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| 00:00.18 | goretex | im using debian testing and i do dpkg-reconfigure -a and now dont start in grafic mode |
| 00:00.21 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: have you messed with files in /etc/, like /etc/group manually? |
| 00:00.31 | S4nD3r | No. |
| 00:00.43 | S4nD3r | I used addgroup, something like that |
| 00:01.09 | netdaemon | wow...my debian install is half the size of the fedora install i had |
| 00:01.14 | netdaemon | basicly the same software |
| 00:01.16 | S4nD3r | adm:x:1001: netdev:x:1002:sander powerdev:x:1003:sander plugdev:x:1004:sander stb-admin:x:1005:sander |
| 00:01.16 | goretex | where i put the option to start in grafic mode??? |
| 00:01.39 | amphi | goretex: install xdm or an equivalent |
| 00:01.58 | S4nD3r | goretex: xdm, gdm, kdm, which WM do you have installed? |
| 00:02.05 | goretex | i got installed gdm |
| 00:02.10 | goretex | gnome |
| 00:02.14 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: those are wrong. In addition, not having an adm group is definitely seriously wrong. :-) |
| 00:02.25 | S4nD3r | hummm... |
| 00:02.31 | S4nD3r | jelly-ho: What to do ? |
| 00:02.35 | amphi | goretex: if X is configured correctly, you should have graphical login |
| 00:02.51 | goretex | now im in grafic mode i do startx |
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| 00:02.54 | goretex | to start |
| 00:03.24 | fiendishfish | any idea how to set a bash script so it runs when the shutdown or reboot command has been issued |
| 00:03.32 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: remove those groups you added manually, run "update-passwd --verbose" for starters |
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| 00:04.21 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: have you installed any packages from 3rd party repositories or used 3rd party installers? |
| 00:04.30 | amphi | goretex: that's what I do, I don't use a ?dm here; I thought just installing a ?dm would give graphical login |
| 00:04.49 | S4nD3r | update-passwd is great !!! I guess this worked !!! |
| 00:04.55 | S4nD3r | I dont know what is 3rd party |
| 00:05.02 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: "not debian" |
| 00:05.06 | amphi | fiendishfish: symlink it in /etc/rc6.d and /etc/rc0.d |
| 00:05.12 | S4nD3r | I dont think so |
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| 00:05.24 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: pastebin the output of update-passwd |
| 00:07.01 | S4nD3r | http://paste.debian.net/50377 Here is it ! |
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| 00:07.29 | goretex | amphi: ok but i want to star in gdm this machine is used for me only |
| 00:07.45 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: looks like your /etc/group wsa completely broken |
| 00:08.17 | S4nD3r | ummmm... |
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| 00:09.00 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: dpkg -l libc6 base-passwd | tail -2 |
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| 00:09.58 | S4nD3r | http://paste.debian.net/50378 Here is it |
| 00:10.11 | abrocadabro | the output of 'ldapsearch -x' gives me the entire list of users and other information associated with them, I am trying to use SSH to authenticate against LDAP using PAM, the error message is pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user ... , I did a search on Google but couldn't find a solution, any ideas? |
| 00:10.48 | fiendishfish | Can anyone help me with troubles with WIPE |
| 00:10.51 | themill | abrocadabro: do you have anything else in your ~/.ldaprc |
| 00:10.59 | amphi | goretex: I don't know about gdm |
| 00:11.01 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: for the other groups, you'll have to find which packages have brought them, and either dpkg-reconfigure those or reinstall |
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| 00:11.12 | fiendishfish | wipe: cannot rename `/tmp/lgH8g8+g=@alcviOFI6d@=csu': No such file or directory |
| 00:11.29 | fiendishfish | I dunno why it's giving this annyoing problem |
| 00:11.42 | S4nD3r | Oh.... How do find it ? |
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| 00:12.19 | abrocadabro | <themill>: I don't have that file |
| 00:12.32 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: grep for the affected group names in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.{pre,post}inst, I guess |
| 00:13.22 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: for example: cd /var/lib/dpkg/info; grep netdev *.postinst |
| 00:14.02 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: if it finds the group in a file called avahi-daemon.postinst, try "dpkg-reconfigure avahi-daemon" |
| 00:14.05 | goretex | ow!!! sh***** |
| 00:14.19 | goretex | amphi let go to search |
| 00:14.45 | Xenguy | backports appear to be offline, anyone know why? |
| 00:14.51 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: however, if your /etc/group was broken, who knows what else might be. |
| 00:15.00 | S4nD3r | avahi-daemon.postinst and wpasupplicant.postinst to netdev |
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| 00:15.20 | akuwamari | problem with XMMS sound solved |
| 00:15.38 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: I'd look in your backups for the last version of /etc/group containing adm group, and try to see what happened afterwards that broke it |
| 00:16.26 | S4nD3r | I dont have any backups |
| 00:16.32 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: WHY? |
| 00:16.32 | S4nD3r | this installation is so new !!! |
| 00:17.11 | S4nD3r | This is to wi-fi wpasupplicant.postinst??? I dont have any wireless device |
| 00:17.23 | Xenguy | !dpkg |
| 00:17.23 | dpkg | from memory, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>, or me. |
| 00:17.33 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: if you don't have any important data, and don't know how to find out what happened, it might be easier to just reinstall Debian |
| 00:18.18 | S4nD3r | its a problem, because I have just a CD netinst |
| 00:18.28 | S4nD3r | this will takes more than 6 hours to install !!! |
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| 00:19.09 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: it would be wise to find out what happened to /etc/group, then. |
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| 00:20.01 | akuwamari | what is the procedure to paste in #flood ? |
| 00:20.11 | akuwamari | the people need to be there |
| 00:20.12 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: or you could just fix this one symptom and hope nothing else is broken :-| |
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| 00:20.27 | jelly-ho | akuwamari: better to use a pastebin instead |
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| 00:20.47 | akuwamari | i think so |
| 00:20.50 | akuwamari | thanks |
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| 00:21.56 | S4nD3r | I found the packages |
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| 00:22.17 | S4nD3r | hal, avahi-daemon, pmount, system-tools-backends |
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| 00:22.37 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: try doing a "dpkg-reconfigure packagename", one package for each group, and see if that recreates the groups |
| 00:23.30 | S4nD3r | so... |
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| 00:23.39 | S4nD3r | I think this was correct |
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| 00:23.52 | S4nD3r | update-passwd --verbose - No changes needed |
| 00:23.56 | freezer | hmm |
| 00:24.37 | freezer | wtf -- i'm looking for a job in a cafe/restaurant but they ALL want experience, how is someone with no experience EVER supposed to get a job in this area? |
| 00:24.56 | freezer | maybe people are born with experience! |
| 00:25.40 | akuwamari | heheheh |
| 00:25.42 | akuwamari | well |
| 00:25.42 | jelly-ho | a) be truthful and hope they take you b) volunteer somewhere first, gain exp c) lie |
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| 00:25.52 | akuwamari | the problem is they don't want risk |
| 00:25.59 | themill | !ot |
| 00:25.59 | dpkg | ot is probably Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:26.06 | akuwamari | hehe |
| 00:26.16 | freezer | ya |
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| 00:26.40 | freezer | c looks like the best alternative |
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| 00:27.29 | Japsu | Has GNU Screen been setuid root in Debian lately? |
| 00:27.46 | jelly-ho | Japsu: nope |
| 00:28.21 | S4nD3r | jelly-ho: I think this solved my problem |
| 00:28.24 | Japsu | I'm just wondering, on a Debian box with screen 4.00.03 I'm having user screens owned by root and their children owned by the user |
| 00:28.38 | jelly-ho | Japsu: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 258728 Dec 21 2003 /usr/bin/screen # sarge |
| 00:28.40 | Japsu | on the other hand, there are also screens owned by the user |
| 00:28.51 | Japsu | yeah, that's what I'm having too - no setuid, setgid utmp |
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| 00:29.29 | Japsu | what I cannot comprehend is that how on earth have those user screens owned by root come to exist |
| 00:29.40 | Japsu | is that what screen does when setuid root? |
| 00:29.52 | S4nD3r | jelly-ho: Thank you so much !!! |
| 00:29.56 | S4nD3r | See you soon |
| 00:30.02 | jelly-ho | S4nD3r: yes. However if something munged your /etc/group, you should really look it up |
| 00:30.33 | S4nD3r | ok.... |
| 00:30.43 | S4nD3r | Tell me, about gnome |
| 00:30.55 | S4nD3r | which package I need installed to upgrade my menu automatically ??? |
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| 00:31.21 | S4nD3r | there is some packages installed that do not goes to menu |
| 00:31.32 | cloner | I think I figured out the problem with my flash no sound, it thinks something else is using sound, I will test by restarting and running flash first thing, but is there another way, cause I can't log off right now |
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| 00:34.04 | S4nD3r | Im my gnome, theres no menu debian, why?? |
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| 00:34.14 | jetscreamer | there never is |
| 00:34.32 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 00:34.46 | jetscreamer | you 'might' make sure the other menu things are installed |
| 00:34.57 | jetscreamer | as to how you would enable it... not sure |
| 00:35.12 | S4nD3r | ok... I ll see it |
| 00:35.14 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 00:35.15 | azeem | S4nD3r: use alacarte to enable the Debian menu |
| 00:35.18 | azeem | e.g. |
| 00:35.23 | jetscreamer | aha |
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| 00:36.06 | S4nD3r | great !!! |
| 00:36.08 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 00:36.32 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 00:36.34 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 00:36.35 | S4nD3r | bye |
| 00:36.39 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 00:40.01 | cloner | I have debian in my gnome menu |
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| 00:42.43 | cloner | probably you can just add it with the menu editor |
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| 00:46.22 | emma | does debian also have the sudo command? |
| 00:46.33 | DustyBin | it can do if you install it |
| 00:46.44 | emma | what do you do with out it? |
| 00:46.50 | emma | how do you apt-get intall without sudo? |
| 00:46.51 | DustyBin | su |
| 00:47.09 | emma | does that leave you as super user ? |
| 00:47.13 | DustyBin | yes |
| 00:47.16 | emma | you would go su on one line |
| 00:47.24 | emma | and then apt-get install <package> |
| 00:47.24 | cloner | forget it...no flash sound for me |
| 00:47.26 | DustyBin | yes |
| 00:47.32 | emma | then how do you exit su ? |
| 00:47.35 | emma | su -q |
| 00:47.36 | DustyBin | type |
| 00:47.36 | emma | ? |
| 00:47.37 | DustyBin | exit |
| 00:47.41 | emma | oh just exit |
| 00:47.42 | emma | okay. |
| 00:47.46 | DustyBin | that brings you back to the previous shell |
| 00:47.50 | emma | Sounds reasonable to me. |
| 00:48.05 | emma | These Ubuntu guys, some times I feel like they are trying to control me. |
| 00:48.16 | emma | I'm not just talking about the OS I'm talking about on IRC and all over. |
| 00:48.22 | DustyBin | emma: dont use the 'U' word in here :P |
| 00:48.47 | emma | I think I might be able to switch in a few months. |
| 00:48.56 | emma | I was thinking, if I get a laptop, I could probably put debian on it.. |
| 00:49.08 | DustyBin | debian can do everything what 'U' can do with added stability |
| 00:49.21 | emma | Debian isn't trying to control me. |
| 00:49.28 | DustyBin | nope |
| 00:49.37 | emma | Does debian have IRSeek coming in here to spy on us also? |
| 00:49.46 | DustyBin | is that a bot? |
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| 00:50.12 | cloner | emma, take a seat relax, no on is trying to control you, can you control yourself though? |
| 00:50.56 | emma | Yeah this IRSeek corporation was spying on people on freenode and publishing the logs. When Freenode found out they were upset. Well, IRSeek said, 'okay we'll leve channel ops 'opt-in' or 'opt-out'. |
| 00:51.22 | emma | Well, the ops in #ubuntu have decided to welcome this corporation that sits there and spys on us. I really detest that and it creeps me out. |
| 00:51.32 | DustyBin | who cares |
| 00:51.51 | DustyBin | does it matter? debian is about free |
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| 00:52.18 | DustyBin | if somone wants to publish me saying this so let them, it doesnt make any difference to anything |
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| 00:52.31 | emma | It matters. It's like something from George Orwell's 1984, to be recording conversations and then publishing them for all to see, and for the profit of this Israeli corporation. |
| 00:52.51 | kgoetz | israeli? irsieek isnt israeli |
| 00:53.07 | emma | Yes IRSeek is an israeli corporation. |
| 00:53.13 | freezer | so if you say something against their religion you might get killed? |
| 00:53.14 | freezer | :p |
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| 00:53.24 | freezer | because they publish it all over the world |
| 00:53.45 | cloner | emma, they are always watching you |
| 00:53.53 | cloner | emma, so watch them |
| 00:53.55 | kgoetz | emma: why do you think that? |
| 00:54.06 | emma | I find it creepy and detestable. For more than one reason. First of all it's just rude and uncomfortable when you aren't talking to people you can see, but rather, its all being published to people you will never see. |
| 00:54.08 | cloner | emma, that is a holy verse from the holy Koran |
| 00:54.10 | azeem | emma: please keep it on topic |
| 00:54.26 | azeem | cloner: you as well |
| 00:54.46 | freezer | here are 800 people in the chan |
| 00:54.51 | DustyBin | emma: i just copied and pasted what you just said and put it on the biggest forum on earth, now everyone will see... anyway, back to debian |
| 00:54.53 | freezer | im sure you know very few of them |
| 00:54.59 | emma | the second reason is because it's wrong for them to take the voluntary expertise of generous people sharing information in their free time, and then steal that content and publish it for their own financial gain. |
| 00:55.07 | azeem | emma: please keep it on topic |
| 00:55.17 | cloner | The Jews watch on me on my debian maching masterbating, they are perverts. put that on on DustyBin |
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| 00:55.38 | azeem | cloner: please keep it on topic |
| 00:55.49 | freezer | azeem: shut the fuck up |
| 00:56.03 | azeem | freezer: please stay cool |
| 00:56.06 | cloner | freespace, woow |
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| 00:56.34 | cloner | freezer, Sir, I need you to remain calm. Has anyone ever said that to you? |
| 00:56.49 | theLichKing | cloner: shut up dirty ape |
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| 00:57.07 | themill | freezer, cloner: please take your insults elsewhere |
| 00:57.30 | emma | Gentleman, gentleman, please relax. |
| 00:57.33 | cloner | themill, me, I didn't say anything? |
| 00:57.37 | freezer | you all shut the fuck up now |
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| 00:58.01 | azeem | freezer: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 00:58.12 | RULON | is there any debian or linux package that speeds up the graphics? |
| 00:58.42 | theLichKing | RULON: you can only overclock your graphix card CPU |
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| 00:58.47 | theLichKing | software does nothing |
| 00:58.49 | cloner | I wanna set up a surveilence maching using debian when I get a job one decade and have money |
| 00:59.05 | emma | do any of you debian guys ever install the sudo thing? |
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| 00:59.15 | cloner | theLichKing, porky pig |
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| 00:59.19 | azeem | using sudo is recommended |
| 00:59.20 | emma | I'm so used to sudo I wonder if I could just keep that if I move to debian. Would that be odd ? |
| 00:59.22 | kgoetz | emma: its part of the default desktop task |
| 00:59.28 | emma | Oh I see. |
| 00:59.32 | theLichKing | cloner: silencee |
| 00:59.33 | octox2 | does umask -o work in linux? |
| 00:59.35 | emma | For some reason I thought maybe that wasn't in Debian. |
| 00:59.50 | DustyBin | emma: sudo is used on 'U' because the users cannot be trusted :P |
| 01:00.06 | cloner | theLichKing, alright, alright, shaloam |
| 01:00.31 | theLichKing | cloner: i'm not jewish, but yeah whatever |
| 01:01.06 | cloner | go check the mirror, you are danial son you are |
| 01:01.09 | DustyBin | will lenny be released in 2008 or will it be 2009? |
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| 01:01.27 | azeem | cloner: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 01:01.38 | azeem | cloner: please try to be more signal and less noise in the future |
| 01:01.55 | kgoetz | DustyBin: 'when its ready' - the target was this year iirc though |
| 01:02.18 | Nyle | wow |
| 01:02.31 | Nyle | I was busy looking for a wysiwyg editor |
| 01:02.47 | Nyle | firefox has a extention called firebug, lets you edit pages live |
| 01:03.05 | Nyle | freakin awesome man, its really handy being able to see the changes while you make em |
| 01:03.33 | octox2 | nvmind |
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| 01:05.00 | jim | -awesome-! I got the k6 kernel built and it flies several 10-mile rings around that old 486 piece of crap before it gets a chance to move two inches |
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| 01:09.26 | RULON | KDE or Gnome? |
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| 01:09.58 | jim | me? |
| 01:10.31 | RULON | jim, hello |
| 01:10.35 | jim | hi |
| 01:10.47 | theLichKing | RULON: fluxbox |
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| 01:10.51 | fiftysixer | anyone know why whenever i try to make install on debian it says that the compiler cant make executible files? |
| 01:10.52 | RULON | well its a general but ofc u can answer me :D |
| 01:11.22 | theLichKing | fiftysixer: does it happen with more than one package? |
| 01:11.29 | RULON | theLichKing, fluxbox ok ill check that one out |
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| 01:11.48 | RULON | jim, what u recommend? |
| 01:11.49 | jim | not sure I understand the question... if you mean what does the k6 use as its desktop, it doesn't have anything |
| 01:11.52 | fiftysixer | theLichKing, i noticed it first when i tried to make pidgin, but kde4 did the same thing, and then i tried other packages and they all did that |
| 01:12.02 | fiftysixer | so, i guess its all packages :p |
| 01:12.15 | jim | no gnome, no kde, no display other than plain text |
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| 01:12.39 | jim | (reason... it's a gateway :) |
| 01:12.45 | deejay | hi all |
| 01:12.49 | theLichKing | jim: that gotta be boring |
| 01:12.53 | RULON | jim... then how can i open emesene or web browsers and stuff |
| 01:12.56 | jim | not at all |
| 01:13.35 | theLichKing | fiftysixer: i'm not sure, i'm not so good at compiler errors.. but why not install pidgin and kde with apt? |
| 01:13.42 | jim | RULON: when you said "gnome or kde" I assumed you meant "what does my k6 machine use" |
| 01:13.55 | distatica | I thought I remembered that wget could download a range of numbers in an url like http://example.com/file[0-10].html (file0.html, file1.html....) but when I try to do this it tries to download a file called file[0-10].html am I missing something? Am I wrong that wget can do this? |
| 01:14.01 | fiftysixer | theLichKing, they're not in the repositories |
| 01:14.10 | jim | and the answer is "it has no graphic display at all" |
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| 01:14.16 | theLichKing | fiftysixer: add repositories that have them |
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| 01:14.40 | fiftysixer | theLichKing, I cant find them |
| 01:14.52 | fiftysixer | and KDE4 is experimental anyway so i wanted to get the latest source |
| 01:15.19 | jim | (but, it does have x clients and the x client libs) |
| 01:15.23 | RULON | jim lol? :) i use xfce4, but i want to try others... i know this is the lighter but want to check them anyway, so what u recommend... kde or gnome? |
| 01:15.32 | simonrvn | I am an urban native who is Southern Iroquois (Tsalagi, "Cherokee") living on unceded, tradtional Northern Iroquois (Haudenosaunee, Six Nations Confederacy) territory with my partner, Kjika'qawej, a pow-wow drummer and singer, who is L'nu (Mi'kmaq). |
| 01:15.34 | theLichKing | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto |
| 01:15.36 | jim | neither! |
| 01:15.39 | simonrvn | damn sorry... |
| 01:15.43 | jim | :) |
| 01:15.53 | RULON | jim wich one then... |
| 01:16.00 | RULON | i cant have just the console |
| 01:16.01 | jim | fvwm |
| 01:16.08 | theLichKing | fiftysixer: i'm not on debian and i haven't used it.. but man, every damn distro has pidgin and kde in its repositories |
| 01:16.10 | fiftysixer | theLichKing, thanks, but not quite what i meant |
| 01:16.13 | theLichKing | why wouldn't this |
| 01:16.13 | jim | you cant? why? |
| 01:16.32 | jim | I ran linux without any X at all for like 3 years |
| 01:16.34 | RULON | i cant open msn, or web browser do i? |
| 01:16.42 | fiftysixer | theLichKing, i cant find pidgin in it, and i wanted to use the latest kde source anyway |
| 01:16.43 | theLichKing | jim: that gotta be boring |
| 01:17.14 | theLichKing | jim: how can you even watch pr0n? |
| 01:17.28 | jim | theLichKing: on machines connected to that one! |
| 01:17.52 | jim | theLichKing: the machine I speak of is a router |
| 01:18.07 | theLichKing | fiftysixer: dunno then, sorry i couldn't be much of help |
| 01:18.24 | fiftysixer | its ok, just means i need to keep trying :p |
| 01:19.01 | theLichKing | jim: a router with GUI.. that would be sexy |
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| 01:19.07 | jim | not really |
| 01:19.14 | jim | it's a security problem |
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| 01:19.53 | Kobaz | is there a php package that doesn't have the crappy suioshin patch? |
| 01:20.08 | jim | one you build without that patch? |
| 01:20.23 | Kobaz | yeah :( |
| 01:20.26 | theLichKing | #php might know |
| 01:20.28 | simonrvn | jim: for sure, yet more crap to deal with and fix if there's some bugs |
| 01:20.36 | Kobaz | no no, but this is a debian issue |
| 01:20.43 | simonrvn | not in debian no |
| 01:20.47 | Kobaz | the php packaged with debian has the suishin patch now |
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| 01:20.55 | Kobaz | it's crashing apache nonstop |
| 01:21.24 | simonrvn | i doubt it. mine works fine. |
| 01:21.59 | Kobaz | i would say with high certanty it's the security patch |
| 01:22.24 | Kobaz | because on other boxes with the exact same version of php and apache and all that with a compiled php (without the patch) it works fine |
| 01:22.43 | jim | Kobaz: so you've watched the code run in the debugger and found the precise problem? |
| 01:22.50 | Nyle_ | what happened to me |
| 01:22.54 | Kobaz | jim: no, i don't have time for that |
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| 01:23.38 | jim | Kobaz: ok, so did you use the same php and build two copies of php, one with and one without the patch |
| 01:23.39 | jim | ? |
| 01:23.39 | Kobaz | simple logic... a+b+c causes problems... a+c doesn't cause problems.... b is the problem |
| 01:23.45 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 01:23.59 | simonrvn | Kobaz: it's that box then. if it works on other hosts. what's different about it? start looking at the differences, and follow that track. BTW, i'm not saying there's no bug, just that i haven't had it crash on me. |
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| 01:24.23 | Kobaz | hmm |
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| 01:24.47 | jim | if you built two copies from the same source, that could be definitive |
| 01:24.56 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:25.10 | jim | but could still be related to your machine or your compiler or both only |
| 01:25.19 | Kobaz | yeah i'll have to do that next, the other box without the issue is using an older php |
| 01:25.31 | Kobaz | but i've had very similar problems on different boxes with the patch as well |
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| 01:25.37 | jim | then you haven't actually ruled out the problem |
| 01:25.56 | simonrvn | @wb Nyle |
| 01:25.59 | ravenbird | Welcome back Nyle, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chloroform. |
| 01:26.20 | Kobaz | where it would report something along the lines of suoshin "stopped execution of blah blah... seg fault" |
| 01:26.26 | simonrvn | aaah |
| 01:26.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:26.53 | simonrvn | i see those, but no SIGSEGV |
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| 01:27.07 | Kobaz | yeah, mine will cause the apache child to seg fault after the message |
| 01:27.20 | jim | Kobaz: until you build two phps from the same source (one with, the other without the patch) and test them, you have not actually determined the problem |
| 01:27.35 | Kobaz | i never said i found the exact problem, but yeah |
| 01:27.53 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 01:27.58 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 01:28.03 | Kobaz | i mean, it's definitly related to the patch... whether it's the patch specifically or some library it uses, i dont know at this point |
| 01:28.22 | jim | I'll even go as far as to say what you've done so far is inconclusive... do the builds and test them, then tell what happened |
| 01:28.29 | Kobaz | it might be triggering some bug in apache, who knows |
| 01:28.36 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 01:28.53 | jim | true. but you used the same apache in both cases, right? |
| 01:28.57 | Kobaz | i was just hoping there was a nice handy package without the suoshin thinger |
| 01:29.00 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 01:29.17 | jim | so apache is ruled out as the problem, if that's the case |
| 01:29.22 | Kobaz | yeah i would think so |
| 01:29.36 | Kobaz | and libc and everything is all the same |
| 01:29.47 | jim | which rules those out as well |
| 01:30.11 | Kobaz | off to do some building |
| 01:31.35 | jim | ttyl |
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| 01:40.25 | Ezep | How could I configure apt than when I instale some app, the fluxbox menu don't refresh? |
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| 01:40.56 | JordiGH | Apache isn't parsing my PHP files. How can I tell it to do so? I have libapache2-mod-php5 installed. I added php5.load and php5.conf symlinks to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled. I restarted apache. What else? |
| 01:41.44 | RULON | hi what this flags mean |
| 01:41.45 | RULON | i A xfce4-mixer - Xfce4 Mixer frontend |
| 01:41.45 | RULON | i A xfce4-mixer-alsa - Xfce4 Mixer ALSA backend |
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| 01:41.53 | RULON | i mean "i" and "A" |
| 01:42.39 | JordiGH | installed and available. |
| 01:42.59 | RULON | theres another "p" i wish to know what is that one |
| 01:43.15 | JordiGH | I forget who produces that output. Some dpkg command. |
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| 01:43.23 | JordiGH | Why don't you check the manpage for dpkg? |
| 01:43.30 | RULON | yeh, aptitude search |
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| 01:43.46 | RULON | man dpkg? |
| 01:43.52 | JordiGH | Oh, aptitude. |
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| 01:45.01 | JordiGH | From aptitude(8): "p, meaning that no trace of the package exists on the system". |
| 01:45.08 | JordiGH | rtfm :-) |
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| 01:46.00 | RULON | rtfm? :) whats that :D |
| 01:46.05 | JordiGH | Read The Fucking Manual |
| 01:46.07 | RULON | btw thx ;) |
| 01:46.12 | RULON | XD |
| 01:46.17 | RULON | i did XD |
| 01:46.25 | JordiGH | You didn't grep it? |
| 01:46.26 | RULON | i dont see those flags there |
| 01:46.39 | RULON | mmm sorry what :) |
| 01:46.46 | RULON | grep? im newbie |
| 01:47.15 | JordiGH | If you're rtfming from a terminal, you'll be using less. |
| 01:47.23 | JordiGH | "less" is a program |
| 01:47.38 | JordiGH | Anyways, from less, you can hit / and type a search pattern in there. |
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| 01:48.03 | JordiGH | When you type the search pattern "search", you'll be taken to the first instance of "search" in the manpage. |
| 01:48.03 | RULON | !rtfm |
| 01:48.03 | dpkg | from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 01:48.33 | JordiGH | If you want to see the other search hits, type n for each hit. |
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| 01:48.39 | Tramp | JordiGH: did you manually delete the browser cache for your testpage (or use wget for testing)? |
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| 01:49.02 | JordiGH | If you do this, after three or four hits, you'll get to the section in the aptitude manual that describes the output of aptitude's search command. |
| 01:49.29 | JordiGH | Tramp: I don't think so... My test page is Moodle. How can I check? |
| 01:50.05 | aeshyamae | hi all ,..can i make a turbo c++ program with its specific functions to work in gnu?cozz ma bro is still having that crap in his syllabus... |
| 01:50.43 | JordiGH | Tramp: Uh, wait, I misread. I thought you said I should clear some sort of cache in Apache. Let me see... |
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| 01:51.02 | Tramp | JordiGH: no. I talk about the cache of your browser |
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| 01:53.04 | JordiGH | aeshyamae: I don't understand your question. You want to use g++ to compile a program that was intended for Turbo C++? The most common compiler-specific options of Turbo C++ that are used to teach novices is conio.h, which doesn't exist in g++. |
| 01:54.07 | JordiGH | Tramp: Hm, I can't' figure out how to get Iceweasel to refresh its cache, but wget gives me an index.php, and Konqueror gives me 403. :P |
| 01:54.22 | JordiGH | The index.php looks liked parsed html, though, which means I must be on the right track. |
| 01:54.50 | JordiGH | Ah! Got it working. |
| 01:55.07 | Tramp | JordiGH: there you go. |
| 01:56.01 | JordiGH | Yeah, I cleared the whole cache. I wish I could have just cleared that one page. |
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| 02:00.02 | JordiGH | On aptitude, if I say "aptitude purge foo", will it also purge all of the dependencies or just remove them? |
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| 02:03.30 | JordiGH | Ooh, moodle looks nice. |
| 02:03.39 | JordiGH | Nicer than that Blackboard crap we're using right now. |
| 02:03.45 | JordiGH | I wonder if I could convince the admins... |
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| 02:06.09 | eth01 | how would I go about installing the latest version of apache, php and mysql? |
| 02:06.17 | eth01 | (lenny) |
| 02:06.53 | pipeline | JordiGH: doesn't take much to be nicer than blackboard |
| 02:07.12 | pipeline | JordiGH: the fun thing about blackboard is that it has, shall we say, VERY AGGRESSIVE salespeople. |
| 02:07.19 | pipeline | JordiGH: You will not convince anyone of anything :) |
| 02:07.55 | eth01 | hmmm? |
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| 02:10.03 | JordiGH | pipeline: Blackboard keeps making me lose my data. I enter grades, and if I hit the wrong button or let it time out, data is lost. |
| 02:10.07 | JordiGH | MY DATA IS MOST PRECIOUS THING! |
| 02:10.43 | JordiGH | pipeline: Maybe I can convince them to get me a job admininstrating Moodle instead of paying Blackboard license fees. :P |
| 02:11.18 | pipeline | JordiGH: I assure you that you cannot. The odds are pretty good that the relevant decision-maker's dog is locked in a cage somewhere in washington DC :P |
| 02:12.06 | JordiGH | pipeline: I heard that it was the head of school who made the decision... he might be swayed to other opinions? I'll talk to him. I'm not the only teacher pissed off with Blackboard. |
| 02:12.10 | eth01 | apt-get install apache2 php mysql, or is that too unspecific? |
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| 02:12.41 | pipeline | JordiGH: Yeah. There were BJs and animal torture involved in that sale. There always is. Do you think anyone actually LIKES the product? ;) |
| 02:13.34 | JordiGH | pipeline: Heh. I guess the head of the school does, but he doesn't use it. |
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| 02:14.08 | pipeline | JordiGH: he was persuaded by the one two punch of photos of his kidnapped dog and illegal substances dropped off en masse with his secretary |
| 02:14.20 | JordiGH | pipeline: It's the most iceweasel-unfriendly app ever. If I don't let it open pop-up windows, it tells me that I need to reconfigure my browser. If I force it to open the popup window in the current tab, it crashes. |
| 02:14.28 | GhostlyDeath | How do I +1dB my mic in linux (I use ALSA) |
| 02:15.14 | JordiGH | pipeline: I think I hate on principle anything that serves me pages that end with .asp or worse, .aspx. |
| 02:15.35 | DawnLight | hello. exim question: i've a single active router that sends all messages to a smarthost. i want all these messages that are sent through that router to be archived locally. from what i've read so far i'll need to remove the no_more from it and configure a second router after i that will do this. am i right so far? what kind of router should i use and what kind of transport? |
| 02:16.32 | Kobaz | #exim? |
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| 02:18.09 | DawnLight | no answer there |
| 02:18.21 | Kobaz | heh |
| 02:18.26 | pipeline | JordiGH: humbug. .aspx => awesome |
| 02:18.29 | abrotman | so wait .. you're likely to get a better answer there than here |
| 02:18.42 | DawnLight | i am reading the specs; it would be nice to know what i should read next |
| 02:19.10 | Kobaz | DawnLight: you may want a maildir delivery or something |
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| 02:19.19 | DawnLight | waiting for three hours |
| 02:19.28 | Kobaz | there's always the mailing list |
| 02:19.35 | DawnLight | you mean a maildir transport? |
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| 02:19.47 | JordiGH | pipeline: Did you just say that out loud in #debian? |
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| 02:20.31 | DawnLight | pretend he didn't. that's the only way to keep sane |
| 02:20.46 | pipeline | JordiGH: Yes |
| 02:21.02 | Kobaz | DawnLight: yeah i never did anything like that, but try to like, do multiple deliveries or something |
| 02:21.09 | JordiGH | pipeline: Brave lad. I'd flame you if I knew anything about that M$ crap. |
| 02:21.14 | Kobaz | DawnLight: do the regular delivery and then do a local maildir to archive |
| 02:21.39 | JordiGH | An asp is a poisonous snake, y'know. |
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| 02:21.46 | Kobaz | can you specify multople transport= options? |
| 02:22.08 | DawnLight | Kobaz: i don't know which drivers to use for spewing messages to a maildir. i think i may have to use maildrop/fetchmail |
| 02:22.42 | cloner | hi |
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| 02:22.51 | DawnLight | Kobaz: what do you mean |
| 02:23.08 | pipeline | JordiGH: http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3713/mszb5.gif |
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| 02:23.22 | holycow | if i want to grep for line breaks what ascii character am i looking for? |
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| 02:23.28 | pipeline | holycow: 0x10 |
| 02:23.36 | Kobaz | dawnlight: you don't have a sample for a maildir delivery? |
| 02:23.38 | holycow | canke |
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| 02:24.00 | holycow | danke even |
| 02:24.01 | DawnLight | Kobaz: perhaps there is in the configuration file |
| 02:24.02 | holycow | lol |
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| 02:24.40 | Kobaz | DawnLight: if not. here's mine: http://www.pastebin.ca/925520 |
| 02:25.12 | DawnLight | uuh thanks Kobaz |
| 02:25.40 | DawnLight | that is precious |
| 02:25.44 | Kobaz | now you just need to figure out how to do more than one delivery from a message |
| 02:26.10 | DawnLight | i either put two routers and use unseen on the first |
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| 02:26.30 | JordiGH | pipeline: Y'know, and that's actually the first time I spell M$ since I can remember. |
| 02:26.48 | pipeline | JordiGH: not an excuse |
| 02:26.51 | DawnLight | or... do exactly that, but with style |
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| 02:27.35 | Kobaz | DawnLight: it's hard to find good examples for exim stuff, but once you find them you can do anything |
| 02:27.44 | JordiGH | pipeline: Can you connect? http://189.141.195.134/ |
| 02:27.45 | Kobaz | i have the book, it's come in quite useful |
| 02:27.52 | DawnLight | Kobaz: once you read the specs you can do anything |
| 02:28.02 | Kobaz | DawnLight: hah yeah, but i dont have time to read 500 pages |
| 02:28.04 | pipeline | JordiGH: Yup. |
| 02:28.32 | DawnLight | read ya |
| 02:28.35 | JordiGH | pipeline: What did you see? I can't connect to it. :-) |
| 02:28.49 | JordiGH | htdig? Where's the Debian Apache placeholder page? |
| 02:28.50 | pipeline | JordiGH: index of blah |
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| 02:29.16 | pipeline | JordiGH: wouldn't it be easier to use a free proxy for this ? |
| 02:29.28 | JordiGH | pipeline: And what about same thing, but with /moodle directory? |
| 02:29.44 | JordiGH | pipeline: Eh, I'm not actually setting this up for the world to see on my laptop. |
| 02:29.47 | pipeline | JordiGH: 403 |
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| 02:29.59 | JordiGH | Right... I wonder why. |
| 02:30.37 | JordiGH | Ah, /etc/moodle/apache.conf is denying all. |
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| 02:35.47 | JordiGH | Alright that was fun. I'd better take this thing offline before someone finds a 'sploit. |
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| 02:41.08 | JordiGH | Bah, "aptitude purge" only removes and purges the package you specify on the line, not all of the dependencies. |
| 02:41.13 | JordiGH | Is there a way to purge everything? |
| 02:43.22 | icesword | what are you trying to uninstall |
| 02:44.23 | JordiGH | sudo aptitude laxative apache2 |
| 02:44.34 | JordiGH | moodle's dependencies. |
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| 02:45.00 | JordiGH | I guess... I could do it manually. Shouldn't be so hard.. |
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| 02:46.49 | emma | If I showed you guys a lap top could you show me how likely it is that Debian will run well with it? |
| 02:47.14 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 02:47.14 | dpkg | i heard laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 02:47.42 | emma | dpkg is a great name for a debian bot :) |
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| 02:49.45 | JordiGH | emma: If you're still in the position to choose, I recommend the Dellbuntu laptops. Except for a firmware blob for the wireless, all the hardware works without a hitch. |
| 02:49.48 | emma | I don't understand what is the difference between thinkpads and laptops? |
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| 02:50.07 | abrotman | a thinkpad is a laptop |
| 02:50.07 | JordiGH | emma: A Thinkpad is a kind of laptop made by Lenovo/IBM. |
| 02:50.13 | abrotman | and do not buy dell |
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| 02:50.35 | emma | Well it's not too late i haven't bought anything yet. However, I am limited in what I can spend. I need a laptop for 500 or less. (US Dollars). |
| 02:50.37 | RULON | how can i install opera browser? |
| 02:50.41 | thorat | I noticed repeated login attempts on my ssh port so I set up fail2ban. Are there any other recommendations? |
| 02:50.44 | abrotman | !tell RULON about opera |
| 02:50.51 | JordiGH | emma: Oh, mine was expensive. So never mind. |
| 02:51.04 | emma | Why get an expensive one? |
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| 02:51.09 | abrotman | emma: you're kind of stuck with whatever is on sale at bestbuy/circuitcity/frys |
| 02:51.20 | JordiGH | emma: Because I like having 4 gigs of RAM for number crunching. |
| 02:51.33 | emma | What kind of numbers are you crunching? |
| 02:51.55 | Nyle | and how are you crunching them? |
| 02:51.57 | JordiGH | emma: I solve PDEs. Mostly interested right now in geophysical fluid dynamics. |
| 02:52.03 | RULON | abrotman, is it too har to just give me the right prompt to install it :)? |
| 02:52.05 | abrotman | garlic press! |
| 02:52.06 | JordiGH | Nyle: In C++, with the GSL, and Boost. |
| 02:52.09 | emma | Oh you are great. I'm really happy to meet you! |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | RULON: it's not in debian .. so yes |
| 02:52.27 | abrotman | !tell RULON about opera apt |
| 02:52.44 | emma | JordiGH, would you mind if I pmed you very briefly? |
| 02:52.49 | JordiGH | emma: Go ahead... |
| 02:52.49 | nabet | wat uno think about dell and LINUX as there OS |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | english ? |
| 02:54.05 | RULON | abrotman, wich other web browser is good for linux, cause iceweasel is sucky :) |
| 02:54.35 | Nyle | RULON: what sucks about iceweasel |
| 02:54.44 | abrotman | RULON: you don't have a ton of options .. iceweasel (which is firefox basically) .. epiphany (still gecko based), konqueror. and opera .. a few other ones also |
| 02:55.02 | RULON | is based on firefox, and firefox sucks evry new release... |
| 02:55.37 | RULON | firefox sucks since atleast 0.8.... |
| 02:55.45 | RULON | abrotman, ok |
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| 02:57.13 | RULON | abrotman, i had gnome and xfce, now in removed gnome, but a lot of features dissapeared, ive been reading about gnome-utils, if i install that package will it need the netire gnome installatioin? |
| 02:57.25 | abrotman | it shouldn't |
| 02:57.37 | RULON | kk |
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| 03:00.37 | RULON | im getting this error when trying to add operas repository to sources |
| 03:00.39 | RULON | W: GPG error: http://deb.opera.com etch Release: Las firmas siguientes no se pudieron verificar porque su llave pública no está disponible: NO_PUBKEY 033431536A423791 |
| 03:01.13 | JordiGH | RULON: Use Emacs! |
| 03:01.19 | JordiGH | aptitude install w3m-el |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | JordiGH: knock it off |
| 03:01.28 | abrotman | !apt-key 6A423791 |
| 03:01.28 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6A423791 ; gpg --export 6A423791 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 03:01.31 | abrotman | RULON: ^^^ |
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| 03:02.18 | RULON | abrotman, all that line in a terminal right? as root also? |
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| 03:02.46 | abrotman | if you do it as root .. leave out "sudo" |
| 03:04.12 | RULON | nvm i already did it :) |
| 03:04.24 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:04.33 | RULON | i did it as root but with "sudo" line included... will that affect anything? |
| 03:04.58 | abrotman | nope |
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| 03:06.41 | RULON | how do i finish a process is not responding? |
| 03:06.58 | RULON | i installed xfce4-taskmanager but dont know how to open it |
| 03:09.52 | RULON | abrotman, are u there :) |
| 03:10.00 | abrotman | maybe |
| 03:10.06 | abrotman | i don't know what that is .. |
| 03:10.13 | abrotman | try to run it .. or see what is in it |
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| 03:10.43 | RULON | but how i run it? |
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| 03:10.55 | RULON | it doesnt appear on any of the features |
| 03:11.20 | RULON | its installed but i dont even know the directorie where it is |
| 03:11.22 | RULON | :) |
| 03:12.14 | meetmeonaholiday | dpkg -L xfce4-taskmanager | grep bin |
| 03:12.14 | dpkg | No packages found matching xfce4-taskmanager | grep bin |
| 03:12.16 | icesword | kill |
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| 03:13.09 | chrismurf | I'm making a small mod to a debian package -- is there an easy way to combine a 'diff' and a 'patch' into a single 'diff'? |
| 03:13.39 | RULON | icesword, kill? but kill what? |
| 03:14.02 | icesword | kill what to kill,pgrep it |
| 03:14.31 | kgoetz | chrismurf: pardon? |
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| 03:15.50 | chrismurf | I have a simple patch I want to apply to a package, and then I just want to re- 'debuild' it. Can I merge the patch I have into the .diff.gz which I obtain after running apt-get source? |
| 03:15.58 | RULON | icesword, i dont understand :) |
| 03:16.23 | icesword | you need to know the name of the process |
| 03:16.24 | meetmeonaholiday | xfce4-taskmanager |
| 03:16.38 | Nyle | pkill |
| 03:16.58 | RULON | wich is the name of iceweasel process? |
| 03:17.09 | kgoetz | chrismurf: yes, using debdiffs |
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| 03:17.37 | icesword | !tab |
| 03:17.37 | dpkg | it has been said that tab is part of the varndean crew, slightly slimy at times though, or a very old diet soda. tabtabtab, or what reasonably intelligent irc clients will let you use to recall the nick that most recently posted something in a channel. |
| 03:17.39 | chrismurf | kgoetz, thanks - will investigate |
| 03:17.48 | Nyle | RULON: its called firefox |
| 03:17.48 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: open a terminal and type "xfce4-taskmanager" without the quotes |
| 03:17.50 | kgoetz | chrismurf: np. |
| 03:17.58 | Nyle | RULON: dpkg -L iceweasel|grep bin |
| 03:18.02 | icesword | RULON, what you want to kill |
| 03:18.07 | kgoetz | !debdiff |
| 03:18.16 | meetmeonaholiday | that will open xfce4-taskmanager |
| 03:19.01 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, ok |
| 03:19.09 | kgoetz | !tell chrismurf about mentors |
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| 03:19.09 | RULON | icesword, iceweasel |
| 03:19.34 | icesword | killall iceweasel |
| 03:20.12 | chrismurf | kgoetz, I'm just trying to add a patch to libtiff that I obtained from the dcraw website |
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| 03:20.25 | Nyle | RULON: are you blind? |
| 03:20.34 | meetmeonaholiday | hey Nyle relax |
| 03:20.51 | Nyle | I very calmly asked him if his eyesight was ok |
| 03:20.59 | Nyle | tyvm. |
| 03:21.07 | RULON | Nyle, what? |
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| 03:21.23 | Nyle | fine don't listen to me, have fun trying to kill iceweasel |
| 03:21.44 | RULON | Nyle, wtf what are u talking about |
| 03:21.50 | acxty | Hi, I change from ubuntu 7.04 to debian etch. I got all the drivers working fine except for a sound issue. When I connect the headphones I cannot hear anything from them and the sound is still coming from the front speakers. I have a compaq c502us. On ubuntu I fix this problem adding options snd-hda-intel model=laptop to alsa-base script. Any idea on how can I fix this |
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| 03:22.15 | RULON | Nyle, men sorry i didnt saw ur line, thx i didnt knew it was called firefox |
| 03:22.49 | abrotman | acxty: do the same thing ? |
| 03:23.06 | acxty | already try, but it doesn't worki |
| 03:23.12 | acxty | *work |
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| 03:23.41 | acxty | JordiGH, what problem do you have? |
| 03:23.42 | JordiGH | acxty: I had problems with kernels below 2.6.24, like the ones shipped in etch. |
| 03:24.08 | abrotman | you mean the alsa version in etch ? |
| 03:24.09 | emma | How likely is it that this laptop will be able to run Debian without trouble -- http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8661897&productCategoryId=abcat0502001&type=product&tab=1&id=1196470790599#productdetail |
| 03:24.27 | acxty | I am using kernel 2.6.18-5-686 also try 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 03:24.53 | JordiGH | acemi: lspci | grep Audio |
| 03:24.55 | Nyle | emma: that is besides the point. Why would you buy anything from 'worst'buy, ever? |
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| 03:25.05 | JordiGH | acxty: ^^ |
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| 03:25.27 | meetmeonaholiday | hey Nyle she asked a legitimate question |
| 03:25.37 | acxty | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 03:25.37 | Nyle | as did I ;) |
| 03:26.01 | Nyle | but now we're supposed to go research the laptop's hardware and make sure it works, for someone |
| 03:26.16 | emma | Nyle -- Why not? Can you find a better value than that ? I need a laptop for basic purposes (mostly OO.org, xchat, programming, and Maxima, running rhythmbox would be a nice extra) for 500 dollars or less. |
| 03:26.29 | Nyle | emma: any compiling? |
| 03:26.31 | JordiGH | acxty: Hm, I have IC8 family. But it may be that the soundcard is too new for etch kernels. Do you remember what kernel version you were running in Ubuntu? |
| 03:26.41 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, |
| 03:26.47 | emma | Yeah probably some compiling some times but not very much. And I won't worry about speed for that. |
| 03:26.58 | meetmeonaholiday | what RULON? |
| 03:27.09 | icesword | 500usd ?that is 3800RMB |
| 03:27.17 | emma | I'm mostly teaching myself Scheme so not too much compiling. But eventually I'll learn some language that compiles like Java I guess. |
| 03:27.20 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, u know how to open the xfce4 netloadplugin? |
| 03:27.31 | JordiGH | emma: Reading SICP? |
| 03:27.33 | emma | is that bad ice? |
| 03:27.36 | acxty | 2.6.20 |
| 03:27.37 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: lemme see |
| 03:27.37 | kgoetz | compiles like java? heh |
| 03:27.41 | emma | Yeah I am reading SICP, how did you know? |
| 03:27.46 | abrotman | emma: you'd need more specs .. like the wifi chipset |
| 03:27.49 | icesword | emma, not bad,it is laptop |
| 03:28.00 | JordiGH | emma: Because that seems to be the #1 reason people learn Scheme nowadays. :P |
| 03:28.01 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, sure take ur time :) |
| 03:28.13 | emma | This one I just posted a link to it's less than 500. |
| 03:28.22 | Nyle | emma: you're good to go |
| 03:28.39 | abrotman | emma: and i'm not sure if the X3100 is supported by the intel driver or not |
| 03:28.47 | emma | Do we think that there is a healthy probability that we can get Debian to run on that machine? |
| 03:28.53 | Nyle | vesa |
| 03:28.55 | abrotman | emma: but i think it is |
| 03:29.35 | JordiGH | abrotman: It is, I'm using it, but it's blacklisted by Compiz. :-( |
| 03:29.44 | abrotman | who cares about that |
| 03:29.55 | JordiGH | abrotman: I do. Maybe emma will. |
| 03:30.14 | abrotman | JordiGH: read what emma said they were going to do with it |
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| 03:30.36 | Nyle | which is why vesa would suffice even if gfx is unsupported |
| 03:30.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: How about we ask emma instead of speculating on whether they care about Compiz or not? |
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| 03:30.46 | acxty | I think there is not to much difference on does kernels |
| 03:30.57 | Nyle | JordiGH: emma listed the needs |
| 03:31.03 | abrotman | JordiGH: or you could read what emma already stated |
| 03:31.38 | abrotman | JordiGH: i realize this is a problem for you |
| 03:31.38 | Nyle | chrismurf: dude you're one to talk |
| 03:31.38 | Nyle | you're a friggin smurf |
| 03:31.38 | Nyle | ;) |
| 03:31.43 | JordiGH | abrotman: *sigh* eye candy and decorations aren't ever going to be listed under anyone's needs because nobody *needs* Compiz. |
