| 00:00.14 | martianixor | and of course I can't get to the logs |
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| 00:00.26 | abrotman | martianixor: how did you break it? |
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| 00:00.38 | martianixor | abrotman: I didn't break anything ! |
| 00:00.47 | abrotman | martianixor: which version of debian? |
| 00:00.57 | martianixor | abrotman: Lenny |
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| 00:01.09 | martianixor | abrotman: the only related thing I've done was doing the following |
| 00:01.19 | martianixor | chsh -s /bin/true mpd |
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| 00:01.34 | abrotman | martianixor: when is the last time you updated ? |
| 00:01.41 | abrotman | vs the last time you tried su/sudo |
| 00:01.47 | martianixor | abrotman: actually I'm updating right now |
| 00:01.52 | Nyle | is sudo bad? |
| 00:02.00 | martianixor | abrotman: last time was today's morning |
| 00:02.04 | abrotman | Nyle: depends how it is used |
| 00:02.06 | Nyle | I mean, security wise |
| 00:02.09 | martianixor | abrotman: and I know something now |
| 00:02.17 | abrotman | martianixor: so you can su ? |
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| 00:02.29 | martianixor | abrotman: I've found /etc/sudo.dpkg-bkp |
| 00:02.32 | martianixor | abrotman: :D |
| 00:02.44 | martianixor | abrotman: does it sound familier? |
| 00:02.51 | abrotman | not to me .. it's your system |
| 00:02.57 | Nyle | I was thinking, debian offers a medium priority option to install sudo and disable root password, while in ubuntu it isn't an option, it is installed by default |
| 00:03.12 | Nyle | I am wondering why debian chose to not default to sudo on installs |
| 00:03.16 | martianixor | abrotman: could that be the last update ! |
| 00:03.21 | abrotman | martianixor: could be |
| 00:03.29 | abrotman | Nyle: because it's not always useful |
| 00:03.32 | martianixor | abrotman: the mailing list then |
| 00:03.41 | abrotman | martianixor: the mailing list? |
| 00:03.45 | enouf | Nyle: and/or abrotman just to clear things up in my head; in dabreegster's situation does 1) debootstrap reguire; + grub floppy + netinstaller? ...and 2) does net*boot* need netinstaller?, and if so, would just a netinstaller ISO suffice? or would that need to be burned to CD? |
| 00:03.45 | Nyle | abrotman: in which situations would it not be useful? |
| 00:04.03 | martianixor | abrotman: I mean I think I should monitor the mailing lists for any issues with the latest updates |
| 00:04.12 | Nyle | enouf: allow m |
| 00:04.14 | Nyle | e |
| 00:04.14 | abrotman | Nyle: if you're hte only user on the system what does it really offer you? |
| 00:04.25 | abrotman | most of the people seem to jsut configure sudo for ALL:ALL |
| 00:04.31 | Nyle | abrotman: me too |
| 00:04.33 | abrotman | martianixor: or check the BTS |
| 00:04.49 | martianixor | abrotman: yes that, I didn't mean the mailing lists yeah |
| 00:04.52 | abrotman | enouf: i thought he couldn't boot ? |
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| 00:04.57 | Nyle | enouf: 1) no. Consult the IG regarding debootstrap method. |
| 00:05.06 | abrotman | enouf: i thought he'd use the hd-media and a grub floppy |
| 00:05.07 | Nyle | enouf: 2) no. |
| 00:05.32 | enouf | abrotman: i understood him to mean, just no working CD drive, but does have a floppy, and can netboot |
| 00:05.38 | enouf | Nyle: thanks |
| 00:05.42 | Nyle | enouf: 2) netboot is the kernel + ramdisk which will download the debian installer |
| 00:05.52 | enouf | memdisk, aye |
| 00:05.53 | Nyle | enouf: netinst is a iso image that contains the intaller + base system |
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| 00:06.08 | Nyle | enouf: if you use a netboot with a netinst cd, nothing will happen |
| 00:06.16 | abrotman | Nyle: some of the ways that people try to use sudo doesn't offer them any added security |
| 00:06.26 | Nyle | enouf: if you use a netinst cd with hd-media, it will use the cdrom to downlaod the installer/base system |
| 00:06.29 | enouf | Nyle: i see - so with netboot + hd-media, if no wifi support, you're dead |
| 00:06.36 | Nyle | pretty much |
| 00:06.40 | Nyle | depending on the chipset |
| 00:06.47 | enouf | i mean, if no wifi, or any networking support |
| 00:06.50 | xsdg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:06.57 | enouf | Nyle: ok, got it |
| 00:06.58 | Nyle | abrotman: which is why I asked about the security model of sudo in debian vs. ubuntu |
| 00:07.12 | abrotman | Nyle: do you think it seems more secure? |
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| 00:07.19 | Nyle | utterly useless |
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| 00:07.49 | Nyle | though it DOES make things a tad less annoying for the only user on the system, IF he does not wish to login as root |
| 00:07.53 | Nyle | or use su. |
| 00:08.22 | FiendishF1sh | Why isn't : rename shadow.tar.gz newname.tar.gz |
| 00:08.22 | enouf | abrotman: i thought so too, and he likely will, i had suggested trying maybe the goodbye-windows.com method for ease, and he did try and failed (for reasons, i don't know, whether it's buggy, or he grabbed some wrong file, or wrong procedure) |
| 00:08.23 | FiendishF1sh | working |
| 00:08.24 | abrotman | only as long the timeout remains |
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| 00:08.33 | Nyle | 15 minutes by default |
| 00:08.37 | Nyle | I think |
| 00:08.40 | dabreegster | enouf, Nyle: i might just bug the guy for the cd drive. i've got the net install iso on C:\ and now i'm struggling with wingrub a bit, but i'll get it |
| 00:08.51 | Corty | hi |
| 00:08.57 | Nyle | dabreegster: that won't help |
| 00:08.59 | abrotman | right .. and if you've all the "root" abilities .. you can screw up your system pretty badly by accident |
| 00:09.17 | martianixor | abrotman: this is suspecious |
| 00:09.30 | Nyle | I always install debian with sudo |
| 00:09.36 | abrotman | martianixor: did someone eat all your food too ? |
| 00:09.44 | martianixor | abrotman: I did sudo mv /etc/init.d/sudo.dpkg-bak /etc/init.d/sudo |
| 00:09.45 | Nyle | never logged in as root in a long time |
| 00:10.02 | martianixor | abrotman: then sudo /etc/init.d/sudo start |
| 00:10.07 | dabreegster | Nyle: i thought that was the resolution. point grub at the hd-media -- oh. i dont need the netinst iso at all. just linux and initrd and grub |
| 00:10.08 | FiendishF1sh | Why can't I rename files using rename :/ |
| 00:10.10 | martianixor | abrotman: and of course I got it working again |
| 00:10.21 | xsdg | FiendishF1sh: man rename |
| 00:10.22 | Nyle | dabreegster: you got it |
| 00:10.22 | abrotman | martianixor: so what's the difference between the files ? |
| 00:10.30 | abrotman | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 00:10.35 | dabreegster | Nyle: alright. now i grok. thanks. |
| 00:10.41 | Nyle | yw |
| 00:10.48 | xsdg | FiendishF1sh: what you actually want is the `mv` command, though |
| 00:10.56 | martianixor | abrotman: there weren't files it was only one that was moved from sudo to sudo.dpkg-bkp |
| 00:11.02 | Nyle | ooooooooooooh my brother is gonna buy me a bong for my bday |
| 00:11.09 | abrotman | martianixor: okay then |
| 00:11.11 | FiendishF1sh | xsdg, mv moves files ;/ |
| 00:11.12 | Nyle | 7 more days |
| 00:11.17 | Nyle | next wed. i'll be 27 hehe |
| 00:11.20 | Nyle | fuck im old. |
| 00:11.27 | martianixor | FiendishF1sh: it wasn't moved by me |
| 00:11.33 | martianixor | FiendishF1sh: I moved it to fix the issue |
| 00:11.37 | martianixor | FiendishF1sh: :D |
| 00:11.41 | enouf | FiendishF1sh: use mv |
| 00:11.44 | martianixor | FiendishF1sh: it's the last update |
| 00:11.45 | Nyle | I started using debian around march in 2001 |
| 00:11.59 | Nyle | so quite literally, on my bday I guess i'd been using it 7 years? |
| 00:12.01 | Nyle | 6 years? |
| 00:12.03 | Nyle | i can't math |
| 00:12.05 | enouf | FiendishF1sh: rename is good for batch renaming |
| 00:12.20 | aawd | hmm, why does aptitude also install php4-cgi when installing lighttpd? |
| 00:12.26 | FiendishF1sh | root@host [/home/dir/]# tar xzvf dsf.tar.gz |
| 00:12.26 | FiendishF1sh | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
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| 00:12.31 | Nyle | !depends lighthttpd |
| 00:12.41 | aawd | the problem is that I want php5, not 4 |
| 00:12.48 | enouf | FiendishF1sh: readlink -f `which rename` it's a perl based util, iinm |
| 00:12.48 | martianixor | FiendishF1sh: oh sorry, that issue made me go nuts for a while |
| 00:12.49 | peppe | FiendishF1sh: file dsf.tar.gz |
| 00:12.52 | ix | FiendishF1sh: use "file" |
| 00:13.06 | Nyle | hm |
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| 00:13.16 | FiendishF1sh | dsf.tar.gz: tar archive |
| 00:13.24 | peppe | so don't use z |
| 00:13.30 | Nyle | ahh |
| 00:13.33 | peppe | it isn't gzipped |
| 00:13.36 | Nyle | aawd: its a recommended package |
| 00:13.39 | FiendishF1sh | Why does it say it is then, filthy liers xD |
| 00:13.42 | Nyle | I think becuase its not in depends list |
| 00:13.51 | Nyle | aawd: use apt-get and it will probably not et installed |
| 00:13.52 | gribouille | hi |
| 00:14.04 | Nyle | aawd: or tell aptitude to not install recomends |
| 00:14.06 | xsdg | FiendishF1sh: there is no real connection between the name of a file and its contents |
| 00:14.14 | Nyle | aawd: /msg dpkg aptitude basics |
| 00:14.20 | xsdg | FiendishF1sh: in most cases, they match, but sometimes they don't, for any of a number of reasons |
| 00:14.36 | xsdg | abrotman: debian bob? Is that like MS Bob? |
| 00:14.47 | abrotman | xsdg: maybe .. you'll have to use file to find out :) |
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| 00:14.54 | drcode | hi all |
| 00:14.54 | Nyle | !seen bob2 |
| 00:14.54 | dpkg | bob2 <n=bob4@ble59-5-82-233-207-9.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 560d 23h 47m 12s ago, saying: 'guerin fake ass yoursel'. |
| 00:15.00 | Nyle | wow |
| 00:15.01 | xsdg | oh, wow |
| 00:15.01 | enouf | mv ./debian.bob.arggggg ./abrotman-clippy |
| 00:15.04 | peppe | xsdg: but this one smoke joints and plays reggae |
| 00:15.11 | Nyle | almost 2 years |
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| 00:15.19 | Nyle | peppe: who? |
| 00:15.22 | Nyle | what? |
| 00:15.24 | peppe | Nyle: bob |
| 00:15.28 | Nyle | where? |
| 00:15.43 | Nyle | what? |
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| 00:15.44 | st0n3d | Nyle sounds like my kinda dood. |
| 00:15.47 | enouf | Nyle: funny, i saw you ask about stew yesterday or something, and wham, he's here today ;-) |
| 00:15.54 | Nyle | yup |
| 00:16.10 | Nyle | its like I have powers |
| 00:16.14 | Nyle | you now |
| 00:16.18 | Nyle | know* |
| 00:16.22 | xsdg | !seen netsnipe |
| 00:16.22 | dpkg | netsnipe <n=netsnipe@wikipedia/Netsnipe> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 148d 10h 55m 7s ago, saying: 'abrotman: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist doesn't work'. |
| 00:16.24 | enouf | i noticed 40+ days then .. yeah, you got the good shit man O_o |
| 00:16.26 | st0n3d | ouuu typo powers. |
| 00:16.27 | gribouille | can someone tell me where the format of the "dpkg -l" command is explained (it is not explained in the manual pages for dpkg nor dpkg-query) ? |
| 00:16.31 | xsdg | oh, man... that's surprisingly recent |
| 00:16.38 | FiendishF1sh | After reading man gcc, several times I still don't understand how to compile a C file, what's th esyntax for input? -i? |
| 00:16.39 | Nyle | gribouille: yes it is |
| 00:16.53 | gribouille | Nyle, where ? |
| 00:16.54 | xsdg | FiendishF1sh: gcc -o <outputfilename> <inputfilename.c> |
| 00:16.55 | st0n3d | FiendishF1sh: gcc file.c -o file.bin |
| 00:16.57 | enouf | gribouille: er -l or -I ? |
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| 00:17.02 | xsdg | FiendishF1sh: the gcc manpage won't get you anywhere :o) |
| 00:17.05 | gribouille | enouf, --list |
| 00:17.07 | Nyle | -l, --list package-name-pattern... List packages matching given pattern. |
| 00:17.15 | Nyle | regex |
| 00:17.17 | dkr | FiendishF1sh: the info pages are more informative than the man pages for gcc |
| 00:17.18 | Nyle | have fun |
| 00:17.28 | peppe | FiendishF1sh: come on, there are *TONS* of linux C programming howtos on google... |
| 00:17.30 | gribouille | Nyle, but the format of the output is not explained |
| 00:17.36 | dkr | but also, you should read some basic programming guides |
| 00:17.43 | abrotman | gribouille: at the top .. in the header |
| 00:17.46 | enouf | gribouille: next time, man dpkg, hit '/' , type in list, hit Enter |
| 00:17.46 | Nyle | gribouille: I'm sorry? |
| 00:17.48 | peppe | gribouille: look at top |
| 00:18.00 | Nyle | enouf: easy to just to /-l |
| 00:18.04 | Nyle | brings you right to it |
| 00:18.15 | enouf | Nyle: i know - didn't want to confuse him |
| 00:18.19 | Nyle | haha |
| 00:18.30 | Nyle | I just read 'didn't want to configure him' |
| 00:18.32 | Nyle | heh heh heh ehehehe |
| 00:18.42 | Nyle | i need to rest |
| 00:18.47 | abrotman | gribouille: see it ? |
| 00:19.26 | enouf | Nyle: and sometimes, certain chars aren't searchable easily - i can't recall which ones off the top of my head atm, i'm getting tired too |
| 00:19.38 | Nyle | enouf: what time you got? |
| 00:19.47 | st0n3d | Nyle: lay off the fake dope :D |
| 00:19.50 | enouf | 19:19 ? |
| 00:20.05 | peppe | gribouille: the first column gives you the "desired" status of the package, the second one its actual status, the third one the error (if there's an error), then package name, version, description. it's very simple |
| 00:20.10 | gribouille | what does "rc language-support-en" mean ? |
| 00:20.14 | Nyle | 19 |
| 00:20.16 | Nyle | 7 |
| 00:20.25 | Nyle | enouf: you're in eastern time zone? |
| 00:20.27 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:20.30 | Nyle | word |
| 00:20.48 | peppe | gribouille: look at top! r: you want that package to be REMOVED, c: that package still has config files (it has not been purged) |
| 00:21.13 | gribouille | the output is not very clear |
| 00:21.13 | Nyle | whoah hang on |
| 00:21.15 | abrotman | gribouille: read the top .. see where the letters point |
| 00:21.17 | Nyle | someone is using my nickname |
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| 00:21.39 | Nyle | stoned (n=efnet@27.9.202.62.fix.bluewin.ch |
| 00:21.40 | FiendishF1sh | : warning: Using 'setpwent' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking |
| 00:21.47 | peppe | gribouille: yeah, maybe you've to know a little bit of debian package management.. :( |
| 00:21.50 | enouf | haha |
| 00:21.51 | FiendishF1sh | What would I need to download? |
| 00:22.03 | gribouille | peppe, I do |
| 00:22.11 | peppe | FiendishF1sh: what are you doing? are you compiling statically? |
| 00:22.15 | stoned | ghosted that sob |
| 00:22.27 | peppe | gribouille: so what's the problem? |
| 00:22.31 | FiendishF1sh | peppe, Just compiling a scritp ;/ |
| 00:22.33 | FiendishF1sh | script |
| 00:22.36 | st0n3d | stoned: huh? A twin?!? |
| 00:22.40 | stoned | gribouille: what is so confusing? |
| 00:22.59 | stoned | st0n3d: the original since 2001 |
| 00:23.04 | peppe | FiendishF1sh: a "script"? which script? paste on pastebin the script and the commands you give |
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| 00:23.12 | FiendishF1sh | peppe, Nevermind, it seemed to work?! |
| 00:23.20 | stoned | well on and off |
| 00:23.25 | FiendishF1sh | Thanks anyway! |
| 00:23.38 | peppe | FiendishF1sh: if gcc gives you that warning you're doing something wrong |
| 00:23.44 | abrotman | gribouille: figure it out yet? |
| 00:23.56 | gribouille | abrotman, I'm trying |
| 00:24.02 | stoned | its self explanatory pretty much my man |
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| 00:24.16 | kornholijo | hello, i have my wifi module compiled myself, and I want to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.20.. I followed a tutorial, but still in question, will my wifi module still work or it would need to be recompiled? |
| 00:24.25 | abrotman | recompiled |
| 00:24.28 | peppe | FiendishF1sh: setpwent... are you compiling an exploit? |
| 00:24.30 | peppe | :P |
| 00:24.35 | gribouille | the header is Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 00:24.35 | gribouille | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend |
| 00:24.35 | gribouille | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 00:24.35 | gribouille | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 00:24.35 | gribouille | +++-==========================================-====================================-============================================ |
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| 00:24.48 | o2T7 | Which is the block size on ext3? |
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| 00:25.06 | kornholijo | abrotman: but if i have 2 different kernels that i boot?.. recompile on each startup? |
| 00:25.13 | stoned | depends on what you set it |
| 00:25.19 | stoned | 1k, 2k, 4k blocks |
| 00:25.19 | abrotman | gribouille: what you don't understand ? |
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| 00:25.21 | gribouille | can someone explain the header to me ? |
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| 00:25.32 | abrotman | gribouille: see the capital letters? |
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| 00:25.38 | o2T7 | stoned: How could I see its value now? |
| 00:25.48 | peppe | o2T7: stat [a file] |
| 00:25.53 | gribouille | abrotman, yes |
| 00:25.56 | LimCore_ | gribouille: paste less at a time, or use a paster; i is for installed |
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| 00:26.20 | abrotman | o2T7: dumpe2fs |
| 00:26.27 | abrotman | gribouille: that's the status |
| 00:26.39 | stoned | o2T7: your nickname is hard to type |
| 00:26.40 | peppe | o2T7: but I may be wrong, I don't remember if the IO block size is always the same of the file system size, maybe it's safer to use an ext3 tool |
| 00:26.42 | enouf | o2T7: dumpe2fs -h /dev/hda1 |
| 00:27.05 | C18H21NO3 | :D |
| 00:27.14 | stoned | use dumpe2fs |
| 00:27.30 | gribouille | abrotman, it is rather cryptic |
| 00:27.36 | abrotman | gribouille: no it's not |
| 00:27.42 | enouf | gribouille: the Capital letters correspond to the 1st field's output but using lowercase |
| 00:27.46 | stoned | ooh, enouf beat me to it |
| 00:27.48 | stoned | damit |
| 00:27.55 | o2T7 | peppe: In my case, they are the same |
| 00:27.55 | stoned | someone else highlited me |
| 00:27.55 | gribouille | enouf, ok |
| 00:27.57 | stoned | hm |
| 00:28.04 | abrotman | gribouille: there are three columns possible .. (you'll mostly only see two) .. |
| 00:28.05 | stoned | C18H21NO3: yes |
| 00:28.28 | stoned | C18H21NO3: can I help you? |
| 00:28.41 | peppe | o2T7: here too, but maybe it's not always so. I really don't know it :) |
| 00:28.57 | o2T7 | And I guess that an empty dir is also the minimum size always |
| 00:29.02 | o2T7 | block size* |
| 00:29.09 | stoned | C18H21NO3: if you were THC-9 I would probably be tanted ;) |
| 00:29.16 | gribouille | abrotman, what does "Status=Not" mean ? |
| 00:29.31 | o2T7 | Well, its name leades me to think so (IO Block) |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | gribouille: uh .. NOT installed |
| 00:29.43 | stoned | not installed |
| 00:29.43 | enouf | gribouille: and only one of each line can occupy each placeholder .. each return lists 2 letters, like "ii" means Install Installed - whereas "pn" means Purge Not |
| 00:29.48 | stoned | gribouille: to save space |
| 00:29.52 | stoned | they say |
| 00:29.56 | stoned | not/installed/half |
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| 00:30.03 | stoned | but they spell out full, 'half installed' |
| 00:30.04 | stoned | which is fucke dup |
| 00:30.17 | stoned | should have spelled out that too i guess for simple people ;) |
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| 00:30.58 | gribouille | what do t-aWait and T-pend mean ? |
| 00:31.14 | enouf | no idea, that's new to me |
| 00:31.18 | Nyle | um? |
| 00:31.21 | enouf | pending obviously |
| 00:31.24 | abrotman | gribouille: are you having a problem with a package or not ? |
| 00:31.26 | Nyle | and waiting! |
| 00:31.27 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:31.27 | jim | that W and T do something when you hit em? |
| 00:31.34 | abrotman | kornholijo: do NOT do that again |
| 00:31.35 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:31.44 | kornholijo | abrotman: do what ;)? |
| 00:31.56 | gribouille | abrotman, for the moment, I'm trying to understand the output of fpkg --list |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | kornholijo: last chance |
| 00:32.05 | Nyle | mass ctcp? |
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| 00:32.06 | kornholijo | last chance for what? |
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| 00:32.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 00:32.12 | Nyle | i didn't see him do nothin |
| 00:32.16 | peppe | me too |
| 00:32.22 | Nyle | what did he do? |
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| 00:32.27 | peppe | what happened? we never know! mwhahwahhaw! |
| 00:32.29 | kornholijo | ..? |
| 00:32.37 | kornholijo | op abuse |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | irc client abuse |
| 00:32.46 | kornholijo | eg. ? |
| 00:32.58 | abrotman | kornholijo: do you need help or not? if you don't go away |
| 00:33.09 | Nyle | dude |
| 00:33.11 | kornholijo | so everyone that idles and doesnt need help should part too. |
| 00:33.12 | Nyle | what the fuck did he do? |
| 00:33.21 | abrotman | gribouille: the columns show what the package status is .. |
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| 00:33.31 | abrotman | gribouille: you'll mostly see 'ii','rc','un' |
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| 00:33.31 | peppe | btw, my dpkg doesn't have those W and T columns... wow. |
| 00:33.42 | gribouille | abrotman, ok |
| 00:34.02 | enouf | gribouille: is that Debian? or one of the *buntus? |
| 00:34.10 | Nyle | haha |
| 00:34.12 | Nyle | buntus |
| 00:34.13 | gribouille | enouf, it's ubuntu |
| 00:34.19 | abrotman | gribouille: ii means it is installed correctly (as far as dpkg knows), rc means you removed it - but conffiles remain, un means it's been purged or never installed |
| 00:34.20 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 00:34.21 | peppe | enouf++ |
| 00:34.28 | Nyle | enouf: asian much? |
| 00:34.30 | Nyle | j/k |
| 00:34.31 | abrotman | and now i'm done |
| 00:34.33 | enouf | :-P |
| 00:34.41 | enouf | Nyle: dumbass |
| 00:34.45 | enouf | ;-) |
| 00:34.45 | gribouille | last question : what does (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) mean ? |
| 00:34.51 | enouf | Nyle: it's ScoobyDoo |
| 00:35.00 | abrotman | gribouille: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:35.01 | Nyle | enouf: I think your ass just hung a vacancy sign, and my foot is lookin' for a room! |
| 00:35.04 | Nyle | hahaha |
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| 00:35.24 | enouf | Nyle: Off my case, Toilet Face! </sweathog> |
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| 00:35.30 | Nyle | enouf: I'll kick you in the ass so hard, your nose will bleed! |
| 00:35.34 | Nyle | hehehe oh man |
| 00:35.38 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 00:36.03 | Nyle | oh alright, I out of laughs now |
| 00:36.08 | enouf | Nyle: i'll tear off your head and shit down your neck? </can we stop now?> |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | please do |
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| 00:37.04 | enouf | hey! no piling on! .. ;-) |
| 00:37.06 | Nyle | enouf: I read that line in a Doom novel, back in 1995, the marine said this to his underling or something |
| 00:37.24 | Nyle | wow, you are the 2nd person to have said that in my lifetime so far |
| 00:37.25 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:37.25 | kornholijo | 01100001 01100010 01110010 01101111 01110100 01101101 01100001 01101110 00100000 01110011 01110101 01100011 01101011 01110011 00100000 00111010 01001111 |
| 00:37.30 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 00:37.37 | enouf | buh bai now |
| 00:37.38 | Nyle | here come a punt |
| 00:37.43 | Nyle | is he gonna score? |
| 00:37.50 | kornholijo | :x oops |
| 00:38.15 | Nyle | kornholijo: did you curse us out in binary? |
| 00:38.23 | kornholijo | go find out. |
| 00:38.46 | Nyle | judging by your nickname |
| 00:38.56 | Nyle | you are probably not capable of that |
| 00:39.01 | kornholijo | no? |
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| 00:39.09 | kornholijo | 01101110 01101111 00111111 |
| 00:39.23 | dabreegster | alright, i've got grub4dos going. i put boot.img.gz, initrd.gz, and vmlinuz in a folder. now i just use a device map config to point it to it? |
| 00:39.24 | Nyle | no you sound like a moron in need of attention lonely in his parents basement |
| 00:39.35 | abrotman | kornholijo: do you have a Debian question? |
| 00:39.38 | Nyle | dabreegster: no need to get boot.img.gz |
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| 00:39.52 | kornholijo | abrotman: not for you. |
| 00:39.58 | dabreegster | Nyle: alright. i think ive almost got it |
| 00:39.59 | kornholijo | you wont answer it |
| 00:40.01 | Nyle | kornholijo: after installing grub4dos, you need to put the linux/initrd.gz files in a dir |
| 00:40.03 | abrotman | i already did |
| 00:40.06 | Nyle | er.. |
| 00:40.08 | Nyle | not him |
| 00:40.23 | kornholijo | saying 'depends' helps?? |
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| 00:40.42 | dabreegster | Nyle: i have. searching for grub's menu.lst. it puts it in where places. |
| 00:40.49 | abrotman | kornholijo: i didn't say "depends" to you |
| 00:40.56 | kornholijo | what did you then? nothing? |
| 00:40.59 | Nyle | dabreegster: look at grub4dos documentation to find out where it puts menu.lst |
| 00:41.11 | abrotman | kornholijo: "recompile" |
| 00:41.14 | Nyle | dabreegster: then read teh install guide section 4 I think on how to boot from another linux os |
| 00:41.36 | Nyle | dabreegster: that will tell you what to put in a menu.lst |
| 00:41.44 | Nyle | basically you can make it yourself if you want |
| 00:41.51 | kornholijo | abrotman: do you use dialup with 50% packet drop chance? you never said that. |
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| 00:42.18 | abrotman | right after your question |
| 00:42.18 | Nyle | kernel /linux (if in c:\linux [file not dir]) |
| 00:42.27 | Nyle | two options only, ramdisk_size == optional |
| 00:42.35 | kornholijo | abrotman: not my 2nd question |
| 00:42.35 | Nyle | but root=/dev/ram0 |
| 00:42.42 | Nyle | that you need definitely |
| 00:42.51 | abrotman | kornholijo: which no, i didn't see, so you sohuld have asked me if i saw it instead of being a PITA |
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| 00:43.15 | dabreegster | kornholijo: ive got it. thank you so muc |
| 00:43.32 | abrotman | kornholijo: and if you have two .. you'll need to recompile the ones you want to use it with (assuming they are version different) |
| 00:43.47 | kornholijo | debian stock kernel is so outdated ;/ |
| 00:44.00 | kornholijo | so im going 2.6.18->2.6.20 |
| 00:44.00 | Nyle | its stable |
| 00:44.07 | Nyle | and it is fairly secure |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | kornholijo: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 00:44.15 | Nyle | respect its authorataaaan |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | kornholijo: what is your wifi that you need to compile it? |
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| 00:44.41 | kornholijo | patching bcm43xx drivers.. the patch is only 2.6.20/2.6.22 |
| 00:44.52 | C18H21NO3 | it's too stable? what? |
| 00:44.58 | Nyle | what? |
| 00:44.59 | abrotman | there's a .22 at bpo |
| 00:45.00 | kornholijo | i got 2 wifi cards :p |
| 00:45.08 | Nyle | 'too' stable? |
| 00:45.14 | abrotman | but bcm43xx works last time i tried it |
| 00:45.20 | kornholijo | kernel.org reports 2.6.24 as stable.. |
| 00:45.24 | Nyle | it does, I have it working right now |
| 00:45.27 | abrotman | fine .. do whatever you want |
| 00:45.45 | kornholijo | abrotman: i upgraded ieee80211 and ipw2200.. the bcm43xx wont work ;) |
| 00:45.52 | Nyle | I have bcm4306 working on etch 2.6.18 |
| 00:45.58 | C18H21NO3 | Nyle: kornholijo says etch is too old. no diff than too stable imo >:) hah hah |
| 00:46.05 | Nyle | he is a moron |
| 00:46.11 | Nyle | because I crack wep every fucking day on this laptop |
| 00:46.18 | jitendra | i have a query about apt. I wanna know which file does apt consult to check the dependencies that are available on disk for a particular package |
| 00:46.21 | kornholijo | i crack wpa on this laptop every day =) |
| 00:46.23 | Nyle | I have my 2.6.18 etch kernel stock patched with injection patches |
| 00:46.32 | kornholijo | just my bcm43xx card has an antenna connector. |
| 00:46.44 | kornholijo | for bcm43xx? |
| 00:46.49 | C18H21NO3 | Nyle's a haxor |
| 00:46.51 | Nyle | I had to edit the patch a little |
| 00:46.57 | Nyle | I got it from a .20 source |
| 00:47.07 | Nyle | but its not that diff once you see where the injection is taking palce |
| 00:47.13 | Nyle | where you need to write to etc. |
| 00:47.13 | abrotman | jitendra: /var/lib/dpkg/available IIRC |
| 00:47.18 | kornholijo | yeah the lines are changing |
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| 00:47.27 | kornholijo | just patch the appropapap~~~ ones |
| 00:47.31 | Nyle | kornholijo: learn some hw |
| 00:47.49 | jitendra | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:47.49 | kornholijo | you got no clue what you just said |
| 00:47.54 | Nyle | modify the source, diff the file, create a patch, let peopl test it out |
| 00:48.05 | Nyle | I have absolutey many clues about what I say |
| 00:48.10 | Nyle | YOU apparantly have no clue :) |
| 00:48.16 | kornholijo | me? |
| 00:48.21 | Nyle | I try not to talk about thing I have no clues about |
| 00:48.22 | kornholijo | :(? |
| 00:48.27 | Nyle | this way, I don't look like an idiot |
| 00:48.36 | kornholijo | apparently you do |
| 00:48.40 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:48.41 | Nyle | sure |
| 00:48.53 | Nyle | the point is, I got it working you're still strugglin |
| 00:49.00 | Nyle | I was trying to help, but you're a penis. |
| 00:49.02 | Nyle | good luck. |
| 00:49.10 | kornholijo | how am I a penis =)? |
| 00:49.24 | kornholijo | im not struggling at all |
| 00:49.52 | gribouille | when a package is marked with 'rc' in dpkg --list, how can I remove the package entirely ? |
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| 00:50.09 | Nyle | time for a bong hit |
| 00:50.09 | C18H21NO3 | gribouille: purge |
| 00:50.22 | gribouille | C18H21NO3, what is the command ? |
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| 00:50.36 | Nyle | C18H21NO3: /me prefers hydro morphone, you are boring! ;) |
| 00:50.37 | Nyle | j/k |
| 00:50.38 | C18H21NO3 | gribouille: ask the man page :) |
| 00:50.38 | noopoperator | hi |
| 00:50.51 | Nyle | HI! |
| 00:51.00 | C18H21NO3 | Nyle: meh. I'm the dope de jour ;) |
| 00:51.08 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 00:51.10 | Nyle | de jour |
| 00:51.12 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:51.16 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:51.18 | Nyle | fine |
| 00:51.20 | abrotman | gribouille: please ask #ubuntu |
| 00:51.20 | C18H21NO3 | tomorrow, if you're lucky. :D |
| 00:51.41 | gribouille | abrotman, I did it again, but the channel is only for newbies |
| 00:51.56 | abrotman | gribouille: that's fine .. then please install debian .. this channel is to support Debian users |
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| 00:52.04 | Nyle | oh yeah |
| 00:52.05 | C18H21NO3 | haha then upgrade to the REAL debian. not that wannabe stuff :P |
| 00:52.09 | Nyle | I remember |
| 00:52.12 | Nyle | enouf++ |
| 00:52.14 | gribouille | abrotman, but ubuntu is based on debian |
| 00:52.15 | Nyle | thats right |
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| 00:52.32 | abrotman | gribouille: so are many other distros .. we don't support them either |
| 00:52.34 | C18H21NO3 | gribouille: it's not negiotable. |
| 00:52.34 | Nyle | he quickly determind (after half hour) that he isn't even running debian |
| 00:52.37 | enouf | !based on debian |
| 00:52.38 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 00:52.39 | Nyle | !based on debian |
| 00:52.41 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:52.42 | Nyle | again |
| 00:52.44 | enouf | gribouille: ^^^^^^^ |
| 00:53.02 | Nyle | !ubuntu |
| 00:53.02 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 00:53.06 | Nyle | hah |
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| 00:53.10 | kornholijo | !lart Nyle |
| 00:53.14 | kornholijo | :o |
| 00:53.15 | C18H21NO3 | wheee flood! |
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| 00:53.39 | Nyle | kornholijo: well fine. but your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | Nyle: stop already |
| 00:53.57 | Supaplex | at least it's no flood of ubuntoobies |
| 00:54.10 | Nyle | stop what? |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | being you |
| 00:54.22 | C18H21NO3 | Supaplex: one is too many :-( |
| 00:54.25 | Nyle | I can't. |
| 00:54.33 | abrotman | gribouille: if they can't help you .. you can try ##linux |
| 00:54.45 | gribouille | ok |
| 00:54.53 | abrotman | gribouille: there are also tons of other Ubuntu channels |
| 00:55.14 | Nyle | or |
| 00:55.18 | Nyle | I have a fantastic idea |
| 00:55.21 | Nyle | why don't you just go to |
| 00:55.22 | dkr | debian is based on linux so ask in ##linux, doh beaten to it :) |
| 00:55.26 | Nyle | #ubuntu !? |
| 00:55.32 | enouf | Supaplex: ahh .. someone was trying out goodbye-windows.com with win98 installed and got an error saying ; |
| 00:55.33 | enouf | <dabreegster> goodbye-windows.com, though a great idea, failed. 404 when trying to dl grub.exe. dug through the source but couldnt find where it wanted it from. any other way to bootstrap the install process from within 98? qemu was giving me trouble as well |
| 00:55.46 | Nyle | enouf: ? |
| 00:55.51 | dabreegster | enouf: yes? |
| 00:55.56 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:55.59 | enouf | Supaplex: was he supposed to use grub.exe? |
| 00:56.02 | dabreegster | enouf: i described the error to the guy in #goodbye- |
| 00:56.03 | Nyle | enouf: but there is no grub.exe afaik |
| 00:56.11 | kornholijo | there is debian-install.exe |
| 00:56.11 | kornholijo | xd |
| 00:56.12 | enouf | oh, i'm sorry |
| 00:56.16 | enouf | nm |
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| 00:56.23 | Nyle | debian.exe |
| 00:56.25 | Nyle | officially |
| 00:56.26 | dabreegster | shrug. the page said 95 and up works. i couldnt find in the sources where it downloaded grub.exe from |
| 00:56.26 | Supaplex | enouf: it's suppose to be self-contained. grub's downloaded with other stuff. sometimes they're offline. (not from my site) |
| 00:56.30 | kornholijo | or debian.exe |
| 00:56.38 | kornholijo | !lart Nyle |
| 00:56.45 | kornholijo | :o |
| 00:57.00 | Nyle | I really wanna tell you to go fuck yourself, but I'll try to be mature for once. |
| 00:57.04 | Nyle | kornholijo: thank you. |
| 00:57.05 | Supaplex | it'll download grub.exe to bootstrap after ntldr/bcdedit etc |
| 00:57.20 | Nyle | Supaplex: what? |
| 00:57.27 | C18H21NO3 | Nyle: is that what the kornholijo is a penis part was about? |
| 00:57.38 | dabreegster | i've almost got it. just trying to get my menu.lst right. gotta map c:\booty as a virtual drive according to tutorial |
| 00:57.41 | Supaplex | Nyle: "it" as in debian.exe off goodbye-windows.com |
| 00:57.47 | kornholijo | !8ball Nyle really thanked me |
| 00:57.47 | dpkg | Yes. |
| 00:57.52 | dkr | dpkg: quit bypassing my Nyle /ignore with emotes! |
| 00:57.54 | Nyle | you said grub.exe |
| 00:57.55 | kornholijo | :o |
| 00:58.03 | paul__ | is it possible to have IP addresses bound to "virtual" interfaces? |
| 00:58.14 | Nyle | paul__: yes |
| 00:58.19 | enouf | Supaplex: so that appears to be just a down site? |
| 00:58.23 | enouf | error? |
| 00:58.27 | paul__ | i want the ability to measure and rate limit traffic by IP and if i bind them to eth0:1 it wont allow it? |
| 00:58.30 | Nyle | Supaplex: enouf: no errors here |
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| 00:58.44 | Nyle | it wants me to dl debian.exe |
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| 00:58.51 | Nyle | where is this fucking grub.exe you people talk about? |
| 00:58.53 | Nyle | what is going on? |
| 00:58.54 | abrotman | paul__: selectively? |
| 00:58.55 | paul__ | nyle, can you give me something to google relating to it? |
| 00:58.55 | Supaplex | enouf: yea. I'd try again. it's done that before. I want to toss a forum on there to help |
| 00:59.02 | paul__ | abrotman: yep.. |
| 00:59.11 | Supaplex | !tell Nyle -about goodbye-windows.com |
| 00:59.12 | enouf | Supaplex: i see, ok, thanks |
| 00:59.14 | Supaplex | Nyle: that. |
| 00:59.17 | abrotman | paul__: you could change routes maybe? wondershaper perhaps ? |
| 00:59.20 | Nyle | Supaplex: dude. |
| 00:59.26 | Nyle | !factinfo debian.exe |
| 00:59.26 | dpkg | debian.exe -- created by stoned <n=stoned@cpe-24-193-147-226.nyc.res.rr.com> at Tue Apr 24 20:10:21 2007 (316 days); it has been requested 17 times, last by Nyle, 1h 9m 23s ago. |
| 00:59.30 | paul__ | command line? |
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| 00:59.37 | Nyle | !factinfo goodbye-windows.com |
| 00:59.38 | dpkg | goodbye-windows.com -- last modified at Mon Feb 4 02:19:11 2008 by Supaplex!i=supaplex@166-70-62-194.ip.xmission.com; it has been requested 10 times, last by Supaplex, 26s ago. |
| 00:59.48 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:59.58 | Nyle | I am fully aware, but there is NO grub.exe |
| 00:59.59 | kornholijo | !factinfo Nyle |
| 01:00.00 | dpkg | kornholijo: there's no such factoid as nyle |
| 01:00.01 | Nyle | I've never heard of it |
| 01:00.10 | kornholijo | Me too. |
| 01:00.12 | Nyle | its debian.exe and thats it |
| 01:00.12 | kornholijo | there is only debian.exe |
| 01:00.14 | Supaplex | Nyle: it's grub for dos. |
| 01:00.23 | Nyle | Supaplex: yes but not from that site |
| 01:00.34 | enouf | Supaplex: not to be confused with grub4dos? |
| 01:00.38 | Supaplex | debian.exe downloads grub.exe from somewhereelse |
| 01:00.46 | Nyle | Supaplex: ahhh that |
| 01:00.48 | Nyle | ok |
| 01:00.52 | kornholijo | Supaplex: and it is grub4dos |
| 01:00.58 | Supaplex | yes, with ntfs support |
| 01:01.07 | Nyle | windows 98 has ntfs support? |
| 01:01.10 | Nyle | since when/ |
| 01:01.11 | enouf | no |
| 01:01.18 | Supaplex | nonono my hell |
| 01:01.19 | radius | since never |
| 01:01.27 | Nyle | so why would a 98 box have any ntfs partitions? |
| 01:01.27 | enouf | grub4dos ALSO has ntfs support he's saying |
| 01:01.34 | Nyle | so why would grub4dos need ntfs support |
| 01:01.37 | paul__ | nyle, what can i gogole to find out more about virtual ethernet adaptors and their ability to allow snmp stats to be collected from them |
| 01:01.43 | kornholijo | Nyle: because m$ values win98 :O |
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| 01:01.48 | Supaplex | quit smoking weed and think about the other microsoft platforms that DO use it. |
| 01:01.50 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 01:01.53 | enouf | Nyle: it can. but only could co-ezxist with fat16 partitions - most cases it won't |
| 01:02.02 | Nyle | enouf: i see |
| 01:02.12 | kornholijo | WHY WINDOWS? |
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| 01:02.17 | kornholijo | why |
| 01:02.25 | Supaplex | gurb.exe with ntfs support running on win9x is a little bloat. big deal. |
| 01:02.25 | Nyle | Supaplex: have at least half a mind even, don't attack my pot. |
| 01:02.47 | Supaplex | kornholijo: to install debian, of course :P |
| 01:03.00 | Supaplex | yet another way to do it |
| 01:03.06 | kornholijo | =) |
| 01:03.21 | Nyle | mostly the people who attack users, are the ones who've never used themselves. Yet they are an authority on it. |
| 01:03.34 | enouf | Nyle: the fat16 + NT 3.51/4.0 was more common with 95, and because fat32 wasn't around till win95 OSR2 release, and fat16 partition size limit is 2GB tops |
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| 01:03.44 | radius | Nyle, they're called religious fanatics |
| 01:03.48 | Nyle | enouf: yes that is correct |
| 01:04.02 | Nyle | radius: no, they are called Supaplex ;) |
| 01:04.06 | Nyle | j/k |
| 01:04.09 | Nyle | relax.. j/k |
| 01:04.15 | kornholijo | -.. . -... .. .- -. |
| 01:04.15 | kornholijo | oops |
| 01:04.28 | radius | oh look some braille ;p |
| 01:04.29 | kornholijo | supah-plekS |
| 01:04.35 | kornholijo | radius: morse.. |
| 01:04.48 | enouf | so, with larger HDDs, you'd need many many small partitions, not to mention 'slack' space, rememer that? |
| 01:04.59 | kornholijo | yes i rememer that :o |
| 01:05.05 | Nyle | enouf: yes, yes I do |
| 01:05.08 | radius | kornholijo, scary |
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| 01:05.16 | Nyle | enouf: thank you for kindly explaining it to me instead of judging me |
| 01:05.17 | C18H21NO3 | no need for slack. we have debian. heh |
| 01:05.20 | enouf | fat16 used 32KB blocks, fat32 uses 4K |
| 01:05.21 | aawd | :~# mysqld |
| 01:05.21 | aawd | mysqld: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory |
| 01:05.24 | kornholijo | :P |
| 01:05.41 | Nyle | enouf: yes yes I try not to think much about my MS experiences |
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| 01:05.46 | kornholijo | enouf: and ntfs uses 1Window blocks ;/ |
| 01:05.48 | enouf | right |
| 01:05.49 | aawd | im in a vps environment, how can I make my mysql servr run? |
| 01:06.02 | Nyle | vps? |
| 01:06.06 | kornholijo | /etc/ini.d/mysql<tab> start |
| 01:06.10 | aawd | virtual private server |
| 01:06.12 | dabreegster | Should I be able to just say 'root /booty' if c:\booty has initrd and vmlinuz? |
| 01:06.13 | radius | Nyle, if you've worked for them - you're permanently scarred |
| 01:06.18 | kornholijo | Nyle: VirT000l pRYVAT SERV0r |
| 01:06.22 | enouf | Nyle: just explaining why it is possible there are some NT partitions on the drive |
| 01:06.37 | radius | Nyle, i was TL for the Vista launch and still have nightmares ;p |
| 01:06.38 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:06.38 | enouf | Nyle: very very rare with win98 though |
| 01:06.38 | dpkg | from memory, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:06.42 | Nyle | enouf: obviously I was unable to think of them on my own, thank you for your input |
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| 01:06.48 | kornholijo | aawd: /etc/init.d/mysql<tab> start |
| 01:06.59 | Tapout | my machine has gone down again, son of a @#$@# |
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| 01:07.04 | Nyle | enouf: I know very rare indeed, which is what prompted me to ask |
| 01:07.06 | C18H21NO3 | aawd: who installed mysql, and how? |
| 01:07.12 | aawd | I did |
| 01:07.15 | kornholijo | apt? |
| 01:07.16 | Nyle | Tapout: what did you do now? |
| 01:07.20 | aawd | apt-get install mysql-serveer |
| 01:07.23 | aawd | *server |
| 01:07.23 | kornholijo | !give cookie abrotman |
| 01:07.35 | C18H21NO3 | aawd: how much ram does your vps have? |
| 01:07.40 | aawd | 128mb |
| 01:07.47 | Nyle | damn |
| 01:08.32 | Supaplex | aawd: what version of debian is it for? |
| 01:08.34 | abrotman | aawd: "free" do you have anything left? |
| 01:08.37 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:08.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:08.46 | enouf | dabreegster: i'm not sure at all about that syntax |
| 01:09.10 | dabreegster | enouf: im googling now. its just tough to concentrate on right now |
| 01:09.17 | kornholijo | Nyle: i ran a server with 64mb(266 cyrix ftw!) and it didnt die or anything (little swap use) |
| 01:09.18 | aawd | 164k free |
| 01:09.25 | kornholijo | heh |
| 01:09.32 | kornholijo | what else you got running? apache? |
| 01:09.37 | kanzure | if I just did "ln destination original", and I rm destination, will I kill the original? |
| 01:09.38 | Supaplex | aawd: the full output on rafb.net/paste please. :) |
| 01:09.54 | kornholijo | kanzure: no |
| 01:09.58 | aawd | no, I got lighttpd |
| 01:10.11 | kornholijo | and what else? gui u_u? |
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| 01:10.38 | Nyle | kornholijo: I ran 4mb ram, 25.33mhz cpu, 80mb storage space for 6 years |
| 01:10.42 | Supaplex | uh, w/o the full output, we can't see the cache etc. |
| 01:11.00 | kornholijo | Nyle: not as a debian server that also runs a dns server being ddosed with NO lag :o |
| 01:11.06 | Nyle | no |
| 01:11.06 | kornholijo | i also have a 286 =0 |
| 01:11.12 | Nyle | no I just ran it gamely |
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| 01:11.21 | kornholijo | Nyle: what os? |
| 01:11.22 | Nyle | pretend you can understand my english |
| 01:11.28 | Nyle | came with 3.11 |
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| 01:11.32 | kornholijo | aww |
| 01:11.40 | Nyle | I used linux off my floppies |
| 01:11.47 | kornholijo | :) |
| 01:12.08 | Nyle | this was like back in 92.93 |
| 01:12.12 | kornholijo | heh |
| 01:12.24 | Nyle | good ol times |
| 01:12.31 | kornholijo | yep |
| 01:12.38 | kornholijo | still have that box? |
| 01:12.41 | Nyle | all you needed was a flapjack pair o floppy bazoongas on national geographic, give youa boner for a month |
| 01:12.53 | Nyle | now im older and much more desensitized |
| 01:12.58 | Nyle | anyway, yes I still have it |
| 01:12.59 | Roge | it apears my fresh install of debian is using the nv driver, however in xfce my only rez option is below 800x600, x seems to be set to use 24 bit and try to use the highest rez but im getting less then 800x600. does anyone know of a common issue that mite be effecting me ? |
| 01:13.10 | C18H21NO3 | nat geo. hahahaaaaa |
| 01:13.10 | Tapout | hey Nyle, one of my Debian etch machines keeps Kernel Panic'n ... |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | Roge: pick only one resolution |
| 01:13.31 | Nyle | Tapout: at which step during boot? or after boot? |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | Roge: unless you want to use nvidia binary stuff |
| 01:13.36 | Nyle | Tapout: when? |
| 01:13.43 | Roge | ok i will try that |
| 01:13.49 | C18H21NO3 | Roge: what hfreq and vfreq does your monitor support, and did you add those to the xorg.conf? |
| 01:14.11 | kornholijo | hey, i got deb running with 915gm but i cant get higher than 1024x768, any got solution? 915resolution doesnt seem to work :o |
| 01:14.17 | aawd | http://paste.debian.net/50557 top |
| 01:14.18 | Tapout | call traceback is ; rt_secret_rebuild,run_timer_softirq,__do_softirq,call_softirq,do_softirq,default_idle,apic_timer_interrupt,udp_poll,default_idle,cpu_idle,start_kernel,_sinittext |
| 01:14.33 | Roge | hmm, no i havent added thoose, though the moniter was doing 1024x768 on other operating systems |
| 01:14.40 | Roge | im not sure of the freq to be honest |
| 01:14.53 | Tapout | Nyle, when running.. box usually had great uptime, but started panicing about 2 months ago, goes down all the time, I gotta hit the reboot button on the case and then it comes back up for like 1-2 days and goes back down |
| 01:14.54 | abrotman | aawd: didn't we ask for "free" ? |
| 01:15.09 | abrotman | aawd: you have no swap ? |
| 01:15.16 | Nyle | Tapout: first, rule out any HW issues |
| 01:15.24 | kornholijo | abrotman: he told his free - 186kb |
| 01:15.25 | enouf | Roge: lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:15.30 | abrotman | kornholijo: no .. that's his free RAM |
| 01:15.33 | Tapout | Nyle, i ran that damn memory test .. took like 2 days and 0 issues repoted |
| 01:15.36 | Roge | ty engla |
| 01:15.36 | Tapout | reported |
| 01:15.39 | Roge | err |
| 01:15.42 | Tapout | maybe drives are going ? |
| 01:15.43 | Roge | enouq |
| 01:15.46 | Roge | enouf |
| 01:15.46 | Tapout | hrmm, lemme chekc |
| 01:15.48 | Nyle | Tapout: do a full badblock scan, test the memory, test the psu, |
| 01:15.53 | aawd | abrotman: doesnt look like I do :P |
| 01:15.57 | aawd | http://paste.debian.net/50558 free |
| 01:15.58 | Nyle | voltage fluctuatiosn cause panicks rarely |
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| 01:16.05 | abrotman | aawd: i don't use VPS systems .. but i'd guess that's a problem |
| 01:16.15 | C18H21NO3 | Roge: if xorg.conf doesn't know, don't expect it to utilize your hardware. the wrong hfreq and vfreq settings *can* catch a monitor on fire, so do your homework (no guessing). good luck. :) |
| 01:16.19 | Nyle | Tapout: actually nm |
| 01:16.24 | Nyle | Tapout: how old is this box? |
| 01:16.34 | enouf | Roge: i'm trying to say, older 2X AGP cards and older and such might only like 16bit tops, not 24/32 |
| 01:16.37 | Roge | ty C18H21NO3 |
| 01:16.51 | aawd | im glad I only payed for amonth of this vps crap |
| 01:16.56 | Nyle | Tapout: get a live cd, or a windows live cd (mini pe) etc. or any live cd with system stress testing utils |
| 01:17.00 | enouf | Roge: hwinfo --monitor might help. you'll need to install it |
| 01:17.11 | Nyle | Tapout: I'm not sure but no changes to the system, no upgrades, and random panics, sounds like HW issues |
| 01:17.12 | abrotman | aawd: you might want to ask them .. or try creating a swap file(instead of a swap partition) |
| 01:17.14 | Nyle | ime anyway |
| 01:17.19 | Roge | ok, ill try all thoose suggestions. ty all |
| 01:17.19 | Tapout | Nyle, i'm just gonna replace this box with new hardware.. tell me something.. Software raid ok? or would you go hardware? |
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| 01:17.26 | Nyle | HW |
| 01:17.28 | Nyle | definitely |
| 01:17.34 | Nyle | but it depends on what you are doing |
| 01:17.35 | Roge | enouf its only about a year old.. the machine and monitor.. maybe 1.5 tops |
| 01:17.38 | Tapout | onboard raid or would you get a seperate controller? |
| 01:17.41 | Nyle | SW is ok for some things |
| 01:17.44 | Tapout | nyle box is just used for backups |
| 01:17.50 | aawd | abrotman: okay Ill try that. |
| 01:17.53 | Nyle | Tapout: onboard if its nothing you really care bout |
| 01:17.55 | Supaplex | Roge: new hardware is promising for that :) |
| 01:17.56 | enouf | Roge: ok, so 24/32bit should wotk fine |
| 01:18.19 | Roge | ok off i go to fix it |
| 01:18.20 | Roge | ty |
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| 01:18.34 | posr | Who can help me pwnd one web site? i work for that one week and now i need a good help who knows about ftp passwords |
| 01:18.34 | Nyle | Tapout: RAID for performance are only needed in situations where data isn't too important |
| 01:18.36 | posr | :) |
| 01:18.36 | enouf | Roge: anyone show you drxx? |
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| 01:18.47 | Nyle | Tapout: well not /only needed/ |
| 01:18.49 | abrotman | posr: you want what? |
| 01:18.51 | Nyle | but anyway |
| 01:19.12 | enouf | Roge: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | posr: this is not the right channel for that |
| 01:19.16 | dabreegster | i think i almost got it. root (hd0,0)/booty then kernel /booty/vmlinuz. dies saying zimge kernel too big |
| 01:19.17 | Nyle | Tapout: for backups that don't need to get accessed much, you should mirror the backups server |
| 01:19.29 | posr | abrotman http://wire.lv/images i made avalibabe now i want know how to delete it from that server? |
| 01:19.34 | Nyle | dabreegster: dude, vmlinuz? |
| 01:19.36 | Nyle | NO! |
| 01:19.38 | dabreegster | ? |
| 01:19.42 | abrotman | posr: you're in the wrong channel, i suggest you run away quicly |
| 01:19.43 | Supaplex | posr: the fbi can help. ask them to help you crack that site. ;-d geeze. |
| 01:19.43 | Tapout | Nyle, kk thanks man |
| 01:19.44 | enouf | Roge: you should be able to grab your Monitor Settings online somewhere (Vert and Hor) |
| 01:19.50 | Nyle | dabreegster: you are trying to install the netboot image? |
| 01:19.57 | Nyle | dabreegster: download the linux/initrd.gz files |
| 01:20.05 | Nyle | there is no vmlinuz yet |
| 01:20.06 | dabreegster | Nyle: i did. the hdparm files |
| 01:20.10 | dabreegster | Nyle: there was one in there |
| 01:20.18 | Nyle | dabreegster: url? |
| 01:20.22 | kornholijo | Nyle: do you still have bcm43xx-inj patch for 2.6.18? |
| 01:20.27 | enouf | dabreegster: bzImage |
| 01:20.29 | Nyle | kornholijo: somewhere |
| 01:20.32 | kornholijo | :P |
| 01:20.33 | Nyle | its for .20 |
| 01:20.35 | dabreegster | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 01:20.37 | kornholijo | i got that too |
| 01:20.44 | kornholijo | ill go manually patch this |
| 01:20.45 | kornholijo | blah |
| 01:20.46 | Nyle | I have the mod somewhere |
| 01:20.51 | dabreegster | vmlinuz in there. do i say kernel /booty/initrd.gz then? |
| 01:20.58 | Nyle | hang on |
| 01:21.12 | Nyle | when the hell did thsi happen |
| 01:21.15 | dabreegster | shrug. |
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| 01:21.19 | techqbert | any1 in here get apache2 working on verizon fios on non-80 port and still have good upload/download speeds? |
| 01:21.24 | dabreegster | i tried kernel initrd.gz and said it isnt an executable |
| 01:21.26 | Nyle | I remember linux/initrd.gz but w/e |
| 01:21.32 | dabreegster | i've almost got this |
| 01:21.37 | dabreegster | whats boot.img? |
| 01:21.43 | Nyle | dabreegster: why using a hd-media? |
| 01:21.59 | Nyle | dabreegster: you have a partition that will NOT get formatted that will contain the iso and its not ntfs? |
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| 01:22.13 | Nyle | dabreegster: you really should be using 'netboot' |
| 01:22.22 | dabreegster | i'm confused. i think i am. |
| 01:22.22 | ricosecada | What group does a user need to belong to in order to mount NFS shares? |
| 01:22.23 | C18H21NO3 | or that site Supaplex has :) |
| 01:22.34 | dabreegster | i thought the netboot images were for booting off another server |
| 01:22.38 | Nyle | dabreegster: netboot will download the debian installer and base system from the ineternet |
| 01:22.52 | Nyle | dabreegster: for hd-media install, you need to have a safe partition with some debian iso file |
| 01:22.52 | dabreegster | as in the bios talks to the ethernet and it goes to my desktop and grabs everything |
| 01:22.56 | Nyle | cd iso |
| 01:22.59 | dabreegster | ohhh. wow. |
| 01:23.04 | Nyle | dabreegster: netboot does NOT do pxe unless you want |
| 01:23.15 | dabreegster | ok. netboot then. put the netboot files in /booty and retry. |
| 01:23.16 | Nyle | dabreegster: simply download the netboot kernel/initrd and boot it |
| 01:23.16 | enouf | Nyle: THAT's what i was asking you about before |
| 01:23.28 | Nyle | enouf: I think I answered you |
| 01:23.29 | dabreegster | that makes sense. i thought netboot was pxe only |
| 01:23.30 | Nyle | I Can't remember |
| 01:23.33 | dabreegster | the manual should clarify maybe |
| 01:23.36 | Nyle | enouf: sorry if i didn't answer |
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| 01:23.42 | enouf | Nyle: i perhaps didn't make myself clear, no worries |
| 01:23.45 | Nyle | dabreegster: manual is perfectly clear |
| 01:24.11 | dabreegster | everythings in netboot.tar.gz i'd assume. here goes. |
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| 01:24.12 | Nyle | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
| 01:24.14 | kornholijo | Nyle: Hunk #2 succeeded at 3316 (offset -56 lines). <- what something like this means? it found thaat the line is in different pos or? |
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| 01:24.16 | Nyle | go here dabreegster ^^^^^^ |
| 01:24.22 | abrotman | ricosecada: you might wan tto check the mount man page to see if there are options to avoid that |
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| 01:24.36 | Nyle | dabreegster: download http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/linux and http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz |
| 01:24.39 | ricosecada | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 01:25.09 | Nyle | dabreegster: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 01:25.17 | dabreegster | alright |
| 01:25.17 | Nyle | dabreegster: after you download them, read this |
| 01:25.31 | Nyle | dabreegster: this tells you how to create a menu.lst entry for netboot |
| 01:25.34 | Nyle | very easy |
| 01:25.38 | Nyle | let me know if you have issues |
| 01:25.41 | dabreegster | ive got it now |
| 01:26.05 | dabreegster | thanks. im more experienced than this would have you to believe, just not with grub and such |
| 01:26.17 | Nyle | no problem |
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| 01:26.20 | Nyle | you haven't pissed me off yet |
| 01:26.24 | kornholijo | Nyle: i think the bcm43xx driver did not change from 2.6.18 to 2.6.20 |
| 01:26.26 | Nyle | you know how to get help |
| 01:26.26 | kornholijo | i think its the same. |
| 01:26.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:26.39 | Nyle | kornholijo: it didn't |
| 01:26.44 | Nyle | still the patch was diff |
| 01:26.49 | Nyle | had to be adjusted |
| 01:26.53 | Nyle | bcm is a waste though |
| 01:27.00 | Nyle | 30 packets per second max |
| 01:27.01 | kornholijo | yeah but i got a card and i wanna use it |
| 01:27.11 | Nyle | its better than nothing, but still, its a pos |
| 01:27.15 | kornholijo | :P |
| 01:27.23 | kornholijo | i got a ipw2200 but its internal ;/ |
| 01:27.29 | Nyle | I have it too |
| 01:27.33 | Nyle | ipw2200 |
| 01:27.34 | kornholijo | just wanna bcm fixed |
| 01:27.36 | kornholijo | yeah me too |
| 01:27.41 | kornholijo | 14 channels <3 |
| 01:27.54 | Nyle | I should go get my good router from my sister |
| 01:28.07 | Nyle | she has my wrt54g v2 and I've her v6 |
| 01:28.15 | kornholijo | v2 ftw :p |
| 01:28.16 | Nyle | I need by v2 back cuz i have a full ddwrt on it |
| 01:28.20 | kornholijo | =) |
| 01:28.21 | Nyle | on this pos i got micro |
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| 01:28.25 | Nyle | its got nothing |
| 01:28.27 | kornholijo | yep |
| 01:28.48 | Roge | anyone know off hand the package name to install linux kernel source ? |
| 01:28.55 | kornholijo | what about getting heatsinks on the wifi chips in it and getting like 500mw :D? |
| 01:29.01 | kornholijo | Roge: linux-kernel-source |
| 01:29.22 | abrotman | Roge: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 01:29.22 | Nyle | linux-source |
| 01:29.24 | Nyle | no kernel |
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| 01:29.39 | Nyle | kornholijo: do a package lookup before you advise :) |
| 01:29.41 | kornholijo | linux-source-2.6.18 to be more exact |
| 01:29.47 | kornholijo | i just installed it |
| 01:29.47 | Roge | thankyou |
| 01:29.48 | kornholijo | lol |
| 01:29.48 | abrotman | kornholijo: assuming etch ? |
| 01:29.59 | kornholijo | abrotman: no, woody. |
| 01:30.01 | kornholijo | .. |
| 01:30.09 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 01:30.17 | Nyle | 1 more bong hit for me |
| 01:30.27 | kornholijo | *sighhh* |
| 01:30.33 | kornholijo | *growll* |
| 01:31.14 | Nyle | god damn |
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| 01:31.27 | Nyle | kornholijo: have you looked into HURD at all? |
| 01:31.45 | Nyle | kornholijo: I'm setting up to run it, hopefully tonight I'll have that qemu image of HURD setup |
| 01:32.08 | kornholijo | not hurd |
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| 01:32.43 | kornholijo | Nyle: its for ia32 only :O? |
| 01:32.51 | Roge | apt-get says it cant find that package |
| 01:32.55 | Nyle | ? |
| 01:32.59 | Nyle | what is? |
| 01:33.14 | kornholijo | Roge: apt-cache search kernel | grep source |
| 01:33.14 | kornholijo | .. |
| 01:33.28 | kornholijo | Nyle: hurd |
| 01:33.30 | o7andrew | what is HURD? |
| 01:33.33 | Nyle | no... |
| 01:33.38 | Nyle | o7andrew: GNU's kernel |
| 01:33.47 | Nyle | unfinished |
| 01:33.54 | kornholijo | unix kernel replacement xd |
| 01:33.57 | Nyle | !hurd |
| 01:33.57 | dpkg | hurd is, like, a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
| 01:34.08 | o7andrew | oh ok thanx |
| 01:34.09 | Roge | linux-source |
| 01:34.13 | Roge | not kernel-source |
| 01:34.15 | Roge | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.18 | kornholijo | what i said? |
| 01:34.24 | kornholijo | did you read my last message? |
| 01:34.33 | Nyle | 20:33 < kornholijo> Roge: apt-cache search kernel | grep source |
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| 01:34.34 | abrotman | Roge: we said that |
| 01:34.36 | Nyle | that? |
| 01:34.51 | Roge | i missed it sorry |
| 01:34.53 | Roge | my bad |
| 01:35.09 | Roge | i see it there |
| 01:35.12 | Roge | Nyle, said it |
| 01:35.15 | Nyle | abrotman said it, kornholijo was still wrong |
| 01:35.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:35.23 | kornholijo | no. i fixed it |
| 01:35.26 | Roge | LOL |
| 01:35.29 | abrotman | kind of |
| 01:35.38 | Nyle | search kernel|grep source |
| 01:35.38 | Roge | its coming down the pipe, so ive got it |
| 01:35.39 | Nyle | no. |
| 01:35.47 | Nyle | let me know if you get any results with that |
| 01:35.50 | kornholijo | you do |
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| 01:35.57 | Nyle | not related |
| 01:36.25 | kornholijo | linux-source-2.6.18 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.18 with Debian patches |
| 01:36.29 | kornholijo | you get that;) |
| 01:36.32 | Roge | thats what i found |
| 01:36.39 | Roge | very spirited in here |
| 01:36.40 | abrotman | kornholijo: on etch ... |
| 01:36.44 | Roge | i like :) |
| 01:36.45 | Nyle | once again |
| 01:36.47 | Nyle | you assume |
| 01:36.59 | Nyle | though I also made the mistake |
| 01:37.12 | Nyle | I should have asked, but usually I assume people install etch |
| 01:37.22 | Nyle | so... anyway I have lenny |
| 01:37.27 | kornholijo | abrotman: etch is current release.. he does not specify his version - assuming etch |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | or like i said .. apt-cache search linux-source .. |
| 01:38.05 | kornholijo | Nyle: what different in bcm43xx in 2.6.20 then in 2.6.18? i dont see anything.. :o |
| 01:38.06 | o7andrew | I was under the impression that Linus&Co did a marvelous job (why fix what isn't broke?) |
| 01:38.23 | Nyle | kornholijo: use it and let me know if it works |
| 01:38.29 | dabreegster | Nyle: i got it. d-i is running now. thanks so much! |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | o7andrew: not everyone agrees with the methodology with the linux kernel |
| 01:38.40 | Nyle | dabreegster: you are welcome |
| 01:39.12 | o7andrew | can you elaborate? |
| 01:39.12 | Nyle | dabreegster: I'm always happy to help anyone install debian |
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| 01:39.24 | kornholijo | Nyle: it has changes indeed, might aswell openup nano and do manual change, but i am lazy |
| 01:39.28 | kornholijo | grr |
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| 01:40.03 | Nyle | man I'm bored |
| 01:40.10 | Nyle | miserable |
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| 01:40.14 | Nyle | :( |
| 01:40.18 | kornholijo | go find the 2.6.18 mod for me xd |
| 01:40.22 | kornholijo | so i can be more lazy :D |
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| 01:40.38 | Nyle | i'd rather do a bong hit, and go play guitar |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | o7andrew: things like kernel choice .. tainting of the kernel .. some of the tools used .. general system architecture |
| 01:41.21 | o7andrew | oh ok, what's tainting the kernel? |
| 01:41.31 | Nyle | kornholijo: http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d33c9b8905.jpg |
| 01:41.32 | dabreegster | hrmm. guided partitioning doesnt recommend a separate /boot anymore. i feel old now. :P |
| 01:42.02 | Roge | heh heh |
| 01:42.02 | kornholijo | Nyle: :o |
| 01:42.04 | kornholijo | hehe |
| 01:42.05 | abrotman | dabreegster: that's because people used to make them like 30MB .. which now is only enough room for one |
| 01:42.13 | o2T7 | (general question) Do you think that linux should become a microkernel? |
| 01:42.21 | kornholijo | o2T7: WHY? |
| 01:42.27 | kornholijo | MAN WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 01:42.30 | kornholijo | :'( |
| 01:42.34 | kornholijo | macrokernel >:( |
| 01:42.34 | Nyle | kornholijo: chill. |
| 01:42.58 | o7andrew | man hack the gibson" |
| 01:43.05 | abrotman | o2T7: that's completely outside the topic of this channel |
