| 00:00.08 | Nyle | daniel_John: ok I believe you |
| 00:00.14 | torrr | themill, thanks |
| 00:00.14 | themill | torrr: it's handy in overcoming the multiple-terminal problem with the history |
| 00:00.14 | enouf | one small thing i like about sudo, is all commands are logged in /var/log/auth* |
| 00:00.38 | Nyle | enouf: are you logged anywhere? ;) |
| 00:00.38 | themill | !info update-notifier |
| 00:00.39 | enouf | otherwise, it's a *buntu-ism |
| 00:00.39 | KomiaPoika | now i installed grub from the shell (system doesnt have lilo) and the pc doesn't boot at all anymore |
| 00:00.45 | dpkg | update-notifier: (Daemon which notifies about package updates), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.59.5.debian-1 (sid), Packaged size: 73 kB, Installed size: 508 kB |
| 00:00.57 | Nyle | !info update-notifier etch |
| 00:01.01 | daniel_John | in the top right of my desktop I have a software updates package reminder. orange icon |
| 00:01.01 | enouf | Nyle: i have a log, if that's what you mean ;-) |
| 00:01.03 | dpkg | update-notifier: (Daemon which notifies about package updates), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.42.12-3 (etch), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 476 kB |
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| 00:01.20 | Nyle | themill: i'll be damned, well debian doesn't automatically force it on people |
| 00:01.21 | Nyle | there. |
| 00:01.40 | themill | indeed :) |
| 00:01.41 | daniel_John | update notifier thats what i mean |
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| 00:02.18 | Nyle | man |
| 00:02.25 | Nyle | that gyro kicked my ass |
| 00:02.27 | Nyle | wow |
| 00:02.27 | themill | Nyle: there's also a kde version (adept-notifier). And of course cron-apt |
| 00:02.38 | Nyle | themill: yes that I am aware of |
| 00:02.56 | daniel_John | so is that gonna not install my updates if i cancel ? |
| 00:02.57 | Nyle | enouf: just kiddin man |
| 00:03.24 | enouf | searchable too (found out via accident) |
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| 00:04.03 | gonzaloaf | hi, I think I have detected a bug, who uses icedove will confirm my suspects: when I mark a mail as junk it doenst go aumatically to the junk folder on the account, I remember that this worked like that on thunderbird and in the former versions of icedove, can the icedove users tell me if this happens to you too? |
| 00:04.06 | enouf | themill: why not look into kpackage manager ;-) |
| 00:04.07 | Supaplex | gah. fa-queue uml! |
| 00:04.23 | Nyle | enouf: like, Towelie: shut up fatso. Cartman: you shut up stupid towel. you're stupid. Towelie: no you're stupid. Cartman: but you're a towel. Towelie: YOU"RE A TOWEL!! |
| 00:04.26 | Nyle | enouf: kinda like that |
| 00:04.30 | Nyle | tehehehe |
| 00:04.33 | themill | !lart enouf |
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| 00:05.15 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: make sure the box is checked to move new junk to the junk folder |
| 00:05.30 | enouf | dpkg say ohh.. asphyixiation is pleasurable |
| 00:05.30 | dpkg | ohh.. asphyixiation is pleasurable |
| 00:05.39 | Nyle | dude |
| 00:05.40 | Nyle | no |
| 00:05.48 | themill | tmi |
| 00:05.50 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, it is |
| 00:05.52 | wd | how can i save ownership of a file mv to samba box? |
| 00:05.55 | Nyle | mama cass, balooshi, hendrix |
| 00:06.02 | Nyle | thats not pleasurable, its sad |
| 00:06.03 | enouf | Nyle: ask the lead singer from INXS ;-) |
| 00:06.04 | Nyle | :/ |
| 00:06.14 | Supaplex | wd: tar? |
| 00:06.14 | abrotman | enouf: Nyle try using #debian-offtopic |
| 00:06.21 | enouf | indeed |
| 00:06.24 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: try it with another mail ? |
| 00:06.42 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, I hav 3 acoounts |
| 00:06.44 | wd | Supaplex, no Dir with 1 iso and 1 rar |
| 00:07.04 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, it happens in all my accounts |
| 00:07.36 | wd | Supaplex, i was mv a Dir. from linux box to a linu samba fileserver using term, got error about permissions |
| 00:07.50 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, does it work for you? |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: i'm checking .. i have to use IMAPS .. give me a minute |
| 00:08.50 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, ok |
| 00:09.36 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: seems like a bug .. on win32 it does it .. icedove seems to not |
| 00:09.38 | Supaplex | wd: 'an error' |
| 00:09.39 | wd | Supaplex, umm. the original files had my user but on samba box it had root. |
| 00:09.50 | wd | Supaplex, yeah see |
| 00:09.59 | Supaplex | what user is moving the files? |
| 00:10.13 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, it doesnt work even when I 'run junk mail control in folders' |
| 00:10.36 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: in etch? or lenny? |
| 00:10.42 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, yeah! I have posted the bug a month ago, but the maintainer doesnt reply |
| 00:10.46 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, lenny |
| 00:10.54 | abrotman | so why are you asking us if it's a bug ? |
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| 00:11.19 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=465840 |
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| 00:11.53 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, because I thought that it was happening just to me, because the maintainer didnt reply |
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| 00:12.12 | gonzaloaf | I wanted to know if more people experienced the problem |
| 00:12.26 | abrotman | i said i did |
| 00:14.07 | wd | Supaplex, trying again.. in /home/user i went "mv (dir) /Samba"... now i went "mv (dir) /Samba/(dir). will it make a difference? |
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| 00:15.15 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, good |
| 00:15.29 | gonzaloaf | I will mail the maintainer |
| 00:15.51 | dude_ | hows the latest driver from ATI? |
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| 00:16.25 | wd | Supaplex, this is the error earlier.. |
| 00:16.25 | Nyle | dude_: #ati |
| 00:16.27 | abrotman | dude_: ask #ati |
| 00:16.33 | wd | Supaplex, wd@gentoo_box ~ $ sudo mv MacOS9 ~/Samba/MacOS9 |
| 00:16.33 | wd | mv: failed to preserve ownership for `/home/wd/Samba/MacOS9/MacOS9/MacOS904Z.rar': Operation not permitted |
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| 00:16.39 | dude_ | alrite |
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| 00:17.53 | wd | Supaplex, ok i got error with both the iso and rar |
| 00:18.26 | Supaplex | samba doesn't have that level of permissions |
| 00:18.53 | Supaplex | that's unless you want to run it with ldap and a pile of other crap (over my head) |
| 00:19.05 | Supaplex | that's what nfs is for :) |
| 00:20.39 | Nyle | nfs is ass kickery |
| 00:20.48 | wd | Supaplex, u know what i'm hearing about this nfs.. any good? i needed samba for my windows box to the linux samba box so i was told just use for linux to linux |
| 00:21.08 | Supaplex | nfs is perfect for linux:linux |
| 00:21.30 | wd | Supaplex, oh crap. ok. let me read the wiki. |
| 00:21.32 | wd | lol |
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| 00:22.06 | Supaplex | don't expect your windows box to preserve unix permissions. sure, posix is barely there, and there are ways to get samba as a client to map to users/perms on a windows box, but it's like pulling teeth. |
| 00:22.06 | wd | Supaplex, yeah i'm getting tire of mount -t //server/DIR /mnt/samba lol |
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| 00:22.32 | Supaplex | if not nfs, use scp, sftp, rsync or something |
| 00:22.45 | Nyle | wd: so put it in fstab |
| 00:22.46 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:22.50 | Nyle | whats the problem? |
| 00:23.01 | Supaplex | genpoo ;) heh jk! |
| 00:23.09 | Nyle | and -t doesn't take //server/share as a param ;) |
| 00:23.14 | Nyle | just to let you know |
| 00:23.34 | wd | Nyle, typing fast. mount -t smbfs ... better lol |
| 00:23.44 | Nyle | wd: just yankin yer leg |
| 00:23.51 | Nyle | sorry hahaha |
| 00:24.00 | wd | Nyle, i know.. i like yankin. |
| 00:24.11 | Nyle | well everybody does |
| 00:24.13 | Nyle | :) |
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| 00:24.50 | alben | hola |
| 00:25.08 | Nyle | que pasa |
| 00:25.11 | wd | Nyle, i'm waiting for my debian box to reboot so i could try this nfs. |
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| 00:25.21 | Nyle | wd: why do you need nfs? |
| 00:25.23 | alben | saben asterisk? |
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| 00:25.44 | wd | Nyle, Supaplex said it was for linux to linux |
| 00:25.45 | [Bart] | hello,what is the 'supported' way of changing the relay host of sendmail in Debian? (cf. always gets overwritten) |
| 00:25.51 | Nyle | wd: you got server 03? xp pro? |
| 00:25.59 | Nyle | wd: yes ok then sure |
| 00:26.03 | alben | hellooo |
| 00:26.07 | Nyle | wd: I thought you were trying to go from win to lin |
| 00:26.10 | wd | Nyle, uuugh. |
| 00:26.10 | alben | anyone asterisk? |
| 00:26.17 | themill | !anyone |
| 00:26.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:26.18 | Nyle | alben: spanish speaking? |
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| 00:26.23 | Nyle | !es |
| 00:26.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:26.29 | wd | Nyle, no lin to lin |
| 00:26.37 | wd | Nyle, i have win to lin |
| 00:26.45 | Nyle | wd: ok |
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| 00:26.51 | Supaplex | alben: I'm sorry, that is an invalid extension. |
| 00:26.53 | Nyle | why do you need to reboot to use nfs? |
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| 00:27.15 | Supaplex | !reboot |
| 00:27.15 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 00:27.23 | alben | humm |
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| 00:27.28 | wd | Nyle, using samba for lin to lin and i'm getting permission errors everytime i mv or cp a file i have to chmod or chown it |
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| 00:27.39 | Nyle | why the hell would you ever do that |
| 00:27.43 | Nyle | samba isn't for lin to lin :) |
| 00:27.54 | Nyle | I'm sure you've already been over this with him |
| 00:27.56 | Nyle | nevermind me |
| 00:27.59 | alben | you mean this room is not for asterisk at all? |
| 00:28.03 | wd | Nyle, lol |
| 00:28.04 | Nyle | alben: #asterisk |
| 00:28.17 | Supaplex | alben: lame question, lame answer. try a smart question |
| 00:28.18 | Nyle | alben: if you need help with asterisk packages in debian itself we can help you |
| 00:28.22 | Supaplex | !tell alben -about smart questions |
| 00:28.31 | Nyle | Supaplex: chill |
| 00:28.36 | alben | ok |
| 00:28.43 | wd | Nyle, i was told since i have samba for win to lin, just keep it for lin to lin.. lol but i guess i was told wrong. lol |
| 00:28.53 | Nyle | wd: yes you were indeed |
| 00:29.00 | Supaplex | no seriously, "anyone asterisk" is a useless question. it could mean 500 different things about asterisk. it's not specific AT ALL |
| 00:29.00 | wd | Nyle, oh you. lol |
| 00:29.02 | Nyle | wd: there is also sshfs |
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| 00:29.11 | Pavel | Hello. I am running a 32-bit system on an AMD-64 platform. There are libraries of mathematical routines that I use, and there are three versions with different optimizations: SSE, SSE2, and 3DNow. (AMD64 supports all three.) Which should I use? |
| 00:29.18 | Nyle | Supaplex: sure I agree, but be nice |
| 00:29.22 | bendover | hello... i was recently trying to install a webcam driver, and i get the an error saying that it depends on linux-image-generic... its an ubuntu package, but it hsould work right? |
| 00:29.26 | themill | wd: you can use sambe for lin-lin but look at the cifs extensions or make sure you use the same uid/gid on both boxes. |
| 00:29.36 | Supaplex | Nyle: fair enough, but it's not personal. honest :) |
| 00:29.43 | Nyle | Supaplex: i am aware |
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| 00:30.05 | abrotman | bendover: on etch? |
| 00:30.08 | Nyle | Supaplex: good afternoon sir, I am calling to let you know that yo have been awarded much monies |
| 00:30.11 | Nyle | Supaplex: ;) |
| 00:30.14 | Nyle | ... |
| 00:30.17 | bendover | abrotman: yes, unstable |
| 00:30.25 | abrotman | etch isnt' unstable |
| 00:30.36 | darmi | lenny |
| 00:30.37 | abrotman | bendover: what is the driver? |
| 00:30.54 | bendover | sn9cxxx |
| 00:30.56 | wd | themill, ok |
| 00:31.02 | Nyle | Supaplex: admit it, that was freakin hilarious |
| 00:31.04 | abrotman | bendover: sorry .. the package name |
| 00:31.20 | bendover | abrotman: erm its a package i downloaded |
| 00:31.26 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 00:31.29 | abrotman | we have no idea |
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| 00:31.54 | wd | Nyle, Supaplex sshfs / nfs what's simple and quick? |
| 00:32.00 | bendover | abrotman: http://tinyurl.com/3eyr9x |
| 00:32.01 | Supaplex | Nyle: I thought we were done with that nonsense. you still delight in bullshit. no suprise. haha it's funny you even care :D |
| 00:32.09 | amphi | sshfs |
| 00:32.16 | Nyle | Supaplex: life is too short, gotta make it fun |
| 00:32.18 | wd | amphi, i c |
| 00:32.28 | amphi | wd: pardon? |
| 00:32.34 | Nyle | Supaplex: what I consider fun you probably think is childish and/or immature. |
| 00:32.40 | Nyle | no big deal |
| 00:32.50 | wd | amphi, i thougt u were talking to me. sorry. |
| 00:33.02 | Supaplex | and that's why I cut right to the quick of things. I'm not into wasting time on the phone with people I don't know. :) so anyway *yawn* |
| 00:33.03 | dkr | !ic |
| 00:33.03 | dpkg | i heard ic is (AKA) 'slurpy' or a conspiracy by the Indo-American community to take over your neighborhood via inexpensive groceries and snacks, or Integrated Circuit or "I see" for MORONS who are too lazy to type properly (I C). Imperial College, London |
| 00:33.03 | Nyle | wd: nfs is easy |
| 00:33.04 | wd | Nyle, Supaplex sshfs / nfs what's simple and quick? |
| 00:33.04 | amphi | wd: yes |
| 00:33.07 | wd | Nyle, ok |
| 00:33.08 | Nyle | and actually very simple to setup |
| 00:33.14 | Nyle | !nfs |
| 00:33.14 | dpkg | nfs is, like, Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 00:33.26 | Nyle | damn thats a lot of nfs hatred in that factoid |
| 00:33.38 | bendover | hello... i was recently trying to install a webcam driver, and i get the an error saying that it depends on linux-image-generic... its an ubuntu package, but it should work right? |
| 00:33.44 | wd | Nyle, oh my. |
| 00:33.45 | wd | lol |
| 00:33.51 | darmi | nfs is quite fast |
| 00:34.01 | Supaplex | bendover: uh, no. comingling distros is bad. |
| 00:34.08 | wd | sshfs looks pretty good right about now.. lol |
| 00:34.15 | abrotman | bendover: i doubt it |
| 00:34.16 | wd | based on the info above. |
| 00:34.21 | abrotman | bendover: and don't be so impatient |
| 00:34.22 | amphi | !sshfs |
| 00:34.22 | dpkg | somebody said sshfs was sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html>, FAQ is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
| 00:34.27 | Supaplex | nfs works for me. *shrug* |
| 00:34.35 | mmlj4 | oh, crud... /var/log/$user defaults to 660? what idiot came up with that? |
| 00:34.35 | Nyle | !works for me |
| 00:34.39 | Nyle | ohhh |
| 00:34.45 | Nyle | what happened to that one |
| 00:34.50 | amphi | !works for Nyle |
| 00:34.50 | Nyle | damn |
| 00:34.55 | amphi | bah |
| 00:35.00 | Roge | how do i tell dpkg to ignore dependancy's and install regardless of anything ? |
| 00:35.01 | bendover | abrotman: lol sorry |
| 00:35.01 | Nyle | works fo jo momma too |
| 00:35.03 | Nyle | muahaha |
| 00:35.05 | Nyle | :D |
| 00:35.08 | dondelelcaro | Roge: you don't. You fix the problems. |
| 00:35.12 | Nyle | j/k relax.. jk |
| 00:35.23 | abrotman | bendover: i'd try to find source you can compile/build |
| 00:35.31 | bendover | abrotman: but i just got an error saying i dont have linux-image-generic |
| 00:35.32 | Nyle | wd: don't pay attention to the factoid as much |
| 00:35.46 | abrotman | bendover: i don't know what that is .. i don't run ubuntu |
| 00:35.47 | wd | Nyle, i c. ok |
| 00:35.47 | Nyle | wd: nfs is fantastic, just read about it and have some idea bout how it works |
| 00:35.47 | Roge | dondelelcaro, the deb im installing wants older versions of librarys |
| 00:35.50 | Nyle | wd: it would be useful |
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| 00:36.00 | Roge | im not gonna downgrade |
| 00:36.03 | Supaplex | Roge: let's party like it's 1995 and just install what ever, and cry when it's all broken. |
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| 00:36.09 | wd | Nyle, ok, going to read now. thanks. |
| 00:36.13 | dondelelcaro | Roge: if it wants older versions of libraries, it wants them for a reason. Install the older versions. |
| 00:36.16 | Nyle | word |
| 00:36.22 | wd | Nyle, lol |
| 00:36.28 | wd | peace out |
| 00:36.28 | Supaplex | Nyle: openoffice |
| 00:36.30 | wd | lol |
| 00:36.34 | darmi | i love nfs for some things |
| 00:36.35 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:36.35 | dondelelcaro | Roge: if you're unsure of how to do that, show us the full output of what it is that you're trying to install. |
| 00:36.40 | neosix | Nyle: I solved problem with xchat |
| 00:36.42 | neosix | :D |
| 00:36.43 | amphi | Nyle: sshfs is fantasticker! |
| 00:36.43 | wd | darmi, like what? |
| 00:36.46 | Nyle | neosix: how? |
| 00:36.50 | Nyle | neosix: /set soemthing/ |
| 00:36.53 | Roge | sure i'll past bin |
| 00:37.01 | Nyle | neosix: its themeable its probably something right align nick setting |
| 00:37.06 | Nyle | or devider thing |
| 00:37.08 | neosix | Nyle: preferences/interface/textbox/indent nicknames - untick that box |
| 00:37.15 | darmi | file trans using media from a different system & etc |
| 00:37.21 | Nyle | neosix: well sure |
| 00:37.22 | Nyle | that works |
| 00:37.36 | neosix | yes |
| 00:37.42 | Nyle | but im sure there is also a legnth you can set it at *static* |
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| 00:37.50 | neosix | maybe |
| 00:37.50 | wd | now i'm more confused.. lol.. nfs vs sshfs.. crap. |
| 00:37.58 | neosix | now line disapear |
| 00:38.02 | Nyle | wd: go with nfs |
| 00:38.03 | Roge | http://pastebin.com/d7d704a08 |
| 00:38.07 | darmi | well us sshfs |
| 00:38.13 | Supaplex | use both! ;) |
| 00:38.15 | wd | lol |
| 00:38.18 | wd | Supaplex, good one |
| 00:38.19 | wd | lol |
| 00:38.27 | wd | maybe i will try both. |
| 00:38.27 | Nyle | use telnet |
| 00:38.28 | wd | lol |
| 00:38.32 | Nyle | for everything |
| 00:38.39 | darmi | ssh uses encryption technology |
| 00:38.40 | wd | Nyle, quit it. i'm fried. |
| 00:38.45 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:38.50 | Nyle | sorry j/k |
| 00:38.50 | wd | darmi, now we're talking. |
| 00:38.56 | darmi | nfs doesn't |
| 00:38.57 | wd | encryption. |
| 00:39.04 | Nyle | see ssh tunneled nfs |
| 00:39.05 | Nyle | :/ |
| 00:39.14 | Supaplex | nfs4 has kerberos, dunnit? |
| 00:39.23 | Nyle | don't recall |
| 00:39.33 | darmi | not sure |
| 00:39.39 | darmi | if it does that's good |
| 00:39.42 | Nyle | yes |
| 00:39.45 | Nyle | I think so |
| 00:39.49 | Supaplex | payloads might only be signed, not encrypted though. |
| 00:39.51 | Nyle | I remember reading somewhere I think |
| 00:40.12 | wd | darmi, what would a command be to mv/cp a file from box to box? |
| 00:40.21 | Nyle | scp |
| 00:40.24 | Nyle | imo |
| 00:40.31 | Supaplex | rsync! |
| 00:40.39 | Nyle | or that |
| 00:40.48 | Supaplex | or rsync |
| 00:40.52 | darmi | wd: doing what? |
| 00:41.04 | Supaplex | oh, there's rsync too. and that rsync thing... heh |
| 00:41.09 | darmi | with nfs |
| 00:41.12 | wd | darmi, sshfs a file from one box to another? |
| 00:41.27 | Nyle | Supaplex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=372Ah0Z_L1w |
| 00:41.40 | Nyle | Supaplex: please just for me watch the whole thing |
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| 00:41.55 | Supaplex | my non-evil gnash won't play that right now. |
| 00:41.59 | darmi | honestly I haven't used sshfs I've been in the stone ages with nfs |
| 00:42.01 | Nyle | Supaplex: youtube-dl |
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| 00:42.24 | Nyle | Supaplex: really, watch it man, you'll understand |
| 00:42.37 | Nyle | or just encrypt nfs |
| 00:42.40 | Nyle | I mean |
| 00:42.42 | Nyle | w/e |
| 00:42.45 | darmi | true |
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| 00:43.07 | darmi | but I'm guessing that it's similar to nfs |
| 00:43.16 | Nyle | !sshfs |
| 00:43.16 | dpkg | it has been said that sshfs is sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html>, FAQ is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
| 00:43.45 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: you're going to fix the bug? |
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| 00:44.19 | inFw | is there any way to install vim syntax highlight without installing vim-full? vim-full wants lots of packages, some of which I really don' need. |
| 00:44.40 | abrotman | i thought vim-tiny had syntax highlighting |
| 00:45.03 | tomd123 | abrotman, i don't think so |
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| 00:45.18 | tomd123 | abrotman, i always get rid of vim-tiny and get the full version |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | tomd123: there's vim-tiny,vim,vim-full |
| 00:45.29 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, yes |
| 00:45.42 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: if you can fix it .. just put the patch in the BTS |
| 00:45.49 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: attach it to the bug you submitted |
| 00:46.13 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, ooh I'll try... |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | tomd123: with the "vim" package .. i have syntax highlighting |
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| 00:46.40 | Supaplex | is oftc freenode? |
| 00:47.02 | abrotman | no |
| 00:47.24 | Supaplex | freshmeat? |
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| 00:47.31 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:47.41 | Supaplex | which network is oftc? |
| 00:47.47 | inFw | abrotman, that'll do, thanks. package 'vim' worked.. Why does debian only come with vim-tiny, does anyone know? |
| 00:47.49 | tuv | what's with cups in testing? it segfaults on startup |
| 00:47.52 | tuv | amd64 |
| 00:48.16 | Supaplex | tuv: bts || reportbug |
| 00:48.28 | inFw | Supaplex, irc.oftc.net ? |
| 00:48.46 | tuv | Supaplex: am i the only one seeing this? |
| 00:48.46 | Supaplex | nm. oftc == freshmeat. |
| 00:48.48 | abrotman | inFw: because it's small .. and usually sufficient |
| 00:49.00 | Supaplex | tuv: check bugs.debian.org |
| 00:49.08 | Nyle | what the hell is freshmeat? |
| 00:49.14 | darmi | mount the lol |
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| 00:49.16 | Nyle | sounds like some lame porn company |
| 00:49.17 | darmi | lol |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | inFw: FWIW .. i very rarely turn on syntax highlighting .. but i do use vim |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | Nyle: freshmeat.net .. how long have you been using linux? |
| 00:49.40 | darmi | you can get open source software |
| 00:49.40 | Nyle | 92/93 |
| 00:49.46 | Nyle | never heard of freshmeat |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | !freshmeat |
| 00:49.46 | dpkg | it has been said that freshmeat is at http://freshmeat.net/, or _the_ place to search for whatever piece of software you know of/have heard of/dreamt of ... |
| 00:49.49 | Nyle | never came across it |
| 00:49.50 | abrotman | you're a total loser |
| 00:49.53 | Nyle | stfu. |
| 00:49.55 | mmlj4 | i had the same reaction to the URL back in 2000 or so |
| 00:50.07 | darmi | lol |
| 00:50.08 | mmlj4 | now I've got projects there :-) |
| 00:50.15 | abrotman | Nyle: there is more abandoned software there than you've ever heard of |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | plus current stuff obviously |
| 00:50.32 | Nyle | well I got stuff to do now don't I, like browse this site |
| 00:50.35 | Nyle | ohhhhh this site |
| 00:50.39 | Nyle | man |
| 00:50.41 | abrotman | sure .. |
| 00:50.43 | Nyle | I even have a login on this site |
| 00:50.45 | Nyle | bungnugget' |
| 00:50.50 | abrotman | it used to be themes.org i think |
| 00:50.54 | Nyle | yeh i know my browser logged me into it |
| 00:50.55 | abrotman | or aliased to themes.org |
| 00:51.01 | Nyle | wow what a total brain fart |
| 00:51.03 | Nyle | godamn |
| 00:51.11 | abrotman | there's also happypenguin.org if you need to find games |
| 00:51.17 | Nyle | that one I do know of |
| 00:51.26 | Nyle | it is great, recently switched hosting |
| 00:51.49 | abrotman | i wouldn't call it great .. too much old abandoned stuff |
| 00:52.22 | Nyle | still, its the biggest linux game site around |
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| 00:52.27 | Nyle | commercial + oss |
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| 00:52.41 | Nyle | unless you meant freshmeat |
| 00:52.56 | Nyle | which i dont know if switched hosts or not |
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| 00:54.43 | Nyle | anyone want to point me to a doc/resource on how to port 386 package over to amd64? |
| 00:55.21 | anxt | using testing i have /dev/sda1 as / |
| 00:55.27 | abrotman | no .. i meant happypenguin |
| 00:55.41 | anxt | when i cfdisk /dev/sda i see a different HD that is unformatted, how do i get naming sane? |
| 00:55.46 | Nyle | abrotman: still, its got that AND new stuff |
| 00:56.07 | Kurin | What webmail clients are the cool kids using these days? |
| 00:56.08 | Nyle | abrotman: I don't like the way they have the browsing setup to look through the games |
| 00:56.08 | abrotman | some of it |
| 00:56.12 | Kurin | Is it still squirrelmail? |
| 00:56.22 | abrotman | Kurin: horde is decent one .. i think roundcube could be pretty good |
| 00:56.29 | daniel_John | what is the procedure for installing nvidia drivers these days ? |
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| 00:56.39 | Supaplex | Kurin: sqwebmail is slim and fast. |
| 00:57.08 | Nyle | daniel_John: etch? |
| 00:57.16 | Nyle | !tell daniel_John -about nvidia |
| 00:57.18 | Kurin | Yeah sqwemail has issues with SSHA passwords on ldap servers |
| 00:57.25 | daniel_John | yeah etch |
| 00:57.45 | Nyle | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:57.45 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 00:59.16 | daniel_John | nyle im using etch latest update. so i just use apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 00:59.30 | Nyle | apparantly so, yes |
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| 00:59.40 | daniel_John | ok here it goes |
| 01:00.21 | daniel_John | well i dont strictly need it. i could live with 2d - nv |
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| 01:00.41 | Nyle | daniel_John: were you not having some problems with nv causing cpu loads? |
| 01:00.49 | Nyle | or was that someone else? |
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| 01:01.25 | scrash | saludos |
| 01:01.34 | daniel_John | nah not me |
| 01:01.36 | Nyle | and salad dressing to you too |
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| 01:02.18 | abrotman | Nyle: that was gonzaloaf |
| 01:02.21 | daniel_John | i was having trouble getting back to nv driver. but i sorted that with reconfiguring xorg with dpkg |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | i thought |
| 01:02.28 | Nyle | ahh ok |
| 01:02.31 | scrash | help squid |
| 01:02.37 | Nyle | scrash: ask. |
| 01:02.46 | Nyle | !tell scrash -about ask |
| 01:02.59 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, meeeee |
| 01:02.59 | daniel_John | nyle i take it this one liner will install the driver the debian way ? |
| 01:03.07 | Nyle | daniel_John: that is correct |
| 01:03.16 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: hi |
| 01:03.22 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, have you found something for me? my eyes are suffering with vesa |
| 01:03.27 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, hi |
| 01:03.32 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: vesa is beautiful |
| 01:03.37 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, nouuuuuu |
| 01:03.40 | Nyle | j/k |
| 01:03.43 | Supaplex | that one-liner is amiss for subarch kernels (like xen +/- vserver etc) |
| 01:03.47 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: use nvidia? |
| 01:04.07 | Nyle | I wonder why we are not using module assistant for nvidia anymore |
| 01:04.11 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, I cant I use testing, nvidia its been taken out from testing |
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| 01:04.19 | osmosis | where do I set a bash variable that I want to be available to my crontab ? |
| 01:04.22 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: you can put it in |
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| 01:04.34 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, yes I miss the wiki instructions |
| 01:04.37 | Supaplex | osmosis: in the crontab. FOO=...\n* * * 5 1 ... |
| 01:04.38 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: from nvidia.com but yeh if you don't know how you're probably going nto fuck it up |
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| 01:05.00 | daniel_John | goodnight |
| 01:05.04 | osmosis | Supaplex: really? just put it at the top of the crontab ? |
| 01:05.09 | stowaway-atwork | hello. anyone here use the debian live cd to install? |
| 01:05.10 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, i dont like to install things that are not in the debian mirrors |
| 01:05.23 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: wimp ;) |
| 01:05.24 | Supaplex | osmosis: yup. MAILTO=you@example.com |
| 01:05.25 | stowaway-atwork | it comes with a networking proggie.. so i can setup VNC |
| 01:05.28 | stowaway-atwork | works fine.. |
| 01:05.29 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, another option? |
| 01:05.37 | stowaway-atwork | just wondering if there was a way to make it start up on boot |
| 01:05.40 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: not be a wimp? ;) |
| 01:05.43 | Nyle | j/k |
| 01:06.04 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: don't use X |
| 01:06.18 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, noup |
| 01:06.24 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: adopt the console, make it bigger, try screen and gpm |
| 01:06.25 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, I use both |
| 01:06.27 | Nyle | stuf like that |
| 01:06.41 | scrash | Is not very good my English |
| 01:06.42 | Nyle | well my man you're stuck with |
| 01:06.52 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: what has the bts to say on nv? |
| 01:06.55 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, in servers just console, but here in my place give me a little break |
| 01:06.57 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: any issues there? |
| 01:07.08 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, I havent checked well |
| 01:07.23 | scrash | install squid an configuration Squid Authentication Active Directory |
| 01:07.29 | Supaplex | gonzaloaf: Nyle's so cool, he runs X with aalib. |
| 01:07.34 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: were you never able to find the cause of high cpu |
| 01:07.55 | Nyle | Supaplex: Goooood aftanoon sir |
| 01:08.12 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, see my processor is like 5ºC colder but I dont have the lagging anymore, besides my video card is a lot a lot a lot colder |
| 01:08.16 | Supaplex | Nyle: oh, so you're not that cool? |
| 01:08.31 | Nyle | Supaplex: I run xorg in my mind |
| 01:08.41 | Supaplex | oh. okay. |
| 01:08.42 | Nyle | i'm so cool, I don't even need a compute to run debian |
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| 01:08.50 | Nyle | yeh, its pretty phat. |
| 01:09.13 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, is something with nv, I've always used nv without problems, maybe its a mixed issued |
| 01:09.16 | Nyle | scrash: for help with squid try #squid |
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| 01:09.31 | Nyle | scrash: unless you need help with squid packages |
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| 01:10.04 | tomd123 | nyle: how do you connect to the network, do you have a matrix style neck connector, say rj-46? |
| 01:10.04 | GrayFox | hey |
| 01:10.05 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: which process takes up so much cpu |
| 01:10.26 | Nyle | tomd123: rj-666, black magic and science |
| 01:10.31 | GrayFox | in the ubuntu-chan noone knows about compiling kernels |
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| 01:10.40 | Nyle | GrayFox: in the ubuntu chans, no one knows shit. |
| 01:10.44 | GrayFox | http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/742867 |
| 01:10.47 | Nyle | GrayFox: install debian, find amazing help here. |
| 01:10.50 | Nyle | else, go away. |
| 01:11.00 | GrayFox | hey, don't be so rude |
| 01:11.11 | tomd123 | Nyle: you know if you ran a command line instead of xorg, you could become more 1337 |
| 01:11.12 | Nyle | I apologize |
| 01:11.19 | GrayFox | not everyone wants to be in front of a black-and-white-screen ^^ |
| 01:11.39 | amphi | GrayFox: black and white? I have several colours |
| 01:11.41 | streuner | GrayFox: did you read /topic? |
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| 01:11.51 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, Xorg was |
| 01:12.01 | Nyle | GrayFox: if you don't have a question related to debian itself, askit, otherwise you are wasting your time as you will not find anyone willing to support kubunt in here |
| 01:12.21 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, Nyle now with vesa Xorg takes til 12 |
| 01:12.35 | GrayFox | i think it does not matter, what distribution i use |
| 01:12.37 | scrash | ok thanks |
| 01:12.41 | dvs | We do |
| 01:12.46 | streuner | GrayFox: it does |
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| 01:13.01 | GrayFox | this error would occur with every distribution? |
| 01:13.07 | GrayFox | -ß +! |
| 01:13.38 | streuner | GrayFox: its not a typical issue here too, we recommend Debian kernels |
| 01:13.43 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, got go to... takl later thanks |
| 01:13.49 | darmi | console only is old skool |
| 01:13.49 | GrayFox | so... well... let's assume i have debian.... |
| 01:14.04 | dvs | nope |
| 01:14.04 | streuner | .oO (thats a mistake...) |
| 01:14.15 | streuner | GrayFox: go away |
| 01:14.20 | darmi | lol |
| 01:14.21 | GrayFox | -_- |
| 01:14.26 | GrayFox | thanks for your help |
| 01:14.38 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: gfx card? |
| 01:14.41 | Nyle | dvs: hi |
| 01:14.46 | dvs | high |
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| 01:15.03 | Nyle | not yet im not |
| 01:15.04 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:15.07 | dvs | hehehehe |
| 01:15.13 | darmi | lol |
| 01:15.14 | Nyle | how've you been lately |
| 01:15.19 | dvs | snowed |
| 01:15.21 | Nyle | awe |
| 01:15.33 | Nyle | its been fairly sunny here recently, got snowed in 2 weeks ago |
| 01:15.34 | dvs | and it ain't over yet |
| 01:15.45 | Nyle | word |
| 01:15.48 | GrayFox | streuner: i thought, the debian-people would be more... well... professional... |
| 01:15.51 | Nyle | GrayFox: can't assume |
| 01:15.54 | Nyle | !ubuntu |
| 01:15.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:16.03 | Nyle | GrayFox: please respect our channel policies. |
| 01:16.24 | Nyle | GrayFox: thank you |
| 01:16.26 | streuner | GrayFox: look at #kernelnewbies on OFTC |
| 01:17.00 | GrayFox | okay, i gonna install debian only to see the same error and asking you the same question again... -_- |
| 01:17.03 | Nyle | GrayFox: try ##linux |
| 01:17.11 | streuner | please dont |
| 01:17.15 | darmi | lol |
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| 01:17.37 | streuner | if you only install Debian to _test_ us, its the wrong way then |
| 01:17.47 | Roge | .... |
| 01:17.53 | darmi | grrrr |
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| 01:18.06 | dclarke | is there a package for pidgen ? dpkg seems to say no .. but I may be using it wrong |
| 01:18.09 | streuner | GrayFox: http://kernelnewbies.org/ and look for IRC, but tell them always the truth otherwise nobody can help you |
| 01:18.27 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xserver-xorg-video-nv;dist=unstable |
| 01:18.50 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: it has been known to hang/slow down the system |
| 01:19.03 | GrayFox | well, i did tell YOU the truth and i have no doubt, that you are ABLE to help me, but since i TOLD you the truth you do not WANT to help me |
| 01:19.06 | dclarke | dpkg -l "*gaim*" reports nothing also .. that can't be right |
| 01:19.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching "*gaim*" reports nothing also .. that can't be right |
| 01:19.07 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: you should gather some info and file a bugreport too |
| 01:19.22 | Nyle | GrayFox: that is correct |
| 01:19.34 | GrayFox | it is "pidgin" |
| 01:19.37 | GrayFox | not "pidgen" |
| 01:19.45 | Nyle | GrayFox: even I can help, but that would be against our policy, as explicity stated in the topic and elsewhere |
| 01:19.47 | amphi | heh |
| 01:19.52 | Nyle | GrayFox: sorry. |
| 01:19.56 | GrayFox | -_- |
| 01:20.05 | dclarke | debian:~# dpkg -l "*pidgin*" |
| 01:20.07 | dclarke | No packages found matching *pidgin*. |
| 01:20.07 | Nyle | GrayFox: to be unbiast and totally honest, debian is far superior. Try it |
| 01:20.24 | streuner | dclarke: apt-cache search pidgin |
| 01:20.24 | abrotman | dclarke: in etch it is gaim |
| 01:20.30 | Nyle | GrayFox: plus debian people know how to compile kernels ;) |
| 01:20.36 | streuner | !pidgin |
| 01:20.36 | dpkg | it has been said that pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch from backports.org, ask me about <backports.org> |
| 01:20.37 | dclarke | I thought that gaim was a no-no ? |
| 01:20.59 | dclarke | apt-cache search pidgin --> returns nothing |
| 01:21.02 | darmi | gaim is pidgin |
| 01:21.06 | amphi | ... |
| 01:21.12 | streuner | ok, just listen to abrotman then |
| 01:21.18 | abrotman | who what? |
| 01:21.23 | Nyle | where when how? |
| 01:21.27 | Kurin | WHY |
| 01:21.28 | dclarke | pidgin is to gaim as cdrecord is to cdrw |
| 01:21.31 | abrotman | dclarke: why woudl gaim be a no-no ? |
| 01:21.36 | dclarke | whatever the case .. I don't see it |
| 01:21.36 | abrotman | dclarke: uh no ? |
| 01:21.39 | streuner | !info gaim etch |
| 01:21.42 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 01:21.43 | Nyle | none |
| 01:21.44 | abrotman | dclarke: which version of debian are you on ? |
| 01:21.49 | Nyle | question |
| 01:21.52 | amphi | dclarke: as wodim is to cdrecord, possibly |
| 01:21.59 | dclarke | Linux debian 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 17:50:19 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:22.04 | Kurin | gaim was renamed pidgin |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | dclarke: you have gaim |
| 01:22.09 | dclarke | oh |
| 01:22.09 | Kurin | and libgaim was renamed libpurple |
| 01:22.15 | Kurin | This is all on the internet |
| 01:22.18 | Nyle | hm |
| 01:22.26 | Nyle | i think i been under a rock lately |
| 01:22.31 | dclarke | debian:~# which gaim --> reports nothing |
| 01:22.32 | amphi | Kurin: it's all in the factoid |
| 01:22.38 | Nyle | !gamin |
| 01:22.39 | Nyle | !gaim |
| 01:22.39 | dpkg | gaim is, like, an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. see <pidgin> |
| 01:22.41 | Kurin | If it's still gaim in apt, that's because etch packages are 8 years old |
| 01:22.43 | abrotman | Kurin: no crap .. but not in etch |
| 01:22.44 | amphi | !installit |
| 01:22.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 01:23.02 | Nyle | amphi: omg! it doesn't! oh man debian sucks. |
| 01:23.12 | amphi | and it's so old!!11 |
| 01:23.18 | Nyle | i know, right |
| 01:23.20 | streuner | haha |
| 01:23.24 | Nyle | hehehe ;) |
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| 01:24.54 | Nyle | try irssi |
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| 01:25.02 | dclarke | this is nuts |
| 01:25.07 | Nyle | ahhhh boy |
| 01:25.42 | Nyle | dclarke: kill stuff |
| 01:25.51 | dclarke | reboot ... |
| 01:25.53 | Nyle | actually close out of any package manager and apt/aptitude frontends |
| 01:25.54 | Nyle | no |
| 01:25.55 | Nyle | stop |
| 01:26.03 | Nyle | don't fucking reboot this isn't windows ffs |
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| 01:26.10 | darmi | :) |
| 01:26.25 | dclarke | ?ffs? |
| 01:26.28 | Nyle | !ffs |
| 01:26.29 | dpkg | well, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 01:26.32 | dclarke | file system ? |
| 01:26.38 | amphi | hahaha |
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| 01:26.41 | Nyle | yes, for file system |
| 01:26.43 | Supaplex | for fscks sake |
| 01:26.47 | mrgenixus | hello, how do I fix nvidia? |
| 01:26.47 | Nyle | fuck for file system |
| 01:26.49 | dclarke | okay |
| 01:26.55 | Nyle | mrgenixus: lenny? |
| 01:26.57 | amphi | that's a qotd |