| 03:31.46 | Nyle | mushroom la la land ;) |
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| 03:31.56 | abrotman | JordiGH: well .. you've answered yourself |
| 03:32.17 | JordiGH | chrismurf: abrotman and I like to have our shouting matches. |
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| 03:32.58 | abrotman | emma: i don't think you'd be the first person to go to bestbuy and drop a liveCD in the laptop :) |
| 03:33.00 | JordiGH | abrotman: Just because I don't need Compiz either doesn't mean that I don't care about. Shall we keep arguing stupid semantics? I think it's important to mention a possible drawback of the card emma was considering to buy, so I did. |
| 03:33.01 | JordiGH | Now hush. |
| 03:33.02 | wd | i'm using fvwm i want to close session out completely and go to console what's command. i did ctrl alt f2 and got there but session still active on ctrl alt f7. |
| 03:33.11 | abrotman | JordiGH: go away |
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| 03:33.25 | Nyle | who woulda thought you could reboot the laptops with a live cd ! |
| 03:33.34 | emma | abrotman, wow you know that's a good idea. I never thought of that. Thanks. |
| 03:33.36 | abrotman | wd: fvwm has a logout |
| 03:33.37 | JordiGH | But yeah, abrotman's suggestion to try a livecd is probably a good one. If it work with Knoppix or Ubuntu, it has high probability of working with Debian. |
| 03:33.40 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: I'm not running xfce unfortunately and can't figure out how to do it |
| 03:33.57 | Nyle | Supaplex: :) |
| 03:33.58 | emma | Debian doesn't have a live CD? |
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| 03:34.03 | meetmeonaholiday | anyone running xfce and know how to add a panel plugin? tell RULON |
| 03:34.07 | Supaplex | emma: myth |
| 03:34.07 | abrotman | emma: now .. if you want ot use etch .. a liveCD isn't a great indicator, but probably closer to lenny |
| 03:34.09 | Nyle | emma: debian has debian based live cds |
| 03:34.15 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 03:34.15 | dpkg | livecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 03:34.15 | wd | abrotman, it does, i'm using fvwm1 with a very old laptop is it in the menu? |
| 03:34.25 | emma | Not a problem. I'm not being critical of Debian I just want to know if I should look for one or not. |
| 03:34.30 | abrotman | wd: i thought so .. i haven't used fvwm since like .. 1998 :) |
| 03:34.39 | Nyle | emma: try knoppix |
| 03:34.58 | Nyle | emma: or ubuntu, ubuntu is probably closer to debian than knoppix maybe |
| 03:35.03 | Supaplex | !debian-live |
| 03:35.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 03:35.05 | wd | abrotman, yes i know it's old but i have mac powerbook with 32meg ram so i need it lol |
| 03:35.05 | emma | I'm certainly going to switch to Debian within the next three months and ideally i could put Debian on my new laptop when I buy it. Maybe tomorrow. |
| 03:35.10 | Supaplex | dude, try *debian* |
| 03:35.11 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, well thx men np |
| 03:35.13 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: Right-click the panel > Add New Items |
| 03:35.20 | Nyle | Supaplex: but debian sucks man |
| 03:35.20 | Supaplex | they have prebuilt cd images. |
| 03:35.21 | abrotman | wd: right .. so there should be a logout |
| 03:35.27 | Nyle | Supaplex: ubuntu is soooo much better |
| 03:35.29 | Supaplex | Nyle: then gtfo of #debian :P |
| 03:35.31 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, ok im on it |
| 03:35.31 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 03:35.41 | emma | Yeah I'm using Ubuntu right now. That's what I started with. Now I want to push myself to move beyond it. |
| 03:35.45 | Nyle | Supaplex: I like to use things that suck |
| 03:35.54 | wd | abrotman, how about twm? i going exit but nada, if i do shutdown -r now, well u know. |
| 03:35.59 | Supaplex | Nyle: like windows 3.11? :P |
| 03:36.09 | Nyle | man windows 3.11 was great |
| 03:36.11 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: then add the plugin |
| 03:36.16 | abrotman | wd: the low memory WM i used was blackbox |
| 03:36.35 | Nyle | Supaplex: but ubuntu 'just works' |
| 03:36.45 | abrotman | if you want to talk about it .. go to #ubuntu |
| 03:36.53 | Guerin | Nyle: just works - so you can't |
| 03:36.59 | wd | abrotman, come on i got info from a reliable source that fvwm is like 90% liter that flux.. |
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| 03:37.06 | Nyle | Guerin: yes exactly hehe |
| 03:37.08 | Guerin | 9err, I mean - don't have to) |
| 03:37.11 | abrotman | wd: i didn't say fluxbox .. i said blackbox |
| 03:37.13 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, the thing is i dont know where the plugin is located XD |
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| 03:37.42 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: what popped up when you clicked Add New Items? |
| 03:37.58 | wd | abrotman, iknow same right? flux made off black box? well this laptop has a single mouse pad so i can't left click. |
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| 03:38.09 | wd | abrocadabro, unless i keymod huh? |
| 03:38.11 | abrotman | wd: there's a way around that .. damned if i remember |
| 03:38.22 | Nyle | modiferi key for m2/m3 |
| 03:38.31 | Nyle | same way you do it on a mac notebook + debian |
| 03:38.33 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: should have been a menu with all installed applets listed (at least from the guide I'm reading) |
| 03:38.45 | Nyle | don't know exactly how to set it up |
| 03:38.51 | abrotman | Nyle: it is a mac notebook ... |
| 03:38.56 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, something like that, lettme check it right |
| 03:39.12 | Nyle | abrotman: what did I say |
| 03:39.18 | wd | Nyle, very old.. powebook 1400c |
| 03:39.22 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: you select the one you want to add and click okay |
| 03:39.25 | Nyle | wd: I have a 3400c |
| 03:39.27 | Nyle | its ok |
| 03:39.32 | abrotman | Nyle: "same way you do it on a mac notebook + debian" .. but it is debian |
| 03:39.33 | wd | Nyle, wow alright. |
| 03:39.36 | Nyle | it wil work |
| 03:39.36 | abrotman | erm .. it is a mac notebook |
| 03:40.07 | wd | Nyle, i was told to run fvwm, i miss my fluxbox. :( |
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| 03:40.16 | Nyle | you can run fluxbox |
| 03:40.17 | wd | Nyle, is ur nubus? |
| 03:40.26 | wd | Nyle, 32mg ram.. no way. |
| 03:40.27 | abrotman | wd: you can run *box .. you just hve to do the mouse modifier button thing |
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| 03:40.38 | wd | abrotman, oh |
| 03:40.51 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: did it work? |
| 03:41.08 | RULON | theres one named "network traffic" |
| 03:41.09 | abrotman | wd: what kind of mac laptop is it ? |
| 03:41.20 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, maybe that is? |
| 03:41.20 | wd | abrotman, to use a key huh, that's why he told me to use fvwm, single mouse menu. |
| 03:41.25 | S4nD3r | Which BSD is indicated as the best in security? OpenBSD or FreeBSD? |
| 03:41.36 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: yeah. try it |
| 03:41.40 | abrotman | S4nD3r: wrong channel |
| 03:41.41 | Nyle | open |
| 03:41.42 | JordiGH | S4nD3r: Only three remote holes in 10 years! |
| 03:41.43 | Guerin | S4nD3r: openbsd is the most paranoid OS in the world. |
| 03:41.43 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: sounds right |
| 03:41.44 | wd | abrotman, powerbook 1400c 32m ram/ 166mhz |
| 03:41.49 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, its not called netloadplugin but i think that option wasnt there befor i installed the netload... :) |
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| 03:42.01 | Nyle | Guerin: a paraoid hacker is a safe hacker. |
| 03:42.08 | Guerin | S4nD3r: but if you have to ask that it's unlikely you'll have the faintest idea how to use it. |
| 03:42.10 | JordiGH | abrotman: But what about GNU/kFreeBSD? :P |
| 03:42.24 | abrotman | JordiGH: is that what he asked? NO .. shut up |
| 03:42.27 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: well they want it to sound friendly |
| 03:42.31 | S4nD3r | No. |
| 03:42.35 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, welll i did it, dont know if that is but seems like a netmonitor to me :) |
| 03:42.35 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: so is that it then? |
| 03:42.42 | wd | Nyle, ur's open firmware not nubus huh? |
| 03:42.46 | S4nD3r | This was just a question to know which is more strong in security |
| 03:42.48 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: cool |
| 03:42.50 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:42.52 | Nyle | open firmware |
| 03:42.55 | abrotman | S4nD3r: ask them .. not us |
| 03:42.56 | Nyle | and its a pos too |
| 03:43.05 | wd | Nyle, awesome. |
| 03:43.06 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
| 03:43.09 | Supaplex | I remember installing the kernel from GNU/kFreeBSD on a FreeBSD system so I could chroot install debian. :) |
| 03:43.14 | RULON | thx for the help meetmeonaholiday i can send u money if u want ^^ |
| 03:43.17 | wd | abrotman, ok |
| 03:43.24 | Nyle | S4nD3r: thats like me going to a McDonalds and asking for a fucking Tripple Whopper |
| 03:43.28 | S4nD3r | Im asking for WHO want to answer, and knows about it ! |
| 03:43.34 | Nyle | what the hell is the matter with you |
| 03:43.41 | abrotman | S4nD3r: ask #openbsd and #freebsd |
| 03:43.49 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: ha. you ever figure out how to start xfce4-taskmanager |
| 03:43.52 | Supaplex | Nyle: ask yourself ;) hehe jk |
| 03:44.08 | Nyle | i actually went to a jack in the box once, and asked for a large water with cheese, but thats besides the point |
| 03:44.28 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, yes i did, just like u said |
| 03:44.31 | Nyle | Supaplex: hey man, quit bringin me down |
| 03:44.44 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: well that was the lame way. I mean without the command line |
| 03:45.41 | RULON | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.06 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: oh so you added it as an applet? |
| 03:46.57 | RULON | meetmeonaholiday, dont know what that is, but i guess :) |
| 03:47.25 | RULON | applet is like a shortcut on the panel u mean? |
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| 03:47.38 | Nyle | no |
| 03:47.43 | Nyle | its a little tiny application |
| 03:47.48 | Nyle | hence, app'let' |
| 03:48.08 | RULON | Nyle, ok then yes |
| 03:48.27 | Nyle | RULON: I have my config backed up with my xfce from yars ago |
| 03:48.29 | Nyle | 4.2 |
| 03:48.39 | Nyle | or 4.0 i can't recall |
| 03:48.49 | Nyle | I had all sorts of applets on the panel and stuff |
| 03:48.51 | meetmeonaholiday | RULON: cool. glad you got it figured out. gotta go. later all |
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| 03:49.15 | RULON | Nyle, cool, could recommend me some applets? :) |
| 03:49.27 | Nyle | !info xfce4-goodies |
| 03:49.37 | RULON | i thing i have that already |
| 03:49.50 | dpkg | xfce4-goodies: (enhancements for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.4.2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 03:49.55 | Nyle | good stuff |
| 03:50.18 | Nyle | I like the volume control plugin, network, cpu/uptime/memory/load etc. |
| 03:50.30 | Nyle | also i like the desktop preview/pager plugin in there |
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| 03:50.44 | Nyle | I dunno add whatever you want |
| 03:50.54 | RULON | Nyle, wich is the command to install with apt-get or aptitude.. |
| 03:50.56 | Nyle | xfce4 has pretty nice documentation too |
| 03:51.03 | Nyle | aptitude is my preference |
| 03:51.09 | RULON | ithink i have it but im not sure |
| 03:51.23 | RULON | so aptitude install xfce4-goodies? |
| 03:51.24 | Nyle | AND |
| 03:51.28 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:51.35 | Nyle | and there is #xfce |
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| 03:51.49 | Nyle | that is the best resource on irc for it |
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| 03:51.52 | RULON | oh didnt knew that one :) |
| 03:51.56 | Nyle | other than debian specific packages |
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| 03:52.39 | Nyle | wha version is xfce4 now |
| 03:52.41 | Nyle | oh 4.4 |
| 03:52.52 | Nyle | I will take a look and see what its got lately |
| 03:52.58 | RULON | Nyle, how can i install the adobe flash player? |
| 03:53.04 | acxty | well guys I got a now a low sound on the headphone and a normal on the front speakers, I only get the master and pcm controls on the sound controls, muting the master also mute the headphones |
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| 03:53.16 | RULON | i downloaded the tar.gz but have no idea what to do |
| 03:53.28 | abrotman | !tell RULON about flash |
| 03:53.38 | clinton_ | What's the best method to remove all the packages brought in by a "meta-packge". Removing the meta package itself does not seem to be enough. |
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| 03:53.53 | abrotman | clinton_: did you use aptitude to install it ? |
| 03:53.59 | RULON | abrotman, is gnash already available? |
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| 03:54.08 | Nyle | RULON: untar |
| 03:54.10 | abrotman | RULON: it's not very stable |
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| 03:54.13 | clinton_ | abrotman: that's unknown |
| 03:54.16 | Nyle | RULON: tar zxf |
| 03:54.21 | abrotman | clinton_: you don't know how you instsalled your software ? |
| 03:54.28 | abrotman | !tell clinton_ about deborphan |
| 03:54.44 | RULON | Nyle, ok let me check that |
| 03:55.01 | Nyle | RULON: cd into extracted dir, run installer script or manually copy the xpm/so files to ~/.mozilla/plugins or something |
| 03:55.23 | Nyle | like ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins maybe |
| 03:55.37 | clinton_ | abrotman: I know of deborphan. I'm sure if I mention the word Ubuntu in here you'll all take your hands right off the keyboard. Anyhow, I'd like to remove some of these extra packages brought in by the default installer. I don't know if they use aptitude or apt-get, therefore, it is unknown. |
| 03:55.45 | RULON | Nyle, XD have no idea of how to do that |
| 03:55.48 | abrotman | clinton_: go to #ubuntu |
| 03:55.51 | Nyle | ubuntu |
| 03:55.59 | Nyle | utnubu |
| 03:56.03 | RULON | ^_^ |
| 03:56.07 | clinton_ | abrotman: I knew you'd say that. The people in #ubuntu don't know jack shit. |
| 03:56.09 | emma | So here's my plan... I'm going to take an Ubuntu LiveCD to best buy and run it. I'll open a terminal and do an lspci |
| 03:56.23 | Nyle | RULON: there is a debian package that will do that for you |
| 03:56.32 | Nyle | RULON: you were told about flash already |
| 03:56.32 | abrotman | clinton_: i've already told you what you need to know .. now please go to #ubuntu |
| 03:57.01 | clinton_ | abrotman: deborphan does not do the job. If this were a straight Debian installation (deep down it is) you and/or others would be more than happy to help. |
| 03:57.03 | emma | Is there a way to tell if the wifi works from the Live CD even if there is no wireless signal in the store? |
| 03:57.31 | abrotman | clinton_: you're right ... because it would be debian .. you're not running debian .. try #ubuntu or ##linux .. |
| 03:57.42 | RULON | Nyle, wich debian package is that? |
| 03:57.48 | Nyle | clinton_: you should install ubuntu |
| 03:57.50 | Nyle | er.. |
| 03:57.51 | Nyle | debian |
| 03:57.56 | Nyle | then we'll help you |
| 03:58.00 | JordiGH | emma: Yeah, gnome-network-manager should show some sign of wireless. It's highly unlikely that any Debian livecd will do wireless, though. :-/ |
| 03:58.01 | clinton_ | Nyle: I should, but it isn't my choice. |
| 03:58.15 | Nyle | clinton_: install debian or don't ask us for help on anything else |
| 03:58.17 | abrotman | clinton_: and we do not support Ubuntu here .. last warning |
| 03:58.24 | Nyle | it is very simple |
| 03:58.27 | clinton_ | Anyone in here who thinks Ubuntu doesn't hold a candle to Debian say aye. I agree, but I have no choice in the matter. |
| 03:58.30 | clinton_ | aue |
| 03:58.43 | abrotman | JordiGH: i've never used it .. couldn't say |
| 03:58.51 | clinton_ | abrotman: last warning for what? You're going to kick me for asking a Debian related question? |
| 03:58.56 | kgoetz | clinton_: thats irrelevent. what is relevent is that its not debian |
| 03:59.04 | abrotman | clinton_: you're not using debian .. |
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| 03:59.23 | Supaplex | JordiGH: you can create one to be whatever you want. afaik there are gnome, kde and xfce images. However, I've been out of that loop for a few months, so anything is possible. |
| 03:59.27 | JordiGH | clinton_: Ubuntu and Debian differ deeply in apt-get and aptitude. Probably more here than in any other part of the system. |
| 03:59.29 | clinton_ | OK, let's assume I'm using a meta-package X that brought in packages XA through XZ, what method would I use to remove packages XA - XZ? |
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| 03:59.52 | abrotman | clinton_: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. Please stay on-topic |
| 03:59.56 | emma | I like the more free-wheeling attitude of the Debian crowd here. The Ubuntu crowd is certainly a friendly bunch but the ops there act like they are your father or uncle. |
| 04:00.10 | Nyle | emma: fuck em |
| 04:00.33 | JordiGH | emma: I like the #debian crowd better, even if abrotman is in it. |
| 04:00.36 | liable | that would be kinda creepy |
| 04:00.37 | emma | It's so nice to see someone using a swear word and getting away with it. |
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| 04:00.47 | kgoetz | emma: agree |
| 04:01.06 | Nyle | get away? |
| 04:01.13 | Nyle | since when did we stop being adults? |
| 04:01.22 | kgoetz | Nyle: we didnt. this is the point |
| 04:01.23 | JordiGH | Nyle: Since the Ubuntu ops were your uncles. |
| 04:01.24 | Nyle | at least in #debian you get treated like an adult |
| 04:01.24 | abrotman | Nyle: go to #ubuntu and curse a few times .. see what happens |
| 04:01.27 | Nyle | :/ |
| 04:01.34 | JordiGH | !fuck |
| 04:01.34 | dpkg | [fuck] cool |
| 04:01.39 | JordiGH | wtf? |
| 04:02.03 | kgoetz | lol |
| 04:02.28 | emma | see I don't even really swear. But when you are so suffocating with your codes of conduct it is like being in Junior High. |
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| 04:02.54 | emma | So, I'm just saying, good on you Debian. I'm totally going to switch when I can. |
| 04:03.00 | Nyle | right |
| 04:03.05 | Nyle | yes good |
| 04:03.48 | JordiGH | Does Ubuntu have heated flamewars in their mailing lists? Some of the Debian mailing list flamewars are quite classy. |
| 04:04.01 | abrotman | JordiGH: ask them |
| 04:04.07 | holycow | why would you care? |
| 04:04.17 | JordiGH | holycow: I like drama. |
| 04:04.20 | JordiGH | :-) |
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| 04:04.38 | Nyle | zaboK |
| 04:04.39 | holycow | they are quite nazi about being family friendly |
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| 04:04.45 | holycow | frankly its disgusting |
| 04:04.48 | abrotman | jesus christ .. can we drop it already? |
| 04:04.49 | holycow | on the level of disney |
| 04:05.02 | Kobaz | Nyle: ? |
| 04:05.07 | liable | hehe |
| 04:05.20 | abrotman | !ot |
| 04:05.20 | dpkg | it has been said that ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 04:05.22 | Nyle | elbail |
| 04:05.24 | abrotman | go there and talk about it |
| 04:05.32 | holycow | oh there is a longer conversation going on here |
| 04:05.43 | Kobaz | elyN |
| 04:05.46 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 04:05.47 | Nyle | cute |
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| 04:06.16 | RULON | Nyle, wich debian package u say i going to do the extracting and installing for me? |
| 04:06.21 | Nyle | !flash |
| 04:06.21 | dpkg | well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 04:06.29 | Nyle | !adobe flash |
| 04:06.30 | dpkg | Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from backports.org or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>. |
| 04:06.32 | Kobaz | Nyle: if you were a debian package, which one would you be |
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| 04:08.46 | Nyle | RULON: hopefully you got it now |
| 04:08.55 | Nyle | shorba |
| 04:09.06 | RULON | i dont get the backports.org part |
| 04:09.12 | Nyle | RULON: dude |
| 04:09.18 | RULON | theres one command that does not work |
| 04:09.21 | Nyle | you have the flashplayer targz file |
| 04:09.22 | Nyle | ? |
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| 04:09.43 | abrotman | just tlel him about non-free already ... |
| 04:09.44 | RULON | Nyle, i dont know how to install that way |
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| 04:09.51 | Nyle | fuckin |
| 04:09.53 | Nyle | man |
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| 04:09.55 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 04:09.58 | RULON | abrotman, im reading it |
| 04:09.58 | Nyle | !dmm |
| 04:09.58 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 04:10.08 | Nyle | RULON: do this and then install it |
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| 04:10.20 | abrotman | way to freaking complex |
| 04:10.21 | abrotman | too |
| 04:10.23 | Nyle | a;sdjf;lajsd;lfajsdf |
| 04:10.30 | RULON | Nyle, ok :$ |
| 04:10.38 | Nyle | thats too long to type man |
| 04:10.49 | Nyle | try !dmm.etch |
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| 04:10.55 | Nyle | make one |
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| 04:11.35 | Daveman | Goodnight, abrotman. |
| 04:11.44 | abrotman | hi |
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| 04:12.00 | JordiGH | Hm, I rather like the decision to keep flash out of stable. The only times Iceweasel has crashed on me has been when using Adobe's plugin. |
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| 04:12.14 | Nyle | flash isnt' bad |
| 04:12.20 | Nyle | its just linux that sucks |
| 04:12.23 | Nyle | isn't that obvious |
| 04:12.28 | Nyle | heh |
| 04:12.34 | jim | so... a k7 -is- an amd64? |
| 04:12.41 | Nyle | jim: it is? |
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| 04:12.55 | thedonvaughn | jim: it can be an amd64 in 32bit |
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| 04:13.02 | jim | I'm doubtful but I don't know |
| 04:13.03 | JordiGH | Nyle: Adobe has a tendency to create ugly software. The only reason PDF gets a bad name is because of Acrobat Reader. |
| 04:13.20 | Nyle | JordiGH: oh yeah, I love pdf |
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| 04:13.57 | JordiGH | Nyle: Me too. It's a good standard, from my userland perspective. |
| 04:14.17 | jim | thedonvaughn: np; thanks... but: I'm curious what a k7 actually is as opposed to what compiler settings work with it... would you happen to know? |
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| 04:14.27 | Nyle | if you dont' know how to open a pdf file, you don't belong near a computer |
| 04:14.35 | Nyle | you should go lay down instead |
| 04:14.38 | craigevil | pdf is cool, i ahve almost 9k ebooks msot of them in pdf |
| 04:14.38 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:14.48 | jim | oh sheesh :P that's bullshit, cmon |
| 04:14.54 | Nyle | craigevil: oh nice, what you got |
| 04:14.58 | JordiGH | craigevil: Scanned books are better in djvu, btw. |
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| 04:15.05 | Nyle | djvu? |
| 04:15.37 | JordiGH | Nyle: It's a format for scanned images. It's much smaller than the same scanned book in PDF or as a bunch of compressed images. I don't know how it works, but it works nicely. |
| 04:15.45 | jim | the only reason people say crap like that is jealousy and fear... |
| 04:15.54 | Nyle | hey |
| 04:16.04 | jim | so what are you most afraid of? |
| 04:16.06 | Nyle | you know of a software that can detect text from an image? |
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| 04:16.37 | Nyle | like if you scan a page of a book, it gets scanned into text instead of image maybe |
| 04:16.42 | craigevil | Nyle: http://www.geocities.com/reverendsky/booklist.txt |
| 04:16.45 | clinton_ | abrotman: Silencing me was an abuse of your op priviledges. I'm asking an apt related question, which is hence Debian related. Why I must deal strictly with #ubuntu, who really don't know anything about the inner workings of apt, when I know you and/or others can answer the question perfectly well here in #debian. I've already tried asking there, and they don't know the answer, so I came here. Silence me, ban me, whatever. Thanks |
| 04:16.45 | clinton_ | for the disappointment in the supposedly friendliness and open-mindedness of the open source community. |
| 04:16.48 | JordiGH | abrotman, when did you get ops? I find it kinda scary that you have it. |
| 04:16.51 | Nyle | or maybe a software that can detect text from images? |
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| 04:17.11 | abrotman | clinton_: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 04:17.22 | clinton_ | abrotman: yes |
| 04:17.25 | cmanns | Whats noatime do? |
| 04:17.26 | JordiGH | clinton_: Ubuntu modifies apt heavily. Sometimes changes trickle back to Debian, but not always. It really was offtopic. |
| 04:17.49 | clinton_ | JordiGH: I agree there, but no attempt was made to try to answer my question. I was pretty much told to get lost. |
| 04:17.55 | Nyle | reverend sky? |
| 04:17.59 | abrotman | I GAVE YOU THE ANSWER |
| 04:18.00 | Nyle | what you got, jesus books? |
| 04:18.18 | Luria | does jesus do pdfs? |
| 04:18.18 | clinton_ | abrotman: deborphan does not remove packages brought in by meta-packages either in Debian or Ubuntu. |
| 04:18.23 | craigevil | lol a few but most are sci-fi fantasy books |
| 04:18.31 | jim | clinton_: but why should it be? you're expecting people to know multiple distributions like the back of their hand |
| 04:18.43 | abrotman | clinton_: last chance .. either install Debian or go back to #ubuntu |
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| 04:18.55 | clinton_ | jim: I'm trying to find out the Debian way of doing it. |
| 04:19.02 | Nyle | craigevil: hehe j/k |
| 04:19.09 | clinton_ | Listen, I prefer Debian, on this particular machine I have no choice in the matter. |
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| 04:19.24 | abrotman | clinton_: you're offtopic .. please go away |
| 04:19.30 | Nyle | seriously man |
| 04:19.31 | craigevil | why would deborphan remove metpackage depends? if you understood the way a metapackage works you would understand how silly that is |
| 04:19.35 | Nyle | just go to #ubuntu |
| 04:19.42 | JordiGH | clinton_: Every time I've used deborphan, it tries to remove almost everything that isn't essential, down to the X server. I haven't tried recently, but I find your claim strange that it's not removing anything under Debian. |
| 04:19.44 | Nyle | or fight for your right to use debian |
| 04:19.46 | Nyle | goddamit |
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| 04:19.57 | Nyle | thats all you got right now its two choices |
| 04:20.13 | Nyle | it kinda sucks, but thats life |
| 04:20.21 | clinton_ | JordiGH: I just tried the same on my home machine that is running Deborphan. it was something I tried before I even came asking for help. |
| 04:20.24 | craigevil | deborphan and autoremove at least in sid are big no-nos |
| 04:20.25 | RULON | Nyle, i installed the dmm thing finally, but what i have to do next? |
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| 04:20.29 | clinton_ | deborphan meaning debian |
| 04:20.29 | jim | so we can answer questions about your preferred os... we're not going to answer about what you're calling "this particular machine" |
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| 04:20.38 | Nyle | RULON: /msg dpkg abode flash |
| 04:20.49 | clinton_ | Alright, I get it, you're not going to help. |
| 04:20.55 | clinton_ | abrotman: you win |
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| 04:21.00 | abrotman | clinton_: thank you for respecting channel guidelines |
| 04:21.14 | abrotman | clinton_: try ##linux .. they may help if #ubuntu will not |
| 04:21.17 | abrotman | or cannot |
| 04:22.13 | simonrvn | abrotman: hey there |
| 04:22.18 | abrotman | hi simonrvn |
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| 04:22.30 | craigevil | #ubuntu is like the sea gulls Iin nemo, how how how why(mine mine ) |
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| 04:22.55 | Lurianic | #ubuntu:blind leading the blind? |
| 04:23.06 | clinton_ | craigevil: I didn't buy this craptastic dell with Ubuntu pre-installed... |
| 04:23.24 | kgoetz | guys, can the ubuntu stuff just stay out? thanks... |
| 04:23.27 | JordiGH | clinton_: aptitude doesn't list a bunch of packages it wants to remove when you do autoremove? |
| 04:23.37 | clinton_ | JordiGH: nope |
| 04:23.38 | abrotman | clinton_: seriously ... |
| 04:23.48 | clinton_ | abrotman: I'm done. really. |
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| 04:23.51 | craigevil | i was actually considering buying a dell ubuntu laptop, i figure if nothing else the hardware should work just fine with debian installed |
| 04:24.14 | JordiGH | craigevil: It does. Only non-free thing is the wireles firmware. |
| 04:24.31 | jim | Nyle: there is ocr software which does try to read characters from images... if the font of the thing you're trying to recognize is close to the font the ocr program is using, it's going to be more successful |
| 04:24.42 | JordiGH | craigevil: In particular, the media keys worked with a default Debian install under Gnome. That's a first for me. |
| 04:24.48 | jim | ocr is optical char recognition |
| 04:25.07 | abrotman | jim: ocr is optical character recognition |
| 04:25.16 | abrotman | stupid bot didn't respond |
| 04:25.33 | craigevil | cool, was considering a eepc or cloudbook but with either one i would need an external cd/dvd, and the dell is only a $100 more anyway |
| 04:25.38 | jim | <stupidbot> wut dat? |
| 04:26.04 | Supaplex | craigevil: which dell? |
| 04:26.32 | craigevil | dont remembr the model it was one of the ubuntu laptops was only $544 |
| 04:26.35 | shib | does anyone have a suggestion on a gtk or tk/tcl irc client other than xchat? |
| 04:26.42 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 04:26.46 | abrotman | shib: pidgin ? |
| 04:26.50 | abrotman | or gaim .. whatever it is |
| 04:26.54 | JordiGH | craigevil: And even with the wireless firmware, since the actual wireless is free, there's no mucking around with module-assistant; it's just an aptitude install away. |
| 04:26.56 | RULON | Nyle, in dmm.org says that flashplugin-mozilla conflicts with flashplugin-nonfree, and i have flashlugin-nonfree installed, how can i remove it? |
| 04:26.59 | Lurianic | i love the eee. it cant really be compared to other notebooks. even if they are similar in price. |
| 04:27.04 | RULON | to make a clean install again |
| 04:27.07 | abrotman | shib: apt-cache search gtk irc |
| 04:27.11 | jim | clinton_: look at the following as an attempted comparison: debian's original work goes from sid which leaks packages into testing which are bug free for awhile, and then testing becomes stable |
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| 04:27.22 | JordiGH | Doesn't the eee use non-free software? |
| 04:27.25 | craigevil | RULON: use one or the other the version of flash is the same |
| 04:27.25 | JordiGH | Like, lots of it? |
| 04:27.47 | craigevil | eee is xandros crap, probably has all kinds of weird stuff |
| 04:27.59 | jim | with ubuntu, they take debian sid, a snapshot at some point, and work on it for 6 months and release the result |
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| 04:28.05 | RULON | craigevil, flashplugin-mozilla is the one recommende for etch if im not wrong |
| 04:28.23 | JordiGH | Yeah, I was kinda annoyed that the Dellbuntu lappy had LinDVD in it. With a rudge gesture to the MPAA, I wiped that crap and installed libdvdcss. |
| 04:28.33 | RULON | craigevil, and i had some problems with some youtube videos |
| 04:28.36 | Lurianic | eee's xandros lasts as long as you want. |
| 04:28.41 | abrotman | !ot |
| 04:28.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 04:28.43 | clinton_ | jim: yup, I'm aware of that process, and I like it. |
| 04:28.52 | simonrvn | JordiGH: lindvd? |
| 04:29.04 | Lurianic | im using kubuntu atm right now. i've run debian too, fwiw |
| 04:29.05 | clinton_ | jim: I should state more specifically I like the unstable->testing->stable process |
| 04:29.11 | simonrvn | sounds windowsy *shudder* |
| 04:29.14 | JordiGH | simonrvn: probably the only way Dell could sell legal DVD playback. I don't blame Dell for that. :-/ |
| 04:29.16 | craigevil | RULON: the version of flash is the same or was the last time i checked, although i know squat concerning stable, i run sid |
| 04:29.17 | jim | clinton_: so there's not really a ubuntu that's anywhere close to debian stable in its substance |
| 04:29.22 | JordiGH | simonrvn: It was. |
| 04:29.46 | clinton_ | jim: I'd really like to remain on topic here. I'm still trying to find a solution to my question earlier. |
| 04:29.51 | jim | I'm not comparing stability here, but I am comparing content, and finding that it could be totally different |
| 04:29.55 | simonrvn | @fuck mpaa |
| 04:30.06 | simonrvn | gently? bah |
| 04:30.06 | shib | abrotman, apt-cache search irc showed lostirc and xchat... and lostirc is terrible (from initial testing) |
| 04:30.11 | clinton_ | ravenbird: I do believe that means you're the one getting fucked |
| 04:30.11 | ravenbird | clinton_: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:30.12 | JordiGH | simonrvn: The MPAA probably liked that. :-/ |
| 04:30.15 | RULON | craigevil, well howcan i uninstall it anyway |
| 04:30.30 | simonrvn | JordiGH: probably |
| 04:30.31 | craigevil | aptitude remove packagename |
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| 04:30.41 | simonrvn | -_- |
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| 04:30.54 | abrotman | shib: well .. i think you're out of options unless you want to try the gaim/pidgin IRC |
| 04:31.06 | abrotman | shib: or check freshmeat |
| 04:31.12 | shib | yeah.... |
| 04:31.19 | shib | too bad though... i wish there was some competition |
| 04:31.20 | clinton_ | abrotman: debfoster seems like a likely solution. |
| 04:31.30 | abrotman | clinton_: not really .. but you can try whatever you'd like |
| 04:31.55 | jim | clinton_: the point I'm making here is the two can be really really different, even package management can be different, and that difference comes from two sources: one being new stuff being tried in sid, and the other being the changes ubuntu folks apply to it |
| 04:32.24 | abrotman | shib: weechat maybe? if you find a decent one .. file an RFP if it's not in debian |
| 04:32.25 | daya | how to debootstrap from lenny |
| 04:32.26 | daya | I got this error debootstrap lenny mainmodule |
| 04:32.26 | daya | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/lenny |
| 04:32.28 | jim | clinton_: my final conclusion... it's going to be -really- hard for any one person to try to support both |
| 04:32.30 | craigevil | deborphan isnt going to remove depends of metapackages as long as the meta is installed |
| 04:32.53 | kgoetz | daya: backport sids |
| 04:32.54 | shib | on it abrotman |
| 04:33.15 | JordiGH | Is there a difference between apt-get clean and aptitude clean? |
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| 04:33.30 | daya | kgoetz, backport sids , I didn't get it, |
| 04:33.45 | kgoetz | !tell daya about ssb |
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| 04:34.25 | barque | Is there a Debian liveCD? |
| 04:34.37 | barque | literally Debian, not just Debian based |
| 04:35.05 | barque | that is frequently maintained etc. |
| 04:35.08 | daya | kgoetz, No such script usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/lenny, |
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| 04:35.17 | daya | kgoetz, do I have to make it manually |
| 04:35.32 | kgoetz | daya: no, you need to read what dpkg told you |
| 04:35.39 | jim | install etch and then upgrade |
| 04:35.43 | kgoetz | !tell barque about debian-live |
| 04:35.47 | simonrvn | clinton_: re: "clinton_> ravenbird: I do believe that means you're the one getting fucked" -- i do believe that would only matter if the bot was in the u.s. |
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| 04:36.07 | thedonvaughn | barque: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ - i think they have some there, and they provide the framework to make your own. but officially, i don't think debian has live cds |
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| 04:36.42 | jim | someone was playing with one last nite, no idea what it was based on |
| 04:36.53 | barque | Because new hardware is out etc., and knoppix's too old for them. |
| 04:37.01 | sheepthief | i want to build a debian live cd meself |
| 04:38.10 | Lurianic | http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
| 04:38.12 | daya | kgoetz, ok But, can't I do it from etch, |
| 04:38.34 | clinton_ | fuck this u-word machine |
| 04:38.36 | daya | kgoetz, I mean my base system is etch |
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| 04:38.48 | kgoetz | daya: and? |
| 04:38.49 | netdaemon | clinton_: i prefer sid meself :P |
| 04:38.52 | craigevil | barque: sidux is a nice livecd |
| 04:39.04 | barque | craigevil, up2date? |
| 04:39.10 | craigevil | yes |
| 04:39.14 | barque | Based on what? |
| 04:39.15 | daya | kgoetz, and I will run debootstrap lenny mainmoduel |
| 04:39.21 | barque | what distro etc. |
| 04:39.26 | thedonvaughn | barque: debian sid |
| 04:39.26 | RULON | how can i generate a list of all the programs i have installed |
| 04:39.27 | craigevil | although it is based on debian sid as of 03-02-2008 |
| 04:39.39 | clinton_ | netdaemon: :) |
| 04:39.39 | [deXter] | my disto isnt |
| 04:39.50 | [deXter] | detecting any external usb drives |
| 04:40.01 | barque | Hmm so which one to chose? sidux? or debian-live? :)... which one is more equipped? |
| 04:40.09 | netdaemon | clinton_: although i do wish adept/synaptic would listen to my apt.conf |
| 04:40.13 | [deXter] | and it doesn't show up in fstab. any idea how do I manually add the drives? |
| 04:40.20 | kgoetz | daya: i backported debootstrap |
| 04:40.28 | barque | by equipped I mean jam packed with all sorts of system recovery utils and goodies |
| 04:40.37 | Nyle | [deXter]: fdisk -l |
| 04:41.00 | daya | kgoetz, sorry backported means do I have to install debootstrap again from lenny in etch |
| 04:41.14 | kgoetz | daya: yes |
| 04:41.23 | RULON | Nyle, how can i see what packages i have installed ? |
| 04:41.25 | barque | wait sid is older than etch? |
| 04:41.30 | craigevil | barque: you can make your own debian-live cd, but sidux is pretty nice uptodate kernel and all |
| 04:41.35 | kgoetz | barque: no its not |
| 04:41.38 | clinton_ | where the hell did abrotman go? |
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| 04:41.43 | kgoetz | sid is timeless :) |
| 04:41.45 | [deXter] | Nyle: it doesn't show up in there |
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| 04:41.53 | daya | kgoetz, ok, then backported means the newer version from older on is it? |
| 04:41.53 | craigevil | sid is debian unstable its the newest there wil ever be |
| 04:41.54 | barque | is sid like the latest? |
| 04:41.56 | thedonvaughn | barque: i don't know if i'd use sidux for sys admin live cd. look into grml |
| 04:41.59 | navin | hello |
| 04:42.01 | clinton_ | barque: alwyas |
| 04:42.05 | jim | barque: sid just leaks packages |
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| 04:42.18 | Nyle | [deXter]: replugin the device and watch dmesg |
| 04:42.25 | barque | Oh so it's like, the very latest nightly build or something |
| 04:42.42 | navin | when i am opening icedove mailclient i am not getting calender, what to do for this ? |
| 04:42.46 | craigevil | yes grml, and backtrack are nice sys admin livecds |
| 04:42.51 | clinton_ | barque: it's tomorrow's build brought to you yesterday |
| 04:42.56 | barque | :D |
| 04:42.57 | navin | is any other package is available to do this |
| 04:43.13 | craigevil | icedove doesnt have a clendar, install owl |
| 04:43.17 | [deXter] | Nyle: usb 5-4: device not accepting address 5, error -110 |
| 04:43.18 | barque | So many many choices, which one to chose |
| 04:43.31 | craigevil | barque: what do you ned it for? |
| 04:43.38 | craigevil | crap i cant type tonight |
| 04:43.43 | barque | When it hits the fan |
| 04:43.44 | RULON | hi, how can i generate a list of all the programs i have installed? |
| 04:43.49 | barque | and also fun |
| 04:43.57 | barque | but the former is the more important cause |
| 04:44.21 | barque | System admin and also auditing utils |
| 04:44.38 | barque | When you've got 30 minutes remaining to the war game |
| 04:44.40 | barque | ;) |
| 04:44.46 | craigevil | i keep copies of grml, backtrack , partedmagic, ultimatebootcd, on hand |
| 04:44.51 | drlmi | RULON: dpkg -l |
| 04:44.54 | craigevil | not much they cant take care of |
| 04:45.07 | navin | when i am opening icedove mailclient i am not getting calender, what to do for this ? |
| 04:45.18 | navin | or reminder |
| 04:45.34 | [deXter] | Nyle: http://pastebin.ca/925648 |
| 04:45.39 | barque | so... grml? :o |
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| 04:46.42 | craigevil | grml= distribution for sysadmins and users of text tools (geeks!), Debian based distribution [use existing infrastructure], so i would say yes |
| 04:47.09 | barque | grml it is! |
| 04:47.25 | RULON | drlmi, thx :) |
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| 04:49.10 | eldereko | hey I just did a clean install of debian using LVM and my first boot I am getting "volume group 'VolumeName' not found"... does anyone know why this would happen?? |
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| 04:50.51 | barque | ok thanks folks! |
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| 04:53.18 | navin | when i am opening icedove mailclient i am not getting calender, what to do for this ? |
| 04:53.25 | Supaplex | eldereko: not unless you can retrace your steps. |
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| 04:54.48 | jim | eldereko:seems like support for one part or another of lvm is missing or uninstalled |
| 04:55.16 | RULON | what i have to do to plug my usb headsets to work without having to boot debian with them previously connected |
| 04:55.26 | jim | eldereko: how exactly do you install it |
| 04:55.31 | Supaplex | eldereko: #debian-boot might be able to help you figure it out from the install log and <rescue> |
| 04:55.36 | Supaplex | !tell eldereko -about rescue |
| 04:55.36 | jim | using what media |
| 04:56.00 | jim | do you use lilo or grub |
| 04:56.00 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 04:56.01 | Supaplex | eldereko: did you install etch? testing/lenny? something else? |
| 04:56.06 | Haris1 | what package is the linux kernel code? |
| 04:56.07 | jim | people? here?? |
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| 04:56.13 | Haris1 | linux-image, linux-headers ? |
| 04:56.19 | jim | linux-source-version |
| 04:56.22 | RULON | jim, what i have to do to plug my usb headsets to work without having to boot debian with them previously connected |
| 04:56.36 | jim | why? |
| 04:56.50 | jim | what happens if you don't? |
| 04:57.12 | RULON | system recongnizes the headset but they dont sound |
| 04:57.23 | jim | Haris1: what exactly are you trying to do |
| 04:58.32 | RULON | i feel ignored |
| 04:58.54 | jim | RULON: so if that happens, is there anything you can do to get em going? |
| 04:59.10 | eldereko | Supaplex: I did a pretty basic install... brand new system, did the 'guided partitionings using all files on one partition using lvm'... no customized partitions... everything installed fine and rebooted and then I get "mounting root filesystem... volume group 'xxx' not found... waiting for root filesystem.... check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline" |
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| 04:59.28 | navin | when i am opening icedove mailclient i am not getting calender, what to do for this ? |
| 04:59.53 | jim | RULON: if people don't know answer to your question... prefer you silence? or prefer you get 800 copies of "I DUNNO!!" |
| 05:00.05 | netdaemon | navin: install iceowl |
| 05:00.16 | craigevil | navin: icedove does not have a calendar, install iceowl |
| 05:00.37 | RULON | jim no well i actually dont know too much, but i selected them as default and the still dont sound they only work if theyre connected before i run debian |
| 05:01.09 | navin | netdaemon, just installing the iceowl will solve the solution |
| 05:01.11 | jim | RULON: I'd look at the logs and compare what happens |
| 05:01.23 | navin | netdaemon, or anything need |
| 05:01.30 | netdaemon | not that i'm aware of navin |
| 05:01.33 | eldereko | Supaplex: oh and it is Etch |
| 05:01.33 | RULON | jim, i prefer u telling me u cant help me on that, that u dont know, or that ure too busy to help me instead of just waiting the lines passing and noon answering me without even knowing if they readed what i said |
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| 05:02.32 | jim | RULON: but you didn't address anyone in particular... (aside from which that's actually the right thing to do... addressing someone in particular is against channel policy) |
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| 05:03.06 | jescis | hello all |
| 05:03.15 | Xcerca | hey |
| 05:03.19 | jim | the other part of that, is you shouldn't assume that any one person here is your assigned support person |
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| 05:03.27 | RULON | jim, i put ur name on almost every sentence :D |
| 05:03.50 | Supaplex | eldereko: follow the instructions dpkg gave you about <rescue> to see if you can remedy the issue. I'm pretty sure #debian-boot would be intrested in a bug report with your log. they handle the installer, so it's a good place to ask. (they can take some time replying. just be patient) |
| 05:04.10 | jim | it's time for you to do some of the work tho. |
| 05:04.10 | jescis | is debian better then ubuntu, in your opinion? |
| 05:04.24 | amphi | jescis: look at the channel name ;) |
| 05:04.26 | jim | is debian better then ubuntu, in YOUR opinion? |
| 05:04.29 | Supaplex | jescis: that's a loaded question here. |
| 05:04.36 | amphi | jescis: also, what do you mean by 'better'? |
| 05:04.39 | Supaplex | !tell jescis -about why debian |
| 05:04.42 | craigevil | debian is better than chocolate |
| 05:04.57 | jim | debian is much worse than chocolate! |
| 05:05.13 | xiaog | debian is |
| 05:05.19 | xiaog | debian is chocolate! |
| 05:05.20 | jescis | can I have compiz-fusion and go watch youtube vids |
| 05:05.23 | jim | especially chocolate chip cookies and chocolate icecream |
| 05:05.41 | craigevil | well my tux droid worked with no issues on debian so it rocks |
| 05:05.49 | jim | compiz isn't actually in debian, you have to build it |
| 05:06.28 | jescis | ah |
| 05:06.31 | jescis | but they have deb files of it :\ |
| 05:06.33 | amphi | jescis: it's in testing, I believe; there are also unofficial debian packages |
| 05:06.42 | jim | "they"? |
| 05:06.43 | netdaemon | also in sid |
| 05:07.10 | Xcerca | I'm getting the message "unknown video mode 317 press <enter> to see available modes or <space> to continue" , i press space and then ...Uncompressing Linux... and everything works fine. anybody know where i can change this video mode on start so that i don't have to do this ? |
| 05:07.26 | jescis | they == ubuntu |
| 05:07.32 | Supaplex | Xcerca: lilo/grub vga= cmdline |
| 05:07.32 | jim | if -debian- puts out the compiz .debs, I stand corrected... but if someone else does, that's different |
| 05:07.40 | Supaplex | !compiz |
| 05:07.40 | dpkg | it has been said that compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 05:08.01 | craigevil | compiz is in sid and works |
| 05:08.13 | Xcerca | Supaplex thx |
| 05:08.29 | Supaplex | np |
| 05:08.42 | jescis | yeah thanks |
| 05:09.07 | jim | but it's not in etch (the current stable branch) |
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| 05:10.01 | jescis | someone in videolans channel said he uses debian |
| 05:10.21 | Supaplex | apt-cache policy compiz disagrees, jim |
| 05:10.33 | Supaplex | !+info compiz etch |
| 05:10.34 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 05:11.11 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 05:11.33 | amphi | 0.2... |
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| 05:12.38 | jescis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.53 | jim | for? |
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| 05:13.43 | Xcerca | Does anyone know why i might be able to boot into debian when only my debian HDD is enabled in BIOS , but when my Windows HDD is also enabled i can only get to the loading screen after GRUB ? |
| 05:13.45 | jim | point is... lots of things work well |
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| 05:14.19 | Supaplex | jescis: flash is non-free, so that's just dubios in of itself. gnash is still alpha. I built a backport last week of it, and it's not playing youtube in any useable state. other simple ad-like flash objects seem to work okay. |
| 05:14.29 | jim | Xcerca: debian hdd is which one? |
| 05:14.32 | jescis | for I have solaris 10 currently and I can't figure how to access my partitions with my videos and music |
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| 05:15.20 | Supaplex | jescis: hah. i'm a solaris noob, so good luck with that. |
| 05:15.36 | Xcerca | jim the debain hdd is SATA Ch 3 (the partion is /mtn/sda3 ) windows is on SATA Ch 1 |
| 05:15.36 | jescis | I'm with you |
| 05:16.26 | Xcerca | i'm thinking that when i enable my other hdd the drive names change and GRUB cant find debian.. |
| 05:16.27 | Supaplex | Xcerca: explain this drive enabling business you speak of wrt the bios |
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| 05:16.33 | Cybermatt | jescis, Debian Testing makes an excellent desktop |
| 05:17.15 | jescis | and I wondered if the true debian would or wouldn't do what ubuntu did when I tried to goto youtube |
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| 05:17.35 | jescis | freeze everything |
| 05:17.38 | Cybermatt | what did it do |
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| 05:18.03 | amphi | jescis: never has here |
| 05:18.07 | Supaplex | jescis: welcome to non-free software. (flash). ask adobe why their product is so craptacular >:) |
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| 05:18.33 | Xcerca | Supaplex , debian was freezing at the boot screen so i went to the bios and just disabled the sata channel that it was connected to while troublshooting... when i did and just booted with only the debian drive it came right up |
| 05:18.40 | Cybermatt | jescis, thats likely a flashplugin-nonfree bug |
| 05:18.55 | amphi | switching to a 64bit machine was a good excuse vto abandon flash |
| 05:18.59 | Xcerca | disabled the sata chan for the windows hdd i mean |
| 05:19.17 | jescis | I have 2GB of ram and three HDDs |
| 05:19.26 | pinto3 | is there a 3d nvidia free driver? |
| 05:19.36 | Cybermatt | nethier Ubuntu or Debian are at fault |
| 05:19.47 | amphi | pinto3: there's nouveau, but it's not there yet |
| 05:19.52 | amphi | !nouveau |
| 05:19.52 | dpkg | Nouveau : Open Source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ |
| 05:19.53 | Supaplex | Xcerca: <rescue> seems to be todays theme. with all drives enabled, can the debian-installer see all the drives? |
| 05:20.02 | Supaplex | !tell Xcerca -about rescue |
| 05:20.26 | Cybermatt | although Debian is faster then Ubuntu |
| 05:20.31 | Xcerca | i'll take a look , thanks |
| 05:20.38 | Supaplex | Cybermatt: you mean 'than' |
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| 05:20.52 | Cybermatt | than |
| 05:21.09 | jescis | hhmmm, faster is always good |
| 05:21.27 | Cybermatt | Supaplex, friends with vorlan are you? |
| 05:21.31 | Xcerca | brb |
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| 05:21.54 | Supaplex | Cybermatt: no. I use to make that mistake all the time :) |
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| 05:22.24 | Supaplex | I won't correct you again on then vs than, so *meh*. just fyi mostly. |
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| 05:22.54 | jescis | which I'm downloading |
| 05:23.01 | Cybermatt | jescis, Etch or Lenny |
| 05:23.13 | oobajas | I installed postgresql-8.1 with aptitude. I notice that "createdb test" and subsequently "psql test" launches 7.4.17. How do I configure it to use postgres 8.1 by default? |
| 05:23.22 | Cybermatt | ? |
| 05:23.47 | jescis | I'm dling from the mirror site |
| 05:24.15 | Cybermatt | which version are you using though |
