| 00:00.13 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: aptitude reinstall flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:00.32 | vjsp | azeem, sorry, asking |
| 00:02.35 | azeem | vjsp: no idea then. Try it out yourself |
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| 00:04.21 | S4nD3r | oh... DawnLight;;; some bug here |
| 00:05.05 | Kimitaka | anyone know how to manually load a .schemas file into gconf? |
| 00:05.27 | S4nD3r | which is the flash plugin nonfree? |
| 00:05.30 | DawnLight | i love bugs; they... do good things |
| 00:05.44 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: whaddaya mean |
| 00:05.49 | S4nD3r | lol |
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| 00:06.20 | S4nD3r | That, I dont know which is the correct plugin that must be installed |
| 00:06.45 | DawnLight | the package is flashplugin-nonfree. the one from backports |
| 00:06.58 | S4nD3r | ummm..... backports !!! |
| 00:07.11 | DawnLight | no doubt |
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| 00:07.39 | S4nD3r | I will look for mirror to put in sources.list |
| 00:08.28 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: first time you use backports? i've seen you here for quite a while now |
| 00:08.51 | S4nD3r | I read something about it, some months ago |
| 00:08.54 | S4nD3r | but never used |
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| 00:09.46 | DawnLight | aight. you can make them yourself, btw. that's how i get the latest nexuiz |
| 00:10.29 | Cpudan80 | Ehh |
| 00:10.29 | DawnLight | actually, i would do that when the maintainer decides to package it |
| 00:10.43 | Cpudan80 | Are there any known problems installing debian in a VM? |
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| 00:10.59 | Nyle | is there a way to limit http bandwidth for a particular client of a squid proxy (etch) |
| 00:11.03 | Cpudan80 | With VMWare server, running on Windows --- it gets stuck detecting hardware |
| 00:11.24 | S4nD3r | DawnLight: I have lenny |
| 00:11.25 | Nyle | Cpudan80: none. |
| 00:11.37 | DawnLight | Cpudan80: well, we can't help you with vmware let alone windows |
| 00:11.41 | Cpudan80 | Nyle: Hrm... Well its definitely stuck |
| 00:11.45 | Kevin` | Cpudan80 i've never had problems with vmware server. normally I use a linux host but the harware is the same |
| 00:11.49 | S4nD3r | deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free Is this the source.list line ? |
| 00:11.54 | Nyle | Cpudan80: try #vmware or ##windows please. |
| 00:12.06 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: use a mirror |
| 00:12.19 | Cpudan80 | Alrighty |
| 00:12.22 | themill | S4nD3r: there are no backports for lenny |
| 00:12.40 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: right |
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| 00:13.00 | S4nD3r | ummmmm |
| 00:13.11 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: do you have non-free in your debian sources? |
| 00:13.19 | S4nD3r | sure |
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| 00:13.33 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: what arch |
| 00:13.48 | S4nD3r | lenny |
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| 00:14.17 | simonrvn | that's not an arch |
| 00:14.18 | DawnLight | type arch |
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| 00:14.32 | Nyle | is there a way to limit http bandwidth for a particular client of a squid proxy ? |
| 00:14.32 | S4nD3r | arch ?? |
| 00:14.32 | themill | arch is /bin/arch |
| 00:14.51 | Nyle | I know it has something to do with delay pools, but I'm not exactly sure |
| 00:14.53 | DawnLight | damn well should |
| 00:14.59 | eldereko | can anyone help me... I just did a clean install of Etch with the root on LVM and when I boot I get "volume group 'blah' not found" and I just get the busybox shell? |
| 00:15.02 | streuner | let look what our bots say about |
| 00:15.05 | S4nD3r | I dont have this arch installed |
| 00:15.07 | streuner | !listkeys arch |
| 00:15.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'arch' by key (15 of 91): #debian archive ;; #debian archlinux ;; #debian multiarch ;; 3-tier architecture ;; _default arch ;; architect. obstacles ;; architecture ;; dpkg.web.search ;; multi-tiered architecture ;; package search ;; santarchy ;; start an arch war ;; what's my arch ;; what's my architecture ;; who's asarch he. |
| 00:15.18 | Nyle | !squid |
| 00:15.18 | dpkg | squid is, like, the Squid Internet object Cache a fast web proxy server. Its home page is at http://squid.nlanr.net/, or easy to do transproxy with, see http://www.unxsoft.com/transproxy.html, or faster than netscape's own cache, use it!, but uses much more memory, or http://thor.prohosting.com/~nchansy/meal/squid.jpg, or tasty in battered ring form, or <squid deb caching>, or <transparent proxy>, or #squid @ irc.freenode.net |
| 00:15.28 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: what cpu? |
| 00:15.34 | streuner | !start an arch war |
| 00:15.34 | dpkg | x86_64 can suck my left nut. |
| 00:15.35 | S4nD3r | k7 |
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| 00:15.45 | Nyle | dpkg: you can suck my left nut. |
| 00:15.45 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 00:15.47 | S4nD3r | its AMD Semprom |
| 00:15.53 | Nyle | resemble ? |
| 00:15.55 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:15.58 | RyanRyan52 | dpkg: i agree :D |
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| 00:16.04 | simonrvn | dpkg: i agree, but i'd add "all x86" ;) |
| 00:16.12 | streuner | heh |
| 00:16.15 | Nyle | ok here is my problem |
| 00:16.22 | Nyle | hopefully someone can advise |
| 00:16.26 | streuner | !literal start an arch war |
| 00:16.26 | dpkg | "start an arch war" is "<reply>(alpha|i386|ia64|m68k|ppc|sparc|x86_64) (sucks.|can get bent.|can suck my left nut.|is awesome.|whips the llama's ass.|is the greatest thing since sliced bread.)" |
| 00:16.27 | RyanRyan52 | simonrvn: what do you use then? |
| 00:16.36 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: backport the sid package |
| 00:16.53 | simonrvn | RyanRyan52: i'm stuck using x86 |
| 00:17.25 | eldereko | x86_64 whips the llama's ass |
| 00:17.30 | simonrvn | i'm otherwise surrounded by ppc machines |
| 00:17.40 | S4nD3r | DawnLight: ??? I didnt understand |
| 00:17.45 | DawnLight | you are surrounded |
| 00:17.46 | Cpudan80 | Ok it seems to be better now |
| 00:17.49 | S4nD3r | How to do |
| 00:17.51 | ciphernaut | eldereko, how your 32bit binary support? |
| 00:17.51 | Nyle | my rommate is downloading massive amounts of data, usually killing the line's 90kb/s downstream and leaving me with timeouts to google.com. I have configured him to go through my squid proxy server. I want to throttle his http download speed to about 40kb/s (for his ip/client). Our routers are very shitty and don't support any QoS settings |
| 00:17.52 | Cpudan80 | I think VMWare was messed up |
| 00:17.56 | Nyle | what can I do |
| 00:18.00 | simonrvn | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:18.14 | Nyle | roommate == windows xp |
| 00:18.15 | eldereko | ciphernaut: haven't had issues yet sir |
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| 00:18.17 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: build the package on your box using the source from sid |
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| 00:18.44 | Corty | Nyle, well, if you can't do it server side you'll have to set that on his workstation |
| 00:18.47 | RyanRyan52 | simonrvn: you could have said "!tell S4nD3r about simple sid backport" |
| 00:18.53 | Nyle | I'm not sure if I should be using delay pools or something else since he is going his http traffic through my server |
| 00:18.57 | simonrvn | Nyle: tell him to stop using limewire/gnutella/whatever and cut him off if he doesn't stop |
| 00:19.02 | Nyle | Corty: must find a way to do it on server side |
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| 00:19.06 | Nyle | simonrvn: he is impossible to deal with |
| 00:19.10 | simonrvn | RyanRyan52: i know. i don't care |
| 00:19.11 | Nyle | simonrvn: I've tried |
| 00:19.12 | Corty | Nyle, Yes. Would be the best. |
| 00:19.15 | S4nD3r | Im afraid to try it |
| 00:19.19 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: apt-get source flashplugin-nonfree && cd <directory> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 00:19.20 | Kimitaka | nyle, he paying the internet bill lately? |
| 00:19.28 | simonrvn | Nyle: then pull his ethernet cable |
| 00:19.29 | Nyle | its in his name yes |
| 00:19.29 | Corty | Nyle, Replace the router? |
| 00:19.32 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: something like that |
| 00:19.47 | Nyle | will delay pools accomplish what I need? |
| 00:19.48 | S4nD3r | ummm.... in sources.list |
| 00:19.48 | eldereko | can anyone help me... I just did a clean install of Etch with the root on LVM and when I boot I get "volume group 'blah' not found" and I just get the busybox shell? |
| 00:20.00 | simonrvn | just because he's paying for it doesn't mean he gets to abuse it |
| 00:20.02 | themill | RyanRyan52: I'm sure simonrvn knows that... he's been here for a while. Sometime's it's nice to get people to find things out for themselves rather than shove the factoids down their throats. Sometimes it's nice to get people to learn to fish for themselves.... |
| 00:20.02 | S4nD3r | deb http://www.backports.org/debian sid-backports main contrib non-free ?? |
| 00:20.08 | RyanRyan52 | Nyle: get a crappy computer and use it as your router, then use iptables mangle table to make your computer a priority |
| 00:20.11 | Nyle | simonrvn: yes it does apparantly |
| 00:20.18 | themill | !cluebat S4nD3r |
| 00:20.20 | Nyle | simonrvn: you forget, I'm dealing with these asshole new yorkers |
| 00:20.32 | simonrvn | Nyle: he's treating it that way, doesn't mean it's right |
| 00:20.44 | Nyle | simonrvn: I agree, but I must find a workaround |
| 00:20.49 | S4nD3r | thanks themill |
| 00:20.51 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: forget backports |
| 00:20.52 | Nyle | I can' deal with him anymore regardin gthat |
| 00:20.58 | simonrvn | pull his cat5 or cut it |
| 00:21.11 | Nyle | simonrvn: plus he just paid like 40$ to some porn site so he is busy downloading and just gah |
| 00:21.16 | Nyle | simonrvn: can't do that :) |
| 00:21.21 | Corty | lol |
| 00:21.28 | Nyle | I gotta throttle his speed from squid |
| 00:21.33 | Nyle | HELP ME WITH THAT! |
| 00:21.35 | Nyle | :/ |
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| 00:21.44 | Corty | Nyle, keep cool :) |
| 00:21.46 | Nyle | its only his http downloads that kill me |
| 00:21.50 | Nyle | Corty: I am trying |
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| 00:21.56 | simonrvn | Nyle: see squid's wiki |
| 00:21.58 | eshaase | whats the recommended way to install the official flash? |
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| 00:22.08 | Nyle | my dealer shorted me, i called him out on it, and now hes gonna go get more |
| 00:22.12 | Nyle | that also pissed me off |
| 00:22.15 | DawnLight | eshaase: it is not recommended at all |
| 00:22.19 | Nyle | its been a rough day goddamit |
| 00:22.19 | simonrvn | they have a boatload of docs |
| 00:22.22 | RyanRyan52 | eshaase: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:22.25 | streuner | eshaase: the official flash isnt recommend here :-) |
| 00:22.29 | dvs | !tell eshaase -about multimedia |
| 00:22.30 | Nyle | somethings gotta give |
| 00:22.35 | themill | !tell eshaase about adobe flash |
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| 00:22.49 | simonrvn | you could slap your friend around a bit :P |
| 00:23.01 | DawnLight | dvs: no need for multimedia. flashplugin-nonfre in backports works |
| 00:23.13 | streuner | haha |
| 00:23.21 | eshaase | do you guys recommend any type of flash |
| 00:23.25 | Nyle | How to limit a single connection to 128 Kbps? |
| 00:23.27 | Nyle | nice!!!!!! |
| 00:23.29 | Nyle | !!!!!! |
| 00:23.29 | dpkg | [!!!!!] "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 00:23.30 | themill | RyanRyan52: that won't work unless you have set up sudo to do that (this is debian not ubuntu) and the flashplugin package in etch is broken so that won't work either. |
| 00:23.44 | Corty | Nyle, squid is running on your box? |
| 00:23.49 | DawnLight | eshaase: the type that will be released within 5 to six years |
| 00:23.52 | simonrvn | eshaase: not really... but i use the non-free one |
| 00:24.00 | Nyle | Corty: uh no |
| 00:24.09 | DawnLight | eshaase: the backports flashplugin-nonfree works |
| 00:24.18 | eshaase | simonrvn: hows the non-free one work? |
| 00:24.35 | Corty | Nyle, ? |
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| 00:24.43 | eshaase | DawnLight: why backport? |
| 00:24.55 | DawnLight | eshaase: the etch one doesn't work |
| 00:24.58 | simonrvn | RyanRyan52: i've been around here since ~2002. *you're* the newbie to me ;) |
| 00:24.59 | Nyle | Corty: you just asked me a question and I replied. |
| 00:25.06 | RyanRyan52 | eshaase: etch is broken |
| 00:25.08 | eshaase | DawnLight: ahhh =) |
| 00:25.14 | simonrvn | eshaase: i don't know, it's closed source ;) |
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| 00:25.34 | DawnLight | heh simonrvn |
| 00:25.40 | S4nD3r | this flash is given a lot of job |
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| 00:26.13 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: send adobe an email |
| 00:26.18 | simonrvn | DawnLight: s/he asked me how it worked ;) |
| 00:26.57 | DawnLight | not everyone can read machine code |
| 00:27.04 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 00:27.09 | Corty | Nyle, ok, so, where is squid running? |
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| 00:27.25 | simonrvn | no, i can't. not yet |
| 00:27.31 | S4nD3r | adobe!!! great !!! |
| 00:27.32 | S4nD3r | ahahhahah |
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| 00:29.01 | simonrvn | Nyle, Corty: i'm figuring Nyle needs to set it up as a transparent proxy. Nyle, you'll also need to set up iptables so http traffic goes to it |
| 00:29.31 | Corty | well, i did not understand the network topography, but, ok |
| 00:29.42 | RyanRyan52 | you might as well just do iptables for all of it |
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| 00:30.02 | Corty | of course |
| 00:30.05 | bolt | where can I find an explanation of how quotes work in most unix programs? like, the difference between " ` ' etc |
| 00:30.07 | simonrvn | of course, but his router is crap, so he's better off sticking in a better router |
| 00:30.16 | bolt | s/unix/linux |
| 00:30.26 | themill | bolt: specifically which program? |
| 00:30.35 | Corty | simonrvn, is squid running on his router!? |
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| 00:30.40 | simonrvn | bolt: depends on the language |
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| 00:31.05 | simonrvn | Corty: he said his router doesn't do QoS, so i very much doubt squid's there |
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| 00:31.25 | Corty | simonrvn, ok, but if running on his server, the box should be capable of iptables |
| 00:31.37 | simonrvn | of course |
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| 00:31.57 | Corty | still confused :) |
| 00:32.55 | Corty | So why it is a problem that his router doesn't do QoS ;) |
| 00:33.00 | Corty | whatever |
| 00:34.08 | Matux | hi |
| 00:34.16 | Matux | anything? |
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| 00:34.46 | Matux | hi ? |
| 00:34.52 | azeem | !ask |
| 00:34.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:34.57 | Matux | nothing? |
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| 00:35.04 | simonrvn | because he could then shape it so http is limited coming from his roommate's box |
| 00:35.16 | simonrvn | and then no need for squid |
| 00:35.22 | Matux | know you any bot of epaste?? |
| 00:35.30 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:35.34 | Nyle | hm |
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| 00:35.40 | Nyle | simonrvn: run that by me again please |
| 00:35.59 | Matux | paste code and see with url |
| 00:36.03 | Matux | :) |
| 00:36.10 | Matux | understand you? |
| 00:36.17 | S4nD3r | Hey... A news... When I open a site, the flash animations stays stopped waiting click to start play |
| 00:36.21 | S4nD3r | is it ok ??? |
| 00:36.27 | Corty | Matux, yeah, for bash? |
| 00:36.37 | azeem | S4nD3r: did you ever watch a flash movie? |
| 00:36.37 | simonrvn | (one less process to deal with) |
| 00:36.46 | simonrvn | scroll up ;) |
| 00:36.53 | S4nD3r | No. |
| 00:37.12 | S4nD3r | usually theres flash movies on news sites |
| 00:37.12 | Matux | I want paste code a friend bot want not do flood simonrvn |
| 00:37.25 | azeem | Matux: /msg dpkg paste |
| 00:37.35 | Matux | but .. |
| 00:37.38 | simonrvn | Matux: i wasn't talking to you |
| 00:37.44 | Matux | in other lan ? |
| 00:37.52 | simonrvn | i was lagging... |
| 00:37.56 | Matux | other network |
| 00:38.10 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: does it work? does flash work? did you make a backport? are you happy? |
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| 00:38.32 | S4nD3r | rssss.... It works just if I click !!!! |
| 00:38.35 | S4nD3r | I didnt make backport |
| 00:38.50 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: do you have gnash installed? |
| 00:38.52 | Matux | nothing of help? |
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| 00:39.19 | Corty | Matux, Aaah! What about: http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 00:39.22 | simonrvn | Matux: what are you talking about? |
| 00:39.24 | Matux | very work |
| 00:39.28 | Matux | aja |
| 00:39.35 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: when you right click on the flash animation, does it say that it is adobe flash? |
| 00:39.38 | S4nD3r | gnash ??? no ! |
| 00:40.22 | Corty | simonrvn, i was guessing, more or less. ;) I think he wants to paste some output to a friend on a different network without dpkg |
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| 00:40.37 | S4nD3r | When I click right button, comes window with options (enable, play audio, properties, about) |
| 00:40.38 | Matux | simonrvn, you read don't me |
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| 00:40.52 | S4nD3r | swfdec 0.5.5 is playing flash movies |
| 00:41.00 | Matux | Corty, thx , I look a moment |
| 00:41.08 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 00:41.20 | Corty | Matux, :) I hope that's what you're looking for. |
| 00:42.18 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: do you have swf-player installed? |
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| 00:43.03 | simonrvn | Corty: i'm glad you could make sense of it. sometimes my bad english parser fails |
| 00:43.35 | S4nD3r | No |
| 00:43.39 | S4nD3r | I will installs it |
| 00:43.44 | DawnLight | aptitude install libenglish-parse-bad |
| 00:43.59 | Corty | simonrvn, lol |
| 00:44.02 | simonrvn | dict-badenglish |
| 00:44.12 | DawnLight | hehe |
| 00:44.22 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: do not do that |
| 00:44.33 | simonrvn | oh, actually, probably more like dict-en-bad |
| 00:44.46 | S4nD3r | DawnLight: No? |
| 00:45.18 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: there are some free flash players in debian. make sure that you don't have any installed |
| 00:45.24 | DawnLight | did i just say that? |
| 00:45.26 | simonrvn | S4nD3r: you're installing/have installed the non-free one, you don't need to install swf or gnash |
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| 00:46.10 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: press that "about" thing to make sure that what you're seeing is the non-free plugin from adobe |
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| 00:46.14 | S4nD3r | tell me one |
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| 00:47.21 | S4nD3r | Ready |
| 00:47.35 | S4nD3r | I removed this one swfdec-mozilla |
| 00:48.27 | S4nD3r | now is working |
| 00:48.34 | S4nD3r | perfectellt |
| 00:48.36 | S4nD3r | perfectelly |
| 00:48.49 | DawnLight | give thanks to the lord |
| 00:48.55 | S4nD3r | rssssss |
| 00:48.59 | S4nD3r | Thanks my lord |
| 00:49.00 | S4nD3r | ahhahaha |
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| 00:49.20 | prolific^ | Perfectly |
| 00:49.37 | S4nD3r | perfectly... perfect !!! |
| 00:50.13 | S4nD3r | so... Nothing that masters could not solve !!!! |
| 00:50.26 | DawnLight | wait 'til it brakes your X session and then decide how well it works |
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| 00:51.09 | prolific^ | Breaks |
| 00:51.18 | DawnLight | a new bot? |
| 00:51.23 | prolific^ | =) |
| 00:51.30 | DawnLight | stick around |
| 00:52.12 | prolific^ | Interesting idea, but even I don't like to be corrected that often |
| 00:52.50 | DawnLight | the rate should decrease with usage |
| 00:54.07 | Nyle | hi ho howdy ho |
| 00:54.17 | Nyle | bingo I did it with the thing there |
| 00:54.27 | prolific^ | Have it privmsg the offender with a list of 20 possible spelling corrections...yeah that'd piss me off even |
| 00:54.29 | Nyle | he is limited to 16kb/s http through squid! |
| 00:54.31 | prolific^ | hehe |
| 00:54.40 | Nyle | maybe I should increase that |
| 00:54.49 | prolific^ | Nyle, Congratulations |
| 00:55.10 | Nyle | yeh i vnc his machine and did a bw test from bandwidthplace |
| 00:55.13 | Nyle | 16kb/s |
| 00:55.14 | DawnLight | Nyle: that is a little mean |
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| 00:55.21 | prolific^ | Now his porn stream will rebuffer every 8 seconds |
| 00:55.37 | prolific^ | Great idea |
| 00:55.42 | jerbear | how much disk space is safe for a typical installation with a desktop environment? |
| 00:55.42 | Nyle | let him think the network is slow |
| 00:55.46 | Nyle | I don't care |
| 00:55.59 | NetEcho | Nyle parent or sibbling? |
| 00:56.15 | DawnLight | karma, Nyle |
| 00:56.22 | prolific^ | jerbear, Depends upon how many packages you want to play with. 10gb is plenty |
| 00:56.29 | jerbear | thanks |
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| 00:56.55 | Nyle | NetEcho: roomate |
| 00:57.04 | NetEcho | Nyle good |
| 00:57.05 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:57.09 | Nyle | I think I throttled us all |
| 00:57.11 | NetEcho | I used to do it to my mother |
| 00:57.11 | Nyle | oops |
| 00:57.19 | DawnLight | and who do you think the frustration will affect? |
| 00:57.23 | Nyle | now i need to figure out how to setup only his ip |
| 00:57.23 | NetEcho | where do you live Nyle? |
| 00:57.32 | Nyle | NetEcho: nyc |
| 00:57.36 | NetEcho | cool |
| 00:57.40 | Kimitaka | nyle, program is called squid? |
| 00:57.41 | Nyle | he downloads crap ma |
| 00:57.42 | NetEcho | I'm just north of the border from ya |
| 00:57.46 | Nyle | his taste in porn sucks |
| 00:57.49 | Nyle | quite literally |
| 00:57.52 | NetEcho | lol |
| 00:58.10 | Nyle | I am getting timeouts to friggin google.com |
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| 00:58.22 | Nyle | at least on this laptop with irssi i got wifi i can get from some people |
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| 00:58.28 | DawnLight | does anyone hear the sound of karma? |
| 00:58.57 | Nyle | its Kurm. |
| 00:59.14 | jerbear | how would i upgrade from stable to testing? |
| 00:59.31 | DawnLight | jerbear: if you don't know, you shouldn't do it |
| 00:59.33 | Nyle | and it usually means kindness, but can mean generosity |
| 00:59.35 | Nyle | etc. |
| 00:59.58 | NetEcho | Nyle what kind of router? |
| 01:00.00 | DawnLight | are you correcting my saying "karma"? |
| 01:00.08 | Kimitaka | how did you do it nyle? |
| 01:00.12 | Nyle | DawnLight: yes I am. |
| 01:00.20 | Nyle | Kimitaka: squid delay pools |
| 01:00.22 | DawnLight | look it up in wikipedia |
| 01:00.23 | humbolto | Usually using public key auth in SSH means, creating a key-pair locally and putting the public on the machine you want to be able to connect to with public key auth. Now somebody has provided me with an id_rsa and id_dsa file instead. How can I make use of it without replacing my original key? |
| 01:00.45 | jerbear | DawnLight: i would appreciate any help. i'm not as green as you think i am |
| 01:00.49 | Nyle | delay_class 1 3 | delay_parameters 1 64000/64000 -1/-1 16000/64000 |
| 01:00.51 | DawnLight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma |
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| 01:02.02 | DawnLight | jerbear: why do you want to do this? |
| 01:02.15 | dkr | !tell jerbear about etch->lenny |
| 01:02.25 | Nyle | DawnLight: any which way you take it, I had it summed up pretty good |
| 01:02.37 | Nyle | kindness/generosisty |
| 01:02.44 | Nyle | basically doing kind/good deeds etc. |
| 01:03.01 | Nyle | and yes its a word of my language, I know it very well |
| 01:03.28 | jerbear | DawnLight: because i want to use the net install cd, which is "stable" |
| 01:03.46 | NetEcho | DawnLight nyle = stoner true stoners know karma well :d |
| 01:03.48 | NetEcho | *:D |
| 01:03.51 | DawnLight | jerbear: why do you want to use lenny? |
| 01:03.52 | Nyle | DawnLight: the way the word is used is extremely varied though |
| 01:04.03 | NetEcho | Nyle what kind of router are you using>? |
| 01:04.04 | Nyle | DawnLight: it can be used in many different connotations/meanings |
| 01:04.04 | jerbear | DawnLight: do i need a reason? |
| 01:04.13 | Nyle | NetEcho: cheap stupid verizon |
| 01:04.17 | Nyle | NetEcho: no QoS |
| 01:04.17 | NetEcho | oh lol |
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| 01:04.21 | NetEcho | poor you |
| 01:04.28 | NetEcho | even my cheap linksys has qos |
| 01:04.35 | DawnLight | jerbear: nothing is without reason. everything has purpose |
| 01:04.43 | Nyle | dude |
| 01:04.45 | Nyle | bullshit! |
| 01:04.51 | Nyle | the platypus |
| 01:04.56 | NetEcho | lol |
| 01:05.00 | Nyle | totally useless, without purpose or anything |
| 01:05.05 | DawnLight | ok, that |
| 01:05.07 | NetEcho | The Duck Billed Platypus* |
| 01:05.09 | NetEcho | :P |
| 01:05.18 | NetEcho | funny looking bastard |
| 01:05.46 | Nyle | DawnLight: but nothing is without reason, according to our perception |
| 01:06.27 | Nyle | DawnLight: though we may not be able to percieve the reason, there must be one right? |
| 01:06.27 | DawnLight | yes, i can feel it |
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| 01:06.27 | NetEcho | oh no not a philisophical discussion |
| 01:07.04 | DawnLight | right now. buzzing right at the edge of my existense |
| 01:07.13 | Nyle | but... as humans, our perception is only limited to an analysis of our 5 senses and the sythesis of reality through the seemingly physical world |
| 01:07.16 | jerbear | vi /etc/apt/sources.list; :%s/etch/lenny/g; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 01:07.20 | jerbear | that about sum it up? |
| 01:07.24 | Nyle | so that kinda fucks up the whole thing |
| 01:07.48 | Nyle | vi is eh. |
| 01:07.50 | DawnLight | we are able to percieve more than the five |
| 01:08.05 | jerbear | i prefer vim, but vi is aliased to it |
| 01:08.08 | Nyle | no we are not |
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| 01:08.15 | DawnLight | that is if we do not do debian all day |
| 01:08.44 | DawnLight | the right hemisphere is neglected |
| 01:09.00 | jerbear | DawnLight: thanks for your "help" |
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| 01:09.10 | Nyle | no one uses anything |
| 01:09.21 | Nyle | the universe is an illusion |
| 01:09.27 | Nyle | we are an experiment by the aliens |
| 01:09.39 | Nyle | aliens could not make debian |
| 01:09.41 | DawnLight | jerbear: sorry, i never dist-upgraded before |
| 01:09.47 | Nyle | they needed humans |
| 01:09.58 | jerbear | DawnLight: then why the run-around? |
| 01:10.00 | dkr | dishonest gratitude is almost as bad as conditional apologies |
| 01:10.28 | DawnLight | jerbear: was trying to talk you out of it |
| 01:10.40 | Nyle | jerbear: yeh, don't do that again |
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| 01:10.52 | dkr | jerbear: welcome to the internet. Learn to ignore stream of consciousness spammers like him.:) |
| 01:10.53 | Nyle | sarcasm usually fucks up things even worse than before and creates tensions n shit |
| 01:10.56 | jerbear | Nyle: do what? |
| 01:11.27 | DawnLight | consciousness spammers? is that in wikipedia? |
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| 01:11.30 | Nyle | jerbear: ignorance is like daffodills |
| 01:11.32 | agiofws_ | hey guys i need a quick command direct packets with 192.168.5.X to 192.168.3.2 ? ip route add 192.168.5.o 192.168.3.2 ? ip route add net 192.168.5.o 192.168.3.2 ? ? ? |
| 01:11.40 | jerbear | :) |
| 01:11.59 | Nyle | jerbear: I like to smile too |
| 01:12.08 | Nyle | its nice to smile when people piss me off |
| 01:12.26 | DawnLight | takes the smiles off their faces for sho |
| 01:12.34 | jerbear | what else am i going to do? |
| 01:12.47 | Nyle | I stopped flippin people off on the road when I was 16 |
| 01:12.51 | Nyle | I did it when I was 15 |
| 01:13.11 | dkr | agiofws_: route add -net 192.168.5.0 -netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.3.2 eth0 (or eth1 whichever interface physically connected to the gw) |
| 01:13.26 | jim | agiofws_: that is NOT quick... it depends a lot on your current networking setup, topology and shape |
| 01:13.30 | Nyle | people can't drive, just like that some people can't help, don't owrry bout em |
| 01:13.31 | agiofws_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.38 | dkr | agiofws_: er, no - in front of netmask. right |
| 01:13.50 | Nyle | anyway #squid is dead |
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| 01:13.53 | jim | we know sammy hagar can't drive 55 |
| 01:14.01 | bolt | how can I use a variable as part of a variable name? like "current=1; foo$current=foobar" ? |
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| 01:14.14 | DawnLight | i don't get it. preventing someone upgrading to testing needlessly is bad? |
| 01:14.28 | Nyle | jim: but michael angelo batio can do a 120 |
| 01:14.29 | DawnLight | i asked him and he didn't answer |
| 01:14.30 | bolt | ..in bash, that is |
| 01:14.34 | jim | agiofws_: you can't have a gateway that is not on the same net you're configuring |
| 01:14.35 | Corty | bolt, brackets? |
| 01:14.47 | jim | (well, ok, you can, but it won't work) |
| 01:15.22 | bolt | Corty: in what way? |
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| 01:15.26 | Corty | bolt, ah, no, you want foo1, foo2, and foo3? |
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| 01:15.31 | bolt | Corty: yep |
| 01:15.35 | jim | DawnLight: I wouldn't say it's bad, because it's ultimately their choice anyway |
| 01:15.42 | bolt | Corty: as part of a for loop |
| 01:15.43 | Corty | bolt, ok, understood. thinking. |
| 01:16.11 | jerbear | what's wrong with playing with an installation in a virtual machine? |
| 01:16.17 | bolt | I've only ever seen that done by php. wonder if bash can do it |
| 01:16.32 | jim | all you can do is tell them about each one and let them pick (noting that any helper here might choose to -refuse- to answer questions about unstable/sid) |
| 01:17.04 | DawnLight | that's about right |
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| 01:18.18 | jim | it's pretty much bullshit to tell others what they can and cannot recommend... the fact is debian makes it available, so it's fair game. |
| 01:18.24 | Corty | bolt, foo${current} should do. |
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| 01:18.40 | Corty | but, mh. |
| 01:19.49 | bolt | hm.. seems to almost work. foo1=2: command not found |
| 01:19.53 | bolt | hm.. |
| 01:19.58 | Corty | more brackets! |
| 01:20.00 | Corty | :) |
| 01:20.01 | bolt | :P |
| 01:20.30 | Corty | mmmh |
| 01:20.31 | jim | I'd suggest, tho, that if/when you recommend something other than stable, you say (1) why you're doing so, (2) that it's a moving target (or actually moving shooters all aimed at the person...) and (3) some sort of comparison among the three |
| 01:21.10 | jim | one thing about unstable, it's not the greatest thing for people who are trying to do real work |
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| 01:21.32 | jerbear | jim: what about testing, though? |
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| 01:21.50 | dondelelcaro | it's fine to recommend testing, but if you're going to recommend stable, you need to be willing to walk the person thorugh any problems that arrise. |
| 01:21.57 | dondelelcaro | s/stable/unstable/ |
| 01:22.01 | bolt | Corty: is foo1=2 perhaps an alias for something that could solve the problem? like "setenvironmentvariable foo${current} value"? |
| 01:22.02 | jim | what's the question exactly? what's the purpose behind testing? |
| 01:22.27 | craigevil | unstable hasnt been too bad this yr, the xorg update was a pain and kde's qt3-mt broke a few things but other than those its been pretty calm |
| 01:22.32 | Corty | bolt, try set :) |
| 01:22.39 | Corty | ah, but no |
| 01:22.43 | jim | dondelelcaro: or tell them they need to have the skills... I'm almost never willing to walk them through problems if they insist on using it without being informed |
| 01:23.05 | Corty | bolt, it's a bad variable name for exporting |
| 01:23.26 | jim | craigevil: isn't qt3-mt in stable now? |
| 01:23.35 | jerbear | what's the best way to install a more up-to-date package in stable? |
| 01:23.52 | ftp3 | so.. i am trying to install debian on a machine that I installed debian on a few weeks ago and I messed up the partitions.. I really can't recall if I had issues before, but now, when booting from the cd, i get this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/927126 |
| 01:23.53 | asg | jerbear: if you have to, /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:24.00 | bolt | Corty: what do you mean? doing "foo1=value; export foo1" seems to be accepted |
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| 01:24.23 | jim | jerbear: try finding a back port... if there isn't one, you can try backporting it yourself |
| 01:24.33 | bolt | Corty: foo1 is a good variable name... |
| 01:24.41 | jim | but installing the binary package is not going to be your idea of fun |
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| 01:24.56 | jim | (unless it is, that is :) |
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| 01:25.31 | craigevil | libqt3-mt: |
| 01:25.32 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.41 | craigevil | isnt the same version in etch |
| 01:25.43 | jerbear | jim: what do you mean? |
| 01:25.54 | Corty | bolt, yes |
| 01:26.05 | Corty | bolt, export foo1 would work |
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| 01:26.16 | jim | jerbear: do you understand the relationship between a program you might install, and the libs it links against? |
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| 01:26.30 | jerbear | jim: sure |
| 01:26.38 | Corty | bolt, but does export foo${current} work? |
| 01:27.14 | jim | jerbear: what would happen if you were to build your own glibc (not even into a package) and just wipe the old one out? |
| 01:27.20 | Corty | bolt, hm, let's use arrays? *g* |
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| 01:27.40 | jim | (this is a very extreme action gang... the result will not be fun) |
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| 01:27.44 | bolt | Corty: export foo${current}=2 works |
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| 01:28.01 | jerbear | jim: i'm sure it would wreak havoc with the packaging system |
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| 01:28.24 | jim | anything else you can think of it would wreak havoc with? |
| 01:28.34 | jerbear | jim: if i were building my own, i would be putting it in /usr/local, anyway |
| 01:28.48 | Corty | bolt, how do you print that afterwards? |
| 01:28.56 | jerbear | jim: anything else that uses glibc |
| 01:29.00 | bolt | Corty: that's the next problem :D |
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| 01:29.05 | Corty | bolt, :D |
| 01:29.11 | jim | jerbear: correct... which would? |
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| 01:29.21 | jerbear | jim: be a PITA? |
| 01:29.29 | jerbear | :) |
| 01:29.34 | jim | well, true |
| 01:29.59 | jim | but it would also render almost every binary compiled executable unusable |
| 01:30.35 | jim | after that you'd only be able to use those things that are statically linked or don't link against glibc |
| 01:31.07 | jerbear | jim: sure, so wouldn't the easiest thing be to just use testing? |
| 01:31.34 | Corty | bolt, Well, let's use arrays? |
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| 01:31.50 | jim | now, unless you're into the exploration of how you'd go about getting out of such a situation, you're not going to find that a fun thing to do or be in the middle of... yes? |
| 01:31.51 | bolt | Corty: that'll probably work a lot better, yes. gonna read up on them |
| 01:32.13 | jerbear | jim: of course |
| 01:32.27 | Corty | bolt, no need to read up :) bla[23]=bolt; echo ${bla[23]} |
| 01:32.34 | jerbear | jim: i see what you're saying |
| 01:32.37 | jim | ok... that would happen if you just build the libc without any packaging |
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| 01:32.56 | bolt | Corty: oh. no initializing or anything? swell! |
| 01:32.59 | jerbear | jim: sure, but isn't this what backports are for? |
| 01:33.04 | Corty | bolt, :) |
| 01:33.15 | bolt | Corty: thanks. i'll try that :) |
| 01:33.27 | jim | (the packaging would think the correct version is installed, and would have -no- idea about the replacement) |
| 01:33.55 | jerbear | jim: sure... so far i haven't disagreed with anything you've said |
| 01:34.15 | jim | so now, let's look at a different situation... what if you were to try apt-getting the glibc in a different dist (what comes to mind here, is testing, unstable, feisty, ...) |
| 01:34.17 | Corty | bolt, :) Two other hints: 1. ${bla[*]} will print out every element 2. ${#bla[*]} will count those elements |
| 01:34.27 | Corty | bolt, may come in handy |
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| 01:35.01 | jerbear | jim: why would i be installing a package intended for another dist? |
| 01:35.24 | jim | I dunno :) see, I'm just having us look at a few different situations) |
| 01:35.38 | jerbear | jim: :) |
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| 01:35.58 | jerbear | jim: you are very patient |
| 01:36.29 | jim | the thing is, if you do that, what's going to happen is it's going to replace a whole shitload of other packages |
| 01:36.55 | jim | and you'll end up with a mixture dist that sorta works |
| 01:37.21 | jerbear | yep |
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| 01:37.59 | DawnLight | what is the problem we're trying to solve? |
| 01:38.14 | jim | I dunno :) I came in late in the conversation |
| 01:38.43 | jerbear | i'm not trying to solve anything... i'm playing :) |
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| 01:39.18 | DawnLight | you're playing very thoroughly |
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| 01:39.44 | jim | so debian's packaging system with its dependencies is meant to try to keep things that work together on your machine |
| 01:39.50 | jerbear | i'm getting information so i can play effectively |
| 01:40.08 | jim | like, libc of a particular version and everything you've installed that uses it |
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| 01:40.49 | jerbear | jim: right, i'm aware of this :) |
| 01:40.52 | antiPoP | hi I'm trying to setup vsftpd in etch, but it users can authenticate, the issue is taht I just did trvial changes in the vsftpd.conf file and works in one sever but not in another |
| 01:40.56 | antiPoP | any ideas? |
| 01:41.10 | jim | if the person you're working with wants to lean on that capability, then -probably- they want stability |
| 01:41.27 | antiPoP | users an't autentica, I get always thsi error: Response:530 Login incorrect. |
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| 01:41.56 | jim | if they're adventurous, at least tell them they need to either not do real work, or else keep backups |
| 01:42.18 | DawnLight | antiPoP: checked the logs? |
| 01:42.19 | Corty | bolt, hope you succeed! have to shutdown corty now ;) |
| 01:42.28 | antiPoP | let me see |
| 01:42.32 | bolt | Corty: thanks. cu |
| 01:42.37 | Corty | :) |
| 01:42.49 | Corty | cya * |
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| 01:43.30 | jerbear | jim: so, are you saying that i should not be using backports, should use it sparingly, or nothing but it? |
| 01:43.38 | antiPoP | nothing relevant in the logs |
| 01:43.39 | jim | if they're adventurous and someone is being resistant when you suggest an adventure, the resistant person needs to read the scrollback or you need to establish to them that what's happening is you're suggesting an adventure and the person you're suggesting it to has agreed to play. |
| 01:43.43 | antiPoP | just the login attempts |
| 01:43.58 | jim | none of the above. |
| 01:44.03 | jim | I'm saying it depends. |
| 01:44.37 | clinton | How well will a 32bit vmware session run on AMD64? |
| 01:44.39 | muibe | does anyone know any music player besides quodlibet that playes mp4s and has got audioscrobbler plugin? |
| 01:44.49 | muibe | *plays |
| 01:44.54 | jerbear | jim: ok, for example... something like zsh. i would like to install the latest version (4.3.5) for some bug fixes. what do you suggest? |
| 01:45.04 | jim | even if the person doesn't know anything yet, it's -still- their choice as to how adventurous they want to be |
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| 01:45.41 | jim | telling them things like "if you have to ask X, we know you don't want to do Y, and if you do, you'll be sorry" |
| 01:45.46 | jim | is bullshit |
| 01:45.58 | muibe | my old iMac with 128mb is pretty slow and with quod libet - cmus and xmms2 didn't work |
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| 01:46.42 | jim | and I'm not saying anyone in particular is doing so, but I will admit that I've seen many examples of that |
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| 01:46.55 | geierAL | Hi |
| 01:47.07 | jerbear | hey, it's my foot to shoot off ;) |
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| 01:47.21 | jim | jerbear: exactly right. |
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| 01:47.49 | jim | that's exactly what I'm saying |
| 01:48.00 | geierAL | i want to compile somethin with flag "-L../lib -lpci" but pci/pci.h isnt found, in which package are those files? |
| 01:48.00 | FelipeSouza | How can i unhold all packages that are in the hold state? |
| 01:48.02 | eth01 | how can i throw up a quick mail server with squirrelmail btw? |
| 01:48.11 | jerbear | jim: i was backing you up :) |
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| 01:48.25 | jim | and saying that you shouldn't do Y if you don't know X is spreading FUD |
| 01:48.35 | S4nD3r | ive got go |
| 01:48.38 | S4nD3r | see you guys |
| 01:48.40 | DawnLight | eth01: nothing of that sort is anything close to being quick. what do you need this for? |
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| 01:48.43 | S4nD3r | thanks so much |
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| 01:48.50 | DawnLight | my pleasure |
| 01:48.54 | jim | well not always, but for most examples of X and Y I've seen, it looks like FUD to me |
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| 01:49.21 | ignu | Is there an easy way to install and enable Java? I'm not getting it even though I followed every %*@* instruction at http://www.java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting |
| 01:49.36 | jim | lots of times when I've seen that, the underlying reason for doing it has been to make it easier for the helper |
| 01:49.48 | DawnLight | ignu: what operating system are you using? |
| 01:49.49 | jim | which you can still do by informing the user |
| 01:49.59 | ignu | Linux (Debian) |
| 01:50.05 | DawnLight | ignu: what version? |
| 01:50.14 | ignu | Debian 4.0 r2 |
| 01:50.33 | humbolto | how can I have two id_dsa files in .ssh? |
| 01:50.42 | jim | with different names |
| 01:51.05 | humbolto | jim: and how would .ssh or .ssh-agent know which one to use? |
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| 01:51.18 | jim | you'd tell it one way or another |
| 01:51.29 | jim | perhaps there' |
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| 01:51.40 | DawnLight | ignu: debian has a packaging system. software should be installed only via the packaging system. before you do anything else, you should undo everything you did to the system while trying to install java from the sun website |
| 01:51.48 | jerbear | correct me if i'm wrong, but ssh will look for one of the default names unless you pass it a different one |
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| 01:51.52 | jim | is a a way on the command line, more likely you would specify that in a user's ssh config |
| 01:52.04 | ignu | DawnLight, what is the package I should 'aptitude install'? |
| 01:52.17 | eth01 | DawnLight, a php script. |
| 01:52.47 | dkr | !tell ignu about sunjava |
| 01:53.01 | ignu | dkr ... thx much |
| 01:53.09 | DawnLight | ignu http://packages.debian.org will help. look for sun-java |
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| 01:54.45 | antiPoP | the server is a VPS |
| 01:54.47 | antiPoP | teh issue is |
| 01:55.01 | antiPoP | I have an account a, I can log it with not issues |
| 01:55.07 | antiPoP | but with an account b |
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| 01:55.12 | antiPoP | I can log it |
| 01:55.15 | DawnLight | !tell eth01 about exim4 |
| 01:55.15 | antiPoP | can't |
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| 01:55.46 | DawnLight | antiPoP: you can specify the id file to use with ssh. man ssh |
| 01:56.04 | jim | antiPoP: account b could have its own set of ssh keys |
| 01:56.08 | antiPoP | well, I was talking about vsftpd |
| 01:56.13 | antiPoP | (tahnks anyway) |
| 01:56.27 | jim | antiPoP: what are you calling the acct you're logging into? |
| 01:56.31 | DawnLight | sftp uses ssh, if i'm not mistaking |
| 01:56.46 | jim | yes it does |
| 01:57.05 | antiPoP | well I have an account , letst say test0, taht acount was created by my hosting and wroks finbe |
| 01:57.13 | antiPoP | but using test1 created by me |
| 01:57.15 | antiPoP | does nto work |
| 01:57.21 | cafuego | does not work how? |
| 01:57.33 | DawnLight | antiPoP: use ssh -v |
| 01:57.43 | jim | so you log into one, you can log in... you log into the other, no? |
| 01:58.01 | cafuego | How did you create the account? |
| 01:58.33 | antiPoP | my issue is realted to vsFTPd |
| 01:58.36 | antiPoP | not to ssh |
| 01:58.49 | antiPoP | the issue is that with an account can log it int vsFTP |
| 01:58.56 | jim | are you sure you want to use ftpd of any kind? |
| 01:59.00 | antiPoP | but with the account created by myself I can't |
| 01:59.01 | humbolto | jim, jerbear: you can specify the id_dsa/id_rsa file with --identity. Still I get "Permission denied (publickey)" |
| 01:59.03 | jerbear | how hard is it to setup network-manager in gnome similar to ubuntu (i need easy wireless) |
| 01:59.21 | humbolto | Reason being probably that I don't have the public key. |
| 01:59.29 | humbolto | It is on the remote host. |
| 01:59.34 | cafuego | antiPoP: What does the vfstpd log file say? |
| 01:59.42 | antiPoP | well, the client wants to use it |
| 01:59.51 | antiPoP | it jst logs the login attemps |
| 01:59.55 | antiPoP | nothing more |
| 01:59.55 | DawnLight | jerbear: there's a package... |
| 01:59.58 | jim | humbolto: the private key needs to be on the machine you're logging in from |
| 02:00.15 | humbolto | jim: exactly |
| 02:00.39 | humbolto | and that are the id_rsa and the id_dsa that I am having. |
| 02:00.44 | cafuego | humbolto: and the public key needs to be on the server you're logging in to, in the file ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 02:00.55 | humbolto | Should be there. |
| 02:00.56 | jim | a copy of the text of the publ key needs to be on the machine you're logging into, in ~theUserYouWant/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 02:00.56 | cafuego | antiPoP: Do both accounts have the same shell? |
| 02:00.57 | jerbear | DawnLight: i've never actually set it up on ubuntu, it just comes install.... is there anything special to do (beyond install) to get it setup and working properly? |
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| 02:01.41 | humbolto | ahh, wait |
| 02:01.41 | jim | you would append to that file |
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| 02:01.42 | cafuego | humbolto: Shoudl be != is |
| 02:01.42 | humbolto | I tried to connect as the wrong user. |
| 02:01.42 | humbolto | yeah! |
| 02:01.42 | antiPoP | cafuego why the shell matters here' I'm talking about vsFTPd |
| 02:01.42 | humbolto | done! |
| 02:01.45 | cafuego | antiPoP: Did you not want help then? |
| 02:01.48 | cafuego | antiPoP: Do both accounts have the same shell? |
| 02:01.55 | antiPoP | let me see |
| 02:01.57 | antiPoP | 1 second |
| 02:02.28 | DawnLight | jerbear: i don't know. read the /usr/share/doc/network-manager/*. perhaps you can get away with using something like wifi-radar |
| 02:02.30 | cafuego | antiPoP: For the record, users cannot use ftp if their shell is not listed in /etc/shells. |
| 02:02.49 | antiPoP | ca yes, both have /bin/bash |
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| 02:03.26 | cafuego | Ok. Does the the client say why the user cannot login? |
| 02:04.17 | antiPoP | Response:530 Login incorrect. |