| 01:27.04 | Nyle | amphi: do it |
| 01:27.06 | dclarke | ahhh I see the problem .. a GUI "update" thing is running .. |
| 01:27.10 | dclarke | let me kill that |
| 01:27.13 | Supaplex | !fix mrgenixus's nvidia |
| 01:27.23 | mrgenixus | I guess -- I'm so confused about my version -- I think so, trying to run 2.6.18/2.6.21 it doesn't matter I can't m-a... |
| 01:27.27 | GrayFox | Nyle: so, one last try: i am not a script kiddie who is searching for a click-and-get-your-super-hacking-tool-solution, i am studying informatics and want to learn more about kernel. and since i know, that those of my fellow students, who use debian, are the most professional guys i looked for the debian-channel. so to abide the rules you could at least tell me the solution by private message... |
| 01:27.38 | radius | wow a whole lot of f* bombing ;p |
| 01:27.46 | Nyle | GrayFox: this is NOT the place for that. |
| 01:27.48 | mrgenixus | Supaplex: you're so funny (well, somebody is) |
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| 01:27.51 | amphi | Nyle: there is an almost identical one, I believe |
| 01:27.53 | Nyle | GrayFox: my services are not free via pm |
| 01:28.04 | Nyle | GrayFox: I freely give support to debian and only to it |
| 01:28.05 | abrotman | GrayFox: This channel is for Debian support, please respect that |
| 01:28.06 | Nyle | fuck everyone else |
| 01:28.16 | darmi | greyfox man up! |
| 01:28.24 | Nyle | i'm sorry it has to sound like this but you're not getting it. |
| 01:28.32 | amphi | !qotd7 |
| 01:28.32 | dpkg | <nvz> think about it ffs <tak_2> ffs? <nvz> !ffs <dpkg> rumour has it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or [...] <tak_2> I need to download fast file system? |
| 01:28.35 | mrgenixus | so is there a standard fix for nvidia? |
| 01:28.37 | amphi | Nyle: ^^ |
| 01:28.43 | Supaplex | tomorrows lesson will be on FOAD |
| 01:28.47 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:28.54 | Nyle | tak2 i shilarious |
| 01:28.59 | dclarke | fix or adjust daily |
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| 01:29.22 | dclarke | or perform a television SISA test |
| 01:29.32 | GrayFox | yupp... it's just funny.... i did not want to believe it... in every other chan, the people say, that the debian people are to arrogant to help... was worth a try... but they seem to be right :( |
| 01:29.38 | dclarke | SISA == Side Impact Strike Adjustment |
| 01:29.40 | streuner | GrayFox: We told you where you get helpf about kernel issues usinig *bunt*, whats that hard to unterstand? |
| 01:29.44 | Nyle | GrayFox: it isn't arrogance. |
| 01:29.48 | Nyle | GrayFox: /msg dpkg fable |
| 01:29.51 | abrotman | GrayFox: this has nothing to do with arrogance .. try #ubuntu-kernel |
| 01:29.51 | Nyle | I think |
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| 01:29.53 | Nyle | !fable |
| 01:29.53 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
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| 01:29.59 | Nyle | yeh |
| 01:30.08 | GrayFox | thx |
| 01:30.08 | Nyle | that might give a little insight into stuff |
| 01:30.10 | NORDESTINO | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.13 | Nyle | its funny too |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | !tell Nyle about enter |
| 01:30.28 | mrgenixus | GrayFox: they're not arrogant (i'm not?) just pedantic and unhelpful at breaking or conforming to specific demands or rules |
| 01:30.31 | NORDESTINO | isso ta me torrando a paciencia rede via radio,alguem saca? |
| 01:30.31 | Nyle | fo. |
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| 01:30.45 | Nyle | umm what lingo is this |
| 01:30.58 | abrotman | NORDESTINO: espanol or portuguese? |
| 01:31.07 | abrotman | NORDESTINO: english only here |
| 01:31.13 | streuner | hm |
| 01:31.13 | NORDESTINO | abrotman:a mitake |
| 01:31.17 | NORDESTINO | mistake |
| 01:31.18 | abrotman | okay then |
| 01:31.18 | NORDESTINO | huahuahuah |
| 01:31.25 | NORDESTINO | abrotman:portuga |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | !pt |
| 01:31.30 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:31.34 | Nyle | !br |
| 01:31.34 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:31.40 | Nyle | ahhhh |
| 01:31.47 | NORDESTINO | abrotman:i am in the wrong chanel huahuahuahuau |
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| 01:32.07 | NORDESTINO | abrotman:sorry i need debian-br |
| 01:32.16 | NORDESTINO | abrotman:tahnks |
| 01:32.32 | abrotman | need a functional capslock too |
| 01:32.34 | mrgenixus | so is there a way to make nvidia work w/ lenny or do I have to wait for .22 to get my X working again... |
| 01:32.46 | mrgenixus | .22 sounds appropriate right now.. |
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| 01:32.48 | abrotman | lenny has .22 |
| 01:32.55 | Nyle | mrgenixus: it has 22-3 |
| 01:32.58 | streuner | Nyle: please redirect people in this cases to /topic in future |
| 01:33.07 | mrgenixus | so I just need to get .22 and then m-a a-i nvidia && ... |
| 01:33.07 | Nyle | streuner: I'm sorry? |
| 01:33.16 | Nyle | streuner: which cases? |
| 01:33.19 | GrayFox | i just cannot understand it, since my helpfulness always forces me to help those, who have problems i can solve ^^ |
| 01:33.20 | abrotman | mrgenixus: lenny has nvidia breakage |
| 01:33.22 | streuner | Nyle: whole *bunt* issues... |
| 01:33.26 | Nyle | streuner: I did |
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| 01:33.38 | Nyle | and always do |
| 01:33.39 | abrotman | GrayFox: please do not persist |
| 01:33.40 | mrgenixus | abrotman: so lennyis the problemnot kernel ver.. |
| 01:33.52 | Nyle | streuner: thanks for a reminder though ;) |
| 01:33.52 | GrayFox | i do not |
| 01:33.53 | abrotman | mrgenixus: no .. nvidia is the problem .. |
| 01:34.00 | abrotman | GrayFox: you are .. please stop |
| 01:34.09 | mrgenixus | abrotman: yes, well technically trade-secret law is most of the problem |
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| 01:34.13 | GrayFox | i gave up persueing you |
| 01:34.14 | GrayFox | ^^ |
| 01:34.18 | Nyle | GrayFox: why us? |
| 01:34.22 | mrgenixus | is this all stemming from linus decisions ca 1/29/08 |
| 01:34.22 | Nyle | GrayFox: why not #ubuntu? |
| 01:34.28 | GrayFox | i tried |
| 01:34.32 | Nyle | or #kubuntu? or ##linux? |
| 01:34.34 | abrotman | GrayFox: then you could be quiet instead of making random useless comments |
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| 01:34.41 | GrayFox | but they have no clue |
| 01:34.49 | Nyle | and we are not responsible for that |
| 01:34.52 | tt | join #perl |
| 01:34.53 | abrotman | GrayFox: this is not our problem |
| 01:34.53 | GrayFox | quote: "we do not know about compiling kernels!" |
| 01:34.55 | GrayFox | ^^ |
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| 01:34.57 | Nyle | GrayFox: install and use debian, we'll help you gladly |
| 01:35.01 | mrgenixus | toall: you could /ignore GrayFox and reduce the signal/noise ratio |
| 01:35.16 | GrayFox | -_- |
| 01:35.18 | abrotman | GrayFox: seriously .. please stop |
| 01:35.18 | darmi | compiling kernels isn't rocket science |
| 01:35.31 | abrotman | GrayFox: if you can't stay on-topic .. please leave the channel |
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| 01:35.41 | GrayFox | forget it, i am just looking for another chan at the moment |
| 01:35.42 | GrayFox | :) |
| 01:35.43 | Nyle | !d-i GrayFox |
| 01:35.43 | dpkg | GrayFox, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:35.52 | streuner | GrayFox: we told you |
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| 01:36.08 | streuner | GrayFox: #kernelnewbies, #ubuntu-kernels |
| 01:36.28 | Nyle | #streuner's toolshed |
| 01:36.30 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
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| 01:36.39 | Nyle | where he keeps dead bodies too |
| 01:36.54 | streuner | Nyle: please |
| 01:36.56 | Nyle | alright hopefully this is done with |
| 01:37.06 | GrayFox | thx |
| 01:37.09 | GrayFox | that's it |
| 01:37.09 | darmi | fox try windows |
| 01:37.19 | GrayFox | only without the "s" after the kernel ^^ |
| 01:37.25 | Nyle | streuner: oh sorry, its a secret */me zips his lip* |
| 01:37.30 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:38.18 | Nyle | thats like I can go to Subway, and ask them to make me a Big Mac |
| 01:38.20 | dclarke | can I ask a PPC boot question ? |
| 01:38.25 | GrayFox | well, i'll do you the favour and part now. sorry for any inconveniences... :) have a nice... well... night |
| 01:38.29 | mrgenixus | dclarke: no. see topic |
| 01:38.32 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: just ask |
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| 01:38.54 | Supaplex | ~lart neighbors' incessantly loud dog |
| 01:38.54 | apt | turns neighbors' incessantly loud dog into a lifesized tux doll |
| 01:39.07 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: it's perfectly ok to ask Debian powerpc questions here. |
| 01:39.09 | abrotman | dclarke: /topic |
| 01:39.12 | Nyle | dclarke: #debianppc |
| 01:39.16 | Nyle | i think also |
| 01:39.24 | mrgenixus | dondelelcaro: yes, I believe it specifies not to ask to ask -- perhaps that's a differnt chan |
| 01:39.32 | darmi | juniper uses ppc |
| 01:39.35 | streuner | its hard to find help about ppc in Debian (IRC)... |
| 01:39.46 | Nyle | well not becaus we don't want to |
| 01:39.48 | streuner | so just follow the advice of dondelelcaro... |
| 01:39.53 | Nyle | not many ppc user are active |
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| 01:39.56 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: oh, that part is true, but the topic doesn't talk about that; you wanted ask. |
| 01:40.10 | Nyle | if you go to #debianppc, you are gauranteed to only talk to debian ppc people |
| 01:40.13 | Nyle | imo |
| 01:40.14 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: there are quite a few of us here who have machines running on powerpc |
| 01:40.17 | mrgenixus | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 01:40.24 | dclarke | okay .. I'll goto #debianppc |
| 01:40.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell mrgenixus -about ask |
| 01:40.32 | streuner | Nyle: you might be have a good chance here... |
| 01:40.32 | dclarke | sorry ... |
| 01:40.34 | abrotman | i have a machine running on ppc |
| 01:40.37 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: see the part about them being active and consider the amount of traffic in here |
| 01:40.46 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: you can ask here if you want; up to you. |
| 01:40.49 | streuner | simonrvn using ppc too... |
| 01:40.50 | mrgenixus | dondelelcaro: oh, right. |
| 01:40.56 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: well its fine by me its all good |
| 01:41.08 | Nyle | I was just informing that there is another place specifically for ppc debian |
| 01:41.10 | Nyle | thats all |
| 01:41.35 | Nyle | streuner: me too :) |
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| 01:41.44 | dto | how do I find out which printer names are available for use with the -P option to lpr? |
| 01:41.47 | dto | this is with CUPS |
| 01:41.50 | Nyle | albiet an old one though, 3400c powerbook |
| 01:42.05 | mrgenixus | so no nvidia on lenny is the short version? and how do I check back on this? you know, later? |
| 01:42.09 | Nyle | and recently acquired a g4 tower from roomy |
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| 01:42.41 | dkr | dto: look at /etc/cups/printers.conf ? |
| 01:42.54 | Nyle | mrgenixus: no idea |
| 01:43.18 | Nyle | mrgenixus: keep checking packages.debian.org |
| 01:43.28 | Nyle | maybe |
| 01:43.53 | dto | oh. it used a huge name |
| 01:44.00 | dto | dkr: thank you :-) |
| 01:44.22 | roger | i tried installing limewire with apt-get and it failed. it seems my apt is broken now. its stuck on the limewire error when i try to install other stuff http://www.pastebin.ca/931262 can anyone help with that |
| 01:44.37 | dkr | you can type in queue names when you add printers via the cups web interface |
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| 01:45.01 | Nyle | debian doesn't have limewire |
| 01:45.04 | Nyle | !info limewire |
| 01:45.06 | Nyle | im sure |
| 01:45.06 | abrotman | roger: did you try the apt-get -f install bit ? |
| 01:45.15 | roger | yeah it didnt fix anything |
| 01:45.23 | roger | Nyle, i have added a un official repo |
| 01:45.28 | Nyle | roger: i see |
| 01:45.34 | streuner | roger: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 01:45.52 | abrotman | i'd guess you're running etch and you plugged in unstable sources ? |
| 01:45.53 | Nyle | roger: may I suggest frostwire.deb from frostwire's website |
| 01:45.53 | Dewi | is it possible for me to set a shorewall/iptables rule matching the userid owner of an outgoing socket? |
| 01:46.04 | roger | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:46.09 | Dewi | I would like to stop things other than my MTA from connecting on port 25 |
| 01:46.11 | Nyle | roger: just works, install with dpkg -i |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | roger: right .. that's etch |
| 01:46.15 | Dewi | (to remote hosts) |
| 01:46.22 | Nyle | roger: any reason why ou want limewire and not frostwire |
| 01:46.24 | streuner | roger: ok, just show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net, please |
| 01:46.29 | Nyle | I thought limewire was nonfree |
| 01:46.32 | roger | ok streuner |
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| 01:46.48 | streuner | java-crap |
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| 01:47.13 | dto | yay! it works |
| 01:47.20 | roger | http://www.pastebin.ca/931265 <-- source list |
| 01:47.37 | roger | i only picked limewire because its what i knew exsisted besides gtk-gnutella |
| 01:47.44 | mbroeker | roger, add contrib non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list and you will be able to install sun-java5-jre |
| 01:47.51 | abrotman | roger: where's your unofficial source for limewire |
| 01:47.54 | abrotman | mbroeker: uh .. no |
| 01:47.59 | abrotman | mbroeker: read the error again |
| 01:48.02 | Nyle | roger: frostwire deb has absolutely NO dependencies, installs easily, and just works, and if you don't have sun-java6-jre it won't load |
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| 01:48.29 | Supaplex | Dewi: iptables -m owner --help |
| 01:48.31 | roger | mbroeker, whats the full line for contrib non-free |
| 01:48.38 | abrotman | roger: ignore him . it won't help |
| 01:48.47 | roger | ok |
| 01:48.57 | Nyle | who me? |
| 01:49.08 | abrotman | roger: you tried to install a package intended for lenny/sid .. you're running etch |
| 01:49.11 | streuner | roger: also, you have 2 lines for official sources (.ca and .uk) _AND_ 2 lines for "security", one is enough in sources.list |
| 01:49.29 | Nyle | alright w/e |
| 01:49.40 | roger | abrotman, i'll remove the extra repo i added |
| 01:49.47 | abrotman | roger: you already did |
| 01:49.52 | Nyle | I would just like to know though |
| 01:49.56 | roger | ok |
| 01:49.56 | Nyle | what is so special about limewire? |
| 01:49.57 | abrotman | or you didn't paste your whole file |
| 01:50.14 | Nyle | wha is limewire doig that free frostwire can't do? |
| 01:50.17 | roger | i did paste the whole file |
| 01:50.27 | roger | Nyle, im not trying to debate limewire is better |
| 01:50.31 | roger | i simply broke my apt |
| 01:50.34 | Nyle | ohhh |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | roger: so you already removed your unofficial line ? |
| 01:50.44 | Nyle | well nevermind then |
| 01:50.48 | roger | abrotman, i must have |
| 01:50.55 | Supaplex | it's busticated :P no apt for joo! |
| 01:50.57 | Nyle | I figured you were just trying to get limewire on your box |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | roger: dpkg -P limewire ? |
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| 01:51.09 | Nyle | sorry I dunno where I was in another dimension |
| 01:51.26 | roger | its ok Nyle |
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| 01:51.38 | Supaplex | let use know when you're back ;) |
| 01:51.39 | roger | abrotman, that fixed it |
| 01:51.40 | Nyle | but yeh |
| 01:51.43 | roger | thankyou |
| 01:51.43 | Nyle | seriously though |
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| 01:51.47 | abrotman | roger: everyone happy ? |
| 01:51.51 | Nyle | it wouldn't have happened with the frostwire package |
| 01:51.52 | abrotman | except Nyle |
| 01:51.54 | roger | im all good |
| 01:51.59 | Nyle | abrotman: dude seriously fuck off |
| 01:52.03 | Nyle | good lord |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | Nyle: use /ig ? |
| 01:52.06 | streuner | haha |
| 01:52.34 | roger | i simply wanted a decent p2p.. i couldnt gtk-gnutella. which i know was decent on linux. and i knew limewire had a linux version |
| 01:52.39 | roger | i didnt know frostwire exsisted |
| 01:52.47 | Nyle | oh yeh it does exist and packae has no depends |
| 01:52.50 | Nyle | so it installs on all debians |
| 01:52.52 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:53.00 | Nyle | just make sure to jget java jre with it and you're set |
| 01:53.01 | roger | ill give it a shot |
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| 01:54.45 | roger | atleast amarok installed without trouble |
| 01:54.56 | roger | best player yet |
| 01:55.04 | roger | imho |
| 01:55.17 | Nyle | frostwire Suggests: sun-java5-jre Suggests: sun-java5-bin |
| 01:55.52 | roger | the jre just finished |
| 01:55.53 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | and if you don't have java installed at all ? does it not run? |
| 01:56.15 | Nyle | no it does not run |
| 01:56.19 | roger | apt isnt finding frostwire |
| 01:56.24 | abrotman | sounds kind of broken .. but oh well |
| 01:56.28 | Nyle | not at all |
| 01:56.38 | abrotman | does it run on gcj or sable etc ? |
| 01:56.53 | abrotman | they could make it depend on java-virtual-machine .. which would pull in a free jre |
| 01:57.03 | abrotman | kaffe .. whatever the free javas are now |
| 01:57.08 | Nyle | but that makes it debian specific |
| 01:57.16 | Nyle | right now its debian general |
| 01:57.23 | Nyle | for all distros/flavors |
| 01:57.28 | Nyle | that is imo a smart decision |
| 01:57.30 | roger | Nyle, how do i get frostwire ? |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | sounds .. broken |
| 01:57.37 | roger | is it apt or a deb from a website ? |
| 01:57.38 | Nyle | roger: got your java installed? |
| 01:57.40 | roger | yes |
| 01:58.12 | Nyle | http://www.frostwire.com/?id=downloads |
| 01:58.17 | roger | ty |
| 01:58.19 | Nyle | click ubuntu/debian |
| 01:58.23 | Nyle | save package |
| 01:58.35 | Nyle | open console, type as root, dpkg -i frostwire.deb |
| 01:58.37 | Nyle | or w/e file name |
| 01:58.43 | roger | ok |
| 01:58.44 | Nyle | type frostwire or use the menu |
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| 01:59.49 | Nyle | abrotman: even morons on windows know limewire/frostwire wont run without java/jre |
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| 02:00.05 | Nyle | so not making it dpened on java for any distro was a good idea by the packager |
| 02:00.07 | abrotman | Nyle: really .. then why did you ask him if he had java installed? |
| 02:00.10 | Nyle | as frost installs easily |
| 02:00.27 | Nyle | abrotman: because you're an ass, thats why. |
| 02:00.35 | Nyle | w/e |
| 02:00.36 | abrotman | you didn't ask me |
| 02:00.57 | roger | sweet. starship troopers is on |
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| 02:01.06 | Nyle | roger: I seen it too many times recently |
| 02:01.31 | roger | its on peachtree tv tonight. i havent seen it in a long time |
| 02:01.42 | Nyle | i got it on my 'puter |
| 02:01.56 | Supaplex | Nyle has a puter? |
| 02:02.00 | Nyle | he does indeed |
| 02:02.01 | roger | heh heh |
| 02:02.03 | Nyle | ;) |
| 02:02.11 | roger | i need to get a movie collection going again |
| 02:02.16 | Nyle | let me how much i got |
| 02:02.56 | Nyle | 144 movies, 94.7gb |
| 02:03.01 | Nyle | eh |
| 02:03.12 | roger | :) |
| 02:03.19 | Nyle | i upload at like 8kb/s |
| 02:03.21 | Supaplex | pirate nyle of the 7 movie stuidos, ARRRR! |
| 02:03.23 | roger | n/m |
| 02:03.31 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:03.34 | roger | hehhehh |
| 02:03.53 | Nyle | I have about 900 audio cds on my pc |
| 02:04.01 | Supaplex | do not |
| 02:04.04 | Nyle | do too |
| 02:04.10 | Nyle | since 1998 my man |
| 02:04.13 | Supaplex | nuh uhh |
| 02:04.16 | roger | heh heh |
| 02:04.18 | Nyle | 80% metal i'd say |
| 02:04.23 | roger | i have one and counting |
| 02:04.23 | Nyle | some rock and techno and other junk |
| 02:04.51 | Nyle | Supaplex: well ripped and some downloaded but full 900+ albums + pics + lyrics |
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| 02:04.59 | Nyle | well not for ALL of em but still |
| 02:05.08 | Nyle | amarok is awesome and its script tht manage lyrics |
| 02:05.12 | Nyle | oh man sweetness |
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| 02:05.26 | roger | i love amarok |
| 02:05.33 | Nyle | its awesome man indeed |
| 02:05.44 | Nyle | have you tried songbir? |
| 02:05.46 | Nyle | songbird? |
| 02:05.50 | roger | no |
| 02:05.56 | Nyle | it based on firefox |
| 02:05.58 | EruditeHermit | hi, when I try to do pbuilder create, I get W: BAD signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key and it errors out |
| 02:06.01 | Nyle | yeh immagine that |
| 02:06.13 | Supaplex | oh heck yeah! I have d-i running in uml. *hotness* |
| 02:06.19 | roger | heh heh |
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| 02:07.10 | MsCleo | damn 724 people here |
| 02:07.39 | Nyle | MsCleo: you aint gonna make no money off of us |
| 02:07.54 | Nyle | we're computer people |
| 02:08.03 | Nyle | logical. we don't deal in tarot cards ;) |
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| 02:08.35 | MsCleo | Nyle - your boyfriend - he's cheating on you right now ! call me 900 # and I'll tell you why |
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| 02:08.48 | MsCleo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.50 | Nyle | my boyfriend is in a coma |
| 02:08.55 | Nyle | show some respect |
| 02:09.06 | MsCleo | damn ,- call my OTHER 900 then - sorry bout that |
| 02:09.14 | MsCleo | so, what's the lifespan of debian |
| 02:09.18 | MsCleo | will there ever be a merger ? |
| 02:09.21 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:09.24 | Nyle | ohhhhh shit |
| 02:09.28 | Nyle | that was a major burn |
| 02:09.31 | Nyle | damn. |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: tried another mirror |
| 02:09.45 | Supaplex | MsCleo: uhm, just call the 900# and ask |
| 02:09.46 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: how do I do that? |
| 02:09.48 | Nyle | MsCleo: but you can't argue that debian/stable just works |
| 02:09.55 | MsCleo | oh it does |
| 02:09.58 | MsCleo | just wondering - |
| 02:10.00 | Nyle | stable AND secure, regardless of it seemingly in a coma |
| 02:10.02 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: nvm its in the man page give me a sec |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: okay then |
| 02:10.16 | Nyle | and no debian is not in a coma ffs, have a look at sid, amazingly developed |
| 02:10.24 | netdaemon | there is a reason why people chose to run testing/sid on desktops |
| 02:10.28 | MsCleo | I like debian people Nyle -dont' get me wrong - |
| 02:10.41 | MsCleo | it IS reliable - yes |
| 02:10.41 | Nyle | MsCleo: I try not to take women the wrong way |
| 02:10.48 | Supaplex | MsCleo: he's a pill, don't take him to heart. :) |
| 02:10.48 | Nyle | usually they are psycho and end up hitting me |
| 02:10.49 | Nyle | :( |
| 02:10.58 | abrotman | seriously |
| 02:11.01 | MsCleo | lol Nyle - yeah - I agree |
| 02:11.04 | Nyle | j/k |
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| 02:11.23 | MsCleo | so does the planet once you genderize it as mother earth, those damn tornados and hurricanes beating me up |
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| 02:11.36 | abrotman | MsCleo: do you have a Debian question or not? |
| 02:11.39 | Nyle | MsCleo: do you have a debian related auestion? |
| 02:11.42 | Nyle | jinx. |
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| 02:12.00 | MsCleo | Nyle and abrotman - no, just stopping in - I'll go now - nice to see things are alive though |
| 02:12.08 | Nyle | great, g'nite. |
| 02:12.12 | MsCleo | I'm still running Dec unix on my Dec Station 5000 heh |
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| 02:12.27 | Supaplex | heh |
| 02:12.33 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: any luck ? |
| 02:12.42 | Supaplex | #debian, the place were tools show up... |
| 02:12.52 | Nyle | hahahaha |
| 02:13.20 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: how do I specify the mirror location. The man page doesn't say how. Do I need the deb and at the end do I need main contrib etc |
| 02:13.25 | Nyle | ok time to bake |
| 02:13.31 | EruditeHermit | --mirror <something> |
| 02:14.16 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: the man page tells you |
| 02:15.04 | roger | ok bbiab im gonna go watch this movie for a bit |
| 02:15.08 | roger | thx for the help guys |
| 02:15.12 | Nyle | sure |
| 02:15.16 | Nyle | have fun |
| 02:15.19 | Roge|Away | ty |
| 02:15.36 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: still get the same error |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: i just installed and ran pbuilder create .. no issues |
| 02:16.06 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: oh wait the australian one worked |
| 02:16.12 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:16.14 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: the US mirrors don't work for me |
| 02:16.15 | abrotman | make up your mind! |
| 02:16.18 | EruditeHermit | lol |
| 02:16.23 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: you're a stinky foreigner! |
| 02:16.26 | EruditeHermit | I tried a bunch |
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| 02:17.03 | EruditeHermit | you just have to keep trying different ones |
| 02:17.10 | EruditeHermit | eventually one will work |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: FWIW .. i didn't have to .. worked on the first one |
| 02:17.33 | abrotman | and my source is the mit.edu mirror |
| 02:17.36 | EruditeHermit | try http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 02:17.43 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 02:17.45 | abrotman | xsdg: your tuition pays for my mirror! :) |
| 02:17.51 | EruditeHermit | my mirror is oregonstate |
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| 02:18.07 | EruditeHermit | and I also tried the debian us mirror |
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| 02:20.50 | EruditeHermit | slow as hell from australia though |
| 02:20.51 | EruditeHermit | =p |
| 02:21.19 | Nyle | i use something here in nyc |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | how much does it have to get ? |
| 02:22.14 | arooni | how do i fix my language issue |
| 02:22.17 | arooni | being in ukranian |
| 02:22.27 | Nyle | arooni: what do you want/ |
| 02:22.29 | dkr | !locale |
| 02:22.29 | dpkg | somebody said locale was set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
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| 02:22.46 | Nyle | hfhfh |
| 02:22.50 | Nyle | oops |
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| 02:23.43 | MajorP47 | hi, would be someone so nice and can look at my log, what goes wrong? http://pastebin.com/d9b5f25e |
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| 02:24.32 | abrotman | MajorP47: what are you compiling and why? |
| 02:24.48 | Nyle | seems to be mysql |
| 02:24.55 | abrotman | seems to be ... |
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| 02:27.02 | abrotman | we'll never know |
| 02:27.19 | MajorP47 | right mysql on debian |
| 02:27.53 | Nyle | why?! |
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| 02:28.40 | MajorP47 | why not?! |
| 02:28.52 | Nyle | because of aptitude install mysql-server |
| 02:28.54 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: thanks btw |
| 02:29.01 | MajorP47 | a simple question is too much for u right? :) |
| 02:29.04 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: as long as it's working |
| 02:29.12 | abrotman | MajorP47: why are you compiling mysql |
| 02:29.13 | Nyle | MajorP47: if you need to make changes or patch the source, grab the source package |
| 02:29.16 | MajorP47 | Nyle, because of is sick |
| 02:29.23 | MajorP47 | i WANT TO COMPILE IT |
| 02:29.24 | abrotman | eh? |
| 02:29.26 | Nyle | arooni: why not |
| 02:29.30 | abrotman | MajorP47: then ask #mysql |
| 02:29.35 | MajorP47 | i did |
| 02:29.35 | Nyle | arooni: sorry not you |
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| 02:29.44 | abrotman | MajorP47: either use the debian package or ask #mysql |
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| 02:30.44 | icesword | abrotman, hello |
| 02:30.46 | MajorP47 | yes ok THANKS |
| 02:30.49 | Nyle | see the problem with debian pckages is that they work |
| 02:30.58 | Nyle | they simply just work (stable) |
| 02:31.11 | MajorP47 | right, i know, u dont need to say me :) |
| 02:31.12 | Nyle | and mostly true for testing/unstable too |
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| 02:31.24 | MajorP47 | ure very clever, thanks ure parents! cya |
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| 02:34.18 | netdaemon | debian <3 |
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| 02:35.51 | Nyle | huh? |
| 02:35.57 | Nyle | debian is less than three? |
| 02:36.26 | Roge|Away | i think thas a heart |
| 02:36.28 | Roge|Away | thats |
| 02:36.33 | Nyle | really? |
| 02:36.40 | Nyle | looks nothing like a heart |
| 02:36.41 | torrr | do ya know which channel talk about Sieve? |
| 02:36.55 | Nyle | torrr: if anything try the name |
| 02:36.57 | Roge|Away | look at it sideways and ignore the space |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | torrr: the postfix thing ? |
| 02:37.16 | Nyle | i did look at it sideways like s miley would |
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| 02:37.22 | abrotman | eh .. nevermind |
| 02:37.26 | Nyle | but its just ... probably depends on the font I guess |
| 02:37.33 | Roge|Away | prolly |
| 02:37.35 | magyar | dpkg -l "app" shows app "un" "version=none" how can i find out what is the version in the pool? |
| 02:37.35 | dpkg | ii "app" shows app "un" "version=none" how can i find out what is the version in the pool 1.6-14.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 02:37.48 | Roge|Away | i thought id come back while the add was on |
| 02:37.53 | Roge|Away | whats up |
| 02:37.59 | Roge|Away | ass |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | magyar: apt-cache policy |
| 02:38.01 | Roge|Away | err |
| 02:38.01 | torrr | abrotman, its general mailserver I think |
| 02:38.04 | Roge|Away | sorry |
| 02:38.15 | Roge|Away | that wasnt intentional |
| 02:38.18 | torrr | Nyle, I am the only one at #Sieve |
| 02:38.20 | Nyle | magyar: come again? |
| 02:38.25 | Nyle | torrr: what is it? |
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| 02:39.16 | torrr | Nyle, I am not sure, but from what I get, it is doing tests on incoming mail and do some actions acording to test results |
| 02:39.40 | magyar | abrotman: as always, you rock |
| 02:39.57 | magyar | Nyle: go back to sleep -_- |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | Nyle: see .. i rock .. you sleep :) |
| 02:41.00 | Roge|Away | ad's over |
| 02:41.02 | Roge|Away | later |
| 02:41.25 | Nyle | abrotman: i shall smile as well :) |
| 02:41.58 | Nyle | abrotman++ |
| 02:44.02 | Nyle | I was configuring kde's text to speech engine |
| 02:44.11 | Nyle | and um well it isn't doing anything |
| 02:44.59 | Nyle | its been stuck on testing. multisyn voices require several seconds to load. please be patient |
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| 02:45.14 | abrotman | toresbe got festival to read IRC to him |
| 02:45.17 | Nyle | its been 7 minutes so far... |
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| 02:45.26 | Nyle | I see him in #music |
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| 02:46.08 | Nyle | every now and again |
| 02:46.08 | abrotman | yes .. he told me you insulted him |
| 02:46.08 | Nyle | right |
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| 02:50.12 | Nyle | 12 minutes |
| 02:50.20 | Nyle | still nothing. |
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| 02:53.33 | Nyle | I had to kill it |
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| 02:57.05 | Nyle | fuck it |
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| 03:08.08 | Nyle | chacha ne chachi ko chang pe charh ke chatni chatayi |
| 03:08.28 | Nyle | how much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood |
| 03:08.49 | amphi | in urdu? heh |
| 03:08.57 | Nyle | lol no |
| 03:09.05 | Nyle | well yes but soemthing else in urdu not tranlation of that |
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| 03:09.47 | Nyle | amphi: what do you speak besides English, if anything? |
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| 03:10.33 | Nyle | and not counting pig latin or gibberish |
| 03:10.38 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:11.03 | Nyle | actually I hear there might be a goat latin too |
| 03:11.10 | amphi | Nyle: nepali, I can understand some hindi, but it's quite different, .es, .fr. .de (although all three of those are quite corroded) |
| 03:11.25 | Nyle | hindi eh |
| 03:11.27 | Nyle | like what |
| 03:11.48 | Nyle | amphi: kya haal hai? |
| 03:11.52 | Nyle | for example |
| 03:12.25 | amphi | nouns mostly, because they often the same as nepali; verbs have a similar root, often, viz. jayange/jhane |
| 03:13.05 | amphi | haal? all I ever heard was 'kya hai?' |
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| 03:13.18 | amphi | 'ke chha?' in .np |
| 03:13.26 | Nyle | kya hai == what is/what is it/what is that etc. etc. |
| 03:13.36 | Nyle | ke cha in bangali too |
| 03:13.40 | Nyle | bangla |
| 03:13.43 | amphi | 'kya hai' I know, but not haal |
| 03:13.52 | Nyle | haal means status literally |
| 03:13.56 | Nyle | how is yoru status |
| 03:13.59 | Nyle | 'how are you' |
| 03:14.00 | Nyle | hehe :) |
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| 03:14.44 | Nyle | us ka haal theek nahi (his status good not) |
| 03:14.50 | Nyle | hes not feeling well |
| 03:14.54 | amphi | thik thak is a common .np variant, from 'thik chha?' |
| 03:14.55 | Nyle | etc. |
| 03:15.11 | Nyle | amphi: yes, thik cha is said to a person who is older than you |
| 03:15.21 | Nyle | thik thak is generic for fit fat |
| 03:15.26 | Nyle | hunky dori |
| 03:15.45 | amphi | not in .np; it's impersonal, no honorific |
| 03:15.59 | Nyle | really? |
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| 03:16.23 | Nyle | I have a friend from nepal back home and he adresses people diff based on their age/honor level |
| 03:16.37 | amphi | 'thik chha?' means '[the things generally pertaining to you] are ok?', more or less |
| 03:16.49 | Nyle | yeh |
| 03:16.54 | amphi | sure, tapai, thimi, etc. |
| 03:16.59 | Nyle | its translated purely as 'theek hai?' |
| 03:17.11 | Nyle | meaning are you fit, are you ok? |
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| 03:17.55 | Nyle | amphi: are you ... what/where are you from? |
| 03:18.11 | Nyle | just a regular ol' europeon white guy |
| 03:18.12 | Nyle | ? |
| 03:18.14 | amphi | in .np, AFAIK the chha does not refer to the person, but their situation, obviating honorifics; if you want to be polite, 'tapailia kasti chha?' |
| 03:18.27 | amphi | Nyle: yup, .ie |
| 03:18.32 | Nyle | !ie |
| 03:18.32 | dpkg | somebody said ie was the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer |
| 03:18.37 | Nyle | ahh cousine |
| 03:18.41 | amphi | 'Yurp' to you, BTW ;) |
| 03:18.42 | Nyle | I remember |
| 03:18.45 | Nyle | aye |
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| 03:19.17 | Nyle | the land of the Ire |
| 03:19.49 | Nyle | my grandmother is from the land of the scott |
| 03:19.53 | amphi | tibetan has even worse honorifics; the entire vocabulary changes, not just pronouns and verbs |
| 03:19.53 | Nyle | scot* |
| 03:20.05 | neosix | well I like celts :) |
| 03:20.06 | Nyle | amphi: I can immagine, honor bound monks |
| 03:20.13 | xuser | with what do you rip audio CDs from the cli? |
| 03:20.29 | abrotman | i was using jack |
| 03:20.41 | hooya_ | amphi: how did you learn nepali? |
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| 03:20.43 | amphi | xuser: or cdparanoia |
| 03:21.19 | amphi | hooya_: drunken blathering had a large part to play ;) |
| 03:21.49 | amphi | hooya_: I also had a book by a SOAS guy whose name I forget |
| 03:22.29 | hooya_ | i am from .np ;) |
| 03:22.35 | Nyle | amphi: can't wait for my American passport |
| 03:22.41 | amphi | hooya_: cool - ktm? |
| 03:22.45 | hooya_ | yup |
| 03:22.57 | neosix | Nyle: where are you from? |
| 03:22.59 | Nyle | that will enable me to leave the country |
| 03:23.04 | xuser | jack looks nice |
| 03:23.06 | Nyle | just had my biometrics done |
| 03:23.08 | amphi | hooya_: whereabouts? I used to live in patan |
| 03:23.14 | xuser | amphi: that's the name |
| 03:23.17 | amphi | satdobato |
| 03:23.18 | hooya_ | imagine my surprise when i started seeing nepali here .. |
| 03:23.21 | Nyle | Pakistan |
| 03:23.26 | amphi | hooya_: heh |
| 03:23.29 | hooya_ | amphi: chabahil |
| 03:23.29 | neosix | OK |
| 03:23.43 | amphi | hooya_: uhuh |
| 03:23.48 | hooya_ | amphi: currently in chicago |
| 03:24.07 | Nyle | how is the piza there? |
| 03:24.13 | amphi | hooya_: been away long? |
| 03:24.18 | hooya_ | 12yrs |
| 03:24.31 | Nyle | I hear the deep dish pizza is called chicago style |
| 03:24.41 | hooya_ | pizza is good. |
| 03:24.42 | Nyle | man pizza in new york sucks regardless of what people say |
| 03:24.59 | hooya_ | uno |
| 03:25.00 | Nyle | yeh some spots are good |
| 03:25.01 | amphi | hooya_: I knew aa tibetan carpet guy (phuntsok, not that narrows it down much) who went to chicago, and is still there AFAIK |
| 03:25.05 | Nyle | but generaly they suck |
| 03:25.07 | abrotman | Nyle: it's a preference .. i find philly/chicago style suck compared to ny style |
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| 03:25.14 | hooya_ | amphi: where are you? |
| 03:25.17 | Nyle | abrotman: of course it is a pref. |
| 03:25.25 | amphi | hooya_: .uk ATM |
| 03:25.29 | Nyle | it doesn't really suck (only to me though) |
| 03:25.31 | hooya_ | there's preference. then there is taste. |
| 03:25.42 | Nyle | pref. is based on taste |
| 03:25.48 | Nyle | I would immagine |
| 03:25.54 | Nyle | otherwise wtf is the use of tasting |
| 03:26.04 | Nyle | thats HOW you decide WHAT you prefer |
| 03:26.08 | Nyle | I mean... |
| 03:26.32 | amphi | hooya_: I first learned nepali in ktm, and then in darj., so my accent is all screwed up; half the time I say dai, otherwise daju, and so on ;) |
| 03:26.39 | Nyle | I don't even know what I mean |
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| 03:26.52 | hooya_ | neither do i |
| 03:27.07 | Nyle | man I love the internets |
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| 03:27.10 | hooya_ | just trying to find a clever to put down ny pizza. and failing. |
| 03:27.16 | Nyle | people from all over the world get to talk together |
| 03:27.24 | Nyle | it is really great |
| 03:27.24 | hooya_ | it's a series of tubes |
| 03:27.32 | snogglethorpe | hooya_: tubes of fire |
| 03:27.50 | hooya_ | that was courtesy of ted stevens |
| 03:28.00 | Nyle | w/e |
| 03:28.16 | hooya_ | amphi: how long have you been in .uk? |
| 03:28.19 | hooya_ | w/e? |
| 03:28.23 | amphi | hooya_: mind you, the other Stevens does make reference to 'long fat pipes' |
| 03:28.25 | snogglethorpe | it is very cool working on a development project, and seeing different peopel start responding to msgs at different times, as the sun travels aroudn the globe... |
| 03:28.39 | Nyle | snogglethorpe: yes, yes it is |
| 03:28.42 | amphi | hooya_: about a year |
| 03:28.49 | hooya_ | having fun there? |
| 03:29.20 | Nyle | amphi: wait, you are just living in uk/.ie |
| 03:29.27 | Nyle | you're not from there? you're not Irish? |
| 03:29.34 | hooya_ | snogglethorpe: i think galileo put the 'sun travels' thing to rest, didn't he? |
| 03:29.37 | abrotman | Nyle: he already said .. |
| 03:29.42 | hooya_ | ;) |
| 03:29.47 | Nyle | I was not here |
| 03:30.00 | snogglethorpe | hooya_: yeah but he's dead :-) |
| 03:30.04 | amphi | Nyle: yeah, I'm from .ie, but I roam about somewhat |
| 03:30.11 | abrotman | yes you were .. he said it right in the middle of your random babbling |
| 03:30.23 | hooya_ | no, he's just orbiting in high heaven |
| 03:30.24 | Nyle | amphi: ahh |
| 03:30.34 | Nyle | hehe yeh I do kinda babble on randomly |
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| 03:31.06 | snogglethorpe | Nyle: better than random flaming |
| 03:31.15 | Nyle | yes yes it is |
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| 03:31.29 | etch_lpt | hi |
| 03:31.32 | xsdg | abrotman: the sweet thing is that I can usually get at least 20MB/s to debian.lcs |
| 03:31.33 | Nyle | I've never really been one for flaming flaming |
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| 03:31.36 | Nyle | etch_lpt: hi |
| 03:31.48 | Nyle | xsdg: nice! |
| 03:31.54 | abrotman | xsdg: that sounds .. kind of slow for a "local" mirror |