| 05:24.16 | jescis | here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 05:26.10 | jescis | I couldn't use my ethernet connections during install from usb stick, so I'm dling the isos |
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| 05:29.34 | jescis | debian 4.0 r3 is tyhat what you meant? |
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| 05:29.36 | Supaplex | oobajas: do you have both installed? |
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| 05:30.02 | jescis | that* |
| 05:30.20 | amphi | jescis: that's stable; you might prefer the testing branch |
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| 05:31.05 | Supaplex | jescis: are you downloding netinst? |
| 05:32.36 | jescis | not right now |
| 05:33.16 | jescis | I followed the instructions on using the usb stick |
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| 05:34.14 | jescis | and when it booted up, it couldn't find my ethernet ports |
| 05:34.45 | jim | jescis: but.. it booted |
| 05:34.58 | jescis | yes |
| 05:35.20 | jim | so this was an installer that you booted from the usb stick? |
| 05:35.27 | jescis | but it asked for iso files |
| 05:35.40 | jescis | yes |
| 05:36.08 | jim | and were you able to successfully install debian's base from it, onto your hd? |
| 05:36.21 | Supaplex | are these iso files before or after the first boot? |
| 05:36.53 | jescis | no, it couldn't find an ethernet port so it asked for an iso |
| 05:37.19 | amphi | jescis: what ethernet card is in there? |
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| 05:37.36 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 05:37.40 | jim | so let me just make sure of one thing: you want to try debian now? |
| 05:38.05 | jescis | I tried every option that was to be productive that trhe installer had |
| 05:38.16 | jescis | yes |
| 05:38.33 | jim | ok... how large was the image you used? |
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| 05:39.03 | jescis | my usb stick is 512MB |
| 05:39.17 | jim | ok, and how big was the image you wrote to it? |
| 05:39.23 | jescis | and... |
| 05:39.45 | Supaplex | time's up ;) |
| 05:40.08 | jim | also there are some other questions to you, including do you know what the ethernet port's chipset is |
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| 05:40.58 | Supaplex | eg, lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 05:41.44 | jescis | I have rhine II and an intel pro Something(forgets) |
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| 05:42.28 | jescis | intel(R) PRO/100B |
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| 05:42.56 | Supaplex | that should be the e100 driver |
| 05:43.07 | jescis | I bought the latter because of solaris |
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| 05:43.45 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 05:43.53 | lol3izer__ | is there such a thing as forward ports? |
| 05:44.00 | Haris1 | I'm having a severe problem with the number of connections this box can handle |
| 05:44.05 | Haris1 | How can I check and change the max? |
| 05:44.10 | lol3izer__ | or does anyone know anything about setting up a socks server on debian |
| 05:44.11 | jim | all my ports are backwards |
| 05:44.11 | Haris1 | do I need to rebuild the kernel for it? |
| 05:44.56 | Haris1 | I think aptitude just downloaded linux-source-2.6.18 and didn't setup the source |
| 05:45.03 | Supaplex | jescis: I understand that. :) My nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet [10de:03ef] is crap (see bts 455195), the Agere Systems ET-131x PCI-E Ethernet Controller [11c1:ed00] (rev 02) has a beta driver that I'm unable to compile, so I stick with the Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 Ethernet Pro 100 [8086:1229] (rev 08) which does me good. :) |
| 05:45.05 | lol3izer__ | because hpsockd fails terribly |
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| 05:45.40 | Supaplex | lol3izer__: port forwarding? nat? dnat+snat? iptables? |
| 05:45.44 | Supaplex | !tell lol3izer__ -about search |
| 05:45.48 | lol3izer__ | no, i want a socks server |
| 05:46.08 | jescis | thank God therte are people in the same boat some times ;) |
| 05:46.30 | Supaplex | p socks4-server - SOCKS4 server for proxying IP-based services over a firewall |
| 05:46.46 | lol3izer__ | the default configuration errors out |
| 05:46.49 | lol3izer__ | and hpsockd is so crappy it wont tell you whats accually WRONG |
| 05:46.57 | lol3izer__ | just syntax error -_- |
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| 05:47.12 | Phusion | lol3izer, if you want a real easy one |
| 05:47.14 | Phusion | get dante |
| 05:47.38 | Supaplex | his sock puppet died. |
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| 05:47.43 | Phusion | hah |
| 05:47.50 | icedtea | why wouldn't I have job control on ttyS0? |
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| 05:50.10 | jescis | should I get all four of the iso files, or just one? |
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| 05:50.46 | jim | jescis: I'd just get the netinstall one for your machine... which is what exactly? |
| 05:50.48 | jescis | from: Index of /cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd |
| 05:51.08 | jescis | i386 |
| 05:52.25 | jescis | actually, it's an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ ~1200MHz |
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| 05:54.36 | N0Lif3 | Do you guys know if there is a music player for the console? Just for fun, I want one for my headless Debian server. It'd be sweet if I could start some music on it via ssh. |
| 05:54.41 | jescis | which netinst iso file? all of them? |
| 05:55.09 | jescis | xmms does N0Lif3 |
| 05:55.39 | jescis | afaik |
| 05:56.03 | Supaplex | N0Lif3: xmms2 does |
| 05:56.03 | lol3izer | N0Lif3, look into mpd |
| 05:56.08 | lol3izer | music player daemon |
| 05:56.19 | lol3izer | although xmms2 is a decent choice aswell |
| 05:56.26 | lol3izer | both can be controlled remotely |
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| 05:56.31 | jim | are you running a linux on that machine now? |
| 05:56.51 | jescis | me? not right now |
| 05:56.57 | jim | ok |
| 05:57.04 | N0Lif3 | yes, my server is up and running. Although, I'm chatting with you on my mac, atm. |
| 05:57.14 | amphi | N0Lif3: moc |
| 05:57.22 | jescis | I'm using irssi under windoze |
| 05:57.25 | Guerin | N0Lif3: cplay is the ultimate |
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| 05:57.46 | jim | as ultimate as the c |
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| 05:57.59 | Guerin | cplay can play anything you can decode to a wave file |
| 05:58.07 | Guerin | no other player can readily do so |
| 05:58.27 | jescis | I have a dual boot and want to keep it like that ;) |
| 05:58.34 | N0Lif3 | According to aptitude search, cplay is a front-end. Do you guys mean "opencubicplayer?" Because that's a result that showed up |
| 05:58.49 | Guerin | no |
| 05:59.06 | Guerin | cplay IS a front-end, to a whole lot of command line programs which decode shit for you |
| 05:59.29 | Guerin | that's the point of it - it has a config file with a whole lot of commands in it and automagically selects the right player |
| 05:59.43 | Guerin | you can edit it to your liking, or now |
| 05:59.46 | Guerin | not |
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| 06:00.25 | N0Lif3 | fyi, my debian server has no graphical interface. its all command line for me |
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| 06:00.39 | Guerin | i got that the first time |
| 06:00.47 | Guerin | i refuse to use any x-based player |
| 06:00.47 | N0Lif3 | ok, just making sure |
| 06:01.02 | Guerin | never know when I might have to kill x, and i don't want my choons to die with it |
| 06:01.13 | netdaemon | lol, hard core command line ppls |
| 06:01.37 | jescis | they're the best!!! |
| 06:01.47 | harmonicphotoche | command line rules! |
| 06:02.02 | jescis | totally |
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| 06:02.25 | netdaemon | lol |
| 06:02.25 | N0Lif3 | btw. irssi ftw |
| 06:02.42 | netdaemon | weechat =( |
| 06:03.38 | jescis | irssi is also the best!! |
| 06:03.58 | Supaplex | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 06:04.08 | ceekay | i am attempting to use php5-ldap 5.2.5 on debian lenny system and my ssl binds appear to be failing, not sure if this is a library bug, a missing dependency, or what, as the connection fails during the tls->ssl encrypted handshake phase... anyone know where i might find some help? |
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| 06:04.23 | jescis | I've used it ever since I saw it in synaptic |
| 06:04.39 | netdaemon | rofl |
| 06:04.49 | netdaemon | no aptitude for j00! |
| 06:04.58 | netdaemon | aptitude > synaptic |
| 06:05.06 | netdaemon | synaptic ignores my apt.conf |
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| 06:05.23 | N0Lif3 | my apt-get has super cow powers. |
| 06:05.31 | N0Lif3 | What about your synaptic? |
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| 06:05.49 | netdaemon | aptitude > apt-get ;) |
| 06:05.49 | Y-Town | super cow LOL |
| 06:05.50 | jescis | I'm moving from ubuntu(not installed) to debian |
| 06:06.08 | Y-Town | jescis: thats why im here too :o) |
| 06:06.10 | wakrelmix | i have this issue where if i execute /etc/init.d/nginx restart, i get almost a complete echo of my prompt back on the next console line. checked the init.d to see if there was verbage in the file, is clean. how can i fix this? |
| 06:06.34 | jescis | cool Y-Town |
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| 06:07.02 | jescis | I have the ubuntu 7.10 dvd |
| 06:07.18 | harmonicphotoche | jescis, have you tried any Knoppix? |
| 06:07.21 | jescis | but I really don't want it |
| 06:07.26 | Supaplex | wakrelmix: see bugs.debian.org/nginx |
| 06:07.39 | wakrelmix | Supaplex: cheers |
| 06:07.43 | jescis | knot really |
| 06:07.44 | Supaplex | wakrelmix: if there's nothing there, consider reportbug |
| 06:07.47 | jescis | ;) |
| 06:08.02 | wakrelmix | ok, will do |
| 06:08.19 | harmonicphotoche | knoppix is debian from a bootable cd.. |
| 06:08.33 | N0Lif3 | cplay is telling me "Player not found" when I try to start an mp3. I installed xmms. Where do I go to configure cplay to use it? The man file didn't tell me |
| 06:08.47 | jescis | but I don't have blanks atm |
| 06:08.56 | wakrelmix | Supaplex: i installed nginx using source |
| 06:09.07 | Y-Town | harmonicphotoche: thanks for the good info |
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| 06:09.47 | clusty | hey |
| 06:09.48 | Y-Town | I just downloaded the debian with KDE |
| 06:10.17 | Y-Town | Knoppix would be a great start though |
| 06:10.19 | harmonicphotoche | damnsmalllinux has a debian iso that fits on usb drives.. |
| 06:10.24 | jescis | I'm waiting on the netinst iso to finish |
| 06:10.37 | clusty | currently my ext storage has 10GB allocated just for root. how can I reserve 0GB for root? |
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| 06:12.32 | Y-Town | harmonicphotoche: I am curently on Kubuntu, but seems to me they still got some work to do. I was also looking at Mepis and it looks good as well |
| 06:12.43 | jim | root has to have something, 0 is not feasable |
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| 06:13.18 | Supaplex | clusty: tune2fs |
| 06:13.30 | jim | oh I see |
| 06:13.35 | clusty | Supaplex, thanks |
| 06:13.40 | clusty | Supaplex, nice nick :D |
| 06:14.12 | Supaplex | clusty: be aware, somethings are hard to fix if root runs out of space. so try 1gb reserved at least :) |
| 06:14.20 | Supaplex | s/some/some / |
| 06:14.28 | clusty | Luria, they will lynch you for mentioning this |
| 06:14.40 | clusty | Supaplex, even if its ext drive? |
| 06:15.30 | Y-Town | clusty: dont lynch him to bad... atleast he wasnt talking about RPM's |
| 06:15.32 | Supaplex | clusty: if it's for the root filesystem, yes. the type of filesystem is less important if you're out of space. eg, /var/log/ can run you out in some situations. |
| 06:15.40 | Luria | clusty, meh. bring it. |
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| 06:16.13 | clusty | Supaplex, alternative solution: i let group users do whatever they wish with the reserved space |
| 06:16.37 | clusty | Luria, what should I bring? |
| 06:16.39 | Luria | snap. it's been brought. |
| 06:16.39 | clusty | salads? |
| 06:16.45 | Luria | "it." |
| 06:16.49 | clusty | :D |
| 06:17.00 | jescis | FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT |
| 06:17.38 | clusty | and i would bring anything for you, but won't bring "that" |
| 06:17.38 | clusty | :D |
| 06:17.48 | Luria | actually, it's really kde and debs that i like. |
| 06:18.15 | Luria | hence, kubuntu or debian+kde |
| 06:18.33 | Luria | with compiz for the flava |
| 06:18.38 | Luria | :-) |
| 06:18.52 | netdaemon | eh |
| 06:18.58 | netdaemon | kwins compositing is enough for me |
| 06:19.12 | jescis | I don't personally care what windowing environment I run as long as it does it's job good |
| 06:19.14 | Luria | compiz could be more stable though. |
| 06:19.28 | clusty | i installed yesterday kde after a long time |
| 06:19.35 | Luria | its more that some of the apps i like are kde core based |
| 06:19.40 | clusty | realized I like gnome too much and reverted instantly |
| 06:19.50 | clusty | reminded me too much of windows :( |
| 06:19.52 | Luria | kmail, ktorrent, and rosegarden, mostly |
| 06:20.11 | Luria | i actually like w2k interface |
| 06:20.27 | Luria | (and you thought the kubuntu comment would get me in trouble) |
| 06:20.46 | jescis | Luria: :o windoze lover |
| 06:20.53 | netdaemon | something about gnome always makes me mad, i can never place my finger on it |
| 06:20.54 | jescis | ;) |
| 06:21.22 | cahoot | try a toe? |
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| 06:21.39 | netdaemon | haha |
| 06:21.46 | netdaemon | i think its because i don't like gconf |
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| 06:21.54 | netdaemon | i don't think things should be that hidden :P |
| 06:22.08 | Luria | jescis, somehow, insults based on intentional misspellings dont quite sting. |
| 06:22.31 | jescis | linus torvalds made a patch for it too |
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| 06:22.47 | Luria | netdaemon, dont like the linux equivalent of the registry? |
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| 06:23.15 | jescis | I wasn't serius |
| 06:23.32 | netdaemon | Luria: i don't think users should be treated as stupid, thats for sure |
| 06:23.37 | netdaemon | nothing should be "hidden" |
| 06:23.37 | jescis | for the record |
| 06:24.04 | Luria | netdaemon, that one of my problems with *buntu |
| 06:24.40 | netdaemon | right now i'm using deb sid + kde |
| 06:25.57 | clusty | Luria, damn, i missed the part where they bash you |
| 06:26.01 | netdaemon | nothings hidden, with the polyester qt theme it looks nice |
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| 06:26.14 | netdaemon | and no fricken oversized dialogue buttons |
| 06:26.18 | netdaemon | waste of space |
| 06:26.23 | Luria | didnt happen; i made too much sense. |
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| 06:26.50 | Supaplex | how lame. checking build system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-pc-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-pc' not recognized |
| 06:26.56 | harmonicphotoche | bash is my favorite shell.. |
| 06:27.09 | Luria | harmonicphotoche, tried zsh? |
| 06:27.21 | clusty | any good? |
| 06:27.26 | Luria | oh yeah |
| 06:27.30 | jescis | how about c shell? |
| 06:27.32 | clusty | does it animate colors? |
| 06:27.35 | harmonicphotoche | no.. not yet |
| 06:27.56 | clusty | all rainbow colours, each letter diff colour? |
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| 06:28.04 | Supaplex | wth?! |
| 06:28.06 | clusty | :D |
| 06:28.14 | Luria | bash is great because of scripts and universality |
| 06:28.34 | netdaemon | if you want strict universatility, dash |
| 06:28.35 | netdaemon | :P |
| 06:28.44 | jescis | lol |
| 06:29.13 | Luria | but zsh makes command line work so quick |
| 06:29.19 | Supaplex | beats using postscript ;) |
| 06:29.41 | jescis | hehehe |
| 06:29.44 | Luria | ugh |
| 06:30.09 | harmonicphotoche | i like the double-tab completions and using arrow keys for command history.. |
| 06:31.15 | jescis | c shell would use c though |
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| 06:32.13 | Luria | zsh's tab completion is better than bash's |
| 06:32.21 | jescis | right? |
| 06:32.26 | harmonicphotoche | zsh sounds good |
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| 06:33.22 | Luria | to be clear, i usually use bash, but i appreciate zsh |
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| 06:35.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 06:36.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | As of yesterday, for reasons beyond me, my touchpad has stopped working |
| 06:36.39 | jim | underwhatos? |
| 06:36.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | ... |
| 06:36.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Look at the channel name |
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| 06:37.07 | jim | do you have other oses on that machine? |
| 06:37.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nope |
| 06:37.36 | harmonicphotoche | did you install anything yesterday? |
| 06:37.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm.. I think I did an apt-get upgrade, actually. |
| 06:38.15 | jim | was it working before the uupgraid? |
| 06:38.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes, but I'm not sure if it stopped right after the upgrade or whatever... |
| 06:38.53 | harmonicphotoche | sometimes upgrade will do that.. |
| 06:39.02 | harmonicphotoche | sux |
| 06:39.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | yeah |
| 06:39.23 | jim | could it have been working after the upgrade and before a reboot? |
| 06:40.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | jim: I just tried that |
| 06:40.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | I mean, I just tried rebooting |
| 06:41.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'll paste my dpkg.log, can anyone tell me if any packages related to touchpads were affected? |
| 06:41.37 | jim | do you have a different kernel as a result of the upgrade? |
| 06:41.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://pastebin.ca/925738 |
| 06:42.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | jim: No |
| 06:42.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | jim: I'm sure I would've noticed if I did, because it always kills both the nVidia blob and the wireless networking. |
| 06:43.08 | jim | meaning you have to arrange for modules to be built to support those two things? |
| 06:43.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yup |
| 06:43.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Actually, as of 2.6.24, the wireless more or less takes care of itself, but not the nVidia X driver |
| 06:44.00 | jim | what else did you do besides the upgrade? |
| 06:44.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | uh.. good question.. |
| 06:44.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nothing much, I think. |
| 06:44.42 | jim | need, what they call on the family feud... good answer! |
| 06:45.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | ? |
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| 06:45.59 | xlt | survey said.... BAMMMMMM 54, THE NUMBER ONE ANSWER |
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| 06:46.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Would pasting my dmesg give any clues? |
| 06:47.06 | xlt | ok Sarah, what month is the most popular for love... <host> kissing, fondling, hand in her bra, grinding her at the sametime... <host> we need an answer |
| 06:47.17 | jim | here's where we're at... your touch pad failed, and there's this really large thing that happened, and it could be that a little piece of that (which piece, we don't know) could have been the cause |
| 06:47.51 | jim | could be, yes. |
| 06:48.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, I'll paste it.. |
| 06:48.18 | harmonicphotoche | from the dpkg.log i would guess sysv-rc ... but i forget what the alternative is.. |
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| 06:48.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://pastebin.ca/925741 |
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| 06:51.05 | harmonicphotoche | install file-rc with apt.. & it replaces sysv-rc.. you can always go back to sysv-rc again if you want |
| 06:51.42 | netdaemon | how do i enable suspend in kde's logout menu? |
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| 06:52.15 | harmonicphotoche | suspend is an acpi |
| 06:53.34 | netdaemon | suspend works fine on this machine, with pm-utils at least |
| 06:53.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | harmonicphotoche: file-rc? |
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| 06:53.54 | netdaemon | i can right click kpowersave and suspend to ram from that too |
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| 06:54.01 | netdaemon | i'm wondering how to get it in my logout menu |
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| 07:00.09 | ftp3 | anyone know if adaptec raid cards will work out of the box with debian 4 x64? I do not want to install any custom drivers, etc... ? |
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| 07:01.30 | niru | I have pdf file |
| 07:01.30 | jim | ftp3: it's a matter of the kernel, no matter which dist you install. |
| 07:01.48 | niru | I am unable to see the font in it using adobe acrobat reader |
| 07:01.56 | niru | it opens well in evince document viewer |
| 07:02.17 | niru | in adobe reader8 it shows timenewromanPSMT font not available |
| 07:02.21 | jim | then use evince document viewer :) |
| 07:02.21 | niru | how can I make that work |
| 07:02.32 | jim | by using evince document viewer :) |
| 07:02.44 | niru | jim, I want to how to make it work using acrobat reader |
| 07:02.53 | jim | why? |
| 07:03.01 | jim | you have something that works |
| 07:03.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gah... This touchpad thing is annoying me. |
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| 07:03.57 | jim | other than that, what about installing the missing font |
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| 07:04.27 | jim | why does the pdf use an unavailable font? |
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| 07:06.32 | ftp3 | jim, so how do I know? http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/raid_tech/sata_drives/AAR-2410SA/ thats the card.. but it does not list debian.. as a matter of fact, none that I can find do (3ware or adaptec) |
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| 07:07.14 | niru | jim, it is asking to install PSMT font |
| 07:07.17 | jim | ftp3: what driver does it need? do you have the 3ware card also? |
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| 07:08.41 | enouf | ftp3: checked the kernel changelogs? |
| 07:09.08 | enouf | ftp3: from a debian .22 sources, look in ./drivers/scsi/aic94xx/Kconfig also |
| 07:09.27 | ftp3 | ok, ty |
| 07:09.52 | enouf | oh, a lot in ./drivers/scsi/Kconfig as well |
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| 07:10.38 | ftp3 | its just, i want hardware raid that just works :-) so i will pay for the card (because apparently a "real" raid card is $300+ ;-) but I dont want to buy the wrong one at that price |
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| 07:12.34 | jim | ftp3: you could check the kernel .config file for linux-image-2.6.18-5-(yourarch) |
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| 07:16.12 | ftp3 | none of you have hardware raid running on a stock kernel? |
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| 07:18.02 | enouf | ftp3: all i can even find in a kernel.org Vanilla .24 when searching for 24xx or 2410, then scsci, shows zilch to me anyway |
| 07:18.20 | enouf | i got a glogic fiberchannel card ;-) |
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| 07:18.46 | jim | ftp3: so you haven't bought the card yet? |
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| 07:19.13 | enouf | gotta check out the PDF and get a chip maybe |
| 07:19.30 | jim | don't get me wrong... not buying yet is a good thing |
| 07:19.54 | enouf | i find it really friggin odd they support RedHat and Suse etc |
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| 07:21.48 | ftp3 | jim, i bought 3 cards this week |
| 07:22.04 | ftp3 | the last one they charged me 40% return fee since the card was not broken |
| 07:22.07 | ftp3 | thats when i found |
| 07:22.18 | ftp3 | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 07:22.23 | tabris|away | a) does it have to be PCI-X |
| 07:22.42 | ftp3 | i am trying to stick it in a 1u case so it needs to be pci |
| 07:22.46 | tabris|away | b) does it have to be 'hardware raid' ? (esp as at 300USD I doubt it's really hardware raid, hw raid tends ot be 600+ |
| 07:23.03 | ftp3 | yes, hardware raid.. the cards are about $375+ |
| 07:23.16 | tabris|away | I have an adaptec 1430sa that was 120USD, used in a software raid config. |
| 07:23.31 | tabris|away | only trick is it needs a kernel 2.4.22 so that the vanilla kernel knows the PCI ID |
| 07:23.35 | tabris|away | running debian lenny |
| 07:23.44 | ganes | like vmware is there anything in open source |
| 07:23.50 | tabris|away | ganes: xen and kvm |
| 07:24.34 | ganes | tabris|away, if you dont mind , do you have any dcos over this xen |
| 07:24.36 | enouf | ftp3: er PCI? ugh |
| 07:24.47 | tabris|away | enouf: PCIe |
| 07:24.49 | enouf | not even PCI-X? |
| 07:25.00 | enouf | tabris|away: well, PCIe is not PCI ;-) |
| 07:25.02 | ftp3 | enouf: what hardware raid card is not pci 64? |
| 07:25.02 | tabris|away | enouf: that is, the one I have is PCIe |
| 07:25.05 | enouf | as you know |
| 07:25.07 | tabris|away | enouf: I dunno what ftp3 wants |
| 07:25.24 | enouf | ftp3: dude, how's you bus man? |
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| 07:25.40 | enouf | staurate your bus baby |
| 07:25.46 | enouf | saturate even |
| 07:25.52 | Azmodan | Hello |
| 07:25.58 | jim | he wants a card supported by (say) an available netinstall cd |
| 07:26.01 | Azmodan | can i get some help on sidux here guys? |
| 07:26.08 | jim | nope |
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| 07:26.36 | harmonicphotoche | sidux is Slackware.. not debian |
| 07:27.02 | ftp3 | jim,enouf, yep.. exactly.. its a q6600 machine.. and I want hardware raid.. ALL the hardware raid (real hardware raid) cards I can find are pci 64.. I am open to something else if it exists |
| 07:27.02 | Azmodan | harmonicphotoche, so, where can i get help on that? |
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| 07:27.31 | harmonicphotoche | is there a #sidux? |
| 07:27.53 | harmonicphotoche | or maybe #slackware? |
| 07:28.07 | Azmodan | harmonicphotoche, it's empty, and i knew that Sidux is debian based |
| 07:28.19 | Azmodan | ok, i'll try slackware, thnx :o) |
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| 07:29.27 | jim | ftp3: it's possible to get you going... but I'll not guarantee you that there will be netinst cds available with the driver on it... have you checked the kernel .config? |
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| 07:30.24 | ftp3 | jim, I need to install x64 in vmware and find the file.. what am i looking for in there? |
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| 07:30.43 | enouf | ftp3: which ones? some of these http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/raid_tech/sata_drives/ |
| 07:31.03 | ftp3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.10 | jim | what specific cards would fit your bill? |
| 07:31.21 | enouf | 32-bit/66MHz PCI |
| 07:31.27 | jim | what card do you have NOW? |
| 07:31.35 | jim | if any |
| 07:31.49 | enouf | do you have PCI-X ? |
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| 07:33.35 | zippytech_ | hey how can i set permissions on a folder for just one group of users? |
| 07:33.53 | ftp3 | jim, i returned the cards i had, because they turned out to be "fake raid" (http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html) |
| 07:34.04 | Azmodan | well.. |
| 07:34.04 | Azmodan | again.. |
| 07:34.08 | ftp3 | enouf: yes, but i am not aware of a hardware raid card that is pci-x |
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| 07:34.40 | zippytech_ | and block every one else from reading |
| 07:34.40 | Azmodan | can anyone here guys help about Sidux? |
| 07:34.40 | wols_ | !sidux |
| 07:34.40 | dpkg | i heard sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ irc.oftc.net. See also <based on Debian caveats>. |
| 07:34.40 | enouf | ftp3: what? look at that last url i posted |
| 07:34.45 | enouf | ftp3: search the page for pci-x |
| 07:34.52 | ftp3 | enouf, one sec ;-) |
| 07:35.13 | Azmodan | wols_, been there, and no one was able to help |
| 07:35.23 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 07:35.23 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 07:35.25 | Azmodan | so i'm wondering if someone here can |
| 07:35.34 | wols_ | no one can ro will |
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| 07:36.22 | Azmodan | dpkg: 1: it's a debian system |
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| 07:36.32 | Azmodan | and believe me.. i tried everything before asking you |
| 07:36.48 | Azmodan | i tried google, forums, etc |
| 07:36.54 | Azmodan | nothing helped |
| 07:37.02 | Azmodan | and i'm not hassling you |
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| 07:37.13 | Azmodan | it's not like i'm holding a guy to your head! lol |
| 07:37.25 | jim | girls would like that |
| 07:37.29 | Rat409 | lol |
| 07:37.31 | EmuMan | http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8510/linuxsu5.jpg |
| 07:37.32 | EmuMan | lol |
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| 07:38.16 | wols_ | Azmodan: it is NOT a debian system. now stop thw whining already |
| 07:39.04 | fignew | EmuMan: HAH! |
| 07:39.38 | streuner | !confuse EmuMan |
| 07:39.38 | dpkg | Yes, who are your bacon yesterday, EmuMan? wellies of the republic of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
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| 07:40.08 | jim | you've GOT to change or add to the patterns of confuse |
| 07:40.42 | Azmodan | wols_ i'm not "whining", and it IS a debian system!!!!!! |
| 07:40.47 | Azmodan | watever.. |
| 07:40.51 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 07:40.51 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 07:51.16 | NoWhereMan | hi all; is there away to build incrementally a package? I've just rebuilt my kernel but I have to apply a patch to just a pair of modules; can i make it rebuld only those? |
| 07:51.24 | paneb | hello do debian live cd's exist? |
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| 07:53.49 | wols_ | !live cd |
| 07:53.49 | dpkg | i heard livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 07:54.16 | wols_ | martian67_: sure, run make-kpkg again |
| 07:54.25 | wols_ | NoWhereMan: sure, run make-kpkg again |
| 07:54.50 | NoWhereMan | wols_, I'm using the debian/rules way |
| 07:55.04 | wols_ | why? |
| 07:55.15 | jim | that's probably not going to do the job |
| 07:55.34 | wols_ | since that one makes a ton of different kernels, it can't |
| 07:55.38 | NoWhereMan | the package come from an apt-get source |
| 07:55.45 | wols_ | NoWhereMan: that is no reason |
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| 07:55.57 | NoWhereMan | oh |
| 07:56.07 | NoWhereMan | I'm really new with this stuff :p |
| 07:56.18 | tralala | NoWhereMan, make-kpkg is how you compile kernels in debian |
| 07:56.21 | wols_ | !tell NoWhereMan about kernel-package |
| 07:56.27 | wols_ | at least custom kernels |
| 07:56.40 | NoWhereMan | I see |
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| 07:57.09 | wols_ | debian/rules makes about a dozen kernels on i386 taking AGRS when you only want one specific kernel |
| 07:57.13 | tralala | NoWhereMan, of course it is far better to use pre-built images |
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| 07:57.22 | NoWhereMan | don't kill me I'm actually using ubuntu where exists a target binary-FLAVOUR where flavour is one of i386, etc etc |
| 07:57.26 | NoWhereMan | yep guys |
| 07:57.31 | NoWhereMan | I would use a prebuilt |
| 07:57.35 | NoWhereMan | unfortunately |
| 07:57.42 | wols_ | !ubuntu |
| 07:57.42 | NoWhereMan | I DO have to patch by hand my kernel |
| 07:57.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 07:57.54 | wols_ | NoWhereMan: we don't care |
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| 07:59.45 | NoWhereMan | ok, ok |
| 07:59.52 | NoWhereMan | sorry |
| 08:00.07 | zippytech_ | d---rwx--- 3 root mk 4096 2008-03-03 02:44 mk how can i keep other users from seeing inside the mk folder? |
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| 08:02.03 | wols_ | zippytech_: you are running which branch of debian? |
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| 08:03.24 | XoX | initrd images are loaded after the kernel has been loaded and executed right? |
| 08:03.39 | wols_ | pretty much |
| 08:03.41 | XoX | so how come i see splash images in the initrd before the kernel is executed |
| 08:04.07 | XoX | bootsplashes |
| 08:04.10 | XoX | in vesa |
| 08:04.22 | wols_ | !bootsplash |
| 08:04.22 | dpkg | bootsplash is, like, http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot, or superseded by <splashy> |
| 08:04.47 | wols_ | see the part about "patch the kernel"? |
| 08:04.49 | paneb | !livecd |
| 08:04.50 | dpkg | i guess livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 08:05.26 | paneb | debain-live is empty |
| 08:05.38 | XoX | wols_: so it loads only the bootsplash from the initrd and then goes back to executing the kernel ? then continues reading the initrd image? |
| 08:05.43 | XoX | maybe that's what it does? |
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| 08:08.36 | iateadonut | my apache server points to a non-standard page. is there a write an apt-get statement that installs a program (phpmyadmin) to a non-standard directory? or do you think it'd be better to approach this by installing from source? also, if anyone knows a simpler php based program that allows novice users to thoroughly query a mysql database through a web page, i'd appreciate the suggestion. |
| 08:09.12 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:09.58 | mateusz | Hi |
| 08:10.05 | mateusz | I have e100 and e1000 network cards |
| 08:10.09 | mateusz | but when I load module |
| 08:10.15 | mateusz | only one interface is visible |
| 08:10.28 | mateusz | while they have more |
| 08:10.29 | wols_ | mateusz: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 08:10.43 | wols_ | !tell mateusz about interfaces |
| 08:11.16 | mateusz | wols_, well but driver should show it ? that interface is down |
| 08:11.56 | wols_ | mateusz: what do you mean "driver should show it"? |
| 08:12.04 | wols_ | I gave you a command, what does it say? |
| 08:12.18 | mateusz | it shows only 4 interfaces |
| 08:12.19 | iateadonut | wols_ - when i type in 127.0.0.1, apache directs the web browser to /var/www/html/index.html instead of debian's standard /var/www/index.html |
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| 08:12.28 | mateusz | wols_, less than I want |
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| 08:13.06 | wols_ | mateusz: either you start making snsee and give ffull info and descriptions or you solve your own problems alone. HAND |
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| 08:13.19 | wols_ | iateadonut: check your /etc/apache2/ files then |
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| 08:14.04 | iateadonut | well, i want it to point to that location. |
| 08:14.15 | mateusz | wols_, http://cannibal.kaduk.net/~mateusz/ethernet.txt |
| 08:14.55 | iateadonut | but i also want to install phpmyadmin, but it gets installed in /var/www/phpmyadmin instead of /var/www/html/phpmyadmin - cp doesn't work to change the install directory. (... checking /etc/apache2 now...) |
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| 08:15.08 | wols_ | mateusz: you have 4 NICs and 4 ethx, what is the problem? |
| 08:15.56 | xinliGG | /etc/init.d/networking start |
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| 08:16.51 | mateusz | wols_, those cards have more interfaces |
| 08:16.55 | mateusz | wols_, http://cannibal.kaduk.net/~mateusz/lspci.txt |
| 08:16.57 | iateadonut | i'll grep through /etc and /var and find all the files with '/var/www/phpmyadmin' - that will tell me where there's a misconfiguration... |
| 08:17.00 | Haris1 | How do I see the current number of connections being used? |
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| 08:17.09 | Pascal_1 | hello |
| 08:17.10 | Pascal_1 | i've got a problem with a new debian install. I would like that ldap user could connect on the pc via gdm. Everything works fine via ssh or localy but when i want to connect from gdm it doesnt works. I've no error message in /var/log/auth.log. Anybody could help me ? |
| 08:17.52 | wols_ | mateusz: update-pciids. and possibly a newer kernel |
| 08:20.48 | mateusz | wols_, thanks |
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| 08:25.19 | St0n3-C0l | Hmm can i install debian without writing it on a disk? My CDRW is out of order. I've currently ubuntu gutsy installed. Any way? |
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| 08:26.12 | frog | can i call with wengo from console? |
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| 08:27.30 | wols_ | !tell St0n3-C0l about debootstrap |
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| 08:27.58 | St0n3-C0l | ahan |
| 08:27.59 | St0n3-C0l | cool |
| 08:28.01 | St0n3-C0l | thanks wols_ |
| 08:28.02 | St0n3-C0l | :) |
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| 08:30.13 | wols_ | zippytech_: as ron: id |
| 08:30.36 | St0n3-C0l | wols: Is debian 4.0 fast on 256mb? |
| 08:30.38 | iateadonut | if i want to grep in usr and in var, should i wait till one is done before i start the other one, or can i just do them both at the same time? |
| 08:30.39 | St0n3-C0l | RAM ? |
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| 08:31.13 | wols_ | St0n3-C0l: nonsensical question |
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| 08:31.16 | sep | St0n3-C0l, depends on what applications you run on it. vi is lightning fast on 256 |
| 08:31.29 | wols_ | !nickometer St0n3-C0l |
| 08:31.31 | dpkg | 'St0n3-C0l' is 56.000% lame, wols_ |
| 08:31.35 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
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| 08:32.19 | Haris1 | guys! |
| 08:32.24 | Haris1 | open connections! |
| 08:32.25 | FordCortina | !nickometer FordCortina |
| 08:32.27 | dpkg | 'FordCortina' is 0.000% lame, fordcortina |
| 08:32.31 | FordCortina | yey! |
| 08:32.38 | wols_ | !confuse Haris1 |
| 08:32.38 | dpkg | No, what are their ferret today, Haris1? trousers of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 08:32.44 | Haris1 | when I ran aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 08:32.49 | Haris1 | it only downloaded it, but didn't install |
| 08:33.06 | Haris1 | I want to download the latest stable kernel from kernel.org and build it |
| 08:33.08 | Haris1 | is that ok? |
| 08:33.12 | Haris1 | for etch r2 |
| 08:33.16 | wols_ | !enter |
| 08:33.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 08:33.30 | wols_ | yes it is "ok" |
| 08:33.36 | Haris1 | great! |
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| 08:33.54 | wols_ | !tell Haris1 about kernel-package |
| 08:34.15 | iateadonut | !tell iateadonut about kernel package |
| 08:34.18 | Pascal_1 | any idea for my problem ? |
| 08:34.20 | Haris1 | aha! kernel-package |
| 08:34.25 | Haris1 | someone told me linux-source |
| 08:34.27 | Haris1 | package |
| 08:34.49 | wols_ | linux-source is the right package and it did install |
| 08:34.58 | wols_ | Haris1: and stop that damn enter misuse! |
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| 08:35.07 | wols_ | !tell iateadonut about selftell |
| 08:35.21 | wols_ | !any idea Pascal_1 |
| 08:35.32 | wols_ | !idea |
| 08:35.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, idea is meaning you don't know. |
| 08:36.06 | Pascal_1 | wols_, ??? |
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| 08:36.15 | Pascal_1 | i've got a problem with a new debian install. I would like that ldap user could connect on the pc via gdm. Everything works fine via ssh or localy but when i want to connect from gdm it doesnt works. I've no error message in /var/log/auth.log. Anybody could help me ? |
| 08:36.20 | wols_ | !repeat |
| 08:36.20 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:36.46 | Haris1 | wols_: You are using more lines for factoids than all of my lines combined :p |
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| 08:36.56 | Pascal_1 | wols_, i thought you didnt see my question |
| 08:36.57 | verboz | hi all |
| 08:37.13 | Pascal_1 | sorryu |
| 08:37.16 | Pascal_1 | sorry |
| 08:37.34 | wols_ | Haris1: I use them to tell them something. you misuse enter. welcome to my ignore list. now go away |
| 08:37.55 | verboz | have problem to access trac webadmin interface |
| 08:37.55 | Haris1 | one less person making noise at me :p |
| 08:38.01 | Haris1 | hehe |
| 08:38.18 | wols_ | one less person help you moron. unless you see another one that did. good work |
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| 08:38.36 | verboz | i have a vhost, and i created a symbolic link to this url, but i have an apache error: [error] [client 10.0.0.80] Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible: /var/www/trac |
| 08:39.19 | Haris1 | Ok |
| 08:39.35 | iateadonut | changing instances of /var/www/phpmyadmin to /var/www/html/phpmyadmin and restarting apache did not help. is there anything you can suggest? |
| 08:39.46 | Haris1 | Increasing number of file descriptors, and kernel limit for open connections won't make debian use extra memory untill the files are opened or connections are made on FD, right? |
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| 08:40.31 | Haris1 | I need to put up a suggestion to squid package maintainer to configure squid out of the box with 65K connection limit, rather than only 4K |
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| 08:47.10 | o2T7 | Hi |
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| 09:03.44 | jim_p | goodmorning |
| 09:05.50 | jim_p | i have a tiny provlem with my conky. The fonts after bootup look like ... with no antialiasing at all. I have to killall conky and re-run it to get them properly.Any ideas? |
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| 09:08.48 | jescis | hello again everyone \o_ |
| 09:08.57 | jim_p | hi! |
| 09:09.22 | jescis | I finished installing debian |
| 09:09.30 | jescis | but... |
| 09:11.10 | jim_p | but...? |
| 09:11.35 | jescis | it was totally black after everything initiallized. my tv/monitor gave the no signal floaty thing |
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| 09:11.53 | SlayerXP | sounds like you stuffed up the X config |
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| 09:12.39 | jescis | how's that possible? |
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| 09:13.11 | wols_ | jescis: more info needed |
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| 09:14.38 | jescis | I waited for 5-10 seconds before I restarted |
| 09:14.54 | wols_ | !reboot |
| 09:14.54 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 09:15.59 | Eulex | jescis, either try switching to a tty with ctrl-alt-f1, or try booting into single user mode |
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| 09:16.20 | jescis | this is afresh install too :( |
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| 09:17.35 | Eulex | jescis, what graphics card? |
| 09:18.02 | jescis | I tried booting into both the first one and the single user one and got the same result, maybe I should try using tty |
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| 09:18.27 | Eulex | hmm, then the problem isn't X-related |
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| 09:19.24 | jescis | WVGA nvidia e-GeForce FX 5200 |
| 09:19.29 | spx2 | how can I get my kernel source ? |
| 09:19.38 | jescis | eVGA* |
| 09:19.41 | spx2 | I searched with aptitude search all over |
| 09:19.48 | spx2 | and found nothing |
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| 09:20.52 | Eulex | jescis, in grub, press e on some debian entry (in normal mode), then look at the 'kernel' line -- does it end in vga=771 or similar? (you may have to press 'e' on it to see all of it if it's long) |
| 09:21.17 | Eulex | spx2, apt-cache search linux-source ? what version are you running? |
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| 09:22.20 | jescis | I need to reboot to find out Eulex |
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| 09:22.48 | Eulex | jescis, oh, it's on the same computer as you're currently on? |
| 09:22.57 | Eulex | jescis, what operating system are you currently running? |
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| 09:23.17 | jescis | Windoze XP |
| 09:23.34 | jescis | it's a dual boot |
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| 09:25.09 | Eulex | jescis, ok, was just wondering because if you had been running some other linux flavour we could've mounted your debian partition and looked in the grub settings. there are ext3 drivers for windows xp, but I guess that would at least need an install and a reboot too... do you have any other computer there that you could connect to irc with? |
| 09:25.51 | jescis | no |
| 09:26.43 | jescis | I'd have to remember what needs to be done, then come back with the info |
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| 09:27.52 | tsrepadmin | hi, are there any pure-ftpd packages fpr amd65 out there? |
| 09:28.01 | tsrepadmin | amd64 :-) |
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| 09:28.15 | tsrepadmin | for debian etch |
| 09:28.24 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.25 | SlayerXP | tsrepadmin: aptitude search pure-ftpd |
| 09:28.31 | Eulex | jescis, basically, what's interesting are the kernel options for the kernel you're running. |
| 09:28.33 | jescis | although... I could install ubuntu 7.10 just to get debian to work >_> |
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| 09:28.50 | tsrepadmin | SlyerXP: I installed it with apt-get, but I always get authentication errors |
| 09:29.07 | dpkg | pure-ftpd: (Pure-FTPd FTP server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0.21-11.1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 141 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
| 09:29.32 | wols_ | !tell tsrepadmin about errors |
| 09:29.36 | Eulex | jescis, when you're to choose what to boot in grub, you can press 'e' on any of them to see the actual config for that entry |
| 09:29.45 | Maulkin | tsrepadmin: Have you read stuff in /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd/ ? |
| 09:30.11 | Eulex | jescis, there will be a line beginning with 'kernel'. it will look somewhat like this: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda5 ro |
| 09:30.19 | jescis | I got that, from what you said earlier |
| 09:30.25 | SlayerXP | tsrepadmin: most people would try and resolve the errors, rather than joining an IRC channel and asking completly unrelated questions. |
| 09:30.57 | tsrepadmin | SlyerXP I try know for 4 days .-) |
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| 09:31.19 | SlayerXP | tsrepadmin: so, what's the cause of the error? |
| 09:31.39 | tsrepadmin | SlyerXP: First I taught it just would be the TLS that I'm trying to use, now I sowngraded security to cleartext but got still auth error |
| 09:31.39 | iateadonut | is anyone running mysql on debian? can you do a ls -l /var/lib and tell me what owner user and permissions should be on /var/lib/mysql? |
| 09:31.48 | Eulex | jescis, I believe that there are two possible problems: either you need to _choose_ a non-textmode video mode for the console, or you're using a non-textmode video mode that for some reason doesn't work |
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| 09:32.14 | spx2 | Eulex: how can I see my kernel version ? |
| 09:32.17 | Eulex | jescis, this is set by the vga=blah kernel option. if it's there, try removing it. if it isn't there, try adding vga=771 to the kernel options |
| 09:32.18 | tsrepadmin | SlyerXP: At TLS it was an ssl error, know there are no error messages. It's just that the password isn't accepted |
| 09:32.19 | jescis | hhmmm |
| 09:32.21 | Eulex | spx2, uname -ar |
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| 09:33.01 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.13 | spx2 | 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 09:33.13 | Eulex | jescis, you can press 'e' on a config line to edit it (for example the kernel line) then when you're done editing it, press 'b' to boot it |
| 09:33.28 | spx2 | Eulex: thats my kernel version |
| 09:33.48 | Eulex | spx2, that kernel is an old testing/unstable kernel version that has long since been deprecated and removed. |
| 09:33.51 | wols_ | spx2: not available in any repo right now |
| 09:34.17 | spx2 | Eulex: so what should I do ? |
| 09:34.35 | wols_ | !tell spx2 about sdn |
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| 09:35.02 | iateadonut | wols_, i know you hate wasted space - is it wasted space to thank you? |
| 09:35.12 | Eulex | spx2, I'd upgrade to the current kernel in testing or unstable (whichever you're running) |
| 09:35.41 | Eulex | jescis, I guess that is what you'll need to know. |
| 09:35.55 | jescis | ok, so I'll look for that after rebooting, then come back if ir's there or not, and tell what happened. |
| 09:36.03 | saintiss | hi all |
| 09:36.17 | saintiss | what could be the cause of /var/run/motd not existing, and how can I bring it back? |
| 09:36.25 | saintiss | (i.e. the default motd file) |
| 09:36.27 | ShredZ | I can't seem to mount a cifs share on a windows server, I got samba and smbclient installed.. something else missing ? |
| 09:36.27 | wols_ | !motd |
| 09:36.27 | dpkg | well, motd is the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd |
| 09:36.36 | saintiss | wols_, yes, I know that |
| 09:36.41 | wols_ | saintiss: a init.d script creates it on bootup iirc |
| 09:36.56 | saintiss | wols_, interesting... I just rebooted, but it isn't there |
| 09:37.03 | Eulex | jescis, yep |
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| 09:37.32 | wols_ | saintiss: grep motd /etc/init.d/* |
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| 09:37.51 | saintiss | wols_, indeed... for some reason bootmisc.sh was not executed then? |
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| 09:38.14 | wols_ | saintiss: check |
| 09:38.16 | HSorgYves | morning, i am creating a partition for the innodb tables for mysql; which id should i give the udev rule to modify the access group to that partition, i.e. before/after which rules should it be executed? |
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| 09:39.26 | error0237 | want to let permission of 777 to a directory that contain many others directories so how to use chmod 777 and let all the files in those directory the permission |
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| 09:39.43 | saintiss | wols_, can I check whether it was executed or not? |
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| 09:40.12 | wols_ | !tell saintiss about sysvconfig |
| 09:40.21 | spx2 | Eulex: do I just write aptitude upgrade ? |
| 09:40.28 | wols_ | !tell saintiss about sysvinit |
| 09:40.36 | wols_ | spx2: kernel won't gt upgraded then usually |
| 09:40.44 | spx2 | Eulex: how do I upgrade only the kernel |
| 09:40.48 | saintiss | wols_, I know about that, but that doesn't really guarantee anything, does it? it *should* have been executed, but how can I be sure? |
| 09:40.59 | wam | Hi, I have a sarge box and need a single package from etch. I could download the .deb. But isn't there a nicer way like configuring that I want this deb from etch? |
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| 09:41.24 | St0n3-C0l | I am done with debootstrap, but how do I make it my default / ? Cos I've ubuntu installed too. |
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| 09:41.52 | wols_ | !tell wam bout backports |
| 09:41.55 | tarzeau | St0n3-C0l: in the boot loader? |
| 09:42.09 | wols_ | wam: you need to upgrade in the next two months anyways. sarge is EOL and gets no updates then anymore |
| 09:42.27 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 09:42.27 | dpkg | somebody said debstats was managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 09:42.29 | wam | wols_: the package isn't available in backports. |
| 09:42.45 | wols_ | wam: then you need to do your own backport. but as I said: wasted work |
| 09:42.55 | wols_ | !tell wam about sarge->>etc |
| 09:42.56 | St0n3-C0l | tarzeau: Nope. |
| 09:42.59 | wols_ | !tell wam about sarge->etch |
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| 09:43.20 | wols_ | St0n3-C0l: nonsensicla. it IS the bootloader where oyu have to make it default |
