IRC log for #debian on 20080305

00:00.11michal_is there a way to automatically combine multiple linux .configs ?
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00:03.06michal_nope
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00:03.56michal_this is crazy. the debian patched source isn't the same as the debian patched source patched by the debian patches.. ie.. no xen until you apply debian patches.. wtf is up with that?
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00:06.37dclarkeI have a fresh install of debian linux .. and I don't have SSH or X11 and wonder what to do to get that working ?
00:07.02jaggzwell, I am waiting for my automatic updates to go in (I installed from a deb 4r1 dvd I burned a while back...)
00:07.06azeemdclarke: installit
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00:07.12azeem!installit
00:07.12dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
00:07.15jaggzmichal, maybe.. hmm.. use vimdiff .config other.config ?
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00:08.05jaggzhow'd you get chatzilla installed, dclarke?
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00:08.55jaggzokay.. why am I getting 21k/sec ?  :)
00:09.06jaggzmaybe it's the mirror that's being used...
00:09.15dclarkechatzilla is on my Vista box
00:09.35dclarkethe debian box .. I can not ssh into and can not apt-get install ssh
00:09.41dclarkeit wants media in the CDROM which .. I don't have
00:09.55dclarkeso I figure apt-get needs some sort of info in a conf file or something
00:10.31dclarkesomewhere
00:10.35azeemdclarke: how did you install Debian?
00:10.45dclarkewith the little netinst CDROM
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00:11.00azeemand you threw that away?
00:11.05dclarkeno
00:11.15dclarkeit has only enoug on it to get the boot and install process going
00:11.17azeemso what happens if you put that in when APT asks you for it?
00:11.19dclarkeas I understoof it
00:11.39azeemor what did you mean with "it wants media in the CDROM which .. I don't have"
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00:12.18michal_is there any reason for the debian kernel source to be missing some debian patches? ie xen
00:12.19sixtysixmurphhi, have a 120Gb disk. run /dev/hdd, delete existing partition and create primary partition using default cylinders (first and last).
00:12.25sixtysixmurphwhen i mount this (d
00:12.27Gnu_Raizis it a mini-iso, or a netinstall cd?
00:12.33jaggzhe's gotta get some mirrors in sources.list .. how do you do that other than editing it by hand?
00:12.45azeemjaggz: netinst sets that up usually
00:12.50sixtysixmurphsorry, when I mount this (/dev/hdd1) it appears as a 100Mb or so partition? I can't understand it.
00:12.54Gnu_Raizmany times a mini-iso will have packages on the cd, that apt looks for first to save time from downloading.
00:13.07dclarkeit has mirror sites in the sources.list file
00:13.10dclarkethat looks good
00:13.15azeemok
00:13.16Gnu_Raizjust comment out the cd line in your apt/source.list file.
00:13.21dclarkeI tried dpkg -l '*ssh*' and that looks correct
00:13.24azeemdclarke: so do you have internet?
00:13.25Gnu_Raizand you can then be happy.
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00:13.30dclarkeyes
00:13.37dclarkeummm .. let me look for a cd line
00:13.39azeemdclarke: so what is your problem?
00:13.41dclarkeor cdrom line
00:13.47dclarkeit won't install ssh
00:13.52dclarkeit asks for media in /cdrom
00:13.59jaggzI said no to use mirrors when I installed (to get it up and running fast) -- but now I edited sources.list by hand
00:14.21azeemdclarke: please tell us what EXACTLY it asks for
00:14.23jaggzanyway, learn that later.  dclarke, add a mirror to your sources.list then run apt-get update
00:14.37jaggzdeb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib
00:14.38Gnu_Raizdid you apt-get update after you made your changes.
00:14.39jaggzdeb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib
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00:15.39Gnu_Raizhave you tried backport.org for newer versions.
00:15.51themillbush: that's just madness
00:15.51Gnu_Raizmight save you some headaches.
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00:16.17bushgotcha!  just seeing who's awake ;)
00:16.34bushpoking a stick into the metaphorical bee's nest, if you will
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00:16.41themill!lart bush
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00:16.58robin_szthis is confusing me, standard sarge install, apache, I see it open the error log and write that its starting,  ... but calling non-existent URI produces no entry in the log, log level is set to debug too
00:17.11michal_i'm going to go back to the wrong way of building the kernel :/ at least it resulted in a working deb file rather than dozens of wasted hours :(
00:17.20azeembush: people got kickbanned for less in here
00:17.23azeemin the dark ages
00:17.30bushrobin_sz: apache 1.3 or 2?
00:17.33dclarkeyay !  I commented out the cd line and then installed ssh fine !
00:17.36jaggzlog level w/ apache?
00:17.39robin_sz1.3
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00:17.42dclarkesysadm@debian:~$ uname -a
00:17.43dclarkeLinux debian 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 17:50:19 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
00:17.46dclarkewoo hoo
00:17.53dclarkenow .. X11 does not work .. that comes next
00:17.59Gnu_Raizhave you checked out the wiki on debian kernel.
00:17.59jaggzrobin, probably the host you are hitting is not the one set with that error log file
00:18.04azeemdclarke: what graphics card do you have?
00:18.17jaggzuse: apache -S
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00:18.23DukeDrakehi
00:18.23dclarkedunno .. it is in a VMware server
00:18.26Gnu_Raizeven the reference manual should give you some working config.
00:19.04DukeDrakehi
00:19.07robin_szjaggz: hmm I dotn think I have any vhosts .. .lemm check
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00:19.37sixtysixmurphso anyone know why a partition which should be 120Gb appears to be about 259Mb?
00:19.39dclarkeI guess I should try a re-install on a real piece of hardware and then see what happens
00:20.05sixtysixmurphdirectly after creating said partition in fdisk?
00:20.10DukeDrakeI somehow have an unstable version of debian (... well ... can't mount /dev/sd* etc).
00:20.20robin_szjaggz: yep, there was a catchall vhost, thanks
00:20.24azeemdclarke: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
00:20.27jaggzsixty, partition tables should be measured in bytes :)
00:20.39DukeDrakeAside I'm still a beginner.
00:20.41azeemdclarke: also see /var/log/X*log for occurances of "(EE)"
00:21.08sixtysixmurphyeah I know, the figures check out in bytes, just using Gb here to be brief
00:21.27themillDukeDrake: can you provide us with information about what you're doing and an error message?
00:21.39michal_is there any way to find out how the debian maintainers built the debian kernel packages? exactly. the command line used and the config files used
00:21.51DukeDrakeNow I ran aptitude and it tells me a lot about packages, which need to be installed, which need to be erased and which not get updated.
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00:22.06DukeDrakeShall I just execute what it says or ...??
00:22.15abrotman!paste
00:22.15dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
00:22.21azeemmichal_: probably they used pbuilder on the .dsc
00:22.22dclarkesysadm@debian:~$ ls -l /var/log/Xorg.0.log
00:22.24dclarke-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11200 2008-03-04 13:53 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
00:23.21sixtysixmurphjaggz: created partition as 14696 cyls of 16065 * 512 = 1229.........bytes
00:23.28gallerito9<PROTECTED>
00:23.33Cortyhi
00:23.39gallerito9hi
00:23.57gallerito9hi corty
00:24.02dclarkehrmmm .. it says (EE) No devices detected.   http://rafb.net/p/Vzimsf27.html
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00:24.29sixtysixmurphcan't figure it out for the life of me, and done this plenty of times with v.similar drives
00:24.36michal_azeem: thanks
00:25.11azeemdclarke: what driver is mentioned in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
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00:26.01dclarkehttp://rafb.net/p/g9RcZt74.html
00:26.22azeemhuh, what is "ark"
00:26.33azeemdclarke: change that to "vesa"
00:26.49dclarkeummm .. change what ?
00:27.04azeemthe "ark"
00:27.27dclarkeDriver          "ark"
00:27.28sixtysixmurphjaggz: don't suppose you've come across that sort of thing before?
00:27.30dclarkeokay .. one sec
00:27.51michal_so basically.. apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 ; tweak specific config file; pbuilder linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1.dsc should get me what i want?
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00:28.25dclarkeazeem : and now startx ??
00:28.36azeemyeah
00:28.37dclarkemaybe reboot
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00:29.13dclarkewoo hoo ..
00:29.16jaggzsixty, ?
00:29.16dclarkestartx worked
00:29.27jaggzwhat's wrong with it?  did it actually put out periods?
00:29.37dclarkewhy am I in as root ?
00:29.44dclarkeI don't want to be logged in as root
00:29.50dclarkeI guess gdm is the issue now
00:29.52azeemdclarke: because you ran startx as root, probably
00:30.00dclarketoo much weird post-install tweakage needed
00:30.02azeemdclarke: close X, restart gdm
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00:30.22jimnow that you have a running x server... you can use it
00:30.39sixtysixmurphjaggz: 122Gb partition mounting as 259M. Think the drive might be f*cked
00:31.18jaggzfdisk shows what?
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00:32.23sixtysixmurphshows partition of ~122Gb, ie the whole disk. when i try to mount the partition, it appears as bing 259M in size.
00:33.06jaggzI see.. fs type?
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00:33.42ross`_what's the microsoft fonts package
00:33.43jaggzI have to go .. pay attention faster :)
00:33.50lunksWhat has to be on xorg in order to support more than one mouse? I've remade my xorg.conf, so probably there are some default values missing. I plugged an extra mouse on my notebook, and it shows up on dmseg, but does not move the cursor.
00:34.00sixtysixmurphassuming ext2 - i just created it. ran e2fsck just now - bad superblock, corruption
00:34.07kgoetzross`_: msttcorefonts
00:34.23sixtysixmurphso thats probably that. anything that can be done about that or should i just throw the disk?
00:34.26jaggzsixty, hmm.. one thing I was doing recently was using dd to test
00:34.34jaggzdd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null
00:34.48ross`_no installation canidate
00:34.50ross`_?
00:35.26kgoetz!tell ross`_ about msttcorefonts
00:35.33jaggzand if it hits a bad sector it quits out.  (consequently, if you want to copy a drive with bad sectors, add the dd options like:  dd conv=sync,noerror if=....
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00:35.42sixtysixmurphgood 'ol dd, didn't think about that. in fact can't even remember what it does!
00:35.50ross`_ok..
00:35.57ross`_do i need to add something to sources?
00:36.10jaggzman dd :)
00:36.17kgoetzjaggz: i think thers also a ddrescue
00:36.22jaggzI thought it meant "disk duplicate" or "drive duplicate"
00:36.25kgoetzross`_: read what dpkg tells you
00:36.28ross`_i did
00:36.45kgoetzross`_: did you ask dpkg about contrib?
00:36.48jaggzokay.. I'm going to restart.. be back soon
00:36.55jaggztry the dd thing and see if there are sector errors
00:37.00jaggzand use ext3 when you can.. it's better
00:37.20ross`_ok
00:37.27ross`_kgoetz: what do i add exactly, it wasnt clear
00:37.30dclarkeis there a way to get a simple software catalog list ? with dates ?
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00:37.44dclarkelike pkg-get -a in Solaris ? that sort of thing ?
00:38.03kgoetzross`_: which part is unclear?
00:38.14sixtysixmurphi presume on account of journalling... can you specify ext3 using fdisk?
00:38.30kgoetzdclarke: for those of us not familar solaris package management, what are you asking ?:)
00:38.47michal_argh.. if i do it that wy i'll be stuck where i started with debian named kernel packages that are replaced by the upstream one when an apt-get upgrade is run :/
00:38.52michal_i can't win :(
00:39.07kgoetzmichal_: whats wrong?
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00:39.10dclarkejust tryi9ng to get a list of the packages available on the remote mirror ?  somehow "This APT has Super Cow Powers" does not inspire me towards confidence
00:39.16luposorry
00:39.21abrotman!installed
00:39.21dpkgTo list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M';
00:39.22ross`_kgoetz: the exact line i need t oadd to sources
00:39.23lupoare u there?
00:39.32abrotmandoh .. nevermind
00:39.34michal_kgoetz: trying to build a debian package of a en kernel using make-kpkg
00:39.44lupoi must install connector betwen apache and tomcat
00:40.03kgoetzross`_: you need to add 'contrib' to the end of the deb http://... foobar/debian line
00:40.12ross`_er
00:40.13kgoetzlupo: good luck
00:40.13ross`_ok?
00:40.19lupothere are any people u know use tomcat and apache ?
00:40.25lupokgoetz,
00:40.29lupoi query u
00:40.30sixtysixmurphhmm, just stopped dd, it had copied 6.1Gb, which is a good sign. same time though, is copying shit over much use to me, or am i just seeing if it can do it?
00:40.53kgoetzmichal_: so you got the debian source package? if you dch -i it should incriment the change log, then when you rebuild it'll get a new version number
00:41.02dclarkeCOLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'
00:41.06dclarkethat looks promising
00:41.15kgoetzif you want to go into renaming your kernel past that, perhaps ask dpkg about <nm>
00:41.22michal_kgoetz: but then when debian updates i'm back where i started
00:41.27themill!moo
00:41.28dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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00:42.02michal_kgoetz: the other problem is i have a debian config file i want to use that seems to be missing most of the config settings.. ie enough for xen but not enough for the kernel make-kpkg chooses to build
00:42.05kgoetzlupo: do no message me
00:42.10michal_even if i try -arch or --subarch xen
00:42.17lupocristo
00:42.21michal_plus it SEEMs like xen may be missing from the debian patched kernel
00:42.38Kevin`dclarke that's to list installed pakcages. apt-cache pkgnames seems to list everything on the mirror, but I've never had a reason to do this.
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00:43.12dclarkehrmm .. I'm just doing research
00:43.21dclarkehttp://rafb.net/p/VJre5618.html  is interesting to me
00:43.29kgoetzbbs
00:43.33lupokgoetz,  ti odio , Then i must to use a connector on tomcat and apache2 for 2 different pc
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00:44.07michal_i can't see any evidence that the debian linux surce is actually fully patched with the debian patches :/
00:44.10ross`_kgoetz:
00:44.11lupobut when i go to connect at ip of apache2 for see servlet of tomcat(on other pc) don't work
00:44.12ross`_Kevin`:
00:44.13ross`_!
00:44.33lunksWhat has to be on xorg in order to support more than one mouse? I've remade my xorg.conf, so probably there are some default values missing. I plugged an extra mouse on my notebook, and it shows up on dmseg, but does not move the cursor.
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00:44.37SamuelDrHi
00:44.53michal_it seems to ignore the XEN config items in my cnfig file when it builds :/
00:44.53abrotmanlunks: what is your mouse device? usually it has to be set to /dev/input/mice
00:45.32lunksabrotman, I'm using a touchpad, so I'm using synaptics driver. I believe that's the issue. Thing is, I don't know how to make both work.
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00:46.32abrotmanyay for not having a touchpad! :)
00:46.49abrotmani would think the synaptics driver should contribute to the /dev/input/mice
00:47.08lunksright now it's /dev/psaux
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00:47.43abrotmanand if you change it to  /dev/input/mice .. no workie?
00:47.48lunksI'll try
00:47.49themilllunks: relevant sections of a working synaptics/usb mouse setup: http://pastebin.ca/928399
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00:50.03jaggzwoo.. after update I rebooted and sources.list was 0 bytes :)
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00:50.17lunksthank you themill and abrotman, I'll try it.
00:50.19lunksbrb
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00:51.09dclarkewow ... never ever execute  apt-cache dumpavail
00:51.35michal_i don't believe any of /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.18/debian/features/all/xen/ is applied to the debian linux-source package.. this is so counterintuitive that it boggles the mind
00:51.53freenoderwhat is the best processor this time?
00:52.04azeemfreenoder: ia64
00:52.09dclarkeIBM Power6
00:52.17abrotmanm68k!
00:52.17dclarkeand then AMD Opteron
00:52.19pickcoderoptical
00:52.29dclarkeand then Sun UltraSparc Niagara II
00:52.36azeemmichal_: why don't you just use the stock kernels?
00:52.39dclarkebut maybe the Sun Niagara first
00:52.41freenoderopteron?
00:52.47dclarkeAMD Opteron
00:52.49dclarkeyes
00:52.51azeemfreenoder: no, ia64
00:52.53abrotmanfreenoder: how much money do you have to spend?
00:52.55pickcoderfreenoder: for what?
00:52.55freenoderyou know harpertown?
00:53.00freenodertill 30 USD
00:53.03freenoder300 USD
00:53.05azeemfreenoder: what is your debian question?
00:53.13michal_azeem: stock in what way? kernel.org or debian?
00:53.17azeemdebian
00:53.22dclarkedebian:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Proc
00:53.24dclarkemodel name      : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 152
00:53.28freenoderI am eyeing E5405
00:53.32azeem01:52 < azeem> freenoder: what is your debian question?
00:53.39freenoderazeem stop
00:53.48freenoderit's  01:52
00:53.50michal_azeem: because for some unfathomable reason debian chose not to include a ital module which many of not most serious xen users require
00:53.51azeemwell, you're off-topic
00:53.56abrotmanfreenoder: try ##hardware
00:53.58azeemital?
00:54.14michal_azem: vital
00:54.17freenoderI want the debian point of view
00:54.26abrotmanfreenoder: debian is software .. not hardware
00:54.27azeemmichal_: why don't you just compile that module with the kernel headers?
00:54.31pickcoderfreenoder: I'd be looking for a compatible mainboard that has a good track record
00:54.39pickcoderthen decide on a CPU
00:54.50freenoderwhat you mean by track record?
00:55.02azeempickcoder: thanks for dragging this along
00:55.03michal_azeem: i guess because i have no idea how. or even that it was possible to build just one module for an existing kernel
00:55.05freenoder771 chipset isn't good?
00:55.08pickcoderI had a nightmareish time with the new 5000 intel boards when they came out
00:55.19azeempickcoder, freenoder: please discuss this in private
00:55.42pickcoderazeem: this is OT, considering I'm talking about Debian compat
00:55.46freenoderyou are the only one disturbed
00:55.48pickcoderon-topic
00:56.21azeempickcoder: I don't see how this is Debian specific, sorry
00:56.29azeemit might be Linux specific
00:56.29freenoderbrb
00:56.48pickcoderI guess no one should discuss the linux kernel then
00:56.56pickcoderlighen up
00:57.00sixtysixmurphjaggz: is there a way to completely erase/format a disk and start anew?
00:57.07michal_azeem: so how would i go about just building the one module?
00:57.09jaggzokay.. back to this.  aptitude only shows libfuse2 2.5.3-4.4
00:57.17azeempickcoder: not unless it's specific to Debian packaging or Debian kernel packages, correct
00:57.25dclarkesixtysixmurph: insert a CDROM from KnoppiX or Solaris and format the disk
00:57.33jaggzsixty, I'm back by the way.. :)  did dd show you anything?
00:57.44pickcoderI'm gone for weeks and I come back to this?
00:57.46pickcodermeh
00:57.47azeemmichal_: ok, it's maybe not easier than recompiling the kernel, dunno
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00:58.08jaggzhow do I get the backport of fuse2, with the higher version (2.6) to show in apt*?  I need this version for ntfs-3g
00:58.09sixtysixmurphgot as far as 16Gb then input/output error
00:58.31azeemjaggz: get all from backports.org
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00:59.25sixtysixmurphdclarke: no other way to get same program? would like to avoid downloading an image if i can?
00:59.30jaggzyou need to fix that.. the drive is damaged or something.  Either get a new drive or try the manufacturer's utilities to repair it (it marks the bad sectors)..  I'm not sure if standard utilities like e2fsck handle marking sectors as bad in the hardware
00:59.36jaggzdoes anyone know if they do?
00:59.39hldhello
00:59.50michal_i think the main problem is make-kpkg tries to compile the WRONG kernel and therefore looks for settings whic are irrelevant to the kernel i wish to build :/
00:59.50hldwhere could i ask questions about debian on the nslu2?
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01:00.09dclarkesixtysixmurph: not sure I understand .. you just want to format the disk and maybe blank it with zeros or some such ?
01:00.23azeemhld: you can try here, maybe
01:00.48hldokay. debian uses the apex bootloader on the nslu
01:00.50jaggzazeem, azeem, I have a backports mirror listed in apt/sources.list.  How do I see the packages it has available?
01:01.15azeemjaggz: I think the setup is explained on the backports.org site
01:01.19jaggzI could just d/l the package and dpkg -i it, but I'd like to know to use the apt-system
01:01.23jaggzthanks
01:01.28hldi need an image which includes the debian installer and a newer apex version since i have to use extra ram
01:01.29sixtysixmurphdclarke: no other way to get same program? would like to avoid downloading an image if i can?)
01:01.35themilljaggz: what's the output of apt-cache policy ntfs-3g libfuse2
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01:02.00Nylewelcome to debian
01:02.01azeemhld: why don't you add the RAM after the install/kernel upgrade?
01:02.15dclarkesixtysixmurph: I don't understand. To get what program ?
01:02.16baloo_The inventor of  D&D apparently had a bad dice roll the other day.
01:02.19sixtysixmurphsorry. its a corrupted disk, i don't care about the data on it. just want to wipe it and put a new fs onit
01:02.27jaggzit shows 2.7.1-2 of libfuse2 available from my backports mirror
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01:02.53themilljaggz: is it listed as the candidate?
01:03.09michal_baloo_: what are you talking about?
01:03.16jaggzno, it's saying the 2.5.3 versions (from dvd and debian mirrors) are the candidate
01:03.22sixtysixmurphthe program i was asking about is an alternative to downloading a knoppix/solaris cd..
01:03.35themilljaggz: you presumably have some pinning in /etc/apt/preferences doing that
01:03.41jaggzand ntfs-3g is not installed, but fuse2 2.5.3 is installed
01:03.46dclarkesixtysixmurph: you may be able to do what you want with a DOS diskette
01:04.07dclarkesixtysixmurph: but you do need some ability to boot to an OS shell that allows you to run fdisk and format
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01:04.22dclarkesixtysixmurph: that implies a bootable DVD or CDROM of some sort
01:04.28jaggzformatting the disk is easy.. I'd re-partition it and then mkfs it
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01:05.25jaggzuse ext3.  but also you need to handle those bad sectors.
01:05.30jaggzsee:  man badblocks
01:06.00BadHorsiei'm wondering what are this /dev/.static/dev files, do i need to load a module for them to be accessible maybe? i'm trying to use parport0 for simple tests and i'm curious
01:06.09jaggznever used it.. but maybe you should :)  and call up the drive manufacturer .. it might be under warranty still
01:06.54jaggzhmm.. I don't have an apt/preferences
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01:07.59sixtysixmurphjaggz, dclarke: yeah the fdisk/parted/whatever way doesn't seem to work, e2fsck tells me to use another superblock, that there's corruption. i think the bootable cd with the required utliity is the answer...
01:08.21michal_how BAFFLING
01:08.41michal_is there anyone who knows how kernel package and debian patches work?
01:09.02jaggzin looking at badblocks(3), I'd probably call the manufacturer first.. then I'd try a manuf utility to repair the blocks.. it's possible they've been there since the drive was made.  But in general I'd want to replace it, since they already setup a bad block map in the drive before sending it to you as far as I know -- so if new errors are there, I'd consider the drive unreliable
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01:10.28sixtysixmurphyeah it wouldn't be much of a loss i suppose. i'll try that first anyway, if it doesn't work then i'll fuck it out a window. cheers :)
01:11.06jaggzI just replaced 2 drives .. they were still under warranty
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01:11.52michal_oh you have to be kidding.. "The debian patch package is incompatible to make-kpkg"
01:12.14Trampsixtysixmurph: you may also want to run 'smartctl -a <device>' on it, and check the Pre-fail values
01:12.46sixtysixmurphah i've had this a while - just got some satas for another machine, using these old patas for a file server. well beyond warranty!
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01:17.17dondelelcaromichal_: they're not incompatible, though they may not be automatically appliable by make-kpkg
01:17.35michal_dondelelcaro: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=382699
01:17.56michal_unfortunately the solution no longer seems to work
01:18.42sixtysixmurphhmm, smartctl told me something happened 59 days ago, various bad things seem to have happened.
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01:21.23sixtysixmurph173 of them to be exact
01:21.29lunksabrotman, are you really on both irc channels? =P
01:21.41abrotmanso are you?
01:21.48abrotmanso was themill
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01:22.40dondelelcaromichal_: well, that solution works, but then you'd --added-patches xen, not --added-patches debian
01:22.43lunksThen I joined #ubuntu and read the topic. :>
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01:24.28michal_dondelelcaro: i'm having trouble getting that solution to work.. will verify that the files are being created correctly as they seem to disappear after being run.. which doesn't make any kind of sense
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01:25.51wonkalis there a recommended site to upload an image for discussion here?
01:25.58michal_ahh..they don't disappear
01:26.06michal_just looking in the wrong directory
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01:26.31michal_problem is that /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.18/apply/debian --arch $KPKG_ARCH --subarch xen fails
01:29.30michal_ok.. possibly solved
01:29.36sixtysixmurphjaggz, tramp, dclarke: this disk has won the battle but not the war. thanks for your help... later
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01:29.40jaggzsixty, okay, then try to get a manuf utility (from their website) to mark the sectors bad in the drive.. that's better, imo, than tracking them with software (like using badblocks(3))
01:30.00michal_the way the files were created somehow corrupted their contents.. using vi and cutting and pasting fixed them
01:30.01abrotmanwell then
01:30.16jaggzbut if you really want to just do it right now, use badblocks(3), and get that output to mke2fs (or e3fs) and make your fs.
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01:30.17michal_building now.. if this works then i can try using all the corect revisions, etc
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01:30.25jaggzas long as the damage is not spreading, you'll be fine.
01:30.43jaggzI'm pretty sure the drive is the one who's losing the war :)
01:30.54sixtysixmurphjaggz: badblocks is running in destructive read-write, i'll see what it has to say in the morning
01:30.58jaggzbut maybe it's just stopped after a set amount of injury.
01:31.07jaggzcool.. g'luck.. take care.
01:31.30sixtysixmurphyou're damn right it's losing the war! later, likewise!
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01:33.59jaggzlol.. mounted ntfs-3g volume... " Deficient Linux kernel detected ... unmount is not safe
01:34.04jaggzgreat.  :)
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01:34.17ross`_how do i make it so i can use a .iso as a cd
01:34.18jaggzthankfully there's more:  unless it's made sure the ntfs-3g process naturally terminates
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01:34.59jaggzross, not sure.. probably a good number of webpages on that.  not as a CD though, but just "linux mounting an iso"..
01:35.06ross`_yes
01:35.09ross`_how do i mount somethign
01:35.18foobarwhat's the better recommended way to have a crypted partition on my usb disk ?
01:35.24jaggzask google :)
01:35.54abrotman!mount iso
01:35.54dpkgsomebody said iso mount was mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>
01:36.42ross`_uh
01:36.49ross`_is iso9660 the name of the cd
01:36.50ross`_?
01:36.55ross`_or do you add that in all
01:37.05jaggzthat's the cd filesystem type
01:37.09ross`_oh ok
01:37.14jaggzmost cd's are in that format
01:37.25ross`_where do most people mount stuff too
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01:37.49foobarwhat's the better way to do it in debian then ?
01:38.00jaggzthat's a good question.  :)  I'm not sure of standard cd mounting.. /mnt/cdrom ?
01:38.02foobaris there any package or any system "more compatible" or more automatized or anything ?
01:38.13foobari know that there's a bunch of totally differnts way's to do it
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02:15.48dererkwb again :)
02:15.50akuwamarichroot is used to give to the remote users access to only specific part of file system?
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02:15.53dererkakuwamari, that definition is not much near to reality
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02:15.53rgrothHow do you change the console keyboard layout post-install?
02:15.54dererk!tell akuwamari about chroot
02:15.54namitdoes cron write its output anywhere I can pick it up from?
02:15.54dondelelcaroakuwamari: all chroot does is change what the root is.
02:15.55Tramp!tell rgroth about keymap
02:15.55dondelelcaronamit: by default it sends it to the user whose crontab it is.
02:15.55dondelelcaronamit: man 5 crontab for details
02:16.23rgrothtramp: you rock. thanks
02:16.34TrampI know. np.
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02:21.45abrotmansbk: you removed it .. and the conf files remain
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02:21.54sbkah, ok. thanks much
02:22.13dondelelcarosbk: the headers of the dpkg -l output will clue you in too.
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02:22.48sbkdondelelcaro: ah, I see it now, thanks. I've just been egrep'ing -v '^ii' and missed it
02:22.59dontpanicHi, I need some help with debian:
02:22.59dontpanicI started out running the i386 version of debian, but then I installed the amd64 kernel.  Now when I try to install the amd64 version of virtualbox, it says that my architecture is not compatible.  Does it still think I have i386 architecture?
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02:30.02RiotbladeHey, anyone can recommend a method to log processes and are going over xx Ram or CPU %?
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02:30.30abrotmanRiotblade: there is process accounting
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02:32.14Riotbladeabrotman, any docs on it?
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02:33.29abrotmanRiotblade: i'm sure there are plenty of docs
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02:46.43xuserWhat controls the monitors in console? how can i disable one?
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02:48.37jetscreamernot sure at all
02:50.15zeebleI am not even sure what he means.. maybe to kill a user's tty, or what
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02:52.11xuserzeeble: i have a dual-head setup, I want to only use one monitor in console
02:52.20zeebleah
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02:53.03karstenxuser: the tty's are set in /etc/inittab.  The headedness of console -- that I couldn't tell you.
02:53.34karstenxuser: Turn off the other monitor ;-)
02:53.34zeeble:)
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02:54.02zeebleYou want one monitor to run X, and the other monitor to switch to a console mode?
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02:54.16xuserzeeble: nope, forget about X, just one to run console.
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02:55.14s_Is there any way to verify that the binaries on my installation really are amd64, and not i386?
02:55.57abrotmans_: dpkg-architecture ?
02:56.36s_Awesome, thank you very much.
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02:56.48zeeblexuser: well, i am not sure. What i used to use what something called "switchcreen".. but i am not sure the console thing will work there
02:57.00s_Also, this is sandman. Someone here directed me to some unofficial Etch ISOs with late 2.6 kernels on them. It worked beautifully.
02:57.00abrotmans_: or run file on any binary
02:57.14s_I wanted to thank you very much. I think it was wols_. My laptop is no longer a brick =)
02:58.18abrotmandamn .. would have worked well in the pizza oven
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02:58.54xuserzeeble: k, I'll keep googling, looks like I hit a bug in the ati driver.
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02:59.39xuserbut that is another issue :)
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03:02.41nonohi there
03:02.45AnoninonHi, is there a way to upgrade from 2.6.18 to 2.6.20+ on Etch via apt-get or aptitude
03:02.59xuserAnoninon: backports.org
03:03.04pgpkeysif the repos you're using contains a kernel of that level
03:03.11pgpkeys2.6.24 is the most current
03:03.28AnoninonCool, I just need some ntfs-3g support to resize a partition
03:03.50abrotmanAnoninon: there is an ntfs-3g package there alos
03:03.56nonois there anyway to set up eassily a debian mirror for its packages,i mean just the 386-architecture?
03:04.08abrotmannono: why?
03:04.19Anoninonabrotman: what ?
03:04.29nonobecause apt-mirror tends to mirror a whole debian site including it's webapage, etc,etc,...
03:04.32abrotmanAnoninon: there is a backported ntfs-3g so you dcon't have to build it yourself
03:04.44abrotmannono: i meant .. what are you really trying to do ?
03:04.53Anoninonabrotman: oh, what rep. is it in ? i did a search and didn't find anything.
03:05.20abrotmanAnoninon: the etch-backports .. at backports.org .. hence .. "there also"
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03:05.36Anoninonabrotman: sorry missed that. thanks a lot.
03:05.43abrotmanAnoninon: just make sure you follow the instructions at the site
03:05.47nonoabrotman: becoase i have a laptop on wich i want to install debian/ubuntu but i need a basic install first
03:06.00abrotmani'm not sure how a mirror helps here
03:06.26nonoabrotman: and i have 50 gigs left on my harddsik
03:06.39abrotmani still don't see why you'd want a mirror
03:06.40nonoabrotman: another linux-box
03:06.41zeeblethen download the netinstall iso, do a base install, and then get the rest
03:07.05zeebleto download even all the ix86 packages is going to be a hell of a bandwidth waste
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03:07.22pgpkeysnot a waste if he wants to make his own repos
03:07.56abrotmanhe doesn't need to mirror everything to do that
03:08.05LimCorewhat is an fast/trivial utility, to which I just feed 1d or 2d function data, and it quickly makes a .png with some kind of graph of that data?
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03:08.50dondelelcaroLimCore: there aren't any useful trivial ones, because normally you want to do something useful with the data to plot it.
03:08.53pgpkeysdude, did he ask IF he should or whether any of US thought he should? no, he asked HOW to. there's a big difference. why do people try to decide whether someone should or should not do what they want to do. it's none of our business how he uses his bandwidth.
03:09.10abrotmanthen tell him already
03:09.10nonoabrotman: well during the installation of the  laptop it says that it can not find an appropiate fie tostart the installation, that's after booting from floppies and the first time it connects to a debian mirror
03:09.18pgpkeysshow him how to do it, let him waste his time (if it's really a waste of time, WE don't know that it is or isn't) and move on
03:09.39dondelelcaropgpkeys: we're here to help people, and that often means figuring out exactly what they want to do, not what they think they want to do.
03:09.39abrotmannono: the file from the CD or an http source?
03:09.46LimCoredondelelcaro: not really, I simmply want to see it
03:10.04abrotmannono: your laptop can't boot a CD?
03:10.29pgpkeysdondelelcaro: helping doesn't mean deciding if they should or shouldn't. totally independant of the what of their idea or the how
03:10.34pgpkeysnono: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto
03:10.39beardyubuntu?
03:10.51abrotmanwhich still isn't the answer to his original question
03:10.51nonoabrotman: because my laptop did not come with cdrom ;-(
03:11.07abrotmannono: oh .. which floppies are you using?
03:11.08dondelelcaropgpkeys: no, but it does mean asking them questions to make sure that what they're deciding is the right thing.
03:11.12pgpkeysabrotman: uhh yeah it does.
03:11.22abrotmanpgpkeys: he asked how to do a mirror .. not a repo
03:11.26pgpkeysdondelelcaro: now *that* is an exact answer
03:11.49nonopgpkeys :thnxs will have a look over there
03:11.52pgpkeysabrotman: uhh that describes exactly what to do. a mirror IS a repository. it's a copy of the main tree
03:11.54abrotmannono: if the floppies you're using don't have a driver for your NIC, a local http mirror isn't going to be much help
03:12.08zeebleexactly.
03:12.10pgpkeysall HE has to do is limit the architecture he wants to grab
03:12.18abrotmanpgpkeys: you're not helping
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03:12.54pgpkeysabrotman: I already provided the help. via the tutorial URL i gave him :)
03:12.54zeeblepgpkeys: you can help the way you want to, others can help the way they _choose_ to define help.
03:12.55pgpkeysnext
03:13.04abrotmanpgpkeys: you're not reading anything else are you?
03:13.10dondelelcaropgpkeys: that's not the page that explains it. http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ftpmirror is.
03:13.18nonoabrotman: I have used etch but than it says no harddsik installed, but really i do have a harddisk installed i thelatop
03:13.34abrotmannono: how old is this laptop ?
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03:14.07s_Question: may I pin on distribution keywords, like Etch, Lenny, and Sid, or must I pin upon "stable", "testing", or "unstable" in /etc/apt/preferences?
03:14.08pgpkeysdondelelcaro: actually.. both would assist him (based on the way he asked the question) but I agree your's was the 'better' of the 2 ;)
03:14.17abrotmanoh .. so i was right
03:14.34abrotmans_: either should work IIRC
03:14.42nonoabrotman: well my laptop has an intelpro chipset for the NIC => should be supported,yes it's the NIC onwhich i connect to my local lan
03:14.46s_I ask this because if I pin upon a dist keyword like Lenny, when testing rolls over to Stable, my system will, in turn, roll into stable.
03:14.46dondelelcaros_: you must pin on things that the Release file metions
03:14.58s_Which is what I'd like
03:14.59s_Okay
03:15.11abrotmannono: so the network does work, but the installer can't find a disk to install to?
03:15.13dondelelcaros_: and if they change, you must change with them.
03:15.17s_dondelelcaro: Ehh, where's the release file again?
03:15.35abrotmans_: the one you use from your apt source
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03:16.01nonoabrotman: yes indeed ;-(
03:16.10abrotmannono: how was the mirror supposed to help you?
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03:16.16dondelelcaros_: it's in the root of the mirror, so http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release for example
03:16.52abrotmannono: is this laptop very old? or very new?
03:17.05jimwhen;s daylite time starting?
03:17.09abrotmanjim: this weekend
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03:17.16jimgrumble...
03:17.17nonoabrotman: but when i tried to install sarge i can partition my disks but cannot access a debian mirror, wellnot the us or nl or se mirror
03:17.23dondelelcarojim: zonedump will tell you if you ever forget
03:17.30jimoh cool
03:17.32abrotmannono: did you try the 2.4 and 2.6 sarge kernels ?
03:17.41dondelelcarojim: err, zdump, rather.
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03:18.59nonoabrotman: well it got a windo$98 sticker on it so let it be 8 years old at least
03:19.32zeeblenono: do you know which ethernet chipset is uses? or which driver it used earlier?
03:19.48abrotmanand is it a PCMCIA card or built-in ?
03:20.06nonoabrotman: both kernel version i tried 2.2* => sarge and 2.6* etch from floppy ...
03:20.21abrotmansarge has a 2.4 and 2.6
03:20.37nonoabrotman: it wont be floppy issue isn't it?
03:20.47abrotmannono: floppy issue?
03:21.22nonoabrotman: because it seems to read correctly from floppies => data isloaded from floppy
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03:21.54s_dondelelcaro: The Release files appear to mention not only the suite (Stable, Testing, and Unstable), but also the codenames (Etch, Lenny, and Sid)
03:22.09jimif you actually have a working floppy, you need to sell it to a museum.... could be worth some bucks...
03:22.15dondelelcaros_: right, so that will work so long as they're mentioned.
03:22.17abrotmanjim: they sell new ones
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03:22.30jimnot working ones :)
03:22.33dontpanicHi, I'm having a problem installing virtualbox:
03:22.34dontpanicI started out running the i386 version of debian, but then I installed the amd64 kernel.  Now when I try to install the amd64 version of virtualbox, it says that my architecture is not compatible.  Does it still think I have i386 architecture?
03:22.37jimespecially sony baloney
03:22.46s_dondelelcaro: Well, how am I supposed to know when it gets changed
03:22.49dondelelcaros_: my point wasn't really to contradict abrotman, but to tell you where that information comes from so you know why you can use those names. ;-)
03:22.59s_Ah
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03:23.42dondelelcaros_: in the case of Debian, they should continue to mean what you'd expect, stable, testing and unstable are always what they are, and the release codenames move as the normally move.
03:24.09RULONwich program i have to install to decompress and extract gzip, rar and those type of files?
03:24.19nonoabrotman: well etch recognises the wpc54g adapter but i run into trouble with my wireless ... i stopped that path ;-)
03:24.19abrotmannono: you've got to pick a path :)
03:24.19abrotmannono: i think we're now troubleshooting 12 installation methods you've tried
03:24.19nonojim: Okay LOL willkeep that in mind ;-)
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03:24.28zeebleunrar for rar, gzip for gzip
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03:24.39RULONok zeeble
03:24.40abrotmanRULON: for gzip .. the package is gzip
03:24.44abrotman!tell RULON about unrar
03:25.02jimrar rar sis boom bar
03:26.06nonoabrotman: my old laptop recognises the intelpro chipset because during the installation it performs a wget succesfully => that intelpro NIC is workin perfectly
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03:26.30abrotmanbut it can't see your HDD
03:26.36abrotmanright?
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03:27.26niruhi all
03:27.38niruwe have the gnome packages translated in many indian languages
03:27.44nonoabrotman: with installing etch it does not recognise my harddisk
03:27.46niruI want to upload them
03:27.50niruwhere can i do that
03:27.56nonoabrotman: just the floppy
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03:28.10jimupload to what? :)
03:28.16RULONi can see that ilready have gzip installed, but i dont see it as an option to open gzip files, what can i do?
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03:28.18abrotmannono: and sarge sees your harddrive .. but the network fails ?
03:28.19zeebleniru: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto
03:28.31abrotmanzeeble: i think he wants it to be official
03:28.36nonoabrotman: correct
03:28.38zeebleah
03:28.49zeebleget on the devel mailing list :p
03:28.58abrotmannono: and etch also works with your wireless .. but still doesn't see your HDD ...
03:29.12abrotmannono: have you looked in the BIOS to see if there are any options to try?
03:29.25niruzeeble, I want to give it to upstream
03:29.34niruzeeble, whome I need to contact
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03:29.47jimso we're in a new hardware phase... it's time to sharpen the netinstall building skills
03:29.53niruzeeble, and where I need to start from to contribute and upstream these packages
03:30.00nonoabrotman: brb just 1 minute, going to chack that
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03:30.15abrotmanhttp://wiki.debian.org/I18n
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03:30.41aztekwhat's the default us debian security repo?
03:30.47abrotmanaztek: for etch?
03:30.50azteksi
03:31.18abrotmandeb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main ... add contrib/non-free if needed
03:31.25aztekthanks
03:31.37jimniru: one way to start is just to make the packages available somewhere that's stable (good net connection, static IP, authoritative dns points at it) and then post to debian-devel and maybe also debian-i18n mailing lists
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03:31.59jimif they're not actually packaged, that's ok too
03:32.03tengulrehi,all ! how to building the deb file?
03:32.11MiescoHow do I find out what kernel lenny uses?
03:32.17nirujim, ya I have po files available in 13 indian languages
03:32.32abrotman!tell tengulre about mg
03:32.38abrotmanMiesco: 2.6.22
03:32.43abrotmanMiesco: or packages.debian.org
03:32.48nonoabrotman: it recognises my ibm:ic25n040atcs05-0(pm)
03:32.57Miescoabrotman: Isn't that what etch uses?