| 02:04.34 | jerbear | debian seems to have a different way of using sudo than ubuntu... what do i have to do to use sudo? |
| 02:04.37 | cafuego | That means you're using the wrong username or wrong password. |
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| 02:05.00 | cafuego | jerbear: Install it and add yourself to the sudoers file. |
| 02:05.15 | antiPoP | no, i tested it several tiems |
| 02:05.18 | antiPoP | with several users |
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| 02:05.40 | jerbear | how do i add myself to a sudoers file if i can't use sudo? |
| 02:05.51 | dondelelcaro | jerbear: su to root and add yourself. |
| 02:07.21 | cafuego | antiPoP: Check auth.log |
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| 02:08.04 | jerbear | this seems odd to me, i remember having to do all of this visudo stuff in slackware. ubuntu uses an admin group to manage access to sudo, why does debian not do this? |
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| 02:08.59 | jim | remember that ubuntu is generally a snapshot of sid that's been massaged for awhile |
| 02:09.15 | Coweater | jerbear: debian can do it, the configuration is left up to you |
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| 02:09.37 | antiPoP | ok, I get this error: |
| 02:09.37 | antiPoP | Mar 4 02:09:02 aoline vsftpd: pam_mysql - SELECT returned no result. |
| 02:09.41 | jerbear | if i upgrade to lenny, will it be a little closer to what i'm used to? |
| 02:09.44 | antiPoP | aoline is the user that works |
| 02:10.01 | antiPoP | teh issue is taht I'm trying to log with anotehr username (dotproject) |
| 02:10.24 | DawnLight | !tell jerbear about ubuntu |
| 02:10.25 | Coweater | jerbear: it'll have some newer versions of stuff |
| 02:11.51 | ftp3 | anyone have any idea on my issue? |
| 02:12.19 | DawnLight | ftp3: what issue |
| 02:12.21 | ftp3 | so.. i am trying to install debian on a machine that I installed debian on a few weeks ago and I messed up the partitions.. I really can't recall if I had issues before, but now, when booting from the cd, i get this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/927126 |
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| 02:13.17 | antiPoP | ok I got it |
| 02:13.21 | ftp3 | i googled it and lots of people have had that error, but none from booting from the cd |
| 02:13.25 | antiPoP | was the pam service, was a wrong name! |
| 02:13.56 | DawnLight | ftp3: ahm... did you rearrange partitions? |
| 02:14.06 | antiPoP | cafuego thanks anyway |
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| 02:14.53 | DawnLight | ftp3: what do you mean you messed them up? how are they messed up? |
| 02:15.06 | ftp3 | dawnlight.. cant.. it boots the cd "debian swirl" i press enter and i get that error (after some time) |
| 02:15.17 | ftp3 | they are just wrong, wrong sizes, not "messed up" |
| 02:15.33 | ftp3 | so, to create new partitions, i need to reinstall the OS ;-) |
| 02:15.41 | jim | what?? |
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| 02:16.02 | jim | well, you don't have to do it that way... but certainly you can |
| 02:16.27 | ftp3 | for example, i made /usr the totally wrong size |
| 02:16.30 | ftp3 | how would i fix that? |
| 02:16.32 | jim | I change how my partitions are at will, without reinstalling |
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| 02:17.02 | jim | what kind of partition is it on? what filesystem type? |
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| 02:17.08 | jim | also are you using lvm? |
| 02:17.13 | jim | brb |
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| 02:17.42 | jim | (is it remote would be another question, but again, brb) |
| 02:18.00 | ftp3 | jim, i'm on kvm/ip |
| 02:18.03 | ftp3 | its ext3 |
| 02:18.10 | isleshocky77 | I was trying to install the application imagemagick when I kept getting a segfault. I looked up segfaults and saw someone said to try and rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin . I get a seg fault there as well. I realized I get a segfault any time I try using the rm command. However, the rest of the system seems fine. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 02:20.00 | jim | ftp3: is the partition too large or too small? |
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| 02:21.08 | ftp3 | jim, 1) i need more partitions than i initially created, 2) to small |
| 02:21.14 | srini | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libcurl.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. any help ? |
| 02:21.55 | jim | ftp3: do you have physical access to the machine in question? or is it a remote server thousands of miles away? or something inbetween? |
| 02:22.11 | srini | i am trying to upgrade debian server install .. I see atleast 20 of these repeating .. anyone can help ? |
| 02:22.25 | jim | ftp3: df /usr |
| 02:22.31 | jim | should be one line |
| 02:22.52 | dondelelcaro | srini: reinstall whatever package provides /usr/lib/libcurl.so (most likely libcurl-dev, though why anything is linking with libcurl.so instead af libcurl.so.4 or similar is not clear) |
| 02:23.03 | ftp3 | jim, i have kvm/ip access to it... i had it sitting here.. then i shipped it off.. then i realized i had messed up |
| 02:23.27 | jim | oh, ok... do you have much unpartitioned space? |
| 02:23.34 | jim | are you presently using lvm? |
| 02:23.43 | ftp3 | i filled /usr with 100% that was left |
| 02:24.16 | jim | could you pastebin the output of df and mount |
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| 02:24.42 | jim | also fdisk -l |
| 02:24.45 | ftp3 | jim, yeah, hang on, i have to reboot it because it is at that kernel panic i pasted ;-) |
| 02:24.53 | jim | ahh |
| 02:25.06 | srini | dondelelcar: similarly I have ldconfig: /usr/lib/libperl.so.5.8.. should I reinstall that package too ? |
| 02:25.07 | ftp3 | it runs fine when i boot from the hd |
| 02:25.17 | ftp3 | i just dunno why it wont boot from the cd |
| 02:25.45 | jim | why do you want to boot from the cd when it's installed already? |
| 02:26.04 | ftp3 | i did not know there was another way to add/change partitions |
| 02:26.06 | ftp3 | :-) |
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| 02:26.36 | dondelelcaro | srini: most likely, yes. |
| 02:26.59 | dondelelcaro | srini: since all of those should be valid elf files. The fact that they're not seems to indicate that something has either munged them or you've got drive corruption. |
| 02:27.44 | srini | thanks.. will do |
| 02:28.32 | isleshocky77 | Anyone know what might be causing a segfault on rm ? |
| 02:29.12 | dondelelcaro | isleshocky77: rm is segfaulting? |
| 02:29.12 | isleshocky77 | yeah |
| 02:29.12 | jim | oh, well, that's true... you could boot the cd and use its commands |
| 02:29.20 | isleshocky77 | dondelelcaro: First I was getting them while trying to install some through aptitude. |
| 02:29.27 | jim | dondelelcaro: I wonder if his rm is the one shipped in the package |
| 02:29.55 | jim | and if not, did he get pwnd |
| 02:30.11 | isleshocky77 | jim: how do I check? |
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| 02:31.39 | isleshocky77 | jim: rm --help segfaults |
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| 02:33.05 | Piet | isleshocky77: md5sum it and check it against one you download or one on another machine running the same debian version |
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| 02:33.31 | isleshocky77 | I don't have a machine running the same version of debian |
| 02:33.55 | Piet | so do the other |
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| 02:34.15 | Tramp | isleshocky77: what gives "type rm" |
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| 02:34.59 | michal_ | hi. i've just built m own kernel packages but apt-get keeps insisting that it wants to upgrade the linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-686 package. i'm not expert but i expect this would break my system with the kernel and modules being mismatched. i have tried pinning it in /etc/apt/preferences but it either doesn't work as described in the debian manual or I'm doing something wrong. can anyone point me to some further information? |
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| 02:35.30 | dondelelcaro | michal_: it won't break your system unless the kernel you've built has exactly the same uname -r; as that kernel package. |
| 02:35.59 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: it does |
| 02:35.59 | isleshocky77 | "rm is hashed (/bin/rm)" |
| 02:36.00 | dondelelcaro | michal_: that said, if you're not using the linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 kernel, then you can remove that package. |
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| 02:36.08 | dondelelcaro | michal_: uh... well, that was kind of stupid on your part. |
| 02:36.20 | Tramp | isleshocky77: that's ok. pastebin the output of "strace /bin/rm --help" somewhere (hoping that you strace works) |
| 02:36.36 | isleshocky77 | Tramp: "rm is hashed (/bin/rm)" |
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| 02:36.56 | dondelelcaro | (since the Debian kernels use a relatively unique uname -r on purpose) |
| 02:36.58 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: i couldn't get it to build any other way. i was following instructions which were the only solution i could find |
| 02:37.23 | michal_ | ie. http://www.myelin.co.nz/post/2007/5/11/ |
| 02:37.35 | michal_ | specifically make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch-i386-xen-686 |
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| 02:37.54 | dondelelcaro | michal_: those instructions are totally worthless |
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| 02:38.15 | isleshocky77 | Tramp: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/m1d2b0cd7 |
| 02:38.28 | dondelelcaro | michal_: all you needed to do was get the kernel source, drop in the debian config, make any configuration changes you need, then use make-kpkg. |
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| 02:38.37 | michal_ | i tried using make-kpkg with append but it would complain that there is no .config. i wanted to use the default config except for one change i made to the xen kernel |
| 02:39.17 | dondelelcaro | michal_: right, so copy the default config to .config |
| 02:39.23 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: the way the debian kernel is built it builds the patch files from multiple files (as far as i can tell). i didn't know how to integrate my change with that |
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| 02:39.44 | dondelelcaro | michal_: yes, but you don't need to build everything that the Debian kernel builds |
| 02:39.53 | dondelelcaro | michal_: all you need to do is build a single kernel |
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| 02:39.55 | michal_ | honestly i wish the upstream kernel made this change but they seem against it |
| 02:39.58 | Piet | isleshocky77: you can check http://packages.debian.org/coreutils for your debian version + architecture, download, extract (dpkg -x coreutils...), then md5sum |
| 02:40.21 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: but i want to build it with all the debian patches applied just like the debian supplied kernel. |
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| 02:41.25 | dondelelcaro | michal_: so you install the appropriate linux-source package, and apply the appropriate linux-patch package using --added-patches |
| 02:42.17 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: but will that build a kernel identical to the one in the debian repository with the exception of my change? |
| 02:42.45 | dondelelcaro | michal_: assuming you use the same configuration, yes. |
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| 02:43.09 | dondelelcaro | the main difference will be that it won't build a separate modules package, but that's no big deal |
| 02:43.22 | dondelelcaro | (you can just install the normal kernel package even on xen machines) |
| 02:43.23 | ftp3 | jim: here is the info: http://www.pastebin.ca/927213 |
| 02:43.30 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: right. how do i figure out WHICH configuration is being used because as far as i can tell the config file in which i made the change is a partial config file |
| 02:43.44 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: this is a dom0 |
| 02:43.49 | dondelelcaro | michal_: use the one from /boot/config-*; of whatever kernel you want to make |
| 02:43.58 | dondelelcaro | michal_: in modern versions of xen there's no difference between the two kernels. |
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| 02:45.03 | michal_ | the debian xen packages depend on the xen kernel |
| 02:46.39 | DustyBin | and there is no xen kernel in lenny testing at the moment |
| 02:46.56 | michal_ | thanks for reminding me about the /boot/config files.. that's probably he easiest solution |
| 02:46.58 | DustyBin | michal_: you'll have to dig out the tools and make on yourself :P |
| 02:47.07 | michal_ | i'm on etch |
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| 02:47.44 | dondelelcaro | michal_: they shouldn't. |
| 02:47.46 | rrbox | some1 know how i can figure out what /dev/dsp channel is associated to "line-in" used by tvtuner ? |
| 02:48.07 | dondelelcaro | michal_: and the ones in unstable do not. Which package in particular do you think depends on the Debian xen kernel? |
| 02:48.38 | michal_ | and the debian kernel doesn't have CONFIG_XEN_BLKDEV_TAP built as a module (or at all).. which is what is making my life difficult |
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| 02:49.59 | michal_ | well xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-686.. but this seems to be a virtual package if i'm not mistaken |
| 02:50.42 | dondelelcaro | michal_: yes, it's just a package that gets everything that you'd need for a xen system. |
| 02:51.38 | michal_ | the default debian kernel (non-xen in etch) doesn't support running as xen0 though does it? |
| 02:51.52 | michal_ | as dom0 rather |
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| 02:53.06 | michal_ | linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 is the latest in etch |
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| 02:55.10 | michal_ | no. it doesn't seem to have any of the xen configuration parameters at all in the non-xen version |
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| 02:56.11 | dondelelcaro | michal_: nah, you'd just use the xen kernel for it |
| 02:57.01 | Nyle | holy shit squid has 4500~ish lines in the conf |
| 02:58.37 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: how would that wok exactly? where do i get the xen kernel if i don't use the debian xen kernel? |
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| 02:58.59 | dondelelcaro | michal_: the debian xen kernel is what I mean |
| 02:59.01 | michal_ | and if i use a xen kernel provided by some third party what assurances do i have that debian maintainers ever tested it? |
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| 03:00.17 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: guess i'll just go back to the beggining and try the same thing i did last time except with a custom make-kpkg line and the modified .config file |
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| 03:00.51 | dondelelcaro | michal_: yeah, that's the easy way. |
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| 03:01.10 | dondelelcaro | michal_: it looks like the kernel option you were looking for isn't even an option in 2.6.24, though. |
| 03:01.39 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: maybe they've made it part of the kernel? :/ |
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| 03:03.03 | michal_ | it's the recommended way for xen domU to access file based disks |
| 03:03.55 | michal_ | wait.. i think i'm doing this wrong from the start |
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| 03:04.07 | michal_ | based on some web page which had the wrong idea |
| 03:04.35 | michal_ | i should use linux-source-2.6.18 and linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 packages shouldn't i? |
| 03:05.27 | dondelelcaro | michal_: exactly. |
| 03:05.31 | RyanRyan52 | There is no way to copy/paste between firefox and xterm |
| 03:05.33 | jerbear | i don't suppose anyone knows how to get to the virtual terminals in vmware? |
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| 03:05.39 | RyanRyan52 | anybody know of a way? |
| 03:05.56 | RyanRyan52 | or a different xterm-ish thing I could use that would let me? |
| 03:06.03 | dondelelcaro | RyanRyan52: select and middle button paste |
| 03:08.15 | dondelelcaro | RyanRyan52: there are other methods of moving stuff to the different paste buffers, but I don't know if there's a way within xterm to select stuff to copy/paste without the mouse. |
| 03:08.25 | \amethyst | RyanRyan52: doesn't shift-insert paste for you? |
| 03:08.43 | RyanRyan52 | what about copying? |
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| 03:09.35 | dondelelcaro | RyanRyan52: for that I personally use screen and xcb or similar. |
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| 03:10.36 | RyanRyan52 | thanks |
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| 03:11.41 | snogglethorpe | has anyone noticed fairly severe starvation problems related to heavy disk i/o recnetly? |
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| 03:12.55 | snogglethorpe | e.g., doing an apt upgrade, where the disk gets hammered pretty heavily will result in metacity / emacs / other processes apparently not seeing keyboard/mouse inptu for like _15 minutes_ -- and then when apt is done, they all suddenly respond to those old inputs! |
| 03:13.20 | snogglethorpe | but the xterm showing the upgrade scrolls by normally, and the mouse pointer also moves smoothly... |
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| 03:16.02 | Nyle | simonrvn: delay_parameters 1 128000/128000 -1/-1 32000/128000 |
| 03:16.08 | Nyle | simonrvn: thats not too cruel eh |
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| 03:17.35 | isleshocky77 | Tramp: Any ideas from that pastebin? my rm file checks out when compared to a new version with md5sum |
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| 03:18.33 | Tramp | isleshocky77: for a test: "touch /etc/ld.so.nohwcap" and retry. It then uses a differnt libc6 - does it change the outcome? |
| 03:19.10 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: hm, what kind of hd controller? (PATA, SATA, SCSI, ...) |
| 03:20.07 | Nyle | sweet, now I got 80kb/s down and he has only 32kb/s up |
| 03:20.16 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: i think it's PATA (it's a sevearl-year-old rather generic system) |
| 03:20.50 | isleshocky77 | Tram I don't have that file. |
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| 03:21.07 | Tramp | isleshocky77: yes. That's why you should "touch" it. |
| 03:21.17 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: i notice somethign vaguely similar if i try to e.g. use the gnome menu, and it needs to build the menu or page in stuff to pop up -- while it's churning, I can't use any other apps,t hough the mouse moves fine |
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| 03:21.42 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: what does hdparm /dev/hda say about using_dma ? |
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| 03:22.07 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: using_dma = 1 (on) |
| 03:22.08 | jerbear | this may be a really stupid question, but is there such thing as a backports repo for lenny? |
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| 03:23.19 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: hm, anything in your kernel logs? |
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| 03:24.11 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: the only odd thing is a bunch of nfs "server not responding" messages... though afaik, the apt upgrade shouldn't touch nfs at all |
| 03:24.38 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: what is NFS-mounted? |
| 03:24.39 | ftp3 | you around Jim? |
| 03:24.44 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: homedir mostly |
| 03:24.52 | isleshocky77 | Tramp: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/pastebin.php?diff=d536e9423 |
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| 03:24.52 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: anything else? |
| 03:24.52 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: maybe the heavy disk i/o is somehow locking out nfs, and that's causing my other apps to hang |
| 03:25.22 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: some project dirs, but they're all in relatively isolated namespac e (/proj/projXX, where projXX is the nfs moutn point) |
| 03:26.18 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: what did hdparm say about unmaskirq? |
| 03:27.01 | Tramp | isleshocky77: what version of libc6 do you have (dpkg -l libc6) |
| 03:27.04 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: unmaskirq = 0 (off) |
| 03:27.27 | cizzi | \amethyst .. quick question.. what are the main differences when working with assembly language on the linux platform vs windows? |
| 03:27.42 | isleshocky77 | Tramp: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 03:27.49 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: if you do hdparm -u 1 /dev/hda does that help |
| 03:28.15 | \amethyst | cizzi: the GNU assembler uses AT&T syntax, while most Windows assemblers use Intel syntax |
| 03:28.24 | cizzi | \amethyst - thanks |
| 03:28.43 | \amethyst | cizzi: Also, gcc's inline assembler support is very sophisticated |
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| 03:29.26 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: I'll try it (it's not entirely trivial to test whether it's solved, but I'll see the next time I do something like upgrading)... thanks! |
| 03:29.30 | cizzi | \amethyst - good.. I ordered a book on asm specific for the linux platform |
| 03:29.45 | \amethyst | cizzi: what book? |
| 03:30.08 | abrotman | you know .. the linux asm book! |
| 03:30.12 | cizzi | \amethyst - "Guide to Assembly Language Programming in Linux" |
| 03:30.12 | cizzi | Sivarama P. Dandamudi; Paperback; |
| 03:30.13 | snogglethorpe | cizzi: yeah, working with gcc's asm directive is actually really fun ... you can focus on exactly those bits which _need_ to be in assembler, and interfacing with your C code is very good |
| 03:33.21 | Tramp | isleshocky77: well. this is, aeh, weird. Can you remove the file with perl -we 'unlink "/etc/ld.so.nohwcap"' |
| 03:33.46 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: how can i tell what patches are available? i followed some instructions i found online that suggested I use -added-patches xen with make-kpkg but when i tried that it said that it could not find a patch for xen even thought there is a /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.18/debian/features/all/xen with hat appear to be the necessary files |
| 03:34.29 | isleshocky77 | Tramp: yeop |
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| 03:35.03 | cizzi | thanks \amethyst |
| 03:35.12 | dondelelcaro | michal_: that's most likely --added-patches debian |
| 03:35.39 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: will it automatically apply the xen patch along with all the others? |
| 03:35.44 | Tramp | isleshocky77: Sorry, I have really no idea why your rm segfaults. |
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| 03:36.18 | jim | ftp3: ok, so I'd like to see output of df as well |
| 03:36.33 | ftp3 | ok hold on |
| 03:37.02 | dondelelcaro | michal_: it should, yes. |
| 03:37.48 | ftp3 | jim: http://www.pastebin.ca/927251 |
| 03:37.54 | michal_ | before i commit to a long build.. i've used this based on what may be poor information as some of the rest of the commandline.. -append-to-version -1-686-xen-pwd.20080304 --revision 2.6.18-6 |
| 03:38.05 | abrotman | Tramp: md5 of the rm ? |
| 03:38.09 | michal_ | is any of that a big mistake waiting to happen? |
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| 03:38.29 | Tramp | abrotman: he said he fetched a coreutils package and compared it |
| 03:38.41 | abrotman | ok |
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| 03:38.44 | Xcerca | is there a font package for debian that i can install new fonts or somthing like that ? |
| 03:38.50 | jim | ftp3, well :) you have 300g on /home and you're not using a whole lot of it :) |
| 03:38.52 | isleshocky77 | abrotman: yeah, they have the same md5sum |
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| 03:38.58 | dondelelcaro | michal_: just do --append-to-version -686-xen-michal --revision $(date +%Y%m%d) or similar. |
| 03:39.18 | abrotman | isleshocky77: and the libraries it links against? |
| 03:39.30 | ftp3 | jim: yeah, what i want is this: http://www.pastebin.ca/927252 |
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| 03:40.23 | Tramp | abrotman: his libc is 2.3.6.ds1-13, current in etch is ...etch5 - should he try to update? |
| 03:40.26 | isleshocky77 | abrotman: How do I know which ones? |
| 03:40.27 | jim | ftp3: hmm... how large is the space? |
| 03:40.52 | abrotman | isleshocky77: ldd `which rm` .. not many thoough .. |
| 03:41.11 | ftp3 | jim: what space? the hd is 320gig |
| 03:41.20 | Xcerca | is it De-bye-an or Deb-e-an ? |
| 03:41.21 | michal_ | hmm.. it's asking me question.. i wonder why.. the cnfig should answer tham all :/ |
| 03:41.37 | jim | Xcerca: it's Debbie Anne! |
| 03:41.47 | jim | I dunno :) |
| 03:41.51 | michal_ | HPET Timer Support (HPET_TIMER) .. i don't think i need this |
| 03:42.07 | michal_ | i'll see if i can choose defaults.. hopefully there won't be many |
| 03:42.20 | jim | ftp3: is it possible to reinstall it? |
| 03:42.21 | Xcerca | thats what i thought , chris pirrilo pronounced it wrong... >:o |
| 03:42.39 | Tramp | isleshocky77: if you have the rm you just unpacked still lying around - does it segfault as well (when using the full path to it) |
| 03:42.48 | jim | Xcerca: truthfully, I have no idea how it's pronounced |
| 03:42.50 | michal_ | hmm.. debian default is y.. i'll just grep for the defaults |
| 03:42.52 | ftp3 | jim: LOL yes, that is how this whole thread got started.. when i try and boot from the cd.. i get this error after the debian swirl screen: |
| 03:42.59 | isleshocky77 | yep |
| 03:43.05 | isleshocky77 | Tramp: yeah |
| 03:43.17 | Xcerca | yea me either... ehh |
| 03:43.18 | ftp3 | http://www.pastebin.ca/927126 |
| 03:43.26 | Xcerca | laters gents |
| 03:43.27 | DawnLight | debian is made up of debra and... iyan, if that's how it is spelled |
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| 03:43.53 | DawnLight | iirc... |
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| 03:44.14 | Tramp | isleshocky77: this is so weird ... and virtually everyting else works? just rm is broken but unlink called through perl works |
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| 03:44.29 | screamingbytes | evening all |
| 03:44.29 | regeya | um...look at the name 'debian' and tell me again how that second name is spelled :-> |
| 03:44.42 | eshaase | why does 'vi' take so long to load when i execute it in a screen session as opposed to outside of screen? |
| 03:45.00 | jim | ftp3: this is when you boot how? |
| 03:45.43 | DawnLight | Ian Murdock and Debra |
| 03:45.58 | DawnLight | (married) |
| 03:46.01 | isleshocky77 | yeah. |
| 03:46.05 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: for some reason it seems that i need to answer most of the config questions :/ |
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| 03:46.23 | isleshocky77 | Tramp: yeah, but like I said I found out about this because it was segfaulting on aptitude install imagemagick |
| 03:46.54 | Tramp | isleshocky77: at least you are not alone: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397513 - even the strace looks very similar to yours |
| 03:46.55 | ftp3 | jim, i stick the debian x86 4.x cdrom #1 in, and reboot |
| 03:47.02 | dondelelcaro | michal_: did you put the config you wanted into .config? |
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| 03:47.20 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: yes.. and i have to grep the config file to find the answer and plug it back in |
| 03:47.20 | dondelelcaro | michal_: 'cause by default it just runs make oldconfig, which should obviate every question. |
| 03:47.35 | michal_ | maybe i need to do the oldconfig thing or something like that |
| 03:48.04 | dondelelcaro | michal_: try just make oldconfig; to make sure it does what you expect it to do. |
| 03:48.12 | isleshocky77 | Tramp: Yeah, but the solution he had was to redo the system; which I can't do. It's a live box. |
| 03:48.30 | Tramp | isleshocky77: yes. nasty. |
| 03:48.40 | jim | see what I think you should do probably is have the swap and /boot (as ext2) be separate partitions, and then have everything else in separate partitions as you describe, but the remaining space should be in a one-partition lvm physical volume and you would make a volume group for it and then define the partitions |
| 03:48.58 | abrotman | does the regular unlink work? |
| 03:49.13 | michal_ | even though i copy the config file in place before i make-kpkg .... kernel_image it seems to get blown away |
| 03:49.40 | dondelelcaro | isleshocky77: the only solution is to turn on coredumps, run rm, get it to segfault, and look at the resultant dump under gdb. |
| 03:49.48 | jim | one way of doing it is boot into single user mode, copy the /home partition onto a tarball which would be kept in one of the other partitions (not /home, we would blow it away to put a lvm pv on it) |
| 03:50.02 | dondelelcaro | (or run gdb rm; r; bt full; or simlar) |
| 03:50.14 | dondelelcaro | isleshocky77: that will at least tell you why rm is segfaulting |
| 03:50.20 | ftp3 | jim: is the "easiest" solution for me to just beat on the cd until it installs? |
| 03:50.23 | michal_ | maybe if i chmod a-w .config as root :/ |
| 03:50.25 | jim | then we wouldn't have to reinstall but you'd have some wasted space until and unless we make another pv out of the other space |
| 03:50.35 | jim | maybe |
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| 03:50.58 | jim | but it's possible to do it without reinstalling |
| 03:51.00 | dondelelcaro | isleshocky77: the output from ldd /usr/bin/rm; and which rm; may also be informative. |
| 03:51.20 | screamingbytes | im bored bored bored :( |
| 03:51.44 | dondelelcaro | screamingbytes: so help fix bugs or supply patches or similar |
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| 03:52.01 | dondelelcaro | we've got a great collection of > 460 RC bugs that could use your attention |
| 03:52.03 | jim | or find a babe who will do all that (and much more) for you :) |
| 03:52.04 | screamingbytes | dondelelcaro: I wish I had the skill I would |
| 03:52.18 | isleshocky77 | dondelelcaro: dgb: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d325494a6 |
| 03:52.31 | dondelelcaro | screamingbytes: you've almost certainly got the skills to solve some of them. |
| 03:52.33 | ftp3 | jim: i am going to try again with the cd one more time.. :-) |
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| 03:52.34 | screamingbytes | Id rather spend time fixing debian, then getting fixed by a woman |
| 03:53.05 | jim | don't let her fix you... she'll actually like you more if you don't |
| 03:53.07 | screamingbytes | dondelelcaro: kk ill take a look |
| 03:53.12 | michal_ | haha.. it worked.. chowned it roo and made it red only.. now it's compiling |
| 03:53.20 | jim | roored |
| 03:53.24 | michal_ | i'd prefer to know wtf it was doing that though |
| 03:53.39 | screamingbytes | donelelcaro: specific web link you recomend, or the buglist on debian.com |
| 03:54.01 | jim | ftp3: gonna try the lvm method? |
| 03:54.02 | dondelelcaro | screamingbytes: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 03:54.19 | isleshocky77 | dondelelcaro: which rm is /bin/rm and ldd /bin/rm is http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d26bbed8e |
| 03:55.18 | magyar | hi, need to installa package and ignore dependencies. How will i go about? |
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| 03:55.51 | jim | magyar, dpkg --help |
| 03:55.53 | edgardoweb | hi |
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| 03:58.13 | screamingbytes | magyar: dpkg --help | grep -B 1 dependencies |
| 03:58.21 | dondelelcaro | isleshocky77: ok; just guessing, it's probably a problem in the libc6 package; you should probably reinstall that package if you can. |
| 03:58.37 | dondelelcaro | isleshocky77: reinstalling coreutils may also help |
| 03:59.34 | screamingbytes | dondelelcaro: iyo stable or testing? im leaning towards testing... just curious |
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| 03:59.59 | magyar | screamingbytes: dpkg --force-all -i |
| 04:00.03 | dondelelcaro | screamingbytes: for what? |
| 04:00.08 | magyar | works like a dream |
| 04:00.29 | screamingbytes | dondelelcaro: when picking the lists of RC bug reports |
| 04:00.39 | dondelelcaro | screamingbytes: no, you want main. |
| 04:00.44 | screamingbytes | kk |
| 04:00.50 | dondelelcaro | ugh. Don't ever use --force-all. |
| 04:01.16 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason to ever use it. Any time you think you may want to use a --force option you should pick the right one to use. |
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| 04:02.54 | isleshocky77 | dondelelcaro: How can I reinstall coreutils? Since it's core won't it not let me do a reinstall? |
| 04:03.09 | isleshocky77 | dondelelcaro: Also, since aptitude and apt-get don't work how can I do it? |
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| 04:03.46 | juannicolas | Helo, how can i install the defaults apache file because I accidentaly erase the apache2 folder from my ocmputer |
| 04:03.55 | dondelelcaro | isleshocky77: uh... it'll let you do a reinstall. |
| 04:04.08 | dondelelcaro | isleshocky77: and if apt-get and aptitude aren't working, just wget the appropriate .deb and dpkg -i it. |
| 04:04.11 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 04:04.12 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 04:04.15 | dondelelcaro | juannicolas: see above. |
| 04:04.18 | abrotman | juannicolas: /msg dpkg confmiss .. the package is apache2.2-common |
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| 04:04.50 | isleshocky77 | I already have the right .deb from before. |
| 04:05.19 | jim | and what about the left .deb??! |
| 04:05.24 | Nyle | what is the correct method of loading modules in apache2.2 |
| 04:05.31 | abrotman | a2enmod |
| 04:05.50 | jim | does that alter a config file? |
| 04:06.31 | juannicolas | i dont quite understan |
| 04:06.32 | juannicolas | :S |
| 04:07.37 | Nyle | hm never knew about it til now, I just simply copied the files etc. |
| 04:08.01 | abrotman | Nyle: you could symlink from modules-enabled to modules-available |
| 04:08.07 | Nyle | I did |
| 04:08.08 | jim | juannicolas: what part do you understand? |
| 04:08.20 | Nyle | I later realized that |
| 04:08.22 | abrotman | symlink is a bit different than copy .. but good enough |
| 04:08.30 | juannicolas | jim about the dpkg command |
| 04:08.30 | juannicolas | :S |
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| 04:08.59 | jim | what about it do you understand? |
| 04:09.00 | Nyle | I symlinked the modules I required not the entire dir |
| 04:09.24 | juannicolas | jim what should I do to reinstall my missing files? |
| 04:09.31 | jim | I'm trying to see where you're at so I have a chance of helping... so I first need to know what you DO understand |
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| 04:09.53 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.02 | abrotman | !tell ross`_ about root |
| 04:10.14 | Nyle | whats a mem/cache reccomendation for 512mb/1.8ghz squid proxy (etch) |
| 04:10.29 | abrotman | 42? |
| 04:10.34 | Nyle | 64 |
| 04:10.35 | DawnLight | abrotman: how do you notice these root logins? |
| 04:10.38 | Nyle | ? |
| 04:10.41 | juannicolas | nice |
| 04:10.41 | Nyle | too big? |
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| 04:10.43 | juannicolas | ! |
| 04:10.45 | abrotman | DawnLight: are you ignoring join/parts? |
| 04:10.46 | juannicolas | abrotman thx! |
| 04:11.11 | DawnLight | abrotman: my mind filters them |
| 04:11.30 | abrotman | DawnLight: so if you see ross`_ entering .. you should see his "root"-ness |
| 04:11.30 | DawnLight | you actually read them? |
| 04:11.58 | abrotman | not all of them .. but enough i suppose |
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| 04:12.24 | DawnLight | can't dpkg do this automagically? |
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| 04:12.33 | abrotman | the bot used to .. |
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| 04:13.11 | lunaphyte | i've recently updated a machine that had been running a testing install from some time ago. now, key auth doesn't work with ssh, and i see this in auth.log "sshd[10261]: error: RSA_public_decrypt failed: error:0407006A:lib(4):func(112):reason(106)" |
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| 04:13.48 | lunaphyte | openssl errstr 0407006A says : "error:0407006A:rsa routines:RSA_padding_check_PKCS1_type_1:block type is not 01" - which doesn't mean much more to me, unfortunately. what might be wrong? |
| 04:14.01 | acxty | Well guys I had been searching for a way to activate the FN keys on a compaq c502us but don't find anything, does someone may guide me on where to search? |
| 04:14.17 | DawnLight | i'm so excited. i managed to understand how exim works and configured a router and a transport. /me is pleased |
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| 04:14.20 | abrotman | the FN keys for what? |
| 04:14.39 | lunaphyte | must be a keyboard? |
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| 04:14.44 | acxty | laptop |
| 04:14.49 | abrotman | yes .. to do what? |
| 04:14.56 | Heavy-D | I need help rearranging some iptables rules, how do you move something down or up in the chain? It must make a difference what order it's in, right? |
| 04:15.04 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 04:15.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 04:15.04 | iateadonut | what is network-manager? is there a reason it doesn't do anything when i type networkmanager from the command line? |
| 04:15.14 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:15.47 | DawnLight | iateadonut: /usr/share/doc/networkmanager i guess |
| 04:15.50 | lepton | lunaphyte: what version of openssh-client/server? |
| 04:15.59 | acxty | abrotman, print sc, num lic, play, stop, forward, rewind, select monitor outpu(connect a datashow but it doesn't work) |
| 04:16.03 | \amethyst | Heavy-D: order does matter. AFAIK you can't move them with a single command; you must first -D the rule, then -A or -I the new one |
| 04:16.14 | abrotman | acxty: that's a lot .. it's not just FN keys? |
| 04:16.18 | \amethyst | Heavy-D: -I lets you specify where you want the new rule inserted |
| 04:16.29 | acxty | does are some FN Keys functions |
| 04:16.30 | abrotman | acxty: you might want to look at lineakd |
| 04:16.43 | abrotman | for the play/stop/etc .. |
| 04:17.02 | abrotman | i know that for my thinkpad .. i need the "tpb" package for brightness/volume |
| 04:17.07 | lunaphyte | lepton: dpkg says 1:4.7p1-2 |
| 04:17.29 | Heavy-D | \amethyst: Hrmm cool so how do I specify what place in the list I want with -I then? A numerical value? |
| 04:17.30 | xlotlu | how does the debian_chroot variable work? do i have to create /etc/debian_chroot manually, or there's some magic that might create it for me when i chroot? |
| 04:17.35 | acxty | the thing that interest me the most is the datashow issue, there is a fn key to enable both the monitor and the lcd but it doens't work so I am only getting the lcd |
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| 04:18.26 | DawnLight | מה כן |
| 04:18.27 | Heavy-D | \amethyst: or for that matter how do I delete a specific rule using -D, is that also a number value? |
| 04:18.30 | DawnLight | sorry |
| 04:18.46 | \amethyst | Heavy-D: yeah, like -I INPUT 3 to insert before the third rule |
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| 04:19.09 | \amethyst | Heavy-D: you can delete either by rule number or by the rule specification |
| 04:19.31 | \amethyst | Heavy-D: man iptables explains all this in more detail |
| 04:19.33 | Heavy-D | \amethyst: So for rule number (3 for example) that would be the third rule from the top of the chain when you list them? |
| 04:19.43 | \amethyst | Heavy-D: yes |
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| 04:19.52 | lepton | lunaphyte: I'm running 4.3p2-9 with no issues |
| 04:19.54 | Heavy-D | \amethyst: Sweet thanks man. |
| 04:19.56 | \amethyst | Heavy-D: -A adds to the end, -I without a number adds to the beginning |
| 04:20.08 | Heavy-D | I love this channel. hehe |
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| 04:20.43 | Nyle | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/50475 <- if you are interested i how I did it |
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| 04:21.12 | Nyle | I wonder, if you can specify multiple hosts on one line |
| 04:21.16 | Nyle | should be able to... |
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| 04:24.02 | iateadonut | what's the best gui for looking at a samba network on debian? |
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| 04:24.12 | hooya_ | any lispers here? |
| 04:24.41 | grendal_prime | iateadonut: webmin |
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| 04:25.18 | grendal_prime | if you dont know how to work samba webmin makes it about as easy as it can get |
| 04:25.40 | grendal_prime | be carefull with it though if you dont set it up right it will get your box owned.. |
| 04:26.01 | iateadonut | to browse a network? also apt-cache search webmin turns up nothing. |
| 04:26.13 | grendal_prime | webmin.com |
| 04:26.18 | grendal_prime | there is a package |
| 04:26.24 | grendal_prime | ooo sorry |
| 04:26.36 | grendal_prime | to brows.. |
| 04:26.44 | grendal_prime | smb4k |
| 04:26.50 | iateadonut | ok |
| 04:26.53 | grendal_prime | no brainer |
| 04:27.27 | grendal_prime | it will learn the unlerned seekout the msnetwork and display what is available |
| 04:27.54 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.54 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 04:28.34 | grendal_prime | i did warn him |
| 04:28.40 | lunaphyte | sigh.. is it me, or have package dependencies started to get out of hand? |
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| 04:28.55 | iateadonut | it certainly did that. thanks. |
| 04:29.03 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: probably just you, but what package in particular? |
| 04:29.14 | grendal_prime | craigevil: besides you can install i and not allow it from anythign but localhost |
| 04:29.28 | grendal_prime | ssh in and run iceweisel to use it |
| 04:29.42 | iateadonut | i configure the smb.conf by hand... |
| 04:29.44 | dondelelcaro | if you're going to do that, just use an ssh tunnel. |
| 04:30.01 | grendal_prime | iateadonut: you stud |
| 04:30.09 | iateadonut | ok. i lied. |
| 04:30.09 | lunaphyte | i'm just bellyaching about asterisk in particular. i fail to see why on earth it would *have* to have libcurl3 to function. |
| 04:30.11 | dondelelcaro | 'course, odds are if you know already how to do an ssh tunel you don't need webmin |
| 04:30.20 | grendal_prime | dondelelcaro: ya or vpn in with openvpn |
| 04:30.29 | iateadonut | i used redflag to configure it, and then i copy that over. |
| 04:31.10 | grendal_prime | ya but we have people that love that thing..we use usermin to limit access to certain mods. |
| 04:31.15 | grendal_prime | but they have to vpn in |
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| 04:33.03 | acxty | Any idea activating fn keys on compaq presaio |
| 04:33.07 | acxty | *presario |
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| 04:41.18 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: it built kernel_image but now that I'm trying to build modules_image it refuses to saying The contained UTS_VERSION string: "" does not match expectations: "2.6.18-686-xen-pwd" |
| 04:43.00 | michal_ | looks like i have to start from scratch |
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| 04:44.35 | acxty | I am trying to activate the CRT output on my laptop, anyone? |
| 04:44.37 | Heavy-D | \amethyst: Hey man one quick question again for you if you don't mind. Doesn't the ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere line in the middle of my INPUT chain essentially make that useless? That's accepting everything is it not? |
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| 04:48.01 | indraveni | hi all |
| 04:48.23 | indraveni | In one of my machines, the monitor is not detected properly, thus |
| 04:48.44 | indraveni | when I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg its working fine |
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| 04:49.00 | indraveni | but everytime i reboot my machine i need to run the above command |
| 04:49.12 | indraveni | why do this repeatition needed? |
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| 04:50.06 | Tramp | Heavy-D: If you accept all in the middle, everything behind that rule is not considered anymore |
| 04:50.38 | Heavy-D | Tramp: yeah that's what I thought. Thanks very much Tramp. |
| 04:50.51 | Heavy-D | err.. sorry to say your name twice :S |
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| 04:52.44 | michal_ | :( I can't get make-kpkg to work as documented |
| 04:53.49 | indraveni | but everytime i reboot my machine i need to run the above command |
| 04:54.14 | michal_ | ok.. took an educated guess and did it differently.. i expect it will fail in an hour or so right when it finishes compiling |
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| 04:58.08 | vampirefrog | hi guys. I'm trying to reinstall grub after windows overwrote it in the MBR. I'm using vmware to boot an ubuntu iso, and the physical hard drive as the virtual drive. but for some reason, i can only access /dev/hda as /dev/sda and when I try grub-install /dev/sda it says "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.".. how can I work around this? |
| 04:58.50 | indraveni | hi |
| 04:59.12 | indraveni | could some one tell me, why i need to run the dpkg-reconfigure xsrever-xorg command always i reboot my machine |
| 04:59.19 | indraveni | why is it now happen on its own |
| 04:59.22 | kgoetz | vampirefrog: try using a debian-live, which wont rename all your devices |
| 04:59.35 | vampirefrog | there's a debian live cd? |
| 04:59.40 | vampirefrog | I guess I'll try that then :) |
| 04:59.45 | kgoetz | !tell vampirefrog about debian live |
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| 05:05.09 | jim | indraveni: no idea. why do you think you have to? |
| 05:05.46 | draeath | I'm tyring to use the testing businesscard installer, failing because of the archive key... |
| 05:05.49 | draeath | dpkg wants me to use gpg, but the installer doesn't have that. it's debootstrap that is dying |
| 05:05.49 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, draeath |
| 05:05.53 | indraveni | jim, without running it, my gnome is not starting |
| 05:06.02 | indraveni | the system just stops at the command prompt |
| 05:06.37 | draeath | dpkg: i downloaded the ~ 30mb amd64 testing installer ISO, and when it goes to install the base system it fails with invalid release signature |
| 05:06.51 | jim | is the machine you're typing at now to talk here the same as the machine you're talking about? |
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| 05:07.14 | jim | ( ^^ to indraveni ^^ ) |
| 05:07.37 | indraveni | jim, no |
| 05:07.43 | indraveni | jim, thats a different machine |
| 05:07.45 | jim | so it's a different machine? |
| 05:07.53 | draeath | any suggestions? |
| 05:07.58 | jim | ok, reboot it, don't run the reconfigure |
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| 05:08.08 | indraveni | jim, ok |
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| 05:09.36 | dgilmore | i have a quick question about running debian on a mips box |
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| 05:10.13 | jim | indraveni: is it booted? |
| 05:10.18 | indraveni | jim, booting |
| 05:10.41 | jim | ok, when you get to the prompt, log in as someone |
| 05:10.52 | indraveni | o |
| 05:10.53 | indraveni | ok |
| 05:11.00 | draeath | i think i can solve this... can anyone toss me the URL to the testing keyring .deb on the archive? |
| 05:11.10 | draeath | i can pull hte .gpg files out and put em where i need to manually |
| 05:11.40 | mbroeker | dgilmore, ati or nvidia? |
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| 05:13.00 | draeath | nevermind... the sid repo key works. |
| 05:13.36 | dgilmore | mbroeker: ati |
| 05:13.45 | jim | dgilmore: watch what I tell indraveni |
| 05:13.56 | dgilmore | jim: will do |
| 05:14.01 | jim | indraveni: you in? |
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| 05:14.24 | dgilmore | mbroeker: i get a simple traceback 0: /usr/bin/X11/X(xf86SigHandler+0xc4) [0x48fc00] |
| 05:14.40 | jim | now I won't necessarily be able to read the file... but if you make it, someone will |
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| 05:15.19 | RULON | hi jim :) |
| 05:15.39 | jim | hi RULON... what are you up to |
| 05:15.42 | mbroeker | ati is evil, dgilmore. Which howto do you follow? |
| 05:16.07 | jim | horseradish! |
