| 00:00.08 | holst | :) |
| 00:00.10 | krizx | when i change user, i want to run that user's bashrc file. how can i do this? |
| 00:00.13 | jim | make sure the d is ther |
| 00:00.14 | holst | it feels like 1998 |
| 00:00.22 | jim | raboof: tla! |
| 00:00.25 | l0c4lh0st | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 29 Mar 2 00:47 /usr/src/linux -> linux-headers-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx |
| 00:00.41 | l0c4lh0st | Ah. So that /usrc/src/linux-2.6.*/ is useless? |
| 00:00.42 | krizx | there are two users and their PS1 values are different but when i change user, it continue to use old user's PS1 |
| 00:00.51 | jim | not sure |
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| 00:00.53 | charzero | krizx: Is there a .bash_profile? |
| 00:01.01 | Kiirani | krizx - Changing user using su? |
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| 00:01.05 | krizx | hm no |
| 00:01.09 | raboof | it seems /etc/init.d/hplip disappeared from the hplip package |
| 00:01.10 | krizx | Kiirani, yes |
| 00:01.12 | arooni | is there a cool web-admin (free) for debian etch that allows me to easily install a bunch of software that i commonly install on my servers? |
| 00:01.13 | charzero | su - |
| 00:01.25 | krizx | charzero, yes i use it |
| 00:01.26 | Kiirani | krizx - Hmm. Ah. |
| 00:01.26 | valdyn | raboof: you deleted that file? |
| 00:01.33 | l0c4lh0st | Not sure what to do now, should I remove /usr/src/linux-2.6.*/? |
| 00:01.40 | raboof | valdyn: nope |
| 00:01.40 | jim | arooni: there's lotsa cool stuff |
| 00:01.47 | gravity | arooni: I don't think so |
| 00:01.48 | krizx | ahh |
| 00:01.51 | arooni | l0c4lh0st, examples? |
| 00:01.51 | krizx | okay okay. |
| 00:01.58 | charzero | arooni: dpkg --get-selections, dpkg --set-selections |
| 00:01.58 | Kiirani | krizx - When I installed debian, i modified my /etc/profile to run . /etc/bash.bashrc (which I believe then runs the user's ~/.bashrc) |
| 00:02.02 | arooni | i mean jim |
| 00:02.04 | l0c4lh0st | arooni? |
| 00:02.07 | gravity | arooni: People will tend to do a custom package or some scripting to handle that sort of thing |
| 00:02.07 | l0c4lh0st | ah, okay |
| 00:02.08 | arooni | sorry wrong person |
| 00:02.24 | raboof | valdyn: dpkg -L hplip doesn't show it either |
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| 00:02.35 | raboof | valdyn: neither does packages.debian.org (for testing) |
| 00:02.42 | l0c4lh0st | I think I should remove the /usr/src/linux-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx folder. |
| 00:02.53 | jim | arooni: web interface, not sure if there is one... but there is a set of command-line tools |
| 00:02.59 | valdyn | raboof: i guess thats ok |
| 00:03.03 | krizx | second user's PS1 value doesn't specify specific color and it continue to use last user's last color :) |
| 00:03.11 | raboof | valdyn: idunno, it used to be there :) |
| 00:03.13 | levander | Anybody know a good, about 100MB file I can download from the internet to test internet connectivity here? |
| 00:03.13 | arooni | theres no web interface? |
| 00:03.14 | l0c4lh0st | Would it kill my slug? |
| 00:03.17 | arooni | i mean surely one exists |
| 00:03.26 | gravity | arooni: Why bother with a web interface for such a thing? |
| 00:03.32 | jim | l0c4lh0st: you have to pour salt on a slug to kill it |
| 00:03.34 | valdyn | raboof: initialisation can be done by udev, *maybe* it didnt need udev before, now it does |
| 00:03.35 | petemc | levander: google video |
| 00:03.39 | l0c4lh0st | lol jim :D |
| 00:03.39 | levander | Well, 50-100MB would be good. |
| 00:03.50 | l0c4lh0st | jim: What do you recommend to do then? |
| 00:03.52 | arooni | gravity, cuz i get sick of typing the same commands over and over again |
| 00:03.53 | levander | petemc: I need to download it with wget, so I can see download speed. |
| 00:03.56 | charzero | levander: https://www.peerplace.com/bin/random.bin |
| 00:03.57 | Kiirani | levander - you could download a debian netinst iso? |
| 00:03.59 | l0c4lh0st | I'm pretty worried on breaking it :/ |
| 00:04.04 | gravity | arooni: You need a shell script |
| 00:04.07 | Kiirani | levander - but the debian servers tend to be slow in my experience |
| 00:04.12 | charzero | levander: (you can drop the SSL too) |
| 00:04.14 | jim | l0c4lh0st: it almost seems like it did the right thing |
| 00:04.14 | Vorbote | levander: if you have flash installed speedtest.net is a good option |
| 00:04.18 | Kiirani | levander - so it probably wouldn't help you |
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| 00:04.37 | levander | charzero: Do you know how big that file is? |
| 00:04.39 | l0c4lh0st | Yes indeed, it just couldn't find the modpost program |
| 00:04.55 | jim | is your uname -r == 2.6.18-4-ixp4xx? |
| 00:04.58 | l0c4lh0st | which actually seems to be located in /usr/src/linux/ instead of /usr/src/linux-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx |
| 00:05.08 | raboof | valdyn: you're saying i might not longer need a /etc/init.d/hplip? |
| 00:05.09 | charzero | levander: 10M |
| 00:05.09 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, it is |
| 00:05.13 | l0c4lh0st | 2.6.18-4-ixp4xx |
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| 00:05.25 | levander | Damn, not big enough. I'll test it though, see if I can see anything. |
| 00:05.31 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: on a regular debian system, all needed to build modules is installed via "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 00:05.34 | Kiirani | l0c4lh0st - /usr/src/linux shouldn't be a directory. |
| 00:05.49 | jim | and /usr/src/linux is linked to linux-headers-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx |
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| 00:06.01 | raboof | valdyn: README.Debian.gz still refers to it though :) |
| 00:06.02 | valdyn | raboof: yea |
| 00:06.04 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, jim |
| 00:06.07 | valdyn | raboof: no idea |
| 00:06.08 | jim | that seems to be what it would have wanted... valdyn: you concur? |
| 00:06.11 | l0c4lh0st | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 29 Mar 2 00:47 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx |
| 00:06.44 | valdyn | jim: yes |
| 00:07.08 | jim | which still leaves us at "wtf |
| 00:07.13 | jim | is wrong" |
| 00:07.16 | l0c4lh0st | heh |
| 00:07.16 | valdyn | jim: i dont know how m-a fixes building against the complete source tree automagically, im sure it does some things |
| 00:07.51 | jim | what if we try removing and running the m-a prepare again |
| 00:08.06 | l0c4lh0st | I think I should remove the stuff in /usr/src/linux-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx/ and then make a symlink /usr/src/linux-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx/ to /usr/src/linux |
| 00:08.10 | l0c4lh0st | or is that not a good idea? |
| 00:08.12 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: im at a loss when you keep pasting changed links / files without explaining what you are actually doing |
| 00:08.24 | jim | no, remove the symlink |
| 00:08.30 | jim | then do m-a prepare |
| 00:08.33 | charzero | levander: http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxintelwjre&lang=en-US&version=2.3.1 (120M) |
| 00:08.45 | l0c4lh0st | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 29 Mar 2 00:47 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx <-- Remove that symlink? |
| 00:09.11 | jim | yeah, rm /usr/src/linux |
| 00:09.15 | k111u | why xchat uses my username for my ident? i didnt setted my username anywhere on xchat options, but when someone whois me they see "richard@190...", so i went to #xchat and they told me to come here to see how to edit debian ident server |
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| 00:09.28 | l0c4lh0st | I hope it won't kill the sweet slug :( |
| 00:09.44 | jim | no, it definitely won't hurt it |
| 00:09.46 | l0c4lh0st | And then run m-a prepare |
| 00:09.51 | jim | correct |
| 00:09.53 | l0c4lh0st | Now running |
| 00:09.54 | valdyn | !find mostpost etch |
| 00:09.59 | valdyn | !find modpost etch |
| 00:10.04 | levander | charzero: Thanks, that looks exactly like what I need. |
| 00:10.09 | jim | mostpods! |
| 00:10.27 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mostpost' returned no results. |
| 00:10.31 | l0c4lh0st | Okay it's done, without errors, the create symlink line worked now and didn't give any errors |
| 00:10.43 | l0c4lh0st | The symlink is back now |
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| 00:11.19 | jim | see if the second m-a command works |
| 00:11.32 | l0c4lh0st | m-a a-i rt73? |
| 00:11.34 | l0c4lh0st | Trying now. |
| 00:11.36 | jim | yeah |
| 00:11.49 | k111u | why xchat uses my username for my ident? i didnt setted my username anywhere on xchat options, but when someone whois me they see "richard@190...", so i went to #xchat and they told me to come here to see how to edit debian ident server |
| 00:12.11 | azeem | k111u: please don't cross-post questions across networks |
| 00:12.19 | l0c4lh0st | oh, couldn't create the /usr/src/linux symlink! |
| 00:12.33 | k111u | azeem, what u mean? |
| 00:12.45 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, wait, I need rt73-source |
| 00:12.52 | azeem | k111u: you asked the same question on oftc and here |
| 00:12.54 | l0c4lh0st | I'll remove the symlink again |
| 00:13.03 | k111u | oh i see, and doednt make any sense btw :D |
| 00:13.35 | l0c4lh0st | I hope it won't take that long again... It was building for about half an hour when it suddenly threw that error and stopped |
| 00:13.41 | l0c4lh0st | It's way past bed time for me lol |
| 00:14.19 | l0c4lh0st | (that error = modpost not found error) |
| 00:14.43 | SPF | I replaced my nic, but it's now named eth1. How can I rename it back? |
| 00:14.59 | l0c4lh0st | Build starting... |
| 00:15.06 | valdyn | SPF: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 00:15.22 | l0c4lh0st | It behaves a bit weird btw. It goes to 0%, 3%, 0%, 4%, 10%, *crash* |
| 00:15.28 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: you could just look if the file is there first before wasting time building, if building takes long |
| 00:15.31 | l0c4lh0st | Not sure what it'll do now ^^ |
| 00:16.05 | l0c4lh0st | well it's not... only modpost.c and modpost.h |
| 00:16.09 | SPF | valdyn: thx |
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| 00:17.22 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: where are you looking? the modpost should be in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx/scripts/mod/modpost |
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| 00:18.07 | l0c4lh0st | Well it's building now.. Not sure how to check atm |
| 00:18.16 | valdyn | !multitasking |
| 00:18.20 | valdyn | oo |
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| 00:18.26 | l0c4lh0st | But I do have samba |
| 00:18.31 | l0c4lh0st | so I'll browse through samba |
| 00:18.49 | l0c4lh0st | Hey. It's there. |
| 00:18.50 | l0c4lh0st | Cool. |
| 00:19.03 | l0c4lh0st | So it should actually work now. Or at least get a bit further till the next error. |
| 00:19.17 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: should always have been there, but *maybe* m-a was always looking at the wrong place |
| 00:19.30 | l0c4lh0st | Maybe it will be looking in the wrong place now too. |
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| 00:19.42 | l0c4lh0st | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx' |
| 00:19.54 | l0c4lh0st | You see that? Not /usr/src/linux/ |
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| 00:20.00 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: thats the wrong directory, yea |
| 00:20.20 | jim | is that his headers? |
| 00:20.23 | l0c4lh0st | So I should have made that symlink.. Just to fool the building program |
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| 00:20.44 | l0c4lh0st | /usr/src/linux-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx which points to /usr/src/linux |
| 00:21.04 | jim | ok, now that's just weird :) |
| 00:21.07 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: m-a is being confused by you having _both_ a source tree and a linux-headers package |
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| 00:21.30 | icesword | anyone use sysv-rc |
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| 00:21.33 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, just removing that source tree would do the trick too? |
| 00:21.34 | jim | m-a might feel it owns /usr/src |
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| 00:22.16 | icesword | can someone give me a guide on how to stop unneccessary service on linux |
| 00:22.25 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: "cd /usr/src/; tar xfvz rt73-source; cd linux-headers-$(uname -r); make-kpkg modules-image" is another way, just not using m-a |
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| 00:22.38 | l0c4lh0st | It's still building.. Can't do anything yet o.O |
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| 00:22.43 | icesword | i am using etch now, |
| 00:22.52 | akuwamari | is there any place at USA to asist to a good Debian Course ? |
| 00:22.52 | l0c4lh0st | Or maybe you got a trick to make the build fail? keke |
| 00:22.58 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: this is one horribly slow box to build anything |
| 00:23.03 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, true |
| 00:23.08 | l0c4lh0st | Especially when experimenting |
| 00:23.21 | l0c4lh0st | But luckily I only have to build these drivers once, I hope :) |
| 00:23.30 | jim | akuwamari: more specifically. you want what? |
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| 00:24.04 | icesword | can someone give me a guide on how to stop unneccessary service on linux,just use that sysc-rc |
| 00:24.13 | icesword | sorry,sysv-rrc |
| 00:24.19 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 00:24.19 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 00:24.21 | valdyn | icesword: uninstall the package providing the service |
| 00:24.29 | l0c4lh0st | I wanna thank both valdyn and jim for helping me out this much. :) Without you I wouldn't have come to the point where I actually understand what's going wrong. |
| 00:24.43 | l0c4lh0st | If you're ever in the Netherlands, I'll buy you both a beer. |
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| 00:25.02 | streuner | hm, A'dam would be fine NOW... |
| 00:25.10 | icesword | valdyn, but what is unneccessary to me ,also the dependcies? |
| 00:25.29 | valdyn | !deborphan |
| 00:25.29 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 00:25.43 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, poor thing... It's working so hard, while I *know* it's gonna fail once it's done lol |
| 00:25.50 | jim | l0c4lh0st: understanding things is usually the main goal I have |
| 00:25.59 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, same here :) |
| 00:26.02 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: ctrl-c aborts |
| 00:26.09 | l0c4lh0st | Doesn't respond to that |
| 00:26.19 | akuwamari | jim: my client want to asist to a Debian training from basic to advanced |
| 00:26.36 | jim | what is "asist"? |
| 00:26.54 | akuwamari | classroom |
| 00:27.12 | jim | so he wants to learn? he wants to teach? |
| 00:27.54 | jim | he wants to create the teaching materials? |
| 00:28.13 | akuwamari | no, he wants to learn |
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| 00:28.49 | l0c4lh0st | akuwamari: Then a better word would be: participate |
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| 00:29.09 | jim | ok, the basics are, first he gets used to the shell and shell commands, starting with cat, cd, mkdir, rmdir |
| 00:29.17 | akuwamari | participate? |
| 00:29.36 | jim | oh, and ls |
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| 00:29.42 | l0c4lh0st | and rm ^^ |
| 00:29.53 | Superbartt | rm -rf l0c4lh0st |
| 00:29.54 | Superbartt | nn :w |
| 00:29.54 | jim | rm is way wayy powerful |
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| 00:29.56 | l0c4lh0st | lol |
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| 00:30.17 | jim | plus by default it's not equiv to rm -e |
| 00:30.22 | jim | err rm -i |
| 00:30.27 | l0c4lh0st | Cool. eth0 just quit. :/ |
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| 00:30.39 | l0c4lh0st | And we're still online |
| 00:30.49 | eddd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.57 | jim | must be via the usb? |
| 00:31.18 | wd | how do i take away xdm from rc.d... is it "update-rc.d xdm -f remove" ? |
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| 00:31.52 | jim | wd: or just uninstall xdm |
| 00:32.25 | helo | i just installed from netinst 40r3 onto a p5gx-mx motherboard with a geforce 7300 le. as soon as i rebooted, i get a kernel panic during modprobe... i've tried noapic with no luck... i disabled the onboard video in bios... it seems to be doing intel_i915_configure when it fails... what else might i try? |
| 00:32.50 | wd | jim, apt-get xdm remove ? sorry coming from gentoo world. |
| 00:32.51 | Bushmills | trying to set links2 background to white, in ~/.links2/links.cfg, with "background_color 16777215" (for $FFFFFF) has no effect on the background at all - it remains grey. which is an unlucky contrast with blue links. any idea how to brighten links2 background? |
| 00:33.03 | l0c4lh0st | yay, it's almost failing |
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| 00:33.07 | wd | jim, ooops apt-get remove xdm? |
| 00:33.19 | jim | wd: dpkg --help |
| 00:33.31 | wd | jim, ok |
| 00:33.34 | jim | to see all the neat tricks dpkg can to |
| 00:33.36 | jim | do |
| 00:33.45 | helo | is there any way to keep modprobe from loading the module for the onboard video card? |
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| 00:34.20 | l0c4lh0st | jim: So what I'm thinking of doing, move /usr/src/linux-2.6.*/ to /data/_tmpsrc/, then creating a symlink called linux-2.6.* that points to linux in /usr/src, sounds ok? |
| 00:34.23 | jim | helo: look at /etc/modules |
| 00:35.00 | jim | I wouldn't make that symlink, but everything else seems ok |
| 00:35.15 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, OK, I'll try without the symlink first |
| 00:35.30 | eddd | !ppc |
| 00:35.30 | dpkg | [ppc] is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 00:35.33 | l0c4lh0st | I just thought it'd be a wise plan because in the log it says it goes to /usr/src/linux-2.6.*/ |
| 00:35.40 | Bushmills | oh ... correction .. background_color *has* an effect, just not with links2 -g |
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| 00:35.57 | jim | the .* is weird |
| 00:36.35 | l0c4lh0st | I mean linux-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx by that, but it's a bitch to type that all the time :P |
| 00:37.36 | jim | oh, you want a way to cd there? |
| 00:37.48 | jim | something like a shortcut? |
| 00:38.03 | jim | howbout put the symlink in your ~ |
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| 00:38.26 | l0c4lh0st | If I remember right, that was not a good idea |
| 00:38.37 | l0c4lh0st | Had something to do with the way the Debian NSLU2 was set up |
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| 00:39.13 | jim | well debian is not permitted to touch /home/you |
| 00:40.09 | l0c4lh0st | It seems to go well. Can't wait for it to start building and see what happens. |
| 00:40.36 | helo | jim: there is only 'loop' in /etc/modules |
| 00:40.58 | jim | hmm, so it's not there... |
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| 00:41.13 | l0c4lh0st | Here we go ^^ |
| 00:41.27 | helo | wow... with acpi=off as a boot parameter, i get kernel panic after kernel panic until it hangs trying to print a call trace |
| 00:41.43 | jim | ls -dC /etc/m* > pasteme.txt |
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| 00:42.05 | jim | then upload pasteme.txt to pastebin.de |
| 00:43.12 | helo | note that this box kernel panics on boot... no net access ;) |
| 00:43.19 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, failed again. :< |
| 00:43.26 | jim | same reason? |
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| 00:44.10 | jim | the source is completely moved out of /usr/src and NO symlinks from /usr/src go to it? |
| 00:44.13 | l0c4lh0st | Here's the log: http://rafb.net/p/beucea37.html |
| 00:44.27 | helo | there is an /etc/modprobe.d |
| 00:44.47 | l0c4lh0st | Yep. There's not source in /usr/src |
| 00:44.51 | jim | helo: !! hmm!! what kind of file is that? |
| 00:45.59 | l0c4lh0st | Not sure what to do now o.O |
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| 00:46.21 | jim | ok, |
| 00:46.32 | l0c4lh0st | It can't find /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-ixp4xx/build |
| 00:46.43 | l0c4lh0st | Which makes sense, 'cause it's not there |
| 00:46.56 | l0c4lh0st | ah, kk |
| 00:47.07 | akuwamari | what is the best way to learn Debian? i mean the best docs? because some times in Debian site, the docs are not in order |
| 00:47.08 | l0c4lh0st | build is a symlink to /usr/src/linux-2.6.18-4-blah |
| 00:47.16 | l0c4lh0st | I'll change that to /usr/src/linux |
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| 00:47.24 | l0c4lh0st | I guess that should do the trick |
| 00:47.58 | jim | akuwamari: start by doing those things that I mentioned. Then, have your client explore the files and directories on a new install of the debian, base only. |
| 00:48.09 | jim | after that, it's time to learn the shell. |
| 00:48.52 | jim | and if he's putting in 8-hour days learning this stuff, it's going to take about a month to really get it solid |
| 00:48.58 | l0c4lh0st | I think it's coming together |
| 00:49.31 | l0c4lh0st | Now starting the m-a a-i rt73-source again |
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| 00:49.49 | l0c4lh0st | If it takes very long I can assume it's compiling correctly |
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| 00:52.02 | helo | jim: apparently i need to put "blacklist intel_agp" into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 00:52.06 | SerajewelKS | !nickometer l0c4lh0st |
| 00:52.07 | dpkg | 'l0c4lh0st' is 44.000% lame, serajewelks |
| 00:52.08 | eddd | eciadsl anyone using it? I need help gettig ti to work |
| 00:52.17 | l0c4lh0st | Hey. That's not fair. |
| 00:52.24 | SerajewelKS | :) |
| 00:52.31 | l0c4lh0st | !nickometer SerajewelKS |
| 00:52.32 | dpkg | 'SerajewelKS' is 8.000% lame, l0c4lh0st |
| 00:52.46 | jim | l0c4lh0st: just so you know... none of this should be necessary... it should be: kernel installed.... to build modules: get exact version of kernel, install corresponding headers, install build-essential and module-assistant,,, install the source of the module you want to compile, then use m-a or make-kpkg to build it |
| 00:53.02 | wols_ | tell eddd about anyone |
| 00:53.05 | wols_ | !tell eddd about anyone |
| 00:53.37 | l0c4lh0st | jim: I did all of that |
| 00:53.51 | l0c4lh0st | I think I got on the wrong path when downloading the kernel source |
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| 00:53.59 | jim | s/exact version of kernel/exact version of kernel headers/ |
| 00:54.07 | l0c4lh0st | and well, that symlink kinda spoiled it |
| 00:54.10 | wols_ | jim: for starters, he doesn't use a debian kernel afaik |
| 00:54.16 | eddd | wols_: I use a usb adsl modem, via eciadsl. I would like to know if anyone has experience setting one up? |
| 00:54.17 | l0c4lh0st | I do... |
| 00:54.29 | wols_ | eddd: that is STILL a "anyone question" |
| 00:54.42 | jim | wols: maybe we should pursue that direction in a moment |
| 00:54.47 | l0c4lh0st | Debian etch 2.6.18-4 |
| 00:55.19 | wols_ | oh, arm |
| 00:55.23 | l0c4lh0st | yes |
| 00:55.28 | wols_ | !rm |
| 00:55.28 | dpkg | methinks rm is used to delete a file (syntax: rm <file>), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper 'round unlink(2) RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs) Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release. |
| 00:55.34 | l0c4lh0st | !arm |
| 00:55.34 | dpkg | i heard arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. |
| 00:55.46 | jim | !leg |
| 00:55.47 | l0c4lh0st | Linksys NSLU2, yep, that's my device =) |
| 00:55.49 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: you also use an outdated and xploitable kernel with security holes |
| 00:56.00 | l0c4lh0st | So tell me what I should get instead? |
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| 00:56.20 | tesla | so is dpkg like a information bot ? |
| 00:56.23 | wols_ | Package linux-image-2.6.18-6-ixp4xx |
| 00:56.30 | l0c4lh0st | ah, k |
| 00:56.31 | wols_ | dpkg: what are you? |
| 00:56.31 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:56.36 | jim | dpkg: bot? |
| 00:56.37 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 00:56.37 | l0c4lh0st | I'll get the WLAN driver working first ^^ |
| 00:56.44 | l0c4lh0st | lol! :D |
| 00:56.48 | tesla | right |
| 00:56.57 | tesla | good man. |
| 00:56.59 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: afterwards you will have to do all the work again with the nrew kernel. your choice |
| 00:57.28 | l0c4lh0st | Well then I won't update... I'll look into that this summer or so |
| 00:57.45 | l0c4lh0st | Why would I have to do it all over with the new kernel? |
| 00:57.48 | jim | heh :) updating has you contracting :) |
| 00:57.49 | helo | jim: that did indeed fix it... i guess this mobo doesn't allow disabling the onboard video in bios |
| 00:58.09 | jim | helo: ahh, very good... glad to hear that |
| 00:58.10 | l0c4lh0st | Won't it update that module too? |
| 00:58.19 | l0c4lh0st | the WLAN driver |
| 00:58.26 | jim | if the source is in the right place, it should |
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| 00:58.38 | jim | take a look in /usr/src/modules |
| 00:58.42 | l0c4lh0st | oh it's in the right place now hehe |
| 00:58.44 | jim | is it in there? |
| 00:59.01 | l0c4lh0st | yep it is |
| 00:59.13 | l0c4lh0st | /usr/src/modules/rt73 |
| 00:59.43 | l0c4lh0st | And it's creating a bunch of *.o files ^^ |
| 00:59.47 | jim | so the idea is that if you go to a different kernel later or whenever, you can build a debian package of that module that should work with the new kernel |
| 01:00.15 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, that's cool, I'll write that down... That's something to forget hehe |
| 01:00.20 | holycow | hey guys |
| 01:00.32 | jim | hi |
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| 01:01.48 | holycow | http://www.startech.com/Product/ItemDetail.aspx?productid=USB2VGA2&c=CA |
| 01:01.52 | holycow | usb to vga converter |
| 01:01.56 | jim | if you have more external modules, they will make their way into /usr/src/modules |
| 01:01.57 | holycow | wow i didn't know that existed |
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| 01:02.41 | l0c4lh0st | So basically I don't have to worry when they're in /usr/src/modules? |
| 01:02.44 | holycow | how could one get access to that from a linux desktop? i guess it would be all in the drivers |
| 01:02.50 | holycow | hi jim |
| 01:02.51 | jim | well |
| 01:02.53 | jim | supposedly |
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| 01:03.21 | articpenguin380 | will journal_data_writeback improve speed? |
| 01:03.31 | jim | the thing is that you might later upgrade to some kernel that the module sources won't compile against, and you'll have to replace the ones that won't |
| 01:03.49 | jim | heya rob, what's new? |
| 01:03.55 | holycow | ha, it is our jim! |
| 01:04.01 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, then I'll have to go through this hell again... |
| 01:04.23 | jim | !jim |
| 01:04.24 | dpkg | somebody said jim was jim |
| 01:04.28 | holycow | i'm installing a barracuda spam filter ... it has a vga adapter on it which is cool so i thought to google up if i can access that via an x console or some such |
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| 01:04.46 | nepbabu | !jim (somebody said jim was gym) |
| 01:04.53 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 01:04.57 | jim | oh hey, did you ever get that ssh filter going? |
| 01:05.11 | holycow | remind me again which ssh filter? |
| 01:05.31 | holycow | sorry i've been under rather large worklaod last two weeks i can't remember anything any more |
| 01:05.32 | holycow | :) |
| 01:05.58 | articpenguin380 | do i have to upgrade to lenny or can i install it? |
| 01:05.59 | jim | don';t remember the name, but basically if someone tries to dictionary you or otherwise scan you, it adds firewall rules or something like that |
| 01:06.06 | holycow | oh yes right |
| 01:06.16 | holycow | no i didn't get a chance to figure it out ... i think it was a bug |
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| 01:06.21 | holycow | i will soon tho, i'll let you know |
| 01:06.27 | holycow | you are right i need that setup asap |
| 01:06.32 | nepbabu | !sshban |
| 01:06.36 | l0c4lh0st | btw are the actual Debian developers here too? |
| 01:06.43 | l0c4lh0st | Or are they too l33t to show themselves here :D |
| 01:06.47 | jim | actually yes... some of us |
| 01:06.55 | holycow | jims a dd |
| 01:07.06 | l0c4lh0st | heh, I wish my girlfriend was DD... |
| 01:07.11 | holycow | most dds keep quiet tho, else noobs bug em |
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| 01:07.17 | holycow | see? |
| 01:07.18 | holycow | haha |
| 01:07.21 | holycow | Zine |
| 01:07.29 | helo_ | zeen? |
| 01:07.30 | defi0n | ey-n |
| 01:07.38 | defi0n | z is silent ;p |
| 01:07.39 | holycow | and hello helo_ |
| 01:07.46 | defi0n | hee-lo |
| 01:07.47 | jim | neen? |
| 01:07.48 | holycow | maybe in french |
| 01:07.49 | defi0n | heh-lo |
| 01:07.57 | defi0n | neen = no |
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| 01:08.45 | helo_ | for the longest time i've been saying "ex ein" |
| 01:08.45 | Bushmills | l0c4lh0st: what a real debian developer? one who works on a program which is packaged with debian? |
| 01:08.59 | holycow | man usb to svga adapters ... now how to get that working here |
| 01:09.24 | holycow | dd's are packagers ... they apply patches and ocassionaly debug |
| 01:09.34 | holycow | but if they had to code they wouldn't get any packaging done really |
| 01:09.35 | helo_ | debian package maintainers != upstream developer |
| 01:09.42 | holycow | jim: what is a hammerfall setup? |
| 01:09.44 | jim | have to wait a few days to get the interface card tho |
| 01:09.46 | holycow | i just like the name :) |
| 01:10.01 | articpenguin380 | is it better to use a repo version of a program than compiling the latest version? |
| 01:10.10 | holycow | depends |
| 01:10.11 | holycow | its easier |
| 01:10.15 | helo_ | holycow: when the fbi busts in, you push a button and a hammer falls on your hard drives |
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| 01:10.19 | holycow | and probably well tested an dmore stable |
| 01:10.28 | jim | http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/multifa.htm |
| 01:10.28 | holycow | but if you need a particular feature sometimes you just gotta install |
| 01:10.40 | articpenguin380 | i need gimp 2.4 but etch has 2.2 |
| 01:10.47 | holycow | helo_: oh neat |
| 01:10.57 | holycow | articpenguin380: search abckports first |
| 01:11.02 | helo_ | holycow: heh not really :P |
| 01:11.06 | jim | see if the one you want is backported... if not, build it |
| 01:11.12 | l0c4lh0st | oh this is so exciting... |
| 01:11.15 | l0c4lh0st | It's doing wpa.o now |
| 01:11.15 | holycow | helo_: its a great name for that tho |
| 01:11.19 | l0c4lh0st | It crashed on that one |
| 01:11.23 | l0c4lh0st | Let's see what it does now ^^ |
| 01:11.27 | holycow | jim: interesting |
| 01:11.40 | jim | and I'm getting two of these: |
| 01:11.42 | l0c4lh0st | modpost go go go! |
| 01:12.01 | jim | http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm |
| 01:12.01 | l0c4lh0st | cool, seems it's working :] |
| 01:12.15 | jim | it got past that? |
| 01:12.19 | l0c4lh0st | yes |
| 01:12.23 | jim | great |
| 01:13.02 | jim | so there were names of files, dirs and/or symlinks that were confusing to m-a |
| 01:13.05 | l0c4lh0st | It's now actually entering step 2 :) |
| 01:13.06 | articpenguin380 | can i install ubuntu packages on etch? |
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| 01:13.43 | l0c4lh0st | now it's executing all these weird perl and python commands |
| 01:13.52 | l0c4lh0st | lol this just has to go wrong... |
| 01:14.16 | jim | articpenguin380: wouldn't be very stable, the depend tree is very likely very different, there are better ways |
| 01:15.37 | l0c4lh0st | Ah this is awesome, it's working. |
| 01:15.42 | l0c4lh0st | Should I submit this package to Debian? |
| 01:15.56 | l0c4lh0st | I think it'd be nice for others to use this driver on their slug, isn't it? |
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| 01:16.22 | l0c4lh0st | Setting up rt73-modules-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx (1.0.3.6-cvs20071123-dfsg1-3) ... |
| 01:16.23 | l0c4lh0st | =) |
| 01:16.26 | l0c4lh0st | It's done :D |
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| 01:16.41 | l0c4lh0st | Build time: 1385 seconds <--- And well worth it! :D |
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| 01:17.15 | jim | holycow: I have a box with two mic preamp inputs that get sent to the laptop but linux doesn't support it... the hammerfall setup does support linux and there are enough people saying it works for them under linux to enable me to feel I'll be able to make it work any way I want |
| 01:17.19 | articpenguin380 | to use lenny do i have to upgrade to it? |
| 01:17.28 | rjm | does anyone know why Ctrl+E doesn't change focus to the searchbox like it's supposed to in firefox? |
| 01:17.58 | jim | articpenguin380: if you're using etch, yes. BUT: back up. you CANNOT downgrade. |
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| 01:18.21 | articpenguin380 | then if lenny is unstable then what is sid |
| 01:18.21 | l0c4lh0st | jim: Should I submit the module to Debian? So other NSLU2 users can download it using apt-get? |
| 01:18.22 | jim | make sure you back up your system |
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| 01:18.32 | wols_ | jim: he can. manually. and it's outside of this channel's scope |
| 01:18.39 | jim | articpenguin380: lenny is "testing" |
| 01:18.48 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: no. it already is in debian |
| 01:19.01 | l0c4lh0st | ... Not for this version. |
| 01:19.15 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: this version won't get new packages. it's stable |
| 01:19.21 | jim | l0c4lh0st: btw, is that module working now? |
| 01:19.26 | shamrock | Could someone explain to me how I fix thied? 'Warning: unknown mime-type for "/tmp/crontab.IzDJgG/crontab" -- using "application/*"'. I am issuing "crontab -e" and my TEXTEDIT is set to "myedit" which calls emacs. The problem is that TEXTEDIT is not being picked up to edit a cron - what must I do? |
| 01:19.26 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, it is |
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| 01:19.28 | l0c4lh0st | wlan0 is up |
| 01:19.39 | articpenguin380 | i will just stick with gimp 2.2.13 then |
| 01:19.42 | l0c4lh0st | I just don't get a list of access points yet when doing iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 01:19.49 | l0c4lh0st | But I guess I'll have to configure it a bit more =) |
| 01:19.55 | l0c4lh0st | At least i'm not getting any errors |
| 01:20.18 | jim | l0c4lh0st: sounds like you got yourself a driver. congrats |
| 01:20.26 | l0c4lh0st | Thanks :) My first hehe |
| 01:20.36 | jim | was it worth the time? |
| 01:20.41 | mirror_man | rjm, no, but F6 then tab will get you there |
| 01:20.49 | l0c4lh0st | Yep. Finally got WLAN working on my NSLU2. That's worth it. |
| 01:20.57 | l0c4lh0st | was it worth your time? :P |
| 01:21.26 | jim | well since you can start communicating this to others, and tell them about your experience, yes. |
| 01:22.12 | l0c4lh0st | heh, I see there's another challenge |
| 01:22.22 | l0c4lh0st | This driver doesn't feature WPA |
| 01:22.27 | jim | just be forewarned, that sometimes people will chime in with their best-practices ideas... |
| 01:22.30 | l0c4lh0st | You need to install another driver, the WPA supplicant |
| 01:22.54 | l0c4lh0st | I guess that'll be for tomorrow =) |
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| 01:23.10 | jim | also, you might try this again with nothing in /usr/src to start with |
| 01:23.46 | jim | just so you can see how to get them started without doing -anything- manually, like running ln or mkdir or rm |
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| 01:24.13 | l0c4lh0st | jim: http://pastebin.ca/925135 This is in /usr/src/ now |
| 01:24.46 | simonrvn | *chime* *chime* |
| 01:24.50 | l0c4lh0st | I guess I can remove the 2 bz2 files |
| 01:25.16 | simonrvn | not if a package dropped them there |
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| 01:25.24 | mirror_man | rjm, direct route to search box is Ctrl+k |
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| 01:25.28 | l0c4lh0st | lol |
| 01:25.31 | jim | if you have it set up properly, it should be whatever the download/install time of the headers, build-essential and module-assistant, |
| 01:25.39 | l0c4lh0st | I hope that's not the case... I just removed them xD |
| 01:25.57 | articpenguin380 | if i upgrade to lenny should i backup my data even if i have a seperate /home? |
| 01:25.59 | jim | and add to that whatever the compile time was |
| 01:26.11 | simonrvn | you can always reinstall them |
| 01:26.16 | jim | you could get this down to about 10-30 mins |
| 01:26.28 | akuwamari | i am connecting to a linux server using ftp |
| 01:26.48 | jim | l0c4lh0st: if you like debian and its packaging system, you'll want to keep that system happy |
| 01:27.09 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah |
| 01:27.10 | militant | evenin. question. any progress on ati drivers, since ati's promise to open up? |
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| 01:27.19 | akuwamari | that is a hostng server, but every time i begin the transfer, this close the connection after some seconds |
| 01:27.38 | simonrvn | keeping it happy is how installations last for years and accumulate cruft ;) |
| 01:27.56 | akuwamari | 225 ABOR command successfu |
| 01:28.02 | jim | this generally means: no altering stuff in /usr (but /usr/local is ok), /var and to some extent /etc |
| 01:28.03 | akuwamari | Disconnected from site |
| 01:28.25 | militant | or alternately, does anyone have a favored howto or page on ati cards with debian? |
| 01:28.54 | simonrvn | var you don't really have to touch unless you want to do some maintenance. /etc you touch if you want to configure stuff that debconf hasn't played with |
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| 01:29.18 | lk | does anyone here know much about squid? |
| 01:29.30 | simonrvn | /usr is a bit like /var, but be careful, and /usr/local is what jim said. go play there ;) |
| 01:29.30 | jim | militant: all I know right now, is there are pdfs of the docs for some of the chipsets... I've seen two pdfs; I don't know (but want to know) what they cover |
| 01:29.38 | simonrvn | #squid does i think |
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| 01:30.20 | militant | hmmmm. hopefully something's been done. i've been idling on an xp install for a few months |
| 01:30.20 | simonrvn | {x}stow can help you manage stuff in /usr/local |
| 01:30.28 | l0c4lh0st | Well problem is I put some tarballs in /usr/src to easily unpack them with WinRAR via Samba |
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| 01:30.32 | jim | you'll see files in /etc that say don't edit me because (someprogram) generated me |
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| 01:30.42 | l0c4lh0st | I'll keep in mind what you guys said :) |
| 01:30.48 | simonrvn | debconf usually |
| 01:31.08 | jim | it's your choice of course... but know there is some other way to configure whatever it would be |
| 01:31.14 | simonrvn | akuwamari: can you use something else rsync? |
| 01:31.19 | gene2 | what's the easiest way to make an if statement in bash to check if a certain process is running when you have the PID for it? |
| 01:31.24 | simonrvn | like rsync* |
| 01:31.27 | jim | when you see that DO NOT EDIT sign in the file :) |
| 01:31.49 | akuwamari | simonrvn |
| 01:31.55 | akuwamari | wait, installing |
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| 01:32.12 | jim | gene2: hmm, you could look at ps, you could look in the /proc dir |
| 01:32.22 | simonrvn | you could highlight me *and* say something you know ;) |
| 01:32.44 | gene2 | jim: I'm trying to make a simple if statement, like ps -p $PID then do something |
| 01:32.53 | jim | simonrvn: something you know! |
| 01:33.35 | simonrvn | yes, like that ;) |
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| 01:33.48 | jim | gene2: how would that indicate the process exists? |
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| 01:34.17 | gene2 | that is exactly what i'm saying which test could I use :) |
| 01:34.25 | jim | (I'm not saying it doesn't, but I am asking about the mechanism it uses) |
| 01:34.36 | akuwamari | simonrvn: with rsync i can see remote files? |
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| 01:34.49 | jim | a HA! so that means we're wondering the same thing! |
| 01:35.19 | simonrvn | akuwamari: you want to tranfer files, no? that's what that does. |
| 01:35.21 | akuwamari | wait i will be back |
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| 01:35.26 | gene2 | yep!, there must be something easy to do |
| 01:35.30 | akuwamari | my apache is not running |
| 01:35.39 | akuwamari | i don't know why ? |
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| 01:35.47 | Bushmills | gene2: ps -p 25471 && echo yes |
| 01:35.50 | simonrvn | you don't need apache to use rsync |
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| 01:36.06 | Bushmills | gene2: ps -p 25471 ; if (( $? )) ; then ... |
| 01:36.21 | gene2 | hmm |
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| 01:36.30 | gene2 | how does that work? |
| 01:36.46 | Bushmills | the "if" is reverse. that is, it executes if not |
| 01:37.29 | Bushmills | could do " if (( $? == 0 )) ; then ... |
| 01:37.34 | lk | Is it possible to set a "starter homepage" to direct new connections to on squid? |
| 01:37.53 | ginobvhc | hi people |
| 01:38.03 | ginobvhc | i got some trobble with debian etch |
| 01:38.14 | gene2 | Bushmills: $? produces what last function executed |
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| 01:38.35 | Bushmills | gene2: gives the return value. error, for example. |
| 01:38.46 | Bushmills | usually 0 unless fail |
| 01:38.47 | ginobvhc | when im instaling some app from synaptics like devede my menu dot updaet and my app dont apper |
| 01:38.53 | gene2 | Bushmills: and if the process is up it will not be 0? |
| 01:39.04 | Bushmills | if exists, 0 |
| 01:39.36 | jim | look at man ps |
| 01:39.46 | jim | see what the exit status of ps means |
| 01:39.47 | ginobvhc | hot i do for auto update menu |
| 01:40.02 | lk | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:40.04 | lk | lol |
| 01:40.24 | simonrvn | auto update menu? |
| 01:40.29 | akuwamari | i know, but i am making testin a portal here |
| 01:40.32 | lk | yah |
| 01:40.37 | jim | ginobvhc apt-get install menu |
| 01:40.41 | jim | try that |
| 01:40.56 | jim | then look at the debian menu |
| 01:40.57 | gene2 | hmm anyway i can intergrate it into one statement would be nice. |
| 01:41.00 | ginobvhc | menu is allredy instaled |
| 01:41.03 | simonrvn | that menu? run update-menus with that ^^^ package installed |
| 01:41.24 | simonrvn | (doesn't have to be as root either) |
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| 01:41.58 | Bushmills | gene2: if ! ps -p 25471 ; then echo foo ; fi |
| 01:42.34 | wad | Does anyone have any hints on debugging X code? I'm getting an error from XSetWMProperties() and I'm at a loss how to diagnose it. |
| 01:42.44 | gene2 | that sounds right, so "!" will take care of it? |
| 01:42.56 | Bushmills | gene2: reverses condition |
| 01:44.11 | jim | well see what you have to understand is that normal exit status that would be fed to if is "zero means success" |
| 01:44.32 | ginobvhc | where i cand find the lastest version of dvdstyler to install |
| 01:44.33 | jim | for example... |
| 01:45.16 | lk | is there a way to install a gui and fowarding that gui or x with only shell access? |
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| 01:45.35 | jim | if grep -q somepattern somefile ; then echo "somepattern IS in somefile"; else echo "somepattern IS NOT in somefile"; fi |
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| 01:45.42 | jim | so... |
| 01:45.55 | jim | notice I do not say !grep instead of grep |
| 01:46.08 | gene2 | tBushmills: thanks, let me try |
| 01:46.14 | jim | because grep returns 0 if a match was successfully found |
| 01:46.22 | Bushmills | lk: the "gui" as in "programs producing graphical output" or as in "program to display graphical output"? |
| 01:46.22 | jim | understand all that? |
| 01:46.31 | Bushmills | lk: but, yes. |
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| 01:47.17 | lk | well |
| 01:47.26 | lk | i want the affect of just connecting with vnc |
| 01:47.30 | lk | without having the machine rendering it |
| 01:47.42 | lk | anywhere but the cli |
| 01:47.46 | lk | that it's accessed from |
| 01:47.55 | Bushmills | lk,sorry, i don't understand |
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| 01:48.26 | lk | can i install gnome from only ssh then use gnome by fowarding x? |
| 01:48.37 | Bushmills | lk, yes |
| 01:48.47 | lk | how? |
| 01:49.06 | Bushmills | aptitude install graphicalstuff |
| 01:49.25 | lk | so apt-get install gnome |
| 01:49.28 | lk | ? |
| 01:49.30 | lk | then? |
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| 01:49.32 | Bushmills | for example. |
| 01:49.33 | lk | how do i access it? |
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| 01:50.00 | jim | lk: you should read man X (note capital X) after he's done explaining |
| 01:50.36 | Bushmills | you ssh, with x forwarding, or -X or -Y from commandline if not set up, and you run graphical stuff. if remote is on your LAN, you may want to consider connecting to remote through the display manager. |
| 01:50.36 | lk | yeah thanks, do you understand what i'm trying to do though |
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| 01:50.41 | militant | jim: i rejoined just to say, i'm highly impressed. ati's closed installer did a fantastic job. i know i know, closed drivers blah blah, but i wanted to test it,a nd it's actually pretty damn good. just fyi |
| 01:51.00 | jim | cool :) |
| 01:51.22 | jim | I think the new drivers will be around shortly |
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| 01:51.42 | jim | I still don't know which chipsets they released info about |
| 01:51.52 | lk | can i get a gui without having to plug a monitor into the machine? |
| 01:51.57 | grendal_prime | how long before lenny goes stable?http://www.google.com/linux |
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| 01:52.06 | lk | i want to access the machine running the gui remotely |
| 01:52.07 | grendal_prime | weird |
| 01:52.10 | militant | well. fantastic on the install and getting up and running. i'm still getting serious choppy garbage when i move windows and such. at least it cleaned up the resolution and such |
| 01:52.20 | jim | lk: yes |
| 01:52.26 | Bushmills | lk: no monitor at the machine you're sitting behind? |
| 01:53.22 | jim | that's like a headless horseman without arms, legs, chest, abdomen, back or feet! |
| 01:53.30 | lk | Bushmills: Server: (I want to run gnome on but not be running it with access locally) My laptop: (I want to access server gui via ssh and x fowarding in putty) |
| 01:53.59 | grendal_prime | xforwading in putty? |
| 01:54.04 | lk | so the server isn't wasting resources locally for the gui |
| 01:54.04 | jim | lk: read that man X soon :) |
| 01:54.09 | amphi | lk: you need a local X server for x forwarding like that to work |
| 01:54.11 | Bushmills | lk: i don't know about putty. if windows putty, you may have a problem finding a decent x server for windows. for linux, use ssh instead. |
| 01:54.14 | grendal_prime | you would have to have the x11 libs on your windoes machine |
| 01:54.33 | militant | wow... this is actually abominable. oh god this is going to suck. it takes it about a second to redraw the window... just scooting a terminal around |
| 01:54.38 | grendal_prime | i would think you could use cygwin.. |
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| 01:55.01 | jim | yes |
| 01:55.02 | lk | can i get a step by step? |
| 01:55.13 | jim | step one, read man X |
| 01:55.16 | jim | :) |
| 01:55.19 | lk | hey |
| 01:55.24 | grendal_prime | lk how about vnc? |
| 01:55.24 | jim | start there, so you know what's happening |
| 01:55.32 | Bushmills | lk: start with a small x program |
| 01:55.39 | Bushmills | lk just run that one remote |
| 01:55.42 | remirokosa1 | okay it's lk here |
| 01:55.46 | grendal_prime | lk why do you need to do this? |
| 01:55.47 | Bushmills | lk rest is about the same. just more stuff. |
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| 01:56.03 | remirokosa1 | i want a portable desktop |
| 01:56.17 | grendal_prime | on a windows box? |
| 01:56.21 | jim | I think you can use cardboard for that... |
| 01:56.23 | remirokosa1 | without using resources locally on the server |
| 01:56.28 | remirokosa1 | yes |
| 01:56.32 | grendal_prime | just use vnc |
| 01:56.33 | remirokosa1 | i don't want to use vnc |
| 01:56.36 | remirokosa1 | lol |
| 01:56.41 | trentster | hey all, can someone tell me why this command is not logging to the file I specified " tail -f /var/log/auth.log | grep "Accepted password for root" >> /tmp/test.txt " |
| 01:56.41 | grendal_prime | weird |
| 01:56.42 | remirokosa1 | poor performance |
| 01:56.47 | jim | seriously... you going to read that? |
| 01:56.55 | grendal_prime | not really |
| 01:56.59 | remirokosa1 | man X? |
| 01:57.08 | grendal_prime | or you could look into freenx |
| 01:57.09 | jim | yes |
| 01:57.14 | grendal_prime | ive used it its hella fast |
| 01:57.18 | SerajewelKS | why does "compose+_ A" produce ª instead of Ā? |
| 01:57.21 | remirokosa1 | vnc? |
| 01:57.24 | grendal_prime | its made to do what your talking about |
| 01:57.25 | remirokosa1 | prolly locally |
| 01:57.38 | remirokosa1 | anything slower = epic fail |
| 01:57.52 | grendal_prime | remirokosa1: it has alot of the libs required on the windows box |
| 01:57.59 | grendal_prime | hold on |
| 01:58.10 | SerajewelKS | _A -> ª _E -> Ē _I -> Ī _O -> º _U -> Ū |
| 01:58.32 | SerajewelKS | for some reason, _A and _O work incorrectly |
| 01:58.39 | jim | see there are holes in your basic understanding of how X works, the man page will explain it well to you, and then you'll understand much better and can hold conversations with people that won't waste time |
| 01:59.08 | grendal_prime | http://nomachine.com/documentation/html/intr-technology.html |
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| 01:59.41 | jim | notice I don't really want to help otherwise |
| 01:59.44 | grendal_prime | remirokosa1: http://nomachine.com/documentation/html/intr-technology.html |
| 01:59.52 | grendal_prime | i have used that several times it is very fast |
| 02:00.14 | grendal_prime | there is a free version of it called freenx and there are even packages for debian. |
| 02:00.55 | grendal_prime | as far as remote desktop goes on a windows machine it is the simplest and fastest solution i have seen..uses compression and also localizes alot of libs on the windows machine |
| 02:01.04 | Bushmills | trentster: probably because of output buffering. consider to use logtail periodically instead. |
| 02:01.39 | grendal_prime | where is the damn time table on debian releases |
| 02:01.45 | grendal_prime | i can never find it when i need it |
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| 02:02.52 | trentster | Bushmills: could you elaborate with an example |
| 02:04.45 | Bushmills | trentster: i think grepping tail -f output will produce output only when a certain amount of logged data has been produces, in blocks of x bytes. a program logtail will show, when executed, the portion added to a file since last invocation. which is greppable. |
| 02:04.49 | jim | could you exemplify without an elaboration? |
| 02:04.53 | Bushmills | logtail logfile | grep ... |
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| 02:05.53 | Bushmills | a rube goldberg scheme would be to execute logtail thorugh inotify. |
| 02:05.54 | akuwamari | i have problems with apache |
| 02:05.55 | trentster | Bushmills: thanks, just looked for logtail, my package manager says its "(deprecated)" |
| 02:05.56 | akuwamari | http://www.pastebin.ca/925170 |
| 02:06.37 | jim | apache works by looking at the name given in the http:// |
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| 02:07.17 | jim | that name must resolve to an IP |
| 02:09.43 | jaggz- | My new install reboots over and over. before seeing grub. I tried lilo too -- same thing... it's sda and sdb, on a raid-1 |
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| 02:12.04 | akuwamari | for some reason the logs directory was deleted, but i don't know how? |
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| 02:12.36 | jim | can't help ya there |
| 02:12.45 | varney | how long does it normally take to write a debian live usb image? i'm using dd here and so far its taking about 10 minutes. |
| 02:12.53 | Bushmills | akuwamari: logrotate, possibly. set ServerName in your apache config. |
| 02:13.04 | jim | show the dd line |
| 02:13.20 | varney | dd if=c:\debian-live-etch-i386-standard.img of=\\.\d: |
| 02:13.43 | Bushmills | oh. log *dir*. that's not logrotate. |
| 02:13.44 | jim | what are you running that on? |
| 02:13.50 | varney | windows |
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| 02:14.23 | varney | writing to my 1GB flash drive |
| 02:14.43 | jim | that will probably take awhile :) |
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| 02:15.08 | varney | the img file is only 93MB |
| 02:15.16 | varney | that long |
| 02:15.17 | varney | ? |
| 02:15.54 | jim | oh, dunno |
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| 02:16.08 | jim | probably take less than writing a gig would |
| 02:16.26 | varney | i have a feeling it's not going to work anyway :( |
| 02:16.33 | wd | what's the lightest wm with single mouse click menu? it's for a VERY old laptop. |
| 02:16.35 | varney | work = boot |
| 02:16.40 | jim | why on a usb stick? |
| 02:16.49 | amphi | wd: openbox is pretty light |
| 02:16.52 | jim | do you have other options? |
| 02:17.29 | jim | fvwm2 is light |
| 02:17.38 | jim | I guess it's called fvwm now |
| 02:17.41 | varney | i just want a quick usb boot of debian, never used it b4, and i don't fancy burning cds to try them out |
| 02:18.06 | varney | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 02:18.13 | jim | it would be one cd, about 150mb |
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| 02:18.18 | anto | hi |
| 02:18.37 | anto | i am having trouble playing wmv movies files with kmplayer..maybe im missing codecs |
| 02:18.40 | jim | and you'd be installing |
| 02:18.45 | anto | how can install these codecs? |
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| 02:18.50 | anto | can i apt-get? |
| 02:18.59 | wd | amphi, jim .. ok. someone told me fvwm is 90% liter than fluxbox.. wow. |
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| 02:19.12 | amphi | anto: ffmpeg should do for most wmv, I think |
| 02:19.13 | jim | varney: what are you hoping you'll find in debian? |
| 02:19.27 | anto | ok..i shall try that |
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| 02:19.39 | anto | is there a general win32 codecs package? |
| 02:19.43 | varney | according to #linux it's 'the sh*t', i was trying puppylinux and the mouse kept freezing |
| 02:20.00 | jim | well yeah, debian is good |
| 02:20.03 | varney | i also heard CentOS is great for a server |
| 02:20.16 | jim | is that what you're after? a server? |
| 02:20.18 | varney | so i'm trying Debian first |
| 02:20.24 | varney | not really a server |
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| 02:20.34 | varney | i already have a server with Fedora on it |
| 02:20.54 | jim | oh, ok. so you're not new to linux, just to debian |
| 02:20.59 | varney | i asked could i make a mini usb install of Fedora, and was told Fedora has its own problems |
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| 02:21.12 | varney | so i thought i'd try Debian |
| 02:21.21 | varney | ah, dd is finished |
| 02:21.27 | varney | time to try booting :) |
| 02:21.30 | jim | cool :) |
| 02:21.56 | varney | brb |
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| 02:22.03 | jim | why when I try to boot... I find it doesn't rhyme with foot? |
| 02:22.26 | nevyn | that's correct. |
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| 02:22.38 | nevyn | it ryms wiht moot. or scoot. |
| 02:22.51 | jim | or toot1 |
| 02:22.56 | jim | or toot! |
| 02:23.01 | nevyn | indeed. whoot. |
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| 02:23.10 | anto | .quit |
| 02:23.10 | jim | RUTE |
| 02:23.13 | frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.18 | jim | oops :) |
| 02:23.43 | nevyn | frog: you're missing bits of latex byt the look of things |
| 02:25.16 | frog | i have also tried to reinstall with aptitude, but keep getting these errors. can i fix it with aptitude? |
| 02:26.29 | jim | do you have a log of when you were installing and what it said after you installed each thing? |
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| 02:27.24 | wad | My C code has this line: #include <X11/extensions/XShm.h> |
| 02:27.30 | wad | Where can I find man pages for these functions? |
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| 02:30.09 | mohamed_ | hello all, i installed ubuntu server on old pc and adjust it well but when i reboot i get error message " kernel panic - not syncing : vfs : unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) " anyone can help me fix this ? |
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| 02:30.22 | craigevil | !ubuntu |
| 02:30.22 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 02:30.27 | EmuzMan | Hey |
| 02:31.30 | amphi | wad: apropos xshm turns up a few |
| 02:32.09 | ccvp | بارک اوباما زندگی ندارد چون او آفریقایی است بارک اوباما زندگی ندارد چون او آفریقایی است |
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| 02:36.55 | godling|laptop | When I plug my iPod into the USB port of my laptop, the icon does not show up on the desktop. My iPod detects the connection and begins its "Do not connect" thing, so I am assuming the USB port is working, however the output of lsusb shows no new device. |
| 02:38.44 | ccvp | you know whats pathetic, american kids know 26 symbols by usually when their 4 years old. . . . . . the alpha bet, but in china they know up to 3,500 by when their 4-5 years old..........and you wonder why technology jobs are hot there, and they pop out PHD's all the time, the chinese thought process is cognitive intensive at an early age. |
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| 02:39.11 | amphi | ipods are evil ;) |
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| 02:39.27 | jim | what are the k6 2.6.18 kernels for etch? |
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| 02:40.07 | jim | ccvp: aha. so their heads are so full of symbols they can't think of anything else? |
| 02:40.24 | godling|laptop | amphi: Are you superstitious? |
| 02:40.36 | amphi | extremely |
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| 02:40.50 | amphi | I never walk under black cats, for example |
| 02:41.21 | jim | do you let black cats walk under you? |
| 02:41.35 | amphi | of course |
| 02:42.02 | ccvp | well think about it when your 5 years old, how well the cognitive abilities are to be able to distinguish visually between thirty-five hundred symbols, compared to 26...thats a big learning gap |
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| 02:42.48 | jim | ccvp: so you're trying to say they're smarter |
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| 02:43.16 | godling|laptop | amphi: Do you think iPods bear souls? |
| 02:43.22 | jim | or their eyes are better |
| 02:45.05 | anom01y | a |
| 02:45.30 | anom01y | f |
| 02:45.31 | jim | anyway... I want the 2.6.18 kernel from debian that works on: |
| 02:45.34 | jim | model name : AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor |
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| 02:46.39 | amphi | godling|laptop: 'souls'? |
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| 02:48.02 | godling|laptop | amphi: a spirit, or other such phenomena common to many religions, which essentially act as a gauge of morality. |