| 09:43.35 | wam | wols_: thanks |
| 09:43.50 | St0n3-C0l | wols_: Hmmm I didn't know it, doing it for the first time. So where do i type it in bootloader? |
| 09:43.58 | St0n3-C0l | do i have to do it again? |
| 09:44.02 | wols_ | St0n3-C0l: menu.lst |
| 09:44.29 | error0237 | want to let permission of 777 to a directory that contain many others directories so how to use chmod 777 and let all the files in those directory the permission |
| 09:44.37 | wols_ | having one bootlaoder for two linux distros is icky. one of them doesn't know about it and needs to manual entries always |
| 09:44.49 | wols_ | error0237: man chmod |
| 09:45.04 | error0237 | i try but that not help |
| 09:45.23 | wols_ | error0237: seach for "recursive" in there |
| 09:45.28 | St0n3-C0l | wols_ so will i have to install first kernel doing 'chroot' on terminal and then make a manual entry in the bootloader? |
| 09:45.47 | wols_ | St0n3-C0l: deepens which OS handles the bootloader |
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| 09:46.12 | St0n3-C0l | hmm |
| 09:47.44 | St0n3-C0l | wols_ Lemme try then I'll get back to u. |
| 09:47.50 | St0n3-C0l | Installing linux-image :) |
| 09:49.02 | wols_ | St0n3-C0l: which grub will you use? from debian or from ubuntu? will ubuntu stay on when debian is installed? |
| 09:49.23 | St0n3-C0l | wols_: No, I am planning to un-install it after I get on debian |
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| 09:50.48 | wols_ | so install grub from debian and all should be well |
| 09:51.00 | St0n3-C0l | hmm |
| 09:51.20 | St0n3-C0l | linux-image too ? right? |
| 09:51.33 | wols_ | of course you need linux-image from debian |
| 09:51.39 | AnyFile | How can I check if fonts are installed correctly on my system (etch)? In Open office I can see less fonts than I can see with fc-list and some programs (like inkview and) fail to find the fonts |
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| 09:51.55 | St0n3-C0l | ok so after all that how will i remove packages from ubuntu so i can free disk-space for debian ? |
| 09:51.56 | fixou | ou |
| 09:52.41 | wols_ | St0n3-C0l: we don't know and care. did you install debian in the same partition as your ubuntu? |
| 09:52.53 | St0n3-C0l | wols_ Yup. |
| 09:52.53 | wols_ | or inside a chroot or other partition? |
| 09:53.08 | St0n3-C0l | inside chroot but the partition is same |
| 09:53.11 | wols_ | St0n3-C0l: congrats. you broke your ubuntu and probably your debian too. have fun reformatting |
| 09:53.25 | wols_ | ah crhoot. so how do you plan to remoev ubtunut and use debian? |
| 09:53.26 | St0n3-C0l | aww |
| 09:53.44 | wols_ | debian won't find its kernel in /debian/boot/vmlinuz, will it? |
| 09:54.03 | wols_ | and /debian/sbin/init is a relaly bad place as well |
| 09:54.07 | St0n3-C0l | hmm |
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| 09:54.09 | XoX | hi |
| 09:54.12 | St0n3-C0l | nah |
| 09:54.13 | wols_ | the way you set it up, debian will not boot |
| 09:54.16 | XoX | what does the b1 mean in "squid_2.6.18-1+b1_amd64.deb" |
| 09:54.18 | St0n3-C0l | lets see. |
| 09:54.28 | AnyFile | How can I get a list of all possible installable packages of a certain type? How can I list all packages that have tag "font"? |
| 09:56.25 | St0n3-C0l | i'll try if netinstall works |
| 09:56.31 | St0n3-C0l | cos I don't have cdrw. |
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| 09:57.41 | jescis | Eulex: I tried it and it didn't work |
| 09:57.48 | jescis | :( |
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| 09:58.46 | jescis | I'm using my ubuntu live cd. So we can do it the other way now :) |
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| 09:59.45 | St0n3-C0l | oh |
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| 09:59.57 | St0n3-C0l | wols_: Why not try it from a live-cd? |
| 09:59.58 | Eulex | jescis, ok |
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| 10:00.13 | Eulex | jescis, well, pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 10:00.52 | wols_ | St0n3-C0l: try WHAT? |
| 10:01.02 | St0n3-C0l | wols: Installing debootstrap and doing it again? |
| 10:01.11 | jescis | ok Eulex |
| 10:01.12 | wols_ | St0n3-C0l: sure |
| 10:01.26 | Eulex | jescis, eh, well, the one on the debian partition |
| 10:01.28 | St0n3-C0l | I guess that would work ? will it? |
| 10:01.32 | wols_ | St0n3-C0l: you still have to remove your ubuntu first or use another partition for debian |
| 10:01.38 | St0n3-C0l | Yup |
| 10:01.44 | St0n3-C0l | I will do that. |
| 10:01.44 | St0n3-C0l | :) |
| 10:01.57 | St0n3-C0l | but umm...wols can u give me a linux command to format partition? |
| 10:02.07 | wols_ | man mkfs |
| 10:02.12 | St0n3-C0l | ok thanks |
| 10:02.21 | St0n3-C0l | jescis: Thanks, you gave me a good idea ;) |
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| 10:03.01 | jescis | np Eulex |
| 10:03.12 | jescis | nvm |
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| 10:03.25 | jescis | np St0n3-C0l |
| 10:03.46 | runa | hi how can i recover a user password without changing it |
| 10:04.39 | Eulex | runa, basically, you can't, without some quite big effort. |
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| 10:05.25 | runa | i think that once i have the /etc/shadow it is possible or isnt it true |
| 10:05.41 | jescis | http://www.pastebin.ca/925825 |
| 10:05.48 | jescis | there |
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| 10:08.12 | Eulex | jescis, ok, did you manage to boot with the added kernel option vga=771 ? |
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| 10:08.24 | jescis | no |
| 10:08.57 | Eulex | jescis, well, I mean, did you manage to add vga=771 and at least try booting with it? |
| 10:09.20 | jescis | I put it on its own line and on the kernel line and it still wouldn't work :( |
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| 10:09.45 | Eulex | hmm, well, but you will need to put it on the same line |
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| 10:09.54 | jescis | (not at the same instance though) |
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| 10:10.03 | Eulex | so you'd get "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-486 root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=771" |
| 10:10.24 | Eulex | now that you've got the debian partition mounted, you could edit this now. |
| 10:11.14 | Eulex | (and "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-486 root=/dev/hda2 ro single vga=771") |
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| 10:14.59 | yacc | Ah, the joys of apt-get upgrade ;) |
| 10:15.20 | jescis | ok, done Eulex |
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| 10:16.46 | jescis | time to test it, right? |
| 10:17.11 | Eulex | jescis, yep |
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| 10:19.05 | ganes | how to use xen |
| 10:20.06 | l0c4lh0st | hmm |
| 10:20.10 | l0c4lh0st | backports.org is up |
| 10:20.23 | l0c4lh0st | But it doesn't have a backport of rt2x00 for etch :'( |
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| 10:22.59 | Haris1 | ok, just confirming. aptitude install linux-source-version.number only downloads the source tar? one has to manually extract and build it? |
| 10:23.21 | Haris1 | I'm asking, because on redhat, I get it extract in a ready shape for me to run make xconfig |
| 10:23.38 | ganes | how to use xen |
| 10:23.42 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, create one |
| 10:23.51 | Eulex | Haris1, yes. |
| 10:23.57 | l0c4lh0st | heh, do you have any idea on how to do that? :) |
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| 10:24.11 | Eulex | !tell l0c4lh0st about simple sid backport |
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| 10:24.17 | Haris1 | extracted+ |
| 10:24.22 | l0c4lh0st | The basic problem is that the etch rt2x00 package doesn't contain my WLAN adapter's vendor ID |
| 10:24.27 | l0c4lh0st | The one for lenny does |
| 10:24.56 | l0c4lh0st | oh, you can do it that simple? |
| 10:24.57 | l0c4lh0st | :D |
| 10:25.09 | l0c4lh0st | I thought I had to go and rewrite all sorts of codes... |
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| 10:25.22 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, another way would perhaps be to add the right vendor id to the etch rt2x00 source and hope it works? |
| 10:25.25 | Haris1 | whaqt's the difference between downloading kernel with aptitude install linux-source-version.number and downloading it from kernel.org? |
| 10:25.51 | Eulex | Haris1, the one from debian has debian patches |
| 10:25.57 | martian67_ | debian has their own patchset |
| 10:26.05 | Haris1 | I thought as much |
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| 10:26.33 | Haris1 | matrix: wsalam/hello |
| 10:26.44 | matrix | :) |
| 10:26.55 | matrix | Haris1, : where are you from brother ? |
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| 10:27.30 | qball | I got a question. I have a software raid running on it821x card. now I want to put the card in noraid mode.. passing it821x.noraid=1 to the kernel option does not work (I assume because it is loaded as module from initrd) how do I tell it to pass that option when loading? |
| 10:27.38 | Haris1 | !info relayfs |
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| 10:28.09 | Haris1 | matrix: Pakistan |
| 10:28.09 | fester | can sombody save my sanity and give me the name of the package that autocompletes package names in apt when you hit tab? |
| 10:28.24 | matrix | Haris1, : it s fine :) |
| 10:28.44 | wols_ | fester: bash completion? |
| 10:28.46 | matrix | my father worked in pakistan , but he comed ... |
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| 10:29.52 | fester | wols_ you type apt-get install <partofpackagename> then hit tab and it auto completes |
| 10:30.15 | fester | i installed it last night on another box from the first debian dvd |
| 10:30.16 | tsrepadmin | how can i set a default mask for groups? |
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| 10:31.01 | saintiss | fester, it's bash itself |
| 10:31.09 | saintiss | it provides the file /etc/bash_completion |
| 10:31.11 | fester | you sure? |
| 10:31.32 | St0n3-C0l | wols_ I am on live-cd, I forgot to ask. At debootstrap process, what do i put? 'debootstrap ./etch-chroot http://ftp.debian.org/debian ? |
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| 10:31.53 | saintiss | fester, it does seem like there's an /etc/bash_completion.d dir as well, and other packages may drop files there |
| 10:31.57 | fester | if it was bash it would be working? |
| 10:32.32 | themill | You need to ". /etc/bash_completion" before it's going to work though. |
| 10:33.01 | tsrepadmin | (i want to have a default mask for users of group ftpgroup, that the files are always owned by www-data and have 774 |
| 10:33.13 | saintiss | fester, the file does include a section for apt |
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| 10:33.31 | St0n3-C0l | wol ? |
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| 10:40.17 | qiyong | with db_load or et al, how to delete a record? |
| 10:40.21 | jescis | it didn't work, Eulex :( |
| 10:40.48 | qiyong | jescis: ? |
| 10:41.06 | Eulex | jescis, sorry, no idea then :/ |
| 10:41.25 | jescis | and I'm installing ubuntu on a differant partition so I don't have to reinstall irssi |
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| 10:43.01 | jescis | maybe editing it to use tty0 might help? |
| 10:43.48 | Eulex | editing what? |
| 10:43.56 | St0n3-C0l | Guys I am on Live-CD, using debootstrap, I've to install debian. so what command do i put it? |
| 10:44.04 | St0n3-C0l | I've my partition formatted |
| 10:44.26 | jescis | menu list Eulex |
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| 10:45.27 | Eulex | jescis, where would you put tty0 in there? |
| 10:45.58 | jescis | as an alternative option for debian |
| 10:46.25 | jescis | a third linux os line |
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| 10:47.19 | Eulex | never heard about such an option. what would that do? |
| 10:47.37 | Eulex | ah, wait, 'third linux os line'? |
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| 10:47.54 | jescis | yes |
| 10:48.28 | jescis | it is doable |
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| 10:48.45 | dto | how do I set the wireless channel for wpa_supplicant in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:49.40 | l0c4lh0st | 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. |
| 10:49.46 | l0c4lh0st | How do I know what line to add? :] |
| 10:49.52 | Eulex | jescis, sorry, I don't understand what you mean? |
| 10:50.11 | l0c4lh0st | (About backporting) |
| 10:50.24 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, you copy an existing deb-src line and replace etch/stable/testing/lenny/whatever with sid |
| 10:50.26 | jescis | tty is what? cosole? |
| 10:50.30 | l0c4lh0st | ah, k, thanks |
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| 10:50.40 | Eulex | jescis, tty is a console, yes. |
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| 10:51.00 | p0g0 | dto: stations will scan for the ESSID (the Access Point) across channels |
| 10:51.13 | jescis | so that would be the purpose of the tty option |
| 10:51.37 | l0c4lh0st | So this would be a valid line, Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/925866 |
| 10:51.42 | l0c4lh0st | (line 9) |
| 10:51.47 | jescis | that would have to be added to the menu list |
| 10:51.47 | dto | i'm using bcm43xx, which i have gotten to work fine with debian before, but only when manually configured. the radio light comes on, and in /var/log/messages i get "eth1: link is not ready" |
| 10:52.02 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, yes |
| 10:52.05 | l0c4lh0st | ok :> |
| 10:52.37 | Eulex | jescis, I don't understand? |
| 10:53.25 | l0c4lh0st | SubZero:~# apt-get build-dep rt2x00-source |
| 10:53.28 | dto | p0g0: I get kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
| 10:53.34 | l0c4lh0st | How do I know it picks the lenny package instead of the etch package? |
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| 10:54.05 | dto | p0g0: i always have this problem. occasionally it will "work" and the wireless connection will then be solid for days |
| 10:54.16 | dto | but rebooting means I start over |
| 10:54.24 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, it will pick the _unstable_ package in that setup. just make sure that you've run apt-get update. then check the version on the package it downloaded. |
| 10:54.41 | l0c4lh0st | ok |
| 10:54.45 | jescis | insert a tty option in the menu list file. then with it coded right it will logon at a command line |
| 10:55.34 | Eulex | jescis, it does that by default. there should be no need for such an option, even though I've never heard about such a line. the closest that I know of is init=/bin/sh |
| 10:55.44 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/925867 |
| 10:55.48 | l0c4lh0st | It does nothing :/ |
| 10:55.55 | jescis | not logon automatically, I mean it'll give a login prompt as it is linux ;) |
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| 10:56.28 | Eulex | jescis, ah. but init=/bin/sh does that |
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| 10:57.02 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, then it didn't need to get any package. note that that command gets build dependencies for rt2x00-source. |
| 10:57.15 | l0c4lh0st | I have that package installed |
| 10:57.21 | l0c4lh0st | The etch one |
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| 10:57.22 | jescis | but the grub console isn't the same as a regular console |
| 10:57.33 | l0c4lh0st | And I have build an etch package from that source |
| 10:57.36 | l0c4lh0st | which is also installed |
| 10:57.52 | l0c4lh0st | Should I remove both first? |
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| 10:59.15 | l0c4lh0st | apt-get -b source rt2x00-source <--- in this case |
| 10:59.55 | Eulex | jescis, I still don't understand what you're trying to say. grub just shoves the kernel options to the kernel when it starts... |
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| 11:01.52 | jescis | yes but I can't get in to debian the normal way so I need to get in using the console |
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| 11:02.16 | Eulex | jescis, single user mode does that. |
| 11:02.34 | jescis | oph... |
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| 11:02.45 | jescis | oh...* |
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| 11:03.08 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: It came up with this: http://pastebin.ca/925872 Did it do something good? |
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| 11:03.32 | jescis | hhmmm... and it did the same thing :\ |
| 11:03.55 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, yes, it succeeded. there should be a ../rt2x00-source_2.0.12+git20071103-3_all.deb . |
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| 11:04.10 | Eulex | jescis, do you get any scrolling text before everything turns black? |
| 11:04.19 | jescis | yes |
| 11:04.27 | Eulex | jescis, for how long? |
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| 11:05.09 | dto | p0g0: radio starts up, but /var/log/messages still gets "eth1: link is not ready" and no other error. even with verbosity turned up |
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| 11:05.39 | St0n3-C0l | anyone who can help me with debootstrap? wols_ there? |
| 11:05.51 | jescis | 2-3 minute I think it goes past ipv6 thing |
| 11:08.08 | Eulex | jescis, can you check the syslog on the debian partition? (/var/log/syslog) |
| 11:08.22 | jescis | yes |
| 11:09.08 | St0n3-C0l | hmm guys how to install grub on mbr? |
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| 11:09.33 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 11:09.40 | Haris1 | I have a piculiar thing going on |
| 11:10.34 | l0c4lh0st | w00, that's nice, Eulex |
| 11:10.40 | Haris1 | I needed to filter smtp for 3 bxoes for preventing spam going out. I put rules in filter/SMTP for filter/FORWARD and in nat/SMTP for nat/POSTROUTING. Now, I can see the counters moving in nat/SMTP, but not in filter/SMTP |
| 11:10.43 | Eulex | jescis, pastebin the output of the last boot |
| 11:10.55 | l0c4lh0st | Should I upload the new package to backports.org, Eulex? |
| 11:10.55 | Haris1 | Has someone scrweed up iptables? |
| 11:11.00 | Haris1 | in etch ? |
| 11:11.45 | petemc | unlikely |
| 11:11.48 | Haris1 | I can see in iptables tutorial, my filter/SMTP rules SHOULD! work in filter/FORWARD |
| 11:12.01 | petemc | i would guess that someone is you |
| 11:12.03 | Haris1 | http://pastebin.ca/925873 |
| 11:12.12 | Haris1 | petemc: I don't develop iptables for debian |
| 11:12.14 | Haris1 | petemc: try me |
| 11:12.16 | wols_ | !enter |
| 11:12.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 11:12.21 | Haris1 | wols_: I'm sorry! |
| 11:12.27 | l0c4lh0st | ok, I now installed it Eulex |
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| 11:12.32 | petemc | Haris1: try you? what does that mean |
| 11:12.48 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, well, sorry, but backports.org only hosts backports created by debian developers, to at least try to make the backports live up to debian's standards |
| 11:12.52 | Haris1 | petemc: see my rules and point out a problem in my implementation or something that I did to make iptables work wrong |
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| 11:13.04 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, yes, I can understand that |
| 11:13.07 | petemc | Haris1: i just have an issue with people who blame the tools rather than themselvesa |
| 11:13.16 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: I got this: http://pastebin.ca/925877 Is my package now the correct (newer lenny) version? |
| 11:13.49 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, it is |
| 11:13.51 | Haris1 | petemc: Well, it should be justified. Then, I take it. OTherwise, I don't |
| 11:13.55 | l0c4lh0st | okay |
| 11:13.56 | Haris1 | I have that problem too |
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| 11:14.03 | l0c4lh0st | So now I should m-a a-i rt2x00-source again? |
| 11:14.10 | Haris1 | IF I'm wrong, I accept |
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| 11:14.37 | Haris1 | oops! if I'm not wrong, I am justified to say its not working well |
| 11:15.01 | petemc | its a bad stance to take on things |
| 11:15.13 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: So now I should m-a a-i rt2x00-source again? |
| 11:15.19 | jescis | here it is: http://www.pastebin.ca/925881 |
| 11:16.15 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, yes |
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| 11:16.49 | alex12 | hi folks, what would be a good solution for protection agianst script kiddies ? ssh / apache hammering / iptables rules management etc.. and that would have a nice webfrton end.... ? |
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| 11:18.51 | l0c4lh0st | I think it's installing the old version again, Eulex |
| 11:19.01 | l0c4lh0st | building* |
| 11:19.06 | Haris1 | ah, well, I'm only concerned with fixing the problem. I don't want to talk or brawl with anyone. Is there a way to fix or improve on this issue? |
| 11:19.13 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, oh. well, we'll find out |
| 11:19.43 | Eulex | alex12, umh, well, use public key authentication for ssh. make sure that anything that uses login with password has strong passwords. and _don't_ use web configuration frontends. |
| 11:20.01 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, I'm curious =) |
| 11:20.14 | alex12 | and what about script kiddies looking for my phpmyadmin in apache ? =) |
| 11:20.47 | l0c4lh0st | Let them look... As long as you secure the stuff, there's nothing to worry about |
| 11:20.54 | l0c4lh0st | uhoh, lots of errors, Eulex |
| 11:20.56 | alex12 | im not looking for webfront end configuration for ssh, just to manage my firewall / iptables |
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| 11:21.31 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/925883 |
| 11:21.32 | l0c4lh0st | :( |
| 11:21.49 | Haris1 | do we have any article with out of the box kernel config? |
| 11:22.03 | Haris1 | I want to make sure, the new kernel I compile has all the old config, plus my modifications |
| 11:22.15 | abortd | i keep looking for a debian download and its 10 cds? |
| 11:22.22 | abortd | or more i cant remember |
| 11:22.28 | wols_ | !tell abortd about d-i |
| 11:22.33 | Haris1 | abortd: last I checked debian was on 21 CDs :p |
| 11:22.34 | l0c4lh0st | I can let it continue, but I don't think that's a good idea |
| 11:22.44 | wols_ | abortd: it's 150MB ISO to start |
| 11:23.02 | ApEtc | abortd: If the machine in question has a 'Net connection, you just need one. |
| 11:23.15 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, appears that that kernel module needs a newer kernel... one with the new 80211 stack |
| 11:23.21 | wols_ | !tell abortd about ig |
| 11:23.24 | Haris1 | but I only use CD1 to install. I install the rest with aptitude later on |
| 11:23.36 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: Would it be possible to install that, somehow? |
| 11:23.41 | abortd | it has a wireless net connection |
| 11:23.56 | abortd | will debian be able to see it right away like ubuntu did? |
| 11:24.30 | wols_ | abortd: depends on the connection. usually no. what chip? |
| 11:24.41 | abortd | linksys |
| 11:24.47 | wols_ | linksys is no chip |
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| 11:25.05 | abortd | i said im hooked up wirelessly |
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| 11:25.10 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: Maybe I can install a new 80211 package?? |
| 11:25.23 | wols_ | and I asked what chip your wlan uses. and linksys doesn't make any wlan chips. |
| 11:25.41 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: don't exist for your chip afaik |
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| 11:25.56 | l0c4lh0st | argh |
| 11:26.05 | abortd | im using a linksys pc card.... |
| 11:26.08 | l0c4lh0st | So there's nothing I can do to make this WLAN USB stick work... |
| 11:26.16 | wols_ | abortd: that is all fine but not your chip. |
| 11:26.26 | liable | linksys are often atheros chips |
| 11:26.26 | abortd | what chip?! |
| 11:26.26 | l0c4lh0st | abortd: He asks about the chip on the card, not the brand that is on the card |
| 11:26.29 | abortd | doritos?! |
| 11:26.33 | wols_ | the chip that is on your linksys card |
| 11:26.35 | jescis | Eulex: here it is: http://www.pastebin.ca/925881 |
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| 11:26.38 | liable | abortd: we need the actuall chip name |
| 11:26.41 | abortd | i dont know... |
| 11:26.51 | wols_ | !tell abortd what's my hardware |
| 11:27.00 | wols_ | !tell abortd about what's my hardware |
| 11:27.03 | abortd | i didnt pay that close of attention |
| 11:27.19 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, there might be a way of getting the new 80211 wireless stack into your kernel, but it might require manual patching. didn't find any ready-made such from a little googling either. the easier way is to get a newer kernel. |
| 11:27.20 | wols_ | abortd: and we don't have a crystal ball |
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| 11:27.38 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: And by newer kernel you mean lenny? |
| 11:27.39 | wols_ | Eulex: does rt73 have a driver for the new stack? |
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| 11:27.49 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: kernel backport is enough |
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| 11:28.13 | l0c4lh0st | I'm now running etch, did apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday |
| 11:28.20 | l0c4lh0st | So I'm running the latest possible afaik |
| 11:28.21 | abortd | is there a need for a smartass comment? |
| 11:28.28 | abortd | when i didnt say you did? |
| 11:28.43 | Eulex | wols_, sorry? well, the rt2x00 driver obviously requires the new stack from his build log above. it misses net/mac80211.h. |
| 11:28.44 | abortd | i took the advice from dpkg |
| 11:28.49 | abortd | to find out |
| 11:28.52 | abortd | so i could tell you |
| 11:28.56 | abortd | and you say that to me? |
| 11:28.56 | wols_ | Eulex: oops. didn't look |
| 11:29.08 | wols_ | abortd: I made dpkg tell it to you |
| 11:29.15 | abortd | i know you did |
| 11:29.21 | Eulex | wols_, he had problems with the rt73 driver |
| 11:29.26 | l0c4lh0st | abortd: You have this PCI card, which came in a Linksys box, the card has a chip on it which basically does all the wireless stuff, you need to look at that chip to find the brand |
| 11:29.28 | wols_ | Eulex: that I know by now :) |
| 11:29.44 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, I've been here for the past few days lol |
| 11:29.45 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: l0c4lh0st you are off to fun kernel compile land :) |
| 11:29.46 | l0c4lh0st | RT73 trouble |
| 11:30.15 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: are you actually compiling on that arm? |
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| 11:30.18 | HSorgYves | i need to use a udev rule to modify the group for the partition where mysql innodb tables will be stored; which id should i give to the rules file? 042? z52? |
| 11:30.19 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, I am |
| 11:30.26 | l0c4lh0st | Well, only this driver. Other stuff I just apt-get install |
| 11:30.28 | l0c4lh0st | and it works |
| 11:30.56 | Haris1 | When I tell the linux box through ip route, the vpn server box is through this interface, and the rest is through that interface, does the linux box send/route all vpn traffic (multiple ports) through one mentioned interface or does it send part of that traffic over the second? this is a transparent nat box |
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| 11:31.49 | l0c4lh0st | So does anyone have a guide for kernel compiling arm, so I can install this wlan driver? |
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| 11:32.27 | wols_ | !tell l0c4lh0st about kernel-package |
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| 11:33.04 | l0c4lh0st | And this won't hurt my box? |
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| 11:33.21 | l0c4lh0st | The only way I can access it is through LAN, so if that somehow goes down I'm dead :P |
| 11:33.46 | Eulex | jescis, sorry, I can't find anything wrong in those logs. |
| 11:33.52 | zulu | what should one do in a preinst custom debian packager script to abort installation (failed-install) ?? |
| 11:34.32 | Eulex | zulu, exit with a non-zero code |
| 11:34.40 | abortd | im not seeing the chip in hwinfo and i cant see the chip just by opening the case so i guess i will have to wait |
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| 11:34.47 | l0c4lh0st | ok, Eulex / wols_ there's this: http://pastebin.ca/925891 |
| 11:35.03 | l0c4lh0st | Under the alias: lines, the vendor ID of my wlan card isn't there |
| 11:35.06 | abortd | tells me what driver |
| 11:35.09 | abortd | but thats about it |
| 11:35.11 | jescis | what about the worning at 1706 down? |
| 11:35.13 | wols_ | abortd: it is a pci card? |
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| 11:35.18 | abortd | yes |
| 11:35.28 | l0c4lh0st | And someone else has this: http://pastebin.ca/925892 |
| 11:35.33 | zulu | eulex thx |
| 11:35.38 | wols_ | abortd: lspci will show you |
| 11:35.40 | l0c4lh0st | So I know what aliases to add, maybe it'll work |
| 11:35.45 | l0c4lh0st | But I don't know how to add those |
| 11:36.03 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, did you compile the rt73usb module? |
| 11:36.11 | l0c4lh0st | No, the rt2x00 |
| 11:36.32 | l0c4lh0st | But I believe it makes the rt73usb module |
| 11:36.47 | wols_ | don't "believe", check! |
| 11:36.49 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, you could try patching the etch rt2x00 driver to recognize the right vendor id. |
| 11:36.59 | abortd | Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01) |
| 11:37.01 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, but how Eulex :) |
| 11:37.03 | abortd | would that be it? |
| 11:37.07 | wols_ | yes |
| 11:37.09 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, abortd |
| 11:37.19 | wols_ | !ralink |
| 11:37.19 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (product list: http://ralink.rapla.net/). They are notable for releasing software interface specs and - more or less buggy - GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for RT2400, RT2500 and RT2570 (for RT2561, ask about <rt61>). Use <module-assistant> to install (eg. "m-a a-i rt2500"). Also ask about <rt2x00>. |
| 11:37.23 | l0c4lh0st | I guess you're on the same hell as me... |
| 11:37.37 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, you'll have to traverse the source and find where it lists the vendor ids, then add yours there |
| 11:37.41 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: no he isn't. his is in etch |
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| 11:37.45 | krinns | hi all |
| 11:37.49 | l0c4lh0st | Mine is etch too |
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| 11:37.53 | abortd | in etch? |
| 11:37.58 | l0c4lh0st | Just not with the right vendor ID |
| 11:37.59 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: rt73 in etch? since wheen? |
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| 11:38.19 | l0c4lh0st | rt2x00-source and rt73-source are both in etch |
| 11:38.23 | l0c4lh0st | afaik |
| 11:38.35 | wols_ | info rt73-source etch |
| 11:38.38 | wols_ | !info rt73-source etch |
| 11:38.45 | abortd | etch? |
| 11:38.46 | l0c4lh0st | !info rt73-source etch |
| 11:38.54 | wols_ | !etch |
| 11:38.54 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 11:39.04 | abortd | oh |
| 11:39.08 | Sheogorath | Bisous Naischa_play. <3 |
| 11:39.11 | l0c4lh0st | !info rt73-source etch |
| 11:39.19 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: stop that!" |
| 11:39.19 | krinns | i have 4 disks i want to do raid on on all 4 disks |
| 11:39.21 | krinns | what i do |
| 11:39.31 | l0c4lh0st | -12:38:32- (dpkg) Someone already said that 8 seconds ago |
| 11:39.31 | l0c4lh0st | -12:38:58- (dpkg) Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:39.38 | wols_ | krinns: install with raid? |
| 11:39.39 | l0c4lh0st | sorry for flood |
| 11:39.46 | krinns | i kn |
| 11:39.56 | wols_ | !tell krinns about ig |
| 11:39.56 | prahal | hi shouldn't <match key="linux.subsystem" contains="usb"> <append key="atest" type="string">test</append> </match> append atest to any hal entries of the usb type ? It has no effect there (I put the file in /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-nokia-6680.fdi) . I am trying to find out if any rule could work because the real one do not |
| 11:40.00 | krinns | what i want raid 1 on 2 disks and same on other 2 disks |
| 11:40.04 | l0c4lh0st | So where can I find the source? :) |
| 11:40.04 | krinns | what i do |
| 11:40.20 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.22 | l0c4lh0st | I think I should be able to find the vendor ID's |
| 11:40.24 | l0c4lh0st | yes, I see |
| 11:40.29 | Superbartt | rt73 isn't in etch, only in testing and unstable |
| 11:40.37 | Superbartt | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rt73&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 11:40.37 | sajanek | hello, how can i install it ( http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtkmm2.4.html) into my system from packets? if i do "apt-get install gtkmm2.4, i'll get an error "gtkmm2.4 not found") |
| 11:40.40 | abortd | is there a live cd for debian? |
| 11:40.51 | wols_ | Kizmet: you install onto the first raid and create the 2nd one after installation |
| 11:40.55 | wols_ | !live CD |
| 11:40.55 | dpkg | hmm... livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 11:41.35 | l0c4lh0st | lol, why would they put it only in testing and unstable? :/ |
| 11:41.36 | abortd | i dunno i need to read the webpage more |
| 11:41.41 | jescis | that's a resounding no ;) |
| 11:41.57 | l0c4lh0st | But I do have rt2x00-source on my box, how can I find the source files to add the vendor IDs? |
| 11:42.03 | Superbartt | l0c4lh0st because it's not stable yet? :P |
| 11:42.51 | l0c4lh0st | So basically this WLAN stick is useless untill those dudes finally get it stable? |
| 11:42.52 | jescis | Eulex: so, do you think I was too impatiant after it did all that? |
| 11:43.00 | Eulex | jescis, no. |
| 11:43.06 | Superbartt | l0c4lh0st ofcourse not :P you are running linux remember :+ |
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| 11:43.24 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, that it's not in etch doesn't mean that you cannot use it on etch. |
| 11:43.54 | l0c4lh0st | well it did... Trying the lenny rt2x00 (with my vendor ID in it) gave me all sorts of errors |
| 11:44.00 | l0c4lh0st | something with 80211 packages |
| 11:44.08 | Superbartt | you could just try fetching the package from ( http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rt73&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all ) and try to install it :p |
| 11:44.13 | jel | Pinning question: if I just want to install an odd package from etch that's missing in sid, all I need to to is add the etch sources, and pin that release to something between 101 and 499, right? |
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| 11:44.27 | Superbartt | or get the source and read the special debian readmes on how they compiled it etc. |
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| 11:44.33 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, well, that's for _one_ package. and the reason is that you have a too old kernel. it will work with a newer one. |
| 11:44.54 | themill | jel: you probably need to recompile it though rather than just trying to stuff the sid package into etch |
| 11:44.55 | l0c4lh0st | So how to get a new kernel... I have the latest etch kernel, isn't that new enough? :/ |
| 11:44.55 | abortd | so how do i do net install if i have to have debian loaded before i can fix the wlan card |
| 11:45.08 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, no. |
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| 11:45.10 | Superbartt | bb |
| 11:45.20 | l0c4lh0st | 2.6.18-6-ixp4xx <-- uname -r |
| 11:45.33 | themill | !tell jel about simple sid backport |
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| 11:45.55 | l0c4lh0st | :/ |
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| 11:46.22 | l0c4lh0st | ok, Eulex, what kernel should I end up with? |
| 11:46.27 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, usually you can get a .deb of a kernel from testing and unstable and just dpkg -i it |
| 11:46.30 | l0c4lh0st | 2.6.??-?-ixp4xx? |
| 11:46.33 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, you could try http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.22-3-ixp4xx |
| 11:46.45 | ApOgEE- | hi all |
| 11:46.46 | abortd | they dont have the file for my device :/ |
| 11:47.05 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: Just apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-3-ixp4xx? |
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| 11:47.24 | jel | themill: no, other way around. Running sid, want an etch package which is no longer maintained. |
| 11:47.35 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, no. download the .deb, dpkg -i it. |
| 11:47.43 | l0c4lh0st | okay, thanks |
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| 11:47.50 | l0c4lh0st | I'll first remove the rt2x00 packages |
| 11:47.55 | l0c4lh0st | And rt73* |
| 11:48.02 | l0c4lh0st | Or is that not a wise idea? |
| 11:48.04 | themill | jel: gah.... yes... must read more carefully when caffeine levels are low. |
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| 11:48.10 | jel | themill: :) |
| 11:48.22 | themill | jel: what's the package? there's a good chance it was removed for a reason. |
| 11:48.31 | jel | themill: apache 1.x. |
| 11:48.44 | jel | themill: and, more specifically, mod-perl 1 |
| 11:48.49 | themill | then there's a *very* good reason it was removed. It's no longer supported upstream. |
| 11:48.54 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, the kernel modules you have already build are for the 2.6.18 kernel. they won't do anything at all for a 2.6.22 kernel, just keep them. |
| 11:48.59 | jel | themill: yea, I know :) |
| 11:49.04 | ApOgEE- | my system timezone is different when i read from a script (run as service)... where to set it instead of ~/.profile? |
| 11:49.09 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, you will also want to keep the source for the rt2x00 driver. |
| 11:49.22 | l0c4lh0st | okay... If you say so =) |
| 11:49.30 | l0c4lh0st | Now going to dpkg that image then |
| 11:49.39 | jel | so sid's default pin priority is 500, installed packages are 100, and anything in between should be fine for etch, right? |
| 11:49.49 | abortd | what kernel does debian use? |
| 11:49.52 | ManuP | i did nat for 91200-91400 and added firewall-rule to allow these ports, but i cant connect to the ftp-server. it hangs up at passive-mode |
| 11:50.03 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: You're saying it should work, right? |
| 11:50.06 | jel | abortd: the linux one, usually ;) |
| 11:50.11 | abortd | version |
| 11:50.18 | abortd | ..... |
| 11:50.23 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, it should. |
| 11:50.26 | l0c4lh0st | I'm kinda worried I'll loose access to my box, since it has only a LAN port which I can use to access it |
| 11:50.38 | jel | abortd: probably the latest or very close |
| 11:50.50 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, when that thing is booting, can you choose what kernel to boot through grub? |
| 11:50.51 | abortd | jel thanks very informative! |
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| 11:51.01 | l0c4lh0st | no |
| 11:51.05 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, or does it just boot the default one? |
| 11:51.11 | l0c4lh0st | I don't know... |
| 11:51.20 | l0c4lh0st | When I boot it, I just wait till the SSH server comes up |
| 11:51.28 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, you'd indeed have problems if the new kernel doesn't boot then |
| 11:51.30 | l0c4lh0st | Then I can login and get into the console |
| 11:51.36 | ApOgEE- | i've already export the TZ in /etc/profile but the timezone is still not set |
| 11:51.46 | jel | abortd: you can find out exactly on packages.debian.org if you like. |
| 11:51.51 | ApOgEE- | can anyone help me? |
| 11:52.10 | wols_ | !tell abortd about search |
| 11:52.21 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: Is there a way to replace the kernel? So I will only have the new kernel and not the old one anymore? |
| 11:52.22 | ApOgEE- | i just updated my debian-arm to etch |
| 11:52.25 | wols_ | !tell ApOgEE- about tzconfig |
| 11:52.29 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, there's always a risk. a new kernel might need slightly different kernel parameters. |
| 11:52.40 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, if you dpkg -i the new, you'll have both installed. |
| 11:52.42 | themill | jel: you have a reasonable chance of getting that to work. But you might be better off investing the time in getting your mod_perl v1-requireing package up to date so it can run with something a little newer. |
| 11:52.51 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, and I believe it would choose the newer one to boot, by default |
| 11:53.03 | l0c4lh0st | Is there a way to check that? Before installing |
| 11:53.03 | wols_ | jel: if you pin between etch and sid you have a broken debian in no time, and no one will support you in here |
| 11:53.17 | l0c4lh0st | It's not good to have a boot menu on this box, hehe |
| 11:53.21 | l0c4lh0st | Since I can't choose 1 or 2 :P |
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| 11:53.38 | themill | !tell jescis about root |
| 11:53.43 | jel | wols_: I'll try very hard not to break it ;) |
| 11:53.59 | wols_ | jel: if you mix packages from both it already IS broken |
| 11:54.11 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:54.12 | ApOgEE- | wols_, i've done tzconfig but still didn't work |
| 11:54.23 | wols_ | !tell ApOgEE- about doesn't work |
| 11:54.26 | themill | jel: you might be better to grab the etch source code and recompile if for sid. |
| 11:54.27 | l0c4lh0st | I don't have a grub directory |
| 11:54.36 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: what bootloader? |
| 11:54.39 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, you don't? are you using lilo then perhaps? |
| 11:54.48 | jel | wols_: installing apache 1 shouldn't affect apache2 much, should it? They co-existed for a long time. |
| 11:54.53 | l0c4lh0st | No lilo either |
| 11:55.03 | wols_ | ApOgEE-: when is that script/daemon run (linux has no services) |
| 11:55.08 | l0c4lh0st | I don't think it has a bootloader.. |
| 11:55.13 | Eulex | it must have |
| 11:55.30 | wols_ | jel: last I checked you can have only one of them iirc. but it might be possible since their naming is different apache2 vs apache |
| 11:55.32 | l0c4lh0st | well it is the NSLU2, maybe it's somewhat different on there |
| 11:55.33 | jel | themill: that would mean recompiling all the apache modules as well. Not fun. If it was that bad, I'd probably look at debootstrapping etch. |
| 11:55.55 | themill | jel: eww... that might be more problematic as the package in sid won't be set up for such coexistence. |
| 11:56.07 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex / wols_: Here's a paste of some relevant output: http://pastebin.ca/925902 |
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| 11:56.21 | ApOgEE- | wols_, sorry for that... it's a daemon. i run it in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 11:56.39 | jel | fun times :) |
| 11:56.42 | krinns | wols? |
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| 11:57.10 | jel | Well, this is all in a virtual machine right now, so I'll give it a shot and see how it works out I guess. |
| 11:57.37 | themill | jel: what are you planning to actually do? |
| 11:57.38 | wols_ | krinns: install with to the first 2disk raid and then create the 2nd 2disk raid after install |
| 11:57.42 | l0c4lh0st | jel: If you're on VMware, maybe it's a good idea to make a snapshot now, and then start doing your scary stuff |
| 11:57.44 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, ok. well, I wouldn't install a new kernel without knowing how the machine is booting a kernel at boot... |
| 11:57.49 | ManuP | can someone try to connect via ftp to 84.58.191.152 as user ftp? |
| 11:58.00 | krinns | what u mean |
| 11:58.03 | jel | l0c4lh0st: VirtualBox, but yep, done. |
| 11:58.20 | krinns | in 2 disk with raid 1 i create / /boot m swap partitions |
| 11:58.27 | krinns | and install system |
| 11:58.30 | krinns | then what i do |
| 11:58.43 | Eulex | ManuP, I don't even get to login |
| 11:58.59 | ManuP | Eulex, hmm... thats weird |
| 11:59.05 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: Hm, oops, I accidentally started it anyway *grin* |
| 11:59.14 | krinns | wols u r talking abt software raid |
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| 11:59.41 | l0c4lh0st | now let's hope the NSLU2 will survive it ^^ |
| 11:59.42 | Eulex | ManuP, eh, that is, it is just trying to make a connection without succeeding |
| 11:59.53 | Nyle | spam goddamit |
| 12:00.06 | ManuP | Eulex, erm, it hangs up at passive mode, doesnt it? |
| 12:00.09 | Nyle | what is this nslu |
| 12:00.12 | wols_ | !dmraid |
| 12:00.12 | dpkg | fakeraid is, like, term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). |
| 12:00.18 | Nyle | sounds like a state university tome |
| 12:00.20 | l0c4lh0st | !tell Nyle about nslu2 |
| 12:00.21 | Nyle | !nslu |
| 12:00.23 | l0c4lh0st | Will that work? |
| 12:00.27 | Nyle | !nslu2 |
| 12:00.27 | dpkg | from memory, nslu2 is a "Network Storage Link" (NAS) device produced by Linksys, see http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Sections-article85-page3.php, or http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ |
| 12:00.29 | Nyle | oh nm |
| 12:00.37 | ApOgEE- | wols_, it's ok... now it's fixed |
| 12:00.40 | Eulex | ManuP, no idea what my browser tries. but well, now it eventually managed to connect and give me a login box |
| 12:00.51 | ApOgEE- | wols_, thank you |
| 12:01.17 | ManuP | hmm... can you try to connect with a ftp-program which allows you to upload files? |
| 12:01.35 | l0c4lh0st | Going well so far |
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| 12:02.15 | wols_ | ManuP: is this ftp server behind NAT? |
| 12:02.41 | l0c4lh0st | It's now building the ramdisk :] |
| 12:02.49 | ManuP | wols_, behind a router. i added nat for ports 21 and 49100 to 49400 (for passive mode) |
| 12:02.58 | wols_ | ManuP: and 20? |
| 12:03.03 | Nyle | d300 ports? |
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| 12:03.24 | Nyle | 20+21-d |
| 12:03.33 | Nyle | what is goi gon |
| 12:03.34 | ManuP | wols_, why 20? |
| 12:03.36 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, would be interesting to see what it says after doing that. if you run grub, it then usually updates menu.lst and so... it might give a clue to what boot loader you have. |
| 12:03.40 | acxty | Hi, I got a question, every time I turn on the computer and the debian start booting, there is a part where it looks for a dhcp ip address for the wlan and the eth0, this take almost a minute only on that, how can I disable for doing that on booting time? |
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| 12:03.55 | ManuP | wols_, i set in proftpd port to 20 |
| 12:03.59 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: Well there's no menu.lst or even a bootloader |
| 12:04.05 | Nyle | acxty: manually setup static ip |
| 12:04.14 | wols_ | ManuP: did you portforward port 20? |
| 12:04.19 | l0c4lh0st | I think it just sets in the Flash (the NSLU2 has 4 MB of flash memory) what to boot |
| 12:04.39 | ManuP | acxty, look in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:04.43 | ManuP | wols_, no |
| 12:04.50 | wols_ | ManuP: you should |
| 12:04.53 | Nyle | cool |
| 12:04.58 | krinns | wols? |
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| 12:05.03 | krinns | do u get me |
| 12:05.04 | krinns | ? |
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| 12:05.11 | ManuP | wols_, sorry.. i meant i set proftp to port 21. so why should i need port 20? |
| 12:05.12 | wols_ | krinns: I did and I did answer you |
| 12:05.16 | acxty | The problem is that I move from one place to another, having static ip address will not be usefull for me |
| 12:05.21 | wols_ | Bidou: stop the pestering and the enter misuse |
| 12:05.27 | wols_ | !tell krinns about enter |
| 12:05.37 | Nyle | Bidou: ? |
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| 12:06.00 | Bidou | yes ? |
| 12:06.07 | Nyle | huh? |
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| 12:06.24 | Nyle | Bidou: why are you pestering? |
| 12:06.46 | Bidou | sorry, what ??? |
| 12:06.49 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: This is the output so far: http://pastebin.ca/925914 |
| 12:06.52 | ManuP | i forwarded 20 to 22 and 49100 to 49400 and the 49s ports are set for passive mode. |
| 12:07.02 | Nyle | but I didn't see you pester |
| 12:07.07 | Nyle | anyone |
| 12:07.12 | l0c4lh0st | Flashing kernel: done. <--- wee |
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| 12:07.18 | acxty | ManuP, what exactly should I look on network/interface |
| 12:07.40 | Bidou | what have i done ? |
| 12:07.47 | ManuP | acxty, you could set auto to #auto. so the interface wouldnt come up automatically. |
| 12:07.50 | humbolto | After resuming from hibernation (I can already use all apps), my HDD runs completely wild! Can anybody tell me, what it is doing? |
| 12:07.50 | l0c4lh0st | Maybe it's a good idea to just reinstall this box sometime =) There has been so much stuff on it, come and gone.. |
| 12:07.53 | Nyle | Bidou: I think wols is smoking crack |
| 12:08.06 | ManuP | acxty, that would mean you have to activate it manually if needed |
| 12:08.07 | krinns | wols plz explain once again |
| 12:08.15 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, wow |
| 12:08.15 | Nyle | Bidou: nevermind |
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| 12:08.27 | acxty | ManuP, then I should do ifup wlan and ifup eth0 after boot |
| 12:08.35 | ManuP | do i have to set sth. in iptables? |
| 12:08.35 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, it's actually flashing the kernel into the ROM of the nslu2? |
| 12:08.36 | l0c4lh0st | Flashing initramfs: done. |
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| 12:08.42 | ManuP | acxty, yeah |
| 12:08.42 | l0c4lh0st | It's done |
| 12:08.48 | humbolto | is there something like top for HDD access, so I can track which process is causing all this HDD traffic? |
| 12:08.48 | krinns | see i make raid partitions on 1 tow disks and install debin then what i do for next 2 disks |
| 12:08.52 | acxty | well, will try that right now, thanks |
| 12:08.55 | krinns | wols |
| 12:08.55 | krinns | plz |
| 12:08.56 | l0c4lh0st | How should I activate the new kernel now? |
| 12:08.57 | wols_ | Nyle: considering I'm on dialysis... |
| 12:09.00 | l0c4lh0st | Reboot? |
| 12:09.08 | wols_ | Bidou: sorry. bidou is the moron. |
| 12:09.10 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, I guess so |
| 12:09.11 | tarzeau | kexec ? |
| 12:09.15 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: and pray |
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| 12:09.34 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: don't forget the goat sacrifices |
| 12:09.38 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, now I'm getting nervous, didn't know that it would actually flash the ROM with that new kernel... |
| 12:09.50 | l0c4lh0st | and if it doesn't work.. I'm going to have some fun re-installing my box keke |
| 12:09.52 | Nyle | wols_: whats that? |
| 12:10.00 | Nyle | medicine? |
| 12:10.02 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: Makes sense, doesn't it? |
| 12:10.07 | Nyle | are you sick? |
| 12:10.30 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, the lights at boot are still as normal |
| 12:10.34 | wols_ | Nyle: my kidneys have failed. fyi: it can happen if you smoke mary jane excessively too (and no I am NOT joking) |
| 12:10.43 | l0c4lh0st | Blinking, red....... turn to orange |
| 12:10.58 | l0c4lh0st | USB thumbdrive is blinking, so it's loading something |
| 12:11.12 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, well, let's just say that I'm sorry if it doesn't work... |
| 12:11.15 | Nyle | wols_: sure, but I never drink, I was once a victim of that low level hepetitis when I was 12, I sometimes drink too |
| 12:11.40 | l0c4lh0st | Now gotta wait till SSH is up |
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| 12:11.48 | Nyle | wols_: but that sucks, im sure you can buy a kidney off the market somewhere |