| 05:16.11 | RULON | look jim do u know or someone here knows if i can install the konqueror browser to use it with Xfce? i mean just konqueror without the whole KDE package |
| 05:16.13 | dgilmore | mbroeker: its a radeon 7000 long well supported with OSS drivers |
| 05:16.36 | jim | RULON that would need the kde libs |
| 05:16.55 | mbroeker | without fglrx stuff? hm those boards/cards should work out of the box |
| 05:17.09 | RULON | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.17 | jim | indraveni: hello? |
| 05:17.31 | jim | RULON: no idea |
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| 05:17.48 | jim | RULON: does xfce run on X? |
| 05:17.52 | RULON | jim right, ure primitive, just console :D |
| 05:17.59 | indraveni | jim, booted |
| 05:18.03 | craigevil | RULON: yes but installing konq will pull-in a few kde libs |
| 05:18.06 | indraveni | jim, logging in. |
| 05:18.10 | indraveni | jim, its a bit slow |
| 05:18.14 | jim | ahh |
| 05:18.35 | RULON | craigevil ok thank u i wanted to know if it would work :) |
| 05:18.38 | mbroeker | dgilmore, try to remove >>Load "dri" << from xorg.conf |
| 05:18.46 | krinns | hi al |
| 05:18.46 | RULON | gonna try it then |
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| 05:19.14 | jim | so you're going to run this: X -verbose > x-log.txt |
| 05:19.18 | dgilmore | mbroeker: im guessing its a mips specific bug |
| 05:19.18 | krinns | i am tring to write an script which reads a particular file from all dirs in a folder and delete them |
| 05:19.21 | krinns | what i do |
| 05:19.22 | krinns | ? |
| 05:19.22 | jim | it should fire up an X |
| 05:19.34 | jim | just get out with ctrl alt backspace |
| 05:19.57 | Nyle | jim: how was the jamming |
| 05:20.17 | jim | I got to play on all of one tune... but it was Invitation |
| 05:20.35 | mbroeker | krinns, find -name delelte_me.txt -exec rm -f {} \; ? |
| 05:20.48 | dgilmore | mbroeker: it was working this morning i applied updates but changed apt to point at mirrors2.kernel.org rather than the hardware manufacturers slow mirror in china |
| 05:21.11 | krinns | thanks wait let me try |
| 05:21.35 | jim | indraveni: still with us? I forgot something on the X command line |
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| 05:21.52 | mbroeker | dgilmore, look into /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 05:22.16 | dgilmore | mbroeker: i also changed it from chinese to english |
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| 05:24.08 | Nyle | jim: http://jtech.hfds.com http://jtech.hfds.com/jtech2 |
| 05:24.09 | acxty | Well guys here I am with some more question ;) what I am trying to do is to change the default aplications. For example the default email application is evolution, I want it to be icedov, ephiphany-> iceweasel, etc... |
| 05:24.14 | Nyle | jim: which one do you like more? |
| 05:24.22 | mbroeker | dgilmore, try to reinstall xorg-* and the driver. |
| 05:24.37 | craigevil | acxty: man alternatives |
| 05:25.00 | dgilmore | mbroeker: i tried that but will do so again |
| 05:25.18 | acxty | thanks |
| 05:25.19 | jim | Nyle: probably the first one |
| 05:25.22 | lunaphyte | how can i retrieve a single file from a package? |
| 05:25.28 | jim | you? |
| 05:25.43 | mbroeker | !confmiss |
| 05:25.43 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 05:25.58 | jim | one thing that struck me about the second was it didn't fill the space as well |
| 05:26.05 | dgilmore | mbroeker: im guessing its a bug in the mips version of the xorg-server that they fixed in their tree and did not push back into debian |
| 05:26.36 | Nyle | jim: flexible layout |
| 05:26.46 | Nyle | jim: first is fixed by 800px, 2nd is auto |
| 05:26.59 | Nyle | jim: make the browser smaller ;) |
| 05:27.03 | jim | well I generally like auto better |
| 05:27.06 | mbroeker | i am not so familiar with mips: so i have no clue whether this is a supported repo or not... |
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| 05:27.29 | telexicon | How can I prevent users logging in through ssh from taking up all the ram? I tried setting rss to 1000 in /etc/security/limits.conf but it doesnt seem to stop a program from taking up 500MB of ram |
| 05:28.09 | telexicon | er 10000* |
| 05:28.22 | mbroeker | telexicon, your ram is always full its not a bug its a feature |
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| 05:28.41 | \amethyst | telexicon: how are you testing it? is the program's RSS going over 500MB, or just its VSZ? |
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| 05:28.47 | mbroeker | try free -m telexicon |
| 05:29.28 | telexicon | VIRT 1024m RES 510m |
| 05:29.35 | telexicon | for this one process |
| 05:29.57 | telexicon | and when it runs, other users get "-bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory" |
| 05:30.08 | \amethyst | telexicon: and that program was started under an ssh session? |
| 05:30.13 | telexicon | yes |
| 05:30.20 | dgilmore | mbroeker: this is my first mips machine, im much more familiar with sparc, ppc, x86_64, and i386. If fedora supported mips it would be on there. thanks for the tips |
| 05:30.26 | telexicon | its just a test app that eats up ram forever, i dont want users to be able to interfere with eachother |
| 05:30.33 | \amethyst | telexicon: what is the entry in /etc/security/limits.conf ? |
| 05:30.58 | telexicon | \amethyst, @sshusers hard rss 10000 |
| 05:31.19 | \amethyst | telexicon: and this user is a member of the 'sshusers' group? |
| 05:31.21 | mbroeker | telexicon, set as ( adress space) for the ssh group to 512000 |
| 05:31.38 | telexicon | \amethyst, yes they are |
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| 05:32.21 | mbroeker | every application, which reaches that limit, will be killed. |
| 05:32.33 | jim | Nyle: I see, so when the browser is smaller the box resizes and the text flows differently |
| 05:32.48 | \amethyst | telexicon: if you log in as that user, what does ulimit -m report? |
| 05:33.04 | telexicon | mbroeker, the app isnt getting killed |
| 05:33.13 | telexicon | now its just at VIRT : 499m RES: 249m |
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| 05:33.33 | telexicon | i guess that helps a little, now i can still run apps when somebody does that |
| 05:33.43 | telexicon | \amethyst, 10000 |
| 05:34.06 | iateadonut | what program for watching mpg's is ready to go right after install? |
| 05:34.19 | dgilmore | mbroeker: i found that the hardware maker is indeed patching xorg beyond what debian releases |
| 05:35.14 | \amethyst | telexicon: could you pastebin /proc/NNNN/maps ? I'm curious where the memory is being used if RSS is limited |
| 05:35.25 | mbroeker | iateadonut, mplayer ( not in main ), codeine for kde... |
| 05:35.31 | \amethyst | telexicon: (where NNNN is the PID of the process that's causing problems) |
| 05:35.45 | michal_ | as far as i can tell it's impossible to build modules_image with make-kpkg as it always gives the same error with a mismatching UTS_VERSION |
| 05:35.51 | \amethyst | telexicon: does this program allocate memory with malloc ? |
| 05:36.11 | telexicon | \amethyst, yes |
| 05:36.12 | iateadonut | mplayer doesn't seem to work, that's why i asked. i'll try codeine. thanks. |
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| 05:36.52 | jim | iateadonut: what do you mean by "doesn't work"? |
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| 05:37.14 | telexicon | \amethyst, http://rafb.net/p/LWRpIc57.html |
| 05:37.14 | draeath | Wow... sid is FAST! |
| 05:37.20 | jim | why? |
| 05:37.33 | michal_ | without modules_image kernel_image is useless :( |
| 05:37.33 | jim | I'm guessing the kernel is fast |
| 05:37.38 | draeath | yea |
| 05:37.38 | iateadonut | video i/o problem. |
| 05:37.41 | draeath | im just sitting in the console |
| 05:37.43 | telexicon | \amethyst, i can pastebin my /etc/security/limits.conf output of ulimit -a and the source code for the app that eats up ram if you'd like |
| 05:38.11 | mbroeker | iateadonut, totem for gnome is good too |
| 05:38.20 | jim | michal_: so you have some stuff in /usr/src/modules? |
| 05:38.46 | draeath | ahah! the kernel is tickless.... that is probably it |
| 05:39.02 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: any ideas? google hasn't been helpful.. finds others with similar problems and solutions that i've already tried but don't change anything or make things even worse |
| 05:39.25 | michal_ | jim: well i've downloaded the debian packages of the kernel source and the debia patches |
| 05:39.46 | jim | do you have the question? :) |
| 05:40.09 | michal_ | jim: i've extracted the source and then to build using make-kpkg like so.. |
| 05:40.30 | michal_ | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --append-to-version -686-xen-pwd --revision $(date +%Y%m%d) --added-patches debian clean |
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| 05:40.53 | Kikkoman | This 4.0r3 |
| 05:40.54 | michal_ | and then make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --append-to-version -686-xen-pwd --revision $(date +%Y%m%d) --added-patches debian --added-modules kernel_image modules_image |
| 05:40.56 | Kikkoman | This is just etch, no? |
| 05:41.26 | michal_ | it builds the kernel image fine.. but whenever and however i try to build modules_image i get this |
| 05:41.55 | michal_ | The contained UTS_VERSION string: "" does not match expectations: "2.6.18-686-xen-pwd" |
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| 05:42.53 | jim | michal_: let it build a new debian dir, that's one way |
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| 05:43.43 | michal_ | jim: how will that help? won't it insist on rebuilding the kernel_image first? i don't even know how i would do it without hosing everything |
| 05:44.19 | jim | try just building the modules_image after moving the debian dir out of the way |
| 05:44.25 | jim | or just deleting it |
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| 05:44.55 | michal_ | if i do that then make-kpkg won't work at all |
| 05:45.01 | jim | (yes I know that's not the way the maints do it, I forgot what they do) |
| 05:45.04 | michal_ | it relies on the debian dir doesn't it? |
| 05:45.07 | jim | are you sure? |
| 05:45.13 | michal_ | well i can move it and find out |
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| 05:45.37 | jim | no, make-kpkg will build up a debian dir (so you can use make-kpkg on non-debian kernel source) |
| 05:46.24 | iateadonut | after i installed codeine, this came up: /home/me# kbuildsycoca running... |
| 05:46.29 | michal_ | if i move it i get the exact same error when i run make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --append-to-version -686-xen-pwd --revision $(date +%Y%m%d) --added-patches debian --added-modules modules_image |
| 05:46.30 | iateadonut | and i can't ctrl-z it away. |
| 05:47.06 | iateadonut | duh... |
| 05:47.10 | iateadonut | please disregard |
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| 05:49.37 | deadcat | this dont look good: hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 |
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| 05:50.30 | michal_ | jim: any other ideas? i completely stumped. |
| 05:50.44 | jim | try getting rid of "debian" |
| 05:50.55 | jim | one sec |
| 05:50.58 | michal_ | like i said. i already tried that |
| 05:51.21 | telexicon | \amethyst, any ideas? |
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| 05:52.11 | harpal | deadcat: your harddisk connection may lose so its giving that error or some sector of your harddisk get currupted than you get that error |
| 05:52.40 | michal_ | could /usr/include/linux/version.h be causing my trouble? |
| 05:52.58 | jim | michal_: could be. here, try this: |
| 05:53.34 | harpal | michal_: whats problem u are facing? |
| 05:53.39 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:53.46 | deadcat | harpal: does it matter if its a cobalt cube? or i should just check the cable? |
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| 05:53.48 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.16 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.21 | jim | try again |
| 05:54.22 | michal_ | jim: i've actually made my .config read only because if i didn't it got nuked by make-kpkg |
| 05:54.36 | michal_ | i couldn't find a way around that either |
| 05:54.51 | michal_ | mrproper wont mess with whatever make-kpkg uses? |
| 05:54.53 | jim | as suggested. |
| 05:55.08 | jim | mrproper blows a lot of stuff away, including |
| 05:55.12 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.18 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.04 | michal_ | wtf? my version.h within the build directory doesn't have the UTS version :/ |
| 05:56.12 | michal_ | it's supposed to isn't it? |
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| 05:56.31 | harpal | deadcat: You just check the cable and put it out and than plug it again and than check, if still have same problem than try to change cable, still have same than try to change power cable, still problem than its harddisk got currupted |
| 05:56.33 | michal_ | it's completely missing that line |
| 05:56.38 | jim | no idea how that stuff works, I just know what works for me... |
| 05:57.00 | deadcat | harpal: thanks... |
| 05:57.10 | michal_ | i should be able to make mrproper without worying about .config.. it's not writable |
| 05:57.29 | jim | and offered to you as something you can try if you want |
| 05:57.39 | michal_ | this is baffling |
| 05:57.44 | mbroeker | mv .config /tmp && make mrproper && mv /tmp/.config . ? |
| 05:57.48 | michal_ | how did it move the read only file? :/ |
| 05:57.50 | jim | your milage may vary. widely. |
| 05:58.00 | michal_ | it was owned by root and write only by root |
| 05:58.10 | michal_ | yet make mrproper moved it as a standard user |
| 05:58.45 | jim | maybe the dir was writable by standard user |
| 05:59.15 | michal_ | even if the dir is.. the file shouldn't be if it's owned by a different user and the permissions are read only.. or am i wrong? |
| 05:59.23 | michal_ | next time i'll make it immutable :/ |
| 05:59.35 | jim | why do that? just back it up |
| 06:00.00 | RULON | i need a good p2p program wich one or wich ones u guys recommend |
| 06:00.08 | michal_ | because of the 20 times i've had to copy it back today i've forgotten a few times and wasted a lot of time as a result :P |
| 06:00.08 | jim | but whatever... actually do what works for you (that's what I do) |
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| 06:00.52 | michal_ | is my make-kpkg command at least right? i'd feel better if someone confirmed it |
| 06:00.57 | mbroeker | michael__, frostwire is nice ( a memory sucking java application, but robust, fast and very useable ) |
| 06:01.25 | RULON | mbroeker i think thats with me right? |
| 06:01.36 | michal_ | now i get this: The modules_* targets should be called from a fully configured source tree, |
| 06:01.36 | michal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.55 | mbroeker | RULON, yes you are the target of my comment. sorry michael__ |
| 06:02.09 | michal_ | and make-kpkg debian doesn't make it work any better |
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| 06:02.29 | RULON | mbroeker coul u recommend me another one, just to try and judge for myself XD? |
| 06:02.30 | enouf | michal_: just cp .config .config.my.original |
| 06:02.36 | michal_ | thought i get a different error after it |
| 06:02.45 | RULON | mbroeker a very lite one would be cool :) |
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| 06:03.08 | enouf | then make oldconfig, then make-kpkg |
| 06:03.12 | michal_ | I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value 20080304. However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value 2.6.18-10.00.Custom. I am confused by this discrepancy, and am halting. |
| 06:03.21 | michal_ | good to know i'm not the only one confused |
| 06:03.23 | enouf | erm make menuconfig to make changes in between |
| 06:03.53 | michal_ | jim: i did what works for you and it didn't work for me. what am i supposed to do about that? i can't help if it doesn't work here |
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| 06:04.24 | jim | there must be some way you're applying something to it that changes what happens |
| 06:04.35 | jim | and I can |
| 06:04.40 | jim | not help htat |
| 06:04.46 | michal_ | well you saw my make-kpkg ine.. maybe it's that |
| 06:04.54 | jim | maybe |
| 06:04.57 | enouf | jbasse: i hate the ' is so near Enter key :-P |
| 06:05.01 | enouf | erm jim |
| 06:05.08 | jim | heh |
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| 06:05.29 | jim | well I could use one of those pliars that they used on three stooges |
| 06:05.34 | enouf | got fakeroot installed? |
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| 06:05.47 | michal_ | enouf: i can make oldconfig just by itself without make-kpkg and still have it work? |
| 06:05.47 | jim | rakefoot! |
| 06:05.52 | michal_ | enouf: yes |
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| 06:06.20 | enouf | have it work ? |
| 06:06.36 | michal_ | ie. not fall over in a heap or not build the deb packages |
| 06:06.45 | enouf | make oldconfig does what it's supposed to do |
| 06:07.04 | michal_ | enouf: does that include building the debian packages? |
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| 06:07.41 | michal_ | i thought it was part of the kernel |
| 06:07.43 | enouf | i.e.; display only newer options found in the kernel and ask you about what you want to do |
| 06:07.49 | michal_ | and didn't have anything to do with make-kpkg |
| 06:07.59 | enouf | nothing to do with make-kpkg |
| 06:08.05 | enouf | atleast not the way i use it |
| 06:08.13 | michal_ | enouf: my .config is from this version. it has all questions answered |
| 06:08.33 | enouf | so why are you bringing up that aspect? |
| 06:08.36 | jim | michal_: you have a tendency to not surrender to the method... you -could- back up the kernel source the way you have it now, or even back up .. too, and follow people's suggestions exactly... over the years, that's been your pattern |
| 06:08.51 | michal_ | enouf: i didn't. you suggested it so i queried to find out if it was relevant |
| 06:09.05 | enouf | michal_: i suggested steps, you chose to focus on one |
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| 06:10.07 | michal_ | jim: i deleted the entire source directory, re-extracted and rebuilt 5 times already.. it's taken up almost my entire day. there's only so many times i can do that with the exact same result before i begin to question whether doing the exact same thing over again may not give me the same result |
| 06:10.16 | jim | you're no slouch, you must realize the stuff does generally work... if it's not working for you, there -could- be a reason why |
| 06:10.22 | enouf | michal_: you tried the kp mantra? |
| 06:10.54 | enouf | michal_: i came late, so perhpas i missed most of what your specific issue is |
| 06:11.09 | enouf | i'm just throwing out generic info .. basically |
| 06:11.45 | michal_ | well i'll outline my basic steps. i'll start with the goal.. a xen dom0 kernel package using the current debian etch kernel source package and debian patches |
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| 06:12.11 | michal_ | so i install those 2 packages and i extract the source to my home directory |
| 06:12.13 | jim | michal_: out of curiousity, why not use the packaged xen kernel? |
| 06:12.20 | enouf | yeah |
| 06:12.42 | michal_ | i then run make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --append-to-version -686-xen-pwd --revision $(date +%Y%m%d) --added-patches debian clean .. or at least that's the latest revision of the command i'm running |
| 06:13.05 | enouf | if you have the "debian etch sources" that has debian patches already applied, iinm |
| 06:13.39 | michal_ | jim: because it is missing CONFIG_XEN_BLKDEV_TAP |
| 06:13.41 | enouf | even linux-tree-xxx does, iirc - i'd have to look |
| 06:14.01 | jim | oh ok |
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| 06:14.38 | enouf | where's your make-kpkg clean? |
| 06:14.53 | enouf | er |
| 06:15.04 | enouf | what patches are you applying? |
| 06:15.16 | michal_ | just debian |
| 06:15.19 | enouf | !kp mantra |
| 06:15.19 | dpkg | from memory, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 06:18.56 | enouf | there's 3 separate commands there, but whatever - i generally start with vanilla sources and patch that if i need extravagant things, then make-kpkg, so not sure what your issue is, but kernel building isn't something that doesn't always go well ;-) All i saw was you saying something about making your .config read only - so excuse me (you too jim) if i butted in unexpectedly |
| 06:19.52 | enouf | as i said though, debian source already has patches applied if you got them from official ;-) |
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| 06:20.13 | michal_ | i'll try that in just a sec.. verbatim.. jut on a call now |
| 06:20.42 | jim | enouf: no problem... if you would like to give it a shot, go ahead... it does look like he's listening now, but he's busy atm |
| 06:21.15 | enouf | well, after patching, i do make oldconfig, then make menuconfig (make my changes), then the make-kpkg dealio (generally) |
| 06:21.27 | enouf | jim: heh ;-) |
| 06:22.14 | jim | michal_: just so you know, a lot of this stuff is magic to me as well... I happen to do it in a particular way and it makes sense to me moreorless. but I know it's not what the maints do; they want to carefully maintain the changelog and they have tools for that |
| 06:22.29 | jim | for us it's not necessary unless we want to |
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| 06:22.54 | RULON | i understand that debian use firefox as iceweasel for some license or rights or whatever it is the problem, but does that mean i cant install firefox on debian? i mean, uninstall that iceweasel that i hate the logo and install normal firefox... can i? :) |
| 06:23.06 | enouf | if my last config is so far out of date, i generaly do a "make defconfig" 1st (prior to menuconfig) , but then i need to go in and look at everything in menuconfig - takes time |
| 06:23.33 | jim | RULON: no, it doesn't. but: you would have to build firefox yourself or somehow get it from some other source |
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| 06:24.08 | enouf | jim: same here - it's a bit of black magic to me too - i know not of the actual kernel maintainers ways .. ;-) |
| 06:24.13 | harpal | michal_: you can just remove source. Than untar source. apply your patch, than do make menuconfig and configure it and run command make-kpkg clean &&fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom --revision=686 kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 06:24.17 | enouf | jim: they be too advanced for me :-) |
| 06:24.50 | RULON | jim u mean from another repository then? |
| 06:25.04 | jim | or get the source and compile it yourself, yes. |
| 06:25.22 | michal_ | i wish they just added that option to the kernel so that i didn't need to build the damn thing :/ it's easier to use the provided kernel if possible |
| 06:25.23 | jim | where the heck is my metronome |
| 06:25.28 | RULON | i dont know compiling hehe |
| 06:25.38 | RULON | !compile |
| 06:25.38 | dpkg | tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg |
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| 06:26.52 | jim | RULON: one way to find out is to learn C |
| 06:27.21 | RULON | u mean C programming? |
| 06:27.36 | harpal | michal_: This is simple process, and its working fine, but if you add that --append-patches than you may have problem |
| 06:28.06 | enouf | jim: cool, my echo acoustic:254 > /proc/ide/hdc/settings seems to have really quieted down my loud and clanky old 8.4GB HDD while running it's cron.daily ;-) |
| 06:28.10 | michal_ | harpal: well the debian patches are what I need for xen :/ |
| 06:28.35 | michal_ | i SWEAR i used to use make=-kpkg with no problems back when it was at version 7.00 or so :/ |
| 06:28.47 | harpal | michal_: thay you apply that before make menuconfig, not use that with make kpkg that I mean |
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| 06:29.50 | michal_ | harpal: heh. i'll try it but i can already forsee tht if i need to come back here with a problem and i say i did it that way someone will rip into me for doing it the wrong way.. i keep bouncing back and forth between people with different ideologies |
| 06:31.08 | stiv2k | what the heck is "extra timer interrupt" in powerTOP? It's causing 80% of my wakeups per second |
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| 06:34.31 | enouf | well, the reason i grab vanilla too for patching is i only know how to patch the base kernels (.23 , .24 , etc, not the revisions 23.x, .24.x) heck i don't even know what to call them, major/minor, etc |
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| 06:36.19 | RULON | hey i dont understand something, dpkg is like kpackage right? but dpkg doesnt have an gui interfacE? |
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| 06:36.57 | enouf | huh? |
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| 06:37.09 | enouf | !dpkg |
| 06:37.09 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>, or me. |
| 06:37.10 | mbroeker | RULON, in fact kpackage is a front-end to dpkg, yum emerge ... |
| 06:38.11 | mbroeker | most kde applications are front ends to good other stuff |
| 06:38.13 | RULON | enouf u always !something !othetthing !this !that... but never answer anything... i asked as simple as it is... does it have a gui interface? |
| 06:38.24 | RULON | mbroeker i see |
| 06:38.35 | wols | RULON: NO |
| 06:38.47 | RULON | ok thats all i needed to ask |
| 06:38.51 | wols | RULON: and those factoids are minimizing the time wasted on some of your questions |
| 06:38.55 | enouf | i never heard of kpackage - what mutant offspring crap is that? |
| 06:38.55 | wols | RULON: but you didn't ask it |
| 06:39.06 | RULON | didnt i? |
| 06:39.10 | wols | enouf: winzip for kde |
| 06:39.14 | wols | RULON: no you did not |
| 06:39.15 | enouf | omg |
| 06:39.20 | RULON | wols : <RULON> hey i dont understand something, dpkg is like kpackage right? but dpkg doesnt have an gui interfacE? |
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| 06:39.40 | enouf | see my above comment - hence the huh you b0z0 |
| 06:40.36 | enouf | RULON: and you don't know me well enough to make a sweeping generalization like that - so shut it - or /ig me |
| 06:41.12 | stiv2k | what the heck is "extra timer interrupt" in powerTOP? It's causing 80% of my wakeups per second |
| 06:41.34 | stiv2k | i wonder if it's b43 |
| 06:41.40 | enouf | stiv2k: instead of repeating - give more info |
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| 06:42.11 | RULON | enouf did i judged u? tell me where? i just made an observation... isnt just more simple sometimes if i ask something like "can u handle frostwire with console?" to answering me "YES U CAN or NO U CANT" instead of doing !frostwire? |
| 06:42.14 | RULON | :D |
| 06:42.14 | stiv2k | enouf: good idea |
| 06:42.17 | enouf | like background info and such |
| 06:42.27 | stiv2k | well right now i have 1245 wakeups per second |
| 06:42.30 | stiv2k | seems a bit high |
| 06:42.39 | stiv2k | 1000 from "extra timer interrupt" |
| 06:42.43 | enouf | RULON: many times, there's exceptions to most rules |
| 06:42.54 | enouf | so many times a simple yes, or no doesn't apply |
| 06:43.11 | RULON | this time did apply :) |
| 06:43.55 | RULON | but lets not argue about this :) i dont want any trouble with one of the guy that helps me most hehe, |
| 06:44.01 | RULON | (i think) ^^ |
| 06:44.24 | enouf | <RULON> "enouf u always ..." <--sounds like a sweeping judgemental generalization to me, but as i said, /ig me - and i will you |
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| 06:45.05 | stiv2k | any way to determine what this "extra timer interrupt is" ? |
| 06:45.23 | RULON | enouf ok nvm keep helping ppl :D |
| 06:45.24 | enouf | stiv2k: you using your own kernel? |
| 06:45.26 | sussudio | stiv2k: is it a realtek nic? |
| 06:45.32 | stiv2k | enouf: no |
| 06:45.38 | stiv2k | sussudio: no |
| 06:45.43 | stiv2k | it's b43 |
| 06:45.44 | enouf | shall i start guessing which one? |
| 06:45.54 | stiv2k | but b43 is listed there, only causing 1.3% interrupts |
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| 06:46.15 | Nyle | hi |
| 06:46.26 | enouf | RULON: see how a "no" is half an answer ? ;-) |
| 06:46.39 | enouf | Nyle: yo yo ma |
| 06:46.41 | RULON | Nyle hello |
| 06:46.42 | stiv2k | enouf: 2.6.23.15 |
| 06:46.47 | Nyle | yo yo ma indeed |
| 06:46.51 | enouf | Nyle: how's the Dalnet Spam Filter? |
| 06:47.00 | Nyle | enouf: fanfrigginfastic |
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| 06:47.10 | enouf | stiv2k: ok, so sid ;-) happy trails to you ;-) |
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| 06:47.32 | enouf | erm, .. my bad, .. nm |
| 06:47.37 | stiv2k | rofl |
| 06:47.44 | enouf | Nyle: fantabulous lovey! |
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| 06:47.49 | stiv2k | ill pretend you didn't say that |
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| 06:49.03 | enouf | stiv2k: any VM? any exotic kernel params? |
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| 06:49.14 | stiv2k | not that i'm aware of |
| 06:49.20 | enouf | stiv2k: what;s your acpi and cpufreqd settings |
| 06:49.31 | enouf | stiv2k: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 06:49.36 | stiv2k | enouf: any way to determine? |
| 06:49.37 | stiv2k | oh |
| 06:49.42 | grendal_prime | you know i like the python language..but i swear ive never met a bigger bunch of assholes in the python chat channels |
| 06:49.50 | enouf | stiv2k: well, is it a laptop? |
| 06:49.53 | stiv2k | yes |
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| 06:50.18 | grendal_prime | i think i got banned from a second python irc channel.. |
| 06:50.23 | enouf | stiv2k: and you're using which debian release? |
| 06:50.31 | grendal_prime | oh well |
| 06:50.39 | grendal_prime | they didnt help anyway |
| 06:50.54 | krinns | hey guys i ma configuring postfix to relay all emails to my mail server how i check it from command line to send email and check |
| 06:50.55 | krinns | ? |
| 06:50.57 | krinns | any ide |
| 06:50.57 | wols | grendal_prime: how is this debian related? |
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| 06:50.59 | krinns | ide |
| 06:51.06 | grendal_prime | i like this channel |
| 06:51.09 | grendal_prime | its good.. |
| 06:51.11 | grendal_prime | like dude |
| 06:51.13 | grendal_prime | if i say... |
| 06:51.16 | wols | !enter |
| 06:51.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 06:51.34 | RULON | rofl |
| 06:51.43 | grendal_prime | damn it...how to i keep my mounted smb mounts connected on a flaky network? |
| 06:51.50 | wols | krinns: man mail |
| 06:52.12 | enouf | stiv2k: grep HZ_1000 /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 06:52.15 | krinns | hey do i define sender address in mail |
| 06:52.22 | grendal_prime | wols: see someone will go..."damn it i hate that..ya i had that happen for a few times then i ..." |
| 06:52.39 | enouf | wols: we still ship with 250 as default right? |
| 06:53.09 | wols | enouf: afaik yes. lots of CS weenies recompiling the kernel due to that |
| 06:53.23 | wols | !tell grendal_prime ot |
| 06:53.23 | krinns | mail generate email from root@q1111 which my mail server rejects i need to define from : address is of my domain |
| 06:53.31 | enouf | grendal_prime: there might be some python help over in ##linux-coders , note i said mght |
| 06:53.37 | wols | !tell krinns about hostname |
| 06:53.47 | wols | krinns: or fqnd possibly |
| 06:53.48 | enouf | wols: right, thought so |
| 06:54.23 | grendal_prime | but on the python channels..if you say..."damn it..how do i run a system function and capture the results back into a varriable?" |
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| 06:54.50 | krinns | wols what u mean? |
| 06:54.50 | grendal_prime | you get basically no help and a shitload of "you dont know how to read moron!" |
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| 06:55.41 | enouf | krinns: s/fqnd/fqdn |
| 06:55.50 | grendal_prime | i dont understand why the have the channel other than to make themselfs fell high on life cause the can do shit noone else can..the like watching people flail around with simple shit |
| 06:56.04 | testerrr | hi anyone here ever use apache on debian ? |
| 06:56.05 | enouf | !anybody |
| 06:56.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 06:56.21 | grendal_prime | see watch |
| 06:56.25 | grendal_prime | sure testerrr |
| 06:56.27 | wols | grendal_prime: stop your bullshit. NOW |
| 06:56.34 | grendal_prime | what do you need help with? |
| 06:56.35 | wols | grendal_prime: do you have a debian related question? |
| 06:56.43 | grendal_prime | nope im helping testerrr |
| 06:56.47 | enouf | grendal_prime: you're whining, please stop - i offered atleast one alternative ;-) |
| 06:56.49 | grendal_prime | seriously |
| 06:56.51 | krinns | enouf i have set my fqdn f |
| 06:57.01 | sussudio | !fist grendal_prime |
| 06:57.05 | enouf | krinns: i was just clarifying a typo |
| 06:57.10 | grendal_prime | thank you enouf |
| 06:57.11 | testerrr | because for some reason i cant get mod_rewrite to work and with debians wierd funky config scheme for apache im wondering what i am doing wrong |
| 06:57.19 | enouf | grendal_prime: np |
| 06:57.30 | krinns | what to do |
| 06:57.33 | krinns | plz tel |
| 06:57.37 | grendal_prime | mod_rewrite? |
| 06:57.38 | wols | is there even a mod_rewrite for apach1? |
| 06:57.40 | enouf | krinns: i don't know |
| 06:57.50 | testerrr | i am talking about apache2 |
| 06:57.51 | krinns | its bouncing my emails |
| 06:58.09 | grendal_prime | like you want to have everyone who...hits the http server that they need to hit the https server? |
| 06:58.26 | enouf | krinns: i wish i had the tolerance for email, since i'd love to subscribe to lists to get updates and see changelogs and such without having to seek them uot |
| 06:58.35 | grendal_prime | so it just rewrites it to https? |
| 06:58.40 | enouf | but even saying "email" gives me hives |
| 06:58.51 | grendal_prime | enouf: I HATE EMAIL |
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| 06:59.04 | grendal_prime | and yet they make me read it every damn day |
| 06:59.09 | grendal_prime | shitloads of it to |
| 06:59.40 | wols | krinns: what is mynetworks set to? |
| 06:59.43 | grendal_prime | testerrr: ???? |
| 07:00.16 | grendal_prime | is that what you want to do? |
| 07:00.16 | testerrr | yes? |
| 07:00.16 | testerrr | no |
| 07:00.16 | wols | testerrr: man a2enmod |
| 07:00.17 | grendal_prime | crap..see i had the answer for that |
| 07:00.19 | wols | grendal_prime: for questions what mod_rewrite is: #apache |
| 07:00.36 | krinns | mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/23 |
| 07:00.39 | grendal_prime | wols i use it all the time |
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| 07:00.49 | grendal_prime | it rewrites stuff...and things |
| 07:00.53 | testerrr | i load the module its all loaded correctly but i am messing up on the config or something hmmm really starting to annoy me |
| 07:01.06 | wols | krinns: then you should be allowed to send no matter the domain name in your mails |
| 07:01.07 | grendal_prime | ok i have a sample for that |
| 07:01.10 | grendal_prime | hold on |
| 07:01.32 | wols | krinns: what does the log say? |
| 07:01.43 | wols | and use a pastebin |
| 07:01.44 | krinns | wait |
| 07:01.47 | krinns | ok |
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| 07:02.05 | swombat_ | hmmm... there's a "find" being run on my box by "nobody"... it's using a steady 10% of cpu and driving up the load... how can I figure out where this find comes from? |
| 07:02.31 | wols | swombat: daily updatedb's database update |
| 07:02.40 | wols | most likely at least |
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| 07:02.52 | swombat | wols: would that be in a cron job somewhere? |
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| 07:02.58 | grendal_prime | testerrr: |
| 07:03.00 | grendal_prime | hey |
| 07:03.03 | grendal_prime | you there? |
| 07:03.04 | wols | yes it'S a cronjob and it's good |
| 07:03.08 | wols | !tell grendal_prime about enter |
| 07:03.20 | swombat | i'm not saying it's bad - i just wanna move it back a few hours |
| 07:03.38 | wols | cron.daily usually |
| 07:03.43 | swombat | cheers :-) |
| 07:03.46 | grendal_prime | here is example ....oooooooooooo...im sorry wols ill use the .... will that work? |
| 07:04.07 | wols | !moron grendal_prime |
| 07:04.07 | dpkg | grendal_prime: You are moron #86 |
| 07:04.18 | grendal_prime | testerrr: here is a sample. |
| 07:04.20 | grendal_prime | what? |
| 07:04.26 | mbroeker | testerrr, try something like that in your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default: http://rafb.net/p/2e28mF77.html |
| 07:04.29 | krinns | here my postfix logs http://pastebin.com/m1cd105c0 |
| 07:04.53 | swombat | wols: thanks for the tip. I've moved all those regularl crons from 6am to 2am now |
| 07:04.58 | grendal_prime | im trying to help testerrr but i cant even get to him...i have a sample for him and everything..ill post it to him directly.. |
| 07:05.13 | testerrr | listen ;) |
| 07:05.18 | grendal_prime | dude im seriuosly not trying to....man never mind. |
| 07:05.27 | wols | krinns: fix your fqdn and hostname |
| 07:05.37 | testerrr | im not an idiot who doesnt know what mod_rewrite is i have been using it for years i am just having a wierd situation where i cant configure it correctly |
| 07:05.53 | krinns | i have when i do hostname |
| 07:05.58 | wols | testerrr: you aren't an idiot, grendal_prime is as yous hould have seen by now. or he's drunk |
| 07:06.01 | krinns | its shows me |
| 07:06.09 | mbroeker | testerrr, uhh, i broke my example: it redirects from http to https only if the last part starts with https :) sorry, my typo... |
| 07:06.16 | wols | testerrr: since you don't tell us the problem we cannot help you |
| 07:06.19 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 07:06.23 | krinns | root:/root> hostname |
| 07:06.23 | krinns | KHI103DRSS001.mydomain |
| 07:06.26 | grendal_prime | i sent him the info |
| 07:06.37 | testerrr | wols: a bad configuration i guess |
| 07:06.44 | wols | krinns: mydomain is not a valid domainname |
| 07:06.52 | testerrr | what is this redirect from http to https ? |
| 07:07.03 | wols | testerrr: tried #apache? and gave them useful info for a change? |
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| 07:07.08 | testerrr | i think you got me mistaken with someone else |
| 07:07.09 | enouf | testerrr: saying "i messed up the config" over and over is just about useless |
| 07:07.13 | krinns | sorry but i have set n am pasting in log as mydomain |
| 07:07.19 | testerrr | wols: they pass it off as a debian config problem |
| 07:07.29 | mbroeker | yes: try it: http://largo.homelinux.org/blog/ |
| 07:07.41 | wols | testerrr: either you tell us what is wrong or you shut up. right now you are only noise like grendal_prime |
| 07:07.44 | enouf | testerrr: learn how to ask better questions and give info |
| 07:07.45 | krinns | can i set my fqdn in a file so that my machine on reboot gets correct hostname |
| 07:07.47 | testerrr | let me overlook my config again |
| 07:07.50 | NetEcho | Has anyone encountered an issue with SSHD where it pauses for about a minute between entering the username and password? |
| 07:07.51 | mbroeker | you click an http link and you will be redirected to https |
| 07:08.01 | NetEcho | like you enter the username then wait 60 seconds for a password prompt |
| 07:08.11 | wols | NetEcho: reverse DNS lookup not working right possibly |
| 07:08.19 | NetEcho | wols its direct IP |
| 07:08.26 | NetEcho | internal at that |
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| 07:08.31 | wols | NetEcho: that is irrelevant |
| 07:08.40 | grendal_prime | testerrr: i sent that directly to you did you get it? |
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| 07:08.48 | NetEcho | whats a reverse dns gotta do with sshd then? |
| 07:09.05 | wols | sshd does a reverse DNS which it waits to timeout |
| 07:09.16 | NetEcho | on what? |
| 07:09.20 | NetEcho | the connecting host? |
| 07:09.23 | wols | on the connecting IP |
| 07:09.29 | NetEcho | is there any way to disable it? |
| 07:09.35 | wols | sure: edit your sshd |
| 07:09.42 | wols | its config file rather |
| 07:09.47 | NetEcho | let me pull it up |
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| 07:10.22 | enouf | wols: anything to do with nslookup ? |
| 07:10.45 | enouf | or nsswitch.conf? |
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| 07:10.56 | NetEcho | wols any idea what conf option it is? |
| 07:11.02 | enouf | at |
| 07:11.25 | mbroeker | damn: nobody likes my certificate: i need to pay 15 € for a known certificate i think :( |
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| 07:11.53 | lindenle | !ipw4965 |
| 07:11.53 | dpkg | hmm... iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree> |
| 07:12.36 | NetEcho | wait wols would it work if I add the internal ip to /etc/hosts? |
| 07:12.39 | krinns | wols? |
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| 07:14.48 | NetEcho | hrm seems to have worked |
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| 07:17.52 | alanhaggai_ | Hi. I am trying to install Aurora. It says: `configure: error: GTK+-2.10 is required to compile aurora' even after I have installed libgtk2.0-dev. What is the problem? |
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| 07:18.13 | wols | alanhaggai_: gtk2.0 != gtk2.1 |
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| 07:18.55 | alanhaggai_ | wols, Oh! Did not notice that. I am not able to find any libgtk2.1-dev in the repositories. |
| 07:19.11 | tralala | alanhaggai_, /msg dpkg backports |
| 07:19.27 | alanhaggai_ | tralala, okay. |
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| 07:26.43 | RULON | whats the difference in the grub to pick "Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-6-686" and thse same but "(single-user-mode)" |
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| 07:27.16 | mbroeker | the last one adds init=/bin/sh or something to your kernel line. |
| 07:27.35 | RULON | mbroeker and that means? :) |
| 07:27.54 | wols | !tell RULON about grounding |
| 07:27.59 | wols | !tell RULON about runlevels |
| 07:28.25 | RULON | i think dpkg is becoming my best friend |
| 07:28.38 | tralala | mbroeker, it doesn't |
| 07:28.52 | mbroeker | tralala, what does it add? |
| 07:28.57 | tralala | "single" |
| 07:29.02 | wols | mbroeker: why don#t you look yourself? |
| 07:29.18 | mbroeker | i have deleted that line |
| 07:29.51 | tralala | mbroeker, that's useless at best |
| 07:29.59 | tralala | (deleting the line) |
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| 07:30.49 | mbroeker | the reason is simple: i have a background picture and it looks better without much stuff on it. |
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| 07:31.23 | tralala | okay, you're excused ;) |
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| 07:35.23 | enouf | not really |
| 07:36.00 | enouf | init 1 (or single) is not anything like only a init=/bin/sh |
| 07:36.18 | Supaplex | !single |
| 07:36.18 | dpkg | single is probably <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care) |
| 07:36.44 | enouf | single runs all scripts in /etc/rcS.d/ iinm |
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| 07:39.03 | Supaplex | yup. should. |
| 07:39.05 | Supaplex | ls: /proc/kcore: Value too large for defined data type |
| 07:39.22 | Supaplex | haha. good ole' potato can't wrap its head around a 4gb kcore :) |
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| 07:42.28 | enouf | Supaplex: you're funny :-p |
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| 07:44.30 | lymeca | I just added an iptables rule: iptables -A INPUT -p TCP --dport 411 -i eth0 -s 172.30.136.0/21 -j ACCEPT |
| 07:44.45 | lymeca | Do I have to do anything to apply the change? |
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| 07:48.27 | heatman | Hi. Can anyone tell me if there is an application that can distort sounds/voice? |
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| 07:49.58 | mbroeker | heatman, audacity can perfom basic transformations... give it a shot. |
| 07:50.15 | heatman | ok tyvm |
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| 07:54.03 | testerrr | hi is anyone there? |
| 07:54.08 | xlotlu | is there any vnc server that supports xrandr? |
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| 07:55.41 | lispy | I have multiple sound devices, but only one of them has speakers. How can I tell alsa that all programs should be using that device? |
| 07:55.45 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:57.46 | DawnLight | !tell testerrr about ask |
| 07:58.08 | testerrr | i finnaly see how debian does their whole apache 2 config now |
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| 07:58.41 | mbroeker | lispy, i have bought a connector cable. it connects the front-out of the second soundcard with the line-in of the first card. works fine... |
| 07:58.53 | DawnLight | lispy: rtfm :) |
| 07:58.57 | xlotlu | lispy: create an ~/.asoundrc file saying defaults.ctl.card 0 defaults.pcm.card 0 |
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| 07:59.20 | lispy | xlotlu: hmm...okay, thanks |
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| 07:59.53 | lispy | do some people just wait for a chance to say RTFM without providing help or pointing people to the FM? |
| 08:00.04 | xlotlu | lispy: though you might need more things.. here's everything: http://dpaste.com/37884/ |
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| 08:01.45 | k1111u | can i add windows fonts like times new roman and arial to linux? |
| 08:01.52 | nevyn | k1111u: yes |
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| 08:02.08 | k1111u | nevyn could u tell me how? |
| 08:02.19 | basketball5 | ##Linux (with ##) needs some good company and good channel operators. More flexible, more friendly. |
| 08:02.21 | basketball5 | ##Linux (with ##) needs some good company and good channel operators. More flexible, more friendly. |
| 08:02.31 | basketball5 | ##Linux (with ##) needs some good company and good channel operators. More flexible, more friendly. |
| 08:02.33 | lispy | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards this seems to be what Ive been unable to find previously |
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| 08:02.37 | basketball5 | ##Linux (with ##) needs some good company and good channel operators. More flexible, more friendly. |
| 08:02.43 | basketball5 | ##Linux (with ##) needs some good company and good channel operators. More flexible, more friendly. |
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| 08:04.31 | elky | !ops basketball5 is a spammer |
| 08:04.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: elky complains about: basketball5 is a spammer |
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| 08:05.17 | Daejeo | is there any one from states who can ping sip.vtwhite.com please? I am trying from my place but no response |
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| 08:05.41 | Daejeo | what could be the problem? |
| 08:06.44 | lispy | wow, this alsa bit is a mess |
| 08:07.13 | jim | Daejeo: I'm getting ping replies |
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| 08:07.36 | jim | 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2007ms (nextline) rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 87.985/88.910/89.452/0.701 ms |
| 08:07.38 | Daejeo | 100%? |
| 08:07.54 | Daejeo | what is the ip address? |
| 08:07.55 | jim | yep |
| 08:08.10 | jim | wait, you don't get the ip do you |
| 08:08.19 | Daejeo | I do |
| 08:08.20 | jim | you try to ping and you see nothing? |
| 08:08.29 | Daejeo | 100% loss |
| 08:08.31 | lispy | Daejeo, jim: have you guys been having trouble with DNS not resolving correctly lately? |
| 08:08.43 | lispy | (just wondering given your current conversation) |
| 08:08.57 | jim | so you try to ping and you see "PING sip.vtwhite.com (216.120.251.172) 56(84) bytes of data." and then nothing? |
| 08:09.35 | Daejeo | 216.120.251.172 |
| 08:09.47 | lispy | PING sip.vtwhite.com (216.120.251.172) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 08:09.48 | lispy | 64 bytes from Unassigned-216.120.251.172.hrwebservices.net (216.120.251.172): ic |
| 08:09.48 | jim | lispy: actually no... but I'm running my own dns |
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| 08:10.10 | lispy | I'm using my isp's dns and it's totally wacko last 4-5 days |
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| 08:10.24 | jim | in a sense it's a special case |
| 08:10.32 | lispy | like google.com resolving to bbc |
| 08:10.55 | jim | you could apt-get install bind9 |
| 08:11.03 | o2T7 | Daejeo, jim: From Europe there is no response |
| 08:11.23 | Daejeo | Ping statistics for 216.120.251.172: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss), |
| 08:11.31 | mbroeker | All 1714 scanned ports on Unassigned-216.120.251.172.hrwebservices.net (216.120.251.172) are filtered |
| 08:11.58 | jim | ahh... we're getting a little beyond icmp now :) |
| 08:12.22 | Daejeo | 02T7: it seems vtwhite guys are not accepting foregin traffic |
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| 08:12.32 | krinns | wols how i update my alias database |
| 08:12.35 | jim | lispy: try running your own dns |
| 08:12.45 | mbroeker | no ping response, no services, that host seems to be down for some areas... |