| 02:48.07 | ccvp | wtf, why is there a horizontal red line, in my xchat client? that is just ......there? |
| 02:48.08 | godling|laptop | amphi: If they have souls, they can be evil. |
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| 02:48.33 | amphi | evil does not require such fictions |
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| 02:48.41 | godling|laptop | amphi: They could also be evil if you are fetishistic and believe in magic. You said you were superstitious. |
| 02:49.03 | godling|laptop | Do you believe they stamp the iPods with evil marks during the fabrication process? |
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| 02:49.17 | jim | and you could be evil if they are fetishistic? |
| 02:49.26 | nepbabu | !offtopic |
| 02:49.26 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 02:49.33 | godling|laptop | Perhaps I cannot detect my iPod because it has cast a hoodoo on my machine. :) |
| 02:49.55 | godling|laptop | Quick, I need a chicken bone and some graveyard dirt. |
| 02:49.58 | godling|laptop | ;P |
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| 02:51.21 | godling|laptop | amphi: I'm only joking with you. |
| 02:51.39 | amphi | godling|laptop: I hope |
| 02:52.39 | godling|laptop | Anyways, any ideas why lsusb wouldn't report my connected iPod? |
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| 02:56.50 | simonrvn | check dmesg |
| 02:56.55 | godling|laptop | ah, it shows up in /dev and i can mount it |
| 02:58.34 | godling|laptop | in dmesg there are reports of when I connected it to one usb port, disconnected it, then reconnected it to a different one. It detects it as a 60gb scsi removable disk. |
| 02:58.57 | simonrvn | should be mountable via pmount |
| 02:59.14 | simonrvn | just pmount /dev/sdwhatever |
| 02:59.16 | godling|laptop | Then there's that Buffer I/O error that always happens, which I don't understand but that's besides the issue. |
| 02:59.27 | godling|laptop | I've mounted it manually just now. |
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| 03:00.28 | simonrvn | didn't unmount it properly before? |
| 03:00.38 | godling|laptop | Shouldn't an iPod icon appear on my desktop nearly as soon as it is plugged in? |
| 03:00.48 | simonrvn | some stuff you still have to do sync; pumount blah |
| 03:02.02 | godling|laptop | I don't think that's got anything to do with it, simonrvn. On my other machine I disconnect it all the time without properly ejecting it (when I haven't done any writing/reading to/from it) and an icon still appears on my desktop the next time I plug it in. |
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| 03:02.15 | akuwamari | when i start debian it plays sound at start |
| 03:02.26 | simonrvn | i wasn't talking about that |
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| 03:02.40 | godling|laptop | oh, the buffer errors |
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| 03:02.57 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:02.57 | godling|laptop | that happens all the time, no matter if I eject it or not. |
| 03:02.57 | akuwamari | but when i try to listen music in XMMS "Your sound card is not configured, then i ps -aux | grep esd" |
| 03:03.02 | akuwamari | and kill that |
| 03:03.16 | akuwamari | then i can hear music |
| 03:03.22 | simonrvn | you can do killall esd |
| 03:03.42 | simonrvn | esd hogs the sound device, hence having to kill it |
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| 03:04.18 | akuwamari | but |
| 03:04.20 | akuwamari | why? |
| 03:04.51 | akuwamari | is there any way i don't have to kill every time ? |
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| 03:05.55 | jim | esd isn't very enlightened... |
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| 03:08.53 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: You can stop esd from running at startup by using the sysv-rc-conf utility |
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| 03:09.20 | akuwamari | but what is esd? |
| 03:09.25 | akuwamari | why Debian load it? |
| 03:09.30 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: enlightenment sound daemon |
| 03:09.50 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: because you installed it. |
| 03:10.13 | godling|laptop | Do you remember choosing between esd and aRts? |
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| 03:10.59 | akuwamari | hummmm |
| 03:11.03 | akuwamari | no |
| 03:11.09 | jaggz- | I can't stand linux's uncooperative sound |
| 03:11.15 | akuwamari | what happen if i uninstall ? |
| 03:11.28 | jim | !find sysv-rc-conf |
| 03:11.32 | dpkg | sysv-rc-conf: (SysV init runlevel configuration tool for the terminal), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.99-6 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 03:11.42 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: If you uninstall it then any applications that depend on it will probably be uninstalled as well. But, you can always reinstall it later. So give it a shot. |
| 03:11.58 | akuwamari | damm |
| 03:12.03 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: You can try disabling it first and see if anything is infected. |
| 03:12.07 | godling|laptop | *affected |
| 03:12.40 | akuwamari | where is sysv-rc-conf |
| 03:13.08 | godling|laptop | it's a terminal utility |
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| 03:13.15 | godling|laptop | su to root and type sysv-rc-conf |
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| 03:14.15 | jim | or use update-rc.d |
| 03:14.19 | godling|laptop | if you uncheck a box it will prevent that service from autostarting when the specified runlevel is initiated |
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| 03:19.41 | akuwamari | godling|laptop: i run sysv-rc-conf, but i can't see esd running |
| 03:20.04 | akuwamari | but with ps is there |
| 03:20.14 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: There's more than one screen, did you hit ctrl-n? |
| 03:20.37 | akuwamari | wait |
| 03:21.15 | akuwamari | yeah |
| 03:21.24 | godling|laptop | yeah what? |
| 03:21.34 | godling|laptop | Did you find it? |
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| 03:24.05 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:24.07 | akuwamari | no man |
| 03:24.10 | akuwamari | is no there |
| 03:24.12 | Nyle | !seen jetscreamer |
| 03:24.12 | dpkg | jetscreamer <n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10h 13m 38s ago, saying: 'i don't know what tree is but i know you don't need it for that'. |
| 03:25.17 | amphi | heh |
| 03:25.20 | akuwamari | pstree show esd too |
| 03:25.40 | Nyle | I talked to jetscreamer today |
| 03:25.46 | Nyle | blew my friggin' mind |
| 03:26.05 | Nyle | hey amphi |
| 03:26.09 | amphi | pon |
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| 03:26.33 | Nyle | amphi: what do you think so far? |
| 03:26.50 | amphi | so far? |
| 03:26.54 | Nyle | amphi: company name is not final yet, plus content isn't finish, but design is good so far? |
| 03:26.54 | amphi | think? |
| 03:26.59 | Nyle | amphi: /notice |
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| 03:27.38 | amphi | ah, I had ignored th' immortal window |
| 03:27.50 | akuwamari | godling|laptop: any idea ? |
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| 03:28.29 | articpenguin380 | why does my system time revert an hour every boot? |
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| 03:28.51 | amphi | Nyle: you got a support tartlet? |
| 03:29.07 | Nyle | tartlet? |
| 03:29.18 | Nyle | dude ffs, speak simple english I don't understnad these big words |
| 03:29.40 | et | articpenguin380: sounds like a DST issue |
| 03:29.42 | amphi | yeah, it looks ok, I think |
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| 03:29.56 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: check the sound configuration dialogs for your desktop environment. |
| 03:30.07 | nevyn | amphi: is that support in exchange for small deserts or small wenches? |
| 03:30.39 | articpenguin380 | how do i fix dst? |
| 03:30.56 | amphi | nevyn: a wenchlet who proffers 'support' |
| 03:30.58 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: If esd doesn't show up there, then it's probably being loaded when X starts up, which means you should be able to disable it within X. |
| 03:31.13 | godling|laptop | articpenguin380: That's a loaded question. |
| 03:31.23 | akuwamari | well |
| 03:31.27 | akuwamari | i made a test |
| 03:31.39 | Nyle | proffer? |
| 03:31.42 | Nyle | wenchlet? |
| 03:31.55 | Nyle | seriously im gonna start ignoring you from now on |
| 03:31.59 | godling|laptop | Use a freaking dictionary, hippy. |
| 03:32.07 | Nyle | I refuse to do that |
| 03:32.16 | godling|laptop | Then you're a moron. |
| 03:32.19 | akuwamari | in the sounds options is a check mark to Activate sound mixer by software (ESD) |
| 03:32.24 | Nyle | I have a rather extensive vocabulary, but I don't try to sound smart on irc. |
| 03:32.33 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: Is it checked? |
| 03:32.42 | godling|laptop | Nyle: You're succeeding. |
| 03:32.44 | akuwamari | that check mark is active. If i deactivate, the xmms play music ok |
| 03:32.52 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: Then uncheck it. |
| 03:32.58 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: Problem solved. |
| 03:32.59 | akuwamari | but sounds no play |
| 03:33.00 | godling|laptop | :) |
| 03:33.05 | Nyle | godling|laptop: great, feel free to get the fuck off my dick anytime. |
| 03:33.07 | Nyle | thanks. |
| 03:33.21 | akuwamari | i mean sound for events |
| 03:33.49 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: Have you tried configuring XMMS to use ESD? |
| 03:33.54 | amphi | Nyle: you seem to be in a good humour ;) |
| 03:34.02 | godling|laptop | Apparently. |
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| 03:34.21 | hooya | slime seems broken. looking for 'unique-directory-name' that seems to be undefined. |
| 03:34.33 | Nyle | amphi: I just pick on ya man, I know what you're talking about most of the times :) |
| 03:35.06 | akuwamari | godling|laptop: no |
| 03:35.14 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: Try it. |
| 03:35.15 | amphi | Nyle: I hope so - don't make me say 'infundibuliform' |
| 03:35.50 | godling|laptop | Flummery is a good word, as well (also applicable to the situation). |
| 03:35.57 | Nyle | amphi: I sigh at your feeble attempts to befuddle me |
| 03:36.05 | akuwamari | ok |
| 03:36.33 | Nyle | amphi: *sigh* |
| 03:36.35 | amphi | ;) |
| 03:36.38 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:36.49 | godling|laptop | akuwamari: It's probably trying to use ALSA which isn't working because ESD is hoarding the sound card. |
| 03:37.08 | akuwamari | ok |
| 03:37.12 | akuwamari | thanks |
| 03:37.15 | godling|laptop | np |
| 03:37.19 | Nyle | vmware is stupid in the sense that it uses /dev/dsp directly instead of alsa |
| 03:37.21 | Nyle | what a stupid thing to do |
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| 03:38.10 | Nyle | amphi: all of a sudden my compiz dont' work |
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| 03:40.17 | amphi | Nyle: that's a bummer, man |
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| 03:41.29 | Nyle | amphi: mind if I do a jay? |
| 03:41.37 | amphi | heh |
| 03:41.46 | jim | doojay bloojay |
| 03:42.55 | Nyle | amphi: you can't come in here... this ... is .. a private residence... man |
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| 03:43.20 | amphi | we belief in nussing |
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| 03:53.49 | man_in_shack | i just noticed my locale in xterms says "POSIX", whereas my locale in tty* terminals says "en_AU.UTF-8" |
| 03:54.04 | man_in_shack | does X have a separate locale setting? |
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| 04:01.17 | Nyle | fuck fuckity fuck |
| 04:01.25 | Nyle | im getting irritated |
| 04:01.27 | man_in_shack | having a good day? |
| 04:01.31 | Nyle | man |
| 04:01.35 | Nyle | I dunno wtf happened |
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| 04:01.41 | man_in_shack | what broke? |
| 04:01.45 | Nyle | but I think was way too fucking high when I was doing stuff to my etch box |
| 04:01.52 | Nyle | its not a lenny box. |
| 04:01.55 | holycow | lol |
| 04:01.55 | man_in_shack | ahhh |
| 04:01.58 | Nyle | I have no fucking idea how it happened. |
| 04:01.59 | man_in_shack | see, i don't do drugs ;) |
| 04:02.02 | Nyle | like seriously |
| 04:02.10 | man_in_shack | what did you break then? |
| 04:02.13 | Nyle | nothing |
| 04:02.21 | Nyle | I can't break nothing I ccan't handle |
| 04:02.24 | Nyle | even on sid |
| 04:02.28 | man_in_shack | fun |
| 04:02.34 | Nyle | but still.. I totally had a brain fart |
| 04:02.40 | man_in_shack | openoffice.org is installable again in unstable |
| 04:02.47 | man_in_shack | 2.4.0rc2 |
| 04:02.52 | godling|laptop | weee |
| 04:03.16 | Nyle | its now* a lenny box |
| 04:03.22 | Nyle | s/not/now |
| 04:03.36 | man_in_shack | ah |
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| 04:03.43 | Nyle | I think logged into the wrong box |
| 04:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | take some more drugs and it will look ok again |
| 04:03.51 | Nyle | drugs? |
| 04:03.57 | Nyle | w/e man i dont' do drugs |
| 04:04.07 | pipeline | man_in_shack: locale is just an environment variable. Hard to say where that's being set for you. |
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| 04:07.20 | Nyle | kinda gettin tired of debian |
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| 04:07.28 | Nyle | and linux in general |
| 04:07.36 | muddd | ? |
| 04:07.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | good, go to windows |
| 04:07.42 | Nyle | i think im gonna buy a mac |
| 04:07.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | that never gets boring |
| 04:07.52 | defi0n | freebsd means the shit to me |
| 04:07.54 | man_in_shack | pipeline, i want to know why it seems to be different in X and in normal terminals |
| 04:08.05 | Nyle | just for the hell o fit |
| 04:08.08 | Nyle | just to have a mac |
| 04:08.13 | godling|laptop | good for you |
| 04:08.35 | defi0n | nah linux is very good maybe just take more short breaks |
| 04:09.00 | jim | macs and macos are -the- platform for professional music and audio, so maybe that's a good choice for you |
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| 04:09.14 | Nyle | jim: thats another reason for considering a mac |
| 04:09.27 | defi0n | Vmware, mm? |
| 04:09.28 | Nyle | i've been looking at some recording software and music studios |
| 04:09.39 | Nyle | defi0n: you can make vmware run mac os x? |
| 04:09.41 | Nyle | wow |
| 04:09.41 | jim | certain pro audio hardware won't connect to anything else |
| 04:09.47 | defi0n | dunno ;p |
| 04:09.52 | defi0n | probably right |
| 04:10.07 | jim | you mean like logic? |
| 04:10.21 | defi0n | logitech sucks no |
| 04:10.23 | jim | as far as recording software that is |
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| 04:10.46 | defi0n | hehe how could a mac be the superior audio and video composing tool |
| 04:10.57 | Nyle | excuse me? |
| 04:11.10 | jim | yeah, how could it? let's see... you can't connect anything else to a Nieve |
| 04:11.13 | Nyle | defi0n: obviously you are not a golfer *amphi* |
| 04:11.16 | Nyle | ehehe |
| 04:11.21 | defi0n | oh |
| 04:11.39 | defi0n | lol |
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| 04:12.39 | Nyle | is it sunday already? |
| 04:12.42 | Nyle | wtf is going on? |
| 04:13.04 | defi0n | must be my flux capicators, ehh |
| 04:13.37 | defi0n | 10pm here |
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| 04:13.42 | defi0n | saturday |
| 04:13.49 | Nyle | central eh |
| 04:13.55 | Nyle | where abouts? |
| 04:14.01 | defi0n | yess |
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| 04:14.32 | defi0n | eastern Mexico |
| 04:14.38 | Nyle | im very irritable tonight |
| 04:14.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !irritate Nyle |
| 04:14.47 | dpkg | Nyle: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde kk |
| 04:14.53 | Nyle | I better go off irc before i go on a rant again |
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| 04:15.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | a pure genious wrote that irritate thing |
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| 04:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/ou/u/ |
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| 04:16.20 | jim | geniousity |
| 04:16.27 | defi0n | c/ |
| 04:16.29 | defi0n | c/dos |
| 04:16.32 | defi0n | c/dos/run |
| 04:16.39 | jim | run dos run |
| 04:16.46 | defi0n | oh yeah that was it |
| 04:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | dos is dead |
| 04:16.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... probably already runny |
| 04:17.01 | jim | long live ross |
| 04:17.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ui, just typed sco instead of scp |
| 04:17.52 | RULON | im new on debian, im using xfce, and i need to know wich is the best image viewer, and the aptitude prompt to install it :) |
| 04:18.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | "the best" |
| 04:18.18 | jim | RULON: there are two steps to find out the answer to your question |
| 04:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no 2 is man aptitude? |
| 04:18.44 | jim | nope :) |
| 04:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok... in this case |
| 04:19.01 | jim | well if he wants the steps... |
| 04:19.06 | jim | he will have to ask for them |
| 04:19.19 | jim | and better faster... I'm getting hungry |
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| 04:19.46 | RULON | i dont understand what u guys mean |
| 04:19.53 | jim | RULON: there are two steps to find out the answer to your question |
| 04:20.06 | jim | what part of that don't you understand? :) |
| 04:20.30 | RULON | i dont know the steps... could u tell me the steps :) |
| 04:20.39 | jim | step one... |
| 04:20.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooh, I know the best picture viewer!!1 |
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| 04:20.54 | jim | get a list of all image viewers |
| 04:20.57 | muddd | oops, uninstalled apt |
| 04:21.06 | jim | step two... |
| 04:21.15 | jim | for each image viewer in your list... |
| 04:21.19 | jim | !installit |
| 04:21.19 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 04:21.26 | jim | and try it! |
| 04:21.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | nono, jim, I know it!!!!!11112 |
| 04:21.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it must be 'pornview' |
| 04:22.02 | intralanman | can anyone recommend a good wifi connection manager app? |
| 04:22.10 | jim | can't display anything without at least one tit? |
| 04:22.31 | RULON | jim ok ill do that but could u recommend me one? |
| 04:22.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim, no, it can... and it's designed so you can use it one-handed |
| 04:23.02 | jim | I haven't used any image viewers lately other than the gimp which is much more |
| 04:23.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, we cant... because we don't really know what your likings are... |
| 04:23.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, but try feh for a simple one |
| 04:23.32 | jim | what's best is best for -you- |
| 04:23.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, and pornview really exists in debian :) |
| 04:24.09 | RULON | i mean for simple formats u know... jpg, png, gif, |
| 04:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, I named you two.... not enough? |
| 04:24.47 | RULON | i didnt see them sorry |
| 04:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | feh and pornview? |
| 04:25.08 | RULON | are u serious with pornview? |
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| 04:25.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 04:26.01 | jim | RULON, /msg dpkg info pornview |
| 04:26.08 | RULON | so i guess "aptitude install feh" should do it right? |
| 04:26.13 | RULON | ok |
| 04:26.17 | jim | try it and see |
| 04:27.11 | jim | there are an awful lot of things in computers you'll just have to try and experiment with if you want to understand it more |
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| 04:27.39 | jim | I can understand if you were to say "I don't want to understand" but then you become not fun to help |
| 04:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | so now why didn't he try pornview first? |
| 04:27.55 | ice63 | RULON: try apt-cache search feh first |
| 04:27.58 | jim | he's left-handed? |
| 04:28.15 | RULON | lets say i install it and i dont like it, and i run "aptitude remove pornview" will that get rid of pornview directories? |
| 04:28.27 | jim | I guess so |
| 04:28.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's really pretty good if you're more from a windows type of world |
| 04:28.31 | jim | try it and see |
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| 04:28.45 | RULON | ok :D |
| 04:28.50 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: isn't pornview still gtk1? |
| 04:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a bit like that google image searching thingy |
| 04:28.56 | jim | this should be fun |
| 04:29.09 | jim | if it's not, you've picked the wrong hobby :) |
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| 04:29.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, could be |
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| 04:30.11 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: it was last time I tried it; gthumb is not bad; I liked gqview, but it's not [yet] in testing |
| 04:30.11 | k-man | is there a way to add custom commands to katapult? |
| 04:30.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe - and of course pornview also plays videos :) |
| 04:30.30 | k-man | is katapult the only launcher? is there a gnome equivalent to katapult? |
| 04:31.37 | RULON | another question, how can i capture an image of the desktop with just pressing one key, like "impr-paint" in windows |
| 04:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, I'm still more of an xv guy... perhaps someone someday will try to make an exact reproduction of it in GPL |
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| 04:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | just one key, eh? |
| 04:33.09 | RULON | not necesarilly one key, i mean how to do it |
| 04:33.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | gimp can make screenshots |
| 04:33.28 | RULON | but if its just one key will be nice :) |
| 04:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | file->acquire->screenshot |
| 04:33.57 | RULON | ill check that now :) |
| 04:35.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | xwd would do it from the command line |
| 04:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if you type xwd -root , then it's on one keystroke: enter |
| 04:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you probably don't want that |
| 04:36.43 | RULON | oh ok |
| 04:36.54 | RULON | i guess ill stand with gimp |
| 04:37.13 | RULON | :) look and what is better? aptitude or apt-get? |
| 04:37.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dselect |
| 04:37.23 | RULON | i guess thats a common question |
| 04:37.40 | jim | well aptitude keeps track of what you ask to be installed |
| 04:37.52 | jim | as opposed to what is installed as a result |
| 04:37.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, no, it is not - because "better" is not a well defined term |
| 04:37.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why aptitude |
| 04:37.56 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 04:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why not aptitude |
| 04:38.03 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
| 04:38.59 | muddd | what is #299009 |
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| 04:39.01 | muddd | ? |
| 04:39.09 | RULON | ok i see now |
| 04:39.13 | RULON | !why apt-get |
| 04:39.18 | RULON | :( |
| 04:39.35 | amphi | !why aptitude |
| 04:39.36 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 04:39.39 | amphi | ;) |
| 04:39.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | muddd, a fun one :) |
| 04:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dbugs #299009 |
| 04:40.07 | dpkg | #299009:I[aptitude] aptitude: Different package status results from command line vs. interactive use; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:33:02 UTC |
| 04:40.28 | jim | 2005?? |
| 04:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !factinfo why not aptitude |
| 04:41.04 | dpkg | why not aptitude -- created by chealer <~chealer@205.205.243.134> at Mon Apr 9 09:42:17 2007 (327 days); it has been requested 138 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 3m ago. |
| 04:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... |
| 04:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | the factoid seems to be comparatively fresh |
| 04:41.40 | RULON | that bot is 1337 |
| 04:41.44 | muddd | ha |
| 04:41.53 | muddd | uber |
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| 04:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... |
| 04:42.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !beer RULON |
| 04:43.05 | RULON | :D |
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| 04:49.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | everyone's gorn |
| 04:50.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | just you'n me, dpkg |
| 04:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg!? |
| 04:50.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | just me, then |
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| 04:52.37 | adelec | guys, when konqueror can access my locally hosted pages, what's can be wrong when firefox can't? |
| 04:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | you havent installed firefox |
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| 04:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "locally hosted" |
| 04:53.55 | adelec | lol what do you mean by I havent installed firefox |
| 04:54.12 | adelec | I embeded tomcat into my java application, konqueror can access the pages, but not firefox |
| 04:54.15 | Bushmills | what does firefox do when it "can't access" pages? |
| 04:54.15 | dansushi | is there any reason why alt-tab would randomly stop working? |
| 04:54.16 | adelec | what can be wrong? |
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| 04:54.29 | Bushmills | 404? |
| 04:54.38 | k-man | what are files in lost+found? |
| 04:54.49 | k-man | i had some disk problems and now loads of files appear in lost+found |
| 04:54.54 | adelec | I get Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost. |
| 04:55.06 | adelec | I tried apache (httpd) too, same behavior |
| 04:55.11 | amphi | k-man: fragments of fs dredged up by fsck |
| 04:55.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | k-man, files that were lost during fsck |
| 04:55.19 | Bushmills | how do you open pages with firefox? |
| 04:55.32 | Bushmills | and how with konqueror? |
| 04:55.51 | adelec | I type in http://localhost ... I don't get this question |
| 04:56.00 | Bushmills | you tried apache to do what? open your pages? |
| 04:56.22 | k-man | amphi, are they usually only fragments? |
| 04:57.01 | amphi | can be, can complete files, can be directory trees |
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| 04:57.14 | adelec | I use apache (httpd) and tomcat to serve my web pages, I thought it did not work, but it worked, only it worked with konqueror and not firefox, so I don't understand... |
| 04:57.20 | phorce1 | That's a lot of packages to 'aptitude show' to see if I can figure out why it wants to remove them. |
| 04:57.25 | Bushmills | and i have no idea what "this question" which you don't get is |
| 04:57.53 | adelec | You used Apache/Tomcat before? |
| 04:58.45 | adelec | Anyway, I dont think this is relatedd to my webserver, I think it's rather firefox not communicating with my local servers |
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| 04:59.14 | phorce1 | adelec: do you have java enabled in FF since that's what you appear to be trying to load? |
| 04:59.24 | Bushmills | see whether you can wget pages |
| 04:59.39 | adelec | it's a regular page no java in it |
| 04:59.52 | Bushmills | if you can, look at your firefox config. fro example. don't proxy local addresses, or such |
| 05:00.19 | adelec | yeah that's what I tried to do but I have no clue... |
| 05:00.57 | adelec | Plus I have only three choices lol direct, auto, proxy doesn't help much |
| 05:01.09 | phorce1 | I would use aptitude to remove --purge FF and then reinstall it clean. It shouldn't have any proxy stuff enabled in a default install. |
| 05:01.15 | Bushmills | and did you manage to request pages with wget? |
| 05:02.04 | Rusty1 | what if you put the addy of the box in the bar? |
| 05:02.06 | Bushmills | new profile would do too |
| 05:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the fun thing, there is really nothing that could cause this type of behavior :) |
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| 05:04.11 | Bushmills | sure there is. several possibilties. such as, web domain set to allow from localhost, and firefox using proxy on different machine. |
| 05:04.46 | phorce1 | crap, I guess I'll let aptitude remove what it wants gone and cross my fingers. |
| 05:04.55 | Bushmills | popular with configuration frontends. cups, for example. |
| 05:05.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, if you don't recognize the names, it'll at least not be anything you regularily use |
| 05:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, paste the list into a pastebin, if you like... |
| 05:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, or just keep the list of autoremoved stuff handy :) |
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| 05:06.53 | phorce1 | It's mostly gnome "multi" packages from etch that appear to have been separated out in lenny |
| 05:07.21 | phorce1 | That's what I am getting from the ones I've randomply picked to 'show' |
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| 05:10.32 | RULON | i have a plantronics gamecompro headset, i plugged them but theres no sound, but it is recognized, what i have to do? install a driver? |
| 05:11.18 | RULON | btw its usb |
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| 05:14.35 | RULON | how i have to configure debian to use usb_audio |
| 05:14.38 | RULON | :( |
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| 05:15.22 | Swight | hi all, i would like to know what is the encryption used by NIS to hash password |
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| 05:16.04 | Swight | i know its salted, some link witn AES and md5 but i cant find anythong precise |
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| 05:17.05 | wols | very unlikely aes is used |
| 05:17.10 | wols | nfs is too old |
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| 05:17.36 | wols | !tell RULON about alsa |
| 05:17.56 | dacs | this is the first time i see this in vi, at the end of everyline there is ^M in blue color what is that ^M please? |
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| 05:18.11 | wols | newline |
| 05:20.42 | RULON | thanks wols ill check that right now |
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| 05:21.47 | phorce1 | yeah, aptitude got stupid. It uninstalled everything it didn't think was a "necessary" app -- like gnome-games. It wiped out my darn aisleriot!! |
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| 05:23.22 | phorce1 | I'm going back strictly to apt-get. Aptitude tries to be too cute and it's search is a pain. aptitude search aisleriot -- nothing found. apt-get search aisleriot -- finds gnome-games. |
| 05:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see... you're saying extremely important software was removed |
| 05:24.42 | phorce1 | aptitude install gnome games (note the "-" I unintentionally left out) tried to install EVERY package containing the word games. apt-get install gnome games (intentional test) says "no such package" |
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| 05:26.35 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: The thing is, once aptitude marked them as "u" I was going to have to go through and manually unmark every one because at that point even apt-get was set to uninstall them. I *did* save the list so now I'll go through and reinstall stuff with apt-get |
| 05:26.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, you can't deny it - aptitude would have installed gnome-games despite the typo :-P |
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| 05:27.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim is back! |
| 05:27.58 | jim | where?? |
| 05:27.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | and well fed, probably |
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| 05:28.07 | jim | let me at him! |
| 05:28.14 | jim | where the heck is he??! |
| 05:28.18 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: type aptitude install games and look at the list it spits out. That's just stupid. |
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| 05:29.16 | radius | not sure whether to ask this in here - but i switched from kde to gnome on my debian and i keep getting this message when i login..."Cannot find or run the base session script, will try the gnome failsafe session for you." |
| 05:29.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used |
| 05:29.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems I have them all :) |
| 05:29.37 | phorce1 | heh |
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| 05:29.43 | amphi | phorce1: Couldn't find package "games". However, the following packages contain "games" in their name: [long list] |
| 05:29.52 | jim | I want to find or build the nearest kernel to a k6 I can get... the one I tried to build crashed |
| 05:29.55 | amphi | phorce1: what's the problem? |
| 05:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim, heh, that sounds as if it was pretty close to k6 :) |
| 05:30.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, more k5 |
| 05:30.54 | phorce1 | amphi: complete the statement -- would you like to install (Y/n)? An inadvertent tap of the enter key (something my arthritic hands do sometimes) creates havoc. |
| 05:31.11 | jim | it's working with a 486 kernel fine... except it's really sluttish |
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| 05:31.17 | jim | argh! sluggish |
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| 05:31.37 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm installing gnome-games again now then I'm going to try the aptitude safe-upgrade again tose if it decides they need to be removed. |
| 05:31.39 | amphi | phorce1: doesn't ask that here; just exits |
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| 05:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, actually, I don't think I have them all - it suggested them, then let it be for me |
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| 05:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | radius, perhaps .gnome or the like missing? |
| 05:32.39 | phorce1 | try aptitude install gnome games (with a space). That's what I actually (accidentally) typed |
| 05:33.10 | RULON | i installed debian in an old desktop computer with a sucky video card, some videos from vimeo and other webs are laggy, is there any software to handle graphics or improve them dunno something like that :D |
| 05:33.14 | radius | CutMeOwnThroat, i've tried removing all the .gnome dir/s as per google.com/linux searches and reinstalled - same error all the time |
| 05:33.46 | radius | at this point i'm ready to give up and start fresh and del all the desktops and configs |
| 05:34.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | radius, well, try as a fresh user 1st |
| 05:34.15 | radius | i'll give that a shot - |
| 05:34.21 | phorce1 | That is just freakin strange. Must be an artifact of the dist-upgrade from etch to lenny. A second ago it removed gnome-games as unnecessary during a safe-upgrade. Now that I've reinstalled it it is leaving it alone. |
| 05:34.21 | radius | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
| 05:34.21 | amphi | phorce1: Need to get 299MB of archives. After unpacking 851MB will be used - easily interrupted with ctrl-c after a lurche enter-wards |
| 05:34.38 | jim | sure, that will tell you if it's a core screwup or a config problem |
| 05:34.55 | amphi | phorce1: you're bitching about nothing IMHO, borderline trolling |
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| 05:35.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, packages are marked as installed as a dependency |
| 05:35.34 | jim | so, who has kernel knowledge? |
| 05:35.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | linus! |
| 05:35.54 | jim | evidently... but he's useless |
| 05:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll tell him that next time I meet him |
| 05:36.20 | jim | he's not right here over my shoulder answering all my questions and making everything right for MEEEEE |
| 05:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim, ask your dad, then |
| 05:37.09 | jim | oh, well, got a psychic phone? |
| 05:37.28 | radius | CutMeOwnThroat, same problem |
| 05:37.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | radius, then this saved you trying a 1000 things in your user directory :) |
| 05:37.59 | phorce1 | amphi: just pointing out odd behaviour. Tested a bit more and so far it actually only does the auto-install attempt with the exact keywords "gnome games". Using "anything-else games" dosn't do it. Odd |
| 05:38.06 | radius | 1001 now - ;) |
| 05:38.12 | jim | CutMeOwnThroat; howyadoin |
| 05:38.40 | amphi | phorce1: gnome is a metapackage |
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| 05:39.32 | jim | a megapackage? |
| 05:39.41 | amphi | phorce1: aptitude show gnome |
| 05:39.52 | amphi | that too ;) |
| 05:40.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | radius, what's actually called to start gnome? |
| 05:40.14 | radius | gdm |
| 05:40.15 | phorce1 | amphi: And I started bitching because aptitude insisted that 76 packages needed to be removed and I need to pick through then and reinstall anything that I may have wanted to keep so it wouldn't just keep re-marking them as a "u" status. |
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| 05:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | radius, no, that's just the login manager... I use that (or kdm) but not gnome (or kde) |
| 05:40.47 | phorce1 | it removed that too (gdm) although that doesn't bother me much, startx works |
| 05:41.08 | radius | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry you lost me now |
| 05:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | radius, gdm is not gnome it's just the funny program giving you that login screen |
| 05:41.54 | radius | CutMeOwnThroat, correct |
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| 05:42.15 | abrotman | funny? |
| 05:42.43 | RULON | i installed debian in an old desktop computer with a sucky video card, some videos from vimeo and other webs are laggy, is there any software to handle graphics or improve them dunno something like that :D |
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| 05:42.47 | radius | CutMeOwnThroat, i thought gdm drove the login screen - but i'll byte |
| 05:43.41 | jim | radius: would you like to know more about what x widow system is all about? |
| 05:43.54 | phorce1 | amphi: amphi replacing "gnome" with another metapackage name in the "aptitude install gnome games" command still doesn't cause it to automatically want to install all games. ... fascinating |
| 05:44.00 | radius | i just want to start gnome without running failsafe |
| 05:44.07 | radius | kde ran for years no problem |
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| 05:44.25 | radius | now i want to test in gnome - and i cannot correct the failsafe error |
| 05:44.31 | jim | what attracted you to gnome?> |
| 05:44.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | radius, all I mean is, that running the gnome application from the command line could help you... but as I don't know which app that is... and you seem to know neither, that's not so helpful :) |
| 05:45.01 | jim | oh, and what happened with the fresh user? |
| 05:45.15 | radius | honestly - the same reason kde4 has the multi window and i miss my mac - so as close to a mac i can get - gnome has it |
| 05:45.24 | phorce1 | amphi: Aha -- it does if you use another desktop metapackage. aptitude install kde games does the same thing. Not bitching, just fascinated by aberrant behavior. |
| 05:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, mplayer; you might need to /msg dpkg debian-multimedia - not sure if it's in normal debian right now |
| 05:45.50 | radius | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks anyway - i'm just going back to kde3 |
| 05:46.03 | radius | my life will go on saner |
| 05:46.21 | RULON | ok CutMeOwnThroat lemme check :) |
| 05:46.41 | radius | jim, same thing failsafe loaded |
| 05:47.07 | jim | ok, so something definitely went wrong with the gnome install or the parts of gnome itself |
| 05:47.22 | radius | <chuckles> ya think |
| 05:47.32 | abrotman | CHUCKIE! |
| 05:48.09 | radius | i've been using debian for years not a new born hopeless - not yet anyway (; |
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| 05:48.18 | jim | now now, we get all levels here... |
| 05:48.44 | radius | <see end of my phrase wink> |
| 05:49.11 | jim | np :) |
| 05:49.45 | radius | ok time to clean up this mess and get back on stable kde3(5.8) |
| 05:49.56 | jim | that |
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| 05:50.02 | jim | is what I'm running now |
| 05:50.11 | jim | now about my kernel... |
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| 05:55.15 | MatBoy | does someone know if there is a repo for the latest Asterisk files for debian ? |
| 05:57.21 | rcbarnes | So if I have a custom kernel (2.6.23.11), I can't use any of the ipw2100 packages, can I? |
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| 05:57.45 | wols | only if you compile your own from source |
| 05:57.55 | wols | !info ipw2100 |
| 05:58.02 | MatBoy | mhh, seems to be difficult to find |
| 05:58.17 | rcbarnes | wols: I thought so. Thanks |
| 05:58.23 | wols | MatBoy: ask the asterisk files. or look in sid |
| 05:58.31 | wols | the asterisk devs |
| 05:58.43 | MatBoy | wols, yeah, but they ofcourse say... debian :D |
| 05:58.53 | MatBoy | wols, just add sid into the sources for that ? |
| 05:58.55 | wols | aso look in sid |
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| 05:58.58 | wols | no |
| 05:59.02 | MatBoy | o2w |
| 05:59.03 | MatBoy | ow |
| 05:59.04 | wols | !tell MatBoy about simple sid backport |
| 05:59.04 | MatBoy | :) |
| 05:59.13 | MatBoy | yeah tell me :) |
| 05:59.23 | wols | already did |
| 06:00.55 | jim | what's the best way to cook up a k6 kernel, version 2.6.18? |
| 06:01.07 | jim | are there things to watch out for in the config? |
| 06:07.54 | RULON | why sometimes im goint to install something with apt-get or aptitude and it says it needs to uninstall some a few gnome features... |
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| 06:09.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | not all packages can be instaled besides |
| 06:09.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | side-by-side, I mean |
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| 06:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | like, you can't have nvidia-kernel and nvidia-legacy-kernel |
| 06:11.47 | sauvin | http://imagechan.com/img/330/Blue%20screen%20of%20death/ |
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| 06:11.59 | RULON | but the thing is i have xfce and gdm, and always that message appears and i go for it, it uninstalls the gdm |
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| 06:12.09 | RULON | and i have to reinstall it again |
| 06:13.00 | RULON | but i dont know if the fact of reinstalling it again once its been removed mess up anything |
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| 06:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'll probably uninstall the package that forced its removal |
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| 06:14.35 | RULON | so lets say hotplug uninstalls gdm, and after that i reinstall gdm, hotplug will be removed? |
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| 06:15.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | those two don't really have anything to do with each other |
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| 06:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but like hotplug and udev |
| 06:16.14 | RULON | well im doing apt-get install hotplug and that is what says |
| 06:16.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hotplug |
| 06:16.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
| 06:17.08 | kombi | is there a cli tool to monitor disk io? |
| 06:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're running a 2.6 kernel, I think udev stuff should do the hotplug |
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| 06:18.15 | RULON | how can i know what kernel im running :) |
| 06:18.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | uname -a |
| 06:18.24 | kombi | we have this box running ext3 which beha, uname -r |
| 06:18.44 | kombi | ..ves awfully slow with fs operations |
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| 06:19.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | kombi, you have a weird way of designing your sentences :) |
| 06:19.19 | kombi | sorry about that...;) |
| 06:19.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | kombi, did you test for udma? |
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| 06:19.31 | Supaplex | !ext3 vs reiserfs |
| 06:19.32 | dpkg | ext3 vs reiserfs is, like, http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/ext3_vs_reiserfs-1.php |
| 06:19.52 | kombi | CutMeOwnThroat: good point, how would I do that? |
| 06:20.03 | Supaplex | !hdparm |
| 06:20.03 | dpkg | i heard hdparm is the HD tuning tool. It's also very dangerous, don't blame us if it makes you lose data. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :) |
| 06:20.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | kombi, hdparm -i /dev/hd |
| 06:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hdX |
| 06:20.13 | RULON | CutMeOwnThroat, : Linux desktop 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:20.32 | RULON | so apt-get install udev? |
| 06:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, I think you should be fine... |
| 06:20.52 | RULON | ok |
| 06:21.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, start worrying, when something doesn't work - if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
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| 06:22.02 | kombi | I usually got reiserFS on all boxes, just on this one the installer must have talked me into ext3 |
| 06:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | this supaplex guy talks in exclamation marks only :) |
| 06:22.16 | Supaplex | oh hush :p |
| 06:22.29 | RULON | CutMeOwnThroat, dunno if its broke, but my plantronics usb arent making any sound :D |
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| 06:22.59 | telexicon | Is there a way I can apt-get upgrade without lagging my system? |
| 06:23.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a plantronics |
| 06:23.12 | RULON | headsets |
| 06:23.13 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: it's the brand |
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| 06:23.31 | rgr | How can I tell visudo to use emacs? |
| 06:23.33 | Supaplex | telexicon: why would it lag the system? |
| 06:23.42 | Supaplex | rgr: EDITOR= |
| 06:23.44 | telexicon | Supaplex, i dont know why, but it does |
| 06:24.09 | telexicon | Supaplex, if im watching a video or something, it gets very choppy |
| 06:24.18 | Supaplex | telexicon: what kind of lag? system unresponsive? network slow? calls you the day after your date dear johns you? |
| 06:24.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, now... did that work before hotplug was removed? |
| 06:24.29 | Supaplex | ahh. use nice |
| 06:24.54 | telexicon | Supaplex, my GUI apps dont respond very quickly anymore, if i click another tab or maybe switch another app it pauses a few seconds before doing so |
| 06:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, won't work... it's mostly disk accesses |
| 06:24.58 | RULON | CutMeOwnThroat, its first time i plug the headset |
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| 06:25.12 | RULON | and i havent removed hotplug |
| 06:25.15 | telexicon | i tried nice, if i nice -n19 apt-get upgrade it still slows things down |
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| 06:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | telexicon, hm, check amount of memory used (top), also check if dma access is on for the disks |
| 06:25.51 | Supaplex | hdparm? i/o scheduling isn't very advanced in linux right now. (it's slowly improving) |
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| 06:26.48 | Supaplex | there are a few kernel modules to control i/o scheduling, but I don't think you can limit by app. |
| 06:27.18 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: they come in bundles all too often :) |
| 06:27.20 | rgr | Supaplex: where does this EDITOR go? in the root .bashrc? |
| 06:27.24 | telexicon | well the video should be in memory, its streaming video |
| 06:27.46 | telexicon | im using 300MB out of 512 for memory |
| 06:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was asking because of the apps.. |
| 06:28.20 | Supaplex | rgr: EDITOR=emacs visudo. or yes, put it in your shell dotfile rc. or if it's only used as your system, maybe update-alternatives |
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| 06:28.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | a few seconds until the gui reacts sounds like swapping |
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| 06:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing will prevent a video streamed over the net from getting a bit choppy, I guess |
| 06:28.50 | Supaplex | or heavy memory fragmentation |
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| 06:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 06:29.04 | telexicon | well swap is being used a bit |
| 06:29.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | such a thing exists? |
| 06:29.15 | Supaplex | firefox has that problem all the time |
| 06:29.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | telexicon, you see it by swapd turning up frequently in top |
| 06:29.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but there is no firefox in debian :) |
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| 06:30.00 | Supaplex | big pool of memory is used, little pieces of it are freed but unusualble until all the parts are free. |
| 06:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, you're using a different OS and we caught you :-P |
| 06:30.09 | Supaplex | s/firefox/mozilla products/ |
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| 06:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | waterrabbit |
| 06:31.06 | Supaplex | and somehow debian is immune. rigggggght. |
| 06:31.11 | Supaplex | anyway... |
| 06:31.28 | telexicon | ok hm |
| 06:31.37 | telexicon | hdparm -d /dev/sda doesnt show that dma is on |
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| 06:31.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | telexicon, sda? what type of disk is it? |
| 06:32.05 | telexicon | IDE |
| 06:32.16 | telexicon | er PATA or whichever, its in my laptop |
| 06:32.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | normal ide? why's it not hda then? |
| 06:32.23 | telexicon | 2.6.24 |
| 06:32.53 | telexicon | i suppose, this newer stuff makes things sda instead of hda.. it used to be hda |
| 06:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | set it to on with hdparm -d1 , then |
| 06:33.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | sda == scsi |
| 06:33.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a scsi emulation for sata and some cdroms |
| 06:33.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | if they're sata disks... I'd damn well want to know myself how to check if they're using dma access or not |
| 06:34.08 | telexicon | they're not sata, i know for sure |
| 06:34.10 | telexicon | this is an old laptop |
| 06:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hdparm -d1 /dev/sda then |
| 06:34.50 | telexicon | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
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| 06:35.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sdparm? |
| 06:35.14 | telexicon | this used to show up as hda |
| 06:35.18 | raz | hm, which dvd images do i need for installation? i just downloaded the first via jigdo, do i need any more or are they only addtl packages? |
| 06:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | telexicon, the error essentially sais that that option/command doesn't exist for that hardware.... which is very unusual for a normal ide disk |
| 06:36.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I haven't installed debian from scratch for ages... |
| 06:36.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !install debian |
| 06:36.52 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 06:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I would have gone with just the netinst image anyways |
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| 06:39.28 | ice63 | that's all i use |
| 06:39.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | the DVD sets contain all packages.... so if you don't want that you have to let yourself be asked, why you didn't go with the smaller netinstall image :) |
| 06:39.42 | RULON | CutMeOwnThroat, i restarted debian without uninstalling or installing anything and now the headset works, but the in line control volume dont work, i think this is most likely common with headsets and keyboards when the custom buttons dont work, how can i fix this |
| 06:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno |
| 06:40.56 | muddd | alsa? |
| 06:41.12 | gvaccine | maybe you can try /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 06:41.17 | xsdg | can a RAID-5 array be used while it's being rebuilt? (I suspect the answer is "no," but am not sure) |
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| 06:41.38 | ice63 | or alsaconf |
| 06:41.56 | muddd | chuck norris can use an array while its being rebuilt. |
| 06:41.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | xsdg, try? |
| 06:42.19 | xsdg | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't have a RAID-5 |
| 06:42.25 | telexicon | CutMeOwnThroat, yea it doesnt make sense.. this is my hard drive: http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/dk/2/23da20fspec.html |
| 06:42.33 | xsdg | muddd: heh |
| 06:42.35 | kombi | CutMeOwnThroat: Jeez, how could I ever overlook hdparm, it's like loosing the handbreak after 10,000 miles, thanks! |
| 06:42.38 | telexicon | well the size is different, but its the same family |
| 06:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | kombi :) |
| 06:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | kombi, don't forget to make some arrangements in the init scripts... |
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| 06:43.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | kombi, also, when ever the disk dies and chucks up time outs, it'll forget the settings also |
| 06:43.56 | kombi | absolutely & understood.. |
| 06:44.17 | RULON | what is xorg? |
| 06:44.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | telexicon, try to set the pio mode... |
| 06:44.51 | jim | a big ol hairy monster that says XARG!!! HEHEHEHE! |
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| 06:45.03 | muddd | haha |
| 06:45.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | telexicon, but the highest one is default |
| 06:45.18 | jim | it's x.org |
| 06:45.41 | RULON | ok jim xould u tell me what x.org is ? :D |
| 06:45.42 | muddd | orgasms with a graphical user interface |
| 06:45.44 | gvaccine | RULON, xorg is the X11 implement |
| 06:45.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !xorg |
| 06:45.58 | dpkg | methinks xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
| 06:46.00 | jim | rulon: put x.org in your browser |
| 06:46.10 | muddd | bow chiky wow wow |
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| 06:46.16 | mateusz | Hi |
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| 06:46.49 | mateusz | After installing acpi-support and system starts up I get the following error |
| 06:46.50 | mateusz | hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 06:46.51 | mateusz | hda: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { AbortedCommand } |
| 06:46.51 | mateusz | ide: failed opcode was: 0xef |
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| 06:46.55 | jim | ! |
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| 06:47.00 | mateusz | Any help ? |
| 06:47.12 | jim | !paste |
| 06:47.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 06:47.26 | mateusz | jim, I pasted acctualy 3 lines |
| 06:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | mehppm, 4 |
| 06:47.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, with the one you typed |
| 06:47.54 | muddd | cannot argue with the logic of the bot |
| 06:47.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, debhelper is never wrong |
| 06:48.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | muddd, :) |
| 06:48.07 | muddd | heh |
| 06:48.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | mateusz, your disk is dying |
| 06:48.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | mateusz, buy a new one |
| 06:48.19 | jim | dpkg: confuse muddd |
| 06:48.20 | dpkg | Yes, what are our weasel yesterday, muddd? breeches of the democracy of micronesia with extra herring |
| 06:48.23 | raz | i use the dvd because the laptop i'm installing to has no networking |
| 06:48.23 | mateusz | CutMeOwnThroat, its new one |
| 06:48.44 | muddd | uh yeah that did it alright |
| 06:48.53 | telexicon | CutMeOwnThroat, dmesg says: ata1.00: ATA-5: HITACHI_DK23DA-40, 00J0A0G2, max UDMA/100 , configured for UDMA/100 |
| 06:49.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | mateusz, still... these mean the disk is broken... or possibly not connected correctly or something |
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| 06:50.04 | telexicon | CutMeOwnThroat, so i guess DMA is set automagically |
| 06:50.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | telexicon, well, seems ok -but why then doesnt hdparm work? |
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| 06:50.26 | telexicon | CutMeOwnThroat, i think im using the new libata which doesn't support HDIO ioctls |
| 06:50.27 | RULON | wow xchat is annoying... it shouldnt close when u click close :( |
| 06:50.45 | muddd | you can change that but mine does |
| 06:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mateusz, although I once had a disk that was hideously slow because of those errors - and it ran perfectly in windows machines.... we exchanged it anyways to be sure |
| 06:50.51 | mateusz | CutMeOwnThroat, This is my bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457386 |
| 06:51.01 | mateusz | CutMeOwnThroat, its not broken |
| 06:51.41 | mateusz | CutMeOwnThroat, maybe it was find, and You sent money on new one because of harmless bug? :> |
| 06:51.47 | mateusz | CutMeOwnThroat, was fine |
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| 06:52.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mateusz, I doubt it... it ran fine for ... dunno... over a year? |
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| 06:53.38 | mateusz | CutMeOwnThroat, maybe you upgraded to bugy software ? |
| 06:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | mateusz, 2.6.23 kernel? |
| 06:53.48 | mateusz | CutMeOwnThroat, if it was running fine on windows |
| 06:54.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | mateusz, this was at least 2 years ago....there were no 2.6.23 kernels around at that time :) |
| 06:54.15 | mateusz | CutMeOwnThroat, I already found whats wrong with mine, its a bug in hdparm and I am going to fix it, as there is a patch |
| 06:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | mateusz, and no... definitely not... I think I tried it on other debian machines... |
| 06:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, it wasn't my money :) |