| 12:11.49 | zyx386 | hi |
| 12:11.53 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: Don't be :) I'm the one upgrading a kernel |
| 12:12.03 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, orange light becomes green |
| 12:12.07 | l0c4lh0st | Should be almost done |
| 12:12.09 | Nyle | wols_: smoking? I doubt it |
| 12:12.12 | wols_ | Nyle: that is one of the most moronic and callouse statements you made ever. fuck off |
| 12:12.13 | zyx386 | i well install vodavone mobile driver for klinux, but ican't |
| 12:12.16 | l0c4lh0st | lol thursley |
| 12:12.25 | wols_ | zyx386: klinux? |
| 12:12.32 | Nyle | wols_: you misunderstand me |
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| 12:12.39 | wols_ | no I don't. buying organs |
| 12:12.43 | zyx386 | wols_: !! |
| 12:12.44 | l0c4lh0st | kk |
| 12:12.46 | zyx386 | in debian |
| 12:12.46 | Nyle | wols_: I have very bad kidneys too |
| 12:12.47 | acxty | ManuP, yes that did the job thanks |
| 12:12.49 | l0c4lh0st | Just got myself a brand new kernel |
| 12:12.51 | l0c4lh0st | \o/ |
| 12:12.53 | zyx386 | https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/frs/?group_id=12 |
| 12:12.53 | Nyle | wols_: my point wass, I understand :/ |
| 12:12.55 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: gt |
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| 12:13.04 | ManuP | acxty, np |
| 12:13.04 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 12:13.12 | Nyle | wols_: you ever seen touristas? |
| 12:13.13 | wols_ | Nyle: someone who advocates buying organs doesn't understand fuck all |
| 12:13.15 | ManuP | moin ^^ |
| 12:13.22 | zyx386 | wols_: soory for Linux |
| 12:13.38 | wols_ | zyx386: ask vodafone. their software? |
| 12:13.41 | l0c4lh0st | Maybe I should try flashing lenny on this box |
| 12:13.51 | Nyle | wols_: if you had seen the movie you'd know but I suppose you want to be a dick about it |
| 12:13.55 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: don't get ahead of yourself |
| 12:13.59 | zyx386 | her is debian suppot? wols_ |
| 12:14.00 | Nyle | wols_: w/e man |
| 12:14.10 | l0c4lh0st | I don't, but lenny is cool imo :P |
| 12:14.14 | wols_ | zyx386: yes. is that vodavonf softwre in debian? |
| 12:14.23 | kanaldrache | We used libpam-devperm for a long time now in our sarge installtions ... now we are preparing to switch to etch and wondered if libpam-devperm is still the way to go, or if there's another central management system to change device modes according to the logged in user? |
| 12:14.35 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, the whole operating system isn't located in flash is it? |
| 12:14.51 | l0c4lh0st | I don't think it is |
| 12:14.52 | wols_ | Eulex: show me a dbeian that fits in 4MB flash :) |
| 12:14.59 | ManuP | Eulex, can you try again? user: ftp, pw: ftp |
| 12:15.01 | l0c4lh0st | I have the /etc, /var, /lib etc. on my thumbdrive |
| 12:15.22 | Eulex | wols_, :) |
| 12:15.22 | l0c4lh0st | But in the flash there's code to make the LAN ports work, boot the rootfs from the thumbdrive |
| 12:15.29 | Nyle | wols_: thats probably why you have no friends |
| 12:15.41 | Nyle | it seems. |
| 12:15.50 | wols_ | Nyle: I have ETHICAL friends. now fuck off |
| 12:15.53 | Nyle | people try to be nice to you and you tell em to fuck off |
| 12:15.54 | zyx386 | i become this error "Dependecy is not Statisftable: python" ,what is wrong? wols_? |
| 12:16.03 | Nyle | wols_: that was a joke you dumb fucking moron |
| 12:16.04 | wols_ | it is NOT nice to the "donors" |
| 12:16.11 | Nyle | now YOU fuck off. |
| 12:16.16 | l0c4lh0st | Nyle: Would you please stop this... |
| 12:16.21 | themill | Nyle, wols_: please guys.... it's not pleasant for either of you or anyone else watching. |
| 12:16.26 | wols_ | Nyle: nice to make jokes about people who will be sick for the rest of their lifes |
| 12:16.31 | Eulex | ManuP, works quickly now. |
| 12:16.39 | Nyle | wols_: im in the same boat you are mother fucker. quit judgin me |
| 12:16.45 | Nyle | get a sense of humor or stfu. |
| 12:16.54 | ManuP | Eulex, what do you mean? the connection? did you see a file? |
| 12:16.55 | wols_ | Nyle: you have terminal kidney falire? hemo or capd? |
| 12:17.00 | l0c4lh0st | So now that I've updated to .22, I should have the IEEE80211 stuff? |
| 12:17.05 | wols_ | *failure |
| 12:17.05 | Nyle | wols_: any day, I need a replacement |
| 12:17.06 | Eulex | ManuP, I saw two files even ^^ |
| 12:17.13 | themill | !ot |
| 12:17.13 | dpkg | [ot] Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 12:17.13 | eth01 | err, language? |
| 12:17.15 | Nyle | wols_: you didn't read the line about me being a hep victim |
| 12:17.16 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:17.26 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, yes, you should. |
| 12:17.26 | zyx386 | i can't install .deb :-( i becomme this error i become this error "Dependecy is not Statisftable: python" ,what is wrong? can everyone HELP? |
| 12:17.28 | l0c4lh0st | geez, this isn't fun... |
| 12:17.29 | wols_ | Nyle: what's your kreatinin? |
| 12:17.30 | ManuP | Eulex, could you write to the dir? |
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| 12:17.39 | l0c4lh0st | Eulex: I'll try installing the rt2x00 again then :) |
| 12:17.45 | wols_ | zyx386: where is the deb from? |
| 12:17.49 | fiendishfish | ROFL |
| 12:17.52 | fiendishfish | Nyle got pwnt. |
| 12:17.53 | Eulex | ManuP, mozilla can just read from ftp :) |
| 12:17.57 | fiendishfish | Fuckin' hep victim |
| 12:17.57 | fiendishfish | rofl |
| 12:17.58 | Nyle | wols_: dunno, never bothered worrying about anything, I live my life 1 day at a time bro. 1 day at a time. |
| 12:18.03 | ManuP | Eulex, right. |
| 12:18.08 | l0c4lh0st | Why don't you all stop this nonsense? |
| 12:18.22 | eth01 | yet again, you let a troll effect your little precious life. |
| 12:18.24 | fiendishfish | Nyle, go back to #hepatitisanonymous |
| 12:18.24 | eth01 | yawn. |
| 12:18.26 | wols_ | zyx386: and what does its dependencies say exactly? |
| 12:18.33 | Nyle | why attack me? |
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| 12:18.41 | Nyle | wtf |
| 12:18.49 | themill | Nyle, wols_: enough. |
| 12:18.59 | brubelsabs | Are there any packages for the joomla project? ATM I can't access backports. |
| 12:19.08 | l0c4lh0st | ENOUGH |
| 12:19.19 | eth01 | brubelsabs, not really. |
| 12:19.22 | azeem | fiendishfish: please keep it on ropic |
| 12:19.23 | *** part/#debian pngwn (i=pngwn@support.the1stamendment.org) |
| 12:19.25 | azeem | eh, topic |
| 12:19.27 | eth01 | brubelsabs, go grab the source and do it yourself. |
| 12:19.37 | ManuP | it always hangs up: 227 Entering Passive Mode (84,58,191,152,43,160). |
| 12:19.39 | ManuP | why? |
| 12:19.41 | brubelsabs | but how do they update their software with security fixes? |
| 12:19.44 | l0c4lh0st | eth01, lol, nice nickname :D |
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| 12:19.55 | wols_ | brubelsabs: they don't |
| 12:20.01 | brubelsabs | ahrrharahrhrhrahrarh |
| 12:20.03 | eth01 | brubelsabs, they'll repackage it and then send it out sorta |
| 12:20.08 | fiendishfish | azeem, yes, let me just read the ropic |
| 12:20.13 | fiendishfish | * ropic :Unknown command |
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| 12:20.43 | eth01 | l0c4lh0st, :P |
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| 12:21.11 | brubelsabs | ok, does some one use joomla in a production-work system? |
| 12:21.16 | *** join/#debian sim1 (n=sime@c122-106-99-223.rivrw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 12:21.32 | eth01 | :> |
| 12:21.36 | themill | brubelsabs: god no |
| 12:21.56 | l0c4lh0st | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=linux-image+ixp4xx Would it be nice to upgrade to the newest linux-image? :) |
| 12:22.12 | brubelsabs | ok, any other _small_ CMS? Plone? Typo3 is really complex |
| 12:22.21 | sim1 | When I use `at` to schedule "echo Hello World" where is it output to ? |
| 12:22.29 | l0c4lh0st | Wordpress? |
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| 12:22.42 | ``y7 | how do you print a file in joe? |
| 12:22.50 | brubelsabs | l0c4lh0st: debian package? |
| 12:23.06 | l0c4lh0st | I don't know, try apt-cache search wordpress |
| 12:23.16 | l0c4lh0st | Otherwise download the package and put it in your www folder |
| 12:23.30 | l0c4lh0st | (with package I mean the PHP files from the author's site) |
| 12:23.37 | brubelsabs | l0c4lh0st: version 2.0.10 is in etch |
| 12:23.48 | acxty | a way of running a script as root when gdm is loaded. I have a file that uses root-tail to read /var/log/syslog but it can only be run as root, chmod 777 did the job but next reboot it goes back as it was |
| 12:23.48 | l0c4lh0st | try that one |
| 12:23.56 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 12:25.29 | ``y7 | how do you print a file in joe? |
| 12:26.03 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.22-3-ixp4xx doesn't work |
| 12:26.07 | l0c4lh0st | says the package was not found |
| 12:26.20 | l0c4lh0st | Should I add unstable and testing to my sources.list too? |
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| 12:27.53 | l0c4lh0st | What can I do about this? http://pastebin.ca/925932 |
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| 12:28.23 | liable | l0c4lh0st: if the headers for your running kernel are no longer in lenny/sid, then there ius likely a newer kernel available |
| 12:28.36 | ferret_0567 | I need /sbin/v86d and null, mem, zero devices in /dev created in my initrds |
| 12:28.43 | l0c4lh0st | How should I get that new kernel? |
| 12:28.47 | ferret_0567 | is there any way to get this all to automagically work on update-initramfs? |
| 12:29.48 | l0c4lh0st | liable |
| 12:30.08 | l0c4lh0st | oh, wait, I'm trying to install the wrong package lol. |
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| 12:32.47 | l0c4lh0st | Hm,, there are 2 found: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-headers-2.6.22-3-ixp4xx Which one should I pick? |
| 12:32.55 | l0c4lh0st | backports, or security |
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| 12:34.09 | Spida | where do I get a video1396 module for a kernel? |
| 12:34.17 | l0c4lh0st | I think I need etch-backport |
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| 12:36.45 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: neither |
| 12:36.56 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: what kernel version did you build? |
| 12:36.58 | nebM0ft | Whats the app that allows and dissalows various hosts to various ports? |
| 12:37.12 | l0c4lh0st | I now have 2.6.22-3-ixp4xx |
| 12:37.15 | eth01 | water? |
| 12:37.17 | wols_ | nebM0ft: a firewall. look up iptables or for a nice gui, firestarter |
| 12:37.31 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: that has mac80211? |
| 12:37.38 | nebM0ft | wols_: there's some standard linux app iirc |
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| 12:37.50 | l0c4lh0st | description: IEEE 802.11 subsystem |
| 12:37.53 | l0c4lh0st | I believe it does :) |
| 12:37.53 | wols_ | nebM0ft: yes. and I told you which one |
| 12:38.00 | l0c4lh0st | vermagic: 2.6.22-3-ixp4xx mod_unload ARMv5 |
| 12:38.13 | nebM0ft | :) |
| 12:38.29 | l0c4lh0st | wols_ that's a good thing right? |
| 12:38.34 | nebM0ft | wols_: iptables uses /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny? |
| 12:38.47 | wols_ | nebM0ft: no. tcpwrappers does |
| 12:38.57 | ttf | hi all - is backports.org down? |
| 12:39.09 | ttf | I can't reach the webserver |
| 12:39.10 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: so you didn't compile it yoursefl but install a leny backport kernel? |
| 12:39.24 | wols_ | ttf: seems so |
| 12:39.28 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, I downloaded a deb package |
| 12:39.33 | ttf | ok |
| 12:39.43 | l0c4lh0st | This one: linux-image-2.6.22-3-ixp4xx_2.6.22-6.lenny1_arm.deb |
| 12:39.44 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: since it's currently down you will have a hard time downloading haders :( |
| 12:40.21 | nebM0ft | wols_: does tcpwrappers use iptables? |
| 12:40.34 | l0c4lh0st | I think I need to change my sources.list file now, now that I have 2.6.22-6 lenny1 |
| 12:40.35 | wols_ | nebM0ft: no |
| 12:40.38 | l0c4lh0st | Or not, wols_? |
| 12:40.38 | wols_ | !tcpwrappers |
| 12:40.59 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: no. download the headers from lenny but nothing else. you can do via packages.debian.org |
| 12:41.10 | l0c4lh0st | Yes I just did. |
| 12:41.21 | Nyle | wols_: msg |
| 12:41.21 | l0c4lh0st | These: linux-headers-2.6.22-3-ixp4xx_2.6.22-6.lenny1_arm.deb |
| 12:41.24 | l0c4lh0st | Sounds right? |
| 12:41.39 | Adys | Could anyone recommend me a powerful, non java-based hex editor for linux? |
| 12:41.43 | wols_ | yea. sounds about right. you can check with dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
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| 12:42.10 | wols_ | Adys: apt-cache search hexedi |
| 12:42.38 | l0c4lh0st | wols_: Output: http://pastebin.ca/925937 |
| 12:42.45 | Adys | wols_: I havent tried any of them, hence why Im asking if someone else likes one specifically :) |
| 12:43.24 | l0c4lh0st | Is that good to go? |
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| 12:44.46 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-headers-2.6.22-3-ixp4xx&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
| 12:44.50 | wols_ | Adys: then start |
| 12:45.27 | l0c4lh0st | Thanks wols_ |
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| 12:45.48 | bolt | !nickometer l0c4lh0st |
| 12:45.49 | dpkg | 'l0c4lh0st' is 44.000% lame, bolt |
| 12:45.58 | Nyle | ha |
| 12:46.09 | Adys | wols_: Im asking if someone else knows a good one I should check out specifically. I know how to install and try them |
| 12:46.12 | et | !nickometer nebM0ft |
| 12:46.14 | dpkg | 'nebM0ft' is 22.000% lame, et |
| 12:46.17 | l0c4lh0st | Just did: SubZero:/data# dpkg -i linux-headers-2.6.22-3-ixp4xx_2.6.22-6.lenny1_arm.deb |
| 12:46.21 | wols_ | !tell Adys about best |
| 12:46.44 | Adys | Theres a difference between best and good :) |
| 12:46.56 | wols_ | it's the same question |
| 12:47.06 | l0c4lh0st | wols_: Little problem... http://pastebin.ca/925939 |
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| 12:47.35 | Adys | It isnt. Either way, I got some other help elsewhere, thanks anyway. |
| 12:47.47 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: try to inastall the exact packagenames it complains about |
| 12:47.55 | wols_ | you can put all 3 on one apt-get line |
| 12:47.55 | Nyle | awe I think he has me on ignore |
| 12:47.55 | l0c4lh0st | Now doing that. |
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| 12:49.55 | l0c4lh0st | wols_ no luck :/ http://pastebin.ca/925940 |
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| 12:50.32 | l0c4lh0st | I think I should add lenny to sources.list |
| 12:50.42 | madMadam_myr | hi! |
| 12:50.56 | madMadam_myr | where can I get the debian version without gui? |
| 12:51.11 | l0c4lh0st | wols_ or not? |
| 12:51.13 | madMadam_myr | maybe the one installable on floppy disk is without gui? |
| 12:51.14 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: duh! of course you need lenny if you use apt-get. sorry I didn't spot that |
| 12:51.15 | Nyle | !d-i madMadam_myr |
| 12:51.15 | dpkg | madMadam_myr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 12:51.21 | l0c4lh0st | heh |
| 12:51.54 | l0c4lh0st | That's my sources.list now, what should it become? http://pastebin.ca/925943 |
| 12:52.07 | l0c4lh0st | 'cause there is already lenny in it... |
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| 12:54.26 | l0c4lh0st | wols_ :) |
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| 12:55.23 | Nyle | madMadam_myr: you dont like the gui installer? |
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| 12:55.54 | madMadam_myr | oky tks so much ;p |
| 12:56.07 | Nyle | ok.... |
| 12:56.31 | madMadam_myr | no I meant a completely os without gui |
| 12:56.39 | Nyle | madMadam_myr: netinst |
| 12:56.52 | Nyle | !tell madMadam_myr -about netinst |
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| 12:57.28 | Nyle | madMadam_myr: doing a server? |
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| 12:58.35 | Nyle | hello? |
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| 13:01.32 | l0c4lh0st | wols_ are you still alive? |
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| 13:06.28 | l0c4lh0st | How do I add lenny to my sources.list? |
| 13:07.47 | Nyle | you want to do exctly what |
| 13:07.50 | Nyle | update to lenny? |
| 13:08.09 | Nyle | !etch->lenny |
| 13:08.09 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 13:08.18 | l0c4lh0st | No. I need some packages from lenny. |
| 13:08.28 | Nyle | don't mix em |
| 13:08.30 | l0c4lh0st | wols_ told me to add lenny to sources.list |
| 13:08.36 | Nyle | testing/unstable is ok |
| 13:08.42 | Nyle | but don't mix anything else with stable |
| 13:08.51 | Nyle | backports.org or make a backport yourself |
| 13:09.01 | Nyle | !simple sid packbort |
| 13:09.01 | l0c4lh0st | -13:51:00- (wols_) l0c4lh0st: duh! of course you need lenny if you use apt-get. sorry I didn't spot that |
| 13:09.18 | Nyle | dunno what kinda crack hes been smoking |
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| 13:09.24 | Nyle | I don't recomend doing that |
| 13:09.25 | prahal | sorry if someone already replied ... I had issue with my irc proxy . Do you have an fdi match rule that should always work ? I tried <match key="linux.subsystem" contains="usb"> <append key="atest" type="string">test</append> </match> but it does not match anything . hal tell the cache is dirty when I update the file with this rule but no "*Matching" appears |
| 13:09.29 | moldy | hi |
| 13:09.32 | Nyle | you need something from lenny/sid, backport it |
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| 13:10.01 | moldy | on a debian box of mine, inetd is listening on udp ports 517 and 518 -- why? |
| 13:10.27 | petemc | grep 517 /etc/services |
| 13:10.31 | liable | moldy: may help to check your inetd.conf |
| 13:10.35 | prahal | moldy, inetd is listening on ports defined in /etc/inet.conf |
| 13:10.46 | moldy | petemc: that is not my question |
| 13:10.54 | petemc | moldy: it answers it tho |
| 13:11.04 | moldy | petemc: no it does not |
| 13:11.10 | petemc | yes, it does |
| 13:11.10 | Nyle | petemc: that might not help, seeing as it is all your fault anyway ;) |
| 13:11.16 | snacky | wols_: do you run lenny? |
| 13:11.26 | moldy | inetd.conf does not contain ports 517 or 518 |
| 13:11.37 | moldy | grep 517 /etc/inetd.conf --> nothing |
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| 13:12.14 | prahal | moldy, inetd.conf uses named defined in /etc/services . grep 517 /etc/services then grep <servicename> /etc/inetd.conf |
| 13:12.17 | moldy | petemc: /etc/services only maps names to numbers, it does not tell me inetd is listening on that port... |
| 13:12.32 | moldy | prahal: ahh. thanks. |
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| 13:14.22 | vlt | Hello. I'd like to setup a diskless Debian router/firewall (booting from floppy, cd or PXE). Where to start? Is there a special Debian version for this task? |
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| 13:15.26 | Spida | vlt: how much ram do you have? |
| 13:16.04 | vlt | Spida: 128 or 256 MB |
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| 13:16.28 | Spida | vlt: perhaps you should look at grml (www.grml.org, or #grml on freenode) |
| 13:17.04 | thijsb | funn |
| 13:17.05 | thijsb | y |
| 13:17.09 | vlt | Spida: Maybe more RAM, if that made it easier ;) |
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| 13:18.09 | thijsb | debian etch 4.0r3 |
| 13:18.15 | thijsb | prodcution server |
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| 13:18.34 | Spida | vlt: if you can consider something else than debian, you might want to look at pfsense (www.pfsense.org) |
| 13:19.16 | thijsb | BSD ? |
| 13:19.38 | ukh | I wish there still was support for woody. I'm still running an *very* simple firewall on a woody box with a whopping 24 MB RAM. |
| 13:19.42 | thijsb | Spida: Try openBSD |
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| 13:20.14 | thijsb | he ukh got you woody images |
| 13:20.23 | thijsb | i love woody to! |
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| 13:21.48 | ukh | DSL appears to be based on early woody too. But I don't know if it's really state of the art for firewalls though |
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| 13:24.55 | jescis | I'm back again \o_ |
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| 13:30.11 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:30.11 | dpkg | i guess qotd137 is <www> when i apt-get upgrade, my system wants to update a lot of packages <www> how to avoid that ? |
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| 13:30.41 | snacky | haha |
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| 13:31.15 | Nyle | liable: hahaha |
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| 13:32.17 | Nyle | amphi: ping |
| 13:32.31 | Nyle | !grml |
| 13:32.31 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally <based on> Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 13:32.45 | Nyle | why is it called grml |
| 13:32.51 | Nyle | seriously confusing |
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| 13:32.59 | Nyle | sounds like some weird futuristic markup language |
| 13:33.08 | liable | has gcc in it too iirc, which is handy |
| 13:33.16 | Nyle | nice |
| 13:33.24 | l0c4lh0st | ah, apt-get install -f is fixing a lot of issues |
| 13:33.46 | Nyle | or you could use something else |
| 13:34.08 | et | -f is short for --fuck-things-up ;) |
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| 13:36.08 | linux_ir2 | hi, |
| 13:36.12 | linux_ir2 | any body from Iran? |
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| 13:37.44 | linux_ir2 | any body from Iran? |
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| 13:39.28 | jescis | linux_ir2: I'm in the iranian haters capitol of the world USA |
| 13:39.43 | jescis | ;) |
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| 13:40.00 | snacky | I don't think most of us hate iranians :P |
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| 13:40.39 | linux_ir2 | :)) |
| 13:40.57 | jescis | no, but we as a whole get critisized for it |
| 13:41.05 | linux_ir2 | jescis I don't care how hates how |
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| 13:42.05 | jescis | I am not a racist. I just really stated what I beleive to be facts |
| 13:42.23 | linux_ir2 | jescis Do you know what is fact? |
| 13:42.33 | jescis | yes |
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| 13:42.46 | themill | !ot |
| 13:42.46 | dpkg | [ot] Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 13:42.50 | l0c4lh0st | Is this normal? o.o http://pastebin.ca/925978 |
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| 13:43.17 | themill | !wayttd l0c4lh0st |
| 13:43.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, l0c4lh0st? |
| 13:43.22 | jescis | linux_ir2: muslems are decendants of ishmeal |
| 13:43.28 | linux_ir2 | I want to know that is it nesseccery to download all 4 DVD to install debian? |
| 13:43.33 | jescis | that's a fact |
| 13:43.44 | l0c4lh0st | trying to get my kernel to a version that will support the newer rt2x00 package in lenny |
| 13:43.47 | l0c4lh0st | Upgrading now :) |
| 13:43.50 | themill | linux_ir2: no, it's not. You can just grab the netinstall image and then you will only download the packages you need. |
| 13:44.08 | themill | l0c4lh0st: that was the output of "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade", then, I presume. |
| 13:44.21 | Eulex | l0c4lh0st, wouldn't work with 2.6.22 either? |
| 13:44.22 | l0c4lh0st | yes, upgrade yes |
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| 13:44.51 | themill | !tell l0c4lh0st about etch->lenny |
| 13:44.58 | Nyle | themill: hey |
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| 13:45.12 | themill | Hi, Nyle. |
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| 13:45.18 | Magnetophon | Hi, in etch, one of the packages has development files of an older version than the package itself in the repo's, but the dev-files depend on the older version of the package, wich is not available... What are my options? |
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| 13:45.29 | themill | which package? |
| 13:45.36 | Nyle | not possible |
| 13:45.52 | l0c4lh0st | wow, so I'm running lenny on my box after the upgrade ^^ |
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| 13:45.58 | Nyle | l0c4lh0st: yes |
| 13:46.08 | Nyle | for the new kernel to load you must toober |
| 13:46.11 | Nyle | er.. reboot |
| 13:46.15 | Magnetophon | The package in question is libclalsadrv |
| 13:46.18 | l0c4lh0st | toober, haha |
| 13:46.20 | linux_ir2 | jescis how care about that ppls was living so many years agoo!! |
| 13:46.20 | l0c4lh0st | :D |
| 13:46.35 | l0c4lh0st | lenny lenny lenny <3. |
| 13:46.48 | jescis | lets just drop it, kthx |
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| 13:47.15 | Eulex | Magnetophon, 1.0.1-3 for both libclalsadrv1 and libclalsadrv-dev in etch. |
| 13:47.23 | themill | Magnetophon: there's libclalsadrv1 in etch that is what you want |
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| 13:47.35 | prahal | linux_ir2, just curious and I never found a hint about . Why did Iran changed its name from Persia ? quite out of topic for sure |
| 13:47.36 | linux_ir2 | and another question my computer uses core2due cpu which edition I must download? |
| 13:47.57 | themill | linux_ir2: either 686 or amd64. The choice is yours. |
| 13:47.59 | Eulex | linux_ir2, i386. |
| 13:48.11 | linux_ir2 | which one is better? |
| 13:48.21 | themill | linux_ir2: yeah... um... i386 with the -686 kernel was what I meant. |
| 13:48.37 | Eulex | linux_ir2, both i386 and amd64 have their advantages and disadvantages. |
| 13:48.50 | themill | linux_ir2: I use i386 with the -686 kernel. The 32bit userspace is better for non-free rubbish like java, flash etc. |
| 13:49.01 | linux_ir2 | Is there any documention that compare them? |
| 13:49.02 | jescis | like vista does :x |
| 13:49.14 | Magnetophon | Eulex: Oh. actually i'm running 64studio, wich is supposed to be copatible with etch. It has 1.2.1 for the lib itself but 1.0.1 for the dev-files. |
| 13:49.21 | Eulex | linux_ir2, you shouldn't try running amd64 on a desktop if you haven't got more than 3gb ram, then it might be worth the problems |
| 13:49.26 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 13:49.26 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 13:49.30 | liable | or better 32bit with 64kernel |
| 13:49.31 | themill | Magnetophon: then it's not compatible with etch, is it |
| 13:49.32 | Danker | Hi |
| 13:49.39 | Eulex | Magnetophon, then they screwed up. |
| 13:49.39 | linux_ir2 | prahal PM me plss |
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| 13:50.12 | Magnetophon | themill & Eulex: thanks... |
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| 13:50.19 | Eulex | liable, 32bit with 64-bit kernel isn't a good idea in many cases either, because of binary drivers not supporting it... |
| 13:50.33 | Nyle | hm |
| 13:50.37 | Nyle | what? |
| 13:50.44 | Nyle | Eulex: how can you have that |
| 13:50.47 | liable | Eulex: hm, havent had that problem |
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| 13:50.52 | linux_ir2 | I want that install on vmware player, Is it possibale? |
| 13:51.06 | Eulex | liable, at least the nvidia driver didn't when I tried, so I reverted kinda quickly to a 686 kernel |
| 13:51.10 | Nyle | oh you said not supporting it |
| 13:51.12 | Nyle | nm |
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| 13:51.22 | Nyle | liable: neither have I |
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| 13:51.35 | Nyle | hell i don't even know what drivers are used by my hw in linux |
| 13:51.38 | Nyle | but it all works |
| 13:51.47 | liable | Eulex: oh, i think fglrx does, but its still a piece of shit in 64 too ;) |
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| 13:52.02 | Nyle | liable: works fine |
| 13:52.08 | Nyle | liable: /me has x1900 |
| 13:52.09 | LoLLo | http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gs8sYe4uqM |
| 13:52.20 | liable | Nyle: on 64? |
| 13:52.21 | Eulex | liable, :) |
| 13:52.23 | Nyle | yessir |
| 13:52.29 | liable | okie |
| 13:52.40 | Nyle | Linux desktop 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 09:22:35 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:52.41 | linux_ir2 | prahal --> pers and persia is blong to ppl lives in central of iran,Irananin was 3three branchs,Partian,median,and persian |
| 13:53.06 | linux_ir2 | prahal -->> and all of them blong to arian rice |
| 13:53.06 | Nyle | OpenGL renderer string: Radeon X1900 Series |
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| 13:53.15 | Nyle | fglrxinfo sucks |
| 13:54.33 | Eulex | liable, guess it's only nvidia then |
| 13:54.35 | linux_ir2 | prahal --> and 3 of them makes empery,But other 's nation only know about persians, |
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| 13:55.26 | Danker | I have compiled kernel module. How should I install it (what tool should I use) to put it in kernel directory so that I could use modprobe to load it instead of insmod? |
| 13:55.34 | liable | i'm not totally how the 64kernel and 32bit userland thing works anyway |
| 13:56.11 | wols_ | liable: libc6 is 32/64bit both on both platforms |
| 13:56.14 | wols_ | that's how it works |
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| 13:56.16 | Nyle | you are not totally |
| 13:56.23 | Nyle | ;) |
| 13:56.32 | liable | Danker: copy it into /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc if it doesnt come with a make install bit in the makefile |
| 13:56.35 | l0c4lh0st | wols_: My Debian is now upgrading to lenny |
| 13:56.36 | wols_ | Danker: how did you compile? |
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| 13:56.39 | Nyle | wols_: ping |
| 13:56.47 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: good luck |
| 13:56.57 | wols_ | Danker: after copying, rund depmod -a |
| 13:57.01 | wols_ | and install with modprobe |
| 13:57.10 | wols_ | pong |
| 13:57.14 | Danker | simple make file |
| 13:57.18 | Nyle | yeh I didn't mean nothing by it dude |
| 13:57.20 | Danker | no install rule |
| 13:57.25 | Nyle | wols_: my bad :o |
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| 13:57.38 | wols_ | Danker: ratehr "run" it with modprobe |
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| 13:57.51 | Danker | How should I? |
| 13:57.54 | wols_ | Nyle: drop it already |
| 13:58.00 | wols_ | Danker: should what? |
| 13:58.05 | Danker | I try modprobe ./module.ko but I get no efect |
| 13:58.15 | wols_ | the ./ is very wrong |
| 13:58.28 | wols_ | did you copy the module and if so where? |
| 13:58.46 | Danker | No I didn't |
| 13:58.50 | Nyle | I didn't |
| 13:58.54 | wols_ | then do as you've been told |
| 13:58.57 | liable | Danker: you need to use insmod if its not in the defined spot in /lib/modules |
| 13:59.10 | wols_ | liable: even after depmod -a? |
| 13:59.41 | liable | wols_: insmod if its out of that tree, ya. once its in there, modprobe will work |
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| 14:09.50 | nebM0ft | Are the backports broken today? |
| 14:10.16 | wols_ | seems so |
| 14:10.36 | nebM0ft | :( |
| 14:10.42 | nebM0ft | i need flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:10.43 | nebM0ft | :) |
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| 14:11.36 | themill | nebM0ft: the package on dmm works just fine. |
| 14:11.43 | nebM0ft | whats dmm? |
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| 14:11.49 | themill | !dmm |
| 14:11.49 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 14:12.00 | themill | The package is flashplayer-mozilla on dmm |
| 14:12.52 | venezuela | hi |
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| 14:13.30 | themill | @wb abrotman |
| 14:13.32 | ravenbird | Welcome back abrotman, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chloroform. |
| 14:13.53 | jescis | lol |
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| 14:14.56 | dto | hello folks. i'm having a bit of trouble getting my broadcom to link up with the wireless network. we use WEP and I have configured the key in /etc/network/interfaces according to the wpa-supplicant instructions--HOWEVER, the result of /sbin/iwconfig gives "Encryption key: off" |
| 14:15.00 | dto | how do I turn that on? |
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| 14:16.56 | eSa| | hi, i've installed iceweasel-dbg to obtain a strace since i'm experiencing crashes. however gdb does not recognize iceweasel as an executable |
| 14:17.11 | eSa| | what should I do? |
| 14:18.04 | abrotman | eSa|: ls -l `which iceweasel` .. i believe it's a symlink to something else |
| 14:18.17 | themill | eSa|: the binary is firefox-bin not iceweasel. Take a look at it -- /usr/bin/iceweasel is a shell script |
| 14:18.35 | chops | eSa|: iceweasel is a shell script IIRC; there should be a way to run it with a debugger. If not you can always make a copy and change "firefox-bin" to "gdb firefox-bin" (or some such). |
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| 14:18.57 | eSa| | that's ok with me, thx |
| 14:19.01 | chops | eSa|: By "run it with a debugger" I mean "pass it arguments which makes it start a debug session of firefox-bin instead" |
| 14:19.16 | chops | eSa|: You can also start iceweasel as normal and then attach to the firefox-bin process with gdb once it's started |
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| 14:20.14 | eSa| | chops, I will attach then. I'll give gdb man page a read |
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| 14:20.25 | chops | eSa|: k |
| 14:20.44 | darkstego | how do I go about making deb packages for something like libraries? |
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| 14:21.53 | themill | !tell darkstego about nmg |
| 14:22.11 | darkstego | !tell darkstego about nmg |
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| 14:23.32 | bony | how to configure fetchmail? |
| 14:23.44 | bony | with emacs |
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| 14:24.01 | maligor | in a dark room? |
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| 14:24.43 | rmrfchik | I have a problem: apt-proxy doesn't use parent proxy. |
| 14:24.46 | wols_ | bony: read its docs |
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| 14:25.25 | enzo | hi |
| 14:25.37 | dto | i can't seem to get wpa_supplicant to turn on the encryption, even when the WEP key is supplied and the link is ready. i can't seem to find any docs on the wpa-wep-key option that is described. I see a log message whenever i try to "ifup eth1" that says encryption is being turned OFF. how can I specify a 26-hex-digit WEP key in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:25.41 | bony | wols_, i did that but i am unable to understand on how to get emacs work with fetchmail\ |
| 14:25.43 | themill | bony: there's a package fetchmailconf that can help |
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| 14:26.05 | themill | bony: in what way do you envisage using fetchmail with emacs? |
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| 14:27.00 | wols_ | bony: where does emacs get its mail from? |
| 14:27.38 | wols_ | bony: the seuqnce is: fetchmail gets mail, hands over to your MTA which writes it to /var/spool/mail/ |
| 14:27.42 | wols_ | and emacs will read it from there |
| 14:27.47 | jescis | the internet ;) lol |
| 14:28.11 | jescis | jk |
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| 14:28.41 | liable | dto: if you are using wep, you can just set the key in intarfaces, wpasupp isnt required |
| 14:29.06 | liable | dto: if you must use wpasupp, i find having a propr conf file for it a better idea |
| 14:29.11 | dto | ah, i got it working. there is a documentation bug---it describes a parameter called wpa-wep-key, but it was wpa-wep-key0 |
| 14:29.13 | enzo | how can i delete mysql-server package and all config files to install it again properly ? (i have problem due to config files) |
| 14:29.20 | dto | brb |
| 14:29.50 | chops | enzo: aptitude purge |
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| 14:30.28 | chops | enzo: Make sure you get all the packages, too (e.g. mysql-common), not just the server package. Also, you may have to blow away the DB directories by hand; I'm not sure if purging mysql removes the DB directories. |
| 14:30.48 | liable | does xandros have the build-essential meta package in the repo? |
| 14:30.56 | liable | oops |
| 14:31.04 | wols_ | liable: you should know better :P |
| 14:31.07 | Spida | does anybody know a tool taht lets me capture video from firewire (ieee1394,iLink) with kernels like 2.6.22 or newer? |
| 14:31.13 | bony | wols_, yeah i could understand till that point but i am unable to understand after that means like how will emacs get mails from the pool and show them and work up on them i think i have read more manuals on it. if you could guide me on that it will help me |
| 14:31.18 | Haris1 | how can I check the active number of fd or connections on the box? |
| 14:31.20 | liable | wols_: was meant for eeepc :P |
| 14:31.22 | prahal | Spida, kino |
| 14:31.32 | Haris1 | This box has a problem, sometimes it accepts connections, sometimes it doesn't |
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| 14:31.39 | enzo | i get this chops http://pastebin.com/m60a55045 |
| 14:31.41 | wols_ | bony: use a real email client |
| 14:31.46 | wols_ | no clue about emacs |
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| 14:31.52 | enzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.57 | Haris1 | the sometimes, when it doesn't is a mystery. I can't find a reason why it should not accept new connections, except if there is a limit set |
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| 14:32.05 | wols_ | enzo: then there was no purge |
| 14:32.07 | Haris1 | the cpu is 99.9% idle |
| 14:32.07 | Spida | prahal: are you sure that kino works with kernels >= 2.6.22? |
| 14:32.15 | Spida | prahal: which version of kino? |
| 14:32.33 | enzo | so how can i do to delete mysql-server wols_? |
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| 14:32.36 | Spida | prahal: since the version included in etch does not work... |
| 14:32.52 | prahal | Spida, cannot tell I have not used it for years for firewire input (I don't own a firewire camera anymore :( |
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| 14:33.22 | chops | enzo: Kill the mysql processes by hand, blow away the PID file, and try again. Also, it's generally polite to use LANG=C when you're going to paste output (since not everyone here speaks French). |
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| 14:34.57 | enzo | ok it seems to work chops |
| 14:35.04 | chops | enzo: Hooray |
| 14:35.06 | chops | enzo: :-) |
| 14:35.17 | enzo | when i'll install again mysql, it will create all the default database chops_ right ? |
| 14:35.55 | chops | enzo: If one doesn't already exist, yes. Did you check to see if it's been blown away by the purge? Also, did you blow away _all_ of the mysql-related packages? (check dpkg -l '*mysql*') |
| 14:36.19 | l0c4lh0st | libsepol.print_missing_requirements: finger's global requirements were not met: type/attribute inetd_t |
| 14:36.19 | l0c4lh0st | libsemanage.semanage_link_sandbox: Link packages failed |
| 14:36.19 | l0c4lh0st | :( |
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| 14:36.59 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.ca/926027 Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 14:37.29 | enzo | chops: i have mysql package, but for client |
| 14:37.43 | chops | enzo: k |
| 14:37.46 | enzo | no need to deinstal them, just the server, as i want to install it back |
| 14:38.02 | chops | l0c4lh0st: What version of Debian are you running? Did you check the BTS? Have you done any selinux reconfiguration? |
| 14:38.06 | chops | enzo: nod |
| 14:38.10 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: what command is this? |
| 14:38.15 | l0c4lh0st | apt-get update |
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| 14:38.30 | wols_ | it'S not |
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| 14:38.33 | l0c4lh0st | It's setting up selinux, or something |
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| 14:38.47 | wols_ | apt-gte update does nothing of that sort |
| 14:38.56 | wols_ | it downloads packages.gz files and that'S it |
| 14:39.09 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.ca/926029 This |
| 14:39.16 | l0c4lh0st | Oops, apt-get upgrade |
| 14:39.54 | wols_ | what package wants to use selinux? |
| 14:40.18 | l0c4lh0st | I don't know.. |
| 14:40.31 | l0c4lh0st | It's still setting up all kinds of modules |
| 14:40.36 | chops | l0c4lh0st: You can pastebin the whole apt-get upgrade output and we can figure it out |
| 14:40.36 | enzo | chops: i've purged mysql, and when i install it again, now i have that : httphttp://pastebin.com/mb46ab7://pastebin.com/mb46ab7 |
| 14:40.46 | l0c4lh0st | chops, not sure how to do that |
| 14:40.54 | enzo | chops: http://pastebin.com/mb46ab7 (sorry for double paste) |
| 14:40.58 | l0c4lh0st | I'm logged in on SSH via PuTTY, it shows only 30 lines or so |
| 14:41.05 | chops | l0c4lh0st: You can pastebin one thing, but you can't pastebin another? :-) |
| 14:41.13 | Justin | l0c4lh0st: uhh, you can scroll up |
| 14:41.16 | wols_ | enzo: you still ahve a /etc/mysql/ which means you didn't purge |
| 14:41.18 | chops | l0c4lh0st: You can reconfigure putty to save as many lines of backlog as you like (I think I have 8000) |
| 14:41.35 | enzo | no wols_, /etc/mysql was purged before |
| 14:41.47 | chops | enzo: Can you purge mysql-server-5.0 again and then pastebin the output of "dpkg -l '*mysql*'"? |
| 14:41.50 | wols_ | enzo: the directory sitll exists: no purge. QED |
| 14:42.09 | chops | wols_, enzo: My money's on mysql-common as the culprit. |
| 14:42.21 | wols_ | chops: of course it is |
| 14:42.35 | wols_ | he purged mysql-server but not the other packages from mysql |
| 14:42.44 | enzo | so i've purge again, /etc/mysql doesn'"t exist nore /var/lib/mysql chops wols_ |
| 14:42.49 | prahal | Spida, http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/248332 http://www.kinodv.org/article/view/162/1/13/ ? it tells it could work . you don't need to modify /etc/security... and reload pam module on debian (just need to be in the goup with readwrite access to the /dev/fwX |
| 14:42.56 | wols_ | enzo: do what chops told you |
| 14:43.00 | chops | enzo: Can you just pastebin the output I asked for, please? |
| 14:43.24 | enzo | http://pastebin.com/m3458ad63 chops |
| 14:43.44 | enzo | i think you're right, maybe problem comes from mysql-common |
| 14:43.46 | wols_ | enzo: not purged |
| 14:43.48 | chops | enzo: Can you pastebin the whole output? |
| 14:44.04 | wols_ | that too |
| 14:44.22 | chops | enzo: Also, yes, mysql-common is not purged... you may have to temporarily purge the client packages in order to get the server configuration completely deleted |
| 14:44.43 | enzo | ok chops |
| 14:44.45 | wols_ | enzo: and hopefully oyu havent'r used rm on /etc/mysql/ |
| 14:44.51 | enzo | dpkg -l *mysql* is very big |
| 14:44.51 | dpkg | No packages found matching *mysql* is very big |
| 14:45.00 | chops | enzo: It is :-) |
| 14:45.07 | chops | enzo: It's okay, I've got a big screen |
| 14:45.09 | wols_ | enzo: dpkg -l|grep mysql. and pastebin it |
| 14:45.24 | chops | wols_: Good call |
| 14:45.47 | enzo | yes wols_ taht's what i've done: http://pastebin.com/m3458ad63 |
| 14:46.01 | enzo | you really need dpkg -l *mysql* chops ? |
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| 14:46.41 | chops | enzo: That's different from what wols asked you; they look similar but they're not. What wols said will give a shorter output which still contains everything we need. |
| 14:46.51 | wols_ | either they do what you told em or fuck em and they can help themselves |
| 14:47.08 | wols_ | enzo: have you understood that? |
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| 14:49.49 | l0c4lh0st | Lenny NSLU2 :D |
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| 14:49.57 | indio_amazonia | hi ! |
| 14:49.59 | enzo | http://pastebin.com/m5b65cf33 here is dpkg -l *mysql* chops |
| 14:50.05 | chops | wols_: Well, there's a balance to be struck. It's not good when people completely abandon the idea of thinking for themselves, either. "Just tell me what to type!" |
| 14:50.23 | enzo | i've deleted all mysql packages wols_ but dpkg -l *mysql* stills gives mysql ? |
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| 14:50.39 | wols_ | chops: surem bút not doing what I say simply wastes all our time |
| 14:50.49 | TBispo | alowww enfermeira |
| 14:51.11 | wols_ | enzo: either you pastebin what I told you (and I want to see ALL incl. the prompts) or you fuck off |
| 14:51.18 | indio_amazonia | TBispo: TBispo speak english ? |
| 14:51.39 | wols_ | !br | TBispo |
| 14:51.44 | wols_ | !br |
| 14:51.44 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:51.45 | TBispo | xD |
| 14:51.54 | chops | enzo: Okay, so it looks like you're completely purged. Try reinstalling mysql server and see if it works for you. |
| 14:52.03 | wols_ | chops: I _really: like the ubotu syntax. short and to the point |
| 14:52.04 | TBispo | sr guys |
| 14:52.13 | enzo | wols_: you've asked to do dpkg -l |grep mysql, i've given a link to that, and now i've deleted everything, so dpkg -l |grep mysql gives nothing |
| 14:52.22 | enzo | i try now to install it again |
| 14:52.28 | wols_ | enzo: I never ever seen promts |
| 14:52.32 | wols_ | *prompts |
| 14:52.42 | chops | wols_: Temper... |
| 14:52.53 | enzo | yes the prompt wasn't here wols_ sorry |
| 14:53.17 | chops | enzo: I don't think you gave a link to 'dpkg -l | grep mysql'; you gave a link to 'dpkg -l "*mysql*"' with a hand-selected excerpt, which is different. Anyway, the paste you gave had enough information. |
| 14:53.26 | chops | brb, rebooting Windows |
| 14:54.08 | enzo | ohhh yes it works now, thanks chops wols_ ! |
| 14:54.15 | chops | enzo: np |
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| 14:55.26 | Haris1 | does debian have any app or plan to have any app where one can multiplex multiple adsl connections into one sdsl connection? |
| 14:55.42 | Haris1 | sdsl is wrong |
| 14:55.42 | Superbartt | Haris1 that's impossible |
| 14:55.56 | Haris1 | sdsl = one big adsl connection = aggregation |
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| 14:56.14 | Superbartt | link aggregation is only possible if you can get the provider along |
| 14:56.23 | Haris1 | explain? |
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| 14:56.47 | Superbartt | you just can't link two 2MB/s connections together to one 4MB/s connection |
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| 14:57.02 | Superbartt | same goes for the upload |
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| 14:59.33 | Akuwamari | how can i copy remote dirs recursive using ftp? |
| 14:59.37 | Akuwamari | mget * ? |
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| 15:00.12 | TBispo | in wget: wget -R site |
| 15:00.14 | petemc | Akuwamari: not all clients support that |
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| 15:01.17 | Akuwamari | let me try |
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| 15:02.20 | wols_ | Haris1: SDSL != ADSL. vrey different |
| 15:02.33 | petemc | very? |
| 15:02.34 | Akuwamari | i want it don't ask for every file, how can i tell the command no verbose ? |
| 15:02.46 | grand_grunt | Hi everyone, does somebody knows how to re-create configuration files for a debian package? |
| 15:02.55 | wols_ | petemc: vrey :P |
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| 15:03.09 | wols_ | Akuwamari: client dependent. what client? |
| 15:03.15 | petemc | wols_: typos aside, its not that different surely, other than the upspeed |
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| 15:03.28 | Akuwamari | i am using console |
| 15:03.29 | TBispo | grand_grunt: dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 15:03.44 | wols_ | petemc: spectrum allocation is. on adsl you have big downstream small usptream spectrum. on sdsl they are of course the same |
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| 15:04.01 | wols_ | petemc: but unless your provider sets it that way no way to make adsl to sdsl |
| 15:04.02 | petemc | thats what i just said! |
| 15:04.30 | wols_ | !terll grand_grunt about confmiss |
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| 15:04.32 | grand_grunt | TBispo: I've tried it. The answer is that the package is broken or partially installed |
| 15:04.45 | wols_ | !tell grand_grunt about bat |
| 15:04.46 | TBispo | grand_grunt: package name? |
| 15:04.53 | grand_grunt | mysql-server |
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| 15:05.32 | grand_grunt | TBispo: I've deleted all /etc/mysql/* (I know it was a dumb idea) |
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| 15:06.12 | TBispo | grand_grunt: reinstall |
| 15:06.18 | petemc | phorce1: do your exchanges not support adsl2+ ? |
| 15:06.25 | wftl | Quick question : are there still patches, updates, being released for Sarge or is it not unsupported? |
| 15:06.39 | TBispo | grand_grunt: the conf files don't exist anymore |
| 15:06.40 | wftl | s/not/now/ |
| 15:06.45 | petemc | wftl: its still getting updates, that will end soon tho |
| 15:06.56 | wols_ | wftl: supported until april 2008. from then on no more support |
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| 15:07.09 | wftl | wols_: You answered my second question. |
| 15:07.17 | wftl | Thanks to you as well, petemc. |
| 15:07.21 | grand_grunt | TBispo: Also tried. remove, purge, reinstall.. Allways the same: aptitude removes the packet correctly, and when I reinstall the init script doesn't find the configuration files I've deleted. |
| 15:07.40 | Akuwamari | wols_ ? |
| 15:07.45 | wols_ | grand_grunt: I already told you. watch you messages |
| 15:07.56 | phorce1 | petemc: It will work. The discussions are about whether they can delegate reverse DNS to me and what kind of uptime gurantee there is in my area. I need toreplace a T-1 that I'm unhappy with. |
| 15:07.57 | wols_ | Akuwamari: console is no ftp client |
| 15:08.07 | Akuwamari | -i Turns off interactive prompting during multiple file transfers. |
| 15:08.17 | petemc | phorce1: right, adsl2+ would support that speed with 1 connection |
| 15:08.21 | TBispo | grand_grunt: apt-get remove --purge mysql_server ? |
| 15:08.30 | wols_ | Akuwamari: if you are on a temrinal use ncftp or lftp |
| 15:08.36 | wols_ | TBispo: will not help |
| 15:08.43 | wols_ | !tell TBispo about confmiss |
| 15:08.49 | prahal | does hal fdi files really works under debian ? I cannot get any match ... anyone had success ? |
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| 15:09.01 | grand_grunt | TBispo: I'll try that . wols_ : I'm using IRSSI and don't see any message. |
| 15:09.02 | phorce1 | petemc: The max supported out here right now is 6Mb/s up and 768Kb/s down per connection |
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| 15:09.20 | phorce1 | (reverse the up/down part of that) |
| 15:09.20 | wols_ | !tell grand_grunt about confmiss |
| 15:09.33 | wols_ | grand_grunt: the PURPLE window number |
| 15:09.51 | grand_grunt | wols_: THX !! :+) |
| 15:10.00 | TBispo | wols_: first time i see this command |
| 15:10.01 | TBispo | xD |
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| 15:12.16 | Akuwamari | ok, thanks wols |
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| 15:13.58 | l0c4lh0st | dist-upgrade takes looong |
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| 15:14.12 | dpx | where in debian are the configs for setting up network on boot? |
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| 15:14.31 | l0c4lh0st | In /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:14.38 | SlayerXP | dpx: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:18.32 | Pascal_1 | hello |
| 15:18.54 | Pascal_1 | i've got a litle question : is there a way to delete the home directory of a user when he leaves ?? |
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| 15:19.23 | themill | Pascal_1: rm or deluser |
| 15:19.39 | Pascal_1 | yes but where i could put this command ? |
| 15:19.44 | Pascal_1 | at what moment ? |
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| 15:20.22 | grand_grunt | Pascal_1: deluser --remove-home |
| 15:20.32 | grand_grunt | Pascal_1: man deluser |
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| 15:20.50 | Pascal_1 | my problem is the user connect on the machine in his home directory is mounted a samba share when he leaves i would like to delete his home directory after the share is unmounted |
| 15:20.56 | Pascal_1 | grand_grunt, |
| 15:21.20 | Pascal_1 | i know the use of deluser, my question is where can i put this command? |
| 15:21.32 | RichiH | is there a way to create an image of a live, rw-mounted ext3? |
| 15:21.43 | Pascal_1 | is there a way to execute a commande when a user leaves session |