| 08:13.03 | jim | krinns: aliases for what |
| 08:13.06 | Daejeo | but jim is getting 100% response |
| 08:13.10 | wols | krinns: man postalias |
| 08:13.12 | lispy | xlotlu: That works (assuming my USB adio device gets the same card# next reboot...) |
| 08:13.18 | lispy | xlotlu: so thanks much! |
| 08:13.27 | mbroeker | Daejeo, thats why i said that some areas are affected, not all |
| 08:13.37 | Daejeo | is there any way i can reslove this problem? |
| 08:13.56 | jim | what is this site? |
| 08:14.06 | jim | well better question: |
| 08:14.07 | xlotlu | lispy: welcome. it will get the same number if it's just as plugged / unplugged at reboot |
| 08:14.08 | Daejeo | sip.vtwhite.com |
| 08:14.12 | o2T7 | Daejeo: That's right, for me packets are filtered |
| 08:14.21 | jim | so it's your website? |
| 08:14.26 | Daejeo | no no |
| 08:14.34 | Daejeo | it is my ITSP |
| 08:14.41 | lispy | jim: while i am a fairly advanced user, 1) I don't know how to run my own dns 2) it seems overkill when i already pay my isp for that service |
| 08:14.54 | krinns | i have update my /etc/alais file |
| 08:15.04 | krinns | now my /etc/alias.db is old |
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| 08:15.09 | Daejeo | jim: i am using vtwhite for sip termination |
| 08:15.10 | krinns | i need to update |
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| 08:15.37 | xlotlu | lispy: you can control tge index of the cards when loading the modules. anyway, i use a little script to change 0 with 1 and switch across devices (sound system on one card, headphones on the other) |
| 08:15.54 | jim | lispy: well I get that... so you're not actually paying your provider for its internet connection? |
| 08:16.18 | Daejeo | what should i say to my provider? |
| 08:16.40 | Daejeo | mbroeker: |
| 08:16.44 | jim | lispy: my point is you have a choice... you can use your provider's dns which you're reporting is kinda broken right now... |
| 08:16.56 | jim | or you could try running your own :) |
| 08:17.25 | lispy | jim: or I could call them and complain tomorrow...mayb I get lucky and they fix it :) |
| 08:17.37 | lispy | for a while I wasn't sure it was DNS or me |
| 08:17.39 | jim | sure. you do have that choice as well. |
| 08:18.08 | jim | yaknow, I'm guessing someone might be hacking their dns |
| 08:18.25 | jim | but of course that guess has -nothing- backing it |
| 08:18.29 | krinns | wols |
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| 08:21.53 | wols | krinns: if you don't read: solve your own problems |
| 08:23.27 | Daejeo | guys: is there anything i can do? |
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| 08:23.57 | wols | Daejeo: sure, get another ISP |
| 08:24.04 | wols | Daejeo: ran a traceroute yet? |
| 08:24.12 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to remove unused routines from a binary that includes statically compiled libraries? |
| 08:24.28 | Daejeo | wols: how? |
| 08:24.40 | wols | man traceroute |
| 08:24.47 | Daejeo | ok |
| 08:24.56 | Daejeo | i try |
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| 08:25.13 | mbroeker | Daejeo, i tried a traceroute sip.vtwhite.com and it produces this: http://rafb.net/p/Qrqhz055.html ask jim for the proper one!!! |
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| 08:25.51 | stiv2k | how to get mount to recognize smbfs? |
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| 08:26.47 | Daejeo | jim: any comment? |
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| 08:27.56 | wols | stiv2k: like any other FS type. what's your mount line? |
| 08:29.09 | jim | Daejeo: on which part? |
| 08:29.13 | liable | how do you make udebs? |
| 08:29.31 | jim | how do u make youtubes? |
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| 08:29.56 | RULON | when i log in as root on terminal trough "su" command how do i logout? |
| 08:30.02 | Daejeo | jim: http://rafb.net/p/Qrqhz055.html |
| 08:30.05 | liable | i'll give you fucking youtubes! *shakes fist* :P |
| 08:30.17 | wols | RULON: exit |
| 08:30.33 | jim | Wow! they come right out of your hand! |
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| 08:30.34 | RULON | wols thx |
| 08:30.36 | arooni | Give the 'visudo' command: |
| 08:30.39 | arooni | visudo |
| 08:30.43 | arooni | but it doesnt do anything |
| 08:30.51 | arooni | i was trying to give a user sudo abilities |
| 08:31.16 | RULON | arooni i just did what ure trying to do ^^ |
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| 08:31.22 | arooni | ok how did u do it |
| 08:31.28 | lymeca | How do I force installation of a package and ignore any dependencies? |
| 08:31.29 | arooni | i havent been in this channel until now |
| 08:31.36 | RULON | arooni open the terminal as root |
| 08:31.46 | RULON | arooni then type visudo there |
| 08:31.46 | stiv2k | wols: nevermind, i had to use cifs instead... do you know how i can do it so normal users can read it? |
| 08:31.53 | Knight_Lord | Is there a way to escape a string in shell so I can for example do something like mkdir uname -mo? |
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| 08:32.38 | arooni | RULON, i'm ssh'd in as root |
| 08:32.38 | jim | Knight_Lord: info bash, look for command substitution |
| 08:32.48 | RULON | arooni then type gedit /etc/sudoers, or mousepad /etc/sudoers |
| 08:32.51 | wols | Knight_Lord: backtick it |
| 08:32.52 | arooni | RULON, and when i type visudo-bash: visudo: command not found |
| 08:32.53 | arooni | ok |
| 08:32.57 | mbroeker | Knight_Lord, mkdir $(uname -a); |
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| 08:33.17 | wols | !tell arooni about installit |
| 08:33.21 | RULON | arooni if ur remotely connected then i dont know XD |
| 08:33.23 | wols | RULON: don't tell people that |
| 08:33.39 | arooni | RULON, ok so i do: chasetoys ALL=(ALL)ALL inside /etc/sudoers |
| 08:33.42 | Knight_Lord | wols backtick doesn't work, I mean it works but the problem is that the string that comes out has spaces |
| 08:33.43 | arooni | right? |
| 08:33.59 | RULON | arooni USERNAME ALL=(ALL)ALL |
| 08:34.06 | arooni | perfect |
| 08:34.10 | wols | use "" around it |
| 08:34.11 | arooni | its ok if there wasnt anything there before |
| 08:34.17 | arooni | RULON, do i need to restart |
| 08:34.19 | arooni | or is it immediate? |
| 08:34.25 | RULON | arooni inmediatly |
| 08:34.29 | arooni | fantastic! |
| 08:34.29 | Knight_Lord | mbroeker that doesn't work also |
| 08:34.32 | arooni | why is it bad to login as root |
| 08:34.47 | arooni | to a server specifically |
| 08:34.48 | wols | arooni: do you have sudo installed? |
| 08:34.58 | arooni | wols, now i do :P |
| 08:35.04 | RULON | arooni its dangerous but u need it aswll to install and remove programs so its relative |
| 08:35.04 | arooni | i just installed it.... |
| 08:35.38 | mbroeker | Knight_Lord, yes i testet it right now and was forced to delete all the created dirs... |
| 08:35.42 | Knight_Lord | My problem is not how to do mkdir `uname -om` but how to escape the resulting string |
| 08:35.56 | RULON | arooni now open a terminal without root access, and type "su" |
| 08:36.12 | RULON | aroonithen the password and voila! ur logged in ass root ^^ |
| 08:36.26 | jim | assroot! |
| 08:36.34 | RULON | XD |
| 08:36.43 | Knight_Lord | mbroeker I want it to create a directory called "i686 GNU/Linux", not 2 directories |
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| 08:37.00 | wols | Knight_Lord: have you tried what I said? |
| 08:37.04 | RULON | my first explanation on this channel... jim: i feel big hahaha |
| 08:37.22 | wols | RULON: and it was a bad one, true to form |
| 08:37.30 | Knight_Lord | wols backticking is `uname -om`? |
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| 08:37.39 | wols | Knight_Lord: I said more than that |
| 08:38.00 | RULON | wols u certainly know how to make me down :( |
| 08:38.01 | wols | mkdir \"`uname -mo`\" |
| 08:38.07 | Knight_Lord | wols oh sorry i missed the rest |
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| 08:38.26 | the_sniff | what could cause a cron in /etc/cron.d/file to not run? |
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| 08:39.04 | misley | I'm struggling to get a printer working - HPF380 - It worked fine with Ubuntu and Fedora, but Debian isn't recognising it when I plug in and turn on - the HPlip toolbox is installed |
| 08:39.06 | Knight_Lord | wols that creates a directory called "i686 |
| 08:39.27 | wols | without the \'s maybe? |
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| 08:39.35 | mbroeker | Knight_Lord, the problem is that GNU/Linux cannot be ONE directory |
| 08:39.44 | Knight_Lord | mkdir: cannot create directory `i686 GNU/Linux': No such file or directory |
| 08:39.51 | Knight_Lord | mbroeker why not? |
| 08:40.08 | mbroeker | GNU is one directory and GNU/Linux is in it? |
| 08:40.09 | jim | the disadvantage to backtiking is you can't nest them |
| 08:40.22 | Knight_Lord | mbroeker ah of course |
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| 08:40.34 | wols | you can never have / in a directory name |
| 08:40.38 | wols | forbidden character |
| 08:40.42 | Knight_Lord | wols of course, sorry |
| 08:40.49 | Knight_Lord | maybe mkdir -p will do it |
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| 08:41.24 | beardy | You do not want it even if you find a way, which I doubt. |
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| 08:42.42 | Knight_Lord | thanks for the help everyone |
| 08:42.44 | Knight_Lord | :) |
| 08:42.44 | RULON | can i clean the terminal? |
| 08:42.54 | the_sniff | RULON: clear? |
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| 08:43.07 | beardy | RULON: Cltr-l, or 'clear', or if necessary 'reset'. |
| 08:43.12 | RULON | thx the_sniff:) |
| 08:43.16 | AlbertyPascal | hi |
| 08:43.31 | RULON | beardy what reset do? |
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| 08:44.17 | AlbertyPascal | Question: I would like to install a specific package version (mysql 5.0.45). I added "unstable" in my sourcelist, but the last version is 5.0.51a. I don't want this version. I would like only the 5.0.45 one. How could I install this specific version ? Thanks |
| 08:44.52 | mbroeker | Knight_Lord, mkdir "$(uname -om | sed 's/\//_/')" |
| 08:45.05 | Knight_Lord | mbroeker I used tr but for the same effect ;) |
| 08:45.17 | Knight_Lord | mbroeker but thanks for the tip |
| 08:45.33 | arooni | does debian need anything to do: export LS_OPTIONS='--color=auto' |
| 08:45.39 | arooni | cuz on one debian etch its working great |
| 08:45.42 | arooni | and on the other its not |
| 08:46.22 | mbroeker | Knight_Lord, i like tr, too. |
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| 08:47.02 | AlbertyPascal | anybody ? please :D |
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| 08:48.52 | AlbertyPascal | is it possible using apt to upgrade to a specific package version ? |
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| 08:50.38 | fengor | did you try -t AlbertyPascal ? man apt-get |
| 08:50.44 | fengor | for mor information |
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| 08:51.28 | AlbertyPascal | should help me. Thanks fengor ;-) |
| 08:51.50 | fengor | no prob, just skimmed over the manpage |
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| 08:52.15 | AlbertyPascal | rtfm ... damned ... I'm bad ^^ |
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| 08:54.57 | AlbertyPascal | -t is concerning a release not a package version ... unfortunatly |
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| 08:56.07 | jelly-home | AlbertyPascal: which release of debian do you have installed? |
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| 08:57.42 | AlbertyPascal | etch, but (stable) mysql version in etch is 5.0.32. I would like to install 5.0.45 |
| 08:57.56 | AlbertyPascal | using apt-get |
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| 08:58.17 | wols | !tell AlbertyPascal about backports |
| 08:58.53 | jelly-home | AlbertyPascal: installing newer versions of anything will almost surely pull in some dependencies and make your etch installation a mess of mixed releases. backports are a way around that. |
| 08:58.57 | wols | and while apt-get can upgrade to a specific verions, it would be from sid or testing which has the same problems as -t |
| 08:59.49 | jelly-home | that said, if you're prepared to have a mixed system, you can take a look at /msg dpkg sdn |
| 09:00.52 | AlbertyPascal | my need is only to have the same version then on my dev windows boxes. I'll read about backports |
| 09:00.54 | AlbertyPascal | thanks |
| 09:01.07 | wols | jelly-home: telling people how to break their package management is frowned upon here :) |
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| 09:02.09 | jelly-home | wols: I'm well aware of that, thanks |
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| 09:03.40 | AlbertyPascal | don't blame him, he only tries to help me ;-) |
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| 09:05.47 | lazyfrosch | "dev windows boxes" scares me ;-) |
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| 09:06.01 | Ergo^ | lazyfrosch : why ? |
| 09:06.16 | Ergo^ | i had windows running etch in virtualbox |
| 09:06.45 | Ergo^ | tried switching to ubuntu and \before that debian, but non usable photoshop is still a barrier :D |
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| 09:06.55 | lazyfrosch | Ergo^: me too |
| 09:07.14 | ribasushi | is there a command that will show me a currently installed package version and all recursive dependency versions? |
| 09:07.19 | lazyfrosch | Ergo^: I use windows at home, but not for developement ;-) |
| 09:07.22 | ribasushi | in one shot? |
| 09:08.17 | Ergo^ | well i installed etch but installing nvidia graphics on etch defeated me |
| 09:09.05 | jim | what arch? |
| 09:10.12 | tarzeau | why? works great here |
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| 09:12.36 | Ergo^ | tarzeau : i dunno, i typed the commands like in howto |
| 09:12.39 | Ergo^ | and it died |
| 09:12.51 | jelly-home | wols: in any case, sdn is the place to look for old source versions too, should one want to backport a specific version |
| 09:13.12 | Ergo^ | reconfiguring x didnt find my video adapter |
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| 09:14.27 | tarzeau | Ergo^: is the driver "nvidia"? what commands? which howto? |
| 09:14.45 | grml | 3 |
| 09:14.56 | jim | 21.4 |
| 09:15.06 | Ergo^ | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers - this - driver i selected was nvidia |
| 09:15.31 | jim | try reconfiguring it to use nv |
| 09:15.45 | RULON | hi could someone tell me how to edit the grub so windows will be my default boot option :) --> this is how my menu.lst looks right now --> http://pastebin.com/d6aa769cd |
| 09:16.01 | RULON | what line i have to change or add? |
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| 09:16.24 | azeem | RULON: the Default line |
| 09:16.33 | azeem | change it to 2 |
| 09:16.47 | RULON | azeem did u saw the pastebin? |
| 09:16.59 | azeem | yes |
| 09:17.01 | Ergo^ | ah i skipped one command :/ fck.... this is what ya get when you install os at 3 am |
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| 09:18.32 | ribasushi | so anyone? |
| 09:18.43 | ribasushi | how do I get the versions of an entire package family? |
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| 09:19.23 | Ergo^ | ribasushi : maybe check packages.debian.org? |
| 09:19.30 | Ergo^ | wont that do the trick ? |
| 09:19.37 | beardy | RULON: If someone didn't answer, reset resets the terminal, in more ways than 'clear' does. You can read its manpage to learn more. 'man reset'. |
| 09:19.51 | ribasushi | Ergo^: I meant for debugging purposes print it out on a running system |
| 09:19.58 | ribasushi | like "what do I have right now" |
| 09:20.07 | Ergo^ | sorry im too noob to help then :D |
| 09:20.16 | RULON | beardy WTF? i asked u that no shit like 1 hour ago |
| 09:20.18 | RULON | :D |
| 09:20.45 | beardy | RULON: Yes. And there it is. |
| 09:21.04 | beardy | There was a (probably) fire alarm test here, had to go out. |
| 09:21.05 | RULON | azeem that didnt worked, now the default highlighted option is "Other operating systems" |
| 09:21.19 | azeem | RULON: then set it to 3 |
| 09:21.30 | fengor | RULON: irc can be asynchronous communication sometimes ;p |
| 09:21.36 | RULON | azeem okidoki :p |
| 09:22.03 | RULON | fengor i know but not THAAAAT asynchronous ;) |
| 09:22.27 | beardy | Sure, I've had one line a day conversations. |
| 09:22.48 | RULON | lol? |
| 09:22.58 | DawnLight | did thet reach a conclusion? |
| 09:23.07 | azeem | RULON: if you don't want late replies, don't ask people directly |
| 09:23.26 | azeem | it's always possible that somebody you're going to ask just stepped out and will only return later |
| 09:23.31 | beardy | DawnLight: I think so. |
| 09:23.37 | beardy | As azeem said, is how it is. |
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| 09:23.58 | RULON | azeem? i dont care when they answer but im not used to bein responded 1 hour after :) |
| 09:24.12 | beardy | Not all people step in and ask other peoples direct questions so.. I do occasionally. |
| 09:24.26 | RULON | usually if ur line passes the window view limit, u wont get any hehe |
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| 09:24.34 | paul___ | hi.. i need the ability to: 1. rate limit and 2. monitor / measure traffic PER IP where multiple ips are bound to one single interface ... i.e eth0:1 eth0:2 .. etc |
| 09:24.47 | arooni | does anyone know how to install ack for debian? |
| 09:25.01 | DawnLight | !ack |
| 09:25.01 | dpkg | *ACK* *ACK* *ACK* |
| 09:25.04 | jim | wha'tsa ack? |
| 09:25.11 | beardy | arooni: Since you ask, it must not be packaged? What is it? |
| 09:25.24 | arooni | http://petdance.com/ack/ |
| 09:25.25 | azeem | RULON: people here have been doing IRC for years and know how to handle the large amount of people |
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| 09:25.31 | jim | !info ack |
| 09:25.32 | azeem | really nothing to see here, move along |
| 09:25.54 | dpkg | ack: (Kanji code converter), section text, is extra. Version: 1.39-11 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 09:26.38 | beardy | arooni: 'aptitude install ack' |
| 09:26.47 | azeem | beardy: I don't think that's the same ack |
| 09:26.52 | azeem | "ack is a tool like grep, aimed at programmers with large trees of heterogeneous source code." |
| 09:27.05 | beardy | Oh. |
| 09:27.15 | beardy | How wheelreinventing. |
| 09:27.25 | jim | so thre must be another ack |
| 09:27.31 | azeem | arooni: install it via CPAN |
| 09:27.39 | azeem | eh dh_make_perl or what's it called |
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| 09:35.20 | et | this may be a stupid question, but how do i find out the speed my network card (if it's 1gbit or 100mbit) |
| 09:35.47 | DawnLight | et: dmesg perhaps |
| 09:35.59 | wols | ethtool |
| 09:36.01 | lazyfrosch | et: lspci |
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| 09:36.18 | wols | et: depends what you want to check: "is this card gbit capable": lspci |
| 09:36.28 | beardy | et: Do you mean what it is capable of, or what it is actually running now? Yes, dmesg, or if it is filled up, /var/log/dmesg. lspci, and then look up the details in a search engine. |
| 09:36.32 | wols | is this card using gbitlink right noe: dmesg and/or ethtool |
| 09:37.03 | enouf | d/noe/now |
| 09:37.11 | enouf | s/noe/now ;-) |
| 09:37.21 | wols | :P |
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| 09:37.49 | et | ethtool worked, thanks |
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| 09:38.09 | streuner_ | et: ethtool -i <dev> |
| 09:38.18 | beardy | Sloooow. |
| 09:38.32 | beardy | ;) |
| 09:38.35 | wols | beardy: he has me on ignore, he doesn't know |
| 09:38.40 | Loady | does there exist a package manager for debian that lets you manage multiple systems ? |
| 09:38.46 | beardy | wols: Ah.. |
| 09:39.00 | streuner_ | wols: why do you talk mostly bs? |
| 09:39.06 | Ergo^ | if im on etch and want to install drivers i should use what dpkg says in nvidia_post_etch or nvidia one-liner ? |
| 09:39.25 | wols | streuner_: I'd appreciate it if you'd tell me when I do |
| 09:39.43 | wols | Ergo^: are you on post etch? |
| 09:40.00 | beardy | It was just a joke. |
| 09:40.43 | Ergo^ | heh.. it meant latest version, i thought postprocess commands ;-) |
| 09:40.45 | Ergo^ | sorry |
| 09:41.10 | wols | Ergo^: do you use a debian etch kernel? |
| 09:41.24 | Ergo^ | yes |
| 09:41.41 | wols | then one-liner |
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| 09:42.43 | Ergo^ | :( one liner didnt work for me - is taht possible that reconfigure xserver-xorg could not recognize my video adapter correctly ? |
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| 09:43.50 | wols | Ergo^: what videocard? |
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| 09:44.12 | Ergo^ | 8800gts - it didnt even select that its nvidia etc. |
| 09:44.40 | wols | !tell Ergo^ about simple sid backport |
| 09:44.43 | beardy | Hmm, that reminds me, quite a long time ago I tried reconfiguring an xorg, in sid, autodetection had then been put in place, is it still the same? How do one get the sane plain old questions about bit depth, or where is it configured now? The config file just looked.. shrunken and weird.. |
| 09:45.06 | wols | nvidia drivers in etch are ~2 years old, they don't know about the 8800gts which came out last xmas |
| 09:45.24 | wols | beardy: sid drxx is simply shit |
| 09:45.37 | beardy | wols: Yes, I thought so that day.. |
| 09:45.40 | wols | Ergo^: you will need to backport nvidia-graphics-drivers from sid |
| 09:46.07 | wols | beardy: my guess is they want to make it "simpler" and FAIL miserably |
| 09:46.44 | streuner_ | join XSF then |
| 09:46.57 | beardy | wols: I'm sure that is the intent yes. But yep, since there's no way to have it ask things instead, if one wants it too, it's great fail. |
| 09:47.00 | azeem | w29 |
| 09:47.01 | azeem | bah |
| 09:47.08 | Ergo^ | wols as fot that backport - i remvoe the etch sources line and add sids ? that wont break anything ? |
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| 09:47.20 | wols | Ergo^: no you don't. |
| 09:47.39 | wols | Ergo^: read more carefully 1) |
| 09:48.06 | Ergo^ | so it will scan both repos and select the newest ? ( just asking as i dont know how it works ) |
| 09:48.07 | beardy | wols: I tried setting debconf to.. the settign where all questions is asked, but no difference, oh well.. I thought of asking the right person, but never did. Where is gravity btw? |
| 09:48.36 | wols | apparenlty AWOL |
| 09:48.43 | wols | Ergo^: read 1) MUCH more carefully |
| 09:48.56 | wols | Ergo^: and look up what deb-src means |
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| 09:51.05 | Ergo^ | wols, correct me if im wrong : i add a line in sources.list to sid source files repo yes, and when i try to update - apt wil lbe aware of the newer sources and then i build the package i want and install the deb yes ? |
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| 09:52.19 | wols | Ergo^: your might have to use -t sid |
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| 09:52.35 | wols | or you could just download the driver source from packages.debian.org |
| 09:52.55 | wols | you will also need to edit yor /debian folder in the source before building |
| 09:53.04 | Ergo^ | i guess ill go here this evening to have some direct guidance from yopu ppl, since its black magic for me more or less |
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| 09:53.46 | Ergo^ | i would go testing but someone mentioned that accelerated drivers dont work in that :( |
| 09:54.06 | wols | they do. but lenny has no nvidia drivers |
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| 09:54.20 | wols | which means you have to bckport them there too. it'S abit easier tho |
| 09:54.23 | beardy | I don't see why, but you'll probably have to build them anyway, so stay stable. |
| 09:54.38 | beardy | s/why/why not |
| 09:54.47 | et | okay, next question: how do you configure subpixel rendering? i found "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig", but this does not allow any interaction |
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| 09:55.14 | Ergo^ | i wonder how far is lenny from freeze |
| 09:55.29 | beardy | !lenny pool |
| 09:55.29 | dpkg | i guess lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 09:55.43 | jelly | and just how will global warming affect release freezes? |
| 09:55.46 | beardy | (do that in /msg) |
| 09:56.16 | Ergo^ | haha |
| 09:57.14 | enouf | beardy: not being patronizing but you did the -plow yeah? |
| 09:59.32 | Loady | does there exist a package manager for debian that lets you manage multiple systems ? |
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| 10:00.19 | streuner_ | dpkg lenny pool 1 =~ s/!/! streuner=2009-06-15/ |
| 10:00.19 | dpkg | streuner_: that doesn't contain '!' |
| 10:00.49 | Ergo^ | ill get back to you later this evening about that 8800gts install - i dont want to break my system again |
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| 10:05.13 | beardy | enouf: I doubt that. I did now though, but no difference. Also, where is -plow documented, as I first had to think what it was, so no, you weren't patronizing, since I didn't recall what it is. |
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| 10:05.55 | enouf | beardy: i don't even know where it's documented ;-) |
| 10:06.11 | enouf | somewhere in some man page ;-) |
| 10:06.20 | enouf | prioty low, high etc |
| 10:06.27 | enouf | priority even |
| 10:06.35 | beardy | enouf: Yeah, I checked the most logical one, dpkg-reconfigure's.. |
| 10:06.42 | enouf | aya |
| 10:06.57 | webman | anyone know how to resolve these problems "kernel: RPC: bad TCP reclen 0x6101ffff (non-terminal)" I get them on my NFS server when my NFS client tries to do some work, though some things work until it gets this error, then it doesn't work until the client 'gives up' and then starts working again..... |
| 10:07.06 | enouf | beardy: haha $ man -k plow |
| 10:07.06 | enouf | plow: nothing appropriate. |
| 10:07.18 | themill | beardy: it's in man (8) dpkg-reconfigure as -pvalue where value is specified in debconf(7). |
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| 10:07.32 | beardy | themill: Ah.. |
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| 10:07.51 | beardy | themill: I checked for -p -l -o -w individually, heh.. |
| 10:07.57 | themill | heh |
| 10:08.29 | themill | --priority=low is probably easier to understand, but a lot longer to type when you do it several times per day on #d |
| 10:08.46 | lunks | I have 2 modules/drivers available for my wireless card, b43 and bcm43xx. Right now, kernel uses b43 automatically. I'd like to go back to bcm43xx, but blacklisting b43 didn't work out-of-the-box. What am I missing? |
| 10:08.54 | beardy | And debconf(7) I don't have, at the moment. |
| 10:09.01 | enouf | man 7 debconf , man 1 debconf |
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| 10:09.05 | beardy | themill: Yep. |
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| 10:10.20 | wols | !tell lunks about blacklist |
| 10:10.47 | beardy | So next quest is finding where that manpage is.. |
| 10:11.14 | lunks | wols, didn't help. :> I already blacklisted it. |
| 10:11.16 | beardy | devel/po-debconf by the looks of it |
| 10:11.32 | lunks | hmm wait =P |
| 10:11.43 | enouf | beardy: manpages-dev |
| 10:11.45 | enouf | ? |
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| 10:12.24 | beardy | enouf: No, po-debconf as I said. manpages-dev is installed. |
| 10:12.38 | themill | no, debconf-doc |
| 10:13.05 | themill | debconf-doc: usr/share/man/man7/debconf.7.gz |
| 10:13.06 | beardy | Isn't manpages named program.section? |
| 10:13.29 | themill | yep |
| 10:13.50 | enouf | debconf: /usr/share/man/man1/debconf.1.gz |
| 10:13.59 | lunks | I don't get it, modprobe -r b43 and bcm43xx worked, but I just blacklisted b43 and now it doesn't work anymore. |
| 10:14.02 | enouf | debconf-doc: /usr/share/man/fr/man7/debconf.7.gz |
| 10:14.06 | beardy | Shouldn't that have been found too then.. when searching for debconf.7? |
| 10:14.08 | beardy | 11:10 <dpkg> Debian Search of 'debconf.7' (1): (/usr/share/doc/po-debconf/manpages.vi/po-debconf.7.html) in devel/po-debconf. |
| 10:14.13 | enouf | !late me |
| 10:14.23 | beardy | Eh.. |
| 10:14.26 | beardy | I know.. |
| 10:14.31 | themill | beardy: note the po- in front ;) |
| 10:14.33 | beardy | Haven't slept, is the excuse. |
| 10:14.55 | beardy | themill: Yeah, and the .html, for one. :) |
| 10:15.08 | themill | :) |
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| 10:15.27 | enouf | !tell lunks -about blacklist-initramfs |
| 10:15.38 | enouf | lunks: also, make sure nothing is in /etc/modules |
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| 10:17.14 | bip_ | i have a problem with vpnc: |
| 10:17.16 | lunks | enouf, ohh i indeed listed bcm43xx on /etc/modules |
| 10:17.20 | enouf | alright, i know Latin for Lead is plumb, which is where 'Pb' comes from on the Periodic Table, IINM = but what's Po in relation to french? ? |
| 10:17.30 | bip_ | i have a cisco vpn working windows .pcf i converted it using pcf2vpnc, when i run this command : |
| 10:17.41 | bip_ | vpnc /etc/vpnc/myvpn.conf |
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| 10:17.54 | bip_ | i get this output: |
| 10:17.56 | wols | lunks: in the initramfs? |
| 10:18.04 | bip_ | vpnc: configuration response rejected: (ISAKMP_N_ATTRIBUTES_NOT_SUPPORTED)(13) |
| 10:18.12 | bip_ | any hint ? |
| 10:18.17 | beardy | enouf: And plumber, I guess. Didn't know that, interesting. |
| 10:18.35 | bip_ | i googled w/out success :( |
| 10:18.42 | enouf | wols: perhaps the factoid for "blacklist" should have mention of that /etc/modules issue? |
| 10:18.47 | lunks | wols, no, i tried to add bcm43xx to modules, so it could be loaded =P |
| 10:19.04 | enouf | it's evolved quite a bit that factoid |
| 10:19.26 | lunks | wols, but it's cool, I'll try updating initramfs |
| 10:19.36 | arooni | how can i learn what version of debian i have |
| 10:19.44 | enouf | !version |
| 10:19.44 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 10:20.04 | arooni | 4.0 = etch? |
| 10:20.10 | beardy | Yes. |
| 10:20.30 | beardy | Can be learnt from the topic, and elsewhere. |
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| 10:29.21 | martianixor | hi |
| 10:29.58 | martianixor | I've got proxy settings system wide, not sure how I'd enable it for only one of my browsers |
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| 10:30.23 | amphi | martianixor: in the browser config, I guess |
| 10:30.42 | tralala | which might not be present for gnome browsers |
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| 10:31.00 | martianixor | amphi: yeah of course but everytime I disable it for the rest of the apps, it just become active system wide again |
| 10:31.04 | Hyphenex | Can I install Integrated Performance Primitives through apt-get? |
| 10:31.12 | amphi | martianixor: DE fun, eh? ;) |
| 10:31.19 | themill | !tell Hyphenex about search |
| 10:31.20 | amphi | tralala: how handy |
| 10:31.30 | Sheogorath | Bisous Naischa. <3 |
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| 10:31.44 | tralala | amphi, we want to bring the goodies of windows, don't we? |
| 10:32.01 | amphi | ;) |
| 10:32.14 | tralala | this feature actually is even taking a step ahead |
| 10:32.27 | amphi | into the abyss? |
| 10:32.31 | martianixor | let's say I enabled proxy settings for only epiphany |
| 10:33.02 | martianixor | next time I start using the system I find out that everything including pidgin for example is using proxy settings |
| 10:33.04 | tralala | martianixor, use iceweasel - it has it's own proxy settings |
| 10:33.05 | beardy | So asking in a different way, how do I set the bit depth of xorg in the latest version in sid? |
| 10:33.14 | martianixor | it's privoxy? |
| 10:33.33 | martianixor | I mean could that be a privoxy configuration issue |
| 10:33.43 | beardy | (or any version that has this autodetection) |
| 10:34.46 | martianixor | tralala: actually that is the case, I'm using iceweasel for proxy settings, but now everything is using proxy settings, I don't know yet how would that happen that all my apps are using proxy settings |
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| 10:35.11 | martianixor | tralala: I configured proxy settings for only iceweasel |
| 10:36.17 | swombat | My server is configured with the domain mydomain.com. However, the MX record points somewhere else (and mail from any other server works fine). Yet when I try to send a mail to something@mydomain.com from my server, it always gets swallowed and never arrives anywhere. What am I supposed to do to tell my server not to do that? |
| 10:36.22 | martianixor | tralala: now magically epiphany is not using proxy settings anymore, provided that I didn't restart it !!! |
| 10:36.34 | swombat | (mydomain.com is not in the mydestinations entry in main.cf) |
| 10:36.48 | tralala | martianixor, many (all?) gnome apps use gnome's global proxy settings. Iceweasel doesn't. It is not privoxy related. |
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| 10:37.25 | martianixor | tralala: I checked gnome global proxy settings already before bringing the issue to here, guess what? there wasn't any proxy settings |
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| 10:38.40 | martianixor | tralala: I meant that proxy is already disabled for gnome globally |
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| 10:39.04 | tralala | martianixor, and you're saying that gnome apps continue to use it? |
| 10:39.19 | jelly | beardy: is there not a Screen section where you can add DefaultDepth 24 or whatever? |
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| 10:39.46 | tralala | beardy, you can still provide a xorg.conf |
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| 10:40.10 | martianixor | tralala: yes |
| 10:40.33 | tralala | beardy, or you might use xrandr (if all the depths have been detected) |
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| 10:41.04 | tralala | martianixor, have you restarted the apps? They might have the proxy settings in memory |
| 10:41.12 | beardy | tralala: Yes, but I don't have one around, and I don't feel like writing one from scratch.. |
| 10:41.43 | beardy | tralala: Do you have a default Debian one, from before autodetection? |
| 10:41.45 | martianixor | tralala: actually I did, but was no use |
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| 10:42.03 | tralala | beardy, I have mine from etch. |
| 10:42.24 | beardy | tralala: Would you mind putting it somewhere or pastebinning? |
| 10:42.34 | tralala | martianixor, I haven't had such problems. You might want to ask #gnome or #debian-gnome |
| 10:42.59 | sordith | did one of you guys see the talk from Enrico Zini about data sources and is in the mood to chat with me about it? |
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| 10:43.48 | tralala | beardy, http://rafb.net/p/YqHUJt26.html |
| 10:44.02 | beardy | tralala: Thank you very much. |
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| 10:44.07 | tralala | beardy, you're welcome |
| 10:44.09 | swombat | My server is configured with the domain mydomain.com. However, the MX record points somewhere else (and mail from any other server works fine). Yet when I try to send a mail to something@mydomain.com from my server, it always gets swallowed and never arrives anywhere. What am I supposed to do to tell my server not to do that? (mydomain.com is not in the myrecipients in main.cf) |
| 10:44.24 | martianixor | tralala: thanks alot :-) as I said now they're magically back to normal, altough my mind find it really hard to let it go without explanation, I'll have to let it go for now hence I have unfinished work |
| 10:45.28 | wols | does your mydomain.com know about the mx record? |
| 10:45.58 | swombat | when i do an nslookup for the MX records they are correctly pointing to gmail |
| 10:46.11 | swombat | (when i do the MX records nslookup on the server itself i mean) |
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| 10:49.34 | sep | swombat, try doing the mx lookup on the web based dns tool page |
| 10:49.51 | swombat | it gives the same value |
| 10:50.02 | swombat | the mail is routed fine from any other server than my one |
| 10:50.12 | testerrr | is the debian httpd.conf expty ? |
| 10:50.18 | testerrr | for apache |
| 10:50.19 | petemc | swombat: why not just say the domain name? |
| 10:50.28 | swombat | fine. woobius.com |
| 10:51.11 | petemc | seems fine here, i presume you've told postfix to consider that domain local |
| 10:51.12 | Eulex | testerrr, yes. look in apache2.conf. |
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| 10:51.31 | toad_ | was there ever a fix to this issue? http://syslinux.zytor.com/archives/2006-October/007590.html |
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| 10:51.49 | swombat | petemc: what do you mean? |
| 10:51.59 | testerrr | Eulex: yes someone setup a apache serrver for me and the http.conf contains alot of repeat stuff |
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| 10:52.12 | swombat | my main.cf contains: mydestination = woobius.net, e82-103-138-250s.easyspeedy.com, localhost.easyspeedy.com, localhost |
| 10:52.18 | XoX | how do i see the list of packages that currently depend on an installed library package |
| 10:52.19 | swombat | no reference to woobius.com |
| 10:52.23 | toad_ | basically, pxe clients manage to load pxelinux.0 from tftpd-hpa , then they don't load the syslinux.cfg/C0A80102 ... and there's nothing logged except for the pxelinux.0 |
| 10:52.32 | toad_ | even with lots of -v's |
| 10:52.40 | sep | toad_, pxelinux.cfg/ afaik |
| 10:52.57 | toad_ | hmmm indeed |
| 10:53.35 | petemc | swombat: dont the logs show what it does with the mail? |
| 10:53.55 | swombat | good point, there are postfix specific logs aren't there |
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| 10:54.29 | swombat | heh |
| 10:54.29 | swombat | Mar 4 11:25:06 e82-103-138-250s postfix/smtp[11389]: 082CB1F4007: to=<daniel@woobius.com>, relay=none, delay=0.09, delays=0.06/0.02/0.01/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=woobius.com type=MX: Host not found, try again) |
| 10:54.44 | swombat | hmm. posting the actual email might have been a mistake |
| 10:54.47 | swombat | oh well |
| 10:56.03 | swombat | that's weird... when i lookup the MX for woobius.com under nslookup, it finds the records without any problems |
| 10:56.06 | swombat | but postfix doesn;'t |
| 10:57.15 | jim | the machine that postfix is running on, can that machine look it up? |
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| 10:58.08 | swombat | they're on the same machine |
| 10:58.15 | swombat | hold on, restarted postfix... think that might do it |
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| 10:58.42 | ctp | hi folks. which vpn client do you prefer as de-facto standard client? |
| 10:58.53 | swombat | log now says sent |
| 10:59.06 | swombat | though gmail hasn't received it yet |
| 10:59.10 | jim | send another one! |
| 10:59.16 | jim | something like the otherone! |
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| 11:00.21 | swombat | Mar 4 11:40:01 e82-103-138-250s postfix/smtp[11586]: 41C34254266: to=<asdkufahsdu@woobius.com>, relay=ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com[66.249.91.27]:25, delay=1.9, delays=0.06/0/0.18/1.7, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1204628312 z37si1680422ikz.1) |
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| 11:00.33 | swombat | but gmail isn't receiving it :-/ |
| 11:00.43 | petemc | did you check the spam folder? |
| 11:00.51 | swombat | fraid so |
| 11:01.07 | swombat | first thing i do with gmail :-) |
| 11:01.10 | petemc | swombat: are you sending from a reputable host? |
| 11:01.31 | swombat | it seems to ahve no problem receiving the mail when sent to my @gmail.com mail address |
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| 11:02.21 | jaggz- | gaw... does anyone know if debian's boot cd supports promise fasttrak 378? |
| 11:02.29 | petemc | swombat: perhaps there some confusion between where you think the mail should go and what gmail are doing with it |
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| 11:03.29 | Maulkin | !br |
| 11:03.29 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:06.00 | testerrr | anyone here have that page on how to install apache2 and php on debian ? |
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| 11:07.02 | Maulkin | testerrr: "aptitude install apache2 php5" |
| 11:07.05 | Maulkin | Done |
| 11:07.24 | themill | and libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 11:07.33 | Maulkin | Should be brought in automatically |
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| 11:09.07 | themill | not necessarily. If you've installed the apache1 version of that package for some reason then the apache2 version won't be installed automatically. |
| 11:09.16 | ganesh | how to get the calender option in icedove |
| 11:09.42 | ganesh | i installed iceowl but calender option is not coming |
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| 11:19.16 | xdr | what's in your opinion the best filesystem ...xfs, jfs, ext4? (server that is) |
| 11:19.34 | petemc | ext3 |
| 11:19.59 | Roobarb | or xfs for _large_ filesystems |
| 11:20.17 | jim | -if- you have a UPS on the machine |
| 11:20.20 | ganesh | how to get the calender option in icedove after installing the iceowl |
| 11:20.29 | xdr | Roobarb: large = 1 tb? |
| 11:20.30 | Roobarb | jim: and a backup generator :) |
| 11:20.36 | Roobarb | xdr: >16TB |
| 11:20.43 | jim | running xfs without a UPS is a bad idea |
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| 11:21.46 | s0u][ight | hi guys |
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| 11:22.51 | jim | anyway... I'm out |
| 11:25.44 | Haris1 | tguys, how can I calculate the total open connections at this time? |
| 11:25.48 | Haris1 | especially those for squid |
| 11:25.55 | Haris1 | squid has stopped accepting more connections |
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| 11:27.02 | Haris1 | It has (out of the box) support to open 4096 FD. I don't see why its doing this. I'm using squid3-PRE5 on etch r2 |
| 11:29.32 | s0u][ight | !livecd |
| 11:29.32 | s0u][ight | !live |
| 11:29.32 | s0u][ight | !live-cd |
| 11:29.32 | dpkg | livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 11:29.32 | dpkg | from memory, live is The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live on oftc.net (irc.debian.org), or http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/ |
| 11:29.32 | dpkg | i guess live-cd is http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 11:33.11 | RULON | how do i look if i have a program installed? |
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| 11:35.26 | tarzeau | RULON: which? |
| 11:35.34 | tarzeau | RULON: you run it on the command line |
| 11:35.41 | wols | rhavenn: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 11:35.48 | RULON | qiv |
| 11:36.06 | RULON | what the -l flag means? |
| 11:36.10 | RULON | list? |
| 11:36.15 | akuwamari | is there any free software antivirus? |
| 11:36.20 | themill | RULON: man dpkg |
| 11:36.24 | petemc | akuwamari: clamav |
| 11:36.24 | tarzeau | akuwamari: yes |
| 11:36.27 | RULON | okok |
| 11:36.43 | akuwamari | i have it |
| 11:36.46 | akuwamari | another? |
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| 11:37.23 | wols | akuwamari: cann you tell me the name of a virus infecting debian? |
| 11:37.46 | s0u][ight | what's the difference between ubuntu and debian? |
| 11:37.58 | tarzeau | s0u][ight: debian has way more software and developers |
| 11:37.59 | wols | !why debian |
| 11:37.59 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 11:38.01 | akuwamari | none |
| 11:38.11 | tarzeau | s0u][ight: ubuntu has more registered popcon.ubuntu.com users |
| 11:38.19 | akuwamari | wols: actually i know linux can't be infected |
| 11:38.35 | tarzeau | http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/documentation/virus-writing-HOWTO/_html/index.html |
| 11:38.38 | akuwamari | but i need one av to my clients who use windows |
| 11:38.40 | wols | aardvarq: how? |
| 11:38.52 | s0u][ight | cuz i'm using ubuntu atm but probably gonna switch to debain |
| 11:38.54 | wols | akuwamari: how can it be infected? |
| 11:39.05 | tarzeau | akuwamari: i prefer renattach |
| 11:39.06 | akuwamari | ?? |
| 11:39.16 | tarzeau | wols: users that click executables, renattach takes care of that |
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| 11:39.28 | Roobarb | wols: I've had content in an SMB share get infected from Windows before. |
| 11:39.43 | wols | tarzeau: didn't say you can't write one, but have you ever seen on in the wild? |
| 11:39.47 | tarzeau | akuwamari: apt-cache show renattach |
| 11:39.51 | tarzeau | wols: nope |
| 11:39.54 | wols | Roobarb: infected with what? |
| 11:40.03 | Roobarb | wols: a Windows virus of some kind |
| 11:40.09 | Roobarb | wols: I forget which |
| 11:40.16 | wols | Roobarb: how does this matter for debian? |
| 11:40.22 | YAPDog | Can anyone point me to any documentation for partman-auto/expert_recipe for use in a preseed please? I'm trying to work out what the numbers are |
| 11:40.30 | petemc | lots of people use linux boxes as gateways for windows networks |
| 11:40.35 | wols | where you run free software that is incomatible with windows API calls |
| 11:40.37 | petemc | in which case an av scanner makes sense |
| 11:40.40 | Roobarb | wols: so you can detect and not propogate back to Windows? |
| 11:40.40 | akuwamari | there is a clamav for windows |
| 11:40.45 | akuwamari | i am seeing |
| 11:40.57 | petemc | akuwamari: you're asking about windows software? |
| 11:41.04 | wols | petemc: what virus scanner can detect malware in a NAT network stream? |
| 11:41.16 | petemc | wols: theres a few |
| 11:41.21 | Roobarb | wols: most hardware firewalls with content inspection... |
| 11:41.27 | akuwamari | but the question is, clamav is so good how kaspersky? i mean recognize so much viruses ? |
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| 11:41.39 | wols | Roobarb: it'S a windows problem, not a debian one. the only time you need a virus scanner is if you run a mailserver under linux for windows users |
| 11:41.48 | petemc | no it isnt |
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| 11:41.52 | Roobarb | akuwamari: we use ClamAV and Sophos on our mail gateways |
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| 11:42.28 | Roobarb | akuwamari: Sophos rarely detects something ClamAV doesn't |
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| 11:42.34 | karsten | X problems. The server never seems to properly start. Running 'startx' or 'X', last line of output is "(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"". Suggestions? |
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| 11:43.05 | Roobarb | wols: if I have files on an SMB share that are infected with windows viruses, I should take due care not to propogate those back to Windows if I can help it. |
| 11:43.08 | wols | karsten: what is in the log and in xorg.conf? |
| 11:43.17 | karsten | Sec. |
| 11:43.26 | karsten | wols: In console ATM... |
| 11:43.41 | wols | you should instead deisinfect the windows boxes. otherwise you are sysiphus |
| 11:44.04 | wols | clearing the virus in the file and the windows host reinfecting him is really productive |
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| 11:44.15 | wols | s/him/it/ |
| 11:44.20 | tacit | !s/deisinfect/reinstall/ |
| 11:44.32 | Roobarb | wols: I should clean _ALL_ the infected boxes... |
| 11:44.42 | wols | yes. and your linux box isn't |
| 11:44.45 | Roobarb | wols: that includes the SMB server |
| 11:44.47 | wols | infected that is |
| 11:45.05 | Roobarb | wols: get a clue. |
| 11:45.05 | maligor | wols, but if you clean the windows systems and the linux smb still has the virus, it'll re-propagate |
| 11:45.07 | wols | Roobarb: yes and it's called "backup" |
| 11:45.18 | tacit | I wouldn't trust a once infected box ever. You just use AV on files servers to prevent spread. You still need to kill the machine. |
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| 11:45.35 | wols | your windows boxes obviosuly have write access to the server and usually much better (out of need) scanners |
| 11:45.43 | wols | I wouldn't use clamav to disinfect tbh |
| 11:46.01 | Roobarb | wols: no, but you could use sophos for linux to block read access... |
| 11:46.01 | wols | cheaper scanners too |
| 11:46.04 | maligor | you can get linux versions of the same scanners actually |
| 11:46.05 | tacit | Actually desinfection is pointless, you just delete. |
| 11:46.15 | petemc | not if you need the file |
| 11:46.15 | Roobarb | tacit++ |
| 11:46.21 | wols | maligor: which are always "enterprise" |
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| 11:47.01 | akuwamari | Roobarb: what? |
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| 11:48.08 | tacit | I think someone just post incremented me. Feels strange. And I like it. |
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| 11:48.50 | Roobarb | tacit: you're not familar with karma then? |
| 11:49.17 | enouf | (it wasn't done correctly though) |
| 11:49.26 | karsten | wols: http://paste.debian.net/50485 |
| 11:50.10 | karsten | X hangs, until you kill it when the herringbone pattern shows up for a minute. |
| 11:50.48 | enouf | karsten: lines 910-912 |