| 01:43.07 | kornholijo | "" |
| 01:43.12 | kornholijo | !ot |
| 01:43.12 | dpkg | hmm... ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:43.18 | kornholijo | hmm.. |
| 01:43.22 | abrotman | kornholijo: try it .. you'll like it |
| 01:43.24 | o2T7 | abrotman: sure, but isn't debian using linux? |
| 01:43.25 | enouf | what is with the trolliosis .. dang |
| 01:43.26 | Nyle | I've hacked gibson |
| 01:43.34 | Nyle | I posted a picture of my hacked gibson just now |
| 01:43.35 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 01:43.40 | kornholijo | abrotman: try waht :P |
| 01:43.42 | abrotman | o2T7: yes .. this is a support channel .. not a kernel-direction-channel |
| 01:43.44 | Nyle | hacked in 1971 |
| 01:43.47 | Nyle | muahaha |
| 01:43.50 | kornholijo | :o |
| 01:43.56 | abrotman | Nyle: don't you have a #music for your random crap? |
| 01:44.06 | Nyle | just shh. |
| 01:44.10 | kornholijo | it sucks.. |
| 01:44.11 | Nyle | dont. |
| 01:44.13 | o7andrew | :-D ..and sorry dpkg |
| 01:44.24 | kornholijo | !give cookie o7andrew |
| 01:44.35 | kornholijo | !give cookie to o7andrew |
| 01:44.39 | kornholijo | :o |
| 01:44.42 | antibular | I'm getting a dpkg error "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" when trying to install libc6_2.7-6_i386.deb. How can I find out what caused the exit status to be1? |
| 01:44.55 | Nyle | antibular: can we see the entire message |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | antibular: after the shebang in the preinst .. put a set -x |
| 01:45.01 | Nyle | antibular: pastebin the whole mesage |
| 01:45.03 | o7andrew | cn't rock the bot, cn't stop the rock |
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| 01:47.10 | antibular | dpkg error: http://rafb.net/p/Hw5NJ420.html |
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| 01:47.39 | abrotman | antibular: uname -a |
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| 01:48.14 | antibular | I'm running a 2.4.27 kernel. I'm trying to upgrade the kernel to 2.6. |
| 01:48.53 | antibular | abrotman: how do I put a "set -x" you mentioned? |
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| 01:49.04 | abrotman | antibular: don't worry about it |
| 01:49.11 | abrotman | antibular: what is the command you're feeding aptitude ? |
| 01:49.20 | antibular | its in the paste. |
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| 01:50.08 | abrotman | antibular: the error tells you how to fix it i believe ? |
| 01:50.55 | antibular | abrotman: running "apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6" give me this same error. |
| 01:51.01 | wng- | would it be difficult to set up a local repository on a debian system that could serve as a repo for debian/ubuntu, and fedora/centOS? |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | antibular: paste your sources.list somewhere |
| 01:51.19 | abrotman | !tell wng- about repository |
| 01:51.39 | abrotman | wng-: i have no idea if centos uses apt or something else |
| 01:51.49 | wng- | centos and fedora use yum |
| 01:51.56 | wng- | and i believe those would be easy to set up |
| 01:52.07 | antibular | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/Kb6RJL87.html |
| 01:52.09 | abrotman | you'd have to ask them |
| 01:52.21 | abrotman | antibular: don't mix versions of debian |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | antibular: that's how you break your system |
| 01:53.13 | kornholijo | Nyle: quick way of compiling bcm43xx module? the makefile of it doesnt show any good ;/ |
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| 01:56.54 | up_the_irons | how do you lock certain packages at a specific version? (for example, i don't want libc upgraded, ever, unless i specifically allow it) |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | !hold |
| 01:57.11 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 01:57.19 | up_the_irons | abrotman: thanks |
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| 01:57.45 | kornholijo | !give cookie to up_the_irons |
| 01:58.13 | up_the_irons | i get a cookie?! sweet |
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| 01:58.41 | kornholijo | dpkg is being nice today :) |
| 01:59.27 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite kornholijo |
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| 02:01.06 | kornholijo | :( |
| 02:01.14 | kornholijo | !lart jetscreamer |
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| 02:01.56 | jetscreamer | !tell apt dpkg says apt |
| 02:02.01 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 02:02.11 | jetscreamer | !say apt dpkg says apt |
| 02:02.11 | dpkg | apt dpkg says apt |
| 02:02.24 | kornholijo | !say ell0 |
| 02:02.25 | dpkg | ell0 |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | lay off the damn bots |
| 02:02.38 | kornholijo | !lart abrotman |
| 02:02.42 | abrotman | not funny |
| 02:02.52 | jetscreamer | living hamstercrap is funny |
| 02:03.00 | kornholijo | yep |
| 02:03.08 | jetscreamer | !hampstercrapsmite abrotman |
| 02:03.19 | kornholijo | :( |
| 02:03.30 | jetscreamer | no i knew there wasn't one |
| 02:03.39 | kornholijo | ;/ |
| 02:03.53 | kornholijo | dpkg: you are k00l! |
| 02:03.53 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 02:03.55 | jetscreamer | more like :p@abrotman |
| 02:04.21 | kornholijo | abrotman -- a brazillain opentibiaserver man |
| 02:04.26 | kornholijo | ian* |
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| 02:05.22 | roger_ | did anyone catch my startx question before i got d/c |
| 02:05.51 | jetscreamer | i didnt |
| 02:06.25 | kornholijo | startx does not have questions :o |
| 02:06.29 | roger_ | i installed the xfce version of debain. i removed gdm and im trying to use startx. it seems to ignore whats in my .xinitrc file |
| 02:06.31 | up_the_irons | ok, so, now how do i reverse a "aptitude hold libc6" ? |
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| 02:06.59 | kornholijo | up_the_irons: release? dunno |
| 02:07.03 | up_the_irons | i want it back in its normal "unheld" state |
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| 02:07.08 | kornholijo | !release |
| 02:07.09 | dpkg | methinks release is Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch>, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 02:07.12 | kornholijo | aff |
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| 02:07.22 | kornholijo | !unhold |
| 02:07.22 | dpkg | well, unhold is echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 02:07.31 | jetscreamer | roger_: you 'might' look at update-alternatives --all |
| 02:07.43 | roger_ | k |
| 02:08.01 | abrotman | up_the_irons: if you want to unhold something .. you explicitly install it |
| 02:08.10 | kornholijo | abrotman: dpkg answered that. |
| 02:08.22 | up_the_irons | abrotman: oh ok |
| 02:08.31 | abrotman | kornholijo: better than you could do |
| 02:08.39 | kornholijo | i never did. |
| 02:08.47 | kornholijo | dpkg did. |
| 02:08.53 | kornholijo | !unhold |
| 02:08.53 | dpkg | from memory, unhold is echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 02:08.54 | jetscreamer | ok i'm gonna take my toys and go home! |
| 02:09.01 | kornholijo | noo :( |
| 02:09.26 | antibular | abrotman: Thanks, I should have known better. My system is now happy. |
| 02:10.19 | abrotman | antibular: good |
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| 02:11.29 | enouf | roger_: what's in your .xinitrc? also /msg dpkg xsession |
| 02:12.04 | eyeris | Is there a migration page for unstable similar to this one for testing? http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gtk2hs |
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| 02:13.55 | abrotman | eyeris: uh .. no .. because unstable is where packages start ? |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | !inout |
| 02:13.58 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://release.debian.org/migration/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" or go to http://release.debian.org/migration/ For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 02:15.00 | abrotman | eyeris: there's also the ftp-master NEW list .. but there's no timetable for their acceptance |
| 02:15.09 | eyeris | abrotman I was just curious why gtk2hs 0.9.12.1-1 is in unstable to i386 but not for amd64 |
| 02:15.38 | enouf | much better |
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| 02:15.56 | abrotman | eyeris: if it's not in incoming .. you might want to check the buildd stuff |
| 02:16.00 | abrotman | or the qa pages |
| 02:16.18 | eyeris | abrotman where is the build stuff and qa pages? |
| 02:16.21 | eyeris | !qa |
| 02:16.22 | dpkg | qa is probably Quality Assurance (buzzword for "we test it until it's mostly fixed"), or http://qa.debian.org/, or debian-qa@lists.debian.org |
| 02:16.58 | jetscreamer | !tell nyle -about nyeet |
| 02:17.04 | up_the_irons | so I did "echo libc6 hold|dpkg --set-selections" (and also for libc6-dev), but it still seems it wants to upgrade it when I try to install package "libx264-dev": |
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| 02:17.09 | up_the_irons | The following held packages will be changed: libc6 libc6-dev |
| 02:17.12 | Nyle | yes |
| 02:17.13 | up_the_irons | The following packages will be upgraded: binutils libc6 libc6-dev libx264-dev |
| 02:17.17 | Nyle | yes I did, chinese food too |
| 02:17.23 | Nyle | and healthy orange juice |
| 02:17.24 | Nyle | :D |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | up_the_irons: wtf are you trying to do ? |
| 02:17.46 | eyeris | !buildstuff |
| 02:17.50 | eyeris | !build |
| 02:17.51 | dpkg | http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/1/dpkg-buildpackage.html |
| 02:17.51 | Nyle | lol |
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| 02:17.54 | abrotman | eyeris: do you need help ? |
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| 02:18.06 | eyeris | abrotman haha, it seems so :) |
| 02:18.08 | up_the_irons | abrotman: trying to install libx264-dev but not have it automatically upgrade libc6 |
| 02:18.14 | abrotman | eyeris: /msg dpkg foo |
| 02:18.19 | abrotman | up_the_irons: well .. why not? |
| 02:18.33 | abrotman | up_the_irons: if something you explicitly install depends on a newer libc6, it's going to upgrade it |
| 02:18.44 | mosty | i'm looking for an mta that can use multiple smtp relays- ie if the first one is uncontactable then mail is sent using the second. is this possible/easy to to in exim4 or do i need to find something else? |
| 02:18.45 | up_the_irons | abrotman: b/c this is a production box and i'm not ready to go and upgrade a package that almost every other package depends on |
| 02:18.54 | up_the_irons | abrotman: ok |
| 02:19.01 | up_the_irons | abrotman: so then what is "hold" for |
| 02:19.04 | abrotman | up_the_irons: are you trying to backport x264 stuff ? |
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| 02:19.13 | up_the_irons | abrotman: pretty much |
| 02:19.13 | abrotman | up_the_irons: aptitude upgrade .. it won't go |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | up_the_irons: how are you trying to do this? |
| 02:19.49 | abrotman | mosty: you could make your own dns roundrobin thing ? |
| 02:20.09 | abrotman | mosty: sounds like something a spammer would want :) |
| 02:20.11 | up_the_irons | abrotman: well, i was planning on just doing apt-get source and repackaging it; but wanted to see if there was a simpler way, like forcing certain dependencies not to be upgraded |
| 02:20.23 | abrotman | !tell up_the_irons about simple sid backport |
| 02:20.30 | up_the_irons | abrotman: if this isn't possible, no problem. i'll just repackage it |
| 02:20.48 | mosty | abrotman, i have two internet connections, if the first one is down i just want my mail to still go out without having to wait too long for it to retry when the connection is back up |
| 02:20.56 | up_the_irons | abrotman: ok thanks, makes sense |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | up_the_irons: just don't mess up .. bad things will happen :) |
| 02:21.18 | up_the_irons | abrotman: i know :) |
| 02:21.23 | abrotman | mosty: do you actually have two smtp servers? |
| 02:21.24 | kornholijo | !tell kornholijo about simple sid backport |
| 02:21.31 | abrotman | !tell kornholijo about selftell |
| 02:21.33 | mosty | abrotman, each internet connection has a different smtp server |
| 02:22.01 | kornholijo | !say abrotman: dont touch me >:( |
| 02:22.01 | dpkg | abrotman: dont touch me >:( |
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| 02:22.13 | abrotman | kornholijo: really .. stop |
| 02:22.16 | kornholijo | .. |
| 02:22.24 | kornholijo | where is gas pedal? |
| 02:22.45 | jetscreamer | in my porsche |
| 02:23.16 | abrotman | mosty: http://www.tgunkel.de/docs/exim_smarthosts.en maybe ? |
| 02:23.20 | kornholijo | nonono, where is the GAZ-PEDAL? |
| 02:23.21 | jetscreamer | actually, my sister got the porsche, i got a battery charger ... guess who dad likes more |
| 02:23.33 | kornholijo | the battery :o |
| 02:23.36 | jetscreamer | and not even a car battery charger... a nicad one |
| 02:23.43 | abrotman | mosty: or ask #exim or #postfix |
| 02:23.45 | jetscreamer | for like AAAA batteries |
| 02:23.50 | kornholijo | aaal? |
| 02:23.59 | jetscreamer | duracell |
| 02:24.06 | kornholijo | abrotman: WHERE IS THE GAS PEDAL??! |
| 02:24.41 | jetscreamer | can you believe somebody said to me 'well it was only a used porsche' |
| 02:25.24 | kornholijo | your sister. |
| 02:25.25 | jetscreamer | kornholijo: does that have any outcome, ending, punch line? |
| 02:25.49 | abrotman | jetscreamer: why are you egging him on? |
| 02:26.10 | kornholijo | :o |
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| 02:26.35 | kornholijo | LOL |
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| 02:27.08 | mosty | abrotman, i'll try #exim |
| 02:27.20 | enouf | mosty: install exim4-doc-html ; rgrep fallback /usr/share/doc/exim4-doc-html/html/spec_html |
| 02:27.41 | abrotman | mosty: but how are you going to receive mail ? |
| 02:28.10 | mosty | this machine does not receive mail, it only sends mail |
| 02:29.27 | cybermad | i have problem with my onboard NIC, i use motherboard Gigabyte, when installing i can update software list from sources list indonesia (debian.indika.net.id), but after finish installation then login, i can not ping anywhere and when i try "ifconfig eth0" it said: eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 02:29.35 | jetscreamer | i was just curious if there was a punchline to the gas pedal thing |
| 02:29.37 | cybermad | how to fix this problem? |
| 02:29.56 | mosty | enouf, i'll take a look- thanks |
| 02:30.05 | abrotman | cybermad: dmesg | grep eth |
| 02:30.17 | jetscreamer | cybermad: sounds like what i get: so edit /etc/network/interfaces, comment out allow-hotplug eth0 , put auto eth0 |
| 02:31.02 | jetscreamer | cybermad: only works the first reboot, for me, iirc |
| 02:31.08 | enouf | mosty: sure, also might get some ideas from http://gentoo-wiki.com/Dual_internet_connections |
| 02:31.10 | jetscreamer | untill i edit it |
| 02:31.11 | Nyle | jetscreamer: hi |
| 02:31.42 | jetscreamer | ih elyn |
| 02:31.58 | cybermad | wait a second.. i try your advice |
| 02:32.24 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i'll see ya in a few months |
| 02:32.25 | Nyle | ! |
| 02:32.33 | jetscreamer | zowie |
| 02:33.03 | Nyle | maybe |
| 02:33.28 | mosty | enouf, i'm using application-level routing/load balancing (it's an asterisk server), it's just voicemail (via email) that i still have to work out |
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| 02:34.07 | cybermad | running dmesg | grep eth: |
| 02:34.27 | cybermad | forcedeth.c Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.56. |
| 02:34.34 | cybermad | forcedeth: using HIGHDMA |
| 02:34.35 | jetscreamer | ahhhh |
| 02:34.38 | jetscreamer | that's different |
| 02:35.00 | jetscreamer | it goes eth0,eth1,eth2... i hear the forcedeth ones incrment the # |
| 02:35.01 | cybermad | eth0: forcedeth.c subsystem 01458:e000 bound to 0000:00:07.0 |
| 02:35.15 | jetscreamer | i saw one guy with eth25 iirc |
| 02:35.29 | cybermad | how to fix it jetscreamer |
| 02:35.29 | jetscreamer | !forcedeth |
| 02:35.30 | dpkg | methinks forcedeth is the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher, or ask me about <forcedeth mac> |
| 02:35.35 | cybermad | is this bug? |
| 02:35.45 | jetscreamer | cybermad: first make sure that's your problem |
| 02:35.51 | cybermad | !forcedeth mac |
| 02:35.52 | dpkg | If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". |
| 02:35.57 | jetscreamer | cybermad: did you try the auto eth0 ? |
| 02:36.20 | mosty | or use nameif ? |
| 02:36.28 | enouf | ifrename? |
| 02:36.48 | cybermad | jetscreamer i don't know.. i install many debian on many PC before.. and i ever use same motherboard, but only happen with this PC.. |
| 02:37.07 | jetscreamer | cybermad: well try both fixes imo |
| 02:37.07 | cybermad | i just follow the installation, set the IP, subnet mask, gateway, dns, etc |
| 02:37.18 | jetscreamer | or determine which one is the fix you need |
| 02:37.48 | jetscreamer | my box here gets all the bugs not everybody gets :) |
| 02:37.57 | abrotman | sucks that people still have to use forcedeth |
| 02:38.01 | cybermad | i try ifconfig... it just result "lo" |
| 02:38.20 | jetscreamer | cybermad: sounds like what i get: so edit /etc/network/interfaces, comment out allow-hotplug eth0 , put auto eth0 |
| 02:38.23 | jetscreamer | or don't |
| 02:38.26 | jetscreamer | or did you |
| 02:38.47 | cybermad | jetscreamer ok, i understand what you want me to do.. just a minute |
| 02:39.27 | Nyle | jetscreamer: /me hits teh BoD |
| 02:39.36 | roger_ | bloody nvidia installer cant find the source... it said it couldnt find kernel.h so i located kernel.h and gave it the dir and it still says it cant find shit |
| 02:39.36 | Nyle | dual internet? |
| 02:39.39 | Nyle | interesting |
| 02:39.41 | jetscreamer | after that ifup eth0 is all you need to do i 'think' |
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| 02:39.43 | roger_ | is there a .deb for nvidia ? |
| 02:39.44 | Nyle | never heard of that before |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | roger_: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 02:40.01 | Nyle | !tell roger_ -about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:40.08 | jetscreamer | roger_: you can try my stuff that only fails if the person is an idiot (not saying you are just that it works) |
| 02:40.20 | jetscreamer | !tell roger_ -about nvrun |
| 02:40.24 | enouf | Nyle: then you might also like this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/350 |
| 02:40.28 | Kurin | What's the difference between the package "libldap2" and "libldap-2.3-0"? |
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| 02:40.46 | abrotman | the version? |
| 02:40.59 | enouf | Nyle: that one being more about aggregating and bonding, rather than failsafe/fallback |
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| 02:41.05 | Kurin | Well they are installed side-by-side |
| 02:41.06 | cybermad | err.. i did reboot :) |
| 02:41.09 | jetscreamer | 2.0 vs 2.3 ? |
| 02:41.15 | roger_ | ty i shall try that |
| 02:41.18 | abrotman | Kurin: does one depend on the other? |
| 02:41.26 | Kurin | Is there a way to get all my stuff to link against 2.3? |
| 02:41.37 | Nyle | enouf: two NIC, each on a diff ISP, bonding together? |
| 02:41.42 | Nyle | how exactly does this work? |
| 02:41.42 | enouf | i think i have 8 or so linpng or something |
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| 02:41.44 | Kurin | Oh, yeah, 2.3 depends on libldap2 |
| 02:41.50 | jetscreamer | it's called bonding |
| 02:41.51 | enouf | er lib* |
| 02:42.12 | jetscreamer | you need a wire that connects the two nics iirc |
| 02:42.23 | jetscreamer | or at least, that's one way |
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| 02:42.44 | enouf | Nyle: you got me - i just bookmark this stuff until i get to it ;-) |
| 02:43.27 | enouf | Nyle: ya know; reading is hard! |
| 02:43.31 | vvd | hello, on lenny i get: Mar 6 03:39:02 miqu CRON[7280]: pam_env(cron:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/environment: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden ## anyone dlocate environment for me? |
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| 02:43.51 | Xcerca | hi |
| 02:43.56 | Nyle | enouf: easy, only tedious |
| 02:44.46 | abrotman | !find etc/environment lenny |
| 02:44.56 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/environment' returned no results. |
| 02:45.01 | Xcerca | i'm trying to install java re for azureus , i downloaded the jre...rpm.bin but how do i install it ? |
| 02:45.01 | enouf | vvd: it's made via some debconf postinst script |
| 02:45.21 | vvd | enouf: how do i find out which one? ^^) |
| 02:45.31 | vvd | pam maybe.. |
| 02:45.35 | abrotman | vvd: mine only contains LANGUAGE and LANG variables |
| 02:45.37 | enouf | vvd: you have the login pkg? |
| 02:45.48 | vvd | enouf: installed? |
| 02:46.13 | vvd | yeah, not in cache :> |
| 02:46.19 | enouf | yes |
| 02:46.36 | o2T7 | Mine too, only $LANGUAGE and $LANG |
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| 02:47.11 | jetscreamer | /etc/defaults i think |
| 02:47.25 | jetscreamer | Xcerca: you don't do it that way |
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| 02:47.31 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.32 | cybermad | how do i know version of my debian? |
| 02:47.35 | jetscreamer | !tell Xcerca -about java |
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| 02:47.39 | jetscreamer | !version |
| 02:47.39 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 02:47.40 | enouf | and dlocate shows the login pkg |
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| 02:47.44 | cybermad | jetscreamer i try your trick, but it doesn't work |
| 02:47.53 | cybermad | i try to find out what is the problem |
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| 02:47.59 | Douglas | Hey. |
| 02:48.03 | Douglas | How do you add an ip range in debian |
| 02:48.06 | cybermad | because i running another debian with same motherboard specification |
| 02:48.13 | jetscreamer | cybermad: ok.. did you reboot? does dmesg |grep eth return anything at all? |
| 02:48.16 | cybermad | and the networking works perferc |
| 02:48.22 | o2T7 | Would'n `ifconfig -a` show actual NIC system name ? |
| 02:48.23 | cybermad | yes i did reboot |
| 02:48.28 | vvd | enouf: yeah, but same for gdm and su and cron |
| 02:48.31 | cybermad | just a second.. |
| 02:48.52 | up_the_irons | abrotman: thanks for that backporting recipe, it worked like a charm |
| 02:48.56 | enouf | vvd: yep, but you ls -l /etc/environment ? |
| 02:48.58 | _ericb | good evening, I have a problem with a folder on my filesystem. Since recently when I ls -l it I get ?------ as permissions, ? ? ? ? ? as owner but filenames are found. However when I do sudo ls -l (foldername) everything is alright |
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| 02:49.32 | jetscreamer | try chowning it and chmodding it, _ericb ? |
| 02:49.34 | vvd | enouf: :P |
| 02:49.36 | jetscreamer | did you try... |
| 02:49.42 | abrotman | up_the_irons: enjoy! |
| 02:49.54 | up_the_irons | :) |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | _ericb: fsck your filesystem |
| 02:50.02 | enouf | !spank vvd |
| 02:50.10 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 02:50.15 | _ericb | abrotman I xfs_check'ed it and no problems |
| 02:50.19 | _ericb | jetscreamer I did it |
| 02:51.42 | Nyle | jetscreamer: #music |
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| 02:51.53 | vvd | enouf: i mean, if the file was there i wouldnt get the message :) |
| 02:52.00 | Tramp | _ericb: the folder has no "x" permission. chmod ugo+x thisfolder |
| 02:52.00 | _ericb | jetscreamer oh I forgot the +x part of it, it now works it was a permission problem thanks |
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| 02:52.24 | _ericb | thanks sorry it was quite a dumb problem |
| 02:52.25 | enouf | vvd: i can't read german |
| 02:52.38 | enouf | vvd: LANG=C |
| 02:52.57 | Nyle | encrypted code |
| 02:52.58 | vvd | enouf: pam_env(cron:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/environment: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden (file not found) |
| 02:53.08 | enouf | Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 02:53.11 | Nyle | this is a strange program |
| 02:53.12 | vvd | :D |
| 02:53.23 | Roge | ty for the help |
| 02:53.26 | abrotman | _ericb: the ? isn't good |
| 02:53.27 | Roge | nvidia working |
| 02:53.27 | Nyle | it generates code as it is executed and compiled on run time |
| 02:53.30 | Nyle | wtf is this |
| 02:53.38 | _ericb | _ericb it now works after chmod +x |
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| 02:53.46 | _ericb | abrotman* it now works after chmod +x |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | i got it :) |
| 02:53.53 | vvd | enouf: so you have anything in /etc/einvironment beside comments? |
| 02:54.09 | cybermad | i check the motherboard (Gigabyte GA-M61SME-S2L), debian version (4.0) and kernel is same... |
| 02:54.11 | abrotman | they aren't comments |
| 02:54.19 | cybermad | when i did ifconfig -a on problem computer |
| 02:54.25 | cybermad | it return eth2 and lo |
| 02:54.36 | enouf | vvd: are you missing the locale pkgs? |
| 02:54.36 | cybermad | how to fix eth2 to eth0 ? |
| 02:54.49 | jetscreamer | cybermad: that forcedeth mac factoid |
| 02:54.57 | abrotman | maybe it's the z25 stuff? |
| 02:55.00 | jetscreamer | !tell cybermad -about forcedeth mac |
| 02:55.05 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
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| 02:55.24 | vvd | enouf: nope |
| 02:55.30 | Nyle | this is truely elegant |
| 02:55.31 | cybermad | so i must do this: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". |
| 02:55.32 | enouf | LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en LANG=en_US |
| 02:55.32 | Nyle | wow |
| 02:55.35 | cybermad | ok just a minute |
| 02:55.43 | enouf | is what's in mine on 2 separate lines |
| 02:56.22 | enouf | vvd: who made the Crontab? |
| 02:56.47 | cybermad | btw jetscreamer, i confuse with this: replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". so i must replace with 00:00:6c:* not real mac address of my NIC ? |
| 02:57.01 | jetscreamer | cybermad: that's what it says.... |
| 02:57.05 | cybermad | ok |
| 02:57.07 | cybermad | :) |
| 02:57.35 | abrotman | enouf: but you're in NY ? |
| 02:57.37 | jetscreamer | cybermad: afaict there's some problem with that.. maybe the mac changes on reboots, udev detects the mac and thinks it's a different nic |
| 02:57.48 | enouf | abrotman: and? |
| 02:57.55 | abrotman | GB! |
| 02:58.02 | cybermad | jetscreamer arrrggghhh |
| 02:58.02 | vvd | enouf: its mine, i made it, but root stuff gets the same message |
| 02:58.21 | enouf | abrotman: yeah, when sarge was installed, i thought so too - i removed it then , and the whole system broke |
| 02:58.29 | enouf | abrotman: i learned not to touch it ;-) |
| 02:58.29 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:58.30 | cybermad | jetscreamer i just curious... why this happen with same hardware ;P |
| 02:58.43 | jetscreamer | cybermad: no idea, i have sis nic |
| 02:59.44 | jetscreamer | i had that en_GB thing once... i got rid of it somehow |
| 02:59.45 | enouf | vvd: one sec |
| 02:59.56 | vvd | enouf: i could just change "readenv=1" to "readenv=0" in every pam module! that i will do! :) |
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| 03:00.57 | Anthro | Anyone ever heard of "Musepack audio"? VLC plays it, but I've never heard of the codec. Is it even related to mp3? |
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| 03:01.36 | jetscreamer | Anthro: i saw it mentioned like yesterday or the day before... no idea about it, but yeah i heard of it |
| 03:01.54 | jetscreamer | barely |
| 03:02.07 | enouf | !locales |
| 03:02.08 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 03:02.11 | jetscreamer | Anthro: a channel like #vlc or #mplayer might know more |
| 03:02.14 | enouf | vvd: do that ^^^^^ |
| 03:02.26 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 03:03.03 | Anthro | jetscreamer: Good thought. |
| 03:03.27 | Anthro | jetscreamer: FYI, it's #videolan rather than #vl |
| 03:03.32 | Anthro | #vlc, I mean |
| 03:03.33 | jetscreamer | i might have seen it mentioned in #mplayer... not sure. or the docs.. ah |
| 03:04.15 | jetscreamer | or was it sources... |
| 03:04.32 | cybermad | i think i found the problem |
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| 03:04.57 | jetscreamer | wel this is not what i saw: xmms2-plugin-musepack |
| 03:04.58 | cybermad | there is difference on /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules between 1st pc and 2nd |
| 03:05.00 | jetscreamer | but there it is |
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| 03:05.42 | iateadonut | if you have a laptop and you login with very very few services (not even using xorg, etc), can you make a laptop battery run a long long time? |
| 03:06.13 | jetscreamer | iateadonut: esp if you have it set to standby&hibernate at the drop of a hat |
| 03:06.23 | enouf | Laser: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 03:06.28 | enouf | er |
| 03:06.34 | enouf | iateadonut: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 03:07.29 | enouf | iateadonut: (Dyntick) CONFIG_NO_HZ is supposed to gain you some time too |
| 03:07.56 | enouf | install using * laptop-mode? |
| 03:08.07 | jetscreamer | underclocking your cpu (speedstep or whatever) helps also |
| 03:08.22 | enouf | !cpufreqd |
| 03:08.26 | enouf | !cpufreq |
| 03:08.26 | dpkg | somebody said cpufreq was a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
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| 03:09.25 | enouf | maybe update that one? and move the history lesson to !cpufreq-old ? |
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| 03:14.03 | iateadonut | generally, you have a 250W power source, right? how much does a box actually use? |
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| 03:14.09 | iateadonut | No manual entry for cpudyn!!! |
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| 03:14.55 | enouf | !installit |
| 03:14.56 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 03:15.37 | jetscreamer | no 250W is weak |
| 03:16.06 | jetscreamer | one needs a 500 nowadays minimum imo |
| 03:16.11 | iateadonut | after i installed cpudyn there's no manual. |
| 03:16.14 | jetscreamer | even though a 350 works |
| 03:16.17 | iateadonut | jetscreamer, are you joking? |
| 03:16.20 | jetscreamer | no |
| 03:16.37 | enouf | dpkg -L cpudyn |
| 03:16.37 | dpkg | No packages found matching cpudyn |
| 03:16.39 | iateadonut | why would you need such a powerful computer? |
| 03:16.41 | jetscreamer | well if you have only 1 hd and 1 dvd |
| 03:16.49 | jetscreamer | not the computer, the psu |
| 03:16.59 | jetscreamer | iateadonut: they have much stronger ones |
| 03:17.07 | abrotman | 350W works if everything is on the mobo |
| 03:17.10 | enouf | 250w is so 1999 |
| 03:17.18 | jetscreamer | low end 1999 |
| 03:17.24 | jetscreamer | emachine |
| 03:17.42 | enouf | 150 was low end 250 was mid |
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| 03:18.15 | jetscreamer | guess my low end wasn't as low as yours was... :p |
| 03:18.28 | enouf | bottoms up! :-P |
| 03:18.34 | iateadonut | what if you use one of those 90% efficient power sources? - then you can have less wattage because less is wasted? |
| 03:18.38 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's because your kids wear wal-mart clothes! |
| 03:18.41 | ApOgEE- | hi all |
| 03:18.51 | enouf | iateadonut: go away |
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| 03:18.59 | jetscreamer | i'm not even sure what this one psu i'm thinking of did.. it was tiny, and triangular |
| 03:19.08 | jetscreamer | and hard to find a replacement for |
| 03:19.16 | enouf | iateadonut: stop asking generic questions without ever discussing anything |
| 03:19.40 | enouf | yeah, get an atomic battery - that'll last |
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| 03:20.37 | iateadonut | sorry. i had an actual question, but i get distracted easily. |
| 03:20.42 | enouf | iateadonut: seriously, maybe #hardware is for you |
| 03:21.09 | enouf | (for those type of questions/discussions) |
| 03:21.17 | jetscreamer | it takes a very long time to cp 50G over a 100nic |
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| 03:21.53 | jetscreamer | it's not a giganic |
| 03:21.55 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 03:22.12 | jetscreamer | note my new word! Giganic |
| 03:22.58 | jetscreamer | GigaNic... get one today! Keep up with the Jonses! throw away that killernic! |
| 03:23.03 | obnauticus | Anyone here good with the bluetooth protocol... and stuff |
| 03:23.17 | obnauticus | because my phone disconnects RIGHT when i send an AT+CIND=? command |
| 03:23.19 | obnauticus | it'sweir. |
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| 03:23.23 | obnauticus | it's weird* |
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| 03:24.19 | bronaugh | hmm; is anyone here using the stex driver (Supertrack EX)? |
| 03:24.39 | bronaugh | I'm curious about some nasty details about it, like whether it uses the BKL or does other evil shit like that. |
| 03:24.57 | bronaugh | (because it's godawfully slow and kills my NFS perf while it's busy) |
| 03:25.06 | enouf | i guess vv is dead |
| 03:25.45 | jetscreamer | hey so how is that new xorg fglrx module working out for ppl? |
| 03:25.52 | jetscreamer | no more ati installer eh? |
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| 03:32.19 | eric_ramirez | Hi everybody |
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| 03:34.00 | eric_ramirez | How can I install Abobe's Flash Player? I cannot watch You Tube |
| 03:34.48 | Nyle | !abode flash |
| 03:35.01 | Nyle | !ping |
| 03:35.02 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:35.06 | Nyle | oh fuck me runnin |
| 03:35.13 | Nyle | !adobe flash |
| 03:35.13 | dpkg | Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from backports.org or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>. |
| 03:35.20 | Nyle | eric_ramirez: ^^ |
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| 03:37.16 | eric_ramirez | But my laptop is running Sarge |
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| 03:37.43 | Nyle | same |
| 03:37.59 | abrotman | and upgrade your system |
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| 03:38.55 | Nyle | jetscreamer: new? |
| 03:38.57 | eric_ramirez | I tried to install Etch, but it didn't work |
| 03:39.13 | Nyle | jetscreamer: its old, and no I have not tried it |
| 03:39.22 | abrotman | eric_ramirez: didn't work ? |
| 03:39.37 | Nyle | !tell eric_ramirez -about sarge->etch |
| 03:40.03 | Nyle | if you did it like this, what didnt work exactly? |
| 03:40.27 | abrotman | or using the installer vs dist-upgrade |
| 03:40.29 | eric_ramirez | Yes, it didn't work. I think the DVD is broken |
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| 03:41.17 | eric_ramirez | I did a clean installation, my laptop was new and it didn't have any OS |
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| 03:42.36 | Nyle | eric_ramirez: if you have sarge now, try to upgrade |
| 03:42.48 | Nyle | eric_ramirez: do what the bot dpkg told you just now |
| 03:43.02 | C18H21NO3 | check the release notes on how :) |
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| 03:43.28 | Nyle | huh? |
| 03:43.56 | C18H21NO3 | sarge->etch mentions the release notes I hope |
| 03:44.26 | Supaplex | eg, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 03:46.35 | Roge | is there a repo. with the "extras |
| 03:46.43 | Roge | apps that arint in the regular repo ? |
| 03:47.07 | wols_ | Roge: /msg dpkg contrib /msg dpkg nonfree |
| 03:47.22 | Supaplex | there. fixed sarge->etch. |
| 03:47.28 | Roge | ty |
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| 03:48.03 | Supaplex | extras apps? there are only main, contrib and non-free. |
| 03:48.21 | Roge | something like gtk-gnutella |
| 03:48.31 | abrotman | Roge: uhm .. hold on |
| 03:48.31 | Supaplex | !tell Roge -about search |
| 03:48.31 | Roge | aptitude returns no results in a search |
| 03:49.08 | Supaplex | apt-cache is eaiser imo to search with. (the regex it uses is more favorable) |
| 03:49.22 | Roge | i did search for the pack |
| 03:49.27 | Roge | its not there |
| 03:49.28 | abrotman | Roge: you'd have to /msg dpkg simple sid backport for gtk-gnutella |
| 03:49.35 | Roge | hmm ok |
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| 03:49.46 | iateadonut | eric_ramirez: you can download the tar from adobe's website, extract it, run ./install.sh (or whatever) from the command line as root, and install it into /usr/bin/iceweasel or /usr/lib/iceweasel; i foget which one. |
| 03:49.52 | abrotman | Roge: you'd do better to find a new gnutella client if you can .. gtk-gnutella is a pain |
| 03:49.52 | jetscreamer | Roge: apt-cache search gnutella probably |
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| 03:50.07 | abrotman | iateadonut: neither of those places ? |
| 03:50.32 | wng- | about how much HD space would it take to host all the base debian packages(whatever the install medium installs by default) plus any updates ot them in a local repo? |
| 03:51.03 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 03:51.05 | jetscreamer | !repository |
| 03:51.05 | dpkg | from memory, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 03:51.07 | iateadonut | the install program pretty much tells you - you just have to change whatever they write for mozilla to iceweasel, or do whereis iceweasel. |
| 03:51.09 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18593 packages, 1730 maintainers, 41487 MB installed size, 13599 MB compressed size. |
| 03:51.38 | wng- | so 14GB for everything? |
| 03:51.44 | jetscreamer | try 41 |
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| 03:51.49 | wng- | that could be severely reduced, right? |
| 03:52.05 | wng- | im talking just a repository for it |
| 03:52.08 | Bambi_BOFH | dpkg: ping |
| 03:52.08 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:52.11 | Bambi_BOFH | hm. |
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| 03:52.25 | Bambi_BOFH | dpkg: utc |
| 03:52.25 | dpkg | methinks utc is Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart |
| 03:52.25 | iateadonut | roge: i missed the beginning of the conversation, but you've tried giFT and giFT-curs, right? |
| 03:52.44 | Supaplex | wng-: you're talking about a subset. we don't know exactly what combo you're looking for. you can add, right? add them up, you'll see. |
| 03:53.01 | wng- | Supaplex, im talking about just the base files installed by the install CD |
| 03:53.11 | Supaplex | that's netinst alone. |
| 03:53.13 | Supaplex | !netinst |
| 03:53.14 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. |
| 03:53.33 | Supaplex | it's less than 200mb or something. (I think) |
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| 03:56.40 | sineer | hi! |
| 03:56.40 | C18H21NO3 | that's gonna hurt. Nyle gimme my preperation h cream back |
| 03:56.40 | aawd | hmm, can exim receive mail? |
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| 03:56.40 | sineer | anyone else have wierd problem with gitk and others tk apps using tk8.5 on unstable? |
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| 03:56.41 | Supaplex | sineer: what's bts say? |
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| 03:57.35 | jetscreamer | oh boy |
| 03:57.38 | jetscreamer | gunfire |
| 03:57.43 | jetscreamer | ooo 2 more |
| 03:58.07 | jetscreamer | guy wasn't just pulling the trigger spamming |
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| 03:59.35 | cire | Is there an option in kmail to send a mail at a certain point of time? |
| 04:00.57 | dondelelcaro | cire: dunno, but you can easily do that using at. |
| 04:01.24 | cire | dondelelcaro: at? |
| 04:01.55 | dondelelcaro | cire: ala echo 'sendmail foo@bar.com < /home/you/foomailmessage' |at 4pm tomorrow |
| 04:01.58 | dondelelcaro | cire: man at; for details. |
| 04:02.09 | dondelelcaro | (probably /usr/lib/sendmail, actually, but YMMV) |
| 04:02.25 | cire | dondelelcaro: okay, got the point. Thanks you. |
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| 04:02.38 | cire | s/Thanks/Thank/ |
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| 04:03.26 | eric_ramirez | I've come back |
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| 04:06.05 | iateadonut | eric_ramirez: you can download the tar from adobe's website, extract it, run ./install.sh (or whatever) from the command line as root, and install it into /usr/bin/iceweasel or /usr/lib/iceweasel; i foget which one. but, the install program pretty much tells you - you just have to change whatever they write for mozilla to iceweasel, or do whereis iceweasel. |
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| 04:07.10 | eric_ramirez | I already downloaded flashplayer.tar.gz for Linux, I unpacked it, and I got two files flashplayer-installer and libflashplayer.so , iateadonut |
| 04:07.56 | iateadonut | go to the terminal, login as rot, and run ./flashplayer-installer |
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| 04:09.59 | aawd | eric_ramirez: or use a backport, and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 04:10.10 | aawd | which is more clean. |
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| 04:11.03 | dennisonicc | Hi |
| 04:11.41 | dennisonicc | would debian be good for x86 500MHz 128Mb Ram ? |
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| 04:12.24 | dennisonicc | ? |
| 04:12.25 | theatro | dennisonicc, yes |
| 04:12.47 | piju | dennisonicc; yess |
| 04:12.52 | dennisonicc | ?? |
| 04:12.55 | dennisonicc | oh |
| 04:12.58 | dennisonicc | thanks |
| 04:13.02 | theatro | you will benefit if you get some more RAM |
| 04:13.15 | dennisonicc | ok |
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| 04:14.08 | dennisonicc | I use gentoo, I want to install debian on my next box for my sisters. |
| 04:14.25 | dennisonicc | which wm should I use on that box? |
| 04:16.07 | netdaemon | icewm |
| 04:16.11 | aawd | dennisonicc: you should go with a lightweight one |
| 04:16.18 | aawd | fluxbox |
| 04:16.25 | netdaemon | xfce is a de |
| 04:17.32 | dennisonicc | light and user friendly |
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| 04:17.47 | eric_ramirez | Just appeared "Your architecture, \ 'x86_64\' , is not supported by the Adobe Flash Player installer, iateadonut |
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| 04:22.19 | eric_ramirez | Any idea what is happening? |
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| 04:25.43 | dennisonicc | does the debian CD1 include ICEWM? |
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| 04:26.00 | amphi | eric_ramirez: there's no 64bit flash player for linux |
| 04:26.01 | iateadonut | maybe you downloaded the wrong one... either that, or adobe does not support x86 architecutre. |
| 04:26.35 | wols_ | !cd content |
| 04:26.35 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 04:26.47 | wols_ | eric_ramirez: there is no flashplayer for amd64 |
| 04:27.08 | wols_ | the choices you have are gnash, nspluginwrapper or the browser in a 32bit chroot |
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| 04:27.12 | wols_ | all of them sucj |
| 04:27.18 | wols_ | welcome to proprietary shit |
| 04:27.30 | simonrvn | !typosmite wols_ |
| 04:27.42 | snogglethorpe | i notice that compiz has reverted to 6.2... and suddenly if I start compiz, I don't get any titlebar/window-management-widgets/frame |
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| 04:27.50 | wols_ | simonrvn: can we rename it wolsmite by now? |
| 04:27.59 | snogglethorpe | I guess in the previous (6.3) versino in debian, this was hangled by the compiz-gtk package |
| 04:28.11 | wols_ | snogglethorpe: how did you revert? |
| 04:28.17 | simonrvn | wols_: hehe |
| 04:28.19 | snogglethorpe | wols_: I just did a normal upgrade |
| 04:28.24 | wols_ | snogglethorpe: bollogs |
| 04:28.28 | simonrvn | wols_: you need a special one |
| 04:28.34 | wols_ | debian never downgrades |
| 04:28.51 | snogglethorpe | wols_: the packages were epoched |
| 04:28.54 | wols_ | !tell snogglethorpe about downgrade |
| 04:29.12 | DawnLight | mv: inter-device move failed: `BT-TRUDYJANK7W7J4VBVYUNMW7LS4UFJ2T6/' to `/home/or/temp/BT-TRUDYJANK7W7J4VBVYUNMW7LS4UFJ2T6'; unable to remove target: Is a directory |
| 04:29.18 | DawnLight | what is this? |
| 04:29.22 | wols_ | there are some window borders/decroations or such packages for various DEs |
| 04:29.25 | wols_ | install one of them |
| 04:29.45 | snogglethorpe | wols_: the msg you sent me is irrelevant -- the packages were epoched |
| 04:29.48 | DawnLight | why could this error happen? |
| 04:29.56 | wols_ | DawnLight: cause the source is a dir? |
| 04:29.57 | snogglethorpe | wols_: i guess they found too many bugs in 6.3 or wahtever |
| 04:30.24 | DawnLight | wols_: it is... whats the problem |
| 04:30.45 | DawnLight | i've moved directories before just like i moved files |
| 04:30.48 | eric_ramirez | It's too strange, because my laptop uses an Intel Celeron or I am not understanding, wols |
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| 04:31.37 | hark | !info compiz |
| 04:31.41 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.6.3~git20080115.0ea58487-1 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 04:32.09 | hark | snogglethorpe: still 0.6.3 |
| 04:32.13 | snogglethorpe | wols_: anyway, so the new new "compiz-core" package says "Conflicts: compiz-gtk, Replaces: compiz-gtk" |
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| 04:32.30 | wols_ | snogglethorpe: you run sid? |
| 04:32.42 | snogglethorpe | wols_: yes |
| 04:32.55 | wols_ | so why do we even bother? |
| 04:33.08 | netdaemon | sid is fun stuff |
| 04:33.10 | snogglethorpe | wols_: why do you bother what? |
| 04:33.21 | netdaemon | all those nifty package wonkies |
| 04:33.25 | wols_ | snogglethorpe: with trubleshooting your sid? |
| 04:33.32 | snogglethorpe | wols_: because it's useful and friendyl? |
| 04:33.43 | wols_ | snogglethorpe: btw: apt-cache policy compiz |
| 04:33.49 | wols_ | !sid |
| 04:33.50 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 04:34.00 | snogglethorpe | wols_: I understand about sid, OK? |
| 04:34.12 | snogglethorpe | wols_: I'm asking for a bit of advice |
| 04:34.26 | wols_ | snogglethorpe: which is not provided here for sid actually |
| 04:34.35 | wols_ | sometimes it is out of goodwill. and I already asked you something |
| 04:34.52 | wols_ | since as hark showed you there is no compiz 0.6.2 apparently in sid |
| 04:35.47 | wols_ | and pdo agress with him |
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| 04:36.00 | wols_ | so a closer examination of your package is in order |
| 04:36.23 | eric_ramirez | I understand nothing, what can I do? |
| 04:36.47 | magyar | i got a source code of a package, how can i make a deb out of it? |
| 04:36.52 | wols_ | eric_ramirez: I gave you the three options you have. well there is a 4th: not to use flash content |
| 04:37.02 | wols_ | magyar: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 04:37.19 | hark | snogglethorpe: /msg dpkg bat |
| 04:37.25 | Xenguy | Q. I just added a 2nd hard-drive to a box, and now it takes noticeably longer to boot. It seems to take time around the GRUB stage, then finally kicks in and boots up fine. Anyone know why this might be, and how I could avoid the boot delay? |
| 04:37.26 | magyar | wols_: thank you |
| 04:37.33 | C18H21NO3 | non-free IS EVIL! it'll steal your children! runnnnn! |
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| 04:37.58 | Nyle | non free isn't evil |
| 04:38.42 | Bambi_BOFH | C18H21NO3: not 'runnnn' its 'nom nom nom' ;) |
| 04:38.44 | hark | it's eviler |
| 04:38.57 | C18H21NO3 | haha yeaw |
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| 04:40.38 | netdaemon | why are non-free repos provided if it's so evil ;) |
| 04:40.40 | abortd | so how do i do the debian online install? does it install a basic install first just to boot or something then you finish? |
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| 04:41.46 | netdaemon | abortd: it works the same way as a normal debian install, except it will fetch extra stuff from the net |
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| 04:42.06 | abortd | i have never installed debian before |
| 04:42.17 | abortd | so i dont know what the normal install is |
| 04:42.22 | snogglethorpe | hark: thanks for the note; the "apt-cache policy" command seems useful |
| 04:42.24 | netdaemon | ah |
| 04:42.41 | hark | abortd: you can do both |
| 04:42.41 | netdaemon | have you installed ubuntu the old school way befor using the alternative cd? |
| 04:42.51 | abortd | and the reason i asked is because i dont want to burn 50 cds and the online install involves me installing the driver for my wireless card |
| 04:43.05 | Bambi_BOFH | 50 cds? |
| 04:43.08 | netdaemon | abortd: you only need the first |
| 04:43.12 | Bambi_BOFH | anyay. heading off |
| 04:43.29 | abortd | every install i see for debian i see like 21 different iso files |
| 04:43.37 | netdaemon | the first cd contains most of the software that a user would install |
| 04:43.41 | abortd | cd1 cd2 cd3 and so on |
| 04:43.44 | netdaemon | the others are only if you want them |
| 04:43.51 | abortd | hm |
| 04:43.54 | abortd | so lets say |
| 04:43.59 | abortd | i download the first cd |
| 04:44.10 | abortd | install the stuff from it |
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| 04:44.18 | abortd | then i can decide to go back and do the rest? |
| 04:44.32 | netdaemon | you can get a basic gnome desktop from the first cd |
| 04:44.43 | netdaemon | you can fetch the rest of the stuff you need from the net |
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| 04:45.40 | kakashi_ | I have tried configuring ndiswrapper but then bcm43xx always loads |
| 04:45.44 | kakashi_ | how do I stop this |
| 04:45.47 | abortd | hm all i want is basic gnome i guess |
| 04:46.03 | eldereko | hey guys I've been trying for a week to install etch on a new system and every time after a clean install I get "volume group not found" when rebooting... does anyone have any ideas please? |
| 04:46.10 | kakashi_ | what should I put in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ |
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| 04:48.17 | netdaemon | abortd: do you have a network connection on the box you are installing it on? |
| 04:48.35 | abortd | through a wireless card |
| 04:49.19 | netdaemon | do you know what driver the card uses? |
| 04:49.34 | abortd | rt2500 im pretty sure |
| 04:49.54 | netdaemon | hm, havn't delt with those on linux |
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| 04:50.04 | netdaemon | mine have always been broadcom or atheros =\ |
| 04:50.09 | abortd | its just a regular linksys card |
| 04:50.13 | abortd | ah |
| 04:50.28 | abortd | i heard the new kernel is going to have the driver in it |
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| 04:51.05 | netdaemon | nice, the kernel just got stable with the broadcom driver for my card |
| 04:51.11 | netdaemon | well at least b43 made it more stable |
| 04:51.17 | abortd | ubuntu makes it already available for me to connect |
| 04:51.18 | netdaemon | i'm not sure what kernel that was included in |
| 04:51.34 | abortd | i dislike ubuntu though |
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| 04:51.42 | magyar | wols_: I untar the source and then cd into it, run dpkg-buildpackage and get "dpkg-buildpackage: failure: tail of debian/changelog gave error exit status 1" |
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| 04:52.26 | netdaemon | abortd: i dislike anything that thinks brown and orange is pretty |
| 04:52.33 | abortd | :P |
| 04:52.39 | netdaemon | poo brown =\ |
| 04:52.47 | abortd | i just wish i knew how to install this driver |
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| 04:53.56 | kakashi_ | netdaemon, even I have broadcom, I am installing debian 4.0 r1, I am not able to get the card working, I tried with ndiswrapper it partially worked when I installed, but after the reboot I got errors stating bcm43xx* not found |
| 04:54.02 | kakashi_ | how do I sove this |
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| 04:54.31 | netdaemon | did you blacklist the bcm43xx driver? |
| 04:54.39 | netdaemon | i know that ndiswrapper and that conflict |
| 04:54.46 | kakashi_ | netdaemon, how do I do that? |
| 04:55.02 | kakashi_ | what should I put in blacklist.d? |
| 04:55.10 | netdaemon | kakashi_: i just added blacklist bcm43xx to the end of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 04:55.36 | C18H21NO3 | !blacklist |
| 04:55.37 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 04:56.24 | kakashi_ | netdaemon, ah!! and then it worked is it? |
| 04:56.41 | C18H21NO3 | make sure it's not in /etc/modules - c/o bcm43xx* not found |
| 04:56.51 | netdaemon | kakashi_: i assume it would, if it's trying to load ndiswrapper and broadcom |
| 04:57.26 | magyar | hi, i've got source code for an app that is not in debian format, what do I need to add to the source to make dpkg-buildpackage compliant? |
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| 04:57.44 | kakashi_ | C18H21NO3, pardon me, I couldn't get your point |
| 04:58.21 | C18H21NO3 | maybe /etc/modules is trying to load it, causing the bcm43xx* not found messages |
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| 04:59.22 | kakashi_ | ah!! gotcha C18H21NO3!! let me try it out then |
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| 05:00.42 | galf | hi, good afternoon everybody. I found any "D" process on my host. How I should do. |
| 05:01.48 | galf | who can help me? |
| 05:02.33 | C18H21NO3 | your questions are incomplete |
| 05:03.51 | galf | sorry, I want to kill this "D" process, but I can't. |
| 05:04.28 | C18H21NO3 | D processes cannot process any signals until that I/O operation is complete |
| 05:05.07 | C18H21NO3 | s/process /handle / |
| 05:05.45 | galf | yes, I know, but this process is not I/O process. |
| 05:06.18 | C18H21NO3 | would it ever read or write to/from a disk? |
| 05:08.05 | galf | It is impossible, because it does not opportunity |
| 05:08.18 | C18H21NO3 | what is it? |
| 05:08.51 | galf | is BeagleDaemon, |
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| 05:09.51 | C18H21NO3 | opendir/readdir is a disk read |
| 05:10.14 | C18H21NO3 | find and logrotate sometimes see the same problem |
| 05:10.47 | grendal_prime | hey i got an ATI Technoligies inc Raedon mobilitiy m7 and im running etch |
| 05:10.47 | galf | oh i see |
| 05:11.10 | amphi | grendal_prime: I have one of those - 7500, no? |
| 05:11.11 | grendal_prime | i cant get derect rendering working |
| 05:11.34 | grendal_prime | ya thats the one...thats the bitch there |
| 05:11.46 | galf | thanks very much. |
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| 05:11.51 | C18H21NO3 | np galf |
| 05:11.55 | amphi | grendal_prime: mine works fine - it can even run compiz pretty well |
| 05:12.13 | amphi | grendal_prime: you have the kernel drm modules loaded? |
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| 05:14.14 | grendal_prime | i thought i did |
| 05:15.01 | hark | grendal_prime: is xorg installed? |
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| 05:17.23 | grendal_prime | xorg works |
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| 05:17.37 | grendal_prime | i have indirect rendering working |
| 05:17.52 | hark | grendal_prime: run LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |head |
| 05:19.59 | grendal_prime | libGL error: unable to load driver: radeon_dri.so |
| 05:20.29 | hark | is libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
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| 05:23.04 | BBHoss_Laptop | hi all i'm running debian etch and currently it's taking 12 minutes from the time of the reboot to come back up. Is there any way I can track down what might be holding it up? |
| 05:23.09 | wols_ | magyar: you cannot build a debian package from simply a tarball |
| 05:23.20 | wols_ | check logs |
| 05:23.33 | grendal_prime | hark: it wasnt installed im getting it |
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| 05:23.53 | hark | grendal_prime: yeah, which is why i asked about xorg. it would have pulled that in. :) |
| 05:24.37 | grendal_prime | i installed it xorg...im using it right now |
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| 05:24.52 | grendal_prime | its werid i though it was...installed |
| 05:24.55 | wols_ | grendal_prime: and what driver? |
| 05:24.55 | grendal_prime | restarting x |
| 05:25.02 | wols_ | it IS installed |
| 05:25.06 | wols_ | *sigh* |
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| 05:27.48 | BBHoss_Laptop | is there any way i can maybe `time` the startup process? or at least have it show times when it inits |
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| 05:28.56 | hark | !bootlog |
| 05:28.57 | dpkg | from memory, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 05:30.06 | aawd | when a mail is sent to user@domain.com, is it sent to mail.domain.com? |
| 05:31.01 | wols_ | aawd: no. it's sent to the MX record if any exists |
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| 05:34.03 | abortd | anyone know why gparted wont let me format to ntfs? |
| 05:34.40 | netdaemon | ntfsutils must not be installed |
| 05:35.00 | abortd | just is it in repos? |
| 05:35.06 | netdaemon | ntfsprogs* |
| 05:35.14 | netdaemon | yes |
| 05:35.50 | abortd | nice ubuntu is based on debian :D |
| 05:36.13 | netdaemon | lots of distros are |
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| 05:36.23 | wols_ | abortd: we still don't support ubuntu |
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| 05:36.36 | abortd | haha i know |
| 05:36.42 | abortd | im trying to switch to debian |
| 05:36.43 | abortd | :P |
| 05:37.01 | path_ | do not try it, do it ;) |
| 05:37.08 | wols_ | then formatting to ntfs is the wrong way |
| 05:37.22 | abortd | i want a windows partition |
| 05:37.24 | abortd | for skype |
| 05:37.31 | wols_ | then use windows to create it |
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| 05:37.36 | wols_ | and there is a skype for linux too btw |
| 05:37.41 | netdaemon | ext3 or jfs for netdaemon |
| 05:37.51 | abortd | i cant use windows to create it with my disc |
| 05:38.02 | abortd | it either formats the harder drive |
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| 05:38.09 | abortd | or uses the closest nfs file system |
| 05:38.10 | wols_ | abortd: bullshit |
| 05:38.21 | abortd | i've done it 100 times |
| 05:38.28 | abortd | you run a vpr matrix and tell me |
| 05:38.29 | wols_ | rescue CD? |
| 05:38.34 | abortd | yeah |
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| 05:39.06 | wols_ | it will probably overwrite everything regardless |
| 05:39.15 | abortd | nah |
| 05:39.18 | abortd | i hope not |
| 05:39.21 | abortd | atleast |
| 05:40.16 | abortd | here we go i guess |
| 05:40.19 | abortd | bbiab |
| 05:42.22 | DawnLight | how to i know which process listens on a certain port? |
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| 05:46.37 | netdaemon | netstat i believe |
| 05:47.32 | RyanRyan52 | DawnLight: netstat -p |
| 05:47.35 | hark | lsof -i :port |
| 05:47.51 | pabix | Hello, I am looking to a way to downscale an image with convert with a file weight target (e.g. 96 kilobytes). Do you have a convert option to do it? |
| 05:48.19 | pabix | s=looking to=looking for |
| 05:48.53 | magyar | wols_: what about "checkinstall" ? |
| 05:48.57 | pabix | or any other software that can do such a thing |
| 05:49.04 | dondelelcaro | pabix: the only way I can think of is to do a binary search on -quality |
| 05:49.37 | dondelelcaro | pabix: there's no option to do it directly in convert that I'm aware of, but it'd be pretty trivial to write a small wrapper to do it |
| 05:49.44 | pabix | binary search? OK am going to read the doc |
| 05:50.23 | dondelelcaro | pabix: as in start at 50, go to 25 if big, 75 if small, etc. |
| 05:50.28 | pabix | But I think the compression rate depends on the complexity of the image, hence it is not that trivial |
| 05:50.58 | dondelelcaro | pabix: the wrapper is trivial; it's going to be expensive in time, but trivial in implementation |
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| 05:51.21 | pabix | oh, with different tries... |
| 05:51.21 | dondelelcaro | pabix: is there any reason why it has to be 96K, btw? |
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| 05:52.03 | dondelelcaro | pabix: yes; knowing what I know of the jpeg implementation, it's not clear to me how you can do it without trying to compress it. Someone who is an expert on the format may know better, though. |
| 05:52.07 | pabix | Actually I'm using an online service that processes images but won't accept more than 96Kb |
| 05:52.19 | string | anyone have an idea why my external hd won't show up in /dev ? |
| 05:52.22 | dondelelcaro | pabix: processes them in what way? |
| 05:52.29 | dondelelcaro | string: what does dmesg; say? |
| 05:52.35 | hark | RyanRyan52: should be netstat -pl instead :) |
| 05:52.48 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, 96K is *nothing*) |
| 05:52.53 | pabix | dondelelcaro, actually it is not for me, but for a friend, so I do not know really much about it |
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| 05:53.18 | niru | how to close a open window using command |
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| 05:53.26 | dondelelcaro | niru: xkill or similar. |
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| 05:53.30 | string | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/930011 |
| 05:53.33 | pabix | I agree, 96K for an image is quite small except with the djvu format |
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| 05:54.00 | dondelelcaro | string: it's /dev/sda1 |
| 05:54.38 | hark | niru: depends on the wm, but wmctrl can do so |
| 05:55.06 | newdebuser | About an hour ago I did something very stupid on the server I maintain for work... I had an md raid5 with 6 disks.... It became degraded to 5 disks... So I made a spare become active and it began syncing...10%.... Then I was impulsive and thought I would unplug the damaged disk which I could hear scratching.... BUT I UNPLUGGED THE WRONG ONE..... mdadm said the array now only has 4 disks... one is "stale" and the one I unplugged now says out |
| 05:55.15 | string | dondelelcaro: when I ls /dev there's no sda1 |
| 05:57.08 | string | can I format it as ext3 with fdisk if it's not in /dev ? |
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| 05:57.35 | C18H21NO3 | string: fdisk will signal the kernel about the new layout. |
| 05:57.44 | C18H21NO3 | upon saving the new table |
| 05:57.47 | niru | hark, that command itself is not there |
| 05:58.25 | string | C18H21NO3, will mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1 do the trick? |
| 05:59.09 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 05:59.17 | dondelelcaro | string: it should be in /dev, but if you |
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| 05:59.32 | dondelelcaro | string: 're talking about fdisk, that's partitioning, not formatting. |
| 05:59.34 | C18H21NO3 | what 'trick' are you looking for? if the kernel has the wrong idea, /dev/sda1 might not be what you want. |
| 05:59.34 | paul--- | I have multiple ip addresses on my dedicated server, and want the ability to rate limit by IP and measure bandwidth by IP. I've investigated this endlessly.. but snmp is flawed as it only measures bw on the interface (eth0) not (eth0:1.. etc) .. how can i get round this? |
| 05:59.48 | C18H21NO3 | paul---: iptables |
| 05:59.52 | string | I want to be able to mount the disk |
| 06:00.06 | string | ideally formatted as ext3 |
| 06:00.18 | string | http://pastebin.ca/930015 is what I get when I ls /dev |
| 06:00.19 | paul--- | C18H21NO3: does this do q0s/rate limiting too? |
| 06:00.20 | C18H21NO3 | string: is there anything on the disk now you still want to keep? |
| 06:00.25 | paul--- | is there a howto anywhere? |
| 06:00.39 | string | no it was FAT32 before and the filesystem broke |