03:33.01abrotmannono: what the heck is that?
03:33.02jimlenny uses many kernels... one way to find out is install lenny
03:33.05abrotmanMiesco: not officially
03:33.17jimetch uses 2.6.18 with some patches
03:33.23zeebleniru: create a local repository first, then post to the debian-devel mailing list. you can take it from there,
03:33.48nonoabrotman: it recognises my ibm:ic25n040atcs05-0(pm) => a 40 gigs 2.5 inch harddisk
03:33.52RULONi can see that ilready have gzip installed, but i dont see it as an option to open gzip files, what can i do?
03:34.05nirujim,zeeble,but in future will my teams name appear anywhere or it will be taken over by debian
03:34.11jimnono: want to install onto that 40g?
03:34.11abrotmannono: so the BIOS sees it? but are there options for the HDD controller that might change whether or not etch sees it
03:34.12Miescojim: Etch made my upgrade to 2.6.22-4
03:34.21abrotmanah no
03:34.29zeebleniru: read the policy document. your names will appear as well.
03:34.33abrotmanRULON: option where?
03:34.36zeebleniru: read the packaging howto, etc etc
03:34.54MiescoWell im thinking about installing lenny (again) but I want to make sure there is a nvidia kernel package for a kernel lenny uses...
03:35.01niruzeeble, jim we even have developed a good lookign front end for keyjnote(a presentation tool written in python).Where can i upload that
03:35.02abrotmannot in lenny currently
03:35.22jimniru: I think as long as you do things in a dfsg-free manner, you can pretty much have what you want
03:35.22RULONabrotman,  right click on the file, or double click, it just dont open with gzip and i dont see it on the recommended program list
03:35.33abrotmanright click WHERE?
03:35.41abrotmanKDE? Gnome? windows?
03:35.43RULONabrotman, on the gzip file?
03:35.46RULON:s
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03:35.58RULONxfce
03:36.00zeebleniru: as i said earlier, create your own repository, and put all your packages there. it will all be reviewed before acceptance. read the related documents on the debian website
03:36.01jimright click on the red button beside the monitor!
03:36.11jimwait, no! not the red button!
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03:36.29nonoabrotman: i brb gonna check the siemens website gonna tell wheter or not the amount of harddisk space is supported bymy laptop
03:36.37MiescoIs the number after 2.6.22 the patch number?
03:36.45abrotmana siemens laptop ?
03:36.52abrotmanMiesco: ABI version
03:36.57jimnumber of times that version been uploaded?
03:37.08abrotmanRULON: i'd guess you need file-roller .. i odn't use xfce
03:37.13abrotmanjim: it's the ABI version
03:37.18jimoh ok
03:37.29Miesco!dpkg ABI
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03:37.33RULONabrotman,  where those programs are located?
03:37.39abrotman!tell Miesco about abi
03:37.46abrotmanRULON: in your apt repository ?
03:37.51jimabi road?
03:38.49MiescoWhat the heck, that doesn't make sense, application binary interface
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03:39.13MiescoHow could a number represent that
03:39.21abrotmanit's a version number
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03:39.38MiescoHow can there be a version of a ABI?
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03:39.51jimabis can change
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03:40.09jimyou assign a number to a particular state
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03:40.17jimand refer to that number
03:40.18RULONwhere is the apt directory?
03:40.29RULONwhere programs are located
03:40.39tengulrehow to install .deb package?
03:40.43MiescoHmm, im going to have to read about this, what should I search on wikipedia?
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03:40.58jimtengulre: dpkg --help
03:41.01Miescotengulre: man dpkg
03:41.08abrotman!tell Miesco about abi
03:41.12pgpkeyshrmm. damn irssi
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03:42.07Miescoabrotman: You typed the same !tell and this time it gave me a link, how come?
03:42.14RULONjim,  whatup, look could u tell me where the directory apt is? the one where all the programs ive installed from repositories are
03:42.16abrotmanMiesco: i had just added that
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03:42.36pgpkeysnot accepting WAIT on server join. can't identify to nickserv in time to join #fedora. seems autocmd with a wait 20 chained it isn't gonna cut it.
03:42.47abrotmanpgpkeys: i thought it was 'sleep' ?
03:43.09abrotmaneh .. ask #irssi ? :)
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03:43.39abrotmanpgpkeys: i thought it was 'sleep <time>'
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03:43.47pgpkeyshehe no biggie. just was talkin out loud
03:43.58jimRULON: THAT is the subject of a fairly dense adventure that you could go exploring yourself... if some guy goes "Hey look over there, some water squirts out of the ground every hour or so", you might want to look in that other direction where the green grass and the babes are
03:44.23abrotmanpgpkeys: the irssi site has a section aobut doing things at startup .. i seem to recall that is part of it
03:44.32jimRULON: the tools you need for that...
03:44.36jimcd
03:44.37jimls
03:44.59pgpkeysabrotman: tis what i'm using
03:45.05abrotmanbut i thought it was sleep
03:45.07pgpkeysthey use 'wait' rather than sleep
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03:45.32RULONjim, how an executable looks? i mean does it have an especifica extension?
03:45.38pgpkeysi'll call sleep instead, just not sure why wait isn't cutting it
03:45.40jimit -really- will be good for your understanding to figure out yourself where stuff is, then refine that knowledge by asking things like "why is this here?"
03:45.41abrotmanoh .. damn it . it is 'wait'
03:45.57pgpkeyssleep might block iirc
03:45.58jimRULON: nope! (can you guess it?)
03:45.59abrotmanpgpkeys: maybe your version is too old and doesn't support it ?
03:46.13RULON:/
03:46.15pgpkeysdon't think wait will (waits x amount of time for the exit code of the last cmd)
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03:46.24MiescoSo lenny does not have nvidia kernel's yet?
03:46.26pgpkeysabrotman: hehe no. it's the current
03:46.34abrotmanpgpkeys: it has like "/NETWORK ADD -autosendcmd "/^msg nickserv ident pass;wait 2000" OFTC"
03:46.49pgpkeysabrotman: exact page :)
03:46.57jimRULON: dude... you decided to install linux on your box... now you have the chance to see what it really looks like
03:46.59nonoabrotman: well i  checked the documentations which comes the hardware but even that document does not mention anything about max. hardsisk or whatever
03:47.09abrotmannono: i meant a chipset option
03:47.26abrotmanyou know .. an option in the BIOS to set a parameter
03:47.36abrotmanlike "Hotdogs: On/Off"
03:47.58jimRULON: look at it this way... have I steered you wrong yet?
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03:48.49nirujim, will only po files will do or I need to create the packages also for all the languages
03:48.55nirujim, before uploading
03:49.00jimON hot dog... ON dancer... ON prancer...
03:49.27pinto3a computer with a red glowing nose
03:49.46nonoabrotman: i think im gonna make some else happy with that laptop
03:49.48pgpkeysno computer games for it either?
03:50.01jimniru: yaknow something... you're not at the right level talking to debian... you should be talking to gnome
03:50.23pgpkeysthey wouldn't let rudolph play any reindeer games. so no games for the computer with the glowing red nose
03:50.26nonoabrotman: thnxs for the help to clarify at least something
03:50.27abrotmannono: you could try (probably want to wait til tomorrow) #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net .. see if one of the kernel options might help you .. like apci or apic
03:51.22nonookay thnxs gonna check #debian-boot
03:51.29nonosee ya;-)
03:51.33jimthe red nose was what happened when Rudolph stuck his nose in when Santa was cookin a hot dog
03:51.55abrotmanwhere in santa ?
03:52.21DawnLightsatan?
03:52.25craigevilhis nose was red because him and santa were alcoholics
03:53.31pgpkeystoo much red dog
03:53.51jimthat red bull got mad
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04:01.44michal_dealing with make-kpkg and xen is a living hell.. finally got something to compile.. but it's not what I was after
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04:04.11michal_at this stage i think i'd be willing to pay someone to build me the damn thing
04:04.19jimmichal_: having living hells is another of your patterns
04:04.55michal_jim: well i haven't had one in over a year. it doesn't recur that frequently
04:05.18jimapparantly only when I'm around to watch :)
04:05.39abrotmanmichal_: someone did .. debian makes xen kernels
04:06.08jimyeah, xen-3.1 is available as backports to etch
04:06.14michal_abrotman: pity they don't support the most important feature many if not most xen users want :/
04:06.23abrotmanwhich is?
04:06.56michal_CONFIG_XEN_BLKDEV_TAP
04:07.02jim"we wanna make really loud noises with the speakers!"
04:07.53michal_this allows for file images using tap:aio instead of file.. the file image acess method is almost universally reviled
04:08.04michal_i believe it's getting removed completely in a future version
04:08.26abrotmanmust not be that important
04:08.36jimyou put yourself thru hell by your own choice... I -know- you're smart enough to stop choosing that...
04:09.02michal_it's the only way to use xen safely with file images
04:09.05michal_so it's rather important
04:09.07jimbut I see you continuing to choose when you fail to listen :)
04:09.16abrotmanbut it's still getting removed ...
04:09.31michal_file is getting removed.. tap:aio will be the only supported method
04:09.39michal_that isn't supported by the debian xen kernel
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04:10.06jimme, I didn't use images... I wanted to resurrect an old debian installation I thought I'd have lost but carefully didn't format
04:10.23jimso nothing was an image
04:10.39michal_we need to use file images to allow faster backups and ease moving the vm's
04:11.47jimyou mean filesystem images?
04:12.02michal_yes
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04:12.50jimwell it's not going to be the -only- supported method... you can still use real disks
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04:13.17michal_how do i move real disks around quickly without taking the machine apart?
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04:14.13michal_the intention is for the images to be stored NAS anyway
04:14.18michal_on NAS
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04:14.55cireSorry, I know this is very off topic. When are the democrat's elections in Texas finished? Or better, when do they know a result? (I'm not from the U.S.)
04:15.18kgoetzcire: try #politics
04:15.22kgoetz* ##politics
04:15.33cireI'll do so
04:15.42ciretried #talk, but nobody was there ;)
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04:18.30dondelelcarocire: or just look at cnn.com or some other news site.
04:18.47cire##politics is just fine, thanks
04:19.24emmapolitics is not fine
04:20.03jimoh, well, I don't move my installation around... one, it's not running at the moment; two, I'm not even running a xen kernel; and three, I probably need a bit more ram (but don't want to think about buying it)
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04:20.26michal_i may just build a redhat based xen server.. i now that works.. it's not like i'll be doing anything important in the dom0.. all the important servers and configuration can be in debian domU's.. or maybe centos is a better choice.. they have the free server version. anyone have any experience with xen on those? can centos build debian domU's like debian can build centos ones?
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04:24.18michal_jim: do you know if it's possible to build a single kernel modle for an existing kernel?
04:24.20dondelelcaromichal_: are you still having trouble building a xen kernel?
04:24.21michal_module
04:25.01dondelelcaromichal_: if --added-patches debian or --added-patches xen isn't working, you can easily appply the patches manually and then call make-kpkg.
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04:25.08michal_dondelelcaro: yes. i keep getting closer. but still not there. the "wrong" way i was using initially got me much MUCH closer than anything since :/
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04:25.17jimyou can probably run debootstrap on centos
04:25.37dondelelcaromichal_: it's not terribly difficult, and if you're having problems with it, giving us the full output of the problem or an explanation will help us, while keeping your frustration level low.
04:25.50jimmy idea is to serve it with chocolate ice cream and strawberries
04:25.50michal_centos website seems to have missed announcing centos 5 :P looks like there's a 2 year gap
04:25.53kgoetzjim: you can, if you extract the scripts out of the deb
04:26.17dondelelcaromichal_: and it's also not like you even need to use the Debian kernel patches...
04:26.40jimmichal_: yes, you can build modules for existing kernel images
04:26.51michal_dondelelcaro: i have it building the kernel image now but there is something wrng with it.. ie when it installs it fails to crate the initrd like every other initrd kernel.. i've also never been able to get the modules-image to build. i'm not even sure what if any error it gives for that
04:27.06dondelelcaromichal_: you didn't specify --initrd most likely.
04:27.11michal_so could i build this 1 missing module for the existing debian kernel?
04:27.21michal_because if that were possible it would be INFINETELY simpler
04:27.27dondelelcaromichal_: and you don't need ot build modules-image unless you're building external modules.
04:27.48michal_dondelelcaro: i did specify --initrd.. that's why it gives an error saying it can't create the initd when the deb installs
04:27.51dondelelcaromichal_: and yes, if you have the source code, you can build just that single module too, assuming you've got the right config and the right version of the compiler installed.
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04:27.58dondelelcaromichal_: what's the precise error that it gives?
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04:28.23michal_dondelelcaro: are you sure i don't need the modules-image deb package? debian comes with them
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04:28.43dondelelcaromichal_: I'm absolutely sure. modules-image doesn't do what you appear to think it does.
04:29.14michal_Setting up linux-xen0-2.6.18-686-xen-pwd (20080305) ...
04:29.14michal_Please manually create an initrd image
04:29.32michal_for all other make-kpkg generated initrd kernels it does this automatically
04:29.37michal_including my previous xen kernels
04:29.51dondelelcaromichal_: well, it's not terribly difficult to make an initrd manually.
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04:32.08michal_it seems it's different in some way to all other kernels :/ otherwise it shouldn't give me that message should it?
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04:32.37michal_dondelelcaro: if i look at the contents of the debian supplied linux-modules package it contains all the kernel modules
04:32.53dondelelcaromichal_: just run update-initramfs -k linux-xen0-2.6.18-686-xen-pwd
04:32.53dondelelcaroer, s/linux-xen0//
04:32.53dondelelcaro(and you'll probably want the -c option too)
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04:34.59dondelelcaromichal_: sure, but that's not what modules_image *does*
04:35.24michal_well what does create that package? because it's not created by make-kpkg at the moment
04:35.34michal_i just have linux-image
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04:35.42dondelelcaromichal_: only the kenrel package does, and that package is only useful for domU machines.
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04:36.04dondelelcaromichal_: it's nothing more than the image package without the kernel
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04:37.43michal_ok.. things are looking mildly promising..
04:37.47michal_let's see if this thing boots
04:38.12michal_hmm.. odd.. it didn't hook into grub either
04:38.28michal_so that's the initrd and grub hooks that have failed to work so far :/
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04:39.03michal_i wonder why.. these feature of make-kpkg build kernels have always worked for me
04:39.35dondelelcaromichal_: I'd have to see the postinst for whatever kernel you built to see why its' not, but most likely it's got $initrd = 'No', and $do_bootloader = 'No'
04:39.37jimtry running update-grub
04:40.02michal_update-grub doesn't catch it
04:40.03dondelelcaromichal_: as for why that's the case, I'd have to see exactly the set of commands that you ran with make-kpkg and the output.
04:40.23jimbut you can also try booting from the grub shell
04:40.38dondelelcaromichal_: if update-grub doesn't catch it, then something is wrong with the package
04:40.41michal_oh that on't be a problem.. i'm just a little bewildered
04:41.12michal_what does update-grub look for?
04:41.25dondelelcaromichal_: anything that matches /boot/vmlinu[zx]
04:41.34michal_well there's the problem
04:41.43michal_it doesn't match.. xen0-linux-2.6.18-686-xen-pwd
04:41.49michal_instead of vmlinuz
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04:42.35michal_is the command used to build it
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04:44.57dondelelcarouh... it should be something like vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-xen-686
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04:52.00michal_http://www.badpacket.info/junk/blah.txt
04:52.07michal_well it sems i'm not the only one
04:52.11michal_must be a "feature"
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04:53.28michal_why do i always end up poking around the broken corners of debian? :/ yet somehow i keep coming back to it. there's a lot more good than bad.
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04:55.27michal_that page has some useful information.. if it works..
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05:09.28joeyywhere I could read some docs on how to setup wireless on debian with no GUI interace?
05:09.31s2rthhi
05:09.36joeyythanks!
05:09.40s2rthi hav a doubt
05:09.50s2rthwe hav a debian mirror at college
05:09.58jimand a fear and uncertainty? :)\
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05:10.06s2rthi added the repositories to sources.list
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05:10.19s2rthbut i dont know howto sign it
05:10.19s2rthwith gpg
05:10.29s2rthmay i know howto do it
05:10.57Farejoeyy: static config or roaming?
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05:18.40lindenleCan someone help me with an rsync line  to get all the files like yield.*.root from a remote machine but  nothing else?
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05:19.16smacnayHi, I am trying to get ssh access to my computer to only rsa keys.  No password.  Shhd is running.  I have an id_rsa and id_rsa.pub key pair made.  sshd is set to not allow password logins and to allow rsa authetication.  However, I get a denied message when trying to ssh into localhost.  Does the .pub key need to be catted into the /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub file?
05:20.00lindenleyou can put it in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
05:20.04lindenleon the host
05:20.27smacnaylindenle, thanks
05:20.31Faresmacnay, see what errors you get with ssh -v and/or on the server error log
05:20.36lindenlesmacnay: no prob
05:20.40Fare(but try the simpler things first)
05:21.04smacnaylindenle, is that a dir or file?  authorized_keys?
05:21.09lindenlefile
05:21.20lindenlecat id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys
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05:21.27smacnaylindenle, so cat it onto that file if there are more than one...
05:21.34lindenleyep
05:21.38lindenle>>
05:22.39smacnaylindenle, thanks - that did it.
05:22.43lindenle;)
05:22.51lindenleany rsync gurus in the house?
05:22.56smacnayI thought it would just read the .pub file but I was wrong.
05:23.07lindenleno worries
05:23.23smacnayNow - to remember to carry the key on some form of portable mem so I can use it from afar.
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05:23.39smacnaylindenle, I need to have the private key with me at all times, correct?
05:23.48lindenlesmacnay: yes
05:23.53smacnaylindenle, thanks again.
05:24.08lindenleIf you carry it on portablemedia I would make sure and have a strong password on the key
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05:24.16lindenlein case you lose it
05:24.28lindenlethe media that is
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05:25.01smacnaylindenle, I have a decent password but certainly not the strongest.  There is nothing of great value on my machine anyway.  You would be a fool to spend any time hacking my machine.
05:25.09lindenleha ha
05:25.15lindenleno spare time here
05:25.17lindenle;)
05:25.49Faresmacnay, your machine is probably worth a few cents two in the zombie spambot market
05:25.54smacnaylindenle, use your spare time for other pursuits... you would kick yourself for wasting it on someone like me.
05:26.09smacnayFare, true, I never thought of that.
05:26.41lindenlewas just free advice take it or leave it
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05:28.02smacnaylindenle, taken and noted - thanks (phi mesons??)
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05:29.27lindenleyes they are contaminating my J/Psi signal and it is pissing me off
05:29.38lindenle;) particle physics
05:29.51lindenlenm about rsync i got it now
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05:30.30smacnaylindenle, hmmm - I know nothing of phi mesons.  Sounds neat, though.
05:31.02lindenleFare: cloud book sounds pretty sexy
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05:32.20FareI bought it for my gf, but the default installation is pretty useless
05:32.25lindenleFare: What is the issue have you looked at install-mbr
05:32.30Fareso I want to install debian on it
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05:32.37lindenlenaturally
05:32.52lindenlealso cool that you have a girlfreind who can use debian
05:32.58lindenlefriend
05:33.08lindenle!install-mbr
05:34.13Fareok, apt-get install mbr
05:34.13lindenle!install-mbr
05:34.13dpkgfrom memory, install-mbr is If your system refuses to boot from the memory stick, the stick may contain an invalid master boot record (MBR). To fix this, use the install-mbr command from the package mbr:
05:34.23lindenle!botsnack
05:34.23dpkglindenle: :)
05:34.48kgoetzFare: cloudbook?
05:34.53Fareof course, apt-get install doesn't work on the cloudbook
05:34.58lindenleha ha
05:35.28Farekgoetz, what would be the proper channel?
05:35.57Farealso, if I could get said SDHC thing encrypted with loop-aes or such, it would be even better
05:36.02kgoetzFare: for xo's? i dont think there is one. i'm not telling you off :)
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05:36.10Fareoh, and swap is good for suspend-to-{disk,both}
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05:36.20FareB2 ?
05:36.28kgoetzXO hardware beta
05:36.31AlohaCaliforIs there a good site for old kernel precompiled debian packages?
05:36.48Fareoh. I just got my XO this monday (ordered it in november)
05:36.57lindenleAlohaCalifor: backports.org
05:37.04kgoetzFare: G2G1 program?
05:37.18kgoetzAlohaCalifor: what do you mean? backports or snapshots(.debian.net)
05:37.31scorcheG!G! ;)
05:37.37scorcheerrr.... G1G1
05:37.44AlohaCalifori'm trying to find linux-image-2.6.15.deb or something similar
05:37.56kgoetzscorche: *grin*
05:38.01AlohaCaliforI don't want to compile it myself =\
05:38.15scorchelindenle: it is
05:38.20kgoetzlindenle: its the (correct) name for the olpc laptop
05:38.39lindenleah ok
05:38.43Farekgoetz, yup
05:39.02FareAlohaCalifor, compiling is not THAT hard, with the proper debian packages.
05:40.46lindenleI thought it was supposed to have a hand crank....WTF
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05:41.16kgoetzlindenle: they ditched that idea loooong ago
05:41.24scorchelindenle: the early prototypes did, but it just proved too fragile....there are external units though
05:41.40lindenleok
05:41.42lindenlethx
05:42.49kaiorafaelhello guys, i'm having a really strange problem with my gnome desktop, when i double click som whatever.desktop icon, gedits opens that file
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05:43.28kgoetzkaiorafael: broken file asociations
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05:44.05kaiorafaelkgoetz: im running lenny, how do fix that
05:44.10AlohaCaliforhrm, ill try my hand at compiling the kernel....
05:44.19kaiorafael?
05:44.30Farekaiorafael, nothing wrong with lenny
05:44.46kgoetzkaiorafael: try right clicking the file, properties, open with (or similar tab), then making sure theres no gedit selected
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05:45.51kaiorafaelFare: i know, just to inform ;)
05:46.02lindenle!tell AlohaCalifor about mak-kpkg
05:46.13lindenle!tell AlohaCalifor about make-kpkg
05:46.16kaiorafaelkgoetz: you are right, it is sign to open with gedit
05:46.32kgoetzkaiorafael: try and remove the asignment
05:46.45AlohaCaliforthank you lindenle
05:47.00lindenleof course
05:47.32lindenleIs there a version of xnest for kde?
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05:48.27kgoetzlindenle: what do you mean?
05:48.28kgoetzxnest is DE agnostic
05:48.38lindenlekgoetz:  that answers that
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05:52.44sIs there a way to tell when a package was moved into Lenny from Sid?
05:53.08kaiorafaelkgoetz: do i have to change something in the gconf configuration? im not able to remove the asign
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05:53.48kgoetzkaiorafael: you may have to. you'll probably have to ask a gnome channel though, i'm not sure how you would
05:54.38kaiorafaelkgoetz: ok, thanks anyway
05:55.47kgoetzkaiorafael: good luck with it
05:56.19Faregrrrr, I can't get the cloudbook to boot on the usb stick or sdhc
05:56.44lindenleFare: BIOS upgrade?
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05:57.40Farelindenle: *shudder*
05:57.52kgoetzFare: at bios or upgrading it? ;)
05:58.12lindenleFare: google?
05:59.22kgoetzFare: hows the cloud going?
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06:00.04nepbabu!beer kgoetz
06:00.29kgoetz:D
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06:00.46kgoetz!love nepbabu
06:00.46ptfreeDoes anyone known how to add option to module while it loads at boot time?
06:00.47lindenlemmmm Jever
06:01.02nepbabuwtf? :P hehe
06:01.07kgoetz*grin*
06:01.07lindenle<PROTECTED>
06:01.13nepbabukgoetz, finished for today?
06:01.17lindenleor in /etc/modules
06:01.20kgoetznepbabu: still at work
06:01.37nepbabukgoetz, take an early one. :D
06:01.45lindenleptfree: man /etcmodules
06:01.50kgoetznepbabu: still tossing up over it - i was here at 8am
06:02.12ptfreeanytime I must rmmod snd_hd then modprobe snd_hd MODEL=LENOVO
06:02.13nepbabu:)
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06:04.50lindenleFare: I did not see much
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06:05.01lindenleFare:  do you get anything at all from USB
06:05.20lindenleFare:  Is there a bios option to boot from USB?
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06:05.37basantacan't find gnome-ppp in lenny
06:05.43Fareyes, the bios says it lets me boot from usb
06:05.51Nyle!why is gnome-ppp not in lenny
06:05.51dpkgNyle: what are you talking about?
06:05.58Nyle!why is gnome-ppp not in testing
06:05.58dpkggnome-ppp is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gnome-ppp
06:05.58Farebut at best, I got a blank screen hung, at worst, it just chained into the hard disk
06:06.30Fareis there a boot image for debian on usb?
06:06.33lindenleFare: Event with install-mbr?
06:06.42lindenleFare: yes
06:06.58lindenleFare: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en
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06:08.22lindenleFare: tmake sense?
06:08.29lindenle//topic
06:09.49Fareeven with install-mbr
06:10.23Farethere might be a confusing thing with the fact that the on-board hd is not connected via IDE (or at least, it appears as /dev/sda)
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06:12.36Fareit seems to me the on-board drive is itself connected thru usb
06:13.36lindenleFare: strange
06:13.53lindenleFare: in the bios do you see more tha one device (boot with the stick in)
06:14.10Fareyes, I do
06:14.20Fareand I can put some devices higher than others
06:14.35Farebut a usb stick that works on my main computer doesn't here
06:14.50Farelemme try on an old thinkpad...
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06:16.46Farehow many underpowered laptops are there in this house?
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06:18.17lindenleFare:  Is there an option like legacy usb in the bios
06:19.42lindenleFare: try messing with that
06:19.57Farelooks like my bootable stick bitrotted and/or install-mbr did it wrong
06:19.57lindenleI am looking at the cloudbook manual....
06:20.26Nylewth are you doing?
06:20.37NyleFare: do you know how to make a bootable usb ?
06:20.40Nylefor linux
06:20.52Nyle(minus 'for linux')
06:20.55Nylein debian?
06:21.48Nyleummm
06:21.51lindenlenope
06:22.08Nylego read the install guide
06:22.14Nyleespecially chapter 3
06:22.19Nylecan't recall exactly which section
06:22.23Nyle!ig
06:22.23dpkgI heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
06:22.24lindenleNyle: I gave him the link
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06:22.31lindenleearlier
06:22.36Nyleoh ok
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06:23.03Nylenm its chapter 4
06:23.28shalehcan someone point me to a howto for entering European language characters on an English (us) keyboard? Things like umlauts and what not?
06:23.40shalehnot in GNOME, or KDE
06:23.49shalehjust X and (hopefully) console
06:23.52Nyle!usb install
06:23.53dpkgit has been said that usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian)
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06:25.05Nylehttp://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=usb*&term=key
06:25.11Nyleoops wrong click
06:25.43Nyle!seen stew
06:25.43dpkgstew <i=1413@unaffiliated/stew> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 49d 4h 43m 38s ago, saying: 'bwwww: then key="volume.fstype" might not be matching'.
06:25.47Nyledamn
06:25.59NyleI wonder what happened to him
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06:27.31Nyleshaleh: I've always wanted to do that too
06:27.46Nylebut its easy enough to do
06:27.53Nyleshaleh: look here
06:27.57Nyle!extended chars
06:27.57dpkgi heard extended chars is to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or  éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñ, or the complete list of combinations is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (utf8 is default), or similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command
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06:28.38Nyleer..
06:28.55Nyle!time
06:28.55dpkgfrom memory, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2008.03.05  6:29:07, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!
06:28.56joeytwiddleWed Mar  5 06:30:02 GMT 2008
06:29.33baloo_http://www.time.gov/ is the atomic clock in denver, probably a better source than a commercial outlet.
06:30.01Nyleit doesn't matter
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06:30.07baloo_Especially given time.com is the magazine, not a time source.
06:33.47Nyledpkg time =~ s/time.com/time.gov
06:34.11Nyle!time
06:34.11dpkgsomebody said time was found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2008.03.05  6:34:22, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!
06:34.14joeytwiddleWed Mar  5 06:35:21 GMT 2008
06:34.21Nylegoddamit joeytwiddle
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06:38.27Nylebeer o' clock
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06:39.53Nyle!gtool
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06:43.25azethhello
06:43.34Nylehi
06:43.45azethi'm new to debian
06:43.48martianhello, just ask.
06:43.53Nylewelcome
06:44.27jimazeth: what do you think so far
06:44.41azethobut eclipse installing
06:44.52Nyle?
06:45.04azethfrom packages or from donwloaded
06:45.14azethfrom eclipse.org
06:45.23Nyle!eclipse
06:45.24dpkg[eclipse] the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable
06:45.38Nyle!+info eclipse
06:45.40dpkgUpdating debian files... please wait.
06:45.59Nyle!tell azeth -about backports
06:46.17dpkgeclipse: (Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.2.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 125 kB, Installed size: 320 kB
06:46.22jim!info jackd
06:46.25dpkgjackd: (JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients)), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.109.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 100 kB, Installed size: 352 kB
06:46.34Nyleazeth: if eclipse is not in backports, you will have to backport it yourself from unstable and build it on etch (if you are on etch)
06:46.35azethi have etch
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06:47.12azethbut i don't know how to backprot it
06:47.12Nyleazeth: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
06:47.20sIs there any sort of software which browses for available wireless networks and displays them, say, on my taskbar in metacity?
06:48.08Nyleazeth: process is simple.  Tell /etc/apt/sources.list about a deb-src line from unstable.  update, apt-get build-dep eclipse && apt-get -b source eclipse && sudo dpkg -i *.deb
06:48.11jims, try separating the problem into pieces that are already done and then connect
06:48.11wolsgnome network manager might
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06:48.18Nyleazeth: should take care of it
06:48.41Nyles: I use kwifimanager
06:48.47azethi will try
06:49.41Nyleazeth: build-dep tells debian to get all the packages that are requried to compile eclipse
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06:50.24Nyleazeth: -b == build, source (download source package)
06:50.40Nyleazeth: dpkg -i *.deb installs all the .deb (package files generated)
06:50.55azethok
06:51.11azethi have to has java jdk?
06:51.13sjim: Okay. It appears that I am able to see a dropdown selection from GNOME's network manager. However, I still cannot connect to my home network. It is configured properly, with the WEP key entered.
06:51.19Nyle!depends eclipse
06:51.21dpkgeclipse: depends on eclipse-jdt (= 3.2.2-5), eclipse-pde (= 3.2.2-5), eclipse-source (= 3.2.2-5), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), zenity
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06:51.42Nyleazeth: no clue
06:52.08Nyleazeth: if you feel comfortable to build eclipse from source directly then you can do that if you want to
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06:52.24jims, Nyle suggested kwifimanager
06:52.28Nyleazeth: eclipse is not in etch, and never will be.  Maybe in lenny (next stable, currently testing) or maybe not
06:53.04Nyleazeth: you should do apt-get build-dep eclipse regardless wether you build it from source or source debs
06:53.33Faregah, in the thinkpad bios, booting on usb is done by "booting on harddisk" after having configured the USB HD before the builtin one --- not by "booting on removable devices"
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06:53.43Benayop
06:53.45Farenow, why doesn't that work on the cloudbook???
06:53.48mibuserHi, I'm using qtparted.. I have 1gb free block right before my ext2 partition but when I click resize on the ext2 i can't make it bigger, only smaller..
06:54.14Nyleyop?
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06:58.32azethi have line: deb-src http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib unstable
06:58.52azethbut unstable doesn't load anything
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07:01.16azethNyle: what do you think of it?
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07:01.46Nylei think it is wrong
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07:02.03azethwhat should it be?
07:02.06Nyledeb-src http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
07:02.09azeththis line
07:02.17jimthat line only will get sources (which is what you want)
07:02.17mibuserHi, I'm using qtparted.. I have 1gb free block right before my ext2 partition but when I click resize on the ext2 i can't make it bigger, only smaller..
07:02.27Nylenote the diff
07:02.31azethok
07:02.38Nyleazeth: see 'etch' in that line
07:02.47wolsmove the block 1GB more to the beginning of the disk, then resize it
07:03.05wols!tell azeth about sources.list
07:03.12wols!tell azeth about simple sid backport
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07:03.18Nylewols: already did
07:03.19mibuserwols: i cant move any of the partitions :(
07:03.23Nylewols: you are you feeling?
07:03.37Nylehow*
07:03.38wolsmibuser: you need to boot from a liveCD. you can't do anything while the partitons are mounted
07:03.47mibuserits not mounted, i am on a live cd.
07:03.57mibuserim on knoppix 5.1
07:04.04Tapoutis there a way to see exactly what commands are taking when doing .. aptitude install postgresql-server-8.3 ... I want to re-init the 'initdb' but do it like they did but with .. --no-locale
07:04.21NyleTapout: man strace (afaik(
07:04.32enoufmibuser: you can't move the beginning of the partition
07:04.48NyleTapout: as per the 2nd part of your query, what exactly are you wanting to do?
07:05.03wolsTapout: commands of what? the debconf or postfix itself?
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07:05.13enoufmibuser: ergo; the 1GB in front of beginning of ext2 part is useless, unless you make it it's own partition
07:05.21wolsmibuser: then move the whole partition
07:05.24TapoutNyle, guys in #postgresql said if I'm just using LC_ALL=C anyways, just use --no-locale and i won't need to double up on all my indexes with 'varchar_pattern_ops"
07:05.24Nyleenouf: did you set any spam filers?
07:05.26Nylefilters?
07:05.52enoufNyle:  not really, but i'd like to see what you have conjured up
07:06.55Nyleenouf: simply ignore any line containing regex pattern *##*n*x*dal.net*|*##*join*dal*
07:07.04Nyleor w/e you prefer
07:07.19enoufNyle: nice, i suck at regex
07:07.24Nyleas do I
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07:08.43TapoutNyle, know what i mean ?
07:08.58NyleTapout: I don't.
07:09.04azethE: Build-Depends dependency for eclipse cannot be satisfied because the package junit4 cannot be found
07:09.06Nyleperhaps someone else does
07:09.20Nyleazeth: ahh, looks like its tedious
07:09.20azeththat's error
07:09.33Nyleazeth: sounds like you need to bp the depends
07:09.34sWell, for whatever reason my wireless card won't connect. I'm using ndiswrapper to make it work, and for whatever reason it simply will not come up.
07:09.52mankuthimmaTapout, do take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql-8.1.postinst
07:09.57Nyleazeth: so you could try to backport junit4 and install it, and thn try to build eclipse again
07:10.19Nyle!info junit4
07:10.21dpkgjunit4: (JUnit regression test framework for Java), section devel, is optional. Version: 4.3.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 232 kB, Installed size: 1044 kB
07:10.28Nyle!info junit4 etch
07:10.43azethnyle: on etch it is 3.4 version
07:11.02Nyleunlucky
07:11.12Nyleetch doesn't have junit4 either
07:11.14azethsorry 3.8
07:11.25enoufi doubt that
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07:11.36Nyle!pdo
07:11.36dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
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07:12.30Nyleenouf: its not in etch.
07:12.33enoufor is the 4 there not an epoch? meh, now i see no ':' , when before i did ;-p
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07:12.52azethso what should i do?
07:12.57enoufNyle: i can see that ;-)
07:13.04Nylehuh?
07:13.35Nyleenouf: I have no idea what you are talking about
07:14.06azethshould i go to sid?
07:14.16Nyleno
07:14.21Nyle!depends junit4
07:14.24dpkgjunit4: depends on java-gcj-compat | java1-runtime | java2-runtime
07:14.29enouf!epoch
07:14.29dpkgmethinks epoch is the end of an era.  For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch.  The unix epoch on 32 bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64 bit architectures.  It's also a version number orderer used by the debian packaging software.  For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself.
07:14.34Nyleyou could try to build it
07:14.48Nyleenouf: I am aware of what an Epoch is..
07:15.00Nylebut what colon :?
07:15.10enouf<PROTECTED>
07:15.14enouf<PROTECTED>
07:15.17Nyle?
07:15.24Nyleis a 'h'?
07:15.29Nylewhats a 'h'?
07:15.30azethnyle: but how can build it?
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07:15.33enouf2 colon 0
07:15.35Nyleazeth: same way
07:15.50enoufsap: one sec
07:15.53Nyleenouf: crackhead
07:15.54Nyle;)
07:15.54jimwy zit uh h?
07:16.01sapsure enouf
07:16.19Nyleazeth: you will backport junit4 same way
07:16.29Nyleazeth: apt-get build-dep junit4
07:16.33Nyleazeth: go from there
07:16.49Nyle!tell Nyle -about enter
07:17.49enoufhrm, sap, anything intersting in /etc/modprobe.d/libsane ?
07:18.02Nylelibinsane
07:18.07Nylehahahaha
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07:18.18Nyle!sane
07:18.18dpkghmm... sane is Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning... easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ and #sane at irc.freenode.net
07:18.23Nyle!insane
07:18.23dpkgin-sane adj. doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
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07:18.42Nylebah, book def.
07:18.59saphuh wat was that all of sudden so many quit
07:19.06Nylenetsplit?
07:19.16enoufsap: is your user part of the scanner group?
07:19.19Nyle!netsplit
07:19.20dpkgit has been said that netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated).
07:19.32sWould anyone be interested in helping me get my wireless networking for my new laptop. Wired works, wireless doesn't. I've installed ndiswrapper + the appropriate drivers, and the device is now there.
07:19.34sapenouf, hmm.. actually i'm on my laptop now but the it has same ubuntu fiesty loaded so i can check in it
07:19.46Nylesap: chipset?
07:19.47sI can configure it using iwconfig and Network Manager accordingly, however no connection is actually made.
07:19.50azeth!depends java-gcj-compat-dev
07:19.50sapenouf, do i have to add user part of scanner group?
07:19.53dpkgjava-gcj-compat-dev: depends on ecj-gcj (>= 3.3.0+0728), gappletviewer-4.3, gcj-4.3, gjdoc (>= 0.7.8), java-gcj-compat (= 1.0.77-4), python, python-central (>= 0.5.8)
07:20.09sapNyle, its intel chipset .. hmm.. u want the exact name?
07:20.09Nylesap: is this a server machine ?
07:20.14Nylesap not you
07:20.15sapNyle, nope
07:20.25Nyleazeth: your etch machine is a desktop or server?
07:20.26enoufsap: USB scanner?
07:20.35azethnyle: desktop
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07:20.40Nyleazeth: if you are not so particular about shit, you can easily go to lenny
07:20.42enoufsap: yes, i would - add user to scanner group
07:20.43sapenouf, yep its an HP PSC 1510
07:20.49Nyle!etch->lenny
07:20.49dpkgFirst, see <apt-listbugs>.  Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.  NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
07:20.52azethwith server on testing
07:20.55sapenouf, how do i add user?
07:20.56Nyleazeth: ^^
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07:21.06Nyleyou have a desktop with etch and a server with lenny
07:21.08Nyledude
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07:21.21Nylecan i have some of what you are smoking?
07:21.22sapenouf, and i can't find libsane in /etc/modprobe.d
07:21.37enoufsap: adduser / usermod / gpasswd ..
07:21.48sapHP PSC , printer scanner copier all in one
07:21.59Nyleoh one of them pieces of shit
07:21.59enoufsap: do this $ grep -ril scan /etc/udev
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07:22.13Nylemight as well have saved some money man
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07:22.27wolssap: now why would a library in modprobe.b?
07:22.27enoufalso /etc/sane.d/hp.conf
07:22.30Nyleshoulda bought a 120$ dell AIO
07:22.34enoufand all in /sane.d/
07:22.35Nyleor cheaper
07:22.46sapenouf, it gave me following: /etc/udev/rules.d/45-libsane.rules
07:22.46sap/etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules
07:22.46sap/etc/udev/rules.d/45-hplip.rules
07:23.11sapwols, ? didnt get that?
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07:23.29wolsenouf: isn't there a usergroup for sane?
07:23.33enoufwols: i happen to have two blacklist entries for some odd reason in /etc/modprobe.d/libsane
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07:24.06wolsenouf: he has a permissions problem. the scanner works, even if only for root
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07:24.22enoufwols: let me check, i guess i'm jumping the gun here, i sa GROUP=scanner a lot in the /udev/ files
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07:24.38DecepticonE: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
07:24.44DecepticonE: Unable to lock the list directory
07:24.46enouflike this;
07:24.47enouf# Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 4100C
07:24.47enoufSYSFS{idVendor}=="03f0", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0101", MODE="664", GROUP="scanner"
07:24.51Decepticonwhen i try to do "sudo apt-get update"
07:25.07Decepticonwhy am i being rejected
07:25.09enoufahhh  ~saned
07:25.35azethnyle: should i go to sid?
07:25.41azethor lenny?
07:25.42wolsDecepticon: cause apt is already open
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07:25.58saphmm k if i go to /etc/udev/rules.d/45-hplip.rules it has the following text SUBSYSTEM!="usb_device", GOTO="hplip_rules_end"
07:25.58sapSYSFS{idVendor}=="03f0", SYSFS{bDeviceClass}=="07", GROUP="scanner"
07:25.58sapSYSFS{idVendor}=="03f0", PROGRAM="check_mfp_printer", GROUP="scanner"
07:25.58sapLABEL="hplip_rules_end"
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07:26.18sapoops sry
07:26.20jimDecepticon: are you using apt or dpkg right now?
07:26.27sapdidnt realize that it'd kick me
07:26.32jimsap: hmm... k...
07:26.35sapsorta new to irc
07:26.47Decepticonjim not sure... the only thing that could be using it is the auto update manager panel applet
07:26.57sappaste bot?
07:27.00sap!paste
07:27.00dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
07:27.48jimwe have lots of people from 10 years ago... they've already used up two of their three lines!!