| 06:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and data nobody would've wanted to lose... or have to restore |
| 06:55.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | and performance dropped dramatically with those errors |
| 06:56.03 | mateusz | CutMeOwnThroat, I see it only once.. |
| 06:56.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, it was weird how it would work seemingly full speed under windows |
| 06:56.23 | mateusz | CutMeOwnThroat, during startup when scripts try to execute command on optical device |
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| 06:56.32 | Travis | hi i am using debian and CUPS to print to my printer, i am wondering if there is a way to have cups backup my print jobs, like as a PDF as well as print, so we can go back and see what was printed later? |
| 06:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | mateusz, oh? these errors are normally all over the place - if you just see it once, you can probably ignore it |
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| 06:57.08 | mateusz | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah... its harmless but I dont like to see it during starup :P so I'll patch hdparm:D |
| 06:57.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Travis, spying on people, eh? |
| 06:58.04 | muddd | heh |
| 06:58.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't know the fbi used debian |
| 06:58.39 | kombi | Is DMA turned off in the standard kernel? (HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted) |
| 06:58.56 | mateusz | kombi, no its not |
| 06:58.59 | muddd | do it as root? |
| 06:59.14 | kombi | yip.. |
| 06:59.30 | kombi | oh wait, custom kernel!.. sorry |
| 06:59.49 | Travis | CutMeOwnThroat lol well this we're required to log all printing activity |
| 06:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Travis, all print jobs appear as a file in /var/spool/cups during print |
| 06:59.59 | mateusz | kombi, maybe You forgot about driver:P |
| 07:00.16 | kombi | mateusz: seems like it..;) |
| 07:00.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Travis, but when you "log printing activity" you don't normally log the content |
| 07:00.29 | mateusz | kombi, happens |
| 07:00.45 | Travis | CutMeOwnThroat yea, but we need content too lol |
| 07:01.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !irritate Travis |
| 07:01.07 | dpkg | Travis: wenas who uses dvd hello? |
| 07:01.23 | muddd | this bot is kinda nifty |
| 07:01.23 | Travis | lol ummmmmmm |
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| 07:02.28 | Travis | CutMeOwnThroat any idea on how i can have it keep a copy of that file it puts in /var/spool/cups ? |
| 07:02.48 | \amethyst | Travis: there is a PreserveJobFiles options, perhaps that's what you want |
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| 07:02.58 | muddd | sounds like a job for scripting skills maybe? |
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| 07:03.02 | \amethyst | Travis: mentioned at http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/ref-cupsd-conf.html |
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| 07:03.14 | \amethyst | s/options/option/ |
| 07:03.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or in "man cupsd.conf" |
| 07:04.34 | Travis | k ill check it out |
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| 07:05.12 | Travis | any idea what format these job files are in? |
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| 07:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | postscript |
| 07:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | or whatever the printer swallows, I guess |
| 07:05.39 | Travis | ok good so i should be able to convert to pdf no problem |
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| 07:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | but as I have a postscript printer.... hard to say |
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| 07:10.23 | Travis | awesome worked like a charm |
| 07:10.27 | Travis | thanks a ton! |
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| 07:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | shhht |
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| 07:17.51 | RULON | i think i messed up something with aptitude remove or apt-get remove... iceweasel and epiphany, and even xchat look slower, and when im watching youtube videos sometimes beats back and forwarde a same frase, how can i repair those three programs |
| 07:17.53 | RULON | :D |
| 07:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | top |
| 07:18.59 | jim | side |
| 07:19.33 | RULON | whats that? |
| 07:20.01 | jim | you have to look at what's happening on your system, and easiest to see is just as CutMeOwnThroat said: top |
| 07:20.18 | RULON | ok |
| 07:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hah, greasemonkey scripts rock |
| 07:20.41 | jim | I don't think you messed up your aptitude |
| 07:20.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, some of them... guess the ones I didn't write myself :-/ |
| 07:21.06 | RULON | no, i think i messed up something with aptitude |
| 07:21.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think so either |
| 07:21.16 | jim | why do you think that |
| 07:21.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim, you sound like eliza :) |
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| 07:21.48 | jim | CutMeOwnThroat: tell me more about I sound like eliza |
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| 07:22.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim, did your father tell you more about I sound like eliza? |
| 07:22.51 | RULON | i tried apt-get install dontrememberwichaplication and started to say it needed to remove some fetures i think they were gnome feaures 8although im using xfce with gdm) and then i said no and started to give me alternat choices and stuff... after that i restarted and now its like this |
| 07:23.05 | RULON | it feels like something its not right :D |
| 07:23.17 | jim | jim, did my father tell I more about you sound like eliza? |
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| 07:23.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | broken eliza :-/ |
| 07:24.02 | jim | badly :) |
| 07:24.19 | jim | megahalbot is better :0 |
| 07:24.45 | RULON | so how can i repair a program :) |
| 07:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was tempted... there is an eliza perl module in debian... should be not too hard to make an xchat plugin from that |
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| 07:25.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, what did top show |
| 07:25.21 | jim | RULON: but you're assuming there's something to repair about a single program |
| 07:25.55 | RULON | CutMeOwnThroat, it showed all the processes i guess but i dont know how to interpretate whats going on |
| 07:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, look at the top 2-3 lines and see how much of the cpu is used... |
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| 07:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, also look at the 1st process and its CPU usage |
| 07:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's 99.9%, kill the process |
| 07:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | delcoyote, it's 1:30 in the night here... not what I understand as morning, however often you repeat that |
| 07:27.38 | jim | se!p souanq afoho)7ap |
| 07:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim, eliza again? |
| 07:28.12 | jim | %u!e6e ez!7a `w!f <feojyfumoawfn)> |
| 07:28.14 | delcoyote | 7:27 am clear sky here 6ºC outside :) |
| 07:28.22 | Guerin | !hurt jim |
| 07:28.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you're insane |
| 07:28.40 | dpkg | HAHAHAAHAHHAA, INSANE... THEY SAID I AM INSANE HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 BUT I WILL SHOW THEM!!!!!11 |
| 07:28.44 | Guerin | delcoyote: we don't care |
| 07:29.21 | delcoyote | same here Veronica |
| 07:29.45 | delcoyote | have to watch that fil btw |
| 07:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps that was lame advice... and X was using 99% of the CPU and he called X :) |
| 07:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/called/killed/ |
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| 07:32.37 | dejen | hallo |
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| 07:33.00 | dejen | jemand da =) der mir kurz helfen kann |
| 07:33.52 | jim | !de |
| 07:33.52 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 07:34.11 | dejen | thx |
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| 07:34.56 | delcoyote | prost |
| 07:35.52 | RULON | wich other progrmas are like gdm? |
| 07:36.04 | RULON | and how they call? managers? |
| 07:36.06 | patrick-1 | google window manager |
| 07:36.08 | jim | xdm, kdm, wdm |
| 07:36.14 | sword | X display manager |
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| 07:36.39 | RULON | i want the more lite |
| 07:37.11 | jim | they wait for you to type your name and password, then they start your session |
| 07:37.13 | patrick-1 | fluxbox |
| 07:37.27 | Guerin | patrick-1: don't give hom the wrong advice |
| 07:37.34 | jim | fvwm is lighter |
| 07:37.38 | Guerin | RULON: use xdm. |
| 07:37.44 | RULON | ok i see |
| 07:37.46 | sword | A wm is not a display manager. |
| 07:37.48 | patrick-1 | pf |
| 07:37.59 | jim | those are display managers... there are also window managers |
| 07:38.00 | Guerin | pf is definitely not a window manager |
| 07:38.05 | RULON | no, ur all confusing me... wich one? |
| 07:38.09 | Guerin | RULON: xdm. |
| 07:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he meant a windows manager, though :) |
| 07:38.16 | Guerin | don't think |
| 07:38.24 | Guerin | and don't guess |
| 07:38.29 | jim | not sure he knows tho |
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| 07:38.39 | sauvin | How do I turn off the touchpad on a laptop? |
| 07:38.50 | RULON | so like Guerin says, xdm is a good choice? |
| 07:38.57 | jim | sauvin: refuse to touch it! |
| 07:39.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean "think?! you're not paid for thinking!" |
| 07:39.04 | Guerin | RULON: fo0r a display manager, it's the litest choice. |
| 07:39.06 | sauvin | Easier said than done. |
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| 07:39.14 | Guerin | sauvin: gaffer tape |
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| 07:39.27 | Guerin | there's nothing it can't fix |
| 07:39.37 | sauvin | There's gotta be something in init.d to turn off. |
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| 07:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, except a broken sexlife (normally, that is) |
| 07:40.00 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: who said anything about normality? |
| 07:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sauvin, I have a key combination that turns it off |
| 07:40.11 | sauvin | What is it? |
| 07:40.14 | RULON | ok Guerin , and another question, i asked for what is x.org but i went to the website and i didnt understood shit :D what x.org is? is like KDE or gnonme? |
| 07:40.23 | sword | Oh, wow. |
| 07:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | sauvin, Fn-key-with-a-finger-pointing-on-a-rectangle :) |
| 07:40.37 | Guerin | RULON: no. |
| 07:40.44 | sauvin | ? |
| 07:40.44 | Guerin | !grounding |
| 07:40.44 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 07:40.45 | jim | RULON: no, it's not like either one of those |
| 07:41.02 | Guerin | RULON: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
| 07:41.08 | RULON | so its not a desktop manager? |
| 07:41.16 | Guerin | no, it's not |
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| 07:41.37 | RULON | what is it then... i went to thee website and didnt understood anything :( |
| 07:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | sauvin, that symbol is on F7, but I think that's laptop-specific(?) - I nearly have the impression that keycombo bypasses linux (but not sure) |
| 07:42.07 | Guerin | RULON: it's a system for showing you things - text, pictures, whatever - and letting you control what they do. |
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| 07:42.19 | Guerin | RULON: and letting other programs control what they do |
| 07:42.54 | RULON | so can i install it? |
| 07:43.00 | Guerin | yes. |
| 07:43.04 | RULON | i dont have it and sounds pretty useful |
| 07:43.05 | Guerin | aptitude install xorg |
| 07:43.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, you probably have it installed if you're not on a text tterminal |
| 07:43.27 | RULON | okidoky |
| 07:43.57 | jim | RULON: check out man X |
| 07:44.03 | jim | see what you understand of that |
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| 07:45.00 | RULON | ok. what man means, i know displays help text but what man means? |
| 07:45.06 | RULON | manual? |
| 07:45.10 | sword | Yes. |
| 07:45.18 | RULON | wow im smart |
| 07:45.21 | EmuMan | dedicated server |
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| 07:45.27 | mateusz | Hi |
| 07:45.27 | RULON | jk |
| 07:45.40 | mateusz | After installing grub-pc I cant see any font in X |
| 07:45.42 | mateusz | in gnome |
| 07:45.48 | mateusz | is it a bug in debina? |
| 07:46.02 | EmuMan | dedicated server. |
| 07:46.12 | jim | debinas have ladybugs! |
| 07:46.19 | mateusz | jim: ? |
| 07:46.33 | mateusz | jim: I see no fonts and when I type also |
| 07:46.44 | EmuMan | dedicated server |
| 07:46.47 | jim | !info grub-pc |
| 07:46.49 | mateusz | EmuMan: ? |
| 07:46.50 | dpkg | grub-pc: (GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version)), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.96+20080228-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1032 kB, Installed size: 2652 kB |
| 07:46.53 | EmuMan | ? |
| 07:47.03 | mateusz | EmuMan: are You talking to me? |
| 07:47.06 | EmuMan | ?> |
| 07:47.06 | RULON | i type aptitude install xorg but nothing happens... does that means i already have it installed? |
| 07:47.28 | EmuMan | dedicated server. |
| 07:47.35 | mateusz | ? |
| 07:47.44 | EmuMan | ? |
| 07:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | EmuMan, stop that |
| 07:47.49 | RULON | troll |
| 07:47.50 | EmuMan | what? |
| 07:47.58 | mateusz | jim: well I dont know why I cant see any fonts when I type something in X |
| 07:47.59 | jim | EmuMan: you said that |
| 07:48.04 | EmuMan | .....? |
| 07:48.06 | mateusz | jim: nor anywhere |
| 07:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'EmuMan> dedicated server.' |
| 07:48.16 | jim | mateusz: me too |
| 07:48.18 | EmuMan | stop highliting me |
| 07:48.21 | EmuMan | jeez |
| 07:48.23 | EmuMan | what do you want |
| 07:48.41 | jim | I was just about to ask you the same question :) |
| 07:48.51 | RULON | EmuMan, stop trolling, some of us actually need some support |
| 07:49.06 | EmuMan | "trolling"? |
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| 07:49.35 | RULON | troll level 3 detected |
| 07:50.36 | jim | EmuMan: ok, so you're not willing to tell us what you want? |
| 07:50.46 | EmuMan | seriously |
| 07:50.48 | EmuMan | stop highliting me |
| 07:50.50 | EmuMan | please |
| 07:51.03 | EmuMan | jeez o peez |
| 07:51.28 | mateusz | EmuMan: dedicated server |
| 07:51.33 | jim | EmuMan: your irc client does that; if you want, reconfigure it appropriately to how you want it to work. |
| 07:51.44 | RULON | how can u ignore on xchat? |
| 07:51.45 | EmuMan | i want it to tell me when someone wants me |
| 07:51.54 | EmuMan | i dont want it to tell me when you type my name for god knows why |
| 07:51.59 | EmuMan | so shut up |
| 07:52.03 | EmuMan | thanks |
| 07:52.17 | jim | !ops EmuMan possible troll |
| 07:52.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jim complains about: EmuMan possible troll |
| 07:52.20 | sword | Generally, /ignore works for most clients. |
| 07:52.27 | mateusz | sword: right |
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| 07:54.09 | RULON | ok now i see |
| 07:54.32 | RULON | so i installed xdm, so there shouldn be any problem on uninstalling gdm right? |
| 07:54.53 | jim | there wouldn't be anyway... so, yes :) |
| 07:55.07 | jim | you don't need xdm or gdm |
| 07:55.18 | RULON | then how can i login |
| 07:55.21 | jim | or really, any graphic system at all |
| 07:55.24 | RULON | startx? |
| 07:55.28 | sword | RULON: Unless you are familiar with using startx, you will need a "X display manager". |
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| 07:56.26 | RULON | so if i uninstall both and then restart debian, wheen i startit again i should type my root and pass and then type startx? |
| 07:56.30 | RULON | that simple? |
| 07:56.44 | sword | Running as root is not recommended. |
| 07:56.57 | jim | root? well, I generally wouldn't... you should log in as yourself and not root |
| 07:57.03 | RULON | ok so my username and pass and then startx right? |
| 07:57.06 | sword | But, yes. However, getting the right wm to run from startx is... difficult. |
| 07:57.45 | jim | you -could- do that... you'd have to edit text files to get things working the way you want |
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| 07:57.54 | sword | (.xsession?) |
| 07:57.59 | jim | right |
| 07:58.05 | jim | or others too |
| 07:58.05 | sword | That synapse evaporated a while ago. |
| 07:58.27 | jim | ugh, alcohol? |
| 07:58.40 | RULON | rofl |
| 07:58.49 | sword | Hmm, sounds like a good idea. |
| 07:59.03 | Guerin | i concur |
| 07:59.42 | jim | evaporatin symapses... really didn't need em... didn't wanna read em... |
| 08:00.20 | RULON | wich programs u guys recommend for starters... to have on ur system for most common taks like seein pics, listen music, msn, irc and stuff. i promise ill stop askin once someone anwer me that XD |
| 08:00.52 | jim | you can ask what you want and what's on topic :) |
| 08:01.05 | RULON | :D |
| 08:01.11 | sword | RULON: "tasksel install desktop" possibly. |
| 08:01.33 | RULON | whats that? |
| 08:01.35 | sword | That will do you all of Gnome, and a proper X install, and lots of stuff. |
| 08:01.43 | sword | IIRC. |
| 08:02.00 | RULON | ah no, i dont want gnome, im using xfce :D |
| 08:02.16 | RULON | its much lighter and its pretty cool |
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| 08:03.13 | sword | Bleh, xfce. Anyway, you will need to find your own packages, apt-cache search MSN, etc. |
| 08:03.36 | RULON | im using emesene, but its a little buggy |
| 08:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | RULON, pft, I told you about pornview 2 hours ago... "seeing pics, watching videos"- you should've stopped askin' hours ago :) |
| 08:03.57 | RULON | when i close it the tray icon just stay there even if i kill the proccess |
| 08:04.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, nite |
| 08:04.25 | RULON | CutMeOwnThroat, i installed it |
| 08:04.41 | jim | RULON: did you say you checked out that man page |
| 08:04.42 | jim | ? |
| 08:05.03 | RULON | ah? |
| 08:05.07 | RULON | what page? |
| 08:05.11 | jim | man X |
| 08:05.24 | RULON | oh no i didnt, forgot :D |
| 08:05.27 | RULON | im on it |
| 08:06.19 | RULON | i type that it says theres no entry manual for man x |
| 08:06.26 | RULON | for x* |
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| 08:06.33 | jim | nono, not man x |
| 08:06.36 | jim | man X |
| 08:06.48 | RULON | my mistake, i did man x |
| 08:07.02 | RULON | it says theres no entry manual for x |
| 08:07.43 | jim | hmm, no manual entry for X? |
| 08:07.46 | jim | or x? |
| 08:07.53 | jim | notice the difference |
| 08:08.46 | RULON | man letters are case sensitive in this world :D |
| 08:08.55 | jim | yes |
| 08:08.56 | RULON | now ill never forgot that |
| 08:08.58 | jim | exactly |
| 08:09.54 | jim | you might not understand everything |
| 08:09.55 | RULON | jim, now it says the same but with " See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available." |
| 08:10.05 | jim | oh gawd... ok |
| 08:10.05 | blubberdiblub | try "man Xorg" or "man Xserver" |
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| 08:10.41 | RULON | man Xorg did it |
| 08:10.43 | jim | I have the man page |
| 08:10.55 | jim | but that's not the right page |
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| 08:11.19 | jim | I don't think man X and man Xorg is the same page |
| 08:11.23 | RULON | man X is different man Xorg |
| 08:11.24 | jim | but |
| 08:11.28 | blubberdiblub | well, i have no idea what "man X" would be about if it existed here |
| 08:11.46 | jim | it's a generic description of the x window system |
| 08:11.50 | sword | The X manpages are worthless anyway. |
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| 08:12.34 | jim | unless one wants to know about it |
| 08:12.41 | RULON | so i read man Xorg or what :)? |
| 08:12.44 | sword | X server: I display pixels. Display manager: I ask for passwords. Window Manager: I am what you interact with. |
| 08:12.48 | jim | you could |
| 08:13.44 | jim | hmm, well it's not what I intended |
| 08:13.54 | jaggz- | I'm booting a rescue cd -- how do I select vmlinuz on sda2? |
| 08:14.37 | RULON | but i guess man X should be on the internet right? |
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| 08:14.49 | RULON | ill look for it |
| 08:15.05 | jim | RULON: aptitude install xorg-docs |
| 08:15.31 | jim | RULON: yes, that's a good idea too |
| 08:15.41 | jim | I found it too, see above |
| 08:15.46 | jaggz- | ie. can I use the boot cd just to get lilo, then tell lilo to use (sda1)/vmlinuz ? |
| 08:15.52 | RULON | ok |
| 08:16.16 | solar_sea | after installing samba, what else should I do to allow users to access their home directories over it ? |
| 08:16.20 | jim | sword: but it's not just the server I want him to understand more about |
| 08:16.46 | jim | if you want to see what we're talking about, follow our lead |
| 08:17.59 | RULON | jim is this the one i need to read http://www.hmug.org/man/7/X.php? :) |
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| 08:18.10 | jim | no |
| 08:18.14 | jim | well maybe |
| 08:18.18 | jim | let me look at it |
| 08:18.24 | RULON | thx :) |
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| 08:18.41 | jim | -yes-, that's ig |
| 08:18.43 | jim | it |
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| 08:19.46 | RULON | ok |
| 08:19.50 | jim | RULON: here, you'll understand a little more about what's underneath all the programs that run in x |
| 08:20.04 | RULON | im on it chief ;) |
| 08:20.06 | jim | not too much, this is pretty general |
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| 08:21.02 | jim | if you don't understand something you want to, ask. |
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| 08:24.15 | RULON | the letters of the browser are too small... i configured it with other font and letter size and it was ok but now i reopened the browser and everythins is small again... but the strange thing is the configurations is still how i setted it |
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| 08:26.25 | RULON | brb |
| 08:26.43 | jones- | Hello, I run Debian Unstable and have the following problem. I have a USB speakers set, and they work fine except in firefox+totem-plugin. (firefox+flash is fine and totem standalone is fine too). Can anyone please help? |
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| 08:33.39 | Androo | Trying to add http://debian.o-hand.com/unstable/ as a source to apt, but after an update it's still not showing the packages I want that are housed there. Any ideas? |
| 08:34.18 | esaym | any tips on making a small rsync script that once executed from the console, it will go back to the command prompt? |
| 08:34.45 | jim | Androo: take a look at: http://debian.o-hand.com/ |
| 08:34.58 | Androo | jim: I have. |
| 08:35.18 | jim | notice there is no / between com and unstable |
| 08:35.38 | Androo | jim: I realise. |
| 08:35.42 | jim | take another look, and see what actually does separate them |
| 08:36.12 | jim | well that's my idea... |
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| 08:36.35 | jim | and now you can play with it :) |
| 08:37.16 | Androo | jim: apt downloads the source just fine, but libclutter-0.6 is still missing |
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| 08:37.45 | anuj^ | hi |
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| 08:38.53 | BaD_CrC | 'deb http://debian.o-hand.com/unstable ./' should work |
| 08:38.57 | jim | ahh, this is not a mirror but just an archive |
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| 08:40.05 | RULON | how do i restart the computer when im not in the graphico mode |
| 08:40.08 | RULON | wich is the command |
| 08:40.25 | jim | restart? you could try ctrl-alt-del |
| 08:40.45 | Androo | BaD_CrC: tried it, no luck |
| 08:41.22 | Androo | RULON: "reboot" |
| 08:41.33 | RULON | jim, i did that but been in gnome and it got out and wen to the non graphico mode, dunno how that environment is called |
| 08:41.42 | RULON | but there i didnt knew how to restart |
| 08:41.47 | basanta | any alternative to qemu ? |
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| 08:41.54 | RULON | so i startx to open irc and ask :D |
| 08:42.07 | RULON | reboot right |
| 08:42.07 | BaD_CrC | basanta: virtualbox |
| 08:42.11 | Androo | basanta: Bochs |
| 08:42.13 | RULON | ok brb |
| 08:42.15 | jim | wht is it you want to restart? |
| 08:42.17 | BaD_CrC | basanta: bochs |
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| 08:43.05 | basanta | BaD_CrC, are they available in debian |
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| 08:45.02 | BaD_CrC | !info virtualbox |
| 08:45.26 | liable | wtf, oftc banned me from the server because debians fucking irssi package has a problem or something. thats a great way to run an irc network |
| 08:46.06 | BaD_CrC | heh, i haven't been to oftc/#debian in a while |
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| 08:46.41 | streuner_ | liable: who? |
| 08:47.15 | RULON | reboot didnt worked, and xdm automaticly log in into gnome. :s why dont give me the choice to boot xfce? |
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| 08:47.22 | liable | streuner_: autokick, i can connect, i was just greeted with this message from an old session. |
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| 08:48.21 | RULON | jim, are u there? |
| 08:48.26 | liable | odd thing is, the ip it shows isnt mine.. |
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| 08:48.50 | BaD_CrC | basanta: p virtualbox-ose - x86 virtualization solution - binaries |
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| 08:52.22 | alpaco | what are my choices for a cd label & cover designer? |
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| 08:54.22 | Badrobot | hi |
| 08:55.05 | Badrobot | Does anyone in here uses those Huawei/vofafone usb 3G/HSPDA modem? |
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| 08:56.11 | chemist | I have a laptop with broken video ram, is there any way to force it to use shared memory? |
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| 08:57.55 | liable | Badrobot: whats the problem? |
| 08:58.38 | Badrobot | I would like to buy a Huawei USB Modem .but i want to be sure if it will work on my distro |
| 09:00.09 | jim | RULON: not sure... never tried xfce before |
| 09:00.28 | jim | anyway... you're in good hands. |
| 09:00.32 | jim | your OWN. |
| 09:00.39 | jim | I'm goin to bed |
| 09:00.45 | maligor | Badrobot, 3G/HSDPA? |
| 09:00.55 | RULON | :0 i feel scared |
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| 09:01.29 | jim | why? |
| 09:01.32 | maligor | RULON, there's no Session button in the login? |
| 09:01.41 | RULON | ur leaving :( |
| 09:01.48 | enouf | RULON: yeah, should be listed under Session |
| 09:01.50 | RULON | hehe np dude thx a lot |
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| 09:02.02 | jim | welcome. |
| 09:02.05 | RULON | enouf, well maybe i didnt saw that button XD |
| 09:02.24 | jim | hmm... session! |
| 09:02.30 | jim | sleeeep sessssssion |
| 09:02.42 | jim | nite folks |
| 09:02.42 | RULON | wich is lighter gnome or kde? |
| 09:02.47 | enouf | RULON: also - maybe gdmsetup or something? or the xdm variant? |
| 09:03.01 | jim | they are each heavier than the other! |
| 09:03.01 | enouf | latez jimbo |
| 09:03.06 | BaD_CrC | gnome imho |
| 09:03.13 | RULON | enouf, i had gdm but i uninstalled it to run just xdm |
| 09:03.25 | enouf | RULON: want lightweight? apt-cache search x-window-manager |
| 09:03.27 | maligor | xdm should have it also I think |
| 09:03.36 | enouf | RULON: dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
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| 09:03.50 | RULON | enouf, lemme check that one |
| 09:04.02 | Badrobot | Well,those modem works on 3G and HSPDA networks |
| 09:04.03 | enouf | well, that only sets the default DM |
| 09:04.05 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 09:04.08 | Badrobot | maligor |
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| 09:04.17 | Mazingaro | please how can I see the uptime for a debian machine? |
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| 09:04.22 | RULON | enouf, i have xfce installed i think im going to keep it, but will u recommend me x-window instead of xfce? |
| 09:04.28 | enouf | if you're already seeing xdm, then likely not the issue |
| 09:04.36 | enouf | RULON: it's all up to you |
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| 09:04.52 | LinuxHelp | How do I mark my root filesystem as dirty, so that it gets checked at next reboot? |
| 09:04.54 | enouf | Mazingaro: uptime |
| 09:05.04 | jim | Mazingaro: surprised? :) |
| 09:05.06 | Mazingaro | enouf: ok, it'e enough |
| 09:05.10 | RULON | enouf, wich is the command to restar the computer |
| 09:05.10 | enouf | LinuxHelp: touch /forcefsck |
| 09:05.18 | enouf | RULON: many |
| 09:05.22 | LinuxHelp | enouf, Yes thats the one, thanks |
| 09:05.40 | enouf | LinuxHelp: shutdown -rF now works too, for immediate |
| 09:06.05 | jim | Mazingaro: of course it's enough. it's exactly what you asked for, no more, no less. |
| 09:06.09 | RULON | enouf, i want the the command to reboot from console |
| 09:06.22 | enouf | RULON: shutown -r now |
| 09:06.23 | maligor | Badrobot, E220 seems to be a usbserial device |
| 09:06.47 | RULON | shutown or shutdown? |
| 09:06.51 | enouf | man shutdown, man halt, man runlevels |
| 09:06.57 | enouf | RULON: shutdown -r now |
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| 09:06.58 | jim | anyways gnite all, I'm going |
| 09:07.02 | enouf | my bad typos |
| 09:07.06 | RULON | ok :D |
| 09:07.17 | Mazingaro | enouf: thanks |
| 09:07.17 | enouf | latez jimbo <-- 2nd time ;-) |
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| 09:07.33 | enouf | np |
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| 09:07.40 | Badrobot | yep,the E220 it's the smae |
| 09:07.44 | Badrobot | maligor |
| 09:07.49 | Mazingaro | Linux ULTRA5 2.6.22-3-sparc64 #1 Wed Feb 13 20:30:08 UTC 2008 sparc64 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:07.49 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.52 | LinuxHelp | enouf, will "shutdown -rF" prompt for user input during the check? I only have ssh access |
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| 09:08.12 | enouf | LinuxHelp: i don't believe so, mine runs auto |
| 09:08.15 | maligor | Badrobot, just google for it, there seems to be plenty of info on it |
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| 09:09.03 | enouf | LinuxHelp: it might want to reboot once again, once it runs - /msg dpkg bootlog and set that up too |
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| 09:10.13 | RULON | brb |
| 09:10.21 | enouf | LinuxHelp: the touch one should do what you want - i have mine set to auto check every 3 mounts in /etc/fstab and using tune2fs to set it (ext3) |
| 09:10.32 | enouf | i rarely reboot ;-) |
| 09:11.27 | enouf | there's a file /etc/default/rcS that has a FSCK param setting - i never altered mine |
| 09:11.40 | enouf | LinuxHelp: ^^^^^^ |
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| 09:12.03 | RULON | enouf, theres no button option in xdm |
| 09:12.16 | LinuxHelp | Also, as a different problem, I want to know if there is a built-in way to stop all programs, umount root, fsck, then mount root again, without actually rebooting the kernel itself |
| 09:12.23 | RULON | its just one box with username and password |
| 09:12.24 | enouf | RULON: i don't use xdm :-/ |
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| 09:12.32 | RULON | wich one u use? |
| 09:12.38 | enouf | none ;-) |
| 09:12.45 | LinuxHelp | Because my kernel doesn't actually reboot without special help |
| 09:12.52 | enouf | well, i lied, i guess kdm, annd autologin |
| 09:12.55 | RULON | lol well wich ones have u used? |
| 09:13.20 | enouf | !u |
| 09:13.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 09:13.27 | enouf | :-) |
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| 09:13.52 | enouf | LinuxHelp: well, erm ... |
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| 09:14.12 | enouf | LinuxHelp: not really, maybe newer kexec stuff? |
| 09:14.18 | ciop | hello, whats the codename for the next debian testing? |
| 09:14.30 | RULON | enouf, lol, wich ones have YOU used then? |
| 09:14.53 | enouf | LinuxHelp: if you have a known working kernel - you can set grub to use "failsafe" .. er "fallback" iinm, as an option |
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| 09:15.07 | enouf | ciop: after lenny? |
| 09:15.12 | LinuxHelp | OK I set "FSCKFIX=yes" in /etc/default/rcS |
| 09:15.16 | ciop | yes, after lenny |
| 09:16.13 | enouf | LinuxHelp: as i said, mine says =no, and i never had interaction upon rebooting and fsck'ing / , not sure how this is going to work out for ya, especially with a very iffy kernel as it is |
| 09:16.31 | enouf | ciop: no idea |
| 09:16.49 | enouf | don't think it's an issue just yet |
| 09:17.10 | RULON | !ya |
| 09:17.10 | dpkg | YA is Yet Another, a popular perl acronym. Ya (or yah) typically means yes or afirmative, as in the ya ya sisterhood. |
| 09:17.14 | ciop | oh ok |
| 09:17.46 | enouf | RULON: also, check out update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
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| 09:18.00 | enouf | RULON: also, check out update-alternatives --list x-www-browser too, iinm |
| 09:18.15 | ciop | thx enouf |
| 09:18.15 | LinuxHelp | enouf, I think FSCKFIX=yes is just a stronger version of the default, so that ALL questions get yes, instead of just the easy ones |
| 09:18.19 | RULON | but i want first a good desktop manager :D |
| 09:18.27 | enouf | then replace --list with --config to affect change |
| 09:18.38 | enouf | RULON: they all stink imho |
| 09:18.48 | enouf | LinuxHelp: i do too |
| 09:18.57 | RULON | well how can i lear not to use a desktop manager |
| 09:18.57 | enouf | just wanted you to be aware |
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| 09:19.15 | enouf | just keep trying , use it |
| 09:19.26 | enouf | RTFM for xdm already |
| 09:19.57 | enouf | install dlocate, run dlocate xdm, dpkg -L xdm, read read read |
| 09:20.04 | enouf | man xdm |
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| 09:20.38 | enouf | without a dm? /msg dpkg xession |
| 09:20.50 | enouf | er xsession |
| 09:20.57 | LinuxHelp | enouf, If I use tune2fs -c 1, does that mean that it will get checked *every* boot? |
| 09:21.12 | enouf | LinuxHelp: i forget offhand, i recall using -c and -C |
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| 09:22.06 | enouf | LinuxHelp: you DO have backups, right? |
| 09:22.14 | phix | so any way |
| 09:22.16 | LinuxHelp | enouf, yes |
| 09:22.36 | enouf | phix: no ubuntu here, please, thanks |
| 09:22.54 | enouf | phix: in ##linux and elsewhere, it's fine |
| 09:23.06 | enouf | elsewhere being #ubuntu :-P |
| 09:23.14 | phix | enouf: I am not ubuntu'ing here |
| 09:23.25 | phix | enouf: how are you ? |
| 09:23.52 | enouf | ehh .. ok - i should eat a little something, but i'm too juiced up wuth caffeine |
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| 09:25.28 | enouf | RULON: to learn debian though - /msg dpkg grounding |
| 09:25.49 | RULON | ok |
| 09:25.53 | enouf | (in general) |
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| 09:27.06 | wols | ah, another day, another sunday.... |
| 09:27.23 | RULON | who wrote that bot? |
| 09:27.26 | enouf | already? dang |
| 09:27.32 | RULON | that bot is 1337 |
| 09:27.38 | enouf | F'n A |
| 09:27.58 | enouf | RULON: we all contribute - well not all, but anyone can |
| 09:28.10 | Jewhanna | I hate sundays, but not this sunday :D |
| 09:28.12 | RULON | nice :) |
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| 09:28.31 | enouf | Jewhanna: getting married today? |
| 09:28.48 | Jewhanna | enouf, almost :o |
| 09:28.57 | enouf | heh |
| 09:29.09 | Jewhanna | No, tomorrow it's a study day so the teacher is not at school :D |
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| 09:30.19 | hellues | hey |
| 09:30.27 | hellues | i have a serious problem |
| 09:30.38 | hellues | debian didnt recoggnize my eternet device |
| 09:30.50 | wols | hellues: what NIC? |
| 09:30.54 | hellues | my device is realtek 8168 gigabit eternet |
| 09:30.59 | Jewhanna | And i've also serious problem :p |
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| 09:31.01 | wols | you need a newer kernel |
| 09:31.12 | hellues | hmm |
| 09:31.17 | hellues | whic versioun |
| 09:31.21 | wols | !tell hellues about backports |
| 09:31.25 | wols | so .22 or .24 I think |
| 09:31.26 | hellues | is it in ustable repo |
| 09:31.44 | wols | it is but you don#t go there |
| 09:31.48 | bkw_ | !dpkg tell hellues about kmuto |
| 09:32.00 | wols | bkw_: he already has a install |
| 09:32.11 | Jewhanna | Yesterday i tried to install tibia, the client for linux, and i writed cd Tibia/ && ./Tibia. |
| 09:32.12 | bkw_ | so? |
| 09:32.33 | bkw_ | wols: you can still use the kernel packages even if you have a running install. |
| 09:32.36 | Jewhanna | Then it said: Floating point exception |
| 09:32.44 | Jewhanna | What's wrong? .< |
| 09:32.46 | Jewhanna | :<* |
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| 09:32.51 | wols | bkw_: in which case you get it from backports. no need to download 150MB for a kernel |
| 09:33.20 | bkw_ | wols: do you find 2.6.24 in backports? |
| 09:33.21 | wols | Jewhanna: you sure your CPU is advanced enough for it? |
| 09:33.26 | Jewhanna | wols, yes |
| 09:33.54 | Jewhanna | Or, well, i played tibia in windows :p and it worked |
| 09:34.20 | wols | bkw_: apparently not |
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| 09:34.30 | wols | but aforementioned .22 is |
| 09:34.46 | wols | Jewhanna: what cpu? |
| 09:34.58 | wols | Jewhanna: maybe compile it yourself and try? |
| 09:35.08 | Jewhanna | wols, how do i check what cpu i have? :o |
| 09:35.29 | hellues | wols |
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| 09:35.33 | Jewhanna | wols, haha i don't know how to compile :p |
| 09:35.39 | bkw_ | wols: anyway it doesn't hurt having a netboot cd on your desk that can be used in case of reinstall |
| 09:35.42 | enouf | oh yeah, this horseradish sauce w/chili peppers + sliced raw onion really helps this bland tunafish salad ;-) |
| 09:35.43 | hellues | if i compile kernel-image-2.6.24-1 |
| 09:35.47 | hellues | sorry |
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| 09:36.05 | Jewhanna | roxazer :O |
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| 09:36.16 | hellues | linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 and its source its headers file its path its tree |
| 09:36.24 | hellues | does realterk wok |
| 09:37.19 | chemist | is there anyway to force xorg to use shared memory instead of the gfx cards' own? |
| 09:37.42 | RULON | what is debian sarge? how can i know wich one is mine? :D |
| 09:37.44 | bkw_ | hellues: it is easier to get kmutos package than building your own kernel |
| 09:37.58 | hellues | !msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:38.05 | hellues | !msg dpkg sid backport |
| 09:38.11 | wols | !sarge |
| 09:38.12 | dpkg | sarge is, like, Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/i386/iso-cd/ Security support for Sarge finishes on March 31 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). Ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
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| 09:38.21 | wols | !tell RULON about version |
| 09:38.24 | hellues | !sid backport |
| 09:38.38 | hellues | !backport |
| 09:38.38 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 09:38.43 | wols | hellues: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:38.47 | wols | then it will work |
| 09:38.49 | hellues | sorry |
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| 09:39.46 | enouf | hellues: do /topic, do /msg dpkg msg the bot, do /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 09:43.46 | sigjuice | hi |
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| 09:45.05 | sigjuice | I'm running sid (AMD64). I can't seem to find the package containing 32-bit libssl |
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| 09:46.36 | sepski | is it possible to have the calendar i kde show hollidays ? |
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| 09:47.52 | mateusz | Hi |
| 09:48.00 | mateusz | how to check if process has 64bit computing? |
| 09:48.09 | gvaccine | j ##c++ |
| 09:48.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | mateusz, pardon? |
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| 09:49.09 | mateusz | How to check if processor has 64 architecure |
| 09:49.18 | mateusz | I have Intel Xeon Quad 3Ghz |
| 09:49.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | that would have to be 64 bit. `cat /proc/cpuinfo` should tell you |
| 09:49.59 | mateusz | Kamping_Kaiser, it does not tell |
| 09:50.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | mateusz, then look it up on intels website |
| 09:50.45 | mateusz | Kamping_Kaiser, nothing |
| 09:50.56 | mateusz | Kamping_Kaiser, intel only says that 3300 are 64bit |
| 09:51.03 | mateusz | and nothing about 3000 series |
| 09:51.20 | mateusz | moreover I dont know which one I have, cause I log via ssh |
| 09:51.37 | mateusz | Kamping_Kaiser, is it possible to check it with software? |
| 09:51.45 | mateusz | Kamping_Kaiser, over ssh? |
| 09:51.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | mateusz, try dmidecode |
| 09:52.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | cant be sure though |
| 09:52.51 | wols | mateusz: cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell you |
| 09:52.59 | mateusz | wols, it does not |
| 09:53.04 | wols | you ar lying |
| 09:53.10 | mateusz | wols, die |
| 09:53.11 | wols | pastebin your output of the command |
| 09:53.15 | mateusz | ok |
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| 09:53.30 | hellues_ | hey |
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| 09:54.04 | hellues_ | are there a module for realterk 8168 gigbit eternet in linux-image 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 09:54.55 | wols | !tell hellues about hcl |
| 09:54.58 | mateusz | wols, http://cannibal.kaduk.net/~mateusz/cpuinfo.txt |
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| 09:56.48 | mateusz | wols, where does it say ? |
| 09:57.30 | mateusz | wols, you're laying |
| 09:57.46 | wols | how did you know? my bed is so comoftable |
| 09:57.47 | wohnout | Hello everybody, I have debian server and some package installed libgtk and i don't use X. How can I get off this? |
| 09:57.53 | wols | now go away and insult othre people |
| 09:58.19 | wols | wohnout: cause you didn't install X. xclients don't have a X server as dependency |
| 09:58.41 | wols | wohnout: install xorg |
| 09:58.51 | wohnout | i don't want X |
| 09:58.52 | mateusz | hellues, any ideas? |
| 09:59.15 | mateusz | wohnout, dont listen to wols, he is rude |
| 09:59.21 | wols | wohnout: what package did you install that installed libgtk? |
| 09:59.35 | wohnout | don't know. I want to discover it |
| 09:59.39 | Coweater | remove libgtk? what are you trying to get off |
| 09:59.49 | wols | you should know what you told apt to install... |
| 10:00.20 | wohnout | :) |
| 10:00.20 | streuner_ | wols: use ignore - less headaches |
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| 10:00.32 | streuner_ | mateusz: ^^^ - for you the same :-) |
| 10:00.34 | wols | streuner_: for mateusz or wohnout? |
| 10:00.45 | streuner_ | thats up to you |
| 10:00.57 | wols | it really is a sunday |
| 10:01.15 | mateusz | streuner_, he called me lair ! |
| 10:01.21 | streuner_ | so use ignore |
| 10:01.34 | mateusz | streuner_, I know what what I am writing I am not dumb ;/ |
| 10:01.38 | mateusz | streuner_, ok.. sorry |
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| 10:06.55 | hellues_ | what is hcl |
| 10:07.03 | streuner_ | !hcl |
| 10:07.03 | dpkg | it has been said that hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 10:07.12 | hellues_ | anything dont ccome to me when you whot tell about hcl wols |
| 10:07.31 | streuner_ | wols: well, with this attitude you are going to have in future more headaches for sure |
| 10:07.32 | wols | you are mistaken: 10:55 <dpkg> told hellues about hcl (methinks hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/,... |
| 10:08.01 | wols | damn, you got a new nick |
| 10:08.06 | wols | *sigh* |
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| 10:10.10 | hellues_ | streuner_, |
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| 10:10.25 | hellues_ | i am using realterk 8168 gigbit ethernet |
| 10:10.37 | hellues_ | are there a driver for debian lenny debian doesnt recognize |
| 10:10.45 | streuner_ | !listvals 8168 |
| 10:10.47 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8168' by value (1): rfc1371. |
| 10:11.00 | hellues_ | or are there a module in linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 10:11.13 | maligor | weird, my dpkg.log shows something like 30 lines of: unpacked libsane 1.0.19-2 |
| 10:11.21 | streuner_ | hellues_: did you use kmuto's hcl website? |
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| 10:11.28 | maligor | I guess dpkg really liked doing it |
| 10:11.43 | hellues_ | where is kmuto |
| 10:12.02 | streuner_ | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 10:12.18 | wols | hellues_: you've been ALL told this before. why do you continue to ask? |
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| 10:16.03 | hellues_ | wols, this address doesnt have my card |
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| 10:16.53 | streuner_ | hellues_: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
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| 10:17.19 | hellues_ | actually i dont know i am installing new debian system to my friend |
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| 10:17.48 | hellues_ | while installing from cd debian says it does not have support for you eternet drive |
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| 10:19.37 | hellues_ | streuner_, my card realtek rtl 8168/ 8111 gigabit ethernet nic |
| 10:20.07 | mateusz | streuner_, is it possible to upgrade from i386 installation to amd64 ? |
| 10:20.11 | techouse | uunbeatable is spamming around :P |
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| 10:20.59 | wols | techouse: yes he is. already told #freenode. however he is not in this channel directly so he can't be banned. and no oper around |
| 10:21.00 | streuner_ | techouse: yes, feel free to tell #freenode about |
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| 10:21.22 | techouse | k |
| 10:21.24 | streuner_ | mateusz: if you want amd64 just read /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 10:21.37 | streuner_ | mateusz: specially the FAQ there |
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| 10:22.20 | mateusz | streuner_, thank You |
| 10:22.50 | streuner_ | hellues_: is in the box another NIC already installed? |
| 10:23.20 | streuner_ | there might be issues in Linux, as far as i saw that in usenet... |
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| 10:32.52 | streuner_ | hellues_: what kind of debian-installer do you use? |
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| 10:33.57 | mateusz | streuner_, how check how much phisical memory is available ? |
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| 10:34.49 | streuner_ | mateusz: free? |
| 10:34.55 | hellues_ | lenny |
| 10:35.13 | hellues_ | streuner_, i am using lenny |
| 10:35.24 | streuner_ | hellues_: show us the exact URL where you download that iso |
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| 10:35.33 | hellues_ | oki |
| 10:35.38 | hellues_ | just a second |
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| 10:37.00 | hellues_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
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| 10:37.14 | uunbeatable | ##Linux on Dalnet needs some good company and good channel operators. type /server -m irc.dal.net (or /connect irc.dal.net) and join ##Linux. Be there for some time. |
| 10:37.27 | wols | wohoo. the bad lenny installre as usual |
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| 10:37.31 | hellues_ | streuner_, this is the link download aded |
| 10:37.41 | wols | !ops ban uunbeatable please for spamming |
| 10:37.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: ban uunbeatable please for spamming |
| 10:37.42 | hellues_ | muhahahhaaha |
| 10:37.47 | hellues_ | why wols |
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| 10:37.58 | up_the_irons | hey guys, when I build a .deb and the last line says "dpkg-buildpackage: full upload (original source is included)", how do I extract the source out of the .deb? |
| 10:38.03 | wols | hellues_: a) this is not etch b) this is buggy |
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| 10:38.10 | hellues_ | this is from debian web site muhahahah |
| 10:38.15 | azeem | up_the_irons: you don't |
| 10:38.44 | up_the_irons | azeem: so it's just included with the .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz, etc.. ? |
| 10:38.48 | hellues_ | wols, it is crappy |
| 10:38.50 | azeem | up_the_irons: it means that the .changes file you generated contains a source package (.orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz. .dsc) besides the binary .debs |
| 10:38.58 | up_the_irons | azeem: gotcha |
| 10:39.01 | up_the_irons | azeem: thanks |
| 10:39.05 | hellues_ | what should i downad gimme a link pls :D |
| 10:39.13 | wols | hellues_: you didn't read. you suffer |
| 10:39.22 | streuner_ | * uunbeatable hat die Verbindung getrennt (K-lined) |
| 10:39.41 | hellues_ | i am sorry i didnt see |
| 10:39.47 | wols | hellues_: you've been told several times by now. if you don't listen, your problem. we don't like to wste our time by repateadly telling people who don't listen |
| 10:40.02 | hellues_ | by the way debian in my laptop works perfectly |
| 10:40.30 | hellues_ | same installer |
| 10:40.33 | darius12 | What is the deal with packages using debconf and ucf? |
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| 10:41.18 | darius12 | It seems ucf-3.005 hangs during pdns installation here due to this problem (debian lenny) |
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| 10:41.46 | aoeu | how can i kill flash in mozilla, but keep it in firefox? |
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| 10:42.00 | hellues_ | i makemy friend debian user he wants debian :D wols can you give an address for debian pls help me in the subject |
| 10:42.10 | aoeu | i fscking hate flash ads |
| 10:42.16 | streuner_ | hellues_: did you ever use google? |
| 10:42.18 | aoeu | they sit in the background and eat up all my cpu |
| 10:42.20 | hellues_ | i am using intel 64bit |
| 10:42.25 | streuner_ | hellues_: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#2 |
| 10:42.30 | hellues_ | yes |
| 10:42.48 | streuner_ | hellues_: thats the alternative way, just use the driver of realtek |
| 10:43.12 | wols | streuner_: realtek.com drivers? you are very funny |
| 10:43.20 | hellues_ | muha |
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| 10:44.10 | streuner_ | hellues_: first of all check out dmesg about the NIC and does the kernel regonized your NIC |
| 10:44.21 | enouf | aoeu: use a browser that doesn't support crap |
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| 10:44.32 | enouf | aoeu: like links2 -g |
| 10:44.37 | streuner_ | hellues_: dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 10:44.38 | hellues_ | streuner_, i am using intel 64bit pls can you give an address for debian installer pls |
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| 10:44.45 | aoeu | hmm, maybe i could use something like privoxy |
| 10:44.53 | nios | Hey ist possible to share a printer over nfs ? |
| 10:45.02 | streuner_ | hellues_: amd64? /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 10:45.06 | aoeu | like have privoxy keep a whitelist of sites which are allowed to serve .swf files |
| 10:45.22 | wols | nios: no. but you can share it easily with cups |
| 10:45.24 | enouf | aoeu: swf sucks ass - your choice |
| 10:45.25 | hellues_ | my |
| 10:45.31 | hellues_ | motherboard intel streuner_ |
| 10:45.39 | flokuehn | su |
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| 10:45.50 | enouf | aoeu: most well known bloated browsers have plugins to allow/disallow |
| 10:45.53 | streuner_ | hellues_: so, what kind of CPU is this? |
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| 10:46.13 | hellues_ | streuner_, eth0 : rtl 8168 / 8111 b |
| 10:46.14 | aoeu | swf would be more managable if it wasn't used for advertisements imho |
| 10:46.20 | streuner_ | DOH |
| 10:46.24 | enouf | i disalllow all, unless i directly want to see say a youtube flv, which is what wget and.or mplayer do |
| 10:46.30 | enouf | no bloated browsers here |
| 10:46.32 | hellues_ | streuner_, intel core 2 duo 64 bit |
| 10:46.36 | aoeu | whoever thought of making ads in flash needs to be shot |
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| 10:46.55 | enouf | aoeu: kinda cuts like a knife? |
| 10:47.13 | enouf | that's EXACTLY why it was made |
| 10:47.20 | enouf | and all the weenies sucked it up |
| 10:47.20 | streuner_ | hellues_: should be i686, well, official debian kernel(s) support smp by default |
| 10:47.31 | hellues_ | hmm |
| 10:47.34 | GhostInTheShell | ls |
| 10:47.36 | hellues_ | can you give a link |
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| 10:47.44 | GhostInTheShell | damn, kbd |
| 10:47.48 | enouf | so, be a weenie and support it, or don't support it and leave the sheeple herd behind |
| 10:47.49 | hellues_ | acctually i wrote debian installer in google |
| 10:47.55 | hellues_ | and i download i386 netinst |
| 10:48.04 | hellues_ | is it correct ? |
| 10:48.36 | streuner_ | yes, you could download another kernel later, but first make the NIC to work |
| 10:48.57 | aoeu | it'd do the internet a favor, and make the internet the internet again |
| 10:48.59 | streuner_ | Debian without i-net is pretty painful ™ |
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| 10:49.15 | aoeu | websites completely in flash is not what the internet was meant to be |
| 10:49.20 | streuner_ | hm |
| 10:49.24 | wols | streuner_: why another kernel? |
| 10:49.25 | hellues_ | oki |
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| 10:51.29 | hellues_ | i actually think install debian lenny from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ mae it os to computer after get the kernel from unstable repo and make eternet device recognize to computer what do you think |
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| 10:51.58 | wols | !tell hellues_ about bobbitt |
| 10:51.58 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 10:51.59 | hellues_ | streuner_, |
| 10:52.08 | itchi | Hi how can i check the speed of a network card? I want to see if it is 10 or 100 MBit |
| 10:52.22 | wols | hellues_: 2.6.18 recognizes your ethernet so no need |
| 10:52.23 | enouf | itchi: ethtool |
| 10:52.24 | Haris1 | What does this report from bonnie show about disk read/write status -> http://rafb.net/p/JaxzGD45.html ? |
| 10:52.30 | itchi | enouf: Thanks |
| 10:52.45 | Haris1 | is it good? bad? |
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| 10:53.27 | hellues_ | wols, 2.6.22 doesnt recognize are you sure about 2.6.18 |
| 10:53.50 | wols | hellues_: your dmesg proves it recognizes it |
| 10:53.59 | wols | 11:46 < hellues_> streuner_, eth0 : rtl 8168 / 8111 b |
| 10:54.13 | wols | it's a buggy installer not the kernel |
| 10:55.52 | hellues_ | hmm |
| 10:55.54 | Haris1 | 2) I changed values for hostname in /etc/hosts, do I need to reboot for them to take affect? the change was from hostname to hostname.domain.tld |
| 10:56.17 | wols | !tell Haris1 about hostname |
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| 10:56.53 | hellues_ | how can i find 2.6.18 because i will download debian lenny from debian web site its kernel is 2.6.22 |
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| 10:56.58 | Haris1 | ./etc/hostname already has the hostname I want |
| 10:57.00 | hellues_ | wols, |
| 10:57.10 | Haris1 | that's hostname.domain.tld |
| 10:57.22 | dimir | Morning! |
| 10:57.23 | Haris1 | but that's not implemented in /bin/hostname's output |
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| 10:58.44 | Spee_Der | Good morning folks |
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| 10:59.55 | Spee_Der | hellues_, you could use something like Synaptic or Aptitude to locate the kernel you are looking for. |
| 11:00.43 | enouf | Haris1: man -k hostname? man setdomainname |
| 11:00.45 | enouf | ? |
| 11:01.29 | xushi | hi all |
| 11:01.33 | xushi | for the past week, i'm getting daily kernel panics while just idling and doing nothing.. this is the error: "kernel panic: not syncing HOST_MSG_LOOP with invalid SCB ff". Does it mean anything to you ? |
| 11:01.58 | hellues_ | i am not lokking for kernel i want to install debian to computer Spee_Der |
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| 11:02.06 | nios | Im trying to install nfs with apt but no luck, can someone please take a look on it http://pastebin.com/m1b7ee9b6 |
| 11:02.11 | hellues_ | my mainboard intel 64bit core 2 dxuo |
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| 11:02.24 | hellues_ | ethernet card is rtl 8168 8111 |
| 11:02.39 | hellues_ | debian install said you card didnt find |
| 11:02.42 | Haris1 | checking. How about the disk test result? |
| 11:02.51 | wols | xushi: check the calltrace |
| 11:02.55 | hellues_ | wols, said it is not about the kernel it is about buggy installer |
| 11:03.07 | xushi | wols: i can't find any.. and can't figure out how to get it |
| 11:03.14 | DGnome | hellues_: try a backported installer? |
| 11:03.19 | hellues_ | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 11:03.25 | hellues_ | is it buggy wols |
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| 11:03.32 | xushi | I tried installing this magic SysRq, but it wouldn't catch any of my commands... |
| 11:03.33 | hellues_ | how can i find backport installer |
| 11:03.35 | xushi | not sure what else to do |
| 11:03.49 | enouf | xushi: aic7xxx related |
| 11:03.50 | DGnome | hellues_: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/ <-- use at own risk :) |
| 11:03.59 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.seq .. plugin your kernel version |
| 11:04.01 | hellues_ | oki |
| 11:04.04 | xushi | enouf: ouch, that's my main SCSI hard drive which has the OS |
| 11:04.17 | xushi | strange though, i haven't updated anything lately |
| 11:04.22 | enouf | xushi: you were the guy with the smartctl tests ? |
| 11:04.28 | xushi | enouf: yep |
| 11:04.32 | enouf | xushi: and the 2003 scsi stuff ;-) |
| 11:04.33 | hellues_ | i use tyo taking risk i have used ubuntu it is said in the plt repo :D |
| 11:04.38 | xushi | hehe, yes :) |
| 11:04.44 | xushi | i'm getting famous.. :) |
| 11:04.59 | enouf | xushi: i just recall watching :-p |
| 11:05.17 | xushi | the hard drive seems healthy, from the smart tests. |
| 11:05.22 | hellues_ | DGnome, |
| 11:05.25 | hellues_ | there is 3 |
| 11:05.32 | hellues_ | etch installer |
| 11:05.39 | hellues_ | which one is best ? |
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| 11:05.54 | azeem | hellues_: please try to rephrase your question |
| 11:05.55 | DGnome | hellues_: first go for the right architecture, amd64 is closest to yours |
| 11:06.04 | DGnome | hellues_: then just take the newest :) |
| 11:06.15 | hellues_ | sorry |
| 11:06.28 | xushi | is there a way to tell the kernel to automatically print out a call trace when a panic happens? |
| 11:06.32 | hellues_ | my mainboard intel actually |
| 11:06.40 | DGnome | hellues_: emt64 == amd64 |
| 11:06.44 | hellues_ | DGnome, are you sure about amd63 |
| 11:06.47 | tdn | I am trying to make virtual users work with vsftpd and pam, but for some reason, my db with the virtual users is ignored. Local system users *are* allowed login, but the virtual users are not. My /etc/vsftpd.conf is here : http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1077.html, I /etc/pam.d/ftp a symbolic link to /etc/vsftpd.pam, which can be seen here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1078.html. |