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| 06:00.56 | Kurin | Okay so, apparently libldap2 is installed by default because apt requires it. Now, I want to replace it with libldap2.3, but apt-get doesn't replace libldap2 with libldap2.3. How can I do this without breaking out of apt entirely? |
| 06:00.58 | string | I recovered what I could and am ready to do it ext3 now |
| 06:01.01 | paul--- | it'll be hda1 ? |
| 06:01.03 | C18H21NO3 | paul---: it'll do accounting. I don't recall what utility does rate limiting |
| 06:01.05 | dondelelcaro | paul---: incomming traffic isn't muxh of a problem, but you're probably more interested in outgoing traffic. |
| 06:01.18 | dondelelcaro | tc is what does rate limiting, actually |
| 06:01.23 | Kurin | This is in etch, if it matters |
| 06:02.22 | C18H21NO3 | string: okay. you'll want to use fdisk to flag the partition as ext2/3 too. but mkfs.ext3 /device might be all you need. (I'm not familar with the other switches you used) |
| 06:03.07 | string | thanks C18H21NO3, but what's my device? fdisk -l doesn't show my external and there's no sda1 in /dev |
| 06:03.13 | dondelelcaro | string: hrm... you should see sda1 there. try unplugging it and plugging it back in |
| 06:03.34 | dondelelcaro | string: you are using udev, right? |
| 06:04.04 | string | dondelelcaro: I don't know |
| 06:04.06 | C18H21NO3 | string: then the kernel might not know it yet. cat /proc/partitions - fdisk the drive if it has a bad/unfit table. |
| 06:04.46 | string | I see sda1 when I cat /proc/partitions |
| 06:05.03 | string | but not when Is /dev |
| 06:05.04 | dondelelcaro | string: stat /dev/.static |
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| 06:05.16 | dondelelcaro | string: ps axfu|grep udev; will also be informative |
| 06:05.48 | string | http://pastebin.ca/930017 |
| 06:06.07 | Flashylight | i cant apt live-helper |
| 06:06.21 | Flashylight | why could that be? |
| 06:06.36 | string | http://pastebin.ca/930019 |
| 06:07.00 | string | not sure what I'm looking for here |
| 06:07.34 | DawnLight | how to i know which process listens on a certain port? |
| 06:08.13 | DawnLight | nevermind |
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| 06:09.44 | string | dondelelcaro: where do I go from here? I would hate for the answer to be a Windoze machine lol |
| 06:10.29 | dondelelcaro | string: yeah, you're using udev. Based on the output that I'm seeing so far though, it looks like there's some kind of problem with the usb device. |
| 06:11.01 | dondelelcaro | string: basically, you shouldn't be seeing things like 'usb 2-1: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2' at all |
| 06:11.23 | string | dondelelcaro: yeah the filesystem crashed and I tried reforatting with linux, os x, and windows, but no dice |
| 06:11.27 | dondelelcaro | string: so your problem may not actually be that the filesystem went bad, but that the drive is going (or the controller is going) |
| 06:12.02 | string | dondelelcaro: maybe but I could read from it and mount it in linux before I attempted to reformat |
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| 06:12.18 | dondelelcaro | string: since udev is trying to get information on the device (that's what that process nobody 31549 0.0 0.1 2300 820 ? D< 01:04 0:00 \_ /lib/udev/vol_id --export /dev/.tmp-8-0 ) is doing, but it's failing. |
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| 06:12.40 | string | it would not mount in os x and windows would lock up... I had to use specialized file recovery software to get my files |
| 06:12.51 | dondelelcaro | string: see what dmesg; reports now |
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| 06:13.51 | string | dondelelcaro: it's saying I've got a "dead device": http://www.pastebin.ca/930026 |
| 06:14.03 | string | any chance we can reincarnate? |
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| 06:14.45 | dondelelcaro | string: you don't want to waste any time on it |
| 06:14.45 | string | oh I disconnected it for a sec while I switched from my onboard usb 1.1 to my pcmcia usb 2.0 |
| 06:15.02 | string | maybe that's where the dead device message is coming from |
| 06:15.24 | dondelelcaro | string: nah, it's happening after it got reconnected |
| 06:15.49 | dondelelcaro | (at least, assuming the dmesg I'm seeing from after you reconnected it) |
| 06:16.11 | string | no chance I can save this thing then? |
| 06:16.13 | dondelelcaro | string: so yeah, almost definetly the drive (or the usb controller) is toast |
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| 06:16.46 | dondelelcaro | string: if you're really concerned about money, you can take it apart to see which bit actually died, and replace the bit that didn't, but I wouldn't use it for storing anything |
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| 06:17.07 | string | it was working decently before I tried to format, could an aborted formatting have toasted it? |
| 06:17.11 | dondelelcaro | nope |
| 06:17.29 | dondelelcaro | what you're seeing now is drive and/or controller failure |
| 06:17.56 | dondelelcaro | it's possible that when you first plugged it in it was cold enough to allow you to format and extract data, but it's definetly not happy now. |
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| 06:18.09 | dondelelcaro | (failing hardware can do some very *odd* things) |
| 06:18.33 | string | time for a new external I guess |
| 06:18.40 | dondelelcaro | that's what I'd suggest, yes. |
| 06:18.57 | string | I'll see if I can't work some Partition Magic with a windows machine though |
| 06:19.16 | dondelelcaro | if it's not under waranty, you can try taking it apart and seeing if the drive is still salvageable; it's probably a normal ata or sata drive |
| 06:19.31 | dondelelcaro | (or conversely, the controller is still salvageable) |
| 06:20.04 | string | what would you recommend doing with the drive? use it in a Desktop system? |
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| 06:21.59 | dondelelcaro | string: well, see if the drive still works first, is what I'd do. |
| 06:24.52 | dondelelcaro | string: I'd suspect that the drive is just toast, and that would mean that you could just replace it in the same enclosure. |
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| 06:25.45 | string | dondelelcaro: ok I'll shop for a new disk, hopefully I can find one this size for less than I paid for the unit |
| 06:26.46 | DawnLight | http://mirror.isoc.org.il etch Release.gpg [ERROR] |
| 06:26.46 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.13 | DawnLight | this is from aptitude's update. why could this happen? |
| 06:27.39 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: because the remote closed the connection |
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| 06:28.07 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: why would it? i'm using a different box to update from it and it is fine |
| 06:28.34 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: could be anything; could be the server is restarting, could be that child died, could be someone spoofed a close |
| 06:29.04 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: if you're behind a firewall, that could be to blame... it's basically anything. (but it's not aptitude's fault) |
| 06:29.29 | DawnLight | this happens continueously dondelelcaro |
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| 06:30.00 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: i am behind a common home router |
| 06:30.08 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: does it happen when you use a different mirror? |
| 06:30.09 | pgpkeys | evening dondelelcaro |
| 06:30.25 | hark | niru: yeah, so install it :) |
| 06:32.42 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: it happens with a different mirror |
| 06:33.01 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: do you have any iptables rules on that computer? |
| 06:33.53 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: negative |
| 06:34.17 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: hrm.. well, I'd suspect your router then, without knowing anything else specific. |
| 06:34.36 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: does it always happen consistently? or is it at random? |
| 06:34.44 | DawnLight | could this be a bad wireless interface driver? |
| 06:34.54 | DawnLight | it is consistant. exactly the same error |
| 06:35.03 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: that's another possibility, but I'd expect that to be more random. |
| 06:35.05 | DawnLight | i'm using ndiswrapper |
| 06:35.11 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: which wireless card is it? |
| 06:35.31 | DawnLight | Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03) |
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| 06:35.53 | dondelelcaro | huh. don't know that one |
| 06:36.27 | DawnLight | router? router didn't give any trouble ever |
| 06:36.58 | DawnLight | the error didn't occur this time i've tried... |
| 06:37.07 | DawnLight | and this time it did |
| 06:37.21 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: with a totally different mirror? |
| 06:37.28 | DawnLight | and now it didn't... |
| 06:37.38 | DawnLight | ahm... yeah |
| 06:38.29 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: does that happen with any other http connections? |
| 06:38.47 | DawnLight | i'll try wgetting something |
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| 06:42.55 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: i'm wgetting stuff succesfully and aptitude does update from other sources. i've also found that it is inconsistent. does aptitude check md5sums of packages before installation? |
| 06:43.14 | DawnLight | don't want to bork my system because of noisy connection |
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| 06:44.00 | C18H21NO3 | it keeps incomplete downloads in a different directory |
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| 06:44.18 | DawnLight | what does this have to do with it? |
| 06:44.35 | C18H21NO3 | it'll redownload them if they don't finish |
| 06:44.56 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: it does, but it won't fail with that error. |
| 06:44.56 | C18H21NO3 | see the topic for public keys. signed debs are checked. |
| 06:45.05 | SerajewelKS | DawnLight: the decompression will fail if they are corrupted |
| 06:45.09 | valdyn | DawnLight: you get quite a few layers checking the data |
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| 06:45.23 | DawnLight | nice response rate... |
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| 06:47.20 | DawnLight | funny shit. it is inconsistant. why would an http server close the connection? blah |
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| 06:47.47 | abortd | if i have a windows partition before my swap and ext 3 will it hurt anything? |
| 06:48.02 | C18H21NO3 | abortd: order of them? no |
| 06:48.02 | DawnLight | no |
| 06:48.03 | SerajewelKS | abortd: no |
| 06:48.50 | abortd | nice |
| 06:48.50 | DawnLight | http://mirror.isoc.org.il etch/non-free Packages [ERROR] |
| 06:48.50 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.50 | abortd | i just killed my mp3 collection :P |
| 06:48.50 | abortd | got a few backed up though |
| 06:48.58 | DawnLight | all three sections failed |
| 06:49.29 | C18H21NO3 | maybe apt-zip is for you... |
| 06:49.36 | C18H21NO3 | !tell DawnLight -about apt-zip |
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| 06:50.18 | grendal_prime | thanks that did the job |
| 06:50.29 | DawnLight | yuck. sneakernet while i've got payed-for internet? |
| 06:50.32 | grendal_prime | got my direct rendering working |
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| 06:51.20 | C18H21NO3 | DawnLight: just an idea to abstract it. |
| 06:51.59 | DawnLight | now when i ask aptitude to make some security upgrades, it warns me about signatures |
| 06:52.18 | DawnLight | what the funk is going on... |
| 06:52.49 | DawnLight | this has to do with signatures, i think |
| 06:54.14 | DawnLight | http://www.mirrorservice.org etch-backports Release.gpg [ERROR] |
| 06:54.14 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.31 | DawnLight | i can't debug this |
| 06:54.53 | C18H21NO3 | there are different keys too. sure you have the right ones installed? |
| 06:55.05 | DawnLight | i haven't touched anything |
| 06:55.16 | DawnLight | i don't even know how these keys work |
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| 06:55.27 | DawnLight | something about Gs and Ps |
| 06:55.37 | C18H21NO3 | how long have you used packages from backports? |
| 06:55.57 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 06:56.07 | DawnLight | on this box? |
| 06:56.18 | tengulre | which package I need installed when I running gnome env? |
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| 06:56.55 | C18H21NO3 | yes. if you're missing they key, you'll get a warning about it. now if the package is damaged, I'm not sure what happens. |
| 06:57.01 | C18H21NO3 | !tell tengulre -about gnome |
| 06:57.24 | C18H21NO3 | I have work in a few hours, so goodnight. |
| 06:57.30 | DawnLight | C18H21NO3: night |
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| 07:00.20 | tengulre | C18H21NO3, Yes, I install gnome package, but I can not running startx, I got could not found /etc/X11/x ?? |
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| 07:01.12 | hark | tengulre: install xorg |
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| 07:02.00 | DawnLight | tengulre: and install gdm if you want to |
| 07:02.14 | tengulre | OK! |
| 07:02.19 | tengulre | I try it now! |
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| 07:08.47 | DawnLight | wtf is this error. this shouldn't happen, not even in hell |
| 07:09.37 | jim_p | DawnLight: what error? |
| 07:10.07 | DawnLight | http://mirror.isoc.org.il etch Release.gpg [ERROR] |
| 07:10.08 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.30 | DawnLight | jim_p: this happens sometimes when updating apt |
| 07:10.50 | jim_p | i know |
| 07:11.15 | DawnLight | what do you know |
| 07:11.15 | jim_p | it does happen to me when they do maintenance stuff on the greek server |
| 07:11.21 | jim | oh gawd almighty... pick another mirror |
| 07:12.08 | DawnLight | it doesn't help to pick another mirror and this mirror works from a different network |
| 07:12.09 | jim_p | yes, the best solution is to have a second set of repos inside sources.list |
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| 07:12.47 | jim | doesn't help? so you've tried? |
| 07:13.20 | DawnLight | yes i did |
| 07:13.36 | DawnLight | same error and same problem exactly |
| 07:13.37 | jim | and same -exact- result? |
| 07:13.47 | jim | on the same file? |
| 07:14.14 | DawnLight | and if i don't get that error, i get some of these http://mirror.isoc.org.il etch/non-free Sources [ERROR] |
| 07:14.14 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.30 | jim_p | :| |
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| 07:14.40 | jim_p | you are still using the same mirror! |
| 07:14.46 | jim | so you're trying to do apt-get update? |
| 07:15.15 | DawnLight | i've switched back to it because it didn't help to use a different one |
| 07:15.20 | jim | here, paste your sources.list |
| 07:15.38 | fignew | DawnLight: is this your personal network? |
| 07:15.39 | DawnLight | i'm pressing u inside aptitude and tried apt-get update also |
| 07:15.57 | DawnLight | fignew: i manage it |
| 07:16.01 | jim | probably that does the same thing? |
| 07:16.04 | fignew | ok |
| 07:16.10 | DawnLight | same thing |
| 07:16.18 | jim_p | paste your sources.list somewhere for us to see! |
| 07:16.23 | fignew | there goes my theory... anyways: have you tried an FTP address? |
| 07:16.33 | jim | so you're trying your own mirror? |
| 07:16.55 | jim | and your purpose now is to get your mirror working? |
| 07:17.02 | DawnLight | it isn't my mirror |
| 07:17.29 | jim | if you manage it, it's more under your control than mine... |
| 07:17.35 | jim_p | lol! |
| 07:17.42 | DawnLight | its a debian mirror which i've used for months in several boxes and am using successfully now at another box |
| 07:17.42 | fignew | jim: we were talking about his network connection |
| 07:17.52 | jim | really? hmm |
| 07:17.55 | jim | is it working? |
| 07:18.05 | fignew | I was thinking a web proxy was getting in his way :/ |
| 07:18.08 | DawnLight | its working fine like it always had |
| 07:18.26 | jim | ok, so you've verified there's nothing wrong with the mirro |
| 07:18.37 | DawnLight | http://pastebin.ca/930060 |
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| 07:18.51 | suppaman | hello |
| 07:19.08 | DawnLight | hi suppaman |
| 07:19.45 | jim_p | excluding the fact that the .il mirror is down, as you say, the rest of the file is ok! |
| 07:19.56 | DawnLight | what is?? |
| 07:20.09 | jim | the mirror he's using is down? |
| 07:20.27 | jim | ok, we're getting conflicting results here... focus people! |
| 07:20.29 | suppaman | I'm on etch installed on an ibook, I've got an issue with self network manager. I think I'm using gnome as there's that ugly foot on Applications menu, is it IT here? |
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| 07:20.40 | DawnLight | the mirror is up |
| 07:20.45 | egoleo | hell guys |
| 07:20.47 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.58 | DawnLight | and i've tried other mirrors. same error |
| 07:21.13 | DawnLight | i'm afraid this sucks |
| 07:21.17 | egoleo | plse someone help me with ubuntu 7.10 installation which gives me busybox after rebooting |
| 07:21.20 | suppaman | the damn thing is isn't keeping settings, I have to configure routing and eth interface by hand every time, that's boring |
| 07:21.24 | DawnLight | !ubuntu |
| 07:21.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 07:21.28 | jim_p | i just noticed that the mirror is ok, i can even ping it! |
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| 07:21.36 | suppaman | plus it messes it up again on wake from suspend |
| 07:21.40 | jim | DawnLight: here's the thing... until we find out what sucks... we can't get sucked! |
| 07:21.44 | DawnLight | jim_p: yeah, you can browse it with your browser |
| 07:21.51 | jim_p | yea |
| 07:22.10 | DawnLight | i'd love to find out |
| 07:22.21 | egoleo | but plse what nomally causes busy box after debian installation |
| 07:22.33 | jim | eariler you said you got an error from gzip |
| 07:22.51 | jim | I wonder if some of your installation has been damaged? |
| 07:22.52 | jim_p | it may sound silly but... how about a traceroute? |
| 07:23.01 | jim_p | and see where it stops |
| 07:23.24 | DawnLight | jim: damaged? i'd prefer not to think so |
| 07:24.06 | jim | try: gzip --help |
| 07:24.12 | xsdg | suppaman: man 5 interfaces |
| 07:24.13 | jim | to see if it runs at all |
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| 07:24.34 | DawnLight | runs |
| 07:24.48 | xsdg | suppaman: basically, you want to edit /etc/network/interfaces with your desired settings, and they should be automatically set whenever the interface is brought up with `ifup' |
| 07:24.55 | jim | ok, compress something at random, and then dcompres it |
| 07:24.57 | xsdg | suppaman: (which is at least on boot, and likely other times) |
| 07:25.03 | suppaman | xsdg: thanks, I know interfaces, I'm asking why Network Manager keeps messing up an already working configuration |
| 07:25.07 | jim_p | voila! i just reache the .il mirror srom traceroute, so nothing is blocking my way up to there |
| 07:25.20 | xsdg | suppaman: oh, no idea |
| 07:25.36 | suppaman | xsdg: I think it's mainly a gnome question, that's why I asked if it was IT |
| 07:26.12 | jim_p | lol |
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| 07:26.35 | suppaman | plus I've connected an usb joypad but I can't see any device path in dmesg, pcsx asks for /dev/js0 but I can't find anything like js in dmesg, what driver should I need? |
| 07:27.07 | DawnLight | http://pastebin.ca/930066 this is my traceroute so far |
| 07:27.08 | jnguy | Is there a command for displaying the location of the file linked to by a symlink? |
| 07:27.17 | DawnLight | jnguy: ls -l |
| 07:28.13 | DawnLight | madness, i tell you, madness! |
| 07:28.14 | jnguy | DawnLight: er, just the the location. I'm trying to use it to do some scripting. Otherwise file works too |
| 07:28.50 | jnguy | I could use the things mentioned above, but I want to do less string manipulation if possible. |
| 07:28.56 | jim_p | not even a single step matches my traceroute up to there! |
| 07:29.08 | suppaman | how can I find what driver provides what device? |
| 07:29.16 | DawnLight | jim: that is only natural |
| 07:29.25 | DawnLight | i mean jim_p |
| 07:29.28 | jim_p | ok |
| 07:29.38 | jim_p | but... not even the last ones? |
| 07:29.42 | xsdg | jnguy: readlink |
| 07:29.43 | suppaman | jnguy: cut it |
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| 07:29.58 | DawnLight | some should |
| 07:30.04 | jim_p | see? |
| 07:30.13 | DawnLight | the IIX should |
| 07:30.16 | jnguy | xsdg: readlink is exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks. |
| 07:30.30 | jnguy | suppaman: I didn't even know that existed. I went straight to awk... neat. |
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| 07:32.17 | DawnLight | http://debian-multimedia.fx-services.com etch Release.gpg [ERROR] |
| 07:32.18 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.29 | DawnLight | there's something wrong with networking |
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| 07:32.48 | DawnLight | deeply wrong |
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| 07:33.22 | DawnLight | malisciously corrupt and badly borked |
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| 07:34.16 | jim_p | something "circumvents" your network DawnLight |
| 07:34.22 | suppaman | bye |
| 07:34.26 | jim_p | bye |
| 07:34.33 | DawnLight | something evil? |
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| 07:34.58 | jim_p | i dont know :( |
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| 07:35.22 | jim_p | do you have another pc to do the same traceroute thing? |
| 07:35.45 | tarzeau | what's the difference between version 2 and 1 quota? |
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| 07:36.52 | DawnLight | jim_p: i've another in a different network |
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| 07:37.13 | jim_p | try it there! |
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| 07:37.51 | yigal | does anyone here use beagle, for desktop searches? |
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| 07:37.53 | jamesdell | DawnLight: netsplit? |
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| 07:38.09 | Dewi | Does anyone have any ideas what could be put in place to prevent PHP becoming a source of spam? (Keeping in mind that cutting off all access to mail is not an option) |
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| 07:38.20 | jim_p | dont go away, i am going to make breakfast |
| 07:38.38 | DawnLight | i've lost connection to that box because after ifconfig wlan0 down && ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 07:38.38 | yigal | jim_p: what kind? |
| 07:38.43 | loma1 | i am getting error when i start the xen |
| 07:38.57 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:38.58 | jamesdell | ah |
| 07:39.05 | DawnLight | Dewi: how does php become a source of spam? |
| 07:39.15 | jamesdell | dimir: morning too |
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| 07:40.00 | Dewi | DawnLight: finding a way to execute code, hit port 25 of a mail server or call mail() or shell to sendmail |
| 07:40.03 | loma1 | it is detecting the iso image but it is giving the error as follows " FATAL : could not read the boot disk " |
| 07:40.20 | XoX | is there a default run level for lauchning X on boot ? |
| 07:40.27 | XoX | launching |
| 07:40.35 | Dewi | DawnLight: "executing code" might mean PHP code or it might mean exploiting weakness in the wrapping of another API call and getting bash to do something horrible |
| 07:40.43 | DawnLight | Dewi: setup authentication in your mta? |
| 07:41.12 | dimir | XoX: depends on a distro. In Debian it's 2. |
| 07:41.16 | Dewi | DawnLight: most things that send mail don't really know how to do that |
| 07:41.34 | Dewi | DawnLight: sendmail is expected to just "make it happen" |
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| 07:42.04 | Dewi | DawnLight: and anyway, if you've hijacked the script you can get a mail password from a config file |
| 07:42.15 | jim | XoX: by default all debian runlevels are identical |
| 07:42.41 | loma1 | xen is detecting the iso image but it is giving the error as follows " FATAL : could not read the boot disk " |
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| 07:42.50 | Dewi | DawnLight: they tend to be mentioned at the top of every PHP file |
| 07:43.48 | DawnLight | Dewi: php safe mode? |
| 07:43.55 | Dewi | DawnLight: I think the only way is to only run code you trust, but I don't trust the average PHP developer and I don't have time to vet every plugin some client wants to run |
| 07:44.16 | Dewi | DawnLight: I don't think PHP safe mode does much to lock down mail use, and it's deprecated |
| 07:44.29 | DawnLight | Dewi: #php? :) |
| 07:45.00 | loma1 | after starting the xen , i feel that something is running at back , since the cursor movement is somewhat slow |
| 07:45.09 | Dewi | DawnLight: this isn't a PHP coding question, it's a server admin question, and they won't have an answer. But I'll ask there too :) |
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| 07:46.01 | DawnLight | i'm going to kick some young nooby nexuiz butt |
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| 07:47.10 | XoX | sorry , got disconnected , question is if there is a init level that will auto launch X |
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| 07:47.52 | jim | XoX: by default all debian runlevels are identical |
| 07:48.26 | jim | well 2,3,4,5 are identical... 0,1,6 are special |
| 07:49.23 | XoX | so what can i do |
| 07:49.30 | jim | about? |
| 07:50.05 | XoX | about X running on boot |
| 07:50.46 | jim | does X run at all? |
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| 07:51.19 | DukGalNamu | http://www.badjasmine.com/ex-girlfriends/index.php?key=potcz4sfk6qnb2 |
| 07:51.22 | DukGalNamu | :P |
| 07:51.24 | jaggz- | what would let me make keyboard macros? |
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| 07:51.43 | jaggz- | I'd like to map some keystroke to take what's in the clipboard, go to term 4, paste it, etc. |
| 07:51.45 | XoX | jim: sure |
| 07:52.04 | jim | and you want exactly what? |
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| 07:52.08 | XoX | !! |
| 07:52.08 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 07:52.24 | XoX | launch X on boot |
| 07:52.30 | jaggz- | I really dislike the limited gnome key-stroke assignments to established routines.. and that's it... |
| 07:52.44 | jaggz- | (that was from gnome 2 years ago, not sure of its current state) |
| 07:52.49 | jim | ok, try this... apt-get install xdm |
| 07:53.25 | XoX | jim: i dont want a display manager |
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| 07:54.28 | dondelelcaro | XoX: uh... if you want X to start on boot, you almost certainly want a DM unless this is some kind of kiosk, and you don't care about who gets root on the machine |
| 07:54.29 | jim | then you're going to have to work out how you will run x at boot... the only -packaged- way is to use a display mgr |
| 07:55.31 | XoX | dondelelcaro: exactly |
| 07:55.35 | dondelelcaro | (and the trivial way to do an autologin is to use a DM, though I personally just run X directly out of inittab) |
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| 07:56.01 | dondelelcaro | and if you can't figure out on your own how to run X directly out of inittab, you probably shouldn't be |
| 07:56.16 | XoX | dondelelcaro: i can i just wanted to her ppls opinion |
| 07:56.21 | XoX | dondelelcaro: hear |
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| 07:56.31 | dondelelcaro | well, there's really nothing to have an opinion about |
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| 07:56.48 | loma1 | xen is detecting the iso image but it is giving the error as follows " FATAL : could not read the boot disk " |
| 07:57.00 | jim | XoX; then you're not really being straight with us |
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| 07:58.21 | jamesdell | lol |
| 07:59.28 | jim | and unless you ask I'm not going into that (or anything else) with you |
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| 08:00.41 | XoX | dondelelcaro: why put it in inittab and not one of the run levels ? besides the fact that in inittab it can respawn is there any advantage |
| 08:01.18 | dondelelcaro | XoX: you just named the primary advantage. |
| 08:01.45 | dondelelcaro | (and inittab *does* support runlevels) |
| 08:02.21 | XoX | i ment putting a script in one of the rcX |
| 08:02.23 | XoX | dirs |
| 08:02.41 | dondelelcaro | if you're going to do that, you have to write a daemon as a wrapper around X to respawn it. |
| 08:02.46 | XoX | instead of putting the exectuable path in inittab file |
| 08:03.00 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's hard to do, but it's more useless work that I generally don't want to do |
| 08:03.02 | jim | or use something like daemontools |
| 08:03.12 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 08:03.32 | dondelelcaro | I'm not particularly in to doing useless work if I don't have to |
| 08:03.48 | jim | and that doesn't really support runlevels |
| 08:05.05 | Tapout | with a new Cor2duo e6550, do you use AMD as the platform? |
| 08:05.11 | Tapout | core |
| 08:05.30 | cafuego | Tapout: Not normally, but you could if you wanted to. |
| 08:05.38 | jim | amd64 if you want 64 bit |
| 08:05.40 | cafuego | Tapout: For a desktop box, I'd stick with i386. |
| 08:05.53 | jim | well not the kernel but yeah, |
| 08:06.15 | Tapout | i want 64bit, box is for local db+backups .. so may as well do 64, thanks fellas |
| 08:06.37 | jim | careful there... |
| 08:06.47 | cafuego | Yeah, for database stuff 64bit is a bit quicker. mine runs amd64 too,. |
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| 08:07.27 | jim | if you do an amd64 dist, the compiler for that won't build all the packages right |
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| 08:08.26 | DawnLight | amd64 is ok |
| 08:08.45 | ravila | hmm |
| 08:08.58 | ravila | does anyone know how to create kbuild package from custom kernel? |
| 08:09.08 | jim | and of course that would be why I started this desktop with amd64 and then replaced it |
| 08:09.11 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 08:09.11 | dpkg | from memory, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 08:09.14 | dondelelcaro | ravila: see above |
| 08:09.21 | jaggz- | how do I choose kde as my desktop environment? |
| 08:10.26 | ravila | hmm.. |
| 08:10.28 | jaggz- | dpkg, kde? |
| 08:10.28 | dpkg | well, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
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| 08:11.48 | Tapout | Are there instructions for setting up the USB flash for installing debian ... they've got instructions for setting it up with linux, I've got windows :( |
| 08:12.06 | Tapout | this here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#id2534268 |
| 08:12.25 | Tapout | hrm, i guess just extracting is fine |
| 08:12.42 | dondelelcaro | Tapout: you pretty much need a machine running Debian for the initial step unless rawrite works for usb devices. |
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| 08:13.33 | ravila | dondelelcaro: I've allready created linux-headers-2.6.25-rc4_custom.1.0_i386.deb linux-image-2.6.25-rc4_custom.1.0_i386.deb |
| 08:13.40 | jim | s/debian/any linux/ |
| 08:13.50 | jim | including a live cd |
| 08:14.14 | ravila | but missing only the linux-kbuild-2.6.35-rc4_custom.1.0_i386.dep |
| 08:14.26 | jim | ravila: so what's th problem then? |
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| 08:14.42 | jim | 2.6.35? :) |
| 08:15.05 | ravila | the dpkg command recreates the packages |
| 08:15.28 | ravila | do I need that linux-kbuild-xxxxx.dep for something? |
| 08:15.55 | dondelelcaro | ravila: the headers package is enough |
| 08:15.59 | ravila | ok |
| 08:16.10 | ravila | allso when trying to compile custom module loop-aes I get error |
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| 08:16.34 | ravila | loop-AES/tmp-d-kbuild/patched-loop.c:72:26: linux/config.h: No such file or directory |
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| 08:17.02 | ravila | I'm using fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 modules_image command to create the loop-aes package |
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| 08:17.12 | jim | did you install the headers package? |
| 08:17.23 | ravila | I haven't changed to that kernel yet |
| 08:17.31 | ravila | and haven't installed those packages yet |
| 08:17.38 | jim | do you have the question? |
| 08:18.03 | ravila | shouldn't the command work as expected? |
| 08:18.16 | ravila | I have linked linux to linux-2.6.25rc4 |
| 08:18.52 | jim | the debian kernel build systems have expectatations of their own |
| 08:18.56 | jim | do you have the question? |
| 08:18.59 | jim | did you install the headers package? |
| 08:19.22 | ravila | installing it at the moment |
| 08:19.46 | ravila | installed it |
| 08:19.50 | ravila | and still doesn't compile |
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| 08:19.58 | jim | it's that headers package that should enable you to build modules for that kernel |
| 08:20.05 | jim | try with module-assistant |
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| 08:20.19 | ravila | yes but should I allready be running the kernel I want to build the modules? |
| 08:20.39 | ravila | or can I create modules for 2.6.25rc4 while running in my old 2.6.21 ? |
| 08:21.03 | ravila | with module-assistant it tries to build the modules for currently running kernel |
| 08:21.56 | jim | I don't think you have to be... consider this question: how does debian build kernel packages? can they build various kernels without actually running those kernels? if the answer is no, does debian have to boot a different kernel every time it compiles a kernel? |
| 08:22.05 | jim | or modules? |
| 08:22.18 | ravila | hmm.. no |
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| 08:22.53 | jim | to which question? |
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| 08:23.02 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 08:23.02 | jim | there were like 5 there :) |
| 08:23.09 | tengulre | how to configure the mouse in console? |
| 08:23.20 | ravila | well the one that requires kernel to be running |
| 08:23.42 | jim | so debian has to be running a kernel in order to build modules for it? |
| 08:23.53 | dondelelcaro | jim: no |
| 08:24.16 | dondelelcaro | ravila: and no, you don't have to be. m-a works fine without them running, as does anything else |
| 08:24.19 | jim | dondelelcaro: shh! I'm trying to get him to think! |
| 08:24.30 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 08:24.54 | ravila | ok se accurate question is that how can I specify m-a the kernel I want to build the module? |
| 08:25.07 | dondelelcaro | ravila: man m-a |
| 08:25.33 | jim | well now that the cat is out of the bag... consider the machines that churn out packages for the official debian archives |
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| 08:26.13 | jim | they don't reboot into certain kernels when building modules for those kernels... they just need the headers |
| 08:26.37 | jim | (and note, that symlink you made could confuse module-assistant) |
| 08:26.41 | ravila | can you tell me what linux-kbuild then if it's not needed? |
| 08:26.56 | jim | that part I'm not sure of |
| 08:27.07 | ravila | m-a prepare should create the correct symlinks.. |
| 08:27.13 | jim | yes |
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| 08:27.43 | ravila | just looking for away to give the correct parameters to m-a that it does create the correct symlinks |
| 08:28.07 | jim | try running m-a by itself :) |
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| 08:28.28 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 08:28.34 | jim | when I did that, I went "HOLY SHIT" |
| 08:28.47 | tengulre | how to confg mouse in console mode? |
| 08:29.06 | tengulre | help ! I entry gnome ,but I can not using mouse, shit! |
| 08:29.08 | jim | tengulre: dpkg-reconfigure gpm |
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| 08:29.44 | ravila | jim: actually running m-a is just poping up a menu with running kernel |
| 08:29.44 | tengulre | jim: OK ! try it now! |
| 08:30.13 | dondelelcaro | ravila: you know, the manpage is really useful. |
| 08:30.38 | ravila | howto:s are even more since there are examples of the parameters... |
| 08:30.56 | jim | have you read it then? |
| 08:31.15 | ravila | haven't found module-assistant howto yet... |
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| 08:31.28 | jim | have you read man module-assistant? |
| 08:31.35 | jim | or is it man m-a |
| 08:32.02 | ravila | m-a -l 2.6.25-rc4 |
| 08:32.03 | jim | if not, how would you be able to make that comparison? |
| 08:32.08 | ravila | did the correct symlink at least |
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| 08:34.07 | ravila | "Build of the package loop-aes-source failed! :( |
| 08:34.37 | jim | does debian package the alsa firmware things? |
| 08:35.07 | ravila | dont know I only need loop-aes |
| 08:35.24 | ravila | and the m-a gave the same error linux/config.h not found |
| 08:36.26 | tarzeau | is there a reason to use quota version 2 over 1? |
| 08:36.40 | tarzeau | i keep getting: quotaon: Quota format not supported in kernel. |
| 08:36.55 | jim | it's possible that one or more of the items being in /usr/src are confusing the build process... I saw an example of that the other day, we had to get his stuff out of that dir before things like m-a would work |
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| 08:39.15 | Tapout | so I setup my usb flash with my etch system, said i was missing a *.iso, so I grabbed mini .. ran downstairs, mount /dev/sdd /usb .. and then , cp /var/tmp/mini.iso /usb .. it wrote ok, go to install, and it says it still can't find a *.iso |
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| 08:39.19 | Tapout | anyone know what i'm doing wrong |
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| 08:40.24 | paul--- | im trying to add ip's to my server and want to be able to monitor the traffic per ip.. but the issue is i only have 1 eth0 interface, which means that snmp just looks at all the traffic.. i've tried setting up a tap device.. but it doesnt show any traffic going through it |
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| 08:41.03 | ravila | jim: didn't help that I moved everything from /usrc/src |
| 08:41.07 | paul--- | im really over this issue .. i want to do QoS/bandwidth monitoring /mrtg for each ip singularly |
| 08:41.10 | webPragmatist | ok on linux where is the proper place to put certificates for ssl for website? |
| 08:41.31 | webPragmatist | there's like 10 different ssl dirs (symbolically linked half of the time) |
| 08:41.35 | jim | depends which web server; check its docs |
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| 08:41.52 | flokuehn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.58 | webPragmatist | jim: it doesn't matter WHERE i put it i can tell the web server to get it wherever |
| 08:42.11 | Tapout | flokuehn, ya |
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| 08:42.20 | jim | so you just answered your own question? :) |
| 08:42.21 | paul--- | so why ask then webPragmatist ? |
| 08:42.22 | webPragmatist | I am just wondering typically (with Apache if that even helps) where should I put the ssl certs say from godaddy? |
| 08:42.23 | loma1 | xen is detecting the iso image but it is giving the error as follows " FATAL : could not read the boot disk " |
| 08:42.31 | webPragmatist | paul---: because I want to know the proper place to put it |
| 08:42.35 | flokuehn | Tapout: which howto do you use? |
| 08:42.46 | paul--- | you put it where the apache docs suggest |
| 08:42.59 | Tapout | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-add-iso |
| 08:43.12 | Tapout | flokuehn, i am just gonna grab the 180MB *.iso file, perhaps that will work |
| 08:43.22 | jim | or anywhere else you want and as you say reconfigure apache to look for them there |
| 08:43.25 | Tapout | err.. 145MB |
| 08:43.49 | webPragmatist | paul---: ok so /path/to/certs ... gotcha |
| 08:43.50 | flokuehn | Tapout: ok. i used the same howto and i had the same problem as you have |
| 08:44.03 | flokuehn | Tapout: you have to take the stable release |
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| 08:44.30 | jim | or /somepath/to/thesecerts and /anotherpath/to/thosecerts |
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| 08:44.47 | flokuehn | Tapout: i dont know why but this solved my problem. |
| 08:45.18 | Tapout | k |
| 08:45.19 | Tapout | thanks man |
| 08:46.02 | flokuehn | Tapout: hope it works for you. |
| 08:46.08 | Tapout | hope so as well |
| 08:46.18 | yang | To run a file called anonftpsync at 10 & 22 every day, I put in crontab line * 10,22 * * * /home/yang/anonftpsync is this correct ? |
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| 08:54.23 | mrak | hello |
| 08:54.43 | mrak | how can i enable backports for leeny |
| 08:54.59 | mrak | i look for at www.backports.org but it isnt there |
| 08:55.19 | Tapout | what do you guys think of XFS? vs EXT3.. I heard it's better with larger files |
| 08:55.26 | mrak | i need backports mysql-server-5.0 |
| 08:55.51 | yang | !tell mrak about sid backports |
| 08:56.03 | yang | !tell mrak about lenny backports |
| 08:56.06 | jim | xfs? run a ups if you're going to do xfs. |
| 08:56.15 | Tapout | ah really? ok |
| 08:56.17 | Tapout | ext3 it is |
| 08:56.25 | yang | !tell mrak about backports |
| 08:56.40 | mrak | yang: thx |
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| 08:56.46 | yang | !tell mrak about simple sid backports |
| 08:56.47 | yang | !tell mrak about simple sid backport |
| 08:56.49 | Tapout | i think my onboard ethernet isn't being detected during install.. eth0 came out as Marvell, won't DHCP ... and eth1 came up as Firewire Ethernet, won't dhcp.. weird :( |
| 08:56.52 | yang | whoa |
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| 08:57.34 | lunitik | !ssb |
| 08:57.34 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 08:57.39 | dokma | hey guys |
| 08:57.49 | dokma | I'm trying to use recordmydesktop |
| 08:58.09 | dokma | it complains about my sound device not being hw:0,0 |
| 08:58.12 | lunitik | dokma: Istanbul is easier... |
| 08:58.26 | dokma | lunitik: can it record audio aswell ? |
| 08:58.33 | dokma | I'd like to talk while I record stuff |
| 08:58.37 | lunitik | dokma: I'm fairly sure... yeah |
| 08:58.43 | dokma | cool |
| 08:58.46 | dokma | let me check it out |
| 08:59.04 | lunitik | dokma: Failing that, you can use something like Pitivi or Kino to splice audio and video... |
| 08:59.27 | mrak | !tell mrak about mysql-server-5.0 backport |
| 08:59.28 | dokma | splice? |
| 08:59.38 | dokma | is that mixing audio into a video ? |
| 08:59.53 | mrak | !tell mrak about backports mysql-server-5.0 |
| 09:00.09 | lunitik | dokma: join them together... yeah... you'd just have the audio and video start at the same time... |
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| 09:00.21 | dokma | cool |
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| 09:00.27 | dokma | that might actually work |
| 09:00.42 | dokma | I'd just setup a parallel recording of audio and I'd be set |
| 09:00.58 | lunitik | dokma: yup :) I think that's what most do anyways :) |
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| 09:02.53 | lunitik | mrak: /msg the bots |
| 09:03.16 | mrak | lunitik: yeap ... sorry |
| 09:04.00 | lunitik | mrak: you'd want 'info mysql-sever' though, and 'ssb' |
| 09:04.32 | mrak | i try it |
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| 09:14.25 | tengulre | how to config mouse? |
| 09:14.33 | tengulre | I can not found my mouse (PS/2) |
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| 09:17.41 | jaggz- | the keyboard layout selector's not showing the layout preview |
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| 09:21.21 | loma1 | how do i know whether my xen is running or not |
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| 09:22.42 | cekz | lorna the "ps" utility is quite a good tool to know all the things running on your station |
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| 09:23.07 | Ezep | Who is the password and user for mysql? |
| 09:23.11 | Ezep | Which* |
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| 09:23.30 | Ezep | I instaled mysql-commons, and it need an user and a pass :S |
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| 09:23.36 | ArtVandalae | I think it's "root" and empty. |
| 09:23.37 | sordith | Ezep: on a new debian install you have to set the mysql password for root |
| 09:23.50 | Ezep | sordith: and the user? root? |
| 09:23.55 | sordith | yes, root |
| 09:24.00 | Ezep | K, trying... |
| 09:24.07 | cekz | mysqladmin -p root is a common command for setting root password. |
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| 09:24.18 | streuner_ | What's the name of the package in KDE which is responsible for automount? |
| 09:24.48 | streuner_ | i.e., if you insert a DVD it asks you in KDE what to do |
| 09:25.01 | Ezep | No root, no password :S |
| 09:25.06 | sordith | streuner_: maybe kdebase-kio-plugins |
| 09:25.18 | Ezep | This error? Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 09:25.33 | sordith | Ezep: how did you install mysql? |
| 09:25.38 | Ezep | Yes |
| 09:25.46 | sordith | Ezep: how :-) |
| 09:25.46 | ArtVandalae | /etc/init.d/mysql start? |
| 09:26.01 | ravila | loop-aes-modules-2.6.25-rc4_3.1d-13etch2+custom.1.0_i386.deb |
| 09:26.05 | ravila | woh.. |
| 09:26.12 | sordith | Ezep: cause the package mysql-common is not enough. you also need to install mysql-server and mysql-client |
| 09:26.22 | ravila | the 3.1d sources doesn't compile on 2.6.24 and newer |
| 09:26.45 | ravila | so I replaced the aes sources and created config.h after that everything worked |
| 09:26.48 | Ezep | sordith: I installed wordpress, I think that it was "preconfigured" |
| 09:26.55 | Ezep | I think I need to touch more |
| 09:27.27 | g00se | Is it possible to 'fix' sudo to recognize aliases and shell functions? |
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| 09:27.42 | ArtVandalae | I think that's a bash thing |
| 09:27.50 | ArtVandalae | (shell thing) |
| 09:28.26 | nerdsquad3210 | making use of sudo making scripts is a must |
| 09:28.50 | ArtVandalae | what does that even mean? |
| 09:28.56 | sordith | Ezep: when you "apt-get install wordpress" it should install the required dependencies. or did you install wordpress another way? |
| 09:29.15 | Ezep | sordith: from debian repos |
| 09:29.47 | nerdsquad3210 | it means that if you use sudo you must use scripts to make it bearable |
| 09:29.49 | jelly-home | g00se: since nothing stops you from creating a script that will source relevant alias and function definitions, and do its work |
| 09:29.57 | sordith | Ezep: what packages do you see in the list when you do "dpkg -l | grep mysql"? |
| 09:29.57 | jelly-home | nerdsquad3210: I don't get it. |
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| 09:30.42 | smhar | greetings |
| 09:30.44 | nerdsquad3210 | because it sucks having to type sudo before every command line |
| 09:31.02 | jelly-home | nerdsquad3210: duh, su to root then. |
| 09:31.18 | smhar | how can I connect my mobile phone to my debian notebook using wifi? |
| 09:31.22 | ArtVandalae | + I think hiding sudo in your scripts is a maintenance nightmare :) |
| 09:31.25 | nerdsquad3210 | well isnt that going to defeat the porpuse of sudo ? |
| 09:31.26 | g00se | jelly-home: Yes, but what would be in that script? Let's say alias ll='ls -al' |
| 09:31.35 | Ezep | sordith: php5-mysql - mysql-common - mysql-client-5.0 - libmysqlclient15off - libdbd-mysql-perl |
| 09:31.54 | streuner_ | sordith: yep, but thats installed - it didnt ask what to do with a DVD or CD anymore |
| 09:32.00 | sordith | Ezep: aha! good. so you need to "apt-get install mysql-server-5.0" also |
| 09:32.10 | Ezep | Lets see :) |
| 09:32.13 | jelly-home | g00se: you'd put that alias definition either inside the script, or in a file with common helpers, and source that file. |
| 09:32.35 | Ezep | 88mb, wow |
| 09:32.54 | sordith | streuner_: not familiar with KDE related things, but maybe it received a config option at some point in time to stop auto mounting |
| 09:33.03 | nerdsquad3210 | do you run your ubuntu using the sudo / admin account ? |
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| 09:33.08 | jelly-home | g00se: read the bash manual about builtin command "source" |
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| 09:33.19 | nerdsquad3210 | do you run your ubuntu using the sudo / admin account ? :)))) |
| 09:33.22 | Ezep | nerdsquad3210: sorry, ubuntu? |
| 09:33.36 | jelly-home | nerdsquad3210: wrong channel |
| 09:33.39 | g00se | jelly-home: Ok. Thanks |
| 09:33.43 | streuner_ | sordith: good call, but device is mountable any time |
| 09:33.44 | nerdsquad3210 | do you run your debian using the sudo / admin account ? :)))) |
| 09:33.46 | Ezep | shit happens :) |
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| 09:34.08 | jelly-home | nerdsquad3210: there is no "admin" account, or group, in debian by default |
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| 09:34.19 | nerdsquad3210 | if this is debian why are you discussing sudo ? |
| 09:34.24 | Ezep | nerdsquad3210: try on #ubuntu, here is for debian distribution |
| 09:34.35 | sordith | nothing wrong with discussing sudo :-) |
| 09:34.42 | jelly-home | indeed |
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| 09:34.44 | Ezep | nerdsquad3210: install debian and sudo, then discussing |
| 09:34.53 | sordith | haha |
| 09:34.53 | streuner_ | sordith: no, but Debian doesnt have usually problems with sudo... |
| 09:35.04 | streuner_ | Ezep: haha |
| 09:35.14 | Ezep | ;) |
| 09:35.34 | jelly-home | I was just interested in what "<nerdsquad3210> it means that if you use sudo you must use scripts to make it bearable" meant |
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| 09:35.52 | nerdsquad3210 | because it sucks having to type sudo before every command line |
| 09:36.18 | Ezep | sudo = su -c "command" (with some problems) |
| 09:36.20 | nerdsquad3210 | thats what i meant |
| 09:36.27 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: sudo -i ? |
| 09:36.30 | jelly-home | for me, it reminds me that I'm running something unusual |
| 09:36.42 | nerdsquad3210 | well isnt that going to defeat the porpuse of sudo ? |
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| 09:36.57 | sordith | can be an extra security layer, but can also lead to more complex tasks |
| 09:37.14 | jelly-home | sudo is more useful than just a wrapper for root |
| 09:37.24 | nerdsquad3210 | you could say using scripts could defeat sudo porpuse too ... |
| 09:37.27 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: Depends what you believe the purpose is... for me, the purpose is similar to PolicyKit in that it allows me to hand out certain rights to users without giving them the root account password. |
| 09:37.51 | jelly-home | I give limited access to certain users for them to handle selected subsystems on machines |
| 09:38.12 | Ezep | alias sudo="su -c "$1"" (it's bad?) |
| 09:38.14 | nerdsquad3210 | i dont know how to do that |
| 09:38.26 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: Read the man page? |
| 09:39.07 | nerdsquad3210 | i thought sudo was used to prenvent noob users from wrecking havock using root shel |
| 09:39.15 | jelly-home | nope |
| 09:39.15 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: no |
| 09:39.25 | Ezep | Well configured, no |
| 09:39.56 | tarzeau | does someone have the possibility to transfer gif files onto their mobile phone and send those by mms? |
| 09:40.02 | jelly-home | noob users wouldn't (shouldn't?) even have permissions to run sudo, just the admin would |
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| 09:40.16 | Ezep | Don't need to do apt-get install sudo && sed -e s/root/$USER/g, come on.. |
| 09:40.51 | jelly-home | Ezep: nah, it's more like jelly ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL :-) |
| 09:41.04 | nerdsquad3210 | jelly-home: if you are a noob admin |
| 09:41.14 | Ezep | Yeah, well configured, it's usefull jelly-home :) |
| 09:41.20 | nerdsquad3210 | noob admins should run windows then ? |
| 09:41.23 | jelly-home | nerdsquad3210: then educate yourself |
| 09:41.38 | nerdsquad3210 | educate ?! |
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| 09:41.58 | jelly-home | !grounding |
| 09:41.59 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 09:42.05 | Ezep | jelly-home: "ALL=NOPAASSWD: ALL" would be TOO dangerous :P |
| 09:42.12 | Tapout | have you guys ever had a debian install hang? "Retrieving File 2 of 2" .. stuck at 5% .. been that way for 1/2 hour.. I tried ^c, esc, anyone know what I should do? |
| 09:42.24 | lunitik | Ezep: How so? He'd still have to be logged in... |
| 09:42.35 | jelly-home | Ezep: well, there's a username before that |
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| 09:42.43 | ArtVandalae | Tapout, I'm asking the exact same question in #debian-devel -- did you just grab a fresh copy of the debian installer? |
| 09:42.56 | nerdsquad3210 | i recon linux PCs should be delivered with a 5 year course just to make sure users could safelly run it :)))) |
| 09:43.12 | Ezep | lunitik: yes, but... u are right |
| 09:43.15 | jelly-home | nerdsquad3210: yes, that's the current state of linux. |
| 09:43.16 | Tapout | ArtVandalae, yeah |
| 09:43.23 | Tapout | just like 1 hour ago |
| 09:43.26 | ArtVandalae | Tapout, yep, same problem for me, but later in the installation |
| 09:43.34 | jelly-home | nerdsquad3210: you want a friendly unix based OS, buy a Mac |
| 09:43.40 | ArtVandalae | Yeah I downloaded mine at about the same time |
| 09:43.50 | Tapout | ArtVandalae, did they mention any fix? |
| 09:43.51 | nerdsquad3210 | no i want a free OS |
| 09:44.05 | ArtVandalae | Tapout, no, no reply yet |
| 09:44.09 | jelly-home | I want a pony. |
| 09:44.15 | ArtVandalae | Tapout, are you installing it in a VM? |
| 09:44.33 | Tapout | no |
| 09:44.35 | nerdsquad3210 | jelly-home: like wats the suposed to mean ? |
| 09:44.49 | Tapout | just installing it regularily, 'standard' package, frozen tho |
| 09:44.52 | Tapout | gonna retry |
| 09:44.53 | Ezep | sordith: cool, thx a lot :-) |
| 09:45.04 | sordith | Ezep: welcome :-) |
| 09:46.30 | jelly-home | nerdsquad3210: It means you won't get a free (gratis?) OS that's usable by normal people, because it takes a LOT of resources to get an OS to that point. Ubuntu is an example that tries to do that, but still fails |
| 09:46.57 | nerdsquad3210 | i dont belive that crap |
| 09:47.34 | nerdsquad3210 | My bet is the devs make it so just to make sure people buy their OSs |
| 09:47.37 | sordith | well, the main problem is that classic usability has the drawback of less expert choices |
| 09:47.41 | solar_sea | is there anything specific to be done in order to enable MPPE use with pptp-client on debian lenny ? |
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| 09:47.51 | jelly-home | nerdsquad3210: yeah. I'm actually working for Apple. |
| 09:48.13 | mike1o | it often is easier to use than other OS's |
| 09:48.17 | nerdsquad3210 | so what are you doing here ripping off the comunity concepts ? |
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| 09:48.29 | solar_sea | i have the require-mppe-128 option in the tunnel, i connect to another debian [etch] and it disconnects me, server log says 'MPPE disabled' |
| 09:48.30 | sordith | and the other way around - with the desire to have more flexibility, you get more expert choices, which makes it harder for newbies to get things done |
| 09:48.37 | jelly-home | nerdsquad3210: please adjust your sarcasm detector. |
| 09:48.40 | ArtVandalae | ./kick/ban nerdsquad3210 |
| 09:49.03 | Fri13 | jelly-home: Ubuntu is more than just a OS. No one does anything with just OS. They need applications what to use. Users dont use OS, they use Applications what run TOP of OS. There is big difference. |
| 09:49.06 | sordith | no ripping, the whole point of free software is the ability to share concepts |
| 09:49.21 | nerdsquad3210 | sare with like minded people |
| 09:49.22 | sordith | thats why you have to see Debian and Ubuntu as brother and sister, not as enemy |
| 09:49.23 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: The devs are certainly working exactly against what you just stated... it's just, you have developers creating an OS for developers, and trying to guess too much of what users want - from a developer point of view... |
| 09:49.26 | nerdsquad3210 | share* |
| 09:49.38 | Fri13 | And ubuntu is good distribution to try a give Linux OS to normal users by giving them good applications by default. |
| 09:49.47 | jelly-home | Fri13: nah, a distro definitely fits the definition of an OS |
| 09:49.58 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's really a superset of an OS |
| 09:50.05 | sordith | different distributions is a matter of purpose, desire and choice. its not about right and wrong |
| 09:50.06 | Fri13 | jelly-home: No, Distribution != Operating System. |
| 09:50.21 | Fri13 | Distribution = OS + Software + support + etc |
| 09:50.39 | sordith | Fri13: not precisely :-) |
| 09:50.44 | Fri13 | Software in this case like OpenOffice.org and all other things. |
| 09:50.52 | sordith | support is an added bonus |
| 09:50.58 | jelly-home | Fri13: however, there is no "Linux OS" in that sense, then. Unless you redefine the OS as, say, the base installation. |
| 09:51.08 | dondelelcaro | but it's not like what an OS is is particularly well defined |
| 09:51.16 | nerdsquad3210 | distributions = GNU/Linux |
| 09:51.31 | Fri13 | jelly-home: What is OS? It's very small part of whole software. It's base software what is needed to get applications to run. |
| 09:51.32 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: most people consider the linux os to be some combination of GNU libraries, some userland, and linux, but yeah... |
| 09:51.37 | mike1o | linux share market is constantly going up |
| 09:51.47 | Fri13 | Users never use OS by directly, they use it by trought other applications. |
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| 09:51.49 | mike1o | *market share |
| 09:51.55 | jelly-home | Fri13: so what's an OS to run KDE on? :-) |
| 09:51.58 | dondelelcaro | Fri13: lots of users use the OS directly |
| 09:52.01 | Fri13 | In Ubuntu users, they actually use Gnom. |
| 09:52.05 | nerdsquad3210 | can i buy linux stocks ? |
| 09:52.14 | dondelelcaro | nerdsquad3210: it's not a company, so no. |
| 09:52.15 | sordith | some people say an Operating System is only the core kernel, some people say its also the userspace tools to make it usable |
| 09:52.22 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: GNU and Linux combine for still only about half of a modern distro... |
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| 09:52.23 | mike1o | nope |
| 09:52.37 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: probaly even smaller, actually. |
| 09:52.41 | dondelelcaro | (though they are important parts) |
| 09:52.51 | Fri13 | dondelelcaro: Yah, but not normal users. Normal users dont use command line or any other fancy things, they use OpenOffice.org, Gimp, Pidgin and Firefox |
| 09:52.54 | streuner_ | !start a distro war |
| 09:52.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 09:52.57 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: Well, depends, because things like GIMP and Gnome are part of GNU... |
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| 09:53.04 | jelly-home | Fri13: I mean, the infrastructure half of a DE is a part of the OS, then. Things like Gnome or KDE vfs/kio handlers. |
| 09:53.10 | Fri13 | When they copy files, they dont use cp, mv and all other commands, they use nautilus |
| 09:53.28 | sordith | Fri13: meaning normal users as in "non tech savy people"? :-) |
| 09:53.30 | Fri13 | jelly-home: Even if you add something top of OS, it's not part of OS. |
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| 09:53.47 | solar_sea | how do I enable mppe in debian's pppd ? [i'm getting MPPE disabled in syslog] |
| 09:53.48 | lunitik | jelly-home: vfs/io ... kio is a kde specific thing ;) |
| 09:53.55 | nerdsquad3210 | normal users meaning about 99 per cent of computers users |
| 09:53.57 | streuner_ | hm, that factoid doesnt fit what we needed... |
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| 09:54.13 | beardy | All of them should not be able to come here. |
| 09:54.13 | jelly-home | Fri13: just saying we'd first need to agree on which bits are part of "OS" subset of a distro |
| 09:54.22 | Fri13 | sordith: normal user dont like to use computer, they dont like to think what they need to use to get things done, they just want to get things done. Thats why MacOSX is so great, users dont need to think computer at all. |
| 09:54.42 | bthomas | hi, i just switche /etc/network/interfaces from dhcp to static configuration (as my sysadmin changed things in our network) . Internet connectivity is fine but gnome (NetworkManagerApplet) does not detect the working eth0 network interface. As a result Evolution does not send mail. |
| 09:54.45 | jelly-home | lunitik: I meant Gnome's vfs, or KDE's kio stuff which are comparable |
| 09:54.47 | bthomas | i am using debian/etch |
| 09:54.51 | Fri13 | jelly-home: Just ripp off everything what you dont need to get applications installed. |
| 09:54.57 | streuner_ | Fri13: if you use Debian you should be able to read and have a brain |
| 09:55.01 | sordith | Fri13: there is a difference between people who see a computer as a tool to do work and people who see a computer as a hobby, a fascination |
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| 09:55.32 | Fri13 | sordith: Yes, and then there are those who developes software ;-) |
| 09:55.34 | sordith | Fri13: the more fascination you have for something, the more you want to explore, modify and try |
| 09:55.43 | streuner_ | Fri13: and trust me, you always need to learn in *ANY* OS |
| 09:55.55 | jelly-home | Fri13: well, is libgnomeui32 OS? It sure isn't an app. :-) |
| 09:56.09 | Fri13 | jelly-home: Is Java a OS? |
| 09:56.12 | dondelelcaro | horray for problems of demarcation |
| 09:56.16 | Ezep | sordith: sorry for disturbing you, but now, when I try to open a php file located in my system, it say to download it, I installed php5 yet |
| 09:56.24 | Fri13 | Gnome is different layer top of Linux OS. |
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| 09:56.43 | Fri13 | GNU/Linux is called as Linux so dont just think Linux is just a kernel. |
| 09:56.50 | lunitik | Fri13: I didn't say it wasn't... I simply said it's part of the GNU project. |
| 09:56.55 | nerdsquad3210 | linux has a way of making that "fascination" die prety fast if you dont know how the system works! |
| 09:57.00 | jelly-home | Fri13: I think libgnomeui32 is a basic part of an Ubuntu OS. |
| 09:57.03 | smhar | how can I connect my mobile phone to my debian notebook using wifi? |
| 09:57.03 | sordith | Ezep: maybe you need to modify your apache config zu associate *.php files with the right application type |
| 09:57.04 | Fri13 | Even that linux as kernel inludes most things what OS defination has. |
| 09:57.07 | lunitik | Fri13: Linux IS just a kernel. |
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| 09:57.23 | Ezep | sordith: ok, configuring it... |
| 09:57.39 | Fri13 | lunitik: Yah, it is just a kernel but whole OS is called as Linux too, not as GNU/Linux as some users like to preferr. I like GNU/Linux |
| 09:57.39 | lunitik | Fri13: Just because people accept the marketing bs that RedHat/Novell do, DOES NOT mean it's not just a kernel. |
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| 09:57.42 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why Debian also distributes Debian GNU/kFreeBSD et al. |
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| 09:58.05 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: "it can" ? |