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07:28.56sapk lemme go to the actual computer and log on from there.. might be easier to troubleshoot
07:29.27azeth!depends etch->sid
07:29.31jimone thing that'll make easier is putting info from it onto a pastebin
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07:29.51enoufsap: do $ egrep 'sane|scanner' /etc/group   <-- get  two hits? ine for each? i do - now do; $ egrep 'sane|scanner' /etc/passwd and only "saned:x:109:109::/home/saned:/bin/false" returns
07:29.57azeth!depends etch->lenny
07:30.05Nyleazeth: no
07:30.16Nyleazeth: upgrade to lenny on your desktop
07:30.37azethi have etch on desktop
07:30.40sapenouf : just a minute, i'll log on from my desktop and try that on it (even tho both have the same version)
07:30.57azethbut how i can do that?
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07:31.27enoufblacklist scanner blacklist hpusbscsi  <-- i have that for some reason in the aformentioned /modprobe.d/ file
07:31.52enoufmaybe it's from me doing a debconf of some software or at install time of sarge :-p
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07:34.33enoufsap: i really don't know for sure, but if it wroks as root, there's a perm issue
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07:35.42enoufDecepticon: su to root and do it, your sudo is borked it seems
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07:35.59wolsenouf: what is the default sane device?
07:36.08enoufwols: no idea ;-0
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07:36.17wolswhat is YOUR sane device?
07:36.28enoufi don't use that crap
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07:41.37dpkgfrom memory, netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated).
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07:42.20dirksonHeyo all. What's a good, minimalist/lightweight bittorrent client in the repositories?
07:42.22jimhow do you read the output of /proc/asound/devices
07:42.27enoufbbiab
07:42.30DecepticonMar 4 03:17:07 decepticon sshd[8612]: Address 64.18.134.138 maps to clubplayern
07:42.30Decepticonews.com, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!
07:42.41Decepticoni saw this in my /var/log/auth.log
07:42.44Decepticonwhat does it mean?
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07:46.15wolsjim: cat
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07:46.34mo1991what folder is the normal login runlevel?  rc3.d?  which is it?
07:46.44jimwols: ok, did that... what do those numbers on the left, and the ones in the brackets mean?
07:46.51sapenouf, umm.. I'm sorry somehow the irc is not working from my desktop :( . I guess i'll have to write down the commands and shunt back and forth from my desktop; so could you pls repeat those last terminal commands?
07:46.55wolsno clue
07:46.56wolsmo1991: 2
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07:47.06man_in_ltophttp://rafb.net/p/asGqOm78.html << acpid won't install for me on sid
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07:47.34man_in_ltopi have no clue what the problem/error is
07:47.46sapenouf, i lost the scroll over here. it doesnt go back much /
07:48.56man_in_ltopok, just discovered
07:49.20man_in_ltopacpid=1.0.6-5.1 does not install in sid, acpid=1.0.6-5 does
07:49.28man_in_ltopit MIGHT have something to do with my kernel, not sure
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07:49.50jimthe 5.1 would have been an nmu
07:50.04oskieanyone know how I can get the names of all installed packages from a /var/lib/dpkg/status file?
07:50.38jimperhaps the maintainer accepted the change and released -6
07:51.05mbroekeroskie, dpkg -l ?
07:51.32enoufsap: hold on
07:52.38oskiembroeker: yes but what if the status file is not in that ditr
07:52.40oskiedirectory
07:53.25mbroekeroskie, you lost the status and the status.old file?
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07:54.13sapenouf, k ty
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07:54.44Caeies[Taff]hi all
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07:55.40sIs tar cvfjp /home/restore.tar.bz2 /  sufficient for a system backup?
07:55.56sOr rather, should I say, a "restore" archive, if I have everything working as I'd like?
07:56.49aredhels, that looks recursive.
07:56.56Caeies[Taff]I got a litle problem with the latest libc6 in sid, was wondering if I'm the only one : some customs exe are no more working, telling me that : /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found
07:57.14saredhel: tar ignores /home/restore.tar.bz2 since it's in use, afaik
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07:57.29oskiembroeker: system crash, I was able to recover the status file and now I want to know what was installed
07:58.00ineiross: You need to exclude /proc and other special filesystems.
07:58.02enoufsap: as root, gpasswd -a username saned ; gpasswd -a username scanner - then logout that user, and login, check using 'groups' command , or even 'id -a' command
07:58.36sapenouf, so i do this with admin logon , right?
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07:59.11mbroekeroskie, well i can tar the entire directory from my lenny install: you override the status file and you can look, if it works or not. OK?
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07:59.21enoufsap: i don't know what admin logon is
07:59.27Caeies[Taff]but looking into libc6 I got : (via objdump -x) I got all the GLIBC_2.3 syms
08:00.04sapenouf, k i have 2 accounts : one with admin priviliges and the other as user (restrictive) . right I've open the admin one on my desktop
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08:00.40mbroekeroskie, or do you want a file list of what you have to reinstall ?
08:00.55enoufsap: i don't care about accounts, i'm talking about "user"
08:01.34Caeies[Taff]btw, I'm on amd64 sid
08:01.46mbroekeroskie, cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep Package | awk '{ print $2 }'
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08:02.34oskiembroeker: yes, the latter, but that will print those not installed as well (or removed but not purged for instance)... for now I made a script but I thought there was a program to grep the status file more easily
08:02.37sapenouf,  hmm.. ok , so if i want to add "sap" as a user then I do the following in terminal:  sudo <sap's password>  -a sap ; <sap's password> sap scanner  ?
08:02.53enoufsap: whichever user you want access, add them to those groups - and please follow up with all "sane" docs installed (/usr/share/doc/sane-utils/ , /usr/share/saned/* ), man sane, etc
08:03.13enoufwhichever users you want to have access, i mean
08:03.20sapi see
08:03.33enoufsap: no, gpasswd -a sap scanner
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08:03.44enoufas root, or use sudo
08:03.44sapoh, okay
08:03.52ravilahi is there anyway to retrieve pci bus clock?
08:03.52enoufsap: man gpasswd
08:04.11enoufravila: it's 33MHz :-)
08:04.20enoufravila: lspci -vvv
08:04.24ravilaenouf: or 66MHz ?
08:04.31enoufravila: yeah, well
08:04.36man_in_ltoppci is 33MHz, i beleive
08:04.37enoufravila: that's PCI-X
08:04.44enoufor AGP
08:04.45sapenouf, k i'm going to my desktop to try that. bb in a while
08:04.47man_in_ltopagp and pci-x are 66MHz
08:04.51man_in_ltoppci-e is broken ;)
08:05.02ravilaenouf: hmm.. then why they use different latencys on different pci buses?
08:05.05enoufwhich is directly relate to PCI and PCI-X .. PCIe is something entirely different
08:05.05man_in_ltopdoes pci-e even have a standard bus speed?
08:05.16ravilaI'm havving trouble with my dvb-c card
08:05.30ravilafor some reason my new c2d system is droppping out data
08:05.42ravilamy olx amd 1800+ xp system did just fine
08:05.46enoufman_in_ltop: it's an interface, but yes, there's standard speeds, but it's 8/10b encoded so some math is involved :-P
08:06.13enoufravila: no idea, dvb
08:06.14man_in_ltopravila, maybe the c2d stinks and you should have stuck with amd? :)
08:06.27man_in_ltopravila, or maybe your cable is broken
08:06.34ravilaman_in_ltop: cable is working
08:06.45man_in_ltophow sure are you?
08:06.52ravilaI tested the dvb-c card with my old xp with same cabels
08:07.05enoufman_in_ltop: http://www.informit.com/articles/printerfriendly.aspx?p=352311
08:07.30wolsravila: what is your problem?
08:07.44enoufman_in_ltop: iirc, the bus frequency hovers ~ 100MHz for PCIe
08:08.10ravilawols: incomplete PES packages
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08:08.24enoufman_in_ltop: newer mobos with extra BIOS params for o/cing allow adjustments of that
08:08.27ravila05:04.0 Multimedia controller: Twinhan Technology Co. Ltd Mantis DTV PCI Bridge Controller [Ver 1.0] (rev 01)
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08:08.49ravilaso does that mean it runs at 66MHz?
08:09.21wolsPES being what?
08:09.23enoufit depends on your System Bus capabilities
08:09.53ravilaMar  4 11:04:42 bd vdr: [29323] PES packet shortened to 430 bytes (expected: 3374 bytes)
08:09.57ravilaMar  4 11:04:42 bd vdr: [29323] 4 cRepacker messages suppressed
08:09.59ravilaMar  4 11:04:42 bd vdr: [29323] cAudioRepacker(0xC0): skipped 416 bytes to sync on next audio frame
08:09.59enoufravila: actually likely not
08:10.08enoufravila: stop flooding please
08:10.10man_in_ltopi have a kworld-brand pci dvb-t card with cx88 chipset. i like it a lot\
08:10.12enouf!pastebin
08:10.12dpkgPlease don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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08:10.15ravilaenouf: sorry
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08:10.32wolsand why can't it be a driver issue?
08:10.34oskiehow do you forcefully stop a linux server without using init?
08:10.37enoufravila: i have a pentium 2 thaty's showing 66MHz for all my PCI devcies
08:10.40man_in_ltopi still need a good antenna setup for it
08:10.47ravilawols: well the same driver works fine with the 1800+ xp ?
08:10.53ravilaenouf: ok
08:10.56wolsoskie: man shutdown
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08:11.09ravilaenouf: what is the pci latenzy on your old p 2 ?
08:11.15man_in_ltopwols, doesn't shutdown use init?
08:11.22wolsravila: race condistions for example?
08:11.39wolsman_in_ltop: probably
08:11.44wolsoskie: why can't you use init?
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08:11.50enoufravila: i think you're barking up the wrong tree with the 33/66 thing - latency? not sure
08:12.01man_in_ltopdoes c2d have 3dnow?
08:12.15ravilaenouf: I tought it might be a timing issue
08:12.26wolsit has SSE/SSE2 which is the same
08:12.27ravilathat the dvb-c card doesn't have anough time to recieve the full packages
08:12.35enoufravila: you can use tools listed in /msg dpkg what's my hardware   to delve deeper
08:12.37man_in_ltopravila, i'd be surprised if pci bus latency is the problem
08:12.48man_in_ltopwols, it's not the same, just does the same sorta thing
08:13.00man_in_ltopwols, amd chips support sse and 3dnow 8)
08:13.01oskiewols: because the filesystem is borked... well at least i was able to turn of networking with ifconfig :)
08:13.02enoufravila: there's many timing things in the kernel itself
08:13.07wolsso what command is in 3D now and not in SSE/SSE2?
08:13.20ravilaah ok
08:13.26wolsoskie: pull the plug
08:13.27enoufrighto wols
08:13.30ravilaneed to think about this more and try to find the problem..
08:13.39man_in_ltopwols, i dunno, just that amd has both, and intel doesn't
08:13.42ravilaback to work for awhile..
08:13.50enoufman_in_ltop: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo
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08:14.00enoufman_in_ltop: you have all SSEs
08:14.02man_in_ltopenouf, that's what i'm talking about
08:14.14enoufman_in_ltop: pni == sse3
08:14.36man_in_ltopthis thing only has an intel core duo in it
08:14.45man_in_ltopmy desktop has an ath64 socket 939
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08:15.58man_in_ltopi'll be buying a new desktop in june, or at least that's my current plan
08:16.44man_in_ltopprobably get a phenom
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08:19.05sap1enouf: k i was able to log on from my desktop and I tried those commands . After that I tried opening x-sane but it closes a second after "scanning for devices" . ??
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08:19.54sap1enouf: the thing is that I am able to successfully run x-sane as a root  like : sudo x-sane
08:19.55enoufsap1: welp, time for some reading about sane/xsane configuration
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08:20.20enoufdi you verify your user is in the groups
08:20.22enouf?
08:20.31Tapoutif i do.. aptitude remove postgresql-server-dev-8.3 .. how do I force a removal of the /var/lib/postgresql/main ?
08:20.52man_in_ltopi wonder if it's worth me getting a new dvd burner for my new box
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08:21.08man_in_ltopi'm reasonably happy with the one i have now, benq dw40 or something like that
08:21.16man_in_ltopdw1640 iirc
08:21.26enoufbenq
08:21.29sap1enouf: ya from the user and group settings (under administration) the used is in the main group
08:21.58man_in_ltopenouf, yeah, i have a benq laptop and benq keyboard too
08:22.09man_in_ltopenouf, and my name is ben (but i don't have a q in my name)
08:22.13enoufsap1: i dunno, sounds to me like you're dealing with some KDE or GNOME stuff
08:22.14sap1enouf: but i feel the problem lies in running it as a root and not just as a normal user
08:22.26enoufman_in_ltop: haha
08:22.50enoufofcourse, root can do anything
08:22.54sap1enouf: hmm.. ok, i'll try to go thru some documentation online and see if there is anything there
08:23.02enoufright
08:23.05sap1enouf: thanks for your efforts
08:23.10enoufnp
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08:24.26man_in_ltopenouf, benq dvd burner was highly recommended by a lot of people when i got it
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08:24.52man_in_ltopenouf, benq laptop has an nvidia gpu and 1GB ram, which i couldn't find in other brands for a decent price
08:25.20man_in_ltopenouf, and i only have the benq keyboard because mitsubishi sold their keyboard factory to benq :P
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08:26.15enoufman_in_ltop: right, those model burners are nice
08:26.40man_in_ltopit is a benq dw1640
08:26.40enoufyeah, they all sell out to all others :-P
08:27.22man_in_ltopi can't get benq burners from my favourite store any more, so i have a choice between lg, sony <shudder>, aopen, pioneer or asus
08:27.25enoufi think the nice NEC burners (i got a ND-3550A) sold out some time ago
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08:27.48man_in_ltopooh i got an nec burner, one of the first dvd burners on the marked :)
08:27.49enoufugh, i haven't kept up on recent event with optical drives
08:27.51man_in_ltop*market
08:28.06enoufman_in_ltop: check out club.cdfreaks.com they have tons of reviews and info
08:28.08man_in_ltopenouf, yeah, they have 20x burners now
08:28.32man_in_ltopchances are they'll push it up to 24x by the time i'm going to buy the box :)
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08:28.48enoufwell, now you got bluray sony crap
08:29.03man_in_ltopyeah, don't want to touch that
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08:29.07laurlyis there a way to limit the amount of network connection a script is allowed to take up?
08:29.20enoufman_in_ltop: 500GB HDD ftw \o/
08:29.21laurlywell internet connection.
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08:29.40man_in_ltopmost expensive dvd burner i can get is au$39. if i want a blu-ray burner, looking at au$445 minimum
08:30.03man_in_ltopblu-ray reader/dvd burner combo is not much better, au$235
08:30.20Tapoutno matter what I do, i can't get postgresql on debian to initdb with --locale=C
08:30.22enoufreader only? wtf?
08:30.24man_in_ltopenouf, looking at 2 500GB hdds
08:30.27enoufwhat good is that? lol
08:30.32dimirMorning!
08:30.33enoufman_in_ltop: attaboy
08:30.42man_in_ltopenouf, also 8GB ram :D
08:30.48enoufheh
08:31.06man_in_ltopall done with consumer components, no server-grade stuff
08:31.21enouflaurly: you'll likely want some iptables magic
08:31.31man_in_ltopi can get 2x2GB kits of ddr2-800 for au$100 :)
08:31.36man_in_ltopfood time, bbl
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08:31.46obnauticus_is anyone here good with bluetooth stuff in debian?
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08:32.01obnauticus_because for some reason my box keep trying to request a pair with my cell phone and is NOT accepting the set pin
08:32.04enoufyeah, ddr2 is dirt cheap compared the lesser , slower ddr and plain sdram
08:32.09enoufsucks :-p
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08:32.33man_in_ltopobnauticus_, i tried that once and gave up :)
08:32.37obnauticus_god
08:32.38obnauticus_i hate this.
08:32.44obnauticus_(~)-(root@asterisk)--> hcitool cc 00:17:E3:18:67:A2
08:32.44obnauticus_Can't create connection: Input/output error
08:32.44obnauticus_(~)-(root@asterisk)-->
08:32.45obnauticus_fail!
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08:32.45man_in_ltopbluetooth in general sucks
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08:32.55appelzahow can I convert: ASCII text, with CRLF, CR line terminators to ASCII text ?
08:33.09man_in_ltopobnauticus_, note, i had exactly the same connection issues on windows. even once i'd paired it, it wouldn't work
08:33.21man_in_ltopbluetooth stinks like donkey dung
08:33.24enoufappelza: many ways, see the tofrodos pkg
08:33.27man_in_ltopanyways, must feed
08:33.30obnauticus_well with asterisk it's actually pretty cool man_in_ltop
08:33.31obnauticus_like
08:33.37obnauticus_you can create an FXO channel for your cell phone
08:33.42obnauticus_which in my opinion is pretty damn cool
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08:34.45enoufappelza: man tr, or you can even open in say nano and save to msdos (\n\r) or *nix format(\n), man ascii
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08:35.13appelzaany pothank
08:35.16appelzathanks
08:35.18appelzaenouf:
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08:37.43hkaishello
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08:38.37hkaisis there any command, which I could use to get a deb-package list/configuration of a running system. This list I would like to use to setup/install new systems
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08:39.09enouf!clone
08:39.09dpkgour $apt=Blootbot->new($apt)
08:39.15enouf!debian clone
08:39.16dpkgOne method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
08:39.30enoufhkais: ^^^^
08:39.52hkaisenouf: thx!
08:40.05enoufnp
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08:41.43enoufhkais: as far as it having the same configuration and settings, that's based on mostly files in /etc/ and /home/
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08:43.28vltHello. How can I use the pppoeconf tool when not connected to a DSL line? I want to prepare a Debian machine for being connected later.
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08:44.20Daejeoi want to do udp port scanning using nmap. what command should i issue?
08:45.01mankuthimmaDaejeo, man nmap
08:45.13DaejeoNo manual entry for namp
08:45.43Daejeoi have installed nmap-4.11-1.1
08:45.58mankuthimmafrom source ?
08:46.05mankuthimmaor a .deb ?
08:46.12Daejeoyum install nmap
08:46.16Daejeothats it
08:46.20Daejeobinary
08:46.38Daejeoany otherway around?
08:47.03mankuthimmaanacoluthon:~$ dpkg -L nmap|grep nmap.1
08:47.03mankuthimma/usr/share/man/man1/nmap.1.gz
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08:47.31Daejeocentos  sorry
08:47.32wolsDaejeo: namp is not nmap
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08:47.49Daejeotypo
08:47.50wolsDaejeo: which machine do you want to scan? outside your own network?
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08:48.09Daejeoyes remote
08:48.09mankuthimmaDaejeo, http://nmap.org/docs.html is your friend
08:48.16mankuthimmaCentOS or otherwise
08:49.11reZodoes anyone know how to disable different xterm signals, such as ctrl + q signal catching?
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08:50.17TreeCould someone tell me how i would make sources.list (/etc/apt/sources.list) writable?
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08:50.37amphiTree: it is writable, by root
08:50.39mankuthimmareZo, try "trap"
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08:50.54reZothanks mankuthimma, googling trap now
08:51.10Treeamphi: So how would i do it?
08:51.19amphireZo: help trap in bash gives some info; I'm not sure that's what you need though
08:51.30amphiTree: eh?
08:51.33reZo:)
08:51.36Tree<amphi> Tree: it is writable, by root
08:51.43TreeHow would i edit it?
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08:52.10enouf!be root
08:52.15joeytwiddle>< no record
08:52.37amphiTree: edit it as root
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08:52.53XoXwhy does X need to be run setuid root?
08:53.33enoufreZo: $ man -k trap
08:53.38reZo:)
08:54.39mankuthimmaXoX, AFAIK X needs to access hardware resources directly
08:54.44Treethanks amphi
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08:55.36Loadyhi guys. where can i find development info on apt-get and dpkg?
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08:55.55Loadyim thinking of api docs, guidelines etc.
08:55.55sordithLoady: "apt-get source" it
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08:56.22enouf$ dlocate xtrap | awk '{ print$1 }'| sort -u | xargs echo
08:56.22sordiththere is also an APT related howto
08:56.22enouflibxtrap6: libxtrap-dev: x11proto-trap-dev: xbase-clients: xserver-xorg-core:
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08:58.32XoXmankuthimma: via the kernel?
08:58.56mankuthimmaXoX, guess so
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09:02.56enoufXoX: IINM, X talks through sockets and needs access to those ports < 1024 which requires root, Xlib is the way Xserver communicates, again, iinm
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09:04.58mbroekerXoX, to access all IO-Ports from 0-65534 root access(setuid) is required...
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09:05.28rush1How can I make some package not to be upgraded during apt-get upgrade ?
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09:05.35liablei thought it was only the first thousand or so
09:05.49liable!hold
09:05.50dpkghold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
09:05.56XoXso one can code X to use ports from 1024 and up
09:06.09XoXmust be for something else
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09:07.02mbroekerXoX, X has two components: the network layer and the graphics layer. Both need root access.
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09:07.32wolsenouf: what port <1024 does X use?
09:07.46wolsmbroeker: I/O ports != tcpip ports
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09:08.01mbroekerwols, as you know :)
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09:08.31wolsmbroeker: what port does root use that needs root access?
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09:10.19wolsXoX: X needs to access some memory (mainly videocard memory) and some I/O ports (VGA hardware registers again). both can only be done as root
09:10.35enoufwols: not sure
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09:11.20XoXmaybe he means unix sockets
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09:11.35enoufit doesn't do it (access hardware) directly though
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09:11.42crumblenautwhat part of the crypt string in /etc/shadow is the salt?
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09:11.51enoufbut yeah, the XServer needs hardware comm (albeit not direct such like Directfb), for things like mouse, video, keys, etc
09:11.57wolsunix sockets are only limited by filesystem permissions
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09:12.16rrki have a werid problem with X kde and no keyboard after login (kdm) debian sid any ideas?
09:12.21wolsenouf: of course it does
09:12.25enoufunix sockets < 1024 require root
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09:13.14wolswhat is a unix socket < 1024?
09:13.21enouf!socket
09:13.21dpkgi guess socket is Normally, it's where your limbs are attached to, as in "I'm going to rip your arm out of the socket." In network speak, a socket is composed of an IP address and a port number. For example, a socket could be "206.119.148.38 port 80." See also TCP/IP and ports.
09:13.23wolsenouf: unix sockets have FILENAMES
09:13.24ZvpunI want to set "ve=\E[?25h\E[?17;0;64c" for my current terminfo, how can I do that?
09:14.06tralalaenouf, don't confuse unix socket with udp ones
09:14.25enoufright, bad factoid :-P
09:15.35wolsenouf: the factoid is correct
09:15.47wolslocal sockets don't do networking very well :)
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09:16.30enoufright, my bad choice of factoids ;-)
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09:16.47wolshowever the factoid IS incomplete
09:17.12enoufi suck at socketing :-p
09:17.54enoufi have a lot of reading to catch up on in that entire area http://www.linux.com/base/ldp/howto/Secure-Programs-HOWTO/sockets.htmlt
09:18.09tralala!socket faq
09:18.09dpkgsocket faq is probably at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/socket/index.html
09:18.32enoufStandard Unix convention is that binding to TCP and UDP local port numbers less than 1024 requires root privilege, while any process can bind to an unbound port number of 1024 or greater. Linux follows this convention, more specifically, Linux requires a process to have the capability CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE to bind to a port number less than 1024; this capability is normally only held by processes with an EUID of 0.
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09:21.35enoufcrumblenaut: er, not sure how to answer you, but read up on PAM
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09:22.42enoufZvpun: setterm? .. or export PS1= ? . hrm echo $PS1
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09:24.18mbroekerthe manpage of iopl explains why the Xserver needs root privileges: This call is necessary to allow 8514-compatible X servers to run under Linux. Since these X servers require access to all 65536 I/O ports, the ioperm() call is not sufficient.
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09:24.37mbroekernearly...
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09:24.59XoXwols: it asks for these  hardware I/O registers from the kernel?
09:25.45enoufZvpun: maybe even tput ?
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09:26.33Zvpunenouf: I dont understand enough to use your help.
09:26.54enoufZvpun: why do you want to do waht you ask then?
09:26.57rrkis there anyway a keyboard can be disabled under KDE?
09:27.14man_in_ltoprrk, you could unplug it
09:27.19Zvpunenouf: I found it in a .screenrc to change the cursor to red. I just want to play around
09:27.38enoufZvpun: ok, then man setterm and man tput
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09:27.57enoufor put it in your .screenrc
09:28.06mbroekerXoX, a multi-user operating system kernel doesnt normally allow direct io-manipulations as in unprotected enviroments like DOS. A user space application ( and X is an Application, an addon ), the user space application requests io resources and the kernel grants access or not. But the kernel organizes the access, delivers the same resources to different customers...
09:28.09rrkbesides that the keyboard will not work under KDE -- it does work for the login and it will work in a VT
09:28.41tarzeauis "model name      : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+"     SMP or not?
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09:28.48wolsXoX: afaik yes
09:28.53reZodoes anyone know the xterm signal code for ctrl + s? i need to trap it
09:29.07wolsXoX: but to be allowed to access those registers in the first place you must be root under linux
09:29.10enoufxev ?
09:29.19tarzeaureZo: SIGSTOP ?
09:29.26tarzeauand -q is SIGCONT
09:29.27reZoah, okay, thanks
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09:29.33reZo:D
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09:30.37Zvpunenouf: "tput ve '\E[?25h\E[?17;0;64c'" says "tput: unknown terminfo capability 've'" yet it is described in "man 5 terminfo"
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09:31.37reZotarzeau: trap /dev/null (18|19) didn't work, those being SIGSTOP / SIGCONT. :S
09:32.30reZotarzeau: never mind, i'll have a play around with it
09:32.32XoXis it normal that sometimes shifting between cpu clock frequency with cpufreq-set , could make the system clock change the time
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09:32.52XoXespecially if it's a MP kernel
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09:33.24dutchfishhi, i want to know if there is any debian software to combine 2 acrobat pdf files A5 to 1 A4 file?
09:33.43reZookay, imparently SIGSTOP can't be caught, ingored or stopped, oh well
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09:35.09DGnometarzeau: if you didnt get an aswer for your question, semprons are not smp afaik
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09:35.40enoufreZo: you finally found man 7 signal ;-)
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09:35.54enoufZvpun: i don't know
09:36.24Zvpunenouf: thank you nethertheless
09:36.53reZoenouf: nope, google :P
09:37.49enoufheh
09:38.24enouftarzeau: ?
09:38.43enouftarzeau: you want to know if it's 64bit? or dualcore?
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09:40.01enoufafaik, there's no Sempron DualCores, but i might be mistaken, see fab51.com, click english
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09:42.18sChaaahola !
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09:44.18tarzeauenouf: if it's dualcore/smp
09:44.25tarzeauDGnome: thanks
09:45.07wolstarzeau: no dualcore
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09:46.30jim_phi! today after apt-get update & upgrade, i noticed that some packages where kept back for some reason. Shall i be worried? I am using debian testing
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09:46.50wols!kept back
09:46.50dpkg[kept back] when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
09:47.19jim_p:| thanks wols
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09:48.21jim_pso now i just wait for their dependencies to become available, right?
09:49.28ustunozgurjim_p: you might try dist-upgrade too
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09:50.07jim_pustunozgur: i dont want to break anything, i am afraid!
09:50.14wolsjim_p: yes and no
09:50.19wolsjim_p: then don't run testing
09:51.21jim_pwols: "they don't run testing" ??? which means...i will never get to install them?
09:51.36ustunozgurthen. not they
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09:51.58jim_poooops sorry
09:52.18jim_pwhat happens if i wait? do i lose something major?
09:52.28jaggzanyone familiar with rsync?   I've always had this problem... rsync seems to want to transfer unchanged files:   rsync -avn local_dir/ dest_local_dir/
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09:56.08ustunozgurjim_p: you lose what has been kept back :) but you shouldn't be that afraid, imho
09:56.22ustunozgurtesting is fairly stable
09:57.37amphitesting works well here
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09:58.10jim_pto make myself a bit more clear... Once, mplayer was in that "waiting list" and i couldnt update it. As the days passed, the mplayer package popped out of there and got installed perfectly on my system. So, no need to rush, right?
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09:58.56wolsjim_p: then don't run testing
09:59.33jim_pand I chose testing because i wanted to have the latest packages and be stable as much as possible
10:00.02jim_pwols: and run ... stable? its packages are ancient!!!
10:00.46wolsstable, latest packages: choose one
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10:01.05jim_platest packages for sure!
10:01.28jim_pi am not using some sort of server so as to stick to stable!
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10:03.33ustunozgurjim_p: but sometimes you might indeed need to run dist-upgrade too I guess, instead of just waiting.
10:04.00ustunozgurand that is not likely to break anything in my experience.
10:04.41ustunozgurit's even rare that unstable is broken for me, let alone testing.
10:04.46jim_pso this means i can run dist-upgrade like the normal upgrade?
10:04.54jim_pi will five it a shot then
10:05.00jim_p*give it a shot
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10:10.55mikelodoes anyone know if acer laptop HD's are standard laptop HD's?
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10:11.34wolsmikelo: debian related? what are "nonstandard hdds"?
10:12.24loma1hi to all..i am trying to install windows as a guest OS using xen but i am getting error as Boot from harddisk 0 failed FATAL: could not read hard disk
10:12.47alex12loma1, #xen ?
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10:13.15mikelowols: in way it is debian related cause I'm installing debian in this PC... :) non standard HD's are HD's that only work with one PC (e.g. thinkpad)
10:14.01alex12mikelo, as long as the IDE bus isnt random it should be fine
10:14.14wolsmikelo: BS. that doesn't exist
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10:14.38wolsthe thinkpad hdds are the same like in any other lappy. mainly from hitachi probably
10:14.39mikeloalex12: true but some don't fit on the slot
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10:15.02alex12mikelo, what?
10:15.10alex12the type of HDD doesnt MATTER AT ALL
10:15.19alex12its about the bus that interfaces with it
10:15.34alex12if its a non standard chipset then youll need drivers for it
10:15.36alex12but you should be fine
10:16.24mikeloi guess I'll simply take it out and bring to the store with me
10:16.25wolsalex12: what are non standard chipsets?
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10:20.43mikelothey're all ide's anyway... some HD's differ in the dimensions of the box
10:21.05ustunozgurmikelo: is your problem that debian installer can't detect your hd?
10:21.13wolsmikelo: nowadays they are all SATA
10:22.00mikeloustunozgur: that's one of the problems... which i solved by forcing the ide recognition at "boot: install ..."
10:22.13mikelowols: yeah
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10:22.56ustunozgurand the other problem is?
10:23.13mikeloi started a badblock recognition procedure last night
10:23.37mikelowhich is probably taking place... and will go on to formatting excluding those blocks
10:24.16mikeloit installed fine but the I got all these IO erros
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10:25.01SlayerXPmikelo: given the price of hard disks these days, i would simply throw the disk away and buy a new one
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10:25.40wolsmikelo: WHAT errors?
10:25.44wols!tell mikelo about smart
10:25.44mikeloI am very dislessic today :)
10:26.05alex12wols, =)
10:26.21alex12wols, non standard chipsets, probably wrong wording there heh
10:27.04mikeloslayerXP i know I just wanted to experiment this tecnique... I love having problems to solve :)
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10:27.58mikelowols: tnx for the tip
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10:31.47enoufheh craptops
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10:33.13mikelocya all gotta go work a bit
10:33.21enoufmikelo: one sec
10:33.29enoufmikelo: you used generic.all_generic_ide=1 ?
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10:44.30duryhi there channel :)
10:45.04appelzahi
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10:46.44duryI've just installed a distribution based in debian but I have problems with X doesn't appear (gnome) even gdm
10:47.41duryit's a distribution developed here in the basque country called Euslinux
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10:48.34tarzeauat least you didn't say room
10:48.39tralaladury, we cannot support "based on debian" distros
10:48.40tarzeau!based on
10:48.41dpkgYour distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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10:49.27simonrvnbest to visit their channel/site/forum/mail list/whatever
10:50.12tralaladury, there are many, _many_, *many* debian based distros. Here we're only interested in the original.
10:50.32duryright I see
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10:50.44durynever mind
10:51.37defunkhey every1, can anyone help me solve an annoying "hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21" error @ startup?
10:51.37tralalanever mind it is then
10:51.59duryI like debian actually I'm running it in my laptop,
10:52.08defunki googled a bit and found only 1 solution for this - recompile the kernel with the DMA probe turned off
10:52.34defunkwhich is a bit radical for me, but do i even need that "DMA" thingy?
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10:53.06tralaladefunk, if a single boot message is the whole problem, recompiling is going to bring more problems than it will solve
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10:53.24defunkwell it's actually multiple msgs
10:53.33tralaladefunk, what hardware?
10:53.39defunkmake the boot longer by 2 mins :S
10:53.40tralalaand which debian?
10:54.01simonrvnif it's actually causing problems, it's something to consider, but otherwise probably not worth it
10:54.10defunki believe it's sarge
10:54.15simonrvnah, well, that's a potential issue ;)
10:54.16defunkwhere exactly do i check?
10:54.22simonrvnthat too
10:54.25tralaladefunk, /msg dpkg version
10:54.37defunklol
10:54.38tralaladefunk, if it's sarge you better upgrade
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10:54.51themill!tell defunk about sarge->etch
10:55.19defunkon 2nd thought, maybe i have etch :P
10:55.31tralaladefunk, check it
10:55.41tralala(don't guess it)
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10:55.45defunk'/msg dpkg version' didn't work
10:56.08defunkand console dpkg --version got me:
10:56.14tralaladefunk, this is an irc command and it works
10:56.16simonrvnwould be in a new window..
10:56.23themill!tell defunk about version
10:56.30defunkDebian `dpkg' package management program version 1.13.25 (i386).
10:56.48themillthat's etch
10:57.07defunkok :)
10:57.09tralaladefunk, chipset, disk type, problem history?
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10:57.57defunkwhich cmd gets me the chipset / exact disk type?
10:58.01adamkCan someone let me know what version of Xorg is included in Etch?
10:58.05defunkother than ofc opening my box and finding out :P
10:58.45tralalaadamk, do you run etch? dpkg can
10:59.08adamktralala, No, I don't :-)
10:59.16yzaLyzarCMy ssh debian box is haxored
10:59.24yzaLyzarCHow to prevent damage?
10:59.32tralalayzaLyzarC, backup regularly
10:59.35wolsyou can't. reinstall
10:59.45simonrvntake it offline AFAP
10:59.55tralala!wtf afap
10:59.57dpkgGee...  I don't know what afap means...
11:00.02yzaLyzarCtralala: Backup? It is allready hacked, the hacker is using a while ago.
11:00.06themill!tell adamk about search
11:00.07wolssimonrvn: we don't fap here
11:00.14tralalaas far as possible from the lan cable? ;)
11:00.19liablefap fap fap..
11:00.25wolsyzaLyzarC: then damage prevention is a bit late, no?
11:00.34simonrvnas fast as possible. just made it up
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11:00.36yzaLyzarCwols: I want to prevent damadge
11:00.37themill!tell yzaLyzarC about reinstall
11:00.44adamkthemill, Since I'm not on Debian, that doesn't do me any good :-)
11:00.51simonrvntralala: that works ;)
11:00.51yzaLyzarCthemill: No way, cannot do that to a server
11:00.54wolsyzaLyzarC: there is nothing to prevent anymore. shut down the box and reinstall. it'S the ONLY thing you can do
11:00.58adamkthemill, Oh, never mind...  I see the URL now.
11:01.02adamkthemill, Sorry, and thanks :-)
11:01.04themilladamk: :)
11:01.15tralalayzaLyzarC, hire a _competent_ admin
11:01.26yzaLyzarCwols: I was thinkng more in the lines of chmod all the folders to my user only
11:01.28defunktralala, how do i check for my exact disk type and chipset?
11:01.36simonrvnyzaLyzarC: it's been cracked... it's now dead. reinstall. and do it now or ASAP
11:01.44defunk(without opening up my box)
11:01.56tralaladefunk, from the order documents, the manuals... the seller site
11:01.57yzaLyzarCdefunk: lscpi -l
11:02.41simonrvnyzaLyzarC: do not pass go, do not collect 200$
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11:03.01defunkhuh? yzaLyzarC that doesn't work
11:03.04yzaLyzarCsimonrvn: You will give me $200?
11:03.05wolssimonrvn: it's NOT dead, it's resting!
11:03.18yzaLyzarCdefunk: lscpi then
11:03.19wolsyzaLyzarC: you should have thought of that BEFORE you let it get cracked
11:03.26yzaLyzarCor lscpi
11:03.37simonrvnwols: *fwap* *fwap* *fwap* :P
11:03.41wolsdefunk: dmesg
11:03.47yzaLyzarCwols: I dont think he has root
11:03.58defunkwols, paste the whole thing here?
11:04.07defunki tried dmesg | grep chipset
11:04.09wolsyzaLyzarC: and why would you need root?
11:04.15wols!paste
11:04.15dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:04.29simonrvnno
11:04.30simonrvn^*&%^*^ lag
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11:04.40wolsdefunk: pastebin the output of dmesg and lspci there
11:04.50yzaLyzarCwols: He dont have root, the hacke, I have root
11:05.11simonrvn...
11:05.24wolsyzaLyzarC: as if you were in a position to know
11:05.32wolshow did he create his ssh account without root?
11:05.49simonrvnyzaLyzarC: TAKE IT OFFLINE AND REINSTALL ALREADY
11:05.53yzaLyzarCwols: Used one of them
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11:06.00defunkdmesg: http://rafb.net/p/zVSXXu53.html
11:06.01wolsyzaLyzarC: my guess the hacer simply has a lot more clue than you do
11:06.13wolssimonrvn: he is too moronic to do it
11:06.14petemcyzaLyzarC: how do you know theres a hacker on your machine?
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11:06.30simonrvnwhy do people always act like it's a debate with this sort of thing?
11:06.30yzaLyzarCpetemc: Files magically appear
11:06.36defunklspci: http://rafb.net/p/IXc5gU18.html
11:06.48wolsdefunk: hda: WDC WD1200JB-00FUA0, ATA DISK drive
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11:07.00simonrvn*BLINK*
11:07.01defunkyea, thx :)
11:07.04wolschipset is an intel i865
11:07.07wolsi865G
11:07.10petemcyzaLyzarC: what kind of files?  do you see him logging in via last?
11:07.23yzaLyzarCpetemc: Donno, files saying hello and such
11:07.27tralaladefunk, how old is the disk? When did these messages start appearing?
11:07.44defunki think it's about 3 yrs old
11:07.47defunkmaybe a bit less
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11:08.14tralalawols, ich5, the video chipset is rather irrelevant
11:08.18defunkit started appearing from the first boot of this machine
11:08.30defunkwhich was a week~ ago
11:08.43wolstralala: it's the northbridge. his "chipset"
11:09.00defunki believe wols is correct
11:09.12wolshis hdd controller is ich5 of course
11:09.22wolsdefunk: I always am :P
11:09.41defunki hope u know how to fix my problem then :)
11:10.00defunka 4 mins boot isn't very pleasent...
11:10.08themilldon't reboot
11:10.09wolsunlikely
11:10.13wols!reboot
11:10.13dpkgYou want to reboot for WHAT??  If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot.  Ask me about <qotd2>.
11:10.21defunk=)
11:10.22wolssee that? follow it :)
11:10.33yzaLyzarC!qord2
11:10.38yzaLyzarC!qotd2
11:10.38dpkg<mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it.
11:11.09defunklol
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11:11.12yzaLyzarC!qotd3
11:11.13dpkg<toggle> by the way I don't have man installed..
11:11.21yzaLyzarC!qotd4
11:11.21dpkg<alfred> how do i set my date and time from an nntp server? <greycat> hahaha
11:11.27wolsyzaLyzarC: stop it
11:11.29themill!tell yzaLyzarC about msg the bot
11:11.32yzaLyzarCwols: OK
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11:12.05themillyzaLyzarC: if your machine has been cracked, then there is nothing you can do short of a reinstall. You suggest chmod -- what if chmod has been modified? How do you know if they are logged in and running things? Have ps and top been modified to prevent you seeing the attacker's activities? If they have root access then anything you do to stop them is useless as they can just undo it.
11:12.07themillyzaLyzarC: Reinstall is your *only* option and you should take the box offline *now* to save the rest of us from some spam (or whatever else it's doing).
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11:13.13defunkso the conclusion is that i just have a faulty drive?
11:13.21yzaLyzarCthemill: I can slay the user, delete it
11:13.29themillbollocks
11:13.34tralaladefunk, possibly. Try another one.
11:13.34wolsdefunk: controller, cable or drive
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11:13.53defunkok best hope it's just the cable.. i have plenty of that
11:13.53wolsdefunk: now you get to play the fun game of "hunt down the culprit"
11:14.22defunkproblem is, it's not just 3 options
11:14.29themillyzaLyzarC: what if rm is trojaned too? How will you know that you have removed the user? How will you know they haven't left other backdoors on your machine?
11:14.32defunkit might be the combination of each pair
11:14.42tralaladefunk, btw you do want DMA if you're going to use the disk for anything more than launching programmes
11:15.09defunkok now would be a good time to ask, what is DMA? after googling it havn't got any relevant results
11:15.24tralala!dma
11:15.24dpkgdma is probably (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process.
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11:15.42tralaladefunk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access
11:16.04tralaladpkg, dma is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access
11:16.04dpkgokay, tralala
11:16.07defunkwell actually i don't need this machine other than to play SC2 or for my programming needs
11:16.51yzaLyzarCthemill: Can you do that witouth sudo?
11:17.11simonrvnyzaLyzarC: a cracked box is not a normal box, you can't treat it like you can trust it... the whole thing could have had half or more of /bin and /sbin replaced by trojaned binaries
11:17.28themillyzaLyzarC: wtf does sudo have to do with this?
11:18.08simonrvnyzaLyzarC: all set up so that whatever you do, the cracker will know what's going on, and things like ps won't show him because *it's been written not to*
11:18.32yzaLyzarC!qoted36
11:18.34simonrvnyzaLyzarC: like i said, there's no debate here to be had
11:18.38yzaLyzarC!qotd36
11:18.38dpkg<pder> will debian run on a computer system?