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| 11:07.02 | enouf | xushi: 2.4.x kernel? |
| 11:07.03 | DGnome | hellues_: yes im sure, do you want 64bit OS? |
| 11:07.13 | hellues_ | yes |
| 11:07.18 | hellues_ | hmm oki |
| 11:07.25 | DGnome | hellues_: then select an amd64 isntaller |
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| 11:07.28 | xushi | enouf: no, 2.6.22 on amd64 |
| 11:07.31 | hellues_ | oki |
| 11:07.43 | enouf | xushi: odd http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=not+syncing+HOST_MSG_LOOP+with+invalid&hl=en&btnG=Search+Code |
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| 11:08.03 | hellues_ | DGnome, so there is three installer which one should i choose |
| 11:08.23 | xushi | enouf: indeed... |
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| 11:08.34 | xushi | i'd start by asking what SCB stands for :) |
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| 11:09.15 | DGnome | hellues_: this one... learn to read: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.24/amd64/etch-custom-0215.iso |
| 11:09.47 | xushi | all the reports i keep seeing are related to 2.4 kernel |
| 11:10.10 | hellues_ | oki |
| 11:10.38 | enouf | #define SCB (scsiCmdBlock) |
| 11:10.44 | enouf | xushi: ^^^^ |
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| 11:11.01 | DGnome | hellues_: as i said, first select architecture, amd64 gives you the most out of your hardware and then select the latest... |
| 11:11.09 | hellues_ | thanks |
| 11:11.15 | hellues_ | everything cool |
| 11:11.23 | hellues_ | ok\ey |
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| 11:11.36 | xushi | ok, /var/log/messages and dmesg show nothing.. in fact, they only show this boot's info. nothing about last boot |
| 11:11.52 | xushi | is there any way possible to record the crash when it happens ? so next time i reboot, i have a file to examine ? |
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| 11:11.54 | l0c4lh0st | No luck with the ARM9 Debian RT73 module yesterday... It installed fine, I can use wlan0, but when scanning it shows no results. |
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| 11:13.11 | l0c4lh0st | And when I put the WLAN USB stick in my Windows machine, and then hit scan, it finds at least 3 APs. |
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| 11:15.03 | tdn | Does anyone have the time to help me set up vsftpd with virtual users? |
| 11:16.31 | xushi | http://rafb.net/p/fx4e2851.html the last few messages... |
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| 11:19.58 | Marchewa | How to unmount a partition which is mounted in /var ? |
| 11:20.10 | azeem | Marchewa: umount |
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| 11:20.20 | Ace2016 | don't think you can, var has lots of log files and stuff there |
| 11:20.24 | Marchewa | azeem: Device is busy |
| 11:20.32 | dto | did something change in the last few months regarding ghostscript? or maybe my configuration is wrong? all pdf and postscript rendered by gs looks bad now, with seemingly wrong antialiasing |
| 11:20.34 | azeem | Marchewa: you didn't mention that |
| 11:20.39 | Ace2016 | why do you want to unmount that? |
| 11:20.40 | Marchewa | I need to combine 3 partitions and mount it again |
| 11:20.44 | azeem | Marchewa: where exactly is it mounted? |
| 11:20.48 | darius12 | Marchewa: lsof | grep /var |
| 11:20.48 | enouf | xushi: you need to dump, or serial cosole, or gdb |
| 11:20.50 | dto | whereas the dvi in xdvi looks immaculate and clear |
| 11:20.54 | Ace2016 | do it with a livecd thats the best way |
| 11:20.56 | azeem | Marchewa: you might have to boot to single-user mode then, dunno |
| 11:21.04 | Marchewa | ok |
| 11:21.18 | Laser | Maakuth: why do u need to umount it? |
| 11:21.25 | Marchewa | it's too small |
| 11:21.36 | Marchewa | mounted on 0,5 GB partition |
| 11:21.37 | Laser | single-user mode |
| 11:21.51 | Marchewa | I'll change it to 2,5 GB or so |
| 11:21.55 | Marchewa | thanks |
| 11:22.10 | Marchewa | Laser: Are you sure this will work? |
| 11:22.16 | Laser | reboot and at the boot loader 'boot -s' |
| 11:22.17 | Laser | yes |
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| 11:22.21 | Marchewa | ok |
| 11:22.32 | enouf | xushi: which iosched are you using? |
| 11:22.34 | Laser | oops wrong channel |
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| 11:22.42 | Marchewa | I'll have a try, bye |
| 11:22.44 | Laser | Maakuth: sorry. |
| 11:22.54 | XoX | does debianized kernel have 8101e RTL driver |
| 11:22.54 | l0c4lh0st | Wow, this apt-get upgrade was so needed :) |
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| 11:23.09 | Ace2016 | l0c4lh0st: what was upgraded? |
| 11:23.16 | DA-Laptop | Has something gone wrong with the flashplayer-mozilla package in sid lately? |
| 11:23.17 | xushi | enouf: erm, .. |
| 11:23.25 | enouf | xushi: what's cat /sys/block/hda/queue/scheduler say ? |
| 11:23.29 | enouf | erm |
| 11:23.30 | DA-Laptop | After upgrading it, the proprietary flash refuses to run again |
| 11:23.32 | l0c4lh0st | Ace2016: like, almost every package. It's still doing it's thing though. |
| 11:23.37 | XoX | i dont see it |
| 11:23.45 | l0c4lh0st | Most important are PHP, MySQL and Apache |
| 11:23.48 | xushi | enouf: noop deadline [cfq] |
| 11:23.57 | enouf | xushi: erm, that'll be /sys/class/scsi_host/queue/scheduler |
| 11:24.12 | Ace2016 | DA-Laptop: yea i had problems with flash and the opera web browser, i had to update to the latest weekly to get all the plugins to work, mplayer and flash work now, haven't crashed in the last 2 days |
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| 11:24.40 | enouf | xushi: read http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/block/switching-sched.txt and its parent docs |
| 11:24.43 | DA-Laptop | Ace2016: Mind linking me to it, please? |
| 11:24.43 | xushi | enouf there is no queue in scsi_host/ just 14 hosts numbered from host0/ to host13/ |
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| 11:24.46 | Ace2016 | from which repository was flash installed from? |
| 11:24.57 | DA-Laptop | uhm...good question |
| 11:24.58 | enouf | xushi: well, do for each maybe |
| 11:25.07 | xushi | enouf: but cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler did give me the output above |
| 11:25.09 | Ace2016 | DA-Laptop: is firefox effect also? |
| 11:25.14 | xushi | where sda is my scsi disk |
| 11:25.30 | l0c4lh0st | Ack, Samba is being upgraded too, I hope it'll still work after it's done. Last time it went nuts. |
| 11:25.33 | enouf | xushi: ok, then try each sda - adj or whatever you have too |
| 11:25.37 | DA-Laptop | Ace2016: Marillat, I think. apt-cache show flashplayer-mozilla says: Maintainer: Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org> |
| 11:25.48 | enouf | er sda => sdj |
| 11:25.58 | xushi | enouf: for what exactly? just to make sure |
| 11:26.05 | xushi | because i only have 1 scsi disk in the machine |
| 11:26.09 | enouf | yes |
| 11:26.14 | enouf | oh? |
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| 11:26.27 | xushi | 1 scsi disk (sda), and some 10 sata |
| 11:26.29 | enouf | why so many in your pastebin ? |
| 11:26.36 | l0c4lh0st | I'm wondering if the new lenny will run on my slug ^^ |
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| 11:26.43 | l0c4lh0st | But I am sooo not gonna try that out. |
| 11:26.45 | xushi | 5 raid1 sets of sata :) |
| 11:26.52 | enouf | omg |
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| 11:27.03 | xushi | another 4 sets waiting to be installed once this problem is fixed... |
| 11:27.17 | xushi | but the scsi is just as-is, single disk, sda, which is what's giving my problems afaik |
| 11:27.23 | enouf | great - hope you really know your PSUs as well |
| 11:27.30 | Ace2016 | I have flashplugin-nonfree maintained by Bart Martens from contrib |
| 11:27.41 | xushi | enouf: don't get me started on PSUs :) |
| 11:27.42 | DA-Laptop | Whoa |
| 11:27.43 | enouf | xushi: look at those errors though |
| 11:27.47 | DA-Laptop | Ace2016: Mind linking me to it? |
| 11:28.00 | Ace2016 | deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 11:28.01 | Ace2016 | deb-src http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 11:28.12 | xushi | enouf: these errors seem fine to me.. the disks get overheated. And i;ll run long smart tests on them anyway, but i doubt they are the cause of my panic |
| 11:28.12 | DA-Laptop | thanks |
| 11:28.13 | enouf | xushi: look at which drives they are attached to - one said sdb, one sdg ? |
| 11:28.14 | aoeu | enouf, i just killed flash in both of my browsers, im going to see how things go with my cpu usage |
| 11:28.14 | Ace2016 | thats about it |
| 11:28.31 | xushi | enouf: yea, they do get overheated.. |
| 11:28.33 | enouf | aoeu: win win |
| 11:28.34 | Haris1 | I'm only getting 14 - 20 MB/s read/write speed on a SCSI disk |
| 11:28.37 | enouf | xushi: not good |
| 11:28.41 | Haris1 | is that normal? for raid0 or raid 1 |
| 11:28.57 | Haris1 | locally that is, not over lan |
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| 11:29.16 | xushi | but the panic talked about host_msg_loop, which from what i gathered is the scsi part of my machine |
| 11:29.16 | aoeu | enouf, the only thing i used flash for ever was youtube, and the videos in youtube never had sound, which i guess was a good thing :) |
| 11:29.25 | enouf | aoeu: haha |
| 11:29.25 | aoeu | the one thing thats worse than flash ads is flash ads with sound |
| 11:29.42 | Ace2016 | meh i just block advertising domains |
| 11:29.50 | xushi | enouf: i can come back tomorrow when it happens again with more info.. if you plz tell me a way to print out stack trace or a way to store it |
| 11:29.51 | enouf | aoeu: i fire up mplayer, i parse out the direct url , or use wget |
| 11:29.53 | xushi | so i can copy/paste it |
| 11:29.54 | Ace2016 | its easy and you never seem them again |
| 11:30.35 | XoX | anyone know the name of the module for RTL8101E nic |
| 11:30.35 | aoeu | enouf, ya ive used youtube downloaders before |
| 11:30.35 | enouf | aoeu: or use the youtube-dl pkg |
| 11:30.35 | enouf | aoeu: not me |
| 11:30.35 | enouf | i do it direct |
| 11:30.35 | Nyle | i just go to youtube in icewweasel |
| 11:30.37 | Ace2016 | i usually use keepvid to download from youtube |
| 11:30.46 | Nyle | dunno what the flash hate bandwagon is |
| 11:30.50 | Nyle | but I'm staying off it |
| 11:31.02 | Nyle | stupid closeminded people |
| 11:31.08 | enouf | xushi: i don't know - but you have bigger issues, overheating disks, perhaps weak PSUs, who knows |
| 11:31.15 | aoeu | still the only time i ever d/l something from youtube is when someone wants me to show me something (someone who has no idea that youtube isn't the only place to get videos - youtube is crap) |
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| 11:31.33 | enouf | aoeu: bingo |
| 11:31.38 | Nyle | no |
| 11:31.40 | Nyle | youtube is fine |
| 11:31.45 | enouf | sucks ass |
| 11:31.55 | azeem | dudes, get a room |
| 11:32.01 | Nyle | its gonig great, and you are crap |
| 11:32.04 | xushi | enouf: the disks are not overheating that much, and can survive for another 2 months until they get a bigger case. That's no problem. The PSU is a 600W, and i've calculated it, it's powerful... I've done my own tests with a 300W and they were interesting :) |
| 11:32.10 | xushi | my main concern is this panic.. |
| 11:32.14 | frog | can someone help me with fixing path for latex? i can't compile anything aftetr update |
| 11:32.18 | enouf | xushi: haha |
| 11:32.26 | xushi | if it's hardware based, some kernel bug that mesteriously came up.. |
| 11:32.29 | enouf | xushi: i don't know is my answer |
| 11:32.30 | xushi | enouf: hehe, 1 sec, let me get you a link |
| 11:32.38 | Nyle | and I loved those animations too :) |
| 11:33.03 | xushi | enouf: http://waskucity.com/showpost.php?p=3106&postcount=2 |
| 11:33.05 | enouf | xushi: go read about gdb, and how to dump your FS |
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| 11:33.21 | xushi | enouf: o_O gdb can dump after kernel panics ? |
| 11:33.26 | Nyle | my 8th grade teacher gave me my first copy of html 1.1 syntax and tips, been doing web stuff ever since, I don't see anything wrong with flash, only with the way a lot of sites use it |
| 11:33.37 | Nyle | flash is fine, youtube is fine, you are the one with the problem |
| 11:33.39 | Ace2016 | how can you dump after kernel panics? |
| 11:33.51 | azeem | Nyle: please discuss this elsewhere |
| 11:33.52 | xushi | Ace2016: wish i knew.. |
| 11:33.59 | Nyle | azeem: right o |
| 11:34.05 | enouf | you people are really not reading well |
| 11:34.15 | xingu | Nyle: point being, if it weren't for h.264, youtube's flash-wrappered pile would be encoded in something far worse; the flash-wrap adds nothing but obstacles to innovation |
| 11:34.16 | Nyle | enouf: go sit down ;) |
| 11:34.28 | enouf | Nyle: not you |
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| 11:34.32 | enouf | you read fine |
| 11:34.38 | Nyle | why thank you |
| 11:34.42 | Nyle | :) |
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| 11:34.55 | enouf | your swf march is nonsense, but hey, OT, so nm ;-) |
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| 11:35.05 | xushi | enouf: anyway, check out my link.. you'll see what it took to bring down a 300W psu :) |
| 11:35.26 | enouf | xushi: who says it's good for your other hardware? |
| 11:35.36 | Nyle | I just hate bandwagons thats all. I try to be mindful of all issues. You don't like youtube, don't bitch about it here, just don't use it. |
| 11:35.38 | Ace2016 | xushi: what link i want to see that |
| 11:35.46 | Nyle | anyway you're draggin me into it again |
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| 11:35.49 | Nyle | argh. |
| 11:35.52 | xushi | Ace2016: http://waskucity.com/showpost.php?p=3106&postcount=2 |
| 11:36.01 | enouf | sure, many things work undervolted and whatnot, for periods of time == sure way to shorten lifespan |
| 11:36.04 | xushi | enouf: it isn't ... but some things must be sacreficed in the name of rel.. err.. science |
| 11:36.13 | aoeu | would have been much faster and higher quality |
| 11:36.22 | wols | enouf: huh? undervolting is a way tos horten lifespan? come again? |
| 11:36.32 | Nyle | enouf: wanna know something unny? |
| 11:36.34 | Nyle | funny |
| 11:36.46 | Nyle | somehow my etch server turned into a lenny server last night |
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| 11:36.55 | Nyle | I can't really remember how it happened |
| 11:37.16 | Nyle | I logged into the wrong box |
| 11:37.30 | Nyle | I was gonna update my sarge box to sid (yes yes i know, go away) |
| 11:37.36 | maligor | was CH3CH2OH involved? |
| 11:37.38 | enouf | wols: out of supposed operational range? can you tell me exactly how a weak PSU compensates to keep the 12v servos going in HDDs ? and what those HDDs electronics both 12v and 5v are going through? |
| 11:38.09 | wols | enouf: if you undervolt, you don't undervolt the PSU (that would mean you give it less thant 110V or such) but you undervolt the CPU |
| 11:38.12 | enouf | wanna talk spikes? or high heels :-P |
| 11:38.18 | Nyle | yeh |
| 11:38.20 | xushi | just tested the other disks, they all seem fine.. just little overheated |
| 11:38.23 | Nyle | I thought we all knew that |
| 11:38.25 | enouf | why is everyone not reading? |
| 11:38.30 | enouf | oh yeah, its sunday |
| 11:38.34 | wols | a undervolted CPU lives longer (less heat). If you strain the PSU past its rating, yes it will die faster, but htat'S not undervolting |
| 11:38.40 | enouf | nobody said undervolt a PSU |
| 11:38.50 | xingu | mmm, brown |
| 11:38.51 | wols | < enouf> sure, many things work undervolted and whatnot, for periods of time == sure way to shorten lifespan |
| 11:39.00 | enouf | wols: COMPONENTS!!!!!! |
| 11:39.04 | Nyle | I have a core2 duo that runs default 1866mnhz,266fsb, at 1.35000vcore. I run it at 3500mhz, 500fsb, 1.27500v |
| 11:39.09 | Nyle | THAT is undervolting imo |
| 11:39.14 | xushi | lol |
| 11:39.16 | Nyle | you dont' undervolt a power supply mna |
| 11:39.20 | Nyle | wtf is the matter with you :) |
| 11:39.39 | xushi | OK let me add.. the psu is new (coolermaster).. |
| 11:39.43 | wols | components work longre undervolted if they work at all at lower voltages. might be tricky to make sure they don#t randomly crash the PC of course. but e.g. a c2d likes undervolting |
| 11:39.44 | xingu | undervolting a fluro inverter probably isn't a smart idea |
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| 11:39.44 | xushi | 2 fans on it. |
| 11:39.46 | Ace2016 | omg firefox has actually done it, its as fast as opera, i never ever thought i'd see this day |
| 11:39.51 | maligor | Nyle, how's the heat on the northbridge? |
| 11:39.51 | enouf | fine undercvolt your CPU with a 120 watt PSU that puts out 6amps per rail, lol |
| 11:39.56 | enouf | go ahead |
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| 11:40.08 | xushi | Ace2016: wait until you stick in a few extensions.. |
| 11:40.20 | xingu | undervolting a regular lightbulb definitely isn't |
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| 11:40.25 | xingu | mmm, brown, my favourite |
| 11:40.26 | Ace2016 | no i mean out of the box its fast |
| 11:40.37 | wols | enouf: no device ever died because you gave it not enough voltage :) |
| 11:40.42 | alecssys | hello ... i have a stupid problem .... i can't ping localhost or 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:40.46 | wols | device might not work, but not die |
| 11:40.47 | Nyle | maligor: cooled with a tiny little fan that spins at 5000rpm, AND its an aftermarket HS, 400grams of pure copper goodness and 4 heatpipes |
| 11:41.03 | wols | xingu: then I might die, not my pacemaker |
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| 11:41.06 | Nyle | maligor: mobo = GA 965P S3 |
| 11:41.24 | maligor | 4 heatpipes on a northbridge cooler? |
| 11:41.26 | xushi | hehe |
| 11:41.31 | Nyle | maligor: indeed |
| 11:41.39 | enouf | wols: i asked you to explain how the PSU compensates when it canNOT maintain required output - that means spikes to me under and over == breakage == bad, if you don't think so, fine |
| 11:41.40 | Nyle | without it system temps go upto 50s-60s |
| 11:41.47 | alecssys | what could be the problem ? |
| 11:42.11 | Nyle | alecssys: pastebin your /etc/hosts file |
| 11:42.19 | maligor | Nyle, what was the stock? just a simple sink? |
| 11:42.22 | wols | enouf: undervolting has a specific meaning and yours isn't it imho |
| 11:42.28 | Nyle | maligor: nothing stock |
| 11:42.34 | Nyle | wols: what meaning? |
| 11:42.39 | alecssys | Nyle: it's just 127.0.0.1 localhost |
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| 11:42.44 | enouf | wols: right, your potato is a tomato , ok |
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| 11:42.52 | wols | again: if you undervolt your PSU you'd feed it less than the usual 110V/120V |
| 11:42.55 | Nyle | alecssys: and it must be present in your hosts file afaik |
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| 11:43.03 | xushi | shouldn't undervolt technically mean negative volting ? ;) |
| 11:43.03 | wols | which is kinda hard :) |
| 11:43.06 | l0c4lh0st | "Flashing kernel" woohoo! |
| 11:43.17 | l0c4lh0st | wols: I'm upgrading my unsecure, exploitable kernel :P |
| 11:43.25 | alecssys | Nyle: cat /etc/hosts returns 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 11:43.34 | wols | l0c4lh0st: good for you and the internet |
| 11:43.40 | Nyle | alecssys: what error does ping localhost give |
| 11:43.43 | l0c4lh0st | :> |
| 11:43.46 | maligor | wols, I guess my PSU is grossly overvolted at 240V ;) |
| 11:43.48 | Jewhanna | roxazer, <3 |
| 11:43.50 | l0c4lh0st | I don't give errors |
| 11:43.50 | l0c4lh0st | :( |
| 11:43.54 | alecssys | Nyle: none .... i just have 100% loss |
| 11:44.02 | Nyle | alecssys: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:44.05 | l0c4lh0st | /ping l0c4lh0st |
| 11:44.05 | wols | maligor: depends on country. enouf is a merkin and they use low voltage |
| 11:44.07 | Nyle | you have a loopback setup? |
| 11:44.11 | alecssys | no |
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| 11:44.17 | enouf | xushi: look , i tried, fix your own scsi crap too many overheating HDDs, or ask others please |
| 11:44.18 | Nyle | thats probably it, no loopback interface |
| 11:44.24 | ringo999 | hi. im reinstalling etch and im want to manual parition my disc having / as primary partition and /home, swap encrypted in an LVM. I'm stuck on the LVM part: I created a logical LVM parition, but how to create /home, swap within that (using the graphical installer menu)? |
| 11:44.26 | Nyle | alecssys: go fix it |
| 11:44.32 | xushi | enouf: lol ok ok man! :) |
| 11:44.38 | Ace2016 | what does loopback actually do? |
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| 11:44.53 | Nyle | alecssys: it loops back.... |
| 11:45.01 | l0c4lh0st | lol |
| 11:45.03 | l0c4lh0st | nice :) |
| 11:45.21 | xingu | maligor: actually, if you're .fi-based, it's probably 230V |
| 11:45.21 | Nyle | Ace2016: ^ |
| 11:45.34 | Nyle | 220 |
| 11:45.36 | Ace2016 | what happens if there was no loopback connection? i mean connecting to yourself why do it? |
| 11:45.40 | Nyle | pakistan has 440 |
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| 11:46.07 | Ace2016 | 220? 440? what? |
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| 11:46.51 | ringo999 | does anyone know how to manually setup encrypted lvm using the debian gui installer? |
| 11:47.05 | Nyle | !lvm |
| 11:47.05 | dpkg | [lvm] at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
| 11:47.28 | Nyle | ringo999: as for the gui installer no clue, never messed with it |
| 11:47.34 | Nyle | I suppose its the same as the text installer? |
| 11:47.51 | Nyle | !lvm_tutorial |
| 11:47.51 | dpkg | i heard lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 11:47.53 | ringo999 | Nyle: probably, its been a while ive done it... |
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| 11:49.00 | alecssys | Nyle: thanks ... i didn't have anything there to start localhost |
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| 11:49.15 | Nyle | welcome |
| 11:49.18 | enouf | xushi: one last thing; i'm not sure if that error is directly related to your aic7xxx, but i would think you'd see other messages if the sata aspects (libata, ata_piix, any sata_xx modules etc) were causing it, though - perhaps since the libata stuff is under scsi, and uses the scsi subsystem, perhaps there's some conflict between your aic7xxx driver and libata and whatnot |
| 11:49.24 | alecssys | i'll reboot and see if it works |
| 11:49.27 | Nyle | no |
| 11:49.29 | Nyle | stop |
| 11:49.31 | Nyle | don't reboot |
| 11:49.37 | alecssys | ok |
| 11:49.39 | Nyle | alecssys: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:49.55 | enouf | is anyone else still getting DALNET SPAM in PM ? |
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| 11:50.11 | InspectorCluseau | yes....got that here |
| 11:50.12 | enouf | [06:46:27] [moralitycall] ##Linux on Dalnet needs some good company and good channel operators. type /server -m irc.dal.net (or /connect irc.dal.net) and join ##Linux. Be there for some time. |
| 11:50.14 | xushi | enouf: you know, that does make sense.. I just have to find a way to output more information so as to find out.. |
| 11:50.16 | xushi | thanks |
| 11:50.19 | xushi | and yes, i still get spam |
| 11:50.25 | Nyle | !reboot |
| 11:50.26 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 11:50.38 | Nyle | !qotd2 |
| 11:50.38 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 11:50.47 | Nyle | heh |
| 11:50.48 | l0c4lh0st | New kernel \o/ |
| 11:51.04 | alecssys | : too many parameters for iface line |
| 11:51.06 | alecssys | wtf |
| 11:51.21 | l0c4lh0st | Debian 2.6.18-6-ixp4xx now :D |
| 11:51.22 | l0c4lh0st | w00t |
| 11:51.25 | Nyle | pastebin it |
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| 11:51.42 | alecssys | the error or the file ? |
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| 11:52.00 | Nyle | file |
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| 11:52.12 | xushi | p.s., it's an aic79xx module (the new one) |
| 11:52.17 | Nyle | along with error too |
| 11:52.27 | l0c4lh0st | WOuld it be possible to upgrade my Debian NSLU2 from Debian etch 2.6.18-6 to lenny? :D |
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| 11:52.40 | Nyle | possible sure |
| 11:52.40 | azeem | l0c4lh0st: why? |
| 11:52.45 | alecssys | http://pastebin.com/d67307819 |
| 11:52.46 | Nyle | desireable, probably not |
| 11:52.54 | l0c4lh0st | Because lenny is new |
| 11:52.56 | daniel_John | hi I installed nvidia driver but now I dont need 3d graphics. How do I get back to my old nv driver ? |
| 11:52.56 | l0c4lh0st | and new = <3 |
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| 11:55.51 | alecssys | Nyle: what is it ? |
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| 11:56.38 | alecssys | Nyle: here is the error http://pastebin.com/m470bab3e |
| 11:56.43 | InspectorCluseau | daniel_John, why change back? |
| 11:56.55 | Nyle | alecssys: why do you need 'manual' |
| 11:57.14 | Nyle | line 12 |
| 11:57.16 | alecssys | i have no ideea what is that |
| 11:57.20 | Nyle | remove that |
| 11:57.20 | l0c4lh0st | w00t, WLAN driver compiling again |
| 11:57.23 | l0c4lh0st | I'm starting to like this lol |
| 11:57.25 | alecssys | i deleted it and i get the same result |
| 11:57.37 | Nyle | remove inet too |
| 11:57.52 | Nyle | and eth0? no |
| 11:57.55 | Nyle | remove it |
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| 11:58.11 | daniel_John | InspectorCluseau, I am about to uprgrade the kernal and because I installed the nvidia driver with automatix it will break the xserver. by going back to the nv and doing the upgrade I avoid the crash |
| 11:58.11 | Nyle | wth kinda config is that man |
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| 11:58.25 | Polleke | who made that interfaces file for you alecssys? |
| 11:58.37 | alecssys | Polleke: i guess pppoeconf |
| 11:58.40 | Nyle | Polleke: a drunk monkey |
| 11:58.44 | Nyle | lol |
| 11:58.48 | InspectorCluseau | daniel_John, edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
| 11:58.49 | Nyle | from dr. doo litle |
| 11:58.56 | alecssys | Nyle: now it's just lo and loopback and i still get the error |
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| 11:59.20 | InspectorCluseau | daniel_John, change the nvidia driver to nv |
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| 11:59.50 | daniel_John | InspectorCluseau, is that all ? |
| 11:59.54 | Nyle | alecssys: man 5 interfaces |
| 11:59.57 | Nyle | seriously |
| 11:59.57 | InspectorCluseau | thats it |
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| 12:00.39 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 12:00.39 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 12:01.58 | Nyle | -a only if setup as auto |
| 12:02.13 | Nyle | factoid should really do networking restart |
| 12:02.42 | Ace2016 | Any way to know what ram is in my system? |
| 12:02.50 | Nyle | I wonder if that script brings down using -a too or what |
| 12:02.58 | Ace2016 | he he i didn't use anyone in that question :) |
| 12:03.04 | daniel_John | InspectorCluseau, I have to use ctrl-alt-F1 to stop gdm then do the alteration ? |
| 12:03.25 | Nyle | Ace2016: yeh there was a tool that told you about it all |
| 12:03.30 | Nyle | i forgot the name of it again |
| 12:03.37 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 12:03.41 | InspectorCluseau | Got me...never used gdm |
| 12:03.52 | Nyle | md something |
| 12:03.54 | Ace2016 | i want to know whats currently in use and what the fastest ram i can put in here is |
| 12:03.54 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 12:04.06 | Nyle | Ace2016: open up case, look at ram |
| 12:04.11 | Nyle | Ace2016: donwload motherboard manual |
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| 12:04.17 | Ace2016 | its a laptop |
| 12:04.21 | alecssys | Nyle: i never edited that file since the last installation so it's all pppoeconf's job there .... still i never had problems pinging localhost |
| 12:04.24 | Maulkin | Use dmidecode |
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| 12:04.29 | enouf | Ace2016: dmidecode |
| 12:04.32 | Nyle | dmidecode thats the done |
| 12:04.34 | Nyle | one* |
| 12:04.52 | Nyle | use -t XX |
| 12:04.57 | enouf | Ace2016: install i2c-tools if available to you, modprobe eeprom and run decode-dimms for much more info |
| 12:04.59 | Nyle | read the manpage for type needed |
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| 12:05.08 | Ace2016 | its already installed |
| 12:05.10 | Nyle | enouf: much better idea |
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| 12:05.39 | enouf | Nyle: yes, however lm-sensors, etc, are different between etch/lenny/sid |
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| 12:05.53 | daniel_John | InspectorCluseau, I quite sure I have to do that. Ive been talkinabout this in another forum and they say I need to. |
| 12:06.07 | daniel_John | thanks for you help |
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| 12:06.17 | enouf | new fork called i2c-tools now for sid (possibly in lenny now?), from lm-sensors |
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| 12:06.36 | SparFux | ne1 using misdn with asterisk-chan-caip on debian unstable? |
| 12:06.55 | Nyle | alecssys: remove #12, #10 make it say 'auto lo' #11, 'iface lo inet loopback' |
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| 12:08.34 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 12:08.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:08.40 | Nyle | !ne1 |
| 12:08.40 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 12:08.43 | Bash | Im having trouble getting my inet working on my laptop... |
| 12:09.00 | Bash | it can ping using ip addresses, but not names (dns broken? :P) |
| 12:09.02 | Nyle | hehe rub together breain cells |
| 12:09.04 | Bash | how could I fix that? |
| 12:09.05 | Nyle | kinky |
| 12:09.12 | azeem | Bash: how do you connect to the internet? |
| 12:09.20 | azeem | wlan router? |
| 12:09.32 | Bash | azeem: ethernet, and a router |
| 12:09.43 | Nyle | Bash: check /etc/resolv.conf for a dns server, or maybe add a 'nameserver' entry to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:09.46 | azeem | Bash: what's in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:09.52 | Bash | let me check |
| 12:10.03 | Nyle | Bash: make sure router can resolve |
| 12:10.07 | Bash | uhm.... empty? |
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| 12:10.15 | alecssys | Nyle: it works now .... |
| 12:10.19 | Bash | # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! |
| 12:10.21 | Bash | that :D |
| 12:10.29 | enouf | Nyle: do /msg dpkg myram |
| 12:10.32 | azeem | that's all? |
| 12:10.34 | Nyle | alecssys: of course it does, and if you read the manpage you'd make it work too! |
| 12:10.37 | Nyle | !myram |
| 12:10.37 | dpkg | hmm... myram is install and run dmidecode -t memory as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you, modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info |
| 12:10.43 | Nyle | nice nice |
| 12:10.43 | Bash | ye, I opened it with nano? |
| 12:10.44 | azeem | Bash: your router does DHCP? |
| 12:10.50 | Bash | errrr? dhcp? |
| 12:10.56 | azeem | nevermind |
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| 12:11.16 | azeem | Bash: I blame it on your route |
| 12:11.18 | azeem | rr |
| 12:11.19 | azeem | eh |
| 12:11.31 | alecssys | Nyle: i edited myself after you said to read the manpage but i still had the dsl-provider on the auto line and then i saw your last post so i was pretty close :p |
| 12:11.32 | Bash | yes it does have dhcp, or atleast the control panel has it |
| 12:11.46 | azeem | Bash: it doesn't seem to tell you about DNS though |
| 12:11.46 | Nyle | alecssys: :) |
| 12:11.49 | Bash | and it is turned on |
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| 12:12.00 | Haris1 | can I tell bonnie to write to /dev/md0 ? |
| 12:12.04 | Bash | azeem: well, all my other computers have working dns? |
| 12:12.06 | Haris1 | write to = test |
| 12:12.27 | alecssys | now i can try to install lamp .... if i succed |
| 12:12.52 | alecssys | what's better ? to install lamp from binaries or from source ? |
| 12:13.01 | Bash | what else could be the problem? |
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| 12:13.07 | Nyle | alecssys: if you have to ask, use binaries |
| 12:13.09 | azeem | Bash: network-manager maybe |
| 12:13.25 | Ace2016 | seems i need DDR2-SDRAM PC2-5300 |
| 12:13.26 | Nyle | people who build from sources usually have some agenda |
| 12:13.35 | Ace2016 | now to figure out what CAS value i need |
| 12:13.51 | Bash | azeem: what is that? how do I use it? |
| 12:14.08 | Nyle | that ram isn't doing anything but CAS4/5 |
| 12:14.10 | azeem | it's the applet which lets your choose and connect to a wireless network |
| 12:14.10 | alecssys | i read somewhere that if you need to modify some default options it's better to install from source .... but it can be modified from binaries too |
| 12:14.37 | azeem | Bash: sorry, I really don't know how to easily fix that, besides removing network-manager and setting up wlan manually |
| 12:14.40 | Nyle | I build from source to completely anonymize my server as much as possible |
| 12:14.44 | enouf | Nyle: do /msg dpkg myram once more - i checked and i2c-tools is now also in lenny |
| 12:14.47 | Nyle | removing version strings etc. |
| 12:14.49 | Bash | azeem: I'm not using wlan |
| 12:14.54 | Nyle | try not to let people know what I run |
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| 12:15.03 | alecssys | Nyle: do you run a server ? |
| 12:15.08 | Nyle | !myram |
| 12:15.08 | dpkg | well, myram is install and run dmidecode -t memory as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs |
| 12:15.12 | Nyle | alecssys: many |
| 12:15.40 | Nyle | in fact I fucked up one of my servers last night |
| 12:15.46 | Ace2016 | how? |
| 12:15.51 | Nyle | it used to be etch around midnight |
| 12:15.52 | alecssys | then i get the point .... but i need lamp to test my webpages so i don't need that much security ... plus ... it's on a lappy |
| 12:15.57 | Nyle | I woke up and its lenny! |
| 12:16.00 | Nyle | I have no idea how |
| 12:16.03 | enouf | Nyle: i can do it in public too :-P (way to go) |
| 12:16.09 | Nyle | I think my machiens are possessed |
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| 12:16.23 | Nyle | 'and other docs' |
| 12:16.24 | Nyle | haha |
| 12:16.28 | Nyle | enouf: very helpful |
| 12:16.37 | enouf | Nyle: well ,that pkg is huge - there's lots of files |
| 12:16.45 | Nyle | hence, other docs ;) |
| 12:17.04 | alecssys | btw ... does anyone have nvidia drivers on etch and working ? |
| 12:17.13 | alecssys | cause mine are not working at all |
| 12:17.15 | enouf | Nyle: yep, since it still has all the lm-sensors other stuff as well, not just the i2c stuff . like i2c-tools is |
| 12:17.17 | Nyle | im sure lots of em |
| 12:17.34 | Nyle | man |
| 12:17.38 | alecssys | it doesn't matter if i get them from debian or from nvidia .... they just don't work well |
| 12:17.41 | Nyle | lmsensors never reads mys hit correctly |
| 12:17.51 | Haris1 | how do I delete a raid partition leaving the orginal partitions on the SCSI disks as is ? |
| 12:17.51 | WolfgangB | unmet dependencies for build-essential because gcc and g++ are "not going to be installed". Known problem in testing or did I break something? |
| 12:17.53 | Ace2016 | Invalid entry length (0). DMI table is broken! Stop. <<< wonder if this is bad |
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| 12:18.16 | Ace2016 | google didn't help with that |
| 12:18.17 | Nyle | WolfgangB: why don't you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges" |
| 12:18.18 | Nyle | ? |
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| 12:18.35 | Ace2016 | Haris1: yes, unless its hotswappable |
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| 12:18.48 | Bash | yay, it works :) |
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| 12:18.56 | Ace2016 | but if was you probably would know |
| 12:18.58 | Nyle | fatsooo |
| 12:19.02 | Bash | just copied by hand my /etc/resolv.conf from this ubuntu install onto that one |
| 12:19.21 | Nyle | Bash: or you can try a public dns service |
| 12:19.32 | Nyle | like opendns and put that in resovl.conf |
| 12:19.48 | Nyle | I told you either that, or create a nameserver entry in interfaces |
| 12:20.21 | enouf | xushi: fwiw, after reviewing your post/url about your 300w exp, i can tell you this, you got one nice 300 watter there, most OEM PSUs are crap, case in point, my p2 oem 250w POFS junk that struggled spinning up HDD at boot, with one dvdrom and one agp card - years old, yes |
| 12:20.36 | Bash | I don't know how :D |
| 12:20.41 | Bash | will try if this stops working sometime |
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| 12:20.57 | enouf | xushi: got a nice spankin new 600w coolermaster in there now though :-P |
| 12:21.08 | Nyle | Bash: then you say, I don't know how to do that, and we tell you how |
| 12:21.28 | Haris1 | Ok, I unmounted /dev/md1 and deleted it |
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| 12:21.49 | Haris1 | now, when I try to mount /dev/sda2 to /mnt/sda2, it won't work |
| 12:21.58 | Haris1 | I get the standard wrong fs message |
| 12:22.06 | Superbartt | define an fs? :] |
| 12:22.15 | Haris1 | ext3 |
| 12:22.18 | xingu | enouf: perhaps they mean - 300W, at 1mA |
| 12:22.35 | Haris1 | mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda2 |
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| 12:22.40 | Nurulwai | I upgraded xorg and now my left click does a double left-click. Any ideas how to resolve? |
| 12:22.40 | enouf | xushi: add to the equation, many many places in the world have "dirty" electrical, not to mention undervolted, (*shudder*, there's that word again) brownouts, blackouts etc |
| 12:22.54 | enouf | xingu: perhaps |
| 12:23.14 | Haris1 | ./dev/sda2 4013 4316 2441880 fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 12:23.15 | Nyle | xingu: how do you say your nickname? |
| 12:23.19 | Nyle | Zingoo? |
| 12:23.26 | Haris1 | oops |
| 12:23.27 | Nyle | Shingoo? |
| 12:23.30 | enouf | xingu: here http://waskucity.com/showpost.php?p=3106&postcount=2 subject your hardware to this for fun O_o |
| 12:23.31 | Haris1 | the partition is set as raid |
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| 12:23.43 | iateadonut | syin goo - chinese, right? |
| 12:23.50 | Nyle | crossing you? |
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| 12:23.52 | iateadonut | more like syeen goo |
| 12:24.02 | Nyle | crossing you might be it |
| 12:24.09 | FreakGuard | how to install aes-lrw-benbi cipher support? got some dm-crypts but can't mount them... |
| 12:24.13 | xingu | Nyle: any way you like - ask james thurber if you want an authority |
| 12:24.18 | Nyle | ahh |
| 12:24.25 | alecssys | how do i find an empty port for my mysql ? |
| 12:24.36 | alecssys | *free port |
| 12:24.38 | xingu | enouf: pass :) |
| 12:24.43 | Nyle | alecssys: you got one |
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| 12:24.49 | Nyle | 3061 should be open and functional |
| 12:24.59 | Nyle | I think thats the one used by mysql |
| 12:25.02 | alecssys | Nyle: it says that it's not |
| 12:25.11 | Nyle | so pick another one |
| 12:25.26 | Nyle | try something in the higher port range |
| 12:25.30 | alecssys | and again ... i tried to start mysql and i can't ping localhost anymore |
| 12:25.35 | WolfgangB | Nyle: i got them but looks like i can't use them :-(. they don't tell me anything about uninstalled packages |
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| 12:25.54 | Eulex | alecssys, so do you already have an sql server or other service running on that port? |
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| 12:26.09 | xushi | enouf: i'm in one of these places.. yep.. my dad lost 3 computers due to thie shitty electricity we have here |
| 12:26.23 | Nyle | WolfgangB: what is your problem? |
| 12:26.27 | alecssys | Eulex: that's what it says |
| 12:26.31 | Nyle | buffer cleared :( |
| 12:26.51 | enouf | xushi: a power conditioner and UPS might be a wise investment |
| 12:26.57 | alecssys | Eulex: but i don't have any mysql running |
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| 12:27.24 | WolfgangB | i'm trying to install installing build-essential |
| 12:27.43 | xingu | xushi: or a notebook |
| 12:27.44 | Nyle | WolfgangB: update and upgrade and try again? |
| 12:27.59 | Eulex | alecssys, try running netstat -lp as root. |
| 12:28.01 | Nyle | WolfgangB: try using aptitude |
| 12:28.13 | Nyle | WolfgangB: see the offered solutions |
| 12:28.23 | Nyle | might give a clue as to wtf is going on |
| 12:28.36 | xushi | enouf: i'm leaving this hell hole in 2 months.. i just need to survive till then. it's not worth paying half a month's salary on a ups and not being able to carry it then |
| 12:28.38 | Nyle | i'm on lenny amd64 so i dunno, shit work shere fine |
| 12:28.39 | enouf | xingu: please, we already have our share of peeps running laptops in closets as headless servers O_o |
| 12:28.51 | Nyle | enouf: my laptops dont' even have screens!!! |
| 12:28.55 | xushi | xingu: if they make notebooks with 10TB storage, tell me :) |
| 12:28.56 | Nyle | and yes |
| 12:28.57 | alecssys | Eulex: nope ... there is no mysql listening on those ports ( i tried 4 so far ) |
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| 12:29.02 | enouf | heh |
| 12:29.04 | Nyle | I have a laptop which I can successfully ping |
| 12:29.08 | Nyle | but as to where the fuck it is |
| 12:29.13 | Haris1 | I want to keep squid, cvs, files on a raid0+1 partition. What would be an optimal chunk size? |
| 12:29.14 | Nyle | I have no earthly idea |
| 12:29.24 | xingu | enouf: I've worked in places that ate UPS' for breakfast; the funniest support call I've ever been involved in was getting called by the local hazardous waste disposal team to find out how to dispose of one after it exploded inside an office, filling the whole building with a very nasty acrid gas in the process |
| 12:29.27 | Nyle | I think its under a pile of clothes somewhere in my mountain of crap in the closet |
| 12:29.31 | Haris1 | file size ranges from small to 1GB |
| 12:29.34 | Haris1 | sorry |
| 12:29.37 | Haris1 | file size ranges from small to 33GB |
| 12:29.40 | enouf | maybe you should talk to suzie that comes in with a mac mini and 25 drives connected to external USB hubs :-P |
| 12:29.50 | Eulex | alecssys, is there anything at all listening at the port you're trying? |
| 12:29.59 | alecssys | Nyle: turn the music on on that laptop |
| 12:30.00 | xingu | xushi: montevina designs will largely have esata ports |
| 12:30.07 | xingu | xushi: let your imagination run free |
| 12:30.08 | alecssys | Eulex: no it isn't |
| 12:30.13 | xushi | hehe |
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| 12:30.34 | Eulex | alecssys, and you verified using netstat? |
| 12:30.42 | enouf | xingu: wow, nasty - i've (inadvertantly) arc welded my nippers once or twice myself ;-) |
| 12:30.47 | Nyle | thats it |
| 12:30.52 | Nyle | im moving to houston |
| 12:31.00 | Nyle | fuck new york |
| 12:31.01 | alecssys | Eulex: |
| 12:31.03 | alecssys | MiNiM4Li5Tik:/etc/network# netstat -lp | grep 3061 |
| 12:31.03 | alecssys | MiNiM4Li5Tik:/etc/network# |
| 12:31.21 | Nyle | these parking tickets are gonna bankcorrupt me |
| 12:31.23 | Nyle | I swear |
| 12:31.27 | enouf | Nyle: ouch |
| 12:31.32 | Nyle | its insane man |
| 12:31.35 | enouf | never |
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| 12:31.44 | enouf | ever, let them get you |
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| 12:31.51 | xingu | enouf: the interesting outcome of that was that we ended up having to ship it all the way from darwin to perth (in the wide brown land, of course); the vendor was determined to investigate it, wouldn't make good the warranty claim without the bits in a bucket under their desk |
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| 12:31.59 | enouf | walk around with a roll of quarters at all times |
| 12:32.04 | xingu | enouf: that was back in the day that local support agents for APC actually gave a damn |
| 12:32.05 | Nyle | lol |
| 12:32.14 | Nyle | enouf: not because of that |
| 12:32.16 | enouf | Nyle: the chicks will dig it :-P |
| 12:32.37 | Nyle | you just need to have a car in new york, you an get chics just by that |
| 12:32.39 | alecssys | and of course .... i can't ping localgost |
| 12:32.43 | Nyle | its crazy man. |
| 12:32.44 | alecssys | *localhost |
| 12:32.49 | Eulex | alecssys, note that some ports have names. like www, which is equal to 80. I'm not sure whether that is true for 3061, though. |
| 12:32.51 | enouf | xingu: o m g .. what to say - forensics on UPS bits :-P |
| 12:32.53 | xingu | enouf: lightning strike; it wasn't the arc you see in the sky that fried it, it was the charge shooting up from the ground throughout the building's electrical nervous system that did the damage. |
| 12:33.07 | FreakGuard | i need some help with "Check kernel for support for the aes-lrw-benbi cipher spec" - how to install that? |
| 12:33.09 | enouf | got pics? |
| 12:33.10 | enouf | ;-) |
| 12:33.12 | xingu | enouf: anything connected to anything in there was fried |
| 12:33.15 | Nyle | enouf: xingu: Nyle: |
| 12:33.16 | xingu | enouf: nope |
| 12:33.18 | alecssys | Eulex: i tried 4 different ports .... i get the same error |
| 12:33.26 | Eulex | alecssys, does /etc/hosts contain an entry for localhost that points to 127.0.0.1? |
| 12:33.42 | xingu | enouf: lightning storms up in the top end are a hoot |
| 12:33.46 | Nyle | Eulex: already went through all that |
| 12:33.54 | Nyle | Eulex: had it working, and now it stopped again |
| 12:33.58 | Eulex | Nyle, oh |
| 12:34.12 | Nyle | so once again |
| 12:34.26 | Nyle | alecssys: pastebin interfaces file, resolve.conf, hosts |
| 12:34.29 | alecssys | Nyle: it stopped in the moment i tried to start mysql |
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| 12:35.01 | enouf | xingu: serious damage - yep .. nowadays we all take that more seriously by jabbing large copper pipes into the earth ;-) |
| 12:35.14 | xingu | enouf: in fact last I knew there was a guy up there with a very tidy sideline making blast proof AC multigang output bricks for such offices |
| 12:35.17 | Nyle | enouf: and the Earth don't like it. |
| 12:35.43 | enouf | xingu: sweet, custom, niche, but nice |
| 12:35.46 | xingu | enouf: so at least the brick dies but what's plugged into it doesn't |
| 12:36.03 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 12:36.04 | enouf | righto - must've got a nice business once the word spread |
| 12:36.06 | xingu | enouf: field serviceable sacrificial bit to get it back together |
| 12:36.10 | Nyle | back home pot is cheaper too |
| 12:36.19 | Nyle | mmm |
| 12:36.27 | Nyle | right next to mexico too |
| 12:36.34 | alecssys | here it is http://pastebin.com/d1736a0c5 |
| 12:37.49 | enouf | xingu: sounds akin to a plain inline fuse, but heh, i'm no electrician ;-) |
| 12:37.55 | jcesaro | exit |
| 12:37.58 | jcesaro | ;s |
| 12:38.00 | jcesaro | exit |
| 12:38.13 | alecssys | and this too http://pastebin.com/d1abe499a |
| 12:38.22 | xingu | enouf: there's another interesting one that slips outside most people's radar too; if you've got gear near an ore crushing mill like the one at fimiston, you need to worry about the EMP and 'lectric surge that happens when the mill stops and starts |
| 12:38.45 | WolfgangB | Nyle: update and upgrade and aptitude solved it, thanks. looks like aptitude is better at resolving conflicts than synaptic. |
| 12:38.53 | enouf | xingu: aha |
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| 12:39.52 | xingu | enouf: yes; but he's built a little block, with a ttl transformer, diode, fuse, special sauce, all on a seasame seed bun - which he dips in plastic to turn into a little thing that looks a bit like an oldschool (photography) flash cube |
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| 12:40.30 | enouf | oh i see, a sacrificial middle man ;-) |
| 12:40.34 | xingu | yep |
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| 12:41.24 | xingu | enouf: fimiston was the first, and by far and away the funniest customer I ever had for wireless gear |
| 12:41.41 | xingu | enouf: they fuckers wanted to put a pc into the mill for punch-in/out |
| 12:41.42 | enouf | hehe |
| 12:42.10 | xingu | needless to say that didn't work, I think eventually they ran some fibre down |
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| 12:42.21 | mateusz | Hi |
| 12:42.31 | Nyle | alecssys: http://pastebin.com/m1fd9b80 |
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| 12:42.42 | mateusz | Anyone having problem using libpam-gnome-keyring and libpam-thinkreader at the same time? |
| 12:42.48 | FreakGuard | i need to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.18-6-686 to at least 2.6.20... easiest way to do it? |
| 12:42.50 | enouf | xingu: kinda need some seriously snaking unidirectional for .. oh nm ;-) |
| 12:42.51 | mateusz | Any ideas how to make it working ? |
| 12:43.13 | Nyle | xingu: you are finnish? |
| 12:43.31 | xingu | Nyle: I'm wide and brown too |
| 12:43.44 | Nyle | finland has good metal |
| 12:43.54 | Nyle | Amorphis kick butt |
| 12:43.59 | enouf | FreakGuard: /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:44.01 | Eulex | !tell FreakGuard about bpo |
| 12:44.07 | Eulex | hah |
| 12:44.11 | xingu | actually these days I'm a multinational :) |
| 12:44.15 | alecssys | Nyle: same |
| 12:44.36 | xingu | collect 'em like postage stamps ;) |
| 12:44.57 | enouf | mateusz: pastebin error messages, describe issues in more detail |
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| 12:45.11 | Nyle | alecssys: i give up. |
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| 12:45.18 | enouf | mateusz: also, perhaps irc.gnome.org if nobody can help here |
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| 12:45.26 | mateusz | enouf, irc gnome good idea |
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| 12:46.01 | alecssys | i'm telling you ... there's something wrong with this mysql |
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| 12:46.21 | mateusz | enouf, The problem is when I want to use thinkfinger pam module, then gnome-keyring pam module stops working. When I login I have to retype my password to unlock gnome-keyring |
| 12:46.50 | Nyle | alecssys: we were trying to get you to ping localhost |
| 12:46.56 | Nyle | alecssys: fuck mysql for now |
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| 12:47.17 | enouf | mateusz: wow, no idea, i don't even use gnome - but someone may come along .. hang around |
| 12:47.22 | alecssys | Nyle: if i take down mysql i bet it'll work |
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| 12:49.14 | alecssys | Nyle: now it works pinging localhost |
| 12:49.32 | Nyle | great |
| 12:49.38 | Nyle | whats going on with mysql? |
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| 12:49.45 | alecssys | it doesn't work |
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| 12:49.53 | Nyle | does it start? |
| 12:49.58 | alecssys | no |
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| 12:50.08 | Nyle | pastebin errors? |
| 12:50.11 | alecssys | http://pastebin.com/d1abe499a |
| 12:50.20 | damog | Nyle: yo, morning dude |
| 12:50.20 | Nyle | im not sure but mysql may have a log |
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| 12:50.34 | Nyle | damog: hey buddy man whats going on |
| 12:50.35 | FreakGuard | enouf and Eulex thx :D |
| 12:50.47 | Nyle | damog: I only ever see you on Sunday |
| 12:50.55 | FreakGuard | and now... which package? :/ |
| 12:51.06 | alecssys | unbefuckinglievable |
| 12:51.06 | Nyle | damog: hey 12th marth is my birthday, and weekend 3 days later probably gonna party in the city |
| 12:51.09 | damog | Nyle: heh, not much a bit insomnia |
| 12:51.16 | alecssys | Nyle: mysql problem solved |
| 12:51.23 | damog | Nyle: i'm mostly busy on weekdays |
| 12:51.30 | damog | Nyle: that's awesome |
| 12:51.35 | Nyle | damog: me too |
| 12:51.41 | Eulex | FreakGuard, read the instructions at backports.org, and search for linux-image from backports.org. choose the one appropriate for your system. |
| 12:51.51 | Nyle | damog: yeh I'm gonna be 27 man I can't believe it |
| 12:51.55 | damog | heh |
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| 12:51.59 | FreakGuard | Eulex, uname to find the correct kernel? |
| 12:52.03 | Nyle | I still feel (and probably act) like a kid |
| 12:52.04 | Nyle | hehe |
| 12:52.06 | Eulex | FreakGuard, what? |
| 12:52.23 | Nyle | damog: how's work? |
| 12:52.25 | FreakGuard | Eulex, uname -r = corrent kernel arch? |
| 12:52.31 | enouf | FreakGuard: uname -a for your running kernel, you said you want .20.x ? |
| 12:52.42 | enouf | uname -m even |
| 12:52.58 | damog | Nyle: tough, but doing alright |
| 12:53.03 | Eulex | FreakGuard, uname -r gets you the name of your current kernel |
| 12:53.04 | FreakGuard | enouf, i686 --> linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 ? |
| 12:53.12 | enouf | yes |
| 12:53.14 | enouf | er |
| 12:53.15 | Nyle | damog: tough is good, otherwise it gets mindless and boring |
| 12:53.16 | enouf | wait |
| 12:53.20 | enouf | that's headers |
| 12:53.24 | damog | Nyle: yeah totally |
| 12:53.28 | enouf | you want linux-image-version |
| 12:53.31 | Nyle | damog: I like challenging work |
| 12:53.32 | FreakGuard | enouf, i need the image? |
| 12:53.36 | enouf | yes |
| 12:53.37 | alecssys | can anyone hear me ? |
| 12:53.39 | Nyle | damog: hows the ol' woman? |
| 12:53.44 | enouf | that's teh kernel pkg |
| 12:53.48 | FreakGuard | enouf, patch 3 oder patch 4? (last number) |
| 12:53.57 | enouf | latest one |
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| 12:54.18 | Nyle | I dunno why they say old lady |
| 12:54.21 | Nyle | she could be like 20 |
| 12:54.22 | enouf | erm, i don't know the specifics - patch what? |
| 12:54.24 | FreakGuard | enouf, thanks, let's try |
| 12:54.29 | Nyle | but people still say, yeh hows your old lady |
| 12:54.30 | Nyle | hehe |
| 12:54.36 | Nyle | nevermind |
| 12:54.37 | damog | Nyle: heh, she's 27 actually |
| 12:54.43 | damog | Nyle: she's doing alright, thanks man |
| 12:54.43 | Bash | My internet isn't fixed after all :/ |
| 12:54.53 | alecssys | ANYONE ? |
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| 12:54.54 | Bash | On my debian box, dns isn't working again? |
| 12:55.06 | Bash | how can I change it in a way, that it would work even after a restart? |
| 12:55.07 | FreakGuard | alecssys, jeje, stop crying :P |
| 12:55.39 | alecssys | omfg .... |
| 12:55.42 | alecssys | MiNiM4Li5Tik:~# ping google.com |
| 12:55.42 | alecssys | ping: unknown host google.com |
| 12:55.42 | alecssys | MiNiM4Li5Tik:~# |
| 12:55.48 | Nyle | damog: I think I'm going to move to houston soon |
| 12:55.51 | alecssys | but i can talk with you |
| 12:56.18 | Bash | alecssys: you gotta put www.google.com ;) |
| 12:56.21 | Nyle | wow |
| 12:56.26 | Nyle | thats awesome |
| 12:56.32 | damog | Nyle: why? |
| 12:56.33 | Nyle | Bash: no you don't |
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| 12:56.41 | alecssys | Bash: it's not that .... |
| 12:56.41 | Nyle | damog: I dunno man |
| 12:56.41 | Bash | Nyle: I do? =/ |
| 12:56.48 | Bash | it won't work without that for me sometimes |
| 12:57.05 | alecssys | Bash: not even my browser can acces google |
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| 12:57.16 | Nyle | damog: I been working on my site for my business lately, take a peek here http://jtech.hfds.com (jut dicking around mostly) |
| 12:57.25 | Bash | but I'm having real troubles trying to get my debianbox to work... The dns hotfix worked for one boot, and 1 boot only |
| 12:57.52 | alecssys | my network it's way too strange for me |
| 12:57.55 | Haris1 | How can I check if an lan interface is 10 or 100 Mbps? |
| 12:58.12 | Bash | so I am asking... how can I change the DNS settings in a permanent way? |
| 12:58.22 | Nyle | damog: I tried that website builder that came with the hosting thing |
| 12:58.24 | Haris1 | in the present |
| 12:58.38 | damog | Nyle: heh |
| 12:58.39 | Nyle | damog: it was a nice application, but it generated ghastly code |
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| 12:59.05 | Haris1 | when I check with bonnie, I have at least 14 MB/s rate for read/write |
| 12:59.08 | Nyle | damog: so I said i'll code my own little php site |
| 12:59.20 | Haris1 | but when I copy a file over ssh, I only get 1.4 MB/s |
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| 12:59.40 | Bash | my resolv.conf just says that it is generated by networkmanager, do not change! |
| 12:59.49 | Bash | how can I change it via network manager or something like that? |
| 12:59.58 | bluecake | how to start rdesktop before gnome login manager starts? |
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| 13:03.46 | Nyle | damog: 1-800-GOD-NYLE !! mauahahaha :D |
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| 13:05.38 | Nyle | damog: where did that come from haha |
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| 13:06.06 | alecssy1 | Nyle: if i show you my interfaces you won't believe me |
| 13:06.16 | Nyle | alecssy1: I'll beleive you |
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| 13:06.34 | Haris1 | wow! |
| 13:06.44 | Haris1 | when I transferred the file over FTP to the same server |
| 13:06.50 | Bash | what could be the problem with my internet, when I'm getting 0-1000B/s transfer speeds? |
| 13:06.52 | alecssy1 | http://pastebin.com/d696be87a |
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| 13:06.59 | Haris1 | I got 60 MB/s at start and then 24 MB/s speed |
| 13:07.02 | alecssy1 | this pppoeconf it's really strange |
| 13:07.06 | Haris1 | a 100 MB file went like that |
| 13:07.09 | Bash | and my inet is capable of transfering 800kB/s =E |
| 13:07.20 | Nyle | I'm sorry |
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| 13:07.24 | Nyle | are you using debian? |
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| 13:07.46 | Haris1 | why is it SO slow over ssh? |
| 13:07.53 | Nyle | and also, I never used dsl on linux |
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| 13:08.05 | Nyle | I never use dsl period |
| 13:08.10 | Nyle | dsl sucks |
| 13:08.10 | alecssy1 | Nyle: yes ... i'm using debian .. lol ... |
| 13:08.22 | Haris1 | dsl .. does NOT suck |
| 13:08.24 | Nyle | unless that is your option only |
| 13:08.37 | Nyle | if you got cable in the hood go with it |
| 13:08.43 | Nyle | its like 10 times faster than dsl |
| 13:08.55 | Haris1 | ? |
| 13:08.55 | alecssy1 | well ... it is ... and it doesn't sucks ... i can have up to 10 Mb/s |
| 13:09.20 | Nyle | I tried verizon dsl, and I tried bellsouth and i think two or three others i can't remember |
| 13:09.23 | Nyle | they all sucked |
| 13:09.37 | Nyle | everytime I had cable, I remember speeds that were much higher than dsl |
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| 13:09.49 | Nyle | consider me a dumb customer |
| 13:09.55 | alecssy1 | i have cable .... |
| 13:09.59 | Nyle | don't give me numbers, I know what I know |
| 13:10.03 | Nyle | so there. |
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| 13:10.58 | rela | Hallo :) |
| 13:11.04 | Nyle | cox cable in oklahoma city has 14Mbit down 24/7 in my apartment complex :) |
| 13:11.07 | rela | Kann mir jemand sagen wie ich die environment variable fr das tmp verzeichnis ndern kann? Wre nett. ty |
| 13:11.18 | Nyle | ich die? |
| 13:11.21 | Nyle | !de |
| 13:11.21 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 13:11.33 | rela | oops. sorry! |
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| 13:12.21 | rela | ok, i will ask again in english *G* i want to change my environment variable for the /tmp directory. could someone please give me a hint how to do that? |
| 13:12.29 | rela | sry again |
| 13:12.39 | Nyle | maybe export TMP=/blah |
| 13:12.43 | Nyle | no idea |
| 13:12.44 | asg | rela: man bash |
| 13:12.55 | asg | rela: or whatever shell you are using |
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| 13:13.23 | rela | yes, thanks. guess that will help me |
| 13:13.27 | rela | <3 |
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| 13:14.23 | Nyle | TMPDIR If set, Bash uses its value as the name of a directory in which Bash creates temporary files for the shell’s use. |
| 13:14.34 | Nyle | you don't mean that |
| 13:14.47 | alecssy1 | just great ... my php doesn't support mysql now |
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| 13:16.37 | Nyle | asg: wow im baked |
| 13:16.46 | Nyle | im gonna go sit down there |
| 13:16.55 | Nyle | alecssy1: dude you are just having a fantastic day aren't you |