| 15:22.01 | Pascal_1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.07 | Maulkin | RichiH: rsync? |
| 15:22.20 | mkrist | Pascal_1, you could make a cronjob that checks if the user is logged in |
| 15:22.22 | Maulkin | Pascal_1: use a shell wrapper? |
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| 15:22.40 | Pascal_1 | Maulkin, i dont know ? |
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| 15:22.56 | themill | !wayttd Pascal_1 |
| 15:22.56 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Pascal_1? |
| 15:22.59 | RichiH | Maulkin: that will not track changes on the system while it's running, though |
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| 15:23.26 | Maulkin | RichiH: while true; do rsync foo; done; |
| 15:23.31 | themill | RichiH: lvm can do snapshots. Or perhaps you want something like unisonfs |
| 15:23.32 | gigo | hi. I have Python 2.5 and Python 2.4 both present in /usr/bin/python2.4 and /usr/bin/python2.5. But when I start python, python2.4 is run. Can I tell aptitude to make python 2.5 as my default python? |
| 15:23.36 | RichiH | Maulkin: hmm, true |
| 15:23.42 | Akuwamari | wols_: i installed lftp |
| 15:23.48 | Maulkin | RichiH: or, unionfs or something may help |
| 15:23.48 | themill | Maulkin: rsync tends to bitch about files disappearing when you do that though. |
| 15:23.53 | Maulkin | or lvm snapshot suff. |
| 15:23.54 | Akuwamari | how can i mget all dirs and sub dirs? |
| 15:23.58 | RichiH | themill: it's a running system and i can't stop it or anything :) |
| 15:24.00 | Maulkin | themill: well, yes :) |
| 15:24.07 | Akuwamari | i am reading the man, but i am not clear |
| 15:24.11 | RichiH | so no lvm |
| 15:24.20 | Maulkin | gigo: use update-alternatives |
| 15:24.46 | RichiH | it's a 2.4 kernel, so unionfs is also not a real option |
| 15:24.56 | wols_ | Akuwamari: simply get the directory |
| 15:25.04 | Maulkin | RichiH: Time for a kernel upgrade :) |
| 15:25.24 | Akuwamari | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.33 | Akuwamari | when i mget dirname |
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| 15:26.07 | wols_ | man lftp ? |
| 15:26.08 | jescis | set nick =jescis |
| 15:26.11 | wols_ | mget -r might work |
| 15:26.12 | gigo | in update-alternatives how can I find the list of alternative names? |
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| 15:26.16 | jescis | oops |
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| 15:26.28 | Akuwamari | invalid option |
| 15:27.13 | wols_ | Akuwamari: help mirror |
| 15:27.16 | gigo | update-alternatives --list <name> . How can I find out all the valid values for <name> ? |
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| 15:27.22 | Pascal_1 | themill, it's little long to explain :on a debian client. when the user log on the debian his home directory is created by pam_mkhomedir.so, in his home directory a samba share is mounted via libpam-mount. When the user leaves the samba share is unmounted. Iwould like that the home directory deleted also when the user leaves |
| 15:27.23 | pep | which package does contain md5sum app? |
| 15:27.31 | wols_ | gigo: ls /etc/alternatives/ |
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| 15:27.38 | wols_ | !tell pep about seatch |
| 15:27.57 | wols_ | only if you take away the t |
| 15:27.59 | wols_ | !tell pep about search |
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| 15:28.31 | gigo | I don't find python in /etc/alternatives. So how do I tell aptitude to make my Python 2.5 as default Python? |
| 15:28.40 | themill | pep: it's in coreutils |
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| 15:28.53 | wols_ | that will break varius thnings |
| 15:29.05 | wols_ | iirc it'S a symlink in /usr/bin/python |
| 15:29.06 | pep | ok, thanx, themill and wols_ |
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| 15:29.18 | gigo | wols_: so when will Debian upgrade to python 2.5? |
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| 15:30.23 | themill | Pascal_1: is there any need to both create a dir for the user and smbmount? How about just making their $HOME the smb share? |
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| 15:31.11 | Pascal_1 | themill, i'm not abble to do that ;-) |
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| 15:31.17 | Pascal_1 | it would be the best |
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| 15:31.32 | chops | gigo: When it's ready :-). There are still some bugs related to memory management differences. The plan is to release lenny with python 2.5 |
| 15:31.33 | Pascal_1 | but pam + ldap +gdm want a home directory first |
| 15:31.45 | gigo | chops: ok. |
| 15:31.50 | chops | gigo: Of course, python 2.5 is available in Debian, it's just not /usr/bin/python yet |
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| 15:32.10 | gigo | chops: yes, I have it installed but the symlink still points to /usr/bin/python2.4 |
| 15:32.34 | chops | gigo: Yes. Don't change that. If it was as easy as 'ln -sf python2.5 python', Debian would have done it already. |
| 15:32.44 | gigo | chops: ok |
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| 15:34.33 | yzaLyzarC | How much ram can 64-bit debian use? |
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| 15:34.48 | Supaplex | quite possibly more than you can afford |
| 15:34.56 | yzaLyzarC | Supaplex: |
| 15:35.01 | yzaLyzarC | I want an number |
| 15:35.13 | Supaplex | idk |
| 15:35.34 | yzaLyzarC | You dont know? |
| 15:35.39 | Supaplex | that's right |
| 15:35.43 | petemc | yzaLyzarC: wikipedia is useful for such questions |
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| 15:36.30 | yzaLyzarC | Irc is usefull for such questions. |
| 15:36.36 | yzaLyzarC | More reliabole. |
| 15:36.50 | petemc | thats a negative |
| 15:36.57 | theatro | yzaLyzarC, as much ram as your system can support |
| 15:37.20 | petemc | yzaLyzarC: 113.46 petabytes |
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| 15:37.30 | yzaLyzarC | That much? |
| 15:37.37 | Supaplex | yeah. only that much |
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| 15:37.40 | yzaLyzarC | Vista only can handle 128gb |
| 15:37.55 | themill | "113.46 petabytes should be enough for anybody" |
| 15:38.02 | DDave | not for me :P |
| 15:38.03 | petemc | 128 > 113.46 |
| 15:38.05 | Supaplex | hahahahaaa |
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| 15:38.16 | petemc | oh, wait, gigabytes |
| 15:38.39 | blood | i have a trendnet tew-421 on a gateway laptop. i want to run ubuntu but i get a max of 30% signal str. where in windows i get close to 100% and the connection drops out all the time. can i fix this, or even better, is there a distro that better supports my wireless? will debian work? |
| 15:38.57 | wols_ | !ubuntu |
| 15:38.57 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 15:39.01 | wols_ | oops. |
| 15:39.01 | LoLLo | http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gs8sYe4uqM |
| 15:39.03 | ubuntufreak | I installed Debian 4.0 and then Ubuntu 7.10 with a separate 100mb for /boot, but the grub doesn't show the entry for Debian, how do i correct it |
| 15:39.07 | Supaplex | wols_: he asked if ... eh nm you got it. |
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| 15:39.19 | wols_ | blood: usually not. ubuntu and debian use the same drivers. what driver did you use? |
| 15:39.28 | yzaLyzarC | petemc: So linux can use like 1000X the ram of vista? |
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| 15:39.37 | themill | blood: signal strength meters are random numbers so don't believe the 30% vs 100% comparison. |
| 15:39.41 | wols_ | ubuntufreak: you need to manually edit your menu.lst |
| 15:40.01 | wols_ | themill: what if I he gets different data throughput on different OSes? |
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| 15:40.07 | ubuntufreak | wols_: How do i do it |
| 15:40.09 | petemc | yzaLyzarC: no, im talking out of my ass - the limitations arent operating system specific |
| 15:40.20 | wols_ | ubuntufreak: ask ubuntu. their bootloader |
| 15:40.29 | l0c4lh0st | Still doing the dist-upgrade.... pff :P |
| 15:40.30 | themill | wols_: dropouts and different throughputs are real measures, but the signal strength thing is not |
| 15:40.35 | wols_ | petemc: to a degree... |
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| 15:40.46 | mike1o | im getting this weird virtualbox error when upgrading with aptitude... anyone else getting this? |
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| 15:40.54 | ubuntufreak | wols_: ok |
| 15:41.05 | wols_ | !tell mike1o about bat |
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| 15:41.08 | Supaplex | mike1o: "weird" ? how weird? could you possibly be less vague? |
| 15:41.38 | blood | im not sure, it was a while ago, whatever default driver ubuntu picked in the install, windows uses a realtek driver i belive |
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| 15:41.53 | blood | i can double check that if needed |
| 15:42.03 | mike1o | wols_, "old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" |
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| 15:42.07 | Supaplex | blood: I think I have one of those cards, and I kinda gave up on it for now. |
| 15:42.10 | wols_ | there never is any "default driver" for WLAN |
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| 15:42.19 | blood | its onboard :( |
| 15:42.27 | mike1o | wols_, "new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" |
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| 15:42.34 | blood | and it works really nice in windows |
| 15:42.43 | o2T7 | blood: Normally win drivers lie you about signal. What you can do is lower the transmit rate |
| 15:42.46 | Supaplex | onboard and trendnet both mean "cheap skate" too. |
| 15:42.46 | wols_ | mike1o: that is not the error. dpkg gave you a factoid |
| 15:42.59 | wols_ | follow it |
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| 15:43.04 | l0c4lh0st | !factoid |
| 15:43.05 | dpkg | factoid is probably something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 15:43.06 | mike1o | wols_, ok |
| 15:43.22 | l0c4lh0st | ah, k |
| 15:43.27 | `y7 | i setup debian to print off of a shared computer from my windows machine and everything appears to be setup properly, but i can't figure out how to actually print something. do i need to install a program to print? or is there a cmd or what? |
| 15:43.33 | Akuwamari | damm |
| 15:43.40 | blood | print from word |
| 15:43.44 | mike1o | wols_, /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 15:43.49 | themill | `y7: what do you want to print? |
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| 15:43.51 | l0c4lh0st | Oh I'm so happy when I finally get my WLAN working :> |
| 15:43.53 | yzaLyzarC | abrotman: What is the ram limit on 64bit cpu? |
| 15:44.02 | l0c4lh0st | And I even got a little extra: Debian Lenny :D |
| 15:44.04 | petemc | yzaLyzarC: 2 to the power of 64 |
| 15:44.07 | `y7 | themill, a text document i made with joe.... |
| 15:44.11 | outlaw84 | yzaLyzarC: 512GB |
| 15:44.11 | Supaplex | dpkg: 2**64 |
| 15:44.12 | dpkg | 18446744073709551616 |
| 15:44.17 | blood | print from word |
| 15:44.20 | wols_ | mike1o: dpkg gave you a factoid. follow it. and don't take wild ass guesses to waste my time |
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| 15:44.40 | Akuwamari | i am suing ncftp like this ---> ncftp domain -u login -p password |
| 15:44.43 | `y7 | blood: i don't have word installed, is that just apt-get install word? |
| 15:44.50 | yzaLyzarC | dpkg: 2**32 |
| 15:44.50 | dpkg | 4294967296 |
| 15:44.52 | ks | hey guys and girls |
| 15:44.57 | Akuwamari | but i got Login incorrect. |
| 15:45.03 | blood | y7, word might do it |
| 15:45.06 | Supaplex | ks: the bots are neither ;) |
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| 15:45.14 | ks | question: how do I detect first boot ever ? |
| 15:45.15 | blood | y7, openoffice is really nice too, |
| 15:45.27 | l0c4lh0st | Flashing kernel: |
| 15:45.28 | l0c4lh0st | woohoo! |
| 15:45.34 | l0c4lh0st | done.* |
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| 15:45.45 | Supaplex | l0c4lh0st: you streaker! ;) |
| 15:45.47 | l0c4lh0st | savetheWhale ;) |
| 15:46.10 | blood | what type of doc are u printing? |
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| 15:46.38 | `y7 | blood: i made a doc in joe that says "123" |
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| 15:46.43 | blood | haha ok |
| 15:46.44 | l0c4lh0st | Supaplex: Streaker? |
| 15:46.55 | blood | try apt-get install kword |
| 15:46.57 | Supaplex | l0c4lh0st: 'flashing' the kernel with your nekid body ;) |
| 15:47.00 | hooya | what's a decent log file analyzer for squid? |
| 15:47.04 | l0c4lh0st | hahaha lol |
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| 15:47.09 | `y7 | ok, thanks |
| 15:47.13 | ubuntufreak | wols_: I couldn't get any replies in Ubuntu |
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| 15:47.14 | l0c4lh0st | !streaker |
| 15:47.19 | l0c4lh0st | Can I add text for that? :D |
| 15:47.22 | ubuntufreak | wols_:any help here |
| 15:47.42 | o2T7 | ubuntufreak: Change your distro then |
| 15:47.45 | chops | ubuntufreak: The fact that you can't get support somewhere else doesn't give us the obligation to help you :-/ |
| 15:48.12 | ubuntufreak | chops: thanks :) |
| 15:48.30 | l0c4lh0st | I think you should part this channel, ubuntufreak ;) |
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| 15:48.38 | Akuwamari | why my hosting provider use User Name: user%domain.com to access ftp ? |
| 15:48.39 | themill | `y7: you can print a plain text doc with lpr or you can make it prettier using a2ps or similar programs. Many editors also directly have a print facility within them (e.g. kwrite, gedit etc) |
| 15:48.46 | ubuntufreak | would do |
| 15:48.52 | hooya | is there a decent logfile analyzer for squid access logs? |
| 15:49.12 | Supaplex | Akuwamari: it's the way they choose to? |
| 15:49.14 | chops | hooya: perl :-) |
| 15:49.18 | Supaplex | !tell hooya -about search |
| 15:49.18 | hooya | heh |
| 15:49.34 | hooya | Supaplex: did you mean google? |
| 15:49.36 | petemc | hooya: i used sarg |
| 15:50.00 | o2T7 | hooya: Did you do `apt-cache search squid analyzer` ? |
| 15:50.13 | o2T7 | Supaplex: Sorry ;) |
| 15:50.23 | Supaplex | hooya: no, I meant apt-cache search squid |
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| 15:50.34 | Pascal_1 | themill, any idea ? |
| 15:50.38 | yassine | good day everyone |
| 15:50.57 | hooya | tried it. was futzing around with webalizer since it claims to do squid logs also. didn't work. at least, not for me.. |
| 15:51.07 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 15:51.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 15:51.22 | Supaplex | awffull - web server log analysis program |
| 15:51.24 | yassine | anyone here using twiki (debian püackage) with etch and having problem to isntall plugins ? like the one i have : http://rafb.net/p/HOriN242.html |
| 15:51.29 | Supaplex | calamaris - log analyzer for Squid or Oops proxy log files |
| 15:51.30 | chops | hooya: If webalizer claims to do squid logs and doesn't, that's a bug (assuming you're using it correctly, of course :-) |
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| 15:51.45 | Supaplex | there are a few more, I'll spare us the flood. |
| 15:51.49 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: 64GB on debian kernels on amd64 |
| 15:52.00 | chops | yassine: Where and how are you installing the plugin? |
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| 15:52.14 | sandman | Has anyone, by chance, ever installed Debian on an Acer Aspire 5520 laptop? IDE, wired networking, wireless networking, sound, actually just about nothing works out of the box. |
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| 15:52.19 | chops | yassine: I have a number of plugins installed on etch. I had to proceed carefully, but they're all working fine for me. |
| 15:52.25 | sandman | Thus I cannot do a netinstall or anything. |
| 15:52.26 | wols_ | !laptop |
| 15:52.26 | dpkg | laptop is, like, All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 15:52.30 | yassine | chops: i itried unpacking it manually into /usr/lib/twiki/ |
| 15:52.33 | hooya | chops: i don't know if it's a bug or if i'm using an older version. i just wanted to find out what the 'right' tool for that job was before i go chasing bugs... |
| 15:52.40 | themill | Pascal_1: not really. Isn't there an on-log-off event handler within pam you could use? Or alternative, you could write a simple shell script that wraps around the user's interactive shell and deletes the directory on logout. Just beware of the user logging in twice at a time these solutions. |
| 15:52.42 | wols_ | !tell sandman about kmuto |
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| 15:53.20 | yassine | chops: do you happen to know why the plugin repository browser is not working in the (twiki debian package) ? |
| 15:53.25 | chops | yassine: Put it where the other perl packages are; /usr/lib/twiki is definitely not correct. Either use /usr/share/perl5/TWiki/Plugins or /var/lib/twiki/lib/TWiki/Plugins (IIRC; that's from memory). Both those locations should be the same (/var/lib/twiki/lib is a symlink to the other). |
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| 15:54.05 | chops | yassine: Probably because the Debian twiki package needs work... twiki is a hard thing to package, and it's unrewarding because people are reluctant to use the Debian package correctly even if you do get everything right. |
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| 15:54.29 | TBispo | i hate GameGuard |
| 15:54.35 | chops | hooya: If webalizer claims to and can't, it's a bug regardless of the status of the other packages. |
| 15:55.05 | blood | back |
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| 15:55.12 | yassine | chops: i mean /var/lib/twiki sorry |
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| 15:55.47 | chops | yassine: Can you pastebin an ls -l of the plugin packages? |
| 15:56.02 | chops | yassine: (perl package files that is; .pm) |
| 15:56.15 | yassine | chops one sec |
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| 15:58.11 | yassine | chops: got the ls -l ? |
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| 15:58.36 | chops | yassine: Your plugin package is not readable by non-root users |
| 15:58.48 | yassine | oups sorry your right |
| 15:58.48 | chops | yassine: Try changing the permissions on it |
| 15:58.51 | chops | yassine: No worries |
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| 16:02.53 | pep | how can I solve this: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.1.gz', which is the diverted version of `/usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.textutils.1.gz' |
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| 16:03.09 | azeem | pep: which version of Debian? |
| 16:03.15 | pep | sid |
| 16:03.20 | chops | pep: Can you pastebin the exact command you're running and the full output? |
| 16:03.27 | chops | pep: Also, checked the BTS? |
| 16:03.27 | azeem | pep: wait for a bugfix |
| 16:03.36 | pep | it appears when reinstalling coreutils |
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| 16:04.48 | pep | chops, it also says 'broken pipe' |
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| 16:09.04 | pep | azeem, I've seen BTS and couldn't find anything. should I remove /usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.1.gz? |
| 16:11.42 | azeem | pep: I'd say no |
| 16:11.53 | azeem | downgrade the offending package, rather |
| 16:12.06 | pep | how, azeem ? |
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| 16:14.57 | gigo | if I want to find out that 'gcc' file exists in which package so tht I can install that package, how can I find it? |
| 16:15.07 | azeem | !search |
| 16:15.08 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 16:15.35 | gigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:16.50 | chops | gigo: apt-file update |
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| 16:17.31 | Coke | Maybe not a Debian question exactly, but if I close the transmission main window (torrent client) it will background, when I execute transmission a second time it quits with an error message explaining that a transmission instance is already running. How do I reattach to an already running transmission process? |
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| 16:18.57 | phorce1 | Coke: fg |
| 16:19.20 | consfearacy | Coke, is transmission like screen? |
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| 16:20.41 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm considering installing Debian for desktop use on a "A-Data Speedy 8 GB CompactFlash card". Does anyone know how fast an average CF card is ? I need something like 10-15 MB/s at least |
| 16:20.51 | Jemt | .. for proper Desktop performance |
| 16:21.17 | alanhaggai | Hi. What is this file for? File: debian-update-4.0r3-i386-DVD-1.iso. Is it to update an installed r0 to r3? |
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| 16:29.25 | Ergo^ | hello |
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| 16:30.56 | abrotman | alanhaggai: yes .. but if you have http sources you don't really need it |
| 16:31.00 | Ergo^ | i have a question for ppl who more experience than me : if i need packages that are in lenny and dont exist in etch or backports.org - can i email request to backports.org or should i use lenny as my desktop pc ( dunno how safe that is ) ? |
| 16:31.12 | abrotman | !tell Ergo^ about simple sid backport |
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| 16:31.37 | abrotman | Ergo^: you can use lenny as a desktop, some stuff might be broken (i think nvidia stuff is broken again) |
| 16:31.50 | Ergo^ | abrotman: , heh i have nvidia ;P |
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| 16:32.59 | Coke | phorce1: it's not really backgrounded afaik |
| 16:34.25 | Ergo^ | abrotman: , so i guess best would be to go stable and build the stuff i need , how safe is that for example when lenny goes gold and i do upgrade - will that break ? |
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| 16:35.09 | abrotman | Ergo^: depends what you're backporting |
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| 16:36.31 | karrotx_ | is there anyway to show the number of ram slots used? |
| 16:36.38 | karrotx_ | and perhaps what each chip has? |
| 16:36.38 | alanhaggai | abrotman, I have the three r0 dvds. So just having the debian-update-4.0r3-i386-DVD-1.iso will help me to update my r0 to r3. Right? |
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| 16:37.17 | abrotman | alanhaggai: does your installation have http sources already? |
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| 16:38.19 | alanhaggai | abrotman, Yes. However, I will have to use my system where the connection is very weak. |
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| 16:38.40 | abrotman | alanhaggai: it's up to you .. |
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| 16:39.04 | alanhaggai | Oh okay. |
| 16:39.13 | alanhaggai | abrotman, Thank you. |
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| 16:40.03 | coolStar | hi all, how do i set max history count of commands for xterm and any terminal? |
| 16:40.13 | abrotman | man bash |
| 16:40.15 | coolStar | i want to set this globally, not just for specific user |
| 16:40.54 | o2T7 | coolStar: anyway |
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| 16:41.17 | coolStar | o2T7: wat? |
| 16:41.34 | Ergo^ | abrotman: : i would port some python frameworks for webdevelopement so i guess nothing too scary |
| 16:41.47 | abrotman | Ergo^: except that python is a major system component |
| 16:42.08 | o2T7 | coolStar: You have that info into `man bash` anyway. |
| 16:42.11 | Ergo^ | python stames the same i think |
| 16:42.15 | Ergo^ | stays |
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| 16:42.41 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 16:43.57 | o2T7 | coolStar: Read `man bash | grep HISTFILESIZE -A5` Then edit your ~/.profile |
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| 16:46.27 | phorce1 | Coke: sorry -- working outside. Did you get it back? If it's not showing up as a backgrounded app then it probably has a commanline switch to reattach to a running copy of itself like screen does. I use rtorrent inside a screen session. |
| 16:46.51 | Coke | phorce1: seems to be a bug. if I run the daemon and close the transmission gtk client it just lingers after quit. |
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| 16:48.01 | phorce1 | Coke: I always leave screen running so I can work from anywhere. That's why I use rtorrent in full text mode. |
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| 16:49.24 | petemc | Coke: it makes sense that a daemon would continue to run after a client has quit, thats why its a daemon |
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| 16:50.07 | petemc | i wasnt aware transmission operated this way, but then i use it on a mac |
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| 16:50.26 | abrotman | it doesn't "quit" .. it goes to the systray |
| 16:51.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:51.54 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 16:52.36 | phorce1 | I'm searching through the packages and not seeing what I'm looking for. 1) a package to build an animation out of a series of .jpg files and 2) something to grab an image from http, check to see if it matches a previously saved image and download it to a new name if it's different (and update the "previously saved image"). |
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| 16:53.52 | phorce1 | I'm trying to grab regional doppler radar images from weather.com to be able to keep a running set of updated images during inclement weather that is longer than their default 5-image "animated" page. |
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| 16:54.37 | petemc | phorce1: mogrify from imagemagick does some of what you need, iirc |
| 16:54.39 | ghatak | hi, has anyone use snmp v3 on debian ? |
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| 16:55.07 | miguelanxo | Hi there! |
| 16:55.37 | miguelanxo | is there some way of using netcat to connect two _outgoing_ tcp connections? |
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| 16:55.57 | Coke | petemc: all good, but why is the client not quitting properly? |
| 16:56.15 | Coke | phorce1: yeah, but I wanted to try transmission. I usually run bittorrent in a screen session |
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| 16:56.57 | phorce1 | petemc: mogrify appears to make changes to a static image. The man page is sorely lacking. |
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| 16:57.48 | petemc | phorce1: you should find plenty of info on imagemagick around - the command `animate' might also be useful |
| 16:57.52 | phorce1 | headed to the html docs now |
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| 16:59.34 | berzerka | if the first block on a disk (which contains the MBR) is defect, is the whole disk unusable? i.e. does MBR have to reside on the first block, or can it be marked as bad and located elsewhere? (i guess not...) |
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| 17:00.50 | phorce1 | petemc: yep, animate does the local animation. Need to dig in the docs more to slow it down and then work out the downloads problem |
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| 17:01.12 | mbroeker | #debian.de |
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| 17:02.45 | fiendishfish | How would I get a creative webcam to work in Linux |
| 17:02.57 | ttyS1 | I can't send or receive emails, my send and receive button is disabled on evolution |
| 17:03.16 | fiendishfish | Bus 002 Device 004: ID 041e:4052 Creative Technology, Ltd |
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| 17:05.36 | rellis | Anyone here running SELinux or another security enhancement on Debian? I was curious to know how well it works or if anyone has a sigestion for a different security system. |
| 17:05.59 | rellis | etch in particular.. |
| 17:06.16 | azeem | rellis: what are you running? |
| 17:06.23 | azeem | I mean, what kind of server/sysetm |
| 17:06.41 | joeytwiddle | fiendishfish: google gave me this: http://opensource.creative.com/webcam.html |
| 17:06.57 | rellis | azeem: It will serve as a proxy/reverse proxy to communicate with internal application like MS Exchange OWA and etc.. |
| 17:06.57 | cahoot | fiendishfish: might look for more info here: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html |
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| 17:07.16 | rellis | It'll be running squid/apache mostly. |
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| 17:07.31 | fasta | Is there software to disable sending the referrer value when browsing? |
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| 17:08.07 | fiendishfish | Is it possible to use a lenny driver with etch? |
| 17:08.19 | tarzeau | fasta: use another browser that can configure it? or netsed? |
| 17:08.30 | tarzeau | fiendishfish: what kind of driver? |
| 17:08.32 | abrotman | fiendishfish: there's a backported kernel at backports.org |
| 17:08.37 | tarzeau | fiendishfish: if you find or make a working backport, sure |
| 17:08.42 | \amethyst | fasta: in Firefox/Iceweasel? |
| 17:08.45 | fiendishfish | Source for the ov51x-jpeg driver |
| 17:08.49 | fasta | \amethyst: yes, but also Konqueror. |
| 17:08.50 | tarzeau | there also exist drivers in userspace outside the kernel... |
| 17:08.56 | tarzeau | fiendishfish: yep, works for me |
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| 17:09.27 | fasta | \amethyst: I already found it |
| 17:09.29 | \amethyst | fasta: in FF/IW, you can go into about:config and set network.http.sendReferrer to 0 |
| 17:09.31 | fiendishfish | tarzeau, Are you using it for your cam? |
| 17:09.37 | fasta | \amethyst: indeed |
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| 17:09.45 | mutante | hi, "stable main non-free" 2.6.18-5-686 , i am running apache2 with php5 and an svn server, now i would like to install "websvn" via apt-get , but that would remove libapache2-mod-php5 and install PHP4, i need to keep PHP5 though to run mediawiki, what would i do to get some basic web interface for svn? i currently see just the current revision via browser, but would like the history, authors and comments. and i would like to install via package management |
| 17:09.53 | tarzeau | fiendishfish: yep |
| 17:10.06 | fasta | \amethyst: what about the secure referrer? |
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| 17:10.18 | fasta | \amethyst: any downsides to disabling that too? |
| 17:10.28 | abrotman | mutante: your kernel is out of date |
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| 17:10.54 | \amethyst | fasta: some sites won't let you load pages unless they are the referrer (to "protect" against deep linking) |
| 17:11.21 | mutante | abrotman: "linux-image-2.6-686" has been "held back" |
| 17:11.25 | fasta | \amethyst: oh, right. I remember that now. Thanks |
| 17:11.29 | \amethyst | fasta: BTW, for konqueror, http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hidden%20configuration might be useful |
| 17:11.42 | abrotman | mutante: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 ... it's a fairly serious security update |
| 17:11.43 | gan | i made a livecd based on debian but it is not mounting the filesystem |
| 17:11.45 | fiendishfish | tarzeau, how did you install yours? |
| 17:11.52 | tarzeau | fiendishfish: http://debian.ethz.ch/d-i/gspca-module ? |
| 17:11.53 | gan | since the aufs is missing |
| 17:11.59 | tarzeau | fiendishfish: did an automatic-back-port |
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| 17:12.30 | mutante | abrotman: allright |
| 17:12.38 | tarzeau | fiendishfish: i'm using the abp script at http://krum.ethz.ch/abp/ |
| 17:13.12 | gan | i made a livecd based on debian but it is not mounting the filesystem |
| 17:13.31 | wols_ | gan: based on debian? |
| 17:13.33 | mutante | abrotman: uhm, you mean the local root exploit,hmm? i have removed all shell users besides me since then ,,at least :p |
| 17:13.38 | wols_ | how did you make the live cd? |
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| 17:13.50 | mutante | cause i tried it and it worked right away, with the source that was on heise.de |
| 17:13.51 | fasta | \amethyst: I assumed that what I wanted to do was "special" in one way or another, but it appears it wasn't. You have been very helpful. |
| 17:13.55 | gan | wols_, with the help of livehelper |
| 17:13.59 | abrotman | mutante: you do whatever you want .. i'm just telling you that it's serious |
| 17:14.19 | chops | mutante: An easy way is to run 'aptitude dist-upgrade' instead of 'aptitude ugprade' |
| 17:14.22 | wols_ | gan: which is software from where? |
| 17:14.36 | chops | mutante: upgrade is fine for most security upgrades, but recent kernel upgrades have required dist-upgrade |
| 17:14.51 | mutante | says it setup "2.6.18+6etch3" now, but didnt reboot yet, its remote location |
| 17:14.57 | gan | wols_, from debian i took a livehelper package |
| 17:15.19 | wols_ | gan: what debian branch? |
| 17:15.26 | gan | wols_, it is working fine if i create a cd without bootsplash |
| 17:15.32 | \amethyst | fasta: it's kind of special, which is why you have to use about:config and kwriteconfig: it can't be set from a config dialog |
| 17:15.43 | gan | wols_, from lenny |
| 17:15.58 | wols_ | gan: there is no debian package named livehelper on lenny |
| 17:16.43 | fasta | \amethyst: the UI in Iceweasel for setting options is more attractive than in Konqueror, though. |
| 17:16.46 | \amethyst | live-helper |
| 17:16.53 | \amethyst | fasta: heh :) |
| 17:16.58 | fasta | \amethyst: (for custom options, that is) |
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| 17:17.11 | \amethyst | fasta: there might be some KDE equivalent of the Windows registry editor, but I don't use KDE so I don't know |
| 17:17.15 | wols_ | gan: so what did you change when putting in the splash? |
| 17:17.21 | droid | hi. can have put two "up route add -net xxxxxxxx" in network/interfaces? |
| 17:17.29 | droid | s/have/i/ |
| 17:17.41 | gan | wols_, it is deblivehelper |
| 17:18.02 | wols_ | gan: it is not. it is live-helper as \amethyst said |
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| 17:18.08 | XoX_ | anyway i can force ntp to update the hardware clock aswell? |
| 17:18.32 | l0c4lh0st | Let's hope the thing fucking works now :D |
| 17:18.39 | wols_ | XoX_: man hwclock |
| 17:18.48 | \amethyst | XoX_: ntp doesn't do that. use invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh stop |
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| 17:18.54 | \amethyst | XoX_: or call hwclock directly |
| 17:19.14 | gan | wols_, you are correct three days before i did |
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| 17:19.37 | wols_ | gan: answer my question instead |
| 17:19.50 | XoX_ | ntp in windows also adjusts hardware clock |
| 17:19.53 | droid | can i have two entries for one interface in network/interfaces like "up route add -net xxxx" and below, "up route add -net xxxx" ? |
| 17:19.56 | XoX_ | probably not good |
| 17:20.01 | gan | wols_, nothing i did |
| 17:20.13 | gan | wols_, for bootsplash |
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| 17:20.33 | wols_ | if it works without bootsplash but not with, there is a difference in what you did even if indirectly |
| 17:20.41 | wols_ | gan: simply use a debian kernel |
| 17:21.05 | gan | wols_, i compiled a kernel with bootsplash |
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| 17:21.51 | mutante | now i got 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 17:21.52 | wols_ | then don't fuck up your kernel compile and learn how to do it. or use debian stock kernels |
| 17:22.05 | chops | mutante: That's the one you want, yes |
| 17:22.31 | gan | wols_, after running the livehelper pkg , i am getting initrd & vmlinuz , if i boot with that it is booting without nootsplash |
| 17:22.37 | wols_ | chops: is it bad if I admit I don't run a vmsplace fixed kernel? |
| 17:22.54 | wols_ | gan: that is not what I asked |
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| 17:23.03 | wols_ | oops. didn't ask. |
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| 17:23.12 | wols_ | gan: where did you get your config for your custom kernel? |
| 17:23.16 | chops | wols_: I'm still running one sarge system with a 2.6.8 kernel from a couple of years ago with no security updates since then. We've all got skeletons in the closet. |
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| 17:23.27 | chops | wols_: It's not accessible from the public internet :-) |
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| 17:23.59 | wols_ | chops: mine is :P |
| 17:24.01 | gan | wols_, i got it from debian lenny cd |
| 17:24.01 | wols_ | partially |
| 17:24.16 | wols_ | gan: more precise please |
| 17:24.53 | wols_ | gan: next time use the config from the livehelper thingie |
| 17:25.00 | gan | wols_, with that config file , i followed the doc how to add the bootsplash with the kernel |
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| 17:25.56 | gan | wols_, i am getting the bootsplash if i boot it from harddisk not with livecd |
| 17:25.57 | godling|laptop | howdy |
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| 17:26.38 | gan | wols_, i can create the cd without bootsplash |
| 17:27.04 | wols_ | gan: I don't care. your harddisk is not your CD |
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| 17:28.14 | gan | wols_, i am compressing the filesystem which having bootsplash for to create livecd |
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| 17:28.46 | wols_ | gan: this is all irrelevant. I told you what to do, why can't you do it? |
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| 17:29.38 | gan | wols_, i am not getting , what i have to do |
| 17:30.01 | l0c4lh0st | I just succeeded upgrading my slug to Lenny |
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| 17:30.28 | l0c4lh0st | Also succeeded building the rt2x00 driver with the 80211 functions, now I have a lot more aliasses, including the one for the vendor ID on my card :) |
| 17:30.28 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:30.42 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: but does the new module work? |
| 17:30.57 | l0c4lh0st | modinfo rt73usb gives me the correct output |
| 17:31.05 | l0c4lh0st | And it includes the correct vendor ID |
| 17:31.13 | l0c4lh0st | So now trying to insert my WLAN stick :) |
| 17:31.16 | l0c4lh0st | and see what happens |
| 17:31.18 | gan | wols_, how to get this config file |
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| 17:33.36 | wols_ | there is a kernel source, somewhere. it has the file |
| 17:33.48 | wols_ | any debian kernel has it in the finished package too |
| 17:34.31 | joeytwiddle | yep, my kernel's config is in /boot |
| 17:34.50 | joeytwiddle | i think you need to copy that into the build directory, when you are recompiling the kernel |
| 17:34.58 | l0c4lh0st | Hmm, wols_, new errors: http://pastebin.ca/926308 |
| 17:35.28 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: ifconfig -a |
| 17:35.28 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 17:35.40 | l0c4lh0st | SubZero:~# iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 17:35.40 | l0c4lh0st | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 17:35.58 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.ca/926310 |
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| 17:36.24 | wols_ | iwconfig wlan0 then |
| 17:36.31 | cahoot | missing firmware? |
| 17:36.48 | l0c4lh0st | iwconfig wlan0: http://pastebin.ca/926315 |
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| 17:37.12 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: set an essid first |
| 17:37.15 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: Access Point: Not-Associated is bad |
| 17:37.25 | l0c4lh0st | Would that be the SSID of my router? |
| 17:37.28 | wols_ | and yes, essid should be set and dmesg checked |
| 17:37.29 | l0c4lh0st | blubberdiblub |
| 17:37.32 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: yes |
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| 17:37.46 | l0c4lh0st | So I can't scan for AP's? |
| 17:38.05 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: you can, after you set (any) essid and up the interface |
| 17:38.37 | l0c4lh0st | Just did: SubZero:~# iwconfig wlan0 essid Frikandel |
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| 17:39.04 | l0c4lh0st | But I can't bring it up |
| 17:39.10 | themill | l0c4lh0st: do you have a kill switch? |
| 17:39.18 | blubberdiblub | what does dmesg say after you try to bring it up? |
| 17:39.38 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, failed to request firmware. |
| 17:39.51 | l0c4lh0st | Doesn't say where it tries to find the firmware though. |
| 17:39.51 | blubberdiblub | do you have the firmware still in place? |
| 17:40.03 | blubberdiblub | usual place. /lib/firmware/rt73.bin |
| 17:40.08 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, the firmware is not in /lib/firmware anymore. |
| 17:40.09 | cahoot | and correct version? |
| 17:40.13 | l0c4lh0st | Hmmm, how to get it there? |
| 17:40.29 | blubberdiblub | copy it there ;) or use the firmware-ralink package, either one would do |
| 17:40.38 | l0c4lh0st | I'll use the firmware-ralink package |
| 17:40.41 | l0c4lh0st | I don't have a copy anymore.. |
| 17:41.05 | blubberdiblub | well, the accompanying driver cd should have the firmware as well |
| 17:41.06 | l0c4lh0st | I now see that upgrading to Lenny, my Samba accounts got killed lol |
| 17:41.16 | l0c4lh0st | So that's another thing to fix.. |
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| 17:41.54 | l0c4lh0st | btw, blubberdiblub, you're Dutch, or not? |
| 17:42.03 | blubberdiblub | no, german |
| 17:42.07 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, close. |
| 17:42.17 | l0c4lh0st | Your nickname "sounds" Dutch. |
| 17:42.18 | blubberdiblub | yeah, quite ;) |
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| 17:42.24 | phorce1 | could someone running lenny please pastebin the output of 'ls -l /' for me? I just pulled a boner and did a chown xxx:xxx * while sitting at / |
| 17:42.26 | blubberdiblub | ah, well, don't know |
| 17:42.40 | l0c4lh0st | heh cool |
| 17:42.43 | l0c4lh0st | iwlist scan works :D |
| 17:43.03 | blubberdiblub | sure :) |
| 17:43.12 | l0c4lh0st | Although it finds only my own router, while there are way more in the hood. |
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| 17:43.42 | mbroeker | phorce1, cd / && chmod 755 * && chmod +t /tmp |
| 17:43.49 | blubberdiblub | try some more scans. or try tuning up the signal or something (or placing the card somewhere else) |
| 17:44.19 | l0c4lh0st | I think turning up the signal would be a good idea, I'll go google and find out how to do it :) |
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| 17:44.51 | phorce1 | mbroeker: will change the ownerships back to what they were before I changed them to something else? |
| 17:44.55 | Dewi | I currently have grub installed on hd0 |
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| 17:45.03 | Dewi | however this is about to become hd3 or something |
| 17:45.05 | l0c4lh0st | Hm actually that's abit hard to google o.O |
| 17:45.09 | mbroeker | phorce1, its all owned by root |
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| 17:45.23 | Dewi | how do I install grub on the new hd0? |
| 17:45.29 | Xcerca | hi all |
| 17:45.32 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, after a few more scans it also shows my neighbours SSID. :) |
| 17:45.34 | l0c4lh0st | That's so nice. |
| 17:45.41 | gentgeen__ | How can I use dd to create a 1 mb, blank file? |
| 17:45.47 | l0c4lh0st | I finally got this stubborn driver working the way it should. |
| 17:45.53 | Xcerca | cool |
| 17:46.15 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, Quality 47/100, that's not so great... is it? |
| 17:46.22 | phorce1 | mbroeker: that sounds right, I just wanted to be sure by looking at the output from someone elses ls -l / ... I didn't chmod anything, just chown |
| 17:46.23 | l0c4lh0st | My own router is 50/100 |
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| 17:47.05 | Xcerca | whats the command to list all hard rives and partitions fstab somthing.. ? |
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| 17:47.20 | mbroeker | dd if=/dev/zero of=largefile bs=512 count=2000 gentgeen__ |
| 17:47.21 | blubberdiblub | well, half the possible signal strength should be sufficient |
| 17:47.21 | phorce1 | mbroeker: so chown root:root * should fix it back |
| 17:47.27 | mbroeker | phorce1, yes |
| 17:47.54 | gentgeen__ | mbroeker, thanks.. I was missing the count part |
| 17:48.00 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: try placing it somewhere else. interferences are quite dependent on placement |
| 17:48.01 | gentgeen__ | how do you figure that out? |
| 17:48.12 | phorce1 | mbroeker: That's what I get for having 6 or 8 terminals open doing different things all at the same time |
| 17:48.16 | l0c4lh0st | Well that's a little problem hehe, it's tied up to the wall :D |
| 17:48.36 | mbroeker | phorce1, http://rafb.net/p/nXCea330.html :) |
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| 17:48.46 | MinuteElectron | Hello, I just installed debian and it detected the network while isntalling but now it won't connect - any ideas what coopuld be worng? |
| 17:48.51 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: oh, well, then you have to live with that signal strength. anyways 50% is not that bad |
| 17:48.53 | mbroeker | ahhhh |
| 17:49.05 | l0c4lh0st | Argh...... So I picked it up, accidentally pressed the reboot button on the front >.< |
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| 17:49.15 | l0c4lh0st | Why did they make it a reboot button anyway lol |
| 17:49.19 | mbroeker | phorce1, a better one: http://rafb.net/p/o3NBSA35.html |
| 17:49.54 | Dewi | why is only one drive in my device.map? |
| 17:50.29 | l0c4lh0st | Reboots are evil :< |
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| 17:51.35 | phorce1 | mbroeker: thanks |
| 17:51.35 | l0c4lh0st | Ah netsplits. |
| 17:51.35 | l0c4lh0st | Brings back memories. |
| 17:51.35 | mbroeker | brown.freenode.net is off for civiliants right now... |
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| 17:52.26 | l0c4lh0st | Once the reboot is done, I guess it's time to go play with aireplay ^^ |
| 17:53.45 | Xcerca | any dreamlinux users in here ? |
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| 17:54.16 | wols_ | !dreamlinux |
| 17:54.16 | dpkg | well, dreamlinux is a Brazillian live CD based on Debian, <Knoppix> and <Morphix>. User forum is at http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/forum.html. #dreamlinux @ irc.freenode.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 17:54.36 | l0c4lh0st | blubberdiblub: Got any idea why it sometimes says "No results" and when I scan again, it comes up with 2 SSIDs? |
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| 17:55.55 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: i think that's somehow the way this driver behaves ... anyways. associating it permanently with an essid you give to it should work fine |
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| 17:56.29 | l0c4lh0st | essid means, the name of the card? Or what? |
| 17:56.50 | Guerin | name of the network |
| 17:56.50 | wols_ | the name of the AP to associate with |
| 17:56.55 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: the ssid (== essid). Frikandel in your case |
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| 17:57.23 | l0c4lh0st | But I don't care for the networks... I just wanna do some aireplay on the SSIDs I find =) |
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| 18:00.42 | Xcerca | is there a command to list all hdds and partitions, i remember somthing like fstab |
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| 18:01.30 | blubberdiblub | Xcerca: depending on what you want, "cat /proc/partitions" might be it |
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| 18:03.51 | dupesfield | what ftp client does fxp under ubuntu? |
| 18:04.22 | craigevil | !ubuntu |
| 18:04.22 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:04.22 | Xcerca | thanks , i'm having trouble booting into debain with other hdds enabled, so i'm just trying to hack around, mabey some setting i have is wrong... |
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| 18:05.09 | wols_ | Xcerca: your bios settings |
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| 18:06.14 | Tuxelchen | moin moin :D ich schon wieder :P |
| 18:06.19 | Tuxelchen | ich habe mal eine Frage :) |
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| 18:06.35 | Tuxelchen | oh sry. false channel |
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| 18:08.06 | sepski | dupesfield, ubuntu is not the same as debian so what we tell you will ruin your system, kill your cat and leave your fridge open.... but you should be able to search with apt-cache search fxp |
| 18:08.36 | blubberdiblub | Tuxelchen: *g* |
| 18:09.20 | l0c4lh0st | Hmm, I gotta laugh about this.... So actually the rt73 driver would have worked maybe too, if I had scanned a bit more lol |
| 18:09.32 | Tuxelchen | i want to join #debain.de g^^ |
| 18:09.55 | craigevil | Tuxelchen: then do /j #debain.de |
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| 18:10.41 | blubberdiblub | well, checking your spelling first might help, too, Tuxelchen ;) |
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| 18:12.18 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, I guess I'm in some kind of dead spot here. |
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| 18:13.04 | holst | enough with this already :) |
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| 18:13.13 | holst | NIN isnt even good enough to bother to warez proper |
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| 18:13.18 | Xcerca | wols_ what was it about my bios settings ? |
| 18:13.33 | wols_ | Xcerca: wrog boot order |
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| 18:14.15 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: there are all kinds of weird things you could do to improve your signal strength. i'm not into radio stuff, but i think i've read people have attached aluminum foil and stuff to the walls and such kinds of things |
| 18:14.37 | l0c4lh0st | hah nice |
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| 18:14.57 | Superbartt | Pringles!!!! |
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| 18:15.08 | l0c4lh0st | I know my router has some sort of setting for boosting the strength |
| 18:15.15 | l0c4lh0st | I guess that won't be possible with this WLAN stick, would it? |
| 18:15.21 | l0c4lh0st | Superbartt: Now already? :D |
| 18:15.31 | SexyKen | Hey guys has anyone seen "neighbor table overflow" error before - my console is being flooded with this error. |
| 18:15.32 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: well, read up on the iwconfig manpage ;) |
| 18:15.49 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, I guess that'll be a good manual page to read. |
| 18:16.06 | Xcerca | wols_ i switched it to boot the grub>debian drive first... and it gets to the screen after uncompressing linux.. loading then stalls, is there a option i can do in grub to show me the output and mabey see the error message instal of just a progress bar ? |
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| 18:16.25 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 18:16.28 | wols_ | Xcerca: need more info |
| 18:16.51 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: especially the txpower and sens commands to iwconfig might be interesting |
| 18:16.54 | Ace2016 | Is there a ! for installing truecrypt on an external drive? |
| 18:17.01 | Ace2016 | !truecrypt |
| 18:17.01 | dpkg | truecrypt is, like, a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org |
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| 18:17.14 | l0c4lh0st | I'll keep that in mind, thanks blubberdiblub |
| 18:17.18 | Ace2016 | ty ace |
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| 18:17.57 | ezguy | hi, i have setup cupsys and able to test a test page, but can't seem to print with xpdf. any ideas? |
| 18:18.20 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: those will of course only work if the driver _and_ the card support setting them, but a little bit of experimentation cannot hurt ;) |
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| 18:18.33 | l0c4lh0st | indeed |
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| 18:18.41 | wlfwhiterabbit | hi! why if i boot my pc and log into kde i obtain direct rendering and with gnome or twm i do not obtain it? i'm using a S3 Savage4 with savage driver |