| 09:58.15 | Fri13 | But distribution != Operating System. |
| 09:58.18 | beardy | What was the question? Or is someone just not getting it? |
| 09:58.21 | Fri13 | Those ain't same thing. |
| 09:58.24 | nerdsquad3210 | Fri13ypu are running a distro with out GNU ? |
| 09:58.29 | Roobarb | "Linux" is the kernel. "linux" is an umbrella term for Operating System Distributions based on the kernel |
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| 09:58.36 | jelly-home | Fri13: says you! I say otherwise. |
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| 09:58.48 | beardy | and GNU/Linux is the correct term. |
| 09:58.51 | Fri13 | Like Kubuntu and Xubuntu are different Distirbutions but still, same Operating System. Just like OpenSUSE and Mandriva are same OS but difrerent distributions. |
| 09:58.54 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: sorry, can what? |
| 09:59.09 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: See your statement about kFreeBSD ;) |
| 09:59.13 | beardy | Operating System is very very fuzzy. |
| 09:59.35 | Fri13 | beardy: Operating System is really simple definition but it makes it hard to tell what it really is. |
| 09:59.40 | jelly-home | Fri13: Dunno, I can't install an ubuntu app on top of my rhel5. They're not the same OS to me. |
| 09:59.42 | Fri13 | Because it's like little gray area. |
| 09:59.43 | lunitik | Fri13: All 4 of those are the same operating system... |
| 09:59.55 | dondelelcaro | Fri13: good luck defining it; I've never heard a reasonable definition of OS |
| 10:00.00 | Fri13 | jelly-home: I can, i just dont try installing from compiled binary format. |
| 10:00.12 | Fri13 | But i can install every application from ubuntu to RHL5 |
| 10:00.23 | nerdsquad3210 | An operating system is a human usable from to interact with the hardware |
| 10:00.25 | jelly-home | Fri13: yeah, you port it to rhel5 from the sources. |
| 10:00.34 | lunitik | Fri13: Sure you can, if you recompile them. |
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| 10:00.49 | Fri13 | dondelelcaro: Wikipedia has very good definition, you should try to read it ;-) |
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| 10:00.57 | beardy | Humans are not needed for something to be an operating syste,. |
| 10:01.04 | Fri13 | jelly-home: I dont need to touch the code to get it ported. |
| 10:01.18 | Fri13 | It's not like portint KDE from Linux to WIndows |
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| 10:01.24 | Fri13 | I dont need touch code at all... |
| 10:01.31 | nerdsquad3210 | humans biold operating systems |
| 10:01.34 | nerdsquad3210 | build |
| 10:01.35 | lunitik | Fri13: Wikipedia is edited by anyone... if I changed it right now to read "An Operating System is a kind of monkey" would you take that as fact too? |
| 10:01.36 | Fri13 | Porting is that you tweak your code to get it compile on other OS. |
| 10:01.46 | nerdsquad3210 | so they sure are needed |
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| 10:01.53 | dondelelcaro | Fri13: it's still not a particularly good definition, because it doesn't demarcate completely. |
| 10:02.01 | Fri13 | lunitik: So what ever you or i say here is nothing... i see... |
| 10:02.33 | lunitik | Fri13: Pretty much, on this subject... because there are so many excepted definitions of what an OS is. |
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| 10:02.47 | jelly-home | Fri13: you have a point. I'll see you when I think of something else. :-) |
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| 10:02.50 | beardy | nerdsquad3210: Not if you build an operating system that runs a program building operating system building operating systems. (undefined ones). |
| 10:02.50 | Fri13 | dondelelcaro: If car definition is that "4 wheels, windshield, a motor and bench for driver" You can make anything as car if you just has those parts. |
| 10:03.11 | nerdsquad3210 | Operating system is a system you can operate |
| 10:03.14 | beardy | !car analogy |
| 10:03.17 | Fri13 | Even that it would have different bench it still would be a car. |
| 10:03.17 | nerdsquad3210 | roflol |
| 10:03.23 | beardy | Hmm, name the factoid? |
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| 10:03.40 | Fri13 | nerdsquad3210: No, operating system is between HW and applications. |
| 10:03.48 | mike1o | the OS is the driver not the car |
| 10:04.00 | Fri13 | Users dont operate OS, they operate Applications what are running top of OS. |
| 10:04.12 | beardy | Not if it's a crappy operating system meant not to be operated, but upgraded to waste more hardware every now and then. |
| 10:04.22 | streuner_ | Fri13: what OS are you actually using? |
| 10:04.23 | nerdsquad3210 | fri13 so a san email aplication isnt a part of the OS ? |
| 10:04.31 | Fri13 | streuner_: Linux |
| 10:04.32 | dondelelcaro | in any event, what an operationg system is or isn't isn't partiuclarly on topic here. |
| 10:04.36 | mike1o | ok then the OS is the steering wheel |
| 10:04.46 | beardy | Linux is only the kernel. |
| 10:04.51 | dondelelcaro | if you still want to debate what an OS is and isn't, please use ##linux or #debian-offtopic or similar. |
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| 10:04.57 | beardy | It sure is. Enjoy it while it lasts. |
| 10:05.05 | Fri13 | nerdsquad3210: No, email application isn't part of OS, but all OS's (windows, Linux and MacOSX) comes with email application installed. |
| 10:05.08 | Ezep | sordith: Which command must I "link" to .php files? :s |
| 10:05.17 | Ezep | Sorry for disturbing sordith |
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| 10:05.46 | nerdsquad3210 | fril13 your logic dosent cesse to amaze me |
| 10:05.52 | streuner_ | Fri13: you discussion is fine, but we want help other people here about problems - just take the advice of dondelelcaro |
| 10:05.59 | Fri13 | dondelelcaro: Thats why Ubuntu sucks because some n00bs starts defining things as they see, even they dont know what things really are. |
| 10:06.08 | kuvkir | Hi! I got a problem w/ the vmlinuz image on debian. Apparently it's not what it's supposed to be - a gzipped kernel image. |
| 10:06.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell Ezep -about php wants me to download still |
| 10:06.20 | dondelelcaro | kuvkir: it's bzipped, actually... but what's the problem? |
| 10:06.26 | beardy | kuvkir: It's not meant to be that. |
| 10:06.28 | Fri13 | streuner_: Yah, and i'm advising new users that Ubuntu isn't any different OS than all other distributions, it's same OS but different Distirbution. |
| 10:06.39 | Ezep | dondelelcaro: thx a lot |
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| 10:06.42 | Fri13 | I can even make new distribution, by using same parts as Ubuntu offers... |
| 10:06.59 | Fri13 | And it wouldn't be different OS as Ubuntu users definition would go. |
| 10:07.01 | kuvkir | beardy: file says it's a "Linux kernel x86 boot executable RO-rootFS" |
| 10:07.10 | lunitik | Fri13: Please end that discussion. |
| 10:07.28 | ravila | hmm.. |
| 10:07.29 | fx|RabBi2 | hi all! i am trying to connect to a wifi accesspoint but i keep getting no ip adress. the accesspoint works just fine for other computer any ideas pls? |
| 10:07.37 | kuvkir | dondelelcaro: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-686 is not a bzip2 file |
| 10:07.53 | kuvkir | dondelelcaro: according to bzcat output |
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| 10:08.01 | Fri13 | lunitik: I just ended, but Ubuntu users should learn facts what is OS and what is Distiribution. And that they dont have any special kind OS what example Mandriva users have. |
| 10:08.02 | ravila | new alsa fails to compile.. :( |
| 10:08.06 | ravila | 1.0.16-1 |
| 10:08.08 | nerdsquad3210 | if you change the ubuntu default screen picture your using a difrent distribuiton based on ubuntu |
| 10:08.13 | ravila | alsa-source |
| 10:08.14 | nerdsquad3210 | :))) |
| 10:08.23 | lunitik | Fri13: I don't think Ubuntu users care, and #debian certainly don't. |
| 10:08.55 | beardy | kuvkir: That is what it should be. |
| 10:09.23 | Fri13 | lunitik: Yah, Ubuntu users dont care, Debian already has done that and they understand (you can go ask them) but because Ubuntu, Whole Linux community goes to hell, and gives bigger weapons to MS and Apple. |
| 10:09.34 | azeem | lunitik: please drop it |
| 10:09.52 | kuvkir | beardy: ok. how do I get it unarchived ? |
| 10:09.54 | streuner_ | azeem: scroll up, its Fri13... |
| 10:10.02 | beardy | kuvkir: No, it isn't really compressed like a "normal" file IIRC. Somewhere under /linuxsrc/Documentation, I think I've read about that.. |
| 10:10.09 | azeem | I understand |
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| 10:10.17 | Fri13 | streuner_: scroll up and you see it's Ubuntu what is making all problems |
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| 10:10.29 | beardy | kuvkir: Why do you want to? What are you trying to do? |
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| 10:10.38 | dondelelcaro | kuvkir: because it's got a header first on it that gets executed. |
| 10:10.39 | azeem | streuner_: it's difficult to time out people if regulars keep talking to them, though |
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| 10:10.53 | azeem | Fri13: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 10:11.03 | azeem | Fri13: please be more signal and less noise in the future, thanks |
| 10:11.26 | kuvkir | beardy: i'm trying to use it w/ oprofile that needs an uncompressed kernel image |
| 10:11.35 | danander | i want to ask why debian ? |
| 10:11.43 | azeem | !why debian |
| 10:11.43 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 10:11.54 | beardy | kuvkir: w/ oprofile? |
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| 10:12.05 | coz_ | @seen shame |
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| 10:12.09 | ravenbird | i haven't seen 'shame', coz_ |
| 10:12.10 | coz_ | oops |
| 10:12.50 | Ezep | Which must be the "x-httpd-php" command? |
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| 10:13.15 | kuvkir | beardy: yep. oprofile wants an uncompressed kernel for profiling purposes. |
| 10:13.42 | angerman | is there an rc tool to easy add or remove scripts from /etc/rc.... ? |
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| 10:13.58 | streuner_ | angerman: update-rc.d ? |
| 10:14.25 | beardy | kuvkir: Easiest might be compiling one then. Harder might be to find out how long the header is, remove and save it, uncompress, and then put it back, hoping that will work. |
| 10:14.35 | angerman | ahh :) streuner_ :) |
| 10:15.41 | kuvkir | beardy: ok. thanks, I got you, debian seems to use another kernel image format than centos does, so that's what my problem is about... |
| 10:15.49 | Tapout | hey guys, is there an easier way to change mirrors for aptitude/apt-get than to edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? there should be something like... dpkg newmirror http://www.blah.com |
| 10:16.02 | beardy | kuvkir: Ah, ok. |
| 10:16.36 | lunitik | Tapout: apt-spy or similar? |
| 10:16.36 | streuner_ | Tapout: nope |
| 10:16.38 | Tapout | angerman, aptitude install rcconf ; rcconf <-- easiest :) |
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| 10:17.13 | streuner_ | Tapout: whats *hard* to just edit a simple text-file? |
| 10:17.15 | Tapout | i used ucalgary's mirror during install, and now ; aptitude update takes forever to finish, either mirror is busy or just doesn't like new connections |
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| 10:17.29 | Tapout | streuner_, nothing is 'hard', but you gotta assume at somepoint people are gonna swap mirrors |
| 10:17.46 | Tapout | easy things can get easier, can they not? :) |
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| 10:18.02 | streuner_ | hm, just change TLD in ftp.<TLD>.debian.org? |
| 10:18.03 | lunitik | Tapout: apt-spy |
| 10:18.13 | Tapout | lunitik, thanks checking |
| 10:18.20 | streuner_ | Tapout: isnt that .ca mirror? |
| 10:18.57 | streuner_ | 64 bytes from ftp3.nrc.ca (132.246.2.23 |
| 10:19.10 | streuner_ | apis:/home# ping -c1 ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 10:19.37 | streuner_ | so just use the official mirror |
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| 10:21.02 | Tapout | thanks for the apt-spy, running ;) |
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| 10:21.38 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 10:21.47 | Tapout | streuner_, ya it's like 5km's from my house but slower than my last mirror (i forget which one i had ).. i think purdue |
| 10:22.00 | Tapout | apt-spy is running so it's gonna find it for me |
| 10:22.01 | Ace2016 | with laptops is it possible to use a higher resolution for the display than it was designed for say 1920x200 on a 1440x900? |
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| 10:22.13 | Ace2016 | 1920x1200 |
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| 10:22.17 | hoover | hi folks |
| 10:22.30 | hoover | can somebody tell me where I can find a debian 3.1 testing netinstaller cd image? |
| 10:22.44 | hoover | all the mirrors seem to have 4.0x only |
| 10:22.46 | streuner_ | hoover: why do you want a sarge installer? |
| 10:22.50 | fengor | !d-i |
| 10:22.51 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 10:23.00 | hoover | thanks fengor |
| 10:23.08 | hoover | streuner_: to test and update within vmware |
| 10:24.33 | lunitik | hoover: You want a 3.1 testing netinst? |
| 10:24.40 | hoover | yep |
| 10:24.49 | hoover | one of our old production servers runs this release |
| 10:24.51 | streuner_ | 3.1 isnt testing |
| 10:24.53 | hoover | (wasn't me ;-) |
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| 10:25.09 | hoover | in that case, a 3.0x testing release will be fine. |
| 10:25.10 | lunitik | hoover: testing installers are http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 10:25.20 | lunitik | hoover: 3.1 is OLD... |
| 10:25.36 | streuner_ | !sarge |
| 10:25.36 | dpkg | hmm... sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/i386/iso-cd/ Security support for Sarge finishes on March 31 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). Ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 10:25.39 | hoover | that's why I want to upgrade to 4.x, but noth without testing the upgrade first |
| 10:26.01 | streuner_ | DOH |
| 10:26.02 | lunitik | hoover: 4.0 is released... next will be 5.0... what I linked to will auto-install lenny (the current testing dist) |
| 10:26.16 | hoover | I guess an update from stable would simulate things well enough |
| 10:26.16 | pgpkeys | going from a major release to a higher major release is going to take some major testing. |
| 10:26.29 | lunitik | hoover: Then you want to install Etch, not Sarge |
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| 10:26.44 | hoover | hm, ok lunitik thanks for the info |
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| 10:27.15 | gan | hi to all i am not able to install windows as a guest OS in my debian system...getting error as FATAL:could not read boot disk |
| 10:27.39 | nerdsquad3210 | what is gnome VFS and why should i care ? |
| 10:27.54 | lunitik | gan: Umm, there are like 5 vitualization tools in Debian at least... |
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| 10:28.11 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: it's a abstraction layer over the file system, and you shouldn't. |
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| 10:28.16 | gan | lunitik:i am using xen tool |
| 10:28.36 | nerdsquad3210 | i shouldnt waht ? |
| 10:28.50 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: read your question again. |
| 10:28.57 | pgpkeys | VFS is Virtual File System. it abstracts the file system layer away from you. you don't need to worry about it unless it's making some sort of stupid call that the abstraction layer doesn't handle |
| 10:29.26 | hoover | ok, downloading the 3.1r0 image now... thanks again for your help. |
| 10:29.34 | lunitik | hoover: Why? |
| 10:29.39 | nerdsquad3210 | whats the use of that ? |
| 10:29.48 | pgpkeys | in this case it looks like the VFS is having issues deciding what the device is for the boot disk image and can't load it so dies with a FATAL call |
| 10:29.54 | nerdsquad3210 | does kde have one ? |
| 10:29.54 | lunitik | hoover: That is oldstable ... you're wanting to test oldstable > stable > testing? |
| 10:30.02 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: yes... kio |
| 10:30.05 | pgpkeys | nerdsquad3210: google for GNOME VFS DOCUMENTATION or SPECS |
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| 10:30.32 | hoover | lunitik: actually I want to test going from 3.0 testing to 4.0r3 or whatever the current release is |
| 10:31.00 | lunitik | hoover: I don't get the point, but have fun I guess :/ |
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| 10:31.07 | nerdsquad3210 | so if you are using a commnad line app its not using the VFS ? |
| 10:31.07 | hoover | but I guess 3.x stable should simulate things well enough, no? Sorry, I'm a bit confused about the naming schemes here |
| 10:31.16 | hoover | hehe thanks lunitik |
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| 10:31.59 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: depends... someone like zenity could well use the vfs |
| 10:32.11 | lunitik | something* |
| 10:32.17 | kuvkir | is there a tool to cut off the given number of bytes from the beginning of the file ? |
| 10:32.25 | nerdsquad3210 | zenity? |
| 10:32.35 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: apt-cache show zenity |
| 10:32.54 | nerdsquad3210 | you said someone |
| 10:33.12 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: yes, I then corrected myself |
| 10:33.12 | nerdsquad3210 | ´not something |
| 10:33.16 | nerdsquad3210 | ok |
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| 10:33.23 | pgpkeys | dude, just do the google and the apt-cache show |
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| 10:33.32 | pgpkeys | your answers are there. truly |
| 10:33.55 | lunitik | pgpkeys: Funny thing is, he's not even using Debian |
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| 10:34.34 | nerdsquad3210 | Zenity is a tool that allows you to display Gtk+ dialog boxes from the command line and through shell scripts. It is similar to gdialog, but is intended to be saner. It comes from the same family as dialog, Xdialog, and cdialog, but it surpasses those projects by having a cooler name. |
| 10:34.45 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: Why are you copy and pasting that? |
| 10:34.46 | pgpkeys | well, *most* questions will be distrib agnostic. it's usually the packages themselves (deps ect ect) or the glibc version that screws everything up |
| 10:34.59 | nerdsquad3210 | for informational resons |
| 10:35.04 | pgpkeys | because i think HE should be using your nick ;) |
| 10:35.08 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: We all know what zenity is. |
| 10:35.22 | pgpkeys | nerdsquad3210: WE don't need it. WE can google or apt-cache show |
| 10:35.28 | lunitik | pgpkeys: psht! My nick refers to a CD title, nothing more :D |
| 10:35.36 | pgpkeys | lunitik: hehe :) |
| 10:35.37 | nerdsquad3210 | lunitik: can you speak for all the folks in here ?! |
| 10:35.58 | lunitik | nerdsquad3210: Yes, because folks in #debian have intelligence generally. |
| 10:36.09 | pgpkeys | mine to an encryption program. nothing more. my brains scrambled with Diffie Helmon :) |
| 10:36.23 | pgpkeys | nerdsquad3210: oh quit being a dweeb. |
| 10:36.31 | nerdsquad3210 | what they have is a complet abstration layer from reallity |
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| 10:36.58 | lunitik | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.33 | pgpkeys | I prefer /ignore *!*@a213-22-4-45.cpe.netcabo.pt ALL |
| 10:37.39 | hoover | cheers all, thanks again for the help. |
| 10:37.56 | nerdsquad3210 | Zenity is very coool |
| 10:38.31 | nerdsquad3210 | must be the one linux app you cant live with out |
| 10:38.53 | lunitik | pgpkeys: heh, that's what I did, but I use that to tell people I'm ignoring them... I suppose I really shouldn't, it's just noise, but alas |
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| 10:39.31 | bluecake | how to display file.java as text on apache. firefox asks me to save the file, instead of displaying it |
| 10:39.32 | pgpkeys | ehh life is full of noise. you just have to learn selective hearing or seeing in this case ') |
| 10:40.07 | lunitik | bluecake: shouldn't that be .jar ? |
| 10:40.14 | pgpkeys | anyways, night gentlemen |
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| 10:41.15 | bluecake | lunaphyte, no |
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| 10:41.23 | lunitik | poor lunaphyte |
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| 10:42.41 | lunitik | bluecake: Using XChat? Set it to auto-complete by last spoken... |
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| 10:47.45 | alex12 | hmm, networking question, is there anyway i can tell on my eth0 connection where the data is coming from, and going too (application), and throughoutput ? |
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| 10:49.44 | ArtVandalae | alex12, that doesn't make much sense. Can you provide more information. |
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| 10:50.26 | TuxCrafter | hi guys |
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| 10:50.32 | TuxCrafter | the debian website is driving me nuts |
| 10:50.45 | TuxCrafter | where can i find a cd that installs debian sid |
| 10:50.50 | TuxCrafter | http://www.nl.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
| 10:50.58 | TuxCrafter | it is such a mess ther |
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| 10:51.26 | alex12 | ArtVandalae, for exmaple i know via a package called bwm , im recieving around 120k bytes of data per second, i would like to know which apllication is recieving this |
| 10:51.55 | ArtVandalae | Oh. |
| 10:52.00 | ArtVandalae | Does ntop provide any information like that? |
| 10:52.09 | jelly | TuxCrafter: there is no cd that installs unstable. |
| 10:52.59 | ArtVandalae | alex12, try ntop |
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| 10:53.58 | jelly | TuxCrafter: install from a stable image, or use a weekly testing installer image, and dist-upgrade. |
| 10:54.02 | TuxCrafter | jelly: personaly i always do debootstrap to install debian but i cant give that to a novice user |
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| 10:54.25 | jelly | TuxCrafter: a novice user shouldn't run unstable anyway :-| |
| 10:54.36 | alex12 | ArtVandalae, okay thanks i remember ntop now |
| 10:54.50 | TuxCrafter | jelly: he is going to do some development |
| 10:54.53 | TuxCrafter | but is new to linux |
| 10:55.02 | pgpkeys | perfect reason to run stable |
| 10:55.16 | pgpkeys | he doesn't need unstable to do "some development" |
| 10:56.36 | jelly | TuxCrafter: I'd suggest him to user stable + selected backports from backports.org for those few packages that need to be newer versions |
| 10:57.15 | TuxCrafter | jelly: ok that will work but where to find one install cd/dvd |
| 10:57.20 | TuxCrafter | i can only find hole sets |
| 10:57.28 | pgpkeys | wow definitely time for coffee |
| 10:57.44 | jelly | TuxCrafter: use the netinst image, or the first cd/dvd image |
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| 10:58.40 | TuxCrafter | will the first install cd be able to install and boot up the system without any network connection? |
| 10:59.22 | pgpkeys | yeah it installs base, then gets additional packages |
| 10:59.33 | pgpkeys | *very* bare base system mind you |
| 10:59.55 | Tapout | haha, etch install, 64bit .. apt-spy .. GPF's after running for about 10 minutes with : apt-spy -d stable -l North-America .. or whatever the flag is for location |
| 11:00.08 | jelly | well, the cd or dvd isn't that bare |
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| 11:00.47 | lunitik | TuxCrafter: yes |
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| 11:03.42 | TuxCrafter | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 11:03.56 | TuxCrafter | that one would be enough? |
| 11:04.20 | lunitik | TuxCrafter: sure... |
| 11:04.59 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 11:05.05 | Ace2016 | how do i run fsck on every boot? |
| 11:05.50 | ArtVandalae | I think you have to add something into /etc/fstab |
| 11:06.27 | Ace2016 | yea but what? |
| 11:06.39 | Ace2016 | google really doesn't help, its just full of people turning fsck off |
| 11:07.58 | lunitik | Ace2016: You realize it will already run when it's needed (ie after power outages etc) |
| 11:08.11 | Ace2016 | no i want it run on every boot |
| 11:08.17 | petemc | Ace2016: why? |
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| 11:08.34 | Ace2016 | my system has been locking up a lot lately, i have to hold down the power, and i never even ran fsck |
| 11:08.50 | Ace2016 | and it only takes like 2 seconds to run |
| 11:08.53 | pgpkeys | boot to the recovery CD and fsck it |
| 11:09.07 | petemc | Ace2016: thats no reason to want fsck to run _every_ boot |
| 11:09.09 | Ace2016 | no i just want to run fsck on every boot |
| 11:09.13 | lunitik | Ace2016: No, it takes a few minutes... but it won't be due to the file system I'd bet... |
| 11:09.22 | Ace2016 | xfs is my file system |
| 11:09.40 | lunitik | Ace2016: neat? |
| 11:09.57 | pgpkeys | grr. people and their xfs and reiserfs. even though the repair tools on both are seriously wanked |
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| 11:10.12 | TuxCrafter | linkslice: thanks |
| 11:10.14 | pgpkeys | s/repair/management/ |
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| 11:10.22 | petemc | xfs and unclean shutdowns == no data |
| 11:10.31 | Ace2016 | yea i know |
| 11:10.43 | Ace2016 | thats why i want fsck |
| 11:10.51 | nevyn | that's a dumb idea in all cases. |
| 11:10.56 | petemc | thats not the solution you need |
| 11:10.58 | Ace2016 | nevyn: ext3? |
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| 11:11.18 | nevyn | unclean shutdowns |
| 11:11.24 | pgpkeys | ext3 = dumb? put down the crack pipe and slowly step away |
| 11:11.28 | pgpkeys | oh, nm hehe |
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| 11:11.57 | petemc | nevyn: thats true, but some filesystems fair better than others |
| 11:11.57 | nevyn | it depends what you need it for. |
| 11:12.29 | nevyn | if you can't sync the fs then you're not writing data anyway (yay for libata bugs) |
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| 11:12.37 | petemc | hmm, fare |
| 11:13.31 | pgpkeys | you know you CAN fsck your drives via the shell off the install disk |
| 11:13.51 | pgpkeys | not sure if that fsck supports xfs drives though |
| 11:14.12 | nevyn | and its far more important that the return to service time is low for one of my use cases than that the data actually hit the disk |
| 11:14.36 | Ace2016 | well is there a way to force xfs to write directly to the disk instead of buffering? |
| 11:14.36 | nevyn | if my mythtv backend system can't write for some reason |
| 11:14.41 | pgpkeys | ahh the 5 9s again? |
| 11:14.52 | nevyn | no. |
| 11:15.04 | pgpkeys | Ace2016: you'd slow the fuck out of your system if you disable buffering |
| 11:15.11 | pgpkeys | excuse the language |
| 11:15.16 | Ace2016 | buffering writes not reads |
| 11:15.36 | pgpkeys | i realise that |
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| 11:15.42 | nevyn | my wife really cares at 8pm on a saturday that the system is back recording in time for greys anatomy much more than that 10 minutes of "sunday" didn't record |
| 11:16.04 | pgpkeys | you'd still slow things down because then the writing would take precidence which means blocking |
| 11:16.16 | pgpkeys | nevyn: haha! |
| 11:16.41 | Ace2016 | hang on how can ext3 be better than xfs? they'd both screw up your data if you pull the power when the system is writing data |
| 11:16.59 | nevyn | linux does the buffering not XFS. |
| 11:17.10 | nevyn | XFS delays writing more agressivly than ext3 tho |
| 11:17.16 | nevyn | in order ot improve throughput |
| 11:17.17 | pgpkeys | Ace2016: uhh, the journaling can *usually* recall and repair the problems. |
| 11:17.27 | Maulkin | Ace2016: http://osdir.com/ml/file-systems/2005-07/msg00011.html |
| 11:17.30 | Maulkin | Go read that |
| 11:17.35 | Ace2016 | ok |
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| 11:18.15 | Maulkin | BAsically, disable write cache, or buy proper disks |
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| 11:18.28 | Maulkin | Or run ext3 |
| 11:19.56 | Ace2016 | buy proper disks? |
| 11:19.59 | Ace2016 | its a laptop |
| 11:20.04 | alex12 | .......... craptops |
| 11:20.40 | Ace2016 | complete total system lockups are the only thing i have |
| 11:22.15 | Maulkin | Ace2016: erm... you're battery backed anyway then |
| 11:22.21 | Ace2016 | yea |
| 11:22.29 | Maulkin | So the problem is? |
| 11:22.47 | Ace2016 | so i want to run fsck on every boot just incas of a total system lockup forcing me to hold the power button down |
| 11:23.53 | Maulkin | Ace2016: you're mad... Don't. Just go read http://madduck.net/cgi-bin/ikiwiki?phrase=xfs&enc=UTF-8&do=hyperestraier |
| 11:24.07 | Maulkin | (http://madduck.net/blog/2006.07.18%3Axfs-caching/index.html) is particularly useful |
| 11:24.07 | pgpkeys | wow people are nuts |
| 11:24.14 | alex12 | what the f |
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| 11:24.40 | Maulkin | uck? |
| 11:24.48 | Maulkin | lip? |
| 11:24.58 | Maulkin | llying monkeies? |
| 11:26.19 | Ace2016 | yea wtf indeed, i loved xfs |
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| 11:26.57 | SerajewelKS | why would updatedb bring my box to its knees when run? |
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| 11:27.29 | petemc | SerajewelKS: your box has shit io? |
| 11:27.49 | SleepingSloth | hi all - ubuntu user in peace... i'm moving from ubuntu64 to a 32 bit distro... is there any compelling argument for moving to debian over ubuntu ? |
| 11:27.49 | SerajewelKS | possible |
| 11:28.03 | pgpkeys | ubuntu IS debian |
| 11:28.04 | SerajewelKS | running two SATA300 drives on a PCI SATA300 card |
| 11:28.11 | petemc | SleepingSloth: not really |
| 11:28.12 | SleepingSloth | pgpkeys ubuntu!=debian |
| 11:28.12 | pgpkeys | \it's just optimized as a desktop |
| 11:28.26 | pgpkeys | SleepingSloth: Uhh yeah, it does. it specificlt uses debian base |
| 11:28.37 | pgpkeys | err specifically even |
| 11:28.49 | SerajewelKS | so unless the PCI part of that is dragging, it should be really fast |
| 11:29.08 | petemc | pgpkeys: its based on debian, as are lots of distros - it has many differences |
| 11:29.11 | pgpkeys | those PCI-X ports? |
| 11:29.15 | SleepingSloth | pgpkeys - i didnt come here to argue the toss, there are lots of differences besides your 'desktop optimization' argument |
| 11:29.35 | SerajewelKS | !tell pgpkeys about ubuntu |
| 11:29.39 | pgpkeys | not many other than built for pentium machines. |
| 11:29.45 | petemc | eh? |
| 11:29.49 | cekz | !tell cekz about ubuntu |
| 11:29.54 | SleepingSloth | pgpkeys... please, dont bother |
| 11:29.57 | cekz | lol |
| 11:29.58 | SerajewelKS | !tell cekz about msg the bot |
| 11:30.25 | pgpkeys | SleepingSloth: don't worry I won't. would be a useless attempt |
| 11:30.56 | SerajewelKS | pgpkeys: they are PCI |
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| 11:31.42 | pgpkeys | cool |
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| 11:32.23 | Ace2016 | bye all |
| 11:32.30 | SerajewelKS | so how can i determine the bottleneck? |
| 11:32.50 | phyburn | how could I give my server more then one IP address. My hosting company gave me a netrange I could use. But i have no idea how to use more then one IP =( |
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| 11:33.17 | SleepingSloth | pgpkeys :) also.. is there any distro out there that will run 32 bit packages natively (*ie without the need for chroot jail) on 64 bit? |
| 11:33.29 | nevyn | phyburn: if you don't have a reason to do it don't |
| 11:33.51 | phyburn | nevyn, i do. I need to host anther website with a diffrent IP |
| 11:34.08 | nevyn | phyburn: why does it need a different ip? |
| 11:34.21 | SleepingSloth | payment gateway requirement? |
| 11:34.35 | nevyn | stop helping ;) |
| 11:34.42 | SleepingSloth | sorry :) |
| 11:35.00 | pgpkeys | well already the PCI port itself is going to be a major bottleneck. it's at what? 33MHz? (AGP is 66MHz) |
| 11:35.17 | phyburn | nevyn, because I don't want the sites linked if someone does a reverse IP lookup |
| 11:35.41 | nevyn | ok.. that's a new one. |
| 11:35.50 | nevyn | but sortof fair. |
| 11:35.59 | nevyn | ssl is the other good reason. |
| 11:36.09 | cekz | phyburn, http://www.servepath.com/support/debian_ip_configuration.htm |
| 11:36.12 | SerajewelKS | phyburn: they can do a whois and determine the net block, and associate them that way |
| 11:36.28 | phyburn | SerajewelKS, they would be assuming |
| 11:36.40 | phyburn | that wouldn't be 100% proof they are on the same server |
| 11:36.41 | pgpkeys | SleepingSloth: that I can't speak to. I don't have 64bit machines. everything is 32. sorry "/ |
| 11:36.53 | phyburn | they could be on two diffrent servers at the same data center |
| 11:37.12 | SerajewelKS | phyburn: if you don't configure apache configure they would be able to send Host headers and confirm :) |
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| 11:37.28 | SerajewelKS | apache carefully* |
| 11:38.06 | phyburn | SerajewelKS, what information could they obtain to link the two sites to the same server? |
| 11:38.06 | SerajewelKS | pgpkeys: so upgrade to PCI-E or what? |
| 11:38.19 | pgpkeys | SerajewelKS: most definitely |
| 11:38.58 | SerajewelKS | phyburn: what i just said -- if they go to site A and it resolves to ip X, and site B and it resolves to ip Y, and they forge a Host header with domain B to ip X and it responds with the site, there you go |
| 11:39.05 | SerajewelKS | pgpkeys: that takes $$$ :/ |
| 11:39.13 | pgpkeys | quality usually does |
| 11:39.29 | pgpkeys | camaro vs. viper |
| 11:39.42 | phyburn | SerajewelKS, true |
| 11:39.43 | SerajewelKS | i just bought a new mobo a few months ago though |
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| 11:40.49 | pgpkeys | SerajewelKS: http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_X.html |
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| 11:42.20 | Crypticfortune | long question: so I was trying out the 64bit version of crossover, tried to create a new "bottle" and my whole system froze (no idea why). System rebooted fine, however, being a bit of an idiot, I tried again. same result. reboot again, all's well. try one more crossover thing (simply directly executing an application), and caused the same result. but this time after rebooting I can no longer launch normal gnome applications! No gnome-terminal |
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| 11:43.04 | SerajewelKS | tell crossover they borked your system and ask them for help fixing it |
| 11:43.38 | Crypticfortune | SerajewelKS: good plan. sadly my paid support just expired. still, they deserve a mail.... |
| 11:44.00 | pgpkeys | grr. damn google sitemaps.. |
| 11:44.18 | SerajewelKS | Crypticfortune: it's really the only plan :/ it could have done anything to your system, and #debian can't be expected to know about their software |
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| 11:44.59 | SerajewelKS | anyway if their bug hosed your system they are required to fix it regardless of support, unless their license agreement requires you to waive liability |
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| 11:46.52 | Crypticfortune | SerajewelKS: technically, yes, but in the meantime (and since I suspect the crossover people will give me a big shoulder-shrug), i'm asking #debian if anyone knows how to debug a mysteriously non-responsive gnome |
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| 11:47.13 | SerajewelKS | Crypticfortune: you could try reinstalling all of the gnome packages... |
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| 12:05.30 | streuner_ | !wb |
| 12:05.30 | dpkg | thanks, streuner_. It's good to be back. |
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| 12:07.06 | lazyfrosch | ^^ |
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| 12:07.38 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 12:07.46 | Haris1 | What is Timer Frequency in kernel options? |
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| 12:09.12 | Haris1 | Does it help to select a higher frequency timer? |
| 12:09.26 | Haris1 | 100 HZ, 250 HZ, 1000 HZ |
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| 12:09.54 | alex12 | for hdd operations |
| 12:10.12 | alex12 | Haris1, oh and #kernel |
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| 12:21.11 | anvesh | how to configure D-link router in debian |
| 12:21.28 | streuner_ | to connect to the router? |
| 12:21.34 | streuner_ | !interfaces |
| 12:21.34 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 12:22.40 | anvesh | hmmmm, i didnt understand |
| 12:22.56 | streuner_ | sure, you didnt read :-) |
| 12:23.08 | streuner_ | read what the bot told you |
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| 12:24.43 | anvesh | wat should i do in interfaces |
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| 12:25.10 | streuner_ | anvesh: is DHCP enabled ? |
| 12:25.17 | anvesh | yes |
| 12:25.35 | streuner_ | good, just edit /etc/network/interfaces and add two lines |
| 12:25.44 | anvesh | i mean i have both windows and debian |
| 12:25.56 | quantumsoul | hi, i downloaded the iso of debian etch, but i dont have any burner cdrom unit, so i heard theres a way to install an iso from ur harddrive, i mean without booting fromt the cd ofc, it can be done with a program, can i knopw wich one is ? |
| 12:26.03 | tacit | anvesh: How about opening up a browser and entering http://192.168.0.1 or http://192.168.1.1 as it sais in the Dlink manual? |
| 12:26.25 | anvesh | i have installed d-link in windows and through that using dhcp i am able to connect to net |
| 12:27.08 | anvesh | ya ya wen i tried to configure using address of router it got disconnected |
| 12:28.35 | anvesh | streuner_: wat r the two lines i have to add |
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| 12:29.51 | jandark | have you any clue or document about post installing for debian package ? |
| 12:29.51 | jandark | debhelper, ? |
| 12:29.58 | streuner_ | auto eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 12:30.47 | peppe | quantumsoul: I don't think you can boot so easily from an .iso file... |
| 12:30.48 | anvesh | those two lines are already existing |
| 12:31.04 | streuner_ | anvesh: nothing else? |
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| 12:31.54 | streuner_ | anvesh: everything else is commented? |
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| 12:32.34 | anvesh | auto lo |
| 12:32.35 | anvesh | iface lo inet loopback auto lo |
| 12:32.35 | anvesh | iface lo inet loopback |
| 12:32.54 | anvesh | extra lines |
| 12:33.02 | peppe | anvesh: copy and paste the whole file onto a pastebin |
| 12:33.12 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 12:33.35 | streuner_ | anvesh: show us in paste.debian.net |
| 12:34.02 | anvesh | ya ya one min |
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| 12:35.37 | sir_maxx_ | Haloo alle zusammen |
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| 12:36.54 | sir_maxx_ | Can I write in german or is english the better language? |
| 12:37.06 | azeem | !de |
| 12:37.06 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 12:37.42 | liable | sir_maxx_: english if you want answers here |
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| 12:37.48 | tacit | hmm there's #debian-de on freendoe |
| 12:37.53 | anvesh | http://paste.debian.net/50574 |
| 12:37.58 | sir_maxx_ | thank you! My english is not the best... I leave the channel good bye! |
| 12:38.21 | liable | heh, what happened to the sidenote od #debian.de |
| 12:38.29 | liable | s/od/of |
| 12:38.34 | azeem | sidenote? |
| 12:39.19 | liable | azeem: the one that mentioned that .de wasnt very friendly (if a debian channel could be less friendly than this :P ) |
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| 12:39.46 | tacit | If there is one on freenode I'd redirect them there. |
| 12:39.49 | azeem | I know #debian.de on oftc is less friendly than this, I haven't bothered about #debian.de on freenode for a couple of years now |
| 12:39.56 | anvesh | streuner_: http://paste.debian.net/50574 |
| 12:40.14 | meskio | do someone here have experience with debian-cd? |
| 12:40.20 | anvesh | peppe: http://paste.debian.net/50574 |
| 12:40.29 | meskio | I'm having problems with it |
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| 12:40.46 | bdeferme | I see an error on line 5 anvesh |
| 12:40.47 | meskio | i'm trying to creat custom debian cds |
| 12:40.55 | meskio | with my own packages |
| 12:41.03 | bdeferme | or it went wrong with pasting it :p |
| 12:41.04 | meskio | in debian etch |
| 12:41.07 | azeem | meskio: did you try simple-cdd? |
| 12:41.08 | bdeferme | but your comment |
| 12:41.09 | anvesh | oh wat is that |
| 12:41.14 | bdeferme | The loopback network interface |
| 12:41.17 | bdeferme | is not commented |
| 12:41.18 | meskio | not, i'll see it |
| 12:41.21 | azeem | meskio: debian-cd is known to be pretty complicated for newcomers |
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| 12:41.31 | meskio | I know |
| 12:41.33 | yure | hi |
| 12:41.39 | meskio | but my problem i think if from debian-cd |
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| 12:41.52 | meskio | is the same problem that have the debian testing cds |
| 12:41.57 | meskio | about the kernel modules |
| 12:42.05 | yure | is there a way for debian to know which dirs and files were effected if a system dir has been deleted, and repair those automatically? |
| 12:42.08 | anvesh | wen i comment it wat will happen bdeferme |
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| 12:42.11 | enouf | martianixor: you could try and work with the bootcd pkg, or do you require it be an installer too? |
| 12:42.18 | yure | it would make sense that it can, i just need to name it :) |
| 12:42.36 | azeem | yure: which di was it? |
| 12:42.52 | enouf | gah , i meant meskio , not martianixor |
| 12:42.54 | azeem | if it's under /usr, you might have look doing a debsums run, and reinstall all packages which fail there |
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| 12:43.06 | yure | ie. /usr/lib/python2.4 or /usr/lib/perl |
| 12:43.08 | yure | aha |
| 12:43.10 | bdeferme | your problem will be fixed probaly azeem :p |
| 12:43.12 | bdeferme | anvesh: * |
| 12:43.13 | bdeferme | sorry |
| 12:43.14 | meskio | martianixor: i need an installer |
| 12:43.27 | peppe | yure: why did you delete /usr/lib/perl??? :P |
| 12:43.29 | meskio | ups i mean enouf |
| 12:43.35 | yure | i didns :) |
| 12:43.38 | enouf | meskio: ok, i see, no prob |
| 12:43.38 | azeem | yure: or just grep for that directory in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list |
| 12:43.57 | enouf | meskio: worth a look though, apt-cache show bootcd |
| 12:44.00 | meskio | i create normal debian cds with debian-cd |
| 12:44.15 | meskio | and it have errors at install time |
| 12:44.29 | meskio | ok, i'll see |
| 12:44.29 | anvesh | bdeferme: wat should i do |
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| 12:45.47 | meskio | enouf: bootcd seems to be for live-cds, what I need is an installer |
| 12:45.54 | anvesh | gtg byeeeeee |
| 12:46.04 | bdeferme | azeem: |
| 12:46.07 | bdeferme | lol |
| 12:46.16 | sir_maxx_ | Hello again. Nobody had answered my question in the german Debian IRC Channel. So im Back here :) |
| 12:46.21 | bdeferme | w/e |
| 12:47.23 | meskio | but anyway I'm going to try with simple-cdd and see if it is enogh for me |
| 12:47.26 | meskio | thanks for the help |
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| 12:49.28 | sir_maxx_ | I am a noob in configuring a Debian Webserer normally I just programming and configuring some Conent Management Systems. But I one littel question because our Administrator don´t know it: I had installed the Illias Teachcomponent an Ilias needs an XSL Component/ Plugin. Is this difficult to install?! |
| 12:50.11 | sir_maxx_ | And what are the next Steps to do it?! |
| 12:50.13 | azeem | sir_maxx_: how did you install Illias Teachcomponent? |
| 12:50.55 | sir_maxx_ | I have played it via FTP on the Webserver, it has an install wizzard |
| 12:51.32 | azeem | then ask them how to install additional components, we don't know |
| 12:52.05 | sir_maxx_ | No your Debian Sever need XSL |
| 12:52.10 | sir_maxx_ | for Illias |
| 12:52.17 | azeem | what is XSL? |
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| 12:55.23 | yure | azeem, thanks, grepping worked great :) |
| 12:55.33 | yure | debsums would probably do too, but this was quicked |
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| 12:56.49 | enouf | iinm, Mozilla/Gecko uses XSL/XUL .. not that i know much about it |
| 12:57.05 | tesla | hi does anyone know how to apply timestamp in x-chat in debian ? |
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| 12:59.14 | enouf | tesla: man xchat ? |
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| 13:03.02 | tesla | enouf ; i tried "man xchat" and some very limited information revealed itself, and also no information on timestamp or any further instructions. |
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| 13:03.25 | enouf | tesla: look in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 13:03.28 | Roge | tesla, you can turn on timestamps in the settings |
| 13:03.35 | enouf | tesla: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 13:03.37 | Roobarb | tesla: Settings > Preferences > Interface > Text Box > "Enable Time Stamps" |
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| 13:03.56 | enouf | Roobarb: haha ..nice name |
| 13:04.06 | defunk | hello again every1, i'm having troubles with apt, i'm keep getting Segmentation Faults |
| 13:04.09 | tesla | . |
| 13:04.12 | tesla | man |
| 13:04.14 | defunk | (running etch) |
| 13:04.31 | tesla | ive looked for this alot, seem to have overlooked it though. |
| 13:04.41 | tesla | but thx guys, this worked. |
| 13:04.52 | olazama | hej. i have server with xeon 2.80... i want to install to it debian. but i dont know if its dual core or not and witch platform debian iso image i should download..i386? |
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| 13:05.20 | defunk | anybody? :O |
| 13:05.22 | enouf | olazama: can you show us your output of "grep flags /proc/cpuinfo" ? |
| 13:05.39 | olazama | enouf: i would but now there is windows 2003 |
| 13:05.49 | enouf | olazama: it's going to be either i386 or amd64 , not ia64 |
| 13:06.13 | peleg | using HTTrack, I am trying to download a whole site; but using to GUI, after a few steps, the GUI calls the url: "http://dell:8080/server/refresh.html" and I get "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at dell:8080" - well, this is weird, because "http://dell:8080/server/step4.html" worked; I can repeat it many times, and each time it's the same. What can cause it? |
| 13:06.17 | olazama | enouf: thank u |
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| 13:06.27 | enouf | olazama: perhaps windows has a tool, or see processorfinder.intel.com ? |
| 13:06.58 | olazama | enouf: thank u again |
| 13:08.00 | enouf | olazama: /msg dpkg amd64 <--it's the 64bit version for x86 CPUs, em64t is the Intel name only for the same thing, as is x86_64 |
| 13:08.27 | enouf | olazama: i386 would be 32bit versions |
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| 13:09.23 | enouf | (for x86 CPUs, such as amd and all intels, except itaniums-> which are the ia64 variant) |
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| 13:11.36 | enouf | peleg: i don't know httrack or anything, but a guess is, might you need to pass a cookie? a referrer URL ? |
| 13:11.47 | enouf | er accept a cookie i meant |
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| 13:13.33 | Jemt | Greetz :) |
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| 13:19.45 | martianixor | hello, guys anyone got a shadow.org file ! |
| 13:20.07 | Jemt | I'm considering building a server (Apache2, MySQL5, PHP5, PostFix) based on a 8GB Compact Flash Card for storage - I'm just not sure how reliable the system will be. According to the manufactor the card has the following "reliability properties": MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) > 1,000,000 hours - Durability: Minimum 10,000 insertion/removal cycles. What does this mean? That I can write ie 1 but the same "place" on the card 10.000 times? That would mean tha |
| 13:20.07 | Jemt | t I can write/delete a total of about 80 TB before the drive dies (8 GB * 10.000) - is this true ? |
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| 13:20.38 | m_dige | any linux-headers experts in here ? |
| 13:20.38 | Jemt | 1 but = 1 bit |
| 13:20.59 | Maulkin | m_dige: just ask |
| 13:20.59 | Jemt | m_dige: Better just ask your question |
| 13:21.00 | tacit | Jemt: "Insertion / removal"... like putting in the card and taking it out? |
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| 13:21.40 | martianixor | in other words, is it something normal to find such thing? |
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| 13:21.50 | Jemt | tacit: I'm not sure what it means - the specs are available here : http://www.adata.com.tw/adata_en/product_show.php?ProductNo=ACFCZZZBK |
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| 13:22.02 | m_dige | okay. linux-headers-2.6.24-1 is that for all 2.6.24 kernels. Or only 2.6.24.1 ? |
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| 13:22.19 | Jemt | m_dige: Only .1 |
| 13:22.24 | tacit | Jemt: It does mean actual insertion and removal. Not read/write. |
| 13:22.29 | m_dige | i'm using the prestine 2.6.24-3 kernel from kernel.org |
| 13:22.31 | Maulkin | erm... |
| 13:22.39 | m_dige | Jemt: okay thanks |
| 13:22.41 | Maulkin | Are you sure? :) |
| 13:22.44 | Jemt | tacit: Oh, LOL - okay :) |
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| 13:23.39 | Jemt | tacit: So I would be capable of performing reads/writes for more than 1,000,000 hours straight ? |
| 13:23.40 | martianixor | guys I'm still unable to su root, unable to get a sharp |
| 13:23.42 | m_dige | Jemt: So there is not point in always using the latest kernel from kernel.org since you always have to wait for the release of the linux-headers |
| 13:24.19 | martianixor | I can do almost anything by sudoing though |
| 13:24.29 | Jemt | m_dige: Not sure really :-/ |
| 13:24.30 | Maulkin | martianixor: sudo su - |
| 13:24.43 | m_dige | Jemt: Okay:) |
| 13:24.48 | martianixor | Maulkin: nothing |
| 13:24.48 | Jemt | m_dige: Sorry :) |
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| 13:24.53 | Maulkin | Jemt: no. The specs you need aren't on there |
| 13:24.56 | m_dige | Jemt: np |
| 13:25.04 | Maulkin | martianixor: so... no text appears on the screen when you type that? |
| 13:25.13 | Jemt | m_dige: You should use the latest kernel from the Debain repository - often it is patched with debian specific bugfixes |
| 13:25.23 | Jemt | Maulkin: Oh, okay :-/ |
| 13:25.27 | m_dige | Is there a Debian kernel channel ? |
| 13:25.39 | martianixor | Maulkin: no I just get same prompt again |
| 13:25.40 | Maulkin | m_dige: you're in it |
| 13:25.55 | martianixor | Maulkin: as the same user I've used to do sudo su - |
| 13:25.57 | Jemt | So how many read/writes you a normal CF-card usually be up to ? |
| 13:25.58 | Maulkin | martianixor: and what appears when you type 'id' at the new prompt? |
| 13:26.14 | martianixor | Maulkin: of course my user name, "normal" user |
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| 13:26.19 | m_dige | Jemt: I could use the latest debian kernel in stead yes |
| 13:26.33 | Jemt | m_dige: That's what I would recommend :) |
| 13:26.34 | Maulkin | m_dige: The exact text? |
| 13:26.44 | m_dige | Maulkin: text ? |
| 13:26.45 | Maulkin | m_dige: just use the latest debian kernel :) |
| 13:26.53 | Maulkin | m_dige: when you type 'id' |
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| 13:27.02 | Maulkin | grr |
| 13:27.06 | martianixor | Maulkin: I get this CRON[3852]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user my_user then CRON[3852]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user my_user, the next second |
| 13:27.23 | Maulkin | martianixor: what's the exact text you get when you type id at the new prompt? |
| 13:27.40 | Maulkin | And what, exactly are you typing to get to root? |
| 13:29.11 | martianixor | Maulkin: I tried sudo su -, sudo su, su root |
| 13:29.11 | Maulkin | martianixor: please don't message me... |
| 13:29.18 | martianixor | Maulkin: sorry |
| 13:29.24 | Maulkin | ok... now the output of: |
| 13:29.24 | Maulkin | dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 13:29.25 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6|tail -1 |
| 13:30.05 | martianixor | Maulkin: installed ii |
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| 13:30.17 | Maulkin | martianixor: That's not the exact text, is it? |
| 13:30.22 | martianixor | 2.7-6 |
| 13:30.26 | Maulkin | martianixor: That's not the exact text, is it? |
| 13:30.40 | martianixor | Maulkin: ok I'll just cp/paste |
| 13:30.52 | martianixor | Maulkin: ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:31.32 | Maulkin | Right. Now: getent passwd|grep root |
| 13:31.47 | bahadunn | anyone here administrate bind and done arpa delegation for subnet on non-octet boundary using CNAMEs? |
| 13:32.07 | Maulkin | bahadunn: urgh... not sure that's allowed. |
| 13:32.19 | bahadunn | Maulkin: allowed? |
| 13:32.51 | martianixor | Maulkin: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/true |
| 13:33.09 | Maulkin | martianixor: there's your problem. Your shell for root is set to 'true' |
| 13:33.22 | Maulkin | martianixor: what's the output of cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 13:34.24 | martianixor | Maulkin: lenny/sid, but I think it was my fault, I don't know how exactly I did it, but I was trying to chsh -s /bin/true mpd |
| 13:35.07 | martianixor | Maulkin: but that was just a thought, other wise it would be a very funny coincidence |
| 13:35.18 | Maulkin | bahadunn: looks like you are. See rfc2317 |
| 13:35.33 | Maulkin | martianixor: sounds about right. Go change it back |
| 13:35.41 | bahadunn | Maulkin: been there and read that |
| 13:35.50 | Maulkin | bahadunn: so the problem is? |
| 13:35.54 | bahadunn | Maulkin: I just need a little help verifying that it works correctly |
| 13:36.14 | bahadunn | Maulkin: I dont think it is working correctly even though I think I have it setup right |
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| 13:36.51 | Maulkin | bahadunn: Works for me. For more help, try #dns |
| 13:37.06 | roger__ | theres gotta be something wrong when your upspeed is faster then your down |
| 13:37.55 | martianixor | Maulkin: thanks not just for help, and your patience |
| 13:38.03 | bdeferme | roger__: your isp promotes p2p sharing today :D ? |
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| 13:38.29 | tacit | Maybe he put the ADSL cable in the wrong direction. |
| 13:38.40 | roger__ | heh heh |
| 13:39.09 | roger__ | im getting a really slow connect though. i max out at around 50KB |
| 13:39.49 | bdeferme | here in belgium one would say, ha, so you'r over your downloadlimit so they capped you on smallband |
| 13:39.52 | bdeferme | :P |
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| 13:40.01 | roger__ | its a brand new connection |
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| 13:40.04 | tacit | roger__: Is your upstream choked? |
| 13:40.28 | roger__ | my down is reporting 381 kb/s and up 444 kb/s on speedtest |
| 13:40.36 | eth01 | heh |
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| 13:40.56 | eth01 | check the SNR ;) |
| 13:41.03 | roger__ | whats SNR ? |
| 13:41.11 | eth01 | signal:noise:ratio |
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| 13:41.28 | roger__ | i phoned them last night, and gave my number and the girl said i wasnt even in the system |
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| 13:41.45 | m_dige | is there a way in the gui of aptitude to see all available versions of a package in each distribution ? |
| 13:41.45 | eth01 | typical |
| 13:41.47 | nmmachado | hi, How do I make for Linux in Standby? |
| 13:42.06 | dererk | apt-get install suspend |
| 13:42.07 | eth01 | so its not just VM! |
| 13:42.52 | Maulkin | m_dige: dunno about aptitude, but you can use 'apt-cache policy <package>' |
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| 13:43.15 | mosty | m_dige, try synaptic |
| 13:43.37 | gonzaloaf | hi, is it possible to play midis with xmms? |
| 13:43.46 | m_dige | mosty: synaptic ? Thought that was for ubuntu |
| 13:43.53 | Nyle | UHH |
| 13:43.57 | Nyle | !ping |
| 13:43.57 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:44.01 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 13:44.04 | azeem | m_dige: no |
| 13:44.20 | mosty | m_dige, i think it works with any dpkg/apt based dist |
| 13:44.23 | g00se | Am i correct in thinking that hosts.allow isn't used much? |
| 13:44.32 | m_dige | mosty: okay |
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| 13:44.49 | azeem | g00se: it's not used much on desktop systems, correct |
| 13:45.00 | m_dige | mosty: but still i do belive aptitude should be able to tell me this as well |
| 13:45.18 | g00se | azeem: Just wondering why access denied for http and not ssh ... |
| 13:45.19 | m_dige | mosty: I could be wrong of couse |
| 13:45.21 | enouf | m_dige: i don't think there's a tool showing all pkgs and which version is in which release - yet, pdo, might be for you - or jigdo might help, or maybe even auto-apt |
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| 13:45.25 | xand | g00se: well, with iptables it's not that useful |
| 13:45.32 | g00se | (Could be at the app layer) |
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| 13:46.01 | azeem | m_dige: there might be something like apt-show-versions or so - but if it exists at all, it's a command-line tool |
| 13:46.08 | miromiro | hi there... i have strange entries in my mail.log (postfix): Mar 6 14:36:09 SERVER postfix/postdrop[9561]: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/148270.9561: Permission denied |
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| 13:46.38 | miromiro | and mailqueue is getting very long... |
| 13:46.44 | enouf | m_dige: /msg dpkg pdo (to explain what i meant by "pdo") |
| 13:46.57 | mosty | m_dige, you could just browse the Packages file on any debian mirror |
| 13:47.18 | m_dige | enouf: thanks |
| 13:48.08 | simonrvn | miromiro: pretty obvious what the problem is... |
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| 13:49.29 | lunaphyte_ | how can i determine if the ppskit mods have been applied to my kernel? |
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| 13:49.58 | binary010 | Hey all |
| 13:50.00 | binary010 | what's up |
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| 13:50.03 | g00se | azeem: Thanks |
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| 13:50.17 | binary010 | anyone know a package in deb..like audit |
| 13:50.22 | binary010 | to audit files.. |
| 13:50.36 | azeem | audit files for what? |
| 13:50.39 | Nyle | Jemt: jtech at fhds.com is not resolving |
| 13:50.41 | Nyle | er. |
| 13:50.45 | Nyle | jets |
| 13:50.46 | binary010 | see you changed it... |
| 13:50.51 | Nyle | !seen jetscreamer |
| 13:50.51 | dpkg | jetscreamer <n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9h 52m 45s ago, saying: 'guy wasn't just pulling the trigger spamming'. |
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| 13:50.53 | mosty | i want to install some programs that rely on java, but i do not want any gcj packages installed at all. i have sun-java6-jre installed, but when i install ant, it wants to pull in a crapload of gcj related libs, why is this? |
| 13:50.57 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 13:51.00 | binary010 | or delete or whatever to the file |
| 13:51.21 | mosty | m_dige, dselect would work, but few people use it these days |
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| 13:51.29 | simonrvn | miromiro: the clue: "create file... ...Permission denied" |
| 13:51.30 | azeem | binary010: and? |
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| 13:51.57 | Nyle | simonrvn: hey don't disappear on me |
| 13:52.09 | Nyle | simonrvn: I would like to speak with you privately later on today |
| 13:52.10 | binary010 | there are few files..that i want to watch..in a web directory..who's making changes or deleting.. |
| 13:52.11 | miromiro | simonrvn, i checked permissions of these folders - they are correct |
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| 13:52.16 | simonrvn | mosty: remove them from the selection, it's not like you need those |
| 13:52.28 | simonrvn | miromiro: no they aren't |
| 13:52.33 | Nyle | simonrvn: I'm going to msg you when I am ready :) |
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| 13:52.40 | binary010 | azeem: do you know any package..that can do that.. |
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| 13:52.51 | azeem | binary010: do waht? |
| 13:52.53 | azeem | what* |
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| 13:53.02 | binary010 | areem: audit them.. |
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| 13:53.06 | mosty | simonrvn, apt-get install ant, is what i'm using- how do i tell it not to install specific packages? |
| 13:53.07 | azeem | binary010: please try to describe your problem coherently |
| 13:53.15 | azeem | binary010: "audit" is pretty unspecific |
| 13:53.25 | miromiro | simonrvn: do this map to /var/spool/postfix/maildrop ? |
| 13:53.33 | simonrvn | mosty: i use aptitude, mostly the frontend |
| 13:53.43 | miromiro | i checked and it has the same as on an other proper working machine |
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| 13:53.54 | binary010 | azeem: i just did...i would like to audit few files..who's making changes in my system..i would like to know if there is a package like audit for debian |
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| 13:54.13 | azeem | binary010: what do you mean with "audit"? |
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| 13:54.23 | Nyle | simonrvn: frontend? |
| 13:54.34 | Nyle | I can't stand any |
| 13:54.44 | azeem | binary010: maybe you mean something like tripwire |
| 13:54.55 | simonrvn | Nyle: yes it has command line functions and the ncurses interface |
| 13:54.57 | binary010 | azeem: what comes to your mind when someone say they are comming to audit your work |
| 13:55.00 | Nyle | simonrvn: by the way did you catch how I limited his proxy |
| 13:55.07 | Nyle | simonrvn: I am aware, I just don't use it |
| 13:55.13 | Nyle | I have in the past, tediuos |
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| 13:55.21 | Nyle | s/tedious* |
| 13:55.32 | azeem | binary010: depends on which work |
| 13:55.34 | Nyle | er.. his bw using my proxy |
| 13:55.41 | simonrvn | Nyle: no |
| 13:55.44 | Nyle | simonrvn: delay pools, 32kb max dl for him |
| 13:55.53 | simonrvn | nice |
| 13:56.01 | Nyle | hang on |
| 13:56.25 | binary010 | azeem: dude i just explained it to you..that i was to watch who's making changes to certains files..in the system..that's what i meant by audit.. |
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| 13:56.44 | azeem | binary010: 14:53 < azeem> binary010: maybe you mean something like tripwire |
| 13:56.48 | camba | Hi there... I know that debian has a better support for MIDI hardware, but I can't find a way to handle MIDI inputs/outputs without a hardware. Like MIDI Yoke does for windows. Any ideas? |
| 13:56.51 | simonrvn | hang on to what? i'm sitting |
| 13:56.58 | Nyle | lol |
| 13:56.59 | azeem | binary010: if random people do random changes on your system, you have a bigger problem anyway |
| 13:57.02 | Nyle | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/50581 |
| 13:57.04 | Nyle | lookit |
| 13:57.16 | Nyle | I have not tried yet, or REALLY dug the docs |
| 13:57.25 | Nyle | but I think I shold be able to specify more than one host per acl |