11:18.49simonrvn...and welcome to my fucking ingore list
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11:19.11yzaLyzarCthemill: If someone dont have sudo it cannot be attacked
11:19.21azeemwhat
11:19.26wolsyzaLyzarC: huh?
11:19.27krinnshi all i want to see all services list thats run on startup
11:19.30defunkyzaLyzarC, why keep being stubborn?
11:19.35yzaLyzarCI mean root
11:19.35krinnsany command to list all services
11:19.53wols!tell krinns about runlevels
11:19.54oddergot a lame question about screen... I've got a screen installed on debian etch powerpc, and when I run screen, I see only "sh-3.1$" instead of "myusername@hostname". cd doesn't show the current directory I am in.. any ideas how to change that? Google doesn't help as far as I see
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11:20.38to_I'm currectly using debian etch[Stable] in which the released version of trac is 0.10.3. Can I safely upgrade to 0.10.4(which is the real stable) without breaking debian packages dependencies
11:20.40to_?
11:20.42to_+hi
11:20.56defunkok tralala / themill / wols ty very much, i'll try switching cables and maybe get another drive
11:21.10krinnswhat u mean wols
11:21.11tralalato_, /msg dpkg backports
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11:21.20tralaladefunk, you're welcome
11:21.20wolsodder: for some reason or other $PS1 is not set which mean bash doesn't execute its dotfiles properly
11:21.29wolskrinns: I mean dpkg messaged you
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11:21.51wolsto_: mot really
11:21.57wols!info trac etch
11:22.03dpkgtrac: (Enhanced wiki and issue tracking system for software development projects), section web, is optional. Version: 0.10.3-1etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 374 kB, Installed size: 2072 kB
11:22.08to_tralala, can I find any backports for trac 0.10.4 ?
11:22.20wolsto_: why don't oyu look?
11:22.54to_wols, I've tried to find it on backports.org but without sucess
11:23.06tralalato_, if there aren't any you can backport it yourself
11:23.11tralalato_, /msg dpkg simple sid backport
11:23.13Faithfuladdict: /etc/screenrc
11:23.25wolsthen it doesn't exist I guess
11:23.28Faithfulodder: /etc/screenrc
11:23.31wols!tell to_ about simple sid backport
11:23.36yzaLyzarCCan I have kde icons in gnome?
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11:24.37to_!tell /me about sid backports
11:25.05yzaLyzarCCan someone quote to_?
11:25.11yzaLyzarCto qtod?
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11:26.06simonrvnto_: like this: "/msg dpkg simple sid backport"
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11:26.13to_ohw thx!
11:26.22to_I'll backport it so :))
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11:27.59themillyzaLyzarC: On what basis do you believe that a machine is unable to be attacked without sudo installed? Sudo is a means of *giving* privileges and only requires a competent admin to set it up. Cracking a box relies on unpatched flaws in the kernel or other services (i.e. *not* sudo) to gain root privs.
11:28.14themillyzaLyzarC: BTW are these kde and gnome icons on this cracked server?
11:28.32simonrvn'server'
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11:29.30themillsimonrvn: that was the optimal word I was heading towards....
11:29.48simonrvnheh
11:30.09to_what is the codename of the current sid?
11:30.20themillumm... sid
11:30.30themillto_: sid is always sid.
11:30.33simonrvnif you have to ask...
11:30.34yzaLyzarCthemill: I meant root
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11:30.52tarzeauunstable is its other name
11:30.56to_ok, what is the codename of the future stable ? :D
11:31.06wols!lenny
11:31.06dpkgi guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars.  Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wir> <rsn> and <siyh>).
11:31.23krinnswols
11:31.38krinnsi want to know what services are on at which runlevel
11:31.54wols!tell krinns about sysvinit
11:31.55krinnsjust as in redhat we can see by doing chkconfig --l
11:32.02wolskrinns: also: there are no services
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11:32.58krinnshow i run sysvinit
11:33.08krinnswhat u mean no services
11:33.48wolsthere are no services. windows has services, linux does not
11:33.48to_when dpkg says me "1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list." where could I find the URL of the sid repository, I don't know it...
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11:34.03wolsto_: same place as your etch one
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11:35.39to_could you give me the official debian one because when I only replace etch by sid, it doesn't work: "Err http://mir1.ovh.net sid/main Sources"
11:35.46g4borhi. in debian lenny, the version of mercurial is 0.9.5-3. is there any way to get version 0.9.5-2?
11:36.24g4bori mean, it WAS once in debian-lenny, but not anymore. is there maybe a repository that contains also somehow the older packages?
11:36.31Maulkin_g4bor: erm... is there any particular reason?
11:36.51g4borMaulkin_: i complicated one :(. i understand that this is generally a bad idea :)
11:36.58wols!tell g4bor about sdn
11:37.14yzaLyzarC!tell wols about abrotman
11:37.21Maulkin_g4bor: It's just that 0.9.5-2 and 0.9.5-3 are both the same upstream version
11:38.03themillyzaLyzarC: are you a troll? Or utterly naive? Or just a totally incompetent admin?
11:38.05Maulkin_yzaLyzarC: please don't abuse the bots.
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11:38.35g4borMaulin: yes, but i think the dependencies are different. i need to avoid to upgrade anything (except installing mercurial).
11:38.40wolsthemill: all of the above. you forgot "moron" too btw
11:38.57yzaLyzarCthemill: Incompetent? I had my first name as user and my last name as password
11:39.06wolsg4bor: crate a backport
11:39.19Maulkin_g4bor: The only dependancy that seems to be majorly different is python, as the previous one was wrong
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11:39.51Maulkin_yzaLyzarC: do you have a Debian related question?
11:40.05yzaLyzarCMaulkin: Yes
11:40.20MaulkinWhich is?
11:40.27yzaLyzarCMaulkin: Can I read all dpkgs DEBIANS quotes?
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11:40.52wols!tell yzaLyzarC about smg the bot
11:40.53MaulkinyzaLyzarC: 1) No. 2) That's off topic here.
11:41.08wols!tell yzaLyzarC about msg the bot
11:41.16MaulkinAnything else we can help you with before you leave?
11:41.20themill!typosmite wols
11:41.23wolsMaulkin: anything which gets him off our back :)
11:41.32wolsthemill: that is VERY redundant by now for me :P
11:41.39themill:)
11:42.17yzaLyzarCMaulkin: I want to overclock my 10mbps networkcard to be more like 20mbps. Can debian do this?
11:42.37MaulkinyzaLyzarC: no. Go to ##hardware.
11:42.43MaulkinThanks for playing. Bye now.
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11:43.02themillthanks, Maulkin
11:43.22to_wols, at step 3), when I `apt-get build-dep trac` apt wants to install some packages!!! is that normal?
11:43.23wolsMaulkin: now you did it and he will pester the poor #hardware people (I'm currently in there)
11:43.29wolsand ther is no op there :(
11:43.32simonrvn\o/
11:43.37wolsto_: yes
11:43.40Maulkinwols: It's not #debian :)
11:43.54wolsMaulkin: but I suffer still!
11:43.59wols*sigh*
11:44.00Maulkinwols: and it's not on OFTC. Thus, it's not my problem :)
11:44.11wols!curse Maulkin
11:44.12dpkgMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Maulkin!
11:44.16simonrvnsome people just need a jumpstart.... anyone got a fully-charged car battery? :P
11:44.31Maulkinwols: I'm sure one of the lovely Freenode opers (*cough*ping*cough*) can keep an eye out :P
11:44.32cekz!curse cekz
11:44.33dpkgMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, cekz!
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11:45.54wolsto_: just make sure it's no sid package it gets, but it shouldn't since you only have the deb-src line for sid
11:46.10to_wols, yes you're right
11:46.20to_that's ok
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11:50.01FordCortinawhy is it that when i do (as root) "echo "ls -zx" | at -m now + 1 minute", root does NOT get an email with some error in it (in a minute from sending the command)?
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11:50.20simonrvni have some funky pinning going so i can include sid and lenny (sid deb-src lenny both)
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11:54.21cybermadi'm installing debian 4.0 etch right now.. but the software update is very slow.. do you have any recomendation what server better to use?
11:54.56liableif its security, its often slow
11:55.35themillget a faster connection?
11:56.24cybermadreliable & faster
11:57.52cybermadright now it stuck at retrieving 86 of 109
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12:11.09Ottsenhello
12:11.25Ottsenive got a little prob with fetchmail because sometimes if the sender address of a mail is not ok fetchmail doesnt want to fetch it ... in the log file is an entry with 401 4.1.7 bad sender address syntax
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12:11.55Ottsenwhat could i do ?
12:12.43themillwhich log?
12:13.06Ottsen-verbose
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12:14.00Ottsenbut fetchmail works fine if the mail address is ok
12:14.28themillDo you get fetchmail to deliver the mail through exim?
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12:15.12Ottsennot to exim, to postfix
12:15.35themillis this error also in the postfix log?
12:16.02Ottsenoh wait a minute, ill look ... i didnt do that :/
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12:19.00mbroekersmtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks i guess
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12:21.27[UG]User2633!nvidia-one-liner
12:21.42[UG]User2633dpkg is not here?
12:21.47themill!tell [UG]User2633 about nvidia one-liner
12:21.58[UG]User2633oh, thank you :)
12:22.33themillnp
12:22.37themilldpkg: nvidia-one-liner is <reply> see nvidia one-liner
12:22.37dpkgthemill: okay
12:22.43themill!smarter bot
12:22.43dpkgYep! Always getting smarter and soon I will rule the world....
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12:26.45Ottsenhmm postfix says connected and disconnected
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12:28.24themilland that's all? I've never heard of fetchmail doing that sort of filtering, so I'd definitely be looking at postfix. BTW where is this badly formed from address coming from?
12:29.01Ottsenill post that line of fetchmail
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12:32.15dnirlhi I have have a problem with the xserver. when i try loging in it says fatal error. I check the logs is says screens found but but none have a usable config. I was previously using recongiguring xorg before this happend.
12:33.31Ottsenhttp://pastebin.ca/928930
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12:34.42dnirlootsen im in an internet  cafe i cant paste the logs
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12:34.55Ottsenshould i post the mail log from postfix ?
12:35.37themillOttsen: that looks like the delivery lines not the fetch lines which implies postfix. But that's a wacky email address.
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12:36.36themillTurning up the log level in postfix might help. You might like to experiment with talking just to postfix via smtp yourself. (e.g. telnet localhost 25 ...) to confirm this.
12:36.38Ottseni know that it is a spam mail  but if fetchmail gets hundred of these mails, it hangs sometimes
12:36.55Ottsenkk
12:36.59Ottsenill try it
12:37.27Ottsenthank you very much for helping :)
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12:41.44speedysquid package compiled with smartfilter enabled?
12:42.03Ottsensquid is online yes
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12:48.04ph|berhey.. anyone using an encrypted root fs?? when i built a new kernel i dont think it had the crypto in it, but i did a make on the old config.. do i have to add anything to the initrd?
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12:56.13m_digeAnyone in here using the prestine kernel from kernel.org ?
12:56.31mypapitwut do you mean by prestine?
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12:56.51pingouinhello
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12:57.46pingouinsomeone knows a software under debian, working in console - need to do it throught ssh - ncurse or so, to handle more easily iptables rules ?
12:57.55pijuhello mypapit
12:57.57m_digemypapit: the "original" kernel which can be downloaded from kernel.org. Not the patched debian kernel
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13:03.19tarzeaum_dige: i use kernel.org kernels yes
13:03.22tarzeau!make-kpkg
13:03.23dpkgfrom memory, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
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13:04.10m_digetarzeau: okay. Can you tell what I need to do to achieve this. I have some doubts about using kernel-headers when compiling out-of-tree modules
13:04.33tarzeaum_dige: it's linux-headers and linux-source nowadays
13:04.37laurlywhere is php installed :/
13:04.39tarzeaum_dige: which modules do you use/need?
13:05.05tarzeaum_dige: sometimes the stuff is not ready for the latest kernels (as of now, it's openafs for me, nvidia, webcams, vmware, virtualbox work fine though)
13:05.14tarzeaulaurly: dpkg -L packagename tells you where the stuff goes
13:05.23themill!wayttd laurly
13:05.23dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, laurly?
13:05.40laurlyrun a php script in shell
13:05.57themillthen you need the php5-cli package and you'll have /usr/bin/php
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13:06.19m_digetarzeau: it is because i have used gentoo for several years and i used to compiling my own kernels using the latest versions. And I want to be able to do this in Debian as well
13:06.27laurlybingo
13:06.41tarzeaum_dige: well you can...
13:06.51tarzeaum_dige: wiki.debian.org/Enterprise is how i do the modules
13:06.57tarzeaum_dige: and the !make-kpkg was for you
13:07.33m_digetarzeau: Thanks for the info. I'll have a look at that
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13:21.14Ottsenthemill ?
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13:23.40speedydebian installer stalled on 5% for 1 hour, in console i see warnings about libpcre3, and a Yes or No to continue or abort
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13:23.55bajjikhow do i adjust the screen resolution. i try the screen resolution changer but I have only one option. ?
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13:25.08bajjik640*480 is too big
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13:25.18genoobiehey all
13:25.27harkspeedy: use the etch installer
13:25.33genoobieI'm working with a distro called finnix
13:25.45smallGnomeIs there a way to use my Nokia 6230i's modem in debian?
13:25.46genoobieI'm trying to download and patch the latest version of a particular pkg...
13:25.47hark!drxx bajjik
13:25.47dpkgbajjik: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
13:25.49tarzeau!based on
13:25.50dpkgYour distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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13:27.11genoobieokay...thanks dpkg
13:27.22mrAz!offtopic
13:27.23dpkgA little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net
13:27.44genoobieokay..since I'm kind of a newb...I
13:27.51genoobiewill head over there...
13:28.06bajjikhark by using the dpkg as root wont break the xserver. does dpkg  stop gdm ?
13:28.24mrAzhow to ask dpkg about merging testing with unstable ?
13:28.31tarzeaumrAz: merging?
13:28.37tarzeaumrAz: you can either have testing OR unstable.
13:28.44tarzeau!bobbitt
13:28.44dpkgRemember Lorena Bobbitt?  Remember what she did to her husband's woody?  Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
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13:30.08fireba11Hi, i want to find out what IP currently got a lot of traffic to one box .. what shell commands can i use to analyze this ?
13:30.15harkbajjik: no it won't, you'll have to restart X. or you can try xrandr
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13:30.27tarzeaufireba11: iptraf
13:30.58bajjikhark ok so i need to stop x . i know how to do that.
13:31.05GHETOOOOhi, whats the main differences bewtween distros of linux? just the packages and apps? or theres something deeper i should be aware? :)
13:31.47bajjikmy other question is omn starting up my comp hangs for about 20 seconds at   starting MTA
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13:31.53tarzeauGHETOOOO: quality, bug tracking
13:31.56tarzeau!why_debian
13:32.01tarzeau!why debian
13:32.01dpkghttp://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/
13:32.12tarzeaubajjik: DNS?
13:32.55GHETOOOOtarzeau but basicly all distros function the same right? i mean is the same kernel?
13:32.57bajjikThis happens whenevr i start up. online and off
13:33.07GHETOOOOsame commands with terminal and all?
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13:33.12tarzeauGHETOOOO: no
13:33.13telmichhello
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13:33.24tarzeauGHETOOOO: well most have linux, some patch the kernel some don't, some configure it different
13:33.31telmichanyone seen that on debian lenny during dist-upgrade: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata
13:33.33tarzeauGHETOOOO: debian also has gnu/hurd and gnu/kfreebsd
13:33.50tarzeauand there exist other kernels with dpkg/apt (nexenta, opensolaris)
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13:35.33bajjikhow do i check if im using the nv driver ?
13:35.33Faithfulsourceforge.net is broken
13:35.34GHETOOOOtarzeau im using debian, but everyone tells me to start with ubuntu, but i want to start with xubuntu cause already has xfce and thats the desktop envmnt im using atm, will debian to xubuntu be a good change?
13:35.51azeemGHETOOOO: just try it
13:35.53Faithfulbajjik: which nv driver is the question
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13:36.02Faithfullook in xorg.conf
13:36.12tarzeauGHETOOOO: it might be good for you. are you not happy with debian?
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13:36.36Faithfulthe proprietary nv driver displays a splash screen
13:36.42bajjikok thanks Faithful
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13:36.57bajjikfaith yeah i have a splash screen
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13:37.31bajjikthanks
13:37.34Faithfulbajjik: as in an nVidia splash screen when gdm starts?
13:38.47GHETOOOOtarzeau absolutely not, but im thinking that for a beginner like me it will be better ubuntu, cause sometimes im lost on debian
13:39.17tarzeauGHETOOOO: yeah try it, or keep asking here when you get lost/stuck w/ debian
13:40.36seria-maui'm trying to create a debian package und run dh_make. now i'm wondering what package type cdbs is?
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13:40.57tarzeauseria-mau: try apt-cache show cdbs
13:40.58seria-mauit's a plugin for an app so i think i should choose library
13:41.12tarzeauseria-mau: most probably you'll want single binary
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13:41.27tarzeauseria-mau: i'd take single binary for a plugin
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13:41.44tralalaGHETOOOO, using ubuntu might be easier for certain tasks, but you'll lose the support of #debian, which will make it harder for many other tasks
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13:42.17seria-mauit's also cmake based. and maint-guide seems to be autotools centric
13:42.42tarzeauseria-mau: that's no problem, you'll just have to adapt debian/rules for it
13:42.57harktelmich: what if you install tzdata separately?
13:43.08tarzeauseria-mau: what software is it? do you plan to have it into debian officially?
13:43.16telmichhark: jep, works, thanks
13:43.28azethhello
13:43.46azethdamn, etch->lenny maked my comp full of errors
13:44.13azethperl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
13:44.13azethLANGUAGE = (unset),
13:44.14azethLC_ALL = (unset),
13:44.18seria-mautarzeau: it's an otr plugin for kopete. i'm not yet about official debian inclusion. have very little time :/
13:44.30azethwhat is it?
13:44.34tarzeauazeth: just a warning
13:44.37seria-maus/yet about/yet sure about/
13:44.44tarzeauazeth: telling you that you don't have some variables set
13:44.48azethbut why?
13:44.52GHETOOOOtarzeau, look if im going to uninstall debian, the grub keeps installed right?
13:44.57azethwhat i have to do?
13:45.00tarzeauazeth: because it wants those variables and they are not set
13:45.01tarzeauazeth: nothing
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13:45.23tarzeauGHETOOOO: depends how you uninstall it, you can leave it or remove it
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13:46.57Anonissimuserm ... any pointing into the direction of debian on my eee pc?
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13:47.07GHETOOOOtarzeau, im goint to unsinstall it completely
13:47.25GHETOOOOthat uninstalls grub automaticly right?
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13:47.33Simulatorblanxs undilah PKR
13:48.13ravilahow can I create linux-kbuild-xxxx.dep from my compiled kernel?
13:48.39tarzeauGHETOOOO: i don't know of an uninstaller
13:49.04tarzeauGHETOOOO: so no. but usually you just overwrite the harddisk with zeros or repartition it, write new filesystems and install another system
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13:50.02mrAzi am on testing, how do i get nvidia-kernel-2.6.24 ?
13:50.10GHETOOOOtarzeau hehe, well actually im not explaining myself right, what i want to know is, if just insert the cd of xubuntu, boot from it, and choose the debian partition to be formtaed and install xubuntu, that will work just fine? or will debian still be an option of boot in the grub?
13:50.30streunermrAz: /msg dpkg nvidia and read wiki.debian.org
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13:55.53tarzeauGHETOOOO: yeah that'll work
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13:58.33azethE: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.22-3-686_2.6.22-6.lenny1_i386.deb: failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1)
13:58.40azethwhat is it?
13:58.58tarzeauan error
13:59.07tarzeauare you out of disk space or memory or something?
14:00.04Ace2016Does anyone know a music download service which i can access from within linux? without having to use a special program or windows media player
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14:00.49dryroti once saw a FAQ on buying music through iTunes in ubuntu
14:01.17tarzeauAce2016: limewire?
14:01.21themillamarok has a music store framework within it, I believe.
14:01.24Ace2016legal
14:01.28tarzeauAce2016: wget + google index of / mp3
14:01.35Ace2016:(
14:01.46VorboteAce2016: Jamendo and Magnatune come to mind.
14:01.46tarzeauin switzerland downloading any music is legal
14:01.50Ace2016but i want high quality music
14:01.57Ace2016lucky you
14:02.00tarzeauyou just can't distribute it if it infringes copyright (well you can, but not legally)
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14:04.08XoXanyone know what the --backup option does to rsync?
14:05.02Ace2016man does
14:05.18epsilon.oO woman doesn't
14:05.25themill!lart epsilon
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14:05.40Ace2016-b, --backup                make backups
14:05.54Ace2016-b, --backup                make backups (see --suffix & --backup-dir)
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14:06.12Ace2016<PROTECTED>
14:06.25XoXAce2016, that dosen't tell me much
14:06.26themillAce2016: yes... keep reading. There are two whole paragraphs on --backup
14:06.36themill:)
14:06.36XoXAce2016, i ran rsync with -b and without didnt see any difference
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14:06.45XoXthemill, really?
14:06.47Ace2016i know but i didn't want to put all that here
14:06.55mrAzstreuner: thanks, but pages dont say more about my problem. i end up with error after m-a auto-install nvidia : dependency problems prevent configuration of nvidia-kernel-2.6.24
14:07.20Ace2016XoX: yes really
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14:08.00themillXoX: do you know how to search inside a man page?
14:08.51XoXno i have no idea , maybe you want to teach me all about man
14:09.35tarzeauthemill: using the / key
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14:09.57lazyfroschis this a joke? ^^
14:10.06XoXis that all
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14:12.03themilltarzeau: maybe the didactic subtly to such questions gets lost on irc... (I asked "do you know how to" not "how do you")
14:12.30gonzaloaf_workhi, why when I run gnome my cpu cooler works very fast and the system turns slow but when I use icewm everything work fine?
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14:13.58mbroekergonzaloaf, icewm uses not so many resources as gnome. How many Ram does your computer have?
14:14.18streunermrAz: dont use testing then
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14:15.48mbroekergonzaloaf, is compiz-fusion active under gnome?
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14:16.27tarzeauthemill: true sorry
14:17.00themill;)
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14:18.47ph|beranyone have a 82801H audio device?
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14:19.20seria-mautarzeau: i'm stuck. i tried to recreate my buildtree using this .diff.gz and orig.tar.gz but dpkg-buildpackage now complains about permission denied when issuing clean from debian/rules
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14:19.45ManuPhow can i see what a *.deb would install if i install with dpkg -install
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14:19.46streunerph|ber: what does "cat /proc/version" say?
14:19.47ManuP?
14:20.20ph|berLinux version 2.6.22-4-686-bigmem (Debian 2.6.22-6~bpo40+2) (nobse@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 19:21:05 UTC 2008
14:20.24tralalaManuP, by reading the fine manuals
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14:21.09ManuPtralala, not somehow with dpkg -show file.deb??
14:21.16streunerph|ber: no sound at all?
14:21.25ph|berim getting this error on trying to build alsa.
14:21.27ph|berhttp://pastebin.com/m7e351dd9
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14:21.33tralalaManuP, does the manual list such an option?
14:21.48ManuPtralala, no
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14:21.59streunerph|ber: why do you want to build alsa, its in every Debian kernel by default?
14:22.12ph|berbc my sound card does not work.
14:22.12themillManuP: you can use mc to see inside the deb. Or dpkg-deb to unpack the archive in a temporary location
14:22.20ph|berim on a thinkpad t61
14:22.28ManuPtralala, ah, you mean the manuel of dpkg... okay. i will read this. i thought you meant the manuals of the program i want install.
14:22.36abrotman!alsa checklist
14:22.36tralalaManuP, my guess is that it won't work then. However if you read the manual carefully you'll discover an option to do it.
14:22.37dpkgmethinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
14:22.59tralalaManuP, yes, the manual of dpkg
14:23.15ph|berit does not work.
14:23.19ph|beri have ran alsaconf.
14:23.28abrotmanph|ber: and steps 2-8 ?
14:23.34ph|berwhen i run alsamixer there are only 2 levels..
14:23.37ph|bershould be more than that.
14:24.01ph|berand no on the #8
14:24.33themill!tell ph|ber about laptops
14:24.39streunerph|ber: so alsaconf regonizes your card pretty well?
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14:24.55streunerno entry in linuxlaptops.net about t61
14:24.59themillph|ber: thinkwiki and a recent thread on debian-laptop mailing list will help you with that beast
14:25.18ph|berthemill: been through that.
14:25.24azeemfor Thinkpads, try thinkwiki.org as well
14:25.57dryrotmy sound works great on my t61 (running ubuntu, dont shoot me)
14:26.03NetNietHi, I'm on a a xen debian install 2.6.18.xs4.0.1: There is no /etc/timezone file and it does not know tzconfig  .... do i mis a package or how can i fix this
14:26.14themillph|ber: else ask in #alsa (but I'm pretty sure the thread on debian-laptop ended up in success)
14:26.34themillph|ber: ask dryrot what kernel and alsa version he's using. And exactly what sound card he has.
14:26.38abrotmanhe skipped half the steps ..
14:26.40streunerph|ber: why not using the latest kernel out of bpo?
14:26.48streunerbpo has 2.6.24, IIRC
14:26.50abrotmanstreuner: he is apparently .. look at his kernel version
14:27.00streuneroh
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14:27.15abrotmanbut he might want to try an m-a a-i alsa instead of goofing with their sources
14:27.30streunerabrotman: 2.6.22
14:27.53dryrotcan an intel mac boot from a debian etch cd?
14:27.54streunerph|ber> Linux version 2.6.22-4-686-bigmem (Debian 2.6.22-6~bpo40+2) (nobse@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 19:21:05 UTC 2008
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14:29.43ph|berstreuner: what is latest?
14:29.48streuner!kernel
14:29.50dpkgLinux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.24.3, prepatch: 2.6.25-rc4, 2.4: 2.4.36.2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-rc3-mm1
14:30.01streunerin bpo 2.6.24, IIRC
14:30.13ph|beri have the bpo in my sources
14:30.15ph|berbut no 2.6.24
14:30.53ph|beraps 2.6.2 |grep 2.6.24
14:30.53ph|berslop:/usr/src#
14:31.00abrotmanstreuner: i know that
14:31.08ph|beraps is apt-cache search
14:31.34streunersorry, my bad
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14:31.45streunerits really 2.6.22 (latest)
14:32.02ph|beryeah.. which is what im on.
14:32.06Nyle_database*/~
14:32.07abrotmansid has .24 .. but i believe bpo backports the kernel from lenny
14:32.24abrotmanhaha
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14:32.36Nylestupid freenode
14:32.41Nylegoddamit
14:32.43abrotmanph|ber: do you know hwich version of alsa is required to make your card work ?
14:32.51ph|beratleast .15
14:32.52ph|beri think
14:33.12abrotmanph|ber: try `m-a a-i alsa` .. see if you get alsa 1.15 or whatever number it is
14:33.16abrotman!info alsa-source etch
14:33.19dpkgalsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-5 (etch), Packaged size: 2479 kB, Installed size: 2532 kB
14:33.24abrotmanoh .. damn ..
14:33.29abrotmanignore me
14:33.43grubwhere are the changelogs of a package located?
14:33.44abrotmani thought etch had a .15 source package
14:33.57streunerdryrot: what kernel do you use?
14:34.00themillthat's in lenny (.16, in fact)
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14:34.27amphigrub: /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE
14:34.36grubthanks amphi
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14:35.10Nyleamphi: I wonder what happens when a spanish guy says your name and then 'good' in spanish.
14:35.13Nyle;)
14:35.14helo_is CC licensed content ok for official debian packages?
14:35.23NyleCC?
14:35.33helo_creative commons (lessig's license)
14:35.44Nylehelo_: /msg dpkg polic
14:35.46Nylehelo_: /msg dpkg policy
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14:36.25Nyleamphi bien (amphibian) you're a tool.
14:36.31helo_could we have NIN packages?
14:36.41NyleNine Inch Nails
14:36.42Nyle?
14:37.01NyleEnglish please, I don't speak 'acronym'
14:37.04A-KOHey, got a question for you all. Outside of say, the normal server security junk, is there anything specific to debian that I should know when running a server based on debian?
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14:37.23NyleA-KO: NSA Trusted Security Guides
14:37.38Nylespecific to debian, eh
14:37.44wols!harden
14:37.44dpkgharden is, like, D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
14:37.56Nylethats the one
14:37.56A-KOcool, I'll take a look at those links.
14:38.19Nylehttp://www.nsa.gov/snac/downloads_all.cfm
14:38.34ph|bersweet.. 1.0.15-rc3 built
14:38.39Nylewow
14:38.42Nylethey don't list debian
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14:39.22Nyleugh
14:39.23Nylewtf
14:39.35Nylethat shit is like MS only I think
14:39.39ph|bersweet!
14:39.41ph|bergot it
14:39.50ph|berer
14:39.51ph|berwait.
14:39.57ph|berno sound.. but the devices are there.
14:40.16streunerdid you check the alsa checklist, what abrotman told you?
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14:40.37streuneryou need to logout and log back in first
14:40.39Nylethats is fucking stupid, the gov. really does suck balls.
14:40.44ph|bersweet!
14:40.45ph|berworking
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14:40.53ph|berhad to up the volume on the dock..
14:41.04streuner!congratulate ph|ber
14:41.05dpkgNice one ph|ber, you did it!
14:41.14Nyleand they got these security guides for ms products
14:41.29ph|berdifferent.. im a slackware guy at heart..
14:41.36ph|berhavent used debian any..
14:41.51ph|berand all our systems here at work are redhat.
14:42.55NyleI mean seriously
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14:44.00solar_seaafter installing etch i386 on a system, updating sources.list with 'lenny', apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade fails
14:44.14ManuPhow do i test microphone?
14:44.21ph|berManuP: plug it in.
14:44.22NyleManuP: you speak into it!
14:44.25solar_seaE: Internal error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata
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14:44.40streunerdpkg stable->testing
14:44.40dpkgFirst, see <apt-listbugs>.  Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.  NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
14:44.43ManuPph|ber, it is pluged in. and now?
14:44.53ManuPNyle, right. and nothing happens :)
14:44.55NyleManuP: set volume levels
14:44.56solar_seastreuner: i have done this
14:44.57ph|beryou should be able to unmute it. and speak into it
14:44.59solar_seaand it fails
14:45.14ManuPNyle, i did set both volume levels in alsa.
14:45.15streunersolar_sea: show us the error in paste.debian.net
14:45.21ManuPNyle, boost too.
14:45.23solar_seai did here, the
14:45.30NyleManuP: well something is the matter
14:45.41NyleManuP: double check all levels
14:45.44solar_seaE: Internal error, could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata
14:45.46Nylemake sure nothing is muted
14:45.47streunersolar_sea: just ignore that warning
14:45.57ManuPNyle, is there a simple program to record all inputs and replay them?
14:45.59solar_seait halts after it
14:46.05NyleManuP: amarok
14:46.10Nyleoh what the fuck am i saying
14:46.10streunerhm
14:46.10solar_seaand returns back to the shell
14:46.11NyleAudacity
14:46.25Nyleaudacity displays signal levels as they come in from line/mic
14:46.35streunersolar_sea: can you show the whole error or is that all you got?
14:46.43solar_seathat's all
14:46.47ManuPNyle, amarok can record? how that?
14:46.57Nyleyes Amarok can wipe my ass too
14:47.01Nyleisn't that nifty.
14:47.11NyleManuP: Audacity.
14:47.12solar_seaand actually, i'm on a pretty naked base system, ssh-ed into my home machine so that i could run irssi :)
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14:48.30streunersolar_sea: mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst /tmp
14:48.31ManuPNyle, audacity records nothing
14:48.35tarzeauseria-mau: is your src pkg online?
14:48.39Nyleyes it does
14:48.40streunersolar_sea: (dirty hack) ;-)
14:48.48harksolar_sea: what if you install tzdata separately?
14:48.49Nyletarzeau: hi
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14:49.04Nyletarzeau: gamin'?
14:49.05solar_seajust a second, i did an apt-get install tzdata, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
14:49.22solar_seaand it runs for now
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14:49.37streunergood
14:49.41ManuPOSS: /dev/dsp is this right, Nyle ?
14:49.48amphiNyle: eh?
14:50.08solar_seabut it should be noted as a bug, i used the goodbye-microsoft installer to get debian :)
14:50.08Nyletoad.
14:50.09Nyle;)
14:50.16Nyleamphi: ribbit?
14:50.25harksolar_sea: it's already been filed
14:50.31amphiNyle: what happens if someone says 'sbæna' after my nick?
14:50.34Nyle!debian.exe
14:50.35dpkgdebian.exe is, like, the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst.  Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig).
14:50.36solar_seaah, fine :)
14:50.46Nyleamphi: I'm sorry what?
14:50.47zambaas root, how can i resume other users' screen session?
14:50.56zambawithout tweaking a lot with permissions in /dev?
14:51.04seria-mautarzeau: no. but i found the answer: dpkg-source :)
14:51.15grubwas the lastfm plugin removed from the audacious package in debian lenny?
14:51.32solar_sea<PROTECTED>
14:51.40Nylegrub: packages.debian.org
14:51.40solar_seaops, sorry :)
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14:51.59amphiNyle: they get a two-headed serpent
14:52.22Nyleamphi: I'm a 2 headed serpend, just my other head isn't usualy visible until ....
14:52.44Nyleyou know
14:52.49Nyledoin the nasty ;)
14:53.05Nylezamba: hm
14:53.12tarzeauseria-mau: good
14:53.14MaulkinNyle: are you bored or something?
14:53.17amphiNyle: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/pseudodoxia/pseudo315.html
14:53.20ManuPmy micro is plugged in and sound-output works fine. alsa even shows microphone-volume-bar, but i dont get any voice recorded. why?
14:53.28NyleMaulkin: trying to busy myself
14:53.35MaulkinNyle: Want something to do?
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14:53.48NyleMaulkin: not really ;)
14:54.00Nylezamba: I dont think so
14:54.01MaulkinNyle: Go on... it'll be useful for Debian... :)
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14:54.16NyleMaulkin: ok what is it buddy?
14:54.32foobaris "r128" a driver for the xorg.conf?
14:54.43Maulkinhttp://www.halon.org.uk/tmp/xpdf.log contains a list of packages that potentially embed or statically compile against xpdf code. They need verifying for false positives :)
14:54.53m_digetarzeau: one question: linux-header-version
14:54.53NyleMaulkin: oh boy
14:55.04Nylehow did I know it was package related
14:55.40Nylehehe
14:55.41Nylei'll get on it after I get high, deal?
14:55.41m_digetarzeau: does that have to be exactly the same as uname -r
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14:55.46streunerfoobar: modinfo r128 - yes
14:55.47NyleMaulkin: and yes I'm bored out of my friggi mind
14:55.48MaulkinNyle: meh, as long as it gets done and is right :)
14:56.36foobarstreuner, do you know if there's a new called "hdradeon" or something like that ?
14:56.57NyleMaulkin: ummm thats hilarious, clamav
14:56.59Nylehahaha
14:57.10streunerfoobar: why?
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14:57.42foobarstreuner, a friend just tell me about this
14:57.56streunerand why do you need to know this?
14:58.05NyleMaulkin: that is a long list.  What exactly do you require?
14:58.11foobarstreuner, to try it :)
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14:59.11GHETOOOOhey fast question how is the name of the millionaire that supports ubuntu?
14:59.23azeemGHETOOOO: please ask elsewhere
14:59.28azeemUbuntu is off topic here
14:59.31NyleMark Shuttleworth
14:59.36NyleI can't spell
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14:59.42Nyleah sorry
15:00.23GHETOOOOazeem it was just a fast question... its not like im askin for support for ubuntu in here
15:00.36Nyledebian-installer-manual_20050317sarge2_i386.deb: Infected.Archive FOUND
15:00.37grubhmm, i wonder why i dont have the last.fm plugin with me in audacious-plugins package, although i don't see anything in the changelog mentioning it being removed
15:00.42Nylesarge?
15:00.44GHETOOOOdunno why that competitivity between distros,,, is such a retar thing
15:01.09grubanyone using audacious in here, and has the same problem ?
15:01.23streunerazeem already told you. *ubunt* is OT here
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15:01.28NyleGHETOOOO: its more complicated than that
15:01.32Nyle!based on debian
15:01.32dpkgYour distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
15:01.38NyleGHETOOOO: ^^
15:01.47Nyleits not because of competition, its just a waste of time
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15:02.02MaulkinThis is all off topic hete
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15:02.12Nylethat it is
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15:02.51MaulkinNyle: It was run on a sarge system I think.
15:02.56ttyS1What package do I need, to install Berkerly Db ?
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15:03.21NyleMaulkin: thinking bout how it could have happened
15:03.35Nyleberkely db?
15:03.35MaulkinttyS1: bdb is a database storage engine. Which database do you want to use?
15:03.48Nyle!bdb
15:03.49MaulkinNyle: Can't remember exactly how I scanned it.
15:04.01Nyleoh boy
15:04.02abrotman!tell path about away
15:04.13Nylealright
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15:05.24xomhauhi all
15:05.26MaulkinNyle: ahh: for I in `find /mirror/debian/pool/ -name *i386.deb`; do clamscan -i -d xpdf.ndb --deb --tempdir=/home/maulkin --no-summary --max-space=1024m --stdout $I >> /home/maulkin/xpdf.log; done;
15:05.30Nyledpkg bdb is Berkeley DB (BDB), a high-performance, embedded database library with bindings in C, C++, Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, Tcl, Smalltalk, and many other programming languages.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_DB -- http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix99/full_papers/olson/olson.pdf
15:05.30dpkgNyle: okay
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15:06.22ttyS1Malkin: I'm trying to configure vsftpd with virtual users but it requires Berkerly DB to generate the users file
15:06.25xomhauwhy normal user can't copy from ntfs filesystem? only root can do that
15:06.34Nyle!ntfsro
15:06.34dpkgadd a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
15:06.35xomhauwhy normal user can't copy data from ntfs filesystem? only root can do that
15:06.41Nylexomhau: permissions
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15:06.57Nylespecify group cdrom/ user uid *yours*
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15:07.01Nyleapparantly
15:07.08Nyleuid=1001 in factoid but use yours
15:07.11etsetup ntfs-3g setuid root and everyone can mount and use ntfs partitions
15:07.25Nylexomhau: grep for your username in /etc/passwd
15:07.34abrotmanor his mount options are wrong
15:07.39chopset: Even if anyone can mount it, normal users won't be able to read the filesystem if the UID is set wrong
15:07.42Nyleyou can use those uid/guid if you want
15:07.48Nyleabrotman: nice
15:07.52Nylexomhau: how are you mounting it
15:07.54Nyle?
15:07.58wolsgetent passwd <user>
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15:08.55xomhauNyle: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda6 /mnt/win/
15:09.09Nylexomhau: see what dpkg said about ntfsro
15:09.18xomhauNyle: thank, let me try
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15:09.35mrAzon debian nvidia wiki is : "Alternatively if you are using a kernel you built yourself: m-a a-i -i -t -f -k /usr/src/sourcepath nvidia-kernel " i compiled kernel myself does it mean i should say there /usr/src/linux ? it gives me "Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 566, <$apt> line 7"
15:09.57Nyleet: 3g is unreliable and unstable, regardless of what people might say.  3g has fucked my data over pretty good, gladly I had backups
15:10.04wolsmrAz: you should install your kernel headers. you DID make kernel headers, right?
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15:10.11wols!tell mrAz about nvidia_post_etch
15:10.43xomhau!tell about ntfsro
15:10.58xomhauopss
15:11.02wols!tell xomhau about selftell
15:11.06Nylexomhau: /mdg dpkg
15:11.26ttyS1Maulkin: I need to use the db_load command to generate this file
15:11.31mrAzwols: i did all the steps described before on wiki
15:11.54Ace2016hi all </Ace2016>
15:12.05xomhauNyle: wols thank you
15:12.08wolsmrAz: I told you what to do, or rather dpkg did. wiki is old and outdated
15:12.37Nylethere is one thing though
15:12.43Nylegentoo wiki is friggin awesome
15:12.56ttyS1I guess that comes with the Berkerly DB but I'm not sure what package I need to install
15:12.59Nylebut they don't have the all knowing dpkg bot
15:13.01mrAzwols: i see. thanks
15:13.17abrotman!find db_load etch
15:13.27dpkgDebian Search of 'db_load' (6 of 8): (/usr/bin/htdb_load) in web/htdig ;; (/usr/share/tinymux/game/data/db_load) in games/tinymux ;; (/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sisu/0.48/db_load_tuple.rb) in text/sisu ;; (/usr/lib/rpm/{rpmdb_load|rpmdb_loadcvt}) in admin/rpm ;; (/usr/share/doc/db4.3-doc/utility/db_load.html) in libs/db4.3-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/db4.4-doc/utility/db_load.html) in libs/db4.4-doc.
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15:13.57enoufNyle: ever wonder why our wiki isn't quite as good? i have
15:14.09Nyledo clamscan -i -d xpdf.ndb
15:14.16Nyleenouf: too may potheads in debian?
15:14.18Nyle;)
15:14.31abrotmanenouf: it's not really a user-oriented wiki ?
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15:14.54enoufi have no answers, only questions ;-)
15:14.54Nyleabrotman: its not?
15:15.13SerajewelKSenouf: it's not good because you didn't make it good :)
15:15.27NyleSerajewelKS: no, its because WE didn't make it good
15:15.39wolsenouf: no one updates
15:15.51Nylethat is tue
15:15.55enoufall good answers, i agree
15:16.00SerajewelKSNyle: uhm, it was a joke...
15:16.12NyleSerajewelKS: oh did I forget a smiley at the end?