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| 18:20.20 | Xcerca | i have two hdds the first one boots windows and the second boots debian , when i have them both enabled i he bios and boot to the debian drive i get to uncompressing linux... loading , then a progress bar that doesn't move . so then i tried disabling the first hdd from the bios and booting into the debian drive (like i am now) and it boots fine , so i'm thinking that mabey when i enable the first hdd it changes the drive lables sda sd |
| 18:20.32 | l0c4lh0st | SubZero:~# iwconfig wlan0 sens -80 |
| 18:20.32 | l0c4lh0st | Error for wireless request "Set Sensitivity" (8B08) : |
| 18:20.32 | l0c4lh0st | SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported. |
| 18:20.33 | l0c4lh0st | ack |
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| 18:20.38 | l0c4lh0st | Argh, I'm sorry |
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| 18:21.02 | l0c4lh0st | heh, txpower not supported either. |
| 18:21.08 | l0c4lh0st | Guess that won't leave me much to try :P |
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| 18:21.35 | Xcerca | i'm going to play around with the grub lines... |
| 18:21.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 18:21.41 | Ergo^ | does anyone know how to create bootable flash drive with debian install under windows ? |
| 18:22.08 | l0c4lh0st | Btw, can I scan longer? |
| 18:22.14 | l0c4lh0st | It seems to go scan for about... 3 seconds |
| 18:22.20 | l0c4lh0st | Let's say I want it to scan 1 minute |
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| 18:22.35 | Maulkin | l0c4lh0st: scan performs a single scan |
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| 18:22.50 | blubberdiblub | well, i don't think so, l0c4lh0st. but it wouldn't be hard to wrap it up in a script that scans as long as you want ;) |
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| 18:29.47 | michael__ | is there any way to export device files from a server to a client? |
| 18:29.57 | sepski | nbd |
| 18:30.07 | michael__ | nbd? |
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| 18:30.31 | l0c4lh0st | Opening test.cap |
| 18:30.31 | l0c4lh0st | read(file header) failed: Success |
| 18:30.32 | l0c4lh0st | lol |
| 18:30.39 | sepski | michael__, yes good try. now do that in google. |
| 18:30.57 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: How are you choosing which WM to log into? Why do you say you have no direct rendering? |
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| 18:32.55 | michael__ | are you sure it supports it sepski , i dont see it |
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| 18:33.13 | Akuwamari | is there any gnome channel? |
| 18:33.16 | michael__ | else its no help that you recommend some fs to me |
| 18:33.20 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, i don't choose the wm, kde uses kwin (i suppose) and gnome uses metacity |
| 18:33.36 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: Well, how are you switching between desktop environments? |
| 18:33.41 | sepski | michael__, nbd (network block device) let you export a block device across the network |
| 18:33.48 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: And can you pastebin the X logs from a KDE run and a gnome run? |
| 18:33.50 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, i choose the desktop environement via gdm |
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| 18:33.57 | Akuwamari | to autoload apps when gnome start |
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| 18:35.07 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, how should i grep the X logs? (thanks!!) |
| 18:35.36 | o2T7 | localhost: Probably you may want to sniff wireless traffic |
| 18:35.44 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: Just pastebin the whole things |
| 18:35.54 | chops | !tell wlfwhiterabbit about pastebin pipe |
| 18:37.10 | l0c4lh0st | o2T7: how to do that? |
| 18:37.21 | l0c4lh0st | And how do I make dmesg show timecodes in front of each line? |
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| 18:38.01 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, i'm so noob but i don't know which log do you mean |
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| 18:38.19 | path_ | !lspci |
| 18:38.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, lspci is a PCI utility to list all PCI devices. It requires kernel 2.1.82 or better. In the pciutils package, or see pciids, or ask me about <pciid> |
| 18:39.03 | o2T7 | localhost: You need programs such as 'airodump' or 'kismet' and a wireless card which supports monitor mode (your card does -- did i read rt2x00?) |
| 18:39.05 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: It's usually /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.7.log -- see which one's new |
| 18:39.19 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: Also, how again are you concluding that DRI is enabled for one and not the other? |
| 18:39.23 | Xcerca | wol_ i figured it out , i added a new entry in grub/menu.lst called test with the root as sdb3 instal of sda3 , tested it out and it works, i can boot into debian with all of my hdds enabled |
| 18:39.47 | michael__ | ok thanks sepski , just wanted to be sure, i didnt find it on the page at first.. before i start compiling kernel on my server. |
| 18:40.03 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, i use glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" and then i try to use 3ddesktop (a surrogate of the cube) |
| 18:40.13 | l0c4lh0st | o2T7: Yes, my card uses the rt2x00 driver. It has the RT73 (Ralink) chipset on it. |
| 18:40.23 | l0c4lh0st | I read it needs to support "injection" too. Is that right? |
| 18:40.30 | Xcerca | now i just need to get it to automaticly mount all of my ntfs partitions ... :-/ |
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| 18:40.52 | o2T7 | localhost: No, it doesn't need to only monitor |
| 18:40.56 | Gm4n | Does etch ship with SELinux by default? |
| 18:41.08 | abrotman | enabled? |
| 18:41.10 | Xcerca | whats the file that lists partitions to mount on boot ? |
| 18:41.16 | abrotman | /etc/fstab |
| 18:41.21 | Xcerca | thx |
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| 18:41.37 | sepski | michael__, why bother compiling when the debian kernels have it as a module allready ? |
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| 18:42.40 | michael__ | i use a small kernel om my server, so it will need recompiling, it only got xfs,ext3,nfs server fs in |
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| 18:43.09 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: And glxinfo tells you different things? Can you pastebin the full output of glxinfo under the one and then under the other? I suspect that your problem is which WM you're running, and nothing to do with DRI specifically. |
| 18:43.41 | michael__ | i dont like debian precompiled kernels, i like to tweak my own kernel sepski |
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| 18:44.13 | michael__ | and also i have patched it. |
| 18:44.15 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, thanks for the help, wait a minute and i'll do as you say |
| 18:44.25 | chops | michael__: You're asking for problems by using a non-Debian kernel. Don't say we didn't warn you. :-) |
| 18:44.30 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: np |
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| 18:45.10 | michael__ | what's the worst thing that can happen? i only want to export 1 device file :) |
| 18:45.31 | michael__ | perhaps it wont work at all.. |
| 18:46.02 | l0c4lh0st | o2T7: Any idea on how to set my WLAN stick to monitor mode? :) |
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| 18:46.06 | michael__ | also readonly should be fine |
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| 18:46.46 | o2T7 | localhost: `iwconfig ra0 mode monitor` |
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| 18:47.27 | o2T7 | localhost: But the programs that I said before do it for you when they start |
| 18:47.45 | l0c4lh0st | SET failed on device wlan0 ; Device or resource busy. |
| 18:47.46 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, under kde http://pastebin.ca/926477 |
| 18:47.47 | l0c4lh0st | Hm. |
| 18:48.07 | o2T7 | localhost: ifconfig down it before |
| 18:48.09 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, I had to bring it down before doing that :) |
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| 18:48.13 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, too late :P |
| 18:48.45 | l0c4lh0st | Cool, my neighbours network is now being listed twice |
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| 18:51.13 | alex_ | Hi guys. Could someone let me know what software I need to connec to my VPN at work? |
| 18:51.17 | alex_ | I'm on my home PC at the moment 8) |
| 18:51.30 | chops | alex_: What kind of VPN is it? |
| 18:51.40 | alex_ | I'm not sure. |
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| 18:52.05 | alex_ | Sorry I'm so vague, chops. |
| 18:52.06 | chops | alex_: Well, then, I'm not sure the answer to your question :-). |
| 18:52.22 | alex_ | chops, is there not a generic VPN client? |
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| 18:52.36 | alex_ | Something which covers mult-protocals |
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| 18:53.34 | abrotman | !vpn |
| 18:53.34 | dpkg | from memory, vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or at http://openvpn.net/ |
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| 18:53.36 | smr | alex_, my bet is that it is ipsec. take a look at openswan |
| 18:53.43 | alex_ | OK, thanks. |
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| 18:55.42 | chops | alex_: There's not a single VPN client that covers multiple protocols that I'm aware of. |
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| 18:55.56 | Justin | network manager has plugins for most vpns |
| 18:56.29 | l0c4lh0st | lol, for installing kismet, it needs to install 66 other packages too xD |
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| 18:57.10 | chops | l0c4lh0st: Hence the necessity of package management |
| 18:57.36 | l0c4lh0st | heh yeah I wouldn't want to do that all by myself lol |
| 18:57.55 | o2T7 | localhost: 'aircrack-ng', shich contains airodump needs less than kismet |
| 18:58.13 | o2T7 | s/shich/which/ |
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| 18:58.30 | chops | l0c4lh0st: Speaking as someone who used to install KDE via hand compilation... package management is a better way. :-) |
| 18:58.44 | l0c4lh0st | like, omg hehe |
| 18:58.59 | l0c4lh0st | o2T7: It's already installing... |
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| 18:59.17 | l0c4lh0st | I installed aircrack-ng too btw. |
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| 19:01.38 | l0c4lh0st | Man, I've got a loooot packages on my slug now. I guess I'll be reinstalling this box in the summer vacation sometime. |
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| 19:02.15 | l0c4lh0st | Put standard slug Debian image on it, immediately upgrade to the latest Lenny Debian and put Lighttpd instead of Apache on it |
| 19:02.15 | amphi | pon |
| 19:02.17 | amphi | Nyle: pon |
| 19:02.28 | Nyle | hi |
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| 19:02.43 | Nyle | working on some layouts for my site |
| 19:02.54 | justm1 | what are h the Debian packaging standards? |
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| 19:03.13 | Nyle | !policy |
| 19:03.13 | dpkg | from memory, policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 19:03.20 | justm1 | and why wouldent a package comply with them ? |
| 19:03.23 | untitled | hi, how can i install kde 3.5.9 in debian with apt-get? |
| 19:03.27 | abrotman | justm1: need more details |
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| 19:03.32 | Nyle | untitled: etch? |
| 19:03.46 | untitled | Nyle, there is no such package even in sid =\ |
| 19:03.49 | abrotman | untitled: which version of debian ? |
| 19:03.51 | untitled | 3.5.8 only |
| 19:03.55 | untitled | lenny/sid |
| 19:03.55 | Nyle | then wait |
| 19:04.02 | abrotman | !info kdebase |
| 19:04.04 | lontra | untitled: you can't yet |
| 19:04.05 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 19:04.08 | Nyle | it should be coming soon, it was only released lastweek I think |
| 19:04.09 | lontra | untitled: it hasn't been packaged |
| 19:04.12 | untitled | =( |
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| 19:04.16 | abrotman | untitled: you can ask #debian-kde if you really are that much in a hurry .. |
| 19:04.23 | untitled | ok, thanks for the info |
| 19:04.25 | justm1 | should i be afraid of a package that doesent comply with them ? |
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| 19:04.29 | lontra | untitled: and i know right now that they aren't working on it because of imagemagick and xine issues with testing |
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| 19:04.40 | abrotman | justm1: whihc package.. and how does it fail? |
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| 19:05.30 | justm1 | abrotman http://kwk.plothe-kleine.de/?p=51 i want to see if i can get head tracking to work with compiz-fusion |
| 19:05.53 | untitled | but I still can download the source, make a package with dkpg and install it? |
| 19:05.57 | abrotman | justm1: that page is about ubuntu .. and you still didn't say how it fails policy |
| 19:06.27 | abrotman | justm1: they don't say how it fails .. could be file placement or any number of things .. but please ask #ubuntu |
| 19:06.40 | abrotman | justm1: i'm not even sure if ubuntu policy is the same as debian .. please ask them |
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| 19:06.56 | justm1 | i dont know how it fails i know it has been tested on ubuntu but it should work in debian |
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| 19:07.25 | abrotman | justm1: you do whatever you want .. no one here will support you putting ubuntu packages on debian |
| 19:07.49 | justm1 | thanks |
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| 19:08.13 | lontra | couldn't he have rebuilt the ubuntu source though using debian dependencies? |
| 19:08.34 | abrotman | lontra: no idea .. you try it |
| 19:08.38 | Nyle | don't do that |
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| 19:09.20 | lontra | abrotman: nah ... binaries are the reason i use debian why would i want to waste my time compiling? |
| 19:09.29 | chops | lontra: He could do that; the hard part is what the software does after that. It's not a good thing to recommend to people, because it sometimes doesn't work at all. |
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| 19:10.04 | lontra | just a thought ... i also see there's a tarball there he should just use that and use dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 19:10.21 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, I installed aircrack-ng, but no airodump is included? |
| 19:10.21 | chops | lontra: "should" is not the right word there |
| 19:10.32 | lontra | chops: fine 'could' |
| 19:10.35 | l0c4lh0st | o2T7? |
| 19:10.39 | michelll | Hi all. I have made some own changes to the kernel source. I save the sources in a version system (svn). Then I build my own kernel packages using make-kpkg. I like to include the svn revision number into the package name so that I can keep track of the packages and sourcecode. I do not know if I need to change the EXTRAVERSION= or that I need to edit the /debian/changelog file. Any ideas about this? My own guess is to use the changelog file, |
| 19:11.06 | chops | michelll: make-kpkg takes an argument which allows you to modify the version string, make make-kpkg |
| 19:11.11 | Nyle | l0c4lh0st: dpkg -L aircrack-ng|grep bin |
| 19:11.21 | chops | michelll: *man make-kpkg |
| 19:11.46 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, it does exist. It's just called airodump-ng. |
| 19:11.49 | o2T7 | loc4lhost: You need to be root for that |
| 19:11.50 | michelll | chops: thanx for the pointer, i will look into it |
| 19:11.55 | l0c4lh0st | I'm root. :) |
| 19:11.56 | chops | michelll: np |
| 19:12.06 | Nyle | l0c4lh0st: what wifi chip? |
| 19:12.10 | l0c4lh0st | Rt73 |
| 19:12.18 | l0c4lh0st | (Ralink) |
| 19:12.20 | Nyle | l0c4lh0st: patched for injection? or have you got multiple machines? |
| 19:12.34 | michelll | chops: is that version string independent of the changelog file? |
| 19:12.40 | l0c4lh0st | uhm. Not that I know of... o2T7 said it would work |
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| 19:12.53 | chops | michelll: make-kpkg doesn't use a changelog file |
| 19:12.54 | Nyle | l0c4lh0st: so basically you have no idea what you are upto ;) |
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| 19:14.02 | l0c4lh0st | Nice, it's working. |
| 19:14.07 | michelll | chops: ok ofcourse, thanx |
| 19:14.10 | chops | michelll: make-kpkg is not analagous to dpkg-buildpackage; much more so to 'make' (although it does produce a .deb) |
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| 19:14.17 | l0c4lh0st | Quite a lot BSSIDs here. |
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| 19:14.32 | Nyle | you are only running airodump on it? |
| 19:14.33 | l0c4lh0st | This is some nice and interesting stuff :) |
| 19:14.40 | l0c4lh0st | airodump-ng, yes. |
| 19:14.47 | o2T7 | Nyle: rt73 is now supported |
| 19:15.01 | l0c4lh0st | I'll let this run and go have a walk with the dog :) |
| 19:15.01 | SexyKen | What's the difference between: auto eth1 AND allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 19:15.41 | o2T7 | loc4lhost: It may grow up a bit |
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| 19:16.18 | Gurax | Hi all. Can anyone tell me why when I use the htb.init script, I see a message from "find" saying: "you have specified the -maxdepth option after a non-option argument -type, but options are not positional" |
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| 19:16.48 | Gurax | is the htb.init script messed up ? |
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| 19:18.13 | abrotman | sure sounds that way |
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| 19:18.28 | ks | how do I get ip address assigned by dhcp to debian box, other than ifconfig ? |
| 19:18.32 | ajricoveri | what is the purpose of this flag ?? -> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr |
| 19:18.37 | azeem | ks: syslog, e.g. |
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| 19:18.51 | azeem | ajricoveri: did you try google? |
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| 19:19.13 | ks | azeem sorry didn't get it |
| 19:19.16 | Gurax | abrotman: It seems the previous-to-last version of htb.init has the same issue too. |
| 19:19.36 | SexyKen | What's the difference between: auto eth1 AND allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 19:19.37 | ajricoveri | azeem, yes, lot of info about echoing 1 to it ... what does it do if u setted ?? i couldnt say |
| 19:19.58 | mbroeker | ks, you can use an external service page: http://www.getmyip.org/ |
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| 19:21.07 | holst | whatismyip.com is good too |
| 19:22.10 | ks | hmm.. ok |
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| 19:22.25 | o2T7 | mbroeker, holst: Too much advertising on them. There are other without it ;) |
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| 19:23.46 | holst | lynx -dump whatismyip.com|awk '/^Your IP Address Is/ {print $5}' |
| 19:24.08 | o2T7 | holst: sure |
| 19:24.30 | mbroeker | o2T7, http://largo.homelinux.org/getmyip.php |
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| 19:24.40 | mbroeker | one php line. ;) |
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| 19:24.46 | holst | i wouldnt trust "homelinux.org" sites as far as I could throw them |
| 19:24.49 | o2T7 | mbroeker: That's much better ;) |
| 19:25.09 | mbroeker | holst, shut up: that's my pride:) |
| 19:25.13 | holst | lol |
| 19:25.15 | holst | sorry :) |
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| 19:27.08 | michelll | chops: mmm, when i use the append-to-version argument, the kernel will search in a new modules directory, isn't it? |
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| 19:27.41 | chops | michelll: I believe so... I don't remember what the exact behavior of the make-kpkg arguments is. There is one that does that, though, and I believe it's append-to-version. |
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| 19:28.55 | michelll | chops: thats a shame, because I do not like to also compile my modules again, if i make a small changes to the kernel sources. |
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| 19:29.49 | chops | michelll: There's also one that does that :-). There are two versions at work: the ABI version (which goes into uname -r, the /lib/modules path, and the name of the package), and the Debian-package version (which goes into the .deb version and leaves the ABI version unmodified). |
| 19:29.51 | blubberdiblub | michelll: if using module-assistant, the modules should be fetched out of the usual directory anyways |
| 19:30.28 | bmrtin | can someone help me with a iptables issue http://pastebin.ca/926504 |
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| 19:31.25 | daswork | How do I make it so that a user automatically logs in, no username or password required? |
| 19:31.42 | daswork | I'm making a kiosk that will mount a network drive and run a program... |
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| 19:32.22 | mbroeker | bmrtin, try modprobe ip_tables; modprobe iptable_filter; |
| 19:32.45 | michelll | chops: The only other option is --revision, but i may only include a number there :s |
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| 19:33.38 | ks | can I use dig localhost somehow ? |
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| 19:34.13 | chops | ks: "localhost" shouldn't be resolved by any sane DNS server, I don't believe, so "dig localhost" isn't right. "dig servername @localhost" is perfectly sensible. |
| 19:35.04 | chops | michelll: There's --revision if you want to set the Debian package version, and --append-to-version if you want to modify the ABI version (which it sounds like you don't). Why do you want to put a non-number in --revision? |
| 19:35.43 | ks | chops http://pastebin.ca/926595 |
| 19:35.44 | Eulex | hah, my dns server (dnsmasq running on aa server) actually resolves localhost... |
| 19:36.13 | chops | Eulex: dnsmasq is different; it often looks in /etc/hosts and doesn't know any better :-) |
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| 19:36.37 | chops | ks: Well, do you have a DNS server running locally? |
| 19:36.38 | blubberdiblub | if localhost resolves to 127.0.0.1 then, this shouldn't do any harm |
| 19:36.38 | Eulex | yeah |
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| 19:37.01 | ks | chops: don't think so |
| 19:37.03 | toad_ | how do i tell dhcpd to use a specific interface? there's nothing about interfaces in the man page |
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| 19:37.26 | chops | ks: What are you trying to do? "dig servername @localhost" will fail unless there's a DNS server running on localhost, yes. |
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| 19:37.44 | \amethyst | toad_: local-address |
| 19:37.51 | ks | just need to get publicly available ip address |
| 19:38.11 | toad_ | that's not in man dhcpd.conf either... hmmm |
| 19:38.25 | toad_ | in fact i have /etc/dhcpd.conf and /etc/dhcp3/... |
| 19:38.35 | toad_ | one of them must be deprecated |
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| 19:38.37 | ks | chops: i need to submit ip adress of debian box to external service |
| 19:38.53 | michelll | chops: I expected that question. Then I will stick to only the svn revision number in the --revision flag. I thought that it should also be possible to add something like r330, but appearantly there isn't. |
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| 19:39.14 | \amethyst | toad_: local-address is in my manpage (dhcp3-server 3.1.0-3) |
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| 19:39.29 | mbroeker | ks: register to dyndns and give your customer, friend, whatever your dyndns hostname. |
| 19:39.32 | ks | chops: of course it can be requested from other side too, just wonder if this might be done locally |
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| 19:40.06 | toad_ | \amethyst: package problem, thanks |
| 19:40.07 | Tramp | per RFC 1912 every nameserver should resolve localhost (section 4.1) |
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| 19:40.21 | ks | mbroeker: nah, those are virtual instances, they are coming up and down all over |
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| 19:40.38 | toad_ | hmmm i apt-get install dhcp3-server and now i have no man page |
| 19:40.44 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, i'm sorry my mother took me away (i'm the one with the dri problem) |
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| 19:41.03 | aintnobody | k: try netstat in a console.. the local address is at the top of the output |
| 19:41.25 | mbroeker | ks, most modern routers are accessible via upnp and are able to send such informations on demand. if you have such a thing curl is your friend. |
| 19:41.57 | ks | aintnobody: like this http://pastebin.ca/926611 ? |
| 19:42.03 | toad_ | hmmm local-address doesn't look helpful... |
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| 19:42.38 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: No worries |
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| 19:43.03 | ks | mbroeker: i'm planning to use curl or netcat, but at later stage, once i collect all information to send |
| 19:43.12 | meandrain | Hello, any ideea how to install unixbench on Debian 4 using apt-get ? |
| 19:43.20 | chops | ks: This was discussed just earlier, whatismyip.com or similar |
| 19:43.36 | ks | chops ok |
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| 19:44.10 | chops | michelll: Yeah, it would be nice to put alphabetic characters in the version sometimes. I'm not sure if there's a straightforward way to do that bypassing --revision |
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| 19:44.24 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, the NSLU2 gets reaaaally slow from airodump-ng |
| 19:44.46 | toad_ | /etc/default/dhcp3-server :) |
| 19:44.54 | toad_ | you have to specify it there |
| 19:45.06 | l0c4lh0st | But it made me a nice log hehe |
| 19:45.10 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: maybe processing all those packages passing by is giving it a hard time? ;) |
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| 19:45.21 | michelll | chops: ok thanks for your thoughs |
| 19:45.24 | l0c4lh0st | heh I guess |
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| 19:45.34 | blubberdiblub | packets, even |
| 19:45.55 | chops | michelll: np |
| 19:45.57 | aintnobody | ks: when you joined the channel it showed you as ks@206.233.168.166.beanfield.net.. your netstat shows you as 10.0.2.15 |
| 19:46.04 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, most lines don't have an ESSID |
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| 19:47.17 | ks | aintnobody: that netstat was for another instance |
| 19:47.45 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: i guess communications under established association don't need the essid any more ... but that's a wild guess |
| 19:47.57 | meandrain | Hello, any ideea how to install unixbench on Debian 4 using apt-get ? |
| 19:47.57 | l0c4lh0st | ah, nice |
| 19:48.08 | l0c4lh0st | I should let this airodump run 24/7 for a week or so |
| 19:48.46 | chops | meandrain: apt-get install unixbench? :-) |
| 19:49.11 | nepbabu | tingtong... active cracking in progress.. tingtong.. |
| 19:49.26 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 19:49.40 | meandrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.43 | Ace2016 | how do i get gnome power management tool to dim my display after 1 min of inactivity? |
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| 19:51.25 | Ace2016 | i have gnome-power-pre and gnome-power-man running |
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| 19:51.36 | Ace2016 | gnome-power-pre was the configure dialogue |
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| 19:55.44 | Ace2016 | hello? |
| 19:55.50 | Ace2016 | ooo its all empty |
| 19:55.56 | Ace2016 | where is everyone? |
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| 19:57.06 | o2T7 | ?? |
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| 19:58.44 | DawnLight | !ask |
| 19:58.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:59.19 | Ace2016 | i asked already |
| 20:00.28 | Ace2016 | it turns out i need gnome-screensaver too :( |
| 20:00.29 | Ace2016 | kde sucks |
| 20:00.37 | chops | Ace2016: If people who _don't_ know the answer to your question start speaking up... then soon the channel is filled with uninformative negativity. Silence generally indicates no one who's available knows, not necessarily that people are ignoring you. |
| 20:00.42 | Ace2016 | hang on #kde might know how to set this up properly |
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| 20:01.14 | Ace2016 | sigh i hate it when no one knows |
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| 20:05.14 | enouf | Ace2016: tried irc.gnome.org? |
| 20:05.30 | Ace2016 | they have their own irc? |
| 20:05.37 | enouf | i guess so |
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| 20:05.46 | Ace2016 | why can't we just stick with freenode |
| 20:05.53 | enouf | ask them! |
| 20:05.57 | Ace2016 | ok |
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| 20:11.43 | aalex | Hi guys. When I single-left-click on Network Manager and select "Add VPN Connection", I get an error saying I've got nothing installed to allow me to use VPN. Does anyone know what I need? |
| 20:12.01 | chops | aalex: Do you know what kind of VPN you're connecting to yet? |
| 20:12.07 | aalex | PPTP :) |
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| 20:12.11 | bmrtin | can someone help me with a iptables problem iptables v1.3.1: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 20:12.22 | bmrtin | that is the error i get on boot |
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| 20:12.38 | chops | aalex: pptp-linux is the package that allows you to connect to pptp networks; I'm not sure how it interacts with network manager. |
| 20:12.43 | bmrtin | and i can get out of my network |
| 20:13.15 | Justin | aalex: network-manager-pptp |
| 20:13.18 | aalex | chops, I've already got that installed. Is there another way of creating a VPN? |
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| 20:13.49 | chops | aalex: I had set it up my hand using pptp-linux and pppd, but I don't recommend that way. It sucks. See Justin's recommendation. |
| 20:13.50 | nepbabu | aalex, get vpnc.. it's command line.. |
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| 20:14.15 | wlfwhiterabbit | hi! why under gnome i obtain glxinfo http://pastebin.ca/926663 and under kde http://pastebin.ca/926674 (in the second case i have direct rendering, in the first i haven't) |
| 20:14.16 | Justin | vpnc is for cisco vpn concentrators, not pptp servers |
| 20:14.29 | nepbabu | ahh.. cool.. |
| 20:14.37 | aalex | Justin, I've just had a look on apt-get for network-manager-pptp, I don't have it. |
| 20:15.19 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: That _is_ perplexing |
| 20:15.20 | Justin | oh hmm, ubuntu has that packaged, you might have to build it yourself |
| 20:15.31 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: Can you pastebin the X logs for the two invocations of X? |
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| 20:15.48 | o2T7 | aalex, Justin: Could it be network-manager-openvpn? |
| 20:15.55 | waspius | hi can someone tell me how i can enable 3d acceleration?i have ATI Radeon IGP 345M |
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| 20:16.01 | PDani | hi |
| 20:16.03 | Justin | o2T7: no |
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| 20:16.15 | chops | o2T7: pptp, not openvpn |
| 20:16.36 | aalex | Is there a .deb/.rpm repo somewhere I can look? |
| 20:17.05 | Justin | wlfwhiterabbit: how are you changing between kde and gnome? |
| 20:17.55 | enouf | waspius: /msg dpkg laptop .. but also /msg dpkg fglrx and /msg dpkg ati .. |
| 20:18.17 | wlfwhiterabbit | Justin, via gdm |
| 20:18.35 | l0c4lh0st | Is there a way to set priority of processes? |
| 20:18.43 | chops | l0c4lh0st: renice |
| 20:18.55 | l0c4lh0st | This airodump process is making my machine slow, I'd like to limit it's usage or something. |
| 20:19.10 | enouf | waspius: IOW, get general info from those URLs about laptops, but install any driver the "debian way" .. though i have no personal exp with 3D proprietary drivers |
| 20:19.39 | l0c4lh0st | Hm so I need to find the process ID. |
| 20:19.43 | l0c4lh0st | How did I do that again |
| 20:19.50 | l0c4lh0st | Something with | grep programname |
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| 20:20.27 | enouf | waspius: if you "man radeon" (the Xorg free driver) you find RS200 Radeon IGP330(M)/IGP340(M) |
| 20:20.35 | wlfwhiterabbit | this is /var/log/Xorg.0.log under kde http://pastebin.ca/926689 and this is under gnome http://pastebin.ca/926699 |
| 20:20.38 | enouf | not sure that helps |
| 20:20.47 | jelly-home | l0c4lh0st: man ps. also man pidof and/or pgrep |
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| 20:23.16 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, this is /var/log/Xorg.0.log under kde http://pastebin.ca/926689 and this is under gnome http://pastebin.ca/926699 |
| 20:23.23 | chops | l0c4lh0st: pidof |
| 20:23.24 | waspius__ | hi does anyone know how to enable 3d acceletation?i have ATI Radeon IGP 345M |
| 20:23.27 | godwin2 | what i have to do after installing phpmyadmin with aptitude? |
| 20:23.50 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: 926689 isn't working for me |
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| 20:25.10 | lynucs | hey, i have installed debian form netinstall cd.. during install there was a dialog with lots of configuration possibilities.. like wether ip should be got over dhcp, which repositiries to use, languages and lot of other stuff.. is it possible to start that dialog without reinstalling debian? |
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| 20:25.22 | o2T7 | localhost: If you plan to lower the priority of the monitoring tool you must know that it is hopping among channels all the time, so it lose some of the frames. You may want to be more accurate on the traffic you want to monitor, take a look to the program options. |
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| 20:25.31 | o2T7 | loc4lhost* |
| 20:26.03 | lynucs | o2T7: you mean l0c4lh0st |
| 20:26.22 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, i've reuploaded x under kde at http://pastebin.ca/926714 |
| 20:27.07 | simonrvn | it's call tab completion |
| 20:27.24 | simonrvn | ...and using proper nicks |
| 20:27.35 | simonrvn | !nickometer l0c4lh0st |
| 20:27.37 | dpkg | 'l0c4lh0st' is 44.000% lame, simonrvn |
| 20:28.07 | enouf | so, who wants to guess how much of this new 80GB HDD i can get this p150 babyAT Award BIOS to see? ;-) |
| 20:28.08 | o2T7 | simonrvn: tab completion doesn't work for me with all the nicks of the channel |
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| 20:28.46 | pleed_ | Since the vmsplice kernel exploit there was no new kernel. do i have to build my own to fix it? |
| 20:28.47 | salvin | !nickometer o2T7 |
| 20:28.49 | dpkg | 'o2T7' is 20.000% lame, salvin |
| 20:28.59 | chops | pleed_: There is a new kernel to fix the vmsplice exploit |
| 20:29.00 | simonrvn | o2T7: using 'Konversation' or soemthing? ;) |
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| 20:29.16 | craigevil | tab complete works in Konversation :) |
| 20:29.18 | pleed_ | chops: Does the version matter? |
| 20:29.20 | chops | pleed_: You do not need to compile your own if you're using a supported Debian kernel |
| 20:29.23 | chops | pleed_: Yes |
| 20:29.24 | o2T7 | simonrvn: ksirc |
| 20:29.51 | lynucs | i have installed debian form netinstall cd.. during install there was a dialog with lots of configuration possibilities.. like wether ip should be got over dhcp, which repositiries to use, languages and lot of other stuff.. is it possible to start that dialog without reinstalling debian? |
| 20:30.01 | lynucs | anyone? |
| 20:30.03 | lynucs | :) |
| 20:30.10 | thebish0p | !nickmeter chops |
| 20:30.10 | dpkg | chops is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 20:30.20 | simonrvn | anyone left |
| 20:30.23 | pleed_ | chops: okay and how long do i have to wait for the fixed debian package? |
| 20:30.33 | simonrvn | ok, stop abusing the nickometer |
| 20:30.40 | chops | pleed_: The Debian packages are provided already |
| 20:30.46 | chops | pleed_: Why do you believe they aren't? |
| 20:30.48 | salvin | pleed_, in sid is fixed |
| 20:30.59 | salvin | but you can try |
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| 20:31.09 | salvin | compile and execute it |
| 20:31.34 | craigevil | the etch kernel was updated within a couple days of the bug being found, no need to use a sid kernel |
| 20:31.49 | simonrvn | pleed_: etch got the fix erm, the day after the exploit came out, or just about |
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| 20:32.24 | pleed_ | simonrvn: so i should have seen the reinstallation of linux-image right? |
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| 20:32.33 | salvin | craigevil, i know only in sid is fixed.... |
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| 20:33.05 | chops | salvin: That doesn't mean you should recommend to other that they should install the sid kernel. |
| 20:33.06 | Eulex | pleed_, "... if you're using a debian supported kernel image..." |
| 20:33.19 | salvin | chops, eh? |
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| 20:33.28 | Haris | Hello people |
| 20:33.40 | Haris | What is this in sysctl -a -> net.core.somaxconn = 128 |
| 20:33.40 | odder | hello Haris |
| 20:33.48 | themill | simonrvn: be nice to Konversation... nothing wrong with it ;) |
| 20:33.52 | salvin | i don't recommend nothing |
| 20:34.02 | simonrvn | pleed_: reinstallation? i'm sure you would've noticed this stuff |
| 20:34.03 | Haris | and this -> net.ipv4.ip_conntrack_max = 65504 |
| 20:34.05 | chops | salvin: You said, "pleed_ in sid is fixed". That sounds like advice to use the sid kernel. |
| 20:34.23 | Haris | is this number of connections of max connections the box will do connection tracking for |
| 20:34.26 | salvin | no |
| 20:34.35 | simonrvn | themill: nyah ;p |
| 20:34.52 | pleed_ | simonrvn: well its as follows: i just did apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade but my kernel ist still from 2007. i m using 2.6.22 from backports. |
| 20:35.00 | simonrvn | chops: not really, but s/he should have qualified it yes |
| 20:35.16 | pleed_ | simonrvn: i mean the vmlinuz in /boot is from 2007 |
| 20:35.37 | \amethyst | pleed_: try using the 2.6.22 from lenny updates instead perhaps |
| 20:35.47 | chops | pleed_: backports are not supported by Debian security, although in general they get pretty good security support. |
| 20:36.01 | simonrvn | pleed_: i don't use backports kernels, but they should've gotten it an updated one if they're on top of it. um, check your actual file, not the symlink |
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| 20:36.34 | chops | pleed_: There must be some backported kernel with the vmsplice security fix in backports; you may have to explicitly request it (e.g. if you installed the kernel by specific ABI number instead of installing linux-image-2.6-686) |
| 20:36.35 | pleed_ | simonrvn: i did so. it s from 04.12.2007 |
| 20:37.01 | \amethyst | pleed_: what version is the kernel? |
| 20:37.15 | pleed_ | 2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 20:37.37 | \amethyst | pleed_: what debian version? ( dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 ) |
| 20:38.18 | pleed_ | \amethyst: debian etch |
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| 20:38.32 | pleed_ | \amethyst: 4.0 |
| 20:38.34 | \amethyst | pleed_: no, I mean what is the debian version of the package you are installing |
| 20:38.43 | \amethyst | pleed_: what is the output of dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 20:38.44 | fiendishfish | fiendishfish@home:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/firestarter start Starting the Firestarter firewall: failed. |
| 20:38.48 | fiendishfish | I dunno why firestarter is failing :;/ |
| 20:38.50 | salvin | in etch there's the same kernel of lenny? |
| 20:38.59 | \amethyst | pleed_: does it have bpo40+1 or bpo40+2 ? |
| 20:39.02 | chops | salvin: No, there isn't. |
| 20:39.09 | pleed_ | 2.6.22-6~bpo40+1 |
| 20:39.11 | themill | pleed_: precisely which 2.6.22 kernel? (uname -r) |
| 20:39.20 | simonrvn | s,debian version,package version, \amethyst ;) |
| 20:39.40 | salvin | chops, in lenny there's linux-image-2.6.22-3 |
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| 20:39.53 | \amethyst | pleed_: you need the 2.6.22-4 from backports.org then |
| 20:40.02 | chops | salvin: Yes, and in etch there isn't, which is why I answered "no". |
| 20:40.19 | salvin | ah ok |
| 20:40.26 | pleed_ | \amethyst: okay thanks. but i m still wondering why i doesnt get updated when doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:40.54 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: I'm not sure what to tell you... it looks like you should have DRI in both. Perhaps the WM for one is doing something fancy on your behalf (loading kernel modules?) |
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| 20:41.09 | \amethyst | pleed_: because there isn't a metapackage (AFAIK) to pull in the latest backported kernel |
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| 20:41.33 | simonrvn | i think there is |
| 20:41.36 | simonrvn | @wb themill |
| 20:41.40 | ravenbird | Welcome back themill, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chloroform. |
| 20:41.43 | themill | :( |
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| 20:42.02 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, anyway thank you very much... |
| 20:42.03 | subsume|work | Is there some way to manage users from https? |
| 20:42.06 | \amethyst | pleed_: if you had linux-image-2.6 installed then dist-upgrading would give you the latest patched *etch* kernel (2.6.18-6), but you seem to want a newer kernel version than that |
| 20:42.27 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: np |
| 20:42.32 | pleed_ | \amethyst: yes i want statefull ipv6... |
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| 20:43.28 | pleed_ | \amethyst: okay thanks, think i have to read more about dpkg, normally using portage on all other machines. |
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| 20:43.49 | themill | pleed_: because I'm using a yoyo for my internet connection I've missed stuff... but there is a 2.6.22-4 on backports.org that I believe fixes vmsplice vuln. Check the changelog. |
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| 20:44.06 | pleed_ | \amethyst: did this vmsplice go over the debian security mailing list? |
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| 20:45.10 | Badran | Haris: Hello, Can you really limit the max connections to be tracked !? |
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| 20:45.33 | Haris | Badran: I don't understand |
| 20:45.45 | themill | pleed_: yes it did. there was a post to d-s-a about it. |
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| 20:46.07 | pleed_ | themill: have to read it more carefully |
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| 20:46.33 | Badran | Haris: i have seen that you was asking about the connection tracking limiting by using sysctl, did you tried it out? |
| 20:47.03 | Haris | no yet |
| 20:47.08 | Haris | not+ yet |
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| 20:47.19 | themill | pleed_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00059.html |
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| 20:47.33 | simonrvn | pleed_: s,read,subscribe and read, |
| 20:47.35 | Haris | I don't want to limit the number of connections being tracked. I want to increase the number of connections that can be opened |
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| 20:47.54 | grendal_prime | hey guys |
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| 20:48.36 | Badran | Harris: i am just felt curious about configuring the network tracking more,.. thanks ;) |
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| 20:53.28 | M[n]M | !op |
| 20:53.30 | M[n]M | !owner |
| 20:53.30 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 20:53.35 | M[n]M | lol |
| 20:53.37 | M[n]M | thank you |
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| 20:56.11 | lynucs | i have installed debian from netinstall cd.. during install there was a dialog with lots of configuration possibilities.. like wether ip should be got over dhcp, which repositories to use, languages and lot of other stuff.. is it possible to start that dialog without reinstalling debian? |
| 20:56.47 | Badran | lynucs: you can do 'dpgk-reconfigure' |
| 20:56.48 | enouf | lynucs: sure |
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| 20:57.30 | themill | lynucs: there is no way to redo the network configuration part of that, but you can redo other parts |
| 20:57.33 | M[n]M | i smell clones |
| 20:57.40 | lynucs | Badran: but it would reconfigure only one package? |
| 20:57.41 | enouf | just quit once you get to er .. some point like maybe partitiooning setup, i'm fairly sure nothing get's written to disk until fairly late in installation process |
| 20:57.47 | lynucs | themill: but not in onw big dialog? |
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| 20:57.59 | lynucs | s/onw/one |
| 20:58.11 | enouf | !wayttd |
| 20:58.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 20:58.52 | lynucs | enouf: well, look wether i might misconfigure sth :) since it is my first debina install |
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| 20:59.35 | enouf | lynucs: everything can be done/reconfigured later/now, whatever - you don't need the installer |
| 20:59.37 | M[n]M | can anybody teach me how to open a server plzz? :( |
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| 20:59.59 | holst | hehe |
| 21:00.12 | o2T7 | M[n]M: Did you locate the door? |
| 21:00.13 | enouf | lynucs: there's an installation log file in /var/ somewhere |
| 21:00.13 | M[n]M | i smell clones.. |
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| 21:00.27 | M[n]M | •o2T7• can i talk to you in prv? |
| 21:00.40 | enouf | in /var/log/installer likely (or similar) |
| 21:00.51 | o2T7 | Please, don't do |
| 21:00.58 | M[n]M | ahh |
| 21:01.01 | M[n]M | i really need help |
| 21:01.04 | lynucs | enouf: thank you i'll look at it |
| 21:01.06 | o2T7 | M[n]M: I was joking |
| 21:01.10 | enouf | take more meds M[n]M |
| 21:01.21 | M[n]M | i have the free server but i don't know how to get a real one and operser v real users |
| 21:01.27 | simonrvn | colours don't get "rendered" here |
| 21:01.36 | simonrvn | !tell M[n]M -about ask |
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| 21:01.57 | Badran | M[n]M: what do you mean about opening a server because it sounds like opening a restaurant... |
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| 21:02.07 | enouf | mmm food |
| 21:02.14 | M[n]M | •Badran• LOL |
| 21:02.18 | M[n]M | that was funny |
| 21:02.27 | enouf | someone fix his rectangles |
| 21:02.31 | simonrvn | ugh, quit it with the colours |
| 21:02.47 | simonrvn | it's supposed to be underlined if i'm reading it right |
| 21:03.24 | enouf | heh, all i see is rectangles, what a dump that client is he's using |
| 21:03.24 | simonrvn | probally mirc + some scripts |
| 21:03.24 | enouf | yeah |
| 21:03.24 | themill | !nickometer M[n]M |
| 21:03.24 | dpkg | 'M[n]M' is 10.000% lame, themill |
| 21:03.30 | M[n]M | thank you thank you xD |
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| 21:03.58 | lynucs | !nickometer lynucs |
| 21:03.59 | dpkg | 'lynucs' is 0.000% lame, lynucs |
| 21:04.07 | lynucs | hm |
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| 21:04.26 | M[n]M | !nickometer lynucs |
| 21:04.27 | dpkg | 'lynucs' is 0.000% lame, m[n]m |
| 21:04.31 | o2T7 | Please, recode dpkg's nickometer |
| 21:04.37 | M[n]M | !nickometer themill |
| 21:04.38 | dpkg | 'themill' is 0.000% lame, m[n]m |
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| 21:04.45 | M[n]M | !nickometer $me |
| 21:04.46 | dpkg | '$me' is 14.000% lame, m[n]m |
| 21:04.47 | M[n]M | woops |
| 21:04.52 | themill | !lose M[n]M |
| 21:04.52 | dpkg | M[n]M: You Lose. |
| 21:04.56 | simonrvn | stop absuing the effing nickometer |
| 21:05.03 | simonrvn | M[n]M: STOP |
| 21:05.04 | M[n]M | yes plzz stop |
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| 21:05.12 | simonrvn | ... |
| 21:05.15 | M[n]M | 0oo you were talking to me? lol sorry |
| 21:05.28 | M[n]M | damn those stupid mIRC colors :'| |
| 21:05.31 | M[n]M | omg |
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| 21:05.47 | M[n]M | those colors are all over my body |
| 21:05.54 | simonrvn | M[n]M: do you have a debian question? if you don't, leave |
| 21:05.54 | M[n]M | on my penic too |
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| 21:06.01 | M[n]M | oo sorry |
| 21:06.03 | lynucs | enouf: if i found sth misconfigured during the install dialog, how can i reconifgure it? with dpkg-reconfigure package? |
| 21:06.08 | M[n]M | i do have a question ser.. |
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| 21:06.17 | enouf | lynucs: depends what it is |
| 21:06.18 | M[n]M | can i ask right now or later? |
| 21:06.22 | simonrvn | *debian* question |
| 21:06.24 | enouf | lynucs: install configure-debian pkg |
| 21:06.38 | M[n]M | ok i am guessing later.. |
| 21:06.43 | enouf | !info configure-debian |
| 21:06.51 | dpkg | configure-debian: (central configuration program for packages using debconf), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 21:07.01 | lynucs | !ask M[n]M |
| 21:07.02 | jim | !ask to ask |
| 21:07.02 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
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| 21:07.18 | simonrvn | M[n]M: ask it now |
| 21:07.51 | lynucs | !info dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 21:08.13 | simonrvn | debconf is what you want.. and please use /msg |
| 21:08.22 | M[n]M | ok.. |
| 21:08.29 | M[n]M | so my qeuestion is |
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| 21:08.31 | M[n]M | how |
| 21:08.33 | M[n]M | ok |
| 21:08.34 | M[n]M | umm |
| 21:08.39 | craigevil | !enter |
| 21:08.39 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 21:08.47 | M[n]M | so i have my own server right? |
| 21:08.53 | kerplunk | hey, in trouble with udev, someone to help ? |
| 21:08.56 | M[n]M | and i wanna make it bigger |
| 21:08.59 | lynucs | simonrvn: ok |
| 21:09.00 | M[n]M | not bigger |
| 21:09.11 | M[n]M | not bigger by increasing the people |
| 21:09.12 | simonrvn | that wasn't for you, that last was for lynucs |
| 21:09.30 | M[n]M | i meant |
| 21:09.44 | M[n]M | get operseerv and nickserv some bots.. |
| 21:09.45 | M[n]M | u know what i mean? |
| 21:09.53 | M[n]M | ahh |
| 21:10.03 | M[n]M | i dont think any body in the channel understood me |
| 21:10.30 | themill | M[n]M: are you trolling? Please ask a debian-related question, be silent or /part |
| 21:10.53 | M[n]M | ugh.. |
| 21:10.55 | M[n]M | BYE! |
| 21:11.06 | M[n]M | damn.. what a rude |
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| 21:11.22 | themill | !win themill |
| 21:11.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 21:11.46 | Nyle | hey |
| 21:11.56 | Nyle | how do I set so that only registered nicks can msg me |
| 21:12.23 | Nyle | hmm nm it is on |
| 21:12.40 | Nyle | I been getting spammed for some linux chan on dalnet and its by registered users |
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| 21:13.02 | enouf | Nyle: everyone has |
| 21:13.23 | craigevil | yep at least one time a day |
| 21:13.40 | enouf | lynucs: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 21:14.39 | simonrvn | we understood... wrong chan |
| 21:14.55 | mrazY | i installed nvidia on debian with 8400M G using installer x86-169.12, workig only until i reboot, then i get black screen. when i install again, it is again working. strange. |
| 21:15.20 | kerplunk | someone to help me with udev ? |
| 21:15.29 | simonrvn | Nyle: i'm getting them too |
| 21:15.36 | simonrvn | kerplunk: just ask the question |
| 21:15.49 | craigevil | mrazY: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:15.53 | mrazY | tried to get it debian way, but after m-a a-i -i -t -f nvidia-kernel got BUILD FAILED! |
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| 21:16.42 | mrazY | craigevil: yes, i am looking on debian wiki whole evening |
| 21:17.11 | kerplunk | simonrvn: i try to make my wifi card work, and when i do a "ifconfig wlan0 up" dmesg tells me that the firmware can't be found |