| 13:57.27 | Nyle | right? |
| 13:57.40 | Nyle | what about delay_access too |
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| 13:58.05 | sordith | binary010: you could have a look at tripwire or browse through the output of "apt-cache search audit" |
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| 13:58.26 | binary010 | All i wanted to know was in debian if there is a package like "audit" or daemon "auditctl" in fedora or redhat which can monitor files for changes that happens to it |
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| 13:58.40 | azeem | binary010: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:58.45 | Nyle | you think debian doesn't have |
| 13:58.46 | Nyle | c'mon man |
| 13:58.50 | Nyle | thats a childish thought |
| 13:58.55 | simonrvn | Nyle: can't you do a host group, then stick that in the acl. i haven't done much squid |
| 13:58.58 | Nyle | thats right, search |
| 13:58.59 | et | sounds like what inotify is for |
| 13:59.02 | miromiro | simonrvn - this is very strange... the processes reporting this are childs of the tree lmtpd - sendmail - postdrop, acting as user cyrus... |
| 13:59.15 | Nyle | simonrvn: not quite sure, I only read as much docs as I needed to get my shit done |
| 13:59.18 | Nyle | heh |
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| 13:59.32 | Nyle | I will look up acls and groups later |
| 13:59.36 | Nyle | I gotta clean the house today |
| 13:59.53 | binary010 | tripwire is not what i'm looking for |
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| 14:00.09 | azeem | binary010: have a look at debsums then maybe |
| 14:00.10 | binary010 | i'm looking for a file monitoring program |
| 14:00.12 | azeem | it doesn't cover all files |
| 14:00.14 | sordith | binary010: too complex for your purpose? |
| 14:00.25 | binary010 | yeh..i think so.. |
| 14:00.31 | enouf | $ apt-cache show watchdog ? i never used it though |
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| 14:00.40 | binary010 | ahh.. |
| 14:00.48 | binary010 | let me check it out |
| 14:00.56 | simonrvn | miromiro: lmtpd is likely switching to that user:group to make the delivery (and dropped privs as a consequence) |
| 14:00.56 | Nyle | $? |
| 14:01.04 | Nyle | oh |
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| 14:01.07 | Nyle | hah, shell |
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| 14:01.12 | mosty | simonrvn, strange- why does apt-get want to install packages that aren't dependencies? |
| 14:01.22 | sordith | binary010: do you have a chance to do an "apt-cache search"? if not you can use the website at packages.debian.org to investigate which packages fit an "audit" description |
| 14:01.28 | Nyle | mosty: apt-get? |
| 14:01.31 | enouf | das-watchdog ? |
| 14:01.41 | Nyle | when did debian ship apt-get with recommends to isntalled by default? |
| 14:01.46 | Nyle | I was no aware of this change |
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| 14:01.48 | Nyle | not* |
| 14:01.58 | sordith | Nyle: whaaaat?! |
| 14:02.01 | Nyle | mosty: if you are using aptitude yes |
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| 14:02.03 | chops | Nyle: It was not that long ago |
| 14:02.18 | chops | Nyle: But I remember it being discussed; I think it was on debian-devel-announce |
| 14:02.33 | Nyle | well thats fucked up |
| 14:02.36 | chops | sordith: It's not "bad things"; packages that recommend packages incorrectly are the culprits |
| 14:02.55 | chops | Nyle: The Debian development community (and, FWIW, me) disagrees with you. |
| 14:03.06 | sordith | chops: i am sorry, but i want to decide whether i need a recommended package and not a software |
| 14:03.09 | Nyle | no its fucked up that I didnt know |
| 14:03.11 | Nyle | I should know. |
| 14:03.12 | enouf | lastly, $ apt-cache search inotify as another mentioned, i'm sure there's many more too |
| 14:03.14 | donald_ | anyone here using a Thinkpad X61? |
| 14:03.19 | chops | Nyle: If "Recommends" means "Suggests", then we shouldn't have a "Recommends" field at all. |
| 14:03.31 | binary010 | Nope watchdog is not what i'm looking for |
| 14:03.33 | chops | sordith: You do get to decide. It's just what the default is. |
| 14:03.38 | mosty | Nyle, "apt-get install ant" is trying to install lots of gcj packages, when i already have sun-java6-jdk & jre installed |
| 14:03.48 | binary010 | check out this page...this is what i'm looking for |
| 14:03.49 | sordith | ah, ok. i can relax then :-) |
| 14:03.49 | chops | sordith: You can even disable that behavior by modifying your apt preferences |
| 14:03.49 | binary010 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-audit-files-to-see-who-made-changes-to-a-file.html |
| 14:03.56 | simonrvn | mosty: i do believe you can turn that shit off |
| 14:03.57 | Nyle | mosty: just turn of rec/sug in aptitude and use only aptitude |
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| 14:04.13 | Nyle | fuck apt-get now |
| 14:04.19 | Nyle | I can't use that garbage anymore |
| 14:04.20 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 14:04.25 | Nyle | j/k relaxxx... j/k |
| 14:04.32 | chops | mosty: Better to file a bug against the package; a lot of packages still have Recommends: that need to be cleaned up after the change. |
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| 14:05.07 | miromiro | simonrvn: lmtps dropping to cyrus is perfect for local delivery, but i can't see any reason why lmtpd then does sendmail - postdrop... |
| 14:05.14 | binary010 | so you guys see what i mean and what i'm looking for..that's exactly type of package what i'm looking |
| 14:05.17 | simonrvn | and dropped to suggests (/me is always confused with the 2... yes after 6 years of fucking with this stuff) |
| 14:05.19 | enouf | Nyle: create a /99recommend file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d with content; "APT::Install-Recommends "false";" ? |
| 14:05.19 | miromiro | simonrvn: this is standard sarge permission setup |
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| 14:05.24 | sordith | if the border between recommends and suggests is unclear, pushing the recommends more into the direction of a required is the wrong way |
| 14:05.27 | sordith | but thats just my 2 cents |
| 14:05.44 | mosty | chops, so it's a bug in the ant Recommends field? |
| 14:05.50 | Nyle | enouf: I don't use apt |
| 14:05.57 | enouf | i do |
| 14:06.00 | chops | sordith: "Recommends" has a specific technical meaning in Debian. It basically means "99% of systems will need this package installed as well, but we support not installing the package for nonstandard configurations. Not installing a DB server along with a DB-server-requiring app (because the DB can be run on a separate server) is an example. |
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| 14:06.00 | Nyle | don't really care |
| 14:06.01 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:06.10 | enouf | then stfu :-P |
| 14:06.19 | simonrvn | miromiro: i don't do postfix, better ask in #postfix b) consider upgrading to etch very soon, sarge is getting dropped in not too long |
| 14:06.26 | Nyle | :( |
| 14:06.36 | chops | mosty: It may be. It may be a bug in the Recommends field of something ant depends on. |
| 14:06.47 | sordith | chops: it either is required or it is recommended :-) |
| 14:06.53 | miromiro | simonrvn i'm on etch for future.. |
| 14:06.56 | Nyle | enouf: to shut the fuck up, I'd have to be fucking first, technically |
| 14:07.00 | Nyle | :/ |
| 14:07.14 | enouf | Nyle: nm me |
| 14:07.17 | Crypticfortune | bloody hell. I figured out my problem. and it didn't have anything to do with crossover corrupting gnome or something like that. ultimately it came down to the horror that is file locking over NFS.... (client crashes, comes back, tries to lock files, server says "no, those files are already locked", client says "ok, unlock those files," server says "No, you don't own those files," client sobs quietly.) |
| 14:07.18 | mosty | chops, well ant does recommend some gcj crap |
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| 14:07.23 | Nyle | enouf: :) |
| 14:07.28 | chops | sordith: Right. Depends is what's needed on 100% of systems, Recommends is what's needed on 99% of systems, Suggests is... well, a suggestion, which shouldn't be installed alongside by default. |
| 14:07.34 | Nyle | enouf: its all good |
| 14:07.37 | enouf | ;-) |
| 14:07.49 | Crypticfortune | s/own those files/own those locks/ |
| 14:08.17 | sordith | i was not part of that flame war on the mailing lists! aaaaargh! |
| 14:09.00 | simonrvn | Crypticfortune: eh, that's what is keeping me from having nfs /home |
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| 14:09.05 | enouf | Crypticfortune: nfs3 or 4 ? |
| 14:09.17 | simonrvn | even with lockd... |
| 14:09.17 | chops | sordith: It's been decided. There's no more war. You can make a different decision locally, though. |
| 14:09.52 | enouf | ew .. just recalled something about "famd" .. anybody like that? |
| 14:10.05 | simonrvn | chops: ok, so i'm not confused |
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| 14:10.20 | sordith | chops: it smells like ubuntu's spirit of taking choices of the users away to make things appear to be easier. but well. the flame war comment was a joke. so i better let that be |
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| 14:10.43 | Nyle | sordith: debian decides a lot of ther things for you |
| 14:10.45 | themill | sordith: no choices are taken away. |
| 14:10.47 | Nyle | but you don't bitch about them |
| 14:10.54 | Nyle | right |
| 14:10.56 | Nyle | right? |
| 14:11.06 | chops | sordith: There's no choice being taken away. You can reconfigure the default locally, and you can override it for any particular package even with an unchanged default. |
| 14:11.13 | simonrvn | sordith: a bit of that has been creeping into debian, but it's mostly still good ol' debian AFAICT |
| 14:11.47 | Nyle | ubuntu does a lot of stupid shit |
| 14:11.59 | enouf | tastes like chicken |
| 14:12.05 | donald_ | Nyle: stupid like what? |
| 14:12.18 | sordith | themill: if i have to do something specifically to avoid an unwanted behaviour, its another philosophy than keeping me in the situation to do something if i want something additionally. or is that explained too weird what i mean? |
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| 14:12.24 | Crypticfortune | enouf: nfs3 (server is running solaris). i tried nfs4 briefly but it caused my system to hang (eek) |
| 14:12.24 | binary010 | so does anyone know anything like this for debian ? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-audit-files-to-see-who-made-changes-to-a-file.html |
| 14:12.31 | Nyle | donald_: have you ever used it |
| 14:12.42 | Nyle | !info auditd |
| 14:12.43 | donald_ | well.. its on this laptop now |
| 14:12.43 | enouf | Crypticfortune: thanks for the follow up and ewww :-) |
| 14:12.47 | dpkg | auditd: (User space tools for security auditing), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.5.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 211 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
| 14:12.51 | Nyle | donald_: have fun |
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| 14:13.08 | Nyle | donald_: can't/don't wanna get into it |
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| 14:13.32 | chops | sordith: Why are you automatically assuming that Recommends are unwanted? What package are you talking about? Recommends are intended to be things that are, generally, wanted. |
| 14:13.36 | themill | sordith: you only don't like it because it's new. It's better for 99+% of users and the few who don't like it just need to either add one line to one file. If you were subscribed to d-d-a you'd know about it too (and you should be if you're running lenny or sid) |
| 14:13.40 | binary010 | !info auditd |
| 14:13.41 | dpkg | auditd: (User space tools for security auditing), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.5.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 211 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
| 14:13.42 | donald_ | well.. it eases a lot of things.. or maybe i'm too dumb to run Debian well |
| 14:13.44 | enouf | !harden |
| 14:13.44 | dpkg | hmm... harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 14:13.46 | craigevil | ubuntu is a stinking pile of dog poo, it wouldnt be quite so bad if they didnt much things up and not use debians repos |
| 14:14.04 | sordith | its similar like the discussion whether "phoning home" code is enabled by default or not. my agenda is that i dont want to do something to avoid it. if i want an application to send data home for whatever reason, then i actively enable that |
| 14:14.05 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 14:14.06 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
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| 14:14.20 | craigevil | d-d-a? |
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| 14:14.27 | chops | sordith: Recommends have nothing to do with code phoning home. I'm going to stop participating in this conversation now. |
| 14:14.40 | sordith | chops: the philosophy conflict is similar |
| 14:14.57 | themill | !d-d-a |
| 14:14.58 | dpkg | d-d-a is, like, debian-devel-announce, the list that major Debian developments are posted to. It's less than one message a day, so Testing and Sid users have no excuse not to be on it and read it. Sign up at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 14:15.10 | Nyle | too many hyphens |
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| 14:15.19 | craigevil | ok thought thats what it was, check already on that list :) |
| 14:15.23 | Nyle | !dda |
| 14:15.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-devel-announce is If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then *YOU* are part of the development process! This means you must subscribe to "debian-devel-announce" or risk missing important announcements, like broken packages. "mailx -s 'subscribe' debian-devel-announce-request@lists.debian.org < /dev/null" or <http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe> |
| 14:15.26 | Nyle | :/ |
| 14:15.31 | sordith | but yeah, you are right. me little puppy cant do anything about it by ranting on this channel. sorry for heating up the climate |
| 14:15.38 | TromBoeZoe | hi, is there a lighter weight image as jpg,gif... manipulating app because i have a laptop and its pretty old but need to mess around with some images |
| 14:15.45 | xuser | what's a good cli audio playter? |
| 14:15.52 | craigevil | moc |
| 14:15.54 | Nyle | alsaplayer |
| 14:15.56 | TromBoeZoe | the gimp is to hard |
| 14:15.57 | chops | xuser: I like mpg123/ogg123 |
| 14:16.02 | Nyle | mpg321 |
| 14:16.04 | TromBoeZoe | not hard, to heavy |
| 14:16.10 | binary010 | Nyle: there is no package name auditd for etch |
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| 14:16.20 | xuser | kk |
| 14:16.26 | TromBoeZoe | i use mplayer-no-gui |
| 14:16.32 | TromBoeZoe | nogui |
| 14:16.40 | enouf | sordith: fwiw, "i hear that!" (i'm just not bothering trying to discuss it ;-)) |
| 14:16.42 | BadRobot | is Lenny the latest version of Debian? |
| 14:16.44 | Nyle | i like a gui every no n again |
| 14:16.49 | sordith | enouf: haha |
| 14:16.52 | Nyle | !stable |
| 14:16.52 | dpkg | stable is, like, the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r3), or ask me about <releases>. |
| 14:16.57 | BadRobot | which version of Gnome is it using? |
| 14:17.02 | enouf | cplay, aplay |
| 14:17.10 | Nyle | BadRobot: /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 14:17.31 | enouf | !tell binary010 -about backports |
| 14:17.35 | donald_ | i think Lenny is on 2.20.2 |
| 14:17.44 | BadRobot | no,i am not using debian now,i'm using Linux Mint and Dreamlinux 3 |
| 14:17.45 | Nyle | 2.6.22 |
| 14:17.56 | BadRobot | ok |
| 14:18.01 | enouf | binary010: /msg dpkg ssb (in case backports has nothing avail for that) |
| 14:18.22 | Nyle | !ssb |
| 14:18.22 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 14:18.37 | Nyle | nice |
| 14:18.40 | Nyle | less typing |
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| 14:18.44 | enouf | yeah, other way was too much typing ;-) |
| 14:19.04 | TromBoeZoe | I am looking for an alternative to the Gimp, because the Gimp doesnt run that well on my 128MB RAM Laptop |
| 14:19.14 | enouf | ruh roh rhaggy, like minds? or like bongs :-P |
| 14:19.33 | Nyle | enouf: you like scooby doo? |
| 14:19.33 | BadRobot | inkscape? |
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| 14:19.42 | BadRobot | TromBoeZoe |
| 14:19.47 | enouf | Nyle: you like thelma ? O_o |
| 14:19.50 | BadRobot | InfarView |
| 14:19.57 | Nyle | enouf: I always wanted to bone the redhead on scooby doo since I could have those thoughts |
| 14:20.02 | BadRobot | any others |
| 14:20.04 | Nyle | daphne |
| 14:20.05 | TromBoeZoe | ok, i'll check them out thanx ;D |
| 14:20.19 | Nyle | daphene i ithink |
| 14:20.28 | enouf | BadRobot: irfanview? |
| 14:20.39 | Nyle | its made some israeli guy named irfan |
| 14:20.43 | Nyle | its a image viewer |
| 14:20.48 | BadRobot | yep,but maybe you need to use it under WineHQ |
| 14:20.53 | enouf | i know what i mean ;-) |
| 14:20.54 | Nyle | better known as the windowx xp 'pornview' |
| 14:21.01 | Nyle | !info pornview |
| 14:21.04 | donald_ | TromBoeZoe: i use gthumb for simple edits |
| 14:21.05 | dpkg | pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 229 kB, Installed size: 664 kB |
| 14:21.09 | Nyle | heh |
| 14:21.13 | Nyle | this i can't get over |
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| 14:21.18 | simonrvn | TromBoeZoe: don't run gnome on 128 mb ram ;) |
| 14:21.24 | Nyle | something actually called |
| 14:21.26 | enouf | heh |
| 14:21.27 | binary010 | enouf: thanx |
| 14:21.27 | Nyle | 'porn' view |
| 14:21.28 | BadRobot | oh,yep,Gthumb it's also very good |
| 14:21.33 | enouf | no prob |
| 14:21.39 | Nyle | acdsee clone in gtk |
| 14:21.42 | donald_ | would KDE run better on 128MB ram? |
| 14:21.45 | Nyle | thas a nice good ol one |
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| 14:21.48 | enouf | simonrvn: nor any DE ;-) |
| 14:21.48 | Nyle | donald_: no |
| 14:21.54 | enouf | donald_: no |
| 14:21.55 | cryndes | lol pornview nice name |
| 14:22.00 | BadRobot | You can run E16 or E17 very well on 128mb |
| 14:22.03 | Nyle | donald_: you need xfce or a box wm or something else |
| 14:22.08 | donald_ | does KDE run faster than GNOME on same hardware? |
| 14:22.13 | Nyle | donald_: for gimp replacement, nope |
| 14:22.19 | Nyle | donald_: won't find much |
| 14:22.21 | enouf | too subjective |
| 14:22.21 | TromBoeZoe | i dont run gnome |
| 14:22.25 | BadRobot | like Elive or gOS 2 |
| 14:22.29 | simonrvn | donald_: no it wouldn't |
| 14:22.39 | BadRobot | they run very well on a 128mb |
| 14:22.41 | TromBoeZoe | fluxbox |
| 14:22.46 | enouf | fluxbox or something |
| 14:22.47 | donald_ | used to hate KDE but it's starting to look nice |
| 14:22.50 | Nyle | well |
| 14:22.50 | craigevil | gOS is a pos |
| 14:22.54 | enouf | *box |
| 14:22.56 | BadRobot | fluxbox sucks |
| 14:23.00 | BadRobot | like xfce |
| 14:23.04 | simonrvn | i usually run openbox + gnome-panel, or xfce on 256 mb ram |
| 14:23.07 | craigevil | icewm+rox is nice |
| 14:23.10 | BadRobot | try Elive |
| 14:23.12 | enouf | !start a WM war |
| 14:23.12 | dpkg | olwm bites! |
| 14:23.23 | BadRobot | it's a debian sid/lenny based |
| 14:23.24 | enouf | dpkg: lame |
| 14:23.24 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:23.29 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 14:23.32 | Nyle | I ran Open office, KDE, azeurus, firefox, limewire, amarok, many windows and terminals open. ALL on 128mb ram and 866mhz p3 |
| 14:23.33 | cryndes | gnome rules |
| 14:23.33 | jelly | pwnd |
| 14:23.36 | Nyle | so |
| 14:23.40 | enouf | that was lame dpkg :-P |
| 14:23.41 | Nyle | if I can do it |
| 14:23.43 | Nyle | so can you |
| 14:23.46 | donald_ | not here to start any wars. just waiting till lenny is good enough to run on this X61 |
| 14:23.57 | Nyle | but you will have to wait about 20 seconds before the window you clicked on pops up in front |
| 14:24.00 | Nyle | ;) |
| 14:24.02 | simonrvn | Nyle: and slow as hell, right? |
| 14:24.06 | enouf | Nyle: haha |
| 14:24.10 | BadRobot | http://www.elivecd.org/ |
| 14:24.16 | Nyle | like june bugs in molasses |
| 14:24.20 | Nyle | and its pretty think molasses too |
| 14:24.25 | Nyle | thick* |
| 14:24.26 | jelly | donald_: what's wrong with an X61? |
| 14:24.31 | enouf | donald_: what CPU is that? |
| 14:24.46 | BadRobot | Elive, or Enlightenment live CD, is a Debian-based desktop Linux distribution and live CD featuring the Enlightenment window manager. Besides being pre-configured and ready for daily desktop use, it also includes "Elpanel" - a control centre for easy system and desktop administration. |
| 14:24.53 | donald_ | enouf: centrino duo |
| 14:25.05 | enouf | donald_: ... |
| 14:25.08 | craigevil | !debian-based |
| 14:25.08 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 14:25.18 | enouf | donald_: centrino is a buzzword |
| 14:25.21 | donald_ | jelly: some quirks i couldnt fix on screen brightness control and hibernate |
| 14:25.24 | cryndes | did u guys here lol microsoft developed a opensource os lol |
| 14:25.28 | ph|ber | what package is gtk in?? |
| 14:25.28 | Nyle | centrino means a combination of 3 things |
| 14:25.31 | enouf | donald_: and 128MB ram on a core2duo? |
| 14:25.32 | donald_ | enouf: Core 2 duo |
| 14:25.32 | ph|ber | i cant seem to find it. |
| 14:25.32 | Nyle | is a name/hype |
| 14:25.34 | Nyle | thats all |
| 14:25.34 | enouf | lma |
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| 14:25.45 | jelly | donald_: thinkwiki.org has no help on the brightness issues? |
| 14:25.45 | craigevil | yeah is MSSuSe |
| 14:25.46 | donald_ | enouf: nah.. 128MB is another laptop i have |
| 14:25.46 | Nyle | notebook + wireless + intel chip == centrino |
| 14:25.47 | Nyle | thats all |
| 14:25.49 | enouf | thats' .. er ... impossible |
| 14:25.57 | cryndes | called singularity |
| 14:25.57 | simonrvn | that's not slow... try 500 mhz (really 667 because of the stupid mobo) |
| 14:25.57 | SerajewelKS | cryndes: ok? we care why? |
| 14:25.58 | cryndes | hehehe |
| 14:26.01 | enouf | well wtf are we talking about? |
| 14:26.05 | Nyle | cryndes: what? |
| 14:26.11 | cryndes | im bored ;) |
| 14:26.15 | simonrvn | lagging again... |
| 14:26.15 | Nyle | I like a singularity |
| 14:26.19 | cryndes | wanna talk with someone hehe |
| 14:26.24 | craigevil | nah singularity is a game |
| 14:26.24 | Nyle | its like |
| 14:26.34 | donald_ | jelly: i saw one post about using xrandr to switch controls but still thinking if i should wipe out ubuntu and put Debian on it |
| 14:26.35 | Nyle | 0 volume |
| 14:26.37 | Nyle | infinite mass |
| 14:26.37 | jelly | donald_: fwiw, brightness has been acting funny on my Z60m with anything newer than xorg 7.1 |
| 14:26.39 | Nyle | see |
| 14:26.39 | SerajewelKS | cryndes: singularity is shared source, not open source |
| 14:26.40 | cryndes | .net opensource os from microsoft called singularity |
| 14:26.40 | cryndes | hehe |
| 14:26.42 | Nyle | thats fuckin cool man |
| 14:26.43 | BadRobot | my laptop is a 384 mb and runs very well most of debian based distro |
| 14:26.47 | stew | cryndes: wrong channel |
| 14:26.51 | cryndes | hehe |
| 14:26.58 | BadRobot | singularity sucks |
| 14:27.00 | SerajewelKS | cryndes: go do some research on shared source, and talk about it in a channel where it's on topic |
| 14:27.00 | cryndes | stew: know; thanks |
| 14:27.06 | Nyle | you can say astonomy b |
| 14:27.08 | Nyle | but |
| 14:27.08 | craigevil | singularity - game where one becomes the singularity |
| 14:27.14 | Nyle | if you discuss MS os you will be told to get the fuck |
| 14:27.15 | BadRobot | i rather try Darwin from Apple |
| 14:27.16 | Nyle | I think |
| 14:27.25 | stew | BadRobot: please keep it on-topic |
| 14:27.31 | donald_ | jelly: i also cant decide if i should go with lenny or sid |
| 14:27.37 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: because it's off-topic |
| 14:27.38 | stew | donald_: you don't want sid |
| 14:27.50 | simonrvn | stew! |
| 14:27.51 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: yes I know |
| 14:27.59 | donald_ | stew: why not? it doesn't break that often does it? |
| 14:27.59 | stew | simonrvn: howdy |
| 14:27.59 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: what did you think I said? |
| 14:28.03 | BadRobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.05 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: mornin' |
| 14:28.09 | ph|ber | anyone?? |
| 14:28.09 | simonrvn | @wb stew |
| 14:28.10 | Nyle | stew: you too |
| 14:28.11 | ravenbird | Welcome back stew, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chutney. |
| 14:28.14 | jelly | donald_: if you don't plan on being very active with fixing bugs in Debian and having stuff broken half the time, sid is not for you |
| 14:28.15 | stew | donald_: it does break. and if you aren't sure you definately don't want it |
| 14:28.23 | simonrvn | stew: how you been? |
| 14:28.24 | Nyle | haha chutney |
| 14:28.28 | craigevil | donald_: no but when it does you need to know how to fix things, especially when you lose X and only have a terminal |
| 14:28.31 | cryndes | SerajewelKS: its opensource too ;) |
| 14:28.32 | stew | BadRobot: keep it on topic |
| 14:28.37 | BadRobot | ok |
| 14:28.38 | cryndes | SerajewelKS: but anyway wrong channel hehehe |
| 14:28.39 | BadRobot | sorry |
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| 14:28.50 | SerajewelKS | *plonk* |
| 14:28.53 | donald_ | stew: i have sid running on a P4 laptop and it works fine. i havent seen serious breakage yet |
| 14:29.06 | Nyle | it could happen |
| 14:29.13 | cryndes | SerajewelKS: u can view the source code but cant do nothing with |
| 14:29.13 | BadRobot | will be there a firefox 3 version of Iceweasel? |
| 14:29.20 | azeem | sure |
| 14:29.22 | Nyle | BadRobot: of course |
| 14:29.25 | craigevil | xorg update and a couple things in kde have broken this past yr |
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| 14:29.36 | stew | simonrvn: well, but very busy |
| 14:29.43 | craigevil | nothing half as bad , as when sarge was released |
| 14:29.44 | cryndes | do u guys know why debian call firefox iceweasel? heheh |
| 14:29.54 | azeem | !iceweasel |
| 14:29.54 | SerajewelKS | !tell cryndes about iceweasel |
| 14:29.54 | dpkg | methinks iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 14:30.02 | BadRobot | because of some gnu and gpl issues |
| 14:30.07 | azeem | no |
| 14:30.10 | Maulkin | BadRobot: no |
| 14:30.12 | SerajewelKS | BadRobot: because of trademark issues |
| 14:30.13 | stew | BadRobot: nothing to do with gnu or gpl |
| 14:30.14 | Nyle | !why iceweasel |
| 14:30.15 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 14:30.15 | donald_ | how is the iwl3945 on lenny? |
| 14:30.20 | themill | @wb stew |
| 14:30.21 | ravenbird | Welcome back stew, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 14:30.26 | themill | long time no see |
| 14:30.31 | SerajewelKS | when did thursday = sunday here |
| 14:30.37 | simonrvn | stew: ok. glad you're alright |
| 14:30.42 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: twilight zone |
| 14:30.43 | themill | donald_: works well. /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 14:30.58 | Nyle | simonrvn: I was never worried |
| 14:31.01 | donald_ | themill: LED blinks? |
| 14:31.25 | Nyle | simonrvn: I figured that the little woman keeps im locked up in the basement |
| 14:31.35 | Nyle | hehe |
| 14:31.40 | simonrvn | Nyle: heh |
| 14:31.47 | stew | its amazing i could stay away from all this for so long |
| 14:31.48 | themill | donald_: can you expand on that for me? (you, know, subject, verb, object... the usual things that help me work out what you're on about :) |
| 14:32.01 | themill | stew: why on earth did you come back??? ;) |
| 14:32.04 | Nyle | stew: i know man, that was a while |
| 14:32.15 | stew | themill: i needed to know the name of a package yesterday :) |
| 14:32.20 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 14:32.24 | themill | heh |
| 14:32.30 | BadRobot | what about flock web browser? |
| 14:32.38 | donald_ | themill: aye,, too many things going on in parallel. i was wondering if the wifi LED works with iwl3945 on lenny |
| 14:32.40 | craigevil | flosk isnt in debian repos |
| 14:32.42 | Nyle | BadRobot: do you have a debian related question? |
| 14:32.43 | BadRobot | does anyone uses it? |
| 14:32.47 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 14:32.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:32.56 | Nyle | BadRobot: do you have a debian related question? |
| 14:32.59 | BadRobot | yes i do |
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| 14:33.09 | Nyle | Please ask it and don't beat off around the bush |
| 14:33.19 | simonrvn | why doesn't debian have ____???!!?!?!?! :P |
| 14:33.22 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: O_o |
| 14:33.28 | Nyle | oh minus off |
| 14:33.29 | BadRobot | sorry,am i bodering you ?Nyle |
| 14:33.30 | Nyle | sorry sorry guys |
| 14:33.31 | Nyle | sorry |
| 14:33.35 | Nyle | typo/brain fart |
| 14:33.36 | themill | donald_: yeah, works nicely. iirc it blinks slowly when not associated, quickly when data xfer and is steady when associated but idle. |
| 14:33.40 | simonrvn | Nyle: wot? |
| 14:33.47 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: haha, no, it was funny :) |
| 14:33.48 | Nyle | 'beat off' instead of 'beat' |
| 14:33.49 | Nyle | heh |
| 14:33.51 | Nyle | oops |
| 14:34.08 | donald_ | themill: great.. i'll get the latest netinst for lenny now |
| 14:34.12 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: though one would argue that doing so could be mean |
| 14:34.20 | Nyle | HAHAHAHA |
| 14:34.21 | BadRobot | why are debian packages so old and behind many other distros? |
| 14:34.32 | BadRobot | like sid using gnome 2.18 |
| 14:34.33 | Nyle | BadRobot: simonrvn was right |
| 14:34.35 | cryndes | BadRobot: use sid ;) |
| 14:34.41 | themill | BadRobot: please troll elsewhere |
| 14:34.52 | Jemt | Is is possible to get the cycle count (Wear Leveling) for a Compact Flash Card? I would like to know the number of cycles it has gone through so I can replace it in time |
| 14:34.53 | Nyle | thats borderline trolling |
| 14:34.56 | SerajewelKS | BadRobot: sid has 2.20 |
| 14:34.56 | Nyle | not full yet |
| 14:34.58 | craigevil | BadRobot: they arent most packages in sid are newer than other distros especially ubuntu |
| 14:34.59 | themill | BadRobot: and get your facts right before you troll. |
| 14:35.05 | simonrvn | Nyle: pretty obvious troll ;) |
| 14:35.10 | ph|ber | what package has gtk-config for the gtk2? i tried the libgtk2-dev no go.. |
| 14:35.17 | abrotman | !tell ph|ber about search |
| 14:35.18 | Nyle | simonrvn: I try to assume good faith mostly |
| 14:35.20 | xsdg | ph|ber: err... are you sure? |
| 14:35.30 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: you edit WP? |
| 14:35.33 | xsdg | ph|ber: oh, duh |
| 14:35.35 | abrotman | !find gtk-config etch |
| 14:35.37 | xsdg | ph|ber: use pkg-config |
| 14:35.38 | Nyle | wp? |
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| 14:35.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk-config' (4 of 5): (/usr/bin/gtk-config) in oldlibs/libgtk1.2-dev ;; (/usr/share/pida/icons/gtk-configure.svg) in devel/pida ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtk1.2-doc/gtk-config.txt.gz) in oldlibs/libgtk1.2-doc ;; (/usr/share/icons/gartoon/scalable/stock/gtk-configure.svg) in gnome/gnome-icon-theme-gartoon. |
| 14:35.43 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: I'm sorry? |
| 14:35.53 | ph|ber | im compiling something and its looking for gtk+2 |
| 14:35.57 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF> |
| 14:36.03 | simonrvn | Nyle: i do usually, but i can smell them from far away |
| 14:36.08 | ph|ber | that would be gtk-1 |
| 14:36.11 | ph|ber | not 2 |
| 14:36.21 | Nyle | simonrvn: ye me too man, I can smell cops a mile away thats why I never been busted |
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| 14:36.28 | Nyle | simonrvn: they smell like coffee and donuts |
| 14:36.34 | xsdg | $pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 |
| 14:36.35 | xsdg | -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/ |
| 14:36.38 | xsdg | (...) |
| 14:36.43 | simonrvn | mostly yeast ;p |
| 14:36.49 | simonrvn | and bacon |
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| 14:36.59 | Nyle | im gonna go clean up my house and good some eggs |
| 14:37.04 | ph|ber | configure: error: GTK+-2.12 is required to compile gtk-engines |
| 14:37.06 | Nyle | cook* later tater |
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| 14:37.07 | xsdg | ph|ber: most (name)-config programs have converted to just `pkg-config --what_you_want (name)` |
| 14:37.07 | SerajewelKS | ph|ber: libgtk2.0-dev |
| 14:37.14 | ph|ber | i have that installed. |
| 14:37.23 | SerajewelKS | ph|ber: then you are screwing up somewhere else :) |
| 14:37.27 | ph|ber | libgtk2.0-dev is already the newest version. |
| 14:37.29 | xsdg | ph|ber: what version? |
| 14:37.30 | ph|ber | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.30 | ph|ber | slop:~# |
| 14:37.32 | SerajewelKS | ph|ber: exact error messages would be helpful |
| 14:37.38 | donald_ | bye guys |
| 14:37.39 | xsdg | ph|ber: are you looking at what I'm saying? |
| 14:37.40 | SerajewelKS | ph|ber: gtk-config is for 1.2, not 2.0 |
| 14:37.43 | ph|ber | that was the erro msg. |
| 14:37.52 | PrezeS | alfanick, #debian-pl |
| 14:37.55 | ph|ber | hrm. |
| 14:38.05 | SerajewelKS | ph|ber: you want to use PKG-config (no caps, for emphasis only) |
| 14:38.09 | ph|ber | then why is this prog looking for it.. for gtk+-2.12 |
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| 14:38.20 | xsdg | ph|ber: what version of gtk+ do you have installed? |
| 14:38.35 | YAPDog | Is it possible to do an install without ipv6 support being enabled? |
| 14:38.35 | xsdg | ph|ber: `dpkg -l libgtk2.0-dev` |
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| 14:38.45 | YAPDog | I don't want to have to nuke it after install |
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| 14:39.03 | SerajewelKS | ph|ber: what program? |
| 14:39.09 | SerajewelKS | ph|ber: like i said, error messages would be helpful |
| 14:39.12 | ph|ber | gtk-enginesxl_cheese |
| 14:39.17 | ph|ber | a theme for gtk2 |
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| 14:39.27 | chilly | yo guys i have a problem i need to make espicific areas for every person , like 200 mb , so i use quotas, but is there any way adding a command that makes the quota max to 200 md for every person to use in a bash script?? i tried webmin but with that i need to do that user by user ... and to do that for 800 users ........ ahm . |
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| 14:40.05 | xsdg | chilly: how do you do it for one person? |
| 14:40.08 | jelly | chilly: edquota |
| 14:40.28 | chilly | yes but that doesnt define its arear to 200 mb |
| 14:40.29 | lazyfrosch | chilly: what about setquota? |
| 14:40.34 | xsdg | ph|ber: what version of gtk-2.0 do you have installed? |
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| 14:41.01 | jelly | chilly: set up one user, then use edquota to set the others like that one. |
| 14:41.21 | amol | hi to all i am trying to install windows as guest OS in debian using xen ..but i am getting error as FATAL:could not read boot disk |
| 14:41.27 | ph|ber | xsdg: how do i tell? |
| 14:41.34 | ph|ber | there is no gtk-config to run a version from |
| 14:41.35 | xsdg | ph|ber: `dpkg -l libgtk2.0-dev` |
| 14:41.36 | chilly | how exactly do i do that ?? or can you point me to the right direction |
| 14:41.46 | ph|ber | ii libgtk2.0-dev 2.8.20-7 |
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| 14:41.54 | lazyfrosch | jelly: i think setquota will fit better for this job |
| 14:41.55 | xsdg | ph|ber: "well, there's your problem right there..." |
| 14:42.24 | Nyle | simonrvn: msg |
| 14:42.45 | jelly | lazyfrosch: well, whatever works |
| 14:43.01 | ph|ber | hrm.. is there a debian package for 2.10? |
| 14:43.01 | chilly | for set quota , |
| 14:43.17 | lazyfrosch | jelly: setquota has a batchmode (from stdin) |
| 14:43.17 | chilly | us it possible to do everybody at the same time |
| 14:43.22 | chilly | or person to person |
| 14:43.32 | chilly | hmm |
| 14:43.36 | chilly | thats a point |
| 14:43.39 | lazyfrosch | chilly: well a little bit bash scripting would do your job |
| 14:43.40 | xsdg | ph|ber: for 2.12, you mean? yes, but clearly not in the branch that you're using. If you're using etch, see if there's something on backports.org |
| 14:43.47 | gynterk | can dhcpd host {} be added into subnet {} ? |
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| 14:43.53 | chilly | oooh no ... not more scipting |
| 14:43.54 | jelly | chilly: one command at a time, and then do a loop over all the normal users with your favorite script language |
| 14:44.00 | ph|ber | xsdg: yeah . sorry 2.12 |
| 14:44.14 | chilly | and that with what command |
| 14:44.15 | ph|ber | and i have backports in my sources. |
| 14:44.27 | chilly | edquota ?? |
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| 14:44.51 | lazyfrosch | chilly: query me :-) |
| 14:44.57 | chilly | what ?? |
| 14:45.10 | xsdg | dpkg: info libgtk2.0-dev testing |
| 14:45.15 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-dev: (Development files for the GTK+ library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.12.5-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 2708 kB, Installed size: 9268 kB |
| 14:45.16 | jelly | chilly: if you have a set up template, edquota will do. If not, you acn set up one user, or all of them, with separate setquota commands |
| 14:45.50 | Sheogorath | Naischa_away <3 ! |
| 14:45.59 | xsdg | ph|ber: so, the right version is in testing. You could try grabbing that (for instance, from packages.debian.org) and building it, though it likely has a lot of prereqs |
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| 14:46.12 | donald_ | on my X61 laptop, would there be any benefits to running am64 instead of i386? |
| 14:46.22 | xsdg | ph|ber: alternately, depending on how often you're going to need more recent software, you might just consider upgrading to testing |
| 14:46.42 | jelly | donald_: is being able to run amd64 apps a benefit? |
| 14:46.45 | xsdg | donald_: you would likely find more disadvantages than benefits, unless you'll be doing scientific computing or stuff like that |
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| 14:47.33 | xsdg | !tell ph|ber about etch->lenny |
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| 14:47.58 | donald_ | ok. i just figured an amd64 kernel would use the hardware better |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | you can use the -amd64 kernel with a 32bit userland |
| 14:48.52 | chilly | ok wait ... im not such a debian scripting guy .... i know how to make a 200 mb limmit for 1 guy , how do i do it so that another person has the same area |
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| 14:49.43 | lazyfrosch | chilly: all you'll need is a textfile which contains all users... |
| 14:49.48 | donald_ | abrotman: i heard abt that. any caveats esp if i may compile some modules sometimes? |
| 14:49.54 | chilly | i have that |
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| 14:50.17 | donald_ | well.. i guess i could install amd64 and i386 kernel and boot between them to see right? |
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| 14:51.07 | lazyfrosch | chilly: ok, just a moment |
| 14:51.08 | chilly | ok |
| 14:51.08 | abrotman | donald_: not that i'm aware of |
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| 14:53.26 | amol | hi to all i am trying to install windows as guest OS in debian using xen ..but i am getting error as FATAL:could not read boot disk |
| 14:53.45 | lazyfrosch | chilly: this should work: for user in `cat userlist.txt`; do setquota -u $user 204800 204800 0 0 /; done |
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| 14:54.17 | lazyfrosch | chilly: if you want to set the quota for an filesystem other than / you'll have to change / to the mountpoint of that fs |
| 14:54.19 | chilly | what is the 204800?? |
| 14:54.24 | lazyfrosch | 200MB |
| 14:54.50 | lazyfrosch | chilly: the quota is set in KB (KiloByte) |
| 14:55.08 | lazyfrosch | chilly: so 200 MB = 200MB * 1024 = 204800 KB |
| 14:55.14 | jelly | 200MiB to the more precise |
| 14:55.23 | lazyfrosch | jelly: yeah ;-) |
| 14:55.34 | chilly | the for user in 'car userlist.txt' the user is like every username that is there right ..... yeah it is .,.. i have the some in my script |
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| 14:56.54 | chilly | though i use a while |
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| 14:57.34 | chilly | ah and now that im here |
| 14:57.49 | lazyfrosch | chilly: userlist.txt is just a file with each systemuser u want to change in a single line |
| 14:57.57 | chilly | i have in my script to make users with a password the pc makes , with the command makepasswd |
| 14:58.00 | chilly | though |
| 14:59.07 | chilly | i putted makepasswd --chars 5 ..... |
| 14:59.28 | chilly | well i putted pass = 'makespasswd --chars 5' |
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| 14:59.38 | donald_ | so if i have 4GB of RAM installed, can i still stick with i386 or should i be using amd64? |
| 14:59.42 | chilly | but it says that --chars isnt valid |
| 15:00.20 | Eulex | donald_, you can stick with i386, but you will not be able to use all of the ram |
| 15:01.05 | donald_ | in that case, i better install amd64 since i do intend to upgrade to 4GB |
| 15:01.31 | tarzeau | donald_: you won't need java/flash/acrobatreader in the browser? |
| 15:01.33 | \amethyst | donald_: i386 supports up to 64GB if you use a -bigmem kernel |
| 15:01.34 | Nyle | tarzeau: hi |
| 15:01.39 | tarzeau | hi Nyle |
| 15:01.44 | Nyle | How are you? |
| 15:01.57 | Nyle | gaming lately? |
| 15:01.58 | tarzeau | Nyle: fine, trying to build condor |
| 15:02.03 | Nyle | condor eh |
| 15:02.05 | Eulex | donald_, ah right, you won't be able to use 4gb per processm that is |
| 15:02.10 | lazyfrosch | chilly: works on my installation... |
| 15:02.12 | tarzeau | Nyle: yeah i got to the dungeon level 7 of powder: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/powder/ |
| 15:02.19 | Nyle | powder oh my god |
| 15:02.21 | Nyle | thats old |
| 15:02.26 | tarzeau | Nyle: the condor wisconsin software yeah |
| 15:02.27 | chilly | -.- god dmit , letme review if i wrote it well |
| 15:02.34 | tarzeau | Nyle: you know it? |
| 15:02.35 | Eulex | the kernel will do it, though. |
| 15:02.48 | Nyle | tarzeau: sort of |
| 15:02.51 | Nyle | through my cousins |
| 15:03.02 | donald_ | dont think i will need 4GB per process.. so it's back to i386 then |
| 15:03.38 | tarzeau | Nyle: are we talking the very same powder? have you ascended? |
| 15:03.58 | tarzeau | donald_: our people do :) and the 64bit kernel runs some things a lot faster |
| 15:04.06 | Nyle | tarzeau: text based dungeon crawler yeah |
| 15:04.17 | Nyle | tarzeau: old school from c64 |
| 15:04.21 | tarzeau | Nyle: no it's the graphical one for the portable computers |
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| 15:04.26 | Nyle | iirc I was only 4 or 5 I can't recall |
| 15:04.26 | tarzeau | Nyle: it's only 5 years old |
| 15:04.31 | Nyle | its graphical now? |
| 15:04.41 | Nyle | well I played a game caleld powder on my very first computer |
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| 15:04.47 | Nyle | it was a text based adventure game |
| 15:04.57 | Nyle | my first gui game was The Last Ninja |
| 15:05.04 | Nyle | or graphical |
| 15:05.08 | tarzeau | Nyle: http://www.zincland.com/powder/ |
| 15:05.30 | tarzeau | not too shabby or easy. much like nethack |
| 15:05.37 | Nyle | yeh i see that |
| 15:05.44 | Nyle | i think its based on what c64 had |
| 15:05.45 | donald_ | thanks for the info guys |
| 15:05.50 | Nyle | I am positive |
| 15:06.01 | Nyle | same name though |
| 15:06.12 | Nyle | I dunno if its inspired by powder! |
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| 15:06.47 | Nyle | nice though, I like the SS |
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| 15:08.39 | Nyle | tarzeau: did you hear, jess left doomsday engine, forked his own |
| 15:09.03 | Nyle | to make it fully gpl there are 3 source files untouched that remain under raven EULA |
| 15:09.23 | Nyle | and frankly we need help re writing the code from scratch, if you want to help if you like doom |
| 15:09.29 | xuser | where are codecs installed on debian? |
| 15:09.30 | Nyle | and own a 3d card ;) |
| 15:10.03 | Nyle | in /usr/lib/codecs |
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| 15:11.24 | xuser | yeah, I look there but that dir doesn't exists. |
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| 15:12.25 | gynterk | I cant' fins SYSLOG="" anymore in /etc/init.d/syslogd |
| 15:12.29 | gynterk | etch |
| 15:12.34 | gynterk | where I should add -r now ? |
| 15:12.39 | Nyle | xuser: btw, w32codecs installs there |
| 15:12.41 | gynterk | SYSLOGD="" i mean |
| 15:12.47 | Nyle | afa other packages go, I have no idea |
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| 15:13.25 | xuser | Nyle: yeah, was wondering cause I haven't install w32codecs but I can play .wmv/wma files |
| 15:13.33 | chilly69 | the command that i use = " pass='makepasswd --chars 5' " is doing weird ... it defines in stead of make a new password , what i mean to say is that pass = the sentence makepasswd --char 5 ...... you getting this ??? |
| 15:13.37 | xuser | is there a free replacement? |
| 15:13.41 | Nyle | xuser: vlc has em build in |
| 15:13.48 | Nyle | xine uses ffmpeg which can decode em |
| 15:14.01 | Nyle | w32codecs is use by mplayer |
| 15:14.09 | Nyle | installedin /usr/lib/codecs |
| 15:14.25 | Nyle | however, you can try to see the files in libxine1-ffmpeg folder |
| 15:14.27 | abrotman | gstreamer maybe |
| 15:14.32 | Nyle | or that |
| 15:14.36 | gynterk | ah found |
| 15:14.43 | gynterk | it's in /etc/default/syslogd |
| 15:14.53 | Nyle | s/folder/package |
| 15:14.53 | chilly69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.08 | Nyle | chilly69: dogs. no idea |
| 15:16.51 | xuser | yeah must be gstreamer letting me play windows codecs |
| 15:17.27 | chilly69 | like instead of pass = a password that is beeng created by makspasswd, it actuall is actuall makpasswd --chars 5 for example if i want to show what it has generated on screen , it wont show me a generated password but it will show me the sentence "makepasswd --chars 5 |
| 15:17.29 | chilly69 | like instead of pass = a password that is beeng created by makspasswd, it actuall is actuall makpasswd --chars 5 for example if i want to show what it has generated on screen , it wont show me a generated password but it will show me the sentence "makepasswd --chars 52 |
| 15:17.34 | chilly69 | like instead of pass = a password that is beeng created by makspasswd, it actuall is actuall makpasswd --chars 5 for example if i want to show what it has generated on screen , it wont show me a generated password but it will show me the sentence "makepasswd --chars 52" |
| 15:17.37 | chilly69 | sorr |
| 15:17.42 | chilly69 | enter got stuck |
| 15:17.59 | jelly | ?paste error... needs more sauce |
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| 15:20.01 | BerMeJo | anyone know how can i change spellchecker in iceweasel¿? |
| 15:20.13 | chilly69 | ... anybody ??? |
| 15:20.21 | chilly69 | lazyfrosch?? |
| 15:20.24 | gynterk | is it good idea to replace klogd and syslogd with syslog-ng ? |
| 15:20.34 | gynterk | sysklogd * |
| 15:21.20 | BerMeJo | i need change language of spellchecker in iceweasel |
| 15:22.53 | Slap_Stick | hey, is anyone familiar with dns glue, i understand the principle i.e. the authorative named server for sub.domain.net might be ns1.sub.domain.net so you would add th eglue by defining ns1.sub.domain.net in domain.net however what about domain.net itself, what if the authorative for domain.net is ns1.domain.net ? |
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| 15:23.03 | chilly69 | comon guys ..... help me out here |
| 15:23.11 | chilly69 | its my last problem |
| 15:24.23 | SerajewelKS | chilly69: context? where is this command written? |
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| 15:25.13 | chilly69 | hang on .... im going to make a screenshot of it and put it online , on moment |
| 15:25.40 | sordith | ah, my Freenode is working again! |
| 15:25.52 | SerajewelKS | sordith: who says it's yours? :P |
| 15:26.06 | sordith | SerajewelKS: you have your own :-p |
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| 15:26.33 | sordith | my Google still refuses to talk to me |
| 15:26.40 | MolePrince | Howdy. I'm looking to get a pcmcia wifi card for a laptop. Is there a particularly good/compatible one to look for please? |
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| 15:28.36 | stew | Slap_Stick: glue doesn't have anything to do with the authoritative nameserver, but the registrar. if the registrar is providing glue then it doesn't just say "the nameserver for domain.com is ns1.someotherdomain.com" but also says "and the ip address of ns1.someothercomain.com is 1.2.3.4" |
| 15:28.42 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: his node is probably free |
| 15:29.05 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: that's what she said |
| 15:29.14 | Nyle | lol |
| 15:29.23 | Nyle | naughty boy |
| 15:29.26 | piju | hello, how can i view all installed pkg on debian ? and show the number installed apps ? |
| 15:29.30 | sordith | MolePrince: have a look if this wiki article helps you: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi?highlight=%28wifi%29 |
| 15:29.32 | piju | dpkg - l ? |
| 15:29.45 | Nyle | aptitude something ~i |
| 15:29.47 | stew | piju: aptitude search '~i' |
| 15:29.47 | Nyle | something or other |
| 15:29.53 | Nyle | ah there weo |
| 15:29.57 | Nyle | in fact |
| 15:30.00 | Nyle | !aptitude basics |
| 15:30.00 | dpkg | i heard aptitude basics is Learn to use aptitude at http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/index.html |
| 15:30.16 | piju | stew; no |
| 15:30.16 | MolePrince | sordith: Swell, thanks. |
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| 15:30.28 | piju | stew; i mean, how can i count all of the installed apps ? |
| 15:30.53 | Nyle | piju: count the # of files in /usr/bin and /bin and /sbin or w/e |
| 15:30.57 | sordith | piju: there is a neat tool called "wc" |
| 15:30.57 | Nyle | in the bin's |
| 15:31.01 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:31.04 | lunitik | piju: grep that through wc -l ? |
| 15:31.25 | tarzeau | Nyle: no idea, is that good or bad? |
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| 15:31.32 | piju | no no |
| 15:31.33 | Nyle | tarzeau: gppd |
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| 15:31.40 | piju | dpkg -l is to list all installed apps |
| 15:31.40 | dpkg | ii is to list all installed apps 1.8-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 15:31.41 | tarzeau | Nyle: i'm into www.sauerbraten.org |
| 15:31.50 | Nyle | tarzeau: that way the game will be actually free |
| 15:31.51 | piju | i want to count all the installed apps |
| 15:31.56 | Nyle | right now it is not labled correctly |
| 15:31.56 | tarzeau | Nyle: doom is a bit way back, isn't it? well wipeout 1 is the only game of that time that i still like |
| 15:32.00 | stew | piju: dpkg -l also lists packages which arent' installed |
| 15:32.01 | Nyle | it is distrubuted in the gpl |
| 15:32.02 | Nyle | BUT |
| 15:32.04 | Nyle | its NOT gpl |
| 15:32.06 | Roge | nice, service tech came out today to test the line. he moved my line to a closer hub i went from half a mb to 2.6 |
| 15:32.09 | Roge | 3.6* |
| 15:32.10 | Nyle | its been proven yet the people are fucking morons |
| 15:32.15 | lunitik | piju: dpkg -l | grep wc -l <-- minus 7 :/ |
| 15:32.17 | chilly69 | http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6549/semttuloii2.png |
| 15:32.21 | Nyle | so one of the upstream quit and forked it himself |
| 15:32.23 | sordith | Roge: nice |
| 15:32.29 | Nyle | trying to remove the non dfsg/glp parts |
| 15:32.38 | piju | selena:/home/piju# dpkg -l | grep wc -l |
| 15:32.39 | piju | (standard input) |
| 15:32.47 | amol | hi to all i am trying to install windows as guest OS in debian using xen ..but i am getting error as FATAL:could not read boot disk |
| 15:32.52 | Nyle | tarzeau: one day you will see how classic doom in 3d is still better than most of these new 3d games |
| 15:32.55 | piju | no, i want to know how many installed apps on my debian |
| 15:33.08 | Nyle | tarzeau: in debian I mean ;) |
| 15:33.13 | Nyle | one day it will be in debian |
| 15:33.13 | stew | piju: use aptitude search '~i' instead of dpkg -l |
| 15:33.21 | sordith | Nyle: these days we play Second Life :-p |
| 15:33.25 | Nyle | bah |
| 15:33.29 | Nyle | ya'll suck ;) |
| 15:33.34 | piju | stew; i dont want to search, i want to know how many installed apps |
| 15:33.48 | Nyle | piju: yes |
| 15:33.48 | Nyle | ffs |
| 15:33.56 | Nyle | use that to get a list of all the installed pacakges, run it through wc |
| 15:33.56 | chilly69 | serajewelks : http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6549/semttuloii2.png |
| 15:33.59 | Nyle | count the # of lines |
| 15:33.59 | stew | piju: "aptitude search ~i" lists installed packages |
| 15:34.01 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:34.15 | Nyle | if you want to count programs |
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| 15:34.21 | piju | stew; aptitude search '~i' <--- it listed all of installed, but how many ? |
| 15:34.23 | SerajewelKS | chilly69: you want to use `` there, not '' |
| 15:34.25 | Nyle | i told you go to /usr/bin or w/e bin and look at the # of files |
| 15:34.32 | stew | piju: "aptitude search '~i' | wc -l" |
| 15:34.34 | SerajewelKS | chilly69: '' means "literally this" -- `` means "run this and use the output" |
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| 15:34.56 | piju | stew; ok thanks |
| 15:34.59 | piju | thats what i want |
| 15:35.10 | lunitik | stew: He's right, for whatever reason, that just returns you to shell here... |
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| 15:35.31 | lunitik | nm... I guess I did something wrong... |
| 15:35.34 | Nyle | ? |
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| 15:35.36 | hark | lunitik: no grep :) |
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| 15:35.58 | lunitik | hark: No, no single quotes |
| 15:36.13 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:36.15 | lunitik | What are they called? --> ' |
| 15:36.22 | Nyle | apostrophe? |
| 15:36.22 | SerajewelKS | lunitik: apostrophe |
| 15:36.23 | sordith | we failed the LPI test! |
| 15:36.29 | chilly69 | i can make the ´ in the script it keeps comming with a strange A in front of it |
| 15:36.41 | SerajewelKS | chilly69: `, not ´ |
| 15:36.51 | SerajewelKS | chilly69: FOO=`somecommand` |
| 15:37.02 | chilly69 | aaah |
| 15:37.22 | SerajewelKS | chilly69: you don't need to use the "front tick" to close it -- this ain't word, no smart quotes here |
| 15:37.33 | sordith | somebody else having a Google who is not responding? |
| 15:37.41 | lunitik | Nyle: Why do you question everything with just "?" on lines? If you don't understand something, ask a question, or follow the conversation while someone else explains it |
| 15:38.01 | Nyle | lunitik: why don't you ignore me and stfu. |
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| 15:38.06 | Nyle | thats a much better idea imo. |
| 15:38.07 | piju | stew; dpkg -l | grep ii | wc -l <--- ive found this |
| 15:38.19 | petemc | sordith: try a different country code , google.co.uk , google.ie etc |
| 15:38.22 | SerajewelKS | play nice, children... |
| 15:38.33 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: IMO he has a valid point |
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| 15:38.42 | zamba | i have a box with two nics.. how can i combine them into one? |
| 15:38.47 | zamba | i guess i have to bridge them somehow? |
| 15:38.55 | zamba | create a new bridge interface and include eth0 and eth1? |
| 15:38.56 | sordith | petemc: gmail is also dead |
| 15:38.56 | JasonF | Hi all, I'm having some trouble getting tomcat5.5 working on a fresh etch installation. |
| 15:39.08 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: I don't really care. |
| 15:39.10 | stew | piju: that might not list all of the installed packages and might list some not installed.. "dpkg -l | grep ^.i" would be better, as would "aptitude search ~i" |
| 15:39.12 | SerajewelKS | !tell zamba about bridge setup |
| 15:39.27 | petemc | zamba: bonding |
| 15:39.33 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: nod, you have that right, but please be civil regardless if you listen |
| 15:39.41 | piju | stew; but the result is just the same |
| 15:39.46 | zamba | petemc: which is the same as SerajewelKS suggests, or? |
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| 15:39.53 | stew | piju: it wouldn't always be |
| 15:39.55 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: when was I not civil? |
| 15:40.01 | JasonF | Hi all, I'm having some trouble getting tomcat5.5 working on a fresh etch installation. I keep getting errors that the "subprocess exited". Apparently, the initscript for tomcat5.5 is failing in a fresh install. |
| 15:40.01 | petemc | zamba: no |
| 15:40.19 | zamba | what's basically the difference, then? |
| 15:40.35 | piju | stew; dpkg -l | grep ^.i <--- the result is just the same |
| 15:40.46 | petemc | sordith: works fine her |
| 15:40.57 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: telling someone to ignore you and stfu doesn't strike me as particularly civil |
| 15:41.12 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: then I am sorry for the way you percieve. |
| 15:41.33 | gan | i am creating the debian live cd , it is going upto mounting the filesystem then it got stop |
| 15:41.43 | lunitik | SerajewelKS: Let it die, guy hasn't liked me for a couple years now... holds a grudge on the internet... he's ignored. |
| 15:41.47 | JasonF | My problem looks related to: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401713 |
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| 15:41.52 | tarzeau | Nyle: have you played sauerbraten? |
| 15:42.03 | Nyle | tarzeau: yes I have :) |
| 15:42.20 | tarzeau | Nyle: inluding the new maps on quadropolis? the complex map is so fun in ffa mode |
| 15:42.21 | Nyle | tarzeau: I couldn't get into it much, but then again I never REALLY tried to play it |
| 15:42.21 | sordith | weird. i can resolve every host, just no google related ones |
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| 15:42.26 | tarzeau | Nyle: taj mahal map? |
| 15:42.31 | Nyle | oh no shit |
| 15:42.35 | tarzeau | Nyle: play it multiplayer, all the rest sucks |
| 15:42.36 | Nyle | nice i'll have to check it out |
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| 15:42.55 | chilly69 | alright!!!! thanks man |
| 15:42.55 | Nyle | lunitik: dude, just get the fuck off my dick already, will ya? |
| 15:42.58 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: *shrug* just a suggestion, not going to make a big deal out of it |
| 15:42.59 | Nyle | I'm sick of your shit |
| 15:43.02 | Nyle | godamn. |
| 15:43.05 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: sauer is awesome |
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| 15:43.10 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: you play? |
| 15:43.20 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: used to a lot, haven't much recently |
| 15:43.25 | SerajewelKS | got into wow :/ |
| 15:43.53 | Nyle | I don't hold any grudges by the way, just that everytime lunikit says something to me, its usually reprimanding me on something |
| 15:43.56 | Nyle | so fuck him |
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| 15:44.03 | Nyle | and im ignore, so let him know that, tyvm. |
| 15:44.11 | Nyle | keep this soap opera bullshit out of main too |
| 15:44.12 | Nyle | thanks |
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| 15:45.23 | Nyle | oh that is world of warcraft |
| 15:45.42 | Nyle | last WC i enjoyed was wc2, and I think it has a free clone |
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| 15:45.54 | Nyle | I beleive it is called freecraft I think |
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| 15:46.02 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: WC2 was one of the first computer games i played, iirc |
| 15:46.08 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: really? |
| 15:46.11 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: well one of the first decent ones |
| 15:46.16 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: you must be young |
| 15:46.22 | Nyle | a youngin' |
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| 15:46.28 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: pick some random collection of old DOS games, i've played half of them |
| 15:46.35 | Nyle | word |
| 15:46.38 | Nyle | nibbleS? |
| 15:46.43 | Nyle | gorilla? |
| 15:46.44 | SerajewelKS | yup |
| 15:46.47 | Nyle | ok |
| 15:46.56 | SerajewelKS | commander keen ftw |
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| 15:47.00 | Nyle | oh yes! |
| 15:47.11 | Nyle | and also not to forget |
| 15:47.15 | Nyle | duke nukem 1 and 2 |
| 15:47.22 | Nyle | platforms before the 3d edition |
| 15:47.26 | SerajewelKS | i only played 1 |
| 15:47.31 | Nyle | ooooh they kicked ass man |
| 15:47.36 | SerajewelKS | god we are OT again |
| 15:47.41 | sordith | haha |
| 15:47.49 | Nyle | yes, yes we are :) |
| 15:48.05 | SerajewelKS | simcity... |
| 15:48.22 | Nyle | ugh |
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| 15:48.31 | Nyle | can't enjoy games like that where I have to actually think |
| 15:48.33 | SerajewelKS | simcity is a million times harder than simcity 2000 |
| 15:48.37 | Nyle | I like pothead games |
| 15:48.45 | SerajewelKS | jazz jackrabbit? |
| 15:48.46 | tarzeau | Nyle: like doom? |
| 15:48.50 | Nyle | fighting games, fps, but I have no patience for games AT ALL |
| 15:48.59 | Nyle | I like Doom, Morrowind, Oblivion |
| 15:49.01 | Nyle | THAT IS ALL! |
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| 15:49.07 | tarzeau | Nyle: with hard puzzles, like getting the red key for the red locked door? and the blue and the yellow ones? |
| 15:49.25 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: so i take it you are not a huge myst fan :) |
| 15:49.27 | Nyle | seriously I can't play games anymore. It takes too much these days to actually get into a good game, too many controls and keys and too much shit to think bout and do |
| 15:49.34 | Nyle | I love me some MYST |
| 15:49.36 | Nyle | and Riven |
| 15:49.39 | Nyle | mmm |
| 15:49.47 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: that's surprising if you don't like to think |
| 15:49.48 | Nyle | broderbund kicks ass, them two brother made a badass game |
| 15:49.55 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: I wasn't always a pothead |
| 15:49.57 | Nyle | :/ |
| 15:50.14 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: i have beat myst, riven, and exile. stopped working on revelations some time ago, but i want to finish it and then do 5, whatever it's called. |
| 15:50.16 | Nyle | I think I did everything too fast too quick and too young and now I'm bored with life |
| 15:50.21 | Nyle | never played exile |
| 15:50.28 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: it's pretty good |
| 15:50.32 | Nyle | or anything past myst/riven |
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| 15:51.09 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: google "phun" |
| 15:51.14 | Nyle | ok |
| 15:51.18 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: it's not a game but it will amuze you for hours |
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| 15:51.26 | SerajewelKS | amuse too |
| 15:51.32 | Nyle | what? |
| 15:51.34 | Nyle | why? |
| 15:51.37 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: TiM |
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| 15:51.49 | Nyle | TiM pwnz any thinking game imo |
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| 15:52.02 | Nyle | man you know what |