| 03:32.01 | hooya_ | amphi: it's nice to meet a debianite from .np. there aren't that many peeps from .np to begin with - what, with the country being so small and all.. :) |
| 03:32.12 | etch_lpt | which runlevel do i need to be adding kdm into inittab again? |
| 03:32.31 | abrotman | etch_lpt: you don't .. |
| 03:32.34 | xsdg | abrotman: actually, that's a lie, from where I'm sitting, though I _can_ consistently get ~11MB/sec to it from here |
| 03:32.43 | xsdg | abrotman: (this machine is off of a 100MBit switch) |
| 03:32.45 | etch_lpt | oh, where do i put it then? |
| 03:32.46 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:32.47 | Nyle | hooya_: I used to have this story about a Tantrik from Nepal, and his pupil, the Chosen one of the snakes o something, he had powers and could communicate with snakes and was immune to poison and shit |
| 03:32.49 | dabreegster | aptitude and other programs using the curses line drawing characters are outputting strange unicodeish gibberish instead. elinks works correctly if set to vt100, but does the gibberish when set to linux frames. Running on the console, $TERM=linux. What package is responsible? termcap? |
| 03:32.51 | hooya_ | i swear i read that as 'adding ktm to inittab' and thinking 'why'? |
| 03:32.52 | Nyle | hooya_: great stuff |
| 03:32.53 | abrotman | etch_lpt: just install it .. it will configure itself |
| 03:33.00 | etch_lpt | abrotman: to automatically load on startup? |
| 03:33.03 | Nyle | hooya_: other nepal stories or legens I enjoy too |
| 03:33.09 | etch_lpt | k, lemme reboot |
| 03:33.10 | abrotman | etch_lpt: yes |
| 03:33.18 | abrotman | etch_lpt: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 03:33.34 | amphi | hooya_: I'm not from .np ;) I just lived there for some time |
| 03:33.41 | hooya_ | Nyle: heh. well, lacking the antics of the likes of britney spears.. the people have to entertain themselves somehow.. :) |
| 03:33.41 | xsdg | at CSAIL, though, I've definitely gotten 20MB/sec (which is reasonable, presuming that it's behind some sort of traffic shaping) |
| 03:33.58 | hooya_ | amphi: well, honarary .np then. |
| 03:34.07 | amphi | hooya_: thanks ;) |
| 03:34.10 | snogglethorpe | dabreegster: have you tried customizing elinks in the "settings / terminal" menu (forget the exact name, but it's fairly obvious)? |
| 03:34.11 | Nyle | hooya_: familiar with Ramayan or Maha Bharat? |
| 03:34.13 | hooya_ | you're welcome |
| 03:34.17 | hooya_ | Nyle: yeah |
| 03:34.23 | abrotman | xsdg: just wait til you graduate .. and you have normal bandwidth :) |
| 03:34.26 | Nyle | good stuff too |
| 03:34.32 | etch_lpt | all it shows in ps aux is kdm -config /var/run... |
| 03:34.37 | xsdg | abrotman: I'm going to hate it. I hate it every time I go home :o) |
| 03:34.40 | etch_lpt | after doing kdm restart |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:34.50 | dabreegster | snogglethorpe: yes i did. with vt100, the lines show up right. with linux, they dont. problem is, other curses apps like aptitude and anything with perl Curses module fudges those ANSI line characters |
| 03:34.51 | amphi | hooya_: did you ever go to Darj. ? |
| 03:34.54 | Nyle | hooya_: I'm not sure what to make of your statements |
| 03:34.54 | hooya_ | Nyle: being an athiest, those were great works of fiction |
| 03:35.24 | Nyle | Being anything, doesn't matter, them religion shits contain some damn good entertaining bedtime stories |
| 03:35.27 | Nyle | ;) |
| 03:35.38 | hooya_ | amphi: no. my family did. i didn't get the chance to. was pissed to see the pictures of them enjoying the beautiful scenary.. :( |
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| 03:35.47 | Nyle | dabreegster: hey welcome back |
| 03:35.47 | hooya_ | Nyle: kidding around.. |
| 03:35.51 | dabreegster | Ah! Inspiration! SVGATextMode is the cause. It wasn't loading a font or something. Thanks - I just answered my own again |
| 03:35.51 | Nyle | dabreegster: whats goin on |
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| 03:35.54 | dabreegster | Hey Nyle |
| 03:36.07 | amphi | hooya_: yeah, I liked it a lot up there, and Sikkim |
| 03:36.15 | Nyle | dabreegster: thas what I like helpin u man |
| 03:36.22 | dabreegster | Nyle: not much. just solved my own problem again. Been getting my laptop up to speed so I can my class my roguelike science fair tomorrow |
| 03:36.25 | Nyle | you're smart tude who knows how to get help |
| 03:36.31 | Nyle | and help himself |
| 03:36.34 | Nyle | dude |
| 03:36.37 | Nyle | haha tude |
| 03:36.48 | hooya_ | Nyle: my grandma used to read them to me. kinda like my bedtime stories. there are some fun mini-stories in there. never took them too seriously tho. |
| 03:36.50 | dabreegster | Nyle: I've been using debian for over 4 years. I was just clueless about grub and stuff |
| 03:37.09 | Nyle | dabreegster: like seriously, 4 years and no grub clue" |
| 03:37.10 | Nyle | " |
| 03:37.11 | Nyle | ? |
| 03:37.12 | Nyle | dodajdl;jf;lakjsdlf |
| 03:37.15 | Nyle | fucking keyboard |
| 03:37.35 | hooya_ | Nyle: where are you from? |
| 03:37.43 | xerophyt1 | does anybody use netapp + nfs .. i am getting permission denied when try to do mknod on the nfs mount. .but normal file operation works .. does anybody knwo why ? |
| 03:37.47 | Nyle | I am from a 'stan' country |
| 03:37.57 | hooya_ | ah. |
| 03:37.59 | Nyle | paki |
| 03:38.09 | snogglethorpe | Nyle: is that a real stan country?? |
| 03:38.11 | hooya_ | not from kryzistan, i hope.. |
| 03:38.18 | Nyle | I just said paki |
| 03:38.21 | Nyle | paki + stan |
| 03:38.26 | dabreegster | Nyle: i know how to use grub and stuff. never really had to mess with menu.lst manually. i wouldve been fine if i'd've had a cd drive. never booted with netboot before |
| 03:38.35 | xsdg | abrotman: what's a nice, bit package to test download speed? I grabbed the kernel (45 megs) in 2 seconds |
| 03:38.40 | hooya_ | i know. i was just pointing out the unfortunate name of a real country. |
| 03:38.41 | amphi | hooya_: I liked the 'baital pachisi'? did you come across them? |
| 03:38.51 | abrotman | xsdg: that is a big file .. |
| 03:38.52 | Nyle | dabreegster: really? in 4 years you never tried to install debian through ALL methods possibly available |
| 03:38.56 | Nyle | dabreegster: I have! |
| 03:38.57 | abrotman | xsdg: and that's just wrong |
| 03:38.59 | Nyle | dabreegster: its a lot of fun |
| 03:39.03 | hooya_ | amphi: doesn't ring a bell |
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| 03:39.27 | dabreegster | Nyle: only one machine before now, never had a reason to randomly reinstall |
| 03:39.40 | amphi | hooya_: in the english transalation which I read, the title is rendered as 'bikram and the vampire' |
| 03:39.44 | Nyle | dabreegster: on 1 machine, ok then |
| 03:39.53 | Nyle | Vikram |
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| 03:40.10 | Nyle | a hard V |
| 03:40.13 | hooya_ | ah.. i read those as 'bikram aur betal'. in hindi of course. |
| 03:40.16 | etch_lpt | X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. |
| 03:40.21 | etch_lpt | ? |
| 03:40.29 | etch_lpt | that's failed kdm |
| 03:40.30 | amphi | that's them |
| 03:40.34 | abrotman | etch_lpt: did you install 'xorg' ? |
| 03:40.39 | etch_lpt | bleh |
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| 03:41.03 | amphi | Nyle: .np and .in transliteration systems are quite different ;) |
| 03:41.20 | etch_lpt | I thought that went rather quick... |
| 03:41.39 | etch_lpt | xorg is not installed as a dep since XFree86 or another x server might be present? |
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| 03:42.39 | hooya_ | Nyle: and that hard V causes quite a frustrating experience for pronouncing the nepali king's name right for hindi speakers |
| 03:43.01 | hooya_ | or at least when birendra was king |
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| 03:43.42 | lanthrax | hey all, I'm having some troubles booting up debian, I just finished installing it, and when I boot it says, "hda: lost interrupt" |
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| 03:44.05 | hooya_ | find it. |
| 03:44.08 | hooya_ | :) |
| 03:44.34 | Nyle | virendra |
| 03:44.35 | neosix | lantrax: did you delete partition where you installed debian |
| 03:44.36 | Nyle | ffs |
| 03:44.37 | argonl | why would apt-get decide to install a package that is not a dependent but rather a recommended package? |
| 03:44.37 | Nyle | ;) |
| 03:44.50 | abrotman | argonl: you're using lenny/sid |
| 03:44.54 | dabreegster | is 115 fahrenheit hot for a laptop? |
| 03:44.54 | Nyle | argonl: becasue thats how it ships now |
| 03:44.57 | lanthrax | NeoMIRV, i'm pretty certain no |
| 03:45.00 | hooya_ | well, the full name was 'birendra bir bikran shah dev'. |
| 03:45.08 | lanthrax | neosix, I'm pretty certain no |
| 03:45.12 | hooya_ | s/bikran/bikram/ |
| 03:45.15 | amphi | Nyle: virendra vir vikram? ;) |
| 03:45.19 | xsdg | dabreegster: it's not too bad |
| 03:45.20 | Nyle | dabreegster: about a bit hot yes |
| 03:45.25 | argonl | abrotman: i guess i need a more verbose explanation |
| 03:45.31 | xsdg | dabreegster: that's in the mid 40s celsius, no? |
| 03:45.34 | dabreegster | i need to tell acpi to force the fan on |
| 03:45.36 | dabreegster | xsdg: yes |
| 03:45.43 | xsdg | dabreegster: yeah, that's reasonable |
| 03:45.46 | abrotman | argonl: yes or no? |
| 03:45.55 | xsdg | dabreegster: maybe on the borderline, depending on the laptop |
| 03:46.03 | Nyle | amphi: that is correct. Some indian people also and nepali and sri lankans can't pronouce a V or even if they can, the thing is soo set now they just use b instead of V |
| 03:46.07 | argonl | abrotman: yes |
| 03:46.11 | dabreegster | xsdg: considering im using an ac adaptor about 12volts more than the battery.. :P |
| 03:46.12 | amphi | hooya_: 'sri panch maharaj tiraj' also, no? ;) (it's a title, I know) |
| 03:46.14 | neosix | lantrax: well you have to install Debian on blank partition |
| 03:46.21 | Nyle | amphi: goes back to the language from which they originated |
| 03:46.34 | Nyle | sri is a title |
| 03:46.42 | hooya_ | s/tiraj/dhiraj/ |
| 03:46.47 | amphi | Nyle: that's all a title |
| 03:46.52 | Nyle | panch is 5, maharan is great lord, tiraj is name |
| 03:46.53 | abrotman | argonl: moment |
| 03:46.55 | amphi | oops |
| 03:46.58 | lanthrax | neosix, i know, I just formated it and installed |
| 03:47.01 | Nyle | tiraj is a proper noun |
| 03:47.16 | hooya_ | dhiraj is 'lord'. |
| 03:47.24 | amphi | Nyle: it was a scrivener's error |
| 03:47.25 | Nyle | could be |
| 03:47.31 | Nyle | anyway this is too long and too ot now |
| 03:47.36 | Nyle | chan aint dead no more |
| 03:47.40 | Nyle | ##linguistics |
| 03:47.45 | abrotman | argonl: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.7.11/changelog ... search for "Recommends" |
| 03:47.59 | neosix | lantrax: do you install grud in MBR |
| 03:48.11 | hooya_ | it's really 'shri shri shri shri shri maharaj dhiraj'. meaning "great (to the power of five) lord" |
| 03:48.34 | Nyle | my sanskrit is not THAT great |
| 03:48.40 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:48.44 | lanthrax | neosix, yes |
| 03:48.44 | Nyle | anyway off with ya |
| 03:48.45 | hooya_ | which is then shortened to "shri (x5) great loard". |
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| 03:49.47 | argonl | abrotman: ok, thanks for pointing that out. i didn't get notified that was changing, which is probably expected. any ideas where i can look for justification as to why i'd want this? |
| 03:49.47 | neosix | lantrax: and installation passed without errors |
| 03:49.55 | hooya_ | when the ranas (the prime minister) held the king and the country hostage in their coup, they gave themselves "shri tin" meaning "great (to the power of 3)" to show that they were great but not quite as great as the king... |
| 03:50.02 | lanthrax | neosix, yeah |
| 03:50.06 | abrotman | argonl: i think they sent an email to d-d-a .. |
| 03:50.31 | abrotman | argonl: and recommends are a good idea .. if you don't want them, i believe there's an option to aptitude to not get them |
| 03:50.33 | neosix | lantrax: do you have other OS on your comp |
| 03:50.51 | lanthrax | yeah |
| 03:50.56 | Nyle | enouf: ping |
| 03:51.04 | lanthrax | i duel boot between windows and linux, I just formated fedora |
| 03:51.30 | argonl | abrotman: its installing docs, i don't want them :) |
| 03:51.38 | Nyle | 09:05 < enouf> Nyle: create a /99recommend file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d with content; "APT::Install-Recommends "false";" ? |
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| 03:51.55 | Nyle | enouf: what /99? |
| 03:51.56 | Nyle | typo? |
| 03:51.58 | Nyle | obviously |
| 03:52.08 | Nyle | no clue |
| 03:52.27 | Nyle | yes yes yes token |
| 03:52.41 | Nyle | goofy job |
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| 03:53.36 | Nyle | argonl: thats what you need to do there |
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| 03:53.57 | dos000 | how do i enable perl in apache2 on etch ? i can see a mod_perl in there ! |
| 03:54.17 | argonl | Nyle: thanks |
| 03:54.19 | dos000 | i mean i cant see |
| 03:54.25 | Nyle | argonl: sure |
| 03:55.04 | argonl | ahh, i see. i wonder if the docs should be suggested, not recommended |
| 03:55.34 | Nyle | its the same thing man what does it matter these days |
| 03:55.43 | Nyle | I'm sure you have enough net speed and disk space for docs |
| 03:56.04 | argonl | err, it shouldn't be.. from my reading suggests should not be installed automatically |
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| 03:56.19 | abrotman | Suggests aren't |
| 03:57.36 | argonl | its not just docs, it seems that i went to install a <1mb python script and got 170mb worth of junk, some of that is due to the recommends |
| 03:57.50 | argonl | i run kde, i do not need the entirety of the gnome desktop installed :) |
| 03:57.52 | Nyle | its a pain in the ass man |
| 03:57.54 | Nyle | i know |
| 03:58.03 | Nyle | argonl: kde ftw! |
| 03:58.10 | Nyle | !beer argonl |
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| 03:58.36 | argonl | heh |
| 03:59.27 | argonl | ahh, much more reasonable. 20 new packages instead of 91 |
| 03:59.43 | Nyle | great |
| 04:01.07 | Nyle | *sigh* ahhhh boy |
| 04:01.22 | Nyle | time to go to the stoned age ;) |
| 04:02.00 | argonl | anyhow, thanks for the help |
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| 04:02.16 | Nyle | you are welcome |
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| 04:04.34 | lanthrax | woot fixed my "hda: lost interrupt" problems, weird I just unplugged my usb headphones and printer and away it went |
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| 04:17.52 | Lectus | Hello! Is it possible to run a netinst using the debian kde CD? If yes, what boot command should I use? |
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| 04:21.07 | zu22 | yo |
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| 04:21.35 | inFw | thanks for the help. |
| 04:23.36 | zu22 | can anyone see my words? |
| 04:24.10 | dclarke | I can |
| 04:24.51 | dclarke | but .. I am about to leave ... |
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| 04:25.01 | zu22 | k thx |
| 04:25.47 | zu22 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:26.49 | etch_lpt | well, it worked |
| 04:27.31 | etch_lpt | where is openssl typically located on a debian system? |
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| 04:35.28 | xxiao | etch_lpt: dpkg -S openssl | grep -v '/usr/shrae/doc' |
| 04:35.44 | xxiao | etch_lpt: dpkg -S openssl | grep -v '/usr/share/doc' |
| 04:35.44 | Rusty1 | etch_lpt: try; apt-file search openssl , not sure where it's sposed to be |
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| 04:39.36 | tomd123 | so ya, my sound works normally but when I play a flash video on youtube, there is no sound, the speaker on the flash applet is on and full what could the problem be |
| 04:41.41 | xxiao | tomd123: did you hear anything when running speaker-test? |
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| 04:42.50 | etch_lpt | alas, nevermind but thanks anyways |
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| 04:43.03 | etch_lpt | lot of good server config going on right here :-) nice lappy server |
| 04:43.37 | tomd123 | xxiao, in alsaconfig? |
| 04:43.59 | xxiao | yeah..that's what i used to make sure speaker at least is alive |
| 04:44.05 | tomd123 | xxiao: besides, my music works in rhythmbox |
| 04:44.41 | tomd123 | so i know speaker is alive |
| 04:44.43 | xxiao | you should be able to google it. i remember i had similar problems about one year ago, in both ubuntu and debian |
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| 04:46.10 | wd | where can i find this wallpaper? http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=15074152164608f0ffc09f3&p=screen |
| 04:46.35 | etch_lpt_ | yes! |
| 04:46.48 | etch_lpt_ | complete success in under an hour (last time it took HOURS!) |
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| 04:47.31 | Cyberman2 | COME HACK US! |
| 04:47.31 | Cyberman2 | paste bin this HACK OUR IRC |
| 04:47.31 | Cyberman2 | On EvilNet We Currently have 5 Servers. |
| 04:47.31 | Cyberman2 | irc-pie.ath.cx (Pie's Server) |
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| 04:55.06 | dclarke | hello |
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| 04:55.30 | dclarke | is it just me or is ubunto a total copy of #debian etch ? |
| 04:55.48 | xuser | its you |
| 04:55.56 | dclarke | I am in th process of installing ubuntu right after installing debian etch and the similarity thus far is staggering |
| 04:56.09 | dclarke | the installer is "identical" |
| 04:56.25 | dv_ | ahem |
| 04:56.35 | dv_ | I saw that gcc 4.3 is in testing |
| 04:56.46 | dv_ | but cpp-4.3{a} - what does {a} mean? |
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| 04:57.42 | RyanRyan52 | what is the kde postscript viewer? |
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| 05:00.48 | etch_lpt_ | s |
| 05:01.40 | RyanRyan52 | ohh...kghostview |
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| 05:25.00 | Nyle | xuser: text installer is d-i |
| 05:25.26 | Nyle | xuser: the live cd has a gui installer which is vastly diff from the debian gtk installer |
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| 05:42.57 | karllenz | hi im rather new to linux i ust installed a fresh copy of debian kde and i cant seem to get my wifi card to work |
| 05:44.35 | krinns | hi al |
| 05:44.46 | theatro | karllenz, do you think this is relevant? http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 05:44.49 | krinns | do i can define session timeout for ssh in debain |
| 05:45.00 | krinns | is it there by default |
| 05:45.47 | karllenz | ll see wat i can do using this doc thanx very much |
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| 05:46.37 | theatro | karllenz, no problem, come back telling us when a command doesnt work or if you get an error |
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| 05:48.02 | magyar | how can i make deb's out of raw source? |
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| 05:49.05 | etch_lpt | Yeah, I'm really liking this debian system |
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| 05:51.21 | Nyle | magyar: /msg dpkg package basics |
| 05:51.21 | Nyle | specifically new maintainer's guide |
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| 05:51.35 | Theodor | Hello. I'm trying to compile php from source, but I'm getting this error: configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation. What package should I install to solve it? |
| 05:51.36 | magyar | Nyle: thanks |
| 05:52.50 | darmi | :-X |
| 05:53.25 | Dewi | what's the normal way of mounting a CD-ROM disc? |
| 05:53.39 | Dewi | I know how to do it as root, but how does that 'media' stuff work? |
| 05:54.19 | Dezarez | Theodor Install libxml2-dev. |
| 05:54.43 | Theodor | Dezarez: I'm afraid I installed that, but it didn't solve it. I tried to install anything that has xml2 in the name ;p |
| 05:54.53 | Dezarez | lol |
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| 05:55.26 | Dezarez | what distro? |
| 05:55.31 | Theodor | Debian 4.0 |
| 05:55.58 | Theodor | I w0ve debian |
| 05:56.13 | Theodor | it's like "THE" distribution to use. |
| 05:56.15 | Dezarez | It's the way of the penguin, lol |
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| 05:56.37 | karllenz | im a bit lost it says run lsusb i do that and i find this "bus 005 Device 003: ID 050d: 705c Belkin Components" |
| 05:56.48 | karllenz | but i have no iea what to do next |
| 05:57.08 | Dezarez | Did you check compile options? |
| 05:57.44 | lindenle | How do i change which compiler is linked to gcc the debian way? |
| 05:57.57 | karllenz | idk what that even means compile options |
| 05:58.01 | Dezarez | karllenz check out /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 05:58.39 | Dezarez | karllenz I was talking to Theodor |
| 05:58.39 | karllenz | o |
| 05:58.39 | Dezarez | :P |
| 05:58.39 | karllenz | sry |
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| 05:58.59 | Dezarez | lol, np, I thought to correct it, then just thought I would explain if you asked. |
| 05:58.59 | riptide | how do I check which deb cd a package is on? |
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| 05:59.05 | Theodor | Dezarez: believe it or not. It solved itself!!! |
| 05:59.09 | Dezarez | Search the cd for the package file |
| 05:59.24 | Dezarez | Theodor .. lol.. I love/hate those ones. |
| 05:59.41 | Theodor | It's always a love"hate" relationship. |
| 05:59.47 | Dezarez | sigh... isn't it. |
| 06:00.03 | Rat409 | .ignore #debian joins,parts,quits |
| 06:00.06 | riptide | Dezarez, i havent downloaded the cd yet. i only have cd 1, i want to see which cd kernel-package and build-essential etc come on |
| 06:00.17 | Theodor | ummm, I installed mysql-server-5.0 via apt. Where do the header files go? |
| 06:00.32 | karllenz | what do i open the device file with a text editor |
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| 06:01.20 | Dezarez | riptide You only need CD one.. once you are installed, just change your /etc/apt/sources.list to comment out the CDROM sources. |
| 06:01.26 | lindenle | !alternatives |
| 06:01.27 | dpkg | i heard alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 06:01.48 | Dezarez | ** Make sure to setup an http mirror |
| 06:01.56 | Dezarez | It's along the installation though. |
| 06:02.34 | riptide | Dezarez, my only access to the net is wifi. i am downloading madwifi-source and madwifi-tools, but i will need kernel-package build-essential to run it |
| 06:03.57 | Dezarez | I would assume disk one, but you could check out http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 06:04.25 | riptide | much thanks |
| 06:04.50 | Rat409 | or maybe use a live-cd supporting your wifi to a chroot,install via apt-get |
| 06:05.06 | Dezarez | karllenz use the command "cat" to output the file.. use a ' > ' then a filename to save it to text |
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| 06:05.13 | Dezarez | karllenz though proc is all text |
| 06:05.37 | Dezarez | sorry... that is wrong... proc is all devices raw |
| 06:06.03 | Dezarez | you cant output a file content to /proc/something/sound and it will play on your speakers... doesn't sound good, but works. |
| 06:06.56 | karllenz | ok so i have the devices file open in a text file and it has a bunch of stuff writen i dont understand lol |
| 06:07.17 | etch_lpt | Theodor: you still having problems with php? |
| 06:07.19 | Dezarez | k, lemme find you a good tut |
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| 06:07.43 | Theodor | etch_lpt: I'm making it as we speak, thanks though. |
| 06:07.52 | etch_lpt | k |
| 06:07.55 | Theodor | I'm getting smart with this poop :> |
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| 06:08.31 | Theodor | is it fine to compile from source? |
| 06:08.47 | etch_lpt | I downloaded the latest libxml2 tarball and recompiled it, another solution that took me a couple hours to do was ldd-ing php5.so or wherever that thing was |
| 06:08.58 | Dezarez | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Flash-Memory-HOWTO/verifications.html#mounting |
| 06:09.16 | Dezarez | Theodor It's good practice. |
| 06:09.31 | etch_lpt | i finally got it working with all apt-get pkgs |
| 06:09.47 | Dezarez | Theodor Though I did it for a while in Slackware and FreeBSD, I fell in love with apt |
| 06:09.52 | Theodor | Dezarez: I was talking with a person a while back (was learning CentOS), he was saying that how bad compiling from source is when you're using a package driven distribution |
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| 06:10.50 | Dewi | what's the /media directory? |
| 06:11.01 | etch_lpt | compiling wine from src to get photoshop 7.0 working on deb again |
| 06:11.13 | etch_lpt | Dewi: storage media, etc |
| 06:11.15 | karllenz | k wifi manager says that its disabled |
| 06:11.20 | etch_lpt | etch_lpt: other partitions |
| 06:11.21 | Dewi | etch_lpt: how do I use it? |
| 06:11.44 | etch_lpt | Dewi: it's similar to /mnt in other distros of linux, use in conjunction with your /etc/fstab |
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| 06:11.48 | lindenle | Is gfortran 4.3 supposed to work with gcc 4.3? |
| 06:11.52 | Dezarez | I suppose, it may mess the management, but it checks dependencies.. not sure how it handles it though... been working on the server side more lately.. something I have to get to though. |
| 06:12.01 | Dewi | etch_lpt: isn't fstab for boot? |
| 06:12.13 | Dewi | etch_lpt: I want to insert a CD |
| 06:12.31 | etch_lpt | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660ro,users,nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0 |
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| 06:12.45 | Dewi | etch_lpt: yeah I have that too |
| 06:12.53 | Dewi | etch_lpt: but /media/cdrom is just a node |
| 06:12.58 | etch_lpt | so pop in the CD and mount /dev/hdc |
| 06:13.01 | Dezarez | man /etc/fstab |
| 06:13.46 | Dewi | etch_lpt: yeah... how? |
| 06:14.10 | etch_lpt | just type it on the console |
| 06:14.18 | etch_lpt | mount /dev/hdc |
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| 06:14.29 | etch_lpt | if it's already in your fstab, it'll mount it with the options specified in that file |
| 06:14.34 | Dewi | oh, mount with no target uses the fstab |
| 06:14.37 | Dewi | okay |
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| 06:16.14 | etch_lpt | what was the c compiler cannot create executables fix again? some pkg? |
| 06:16.22 | valdyn | !b-e |
| 06:16.22 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 06:17.03 | etch_lpt | thx |
| 06:17.23 | etch_lpt | nah, still the same thing |
| 06:17.35 | etch_lpt | dpkg: c compiler cannot create executables |
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| 06:18.07 | paul--- | i have an external ip bound to a tap device i was really really hoping that it would measure the traffic - but it doesnt seem like the traffic is being registered on the tap device by the external ip address works |
| 06:18.12 | paul--- | how can i solve this :/ |
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| 06:24.35 | etch_lpt | c compiler still broken |
| 06:24.42 | etch_lpt | err |
| 06:24.52 | etch_lpt | checking for C compiler default output file name... |
| 06:24.52 | etch_lpt | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 06:25.21 | Dewi | what are the 'vserver' kernel images? |
| 06:25.33 | Theodor | how do I copy a directory from a to b? |
| 06:25.38 | Theodor | cp is not working |
| 06:25.43 | etch_lpt | ? |
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| 06:25.52 | Rat409 | cp -r? |
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| 06:25.58 | etch_lpt | oh, lol |
| 06:26.03 | etch_lpt | I thought his cp was broken too |
| 06:26.07 | etch_lpt | cp -R |
| 06:26.15 | etch_lpt | cp -R src dst |
| 06:26.29 | Rat409 | recursive |
| 06:26.30 | diego | i did apt-get remove apache2 and also rm -rf /etc/apache2, how do i install apache2 with /etc/apache2 again? |
| 06:26.47 | diego | if i apt-get install apache2 i don't get a /etc/apache2 anymore |
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| 06:27.12 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 06:27.13 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 06:27.24 | \amethyst | either that or purge it first then reinstall |
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| 06:27.43 | Rat409 | diego: try apt-get remove --purge apache2 then reinstall purge removes configs |
| 06:27.45 | etch_lpt | diego: apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 06:27.57 | \amethyst | etch_lpt: that won't recreate the config files |
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| 06:28.15 | etch_lpt | diego: rm -rf /etc/apache2; apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 06:28.17 | etch_lpt | it did for me |
| 06:28.47 | etch_lpt | eh, course that would be the first time I installed it |
| 06:29.03 | etch_lpt | anyone have an idea on the c compiler issue |
| 06:29.08 | etch_lpt | I can't get wine to config |
| 06:29.26 | \amethyst | what are you trying to compile? |
| 06:29.36 | etch_lpt | wine |
| 06:29.39 | \amethyst | etch_lpt: try apt-get build-dep wine |
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| 06:30.08 | etch_lpt | doh, sources.list |
| 06:30.19 | etch_lpt | that's how i did it last time i think |
| 06:30.23 | \amethyst | etch_lpt: that will install all the development libraries that the Debian wine package requires---that ought to be enough to configure it from source |
| 06:30.48 | diego | Rat409: apache2: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory |
| 06:30.53 | diego | Rat409: tried that, no luck |
| 06:31.05 | \amethyst | diego: did you use --purge ? |
| 06:31.08 | diego | yes |
| 06:31.38 | \amethyst | diego: aha, it's apache2.2-common |
| 06:31.41 | etch_lpt | nah |
| 06:31.44 | etch_lpt | I found it |
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| 06:32.01 | etch_lpt | wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -; sudo wget http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/etch.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list |
| 06:32.05 | \amethyst | diego: that's the package you need to either reinstall with confmiss, or purge and reinstall |
| 06:32.06 | etch_lpt | then apt-get install |
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| 06:32.34 | \amethyst | etch_lpt: you'd need to at least apt-get update in there too |
| 06:32.44 | krinns | helo |
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| 06:33.58 | krinns | gust i want to enable session time out for ssh conections |
| 06:34.13 | jim | so I installed the package alsa-firmware-loaders, but now I'm looking to find out if alsa-firmware is packaged as well |
| 06:35.02 | etch_lpt | sweet, here comes Adobe Photoshop 7.0! |
| 06:35.10 | etch_lpt | I seriously cannot believe it even works with wine |
| 06:35.16 | jim | here where? |
| 06:35.17 | etch_lpt | that's just the coolest thing in the world |
| 06:35.31 | krinns | any idea |
| 06:36.31 | etch_lpt | krinns: try using the IdleTimeout directive in your sshd config |
| 06:36.34 | diego | i tried to: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 |
| 06:36.37 | jim | I think the fact they made an image program similar to photoshop in some ways, and put it under open source license is cooler than that |
| 06:36.41 | diego | but i still don't see the config dir/file |
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| 06:37.18 | jim | diego: all the configs are missing? |
| 06:37.27 | etch_lpt | krinns: IdleTimeout 30m |
| 06:37.38 | diego | jim: the entire /etc/apache2 dir |
| 06:37.43 | etch_lpt | krinns: man 8 sshd |
| 06:37.46 | krinns | 30m is 30 minutes |
| 06:37.51 | etch_lpt | mhmm |
| 06:37.52 | krinns | i did IdleTimeout 30 |
| 06:37.55 | jim | just purge apache2 and reinstall |
| 06:38.02 | diego | jim: i already did that |
| 06:38.04 | \amethyst | diego: do that with apache2.2-common as well |
| 06:38.12 | \amethyst | diego: the confmiss thing |
| 06:38.14 | diego | \amethyst: ok |
| 06:38.21 | krinns | etch_lpt its in seconds right |
| 06:38.22 | \amethyst | diego: the config files are from apache2.2-common, not apache2 |
| 06:38.23 | etch_lpt | just give us all root access to ur box and we'll take care of everything for u |
| 06:38.31 | jim | oh, is that where the configs are? |
| 06:38.42 | diego | \amethyst: oh, i see |
| 06:38.43 | diego | my bad |
| 06:39.02 | jim | Hey etch_lpt... my root password is foaD |
| 06:39.08 | krinns | i read manual pages it says SetupTimeOut and ServerAliveInterval for this |
| 06:39.30 | etch_lpt | might be |
| 06:39.31 | diego | yay, that worked |
| 06:39.32 | diego | thanks guys |
| 06:39.34 | krinns | etch_lpt 30m is 30 minustes what abt for seconds |
| 06:39.39 | etch_lpt | ahhhhh, brain is leaking |
| 06:39.47 | etch_lpt | must sleep, 20 'til midnite |
| 06:39.50 | etch_lpt | commander |
| 06:40.02 | jim | diego: if you want to play in a completely different sandbox... give aolserver a try |
| 06:40.29 | etch_lpt | exit |
| 06:40.31 | etch_lpt | quit |
| 06:40.33 | etch_lpt | close |
| 06:40.40 | etch_lpt | disconnect |
| 06:40.49 | Rat409 | foreslash? |
| 06:40.55 | etch_lpt | disconnect with password 2j39ra0e9gja0er9bg |
| 06:41.00 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.06 | etch_lpt | \aybabtu |
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| 06:42.22 | etch_lpt | oh last thing before i go |
| 06:42.39 | jim | famous last words |
| 06:42.51 | etch_lpt | is there anything else better than this weird default font set that I could look at in KDE rather than...this weird default font set |
| 06:43.41 | jim | well I don't know at all what you find weird... so you'll have to come up with your own answers there |
| 06:44.11 | Rat409 | for xterms,i prefer Terminus font |
| 06:44.16 | etch_lpt | sometimes they're really tiny in the browser, and others really big in apps |
| 06:44.19 | etch_lpt | like openoffice |
| 06:44.35 | jim | I kinda like the IllBeBach font |
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| 06:45.11 | Rat409 | oh kcontrol then i guess or config apps separately,i don't use kde tho |
| 06:46.11 | jim | how do you figure alsa device numbers? |
| 06:46.55 | etch_lpt | count from 1 to 100 |
| 06:47.41 | Rat409 | jim: i'd look here http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 06:48.15 | jim | I'm looking at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/AlsaStackAKB |
| 06:48.18 | jim | right now |
| 06:48.31 | Rat409 | ok |
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| 06:52.03 | jim | the main thing I want to do now, is (1) have alsa, thru its driver, give me a list of all available devices... then either read off or put together a designator (like hw:0) to refer to one of those devices |
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| 06:55.08 | etch_lpt | hahaha, I just installed all these fonts and now Photoshop 7.0 can read them all |
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| 06:56.50 | etch_lpt | looks so much better now |
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| 07:44.41 | krinns | etch_pl |
| 07:44.44 | krinns | etch_lpt |
| 07:44.46 | krinns | u there |
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| 07:45.27 | krinns | i just add IdleTimeout 30m |
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| 07:58.25 | Kda | hi guys! |
| 07:58.43 | Kda | I was told there to use kmuto for raid in ich9 |
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| 07:59.05 | Kda | But on the page of kmuto the only highest ich is ich7 |
| 07:59.13 | vanksi | is there a tool for perl, for selecting what 'modules' to install and such? |
| 07:59.36 | Kda | please, say, does it really support ich9? |
| 07:59.44 | vanksi | or is 'apt-get install perl-*' the only solution |
| 08:00.24 | wols | dh-make-perl |
| 08:00.36 | wols | Kda: for intel fakeraid you want to use linux software raid instead |
| 08:01.09 | Kda | i'd like to install debian on raid |
| 08:01.29 | Kda | because it's a important server |
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| 08:03.06 | msshams | hi, i try to get a file from vp.video.google.com with wget command. but it can't download and say 403 forbidden, but when i try get that file form browser it download without any problem. how can i solve this prb? |
| 08:03.13 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 08:03.13 | dpkg | hmm... initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 08:03.28 | jetscreamer | msshams: use the cookies |
| 08:03.45 | msshams | in wget? |
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| 08:04.25 | jetscreamer | yeah, there's a way.. i don't know exactly how or what cookie you would use. i know the problem you are describing though. |
| 08:05.28 | msshams | wget --no-cookies vp.google... ? |
| 08:05.42 | jetscreamer | --load-cookies file |
| 08:06.22 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 08:06.33 | jetscreamer | might be either one, not sure |
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| 08:07.57 | msshams | i get that error again |
| 08:08.26 | nepbabu | msshams, get the value of the cookie first and then do --no-cookies --header "Cookie: <name>=<value" to disregard the value |
| 08:08.45 | nepbabu | msshams, that's what the wget(1) says. please read the manpage. |
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| 08:12.42 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:20.24 | msshams | nepbabu: my url, has a parameter named "secureurl" that contain many characters. i think this cause that wget can't get that. |
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| 08:24.01 | n0mad | hmn why always as i run nvidia-settings it resets some color balancing |
| 08:24.20 | n0mad | ? |
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| 08:38.41 | defunk | hey all, i can't seem 2 log on into my Etch :( |
| 08:39.04 | defunk | i get a "your session only lasted less than 10 seconds." error |
| 08:39.30 | defunk | with "EOF in dbus-launch reading address from bus daemon" |
| 08:39.37 | wols | how are you trying to log in? |
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| 08:39.58 | defunk | hey wols , normal log in screen? |
| 08:40.08 | wols | there is no normal log in screen |
| 08:40.12 | defunk | lol |
| 08:40.21 | defunk | the one that came by default with my etch net install cd |
| 08:40.23 | wols | well there is but it doesn't run or needs dbus then |
| 08:40.40 | wols | there is no real default |
| 08:40.45 | defunk | i'll copy here the entire error log: |
| 08:40.48 | jelly-home | defunk: can you login via console? |
| 08:40.52 | wols | no you don't |
| 08:41.03 | defunk | i know, use paste etc |
| 08:41.10 | defunk | i can log into failsafe terminal |
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| 08:41.18 | wols | defunk: answer jelly-home |
| 08:41.26 | defunk | i did |
| 08:41.30 | wols | no you didn't |
| 08:41.39 | wols | press ctr+alt+f2 |
| 08:41.41 | defunk | jelly-home: i can log into failsafe terminal, isn't that what he asked? |
| 08:41.44 | jelly-home | defunk: "failsafe terminal" is X, not console |
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| 08:41.55 | defunk | jelly-home, recovery mode then? |
| 08:41.59 | jelly-home | nope |
| 08:42.00 | defunk | (in grub) |
| 08:42.03 | wols | defunk: do what I said |
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| 08:42.18 | defunk | wols: done |
| 08:42.27 | wols | so you have a text mode login now? |
| 08:42.33 | defunk | yup |
| 08:42.38 | wols | good |
| 08:42.39 | defunk | and i'm able 2 log in |
| 08:42.49 | jelly-home | just press ctrl-alt-f1 or -f2, try to log in there ... though, what I wanted to find out is already answered by being able to log in with the "failsafe" X session |
| 08:42.53 | wols | to be expected. stop your dm and run startx |
| 08:43.04 | jelly-home | so, it's just Gnome that you cannot log in to |
| 08:43.13 | defunk | wols, what's a 'dm'? |
| 08:43.17 | wols | !dm |
| 08:43.17 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. |
| 08:43.33 | defunk | !nodm |
| 08:43.33 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 08:43.42 | wols | !tell defunk aout selftell |
| 08:43.57 | defunk | !tell defunk about selftell |
| 08:43.58 | wols | !tell defunk about selftell |
| 08:43.59 | defunk | :) |
| 08:44.29 | wols | no laughing matter |
| 08:44.57 | jelly-home | the typo is! |
| 08:44.58 | defunk | wols: what do u mean by 'stop'? remove? |
| 08:45.10 | jelly-home | defunk: as root, "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" |
| 08:45.43 | defunk | ok it kinda logged me out (i ran it as sudo) |
| 08:46.05 | jelly-home | right... er, sudo? Which release of Debian are you using? |
| 08:46.13 | defunk | Etch |
| 08:46.16 | tralala | 7.10 |
| 08:46.48 | defunk | anyway, i logged in as root and stopped it now jelly-home |
| 08:47.16 | defunk | now what? |
| 08:47.40 | jelly-home | defunk: now try what wols asked you to, run startx manually |
| 08:48.24 | defunk | done, i get a bunch-load of (**) msgs regarding my radeon card |
| 08:48.35 | defunk | and still inside the console logged in as root |
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| 08:49.45 | jelly-home | um, don't run it as root. Run it as normal user |
| 08:50.18 | defunk | but as normal user i can't stop gdm (or can i? it logs me out if i use sudo) |
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| 08:51.25 | defunk | jelly-home: as normal user 'startx' yields the same result but this time with: 'xauth: error in locking authority file /home/defunk/.Xautority |
| 08:51.43 | defunk | .Xauthority* |