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| 11:51.05 | enouf | blacklist your synaptics crap or something |
| 11:51.24 | akuwamari | Roobarb: but, Sophos have the same quality virus db like avg or kaspersky ? |
| 11:51.36 | wols | karsten: harrinbone pattern is that grey BG with X mousecursor? maybe thw WM is not laoded properly? |
| 11:51.38 | akuwamari | i mean, a big virus database to detect all |
| 11:52.27 | akuwamari | Sphos is non free? |
| 11:52.36 | Roobarb | "Includes detection for 362495 viruses, trojans and worms" |
| 11:52.39 | wols | yes it's non free |
| 11:52.41 | s0u][ight | first modprobe -r it before blacklisting it |
| 11:52.47 | Roobarb | I'd say its prety big |
| 11:53.25 | Roobarb | akuwamari: Sophos is a commercial product, yes. |
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| 11:54.36 | enouf | karsten: what happens if you comment out all synaptic related lines in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 11:55.04 | wols | enouf: afaik synaptic is the same like the wacom thing: doesn't matter if it errors |
| 11:55.22 | enouf | i hear bitdefender works well, when wintendo weenies need something |
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| 11:55.33 | enouf | wols: i see - ok |
| 11:55.37 | akuwamari | let me understand, there i only non-free antivirus to servers that use linux but with windows clients, right? |
| 11:55.49 | akuwamari | so we have to use non free software to them ? |
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| 11:56.24 | Roobarb | http://w32.clamav.net/ |
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| 11:58.48 | akuwamari | yeah, i saw |
| 11:59.00 | wols | !tell akuwamari about volatile |
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| 12:14.22 | LimCore | how to use sound card? |
| 12:14.28 | LimCore | because so far its totall failure |
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| 12:15.23 | enouf | in soviet russia, soundcard uses j00! |
| 12:17.56 | at0m|c | LimCore: #alsa knows problably more on your problem |
| 12:18.08 | enouf | LimCore: 1) /msg dpkg whch driver 2) install alsa-utils alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-tools 3) run alsaconf 4) /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 12:18.15 | enouf | LimCore: in that order |
| 12:18.43 | enouf | !whcih driver |
| 12:18.46 | enouf | !which driver |
| 12:18.47 | dpkg | i guess driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 12:18.53 | enouf | man i suck |
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| 12:23.00 | numpty_ | xen on etch - does the debian package work ok? |
| 12:25.00 | SlayerXP | numpty_: it does for me |
| 12:25.06 | enouf | !tias |
| 12:25.06 | dpkg | tias is, like, try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 12:25.11 | enouf | check the BTS |
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| 12:25.45 | aeolist | i have a problem with my dvd rom drive (pata), i get many "attempt to access beyond end of device" errors (tried mounting with both udf and iso), am i missing some module or something? |
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| 12:30.46 | BadRobot | hi |
| 12:31.09 | BadRobot | how can i install Firefox 3 Beta 3 on a debian based distro? |
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| 12:31.21 | azeem | BadRobot: you cannot |
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| 12:31.26 | azeem | eh |
| 12:31.33 | BadRobot | why? |
| 12:31.35 | azeem | BadRobot: well, you cannot via the package system, I think |
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| 12:36.22 | tacit | BadRobot: http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?product=firefox-3.0b3&os=linux&lang=en-US |
| 12:36.27 | tacit | BadRobot: Download, unpack |
| 12:36.43 | BadRobot | thx |
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| 12:36.56 | BadRobot | i have got the tar.bz2 package already |
| 12:37.07 | tacit | BadRobot: In this case, just unpack. |
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| 12:44.03 | RULON | what is better? debfoster or debphoran? |
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| 12:47.02 | numpty_ | SlayerXP : thanks. What are you running in dom1+ ? |
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| 12:49.13 | BadRobot | damm,firefox 3 beta 3 rocks |
| 12:50.09 | RULON | ? O_O |
| 12:50.26 | RULON | hi :) what is better? debfoster or debphoran? |
| 12:50.37 | Kauhsa | I like that too :) |
| 12:51.28 | RULON | BadRobot, may i ask how did u installed it? |
| 12:51.43 | bip_ | i have a cisco vpn working windows .pcf i converted it using pcf2vpnc, when i run this command : |
| 12:51.45 | bip_ | vpnc /etc/vpnc/myvpn.conf, I get this output: |
| 12:51.47 | bip_ | vpnc: configuration response rejected: (ISAKMP_N_ATTRIBUTES_NOT_SUPPORTED)(13) |
| 12:51.49 | bip_ | Any hint ? |
| 12:51.51 | bip_ | tail /var/log/syslog shows this: |
| 12:51.53 | bip_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.07 | BadRobot | i just unpacked it,then i run the run-mozilla-sh first,then, i clicked the firefox.sh |
| 12:53.28 | enouf | aeolist: have you finalized your cds/dvds? |
| 12:54.05 | aeolist | well, i dont remember, they played beatifully in some other distro i was running |
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| 12:55.08 | enouf | aeolist: played? mounted? clarify |
| 12:55.49 | enouf | aeolist: where are the messages? dmesg? |
| 12:55.58 | aeolist | i had no problems mounting them and getting my data |
| 12:56.14 | aeolist | yes, i got this error in dmesg |
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| 12:57.07 | aeolist | http://www.pastebin.ca/927606 |
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| 12:58.08 | enouf | aeolist: what's your line in /etc/fstab for your drive ? and what's lsmod | egrep 'udf|iso' say .. and what's your mount command exactly |
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| 12:59.42 | aeolist | removed the line from fstab to find the correct mount option first, that line outputs udf and isofs, i do a mount -t udf /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0, tried -t iso9660 too |
| 12:59.47 | enouf | aeolist: and what kind of media is tat from? cdr, cdrw, dvd-r, dvd+rw, dvd-ram? is that an AudioCD, is that a Movie? |
| 13:00.01 | aeolist | it's a cd+rw |
| 13:00.03 | aeolist | eee |
| 13:00.18 | aeolist | dvd+rw, stuff on it, like backups |
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| 13:00.38 | negboy | please help me :) i downloaded debian testing 2 weeks ago. and md5 of first dvd is 9554bb773c4e149726d1e03267e68af1 , anyone can help me that this md5 is true or not ? |
| 13:00.45 | enouf | aeolist: you have dvd+rw-tools installed? wodim? genisoimage? |
| 13:01.10 | bip_ | have u checked dwith the dowload site negboy ? |
| 13:01.36 | enouf | aeolist: wodim is debian's fork of cdrecord and genisoimage replaces mkisofs |
| 13:02.06 | enouf | negboy: is it burned or an ISO? |
| 13:02.29 | negboy | bip_: i forgot it. |
| 13:03.07 | negboy | enouf: now i have iso and burned dvd . |
| 13:03.17 | aeolist | i have all of those packages already installed enouf |
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| 13:03.55 | enouf | aeolist: ok, i remember there being an issue with upstream UDF large write support, no problem reading |
| 13:04.06 | enouf | large file |
| 13:04.35 | enouf | negboy: put the DVD in drive and select "Check Integrity" |
| 13:05.01 | aeolist | googling my problem for debian, i found some problem in the way dvd roms were handled in the kernel or something... but that was like 2006 (2.6.12) |
| 13:05.06 | negboy | enouf: and then ? |
| 13:05.09 | enouf | negboy: f1-f10 are your friends |
| 13:05.40 | enouf | if it passes, you're golden |
| 13:06.03 | enouf | however, you might want newer images, since 4.0r3 was released now - not sure .. er like ~2 weeks now |
| 13:06.04 | negboy | enouf: hmm , tnx. :) |
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| 13:07.17 | enouf | aeolist: nah, the UDF stuff was more like .18 - .22 |
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| 13:07.47 | negboy | tnx :) bye. |
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| 13:08.52 | enouf | but it's not an error when you're writing eh? might want to file a bug report of not too much severity - as if nothing is wrong except messages, you're fine -- I Find whenever i run hwinfo, it scans my optical drives, and spits errors out to dmesg for no reason |
| 13:08.57 | enouf | aeolist: ^^^^^^ |
| 13:09.27 | aeolist | man, i cant mount my dvds |
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| 13:09.46 | aeolist | and i dont have hwinfo for that matter |
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| 13:10.11 | bahadunn | anyone know of a valid reason why permissions for /dev/null would be changed from crw-rw-rw- to crwxrwxrwx ? |
| 13:10.49 | enouf | bahadunn: someone did it? |
| 13:11.07 | enouf | bahadunn: to maybe make scponlyc work even? |
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| 13:12.30 | bahadunn | enouf: just trying to figure out if it is something to be concerned about from a security standpoint |
| 13:13.21 | enouf | bahadunn: well it could be sure, perhaps - make it normal |
| 13:13.40 | bahadunn | perhaps what? |
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| 13:14.21 | enouf | anything with x on it that shouldn't can possibly be a security threat, IMO |
| 13:14.24 | enouf | ymmv |
| 13:15.21 | enouf | aeolist: what? |
| 13:15.33 | bahadunn | yes I agree |
| 13:15.34 | enouf | aeolist: you cannot mount your DVDs? what type are they? |
| 13:15.48 | bahadunn | I cannot get past why /dev/null has execute set on it actually |
| 13:15.48 | aeolist | man that is my problem |
| 13:16.00 | enouf | aeolist: what does file /dev/hdb say ? |
| 13:16.03 | aeolist | i cant mount my dvds, they are dvd+rw, i am able to mount them with other distros |
| 13:16.11 | aeolist | nothing, it's not a softlink |
| 13:16.14 | enouf | aeolist: you need a line in /etc/fstab ? |
| 13:16.37 | wols | !tell aeolist about errors |
| 13:16.54 | enouf | what's not a softlink? |
| 13:17.03 | enouf | aeolist: what does "file /dev/hdb" say ? |
| 13:17.08 | aeolist | 14:25 < aeolist> i have a problem with my dvd rom drive (pata), i get many "attempt to access beyond end of device" errors (tried mounting with both udf and iso), am i missing some module or something? |
| 13:17.20 | aeolist | 14:57 < aeolist> http://www.pastebin.ca/927606 |
| 13:17.28 | enouf | aeolist: what does "file -s /dev/hdb" <-- try that too |
| 13:17.37 | aeolist | that's from mount -t udf /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 |
| 13:18.13 | aeolist | file -s says "data", file by itself says block special (3/64) |
| 13:18.36 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.55 | enouf | data is binary, not iso9660 , not UDF |
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| 13:19.43 | aeolist | sorry, i dont get it, plz explain |
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| 13:23.16 | enouf | it appears it's wanting or noticing a UDF fs, but the disk session wasn't closed/finalized, so having trouble - most times when file -s /dev/hdX returns "data" it means the file is a binary one of sorts, and the FS is not UDF, nor ISO standard, so perhaps the burn was done wrong -- note; "file" command can be wrong or misleading too though |
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| 13:24.06 | bip_ | aeolist, dowload and burn again |
| 13:24.15 | enouf | it;s looking for a partition - maybe you have one of those funky burners that uses 512 bytes per, instead of 2048 bytes .. weird - DVD-RAM is like that |
| 13:24.21 | bip_ | and dont forget to save md5sum values too |
| 13:24.37 | stoffell | is it possible to let debian not first try an ipv6 dns query (AAAA record) before tring an ipv4 dns query? |
| 13:24.42 | troubled | enouf: hmm, someone having trouble around here? *looks* |
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| 13:24.59 | enouf | :-P |
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| 13:25.48 | rati | Hey I want to sent multiple mails, but I want that receiver cant see other emails written in TO field of email. so like he thinks that I have sent mail to only him |
| 13:26.09 | tacit | rati: bcc |
| 13:26.18 | enouf | aeolist: run dvd+rw-mediainfo on it |
| 13:26.38 | tacit | rati: Or actually do send multiple mails. |
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| 13:27.12 | simonrvn | if they see the bcc they're not going to think it's only to them... |
| 13:27.13 | rati | tacit: but in bcc, bcc email address person can see TO field of mail which is not ontented to him |
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| 13:27.28 | debian_ | Gaim text sux |
| 13:27.29 | tacit | rati: Then don't put anything in there. |
| 13:27.34 | carlosz | rati: don't use TO just BCC |
| 13:27.37 | debian_ | It crashes all the time! |
| 13:28.04 | rati | carlosz: ok let me try that |
| 13:28.05 | Eulex | debian_, tried centericq? |
| 13:28.08 | jescis | pidgin's better |
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| 13:28.49 | Eulex | jescis, pidgin is a newer version of gaim. |
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| 13:29.26 | jescis | oh, didn't know that :\ |
| 13:29.29 | debian_ | Eulex: Is that the crap inside irc? |
| 13:29.44 | s0u][ight | hello i want the installation cd of debain i'm at the torrent page atm which cd image should i choise? |
| 13:29.45 | Eulex | debian_, what? |
| 13:29.56 | debian_ | Eulex: Is it simple to install and use? |
| 13:30.09 | moshii | are there any nas web interfaces things that can run on top of debian? |
| 13:30.18 | Eulex | debian_, kinda, why don't you just try it out? |
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| 13:30.57 | Eulex | debian_, just check that it supports the protocols you want |
| 13:31.02 | Coweater | s0u][ight: the netinstall probably |
| 13:31.17 | s0u][ight | i don't want a netinstall |
| 13:31.29 | rati | carlosz: hey yahoo is refusing it and telling that please enter one address in To field. so should I have to do that using some client? |
| 13:31.30 | ghis | Do you have to escape args with spaces inside in debian in some special way? ./encrypt.sh input="This is my message to be encrypted" password=MYPAS_WORD === Bad argument: is And this is an example from jasypt. |
| 13:31.35 | tacit | s0u][ight: The correct one. |
| 13:31.48 | s0u][ight | :| there are so many |
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| 13:31.53 | s0u][ight | cd 1 cd 2 etc. |
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| 13:32.19 | jescis | pidgin might still be better, it can do other services. icq, irc, and msn. |
| 13:32.20 | tacit | s0u][ight: Then you want netinstall if it's too many. |
| 13:32.23 | Eulex | s0u][ight, will the machine you're installing onto have an internet connection? |
| 13:32.34 | s0u][ight | nope |
| 13:32.37 | s0u][ight | Eulex, |
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| 13:33.13 | Eulex | s0u][ight, you could for example get cd1, cd2 and cd3. that covers most of the most common sw. |
| 13:33.28 | s0u][ight | so 1 cd isn't enough? |
| 13:33.39 | Eulex | s0u][ight, it is, for installing a basic system. |
| 13:33.41 | vinilios | any idea about XEN on how to change tcp-xmlrpc-server-address from localhost to a public one, changes doesn't seem to apply |
| 13:33.48 | tacit | s0u][ight: You can order a set of CDs or DVDs for as little as 10€ |
| 13:34.09 | s0u][ight | how much time will it take to come? |
| 13:34.30 | Eulex | jescis, pidgin is just a newer version of gaim. I don't believe it supports any additional protocols either. but he was talking about gaim-text, which is a console variant of gaim. the 'new' name of it is finch. |
| 13:34.43 | tacit | s0u][ight: Couple of days. |
| 13:34.48 | mbroeker | save the rainforest: dont burn media |
| 13:34.58 | s0u][ight | :( |
| 13:35.07 | s0u][ight | i'll see what i do tnx people |
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| 13:35.27 | tacit | mbroeker: *rom made out of paper? |
| 13:35.37 | Thomas_- | Hello. |
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| 13:36.01 | mbroeker | tacit, you are a good guy! |
| 13:36.12 | aeolist | enouf: ok and what to do with so much output... http://www.pastebin.ca/927634 |
| 13:36.12 | jescis | hhmm, well the windoze version does the others too. I thought it would be the same for the linux version |
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| 13:36.55 | Jemt | Greetz. Will I be able to perform a standard installation of Debian on a VIA Mini ITX motherboard with embedded VIA C3 CPU ? |
| 13:37.14 | Jemt | I'm considering buying the EPIA ML8000 Motherboard |
| 13:37.26 | bahadunn | Jemt: should be able to |
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| 13:37.36 | bahadunn | Jemt: I have a mini-itx system with via c7 |
| 13:37.47 | Jemt | bahadunn: And you run plain x86 kernel ? |
| 13:37.57 | weiles | hi |
| 13:37.58 | bahadunn | Jemt: yes I run 686 kernel |
| 13:38.09 | bahadunn | Jemt: but I did a standard install on 486 kernel I believe |
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| 13:38.27 | Jemt | Okay, I will try that if the 686 dosn't work. Thanks a lot :) |
| 13:38.28 | bahadunn | Jemt: via cpus are x86 cpus so you should have no problem running debian x86 on it |
| 13:38.40 | bahadunn | Jemt: no problem |
| 13:38.56 | Jemt | Okay. But they are lacking certain instruction sets, right? For multimedia etc. ? |
| 13:39.04 | Jemt | Not that I need them - it's for a server :) |
| 13:39.08 | rati | Hey Is thaere any other thing I can do? |
| 13:39.41 | Jemt | bahadunn: What are you using your VIA based computer for ? Desktop or Server ? |
| 13:39.53 | bahadunn | Jemt: I am not sure about the C3 cpu |
| 13:39.55 | Jemt | Would like to know how it performs as a Desktop computer :) |
| 13:40.00 | bahadunn | Jemt: it is my firewall/router |
| 13:40.08 | Jemt | Oh, nice - okay :) |
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| 13:40.16 | bahadunn | Jemt: should be okay as a desktop |
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| 13:40.17 | tacit | rati: Actually send multiple mail. Or just use bcc:, not to:. |
| 13:40.20 | bahadunn | Jemt: my cpu is a 1.5Ghz |
| 13:40.29 | bahadunn | Jemt: the only problem is via graphics drivers really |
| 13:40.39 | Jemt | bahadunn: Pretty powerful. Why not use a smaller version for routing purposes ? |
| 13:40.49 | bahadunn | Jemt: but it has been a while since I tried them so maybe they are much easier to get working now |
| 13:40.51 | Jemt | bahadunn: VESA should work fine, wouldn't you think ? |
| 13:41.06 | bahadunn | Jemt: I run snort, mysql, apache and so on on the box too |
| 13:41.16 | Jemt | Ah, okay - makes better sense then |
| 13:41.20 | bahadunn | Jemt: Id ont know I always used text based terminal on my system |
| 13:41.26 | bahadunn | Jemt: never used it with graphics :-P |
| 13:41.31 | Jemt | Heh, fair enough :) |
| 13:41.42 | bahadunn | Jemt: it has 3GB nics and 1 10/100 nic though |
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| 13:41.56 | bahadunn | Jemt: I like it a lot but now I am looking at the 2Ghz model |
| 13:42.02 | Jemt | bahadunn: Nice box! |
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| 13:42.24 | bahadunn | Jemt: but I also might wait till the new NAB 7500 comes out and get that to run debian on for my router/firewall |
| 13:42.31 | Jemt | Well, they are a bit expensive I think - I'm trying to build an inexpensive computer for a friend :) |
| 13:42.38 | bahadunn | Jemt: the NAB can take up to 3.5GB ram instead of 1GB ram |
| 13:42.41 | enouf | aeolist: i'm no dev, but line 32 Track State: complete,damaged <-might be an issue - nice drive, i have one myself, good media, Taiyo-Yuden i see |
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| 13:42.43 | Jemt | *drools* |
| 13:43.02 | bahadunn | Jemt: all mini-itx stuff is sort of expensive |
| 13:43.18 | Jemt | Yeah, and it's even worse if you want Nano |
| 13:43.20 | bahadunn | Jemt: you might be better off going micro-atx or something like that |
| 13:43.25 | enouf | aeolist: i have success with +R on my drive for some reason |
| 13:43.40 | bahadunn | Jemt: or get something like a zoonbu or some other minipc thing |
| 13:43.49 | bahadunn | Jemt: there are several around now |
| 13:43.49 | Jemt | bahadunn: No, I want VIA for my personal server - I don't want it to make ANY noise or take up room :) |
| 13:43.53 | debian_ | gaim crashes with an memory alloc failure |
| 13:43.58 | aeolist | enouf: yeah... |
| 13:44.00 | aeolist | :| |
| 13:44.09 | enouf | aeolist: line 16 Media Book Type: 00h, DVD-ROM book [revision 0] |
| 13:44.11 | enouf | is good |
| 13:44.12 | Jemt | bahadunn: But I appriciate all your input. I will look closer into it tonight :) |
| 13:44.22 | aeolist | let me try another dvd, given to me by a friend, who says he can mount it |
| 13:44.33 | aeolist | but i cant |
| 13:44.46 | enouf | aeolist: unless, you burned a Video DVD-ROM? then you forgot the -dvd-compat or -dvd-video flag? |
| 13:44.52 | bahadunn | Jemt: I just built two servers for my home that are micro-atx. They run amd athlon x2 BE-2400 cpus which are dual core. The cpus burn at about 80F to 90F and consume 45W at load. |
| 13:45.02 | aeolist | enouf: nah |
| 13:45.02 | bahadunn | Jemt: and I cannot hear them they are so quiet |
| 13:45.11 | aeolist | enouf: this is like a general problem |
| 13:45.12 | enouf | aeolist: man dvd+rw-booktype, i forget which one does not do booktype |
| 13:45.29 | debian_ | enouf: Why would gaim-text crash? |
| 13:46.14 | Jemt | bahadunn: Oh, I also want the PC to be cheap when it comes to power. I find it totally cool that I can have a PC run at less than 10w :D |
| 13:46.17 | Eulex | debian_, because it might be buggy? *shrug* |
| 13:46.48 | bahadunn | Jemt: for me the whole system running at 50 to 60W is fine |
| 13:47.01 | bahadunn | Jemt: my amd systems run cooler and quieter then my via system |
| 13:47.02 | bahadunn | Jemt: :-P |
| 13:47.06 | enouf | aeolist: perhaps visit #cdrkit on oftc.net |
| 13:47.07 | Jemt | Haha :) |
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| 13:47.09 | Jemt | Nice |
| 13:47.35 | bahadunn | Jemt: and debian running on everything I have |
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| 13:48.37 | enouf | aeolist: yeah, that's the channel |
| 13:48.38 | bahadunn | Jemt: I did a kernel compile using -j option the other day to see how temperature high temperature would go while stressing the x2 cpu and the highest I saw it go was like 113F |
| 13:48.41 | ghis | Do you have to escape args with spaces inside in debian in some special way? ./encrypt.sh input="This is my message to be encrypted" password=MYPAS_WORD === Bad argument: is And this is an example from jasypt. |
| 13:48.47 | enouf | debian_: no idea |
| 13:48.48 | debian_ | Eulex: Howtofix? |
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| 13:48.57 | debian_ | enouf: Howtofix? |
| 13:49.29 | Eulex | debian_, debug the program, find the problem, fix it and send the patch upstream? |
| 13:49.55 | Jemt | bahadunn: The noise from your Via system is from fans and hard drives, right ? |
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| 13:50.07 | bahadunn | Jemt: mostly fans |
| 13:50.13 | bahadunn | Jemt: a little hard drive |
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| 13:50.36 | bahadunn | Jemt: I am going to probably put that via system in one of the cases I got for the x2 systems I have which I think will make things much quieter |
| 13:50.42 | bahadunn | Jemt: I am a big fan of silence |
| 13:51.07 | Jemt | bahadunn: Okay, I don't have any fans in my configuration (which only exists on the paper so far), nor any harddrive - I plan on using a 8 GB CF-card - not sure how it will perform though :) |
| 13:51.11 | enouf | aeolist: is he mounting it under a windows app in wine? |
| 13:51.26 | Jemt | bahadunn: Makes two of us ;) |
| 13:51.30 | mbroeker | debian_, apt-get install strace ; strace gaim 2>&1 >gaim_debug.txt |
| 13:51.32 | aeolist | enouf: no, lol |
| 13:51.33 | debian_ | Eulex: Was thinking more in the lines of delete, install something else? |
| 13:51.40 | Jemt | I have an IBM Thinkpad X31 - makes no noise either :D |
| 13:51.51 | Eulex | debian_, well, try centericq? |
| 13:51.56 | debian_ | mbroeker: Delete, apt-get what? |
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| 13:52.00 | debian_ | Eulex: Difficult? |
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| 13:52.18 | Eulex | debian_, do you know how to install software in debian? |
| 13:52.45 | aeolist | enouf: brb |
| 13:52.53 | Eulex | debian_, oh, and just so I understood you right: you were complaining about gaim-text being unstable, and not gaim? |
| 13:53.04 | mbroeker | debian_, try that command, and paste the last 100 lines of it to a nopaste server ( tail -n 100 gaim_debug.txt | nopaste ) for example. |
| 13:53.34 | bahadunn | Jemt: just make sure your case can do proper cooling |
| 13:53.35 | debian_ | Eulex: Yes |
| 13:53.56 | debian_ | I can apt-get, and I was complaing about gaim-text, not gaim. |
| 13:53.57 | Jemt | bahadunn: I |
| 13:53.58 | bahadunn | Jemt: the problem I had before was that I had my via system in a mini-itx case and it was getting too hot for my liking |
| 13:54.03 | bahadunn | Jemt: not overheating mind you |
| 13:54.13 | Jemt | bahadunn: I'm buying this case - and plan on disabling the fan: |
| 13:54.13 | bahadunn | Jemt: but I didnt like 155F on the cpu |
| 13:54.19 | bahadunn | Jemt: and that was at idle |
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| 13:54.28 | Jemt | bahadunn: http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/3688/default.asp?page=2 |
| 13:54.39 | bahadunn | Jemt: so i put the via system in a micro-atx antec case and now its about 100F idle |
| 13:54.46 | Jemt | 155F ??? |
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| 13:55.23 | debian_ | !pastebin |
| 13:55.24 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 13:56.01 | debian_ | mbroeker: http://pastebin.ca/927664 |
| 13:56.05 | Eulex | debian_, just install centericq then, start it up, and try it out. |
| 13:56.50 | debian_ | Eulex: Syntax? |
| 13:57.04 | Eulex | !tell debian_ about apt howto |
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| 13:57.21 | debian_ | Eulex: Not apt, centericq, anything else to run it? |
| 13:57.33 | mbroeker | debian_, your DISPLAY Variable is not set in that paste |
| 13:57.35 | Jemt | bahadunn: What's the VIA |
| 13:57.39 | Eulex | debian_, no, just run it? |
| 13:57.43 | Jemt | bahadunn: What's the VIA's die temperature ? |
| 13:57.48 | Jemt | .. if you know ? |
| 13:57.58 | debian_ | mbroeker: It usually isnt in an ssh server!! |
| 13:58.13 | bahadunn | Jemt: what do you mean? |
| 13:58.23 | bahadunn | Jemt: like the max or what is my via cpu current temp? |
| 13:58.28 | Jemt | bahadunn: At what temperature is the CPU likely to die ? |
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| 13:58.37 | Eulex | debian_, umh, but you're trying to run the graphical version of gaim |
| 13:59.02 | Eulex | debian_, that obviously won't work in a terminal either, if you haven't taken special measures |
| 13:59.15 | mbroeker | debian_, try the strace command as described above with the faulty one: if the binary is called gaim-text, use it |
| 13:59.41 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have realized that my video card or my cpu are overheating in debian, how can I check is that is really happening? (when I run windows, the coolers are working slower than in linux, that was the test) |
| 13:59.48 | bahadunn | Jemt: oh probably like 180 or higher |
| 14:00.06 | Eulex | mbroeker, you might want to ask debian_ whether gaim-text crashes immediately or after a while before giving advice on how to debug it. |
| 14:00.09 | Jemt | Okay, thanks |
| 14:00.09 | bahadunn | Jemt: system will shut off before then though |
| 14:00.16 | Jemt | bahadunn: Ah, great! :) |
| 14:00.18 | Jemt | I like that feature |
| 14:00.23 | bahadunn | Jemt: like 170 to 180 the system will shut off before cpu dies |
| 14:00.35 | bahadunn | Jemt: that is pretty standard these days |
| 14:00.49 | bahadunn | Jemt: I never met a recent system that did not shut off if it got to hot |
| 14:01.09 | debian_ | Eulex: No, I copy pasted mbroekers command |
| 14:01.36 | Eulex | debian_, yeah, I realized that |
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| 14:01.53 | Eulex | debian_, does gaim-text crash immediately or after some time or use? |
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| 14:01.59 | mbroeker | debian_, ok it was my fault: i dont know the binary name of your buggy application and i have choosen the one i know... |
| 14:02.13 | gonzaloaf | no clues for me? |
| 14:02.14 | Jemt | bahadunn: Okay - I'm still thrilled to see how well my P3 450 Mhz performs - I'm a bit old school when it comes to hardware :) |
| 14:02.34 | Eulex | debian_, if it crashes immediately, mbroeker's command (but with gaim-text instead of gaim) might give some clues |
| 14:02.37 | Jemt | .. but then again, I don't play games etc, so I don't need that powerful hardware :) |
| 14:02.40 | debian_ | Eulex: After some time, with memory alloc think |
| 14:02.46 | debian_ | thing* |
| 14:03.25 | nictimju | I would like a user to be able to mount/umount drives, would this be the appropriate command in the sudoers file? user ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/mount /bin/umount ? |
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| 14:03.45 | cirdan | hey, anyone know where to checkout the debbugs source? |
| 14:03.53 | wols | nictimju: set the option in your fstab instead. user |
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| 14:04.17 | bahadunn | Jemt: mini-itx stuff is very interesting to me |
| 14:04.19 | bahadunn | Jemt: brb |
| 14:04.25 | wols | cirdan: every package in debian has source available |
| 14:04.27 | themill | nictimju: or add them to the plugdev group and use your desktop's automounter, or use pmount |
| 14:04.28 | nictimju | wols if I set it in fstab, then the drive would be automaticall connected |
| 14:04.31 | Eulex | debian_, well, you could file a bug report, but problems like that are usually not that easy to debug. but in any case, it should be fixed in the latest version of finch. but you could try out centericq as a substitute. or try compiling or finding packages of finch for etch. |
| 14:04.35 | wols | nictimju: no |
| 14:04.40 | wols | nictimju: noauto |
| 14:04.48 | themill | !tell nictimju about automount |
| 14:04.53 | debian_ | Eulex: centericq doesnt loggin |
| 14:05.07 | nictimju | ok, wols, I'll try that, but how about the sudoers file, would that command work? |
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| 14:05.22 | cirdan | wols: i didnt say the deb source, i meant the live source |
| 14:05.28 | Eulex | debian_, did you setup your account properly? |
| 14:05.47 | debian_ | Eulex: I hope so, it didnt tell me password was wrong |
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| 14:05.58 | wols | cirdan: on alioth probably |
| 14:06.02 | ghis | Do you have to escape args with spaces inside in debian in some special way? ./encrypt.sh input="This is my message to be encrypted" password=MYPAS_WORD === Bad argument: is And this is an example from jasypt. |
| 14:06.16 | Eulex | debian_, ok. well, I don't know, was some time since I used centericq. what protocol are you trying to use? |
| 14:06.35 | Justin | ghis: password="MYPAS_WORD" |
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| 14:06.56 | ghis | Bad argument: 'is' |
| 14:06.56 | themill | ghis: where's this encrypt.sh from? |
| 14:07.12 | ghis | http://www.jasypt.org/cli.html |
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| 14:07.33 | debian_ | Eulex: MSN |
| 14:07.39 | ghis | it works on a windows platform... |
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| 14:07.57 | Eulex | debian_, I've used centericq successfully with msn. I could try it out now. |
| 14:08.01 | ghis | it works in Debien.. when i dont have any spaces inside input="" |
| 14:08.19 | debian_ | ghis: Debian |
| 14:08.29 | aeolist | enouf: http://www.pastebin.ca/927672 same message, different dvd, a dvd which works for others |
| 14:08.40 | aeolist | enouf: thank you for everything, i'll head down to cdrkit |
| 14:08.46 | enouf | gonzaloaf: perhaps something to do with the adapter, when plugged in triggers performance mode, so when done, the cpu govenor (cpufreqd) never kicks back in? acpi, acpid, acpi-support and acpi-support-base installed? |
| 14:09.04 | bahadunn | Jemt: the mini-itx stuff is cool |
| 14:09.09 | enouf | aeolist: ok - i posted over there already on your behalf ;-) |
| 14:09.11 | debian_ | What separates an cd and dvd rom, hardware or software? |
| 14:09.11 | mbroeker | Eulex, i have centericq-utf8 and it works fine |
| 14:09.14 | bahadunn | Jemt: I have been interested in that stuff for a couple years now |
| 14:09.20 | Eulex | works fine here too |
| 14:09.32 | debian_ | mbroeker: Do I have to define utf8? |
| 14:09.45 | ghis | themill, it's really strange :| |
| 14:09.50 | Eulex | debian_, the non-utf8 version worked fine here too |
| 14:10.12 | swombat | Can anyone give me a pointer (the name of a tool or package) for generating some kind of daily report of the load on a server? I'd like to know things like what were the highest load spikes, what was the average load, how long was the average length of load spikes, etc? |
| 14:10.15 | Eulex | and well, both do |
| 14:10.17 | themill | ghis: there's a straight out bug in their shell script. Try replacing $@ with "$@" in encrypt.sh |
| 14:10.21 | gonzaloaf | enouf, just acpid |
| 14:10.27 | gonzaloaf | enouf, install anothers? |
| 14:10.34 | Jemt | bahadunn: Me two, just havn't been willing to offer the money necessary to buy it :) |
| 14:10.40 | Jemt | too* |
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| 14:10.43 | ghis | themill, ok i will try |
| 14:10.58 | enouf | gonzaloaf: sure, how about cpufreq{d} pkgs? |
| 14:11.06 | enouf | gonzaloaf: apt-cache search ^acpi |
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| 14:11.09 | debian_ | Eulex: Numbers in the password? |
| 14:11.24 | gonzaloaf | enouf, not installed? install too? |
| 14:11.24 | Jemt | bahadunn: But now is the time - I need a more powerful server and one that dosn't take up place and ain't noisy :) |
| 14:11.28 | Eulex | debian_, what? |
| 14:11.32 | enouf | gonzaloaf: then apt-cache show <pkg> o see more info about each |
| 14:11.36 | ghis | themill, LOL it worked, allmost my whole f* day went to this problem.. |
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| 14:12.01 | gonzaloaf | enouf, I have installed libcpufreq0 |
| 14:12.03 | debian_ | Eulex: Do you have nubers in your msn passowrd, asking because I have only numbers and think the charset is messing it up. |
| 14:12.05 | themill | ghis: OK... now please report that as a bug with the jasypt authors |
| 14:12.17 | enouf | gonzaloaf: well, i presume so, i don't use that stuff -- another thing to check out is the URLs a "/msg dpkg laptop" returns |
| 14:12.29 | ghis | themill, i will do |
| 14:12.36 | bahadunn | Jemt: well me either |
| 14:12.39 | bahadunn | Jemt: its expensive |
| 14:12.39 | gonzaloaf | enouf, this is a desktop |
| 14:12.42 | Eulex | debhelper, I don't, but then numbers are encoded the same way in utf8 locales and non-utf8-based locales |
| 14:12.46 | enouf | gonzaloaf: i know man acpi, man cpufreq-set, etc might help |
| 14:12.51 | themill | ghis: It's the same in both their decrypt.sh and digest.sh scripts too. |
| 14:12.52 | bahadunn | Jemt: get a athlon x2 |
| 14:12.56 | enouf | gonzaloaf: oh, so no adapter ;-) |
| 14:13.08 | bahadunn | Jemt: just get a power effiencent one |
| 14:13.12 | enouf | gonzaloaf: what about lm_sensors? |
| 14:13.17 | bahadunn | Jemt: get a quiet case |
| 14:13.17 | debian_ | Eulex: I know some characters become strange with non utf |
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| 14:13.24 | bahadunn | Jemt: I am really happy with my systems |
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| 14:13.30 | gonzaloaf | enouf, yes I have installed it a week ago |
| 14:13.43 | bahadunn | Jemt: and they are much faster, cooler and quieter then my old server systems |
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| 14:13.56 | ghis | themill, yes i have corrected it in all files... thank's for the help. saved my day |
| 14:13.57 | balancin | Como posso montar unidades no Debian!? |
| 14:14.13 | enouf | gonzaloaf: hrm, well please use dpkg -L <pkgname> to see where docs and manpages are (usually docs are in /usr/share/doc/) |
| 14:14.15 | zamuro | !pr |
| 14:14.17 | Jemt | bahadunn: Well, I don't care about the heat from it :) |
| 14:14.20 | debian_ | balancin: debian-es |
| 14:14.23 | gonzaloaf | enouf, ok |
| 14:14.23 | zamuro | !br |
| 14:14.24 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:14.26 | balancin | How to mount my hds on my debian !? |
| 14:14.27 | debian_ | #debian-es |
| 14:14.29 | mbroeker | !gr |
| 14:14.29 | dpkg | i guess gr is for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el. General Resolution |
| 14:14.42 | zamuro | Ain't spanish... it's portuguese |
| 14:14.47 | Jemt | bahadunn: Also, size really matters to me :) |
| 14:14.49 | gonzaloaf | enouf, but basically the problem is that I dont have installed any cpu frequency controller ? |
| 14:14.55 | debian_ | zamuro: I speak espanole |
| 14:14.59 | enouf | gonzaloaf: i'm curious - why would it run hotter in one OS than another? i mean the Fans controlled? |
| 14:15.05 | debian_ | It looks like it |
| 14:15.06 | cirdan | wols: nope, no source there... i have an olz bzr tree, which is 2 years old but tells me it's up to date, and found an http version of the source, but i can't find out how to checkout the new source :/ |
| 14:15.08 | bahadunn | Jemt: but lower heat means less noise of fans having to cool it |
| 14:15.10 | zamuro | ¿Ah sí? Te felicito, chamo... ¿Dónde aprendiste? |
| 14:15.15 | debian_ | enouf: Yes it can |
| 14:15.19 | balancin | How to mount my hds on my debian !? |
| 14:15.20 | debian_ | zamuro: No no |
| 14:15.21 | enouf | gonzaloaf: i mean it's not a laptop with all that cprfreq scaling and such |
| 14:15.27 | Jemt | bahadunn: I'm pretty sure I won't need fans for the C3 800 Mhz model :) |
| 14:15.28 | debian_ | balancin: mount |
| 14:15.28 | Eulex | debian_, numbers don't |
| 14:15.29 | bahadunn | Jemt: although I cannot really hear my fans running at full speed so I guess it doesnt matter that much |
| 14:15.37 | zamuro | balancin: man mount |
| 14:15.41 | bahadunn | Jemt: but you would need a bigger cooler for a hotter chip |
| 14:15.51 | bahadunn | Jemt: why not get a c7 model |
| 14:15.52 | Jemt | bahadunn: That makes sense |
| 14:15.54 | debian_ | Eulex: They dont work or doesnt become strange? |
| 14:16.00 | gonzaloaf | enouf, the fans run faster the hotter is the cpu |
| 14:16.02 | bahadunn | Jemt: they have 1.2 Ghz systems that are fanless |
| 14:16.04 | Jemt | bahadunn: More expensive, and I don't really need THAT much power :) |
| 14:16.07 | gonzaloaf | enouf, bios control that right? |
| 14:16.08 | bahadunn | Jemt: and the c7s are more powerful then c3 |
| 14:16.11 | bahadunn | Jemt: oh |
| 14:16.22 | bahadunn | Jemt: okay I got ya |
| 14:16.23 | balancin | Cool, but I didnt understand I mount... =( |
| 14:16.25 | Jemt | bahadunn: :D |
| 14:16.29 | bahadunn | Jemt: what will you use this system for? |
| 14:16.35 | Eulex | debian_, they are encoded the same way, so "they don't become strange" |
| 14:16.45 | swombat | Can anyone give me a pointer (the name of a tool or package) for generating some kind of daily report of the load on a server? I'd like to know things like what were the highest load spikes, what was the average load, how long was the average length of load spikes, etc? |
| 14:16.56 | balancin | I restart my server and mounted hds not starts =( |
| 14:17.01 | DustyBin | has there been a name given for what comes after lenny? |
| 14:17.06 | abrotman | no |
| 14:17.21 | zamuro | balancin: Did you add them to /etc/fstab? |
| 14:17.34 | Jemt | bahadunn: Server; Apache2, MySQL5, PHP5, PostFix - that's it. It will host about 10 domains and 5 mailboxes - and only about 2-3 of the sites gets visitors. I would say that I have about 200 visitors a day on a normal PHP/HTML based site not loaded with to much graphics |
| 14:17.38 | balancin | no |
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| 14:17.54 | balancin | they are gone from that.. |
| 14:17.56 | enouf | gonzaloaf: i see, yes, i suppose so - i guess you can softwar control that? with acpi-tools support? not sure |
| 14:17.56 | bahadunn | Jemt: and what is the mhz of the c3 you were looking at? |
| 14:18.11 | enouf | gonzaloaf: lm_sensors things? i'm not sure |
| 14:18.13 | Jemt | bahadunn: 800 Mhz |
| 14:18.17 | debian_ | Eulex: I dont understand, if I loggon to ssh using non-utf8 everything lookes messed up. |
| 14:18.20 | bahadunn | Jemt: how much ram can it handle? |
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| 14:18.35 | bahadunn | Jemt: I think ram will be your problem |
| 14:18.39 | Jemt | bahadunn: 1 or 2 GB as far as I remember. But I only need 512 MB :) |
| 14:18.39 | gonzaloaf | enouf, lm-sensors just read and print the state of the cpu and fans |
| 14:18.49 | Jemt | bahadunn: My current server is running on 256 MB Ram ;) |
| 14:19.02 | Jemt | bahadunn: PIII 450 Mhz, 512 MB Ram, 8 GB HDD |
| 14:19.03 | bahadunn | Jemt: I have 1gb ram on my system and I have run out before from mysql |
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| 14:19.11 | bahadunn | Jemt: I guess if you make it lean |
| 14:19.14 | dcnoye | what file controls static network settings in debian ? |
| 14:19.17 | bahadunn | Jemt: and if you dont care about swapping |
| 14:19.19 | abrotman | swombat: maybe rrdtool .. you'll have to read its docs to see |
| 14:19.31 | DustyBin | Jemt: what is your server used for? |
| 14:19.35 | debian_ | I run 600mhz 377mb nothing server |
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| 14:19.45 | abrotman | swombat: apt-cache search graph cpu .. or something like that might help you find something |
| 14:19.49 | enouf | gonzaloaf: i see - ok, well i know something can control the Fan speeds, though i doubt you want to slow it when it's saying the CPU is getting hot! and automatically cranks up |
| 14:19.54 | Jemt | bahadunn: Hm, you might have a point. Swapping is not acceptable as the entire system is going to be installed on a Compact Flash card |
| 14:19.56 | enouf | or Video Card gonzaloaf |
| 14:20.01 | swombat | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:20.12 | abrotman | swombat: or some varying search terms |
| 14:20.13 | Jemt | bahadunn: ... and I don't want to kill it with swapping |
| 14:20.17 | swombat | found this while looking for rrdtool http://www.cacti.net/ |
| 14:20.19 | swombat | looks promising |
| 14:20.23 | gonzaloaf | enouf, right now my cpu is at 54º |
| 14:20.28 | abrotman | swombat: that's another .. yes |
| 14:20.32 | debian_ | Jemt: Build an box with 64gb ram thenn |
| 14:20.47 | abrotman | swombat: or rather .. a frontend |
| 14:20.55 | gonzaloaf | enouf, and I'm just running xchat and iceweasel |
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| 14:21.09 | Jemt | debian_: That won't be necessary. 512 or 1024 MB is sufficient |
| 14:21.21 | debian_ | gonzaloaf: Does xchat do MSN? |
| 14:21.22 | Jemt | It's not like I'm hosting major websites |
| 14:21.26 | gonzaloaf | enouf, imagine if I recompile the kernel |
| 14:21.29 | debian_ | Jemt: Lot of ram is good |
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| 14:21.40 | debian_ | Jemt: Goole have 500k servers |
| 14:21.45 | gonzaloaf | debian_, what |
| 14:21.47 | debian_ | On one website |
| 14:21.47 | gonzaloaf | ? |
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| 14:22.08 | bahadunn | Jemt: check the system you have now |
| 14:22.10 | debian_ | gonzaloaf: What protokoll does xchat support? |
| 14:22.14 | bahadunn | Jemt: see if it is swapping at all |
| 14:22.16 | enouf | gonzaloaf: and on windows the whole system is cooler? |
| 14:22.28 | gonzaloaf | enouf, yes |
| 14:22.30 | Alp- | in which directory are the mysql tables normally? |
| 14:22.36 | Jemt | bahadunn: Yea, was planning to. Can't do it now though - I'm at the office :) |
| 14:22.38 | bahadunn | Jemt: you can also look at your processes on your current system and see how much memory they use to get an idea of what you might need |
| 14:22.45 | bahadunn | Jemt: no remote access? |
| 14:22.47 | enouf | gonzaloaf: and you can't tell if the heat is more CPU or VideoCard or even NB Chipset related? |
| 14:22.50 | bahadunn | Jemt: no sshd? |
| 14:22.51 | gonzaloaf | enouf, I say that because the cpu cooler is quitter |
| 14:23.02 | Jemt | bahadunn: Sure, SSH - but this is my working machine - don't what to use it for that |
| 14:23.05 | mbroeker | xchat supports the irc protocol. |
| 14:23.09 | debian_ | gonzaloaf: Does windows make your fan noise less? |
| 14:23.13 | debian_ | Amazing |
| 14:23.18 | enouf | hrm, are you sure windows isn't "throttling" down your CPU? |
| 14:23.20 | abrotman | Alp-: /var/lib/mysql/ i believe |
| 14:23.21 | enouf | gonzaloaf: ^^^^^ |
| 14:23.31 | bahadunn | Jemt: use it for what? |
| 14:23.38 | enouf | gonzaloaf: as in cpufreqd scaling? like SpeedStep ? |
| 14:23.45 | enouf | gonzaloaf: PowerNow for AMD |
| 14:23.47 | Jemt | bahadunn: SSH |
| 14:23.52 | debian_ | enouf: Can I make debian throttle my cpu down to about 40mhz? |
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| 14:23.58 | cirdan | ok the debbugs sources are on rietz, but i can't figure out how to get them in some scm scheme... |
| 14:23.59 | Jemt | bahadunn: It's bad enough that I use xchat ;) |
| 14:24.10 | cirdan | http://bugs.debian.org/debbugs-source |
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| 14:24.26 | enouf | debian_: no, but i can with a sledgehammer |
| 14:24.26 | Jemt | bahadunn: They don't pay me for working with my own server ;) |
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| 14:24.37 | debian_ | enouf: Please do! |
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| 14:24.46 | gonzaloaf | enouf, debian_ ,what I mean is that there is no reason that my cpu is running at the top frequency speed, because there is not application demanding that (apparently) at least that Xorg was broken |
| 14:24.47 | bahadunn | ohh I see |
| 14:25.00 | bahadunn | Jemt: they frown on you using ssh at the office you mean? |
| 14:25.01 | pand0ra | Hi, is there anyway to "clear" my memory on startup or shutdown? |
| 14:25.17 | wols | on startup it'S cleared by BIOS |
| 14:25.17 | bahadunn | Jemt: ah working on your own server |
| 14:25.23 | bahadunn | Jemt: yeah I see what you mean |
| 14:25.24 | Jemt | bahadunn: Yes ;) |
| 14:25.32 | enouf | gonzaloaf: something needs to control that though, and on linux, it's cpufreqd and acpi-support |
| 14:25.36 | bahadunn | Jemt: maybe you should go into business for yourself so you can do whatever you like |
| 14:25.42 | enouf | gonzaloaf: i have NO idea what windows uses |
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| 14:25.52 | debian_ | pand0ra: The ram does get cleared every shutdown, and reboot. |
| 14:25.53 | bahadunn | Jemt: cannot blame them for wanting you to work on their stuff at the office though |
| 14:25.58 | enouf | gonzaloaf: if AMD64 your BIOS should have options for PowerNow |
| 14:26.16 | gonzaloaf | enouf, I have a intel p4 3Ghz |
| 14:26.20 | abrotman | pand0ra: leave the machine off for a few moments? |
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| 14:26.41 | pand0ra | debian_: So when I do (strings /dev/mem | less} it's normal to get 5050642 lines of dump? |
| 14:26.54 | bahadunn | Jemt: this is your home server? |
| 14:27.16 | debian_ | pand0ra: How much ram and what cpu? |
| 14:27.51 | pand0ra | debian_: 512, its an Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz |
| 14:28.06 | Jemt | bahadunn: Haha, you got that right. I do have my own company though - not making a fortune on it though - but it's nice to see a company grow :) |
| 14:28.12 | Jemt | bahadunn: Yes, my own server |
| 14:28.35 | debian_ | bahadunn: I have an home server, my disk is encrypted |
| 14:28.48 | debian_ | pand0ra: Not sure, but when you reboot your ram is empty |
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| 14:29.02 | pand0ra | debian_: over time though correct? |
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| 14:29.35 | mbroeker | pand0ra, linux 2.6.x.y fills your ram efficiently. it can speedup things, because all the applications, you use, are still in memory. free -m shows directly how many buffers are really free. mem alone shows nearly everytime 99% load... |
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| 14:29.53 | debian_ | pand0ra: Cut the power to your computer and the ram is empty in the speed of light, |
| 14:30.02 | enouf | gonzaloaf: that's nice to know |
| 14:30.10 | tralala | debian_, no, it isn't |
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| 14:30.14 | bahadunn | Jemt: yes i know what you mean |
| 14:30.18 | debian_ | tralala: Yes it is |
| 14:30.23 | enouf | gonzaloaf: maybe i can stop guessing now? |
| 14:30.23 | debian_ | tralala: Elaborate |
| 14:30.33 | enouf | gonzaloaf: like laptop and amd4? |
| 14:30.35 | gonzaloaf | enouf, let me reboot the system to make acpi and cpufreq start to work |
| 14:30.40 | bahadunn | Jemt: do you run a business that does debian stuff? |
| 14:30.41 | pand0ra | the temperature depends on how fast it is erased also right? |
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| 14:30.48 | enouf | ok |
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| 14:31.34 | tralala | debian_, http://citp.princeton.edu/memory |