15:16.20NyleSerajewelKS: I'm aware :)
15:16.34enoufi wish i knew enough to do so (for even minor thiings) - but i suck
15:16.41SerajewelKSNyle: your reply wasn't a joke though, it was the knife in the tire that used to be my joke :)
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15:16.46Nyleenouf: you do you enouf
15:16.46Nylehahaha
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15:16.58NyleSerajewelKS: awe, my bad dude
15:17.04NyleI am not a funny guy, I try, but maybe I should stop
15:17.07SerajewelKSNyle: it's all good
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15:20.25NyleMaulkin: where did you get xpdf db file?
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15:23.39Nyleholy shit its wed. already
15:23.42Nyledamn
15:23.49streuner"xpdf db file"?
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15:24.18Nylestreuner: clamav virus database
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15:25.37Nyle!hurd
15:25.37dpkghurd is, like, a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net
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15:28.45Nyle4. Cross Install  The next step is to get a base system. There are several alternatives, if you are running a Debian system you can use the package crosshurd.
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15:29.33Nylenow, can I ask exactly how this crosshurd is? or is that for #hurd?
15:29.52NyleI don't know if #hurd is only the kernel channel
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15:30.39eric_ramirezHi everybody
15:31.19eric_ramirezHow can I install Adobe's Flash Player?
15:31.38Nyle!abode flash
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15:31.50Nyle!adobe flash
15:31.50dpkgAdobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from backports.org or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>.
15:32.44MaulkinNyle: I made it
15:32.54NyleMaulkin: details
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15:33.31MaulkinNyle: compile xpdf, run a hex editor, search for a unique binary string. Generate a clamav signature from that
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15:34.02MaulkinNyle: See that it fails horribly, and retry :)
15:34.12Nyleoh god
15:34.18SkaagI'm trying to build php5-gd from source, I ran apt-get source php5-gd but it brings php5-5.2.0 instead, or is that how it's supposed to happen?
15:34.23NyleMaulkin: I will leave you to your own devices
15:34.25Nyle:)
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15:34.36MaulkinSkaag: yes.
15:35.03abrotmanokay .. i realize adobe flash is non-free .. but not including it?
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15:35.33Mantaarhi! I need someone who knows a bit about networking & DHCP. I'm trying to address one of my dhcp3-server's clients, but it only says 'destination host unreachable'. What do I have to do in order to be able to connect to one of my server's clients?
15:35.35Nyle!dbugs #457291
15:35.38dpkg#457291:S[flashplugin-nonfree] flashplugin-nonfree: decision 2007-12-21: keep this package out of stable starting with lenny; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:21:04 UTC
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15:35.49Nylegreat
15:35.55abrotmanyes .. i can read .. thanks
15:36.00enoufbravo
15:36.08Nylegood for you, calm down.
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15:36.28NyleMantaar: subnet mask
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15:36.33NyleMantaar: gateway?
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15:36.54Gandalf84hi
15:37.32NyleMantaar: if you have an ip you can ping it and see if the client is hot
15:37.57NyleMantaar: you can't connect to it unless it has some sort of a server running on it, what do you mean by connect
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15:38.01MantaarNyle: yes, thanks, I already figured that it had something to do with the subnets, but I'm rather new to (the more complicated) networking stuff. My server is connected to WAN using FF.FF.FF.0. Client can ping server, server can't ping client.
15:38.01themillabrotman: they're going to include it in volatile. probably. hopefully (?)
15:38.09abrotmanthemill: no .. volatile said they won't
15:38.16Gandalf84i'm an ubuntu user, i try to install libpng and libcairo2 but i receive the error "failed to write cache", i find this http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg266900.html
15:38.18NyleMantaar: ##networking
15:38.19abrotmani don't personally use the package
15:38.22abrotmanGandalf84: ask #ubuntu
15:38.30themilloh... I hadn't read that bug for a while.
15:38.35abrotmani install mine via the tar.gz from their site .. but still ..
15:38.39MantaarNyle: OK, I'll try it there.
15:38.47Gandalf84but when i try to touch the directory i receive the error i haven't the autorization to do it (also using sudo)
15:38.50abrotmanGandalf84: ask #ubuntu
15:39.00Gandalf84it's a debian problem too
15:39.07Gandalf84there they cannot help me
15:39.14abrotmanGandalf84: we do not support Ubuntu here
15:39.18NyleGandalf84: if you don't go to #ubuntu YOU will also become a debian problem
15:39.23abrotmanif you want help here, install debian
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15:39.40Gandalf84i read some forum, it's a debian problem too
15:39.42Skaag_sorry I was disconnected, if you wrote to me can you please repaste?
15:39.46Nyleoh, #debian problem ;)
15:39.56fengorGandalf84: are you using debian? no? then its not a debian problem
15:40.01abrotmanGandalf84: and you're using Ubuntu .. ask them
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15:40.15fengor!ubuntu
15:40.15dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
15:40.17themillabrotman: ahh... using bpo. That's not so bad then.
15:40.34NyleGandalf84: if you can't find help from ubuntu community, you should figure they are a bunch of noobs, get with debian instead
15:40.38Gandalf84why you are so stupid? try to go to this post: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg266900.html
15:40.42Gandalf84it's a debian post!
15:40.45abrotmanthemill: except for those that can't read the instructions and mess up their system
15:41.01NyleGandalf84: why are YOU so stupid? Why continue to use a distro that sucks, and where you find no help?
15:41.31Nyle!d-i Gandalf84
15:41.31dpkgGandalf84, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.
15:41.35abrotmanmaybe they should ship lenny with a defaulted preferences that pins backports below the regular stuff
15:41.44abrotman(commented out)
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15:42.26themillGandalf84: so if that's the exact same problem, why don't you follow the instructions in that post to solve it?
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15:42.46zeliphi guys.. I have a new dual core pc, can I run debian ia64?
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15:42.54themill!ia64
15:42.54dpkgit has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*,  then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64
15:42.56abrotmanzelip: did you spend 10,000$ on your machine ?
15:43.10PrezeShi
15:43.31fireba11abrotman : haha
15:43.46zelipno..
15:44.02fireba11zelip: then you probably mean amd64
15:44.09zelip!hppa
15:44.10dpkgsomebody said hppa was called pa-risc
15:44.20abrotmanzelip: you want amd64 or i386 .. NOT ia64
15:44.21Nyle!hippa
15:44.30SlayerXPzelip: PACK IT IN.   Play with the bots via /msg
15:44.44zelipjaja ok
15:44.59Skaagis this channel logged somewhere?
15:45.13wolshopefully not
15:45.19wolsat least we don't know of any place that does
15:45.27themillused to be, but not any more, it seems
15:45.30themill!channel archive
15:45.30dpkgThis channel is usually archived at http://irc-archive.com/channel/FreeNode/debian and sometimes at http://ircarchive.info/debian.html
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15:45.39Skaagit's weird how darkness creeps on you, I've been working on my computer for a few hours now, and suddenly I lift my head and the house is absolutely dark
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15:45.48wolsabrotman: aren't there cheaper thank 10k$ IA64 amchines?
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15:45.55wolsabrotman: or is the USD that worthless now?
15:46.01themilldpkg: ia64 =~ s/it's amd64/it can use either amd64 or i386/
15:46.02dpkgthat's too long, themill
15:46.07themilldpkg: stupid bot
15:46.07dpkgno, stupid themill
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15:46.25Skaagwols: haha, will the logging change the way you talk on this channel? :-)
15:46.30abrotmanwols: i'm sure there are .. probably down to 5k or so .. let mek now ifyou can find them
15:46.53Nylewhat is so special about the damn ia64?
15:46.59enoufSkaag: happens to me all the time
15:47.06Skaagthose logs don't have 2008 yet
15:47.11Skaagthey are still in 2007
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15:47.17fireba11Nyle : ithanium
15:47.22Nyleyes I know
15:47.27MaulkinSkaag: It's logged by me.
15:47.27Skaagenouf: Yah it's weird for me, still, even though it's happened to me before
15:47.29Nylebut what is so special about it?
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15:47.39Nylehow is so much better than other intel cpus?
15:47.44MaulkinSkaag: and I know others who log it
15:47.45SkaagMaulkin: So once in a while you upload those logs to be processed?
15:47.50MaulkinSkaag: no.
15:47.55fireba11Nyle : nothing, just people confisuing it with amd64
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15:47.59Nyleoh
15:48.09SkaagI want to see if someone responded to my question while I was disconnected :-)
15:48.16Skaagjust 5 minutes ago
15:48.23MaulkinSkaag: looking
15:48.24NyleI made the confusion once last year when I purchased my first em64t cpu
15:48.45fireba11Skaag: highly unlikely
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15:48.52Skaagfireba11:   :-)
15:48.53MaulkinSkaag: I did.
15:48.56Skaagah
15:49.05Nylewhat is a skaag?
15:49.05fireba11Skaag : normally people don't akswer to offline folks :-)
15:49.07Maulkin15:34 < Maulkin> Skaag: yes.
15:49.12Skaagdid you ask me to do horrible things to myself with a stick?
15:49.18Nylewhat?
15:49.24Skaagfireba11: I had a zombie here, that's the thing...
15:49.38Nylewhat are you people talking about?
15:49.45Skaaghaha
15:49.52fireba11Skaag : ah okay then
15:49.55enoufmaybe it was the zombie creeping up on you, not the darkness
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15:50.00Skaaglol
15:50.03MaulkinSkaag: It's normal. php5-gd comes from php5 source package. Now, perhaps you should explain what your actual problem is?
15:50.13Nylezombie, zombie, zombie ee ee ee eeeee
15:50.49Nyleyou know its like that
15:51.03NyleI did apt-get source klipper and I got kdebase source
15:51.17enoufheh
15:51.21Nyledidn't knwo it was in kdebase
15:51.36Skaagmy problem is this: "imagettfbbox() libgd was not built with FreeType font support in ...."
15:51.41Nylebtw, I wonder what I did with that patch i made about the bug
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15:51.53SkaagAnd I really need that stuff to function
15:52.05SkaagI took a look at the package description, it's supposed to be there (Freetype font support)
15:52.13Skaagbut for some reason, it is not... :-o
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15:52.23mofinowhat package do I need to get all the core libc man pages?
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15:52.33mofinomissing all kinds of pages.
15:52.35MaulkinSkaag: What's the output of 'dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1" please?
15:52.39enouf!search
15:52.39Nylehm
15:52.40dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt
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15:52.46Maulkinmofino: manpages-dev?
15:52.51Nylethere was a comprehensive devell
15:52.52mofinoMaulkin, nice, thank you.
15:52.53Nylether eyo ugo
15:53.06Skaagii  libc6          2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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15:53.43Maulkinthanks
15:53.43mofinoman inet_ntoa works!
15:53.49mofinothank you again Maulkin
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15:54.06enoufmofino: what dpkg told you will help you much in the future
15:54.16mofinoenouf, ?
15:54.27Nyleenouf: !tell
15:54.39enouf!tell mofino -about search
15:55.00enoufNyle: people have 2 line scrolls? lol
15:55.02mofinoindeed, I couldn't remember a filename though.
15:55.06SkaagMaulkin: What say you?
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15:55.14abrotmanmofino: apt-file search inet_ntoa would be enough
15:55.16Nyleenouf: people don't pay attention to anything beyond thier nose
15:55.18Skaagdoes it look normal? :)
15:55.20abrotmangrr
15:55.31SkaagI feel like I just opened my mouth to the doctor, and said: aaaaaaaaaaa
15:55.38sander_mHello. Is it possible to grant a user SFTP access (jailed, like FTP can) but no SSH shell? All google is telling me is full ssh chroots using either a custom compiled sshd or some sudo+chroot script (with a possible exploit)
15:55.44enoufNyle: bingo - just making sure
15:55.56Skaagsander_m: yes make his shell /bin/true and add /bin/true to /etc/shells
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15:56.16Skaagshould do the trick
15:56.20Nyletrue?
15:56.30SkaagI believe that's what it was
15:56.40Nyleif you say so
15:56.45MaulkinSkaag: Right...
15:56.49sander_mSkaag: Does that also lock STTP access to the user's hoem directory liek FTP does?
15:56.54SkaagMaulkin: to which question?
15:56.57sander_mSFTP... typo....
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15:57.04GhostInTheShellsander_m: try rssh
15:57.17MaulkinSkaag: what's the output of:
15:57.19Maulkinphp -r "echo imagettfbbox(5, 0, \"/usr/share/munin/VeraMono.ttf\", \"the text\"); echo \"\n\";"
15:57.20GhostInTheShellit's a restricted ssh shell
15:57.29enoufsftp uses shh no?
15:57.32zafyhi all, I'm trying to find the python-xml package for python2.5 on debian etch but it doesn't seem to exists
15:57.47sander_mGhostInTheShell: I'll google for it. Thanks for the suggestion
15:57.53enoufscponlyc .. or is it sftponlyc ,. er
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15:58.06SkaagMaulkin: Warning: imagettfbbox(): Could not find/open font in Command line code on line 1
15:58.09zafycan anyone tell me how I should proceed ? maybe recompile the package ?
15:59.00chopszafy: I thought python packages on Debian were supposed to be available from all installed versions of python...
15:59.21zafythe default package for this one specifies under python 2.5
15:59.31zafyI found it on ubuntu though so I'm guessing it can be done
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15:59.44Nylehttp://packages.debian.org/etch/python-xml
16:00.02sander_menouf: Yeah. I'm reading the rssh homepage now and it reference scponly :-)
16:00.19Nylepython (<< 2.5) python (>= 2.4)
16:00.20Nylehm
16:00.23zafyNyle, yeah
16:00.24chopszafy: That means that you can't install it on a system with the _default_ python set to 2.5 -- which isn't etch, so you're all set.  Just install python-xml and python2.5, and python-xml will be available from python2.5
16:00.31enoufsander_m: cool, find out about scponlyc as well (chrrot)
16:00.41MaulkinSkaag: ok... now replace /usr/share/munin/VeraMono.ttf with a ttf file you know exists :)
16:00.47zafychops, I have debian etch and I set python 2.5 as default myself
16:00.49zafycuz I need it
16:00.51chopszafy: python, python2.4, and python2.5 are three entirely separate packages.
16:01.04chopszafy: Why do you need it?  That will cause you many problems (of which this is one).
16:01.17SkaagMaulkin: I did, it returns an array
16:01.27Skaagmeaning, it works there... it can find the function
16:01.28chopszafy: You may be able to do a simple sid backport and get it working
16:01.31zafychops,  because the app I'm using is under python2.5 and many packages I'm using depend on 2.5
16:01.41zafychops, that's what I'm looking into actually
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16:02.22SkaagMaulkin: That's php5-cli, I guess it works there, but not in the apache2 module
16:02.33chopszafy: Non-etch packages?  If you're using an app that uses python2.5, change the shebang line to /usr/bin/python2.5 and be done.  All support packages should be available under all installed versions of python, as I said.  Changing the default may break a lot of things.
16:03.23zafyshebang line ?
16:03.47abrotman#!
16:03.47Nylethe #!
16:03.50themillzafy: #!/usr/bin/python-2.5
16:04.04themillerm.. without the -
16:04.04Nylenever heard shebang myself
16:04.15Nylealways knew it as hash bang
16:04.19zafyin which file ?
16:04.27Nylezafy: the py script?
16:04.49themillNyle: it's a contraction of hash bang for lazy speakers
16:05.03NyleI figured as much
16:05.05Skaagok I know what the problem is
16:05.10Skaaggod i'm silly
16:05.16SkaagI'm using suphp
16:05.44SheogorathBisous Naischa. <3
16:05.47zafywhich py script ? I must be sounding like a noob but I don't get it
16:05.57enoufNyle: ha sh bang
16:06.04Skaagok but that calls /usr/bin/php5-cgi
16:06.19SkaagMaulkin: my suphp calls /usr/bin/php5-cgi...
16:06.32Nylezafy: whicher one
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16:06.40zafyNyle, ???
16:06.40chopszafy: The app that you have that depends on python2.5 -- you should change the line at the top of each of the scripts from #!/usr/bin/python to #!/usr/bin/python2.5
16:06.56chopszafy: That will be easier that rearranging the entire rest of your system to work properly with python 2.5 as the default
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16:07.07chopszafy: IMHO
16:07.13*** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer)
16:07.32zafychops, that's not the issue, the issue is I have a package that is not working with python2.5 and I need one that does
16:07.41zafythe python-xml package
16:07.47zafythe rest works fine
16:08.15chopszafy: I'm suggesting that your approach is incorrect and you should go back and do something different.  If you insist on ignoring my advice and continuing to try to make an etch system work with python 2.5 as the default, you should do a simple sid backport of the python-xml package.
16:08.18Nylerahul: gandoo
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16:08.28chops!tell zafy about simple sid backport
16:08.43Nylechops: continue*
16:09.11jetscreamerok stop everything, stop debian, stop linux! we can't have linux take over windows, it would be disasterous for the economy, millions of windows based it personell would be out of a job! think of the repercussions!!!
16:09.21jetscreamerpersonel
16:09.34zafychops I understand, but even if I do follow your advice and change the hash bang, that doesn't change the fact that this package will still not work with python2.5
16:09.38zafyso I do need a backport
16:09.41abrotmanjetscreamer: try again
16:09.51Nylejetscreamer: been smokin' crack recently ?;)
16:09.59jetscreameri ruined it :/
16:10.10limpioi want to know what packages are included in build-essential, is there a command, been checking the apt-howto...
16:10.15jetscreamerno i stay away from crack and heroin
16:10.23Nylejetscreamer: that is true though
16:10.32abrotmanlimpio: apt-cache show build-essential
16:10.32NyleI make a living from spyware etc.
16:10.33chopszafy: Why do you assume that python-xml will not provide its functionality to /usr/bin/python2.5?
16:10.34Nyleat least for now
16:10.41chopszafy: I believe that it will
16:10.43abrotman!depends build-essential etch
16:10.48jescisjetscreamer, how about pot(marijuana)?
16:10.56themilllimpio: apt-cache depends build-essential
16:11.04limpioabrotman: nope, i tried that, it just gives a description but not the packages included thx
16:11.07dpkgbuild-essential: depends on libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.1.1), g++ (>= 4:4.1.1), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5)
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16:11.11zafychops, because it's not I tried
16:11.16abrotmanlimpio: look at the Depends line
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16:11.39limpiook
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16:11.51Nylejetscreamer: http://jtech.hfds.com
16:11.53jetscreamerdrugs are BAD, and i mean that.. alcohol is worse for you than pot, too!
16:12.14jescishow so?
16:12.15tarzeauoh no!
16:12.20Nylejetscreamer: contemplating removing 1 image row dunno which one
16:12.30tarzeaubut if you take only small little amounts of alcohol to a good meal
16:12.32tarzeauit's ok, isn't it?
16:12.38Nyletarzeau: use is
16:12.41Nyleabuse isn't
16:12.41tarzeaui mean some champaign or wine?
16:12.56Nyleif you don't finish your glass of alcohol, it is alcohol abuse
16:13.00jetscreamerhow is drink worse than smoke? how many ppl high on pot kill ppl while driving
16:13.01Nyleand I will kick your ass for it ;)
16:13.02tarzeauand nicotine? smoking?
16:13.05Nyleugh
16:13.08Nylefuck smoking
16:13.10limpioabrotman, thank you
16:13.11Nylenasty habit
16:13.20tarzeaulsd and other psychedelic drugs?
16:13.24Nylenice
16:13.25tarzeaus,drugs,stuff,
16:13.27Nylealways a treat
16:13.31jetscreamerand pot doesn't make you wanna kick ass's
16:13.35jescisI rather eat pot
16:13.38jetscreameror so i hear...
16:13.42tarzeaujescis: cakes?
16:13.46jetscreameryeah that's it
16:13.47Nyleyo guys'
16:13.51Nylehello
16:14.03Nyleok then
16:14.05jescisno by its self
16:14.21Nylesssh.
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16:14.41chopszafy: I'm currently installing python2.5 and python-xml on my etch system to verify that it works if you don't mess with the python system in ways you're not supposed to.  I could be wrong about this, but I'm inclined to think that the faut lies with the way you've changed the python default.
16:14.59zafychops, could be
16:15.08zafythank you for the help
16:15.20Nylechops: I had a etch box but overnight it turned itself into a lenny box
16:15.34NyleI have massive demonic possession in my pcs
16:15.50NyleI was actually high and logged into the wrong box and upgraded it
16:15.51Nyle:(
16:16.02zafychops, thing is I'm actually trying to install python-zsi which depends on python-xml
16:16.11jetscreamersure, blame being high
16:16.12NyleI mean my point is, I could also test but I don't have any more etch
16:16.33jetscreamerdon't blame you not being careful enough or being aware of your capabilities at any given time
16:16.36jetscreamer:p
16:16.48chopsjetscreamer: He wasn't, he was blaming demons
16:16.57Nylejetscreamer: now I have a lenny lamp/squid/vsftpd/upnp share/ etc. etc. server
16:17.02jetscreameri know, i was telling him not to
16:17.21NyleI was so mad
16:17.29Nylei feel like my my server is dirty now
16:17.36Nylejust unclean filthy like a skank
16:17.46NyleI have half a mind to reinstall etch
16:18.01jetscreamerwhen is lenny maybe going stable?
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16:18.14abrotman!wwlr
16:18.14dpkgLenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/02/msg00002.html
16:18.14chops!tell jetscreamer about wwlr
16:18.18jetscreamer1-3 months, 3-6, >6?
16:18.33Nylejetscreamer: by 2009
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16:18.40Nylemaybe early-mid 09
16:18.51jetscreamer&tell chops parse error
16:19.02chopsjetscreamer: ?
16:19.08Nyleif they shoot for second half of 08, you know to simply tack another 6 months min
16:19.15jetscreameryou parsed my statement incorrectly
16:19.52jetscreameri'm asking if they have an approximate target date they are shooting for
16:20.01jetscreamernot when will it be released
16:20.02Nylejetscreamer: the factoid tells you
16:20.07Nyleum
16:20.19Nylewhat is the difference?
16:20.39jetscreamerone is definitely not set in stone
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16:20.41gonzaloaf_workhi, I'm executing cp -r /home/template/* /etc/skel/, but it doesnt copy the hidden files, why not?
16:21.07jetscreameri always use -R, do both work?
16:21.43chopsjetscreamer: "Definitely set in stone"?  You must be new here :-)
16:21.52Nylehahaha
16:21.56Nylenew
16:21.56themillgonzaloaf_work: you're * is doing that matching within the dir. You aren't actually copying the dir itself, just the *-matched contents.
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16:22.44jetscreameri am n00b, hear me roar, about error numbers too big to ignore
16:22.46chopsjetscreamer: Debian avoids hard release dates; if it's not ready by the target date, you have to slip the schedule or slip the release quality, and historically Debian's leaned heavily in favor of slipping the schedule.
16:22.56gonzaloaf_workthemill, how do I tell cp to copy everything it founds?
16:23.26zafychops is it working ?
16:23.29chopsjetscreamer: The link dpkg told you lists the targetted release dates
16:23.43jetscreamerheh
16:23.48chopszafy: It's still installing.  We have problems with our network connection here today :-(.  It'll be a few more minutes.
16:23.52gonzaloaf_workthemill, besides.. isnt * = all files?
16:23.54jetscreameri didn't bother even looking at it
16:23.55zafyok thanks again
16:23.59jetscreamer:)
16:24.00chopszafy: np
16:24.12themillgonzaloaf_work: no. * is all non-dotfiles. man bash (look at globbing rules)
16:24.43jetscreameri hate getting a hair in the optical thing on my mouse :/
16:24.55jescislol
16:24.59maligorjetscreamer, heh, yeah, it's annoying
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16:25.10maligorespecially with the laser mice since the hole is even smaller
16:25.27Laseryup :)
16:25.40Nyleold guy turns to his teenage son and says, "son quit jerkin' it or yer gonna go blind".  "Dad... I'm over here" said his son
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16:27.07gonzaloaf_workthemill, how do I copy everything including hidden files then?
16:27.09NyleI can't stand rodents with testicle
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16:27.20NyleI mean, mice w/ roller balls
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16:27.31Nylemust have optical
16:27.34jetscreamercp -a ?
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16:27.52jescisthey are bad at doing their jobs
16:27.54mrAzi am looking for module name for Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
16:28.07jetscreameryou have to clean the rollers the ball moves
16:28.12jetscreamerit's not hard
16:28.22jetscreamercruft out the ass
16:28.33jetscreamereew yummy
16:28.36NylemrAz: /msg dpkg hcl
16:28.45jetscreamerlike steering wheel jam
16:28.55NylemrAz: follow the kmuto link and paste your output of lcpci -n there
16:28.56Slap_Stickhey, not really a debian question as such so not sure this is the right place, but with iscsi, if you get a hba, can you use any iscsi hba for any hardware say, as presumably the actual BIOS of the server hardware would only support specific HBA's for configuring?
16:28.56Nyleetc.
16:28.56themillgonzaloaf_work: I'd use rsync. "rsync -r /home/template/ /etc/skel" note the absence of the slash after /etc/skel
16:28.56jetscreamertoejam for the mice
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16:29.17Nylejetscreamer: ugh
16:29.19mrAzNyle: thx
16:29.29gonzaloaf_workso cp is useful
16:29.32jetscreamersame texture, same color
16:29.38jetscreamerseems the same
16:29.46Nylejetscreamer: I have not left my house since friday.
16:29.52Nyleer.. sat.
16:29.53themillgonzaloaf_work: or if you want to use cp, "cd /home/template; cp -R . /etc/skel/"
16:30.06jetscreamerlong as you can pay your bills
16:30.09jetscreameri do that when i can
16:30.18gonzaloaf_workthemill, yes. 2 steps
16:30.21jetscreameri don't go anywhere much, cept for work
16:30.45Nyle`i have no bills
16:30.49Nylecept food/gas/insuracne
16:31.03jetscreamerthe down side is i can't leave town, i'm on call ... can't go to the country :/
16:31.05Nylei done paid 4 months rent up front so im good
16:31.17Nylesoon as lease is over, im outta here
16:31.31Anonissimuswhat the best repository for lenny contrib in belgium?
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16:31.49NyleAnonissimus: I would use apt-spy and search europe
16:31.51jetscreamerftp.<yourcountrycode>.debian.org usually
16:32.04jetscreamerback up your sources.list before you try apt-spy
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16:32.39Nyle!backup
16:32.39dpkgrumour has it, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or ...
16:32.43Anonissimusand how do I add that to my sources.list?
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16:32.57jetscreamerspam him garwor!
16:33.10Nyle!apt-spy
16:33.10dpkgmethinks apt-spy is a secret!  Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list
16:33.12Anonissimus!sources.list
16:33.13dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
16:33.28jetscreamerhey long as we're on a roll...
16:33.29jetscreamer!msg
16:33.30dpkg(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first.  Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received.  (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff.  They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'.  (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).
16:33.35Nyle!dpkgbot
16:33.35dpkghmm... dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem.  Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.
16:33.37Nylehehe
16:33.39Nyleenough
16:33.44Anonissimusevil!
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16:33.49Nyleelves!
16:33.53Anonissimusmy terminal window is not big enough
16:34.00Nylepage up/down
16:34.04jetscreamermake it bigger?
16:34.18Nyle!fbset
16:34.20jetscreamershift + pgup/dn if you mean console
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16:34.31Nylejetscreamer: not in irc clients
16:34.32jetscreamervga=0x318
16:34.35ksis there libvirt in debian 3.1 ?
16:34.43Nyleclients usually have them enabled
16:34.44jetscreamerhence the 'console' word
16:34.50themill!tell ks about search
16:34.51mrAzstrange, i have snd_hda_intel in lsmod, but still no sound
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16:35.00Nylejetscreamer: console irc clients
16:35.10NylemrAz: alsaconf
16:35.20Anonissimusit was just me complaining ... :)
16:35.22Nyle!alsa checklist
16:35.22mrAzNyle: yes, i did
16:35.22dpkghmm... alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
16:35.26Anonissimustrying apt-spy now
16:35.28jetscreamermrAz: lsmod |grep snd_
16:35.42Nylejetscreamer: btw, did you see the updated jtech?
16:35.43jetscreamerAnonissimus: i wasn't kidding about backing up your sources.list first
16:35.43ksjetscreamer:  apt-cache deosn't return anything
16:36.02Anonissimusit has 4 lines now ... I think I can retype that
16:36.10Anonissimusthis is a clean install on an eeepc
16:36.11mrAzcat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works, but i hear nothing
16:36.15jetscreamerks: :/
16:36.23jetscreamerno idea
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16:37.28jetscreamerlibclass-virtual-perl
16:37.45themillks http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libvirt
16:37.55jetscreameri tried just virt
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16:39.07jetscreamerel backport-o
16:39.40jetscreameri always feel weird using ie to browse debian.org
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16:43.01Anonissimusimagine how I reacted t
16:43.13Anonissimusmy dad wanted me to make linux look and feel just like windows
16:43.20Anonissimuscause he was udes to that
16:44.29chopszafy: Okay, installing python2.5 and python-xml on my etch machine, I can start python2.5 and run 'import xml' successfully.  Does that not work for you on your modified system?
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16:45.17zafyit works even though I just apt-get removed python-xml
16:45.21zafychops
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16:46.34slidesingerIs the wpa_supplicant.conf file located in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ the file I should be putting my essid and wpa info into or should I create a second wpa_supplicant file under /etc/wpa_supplicant as indicated in the debian-administration howto?
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16:47.12chopszafy: Hm, interesting -- it looks like the python-xml dom test does _not_ work in python2.5 even though it does work in python
16:47.20chopszafy: So maybe you need a backported python-xml package anyway
16:47.39chopszafy: Still I would not recommend changing the default python on an etch system
16:47.44zafychops, ok
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16:48.14zafywell I'll figure something
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16:48.38chopszafy: Maybe I was just mistaken about the way python packages are supposed to apply to the different python versions, or maybe python-xml in etch just doesn't have proper python2.5 support.
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16:49.01slidesingerThe debian-administration article does not make any reference to the file located in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/
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16:49.07DexterFhi
16:49.34zafychops, what if I just launch the part that needs python-xml with python2.4
16:49.38zafywouldn't that work ?
16:49.44chopszafy: ...
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16:49.52zafyok
16:49.55DexterFnot 100% on topic, but can I copy an unencrypted video dvd by dd'ing it to an iso and write that?
16:49.56vltHello. I'm running Debian Etch and have a modem connected to a serial port (ttyS0?). I want to call someone and provide _him_ with network connection. I'd call it "reverse dialup". What do I need?
16:50.20chopszafy: I would recommend either using python 2.4 for the whole app (which sounds like it won't work), or getting python-xml working in python 2.5
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16:52.26XenguyDexterF: FWIW there's 'k9copy' which rips to ISO
16:52.36ignuWhat commandline will remove a directory and all contents of that directory including any sub-directories?
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16:52.48A-KOrm -rf /directory
16:52.49Xenguyignu: rm -rf (careful!)
16:53.03ignuI'll be careful... thx :-)
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16:53.38zafychops ok
16:54.19zafychops,  thing is the sid version looks like it's depending on a newer version of lic6
16:54.27zafyI'm afraid it's not gonna be a simple as it should
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16:54.56chopszafy: Did you backport the sid version, or just try to install the sid package?
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16:55.22zafychops I haven't tried anything yet (was asked to put mailing in envelopes by my boss
16:55.38zafyjust looked at the sid package page
16:55.39chopszafy: You should backport the sid version, not try to install the sid package.
16:55.44chops!tell zafy about simple sid backport
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16:56.39zafychops thanks i'll try that
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16:57.12abrotmanXenguy: you could leave off the -f
16:57.17masuscan anybody help how to install raid0 for debian or give me a documentation
16:57.40chopszafy: np
16:57.58vltmasus: On a running Debian or new install?
16:58.09DexterFXenguy: to iso...? didint see that, will immerse in its guts
16:58.17Xenguyabrotman: was that for me?
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16:58.45XenguyDexterF: IIRC yes, k9copy will rip to ISO
16:59.09saketramhello, I've a Volume Group (VG) which shares two hard disks.  For the command, `lsvg rootvg` and `lsvg -l rootvg`, I get some details but I do not find info about how much space is left in a VG, so than I can able to create a new logical volume?
16:59.13saketramhow to find that?
16:59.32XenguyDexterF: (I personally like dvdrip :-)
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17:04.59sveajobbHi, I'm trying to install debian on a 3ware-9xxx controller card which only works on some of the newer kernels. I want to run debian-'stable' with just a newer kernel.
17:05.29SlayerXPsveajobb: standard etch install has that driver
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17:05.38sveajobbI got the hint earlier to download some 'distribution' from some site somewhere, made by some asian guy . I know this is pretty vague, but perhaps someone knows of which site ? :)
17:06.13chops!kmuto
17:06.13dpkgFor etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
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17:06.15sveajobbSlayerXP,  it's an 3ware 9690SA it doesn't work with the 3ware-9xxx driver included in the etch.
17:06.42sveajobbchops, aaah ,sweet ! that must be the one :) thanks alot
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17:07.34chopssveajobb: np
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17:09.53moope1to make a 300GB array in raid 10
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17:10.03moope1you need 4 300GB disks right
17:10.21sveajobbmoope1, that is correct
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17:10.32presleyvlt:sorry , on a new install
17:10.36moope1cool, I was loosing there for a min :)
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17:11.10mmlj4that doesn't sound right
17:11.23fedyawhen i installed etch i chose sql server and that installed postres, how do i remove all postres related packages?
17:11.28mmlj44 150GB drives, no?
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17:11.32valdynmoope1: incorrect
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17:11.55sveajobbaahh.. sorry, ofcourse :)
17:11.56valdynmoope1: mmlj4 is right
17:12.13presleyvlt: have 6 HD's 36GB
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17:12.53sveajobbparity + mirror = size*2
17:12.58valdynsveajobb: parity?
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17:13.07mmlj4no parity
17:13.13valdynstripe + mirror
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17:13.22saketramhello, please someone answer,  or atleast show me the direction to get the answer
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17:13.27mmlj4i hate stripes
17:13.29sveajobb;) must be my unlucky day
17:13.35mmlj4i fear stripes
17:13.42Anonissimussorry, but I still don't manage
17:13.51Anonissimuswhat do I have to add to my apt sources
17:13.55valdynsaketram: tried vgdisplay ?
17:14.04mmlj4saketram: ask again, the netsplit interrupted you
17:14.07Anonissimusto include http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/contrib/
17:14.13saketramok
17:14.16saketramhello, I've a Volume Group (VG) which shares two hard disks.  For the command, `lsvg rootvg` and `lsvg -l rootvg`, I get some details but I do not find info about how much space is left in a VG, so than I can able to create a new logical volume?
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17:14.23sveajobbSon of a ..... my debian system won't install .. it can't find the 3ware controller still
17:14.30valdynsaketram: stop repeating already
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17:14.43masus1vlt: are u there
17:14.46saketramok
17:14.47mmlj4valdyn: i asked him to, sorry
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17:15.04saketramI do not have vgdisplay command.
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17:15.11valdynsaketram: vgs
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17:15.21saketramit's also not.
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17:15.26valdynsaketram: i DO have a vgdisplay command
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17:15.43valdynsaketram: run /sbin/vgdisplay
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17:16.23moope1valdyn: incorrect?
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17:17.11valdynmoope1: that referred to you needing 4 300G disks for 300G storage in raid 10
17:17.13moope1valdyn: aha, of course. you dont loose disks with a stripe!!
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17:17.39moope1valdyn: yeh, got it. my brain is a bit fried
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17:17.58fedyai'm wondering why when i'm logged into the system through ssh, i see funny characters in ncurses apps like a's with hats on them instead of a border, perhaps the character sets don't match, how do i fix this?
17:18.02valdynsaketram: i dont have a lsvg command by the way
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17:18.18vltmasus1: AFAIK there's RAID setup in the Debian installer menu.
17:19.07vltmasus1: I used it recently and it worked fine.
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17:19.25valdynfedya: ssh doesnt know about character sets to use, you need to make terminals match, i wouldnt know about a translation layer
17:19.25masus1thanks
17:19.25masus1vlt
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17:20.30fedyavaldyn: what do you mean make terminals match?
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17:21.19valdynfedya: if the ssh server uses utf-8 then you need the terminal where you start ssh use utf-8 too
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17:22.40valdynfedya: try making locales match
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17:22.53valdynfedya: feel free to ask on how that is done..
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17:23.18fedyaill try myself real quick
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17:24.33A-KOhmm, I can't get php and apache2 working properly. I don't see any output on the page (it's as if php isn't working). I have php installed, and lib-apache2-mod-php is installed, and apache works fine otherwise. It's a pretty default config and I didn't do anything with it yet (just installed Debian)
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17:24.35A-KOAny ideas?
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17:25.16A-KOa simple <? echo "test"; ?> never gets parsed...
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17:26.21fedyaA-KO: i believe php is a separate package
17:26.29A-KOit's installed fedya
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17:26.42sveajobbhmm.. what could possibly be wrong if the boot sequence (netboot) freeze up and die  upon  loading: initrd.gz ? it prints about 60 dots then just hangs
17:26.43valdyn!apache php
17:26.43valdyn!apache2 php
17:26.43valdyn!php
17:26.43valdyn!test
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17:26.43dpkgsomebody said php was #php or http://www.php.net/.  Common installation methods include libapache-mod-php4(for apache1), libapache2-mod-php4(for apache2), php4-cli(CGI).  PHP5 now in etch/sid. Don't forget to read http://www.php-security.org and http://www.hardened-php.net - use php4-suhosin/php5-suhosin, or see <php wants me to download still>
17:26.44dpkgTest Failed.
17:26.45Kobazsveajobb: corrupt disk image
17:26.46fedyaonce installed it configured httpd.conf to parse *.php files with the php processor
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17:27.13A-KOyes fedya, well, it added it as a module in modules-enabled and includes everything to parse php files.
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17:27.55fedyais the php module uncommented in httpd.conf?
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17:28.13fedyadid you make sure it was the correct httpd.conf?
17:28.25fedyadid you restart the apache2 daemon?
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17:28.29Kobazcouldn't reproduce it?
17:28.31Kobazer
17:28.35valdynlibapach2-php ships with a README
17:28.41sveajobbKobaz,  hmm. I've downloaded it a couple of times now and nothing seems to be wrong with it :\
17:28.58Kobazbad cdrom drive?
17:29.07Kobazbad ram? bad cpu?
17:29.08sveajobbKobaz,  netboot
17:29.10A-KOthat's fine and all valdyn but where at?
17:29.11fedyaalso you're using short tags <? ?> which would require that directive to be set to short_tags=On in php.ini try using <?php php_info(); ?> and see if that does anything
17:29.19sveajobbKobaz,  newly bought super-duper-expensive server
17:29.21A-KOtried that fedya :/
17:29.26Kobazsveajobb: oh, i thought you were booting the network install image cd
17:29.34Kobazso you're trying to do a bootp boot?
17:30.49Anonissimusok, still nothing working ... I need the madwifi for lenny
17:30.58Anonissimusand can't add the right repository
17:31.02Anonissimussomeone help me out now plz
17:31.24wols!tell Anonissimus about simple sid backport
17:31.29fedyavaldyn: AcceptEnv LANG LC_* <-- does this have anything to do with how the sshd sets it's locale?
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17:31.59sveajobbKobaz,  ah, ok no I'm doing a bootp/tftp boot,  with the image found on http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
17:32.30Kobazi would check the server logs to see if the client is getting the image it's supposed to (if at all)
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17:32.46A-KOfedya: everything seems okay. apache2.conf has include mods-enabled/*.load, *.conf (seperate lines of course). And the files exist in there for php which include all of the details like the miime type, etc.
17:33.17A-KOoh
17:33.18A-KOnm
17:33.25HarisHello people
17:33.26A-KOphp5.load isn't in mods-enabled
17:33.29A-KOit's in mods-available
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17:33.50HarisI'm rebuilding kernel on etch r2. What is the difference between flat memory and sparse memory?
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17:34.00wolsA-KO: a2enmod it then
17:34.20sveajobbKobaz,  yeah I'm pretty sure it does actually, I've successfully booted using other images altough they have been with another kernel version
17:34.20A-KOthere we go
17:34.20A-KO:D
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17:35.33A-KOthat fixed it up
17:35.36A-KOinteresting
17:35.37A-KOthanks
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17:36.21themill!tell TheOnly about away
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17:36.32TheOnlysry that was unintentional
17:37.05Haris?
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17:40.45johndoevodkawhat are amd64's advantages over i386 ?
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17:40.53maligormore bits
17:40.55A-KO64-bit?
17:40.57A-KOmore ram?
17:40.59A-KOetc.
17:41.09Nylelol
17:41.15Nylehaha more bits
17:41.17johndoevodkawhat do i gain from using 64bit proccessor ???
17:41.25johndoevodkareally
17:41.32johndoevodkai never got a good explanation
17:41.33Nyleyou get more bits
17:41.48johndoevodka+ the lack of 64 bit software is annoying
17:41.57A-KOmost all linux apps have 64-bit editions iirc
17:42.04A-KOat least all the major ones?
17:42.05johndoevodkablablabla...
17:42.05Nyleits not true 64bit
17:42.13Nylejust 32bit software compiled under amd64
17:42.17A-KOah
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17:42.20wolsjohndoevodka: mainly bigger address space
17:42.23maligoryeah, porting over to 64bit systems is pretty complete
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17:42.30johndoevodkawols: in english plz :)
17:42.31wolsmore registers for your CPU, etc
17:42.40Nyle!amd64
17:42.40dpkgamd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name.  It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq.  Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64.  For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>
17:42.46wolsjohndoevodka: I am not here to teach you OT stuff
17:42.46HarisThis is a squid box, which memory model will help in serving alot (120k) of connections?
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17:42.57maligorit's slightly faster in some cases
17:42.58johndoevodkawols: OT ?
17:43.01wols!OT
17:43.01dpkgi heard ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
17:43.01Nyle120k connections?
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17:43.14Nyleshould you not load balance ?