| 15:52.11 | Nyle | fuck it I'm gonna make a TiM clone |
| 15:52.30 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: hell yes |
| 15:52.32 | Nyle | I wonder how we got ot again |
| 15:52.33 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:52.51 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: because tarzeau just had to bring up sauerbraten |
| 15:53.01 | Nyle | yup |
| 15:53.06 | Nyle | tarzeau: its all your fault goddamit |
| 15:53.09 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: phun is like tim but with no rules |
| 15:53.19 | Nyle | SerajewelKS: thats what reminded me of tim |
| 15:53.21 | Nyle | hehehe |
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| 15:54.51 | Nyle | im gonna go to the 99c store and get some garbage bags |
| 15:55.03 | Nyle | its got crappy bags cuz they are cheap but its walking distance |
| 15:55.14 | Nyle | if i drive to the store im probably gonna lose my parking spot |
| 15:55.27 | Nyle | well if i drive i can get other things from the store too |
| 15:55.31 | Nyle | hmm |
| 15:55.36 | Nyle | later |
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| 15:57.46 | gan | i am creating the debian live cd , it is going upto mounting the filesystem then it got stop |
| 15:58.13 | RvGaTe | is it possible to monitor some users activity and create a log of recently used commands for that user ? (trying to monitor www-data) |
| 15:58.32 | infernixx | .bash_history |
| 15:58.44 | infernixx | in /var/www |
| 15:58.52 | infernixx | or wherever $HOME is for www-data |
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| 15:59.14 | RvGaTe | infernixx, you know www-data = apache right? :P |
| 15:59.36 | infernixx | yep. doesnt always work. |
| 15:59.44 | infernixx | sloppy hacks will show up though |
| 15:59.54 | BerMeJo | modern linux follow scheme for swap partition about double of ram physic memory¿? |
| 16:00.07 | infernixx | BerMeJo: you can do without swap if you have balls. |
| 16:00.22 | BerMeJo | i don't speak about it |
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| 16:00.42 | BerMeJo | only im asking how many memory i need to reserv |
| 16:01.01 | infernixx | i usually do 1x physical ram if ram > 1GB |
| 16:01.09 | RvGaTe | infernixx, there is no .bash_history within /var/www/ (yes, its the www-data home directory) |
| 16:01.43 | rain | hi, i have tried with chmod and changing the fstab to allow nomal user to write to fat32 partition that i have mounted to /mnt/Fat32 folder. all that i try will end up with nothing useful or is it so that normal user can't write to FAt32 file system because debian dosn't allow it? |
| 16:01.44 | infernixx | RvGaTe: if you're trying to monitor stuff thats executed by php, thats probably true |
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| 16:01.56 | infernixx | or any other language executed by apache |
| 16:02.23 | RvGaTe | infernixx, im trying to monitor stuff thats executed using the shell_exec command within php... |
| 16:02.28 | infernixx | you'll need to modify bash to log everything. maybe with /etc/bash*rc or /etc/profile |
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| 16:02.59 | infernixx | or patch it. there's patches out there that log it all to an arbitrary directory instead of ~/.bash_history |
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| 16:03.33 | infernixx | or install a php module that does that. maybe suhoshin patch can do that for you |
| 16:04.46 | RvGaTe | infernixx, k, thx... ill look into it |
| 16:05.40 | stew | RvGaTe: you can use snoopy which will monitor the commands of ALL users, but that is probably overkill |
| 16:06.03 | RvGaTe | stew, not to many users on this private server, guess that'll do :) |
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| 16:07.23 | ChIlLy | uhm ... is lazyfrosch still in the room ??? , in other words online ??? |
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| 16:07.40 | RvGaTe | there is a list of people in this channel.. |
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| 16:08.00 | stew | RvGaTe: it will log any calls to execv to /var/log/auth.log |
| 16:08.53 | ChIlLy | he might be on it but he might not be there |
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| 16:09.27 | gan | i am creating the debian live cd , it is going upto mounting the filesystem then it got stop |
| 16:10.02 | stew | gan: ask #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
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| 16:11.16 | gan | no one is there |
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| 16:11.27 | shyam_k` | whats the best way to transfer video from sony webcam which have usb streaming?i dont have firewire port... |
| 16:11.33 | gan | stew, no one is there in channel |
| 16:12.00 | shyam_k` | i am sorry i have a sony handycamm |
| 16:12.05 | stew | gan: really? i'd expect there to be 20 or 30 people in there at any one time |
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| 16:12.33 | gan | stew, you just join there , then you may get |
| 16:12.45 | stew | gan: i'm not on that network |
| 16:12.56 | braddbr | hi, can i install sid packages from etch? |
| 16:13.04 | stew | braddbr: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:13.09 | gan | stew, no just to view |
| 16:13.11 | braddbr | thx |
| 16:13.20 | shyam_k` | i have the video giving out through usb port and dmseg says the following when i reconnects the usb cable usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 |
| 16:13.21 | shyam_k` | usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 16:13.21 | shyam_k` | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.43 | ChIlLy | chilly: this should work: |
| 16:13.43 | ChIlLy | for user in `cat userlist.txt`; |
| 16:13.43 | ChIlLy | do setquota -u $user 204800 204800 0 0 /; |
| 16:13.43 | ChIlLy | done |
| 16:13.43 | ChIlLy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:16.45 | ChIlLy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.04 | piju | how to set totem to use x11 output ? |
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| 16:19.28 | ph|ber | xsdg: i did an upgrade to lenny.. now my windows and terminals have no borders... whats missing??? |
| 16:19.36 | ChIlLy | anybody know wha tha means |
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| 16:20.37 | stew | ChIlLy: that 0 is not a valid inode hardlimit |
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| 16:20.51 | stew | ChIlLy: (that would be my guess at least) |
| 16:21.29 | ChIlLy | what the hell are inodes actually |
| 16:21.47 | stew | ChIlLy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inode |
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| 16:23.35 | RvGaTe | is it possible to replace the hdd (going from 10gb to 40gb) without having to reinstall the system? |
| 16:23.45 | Maulkin | RvGaTe: yup |
| 16:23.53 | RvGaTe | how ? |
| 16:24.36 | Maulkin | put in new hard drive. Format. |
| 16:24.41 | Maulkin | Rsync from old to new. |
| 16:24.44 | Maulkin | Boot new drive |
| 16:24.56 | Maulkin | Or possibly: |
| 16:25.49 | Maulkin | Take old hard drive and new drive into clean room. Remove case from old drive and first few platters from new drive, Swap old platters into new drive, being careful nto to scratch the heads against the patters. Replace. |
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| 16:26.10 | RvGaTe | Maulkin, very funny :P |
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| 16:26.47 | Nyle | Ren...rvgate my man |
| 16:26.53 | RvGaTe | ... |
| 16:26.55 | Nyle | whats up dude man homie bro |
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| 16:27.12 | nowec | how can I list the packages that have been installed with apt-get install? |
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| 16:27.43 | Maulkin | nowec: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 16:28.06 | Nyle | RvGaTe: stoned. |
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| 16:28.24 | Maulkin | Nyle: how's xpdf going? |
| 16:28.38 | stew | s/\^ii/^.i/ :) |
| 16:28.39 | Cacheaway | hello everyone. I have a question about getting PHP 4.4.x on sarge. backposts doesn't seem to offer it, and dotdeb fails with unmet dependancies |
| 16:28.41 | Nyle | Maulkin: it was supposed to go somewhere? |
| 16:29.10 | Maulkin | Nyle: yup |
| 16:29.22 | nowec | Maulkin: thanks a lot! |
| 16:29.23 | Maulkin | Cacheaway: php4 isn't supported any more |
| 16:29.23 | Cacheaway | well that was mostly a statemnet. . . the question is, Does anyone know an easy (apt-based) way to upgrade sarge to PHP 4.4.x? |
| 16:29.52 | Maulkin | Cacheaway: erm... you know that you have until the end of the month to upgrade to Etch, right? |
| 16:29.52 | Nyle | Maulkin: oh |
| 16:29.55 | Nyle | well then |
| 16:29.57 | Nyle | damn |
| 16:29.58 | stew | Maulkin: nonsense |
| 16:30.09 | Nyle | how many more months |
| 16:30.09 | stew | Maulkin: (about php4) |
| 16:30.11 | ChIlLy | so if i put 5 for in the beginning cause i tested it with a newly created user and it had 5 by inode int he bginning |
| 16:30.23 | ph|ber | anyone? |
| 16:30.25 | Nyle | wow time flew by so fast |
| 16:30.32 | Maulkin | stew: No, really... it's EOL as far a Debian is concerned. |
| 16:30.35 | ChIlLy | setquota -u $user 204800 204800 5 0 0 /; |
| 16:30.48 | stew | Maulkin: then it should be removed from etch |
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| 16:30.59 | stew | Maulkin: i know its not going to be in lenny |
| 16:31.05 | Cacheaway | Maulkin: what happens at the end of the month? I am not a debian user, but I am trying to help a guy upgrade to PHP 4.4 on his debian box. he doesn't want to go to PHP 5 |
| 16:31.18 | stew | Cacheaway: support for sarge ends |
| 16:31.24 | Nyle | Cacheaway: why doesn't he ? |
| 16:31.47 | Cacheaway | Nyle: he is worried about breaking any of the 15 websites he is hosting on it |
| 16:31.56 | Nyle | Cacheaway: I see |
| 16:32.14 | Maulkin | stew: that's being worked on :) |
| 16:32.15 | Nyle | Cacheaway: is this guy your boss? |
| 16:32.16 | Nyle | ;) |
| 16:32.28 | stew | Maulkin: for reals? |
| 16:32.33 | Maulkin | stew: yup |
| 16:32.37 | cberl1 | Hi folks. I know how much you all love Ubuntu, but I have a problem with SSH and can't quite figure it out. I'm trying to forward X11 and it's giving me this: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. I'd be using Debian, but to make a long story short, I can't spend the time to recompile the kernel to get the NIC we need to PXE boot with to connect to our LTSP setup. |
| 16:32.38 | Maulkin | Cacheaway: Why do you want to upgrade php4 on the box? |
| 16:32.38 | Nyle | fo' rizzle |
| 16:32.48 | Cacheaway | Nyle: I'd rather not tell him he's crazy and it can't be done, if that answers the question |
| 16:32.57 | Nyle | Cacheaway: awe |
| 16:32.58 | Maulkin | cberl1: you really want to head over to #ubuntu for that |
| 16:33.33 | Nyle | Cacheaway: which nic? |
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| 16:33.51 | chops | Cacheaway: Avoiding stable->stable upgrades is a fool's game... it may break something with one of his web sites, but he can't stay with sarge forever |
| 16:33.56 | cberl1 | Maulkin: Thanks. they're not much help, yet. |
| 16:34.17 | xerxes | whats a good sources.list entry for the current debian unstable ? |
| 16:34.20 | Maulkin | Cacheaway: You need to look at updating from Sarge to Etch pretty soon. |
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| 16:34.26 | Maulkin | xerxes: the default one. |
| 16:34.27 | chops | cberl1: Have you got xbase-clients installed on both machines? |
| 16:34.29 | Cacheaway | Nyle: nic? |
| 16:34.30 | Nyle | !tell xerxes -about xources.list |
| 16:34.30 | xerxes | entrie(s) |
| 16:34.37 | Nyle | sorry |
| 16:34.39 | craigevil | xerxes: what do you need/want package wise? |
| 16:34.40 | Nyle | cberl1: which NIC? |
| 16:34.41 | stew | xerxes: '/msg dpkg mirrors' for a list of mirrors |
| 16:34.55 | Nyle | er.. |
| 16:34.56 | cberl1 | chops: B'lieve so. Unless a recent update killed it. Nyle: Broadcom 57xx. |
| 16:34.57 | Nyle | hah |
| 16:34.58 | xerxes | I dont know i just want to move from etch to unstable |
| 16:34.58 | Nyle | xources.list |
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| 16:35.02 | Nyle | I'm baked |
| 16:35.09 | Nyle | xerxes: why? |
| 16:35.11 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 16:35.11 | dpkg | somebody said dnuts was Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 16:35.17 | stew | xerxes: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 16:35.20 | craigevil | xerxes: wtf would you want to do that |
| 16:35.40 | xerxes | doesnt unstable have more packages traditionally? |
| 16:35.48 | xerxes | and updates to stable take about 4 years |
| 16:35.52 | craigevil | if you have to ask how to you really dont want to try running sid |
| 16:35.53 | Nyle | xerxes: what part of unstable do you not understand? |
| 16:35.54 | stew | xerxes: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:35.59 | Nyle | UN? |
| 16:36.01 | Nyle | or stable? |
| 16:36.05 | xerxes | Nyle the sources.list entry |
| 16:36.09 | Cacheaway | thanks everyone for the advice |
| 16:36.10 | chops | xerxes: It's a fine thing to do to upgrade to unstable... if you don't mind your system being broken sometimes (and are comfortable fixing it when it happens). If you're not looking for excitement it's better to stay with stable. |
| 16:36.11 | Nyle | nm |
| 16:36.14 | craigevil | although i love sid its a blast :) |
| 16:36.14 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 16:36.17 | stew | Nyle: he seems to understand it |
| 16:36.29 | xerxes | chops from memory unstable breaks occasionally yeah |
| 16:36.38 | Nyle | you should use lenny instead |
| 16:36.44 | Nyle | its not as old, and not as unpredictable |
| 16:36.48 | Maulkin | Unstable is constantly broken in lots of subtle ways :) |
| 16:36.49 | stew | xerxes: which packages do you need newer versions of? |
| 16:37.03 | Nyle | Maulkin: o yeah definitely |
| 16:37.12 | xerxes | stew none really.. |
| 16:37.16 | Nyle | lol |
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| 16:37.21 | stew | xerxes: then there is no need to upgrade |
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| 16:37.33 | Nyle | !sid upgrade |
| 16:37.33 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 16:37.42 | xerxes | stew I just want things that didnt make it into stable |
| 16:37.50 | xerxes | like maybe games..... |
| 16:37.54 | stew | xerxes: which things do you want that didn't make it into stable? |
| 16:37.54 | chops | xerxes: Which things? |
| 16:38.11 | Nyle | stew: none really ;) |
| 16:38.12 | xerxes | dunno, i'll know when i apt-cache search |
| 16:38.24 | Nyle | hahahahaha this is entertainment |
| 16:38.27 | craigevil | hehe |
| 16:38.40 | stew | xerxes: well, we'd strgonly recommend that you try using backports first |
| 16:39.02 | craigevil | just do apt-get dist-upgrade then have fun going omfg what did i get myself into muahaha |
| 16:39.10 | xerxes | lol |
| 16:39.14 | Nyle | it could happen |
| 16:39.17 | aawd | xerxes, why dont you just compile the games you want from source? then you'll get the latest. |
| 16:39.21 | xerxes | all i have installed is X11 and icewm |
| 16:39.29 | xerxes | so i dont think it will be that bad ;-) |
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| 16:39.46 | xerxes | aawd im lazy |
| 16:39.47 | craigevil | going form etch to sid oh yeah it would be |
| 16:39.49 | Nyle | use testing |
| 16:39.59 | Nyle | craigevil: not neccesserily |
| 16:40.09 | miromiro | hmm.. how do i delete with e.g. sed the last 2 lines of a file? |
| 16:40.15 | Nyle | I install sid from the get go, never install lenny or etch and upgrade |
| 16:40.29 | Nyle | but going from etch or even sarge to sid now isn't THAT fucked up if you know what to do |
| 16:40.33 | Nyle | then again |
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| 16:40.42 | Nyle | if you have to ask for mirrors about HOW to upgrade to sid |
| 16:40.46 | Nyle | you REALLY should NOT be using it |
| 16:40.46 | craigevil | i run sid and do apt-get dist-upgrade daily, what version of xorg is in etch |
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| 16:40.47 | Nyle | period. |
| 16:41.06 | stew | craigevil: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 16:41.16 | craigevil | xorg and kernel upgrade alone would probably be a bitch going from etch to sid |
| 16:41.31 | Cacheaway | Well, on more question. If I can convince him to go to PHP5, that should be pretty straighforward (code compatibility issues aside) through backports, correct? |
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| 16:41.58 | Maulkin | Cacheaway: 1) upgrade to etch |
| 16:41.58 | stew | Cacheaway: we'd recommend upgrading to etch, since that needs to happen anyway, and etch has php5 |
| 16:41.59 | Nyle | is there a need to upgrade |
| 16:42.07 | stew | Nyle: yes |
| 16:42.12 | Nyle | oh hes on sarge |
| 16:42.15 | Maulkin | Cacheaway: that really is the first thing to do :) |
| 16:42.16 | macafe | Anyone know how I can do to ignore all files with extension .log of my Subversion Project? I'm looking svn propedit svn:ignore, but is not recursive |
| 16:42.20 | jelly | sarge goes away in a month or so? |
| 16:42.23 | Nyle | yes yes |
| 16:42.25 | Maulkin | jelly: less than a month |
| 16:42.32 | Cacheaway | Nyle: yes, he wants to use some new fancy PHP-based CMS that won't run on PHP 4.3, which he ahs now |
| 16:42.38 | stew | i have one more server left i think |
| 16:42.47 | Nyle | aawd: tell him its time to upgrade it all |
| 16:42.48 | Maulkin | Well, Sarge doesn't go away, but it's security support does |
| 16:42.48 | nowec | what would this row look like if I wanted to be able to get packages from the testing section? : deb http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian/ etch main |
| 16:42.52 | ph|ber | can anyone help?? |
| 16:42.55 | Nyle | Cacheaway: not aawd |
| 16:43.03 | Nyle | ph|ber: ask |
| 16:43.18 | Maulkin | ph|ber: not if you don't tell us the problem |
| 16:43.26 | ph|ber | i upgraded from etch to lenny, now in gnome, like a terminal has no border, and isat the top of the screen |
| 16:43.26 | Nyle | nowec: change etch to lenny |
| 16:43.29 | ph|ber | i did a few ago.. |
| 16:43.30 | chops | Cacheaway: These issues will keep arising, one after another... and if you try to solve them all within sarge as they arise, you'll eventually arrive at a very unhappy system. I'm surprised you haven't run into more this-is-older-than-I-need issues than that one already. |
| 16:43.36 | Nyle | !tell ph|ber -about etch->lenny |
| 16:43.38 | stew | nowec: don't mix testing and etch, /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:43.41 | ph|ber | i have that |
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| 16:44.00 | ph|ber | did that. |
| 16:44.02 | Nyle | er.. |
| 16:44.07 | ph|ber | im upgraded to lenny |
| 16:44.11 | ph|ber | but you didnt see my question |
| 16:44.12 | Nyle | oh |
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| 16:44.14 | Nyle | there are two dudes |
| 16:44.21 | Nyle | sorry lines were crossed |
| 16:44.23 | Nyle | come again |
| 16:44.38 | Nyle | oh i see |
| 16:44.40 | ph|ber | i upgraded from etch to lenny, now in gnome, like a terminal has no border, and isat the top of the screen |
| 16:44.51 | nowec | stew: so, what should I do if I need something from lenny? |
| 16:44.53 | chops | ph|ber: Like a Mac? |
| 16:44.55 | xerxes | hmm testing seems a reasonable trade off |
| 16:45.03 | chops | ph|ber: Or like everything's just broken? :-) |
| 16:45.06 | ph|ber | i dont use a mac, wouldnt know.. |
| 16:45.10 | ph|ber | everything is broken |
| 16:45.12 | Nyle | I don't use gnome |
| 16:45.19 | ChIlLy | it now says : setquota: Mountpoint (or device) / not found. setquota: not all specified mountpoints are using quota. and i have this inserted in my script : setquota -u $user 204800 204800 5 0 0 /; |
| 16:45.26 | Nyle | !ssb |
| 16:45.26 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 16:45.29 | chops | ph|ber: Sounds like a bug; checked the BTS? |
| 16:45.31 | Nyle | nowec: ^^ |
| 16:45.32 | ChIlLy | any help? |
| 16:45.36 | stew | nowec: use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:45.51 | Nyle | nowec: you want to backport things yourself if not done already by someone else |
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| 16:47.39 | ph|ber | is there a list of default packages installed? |
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| 16:48.53 | ph|ber | any the logout button doesnt work |
| 16:48.54 | ph|ber | wtf. |
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| 16:49.27 | ChIlLy | stew m8 , when ya have a lille time notice me please , small big problem here :P |
| 16:50.23 | stew | ChIlLy: i don't know about quotas |
| 16:50.41 | ChIlLy | does somebody do ??? |
| 16:51.06 | badcfe_ | hello i have a highy exceptional situation on my production machine running debian |
| 16:51.15 | stew | ph|ber: afaik, it's roughly "aptitude search '~pstandard' '~prequired' '~E'" |
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| 16:51.46 | badcfe_ | for a non-root (uid=0) user i get ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? as listing info for files under /var/run/ |
| 16:51.50 | Cacheaway | Assuming we won't be doing an Etch upgrade (I know, I know), adding the Sarge-backports package sources and doing apt-get remove php4; apt-get install php5 would be the procedure for upgrading to PHP5, correct? |
| 16:52.11 | badcfe_ | i noticed it when i saw that "who am i" had no output for normal users. |
| 16:52.21 | jelly | ChIlLy: setquota complains that your "/" filesystem does not have quota enabled. |
| 16:52.21 | valdyn | badcfe_: so you have files owned by a user that does no longer exist |
| 16:52.26 | chops | badcfe_: Is /etc/passwd possibly corrupted? What filesystem? |
| 16:52.30 | Maulkin | Cacheaway: erm... in theory, but that would cause major problems if you ever wanted to upgrade to etch |
| 16:52.34 | badcfe_ | valdyn: as root it all shows normal |
| 16:52.43 | Cacheaway | Maulkin: oh? |
| 16:52.47 | stew | Cacheaway: are you using apache or apache2? |
| 16:52.52 | chops | Cacheaway: That would be a reasonable approach IMHO |
| 16:52.55 | Cacheaway | 2 |
| 16:52.56 | valdyn | badcfe_: oh, fucked up permissions |
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| 16:53.01 | valdyn | badcfe_: ls -l /etc/passwd |
| 16:53.05 | chops | Cacheaway: Assuming that you're not upgrading to etch, of course :-) |
| 16:53.07 | stew | Cacheaway: then don't remove anything, just "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5" |
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| 16:53.32 | ChIlLy | but it has it enabled = \ |
| 16:53.34 | chops | badcfe_: Has anything big happened to the filesystems on this machine? Moving hardware, restoring from backup, reconfiguring partitions? |
| 16:53.36 | ChIlLy | oi think |
| 16:53.38 | stew | Cacheaway: (it will remove libapache2-mod-php4 for you when you do that) (there is no reason to remove the php4 package, but you can if you like) |
| 16:53.41 | ChIlLy | if not how do i enable it |
| 16:53.43 | ChIlLy | ??? |
| 16:53.55 | badcfe_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1048 2008-02-05 14:34 /etc/passwd |
| 16:54.01 | Cacheaway | stew: thanks, and this is after adding backposts sources? |
| 16:54.03 | jelly | ChIlLy: man quotaon |
| 16:54.18 | stew | Cacheaway: yes |
| 16:54.23 | Cacheaway | Maulkin: will using backposts packages make upgrading to etch difficult in the future? |
| 16:54.27 | badcfe_ | nothing big has happened on this machine. and df shows no high usage |
| 16:54.35 | Maulkin | Cacheaway: yes. |
| 16:54.36 | valdyn | badcfe_: looks good, must be some other part of your auth mechanism, maybe strace will help or someone else more familiar with your authentication system |
| 16:54.48 | Maulkin | Cacheaway: I really can't stress this enough: you need to go to etch soon. |
| 16:55.01 | badcfe_ | only content of /var/run is corrupted and only when seen by a non-root user. |
| 16:55.07 | chops | Cacheaway: In theory it may (particularly for core components). Unofficially, for something peripheral like php5 I wouldn't expect it to. Still, of course, you're ultimately responsible for any breakage that happens. |
| 16:55.07 | Maulkin | Cacheaway: there will be no security updates for sarge from the end of the month |
| 16:55.25 | chops | badcfe_: What filesystem? |
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| 16:55.43 | badcfe_ | valdyn: strace just showed me why normal users get "0 users" when doing "w" |
| 16:55.55 | jelly | badcfe_: why do you want to access /var/run as as normal user, anyway? |
| 16:56.07 | valdyn | badcfe_: and the reason is? |
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| 16:56.20 | badcfe_ | valdyn: its because all permissions of entries under "/var/run/" sucks when seen by non-root |
| 16:56.34 | valdyn | badcfe_: ok, sounds easy to fix |
| 16:56.44 | stew | Maulkin: why is using libapache2-mod-php5 from backports going to make an upgrade to etch more difficult? |
| 16:56.59 | Cacheaway | you guys are great, thanks |
| 16:57.05 | chops | Cacheaway: np, good luck |
| 16:57.35 | jelly | stew: because upgrade paths are less tested? No RC bugs filed for backported versions? |
| 16:57.51 | ph|ber | shit shit shit |
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| 16:58.35 | stew | sounds like a "maybe" instead of a "yes" but whatever |
| 16:59.00 | jelly | it's a definite maybe |
| 16:59.25 | Maulkin | stew: because the version in sarge-backport > version in etch ? |
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| 16:59.36 | stew | Maulkin: its not |
| 16:59.36 | gonzaloaf | hi, when bugbuddy generates me a bug reporting file, who do I send it? |
| 16:59.46 | jelly | Maulkin: versions in sarge-backports are never >= etch |
| 16:59.50 | valdyn | gonzaloaf: use reportbug |
| 16:59.55 | ChIlLy | no it was on already ... any other sugestions?? |
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| 17:00.05 | jelly | badcfe_: what does "ls -ld /var/run" say? what about "df /var/run"? |
| 17:00.56 | jelly | ChIlLy: how do you check for enabled quota on / ? |
| 17:01.14 | badcfe_ | jelly: who accessed /var/run/utmp you know ... |
| 17:01.24 | badcfe_ | jelly: accesses* |
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| 17:01.32 | ChIlLy | write quotaon /home and then if it says its ocupied it means its on |
| 17:01.49 | valdyn | badcfe_: to many programs, utmp is broken by design, basically |
| 17:01.54 | valdyn | !utmp |
| 17:01.54 | dpkg | utmp is probably it records information on who is currently logged in. see <btmp>, or see "man utmp" |
| 17:01.56 | badcfe_ | filesystem is /dev/sda1 67947448 5296652 59199236 9% / |
| 17:02.00 | jelly | ChIlLy: so you want quota on "/home", and not "/" ? |
| 17:02.15 | badcfe_ | valdyn: this is not about utmp. its about /var/run entries |
| 17:02.30 | Nyle | I just don't get it |
| 17:02.31 | ChIlLy | aaaah crap , it supose to be /home aint it ??? |
| 17:02.33 | valdyn | badcfe_: sure, you asked about it |
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| 17:02.42 | badcfe_ | drwxr--r-- 9 root root 4096 2008-02-11 17:18 /var/run |
| 17:03.04 | Nyle | Maulkin: I'm gonna be backpotting soon ;) |
| 17:03.05 | valdyn | badcfe_: chmod a+x /var/run |
| 17:03.13 | badcfe_ | and the content of it is fine _except_ when accessing it by uid =/= 0 |
| 17:03.23 | valdyn | badcfe_: sure |
| 17:03.27 | valdyn | badcfe_: fix the permissions |
| 17:03.38 | jelly | ChIlLy: yeah, I guess you want to replace "/" in the setquota command with "/home" |
| 17:03.51 | Nyle | smc on etch |
| 17:04.02 | Maulkin | jelly: Isn't the backport taken from the lenny version? |
| 17:04.29 | gridl0ck | anyone know the name of the site that lists the defacements? thought it was zone-info.net sorry OT |
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| 17:05.02 | badcfe_ | i see that its not eXecutable /var/run and it should prolly be, but why do i get ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /var/run/motd |
| 17:05.03 | jelly | Maulkin: TBH I haven't checked lately, but they were always from release+1 before... |
| 17:05.07 | badcfe_ | for example |
| 17:05.37 | jelly | badcfe_: because that's what the executable permission does on directories, enabled the user to look up directory entries |
| 17:05.42 | gridl0ck | nvm found it zone-h.org |
| 17:05.44 | ph|ber | got it!! there was no metacity installed. |
| 17:05.50 | badcfe_ | does _not executable_ directory mean the _permissions_ of entries shouldnt be seen? |
| 17:05.57 | badcfe_ | i see the entry list tho |
| 17:05.59 | badcfe_ | .. |
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| 17:06.14 | stew | Maulkin: backports to etch are from lenny versions, backports to sarge are from etch versions afaik |
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| 17:06.30 | badcfe_ | i see. thanks everybody. 8 - ) |
| 17:06.33 | Maulkin | Ahh, fair enough then. I assumed that they were both from lenny |
| 17:06.35 | badcfe_ | jelly: thanks |
| 17:06.40 | ChIlLy | jelly |
| 17:06.47 | ChIlLy | i have a pro |
| 17:06.48 | ChIlLy | b |
| 17:07.11 | ChIlLy | like i want to put quotas for every person i have , like their home directory |
| 17:07.28 | RogeWork | i hate that internet companys never post prices for there dedicated access |
| 17:07.34 | RogeWork | waiting for answers suck |
| 17:07.39 | ChIlLy | is that in /home or in /home/<user_name> |
| 17:07.59 | ChIlLy | ? |
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| 17:08.45 | jelly | ChIlLy: you can set quotas per each filesystem, not per directory. That is, use "/home" |
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| 17:09.39 | ChIlLy | its that ... i used it in my script but everybody created with it keeps with the quotas at 0 , so infenit |
| 17:09.39 | jelly | RogeWork: do you have a debian question? |
| 17:09.42 | ChIlLy | =\ |
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| 17:11.23 | RogeWork | not at the moment |
| 17:11.28 | RogeWork | i guess i was a bit off topic |
| 17:11.30 | RogeWork | sorry |
| 17:11.34 | jelly | ChIlLy: no idea. does running "quotacheck /home" help? |
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| 17:12.26 | RogeWork | ohhhhh, i see you thought i was complaining about waiting for a an answer to a debi question... i was complaing i had to wait to get prices for dedicated access |
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| 17:12.37 | RogeWork | sorry |
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| 17:14.07 | ChIlLy | i putted this: setquota -u $user 204800 204800 5 0 0 /home; and it now gives me an error cannot stat() given mountpoint 0 |
| 17:14.38 | jelly | ChIlLy: your syntax is not correct. |
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| 17:15.06 | ChIlLy | might you have an idea what is wrong ?? |
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| 17:15.44 | jelly | ChIlLy: I might, but please do read the manual on your own and figure out what you're doing wrong by yourself. |
| 17:17.18 | jelly | ChIlLy: hint: compare your current setquota command line to what lazyfrosch initially told you. |
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| 17:17.56 | ChIlLy | i have a number more |
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| 17:20.47 | ChIlLy | but i need it i think8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 |
| 17:20.47 | ChIlLy | 8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 |
| 17:20.52 | ChIlLy | 8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 |
| 17:20.59 | ChIlLy | 88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888but i need them |
| 17:21.01 | ChIlLy | wow |
| 17:21.03 | ChIlLy | oops |
| 17:21.05 | ChIlLy | as i said |
| 17:21.07 | ChIlLy | i need them |
| 17:21.10 | streuner_ | moron |
| 17:21.22 | ChIlLy | one is for soft, hard, inodes, then soft again and hard again |
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| 17:23.03 | ChIlLy | i think |
| 17:23.09 | ChIlLy | or not?? |
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| 17:29.51 | jelly | I think s?he didn't quite think |
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| 17:38.03 | ph|ber | dpkg: help |
| 17:39.32 | ph|ber | anyway to go from lenny to etch? |
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| 17:40.18 | et | !downgrade |
| 17:40.19 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 17:42.40 | Eulex | ph|ber, downgrading is not _strictly_ impossible, but it is very hard (because the system wasn't made for it) and you need quite some experience with apt/dpkg to do it. you could try apt-pinning etch higher than lenny. but it will still be very hard. apart from that, I don't believe anyone in here will help you with it. |
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| 17:44.13 | chops | ph|ber: Did you file a bug about the lack of metacity and resulting brokenness? |
| 17:44.51 | Eulex | lack of metacity? etch, testing and unstable all have metacity. |
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| 17:46.18 | chops | Eulex: He said he upgraded etch->lenny and lots of things broke in gnome (and that he eventually traced it to the fact that metacity wasn't installed). That sounds like a bug. |
| 17:46.49 | themill | install metacity? |
| 17:46.52 | Eulex | or perhaps that he just needed to apt-get install metacity? |
| 17:47.05 | themill | !info metacity lenny |
| 17:47.10 | dpkg | metacity: (A lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:2.20.2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 407 kB, Installed size: 780 kB |
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| 17:48.37 | chop1 | Eulex: But upgrading etch to lenny shouldn't break gnome... you shouldn't have to fix it up later by installing a package by hand. |
| 17:49.06 | Eulex | chop1, yeah |
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| 17:52.05 | macafe | How I can search all files how extension is *.log and name Thumbs.db in one find? find /var/www/ -name \*[.log|Thumbs.db] ? |
| 17:52.25 | ptman | should I choose mit or heimdal kerberos implementation? |
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| 17:52.35 | jim | macafe there is -or |
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| 17:53.24 | chop1 | macafe: find /var/www -name '*.log' -o -name Thumbs.db |
| 17:54.02 | jim | is alsa-firmware and alsa-firmware-loader packaged? |
| 17:54.15 | macafe | chop1, jim: Thank you |
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| 17:54.30 | chops | macafe: np |
| 17:54.38 | jim | ahh, they use the spanish spelling of -or :) |
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| 17:54.56 | xuser | How can I make kernel upgrades use grub instead of lilo? |
| 17:55.10 | jim | do you have lilo installed |
| 17:55.13 | chops | xuser: Install grub instead of lilo? |
| 17:55.21 | xuser | both installed |
| 17:55.25 | jim | why? |
| 17:55.40 | chops | xuser: Uninstall the one you're not using |
| 17:55.47 | chops | xuser: (i.e. lilo :-) |
| 17:55.51 | xuser | I'm running sid, once grub was broken for me, that's why i keep both |
| 17:56.04 | chops | xuser: But if you want lilo again later, you need only to reinstall it |
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| 17:56.20 | chops | xuser: Having both installed will probably confuse the kernel's install scripts, since it doesn't know which one is in use |
| 17:56.21 | stew | xuser: its fine to keep both. edit /etc/kernel-pkg.conf and make the postinst_hook and postrm_hook run 'update-grub' |
| 17:56.30 | chops | xuser: NM, listen to stew |
| 17:56.42 | stew | xuser: "postinst_hook = update-grub' |
| 17:57.12 | xuser | stew: ah thanks. |
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| 17:59.47 | xuser | hmm don't have kernel-pkg.conf, there is kernel-img.conf though |
| 18:00.03 | miromiro | xuser: jep |
| 18:00.24 | jim | xuser: try reading man page on kernel-pkg.conf |
| 18:00.38 | jim | if that;s there, the other could exist and be used |
| 18:01.21 | miromiro | jom: btw .. there's no such manpage neither for kernel-[img|pkg][.conf] |
| 18:01.30 | stew | xuser: oh, shoot, yeah, you want kernel-img.conf, not kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 18:01.50 | stew | miromiro: there are manpages for both |
| 18:02.05 | miromiro | at least not in my sarge *blush* ... but it was interesting to learn about that :) |
| 18:02.13 | stew | !find kernel-img.conf.5.gz sarge |
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| 18:02.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kernel-img.conf.5.gz' (1): (/usr/share/man/man5/kernel-img.conf.5.gz, /usr/share/man/es/man5/kernel-img.conf.5.gz, /usr/share/man/fr/man5/kernel-img.conf.5.gz) in misc/kernel-package. |
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| 18:02.43 | miromiro | hmm... |
| 18:02.53 | stew | miromiro: in the kernel-package package |
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| 18:03.25 | miromiro | oh ... so that's not around here ;) |
| 18:03.27 | miromiro | thx! |
| 18:03.28 | jim | miromiro: it's packaged in the kernel-package package... so you can use the package mgr to install that package! |
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| 18:03.45 | Daemonik | I have the package openoffice.org-gtk installed and am using OpenOffice with Fluxbox. I have a .gtkrc-2.0 file in my home directory. When I start OpenOffice it's not using GTK+, but that ugly windows 95-ish interface for menus and such. How can I get OpenOffice to use GTK+? |
| 18:04.18 | ks | is this proper /etc/hosts file for debian ? |
| 18:04.20 | ks | http://pastebin.ca/930547 |
| 18:04.34 | jim | man 5 hosts and see |
| 18:04.44 | ks | looks like 127.0.1.1 causing problems |
| 18:05.05 | stew | ks: that hosts file looks fine |
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| 18:05.23 | stew | ks: what makes you say that it is causing problems? |
| 18:05.25 | jim | what is the specific problem you're experiencing? it's possible to help with that |
| 18:05.46 | miromiro | ks: probably special nsswitch.conf setup? |
| 18:06.14 | ks | stew i have some startup errors like : ssh : connect to host localhost port 22: connection refused |
| 18:06.35 | jim | startup? |
| 18:06.53 | ks | and also "Shutting down NameNode at debian4/127.0.1.1" |
| 18:06.54 | jim | why does ssh try to connect to something on startup? |
| 18:07.26 | ks | jim it is hadoop script trying to establish ssh connect |
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| 18:07.43 | jim | ks: I'm getting the impression there's a lot you're not telling us |
| 18:07.48 | microtux | hi |
| 18:07.53 | ks | jim: yeah |
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| 18:08.29 | jim | like stuff about how the boot process was altered, and not as a result of debian packaging |
| 18:09.02 | stew | ks: it doesn't sound like you have a problem with /etc/hosts but some problem with the way your startup/shutdown scripts are ordered |
| 18:09.21 | stew | ks: and i wonder what purpose ssh to localhost would serve |
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| 18:09.48 | ks | stew yeah maybe if i try to move it to s99, it would do , but i doubt |
| 18:09.49 | jim | like you're connecting to some ssh server that either doesn't exist or else is not started yet |
| 18:09.56 | efaistos | did someone use poweredge servers with raid perc 4 cards ? |
| 18:10.14 | stew | ks: why does this script need to use ssh? |
| 18:10.17 | sander_m | Hello. Out of historical interest, are there any repositories and/or iso's available for old debian releases like Woody and Hamm? |
| 18:10.22 | SerajewelKS | stew: only thing i can think of is using a tunnel as a simple userspace port redirect |
| 18:10.23 | stew | ks: and when does it start now? |
| 18:10.29 | stew | SerajewelKS: yeah, could be |
| 18:10.42 | ks | stew this is the way hadoop joins slave nodes |
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| 18:11.10 | ks | it uses slaves ip addresses and ssh in to bootstrap something, i guess |
| 18:11.26 | microtux | does any one know the command that locks the screen, or that runs the screen-saver ?? |
| 18:11.27 | ks | stew i used defaults, so it is s20 |
| 18:11.43 | jim | is the slave completely booted before the connection is tried? |
| 18:11.52 | stew | obviously not |
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| 18:12.12 | ks | jim nope i am testing just master node at this point |
| 18:12.21 | chops | efaistos: Someone does |
| 18:12.32 | chops | efaistos: I use a PERC5 if that helps at all. What's your question? |
| 18:12.33 | chops | !ask |
| 18:12.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:12.34 | jim | stew: true... I'm (obviously) hoping he'll start thinking about those issues |
| 18:13.04 | efaistos | chops: have a little question i configured 5 hd 4 with raid5 and one as an hotspare but I have a 6th hd and i want to be able to install just the OS on that one but when i boot on rhel cant see it ... just the raid5 volume |
| 18:13.26 | chops | efaistos: Did you add it as a disk using the RAID BIOS? |
| 18:13.38 | efaistos | yeah ... |
| 18:13.45 | chops | efaistos: You may have to configure it specifically as a disk (or a 1-volume RAID0 volume or something stupid like that) before the OS can see it |
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| 18:15.12 | efaistos | that's stupid ... why raid0 ? |
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| 18:17.00 | ks | how do I get bootup messages ? i've looked at dmesg it shows only hw |
| 18:17.12 | stew | ks: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 18:17.37 | ks | thanks |
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| 18:20.26 | stew | efaistos: such a thing would typically be done by setting it to bre "JBOD" not "RAID0", but i've never tried it on a perc4 before |
| 18:20.56 | efaistos | stew: there is no jbod ... and what is it btw ? |
| 18:21.17 | stew | efaistos: 'just a bunch of disks', meaning, 'don't build an array out of these, just show them to the os' |
| 18:21.36 | efaistos | dont see that anywhere in the perc4 bios |
| 18:22.03 | stew | efaistos: you might try googling perc4+jbod |
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| 18:26.18 | SparFux | Hi! |
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| 18:26.32 | g-d | is there any good tool for analyzing traffic/bandwith from a specific server so that you can show (preferably with graphs) that the traffic from certain subnets (offices in reality) is of lower bandwith than other's (some customers complain that they have poor response times to our servers, when in fact they're on a slow connection)? |
| 18:26.40 | SparFux | hi g-d |
| 18:27.00 | g-d | hi |
| 18:27.06 | Superbartt | g-d you could use cacti to generate traffic stats from their interfaces ^^ |
| 18:27.27 | SparFux | and put it on their web/ |
| 18:27.29 | g-d | their interfaces? |
| 18:28.01 | g-d | we only have access to the web server... |
| 18:28.13 | g-d | but we know which subnets belong to whom |
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| 18:29.46 | jstrunk | How can I preseed debconf answers when using apt? |
| 18:30.04 | Justin | g-d: netflow |
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| 18:30.43 | g-d | Justin: how would netflow help me? |
| 18:30.53 | jstrunk | I've tried using debconf-set-selections, but it returns "error: Cannot find a question for..." |
| 18:31.31 | Justin | g-d: netflow is a good tool for analyzing network traffic |
| 18:31.40 | Justin | g-d: though maybe something like ntop(which can do netflow) would be better in your case |
| 18:32.37 | jstrunk | I am trying to noninteractively install sun-java6-jre on the workstations I manage. |
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| 18:35.03 | SparFux | Has anybody got experiences with selinux on debian? |
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| 18:36.08 | RaymondX | anyone knows a decent decompiler for c++ programs? |
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| 18:36.24 | Anthro | Is there a Debian way to install the foo2qpdl printer driver? According to linuxprinting.org, it's what I need for the Samsung CLP-300N: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-CLP-300N |
| 18:36.49 | Anthro | RaymondX: C++ doesn't decompile particularly well. |
| 18:37.17 | Anthro | RaymondX: Especially if the compiler did any optimization at all. |
| 18:37.32 | stew | RaymondX: ask ##c++ |
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| 18:39.18 | ks | here is my /var/log/boot file http://pastebin.ca/930594 |
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| 18:39.57 | ks | see lin 75 for ssh |
| 18:40.22 | Justin | ks: so? install the ssh server |
| 18:41.00 | pandrew | hello! window resize events are not getting trough SSH anymore, since i started useing the wmii window manager, still window resize works in local xterm windows! any ideas about how i could make it work? |
| 18:41.12 | Justin | ks: ah i see, you need to change the runlevel ordering |
| 18:41.36 | ks | Justin: for what ? |
| 18:41.45 | Justin | ks: ssh or hadoop |
| 18:41.55 | ks | Justin: ah i see |
| 18:42.18 | ks | so hadoop should be moved to upper level |
| 18:42.35 | Justin | ks: yes |
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| 18:43.29 | ks | ok let me check it |
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| 18:44.46 | samlii | exit |
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| 18:45.09 | SparFux | My chrony doesn't seem to recognisze rtc clock. What can I do? |
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| 18:45.19 | Assid | heya |
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| 18:45.47 | SparFux | I think my kernel module isn't loaded :-( |
| 18:45.48 | Assid | err can debian stable write to ntfs properly? |
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| 18:45.57 | themill | !ntfsrw |
| 18:45.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfsrw is available starting with lenny with <ntfs-3g>, or with ntfsmount from ntfsprogs. |
| 18:46.17 | themill | Assid: but you can get ntfs-3g from etch-backports |
| 18:46.34 | themill | Assid: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g and /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 18:47.13 | Assid | sweet |
| 18:47.26 | theatro | on the average how long does it take for a testing distribution to become released as stable? a year, more? |
| 18:48.05 | themill | !wir |
| 18:48.05 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 18:48.30 | themill | theatro: it's usually 18-24 months. But can be longer. /msg dpkg release history |
| 18:48.33 | abrotman | theatro: at least a year .. they're currently targeting roughly 18-20 months between etch and lenny |
| 18:49.06 | BerMeJo | anybody know how to change iceweasel spellchecker to other language¿? |
| 18:50.20 | vanksi | i'm trying to do remote backups using scp but the connection always stalls before transfers are completed, is there any way to avoid this? |
| 18:50.37 | Nyle | BerMeJo: irc.mozilla.org #firefo |
| 18:50.39 | Nyle | firefox |
| 18:51.01 | Nyle | BerMeJo: they would know how to do that |
| 18:51.02 | BerMeJo | thank you |
| 18:51.04 | themill | Nyle: they'll probably tell him to piss off in the same way we tell ubuntu users to ask elsewhere.. |
| 18:51.09 | chops | vanksi: Is your internet unreliable or something? I've not seen scp fail like that before... |
| 18:51.33 | chops | vanksi: rsync over ssh may be more stable if you can't make the internet reliable |
| 18:51.38 | Nyle | themill: maybe |
| 18:51.42 | themill | vanksi: using rsync can help because it's restartable. |
| 18:51.43 | Anthro | vanksi: rsync over ssh may be quicker, restartable, and more reliable. |
| 18:51.50 | pandrew | ok, it's not my window manager. i am useing expect to type in the password for me... (please don't try to tell me about keys, i have my reasons not to use them). is there a way i could get expect to recognize the window resize events? |
| 18:51.51 | vanksi | chops, nope, the connections stay up on both ends |
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| 18:52.16 | themill | BerMeJo: doesn't installing the iceweasel-i10n-<your language> package help? |
| 18:52.16 | Nyle | BerMeJo: tell em you got firefox |
| 18:52.23 | Anthro | vanksi: residential internet with throttling, maybe? |
| 18:52.28 | Nyle | themill: locale I would assume no? |
| 18:52.33 | Nyle | no |
| 18:52.36 | Nyle | no nm |
| 18:52.47 | Nyle | I |
| 18:53.01 | Assid | themill: cant install fuse isnt new :( |
| 18:53.03 | vanksi | Anthro, nope |
| 18:53.14 | BerMeJo | not locales, not iceweasel-il10n |
| 18:53.18 | Anthro | vanksi: Well, regardless, look into rsync |
| 18:53.24 | BerMeJo | im asking there thank u |
| 18:53.24 | Assid | i loaded the backports mirror |
| 18:53.33 | vanksi | whats the syntax for rsync over ssh to transfer a whole directory? |
| 18:53.43 | themill | Assid: libfuse2 is also on backports.org |
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| 18:54.35 | Anthro | vanksi: It's been a while. Check the man page. |
| 18:54.56 | stew | vanksi: rsync -r source dest ; you might want -a instead of -r, check the manpage for what -a means |
| 18:55.00 | themill | vanksi: there are good examples in the man page. |
| 18:55.06 | pratyush | vanksi, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-use-rsync-transfer-mirror-files-directories.html |
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| 18:56.33 | Assid | themill: i think the stable mirror is overriding the backports |
| 18:57.10 | themill | BerMeJo: Tools -> Add-ons -> Languages? (I have en_gb in there, but I haven't a clue how... ;) |
| 18:57.37 | BerMeJo | no |
| 18:57.44 | BerMeJo | i have response now |
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| 18:57.59 | BerMeJo | right click in multiline field |
| 18:58.11 | BerMeJo | and you can change dictionary there |
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| 18:58.37 | themill | ahh... that rings a bell. Well hidden. |
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| 19:00.58 | themill | dpkg: iceweasel spell check is <reply> To install a new dictionary for spell checking in iceweasel, right click on a multiline input field (textarea) -> Languages -> Add dictionaries. |
| 19:00.58 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 19:05.09 | Nyle | when using the hd-media installer, is there a requirement as to which kind of filesystem can or can't contain the iso images |
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| 19:05.29 | Nyle | is ntfs ro supported ? |
| 19:05.45 | Nyle | or ReiserFS |
| 19:05.57 | Nyle | didn't see it in the install guide |
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| 19:06.47 | Gyde | howdo I configure my user, so it logs in automatically? or can I adjust my login screens resolution.. ? |
| 19:07.02 | Gyde | because my new lcd can't display the login screen |
| 19:07.18 | Nyle | the only thing ahhhh there it is |
| 19:07.28 | Nyle | supported 'storage' systems damit |
| 19:07.31 | Nyle | 2.2.6 |
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| 19:07.53 | Nyle | ok that is fantastic for ntfs |
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| 19:08.24 | Nyle | so the debian hd-media installer kernel is not supporting reiserfs? or is it? where can I find this info? |
| 19:09.05 | stew | Gyde: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:09.44 | Gyde | is that a command or a tool? |
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| 19:09.51 | Gyde | dosen't work as a command |
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| 19:10.25 | eeccho | hi everyone |
| 19:10.34 | stew | Gyde: that is a command that will (among other things) reconfigure the default resolution |
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| 19:11.20 | Miesco | How do I use xscreensaver instead of gnome-screensaver? |
| 19:11.34 | Gyde | gyde@Isflagen:~$ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:11.35 | Gyde | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
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| 19:11.43 | stew | Gyde: you have to run it as root |
| 19:11.47 | Gyde | yes.. |
| 19:11.51 | Haris | Can I identify a package by a file name/path/ |
| 19:11.58 | Haris | btw, hello people |
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| 19:12.16 | stew | Haris: dpkg -S filename ('dlocate filename' is faster if that is installed) |
| 19:12.18 | eeccho | Miesco, actually, gnome-screensaver uses xscreensaver, it's just a wrapper |
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| 19:12.31 | Nyle | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/WebInstaller |
| 19:12.32 | Nyle | nice |
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| 19:14.17 | chops | So if I want to attach to an existing python process and debug it... I'm screwed, right? I have to launch it under the debugger from the beginning if I want to debug it? |
| 19:14.17 | Miesco | eeccho: So should I put xscreensaver in the start up programs? |
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| 19:14.37 | eeccho | Miesco, what for? |
| 19:14.47 | Miesco | eeccho: Cause screensaver has more screensavers |
| 19:14.53 | Miesco | eeccho: xscreensaver* |
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| 19:15.18 | stew | chops: ask #python ? |
| 19:15.20 | eeccho | Miesco, gnome-screensaver has them all, try to re-login |
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| 19:15.24 | chops | stew: Will do |
| 19:15.25 | Asmooh | blup.. |
| 19:15.46 | Miesco | eeccho: And when I come to my computer after a while I enter my password at the screensaver and the screen is just blank, I have to ctl+alt+backspace |
| 19:15.59 | Miesco | Miesco: No, gnome-screensaver only has like 5 |
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| 19:16.33 | Miesco | eeccho: sorry that was for you |
| 19:16.44 | Nyle | man I can't find it anywhere |
| 19:16.50 | Nyle | but i'll try it anyway |
| 19:17.10 | Nyle | I think the debian installer hd-media should be able to read the iso on the reiser fs too |
| 19:17.30 | Nyle | I really wanna try this webinstaller though |
| 19:17.32 | eeccho | Miesco, try to logoff and logon again... btw, x hang might be caused by your video card driver |
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| 19:18.37 | Miesco | eeccho: I logoff and logon all the time, gnome-screensaver still only has 5 |
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| 19:19.24 | eeccho | Miesco, then, i've no idea... |
| 19:19.55 | Miesco | When will lenny have a nvidia kernel package? |
| 19:20.20 | eeccho | oh, you're on lenny... |
| 19:20.50 | Miesco | No im not im on etch |
| 19:21.10 | Miesco | But when nvidia kernel package is only lenny I will upgrade |
| 19:21.27 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 19:22.29 | jelly-ho | !queue |
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| 19:22.43 | jelly-ho | oops, wrong channel |
| 19:22.43 | abrotman | !fifo |
| 19:22.44 | dpkg | well, fifo is first-in-first-out, or another name for a named pipe, or man 4 fifo |
| 19:23.10 | stew | i haven't named mine yet |
| 19:23.18 | jelly-ho | abrotman: did you know: there's only one q in the scrabble set |
| 19:23.58 | jelly-ho | !seen chilly |
| 19:23.58 | dpkg | chilly <n=User@adsl.eb23-naus.edu.pt> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 57m 43s ago, saying: 'jelly??'. |
| 19:24.03 | jelly-ho | phew |
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| 19:28.26 | daniel_John | in startinf debian etch my comp hangs for about 20 seconds on "starting MTA" why is this and how do I stop it from hanging? |
| 19:28.59 | chops | daniel_John: Fix your MTA not to hang for 20 seconds? :-) Probably it's exim4... is there anything interesting in the exim log? Do you have a network connection when it starts? |
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| 19:29.37 | daniel_John | chops it happens if im online or off. |
| 19:29.40 | petemc | it does that if it thinks it has a network connection but it really doesnt |
| 19:29.50 | petemc | no, it wouldnt happen if you had a working connection |
| 19:30.47 | daniel_John | what am I looking for in the exim4 log? |
| 19:30.56 | MolePrince | !kernel |
| 19:30.58 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.24.3, prepatch: 2.6.25-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.25-rc4-git1, 2.4: 2.4.36.2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-rc3-mm1 |
| 19:31.13 | stew | daniel_John: it usually means that name resolution isn't working for some reason |
| 19:31.15 | chops | daniel_John: You can reproduce the problem (again assuming it's exim4) after boot with '/etc/init.d/exim4 start'. You can investigate whether it really does happen whether or not you have a network connection (you might not have a network connection when you're halfway started up and then get one before you get completely booted, for example). |
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| 19:31.28 | stew | daniel_John: what happens if you run "getent hosts localhost" does it return quickly or not? |
| 19:31.35 | MolePrince | How do I chekc which kernl Etch is using these days? |
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| 19:31.48 | sordith_ | MolePrince: locally? |
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| 19:31.49 | chops | !info linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 19:31.54 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 19:32.08 | MolePrince | Swell, thanks chops :) |
| 19:32.09 | sordith_ | oh nice, the blootbot can do that too |
| 19:33.02 | chops | MolePrince: Also, unless you're talking about security fixes, there's no "these days" when talking about what versions of things are in etch. |
| 19:33.05 | sordith_ | !info linux-image-2.6 lenny |
| 19:33.14 | daniel_John | chops im a bit of a newb so I need instructions in sorting this. |
| 19:33.27 | MolePrince | chops: Ah, that's right. stable is.. stable :p |
| 19:33.33 | sordith_ | !info linux-image-2.6-amd64 lenny |
| 19:33.37 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-amd64: (Linux 2.6 image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22+11 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 19:33.55 | MolePrince | chops: Do you happen to know how well swsusp works under Etch? |
| 19:33.57 | sordith_ | no new scheduler for me :-/ |
| 19:34.05 | daniel_John | stew " 127.0.0.1 localhost cpc3-seve3-0-0-cust864 |
| 19:34.06 | daniel_John | " |
| 19:34.47 | stew | daniel_John: does it return quickly? |
| 19:34.57 | chops | MolePrince: I don't |
| 19:35.07 | daniel_John | stew yes |
| 19:35.27 | stew | daniel_John: does "getent hosts $(hostname)" |
| 19:36.25 | daniel_John | it returned > and then it hangs |
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| 19:36.31 | MolePrince | !swsusp |
| 19:36.31 | dpkg | from memory, swsusp is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ with this you can suspend/hibernate your linux system to disk without any BIOS support. late 2.4 kernel versions actually work! it has been integrated into 2.5 |
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| 19:37.14 | stew | daniel_John: you must have mistyped, the command you need to run is: getent hosts $(hostname) |
| 19:37.20 | daniel_John | stew sorry it also returns quickly. i had a typo |
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| 19:37.53 | daniel_John | stew yeah i did i rerun it it returned 127.0.0.1 localhost cpc3-seve3-0-0-cust864 |
| 19:38.06 | stew | daniel_John: does that command return quickly if you are not on the internet? |
| 19:38.43 | daniel_John | i cant tell im downloading a security update for the kernal so i cant go offline. ill try when im offline |
| 19:38.49 | filips | Hi, I have a problem with hdparm, when i hdparm -C on one of my disks, it just says that the drive state is standby, although the disk is fully active :s . What could the problem be ? |
| 19:39.16 | daniel_John | stew so if it takes a while to return then what is my problem |
| 19:40.05 | stew | daniel_John: yes |
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| 19:40.21 | Gyde | thx for the help, that was great! |
| 19:40.47 | linkslice | where do I look to see the debian version |
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| 19:41.26 | daniel_John | stew should i run apt-get remove --purge exim4 |
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| 19:41.48 | stew | daniel_John: no, if you want to replace exim4 with another MTA just install another mta |
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| 19:43.26 | xushi | do i have to update my sources.list on a clean install? I did a netinstall and the .list only has 5 entries in it.. and searching for a few apps i can't find them |
| 19:44.03 | stew | xushi: what are you looking for that you can't find? |
| 19:44.09 | daniel_John | stew the forums im checking are saying to remove it . do i need it ? |
| 19:44.39 | Eulex | daniel_John, you need an mta. |
| 19:45.07 | stew | daniel_John: you need an MTA, if you want to remove it, you have to replace it with something. if you are having this problem with exim4, there is a decent chance you'll have it with other MTAs |
| 19:45.50 | daniel_John | stew ok. so how do get over this problem? |
| 19:46.37 | xushi | stew: nevermind, i didn't notice i didn't update first :) |
| 19:46.58 | stew | daniel_John: usually the problem is that name resolution isn't working for the address the exim4 is trying to bind to |
| 19:47.00 | xushi | stew: actually, win32codecs, i can't find |
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| 19:47.20 | wols_ | !tell xushi about dmm |
| 19:47.26 | yonkeltron | when is the .24 kernel scheduled to make it into testing? |
| 19:47.43 | xushi | !waiting for info on dmm |
| 19:47.45 | wols_ | yonkeltron: /msg dpkg wir |
| 19:48.05 | daniel_John | stew I would have the foggiest on how to sort that? |
| 19:48.10 | wols_ | xushi: "debian multimedia" or "marillat" google for it if dpkg is fscked |
| 19:48.32 | xushi | thanks |
| 19:48.42 | daniel_John | stew I wouldnt have the foggiest on how to sort that? |
| 19:48.44 | kingsley | xushi: Perhaps google for: win32codecs debian |
| 19:48.53 | xushi | oh by the way, congratulate me! i finally switched my multi terabit server to debian today! =D |
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| 19:49.24 | kingsley | xushi: Which OS was it running before? |
| 19:49.28 | xushi | gentoo |
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| 19:50.59 | xushi | sorry this i have to ask, as it's the most confusing to me.. I'm assuming there's more than 1 different unofficial source list. Which is more preferable or advised to use ? |
| 19:51.11 | jimbowiki | someone know a translator software? |
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| 19:51.16 | stew | xushi: none |
| 19:51.22 | yonkeltron | jimbowiki: babelfish |
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| 19:51.35 | xushi | stew: what if i wanted to install an app that wasn't in the official archive ? |
| 19:51.44 | yonkeltron | xushi: debian mirrors are there for a reason...use the official ones |
| 19:51.52 | jimbowiki | yonkeltron: offline |
| 19:52.04 | stew | xushi: which? |
| 19:52.20 | xushi | stew, well in this example, win32codecs. |
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| 19:52.40 | xushi | yonkeltron: by 'mirrors' do you mean all of them are the same and hold the same archives? or does each official mirror have its own ? |
| 19:53.03 | kingsley | xushi: Often you can install non-standard applications by adding a new line for it to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:53.10 | xushi | stew: i'm asking because googling for win32codecs for debian, i found forums that say i have to add other to the sources.list |
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| 19:54.09 | kingsley | xushi: The you do "apt-get update && apt-get install <non-standard-application>" |
| 19:54.26 | kingsley | xushi: Then you do "apt-get update && apt-get install <non-standard-application>" |
| 19:54.32 | xushi | kingsley: can you please show me an example of how the line would look like ? |
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| 19:55.04 | kingsley | xushi: Yes. Do "less /etc/apt/sources.list" at the command line. |
| 19:55.08 | qzio | ok, i dont know here to ask, but anways: i have a small c-program that runs system("script.sh"); and script.sh runs whoami; the c-program i chmodded +s and owned by me. if i do sudo -u www-data ./c-program i get "www-data" not my username |