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| 14:31.57 | Alp- | abrotman: thx |
| 14:32.04 | wols | pand0ra: no. the time how long it can be read depends on the temperater |
| 14:32.08 | cirdan | yeah you can preserver the memory contents for a long time if the temp is cold enough |
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| 14:32.16 | wols | as I said: do a slow bios POST and the ram will be erased |
| 14:32.17 | pand0ra | wols: sorry that is what I meant |
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| 14:32.31 | cirdan | then apply new power and dump mem :) |
| 14:32.34 | pand0ra | tralala: Thats actually where I heard about this from. |
| 14:32.45 | Jemt | bahadunn: Yep. We have developed our own USB stick with Debian pre-installed. Just plug it in and you are running Linux in seconds :) |
| 14:32.46 | abrotman | pand0ra: or ask ##hardware |
| 14:32.58 | debian_ | Can I make an ramdisk if I want to? |
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| 14:33.18 | tralala | pand0ra, if I was you I'd trust this source over random people on irc |
| 14:33.35 | Cyorxamp | Hi I've got this debian based distro (not ubuntu, proper debian) which unforuneatly uses grub immediately after you try to boot from the CD. and my dell optiplex 320 _doesn't_ work with grub (many posts on that)... so I figured perhaps mount the iso as a loopback and isntall grub2 - i've no idea how to do this, so does anyone know? |
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| 14:33.44 | debian_ | pand0ra: I'd trus me instead of an bogus website! |
| 14:34.01 | tralala | !moron debian_ |
| 14:34.01 | dpkg | debian_: You are moron #61 |
| 14:34.03 | gonzaloaf | enouf, cpufreqd failed to load |
| 14:34.09 | Maulkin | Cyorxamp: When you say 'debian based'... what you you mean? |
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| 14:34.17 | cirdan | Cyorxamp: install debian proper then your custom distro? |
| 14:34.27 | Cyorxamp | Dreamlinux, its essentially etch - uses the same repositories too |
| 14:34.43 | wols | !dreamlinux |
| 14:34.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, dreamlinux is a Brazillian live CD based on Debian, <Knoppix> and <Morphix>. User forum is at http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/forum.html. #dreamlinux @ irc.freenode.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 14:34.46 | wols | have a nice day |
| 14:34.47 | pand0ra | Would I be able to shuffle whats in ram on shutdown? So that if someone physically got ahold of my ram blocks the memdump would be shuffled to read? |
| 14:35.05 | Cyorxamp | actually you've got the IRC channel wrong dpkg |
| 14:35.16 | Cyorxamp | it's #dream-linux apparently now, and its not very busy |
| 14:35.19 | wols | pand0ra: useless. either your zero it all or don't bother |
| 14:35.31 | debian_ | !moron tralala |
| 14:35.32 | dpkg | tralala: You are moron #83 |
| 14:35.34 | wols | Cyorxamp: we don't care. go there, not here |
| 14:35.45 | Jemt | bahadunn: What do you do for a living ? Linux stuff too ? |
| 14:35.46 | enouf | gonzaloaf: umph |
| 14:35.47 | wols | dpkg: you really are a piece of work |
| 14:35.48 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 14:35.55 | pand0ra | wols: alright thanks |
| 14:35.57 | enouf | gonzaloaf: does it conflict? |
| 14:36.04 | debian_ | dpkg: You are a bot. |
| 14:36.05 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 14:36.07 | tralala | pand0ra, don't get your laptop stolen |
| 14:36.12 | pand0ra | tralala: :] |
| 14:36.14 | enouf | gonzaloaf: you really need to read about that and acpi-support |
| 14:36.19 | Jemt | bahadunn: Hah, and the funny thing is; I'm actually a Microsoft SharePoint developer for a living. I just prefer Linux at home ;) |
| 14:36.20 | gonzaloaf | enouf, at boot I saw that message, now I have run it as root, and run normal |
| 14:36.44 | enouf | gonzaloaf: well ok, please read all abouit those tools |
| 14:36.53 | gonzaloaf | enouf, ok |
| 14:36.59 | gonzaloaf | thanks |
| 14:37.05 | gonzaloaf | brb |
| 14:37.11 | Jemt | bahadunn: Not working for Microsoft though - just working with their technology - Sharepoint, C# .NET, ASPX etc. |
| 14:37.41 | enouf | gonzaloaf: and when you go back into Windows, check out it's PowerManaging features and if it's doing/applying any SpeedStep to your CPU, check with CPU-Z ? |
| 14:38.02 | nomad_cz | Hi. Anyone using Debian + qlogic + SAN ? |
| 14:38.13 | wols | !tell nomad_cz about anyone |
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| 14:38.50 | enouf | gonzaloaf: i wouldn't think a p4 Desktop CPU would even have SpeedStep support - but what do i know ;-) |
| 14:39.13 | enouf | gonzaloaf: do the same for your Video Card and any NB Chipset Fan/Cooler |
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| 14:40.05 | wols | enouf: latter ones do. any ways to keep that heatmonster in check |
| 14:40.10 | nomad_cz | Ok. How to handle Etch + qlogic ISP2312 + SAN ? Is there SANSurfer or whatever available somewhere ? ;) |
| 14:40.20 | wols | rather ALL P4 have it afaik, Prescott and later have extended speedstep |
| 14:40.23 | enouf | wols: right- Prescotts are heaters ;-) |
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| 14:40.39 | enouf | egg-cellent! ;-) |
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| 14:45.52 | Torikun | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Windows_users_smarter_than_Linux?t=13297476 |
| 14:45.56 | Torikun | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Windows_users_smarter_than_Linux?t=13297476 |
| 14:46.10 | azeem | Torikun: no spamming |
| 14:46.12 | wols | Torikun: do you have a debian support related question? |
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| 14:48.19 | bahadunn | Jemt: I work with debian mostly |
| 14:48.28 | bahadunn | Jemt: even in my professional job |
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| 14:48.40 | bahadunn | Jemt: privately I work with debian and ubuntu |
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| 14:48.59 | bahadunn | Jemt: trying to get people to use more linux in my country |
| 14:49.03 | nomad_cz | How to handle Etch + qlogic ISP2312 + SAN ? :/ |
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| 14:52.36 | manu_hack | hi, on my HP laptop, every it boots, it resets the system clock wrong, is there some way not to reset the system clock at boot time? |
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| 14:53.18 | tacit | manu_hack: Using an ntpd? |
| 14:53.35 | wols | martian67: hwoclock --directisa probably |
| 14:53.43 | wols | then it will work again. it's in bootmisc.sh I think |
| 14:54.06 | Jemt | bahadunn: Sounds great! I like that :) |
| 14:54.23 | wols | manu_hack: when linux boots it gets the BIOS time with hwclock --hctosys and sets the system clock accrodingli. if that fails like it does for you probably: wrong system clock/time |
| 14:55.05 | bahadunn | Jemt: yeah it is slow going for me right now though |
| 14:56.36 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 14:56.37 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 14:57.07 | manu_hack | wols: it's a duel boot with vista, before booting debian the time is right, after booting the time gets wrong ... but on another laptop there is no problem, I'm confused |
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| 14:57.41 | manu_hack | dpkg: I already use ntpd, maybe the problem is that at boot time the laptop was not online? |
| 14:57.42 | dpkg | manu_hack: what are you talking about? |
| 14:57.50 | wols | manu_hack: do what I told you |
| 14:57.56 | wols | dpkg is a bot |
| 14:58.25 | abrotman | lies! |
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| 14:58.25 | ManuP | can i scale vpnviewer? |
| 14:58.25 | abrotman | manu_hack: check your UTC setting also |
| 14:58.25 | bahadunn | wols: dpkg is a friend to all |
| 14:58.32 | abrotman | AbsInTheSyringe |
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| 14:59.26 | manu_hack | okay thanks guys |
| 15:00.56 | Jemt | bahadunn: Okay, not that great. Hopefully that will change soon |
| 15:01.38 | bahadunn | Jemt: yeah |
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| 15:11.01 | enouf | wols: not sure if you meant /hwclockfirst.sh as opposed to /bootmisc.sh - but the former is an interesting script ;-) plucked this from there too /usr/share/doc/util-linux/README.Debian.hwclock |
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| 15:13.07 | Knight_Lord | Is there an easy command line to figure out the number of cores a machine has? |
| 15:13.19 | enouf | heh; # Common "vilains" are: ntp, MS Windows, the BIOS Setup |
| 15:13.19 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:14.10 | enouf | Knight_Lord: er, as opposed to whether it's a Dual Socket or Intels with HT ? |
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| 15:15.16 | wols | enouf: guess I misremembered. thanks |
| 15:16.02 | enouf | wols: np, interesting comments laced thoughout the /etc/init.d/hwclock* files |
| 15:16.10 | xsdg | Knight_Lord: look in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 15:17.04 | enouf | xsdg: i'm thinking he needs a way to also get the serial # or GUID of the CPU so that one can determine whether it's the Same Die or not |
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| 15:17.27 | enouf | xsdg: lshal, dmidecode, lshw, hwinfo perhaps - maybe dmesg |
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| 15:19.31 | enouf | Dual Socketed and Intel with HT also show as multiple CPUs, there's got to be some way to separate them out though - i'm also thinking about I/O APIC, especially pertaining to Dual Socketed |
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| 15:21.33 | xsdg | enouf: cpuinfo gives you enough info |
| 15:21.50 | xsdg | physical id : 0 |
| 15:21.50 | xsdg | siblings : 2 |
| 15:21.51 | xsdg | core id : 1 |
| 15:21.51 | xsdg | cpu cores : 2 |
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| 15:22.27 | xsdg | enouf: ^^^ |
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| 15:22.59 | enouf | xsdg: nice, too bad i couldn't check that with my super duper Pentium II here ;-) |
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| 15:24.00 | enouf | look, no fans ma! |
| 15:24.08 | xsdg | enouf: nice |
| 15:24.40 | xsdg | I've got a PII also, but it's not fanless (actually, I'm not sure about the CPU; I know the machine makes enough noise just given the PSU fan, though) |
| 15:24.48 | enouf | gotta a very nice spanking new coolermaster 600watter in it now, w/120mm .. very silent ;-) |
| 15:24.55 | xsdg | oh, and I can hear the hard drive seeking from across the room :o) |
| 15:25.06 | xsdg | enouf: very nice |
| 15:25.20 | enouf | aha ! i got a LOUD HDD .. but i quieted it ;-) |
| 15:25.26 | xsdg | though I'm curious how much stuff you'd cram into a (non-SMP) PII machine |
| 15:25.31 | xsdg | enouf: ball-peen hammer? |
| 15:25.36 | enouf | echo acoustic:254 /proc/ide/hdc/settings |
| 15:25.40 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:25.43 | enouf | er |
| 15:25.46 | enouf | echo acoustic:254 > /proc/ide/hdc/settings |
| 15:25.49 | enouf | haha |
| 15:25.52 | moshii | power consumption/performance must be pretty shity... |
| 15:25.59 | fireba11 | enouf : wth you need 600w for ? |
| 15:26.10 | enouf | fireba11: they were on sale ;-) |
| 15:26.57 | enouf | got 3x 600w New for 3x50 MIR + 18 Ship+Handle == Total cost after MIRs? $18 USD \o/ |
| 15:27.01 | fireba11 | enouf : since average efficiency is about 80% it's a rather bd idea to use a psu that is too large |
| 15:27.11 | enouf | nah |
| 15:27.13 | xsdg | enouf: holy moly |
| 15:27.20 | enouf | i had to CRAM it in there too ;-) |
| 15:27.26 | enouf | xsdg: i know, nice |
| 15:27.30 | enouf | couldn't pass it up |
| 15:28.02 | xsdg | enouf: heh, that makes me think of this AT case I had back in the 90s... it had a _massive_ PSU (~6"x8"x10"?) |
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| 15:28.07 | moshii | you could probably find an old, complete, machine for $18 that would piss rings around a p2 |
| 15:28.13 | XoX | is there a way to see the size of sata disks in /proc maybe? |
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| 15:28.20 | XoX | as reported by the bios |
| 15:28.32 | enouf | moshii: haha - but i'm attached to this one ;-) |
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| 15:28.53 | enouf | moshii: my p2 actually runs rings around many Celery 2.2GHz Dells |
| 15:28.57 | moshii | XoX: its in the dmesg output, though I think its in proc somewhere too |
| 15:29.00 | xsdg | XoX: /var/log/dmesg |
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| 15:29.15 | moshii | enouf: how so? |
| 15:29.18 | xsdg | XoX: for SATA stuff, though, you're likely to have better luck looking in /sys |
| 15:29.27 | iateadonut | what's the GUI program for configuring the network (e.g. setting eth1 to 10.0.0.1 gw 10.0.0.145) in debian? |
| 15:29.39 | enouf | moshii: by comparing it to Dells that run winXP |
| 15:29.41 | xsdg | iateadonut: gedit, emacs, vim |
| 15:29.48 | xsdg | iateadonut: oh, xterm |
| 15:30.03 | enouf | so, you're shipping me a p3 for 18$ ? |
| 15:30.14 | enouf | with no CPU HSF needed? |
| 15:30.24 | moshii | XoX: itll be in with scsi stuff at least.. |
| 15:30.28 | xsdg | iateadonut: really, though, it's incredibly simple. Check out /etc/network/interfaces, and `man 5 interfaces` |
| 15:30.56 | iateadonut | yes, and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:30.56 | enouf | XoX: try lsscsi, and look in /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 15:31.10 | iateadonut | there was a gui program but i deleted it when i deleted gnome. |
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| 15:31.30 | enouf | XoX: otherwise, try /sys/class/scsi_host/* |
| 15:31.47 | xsdg | iateadonut: it might have been part of gnome |
| 15:31.48 | moshii | iateadonut: probably a network manager frontend |
| 15:31.51 | enouf | XoX: lshal would also have the info, if not just dmesg |
| 15:32.23 | moshii | iateadonut: unless you need to roam just configure your interfaces properly |
| 15:32.28 | enouf | i guess Knight_Lord died xsdg |
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| 15:33.53 | iateadonut | would you be kind enough to tell me how to restart a network interface based on the information edited in resolv.conf and interfaces? |
| 15:34.24 | iateadonut | no. please don't. |
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| 15:35.27 | Dewi | iateadonut: ifdown and ifup? |
| 15:35.39 | iateadonut | yeah. |
| 15:35.44 | iateadonut | so just ifdown eth1, right? |
| 15:35.51 | Dewi | then raise it again |
| 15:35.56 | Dewi | it should pick up the new configuration |
| 15:36.22 | moshii | iateadonut: resolv.conf changes don't require the interface to go down, for future reference |
| 15:36.24 | iateadonut | yup. |
| 15:36.25 | iateadonut | just did. |
| 15:36.33 | iateadonut | yes, that makes sense. |
| 15:36.34 | enouf | i guess XoX died too xsdg |
| 15:36.40 | wols | iateadonut: ifdown <interface> ifup >interface> |
| 15:36.45 | iateadonut | moshii. thank you for volunteering that info. |
| 15:36.48 | iateadonut | i just did it. |
| 15:36.55 | iateadonut | i was suprised that i wasn't logged off irc. |
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| 15:37.19 | iateadonut | but, now that i know exactly how to do it, if i swear never to use the GUI, will someone recommend a GUI configurator? |
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| 15:37.57 | moshii | iateadonut: the only gui thing I would suggest for networks is network manager + a suitable frontend |
| 15:38.11 | XoX | yes thanks enouf moshii xsdg |
| 15:38.13 | iateadonut | network-manager-kde doesn't seem to work. |
| 15:38.21 | iateadonut | well, whatever. |
| 15:38.30 | iateadonut | why would i screw with that , right? |
| 15:38.35 | iateadonut | thanks, guys. |
| 15:38.37 | moshii | iateadonut: in what way does it not work |
| 15:39.07 | enouf | XoX: np |
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| 15:39.17 | moshii | iateadonut: you might have to add your user to a group to allow the frontend talk to the deamon part |
| 15:39.31 | iateadonut | ah. |
| 15:39.37 | iateadonut | i see. |
| 15:39.40 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 15:39.43 | iateadonut | and good night. |
| 15:39.49 | iateadonut | (it's almost midnight.) |
| 15:39.58 | Knight_Lord | xsdg thanks :) |
| 15:40.07 | Knight_Lord | xsdg but is there an easy way to parse cpuinfo? |
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| 15:41.04 | nomad_cz | How to handle Etch + qlogic ISP2312 + SAN ? :/ |
| 15:44.26 | enouf | wols: fwiw, if you recall me trying to help someone with a DVD mounting reading issues a bit earlier - truns out the idiot made bad burns |
| 15:44.40 | enouf | Knight_Lord: grep or cat |
| 15:45.27 | enouf | wols: so basically the punk ass lied |
| 15:45.28 | xsdg | Knight_Lord: grep, sed, and/or awk should be all you need |
| 15:45.40 | enouf | what else is new |
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| 15:46.39 | Knight_Lord | xsdg the problem is that the format is rather different between kernel version |
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| 15:47.01 | xsdg | Knight_Lord: oh, that's true |
| 15:47.31 | squidly | does anyone know how to copy a package list from one box to another? |
| 15:47.34 | xsdg | Knight_Lord: maybe try some of the other commands enouf mentioned? or just figure out what versions you need to support and what the similarities/differences among them are? |
| 15:47.40 | squidly | so I can have all the same apps installed on the new box? |
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| 15:48.34 | wols | enouf: doh |
| 15:48.38 | wols | enouf: don't they always |
| 15:48.51 | wols | I thought myself that it must be a bad burn. how did you find out it was? |
| 15:48.53 | Knight_Lord | xsdg this was just a quick fix for make -j in a script, i won't bother |
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| 15:49.22 | buscon | Hi, how can I extend my keyboard map ? |
| 15:49.37 | buscon | I'd like to add german vocals to my italian keyboard map |
| 15:50.21 | enouf | wols: i spent a lot of time over in the dev channel too with the fool - fortunately nobody else was around - the tard posted pastbins that expired in 15 minutes too |
| 15:50.24 | xsdg | enouf: you know what sucks? I _just_ (this morning) received four hard drives, and I can't install them because I have to do some work |
| 15:50.27 | enouf | Knight_Lord: $ lshal | grep processor.number |
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| 15:50.53 | xsdg | enouf: what package provides lshal? |
| 15:51.02 | enouf | which will ikely be available on many, but not all, of 2.6.16 or later |
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| 15:51.07 | enouf | especially in debian |
| 15:51.10 | enouf | lshal |
| 15:51.15 | enouf | pkg xsdg |
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| 15:51.42 | enouf | now, the issue with other tools like dmidecode, lshw, hwinfo, is many will not have them installed |
| 15:51.52 | xsdg | enouf: I don't see anything by that name in sid |
| 15:52.00 | enouf | but /proc/cpuinfo is always there |
| 15:52.24 | enouf | xsdg: sorry, just hal pkg |
| 15:52.55 | enouf | now i recall, udev + hal + dbus .. the trifecta :-p |
| 15:53.03 | xsdg | :o) |
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| 15:53.28 | enouf | xsdg: yes, not being able to get jiggy with your own toys stinks sometimes ;-) |
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| 15:56.35 | enouf | nomad_cz: wish i could help - have you read about qlogic in the kernel docs/code ? Pop "ISP2312" into http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/+search for ex - then try to formulate a concise question also |
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| 15:57.20 | enouf | nomad_cz: i don't know wat you mean handle -- there's no support for the qlogic HBA in Etch? |
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| 15:58.47 | nomad_cz | enouf: It works. But there is no support form qlogic so no SANSurfer tool etc. So I just want to know how others deal with SAN + Debian. |
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| 15:59.45 | enouf | moshii: even my 2.6.16 Debian kernel here ($ grep QLA /boot/config-2.6.16-2-686) shows these 2 params --> CONFIG_SCSI_QLA_FC=m # CONFIG_SCSI_QLA2XXX_EMBEDDED_FIRMWARE is not set |
| 15:59.45 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.27 | enouf | oh .. SAN, hrm, well, i don't know |
| 16:00.41 | enouf | my bad moshii , i meant nomad_cz |
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| 16:00.51 | nomad_cz | enouf: you can install firmware-qlogic and update initrd - it will work ok |
| 16:01.04 | enouf | nomad_cz: good to know ;-) |
| 16:01.09 | nomad_cz | enouf: but i do not know what tools to use to manage SAN ;) |
| 16:01.26 | enouf | got one for sale? say 2 for 12 dollars maybe? ;-) |
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| 16:01.47 | nomad_cz | enouf: Am I supposed to convert rpm from qlogic to deb ? or use something else ? how to configure presistent bindings etc ... |
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| 16:02.11 | enouf | nomad_cz: me neither - try ##linux, especially weekday mornings, er, like now to 4-5 hours ago .. |
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| 16:02.28 | enouf | nomad_cz: actually all day there, it depends |
| 16:02.42 | enouf | nomad_cz: rpm? |
| 16:03.03 | enouf | i never played with rpms personally nomad_cz |
| 16:03.04 | nomad_cz | enouf: qlogic has management tools but for Redhat/SUSE only |
| 16:03.33 | enouf | yeah well those are Corporate and MS+Novell backed products |
| 16:03.54 | nomad_cz | enouf: I could probably use alien to convert those packages but is it the right way ? ;) |
| 16:04.35 | enouf | well, i haven't heard many good things about alien - man kpackage maybe? ;-) (i really can't say) |
| 16:05.14 | nomad_cz | enouf: ;) |
| 16:05.18 | enouf | really odd - Man page says; kpackage is an application to install, remove and query packages in many formats, including RPM and DEB |
| 16:05.28 | enouf | never heard of it |
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| 16:06.22 | lindenle | KDE does not seem to respect my choice of disable multiple monitor full screen can anyone tell me how to force this? |
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| 16:07.00 | enouf | heh, /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kpackage/install.png .. funny stuff |
| 16:08.35 | enouf | lindenle: try #debian-kde perhaps, if you are indeed running Debian |
| 16:08.49 | enouf | otherwise #kde |
| 16:09.04 | enouf | they might have their own network, who knows |
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| 16:10.08 | enouf | lindenle: with kwin i do alt+space to get to TitleBar Menu -> Advanced -> Fullscreen toggle |
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| 16:15.24 | ignu | What is the best 'aptitude install' method of getting flash and java working with a fresh install of iceweasel (I'm running Debian 4.0 r2) |
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| 16:16.34 | ignu | I've been clicking around packages.debian.org and debian wiki and google and I'm getting mixed ideas |
| 16:16.44 | \amethyst | ignu: what architecture? |
| 16:17.05 | ignu | \amethyst: this noob doesn't know what that question means :( |
| 16:17.10 | \amethyst | ignu: i386 or amd64? |
| 16:17.15 | ignu | 386 |
| 16:17.38 | ignu | pentium-3 |
| 16:17.52 | \amethyst | ignu: so 1. make sure contrib and non-free are in your sources.list. 2. aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree sun-java5-plugin |
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| 16:18.30 | ignu | I've done the sources.list ... after I do #2, will I need to configure anything or should it 'just work'? |
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| 16:19.22 | mbroeker | ignu, aptitude update and step 2) will work |
| 16:19.29 | \amethyst | ignu: you need to restart your browser |
| 16:19.33 | \amethyst | ignu: after installing |
| 16:19.37 | ignu | mucho mucho thanks :-) |
| 16:20.00 | \amethyst | ignu: and as mbroeker noted, make sure you do aptitude update first if you haven't already |
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| 16:20.30 | ignu | yes \amethyst: thx |
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| 16:21.45 | hark | the flash plugin is available via backports instead |
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| 16:22.57 | karsten | enouf: Let me try that (synaptic lines). I think that that didn't come up w/ the last s2ram/resume session. |
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| 16:23.15 | karsten | Any way to reset the touchpad and/or video cardshort of a reboot? |
| 16:23.32 | \amethyst | hark: doh, I had forgotten about that, because I run sid |
| 16:23.38 | \amethyst | hark: well, I imagine he'll be back |
| 16:23.46 | enouf | karsten: no idea, sorry |
| 16:24.06 | enouf | karsten: wols seems to think the synaptic thing isn't an issue |
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| 16:24.56 | error0327 | i am writing a script that contain iwlist eth1 scan | grep Quality | cut -d "=" -f2 | cut -d "/" -f1 now if there is many routers in area then i get a Qualities a one Quality in every line so how to cut for example the line number 3 |
| 16:25.41 | \amethyst | error0327: sed -ne '3 p' will print line number three only |
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| 16:26.00 | error0327 | amethyst,thanks |
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| 16:27.28 | weiles | hi |
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| 16:27.52 | FLUXxXx | Hello! I'm writing a project for school about Linux. Can anyone help me with this:? Which are the criterias that differeces all Linux distributions? I was thinking about the package manager (rpm/deb/etc), the desktop env (kde/gnome/etc). What else? Give me as many as you can think of. THANK YOU |
| 16:27.53 | weiles | i get some Device: /dev/hda, 10 Offline uncorrectable sectors from smartd in daemon.log |
| 16:28.13 | Akatemik_ | FLUXxXx: Tried google yet? |
| 16:28.15 | weiles | the smart test=long resulted with no error... |
| 16:28.19 | Akatemik_ | Maybe even wikipedia too |
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| 16:29.02 | weiles | does smart post this message everytime a hard drive error occurs, or are errors posted again maybe? |
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| 16:29.44 | enouf | FLUXxXx: "differentiates" |
| 16:29.47 | Maulkin | FLUXxXx: go see wikipedia |
| 16:30.19 | enouf | he's asking in almost every channel |
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| 16:31.00 | \amethyst | FLUXxXx: type "comparison of Linux distributions" into Wikipedia |
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| 16:31.13 | wols | FLUXxXx: stop that spamming |
| 16:31.17 | vijay | hi |
| 16:31.39 | \amethyst | FLUXxXx: also distrowatch.com |
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| 16:32.15 | whitman | Is it possible to ignore certain file types when doing a cp -R on a directory? |
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| 16:32.31 | petemc | whitman: use find |
| 16:32.44 | enouf | and -exec |
| 16:32.57 | \amethyst | or find and cpio |
| 16:32.58 | whitman | I'll take a look |
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| 16:33.35 | \amethyst | I need to learn Pax |
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| 16:33.45 | \amethyst | after all, tar and cpio are obsolete :) |
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| 16:33.58 | enouf | whitman: http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind after you hit the mna page |
| 16:34.23 | whitman | enouf, I know how to use find, was just wondering if there was a quicker way with cp |
| 16:34.27 | enouf | Pax? ..oh no - someone will soon make a K-Pax , |
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| 16:34.40 | enouf | that wasn't such a bad movie |
| 16:34.56 | enouf | whitman: ok - great |
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| 16:37.19 | ignu | I did 'aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree sun-java5-plugin' then rebooted ... Java is working great but flash is not working. any suggestions? |
| 16:37.31 | themill | !reboot |
| 16:37.31 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 16:37.50 | themill | !tell ignu about adobe flash |
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| 16:43.14 | enouf | ok gurus, i got a babyAT p150 here, boot from cdrom, but very selective about which ones (win98 oem and DSL old burn) CDs do boot - now, i just threw a spanking new 80GB into it (yes, i know ;-) last one was 1.2GB O_o) i'd like to try and mess with debootstrap - now, what's the minimum i can have going on that p150 to use debootstrap across network? i have this PC and the p150 connected to a 4 port router, Yes the p150 has a new 10/100 PCI |
| 16:43.14 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 16:43.30 | enouf | s/boots* from cdrom/ |
| 16:43.56 | enouf | oh , the HDD is not yet partitioned or anything |
| 16:44.07 | enouf | am i Rube Goldberg here? |
| 16:44.11 | ignu | themill: thx ... from reading the dpkg, it sounds like gnash still doesn't have a plugin for Iceweasel, therefore there wouldn't be a 'aptitude install' plugin? Sorry for my noob ignorance, but sometimes I have trouble coming to the correct concludion in these matters. |
| 16:45.02 | fbt | hello i have a question about the fglrx ati propietary driver on lenny |
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| 16:45.18 | \amethyst | ignu: mozilla-plugin-gnash should work with iceweasel |
| 16:45.20 | enouf | (BTW - the 80GB has limiter jumpers i can use should i need to) |
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| 16:45.23 | themill | ignu: I've never used gnash so I can't really tell you. I use the adobe flash plugin from backports.org on my etch boxes. |
| 16:45.31 | enouf | i just can't read the small fine print O_o |
| 16:45.51 | \amethyst | ignu: you *might* need to set up a manual link for it, but I don't think you will |
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| 16:47.46 | ignu | I had adobe flash working before by following http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash and installing it manually. But now I reformatted my HD and am trying to stick to "The Debian Way" as best as I can |
| 16:49.41 | vijay | is there any cammand to disable data compression on modem? |
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| 16:49.51 | ignu | I'll try 'aptitude install mozilla-plugin-gnash' Do you think any conflicts will arise from having done 'aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree'? I guess I could 'aptitude purge flashplugin-nonfree' first |
| 16:50.03 | karsten | enouf: Yeah, I've got my suspicions on that too. |
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| 16:50.44 | karsten | Everything was working great yesterday. Ran s2disk at work, attempted to restart X at home, and it's failing. T42p laptop I've been using for 6-9 months. |
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| 16:51.12 | enouf | karsten: ahh, oh well, then that changes almost everything ;-) |
| 16:51.40 | enouf | corrupt hibernation file karsten ? |
| 16:51.49 | enouf | karsten: are you using swap for that? |
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| 16:52.21 | karsten | Yes, swap. |
| 16:52.36 | karsten | Commenting out Synaptics or the InputDevice stanza gives no screens found. |
| 16:52.58 | enouf | karsten: well, i would swapoff; dd over swap ; mkswap it ; swapon ;-) |
| 16:53.11 | karsten | Er, correction: s2ram, at work. I also tried an s2disk to try a cold boot and resetting everything. |
| 16:53.23 | enouf | ahhh .. heh |
| 16:53.29 | karsten | I'd supsect that if I had a corrupted suspend file I'd have seen other issues anyway. |
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| 16:53.55 | karsten | So, no, the swap issue wouldn't have caused it. |
| 16:54.14 | enouf | really though, every now and then, i wipe my swap with zeros ;-) |
| 16:54.36 | enouf | it's way on the innermost part of platter on this old tired 8.4GB |
| 16:55.04 | karsten | What's really weird is that I *do* get the herringbone pattern after I ^C X. Run as 'X' from console as root. |
| 16:55.18 | karsten | .... it appears for just a second or so, then is killed. |
| 16:55.28 | karsten | So it seems that something's hanging up the start. |
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| 16:56.50 | BadRobot | is it FrostWire any good? |
| 16:57.00 | karsten | I don't see any log messages WRT the Synaptics device, but did recall seeing something in the suspend/resume messages. |
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| 16:57.12 | karsten | !tell BadRobot about polls. |
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| 16:58.05 | zarac | if i've blocked a 2 octet ip serie.. like so '$IPTABLES -A INPUT -s 83.233.0.0/16 -j DROP' ... how can i make an exception to it? |
| 16:58.28 | tacit | zarac: an accept before that? |
| 16:58.36 | zarac | $IPTABLES -A INPUT -s 83.233.23.23 -j ACCEPT |
| 16:58.42 | zarac | something like that? before? not after? |
| 16:58.50 | tacit | zarac: before. |
| 16:58.55 | zarac | ok.. thanks |
| 16:59.14 | zarac | is that correct btw? i'm bad with iptables.. well.. network in whole tbh =D |
| 17:01.32 | openros | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:04.09 | mooper | whats the command that shows disk usage info for your working directory? |
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| 17:04.56 | peppe | mooper: Disk Usage -> du |
| 17:05.14 | cire | is there some way to forward sound via sth. like xdmcp? I mean, is it possible to also forward the server's sound output to a thin client? |
| 17:05.23 | XoX | is there a special directory where one should dump 3rd party kernel modules in /lib/modules/kernel-version/ |
| 17:05.43 | peppe | cire: nas? |
| 17:06.06 | peppe | XoX: maybe /lib/modules/kernelversion/extra/ |
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| 17:06.34 | XoX | bah , the 3rd party Makefile put it in the native location |
| 17:06.43 | XoX | kernel/drivers/net per example |
| 17:06.48 | XoX | it's a nic driver |
| 17:06.49 | cire | pepp: network audio system? |
| 17:06.53 | cire | sorry, peppe |
| 17:07.00 | cire | I'll have a look at this |
| 17:07.02 | cire | thank you |
| 17:07.04 | \amethyst | cire: NAS (yes, network audio system), jack, and pulseaudio all support forwarding sound |
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| 17:07.24 | cire | okay, thank you guys |
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| 17:07.56 | openros | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.13 | peppe | XoX: what's the problem in putting the module there? |
| 17:08.18 | XoX | nothing |
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| 17:10.15 | dutchfish | hi, i compiled rt2500 modules and installed them, configured the wifi card with iwconfig in a bridge as ad-hoc, can connect wirelessly, but not even why packet goes through, tcpdump reveals zilch, what did i do wrong, or what am i missing? |
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| 17:11.34 | Supaplex | dutchfish: some wifi chipsets disallow mac address spoofing, and thus prevent bridging. maybe that has something to do with it. |
| 17:12.00 | dutchfish | Supaplex, oh wow, didnt think of that one, how can i check that? |
| 17:12.18 | Supaplex | openros: man ssh, see VERIFYING HOST KEYS. your ssh client has recorded a previous key that doesn't match, indicating a possible spoof attack |
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| 17:12.48 | dutchfish | Supaplex, or better how to disable it? |
| 17:12.49 | Supaplex | dutchfish: not sure actually :) |
| 17:12.51 | ManuP | mooper, du -hca | tail -n1 |
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| 17:13.46 | Supaplex | dutchfish: this is either hardware, or firmware level. if hardware is enforcing it, you're SOL. likewise with firmware unless you can upload less restrictive firmware |
| 17:14.03 | dutchfish | Supaplex, from within the bridge i can ping UG and local (cabled) lan, but not wireless, and of coarse dhcp isnt done to the wlan clients |
| 17:14.55 | dutchfish | Supaplex, this card doesnt support master mode, so i think i am screwed |
| 17:15.03 | openros | but ssh works well |
| 17:15.11 | openros | oly scp is making the problem |
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| 17:15.43 | dutchfish | Supaplex, and it also cant do better then 11mb in ad-hoc mode |
| 17:15.44 | openros | i removed the contents knownhost in both systems and tried again, again the same problem' |
| 17:16.07 | openros | Supaplex, help me |
| 17:16.26 | dutchfish | Supaplex, ok, i give up on this one, wich one support master mode in 55G or N modulation under debian? |
| 17:16.26 | Supaplex | openros: paste the entire error at http://rafb.net/paste |
| 17:17.30 | openros | yes i will |
| 17:17.38 | Supaplex | dutchfish: I don't have a list. I was saying "some". wish I had a better resource for you. I don't know of one that's suppose to work in the modes you want :) |
| 17:18.26 | dutchfish | Supaplex, at least i know for sure 54G in master mode is possible, the newer mimo 100mbit models prolly to early |
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| 17:18.55 | dutchfish | Supaplex, but thank you so far for the hints! |
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| 17:20.07 | dutchfish | Supaplex, my old prism 2.5 does all this but at best 22mbit |
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| 17:20.27 | Supaplex | I had a wireless router I tore appart for the mini pci card (because they're generally the same, but cheaper this way). that was a while ago, and I've already got rid of that. |
| 17:20.36 | RULY | how can i make my usb headset to work? |
| 17:20.44 | zarac | tacit it worked great btw.. thanks a lot |
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| 17:21.03 | cahoot | snd-usb-audio usually does the trick RULY |
| 17:21.05 | openros | i have pasted http://rafb.net/p/5htbBk64.html |
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| 17:21.20 | RULY | cahoot, do i type that in terminal? |
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| 17:21.42 | cahoot | RULY: I suspect it's loaded automagically |
| 17:22.05 | RULY | cahoot, if its not how can i make it to? |
| 17:22.12 | RULY | i type lsmod and its not there |
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| 17:22.24 | cahoot | RULY: compiled your own kernel? |
| 17:22.34 | openros | Suspaplex, |
| 17:22.44 | RULY | cahoot, no |
| 17:22.49 | openros | in verbose mode , http://rafb.net/p/hPsJiB53.html |
| 17:22.53 | openros | help me |
| 17:23.01 | cahoot | RULY: try modprobe snd-usb-audio |
| 17:23.53 | RULY | cahoot, now it does appear on lsmod |
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| 17:24.06 | RULY | but how can i make it run on startup? |
| 17:24.13 | cahoot | RULY: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 17:24.24 | cahoot | the headset listed? |
| 17:24.27 | RULY | cahoot, i dont have that directory |
| 17:24.50 | Supaplex | openros: how's it work if you rename ~/.ssh out of the way? |
| 17:24.57 | RULY | cahoot, forget what i just said, i do have it, and yes its listed |
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| 17:25.52 | openros | means ? |
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| 17:26.54 | openros | if i delete the contents of the known_hosts file, it will ask for an yes |
| 17:26.55 | Supaplex | openros: mv ~/.ssh ~/.ssh-old |
| 17:26.56 | cahoot | RULY: what debian version is this? |
| 17:27.01 | openros | and then ask for the password |
| 17:27.11 | RULY | cahoot, debian etch |
| 17:27.25 | cahoot | RULY: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one card listed? |
| 17:27.50 | zarac | how long does it usually take between releases? .. i mean.. for lenny to become stable |
| 17:27.59 | RULY | cahoot, 0 [Headset ]: USB-Audio - Plantronics Headset |
| 17:28.00 | RULY | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.26 | cahoot | RULY: run speaker-test |
| 17:28.29 | RULY | cahoot, inow they work, but how can i make it run the snd_usb module by default? |
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| 17:28.40 | openros | The authenticity of host '172.16.0.2 (172.16.0.2)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is b9:48:fd:29:47:09:7b:b4:88:0f:a4:4a:cb:73:3f:2a. |
| 17:28.44 | openros | Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? |
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| 17:28.57 | openros | again if i give yes, it asks my password again the same error |
| 17:29.28 | RULY | cahoot, that did nothing, but im hearing my video from youtube now |
| 17:29.36 | Supaplex | openros: are you running ssh-agent? I don't know why you see this error still. |
| 17:29.52 | RULY | so it worked, but seems to not be running the usb sound module automaticlly |
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| 17:30.47 | Ergo^ | hello again |
| 17:30.51 | cahoot | RULY: you can simply put the modulename in /etc/modules |
| 17:31.15 | Ergo^ | i was asking about those things earlier at work, but now i sit in fron of machine |
| 17:31.24 | cahoot | RULY: how do you know - rebooted already to test? |
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| 17:31.30 | RULY | cahoot, ill surely do that, im going to try it, restart and i come here to tell u if it worked, brb |
| 17:31.37 | Ergo^ | can someone help me install nvidia drivers on etch for gf8800gts ? |
| 17:31.52 | RULY | cahoot, i think, because i rebooted it once, and i typed lsmod and wasnt there |
| 17:32.08 | Supaplex | !tell Ergo^ -about nvidia |
| 17:32.13 | cahoot | after editing /etc/modules? |
| 17:33.03 | Ergo^ | Supaplex: i tried once but got info here that i need to backport things from sid to run such a new adapter, and thats black magic for now |
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| 17:34.05 | themill | !tell zarac about lenny |
| 17:34.13 | zarac | thanks =D |
| 17:34.14 | RULY | cahoot, do i have to add in modules "modprobe snd-usb-audio" or just "snd-usb-audio"? |
| 17:34.14 | subsume | SSH boots me out after a short amount of time. How can I fix this? |
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| 17:34.37 | cahoot | just the name |
| 17:34.48 | zarac | !tell me about lenny |
| 17:34.50 | zarac | (just testing) |
| 17:34.59 | RULY | cahoot ok brb |
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| 17:35.12 | Supaplex | Ergo^: oh, like <simple sid backport> ? I don't expect that to exactly work. I ditched all things nvidia, then used the nvidia installer. generally considered a bad thing. I'm using GeForce 8600 GT. |
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| 17:35.31 | zarac | i'm thinking of going to stable instead... was wondering how long i have to wait =D |
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| 17:35.37 | openros | ok |
| 17:35.43 | Ergo^ | wols: are you here ? |
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| 17:36.25 | plm156 | i have a dxr2 clone (auravision VxP 524) , an mpeg decoder for dvd, can i compile the dxr2.sf.net on a pc with 2.6 kernel |
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| 17:37.46 | Ergo^ | Supaplex: so what is bad with nvidias way ? it breaks after kernel upgrade ? |
| 17:38.25 | Supaplex | Ergo^: that's right. I'm thinking I'll try to uninstall it before I upgrade the kernel. then retry after. |
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| 17:39.27 | goretex | some one are know something abour chroot? i have a problem |
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| 17:39.32 | georgem | I want to install a newer version of a certain package on etch (which is only available in lenny). What is the safest way to do it? Download the .deb file and install it with dpkg, add lenny to sources.list and install with apt, or download the tar ball and build / install it manually? |
| 17:39.46 | waspius | hi.does anyone know how i can enable 3d acceleration to my ati radeon 345m? |
| 17:39.49 | thelostbutler | georgem: check backports first |
| 17:39.59 | georgem | thelostbutler: ok. I will. |
| 17:40.05 | goretex | georgem you can compileinside a jail |
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| 17:40.25 | goretex | some one are know something abour chroot? i have a problem.... |
| 17:40.40 | thelostbutler | goretex: what is the problem ? |
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| 17:41.08 | Supaplex | !tell georgem -about simple sid backport |
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| 17:41.22 | Supaplex | !tell goretex -about ask |
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| 17:41.41 | goretex | my problem is chroot to a debian partition and ping www.google.com it says unknow host... but in my debian chroot (with deboostrap) can go to internet |
| 17:41.55 | RULY | cahoot, thx a lot, it worked :), now i have a nother question, my inline volume control dont work, is that a common problem with headsets in linux? |
| 17:41.56 | goretex | sorry on lenny |
| 17:42.08 | dclarke | question : how many software packages does apt-get have access to in the current catalog ? |
| 17:42.10 | Supaplex | goretex: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:42.17 | cahoot | RULY: did you ever install alsa-utils? |
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| 17:42.36 | RULY | cahoot, i dont think so :) only alsa |
| 17:42.40 | RULY | i think |
| 17:42.52 | cahoot | RULY: by inline you mean what? |
| 17:43.02 | RULY | the control volume on the cable headset |
| 17:43.18 | RULY | the control volume on the cable of the headset |
| 17:43.20 | cahoot | RULY: works fine here with my plantronics |
| 17:43.31 | RULY | cahoot, u have gamecom pro 1? |
| 17:43.36 | cahoot | no |
| 17:43.56 | RULY | well i guess it doesnt matter, how u make it worked? |
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| 17:44.08 | cahoot | RULY: *just worked' |
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| 17:44.37 | RULY | cahoot, u use debian etch also? and if u use another one, would that make any difference? |
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| 17:45.08 | cahoot | RULY: worked fine in etch as well as other debian vesrions |
| 17:45.21 | goretex | Supaplex: yeap... than i think thar are allready but now.. |
| 17:45.22 | goretex | thanx |
| 17:45.26 | RULY | cahoot, so then i have to install alsa-utils |
| 17:45.35 | debian_ | goretex: You are a shoe! |
| 17:45.37 | Ergo^ | can anyone else elaborate how should i install my graphics drivers if blind following the nvidiaguide wont work on such new hardware ? |
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| 17:45.51 | lynucs | hello |
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| 17:46.30 | debian_ | Ergo^: Nvidia cant make software, they only pretend to |
| 17:46.38 | RULY | cahoot, im checking and i already have it installed? don u know what might be happening then? |
| 17:46.48 | Supaplex | debian_: how insightful. |
| 17:46.52 | cahoot | RULY: no not really |
| 17:47.08 | RULY | cahoot, ok no problem, thx a lot ;) |
| 17:47.09 | debian_ | Supaplex: It is true! |
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| 17:47.16 | Ergo^ | debian_: still it would be good to have the drivers working, of any kind that would have decend 3d acceletation |
| 17:47.18 | cahoot | RULY: no problem |
| 17:47.45 | debian_ | Ergo^: It is difficult to get bad software to work. |
| 17:47.54 | goretex | debian_: what ?! |
| 17:48.04 | cvn | hi i created a tarball on a server, and used it on another server to unpack it. however there's a timestamp error saying "time stamp 2008-03-05 01:09:34 is 26620.682152125 s in the future". both servers have correct time, but they are just in a different timezone. how do i solve it? |
| 17:48.15 | cahoot | RULY: but I find it a bit strange the system didn't load the module by itself - maybe indicates you headset isn't fully supported/recognized |
| 17:48.16 | debian_ | goretex: goretex is an material used in my shoes. |
| 17:48.31 | Supaplex | cvn: do they both compare with date -u ? |
| 17:48.34 | cvn | hehe goretex is expensive! |
| 17:48.42 | Ergo^ | debian_: maybe , thats is not really helpful, if you have a better idea im listening :] |
| 17:49.06 | goretex | yes is a tela in spanish that dont permit to vapour get in but, but go out yes |
| 17:49.07 | cvn | Supaplex, a difference of 1 minute |
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| 17:49.23 | goretex | people very thanx for the help |
| 17:49.26 | cvn | hehe i hope i can have a goretex adidas shoe :D |
| 17:49.30 | wols | Ergo^: yes |
| 17:49.35 | debian_ | Ergo^: Talk to the nouvea project, they are making open Nvidia drivers |
| 17:49.43 | RULY | cahoot, well that could be one reason, because when i load the alsaconf, dont show my usb audio, i mean the usb sound card, although the device is listed on lsusb |
| 17:50.14 | Supaplex | cvn: and what about the files on disk? you might have to play with TZ= |
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| 17:50.23 | Ergo^ | wols, would you find a second to guide me thu that gf8800 installation? |
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| 17:51.10 | Ergo^ | you gave me some pointers when i was at work today but its a bit steep for someone who is using debian for the first time |
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| 17:51.25 | wols | !tell Ergo^ about simple sid backport |