17:43.22Nylethat seems a bit high for 1 server to handle
17:43.25HarisI want the kernel to prepare for 65k connections
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17:43.33HarisNyle: This is a dual cpu box
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17:43.41Harisits not going to get that many
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17:43.45Harisbut I want to prepare for it
17:43.53Harisright now, at times it doesn't accept connections
17:44.00NyleHaris: #squid
17:44.02HarisNo idea, why that's happening
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17:44.12HarisNyle: I'm building kernel for etch r2
17:44.16Harisnot compiling squid atm.
17:44.29HarisWhat's the difference between flat and sparse memory model?
17:44.36Hariswhich is better for alot of open connections?
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17:44.36Nyleyou asked which memory config.. oh nm
17:44.42HarisI have 400 open connections at times
17:44.54Harisin netstat -na output
17:45.09HarisI'm guessing this box sees more, because its a transparent nat box
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17:45.52Hariswhile configuring kernel options, I can't find the connections limit
17:46.12HarisI did see a memory limit option, but not for open file descriptors or connections limit
17:46.24maligorisn't sparse for hotplug?
17:47.11HarisI found this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_memory_model
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17:47.49eecchohi room
17:47.55maligor400 connections shouldn't be a problem anyway, bandwidth is rather more so
17:48.06maligoratleast if it's over a very fat line
17:48.22Harismake cpu idle calls when idle?
17:48.42Hariswhy does then this box stop accepting connections randomely during the day
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17:48.56eecchoa quick question -- how do i enable plugin configuration tab in kopete? it's kde 3.5.5 on etch r2
17:48.58wolsHaris: why do you want to recompile the kernel?
17:49.05HarisI can find no other reason other than the limit on number of connections
17:49.19prahalhow could I convert an eps to a ps which embed the eps ?
17:49.22Hariswols: To increase number of connections, file descriptors, enable support for smbfs, etc etc
17:49.34maligorI think you can control those from proc
17:49.41Haris:o
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17:49.48Nyleeeccho: #kopete or #kde
17:49.57Nyleeeccho: #debian-kde too
17:50.10maligorsmbfs support probably is a module in the debian kernels, haven't used it tho
17:50.10Nyleeeccho: I use kopete but not plugins
17:50.24HarisI have this -> net.ipv4.ip_conntrack_max = 65504
17:50.31Harisbut no net.ipv4.ip_connections_max = 65504
17:50.43maligorconntrack is the nat system
17:50.44eecchoNyle, i need kopete to save history... kde is silent, will try the rest two, thanks
17:50.46Harishow do I define max connections limit under /proc for ipv4
17:51.01Nyleeeccho: be patient
17:51.04themilleeccho: Settings -> Configure plugins
17:51.09Hariscifs shares are not getting mounted out of the box as well
17:51.14HarisI installed smbclient but that didn't help either
17:51.16Nylethemill: I don't know what tab he wants
17:51.18HarisI was surprised o_O
17:51.23maligorHaris, I could be a bit off here, but it's probably linked to the number of file descriptors
17:51.27wolsfile descriptors are already pretty unlimted. so are connections
17:51.36Harisfs.file-max = 102271
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17:51.49themillNyle: well if he's looking for chat history, that's where it is ;)
17:51.57eecchothemill, there's no 'configure plugins' in settings dialog, however...
17:52.04Nylewell it is, but I think he wanted to save it
17:52.11Hariswols: Cool! .. Is there a way I can debug why at times this box doesn't accept any more connections?
17:52.15Nylethemill: there is no option like that which I am aware of
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17:52.35Nyleeeccho: no
17:52.38themillI have it on my etch kopete...
17:52.39wolsHaris: you have to configure unlimited. NOT recompile the kernel for it
17:52.39maligorHaris, maybe the server program has a maximum
17:52.40Nyleeeccho: its the setting menu
17:52.46wolsHaris: but jsut remember yesterday. good day
17:52.48Nyleeeccho: menubar settings > configure plugins
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17:52.51HarisI'm not worried about FD, but I'm worried about number of possible connections that can be opened at one time
17:52.57Nyleeeccho: don't go to the kopete config dialog
17:53.05wolsHaris: everything is a fucking file
17:53.56Nyleeeccho: and I don't know how to save the history
17:54.09Nyleeeccho: I guess view history from menu and then copy/save
17:54.10Nylei dunno
17:54.30themillNyle: no Settings -> Configure plugins -> tick the "history" plugin. that's all
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17:55.00Nylewhat did i say>
17:55.01Nyle?
17:55.08Nyle12:50 <              Nyle> eeccho: menubar settings > configure plugins
17:55.13eecchoNyle, themill, thanks a lot... (i've incidentally hidden the menu, so stupid)
17:55.47themillnp
17:56.00themillNyle: the clock on your machine is so screwed :)
17:56.05Anonissimusafter building madwifi with m-a I get dependency problems, it asks me to solve it, I press yes, but if just happens again after that
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17:56.08Anonissimusany suggestions?
17:56.11Harisroute max size?
17:56.21Nyleitis
17:56.23Harisroute max delay is seconds?
17:56.24Nyle?
17:56.27wols!tell Anonissimus about errors
17:56.28Nylehm
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17:56.33Harisnet.ipv4.route.max_delay = 10
17:57.01maligorHaris, I could hazard a guess that that's for routing packages
17:57.06Nyleok
17:57.09Nyle12:57 <              Nyle> ok
17:57.12Nylebetter?
17:57.15themill:)
17:57.16Nylethanks I didn' teven realize
17:57.21peteriusdoes anyone not use the package management system?
17:57.32themillNyle: ntp is your friend
17:57.35HarisI have quagga on this box as well
17:57.39Nylepeterius: then there is no point in debian
17:57.44HarisToo bad it doesn't have hsrp :|
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17:57.57Nylethemill: specifically, ntpdate is your friend
17:58.08Nylegoin on a date with ntp
17:58.18peteriusNyle: its a simple distribution so its easier to customize
17:58.29Nylepeterius: what?
17:58.39Nylepeterius: you can't not use apt
17:58.42Harisdoesn't hdparm give output about hdd performance in table shape?
17:58.48peteriusNyle: if you don't want to automatically do everything, then... sigh I guess
17:58.57Anonissimuswols: madwifi-modules-2.6.22-33-686 as error
17:59.01Nyle!waytd peterius
17:59.04Nyle!wayttd peterius
17:59.05dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, peterius?
17:59.08peteriusNyle: I really hate the idea that there's this set of software that I have to install through the distribution/OS
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17:59.15Harisis there a way to check how many FD a process is taking?
17:59.22Haristaking = using
17:59.24Nylepeterius: so install from source
17:59.25maligorHaris, lsof
17:59.30peteriusNyle: I want to be able to download whatever software I want, compile it specifically for my system
17:59.33Nylepeterius: make your own debn package of it
17:59.40wolsAnonissimus: that is no error
17:59.46Nylepeterius: what is stopping you from doing that?
17:59.56Haris2008/03/05 22:53:06| Starting Squid Cache version 3.0.PRE5 for i486-pc-linux-gnu...
17:59.57Haris2008/03/05 22:53:06| With 1024 file descriptors available
18:00.01Harisit was 4096 some days ago
18:00.02Nyle"can't not"
18:00.02Hariso_O
18:00.02peteriusNyle: well the problem is that everything else uses the pkg management system so everything is built with that in mind
18:00.06NyleI have no idea what that means
18:00.10Nylewhat I'm trying to say it
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18:00.13Nyleyou don't HAVE to use apt
18:00.19wolspeterius: LFS
18:00.22Nyledownload source, build it
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18:00.25maligorHaris, bonnie++ might be a better disk test setup than hdparm, the hdparm numbers are not all that useful
18:00.28wols!lfs
18:00.28dpkgwell, lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about <linux from scratch>
18:00.37Nyle!linux from scratch
18:00.37dpkglinux from scratch is probably uber cool, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
18:00.42wolspeterius: linux from scratch is waht you want
18:00.45HarisI used bonnie
18:00.48themill!gentoosmite peterius
18:00.50Nylepeterius: go with gnetoo or something
18:00.55Nylelol
18:00.58Harisit told me my disk can read write faster than a 100 Mbps network
18:00.59NyleHAHAHAHAHA
18:01.02Kobazghentoo
18:01.04Kobazghetoo
18:01.04Nylethat is fucking awesome
18:01.16peteriusNyle: its not necessarily about running a few msec faster, its about not installing things through the distribution/OS
18:01.17Nylegentoosmite kicks ass
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18:01.25Nylepeterius: i know
18:01.33wolspeterius: I do you have a debian related question?
18:01.39Nylepeterius: like I said, you don't have to use apt.
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18:01.51maligorHaris, yes... 12MB/s harddrive is extremely slow by todays standards, so that's pretty typical
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18:02.00peteriusNyle: well the problem is I've gotten into trouble with gnome
18:02.15angermanwhat rights do I need to be allowed to chown/chgrp/chmod my own files ?
18:02.15Nyle!tell peterius -about ask
18:02.17peteriusNyle: I wasn' t paying attention and installed it on system-install and now its got all this wild stuff all ove rthe place
18:02.28wols!tell angerman about permissions
18:02.33Nyleangerman: /msg dpkg permissions
18:02.36Nyleargh
18:02.39wolspeterius: did you isntall it with apt?
18:02.44abrotmanangerman: chmod requires fewer permissions than chown
18:02.44peteriusyes
18:02.52wols!tell peterius about remove gnome
18:02.57Harismaligor: Well, this box only has 50 boxes behind it. That shouldn't be hard for a 12+ MB/s drive
18:02.58peteriusI'm just annoyed that's all, I need docbook xsl for gtk-doc for gtk-common
18:03.23peteriusI should probably just reinstall everything, I'm just wondering if anyone else ever gets annoyed with this stuff
18:03.34Nylepeterius: btw, package managers make insalling software and its dependencies easier
18:03.35maligorHaris, it functions as a router?
18:03.37RULONhi i have a problem when installing debian, once i boot and pass the loading bar, my monitor turns black and the leds starts to titilate (like when the monitor dont support the frquency) and thats what i get always... what this could be?
18:03.40wolspeterius: do you have a debian support question?
18:03.42peteriusNyle: yeah I know
18:03.43Nylethank god for binary distros
18:03.46Harismaligor: Yes, also as a router
18:04.00maligorso the problem is the routing or the serving?
18:04.03wolsRULON: which LEDs?
18:04.08peteriuswols: well I use debian but its not a specific question, no
18:04.11Harisits a squid box, nat/masq, router, cvs server, web server, mail server, all in one
18:04.19Harisprobably has more roles to it
18:04.20wolspeterius: it's off topic
18:04.27maligorHaris, how much memory does it have?
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18:04.40NyleRULON: its your xorg.conf doing something stupid, try alt+ctrl+backspace or alt+ctrl+f1
18:04.41RULONwols i mean the monitor lights, dunno how to translate it to english
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18:04.55Nylesee if you can get dumped to the console, maybe its a login manager w/ fucked up xorg.conf
18:04.59wolsRULON: debian installer is text based. use it. no graphics mode there
18:05.01RULONNyle im trying to INSTALL it.
18:05.02Nyleor wrong monitor settings
18:05.06NyleRULON: oh
18:05.12abrotmanRULON: are you using the graphic mode installer or text?
18:05.20RULONgraphic
18:05.20Haris1 GB
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18:05.23NyleRULON: its a text installer. gui installer might not work for ya
18:05.36RULONok
18:05.37NyleRULON: it refuses to show up on my lcd
18:05.37Harismodel name      : Pentium III (Coppermine)
18:05.39Nyle:)
18:05.39peteriuswols: where is the channel for people who are annoyed with how many needless dependencies are necessary for even small programs due to these programs being built within some consortium like gnome
18:05.42Hariscpu MHz         : 864.507
18:05.53maligoryeah, should be perfectly capable of those loads
18:05.54HarisMemTotal:      1036300 kB
18:05.57wolspeterius: no clue but not here. #defocus perhaps
18:06.03Nylepeterius: ##linux
18:06.04Maulkinpeterius: packagename?
18:06.21NyleMaulkin: gnome*
18:06.46Hariscpu frequency scaling too much work for a PIII processor?
18:07.05wolsI wouldn't use freq scaling on a server...
18:07.16MaulkinHaris: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/cpufreq/hardware.html
18:07.16maligorpeterius, so code-reuse is bad?
18:07.28maligorpeterius, and interoperability?
18:07.30MaulkinAnd on a server, just have it at max power.
18:07.52wolsAnonissimus: stop messaging people. /me puts Anonissimus on ignore
18:07.57angermanwols: hmm... well I thought if thw file had -rwx-... and I am the ower, I could change the owner of it.
18:08.01Maulkinwols: ?
18:08.18angermanwols: but it looks like I need to have some special rights to change the owner of the file.
18:08.21Nyleangerman: you can't change the owner of a file if your not root afaik
18:08.24wolsMaulkin: he messaged me out of the blue
18:08.28peteriusmaligor: well this is off topic but its not about code-reuse being bad, if there's different platforms, be it architecture, system library, support, interface, whatever, it means software has to be made for each platform, but linux, instead of having one platform, has dozens and even within debian there's essentially many platforms
18:08.29Maulkinah, ok
18:08.45Maulkinmaligor / peterius: Off to #defocus please.
18:08.45angermanNyle: so I need to be root to change the ownership of a file away from me? hmmm...
18:08.56Nyleangerman: afaik, yes
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18:09.00HarisHow do I increase the number of connections this box can open?
18:09.20MaulkinHaris: could you be more specific?
18:09.36angermanNyle: hmm... so I would need to use sudo. hmm...
18:09.52Nyleangerman: yes
18:10.09valdynHaris: for a specific program you mean?
18:10.11Nyleangerman: note: you CAN change the group perms of the file I think, only in groups you are in too
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18:10.21Harisvaldyn: cvs server, squid, nat/masq
18:10.22Nyleangerman: but not the user/ownership
18:10.28angermanhmm... okay
18:10.29NyleI think I'm correct in saying that
18:10.33HarisMaulkin: those type of apps
18:10.34valdynHaris: so overall or per program?
18:10.36Nylebut tb i am not sure
18:10.41Harisvaldyn: both
18:10.59Harisvaldyn: I would like to set the overall values and am going to manually rebuild squid with more FDs
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18:11.12valdynHaris: oh, big system...
18:11.14NyleI need to rebuilt my squid
18:11.19Nyledamn box is now lenny
18:11.24HarisI have so far not been able to find how much FDs squid uses, other than lsod|grep <pid of squid>|wc -l
18:11.26MaulkinHaris: erm... you mean network connections?
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18:11.32HarisMaulkin: Yes
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18:12.04valdynHaris: /proc/sys/fs/file-max, see /etc/sysctl.conf too
18:12.09HarisI don't know why, but initial connection to cvs, ftp is slow on LAN. after connection, transfers are lightening fast
18:12.24HarisI doubled the value in /proc/sys/fs/file-max
18:12.31morckhi
18:12.35eecchoHaris, it might be checking vs ident
18:12.37valdynHaris: and?
18:12.41MaulkinHaris: that's possibly due to ident, or DNS
18:12.44morckHaris Witolinsch
18:12.46Haris<PROTECTED>
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18:12.54HarisMaulkin: yep
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18:13.01valdynHaris: max open files is a hard limit, youll get errrors, not slowdowns when its hit
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18:13.11morckpoor valdyn
18:13.14valdynHaris: or not just slowdowns
18:13.17HarisMaulkin: I do have 3 boxes for which I'm dropping smtp traffic and obviously they use dns before it
18:13.23ZtaAnyone know of a tool to edit the attributes of a PDF file: Title, Creator, Producer, etc..
18:13.26valdynmorck: why?
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18:13.32Harisvaldyn: I see
18:13.43morckdo you admit you're poor, valdyn?
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18:13.49valdynmorck: sure
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18:14.17morckvery good
18:14.41HarisMar  5 22:53:05 sglhrcvs squid[5137]: WARNING: Closing client 172.16.0.10 connection due to lifetime timeout
18:14.41HarisMar  5 22:53:05 sglhrcvs squid[5137]: ^Ihttp://iloveeverybody.kz/login.php
18:14.57HarisI need to tune cache_lifetime value as well
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18:15.11valdynHaris: why?
18:15.13Haristhat's also the box that sends alot of spam
18:15.31morckwhy, Haris
18:15.33Harisvaldyn: I get alot of these messages in squid log, closing connections because of life time timeout
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18:15.44valdynHaris: sure, but whats the problem with that?
18:15.45morckwhy, Haris
18:15.52HarisI have at least 50-100 lines in log each day
18:15.59valdynHaris: so?
18:16.00morckwhy, Haris
18:16.05Harisvaldyn: It occupies FD needlessly?
18:16.25unixHi all, i'm having some trouble with compiz in Debian Etch. It doesn't works
18:16.31valdynHaris: closing the connection because of timeout is actuallying freeing fd
18:16.37Harissquid3 on etch is only built with 4096 afaik and on its last restart I saw it saying it has only 1024 FDs
18:16.37morckpoor Haris
18:16.39wolswhen will someone tell Haris about ulimit and limits.conf?
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18:16.50unixI have edited the xorg.conf to make it work but it still doesn't work
18:16.57morckHaris Witolinsch
18:16.57Hariswols: isn't ulimit for per user per session?
18:17.05Hariswitolinsch?
18:17.26Harisdon't have limits.conf
18:17.27wolsmorck: what videocard and what driver?
18:17.28Harisin /etc
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18:17.32Hariso_O
18:17.39wolsHaris: don't lie
18:17.53wolsit is under /etc
18:17.56unixNoe, the only thing it does is crash the session and force me to make control+alt+backspace to restart the X
18:17.58valdynHaris: i have no idea what your actual issue is, because those warnings are just warnings, they dont indicate an actual issue
18:17.59Hariswell, its not
18:18.02eeccho/etc/security/limits.conf
18:18.04HarisI just checked
18:18.07Harisaha!
18:18.17Harisyes, its under /etc/security
18:18.22eecchoanyway, it's actually _under_ /etc ;)
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18:18.36themill!cluebat Haris
18:18.38morckhttp://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=5591
18:18.50wolsthemill: don't wear out that bat!
18:18.56themillpoor bat
18:19.29Hariseeccho: Its under /etc in redhat, can't find it in etch r2 :(
18:19.44morckHarijs Vitolinsh
18:19.52eecchoHaris, find /etc -name limits.conf ;)
18:19.56Maulkinmorck: What>?
18:20.02morckSelected by Montreal Canadiens round 9 #188 overall 1988 NHL Entry Draft
18:20.07themillHaris: it's in libpam-modules
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18:20.36Maulkinmorck: What does this have to do with Debian?
18:20.41morckpoor Maulkin
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18:21.33Nyleeh well I guess he isn't poor ;)
18:21.34odderwhoa
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18:25.24themillAnd at last, peace and tranquility returns to the channel...
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18:25.33lostaghello
18:25.58themilldpkg: greet lostag
18:25.58dpkgGr33tz, lostag
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18:31.55taime1i just upgraded my system.. i am having just one problem... when i restart x (either by logging out or ctrl+alt+backspace), then log back in, my panel whines about not being able to load all my applets such as the weather and mixer applet. what can i do to solve this problem?
18:32.39abrotmantake them all out of your DE config? see if it goes away, then re-add until it breaks again
18:33.15taime1well, it asked me if i wanted to delete them.. so i said yes.. then tried to readd them.. and got the same message
18:33.22chop1taime1: And then file a bug against the offending applet
18:33.40taime1its all my applets.. it cant be the applets..
18:34.01taime1they work just fine when i restart the computer.. its only when i restartx
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18:34.12chop1taime1: It definitely sounds like a bug in something
18:34.18taime1yeah
18:34.48taime1is there a gnome-panel configuration file somewhere that i can just delete?
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18:35.51epsilonguess somewhere in .gnome* or .gconf*
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18:36.13SachaSquestion: should cron inside a chroot work?
18:36.44taime1i didnt check .gconf ... ill check it right quick
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18:42.50wolsSachaS: if you set it up correctly, of course
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18:43.22VoolooI run this wget command: wget -r -l 100 -w 5 http://www.site.com/sitemap/ -o wgetlog but the logs says it appends index.html to all directories like /sitemap/index.html ... how do I avoid this?
18:44.02SachaSwols: thanks. i did create a chroot with etch. mounted dev and proc. started cron inside chroot but I do not see it working.
18:44.15wolsVooloo: you can't. if you get http://host.com/  you usually get a index.html or whatever the server deems necessary
18:44.29wols!tell SachaS about doesn't work
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18:44.53SachaS:-)
18:45.03Vooloowols: hmm okay..
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18:45.31wolsVooloo: just try it on your url with a normal browser
18:45.40fedyaany ideas why some line drawing characters from aptitude show up as lqqqqk? ssh is sending utf-8 i've set my term to utf-8 as well, it's still showing a few line chars oddly
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18:45.51A-KOhmm, why does dhclient3 listen on port 68? that's kind of weird....
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18:46.38\amethystA-KO:  w
18:46.45\amethystA-KO:  that's how DHCP works
18:46.48Vooloowols: index.html doesnt work when I use my browser because I use mod_rewrite.. but when it crawls it seems to work
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18:46.53A-KOfor a client to listen on port 68?
18:46.59A-KOnever have seen that before..
18:47.03\amethystA-KO:  yes, so it can receive broadcasts from the server
18:47.06NekoKunhow to change the LANG/LANGUAGE from 'locale'?
18:47.23wolsVooloo: then I dunno. sorry
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18:47.31\amethystNekoKun:  edit /etc/default/locale
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18:48.05A-KOnever seen that before \amethyst...
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18:48.45gigocat /proc/filesystems | grep nfs gives no output. so I can't do an NFS mount?
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18:49.11\amethystA-KO:  when the client wants to talk to the server, it sends a packet with source port 68 and destination port 67.  When the server wants to talk to the client, it sends a packet with source port 67 and destination port 68
18:49.23SachaSwols: the cron job from a crontab from a chroot should obviously run within the chroot
18:49.33\amethystgigo:  that means the nfs modules aren't loaded
18:49.44gigo\amethyst: how can I load it?
18:49.44wolsSachaS: why not just create the crhoot when the cronjob runs?
18:49.48\amethystgigo:   modprobe nfs
18:50.13MolePrinceHowdy, has anyone here done any work with serial LCD/LED displays in a Linux by chance?
18:50.33wolsMolePrince: /msg dpkg anyone
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18:50.50\amethystA-KO:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHCP#Technical_details  has more information
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18:51.56\amethystgigo:  the module should get loaded automatically when you try to do an NFS mount, though
18:52.28A-KO\amethyst: I understand what port dhcp uses but why is the client binding to the port? lol.
18:54.34\amethystA-KO:  because the server sends out broadcasts to 255.255.255.255:68 in order to reach all DHCP clients
18:54.57\amethystA-KO:  if the client doesn't have the port bound, it has no way of receiving those broadcasts
18:55.30ignuAny help getting Sound Juicer to extract to mp3? ... I downloaded the source tar from: http://lame.sourceforge.net/download/download.html, extracted it 'tar -xvzf lame-3.97.tar.gz', compiled and installed it './configure && make && make install' and a “lame†executable is in my /usr/local/bin/ directory
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18:56.09ignuI must not be telling sound juicer how to find and use it correctly
18:56.24azeemignu: you need the gstreamer lame plugin
18:56.53azeemmaybe it's available from debian multimedia
18:56.55azeem!dmm
18:56.55dpkgsomebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
18:57.36ignuthx azeem :-)
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18:58.46bombshockAnyone know what needs to be done in etch to fix the following: [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c DAV/2 configured -- resuming normal operations
18:58.55craigevilignu: gstreamer0.10-lame - GStreamer lame plugin
18:58.58wolsSachaS: don't msg people unasked. put on /ignore
18:59.01ignuazeem: I guess I need to figure out how to undo what I did
18:59.10ignuthx craigevil
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18:59.56ignutrouble is, I don't know the best way to undo what i did ... any suggestions?
19:00.17craigevilnever used Sound Juicer but soundkonverter will encode to mp3
19:00.50valdynbombshock: fix WHAT? that ssl is configured?
19:01.03SachaSi have a cron daemon running in the main system. when i run crontab -l within a chroot ... the crond on the main system logs it (enabled cron logging in /etc/syslog.conf)
19:01.04ignuI'm guessing soundkonverter is KDE (judging by the "k") ... I'm on an old slow laptop not condusive to KDE
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19:02.15bombshockvaldyn: well dunno thats the only error i get in /var/log/apache/error.* concerning apache2 and im unable to conect localy or externaly. And its nothing to do with the port or with the router; thats been double checked
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19:02.35valdynbombshock: its a [notice], not an error
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19:03.27bombshockvaldyn: doh! then i dont get why it wont work....
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19:03.38\amethystbombshock:   does  netstat -plnt  show httpd listening on the addresses you expect it to be listening on?
19:03.38wolsbombshock: what happens if you do connect? pastebin please
19:03.52bombshockok sec for both
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19:04.45wolsyes, pastebin the netstat output too
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19:05.27bombshock\amethyst: no it does not show it thry netstat. because its routed thru 127.0.0.1 (nmap)
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19:05.34bombshockok sec wols
19:05.38\amethysthuh?
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19:05.51\amethystwhat do you mean 'routed through 127.0.0.1 (nmap)'?
19:05.51wolsif it doesn't show in netstat it'S not listening and it IS the port
19:06.03dv_hello
19:06.10eecchohi
19:06.12\amethystif it's listening on 127.0.0.1 then it should still show up in netstat
19:06.21dv_I wanted to know if somebody noticed the opengl bug in kaffeine
19:07.12craigevilwhat opengl bug and in what version of kaffeine?
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19:07.31wols!tell dv_ about BTS
19:07.35dv_its been there for ages
19:07.40bombshock\amethyst, wols: http://pastebin.com/m7c1d3edf
19:07.44dv_nobody ever fixed it
19:07.58eecchodv_, any detail?
19:08.03dv_kaffeine just does not accept the opengl output
19:08.09dv_kaffeine-xine to be exact
19:08.13\amethystbombshock:  okay, so it's listening on port 80
19:08.18dv_just try to use opengl output - it fails.
19:08.19bombshockaye
19:08.24dv_using gxine, however, works well.
19:08.41wolsbombshock: you didn't install apache2-ssl right?
19:08.44dv_but opengl output is by far the best option, so its really bad to see it broken
19:08.59bombshockwolfs, let me check
19:09.04wolshmm.. maybe that doesn't exist anymore
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19:09.19wolsbombshock: anyways, your server doesn't listen on port 443 so it can never ever work for https
19:09.28\amethystbombshock:   so what happens when you connect to  http://127.0.0.1/ ?
19:09.49eecchodv_, try to examine ~/.xsession-errors when you face the problem again. it should report
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19:10.54bombshock\amethyst: atm im fixing this via ssh but i get this message when using lynx: You don't have permission to access / on this server.
19:11.13click170Is checkinstall the proper way to install source as a .deb to assist with removal?
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19:11.30bombshockwols: so port 443 should be added to the conf file and in the router?
19:11.32dv_there is no report at all
19:11.40dv_nothing happens if I choose opengl
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19:12.00wolsbombshock: dunno how apache2 handles ssl. but it needs to listen on 443. just adding it in the config file proably won't help
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19:12.25wolsbombshock: mod_ssl mut be loaded
19:12.35wolsa2enmod mod_ssl  or a2enmod ssl
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19:14.54bombshockwols: its already loaded
19:14.56\amethystthen you would add Listen 443  to  ports.conf   and add a new <VirtualHost host.name.com:443>  containing SSLEngine On
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19:15.44\amethystthe VirtualHost configuration would probably go in a new file /etc/apache2/sites-available/ ; then you would a2ensite to enable ti
19:15.48\amethysts/ti$/it/
19:17.03\amethystnote that, for SSL to work properly, the machine must know its own host name---you'd have a different virtualhost with a different certificate for each hostname
19:17.24eecchodifferent ip aswell
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19:17.33\amethystyeah
19:17.42bombshock\amethyst: where is the ports.conf located?
19:17.46taime1what file controls the background color as you are logging in?
19:17.56\amethystbombshock:  /etc/apache2/
19:18.10eecchotaime1, it depends on a desktop manager you use
19:18.15taime1i tried changing the desktop backgrond color and the login window background color... but neither worked
19:18.19taime1gnome
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19:18.52amphitaime1: I believe nautilus controls bg image on gnome
19:19.00krummhow can i make btlaunchmanycurses respect --minport and --maxport of my choice? it doesn't parse the command line
19:19.17taime1okay.. so its n some nautilus config file then i guess?
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19:19.43bombshock\amethyst: the v]VirtualHost should be contained in which file?
19:20.00amphitaime1: I would imagine it has a gui configurator somewhere
19:20.11krummthat's debian etch, the bittorrent package
19:20.35\amethystbombshock:  The way I usually do it is to put each virtualhost in its own file in /etc/apache2/sites-available
19:21.00akuwamarithe organization who defined 4 freedoms of Free Software ?
19:21.02\amethystbombshock:  for example  /etc/apache2/sites-available/bombshock.com-ssl
19:21.07akuwamariFSF ?
19:21.27eecchoakuwamari, stallman, but he's a person
19:21.55\amethystbombshock:  then you would use  a2ensite bombshock.com-ssl   and reload apache to enable that virtualhost
19:22.13sordithRichard Stallman is not only a person, he is the Saint of the Curch of Emacs
19:22.24sordiths/Curch/Church/
19:22.34zeliphow can i copy a bin image to a usb drive?.. (ext2 filesystem) while on windows ..
19:22.35akuwamariand FSF
19:22.36zelip:S
19:22.39sordith:D
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19:23.00bombshock\amethyst: hmmm that example bombshock.com-ssl my domaine or what exactly? im a law student and this ist starting to get out of my computer knowledge!
19:23.20\amethystbombshock:  it's just a filename, it can be whatever you want
19:23.26sordithzelip: you need to ask some windows related help channel for a tool that can read EXT2/EXT3 filesystems
19:23.39zelip:S.. mm ok
19:23.42zelipthanks
19:23.45\amethysterr
19:23.53sordithzelip: either that or you could run an emulation layer on your windows that gives you linux functionality
19:23.56bombshock\amethyst: and the virtualhost
19:24.05\amethystwhy would you need to be able to read an ext2/ext3 filesystem just to dd it onto a usb stick?
19:24.22eecchozelip, i wouldn't let windows and it's drivers to touch extX partitions, though...
19:24.28zelipthat-s true
19:24.32elenriltruecrypt isn't in repos?
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19:24.40sordith\amethyst: because windows cant read the data magically, somehow you need to access the data which is sitting on the EXT2 filesystem
19:24.46zelipis for the installation cds of linux
19:24.59\amethystsordith:  err, the goal was to copy an ext2 image onto a raw disk
19:25.04zelipi have them but no cdrs onto where to burn them
19:25.05moshiizelip: you need a raw write tool
19:25.06\amethystsordith:  or maybe I misunderstood
19:25.12sordithor maybe i misunderstood
19:25.32sordithzelip: can you clarify what you try to do?
19:25.44moshiizelip: this isnt the right place to ask if such a thing exists for windows..
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19:26.39moshiisordith: I think he/she has an image of a ext2/3 fs with .bin shoved on the end of the filename.. and he/she wants to put that onto a usb drive
19:26.39sordithzelip: did you download a *.bin file on your windows system and try to use that file to make an USB thingie boot the content of that *.bin image?
19:27.10\amethystis rawrite.exe still around?  And does it support USB storage devices?
19:27.15eth01.
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19:27.41sordithno i dont thing rawrite.exe can handle *.bin and USB
19:27.46sordiths/thing/think/
19:27.49waspiuscan anyone tell me what this means ?insmod: error inserting './quickcam.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
19:27.56moshii\amethyst: don't think it does usb device and I don't think it'd work on a modern windows because of all the abstraction away from the hardware
19:28.30dcnoyeis there a default cron job to do a aptitude update & aptitude dist-upgrade nightly ?
19:28.31moshiiwaspius: there is an unknown symbol.. the module doesn't fit the kernel, like a puzzle piece from a different puzzle
19:28.31sordiththe *.bin might be a nero format, or am i confusing something, again?
19:28.42moshiidcnoye: Bad Idea (TM)
19:28.46\amethystsordith:  I was thinking .bin was just a raw image
19:28.49\amethystaha
19:28.51\amethysthttp://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB
19:28.53dcnoyemoshii: Y ?
19:28.56waspiusmoshii: iok thank you
19:28.58dcnoyeeven on etch ?
19:29.09\amethystmentions "WinRaWrite" and "dd for windows", and provides links
19:29.09dcnoyemoshii: even on etch ?
19:29.11gonzaloaf_workofftopic: where are written the settings that are modified in about:config of iceweasel? is there a way to avoid user modify it?
19:29.12moshiidcnoye: you'll break stuff
19:29.30sordith\amethyst: you are right
19:29.32moshiidcnoye: yes, use cron-apt to update and grub packages, but upgrade manually
19:29.50sordithlong ago that i touched other formats than *.iso
19:30.13moshiisordith: nero image are iso's too
19:30.32sordithmoshii: you can mount them like an ISO without converting?
19:30.32moshiisordith: so are all the others, they just have different meta shit wrapped around them
19:30.41moshiisordith: see above
19:30.41sordithinteresting
19:31.26\amethystdepending on what the meta stuff is, you might even be able to mount them by specifying an offset
19:31.32moshiisordith: and yes, many of these funny image types can be mounted
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19:32.55sordithbut you cant resize the container format e.g. to add data, can you?
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19:33.42JorophoseErm, I'm not sure if I should be asking here, but since ubuntu is based off of debian, is there any way I can upgrade a copy of 6.06 to debian etch?
19:33.43moshiisordith: you can add data to an existing iso9660 fs with the right tools..
19:34.10moshiiJorophose: yes, you download a debian disk and install it.
19:34.16sordithmoshii: do you know by hand names of such tools?
19:34.23sordiths/by hand/by chance/
19:34.27JorophoseMoshii: I meant without a disc. ;P
19:34.31moshiisordith: mkisofs
19:34.52sordithmkisofs can do that? nice!
19:34.55moshiiJorophose: pxe netinstall, debootstrap install
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19:35.00moshiisordith: I think so
19:35.49JorophoseMoshii: I remember somebody saying that you can just type this in:
19:35.49Jorophosesudo echo "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free" >/etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
19:35.49Jorophoseand it would upgrade your install to debian etch...
19:36.08\amethystJorophose:  except the sudo part won't work
19:36.09moshiiJorophose: that somebody is an idiot
19:36.11waspiusmoshii: i did aptitude install qc-usb-sources.Do i need to compile it or not?
19:36.33moshiiwaspius: how the fuck should I know
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19:36.57moshiiwaspius: -source might be the clue?
19:37.02waspiusmoshii: :) well i mean if it is a source could it be downloaded from aptitude?
19:37.09\amethystwaspius:   run  m-a a-i qc-usb   maybe
19:37.20moshiiwaspius: you probably want module assistant
19:37.26Jorophose\amethyst: I'm pretty sure you'd need the sudo part if you're going from xubuntu to debian
19:37.26Jorophosemoshii: would it just break the packages or something?
19:37.39\amethystJorophose:  the sudo part *doesn't work* is what I'm saying
19:37.48waspiusmoshii: correct..thank u
19:37.55moshiiJorophose: uh, just install debian
19:37.58\amethystJorophose:   sudo echo foo > /etc/file   the file is opened for writing *before* sudo is executed
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19:38.16\amethystJorophose:  but it needs to be opened as root, otherwise you can't overwrite it
19:38.20moshiiJorophose: if you do silly things like that you'll be back in here later complaining about how debian is crap blah blah
19:38.46\amethystJorophose:  so you'd need sudo sh -c 'echo "deb blah blah" > /etc/file'
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19:39.09moshiiJorophose: if you don't want to burn a cd-r do a debootstrap takeover install using your swap partition or something
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19:39.24JorophoseHmm, can debian
19:39.36Jorophose*debian's installer boot off a zip drive?...
19:39.42\amethystJorophose:  also, as moshii says, just changing your sources.list and updating/upgrading won't work
19:39.56JorophoseI'll just go get a CDR and burn though, more useful to have a CD that I can use on other systems too.
19:39.57moshiiJorophose: It's more about if your bios can really
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19:40.33smacnayHow does one limit ssh connections to key-based only?
19:40.46smacnayWhat changes need to made in the /etc/ssh/ssh_config file?
19:41.05\amethystsmacnay:  wrong file, you want  /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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19:42.42DawnLightwhat is an ITP?
19:42.45moshiismacnay: PasswordAuthentication and ChallengeResponseAuthentication are the options you need I think
19:42.53moshiiDawnLight: intention to package iirc
19:42.57\amethystsmacnay:  what moshii said, and also  UsePAM
19:43.13\amethystsmacnay:  you probably want all three of those set to "no"
19:43.33DawnLightthanks
19:43.45moshii\amethyst: mmm isn't pam used for some other things.. not just authentication?
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19:44.57kimusan^_Hi, how do I force removal of a package that has previously failed during install.
19:45.03kimusan^_I need to completely remove it
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19:45.18\amethystmoshii:  yes, it it is
19:45.48\amethystmoshii:  I guess the alternative would be to leave it on and muck with /etc/pam.d/sshd
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19:47.12moshiikimusan^_: aptitude remove <package> doesn't work?
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19:47.52kimusan^_no :-(
19:48.20kimusan^_invoke-rc.d: initscript mailscanner, action "stop" failed.
19:48.29dkrkimusan^_: fix the install, then remove it?
19:48.37kimusan^_same error when installing
19:48.38moshiiHow does knetworkmanager work with wifi stuff? I've turned wireless on, but I can't actually find where I'm meant to select the network etc :/
19:49.03smacnayamee2k, thanks
19:49.10moshiikimusan^_: try starting it and then doing the removal
19:49.24kimusan^_cant start it..its broken :-)
19:49.27kimusan^_thats the problem
19:49.31moshiikimusan^_: and then file a bug about it having broken package scripts
19:49.45kimusan^_the error exists even if I start it
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19:50.18moshiikimusan^_: check your logs and find out why it's failing to start
19:50.49harkmoshii: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
19:50.51moshiikimusan^_: I've had packages like that in the past, some removal scripts don't check that the thing is running before they attempt to stop it and fail
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19:51.16xingu!cake
19:51.16dpkgcake is, like, a lie
19:51.51jelly-home!strange loop
19:52.03kimusan^_moshii: this is the problem I have with mailscanner. same error: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.rc/browse_thread/thread/557bff64d3cbbf52/f36ceca8f195d9d3
19:52.04moshiihark: I've read that, the device isn't in the interfaces file.. but network manager doesn't seem to be "managing" it
19:52.08chop1xingu: That's not what the factoid should say...
19:52.34smacnay<PROTECTED>
19:52.41jelly-homechops: the previous definition was a lie, obviously
19:52.46smacnaymoshii, thanks
19:53.28chopsjelly-home: The factoid should be "The cake is a lie."  "cake is, like, a lie" isn't funny enough.
19:53.46xinguoh I dunno, a valspeak version works for me :)
19:53.55jelly-homedpkg, no, cake is <reply>The cake is a lie.
19:54.16dpkgjelly-home: okay
19:54.16\amethystsmacnay:  ah, I think I found something
19:54.19xinguI so want one of those shirts
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19:54.36\amethystsmacnay:  it seems the behaviour of UsePAM and PasswordAuthentication has changed
19:54.38harkmoshii: well, that's about it.. the netdev group and the interfaces thing
19:54.38chops!cake
19:54.39dpkgThe cake is a lie.
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19:54.50chops!beer jelly-home
19:54.55kimusan^_any way to trick apt to think that a package has been uninstalled?
19:55.07efaistoshmmm ... I installed a debian system with an amd64 kernel .... Can i install a i686 kernel or must I reinstall everything ?
19:55.18tarzeauefaistos: looks like a reinstall
19:55.27chopsefaistos: Is your userspace i386, or amd64?
19:55.28jelly-homeI prefer the pervious version :-|
19:55.38zamuroefaistos: What architecture you have?
19:55.46\amethystsmacnay:  so what moshii told you should be enough with any 4.x openssh.... since about 3.9, UsePAM respects the PasswordAuthentication and ChallengeResponseAuthentication settings
19:55.54efaistoschops: think amd 64 :(
19:55.59chopsjelly-home: Have you played Portal?
19:56.06\amethystsmacnay:  so you only need to turn those two off, and *should* be able to leave on UsePAM  safely
19:56.09chopsefaistos: You'll have to reinstall to get an i386 system if so :-(
19:56.16amphiefaistos: what's wrong with amd64?
19:56.33jelly-homechops: no, but the literal quote is not really what a bot would answer
19:56.56efaistosneed to do some specific stuff on i386
19:57.06zamuroYou can use i386 packages on a amd64 system...
19:57.16jelly-homezamuro: orly?
19:57.17chopsefaistos: What specific stuff?
19:57.18zamuroif you use linux32 or ia32
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19:57.58zamurojelly-home: Ehm... I know it's obvious... But efaistos does not seem to know...
19:58.16jelly-homezamuro: it's not obvious to me either!
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19:58.30zamuro*sighs*
19:58.40chopsjelly-home: But... that's the only version that's really funny.  It's like rephrasing classic movie quotes; it sounds off even if the rephrase is more correct.
19:58.46akuwamarii need to unrar a file
19:58.50akuwamariwhat app is there?
19:58.54chopsakuwamari: unrar
19:58.57efaistoschops: pkg for a perl module
19:59.06chopsefaistos: What package?
19:59.26smacnayakuwamari, are 'rar'
19:59.47jelly-homechops: frankly, my dear, I don't really give a damn.
19:59.56chopsjelly-home: Precisely :-)
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20:00.04jelly-home!win chops
20:00.05dpkgCongratulations, chops! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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20:00.29akuwamarisudo apt-get install rar
20:00.33akuwamari?  not found
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20:00.40taime1okay.. i have edited gdm.conf and still cannot get it to change the theme that it usees... what am i doing wrong?