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| 13:17.21 | l0c4lh0st | Hm. Where can I find modules.conf on a Debian 2.6.18-6 system? |
| 13:17.33 | azeem | l0c4lh0st: it's /etc/modprobe.d now |
| 13:17.35 | azeem | I think |
| 13:17.37 | alecssy1 | Nyle: my whole week was a fantastic one |
| 13:17.46 | l0c4lh0st | I need to add a line to it... |
| 13:17.51 | alecssy1 | Nyle: monday both my pc were fucked up |
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| 13:17.55 | enouf | loca|host: man modprobe.conf and azeem noted |
| 13:18.01 | alecssy1 | and i couldn't use them for the rest of the week |
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| 13:18.07 | enouf | er wrong loca|host , i mean l0c4lh0st |
| 13:18.13 | l0c4lh0st | ok thanks |
| 13:18.20 | l0c4lh0st | Not sure how to add that line now, though |
| 13:18.37 | enouf | create a file that has the params you want |
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| 13:19.15 | Nyle | what is so special about zsh |
| 13:19.16 | rela | thanks, it worked :) |
| 13:19.26 | l0c4lh0st | I need to add this: alias rausb0 rt73 |
| 13:19.29 | enouf | i think you only need start the line with "options ..., perhaps install, but not sure |
| 13:19.29 | l0c4lh0st | to modules.conf |
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| 13:19.44 | enouf | yeah, hit the man pages |
| 13:19.45 | michiel__ | i'm getting this error when starting up apache: No space left on device: mod_rewrite: could not create rewrite_log_lock |
| 13:19.53 | michiel__ | i'm told to check quota |
| 13:19.55 | azeem | l0c4lh0st: looks like /etc/modprobe.d/aliases is the file you want to modify |
| 13:20.07 | michiel__ | where to look? |
| 13:20.29 | Eulex | michiel__, firstly, one of your partitions aren't filled up, right? |
| 13:20.50 | michiel__ | i checked with df -h |
| 13:20.53 | alecssy1 | it finally works |
| 13:20.59 | l0c4lh0st | azeem: I'll try thanks |
| 13:21.16 | michiel__ | have lots of space a/v |
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| 13:21.23 | alecssy1 | if i could install nvidia driver .... the week would be complete |
| 13:21.29 | michiel__ | on each fs |
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| 13:22.08 | michiel__ | Eulex: what else can I check? |
| 13:22.12 | wols | alecssy1: what card? |
| 13:22.12 | spectie | if i'm wondering if a licence is free/non-free or GPL-compatible/non-GPL-compatible would it be best to send an email to debian-legal ? |
| 13:22.18 | wols | alecssy1: and what debian version? |
| 13:22.33 | alecssy1 | nvidia geforce go6100 on etch |
| 13:22.35 | ice63 | alecssy1: are you runing lenny ? |
| 13:22.50 | ice63 | ok |
| 13:22.52 | wols | alecssy1: etch drivers don't work? |
| 13:22.59 | alecssy1 | not really |
| 13:23.00 | Eulex | michiel__, quotas, as you had been told |
| 13:23.05 | wols | alecssy1: any errors? |
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| 13:23.38 | alecssy1 | no ... it just doesn't setup correctly ... and when i hit alt-f1 i can't see the console |
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| 13:23.55 | wols | doesn't setup correctly doesn't tell us much... |
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| 13:24.09 | michiel__ | Eulex: i think i even don't have quota installed. -su: quotacheck: command not found |
| 13:24.15 | ManuP | what is a good online portscanner? |
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| 13:24.36 | liable | ManuP: a web based one? |
| 13:24.42 | alecssy1 | i don't know how to explain what it does |
| 13:24.55 | ManuP | liable, yes |
| 13:25.06 | ManuP | i need to scan my system from the outsid |
| 13:25.08 | ManuP | e |
| 13:25.09 | wols | !tell alecssy1 about simple sid backport |
| 13:25.10 | Eulex | michiel__, do you have any limits in /etc/security/limits.conf? |
| 13:25.21 | wols | alecssy1: you can try and backport nvidia-graphics-drvers from there |
| 13:25.33 | liable | ManuP: theres one called port sentry or something iirc |
| 13:25.37 | alecssy1 | if i install debian way .... i think it works in xserver .... but when i hit alt-f1 i get some colors moving so i can't use the console anymore |
| 13:26.02 | alecssy1 | if i isntall using their driver .... i get the same thing on xserver |
| 13:26.13 | michiel__ | Eulex: everything is commented out htere |
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| 13:27.10 | SparFux | are there any amd64 archive sites? |
| 13:27.20 | ManuP | liable, portsentry is for installation ?! |
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| 13:27.27 | alecssy1 | and their driver doesn't detect my monitor properly ... i think it's the refresh freq so it screws my image |
| 13:27.56 | Eulex | michiel__, does ipcs -s output anything? |
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| 13:28.17 | ManuP | nmap-online.com is a good one, i guess :) |
| 13:28.17 | wols | alecssy1: that is not their driver which does it. config your xorg.conf differently manually if read-edid screws up |
| 13:28.18 | liable | ManuP: nah, theres a web based one. |
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| 13:28.42 | wols | SparFux: any debian repo has a amd64 part |
| 13:28.44 | michiel__ | Eulex: yes it does |
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| 13:28.50 | ManuP | liable, right. and i wanted a web-based one :) |
| 13:28.53 | Eulex | michiel__, try what is on http://blog.eukhost.com/webhosting/mod_rewrite-could-not-create-rewrite_log_lock/ , but replace 'apache' with 'www-data' |
| 13:28.54 | alecssy1 | wols: i tried that too .. |
| 13:29.09 | SparFux | wols: repo, but snapshot doesn't. I want a kernel which isn't available in unstable anymore. |
| 13:29.23 | alecssy1 | i commented monitor options and i get the same result |
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| 13:29.29 | michael | if i export my /dev dir using NFS, do i need the webcam driver installed on the server . . or is it enough with it running on the client (qc-usb -> quickcam kernel module on client) ? |
| 13:29.43 | michael | im not sure /dev/video0 refers to the camera before the driver is loaded, on the server, has anyone tried compiling the qc-usb kernel module? |
| 13:30.07 | michael | i cannot compile the module on my server, thats why i only want it running on my client. |
| 13:30.15 | ice63 | alecssy1: what nvidia card are you useing ? |
| 13:30.18 | Eulex | uh, nfs can export device files? |
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| 13:30.29 | alecssy1 | geforce go6100 |
| 13:30.33 | michael | Eulex: they're regular files, so i hoped :) |
| 13:30.50 | michael | i just point my imaging program to the nfs mount files. |
| 13:30.56 | SparFux | ah, got what I need. I use kernel from eth-amd64 :-) |
| 13:31.02 | azeem | michael: they are not regular files |
| 13:31.03 | ice63 | alecssy1: ok |
| 13:31.03 | Eulex | device files certainly aren't 'regular files' |
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| 13:31.14 | azeem | michael: or at least, Linux doesn't treat them like that |
| 13:31.23 | michael | ok azeem , so my nfs approach is wrong? |
| 13:31.26 | azeem | yes |
| 13:31.33 | michael | any other suggestion ? |
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| 13:31.44 | DA-Laptop | Hello |
| 13:31.51 | azeem | michael: I've no idea what problem you are trying to solve |
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| 13:31.55 | DA-Laptop | I noticed last night that, for whatever reason, my touchpad isn't working any more |
| 13:31.59 | michael | i need to make my server capture data using my quickcam express , and use that stream on my client machine, preferably using normal device files |
| 13:32.02 | DA-Laptop | Nor the buttons under it |
| 13:32.15 | SparFux | have to restart I guess. |
| 13:32.21 | DA-Laptop | I'm using a mouse now, but that can't be a permanent solution |
| 13:32.38 | abrotman | DA-Laptop: did you try booting without a mouse attached? |
| 13:32.39 | michael | how can i export the device files azeem , must be possible somehow.. what about codafs? |
| 13:32.47 | azeem | michael: look |
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| 13:32.55 | DA-Laptop | abrotman: I didn't have the mouse in when I booted |
| 13:33.03 | DA-Laptop | abrotman: And I rarely turn this thing off. |
| 13:33.03 | azeem | whether or not you can export device files is irrelevant |
| 13:33.10 | azeem | you cannot export *devices* that way |
| 13:33.18 | abrotman | DA-Laptop: does 'dmesg' see it? |
| 13:33.23 | azeem | michael: you need some network streaming protocol |
| 13:33.26 | michiel__ | Eulex: usage: ipcrm [ [-q msqid] [-m shmid] [-s semid] [-Q msgkey] [-M shmkey] [-S semkey] ... ] deprecated usage: ipcrm {shm | msg | sem} id ... |
| 13:33.52 | DA-Laptop | abrotman: Mind if I paste you the output in a query? |
| 13:34.02 | Eulex | michiel__, no idea, that was just the first hit on google. |
| 13:34.08 | michael | azeem: i can cat /mnt/random |
| 13:34.15 | michael | which is on my other server. exported via nfs |
| 13:34.26 | azeem | michael: but it just reads the *local* random sutff |
| 13:34.27 | azeem | stuff |
| 13:34.29 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:34.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:34.32 | abrotman | DA-Laptop: ^^ |
| 13:34.37 | DA-Laptop | ok... |
| 13:34.38 | azeem | not the random data from the other machine |
| 13:34.49 | azeem | michael: well |
| 13:34.51 | DA-Laptop | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/qDepjB84.html |
| 13:34.57 | azeem | michael: let me rephrase |
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| 13:35.06 | Bash | can someone link me to a tutorial/help me here with getting my inet working FASTER on a debian computer? |
| 13:35.07 | XoX | anyone know what the --initrd switch does to "make-kpkg --initrd" ? |
| 13:35.18 | Bash | Max transfer speeds are ~1kB/s |
| 13:35.21 | asg | XoX: the manpage does |
| 13:35.21 | Bash | should be 800 that |
| 13:35.22 | azeem | michael: there is no POSIX way to get to the data from the webcam, AFAIK |
| 13:35.24 | michael | azeem: i would just prefer device files , but i see that network access would be easier |
| 13:35.47 | michael | ok |
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| 13:36.11 | abrotman | DA-Laptop: what is your mouse device for X ? |
| 13:36.23 | DA-Laptop | Umm.. how do I check? |
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| 13:36.32 | Haris1 | how do I tell eth2 not to show me pppoe stuff going on ? |
| 13:36.40 | Haris1 | ah, just tell it to give me icmp would do |
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| 13:37.13 | michael | azeem: http://pastebin.com/m4b6653a1 |
| 13:37.15 | XoX | If make-kpkg is generating a kernel-image package, perform any actions necessary for a kernel loaded using initrd. " |
| 13:37.19 | XoX | what does this mean! |
| 13:37.21 | XoX | what actions |
| 13:37.23 | michael | do you see any reason why this wont compile on my machine? |
| 13:37.33 | michael | im running debian etch, with build-essential and gcc 4.x |
| 13:37.46 | michael | and 2.6.24.3 |
| 13:37.48 | abrotman | DA-Laptop: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:38.00 | asg | XoX: it builds an initrd (mini-root filesystem) so it can modprobe modules that are actually needed to mount the root filesystem, disk controllers, etc. |
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| 13:38.14 | michael | my src is in /usr/src/linux (symlink to real src) and i got /lib/modules/2.6.x.y/build/.config etc.. |
| 13:38.38 | Eulex | michael, yes, that driver (or at least that version of that driver) was not updated for 2.6.24 |
| 13:38.38 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 13:38.41 | XoX | asg, you mean it builds initrd scripts? |
| 13:38.47 | XoX | asg, in the deb package |
| 13:38.51 | Ace2016 | any way to force programs not to use more than 1.5GB of ram? |
| 13:38.52 | asg | XoX: and the initrd file itself |
| 13:38.59 | michael | damn i was almost sure that was the reason.. Eulex :(, sucks :( |
| 13:39.02 | Ace2016 | just incase there is a memory leak and i want to stop my system locking up |
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| 13:39.15 | michael | was just about to try an older kernel.. but then i cant use it really., i need this kernel. |
| 13:39.20 | XoX | asg, but aren't initrd files generated on the fly when installing a new kernel package? |
| 13:39.21 | hellues_ | hey are there a support in debian kernel 2-6.24 intellinet 509510 |
| 13:39.25 | Eulex | michael, try finding patches or a newer version |
| 13:39.36 | michael | i tried svn version |
| 13:39.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Any ideas? :) |
| 13:40.23 | asg | XoX: yes but this is new functionality. It wasn't always that way. |
| 13:40.56 | XoX | asg, generating on the fly is new functionality ? |
| 13:41.29 | asg | XoX: as in post-sarge |
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| 13:41.40 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:41.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Want me to paste it? |
| 13:42.10 | abrotman | no .. it's one line |
| 13:42.15 | michael | Eulex: it works on my stationary computer, thats also why i thought it might be the kernel. |
| 13:42.27 | michael | builds without problems.. cant find any patch however |
| 13:42.43 | michael | 2.6.24.3 is most recent kernel iirc , perhaps too recent |
| 13:42.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Which line do you want? |
| 13:42.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Never mind, pasted the whole thing: |
| 13:42.55 | abrotman | the one that has your mouse device |
| 13:42.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://rafb.net/p/WtnOgc18.html |
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| 13:43.12 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 13:43.12 | dpkg | methinks synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
| 13:43.28 | hellues_ | hey i ak a quenstion |
| 13:43.29 | michael | 2.6.23.9 is the kernel on my stationary. but i'd prefer not to downgrade my kernel |
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| 13:43.51 | telexicon | is it possible to not run deboostrap as root? it always says you have to.. but can you use fakeroot or something? |
| 13:44.10 | michiel__ | Eulex: tx a lot for pointing me into right direction!! |
| 13:44.23 | Eulex | michiel__, you solved it? :) |
| 13:44.26 | michiel__ | my server is up and running again! |
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| 13:44.56 | schasi | hi there |
| 13:45.42 | XoX | what does frobnication mean? |
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| 13:47.05 | kostjaXP | XoX: u sure u got the right spelling oO |
| 13:47.17 | XoX | from man initramfs-tools |
| 13:47.18 | michael | ill try the 23.9 kernel now and see if it works out Eulex , ill let you know :) |
| 13:47.27 | michael | not that much of a downgrade really. |
| 13:47.29 | abrotman | !tell kostjaXP about u |
| 13:47.44 | Eulex | michael, any special reason you're running 2.6.24? |
| 13:47.57 | michael | no, just because i recently installed my new server |
| 13:48.01 | michael | fetched the most recent stable |
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| 13:48.37 | arisv | any ideas for this? http://pastebin.com/m5021c87b (the problem still exists, however i've compiled ffmpeg, with aac support) |
| 13:48.48 | Eulex | michael, you should probably be fine with the kernel in etch. if you aren't, fetch the one from lenny. |
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| 13:49.24 | michael | i dont know the kernel in etch.. except that there are a few that you can fetch using apt |
| 13:49.41 | michael | but i'd prefer compiling myself, not using apt or apt-src |
| 13:49.48 | kostjaXP | fscking I is a letter too! Some of the english guys should embrace this truth!! |
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| 13:50.25 | michael | the only problem with downgrading may be my .config .. not sure it would fit the older one. |
| 13:50.27 | schasi | is there a nice program for finding duplicate files? diff doesn't really do the job, and uniq neither. |
| 13:50.41 | michael | but i hope, else i will need to attach monitor to my server. |
| 13:50.53 | Eulex | michael, basically you're just compiling your own kernel because you want to? |
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| 13:51.08 | michael | no , i dont want extra stuff.. i want the bare minimum for my server |
| 13:51.15 | kostjaXP | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frob |
| 13:51.27 | michael | i dont want 1million modules either to choose from |
| 13:51.57 | Eulex | michael, modules will only be needed when they're needed. |
| 13:52.07 | kostjaXP | http://catb.org/jargon/html/F/frobnicate.html |
| 13:52.07 | Eulex | they only use up a little disk space otherwise. |
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| 13:52.08 | michael | yes i know.. they take up diskspace too |
| 13:52.18 | michael | and my space is limited.. 9GB :) |
| 13:52.18 | azeem | michael: disk space is cheap nowadays |
| 13:52.31 | reZo | how can i find out which version of xterm i have installed? xterm -v says "XTerm(222)" which doesn't tell me much :S |
| 13:52.54 | michael | i got these two 2x14 scsi 10k disks arrays attached to it.. mostly 9 and 18GB :P |
| 13:52.55 | Eulex | michael, you're kernel source tree will use more disk space than those modules. |
| 13:53.01 | Eulex | *your |
| 13:53.31 | michael | oh yeah, i didnt think of that |
| 13:53.41 | asg | reZo: dpkg -l xterm |
| 13:53.46 | reZo | :) |
| 13:54.05 | michael | but still, i like that its not stuffed with modules im not gonna use, and no acpi on by default and no automodule load etc |
| 13:54.30 | michael | sometimes it can get hard to choose your module in modconf when you have 500+ modules :) |
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| 13:55.02 | Eulex | I don't even have modconf installed. |
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| 13:55.09 | reZo | asg: stills says 222, the reason i ask is because this xterm hack download, has xterm 4.3.0 avaible to download as well, i'm trying to figure out if it's older or newer than the version i currently have :S |
| 13:55.20 | michael | i dont use it too often either, i mostly use modprobe |
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| 13:55.30 | michael | wonder why insmod still is around really |
| 13:55.34 | asg | reZo: see if /usr/share/doc/xterm/changelog.Debian.gz lists the version then |
| 13:55.49 | reZo | okay thanks |
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| 13:56.24 | Eulex | reZo, basically, 222 _is_ the right version |
| 13:56.24 | reZo | doesn't have it listed, using grep xterm |
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| 13:56.36 | reZo | hmm, okay :S |
| 13:56.37 | xingu | reZo: xterm is part of the xorg xserver tree; 4.3.0 is an xorg release level. |
| 13:56.39 | Eulex | reZo, xterm is maintained outside of X now |
| 13:56.40 | michael | Eulex: Force enable legacy 2.0.X HOSTS to use DMA (BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_FORCED) [N/y/?] (NEW) <-- i hate when down/upgrading the kernel, that my .config doesnt fit any longer. |
| 13:56.48 | xingu | reZo: what does apt-cache show xserver-xorg say? |
| 13:56.54 | xingu | Eulex: is it? hmm |
| 13:56.55 | michael | now i just pray that my server boots :), i dont wanna go and look everything through right now. |
| 13:56.58 | Eulex | xingu, I believe so |
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| 13:57.11 | Eulex | http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.log.html |
| 13:57.12 | xingu | s/show/policy/ |
| 13:57.39 | Eulex | at least xterm isn't included in Xorg releases anymore |
| 13:57.43 | xingu | Eulex: cheers |
| 13:57.49 | reZo | 1:7.1.0-19, i guess 4.3.0 would be outdated? |
| 13:57.54 | xingu | Eulex: makes perfect sense, just hadn't been keeping up |
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| 13:57.57 | xingu | reZo: yes |
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| 13:58.05 | reZo | damn, oh well |
| 13:58.06 | michael | at least gnome isnt included in xorg :) |
| 13:58.18 | reZo | michael: and never will be |
| 13:58.21 | michael | :) |
| 13:58.33 | Eulex | reZo, actuallt, 4.3.0 is a version of Xfree86, while 7.1.0 is a version of Xorg |
| 13:58.42 | reZo | oh, |
| 13:58.43 | arisv | any ideas for this? http://pastebin.com/m5021c87b (the problem still exists, however i've compiled ffmpeg, with aac support) |
| 13:58.48 | Eulex | *actually |
| 13:58.55 | michael | i hate when i need a gnome program, then i will have to fetch 15+ dependencies for it |
| 13:58.58 | reZo | Eulex: if thats the case, would it matter if i compile a 'hacked' version of xterm? |
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| 13:59.06 | asg | reZo: on sarge, 4.3.0 is the version of Xfree so if you have sarge or later, you should be fine |
| 13:59.07 | reZo | would it stuff anything up with x, etc? |
| 13:59.12 | reZo | i'm using etch, |
| 13:59.17 | reZo | :) |
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| 13:59.40 | Eulex | reZo, installing a custom xterm can't break anything else than xterm |
| 13:59.55 | michael | and lots of ugly programs running in the background when you start a gnome program.. bonobo activation and other. |
| 14:00.02 | reZo | oh cool Eulex |
| 14:00.07 | reZo | thanks for the help! |
| 14:01.23 | Eulex | reZo, but note that if you scroll a little in that changelog, the version that shipped with 4.3.0 is quite old -- patch 175. it should work with a new X anyway, but no guarantees. |
| 14:01.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Any ideas? |
| 14:01.37 | abrotman | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about synaptics |
| 14:01.38 | Eulex | reZo, might also be some bug fixes and features missing |
| 14:01.40 | reZo | i might try test the patch on the latest download of xterm actually, this one looks like it came out in 2003-ish |
| 14:01.41 | mango | hi, i have installed a package for my ibm x60 for the finger print to work. I know can no longer access gnome using the password only via fail safe mode.... please advise |
| 14:01.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: It's worked just perfectly ever since I got the laptop |
| 14:01.55 | reZo | Eulex: yeah, time to download / patch the latest then |
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| 14:02.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Which is almost a year ago soon |
| 14:02.07 | reZo | i'll attempt to modify the patch to work if it doesn't |
| 14:02.21 | mango | I am using using debian lenny |
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| 14:02.31 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: does it work in windows? |
| 14:02.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Windows? |
| 14:02.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | I have never installed windows on this machine |
| 14:02.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | nor will I |
| 14:02.53 | abrotman | okay then |
| 14:02.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | I bought it without an OS |
| 14:03.48 | ice63 | mango: are you useing x in lenny ? |
| 14:04.19 | mango | ice63: I can not longer access the x. I am using safe mode |
| 14:04.23 | mango | command line |
| 14:04.25 | mango | only |
| 14:04.52 | ice63 | mango: me to |
| 14:05.10 | Eulex | what package did you two install? |
| 14:05.10 | mango | ice63: are you having the same porblem |
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| 14:05.37 | Eulex | I'm using a finger print scanner on a dell laptop, and it works wonderfully with libpam-thinkfinger |
| 14:05.59 | mango | ice63: will removing the package fixe the problem? |
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| 14:06.19 | ice63 | mango: i'm trying to get my printer working for command line |
| 14:07.03 | mango | ice63:I am trying to get back to normal, using my xsystem... |
| 14:07.14 | mango | ice63: can not leave without it |
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| 14:07.27 | wols | mango: uninstall the driver |
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| 14:07.49 | wols | mango: or check what the problem is (ie look at your logs) |
| 14:08.07 | mango | wols: I do not know what the driver name is... I did it on synaptic. |
| 14:08.47 | wols | mango: it has a name in synaptic too |
| 14:08.48 | mango | wols: which log file should I have to check..there was nothhing on the syslog |
| 14:08.50 | wols | remoave it |
| 14:08.57 | wols | Xorg's log for example |
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| 14:09.30 | mango | wols: ok |
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| 14:11.03 | mango | quit |
| 14:11.12 | mango | sleep |
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| 14:13.45 | ice63 | wols: is there a way to install my printer with out installing xorg...for comman line ? |
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| 14:14.02 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:14.14 | wols | ice63: with what apt- fronted do you install them |
| 14:14.43 | DexterF | can someone gimme a hand with mdadm syntax? I want to re-add a drive to a raid5, I keep getting this: |
| 14:14.51 | DexterF | mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --re-add /dev/sda1 |
| 14:14.51 | DexterF | mdadm: add new device failed for /dev/sda1 as 3: Invalid argument |
| 14:15.15 | DexterF | when I put --re-add right after --manage, same. mdadm 2.5.6 on etch r3 |
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| 14:16.33 | ice63 | wols: well aptitude if that's what you mean |
| 14:16.57 | valdyn | DexterF: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1 |
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| 14:17.22 | valdyn | DexterF: you dont need to explicitely re-add, that's automagic |
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| 14:17.43 | wols | ice63: configure aptitude not to install recommends and suggests |
| 14:18.30 | themill | !aptitude-fu |
| 14:18.30 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true |
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| 14:18.54 | plooper | I want to click on links on a site at certain times automatically perhaps using at foo wget bar but I have to login to the website first. how does this work with sessions? |
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| 14:20.00 | XoX | does anyone know if ROOT NFS , support needs to be compiled on the kernel , if i want to have ROOT on NFS? |
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| 14:29.31 | dirk__ | does someone know how I can make a short key on fluxbox to open Finale 2007 which is installed and runned by WINE? |
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| 14:29.57 | sepski | plooper, man wget then search for session using /session |
| 14:30.14 | hyper_ch | hello, I want to migrate my server to a new host... now I wonder is there a way I can copy/paste the users and groups so that the according uid and gid stay the same? |
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| 14:30.51 | sepski | hyper_ch, the /etc/[passwd|groups|shadow] files |
| 14:31.20 | hyper_ch | sepski: thx, I wasn't sure if that is sufficient or whether special precautions have to be taken :) |
| 14:31.52 | DawnLight | dirk__: the command will be wine win_app.exe |
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| 14:31.58 | wols | I wouldn't simply copy those files |
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| 14:32.08 | wols | it will most certainly rbeak even if the new host is debian too |
| 14:32.26 | hyper_ch | wols: how would you do it then? |
| 14:32.33 | dirk__ | Dawnlight, thanks I'll check it |
| 14:32.49 | wols | hyper_ch: copy the files but oly edit in the UID/GID > 1000 |
| 14:33.38 | hyper_ch | wols: how do you mean that? |
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| 14:34.01 | wols | like I said it |
| 14:34.15 | wols | do you know what a UID is? |
| 14:34.42 | hyper_ch | wols: but isn't that a contradiction when you (a) say copy the files and (b) only edit the uid/gid above 1000? |
| 14:34.47 | wols | debian creates UID and GID from 1000 onwards if you create users |
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| 14:35.07 | wols | no. copy them over to the new host but doN#t replace the /etc/ files there wholly |
| 14:35.11 | hyper_ch | wols: or do you mean by "copy the files" the according user files in their /home? |
| 14:35.34 | XoX | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.36 | hyper_ch | wols: ok, good :) I did not understand correctly at first |
| 14:35.49 | abrotman | XoX: ifconfig ? |
| 14:36.02 | XoX | no, *ipconfig* |
| 14:36.12 | themill | !wayttd XoX |
| 14:36.12 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, XoX? |
| 14:36.40 | XoX | /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs |
| 14:36.55 | XoX | themill, get RooT on nfs working with initrd image |
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| 14:40.12 | XoX | i think nfs script in initramfs-tools is broken |
| 14:40.19 | XoX | in etch |
| 14:40.26 | XoX | if [ "x${NFSROOT}" = "xauto" ]; then |
| 14:40.30 | XoX | there is no xauto |
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| 14:40.58 | XoX | never mind |
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| 14:41.01 | XoX | my bad |
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| 14:43.48 | Akuwamari | what is the unrar program in linux ? |
| 14:44.02 | Akuwamari | to create/extract rar files |
| 14:44.13 | cahoot | unrar? |
| 14:44.38 | themill | !info unrar etch |
| 14:45.04 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.4-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 14:45.09 | themill | dpkg: you're slow |
| 14:45.09 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
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| 14:45.48 | l0c4lh0st | lol |
| 14:46.14 | ben_goodger | poor old dpkg |
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| 14:46.19 | ben_goodger | dpkg: you need a holiday |
| 14:46.19 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 14:46.26 | ben_goodger | ehm... |
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| 14:46.46 | cahoot | on the brink obviously |
| 14:46.51 | wols | workaholics are a dying breed but dpkg is one of them |
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| 14:48.01 | spectie | hello all, is anyone on the debian-legal list, i have sent an email about an hour ago, but i have yet to see it in the list archives |
| 14:48.09 | DexterF | valdyn: that command throws the same error. I'm a bit puzzled right now. |
| 14:48.11 | spectie | i'd like to know if anyone has received it, or if i should send it again |
| 14:48.56 | themill | spectie: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/03/msg00004.html |
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| 14:49.03 | spectie | aha |
| 14:49.04 | spectie | thanks :) |
| 14:49.11 | spectie | i tried searching with the list search |
| 14:49.13 | spectie | but nothing appeared |
| 14:49.28 | themill | spectie: the list search is only updated periodically, iirc. It's also crap. |
| 14:49.35 | spectie | ah ok |
| 14:49.38 | spectie | how did you find that ? |
| 14:49.55 | themill | from the actual archives. http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/ |
| 14:50.11 | spectie | haha |
| 14:50.15 | spectie | now i feel the fool :)) |
| 14:50.21 | themill | spectie: the list archives can also lag by up to 20min, I believe. |
| 14:50.55 | spectie | ok |
| 14:52.11 | l0c4lh0st | Hm does anyone have a troubleshooting list or something for WLAN? |
| 14:52.20 | l0c4lh0st | I think I installed the driver correctly and stuff. |
| 14:52.27 | l0c4lh0st | But when doing iwlist scan wlan0 |
| 14:52.37 | l0c4lh0st | oops, iwlist scan |
| 14:52.42 | l0c4lh0st | wlan0 No scan results |
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| 14:54.06 | logd | ways to disable delayed usb write ? |
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| 14:56.02 | DexterF | logd: add "sync" option in fstab |
| 14:56.03 | abrotman | mount it sync |
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| 14:56.16 | abrotman | it will be slower |
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| 15:02.01 | themill | logd: or tick the "sync" box in the automount controls if you are using something like the KDE automounter. |
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| 15:11.02 | DexterF | valdyn: partition was hosed for reasons beyond, all fine again |
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| 15:24.56 | hikenboot_ | greetings all I am a ubuntu user I have directions for installing cedaga from cvs it says to install a package called x-windows-system-dev does this package truely exist in debian? |
| 15:25.31 | cahoot | xlib-dev or such? |
| 15:25.47 | Ganneff | ask packages.debian.org |
| 15:25.53 | hikenboot_ | ok thanks |
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| 15:26.43 | helo_ | is there an easy way i can only allow access to nfs through eth0, but not eth1? |
| 15:27.12 | helo_ | every daemon should have an "interfaces" option in /etc/defaults/daemon |
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| 15:29.55 | dacs | if someone want to help me thru ssh, what is the command that will let me and him see the same screen....xscreen or screen |
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| 15:30.57 | helo_ | dacs: talk? |
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| 15:31.35 | helo_ | dacs: i hope know the person helping you well |
| 15:31.42 | helo_ | hope you |
| 15:32.14 | helo_ | dacs: i'm not aware of any program that lets you do that... screen will only allow one person to be attached at once |
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| 15:32.41 | hope | hi hi |
| 15:32.46 | wols | dacs: help thorugh ssh how? |
| 15:32.59 | wols | all you need is to apt get the server and client and you are done |
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| 15:34.01 | hope | fuck tjose bitches in #linux yeah? im really trying to help |
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| 15:34.13 | dutchfish | enouf, thank you very much again! |
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| 15:34.31 | hope | im doing a study |
| 15:34.35 | hope | but |
| 15:34.43 | hope | i know about raid |
| 15:34.51 | hope | kernels |
| 15:34.56 | RULON | hi, how can i install something with apt.get or aptitude from my username if everytime i try to it says " cant modift... are u logged in as root?) |
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| 15:35.21 | hope | let me hang out |
| 15:35.27 | hope | and enouf |
| 15:35.33 | hope | dont hate dood |
| 15:36.17 | RULON | this is what says "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?" |
| 15:36.20 | Eulex | RULON, have you got another instance of dpkg/apt/synaptic/etc running? |
| 15:36.34 | dacs | wols: no you can use screen and the othe end use xscreen or something like that |
| 15:36.36 | cahoot | he needs root or sudo - not? |
| 15:36.41 | RULON | ummm how so? well i doont think so |
| 15:36.45 | wols | RULON: either you aren't root or another apt frontend is running |
| 15:36.51 | Eulex | RULON, well, check. |
| 15:36.56 | wols | dacs: I asked you something |
| 15:36.57 | RULON | how? |
| 15:37.08 | helo_ | hope: you are doing a study that involves our reaction to you, or one that requires only observation? |
| 15:37.09 | hope | RULON: drop into a terminal a quit aptitude |
| 15:37.14 | cahoot | RULON: you fail as user? not as root? |
| 15:37.17 | RULON | u mean if theres another terminal opened? |
| 15:37.22 | wols | RULON: you must be root, users cannot ever install and should not |
| 15:37.26 | Eulex | RULON, ps aux |
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| 15:38.19 | RULON | wols but i just saw a faq where thewy recommend to play with aptitude and pt-get installing programs without beeing root, cause that way i wont damage the system if something goes wrong |
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| 15:38.35 | hope | helo_: honest reactions would be nice |
| 15:38.44 | wols | RULON: BS |
| 15:38.59 | hope | im going to monitor either way |
| 15:39.02 | helo_ | there is no way to use aptitude so that it cannot damage your system if you do the wrong things |
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| 15:39.17 | Eulex | RULON, well, right, you won't be able to damage the system, as you're not able to install or iuninstall anything. |
| 15:39.21 | RULON | wols well is their BS then, im telling u the truth |
| 15:39.28 | wols | hope: just keep quiet then and don't misuse your enter key as you did |
| 15:39.32 | RULON | i u know spanish i can give u the link to check it |
| 15:39.35 | hope | you understand that this is a public channel right? |
| 15:39.36 | wols | RULON: it is BS |
| 15:39.46 | helo_ | hope: this is a moderated public channel |
| 15:39.53 | wols | hope: you do uindertand this channel has rules you need to abide by? |
| 15:39.57 | hope | if im out of line tell me |
| 15:40.03 | hope | im a noob |
| 15:40.05 | wols | hope: I just did |
| 15:40.10 | cahoot | RULON: you are misinformed |
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| 15:40.23 | RULON | cahoot, a lot |
| 15:40.31 | hope | i have to do nothing |
| 15:40.41 | hope | everything you say here is public |
| 15:40.45 | RULON | its my second day in linux and i dont think i have learned anything... :( |
| 15:40.47 | hope | ya? |
| 15:40.49 | hope | so |
| 15:40.55 | hope | talk to me pm |
| 15:40.56 | helo_ | you're fine, but for some reason i get the feeling that you are after something very off topic for this channel... |
| 15:41.17 | hope | maybe |
| 15:41.25 | hope | point me to the right place |
| 15:41.29 | wols | !tell hope about enter |
| 15:41.45 | wols | hope: and you are OT. do you have a debian related question? |
| 15:41.47 | hope | i want people that contribute |
| 15:41.50 | cahoot | hope: for being a mere observer you are quite intrusive |
| 15:41.59 | helo_ | if you tell us exactly what you are looking for, and we can probably direct you to the right place |
| 15:42.13 | wols | cahoot: and noisy |
| 15:42.31 | wols | hope: last chance, spill it out or STFU |
| 15:42.47 | helo_ | it is obvious that this guy is just waiting for us to ruffle his feathers... why indulge him so? |
| 15:42.49 | hope | i want to talk to people that contribute to linux discussions |
| 15:42.58 | enouf | wols: what's the factoid that allow you to install a pseudo pkg to resolve a depends ? |
| 15:43.01 | hope | that know linux |
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| 15:43.21 | hope | wols |
| 15:43.25 | Eulex | hope, have you got any specific question? |
| 15:43.27 | hope | fuck off |
| 15:43.29 | wols | enouf: something with e... |
| 15:43.31 | wols | damn |
| 15:43.36 | enouf | haha hope is n=windtunn@c-71-204-155-140.hsd1.ca.comcast.net (Windtunnel) |
| 15:43.37 | abchirk | mh does anyone here has OpenOffice Writer... I tried to set the spellchecking language but each time I set it. He jumps back to old spell checking language. What can I do? |
| 15:43.40 | helo_ | hope: much of the serious discussion about linux occurs in mailing lists... irc is used more for short correspondence |
| 15:43.49 | enouf | he got banned from ##linux not 15 minutes ago |
| 15:43.50 | wols | hope: this is OT here. we only talk about debian |
| 15:44.09 | enouf | hope: simmer down - or you'll get kicked from here too |
| 15:44.13 | hope | people who are blocking me |
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| 15:44.23 | hope | dont even know what i want |
| 15:44.31 | hope | enouf |
| 15:44.39 | hope | help me out man |
| 15:44.47 | wols | !tell hope about enter |
| 15:44.48 | enouf | wols: heh, i queried for fake, pseudo, install , miss, bleh |
| 15:44.49 | helo_ | that's probably enough enter abuse... |
| 15:44.55 | hope | i know you are the man here |
| 15:44.59 | wols | enouf: I KNOW it starts with e |
| 15:45.02 | enouf | hope: please stop |
| 15:45.06 | enouf | ok |
| 15:45.14 | enouf | me queries all Es :-P |
| 15:45.17 | hope | sure enough |
| 15:45.23 | hope | pls pm me |
| 15:45.57 | hope | so without enouf, who wants to talk to me? |
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| 15:46.03 | hope | im from usa |
| 15:46.13 | hope | and interested in open source |
| 15:46.45 | Coweater | enouf: equivs |
| 15:46.55 | enouf | AHA! |
| 15:46.55 | hope | i run debian |
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| 15:47.07 | enouf | Coweater: gracias - you too wols |
| 15:47.13 | hope | if anyone cares |
| 15:47.14 | CharminTheMoose | enouf! :) |
| 15:47.18 | wols | damn! |
| 15:47.20 | ShiftOnYou | is there any truecrypt irc channel or something? |
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| 15:47.38 | ShiftOnYou | or does some 1 know where i can find the manpage of truecrypt 5.0a? |
| 15:47.39 | helo_ | hope: you should read ESR's essays for some info about the philosophy of open source, etc: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/ |
| 15:47.43 | wols | hope: either you stop your offtopic babble or I call the ops. your choice |
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| 15:48.06 | wols | ShiftOnYou: on the trucrypt site. it's not in debian afaik |
| 15:48.07 | hope | helo_: all due respect |
| 15:48.11 | hope | but |
| 15:48.41 | hope | an old essay doesnt tell me how you meet rent |
| 15:48.51 | ShiftOnYou | wols: i know, the truecrypt site sucks! there isnt any informations about how to run truecrypt from the terminal |
| 15:49.02 | ShiftOnYou | it runs on my debian but only with gui :( |
| 15:49.15 | wols | ShiftOnYou: there is not truecrypt 5 in debian, end of story. |
| 15:49.32 | wols | and if it is in sid by now: check the repos |
| 15:49.35 | wols | !tell ShiftOnYou about search |
| 15:49.57 | ShiftOnYou | ok... |
| 15:50.10 | hope | several academics say you are all hobbiests. |
| 15:50.22 | wols | !ops please make hope stay on topic |
| 15:50.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please make hope stay on topic |
| 15:50.27 | hope | i believe there is more |
| 15:50.45 | azeem | hope: please keep it on topic |
| 15:50.51 | hope | but for hevens sake dont convince me |
| 15:50.57 | Ganneff | hope: topic is debian. do you have topic related stuff to say? if not please go elsewhere |
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| 15:51.07 | helo_ | hope: you are really offtopic for this channel. if you want to talk about something other than a specific problem you have with a debian package, you should go somewhere else or expect to be banned shortly. we have to enforce this or the channel will become less helpful for those who it is meant for. |
| 15:51.07 | hope | this is not topic? |
| 15:51.11 | hope | linux |
| 15:51.18 | azeem | nope |
| 15:51.19 | hope | pls tell me where to go |
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| 15:51.22 | Ganneff | no. debian and its support is ontopic |
| 15:51.30 | Ganneff | elsewhere. |
| 15:51.51 | hope | sorry i thought i was in linux |
| 15:52.17 | hope | i use debian though |
| 15:52.33 | hope | anyone care? |
| 15:52.37 | Ganneff | no. |
| 15:52.55 | hope | lol righto then |
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| 15:54.45 | hope | see the problem is |
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| 15:54.54 | Haris1 | Hello people |
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| 15:54.57 | themill | hope: please take your burbling to #hopeless. And stop hitting Enter. |
| 15:55.03 | hope | my friends dont give a toss about linux |
| 15:55.13 | Haris1 | Who in the name of heck built squid with such a small number of file descriptors for etch? |
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| 15:55.21 | Haris1 | who the heck+ |
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| 15:55.29 | wols | thank you |
| 15:55.29 | azeem | hope: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 15:55.36 | Haris1 | only 4096 fs |
| 15:55.39 | Haris1 | fs = fd |
| 15:55.39 | azeem | hope: please try to be more signal and less noise in the future |
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| 15:55.55 | azeem | Haris1: that's likely a kernel limit |
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| 15:57.46 | Haris1 | azeem: I have 102271 fd set in /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 15:57.56 | S4nD3r | When I tried to mount my usb device, I got this error: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied |
| 15:58.00 | S4nD3r | How solve it? |
| 15:58.03 | Haris1 | Is that seperate off the kernel? |
| 15:58.06 | Haris1 | of+ |
| 15:58.18 | wols | Haris1: yes. you can change it with a kernel recompile |
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| 16:01.51 | schasi | hi |
| 16:02.07 | mkrist | I noticed that I couldn't send mail via smtp in mutt without the package "libsasl2-modules".. Shouldn't mutt depend on that package then? Or at least suggest og recommend.. It only depends on libsasl2-2 right now, and that wasn't enough in my case.. Version 1.5.17+20080114-1 of the mutt package (testing) |
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| 16:02.16 | schasi | how should i format a 250gb drive with ext3? is there something special i should note? |
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| 16:04.00 | HyperDevil | how can i install the mail command? |
| 16:04.06 | HyperDevil | Debian ETCH |
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| 16:05.11 | HyperDevil | I need to send out mails using the mail command.. |
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| 16:05.43 | hope | are you using the client built into debian? |
| 16:05.54 | S4nD3r | man mail HyperDevil |
| 16:06.12 | HyperDevil | S4nD3r: No manual entry for mail |
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| 16:06.36 | S4nD3r | Install it then |
| 16:06.49 | HyperDevil | S4nD3r: apt-get install mail... package not found |
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| 16:07.47 | themill | HyperDevil: it's in the mailx package |
| 16:07.49 | helo_ | are there some ports i can block that will securely deny access to nfs in an iptables rule, despite the random port RPC stuff? |
| 16:07.54 | HyperDevil | is this bad? raid5:md1: read error corrected (8 sectors at 354383872 on sdc1) |
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| 16:08.27 | hope | raid 5 is bad if you have two drives lol |
| 16:08.29 | mkrist | HyperDevil, you can use http://packages.debian.org/file:mail to search for packages which contain paths with "mail" |
| 16:08.32 | helo_ | could be... if it was caused by a power outage probably not |
| 16:08.43 | helo_ | i think he probably has more than two drives : |
| 16:09.05 | hope | wait am i in debian of linux? |
| 16:09.18 | xsdg | HyperDevil: how many times does it happen? |
| 16:09.19 | HyperDevil | helo_: i woke up this morning and saw 30 of these messages in dmesg, and this night both my arrays were rebuild... there was no power outage (UPS)... should i swap the disk? |
| 16:09.27 | HyperDevil | xsdg: only one time now |
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| 16:09.33 | helo_ | you are in debian. you just became unbanned for being offtopic. |
| 16:09.50 | xsdg | HyperDevil: does /proc/mdstat report any drives down? |
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| 16:10.15 | HyperDevil | xsdg: everything is up now |
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| 16:10.19 | hope | thanks helo =) ill go in the proper room now to discuss proper topics |
| 16:10.35 | helo_ | hope: excellent! good luck |
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| 16:11.02 | xsdg | HyperDevil: I would imagine that you're good then. I'm not sure why your array would have been rebuilt, though |
| 16:11.12 | boulbul | hi, can anyone please tell me whey |
| 16:11.17 | hope | yeah whenever you want to unblock me is fine... |
| 16:11.23 | boulbul | hi, can anyone please e |
| 16:11.29 | S4nD3r | how recover error messages from boot screen? |
| 16:11.37 | HyperDevil | xsdg: this is what i got last night: ata3: command timeout ata3: no sense translation for status: 0x40sdc: Current: sense key: Aborted Command end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 354383935 |
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| 16:11.49 | xsdg | oh, that's not good |
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| 16:11.57 | boulbul | sorry, I need to know which room to go for finger print to work with ibm thinkpad. thaks |
| 16:12.12 | xsdg | HyperDevil: you may want to check the cable and see if there's anything useful in the drive's SMART info |
| 16:12.13 | hope | i can just stay hre |
| 16:12.30 | HyperDevil | xsdg: ok how can i check smart on linux? |
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| 16:12.53 | wols | HyperDevil: smartmontools |
| 16:12.55 | hope | i have found that smart doesnt work with ext3 |
| 16:12.55 | zarac | $IPTABLES -A INPUT -s 62.243.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j DROP |
| 16:13.00 | zarac | is that correct if i want to filter out 62.243.x.x ? |
| 16:13.03 | xsdg | HyperDevil: yeah, the smartctl command in the smartmontools package |
| 16:13.09 | hope | but i have a scsi array |
| 16:13.30 | xsdg | hope: "smart doesn't work with ext3" is nonsense |
| 16:13.49 | xsdg | hope: depending on your kernel, you may not be able to fetch SMART info from a SCSI disk |
| 16:13.58 | HyperDevil | xsdg: Device does not support SMART .... :( it is a brand new WD500GB |
| 16:14.02 | HyperDevil | SATA |
| 16:14.06 | xsdg | HyperDevil: what kernel are you using? |
| 16:14.15 | hope | thanks xsdg |
| 16:14.19 | HyperDevil | xsdg: 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP |
| 16:14.31 | hope | how do i get into #linux again? |
| 16:14.37 | HyperDevil | xsdg: hddtemp is working though |
| 16:14.53 | xsdg | HyperDevil: maybe try `smartctl -d sat /dev/sdX`? |
| 16:14.57 | xsdg | sorry |
| 16:15.00 | xsdg | -i /dev/sdX |
| 16:15.06 | abrotman | hope: /j ##linux |
| 16:15.07 | HyperDevil | xsdg: smartctl -H /dev/sdc SMART Health Status: OK |
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| 16:15.17 | hope | i promise not to ask what people think |
| 16:15.24 | helo_ | a hope is a bot |
| 16:15.45 | hope | a hope? |
| 16:16.27 | xsdg | HyperDevil: ok, try `smartctl -a /dev/sdc | less` and look in the SMART Attributes stuff for things which seem odd |
| 16:16.33 | hope | i think you guys blocked me there too |
| 16:16.35 | hope | somehow |
| 16:16.40 | xsdg | HyperDevil: also, there's an error log near the bottom |
| 16:17.01 | HyperDevil | xsdg: Device does not support SMART |
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| 16:17.22 | xsdg | HyperDevil: does '-d sat' help? |
| 16:17.31 | hope | but lets look at why. ive asked to talk to gurus offline. im not trying to divert the channel topics |
| 16:17.32 | xsdg | (it's odd that it'd tell you the health, but not other info) |
| 16:17.37 | themill | hope: please stop rambling or stay on topic or go away. |
| 16:17.38 | HyperDevil | xsdg: > INVALID ARGUMENT TO -d: sat |
| 16:17.48 | xsdg | HyperDevil: what version of smartmontools do you have? |
| 16:17.51 | HyperDevil | xsdg: yes it is odd... |
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| 16:18.18 | HyperDevil | xsdg: version 5.36 |
| 16:18.33 | hope | im really trying to go away but i cant get into # linux and i feel like you all have something to do with it |
| 16:18.39 | xsdg | HyperDevil: oh, are you running it as root? |
| 16:18.41 | HyperDevil | xsdg: it is the same on all the other disks to.. |
| 16:18.46 | HyperDevil | xsdg: yes afcrouse |
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| 16:18.57 | hope | should i change my nick? |
| 16:18.57 | helo_ | hope: they blocked you a while ago, just before you came in here |
| 16:19.33 | HyperDevil | xsdg: maybe reboot the machine and see what happens?? |
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| 16:19.39 | xsdg | HyperDevil: reboot probably won't help |
| 16:19.40 | helo_ | hope: you won't be able to get back in there for a while, you will have to wait. you should really type "/leave #debian" to save any more unpleasantness |
| 16:19.47 | HyperDevil | xsdg: and check the sata cables? |
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| 16:20.03 | xsdg | HyperDevil: my only guess is that it's a kernel version thing |
| 16:20.17 | HyperDevil | xsdg: something with the kernel and mdadm? |
| 16:20.21 | xsdg | HyperDevil: but yeah, you may want to unplug and replug both ends of that cable |
| 16:20.25 | xsdg | HyperDevil: no (one sec) |
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| 16:20.43 | HyperDevil | xsdg: there will not be any dataloss or something right? |
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| 16:21.26 | xsdg | HyperDevil: grabbing data like that wasn't supported by the kernel for some time, so it's possible that your kernel predates when that support was added (again, I'm not sure when exactly support was added, so that might not be the issue) |
| 16:21.46 | xsdg | HyperDevil: it's also possible that you need a more recent version of smartmontools |
| 16:21.47 | HyperDevil | xsdg: i am using the lastet standard etch kernel.. |
| 16:22.09 | HyperDevil | xsdg: this is the latest in the etch pool.. |
| 16:22.16 | xsdg | HyperDevil: the kernels in etch are old (they're stable, which means "well-tested," but "well-tested" implies "old") |
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| 16:22.48 | mkrist | helo_, it worked :P |
| 16:22.52 | xsdg | HyperDevil: you might look for a backport of smartmontools or of a more recent kernel |
| 16:23.04 | HyperDevil | xsdg: yes that is true it is definently not new.. i have run Sarge for many years with MDADM without 1 drive failing... now i installed 4 new disks and etch.. and then i get this ... |
| 16:23.05 | heffay | jez thank god i use debian |
| 16:23.15 | helo_ | hahahahaha |
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| 16:23.58 | HyperDevil | xsdg: this is a production server, so will the new kernel run well without problems? |
| 16:24.17 | mkrist | If a package needs some other package in order for it to fully function, shouldn't it either deppend, suggest og recommend that other package? |
| 16:24.28 | abrotman | mkrist: one of those .. usually |
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| 16:24.51 | mkrist | Yeah.. I wrote about mutt earlier.. I'm gonna paste it again |
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| 16:24.57 | abrotman | paste? |
| 16:25.01 | mkrist | I noticed that I couldn't send mail via smtp in mutt without the package "libsasl2-modules".. Shouldn't mutt depend on that package then? Or at least suggest og recommend.. It only depends on libsasl2-2 right now, and that wasn't enough in my case.. Version 1.5.17+20080114-1 of the mutt package (testing) |
| 16:25.08 | xsdg | HyperDevil: I don't think I can say "yes" or "no" to that. I'm currently running 2.6.22.9 on this machine, and it does everything I need it to. However, it may have issues that I haven't discovered/haven't been discovered |
| 16:25.10 | abrotman | we have lastlog ... |
| 16:25.19 | mkrist | What is that? |
| 16:25.26 | abrotman | mkrist: /lastlog mkrist |
| 16:25.42 | abrotman | mkrist: anyways .. that sounds like a mailserver configuration thing .. |
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| 16:25.48 | HyperDevil | xsdg: all the arrays are now clean, i will install a new disk /dev/hdc tomarrow and monitor it for a while... |
| 16:26.12 | xsdg | abrotman: I presume a patch for the root escalation kernel bug was put into etch? Do you know what version it's in (or how to find out)? |
| 16:26.24 | abrotman | xsdg: you mean the vmsplice thing ? |
| 16:26.28 | xsdg | abrotman: yeah |
| 16:26.39 | abrotman | xsdg: the -6- versions for x86 |
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| 16:27.04 | abrotman | i guess -6- for all |
| 16:27.13 | abrotman | xsdg: don't you subscribe to the DSA list ? |
| 16:27.30 | xsdg | abrotman: no, I always tell myself I should (and it's true), but I'm always lazy |
| 16:27.34 | mkrist | abrotman, my point is that the smtp-sending didn't function without package and mutt doesn't depend, suggest og recommend the necessary package.. It does, however, depend on the package libsasl2-2, which in turn recommends libsasl2-modules |
| 16:27.47 | mkrist | abrotman, but that's a couple links out |
| 16:27.50 | HyperDevil | everytimg i do: apt-get upgrade i get this error : The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686 why?? |
| 16:28.35 | xsdg | HyperDevil: you should probably update your kernel anyway (assuming abrotman's got his numbers right) -- there's a root escalation bug that existed in 2.6.X which was apparently fixed in 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 16:28.51 | abrotman | mkrist: but if your mailserver didn't require authentication .. it wouldn't be an issue ? |
| 16:28.52 | HyperDevil | xsdg: how can i update it? |
| 16:29.09 | abrotman | xsdg: are you saying i'm .. wrong??! |
| 16:29.27 | abrotman | xsdg: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1494 |
| 16:30.07 | enouf | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00056.html |
| 16:30.15 | mkrist | abrotman, true.. so it's the users problem to find out that he needs that package if his mailserver requires authentication? I'm just asking to try to find out how the packages should depend on each other |
| 16:30.20 | HyperDevil | xsdg: how can i update it? |
| 16:30.21 | xsdg | abrotman: just citing my sources 8) |
| 16:30.29 | enouf | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/releases/linux-2.6/2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=10501&sc=1 |
| 16:30.46 | abrotman | mkrist: you could file a wishlist bug to state it as a suggests ? i'm not sure what else to tell you .. it's not a true dependency obviously |
| 16:30.47 | xsdg | HyperDevil: update and install linux-image-2.6.18, I believe |
| 16:31.11 | xsdg | HyperDevil: it might have a more complicated name, though |
| 16:31.35 | HyperDevil | i have done: apt-get update .... apt-get upgrade, i get this message: The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 16:31.48 | enouf | see /topic 4.0r3 has fix in it |
| 16:31.55 | xsdg | HyperDevil: ok, do apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:32.25 | xsdg | HyperDevil: (there are some things `apt-get upgrade` holds back on, but upgrading manually should still work) |
| 16:32.31 | enouf | try update and dist-upgrade but only if only etch and security are in your sources.lsit |
| 16:32.45 | enouf | and only those |
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| 16:32.54 | HyperDevil | xsdg: it is now installed... i will reboot |
| 16:33.03 | xsdg | HyperDevil: cool |
| 16:33.16 | mkrist | abrotman, I know it isn't :) I'm just trying to find out how it _should_ be.. Of course it is a tradeoff between too many depending packages vs. total functionality because users have different needs, but it could be easier for users, which need that package without knowing it.. I dont know how it should be.. I am asking as to what the Debian policy og idea is :) |
| 16:33.44 | HyperDevil | xsdg: hopefully it will boot :) |
| 16:33.51 | abrotman | mkrist: it should probably be in a /usr/share/doc/mutt/mutt_SASL_and_you.README |
| 16:34.06 | techouse | migrating to sid :D |
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| 16:34.37 | luca__ | I guys, I have a grub problem, someone can help me? |
| 16:34.49 | HyperDevil | xsdg: will this maybe fix the error with the disk? |
| 16:34.50 | mkrist | abrotman, I see, thanks |
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| 16:35.04 | xsdg | HyperDevil: the error? likely not |
| 16:35.11 | HyperDevil | xsdg: ok |
| 16:35.13 | xsdg | HyperDevil: you should check the disk's cable |
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| 16:35.16 | luca__ | well, I try to explain |
| 16:35.32 | heffay | tell us about grub |
| 16:35.36 | xsdg | HyperDevil: if you do that and it happens again, you may want to run a SMART test, or just replace the drive if you've got a spare |
| 16:35.36 | XoX | how do i create ./debian directories for 3rd party modules |
| 16:35.40 | luca__ | my old working configuration was: |
| 16:35.40 | luca__ | -4 sata disks /dev/sda,sdb,sdc,sdd. |
| 16:35.40 | luca__ | -they have 2 partitions each (ex: sda5,sda6). |
| 16:35.40 | luca__ | -The system is raid5 on sda6,sdb6,sdc6,sdd6. |
| 16:35.40 | luca__ | -Boot partiton is out of md array, /dev/sdc5 is mounted on /boot so groot was set to (hd2,4). |
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| 16:35.41 | XoX | so i can create packages for them |
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| 16:36.13 | luca__ | ops |
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| 16:36.13 | abrotman | mkrist: there was nothing about that at all ? |
| 16:36.21 | abrotman | !tell luca__ about paste |