| 17:51.26 | cvn | ah yeah! Supaplex. that solve the problem. some of the files have very different time because i just set it to standardise just now |
| 17:51.31 | cvn | how do i make all files having the same time? |
| 17:51.42 | Supaplex | cvn: man touch |
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| 17:52.01 | Ergo^ | wols: i know that but its not very meaningful to me sorry :/ |
| 17:52.21 | wols | ask specific questions and ask the whole channel |
| 17:52.24 | wols | not specific people |
| 17:52.27 | wols | !tell Ergo^ about fish |
| 17:53.04 | debian_ | wols: What is fish? |
| 17:53.13 | cvn | Supaplex thanks! but there's a problem, there's lots of folder. do i keep on "touch *" for all the folders or is there a simpler way? |
| 17:53.16 | RULY | fish: thats a good one |
| 17:53.18 | RULY | hehe |
| 17:53.25 | wols | debian_: /msg dpkg fish |
| 17:53.43 | debian_ | wols: oh |
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| 17:53.59 | debian_ | Somebody hacked my ssh, why is it so unsecure? |
| 17:54.13 | debian_ | And is openssh-server version 2+ |
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| 17:54.14 | debian_ | ? |
| 17:54.21 | wols | debian_: if you got hacked it is your fault there |
| 17:54.28 | lynucs | guys.. i have added a repository to sources.list... in the repo is a Release and Release.gpg.. how to inclde the gpg to trusted? |
| 17:54.31 | wols | currently there is no unfixed exploit in it |
| 17:54.38 | wols | so either your password sucks or your sshd is too old |
| 17:54.48 | chops | wols: No _known_ unfixed exploit :-) |
| 17:54.56 | georgem | thats for the info on how to create the backported package. looks like its working :) |
| 17:55.01 | debian_ | wols: Sure? I had a five letter password containg only lowercase letters. |
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| 17:55.02 | AcidTonic | So I run debian on many servers here at work for network management. Our systems team is trying to force us to run RedHat instead. I've done some basic googling, but curious if anyone could provide some high level arguments for network management in Debians Favor |
| 17:55.03 | georgem | thanks* |
| 17:55.06 | wols | chops: sure, but what is the odds that only debian_ was hacked? |
| 17:55.12 | cahoot | debian_: how did you decide it's 'hacked' ? |
| 17:55.15 | tralala | chops, no _publicly_ known unfixed exploit ;p |
| 17:55.15 | chops | wols: Very slim |
| 17:55.22 | AcidTonic | Really not wanting to be forced to run RedShat |
| 17:55.23 | Ergo^ | brb |
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| 17:55.28 | debian_ | cahoot: Someone messed with my files |
| 17:55.29 | Supaplex | Woot! sed in woody has no support for -i ? bah. |
| 17:55.36 | themill | lynucs: /msg dpkg apt-key <key-id> |
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| 17:56.14 | RULY | anyone here knows how to get the inline volume control of my usb headset to work(volume control on the cable)? im using debian etch and the usb headset works, but not the cable control volume as i said |
| 17:56.20 | chops | AcidTonic: I always liked "If you trust me to administrate your servers, you're already trusting me to make decisions and keep things running. Why don't you trust me to decide what's best for me to work with?" |
| 17:56.40 | cvn | is there a way to 'touch' all directories at one go instead of directory by directory? |
| 17:56.46 | Supaplex | AcidTonic: if I had to upgrade a server farm, debian would be most welcome. upgrade path is designed to be as smooth as possible. redhat plays the cut and run school of thought on each new release. |
| 17:56.48 | themill | RULY: see if it generates keyboard events using xev |
| 17:57.01 | RULY | themill ok im on it |
| 17:57.04 | AcidTonic | chops, agreed but these guys are trying to say RedHat is just as good |
| 17:57.14 | chops | AcidTonic: Are they administrating the servers in question? |
| 17:57.15 | AcidTonic | I've posted the usual apt vs rpm/yum arguments |
| 17:57.20 | RULY | themill, yes it does |
| 17:57.21 | AcidTonic | no my team is |
| 17:57.23 | Supaplex | cvn: find * -type d -print0 | xargs -0 touch ... |
| 17:57.33 | lynucs | themill: what ould be the key-id? the strng after NO_PUBKEY in teh apt warning-message? |
| 17:57.36 | Gnu_Raiz | 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. |
| 17:57.37 | Gnu_Raiz | . |
| 17:57.44 | AcidTonic | They say apt vs rpm doesnt matter from a network management perspective |
| 17:57.51 | Supaplex | cvn: man find. it might be best to only touch stuff that's dated in the future :) |
| 17:58.13 | chops | AcidTonic: I try not to play the game of "let me convince you why X is better for me to use than Y". If you refuse to play, and just make it a question of them trusting your judgement for how you can get your work done most effectively, you're coming from a lot stronger place. |
| 17:58.17 | themill | RULY: then you're in luck. You can probably just use the kde or gnome or whatever keyboard shortcuts to set it |
| 17:58.25 | georgem | after building the deb from sid how do I install it? Using dpkg -i? Or is there are better way? |
| 17:58.50 | RULY | themill, im not following you, what exactly im going to set ? |
| 17:58.55 | AcidTonic | I found some basic Deb vs RH arguments but I cant find much regarding to network management which is the only area I can argue with |
| 17:58.59 | chops | AcidTonic: There's not going to be a "why Debian is better than RHEL for everyone" argument that makes any sense, because for some people and situations RHEL _is_ better than Debian. |
| 17:59.00 | cvn | Supaplex yeah i set my time wrongly, it was set to the future, now i've problem in the untar |
| 17:59.05 | RULY | themill, a launcher or sc to what? im using xfce btw |
| 17:59.13 | tralala | AcidTonic, imo you should focus on their arguments about redhat and try to prove that there's no benefit in switching |
| 17:59.14 | AcidTonic | chops, I am with you, but this is a big company and the bastards already made it quite visible |
| 17:59.19 | AcidTonic | so now i have to defend my choice |
| 17:59.27 | Supaplex | AcidTonic: oh, okay. so mac classics vs real servers have no bearing either. right. :P |
| 17:59.32 | AcidTonic | we run redhat on all our servers |
| 17:59.42 | AcidTonic | they want 1 platform even though we admin our own boxes |
| 17:59.43 | themill | RULY: In kmix, for example, Settings->Global shortcuts->Increase Volume and then press the + button on your headset. |
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| 18:00.01 | Supaplex | AcidTonic: one platform is smarter to go |
| 18:00.19 | AcidTonic | but when this doesnt impact them and we have root anyway whats the point |
| 18:00.30 | tralala | AcidTonic, in this case you'd have to show that you're more productive using debian |
| 18:00.51 | AcidTonic | i just need better arguments against RH.... and yes the productivity is my best ally right now |
| 18:00.54 | chops | AcidTonic: Also phrasing it in terms of increased cost is good. "For me, it'll take X hours to migrate to redhat, I estimate Y hours to deal with problems in such-and-such packages that don't exist in Debian, each upgrade will take Z hours instead of Z-prime with Debian". Make it clear that you're talking about cost _for_ _you_, not arguing about Debian vs. RHEL in general. |
| 18:01.02 | RULY | themill, kmix has gnome or KDE dependencies? |
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| 18:01.46 | themill | RULY: take a wild guess.... |
| 18:01.55 | AcidTonic | yeah this battle is going to be difficult but hopefully I can keep my freedom here |
| 18:01.59 | tralala | AcidTonic, you can put an emphasys on the financial part - the expenses are always a good demotivator for companies. You'll need to attend seminars, spend (down)time in switching, etc, etc |
| 18:02.05 | chops | Supaplex: There's a balance to be struck. If one person/group/system is going to administrate a number of systems, there's a complexity savings to make all the systems the same. If two entities are administrating two separate groups of systems, there's a lot less complexity savings. |
| 18:02.19 | RULY | themill, i dont have any idea, i just started with linux 2 days ago :) |
| 18:02.28 | embkas | Earlier has knetworkmanager connected me to the wireless automatically, now I have to do it manually. Does anybody know why? |
| 18:02.33 | AcidTonic | except our systems are only about 20 or so. where as they administer well over 2000 RH boxes |
| 18:02.35 | craigevil | RULY: most kde apps have the "k" |
| 18:02.40 | themill | RULY: apt-cache show kmix |
| 18:02.53 | RULY | themill, ok now i see hehe |
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| 18:03.05 | AcidTonic | and like i said they wont admin any of our boxes, they just want them to be RH |
| 18:03.16 | chops | AcidTonic: Or you could try to turn it around -- ask them to do a business case for the migration. Ask _them_ what the cost savings to the company will be that justify the time and expense it'll take to migrate and to maintain the servers going forward. |
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| 18:04.00 | AcidTonic | I'm going to go for the cost route and hopefully can find other reasons for not moving to RH from a network perspective.... vlan tagging in the kernel, pkged tools more available for deb etc |
| 18:04.09 | chops | AcidTonic: You can provide the numbers for how productive you'll be in Debian and in RHEL. Provide honest estimates; if you think it'll be about the same, then say that, and just argue against the migration cost. Don't bring how unhappy you'll be with RHEL into it :-). |
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| 18:04.25 | embkas | Does anybod know what to do to get knetworkmanager to connect to wireless by itself? |
| 18:05.26 | tralala | embkas, uninstall it and configure wpasupplicant? |
| 18:05.27 | chops | AcidTonic: Listing packages that are provided (and security-supported) in Debian and not in RHEL is an easy, quantitative-sounding way of doing it. Ask them how they can be sure that they're not vulnerable to an exploit in one of their hand-compiled packages, and explain why you're confident of the security in your Debian-installed packages. |
| 18:05.31 | debian_ | Does really 50 million tons of E-waste come because of Windows? |
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| 18:05.55 | chops | !start an os war |
| 18:05.55 | dpkg | MVS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 18:05.57 | AcidTonic | chops, thats a great argument... |
| 18:06.19 | Supaplex | debian_: consumerism |
| 18:06.19 | RULY | this is some pile of bs XD, i finally got my headset to work but now i dont have any audio device listed neither in kmix, or the volume control manager of xfce... what did i did wrong, or atleast how can i fix this ? |
| 18:06.20 | tralala | indeed, security and package base is debian's stronghold |
| 18:06.21 | Ch0Hag | Can you use apt to install i386 packages on amd64? |
| 18:06.24 | debian_ | !mvs |
| 18:06.30 | AcidTonic | we ran into some production issues with redhats stock kernels not supporting the NOARP flag from ifconfig for load balancing |
| 18:06.34 | Ch0Hag | Or do you have to resort to manual dpkg? |
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| 18:06.51 | AcidTonic | thats the only real argument i have technically |
| 18:06.57 | tralala | Ch0Hag, /msg dpkg amd64 howto |
| 18:06.58 | AcidTonic | now cost is another beast |
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| 18:07.19 | AcidTonic | but they will just say we already have bulk RH licenses and we dont provide public services from these boxes so there is no cost for downtime |
| 18:07.35 | tralala | AcidTonic, handling security on your own implies costs |
| 18:07.40 | themill | RULY: also, /msg dpkg keytouch |
| 18:07.40 | chops | AcidTonic: If there's no cost for downtime, donate the machines to somebody. They're not doing anything :-). |
| 18:08.01 | tralala | hehe |
| 18:08.02 | Ch0Hag | dpkg doesn't want to talk to me. |
| 18:08.20 | tralala | !+tell Ch0Hag -about amd64 howto |
| 18:08.20 | dpkg | i dunno what is 'amd64 howto'. |
| 18:08.30 | vjsp | where does cron send its results to, considering I don't have mail programs and don't use redirection ? |
| 18:08.31 | tralala | meh |
| 18:08.33 | AcidTonic | we provide public data services in the automotive industry.... the "cost" for us to do it is less than the "cost" of production servers going down that bring us thousands a minute |
| 18:08.41 | RULY | themill, ok |
| 18:08.52 | Supaplex | AcidTonic: some business have a "security blanket" mindset when buying certian things. eliminating cost may not be what they're after. (eg, it might imply loss of support if something's out of their hands) |
| 18:08.58 | Ch0Hag | That'll be why then. |
| 18:09.11 | Ch0Hag | Anyway it'll probably just talk about setting up a chroot. Everything does. |
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| 18:09.27 | tralala | Ch0Hag, indeed, that's the only way |
| 18:09.39 | AcidTonic | I just need some technical reasons if there are any good ones..... we go all the way to mpls/vlans/osfp stuff like that. I just need to find things debian can do that RH cant out of the box |
| 18:09.40 | nictimju | exit |
| 18:09.43 | themill | AcidTonic: We went through this at work a while ago and one of the arguments was that rhel was better supported because it had a company behind it. But last weekend when I looked at some of their rhel machines at work, they still had the vmsplice kernel vuln present, so that's hardly a great argument. |
| 18:09.57 | RULY | HELP PLS: i finally managed to make my usb headset to work, but now i cant see any audio device neither on kmix or the xfce volume control, what can i do to fix this? |
| 18:10.08 | chops | AcidTonic: ... and sometimes what Supaplex says is actually the right way to go. If you leave, and someone else has to take over your network of machines, then maybe having them more familiar with the setup really _is_ a serious benefit. |
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| 18:10.33 | AcidTonic | chops, but personal productivity will suffer since our team are all debian guys |
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| 18:10.51 | AcidTonic | chops, well you've helped out and thanks. I'll try these routes |
| 18:10.56 | AcidTonic | Thanks for the help guys |
| 18:11.08 | AcidTonic | Hopefully Debian is here to stay |
| 18:11.13 | chops | AcidTonic: So put that in terms of dollars. Estimate, honestly, how much that inconvenience will cost the company (both in terms of training and in terms of lost productivity). |
| 18:11.22 | themill | AcidTonic: The other thing that I found was in the sheer size of the debian archive made life a lot easier than rhel. I needed some octave stuff and it was a pig to get going in rhel... it was faster for me to reimage the machine to etch and then install the octave-forge stuff (took 30min) rather than piss about for hours under rhel. |
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| 18:12.07 | chops | AcidTonic: Also, write something up and make it professional. One thing you'll be fighting against is the "Debian is little dirtball shareware, RHEL is big and professional" mindset. The more you can make it clear that you've thought things through clearly, professionally, and with the best interests of the company in mind, the better positioned you'll be. |
| 18:12.20 | chops | AcidTonic: Even though it shouldn't, making the presentation of the arguments very sharp will help with that. |
| 18:13.00 | Supaplex | cvn: over here... |
| 18:13.06 | cvn | sry |
| 18:13.15 | chops | AcidTonic: No problem. Good luck. |
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| 18:13.18 | cvn | i tried using this: find . -exec 'touch {}' \; |
| 18:13.27 | cvn | but it says ./tools/wrapper.c: No such file or directory |
| 18:13.30 | cvn | and many many more |
| 18:13.35 | cvn | where went wrong? :\ |
| 18:13.36 | debian_ | Can I set up an respitory so that it downloads the files the users want to apt-get? |
| 18:13.39 | Supaplex | drop the 's |
| 18:13.48 | chops | debian_: apt-proxy probably |
| 18:13.57 | AcidTonic | thanks again.... now off to work on my report |
| 18:13.58 | tacit | debian_: apt-proxy |
| 18:14.09 | debian_ | chops: Will it then be stored at the server to the next user? |
| 18:14.14 | tacit | debian_: sure |
| 18:14.15 | tralala | cvn, ..touch '{}'... |
| 18:14.17 | Supaplex | cvn: I perfer -print0 | xargs -0 because some files have spaces in them |
| 18:14.19 | chops | debian_: Yes. |
| 18:14.34 | debian_ | That will reduce bandwith usage? |
| 18:14.38 | blubberdiblub | Supaplex: '{}' does handle spaces and other mean chars fine ;) |
| 18:14.38 | tacit | debian_: Yes. |
| 18:14.43 | tralala | Supaplex, works just as well with -exec though probably slower |
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| 18:15.06 | Supaplex | ahh '{}' didn't come to mind. thanks :) |
| 18:15.15 | debian_ | So if I have a lot of disk space I can have 450 users on 4mbit? |
| 18:15.44 | chops | debian_: Depends on usage. Test and see, or estimate. |
| 18:15.44 | tacit | debian_: Yeeeees! |
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| 18:16.01 | wols | debian_: 4096/450 |
| 18:16.41 | tacit | debian_: In this case it's advised to run apt-proxy or even a local mirror. |
| 18:16.50 | debian_ | dpkg: 4096/450 |
| 18:16.50 | dpkg | 9.102222222222 |
| 18:17.19 | debian_ | tacit: What if my disk space is limited, 500gb? |
| 18:17.21 | tralala | dpkg, no, it's 42 |
| 18:17.25 | wols | that's the bandwith in kbit/s for each user if all are active |
| 18:17.39 | \amethyst | btw, you can use -exec touch {} + to get the advantages of xargs (multiple filenames per invocation) without xargs |
| 18:17.40 | wols | debian_: what do those users on your system? |
| 18:17.46 | wols | each on has a GB basically |
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| 18:17.58 | tacit | debian_: wtf apply common sense and see that this is more than enough by two orders of magnitude |
| 18:18.01 | \amethyst | it might not work in sarge, but definitely in etch and up |
| 18:18.15 | tacit | debian_: Think 3 DVD plus updates per release. |
| 18:18.20 | tacit | per arch |
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| 18:18.47 | tacit | debian_: Plus it downloads only needed packages. |
| 18:18.51 | waKKu | hi folks.. |
| 18:18.57 | vjsp | where does cron send its results to, considering I don't have mail programs and don't use redirection ? |
| 18:19.07 | waKKu | any alternative to sarpplot ?? (generate atsar graphics) ? |
| 18:19.08 | debian_ | tacit: So if I use PP, amd64 i386 I need 3*3 dvds? |
| 18:19.09 | abrotman | you don't have any mail program? |
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| 18:19.25 | debian_ | abrotman: Why would I? |
| 18:19.30 | abrotman | debian_: see debian.org/mirrors for size |
| 18:19.33 | Supaplex | vjsp: lost in space? run 'mail' from the command line. unbreak your mailsystem :) |
| 18:19.34 | debian_ | abrotman: And I do have one |
| 18:19.37 | abrotman | debian_: i wasn't talking to you about mail |
| 18:19.40 | tacit | debian_: If you feed the dvd contents, too, yes |
| 18:19.43 | abrotman | debian_: i'm not always talking to you |
| 18:19.52 | vjsp | abrotman: no, I dont |
| 18:20.05 | abrotman | vjsp: are you 100% sure about that? |
| 18:20.07 | debian_ | abrotman: Are you somone elses "little" helper now? |
| 18:20.16 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 18:20.40 | abrotman | vjsp: most systems have at least a smarthost mailer |
| 18:20.45 | abrotman | or local only |
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| 18:21.06 | goretex | people i got another question |
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| 18:21.44 | debian_ | Ho would send me this to my mail: Debian-Box : Oct 10 23:22:17 : debian : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/debian ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/gdmsetup |
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| 18:21.57 | valdyn | debian_: sudo would |
| 18:22.02 | goretex | i got nvidia 5200 anda lenny and my xorg eat 9.5% of 512 and grow up grow up ... |
| 18:22.04 | valdyn | debian_: thats a program, not a person |
| 18:22.13 | Supaplex | debian_: echo you@wherever.com > ~/.forward |
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| 18:22.14 | vjsp | abrotman: how can i be sure ? |
| 18:22.24 | abrotman | vjsp: so you have `mail` on your system ? |
| 18:22.30 | debian_ | valdyn: Can I install an spamfilter to delete it? |
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| 18:22.43 | valdyn | debian_: why would that be useful? |
| 18:23.01 | Supaplex | debian_: my bad. you have a typo or something, maybe I assume too much on your question. |
| 18:23.08 | vjsp | abrotman: no.. and 'apropos mail' gives answers that are not mail programs |
| 18:23.11 | chops | goretex: xorg's reported memory use is not always accurate; sometimes it includes mapped video memory which isn't consumed from main memory |
| 18:23.14 | debian_ | valdyn: When someone send me spam, I want to delete it. |
| 18:23.27 | abrotman | vjsp: well .. then your cron mails are going nowhere apparently |
| 18:23.30 | valdyn | debian_: its not someone, its the sudo program, on your own computer |
| 18:23.38 | debian_ | Supaplex: Where? |
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| 18:24.00 | Supaplex | debian_: "Ho would" ? 17:35 < debian_> Ho would send me this to my mail: Debian-Box : Oct 10 23:22:17 : debian : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/debian ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/gdmsetup |
| 18:24.08 | debian_ | valdyn: Spam is an autmagicaly generated message sent to a lot of people? |
| 18:24.14 | debian_ | Supaplex: Maybe who! |
| 18:24.28 | vjsp | abrotman: do you know if it's configurable ? |
| 18:24.30 | valdyn | debian_: what does SPAM have to do with this? |
| 18:24.35 | goretex | chops: top say that... but why grow up and dont free mem? |
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| 18:24.42 | valdyn | debian_: youre so very confused, if you would just READ the mail |
| 18:24.53 | abrotman | vjsp: you have no mailer .. how would you like to send it? normally crontasks that have output send via mail to either root or the owner |
| 18:24.58 | debian_ | valdyn: I had 18 messages like this, sent from some program that obviously sends spam. |
| 18:25.01 | Supaplex | or, file an abuse complaint to your isp, and watch them LAUGH their arse off at you. :P |
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| 18:25.18 | chops | goretex: Maybe it's got a bug. |
| 18:25.32 | vjsp | abrotman: i mean, can i configure cron not to send emails ? |
| 18:25.35 | goretex | chops : are rpung 50 mb of ram |
| 18:25.38 | debian_ | Supaplex: Then they will block all my ports again, that is boring |
| 18:25.41 | Archdevil | question: I want to switch from lenny to sid and changed sources.list. Now I get errors telling me that security.debian.org/dists/sid/updates/... do not exist. How should I edit my sources.list to fix this? |
| 18:25.43 | RULY | how can i edit sources.list in order to download the latest versions of the software, like xchat wich is currently in 2.8.6 and repositories have 2.6.8 |
| 18:25.46 | debian_ | And I get this alot: At EOF |
| 18:25.49 | valdyn | debian_: ill say it one last time: these mails are from a program called "sudo" on your own computer. They are informal, not malicious, not spam |
| 18:25.51 | abrotman | vjsp: yes .. you can .. but you have no mailer .. so i'm not sure what you'd like to configure |
| 18:26.05 | abrotman | vjsp: normally you'd set MAILTO=nobody |
| 18:26.06 | chops | debian_: Someone is trying to run a sudo command without being in /etc/sudoers. Your computer feels that you should be notified of this, so it's sending you email. |
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| 18:26.32 | valdyn | debian_: and most probably the guy that ran sudo is just you in person |
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| 18:27.01 | Supaplex | !tell RULY -about backports |
| 18:27.06 | debian_ | valdyn: I havent fixed the sudoers file yet, forgott where its at |
| 18:27.17 | Supaplex | debian_: run visudo |
| 18:27.21 | cahoot | RULY: you can't really - try the info in /mspg dpkg backports |
| 18:27.21 | valdyn | debian_: you dont need to know where it is |
| 18:27.23 | debian_ | chops: Can I make it send it to someone else? |
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| 18:27.32 | RULY | ok |
| 18:27.40 | cahoot | RULY: err /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:27.47 | vjsp | abrotman: that will stop cron from trying sending emails right? if i want it to send the results to a file, will i have to redirect every command or there is a "OUTPUT=file" sort of config? |
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| 18:27.49 | chops | debian_: Who would you prefer that it send to? I suspect you can configure sudo not to send those mails at all if that's what you prefer. |
| 18:28.09 | RULY | cahoot, err? |
| 18:28.10 | debian_ | chops: Send them to support@microsoft.com |
| 18:28.15 | waKKu | someone there using sarpplot to generate atsar graphics ??? need some help or an alternative to sarpplot ;/ |
| 18:28.16 | chops | Archdevil: There are no security updates for sid. Security updates just happen immediately like all other updates. |
| 18:28.16 | Archdevil | :-) |
| 18:28.20 | chops | debian_: Don't do that. |
| 18:28.23 | Supaplex | vjsp: you can use &> logfile |
| 18:28.25 | abrotman | vjsp: man 5 crontab |
| 18:28.31 | debian_ | chops: Why not? |
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| 18:28.35 | mikelo | hi |
| 18:28.40 | cahoot | RULY: I corrected a typo |
| 18:28.51 | \amethyst | debian_: you can set mailto="foo@bar.com" |
| 18:28.51 | mikelo | im encountering problems with a physically damaged HD |
| 18:28.54 | Supaplex | debian_: do, and they are completely in their right to file abuse complaints on you. they don't belong in support@microsoft.com |
| 18:28.55 | Archdevil | chops, so I can remove the repos, or should I leave them pointing to lenny? |
| 18:28.59 | \amethyst | debian_: in the sudoers file |
| 18:29.05 | chops | debian_: So step 1 is to complain about spam, and step 2 is to ask how to spam someone? :-/ |
| 18:29.13 | chops | Archdevil: Just remove them if you run sid |
| 18:29.20 | vjsp | abrotman: already read man. i would have to put this in every command, wouldnt I ? |
| 18:29.20 | Archdevil | thanks |
| 18:29.20 | abrotman | chops: 3) profit? |
| 18:29.23 | debian_ | Supaplex: How can I ssh tunnel the mail client to another ssh server? |
| 18:29.28 | abrotman | vjsp: very likely |
| 18:29.37 | debian_ | chops: Not send it to someone else, forward it. |
| 18:29.38 | mikelo | is there a way i can install debian avoiding the bad blocks? |
| 18:29.50 | abrotman | mikelo: there is a badblocks program |
| 18:30.07 | Archdevil | chops, thanks for the quit solution! |
| 18:30.09 | Supaplex | debian_: man ssh. see -R or -L depending on where the client is logging in to/from. |
| 18:30.10 | Archdevil | *quick |
| 18:30.11 | goretex | chops: maybe nvidia driver got a bug |
| 18:30.17 | craigevil | is there a simple way to have lynx output my ip address? like lynx -dump http://www.whatismyip.com | awk '/^Your IP is/ { print $4; } |
| 18:30.17 | mikelo | abrotman, you mean in the netinstall cd? |
| 18:30.18 | chops | goretex: Maybe it did |
| 18:30.28 | goretex | somone have the same problem? |
| 18:30.32 | debian_ | goretex: Not maybe, surley it has lots of bugs |
| 18:30.35 | chops | goretex: Checked the BTS? |
| 18:30.45 | FinnTux | any idea if virt-manager is gonna be in lenny? according to packages.d.o it is only in sid atm |
| 18:30.52 | goretex | chops:BTS what is that? |
| 18:30.54 | chops | !why is virt-manager not in testing |
| 18:30.54 | dpkg | virt-manager is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=virt-manager |
| 18:30.57 | mikelo | abrotman, i managed to install the system anyway but it frequently gives IO errors |
| 18:31.01 | chops | !tell goretex about bts |
| 18:31.13 | goretex | thx! |
| 18:31.20 | chops | goretex: np |
| 18:31.29 | valdyn | mikelo: you can give mkfs.ext3 a list of bad blocks that was generated with badblocks, see the manpage |
| 18:31.31 | FinnTux | thx chops |
| 18:31.46 | valdyn | mikelo: but that doesnt mean that you shouldnt throw the disk away and get one that isnt broken |
| 18:31.48 | chops | goretex: You should make some effort to make sure that it's actually a memory leak, rather than just useful memory consumption (or video RAM mapping) before filing a bug, though. |
| 18:31.49 | *** mode/#debian [+l 861] by debhelper |
| 18:31.52 | abrotman | !find badblocks etch |
| 18:31.55 | chops | FinnTux: np |
| 18:31.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'badblocks' (3): (/sbin/badblocks) in admin/e2fsprogs ;; (/usr/bin/mbadblocks) in otherosfs/mtools ;; (/usr/share/games/ketm/badblocks.bmp) in games/ketm-data. |
| 18:32.03 | abrotman | mikelo: personally .. i'd replace the disk |
| 18:32.13 | mikelo | tnx |
| 18:32.18 | debian_ | dpkg: Would that overwrite everything? |
| 18:32.19 | abrotman | mikelo: you might think it's badblocks .. could actually be failing firmware on the disk .. |
| 18:32.52 | chops | debian_: dpkg is a bot, not a person |
| 18:32.59 | DawnLight | !bot |
| 18:32.59 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 18:33.18 | blubberdiblub | mikelo: and some corrupt blocks may easily mean there will be more in the future ... in places you didn't foresee |
| 18:33.46 | mikelo | blubberdiblub, true but the pc is not mine :) |
| 18:34.14 | abrotman | "Sorry mom, all your stuff is gone" |
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| 18:34.29 | debian_ | Can I easily make an linux aplication? Is there any compilator, with qt I can apt-get? |
| 18:34.51 | valdyn | debian_: god, where are you getting all your questions ? |
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| 18:35.05 | debian_ | valdyn: good? |
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| 18:35.31 | valdyn | debian_: you can ask for pretty advanced stuff that would be solvable with pretty basic tools like "apt-cache search" |
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| 18:36.00 | debian_ | valdyn: So that you dont knwo the answer but someone can find it? |
| 18:36.12 | chops | debian_: _You_ can find the answer, too... |
| 18:36.12 | valdyn | debian_: so that you can find it yourself trivially |
| 18:36.14 | debian_ | I need an good compilator as my coding skills are bad |
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| 18:36.20 | abrotman | !tell debian_ about grounding |
| 18:36.23 | debian_ | valdyn: !fish |
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| 18:36.33 | abrotman | !tell debian_ about fish |
| 18:36.54 | valdyn | debian_: i know that factoid |
| 18:37.05 | debian_ | abrotman: I have read that, I'm fishing for answers in #debian |
| 18:37.41 | chops | debian_: Asking people to execute searching commands and then say the results back to you is not polite. Asking people _how_ to search, or asking for information that people may happen to know the answer to, is more reasonable. |
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| 18:37.52 | RULY | hi i got this error when "apt-get update" the sources list to backports "W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: Las firmas siguientes no se pudieron verificar porque su llave pública no está disponible: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 18:37.52 | RULY | " |
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| 18:38.26 | abrotman | debian_: no freaking read .. stop being so lazy |
| 18:38.29 | RULY | dont think spanish is needed to identify wich error is :) |
| 18:38.32 | debian_ | chops: I want to know about your expirience, apt-get search wont tell me if the programs is liked by you. |
| 18:38.37 | abrotman | !apt-key 16BA136C |
| 18:38.37 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C ; gpg --export 16BA136C | sudo apt-key add - |
| 18:38.47 | valdyn | !programming |
| 18:38.47 | dpkg | programming is probably another word for coding |
| 18:38.50 | valdyn | mm |
| 18:38.51 | valdyn | !coding |
| 18:38.52 | dpkg | it has been said that coding is something which is done by everybody but understood by nobody. |
| 18:38.57 | valdyn | bah |
| 18:39.05 | abrotman | !bah |
| 18:39.05 | dpkg | somebody said bah was everyone's other favourite word (see heh) |
| 18:39.12 | chops | He's gone |
| 18:39.15 | chops | I miss him already |
| 18:39.19 | abrotman | no .. he /nicked |
| 18:39.24 | chops | Oh |
| 18:39.36 | Supaplex | !nurse yzaLyzarC |
| 18:39.49 | valdyn | i think hes just trolling. |
| 18:39.49 | RULY | abrotman, whenever i got this kind of key errors how u know wich key is ? |
| 18:39.50 | abrotman | it's so you think it's a new person, and you'll answer more of his silly questions that he could have found the answer to by reading basic documentation |
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| 18:39.54 | chops | yzaLyzarC: I like gcc+emacs+make+libqt-mt-dev (or whatever). To find out what you like you'll have to do some searching and experimentation. |
| 18:40.09 | abrotman | RULY: last eight characters .. and by the way, the backports.org site tells you how to fix this |
| 18:40.09 | valdyn | or very young |
| 18:40.35 | chops | If he's trolling, the /nick trick is not very sophisticated (although I have to admit that it did fool me :-) |
| 18:40.52 | RULY | abrotman, hehe that was out of limit in my browser, it was some lines down :) couldnt see it |
| 18:40.57 | Ergo^ | when installing the nvidia-kernel-common package on etch (GF8800gts) should i backport it from sid ? |
| 18:41.18 | chops | Ergo^: Did you try the etch package? |
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| 18:41.55 | abrotman | chops: you're not very sophisticated .. now extend your pinky while sipping your tea |
| 18:42.07 | yzaLyzarC | chops: Can I apt-get it? |
| 18:42.22 | yzaLyzarC | Does it require configuring? |
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| 18:42.33 | Ergo^ | got info here that stable package is too outdated to handle my gfx adapter, im trying to follow the howto, got info that i have to port some things from sid but i dont know exactly what i can and what i should not do |
| 18:42.35 | wols | chops: 8800gts |
| 18:43.21 | valdyn | Ergo^: you dont have to port nvidia packages usually |
| 18:43.22 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: TRY IT AND SEE |
| 18:43.26 | wols | Ergo^: as I told you you should gt the nvidia-graphics-drivers source package from sid. nothing nvidia related from etch |
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| 18:43.39 | yzaLyzarC | abrotman: Scary |
| 18:43.40 | wols | Ergo^: can you tell me how to get a 8800gts to run under etch then? |
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| 18:44.04 | helpme | hi |
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| 18:44.51 | wols | Ergo^: your gts has 512MB RAM right? |
| 18:44.56 | Ergo^ | yes, get the source packages from sid, build backported deb from then, install it, follow the instructions on nvidiaHowto... this is what i had in plan |
| 18:45.01 | Ergo^ | wols: no 640mb |
| 18:45.11 | Ergo^ | its the older type |
| 18:45.11 | helpme | does the dm-crypt package support the via padlock engine? or must i build a new one? |
| 18:45.15 | wols | Ergo^: then I was mistaken sorry. then you CAN use etch nvidia drivers |
| 18:45.26 | wols | afaik at least |
| 18:45.43 | chops | yzaLyzarC: Sorry, you'll have to do more investigation than I want to hand-hold you through in order to do QT development. Good luck; read the docs. |
| 18:45.52 | Ergo^ | its not listed on packages.debian.org in adapter list |
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| 18:46.02 | wols | Ergo^: what happens if you install them? pastbein your Xorg.0.log and lsmod output |
| 18:46.12 | Ergo^ | for sure nvidia-oneliner did not work |
| 18:46.14 | wols | Ergo^: it'S in contrib and non-free |
| 18:46.19 | wols | !tell ergo about contrib |
| 18:46.27 | wols | Ergo^: and the one-linre did tell you about that |
| 18:46.27 | bobf | Anyone know what could be a likely cause of a huge amount of tcp activity on my (debian sid) router at the moment? It seems to be predominantly "arp who-has" requests. |
| 18:46.44 | bobf | I have two computers connected to it, one Windows, one other debian sid. |
| 18:46.46 | helpme | how can i find out how a package was build?? |
| 18:46.48 | chops | bobf: ARP is not TCP |
| 18:47.01 | bobf | chops: Sorry, I meant I'm using tcpdump. |
| 18:47.07 | chops | bobf: Are the requests getting answered? What IP are they for, and what's your IP configuration for that router? |
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| 18:47.09 | wols | helpme: get the source and peek in /debian |
| 18:47.15 | abrotman | helpme: get the source package and look at the rules file |
| 18:47.20 | yzaLyzarC | chops: I might not need qt for my project, I'm going to localize rtorrent |
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| 18:47.37 | Ergo^ | wols: maybe i screwed up someting since i was very tired, but when i got to x reconfiguration it could not find the adapter |
| 18:47.41 | RULY | i dont understand something cause my eng is not that good, to install from backports the only way is " aptitude -t etch-backports install “packageâ€"? |
| 18:47.48 | bobf | chops: I do not think they are getting answered, they are generally of this form: |
| 18:47.53 | valdyn | bobf: those arp packages do have a sender too |
| 18:47.54 | bobf | 18:45:48.936172 arp who-has 82-42-116-2.cable.ubr06.live.blueyonder.co.uk tell 82-42-112-1.cable.ubr06.live.blueyonder.co.uk |
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| 18:48.00 | chops | yzaLyzarC: apt-get build-dep rtorrent |
| 18:48.09 | bobf | Neither of those are my IP, by the way. |
| 18:48.13 | yzaLyzarC | chops: I have the files |
| 18:48.16 | ericpersson | is it possible to get the selection of package mirror in some way? |
| 18:48.21 | bobf | They are all in the 82.4.*.* range, which I am not in. |
| 18:48.31 | bobf | 82.42.*.* I mean. |
| 18:48.32 | yzaLyzarC | Can an underpriveledged user compile using gcc? |
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| 18:48.38 | wols | !tell Ergo^ about errors |
| 18:48.38 | abrotman | ericpersson: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 18:48.44 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: TRY IT AND SEE |
| 18:48.46 | wols | !tell Ergo^ about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:48.48 | ericpersson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.57 | ericpersson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.58 | chops | bobf: Maybe your routing is busted? It thinks that address is local (because of a too-large netmask) when it needs to be talking to your ISP gateway? |
| 18:49.04 | chops | yzaLyzarC: Yes |
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| 18:49.25 | Ergo^ | ok, i added the contrib and non-free to my sources, ill try to run one liner now |
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| 18:49.59 | uthersde | how it is possible to forward rootmails on a server to an email |
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| 18:50.05 | RULY | i dont understand something cause my eng is not that good, to install from backports the only way is " aptitude -t etch-backports install “packageâ€"? |
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| 18:50.27 | RULY | so cant i just aptitude install |
| 18:50.31 | valdyn | uthersde: you can directly change the destionation, see /etc/aliases for exim4 |
| 18:50.44 | bobf | chops: I have noticed that, e.g., if I type "ping jdksaljdklajdlkajksd" then it gives me responses directly from my router box rather than Unknown host. Is this related/ |
| 18:50.45 | bobf | ? |
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| 18:51.04 | chops | bobf: What IP is it trying to ping? |
| 18:51.17 | bobf | 64 bytes from 80-195-89-248.cable.ubr06.live.blueyonder.co.uk (80.195.89.248): icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.153 ms |
| 18:51.20 | bobf | chops: ^^ |
| 18:51.33 | chops | bobf: Well, that's not very good |
| 18:51.37 | bobf | Indeed. |
| 18:51.46 | Ergo^ | when i run one liner and it attempted to autodetect my vid card i got "no x server found for your hardware" |
| 18:51.50 | pakalio | Hi! somewbady nows a site where can I get Xgl for SID? (I'm boring an trying Compiz on XFC4 ;-P ) |
| 18:52.00 | chops | Has some root nameserver provider decided to start giving false positives on bogus DNS queries again? That happens from time to time :-( |
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| 18:52.15 | Ergo^ | before that i added the contrib and non-free and did apt-get update |
| 18:52.23 | abrotman | pakalio: xgl is not in debian |
| 18:52.36 | bobf | chops: It's probably something I've messed up. Can you give me any advice on a general direction to look/read up on so I can get to fixing this? |
| 18:52.38 | chops | bobf: Try 'dig -v jdksaljdklajdlkajksd' and see where that response is coming from |
| 18:52.44 | helpme | abrotman: where is the rules file? how is the name? i downloaded cryptsetup-1.0.4+svn26.orig.tar.gz |
| 18:52.47 | pakalio | I mean, an unofficial (but famous) repository |
| 18:52.50 | chops | bobf: Also, check that your netmask setting on the router is correct |
| 18:52.53 | Ergo^ | so what now? |
| 18:53.01 | valdyn | chops: umm? see his name and ip match |
| 18:53.02 | chops | bobf: Can I assume that your internet _is_ working despite all of this? |
| 18:53.16 | abrotman | helpme: in the debian/ directory |
| 18:53.17 | valdyn | chops: oh nevermind |
| 18:53.19 | abrotman | !tell pakalio about xgl |
| 18:53.32 | bobf | chops: Yes, it's been working fine for at least 3 months with this setup. And dig -v jkadlsalds returns: DiG 9.4.1-P1 |
| 18:53.45 | chops | bobf: Er |
| 18:53.51 | yzaLyzarC | How big is the linux kernel? Does it need more or less resorces than it dit 3 years ago? |
| 18:53.54 | Ergo^ | lspci is not showing my vid card nowhere |
| 18:54.03 | pakalio | abrotman, thx! |
| 18:54.09 | uthersde | how i could config ls that folders and files have different colors via ssh ? |
| 18:54.13 | snacky | bobf: sounds like arp requests on your local cable modem circuit. perfectly normal and nothing to get alarmed by |
| 18:54.23 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: neither, its more versatile now |
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| 18:54.47 | bobf | netmask on eth1 and eth0 (eth0 is my net interface, eth1 is my LAN interface) are both 255.255.255.0. Should the net one should be 0.0.0.0? |
| 18:54.54 | yzaLyzarC | valdyn: I meant the minimum reequirement, is it lower or higher? |
| 18:55.09 | abrotman | uthersde: it's already done .. unless you're root |
| 18:55.12 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: quite that same |
| 18:55.17 | abrotman | uthersde: ls --color |
| 18:55.30 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: why are you asking? are you using a system with 8mb ram or less? |
| 18:55.34 | bobf | snacky: Okay, just wondering why I've never noticed it before. We have been having trouble with our connection lately. |
| 18:55.52 | yzaLyzarC | valdyn: Curiosity, I want to know if it is getting more efficent or less. |
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| 18:56.34 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: sometimes speed costs space |
| 18:56.34 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: linux does that trade |
| 18:56.34 | Ergo^ | wols: i run the one liner and im in the middle of configuration where it failed autodetection, should i CTRL+C or try to fill that manually - it asks a lot of questions |
| 18:56.34 | bobf | Anyway, thanks guys, appreciate the help. |
| 18:56.34 | snacky | bobf: it doesn't really indicate anything is wrong. (not saying nothing is wrong, just that the arp requests probably have nothing to do with it) |
| 18:56.34 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: so this has nothing to do with efficiency really, at least not directly |
| 18:56.45 | uthersde | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:56.58 | yzaLyzarC | valdyn: If something can do the same as linux with lower specs then it is more efficent. |
| 18:57.07 | uthersde | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:57.22 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: sure |
| 18:57.24 | bobf | snacky: Yeah, I read up on ARP a bit before and I was just trying to figure out why one net IP would be sending an ARP request to this IP even though it seems to be asking for an ARP response from a completely different IP altogether. |
| 18:57.45 | snacky | it's not sending it to your ip, it's broadcasting it to your network segment. that's normal |
| 18:58.00 | yzaLyzarC | valdyn: So if you compare the old and the new one, what would you see? |
| 18:58.02 | snacky | and that's how arp works |
| 18:58.15 | bobf | Oh right, like DHCP broadcasts? |
| 18:58.19 | wols | yes, try manually |
| 18:58.40 | yzaLyzarC | How many coding houres did it take to make debian/linux? |
| 18:58.44 | chops | bobf: 'dig jdksaljdklajdlkajksd +trace"; that's what I meant. |
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| 18:58.52 | chops | yzaLyzarC: Ask google; someone studied it some years back |
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| 18:58.58 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: nothing , the old kernel wouldnt support my hardware |
| 18:59.25 | Nyle | hi |
| 18:59.39 | chops | bobf: When you're trying to find a machine, you don't know yet which machine to send it to, so it gets broadcast. That's why you see ARP requests for other machines. |
| 18:59.39 | Ergo^ | what should i do if configuring xserver org fails on autodetection of my graphics adapter ? |
| 18:59.53 | DawnLight | buy a different one |
| 18:59.56 | chops | bobf: I was going down the wrong path trying to understand; snacky is correct I believe |
| 18:59.58 | Nyle | !arp |
| 18:59.58 | dpkg | from memory, arp is the address resolution protocol, which converts IP addresses to MAC addresses, or man 8 arp |
| 19:00.12 | bobf | chops: I see. [a-l].root-servers.net, nstld.verisign-grs.com are mentioned. |
| 19:00.29 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: i dont know of any feature truely regressing over time in linux. |
| 19:00.30 | chops | bobf: Can you pastebin the whole output? |
| 19:00.30 | bobf | chops: Sure. |
| 19:00.51 | bobf | chops: http://bobf.jesus.ath.cx/tmp/dig |
| 19:00.55 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: and beside that, the kernels memory usage is totally irrelevant anyway on modern desktops or servers |
| 19:01.01 | Ergo^ | DawnLight: very funny |
| 19:01.05 | ceekay | i have a reprepro question if anyone is able to help or point me to a good channel to ask... if i am running my own reprepro repository with codenames, say "codenameA" is marked stable, and "codenameB" is marked testing, how do i move codenameB to stable when the time comes? |
| 19:01.19 | yzaLyzarC | valdyn: I meant its complete size on disk |
| 19:01.37 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: thats totally irrelevant |
| 19:01.54 | chops | bobf: I can't open that :-( |
| 19:02.04 | chops | !tell bobf about pastebin pipe |
| 19:02.07 | yzaLyzarC | valdyn: How big is it, I want to know anyways |
| 19:02.16 | Nyle | jesus? |
| 19:02.18 | valdyn | yzaLyzarC: a 5 year old notebook probably has ~40GB harddisk, the linux kernel takes with all possible drivers 1/1000 of that |
| 19:02.32 | bobf | chops: Sorry, try now, forgot to restart apache. |
| 19:02.33 | chops | yzaLyzarC: You can verify on your own disk for modern kernels |
| 19:02.40 | bobf | I closed it while trying to narrow down the source of all this. |
| 19:02.44 | DawnLight | Ergo^: not joking. what card is that? |
| 19:02.46 | chops | yzaLyzarC: For older kernels you can examine the old packages |
| 19:02.57 | Ergo^ | 8800gts |
| 19:03.05 | chops | bobf: Is that all? |
| 19:03.09 | bobf | Yep. |
| 19:03.09 | abrotman | if you keep feeding him, he won't stop |
| 19:03.19 | chops | abrotman: Yes, you're right. I should stop. |
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| 19:03.41 | yzaLyzarC | abrotman: Who is trolling? |
| 19:03.49 | abrotman | i didn't say you were trolling did i? |
| 19:03.57 | abrotman | if i thought you were trolling, you'd be gone |
| 19:04.01 | Nyle | I don't see nobody trollin |
| 19:04.12 | yzaLyzarC | Me neither, therfore I asked |
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| 19:05.01 | chops | bobf: And yet "ping jakdlsakdlsdjlkadlkjsla" tries a particular IP address? |
| 19:05.02 | Ergo^ | just updated pciids, trying again to run one liner.. but it still fails to detect the graphics card |
| 19:05.27 | bobf | chops: Yeah, it gets (obviously very very fast) responses from my router's net IP. |
| 19:06.53 | chops | valdyn: I am often amazed at how small the kernel (and Debian system in general) is. When I upgraded my servers to etch, it didn't even make a blip on the size of incremental backups :-) |
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| 19:08.40 | bobf | Anyway, I'll let you guys solve some real problems. :-) Thanks again. |
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| 19:09.33 | Ergo^ | hmm... can anyone point me to the rigt direction im affraid that if i reload x im in big text mode trouble |
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| 19:10.03 | valdyn | !drxx |