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| 08:52.54 | jelly-home | defunk: if that file is owned by root, remove it |
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| 08:53.39 | defunk | removed it, still getting the same result from startx |
| 08:54.23 | defunk | jelly-home: nvm that. |
| 08:54.23 | jelly-home | defunk: got any other .Xauthority* files? Remove them as well |
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| 08:54.29 | defunk | exactly |
| 08:54.39 | defunk | now i get the same thing i got as root |
| 08:54.56 | defunk | the (**) RADEON(0) msgs |
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| 08:56.13 | jelly-home | defunk: that's a separate issue. Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 08:56.49 | tengulre | how to remove gnome package? |
| 08:57.03 | jelly-home | defunk: while you're at it, pastebin the output of "dpkg -l xorg xserver-xorg libc6|tail -3" too |
| 08:57.05 | tengulre | I want uninstall all X11 package and gnome packages. |
| 08:57.08 | defunk | jelly-home how can i do that from my debian machine? |
| 08:57.16 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 08:57.16 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
| 08:57.22 | tengulre | I only want using console! |
| 08:57.49 | jelly-home | tengulre: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 08:57.50 | Asmooh | blup.. *gaaaaap* |
| 08:57.58 | basanta | does any one know of advfs? |
| 08:57.58 | defunk | download with 'wget http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl' ? |
| 08:58.02 | tengulre | ? |
| 08:58.11 | jelly-home | ! |
| 08:58.27 | jelly-home | tengulre: the bot will tell you what to do |
| 08:58.43 | tengulre | jelly-home: OK! tks ,I got it! |
| 08:59.10 | jelly-home | defunk: yes |
| 09:01.08 | defunk | jelly-home: how can i easily tunnel /var/log/Xorg.0.log into pastebin? |
| 09:01.23 | defunk | and the other cmd as well |
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| 09:02.05 | jelly-home | defunk: perl paste2pastebin.pl < file, or command | perl paste2pastebin.pl |
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| 09:02.11 | enouf | defunk: perl paste2pastebin.pl < <(cat /var/log.Xorg.0.log) shoudl do it |
| 09:02.26 | jelly-home | !uuoc enouf |
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| 09:02.52 | enouf | hrm ..ok |
| 09:03.06 | enouf | i have my own custom paster anyway ;-) |
| 09:03.16 | enouf | (well, it's that one, just modified) |
| 09:03.31 | jelly-home | wtf, cating a file to stdout, and then converting back into a file name with <() ? |
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| 09:03.40 | defunk | jelly-home, pastebin.ca/931617 |
| 09:04.21 | enouf | jelly-home: yeah, you're right .. my bad |
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| 09:05.00 | defunk | and pastebin.ca/931624 |
| 09:05.01 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.12 | enouf | ml is an alias, for modprobe -l |
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| 09:05.49 | jelly-home | defunk: eh, it all looks good :-| |
| 09:06.59 | defunk | well jelly-home, yesterday it ran fine. did a clean shut down, booted it today and i can't log into it |
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| 09:08.00 | defunk | wols: any other ideas? |
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| 09:11.33 | defunk | jelly-home, still there? |
| 09:11.42 | jelly-home | defunk: yes, not for long |
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| 09:11.51 | rmrfchik | Hi. How to make apt-get to download Packages.gz file (Packages.bz2 is not found there) |
| 09:12.33 | jelly-home | defunk: I guess you could try moving away your .gconf directory (losing all the configuration for that user) and see if that helps |
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| 09:13.11 | defunk | how do i do that? |
| 09:13.14 | Jemt | rmrfchik: There is no such package |
| 09:13.31 | rmrfchik | Jemt: ? |
| 09:13.37 | jelly-home | defunk: eg. "mv .gconf .gconf.renamed" |
| 09:13.48 | Jemt | rmrfchik: De Debian repository does not contain a package like that |
| 09:13.53 | jelly-home | defunk: assuming you're in your home directory |
| 09:14.00 | rmrfchik | Jemt: this is side repository |
| 09:14.03 | Jemt | rmrfchik: Would be the same as asking APT to download and install "sdlfjksldjflsjdf" |
| 09:14.12 | Jemt | rmrfchik: side repository ? |
| 09:14.16 | jelly-home | defunk: confirm with ls -d .gconf* |
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| 09:14.29 | rmrfchik | Jemt: which contains no Packages.bz2 but Packages.gz |
| 09:14.32 | defunk | i got .gconfd |
| 09:14.37 | defunk | and the new renamed one |
| 09:14.43 | jelly-home | that's good |
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| 09:14.50 | jelly-home | now try startx |
| 09:14.58 | rmrfchik | Jemt: http://jonnylamb.com/debian |
| 09:14.58 | Jemt | rmrfchik: Have you added any special repositories ? (you would know if you did) |
| 09:15.09 | defunk | same thing jelly-home |
| 09:15.15 | defunk | as before |
| 09:15.22 | rmrfchik | Jemt: yes, I did. And I want to make apt-get to use Packages.gz in those site |
| 09:15.33 | Jemt | rmrfchik: Well, if it's there, APT-get should work. If it depends on another package which is not there, you will have to find it and install it manualle then |
| 09:15.45 | jelly-home | defunk: it was just a guess anyway... put your .gconf back |
| 09:15.50 | rmrfchik | Jemt: please, hear me... ;) |
| 09:15.51 | Jemt | rmrfchik: Remember to do 'apt-get update' after adding your source file |
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| 09:16.10 | defunk | jelly-home, ok done that |
| 09:16.10 | Jemt | rmrfchik: Ah, only download it ? |
| 09:16.16 | Jemt | rmrfchik: So it dosn't install it ? |
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| 09:16.23 | tralala | defunk, do you have anything like .xsession .Xsession .xinitrc? |
| 09:16.39 | rmrfchik | Jemt: "apt-get update" tries to download http://.../Packages.bz2 which is not available |
| 09:16.46 | jelly-home | defunk: no ideas, maybe someone else has a clue on what a Gnome session login does |
| 09:16.56 | defunk | i got .xsession-errors |
| 09:16.59 | Jemt | rmrfchik: Then the repository is broken |
| 09:17.01 | rmrfchik | and apt-get do not tries Packages.gz, so I don't see any packages |
| 09:17.07 | tralala | defunk, also paste your .xsession-errors |
| 09:17.26 | Jemt | rmrfchik: Just browse to the repository using your browser, download the file you want and install it using 'dpkg -i <package>' |
| 09:17.47 | defunk | http://pastebin.ca/931654 |
| 09:17.53 | rmrfchik | err.. I know it. I just want to use apt-get here.. ok, thank for help. |
| 09:18.03 | Jemt | rmrfchik: Welcome |
| 09:18.10 | HNT | Hello everybody, I'v read that with the kernel 2.6.22 and up, the raw1394 isn't compiled anymore. So dvgrab doesn't work (I'm using lenny), is there some solutions to get around it without compiling a specific kernel or using an older one ? |
| 09:18.33 | tralala | defunk, how's your diskspace? is /tmp full? |
| 09:18.57 | defunk | tralala, how do i check for it? |
| 09:19.07 | tralala | defunk, df -h - paste it all |
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| 09:19.44 | defunk | http://pastebin.ca/931659 |
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| 09:20.17 | defunk | i don't think anything is full :\ |
| 09:20.19 | tralala | not a space problem |
| 09:20.40 | defunk | it's quite a fresh install anyway.. |
| 09:20.59 | defunk | maybe it has 2 do with the error i'm getting at boot? i keep getting DMA timeout errors |
| 09:21.15 | defunk | but that didn't keep my pc from loading yesterday, or the day before that. |
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| 09:21.52 | tralala | defunk, what does apt-cache policy dbus say? |
| 09:22.23 | defunk | http://pastebin.ca/931662 |
| 09:22.27 | tralala | defunk, this is not a dma problem |
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| 09:22.56 | tralala | defunk, why do you have sid sources? |
| 09:23.04 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 09:23.11 | Ace2016 | any way i can backup my /boot partition? |
| 09:23.30 | defunk | can't remember when, but somewhere along the way i installed a software which required to do smth with aptitude |
| 09:23.33 | tralala | tar c /boot/ > /path/to/backup/boot.tar |
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| 09:23.46 | defunk | adding sid / sarge / etch resources to sources.list |
| 09:23.51 | Ace2016 | i have to send the laptop for hp repair so i plan to remove my /boot from the first hard disk, and restore vista's boot loader and take out the second hard disk that window is onn |
| 09:23.58 | defunk | and another file for choosing between them |
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| 09:24.05 | Ace2016 | tralala: and that will get everything? |
| 09:24.21 | defunk | tralala, can't remember what the process is called |
| 09:24.27 | tralala | Ace2016, yes |
| 09:24.46 | Ace2016 | Thanks |
| 09:25.01 | Ace2016 | anyone happen to have dealt with HP on a laptop repair before? |
| 09:25.06 | tralala | defunk, it's called pinning and since you have sid packages I assume this is how things broke |
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| 09:25.20 | defunk | tralala, yea that's the one :D |
| 09:25.34 | defunk | tralala, how so? and what should i do now? |
| 09:25.58 | defunk | (i remind u, it worked fine yesterday. the pinning was made a week or more ago) |
| 09:26.16 | tralala | I feel there must be a way to find out what packages you have from sid, but I don't know it. |
| 09:26.56 | defunk | maybe remove the pinning, update and re install the dbus package? |
| 09:27.13 | defunk | and that way it will reinstall it's etch dependencies as well? |
| 09:27.28 | stew | tralala: apt-show-versions? |
| 09:27.40 | tralala | defunk, no, don't remove the pinning. Also your dbus is from etch |
| 09:27.48 | defunk | oh ok |
| 09:28.09 | tralala | stew, excellent, thanks |
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| 09:28.25 | defunk | tralala, so now what do i do? :P |
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| 09:29.23 | tralala | defunk, paste the output of apt-show-versions |
| 09:29.38 | defunk | cmd not found |
| 09:29.48 | tralala | !installit |
| 09:29.48 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 09:31.18 | tralala | that's the purpose of picking such kind of factoids - to intimidate people |
| 09:31.36 | tralala | and to educate them as a side effect |
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| 09:31.52 | defunk | http://pastebin.ca/931677 |
| 09:32.09 | liable | !irritate tralala |
| 09:32.09 | dpkg | tralala: hi every1 who uses dvd lol |
| 09:33.20 | defunk | !irritate liable |
| 09:33.20 | dpkg | liable: hi every1 how can I make my lindows werkz lol |
| 09:34.22 | tralala | dpkg, bugger off - I don't! |
| 09:34.39 | tralala | heh |
| 09:35.18 | defunk | tralala, so how can i fix this issue? :) |
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| 09:36.07 | tralala | how do you think, could that cause X to stop working in etch? libx11-6/sid uptodate 2:1.0.3-7 |
| 09:37.08 | tralala | defunk, reinstall and don't mess around with sid anymore |
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| 09:37.20 | defunk | reinstall debian completely? :O |
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| 09:37.33 | wols | defunk: yes |
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| 09:37.38 | defunk | nein ;( |
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| 09:37.40 | defunk | :'( |
| 09:37.49 | wols | !bobbitt |
| 09:37.49 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 09:38.02 | tralala | defunk, you have a total of 71 sid packages, the chances are they broke your system |
| 09:38.43 | defunk | ok :( i'll need to back up some of my files then - luckily i have other partitions :P |
| 09:39.26 | tralala | defunk, did somebody here advise you to install things from sid? |
| 09:39.41 | defunk | not here |
| 09:39.51 | defunk | i think it was when i installed JDK |
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| 09:40.02 | defunk | so i could run eclipse |
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| 09:40.14 | defunk | some kind of official manual advised pinning |
| 09:40.22 | defunk | (as it didn't work otherwise) |
| 09:40.29 | tralala | defunk, the moral of the story: get debian support here, don't do things you don't understand without asking here first if it is a good idea. |
| 09:40.35 | stew | defunk: the problem is that one of your users can't login to x? |
| 09:41.01 | defunk | none of my users can stew |
| 09:41.07 | defunk | defunk / root |
| 09:41.23 | stew | defunk: have you tried any other besides those two? |
| 09:41.37 | defunk | nope |
| 09:41.41 | Jemt | I keep getting this error on a webpart: "System.MissingMethodException: Method not found: 'Company.GUI.TreeNode Company.GUI.Tree.getNodeById(System.String)'". Both Visual Studio and the .NET Reflector sees the method - it's there. I have simplified my source code - could someone take a look ? System.MissingMethodException: Method not found: 'Company.GUI.TreeNode Company.GUI.Tree.getNodeById(System.String)' |
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| 09:41.48 | defunk | nvr knew i can log with others |
| 09:41.49 | Jemt | http://pastebin.ca/931691 |
| 09:42.05 | stew | defunk: try adding a new user and seeing if that user can login |
| 09:42.22 | defunk | how do i do that stew? |
| 09:42.36 | stew | defunk: with adduser |
| 09:42.49 | defunk | thx 4 the help tralala anyway :P |
| 09:42.51 | jelly-home | Jemt: ... #debian? |
| 09:42.57 | Jemt | Gah, sorry |
| 09:42.59 | Jemt | Wrong chan |
| 09:43.00 | defunk | and for the good advice :) |
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| 09:45.01 | fantomas1 | Hi, I need help with OpenVPN, but #openvpn sleeps atm. May I ask my question here? |
| 09:45.14 | fantomas1 | or I'm better to wait on #openvpn |
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| 09:45.27 | SlayerXP | fantomas1: well, what do you think? |
| 09:45.46 | fantomas1 | SlayerXP: wait? :) |
| 09:46.12 | stew | fantomas1: if you are having trouble with openvpn on debian, feel free to ask here. if it is for some other os, then ask elsewhere |
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| 09:46.22 | nacer | hi |
| 09:46.30 | nacer | there is a admin of the debian.fr website ? |
| 09:46.34 | defunk | tralala, should i install yafc for cmdline ftp'ing in order to backup some of the files i need on a remote ftp server? |
| 09:46.35 | nacer | thereis some 404 |
| 09:47.01 | tralala | defunk, I like ncftp |
| 09:47.42 | tralala | nacer, isn't there a webmaster email on the site? |
| 09:47.55 | nacer | tralala, nop webmaster don´t exist |
| 09:48.15 | stew | nacer: ask #debian-www on irc.debian.org or lists.debian.org/debian-www |
| 09:48.19 | ApOgEE- | hmmm |
| 09:48.22 | tralala | I don't speak french, but I bet this talks about reporting site problems: Pour signaler un probleme sur le site web, envoyez un courriel en anglais a debian-www@lists.debian.org ou en francais a |
| 09:48.26 | ApOgEE- | hmmm |
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| 09:48.41 | nacer | ApEtc, tks /merci :) |
| 09:48.41 | fantomas1 | stew: the first question is not openvpn specific. I can't sniff a 'tun' intergace. Maybe if I could I will resolve openvpn problems myself |
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| 09:49.41 | stew | fantomas1: why can't you sniff a tun interface? |
| 09:50.03 | stew | defunk: why is your sources.list pointing to sid instead of etch? |
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| 09:50.44 | tralala | stew, he has installed sid packages to get eclipse to work |
| 09:50.54 | fantomas1 | stew: I issue 'tcpdump -n -v -i tun100' and then establish openvpn connection. It is established, I continue with pinging VPN server but 0 packets captured at all |
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| 09:51.03 | stew | defunk: what packages? |
| 09:51.25 | fantomas1 | stew: tun100 is my openvpn interface according to server.conf and ifconfig |
| 09:51.32 | tralala | stew, http://pastebin.ca/931677 |
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| 09:52.06 | tralala | fantomas1, first establish the connection, then try sniffing |
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| 09:52.21 | stew | tralala: yeah, i don't see many sid pacakges in that list, but it is hard to tell because his sources are pointing at sid |
| 09:52.43 | tralala | stew, 71 "sid uptodate" packages in the list |
| 09:53.05 | stew | tralala: of which, many of those are also uptodate in etch |
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| 09:53.39 | stew | tralala: for example, the first one in the list is esound-common/sid uptodate 0.2.36-3 |
| 09:53.43 | stew | !info esound-common etch |
| 09:53.46 | dpkg | esound-common: (Enlightened Sound Daemon - Common files), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.36-3 (etch), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 09:53.49 | tralala | stew, oh, I missed that. Anyway he doesn't know what's installed. |
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| 09:55.17 | stew | his problem probably lies somewhere in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 09:56.12 | defunk | stew, i would much apperciate it if u could help me solve it instead of a reinstall |
| 09:56.38 | stew | defunk: have you tried logging in as another user other? |
| 09:56.39 | tralala | defunk, remove the sid repos from your sources, apt-get update and run apt-show-versions again |
| 09:56.58 | defunk | ok sec first tralala then stew :P |
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| 09:57.17 | defunk | i guess remove sarge as well? |
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| 09:57.36 | defunk | tralala, do u remember what file it is i created in order to pin? (some default name) |
| 09:57.43 | tralala | stew, it could be, but one has to wonder how /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ would get messed up on etch |
| 09:57.59 | lastnode | i set my root paswsword in the keyring, so now root terminals open up auto. how can i disable this? |
| 09:58.10 | tralala | defunk, comment out everything but etch, don't touch the pinning. |
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| 09:59.03 | defunk | i might as well comment out the us ETCH one as well |
| 09:59.15 | tralala | it doesn't matter |
| 09:59.16 | defunk | stick to my fast israeli etch repo only |
| 09:59.49 | defunk | http://pastebin.ca/931734 |
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| 10:02.06 | tralala | defunk, while I'm digging this you might try testing X with a new user |
| 10:02.22 | defunk | yea |
| 10:02.25 | defunk | adduser right? |
| 10:02.47 | tralala | right |
| 10:03.49 | defunk | startx with the new user gets me the same result as before stew |
| 10:04.07 | defunk | (appears to be the same tbh) |
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| 10:04.36 | fantomas1 | tralala, stew: I was wrong, sniffing goes fine in some cases. Well, I'll try to describe my problem. When I don't use push "redirect-gateway" for a client it can PING (lets start for simple things) VPN server in new address space (I use 172.16.0.0/24). But when I change client config adding push "redirect-gateway" - everthing dies on client-side. I can't ping VPN server either using VPN address space 172.16.0.1 or physical 10.51.8.4 |
| 10:04.57 | pumpkin0 | i switch between 2 wlans (home and work). One is protected by WPA, one is not, different SSIDs... Can i make the card autoconnect at boot to the available wlan ? |
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| 10:05.29 | liable | pumpkin0: yes, see the wpa-supp docs (roaming section) |
| 10:05.31 | tralala | fantomas1, sounds like a client side routing problem |
| 10:06.11 | tralala | !info wpa-supp |
| 10:06.14 | fantomas1 | tralala: yes, but routing is setup by openvpn client which have no any specifal setup |
| 10:06.25 | fantomas1 | I mean |
| 10:06.26 | pumpkin0 | liable: thanks, reading now. |
| 10:06.47 | fantomas1 | client (person) should'n setup routing |
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| 10:07.37 | liable | gateway redirect doesnt work well on linux |
| 10:07.45 | tralala | fantomas1, the routing is set by openvpn client or server, but if it is misconfigured it won't work |
| 10:07.48 | liable | see the script supplied in the docs |
| 10:08.54 | liable | it will append your resolv.conf though, not rewrite it with the vpn gateway |
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| 10:09.24 | utrrrongeeb | Is there an easy way to install Etch on an old Pentium II with (practically) no internet and no (bootable) DVD reader? I have Debian DVDs and a USB DVD burner, but I doubt I'll get the BIOS to recognize it. |
| 10:09.59 | liable | i wrote a gorrible little script that works for me because i always use the same openvpn server with the same gateway |
| 10:10.03 | MoDaX | pumpkin0: or {gnome-kde}-network-manager |
| 10:10.06 | tralala | liable, how is resolv.conf related to the gateway? |
| 10:10.07 | defunk | tralala, see anything that's gone wrong over there? |
| 10:10.10 | tarzeau | utrrrongeeb: debian without internet sucks |
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| 10:10.25 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 10:10.25 | dpkg | debstats is probably managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 10:10.48 | tralala | tarzeau, didn't you mean !popcon ;) |
| 10:10.53 | liable | tralala: good question, my brain just made a mess in its pants |
| 10:11.01 | tarzeau | tralala: did you install it, btw? |
| 10:11.25 | tralala | tarzeau, no, because I object the advertising approach! |
| 10:11.43 | utrrrongeeb | tarzeau: I have internet here (when I boot to Debian), but it's dial-up and I'm impatient. The old computer has (I think) a Winmodem, even though it has a phone line. |
| 10:12.07 | pumpkin0 | MoDaX: xfce installed... |
| 10:12.09 | tralala | defunk, no, I don't |
| 10:12.30 | fantomas1 | I just want to let openvpn clients to have access to the internet |
| 10:13.04 | fantomas1 | if redirect-gateway is bad then how to setup default gateway for clients? |
| 10:13.20 | tralala | defunk, paste the output of "find /etc/X11/ -type f | xargs md5sum" to http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 10:13.46 | fantomas1 | Actually I believed its as easy as with pppd with replacedefaultgateway or similar |
| 10:14.04 | fantomas1 | route* |
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| 10:14.23 | utrrrongeeb | tarzeau (or anyone who'll listen): Is it possible to use a floppy or CD to boot from the DVD, or should I do something drastic like copying a Debian install down on a USB drive, burning Debian CDs, or even chopping the IDE DVD drive out of the USB external case and seeing if the BIOS can boot from it on IDE? |
| 10:14.41 | tralala | fantomas1, do clients use dhcp to obtain ips? |
| 10:14.44 | defunk | why not pastebin tralala ? |
| 10:14.51 | fantomas1 | tralala: yes. |
| 10:15.04 | tralala | defunk, anywhere is fine - this is just an alias I have to avoid typing |
| 10:15.05 | fantomas1 | tralala: not real dhcp |
| 10:15.14 | fantomas1 | tralala: I mean they got IPs using OpenVPN |
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| 10:15.26 | crumblenaut | is it possible to implement filesystem quotas using nss-mysql? |
| 10:15.44 | tralala | fantomas1, I mean the ips they get _before_ establishing the vpn connection |
| 10:15.59 | defunk | http://pastebin.ca/931748 tralala |
| 10:16.01 | lastnode | i set my root paswsword in the keyring, so now root terminals open up auto. how can i disable this? |
| 10:16.17 | fantomas1 | tralala: real IPs are permanent and fixed. From 10.0.0.0/8 net |
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| 10:17.04 | tralala | fantomas1, okay, show us the routing table of a client when the gateway replacement is enabled. |
| 10:18.42 | defunk | tralala, is there a way i can burn files to cd using the console? |
| 10:19.06 | petemc | mkiso |
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| 10:19.28 | tralala | defunk, wodim |
| 10:19.35 | defunk | k thx |
| 10:19.45 | fantomas1 | tralala: http://pastebin.ca/931752 (testing on windows client) |
| 10:20.00 | tralala | defunk, what do you get when you run "X" as root? |
| 10:20.10 | defunk | u mean startx? |
| 10:20.28 | utrrrongeeb | Could someone take a look at my question (up the page)? |
| 10:20.40 | fantomas1 | tralala: I use 'def1' thats why 128.0.0.0 and not 255.0.0.0 |
| 10:21.03 | fantomas1 | not 0.0.0.0 * |
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| 10:21.30 | defunk | tralala, u mean 'startx' as root? |
| 10:21.40 | tralala | defunk, no I mean X |
| 10:22.08 | tralala | fantomas1, can you ping the gateway now? |
| 10:22.14 | fantomas1 | tralala: with this setup I can't ping 172.16.0.1 and 172.16.1.2 |
| 10:22.18 | fantomas1 | tralala: no |
| 10:22.47 | defunk | tralala, i get a greyish black-white pixel all over the screen with the cursor as an 'X' sign |
| 10:23.13 | defunk | how do i get out of it? :( |
| 10:23.14 | fantomas1 | tralala: none of: 172.16.0.1, 172.16.1.2, 10.51.8.4 (the server) |
| 10:23.32 | defunk | tralala, ctrl alt f2 /f1 doesn't work |
| 10:23.38 | fantomas1 | tralala: firewall is set to all-access |
| 10:23.49 | fantomas1 | all-accept sorry |
| 10:24.19 | defunk | tralala, nvm ctrl alt f1 finally worked :P |
| 10:24.41 | tralala | fantomas1, I'm pretty sure that's a routing problem, but I can't get a grasp of the routing representation in windows. Can you test with a linux client? |
| 10:24.59 | fantomas1 | tralala: ok, need few minutes |
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| 10:26.00 | tralala | fantomas1, few minutes granted |
| 10:26.07 | fantomas1 | :P |
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| 10:31.31 | defunk | tralala, how do i use wodim to burn a folder? |
| 10:31.38 | defunk | i read the fucking manual |
| 10:31.43 | defunk | too many options :S |
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| 10:33.45 | tralala | defunk, there are examples in the manual |
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| 10:34.18 | utrrrongeeb | Can a boot floppy boot to a USB DVD drive containing a Debian DVD? If so, where do I get the floppy image? |
| 10:34.43 | defunk | how do i search thru it> |
| 10:34.51 | defunk | it's looong to scroll :P |
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| 10:34.53 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:37.56 | defunk | tralala, |
| 10:42.05 | tralala | defunk, man pager |
| 10:42.13 | fantomas1 | tralala: http://pastebin.ca/931779 |
| 10:42.25 | fantomas1 | same unable to ping problem with linux debian client |
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| 10:43.35 | fantomas1 | tralala: first, I don't understand where the rule: 10.51.8.4 via 10.51.0.1 dev eth1 comes from |
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| 10:43.54 | defunk | nvm copied it into a USB stick |
| 10:43.55 | fantomas1 | tralala: 14: |
| 10:44.09 | defunk | don't have time 4 this now... gotta work for a living :S |
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| 10:44.43 | utrrrongeeb | Where do I get CD-booting floppy images? |
| 10:44.52 | fantomas1 | tralala: and it is first rule pushed after openvpn handshake |
| 10:44.53 | fantomas1 | Fri Mar 7 13:38:07 2008 ifconfig tun0 172.16.1.2 pointopoint 172.16.1.5 mtu 1500 |
| 10:44.56 | fantomas1 | Fri Mar 7 13:38:07 2008 route add -net 10.51.8.4 netmask 255.255.255.255 gw 10.51.0.1 |
| 10:45.22 | neil|work | hmm im looking for some debian FAI help but i cant seem to find the appropriate channel. Anyone able to point me in the direction of help with fai custom kernels? |
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| 10:46.21 | tralala | neil|work, seen /msg dpkg fai?? |
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| 10:46.34 | tralala | fantomas1, I notice that the default gw hasn't changed |
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| 10:47.24 | fantomas1 | tralala: this is because of 'def1' option to 'redirect-gateway'. It forces to create 1.0.0.0 route instead of 0.0.0.0. From Howto. Not sure if this matters |
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| 10:47.39 | fantomas1 | tralala: they say this is for not overwriting default route ) |
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| 10:48.29 | Fuzzy_ | hi i'm trying to use dpkg to install the 32bit xen kernel onto my 64bit xen host so I can run 32 bit guests. When I try to do this using dpkg -i it throws a arch mismatch. What is the correct way to bypass this and install this kernel? |
| 10:48.37 | tralala | fantomas1, but your goal is to overwrite the default route, isn't it? |
| 10:49.00 | fantomas1 | tralala: well, ok. Didn't think about this. It was recommended :) |
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| 10:49.39 | tralala | fantomas1, so what does a traceroute show? |
| 10:50.19 | tralala | fantomas1, I suppose it is recommended in order to keep the old gateway when the vpn is disconnected |
| 10:50.34 | cemc | can i up a network interface automatically from /etc/network/interfaces, but assign no ip address to it ? |
| 10:50.57 | fantomas1 | tralala: I've removed the option, now it is rewrited http://pastebin.ca/931795 |
| 10:51.36 | tralala | cemc, what do the tests show? |
| 10:51.47 | jetscreamer | you can at least have it just the loopback |
| 10:51.50 | cemc | tralala: tests? |
| 10:52.02 | fantomas1 | tralala: traceroute shows nothing |
| 10:52.05 | fantomas1 | tralala: its empty |
| 10:52.48 | tralala | cemc, what happens when you try to create an interface without specifying an address? |
| 10:53.29 | cemc | if i put in static in the config file, it says that i need to specify some parameters (like ip and stuff) |
| 10:54.05 | jetscreamer | just put loopback? |
| 10:54.13 | jetscreamer | lo ? |
| 10:54.14 | cemc | if i put manual, it doesn't complain and the interface is created but not up'ed |
| 10:54.20 | fantomas1 | tralala: manually removing '10.51.8.4 via 10.51.0.1 dev eth1' route fixed everything, even getting internet |
| 10:54.28 | fantomas1 | the problem localized |
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| 10:56.05 | neil|work | the fai channel is apparently unavailable |
| 10:56.13 | tralala | fantomas1, don't use redirect-gateway, push the routes directly |
| 10:56.16 | fantomas1 | and this is in man, damn: (1) Create a static route for the --remote address which forwards to the pre-existing default gateway. This is done so that (3) will not create a routing loop. |
| 10:56.35 | neil|work | ah its on a different server :S |
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| 10:56.38 | jetscreamer | !which driver |
| 10:56.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
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| 10:57.28 | fantomas1 | tralala: I tried this before playing with redirect-gateway, but had no sccess |
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| 10:57.58 | JarJarBinks | I suspect that some of my packages are compiled with incompatible versions of gcc (many programs segfaults ... not all though). Is there a way to reinstall _all_ packages on the system |
| 10:58.05 | tralala | fantomas1, routing with openvpn is a messy business |
| 10:58.47 | tralala | JarJarBinks, aptitude reinstall ~i |
| 10:58.48 | fantomas1 | tralala: hehe, back to (1) - this is only valid if client and server are in different networks ) Mine are in the same ) |
| 10:59.02 | fantomas1 | tralala: true |
| 10:59.04 | Maulkin | JarJarBinks: I'd make sure your hardware isn't broken though |
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| 10:59.19 | JarJarBinks | ahh thanks guys |
| 10:59.35 | Keksz | hi there |
| 10:59.56 | Keksz | I have a question about "user restriction". |
| 11:00.19 | Keksz | My dude has a workplace, and he didn't get access to the internet. |
| 11:00.54 | Keksz | I have a debian box, and the ssh is on the 443 port. Now he is tunneling a port to browse on the internet through my box. |
| 11:01.06 | Keksz | How can I restrict the useraccount from him |
| 11:01.40 | Keksz | He need just to login to the box, but I don't want that he can do any "commands" or install anything. I hope you can understand my problem ;) |
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| 11:02.04 | JarJarBinks | Keksz: you could give him scponly shell |
| 11:02.12 | wols_ | Keksz: chroot |
| 11:03.10 | Keksz | JarJarBinks: scp only means he can use for example just winscp to reach the box. But we need the SSH/Tunnel option from PUTTY to get a SOCKS Proxy for the "browser" |
| 11:03.38 | Keksz | wols_: I will check the chroot option |
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| 11:05.18 | fantomas1 | YEAH! |
| 11:05.55 | fantomas1 | tralala: lol. first redirect-gateway option is "local" which means exactly this: having clients in same network |
| 11:06.06 | fantomas1 | works now |
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| 11:11.47 | tralala | fantomas1, great! |
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| 11:19.30 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 11:23.33 | ravila | could someone please tell my why 2.6.25rc4 gives me kernel-panic |
| 11:23.33 | ravila | ? |
| 11:23.49 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 11:23.56 | Ace2016 | how do i view my motherboard/bios info? |
| 11:23.58 | waspius | hello..how can i make an application work as a simple user and not only as root?i.e i installed digikam and i can only open my digital camera and view the photos if i run it as root |
| 11:23.58 | wols_ | cause it'S alpha/beta software AND not in debian? |
| 11:24.06 | wols_ | maybe you should ask a kernel channel instead? |
| 11:24.07 | ravila | in grub both have root=/dev/sda3 the new 2.6.25rc4 and my old 2.6.21 wich is working fine |
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| 11:24.23 | tarzeau | Ace2016: using dmidecode |
| 11:24.23 | wols_ | waspius: then check your permissions of the digicam device |
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| 11:24.33 | waspius | wols_: how? |
| 11:24.39 | Ace2016 | that was i |
| 11:24.41 | Ace2016 | that was it |
| 11:24.43 | wols_ | waspius: man ls |
| 11:25.01 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how to update the DMI? |
| 11:25.03 | Ace2016 | mine says: |
| 11:25.22 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.54 | wols_ | it would be a BIOPS update |
| 11:26.06 | Ace2016 | oh i did the bios update already |
| 11:26.20 | tarzeau | you can update bios using flashrom |
| 11:26.36 | Ace2016 | i already updated it with hp's utility |
| 11:26.56 | tarzeau | Ace2016: inside linux? |
| 11:27.08 | Ace2016 | no from within vista |
| 11:27.52 | wols_ | Ace2016: and you ask here WHY? |
| 11:28.31 | Ace2016 | its very quiet here and cleaver people are here |
| 11:28.48 | Ace2016 | wols_: how many channels are you in right not? |
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| 11:29.15 | tralala | sunday's early this week |
| 11:29.27 | Ace2016 | is it? why do you say that? |
| 11:29.54 | tralala | Ace2016, because of you |
| 11:30.06 | Ace2016 | oh, so i usually come here on sundays? |
| 11:30.34 | Ace2016 | isn't that nice, i've extended your weekend |
| 11:30.49 | wols_ | no. on sunday the morons and trolls come |
| 11:30.52 | tralala | Ace2016, usually on sundays it's full of people in here with inclination of asking offtopic (read vista) questions |
| 11:30.54 | wols_ | !tell Ace2016 about permasunday |
| 11:31.18 | Ace2016 | ok ok |
| 11:32.14 | waspius | wols_: i am sorry still dont understand what to do about the permission |
| 11:32.49 | wols_ | waspius: what devices does your camera want to use? |
| 11:32.58 | waspius | wols_: usb |
| 11:33.06 | wols_ | that is no linux device |
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| 11:33.31 | Ace2016 | Do you know what Invalid entry length (0) DMI table is broken! Stop means in dmidecode? |
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| 11:33.40 | waspius | wols_: :S what do you mean?i connect my camera through usb |
| 11:33.41 | Ace2016 | i googled but there is 1, just 1 other? |
| 11:33.50 | Ace2016 | what are the chances of that happening? |
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| 11:34.04 | wols_ | waspius: "usb" is no linux devidce. your entries in /dev are devices |
| 11:34.19 | wols_ | Ace2016: that HP are morons |
| 11:34.30 | Ace2016 | so? |
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| 11:38.45 | waspius | wols_: ah..ok...how do i check? |
| 11:38.55 | wols_ | man ls |
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| 11:41.34 | Ace2016 | damn this i upgraded the bios and it said it was perfectly fine, and the DMI table is broken |
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| 11:50.58 | waspius | wols_: well this is where it is Bus 002 Device 004 |
| 11:51.41 | amphi | waspius: gthumb might deal with it |
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| 11:52.13 | waspius | amphi: what is that? |
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| 11:52.32 | waspius | amphi: i just want to change permissions on the device |
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| 11:52.47 | waspius | is this what i need to do?chmod 660 /proc/bus/usb/002/004 |
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| 11:53.51 | jetscreamer | edit the udev rule probably |
| 11:53.53 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 11:54.02 | amphi | waspius: normally, I believe you chgroup the file, and make yourself a member of that group, and make it grup rw |
| 11:56.02 | wols_ | waspius: still no device |
| 11:56.15 | wols_ | amphi: that won't work |
| 11:56.27 | jetscreamer | there is a group to be in though |
| 11:56.29 | waspius | wols_: sorry but still dont understand how to find it |
| 11:56.48 | wols_ | jetscreamer: exactly. but until waspius FINALLY answers my question we won't know which |
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| 11:57.10 | wols_ | waspius: it'S an entry in /dev |
| 11:57.23 | wols_ | either oyur kernel log tells you or the app you use to retrive the pics |
| 11:57.27 | waspius | wols_: i dont know what to do to find out which device it is..i have looked at man ls how many times |
| 11:58.36 | waspius | wols_: the path my app gives is / |
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| 11:58.51 | wols_ | waspius: BS |
| 11:59.01 | jetscreamer | so is digikam mounting as usbfs? |
| 11:59.10 | jetscreamer | err |
| 11:59.16 | wols_ | mass storage you mean |
| 11:59.41 | waspius | well i still dont understand |
| 11:59.44 | wols_ | waspius: but IF your program wants to save on / it's understandable why it gets permission denied as user |
| 11:59.48 | jetscreamer | so it's probably vfat and he can't see it because by default only root |
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| 12:00.35 | wols_ | waspius: you don't give us enough info to diagnose your problem and you are not providing more info even after asked. do you think we are the gypsy at the fair? |
| 12:00.38 | jetscreamer | but that's not taking into account that automount crap i know nothing about |
| 12:01.06 | waspius | wols_: NO!!i am trying to understand what is going on |
| 12:01.07 | jetscreamer | no the psychic on the roadside |
| 12:01.42 | jetscreamer | waspius: what does this 'digikam' do, let you move pictures from the camera and/or view them? |
| 12:02.06 | waspius | jetscreamer: view..sellect and save |
| 12:02.07 | jetscreamer | just mount the damn thing and do it yourself |
| 12:02.23 | jetscreamer | use konqueror |
| 12:02.38 | waspius | yeah if i knew how |
| 12:02.53 | wols_ | what does dmesg say when you connect it? |
| 12:03.21 | jetscreamer | you should just be able to right click it on the desktop and hit mount |
| 12:03.24 | waspius | chmod 660 /proc/bus/usb/002/004 |
| 12:03.29 | jetscreamer | if kde is set up in the usual fashion |
| 12:03.51 | waspius | jetscreamer: i use gnome |
| 12:03.56 | jetscreamer | or gnome |
| 12:04.03 | jetscreamer | use nautilus though |
| 12:04.07 | waspius | jetscreamer: i dont have the option |
| 12:04.13 | waspius | for mount as simple as thart |
| 12:04.21 | jetscreamer | create one in fstab |
| 12:04.31 | jetscreamer | !rwvfat |
| 12:04.31 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 12:04.55 | jetscreamer | ooo just in time |
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| 12:05.03 | jetscreamer | or i broke the bot :/ |
| 12:05.11 | efaistos | does anyone know what options are to do the same as apt-cache show but with rpm ? |
| 12:05.25 | jetscreamer | man rpm |
| 12:05.32 | efaistos | not installed |
| 12:05.35 | jetscreamer | use apt-get for rpm |
| 12:05.46 | efaistos | and no network on that box |
| 12:06.06 | efaistos | jetscreamer: is that yum ? |
| 12:06.18 | jetscreamer | no, apt-get for rpm |
| 12:06.26 | jetscreamer | or apt for rpm |
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| 12:06.32 | jetscreamer | but no net on that box |
| 12:06.48 | jetscreamer | ask in #centos or #fedora maybe |
| 12:07.12 | jetscreamer | use the rpmforge search function |
| 12:07.15 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 12:16.54 | amphi | wols_: it does work, for testing; obviously, you want to automate it |
| 12:17.19 | wols_ | amphi: what does work? |
| 12:17.53 | amphi | wols_: apropos chgrouping /proc/bus/usb/blah etc above |
| 12:18.21 | wols_ | amphi: it's so evil and braindead, I won't comment |