| 19:55.13 | qzio | have I unsterstood this with setting the S bit wrong? |
| 19:55.27 | qzio | shouldn't whoami return my username? |
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| 19:55.55 | xushi | kingsley: sources.list only has 5 lines for me. 1 cdrom, 2 ftp.be.debian.org, and 2 security.debian.org lines |
| 19:56.27 | petemc | qzio: what do you think the sudo -u www-data does? |
| 19:56.51 | kingsley | xushi: That's fine. If you want to run non-standard applications, just find out which line(s) to add. |
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| 19:57.32 | xushi | kingsley: just so that i know if i'm right or not, by 'lines', do you mean like this one? http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/86/114/ - the #codecs 3 lines section |
| 19:57.39 | akuwamari | somebody here know to use ripperx ? |
| 19:57.40 | xushi | as an example |
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| 19:58.19 | kingsley | xushi: No, the new line should look more like the ones already in sources.list. |
| 19:58.50 | xushi | forgive me for being partially blind, but that line to me looks very similar to the ones in sources.list |
| 19:59.06 | stew | xushi: usually they start with "deb" or "deb-src" |
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| 19:59.24 | xushi | stew: well, so does the one from the link i pasted.. I'm confused to what the difference is |
| 19:59.37 | stew | xushi: i don't see "deb" |
| 19:59.38 | kingsley | xushi: I expect you'll see that the lines in sources.list begine with "deb ". |
| 19:59.40 | jimbowiki | someone know a translator software offline? |
| 19:59.43 | Wolfy | Hello, is somebody in the mood to answer my question? What are the difereces between debian-update-4.0r3-i386-DVD-1.iso and debian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.iso? Where can I find what DVD or CD propose or what package dose it contain? 10 q in advance |
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| 19:59.59 | wols_ | !cd content |
| 19:59.59 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 20:00.13 | wols_ | Wolfy: update is all the updates since 4.0r0 iirc |
| 20:00.15 | xushi | kingsley: so do the lines in the link i posted above. it starts with deb, actually it's "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main |
| 20:00.31 | stew | xushi: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:00.31 | xushi | kingsley: so if i'm still wrong, then i'm confused |
| 20:00.54 | xushi | stew: 4.0r3 etch it says.. it's the latest stable i just downloaded. netinstall, amd64 |
| 20:01.01 | xushi | fresh clean minimal install |
| 20:01.02 | kingsley | xushi: That looks better. |
| 20:01.07 | stew | xushi: then you shouldn't be using a repository for sarge, you should be using one for etch |
| 20:01.43 | wols_ | not even sure if you can have w32codecs for amd64 |
| 20:01.46 | xushi | i think i didn't make something clear here :) |
| 20:01.53 | wols_ | it being 32bit and all |
| 20:01.57 | xushi | "do you mean like this one? http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/86/114/ " <------ I mean to actually visit that URL, and check the line in there |
| 20:02.13 | xushi | which is "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main" |
| 20:02.25 | stew | xushi: no, that is telling you to use a repository for sid, and you should only be using repositories for etch |
| 20:02.52 | xushi | stew: doesn't the 'etch main' mean to use an etch repository ? |
| 20:03.17 | jim | Hi. I would like some help building the package alsa-firmware (as far as uploading, the firmware itself is non-free/no source)... my first question is: is this already packaged in some flavor of debian? |
| 20:03.29 | stew | xushi: it does |
| 20:03.36 | xushi | that's good to know thanks! |
| 20:03.47 | jim | if not... there is a ubuntu package which I would like to port to debian |
| 20:03.49 | xushi | so how do i know if the repository above is official or unofficial ? |
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| 20:03.58 | stew | xushi: its unofficial |
| 20:04.02 | Wolfy_ | wols_, then if I`ll install deb. etch it`s better to install from update DVD, right? I don`t know what iirc means :| |
| 20:04.03 | kingsley | xushi: You may also want to type "man sources.list" at the command line. |
| 20:04.23 | wols_ | Wolfy_: no it's not better. you want the netinst, CD1 or DVD1. NOT the update CD |
| 20:04.30 | jimbowiki | someone know a translator software offline? |
| 20:04.34 | jim | xushi: the official one will have a guard dressed as a blue meanie (se beatles "yellow submarine" movie) |
| 20:04.41 | lunitik | jim: /msg dpkg ssb for an easy way to do what you want... just apply it to your situation. |
| 20:04.43 | wols_ | the update CD is only usable if you already have it installed and want to update |
| 20:04.50 | xushi | if it's unofficial and hence not recommended to use, then i assume there is another official repository that has win32codecs which i add to sources.list as kingsley mentioned ? |
| 20:05.04 | stew | xushi: no, win32codecs is not in debian becuase it is not free software |
| 20:05.04 | wols_ | Wolfy_: and the 4.0r3 DVD1 has all the packages you need inkl. the updates |
| 20:05.16 | jimbowiki | someone know a translator software offline?someone know a translator software offline?someone know a translator software offline?someone know a translator software offline?someone know a translator software offline?someone know a translator software offline?someone know a translator software offline?someone know a translator software offline? |
| 20:05.17 | lunitik | xushi: debian-multimedia.org w32codecs |
| 20:05.24 | kangaroo_ | Hello everyone! I installed ratpoison on Debian Lenny (from the repos), it didn't show up in the sessions list in GDM, however. How do I fix this? |
| 20:05.25 | Wolfy_ | oky thank you wols_ |
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| 20:05.36 | wols_ | jimbowiki: stop that. and this is a debian channel. stay on topic please |
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| 20:05.46 | jimbowiki | :( |
| 20:05.50 | wols_ | jimbowiki: your question is OT so don't ask it in here |
| 20:06.02 | jim | lunitik: I've done simple sid backports before... in this case, if I'm stuck with the ubuntu packaging, I'd like some help making sure the libs and other dependencies are handled properly |
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| 20:06.27 | lunitik | jim: They will be if you follow the simple sid backport guide... |
| 20:06.34 | jim | so I'm hoping it's in sid and can more directly apply ssb |
| 20:06.37 | lunitik | jim: Ubuntu is basically Debian Sid. |
| 20:06.38 | xushi | jim: argh.. but i was just advised not to use unofficial repositories |
| 20:06.42 | kingsley | Bye for now.. |
| 20:06.43 | stew | jimbowiki: please don't try to be intentionally annoying. if nobody isn answering your question, it is probably becuase nobody knows the answer. have you tried running "apt-cache search translator"? |
| 20:06.45 | SR71-Blackbird | hi everyone, is it possible to download an older release/cvs type using apt-get |
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| 20:07.09 | jimbowiki | stew: sure, but All the translatos are online |
| 20:07.21 | wols_ | SR71-Blackbird: what you mean? you can install older debian releases if you really want to |
| 20:07.30 | _ZeuZ_ | Hey guys, what's the opposite to DROP on Iptables? |
| 20:07.31 | wols_ | and you can get older packages from snapshot.debian.net |
| 20:07.43 | wols_ | _ZeuZ_: ACCEPT |
| 20:07.46 | jim | xushi: there are lists of official mirrors at www.debian.org |
| 20:07.57 | xushi | jim, thanks |
| 20:08.00 | wols_ | jimbowiki: what is in that firmware package exatly? |
| 20:08.02 | _ZeuZ_ | lol, thanks I allready ticked it |
| 20:08.02 | _ZeuZ_ | I mistiped |
| 20:08.13 | SR71-Blackbird | wols_, I mean say, the current release for something is 299, I want 200 release... |
| 20:08.29 | SR71-Blackbird | wols_, just the package |
| 20:08.30 | wols_ | SR71-Blackbird: I just told you |
| 20:08.32 | stew | SR71-Blackbird: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 20:08.35 | jim | the debian-multimedia one isn't a debian mirror officially... but items from it seem to be leaking into debian |
| 20:08.48 | stew | jim: leaking? |
| 20:08.58 | wols_ | stew: mplayer :) |
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| 20:09.04 | jimbowiki | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.07 | stew | slow leak |
| 20:09.13 | _ZeuZ_ | How can I set the default policy on iptables to drop all IPs? so later I can add an allow only if IP:MAC is the same with an ACCEPT ? |
| 20:09.13 | jim | oh, so I'm saying that like it's a bad thing? :) |
| 20:09.19 | lunitik | jim: yes, as debian-legal permit things, they'll be packaged for Debian proper... |
| 20:09.22 | wols_ | !tell jimbowiki about search |
| 20:09.28 | jimbowiki | ok |
| 20:09.41 | jim | lunitik: any idea what their stance is on the alsa firmware? |
| 20:09.44 | stew | not debian-legal, but the ftp masters |
| 20:09.54 | xushi | so i should add 'non-free' to the end of the deb/deb-src lines in my sources.list |
| 20:09.59 | xushi | that's what i understood |
| 20:10.07 | _ZeuZ_ | xushi: yup |
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| 20:10.13 | jim | xushi: and then to activate that, you do what? |
| 20:10.15 | stew | xushi: what software from non-free do you want to install? |
| 20:10.25 | _ZeuZ_ | jim: then apt-get update |
| 20:10.27 | jimbowiki | Without connection to internet |
| 20:10.28 | lunitik | stew: Well, most things at d-m.o are there because of their legal status... for instance w32codecs and libdvdcss |
| 20:10.28 | xushi | good, good, i'm moving forward ever so slowly :) |
| 20:10.46 | xushi | stew: win32codecs to start with. I'm trying to remember the others i had trouble with too |
| 20:10.48 | jim | _ZeuZ_: you let the cat out of the bag! he was supposed to think! |
| 20:10.54 | jim | oh well |
| 20:10.56 | _ZeuZ_ | jim: Oh... |
| 20:10.57 | _ZeuZ_ | xD |
| 20:10.58 | _ZeuZ_ | Sorry |
| 20:11.02 | _ZeuZ_ | wont happen again xD |
| 20:11.03 | stew | lunitik: yes, but debian-legal isn't the one making decisions the ftp masters are |
| 20:11.05 | jim | no problem |
| 20:11.12 | stew | xushi: win32codecs isn't in non-free |
| 20:11.31 | jim | I'd like to know the stances of both groups then |
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| 20:11.33 | _ZeuZ_ | stew: is that a packet? wow... |
| 20:11.37 | _ZeuZ_ | I didn't even knew there were such a GPL breaking package xD |
| 20:11.37 | lunitik | stew: Based on debian-legal consensus in this case, I thought? |
| 20:11.53 | vlt | Hello. What do I need to create a tap device for using with qemu? |
| 20:12.20 | stew | _ZeuZ_: no, it is not |
| 20:12.34 | lunitik | stew: I don't see how libdvdcss in any different from ffmpeg... and I don't see how something like what's done for flashplugin-nonfree can't be done for w32codecs... |
| 20:12.34 | stew | lunitik: not afaik |
| 20:12.47 | jimbowiki | http://sourceforge.net/projects/apertium/ |
| 20:13.04 | lunitik | Unless -legal decided it's not ok |
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| 20:13.10 | wols_ | lunitik: adobe allows redistribution, MS does not |
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| 20:13.28 | wols_ | lunitik: legally speaking w32codecs are "warez" |
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| 20:13.57 | _ZeuZ_ | lunitik: The how comes from reverse enginiering, though now a days, there are tons of libraries that are emulable... FOr example installing those communityn packages with wine-doors does the trick... Though, it's pretty lame... And you need WinZor soft to use it... |
| 20:14.00 | lunitik | wols_: Umm, no they don't... hence that package fetches it for the user, instead of providing it within the package... also see msttcorefonts |
| 20:14.03 | _ZeuZ_ | wols_: yes man, but, as anything coming from M$, it MUST be PIRATED :) |
| 20:14.08 | stew | if adobe allowed redistribution, i'd guess that the flashplugin would be in non-free instaed of an installer being in non-free |
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| 20:14.15 | lunitik | wols_: I'm not sure how... |
| 20:14.19 | xushi | stew: right.. where in an official repo would i find win32codecs in then ? |
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| 20:14.23 | stew | xushi: no |
| 20:14.23 | patrick-- | can someone tell me how i can enable crontab logging on etch? |
| 20:14.30 | wols_ | lunitik: then debian isn't violating copyright but the user using the script is |
| 20:14.36 | stew | xushi: you won't find it in an official repository |
| 20:14.47 | _ZeuZ_ | xushi: don't be lame... download a community pack, and install it with wine-doors (wine-doors.org) |
| 20:14.47 | wols_ | -> clear for debian but since it deals with non-fre software -> non-free |
| 20:15.12 | xushi | _ZeuZ_: man i'm not being lame.. it's just this is confusing to me, and it looks like i'm stuck in a loop |
| 20:15.13 | lunitik | wols_: Ok... so why can't that be done for w32codecs? |
| 20:15.19 | xushi | not trying to be lame * |
| 20:15.41 | stew | _ZeuZ_: why is using wine-doors better than using apt-get / dpkg? |
| 20:15.47 | xushi | i'm just following what i was told step by step. |
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| 20:16.03 | lunitik | wols_: And why isn't libdvdcss allowed when libmad and ffmpeg are? Makes no sense unless it's to do with debian-legal |
| 20:16.25 | stew | lunitik: becuase libdvdcss is illegal to posses in some states |
| 20:16.37 | ignu | what does the 'a-i' mean when I runn the command 'm-a a-i madwifi' ? |
| 20:16.47 | stew | ignu: auto install |
| 20:16.55 | ignu | thx stew |
| 20:16.57 | lunitik | stew: There used to be a Non-US archive... surely it's legal somewhere? |
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| 20:17.06 | _ZeuZ_ | module-assistant auto-install |
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| 20:17.44 | chops | lunitik: IIRC DVD Jon wasn't in the US when he was arrested |
| 20:17.50 | wols_ | lunitik: cause it violates a patent or whatever and debian WILL be sued if they include it. or rather the risk of a suit is deemed too high. Do you want debian to squander money against a MPAA lawsuit? |
| 20:18.04 | lunitik | stew: All I'm saying (and you kinda supported it) is that it's due to consensus from -legal, not just ftp masters |
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| 20:18.26 | lunitik | wols_: Who would they sue if they targeted Debian? |
| 20:18.41 | stew | lunitik: they would sue the people who owned the mirrors |
| 20:18.48 | stew | lunitik: -legal doesn't have any authority |
| 20:18.49 | wols_ | SPI, however owns debian.org. all ownwers of debian mirrors, etc |
| 20:19.02 | wols_ | *whoever |
| 20:19.30 | wols_ | lunitik: whois debian.org |
| 20:20.06 | jim | so -legal is simply a discussion group? |
| 20:20.12 | stew | yes |
| 20:20.30 | stew | its one that people tend to listen to, but not a decision making body in any way |
| 20:20.35 | jim | !info alsa-firmware |
| 20:20.45 | lunitik | jim: All mailing lists are just discussion groups... where legal decisions are discussed in this case... I'd bet the members of ftp master are on that list though either way. |
| 20:20.54 | jim | <dpkg> Package 'alsa-firmware' does not exist. |
| 20:20.59 | jim | :/ |
| 20:21.05 | _ZeuZ_ | xD |
| 20:21.10 | jaggz- | I moved my ext3 from sda3 to sda4 and added a new sda3 as ext2 to be the boot partition -- now grub gives no menu, but at stage1.5 says "error 15 |
| 20:21.14 | lunitik | jim: I told you what you likely need to do :/ |
| 20:21.36 | jaggz- | which is "file not found".. but i on't know what to do |
| 20:21.49 | jim | lunitik: yes I know, probably I'll slog thru that |
| 20:21.59 | lunitik | jaggz-: Tell it the correct location of vmlinuz and initrd |
| 20:22.13 | jaggz- | it didn't even get to the menu though |
| 20:22.36 | lunitik | jaggz-: hmm, cuz grub isn't in the right place either... heh |
| 20:22.41 | chops | jaggz-: Does it drop you to a prompt? |
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| 20:23.05 | jaggz- | I copied /boot/* to sda3:/ and edited sda3:/grub/menu.lst's entries so the former /boot/vmlinuz-* were just /vmlinuz-* (and same with initrd) -- now that they are in the root folder of the boot partition |
| 20:23.51 | jaggz- | (there was no boot partition before.. I just had ntfs, swap, ext3) |
| 20:24.03 | jelly-home | !why is wine not in testing |
| 20:24.04 | jaggz- | no prompt |
| 20:24.04 | dpkg | wine is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine |
| 20:24.16 | jaggz- | wish I got a prompt or the menu :) |
| 20:24.22 | wols_ | jaggz-: ther eis an error? |
| 20:24.29 | jaggz- | Error 15 |
| 20:24.36 | Eulex | jelly-home, wine is in testing |
| 20:24.46 | wols_ | jaggz-: you need to reinstall grub |
| 20:24.51 | jaggz- | "This error is returned if the specified file name cannot be found..." .. but I haven't specified a file :) |
| 20:24.53 | jelly-home | Eulex: yeah, an antique version of |
| 20:24.56 | wols_ | you can't just move grub on disk and expect it to work |
| 20:24.59 | Eulex | well, heh, true |
| 20:25.12 | jaggz- | okay, so perhaps I can mount /dev/sda4 (my ext3fs) then mount sda3 as /boot.. then grub-install again |
| 20:25.18 | jaggz- | I didn't move grub.. grub's in the mbr |
| 20:25.30 | wols_ | jaggz-: no |
| 20:25.37 | jaggz- | but I don't know how grub tracks the location of stage1, etc. |
| 20:25.45 | jelly-home | Eulex: DirectX8-based demos fail to work with it! :-) Like this one: ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/demos/groups/farb-rausch/fr-025-final2.zip |
| 20:25.46 | wols_ | only 512 bytes of grub are in the mbr. the rest is in /boot/grub/stage* |
| 20:25.54 | wols_ | jaggz-: and that part can't be found |
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| 20:26.15 | jelly-home | Eulex: this one worked, though: http://www.farb-rausch.com/fr08_final.zip |
| 20:26.24 | Tramp | only 512-2-64 even ... |
| 20:26.39 | wols_ | jaggz-: and you need to do a bit more. do a rescue boot and then do a grub-install. if you have to mount the partitions oyu need to chroot, bind mount dev/proc, etc |
| 20:26.49 | wols_ | jaggz-: what dbeian vesion? |
| 20:26.50 | jelly-home | Eulex: it told me my 2005 intel shared graphic card is almost as good as a geforce from 2000. |
| 20:26.59 | lunitik | Tramp: Can you explain that, please? |
| 20:27.05 | wols_ | jelly-home: "almost" :) |
| 20:27.06 | Eulex | jelly-home, no wonder, fr08: the produkt is quite much older than fr25: the popular demo |
| 20:27.11 | Eulex | jelly-home, hehe :) |
| 20:27.25 | jaggz- | I'm still trying to find out what grub actually does at each point.. how does it know where menu.lst is anyway? |
| 20:27.25 | Tramp | lunitik: 64 byte partition table and "FFAA" |
| 20:27.27 | jelly-home | Eulex: a year, says pouet.net |
| 20:27.46 | jaggz- | wols, etch r1, but I installed with net.. so maybe the current r3 |
| 20:27.56 | jaggz- | so 4r1 / 4r3 |
| 20:27.56 | jelly-home | Eulex: in any case, fr-08 makes for a nice screensaver. :-) |
| 20:27.57 | wols_ | jaggz-: it has a mini filesystem driver for ext3 |
| 20:28.14 | lunitik | Tramp: Is that hex, or an actual acronym? |
| 20:28.19 | Eulex | jelly-home, though perhaps a bit cpu-unfriendly? |
| 20:28.28 | wols_ | jaggz-: /msg dpkg rescue mode |
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| 20:28.36 | jelly-home | Eulex: I don't save the batteries, just the screen |
| 20:28.41 | jaggz- | the reason I separated boot from the root-fs is because grub was saying "inconsistent filesystem" .. |
| 20:28.46 | Eulex | hehe :) |
| 20:29.01 | lunitik | wow |
| 20:29.06 | Tramp | lunitik: byte 1-446 is grub, then 64 byte PT, then the literal 2 bytes "FFAA" |
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| 20:29.25 | jaggz- | yeah.. I have a good rescue cd that should work.. |
| 20:29.43 | jaggz- | www.sysresccd.org |
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| 20:29.54 | jaggz- | just making sure grub-install is the way to go |
| 20:30.10 | jaggz- | I thought that just put grub over in the mbr .. but perhaps it also stores some information on the partitions at the same time... |
| 20:30.12 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.41 | wols_ | as I said: chroot and the other stuff then. good lucj |
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| 20:30.43 | jaggz- | well, I've not used it yet.. but ok |
| 20:30.52 | jelly-home | hmm... 0.9.56-1 from unstable, or 0.9.56~winehq0~ubuntu~7.04-1 from winehq, that is the question |
| 20:31.01 | wols_ | jelly-home: neither |
| 20:31.22 | Eulex | jelly-home, simple sid backport is the answer. |
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| 20:31.29 | Tramp | lunitik: sorry, it's "55AA" |
| 20:31.33 | jelly-home | wols_: I stopped self-building wine from cvs a while ago |
| 20:31.46 | jaggz- | wait -- correction, I did use it.. that's when I used gparted to try and get debian to boot :) |
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| 20:32.07 | wols_ | jelly-home: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb |
| 20:32.09 | jelly-home | Eulex: my testing already has all the dependencies for the sid package, so ssb isn't needed |
| 20:32.24 | wols_ | jelly-home: not totally good packages but better than ubuntu ones... |
| 20:32.44 | jelly-home | wols_: that version above _is_ from that site |
| 20:32.44 | jaggz- | before touching anything other than debian I got "inconsisten filesystem structure" when trying to boot :( |
| 20:33.07 | wols_ | jaggz-: fsck it |
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| 20:33.15 | ks | if i need to run startup script but never on runlevels 016, what do I do ? |
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| 20:33.26 | jelly-home | wols_: I just happen to think a feisty or even gutsy build is a better match to testing than a build for etch |
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| 20:33.33 | wols_ | ks: don't put it into those runlevels |
| 20:33.36 | ks | is this ok update-rc.d config_hadoop_node start 3 |
| 20:33.56 | wols_ | jelly-home: good luck. have fun supporting totally yoursself. all of your debian. bai |
| 20:34.12 | ks | also will it ever run ? if "id:2:initdefault: |
| 20:34.12 | ks | " |
| 20:34.32 | wols_ | ks: /msg dpkg sysvinit |
| 20:34.34 | jelly-home | wols_: I do that already, no worries |
| 20:34.52 | wols_ | jelly-home: you don't. you ask us what to install |
| 20:35.00 | jaggz- | wols, did that.. only thing was a superblock's time was in the future (perhaps because the clock was off when I installed) .. |
| 20:35.00 | lunitik | wols_: Bit over-dramatic... testing and sid have the same environment currently... it's not like he's using a cross of stable and sid :/ |
| 20:35.28 | wols_ | lunitik: testing and ubuntu is what he prooposed |
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| 20:35.57 | lunitik | wols_: No he didn't... he proposed sid and testing... and one ubuntu package - wine. |
| 20:36.33 | jaggz- | I think it might be a grub bug.. because this debian version also doesn't show my keyboard layout preview when i want to add dvorak :) |
| 20:36.33 | wols_ | lunitik: that IS mixing testing and ubuntu |
| 20:36.35 | ServerSide | mh. I search to convert a Flash music to a .mp3, any idea? |
| 20:36.41 | wols_ | jaggz-: it isn't |
| 20:36.54 | wols_ | oh you mean the FS consitency. maybe, but unliekly |
| 20:37.10 | jaggz- | well the drives are in good shape.. and the fs seems fine.. this other guy was getting the exact same problem |
| 20:37.19 | lunitik | wols_: Umm... using wine on top of sid packages? it's not like wine is important to the OS... |
| 20:37.20 | jaggz- | grub says the filesystem is ext2, by the way -- although it's ext3 |
| 20:37.24 | jelly-home | wols_: more precisely, a package from winehq built against u. :-) |
| 20:37.24 | jaggz- | but that might not matter, of course |
| 20:37.32 | wols_ | lunitik: it has dependecnies |
| 20:37.44 | lunitik | wols_: Yes, and he's getting those deps from sid. |
| 20:37.48 | Eulex | jaggz-, ext3 is backwards-compatible with ext2, therefore grub just needs an ext2 driver. |
| 20:38.00 | Eulex | jaggz-, for what it needs to do, at least. |
| 20:38.06 | jaggz- | so that's when I split linux up into a separate boot (ext2) and root fs (ext3) .. I'll try grub-install again before I continue with this, as you recomment |
| 20:38.06 | wols_ | lunitik: it doesn't matter: mixing is not supported here. he can do it but has to bear consequences |
| 20:38.20 | wols_ | lunitik: and it's stupid since there is no gain at all |
| 20:38.38 | wols_ | jaggz-: and your /boot shouldn't be ext3 anyways but ext2 |
| 20:38.38 | jaggz- | Eulex, yeah.. that's what I figured.. just not sure why a fresh install would have an "inconsistent filesystem" -- I doubt the fs has any problems though. |
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| 20:38.44 | SerajewelKS | so i get up today and get ready to shower, and while i'm taking my shirt off i bend my neck funny and i feel a muscle in my shoulder stretch too far. i just got back from the university health services. the remedy? ibuprofen and a hot shower. |
| 20:38.49 | jaggz- | wols, good.. then I did the right thing |
| 20:38.49 | SerajewelKS | delicious irony. |
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| 20:39.20 | jelly-home | lunitik: there is a point of worry, though - I'm not checking their install scripts... which might do funky stuff |
| 20:39.23 | lunitik | wols_: I'd be fairly positive there will be no consequences, and maybe .56 offers him something he requires... maybe he wants to play a game, and is crossing his fingers that the updates Direct3D/Sound stuff is good enough now. |
| 20:39.26 | wols_ | there is no irony. hot water relaxes the muscles |
| 20:39.31 | jaggz- | this is, by the way, going to be a raid 1 mirror, using the onboard promise fasttrak controller.. |
| 20:39.37 | wols_ | lunitik: sid has .56 too |
| 20:40.02 | wols_ | heck, on budgetdedicated theris even .56 for etch. no sid packages needed |
| 20:40.10 | jaggz- | but I installed windows, then debian -- and am going to try to get dmraid installed, then add the 2nd drive and let the controller begin the mirroring |
| 20:40.19 | Supaplex | I've searched with apt-file and apt-cache, but I don't know what package contains a user mode linux kernel. Do I have to roll one on my own? |
| 20:40.20 | white_eagle | guys whenever I try to install a .deb package it says "failed to satisfy all dependencies(broken cache)" |
| 20:40.24 | white_eagle | can I fix that? |
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| 20:40.26 | lunitik | wols_: Yeah, which is where I'm confused... if he has Sid packages, why not use the Sid version of Wine? But whatever, I just didn't see the point to your statement, and thought it was kinda rude :o |
| 20:40.27 | wols_ | jaggz-: dmraid is bad |
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| 20:40.46 | wols_ | white_eagle: update it. |
| 20:40.53 | lunitik | wols_: 30% of Debian users use stable :/ |
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| 20:41.08 | white_eagle | wols_: what do you mean by update it |
| 20:41.10 | stew | 80% of statistics are made up on the spot |
| 20:41.13 | lunitik | Actually, probably less, not sure the numbers on oldstable |
| 20:41.13 | white_eagle | wols_: I said ANY package |
| 20:41.16 | stew | white_eagle: try running "aptitude update ; aptitude -f install" |
| 20:41.20 | white_eagle | wols_: even the newest one |
| 20:41.22 | jaggz- | wols, how else can I have windows and linux on this semi-software raid mirror? |
| 20:41.24 | jelly-home | lunitik: I could use sid's. However, it's often lagging behind. |
| 20:41.24 | lunitik | stew: My stats are from popcon though :/ |
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| 20:41.34 | looptroop | hello |
| 20:41.36 | bush|werk | #windows is pretty much worthless |
| 20:41.37 | k-man | im trying to get the ATI open gl rengere to work, however when i run fglrxinfo it says the renderer is Mesa GLX |
| 20:41.47 | lunitik | jelly-home: .56 is newest version upstream... .56 is in sid. |
| 20:42.00 | jelly-home | lunitik: yep. Often != always |
| 20:42.05 | wols_ | ok, when you want to boot from the raid in a dualboot setup I guess it'S undavoidable |
| 20:42.15 | wols_ | white_eagle: apt-get update |
| 20:42.21 | lunitik | bush|werk: #debian is even more useless for windows questions. |
| 20:42.32 | white_eagle | wols_: ok |
| 20:42.41 | jaggz- | I had windows on the raid, and one drive for linux -- but I was unhappy with not having the mirrored linux for my dev system :/ |
| 20:42.50 | lunitik | jelly-home: but in this case, it's a moot point. |
| 20:42.53 | bush|werk | lunitik: actually, youd be surprised |
| 20:43.18 | lunitik | bush|werk: No, I really wouldn't... I've been coming to this channel for something like 8 years... |
| 20:43.54 | xingu | lunitik: n00b |
| 20:43.59 | lunitik | xingu: :P |
| 20:44.07 | stew | lunitik: and one in a thousand of us are running on a s390 |
| 20:44.11 | bush|werk | youd be surprised how useless #windows is for windows qeustions |
| 20:44.15 | bush|werk | questions* |
| 20:44.21 | bush|werk | is what i meant |
| 20:44.23 | jaggz- | okay.. going to go take some action.. thanks for the help |
| 20:44.25 | xingu | s/for windows questions// |
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| 20:44.55 | lunitik | bush|werk: Here, you're likely to get harassed and booted if you persist... so I'm betting #windows is better than that... |
| 20:45.09 | wols_ | bush|werk: it's the same as #ubuntu |
| 20:45.10 | white_eagle | wols_: thanks |
| 20:45.12 | bush|werk | what are you talking about? im not asking a windows question here |
| 20:45.14 | white_eagle | wols_: that worked |
| 20:45.16 | white_eagle | :) |
| 20:45.17 | wols_ | just worse since it's a smaller channel |
| 20:45.24 | jaggz- | what kind of harrassment? |
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| 20:45.46 | jaggz- | what's better, windows xp or grub? |
| 20:45.49 | lunitik | jaggz-: Wrong word... just that off topic things are frowned upon... |
| 20:45.54 | jaggz- | okay.. afk. |
| 20:46.02 | jaggz- | lunitik, I know.. :) |
| 20:46.05 | t00t | true that sarge's libgnutls are outdated? >.> |
| 20:46.09 | white_eagle | jaggz-: what? |
| 20:46.10 | jaggz- | or I'd have offered help to bushy by now |
| 20:46.20 | jaggz- | ignore my twisted question on xp vs grub |
| 20:46.21 | wols_ | t00t: outdated how? |
| 20:46.25 | jaggz- | afk |
| 20:46.26 | lunitik | t00t: Everything in sarge is outdated... it was released like 4 years ago |
| 20:46.40 | t00t | wols_: well i cant compile resent sources because i hear that the libgnutls is outdated |
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| 20:47.05 | wols_ | t00t: update to etch |
| 20:47.08 | t00t | yes and i dont want to bring down my server to upgrade debian |
| 20:47.18 | wols_ | and you haven't ansdwered my question |
| 20:47.19 | lunitik | t00t: uhh... then don't? |
| 20:47.24 | t00t | plus i dont know how using ssh |
| 20:47.34 | wols_ | t00t: you have no choice. sarge support ends in april. after that: no more security updats |
| 20:47.35 | lunitik | t00t: same as locally. |
| 20:47.39 | wols_ | on a server, this is deadly |
| 20:47.51 | t00t | lunitik: locally i use an iso or cd |
| 20:48.07 | stew | t00t: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 20:48.07 | wols_ | !tell t00t about sarge->etch |
| 20:48.28 | lunitik | t00t: umm, use apt-proxy + aptitude via that local mirror... |
| 20:49.25 | t00t | hmm alright, thanks all |
| 20:49.36 | t00t | i'll go read those links dpkg gave me :p |
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| 20:53.18 | lunitik | What is that site that allows you to see what OS etc a site uses? My mind is drawing a blank, and my google skills are apparently not up to par today |
| 20:53.39 | valdyn | lunitik: netcraft.com |
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| 20:53.48 | daniel_John | hi for some reson the image my software update program has downloaded and is about to instal is warning me that it is the same as the version i already have. You are attempting to install a kernel version that is the same as the version you are currently running (version 2.6.18-5-686). The modules list is quite likely to have been changed, and the modules dependency file /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/modules.dep needs to be re-built |
| 20:54.07 | Nyle | daniel_John: its fine |
| 20:54.13 | lunitik | valdyn: I don't think that is what I was thinking of, but it'll probably be better... thanks :) |
| 20:54.18 | Nyle | daniel_John: go with it |
| 20:54.35 | daniel_John | ok will do thanks |
| 20:54.41 | Nyle | daniel_John: that is fron security updates for etch |
| 20:54.51 | Nyle | ok |
| 20:54.51 | daniel_John | Nyle yeah |
| 20:55.02 | Eulex | daniel_John, it's fine, you will just need to reboot after that for loading modules to work. |
| 20:55.09 | shingouz | wft is wrong? i have trasferred my laptop system to a bigger drive and now i would like to run lilo on it in a chroot. lilo just barfs at me with "fatal:raid_setup:stat("/dev/hda")" |
| 20:55.28 | shingouz | and of course i have to typo the first acronym... |
| 20:55.31 | jim | why lilo? |
| 20:55.32 | Nyle | shingouz: hi |
| 20:55.48 | jim | that's up to you of course... but why not grub? |
| 20:55.49 | shingouz | jim: because i am a dinosaur |
| 20:56.00 | Nyle | shingouz: I was about to ask you the same question |
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| 20:56.26 | stew | shingouz: is /dev/ populated in the chroot? you may want to bind mount your /dev from outside the chroot to inside |
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| 20:56.32 | jim | even dinosaurs like a little spice in their treetops now and again |
| 20:56.44 | shingouz | stew: good point, lemecheck |
| 20:56.46 | lunitik | valdyn: Ugh, nope... the site I'm thinking of gives info like httpd server and specific OS version etc etc, this is just saying things generally... |
| 20:57.11 | valdyn | lunitik: use nmap yourself? |
| 20:57.13 | Nyle | stew: bind it or can copy work too? |
| 20:57.15 | t00t | what is better about etch above sarge? |
| 20:57.28 | Kurin | Well the packages are from 2004, not 2002 |
| 20:57.45 | lunitik | t00t: It's going to remain secure in a few months? |
| 20:57.47 | Nyle | t00t: stable is always good, oldstable stops recieving security updates after like 18 months or so I think |
| 20:57.52 | jim | t00t: to find out, get a list of all things that have changed, and read their changelogs |
| 20:58.00 | Nyle | t00t: in fact, sarge security updates will stop after this month |
| 20:58.02 | shingouz | stew: you already managed to lose me here. "bind mount"? dev is empty in the chroot btw |
| 20:58.12 | Nyle | shingouz: thats the problem |
| 20:58.27 | valdyn | lunitik: netcraft gives info like: "Solaris 9/10 Apache/2.0.58 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.58 OpenSSL/0.9.7d PHP/5.2.2" |
| 20:58.28 | t00t | yea i know already sarge's security updates halt soon, but besides beeing more stable there arent much real improvements? |
| 20:58.30 | jim | a bind mount is mounting an existing directory onto a mount point |
| 20:58.31 | Nyle | shingouz: man mount /bind |
| 20:58.31 | stew | shingouz: mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev |
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| 20:58.52 | shingouz | stew: i see... thanks. lets try this one |
| 20:58.54 | stew | Nyle: "cp /dev/zero /chroot/dev/zero" isn't going to do what you want |
| 20:58.58 | lunitik | valdyn: I'm not seeing that, for me it's just providing a table with "linux" and "apache" |
| 20:59.05 | stew | shingouz: you'll also want to do the same with /proc and /sys |
| 20:59.09 | Nyle | I remember last time I think it was valdyn that suggested I copy the dev tree inside the chroot instead a bind |
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| 20:59.21 | Nyle | I can't remember exactly |
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| 20:59.51 | jim | would both approaches work? |
| 20:59.54 | Nyle | yes |
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| 21:00.11 | jim | Nyle: I'm now in the process of setting up my hammerfall stuff :) |
| 21:00.17 | shingouz | and now back to the chroot... lets see |
| 21:00.18 | Nyle | I remember copying then thinking, a bind could have done that same job |
| 21:00.25 | Nyle | hammerfall |
| 21:00.26 | Nyle | ? |
| 21:00.42 | Nyle | black viking metal from norway? heh I have no idea what it is |
| 21:00.58 | shingouz | stew: bingo. you just fixxored a computer |
| 21:01.04 | stew | \*/ |
| 21:01.09 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:01.10 | jim | rme hammerfall hdsp cardbus interface + multiface 2 |
| 21:01.17 | Nyle | ah i see |
| 21:01.17 | ix | not black, not viking and not norwegian |
| 21:01.29 | Nyle | ? |
| 21:01.37 | lunitik | ix: Uhh, wrong channel? |
| 21:01.44 | ix | cheesy powermetal-band from sweden |
| 21:01.47 | daniel_John | Ive just checked if the MTA hangs when I have a connection . it doesnt. only when im offline . does that narrow down the problem any ? |
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| 21:01.55 | ix | lunitik: 22:00:42 < Nyle> black viking metal from norway? heh I have no idea what it is |
| 21:01.58 | ix | :) |
| 21:02.01 | lunitik | ix: Why does #debian wish to know that? |
| 21:02.03 | shingouz | looks like i need to immerse myself in man pages again. pity i do not really have time in the foreseeable future |
| 21:02.11 | Nyle | shingouz: actually |
| 21:02.14 | lunitik | ix: Oh, nm |
| 21:02.15 | ix | lunitik: relax, I was just commenting on what he said. |
| 21:02.19 | Nyle | shingouz: I learned how to setup chrooting using !amd64 |
| 21:02.22 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 21:02.22 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 21:02.28 | Nyle | read the amd64 howto about the chroot setup |
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| 21:02.38 | jim | I want to find alsa-firmware as a debian package |
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| 21:03.01 | stew | i want a pony |
| 21:03.14 | lunitik | !pony stew |
| 21:03.15 | Nyle | stew: I can get you a white one ;) |
| 21:03.21 | Eulex | jim, there's alsa-firmware-loaders, I guess that isn't it? |
| 21:03.22 | shingouz | hehe.. kinda hard to figure that out when running an i396 here. the amd64 is not immediately obvious Nyle |
| 21:03.30 | jim | with all the times you've said that, I'd expect you'd have one by now :P |
| 21:03.31 | Nyle | shingouz: oh no of course not |
| 21:03.34 | Eulex | i396? oh wow, are those new? ;) |
| 21:03.36 | shingouz | dammit! i tpyo today |
| 21:03.39 | Nyle | shingouz: but I mean the instructions are there |
| 21:03.45 | shingouz | Eulex: yeah. i just patented them |
| 21:03.58 | shingouz | Nyle: yes |
| 21:04.01 | Nyle | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292281 |
| 21:04.03 | jim | Eulex: there is? that probably comes from the same source |
| 21:04.08 | lunitik | jim: look on apt-get.org ... if it's not there, and not in debian, use the damn Ubuntu package... 3 hours later. |
| 21:04.14 | Nyle | shingouz: basically explains how setting up a chroot works |
| 21:04.37 | Nyle | shingouz: same for 32 |
| 21:04.49 | lunitik | (via simple sid backport methods of course) |
| 21:04.55 | jim | lunitik: if you're tired of supporting people, you can relax for a few days |
| 21:05.10 | shingouz | Nyle: that thing goes onto my list of required reading. now i just need to find about 96 hours of free time |
| 21:05.12 | jim | but don't take it out on me. |
| 21:05.15 | Nyle | jim: don't worry, hes been told to chill many times |
| 21:05.16 | lunitik | jim: I'm not... I'm just wondering why you're asking the same question after it's already been solved. |
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| 21:05.27 | Nyle | jim: you should simply ignore |
| 21:05.29 | jim | I haven';t found it yet |
| 21:05.37 | Eulex | jim, it's in contrib |
| 21:05.44 | Nyle | shingouz: damn |
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| 21:05.51 | Nyle | shingouz: thats a long time to be free |
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| 21:06.11 | jim | it is? do you know in which dist? etch? |
| 21:06.19 | stew | jim: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 21:06.26 | shingouz | Nyle: yes it is and 'free time' is something i do not really have. too much to do all the time |
| 21:06.40 | Nyle | shingouz: I'm sorry for you mate. |
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| 21:06.59 | jim | stew: Eulex found it... maybe he wants to tell me |
| 21:07.12 | Nyle | shingouz: don't ignore life at the expense of work, it will bite you in the ass later on |
| 21:07.22 | Nyle | balance |
| 21:07.46 | stew | jim: ok |
| 21:08.01 | Eulex | jim, http://packages.debian.org/alsa-firmware-loaders |
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| 21:08.25 | jim | ohh, that's exactly where he went |
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| 21:08.34 | shingouz | Nyle: don't worry. this is just a minor panic with several years of backlog. i am not stupid enough to burn myself out after all that has happened to me in the past about 10 years |
| 21:08.35 | jim | Eulex: thanks |
| 21:08.48 | Nyle | shingouz: heh |
| 21:08.51 | Nyle | word man, word |
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| 21:09.18 | el_mexicano | hi there, i installed debian with the netinst image "debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso" and some prevous version on a HP DL-580G2 and got the problem that i got a realy small download rate on the internet approx. 1kb/s. I changed the NIC , the cable and the Switch. Only this machine makes trouble. Some can help? |
| 21:10.18 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a debian testing repo which links its binary packages to an older libc than 2.7?? |
| 21:10.26 | Nyle | el_mexicano: chipset? nic? what you got now, pci, onboard? |
| 21:10.41 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: um... sdo? |
| 21:10.44 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 21:10.57 | shingouz | grrr... boots nicely but has this fancy "resume: could not stat the resume device file /dev/hda5" . in reality that is the swap partition... |
| 21:11.01 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: snapshots but not really like a testing repo from debian |
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| 21:11.04 | jim | ok, got that installed... thanks... I have a source tree for a later alsa-firmware (that I didn't want to install) which also has the firmware itself |
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| 21:12.00 | stew | shingouz: yes, when you hibernate, it uses the swap file |
| 21:12.09 | jim | ok, that gives me hdsploader |
| 21:12.28 | el_mexicano | no, i got a d-link nic d-link 530-tx before I tried a 3com and a syskonnect |
| 21:12.57 | shingouz | stew: problem: this computer has never been hibernated. how the hell do i get rid of the frigging thing? |
| 21:13.15 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, :( that's stupid...because the kernel of my vserver host is RHEL with patches...these are incompatible with glibc 2.7 and break the system if you install 2.7 glibc |
| 21:13.25 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, do you know any solution? |
| 21:13.53 | jim | HardDisk_WP: changing the version of glibc is a -big- thing |
| 21:14.09 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: nothing easyily done |
| 21:14.19 | jim | if you try doing that, it could break 90% of your system |
| 21:14.35 | HardDisk_WP | jim, I often did that on my normal machine wo problems |
| 21:14.36 | stew | HardDisk_WP: either get your hosting provider to upgrade the RHEL kernel, or stick to stable |
| 21:14.42 | HardDisk_WP | :( |
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| 21:15.05 | Nyle | whasa mater with stble |
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| 21:15.08 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 21:15.19 | Nyle | what is the matter with stable that you can't use that? |
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| 21:15.28 | Nyle | why must it be testing? |
| 21:15.35 | HardDisk_WP | dunno...arent the versions in stable older? |
| 21:15.44 | Nyle | and frankly, I'm hunry i need to figure out what to eat and order it |
| 21:15.47 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, stable is generally recommended for servers. |
| 21:15.52 | jim | HardDisk_WP: is that your only reason? |
| 21:15.54 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: eh |
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| 21:16.02 | shingouz | HardDisk_WP: yes a little but stable is perfect for serrvers. it is just rock solid |
| 21:16.05 | HardDisk_WP | yeah, because I use it sometimes as build server |
| 21:16.08 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: unless you know you need a specifi feature in a newer version NOT in etch, stick to etch |
| 21:16.09 | HardDisk_WP | for my PC at home |
| 21:16.28 | stew | this exact problem always seems to come up when it is someones build server |
| 21:16.33 | Nyle | if you come across something in etch that is old for you, build it from the new source package of sid/lenny/upstream |
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| 21:16.45 | HardDisk_WP | ok...have to try it out |
| 21:17.16 | FiendishF1sh | Is there anyway to show FILTERED, OPEN and CLOSED ports on a box? |
| 21:17.23 | HardDisk_WP | btw, does anyone of you use wordpress? |
| 21:17.26 | HardDisk_WP | (the debian pkg) |
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| 21:17.39 | HardDisk_WP | since the latest update, it's on english and I cant revert back to german |
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| 21:18.24 | stew | FiendishF1sh: "/msg dpkg open ports" to get a list of ports which have applications listening to. "iptables -L -n" to see the filtering rules |
| 21:19.13 | FiendishF1sh | stew, I want to know which ports are already forwarded by an hardware firewall (router) but not running a service, I.E A closed port. |
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| 21:19.45 | jim | FiendishF1sh: do you own the firewall router? |
| 21:20.07 | FiendishF1sh | jim, Yes, at an external location. |
| 21:20.21 | stew | FiendishF1sh: do you have a list of ports? |
| 21:20.33 | jim | so you're not the person who set it up? can you ask that person? |
| 21:20.33 | FiendishF1sh | stew, A list of ports? |
| 21:20.39 | FiendishF1sh | jim, I mean technically, how can I do it? |
| 21:20.48 | FiendishF1sh | jim, I want to know if there's another way of doing it rather than check on the router page. |
| 21:20.51 | stew | FiendishF1sh: do you have a list of ports which are forwaded? |
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| 21:21.05 | FiendishF1sh | stew, That's what I want >_> how to find out CLOSED ports. |
| 21:21.22 | FiendishF1sh | CLOSED == Forwarded if it has a router but not being used. |
| 21:21.31 | jim | technically, you can ask the owner or the person who set it up. that person will either say "no problem here it is" or else "I don't know you, why the hell are you asking about something that's none of your business" |
| 21:21.48 | FiendishF1sh | jim, I want to know how to do it >_> for future reference. |
| 21:21.52 | FiendishF1sh | Not how to ask somebody. |
| 21:21.57 | Nyle | I read somewhere that port scanning is illegal in usa or osmething |
| 21:21.59 | Nyle | is it? |
| 21:22.12 | Eulex | FiendishF1sh, you could use some service on the internet to scan it... |
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| 21:22.25 | Eulex | Nyle, dunno, I'm not american |
| 21:22.27 | Nyle | grc |
| 21:22.28 | FiendishF1sh | Eulex, I think nmap does it, but I have no clue what syntax shows CLOSED ports rather than JUST open. |
| 21:22.31 | stew | FiendishF1sh: "netstat -plant | grep LISTEN" gives you a list of open ports. the ones that aren't open are closed |
| 21:22.33 | Nyle | google for Shields Up |
| 21:22.47 | FiendishFish | stew, I want closed, there's a difference between CLOSED and FILTERED. |
| 21:22.53 | Eulex | FiendishFish, note that you need scan from the _outside_ |
| 21:22.55 | stew | FiendishFish: ok |
| 21:22.58 | FiendishFish | Nyle, grc? |
| 21:23.00 | FiendishFish | :> |
| 21:23.04 | stew | FiendishFish: so i gave you the answer you are looking for? |
| 21:23.05 | FiendishFish | Eulex, Inorite. |
| 21:23.05 | Nyle | gibson research corp |
| 21:23.11 | FiendishFish | stew, No you didn't. |
| 21:23.38 | stew | FiendishFish: you want to know which ports are closed. not filtered. i told you how to find a list of open ports. any port which isn't open is closed |
| 21:23.40 | Nyle | that will scan on your external ip and give open/closed ports or stealthed if they are |
| 21:23.43 | Nyle | w/e |
| 21:23.43 | FiendishFish | stew, I want to know CLOSED ports, with netstat -plant, there's no indication whether it's CLOSED AND FILTERED, or just closed. |
| 21:23.58 | Eulex | FiendishFish, they are closed by default. |
| 21:24.05 | stew | FiendishFish: netstat -plant tells you the open ports. if they aren't open they are closed |
| 21:24.12 | FiendishFish | stew, for god sake. |
| 21:24.17 | FiendishFish | stew, what if they're filtered? |
| 21:24.19 | FiendishFish | Does it list that? |
| 21:24.20 | FiendishFish | No. |
| 21:24.31 | stew | FiendishFish: you said you don't want to know if they are filtered |
| 21:24.38 | Eulex | stew, filtered == does not answer with a message saying "I am closed" |
| 21:24.47 | FiendishFish | Eulex, He doesn't understand. |
| 21:24.51 | stew | FiendishFish: if you want to know if they are filtered you would look at "iptables -t filter -L -n " |
| 21:24.57 | abrotman | didn't we do this nmap thing yesterday? |
| 21:24.59 | FiendishFish | stew, HARDWARE FIREWALL |
| 21:25.02 | themill | [21:22] <FiendishFish> stew, I want closed, there's a difference between CLOSED and FILTERED. |
| 21:25.15 | themill | "I want closed" |
| 21:25.18 | abrotman | nmap will tell you open/closed/filtered |
| 21:25.25 | FiendishFish | abrotman, Whenever I scan it doesn't? |
| 21:25.28 | stew | no it won't, it will guess |
| 21:25.29 | FiendishFish | What syntax do I have to use? |
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| 21:25.30 | shingouz | ahh.. works again. looks like the resume-thingie had something to do with uswsusp |
| 21:25.35 | shingouz | and ping abrotman |
| 21:25.39 | abrotman | FiendishFish: you're using it wrong? read the man page? |
| 21:25.42 | FiendishFish | abrotman, <stew> no it won't, it will guess |
| 21:25.42 | abrotman | shingouz: hi |
| 21:25.44 | StAfZe6 | hi |
| 21:25.44 | FiendishFish | he's wrong right? |
| 21:26.05 | Nyle | heh heh wrong right |
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| 21:26.07 | abrotman | who is wrong? |
| 21:26.09 | Nyle | hehe heh |
| 21:26.14 | FiendishFish | abrotman, stew. |
| 21:26.16 | StAfZe6 | you tell me |
| 21:26.26 | Nyle | StAfZe6: what? |
| 21:26.28 | dkr | isn't closed and filtered kind of irrelevant? if you know that a store in the mall is closed it doesn't matter if they stop customers from coming into the mall if headed for that store |
| 21:26.30 | jim | FiendishFish: why are you resistant when people actually answer the question? why don't you try the things you're offered before you jump into some argument that is pointless before you actually try it? |
| 21:26.32 | stew | FiendishFish: then please define what these terms mean, since you are using them differently than the way linux uses them |
| 21:26.35 | dondelelcaro | FiendishFish: no, he's right. However, it's guesses are generally accurate enough. |
| 21:26.41 | shingouz | heh. looks like i should get the popcorn |
| 21:26.44 | abrotman | who is right?! |
| 21:26.45 | FiendishFish | dondelelcaro, :) |
| 21:26.46 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not like it matters anyway.) |
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| 21:26.56 | abrotman | oh .. nmap guesses .. yes .. sorry |
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| 21:27.10 | FiendishFish | stew, Closed, as in it's closed, and CAN be used without needing to be port forwarded or allowed by the hardware firewall. |
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| 21:27.22 | dondelelcaro | FiendishFish: nmap can't tell you that either. |
| 21:27.32 | FiendishFish | dondelelcaro, I thought that's the concept of closed/filtered |
| 21:27.36 | dondelelcaro | FiendishFish: no, it's not. |
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| 21:27.47 | tomd123 | so does debian have pidgin, the only thing I can find in the repositories is gaim, which is old |
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| 21:28.05 | shingouz | tomd123: debian has pidgin |
| 21:28.05 | abrotman | tomd123: in etch, it's gaim .. but it's oh so very close to pidgin .. you should be fine |
| 21:28.05 | FiendishFish | Oh dear, now nmap is showing EVERY port as open. |
| 21:28.07 | dondelelcaro | FiendishFish: the question is how the firewall or os reponds to queries on those ports. |
| 21:28.08 | themill | FiendishFish: Just for the record, my money would be on stew abrotman or dondelelcaro individually. If all three are telling you something, then my money is *definitely* on them being right. |
| 21:28.10 | jim | how is it that closed and filtered are different? |
| 21:28.12 | Eulex | tomd123, in stable, that's it. testing and and unstable have pidgin. |
| 21:28.21 | abrotman | themill: whoa .. way to spread it around :) |
| 21:28.38 | abrotman | themill: do you bet black and red at roulette? :) |
| 21:28.45 | themill | abrotman: just send cheques or donations of beer to the usual address over here... |
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| 21:28.59 | stew | abrotman: yeah, put half you money on red and half on black |
| 21:29.09 | abrotman | right .. pray it doesn't come up green |
| 21:29.10 | themill | tomd123: pidgin is in backports. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:29.12 | Corty | hi |
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| 21:29.16 | aeolist | hello, i was curious as to what happens if you have a power failure while installing packages |
| 21:29.25 | tomd123 | and another thing, does anyone know how to enable the audio head phone jack on a sony laptop? sound works on the builtin speakers but when I plugin my headphones, it doesn't work |
| 21:29.40 | jim | the same thing that happens when you turn the power off at the same moment |
| 21:29.40 | dondelelcaro | jim: whether it responds to a SYN packet or not |
| 21:29.58 | jim | so is that what fish is interested in? |
| 21:30.02 | Coweater | jim: filtered ports will still send a response, a closed port doesn't say anything |
| 21:30.07 | Eulex | aeolist, what happens depends on whether the machine still has power. |
| 21:30.08 | ks | does update-cr.d stop 3 4 5 make sense ? shouldn't it be stop 0 1 6 . ? |
| 21:30.09 | Nyle | aeolist: you reboot, and it should probably scan the fs restore journal etc., and then you can try apt-get -f install |
| 21:30.11 | dondelelcaro | Coweater: vice versa |
| 21:30.23 | Nyle | aeolist: and then resume the upgrade |
| 21:30.26 | S4nD3r | Oh... |
| 21:30.41 | Nyle | or package installing w/e |
| 21:30.55 | S4nD3r | Every time I need to use scanner, I need to change the permissions to use as USER. Is it a bug of lenny ?] |
| 21:31.08 | aeolist | ok, so it's not like dpkg has a flag or something like to resume |
| 21:31.17 | Nyle | aeolist: downloading? |
| 21:31.20 | Nyle | aeolist: it resumes |
| 21:31.26 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: it's most likely because you don't have the right udev rules in place. |
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| 21:31.28 | aeolist | no,no |
| 21:31.37 | stew | S4nD3r: are you in the scanner group? (does "groups" list "scanner") |
| 21:31.37 | Nyle | aeolist: like --fix-install |
| 21:31.52 | jim | S4nD3r: what file is it you have to change? what are the owner, group owner and permissions before you change them? |
| 21:31.56 | dondelelcaro | stew: heh; I didn't even know there was a scanner group. ;-) |
| 21:32.04 | vlt | I modprobed the tun module and started qemu which created a tap device. Any idea how to connect the tap device to a real network device (like eth0 or ath0)? |
| 21:32.09 | stew | dondelelcaro: i unfortunately had to start using a scanner recently |
| 21:32.10 | Nyle | aeolist: because the package would be in a half installed state etc. |
| 21:32.17 | S4nD3r | Theres no scanner group |
| 21:32.23 | themill | tomd123: there is probably a switch in alsamixer that you need to flick to get the headphone output. Look for a separate channel for the headphone output or an "external amplifier" switch. Fiddle with things in alsamixer until it works... |
| 21:32.36 | dkr | aeolist: a package would likely be in failed install state and you would have to reinstall. hopefully it's not a package critical to booting. this is why the release notes recommend upgrading kernel before dist-upgrade |
| 21:32.43 | dondelelcaro | stew: I've been sort of looking for one recently... I just wish the digital copiers at my library had the stupid scanner package installed. |
| 21:32.45 | themill | S4nD3r: the group is normally called sane |
| 21:33.03 | stew | looks like libsane.postinst is what created the scanner group for me |
| 21:33.04 | S4nD3r | saned:x:113:sander |
| 21:33.07 | S4nD3r | Im over there |
| 21:33.13 | aeolist | mmm, actually i am asking for a friend, he says he had a power failure while doing a full upgrade through synaptic |
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| 21:33.33 | Nyle | aeolist: so what is the problem? |
| 21:33.34 | jim | S4nD3r: do you have the questions I'm asking you? |
| 21:33.38 | Nyle | we can't give you hypotheticals |
| 21:34.07 | jim | don't hypotheticals kill vulcans? |
| 21:34.07 | S4nD3r | jim: I used to change the permission of device |
| 21:34.10 | Nyle | aeolist: try what you were advised earlier |
| 21:34.13 | S4nD3r | I dont remember now, which... |
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| 21:34.24 | S4nD3r | /dev/something I dont remember |
| 21:34.26 | aeolist | he doesnt know what package to fix... i guess he should just check /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 21:34.37 | S4nD3r | /proc/something... Im looking for my notes about it |
| 21:34.38 | Nyle | aeolist: just restart the upgrade |
| 21:34.44 | Nyle | aeolist: tell him to not use synaptic |
| 21:34.47 | jim | S4nD3r: you have to change this after you do what? |
| 21:34.57 | dkr | aeqlook for failed staus or half-installed status |
| 21:35.00 | aeolist | Nyle: why is that? |
| 21:35.00 | stew | S4nD3r: is the libsane package installed? |
| 21:35.02 | Nyle | aeolist: a simple reboot back to os, and now all you need to do is apt-get upgrade |
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| 21:35.07 | stew | it looks like libsane also adds udev rules |
| 21:35.15 | S4nD3r | jim: Yes |
| 21:35.25 | jim | S4nD3r: you have to change this after you do WHAT? |
| 21:35.26 | aeolist | ok ok thanks a lot |
| 21:35.29 | dkr | aeolist: that q was supposed to be a tab completion of your nick.:) dpkg -l |grep '^iF' |
| 21:35.32 | Nyle | aeolist: more than likely it was stopped in the middle of downloading or installing, former is fine, resume it, latter is fine too, might need to fix install first or it should tell you |
| 21:35.36 | Nyle | aeolist: tell him to read |
| 21:35.40 | aeolist | dkr: yes read that |
| 21:35.55 | S4nD3r | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
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| 21:36.02 | S4nD3r | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 21:36.06 | Nyle | stop |
| 21:36.09 | S4nD3r | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 21:36.12 | aeolist | ok relax, thanks for all the answers :) |
| 21:36.19 | S4nD3r | This is the problem showed about libsane |
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| 21:36.42 | jim | ok, you're not willing to provide requested information... maybe next time |
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| 21:37.13 | jim | I don't work for free under those conditions; my rate starts at $100/hour. |
| 21:37.14 | S4nD3r | jim: I need to change the permission everytime I need to use scanner, usually once a week |
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| 21:37.26 | stew | S4nD3r: is the libsane package installed? |
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| 21:37.35 | S4nD3r | stew: Yes |
| 21:38.03 | S4nD3r | but this is not working properly |
| 21:38.15 | S4nD3r | I guess ! |
| 21:38.19 | xushi | how do you disable the onboard speaker BEEP whenever you do something wrong ? |
| 21:38.31 | stew | S4nD3r: which version of libsane |
| 21:38.37 | petemc | !beep |
| 21:38.38 | dpkg | from memory, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 21:38.38 | stew | xushi: /msg dpkg bell |
| 21:38.42 | xushi | thanks |
| 21:38.48 | petemc | erm, thats not it |
| 21:38.49 | S4nD3r | 1.0.19-1 |
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| 21:39.15 | petemc | !bell |
| 21:39.15 | dpkg | bell is probably "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 21:39.23 | stew | S4nD3r: add yourself to the scanner group with "adduser username scanner" |
| 21:39.24 | petemc | xushi: ^^ |
| 21:39.41 | stew | S4nD3r: then logout and log back in, and you should be able to use your scanner as that user |
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| 21:39.58 | S4nD3r | Im reconfiguring libsane |
| 21:40.04 | S4nD3r | I will try it now |
| 21:40.08 | S4nD3r | just a second, |
| 21:40.12 | S4nD3r | Ill be back right now |
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| 21:40.21 | fiendishfish__ | dkr, did you get my reference to the mall thing a second ago/ |
| 21:40.41 | Eulex | guess S4nD3r already got told about !enter a couple times, eh? |
| 21:40.46 | tomd123 | !bko |
| 21:40.57 | themill | !tell tomd123 about bpo |
| 21:40.59 | xushi | do i have to put setterm -blength 0 in .bashrc ? |
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| 21:41.00 | thechef | Which is a good frontend to configure samba shares? I want to replace an old ftpserver with I need to get all permission stuff to work exactly like before, and every user logging in should start in it's own directory |
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| 21:41.13 | thechef | as root directory |
| 21:41.28 | tomd123 | themill: thanks |
| 21:41.36 | themill | tomd123: no worries |
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| 21:42.28 | S4nD3r | Came back |
| 21:42.38 | S4nD3r | Didnt work |
| 21:42.54 | stew | S4nD3r: when you run "groups" is "scanner" listed? |
| 21:42.56 | S4nD3r | uid=1000(sander) gid=1000(sander) groups=1000(sander),29(audio),105(messagebus),113(saned),100(haldaemon),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),30(dip),46(plugdev),101(netdev),103(powerdev),106(stb-admin),108(scanner) |
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| 21:43.04 | Nyle | holy |
| 21:43.07 | Sylvia- | Hello, play online with me , |
| 21:43.09 | Sylvia- | http://jugar-online.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:43.20 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:43.21 | S4nD3r | stew: Sure ! |
| 21:43.33 | Nyle | Sylvia-: ffs. |
| 21:43.33 | jelly-home | !ops Sylvia- spam |
| 21:43.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: Sylvia- spam |
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| 21:43.47 | stew | S4nD3r: what is the device in question? |
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| 21:43.54 | stew | S4nD3r: i mean /dev/?what? |
| 21:44.21 | S4nD3r | I dont know how to discover it. |
| 21:44.22 | Nyle | jelly-home: dude stew was right here |
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| 21:44.29 | S4nD3r | As root It runs normally |
| 21:44.41 | Nyle | didn't have to hilight everyone |
| 21:44.48 | stew | S4nD3r: you said you can fix this by changing permissions. what file are you changing permissions on? |
| 21:44.53 | stew | Nyle: its fine |
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| 21:44.58 | S4nD3r | I dont remember |
| 21:45.00 | Eulex | S4nD3r, strace will probably enlighten you about what device it is trying to use. |
| 21:45.02 | S4nD3r | I didnt find my notes |