| 16:36.26 | xsdg | XoX: I usually just copy one from a similar package, then edit things and build |
| 16:36.37 | HyperDevil | xsdg: State : clean still looks good, and i have a new kernel woohoo :) |
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| 16:36.43 | XoX | xsdg, yes i used to do that too , but i want to build my own |
| 16:36.48 | xsdg | HyperDevil: cool |
| 16:37.02 | luca__ | here is my problem http://rafb.net/p/wq26Qh86.html |
| 16:37.07 | xsdg | XoX: google for "debian packaging guidelines" should get you to the right place, I believe |
| 16:37.08 | HyperDevil | xsdg: i will monitor the disk :) thanks for the help!.. i can now delete the old kernel right? |
| 16:37.23 | xsdg | HyperDevil: you shouldn't have to |
| 16:37.37 | xsdg | HyperDevil: when the package was upgraded, the old one should have been removed automatically |
| 16:37.48 | heffay | luca__: im sorry that is way over my head |
| 16:37.52 | HyperDevil | xsdg: i can still select it on boot... |
| 16:38.05 | xsdg | HyperDevil: oh, try update-grub |
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| 16:38.20 | xsdg | (then see if it's still listed in /boot/grub/menu.lst) |
| 16:38.21 | HyperDevil | xsdg: the old kernel is still installed |
| 16:38.24 | heffay | thats alot of partitions |
| 16:38.27 | xsdg | HyperDevil: hmm |
| 16:38.41 | luca__ | heffay: ok tnx |
| 16:38.43 | abrotman | heffay: do you need help? |
| 16:38.56 | xsdg | HyperDevil: sure, though make absolutely sure you don't accidentally remove the kernel you're using :o) |
| 16:39.04 | heffay | yes i do abrotman |
| 16:39.10 | abrotman | heffay: then ask your question |
| 16:39.11 | HyperDevil | xsdg: vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 .... vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 16:39.19 | abrotman | heffay: as long as it is related to Debian |
| 16:39.24 | XoX | make[3]: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. |
| 16:39.27 | XoX | what does this mean |
| 16:40.02 | heffay | abrotman: where can i find linux savvy people that arent jerks about distributions? or newcomers in general? |
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| 16:40.13 | abrotman | heffay: as long as it is related to Debian |
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| 16:40.21 | valdyn | XoX: it means that system time < timestamp on a file involved in the build, or similar |
| 16:40.27 | mkrist | abrotman, not that I can see, it does say something about libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit for some "GSSAPI" auth in README.Debian though.. but "libsasl2-modules" isn't mentioned in any files in /usr/share/doc/mutt/ or subdirs |
| 16:40.28 | heffay | im a debian user |
| 16:40.30 | jelly-ho | XoX: your clock has been going backwards. Make relies on that not happening to figure out which files need to be rebuilt |
| 16:40.42 | heffay | but my curiosity is more linux related |
| 16:40.49 | abrotman | heffay: then ask ##linux |
| 16:40.50 | heffay | not debian specific |
| 16:41.02 | heffay | im banned |
| 16:41.02 | luca__ | <abrotman> can u help me? |
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| 16:41.14 | abrotman | luca__: i'm looking .. stupid pastebin didn't wrap |
| 16:41.20 | heffay | i have NO idea whay |
| 16:41.24 | luca__ | asd |
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| 16:42.40 | heffay | luca are you using some kind of hdd controller or are they plugged into the MB? |
| 16:42.48 | luca__ | mb |
| 16:42.59 | luca__ | no external controllers |
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| 16:44.09 | valdyn | luca__: why are you thinking you can just change the device map? |
| 16:44.10 | xsdg | XoX: you should install ntpdate and ntp |
| 16:44.30 | valdyn | luca__: hd0 is the disk that your bios thinks is the first disk |
| 16:44.37 | xsdg | XoX: those will synchronize your clock and keep it synchronized |
| 16:44.49 | XoX | it is syncronized |
| 16:44.50 | XoX | i use ntp |
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| 16:45.00 | XoX | i got that when compiling a 3rd party kernel module |
| 16:45.05 | luca__ | valdyn: so? |
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| 16:45.19 | xsdg | XoX: what time do you have? (/exec -o date) |
| 16:45.26 | valdyn | luca__: so why are you manually editing device.map ? |
| 16:45.31 | XoX | Sun Mar 2 18:45:31 IST 2008 |
| 16:45.33 | enouf | XoX: are you using a VM? that's a CPU, TSC issue |
| 16:45.52 | stalker_ | hi all, what is channel to ask question about making .deb file? |
| 16:45.57 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 16:45.58 | dpkg | methinks mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 16:46.16 | valdyn | luca__: hd0 remains sda if your bios boots from sda |
| 16:46.17 | xsdg | XoX: cool. so do you know what file it was complaining about? |
| 16:46.37 | luca__ | deleting device.map and running grub install it rewrite device.map and the file was equal to the one I made |
| 16:46.43 | valdyn | luca__: if your bios suddenly booted from hda, only then your hd0 would be hda |
| 16:46.46 | valdyn | luca__: i see |
| 16:46.54 | xsdg | XoX: it's possible that the machine the source was created on had a clock that was off, which could cause the same warning |
| 16:46.58 | valdyn | luca__: maybe the scanning is going wrong |
| 16:47.12 | XoX | xsdg, that sounds reasonable |
| 16:47.23 | valdyn | luca__: but you need to install grub in hda then if hda really is hd0 |
| 16:47.50 | heffay | . |
| 16:47.55 | valdyn | luca__: or alternatively change your bios boot sequence |
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| 16:48.13 | xsdg | luca__: you may want to consider using /dev/disk/by-id/* rather than /dev/sdX |
| 16:48.17 | XoX | make[3]: Warning: File `/usr/src/r8101-1.006.00/src/r8101.mod.c' has modification time 0.03 s in the future |
| 16:48.32 | luca__ | but when I use (hd3,4) from sdb5 boot all worked fine |
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| 16:48.57 | xsdg | XoX: hmm... that definitely seems like it's a CPU load-related problem |
| 16:49.07 | valdyn | luca__: that step comes later |
| 16:49.15 | xsdg | XoX: are you on a multi-processor machine? |
| 16:49.22 | valdyn | luca__: first your bios looks at the disk it considers first and tries to load the mbr |
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| 16:49.34 | valdyn | luca__: if that is hda, then it cant boot when you dont have grub on hda |
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| 16:49.40 | XoX | xsdg, yes |
| 16:49.56 | XoX | xsdg, the thing is this file is created in compile time |
| 16:50.02 | xsdg | XoX: yeah |
| 16:50.04 | luca__ | is not an mbr related problem |
| 16:50.15 | luca__ | I read mbr and boot |
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| 16:50.40 | xsdg | XoX: so, it's possible that `make` is using a time-source that may vary between processors |
| 16:50.41 | luca__ | but when grub search for (hd3,4), fails |
| 16:50.48 | heffay | anyone here get paid from their linux know how? pm me!!! |
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| 16:51.10 | xsdg | XoX: for the record, it's normal for clocks to vary between processors, and this is often especially noticeable when the system is under heavy load |
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| 16:51.13 | luca__ | and when search for (hd2,4) works |
| 16:51.34 | abrotman | heffay: you've already been told to keep it on-topic |
| 16:51.49 | XoX | xsdg, so i shouldnt worry about this? |
| 16:51.52 | xsdg | XoX: so, if make does that check, then is scheduled on a different processor, it's possible that it would see that difference |
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| 16:52.41 | aterra | I'm trying to build a kernel module, but i get an error that it can't find devfs_fs_kernel.h I checked in /usr/src/linux/include/linux and the file isn't there (I only installed the headers for the kernel not the full source). Any suggestions? |
| 16:52.51 | xsdg | aterra: devfs is deprecated |
| 16:52.58 | abrotman | !find devfs_fs_kernel.h etch |
| 16:53.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'devfs_fs_kernel.h' returned no results. |
| 16:53.08 | XoX | xsdg, so i should just leave it ? |
| 16:53.12 | xsdg | XoX: I'm not sure. I'm not sure there's anything you can do about it (other than to potentially file a bug against make) |
| 16:53.24 | abrotman | aterra: it's been deprecated since like 2.6.12 or something like that |
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| 16:53.30 | xsdg | XoX: I'm having trouble thinking of when it might or might not be a problem, though |
| 16:53.34 | XoX | i should also file a bug against iceweasel in etch |
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| 16:53.50 | XoX | it overwrites iceweasel.cfg , after upgrade |
| 16:53.59 | XoX | i keep config settings there |
| 16:54.04 | abrotman | in your $HOME or in /etc/ ? |
| 16:54.13 | xsdg | XoX: woah |
| 16:54.30 | aterra | abrotman: so is there a workaround to make it still work with older drivers other than downgrading ? |
| 16:54.31 | luca__ | brb, rebooting |
| 16:54.34 | xsdg | XoX: yeah, make sure you use severity "serious" (which is especially for policy violations, like overwriting config files) |
| 16:55.03 | abrotman | aterra: you really shouldn't be trying to use devfs |
| 16:56.09 | aterra | abrotman: problem is i need a driver for my touchscreen to work... And it seems to be the only one 3M has released :( |
| 16:56.29 | abrotman | aterra: there's no open driver? |
| 16:56.39 | HyperDevil | how can i make my personal iptables script run on every system startup? |
| 16:56.55 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 16:56.55 | hoxu | HyperDevil, /etc/rcS.d/ ? |
| 16:56.55 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
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| 16:57.20 | HyperDevil | why a init script? |
| 16:57.24 | aterra | well they have opened up the driver but it doesn't seem no one has made a newer version. And I'm not sure I stand a chance of porting it myself... |
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| 16:58.26 | helo_ | is scorched3d in etch? |
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| 16:58.37 | abrotman | helo_: packages.debian.org |
| 16:58.48 | abrotman | !info scorched3d etch |
| 16:59.00 | abrotman | guess that's a no |
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| 17:01.01 | HyperDevil | hoxu: why not pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up.rules in the interfaces file? |
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| 17:01.32 | hoxu | HyperDevil, hum, are your iptables rules only for one interface? |
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| 17:02.08 | HyperDevil | hoxy: i only have one interface and if i specify rules for other things it will still be enabled.. |
| 17:02.45 | hoxu | does not seem like a good idea to me, but whatever works for you (and you can get away with, without getting publicly hanged here)... |
| 17:03.10 | mango | he, for all the people that helped me this morning, just want to say thank you... I got my ibm think pad to work with finger print.... you are stars in the sky |
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| 17:05.48 | xsdg | RAID question: I currently have 2 drives in RAID-1, but the array is full. I'm currently pondering whether I should switch to RAID-5 (I won't have enough disks for RAID-6), but the write hole is scaring me |
| 17:07.16 | xsdg | any comments on how likely that sort of thing will cause problems? I can't afford to lose the data I'm storing, and this machine will be the first place it hits disk. |
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| 17:09.04 | dto | hello folks. what is the Proper Debian Way to configure the wireless security key and such? do I put it in a startup script? I want the wireless to come up automatically if possible |
| 17:09.10 | dto | or at least be ready to come up. |
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| 17:09.15 | dto | i'm on etch |
| 17:09.20 | xsdg | dto: install wpa-supplicant |
| 17:09.29 | xsdg | dto: then look at its examples for how to modify /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:09.45 | xsdg | dto: (the examples will be under /usr/share/doc/wpa-supplicant/) |
| 17:09.47 | DawnLight | !tell dto about interfaces |
| 17:10.00 | dto | ah, i've used interfaces, but not supplicant. thank you!! |
| 17:10.07 | xsdg | np |
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| 17:11.00 | suwro | hello |
| 17:11.29 | dto | E: Couldn't find package wpa-supplicant |
| 17:11.39 | dto | i'm on lenny actually, sorry about that |
| 17:12.14 | xsdg | dto: sorry; no hyphen |
| 17:12.15 | HyperDevil | how can i disable the automatic motd creation? |
| 17:12.16 | suwro | I've made an upgrade to kern 2.6.24-1-amd64 - when i boot the kernel stay too long on "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" - can that timer set shorter? |
| 17:12.17 | xsdg | wpasupplicant |
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| 17:12.34 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wpasupplicant&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
| 17:12.39 | salvin | dto, open your mind :) |
| 17:13.01 | dto | that's Kuato in Total Recall :-) |
| 17:13.02 | salvin | or use bash-completion |
| 17:13.06 | ferasso | how can i recompile the kernel to safe from that last root vulnerability? |
| 17:13.09 | xsdg | salvin: eh? |
| 17:13.15 | vrkhans | hi can any one help me how i can configure easily mutt,fetchmai,procmail,andpostfix so they can work togather. |
| 17:13.26 | vrkhans | i just installed them |
| 17:13.33 | vrkhans | but i dont know how to use them. |
| 17:13.35 | wols | vrkhans: ask a specific question |
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| 17:13.51 | theatro | HyperDevil, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh: # Update motd |
| 17:14.08 | vrkhans | wols, how i can configure mutt, procmail, fectchmail, and postfix |
| 17:14.18 | wols | vrkhans: with an editor |
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| 17:14.38 | HyperDevil | theatro: i already disabled that, now when i rebooted the file is empty :( |
| 17:14.58 | vrkhans | can you help me how i can do that, |
| 17:15.02 | suwro | vrkhans: install configure-debian - it's a menu based configure tool - search your programs there and try to config them. |
| 17:15.14 | theatro | HyperDevil,so make one |
| 17:15.30 | suwro | vrkhans: that's for dpkg-reconfigure lausyness |
| 17:15.36 | HyperDevil | theatro: i did make one.. and when i rebooted the file was empty again... |
| 17:15.37 | vrkhans | suwro, i am using xubuntu |
| 17:15.50 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 17:15.50 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:15.51 | suwro | vrkhans: then ask in ubuntu - not in debian man! |
| 17:15.55 | wols | vrkhans: you are in the wrong channel |
| 17:16.15 | vrkhans | does that tool work in that too, but i feel its the same as debian |
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| 17:16.23 | suwro | vrkhans: it's like you-re asking mercedes about lexus... |
| 17:16.35 | vrkhans | :-) |
| 17:16.39 | vrkhans | really |
| 17:16.50 | vrkhans | which one is mercedes |
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| 17:16.53 | emss | mercedes and lexus are built off each other? |
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| 17:17.02 | suwro | vrkhans: no - jut kidding - they're not so different - try apt-cache search debian-configure... |
| 17:17.08 | wols | vrkhans: irrlevenat, stop the OT and go to the proper channel |
| 17:17.16 | WiQert | hi |
| 17:17.33 | ferasso | how can i recompile the kernel to safe from that last root vulnerability? |
| 17:17.51 | suwro | ferasso: what are you talking about? |
| 17:17.55 | wols | ferasso: why? debian already has fixed kernel images out long ago |
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| 17:18.09 | wols | !tell ferasso about security |
| 17:18.11 | tehbatz | hello, I am having troubles with sound in ubuntu 7.10. Every other boot I have no sound. I am using the latest version of alsa, and am doing a normal boot (no dual boot). Can anyone help me? |
| 17:18.17 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 17:18.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:18.26 | WiQert | can I run x86 apps on amd64 debian ? |
| 17:18.26 | wols | tehbatz: you are int he wrong channel. no one can help you here |
| 17:18.30 | suwro | tehbatz: ask in #ubuntu channel pls. |
| 17:18.30 | wols | WiQert: yes |
| 17:18.53 | tehbatz | alright, thanks anyways |
| 17:18.57 | enouf | besides, there's no alsaconf in ubuntu O_o and that's really the clincher |
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| 17:19.19 | dto | xsdg: are you sure that example text goes in /etc/network/interfaces and not into some /etc/wpasupplicant place? |
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| 17:19.57 | suwro | back to my problem - can boot /dev wait... be set lower ?? on 2.6.24-1 ?? |
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| 17:21.21 | suwro | when i boot the 2.6.24 kernel - it's waiting too long - can that be from... I had no new bcm43xx firmware ?? |
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| 17:22.46 | wols | suwro: waiting where? |
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| 17:23.26 | suwro | wols: when I boot the machine - it say... "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" => and wait about 1 minute... |
| 17:24.22 | suwro | wols: i want to set the wait timer to 10 seconds or 20 - on kenrel 2.6.22 - the waiting message didn't exist - or was irelevant... - now it's annoying... |
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| 17:24.50 | suwro | wols: i have dell inspiron 1501 - no need to search for new devices ;) |
| 17:25.05 | cloner | hi, what packages do you need for flash mozilla? |
| 17:25.08 | suwro | wols: most of my extra devices are on usb. |
| 17:25.12 | cloner | I am running etch |
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| 17:25.24 | wols | !tell cloner about flash |
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| 17:26.15 | suwro | cloner: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:26.56 | cloner | thanks |
| 17:26.59 | suwro | cloner: available in etch-backports contrib |
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| 17:27.29 | suwro | cloner: use this tool next time ;) http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 17:27.30 | cloner | suwro, how do I get it? |
| 17:28.04 | suwro | cloner: add backports repos. |
| 17:28.35 | cloner | suwro, what do I type in ? |
| 17:28.36 | suwro | cloner: I am from romania - so i have deb ftp://ftp.lug.ro/debian-backports/ etch-backports main contrib non-free in apt sources.list |
| 17:28.52 | cloner | suwro, I see thanks |
| 17:29.39 | suwro | cloner: use apt-get update; apt-cache search flashplugin-nonfree => if you see it - use apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree - and you-re set |
| 17:29.54 | cloner | suwro, ok, thanks you |
| 17:30.23 | suwro | wols: any clue about my problem? |
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| 17:31.23 | suwro | wols: hey - i listen your advice and switched to i386 - with amd64 kernel - it seems the box move a little bit better - and i have no more incompatibilityes - java/flash/eclipse etc... |
| 17:31.34 | suwro | wols: no more frustration for me... ;) |
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| 17:32.04 | wols | suwro: not really. some device it probably is but dunno which |
| 17:32.06 | dupesfield | hey, i've been asked to upgrade glibc everytime i try to install something. clicking yes, doesnt work. |
| 17:32.30 | wols | !tell dupesfield about bat |
| 17:32.51 | suwro | wols: i'll rebuild the image - I have bcmxx wireless card - and I had the old firmware - maybe that was the problem... |
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| 17:33.48 | cloner | hmmm, I don't get sound with my flash player |
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| 17:34.02 | wols | suwro: you can try the new bcm43xx driver |
| 17:34.10 | wols | the firmware stays the same afaik |
| 17:34.25 | wols | cloner: run the browser from a terminal and look at the output |
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| 17:34.39 | cloner | wols, thanks |
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| 17:34.48 | suwro | wols: nope... I had... b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware ... |
| 17:35.01 | wols | then do that? |
| 17:35.26 | suwro | wols: gone there, read docu, compiled bcm fwcutter, extract firmware, put it to right place - and my wifi led is on now.. |
| 17:35.37 | helo | configure can't find opengl library... i installed nvidia-glx-dev... what else do i need? |
| 17:36.03 | cloner | mozilla doesn't give any error in terminal even though there is no sound for flash |
| 17:36.07 | holst | helo: which h file is missing? |
| 17:36.11 | holst | check the log file |
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| 17:36.18 | holst | then do a apt-file search filethatismissing.h |
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| 17:36.39 | suwro | helo_: nvidia-glx-dev are libraries for development - not the binary files you need... look - use dpkg -L nvidia-glx-dev |less and you-re gonna see a bunch of .h files... |
| 17:37.09 | wols | suwro: and that is what he needs for a configure run |
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| 17:37.54 | suwro | wols: i guess he need nvidia-glx package - not the dev - right? |
| 17:37.55 | axelfOo | Hi guys. I'm trying to get gcc working on Debian (I've just come from Gentoo). I'm not too sure why I can't compile a simple Hello World! application with cc. It says I'm missing stdio but I've installed build-essential and libc6-dev |
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| 17:38.08 | wols | suwro: not right |
| 17:38.20 | cloner | axelfOo, there are a bunch of packages, like module-assistant, and some more |
| 17:38.30 | vi390 | does someone have an idea. When not able to login in "ubuntu" it only says its only possible with XDMCP. But I can login with Commandline. And looking for the config Switch, to switch it back to normal login. In the Ubuntu channels nobody seems to know about that |
| 17:38.34 | wols | alfanick: dpkg -l | grep libc6-dev |
| 17:38.37 | axelfOo | Do you know where I can find a list of those packages, cloner? |
| 17:38.44 | suwro | wols: dpkg -l nvidia-glx* give me this: un nvidia-glx |
| 17:38.45 | wols | axelfOo: dpkg -l | grep libc6-dev |
| 17:38.56 | \amethyst | axelfOo: could you pastebin the complete output from the compilation? |
| 17:39.03 | cloner | axelfOo, google, but maybe if you install module-assistant it will install rest |
| 17:39.08 | vi390 | I just need the place of the config files. Which should be the same I asume in Debian and Ubuntu |
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| 17:39.13 | wols | !tell vlt about they don't know |
| 17:39.21 | wols | vlt: you are in the wrong channel. go back to #ubuntu |
| 17:39.31 | \amethyst | why would you need module-assistant to compile "hello world"? |
| 17:39.36 | wols | cloner: please stop giving such advice |
| 17:39.45 | wols | axelfOo: it is sunday. cloner is a sunday visitor |
| 17:39.51 | wols | \amethyst: ^^ |
| 17:40.00 | axelfOo | wols, "Library: Development Libraries and Hea" |
| 17:40.03 | axelfOo | =) |
| 17:40.09 | wols | axelfOo: then it is installed |
| 17:40.30 | suwro | wols: do you know any admin on this channel - to put "DEBIAN IS NOT UBUNTU!! - go to UBUNTU CHANNEL!" |
| 17:40.35 | wols | !tell axelfOo about errors |
| 17:40.36 | axelfOo | It is. However, I get this warning: "test.c:1:17: error: stdio: No such file or directory" |
| 17:40.39 | suwro | on motd :) |
| 17:40.48 | wols | !topicsmite suwro |
| 17:40.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon suwro. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:40.51 | craigevil | its in the topic |
| 17:40.57 | \amethyst | axelfOo: sounds like a bug in the code then |
| 17:40.59 | cloner | I don't know for me, my gcc wasn't working, and then I installed a few more files from some howto I found, and then gcc worked, module-assistant or something like that was one of the five files |
| 17:41.03 | wols | axelfOo: bad include directory sor |
| 17:41.05 | \amethyst | axelfOo: are you doing something like #include <stdio> ? |
| 17:41.06 | wols | *set |
| 17:41.13 | axelfOo | \amethyst, yes, I am. |
| 17:41.14 | axelfOo | :o |
| 17:41.16 | \amethyst | axelfOo: why? |
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| 17:41.21 | \amethyst | axelfOo: is this a C program or C++? |
| 17:41.34 | axelfOo | C |
| 17:41.38 | \amethyst | axelfOo: #include <stdio.h> then |
| 17:41.39 | xsdg | axelfOo: stdio.h |
| 17:41.42 | wols | axelfOo: then learn C for a start |
| 17:41.49 | axelfOo | OK |
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| 17:41.55 | suwro | wols: topic is about apt-get keys... - which i have to recognise it's very usefull |
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| 17:42.06 | wols | suwro: read the FULL topic |
| 17:42.15 | suwro | oi oi oi - I've seen.... |
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| 17:42.32 | suwro | wols: that must be FIRST! - i presume... |
| 17:43.13 | suwro | haha - can the word ubuntu be banned - LOL |
| 17:43.32 | cloner | its wierd, I had a debian install, and flash player worked perfectly, but on this one I am on, I no sound |
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| 17:44.03 | dupesfield | alrite, heres my aptitude command, output error, and apt-cache policy at the end. -> http://paste.debian.net/50340 |
| 17:44.29 | suwro | we need a meta boot - that can be telephatic - when word ubuntu is written in the row - to be sent - to popup a message - haha |
| 17:44.57 | suwro | ok - I'll reboot - ;) |
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| 17:45.03 | \amethyst | suwro: you would be triggering it an awful lot, wouldn't you? :) |
| 17:45.06 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:46.28 | dupesfield | now it asks me to upgrade glibc on every package i try to install |
| 17:46.44 | dupesfield | and keeps getting the same error when trying to |
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| 17:48.01 | wols | dupesfield: are you running etch? |
| 17:48.09 | dupesfield | yes |
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| 17:48.27 | wols | !tell dupesfield bobbitt |
| 17:48.39 | wols | congratulations you broke your debian. you managed to fuck it up |
| 17:48.55 | wols | !tell dupesfield about bobbitt |
| 17:49.30 | wols | mising debian branches is a sure way to break your debian horribly. you now run etch with a testing libc6 |
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| 17:49.51 | wols | *mixing |
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| 17:50.13 | dupesfield | i see |
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| 17:53.17 | dupesfield | is this fixable? |
| 17:54.09 | wols | tw choices: manual downgrade or full upgrade to testing |
| 17:54.13 | wols | or a reinstall of course |
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| 17:54.36 | azeem | dupesfield: are you running a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 17:55.00 | Eulex | dupesfield, downgrading is not supported. it usually works anyway, but you'll have to force it. oh, and as it's not supported, you may keep the pieces if it breaks, as usual. |
| 17:56.21 | dupesfield | hm, yes i am running a 2.4 kernel |
| 17:57.44 | dupesfield | does that change my 2 choices? |
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| 17:58.00 | dupesfield | cus i'm thinking about upgrading to testing |
| 17:58.42 | wols | you need to update to 2.6 first |
| 17:58.53 | wols | and that can be a bitch now |
| 17:59.19 | dupesfield | now that apt-get will always ask me about glibc? |
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| 17:59.33 | azeem | dupesfield: you need to install the *etch* 2.6 kernel |
| 17:59.40 | azeem | then the lenny 2.6 kernel, then upgrade |
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| 18:00.11 | dupesfield | i see |
| 18:00.34 | Crunchy_ | Hi, can anyone help me with the installation of DamnSmallLinux? |
| 18:00.58 | azeem | Crunchy_: ask DSL people |
| 18:01.04 | azeem | we don't know about DamnSmallLinux |
| 18:01.13 | Crunchy_ | Yeah, i tried |
| 18:01.18 | Crunchy_ | They're ALL idling |
| 18:01.21 | azeem | sorry then |
| 18:01.22 | Crunchy_ | -.- |
| 18:01.26 | azeem | wait a couple of hours or so |
| 18:01.32 | Crunchy_ | yeah...np |
| 18:01.42 | craigevil | why would you want to install that to begin with? install debian :) |
| 18:01.45 | Crunchy_ | i hate this idling-sh*it |
| 18:01.50 | Crunchy_ | ah damn :D |
| 18:02.10 | wols | we hate people who ask questions about other distros. it evens out I think |
| 18:02.25 | wols | Crunchy_: ask ##linux |
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| 18:02.58 | Crunchy_ | i thaught i could ask here because DSL seems to have something to do with debian...well thats what there was written |
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| 18:03.05 | Crunchy_ | well thanks and bye |
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| 18:04.29 | dupesfield | how do i found out what linux-image-2.6x should i get? |
| 18:04.49 | wols | the one in etch, there is only one version |
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| 18:05.03 | azeem | there's 386, 686 etc. |
| 18:05.04 | wols | what cpu do you have? |
| 18:05.13 | wols | azeem: 386? |
| 18:05.15 | wols | :P |
| 18:10.08 | dupesfield | how do i found out? |
| 18:10.20 | Eulex | dupesfield, depends on what cpu you have |
| 18:10.26 | dupesfield | cpuinfo doesnt tells me more |
| 18:10.28 | xsdg | bah; how do I list X clients again? (ISTR something with "tree" in it, though I'm not sure) |
| 18:10.33 | Eulex | dupesfield, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 18:10.52 | Eulex | dupesfield, model name is the interesting part |
| 18:11.20 | \amethyst | xsdg: xlsclients? |
| 18:11.40 | dupesfield | http://paste.debian.net/50345 |
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| 18:11.56 | dupesfield | celeron |
| 18:13.08 | xsdg | \amethyst: sounds right; thanks |
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| 18:13.13 | Nyle | celeron |
| 18:13.29 | Nyle | I've used em |
| 18:13.50 | dupesfield | so i have a lot of linux-image to choose from |
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| 18:14.02 | wols | dupesfield: 686 kernel then |
| 18:15.04 | simonrvn | wasn't that simple? :P |
| 18:15.31 | dupesfield | http://paste.debian.net/50346 as you see i have still a few choices |
| 18:15.43 | dupesfield | of 686 ones ending with etch |
| 18:16.03 | wols | dupesfield: no you don't linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 18:16.09 | wols | .22 is lenny btw |
| 18:16.22 | dupesfield | oh |
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| 18:17.54 | ferret_0567 | ah, GNU Screen! |
| 18:17.57 | ferret_0567 | I did: |
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| 18:18.06 | ferret_0567 | chroot /target /bin/bash |
| 18:18.12 | ferret_0567 | apt-get install screen |
| 18:18.16 | ferret_0567 | login -f travis |
| 18:18.18 | ferret_0567 | screen |
| 18:18.19 | ferret_0567 | done |
| 18:18.21 | ferret_0567 | :)) |
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| 18:18.27 | cusco | hey dudes... I done this a while ago but I forgot... |
| 18:18.31 | untitled | hi, why debians package amarok doesn't play flac? |
| 18:18.33 | untitled | in lenny |
| 18:18.39 | ferret_0567 | untitled: install more codecs |
| 18:18.42 | cusco | how do I set a bot like dpkg to respond !public mesages? |
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| 18:18.47 | ferret_0567 | install the flac package, I presume |
| 18:18.54 | untitled | ferret_0567, mplayer does play it |
| 18:19.00 | untitled | amarok doesn't |
| 18:19.08 | wols | cmanns: by using the right trigger. but you should usually use /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 18:19.12 | untitled | like it wasn't compiled with the flac flag |
| 18:19.26 | cmanns | wha? |
| 18:19.52 | spacix_ | does anyone have a good advice what sort of open source slim CMS I could best use for a page like this : www.macpov.com/temp/ |
| 18:19.56 | dupesfield | it asks me if i want to upgrade glibc now |
| 18:19.59 | dupesfield | :| |
| 18:20.01 | cusco | wols: but the trigger is set.. I remembered there was some option to turn on.. so it listened to public |
| 18:20.17 | wols | !blootbot |
| 18:20.17 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
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| 18:20.45 | wols | cusco: what kind of bot is it? |
| 18:20.58 | wols | is it a blootbot/infobot? |
| 18:21.02 | xsdg | aah, man... it's been _ages_ since I've seen xk |
| 18:21.05 | ferret_0567 | WTF does blootbot or infobot do? |
| 18:21.06 | cusco | but I am using the modified dpkg version available at the svn.donrarmstrong |
| 18:21.20 | ferret_0567 | untitled: try installing more xine codecs :) |
| 18:21.23 | wols | as don armstrong then |
| 18:21.25 | ferret_0567 | and the flac package |
| 18:21.29 | simonrvn | dupesfield: you screwed up. you can stop it, kill apt-get/aptitude and fix sources.list |
| 18:21.29 | cusco | yes |
| 18:21.42 | ferret_0567 | untitled: libffmpeg or some such |
| 18:21.51 | ferret_0567 | untitled: and libxine or some such |
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| 18:22.07 | ferret_0567 | Get:5 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Sources [1980kB] |
| 18:22.07 | ferret_0567 | Fetched 8570kB in 54s (158kB/s) |
| 18:22.07 | ferret_0567 | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry lenny/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 18:22.15 | ferret_0567 | opps |
| 18:22.51 | ferret_0567 | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates lenny |
| 18:22.51 | ferret_0567 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates lenny |
| 18:23.06 | ferret_0567 | there it is, direct from grep's mouth! HA! |
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| 18:23.50 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 18:24.05 | simonrvn | !tell ferret_0567 -about paste |
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| 18:24.57 | Alejandro | i want to know if there is a way to do live monitoring of the system log ... ?? |
| 18:26.13 | wols | tail -f /var/log/syslog.1.gz |
| 18:26.15 | wols | tail -f /var/log/syslog |
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| 18:27.51 | Alejandro | wols, thank u |
| 18:28.40 | Nyle | hey |
| 18:28.52 | Nyle | wow |
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| 18:33.39 | hellues | hey |
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| 18:35.48 | hellues | what is the adreess of debian backport etch |
| 18:35.59 | azeem | www.backports.org |
| 18:36.14 | ServerSide | how can I convert a flash music to a .mp3 with ffmpeg? |
| 18:36.32 | expose | How to find out which partition table is used on a drive? |
| 18:36.54 | expose | which kind of partition table |
| 18:37.19 | xsdg | expose: don't know if there's a good way. Where's the disk from? |
| 18:37.37 | \amethyst | expose: the 'print' command in parted maybe |
| 18:37.39 | expose | sd card of a digital camera. (c)fdisk work |
| 18:37.46 | \amethyst | expose: for me it prints Partition Table: msdos |
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| 18:37.53 | expose | \amethyst: thanks |
| 18:38.23 | debian | can the netinst cd install xfce for me? automagicaly with x? |
| 18:38.43 | azeem | debian: you need to pass it the right option at the boot prompt for that |
| 18:39.04 | debian | azeem: To install xfce and x_ |
| 18:39.07 | debian | ? |
| 18:39.16 | azeem | yes |
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| 18:40.45 | debian | It will ask me if I want xfce? |
| 18:41.10 | debian | I managed to install debian without any sources in sources.list, so now I\ll try netinst! |
| 18:41.34 | Agiofws | hello |
| 18:41.36 | azeem | I said, you need to tell it the right option at the boot prompt |
| 18:41.52 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.01 | Agiofws | do i have to set up a samba server ? |
| 18:42.01 | debian | azeem: Boot priompt? Like an command? |
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| 18:42.46 | Haris1 | Agiofws: Good Q. Some hours ago, I fruitlessly tried to mount of some cifs shares only to get the wrong fs error each time. Frustrating time |
| 18:42.57 | Agiofws | foo@OpenWrt:~# mount.cifs //192.168.3.51/home/agiofws/share share -o username=agiofws |
| 18:42.57 | Agiofws | Password: |
| 18:42.57 | Agiofws | mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system |
| 18:42.57 | Agiofws | Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) |
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| 18:43.00 | azeem | debian: when you boot the CD, it sits there and wait for you to hit enter |
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| 18:43.13 | debian | azeem: Yes, it does. |
| 18:43.21 | azeem | debian: instead of just enter, you can write some additional options there, then hit enter |
| 18:43.25 | azeem | see the documentation |
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| 18:43.58 | debian | azeem: Where? |
| 18:44.07 | azeem | hit f1, for example |
| 18:44.11 | azeem | !ig |
| 18:44.11 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:44.21 | simonrvn | SIGH |
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| 18:45.59 | Nyle | hm |
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| 18:48.13 | debian | Nyle: I cannot run windows update because an unknow error has occured, how to fix? |
| 18:49.10 | \amethyst | debian: Windows Update runs better under Windows than Debian, I hear |
| 18:49.27 | themill | wtf? |
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| 18:50.03 | debian | So I cannot update ie6 in debian? |
| 18:50.04 | Supaplex | I never have problems with windows update, because I simply don't use windows. hah hah! |
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| 18:50.11 | azeem | debian: are you trolling? |
| 18:50.12 | some_1 | hi, |
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| 18:50.31 | some_1 | how can i disable the possibility to log into the shell ? |
| 18:50.32 | Supaplex | debian: take it to the #winehq |
| 18:50.43 | debian | azeem: I installed ie6 in wine, and I tried to get it updated, but it wouldnt. |
| 18:50.51 | azeem | debian: you should mention that, then |
| 18:51.05 | azeem | debian: we don't know about windows programs here |
| 18:51.05 | \amethyst | Supaplex: for a particular user? |
| 18:51.06 | \amethyst | doh |
| 18:51.10 | wlfwhiterabbit | i'm sorry to bore you, but i'd like to know howto bind a key combination to launch 3ddesk |
| 18:51.12 | \amethyst | some_1: for a particular user? |
| 18:51.17 | some_1 | yes, |
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| 18:51.49 | some_1 | he only need an access to ftp |
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| 18:52.17 | \amethyst | some_1: which ftpd do you use? |
| 18:52.31 | some_1 | proftpd |
| 18:53.14 | cusco | no |
| 18:53.16 | cusco | vsftpd |
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| 18:53.16 | cusco | :p |
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| 18:54.09 | \amethyst | some_1: you need to give the user a shell like /bin/false, and make sure that is in /etc/shells |
| 18:54.12 | simonrvn | cusco: make up your mind! :P |
| 18:54.30 | \amethyst | some_1: chsh to change a user's shell, echo /bin/false >> /etc/shells to add it to the file |
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| 18:55.31 | simonrvn | there's some shells admin thingy, comes with the package /etc/shells is in... |
| 18:55.32 | some_1 | ok, will try ! |
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| 18:55.40 | simonrvn | (CLI of course) |
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| 18:56.25 | simonrvn | AAACK |
| 18:57.02 | caterpillar | hi. can i use a 24 kernel which was build for etch in a lenny system? |
| 18:57.07 | some_1 | i need to be root ? |
| 18:57.11 | hellues | hey |
| 18:57.31 | hellues | does nvidia-glx driver wok for nvidia gforce 8500T |
| 18:57.38 | simonrvn | well, there *used* to be one |
| 18:57.44 | simonrvn | some_1: of course |
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| 18:58.05 | hellues | any answer |
| 18:58.08 | ericpersson | how can i see which kernel is the default in lenny/sid ? I have one i compiled myself now, but am thinking about getting a stockkernel.. |
| 18:58.24 | simonrvn | hellues: apt-cache show foo |
| 18:58.31 | some_1 | but then how i will be able to log with other users ? |
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| 18:59.09 | simonrvn | you need to be root to edit /etc/shells |
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| 18:59.21 | hellues | it says |
| 18:59.23 | simonrvn | (or use sudo...) |
| 18:59.25 | hellues | no package found |
| 18:59.42 | some_1 | i just add this line /bin/false ? |
| 18:59.45 | simonrvn | hellues: for 'foo' or nvidia-glx? |
| 18:59.50 | efaistos | do you know if there is a way to hide the boot messages ? |
| 19:00.12 | simonrvn | efaistos: /etc/default/rcS look at the VERBOSE |
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| 19:00.23 | simonrvn | hellues: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 19:00.24 | maligor | also silent option to the kernel |
| 19:00.32 | maligor | or was it quiet |
| 19:00.48 | simonrvn | i keep fogetting that one ;). not sure |
| 19:00.57 | efaistos | simonrvn: ok 'ill check that ... silent optio n ? |
| 19:00.58 | maligor | efaistos, you can also use usplash or such |
| 19:01.11 | simonrvn | .:14:00:12:. < simonrvn> efaistos: /etc/default/rcS look at the VERBOSE |
| 19:01.11 | maligor | it gives you a shiny graphical logo instead |
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| 19:01.24 | Nyle | shiny? |
| 19:01.42 | simonrvn | only shiny if you add highlights to the pic ;) |
| 19:01.45 | simonrvn | :P |
| 19:01.48 | simonrvn | afk |
| 19:01.50 | maligor | or polish the display |
| 19:01.53 | efaistos | maligor: but that's just for grub no ? |
| 19:02.05 | maligor | efaistos, what is? |
| 19:02.10 | some_1 | i added this line |
| 19:02.15 | some_1 | now what should i do ? |
| 19:02.33 | efaistos | maligor: usplash |
| 19:02.37 | maligor | efaistos, the kernel option you want is quiet apparently |
| 19:02.49 | efaistos | maligor: ok i'll check ... |
| 19:02.51 | maligor | efaistos, no, usplash hides the service startup messages |
| 19:03.05 | maligor | quiet kernel option hides kernel messages |
| 19:03.28 | efaistos | they dont do the same ? |
| 19:03.36 | maligor | no |
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| 19:03.49 | efaistos | what's the diff ? |
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| 19:04.01 | maligor | I believe I already said that.. |
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| 19:04.45 | simonrvn | maligor: hehe |
| 19:05.02 | Nyle | rogilam |
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| 19:06.20 | cusco | simonrvn: my mind is made up! |
| 19:06.27 | vlt | u |
| 19:06.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:07.05 | Nyle | nvrnomis |
| 19:07.20 | Nyle | what is today? |
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| 19:07.34 | Nyle | sunday hm |
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| 19:09.59 | efaistos | simonrvn: verbose is at no already ... |
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| 19:10.33 | varney | can anyone help me with this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 19:10.49 | varney | i tried to dd an img file to my usb, but the device just hangs on boot |
| 19:10.49 | wols | !live cd |
| 19:10.49 | dpkg | [livecd] an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 19:14.51 | efaistos | usplash is nice |
| 19:15.04 | netdaemon | i havn't set up usplash yet =( |
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| 19:15.20 | netdaemon | thats the one the unamed other uses, right? |
| 19:15.23 | varney | i tried to dd an img file to my usb, but the device just hangs on boot - by 'hangs'i mean the device looks like it is about to boot, but just stays there |
| 19:15.23 | debian | Can I safely delete anything in /tmp? |
| 19:15.40 | Eulex | no |
| 19:16.04 | netdaemon | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.15 | debian | Sure? |
| 19:16.35 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 19:16.57 | debian | Should I unpack initrd.img? |
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| 19:17.41 | holst | debian: no that will violate the license agreement |
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| 19:18.25 | debian | holst: license agreement? Sorry havent read that. |
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| 19:18.31 | netdaemon | ... |
| 19:18.34 | netdaemon | rofl |
| 19:18.35 | holst | nobody does :) |
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| 19:18.59 | netdaemon | if the GPL says that then i'm moving to bsd :P |
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| 19:19.14 | Nyle | you know, 10kb/s is horrible speed |
| 19:19.16 | RULON | to have gdm do i need to have gnome also? or can i have gdm + xfce ? |
| 19:19.29 | netdaemon | RULON: you can have gdm + xfce |
| 19:19.34 | Nyle | RULON: yes you can |
| 19:19.41 | netdaemon | it only pulls gconf and a few other things |
| 19:19.50 | netdaemon | i think maybe gksu |
| 19:19.53 | RULON | ok :) |
| 19:20.07 | Nyle | you shouldn't use gnome applications |
| 19:20.14 | Nyle | say no to gnome |
| 19:20.33 | netdaemon | Nyle: why's that? |
| 19:20.37 | debian | Nyle: Yes to somthing with a box or somthing like that? |
| 19:20.41 | Nyle | because I said so. |
| 19:20.59 | netdaemon | eh i indirectly say no to gnome by using kde so oh well... |
| 19:21.07 | Nyle | nice |
| 19:21.09 | netdaemon | i don't wanna catch mono |
| 19:21.12 | Nyle | KDE sexy |
| 19:21.49 | RULON | how can i uninstall gnome? i just want gdm, but no gnome :) |
| 19:22.02 | Nyle | !remove gnome |
| 19:22.02 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 19:22.21 | debian | Can I get kde -kde software? |
| 19:22.25 | Nyle | !install kde |
| 19:22.25 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 19:22.35 | holst | dpkg is very useful |
| 19:22.39 | SPF | I'm trying to share internet using a linux computer. eth0 is connected to my dsl modem. eth1 is connected to the network. eth0 and eth1 are on a diff subnet. Everything works except dns forwarding. How can I fix that? |
| 19:22.44 | holst | (both the tool and the friendly bot) |
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| 19:23.09 | netdaemon | so i take it that kde4 will be moved to unstable whenever 4.1 lands? |
| 19:23.23 | RULON | and how can i record logs of channels and conveersations with xchat? so next time i enter the channel displays previous conversations and dialogues? |
| 19:23.23 | netdaemon | !kde4 |
| 19:23.23 | dpkg | [kde4] a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 19:23.23 | Nyle | friendly? |
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| 19:23.24 | Nyle | dunno |
| 19:23.26 | Nyle | kde 4 sucks anyway |
| 19:23.32 | netdaemon | well it does right now |
| 19:23.35 | Nyle | it will be years before it stop sucking |
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| 19:23.47 | holst | why does it suck? unstable? |
| 19:23.48 | debian | Nyle: Is kde good for windows update? |
| 19:23.56 | Nyle | debian: absolutely |
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| 19:24.01 | just2cool | it sux because |
| 19:24.06 | craigevil | 4.2 at least or probably by 4.4 |
| 19:24.10 | Nyle | debian: you can update your konquror browser by going to windows udpate, sure |
| 19:24.13 | just2cool | it is unstable |
| 19:24.20 | MoDaX | craigevil: 4.1 |
| 19:24.24 | holst | ok |
| 19:24.29 | holst | i use dwm myself |
| 19:24.39 | holst | with no gtk and qt only |
| 19:24.46 | Nyle | qt > gtk imo |
| 19:24.47 | debian | Nyle: I use IE7 |
| 19:24.48 | holst | no? only* |
| 19:24.56 | vlt | SPF: What did you install for DNS forwarding? |
| 19:24.58 | Nyle | debian: I am sorry for you |
| 19:24.59 | netdaemon | geeze a lot of people seem to hate gtk |
| 19:25.00 | netdaemon | lol |
| 19:25.01 | craigevil | 4.1 is till a buggy pos, once they get it to where everything works as well as 3.5.8 then it will be worth upgrading to |
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| 19:25.06 | debian | And konqueror suck, I like dolphin better. |
| 19:25.06 | darkanonym | IE7?! |
| 19:25.09 | SPF | vlt: nothing |
| 19:25.10 | just2cool | does anyone use MinGWm to compile qt appz? |
| 19:25.12 | Nyle | 3.5.9 |
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| 19:25.22 | debian | darkanonym: Yeah. But it wont do windows update... |
| 19:25.34 | darkanonym | IE7 suxx... |
| 19:25.36 | craigevil | 3.5.9 isnt even in sid |
| 19:25.46 | Nyle | debian: you do realize that konqueror isn't a file manager |
| 19:25.54 | Nyle | debian: you can't compare konqueror to dolphin |
| 19:25.57 | darkanonym | use mozila-its linux programm :) |
| 19:25.58 | vlt | SPF: Do you want the LAn clients to use an exernal DNS server or your Debian "router"? |
| 19:26.00 | SPF | The guides I read didn't mention anything about dns forwarding |
| 19:26.07 | MoDaX | craigevil: 4.1 is not ready yet. |
| 19:26.11 | SPF | debian router |
| 19:26.12 | just2cool | and OPEN source |
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| 19:26.24 | craigevil | konq does everything dolphin can and more |
| 19:26.38 | MoDaX | debian: stop talking nonsence |
| 19:26.45 | raz0 | Nyle, Uhm, I believe it is in fact a file manager, among other things? :) |
| 19:27.02 | darkanonym | ur talkin about router runing on debian? |
| 19:27.05 | MoDaX | craigevil: there is a reason 3.5.9 is not in sid |
| 19:27.07 | just2cool | what about RoX :) |
| 19:27.07 | Nyle | raz0: whereas, dolphin is ONLY a file manager |
| 19:27.07 | vlt | SPF: You could install BIND (that's the really big one) or just tiny things liek dnsmasq. |
| 19:27.34 | Nyle | i manage my files through cli |
| 19:27.41 | Nyle | I use gui stuff to browse my shit |
| 19:27.42 | just2cool | me2 |
| 19:27.49 | holst | "mv" or something else? |
| 19:27.49 | darkanonym | me not xD |
| 19:27.53 | SPF | vlt: I'll try dnsmasq, thx! |
| 19:28.01 | Nyle | xD? |
| 19:28.01 | holst | yes, dnsmasq is good |
| 19:28.05 | jelly-ho | debian: windows update stopped working cca 2005-2006 for Wine. You can always try downloading and running ie patches manually |
| 19:28.08 | holst | i have it on my router |
| 19:28.13 | just2cool | i guess for proxy |
| 19:28.21 | Nyle | why are you running IE on linux? |
| 19:28.26 | Nyle | wtf is the matter with you? |
| 19:28.33 | holst | :) |
| 19:28.39 | Nyle | thats like trying to put a saddle on a car |
| 19:28.43 | Nyle | or puting wheels on a horse |
| 19:28.44 | Nyle | kinda |
| 19:28.45 | holst | Nyle: what do you use to manage a large collection of lies? |
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| 19:28.49 | holst | files* |
| 19:28.54 | Nyle | lies? |
| 19:28.57 | Nyle | my brain mostly |
| 19:29.03 | jelly-ho | Nyle: you never had to deal with an app that works only in certain browsers? |
| 19:29.03 | Nyle | for fiels, see konqueror |
| 19:29.13 | Nyle | jelly-ho: I say fuck off to those apps |
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| 19:29.23 | Nyle | jelly-ho: one time in my school I had to use IE for a math website |
| 19:29.35 | Nyle | jelly-ho: I told em to go fuck themselves and dropped the class |
| 19:29.36 | just2cool | konqueror is good,but firefox is better |
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| 19:29.42 | darkanonym | IE is half backdoor |
| 19:29.43 | Nyle | jelly-ho: I was making do with vmware/windows |
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| 19:29.55 | just2cool | and Buggy |
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| 19:30.08 | darkanonym | thats what im talkin about |
| 19:30.15 | MoDaX | jelly-ho: ok, but ie != windows update. why would anyone want to use windows update on wine? |
| 19:30.26 | jelly-ho | MoDaX: to update ie. :-) |
| 19:30.31 | Nyle | MoDaX: because of brain damage. |
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| 19:30.36 | darkanonym | maybe because he like inetrface of IE?:D:D |
| 19:30.51 | darkanonym | interface damn it |
| 19:30.51 | netdaemon | ... |
| 19:30.52 | Nyle | you know there are firefox themes that makes it look like IE7 |
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| 19:30.53 | netdaemon | you guys are nuts |
| 19:30.54 | netdaemon | lol |
| 19:30.55 | craigevil | if you need IE that bad run windows in vbox |
| 19:30.56 | just2cool | i think he wanna play games,so he try to update win |
| 19:30.58 | MoDaX | jelly-ho: if ie is just for specific need, why the hell to update it |
| 19:31.03 | MoDaX | needs* |
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| 19:31.41 | holst | craigevil: thats what I do, in vmware goes a win2k install and I am set |
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| 19:31.41 | darkanonym | playin games in internet browser is boring |
| 19:31.41 | Nyle | anyway, I doubt IE is uspported in #debian |
| 19:31.41 | holst | i *really* hope that reactos become stable enough to replace that setup |
| 19:31.50 | Nyle | if it aint in debian, it don't belong here for support |
| 19:31.51 | MoDaX | holst: there are free alternatives to vmware |
| 19:31.53 | just2cool | not for internet,he wants to upgrane wine server,i think,just like i am |
| 19:31.57 | darkanonym | do u guis know Asus EEPC 1001? |
| 19:32.01 | jelly-ho | MoDaX: perhaps the user just likes patched versions on software, dunno |
| 19:32.09 | darkanonym | or what number that was.. |
| 19:32.12 | just2cool | asus? to small for me |
| 19:32.13 | Nyle | jelly-ho: user has brain damage |
| 19:32.59 | just2cool | lol |
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| 19:33.21 | darkanonym | or maby no brain |
| 19:33.21 | just2cool | una porke hebe te mi sola turka |
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| 19:33.41 | just2cool | aja se vrtufoga hupi :D |
| 19:34.08 | darkanonym | motere fjuetere sukere |
| 19:34.10 | just2cool | maby je lepsi |
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| 19:34.23 | Eulex | english please |
| 19:34.27 | jelly-ho | just2cool: this is an english only channel. Even the swearing should be in english. |
| 19:34.41 | darkanonym | thats discrimination...:D |
| 19:34.57 | jelly-ho | darkanonym: yes. Discrimination is good. |
| 19:35.08 | just2cool | ok now |
| 19:35.16 | darkanonym | mongolids cant talk in their language...scary |
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| 19:35.30 | darkanonym | i like im not mongoloid |
| 19:35.44 | just2cool | i am |
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| 19:35.54 | darkanonym | i know |
| 19:36.00 | darkanonym | xD |
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| 19:36.10 | jelly-ho | do you two .cz guys have any debian questions? |
| 19:36.20 | just2cool | what u guys think abou gentoo? |
| 19:36.30 | darkanonym | if u know how to run Debian on PSP? |
| 19:36.41 | just2cool | lol,only like html |
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| 19:37.19 | darkanonym | we are the only cz? |
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| 19:37.32 | just2cool | maby :) |
| 19:37.57 | darkanonym | just2cool:do u know how to boot Debian on gramofone? |
| 19:38.10 | darkanonym | i was never able to do that |
| 19:38.12 | jelly-ho | !ops darkanonym and just2cool trolling |
| 19:38.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-ho complains about: darkanonym and just2cool trolling |
| 19:38.26 | enouf | !sunday |
| 19:38.26 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 19:38.35 | just2cool | wow |
| 19:38.40 | darkanonym | trolling? |
| 19:38.46 | craigevil | at least its still not as bad as #ubuntu |
| 19:38.49 | azeem | darkanonym, just2cool: please keep it on topic |
| 19:38.51 | enouf | !tardsday |
| 19:38.51 | dpkg | it has been said that tardsday is sunday |
| 19:38.58 | azeem | enouf: we got it now |
| 19:39.11 | niwt | how could a port scan show up in the firewall log if that firewall is behind another firewall? |
| 19:39.11 | just2cool | i've had a debian,but when i saw gentoo...... no comment |
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| 19:39.38 | netdaemon | just2cool: i find it relatively pointless |
| 19:39.39 | darkanonym | mabye its fake firewall |
| 19:40.01 | craigevil | wtf is the point of a firewall behind a firewall? |
| 19:40.12 | niwt | fake firewall? I think it's a cheap netgear router |
| 19:40.26 | just2cool | or dlink |
| 19:40.30 | darkanonym | :D |
| 19:40.32 | niwt | firewall behind firewall protects from the windows box on the local network |
| 19:41.04 | jelly-ho | craigevil: policy implementation. Allowing access to only some local users |
| 19:41.20 | just2cool | i use windows only in Virtual PC.it sux |
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| 19:41.40 | darkanonym | is it defaultly turned on that second firewall? |
| 19:41.42 | craigevil | wouldnt samba share permissions take care of that |
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| 19:42.37 | jelly-ho | craigevil: there can be more types of services than just samba shares. |
| 19:43.11 | xingu | craigevil: two points of enforcement was mandatory stipulation on several contracts I've worked in the past fwiw; the point being, once you've broken in, preventing you breaking out. |
| 19:43.15 | niwt | darkanonym: I'm gonna run a port scan and see what happens - I'm trouble shooting via phone, so I'm not sure about the firewall settings in the router, but I'm pretty sure it was working when I set it up |
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| 19:43.40 | darkanonym | niwt:its on ur router? |
| 19:43.47 | craigevil | xingu: yes that makes sense :) |
| 19:43.52 | xingu | craigevil: usually combined with a vendor diversity stipulation; two IP stacks between the great unwashed and the protected resource |
| 19:44.01 | niwt | not mine - it's a friend's |
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| 19:44.19 | just2cool | darkanonym is behind a NET box,so port scan doesnt take effect |
| 19:44.34 | darkanonym | wtf is net box? |
| 19:44.45 | just2cool | u connected to router, |
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| 19:45.06 | darkanonym | no,im conected via laser |
| 19:45.08 | niwt | is it possible to do a port scan on someone if they connect to your website with a browser? |
| 19:45.15 | just2cool | :D |
| 19:45.21 | xingu | craigevil: it's actually not such a bad idea, in any case; it creates a fully-controlled nogo zone (a true dmz) _between_ the firewalls; and if you only leak _necessary_ routes to the inside firewall, rather than _all_ routes, it'll let the forwarding plane provide additional insulation that is impossible with a single policy enforcement point |
| 19:45.36 | just2cool | no,but you can see the logd,and there is Ip |
| 19:45.51 | darkanonym | niwt:why cant u just ask that friend? |
| 19:46.07 | niwt | darkanonym: ask her what? |
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| 19:46.13 | xingu | craigevil: the dmz is also a perfect place to park your NIDS - so that you know when your shields are down. |
| 19:46.25 | darkanonym | niwt:if she got that firewall :D |
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| 19:46.44 | darkanonym | but i dont think she is gonna tell u that,isnt she? |
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| 19:47.03 | niwt | we tried that over the phone - apparently, the only settings in the router are for vpn enable/disable |
| 19:47.03 | Lunar_Lamp | I'm confused. If I install apache2 I get a 2.0 version, and if I install libapache2-mod-perl2 I get a 1.99 version, but mod_perl needs to be >=version2 to work with apache2... What am I missing here? |
| 19:47.37 | niwt | and only ports she has set for forwarding are a couple of high ports for skype and bitwise |
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| 19:48.01 | Eulex | lunaphyte, 1.99 == common way of signifying a beta or release candidate of 2.0 |
| 19:48.02 | just2cool | she?? |
| 19:48.07 | jelly-ho | Lunar_Lamp: which debian release do you have? libapache2-mod-perl2 is at 2.0.2 in debian stable |
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| 19:48.32 | Lunar_Lamp | jelly, sarge :-/ |
| 19:48.35 | darkanonym | niwt:i can only say good luck because i dont know how to help u... |
| 19:48.50 | niwt | ok, thanks for trying |
| 19:48.51 | just2cool | may o kknw |
| 19:48.59 | darkanonym | im glad i know how to turn on my notebook |
| 19:49.13 | darkanonym | just2cool:"hacker" :D |
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| 19:49.35 | just2cool | yes,but im not malicious :) |