| 12:18.32 | amphi | *shrug* |
| 12:19.23 | wols_ | what jetscreamer said along with mounting via uuid/label is the right thing if the digicam uses mass storage |
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| 12:21.15 | amphi | wols_: sure - I understood it was not one that manifested as a usb mass storage device; obviously, if you can mount it, mount it |
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| 12:21.54 | wols_ | amphi: even if not: you check what the device uses for perms and hope it has a group you can add yourself to |
| 12:22.06 | wols_ | if not you have to start editing udev rules |
| 12:22.18 | wols_ | I jsut doN#tg et what editing proc entries help |
| 12:23.32 | jetscreamer | do most cameras have an option to show up as a mass storage device or as a camera? mine does, all i know. |
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| 12:24.03 | liable | some dont act as mass storage devices. they suck |
| 12:24.05 | petemc | not all |
| 12:24.08 | wols_ | depends. the newer and the lesst "brand name" the are the higher the chance basically |
| 12:24.15 | petemc | they often work with gphoto2 tho |
| 12:24.20 | liable | yup |
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| 12:29.12 | tralala | there's a gphoto fuse fs that reduces the suckage somewhat |
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| 12:31.24 | amphi | wols_: just for testing |
| 12:31.36 | tarzeau | tralala: which one? |
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| 12:43.23 | dpkg | qotd127 is probably < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
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| 12:43.46 | liable | gold |
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| 12:45.51 | tralala | tarzeau, canon ixus |
| 12:46.01 | tarzeau | tralala: i got also that one, v3? |
| 12:46.43 | tarzeau | i'm using camera.app to get the pictures, happy with it: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/ |
| 12:48.45 | tralala | tarzeau, ixus 70 I think. The camera is good, the pc interface is sucky. I like usb storage better. |
| 12:48.57 | tarzeau | i see |
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| 12:50.39 | tralala | tarzeau, I can see that you're enthusiastic about making pictures |
| 12:51.08 | tarzeau | tralala: found the panoramas yet? |
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| 12:51.59 | tralala | tarzeau, I'm checking the .bg gallery now. What did you do there? Tourism? |
| 12:52.19 | tarzeau | tralala: if you read the bottom of the main page you see that these are the only ones not done by me |
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| 12:55.06 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:55.37 | tralala | tarzeau, heh :) |
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| 12:57.31 | tralala | tarzeau, woow, the panoramas are cool! Which software do you use for them? |
| 12:57.49 | tarzeau | tralala: autopano-swift, hugin, enblend |
| 12:57.59 | tarzeau | and the gimp to cut them |
| 12:58.09 | tarzeau | and jhead to transfer the exif headers |
| 12:58.51 | romano2k | hi everyone! just mis-deleted a file with "rm", can i get it back? |
| 12:59.09 | DexterF | following setup: win xp / debian dual boot box, GRUB. I need another grub entry that just boots into non-X mode, executes a script and then shuts down. I guess I can put the scipt in /etc/passwd instead of /bin/bash and have that call "halt", but the one troubles me: I still need to log in for the script to execute, and it needs to be run as root. how would I do that? |
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| 12:59.23 | DexterF | romano2k: highly unlikely. file system? |
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| 12:59.32 | romano2k | DexterF: ext3 |
| 12:59.35 | tralala | tarzeau, sounds like a lot of work |
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| 12:59.41 | tarzeau | from the backup |
| 13:00.04 | tarzeau | tralala: not really, autopano finds points matching on different pictures, hugin stretches them right and enblend removes the rough edges |
| 13:00.22 | tarzeau | tralala: mostly all automatic, if you got a fast machine and lotsa memory, 5-15 minutes per pano |
| 13:00.24 | DexterF | romano2k: nope, you're screwed. if you know about the content you could grep that and see if it's somewhere, then dd out that part and see if you can manually restore tha data |
| 13:01.09 | romano2k | DexterF: i know about the content, how can i do what you're talking about? |
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| 13:01.22 | DexterF | romano2k: but if that drive is online and busy, say home partition the file is probably overwritten meanwhile |
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| 13:02.04 | romano2k | DexterF: i'm the only one using this server and there's not much applications running on it |
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| 13:02.28 | romano2k | i did nothing since i typed "sudo rm default" (it was my Apache2 config file) |
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| 13:03.21 | romano2k | DexterF: how can i grep on the "raw" harddrive? |
| 13:03.37 | wols_ | romano2k: /dev/hda is your hdd. grep on that |
| 13:03.43 | wols_ | or /dev/sda, etc |
| 13:04.03 | DexterF | romano2k: sudo, huh? :) |
| 13:04.17 | DexterF | peeps at #ubuntu were unuseful? ;) |
| 13:04.23 | romano2k | "cat /dev/hda | grep ..." ? |
| 13:04.34 | romano2k | DexterF: i'm using Debian, not Ubuntu |
| 13:05.00 | wols_ | DexterF: about your problem: earn about runlevesl and sysvinit. use any of the runlevels 3-5 for your problem maybe |
| 13:05.14 | romano2k | may i use sudo under debian or is it something exclusive to ubuntu users? :p |
| 13:05.17 | wols_ | !uuca romano2k |
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| 13:05.25 | wols_ | romano2k: you may |
| 13:05.27 | tarzeau | romano2k: yes, no |
| 13:05.32 | romano2k | hehe |
| 13:05.36 | wols_ | but you still did a very useless use of car example there |
| 13:05.45 | romano2k | just kidding |
| 13:05.48 | romano2k | i know :/ |
| 13:06.05 | romano2k | wols_: didn't received anything after you're "!uuca romano2k" |
| 13:06.18 | DexterF | romano2k: no. more like grep /dev/hda <data you know>. there's extra options to grep that will tell you at what position of the device the data was found. you need to grab that info, then use dd with seek and skip to extract the data. |
| 13:06.55 | DexterF | wols_: rl 2 isn't "multiuser without X" anymore? |
| 13:06.59 | wols_ | the factoid is named differently |
| 13:07.02 | romano2k | ahem, i think i'm going to rewrite the config file instead :D |
| 13:07.07 | wols_ | DexterF: no |
| 13:07.16 | romano2k | still, apache2 is running, may be there's a way to recover the file? |
| 13:07.20 | tralala | DexterF, it hasn't been for quite a while |
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| 13:07.28 | wols_ | DexterF: 2 is simply your normaö runlevel, always |
| 13:07.38 | DexterF | dang |
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| 13:11.29 | chun_ | hi all |
| 13:11.46 | romano2k | i deleted /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, apache2 is still running, is there a way to get it back? (like from apache2) |
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| 13:12.21 | chun | quick question, is there some trick to get rt2500 to work on lenny? |
| 13:12.53 | chun | i m-a build/install the driver, ifconfig ra0 up, iwconfig ra0 essid bla bla |
| 13:13.15 | chun | everything looked fine, but it can't seem to associate with any essid |
| 13:14.41 | chun | and when i tried installing rt2500, it says that it conflicts with rt2500-base |
| 13:14.56 | chun | i can't figure this one out..:/ |
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| 13:15.32 | DexterF | !runlevel |
| 13:15.32 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 13:15.55 | DexterF | jesus f. christ |
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| 13:16.31 | DexterF | doesn't LSB define this? |
| 13:17.13 | infernixx | does anyone know whether if it's possible to theme java applications? neither gtk themes nor kde themes seem to apply to java apps |
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| 13:22.31 | DexterF | infernixx: there's java/qt |
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| 13:23.09 | DexterF | i have a java app that looks like gtk and uses its themes and dialogues, too. tuxguitar. so gotta be possible. |
| 13:23.37 | DexterF | infernixx: but if the app is not written like that no go I guess |
| 13:23.48 | infernixx | yep |
| 13:24.03 | infernixx | too bad |
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| 13:37.06 | romano2k | i'm trying to rewrite my config file, when i try to start apache2 i get "could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80", a "fuser 80/tcp" returns nothing, what's wrong? |
| 13:38.08 | Roobarb | romano2k: I guess "netstat -plant | grep \:80" returns nothing too? |
| 13:38.31 | romano2k | Roobarb: true |
| 13:38.39 | Crissi | hello |
| 13:38.46 | vanksi | is it possible to make rsync restart the transfer if it goes -stalled-? |
| 13:38.49 | Crissi | maybe someone can help me.. i have an latex problem |
| 13:38.50 | Crissi | i have an itemize and an item inside, now the item text must be an verbatim part.. this seems not working |
| 13:39.04 | Crissi | how i can fix this? |
| 13:39.05 | vanksi | at the moment it just hangs |
| 13:39.06 | Roobarb | romano2k: I'd guess you have two "Listen" statements for the same Port |
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| 13:40.02 | Roobarb | vanksi: maybe use --timeout ? |
| 13:40.10 | simonrvn | sounds like it |
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| 13:41.00 | romano2k | Roobarb: http://pastebin.com/m3854226c |
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| 13:41.59 | Roobarb | romano2k: Debian uses ports.conf for Listen statements - are you sure you're not Including that as well ? |
| 13:42.21 | dirk__ | Can't log in anymore... installation problems or the disk is full. The latter is not the case I believe... errors: xsession-....: process 5736 Gtk warning: this proccesses currently running setuid or setgid |
| 13:42.36 | romano2k | Roobarb: bingo, commented the "Listen 80" line, it now works! :) |
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| 13:43.02 | dirk__ | with a reference to this site: http://gtk.org/setuid.html |
| 13:44.52 | azeem | dirk__: are you logging in as root? |
| 13:44.56 | DexterF | I heard lenny's gonna come with kde 4.1. isn't 4.1 only to be released in july? I mean, can we have debian style system stability with a new kde4 only released? |
| 13:45.11 | azeem | DexterF: *maybe* come with 4.1 |
| 13:45.27 | azeem | and KDE3 isn't going to be dropped |
| 13:46.11 | simonrvn | *ding* |
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| 13:46.25 | DexterF | good |
| 13:46.33 | simonrvn | they'll probably be co-installable again by that time |
| 13:46.56 | dirk__ | azeem, no but my root pw is the same as my user |
| 13:47.01 | simonrvn | (though it's looking it may not be, seeing from the current state) |
| 13:47.31 | wols_ | DexterF: you believe in debian hitting the dates of announced releases? wow you are brave (or naive) |
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| 13:47.51 | wols_ | simonrvn: current state of debian or of kde? |
| 13:47.58 | simonrvn | kde |
| 13:48.17 | azeem | dirk__: are you trying to run a Gnome session? |
| 13:48.40 | DexterF | wols_: last time was only +3 month iirc :) |
| 13:48.43 | Nyle | Good morning |
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| 13:48.45 | dirk__ | azeem, and I had problems with my user rights and runned: chmod -R 644 /home/user and chown -R user:user /home/ user.... yes a Gnome session |
| 13:48.59 | Nyle | Great day outside, nice, cool, not too much sun, breezy and shit |
| 13:49.02 | simonrvn | i think debian will come close to the release date. right on, i don't know, depends |
| 13:49.11 | Nyle | simonrvn: add a few months to it |
| 13:49.12 | azeem | dirk__: maybe try to move away your ~/.gnome2 temporarily |
| 13:49.18 | Nyle | simonrvn: you should know this by now ;) |
| 13:49.25 | Nyle | simonrvn: or at least expect it |
| 13:49.27 | azeem | dirk__: or create a temporary new user and see whether that one can login fine |
| 13:49.32 | Crissi | azeem: argh |
| 13:49.35 | simonrvn | Nyle: -3 here, and partly sunny, it'll snow like hell later though ;) |
| 13:49.53 | dirk__ | azeeem, how do I create a new user? adduser name user? |
| 13:50.01 | simonrvn | Nyle: that ^^^ is my hope |
| 13:50.02 | azeem | Crissi: ? |
| 13:50.02 | dirk__ | azeem |
| 13:50.03 | Nyle | man adduser |
| 13:50.07 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 13:50.12 | Nyle | read the page that men read |
| 13:50.13 | Nyle | I mean |
| 13:50.17 | Nyle | .. :) manual |
| 13:50.46 | Nyle | lame joke? |
| 13:50.59 | Nyle | I'm aware of that. simonrvn projected when though? late 08? |
| 13:51.05 | Nyle | simonrvn: think early 09 instead |
| 13:51.15 | Nyle | but there is still an entire year though |
| 13:51.29 | simonrvn | what's the rel date again? dec '08? |
| 13:51.40 | Nyle | projected around there ys |
| 13:51.57 | Nyle | I heard sec. half of 08, but that could be from 06-12/08 |
| 13:52.02 | Nyle | still 6 month window |
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| 13:52.19 | simonrvn | i'll check dda |
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| 13:52.48 | lrp | hello everyone !!! |
| 13:52.55 | Nyle | lrp: hi |
| 13:53.04 | Nyle | g'mornin |
| 13:53.33 | Nyle | amphi: ping |
| 13:53.42 | Crissi | kde 4.1 |
| 13:53.51 | amphi | Nyle: pon |
| 13:53.56 | Crissi | currently its unusable |
| 13:53.57 | Nyle | Crissi: not supported here as it is still in experiemtnal I believe |
| 13:54.08 | Nyle | amphi: your debian is 32 bit? |
| 13:54.08 | Crissi | btw: some latex gurus here? |
| 13:54.17 | amphi | Nyle: no |
| 13:54.23 | Nyle | hmm |
| 13:54.36 | Nyle | amphi: I thought maybe because I'm on amd64 it might have been fuckin gup |
| 13:54.51 | amphi | Nyle: amd64/intel here |
| 13:54.55 | Nyle | amphi: crdlb pretty much nailed it, it wasn't icons on desktop option that was fucking me up |
| 13:55.04 | Nyle | it was the show windows in desktop option |
| 13:55.07 | Supaplex | !tell Crissi -about ask |
| 13:55.08 | simonrvn | i only see 4.0.1 in experimental |
| 13:55.14 | amphi | Nyle: ah |
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| 13:55.27 | Nyle | though I was able to start it, I couldn't use it, in or outside of KDE |
| 13:55.33 | Nyle | it is extremely laggy |
| 13:55.41 | Nyle | amphi: whats your gfx driver? |
| 13:56.22 | amphi | intel |
| 13:56.25 | dirk__ | azeem, ok I can add a new user... |
| 13:56.31 | Nyle | amphi: lucky bastard |
| 13:56.38 | amphi | Nyle: lucky> |
| 13:56.38 | Nyle | amphi: I have no onboard :( |
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| 13:56.40 | amphi | ? |
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| 13:56.46 | Crissi | i have an itemize and an item inside, now the item text must be an verbatim part.. this seems not working |
| 13:56.52 | amphi | Nyle: ah; this is a laptop |
| 13:56.54 | Nyle | and intel doesn't make pci gfx afaik (maybe im wrong) |
| 13:56.56 | simonrvn | er, make that 4.0.2 |
| 13:57.03 | Nyle | amphi: oh, but still, intel just works |
| 13:57.05 | amphi | Nyle: not AFAIK |
| 13:57.07 | Nyle | amphi: fglrx/aiglx here |
| 13:57.18 | amphi | Nyle: *shudder* ;) |
| 13:57.20 | Nyle | you can immagine how pissed off this motherfucker makes me |
| 13:57.23 | Nyle | Gah! |
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| 13:57.45 | amphi | Nyle: you card isn't supported by the xorg ati or radeon_hd driver? |
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| 13:57.55 | Nyle | radeon_hd? |
| 13:58.05 | Nyle | I have never heard of that one |
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| 13:58.32 | Nyle | but no, it isn't. Only vesa or fglrx can work my card (x1900) |
| 13:58.45 | Nyle | !radeon hd |
| 13:58.49 | Nyle | eh |
| 13:58.52 | wols_ | Nyle: wrong |
| 13:58.59 | Crissi | Supaplex: where is the answer? |
| 13:59.04 | wols_ | not anymore. R5xx is supported now |
| 13:59.09 | Nyle | wols_: no shit |
| 13:59.12 | Nyle | when did this happen |
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| 13:59.29 | wols_ | about the time when amd released their specs, or rather some of it |
| 13:59.29 | Nyle | wols_: which driver supports it? ati? with 3d? |
| 13:59.36 | azeem | dirk__: does gnome work thenß |
| 13:59.37 | azeem | ? |
| 13:59.43 | Nyle | or radeon_hd? |
| 13:59.44 | wols_ | of course it'S sitll useless: no 3D specs and no R6xx specs IIRC |
| 13:59.57 | wols_ | Nyle: doubt it's in debian. vey much cvs |
| 13:59.57 | Nyle | wols_: well its not REALLY supported now is it |
| 13:59.58 | dirk__ | azeem, yes |
| 14:00.14 | wols_ | Nyle: just like nv supports nvidia chips... |
| 14:00.15 | dirk__ | azeem, for the new user it does |
| 14:00.22 | Nyle | it was able to do 2d before they released specs anyway |
| 14:00.33 | gynterk | in iptables do I have to specifi vlan2 or ethX.2 ? |
| 14:00.34 | Nyle | experimental avivo driver |
| 14:00.37 | gynterk | etch |
| 14:00.39 | Nyle | I wonder what happened with it |
| 14:01.37 | dirk__ | azeem, what should I do to make the default user work? |
| 14:03.01 | Nyle | !ping |
| 14:03.01 | dpkg | pong |
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| 14:03.26 | azeem | dirk__: put the full error on a pastebin |
| 14:03.27 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 14:03.28 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 14:04.11 | Nyle | paste.debian.net |
| 14:08.34 | DustyBin | ive noticed that 90% of the people in freenode channels work in I.T. |
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| 14:12.00 | Roobarb | DustyBin: thats mainly because freenode containst mostly I.T. related channels.... |
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| 14:13.00 | enouf | but only about 5% of them incorporate rhubarb into their daily diet |
| 14:13.09 | Nyle | faster pasting |
| 14:13.12 | subsume|work | My server kills my SSH sessions after a *really* short time (minutes) of inactivity. "Network error" putty tells me. Can someone please help? |
| 14:14.30 | simonrvn | sounds like you need keepalive turned on |
| 14:14.33 | Nyle | TCPKeepAlive yes |
| 14:14.43 | Nyle | try that in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:14.55 | Nyle | then /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 14:16.13 | subsume|work | Excellent. Lets see if that does it. |
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| 14:17.07 | zphinx | Is there a superadduser script in any debian repository? |
| 14:17.31 | simonrvn | a whowhat? |
| 14:17.34 | Nyle | lol |
| 14:17.38 | Nyle | super add user |
| 14:17.42 | Nyle | regular add user is lame |
| 14:17.49 | amphi | heh |
| 14:18.03 | Nyle | !wayttd zphinx |
| 14:18.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, zphinx? |
| 14:18.16 | zphinx | it's a script for quickly adding users based on querys :P |
| 14:18.25 | amphi | Nyle: BTW, AFAIK fglrx/aiglx is still bloody slow |
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| 14:18.29 | Nyle | which queries? who queries? |
| 14:18.36 | Nyle | amphi: ya think! |
| 14:18.37 | dirk__ | azeemazeem, can't copy the errors... Process 5736 GTK warning: this process is currently running setuid or setgid..... ... refusing to initiate GTK+, can't create dir /home/user/desktop etc. |
| 14:18.45 | simonrvn | you couldprobably use adduser's perl lib to do that |
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| 14:18.56 | amphi | Nyle: that's what I hear from the sufferers ;) |
| 14:19.01 | dirk__ | azeem... |
| 14:19.32 | donny_ | hi #debian, i want to install sqlite3 from source. i realize what i might break by doing so. how do i tell apt to remove libsqlite3-dev and libsqlite3-0 without marking the package as removed? |
| 14:19.36 | zphinx | ill take that as "theres no such script in any official debian repo" then |
| 14:19.41 | simonrvn | but no, there's no such script |
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| 14:19.54 | Nyle | no you can't |
| 14:19.55 | enveezee | I've got some damn xlsx documents I made in MS Office 2007 that came with this laptop but I guess I only had a trial, so now it won't let me edit them or save them as another format and OO.o won't seem to read em.. do I have any other options other than finding a working office 07 and converting them? |
| 14:19.58 | Roobarb | how do you list the contents of an installed package? |
| 14:20.00 | Nyle | I don't think so anyway |
| 14:20.08 | Nyle | enveezee: long time. howdy |
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| 14:20.28 | enveezee | yeah I'm in morgantown and don't have a linux box here atm.. so I don't get on IRC as much |
| 14:20.35 | enveezee | I hate using anything but irssi |
| 14:20.42 | Nyle | where is morgantown? |
| 14:20.58 | enveezee | West Virginia, home of WVU Mountaineers |
| 14:21.05 | Nyle | enveezee: buy c aheap 5$/mo shell from any of them hosting compaies |
| 14:21.11 | Nyle | ahh |
| 14:21.25 | enveezee | blah I'd just go get my box before I'd do that.. I don't know if I'm staying here or not |
| 14:21.33 | Nyle | so anyway did google not return anything |
| 14:21.42 | Nyle | enveezee: ask ##windows too maybe they know of a tool that can convert |
| 14:22.12 | enveezee | I'm thinking about moving into these new apartments http://theaugusta.com/augusta2 |
| 14:22.31 | enveezee | but I gotta find some regular income and a roommate first |
| 14:22.34 | simonrvn | isn't xlsx some weird proprietary xml-formatted xls crappage? |
| 14:22.44 | Nyle | it is |
| 14:22.46 | simonrvn | i bet their xml namespace is private too |
| 14:22.47 | enveezee | I'm just here fixing computers right now and I'm pretty much done |
| 14:22.50 | Nyle | it is |
| 14:23.00 | Nyle | enveezee: hm |
| 14:23.00 | simonrvn | stupid |
| 14:23.09 | Nyle | enveezee: I'm moving to either california or houstin in a few months |
| 14:23.10 | Nyle | sick of nyc |
| 14:23.21 | Nyle | gonna try the west coast, then seattle |
| 14:23.26 | enveezee | Nyle: yeah the weather sucks |
| 14:23.27 | Nyle | maybe canada |
| 14:23.35 | simonrvn | i'd try seattle first |
| 14:23.36 | Nyle | im sick of 4 feet of snow man |
| 14:23.40 | enveezee | it was like 75 here on monday I thin it was |
| 14:23.47 | enveezee | its been chilly ever since |
| 14:23.47 | Nyle | damn |
| 14:23.50 | Nyle | thats beautiful |
| 14:23.54 | Nyle | 70s is awesome |
| 14:23.57 | simonrvn | hehe, then don't come up here ;) |
| 14:24.02 | enveezee | its like 42 or something this morning |
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| 14:24.22 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 14:24.24 | simonrvn | we're gettting *another* snowstorm later ;) |
| 14:24.34 | KomiaPoika | how can i mount a ntfs hard drive in debian4r3 |
| 14:24.39 | Nyle | simonrvn: be prepared, move your plants inside |
| 14:24.50 | Nyle | KomiaPoika: with read only, or read write? |
| 14:24.52 | simonrvn | Nyle: hehehe |
| 14:24.58 | enveezee | KomiaPoika: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/windows |
| 14:24.59 | Nyle | !ntfsro |
| 14:24.59 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 14:24.59 | KomiaPoika | Nyle: i need to write on it |
| 14:25.02 | Nyle | !ntfsrw |
| 14:25.03 | dpkg | somebody said ntfsrw was available starting with lenny with <ntfs-3g>, or with ntfsmount from ntfsprogs. |
| 14:25.05 | Nyle | here |
| 14:25.09 | enveezee | KomiaPoika: ew |
| 14:25.09 | Nyle | you got both options now |
| 14:25.10 | Nyle | have fun |
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| 14:25.27 | Nyle | !tell KomiaPoika -about ntfs-3g |
| 14:25.28 | enouf | Nyle: just rain and flooding later tonight, no biggy |
| 14:25.30 | Nyle | !tell KomiaPoika -about backports |
| 14:25.34 | enveezee | I wouldn't even bother writing to NTFS if I had anything any bit important on it |
| 14:25.41 | Nyle | enveezee: I know |
| 14:25.50 | Nyle | they say ntfs3g works and is stable |
| 14:25.52 | Nyle | they say |
| 14:26.02 | Nyle | I used it for half a year and you know what I say |
| 14:26.02 | enveezee | then again I wouldnt really put anything important on NTFS to begin with |
| 14:26.05 | Nyle | BULLSHIOT |
| 14:26.13 | Nyle | it fucked up my disk |
| 14:26.14 | Nyle | :( |
| 14:26.25 | Nyle | lost data, good thing I had my shit backed up on a 750 gig |
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| 14:26.49 | donny_ | how do i tell apt to remove a package without marking it as removed, or removing packages that depend on it? |
| 14:26.57 | KomiaPoika | is it safe to write using ntfsprogs? |
| 14:27.01 | Nyle | KomiaPoika: no |
| 14:27.04 | Nyle | hell no |
| 14:27.12 | Nyle | KomiaPoika: for RW use ntfs-3g |
| 14:27.13 | enveezee | the got TB drives pretty cheap now I see, but my uncle made an interesting point about that.. it seems kinda risky putting that much data all in one place |
| 14:27.21 | enveezee | especially on a drive that is cheap |
| 14:27.26 | simonrvn | enveezee: yes |
| 14:27.33 | azeem | dirk__: what do you mean with "etc" |
| 14:27.39 | Nyle | enveezee: it is, but its used only for garbage data |
| 14:27.42 | azeem | dirk__: if you want help, transcribe the EXACT error |
| 14:27.42 | Nyle | nothing important |
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| 14:27.59 | Nyle | !wayttd donny_ |
| 14:27.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, donny_? |
| 14:28.01 | azeem | dirk__: not only the parts you think are important |
| 14:28.24 | enveezee | thinks this pidgin IM might as well be called pigeon shit |
| 14:28.38 | Nyle | donny_: I'm not sure. You want to remove a package (uninstall it) but not mark it as removed? how the hell you propose to do that |
| 14:28.38 | enveezee | when compared to the irssi I'm used to |
| 14:28.48 | Nyle | donny_: explain your goat please |
| 14:28.51 | Nyle | s/goat/goal |
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| 14:29.06 | frapzzt | hi |
| 14:29.06 | enveezee | hah, Dave2 moment there? |
| 14:29.11 | Nyle | hehe |
| 14:29.25 | Nyle | baaaaaa a a a a a |
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| 14:29.31 | Nyle | frapzzt: hi |
| 14:29.34 | frapzzt | is anywhere a good tutorial with debian testint 2.6.24 kernel an ipw3945 ? |
| 14:29.38 | enveezee | I'm bored.. I should probably work on my program but I'm feeling unmotivated right now |
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| 14:29.44 | Nyle | !ipw3945 |
| 14:29.44 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".. As of 2.6.24 in the kernel tree, see the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 14:29.49 | Nyle | frapzzt: ^^ |
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| 14:30.11 | frapzzt | firmware iwlwifi is installed |
| 14:30.15 | frapzzt | modules are loaded |
| 14:30.45 | Nyle | give us more details. |
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| 14:31.33 | enveezee | I wonder if one of these other boxes here has an Office that can read and convert these damn xlsx files .. they're nothing real important and I can view them enough on my expired office to see the formulas and redo them in oo.o but thats too much like work :-P |
| 14:31.47 | frapzzt | Nyle: what fpr details do you need ? hardware is an thinkpad x60 with an ipw3945 chipset |
| 14:32.22 | enouf | frapzzt: wireless-tools installed? any wpasupplicant going on? use iwconfig, iwlist, iwscan? |
| 14:32.37 | frapzzt | iwconfig does not find any wireless devices |
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| 14:32.41 | Nyle | frapzzt: 1) you asked for a tutorial. 2) you said you did what the factoid said. 3) BUT... *what is the problem* |
| 14:32.42 | enouf | !tell frapzzt -about laptop |
| 14:32.44 | Nyle | ? |
| 14:33.01 | Nyle | those details... |
| 14:33.05 | enouf | point |
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| 14:33.40 | enouf | dang, out of smokes .. and food .. /me goes shopping wuth dpkg, it's easier than reading |
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| 14:33.52 | ste | Hi. How can I make the € sign appear correctly in vim? (LC_CTYPE=iso8859-15) |
| 14:34.02 | Nyle | um |
| 14:34.14 | Nyle | ste: it shows good in non vim? |
| 14:34.18 | Nyle | !extended chars |
| 14:34.18 | dpkg | [extended chars] to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñ, or the complete list of combinations is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (utf8 is default), or similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command |
| 14:34.25 | Nyle | thats in X |
| 14:34.37 | enveezee | hmm looks like the gateway has a trial of MS Office 07 that hasn't been activated yet.. |
| 14:34.38 | ste | Nyle: I can show it in the console; I don't use X |
| 14:34.49 | Ace2016 | How do i detach a running program from the console window so it just runs in the background |
| 14:34.55 | Nyle | ste: yes the factoid focuses on X only |
| 14:35.02 | enveezee | I also wonder if I restored this laptop back to factory defaults if I'd be able to reactivate my trial |
| 14:35.08 | Nyle | ste: I'm not sure I don't use vim |
| 14:35.12 | ste | Nyle: vim shows tilde+@ |
| 14:35.22 | enveezee | I know one thing I will never save a MS Office format file ever again |
| 14:35.22 | simonrvn | enveezee: change the date? |
| 14:35.34 | Nyle | enveezee: you did that? |
| 14:35.35 | enveezee | I was under the impression they were all readable by OO.o |
| 14:35.36 | Nyle | you saved in ms format? |
| 14:35.43 | Nyle | HAHAHAH what a tard! |
| 14:35.51 | Nyle | j/k relaxx j/k :) |
| 14:36.09 | enveezee | it came with Office 07 trial I didn't realize it was gonna lock my files up when it expired |
| 14:36.21 | enveezee | I tried the date trick, went back to october and it didn't work |
| 14:36.23 | Nyle | enveezee: that is how they get yer money |
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| 14:36.29 | enveezee | the files are dated november 07 |
| 14:36.38 | Nyle | enveezee: regular people unlike us just go and buy office cuz they just want thier files to wor |
| 14:36.47 | simonrvn | delete the the prefs? |
| 14:37.14 | wols_ | simonrvn: won't work. what will is to install windows and the trial again in a VM |
| 14:37.15 | dirk__ | azeem, http://paste.debian.net/50656 |
| 14:37.26 | enveezee | yeah well when they do ignorant shit like this, buying something from them is the last thing on my mind |
| 14:37.44 | Nyle | I said, unlike us ;) |
| 14:37.45 | enveezee | cause all that shows me is what they are capable of which is decreasing my productivity |
| 14:38.09 | Nyle | *that which is* |
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| 14:38.31 | Nyle | minus what |
| 14:38.36 | Nyle | man that was fucked up sentense |
| 14:38.37 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:38.42 | Nyle | er. sentence |
| 14:39.07 | Nyle | w/e |
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| 14:39.30 | azeem | dirk__: ok |
| 14:39.32 | Nyle | enveezee: what kinda file is it? |
| 14:39.42 | Nyle | enveezee: like a spreadsheet? |
| 14:39.45 | azeem | dirk__: do you login via gdm or startx? |
| 14:39.46 | enveezee | thats like when I installed a fresh XP system (did it with both OEM Pro and OEM Home) for my buddy Dave.. both times no sooner did I hook it to his internet he started having persistant Messenger service popups that said he had 55 registry errors and wanted me to go to some site and d/l this program which was like a spyware scanner that found them all but to clean em you had to buy it.. then it had a setting with a checkbox to stop |
| 14:40.05 | enveezee | so I just went into the Admin control panel and disabled windows messenging service |
| 14:40.12 | Nyle | thats great |
| 14:40.16 | Nyle | ot |
| 14:40.22 | dirk__ | azeem, gdm |
| 14:40.36 | Roobarb | how can I find out which package(s) contain files with a certain string in them? |
| 14:40.41 | enveezee | they are Microsoft Excel 2007 xlsx files and OO.o asks what to import them as and there doesn't seem to be any filter that works |
| 14:40.48 | Nyle | Roobarb: packages.debian.org |
| 14:40.52 | Nyle | !tell Roobarb -about search |
| 14:40.58 | azeem | dirk__: ok. So what happens, do you get thrown back to gdm, or is the login party working? |
| 14:41.04 | azeem | partly* |
| 14:41.09 | Nyle | haha party :) |
| 14:41.09 | enveezee | I'm just gonna have to open them back up in a working Office 07 and save them as CSV or something universal |
| 14:41.20 | Roobarb | Nyle: thanks |
| 14:41.21 | Nyle | yup like wols_ said |
| 14:41.33 | enveezee | the login party? is that a new political party? |
| 14:41.45 | enouf | Roobarb: install dlocate too, run updatedb prior to using |
| 14:41.49 | dirk__ | azeem, no not a party here at all ;) I'll been thrown back to gdm |
| 14:42.05 | Nyle | enouf: add to factoid |
| 14:42.06 | Nyle | ? |
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| 14:42.07 | enouf | Roobarb: (for searching installed pkgs) |
| 14:42.12 | azeem | ok |
| 14:42.20 | Roobarb | enouf: ok. I assme these tools are for installed packages only, or do they work for non-installed packages too? |
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| 14:42.38 | enouf | Nyle: sure, go ahead - or make a dlocate one, mainly people want what dpkg -L <pkg> does |
| 14:42.38 | Nyle | Roobarb: read what enough JUST said |
| 14:42.47 | Roobarb | Nyle: :) |
| 14:43.23 | enouf | read teh factoid dpkg told you Roobarb |
| 14:43.24 | enouf | that Nyle sent you |
| 14:43.24 | Roobarb | I am |
| 14:43.37 | Nyle | Im hungry |
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| 14:43.52 | Nyle | choc milk and golden grahams |
| 14:44.18 | Nyle | reload cereal bowl or gun? |
| 14:44.21 | Nyle | hehe |
| 14:44.43 | eth01 | whats a quick(ish), simple way of installing a mail server with squirrelmail say? |
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| 14:44.56 | wols_ | eth01: not possible |
| 14:45.03 | Nyle | eth01: quick and simple? keep dreaming. |
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| 14:45.23 | wols_ | but any imap mailservre will do |
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| 14:46.01 | tore_ | eth01: http://johnny.chadda.se/2007/04/15/mail-server-howto-postfix-and-dovecot-with-mysql-and-tlsssl-postgrey-and-dspam/ |
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| 14:46.39 | Nyle | tore_: thats so quick and so simple, wow ;) |
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| 14:47.03 | joltcan_ | eth01: I like http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/exim4_courier/ |
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| 14:47.14 | dimsuz | how do I specify architecture (i386 or ia64) of a package I want to install if there are several versions of it? |
| 14:47.22 | dimsuz | some apt-get option? |
| 14:47.23 | tore_ | Nyle: It is |
| 14:47.25 | eth01 | kthx |
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| 14:47.28 | simonrvn | ugh. etch's dspam is a PITA, IME |
| 14:47.29 | anabain | is it possible to run an iso image without having to burn it on a cd? |
| 14:47.35 | valdyn | dimsuz: you dont have a choice |
| 14:47.37 | azeem | dirk__: did you change permissions of any other files outside of your homedir? |
| 14:47.38 | Nyle | tore_: there is no sarcasm |
| 14:47.44 | simonrvn | dimsuz: a) it'd be amd64 b) what? |
| 14:48.04 | tore_ | Nyle: ok. then so :-) |
| 14:48.33 | themill | anabain: what do you mean by "run"? |
| 14:48.41 | dimsuz | simonrvn, valdyn: imagine I've 64 bit system but want to install 64 & 32 bit pam libs. or uninstall selectively one of them. how do i do that? |
| 14:48.53 | valdyn | dimsuz: you cant do that |
| 14:48.53 | Nyle | dimsuz: why? |
| 14:49.01 | simonrvn | dimsuz: you can't |
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| 14:49.10 | Nyle | !tell dimsuz -about amd64 |
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| 14:49.18 | Nyle | read the howto and other stuff |
| 14:49.22 | jugglinx | hi all |
| 14:49.27 | Nyle | now, why exactly are you wanting to do that? |
| 14:49.32 | Nyle | jugglinx: hi |
| 14:49.34 | anabain | themill, reproduce the same process (booting, etc.) as it if were burnt on a cd |
| 14:49.50 | valdyn | dimsuz: or, more precisely, you cannot mix different arch debian packages; but that in itself does not make ANY assumption about the contained binaries |
| 14:49.54 | simonrvn | hd-media install? |
| 14:50.01 | amphi | anabain: you could boot it under qemu, perhaps |
| 14:50.07 | themill | anabain: in a virtual machine you can |
| 14:50.33 | Nyle | simonrvn: what? |
| 14:50.34 | anabain | I'll try virtualbox, then |
| 14:50.35 | dirk__ | azeem, yes.. 'played' with some files which are installed unther wine... |
| 14:50.42 | Nyle | anabain: virtualbox-ose |
| 14:50.49 | anabain | thanx |
| 14:50.49 | valdyn | dimsuz: you may want to relearn the meanings of debian arch , architecture, cpu architecture. They are not the same. |
| 14:50.51 | Nyle | yw |
| 14:50.58 | dimsuz | Nyle, valdyn: i need to do it because i have a 32-bit executable module using PAM interface |
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| 14:51.18 | azeem | dirk__: which files exactly? |
| 14:51.22 | Nyle | dimsuz: you need a chroot it sounds for your 32bit apps |
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| 14:51.46 | valdyn | dimsuz: you mean you have a binary only proprietary 32-bit only pam module? |
| 14:51.51 | DexterF | I don't get it. Why are there no old runlevels anymore? I only need to boot the machine to text mode |
| 14:52.06 | Nyle | DexterF: run level anything |
| 14:52.10 | Nyle | !runlevels |
| 14:52.10 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 14:52.10 | valdyn | DexterF: debian hasnt had those runlevels for a decade |
| 14:52.12 | dirk__ | azeem, changed some in the permissions of drive-c |
| 14:52.15 | wols_ | DexterF: they are stull there |
| 14:52.18 | wols_ | *still |
| 14:52.19 | azeem | dirk__: also, what does "ls -l ~ | grep esktop" say? |
| 14:52.21 | wols_ | just not used |
| 14:52.33 | valdyn | !nodm |
| 14:52.33 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 14:52.38 | valdyn | DexterF: ^^^^ |
| 14:52.52 | Nyle | good thinkin' |
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| 14:53.27 | dimsuz | Nyle: at least one thing that i need: 32-bit PAM modules installed to /lib32/security folder, why it's impossible i couldn't to understand |
| 14:53.34 | Nyle | actually, if that dm thing is causing shit, you can always drop to text console using ALT+F1 |
| 14:53.39 | enouf | i bet he's on ubuntu using upstart |
| 14:53.41 | Nyle | alt+ctrl+F1-... |
| 14:53.50 | DexterF | ok, at least that gets me where I wanna go, still I don't see why the old system was abandoned. worked fine. |
| 14:53.58 | dimsuz | valdyn: yep |
| 14:54.00 | Nyle | DexterF: you can configure it... |
| 14:54.06 | valdyn | dimsuz: you would need 2 parallel installations of pam |
| 14:54.08 | DexterF | what's dm here? |
| 14:54.19 | Nyle | dislay manger |
| 14:54.21 | dimsuz | valdyn: that's what i'm asking. is it possible? |
| 14:54.23 | Nyle | kdm/gdm/xdm/wdm |
| 14:54.24 | Nyle | etc. |
| 14:54.28 | DexterF | duh |
| 14:54.38 | valdyn | dimsuz: sure, but its not supported by debian |
| 14:54.40 | Nyle | huh? |
| 14:54.44 | Nyle | DexterF: chill. |
| 14:54.53 | DexterF | Nyle: (?) |
| 14:55.17 | dimsuz | valdyn: other distros make this possible. ok. at least i know that's unsupported. thanks valdyn and Nyle! :) |
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| 14:55.37 | Nyle | which distros? |
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| 14:56.09 | Nyle | nm |
| 14:56.11 | valdyn | some distro might just call itself 64-bit while keeping most userspace stuff 32-bit, who knows |
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| 14:56.18 | Nyle | yeh |
| 14:56.20 | dimsuz | valdyn: wait. so it means that debian cant run 32 bit executables on 64 bit platform? |
| 14:56.27 | Nyle | it can |
| 14:56.29 | valdyn | dimsuz: it can |
| 14:56.31 | Nyle | of course it can |
| 14:56.35 | dimsuz | then i'm puzzled |
| 14:56.36 | Nyle | it would be stupid if it couldn't |
| 14:56.40 | Nyle | dimsuz: I told you what to read |
| 14:56.41 | Nyle | dude. |
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| 14:56.47 | Nyle | once again |
| 14:56.50 | dimsuz | :) |
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| 14:56.52 | Nyle | !tell dimsuz -about amd64 |
| 14:56.53 | valdyn | dimsuz: there's no _amd64.deb for pam containing 32-bit stuff afaik |
| 14:57.15 | dimsuz | i skipped it because i dont care about amd64. i care about e.g. ia64 |
| 14:57.16 | valdyn | dimsuz: theres a libc6-i386_amd64 and other stuff, just no pam |
| 14:57.28 | valdyn | dimsuz: are you sane? |
| 14:57.42 | valdyn | dimsuz: ia64 is itanium, it doesnt run 32-bit code properly at all |
| 14:57.48 | dimsuz | valdyn: uhm :) i'm not sure. oopps |
| 14:57.53 | dimsuz | wow |
| 14:57.57 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 14:57.59 | dimsuz | i thought that's intel64 |
| 14:58.02 | dimsuz | :-D |
| 14:58.08 | Nyle | !ia64 |
| 14:58.08 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64 |
| 14:58.09 | valdyn | dimsuz: amd64 = emt64 |
| 14:58.36 | dimsuz | sorry guys. new to this 64 bit stuff |
| 14:58.40 | savanty | hi, i have a question. do i need to activate my debian with a linux serial key if i want to use linux update to download security updates, patches, etc? |
| 14:58.44 | Nyle | dimsuz: stick to 32bit then |
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| 14:58.51 | DexterF | it just came to me: I can just pass my script I wanna run to the grub line, right? no need to fsck around with the dm, no need to auto-login... |