| 21:45.23 | stew | S4nD3r: how is the scanner attached? |
| 21:45.28 | S4nD3r | usb |
| 21:45.31 | Nyle | usb |
| 21:45.35 | Nyle | hp psc i think innit? |
| 21:45.44 | stew | S4nD3r: can you replug it, and check dmesg to see if the device name gets spit out? |
| 21:45.48 | stew | S4nD3r: what make? |
| 21:45.48 | Nyle | one of them all in one pos |
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| 21:45.55 | xushi | is there a way through aptitude to install xfce4 without openoffice.org-gtk ? |
| 21:46.04 | S4nD3r | just a second |
| 21:46.10 | Nyle | or was that someone else |
| 21:46.21 | Eulex | xushi, yes, just install xfce4? |
| 21:46.39 | vvd | where are the xmms(1) plugins in lenny? |
| 21:46.51 | S4nD3r | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: removed |
| 21:47.01 | S4nD3r | Now I will plug |
| 21:47.28 | Eulex | vvd, xmms is being deprecated. |
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| 21:47.40 | vvd | Eulex: no way :( |
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| 21:47.50 | chops | vvd: xmms has been busted for a long long time |
| 21:47.58 | S4nD3r | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 6 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x5611 |
| 21:47.58 | Nyle | vvd: beep media player |
| 21:47.59 | chops | vvd: It's only because people love it so that it's lasted as long as it has. |
| 21:48.02 | Supaplex | ther's xmms2 |
| 21:48.17 | vvd | xmms2 isnt xmms-alike |
| 21:48.22 | Nyle | vvd: rhythmbox, amarok, exaile, songbird, quod libet |
| 21:48.29 | vvd | they all suck (cpu) |
| 21:48.31 | Nyle | etc. etc. etc., or xmms2 |
| 21:48.31 | S4nD3r | Is it what you want stew? |
| 21:48.32 | themill | vvd: upstream stopped working on xmms. It's dead. |
| 21:48.40 | Nyle | !xmms2 |
| 21:48.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xmms2 is currently in development state. check http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Download_XMMS2#Debian |
| 21:49.26 | Happylooser | Hi i have a problem with my thinkpad t 40 + debian lenny. The 3 D Function won't work! Has someone an idea? |
| 21:49.46 | Eulex | vvd, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.general/116761 |
| 21:49.49 | Nyle | what kinda video does it have? |
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| 21:49.58 | stew | S4nD3r: what brand of scanner is it? |
| 21:49.59 | Eulex | Nyle, bmp is deprecated too; abandoned upstream |
| 21:49.59 | Nyle | t40 has what gfx ? |
| 21:50.06 | Nyle | Eulex: oh really |
| 21:50.11 | Nyle | i was unaware |
| 21:50.15 | Eulex | ya'rly |
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| 21:50.19 | Happylooser | A Radeon 7500 |
| 21:50.21 | vvd | i want xmms to be alive forever |
| 21:50.31 | vvd | :) |
| 21:50.35 | Nyle | Happylooser: use the ati driver |
| 21:50.51 | Supaplex | vvd: then don't kill -9 it. ;) |
| 21:50.54 | Nyle | Happylooser: I think 7500 is supported by free ati/radeon driver |
| 21:51.02 | S4nD3r | Its multifunctional |
| 21:51.16 | S4nD3r | scsi 5:0:0:0: Direct-Access HP Photosmart C3180 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 |
| 21:51.20 | Nyle | Happylooser: use that instead of w/e you have atm, vesa w/e |
| 21:51.32 | jim | Happylooser: find out what hardware you have that is supposed to implement this thing you call "The 3 D Function" |
| 21:51.43 | chops | vvd: xmms is very nice, but unfortunately the code is a crawling nightmare. It's hard to maintain, which is why no one's willing to do it. |
| 21:51.53 | jim | precisely, exactly, completely. |
| 21:51.57 | chops | vvd: It is a sad situation :-( |
| 21:52.12 | vvd | chops: very...cause there nothing that can cope |
| 21:52.22 | Happylooser | Hey ok thanks |
| 21:52.22 | chops | vvd: nod |
| 21:52.24 | chops | vvd: Tjhat |
| 21:52.32 | jim | once you know exactly what hardware you have, you need to find the driver that supports it |
| 21:52.40 | chops | vvd: That's been my experience. FWIW, zinf was the least awful replacement that I found. I currently use xmms as well. |
| 21:52.53 | Nyle | !radeon |
| 21:52.53 | dpkg | hmm... radeon is the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html, or <radeonhd> |
| 21:52.54 | stew | S4nD3r: is hplip installed? |
| 21:53.02 | themill | !tell Happylooser about thinkwiki |
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| 21:53.14 | Nyle | ahh thats even better |
| 21:53.25 | Nyle | themill is the shit man |
| 21:53.25 | S4nD3r | stew: hplip is installed |
| 21:53.33 | Nyle | word ;) |
| 21:53.48 | Nyle | !beer themill |
| 21:53.48 | vvd | chops: audacious would be ok if it would use less cpu |
| 21:53.55 | themill | hmmmm..... |
| 21:54.21 | Nyle | I just ordered me a gyro and fries and large soda! yay food |
| 21:54.32 | rahul | yay fooz |
| 21:54.37 | Nyle | vvd: well what kinda cpu you workin with? |
| 21:54.37 | rahul | I should go to the gym |
| 21:54.40 | Nyle | vvd: ancient? |
| 21:55.00 | Nyle | rahul: im gonna join ballies in the city |
| 21:55.07 | rahul | cool |
| 21:55.08 | Nyle | my roommate did |
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| 21:55.24 | Nyle | rahul: upgrade the system yet? |
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| 21:55.27 | jim | Nyle: or you could ride your bike or walk more |
| 21:55.28 | rahul | I'm with new york sports club |
| 21:55.30 | rahul | bah |
| 21:55.35 | rahul | Nyle: stfu :P |
| 21:55.40 | Nyle | hehe |
| 21:55.47 | Nyle | upgrade! |
| 21:55.53 | rahul | actually, I was gonna spend some time researching boards today |
| 21:56.22 | rahul | gotta do taxes and summer of code stuff, too, tho |
| 21:56.29 | Nyle | rahul: I think i only have 2 months in nyc |
| 21:56.46 | rahul | and then? |
| 21:56.54 | Nyle | probably cali or houston |
| 21:57.10 | rahul | interesting |
| 21:57.10 | S4nD3r | Just root runs xsane !!! |
| 21:57.15 | Nyle | Azar's been wanting me to swing by there |
| 21:57.32 | rahul | I might be in LA every so often |
| 21:57.34 | Nyle | vvd left? |
| 21:57.35 | Nyle | damit |
| 21:57.43 | jim | S4nD3r: -yawn- have you found exact answers to my previous questions |
| 21:57.50 | rahul | for my startup |
| 21:58.00 | Nyle | L.A. or LA? |
| 21:58.01 | arooni | how do i list all the commands that occur at startup with etc/init.d/mongrel |
| 21:58.05 | rahul | L.A. :) |
| 21:58.07 | Nyle | probably not LA :) |
| 21:58.10 | Supaplex | ponders* |
| 21:58.10 | rahul | hehe |
| 21:58.32 | S4nD3r | jim: Im reading some tutorials about sane, I dont remember your questions |
| 21:58.48 | \amethyst | arooni: you could do bash -x /etc/init.d/mongrel start |
| 21:58.53 | jim | well probably it wasn't that important then... best of luck. |
| 21:58.54 | rahul | I'm not so sure if I should get a c2d or an amd |
| 21:59.04 | \amethyst | arooni: that will start it up, and also turn on tracing of the shell script |
| 21:59.05 | rahul | since the power usage figures on c2d's are fabricated |
| 21:59.05 | Nyle | then you're a tard |
| 21:59.15 | Nyle | rahul: how so |
| 21:59.22 | \amethyst | arooni: so you'll see each command that it executes, with a + in front |
| 21:59.23 | rahul | Nyle: they're based on whatever intel wants to say |
| 21:59.27 | Nyle | that is one hell of an accusation |
| 21:59.29 | Nyle | seriously |
| 21:59.36 | S4nD3r | found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0 [HP], product=0x5611 [Photosmart C3100 series]) at libusb:003:006 |
| 21:59.37 | S4nD3r | found USB scanner (vendor=0x041e, product=0x403a) at libusb:002:002 |
| 21:59.44 | \amethyst | arooni: that will actually start it up, so you might want to stop it first |
| 21:59.58 | rahul | Nyle: intel just runs some random test that they want you to look at |
| 22:00.01 | S4nD3r | scanimage -L: device `hpaio:/usb/Photosmart_C3100_series?serial=BR6AKFR0S504KV' is a Hewlett-Packard Photosmart_C3100_series all-in-one |
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| 22:00.34 | rahul | Nyle: it's like asking intel how fast their CPU is, and then they say, well, we wrote this program that runs 2x as fast on intel compared to amd |
| 22:01.04 | abrotman | rahul: ask #hardware ? |
| 22:01.21 | rahul | abrotman: what should I ask them? |
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| 22:02.05 | \amethyst | rahul: what real power usage figures for a c2d look like? |
| 22:02.05 | vvd | Nyle: 2.6Ghz |
| 22:02.16 | x_link | Hi guys! |
| 22:02.23 | x_link | How do you guys make system backups? |
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| 22:02.40 | Nyle | vvd: and at least 256mb or more RAM |
| 22:02.42 | rahul | x_link: tar.gz onto a CD |
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| 22:02.44 | s-h-a-k-a | Hi |
| 22:02.48 | vvd | Nyle: 2GB |
| 22:02.48 | Nyle | vvd: why the hell are you worried about a little cpu usage |
| 22:02.50 | Nyle | :/ |
| 22:02.53 | x_link | rahul: Okey. |
| 22:02.54 | s-h-a-k-a | I'm trying a Debian Lenny Businesscard install |
| 22:02.58 | s-h-a-k-a | what is the best server to use |
| 22:03.02 | vvd | Nyle: audacious is causing framedrops in q3 |
| 22:03.09 | Nyle | i see |
| 22:03.13 | s-h-a-k-a | cause I keep getting stuck on 0% |
| 22:03.18 | x_link | Cause I have always been using acronis True Image. It worked great with my AM2-system. But now I have a P35-motherboard and it doesn't work anymore. |
| 22:03.29 | Nyle | s-h-a-k-a: how about good ol ftp.debian.org |
| 22:03.39 | x_link | rahul: With this command |
| 22:03.41 | x_link | tar -cvvf etc.tar /etc |
| 22:03.41 | x_link | tar -cvvf home.tar /home |
| 22:03.42 | Nyle | s-h-a-k-a: or anything in your country/hood |
| 22:03.42 | x_link | ? |
| 22:03.43 | s-h-a-k-a | what country would you find it from |
| 22:03.44 | themill | Nyle: no, that's not a good mirror |
| 22:03.44 | s-h-a-k-a | US? |
| 22:03.45 | x_link | Nyle: Hi |
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| 22:03.53 | s-h-a-k-a | I'll try for the 3rd time |
| 22:03.54 | fiendishfish__ | Can anyone help me with an nmap problem, whenever I scan ANY server it shows _every_ port as open?! |
| 22:04.16 | jaggz- | neat |
| 22:04.25 | themill | s-h-a-k-a: you could pick any european mirror and it should work for you ok |
| 22:04.36 | s-h-a-k-a | I tried funet.fi |
| 22:04.38 | rahul | fiendishfish__: you probably have some "interesting" proxy |
| 22:04.42 | s-h-a-k-a | and some swedish server |
| 22:04.46 | chops | fiendishfish__: Can you pastebin the command you're running and the full output (ideally scanning a public IP so we can test the same IP)? |
| 22:04.48 | s-h-a-k-a | both didn't go over 0% |
| 22:04.59 | fiendishfish__ | chops, Sure, but it's definetly an nmap problem |
| 22:05.03 | chops | fiendishfish__: Also, if you telnet to one of the ports that should obviously be closed... what response do you get? |
| 22:05.04 | themill | s-h-a-k-a: that sounds like you're not connected to the internet at all then |
| 22:05.10 | s-h-a-k-a | its connected |
| 22:05.16 | s-h-a-k-a | cause it finds the auth dhcp fine |
| 22:05.25 | rahul | dhcp is not the internet |
| 22:05.25 | jaggz- | lan |
| 22:05.26 | s-h-a-k-a | and it goes via a network bridge |
| 22:05.27 | chops | fiendishfish__: If you don't know what's going on, why are you so sure of _that_ aspect of what's going on? :-) |
| 22:05.40 | s-h-a-k-a | I can see when it gets internet access |
| 22:05.41 | fiendishfish__ | chops, google isn't going to have EVERY port from 1-65535 open. |
| 22:05.43 | jaggz- | is def gw set right, s-h-a-k-a? |
| 22:05.45 | fiendishfish__ | That's just nieve ^^ |
| 22:05.47 | rahul | dhcp happens to get you onto the internet correctly |
| 22:05.55 | s-h-a-k-a | gw? |
| 22:06.25 | s-h-a-k-a | going to try |
| 22:06.30 | jaggz- | gateway |
| 22:06.32 | s-h-a-k-a | ftp.fi.debian.org |
| 22:06.32 | s-h-a-k-a | yeah |
| 22:06.36 | chops | fiendishfish__: nmap and google aren't the only things involved in the operation. As rahul mentioned, you may have oddness in the network between you and them, or in your DNS, or in your machine's network setup... |
| 22:06.37 | jaggz- | route -n |
| 22:06.40 | s-h-a-k-a | Fedora did a internet install fine |
| 22:06.50 | fiendishfish__ | chops, do you still want me to paste bin it? |
| 22:06.52 | jaggz- | ex: route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:07.03 | chops | fiendishfish__: Only if you want me to spend any more time talking to you :-). It's up to you. |
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| 22:07.17 | themill | s-h-a-k-a: there's nothing wrong with that mirror, it's going to be something odd with your internet connection |
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| 22:07.29 | s-h-a-k-a | yeah |
| 22:07.34 | fiendishfish__ | chops, It's not worth pastebinning it, as we both know chops, that google isn't going to have virtually every port from 1-65535 open. |
| 22:07.34 | s-h-a-k-a | but I find it wierd |
| 22:07.39 | s-h-a-k-a | cause had out of the box support from |
| 22:07.42 | jim | jaggz-: right... but that command can be run by the dhcp client in response to the dhcp server saying "your gateway is w.x.y.z" |
| 22:07.43 | chops | fiendishfish__: Okay. Good luck. |
| 22:07.51 | s-h-a-k-a | Kubuntu, Mandriva, Fedora |
| 22:07.57 | fiendishfish__ | chops, do you think it could be because I'm using openDNS |
| 22:08.11 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 22:08.26 | chops | fiendishfish__: Unless you do the things I've asked you to do to get more information about what might be going on, it's pointless for me to speculate on what might be going on. |
| 22:08.27 | themill | s-h-a-k-a: What sort of network setup do you have? You mentioned a bridge... |
| 22:08.35 | arooni | i dont know what language this is: -- Ð’Ñтавка -- ... but how do i get debian to speak to me in english? |
| 22:08.45 | jim | fiendishfish__: not provide information then expect him to respond more? wow :) chops: how much you going to charge him? |
| 22:09.07 | jaggz- | yeah, dhcp should set it |
| 22:09.08 | s-h-a-k-a | Bascially |
| 22:09.12 | s-h-a-k-a | I have W-lan |
| 22:09.13 | jaggz- | but it might not? |
| 22:09.17 | chops | jim: Heh |
| 22:09.20 | s-h-a-k-a | and a Normal Network Adapter |
| 22:09.29 | themill | s-h-a-k-a: ahh... are you trying to install over the wireless? |
| 22:09.35 | s-h-a-k-a | no |
| 22:09.35 | jaggz- | run route and it'll show you |
| 22:09.43 | s-h-a-k-a | The W-lan is connected to the internet |
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| 22:10.01 | themill | s-h-a-k-a: are you in the installer right now? |
| 22:10.02 | s-h-a-k-a | I've bridged the W-lan and the Ethernet Adapter together |
| 22:10.05 | jaggz- | what if you ping www.google.com? what times do you get back? |
| 22:10.08 | s-h-a-k-a | yes |
| 22:10.20 | themill | s-h-a-k-a: ^^^ what jaggz- said |
| 22:10.26 | s-h-a-k-a | how can I ping it from the installer? |
| 22:10.34 | jaggz- | you bridged something? |
| 22:10.41 | jaggz- | goto alt-f2 |
| 22:10.55 | fiendishfish__ | chops, I would, but my DNS has gone all screwy and can't load websites? |
| 22:10.58 | fiendishfish__ | Shall I paste it in a chan? |
| 22:10.59 | themill | jaggz-: actually... there's no ping or route within the installer is there... it's just busybox at this stage, isn't it (business card iso) |
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| 22:11.00 | jaggz- | did you say you're installing fedora??? |
| 22:11.01 | fiendishfish__ | A new chan |
| 22:11.07 | themill | !tell fiendishfish__ about paste |
| 22:11.12 | s-h-a-k-a | how do I ping google+ |
| 22:11.16 | chops | fiendishfish__: Hm |
| 22:11.20 | fiendishfish__ | themill, oh dear. |
| 22:11.26 | s-h-a-k-a | kik |
| 22:11.28 | s-h-a-k-a | lol* |
| 22:11.29 | s-h-a-k-a | :p |
| 22:11.30 | fiendishfish__ | Rubbing salt in the wounds? |
| 22:11.42 | chops | fiendishfish__: If your network is so screwy that you can't load websites... I'd address that first, and perhaps the problems with nmap will solve themselves somewhere along the line. |
| 22:11.45 | s-h-a-k-a | I know how to do it on windows, but not so familiar on *nix |
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| 22:11.56 | fiendishfish__ | chops, It only just stopped me loading websites |
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| 22:12.22 | jaggz- | i have to go to appt |
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| 22:12.40 | s-h-a-k-a | jaggz-: What is the ping command? |
| 22:12.51 | jaggz- | ping.. but it might not be there |
| 22:13.01 | s-h-a-k-a | it isn't |
| 22:13.02 | s-h-a-k-a | :p |
| 22:13.05 | chops | fiendishfish__: wireshark is usually a good place to start when debugging strange network problems. |
| 22:13.06 | s-h-a-k-a | thats why I asked |
| 22:13.11 | themill | s-h-a-k-a: route? |
| 22:13.24 | s-h-a-k-a | must I do |
| 22:13.27 | s-h-a-k-a | router add google? |
| 22:13.29 | s-h-a-k-a | route* |
| 22:13.34 | fiendishfish__ | Where's the file which you add your dns servers too? |
| 22:13.36 | s-h-a-k-a | google.com* |
| 22:13.47 | chops | fiendishfish__: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:13.52 | jaggz- | heh.. no.. you might not have route either apparently |
| 22:14.00 | jaggz- | but I have to go.. sorry.. g'luck |
| 22:14.05 | jaggz- | docs |
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| 22:14.38 | s-h-a-k-a | bah, I'm going to bed, how do I get back to the installer |
| 22:14.57 | fiendishfish__ | If I remove my OPENDNS dns IPs from /etc/resolv.conf, my dhcp will just locate my dns instead right? |
| 22:15.26 | chops | fiendishfish__: In general I believe so. gtg; good luck. |
| 22:15.37 | fiendishfish__ | Thanks :) |
| 22:15.39 | themill | s-h-a-k-a: alt+f1 |
| 22:15.46 | s-h-a-k-a | lol too late |
| 22:15.48 | s-h-a-k-a | :p |
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| 22:16.18 | s-h-a-k-a | well I'll just leave it running over night |
| 22:16.18 | arooni | how do i list all the commands that occur at startup with etc/init.d/mongrel |
| 22:16.21 | arooni | i dont know what language this is: -- Ð’Ñтавка -- ... but how do i get debian to speak to me in english? |
| 22:16.22 | s-h-a-k-a | and hope it works |
| 22:16.25 | arooni | sorry just meant the second question |
| 22:16.39 | chops | arooni: Change your LANG environment variable, and possibly rerun 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 22:16.44 | themill | arooni: in what context do you see that? |
| 22:16.50 | arooni | themill, in vim |
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| 22:17.18 | themill | arooni: does "LANG=C vim" fix it? |
| 22:17.31 | s-h-a-k-a | but if it is working its working very slowly |
| 22:17.59 | arooni | themill, where do i type that ?? put it in .bashrc ? |
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| 22:18.15 | s-h-a-k-a | themill: I don't think its working after all |
| 22:18.16 | s-h-a-k-a | :p |
| 22:18.19 | s-h-a-k-a | just did ifconfig |
| 22:18.24 | themill | arooni: no just give that exact command in your shell to see if vim is then fixed: LANG=C vim |
| 22:18.25 | s-h-a-k-a | ip is |
| 22:18.30 | s-h-a-k-a | 192.168.0.139 |
| 22:18.41 | s-h-a-k-a | it should be 192.168.1.10x |
| 22:19.10 | themill | s-h-a-k-a: that implies your dhcp server is handing out dodgy IP addrs then. Look at its logs and its config. |
| 22:19.33 | arooni | -- Ð’Ñтавка -- nopes :( themill any other ideas? |
| 22:19.36 | arooni | run it with sudo? |
| 22:19.45 | s-h-a-k-a | I'm trying to find the full install cd |
| 22:19.54 | arooni | nope doesnt work :( |
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| 22:20.20 | themill | arooni: does anything else speak to you in Russian (or whatever that is...)? |
| 22:20.28 | arooni | themill, only vim i think |
| 22:21.12 | fiendishfish | If I delete all enteries from /etc/resolv.conf, will dhcp find my dns fine? |
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| 22:21.33 | themill | within vim, try typing: :language |
| 22:21.55 | arooni | Мова (): "uk_UA.UTF-8" |
| 22:22.05 | dkr | fiendishfish: depends on whether your dhcp server provides dns servers to you when you negotiate a lease |
| 22:22.12 | s-h-a-k-a | themill: Maybe |
| 22:22.13 | s-h-a-k-a | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:22.13 | fiendishfish | I guess it does :> I'll try., |
| 22:22.16 | arooni | i think i picked that as my language or whatever when i did sudo dpkg ... cuz it looked like british |
| 22:22.18 | themill | congrats, you're in Ukrainian. |
| 22:22.18 | s-h-a-k-a | that will work better? |
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| 22:22.40 | arooni | oh noes |
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| 22:22.45 | arooni | i'm not very good with ukranian |
| 22:22.50 | \amethyst | arooni: do you have /etc/default/locale? what does it say? |
| 22:22.58 | scimmia | hi |
| 22:23.08 | arooni | # File generated by update-locale |
| 22:23.08 | arooni | LANG=uk_UA.UTF-8 |
| 22:23.15 | scimmia | is there anyone using ikiwiki? |
| 22:23.23 | stew | scimmia: lots of people |
| 22:23.23 | themill | s-h-a-k-a: you should at least be able to do a minimal install and then manually set up your network from there |
| 22:23.24 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 22:23.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 22:24.21 | scimmia | Stew: are you using it with git/svn...? |
| 22:24.25 | \amethyst | arooni: so fix that (you probably want en_GB.UTF-8 or something similar) |
| 22:24.27 | stew | scimmia: i'm not using it |
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| 22:24.34 | scimmia | ok stew |
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| 22:25.05 | abrotman | scimmia: there is a #ikiwiki on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:25.05 | S4nD3r | Nothing... Just get to use scanner as ROOT !!!! |
| 22:25.08 | arooni | \amethyst, ok changd it ; do i need to restart somehow? |
| 22:25.14 | S4nD3r | Ill give up, just use it as root ! |
| 22:25.20 | \amethyst | arooni: logging out and back in would be simplest |
| 22:25.27 | scimmia | abrotman, thank you |
| 22:25.32 | arooni | how do i setup bash so that it has vim-like abilities? |
| 22:25.37 | arooni | like hitting 0 to go to start of line |
| 22:25.48 | abrotman | hit home? |
| 22:25.59 | arooni | no :( |
| 22:26.24 | stew | S4nD3r: strace it and grep the output of strace for EACCES to see which device node has the wrong permissions |
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| 22:27.33 | S4nD3r | scanimage -L : device `v4l:/dev/video0' is a Noname Creative NX Pro FW2 virtual device: device `hpaio:/usb/Photosmart_C3100_series?serial=BR6AKFR0S504KV' is a Hewlett-Packard Photosmart_C3100_series all-in-one |
| 22:28.04 | dkr | arooni: did you even look at the man page? "+o vi options to the set builtin" |
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| 22:28.16 | arooni | dkr, man page for what? |
| 22:28.19 | stew | arooni: set -o vi |
| 22:28.21 | dkr | arooni: in the readline section |
| 22:28.24 | arooni | i dont know which man page to read under |
| 22:28.27 | dkr | arooni: bash |
| 22:28.36 | arooni | dkr, ok so now that i know that; i coulda looked it up |
| 22:28.43 | arooni | but i didnt know where to start before |
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| 22:29.56 | S4nD3r | Bus 003 Device 006: ID 03f0:5611 Hewlett-Packard PhotoSmart C3180 |
| 22:29.57 | dkr | it's annoying that firefox broke that readline functionality of emacs shortcuts |
| 22:30.05 | dkr | it used to work with netscape/mozilla |
| 22:30.14 | stew | !firefox |
| 22:30.14 | dpkg | i guess firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 22:30.25 | stew | dkr: see the part starting with stew> |
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| 22:30.35 | dkr | not ^a does annoying windows-ish stuf like highlight all, rather than go to beginning of line |
| 22:30.46 | dkr | oh, nifty. thanks |
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| 22:31.08 | S4nD3r | -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 149 2008-03-06 18:46 /proc/bus/usb/003/006 |
| 22:31.14 | S4nD3r | is it correct? |
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| 22:31.29 | AwesomeGuy | I figured out how to mount my mp3 player with debian myself lol |
| 22:31.42 | S4nD3r | and that ? crw-rw-rw- 1 lp scanner 189, 261 2008-03-06 19:29 /dev/bus/usb/003/006 |
| 22:31.43 | Nyle | AwesomeGuy: thats awesome |
| 22:31.53 | AwesomeGuy | there's a SETTINGS.DAT but if I cat it it's just a bunch of glitch characters |
| 22:31.57 | AwesomeGuy | whats that all about |
| 22:32.25 | AwesomeGuy | I wanted to hack my mp3p layer files -.- |
| 22:32.38 | S4nD3r | id sander: uid=1000(sander) gid=1000(sander) groups=1000(sander),29(audio),105(messagebus),113(saned),100(haldaemon),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),30(dip),46(plugdev),101(netdev),103(powerdev),106(stb-admin),108(scanner) |
| 22:32.38 | stew | S4nD3r: yes, that looks right |
| 22:32.46 | S4nD3r | Im at scanner group ! |
| 22:32.55 | AwesomeGuy | I bet that I could install linux on this mp3 player. |
| 22:33.15 | AwesomeGuy | even though it only has a small screen that can only display letters |
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| 22:34.37 | enouf | saned also has a group, though i have no idea if you're supposed to be in it |
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| 22:35.02 | dkr | AwesomeGuy: those glitch characters are called "binary" :) by random chance some bits happen to form ascii printable or control characters, hence the weird affect on your terminal when you cat a binary file |
| 22:35.39 | AwesomeGuy | ok, how can i decode it into something readable |
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| 22:36.21 | dkr | obtain the specs from the manufacturer? |
| 22:36.31 | dkr | or reverse engineer the format |
| 22:37.08 | Ace2016 | Hi al |
| 22:37.09 | Ace2016 | all |
| 22:37.13 | AwesomeGuy | and what bash command tells me how much ram/cpu/memory i have left |
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| 22:37.17 | dkr | you can extract just the text parts with the strings command |
| 22:37.17 | Ace2016 | i need to send my laptop in for repair with hp |
| 22:37.23 | Ace2016 | should i back it up? |
| 22:37.30 | Ace2016 | and also how do i encrypt the hard disk? |
| 22:37.43 | AwesomeGuy | why do you not want them seeing your files |
| 22:37.45 | AwesomeGuy | cp? |
| 22:37.47 | AwesomeGuy | lulz |
| 22:37.49 | dkr | take the hard drive out and keep it? |
| 22:37.58 | stew | Ace2016: whenever i send a laptop in for repair i never send them the hard disk |
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| 22:38.10 | Ace2016 | oh so you can take it out and keep it? |
| 22:38.18 | dkr | AwesomeGuy: free and/or top |
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| 22:38.57 | Ace2016 | AwesomeGuy: no the support people told me to reinstall windows, i'm afraid they'll screw up my totally perfect and awesome setup |
| 22:39.16 | Gilles | Hi |
| 22:39.58 | stew | Ace2016: what is the problem you are sending it in for? |
| 22:40.04 | Ace2016 | keyboard is broken |
| 22:40.12 | stew | Ace2016: they don't need the hard drive to replace the keyboard |
| 22:40.12 | Ace2016 | if numlock is on i end up typing like this |
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| 22:40.29 | Gilles | I have a strange bug in my debian server... when I launch vi, I have a "permission denied" error |
| 22:40.30 | AwesomeGuy | is there any way to see how much memory is left on my mp3 player and how much ram it has? |
| 22:40.35 | Ace2016 | 5f n4036c2 5s 6n 5 end 4* ty*5ng 352e th5s |
| 22:40.39 | AwesomeGuy | Gilles: log in as root |
| 22:40.58 | Ace2016 | stew: yea well they probably need and os to test the keyboard with is my guess |
| 22:40.59 | Gilles | I am in root |
| 22:41.03 | AwesomeGuy | weird |
| 22:41.04 | stew | Ace2016: is that now what it is supposed to do? that is what mine is supposed to do when the numlock on |
| 22:41.13 | stew | Ace2016: something tells me that they have an os |
| 22:41.15 | Ace2016 | i have a separate number pad |
| 22:41.30 | Ace2016 | so no it shouldn't do that |
| 22:41.46 | Ace2016 | also if i plug in an external keyboard and press numlock on it, then numlock on the laptop keyboard works fine |
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| 22:42.07 | Ace2016 | if numlock is activated by pressing numlock on the laptop itself then the problem exists |
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| 22:44.23 | FiendishF1sh | Everytime I restart my box, the internet works for a while and then stops? |
| 22:44.27 | FiendishF1sh | Do you think it is the DNS? |
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| 22:45.28 | stew | FiendishF1sh: is it working now? |
| 22:46.13 | FiendishF1sh | stew, at this moment. |
| 22:46.13 | FiendishF1sh | But I doubt it will for long ;/ |
| 22:46.13 | stew | FiendishF1sh: can you "ping 64.233.167.99" |
| 22:46.22 | stew | FiendishF1sh: if you can when it is working or not working, then it is a DNS problem, otherwise it is not |
| 22:46.37 | stew | that's wrong |
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| 22:46.58 | stew | FiendishF1sh: if when it isn't working "ping 64.233.167.99" but "ping google.com" doesn't, it is a dns problem |
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| 22:47.07 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:47.11 | stew | i can't type, i'm going to go get a beer |
| 22:47.13 | plooper | hullo, how do I las sort by date? |
| 22:47.16 | plooper | ls |
| 22:47.18 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 22:47.27 | stew | not a lager |
| 22:47.28 | abrotman | plooper: man ls .. it's in there |
| 22:47.34 | stew | plooper: ls -t |
| 22:47.40 | plooper | stew :) |
| 22:48.07 | abrotman | it will relax his fingers! |
| 22:48.09 | plooper | see I was searching for date, not modification :) |
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| 22:48.33 | lunitik | abrotman: Yes, it will also cause keys to jump and generally make fun of him :( |
| 22:48.41 | abrotman | they keys will make fun of him? |
| 22:48.44 | abrotman | the keys |
| 22:49.22 | stew | lunitik: the plan was to get a beer INSTEAD of typing |
| 22:49.27 | zinx | plooper: i believe i'd have searched for 'sort', and not given up just because the search function didn't find anything... it *is* possible to read stuff without first jumping to only the section you need :/ |
| 22:49.38 | lunitik | stew: ohhh... :) |
| 22:49.49 | FiendishF1sh | stew, it's b0rked again :< |
| 22:50.04 | stew | FiendishF1sh: does "ping 64.233.167.99" work? |
| 22:50.12 | FiendishF1sh | No :< |
| 22:50.17 | FiendishF1sh | Or it's going SUPER slow/ |
| 22:50.26 | stew | FiendishF1sh: its not a dns problem. can you show us the output of "route -n" ? |
| 22:50.33 | stew | FiendishF1sh: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:50.39 | FiendishF1sh | StereoSkit, dude. |
| 22:50.43 | lunitik | paste.debian.net |
| 22:50.44 | FiendishF1sh | "use a pastebin" |
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| 22:50.51 | FiendishF1sh | stew, How can I >_> |
| 22:51.02 | stew | !pastebin |
| 22:51.02 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 22:51.10 | FiendishF1sh | stew, ... |
| 22:51.12 | dto | i'm a bit confused about cups. i got cups working with my printer, and it sends a test page correctly, but there is no lpr command. I did apt-get install lpr, which installs the command, but it just sits in the queue. what am i doing wrong? |
| 22:51.13 | FiendishF1sh | How can I use a pastebin >_< |
| 22:51.13 | stew | FiendishF1sh: ^^^ those sites should be self explanitory |
| 22:51.15 | lunitik | FiendishF1sh: Can you ping machines in the LAN? |
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| 22:51.20 | stew | FiendishF1sh: i don't understand the question then |
| 22:51.24 | FiendishF1sh | stew, I told you, I can't visit ANY websites |
| 22:51.33 | FiendishF1sh | Thus I can't pastebin anything. |
| 22:51.35 | stew | FiendishF1sh: irc works but not port 80? |
| 22:51.41 | FiendishF1sh | stew, yep., |
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| 22:51.48 | FiendishF1sh | umm lunitik |
| 22:52.13 | FiendishF1sh | lunitik, I don't think I can. |
| 22:52.18 | abrotman | try it |
| 22:52.27 | stew | FiendishF1sh: what happens when you run "telnet 64.233.167.99 80" do you get a connection? connection refused? timeout? |
| 22:52.28 | lunitik | FiendishF1sh: Don't think when you can do >:| |
| 22:52.49 | FiendishF1sh | lunitik, I haven't got any running machines on the lan atm |
| 22:52.58 | lunitik | FiendishF1sh: Turn one on? |
| 22:53.07 | lunitik | Wait... you're on IRC? |
| 22:53.09 | FiendishF1sh | lunitik, Lappy isn't working atm :< |
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| 22:54.08 | stew | FiendishF1sh: are you IRCing from the machine that has the problem or a different machine? |
| 22:54.16 | FiendishF1sh | stew, a problem. |
| 22:54.20 | FiendishF1sh | Now my xbox 360 has b0rked. |
| 22:54.30 | FiendishF1sh | stew, Let me try restart the modem and router. |
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| 22:54.37 | FiendishF1sh | brb. |
| 22:54.48 | lunitik | FiendishF1sh: iptables -l ... is there a deny for port 80? (doesn't make sense that that would only work SOMETIMES though? |
| 22:54.50 | lunitik | ) |
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| 22:54.57 | thechef | where are dhcp leases saved usually? |
| 22:55.40 | dkr | /var/lib/dhcp |
| 22:55.48 | stew | or /var/lib/dhcp3 |
| 22:56.00 | thechef | Thank you |
| 22:56.20 | themill | so many pebkac disasters in one night |
| 22:56.37 | abrotman | lunitik: -L ? |
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| 22:57.00 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... yes |
| 22:57.20 | lunitik | abrotman: He left before reading though, so no harm done :) |
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| 22:58.04 | fiendishfish | I've restarted the computer, router, browser. |
| 22:58.06 | fiendishfish | modem* |
| 22:58.12 | fiendishfish | Now lets see how long it works for. |
| 22:58.27 | manic12 | anybody here know about glx? specifically getting a glx 1.3 implementation to run on unbuntu? |
| 22:58.33 | abrotman | manic12: #ubuntu please |
| 22:58.34 | lunitik | FiendishF1sh: iptables -L ... is there a deny for port 80? (doesn't make sense that that would only work SOMETIMES though? |
| 22:58.44 | stew | manic12: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 22:58.52 | manic12 | noone there can help me abrotman |
| 22:59.02 | abrotman | manic12: then install debian, then we'll help |
| 22:59.09 | lunitik | manic12: That is certainly not #debian 's fault... |
| 22:59.13 | stew | manic12: try a ubuntu specific forum or mailing list |
| 22:59.31 | fiendishfish | lunitik, I've not got around to setting up iptables yet :) |
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| 22:59.41 | manic12 | does anybody know about glx 1.3 implementations compatible with debian? |
| 22:59.55 | abrotman | manic12: don't play games, go to #ubuntu |
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| 23:00.07 | themill | manic12: you're either a troll or stupid. you've had your answer. |
| 23:00.08 | fiendishfish | lunitik, this is bloody weird: It all seems to only go wrong when I nmap www.google.com |
| 23:00.12 | manic12 | they sent me here |
| 23:00.15 | fiendishfish | LOL |
| 23:00.21 | pgpkeys | riiight |
| 23:00.31 | abrotman | manic12: and we're telling you to go to #ubuntu .. please don't argue |
| 23:00.42 | lunitik | manic12: we're sending you back, tell them "they don't want me" |
| 23:00.44 | manic12 | i'm in ubuntu check for yourself |
| 23:00.48 | S4nD3r | how to run xsane as user, but using root count ? |
| 23:00.55 | fiendishfish | manic12, Well stop talking about it here then. |
| 23:00.58 | S4nD3r | in gnome |
| 23:01.03 | S4nD3r | what to put in shortcut? |
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| 23:01.07 | pgpkeys | manic12: then ask THERE, not HERE |
| 23:01.12 | S4nD3r | sudo ? |
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| 23:01.23 | lunitik | S4nD3r: Probably 'gksu foo' |
| 23:01.25 | carlos654 | hi there, "http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy-5.html" tells me how to set the network to transparent proxy, but, how may I set it only for a port range 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.100 and let the rest have direct access to the internet without any squid? thanks |
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| 23:01.28 | manic12 | if there is a glx 1.3 implementation for my configuration then maybe I should install debian |
| 23:01.31 | pgpkeys | pretty simple. what channel you sit in has nothing to do with whether this channel will support ubuntu or not |
| 23:01.31 | stew | fiendishfish: it would make sense for a firewall to decide to limit your access when you start portscanning people |
| 23:01.43 | fiendishfish | stew, I've got no firewall running |
| 23:01.55 | pgpkeys | get the source to glk and build it against YOUR install |
| 23:01.57 | pgpkeys | simple |
| 23:02.00 | lunitik | S4nD3r: gksudo |
| 23:02.06 | S4nD3r | lunitik: great gksu |
| 23:02.10 | Tramp | fiendishfish: with the nmap you may screw your router's NAT tables. Why are you nmapping Google?? |
| 23:02.26 | fiendishfish | Tramp, to elaborate on a NMAP issue I'm having. |
| 23:02.32 | manic12 | is there an x channel? |
| 23:02.33 | stew | fiendishfish: there are several between you and the internet |
| 23:02.36 | pgpkeys | what? I have *never* seen nmap screw up a router's nat table. |
| 23:02.37 | pgpkeys | ever |
| 23:02.39 | lunitik | manic12: #xorg |
| 23:02.39 | Tramp | fiendishfish: never run nmap when behind a NAT router. It fucks it up. |
| 23:02.46 | fiendishfish | :o |
| 23:02.47 | stew | manic12: #xorg |
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| 23:02.52 | S4nD3r | stew: ready !!! |
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| 23:03.04 | S4nD3r | stew: Now I get use my scanner !!!! |
| 23:03.04 | lunitik | stew: That beer seems to be effecting you already :P |
| 23:03.15 | fiendishfish | Tramp, do you think that would explain why everytime I scan ANY server, it shows EVERY port as open? |
| 23:03.20 | pgpkeys | oh bullshit it does. it's never fucked up ANY nat router I have EVER used since nmap was first released! |
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| 23:03.40 | Tramp | pgpkeys: it makes no sense to scan from behind a NAT router. |
| 23:03.51 | fiendishfish | pgpkeys, I can't ping any server, only use irc :< |
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| 23:04.08 | S4nD3r | stew: As root works well, then, I will run it always as root!!!! Thanks for awhile] |
| 23:04.15 | Tramp | fiendishfish: don't scan from behind a NAT router. it makes no sense. |
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| 23:04.20 | pgpkeys | Tramp: uhh yes it does. it makes perfect sense since the returned data uses the external IP (which the router maps just fine on outgoing AND incoming packets. |
| 23:04.28 | fiendishfish | lunitik, Honestly :'< |
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| 23:04.34 | stew | S4nD3r: if it doesn't work as user, then strace it, and see what file you don't have access to (will show up in strace as EACCES) |
| 23:04.42 | fiendishfish | lunitik, As soon as I nmap'd google, everything went wrong, can't access ANY websites, can't ping. |
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| 23:04.45 | fiendishfish | etc. |
| 23:04.57 | S4nD3r | I dont know what is strace !!! |
| 23:05.01 | lunitik | fiendishfish: Try again without using nmap :/ |
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| 23:05.09 | lunitik | S4nD3r: use it and see for yourself |
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| 23:05.26 | fiendishfish | It worked fine with my old router :< |
| 23:05.29 | fiendishfish | This linksys is faill. |
| 23:05.32 | lunitik | S4nD3r: or apt-cache show strace if you're paranoid |
| 23:05.43 | Tramp | pgpkeys: you don't know, how the router behaves. It may have e.g. only 4k entries for half-open connections. So the result is random. |
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| 23:06.01 | S4nD3r | strace is a commandline |
| 23:06.04 | S4nD3r | ummm |
| 23:06.13 | themill | omg no! |
| 23:06.14 | pgpkeys | yeah that's right tramp I don't know a damn thing. yup yup |
| 23:06.24 | lunitik | S4nD3r: Uhh... most useful things are. |
| 23:06.30 | fiendishfish | Heh. |
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| 23:06.36 | S4nD3r | I didnt know this one |
| 23:06.41 | pgpkeys | man strace |
| 23:06.46 | pgpkeys | strace -h |
| 23:06.49 | fiendishfish | Tramp, I'll try it with a DIFFERENT router later. |
| 23:07.02 | lunitik | S4nD3r: GUI stuff is so people can use their mouse and look at pretty pictures while getting nothing done. |
| 23:07.06 | fiendishfish | To fix this mess,, I guess I'll have to restart for the ~8th time. |
| 23:07.21 | fiendishfish | lunitik, Or for lazy people. |
| 23:07.34 | fiendishfish | Who are essentially still getting the job done, but without remembering syntax etc. |
| 23:07.45 | lunitik | fiendishfish: Lazy people do smart things... because they're too lazy to go the long route. |
| 23:07.52 | fiendishfish | :> |
| 23:07.55 | lindenle | Where is a good channel to ask about hardware? i.e. I am looking for a new laptop mouse... |
| 23:08.04 | fiendishfish | lunitik, That's a broad assumption. |
| 23:08.07 | lunitik | lindenle: umm... #hardware ? |
| 23:08.11 | pgpkeys | hehe I use commandline almost all the time, and I *still* have to check man pages and -h even after almost 20 years doing this crap |
| 23:08.41 | S4nD3r | lunitik: Of course !!! |
| 23:08.43 | fiendishfish | lunitik, for example: Using an nmap-gtk is plain lazy to me. |
| 23:08.43 | lunitik | pgpkeys: I don't think ANYONE has EVERY man page memorized... that's what /foo is for |
| 23:08.51 | pgpkeys | :) |
| 23:09.00 | lindenle | lunitik: thanks...I'm a bit sleepy |
| 23:09.03 | lunitik | s/EVERY/EVER/ |
| 23:09.32 | lunitik | S4nD3r: lose the multiple exclamation points. |
| 23:09.41 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 23:09.41 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 23:09.46 | lunitik | !lol |
| 23:09.46 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 23:10.00 | lunitik | !ok |
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| 23:10.15 | lunitik | There used to be something for that too :S |
| 23:12.12 | Nyle | dpkg say lol |
| 23:12.12 | dpkg | lol |
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| 23:13.00 | lunitik | haha |
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| 23:13.49 | Nyle | what a a juggalo |
| 23:13.53 | Nyle | a fucking lunitik |
| 23:13.58 | Nyle | somebody with a rope tied to his dick |
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| 23:14.05 | Nyle | jumps out a 3 story window |
| 23:14.14 | Nyle | thats is a juggalo |
| 23:14.56 | dto | i'm a bit confused about cups. i got cups working with my printer, and it sends a test page correctly, but there is no lpr command. I did apt-get install lpr, which installs the command, but it just sits in the queue. what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:14.58 | Nyle | I guess its quiet cuz people left to go home? |
| 23:15.18 | dto | i think i might be installing the wrong package, but i'm not sure how to get the "cupsy" versions of lpr |
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| 23:15.48 | themill | dto: cupsys-bsd contains usr/bin/lpr |
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| 23:16.35 | Nyle | !info freepats |
| 23:16.37 | dpkg | freepats: (Free patch set for MIDI audio synthesis), section sound, is optional. Version: 20060219-1 (sid), Packaged size: 28289 kB, Installed size: 33224 kB |
| 23:16.48 | Nyle | !depends timidify |
| 23:16.50 | Nyle | !depends timidity |
| 23:16.55 | dpkg | timidity: depends on freepats, libartsc0 (>= 1.5.0-1), libasound2 (>> 1.0.14), libaudio2, libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.35), libflac8, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libjack0 (>= 0.103.0), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libogg0 (>= 1.0rc3), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libsm6, libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.2), libvorbisenc2 (>= 1.1.2), libx11-6, libxext6, libxmu6, libxt6, lsb-base (>= ... |
| 23:17.06 | Nyle | why does it depend on freepats |
| 23:17.24 | Nyle | iirc it used to be optional at one point, recommended |
| 23:17.27 | Nyle | I think in sarge maybe |
| 23:17.54 | craigevil | i was recommended last time i installed it in sid a yr or so ago |
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| 23:18.01 | stew | probably because so many people complained that timidity didn't work until you installe dit |
| 23:18.10 | Nyle | stew: i see |
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| 23:18.14 | dto | themill: ah, thanks |
| 23:18.33 | themill | dto: np |
| 23:19.09 | stew | Nyle: its recommends: |
| 23:19.15 | S4nD3r | finally, now I have a problem... xsane do not works anymore neither as root |
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| 23:19.43 | Nyle | stew: Depends: freepats |
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| 23:19.57 | dto | themill: it still does nothing when I print |
| 23:19.58 | S4nD3r | lol... Im getting crazy |
| 23:20.04 | dto | themill: the test page works though |
| 23:20.10 | S4nD3r | Sorry, my baby turned off scanner !!! |
| 23:20.13 | stew | Nyle: oh, its Recommends in etch |
| 23:20.15 | Nyle | stew: oh I see what you are saying, yes I meant optional as in 'recommended; |
| 23:20.18 | S4nD3r | sorry for ! |
| 23:20.18 | Nyle | stew: oh |
| 23:20.36 | Nyle | ok wait |
| 23:20.51 | Nyle | so 'rec..' was chagned to 'sugg..; in non etch |
| 23:21.17 | Nyle | recommended == suggested? |
| 23:21.25 | Nyle | whats goin on I'm suddenly all airheaded and confusd |
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| 23:21.52 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 23:21.55 | Nyle | nm |
| 23:21.58 | Nyle | got it |
| 23:22.01 | Nyle | KomiaPoika: hi |
| 23:22.58 | KomiaPoika | i have a debian system on a hard drive and installed windows on a second drive. windows destroyed lilo. now i want to reinstall lilo so i can access both systems and went into a shell from the install cd. i can mount /dev/sda1 and see my kernels. what command line must i use to make lilo reclaim the boot disk mbr? |
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| 23:23.07 | Nyle | !restore mbr |
| 23:23.12 | Nyle | !fix mbr |
| 23:23.23 | KomiaPoika | hm |
| 23:23.25 | Nyle | goddamit hang on |
| 23:23.29 | Nyle | lilo? |
| 23:23.44 | KomiaPoika | lilo or grub whatever works i'll be happy with |
| 23:23.49 | Nyle | well |
| 23:23.50 | Nyle | ok |
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| 23:23.56 | themill | !mbr |
| 23:23.56 | dpkg | mbr is probably the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda" |
| 23:23.57 | Nyle | you got a live cd |
| 23:24.00 | KomiaPoika | i only have debian install cd |
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| 23:24.05 | Nyle | ok |
| 23:24.06 | enouf | !fixmbr |
| 23:24.06 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 23:24.11 | Nyle | oh no space |
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| 23:24.19 | Nyle | this si grub specific |
| 23:24.29 | Nyle | follow the same except install lilo |
| 23:24.29 | KomiaPoika | i'll try this |
| 23:24.41 | themill | dpkg: mbr is also ask me about <fixmbr> |
| 23:24.41 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 23:24.44 | Nyle | I dunno never tried to use debian cd for rescue |
| 23:24.56 | Nyle | live cd only |
| 23:25.02 | daniel_John | where can I find the program iceweasel on etch |
| 23:25.08 | enouf | it has a rescue and rescuegui mode |
| 23:25.13 | Nyle | daniel_John: iceweasel |
| 23:25.17 | KomiaPoika | so i must do the fixmbr response but install lilo instead of grub? |
| 23:25.22 | Nyle | KomiaPoika: yes |
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| 23:25.43 | Nyle | KomiaPoika: OR |
| 23:26.00 | Nyle | KomiaPoika: actually what might be another option is to use grub4dos or grub for NT |
| 23:26.27 | lunitik | daniel_John: You can't, it was still firefox |
| 23:26.28 | Nyle | KomiaPoika: install c:\grldr *grub boot loader* and c:\menu.lst, create entry in c:\boot.ini to load c:\grldr |
| 23:26.30 | daniel_John | nyle where would it be ? |
| 23:26.41 | Nyle | daniel_John: google it |
| 23:26.50 | Nyle | daniel_John: if you can't do the chroot fixmbr |
| 23:26.56 | daniel_John | sorry i mean on my etch system |
| 23:26.58 | themill | !wayttd daniel_John |
| 23:26.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, daniel_John? |
| 23:27.03 | Nyle | use grub for NT, in the c:\menu.lst specify location of grub |
| 23:27.10 | KomiaPoika | it's windows xp |
| 23:27.20 | lunitik | themill: Iceweasel was after Etch, correct? |
| 23:27.25 | Nyle | KomiaPoika: xp is nt5 |
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| 23:27.29 | Nyle | fyi |
| 23:27.37 | themill | !info iceweasel etch |
| 23:27.39 | daniel_John | im trying to create a new iceweasel profile . |
| 23:27.40 | Nyle | !info iceweasel etch |
| 23:27.41 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.12-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 8883 kB, Installed size: 26292 kB |
| 23:27.46 | Nyle | seriously |
| 23:27.47 | themill | !lose Nyle |
| 23:27.47 | dpkg | Nyle: You Lose. |
| 23:27.57 | Nyle | oh |
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| 23:28.09 | Nyle | godamit themill im gonna hurt you |
| 23:28.10 | Nyle | stop being so fast |
| 23:28.13 | Nyle | your so fas |
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| 23:28.20 | enouf | 5.1 |
| 23:28.21 | Nyle | you make fast people look no so fast |
| 23:28.29 | lunitik | daniel_John: perhaps you want dpkg -L iceweasel ? |
| 23:28.37 | enouf | even as a wintendo weenie loather, i know that |
| 23:28.45 | craigevil | iceweasel -profilemanager |
| 23:29.12 | daniel_John | lunitik, i have iceweasel but i need to create a new profile |
| 23:29.22 | Nyle | daniel_John: so create it |
| 23:29.31 | themill | daniel_John: ^^ what craigevil said |
| 23:29.32 | Nyle | daniel_John: it would be easiest if you isntalled a profile managing extension |
| 23:29.39 | Nyle | seriously |
| 23:29.43 | lunitik | daniel_John: that would at least answer "where is iceweasel on my etch system?"... although the answer is never simple on Unix systems :D |
| 23:29.43 | Nyle | think about it |
| 23:29.44 | Nyle | ... |
| 23:29.51 | daniel_John | ahh nyle ok . |
| 23:29.53 | craigevil | daniel_John: in a terminal do iceweasel -profilemanger then click Create New |
| 23:30.09 | Nyle | oh and btw |
| 23:30.18 | inFw | Hello.. Is there any way I can "downgrade" a desktop install to server install ? Other than going through the package list myself, that is? |
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| 23:30.19 | Nyle | google toolbar don't work in assweasel |
| 23:30.26 | Nyle | until you change the fucking useragent to firefox |
| 23:30.32 | Nyle | google wont let you install |
| 23:30.37 | enouf | tasksel? |
| 23:30.37 | lunitik | !tell inFw about downgrade |
| 23:30.44 | Nyle | which is fucking stupid yet not |
| 23:30.46 | enouf | inFw: tasksel |
| 23:30.52 | mignish | Does anyone know if you can boot a live distro like Slax from an encrypted USB stick like this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233027 |
| 23:30.58 | inFw | thank you |
| 23:31.04 | themill | inFw: you want to get rid of "desktop" apps? you can remove xserver-xorg and /msg dpkg remove gnome |
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| 23:31.05 | daniel_John | craigevil, that brings me an about iceweasel page |
| 23:31.26 | inFw | themill, exactly |
| 23:31.32 | enouf | themill: tasksel is perfect for what they want, it would seem |
| 23:31.41 | inFw | I shouldn't have used "downgrade" |
| 23:31.42 | Nyle | inFw: --task-packages is what you need, you can try to give that list to aptitude remove |
| 23:31.45 | craigevil | daniel_John: opens the profilemanager for me |
| 23:31.47 | Nyle | or apt-et remove |
| 23:31.51 | Nyle | inFw: its not a downgrade per se |
| 23:32.03 | themill | enouf: does that work in tasksel? (I loathe tasksel so never use it) |
| 23:32.09 | Nyle | inFw: down'grade' specifically means downgraing package versions to the previous major ones |
| 23:32.22 | Nyle | inFw: this is more like switching roles |
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| 23:32.41 | daniel_John | craigevil, ok what is the program directory of iceweasel |
| 23:32.43 | inFw | Nyle, hence the "" around it, I just meant remove unneeded packages.. |
| 23:32.44 | enouf | tasksel --task-packages desktop (or similar) .. me too themill , but great for this meta pkg stuff, it seems |
| 23:32.58 | lunitik | Can just 'aptitude purge whateveryoutypedtoinstallgnome' ... then it'll remove the rest cuz it wasn't explicitly installed. |
| 23:32.58 | inFw | I'll look into task-sel and --task-packages, then. Thank you |
| 23:33.02 | themill | enouf: nice |
| 23:33.04 | Nyle | themill: tasksel isn't bad |
| 23:33.14 | enouf | tasksel --list-tasks themill , etc |
| 23:33.19 | Nyle | themill: customize it to your own package lists and keep that around |
| 23:33.21 | Nyle | etc. |
| 23:33.38 | cernui | Hi! I have modprobe in infinite loop probing an inexisting soundcard (etch). Any hint? |
| 23:33.54 | Nyle | cernui: how? |
| 23:33.56 | cernui | This is during init |
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| 23:34.07 | lunitik | cernui: ctrl+c? |
| 23:34.12 | enouf | themill: funny thing is, in my manpages for tasksel i s not mentioned say "kde-desktop" as a task - yet check out the files it references |
| 23:34.14 | Nyle | cernui: single user mode and maybe blacklist it |
| 23:34.20 | lunitik | cernui: init is just another script. |
| 23:34.22 | enouf | er |
| 23:34.36 | lunitik | Well, no... but umm... it runs a bunch of them... yeah |
| 23:34.43 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 23:34.52 | mignish | Anybody know if you can boot a live distro from a USB stick that huses encryption? |
| 23:34.56 | enouf | yeah, i got that right |
| 23:35.01 | Nyle | !install kde |
| 23:35.01 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 23:35.08 | Nyle | hmm |
| 23:35.17 | Nyle | enouf: what are you saying? |
| 23:35.18 | craigevil | mignish: take a look at pendrivelinux.com |
| 23:35.32 | enouf | file:///usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc |
| 23:35.33 | mignish | Alright. I'll see what I can find there. Thanks. |
| 23:35.37 | enouf | Nyle: ^^^^^ |
| 23:35.41 | bendover | hello... i was recently trying to install a webcam driver, and i get the an error saying that it depends on linux-image-generic |
| 23:35.58 | Nyle | enouf: ? |
| 23:36.09 | enouf | Nyle: i mean it's not listed as a choice when ne does --list-tasks |
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| 23:36.16 | enouf | s/ne/one |
| 23:36.16 | Nyle | it wont' be |
| 23:36.21 | lunitik | bendover: aptitude install module-assistant ... (worst case scenario, it automatically installs what you actually need) |
| 23:36.22 | enouf | why not? |
| 23:36.33 | enouf | look at the pkgs, lols |
| 23:36.33 | Nyle | because its not configured by default like that |
| 23:36.38 | enouf | why not? |
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| 23:36.40 | Nyle | I am aware |
| 23:36.43 | Nyle | #debian-kde |
| 23:36.50 | Nyle | maybe #debian-boot |
| 23:36.52 | arooni | what is the opposite of: sudo /usr/sbin/update-rc.d mongrel |
| 23:36.53 | lunitik | bendover: then try m-a a-i whatever-module |
| 23:36.56 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 23:36.57 | enouf | Nyle: dude, it's a legitimate "task" |
| 23:37.00 | Nyle | I have no idea |
| 23:37.01 | arooni | how to disable it |
| 23:37.02 | Nyle | enouf: I am aware |
| 23:37.08 | enouf | it seems not |
| 23:37.17 | enouf | if it is, it should be listed |
| 23:37.25 | enouf | as an option |
| 23:37.53 | enouf | install tasks=standard,kde-desktop <-- i way to install kde with no Gnome |
| 23:37.58 | daniel_John | how do I find out where iceweasel is installed on etch ? |
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| 23:38.48 | enouf | Description: Desktop environment This task provides basic desktop software and serves as a basis for the Gnome and KDE desktop tasks. |
| 23:38.54 | lunitik | daniel_John: I told you the answer to that explicit question. |
| 23:39.09 | enouf | whereis iceweasel |
| 23:39.15 | themill | daniel_John: I think you're asking the wrong question. Your profile is in ~/.mozilla/firefox |
| 23:39.33 | bendover | lunitik: module-assistant already exists |
| 23:39.39 | daniel_John | lunaphyte, ok i missed your command . i now have it |
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| 23:39.46 | lunitik | bendover: ok... did you try running what I typed? |
| 23:41.36 | bendover | lunitik: i can't install it |
| 23:41.46 | bendover | lunitik: should i do that to the .deb package? |
| 23:41.56 | Nyle | It is not intended to be a way for the user to choose what software to install, but instead is supposed to be a way for the user to choose what they want to do, and provide a solution to let them perform their task |
| 23:42.07 | lunitik | bendover: install the .deb then try :/ |
| 23:42.09 | Nyle | Making the user have to choose between two or more desktop environments, which they may not even have heard of is counter to this design principle of tasksel. |
| 23:42.25 | enouf | !pal Nyle |
| 23:42.28 | bendover | lunitik: the .deb installation won't finish, i get the cant compile because i dont have linux-image-generic |
| 23:42.32 | Nyle | Debian offers plenty of other ways for users who know what KDE and Gnome are to select the one they want; tasksel is not the right place for this kind of fine-grained selection to take place. |
| 23:42.34 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 23:43.00 | lunitik | bendover: Umm, I'm pretty sure that's an Ubuntu naming scheme? |
| 23:43.04 | enouf | nobody knows what kde and gnome are |
| 23:43.08 | enouf | not even the devs |
| 23:43.25 | Nyle | recent versions of tasksel do allow chaging the default desktop environment that is installed by preseeding tasksel/first to kde-desktop (or xfce-desktop), or, in the most recent version, by preseeding tasksel/desktop |
| 23:43.27 | bendover | lunitik: yeah. its a .deb used for ubuntu, but its the only one free |
| 23:43.43 | themill | Nyle: you might have a point about that, but making a debian-wide choice for gnome offends me as a kde user |
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| 23:43.53 | pipegeek | Afternoon. |
| 23:43.55 | Nyle | themill: same |
| 23:43.58 | pipegeek | Or, evening, rather |
| 23:44.04 | pipegeek | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.33 | Nyle | tasksel has a limited number of available slots for tasks that are displayed by default during the install, and so new tasks have to be compellingly useful to get added |
| 23:44.49 | Nyle | but |
| 23:44.54 | pipegeek | looks like it's broken anyway. |
| 23:44.57 | Nyle | rest easy, as it is extremely configurable |
| 23:45.10 | enouf | like exim4 ? |
| 23:45.11 | Nyle | though I still don't agree that gnome is forced on us |
| 23:47.20 | themill | !tell pipegeek about multiple ask |
| 23:49.11 | pipegeek | themill: apologies; I'm never sure which of the two is the right place to ask |
| 23:49.32 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.32 | Nyle | 18:44 < Nyle> but |
| 23:49.32 | Nyle | 18:44 < pipegeek> looks like it's broken anyway. |
| 23:49.32 | Nyle | 18:44 < Nyle> rest easy, as it is extremely configurable |
| 23:49.32 | Nyle | 18:45 < enouf> like exim4 ? |
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| 23:49.54 | Nyle | oops |
| 23:49.57 | amphi | Nyle: heh |
| 23:49.59 | Nyle | stupid mouse |
| 23:50.03 | Nyle | sorry |
| 23:50.29 | Nyle | amphi: I cleaned my house today! |
| 23:50.48 | Nyle | amphi: I found 10 ubuntu cds, all diff versions |
| 23:51.12 | Nyle | mixture from 5.04 to 7.10 |
| 23:51.21 | amphi | Nyle: that's deeply disturbing - seek help without delay ;) |
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| 23:51.43 | Nyle | amphi: I keep em around in case i need a live cd and have none |
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| 23:52.06 | amphi | Nyle: nah, the Shuttled One has you |
| 23:52.13 | Nyle | bullshit! |
| 23:52.27 | Nyle | shuttle can polish my nuts |
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| 23:52.51 | Nyle | actually to be honest with you without exxageration or bullshit |
| 23:53.10 | amphi | vain boaster ;) |
| 23:53.18 | Nyle | ubuntu has done nothing but piss me off every time I've tried to honestly give it a shot and use it, so no, I've not been had by anyone |
| 23:53.21 | Nyle | in fact |
| 23:53.25 | Nyle | if anything |
| 23:53.32 | Nyle | I was taken by debian ;) |
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| 23:54.23 | Nyle | i know how to build a debian desktop, don't need butus doin it for me all fucked up like |
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| 23:54.48 | torrr | hi |
| 23:54.51 | Nyle | amphi: I still cannot manage to get compiz to work again and I think it was caused by a kernel upgrade |
| 23:55.04 | torrr | is there an easy way to log all commands that I do as root? |
| 23:55.05 | wols_ | !enter |
| 23:55.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 23:55.11 | Nyle | amphi: I tried without kde, in xfce, still it was the same thing |
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| 23:55.15 | Nyle | wols_: thank you |
| 23:55.21 | amphi | Nyle: runs fine here on 2.6.24.2 |
| 23:55.29 | torrr | (to a file, so I wouldn't forget my commands) |
| 23:55.32 | Nyle | torrr: /root/.bash_history |
| 23:55.39 | Nyle | torrr: man history |
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| 23:55.59 | Nyle | amphi: well I dunno whats the matter with it |
| 23:56.01 | torrr | Nyle, can this file be as large as I want? |
| 23:56.08 | Nyle | torrr: no |
| 23:56.15 | amphi | Nyle: try building from git ;) |
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| 23:56.16 | Nyle | I think maybe last 500 |
| 23:56.22 | Nyle | I'm not sure |
| 23:56.25 | Nyle | read the manpage |
| 23:56.38 | torrr | I want more, I want it to be 10b |
| 23:56.43 | torrr | 10MB |
| 23:56.43 | amphi | emerald just died again |
| 23:57.16 | amphi | torrr: the HIST_SIZE variable is in stored commands, not bytes AFAIK |
| 23:57.22 | abrotman | torrr: yes ..i believe you can change the HISTFILESIZE |
| 23:57.25 | abrotman | torrr: man bash |
| 23:57.37 | torrr | ok |
| 23:57.40 | torrr | manning |
| 23:58.03 | neosix | Can somebody tell me Can I set fixed position for line in chat window (Xshat) ? Every time when somebody with big nickname said something Line moves and that is annoying. |
| 23:58.11 | neosix | Xchat* |
| 23:58.25 | Nyle | neosix: you can drag it yourself can't you |
| 23:58.28 | Nyle | the line? |
| 23:58.37 | Nyle | set it to a good legnth |
| 23:58.52 | neosix | Nyle: but I have to do that every time |
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| 23:58.58 | Nyle | neosix: #xchat |
| 23:59.04 | neosix | OK thanks |
| 23:59.08 | Nyle | neosix: there is probably some /set config command for that |
| 23:59.09 | themill | torrr: I use this: PROMPT_COMMAND="${PROMPT_COMMAND:+$PROMPT_COMMAND ; }"'echo $$ $USER "$(history 1)" >> ~/.bash_eternal_history' |
| 23:59.10 | Nyle | sure |
| 23:59.13 | Nyle | I just don't know it |
| 23:59.13 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:59.15 | enouf | so .. who wants to tell me why adding export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin is any better or more secure than using sudo as a prefix (naturally, with an entry in /etc/sudoers ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL) ?? |
| 23:59.19 | daniel_John | i have 118 packages downloading from the updates manager. if i cancel without completeing all downloads will the downloads ive downloaded be installed ? |
| 23:59.23 | neosix | Nyle: OK I'll see |
| 23:59.30 | neosix | in #xchat |
| 23:59.33 | Nyle | daniel_John: what update manaer? |
| 23:59.35 | abrotman | daniel_John: no .. but they are cached .. |
| 23:59.38 | Nyle | daniel_John: you are on ubuntu? |
| 23:59.41 | abrotman | daniel_John: you could manually install each |
| 23:59.52 | Nyle | debian doesn't have an update mangager like ubuntu does |
| 23:59.56 | daniel_John | im on etch |
| 23:59.59 | Nyle | we just have aptitude/apt etc. |