| 19:10.03 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 19:10.19 | valdyn | Ergo^: you can always do that dpkg just said and pick vesa to get basic graphics support |
| 19:10.44 | Ergo^ | and what if i get blank screen instead of prompt ? |
| 19:10.51 | Ergo^ | ( had that yesterday :P ) |
| 19:10.51 | jim_p | does anyone know whether debian uses Xdefaults or Xsession? (one of the two, but which one?) |
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| 19:11.18 | valdyn | Ergo^: before playing with your gfx driver you should switch *dm off |
| 19:11.21 | mkrist | I've configured my urxvt via ~/.Xdefaults, so it's definitely used |
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| 19:11.41 | jim_p | thanks mkrist |
| 19:11.44 | roaet | Hey there. Anyone know the easiest way to install write support for ntfs. I know of ntfs-3g but I cannot find it using apt-cache search 'ntfs' |
| 19:11.47 | mkrist | jim_p, np |
| 19:11.49 | valdyn | Ergo^: that is done by backing up /etc/X11/default-display-manager and putting /bin/false in there or whatever |
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| 19:12.06 | valdyn | Ergo^: that way you can cleanly reboot into text mode |
| 19:12.47 | valdyn | Ergo^: and have the option to start X with "startx" |
| 19:13.11 | Ergo^ | valdyn: too much at one im very noob |
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| 19:15.00 | Ergo^ | so far i added contrib, non-free to my source, ran one liner - it did its magic, at the ends it tries to reconfigure my vid adapter - and fails to autodetect , either vesa or nvidia |
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| 19:16.25 | roaet | Or.. how do I add unstable to my repos? |
| 19:17.10 | sordith | !mp4 |
| 19:17.11 | dpkg | i heard mp4 is a media container format that can contain audio, video, or both. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_14 for more information or ask me about <mp4 player> |
| 19:17.24 | sordith | !mp4 player |
| 19:17.24 | dpkg | faad can play/decode mp4-audio (a.k.a m4a) files; we don't know of an mp4 video player though... |
| 19:17.41 | themill | roaet: if you have to ask, then you shouldn't go anywhere near unstable. |
| 19:18.04 | roaet | I'm not familiar with debian. I am a gentoo user. |
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| 19:18.12 | roaet | but I figured it out. |
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| 19:27.19 | mbroeker | protoloco, if you use a dyndns account with wildcards enabled and your /etc/resolv.conf resolves to your dyndns hostname such things may happen |
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| 19:29.22 | Speedism | how can i see a list of packages installed? |
| 19:29.31 | mbroeker | dpkg -l |
| 19:30.10 | CalJohn | Is k3b able to burn a typical MPEG4-ASP/MP3/AVI file to a video DVD? Is there another program that can do this without me having to play with mencoder/transcode myself? |
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| 19:34.09 | ericpersson | am i the only one finding it hard to find stuff on debian.org? |
| 19:34.11 | abrotman | protoloco: are you confused why it works ? |
| 19:34.12 | jim | what are some good ways to flatten an html page into plain text? |
| 19:34.14 | abrotman | ericpersson: such as ? |
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| 19:34.19 | abrotman | jim: html2txt ? |
| 19:34.25 | jim | ericpersson: packages.debian.org |
| 19:34.54 | jim | ok, so I assumed it was packages you wanted... |
| 19:35.10 | jim | abrotman: cool, that might do it |
| 19:35.18 | abrotman | jim: i think i misnamed it |
| 19:35.28 | jim | actually I have it installed :) |
| 19:35.30 | abrotman | ah |
| 19:35.32 | abrotman | html2text |
| 19:35.35 | jim | dunno how that happen |
| 19:35.36 | abrotman | need that 'e' :) |
| 19:35.40 | ericpersson | abrotman: well, i guess the biggest problem is there is so much information.. ;) |
| 19:35.44 | xingu | everything starts with an e |
| 19:35.50 | abrotman | ericpersson: yeah ... there is a lot there |
| 19:36.08 | jim | ericpersson: ok, so what do you want to know here and now? |
| 19:36.08 | ericpersson | abrotman: and its really wordy.. but i guess its all very well written.. |
| 19:36.21 | ericpersson | jim: actually found it.. ;) |
| 19:36.31 | jim | oh, good :) |
| 19:36.59 | ericpersson | jim: yeah, first time though, i guess its because i was quick to wine.. :) |
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| 19:38.01 | jim | it's true tho, there is a lot of info, and an attempt was made to make it useful to max number of people... that took some generalization and some listing of alternatives |
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| 19:38.23 | jim | so you have to be proactive in deciding what YOU want |
| 19:38.32 | ericpersson | jim: yeah, not an easy task i guess, |
| 19:38.53 | jim | so... what are some things you want? |
| 19:38.56 | protoloco | abrotman Yes... |
| 19:39.16 | ericpersson | jim: luckily its heavily indexed by google.. |
| 19:39.19 | abrotman | protoloco: might be smb |
| 19:39.22 | abrotman | netbios |
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| 19:39.42 | protoloco | :s |
| 19:39.48 | karsten | wols: enouf: reboot fixed the X problem. Probably wedged HW. |
| 19:39.57 | ericpersson | jim: listing which versions are stable/testing etc should be visible.. but I found it with one click actually.. |
| 19:40.08 | protoloco | abrotman smb/netbios is not installed.. |
| 19:40.19 | jim | not too bad |
| 19:40.27 | abrotman | no dns entries for the servers? |
| 19:40.35 | jim | (but notice what happens when you consider the question of what you want) |
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| 19:40.49 | protoloco | abrotman oh!, maybe yes... |
| 19:40.55 | protoloco | domain /port 53 is open |
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| 19:42.13 | ericpersson | jim: yeah, interesting.. |
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| 19:43.09 | jim | ericpersson: it's something worth pursuing, wouldn't you say? |
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| 19:43.54 | jim | I mean, what if (gasp!!) you discover you want something that has nothing to do with computers!! |
| 19:43.56 | ericpersson | jim: thinking about the question? ;) |
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| 19:44.26 | jim | yes exactly, and perhaps revisiting that question on a fairly strict periodic basis (like once a month or so) |
| 19:44.46 | ericpersson | jim: yes, of course.. :) |
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| 19:45.12 | ericpersson | jim: well, seems like you got of the debiantrack now.. |
| 19:45.14 | Havis | Hi, I need help with my graphics card. It is Radeon X1650 agp, and after installing fglrx drivers (via aptitude) and setting xorg.conf driver to fglrx, I have no HW acceleration. |
| 19:45.29 | ericpersson | jim: thanks for the hints though.. |
| 19:45.38 | Havis | I'm using Debian testing.... |
| 19:45.49 | jim | np. offered as a meditation perhaps. |
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| 19:46.05 | ericpersson | jim: yeah, sounds like it.. :) |
| 19:46.32 | ericpersson | jim: my current goal is actually to find myself a better job, and I guess debian.org wont get me that.. :) |
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| 19:47.45 | jim | perhaps defining precisely what "better job" means, stating those positively (no "I do -not- want ____") and stating as though it's already happening would help. |
| 19:48.12 | jim | and -writing- it |
| 19:48.16 | ericpersson | jim: yeah, have got a nice pros and cons list.. |
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| 19:49.01 | jim | cool, but: the cons list are negatives, and it's possible that parts of your mind "ignore" negatives. |
| 19:49.31 | jim | like: I don't want a bicycle could be heard as I blabla want a bicycle |
| 19:49.32 | ericpersson | you mean i wouldnt get as many negatives that there really is? |
| 19:49.46 | jim | perhaps none |
| 19:50.02 | ericpersson | jim: might be right.. |
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| 19:55.11 | dclarke | question : during install with the netinst CD ISO image is there any benefit to NOT going with one big dumb partition for the install ?? |
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| 19:55.23 | rtr- | hi there |
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| 19:55.33 | embkas | I use knetworkmanagaer |
| 19:55.36 | stiv2k | is it possible to UNDERclock nvidia laptop GPUs too consume less power ? |
| 19:55.50 | rtr- | is there a tool, wich shows my the age of a file in minutes? |
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| 19:56.06 | wd40-wkstn | what packages do i need to install to get all available man/info pages? |
| 19:56.13 | zinx | stiv2k: yes |
| 19:56.27 | stiv2k | zinx: nice... any more info on that regard? |
| 19:56.33 | embkas | sorry .. I use knetworkmanager to connect to wireless. It used to autoconnect, now I have to manualley activate it by starting knetworkmanager and chos |
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| 19:57.06 | embkas | .... choose approppriate accesspoint. Does anybod know why I have to do this manually? |
| 19:57.11 | zinx | stiv2k: try enabling coolbits and using nvidia-settings or using nvclock |
| 19:57.15 | simonrvn | dclarke: you mean, is there any bebenfit to one large partition? |
| 19:57.19 | stiv2k | zinx: what is coolbits? |
| 19:57.22 | simonrvn | bene* |
| 19:57.32 | zinx | stiv2k: see the nVidia readme at /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz |
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| 20:00.05 | embkas | does anybody know how I set up knetworkmanager to autoconnect to wireless? |
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| 20:01.01 | zinx | and here i am clinging to the hope someday GNOME will realize people might NOT want to auto-connect to wireless :P |
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| 20:01.52 | xingu | stiv2k: more recent ones (7xxx/8xxx) support powermizer and downclock anyway |
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| 20:02.29 | stiv2k | xingu: thats recent? |
| 20:02.41 | dryrot | gary gygax is at -10 HP |
| 20:02.45 | xingu | stiv2k: -ish. |
| 20:02.48 | stiv2k | xingu: i have 169.09 |
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| 20:03.01 | stiv2k | xingu: are we talking about driver or chipset :| |
| 20:03.06 | xingu | stiv2k: more recent chipsets |
| 20:03.15 | zinx | anything FX, which means 5200 and up |
| 20:03.29 | stiv2k | xingu: oh, so i cant underclock it if its older? |
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| 20:03.39 | stiv2k | xingu: mine is GeForce Go 6150 |
| 20:03.47 | zinx | stiv2k: that is an FX card, you can underclock it |
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| 20:03.54 | xingu | stiv2k: try your luck with coolbits/nvclock |
| 20:03.59 | stiv2k | xingu: zinx: nice |
| 20:04.11 | Nurulwai | I have the misfortune of having one card with an xrandr1.2 driver and one card without. How can I disable/maim/kill xrandr1.2 so it leaves me alone? |
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| 20:04.22 | stiv2k | xingu: nvidia-settings shows PowerMizer |
| 20:04.35 | lynucs | i have to install another version of perl-base.. but when i do, nearly all graphical programs will be uninstalled (iceweasel, eclipse, etc).. how can i make them install automatically after new perl-base version is isntalled? |
| 20:04.36 | stiv2k | xingu: but NVclock doesnt report the proper clock freq |
| 20:05.54 | stiv2k | xingu: i need to set an option in Xorg right? |
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| 20:09.25 | stiv2k | xingu: should I choose 2D or 3D |
| 20:09.59 | jim | 2D or not 2D? |
| 20:10.09 | stiv2k | lol |
| 20:10.12 | stiv2k | gah |
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| 20:10.20 | stiv2k | the settings won't stick |
| 20:10.25 | DawnLight | what does gah mean? |
| 20:10.26 | stiv2k | perhaps i need to be root :| |
| 20:10.42 | jim | DawnLight: kinda like AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:10.51 | jim | except not quite as long |
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| 20:12.10 | eldowan | How would I enerate the shfs module for my current running kernel? etch, 2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 20:12.21 | nwps | I need to create virtual operating systems to my remote debian server. what are my options? doesn't qemu, vmware and all those require X11, which I cannot have? None of them work via SSH? |
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| 20:12.57 | stiv2k | nope |
| 20:13.14 | petemc | nwps: xen |
| 20:14.27 | yzaLyzarC | Is there any way to run irc on my ssh box, then have a gui frontend on another computer? |
| 20:14.32 | embkas | can anyone tell me how I upgrade my kernel. I have problems with sound on my laptop lenovo r6i, Sound card: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) |
| 20:14.37 | nwps | petemc: ah, will try that then, thanks. |
| 20:14.44 | petemc | nwps: of course, xenifying a remote system has its own risks - do you have some way to access the machine if the xen kernel doesnt boot or you lose networking? |
| 20:14.46 | stiv2k | zinx: the settings won't stick in nvidia-settings, and nvclock won't let me adjust the frequency (its stuck at some large negative number) |
| 20:15.01 | petemc | yzaLyzarC: a bouncer |
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| 20:15.10 | yzaLyzarC | petemc: ? |
| 20:15.27 | jim | embkas: perhaps it would be good for you to find out what precisely your problems are and whether they have anything to do with which kernel or even which alsa you're running |
| 20:15.31 | yzaLyzarC | !bouncer |
| 20:15.39 | petemc | try google |
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| 20:18.03 | embkas | jim: I've tried "everytihn". Is it "dangerous" to upgrade the kerne? I've now got 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 20:18.57 | jim | embkas: is it dangerous? not particularly as long as you keep installed a kernel that works. |
| 20:19.18 | jim | embkas: have you tried focusing on what your problem actually is? |
| 20:19.53 | stiv2k | where did everybody go |
| 20:20.11 | jim | I went to get breakfast |
| 20:22.01 | themill | embkas: it's worth looking on thinkwiki for details about what other people are using on that machine. I think there was a thread recently on the debian-laptop mailing list that will be archived on lists.debian.org. |
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| 20:22.30 | Ergo^ | back :] |
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| 20:23.17 | nailll | Is there a way to download only diffs while updating the system in debian, like deltup in gentoo? |
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| 20:27.38 | Sheogorath | !champagne Toblerone |
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| 20:28.46 | tdn | How do I change the time zone of my server? |
| 20:29.10 | Genghis|B | tdn; tzconfig |
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| 20:30.00 | nailll | or make a localtime symlink to the area in /usr/share/zoneinfo/* |
| 20:30.07 | tdn | Genghis|B, but I do not have tzconfig for some reason. I cannot find the package that provide it. |
| 20:30.16 | tdn | sudo: tzconfig: command not found |
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| 20:30.28 | jim | tdn: you're not running debian maybe? |
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| 20:30.40 | tdn | jim, I should be running Etch, yes :) |
| 20:30.55 | tdn | jim, what package should tzconfig be in? tzdatA? |
| 20:30.57 | jim | look in /sbin |
| 20:31.10 | jim | look in /usr/sbin |
| 20:31.47 | nailll | tdn: for example, "ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Moscow /etc/localtime" |
| 20:32.24 | jim | if you find it in one of those places, then sudo might not be setting your path properly |
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| 20:32.27 | tdn | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata worked! :) |
| 20:32.48 | jim | oh, maybe that explains tzconfig not present |
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| 20:33.30 | tdn | nailll, ok. |
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| 20:48.04 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:48.04 | dpkg | well, qotd172 is <abrotman> !maint sex |
| 20:48.15 | abrotman | that failed |
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| 20:48.44 | DawnLight | !not working |
| 20:48.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 20:49.03 | yzaLyzarC | DawnLight: !oO |
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| 20:52.38 | zinx | stiv2k: "won't stick"? |
| 20:52.54 | xann | Hello, I just added a new ethernet cable to my pc, but "ifconfig" still shows the same output as before, how can debian detect the new interface? |
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| 20:55.11 | DawnLight | does anyone know what the EU policy is for visitors? do i need anything apart for my homeland passport to enter EU? |
| 20:55.28 | DawnLight | xann: ifconfig -a |
| 20:55.58 | DawnLight | !tell xann about interfaces |
| 20:56.27 | trajan_ | visitors from where ? |
| 20:56.31 | trajan_ | :p |
| 20:56.40 | DawnLight | i've an israeli passport |
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| 20:57.01 | trajan_ | let me check |
| 20:57.02 | abrotman | DawnLight: that's a bit OT .. |
| 20:57.02 | DawnLight | and a zoginian prime one |
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| 20:58.07 | DawnLight | if anyone knows about this, please tell me in #debian-offtopic |
| 20:58.11 | stiv2k | zinx: sorry, phone call |
| 20:58.20 | trajan_ | you need no visa from israel |
| 20:58.24 | stiv2k | zinx: if i try to adjust the clock speeds, as soon as i hit apply, they get reverted to default values |
| 20:58.42 | trajan_ | for less than 90 days |
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| 20:59.43 | zinx | stiv2k: hmm |
| 21:00.03 | zinx | stiv2k: you can only underclock a laptop, fwiw |
| 21:00.10 | stiv2k | zinx: this is a laptop |
| 21:00.17 | zinx | stiv2k: i meant, you can't overclock it |
| 21:00.23 | stiv2k | i don't want to overclock it |
| 21:00.25 | zinx | stiv2k: if you try to it'll probably reset the sliders |
| 21:00.32 | zinx | stiv2k: even if unintenionally :P |
| 21:00.40 | stiv2k | hm |
| 21:00.43 | zinx | stiv2k: also, the card uses different clocks when 3d programs are active vs. not |
| 21:00.48 | stiv2k | true |
| 21:00.51 | stiv2k | i dont have any games |
| 21:00.55 | stiv2k | so i was just messing with 2D |
| 21:00.57 | zinx | stiv2k: use glxgears |
| 21:01.31 | stiv2k | zinx: the default 2D clock is 100 MHz... even setting it to 99 or 101 and hitting apply makes it go right back to 100 |
| 21:01.42 | stiv2k | same thing with the 3D clock (default 425 MHz) |
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| 21:02.19 | zinx | stiv2k: it may not be that granular |
| 21:02.40 | zinx | stiv2k: try setting it much lower :/ |
| 21:02.42 | stiv2k | zinx: any other arbitrary value seems to have the same effect |
| 21:02.49 | stiv2k | even like 50 MHz |
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| 21:03.10 | stiv2k | the memory clock stays at 0 |
| 21:03.14 | stiv2k | this can't be normal |
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| 21:03.30 | zinx | stiv2k: maybe it doesn't work with that card after all? |
| 21:03.40 | stiv2k | zinx: maybe :( |
| 21:03.47 | stiv2k | zinx: is there a way to verify |
| 21:04.14 | zinx | stiv2k: wait for someone to appear in #nVidia |
| 21:04.35 | martian67 | how do i find out what keep beeping on my system? |
| 21:04.37 | stiv2k | zinx: okay |
| 21:04.39 | martian67 | keeps |
| 21:05.49 | xann | DawnLight: thanks |
| 21:06.19 | DawnLight | martian67: ksensors, perhaps? |
| 21:06.27 | martian67 | huh? |
| 21:06.30 | martian67 | no |
| 21:06.38 | martian67 | its something in debian causing beeping |
| 21:06.46 | martian67 | but i dont know what it is |
| 21:06.54 | DawnLight | have lm-sensors installed? |
| 21:06.59 | martian67 | no |
| 21:07.04 | martian67 | that wont help |
| 21:07.08 | martian67 | with the issue |
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| 21:07.16 | martian67 | its not a temputure thing |
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| 21:33.39 | sandman | I'm trying to install Debian on an Acer Aspire 5520 laptop, and it's proving to be incredibly difficult. The Etch installer simply does not work (cannot detect, IDE, SCSI, Wireless, or wired ethernet device (nor does the graphics work)) |
| 21:33.56 | sandman | The testing business card ISO from today actually works, tho |
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| 21:34.12 | sandman | Wired ethernet card is detected, however some of the others are still proving to be a problem. |
| 21:34.44 | sandman | I'm at the "Detect Disks" section of the installer, and it's asking me to choose a driver for my disk drive. Was wondering if someone could lend me a hand |
| 21:34.46 | amphi | !laptop |
| 21:34.46 | dpkg | i guess laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 21:36.05 | sandman | Hm. Only 3 results there for the acer aspire 5520, using AMD64, all having to do with the forcedeth module. |
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| 21:36.30 | sandman | Fortunately, the forcedeth issue is apparently solved with the businesscard Lenny install ISO from today. |
| 21:36.42 | sandman | I've been testing the dailies for several days now, first one to work =) |
| 21:36.45 | linkslice | Eulex, thanks! |
| 21:37.05 | Eulex | linkslice, yw |
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| 21:37.59 | amphi | sandman: good-oh; what other hw is giving you grief? |
| 21:38.40 | sandman | Well, just about everything else. |
| 21:39.18 | jim | who creates the daily lennys? |
| 21:39.32 | sandman | Mind you, though |
| 21:39.39 | sandman | Etch doesn't work at all for the Acer Aspire 5520 laptop. |
| 21:39.46 | sandman | Just about everything is unsupported. |
| 21:39.55 | sandman | The GPU, the sound, the wireless card, the wired ethernet, everything just about. |
| 21:40.02 | sandman | Really new hardware. =) |
| 21:40.12 | Eulex | sandman, tried with a newer kernel? |
| 21:40.21 | sandman | This is the latest humanly possible, I thought |
| 21:40.33 | sandman | The Debian Lenny ISO from this morning |
| 21:40.46 | jim | sandman: what about disk? can you actually get something installed on the acer? |
| 21:40.47 | Eulex | sandman, you could try one of kmuto's netinstallers |
| 21:40.54 | Eulex | !tell sandman about kmuto |
| 21:41.06 | amphi | sandman: what wireless? |
| 21:41.19 | maligor | sandman, I expect the processor atleast is supported |
| 21:41.26 | amphi | heh |
| 21:41.28 | sandman | Yes |
| 21:41.52 | jim | to which of the 2 - 4 questions? :) |
| 21:41.56 | sandman | Wireless is an Atheros 5007EG, which apparently must have ndiswrapper + Vista drivers |
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| 21:42.05 | sandman | So forget about that until I can boot |
| 21:42.13 | sandman | I'll get that working later. For now, the wired networking is up |
| 21:42.20 | sandman | I can do everything with it. Now here's the funny party |
| 21:42.22 | sandman | -y |
| 21:42.27 | jim | oh, that's an interesting question... can you boot? |
| 21:42.53 | jim | you can do everything? you can do nothing? umm these are pretty extreme sides |
| 21:42.58 | vircuser | hello world |
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| 21:43.18 | sandman | With Debian Etch, the SCSI drive was detected. It's a SATA drive in the laptop (I think), and was listed as /dev/sda. So that worked with the etch bootcd, but pretty much everything else was borked. However, using today's lenny bootcd, the drive is not seen anymore. |
| 21:43.25 | skynet | hey |
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| 21:43.33 | maligor | madwifi has some 5007 support atleast |
| 21:43.51 | jim | so it's using the scsi subsystem |
| 21:44.06 | mo1991 | I want to run a key logger (lkl) at machine start up. Running debian lenny. Where is the best place add the lkl command so that it starts with every boot with root privelages? Please let me know. |
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| 21:44.27 | ttyS1 | what comand should I use to reconfigure xorg ? |
| 21:44.54 | sandman | Here is exactly what is not working: Wireless networking (5007EG, don't worry about this. I know what to do once I get the system installed), graphics (nvidia 7000 GPU; nv module doesn't work, I'll need to use the closed-source nvidia driver. I can also fix this, once I get it installed), sound (I'm not too concerned about this at this time, I just want to get the system installed), and the SCSI drive (/dev/sda isn't even there) |
| 21:45.14 | sandman | The last part is what I'm concerned about. /dev/sda was there with the etch installer, but absent with today's lenny installer. |
| 21:45.29 | tacit | ttyS1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:45.45 | sandman | madwifi does have _some_ support for the 5007EG, but from what I understand a real solution won't be available for maybe a week or so. |
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| 21:46.06 | ttyS1 | tacit: thanks |
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| 21:46.24 | sandman | Mostly you're just left with ndiswrapper until they get it working. In addition, the solution will be completely open, and will not used the closed-source HAL system, or something like that. I only read about it briefly, enough to learn that I was going to end up using ndiswrapper. |
| 21:46.46 | Tramp | !tell mo1991 about run at boot |
| 21:47.16 | FiendishF1sh | !tell FiendishF1sh about run at boot |
| 21:47.33 | Tramp | !tell FiendishF1sh about selftell |
| 21:47.45 | FiendishF1sh | xD |
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| 21:51.32 | sandman | Hrm. lspci doesn't even seem to give any info about a SCSI device. |
| 21:52.06 | tacit | sandman: Because SCSI disks don't have a PCI interface? |
| 21:52.48 | sandman | I had a SCSI card once that went into my PCI slot.. |
| 21:52.49 | kgoetz | the controller should be listed |
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| 21:52.57 | sandman | Yeah |
| 21:53.05 | sandman | Oddly, I don't see it in lspci at all |
| 21:53.15 | tacit | sandman: The card, yes. But not the disk. |
| 21:53.31 | tacit | The controller, sure. |
| 21:53.35 | sandman | Well, yes. I'm looking for anything to do with a SCSI anything |
| 21:54.00 | sandman | I see 2 IDE interfaces listed, though. Which is odd, seeing as only the CD-ROM is IDE, the disk drive is SCSI. I wonder if it's being misreported. |
| 21:54.08 | sandman | I have a feeling that one of those IDE interfaces is supposed to be SCSI or something. |
| 21:54.27 | amphi | sandman: not sata? |
| 21:54.41 | sandman | Would a SATA drive be listed as /dev/sda? |
| 21:55.09 | Eulex | often, yes |
| 21:55.21 | sandman | Hm. |
| 21:55.41 | sandman | Well, then it very likely is. I recall that in the Vista installation, though, it was saying something about a SCSI controller. |
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| 21:57.44 | sandman | I should add that many things returned by lspci say "MCP67" in the line |
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| 21:58.06 | sandman | The PCI bridge, the IDE interface, audio interface, ethernet controller, |
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| 21:59.05 | abrotman | Master Control Program? |
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| 21:59.45 | sandman | heh |
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| 22:05.18 | brewmaster | anyone know what's going on with debian and cpanel? |
| 22:05.29 | brewmaster | everyone says it's been in beta for years now |
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| 22:05.39 | jim | !bts |
| 22:05.39 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 22:05.53 | sandman | Is there a way to just try and load every module in /lib/modules? |
| 22:06.00 | sandman | other than just manually going through? |
| 22:06.14 | jim | you could write a bash for loop |
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| 22:06.34 | wols | sandman: why? |
| 22:06.34 | petemc | sandman: why do you think you need to do that? |
| 22:06.50 | danand_ | sandman - use a script - but why? |
| 22:06.51 | sandman | Not sure, figured it couldn't hurt to just see if perhaps one of the modules worked |
| 22:06.58 | wols | sandman: BS |
| 22:07.02 | wols | what do you need to work? |
| 22:07.13 | sandman | The Debian Etch install CD detected my disk drive, the Debian Lenny install CD from this morning doesn't. |
| 22:07.22 | danand_ | sandman - probably not the best way to do that :) |
| 22:07.28 | wols | you shouldn't use lenny CDs in the first place |
| 22:07.33 | sandman | I can't imagine that an incompatibility was introduced in the kernel. |
| 22:07.49 | sandman | wols: I have to; nothing works with the etch installer, aside from detecting the disk drive. |
| 22:07.53 | wols | lenny installers have bugs. that's hwy they exist: to find those bugs |
| 22:08.05 | jim | wols: perhaps he's generating valuable test data for the debian-boot people |
| 22:08.08 | wols | sandman: that means you CAN install. do it. then get a backported kernel |
| 22:08.26 | wols | jim: he's been here before. he doesn't |
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| 22:08.35 | jim | ahh |
| 22:08.41 | sandman | I've been here before? |
| 22:08.48 | sandman | I haven't been here for almost 2 months |
| 22:08.52 | sandman | lol |
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| 22:10.04 | rrbox | is that KDE 3.5.9 waiting for dist-upgrade today ? |
| 22:10.07 | jim | sandman: ok, would you be willing to repeat why you're trying lenny? |
| 22:10.27 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.28 | wols | 1687 |
| 22:10.57 | sandman | Because Etch bootcd doesn't work for anything aside from detecting the hard disk. After install from the CD and reboot, it no longer sees the CD-ROM drive, but only the disk drive. Nothing else works. |
| 22:11.22 | jim | sandman: but etch boots? |
| 22:11.25 | sandman | I can, however, still access the NTFS FS from my Vista installation (which is the reason I'm doing this, also) |
| 22:11.39 | sandman | Err, s/from/on/ |
| 22:11.51 | sandman | From the Etch installation. Yes, it boots. But I can't do much of anything at this point. |
| 22:12.16 | jim | would you be able to get to the net at that point? |
| 22:12.20 | wols | you can install a newer kernel. that's all that's needed |
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| 22:12.24 | sandman | No |
| 22:12.35 | wols | jim: not needed. he can get on the net right now |
| 22:13.32 | sandman | Cannot access the net at that point. DVD-RAM, wired net, wireless net, X, pretty much everything actually doesn't work. It'd be better to just list what works. Access to disk works. That's it. |
| 22:13.44 | sandman | Oh, and the console display, but no graphics. |
| 22:13.55 | jim | keyboard? :) |
| 22:13.59 | sandman | I can, however, access the net using the Lenny bootcd from this morning, but not the one from yesterday. |
| 22:14.03 | sandman | Oh, and the keyboard, sorry. |
| 22:14.11 | sandman | But not the mouse. It's an ALPS touchpad, no external mouse. |
| 22:14.20 | sandman | backported kernel sounds like a fine idea, tho. |
| 22:14.34 | sandman | I think I'll do that right now, hope it'll work. |
| 22:14.45 | sandman | Just backports.org, right? |
| 22:14.57 | jim | you could look for it there yes |
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| 22:15.46 | jim | there's supposed to be a new debian piece that has backports too, but I don't know much about it yet |
| 22:17.35 | abrotman | piece? |
| 22:18.15 | jim | dunno how to describe it, so piece fits best so far :) |
| 22:18.49 | abrotman | you could describe the "piece" |
| 22:18.58 | abrotman | do you mean volatile? |
| 22:19.25 | jim | I thought some backports were distributed by debian |
| 22:19.32 | valdyn | dotdeb.org |
| 22:19.40 | abrotman | there are some at backports.org that are created by the DDs |
| 22:19.47 | abrotman | last i heard .. dotdeb was not to be used |
| 22:19.47 | valdyn | but that is not "by debian" |
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| 22:21.07 | jim | so it still fits best... I have no idea how it's organized, whether it has a title and if so what it is, where it's housed, where the documentation is, or... anything :) |
| 22:21.48 | jim | and now you call into question my assumption that debian is even going to do it, so "debian piece" might not fit |
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| 22:42.57 | michal_ | !make-kpkg mantra |
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| 22:43.10 | michal_ | hmm.. i can't remember how to do this |
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| 22:43.25 | michal_ | !debian make-kpkg mantra |
| 22:43.42 | themill | !kp mantra |
| 22:43.42 | dpkg | i guess kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 22:43.50 | michal_ | ahh.. thanks |
| 22:43.55 | themill | :) |
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| 22:48.05 | simmerz | if i want a cron to run on the hour every two hours, would the syntax be: 0 */2 * * * [command] ? |
| 22:48.35 | Slidey | as long as i havent introduced anything to configuration files that shouldnt be there, has anyone got any experience or gotchas for downgrading from testing to stable? |
| 22:48.56 | simmerz | Slidey: dont... |
| 22:48.57 | Slidey | s/downgrading/somethingelse |
| 22:49.05 | jim | Slidey: downgrading is not supported. restore from your backup |
| 22:49.39 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 22:49.39 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 22:49.52 | Slidey | fair enough - thanks |
| 22:49.54 | jetscreamer | yes, that backup you make every night |
| 22:49.59 | Slidey | ye that one :) |
| 22:50.02 | jim | yep |
| 22:50.05 | jim | that one |
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| 22:50.20 | jim | or the one you make every other hour... |
| 22:50.24 | Slidey | its no biggie - the box only runs postfix but wanted to see if it was doable |
| 22:50.37 | simmerz | jim: that cron look right to you then? |
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| 22:50.45 | Slidey | does anyone backup every other hour? |
| 22:50.48 | jim | it's good you ask/find out now |
| 22:50.51 | jetscreamer | one 'could' change to sources to stable and just wait |
| 22:51.06 | jetscreamer | might take a while |
| 22:51.06 | jim | Slidey: not very many back up at all, to their peril. |
| 22:51.11 | Slidey | i might test it on another box - see what happens |
| 22:51.23 | Slidey | jim thats true enough |
| 22:51.37 | simmerz | jetscreamer: or gouge ones eyes out with a rusty spoon in preference |
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| 22:52.05 | jetscreamer | i do it with sid/testing a lot... probably take a lot longer for stable though |
| 22:52.11 | jetscreamer | quite probably |
| 22:52.19 | ignotus | hello, is it possible to set up bc, so "echo 1 / 2 | bc" returns 0.5 instead of 0? |
| 22:52.21 | simmerz | jetscreamer: yep but sid/testing are much more alike |
| 22:52.29 | simmerz | than testing/stable |
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| 22:55.34 | ronsonol | Did a minimal etch install with blackbox. Backgrounds won't load, neither images nor simple rgb calls. Certain images are in the right directory. Not getting any help from #blackbox. Any ideas? |
| 22:56.12 | jim | simmerz: perhaps that's true right up until the next mirror pulse when (it's possible that) EVERYTHING changes, new systems of packages come in, and not complete even, so you can't test them by installing from apt... and those systems could be as on-the-edge as you can get, or they can be right in the deepest level of the core |
| 22:57.34 | Slidey | cheers guys |
| 22:57.45 | michal_ | does anyone know why make-kpkg rewrites the .config so that it asks me questions which were already answered in my .config ? |
| 22:57.55 | ignotus | okay I got the solution echo "scale=4; 1/2" | bc |
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| 22:59.00 | themill | michal_: it shouldn't. It should only run make oldconfig and ask you things that have been added since you wrote that .config |
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| 23:00.02 | michal_ | themill: that's what i thought.. but it seems to do more .. not sue how to figure out what it's doing.. might do a diff |
| 23:00.22 | simmerz | jim, this is true indeed |
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| 23:01.47 | themill | dpkg: kill iceweasel |
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| 23:02.02 | themill | fitting... bloody thing just crashed on me |
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| 23:04.14 | michal_ | ok.. i have a THEORY as to the problem i am encountering |
| 23:04.22 | michal_ | my .config is for a debian patched kernel |
| 23:04.52 | michal_ | i don't think that make-kpkg patches even though i do --added-patches debian until AFTER it parses the .config |
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| 23:05.00 | michal_ | at least that's what it looks like |
| 23:05.02 | amphi | michal_: I've not had a problem doing make oldconfig with a debian .config and vanilla source |
| 23:05.24 | michal_ | i can't use vanilla source :/ |
| 23:05.34 | michal_ | .config:100:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol X86_XEN |
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| 23:05.47 | michal_ | this is with a debian xen kernel config and --added-patches debian |
| 23:06.38 | michal_ | is there a way to force make-kpkg to apply patches FIRST an then parse the .config ? it almost doesn't make sense the way it does it now |
| 23:06.43 | jim | I'd say you ought to patch the kernel separately |
| 23:06.50 | michal_ | unless i use menuconfig and load the config file from within that maybe? |
| 23:06.54 | jim | and have the kernel source patched |
| 23:07.08 | jim | then you run the make menuconfig on THAST |
| 23:07.41 | jim | why force anything? just apply the patches |
| 23:07.45 | michal_ | jim: and make-kpkg won't destroy what i have done if i do that manually first? without --added-patches debian |
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| 23:08.19 | jim | I think it won't try to apply patches or remove them if you dojn't have that parameter |
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| 23:08.51 | michal_ | ok.. will give that a go.. i've had to write a script to delete the kernel source and re-extract it now that i've had to do it so many times :/ |
| 23:08.55 | blubberdiblub | michal_: for going extra sure, you could add a line saying "export NO_UNPATCH_BY_DEFAULT := YES" to your /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
| 23:09.01 | michal_ | how do i apply the patches manually? |
| 23:09.17 | StucKman | michal_: man patch |
| 23:09.28 | jim | StucKman: thank you. |
| 23:09.36 | michal_ | StucKman: there are hundreds of patches. it would take me a long time to apply each seperately |
| 23:09.55 | michal_ | isn't there a debian script for it as part of either the patch deb o make-kpkg? |
| 23:10.15 | StucKman | michal_: "cat *.patch | patch -px", for the rich x. mostly 0 |
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| 23:10.50 | amphi | StucKman: UUOC ;) |
| 23:10.50 | StucKman | michal_: hmm, I know make-kpkg can handle debian supported patches |
| 23:11.02 | StucKman | s/rich/right/ |
| 23:11.09 | jaggz- | is it just me or does the ntfs still not support write? |
| 23:11.25 | StucKman | jim: the official in the kernel source does not have |
| 23:11.33 | StucKman | ahm, that's for jaggz- |
| 23:11.47 | StucKman | jaggz-: but then there's ntfs3g |
| 23:11.55 | StucKman | @info ntfs3g |
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| 23:12.14 | michal_ | StucKman: this is the official debian patches archive |
| 23:12.26 | michal_ | all patches are bz2 |
| 23:12.49 | StucKman | michal_: the make-kpkg knows how to handle it. I've never used it, tho |
| 23:12.53 | jaggz- | coool |
| 23:13.05 | holst | ntfs3g is a fuse driver right |
| 23:13.11 | michal_ | StucKman: heh.. the whole point was it breaks in my situation |
| 23:13.42 | StucKman | holst: yes it is |
| 23:13.57 | StucKman | michal_: heeh. |
| 23:14.10 | StucKman | if they're a bunch of bz2 files, bzcat them |
| 23:14.19 | StucKman | and feed them to patch as above |
| 23:14.36 | StucKman | bzcat *.patch.bz2 | patch -p 0 or -p 1 |
| 23:15.02 | michal_ | StucKman: i can't really see how this would work given that the patches are all over the place and interdependant.. i think they need to be applied in a specific order :/ |
| 23:15.22 | StucKman | ok, give them order: |
| 23:15.44 | StucKman | bzcat path/to/patch1 path/to/patch2 ... | patch -p 0 |
| 23:15.50 | michal_ | apt-get install linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 too see what i mean |
| 23:16.10 | StucKman | michal_: sorry, running out right now |
| 23:16.12 | chops | michal_: linux-source contains the kernel source with patches already applied |
| 23:16.12 | michal_ | found it |
| 23:16.16 | StucKman | good luck w/ it |
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| 23:16.22 | StucKman | chops: tru |
| 23:16.26 | StucKman | true* |
| 23:16.30 | StucKman | 'deu |
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| 23:16.46 | michal_ | chops: i'm pretty sure it's vanilla source.. are you sure? |
| 23:17.24 | chops | michal_: Dude, it's in the description :-) |
| 23:17.31 | chops | michal_: "Linux kernel source for version 2.6.18 with Debian patches" |
| 23:17.45 | michal_ | jesus |
| 23:17.54 | michal_ | i saw that as something else |
| 23:18.02 | michal_ | i saw an extra word which wasn't there :/ |
| 23:18.09 | chops | michal_: "out"? |
| 23:18.24 | chops | michal_: :-) |
| 23:18.38 | michal_ | this changes everything.. makes it MUCH simpler |
| 23:18.44 | michal_ | i love you |
| 23:18.54 | chops | michal_: I love you too, Mr. Internet Stranger |
| 23:18.58 | snacky | I love you too |
| 23:18.58 | kgoetz | o_0 |
| 23:19.18 | streuner | !love michal_ |
| 23:19.26 | linkslice | but i love him more! |
| 23:19.31 | chops | I'm going to go now |
| 23:19.43 | chops | gl |
| 23:19.54 | michal_ | there's enough love to go around |
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| 23:26.51 | michal_ | this is interesting.. using the debian supplied config for the xen kernel causes lots of config questions to pop up. they're not covered by the xen config.. how can that be? |
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| 23:27.22 | nichos | hi all, im having trouble with xorg. I updated my system yesterday, installed the nvidia drivers, all was well. I've now rebooted the machine and x.org isn't starting. the nvidia module is loaded. |
| 23:27.28 | nichos | my log is here: http://rafb.net/p/qqFWrg47.html |
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| 23:28.11 | nichos | usually I can tell why it didn't start but I don't see anything too helpful in this log |
| 23:28.40 | helmut | Hi. Has anyone tried to use spamassassin from volatile? It looks a bit broken ... (at least Rule2XSBody) |
| 23:28.45 | kgoetz | nichos: is that the whole log? it looks incomplete |
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| 23:29.00 | nichos | kgoetz yes, that's the whole log |
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| 23:29.30 | nichos | it weird, instead of just crashing and going back to the terminal with startx, it sits there with a dot on the top left, i have to hit alt F1 to get back |
| 23:29.44 | nichos | the 2nd monitor turns on real quick (from sleep) and then goes right back off, nothing flickers on the screen |
| 23:29.53 | nichos | it was working until i rebooted:) |
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| 23:31.19 | kgoetz | the last line in the log "Backtrace:" makes me wonder if theres more log somewhere else |
| 23:31.27 | nichos | hmmmm |
| 23:31.27 | kgoetz | theres nothing in that one thats helpful that ican see |
| 23:31.44 | nichos | well, i would recheck but I restarted X with the "nv" module |
| 23:31.47 | nichos | which is what im in right now |
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| 23:32.00 | kgoetz | afk 5-10 min |
| 23:32.02 | kgoetz | (work) |
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| 23:36.39 | nichos | so the nv drivers works fine, but not the nvidia |
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| 23:38.35 | kgoetz | nichos: is this a packaged version of the driver, or one from nvidia? |
| 23:38.41 | nichos | from nvidia |
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| 23:40.29 | nichos | im sure if I re-ran the installer it would work (since rebooted broke it), but I shouldn't have to do that |
| 23:40.31 | nichos | I never did:) |
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| 23:42.08 | Gnu_Raiz | that all depends if it modified your initd image. |
| 23:42.43 | Moorenkopf | why does apt-cache return mlocate if I search for slocate in lenny? Is this a new replacement? |
| 23:42.50 | nichos | Gnu_Raiz /etc/init.d/ ? what should I look for? |
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| 23:46.46 | engla | mlocate is a new locate thing yes |
| 23:46.49 | engla | pretty recent |
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| 23:47.40 | engla | and it's superior because.. something with the database makes the rescans much less painful for the disk I think |
| 23:48.02 | themill | !locate |
| 23:48.02 | dpkg | locate is probably a tool for finding files on your hard drive using a precompiled database rather than searching the actual drive using "find" (ask me about <find.cli>). Alternatives to the original locate are <slocate> and mlocate. Under etch, locate is in the findutils package. If you are running lenny, ask me about <missing locate>. |
| 23:48.11 | Moorenkopf | engla: ok. But you don't know why slocate is out now? |
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| 23:48.25 | holst | !missing locate |
| 23:48.26 | dpkg | locate is no longer in the findutils package and is now in the packages locate, slocate or mlocate (and /usr/bin/locate is managed using the alternatives system). For more information, look at the changelog and README.Debian files for findutils (or locate) versions 4.2.31-2 or later. |
| 23:48.37 | engla | no. I know that some package was split |
| 23:48.47 | themill | !why is slocate not in testing |
| 23:48.47 | dpkg | slocate is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=slocate |
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| 23:49.00 | Moorenkopf | thanks :D |
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| 23:51.09 | kevind23 | I'm trying to install KDE4, but aptitude keeps complaining that "libokularcore1" won't install because libgs8 is version "8.61.dfsg.1-1.1" and it wants "8.61.dfsg.1-1". Is there any way to get around this? |
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| 23:51.32 | michal_ | i give up.. there must be a better way.. is there a way to use make-kpkg to build only the xen kernel_image and movules_image ? |
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| 23:52.17 | neqael | hello |
| 23:52.22 | jaggz | <-- working on getting ntfs-3g installed.. but it wants newer libs (like libfuse2 >= 2.6 and I'm at 2.5) |
| 23:52.26 | jaggz | sigh |
| 23:52.27 | themill | kevind23: rerun aptitude update |
| 23:52.38 | neqael | is there a way to check what architecture detects -mtune=native on my system? |
| 23:52.53 | themill | jaggz: it's in backports |
| 23:53.24 | themill | kevind23: sorry... I might have read you backwards there... |
| 23:53.34 | kevind23 | themill: I have two debian installations, one I'm using to test KDE4 because it's so unstable, and the other one I'm using right now.. but at any rate the KDE4 copy is a fresh netinst no need to update |
| 23:53.43 | jaggz | I added a backports mirror to my sources -- and successfully got ntfs-3g to show in aptitude.. but not libfuse2 |
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| 23:54.43 | kevind23 | I just need to trick aptitude/apt/dpkg into thinking I have the right version of libgs8 |
| 23:54.55 | michal_ | themill: do you have any idea how to just build one type of kernel with make-kpkg ? |
| 23:55.24 | themill | kevind23: the kde4 debs are from experimental and they don't have all their dependencies around at the moment. You might want to ask on #debian-kde about those packages. |
| 23:56.15 | kevind23 | themill: but I do have the right version, it wants 8.61.dfsg.1-1 and I have 8.61.dfsg-1.1.1 I don't see how the ".1" makes that much of a difference but it's preventing me from installing kde4 |
| 23:56.20 | themill | jaggz: libfuse2 is also on backports.org |
| 23:57.18 | michal_ | i feel like weeping :( why does building a kernel the debian way have to be so hard? |
| 23:57.19 | themill | kevind23: if the devs have declared an absolute dependency then they would presumably have a good reason for doing so. In any case, experimental packages are not supported here... please ask in #debian-kde. |
| 23:57.29 | jaggz | themill: k.. checking. why would it not show in aptitude? it doesn't show a later version |
| 23:57.30 | kevind23 | alright, alright |
| 23:57.47 | jhambo | hey folks, I'm running etch. When I try to use the program g3data, the window is way too big so that I can't access some of the features. It seems to be impossible to resize the window. What can I do?? |
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| 23:57.59 | themill | jaggz: libfuse2: 2.7.1-2~bpo40+1 |
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