20:00.49jelly-homezamuro: in some other distros, you really can install i386 packages next to the amd64 ones.
20:00.58akuwamarisudo apt-get install unrar  ??? neither
20:00.59jelly-homezamuro: I don't think that is possible in debian
20:01.02chopsakuwamari: Do you have non-free sources?
20:01.12akuwamarino
20:01.23zamurojelly-home: Well... I've tried a couple and seem to work ok.
20:01.35akuwamaridon want to use non-free
20:01.35chopsakuwamari: unrar-free then
20:01.50chopsakuwamari: You know, you can use apt-cache search just as easily as asking in #debian and having me do it for you :-)
20:02.00akuwamariok
20:02.23jelly-homezamuro: nice
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20:06.16akuwamariFailed, why?
20:07.25moshiiakuwamari: learn to use apt-cache
20:07.42akuwamarino
20:07.49akuwamarialready install unrar-free
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20:07.56akuwamaribut the problem is to unrar
20:08.10moshiiakuwamari: if it's a newer rar file unrar-free may not work
20:08.25akuwamarihummm, little detail
20:08.33akuwamarithen? is there any other tool?
20:08.42moshiiakuwamari: the non-free unrar or rar
20:09.21bizI need to gracefully shutdown an ssh-connection. Whats the correct signal to send to the ssh process using kill?
20:09.50biz(This is OpenSSH 4...)
20:10.03dkrbiz: int, the default.albeit not truly graceful
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20:10.18eecchobiz, to a remote process or to an opened ssh session?
20:10.45bizTo a local ssh process. dkr, TERM is default?
20:10.46dkrif you are using the ssh session you can do ~.
20:10.58moshiikde packaging is getting very sloppy recently :/
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20:11.20akuwamaribad, bad
20:11.24bizdkr: The ssh process has no stdin
20:11.31dkrbiz: yeah, that's what meant.time for some caffeine
20:12.08chopsmoshii: What package?  What's the issue?
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20:12.47moshiichops: latest kmail has undefined symbols.. probably bad depends somewhere
20:12.57chopsmoshii: Filed a bug?
20:13.02abrotmanmoshii: it's KDE stuff?
20:13.06moshiichops: lots of the kde4 packages overwrote files in each other etc etc
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20:13.23moshiichops: you'd think they'd at least install these packages before uploading them
20:13.26abrotmanmoshii: those are experimental packages .. you don't get to whine
20:13.57chopsmoshii: kde4?
20:13.58moshiiabrotman: experimental or not, you'd have thought they'd at least install them on their own machines ;)
20:14.04chops!experimentalsmite moshii
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20:14.07PiousMinionDoes anyone know if there is a support channel for nas here, or anywhere else?
20:14.08chopsHm
20:14.16chops!experimental
20:14.16dpkgexperimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
20:14.17abrotmanmoshii: if you don't like it .. don't freaking use stuff from experimental ..
20:14.35beobadoes anyone know of a way to ask apt how much space a given package is using on the filesystem?
20:14.35chopsmoshii: That said, filing bugs would be helpful
20:14.36abrotmanPiousMinion: probably depends what kind of support you want
20:14.48beobaex: finding out that package foo-1.5 uses 20MB when installed
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20:15.02beoba(not necessarily including dependencies)
20:15.03chopsmoshii: That's why they get uploaded to experiemental.  "Probably broken but here's where the development of them is proceeding"...
20:15.22PiousMinionabrotman: The kind that helps me resolve "Fatal server error: Cannot establish listening socket". :P
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20:15.52PiousMinionabrotman: I've been searching for well over an hour on a 'howto', but no luck.
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20:16.00chopsPiousMinion: I have a NAS setup here and do not object to giving support.  But you'll have to describe your setup and your exact problem in order for people to help...
20:16.03chops!ask
20:16.03dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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20:16.43Trampbeoba: apt-cache show <package> | grep Installed-Size ?
20:16.57PiousMinionchops: I was just making sure I wasn't too offtopic as this isn't a debian specific question.  I'll try to explain in detail..  :)
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20:18.27beobaTramp: what units is Installed-Size? mb/kb/b?
20:18.46Trampbeoba: I'd guess kB
20:18.52PiousMinionI have 2 debian boxes and would like to play all audio from 1 box and have it output to the speakers on the other box.  Everything I read says to use 'nasd -aa' to start the server, but it fails after a moment complaining that it can't establish a listening socket. I really have more questions than info.
20:19.09moshiichops: sorry, wifi died, latest kde3 packages are also sloppy,.. library depends not updated properly
20:19.13beobaTramp: yeah looks about right
20:19.14chopsPiousMinion: Well, if it's a Debian system you have a good chance of getting help.  If not then possibly not...
20:19.15wolsPiousMinion: what port does it use?
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20:19.28chopsmoshii: Perhaps for 'sloppy' you should write 'unstable'... and file bugs :-)
20:19.29PiousMinionwols: 8000 by default I believe.
20:19.38wolsPiousMinion: anything in logs?
20:19.58wolsa "debug" or "verbose" option? not much info to go on with there
20:20.06PiousMinionchops: I'm starting with debian then going from there. :)
20:20.12moshiichops: Nah, I mean sloppy as in "built and uploaded", missing important middle stage "tested"
20:20.15chopsmoshii: Things being broken from time to time is nothing new.  Welcome to Debian.  Criticizing the people who _are_ working on the packages isn't a good route to any good location.  Helping is a much better path to success.
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20:20.22PiousMinionwols: I don't see where logs would be kept for this.
20:20.33abrotmanPiousMinion: mpd ?
20:20.51PiousMinionabrotman: I have no clue what mpd is.
20:20.51chopsPiousMinion: What port is it trying to open?  You might have to be root if it's <= 1024.  Also, you can run it under strace to get more details on what might be going wrong.
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20:21.00abrotman!info mpd etch
20:21.06dpkgmpd: (Music Player Daemon), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.12.1-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 392 kB
20:21.13DavidDistroOne question, if I burn the Debian netinstall image to a DVD. WIll it work? I ask because I only have DVD's left and a netinstall is what I want
20:21.33abrotmanDavidDistro: i believe so .. horrible waste though
20:21.40wolsDavidDistro: yes
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20:21.51moshii*sigh* I submit plently of bug reports,.. doesn't matter how many you submit if the maint isn't interested in shipping stuff that actually work
20:21.54DavidDistroI know I know, abrotman.
20:22.09PiousMinionchops: All docs I've read says it uses port 8000+n. So I'm assuming it's 8000 unless there is some debian specific change.
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20:22.19DavidDistroAlright, thanks
20:22.24arooniok so i installed both libopenssl-ruby1.8 and libopenssl-ruby ... and yet i still get: usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-2.0.2/lib/initializer.rb:159:in `require_frameworks':RuntimeError: no such file to load -- openssl
20:22.31chopsmoshii: Have you submitted reports for the broken things you've mentioned in this channel?  I generally get good response to my bug reports unless it's an upstream issue.
20:22.32arooniand openssl is already installed too
20:22.46chopsmoshii: kde4 is certainly getting a ton of active development right now
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20:23.09chopsPiousMinion: Is that port being used already?  ('netstat -nlp')
20:23.25\amethystmoshii:  which packag is it that has the wrong library dependencies?
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20:24.16PiousMinionchops: strange. It is in use as nasd is already running. lol   strange.
20:24.31chopsPiousMinion: Often installing daemons on Debian will start the daemon as well
20:24.34moshiichops: going to in a moment.. a lot of the mess in the kde4 packages isn't kde fault but the maint not checking their packages after they build them. Getting the packaging together enough to get the svn code to build into them was a nightmare
20:24.45chopsPiousMinion: Since there's not a lot of point in installing the daemon and then not having it running :-)
20:25.07chopsmoshii: What do you mean, get the svn code to build into them?
20:25.17moshii\amethyst: kmail 3.9.5 needs some symbol from a library/library version it's not depending on.
20:25.27PiousMinionchops:  this is true. hehe   Now I need to figure out how to play 'all' audio from 1 box to this one.
20:25.38abrotmanmpd ?
20:25.42\amethystmoshii:  3.5.9 you mean?
20:25.44moshiichops: upgrade the packages basically
20:25.57moshii\amethyst: yeah, sorry
20:26.05PiousMinionabrotman: I glanced at that. Does that run with nas or instead of?
20:26.18chopsmoshii: So you're modifying the code in the packages and recompiling them?
20:26.29\amethystmoshii:   what symbol is missing?
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20:27.13moshii\amethyst: I'll have to some stringi thing. I just updated everything to 3.5.9 and it went away..
20:27.53\amethystmoshii:  ah, so maybe one of the versioned dependencies needs to be tighter
20:28.30moshiichops: I have done in the past, in fact I still have an apt repo serving out kde4 svn packages.. hence I know that things are getting sloppy, and not from "just bitching" angle
20:29.37chopsmoshii: I'm just trying to figure out if the problem you're reporting is with the binary packages in Debian experimental, or your hand-built packages with SVN code.
20:29.51chopsmoshii: If the problem is with the Debian packages, I highly encourage you to file a bug report.
20:30.27moshiichops: The problem is the binary packages, the problems are generally that the maints are getting sloppy and not checking their packages after they've built them. And yes I have reported bugs
20:30.49\amethystmoshii:   when you encountered the problem, were all your KDE libs from the repository, or were you using some locally-patched ones?
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20:31.54moshii\amethyst: all from debian at the moment
20:31.58\amethysta too-loose versioned dependency doesn't imply the maintainers aren't checking their packages---just that they didn't check against the oldest libraries they claim to support
20:32.42\amethystso maybe they're not checking them *enough*, but they probably did run them with the latest (3.5.9) kdelibs4c2a
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20:32.52moshiiwhat about the kde-something-4.0.0-this.is.really.x.v.z packages. I have never seen that before :/
20:32.56aroonihow can i get my version of ruby to be 1.8.6 (latest stable version)?  when i do sudo apt-get install ruby ... i see that its only 1.8.5?  (debian etch)?
20:33.11chopsmoshii: Feel free to volunteer to help with KDE packaging if it's not being done to your standards.
20:33.18chopsarooni: Why do you want a later one?
20:33.22moshiiarooni: etch only gets security updates
20:33.43Anonissimus!xserver
20:33.45PiousMinionAnyone know where /etc/init.d/nas gets the value for $NASD_OPTS ?
20:33.46aroonichops, rails recommends that i have 1.8.6?
20:33.57chopsarooni: Your options are to upgrade your whole Debian to testing or sid, or to install a backport... but unless you have a specific need for a newer package, it's generally better to leave stable systems with stable packages.
20:34.19arooniso debian folks dont consider ruby 1.8.6 stable?
20:34.27abrotmanPiousMinion: /etc/default/ maybe
20:34.37abrotmanarooni: not when etch was released
20:34.39moshiiarooni: it wasn't stable or maybe even out when etch as frozen
20:34.41abrotman!meaning of stable
20:34.41dpkg"Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime.  There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases.  Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable
20:34.47moshiis/as/was
20:35.37arooniinteresting
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20:35.51madclickerhi, is it possible to burn two different ISO images to two different burners on the same system?
20:36.08chopsmadclicker: Yes
20:36.13thijsbyes!
20:36.19thijsbnerolinux
20:36.25chopsmadclicker: Whether any particular burner software will support it without making a mistake is a separate issue :-)
20:36.27amphimadclicker: I don't see why not - you might want to use large buffers to avoid underrun
20:36.48PiousMinionomg, I got nas working.. .with vlc at least.  Any ideas how I can pipe 'all' audio to it?
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20:36.56moshiiarooni: if you really need 1.8.6 you can install a backport or you can move to lenny and forfeit security updates etc
20:37.09thijsbore compile it!
20:37.13chopsmoshii: lenny's got security updates.
20:37.17madclickeramphi, launch k3b twice and go?
20:37.19valdynmadclicker: this should work easily for dvds or cdrom with burnproof
20:37.27chopsthijsb: Don't advise that as a first step
20:37.31jelly-homethijsb: of course, but that's not a debian specific solution
20:37.31valdynmadclicker: for like at least 4 burns at a time
20:37.37amphimadclicker: I was thinking of wodim ;) I have no idea about k3b
20:37.46moshiichops: so does unstable iirc, but they aren't "supported" by the security team
20:37.55chopsthijsb: That should be a last resort if all the more supported avenues have one sort of problem or another
20:38.06thijsbchops oke your r.
20:38.14chopsmoshii: lenny has security support; I'm not sure if it's done by the security team or not
20:38.14madclickervaldyn, "burnproof"?
20:38.31abrotmanchops: it's not as timely as stable's though
20:38.51thijsbwen will lenny release middel 2008?
20:38.53valdynmadclicker: old cd burners will break the disk on data underrun, new ones with a feature called "burnproof" will not, dvds wont
20:39.02chops!tell thijsb about wwlr
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20:39.18valdynmadclicker: meaning its a standard feature for dvd , its an addition for cdrom
20:39.22madclickervaldyn, which burn software would be best for this task?
20:39.31valdynmadclicker: any
20:39.38madclickervaldyn, k
20:39.44madclickerthank you for the info guys
20:39.46moshiivaldyn: discs that have burnt, underrun, and started again can upset readers though
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20:40.07valdynmoshii: ah, i wouldnt know about that
20:40.15thijsbclear
20:40.25moshiia modern machine should be able to drive a couple burners at a time though, cdr at least
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20:40.43valdynmoshii: but either way a modern machine should be able to easily handle enough throughput
20:41.18moshiimadclicker: 6 disc replicator units are cheap now ;)
20:41.40madclickermoshii, different ISO's
20:41.55Mazingarohi
20:42.43madclickermoshii, replicators that would burn different ISO's to each of the six drives?
20:43.05eecchothijsb, it's cheaper to throw a server out from window than going around lenny's underworks ;)
20:43.10Mazingaroplease I've got a problem with firewall and sftp (vsftp). Passive connection doesn't work due to firewall (ftp use encrypted port for connection)
20:43.19abrotmanuse scp
20:43.23moshiimadclicker: depends on the replicator. There are some that read one disc and burn to the other drives and there are others that do a harddrive jukebox thing and I think can burnt different images simultaneously
20:44.01eecchoMazingaro, actually ftp uses random port for passive connection; you need to modprobe ip_ftp_conntrack
20:44.09moshiimadclicker: still, a decent machine could easilly drive a couple cd burners at once
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20:45.06azethhello
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20:45.45maligorMazingaro, you mean ftp+ssl and not sftp?
20:45.45eecchomoshii, if it helps, my 3yo mecha serves 2 dvd writing drives
20:46.17azeth!depends eclipse
20:46.18Mazingaromaligor: ok
20:46.22dpkgeclipse: depends on eclipse-jdt (= 3.2.2-5), eclipse-pde (= 3.2.2-5), eclipse-source (= 3.2.2-5), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), zenity
20:46.23Mazingaromaligor: that's the case
20:46.28Nyleazeth: still on that problem
20:46.44Nyleazeth: I had suggested earlier to upgrade to lenny as a desktop
20:46.46azethnyle: installed lenny
20:46.53Nylecapital N please
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20:46.58Nyleuse tab completion
20:47.00maligorMazingaro, sftp wouldn't have that issue since it's not really ftp and doesn't use a separate data connection link afaik
20:47.01azethsorry ;)
20:47.05Mazingaromaligor: micro$oft server uses ISA to encapsulate ftp connections in https
20:47.06Nylemy name :)
20:47.19azethNyle: good
20:47.25Mazingaromaligor: sftp is based upon ssh
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20:47.27azethit is installed
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20:47.33Mazingaromaligor: I mean ftp + ssl
20:47.41Nyleazeth: and what does aptitude install eclipse do
20:47.51Nyle!info eclipse testing
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20:47.54maligorMazingaro, I doubt you can do that easily with NAT
20:47.56dpkgeclipse: (Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.2.1-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 121 kB, Installed size: 412 kB
20:48.10Nyleazeth: you should be good to go now
20:48.14azethNyle: old release
20:48.14rahuldo I have to capitalize Gandoo, too?
20:48.15maligorMazingaro, atleast if the entire connection is encrypted, the connection tracker won't be able to track it
20:48.17Mazingaromaligor: I could not configure firewall because it's a cisco machine
20:48.22Nyleazeth: you want new version
20:48.22\amethystMazingaro:  I believe there are some FTP options to stop encrypting the control connection after you send the authentication information
20:48.27azethNyle: old release
20:48.33azethNyle: sorry new
20:48.37Mazingaromaligor: firewall should use a sorta ip_ftpconntrack
20:48.50Nyleazeth: which version do you need?
20:48.52wolseeccho: does netbeans have a nice pHP or C mode?
20:48.54maligorMazingaro, yeah, but encrypted connections sort of defeat that
20:49.00Mazingaro\\amethyst: good!
20:49.03azethNyle: the newest it can be
20:49.06eecchowols, it does both
20:49.10\amethystMazingaro:   ah, found it, the CCC command
20:49.16Mazingaromaligor: we got CSS and FIREWALL apparatus
20:49.16wolsMazingaro: o make ftp work in any form you need portforwards
20:49.19Nyleazeth: what does eclipse website say about the latest version/stable
20:49.23wolsor use a ssh tunnel/vpn
20:49.39Nyle!info eclipse
20:49.41dpkgeclipse: (Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.2.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 125 kB, Installed size: 320 kB
20:49.41Mazingarowols: portforwarding... I think it's more complicated
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20:49.52Mazingarowols: ftp is working
20:49.52\amethystMazingaro:  that puts the command channel back into cleartext mode, so the connection tracker at least has the chance to do its thing
20:50.09Nyleazeth: if the eclipse website says the version if HIGHER than 3.2.2, then you will need to build it yourself as it is not in debian, yet
20:50.11Mazingaro\\amethyst: is ccc a client command?
20:50.14\amethystMazingaro:  not all servers support CCC though
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20:50.26Mazingaro\amethyst: what about vsftp?
20:50.29Nyled
20:50.38Nylevsftpd (its not a client)
20:50.41dcnoyemoshii:
20:50.41\amethystMazingaro:  I wouldn't know about particular ones
20:50.44azethNyle: ok, but how to do that
20:50.45maligorftp+ssl is some sort of cursed and twisted evil beast if you ask me
20:50.49azethi forgot
20:50.51NinjaElfI installed the lastest stable version of debian and it isntalled gnome.  Is there any way to select KDE when installing?
20:50.51Nyleazeth: are you new to linux?
20:50.54Mazingaro\amethyst: ok googling
20:50.57\amethystMazingaro:  it has to be supported by both the client and server
20:50.59azethNyle: ok, but how to do tha
20:51.04azethNyle: sorry
20:51.09azethNyle: yes, new
20:51.11dcnoyei need to automate updates,  what would you recommend ?
20:51.14Mazingaro\amethyst: no problem
20:51.14rahulwhy are you encrypting ftp?
20:51.15redrainHi, I want to delete a host from SSH known_hosts file. But I can't figure out which line is it. Is there a way to remove only one host or I have to clear that file?
20:51.26Nylerahul: gandoo
20:51.30wolsredrain: use an editor. any will do
20:51.38wolsredrain: the host is there in cleartext
20:51.45\amethystmaligor:  as if FTP wasn't evil enough already
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20:51.50\amethysts/was/were/
20:52.18redrainwols, No, It's all encrypted
20:52.19\amethystwols:  that assumes he doesn't have HashKnownHosts on
20:52.21rahulhmm
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20:52.31rahulI should upload those 100s of pictures I have
20:52.42\amethystredrain:    ssh-keygen -R hostname
20:52.43azethNyle: what was that command?
20:52.51Nyleazeth: what command?
20:52.55Nyleto do what?
20:53.03azethNyle: to download the newest version and compile
20:53.17azethNyle: and what to change in sources.list
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20:53.20wolsstragen. my old entries are cleartext, newer ones hashed
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20:53.24Nyleazeth: you download the newest version, and unpack it, and install dependencies and bild it
20:53.28Nylei dunno
20:53.59Nyleazeth: I'm not going to go in circles with you.  Which version of eclipse do you want? I don't want a answer like old/new/current, give me a fucking version #
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20:54.08redrain\amethyst, Thank you...
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20:54.45protoloco> /dev/null 2>&1     <-- what does it means ??   2>&1 ?
20:54.54FiendishF1shHow can you shown which ports are open, I forgot the command? Fusion or something?!
20:54.57Nyletake stdrr and put on stdout
20:54.59azethEclipse Europa Winter Maintenance Packages
20:55.05Nyleprotoloco: google for bash redirection
20:55.10azeth3.3.2
20:55.18azethexactly
20:55.22Nyleazeth: debian currently does not have 3.3.2
20:55.24\amethystFiendishF1sh:  netstat -plunt
20:55.33Nyleazeth: I advise apt-get build-dep eclipse
20:55.42Nyleazeth: then download the source from eclipse's website
20:55.47abrotman!tell protoloco about bashfaq
20:55.53FiendishF1sh\amethyst, I want to check if a port is either FILTERED or just CLOSED
20:55.55FiendishF1shHow can I do so?
20:55.57Nyleazeth: then follow those installation instructions
20:55.57abrotmanprotoloco:  or ask #bash
20:55.58azethNyle: ok
20:56.02abrotmanFiendishF1sh: nmap
20:56.08FiendishF1shIs that the only way?
20:56.12abrotmantelnet ?
20:56.13dcnoyeFiendishF1sh: netstat -an
20:56.28\amethystFiendishF1sh:  iptables -L if you want to look at your local filters
20:56.29Nylewait
20:56.34abrotmani think he's referring to the output that nmap gives .. where it says open/filtered/closed
20:56.35Nyle&2 is stderr?
20:56.42Nyleyeh
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20:56.51NyleI'm having a brain fart
20:57.16azethNyle: downloading...
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20:58.00Nylewhat should I order from the chinese place?
20:58.00Nylehmm
20:58.01NinjaElfI installed the latest stable version of Debian and it installed gnome.  Is there any way to select KDE when installing?
20:58.10Nyle!install kde
20:58.10dpkgThe metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest.  To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt.  For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall
20:58.19abrotman!remove gnome
20:58.20dpkgapt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest.
20:58.26Nyletyvm
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20:59.49mzilikazii need to rebuild alsa - did this: apt-get source alsa-base and edited a file in the source but dpkg-buildpackage complains:
20:59.52mzilikazidpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
20:59.54NinjaElfthanks!  Nyle and abrotman.
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21:00.17chopsmzilikazi: dpkg-buildpackage -b
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21:01.13mzilikazithanks chops - that's perfect
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21:03.32chopsmzilikazi: np
21:04.22dcnoyeunder debian stable (etch) i am pretty much guaranteed that aptitude dist-upgrade will not pave over any of my config files right ?
21:04.37valdyndcnoye: no
21:04.40bahadunnanyone know why such an old version of samhain is in lenny/sid?
21:04.54valdyndcnoye: you are guaranteed that none of your modified config files is changed
21:05.05dcnoyeoh !
21:05.14valdyndcnoye: if the config file is the default, then theoretically an etch package could change it
21:05.22dcnoyeok
21:05.34valdyndcnoye: but etch packages cant add or change features so, this would have to be a serious bug fix
21:05.43FiendishF1shabrotman, Any idea how to make nmap check whether it's FILTERED or CLOSED
21:05.57dcnoyei am trying to automate nightly updates
21:06.13valdyndcnoye: why trying?
21:06.17dcnoyeis this a cRaZy idea ?
21:06.21valdyndcnoye: see apt-cron package
21:06.36valdyndcnoye: cron-apt even
21:07.01dcnoyethanks valdyn
21:07.02abrotmanFiendishF1sh: read the docs ?
21:07.02dkryeah, I was just about to recommend cron-apt too
21:07.20dkrfrom cron-apt description:  Automatic upgrade of all packages is NOT recommended unless you are in full control of the package
21:07.20dkr<PROTECTED>
21:07.21FiendishF1shJust wondering if you knew off of the top of your head :>
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21:07.41azethNyle: eclipse.org is full of sources....
21:07.42valdyndcnoye: depending on the purpose of your box its  a more or less good idea.
21:07.43dcnoyethanks dkr
21:08.03valdyndcnoye: i.e. if you value security over availability, then its a good idea
21:08.10dcnoyewell 50+ plone sites
21:08.32dcnoyeplus or minus
21:08.42abrotmandcnoye: fair warning .. automated package upgrades can do bad things
21:08.45dkrI do seem to spend a bit too much time applying security updates to stable servers. maybe I should automate it also :)
21:09.13valdyndcnoye: debian stable upgrades rarely break something, but they do, sometimes, maybe once i year ( and that still doesnt mean it affects you )
21:09.23abrotmanthis year it was samba!
21:09.28abrotmanor maybe that was last year
21:09.39abrotmanand i had tomcat break on me in oldstable
21:09.50azethNyle: what should i download?
21:10.00FiendishF1shDoes anyone know WHERE to download the socks5 proxt server?
21:10.02dcnoyebreakage would be bad
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21:10.08FiendishF1shBecause the website everywhere gives is down :<
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21:10.23azeth!depends eclipse-3.3
21:10.23valdynFiendishF1sh: from debian repository
21:10.40abrotmanazeth: you can msg the bot too
21:10.44FiendishF1shvaldyn, nevermind, it's not debian. Wrong channel
21:10.51abrotmanshocker
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21:11.14pablohi, if i change from a crt monitor to a lcd do i need to reconfigure something?
21:11.15\amethystDebian doesn't have the socks5 server anyway as far as I can tell
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21:11.24valdynpablo: maybe not
21:11.28abrotmanmaybe so
21:11.30valdynpablo: depends on a few things
21:11.38pablovaldyn: like what?
21:11.48valdynpablo: gfx card / driver, your custom xorg.conf
21:12.29pablovaldyn: ok i will try, in case it doesnt works, dpkg-reconfigure xorg?
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21:12.55\amethystah, dante-server is a socksv5 proxy server
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21:14.11ttyS1how can I configure vsftpd virtual users with independent home directories ?
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21:16.07Haris*** Warning: make dep is unnecessary now. <- ?!?
21:16.33HarisI have alot of options selected as loadable mods
21:16.39wolswhat's so hard to understand
21:16.47jimhi... looking to really learn how alsa is used, how to identify devices that exist (I've compiled alsa drivers over and over, works fine, all that handled... now, want to know as much about how to use it as possible)
21:16.50wolsit'S clear egnlish
21:17.00wolsjim: lspci
21:17.11HarisDoes that mean, make mods or make will automatically build the deps as well?
21:17.13jimagain... not that part :)
21:17.38wolsHaris: have you ever compiled a kernel?
21:17.41Eulexjim, alsaconf?
21:17.42jimhow to -use- alsa once drivers are built, alsa is configured for a card, all set up
21:17.51Harislots of times
21:17.56jimafter alsaconf too
21:17.57Harisnot recently htough
21:18.01wolsHaris: then you wouldn't ask
21:18.11wolscause then you'd know what make dep does
21:18.14abrotmanttyS1: ask #vsftpd
21:18.33wolsjim: you modprobe the drivers and it's done
21:19.26jimwols: drivers modprobed, that's done too (went thru a problem where there was a hipitch tone where the audio should have been, that solved by a google search)
21:19.46wolsjim: either you start explaining your problem more clearly or: HAND
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21:20.07wolsI won't draw out every little shitty fact piecemeal
21:20.22masusby all
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21:20.27jimmy first question is, once alsa is configured properly, all modprobed, everything set up, what can I do to discover all available devices on the soundcard?
21:20.44jimwols: probably just as well... you seem grumpy
21:20.49Eulexavailable devices on the soundcard?
21:20.51abrotman!alsa one-liner
21:20.51dpkgrumour has it, alsa one-liner is "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>).  You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications.
21:20.58wolsEulex: have fun :P
21:21.08\amethystjim:  cat /proc/asound/devices   maybe?
21:21.09Eulex:P
21:21.32jim\amethyst: ok, good... when I do that, I get... (wait a sec)
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21:25.55gonzaloafhello, how can I detect the fail about when I use xorg + gnome, my processor start heating a lot?
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21:26.11chopsHow bad an idea is it to have a carpeted server room?
21:26.19pablohi, i changed monitor from crt to lcd, what should i configure?
21:26.31chopsThe network closet / server rack room in our new office has carpet
21:26.32chops:-(
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21:26.44jimchops: if you have a strip of tin foil underneath that is grounded, that might help
21:27.15abrotmanchops: get shitty linoleum from home depot ?
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21:27.23jimother than that, you'd have to worry about cleaning it
21:27.28chopsabrotman: The problem is that we're moving in on Saturday
21:27.34abrotmanchops: you've got three days!
21:27.44abrotmanchops: and anyways .. who the hell let them carpet it ?
21:27.46chopsabrotman: My boss is running around trying to figure out if we can rip out the carpet and get linoleum between now and then
21:27.59chopsabrotman: It was carpeted before "we" (i.e. not me) designated it the server room
21:28.06abrotmanif they'll let you rip it up .. i wouldn't even care about being on concrete
21:28.14chopsHm
21:28.38abrotmanthat said .. doesn't seem like it was meant to be a server room .. you sure the electrical will be okay?
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21:29.24chopsabrotman: They got new wiring; we have a 208V outlet to the UPS
21:29.30chopsWhich basically powers everything
21:29.50jim-one- outlet??
21:29.51gonzaloafhello, why when  I use gnome my cpu start to be used at 100% ? the cooler work faster and the system turns slow
21:29.54abrotmannew wiring? but carpet?
21:30.24wolsgonzaloaf: check what process uses your cpu
21:30.27\amethystgonzaloaf:  what does   top  say is usnig the CPU?
21:30.31chopsabrotman: Yes
21:30.40abrotmanchops: i think your boss wasn't paying attention :0
21:30.41abrotman:)
21:30.56chopsabrotman: It wasn't him that was organizing a lot of this stuff
21:31.02abrotmanoyu're to blame!
21:31.05chopsabrotman: But now he's in charge of fixing anything that's wrong at the last minute
21:31.08gonzaloaf\amethyst, Xorg
21:31.10chopsabrotman: Great stuff :-)
21:31.28gonzaloaf\amethyst, I have used icewm and the cpu was working good
21:31.33\amethystgonzaloaf:   anything else with a high percentage near the top?
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21:31.53chopsabrotman: I'm not to blame, either, FWIW :-).
21:32.23gonzaloaf\amethyst, not static
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21:32.33abrotmanstew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:32.37stewhi
21:32.38gonzaloaf\amethyst, the problem is gnome
21:32.39abrotmanstew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:32.43chopsI'm about to recommend that the carpet get ripped up, even if we can't replace it with linoleum in time and need to leave it as concrete
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21:32.57Nylenotreally
21:32.58stewwho can tell me the name of the utility that sits in a pipeline and will spit stats out to stderr?
21:32.59abrotmanchops: remember the glue will still be there
21:33.02Nyleits not him
21:33.11Nyleits a hallucination
21:33.15EvilGuruApt wants to update imagemagick on my server. Problem is it wants to pull in the best part of X and friends, how can I stop this
21:33.15aptEvilGuru: that's too long
21:33.27Nylestew: !! where have you been man dude
21:33.27abrotmanEvilGuru: paste it somewhere
21:33.48stewNyle: 11215
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21:34.04Nylestew: ok
21:34.34EvilGuruabrotman: http://rafb.net/p/7vUVdb94.html
21:34.35jima zippy code?
21:34.49Nylestew: what were you doing there for like over a month?
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21:35.15jimBrooklyn?
21:35.40gonzaloafno clues for me?
21:35.44abrotmanEvilGuru: paste your sources
21:35.53abrotmangonzaloaf: they want the actual process name
21:35.57gonzaloafjust wait until my cpu fries up?
21:36.07abrotmaneggs!
21:36.09gonzaloafabrotman, I told Xorg
21:36.16Nylejim: he made me go out there once for debian alcoholics anonymous ;)
21:36.22EvilGuruabrotman: http://rafb.net/p/BuCDyR78.html
21:36.29stewNyle: i've been doing a lot of knitting
21:36.36Nylestew: nice
21:36.46wolsstew: were you taken to gitmo or what?
21:36.47Nylestew: and how did that work out for you?
21:36.50wols!wb stew
21:36.50dpkgO frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!  stew has returned!
21:37.15gonzaloafafter Xorg moves cupsd, metacity, xchat
21:37.38abrotmanEvilGuru: are you supposed to be running lenny ?
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21:37.49Nylegonzaloaf: what are you doing?
21:37.59EvilGuruabrotman: I like having newer software versions
21:38.00dkrstew: cpipe
21:38.03abrotmanEvilGuru: and it's not really installing X .. just a bunch of X libraries
21:38.04Nylegonzaloaf: what does Xorg move?
21:38.11EvilGuruIt is not a production server per se
21:38.20gonzaloafNyle, I mean the process in the top output
21:38.34Nyle!info cpipe
21:38.36dpkgcpipe: (counting pipe), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
21:38.37Nylegonzaloaf: oh
21:38.38EvilGuruHowever, I do not think imagemagick should be pulling in that kind amount
21:38.51abrotmanit is a graphics library
21:38.55stewdkr: that's not the one i was thinking of, but that works,  thanks.  (why I couldn't find this with a-c search is beyond me)
21:38.56abrotman!depends imagemagick lenny
21:38.59dpkgimagemagick: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.15-1), libmagick10, libsm6, libtiff4, libx11-6, libxext6, libxt6, zlib1g
21:39.05abrotmanstew: a "sink" ?
21:39.16stewabrotman: eh?
21:39.24abrotmanokay then .. nevermind :0
21:39.48gonzaloafcan somebody tell me why when I use gnome my cpu starts working a lot?
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21:40.06abrotman!tell root___ about root
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21:41.09chopsEvilGuru: It has graphical clients that display images in an X window and things
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21:41.34EvilGuruchops: I think it would be good if they were in a separate package
21:41.46DawnLightabrotman: got another one, eh
21:41.54azethhow can i donwload source from eclipse?
21:42.04azethyou know i'm new
21:42.15stewazeth: apt-get source packagename
21:42.27abrotmanstew: pv ?
21:42.37abrotman!info pv etch
21:42.41dpkgpv: (Shell pipeline element to meter data passing through), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.6-1 (etch), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
21:42.49gonzaloafhelp me please
21:42.53stewthat was the one i was thinking of
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21:43.01abrotmanstew: GO SOX! :)
21:43.20gonzaloafabrotman, thanks I needed to cool me
21:43.50gonzaloafmy cpu needs a beer, its cooler is working at the max rpm
21:44.01abrotmanEvilGuru: you could file a wishlist bug
21:44.10abrotmangonzaloaf: does it only happen with gnome? try another QWM
21:44.11abrotmanWM
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21:44.32stewabrotman: i've been knitting a lot of socks recently, how awesome will it be if i knit up red socks when we are at yankee stadium this summer
21:44.37gonzaloafabrotman, I have tried icewm and twm and it was working ok, so gnome is the problem
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21:45.08abrotmanstew: i think the joke might not be appreciated ...
21:45.16abrotmangonzaloaf: try with a new user
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21:45.30gonzaloafabrotman,  a new user?
21:45.31abrotmanstew: i was looking for you and mrs .. but you both went poof
21:45.39abrotmangonzaloaf: create a new user .. see if gnome still dies
21:45.56EvilGuruhttp://packages.debian.org/lenny/imagemagick?lang=cs doesn't have many deps
21:46.02gonzaloafabrotman, gnome doesnt die, just heat up my cpu and slow down my system
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21:47.20mzilikazican you pass ./configure options to dpkg-buildpackage or should you just run ./configure --options and then dpkg-buildpackage?
21:47.21anxtif i have an ext3 running but there are no writes to disk will the journal still get written every 5 seconds?  i have a compact flash i don't wanna hose from excessive writes
21:47.26abrotmangonzaloaf: so try a new user
21:47.28chopsEvilGuru: You can file a wishlist bug... I doubt it'll get changed, though.  Bloat in the repositories is not ideal.
21:47.31gonzaloafabrotman, shutdown my computer in order to cool my cpu?
21:47.41chopsEvilGuru: Unwanted packages getting installed is not ideal either, of course.
21:47.50abrotmangonzaloaf: FFS .. read what i'm saying
21:48.02abrotmanmzilikazi: rules file
21:48.06EvilGuruchops: I see it mainly as a set of libraries/command line apps
21:48.09azethbut how to set in sources.list to get sources?
21:48.19abrotman!tell azeth about sources.list
21:48.27EvilGuruI would not have thought the X frontends are used all that often in comparison
21:49.00Nyleazeth: what sources?
21:49.03chopsEvilGuru: I don't use them often, certainly.
21:49.20azethNyle: of eclipse
21:49.21Nyleazeth: if eclipse 3.3 is not even in debian, where will you get its soruces using apt/sources.list?
21:49.24EvilGuruThe libraries are often used with php (php5-imagick etc)
21:49.30azethoh,
21:49.39azethfrom cvs?
21:49.44abrotmanEvilGuru: but you're still just isntalling X libraries .. nto X itself
21:49.44azethi should go?
21:49.51Nyleazeth: I thought that was obvious when I told you that you have to get the latest source from upstream/eclipse and compile it
21:49.56Nyleazeth: what is wrong with 3.2?
21:50.06Nyleazeth: what is so special about 3.3 that you MUST have it
21:50.07Nyle?
21:50.12EvilGuruabrotman: I would rather not have them, however, as it is more to update
21:50.21Nyleand what the FUCK is this eclipse anyway? :)
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21:50.39abrotmanEvilGuru: have you considered they are actually smaller libraries of one large one you had before? (i don't actually know)
21:51.05EvilGuruI never explicitly installed imagemagick, it was pulled in by the PHP extension
21:51.21EvilGuruso I presume if there was a minimal lib it would have pulled it
21:51.23azethNyle: i know, i won't ask fool questions, calm down
21:51.51Nyleazeth: I'm sorry I'm calm
21:52.12EvilGuruNyle: 3.3 is a lot better than 3.2 so far as C/C++ development goes
21:52.26Nyleif someone is going to develop software
21:52.32Nyleshouldn't they KNOW how to compile it?
21:52.45Nyleits only logical imo
21:52.59Nylehe wants eclipse so he can develop, yet he can't compile it from source
21:53.10chopsEvilGuru: Filing a wishlist bug will do a lot more to affect the packages than will talking on IRC (though as I say I doubt it'll be changed)
21:53.14Nylethats just very funny to me
21:53.44EvilGuruchops: I was about to until I saw the package page for it does not list any of the extra deps it wants me to install
21:54.04\amethystNyle:   people who have grown up on IDEs often don't *know* how to compile/build software without one
21:54.04chopsEvilGuru: Can you pastebin your exact command and what it's installing in addition?
21:54.15chopsEvilGuru: Maybe we can help you track down exactly why they're being pulled in
21:54.17Nyle\amethyst: *sigh*
21:54.35Nyle\amethyst: it is a travesty for sure
21:54.39EvilGuruchops: http://rafb.net/p/BuCDyR78.html
21:55.04Nylebut really
21:55.06chopsEvilGuru: Er... that wasn't what I was expecting
21:55.08\amethystNyle:  here we use Visual Studio for the first 2 classes, then in the third class dump them into Unix and have them use makefiles, etc
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21:55.25EvilGuruOh, sorry, what command will product the desired reuslt?
21:55.26Nyle\amethyst: been programming since 6th grade
21:55.28Nyleheh
21:55.33NyleI like VS
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21:55.37chopsNyle: Or there's me; I'm comfortable in Makefiles but struggle mightily with IDEs on large projects.  It's just different skill sets.
21:55.42\amethystNyle:  since I was 7 years old, myself
21:55.52\amethystNyle:  that's why I'm teaching :)
21:55.58Nylewicked
21:56.19chopsEvilGuru: You said you're getting extra dependencies pulled in that you don't want.  Can you pastebin the command that wants to pull in the extra packages, and the output that indicates it's pulling in extra packages?
21:56.19\amethyst(teaching *assistant*, granted, but I'm working on the whole dissertation thing)
21:56.19NyleI just smoke pot and let my entire hard work in learning computers go to waste while I deliver pizza and am sick of the world/life
21:56.25Nylemaybe you can teach me to be happy?
21:56.33Nyleahh boy *sigh*
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21:56.48ftp3debian is not seeing my onboard nic.. how do I find the drivers it needs?
21:57.00Nyleftp3: lspci no reporting?
21:57.02Nylenot*
21:57.03EvilGuruchops: Hope this is right: http://rafb.net/p/7vUVdb94.html
21:57.19chopsNyle: Maybe getting away from computers will help you.  For several months a while ago I only let myself use the computer one day a week (for as long as I wanted, but not on any other day).  It was great.  There's a whole world out there, you know.
21:57.33ftp3nyle: it says this: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 10bd (rev 02)
21:57.44Nyleoh hm
21:57.45DawnLightNyle: ask spirit for guidance. ask to be given a purpose. ask where you can be of service
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21:58.06abrotmanDawnLight: maybe this is his purpose!
21:58.13Nyleahh the same sanctimonious crap
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21:58.38stewftp3: run "lspci -n | grep 19" and tell us what is in the 3rd column for 00:19.0, should be something like '8086:10de'
21:58.41DawnLightshall i look the word up?
21:58.47Nylewhat you really mean to say is ask the boogie man for advice.
21:59.14Nylemight as well believe in dragons and flying carpets too
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21:59.37ftp300:19.0 0200: 8086:10bd (rev 02)
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22:00.01NinjaElfNyle are there no jobs out there that requires your skills?
22:00.04Nylelets see if that is registered with debian hcl
22:00.07EulexEvilGuru, what's wrong with that?
22:00.08stewftp3: looks like the e1000e driver
22:00.30gonzaloafabrotman, happens the same
22:00.32stewftp3: (according to 'grep "8086.*10bd" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap')
22:00.33Nylestew: how did you know that so quickly
22:00.34ftp3i suppose, the way my day is going, it is a huge pain to install?