| 21:17.22 | chops | mrazY: What version of Debian? The Debian way breaks intermittently (as does the nvidia way, apparently, from what you're saying...) |
| 21:17.29 | kerplunk | simonrvn: and it seems its because of udev |
| 21:17.38 | mrazY | chops: testing |
| 21:17.45 | chops | mrazY: You may be able to use the Debian way with an older kernel if you're running sid/lenny and it's currently broken in that version, though. |
| 21:17.55 | chops | mrazY: Checked the BTS? |
| 21:18.27 | chops | mrazY: (This all only applies to the Debian way, of course; for the nvidia installer you're better getting support from nvidia) |
| 21:18.29 | themill | kerplunk: what's the card and what driver are you using for it? |
| 21:18.56 | enouf | and firmware goes in /lib/firmware, iinm |
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| 21:19.23 | enouf | and which debian release are you using kerplunk ? |
| 21:19.36 | lynucs | enouf: okay, thank you |
| 21:19.37 | mrazY | chops: i remember there was a problem with nvidia on testing some months back, but it should be* ok now. whats BTS ? |
| 21:19.45 | kerplunk | linksys wmp54g with b43legacy driver and also the same with dlink 510 with rt61pci driver |
| 21:19.47 | chops | !tell mrazY about bts |
| 21:19.57 | itchi | Which ftp server do you recommend? |
| 21:20.00 | mrazY | ok |
| 21:20.18 | kerplunk | i'm on a Efika powerpc card with a kernel 2.6.24.3 |
| 21:20.28 | enouf | i thought i heard someone "in the know" mention the nvidia testing issue is still unresolved recently |
| 21:20.48 | kerplunk | the debian is a special version made for the Efika card |
| 21:21.32 | kerplunk | yep i made the firmware in lib/firmware and alsa tried a lot of other folders |
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| 21:22.01 | kerplunk | but it's always the same; that's why someone told me it may be cause of udev |
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| 21:22.42 | blubberdiblub | kerplunk: have you payed attention to name the firmware correctly? if you took them from the driver cd they sometimes have upper case names, but usually lower case names are required |
| 21:23.03 | kerplunk | nop the firmware is correct |
| 21:23.13 | chops | enouf: I remember the same thing, though I don't use nvidia and don't keep up with it |
| 21:23.46 | jim | kerplunk: show the fully qualified path name to the firmware |
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| 21:24.05 | enouf | chops: me neither |
| 21:24.24 | enouf | kerplunk: where's that kernel from? |
| 21:24.35 | enouf | and who made it? |
| 21:25.16 | kerplunk | for the Dlink, it's "/lib/firmware/rt2561.bin" |
| 21:25.23 | kerplunk | kernel from kernel.org |
| 21:25.31 | enouf | try a debian one |
| 21:26.00 | Nyle | simonrvn or enouf: do me a favor and msg me with that spam message |
| 21:26.06 | Nyle | let me know after you've done it |
| 21:26.10 | Nyle | (dalnet spam message) |
| 21:26.15 | Nyle | I want to test if my ignore works |
| 21:26.18 | enouf | ok Nyle ? |
| 21:26.26 | enouf | done |
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| 21:26.39 | Nyle | you did it? |
| 21:26.43 | Nyle | I got nothin |
| 21:26.45 | enouf | but you're going to get it, unless you block me |
| 21:26.51 | enouf | yes |
| 21:27.02 | enouf | i just did it again |
| 21:27.21 | kerplunk | is there a just debian kernel ? |
| 21:27.27 | enouf | here comes just a hello from me Nyle |
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| 21:27.37 | enouf | done |
| 21:28.09 | enouf | kerplunk: /msg dpkg grounding - install the correct linux-image-KERNVER |
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| 21:32.19 | paolob | Hi guys? what's the reason why reportbug cannot send my bug and ends saying: |
| 21:32.21 | paolob | Connecting to bugs.debian.org via SMTP... |
| 21:32.21 | paolob | SMTP send failure: (550, 'Administrative prohibition') |
| 21:32.24 | paolob | ? |
| 21:32.53 | joltcan | Perhaps your port 25 outgoing is blocked upstream? |
| 21:33.28 | paolob | joltcan, explain better please |
| 21:33.43 | jim | !better |
| 21:33.43 | joltcan | paolob: Your ISP may be blocking outgoing traffic to port 25? |
| 21:33.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 21:33.52 | joltcan | jim: :) |
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| 21:35.07 | paolob | joltcan, you're saying that that message would be a message from the ISP? |
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| 21:35.34 | joltcan | paolob: Perhaps. But it could just be that your ISP (or you) have got stuck in an spam filter |
| 21:35.34 | Nyle | enouf: could I trouble you one more time for that favor |
| 21:35.45 | joltcan | ...or that something else is broken |
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| 21:37.50 | chops | paolob: Can you send mail from the local system (e.g. with the 'mail' program)? |
| 21:38.03 | paolob | chops, let me see |
| 21:39.10 | paolob | chops, it cannot: " Mailing to remote domains not supported" |
| 21:39.21 | paolob | I wrote to a gmail address |
| 21:39.32 | chops | paolob: How do you send mail normally? Do you have an SMTP server from your ISP? |
| 21:40.12 | paolob | no, I send it through gmail, or through two others smtp servers of little providers |
| 21:40.26 | chops | But there are SMTP servers that work from that machine? |
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| 21:41.07 | paolob | chops, yes, I send mail all the days |
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| 21:41.42 | paolob | chops, where is the config file of mail? |
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| 21:42.05 | chops | paolob: Okay. Try reconfiguring your MTA (probably exim4, dpkg-reconfigure exim4) to a smarthost configuration routed through those SMTP servers. Then test to see if 'mail' works. Then reconfigure reportbug to use sendmail instead of direct SMTP connection. Then go have a beer -- you've earned it :-). |
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| 21:46.03 | levander | I'm trying to switch between my wireless and wired connection remotely. ifup says wlan0 is configured and ifdown says eth0 isn't. But, when I unplug the network cable, my ssh session to that machine stops responding. |
| 21:46.28 | levander | One thing I'm wondering is if there's a command line program to determine which network interface is currently being used? |
| 21:46.36 | chops | levander: ifconfig |
| 21:47.06 | chops | levander: ifup and ifdown use their own redundant state tracking (I believe), which may not be consistent with the kernel's idea of the state |
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| 21:47.19 | DawnLight | that's correct |
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| 21:47.39 | jim | it might be nice to have the ifupdown system have a way to tell -its- state, which is not always synced to the kernel state |
| 21:47.40 | ks | is there any way to replace value in small xml file, using some command line tools ? |
| 21:47.48 | levander | Here's the output of ifconfig: http://pastebin.ca/926870 |
| 21:47.58 | jim | look into perl and parsing xml |
| 21:48.03 | chops | levander: Danger will Robinson |
| 21:48.17 | Nyle | enouf: { mask = "**"; level = "ALL"; regexp = "*##*inux*dal*net"; } |
| 21:48.22 | chops | levander: Your eth0 and wlan0 have the same IP address, which they probably shouldn't |
| 21:48.28 | DawnLight | levander: man ifconfig. the "UP" flag means it is up |
| 21:48.31 | Nyle | enouf: anything really |
| 21:48.37 | Nyle | fucking sick of spam man |
| 21:48.43 | petemc | levander: your connection isnt going to survive you switching interfaces |
| 21:49.01 | levander | petemc: I don't care if it doesn't in this situation. |
| 21:49.10 | petemc | all good then |
| 21:49.21 | levander | chops: So, both eth0 and wlan0 are up because they both have the UP flag? |
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| 21:49.38 | chops | levander: If eth0 and wlan0 are connected to the same router, you can actually make them survive, by bridging. Don't assign an IP address to eth0 or wlan0, assign one to br0, and slave both eth0 and wlan0 to br0. That's a saner (if more complex) way of doing what it seems you want to do. |
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| 21:50.00 | l0c4lh0st | It was actually pointless to install the wireless driver on my slug ^^ The thing is too slow to capture and analyze packets |
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| 21:50.17 | l0c4lh0st | Sweet slug will be httpd server only again :) |
| 21:50.21 | enouf | Nyle: ? .. hrm |
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| 21:50.57 | levander | chops: 'ifdown eth0' says "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured", and get the same ifconfig output |
| 21:51.26 | levander | oh yeah, i guess that's the descrepancy between ifup/ifdown and the kernel's idea... |
| 21:51.26 | blubberdiblub | l0c4lh0st: well, i don't think it was pointless ... you have learned a bit in the process, didn't you? |
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| 21:51.27 | enouf | Nyle: i can't stand any of those dcc things - the PM spams don't even come close, the personal PMs that some idiot decides to do without asking up front do bother me though |
| 21:51.36 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, that's true |
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| 21:51.59 | enouf | Nyle: fortunately, i've managed to break any/all dcc capability this client has ;-) |
| 21:52.05 | chops | levander: Anyway, you should use 'ifconfig down' to bring eth0 down, so that ifup/ifdown are in sync with the kernel state |
| 21:52.22 | levander | chops: cool, i'm trying it |
| 21:53.04 | l0c4lh0st | Maybe I should shatter that resistor sometime. So I can overclock it to double(!) it's speed. |
| 21:53.11 | enouf | does one still need the older "allow-hotplug" ? |
| 21:53.14 | l0c4lh0st | 133 MHz -> 266 MHz |
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| 21:53.42 | levander | ha, 'ifconfig eth0 down' worked! thanks chops |
| 21:53.53 | chops | levander: np |
| 21:53.58 | articpenguin3800 | why is debian more fast than kubuntu? |
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| 21:54.07 | l0c4lh0st | Because Debian pwns Kubuntu. |
| 21:54.15 | levander | Anybody know a good channel to ask about virtualization software? Knowledge of it seems so sparse on freenode cause it's so new. |
| 21:54.17 | chops | articpenguin3800: I wouldn't expect it to be, if you configured them more or less the same. |
| 21:54.22 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 21:54.22 | dpkg | methinks start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 21:54.23 | DawnLight | !why debian |
| 21:54.24 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 21:54.44 | enouf | chops: i never understood how all those if-down.d/ if-pre-up.d/ style dirs work |
| 21:54.48 | l0c4lh0st | You got a trigger for everything don't you :D |
| 21:54.53 | enouf | if-post-down.d/ if-up.d/ |
| 21:55.50 | chops | enouf: They're pretty nice, but they're hard to understand |
| 21:55.52 | enouf | levander: #kvm exists? #vmware for their stuff, #xen ? |
| 21:56.07 | chops | enouf: It's one of those "complex enough to do the job == complex enough to sort of suck" situations |
| 21:56.16 | levander | That thing that pages says about good user community is true. Ubuntu has a vast, untamed, and crap user community. |
| 21:56.25 | petemc | levander: virtualization isnt new |
| 21:56.28 | enouf | levander: /cs list #*kvm* kind of searches |
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| 21:56.37 | levander | enouf: They do, but last time I tried they were sparse, I'll probably go try them again in a second. |
| 21:56.49 | enouf | chops: heh, reminds me of the update-alternatives system :-P |
| 21:57.06 | levander | I didn't want to go on '#kvm' and ask there if there were any good virtualization channels. |
| 21:57.16 | enouf | levander: there's #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:57.21 | levander | Might sound impolite, heaven forbid... |
| 21:57.23 | zu22 | i wish to install packages on a remote machine (i have non-root account) which are needed to compile a game client, i have the .deb (they running 3.1 old stable) now how exactly do i tell it to install in my $HOME? i hope it is possible |
| 21:57.38 | PDani | hi |
| 21:57.40 | levander | enouf: Yeah, I'll try that. I don't think I've ever even gone to oftc before. |
| 21:57.56 | enouf | levander: the official #debian channels are there too ;-) |
| 21:58.10 | tacit | zu22: Can't you compile it on your machine and copy the binary game client over? |
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| 21:58.22 | levander | enouf: Yeah, I remember when they moved. This channel used to get a lot of bad press. |
| 21:58.25 | l0c4lh0st | This isn't the official Debian channel? |
| 21:58.32 | levander | l0c4lh0st: Not anymore. |
| 21:58.43 | enouf | zu22: ./configure options |
| 21:58.46 | chops | zu22: It's not in general possible to install packages in a non-root directory like that (or it is, with ar, but it may not work right) |
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| 21:59.26 | enouf | zamuro_: or build it, and make a deb \o/ |
| 21:59.27 | zu22 | tacit: yeah but i am curious :) |
| 21:59.31 | enouf | er zu22 |
| 21:59.35 | enouf | sorry zamuro_ |
| 21:59.39 | zu22 | chops: oh i see |
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| 22:00.21 | enouf | zu22: oh, my bad |
| 22:00.27 | enouf | man, did i read that wrong |
| 22:00.36 | zu22 | enouf: i thought using fakeroot one could compile package if you had non-root privilege and i figured dpkg had option to install in non-default place like --install-path=$HOME? guess not :( hope someone adds this functionality in futrue dpkg release |
| 22:01.01 | articpenguin3800 | is there a company backing debian |
| 22:01.02 | zu22 | s/futrue/future |
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| 22:01.12 | enouf | yeah, i was going to mention -rfakeroot option to dpkg-buildpackage - but i obviously completely misunderstood |
| 22:01.13 | chops | zu22: There might be such functionality, but it won't work well if so (postinst and such won't happen properly) |
| 22:01.20 | zu22 | enouf: np |
| 22:01.32 | chops | zu22: You can extract the package with ar, and then move things around manually, if all you need is the libs and headers and such. |
| 22:01.40 | enouf | ar -x |
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| 22:01.52 | zu22 | chops: i guess i'd have to custom package the sources myself and instead of all that bother i might as well just compile the sources and be done with it heh |
| 22:02.00 | enouf | dpkg -x name.deb place/to/install |
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| 22:02.12 | enouf | er extract to ;-) |
| 22:02.13 | zu22 | chops: yes the package in question is a library package for floating point arithmetic |
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| 22:02.23 | zu22 | enouf: cool |
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| 22:03.01 | chops | zu22: nod |
| 22:03.05 | enouf | you might end up having ldd issues, hrm |
| 22:03.14 | zu22 | enouf: ah |
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| 22:03.41 | chops | zu22: Best to link against libraries statically in that situation |
| 22:03.56 | abrotman | articpenguin3800: you asked the other day .. what did we tell you then? |
| 22:03.57 | enouf | chops: aye ;-) |
| 22:03.58 | zu22 | chops: ok good to know |
| 22:04.35 | enouf | articpenguin3800: well if there is one, it ain't run by Dick :-P |
| 22:04.40 | PDani | i have a switch, and three nodes connected to it: two pc-s, and a cable modem. i would like to configure one of the pc-s to act as a router, and the other pc should be behind nat. i created two ip-aliased interface, eth0, and eth0:1, eth0 gets its ip with dhcp, and eth0:1 has a private ip address. the other computer has a private ip also in the same subnet. then i did this: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward; /sbin/iptables -t nat -A |
| 22:04.40 | PDani | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:04.45 | zu22 | "link error: cannot load dynamic library /lib/foo.a" hehe i can see it now |
| 22:04.45 | enouf | whoa |
| 22:04.57 | PDani | what did i miss? |
| 22:05.05 | enouf | the boat? |
| 22:05.40 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 22:05.40 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 22:06.08 | PDani | abrotman: i read it |
| 22:06.18 | abrotman | i meant the package .. not the HOWTO |
| 22:06.24 | PDani | oh |
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| 22:07.01 | enouf | abrotman: lately with .24 there seems to be a whole new set of features with iptables and such - know anything about it? ;-) or some form of like "ipmasq is now known as" ? maybe i'm just brainfarting |
| 22:07.05 | PDani | i give it a try |
| 22:07.16 | abrotman | enouf: nope |
| 22:07.22 | enouf | ok, np |
| 22:07.48 | enouf | abrotman: for ex; stuff like http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/netfilter-extensions-HOWTO.html#toc3.9 |
| 22:08.02 | enouf | abrotman: but nm ;-) |
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| 22:08.51 | enouf | which seems real cool to be able to do traffic shaping |
| 22:09.10 | enouf | erm the "nth patch" thing |
| 22:09.12 | nepbabu | dpkg, die |
| 22:09.12 | dpkg | I'll murder you nepbabu! Skin you alive and toss you in the great salt lake! |
| 22:09.14 | nepbabu | dpkg, die |
| 22:09.25 | enouf | you fool |
| 22:09.35 | nepbabu | :D |
| 22:09.53 | enouf | !spank nepbabu |
| 22:10.01 | enouf | hrm |
| 22:10.03 | cloakable | :D |
| 22:10.06 | nepbabu | !lart enouf |
| 22:10.15 | enouf | !penixstrike nepbabu |
| 22:10.15 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking nepbabu to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:10.21 | nepbabu | ~:D |
| 22:10.21 | apt | :D!!! |
| 22:10.34 | cloakable | hahaha |
| 22:11.59 | zu22 | i recently got DSL and have DHCP working (i get private 192.x ip and the DSL router passes traffic to eth0 and automatically gets the 2 DNS server addresses upstream), but i would like to try (just for curiousity) to get direct connection working (with no DHCP), i have a static ip, the router (Westell) has a page for Static IP setup where it asks for netmask and gateway address, how can i find out what these should be? I called my ISP and they said "Oh jus |
| 22:12.26 | azeem | zu22: "Oh jus..."? |
| 22:12.37 | zu22 | azeem: ya |
| 22:12.43 | zu22 | "Oh just use DHCP and refused to tell me" :( |
| 22:12.43 | azeem | your line got cut off there |
| 22:12.49 | zu22 | Oops it cut me off heh. |
| 22:13.16 | azeem | zu22: I don't think your question is on topic here |
| 22:13.40 | azeem | you're trying to put your router on a static configuration on the WAN side? |
| 22:13.45 | zu22 | i figured if i did this i should stick the 2 DNS addresses in /etc/resolv.conf and i must install pppoe since that is what the ISP uses for encapsulation and currently the DSL router handles that directly |
| 22:14.00 | zu22 | azeem: yes on WAN side (my static publicly routable ip) |
| 22:14.16 | zu22 | but i have no clue what netmask and gateway should be |
| 22:14.24 | zu22 | this is first time i ever had broadband :) |
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| 22:14.48 | azeem | zu22: so what, you're trying to configure your router or your Debian box? |
| 22:14.52 | PDani | abrotman: i tried to do with ipmasq, but msn and icq don't work |
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| 22:15.06 | zu22 | azeem: the router, it is asking me for gateway and netmask if i choose Static IP option |
| 22:15.06 | dkr | if you were given a static ip by your isp they should have given you the other information, too |
| 22:15.11 | nios | why doesnt this work su echo "hello" > /etc/test |
| 22:15.14 | nios | when i use su |
| 22:15.18 | zu22 | dkr: yeah they never did though |
| 22:15.29 | Supaplex | nios: because the redirection operates on your existing shell |
| 22:15.40 | dkr | zu22: look at the paperwork again. :) |
| 22:15.45 | azeem | zu22: configuration of random routers is off-topic here, please ask elsewhere |
| 22:15.47 | nios | ok ist there any good soulution for that? |
| 22:15.47 | Supaplex | nios: su -c "echo hello >> /etc/text" however differs |
| 22:15.48 | zu22 | azeem: i was just saying as an aside i must get pppoe working on my debian box but that is not a problem |
| 22:15.55 | azeem | dkr: they put zu22 on DHCP, AFAICT |
| 22:16.04 | Supaplex | nios: tee or tee -a :) |
| 22:16.07 | zu22 | dkr: no paperwork they just called me on phone heh |
| 22:16.55 | zu22 | azeem: yes DHCP but i have a static ip, if i disable DHCP on the router i can use the static ip directly but i must setup netmask, gateway etc. |
| 22:17.04 | blubberdiblub | zu22: if your router can be configured for a static setup without dhcp, you don't need pppoe on you debian box |
| 22:17.21 | nios | thx |
| 22:17.22 | zu22 | blubberdiblub: ok cool so i can let the router keep doing the pppoe |
| 22:17.34 | zu22 | that should save me some cpu cycles |
| 22:17.57 | azeem | zu22: why do you think that IP doesn't change tomorrow, when DHCP requests a new one? |
| 22:17.58 | blubberdiblub | zu22: sure, you just have to find out the current settings of your router anyways, no matter how you want to achieve the connection |
| 22:18.26 | blubberdiblub | azeem: i guess he said he has a static ip |
| 22:18.39 | zu22 | azeem: i asked them, they said my ip will never change, the DHCP server built into router always gets issued same static ip when it makes request (i tested this by unplugging DSL etc) |
| 22:19.22 | azeem | zu22: ok then |
| 22:19.32 | azeem | zu22: I still don't see how this is a question related to Debian support |
| 22:19.41 | zu22 | blubberdiblub: ok, there are lots of settings in the Westell router config pages (via web), i will note the current settings so if i screw up i can at least get back to DHCP method |
| 22:19.44 | zu22 | azeem: sorry |
| 22:19.44 | dkr | ah, that definition of "static" :) |
| 22:20.10 | zu22 | dkr: :) |
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| 22:23.07 | Fare | what does this mean and how do I fix it? (google finds a page about rpm's, but it's apt-get complaining) |
| 22:23.10 | Fare | bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30975, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') |
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| 22:23.54 | chops | Fare: Can you explain in more detail please? What program are you running, and how, and where does that error appear? |
| 22:24.35 | dkr | the code is being run in gaza |
| 22:24.40 | Fare | apt-get install $FOO |
| 22:24.45 | Kimitaka | how well does auto-apt work? |
| 22:25.57 | azeem | Fare: put the whole output on a pastebin |
| 22:25.59 | azeem | !paste |
| 22:25.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:26.03 | azeem | Fare: including the command you run |
| 22:26.45 | enouf | Kimitaka: try it |
| 22:26.53 | enouf | Kimitaka: /msg dpkg auto-apt |
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| 22:27.50 | Fare | I run any apt-get install |
| 22:28.03 | Kimitaka | I didn't know it existed till today.. never heard anyone mention it ever... |
| 22:28.07 | Fare | then right after "Reading changelogs" I get a traceback from apt-listchanges |
| 22:28.13 | PeP` | hello... can I run a 2.4 kernel on etch? or do I need sarge for that? |
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| 22:29.52 | Fare | hum. Did I paste it in the right channel? Might have hit #debian.de instead... |
| 22:29.53 | enouf | Kimitaka: i installed it, because i heard it works faster than apt-file .. and i've used it, however i found it a bit weird and returned sparser results than apt-file .. however, this is just one side of it's uses |
| 22:29.54 | abrotman | PeP`: you can try, it's not supported |
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| 22:30.15 | enouf | Kimitaka: and really not it's main feature, afaik |
| 22:30.45 | tuv | why would 'modprobe coretemp' return a fatal error (no such device) on a c2d cpu? debian testing + e8400 |
| 22:31.15 | PeP` | abrotman: but it is on sarge? |
| 22:31.46 | enouf | s/sparser/weirder - or non-arch related -- there was something a bit screwy about it's searching method/results -- it missed some pkgs, BUT maybe it only returned my ARCH related results |
| 22:31.51 | enouf | Kimitaka: ^^^^^^^ |
| 22:31.54 | abrotman | PeP`: yes |
| 22:32.39 | enouf | tuv: modprobe -l | grep coretemp |
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| 22:32.58 | Fare | http://rafb.net/p/UIXQjB42.html |
| 22:33.26 | Kimitaka | I'm going to try it with compiling asterisk 1.6b4 and see waht happen :-S |
| 22:33.31 | enouf | tuv: modprobe -l | grep core would be what i would do - to make sure i have the correct name |
| 22:33.40 | Fare | can anyone help diagnose this scary error? |
| 22:34.02 | enouf | Kimitaka: what's asterisk? |
| 22:34.10 | Fare | enouf: * |
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| 22:34.23 | Fare | enouf: or a free netmeeting clone |
| 22:34.27 | azeem | Fare: try to purge apt-listchanges |
| 22:34.34 | enouf | Fare: not the punctuation |
| 22:34.40 | Kimitaka | enouf, pbx |
| 22:34.54 | enouf | Kimitaka: what's pbx? |
| 22:35.11 | x_link | enouf my main man |
| 22:35.18 | x_link | enouf: Good night =) |
| 22:35.18 | Kimitaka | private branch exchange |
| 22:35.19 | tuv | enouf, modprobe -l | grep coretemp did return a path to coretemp.ko |
| 22:35.21 | enouf | x_link: hola mi amigo! |
| 22:35.39 | enouf | tuv: hrm, then it is a valid name eh? |
| 22:35.45 | x_link | enouf: I really have to go, other wise my girlfriend will beat me up haha =) |
| 22:35.48 | x_link | *poff* |
| 22:36.04 | enouf | x_link: better she than someone else O_o .. go have fun ;-) |
| 22:36.04 | tuv | enouf, it is. yet the module does not get loaded! |
| 22:36.52 | enouf | tuv: well "no such device" would presume it doesn't know you have a core2duo or similar |
| 22:37.04 | enouf | tuv: is this a VM? |
| 22:37.25 | enouf | tuv: which debian kernel? |
| 22:37.36 | tuv | enouf, no. but a recent cpu |
| 22:37.49 | enouf | tuv: recent to what? |
| 22:37.50 | tuv | enouf, 2.6.22-3 (most recent in testing) |
| 22:37.59 | Kimitaka | during install on debian you have the option to install the standard graphical environment or whatever it's called in the menus... well if you take off everything graphical or you make a system without it and later decide you want all that stuff, what packages should be installed? I did gnome-desktop and it got most of it but not all :( |
| 22:38.03 | enouf | you swapped CPUs? |
| 22:38.05 | tuv | enouf, e8400 |
| 22:38.06 | enouf | tuv: ^^^^^^^ |
| 22:38.12 | tuv | enouf, no it's a new machine |
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| 22:38.23 | enouf | Kimitaka: man tasksel |
| 22:38.29 | enouf | tuv: and? |
| 22:38.49 | enouf | Kimitaka: /msg dpkg install gnome' |
| 22:38.55 | enouf | er minus the ' |
| 22:38.58 | tuv | enouf, could it be that the cpu is not recognized as c2d because it's new? |
| 22:39.00 | PeP` | abrotman: mhh... I'm sorry to ask this probably easy question.. but I can't find the sarge iso, only the 4, etch.. :s |
| 22:39.06 | abrotman | PeP`: moment |
| 22:39.08 | enouf | tuv: new to what? |
| 22:39.24 | tuv | enouf, to the world |
| 22:39.27 | abrotman | PeP`: you konw that sarge security support is ending in a little more than a month, right? |
| 22:39.28 | enouf | tuv: lol |
| 22:39.36 | abrotman | PeP`: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/ |
| 22:39.38 | enouf | tuv: possibly |
| 22:39.50 | enouf | tuv: you mean newer hardware? |
| 22:40.02 | lynucs | is it possible to have root partition on a logival partition? |
| 22:40.07 | lynucs | logical |
| 22:40.08 | PeP` | abrotman: never mind, thank you! |
| 22:40.10 | enouf | tuv: without proper kernel support yet? |
| 22:40.18 | enouf | levander: yes |
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| 22:40.24 | enouf | er lynucs |
| 22:40.27 | enouf | yes |
| 22:40.44 | lynucs | enouf: it will work, you mean? |
| 22:40.46 | enouf | lynucs: don't even need the boot flag |
| 22:40.49 | enouf | yes |
| 22:41.05 | lynucs | enouf: i have a seperate boot partition taht has bootflag |
| 22:41.18 | lynucs | enouf: uthank you for inf |
| 22:41.22 | enouf | lynucs: now, how you setup your Dual Boot might be an issue - but ... |
| 22:41.34 | Kimitaka | enouf: tasksel... I knew there had to be an easier way. gnome went haywire on my machien so I took everytrhing off and put it all back today and it was a nightmare trying to find everything I needed |
| 22:41.46 | enouf | Kimitaka: yep ;-) |
| 22:41.48 | lynucs | enouf: ok let me explain |
| 22:42.25 | enouf | Kimitaka: is that where your auto-apt brainstorming hailed from? ;-) |
| 22:42.46 | lynucs | enouf: i have a boot partition, root part, var, home and a secondroot which would be used on a new install without deleting the 'old' root for the first time.. |
| 22:42.54 | lynucs | enouf: how would you handle it? |
| 22:43.02 | enouf | no no no , no two roots |
| 22:43.12 | enouf | lynucs: use another HDD |
| 22:43.13 | lynucs | enouf: well the second root isnt moutned |
| 22:43.15 | enouf | done |
| 22:43.16 | lynucs | ah.. |
| 22:43.25 | lynucs | and if there is no second hdd? |
| 22:43.31 | enouf | i have that here - or do a chroot |
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| 22:44.14 | enouf | but why? i mean what's your purpose? |
| 22:44.27 | lynucs | enouf: why not a second root on the same hdd? except the fact one hd crash would crash 2 roots :) |
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| 22:44.48 | enouf | lynucs: you're too funny |
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| 22:45.22 | enouf | why 2 roots on one HDD is my question |
| 22:45.23 | lynucs | enouf: well it is not my wishing to do 2 roots.. i'm working in a firm as a student.. and my chef told me, that he would like to have 2 root partitions |
| 22:45.26 | Kimitaka | enouf, I thought about reinstalling entirely but I spent a lot of time getting asterisk 1.4 going because I compiled it from source and I spent tons of times chasing down packages I need for dependancies so I thought I might use auto-apt if I reinstall |
| 22:45.27 | lynucs | so that |
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| 22:45.57 | enouf | !aolsmite lynucs |
| 22:45.59 | lynucs | if later he decides to instal debain fresh, he wouldnt get the old root |
| 22:46.12 | lynucs | s/get/crash |
| 22:46.20 | lynucs | before the new root is tested |
| 22:46.36 | enouf | Kimitaka: man apt-cache, see the depends option |
| 22:46.45 | Nyle | !ping |
| 22:46.45 | dpkg | pong |
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| 22:46.58 | lynucs | aolsmite? |
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| 22:47.14 | Gnurdux | is anybody familiar with the Gossip jabber client? recently, it's been making me show up as offline whenever i change my status (this is on googletalk). I think it is related to the creation of support for offline messages. |
| 22:47.17 | themill | !aol lynucs |
| 22:47.21 | enouf | lynucs: your chef? |
| 22:47.26 | enouf | lynucs: i'm hungry |
| 22:47.52 | Nyle | am I connected/ |
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| 22:48.58 | lynucs | enouf: hehe.. ok.. s/chef/boss/gg |
| 22:49.16 | lynucs | themill: thank you for the hint |
| 22:49.26 | themill | :) |
| 22:50.00 | Nyle | !ping |
| 22:50.00 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:50.01 | enouf | lynucs: oh, you mean Chief, heffe, etc ;-) |
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| 22:50.29 | lynucs | enouf: yes |
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| 22:50.59 | enouf | lynucs: you don't want two / partitions, what you want is backups - or a Virtual Machine |
| 22:51.01 | Kimitaka | enouf, if I was to un star the choices in tasksel would it consequently remove all the associated stuff for that category? |
| 22:51.12 | enouf | lynucs: as far as i can tell |
| 22:51.40 | lynucs | enouf: what i want is one root :) |
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| 22:52.41 | Fare | azeem: thanks, I will try |
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| 22:53.03 | lynucs | enouf: and _if_ you would do what my chief wants me to do, how would your partitions be? |
| 22:53.04 | enouf | Kimitaka: erm, you seem to be within the Installer? tasksel has options for explicit installation of it's items - now; i usually use "apt-get -s install pkg1 pkg2 .." so as to "simulate" what will occur |
| 22:53.19 | enouf | lynucs: now you're talking ;-) |
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| 22:53.44 | enouf | lynucs: well, it depends on what it's for, and how much HDD space |
| 22:53.51 | lynucs | 37 gb :( |
| 22:53.59 | lynucs | one root = 9gb |
| 22:54.03 | enouf | mine's on a 8.4GB HDD |
| 22:54.15 | enouf | that's plenty |
| 22:54.19 | enouf | depends |
| 22:54.20 | lynucs | var and home are equal.. about 10.7 gb |
| 22:54.35 | lynucs | swap 512mb |
| 22:54.41 | lynucs | and boot 60mb |
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| 22:55.03 | lynucs | i dont know though how to manage primary/logical things better |
| 22:55.39 | lynucs | i made primary boot, prim firstroot, prim swap, logical (var,home/secondroot) |
| 22:55.41 | enouf | lynucs: are you even using debian? |
| 22:55.48 | lynucs | enouf: yes |
| 22:55.56 | enouf | lynucs: which release? |
| 22:56.03 | lynucs | 4.0 netinstall |
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| 22:56.14 | enouf | lynucs: what's the end goal? |
| 22:56.21 | tuv | enouf, i'm not convinced that this is the problem, but i can't think of another explanation |
| 22:56.23 | lynucs | a webserver for intranet |
| 22:56.23 | nepbabu | lynucs, we'll come to your restaurant with empty tummy.. you'll have to feed us |
| 22:56.27 | enouf | do NNOT say 2 root partitions |
| 22:56.33 | enouf | or i'll spank you |
| 22:56.34 | lynucs | nepbabu: :) |
| 22:56.44 | nepbabu | lynucs, :D |
| 22:56.52 | tuv | enouf, the machine works fine, and /proc/cpuinfo looks fine |
| 22:56.52 | lynucs | enouf: okay :D |
| 22:57.07 | lynucs | enouf: is pseudoroot ok? |
| 22:57.08 | enouf | lynucs: so man tasksel , install web-server |
| 22:57.39 | johndoevodka | what do you suggest for skype on lenny ? |
| 22:58.00 | themill | johndoevodka: skype installs just fine under lenny |
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| 22:58.23 | johndoevodka | themill: ok, are there other programs that can communicate using the same protocol? |
| 22:58.30 | themill | johndoevodka: no |
| 22:58.37 | enouf | tuv: perhaps that module conflicts with another? wth maybe powernow stuff? i dont know -- you have lm_sensors? i2c-tools? acpi-utils? |
| 22:58.37 | johndoevodka | themill: k, thanks |
| 22:59.18 | testerrr1 | hi is the apache2 httpd.conf suppose ot be empty ? i got this front apt-get ? |
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| 22:59.35 | Kimitaka | hence why sip is awesome and skype will always be for women and children (not to suggest using skype for talking to chicks is not a worthwhile pursuit) |
| 22:59.48 | themill | johndoevodka: If you want to be able to talk to skype users, echo "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/skype.list && aptitude update && aptitude install skype |
| 23:00.10 | enouf | lynucs: 4.0 netinstall eh? i doubt it, since you're in #ubuntu-de |
| 23:00.13 | johndoevodka | themill: dpkg info copy/paste eh ;) |
| 23:00.16 | azeem | Ÿ/W 23 |
| 23:00.18 | azeem | oops. |
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| 23:00.24 | enouf | lynucs: cat /proc/version |
| 23:00.27 | lynucs | enouf: i have ubuntu at my homepc |
| 23:00.31 | themill | testerrr1: yes, that's correct |
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| 23:00.53 | lynucs | enouf: debian server is at my work.. |
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| 23:00.57 | themill | !factinfo skype |
| 23:00.57 | dpkg | skype -- last modified at Mon Jan 14 17:52:13 2008 by themill!n=stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk; it has been requested 10 times, last by themill, 23s ago. |
| 23:01.02 | themill | johndoevodka: ^^ |
| 23:01.04 | lynucs | and it is my first debian install |
| 23:01.10 | enouf | ok, when you get there, connect here |
| 23:01.30 | trbs | is there still something like the #debian-glibc channel ? |
| 23:01.35 | lynucs | enouf: is there any otther way to prove? |
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| 23:01.54 | enouf | lynucs: think about what your goals are, outline them, implement them, when you stumble ask concise questions with errror messages here |
| 23:02.24 | enouf | lynucs: i already showed you the "grounding" factoid, read |
| 23:02.24 | tuv | enouf, just installed i2c-tools and acpi-support. lm-sensors already installed (it's the one that suggested the coretemp module). still coretemp can't be modprobe'd |
| 23:02.37 | lynucs | enouf: okay.. thank you |
| 23:02.41 | enouf | tuv: what does coretemp do? |
| 23:02.52 | tuv | enouf, read each core |
| 23:02.57 | wols_ | enouf: measures core cpu temps with the temp diode inside the cpu |
| 23:02.57 | tuv | enouf, read each core's temp. |
| 23:02.59 | chrislewis | would someone mind helping me solve a dep issue? |
| 23:03.02 | cusco | i... |
| 23:03.06 | enouf | tuv: and returns it's temp? |
| 23:03.12 | chrislewis | the usual 'apt-get -f install' is not working |
| 23:03.12 | tuv | enouf, yes |
| 23:03.18 | cusco | Im trying to set up a bot just like dpkg ... I did this before but a while ago |
| 23:03.25 | enouf | tuv: sounds like an lm_sensors issue .. checked BTS ? |
| 23:03.29 | wols_ | tuv: what error do you get? |
| 23:03.31 | cusco | I forgot how do I make the bot listen to !public requests |
| 23:03.36 | tuv | enouf, the values it returns are reported by 'sensors' |
| 23:03.37 | cusco | would anybopdy know? |
| 23:03.54 | tuv | wols_, no such device |
| 23:03.55 | wols_ | cusco: how is this debian support related? |
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| 23:04.44 | enouf | wols_: <tuv> why would 'modprobe coretemp' return a fatal error (no such device) on a c2d cpu? debian testing + e8400 |
| 23:05.06 | johndoevodka | themill: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "skype" |
| 23:05.06 | trbs | anybody here using a debian etch xen dom0 with a debian lenny domU ? |
| 23:05.07 | PeP` | hi.. got alittle problem... I get a "VFS cannot open root device "sda2" or 08:02" "please append correct "root=" option kernel panic : vfs : uabl to mount root fs.." |
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| 23:05.16 | wols_ | wolfdale temp sensors are all screwy anyways |
| 23:05.16 | PeP` | but my root fs is on sda2 ... |
| 23:05.31 | enouf | wols_: <tuv> enouf, modprobe -l | grep coretemp did return a path to coretemp.ko |
| 23:05.37 | tuv | wols_, they are almost always +10 |
| 23:05.42 | themill | johndoevodka: did you run "aptitude update" after changing your sources.list? |
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| 23:05.51 | sordith_ | dondelelcaro: the dpkg used on debian channels is not exactly the code packaged as blootbot, right? |
| 23:05.54 | johndoevodka | themill: yep |
| 23:05.55 | wols_ | PeP`: what kernel? |
| 23:05.56 | lynucs | PeP`: are you using grub? |
| 23:05.59 | enouf | tuv: run depmod -a |
| 23:06.16 | enouf | trench: is that a new kernel install? |
| 23:06.21 | enouf | er tuv ^^^^^^ |
| 23:06.50 | tuv | enouf, i rebooted after installing this kernel. depmod -a didn't make a difference |
| 23:07.00 | enouf | tuv: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 23:07.06 | cusco | sordith_: right! |
| 23:07.14 | themill | johndoevodka: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" for me? |
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| 23:07.20 | tuv | enouf, why? |
| 23:07.26 | enouf | ok don't |
| 23:07.29 | sordith_ | cusco: so the code of the channel bots is kind of closed source? |
| 23:07.38 | zu22 | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:07.39 | zu22 | oops |
| 23:07.41 | zu22 | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:07.51 | enouf | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 23:07.51 | dpkg | well, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 23:07.58 | johndoevodka | themill: http://rafb.net/p/ZiOw3B15.html |
| 23:08.00 | cusco | sordith_: no, it is available |
| 23:08.21 | PeP` | wols_: lynucs: it is a 2.4 kernel.. does 2.4 not support sata? :/ I feel I'm going to have to recompile it with sata or scsi support... (in "devoce drivers" if I remember well... o.O) |
| 23:08.23 | sordith_ | dpkg: your code is where, huh? |
| 23:08.25 | dpkg | okay, sordith_ |
| 23:08.31 | sordith_ | oops |
| 23:08.33 | tuv | enouf, dpkg-reconfigure didn't make a difference either |
| 23:08.39 | enouf | great |
| 23:08.40 | wols_ | PeP`: rarely. not as sda usually. why is it 2.4? |
| 23:08.43 | themill | !forget your code |
| 23:08.43 | dpkg | i forgot your code, themill |
| 23:08.49 | sordith_ | thanks |
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| 23:09.14 | enouf | tuv: cpufreqd related? |
| 23:09.23 | enouf | tuv: laptop? |
| 23:09.34 | tuv | enouf, no. i can't install any cpufreq modules either. desktop |
| 23:09.35 | PeP` | wols_: because I want to tst it, because my headphone/lineout only works on a Damn small linux version, that has a 2.4 kernel.. so I thought I'd test this kernel on my debian.. |
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| 23:09.46 | enouf | tuv: something's amiss |
| 23:09.56 | tuv | enouf, fresh install |
| 23:10.00 | enouf | tuv: which kernel was your last? |
| 23:10.01 | wols_ | PeP`: etch is not supported with 2.4 |
| 23:10.03 | themill | johndoevodka: skype isn't listed in that.... either you didn't add it to your sources.list or you didn't run aptitude update.... |
| 23:10.07 | PeP` | wols_: its on sarge |
| 23:10.10 | enouf | oh? from what tuv? |
| 23:10.10 | chrislewis | round-a-bout deps are killing me |
| 23:10.28 | enouf | tuv: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:10.36 | wols_ | PeP`: then get a 2.4 sarge kernel? |
| 23:10.37 | tuv | enouf, testing netinstall daily build |
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| 23:10.56 | chrislewis | i was upgrading to a 2.6 as well - not b/c i wanted to, but b/c it was another dep (of libopenssl-ruby) |
| 23:10.56 | triptec | is there any statistics about how many use utf-8 vs iso 8859-1/15?? |
| 23:10.56 | enouf | tuv: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:11.01 | trench | PeP`: be sure to use kernel-package when you compile your kernel the it's esier |
| 23:11.02 | wols_ | PeP`: asnd are you sure 2.4 has a driver for your sata controllerß |
| 23:11.03 | PeP` | wols_: thats what I have... should it support the sda ?? |
| 23:11.12 | tuv | enouf, debian_version: lenny/sid, although i don't have any sid sources |
| 23:11.13 | cusco | sordith_: svn.donarmstrong.com |
| 23:11.15 | johndoevodka | themill: http://rafb.net/p/Ve4eJZ97.html |
| 23:11.18 | wols_ | PeP`: depends. 2.4 sata support is vrey spotty |
| 23:11.19 | PeP` | well no.. thats it.. I'm not sur ot has a controller.. |
| 23:11.19 | tuv | enouf, already up-to-date |
| 23:11.21 | enouf | tuv: good |
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| 23:11.24 | enouf | oh |
| 23:11.25 | PeP` | ehh driver sorry |
| 23:11.29 | PeP` | ok.. |
| 23:11.33 | wols_ | PeP`: and you should upgrade to etch. this april: no more sarge updates |
| 23:11.40 | wols_ | PeP`: what soundcard? |
| 23:11.44 | PeP` | well, if my sound works on sarge, I'm staying on sarge |
| 23:11.48 | enouf | tuv: well check BTS and report abug if none found |
| 23:11.49 | sordith_ | cusco: cool. thanks |
| 23:11.57 | enouf | !bts |
| 23:11.57 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 23:12.00 | PeP` | wols_: a ati sb450... |
| 23:12.21 | cusco | sordith_: funny I was just asking questions about it.. I actually thought you were going to help me |
| 23:12.24 | cusco | :p |
| 23:12.25 | trench | Pep` - it's not that hard to make a kernel yourself when you use kernel-package |
| 23:12.37 | PeP` | trench: ok.. I'll do that then... |
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| 23:13.43 | sordith_ | cusco: oh. did not notice. kind of a coinsidence :-) |
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| 23:14.03 | PeP` | god evening then, I'll dothat another day |
| 23:14.06 | tuv | enouf, the strange thing is that i couldn't find any similar reports on the web |
| 23:14.20 | sordith_ | cause i got me the brain of dpkg but the database structure does not fit the classic blootbot. so i was starting to wonder |
| 23:14.26 | tuv | enouf, seems not many people use linux on new hardware :/ |
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| 23:14.31 | johndoevodka | themill: im sorry, i missed something there |
| 23:14.34 | enouf | tuv: your system otherwise works fine? |
| 23:14.40 | tuv | enouf, perfectly |
| 23:14.44 | enouf | tuv: sure they do |
| 23:15.04 | wols_ | peppe: I'd get a new alsa to try it that way |
| 23:15.07 | themill | johndoevodka: there's a rather important error in there.... your machine is resolving a different IP to mine for download.skype.com too. |
| 23:15.10 | enouf | your CPU is what again? and is it a Dual Core or Quad? |
| 23:15.28 | tuv | enouf, e8400, dual |
| 23:15.54 | tuv | enouf, i have an e6600 on another machine and coretemp works fine there |
| 23:15.55 | johndoevodka | themill: nvm, still doesnt work |
| 23:16.05 | johndoevodka | themill: i believe that is the problem |
| 23:16.11 | enouf | tuv: you could try a kmuto or sid kernel - check the debian changelogs too |
| 23:16.23 | themill | johndoevodka: probably a transient failure for one of the skype mirrors. try again another day ... |
| 23:16.41 | johndoevodka | themill: will do, thanks for the help |
| 23:16.42 | enouf | tuv: is the 8400 an EE one? |
| 23:16.43 | themill | johndoevodka: or use download.g.skype.com (which appears to be working) |
| 23:16.52 | enouf | ti'll find out |
| 23:16.56 | tuv | enouf, i don't think so |
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| 23:17.48 | chrislewis | can a failed upgrade/install be rolled back, since the -f option isn't helping? |
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| 23:18.41 | enouf | tuv: ahh .. 45nm vs model 6xxx 65nm |
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| 23:18.57 | Nyle | !ping |
| 23:18.57 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:19.02 | Nyle | ahh here we go |
| 23:19.19 | enouf | tuv: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/print/intel-wolfdale.html |
| 23:20.02 | themill | dondelelcaro: pnig |
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| 23:20.08 | themill | or ping even... |
| 23:21.32 | enouf | tuv: i would probably d/l a sid kernel and try that - but no need to change sources.list just go grab the sid one, and dpkg -i it -- BUT i would personally check the changlogs too |
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| 23:26.22 | tuv | enouf, thanks for your help |
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| 23:28.47 | enouf | tuv: np |
| 23:28.48 | lynucs | cu all.. |
| 23:28.59 | lynucs | enouf: i hope i'll prove it tomorrow :) |
| 23:29.05 | enouf | lynucs: np |
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| 23:32.42 | subsume | in a typical thin-client setup, how does a thin-client know to look in a server's /opt/ directory for a system? |
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| 23:33.23 | HSorgYves | can i trust the ssl-cert group? |
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| 23:34.43 | S4nD3r | Which package to see this video in my iceweasel ?? http://olhardigital.uol.com.br/central_de_videos/video.php?id_conteudo=4467 |
| 23:34.55 | S4nD3r | Flashplayer, but this do not plays |
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| 23:36.18 | Sebboh- | Hi, does anyone know what the latest available xen dom0 kernel in Debian is? I recall a while ago I had to build a debian-stable machine for dom0 because there wasn't a dom0 kernel available in testing .. ? |
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| 23:36.56 | Cpudan80 | Hello all |
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| 23:37.03 | dondelelcaro | themill: pong |
| 23:37.06 | Cpudan80 | To install debian -- you only need the first CD right? |
| 23:37.14 | enouf | yep |
| 23:37.28 | peppe | Cpudan80: yes, you can download everything else you need |
| 23:37.29 | enouf | not even, but yes |
| 23:37.42 | Cpudan80 | peppe: Great thanks |
| 23:37.54 | Cpudan80 | How good is wifi support in debian ? |
| 23:38.03 | Cpudan80 | Is it equiv to Ubuntu's wifi support? |
| 23:38.20 | nevyn | Cpudan80: given they both use linux for hardware support yes |
| 23:38.22 | nevyn | that said... |
| 23:38.22 | azeem | Cpudan80: depends on which wifi chip you have |
| 23:38.32 | azeem | nevyn: Ubuntu ships non-free drivers |
| 23:38.33 | nevyn | ubuntu ship non-free stuff that debian don't |
| 23:38.33 | Cpudan80 | Atheros something |
| 23:38.34 | enouf | Sebboh-: the latest? is likely 3.0 + |
| 23:38.40 | nevyn | azeem: right |
| 23:38.43 | themill | dondelelcaro: Hi! I was just looking at a few factoids in dpkg and noticed that it seems to be adding a comma after URLs, presumably in the factoid rendering code. Am I reading that right? (e.g. the skype factoid has an extraneous comma in the sources.list line that isn't actually in the factoid) |
| 23:38.53 | enouf | Sebboh-: i make no guarantees though |
| 23:38.55 | Cpudan80 | It is using a non-free driver |
| 23:38.57 | Cpudan80 | :-/ |
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| 23:39.19 | Sebboh- | ok enouf. |
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| 23:41.43 | rcbarnes | How do I find which package will provide a certin file? |
| 23:41.54 | azeem | rcbarnes: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:41.56 | enouf | Sebboh-: checking the pdo kernel changelog should tell you |
| 23:42.05 | rcbarnes | azeem: thanks |
| 23:42.13 | Sebboh- | enouf pdo? |
| 23:42.20 | enouf | !pdo |
| 23:42.20 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 23:42.33 | consolejockey | I'm not sure which channel is the correct one for this question, but I'm going to ask here as it's a debian distro I'm working with: What controls the frequency of a DHCPREQUEST? |
| 23:42.35 | enouf | the 1st URL Sebboh- |
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| 23:43.20 | Sebboh- | thanks again. |
| 23:43.43 | enouf | np |
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| 23:47.15 | Kimitaka | how do I use gconftool to load the defaults for an app from its .schema file? |
| 23:47.23 | consolejockey | background: I have a server attached to a wifi modem. syslog shows a DHCPREQUEST followed by DHCPACK roughly every two minutes. This leads me to think it's extending the lease of the address. So the question really is: is it the server that controls the lease time or the client (in this case the wifi modem)? |
| 23:47.50 | dondelelcaro | themill: no, it's in the factoid. Someone use the skype is also, and that adds ', or ' to the front of what skype is also. |
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| 23:49.08 | themill | dondelelcaro: I just rewrote the factoid with "no" and without the comma but it is still there. |
| 23:49.20 | themill | hmm.. hang on, I wonder if it's my irc client "helping". |
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| 23:50.58 | themill | dondelelcaro: bah looks like my client sticks a comma after URLs. Time to file a bug on that one.... thanks for looking at it. |
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| 23:53.30 | S4nD3r | Please, who gets play this one ?? http://olhardigital.uol.com.br/central_de_videos/video.php?id_conteudo=4467 |
| 23:54.10 | azeem | S4nD3r: works fine here |
| 23:54.21 | S4nD3r | which browser do you have? |
| 23:54.40 | S4nD3r | Which browser did you use ? |
| 23:54.45 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: skype =~ s/, or/ or/ |
| 23:54.46 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 23:54.47 | vjsp | is there a way of installing debian wich gives only the 'Essential: yes' packages? |
| 23:54.52 | azeem | S4nD3r: epiphany |
| 23:55.04 | S4nD3r | let me try it in epiphany |
| 23:55.06 | azeem | vjsp: latest debootstrap can do that I think |
| 23:55.18 | S4nD3r | I tried in galeon and iceweasel but didnt work |
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| 23:55.44 | vjsp | thanks |
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| 23:56.13 | S4nD3r | Did you play video using flash ?? azeem |
| 23:56.16 | DawnLight | vjsp: is that really necessary? netinst installs too much? tried the businesscard? |
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| 23:56.52 | azeem | S4nD3r: sure |
| 23:57.04 | S4nD3r | oh.. neither epiphany |
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| 23:58.19 | S4nD3r | I will try to check how to re-install flash plugin |
| 23:58.21 | vjsp | DawnLight, just want to play and learn... businesscard doesn't give the same final status of netinst ? |
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| 23:59.22 | azeem | vjsp: are you claiming they don't yield the same set of installed packages, or asking? |
| 23:59.51 | DawnLight | vjsp: don't know |