| 14:58.52 | valdyn | savanty: no |
| 14:58.57 | Nyle | dimsuz: if you don't have a need/reason for amd64 dont use it |
| 14:59.00 | savanty | valdyn: are you sure? |
| 14:59.09 | valdyn | savanty: why do you ask? |
| 14:59.12 | amphi | savanty: you joke |
| 14:59.16 | Nyle | troll? |
| 14:59.19 | dimsuz | Nyle: ok. |
| 14:59.21 | dimsuz | thanks |
| 14:59.23 | Nyle | savanty: linux is free |
| 14:59.41 | valdyn | savanty: you're either trolling or brainwashed by ms software ;) |
| 14:59.44 | Nyle | savanty: if any linux asks for a serial or that you buy stuff, kick em in the nuts an dmove on |
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| 14:59.56 | savanty | i know linux is free, but abrotman told me that i need a serial key to be able to use linux update? |
| 15:00.05 | Nyle | you fucking kiddin me man? |
| 15:00.10 | valdyn | savanty: a key yes, but not a serial key |
| 15:00.10 | Nyle | you can't be serious. |
| 15:00.13 | Nyle | oh |
| 15:00.13 | dirk__ | azeem, http://paste.debian.net/50657 |
| 15:00.15 | Nyle | HAHAHAHA |
| 15:00.18 | Nyle | this is hilarious |
| 15:00.20 | DexterF | savanty: no he didn't |
| 15:00.21 | amphi | heh |
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| 15:00.25 | Nyle | !apt-key |
| 15:00.30 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 15:00.34 | Nyle | !no public key |
| 15:00.34 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 15:00.35 | DexterF | :D |
| 15:00.36 | savanty | i asked him if a antivirus is need for linux and he told yes and that i can download kaspersky (i think) for free from linux update if i have an serial key. i'm not joking, and i'm not a troll. |
| 15:00.39 | stew | savanty: you must have misunderstood something. what is "linux update"? |
| 15:00.46 | abrotman | savanty: go troll eselwhere |
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| 15:01.25 | valdyn | savanty: you don't need av, but kapersky might need a serial, its not free software, its not part of debian either |
| 15:01.37 | simonrvn | savanty: i very much doubt that |
| 15:01.42 | savanty | but hey you told me me to ask here man |
| 15:01.44 | Nyle | just use clamav? |
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| 15:01.54 | abrotman | yes .. defintely a troll |
| 15:01.56 | valdyn | clamav is for windows viruses, isnt it? |
| 15:02.03 | savanty | abrotman, why are telling me to stop trolling here? |
| 15:02.06 | stew | valdyn: not exclusively |
| 15:02.08 | savanty | you told me to ask in this chan |
| 15:02.12 | DexterF | savanty: that only goes for kaspersky since its 3rd party commercial software. but running linux you dont need a virus scanner anyway |
| 15:02.14 | Nyle | valdyn: no |
| 15:02.19 | abrotman | savanty: in which channel did i tell you to do that? |
| 15:02.30 | azeem | dirk__: eh, that looks bad |
| 15:02.31 | valdyn | either way clamav is been close to useless the few times i used it |
| 15:02.36 | savanty | abrotman, you told me it yesterday IN THIS CHAN |
| 15:02.38 | Nyle | valdyn: how so? |
| 15:02.40 | savanty | check the logs or something |
| 15:02.40 | abrotman | no i did not |
| 15:02.51 | azeem | dirk__: check the partition |
| 15:03.00 | Nyle | savanty: seriously, can I have some of that shit you're smokin'? |
| 15:03.01 | Nyle | please |
| 15:03.08 | valdyn | Nyle: it just didnt solve my problems, i.e. it didnt detect the viruses |
| 15:03.09 | Maulkin | Calm down folkes |
| 15:03.09 | savanty | yes you did, i can paste the logs when i come back home. |
| 15:03.14 | Maulkin | Nyle: not helpful |
| 15:03.19 | Nyle | Maulkin: jokin |
| 15:03.24 | abrotman | savanty: ask someone else here for logs .. |
| 15:03.46 | savanty | nyle: im skoing g-13 |
| 15:03.51 | Nyle | w/e |
| 15:03.56 | savanty | but thats not relevant here |
| 15:04.20 | savanty | so no need to use av in linux? |
| 15:04.21 | valdyn | savanty: go to debians website and read a little |
| 15:04.21 | dirk__ | azeem, can't I just remove wine? |
| 15:04.24 | Nyle | savanty: I don't believe you and neither will anyone else. Do you have a debian related question that doesn't have to do with serial keys and non debian av? |
| 15:04.39 | azeem | dirk__: how are the two related? |
| 15:04.40 | valdyn | savanty: right, you dont need it |
| 15:04.44 | fireba11 | haha |
| 15:04.45 | Maulkin | savanty: As valdyn said, you don't need AV for Debian. Have a look at clamav if you want to search for windows viruses. I'm afraid we can't support 3rd party programs. Is there anything else we can help with? |
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| 15:05.05 | azeem | dirk__: the file permissions look corrupted, probably due to a corrupted file system |
| 15:05.14 | azeem | dirk__: unless you did not paste verbatim |
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| 15:05.38 | thedonvaughn | savanty: used linux over 10 years, not one virus ever. However, you can still get a windows virus and pass it to a windows workstation/server on the network. That is what clamav and others are for. |
| 15:05.51 | savanty | why are you people so unfriendly against beginners? |
| 15:05.55 | dirk__ | azeem, thought that there a permission problem in the wine folder.... finale 2007.desktop and the other are programs installed in wine |
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| 15:06.08 | savanty | i SWEAR, abortman told me yo ask you theese questions in this channel. i promise. |
| 15:06.10 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 15:06.17 | valdyn | savanty: its not about being a beginner, its about refusing to first read the faq and http://www.debian.org/ a little |
| 15:06.20 | Dantix | hi all, recently I've ran out of space in one hard disk, one of folders on it was shared using NFS, so I've changed export file to point the shared folder to a new folder on other disk. The thing works fine until a day the client servers starting to bring me up the message: NFS Stale and stoped to access the data in the shared folder. How can I fix it? all my clients servers are in the same situation... |
| 15:06.24 | Nyle | savanty: go away. |
| 15:06.24 | abrotman | savanty: stop lying .. go away |
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| 15:06.58 | savanty | nyle: cant you just shut fuck up and stop playing op in this channel? |
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| 15:07.04 | abrotman | right .. see |
| 15:07.12 | Nyle | savanty: god bless you mate. |
| 15:07.17 | valdyn | i dont have no savanty in my lastlog |
| 15:07.23 | savanty | im a leet k3rn3l h4x0r |
| 15:07.25 | Nyle | valdyn: of course you don't. |
| 15:07.26 | abrotman | valdyn: how about kornholijo ? |
| 15:07.27 | savanty | i r00tz0r ur b0xes |
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| 15:07.29 | tarzeau | how can you play op? either you are op or you ain't |
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| 15:07.39 | azeem | savanty: please keep it on topic in the future |
| 15:07.42 | Nyle | thank you. |
| 15:07.46 | azeem | savanty: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 15:07.47 | Nyle | !beer azeem |
| 15:07.53 | azeem | urgh |
| 15:07.54 | abrotman | valdyn: my guess anyway |
| 15:08.05 | tarzeau | have a nice weekend you guys! |
| 15:08.10 | Nyle | tarzeau: you too! |
| 15:08.12 | fireba11 | *ikes* web/ajax ??? |
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| 15:08.19 | azeem | I still have parts of yesterday's 4 pints of Paulaner Salvator in my head |
| 15:08.34 | tarzeau | azeem: how much bottles did you drink? |
| 15:08.34 | Nyle | azeem: yeh I was about to ask you, too early? |
| 15:08.35 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:08.39 | tarzeau | 4 pints |
| 15:08.41 | Nyle | tarzeau: how many* |
| 15:08.47 | Nyle | nm |
| 15:08.47 | tarzeau | Nyle: eh right |
| 15:08.48 | azeem | tarzeau: they come in 1l clay steins |
| 15:08.54 | Nyle | tarzeau: :) |
| 15:08.58 | tarzeau | ugh, yeah that's not nothing heh |
| 15:09.09 | Nyle | tarzeau: go away already :) |
| 15:09.15 | Nyle | enjoy your weekend |
| 15:09.27 | dirk__ | azeem, and the fact that I can add a new user? Can't I make that user root and remove the older user? |
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| 15:09.43 | azeem | dirk__: sure, if you don't care about the old one |
| 15:09.51 | azeem | dirk__: not sure what you mean with "make that user root"? |
| 15:10.01 | azeem | dirk__: what did you do to make the current user root? |
| 15:10.11 | dirk__ | azeem, make the new user the system administrator |
| 15:10.14 | valdyn | dirk__: youre confused as to what root is and means |
| 15:10.15 | azeem | how? |
| 15:10.25 | valdyn | dirk__: thats nonsense |
| 15:10.28 | simonrvn | *blink* wot? |
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| 15:10.31 | valdyn | dirk__: what do you really want? |
| 15:10.45 | simonrvn | make linux more like windows ;p |
| 15:10.48 | azeem | valdyn: can you please let dirk__ answer my question first? |
| 15:10.55 | Nyle | hhhahaa |
| 15:11.04 | azeem | I want to know what he *did* not what he wants to do |
| 15:11.13 | DexterF | simonrvn: install kde 4 :D |
| 15:11.16 | dirk__ | azeem, adduser user root :/ |
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| 15:11.35 | valdyn | dirk__: what do you think that command did? |
| 15:11.40 | Nyle | DexterF: no comparison. |
| 15:11.41 | azeem | dirk__: what does "getent group | grep user" say? |
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| 15:12.15 | DexterF | Nyle: yeah, win has les sbugs as of now ;) |
| 15:12.49 | Nyle | w/e |
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| 15:15.00 | dirk__ | azeem, my sister is printing on as new user on that pc... so can't give that command right now |
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| 15:15.25 | subsume|work | So I set KeepAlives = yes in my sshd_conf and it still terminated me! |
| 15:15.38 | Nyle | TCPKeepAlive |
| 15:16.03 | subsume|work | "TCPKeepAlive yes" |
| 15:16.14 | subsume|work | should it be = yes? |
| 15:16.14 | Nyle | that is correct |
| 15:16.17 | Nyle | no - |
| 15:16.19 | Nyle | no = |
| 15:16.21 | dirk__ | azeem, I don't really care about the setting of the first user.... If I can have another user with the same possibilities as the formeer, I'll be fine |
| 15:16.26 | Nyle | TCPKeepAlive yes |
| 15:16.28 | Nyle | JUST this. |
| 15:16.38 | subsume|work | Then its done |
| 15:16.40 | azeem | dirk__: if you mess it up the same way as the first user, it won't help much |
| 15:16.43 | Nyle | restart ssh |
| 15:16.43 | subsume|work | Earlier in the config file was already KeepAlive yes |
| 15:16.49 | subsume|work | I did, Nyle |
| 15:16.51 | azeem | dirk__: so finding out what exactly you did wrong is important |
| 15:17.32 | dirk__ | azeem, I've *ucked up the permissions of some folders which are in wine I think... |
| 15:17.40 | Nyle | you really wanna mess up a user, give him crack |
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| 15:17.47 | Nyle | fireba11: ... |
| 15:17.51 | azeem | dirk__: I don't think that's the only problem |
| 15:18.15 | fireba11 | Nyle : i'd prefer giving him beer ... cheaper and slightly less illegal :-) |
| 15:18.54 | Nyle | slightly, you get hanged in my country for possession of alcohol (not rubbing/ethnol) |
| 15:19.15 | dirk__ | azeem, ok... how can I make a new user and remove the older one? |
| 15:19.17 | fireba11 | ew .. what ? wth do you live ? |
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| 15:19.38 | Nyle | southwest asia |
| 15:19.39 | azeem | dirk__: I'm still waiting for you to present the output of the command I requested you to run |
| 15:19.43 | azeem | 16:10 < azeem> dirk__: what does "getent group | grep user" say? |
| 15:20.02 | dirk__ | azeem, ok |
| 15:20.05 | fireba11 | Nyle: and beer is illegal there ? |
| 15:20.25 | dirk__ | azeem, appreciate your help by the way |
| 15:20.27 | Nyle | if its a malt liqour beverage. non alcoholic beer is ok, OT |
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| 15:21.14 | ramu | based on the deblivehelper i created live cd in that bootsplash is not coming |
| 15:21.33 | Nyle | ramu: #debian-live maybe |
| 15:21.47 | Nyle | ramu: I don't know how many people here tried bootsplashing a live cd they made |
| 15:21.53 | Nyle | ;) |
| 15:22.08 | ramu | Nyle, no one is on the channel |
| 15:22.16 | Nyle | try oftc? |
| 15:22.22 | Nyle | !live |
| 15:22.22 | dpkg | it has been said that live is The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live on oftc.net (irc.debian.org), or http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/ |
| 15:22.44 | ramu | Nyle, why peoples are not available on this n/w |
| 15:22.57 | Nyle | I don't know and I'm not interested. |
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| 15:23.06 | Nyle | I just go where the resources are, I don't ask questions. |
| 15:23.44 | Nyle | if you must know |
| 15:23.47 | Nyle | !oftc |
| 15:23.47 | dpkg | i guess oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 15:23.56 | Nyle | eh |
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| 15:24.36 | Nyle | there was a reason the moved happend a few years ago, irc.debian.org/net w/e pointed to freenode, had some differences with people here, went to oftc officially (though this is still an unofficial channel) |
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| 15:25.01 | Nyle | went as in the canonical name pointed to oftc now |
| 15:25.07 | CrashSys | Anyone point me to a website that tells me how to compile/create my own initrd? I have an issue withmkinitrd not loading all my MD raid's correctly... |
| 15:25.38 | Nyle | !initrd |
| 15:25.38 | dpkg | well, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 15:25.51 | stew | i don't thinkj there was a disagreement, i think it just made sense to people to move irc.debian.org to the irc network which is held by the same holding company as debian |
| 15:26.05 | Nyle | stew: I did not know tht |
| 15:26.19 | stew | CrashSys: don't use mkinitrd with recent kernels, use mkiniramfs from initramfs-tools |
| 15:26.44 | stew | CrashSys: mkinitrd uses devfs instead of udev and devfs was removed from 2.6.13 and later kernels |
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| 15:27.11 | CrashSys | Hmmm, ok, i'll give that a shot... |
| 15:27.28 | CrashSys | I was having issues with mkinitrd only loading 2/3 raid disks, etc etc... |
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| 15:27.48 | stew | CrashSys: are you compiling your own kernel? or are you building a new initrd for a debian kernel? or what? |
| 15:28.02 | CrashSys | Building a new initrd for a precompiled kernel |
| 15:28.19 | Nyle | !yaird |
| 15:28.24 | Nyle | doh |
| 15:28.26 | CrashSys | this is on sarge |
| 15:28.30 | stew | CrashSys: then you just need to run "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" |
| 15:28.40 | stew | CrashSys: what kernel version? |
| 15:28.46 | CrashSys | 2.6.22 |
| 15:28.58 | CrashSys | it's a debian'ish distro called "Untangle" |
| 15:28.58 | Nyle | |seriously |
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| 15:30.48 | Nyle | !based on debian |
| 15:30.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 15:31.11 | Nyle | hm |
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| 15:31.24 | craigevil | wtf is untangle? where do ppl get these off the wall distros from |
| 15:31.37 | abrotman | stew: there was the lilo-begging-for-money thing |
| 15:31.50 | abrotman | which apparently didn't sit well with some |
| 15:31.51 | donald_ | how do i get the wifi LED to light on with iwl3945? |
| 15:31.58 | stew | abrotman: which stopped years before the move |
| 15:32.03 | CrashSys | it's a router/spamfilter/all-in-one thing |
| 15:32.05 | abrotman | no it didn't |
| 15:32.25 | abrotman | stew: it's still part of the server logon messages |
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| 15:34.34 | donald_ | aww.. |
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| 15:34.51 | stew | donald_: is your wifi card functional? |
| 15:34.52 | Nyle | your laptop blew up |
| 15:34.55 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:35.07 | Nyle | stew: he said aww |
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| 15:35.15 | Nyle | my guess, not yet |
| 15:35.17 | donald_ | stew: yes. just no LED |
| 15:35.21 | waspius | does anyone know how to enable 3d acceleration |
| 15:35.23 | Nyle | oh wow word |
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| 15:35.31 | Nyle | waspius: sure, gfx card? |
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| 15:35.43 | waspius | Nyle: ati radeon 345m |
| 15:35.52 | Nyle | 345m? |
| 15:35.56 | Nyle | is that old? |
| 15:36.04 | waspius | about 4 years |
| 15:36.08 | Nyle | !ati |
| 15:36.09 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd> |
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| 15:36.35 | Nyle | wth |
| 15:36.37 | ttyS1 | how can I connect to the console port of a cisco router ? |
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| 15:37.02 | Nyle | waspius: just use the xserver-xorg-video-ati package |
| 15:37.04 | simonrvn | that factoid is a fricking mess |
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| 15:37.07 | Nyle | waspius: should do the trick |
| 15:37.12 | Nyle | simonrvn: i know |
| 15:37.14 | Nyle | right |
| 15:37.18 | ttyS1 | I tried getty getty 9600 ttyS1 but I get no prompt |
| 15:37.20 | waspius | Nyle: i will try it..thank you |
| 15:37.47 | Nyle | yup |
| 15:38.16 | donald_ | do i need to modprobe iwl3945 with special options to get the LED to light up? |
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| 15:39.18 | DanglyBits | Can anyone tell me how to install NX Server or FreeNX into Lenny? |
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| 15:39.41 | abrotman | DanglyBits: ask them? |
| 15:39.41 | grendal_prime | i need a limited time period durring boot up where a specific user is loged in I need it to monitor for a key combination. |
| 15:39.44 | stew | ttyS1: you wouldn't use getty, that is for creating consoles on YOUR machine. you'd use a serial comm program like minicom. |
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| 15:40.25 | badcfe_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/932178 <-- problem with "make" (related to debian?) .. in one makefile $(CC) is substituted but in the other the result is simply "cc". why? |
| 15:40.37 | donald_ | or should i go back to ipw3945 drivers to see the LED work? |
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| 15:42.10 | stew | donald_: no, you should just be content with no working LED |
| 15:42.31 | donald_ | shucks |
| 15:42.38 | stew | badcfe_: how/where are you setting the value of CC ? |
| 15:42.56 | donald_ | also, thinkwiki is no help trying to get the brightness up/down keys to work |
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| 15:43.18 | stew | donald_: you can use xbacklight if you are on testing |
| 15:43.35 | grendal_prime | stew: i this possible? We have an apliance that we want to put a small linux boot up sequence on so that we can write config files and whatnot via a console. We have the console worked out, but we want this to be somwhat transparrent to the rest of the boot up process. Basically we want to be able to boot the box while its booting hold down a specific key combination...so that it haults in the linux and allows use to log in. |
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| 15:44.20 | donald_ | stew: xbacklight works. Gnome Power Manager sliders also work. just no hardware control? |
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| 15:44.43 | donald_ | stew: BTW, this is testing with 2.6.24 kernel from sid |
| 15:44.48 | stew | donald_: it doesn't work on my newer thinkpad either. i haven't spent any time diagnosing it though |
| 15:44.52 | stew | grendal_prime: its possible |
| 15:44.54 | Cacheaway | About to do an upgrade from sarge to etch, planning on doing it with apt-get dist-upgrade. Does anyone have any warnings to share on this procedure? There are 15 websites and a few mysql databases already (to those who remmber me from yesterday, yes I got him to consider upgrading). |
| 15:45.07 | badcfe_ | stew: im sorry. i found it. error is in the sources for the stats target (the .c there ...) |
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| 15:45.15 | donald_ | how would i get thinkpad_acpi to version 0.18 ? |
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| 15:45.32 | mohbana | hi guys is there good support for eclipse and icedtea on debian? |
| 15:45.45 | mohbana | and the 8800gts |
| 15:46.17 | DanglyBits | Just looking at installing Debian for 1st time....what is the most bleeding edge (Sid, Lenny) that I can install? |
| 15:46.33 | grendal_prime | stew should i look at looging directly in as a specified user(one with of course limited privilages) and then run my key combo check, then continue on to the appliances OS ? |
| 15:46.38 | donald_ | DanglyBits: testing aka Lenny is more fun |
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| 15:46.56 | suwro | hello |
| 15:47.01 | ignu | Anyone know what to do? I'm getting "Unlock Keyring", "Enter password for default keyring to unlock" "The application 'nm-applet' (usr/bin/nm-applet) wants access to the default keyring, but it is locked." |
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| 15:47.30 | bulio | I have a server running Debian etch |
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| 15:47.39 | bulio | theres no firewall between it and the internet |
| 15:47.42 | DanglyBits | if i install Lenny do i need to install via 4 DVD's or is there a single CD that I can install? |
| 15:47.46 | suwro | is there any method to limit apache vhost domain to max connections? - I want to limit a vhost domain to 300 connections only from 510 |
| 15:47.54 | bulio | does anyone have a guide on how to harden said server? |
| 15:47.56 | craigevil | !netinstall |
| 15:47.57 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. |
| 15:48.03 | donald_ | i can play MP3 in totem but not on rhythmbox? how come? |
| 15:48.07 | mohbana | anyone get my question? |
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| 15:48.20 | suwro | mohbana: ask again |
| 15:48.29 | mohbana | hi guys is there good support for eclipse and icedtea on debian and the 8800gts with compiz? |
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| 15:48.36 | abrotman | mohbana: i don't tihnk icedtea is in debian yet .. not sure |
| 15:48.45 | donald_ | DanglyBits: if u have good internet access, use the netinst CD. |
| 15:48.46 | abrotman | wasn't last i looked |
| 15:48.55 | suwro | what is icedtea? |
| 15:48.58 | abrotman | !icedtea |
| 15:48.58 | dpkg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea or http://icedtea.classpath.org |
| 15:49.04 | craigevil | no its not, there are .deb packages for it floating around the net |
| 15:49.09 | ramu | mount: unknown filesystem type 'squashfs' |
| 15:49.28 | DanglyBits | donald: Sorry where can I find the x86 netinst CD for Lenny ? |
| 15:49.29 | ramu | how to mount this filesytem |
| 15:49.41 | jetscreamer | squashfstools or so maybe |
| 15:49.51 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search squash |
| 15:49.53 | suwro | ic |
| 15:49.56 | donald_ | DanglyBits: debian-installer page |
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| 15:50.03 | suwro | ok - can i limit a vhost connections ? |
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| 15:50.30 | ramu | jetscreamer, squashfs-tools is already there |
| 15:50.32 | donald_ | DanglyBits: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:50.42 | madclicker | hi, what command I issue to apt-get or dpkg to do a dist upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 15:51.02 | jetscreamer | ramu: fuse |
| 15:51.22 | bulio | I have a server running Debian etch |
| 15:51.23 | bulio | theres no firewall between it and the internet |
| 15:51.25 | bulio | does anyone have a guide on how to harden said server? |
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| 15:51.31 | abrotman | !harden |
| 15:51.31 | dpkg | well, harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 15:51.31 | donald_ | madclicker: change etch to lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:51.32 | ramu | jetscreamer, fuse means |
| 15:51.34 | jetscreamer | madclicker: stranglly enough, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:51.38 | jetscreamer | !fuse |
| 15:51.38 | DanglyBits | donald: when i go there and look under testing (which I think is Lenny) there are some 24 CD's |
| 15:51.38 | dpkg | i guess fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 15:51.48 | abrotman | !tell madclicker about etch->lenny |
| 15:51.56 | Nyle | dpkg no ati is For X1300/X1600/X1800/X1900 see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. |
| 15:51.57 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
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| 15:52.22 | donald_ | DanglyBits: i got the CD here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:52.24 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i just slept like 18 hours or so |
| 15:52.28 | Nyle | jetscreamer: nice |
| 15:52.32 | Nyle | thats what I'm talking about |
| 15:52.39 | jetscreamer | usually i'm lucky to sleep 5 or 6 |
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| 15:52.43 | Haris | Hello people |
| 15:52.45 | bulio | thanks abrotman |
| 15:52.57 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 15:52.57 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
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| 15:53.16 | Haris | On this box, I got a hint last night that its not decrease in resources that might be causing my dismay |
| 15:53.23 | waspius | Nyle: check this please http://pastebin.ca/932194 |
| 15:53.27 | DanglyBits | donald: that looks much better at least I can tell which one to download....is there a GUI installer with Lenny ? |
| 15:53.29 | madclicker | thanks guys |
| 15:53.36 | jetscreamer | Haris: sounds like a song |
| 15:53.38 | waspius | Nyle: it is the outcome of what you told me |
| 15:53.39 | jetscreamer | not data |
| 15:53.43 | donald_ | DanglyBits: it text based |
| 15:53.49 | Haris | This box stops accepting connections for a brief period (which is random, it can happen anytime) and then it works normally |
| 15:53.58 | mohbana | could i install debian from an iso image preferably from an ntfs disk? |
| 15:54.02 | donald_ | DanglyBits: works faster |
| 15:54.07 | jetscreamer | yes mohbana |
| 15:54.18 | abrotman | Haris: it could be all kinds of stuff .. does the whole machine sieze or just netowrk ? |
| 15:54.19 | jetscreamer | or just use goodbye-windows.com mohbana |
| 15:54.20 | DanglyBits | donald: thanks for the help |
| 15:54.42 | Nyle | waspius: what did |
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| 15:54.54 | donald_ | i can play MP3 in totem but not on rhythmbox? how come? |
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| 15:55.08 | Nyle | what did I tell you? |
| 15:55.12 | waspius | Nyle: for the ati card |
| 15:55.21 | waspius | Nyle: 3d acceleration |
| 15:55.21 | Haris | abrotman: Not as far as I'v checked. Only browsing seems to be affected at the time. It just doesn't pick up connections on port 80 |
| 15:55.32 | Haris | I'll double check to make sure the next time it happens |
| 15:55.45 | jetscreamer | make it waspious |
| 15:56.00 | Maulkin | Nyle: xpdf? |
| 15:56.04 | Haris | FTP to lan works at full speed of Fast ethernet from the same box |
| 15:56.08 | mohbana | do i have to manaully install the nvidia driverS? |
| 15:56.12 | Nyle | Maulkin: go away ;) |
| 15:56.19 | Haris | which is why I'm in aww |
| 15:56.19 | jetscreamer | mohbana: usually |
| 15:56.28 | jetscreamer | !tell mohbana -about nvrun |
| 15:56.28 | Haris | or is that awe |
| 15:56.46 | madclicker | when i do a etch -> lenny dist-upgrade i get an error "E: internal error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata" |
| 15:56.53 | madclicker | and it stops |
| 15:56.55 | abrotman | jetscreamer: please stop doing that |
| 15:57.00 | Nyle | madclicker: its ok |
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| 15:57.07 | hark | madclicker: install it separately |
| 15:57.08 | madclicker | hmm |
| 15:57.12 | Haris | yes, awe |
| 15:57.20 | FelipeSouza | What's the best place to search for sponsors? |
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| 15:57.31 | Nyle | !debain-mentors |
| 15:57.33 | Nyle | maybe? |
| 15:57.33 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i know you can. so feel free to ban me if you want me to not do what i feel is better than the alternative. no offence, i just feel better that way. |
| 15:57.36 | Maulkin | FelipeSouza: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
| 15:57.41 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i altered it |
| 15:57.43 | Nyle | #debain-mentors |
| 15:57.44 | donald_ | bye guys.. more fine tuning to get Lenny the way i like it |
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| 15:57.49 | Nyle | hey |
| 15:57.50 | Nyle | !ati |
| 15:57.51 | dpkg | from memory, ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. |
| 15:57.56 | Nyle | make sure this factoid is correct |
| 15:57.57 | Nyle | thanks |
| 15:58.05 | ramu | jetscreamer, from this page im not getting any info |
| 15:58.06 | Nyle | Maulkin: thank you :) |
| 15:58.06 | madclicker | hark, why would this happen? |
| 15:58.14 | simonrvn | Nyle: make sure you type "debian" properly ;) |
| 15:58.26 | Nyle | sorry |
| 15:58.27 | Haris | awe = shock |
| 15:58.30 | Nyle | sloppy fingers |
| 15:58.44 | Nyle | but make sure I modified the factoid for !ati and is correct |
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| 15:58.51 | Nyle | to the best of my knowledge |
| 15:58.52 | Nyle | thanks |
| 15:58.54 | jetscreamer | abrotman: could you please take off or move the , , it's messing with clicking the link |
| 15:59.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: use your bot-fu! |
| 15:59.04 | FelipeSouza | Maulkin, Nyle, ok thx |
| 15:59.29 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you know ... |
| 15:59.29 | abrotman | done |
| 15:59.30 | Haris | fighting over bots again? |
| 15:59.34 | jetscreamer | my bot-fu sucks with the =s/blah/foo/ |
| 15:59.42 | Haris | How predictive :| |
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| 15:59.53 | Haris | predictable+ |
| 15:59.54 | Nyle | jetscreamer: s/// |
| 15:59.57 | simonrvn | factoid =~ s,foo,bar, |
| 16:00.02 | Nyle | X =~ s/A/B/ |
| 16:00.05 | dirk__ | azeem, users:x:100: |
| 16:00.09 | Nyle | simonrvn: / |
| 16:00.19 | Maulkin | jetscreamer: fix your link clicker? |
| 16:00.22 | gridl0ck | what's the fastest way to check to see what was updated on the last 3 updates of an apt-get/aptitude ? |
| 16:00.25 | simonrvn | doesn't matter the separator |
| 16:00.27 | jetscreamer | ramu: take the , off the end of the url, somebody's editing skills aren't the best |
| 16:00.30 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:00.34 | Nyle | ok |
| 16:00.38 | stew | dirk__: i think he meant for you to substitude your username for "user" like "... grep dirk" or whatever |
| 16:00.48 | simonrvn | just like perl grep or sed or ... |
| 16:01.00 | gridl0ck | my xorg is peaking at 100% and i reinstalled it with the same results |
| 16:01.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's been fixed |
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| 16:01.03 | dirk__ | ok :) |
| 16:01.08 | hark | madclicker: not sure, seems to some bug with apt |
| 16:01.15 | Nyle | simonrvn: I see |
| 16:01.17 | jetscreamer | thanks dude |
| 16:01.23 | Nyle | simonrvn: I was about to ask jetscreamer if he knew sed |
| 16:01.24 | Nyle | heh |
| 16:01.24 | abrotman | and he had it before i changed it |
| 16:01.47 | jetscreamer | Nyle: my sed/bash/perl-fu also sucks ass |
| 16:01.58 | Nyle | jetscreamer: perl pi/e |
| 16:02.01 | Nyle | perl pie |
| 16:02.02 | Nyle | ;) |
| 16:02.12 | enveezee | badcfe_: afaik $(cc) and cc are the same thing |
| 16:02.22 | Nyle | get it, perl -pi -e s/// |
| 16:02.24 | stew | grendal_prime: i'm not sure i'm following, but if i were you, i'd consider using a separate runlevel for whatever this is you are doing |
| 16:02.25 | jetscreamer | o duh |
| 16:02.26 | Nyle | nm |
| 16:02.28 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:02.39 | enveezee | all $() does is executes a command |
| 16:02.41 | jetscreamer | it's my dns thing and the fqdn |
| 16:05.14 | Nyle | 5 more days to go |
| 16:06.05 | stew | 4 more hours to go |
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| 16:06.24 | Nyle | word |
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| 16:07.03 | LimCore | what sound card should I buy to record sound? |
| 16:07.11 | LimCore | becuse intell something fails totally with alsa |
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| 16:07.33 | stew | LimCore: in what way does intel fail? |
| 16:07.36 | SlayerXP | LimCore: I recommend buying one that's not on fire. |
| 16:07.55 | Nyle | sb sounds are good |
| 16:08.02 | Nyle | you really shouldn't use onboard |
| 16:08.04 | LimCore | stew: arecord records nothing (actually it do not give ANY output, not only all zeros) |
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| 16:08.25 | Nyle | LimCore: but it depends heavily on the quality you wish to recieve coupled with your budget |
| 16:08.30 | stew | LimCore: can you show us the output of 'amixer' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:08.39 | Nyle | and how much you care about the sound |
| 16:08.52 | LimCore | Nyle: it can be freaking 8 bit 11Hz mono, as long as I do not need to listen to more of technical mumbojumbo, I need it to Just Work |
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| 16:09.11 | Nyle | LimCore: like I said, depends on what you are trying to record |
| 16:09.23 | Nyle | I do music. You just want to record ... not music? |
| 16:09.28 | LimCore | stew: I dont have this box now (tommorow perhaps?) but I am sure sound mixers are ok |
| 16:09.40 | LimCore | Nyle: record the sound from microphone |
| 16:09.44 | Nyle | I see |
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| 16:09.52 | Nyle | yeh onboard is perfect. |
| 16:10.00 | Arelis | Hi everybody. I'm thinking about trying Debian. I want it to be "rolling release", that is, constantly updating. But still stable. What release must i pick for that? |
| 16:10.04 | stew | LimCore: then i'd recommend trying a newer alsa version |
| 16:10.07 | stew | !new alsa |
| 16:10.07 | dpkg | it has been said that new alsa is to compile newer alsa drivers for your running kernel: first download an alsa-source .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/alsa-source/download ; install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant build-essential ; m-a -t a-i alsa" ; you will need to reload your alsa drivers for the new ones to take effect. also ask me about <alsa checklist> |
| 16:10.20 | amphi | Arelis: testing is probably what you want |
| 16:10.28 | Nyle | Arelis: test... kick amphi |
| 16:10.31 | Arelis | !testing |
| 16:10.31 | dpkg | i heard testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages |
| 16:10.38 | amphi | Arelis: but things will break occasionally |
| 16:10.46 | amphi | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 16:10.46 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:10.49 | Arelis | amphi: and if i don't want it to break? |
| 16:10.51 | Nyle | oh god not you too |
| 16:10.52 | Nyle | :( |
| 16:10.58 | amphi | heh |
| 16:11.16 | ramu | jetscreamer, that page is not helpful |
| 16:11.17 | amphi | Nyle: are you frequently penixstricken? |
| 16:11.23 | Nyle | its sick. |
| 16:11.25 | Nyle | lol |
| 16:11.39 | ramu | jetscreamer, you just tell me how to mount the squashfs files |
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| 16:11.52 | Nyle | sounds like someone sat on my file system |
| 16:11.55 | Nyle | hahah nm |
| 16:12.00 | jetscreamer | ramu: oh i thought you were the nvidia dude...oops |
| 16:12.04 | dirk__ | azeem, http://paste.debian.net/50660 |
| 16:12.17 | Haris | talking of nvidia, nvidia opened about 400 jobs recently |
| 16:12.17 | jetscreamer | eth01: ... BUDDY!!! |
| 16:12.26 | Haris | is that true? |
| 16:12.30 | ramu | jetscreamer, no |
| 16:12.37 | Nyle | Haris: offtopic |
| 16:12.49 | ramu | jetscreamer, i am facing the problem of mounting the filesystem |
| 16:12.51 | jetscreamer | Haris: some nvidia dev's hang in #nvidia |
| 16:13.03 | amphi | Nyle: taking hypocrisy to new levels? ;) |
| 16:13.09 | Nyle | you know it |
| 16:13.16 | ramu | jetscreamer, which is of type squashfs |
| 16:13.19 | Nyle | so anyway I was fucking my gf the other day and.. |
| 16:13.23 | jetscreamer | ramu: apt-get install the fuse module for squashfs and use fusermount instead of mount, iirc |
| 16:13.23 | Nyle | lol j/k |
| 16:13.28 | jetscreamer | !squashfs |
| 16:13.29 | dpkg | squashfs is, like, a compressed read-only filesystem for Linux. Squashfs is intended for general read-only filesystem use, for archival use (i.e. in cases where a .tar.gz file may be used), and in constrained block device/memory systems (e.g. embedded systems) where low overhead is needed. The filesystem is currently stable, and has been tested on PowerPC, i586, Sparc and ARM architectures. |
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| 16:13.41 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 16:14.07 | jetscreamer | ok enough fqdn |
| 16:14.26 | Nyle | alright |
| 16:14.32 | Nyle | enough dickin around |
| 16:14.53 | azeem | dirk__: ok, so no root there |
| 16:15.30 | ramu | jetscreamer, tell me the exact package name |
| 16:15.34 | azeem | dirk__: in general don't make users sysadmins - use sudo or su to become root temporarily for doing admin stuff |
| 16:16.19 | waspius | is there a command that lets u know if 3d acceleration is enabled? |
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| 16:16.34 | dirk__ | azeem, ok, I don't do that |
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| 16:17.02 | dirk__ | azeem, what about the solution now? |
| 16:17.18 | Arelis | amphi: and if i don't want it to break? |
| 16:17.46 | azeem | dirk__: I suggest to remove the user and create a new one, yeah |
| 16:18.05 | waspius | ? |
| 16:18.12 | Nyle | waspius: yes |
| 16:18.16 | Nyle | waspius: would you like to know it? |
| 16:18.19 | amphi | Arelis: use stable |
| 16:18.22 | azeem | waspius: glxinfo | Ã…grep irect |
| 16:18.23 | dirk__ | ok, how do I add one on a good way and remove the former? |
| 16:18.24 | waspius | not really |
| 16:18.27 | waspius | :P |
| 16:18.31 | Nyle | waspius: install mesa-utils and try gxlinfo |grep dir |
| 16:18.34 | amphi | Arelis: which doesn't change between releases |
| 16:18.35 | azeem | dirk__: see deluser/adduser |
| 16:18.36 | Nyle | glxinfo* |
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| 16:18.38 | waspius | thanx |
| 16:18.51 | ramu | please tell me to mount the squashfs filesystem |
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| 16:19.16 | dirk__ | azeem, but how can a new user become root? |
| 16:19.18 | Nyle | azeem: still kinda drunk on the keyboard I see ;) |
| 16:19.30 | azeem | dirk__: 17:14 < azeem> dirk__: in general don't make users sysadmins - use sudo or su to become root temporarily for doing admin stuff |
| 16:19.33 | Arelis | amphi: but it has poor support for my hardware |
| 16:19.50 | amphi | Arelis: *sigh* so use testing |
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| 16:20.06 | amphi | Arelis: it rarely breaks in my experience |
| 16:20.11 | drwahl | is there any way to allow 2 keyboards and 2 mice to be hooked up to a single computer, and allow each set of input devices to control a seperate monitor (vid card with dual monitors). that way, i could have a single computer, but 2 sets of input devices, and two people able to interact with the single computer at the same time? |
| 16:20.15 | jetscreamer | kmuto |
| 16:20.16 | dashs | auth query: must caller of PAM be UID 0? |
| 16:20.17 | subsume|work | dirk__: "sudo passwd" |
| 16:20.19 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 16:20.20 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:20.24 | Arelis | amphi: and when it does break, is it easy to repair? |
| 16:20.25 | azeem | subsume|work: what? |
| 16:20.32 | subsume|work | oh, nvm |
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| 16:20.50 | Arelis | jetscreamer: poor support for my video card too. |
| 16:20.53 | jetscreamer | Arelis: kmuto |
| 16:21.04 | Arelis | jetscreamer: "radeon" driver |
| 16:21.07 | jetscreamer | they'll all have poor support for you video card |
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| 16:21.16 | enouf | drwahl: kind of like having two people play the same piano at the same time? |
| 16:21.22 | jetscreamer | you probably didn't load the dri modules anyway |
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| 16:21.34 | drwahl | enouf: i guess. i was thinking more like LTSP, whithout the thin clients... |
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| 16:21.54 | jetscreamer | Arelis: kernel has nothing to do with that, for the most part |
| 16:21.56 | amphi | Arelis: often you wait; for example, an update to libgl1-mesa-glx broke some compiz functionality; teemporary solution was to downgrade the package, until the next update, which fixed the problem |
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| 16:22.18 | enouf | drwahl: erm, maybe look into screen's mutliuser functionality, otherwise you might need multiple Xservers, one for each - don't know ltsp |