| 19:49.42 | darkanonym | mali what?:D |
| 19:49.48 | jelly-ho | Lunar_Lamp: sarge is losing security support in about a month, btw |
| 19:49.56 | just2cool | zakerny |
| 19:49.58 | Lunar_Lamp | jelly-ho, ok, cheers |
| 19:49.59 | just2cool | nebo tak nejak |
| 19:50.05 | simonrvn | !dict malicious |
| 19:50.07 | dpkg | Dictionary 'malicious' (3 of 9): 3. (Law)With wicked or mischievous intentions or motives; wrongful and done intentionally without just cause or excuse; as, a malicious act. ;; I grant him bloody, . . . Sudden, malicious, smacking of every sin That has a name. --Shak. ;; Malicious abandonment, the desertion of a wife or husband without just cause. --Burrill.. |
| 19:50.07 | darkanonym | i need some big vocabulary of english man |
| 19:50.46 | just2cool | its a bot,huh? |
| 19:50.59 | darkanonym | no its robocop |
| 19:51.12 | just2cool | :D |
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| 19:51.28 | jelly-ho | Lunar_Lamp: in any case, a package named libapache2-something is made to work with apache2. |
| 19:51.30 | just2cool | darkanonym,im gonna scan you :) |
| 19:51.39 | just2cool | may i? |
| 19:51.40 | Lunar_Lamp | jelly-ho, exactly my thinking. |
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| 19:52.02 | darkanonym | just2cool:btw,forgi has said he is gona buy bigger hadr so i will try debian :) |
| 19:52.13 | simonrvn | just2cool: i'm glad you asked |
| 19:52.35 | darkanonym | just2cool:do u still have it? |
| 19:52.49 | just2cool | have what? |
| 19:52.56 | darkanonym | debian %) |
| 19:53.10 | just2cool | no,im on gentoo right now,it rockz |
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| 19:53.23 | Lunar_Lamp | jelly-ho, I assume upgrading sarge-->stable is just a case of updating the repos in my sources list and then doing the upgrades? |
| 19:53.24 | darkanonym | i mean on dvd u pfreeky |
| 19:53.32 | just2cool | debian,i think i m gonna use it for print server |
| 19:53.34 | Eulex | just2cool, this channel isn't your and darkanonym's private chat. |
| 19:53.46 | darkanonym | chill Eulex |
| 19:53.48 | jelly-ho | Lunar_Lamp: nope, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 19:53.49 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 19:53.49 | Eulex | just2cool, you may create a channel for yourself. just think up a name and join it. |
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| 19:54.04 | just2cool | but this channel rockz :D |
| 19:54.11 | jelly-ho | Lunar_Lamp: you want to read the release notes for known gotchas |
| 19:54.12 | darkanonym | does we say vulgarisms?no so chill |
| 19:54.16 | just2cool | even if i haven't debian |
| 19:54.21 | simonrvn | so? you don't even run debian |
| 19:54.27 | maligor | trolls again, huh |
| 19:54.37 | just2cool | not yet,im prefer gentoo |
| 19:54.37 | master_alvaro | it is posible to have debian testing with kernerl 2.6.24 (and few others packages) from sid? |
| 19:54.43 | Eulex | darkanonym, this channel is for giving and receiving debian support |
| 19:54.51 | simonrvn | go suck up #gentoo's screen real estate |
| 19:54.51 | master_alvaro | *kernel |
| 19:55.07 | Eulex | master_alvaro, yes, install testing, download the 2.6.24 .deb and dpkg -i it. |
| 19:55.18 | darkanonym | Eulex:ok-my question is-do u have skills to made a fully workin Debian for my PSP? |
| 19:55.40 | Eulex | darkanonym, no. I don't even know whether you can run linux on a psp. |
| 19:55.45 | just2cool | wtf? gentoo is more stable and less vulnerable system,so suck my dick |
| 19:55.54 | simonrvn | darkanonym: question is do *you* have the skills? |
| 19:56.04 | darkanonym | yop |
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| 19:56.15 | simonrvn | so go do it |
| 19:56.16 | darkanonym | i cant say "u" or what? |
| 19:56.25 | darkanonym | ah so |
| 19:56.25 | master_alvaro | Eulex: it is all? how about autoupdate this package? |
| 19:56.36 | simonrvn | what? |
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| 19:56.43 | darkanonym | im not programmer |
| 19:56.46 | just2cool | darkanonym,i will make debain on psp |
| 19:56.47 | Eulex | master_alvaro, right, if you do it that way you'll have to update it manually. |
| 19:57.00 | simonrvn | i know where they should go |
| 19:57.03 | master_alvaro | Eulex: ok, thx |
| 19:57.13 | l0c4lh0st | Hello. I'm having a little problem with wireless. Installed ralink RT73 chipset driver and I think I got everything working. However, when doing "iwlist scan", it says it can't find any AP. the funny thing is that when I hook up the Asus WL-167g USB stick on my Windows PC, it does show 3 AP's. So I'm thinking something is going wrong in Debian, I'm just not sure what. Here's a log of dmesg with the rt73 lines in it: |
| 19:57.14 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.com/m524a3acd |
| 19:57.20 | simonrvn | jelly-ho: pick me pick me! :P |
| 19:57.28 | Eulex | master_alvaro, you could do it with apt-pinning though, and pin everything but that package to testing. |
| 19:57.30 | l0c4lh0st | Maybe someone can have a look and he/she will see something that is not right. |
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| 19:57.50 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 19:57.50 | dpkg | hmm... plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 19:57.53 | just2cool | localhost:what distro you running? |
| 19:58.04 | l0c4lh0st | Debian etch |
| 19:58.05 | darkanonym | localhost:do u have that driver for rt73? |
| 19:58.14 | l0c4lh0st | I do have the driver. I installed it. |
| 19:58.26 | just2cool | i have that problem too in sabayon,use the older driver |
| 19:58.34 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.com/d37fdbc54 |
| 19:58.39 | just2cool | it should work |
| 19:58.44 | darkanonym | what is wrong to tha fuck |
| 19:58.45 | l0c4lh0st | Here's a list of my ifconfig wlan0 |
| 19:58.45 | darkanonym | sw |
| 19:58.45 | darkanonym | sd |
| 19:58.46 | darkanonym | dssdsf |
| 19:58.46 | master_alvaro | thx a lot |
| 19:58.47 | jelly-ho | simonrvn: It's not much use when other people still converse with the morons |
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| 19:58.58 | l0c4lh0st | darkanonym: Take care. :) |
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| 19:59.21 | darkanonym | damn it,my window has just freezed |
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| 19:59.23 | simonrvn | jelly-ho: no |
| 19:59.31 | darkanonym | sorry for those vulgarisms |
| 19:59.34 | l0c4lh0st | Anyone got a clue of what's going wrong? |
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| 19:59.58 | l0c4lh0st | The stick has an activity indicator on it, it doesn't light up / blink when I do the "iwlist scan" |
| 20:00.12 | simonrvn | jelly-ho: times like this where i reconsider not asking for ops back |
| 20:00.13 | l0c4lh0st | It does light up / blink from time to time, not sure what it's doing then. |
| 20:00.15 | just2cool | localhost:it is the driver,use the older,rt73-****1.0.0 |
| 20:00.22 | darkanonym | i have somewhere saw the same problem but i dont remeber how to make it.. |
| 20:00.40 | l0c4lh0st | Wait, I'll check what driver I have now. |
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| 20:01.13 | l0c4lh0st | I have rt73-modules-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx_1.0.3.6-cvs20071123-dfsg1-3_arm.deb |
| 20:01.24 | just2cool | darkanonym:fuck this shit,windows,use linux man |
| 20:01.41 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, no, that one is actually from a test from yesterday... |
| 20:01.50 | darkanonym | smart guy huh :D:D |
| 20:01.54 | just2cool | lol |
| 20:02.01 | l0c4lh0st | I downloaded rt73-cvs-2008030115 and compiled it |
| 20:02.17 | just2cool | bad,this driver wont work |
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| 20:02.26 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: tried the rt2x00 yet? |
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| 20:02.31 | l0c4lh0st | just2cool: Can you point me to the driver that will work for me? :) |
| 20:02.45 | l0c4lh0st | I was going for rt73, because that's the chipset on the card |
| 20:02.48 | darkanonym | i got it somewhere on my hadr |
| 20:02.50 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: /msg dpkg rt2x00 |
| 20:02.59 | l0c4lh0st | Are you sure it will work? |
| 20:03.08 | darkanonym | yep |
| 20:03.15 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, right, I see |
| 20:03.15 | just2cool | use google,and search for rt73-1**** |
| 20:03.17 | darkanonym | but i dont know how to send files |
| 20:03.18 | l0c4lh0st | That's worth a shot |
| 20:03.27 | l0c4lh0st | just2cool: I have been googling soooo much... |
| 20:03.31 | just2cool | darkanonym:lol |
| 20:03.38 | l0c4lh0st | Seems the whole world is struggling with this problem |
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| 20:03.50 | craigevil | why are these two idiots still here? |
| 20:03.54 | darkanonym | no way-i didnt have got problems like that |
| 20:03.55 | just2cool | have you tried http://www.aircrack-ng.org |
| 20:03.55 | just2cool | ? |
| 20:03.59 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: you might be wary of whatever just2cool and darkanonym feed you, they're not using debian |
| 20:04.12 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: show the output for "iwconfig" for that interface |
| 20:04.38 | just2cool | jelly-ho: this driver is from sources,so there is nobig difrence of what distro we using |
| 20:04.46 | darkanonym | hmh,thats true-whoppix is better |
| 20:04.48 | lior | can anyone please help me diagnose an hardware problem? my machine is rebooting all the time with no apparent reason. |
| 20:04.54 | l0c4lh0st | Here it is: iwconfig wlan0: http://pastebin.com/d1541f857 |
| 20:05.12 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: its already associated? |
| 20:05.19 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: maybe that is the reason it wont scan |
| 20:05.24 | smagy2 | lior: are the fans in your system working ? |
| 20:05.32 | l0c4lh0st | I put the SSID in the /etc/network file |
| 20:05.46 | l0c4lh0st | I should remove it? |
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| 20:05.53 | maligor | lior, powersupply would be one possibility |
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| 20:05.56 | jelly-ho | just2cool: just saying there's every reason to doubt your advice, since you're already made jackasses out of yourselves |
| 20:05.59 | simonrvn | !ops just2cool and darkanonym are (suspected) gentoo trolls |
| 20:05.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: just2cool and darkanonym are (suspected) gentoo trolls |
| 20:06.03 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: where do the double doublequotes come from? |
| 20:06.11 | simonrvn | craigevil: :) |
| 20:06.21 | just2cool | localhost:localhost:just wget http://homepages.tu-darmstadt.de/~p_larbig/wlan/rt73-k2wrlz-1.0.0.tar.bz2 |
| 20:06.26 | l0c4lh0st | I'm not sure, it looks pretty weird imo. There's a setting, essid="MySID" |
| 20:06.33 | lior | maligor: other computers at home are stable :( |
| 20:06.37 | l0c4lh0st | I think I'll need to remove the " |
| 20:06.42 | darkanonym | hey,stop that,i dont understant people from america-they are so agresive |
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| 20:06.47 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: is Frikandel the ap you want to associate to? |
| 20:06.49 | l0c4lh0st | But then again, it should still list any AP's, no? |
| 20:06.50 | l0c4lh0st | Yes. |
| 20:06.53 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
| 20:07.10 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: maybe it should , but the rt drivers are weird |
| 20:07.17 | l0c4lh0st | I've noticed that. :) |
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| 20:07.30 | lior | thought it was irq conflicts, but after setting unique irq for each pci is still crashes... |
| 20:07.31 | l0c4lh0st | I think I'll be best off doing: wget http://homepages.tu-darmstadt.de/~p_larbig/wlan/rt73-k2wrlz-1.0.0.tar.bz2 |
| 20:07.32 | maligor | lior, I meant the powersupply that converts mains to usable voltage levels |
| 20:07.39 | l0c4lh0st | and then using that driver, or not? |
| 20:07.41 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: afairc, you have to up the interface first before it is able to scan |
| 20:07.59 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: you can try "iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc; iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 20:08.26 | mentor | hmm |
| 20:08.48 | lior | maligor, you think it may be it? how can i test it (without replacing the power supply itself) |
| 20:08.54 | simonrvn | how nice of you to drop by ;) |
| 20:08.58 | just2cool | localhost: try iwconfig wlan0 up && iwconfig wlan0 rate 1M |
| 20:09.05 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.com/d24439ccf |
| 20:09.09 | darkanonym | taht wont help cool |
| 20:09.12 | craigevil | l0c4lh0st: try apt-get install firmware-ralink |
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| 20:09.14 | l0c4lh0st | No luck on that, valdyn & blubberdiblub |
| 20:09.17 | darkanonym | that is bullshit |
| 20:09.20 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: iwconfig, not ifconfig |
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| 20:09.44 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, I did that after the ifconfig, valdyn |
| 20:09.56 | maligor | lior, well, if it has lots of hardware inside, you can try removing everything except only the nessesary components |
| 20:09.58 | wols | l0c4lh0st: do you have the firmware installed? yes or no? |
| 20:10.03 | l0c4lh0st | Yes I do |
| 20:10.11 | l0c4lh0st | in /lib/firmware |
| 20:10.27 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: bringing it up would be "ifconfig wlan0 up", nothing else |
| 20:10.32 | just2cool | i prefer compiling from source! ,stable faster |
| 20:10.41 | lior | maligor, it's now with the bare minimum: video agp card and two pci ethernet card. |
| 20:10.44 | darkanonym | i prefer whoppix |
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| 20:10.53 | lior | i even disconnected the cdrom |
| 20:10.58 | just2cool | whoppix sux,use BT2 |
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| 20:11.07 | simonrvn | thank you mentor |
| 20:11.14 | l0c4lh0st | Hm. Not so nice of those 2 guys. |
| 20:11.19 | craigevil | lior: if its still crashing i would bet on bad ram or powersupply |
| 20:11.22 | l0c4lh0st | They've been pretty helpful though, sad. |
| 20:11.38 | mentor | uh huh |
| 20:11.42 | l0c4lh0st | E: Couldn't find package firmware-ralink |
| 20:11.43 | maligor | lior, does it have any other symptoms like apps crashing? |
| 20:11.46 | simonrvn | if the "help" is counter-productive, it isn't help |
| 20:11.57 | fr33k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:12.01 | lior | it just reboot. |
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| 20:12.09 | l0c4lh0st | I think I'm gonna go for the wget one ^^ |
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| 20:12.44 | l0c4lh0st | Now need to find out how to actually remove this driver lol. |
| 20:12.45 | maligor | lior, well, you can test the memory with memtest, and knowing how shoddy agp is, if you have a old pci card around, you can try with that |
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| 20:12.53 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: are you doign the iwlist scan as root? |
| 20:12.57 | l0c4lh0st | Hm the wlan activity LED is going crazy now |
| 20:13.01 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, valdyn |
| 20:13.04 | maligor | lior, reboots rather strike to me as a powersupply problem tho |
| 20:13.06 | lior | maligor, i'll try. thanks. |
| 20:13.17 | maligor | lior, usually hardware issues just crash system |
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| 20:13.30 | maligor | ie, hardlock or give tons of nice errors in logs |
| 20:13.34 | craigevil | l0c4lh0st: do have non-free in your sources.list >pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-ralink_0.10_all.deb |
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| 20:13.53 | lior | so it's hardware for sure |
| 20:13.56 | lior | ? |
| 20:14.01 | maligor | lior, I mean aside from powersupply |
| 20:14.01 | craigevil | of course thats in sid may not be in etch :) |
| 20:14.29 | maligor | lior, could also be a faulty mb tho |
| 20:14.43 | lior | i'll try to replace the powersupply. |
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| 20:14.48 | lior | what's mb? |
| 20:14.52 | lior | minibuffer? |
| 20:14.53 | maligor | the motherboard |
| 20:14.59 | l0c4lh0st | Not sure how to do that. |
| 20:15.05 | maligor | the thing that looks like a city :P |
| 20:15.09 | l0c4lh0st | I do have non-free in my sources.list |
| 20:15.13 | lior | :) |
| 20:15.16 | l0c4lh0st | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 20:15.53 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: well, it's in lenny or sid, but you can as well take the firmware from the cd. they are byte-by-byte equal |
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| 20:16.00 | lior | i don't think i have a spare one around... funny thing is that windows (95!) worked well. |
| 20:16.01 | wols | l0c4lh0st: didn't we establish that rt73 is not in etch? |
| 20:16.20 | wols | l0c4lh0st: so go and get the firmware from sid (this package ONLY) |
| 20:16.29 | wols | or elnny or wherever you go the driver from |
| 20:16.30 | maligor | lior, mm.. what agp card is it? |
| 20:16.35 | lior | without the ethernet pci cards tho, but worked. |
| 20:16.57 | lior | a really old one: ati rage 3 |
| 20:17.00 | maligor | you could torture yourself and try it with the pci cards :P |
| 20:17.23 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, true, I have this in my sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58163/ |
| 20:17.33 | lior | i don't think i have a pci video card |
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| 20:17.36 | l0c4lh0st | Sorry for using ubuntu pastebin, pastebin.com didn't work anymore :/ |
| 20:17.45 | wols | !paste |
| 20:17.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 20:17.48 | lior | will it work without video card at all? |
| 20:18.00 | wols | lior: debian? will work fine without |
| 20:18.04 | l0c4lh0st | But is that good enough, wols? |
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| 20:18.06 | maligor | the bios might not like it |
| 20:18.16 | craigevil | l0c4lh0st: just go to packages.debian.org and download the lenny package and install it using dpkg |
| 20:18.27 | wols | sure you have ti tell it to ignore all errors then it can work without video, keyboard or mouse |
| 20:18.29 | pipeline | lior: Anything with "rage" in the name is either PCI or AGP. (AGP is PCI with some extra pins.) |
| 20:18.33 | lior | of course itruns (TM) debian. |
| 20:18.36 | maligor | lior, I hope it's not a via chipset btw? |
| 20:18.54 | maligor | lior, if it is, try moving the pci cards to the slots nearest the agp slot |
| 20:19.03 | maligor | some of them had abysmal pci busses |
| 20:19.05 | lior | intel one |
| 20:19.11 | maligor | oh, that's probably fine |
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| 20:19.23 | l0c4lh0st | Doesn't yield any results: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ralink-firmware&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 20:19.25 | lior | tried the "pci relocation programme", didn't work |
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| 20:19.46 | l0c4lh0st | oh, searching for ralink only does work. |
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| 20:20.14 | lior | i'll see if the video card fits in pci slot |
| 20:20.18 | blubberdiblub | well, you reversed the words, l0c4lh0st ;) |
| 20:20.25 | maligor | lior, you can try adding Option "BusType" "PCI" too in xorg.conf |
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| 20:20.37 | l0c4lh0st | So what did I need this package for again? I do have /lib/firmware/rt73.bin |
| 20:20.53 | l0c4lh0st | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2048 Mar 2 14:09 rt73.bin |
| 20:21.09 | maligor | lior, it should use the card in pci mode more or less |
| 20:21.32 | lior | i don't think it will fit in the pci slot |
| 20:21.49 | maligor | err.. obviously :P |
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| 20:21.57 | maligor | agp is just a glorified pci tho |
| 20:22.25 | maligor | that bustype option might help if it's a agp driver issue |
| 20:22.26 | lior | i'll try. isn't there a way do really log that kind of errors? |
| 20:22.36 | maligor | serial console |
| 20:23.01 | maligor | hmm.. ssh maybe |
| 20:23.16 | l0c4lh0st | So could someone please tell me how to get this package? =) Do I need to pay for it/ |
| 20:23.18 | maligor | but I doubt it'd have time |
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| 20:23.48 | wols | l0c4lh0st: you already have the firmware as you just showed |
| 20:23.50 | lior | how ssh? |
| 20:23.50 | lior | i really think it is the ethernet cards related, since when downloading on high speed, it craches sooner |
| 20:24.06 | l0c4lh0st | Okay, so why am I downloading the package with the firmware? :P |
| 20:24.23 | maligor | lior, tried if it happens without them? |
| 20:24.49 | lior | no, but i tried to replace (both of) them |
| 20:24.53 | maligor | haven't heard of that kind of issues on intel chipsets tho |
| 20:25.24 | lior | played for half a night with the bios settings, for nothing |
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| 20:25.44 | wols | lior: cause you didn't tell us that you have it: you give incomplete information to us we cannot and willnot help you |
| 20:25.44 | lior | tried disabling acpi, for nothing |
| 20:26.31 | lior | wols: sorry, but what do you mean? |
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| 20:26.56 | l0c4lh0st | So how do I go further from here? Using that firmware will not get me any further... |
| 20:27.32 | l0c4lh0st | I think I'm gonna uninstall that driver and use something else. |
| 20:27.57 | lior | the networking issue? It's hardware related mainly, and downloading just making it crash sooner. |
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| 20:28.06 | l0c4lh0st | But how do I do that... I manually compiled and installed it, usually the package manager has a remove option which will delete the right files and stuff |
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| 20:28.37 | lior | i just wanted to ask about ways to diagnose hardware failures |
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| 20:28.46 | wols | lior: sorry, l0c4lh0st host with the crappy nick did that |
| 20:28.48 | maligor | lior, you can dismiss psu issue alltogether then |
| 20:29.03 | maligor | lior, what nics are they? |
| 20:29.12 | l0c4lh0st | wols |
| 20:29.23 | l0c4lh0st | ? |
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| 20:30.16 | maligor | lior, forced reboot could be a very badly behaving driver |
| 20:30.18 | lior | ADMtek NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet |
| 20:30.37 | lior | and "Winbond Electronics Corp W89C940" |
| 20:30.44 | l0c4lh0st | Now removing the entire driver. |
| 20:30.53 | wols | l0c4lh0st: chips mot card brands |
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| 20:31.04 | l0c4lh0st | huh? |
| 20:31.07 | lior | the drivers were auto detected and insmod'd by debian installer |
| 20:31.08 | wols | lior: chips mot card brands |
| 20:31.13 | cire | I have a DVD from a dvd camcorder. When mounting it, I see the .vob and .ifo files. What is your favourite tool to rip them? |
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| 20:31.24 | cire | (to rip them to mpeg2) |
| 20:31.29 | l0c4lh0st | I don't understand....? |
| 20:31.37 | wols | tey already are mpeg2: it's a sVS? |
| 20:31.41 | wols | *DVS |
| 20:31.45 | wols | grrr. DVD |
| 20:31.48 | maligor | lior, I'd recommend pulling them out one at a time and putting some load |
| 20:31.49 | l0c4lh0st | What do you mean wols? |
| 20:31.59 | lior | http://pastebin.com/m56ada230 |
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| 20:32.07 | cire | I'd like to have them combined into one single stream. |
| 20:32.08 | maligor | never knew winbond made network stuff |
| 20:32.15 | cire | there are a lot of .vob files... |
| 20:32.26 | l0c4lh0st | cire: Just make an .iso? |
| 20:32.40 | lior | it's old, i know... |
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| 20:33.53 | lior | i must have them two together since it's my routing machine - it crashes when downloading from one of the NAT'ed clients. |
| 20:34.25 | lior | i tried replacing them with others, even ISA cards, but the problem continues. |
| 20:35.46 | lior | btw, i'm appreciating all your help. i'm struggling with this problem for three days now. |
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| 20:38.11 | RULON | what i have to do when terminal says "bash: svn: command not found" ? |
| 20:38.22 | RULON | how can i make it recognize the command |
| 20:38.32 | l0c4lh0st | Anyone got an idea on how to properly remove a module that has been installed with make && make install? |
| 20:38.32 | Crunchy_ | maybe use the right one ^^ |
| 20:38.38 | lior | RULON: apt-get install svn |
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| 20:38.54 | RULON | ok :) |
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| 20:39.33 | l0c4lh0st | please? :) |
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| 20:40.06 | lior | l0c4lh0st: rmmod? |
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| 20:40.17 | l0c4lh0st | ERROR: Module rt73 is in use |
| 20:40.43 | metrix | I have been looking for a very easy DNS server and howto to give two or three machines local DNS addresses.. any suggestions on what I should use? |
| 20:41.05 | lior | modprobe -r? |
| 20:41.24 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, was trying that, but well, I deleted rt73.ko lol |
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| 20:41.30 | l0c4lh0st | So I need to install it properly again first, I think... |
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| 20:42.25 | lior | cire? maligor? help? |
| 20:42.37 | cire | ? |
| 20:42.59 | cire | sorry, I have been away |
| 20:43.04 | maligor | lior, dunno |
| 20:43.11 | l0c4lh0st | Argh, compiling again... Takes so long :( |
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| 20:44.08 | debian | Message from syslogd@debian at Sun Mar 2 21:26:40 2008 ... |
| 20:44.08 | debian | debian kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 20:44.16 | lior | thanks anyway guys. thank you. |
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| 20:44.23 | debian | Is that bad? |
| 20:44.33 | xsdg | debian: what kind of machine? |
| 20:44.40 | debian | xornoobix: P4 3.4ghz |
| 20:44.43 | jelly-ho | keep it cool |
| 20:44.49 | xingu | maligor: fyi we were on the right track - I hacked up patch_realtek.c with a custom input mux; and sure as eggs, the previously overlooked nid 0x19 is both the inbuilt mic, as well as the mic-in jack. |
| 20:44.49 | xsdg | debian: also, do you know what the temp is? |
| 20:45.01 | xsdg | debian: (check /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/, maybe) |
| 20:45.15 | Eulex | acpi -V is easier |
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| 20:45.23 | xingu | maligor: next problem seems to be gain control; capture volume is so quiet it's unbelievable and probably unworkable |
| 20:45.27 | tuvwx | is it possible to boot into an lvm boot partition in lenny now? |
| 20:45.28 | xsdg | Eulex: what package provides the acpi command? |
| 20:45.37 | Eulex | acpi |
| 20:45.39 | Eulex | ^^ |
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| 20:45.43 | xingu | maligor: not sure how to approach that one tbh |
| 20:45.43 | l0c4lh0st | lol |
| 20:45.44 | l0c4lh0st | :D |
| 20:46.04 | jelly-ho | xingu: there's usually a +20dB switch for Mic input somewhere |
| 20:46.08 | maligor | xingu, heh, nice |
| 20:46.18 | debian | Eulex: For me? |
| 20:46.19 | xsdg | Eulex: ever used acpitool? functionality seem similar |
| 20:46.25 | xingu | jelly-ho: right; so the next question, is _where_ the flying f' |
| 20:46.31 | xsdg | xingu: alsamixer |
| 20:46.34 | xingu | jelly-ho: is it normally a toggle? |
| 20:46.38 | debian | xsdg: How would I do thaT? |
| 20:46.39 | Eulex | xsdg, nope |
| 20:46.41 | Crunchy_ | man this sucks...always when i'm downloading packets for the desktop and the mail-, ftp-servers, etc. during the installation it just stops somewhere -.- |
| 20:46.44 | xsdg | xingu: make sure you check the capture tab |
| 20:47.00 | ctp | hi folks. how to get a list of all packages beeing installed by tasksel? i'm installing etch on an arm architecture and wanna see which packages will be installed chosing "standard system" in tasksel |
| 20:47.01 | xsdg | debian: is there anything in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/? |
| 20:47.04 | xingu | xsdg: yeah, that's done |
| 20:47.12 | Eulex | xsdg, very similar, yes |
| 20:47.13 | Crunchy_ | the installation stopped at 624/779 files....and it just doesn't go on |
| 20:47.21 | l0c4lh0st | ctp: :) Cool, I'm on ARM too |
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| 20:47.26 | jelly-ho | xingu: I've seen it be a toggle. But on this laptop I'm typing on, it's a 4-step "Mic Boost" thingy |
| 20:47.26 | l0c4lh0st | Linksys NSLU2? :] |
| 20:47.35 | Crunchy_ | the last time it stopped at like 300 or so...does anybody know why it acts like this? |
| 20:47.37 | debian | THRM |
| 20:47.44 | vyrus001 | anybody here use debian cluster components? i have 3 levels of package errors and cant get it installed |
| 20:47.50 | xsdg | debian: ok, anything in there? |
| 20:47.54 | xingu | jelly-ho: hmm, could be "50pc bias" and "80pc bias" maybe (from source) ? |
| 20:48.02 | xingu | jelly-ho: that'd sort-of parse |
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| 20:48.09 | vyrus001 | .w 19 |
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| 20:48.35 | debian | cooling_mode polling_frequency state temperature trip_points |
| 20:48.43 | ctp | l0c4lh0st: yepp, i'm installing mediawiki+lighttpd+php5+mysql5 on nslu2 ;-) |
| 20:48.44 | debian | My computer wont suddenly explode? |
| 20:49.03 | l0c4lh0st | Ah yeah, I should switch to lighttpd once... Apache 2 running here nwo |
| 20:49.51 | debian | xsdg: It wont catch fire or something?? |
| 20:50.16 | ctp | l0c4lh0st: i'm writing some howtos which i release on wiki.slashconcept.com: plain debian on nslu2, lighttpd+php5 on nslu2 and mysql on nslu2. |
| 20:50.33 | l0c4lh0st | It's not hard. :) |
| 20:50.38 | jelly-ho | xingu: no idea |
| 20:50.43 | l0c4lh0st | Just apt-get php5 mysql-server-5.x etc |
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| 20:50.53 | l0c4lh0st | Probably Samba would be nice too |
| 20:51.02 | xsdg | debian: huh? |
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| 20:51.08 | jog | does anyone know how I would recreate the apt/dpkg database? I have lost my /var |
| 20:51.09 | xsdg | debian: do `cat state` |
| 20:51.14 | debian | xsdg: Because of the te4mpature... |
| 20:51.18 | Lunar_Lamp | I have /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original with nameservers specified, and have just upgraded to etch. I am currently not getting any nameserver resolution. Which file do I need to copy original into? |
| 20:51.18 | xsdg | debian: or `cat temperature` |
| 20:51.29 | xsdg | debian: what temperature does that report? (also, is this a laptop?) |
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| 20:52.04 | debian | xsdg: What laptop have an 3.4 ghz P4?? |
| 20:52.08 | debian | temperature: 22 C |
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| 20:52.22 | lunaphyte | why, if i have python2.5 installed, does linux-patch-debian-2.6.22 insist it has to install python2.4? i find it hard to believe python 2.5 is so backwards incompatible that it will only work with an older version. |
| 20:52.33 | xsdg | debian: 22 is fine |
| 20:52.45 | RULON | how can i open something like a taskmanager? |
| 20:52.56 | debian | xsdg: I think some of the fans are broken... |
| 20:53.14 | xsdg | debian: that would certainly cause a warning like the one you saw |
| 20:53.35 | debian | xsdg: But why does it only say 22, it should change often? |
| 20:53.48 | jog | RULON there is one on kde I forget the name |
| 20:53.50 | xsdg | debian: yeah |
| 20:53.50 | Phusion | hey, i'm using a custom kernel that my provider installed for 3ware controller support and i want to perform an apt-get upgrade without it trying to change the kernel... how can i do this? |
| 20:53.59 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, I'm really not sure how to get this rt73 module uninstalled o.O |
| 20:54.04 | debian | And it says CPU1 and CPU0, I only have one... |
| 20:54.12 | xsdg | debian: dual-core |
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| 20:54.35 | MoDaX | RULON: kde? |
| 20:54.37 | debian | xsdg: What P4 is dual-core? |
| 20:54.44 | Phusion | hyper-threading? |
| 20:54.49 | xsdg | yeah, my bad |
| 20:54.50 | Phusion | that will show up as two CPU |
| 20:54.55 | debian | Phil4: |
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| 20:55.07 | ctp | l0c4lh0st: dont run debian's lighttpd. lot of bugs combined with php5-cgi. i compiled the most recent one. |
| 20:55.09 | xingu | jelly-ho: don't think it's a switch for hda/rlc880, model=uniwill-p53; and the source seems to init 0x19 to vref80 in any case |
| 20:55.12 | debian | Phusion: Ok. But why so I get an warning at 22 C? |
| 20:55.18 | xsdg | debian: you shouldn't |
| 20:55.21 | l0c4lh0st | So what are you installing then, ctp? |
| 20:55.26 | debian | debian kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 20:55.27 | Phusion | debian: sorry, i wasn't following.. i just got here |
| 20:55.33 | debian | This also appeared. |
| 20:55.42 | xsdg | debian: I would suggest finding a way to check the temperature soon after you get the warning |
| 20:55.59 | xingu | jelly-ho: just out of interest, what driver/codec is your gear? |
| 20:56.06 | debian | The warning was only haf an houre ago... |
| 20:56.11 | xsdg | debian: (note that a sensor applet is a nice way to do this, depending on what WM/desktop environment you use) |
| 20:56.18 | debian | xfce |
| 20:56.31 | xsdg | debian: I use xfce4-sensors-plugin, and it works fine for me |
| 20:56.34 | jog | what warning |
| 20:56.53 | jog | I used to get spikes on windows so I had to disable temp monitoring |
| 20:57.26 | debian | How do I turn it on? |
| 20:57.41 | ctp | l0c4lh0st: what do you mean with 'then'? |
| 20:57.54 | xsdg | debian: http://intercal.mit.edu/~xsdg/nl/xfce-sshot.png |
| 20:57.57 | l0c4lh0st | well you said lighttpd was a no-go |
| 20:58.09 | xsdg | debian: but just install the xfce4-sensors-plugin package and then add it a panel |
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| 20:59.02 | tuvwx | 4GB ram -> how large my swap partition should be? |
| 20:59.05 | daniel_John | hi how do I get back to the old nv driver from nvidia 3d driver |
| 20:59.18 | xsdg | tuvwx: what do you plan on using the machine for? |
| 20:59.21 | ctp | l0c4lh0st: i mean, compile the most recent sources for your nslu2 |
| 20:59.24 | debian | xsdg: Have the pakage... |
| 20:59.26 | xsdg | tuvwx: also, how much memory do you expect to be using? |
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| 20:59.40 | xsdg | debian: right-click the panel -> Add -> Sensor Plugin |
| 21:00.01 | l0c4lh0st | ah, k |
| 21:00.07 | tuvwx | xsdg, i don't expect to reach 4GB usage, but who knows. usage: desktop and scientific simulations/tools |
| 21:00.20 | debian | xsdg: Doesnt work, it doesnt appear |
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| 21:00.47 | ctp | xsdg: you're running 4.4.2? |
| 21:00.55 | tuvwx | debian, install it |
| 21:01.00 | xsdg | ctp: 4.4.1, predominantly |
| 21:01.09 | xsdg | debian: weird |
| 21:01.16 | xsdg | debian: what version of the package do you have? |
| 21:01.20 | debian | xfce4-sensors-plugin is already the newest version. |
| 21:01.32 | xsdg | debian: yes, but what version? |
| 21:01.38 | debian | No idea |
| 21:01.49 | xsdg | debian: apt-cache policy xfce4-sensors-plugin |
| 21:01.59 | ctp | xsdg: was using fvwm for years and switched back to xfce4 today ;-) last time i had xfce on my desktop was 2000 or 2001 ;-) |
| 21:02.07 | xsdg | ctp: cool |
| 21:02.20 | debian | Installed: 0.9.0-2 |
| 21:02.24 | Mr-R | tuvwx: if you are not short on disk space, you should use 4 GB for swap. so you could use suspend-to-disk in the future. |
| 21:02.30 | ctp | xsdg: and it rocks ;-) |
| 21:02.40 | xsdg | I started using xfce after I had used Oroborus (and liked it a lot) around 2000/2001 |
| 21:02.48 | jelly-ho | xingu: this thinkpad is hda-intel, codec AD1981 |
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| 21:03.04 | xsdg | tuvwx: it depends |
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| 21:03.31 | xingu | jelly-ho: cheers, I'll take a peek at the driver in a mo |
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| 21:03.46 | l0c4lh0st | Hey all, I basically need to do this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=584878 but then on Debian |
| 21:03.51 | xsdg | tuvwx: I personally have 8GB of memory and no swap -- if you have a runaway process eating memory, the OOM killer will regain control a lot faster if you don't have to wait for a bunch of reads from and writes to the disk |
| 21:03.58 | l0c4lh0st | I tried everything the guy mentioned, but the module isn't gone |
| 21:04.03 | lch | hi, I am trying to upgrade my kernel to fix the vmsplice exploit |
| 21:04.19 | xsdg | tuvwx: by scientific, you mean matlab/mathematica/friends? |
| 21:04.35 | tuvwx | xsdg, more or less, plus custom software |
| 21:04.38 | ctp | xsdg: you're on mit ? ;-) |
| 21:04.41 | debian | xsdg: What should I do? |
| 21:04.43 | lch | I did update everything, but the booted kernel still reads "SMP Tue Dec 18 21:24:20 UTC 2007" as compilation date |
| 21:04.48 | xsdg | ctp: yeah, I'm graduating this year |
| 21:04.49 | lch | what more do I need to do? |
| 21:05.00 | tuvwx | xsdg, i could keep the swap disabled until in think i need it and mount it then |
| 21:05.01 | xsdg | debian: not sure; maybe submit a bug report? |
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| 21:05.04 | ctp | xsdg: cool ;-) |
| 21:05.27 | xsdg | tuvwx: ::nod:: |
| 21:05.29 | debian | xsdg: That would take at least a day, my computer could be burning by then/... |
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| 21:06.29 | xsdg | debian: open your case and look for non-working fans? I doubt anything bad will happen, since most hardware will shut itself off if it goes considerably above it's temperature range |
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| 21:06.35 | jelly-ho | lch: uname -r? |
| 21:06.39 | debian | xsdg: The battery Monitor wontn either work... |
| 21:06.43 | xsdg | debian: (which is why, for instance, in windows you get a blue screen if that happens) |
| 21:06.47 | xsdg | debian: not sure |
| 21:06.57 | xsdg | debian: maybe try #xfce (or #debian-xfce, if it exists)? |
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| 21:07.15 | l0c4lh0st | Hey all, I basically need to do this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=584878 but then on Debian |
| 21:07.15 | l0c4lh0st | I tried everything the guy mentioned, but the module isn't gone |
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| 21:07.18 | debian | xsdg: Never got an linux bluescreen. |
| 21:07.53 | purpleposeidon | debian: Probably wouldn't be all that hard to get tho |
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| 21:08.08 | o_kara | hello... |
| 21:08.17 | o_kara | i'm from brazil... |
| 21:08.23 | blubberdiblub | hehe, yeah, there are screensavers emulation the look of bluescreens ;) |
| 21:08.29 | blubberdiblub | emulating, even |
| 21:08.32 | xsdg | debian: you obviously don't run the right screensavers :o) |
| 21:08.47 | lch | how do I update my kernel, please? |
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| 21:09.12 | o_kara | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.15 | tore_ | get the latest kernel you can find in your apt repositories. or fetch a kernel from kernel.org and start configuring and compiling |
| 21:09.17 | xsdg | lch: what does `uname -r` say? |
| 21:09.42 | lch | xsdg, 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 21:09.45 | jelly-ho | lch: install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:10.10 | lch | I am trying to update to the kernel which has the vmsplice kernel exploit fixed |
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| 21:10.44 | lch | I already ran a full update, but I'm still having a kernel compilation date of dec 07 when I boot it |
| 21:10.48 | debian | What kernel is best? |
| 21:10.49 | jelly-ho | you already said that. |
| 21:10.58 | debian | And does any nativly run windows software? |
| 21:11.09 | \amethyst | lch: what does uname -a say? |
| 21:11.16 | \amethyst | lch: oh, never mind, you already said |
| 21:11.25 | \amethyst | lch: that's not the most up-to-date kernel |
| 21:11.37 | jelly-ho | debian: windows kernels run windows software. This is #debian. |
| 21:11.48 | \amethyst | lch: do you have an etc/updates line in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 21:11.48 | lch | I'm trying jelly-ho's suggestion now |
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| 21:12.07 | \amethyst | etch/updates that is |
| 21:12.57 | jelly-ho | lch: that metapackage will always depend on the latest available 2.6 kernel in stable, even when it changes the package name (that is, when ABI is changed) |
| 21:12.57 | lch | \amethyst, yes |
| 21:13.30 | debian | jelly-ho: Is it theoretical possibole to make an debian kernel who nativly run windows software? |
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| 21:13.56 | \amethyst | debian: theoretically possible, but not practically so |
| 21:14.04 | \amethyst | debian: you would usually use wine for that |
| 21:14.06 | jelly-ho | debian: you question does not make much sense |
| 21:14.20 | debian | What about making co-windows? Like co-linux? |
| 21:14.24 | \amethyst | debian: or actually run Windows, under xen or qemu or so on |
| 21:15.03 | debian | No emulation and virtuaklization is bad... Like java, tastes bad. |
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| 21:15.14 | debian | bye bye |
| 21:15.18 | efaistos | what's the flash plugin name for firefox ? |
| 21:15.22 | jelly-ho | debian: Windows apps need Windows API. An API is much more than just a kernel. |
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| 21:15.59 | debian | jelly-ho: Wine knows much of the windows API? |
| 21:16.04 | \amethyst | what's wrong with virtualization? |
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| 21:16.20 | lch | jelly-ho, I forgot to check, did that update my modules, too? |
| 21:16.21 | Phusion | how can i stop my kernel from being upgraded in an apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:16.28 | debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.33 | jelly-ho | debian: Wine is an implementation of Windows API. |
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| 21:16.36 | stopher | Hello! I'm needing to install Debian on a Sun Enterprise 420r. I have not worked with machines such as this before, and hoping someone can point me in the right direction to get started. I only have the unit, not monitor or etc. But have been told you can serial in and use PuTTY or HyperTerm to see the screen prints. |
| 21:16.37 | apsoliveira | hi |
| 21:16.44 | apsoliveira | check this out -> http://student.dei.uc.pt/~apsimoes/PhD/Music/ismir08/index.html |
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| 21:16.50 | valdyn | debian: virtualisation isnt slow |
| 21:16.56 | \amethyst | debian: then you need a better CPU, with support for in-hardware virtualization |
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| 21:17.53 | jelly-ho | lch: if you have any modules built or installed afterwards, probably not. You'll probably need linux-headers-2.6-686 as well to rebuild the modules |
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| 21:19.23 | jelly-ho | stopher: the machine has a serial console, you ought to be able to access it using a proper null-modem cable |
| 21:19.49 | cire | is there any tool to convert .vro dvd files? |
| 21:19.55 | cire | (.vro&.ifo) |
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| 21:20.21 | efaistos | what's the flash plugin name for firefox ? |
| 21:20.53 | \amethyst | efaistos: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:20.55 | stopher | jelly-ho: I'm trying to get that hooked up right now. I'm also looking for some sort of tutorial on Debian installation and where to download for this proc. |
| 21:21.10 | \amethyst | efaistos: you have to have contrib in your sources.list |
| 21:21.34 | efaistos | \amethyst: nope |
| 21:21.38 | efaistos | i have it but |
| 21:21.44 | efaistos | it's not available |
| 21:21.46 | efaistos | in lenny |
| 21:21.54 | efaistos | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:22.27 | valdyn | efaistos: its not in lenny, get the sid package |
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| 21:23.10 | jelly-ho | stopher: using a normal sparc netinst image should suffice |
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| 21:24.08 | rcbarnes | Is there a good set of examples on how to set up WPA through /etc/network/interfaces? Everything I've found has done me no good in the end. |
| 21:24.09 | \amethyst | efaistos: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457291 |
| 21:24.35 | xsdg | rcbarnes: have you checked in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/? |
| 21:24.45 | xsdg | rcbarnes: (or, first, have you installed wpasupplicant?) |
| 21:24.48 | lch | thanks jelly-ho, that was successful |
| 21:24.55 | l0c4lh0st | Wow, same here... |
| 21:24.59 | lch | what's the meaning of "dreamsheet", a wish list of sorts? |
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| 21:25.09 | l0c4lh0st | It seems no regular user can get wireless and WPA working. |
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| 21:25.13 | jelly-ho | stopher: and the standard installation docs should help: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ |
| 21:25.17 | Crunchy_ | -______- i think it's not meant to be that i'll get linux on my laptop -.- |
| 21:25.58 | \amethyst | lch: I'm a native speaker and I've never heard the word "dreamsheet" |
| 21:26.01 | xsdg | l0c4lh0st: it works great for me, I'm not sure why folks are having problems |
| 21:26.01 | Farhadix | hi guys, how i can add password to an installed grub? |
| 21:26.18 | l0c4lh0st | I just can't get this WLAN USB stick to work... |
| 21:26.24 | l0c4lh0st | Everything I've tried, just won't work. |
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| 21:27.07 | Crunchy_ | This goddamn debian setup ALWAYS freezes when i'm downloading the packages... |
| 21:27.08 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: well, why don't you try the rt2x00-source package in conjunction with module-assistant? |
| 21:27.22 | l0c4lh0st | I'm still struggling to uninstall the rt73 package |
| 21:27.25 | l0c4lh0st | Can't find out how. |
| 21:27.25 | rcbarnes | xsdg: I have looked there |
| 21:27.36 | l0c4lh0st | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=357651 Trying to do what he tries to do |
| 21:27.39 | lch | \amethyst, seems to be a military term |
| 21:27.42 | lch | thanks then |
| 21:27.54 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: you shouldn't have used a non-native package in the first place ... |
| 21:28.02 | rcbarnes | I don't know how to link wpa-supplicant stuff to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:28.07 | l0c4lh0st | That's what people here recommended me... |
| 21:28.12 | \amethyst | lch: hm... googling indicates that, in the US military, the "dream sheet" is a form where you list the assignments you would prefer |
| 21:28.17 | \amethyst | lch: so I think you're right |
| 21:28.18 | l0c4lh0st | Everybody says something different :( |
| 21:28.21 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: why do you think that that was not a native package? |
| 21:28.22 | Crunchy_ | I'm getting fed up with this -.- i've been playing around with this crap all day-.- |
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| 21:28.31 | lch | thanks |
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| 21:28.54 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: he said he built it from source. oh well ... you're saying he meant a debian source package? |
| 21:29.02 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: yes |
| 21:29.15 | blubberdiblub | then never mind |
| 21:29.15 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: it built fine, its installed fine, it just doesnt scan aps |
| 21:29.18 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, and no. I installed that Debian package, but when I uninstall it, it says it's not there |
| 21:29.51 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: but it's not the rt2x00 one, right? i recently had someone use the rt2x00-source for a rt73 usb card ... and it worked out |
| 21:29.51 | l0c4lh0st | Tried the modprobe -r stuff, but after a reboot, the rt73 package is still there when I do lsmod |
| 21:30.02 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: thats expected |
| 21:30.03 | l0c4lh0st | I just want to remove this damn thing |
| 21:30.19 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: apt-get remove <packagename> |
| 21:30.25 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: what does dpkg -l rt73\* | grep ^.i show? |
| 21:30.26 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah that doesn't work |
| 21:30.42 | l0c4lh0st | jelly-ho: nothing |
| 21:30.44 | Nyle | apt-get consume footlong-roastbeef |
| 21:31.08 | rcbarnes | I used to use apt-get [regex] to install several packages. aptitude seems to lack this feature. is the syntax changed? |
| 21:31.11 | l0c4lh0st | So I guess the package is there but the package manager thinks it's not. |
| 21:31.41 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: oh well then, find the files named rt73.ko or whatever in /lib/modules/$(uname -r), and see whether they belong to any package |
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| 21:32.13 | l0c4lh0st | rt73.ko is in /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-ixp4xx/extra |
| 21:32.21 | l0c4lh0st | Should I apt-get remove extra? |
| 21:32.26 | Nyle | rcbarnes: no |
| 21:32.28 | Nyle | not really |
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| 21:32.36 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: I did not say that. |
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| 21:32.53 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-ixp4xx/extra/rt73.ko |
| 21:32.56 | DexterF | hi |
| 21:33.08 | l0c4lh0st | dpkg: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-ixp4xx/extra/rt73.ko not found. |
| 21:33.22 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: I guess you can just remove that file, then |
| 21:33.25 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: rm /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-ixp4xx/extra/rt73.ko |
| 21:33.39 | Nyle | rcbarnes: you must look at the aptitude man page |
| 21:33.39 | DexterF | how do I check how the system looks up a hostname? i.e. which dns server it asks for the name? |
| 21:33.45 | l0c4lh0st | OK, just removed it.. |
| 21:33.49 | l0c4lh0st | Is it now fixed? lol |
| 21:33.52 | Nyle | rcbarnes: its RIGHT there in your face ;) |
| 21:33.53 | l0c4lh0st | :/ |
| 21:34.21 | l0c4lh0st | Can it be a file from a manual "make, make install"? |
| 21:34.26 | l0c4lh0st | I did that too, a few times |
| 21:34.28 | stopher | I see information! I'm at the OK prompt. :D Happy Day! |
| 21:34.29 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: rmmod it as well, and proceed with trying rt2x00 |
| 21:34.31 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: sure |
| 21:34.34 | valdyn | !rmmod |
| 21:34.34 | dpkg | from memory, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
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| 21:34.41 | hellues | !paste |
| 21:34.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:34.43 | jelly-ho | eh |
| 21:34.50 | Nyle | why not use rmmod? |
| 21:34.54 | Nyle | whats wrong with it? |
| 21:35.03 | jelly-ho | Nyle: rtfm? |
| 21:35.07 | jelly-ho | "legacy" |
| 21:35.16 | l0c4lh0st | Just did that |
| 21:35.17 | Nyle | hmm |
| 21:35.31 | Nyle | I didn't think manual pages said anything about if the command should be used or not |
| 21:35.31 | l0c4lh0st | Now it's gone |
| 21:35.36 | stopher | I can see...but Can't type. :( |
| 21:35.44 | l0c4lh0st | But when I reboot, rt73 would show up again, no? |
| 21:36.16 | blubberdiblub | well, since you deleted it, it would probably not magically regenerate ;) |
| 21:36.30 | l0c4lh0st | Then I'm curious what it will do now o.o |
| 21:36.40 | l0c4lh0st | Since I don't believe rt73.ko is the only file for that module |
| 21:37.20 | Crunchy_ | Can anybody tell me why the downloading of the packages during the debian(netinst) installation(desktop, ftpserver...) just freezes ? (now the third time it freezes) |
| 21:37.38 | Nyle | Crunchy_: etch? |
| 21:38.06 | Crunchy_ | what? |
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| 21:38.17 | Crunchy_ | what do you mean with 'etch' ? |
| 21:38.18 | l0c4lh0st | Your distribution |
| 21:38.24 | l0c4lh0st | etch, sarge, sid, lenny? |
| 21:38.27 | Nyle | Crunchy_: oh tasksel, yeh thats a pos |
| 21:38.27 | Nyle | Crunchy_: don't use that |
| 21:38.31 | Nyle | !tasksel |
| 21:38.31 | dpkg | methinks tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. Ask me about <server tasks>. |
| 21:38.33 | Crunchy_ | yeah that one |
| 21:38.50 | Nyle | yeh don't use it |
| 21:38.50 | Nyle | dont' select any tasks |
| 21:38.58 | Nyle | finish the installer without it and use it later ify ou need to |
| 21:39.05 | cemc | hi. when i do an apt-get dist-upgrade, or something big, and apt downloads the packages, does it make multiple connections to the repo ? like downloading in parallel ? |
| 21:39.13 | tuvwx | i used lenny's debian-installer to install debian testing on an lvm volume. the installer wants to install lilo. how do i install grub instead? do i have to agree to lilo in the installation? |
| 21:39.21 | Crunchy_ | so i gotta do it myself by apt-get? |
| 21:39.31 | jelly-ho | cemc: a single connection to a each repository (at least by default) |
| 21:39.38 | Nyle | you can |
| 21:39.41 | l0c4lh0st | Nice. Rt73 is gone now. |
| 21:39.42 | jelly-ho | s/a / |
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| 21:39.59 | LimCore | I can't belive noone knows how to make computer A and B behind NATs (not configurable NATs) to ssh into eachother |
| 21:40.06 | Crunchy_ | I hope you guys can help me do it. I'm a noooooob at linux ^^ |
| 21:40.07 | sarefo | hi, what was the command to get a list of the motherboard chipsets etc? |
| 21:40.29 | l0c4lh0st | now on to installing the proper driver for this Asus WL-167g |
| 21:40.31 | Eulex | sarefo, lspci perhaps you mean? |
| 21:40.38 | l0c4lh0st | wget http://homepages.tu-darmstadt.de/~p_larbig/wlan/rt73-k2wrlz-1.0.0.tar.bz2 |
| 21:40.41 | l0c4lh0st | Would that be a good idea? |
| 21:40.46 | jelly-ho | LimCore: this is not a debian specific issue. Try #iptables or #netfilter or ##linux or... |
| 21:41.17 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: why don't you want to try the rt2x00-source package? |
| 21:41.27 | l0c4lh0st | Because I'm not sure it will work |
| 21:41.29 | LimCore | jelly-ho: noone knows there either :/ but thanks |
| 21:41.51 | l0c4lh0st | Do you recommend it, blubberdiblub? |
| 21:42.04 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: you can't be sure of anything until you try |
| 21:42.14 | sarefo | Eulex: thx, that gave me the chipset info i needed. |
| 21:42.18 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, well I wasted almost a full day trying that other driver |
| 21:42.19 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: yes, i do. it runs severy rt based chipsets |
| 21:42.21 | l0c4lh0st | which had no luck |
| 21:42.25 | blubberdiblub | several, even |
| 21:42.28 | l0c4lh0st | Even the Asus one? |
| 21:42.40 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: did you read that rt2x00 factoid? |
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| 21:43.05 | l0c4lh0st | Sorry, I'm really not sure what a "factoid" is supposed to be |
| 21:43.12 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: /msg dpkg rt2x00 |
| 21:43.47 | l0c4lh0st | -bash: /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian: No such file or directory |
| 21:44.02 | blubberdiblub | install it first ;) |
| 21:44.09 | l0c4lh0st | ah, right, of course lol |
| 21:44.22 | l0c4lh0st | I'm not that keen on installing drivers anymore... |
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| 21:44.34 | l0c4lh0st | I thought it was going nice when it finally worked, but in fact it didn't |
| 21:44.35 | blubberdiblub | it doesn't install a driver just yet |
| 21:44.38 | l0c4lh0st | and I wasted so much time |
| 21:45.03 | l0c4lh0st | "two days ago, January 24th, Linux Kernel 2.6.24 was released. This is the first mainline kernel that includes (sadly a somewhat buggy) rt2x00 release." |
| 21:45.15 | l0c4lh0st | uname -r shows: 2.6.18-6-ixp4xx |
| 21:45.35 | l0c4lh0st | so it's not compatible? |
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| 21:46.11 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, it may or may not be, 2.6.24 was only the first kernel to _include_ it by default |
| 21:46.17 | lynucs | guys, which debian version for intranet would you propose? |
| 21:46.35 | l0c4lh0st | I guess I'll just apt-get update and apt-cache search |
| 21:46.38 | lynucs | would lenny be ok? |
| 21:46.48 | lynucs | or better stick to sid? |
| 21:46.50 | Eulex | lynucs, if you have to ask, run etch |
| 21:46.51 | l0c4lh0st | I guess etch would be better |
| 21:47.03 | blubberdiblub | the .24 includes the rt2x00? didn't notice that |
| 21:47.06 | l0c4lh0st | lenny is still unstable, no? |
| 21:47.22 | jelly-ho | lynucs: if you're planning to use it for anything serious, use stable |
| 21:47.40 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.com/d65b80a0f <--- Any particular package? |
| 21:47.44 | Eulex | lenny isn't 'stable' in debian terms, at least |
| 21:47.51 | l0c4lh0st | I have rt73 eh... It's not listed there |
| 21:47.53 | tuvwx | can grub boot into an lvm root partition (no raid)? |
| 21:48.02 | lynucs | well it's not like i am a _completely_ newbie.. just ran ubuntu and gentoo and just dont know which version is a goog compromise between not-crashing and new repos |
| 21:48.02 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: rt2x00-source |
| 21:48.03 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, I believe he recommended 2x00--- |
| 21:48.10 | Eulex | s/---/... |
| 21:48.24 | l0c4lh0st | ok.. Installing it |
| 21:48.31 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: note the x. it's intented for all kinds of rt chipsets |
| 21:48.38 | jelly-ho | lynucs: what is the machine going to be used for? |
| 21:48.46 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, but mine is rt73, not rt2x00 :) |
| 21:48.52 | l0c4lh0st | But I'm installing it, I hope it'll work |
| 21:48.59 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: have you even read what dpkg told you? |
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| 21:49.07 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: this is perfectly fine. rt2x00 does include rt73 support |
| 21:49.17 | l0c4lh0st | ok, that's nice :) |
| 21:49.23 | lynucs | jelly-ho: well, it should be a server for playing around with some knowledge management systems |
| 21:49.39 | jelly-ho | lynucs: run stable. |
| 21:49.53 | Eulex | lynucs, you should run stable if you don't have any big reason for having something that isn't in stable. and then you should really use stable + backports. |
| 21:50.05 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: while we're at it, you already have module-assistant and the kernel-headers package corresponding to your currect kernel installed, right? |
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| 21:50.13 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, I do :) |
| 21:50.22 | lynucs | Eulex and jelly-ho thank you both |
| 21:50.22 | blubberdiblub | current, even. i can't type today ... |
| 21:50.26 | l0c4lh0st | I do have an older directory still.. Not sure if I should remove it |
| 21:50.27 | lynucs | i'll keep this in mind |
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| 21:50.49 | blubberdiblub | what do you mean, older directory? where? what? |
| 21:50.51 | l0c4lh0st | uh, it was somewhere.. can't find it |
| 21:51.04 | l0c4lh0st | I updated to 2.6.18-6-ixp4xx |