22:00.34EvilGuruEulex: I do not want/need those dependencies
22:00.42DawnLightwe, heavy computer users, frequently lose touch with our right hemisphere, Nyle. that is why we have hard time accepting things that are beyong logic
22:00.51NyleNinjaElf: oh there are, I just I dunno w/e bored with lfie
22:00.53EvilGuruA server does not need GTK
22:00.56abrotmanstew: doesn't appear etch supports that
22:01.02stewabrotman: probably not
22:01.06NyleDawnLight: yes maybe
22:01.06stewftp3: what does "uname -r" say?
22:01.21ftp32.6.18-6-amd64
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22:02.04stewftp3: you need at least a 2.6.23 kernel, perhaps backports has one, /msg dpkg bpo
22:02.06EulexEvilGuru, and how did you verify that none of the packages that you're installing/have installed need gtk?
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22:02.24chopsNyle: To a 19th-century man, you describing the software inside your computer would sound like flying carpets.  It doesn't "exist" like the hardware does, but still talking "the mysql-server package" as if it were an object is useful.  It's the same way with brains.  Their structure cannot be accurately represented by material descriptions.
22:02.27ftp3stew: apt-get update ?
22:02.32NinjaElfNyle :(,  Hang gliding is better than anti depressants!  Maybe check it out. Thats what I did. Though I don't have any real skills.
22:02.36EvilGuruEulex: It is an apt-get dist-upgrade; the only package being upgraded is imagemagick
22:02.52Nylechops: I agree
22:02.54EvilGuruIt just seemed logical to conclude that it is the reason for these packages being pulled in
22:03.04EulexEvilGuru, what happens with a simle apt-get install?
22:03.30EvilGuruImagemagick is already installed, but I am not totally sure I know what you mean
22:03.32abrotmanbpo has a 2.6.22
22:03.54abrotmanlast i looked anywa
22:03.54stewnot 2.6.23?
22:04.21abrotmani think they're backporting the lenny kernel, not the sid
22:04.26NyleNinjaElf: I spent 22 years on the guitar, gave it all I had, now that doesn't even interest me.  I spent 18+ years on the computer, learned quite a bit, and that doesn't interest me.  I use to like getting high, now I don't really even enjoy smoking anymore.  I don't eat at all but maybe once every two days, I hate food.
22:04.29abrotmanand .23 never made it to lenny
22:04.31EulexEvilGuru, what does 'apt-get install' do?
22:04.34gonzaloafabrotman, next step?
22:04.36NyleNinjaElf: its ok, I'll make it somehow.  lets help debianites
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22:04.59EvilGuruEulex: Just offers to remove an orphaned package
22:05.02stewman i'm already tired of this dpl election
22:05.11Nylewhose it gonna be?
22:05.17chopsEvilGuru: What's it say if you respond to that prompt with 'wxutils'?
22:05.19Nyleaccepting wagers now
22:05.22Nyleanyone? anyone?
22:05.25Nylehehe j/k
22:05.34stewftp3: that's not going to help, you are either going to need to find a backported 2.6.23 or 2.6.24 kernel or install the kenrel from unstable, or compile your own
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22:05.50NinjaElfNyle, I swear hang gliding puts the life back into ya!  You reall should check it out! I'll say no more. Your doing a great service in here, but you should enjoy life more.
22:05.53Nyleits not hard to build a kernel these days
22:05.59EvilGuruchops: What prompt sorry?
22:06.15chopsEvilGuru: aptitude's "Do you want to continue?" prompt
22:06.34NyleI think I might be depressed?
22:06.42Nylenah
22:06.49EvilGuruchops: When I do apt-get dist-upgrade you mean
22:06.51NyleI just need to eat or something i'll feel better
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22:07.37ftp3seems the e1000e issue is talked about here: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/566d4551d000cdb3/d69bb0be5327240d?lnk=raot
22:07.46chopsEvilGuru: Er... no, that's not it.  There's some command which asks it why it wants to install a certain package.
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22:08.10ftp3is it possible to make it work some other way so I can have a nic?  its in a 1u case and I have no room for a extra card
22:08.10chopsEvilGuru: Maybe just "o"
22:08.47stewftp3: some other way other than installing a 2.6.23 or 2.6.24 kernel?
22:08.55abrotman!kmuto
22:08.55dpkgFor etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
22:09.45chopsEvilGuru: Also, does it still want to install all that nonsense if you just say "aptitude install imagemagick"?
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22:09.58EvilGuruLets see
22:10.00gonzaloafhi, can somebody give me clues to find out what is doing my cpu working a lot? (overheating?)
22:10.05Nyle{a}
22:10.12abrotmangonzaloaf: does it happen for a new user or not?
22:10.13Nyleyou have any idea how much shit aptitude will install
22:10.14Nyle:/
22:10.28ftp3stew, how do I get the 2.6.23 or .24 kernel installed?  (i do not know how to do that)
22:10.40joltcangonzaloaf: use "top" and "ps aux" to find out what it is doing
22:10.42abrotman!tell ftp3 about kmuto
22:10.48gonzaloafabrotman, yes the same problem with another user
22:10.50EvilGuruchops: Indeed it does
22:10.56abrotmangonzaloaf: but you're running unstable?
22:10.58EvilGuruAlthough the deps have {a} next to them
22:11.02gonzaloafabrotman, lenny
22:11.06chopsEvilGuru: k
22:11.07stewftp3: are you wanting to install debian fresh with a newer kerel, or install a newer kernel onto an existing debian install?
22:11.13abrotmangonzaloaf: and you've checked bugs.debian.org ?
22:11.22chopsEvilGuru: What version are you upgrading from and to?  (apt-cache policy imagemagick)
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22:12.00EvilGuruInstalled: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-2 Candidate: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg1-2
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22:13.27ftp3well, i just installed debian after spending a week trying to find a hardware raid card to work, $350 later i now have a nice working hardware raid card.. and debian installed, but no nic :-(
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22:13.40ftp3I just want debian x64 and the nic and raid :-)
22:13.46ftp3why is it so hard ;-)
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22:14.55damogstew: hi
22:15.01Nyledamog: hi
22:15.02stewdamog: buenos tardes
22:15.08abrotmanno name calling!
22:15.16Eulexftp3, what nic?
22:15.20Nyledamog: que pasa?
22:15.36stewftp3: if you want to compile your own: /msg dpkg kp
22:15.38abrotmanEulex: we've been over this .. e1000e
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22:15.42Eulexok
22:15.44stewabrotman: i said bueno, at least
22:15.53abrotmanheh
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22:16.26wolsftp3: tried a backported kernel or a kmuto installer?
22:16.53ftp3wols, no. i see the: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free
22:16.57stewwols: he needs a 2.6.23 or 2.6.24, and i don't think anyone knows of a backported kernel package
22:16.59ftp3line, but i havent tried it
22:17.09slidesingerIs there a tool that can power up and power down devices (eth0, wireless adapter, etc) from the command line?  Laptop application, I want to configure unused devices to power down, then be able to power them up when I need them.  Is this possible?
22:17.11wolsstew: kmuto comes with 2.6.24
22:17.16stewwols: yes
22:17.26wolsstew: not possible to extract it there?
22:17.33stewwols: probably is
22:18.06wolsstew: how is the kernel image shipped on a netinst image? as a deb/udeb?
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22:18.14wolsif so, installing should be easy I think
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22:18.30gonzaloafabrotman, yes
22:18.34wolsand I remember kmuto has specific stuff to deal with e1000, it'S mentioned on his site
22:18.38ftp3on the kmuto site, i see this: etch-custom-1013.iso - kernel version 2.6.23 + experimental e1000e driver
22:18.48stewiirc as vmlinuz and several .udebs (line one for net devices, one for scsi devices...)
22:19.00wolsick
22:19.08stew^line^like
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22:19.33ftp3wols, is that what you were talking about?
22:19.37kendworkthere's a way, using dpkg, to tell what package a particular file on my system came from, right?
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22:19.39gonzaloafabrotman, there is no bugs like my proboem
22:19.48Nyleapt-file
22:19.55Nyle!tell kendwork -about search
22:20.02wolsftp3: a place where to get a kernel which supports your NIC
22:20.07abrotmanfastest read of gnome bug reports ever
22:20.22abrotmankendwork: dpkg -S
22:20.31ftp3wols, yes, at the kmuto site, they show this: etch-custom-1013.iso - kernel version 2.6.23 + experimental e1000e driver
22:20.43ftp3wols, i just want to make sure that is what you are talking about
22:20.43abrotmanftp3: i'd likely just go for the 2.6.24 kmuto ..
22:20.54kendworkthanks folks :)
22:21.18Nylewait using dpkg eh oh yeh ok
22:21.44ftp3abrotman, ok, so, is this going to work differently or worse than a normal etch install?  I need the machine to be stable ;-)
22:21.59abrotmanftp3: of course it will be different .. it's etch but with a different kernel ..
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22:22.05kendworkcya :D
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22:22.11abrotmanftp3: you really don't have any other slots for a different NIC ?
22:22.28ftp3abrotman, its a 1u case and the slot has a hardware raid card in it
22:22.41abrotmanah ok
22:22.54stewftp3: its a good option for you.  another is to compile a custom kernel
22:23.05Nyle!make kpkg
22:23.09Nyle!make-kpkg
22:23.09dpkgsomebody said make-kpkg was the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
22:23.12abrotmanftp3: well .. you're going to have to try it.  you don't have much of an option do you?
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22:23.40nikokoh hello o/ noob problem here: trying to install my 3c905c nic, trying to load module using "modprobe 3c59x". Doesn't show up any errors or similar, everything seems to install ok. Am i supposed to see the nic with ifconfig? i mean like "eth1"... eth0 is my integrated nic
22:23.41jimmy RME card has arrived!
22:23.43Nyleinstead of installing a new etch with new kernel, install/build a new kernel on existing eetch
22:23.46ftp3i am just not sure i understand what using this kernel will mean.. will apt-get install blah blah still work properly? or will my life be a contant mess now ;-)
22:23.51NyleI'm not sure if they've been over that with you
22:24.04NyleI've never had luck with kmuto's work, unfortunately
22:24.09abrotmanftp3: it should work fine .. you're just replacing the kernel (and possibly a few associated bits)
22:24.24ftp3ok ;-)
22:24.25Nylebut try to build a kernel of .24
22:24.28stewactually wait, there should be a linux-image package on the cd he could use
22:24.30abrotmanftp3: you'll have to keep an eye on security issues ..
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22:24.37stewsince the install is going to leave him with one
22:24.37abrotmansure .. he can also use that
22:25.01Nyleif it works, great
22:25.04Nyleif...
22:25.05abrotmanftp3: if you download the kmuto CD .. you can use apt-cdrom to add it to your sources .. and see if it has a newer kernel instaed of reinstalling everything
22:25.17stewftp3: you should be able to download that .iso, and look in the /pool directory for a linux-image-2.6.24-?-amd64_something.deb package and install that
22:25.18ftp3ok, will do that first
22:25.27ftp3ty
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22:25.36Nyleum
22:25.37abrotman!tell Matux about away
22:25.38chops!away
22:25.38dpkgDo not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
22:25.41gonzaloafhi, can somebody give me clues to find out what is doing my cpu working a lot? (overheating?)
22:25.45abrotmanchops: do you really think he saw that?
22:25.50ftp3we are all talking about this: etch-custom-0215.iso - kernel version 2.6.24 + Ubuntu firmware + wpa_supplicant ..  correct?
22:25.55abrotmanftp3: yes
22:25.55Nylegonzaloaf: htop
22:25.56Nyletop
22:26.00Nylemaybe
22:26.14chopsabrotman: Well, he needed to be around to set himself to busy again immediately after un-idling...
22:26.21Nylefirst you find out which process it is hogging your cpu
22:26.27gonzaloafNyle, ?
22:26.39Nylethen you try to find out what that process is doing to hog all that much cpu
22:26.41ftp3omg that site is slow.. i am going to offer a mirror to them
22:26.41abrotmanchops: doesn't mean he's watching this channel
22:26.42gonzaloafNyle, Xorg is using 32% cpu
22:26.47chopsabrotman: True
22:26.51dabreegsterI'm trying to get debian on my laptop. I want to do a netinstall but I dont have the cdrom drive for it. My only option seems to be netboot, but before I go through the trouble of that, is it possible to put the cd netinst image on the hard drive and boot off that somehow?
22:27.10abrotmandabreegster: there is hd-media somewhere in those directories also
22:27.18stewdabreegster: /msg dpkg i-g
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22:27.23dabreegsterabrotman: ok. that should work, thanks
22:27.24dabreegsterstew: alright
22:27.29gonzaloafNyle, anothers process just use 1 or 2% but xorg is the most cpu eater
22:27.44Nylegonzaloaf: etch?
22:27.59gonzaloafNyle, lenny
22:28.18Nylegot two lennies here
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22:28.52Nylegonzaloaf: I've experiences sometimes xorg takin up too much cpu
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22:29.03stewMatux: please turn that off in here
22:29.13Matuxsorry stem
22:29.16Matuxno mre
22:29.17Nylegonzaloaf: I just restart X once and its good for a few weeks until I run vmware which fucks up my xorg somehow
22:29.19Matuxno more
22:29.35Matuxno away
22:29.39Matuxhere
22:29.41abrotmanyes we got it
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22:30.04Matux:/
22:30.22HviidHow do I get Rsync to run as a server on debian, I tried searching google, but can't really find a good tutorial, could maybe somebody point me in the right direction?
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22:30.53superlatinohello  friends
22:30.57gonzaloafNyle, I have tried that and reconfiguring xorg, but it is sill failing
22:31.12Nylegonzaloaf: you restart xorg and its still hogging cpu?
22:31.13chopsHviid: /etc/init.d/rsync start?
22:31.22stewHviid: try "zless /usr/share/doc/rsync/README.Debian.gz"
22:31.32gonzaloafNyle, yes now when I write letters print very slow
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22:31.35Nylegonzaloaf: I have a fully updated lenny amd64 and lenny32bit and xorg is like 0% cpu
22:31.41stewgonzaloaf: the problem is the 32% is too much of your cpu?
22:31.51gonzaloafNyle, so do  I
22:32.20gonzaloafstew, sometimes Xorg takes 45%
22:32.28Nylestew: laggy slow responding system
22:32.29Hviidstew: line 4: exec: less not found
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22:32.33trazaI left a console working in some other server.. is it possible to catch the screen activity?
22:32.36NyleHviid: install less
22:32.42Nyleor use more
22:32.42stewHviid: zmore then
22:32.57gonzaloafUsing windows and another wm it works ok
22:33.06dabreegsterThose instructions for netinstalling from hd-media assume lilo or grub as a bootloader. I'm pretty sure Windows 98 bootloader doesnt support anything like that. Do I need to put lilo on there first or is there a different way to go about this?
22:33.18Nylegonzaloaf: maybe its not xorg but something else
22:33.33gonzaloafNyle, the problem is how to detect it
22:33.37Hviidstew: line 51: /usr/share/doc/rsync/README.Debian.gz: No such file or directory
22:33.38abrotman!grub floppy
22:33.38dpkgit has been said that grub floppy image is http://packages.debian.org/grub-disk, or http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Creating-a-GRUB-boot-floppy.html
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22:33.57dabreegsterabrotman: that works. thanks.
22:34.04gonzaloafNyle, I suspect the video driver, I have a nvidia card, and use the nv driver
22:34.34Nylei have to go pickup pepper steak w/ onion and white rice with soy sauce, I wish I could help you righ tno
22:34.44abrotman!grub floppy image is also ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/
22:34.48Nylebe back in a few man, if you are stll arond
22:34.48dpkgokay, abrotman
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22:35.03ftp3ok, burned the cd, mounted it, went into the pool dir
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22:35.48abrotmanand?
22:35.55ftp3lol, there are 2 dirs
22:36.02ftp3contrib and current
22:36.09abrotmanokay .. try current
22:36.18gonzaloafwho else can help me?
22:36.22gonzaloafNyle went out
22:36.22ftp3i mean main
22:36.26ftp3not current ;-)
22:36.28abrotmanftp3: it would be in main
22:36.32ftp3trying main
22:36.34abrotmanthen probably 'l'
22:36.41abrotmanthen probably linux-image-2.6
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22:36.56abrotmanor maybe just linux-2.6
22:37.19wolsgonzaloaf: run nv
22:37.43gonzaloafwols, bash: nv: command not found
22:37.43ftp3kernel-image-2.6.24-1-amd64-di_1.31_amd64.udeb
22:37.53abrotmanthat'd be it
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22:38.10ftp3abrotman, ok.. how do I install it?
22:38.14wolsgonzaloaf: it's a X driver
22:38.18abrotmanftp3: dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.24-1-amd64-di_1.31_amd64.udeb
22:38.23wolsgonzaloaf: instead of "nvidia"
22:38.24abrotmanAFAIK anyways
22:38.31gonzaloafwols, I use nv
22:38.39wolsgonzaloaf: then use vesa or nvidia
22:38.45gonzaloafwols, I dont use nvidia
22:38.47stews/kernel-image/linux-image/
22:38.51gonzaloafwols, ok let me change to vesa
22:38.51wolsthen vesa
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22:39.42abrotmanftp3: did it complain ?
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22:40.38gonzaloafwols, wow what a bad resolution
22:40.45ftp3abrotman, not yet
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22:40.53ftp3abrotman, ok its done
22:40.55abrotmangonzaloaf: is it still runnign slow ?
22:40.57ftp3now what? :-)
22:40.58abrotmanftp3: no errors ?
22:40.58wolsgonzaloaf: sucks to use vesa
22:40.59wols:)
22:41.03ftp3abrotman nope
22:41.17stewi laugh a little at the thought of someone switching to vesa for better performance
22:41.19abrotmanftp3: look in /boot/ ... make sure there is a vmlinuz-2.6.24
22:41.27ftp3ok
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22:41.55lunaphytei'm a bit confused regarding ntpd.  according to dpkg, i have version 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-3 installed.  the man page, the usage statement, and the behavior of the binary itself are all appearing to contradict one another.
22:41.56ftp3abrotman, there is not
22:42.02gonzaloafwols, lets wait that my cpu cool down if nv was the problem
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22:42.17gonzaloafwols, the cooler is working at 3230rpm
22:42.22wolsgonzaloaf: you have to run vesa for a bit for the testing :(
22:42.36stewgonzaloaf: if your cpu is overheating with your cpu at 45% then i dont' think the problem is the software
22:42.38abrotmanftp3: go back to the CD directory .. is there a linux-image-2.6.24 ?
22:42.56ftp3abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/929680  thats what i did b4
22:43.02gonzaloafstew, I have tested with anothers wm and windows, and worked fine
22:43.05lunaphytethe man page makes no mention of an argument to return the version number, and neither does the usage statement, yet ntpd --version does do just that.
22:43.26abrotmanftp3: you can paste pretty well for someone with no internet :)
22:43.36gonzaloafwols, cooler is slowing down
22:43.46abrotmanftp3: go to the CD .. and look for a linux-image package
22:43.52ftp3abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/929683
22:44.17lunaphytethe man page indicates i can invoke ntpd with -d or -D for debugging purposes, but the binary doesn't accept those arguments and the usage statement makes no reference to them.
22:44.29lunaphytewhat gives?
22:44.30abrotmanftp3: dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64_2.6.24-4~mtu1_amd64.deb linux-image-2.6-amd64_2.6.24+1~mtu2_amd64.deb
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22:44.37abrotmanftp3: and keep this CD around .. you might need it later
22:44.46ftp3abrotman; the 1u case is open and a 3com card is stuck in it ;-) hehe
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22:44.53abrotmanftp3: you lied to us!
22:44.58ftp33com card with the metal bent
22:45.11ftp3abrotman, no, i cant put that in a rack
22:45.19abrotmanbend the rack?
22:45.21ftp3abrotman, it needs the cover so I can use it
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22:46.12ftp3abrotman, lol.. seriously though, just dpkg that one file
22:46.14ftp3trying
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22:46.58abrotmantwo files .. but yes
22:47.06stewwhy two?
22:47.13abrotmanthe linux-image-2.6-amd64
22:47.27stewi'd think just the more recent would do
22:47.36abrotmanideally it would pull the upgrade at a later date when lenny releases
22:47.42tictachmm. for some reason google maps decides not to work with iceweasel now.
22:47.49ftp3okm done
22:47.55ftp3and there are new files in /boot
22:47.56stewabrotman: or when etch gets a new kernel
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22:48.01abrotmanstew: yes .. or that
22:48.07abrotmanstew: if it ever happens
22:48.14abrotmanftp3: did it update grub ?
22:48.23xannHello, how can I prevent a user to see anything outside his/her home directory?
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22:48.30ftp3yes
22:48.37abrotmanftp3: reboot/pray
22:48.43abrotman!bless ftp3
22:48.44dpkgO $DEITY, bless your child ftp3, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give.  Amen.
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22:48.57ftp3abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/929699
22:49.00ftp3ok, rebooting
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22:49.17abrotmanftp3: did you pray?
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22:49.22stewxann: don't let them have shell access
22:49.30xannhmm
22:49.36xannthey should have
22:49.47xannI particulary want to avoid them seeing "/something"
22:49.55xannlike only 1 directory in the root :)
22:50.02stewxann: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
22:50.18xannk
22:50.32stewxann: you mean you don't even want them to know that /somehting exists?  or you don't want them to be able to view the contents of /something?
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22:51.37abrotmanftp3: did it live?
22:51.37DaemonaxIs OpenGL broken in Lenny?
22:51.47abrotmanDaemonax: you mean for nvidia?
22:51.50azeemDaemonax: OpenGL is a programming API
22:51.56gonzaloafwols, stew, I think the problem was nv, because my video card is colder than when I was using nv, with nv I couldnt even touch it
22:51.58ftp3abrotman; i chose the new kernel in grub menu and it started fine
22:51.59DaemonaxNope, Intel graphics card, so the drivers are Free Software.
22:51.59azeemyou cannot easily break those without breaking the universe
22:52.14abrotmanftp3: does it see your intel NIC ?
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22:52.36ftp3abrotman, well, ifconfig isnt showing it.. how do I tell?
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22:52.46abrotmanftp3: dmesg | grep eth
22:52.53xannstew: I don't want them to know that /something exists, indeed
22:52.54japhbUsing a bog-standard Debian testing system with Gnome, what can I do to thin out the wasted vertical space?  I was thinking of thiner chrome, moving title/menu bars to the side rather than top of the window, and so forth.  Nothing obvious in Preferences -> Appearance ....
22:52.58abrotmanftp3: modprobe e1000e maybe ?
22:52.58stewftp3: "modporbe e1000e" then run "ifconfig -a"
22:53.03Daemonaxazeem: yeah sorry. Not sure how to term it.  I get this error http://rafb.net/p/IokS6f79.html
22:53.07xannstew: Is there a way to archieve this?
22:53.09abrotmanthough i'd think it would have done it on its own
22:53.15JoeThomasHi, on startup I get X font server starting and samba, how can I turn these off on startup? Also if I turn these off on boot, when i type startx, will the font server be started?
22:53.16DaemonaxHave the GLX libs been removed because of the licensing issue or something?
22:53.17wolsgonzaloaf: nv shouldn't create heat
22:53.27abrotmanDaemonax: no
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22:53.44abrotmanDaemonax: which game is that?
22:54.01gonzaloafwols, I whant way could slow down my system?
22:54.02wolsazeem: letting MS design an API is "breaking the universe now"?  I guess then we better hide now
22:54.04ftp3sweet
22:54.09abrotmanftp3: this is good ?
22:54.10ftp3seems to be there.. will try and config it
22:54.17abrotmanftp3: shall we do-si-do?
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22:54.20wolsgonzaloaf: noclock or get adequate cooling
22:54.30wolsgonzaloaf: nvclock rather
22:54.32xannstew: actually I just don't want them to be able to move/do anything outside their home-directory
22:54.44gonzaloafwols, now xorg is takin 5% of cpu
22:54.48Daemonaxabrotman: urbanterror, but glxgears doesn't work either. It'll run, but it's using the CPU.
22:54.51stewxann: so just don't give them shell access
22:54.59abrotmanDaemonax: so your DRI is misconfigured
22:55.46xannstew: I've seen this being possible on other shells (I've used them myself)
22:55.46wolsgonzaloaf: what card?
22:55.46DaemonaxYeah, I was just thinking thing.
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22:55.46stewxann: if you run "chmod o-r /" they wouldn't be able to "ls /" but they'd still be able to "cd /something" or "ls /something" if they know it exists until you take away that access
22:55.46xannah
22:55.46xannnice
22:55.46xannthx
22:55.57stewxann: but running a shell is doing something outsided their home (it is running a binary in /bin or /usr/bin)
22:56.46xannyeah but the /usr/bin or /bin would still have execute access right?
22:56.51xannso that wouldn't be a problem
22:57.26stewxann: yes, but you seem to be saying that you don't want them to have that right
22:57.33gonzaloafwols, product: NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]
22:58.37wolsshould have any bugs anymore for that chip...
22:59.42xannstew: I can do with the fact that they must first know that something exists, so thanks :)
23:00.38ftp3yayayayaaya it worked!  Thank you!!
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23:01.41enoufgonzaloaf: remember i asked you when we discussed cpufreqd and acpi and such; if windows was scaling down your CPU using SpeedStep tech with your Prescott? Did you ever find out?
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23:01.49gonzaloafwols, I used nv before ... well should I report the bug? I dont know how to explain that
23:02.36gonzaloafenouf, nop, but I tested another wm, and the problem disappeared
23:02.50enoufgonzaloaf: window manager? which one?
23:02.59gonzaloafenouf, icewm and twm
23:03.03enoufgonzaloaf: and as opposed to?
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23:04.13enoufgonzaloaf: those still need the XServer, so, i don't get it - you're saying your WM is making your Geforce card overheat?
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23:05.07stewxann: if the mere knowledge that a directory exists is a problem, i'd recommend rethinking what you are doing.  if you don't trust someone to even know that a directory exists, i'd rethink whether or not you should really trust them with shell access
23:06.07gonzaloafenouf, now I am using gnome but changed the video driver nv for vesa, and its apparently working ok, I have to test it longer
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23:07.00dabreegsterif i run qemu on 98 and load up the netinstall bootcd image, should i be able to bootstrap the install from 98 thru qemu? after it partitions, isnt there a reboot anyway?
23:07.14enoufgonzaloaf: are you running compiz or anything? weird .. gonzaloaf what's cat /proc/cmdline say?
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23:07.34stewdabreegster: there isn't a reboot during the install process
23:07.38gonzaloafenouf, nop and root=/dev/hdb1 ro vga=791
23:07.59enoufdabreegster: maybe http://goodbye-windows.com is for you
23:08.15enoufgonzaloaf: ok
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23:08.36gonzaloafenouf, everything ok?
23:08.41pand0raHi, is it safe to remove {/var/log/installer}?
23:08.43dabreegsterenouf: ill take a look. the problem is that im not confident about setting up a netboot server and i lack the cd drive for it
23:08.45enoufyeah, with that anyway
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23:08.59stewpand0ra: yes
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23:09.05gonzaloafenouf, I got to go... but i'll be back in a minute to continue ok?
23:09.08pand0rastew: alright thanks.
23:09.08dabreegsterenouf: ah. that loader is perfect, thanks.
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23:09.11gonzaloafthanks for the help to all
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23:09.28pand0raalso what is exim4?
23:09.38stewpand0ra: the default MTA in debian
23:09.42pablohi, do you recommend buting a widescreen or a normal lcd?
23:09.48pand0rastew: alright thank you.
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23:10.05pand0raHow can I remove it?
23:10.14stewpand0ra: what are you going to replace it with?
23:10.28Pryonpablo: Are you planning on watching a lot of video in an aspect ratio other than 4/3?
23:10.29pand0rastew: why do I need it if I'm not using mail on the machine?
23:10.40stewpand0ra: so that the system can send you email
23:10.45pabloPryon: nop
23:10.47enoufpablo: widescreen is ok, if that's what you desire
23:10.55pand0rastew: ehh? Such as errors, etc?
23:11.06stewpand0ra: yes, output of cronjobs, for instance
23:11.25pand0rastew: oh okay, nevermind then :] Thanks haha was about to remove
23:11.30enoufpablo: the newer uvesafb also now helps with weirdo resolutions in console, iinm
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23:12.00amphipablo: widescreen is more properly known as 'shortscreen' ;)
23:12.12enoufamphi: haha
23:12.21amphi;)
23:12.37Pryonpablo: Then I'd say go with a monitor that gives you the best resolution for your money.
23:12.48enoufreminded me of a shortstack of pancakes O_o
23:13.10stew"best"
23:13.23amphienouf: being able to see more lines is a plus IMHO; longer lines is counter-productive
23:13.28v|fhi! does anyone have a quick fix for: http://bugs.debian.org/466643
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23:13.53Pryonwhere best==most suited to your needs :-)
23:14.12FiendishF1shDoes anyone know what process controls spamassasin?
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23:18.11dkrFiendishF1sh: spamd ?
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23:18.52FiendishF1shdkr, thanks :3
23:18.57FiendishF1shAny idea what spamassasin actually is?
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23:25.03dkrFiendishF1sh: was that a joke? :)
23:25.21FiendishF1shNo :<
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23:25.37FiendishF1shI mean, I understand GENERALLY what it is, due to the self explanatory name.
23:25.54dkraptitude show packagename  gives you a description
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23:30.11jimis there a card that plugs into a PCI slot that has a fully implemented cardbus slot?
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23:31.44\amethystjim: googling carbus PCI adapter find bunches
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23:31.50\amethystjim:  err, cardbus
23:31.59jimahh yes, you're right
23:32.06jimfound one for 20 bux!
23:32.31\amethystyou don't mind having the card slot in the back of the computer/
23:32.34\amethyst?
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23:33.24jimwell
23:33.42FiendishF1shOk, I'm trying to run psybnc and I done netstat -l to check if it's running and it says: tcp        0      0 host.ADOMAIN.com:783  *:*  LISTEN
23:33.43jimif it could be in front that might be better
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23:34.01FiendishF1shBut when I try connect to it with /server host.com 783 it doesn't work
23:34.11abrotmanFiendishF1sh: firewall in between ?
23:34.33FiendishF1shHow do I check if iptables has any rules, it's for a friend.
23:35.06gonzaloafis possible to use in lenny the debian's nvidia driver?
23:35.17stewFiendishF1sh: run "iptables -t tablename -L -n" for each of the 4 tables (man iptables)
23:35.27FiendishF1shabrotman, Can I check if iptables has a rule for the specific port?
23:35.42stewgonzaloaf: yes
23:35.46Serajewe1KSFiendishF1sh: not easisly
23:35.57Serajewe1KSFiendishF1sh: it may be part of a range, for example, and you can't grep for that
23:36.00Serajewe1KSeasily*
23:36.05abrotmanFiendishF1sh: if iptables is running it likely has a total block with exceptions for what is needed
23:36.06gonzaloafstew, ok thanks
23:36.36FiendishF1shabrotman, I'm just testing something, 783 was the port for spam assasin, now I'm trying to run psybnc on it, can you think of any possible problem, if spamassasin worked over it?
23:37.00abrotmando you use SA remotely?
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23:37.15gonzaloafstew, no tricky right?
23:38.30stewgonzaloaf: "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv" would install it, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to select it
23:38.43FiendishF1shabrotman, guess he does.
23:38.53abrotmannot likely
23:38.53gonzaloafstew, no no
23:39.02gonzaloafstew, I dont want to use nv, I want nvidia
23:39.23SerajewelKS!nvidie one-liner
23:39.27SerajewelKS!nvidieaone-liner
23:39.35SerajewelKS!nvidia one-liner
23:39.35dpkgit has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
23:39.37SerajewelKSgod...
23:39.48Nyleyes?
23:39.51craigevilhehe its all in the spelling
23:39.57Nyleno craigevil
23:40.01SerajewelKS!smite Nyle
23:40.01Nyleits all in the hips
23:40.05Nyleits all in the hips..
23:40.28gonzaloafSerajewelKS, is it outdated? !nvidia
23:40.36Nyleif you are not familiar with adam sandler then its not in the hips
23:40.37gonzaloaf!nvidia
23:40.40dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
23:40.54SerajewelKSgonzaloaf: no
23:41.07gonzaloafSerajewelKS, because there says that I have to set a mixed testing/unstable system in order to install the nvidia driver
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23:41.26Nylewiki is old/outdated
23:41.30\amethystdpkg, nvidia post-etch is <reply> see nvidia_post_etch
23:41.31dpkgokay, \amethyst
23:41.38craigevilnvidia was snarfed in testing a while back might still be
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23:41.51Nylecraigevil: I use ati
23:41.53Nylefglrx
23:42.02Nylenvidia can kiss my ass
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23:42.16craigevilnvidia works just fine in sid even with my crappy 6200 pci card
23:42.23Nylenvidia is great
23:42.29NyleI used to own a 7600gs, I recently sold it
23:42.42Nylenow I'm stuck with this piece of shit radeon x1900
23:43.00rrboxwhat's the default WM for desktop environment install ?
23:43.06Nylegnome
23:43.14rrboxk
23:43.15Nylerrbox: don't use anything from tasksel
23:43.20gonzaloaf\amethyst, nvidia_post_etch, outdated
23:43.33craigeviltiny little yard gnomes
23:43.35rrboxahh k
23:44.00rrboxNyle: so no standard system either, what comes with that ?
23:44.11Nylerrbox: don't worry about it for now
23:44.23Nylerrbox: do NOT select anything in that window, and move on and finish installing
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23:44.39Nylerrbox: you can list/view/even modify the tasks of tasksel
23:44.51rrboxthat'll work
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23:44.59Nylerrbox: if you need it you can use it later.  man tasksel would tell you how to see whats in the diff tasks
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23:45.12kanzureWhere can I get wmake?
23:45.19kanzure!dpkg wmake
23:45.20jimstandard system, no x (server, libs, client, libs), emacs, tex, compilers, basic shell tools
23:45.32jimwhat's wmake?
23:45.36Nylelike --task-packages standard
23:45.40Nylelike --task-packages desktop
23:45.41kanzurejim: required for OpenFOAM apparently.
23:45.42Nyleetc. etc.
23:45.43jimif you can get its source, you can build it
23:46.02gonzaloafcraigevil, so if I use testing I shouldt use nvidia ?
23:46.32kdean06I backgrounded a dist-upgrade to compare config files and I don't know how to resume the upgrade. I didn't find info relevant to apt-get specifically on Google and man dpkg/apt-get didn't mention it either. How can I resume the upgrade?
23:46.32Nylegonzaloaf: you can still use it, just that nvidia packages in debian are probably fucked for lenny
23:46.46Nylefg
23:46.50craigevil*shrugs* hell if i know never used testing, i run sid
23:46.59gonzaloafNyle, as I said before, I'll maybe have to set a mixed system
23:47.15Nylegonzaloaf: no don't do that
23:47.27gonzaloafNyle, ok
23:47.32Nylegonzaloaf: what is the issue?
23:47.52Nylegonzaloaf: you want to use nv or nvidia?
23:48.00gonzaloafNyle, I changed the nv driver for vesa and now my cpu is working ok, but the resolution of vesa sucks, I have to use another thing
23:48.20gonzaloafNyle, but ever nv
23:48.33Nylegonzaloaf: a coherent thought, please.
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23:48.45Nylesentence*
23:49.27dabreegstergoodbye-windows.com, though a great idea, failed. 404 when trying to dl grub.exe. dug through the source but couldnt find where it wanted it from. any other way to bootstrap the install process from within 98? qemu was giving me trouble as well
23:49.38Nylethere is no such thing as grub.exe
23:49.39gonzaloafNyle, remember that my cpu was overheating?
23:49.58Nylegrub for NT is located in c:\menu.lst and c:\grldr
23:50.01Nyleyou mean
23:50.04Nyle!debian.exe
23:50.04dpkg[debian.exe] the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst.  Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig).
23:50.23Nylegonzaloaf: ahh yes I do
23:50.26Nylegonzaloaf: but not really
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23:50.49Nylegonzaloaf: you switched to vesa driver and no more cp problems? so nv driver was causing Xorg to be 40% cpu?
23:50.53gonzaloafNyle, ok wols told me to change the nv driver for vesa, and now it is working ok, but the dpi of vesa sucks
23:51.01enoufNyle: win98 is not NT
23:51.02Nylegonzaloaf: but now vesa's resolution sucks?
23:51.04gonzaloafNyle, it seems
23:51.04dabreegsterNyle: that'll work. someone recommended goodbye-windows, which ends up looking for grub.exe
23:51.06Nylegonzaloaf: why don't you just use nvidia?
23:51.18Nyledabreegster: that is not correct
23:51.22gonzaloafNyle, because I have a testing system
23:51.23enouf!goodbye-windows.com
23:51.24dpkghttp://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com
23:51.27dabreegsterNyle: wait thats the same site.
23:51.38enoufyes, yes it is
23:51.40gonzaloafNyle, I mean lenny
23:51.41dabreegsterNyle: i ran that multiple times. it got linux.img and the initrd.gz
23:51.45Nylealso
23:51.48kdean06Nyle, I would use the PID to resume a backgrounded job in that manner, no? That does not work, fg claims the dpkg job number does not exist.
23:51.49Nyleit is not SIDE BY SIDE
23:51.49dabreegsterNyle: then tried to download grub.exe, which failed
23:51.53Nylefor fucks sake
23:51.55Nyleits a fucking dual boot
23:52.00Nyleside by side is fucking colinux
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23:52.09Nylegodamnit terminology confusing people too
23:52.15Nyleand pissin me off
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23:52.45NyleI need a bong hit
23:53.07Nylekdean06: that is weird
23:53.09craigevilbah just get the etch netinstall cd and dualboot
23:53.11Nylekdean06: you can see the pid?
23:53.15nevynside by side?
23:53.17nevynWTF
23:53.35enoufdabreegster: make sure you follow any instructions pertaining to 98 and fat16/32, not NT, though fat16 and NT could co-exist, it's unlikely
23:53.37kdean06Yes, of both the dpkg and apt-get processes.
23:53.53dabreegsteri'm not trying to dual-boot
23:53.53gonzaloafhello, does anybody here could install the debian nvidia driver in lenny?
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23:54.13dabreegsteri'm trying to install lenny completely, but i dont have a cd drive so normal netinstall is out of the question and netboot looks complicated
23:54.15enoufdabreegster: do you have 98 up and running?
23:54.18dabreegsterenouf: yes
23:54.21Nylekdean06: what does 'bg' list
23:54.33Nylekdean06: are the dpkg/apt jobs listed in 'bg'?
23:54.37enoufdabreegster: ok, something is failing somewhere - perhaps you can email the maintainer
23:54.58Nyledabreegster: netboot is easy
23:54.59dabreegsterenouf: i stated the issue on the irc channel
23:55.03Nyledabreegster: which OS is on yoru disk right now?
23:55.12dabreegsterNyle: 98 on the laptop. the bios can do netboot
23:55.37Nyledabreegster: ok, that won't help
23:55.39dabreegsterNyle: but i'm not positive how to set up the server on my end. i'll reread the guide and try it out, but i was just hoping thered be an easier way to bootstrap it from windows
23:55.44enoufcraigevil: no working cd drive for dabreegster ;-)
23:56.01Nyledabreegster: if you have one machine only forget netbooting
23:56.09Nylewell, you CAN use netboot, but not pxeboot
23:56.10kdean06bg says "current: no such job" and displays usage, without a switch to list current jobs, so I'm assuming it doesn't "see" them either.
23:56.11dabreegsterenouf: the guy just didnt give it to me yet. or the right power adaptor. i sure hope 24V ac wont fry a 14v battery. :P
23:56.13enoufSBM is another option, if the cd drive works, but just has trouble booting - hey look!, it's rube!
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23:56.26dabreegsterNyle: i have 2. the 98 box and my working debian box right now
23:56.29Nyledabreegster: and for windows 98, debian.exe will NOT work
23:56.39Nyledabreegster: which box needs debian?
23:56.41dabreegsterNyle: it said 95 and up excluding me
23:56.44dabreegsterNyle: the 98 one
23:56.49dabreegsterNyle: the laptop without a cd drive
23:56.50Nyledabreegster: you need grub for dos
23:56.53Nylenot grub for NT
23:56.57martianixorhi, guys I'm having troubles sudoing to root
23:57.00Nyledebian.exe is specific to xp
23:57.03enoufdabreegster: grub4dos
23:57.07martianixorwhen I do sudo su, I get nothing
23:57.08dabreegsterenouf: ok
23:57.16enouf!grub4dos
23:57.20enoufhrm
23:57.22abrotmandabreegster: there is a floppy you can download, boot off .. use the hd-media ?
23:57.24dabreegsterand i'm assuming i can tell grub to load from an iso i've slapped on c:\?
23:57.30Nyleyou need grub for dos, and then download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz and follow the instructions in the install guide
23:57.33NyleVERY easy
23:57.34martianixorI'm still being able to sudo aptitude for instance without being asked for passwd or anything
23:57.38enoufand netboot with hd-media is another option
23:57.48dabreegsterabrotman: the floppy kept failing with "loading stage 2... read error." tried multiple floppies.
23:57.48Nyleenouf: which I advise anyway
23:57.55enoufjust seemed, d/l and boot; done
23:58.03dabreegsterI'll try that. Thanks.
23:58.04Nyledabreegster: download the netinst iso + netboot kernel/initrd
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23:58.17kdean06Oh my...
23:58.26Nyledabreegster: installations are quicker and more reliable that way
23:58.27Nyleer..
23:58.27Nylefuck
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23:58.35Nyledabreegster: netinst iso + hd-media*
23:58.42kdean06Nyle, It appears it spawns a new shell. CTRL+D took me back. I feel dumb. Thanks for the assist.
23:58.43dabreegsterNyle: alright
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23:58.55Nylekdean06: sure
23:58.58paul__hi, can anyone else me with QoS / monitoring traffic per IP where each ip is bound to the same interface?
23:59.11paul__or a way around it :/
23:59.14Nylekdean06: just remember, if a job isn't listed in bg, you can't use fg
23:59.22martianixorI can't even use the root terminal !
23:59.27Nylevery simple, you can't clap without hands ;)
23:59.29kdean06:)

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