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| 16:22.30 | UserReg_CL | hi... have 4.0r3 debian and need install QoS for VoIP ... need info.... very thank |
| 16:22.39 | waspius | great stll nothing..i am doing something wrong |
| 16:22.45 | a3aa | hi, how can i patch the normal diffs? |
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| 16:23.11 | Arelis | amphi: and downgrading is easy? |
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| 16:23.21 | madclicker | hi, is there an easy way to setup KDE and Xorg on a base system, similar to rpm "kde-common"? |
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| 16:23.56 | dirk__ | how do I add a new user on the right way? just adduser user? |
| 16:23.57 | enouf | madclicker: yep |
| 16:24.06 | enouf | madclicker: tasksel, kde-desktop |
| 16:24.11 | Arelis | amphi: I have specific things that i want to be up-to-date though. I want the newest GNOME (or KDE), and the newest Radeon drivers. And maybe the newest kernel, for tablet support. |
| 16:24.16 | amphi | Arelis: it was in that case |
| 16:24.50 | enouf | madclicker: from boot prompt, you could do installgui tasks=standard,kde-desktop |
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| 16:25.41 | enouf | madclicker: if you're looking for some variant thereof, try /msg dpkg install kde |
| 16:26.54 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 16:27.01 | jetscreamer | Arelis: you better run experimental then... |
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| 16:27.44 | jetscreamer | hola sChaaa, mi amigo, como esta usted!!! |
| 16:28.08 | jetscreamer | bienvenidos al #debian !!! |
| 16:28.22 | sChaaa | :) i'm french :) |
| 16:28.26 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 16:28.27 | azeem | jetscreamer: this is an english chan |
| 16:28.29 | lastnode | kohomada? |
| 16:28.41 | Arelis | jetscreamer: "experimental"? |
| 16:28.54 | sChaaa | :)) |
| 16:29.06 | jetscreamer | Arelis: yeah... kinda like experimental drugs not fda approved... |
| 16:29.07 | sChaaa | but muy bien amigo jetscreamer ! |
| 16:29.26 | jetscreamer | wilkommen ... :p |
| 16:29.32 | jetscreamer | j/k |
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| 16:30.35 | jetscreamer | Arelis: you know, the no telling what can happen kind |
| 16:31.07 | jetscreamer | Arelis: seriously, testing best for you then |
| 16:31.08 | Arelis | jetscreamer: don't want that |
| 16:31.14 | Arelis | jetscreamer: testing? mmkay. |
| 16:31.48 | sChaaa | some users of kvm here ? |
| 16:32.12 | stew | sChaaa: just assume there are and ask your real question |
| 16:32.31 | Arelis | mmmmmkay |
| 16:32.35 | sChaaa | :) |
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| 16:32.43 | Arelis | jetscreamer: how can i get testing? |
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| 16:32.58 | jetscreamer | !etch->testing |
| 16:33.05 | do_guh_new | A+ |
| 16:33.08 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 16:33.09 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 16:33.17 | jetscreamer | !etch->lenny |
| 16:33.17 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs> and <release notes>, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 16:33.26 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 16:33.26 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 16:33.30 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 16:33.30 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 16:33.35 | jetscreamer | take your pick |
| 16:33.59 | sChaaa | succed virtualisation with kvm with all os -vista: allways crashing on the user lanching |
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| 16:35.07 | Arelis | jetscreamer: I'd like to download an ISO with Debian Testing, as i have Ubuntu installed right now, and i'm not going to install Debian on the same harddrive that Windows is on |
| 16:35.26 | jetscreamer | the third option |
| 16:35.54 | a3aa | hi, how can i patch normal diffs? (like http://www.pastebin.ca/932242) |
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| 16:36.41 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:37.42 | jetscreamer | does anybody know how i can get xp to quit giving root 'access denied' on certain files when i try to cp -a an xp installation? |
| 16:37.52 | jetscreamer | how is windows denying root? |
| 16:38.02 | keith4_ | if I bring up an ethernet alias, perhaps eth0:0, and change the MAC address of it... it changes for eth0 as well. Is there a way to bring up a fake eth1 that is actually the same hardware as eth0? |
| 16:38.05 | jetscreamer | not even running |
| 16:38.08 | do_guh_new | windows denies a lot of things |
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| 16:38.15 | jetscreamer | it's a posix permission i would imagine |
| 16:38.21 | keith4_ | sort of like how vmware does virtual ethernet, I guess...? |
| 16:38.22 | jetscreamer | but how to get around it |
| 16:38.26 | azeem | jetscreamer: chmod |
| 16:38.38 | bulio | I'm having a bit of a problem. I migrated a website from 1 server to another, and on the new server the site won't show all UTF-8 characters properly |
| 16:38.43 | bulio | it replaces them with a ? |
| 16:38.51 | bulio | what might be causing this problem? |
| 16:39.16 | do_guh_new | http://heath.hrsoftworks.net/archives/000076.html |
| 16:39.27 | do_guh_new | that will help with your UTF question marks |
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| 16:40.22 | jetscreamer | azeem: any idea if that will break the windows, once i get it copied? cp -a works just fine with w2k, xp is weird |
| 16:40.31 | azeem | jetscreamer: no |
| 16:40.35 | azeem | ... idea |
| 16:40.48 | bulio | do_guh_new: doesn't really explain much |
| 16:41.22 | jetscreamer | i was hoping for a cp -a --copy-everything-anyway or something :/ |
| 16:41.33 | stew | bulio: are the characters coming from .html files? or being generated by uhh php? or coming from a mysql database? or what? |
| 16:41.40 | madclicker | enouf, thank you |
| 16:41.41 | jetscreamer | i'll test on a throwdown |
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| 16:43.04 | stew | bulio: and is there a url we could view? |
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| 16:43.36 | jetscreamer | i get called bulio in r/l sometimes |
| 16:43.39 | madclicker | enouf, "-bash: installgui: command not found" |
| 16:43.44 | jetscreamer | wtf does it mean, anyway |
| 16:43.55 | jetscreamer | waro and gringo i'm up on |
| 16:43.57 | madclicker | enouf, but i got tasksel installed |
| 16:44.14 | jetscreamer | tasksel selections suck ass |
| 16:44.52 | stew | madclicker: tasksel install kde-desktop |
| 16:44.54 | enouf | madclicker: that installgui is meant from the boot prompt for the debian installer only - but man taskel |
| 16:45.00 | ignu | I've been reading man-pages and googling - making precious little progress ... can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 16:45.02 | ignu | How do I figure out my gnome-keyring password? Neither root nor my user p/w's work |
| 16:45.07 | bulio | stew: joomla, so PHP |
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| 16:45.47 | madclicker | enouf, got it, I have the base system already installed, so I will try tasksel. Thanks again |
| 16:45.54 | enouf | sure, np |
| 16:46.07 | jetscreamer | why not just apt-get install kde |
| 16:46.21 | Nyle | why install kde? |
| 16:46.34 | jetscreamer | i9 thought he was trying for something kde-ish |
| 16:46.36 | Nyle | !install kde |
| 16:46.36 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 16:46.53 | Arelis | jetscreamer: what must i pick from the debian-installer? |
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| 16:47.15 | stew | jetscreamer: becuase he also needs x. and its better if he uses aptitude |
| 16:47.16 | jetscreamer | define 'pick', and the choices |
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| 16:47.29 | jetscreamer | add xorg change apt-get to aptitude |
| 16:47.47 | bulio | I tried making the database UTF-8, didnt work |
| 16:48.00 | stew | bulio: so the characters are coming from a database? |
| 16:48.14 | bulio | http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8531/72010763ru9.png |
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| 16:48.56 | zamba | tool for splitting a big file into smaller pieces? |
| 16:49.04 | SerajewelKS | bulio: the database and connection both need to be utf-8 |
| 16:49.07 | stew | zamba: split |
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| 16:49.24 | Arelis | is it better to first install Debian Stable then upgrade that to testing, OR to install Debian Testing directly? |
| 16:49.29 | SerajewelKS | bulio: and making the database utf-8 won't magically make any ?'s turn into what they should be -- you need to re-enter/import the data |
| 16:49.36 | zamba | oh, cool |
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| 16:49.43 | stew | SerajewelKS: maybe |
| 16:49.47 | SerajewelKS | Arelis: install testing |
| 16:49.48 | RyanRyan52 | Arelis: for now, table first |
| 16:49.50 | bulio | ArelisL I'd say install testing |
| 16:49.55 | Kauhsa | :D |
| 16:50.02 | SerajewelKS | Arelis: assuming your goal is to install testing |
| 16:50.10 | Arelis | SerajewelKS: with what? |
| 16:50.11 | SerajewelKS | Arelis: if you goal is to try stable first then install stable :) |
| 16:50.19 | SerajewelKS | Arelis: the netinst |
| 16:50.30 | Arelis | SerajewelKS: nope stable is too out-of-date and doesn't work well with my hardware |
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| 16:50.41 | RyanRyan52 | **can't |
| 16:50.45 | stew | Arelis: the testing installer is beta. if it works it will acheive the same result faster. if it doesn't work, it wont |
| 16:50.51 | SerajewelKS | Arelis: there is a testing netinst, and from the regular netinst you can select stable/testing/unstable in expert mode |
| 16:50.51 | XLV | i have a file server, with 3 sata 250GB hdds, i have installed raid5 and lvm on top of raid5 volume, layout is as follows, on each disks there are 4 partitions, first 256MB boot, second 1GB swap, 3rd 20GB root, 4th the rest, and i raid1 with 1 partition spare the first 3 partitions ( boot, swap, root ) and raid5 the 4th partitions on each hdd, on top of that raid5 volume lies the lvm.. anyone care to comment about possible loss of perform |
| 16:50.51 | XLV | ance cause hdds' heads have to travel back and forth between swap ( most of the times ) and root and raid5 volume? |
| 16:51.12 | stew | Arelis: you can run a newer kernel on stable. backports.org provides newer kernel packages |
| 16:51.46 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: testing has a history of being non-well-supported in a stable installer |
| 16:51.48 | bulio | why would question marks appear in the data if it was fine on the other server, and I backed that up |
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| 16:52.13 | stew | bulio: where is the data coming from? a text file? a database? |
| 16:52.18 | jetscreamer | stew: he didn't want a kmuto |
| 16:52.22 | jetscreamer | all i know |
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| 16:53.06 | bulio | stew: I assume a database. I did mysqldump on a database, imported it on new server, then copied over all the php files |
| 16:53.10 | Arelis | stew: does it also provide a new KDE? |
| 16:53.11 | stew | XLV: loss of performance compared to what? |
| 16:53.12 | bulio | I use a CMS called joomla |
| 16:53.30 | Arelis | stew: (KDE 3.5.9) |
| 16:53.36 | XLV | stew, compared to boot, swap and root on separate hdd from the 3 hdds that form the raid5 |
| 16:53.38 | stew | bulio: you exported from a UTF8 encoded database then imported it into a mysql database with what character encoding? |
| 16:53.58 | valdyn | XLV: what is that machine used for? |
| 16:54.06 | valdyn | XLV: does application startup time matter? |
| 16:54.11 | stew | Arelis: what about it? |
| 16:54.19 | XLV | valdyn, home file server |
| 16:54.23 | Arelis | stew: does it also provide a new KDE? |
| 16:54.28 | bulio | stew: I created a database with UTF-8 character encoding, then imported the existing database to that |
| 16:54.28 | XLV | valdyn, absolute performance isnt critical |
| 16:54.38 | stew | XLV: there is no way of knowing how far the heads have to travel with LVM, becuase you dont' know where the data is stored using LVM |
| 16:54.43 | valdyn | XLV: that means that your / wont be used to slow down the raid5 |
| 16:54.47 | bulio | stew: the database.sql file is encoded in UTF8 without BOM |
| 16:54.58 | valdyn | XLV: and /boot obviously isnt used either |
| 16:55.21 | valdyn | XLV: the only competition for disk is between your swap and the raid5, if swap is even used |
| 16:55.23 | stew | Arelis: i don't know. packages.debian.org would tell you |
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| 16:56.24 | daniel_John | what would cause the the back and forward button on iceweasel to be blanked out. Ive asked in #Firefox |
| 16:56.36 | XLV | valdyn, true.. swap i dont think its used much ( 2GB ram on it ).. care to comment on what other dirs ( i mean /etc, /var etc ) should l leave on the raid1 array where /root lies, and what should go into /raid5-lvm? |
| 16:56.43 | Nyle | daniel_John: if there is nowhere to go |
| 16:56.45 | Nyle | daniel_John: ... |
| 16:56.53 | valdyn | XLV: they are not used much at all if its a fileserver |
| 16:56.55 | themill | bulio: are you *sure* the sql file is utf-8? And when you import it into the db, do you use a UTF-8 connection? and are the columns utf-8? and is the php (or whatever) talking to the db over a utf-8 connection? and is the page or webserver setting the encoding of the page to be utf-8? Having any of these wrong will give you what you see. |
| 16:57.07 | valdyn | XLV: they could aswell be on a floppy and you wouldnt really notice after startup |
| 16:57.21 | daniel_John | Nyle nah ive got a history it just dont show |
| 16:57.25 | XLV | valdyn, it may run some services, bt, ed2k, apache |
| 16:57.33 | bulio | themill: how can I be sure? Notepad++ says that it is encoded in ANSI with UTF-8 without BOM |
| 16:57.34 | Nyle | daniel_John: check the bts? |
| 16:57.43 | XLV | valdyn, primary usage is file serving though |
| 16:57.44 | Nyle | daniel_John: which debian version? |
| 16:57.44 | valdyn | XLV: once they are started, they only access their data directories basically |
| 16:57.58 | daniel_John | Nyle etch |
| 16:58.08 | Nyle | weird |
| 16:58.19 | Nyle | restart iceweasel |
| 16:58.27 | XLV | valdyn, so i guess /home goes into /raid5-lvm, rest on /raid1-root? |
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| 16:58.46 | daniel_John | Nyle yeah ive tried all the obvious , new profiles , disabled extensions |
| 16:58.51 | Arelis | so.. i can use Debian Stable, with the newest ATI drivers (they provide Compiz), and support for my tablet? |
| 16:58.51 | stew | bulio: do something like "select something from sometable into outfile '/tmp/somefile'" in mysql, then look at /tmp/somefile with hexdump and see if its actually UTF8 encoded |
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| 16:58.56 | valdyn | XLV: where are you putting those files you are going to serve? |
| 16:58.57 | Nyle | daniel_John: safe mode? |
| 16:59.04 | valdyn | XLV: /home ? |
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| 16:59.07 | themill | bulio: I don't see how ANSI and UTF-8 are compatible statements... they are both encodings and they are different. |
| 16:59.09 | daniel_John | firefox safe mode ? |
| 16:59.13 | Nyle | yes |
| 16:59.17 | XLV | valdyn, in other dirs in /raid5-lvm, not in home |
| 16:59.30 | daniel_John | nyle how do i do that ? |
| 16:59.40 | Nyle | read man iceweasel |
| 16:59.45 | valdyn | XLV: what is going to be in /home then? |
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| 16:59.46 | stew | themill: are you suprised that notepad++ is not doing proper analysis? :) |
| 16:59.50 | drwahl | is there a webpage that i can search that has dpkgs factoids? |
| 16:59.59 | opensrcguru | anyone know where the motif libs went for etch? |
| 16:59.59 | stew | drwahl: dpkg.vireo.org |
| 17:00.10 | XLV | valdyn, only data of users |
| 17:00.11 | drwahl | stew: ty |
| 17:00.19 | stew | opensrcguru: lesstif? |
| 17:00.21 | themill | stew: it's a nice tool, but not the one of choice for such things... |
| 17:00.31 | themill | bulio: for more hints, /msg dpkg mysql utf8 |
| 17:00.35 | smacnay | Is installing nvidia drivers still done with the nvidia packages in Debian or is it now considered ok to use the bin packages from nvidia? |
| 17:00.39 | XLV | valdyn, but many apps run as low-priviledge users got .dirs in /home |
| 17:00.45 | bulio | themill: http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7982/92513463fo3.jpg |
| 17:00.50 | Arelis | stew: can I use Debian Stable, with the newest ATI drivers (they provide Compiz), and support for my tablet? (and KDE 3.5.9) |
| 17:00.52 | smacnay | I just noticed that the nvidia driver has not been updated in ages here. |
| 17:01.10 | opensrcguru | stew: more like libXm and such |
| 17:01.15 | Nyle | Arelis: yes |
| 17:01.35 | opensrcguru | stew: or openmotif/libmotif3 |
| 17:01.35 | Nyle | Arelis: though... it will be difficult considering you have to ask about it ;) |
| 17:01.43 | drwahl | can anyone point me to documentation that may assist me in starting up multiple xsessions on multiple monitors? |
| 17:01.43 | valdyn | XLV: i would put it all in the raid5 probably |
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| 17:01.59 | Arelis | Nyle: I am wholly new to debian. NEVER used it longer than 3 days |
| 17:01.59 | themill | bulio: I'd interpret that as saying "If I use utf-8, then don't use a BOM", but in this case, use ANSI. Note the entry just under ANSI. |
| 17:02.02 | Nyle | drwahl: I have been looking for one too |
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| 17:02.11 | Arelis | Nyle: but i've been using ubuntu for like 3 years |
| 17:02.20 | Arelis | well.. make that one year |
| 17:02.32 | Nyle | Arelis: you may not have a good time with debian stable then |
| 17:02.40 | Nyle | but its ok, its easy enough to isntall ati |
| 17:02.46 | Nyle | and use backports you'll be fine |
| 17:03.00 | XLV | valdyn, so /home in raid5.. /var, /etc, ? |
| 17:03.11 | stew | opensrcguru: it doesn't look like it was ever in etch: http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openmotif.html |
| 17:03.18 | XLV | well not /etc, its only read at startup of app |
| 17:03.18 | drwahl | Nyle: maybe we are after a similar thing here. my desired end result would be one computer with 2 keyboards/mouse/monitors that can allow 2 people to use the single computer at the same time. |
| 17:03.23 | valdyn | XLV: /etc is irrelevant for performance |
| 17:03.29 | daniel_John | nyle yeah safe mode resolves the issue |
| 17:03.32 | valdyn | XLV: so whereever you got free space |
| 17:03.36 | Nyle | drwahl: I had it setup so doing startx starts X but :0.0 is XDMCP kdm from laptop on local Xserver, while :0.1 is my local X clients |
| 17:03.41 | XLV | so its not needed, but /var, or /tmp |
| 17:03.42 | XLV | ? |
| 17:03.47 | bulio | themill: so I delete the database, then what |
| 17:03.49 | Nyle | daniel_John: read what safe mode did |
| 17:03.54 | stew | Arelis: i'm not the one to ask about non-free software |
| 17:03.55 | valdyn | XLV: /var contains /var/www, where your webserver defaults to |
| 17:03.56 | Arelis | Nyle: i remember previous times i had issues with screen resolution and video card drivers. |
| 17:04.15 | daniel_John | nyle read the debuging output? |
| 17:04.19 | Nyle | yessir |
| 17:04.29 | Nyle | it must be an extension |
| 17:04.34 | valdyn | XLV: you shouldnt be using /tmp for anything performance critical either, as i see |
| 17:04.41 | Nyle | or something I don't know |
| 17:04.54 | Nyle | I use Konqueror mostly, and iceweasel only if konq. fails to render |
| 17:05.01 | Nyle | KDE FTW! |
| 17:05.26 | Nyle | drwahl: that I don't know how to setup |
| 17:05.29 | ttyS1 | what should I use to connect to a cisco router form Debain ? |
| 17:05.38 | chops | valdyn: FWIW, I've seen non-free apps (p4p from Perforce) which hammered /tmp. I got a big speedup from putting /tmp on a tmpfs. |
| 17:05.38 | abrotman | minicom or kermit |
| 17:05.39 | Nyle | drwahl: I did something diff with my setup |
| 17:05.43 | ttyS1 | to the console port I mean |
| 17:05.45 | themill | bulio: at 5minutes past beer o'clock on a friday, I'm not going to hand hold you through this. Sorry. Check that factoid and make sure each of those checkpoints are addressed. |
| 17:05.46 | abrotman | assuming you mean serial |
| 17:05.48 | stew | ttyS1: a cisco console cable and minicom |
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| 17:06.06 | stew | themill: happy friday |
| 17:06.12 | themill | :) |
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| 17:06.26 | Nyle | everyday is friday |
| 17:06.31 | valdyn | XLV: i would optimise for space, not speed, as far as i can understand your load |
| 17:06.35 | Nyle | Fry Day ;) |
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| 17:06.41 | themill | Nyle: no, normally they're sunday.... |
| 17:06.44 | valdyn | XLV: it being a home file server |
| 17:06.47 | Nyle | themill: nm |
| 17:06.50 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:07.01 | bolt | I am making a script to tar my entire system together and store it on a server for backup. Which root directories are automatically generated on boot and stupid to back up? /sys? /proc? others? |
| 17:07.42 | Justin | bolt: there are plenty of existing well written backup programs. use one of those |
| 17:08.14 | chops | bolt: Don't try to exclude things; better to just pick filesystems. Someday you'll get /selinux and miss it (and so on) |
| 17:08.23 | XLV | valdyn, yeah.. performance difference should be minimal if any... i will leave setup as is, all in same raid1 where / is, and raid5 as storage space |
| 17:08.27 | stew | bolt: /sys /proc /dev /tmp /var/run /var/cache ; generally /usr besides /usr/local should be able to be reconstructed without a backup |
| 17:08.30 | chops | bolt: I.e. use tar -x (IIRC) and list explicitly the filesystems that you want to back up |
| 17:08.40 | Arelis | stew: my video card works fine with the Open-source drivers however i get poor performance in games like nexuiz but my video card is old but performs better with the ATI drivers but i think i should go for the open-source ones |
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| 17:09.12 | Nyle | Arelis: punctuation dude! |
| 17:09.13 | Nyle | wow |
| 17:09.32 | themill | Nyle: pot, kettle, black |
| 17:09.50 | jetscreamer | die kde die |
| 17:09.53 | jetscreamer | die gnome die |
| 17:09.56 | stew | <Nyle> dude, i already looked in the kettle, there's none left in there |
| 17:10.02 | bolt | Justin: i don't want some advanced backup solution with scheduling and lots of configuration and whatnot. i just want tar. it's a laptop, so i want to run the script manually when I'm connected and have time. |
| 17:10.04 | Nyle | what? |
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| 17:10.14 | Nyle | twilight zone here over yonder |
| 17:10.24 | Nyle | :/ /me scratches head |
| 17:10.29 | jetscreamer | no pot in the kettle... |
| 17:10.36 | valdyn | bolt: and you want to be handheld to not fuck up permissions or backup the wrong stuff or forget the wrong stuff |
| 17:10.37 | jetscreamer | !lart nyle |
| 17:10.43 | kakashi_ | how do I get glut packages with apt-get |
| 17:10.48 | Nyle | one time I put some pot in a potn and then this dude asked me, what you got in the pot, and I said pot. |
| 17:10.49 | jetscreamer | 9 pole?? |
| 17:10.50 | bolt | I'll pick the filesystems and exclude the dirs suggested, in addition to some which are only copies of stuff stored on my workstation. Thanks, guys :) |
| 17:10.55 | Nyle | anyway |
| 17:10.57 | valdyn | bolt: not all backup solutions are hard to use |
| 17:11.01 | Nyle | koma: glut? |
| 17:11.06 | Nyle | kakashi_: * |
| 17:11.07 | jetscreamer | yes, glut |
| 17:11.17 | jetscreamer | !find glut |
| 17:11.17 | Nyle | !glut |
| 17:11.17 | dpkg | it has been said that glut is the openGL Utility Toolkit, used to create simple openGL apps, which are portable between win32 and X11. Provides support for window management, menus and input devices |
| 17:11.18 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'glut' (14): celestia-glut ;; freeglut3 ;; freeglut3-dbg ;; freeglut3-dev ;; glut-doc ;; glutg3 ;; glutg3-dev ;; libghc6-glut-dev ;; libghc6-glut-doc ;; libghc6-glut-prof ;; libglut3 ;; libglut3-dev ;; libhugs-glut-bundled ;; libtaoframework-freeglut2.4-cil. |
| 17:11.21 | Nyle | oh |
| 17:11.37 | Nyle | !search |
| 17:11.37 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 17:11.41 | Nyle | seriously. |
| 17:11.48 | Arelis | Nyle: Okay. My video card works fine with the open-source drivers, however i get poor performancy in games like Nexuiz. My video card is old, but performs much better with the restricted ATI drivers, although i think i should go with the open-source ones to avoid problems |
| 17:11.52 | bolt | valdyn: I use exclusions for that exact reason. I wont forget anything I've not specifically chosen to forget. Anything new is included :) |
| 17:11.56 | ttyS1 | stew: I installed minicom but I don't get any prompt. is there a specific command I should use ? |
| 17:11.59 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search glut | grep something |
| 17:12.11 | themill | Nyle: Are you familiar with the phrase "pot calling the kettle black"? It's a bit like "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". So, you commented on the lack of punctuation in that line...just as we have often commented on your use of the enter key... :) |
| 17:12.14 | Nyle | Arelis: you want performance, and fglrx is ok. Its not as bad as people make it out to be |
| 17:12.17 | stew | ttyS1: how are you physically connected to the cisco? |
| 17:12.20 | bolt | valdyn: and run as root, the -p option for tar should take care of the permissions, methinks |
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| 17:12.40 | Nyle | Arelis: I game with fglrx on linux, and quite frankly other than specific bullshit needs like aiglx etc., it works fine enough for regular desktop use for normal people |
| 17:12.48 | Nyle | Arelis: for anal people yes, ati will always suck |
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| 17:12.53 | Nyle | e.g, me |
| 17:12.56 | Nyle | :/ |
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| 17:13.31 | ttyS1 | stew: I have the blue console cable conected to ttys0 COM1 |
| 17:14.04 | kakashi_ | Nyle, I actually want to work with the libraries of glut |
| 17:14.05 | kakashi_ | Nyle, I dont find any glut.h/gl.h in the /usr/include/ |
| 17:14.09 | kakashi_ | Nyle, infact not in any part of the computer |
| 17:14.11 | kakashi_ | Nyle, what I need is the freeglut-devel version |
| 17:14.21 | Nyle | yes, search glut|grep dev |
| 17:14.22 | Nyle | perhaps |
| 17:14.38 | Arelis | Nyle: Right now I am on an Ubuntu install with the newest ATI drivers, but they don't work and everything is slow as heck (but i know that the older ones DO work), so actually this Ubuntu install is, right now, not very usable. I am looking for an alternative to Ubuntu Hardy (the next Ubuntu release) and thought of Debian testing. |
| 17:14.38 | Nyle | !info libglut-dev |
| 17:14.40 | craigevil | kakashi_: apt-get install freeglut3-dev |
| 17:14.44 | stew | ttyS1: then it should just be a matter of getting the right port/settings in minicom, which iirc, you set with "control-a o" |
| 17:14.57 | Nyle | goddamn virtulas |
| 17:15.09 | stew | kakashi_: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:15.17 | craigevil | or glutg3-dev |
| 17:15.25 | Nyle | Arelis: debian is good |
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| 17:15.59 | Nyle | oops |
| 17:16.03 | Nyle | I searched on the wrong box |
| 17:16.12 | stew | Arelis: you should not expect the software in debian to perform differently than the same software from ubuntu. if you are switching to debian hoping that the same graphics drivers will be more performant, don't waste your time |
| 17:16.13 | Nyle | in lenny libglut is a virtual package w/e |
| 17:16.31 | Nyle | libglut-dev - blank |
| 17:16.36 | enouf | ttyS1: perhaps another option http://www.jls-info.com/julien/linux/ |
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| 17:17.56 | BenJay | can anyone point me in the direction of a channel that might be able to help with debian wireless connection on a latitude dell D610 - debian kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:18.05 | stew | BenJay: this channel |
| 17:18.16 | BenJay | can you help? |
| 17:18.18 | BenJay | starlein |
| 17:18.22 | BenJay | stew * |
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| 17:18.27 | stew | BenJay: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 17:19.05 | BenJay | help with debian wireless connection on a latitude dell D610 - debian kernel 2.6.18-4-686, i've tried building a couple of custom kernels and building the drivers, plus copying firmware - no joy |
| 17:19.24 | Nyle | BenJay: chipet? |
| 17:19.25 | Arelis | stew: No, because i'd get the latest updates and because i'd have choice, since i would like KDE instead of gnome |
| 17:19.28 | stew | BenJay: which wireless chipset? which drivers? |
| 17:19.51 | Arelis | stew: and Kubuntu is.... IMO, crap, but that's IMO |
| 17:20.03 | Nyle | it is also my opinion. |
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| 17:20.16 | jra | 1x die stunde, denk ich mal |
| 17:20.21 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:20.35 | do_guh_new | nur englisch bitte |
| 17:20.38 | wols_ | !de |
| 17:20.39 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 17:20.39 | stew | Arelis: ubuntu provides KDE, and newer ati drivers than debian testing |
| 17:20.41 | jra | (err) |
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| 17:21.13 | opensrcguru | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.15 | Nyle | kde was bent over and taken pretty badly by kubuntu |
| 17:21.27 | Nyle | so heavily patched up and changed and goofed around |
| 17:21.42 | Nyle | debian testing kde is 3.5.8 and its fantastic/clean |
| 17:21.52 | Nyle | 5.9 should be comeing soon |
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| 17:22.43 | enouf | nobody mentions kanotix anymore |
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| 17:22.48 | BenJay | Nyle stew good question - tell me how to get it - i'm using my linux box at the moment but the laptop is up and running |
| 17:22.49 | UserReg_CL | hi... need install iproute2 and run "apt-get install iproute" and Couldn't find package iproute2 ... ¿need compiled? |
| 17:22.51 | Nyle | #debian-kde for more info |
| 17:23.12 | Nyle | !install kde |
| 17:23.12 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 17:23.15 | Nyle | BenJay: ^^ |
| 17:23.15 | stew | UserReg_CL: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:23.20 | Nyle | if that is what you asked |
| 17:23.24 | timonator | hello there. can i make apt/dpkg pretend i had already installed a package, so that it won't fetch the one out of the sources when another program depends on it? |
| 17:23.27 | UserReg_CL | sorry |
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| 17:23.44 | stew | Nyle: i doubt installing kde is going to help him much with his wireless card |
| 17:23.50 | Nyle | oh |
| 17:23.59 | UserReg_CL | iproute2 is equal iproute (for install) ? |
| 17:24.00 | Nyle | yeh no idea what he asked but now i rememer |
| 17:24.02 | enouf | Nyle: i think you meant the laptop factoid ;-) |
| 17:24.10 | stew | UserReg_CL: yes |
| 17:24.19 | UserReg_CL | thank. |
| 17:24.22 | Nyle | I thought we were tlakina bout kde lol or i was i dunno im high |
| 17:24.23 | stew | BenJay: does "lspci" show a wireless card? |
| 17:24.23 | ttyS1 | enouf: that looks pretty good I see the Cisco prompt but a lot of lines go by and then i locks |
| 17:24.24 | Nyle | i should go eat |
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| 17:25.00 | stew | ttyS1: what do you mean by "i locks" |
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| 17:25.19 | enouf | BenJay: here's a slightly older install on a D620 http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/index.php/linux/debian-gnulinux-on-dell-d620 |
| 17:25.34 | Nyle | enouf: its in mexican or english? |
| 17:25.37 | Nyle | ;) |
| 17:25.58 | Arelis | is it best to go with Debian Stable, guys? |
| 17:26.05 | Nyle | not always |
| 17:26.07 | beardy | Arelis: Yes. |
| 17:26.12 | Roobarb | maybe |
| 17:26.20 | Nyle | depends on what you want and what your technical knowhow/skill is |
| 17:26.24 | beardy | !ifyhta |
| 17:26.29 | UserReg_CL | hi.. what need for install QoS in deb4.03 ? |
| 17:26.31 | enouf | BenJay: here's a 610 with many acpi and cpufreqd goodies, http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html |
| 17:26.38 | Nyle | though I do agree with beardy on that one |
| 17:26.39 | stew | UserReg_CL: iproute |
| 17:26.43 | Nyle | if you have to ask... |
| 17:26.43 | enouf | BenJay: possiblt dated , so note that |
| 17:26.49 | UserReg_CL | only iproute ? |
| 17:26.50 | enouf | possibly even |
| 17:27.09 | stew | UserReg_CL: yes, though you had to do the QoS by hand. you might want to look at the wondershaper package as well "apt-cache show wondershaper" |
| 17:27.16 | Arelis | Nyle: technical knowhow is... average on software, but i'm not experienced with hardware |
| 17:27.29 | UserReg_CL | stew: Thanks |
| 17:27.34 | enouf | BenJay: my bad, that's a C610, not a D610, oh well |
| 17:27.56 | beardy | Arelis: Go with stable, you will be pleased and happy. |
| 17:28.05 | BenJay | <Nyle> BenJay: ^^ ? |
| 17:28.05 | Arelis | beardy: and i can just use backports for newer software? |
| 17:28.08 | Nyle | ther will be much rejoiicing |
| 17:28.16 | Arelis | beardy: model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ <-- what image to download with that processor? |
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| 17:28.26 | stew | BenJay: ignore Nyle |
| 17:28.32 | beardy | Arelis: If there's something you need a newer version of, yes, in most cases. |
| 17:28.43 | Arelis | beardy: k |
| 17:28.52 | Nyle | BenJay: sorry I was thinking something totally diff when I told you about that |
| 17:28.53 | Arelis | and can i install adobe flash on debian? |
| 17:28.58 | Nyle | BenJay: nevermind me. |
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| 17:29.10 | beardy | Arelis: i386, if it isn't an amd64. |
| 17:29.18 | BenJay | Nyle ok |
| 17:29.20 | BenJay | enouf ok |
| 17:29.25 | BenJay | stewok |
| 17:29.29 | Nyle | lol |
| 17:29.30 | Arelis | in that case.. |
| 17:29.41 | Arelis | i have a CD lying here "Debian Etch i386 netinst" |
| 17:29.44 | jetscreamer | i386 |
| 17:29.47 | Arelis | should do, right? :) |
| 17:29.54 | beardy | Arelis: Yep. |
| 17:29.58 | jetscreamer | won't do testing Arelis |
| 17:30.15 | jetscreamer | won't install testing |
| 17:30.25 | jetscreamer | it will try |
| 17:30.27 | jetscreamer | but fail |
| 17:30.29 | beardy | He will install stable. |
| 17:30.49 | Nyle | poink |
| 17:31.09 | BenJay | enouf stew shows a whole raft raft of stuff - do you want me to grep for something specific |
| 17:31.30 | Nyle | cute |
| 17:31.37 | enouf | BenJay: /msg dpkg laptop .. and if you need specific help, pastebin info about your wireless Chipset and such, and mention which release of debian you are running, i do recall you mentioned 2.6.18-4-686, however, you also mentioned compiling kernels |
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| 17:32.03 | stew | BenJay: "grep -i wireless" or just show us the entire output: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:33.20 | nios | good evning, i have little problem with share my printer over samba, can anyone be nice and check my little simple smb.conf -> http://pastebin.com/m47417dd6 |
| 17:33.47 | nios | It works great with just lp test.txt so printer running atleast |
| 17:35.06 | Justin | nios: you are using cups, right? |
| 17:36.22 | BenJay | enouf Stew yup thats the bog standard debian etch kernel - but i also tried the the raw vanilla 2.6 kernel |
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| 17:37.00 | nios | Justin: cups yeah |
| 17:37.00 | stew | BenJay: which wireless card do you have? and what driver are you trying to use? |
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| 17:37.25 | nios | im going to share it to my win machine |
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| 17:39.37 | Justin | nios: so, what is your problem? |
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| 17:40.22 | BenJay | stew its not a card its built in to the dell . not pcmcia |
| 17:40.23 | nios | I cant find it from my debian laptop or my win desktop |
| 17:40.52 | wols_ | BenJay: lspci |
| 17:40.53 | stew | BenJay: yeah. its a card that's builtin to your dell |
| 17:41.04 | BenJay | k |
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| 17:41.46 | Justin | nios: can't find it? |
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| 17:42.41 | lordleemo | BenJay: the built in card is a Truemobile 1400 802.11a/b.g card see here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=324922 see post 6 from bmralex |
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| 17:42.46 | nios | Justin: no when i browse for it its not any there in "Printers and Faxes" |
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| 17:43.22 | BenJay | its not the end of the world -it just irritates me that linux is getting so close tobeing bloody brilliant - but the drivers for the hardware lag behind |
| 17:43.58 | BenJay | k |
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| 17:44.03 | do_guh_new | what does lspci tell ya benjay |
| 17:44.06 | Justin | BenJay: complain to dell/broadcom |
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| 17:45.59 | stew | BenJay: which drivers? |
| 17:46.16 | mavhc | the manufacturers lag behind |
| 17:46.28 | do_guh_new | or for that matter does lsmod show anything that might be a wireless driver such as maybe e100 or something like taht |
| 17:46.48 | stew | do_guh_new: e100 isn't a wireless driver |
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| 17:47.17 | do_guh_new | oh I know just what came to mind couldve easily said tulip |
| 17:47.33 | do_guh_new | bottom line without his lsmod we go nowhere |
| 17:47.54 | stew | lsmod wouldn't be helpful, lspci would |
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| 17:50.00 | do_guh_new | alright that's super but is he telling us either? |
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| 17:51.48 | Nyle | I search japan, I search kanji, but didn't find any kinda game or software that teaches japanese |
| 17:51.54 | Nyle | does anyone know of something |
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| 17:53.29 | blubberdiblub | Nyle: if you don't mind kde apps, maybe try kiten |
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| 17:53.40 | Nyle | i love kde |
| 17:53.48 | do_guh_new | what about kanatest? |
| 17:54.07 | Nyle | keep in mind its for a small child |
| 17:54.20 | Nyle | should be fun stuff to keep attention |
| 17:54.35 | stew | i wasted a lot of time trying to nmu kanatest |
| 17:54.58 | stew | but that is nothing to do with kanatest as much as the kde team |
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| 17:55.54 | do_guh_new | seems a lot of these learn japanese deals are poorly maintained regardless |
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| 17:57.39 | stew | which is poorly maintained? |
| 17:57.41 | maligor | I doubt writing such software falls under the 'cool' and 'fun' |
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| 17:58.05 | maligor | you'd requite pretty special mindset to work on something like it |
| 17:58.11 | do_guh_new | well kanatest has about one release a year and several others I found are dead links |
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| 17:59.14 | do_guh_new | for example the "excellent japanese learning site" gokali.com is dead |
| 17:59.17 | stew | oh, he is talking about upstream maintainence, not debian maintainendce |
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| 18:01.48 | nohup_ | hello... |
| 18:01.58 | do_guh_new | yella |
| 18:01.59 | nohup_ | does anybody know the name of the freenet6 package these days ? |
| 18:02.18 | nohup_ | or doesn't that come with lenny/sid in the fist place ? |
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| 18:02.46 | stew | nohup_: freenet is no longer in debian |
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| 18:03.36 | nohup_ | i kinda got that feeling :) |
| 18:03.39 | do_guh_new | ya my apt-cache search shows nothing for it |
| 18:03.50 | milo | hi peeps |
| 18:04.09 | nohup_ | do_guh_new: ofcourse that was the first thing i tried :) |
| 18:04.16 | do_guh_new | hehe sure |
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| 18:04.36 | nios | Ist possible to share a printer to a win machine over cups ? |
| 18:04.37 | nohup_ | now i might be totally stupid, but i can't find source for freenet6 either... |
| 18:04.40 | do_guh_new | (that's NOT a sarcastic "sure btw) |
| 18:04.41 | nohup_ | did it die alltogether ? |
| 18:04.56 | do_guh_new | looks like it maybe has can't find tarballs either |
| 18:04.58 | nohup_ | do_guh_new: sure :) |
| 18:05.04 | do_guh_new | :) |
| 18:05.11 | milo | please some one knows where I can take qla2300 non-free drivers for etch? |
| 18:05.30 | nohup_ | okay... to hell with freenet6 then... what's the best way to get ipv6 addresses ? :) |
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| 18:06.19 | ttyS1 | stew: it doesn't respond |
| 18:06.31 | stew | ttyS1: what doesn't? |