| 21:51.06 | Eulex | lynucs, so if you run stable but want something newer of some software, either use an existing backport from backports.org or create your own backport (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 21:51.13 | l0c4lh0st | But I found a 2.6.18-4-ixp4xx directory somewhere |
| 21:51.44 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: just make sure you have the kernel-headers package installed that matches your current kernel |
| 21:51.49 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, in /lib/modules |
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| 21:52.01 | l0c4lh0st | /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-ixp4xx |
| 21:52.01 | lynucs | Eulex: okay, I'll take a look at backports.org |
| 21:52.22 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, cool, an nslu2 or similar? |
| 21:52.24 | l0c4lh0st | It does have modules.* files, and also a folder "extra" and folder "kernel" |
| 21:52.29 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, NSLU2 |
| 21:52.34 | l0c4lh0st | :) |
| 21:53.06 | lynucs | Eulex: is it possible that backports.irg is unreachable at the moment? |
| 21:53.14 | lynucs | s/irg/org |
| 21:53.23 | Eulex | lynucs, yeah, here too |
| 21:53.32 | lynucs | does it happen often? |
| 21:53.36 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: that directory won't interfere if the current running kernel is 2.6.18-6-ixp4xx |
| 21:53.49 | Eulex | lynucs, first time I've noticed it |
| 21:54.09 | lynucs | Eulex: okay.. then i have a nice timing for starting with debian |
| 21:54.10 | lynucs | hehe |
| 21:54.11 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.com/d17cdea92 I'm worried I'm running 2 kernels or something o.o |
| 21:54.41 | Eulex | lynucs, but note that the backports are unofficial, but are created by debian developers. you can usually do the same yourself with a little effort. |
| 21:54.43 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: you can have many kernel versions installed |
| 21:54.50 | Eulex | !tell lynucs about bpo |
| 21:54.54 | Eulex | !tell lynucs about simple sid backport |
| 21:55.06 | l0c4lh0st | Oh, okay,... |
| 21:55.08 | lynucs | Eulex: okay, thank you for that nice info! |
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| 21:55.25 | Danker | Hi |
| 21:55.35 | l0c4lh0st | So I installed rt2x00-source |
| 21:55.57 | l0c4lh0st | Right, now I build it with m-a a-i rt2x00-source, right? |
| 21:56.35 | jelly-ho | !support l0c4lh0st |
| 21:56.36 | dpkg | l0c4lh0st is the BEST |
| 21:56.36 | blubberdiblub | well, i usually do it with m-a build, so i don't know much about the other commands to m-a |
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| 21:56.41 | PDani | hi |
| 21:56.42 | l0c4lh0st | lol |
| 21:56.42 | Danker | I have module and it isn't loaded on boot. I want it to load on boot. What is the right way to load modules on boot in debian? What config files should I edit? |
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| 21:56.55 | DustyBin | what kind of computer desks do you guys use? |
| 21:56.59 | Eulex | Danker, /etc/modules |
| 21:57.06 | l0c4lh0st | I hope I won't get a BSOD again ^^ |
| 21:57.32 | l0c4lh0st | Although it's pretty cool to have a BSOD on Linux :D |
| 21:57.44 | PDani | where does udev get the usbid -> drivername information from? |
| 21:57.51 | jelly-ho | wow, do NSLU2 units have a graphical output? |
| 21:58.03 | l0c4lh0st | Nah, not really |
| 21:58.05 | lynucs | Eulex: i just notice, i guess it's no point for me to have new repo's for my purposes, since no knowledge management system would be in the repos and i'd have to compile it myself |
| 21:58.07 | maligor | jelly, you could plug a usb dongle |
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| 21:58.08 | l0c4lh0st | It does have colored output though |
| 21:58.11 | zinx | PDani: the masks defined by the module, and put in a file via depmod |
| 21:58.11 | lynucs | but maybe i'm wroing |
| 21:58.17 | l0c4lh0st | lynucs: I'm on ethernet |
| 21:58.19 | l0c4lh0st | SSH |
| 21:58.20 | maligor | jelly-ho, err mistargeted |
| 21:58.21 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: how do you get a BSOD then? :-) |
| 21:58.35 | lynucs | l0c4lh0st: ? |
| 21:58.36 | l0c4lh0st | Well, the screen becomes blue and all messed up ^^ |
| 21:58.42 | zinx | PDani: the files it reads are /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.*map |
| 21:58.54 | Eulex | lynucs, only point would be in potential dependencies, but most software should be able to run on etch. |
| 21:59.25 | l0c4lh0st | lynucs: The Debian installer installs the drivers for the 100 Mbit/s LAN ports and sets up SSH |
| 21:59.40 | l0c4lh0st | so you can manage your Debian using an SSH client (PuTTY is most used, I think) |
| 21:59.53 | jelly-ho | syck |
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| 22:00.08 | lynucs | l0c4lh0st: you sure you wanted to write it to me? you're confusing :) |
| 22:00.11 | jelly-ho | gone are the days of serial consoles |
| 22:00.22 | l0c4lh0st | It doesn't have anything other than the 2 USB ports, which you can use for a memory stick or a WLAN adapter or something :) |
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| 22:00.37 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, yes, and then the LAN port. :) |
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| 22:02.10 | Crunchy_ | -____________ |
| 22:02.21 | Crunchy_ | i think i'm going to throw this laptop out of the window |
| 22:02.22 | l0c4lh0st | lol cool smiley |
| 22:02.30 | Crunchy_ | ""Hard disk boot sector invalid" |
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| 22:03.17 | Crunchy_ | after i installed debian together with the bootloader |
| 22:03.23 | jelly-ho | Crunchy_: that's not very effective usage of hardware, even if it's failing |
| 22:03.44 | l0c4lh0st | dh_clean: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory |
| 22:03.45 | l0c4lh0st | make[1]: [kdist_clean] Error 1 (ignored) |
| 22:03.50 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, bad start. :( |
| 22:03.55 | Crunchy_ | nor is sitting in front of a black screen with that error message |
| 22:04.26 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, what exact command? |
| 22:04.33 | Crunchy_ | any suggestion what to do now? |
| 22:04.53 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.com/d49f35b04 |
| 22:04.56 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex |
| 22:04.59 | jelly-ho | Crunchy_: restore the original boot sector code from backup? |
| 22:05.12 | l0c4lh0st | I started the build again |
| 22:05.14 | RULON | wich is the prompt to uninstall emesene, all emesen files, user configurations ad all |
| 22:05.26 | RULON | and all* |
| 22:05.31 | wols | !tell RULON about apt howto |
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| 22:05.41 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, tried using that source with m-a? |
| 22:05.48 | Crunchy_ | lol, i'm supposed to make a backup of the bootsector? |
| 22:05.58 | Crunchy_ | .... |
| 22:06.00 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, I just did: m-a a-i rt2x00-source |
| 22:06.12 | l0c4lh0st | But it seems when resizing the PuTTY screen, the build stopped o.O |
| 22:06.15 | l0c4lh0st | Bug? |
| 22:06.24 | wols | !insanity |
| 22:06.24 | dpkg | methinks insanity is something you acquire from using windoze, or doing the same thing over and over expecting different results |
| 22:06.32 | jelly-ho | Crunchy_: you're supposed to make a backup before any potentially destructive action. |
| 22:06.34 | cloakable | hehe |
| 22:06.46 | Crunchy_ | this just sucks |
| 22:07.13 | jelly-ho | Crunchy_: do you have some other OS on the machine? |
| 22:07.18 | Crunchy_ | XP |
| 22:07.23 | Crunchy_ | but of course it won't boot now |
| 22:07.39 | jelly-ho | Crunchy_: hm. Do you have XP's bootable cd media? |
| 22:07.46 | Crunchy_ | yeah |
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| 22:07.52 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 22:08.02 | zinx | Crunchy_: run fixboot and fixmbr |
| 22:08.09 | zinx | i think those are the names, anyway |
| 22:08.25 | RULON | what debian sarge is? |
| 22:08.30 | Crunchy_ | so i'll have to choose the repair windows option? |
| 22:08.32 | Eulex | !sarge |
| 22:08.32 | dpkg | sarge is probably Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/i386/iso-cd/ Security support for Sarge finishes on March 31 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). Ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 22:08.40 | jelly-ho | Crunchy_: you could boot from XP media, use the recovery console and fixmbr to put back their MBR code and see if that boots |
| 22:08.42 | DukeDrake | just a short question: what package do wget and whois belong to? |
| 22:08.48 | Crunchy_ | okay |
| 22:09.04 | Eulex | !tell DukeDrake about search |
| 22:09.08 | RULON | so debian etch is the new version right? |
| 22:09.24 | Eulex | DukeDrake, but really, wget is in wget and whois is in whois |
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| 22:09.47 | l0c4lh0st | DukeDrake: They're standalone packages... |
| 22:10.00 | DukeDrake | thanx a lot =) |
| 22:10.02 | l0c4lh0st | Just like mIRC doesn't belong to anything in Windows. |
| 22:10.10 | l0c4lh0st | You just install it; or not. |
| 22:10.14 | jelly-ho | Crunchy_: some crappy laptop BIOSes make funny noises when weird nondefault code is present. My Thinkpad loses access to the hidden partition, for example. |
| 22:10.28 | PDani | when i add .rules file to /etc/udev/rules.d directory, how can i update the running udev process to use it? |
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| 22:11.06 | DukeDrake | oh nos... apt-get doesn't work anymore >.< |
| 22:11.15 | Eulex | PDani, just a guess, but perhaps /etc/init.d/udev restart ? |
| 22:11.16 | Crunchy_ | yeah...talking of crappy laptops |
| 22:11.21 | Crunchy_ | my laptop just overheated |
| 22:11.24 | Crunchy_ | and turned off |
| 22:11.25 | Crunchy_ | -.- |
| 22:11.28 | l0c4lh0st | DukeDrake: apt-get install apt-get? :D |
| 22:11.29 | DukeDrake | I updated proftpd yesterday from sarge to etch ... |
| 22:11.39 | l0c4lh0st | Maybe aptitude does work? |
| 22:11.44 | Crunchy_ | i hate this goddamn piece of crap |
| 22:11.46 | l0c4lh0st | Dunno if it's a shortcut, or a separate program |
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| 22:11.53 | Eulex | DukeDrake, you're saying that you mixed sarge and etch? |
| 22:11.59 | DukeDrake | "bus error" |
| 22:12.12 | Eulex | DukeDrake, please pastebin the entire output. |
| 22:12.21 | DukeDrake | hm .. on the other hand it can't be that bad |
| 22:12.35 | Eulex | !pastebin |
| 22:12.36 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 22:12.44 | DukeDrake | Eulex: "aptitude" --> "Bus error" That'S all |
| 22:13.15 | l0c4lh0st | I'd say: A reboot fixes all, but I'm not sure if your kernel would still run, if you're mixing sarge and etch o.O |
| 22:13.29 | Eulex | DukeDrake, eh, interesting. does apt-get work? |
| 22:13.47 | Eulex | DukeDrake, also, please pastebin apt-cache policy aptitude and apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 22:13.52 | Crunchy_ | man i could make my breakfast bacon on that laptop -.- |
| 22:14.09 | Strogg | Hrmm.. where would I go to get libdb4.1 if it's not available in testing anymore and I still need it for a program I have? |
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| 22:14.33 | DukeDrake | "Bus error" is all I get |
| 22:14.39 | Eulex | !tell Strogg about sdn |
| 22:14.50 | Eulex | DukeDrake, for all of aptitude, apt-get and apt-cache? |
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| 22:15.13 | DukeDrake | What does "Bus Error" mean, anyway? |
| 22:15.18 | DukeDrake | Eulex: yes |
| 22:15.23 | RULON | how i open a file trough the terminal as root to edit it? wich is the command |
| 22:15.35 | Dvrethman | it is possible to rename a network interface? |
| 22:15.36 | lch | RULON, "vim file" |
| 22:15.47 | Strogg | Eulex: Wicked.. Thanks :) |
| 22:15.51 | lch | yes, I am cruel :) |
| 22:15.53 | DukeDrake | ok, apt-get and apt-cache at least output the help |
| 22:16.07 | Dvrethman | cause my eth2 died, and the new one is called eth3, and it'd be a lot easier to just change it than change eth2 to eth3 in the million configs I have |
| 22:16.09 | DukeDrake | But as soon as I want to something with them --> bus error |
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| 22:16.50 | Eulex | DukeDrake, the internets suggest that /var/lib/dpkg/available is damaged and that you should try replacing it with /var/lib/dpkg/available.bak |
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| 22:17.18 | DukeDrake | Eulex: well ... as wget and whois also don't work |
| 22:17.24 | Dvrethman | ... |
| 22:17.27 | l0c4lh0st | Dvrethman: Why not just change it to eth0? :D |
| 22:17.32 | DukeDrake | Wget: Segmentation fault |
| 22:17.44 | DukeDrake | whois: Input/Output Error |
| 22:17.45 | Dvrethman | cause it's been eth2 forever, and all the config files for shorewall and such have it as eth2 |
| 22:17.58 | Eulex | DukeDrake, oh |
| 22:18.04 | Eulex | DukeDrake, does ldconfig work? |
| 22:18.06 | Dvrethman | so like... is it possible? |
| 22:18.10 | jelly-ho | DukeDrake: i/o error smells like your disk might have gone bad |
| 22:18.10 | Dvrethman | if so, how? |
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| 22:18.33 | DukeDrake | Eulex: it doesn't output anything at least |
| 22:18.39 | Eulex | DukeDrake, then it works |
| 22:18.39 | DukeDrake | jelly-ho: yeah |
| 22:18.49 | DukeDrake | ought to make a backup ... |
| 22:18.51 | Eulex | DukeDrake, try running strace on a program that doesn't work. |
| 22:19.00 | danand_ | Dvrethman - you should be able to set that sort of thing by writing a rule for udev - see /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 22:19.06 | DukeDrake | strace: input/output error |
| 22:19.09 | RULON | lch, once i see the file how do i save it? |
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| 22:19.18 | jelly-ho | Dvrethman: see also /msg dpkg z25 |
| 22:19.36 | RULON | but i think that im looking for the command to open the file in a different window so i can edit it :) |
| 22:19.41 | Eulex | DukeDrake, if even that doesn't work... that sure suggests hardware problems. can you access your syslog? |
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| 22:21.19 | Dvrethman | jelly: thanks |
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| 22:21.27 | Dvrethman | I'm asuoming that takes a reboot to go into effect... |
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| 22:22.14 | RULON | how can i edit sources.list? |
| 22:22.31 | defi0n | pico sources.list? |
| 22:22.49 | ccvp | this is insane, 78 degrees, laptop on my porch, beer, burgers, and by 3am tonight, a front comes through and its 25 degrees tomorrow....massive storm front tonight |
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| 22:23.10 | RULON | i mean theres a command to open the file and edit it right? |
| 22:23.15 | jelly-ho | ccvp: you know what's insane? Not using metric system. |
| 22:23.25 | defi0n | rulon yes, 'pico sources.list' |
| 22:23.34 | RULON | no thats not it |
| 22:23.44 | RULON | theres one to open the file on a new window |
| 22:23.45 | salvin | defi0n, pico? |
| 22:23.46 | defi0n | 'vim sources.list' |
| 22:23.52 | defi0n | yess |
| 22:23.58 | defi0n | its what i use |
| 22:23.59 | RULON | something like sudo or gedit |
| 22:24.05 | defi0n | emacs |
| 22:24.14 | valdyn | RULON: there's like 34234 editors in debian, pick any |
| 22:24.25 | DukeDrake | ok, syslog is full of "I/O error: dev 08:01," |
| 22:24.27 | defi0n | he wants new window |
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| 22:24.48 | RULON | i already used one i liked, but dont remeber wich is, its something like sudo or gedit |
| 22:24.54 | DukeDrake | anyone probably know what dev 08:01 is? . |
| 22:25.00 | valdyn | RULON: both, sudo gedit file |
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| 22:25.18 | jelly-ho | DukeDrake: your sda1 device is unavailable for comment |
| 22:25.32 | defi0n | a device in i/o is not working |
| 22:25.38 | jelly-ho | DukeDrake: possibly the whole of sda |
| 22:25.47 | DukeDrake | ok |
| 22:26.06 | RULON | im frustrated |
| 22:26.35 | jelly-ho | RULON: gedit could work if you have it installed |
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| 22:27.43 | l0c4lh0st | Setting up rt2x00-modules-2.6.18-6-ixp4xx (0cvs20060928-1+2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) ... |
| 22:27.43 | l0c4lh0st | :) |
| 22:28.11 | RULON | its so simple, could someone give me the command to OPEN the file ina a NEW window... a window with the "File -> Save" Tab.. kthx |
| 22:28.24 | l0c4lh0st | Not sure what to do now, can I now just insert the WLAN USB stick and it works? o.o |
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| 22:29.18 | defi0n | rulon: does it have to have a gui? any command prompt editor like vim, emacs, or pico will save it as well |
| 22:29.32 | defi0n | ctrl>o |
| 22:29.37 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: maybe ... it should load a couple of modules. like rt73usb and some more |
| 22:29.43 | RULON | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.09 | defi0n | i just told you how ;p |
| 22:30.23 | defi0n | open cmd prompt, type 'pico edited.file' |
| 22:30.29 | defi0n | when done editing |
| 22:30.33 | defi0n | ctrl>o |
| 22:30.46 | l0c4lh0st | So when doing lsmod, there should be a rt73 now? |
| 22:30.51 | l0c4lh0st | Or after I insert the USB stick? |
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| 22:31.21 | RULON | ok defi0n i did that, but anyway i want to know the one that have a gui |
| 22:31.24 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: well, after inserting. and rt73usb. i don't think the rt2x00 suite has a module named rt73 |
| 22:31.29 | RULON | that way is easier for me |
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| 22:31.38 | defi0n | googlee |
| 22:31.58 | defi0n | 'debian text editor with gui' |
| 22:32.02 | defi0n | jesus |
| 22:32.22 | jelly-ho | RULON: gedit? |
| 22:33.24 | gravity | gvim :-) |
| 22:33.30 | jelly-ho | gah |
| 22:33.38 | defi0n | lol |
| 22:33.41 | RULON | jelly-ho, i think thats the one :D |
| 22:33.42 | l0c4lh0st | blubberdiblub: http://pastebin.com/d52ff4682 |
| 22:33.53 | l0c4lh0st | That's output from dmesg |
| 22:34.02 | l0c4lh0st | After inserting the WLAN USB stick |
| 22:34.05 | jelly-ho | RULON: so, why don't you use it? |
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| 22:34.10 | RULON | defi0n, u cant paste lines when editing with pico... thats why i dont like that one ok |
| 22:34.19 | defi0n | i can |
| 22:34.21 | l0c4lh0st | Also, module rt73usb isn't loaded |
| 22:34.21 | defi0n | but okay |
| 22:34.23 | RULON | jelly-ho, i didnt remember if that was it |
| 22:34.34 | Crunchy_ | ok i've got enough for today...see you@all gn8 |
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| 22:34.41 | frog | can i call with wengo from console? |
| 22:34.42 | defi0n | i think this guy just messes with us |
| 22:34.43 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: well, if it didn't do it automatically, modprobe it manually. and after the next reboot udev should have caught up with the changed config and do it automatically then |
| 22:34.58 | l0c4lh0st | okay, so I'll modprobe it and then reboot |
| 22:35.02 | l0c4lh0st | Right? |
| 22:35.13 | blubberdiblub | no, just modprobe it and get it to work |
| 22:35.20 | RULON | defi0n, im not messing anyone, i only have 2 days using linux, so im asking a lot |
| 22:35.23 | RULON | just that |
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| 22:35.31 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: what happens when you plug the stick in? |
| 22:35.41 | l0c4lh0st | jelly-ho: Nothing |
| 22:35.52 | l0c4lh0st | But that could be because I don't see any kernel output |
| 22:35.55 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: no new entries in dmesg? No drivers loaded? |
| 22:36.02 | l0c4lh0st | Yes. New entries in dmesg. |
| 22:36.05 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.com/d52ff4682 |
| 22:36.16 | l0c4lh0st | Now trying modprobe |
| 22:36.31 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: modprobe it now. after the next reboot it should do it automatically, i think. i didn't say reboot, tho |
| 22:36.31 | cloner | frig anyone ever have a system that didn't have sound in mozilla? |
| 22:36.35 | sauvin | Does anybody here know anything about linex? |
| 22:36.40 | l0c4lh0st | Loading module: rt73usb - CVS (N/A) by http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com. |
| 22:36.40 | l0c4lh0st | usbcore: registered new driver rt73usb |
| 22:36.43 | l0c4lh0st | Sounds good. |
| 22:36.47 | defi0n | rulon: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/apps/editors/X/!INDEX.html - now find nedit-5.1.1.src.tar.gz |
| 22:37.24 | defi0n | its a text editor for linux for people familiar with windows |
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| 22:38.05 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: well, while having it inserted, just for making sure all is correct, check "ifconfig -a" ... the rt2x00 is a bit strange in that it creates 2 interfaces. wlan0 and wmaster0. make sure both start with the same mac address |
| 22:38.06 | jelly-ho | defi0n: wtf happened to "aptitude install nedit" or something? |
| 22:38.14 | defi0n | hehe okay fine |
| 22:38.15 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.com/d4750970a |
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| 22:38.31 | defi0n | didn't know it was in there |
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| 22:38.33 | l0c4lh0st | That's dmesg ^ |
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| 22:38.43 | Xcerca | hey all |
| 22:38.49 | l0c4lh0st | Only eth0, lo, sit0 |
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| 22:38.52 | l0c4lh0st | No wlan0 or master0 |
| 22:38.57 | blubberdiblub | ifconfig -a |
| 22:39.10 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, I did |
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| 22:39.19 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: this dmesg doesn't show any driver claiming the device |
| 22:39.19 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.com/d4111402d |
| 22:39.25 | l0c4lh0st | Indeed. |
| 22:39.34 | blubberdiblub | erm, do you have the module modprobed? |
| 22:39.35 | fiendishfish | When 'mv'ing a file in Linux, does it still leave traces of the file on the original disk? |
| 22:39.45 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, I do |
| 22:39.55 | jelly-ho | blubberdiblub: it shouldn't need to be modprobed manually anyway |
| 22:39.57 | l0c4lh0st | Module Size Used by |
| 22:39.57 | l0c4lh0st | rt73usb 38020 0 |
| 22:40.18 | l0c4lh0st | rt73usb is @ usbcore too |
| 22:40.31 | blubberdiblub | jelly-ho: well, usually not, but he didn't reboot yet ... i don't know if udev already takes care of it then |
| 22:40.32 | ccvp | (breaking news)(ap/reuters) - Iran has just launched a nuclear attack on Tel Aviv Israel, causing an estimated 500,000 deaths. Details Soon. |
| 22:40.39 | l0c4lh0st | also module 80211 and crc_itu_t have used by rt73usb |
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| 22:40.47 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: does it (rt73usb) have any options available? perhaps you can coerce it to try using your device |
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| 22:40.53 | l0c4lh0st | firmware_class is used by rt73usb too |
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| 22:41.08 | RULON | defi0n, i think nedit its what im lookin for thx |
| 22:41.18 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, not sure how to set those options. With the module assistant? |
| 22:41.24 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: yeah, that are all correct dependencies |
| 22:41.51 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: "modinfo rt73usb" would show any parameters tunable at modprobe time |
| 22:42.09 | l0c4lh0st | wow |
| 22:42.12 | l0c4lh0st | Nice list. |
| 22:42.15 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: in parm: lines |
| 22:42.17 | l0c4lh0st | I'll go check out what to use. |
| 22:42.28 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.com/d4190be52 |
| 22:42.43 | l0c4lh0st | I know there's a vendor ID in my card, I guess I'll have to match it with an alias in that list. |
| 22:43.13 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: lsusb (run as root) |
| 22:43.13 | blubberdiblub | it should match automatically ... that's why the module includes those aliases |
| 22:43.14 | l0c4lh0st | Hey, the debug one is interesting too. |
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| 22:43.24 | alphaaa | what is a packed binary ? |
| 22:43.28 | l0c4lh0st | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0b05:1723 ASUSTek Computer, Inc. |
| 22:43.41 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: not in the list :-) |
| 22:43.43 | l0c4lh0st | That's the WLAN stick |
| 22:43.55 | l0c4lh0st | So it won't run? :( |
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| 22:44.22 | blubberdiblub | you used the etch package, right? |
| 22:44.27 | l0c4lh0st | Yes I did |
| 22:44.34 | l0c4lh0st | My kernel is etch too |
| 22:44.47 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: I'd first try a newer rt2x00 |
| 22:44.50 | blubberdiblub | well, i'm using the lenny one ... and it does have that vendor id |
| 22:44.51 | l0c4lh0st | So I don't think there's any problem on that :) |
| 22:44.54 | emma | Is there a channel more approprite to casual chat? |
| 22:44.58 | l0c4lh0st | ack |
| 22:45.00 | azeem | !ot |
| 22:45.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 22:45.14 | emma | okies :) |
| 22:45.14 | l0c4lh0st | I hope apt-get update will allow me to update to the lenny one.. |
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| 22:46.07 | hellues | !paste |
| 22:46.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 22:46.18 | l0c4lh0st | blubberdiblub: So you're saying once I get this lenny rt2x00 working on etch, I can finally use the WLAN stick :D |
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| 22:46.31 | Xcerca | anybody know of a good tutorial on changing themes in xfce ? |
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| 22:46.47 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: only get that one single package from lenny. don't upgrade anything else ;) |
| 22:47.12 | sixty6murph | hi, installing etch (not first time) and installer can't install initramfs-tools |
| 22:47.17 | RULON | how can i add my user to SUDO list |
| 22:47.19 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, gotta figure out how to do that though, it says no packages found |
| 22:47.29 | jelly-ho | and hope real hard the newer version of the source will build with 2.6.18 headers |
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| 22:47.35 | sixty6murph | RULON run visudo as root |
| 22:47.38 | lynucs | if i won't install any desktop-environment like gnome over a meta packages, but use just ion3 as wm, where could i configurate things for gtk, etc. ? gtkrc? |
| 22:47.42 | acutedeath | I wasn't able to get my 2x00 -based card to work until I went to unstable. |
| 22:47.47 | hellues | when i try to install a package |
| 22:47.54 | hellues | it says semantation fault |
| 22:47.59 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: well, download the package manually. |
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| 22:48.04 | hellues | when i try to open synaptic |
| 22:48.11 | hellues | it says segmentation fault |
| 22:48.14 | l0c4lh0st | From debian.org, right? |
| 22:48.15 | hellues | what does that mean |
| 22:48.16 | l0c4lh0st | a .deb file |
| 22:48.19 | blubberdiblub | yes |
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| 22:48.48 | azeem | hellues: pastebin the output of "free" |
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| 22:49.00 | hellues | azeem, |
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| 22:49.13 | hellues | i have no internet browser |
| 22:49.16 | hellues | i d |
| 22:49.18 | acutedeath | I tried following some stupid tutorial, and I overwrote my /dev/dsp with a symlink to something else. Now my audio is hosed. Anyone ideas for restoring the default? |
| 22:49.21 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.21 | RULON | sixty6murph, ok wich is the format of the line i have to add? |
| 22:49.31 | l0c4lh0st | Ooooh I want Debian lenny on my slug :D |
| 22:49.31 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: that's the output of the newer module: http://pastebin.com/m30b13a61 |
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| 22:49.40 | hellues | Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 22:49.41 | l0c4lh0st | wow, quite a lot more vendors |
| 22:49.44 | hellues | what does it mean |
| 22:49.47 | hellues | how can i fix |
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| 22:49.55 | blubberdiblub | and yours is nearly to the bottom |
| 22:50.03 | emma | I wonder how many people who use Debian identify with the libertarian philosophy |
| 22:50.07 | l0c4lh0st | I just downloaded the package |
| 22:50.12 | sixty6murph | error was returned while trying to install the initramfs-tools package onto the target system. check vconsole 4 |
| 22:50.18 | blubberdiblub | uninstall the older one first |
| 22:50.18 | azeem | !dynamic mmap |
| 22:50.19 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 22:50.22 | azeem | hellues: ^^ |
| 22:50.34 | l0c4lh0st | wow only 83 KB |
| 22:50.45 | l0c4lh0st | ooh, I'm gonna need to recompile, right? |
| 22:50.46 | hellues | why debian give silly mistakes everytime |
| 22:50.48 | hellues | ? |
| 22:50.57 | azeem | hellues: how much memory do you have? |
| 22:51.03 | azeem | hellues: which version of Debian? |
| 22:51.11 | hellues | etch backport |
| 22:51.17 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: yes, but first uninstall the old package, then m-a clean allu, before doing anything else |
| 22:51.28 | hellues | etch-backport-o215 |
| 22:51.30 | l0c4lh0st | what does clean allu mean? |
| 22:51.33 | azeem | 23:50 < azeem> hellues: how much memory do you have? |
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| 22:51.40 | hellues | ram ? |
| 22:51.43 | azeem | yes |
| 22:51.44 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: it cleans the /usr/src/modules/ directory |
| 22:51.46 | hellues | 2 gb |
| 22:51.49 | l0c4lh0st | ah, nice. |
| 22:51.49 | CalJohn | l0c4lh0st: like make clean for that kernel module |
| 22:51.54 | azeem | ok |
| 22:52.07 | hellues | why ask me how much ram Ç:D |
| 22:52.18 | hellues | i cant download a package |
| 22:52.28 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: oh and uninstall both packages, the old compiled one and the old rt2x00-source |
| 22:52.29 | hellues | it says segmantation fault |
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| 22:52.43 | l0c4lh0st | hellues: "silly mistakes" isn't the most brilliant description of your problem :P |
| 22:52.46 | hellues | it says out ofmemory error dynamic map |
| 22:52.54 | CalJohn | hellues: you can use gpm+links/lynx to pastebin, btw |
| 22:53.05 | hellues | l0c4lh0st, |
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| 22:53.12 | hellues | .D |
| 22:53.16 | l0c4lh0st | SubZero:/etc/network# apt-get remove --purge rt2x00-modules-2.6.18-6-ixp4xx |
| 22:53.18 | azeem | hellues: did you read what dpkg said? |
| 22:53.18 | l0c4lh0st | SubZero:/etc/network# apt-get remove --purge rt2x00-source |
| 22:53.20 | l0c4lh0st | Just did that |
| 22:53.32 | l0c4lh0st | That should be enough, right? |
| 22:53.37 | hellues | ii dont know what dpkg said azeem |
| 22:53.42 | azeem | hellues: see above |
| 22:53.45 | CalJohn | hellues: scroll up then |
| 22:53.49 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: yes, and now install the downloaded package via dpkg -i package.deb |
| 22:53.53 | CalJohn | hellues: pgup if you're using irssi |
| 22:53.54 | azeem | < dpkg> Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line ... |
| 22:54.06 | hellues | i am using xchat |
| 22:54.06 | fiendishfish | What's a good image viewing simple program, which allows you to cycle through with the arrows? |
| 22:54.16 | CalJohn | hellues: well, I'm sure you can figure it out |
| 22:54.17 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, /usr/src/modules/rt2x00/ is still there |
| 22:54.18 | azeem | xchat can scoll as well, I assume |
| 22:54.22 | l0c4lh0st | with all kinds of files inside |
| 22:54.37 | jelly-ho | pgup works in xchat as well. Or the scrollbar. Or Ctrl-F to search |
| 22:54.37 | l0c4lh0st | and a INSTALL.Debian symlink to /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README |
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| 22:54.37 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: well, you can m-a clean allu after installing. no problem |
| 22:54.39 | hellues | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 22:54.47 | azeem | hellues: we know |
| 22:54.51 | hellues | what does that mean im going insane deeply |
| 22:54.57 | jelly-ho | !tell hellues -about dynamic mmap |
| 22:55.02 | l0c4lh0st | ls -al |
| 22:55.06 | l0c4lh0st | ah, wrong window :D |
| 22:55.10 | CalJohn | l0c4lh0st: ;) |
| 22:55.12 | hellues | jelly, it doesnt work |
| 22:55.23 | jelly-ho | hellues: what doesn't work? |
| 22:55.26 | sixty6murph | hi, installing etch on old 800Mhz machine, installer fails when installing base system, specifically at installing kernel image (initramfs-tools) |
| 22:55.33 | master_alvaro | it is posible tu update linux (kernel) by apt-update? how to? |
| 22:55.43 | hellues | i wrote this line /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 22:55.45 | RULON | where is visudop file located, to add my username :)? |
| 22:55.50 | RULON | visudo* |
| 22:55.51 | hellues | and apt-get update |
| 22:55.59 | CalJohn | this is insane. hellues, you need to be careful to describe your problems more carefully. explain what you refer to, pasting and not paraphrasing etc |
| 22:56.02 | hellues | but same mistakes already there |
| 22:56.09 | azeem | hellues: what was the output after /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf ? |
| 22:56.20 | l0c4lh0st | wow, it's done installing already |
| 22:56.29 | l0c4lh0st | that was fast... maybe a bit too fast |
| 22:56.33 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: well, you still have to build it ;) |
| 22:56.41 | sixty6murph | can't determine exact problem as last 50 or so lines of /var/log/syslog all have various errors, some specific to apt, some to reading cdrom... |
| 22:56.44 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, now gonna do that |
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| 22:56.55 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: already did the m-a clean allu? |
| 22:56.55 | CalJohn | l0c4lh0st: are you new? :p |
| 22:57.01 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, I did |
| 22:57.02 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: that installation just placed a .tar.bz2 of the source in /usr/src |
| 22:57.06 | RULON | where is visudoo file located, to add my username :)? |
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| 22:57.19 | azeem | RULON: nowhere |
| 22:57.19 | l0c4lh0st | CalJohn: Yes, kinda new... Not new with Linux, but I am new with this sort of stuff |
| 22:57.27 | azeem | RULON: visudo is a command, not a file |
| 22:57.28 | sixty6murph | RULON, if you can login as root then do so and type visudo, it's a special program for adding sudoers |
| 22:57.38 | hellues | azeem, i am root it says permission denied |
| 22:57.38 | CalJohn | RULON: surely in /etc/group on the sudoers line? |
| 22:57.39 | l0c4lh0st | I used to apt-get install stuff and configure programs and stuff, but compiling drivers and getting them to work... that's new for me |
| 22:57.48 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: well, now go ahead :) |
| 22:57.53 | azeem | hellues: who told you to run /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf? |
| 22:57.53 | hellues | there is no output there is permission denied |
| 22:57.53 | jelly-ho | CalJohn: nope |
| 22:57.55 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, it's building |
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| 22:58.04 | hellues | you said |
| 22:58.05 | CalJohn | jelly-ho: ? |
| 22:58.07 | l0c4lh0st | I'm wondering what errors it'll give hehe |
| 22:58.08 | azeem | hellues: I didn't |
| 22:58.19 | jelly-ho | CalJohn: visudo is just a wrapper for $EDITOR /etc/sudoers |
| 22:58.24 | azeem | you said: |
| 22:58.25 | azeem | 23:54 < hellues> i wrote this line /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 22:58.31 | azeem | hellues: wrote where? how? |
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| 22:58.39 | hellues | <azeem> hellues: what was the output after /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf ? |
| 22:58.42 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: how long is it going to build? |
| 22:58.42 | Eulex | jelly-ho, not really, it also verifies that the file has correct syntax. |
| 22:58.43 | hellues | what is this |
| 22:58.44 | RULON | yes ok, but it opens in the shell, and i dont know howq to edit on terminal, i edit with mousepad or nedit |
| 22:58.51 | l0c4lh0st | A bit long... |
| 22:58.55 | l0c4lh0st | 10 minutes or so lol |
| 22:58.56 | azeem | hellues: why did you write it in the first place? |
| 22:58.59 | jelly-ho | Eulex: I didn't say how smart a wrapper it was! |
| 22:59.00 | l0c4lh0st | Well, that was last time |
| 22:59.05 | l0c4lh0st | 20% now |
| 22:59.05 | blubberdiblub | well 10 minutes would be okay for me |
| 22:59.05 | S4nD3r | When I connect my USB pen drive, I got an error Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied. |
| 22:59.10 | S4nD3r | What to do to solve this one ? |
| 22:59.14 | l0c4lh0st | 28% |
| 22:59.14 | RULON | sixty6murph, |
| 22:59.15 | CalJohn | jelly-ho: I didn't know that. I thought it was for quick edits as root. What is visudo for then? |
| 22:59.16 | hellues | pff |
| 22:59.24 | l0c4lh0st | I think it's not gonna be 10 minutes |
| 22:59.26 | CalJohn | jelly-ho: I mean, it seems pretty redundant |
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| 22:59.33 | blubberdiblub | maybe 15 this time around |
| 22:59.34 | azeem | hellues: the point is, you sould carefully read what advise is given to you |
| 22:59.38 | l0c4lh0st | Ah almost done |
| 22:59.40 | l0c4lh0st | oh, failed |
| 22:59.41 | l0c4lh0st | :< |
| 22:59.57 | blubberdiblub | oh :/ which error message? |
| 23:00.01 | sixty6murph | ok, syslog from failed install (base system->kernel->initramfs-tools) is apt-install: Failed to fetch cdrom.........deb MD5Sum mismatch |
| 23:00.07 | l0c4lh0st | wow, a LOOOOT errors |
| 23:00.10 | l0c4lh0st | I'll pastebin the log |
| 23:00.19 | jelly-ho | CalJohn: eh, doesn't make sense to transcribe from tfm for you, and Eulex already mention one function it performs |
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| 23:00.38 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.com/d426fcf2a blubberdiblub |
| 23:00.57 | CalJohn | jelly-ho: yeah, i was reading tfm, but I don't see any huge use for it. nevermind |
| 23:01.02 | l0c4lh0st | I think my kernel doesn't understand the code used in that package |
| 23:01.05 | hellues | azeem, when i chang my source.list wrote lenny it gives me an error dynapmic map out of room etc. |
| 23:01.11 | S4nD3r | Details: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration fine (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal") |
| 23:01.11 | azeem | hellues: we know |
| 23:01.19 | hellues | andrising apt-cache limit doesnt work |
| 23:01.24 | azeem | hellues: and dpkg told you how to fix it |
| 23:01.29 | jelly-ho | CalJohn: tbh I also just edit directly, but that's not the proper way to do it |
| 23:01.30 | Eulex | hellues, raise it more! |
| 23:01.31 | hellues | how can i fix this error |
| 23:01.32 | azeem | hellues: what value did you est it to? |
| 23:01.35 | azeem | set* |
| 23:01.50 | hellues | vhmm |
| 23:02.05 | spldart | I have a multi nick machine running iptables... for a long while I just have it directing traffic but when I tried to set up some network services, ie: ssh, apache, they aren't reachable from any portion of the network... The netstat -Nnap doesn't look right to me... http://70.240.225.248:8080/netstat-Nnap.doc Any ideas? |
| 23:02.05 | l0c4lh0st | Cool, now I got the blue screen again :D |
| 23:02.08 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: urgh ... looks like it needs a newer kernel :/ apparently the kernel structures changed a bit in between |
| 23:02.23 | spldart | s/nick/nic |
| 23:02.31 | hellues | azeem, APT::Cache-Limit 12582912; |
| 23:02.36 | l0c4lh0st | Ah... That's really too bad. :/ |
| 23:02.38 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: try a newer kernel from backports.org |
| 23:02.53 | l0c4lh0st | jelly-ho: Problem... It's running on a Linksys NSLU2 |
| 23:02.58 | azeem | hellues: did you read further on? |
| 23:02.59 | RULON | i have a usb headset, i pluged them first time and they work, but someone told me about a program with better sound architecture for debian, could someone explain me that :D? |
| 23:03.06 | slaytanic | spldart: netstat-Nnap.doc .. seriously? |
| 23:03.12 | l0c4lh0st | Which needs ixp4xx drivers in the kernel |
| 23:03.25 | spldart | what? |
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| 23:03.39 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: hm, and you say there's not an abundance of arm built kernels in the backports? :-) |
| 23:03.45 | hellues | did you read what azeem |
| 23:03.46 | spldart | netstat -Nnap >>/my/local/dir |
| 23:03.49 | spldart | .doc |
| 23:03.53 | l0c4lh0st | I don't know jelly-ho |
| 23:03.57 | l0c4lh0st | I could take a look |
| 23:04.04 | l0c4lh0st | Running lenny on my slug would be awesome :D |
| 23:04.11 | azeem | hellues: what else dpkg told you |
| 23:04.22 | l0c4lh0st | backports.org is down though |
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| 23:04.30 | hellues | dpkg |
| 23:04.33 | hellues | dpkg what |
| 23:04.33 | dpkg | This! |
| 23:04.34 | azeem | hellues: "If you still get the same error, increase the value." |
| 23:04.36 | hellues | any option |
| 23:04.38 | blubberdiblub | anyways, gotta go to bed, sorry |
| 23:04.44 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: sounds like a good reason to call it a night! |
| 23:04.48 | l0c4lh0st | Hey no problem blubberdiblub, thanks for the good help :) |
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| 23:05.10 | l0c4lh0st | Really, you've been a great help, just like jelly-ho and the others |
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| 23:05.43 | hellues | i increase the value to 5 billion |
| 23:05.44 | blubberdiblub | you're welcome. good night |
| 23:05.45 | hellues | azeem, |
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| 23:05.57 | RULON | i have a usb headset, i pluged them first time and they work, but someone told me about a program with better sound architecture for debian, could someone explain me that :D? |
| 23:06.24 | spldart | Don't make my spam my query RULON! hehe |
| 23:06.35 | ServerSide | why I see ugly "?" when it should displays éàçù ? my xterm is on fr_FR.UTF-8 |
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| 23:07.08 | RULON | spldart, ? |
| 23:07.11 | l0c4lh0st | jelly-ho: Oops, I think I understood wrong |
| 23:07.38 | l0c4lh0st | You're saying backports.org contains lenny modules that are changed in such a way they will run on etch or sarge or something/ |
| 23:07.47 | l0c4lh0st | I thought it was to upgrade my Debian to lenny :P |
| 23:08.14 | sixty6murph | hi, i'm having a problem installing etch, its failing at installing initramfs-tools. the problem is with apt, it claims there's a bad md5sum with that package. |
| 23:08.27 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: backports.org contains packages than can be (relatively safely) installed on stable |
| 23:08.36 | azeem | hellues: if you run "free", what are the numbers in the second line? |
| 23:08.50 | l0c4lh0st | I hope the rt2x00-source package is on it |
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| 23:09.14 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: so I thought eg. 2.6.23 from backports + whatever rt2x00 you have now could be a winning combo |
| 23:09.37 | l0c4lh0st | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/HomePage Doesn't seem they will be supporting lenny anytime soon |
| 23:09.40 | lontra | any latex pro know for example, how could i sometimes have a 1 cm space between paragraphs (when i specify) and at other times have the default spacing for a new paragraph? |
| 23:09.59 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, I can use the etch rt2x00 to match against the lenny rt2x00 to make it compatible for my kernel? |
| 23:10.04 | l0c4lh0st | Or do I understand it wrong? |
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| 23:10.51 | DawnLight | hello. exim question: i've a single active router that sends all messages to a smarthost. i want all these messages that are sent through that router to be archived locally. from what i've read so far i'll need to remove the no_more from it and configure a second router after it that will do this. am i right so far? what kind of router should i use and what kind of transport? |
| 23:11.00 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: the lenny version of rt2x00-source doesn't work with etch 2.6.18 kernel+headers. Maybe it will work with linux-image-2.6-ixp4xx (2.6.22+11~bpo.1) [backports] |
| 23:11.36 | l0c4lh0st | That means a kernel upgrade to unstable? |
| 23:11.43 | l0c4lh0st | testing, even |
| 23:12.00 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: to a kernel package from etch-backports |
| 23:12.54 | spldart | n/m |
| 23:12.56 | jelly-ho | l0c4lh0st: if you want to really hose your system, you could every try installing linux-image-2.6.24-1-ixp4xx from unstable :-) |
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| 23:13.12 | l0c4lh0st | Hm so I guess I'll go sleep now... I'll write backports.org down |
| 23:13.54 | l0c4lh0st | Oh there's http://backports.dereferenced.org/ too |
| 23:14.51 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, that's not the same. |
| 23:15.07 | jelly-ho | I can't recommend any other 3rd party repo apart from backports.org and dmm |
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| 23:15.42 | barque | So the most recent release is 4.0r3? |
| 23:15.54 | Eulex | barque, yes |
| 23:16.06 | barque | great I'm gonna try it on qemu :) |
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| 23:16.25 | l0c4lh0st | I thought the newest one was lenny? 4.0r3 is etch, right? |
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| 23:16.48 | jelly-ho | lenny is not released yet |
| 23:17.50 | l0c4lh0st | Err http://backports.dereferenced.org etch/main Packages |
| 23:17.50 | l0c4lh0st | 404 Not Found |
| 23:17.50 | barque | So I can pretty much build an entire system off the business-card iso right? |
| 23:17.53 | l0c4lh0st | Hm not that great site. |
| 23:18.06 | themill | !tell l0c4lh0st about lenny |
| 23:18.20 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, http://backports.dereferenced.org != backports.org |
| 23:18.21 | cloner | Can we call the next release Nadeem? |
| 23:18.42 | l0c4lh0st | Sept 2008, wow. |
| 23:18.45 | barque | Oh please don't. |
| 23:18.50 | Eulex | cloner, name's already decided, "Lenny" |
| 23:18.57 | Eulex | barque, yes |
| 23:19.05 | cloner | what about the one after that? |
| 23:19.08 | l0c4lh0st | What's up with these names anyway :D |
| 23:19.17 | l0c4lh0st | Who makes them up? Sid, Sarge, Etch, Lenny |
| 23:19.17 | Eulex | cloner, not decided |
| 23:19.18 | barque | cloner, can we not have Arabic/Persian names? |
| 23:19.23 | l0c4lh0st | They seem very random |
| 23:19.33 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, they are from toy story |
| 23:19.34 | barque | Not everyone will get it |
| 23:19.34 | themill | !release history |
| 23:19.34 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 23:19.41 | cloner | Lenny is Jamaican name? |
| 23:19.56 | l0c4lh0st | heh nice :D |
| 23:19.58 | barque | Lenny is as American as Lenny and Carl in Simpsons :D |
| 23:19.58 | Eulex | cloner, it comes from lenny the binoculars |
| 23:20.18 | cloner | Arabic and Persion name are very very different, opposites, Persion names are more like Roman names |
| 23:20.31 | barque | ahh naw, we have a lot of Arabic names |
| 23:20.37 | barque | A lot of Arabic words too |
| 23:20.51 | l0c4lh0st | That is so awesome. |
| 23:21.24 | l0c4lh0st | So I just removed that backports.something.org, I'll wait till backports.org is online |
| 23:21.32 | barque | After the Arabic invasions (or conquest w/e you wanna call it) our religion, language and traditions got modified |
| 23:21.36 | barque | greatly |
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| 23:21.45 | cloner | man....I am thinking doing a reinstall, cause i have no sound in flash |
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| 23:22.25 | ManuP | 3 |
| 23:22.32 | jelly-ho | cloner: why do you think a reinstall will help? |
| 23:23.21 | ManuP | is there a specific channel in which i can ask a question about mp3? |
| 23:23.26 | cloner | cause when I install it usually works, but this install I have now is kinda old, and maybe I made a mistake by install non deb package for flash |
| 23:24.07 | cloner | jelly-ho, do you use think a harddware issue is the problem? |
| 23:24.12 | l0c4lh0st | #mp3 |
| 23:24.22 | l0c4lh0st | oh, not |
| 23:25.01 | cloner | jelly-ho, nuff respect on that no doubt |
| 23:25.04 | ManuP | l0c4lh0st, there are about 20 peoole... |
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| 23:25.26 | jelly-ho | cloner: no, I think nothing short of a heavily corrupted system is a cause for reinstallation |
| 23:25.27 | l0c4lh0st | You're going to ##unavailable then |
| 23:25.47 | sixty6murph | RULON: did you get that sorted? |
| 23:25.57 | cloner | jelly-ho, yeah but I want sound so I can watch flash videos |
| 23:26.16 | RULON | sixty6murph, ur very phantom u know that :D |
| 23:26.19 | ManuP | yap |
| 23:26.58 | fiendishfish | Can anyone think of any other sensitive directories which could be wiped apart from /var/tmp & /tmp & ~./recently-visited & browser cache |
| 23:27.09 | RULON | lets wait another 4 years till sixty6murph answers |
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| 23:27.20 | jelly-ho | cloner: I'd purge the flashplugin-nonfree package, find any files named libflashplayer.so and remove them too, then install the package anew |
| 23:27.30 | ManuP | okay... i read about "embeding cover into mp3 tag". is this good or bad? will every mp3-file increasen in space? if so, this would be bad... |
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| 23:27.47 | sixty6murph | i try my best. anyway i'm at a windows box trying to fix my linux box, which is driving me up the wall. i can't access my sudoers file. |
| 23:27.56 | l0c4lh0st | Of course it will increase in size. |
| 23:28.06 | l0c4lh0st | The JPG / PNG needs to be embedded in it. |
| 23:28.06 | sixty6murph | but when you run visudo there should be a commented out line at the top. |
| 23:28.16 | cloner | jelly-ho, well I just installed that package today, cause before that I was using some other one |
| 23:28.21 | sixty6murph | just copy that replacing the example username with whichever one you want to add |
| 23:28.28 | jelly-ho | cloner: what other one? |
| 23:28.40 | l0c4lh0st | ok I'm gonna sleep, good night all and thanks for the help |
| 23:29.19 | cloner | jelly-ho, hmm, I can't remember for sure, but there was a swf-player, and flash-mozilla I think |
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| 23:29.50 | cloner | jelly-ho, oh yeah flashplayer-mozilla |
| 23:30.10 | themill | cloner: try uninstalling these and then /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 23:30.10 | jelly-ho | cloner: well, you can also search for, and purge those as well |
| 23:30.24 | themill | cloner: does sound work in other applications ok? |
| 23:30.36 | cloner | jelly-ho, I purge them and then I had no flash player at all |
| 23:30.41 | cloner | themill, yes |
| 23:30.44 | jelly-ho | cloner: correct. |
| 23:30.51 | tuvwx | is it really impossible to install grub on an lvm root (/boot on lvm)?! |
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| 23:30.59 | ManuP | hmm.. how much would it increase? |
| 23:31.03 | theLichKing | hi |
| 23:31.41 | ManuP | or, how big are the cover-files? |
| 23:31.41 | cloner | jelly-ho, no I mean, that is what I did before I installed the flashplugin-nonfree package |
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| 23:31.41 | ManuP | hi theLichKing |
| 23:31.42 | sixtysixmurph | sorry, got booted there |
| 23:31.42 | theLichKing | there was a website that posts funny noobish help requests.. anyone knows what it is? |
| 23:31.42 | cloner | jelly-ho, but I didn't search for and remove the .so file, where would that be? |
| 23:32.10 | jelly-ho | cloner: no idea, that's why I told to search. |
| 23:32.15 | tuvwx | no interest in lvm? |
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| 23:32.19 | fiendishfish | Is it safe to wipe all of /var/log |
| 23:32.40 | orbisvicis | thats a really good question |
| 23:33.24 | jelly-ho | fiendishfish: you need to take care of files that are in use |
| 23:33.50 | jelly-ho | fiendishfish: it should be safe to wipe all the rotated ones |
| 23:34.04 | fiendishfish | jelly-ho, I'm going to try code it so it wipes on reboot after most proccesses are killed or w/e |
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| 23:34.59 | jelly-ho | fiendishfish: if you don't need the logs, why not just shut down syslog and configure the rest not to log anything? |
| 23:35.26 | fiendishfish | jelly-ho, can you think of any other sensitive directories besides: /var/log /var/tmp /tmp ~./recently-used, broswer cache etc? |
| 23:35.46 | jelly-ho | fiendishfish: sensitive? |
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| 23:36.10 | fiendishfish | Contains information about which directories i've visited, files opened/viewed etc |
| 23:37.14 | jelly-ho | if you have a local proxy, its cache |
| 23:37.34 | fiendishfish | What? |
| 23:37.49 | barque | anyone tried mounting mp4 players with Debian? |
| 23:37.51 | fiendishfish | Can you not think of anymore directories which could be wiped |
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| 23:38.36 | orbisvicis | fiendishfish, nautilus cache |
| 23:38.58 | orbisvicis | or file-manager cache |
| 23:39.00 | fiendishfish | What cache? |
| 23:39.03 | fiendishfish | Ah |
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| 23:39.18 | orbisvicis | what in limits.conf corresponds to ulimit -n ? |
| 23:39.27 | orbisvicis | the man pages arent very helpful |
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| 23:39.31 | jelly-ho | fiendishfish: if you worry about that, why not set up something like the livecd images do, a static image of a system with everything else written on a ramdisk |
| 23:39.52 | fiendishfish | It's ok like this :) |
| 23:39.57 | fiendishfish | It's just for privacy etc |
| 23:40.17 | barque | err anyone ever tried Debian on qemu? got it working? |
| 23:40.18 | sebas891 | anyone, recently install ejabberd on etch and have it working? |
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| 23:40.46 | sebas891 | I cannot register the admin user... it's annoying! |
| 23:40.51 | hellues_ | does nvidia-glx driver work for nvidia gforce 8500 |
| 23:40.56 | hellues_ | does nvidia-glx driver work for nvidia gforce 8500 GT |
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| 23:41.24 | Eulex | hellues, not the one in etch. |
| 23:42.01 | Eulex | !tell hellues about simple sid backport |
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| 23:42.11 | orbisvicis | sebas891, couldnt even get it working... thats why i went to openfired |
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| 23:42.29 | hellues_ | Eulex, |
| 23:42.33 | hellues_ | i know nvidia-glx |
| 23:42.39 | barque | anyone ever tried Debian on qemu? |
| 23:42.39 | hellues_ | is in unstable repo |
| 23:42.41 | hellues_ | but |
| 23:42.48 | Eulex | !tell hellues about enter |
| 23:42.57 | hellues_ | nvidia-glx works for nvidia-glx 8500 GT right |
| 23:43.03 | Eulex | hellues, please do not press enter after every single word. |
| 23:43.06 | hellues_ | i am sorry about enter |
| 23:43.16 | Eulex | hellues, nvidia-glx from unstable does. nvidia-glx from etch doesn't. |
| 23:43.21 | sebas891 | orbisvicis: I'm in the same boat... did you've a problem with the hostname and registration of the admin user ? |
| 23:43.24 | hellues_ | oki |
| 23:44.42 | cloner | I think my sound problem with flash is not because it isn't installed, but because it is trying to use onboard sound when I have addon audio card |
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| 23:45.07 | orbisvicis | sebas891, it was a ways back something with the hostname and strange errors on starting it up. Yes, I couldnt set the admin name either |
| 23:45.44 | orbisvicis | more i dug more it seemed imposible to fix. Never solved it. |
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| 23:47.43 | sebas891 | orbisvicis: I've build the package ejabberd 2.0 for etch, still not working. I saw a bug report in debian about a similar problem... |
| 23:48.01 | sebas891 | how is openfire working for you? |
| 23:48.20 | theLichKing | it's burning him i think |
| 23:48.26 | orbisvicis | hehe |
| 23:48.28 | orbisvicis | just fine |
| 23:49.26 | orbisvicis | just one issue it bound to one of tomcat's ports |
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| 23:49.42 | S4nD3r | Hello.. Please, which is the reason of this error: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied. |
| 23:50.02 | orbisvicis | 8080 |
| 23:50.24 | akuwamari | why the people pay for Suse and RedHat? |
| 23:50.33 | jelly-ho | akuwamari: hardware support |
| 23:50.38 | \amethyst | akuwamari: support |
| 23:50.44 | orbisvicis | but i never really used openfire ... college student just testing it out |
| 23:50.59 | orbisvicis | not like im going to replace the aim network any time sson |
| 23:51.08 | \amethyst | akuwamari: And lots of people don't pay for (open)suse and fedora |
| 23:51.14 | sebas891 | orbisvicis: openfire needs java... a turn off (for me) |
| 23:51.20 | akuwamari | good |
| 23:51.45 | akuwamari | hum, for that reason some printers doesn't work with debian |
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| 23:51.56 | master_alvaro | how to update kernel from 2.6.23 to 2.6.24? can anyone give me link to how-to? |
| 23:52.08 | orbisvicis | yeah. but thats why i tried it ... except that tomcat compliance in a .war is deprecated |
| 23:52.17 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: is the user member of plugdev group? |
| 23:52.33 | orbisvicis | so either way the java issue doesnt bother me ... i run openfire standalone |
| 23:52.45 | S4nD3r | I found a help about it.. |
| 23:52.49 | S4nD3r | Im checking it |
| 23:53.21 | master_alvaro | * debian sid, why apt* update doesn't work? |
| 23:53.55 | master_alvaro | (why apt doesn't update kernel?) |
| 23:53.59 | S4nD3r | At boot, gdm warning adm group didnt exist. dbus warning that netdev, powerdev, plugdev and stb-admin groups didnt exists too |
| 23:54.10 | S4nD3r | I created those groups manually, is ok !? |
| 23:54.18 | themill | master_alvaro: you'll need to pastebin the command you used and the entire output plus your sources.list for us |
| 23:54.24 | \amethyst | master_alvaro: because usually upgrading the kernel involves installing a new package and uninstalling the old one |
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| 23:54.55 | \amethyst | master_alvaro: so you typically need dist-upgrade instead (assuming you have the linux-image-2.6 metapackage installed) |
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| 23:55.59 | master_alvaro | ok, thx |
| 23:56.27 | themill | why he's using sid is the next question... |
| 23:58.15 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: at least adm and plugdev have fixed gid in Debian, have you recreated them with correct numbers? |
| 23:58.34 | S4nD3r | No... |
| 23:58.41 | S4nD3r | I just used command line |
| 23:58.56 | S4nD3r | adm is 1001 |
| 23:59.01 | S4nD3r | netdev is 1002 |
| 23:59.05 | S4nD3r | powerdev is 1003 |
| 23:59.09 | S4nD3r | plugdev is 1004 |
| 23:59.14 | S4nD3r | stb-admin is 1005 |
| 23:59.16 | azeem | those aren't system groups |
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| 23:59.27 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: that's wrong |
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| 23:59.34 | S4nD3r | oh.... |
| 23:59.42 | goretex | hi people |
| 23:59.51 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: which release of debian are you using? |
| 23:59.57 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 23:59.59 | S4nD3r | lenny |