| 18:06.34 | stew | nohup_: apt-cache show aiccu? |
| 18:06.54 | stew | nios: yes |
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| 18:08.43 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 18:08.49 | do_guh_new | hello person |
| 18:09.15 | Haris1 | How do I enable php in apache2 on etch? php5 is installed, however, there's nothing in /etc/apache2/mods-available to link to in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ? |
| 18:09.36 | nios | stew: ok |
| 18:10.00 | stew | Haris1: aptitude isntall libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 18:10.21 | ttyS1 | stew: when i use both gtkterm or minicom I see the router prompt but then a lot of lines start showing on the screen as if the keyboard was stock. after that the input locks. if I try to type send a command to the router nothing happens on the screen |
| 18:10.31 | stew | but the correct spelling of "isntall" is an exercise for the reader |
| 18:10.33 | Haris1 | wow! its not installed when php5 is? eh |
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| 18:10.52 | Haris1 | someone add it to the dependencies list when installing php5 |
| 18:11.00 | stew | ttyS1: ask #cisco |
| 18:11.18 | stew | Haris1: its not a dependency of php5, php5 works fine without an apache2 |
| 18:11.28 | stew | ...module |
| 18:11.48 | hark | nohup_: you can use tspc for freenet6 |
| 18:11.57 | stew | Haris1: actually it is a dependency |
| 18:12.01 | stew | !depends php5 |
| 18:12.05 | dpkg | php5: depends on libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.5-3) | php5-cgi (>= 5.2.5-3), php5-common (>= 5.2.5-3) |
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| 18:12.30 | stew | but yes, php5 works fine with php5-cgi or php5-cli instead of libapache2-mod-php5, so it isn't a strict dependency |
| 18:12.32 | Haris1 | stew: How? |
| 18:12.52 | Haris1 | I have them installed and php is not working |
| 18:13.01 | Haris1 | not being called+ is more like it |
| 18:13.10 | stew | Haris1: how are you trying to run php5? |
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| 18:13.50 | Haris | well |
| 18:14.16 | Haris | I made some vhosts in /etc/apache2/sites-available, enabled them in -enable by symlinking them |
| 18:14.31 | Haris | I ran a php page for horde and it came up for download |
| 18:14.39 | stew | Haris: if you want to use php5 with apache2, install libapache2-mod-php5 and run a2enmod php5 |
| 18:16.20 | Haris | well that's easy. Just for the sake of argument, you said its possible to use php5 without it. How do we configure that? |
| 18:16.53 | stew | Haris: if you install php5-cli, you can run php with "php5 /path/to/some/code.php" on the command line |
| 18:17.23 | Haris | *laugh*, well, I don't need to usually. |
| 18:17.30 | stew | err, php5 -f /some/file |
| 18:17.33 | Haris | Usually its the browser |
| 18:18.00 | Haris | Now, I see the difference |
| 18:18.42 | stew | Haris: i'm just explaining why it was valid for you to have php5 installed but not libapache2-mod-php5 and why it shouldn't be a strict dependency |
| 18:19.50 | Haris | and I asked for it |
| 18:19.54 | Haris | thanks |
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| 18:33.07 | drwahl | is it possible to send instant messages out via finch via the command line? |
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| 18:33.50 | abrotman | isn't that the idea of finch? |
| 18:34.01 | drwahl | finch uses an ncurses front end |
| 18:34.16 | drwahl | i want to be able to parse out a file and send stuff to a user from whats in the file |
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| 18:34.35 | cottima | hello, I am confused on a server install. It asks the number of active devices for raid1. Then it asks for number of spare devices. So do I put 2 for one and zero for the other, 2 for each, or 1 for each? |
| 18:35.27 | abrotman | cottima: it's your setup |
| 18:35.36 | stew | cottima: how many drives do you have? |
| 18:35.47 | abrotman | drwahl: try #pidgin .. i don't think there's a #finch |
| 18:36.28 | cottima | stew two for raid1 mirror |
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| 18:36.41 | drwahl | abrotman: already in there :) it seems kinda dead in there, so i thought i would give it a shot in the dark in here :) |
| 18:36.45 | jetscreamer | !tell abrotman -about nvrun |
| 18:36.48 | jetscreamer | ammended |
| 18:36.55 | stew | cottima: then you don't have any spares |
| 18:37.03 | cottima | What I am trying to ask is what is a active device and a spare one? |
| 18:37.14 | cottima | stew, okay. |
| 18:37.19 | abrotman | jetscreamer: still rather you not do that to people |
| 18:37.29 | stew | cottima: a spare one would normally not be used until one of the active drives fails, then the mirror rebuilds onto the spare |
| 18:38.07 | jetscreamer | abrotman: it's just that the unapproved gets done in 5 minutes and works everytime. if the debian method was as idiot proof i wouldn't. |
| 18:38.40 | do_guh_new | wasnt finch similar to apaches ant project if memory serves not sure what pidgin (gaim) has to do with finch but whatever |
| 18:38.47 | cottima | stew okay, so it I have a failure, switch out hdd and say 1 active and 1 spare? (But for now 2 for active and 0 for spare) |
| 18:38.55 | abrotman | jetscreamer: tons of people use it .. works fine .. you're incompatible |
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| 18:39.25 | dcnoye | what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude ? |
| 18:39.30 | cottima | sorry if not "it I have |
| 18:39.31 | jetscreamer | well i can only point out the problem children, the ones who have no problem don't make a scene :) |
| 18:39.39 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 18:39.40 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
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| 18:39.58 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i am trying to remember to say aptitude instead of apt-get though :) |
| 18:40.11 | jetscreamer | you don't see me spamming dselect :) |
| 18:40.13 | do_guh_new | aptitude is fun to say |
| 18:40.29 | jetscreamer | damn gtg |
| 18:40.54 | stew | cottima: no, if you have a failure, you replace the active drive with another active drive. |
| 18:41.02 | Arelis | Hi everyone. I just logged into my newly installed Debian system but got a 1280x1024 resolution, while my monitor's native resolution is 1440x900. So i tried forcing it to 1440x900, but then i get a blurry, wrongly-scaled login screen. Can anybody help me fix this? I'm using the Open Source Radeon-drivers and my video card is an ATI Radeon 9600, and the monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 940mw |
| 18:41.25 | wols_ | Arelis: use fglrx |
| 18:41.32 | maligor | don't use fglrx on radeon 9600 |
| 18:41.36 | wols_ | or find a proper modeline |
| 18:41.36 | do_guh_new | dont |
| 18:41.40 | wols_ | maligor: why not? |
| 18:41.45 | maligor | fglrx is abysmal on older cards |
| 18:41.53 | do_guh_new | abysmal is being kind |
| 18:41.58 | maligor | not to mention support is being phased out |
| 18:42.12 | drwahl | do_guh_new: finch is an ncurses front end to pidgin |
| 18:42.16 | maligor | the open drivers should be fine |
| 18:42.16 | abrotman | but the fglrx in etch still has support |
| 18:42.19 | wols_ | so what's different to fglrx installs on other radeons? :) |
| 18:42.23 | stew | wols_: becuase he wants free drivers, and his card is fully suported by free drivers |
| 18:42.41 | stew | Arelis: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:42.43 | maligor | wols_, it works best on r500 and r600 cards really |
| 18:42.43 | wols_ | stew: not the reason for maligor |
| 18:42.44 | do_guh_new | thanks drwahl, I was thinking of the finch project that died a few years ago, sorry I'm a bit dated |
| 18:43.27 | drwahl | haha, np |
| 18:43.27 | stew | wols_: that's the answer to "< wols_> maligor: why not?" |
| 18:43.27 | maligor | the r300 support is really bad |
| 18:43.27 | do_guh_new | ncurses frontend eh? interesting |
| 18:43.27 | Arelis | stew: And then change what inside that file? |
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| 18:43.49 | wols_ | stew: from what he answered I don't draw that conclusion. he says the driver performs badly. the problem is not the closedness for him |
| 18:44.01 | wols_ | !modeline |
| 18:44.01 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
| 18:44.03 | stew | Arelis: Modes inside Subsection Display inside Suction Screen |
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| 18:44.09 | maligor | performance isn't the problem from what I gather, they're just broken |
| 18:44.17 | stew | wols_: doesn't matter, your advice was bad |
| 18:44.21 | Arelis | stew: I already put 1440x900 there, but like i said i get a malformed login screen |
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| 18:44.37 | wols_ | Arelis: modeline |
| 18:44.48 | stew | Arelis: use xdpyinfo to see what resolution it is actually running at |
| 18:45.04 | stew | Arelis: or xrandr (which might let you switch to 1440x900) |
| 18:45.07 | Arelis | stew: will do |
| 18:45.19 | maligor | wols_, mm.. modelines are tricky on DFPs |
| 18:45.20 | Arelis | in the meantime, i tried videogen, then get this message: |
| 18:45.20 | Arelis | could not open configuration file "~/.videogen" (errno=2) |
| 18:45.21 | Arelis | error: no modes (resolutions) have been specified |
| 18:45.31 | wols_ | maligor: any other suggestions? |
| 18:45.35 | maligor | on DFPs you want to use the modeline specified by the monitor |
| 18:45.36 | stew | Arelis: and if you want more help from us, we'd want to see /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:45.57 | Arelis | stew: 1440x1024 |
| 18:46.03 | wols_ | and I know. I had the same problems on a gf2mx, same res. I finally broke down and install nvidia drivers and it went all awas in a flash an dnow had pretty pictures |
| 18:46.03 | Arelis | stew: that one has the star before it |
| 18:46.16 | stew | Arelis: is 1440x900 listed? |
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| 18:46.19 | Arelis | stew: yes |
| 18:46.21 | maligor | I think there are tools to extract the native resolution modeline from edid |
| 18:46.29 | maligor | but the drivers should be doing that anyway |
| 18:46.42 | stew | Arelis: please show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:46.49 | stew | he doesn't need a modeline |
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| 18:50.16 | Arelis | Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf are located here: |
| 18:50.16 | Arelis | http://paste.debian.net/50666 |
| 18:50.16 | Arelis | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 18:50.46 | Arelis | stew: there you go :) |
| 18:51.27 | stew | Arelis: i don't see xorg.conf. but it doesn't matter, according to that it is running at 1440x900 not 1440x1024 |
| 18:52.35 | stew | Arelis: exactly what did you do to determine it was running at 1440x1024? |
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| 18:53.47 | keith4_ | are there any pcmcia wireless G cards that are well-supported in debian without using ndiswrapper? |
| 18:53.52 | Arelis | stew: xrandr shows a "*" before 1440x1024 , and just now i tested running xrandr -s 1440x900, it DID do something (made the bottom of the screen somewhat smaller) but the taskbar is still hidden and things look blurry and crumpled. |
| 18:54.02 | Arelis | stew: Xorg.conf is at the bottom of that paste |
| 18:54.17 | maligor | 1440x900 should be the standard widescreen for 16:10 monitors |
| 18:54.25 | stew | keith4_: many |
| 18:54.26 | maligor | below 20" anyway |
| 18:54.33 | stew | Arelis: you did this after logging into X? or from a VT? |
| 18:54.38 | stew | Arelis: no. xorg.conf is not in that paste |
| 18:54.42 | Arelis | stew: i did this from within X |
| 18:55.22 | biz | Whats the best way to speed up /dev/urandom on a remote machine without input devices? disk activity? (I'm talking about urandom, not /dev/random ;-) ) |
| 18:55.26 | stew | Arelis: can you kill the DM and try "startx" and see what resolution you end up with? |
| 18:55.30 | keith4_ | stew: i'm in the market for one, either new or ebay, so do you have any suggestions/horror-stories? |
| 18:55.32 | Arelis | stew: kay. |
| 18:55.48 | dcnoye | when does lenny go stable ? is there an eta ? |
| 18:55.55 | stew | biz: disk activity doesn't matter for /dev/urandom, since it doesn't rely on entropy, /dev/random does |
| 18:56.34 | stew | keith4_: i've only ever had intel or older prism54, and i've always been happy |
| 18:56.39 | keith4_ | biz: network activity, maybe? |
| 18:56.53 | biz | stew: Ok, but what does matter for /dev/urandom? I need to fill some big file with pseudo-random data |
| 18:56.59 | Arelis | stew: how can i see what resolution I end up with? with xrandr? |
| 18:57.02 | dcnoye | biz what are you trying to do ? |
| 18:57.06 | keith4_ | urandom is non-blocking, isn't it? |
| 18:57.10 | Arelis | stew: it looks the same as it did when logging in with the DM |
| 18:57.26 | keith4_ | Arelis: xorg's log should tell you |
| 18:57.27 | stew | biz: nothing should matter for /dev/urandom afaik |
| 18:57.49 | Arelis | strange, this: (**) RADEON(0): Pitch = 12058808 bytes (virtualX = 1440, displayWidth = 1472) |
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| 18:58.00 | stew | Arelis: what desktop environment are you running? perhaps that is what is changing the resolution after X starts |
| 18:58.19 | keith4_ | biz: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/entropy.txt |
| 18:58.26 | Arelis | stew: nope, because in the DM it is the same too. But i'm running GNOME |
| 18:58.28 | stew | keith4_: no, the X log isn't telling him what resoultion he is ending up with. it is telling him what he is starting with, and something is changing it later |
| 18:58.36 | keith4_ | that's.... odd |
| 18:58.46 | stew | Arelis: then yeah, i'd blame gnome. can you try running without gnome to verify it? |
| 18:59.00 | Arelis | stew: is twm installed? |
| 18:59.05 | Arelis | nvm. found out |
| 18:59.05 | stew | Arelis: or go to wherever it is, system->appearance->desktop, or whatever |
| 18:59.13 | stew | Arelis: i have no idea what is installed on your machine |
| 18:59.21 | keith4_ | stew: doesn't gdm do that? i have a bunch of workstations sharing the same automounted homedir, authing to ldap... and wherever i login, it tries to use the same resolution if it can |
| 18:59.23 | jetscreamer | twn is not installed by default |
| 18:59.34 | stew | keith4_: /dev/urandom isn't dependent on entropy |
| 18:59.36 | jetscreamer | it might get sucked in with th exorg metapackage i forget |
| 18:59.53 | wols_ | jetscreamer: twm is |
| 18:59.56 | stew | oh, maybe it is |
| 19:00.02 | Arelis | stew: I ran startx with twm as windowmanager, and i still got the strange resolution. |
| 19:00.10 | stew | biz: if you need more entropy, running "find /" would generate more |
| 19:00.20 | keith4_ | stew: i know. the 6th or so paragraph of that page discusses it |
| 19:00.38 | stew | keith4_: yeah, news to me, thanks |
| 19:00.44 | keith4_ | urandom just sort-of... "extends" the entropy of random... apparently. who knew? |
| 19:00.53 | stew | not me :) |
| 19:00.58 | Arelis | keith4_: cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/audio <-- try this one. |
| 19:01.10 | stew | Arelis: can you show us ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 19:01.28 | keith4_ | i love the truecrypt disk image creator... it makes you move the mouse or bang on the keyboard to create entropy |
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| 19:01.47 | keith4_ | some of the BSDs do that at install time too, iirc |
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| 19:02.25 | karrotx___ | does anyone have a load testing tool they recommend? i just grabbed another 8 gigs of ram for a box and need to see how it handles |
| 19:02.29 | stew | Arelis: i'd also still be interested in seeing your xorg.conf |
| 19:03.07 | keith4_ | karrotx___: vmware server? ;-) |
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| 19:03.47 | Arelis | .xsession-errors is located here: |
| 19:03.47 | Arelis | http://paste.debian.net/50667 |
| 19:03.47 | Arelis | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 19:04.03 | Arelis | stew: i'll paste xorg.conf too |
| 19:04.14 | seeds | 8187B realtek wireless card won't work with debian testing |
| 19:04.20 | seeds | i need help |
| 19:04.57 | Arelis | /etc/X11/xorg.conf is located here: |
| 19:04.58 | Arelis | http://paste.debian.net/50668 |
| 19:04.58 | Arelis | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 19:05.01 | Arelis | stew: there you go |
| 19:05.09 | stew | Arelis: yeah, gnome is running. i'd guess that gnome is what is changing your resolution |
| 19:05.14 | karrotx___ | keith4_: i was hoping for some pc utils or equivalent i can run in debian |
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| 19:05.20 | karrotx___ | maybe some kind of benchmarking, make sure the ram is good |
| 19:05.30 | Arelis | stew: no, really, when i run TWM, it's still that same strange resolution, and in the display manager too. |
| 19:05.33 | zphinx | Anyone got a good list of apt sources lying around? :P |
| 19:05.38 | keith4_ | seeds: what chipset does it have? |
| 19:05.40 | zphinx | besides the standard debian ones for etch |
| 19:05.51 | stew | Arelis: can you show men .xsession-errors when gnome isn't running? |
| 19:06.01 | biz | stew: seems like the cpu is the only limiting factor of urandom? Anyways, its faster than real /dev/random but I'd expected it to be faster |
| 19:06.03 | Arelis | stew: sure |
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| 19:07.22 | stew | biz: what does "cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail" say? |
| 19:07.45 | Arelis | stew: it didn't generate .xsession-errors with only twm running |
| 19:07.47 | biz | stew: 5003 |
| 19:08.03 | stew | biz: that's lots |
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| 19:08.11 | wols_ | Arelis: maybe stop gdm and use run startx with twm as WM |
| 19:08.20 | biz | stew: I did my best to push it ;-) |
| 19:08.21 | Arelis | wols_: that is what i did. |
| 19:08.24 | wols_ | Arelis: to eliminate whatever your DM possibly does |
| 19:08.27 | wols_ | ah, k |
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| 19:09.13 | jelly | biz: I guess you'd take a seed from /dev/random and run a common PRNG with that if you wanted fast |
| 19:09.14 | SparFux | A module vzaphfc gets loaded on my debian box at boot. How can I prevent this and instead get misdn capi loaded? |
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| 19:10.01 | SparFux | Hi Karina. |
| 19:10.11 | abrotman | !tell SparFux about blacklist |
| 19:10.28 | SparFux | abrotman: I think blacklist doesn't work. :-( |
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| 19:10.35 | abrotman | did you read all of it? |
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| 19:10.38 | SparFux | Ill try again. |
| 19:10.44 | Arelis_ | oh, seems i got kicked out |
| 19:10.47 | Arelis_ | stew: it didn't generate .xsession-errors with only twm running |
| 19:12.04 | SparFux | Ok, I haven't tried blacklist.local yet. |
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| 19:12.46 | Arelis_ | stew: are you still there? |
| 19:13.30 | keith4_ | patience |
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| 19:15.16 | Arelis_ | wols_: should i just install fglrx?? |
| 19:16.02 | wols_ | listen to stew he said I gave a bad advice |
| 19:16.43 | stew | Arelis_: no, your video card driver is working correctly, there is no reason to use a non-free driver |
| 19:16.53 | Arelis_ | stew: alright :) |
| 19:16.59 | stew | wols_: yes, suggesting someone use non-free software when the free alternative is perfectly capable is bad advice |
| 19:17.13 | wols_ | stew: did you fix his problem? |
| 19:17.18 | stew | wols_: no |
| 19:17.23 | Supaplex | install word97! ;) |
| 19:18.09 | wols_ | stew: I'd be VERY interested if you had a solution cause as I said I have a gf2mx which has the exact same problem with nv and no problem with nvidia. and no 3D is actually needed there |
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| 19:18.55 | SparFux | abrotman: thx for help |
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| 19:19.21 | SparFux | I want to load rtc driver into kernel, but there is no rtc.o module, just rtc-xxxx.o. Which one to load? |
| 19:19.22 | stew | wols_: and what exactly is the problem? |
| 19:19.34 | wols_ | stew:same as arelist |
| 19:19.54 | wols_ | either tretched out res, or cut of res, or big fonts, etc |
| 19:19.59 | stew | wols_: so x is started with the correct resoution, and AFTER x is started, something changes the resolution? |
| 19:20.10 | wols_ | stew: no changes |
| 19:20.17 | stew | wols_: then it is a different problem |
| 19:20.43 | Arelis_ | stew: here it doesn't change either. From the moment X starts, everything looks weird. startx with twm as window manager has the same problems. |
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| 19:20.56 | _deX | Can anyone recommend me a small and easy to use cue/bin burner? |
| 19:21.06 | wols_ | stew: he said he has the same problem with twm.but next time I'm there I think I bring you a xorg.log and xorg.conf and xsession-errors all for a twm startx. and a proceess list |
| 19:21.10 | wols_ | Arelis_: just checking: etch? |
| 19:21.14 | Arelis_ | wols_: yes |
| 19:21.18 | stew | Arelis_: your X log indicates that X is starting a 1440x900, if its not 1440x900 by the time you log in, something has changed it |
| 19:21.20 | quantum-soul | hi, i have windows and debian ni my computer, the thing is i cant access to my windows partitions from debian, the windows hardrives dont appear, im using Xfce, could someone help me please |
| 19:21.40 | Arelis_ | stew: even changing it to 1440x900 from xrandr doesn't help the blurriness |
| 19:21.42 | tacit | quantum-soul: man mount |
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| 19:22.05 | quantum-soul | tacit, ok letme check |
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| 19:22.09 | stew | Arelis_: can you show us the output of xdpyinfo from before and after you change it with xrandr |
| 19:22.11 | wols_ | Arelis_: connected via DVI or vga? |
| 19:22.20 | Arelis_ | wols_: I think vga |
| 19:22.22 | Arelis_ | stew: okay |
| 19:22.32 | danand_ | _deX - the program bchunk will convert bin/cue files to iso's for you i believe |
| 19:22.39 | Arelis_ | stew: (by the way, starting twm via startx still yields the same results. different resolution than 1440x900) |
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| 19:23.03 | biz | _deX: cdrdao |
| 19:23.09 | _deX | thanks bix |
| 19:23.11 | _deX | *biz |
| 19:24.38 | _deX | biz: it works for DVDs as well, right? |
| 19:25.18 | chops | Arelis_: Have you pushed the button that auto-adjusts the montor? |
| 19:25.21 | chops | *monitor |
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| 19:25.22 | biz | _deX: I've never used it for dvds, have a look at wodim, too. |
| 19:25.40 | _deX | kay |
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| 19:26.49 | _deX | darn it |
| 19:27.03 | _deX | is there a binary I can download? |
| 19:27.18 | biz | _deX: debian packages? |
| 19:27.23 | _deX | yea |
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| 19:28.07 | Arelis_ | stew: xdpyinfo before & after is located here: |
| 19:28.07 | Arelis_ | http://paste.debian.net/50672 |
| 19:28.07 | Arelis_ | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 19:28.16 | squisher | Hi, can anyone tell me why 'ps' hangs during output and can't get killed anymore? Similarly pidof ... |
| 19:28.17 | Arelis_ | chops: yes i did |
| 19:29.06 | chops | Arelis_: Was there something on the screen that it could get a good handle on (the checkerboard pattern that happens when you run 'X' by itself is good, as are xterms with a lot of text all over the screen)? |
| 19:29.10 | tralalaptop | squisher: a kernel problem perhaps. Does dmesg show any errors? |
| 19:29.19 | Arelis_ | chops: yes |
| 19:29.36 | biz | squisher: selinux? grsec? |
| 19:29.46 | chops | Arelis_: Okay, NM. Carry on. :-) |
| 19:29.52 | Arelis_ | chops: okay :) |
| 19:29.52 | squisher | tralalaptop: good idea |
| 19:30.04 | chops | squisher: Running it under 'strace' may give you a better idea of what hangs |
| 19:30.19 | squisher | tralalaptop: so I have a program that crashed, with kernel error in dmesg |
| 19:30.26 | squisher | chops: I'd like to do that, but I can't get the pid! |
| 19:30.29 | chops | squisher: That's a serious problem |
| 19:30.38 | chops | squisher: What program? Can you pastebin the output from dmesg? |
| 19:31.11 | squisher | chops: sure, ekiga crashed trying to access the sound |
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| 19:32.27 | tralalaptop | squisher: this is a kernel problem, which version do you use? |
| 19:32.43 | tziku | can i skipt to check if mysql exist in a ./configure file ? ( checking for mysql_init in -lmysql... no ; configure: error: Missing mysql ) . Thanks. |
| 19:32.54 | squisher | tralalaptop: the crash yes, of course, but that does not explain to me why ps is hanging |
| 19:33.10 | tralalaptop | squisher: because the kernel is messed up |
| 19:33.21 | Arelis_ | stew: you still there? |
| 19:33.27 | squisher | tralalaptop, chops, I must admit that this is not on debian actually, so I'm running 2.6.24-gentoo |
| 19:33.34 | squisher | tralalaptop: guess that makes sense |
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| 19:34.01 | squisher | in case anyone is interested in the dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/m6e3979dc |
| 19:34.04 | tralalaptop | squisher: you better report a kernel bug to gentoo then |
| 19:34.33 | squisher | tralalaptop: yeah, I should do that. Thanks for the help everyone |
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| 19:35.56 | Arelis_ | wols_: I know, though, that fglrx usually fixes this problem. |
| 19:36.01 | Arelis_ | wols_: so should i try fglrx? |
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| 19:37.49 | Arelis_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.00 | Arelis_ | 2d only, hmm.. |
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| 19:40.13 | Eulex | Arelis_, you've got 3d acceleration now? |
| 19:40.48 | Arelis_ | Eulex: no |
| 19:40.54 | Arelis_ | Eulex: haven't even gotten a good resolution |
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| 19:41.10 | Arelis_ | so i'm trying the fglrx drivers out, because in previous times they worked. |
| 19:41.14 | Eulex | Arelis_, well, then you won't lose 3d acceleration, at least... |
| 19:41.22 | Arelis_ | strange that 3d acceleration SOMEWHAT works on ubuntu with the OSS drivers, though |
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| 19:41.37 | wols_ | does on debian too if configured normally |
| 19:42.01 | deikuser53 | hi all |
| 19:42.24 | tralalaptop | I didn't realize oss does 3d |
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| 19:42.31 | deikuser53 | i have one problem in debian |
| 19:42.52 | keith4_ | just one? |
| 19:42.56 | deikuser53 | yep |
| 19:42.58 | deikuser53 | :) |
| 19:43.04 | deikuser53 | eggdrop |
| 19:43.12 | stew | Arelis_: you already have 3d support with the free drivers. |
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| 19:43.28 | deikuser53 | i can't run this |
| 19:43.49 | valdyn | !tell deikuser53 -about ask |
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| 19:44.02 | stew | deikuser53: why not? |
| 19:44.05 | smacnay | is there a script for changing the gtk theme? I am in gnome. |
| 19:44.10 | deikuser53 | it write: error... need libtcl8.4 |
| 19:44.19 | stew | deikuser53: how did you install it? |
| 19:44.27 | deikuser53 | from source |
| 19:44.32 | Nyle_ | A massive multiuser online role playing game. |
| 19:44.33 | Arelis_ | stew: I installed fglrx, and it worked. it solved it all. |
| 19:44.33 | Nyle_ | doh |
| 19:44.47 | Nyle_ | smacnay: gnome theme manager in gnome-control-center |
| 19:44.54 | smacnay | Nyle_, thanks |
| 19:44.56 | stew | Arelis_: plese file a bug against xserver-xorg-video-ati then |
| 19:45.03 | Nyle_ | smacnay: or use switch/switch2 ( install gtk-theme-switch |
| 19:45.05 | Nyle_ | something like that |
| 19:45.21 | Arelis_ | stew: where? |
| 19:45.44 | biz | smacnay: switch for gtk1 and switch2 for gtk2 |
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| 19:46.09 | biz | .. oh, I've skipped Nyle_ ;-) |
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| 19:46.37 | deikuser53 | i use compiz-fusion ... it is cool |
| 19:46.38 | sordith | Hello #debian! |
| 19:46.59 | stew | Arelis_: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 19:47.23 | stew | Arelis_: please include the Xorg.0.log and xdpyinfo from those pastebins |
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| 19:48.34 | Yosusin | http://bitxarraco.myminicity.fr/ |
| 19:48.53 | Arelis_ | stew: i think it's already been reported |
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| 19:49.02 | Arelis_ | stew: because many people have this problem |
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| 19:50.39 | kqrl | where can i find xkb-files for the 'se'-layout? (swedish qwerty, that is) |
| 19:50.56 | abrotman | that was fast |
| 19:51.12 | deikuser53 | i am warcraft 3 server admin... and on the server run debian |
| 19:51.55 | stew | Arelis_: what is the bug number? |
| 19:52.53 | deikuser53 | i can't run dist-upgrade.. |
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| 19:53.05 | Arelis_ | stew: don't know. I'm not sure if it's really been posted, but i think so. |
| 19:53.14 | stew | Arelis_: can you please report it? |
| 19:53.18 | stew | deikuser53: why can't you? |
| 19:53.31 | deikuser53 | i write: aptitude dist-upgrade... |
| 19:53.33 | Arelis_ | stew: alright then. |
| 19:53.39 | deikuser53 | and |
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| 19:54.13 | deikuser53 | this done |
| 19:54.15 | Arelis_ | stew: Oh, and btw, i did the backports one-liner when i asked 'bpo' to dpkg (the bot). Does that mean that now, everything will be using backports, or that i will only use specific apps from backports.org? |
| 19:54.26 | stew | deikuser53: why did you install eggdrop from source instead of using apt-get/aptitude |
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| 19:54.39 | stew | Arelis_: no, read the instructions page at backports.org |
| 19:55.05 | deikuser53 | stew: aptitude |
| 19:55.17 | stew | deikuser53: what do you mean? |
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| 19:55.54 | stew | deikuser53: you said that you install eggdrop from source and are having trouble using it. is there a good reason you are installing it from source instead of using the debian eggdrop packages? |
| 19:55.59 | Arelis_ | stew: thank you :) |
| 19:56.28 | mirak | I created a backup of my hard drive with dd. Now I would like to know how to mount it as a device, does anyone knows a tutorial to do that ? |
| 19:56.55 | squisher | mirak: mount -o loop I think |
| 19:57.20 | squisher | mirak: actually, that only works for a backup of a partition, not for a whole hdd... sorry |
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| 19:58.04 | tacit | squisher: Not with mount -o, but you can create a loop device of part of the disk image, hence a partition, and mount that |
| 19:58.06 | mirak | squisher: I think I need to create a device or something |
| 19:58.37 | squisher | tacit: tell mirak :-) |
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| 19:58.39 | sloerie | hi, did the #debian-custom channel move somewhere else? |
| 19:58.47 | Lectus | Hello! I just installed debian base system. I'm talking from irssi lol. How can I install xorg? Do I need the full package? Also, how can I configure it? Thanks |
| 19:58.49 | tacit | I think he read. |
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| 19:59.38 | stew | deikuser53: please keep it in the channel |
| 20:00.36 | sloerie | lectus do : apt-get install xserver-xorg xfonts-base |
| 20:00.38 | deikuser53 | ok |
| 20:00.39 | deikuser53 | sry |
| 20:00.54 | tacit | mirak: see man losetup for offset |
| 20:01.04 | mirak | thanks |
| 20:01.07 | Zharf | Lectus, what's "irssi lol"? |
| 20:01.16 | Arelis_ | stew: i don't think i'll report it. |
| 20:01.20 | deikuser53 | eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:01.23 | sloerie | lectus to start do : startx when all is fine apt-get install gdm |
| 20:01.23 | wols_ | !irssi |
| 20:01.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 20:01.29 | squisher | Zharf: he's obviously amased by the power of the command line ;-) |
| 20:01.34 | stew | deikuser53: you said that you install eggdrop from source and are having trouble using it. is there a good reason you are installing it from source instead of using the debian eggdrop packages? |
| 20:01.57 | Zharf | squisher, obviously, I guess I shouldn't tell him that all I use is terminals and command lines :o |
| 20:02.04 | Lectus | Zharf: irssi is a text mode irc client. I don't have xorg yet. ;) |
| 20:02.23 | Zharf | Lectus, I know what irssi is, I asked what "irssi lol" is |
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| 20:02.43 | deikuser53 | eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:02.49 | Lectus | so, I apt-get x-window-system, then gdb and startx? |
| 20:02.50 | sloerie | does anyone know where #debian-custom went? its empty.. did it move or die? |
| 20:03.02 | Zharf | Lectus, gdb?? |
| 20:03.10 | Akatemik | If you want to debug X11 |
| 20:03.10 | Lectus | gdm sorry |
| 20:03.15 | wols_ | !tell Lectus about install xorg |
| 20:03.24 | wols_ | !tell Lectus about install gnome |
| 20:03.24 | Lectus | oh... I don't need x-window-system. just xorg-xserver? |
| 20:03.30 | deikuser53 | van itt valaki aki német angol sanyol vagy magyarul tud? |
| 20:03.41 | Lectus | xserver-xorg* |
| 20:04.00 | wols_ | Lectus: read the factoid for a change |
| 20:04.02 | sloerie | whats the use of xorg wo a xwindows |
| 20:04.02 | Akatemik | !tell Lectus about google |
| 20:04.03 | sloerie | ? |
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| 20:04.12 | Arelis_ | how do i remove gnome? |
| 20:04.19 | stew | Arelis_: oh well. its a bit if a shame that the effort of gathering the information will go to waste |
| 20:04.20 | wols_ | !tell Arelis_ about remove gnome |
| 20:04.26 | Arelis_ | wols_: thank you :) |
| 20:04.38 | Arelis_ | stew: i didn't yet solve it. |
| 20:04.46 | wols_ | Arelis_: ad you should report it even if you add simply to the already existing bug |
| 20:05.10 | stew | Arelis_: yes, and since nobody knows it needs to be solved, nobody will even be tryhing |
| 20:05.17 | Arelis_ | wols_: hmm.. ok. but will i have to keep monitoring the bug and replying to questions there? |
| 20:05.25 | stew | Arelis_: if you were to report the bug, with the helpful information you have, someone might try to fix it |
| 20:05.33 | stew | Arelis_: you don't have to do anything |
| 20:05.40 | wols_ | Arelis_: no |
| 20:05.45 | wols_ | but more data helps the maintainers to fix it |
| 20:05.45 | Arelis_ | wols_: then i'll report it :) |
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| 20:05.54 | wols_ | and pressures them a little :) |
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| 20:09.20 | justnulling2 | can i debootstrap from iso rathern then online repository? |
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| 20:09.49 | mirak | losetup doesn't help to see partitions. In fact I would like to have devices etcetera showing. I want to emulate a drive in fact |
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| 20:10.39 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 20:10.53 | wols_ | !wayttd mirak |
| 20:10.53 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mirak? |
| 20:11.03 | Haris | I am installin pecl module fileinfo |
| 20:11.10 | Haris | I get this error -> http://pastebin.ca/932521 |
| 20:11.15 | _ke | anybody using the munin ports_ plugin with debian etch? it lists no connections here... |
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| 20:11.34 | mirak | wols_: I have ddrescued a drive, and want to mount the partitions in the image |
| 20:13.19 | wols_ | fdisk <ddrescue fil> ? |
| 20:13.43 | wols_ | then offset mount them directly |
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| 20:14.09 | Lectus | why gnome is so big? o.o |
| 20:14.12 | mirak | wols_: what ? |
| 20:14.20 | Lectus | what comes by default when I apt-get install gnome? |
| 20:14.26 | nuambenzina | Hi, I installed debian lenny, my /etc/apt/sources.list is just http://www.pastebin.ca/932527 with one repro, Is someone in the mood to tell me what repro`s I need to add for installing software such Opera web brownser, macromedia flash, nvidia drivers and souch? |
| 20:14.27 | macafe | There are any way to search files how name is not in UTF-8? |
| 20:14.33 | Eulex | Lectus, about everything. |
| 20:14.39 | Eulex | !tell Lectus about install gnome |
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| 20:17.40 | mirak | Lectus: gnome |
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| 20:17.48 | Arelis | how can i upgrade my box? (been my first install) |
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| 20:20.06 | danand_ | Arelis - do you mean "update" your box? if so run apt-get update and then do apt-get upgrade (note: i always run apt-get -s upgrade first to see what upgrade is gonna do) |
| 20:20.44 | jaalto | Is anyone familiar with Python distutils and setup.py? |
| 20:21.00 | wols_ | jaalto: #python is? |
| 20:21.04 | wols_ | !tell jaalto about anyone |
| 20:21.37 | XLV | i have a question about kernel upgrading, i have a file server with linux software raid5, the exact layout of hdds is as follows; 3 hdds 250GB sata, each has 4 partitions, one 256MB boot, one 1GB swap, one 20GB root, and the rest as raid5, each of the 3 first partitions of 3 hdds are raid1 with 1 partiotion spare, the 4th partitions of each hdd is raid5 and on top of it lvm2.. question is, how does one upgrades kernel using that setup, ne |
| 20:21.37 | XLV | wer debian packages kernel have correct initrd image, or one needs to create one on his own, with proper modules? |
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| 20:22.41 | wols_ | XLV: no need fo you to do anything |
| 20:22.52 | wols_ | initrd gets created with debconf more or less automatically |
| 20:23.21 | jaalto | In python setup.py, you can tell what scripts to install with |
| 20:23.23 | jaalto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:23.28 | Supaplex | XLV: the kernel package should be create a new initrd on install. just keep the old kernel around until you're happy with the new one. |
| 20:23.31 | mirak | I tried that but it fails partprobe /dev/loop1 |
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| 20:23.45 | jaalto | But how do I install without the .py extensions? |
| 20:23.55 | SparFux | Why doesn't my rtc clock work in debian? There is no module rtc. |
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| 20:24.22 | Justin | SparFux: sure about that? what kernel are you using? |
| 20:24.30 | wols_ | SparFux: doesn't work how? |
| 20:24.38 | wols_ | and rtc could be compiled into the kernel |
| 20:24.44 | SparFux | kernel 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 20:24.59 | SparFux | I only have a lot of rtc-XXXX.ko modules. |
| 20:25.01 | wols_ | SparFux: CONFIG_RTC=m |
| 20:25.20 | SparFux | wols: Ok, but rtc should work with rtc=y and the right module? |
| 20:25.24 | SparFux | for the chipset? |
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| 20:25.30 | wols_ | yes |
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| 20:26.06 | SparFux | how to find out which chipset I got? |
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| 20:26.18 | xushi | how do i let kdm auto login my user to xfce? It keeps asking for user/passwd |
| 20:26.45 | Arelis | Hello everyone. One package is being held behind: linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 20:26.48 | Arelis | why? |
| 20:26.52 | Arelis | and should i let it be? |
| 20:27.01 | wols_ | SparFux: lspci |
| 20:27.09 | wols_ | SparFux: oh, rtc. no clue |
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| 20:27.24 | wols_ | !tell Arelis about held back |
| 20:28.26 | Arelis | wols_: Alright. Is it safe to upgrade that package? |
| 20:28.37 | wols_ | Arelis: what kernel do you have right now? |
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| 20:28.50 | wols_ | Arelis: and what cpu? |
| 20:28.58 | SparFux | no clue I got. |
| 20:29.00 | wols_ | Arelis: unamr -a |
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| 20:29.08 | wols_ | !waxttd SparFux |
| 20:29.12 | Arelis | robins-computer:~# uname -a |
| 20:29.12 | Arelis | Linux robins-computer 2.6.18-5-486 #1 Tue Dec 18 20:50:32 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:29.13 | wols_ | !wayttd SparFux |
| 20:29.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, SparFux? |
| 20:29.14 | xushi | uname |
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| 20:29.31 | Arelis | wols_: model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ |
| 20:29.38 | wols_ | Arelis: yes you want ot upgrade. your kernel has a local root exploit. also: what cpu? |
| 20:29.48 | wols_ | Arelis: amd64 or i386? |
| 20:30.05 | Arelis | wols_: Well at boot in the BIOS i get a message about Athlon64 but i'm not sure. maybe i386 |
| 20:30.06 | wols_ | get linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 20:30.30 | SparFux | I am trying to make chronyc use my rtc stuff. There seems to be a proper kernel module missing. rtc is compiled into the kernel, but there are a lot of rtc-XXXX.ko in /lib/modules. Plus, chronyc command rtcdata gives all zeroos for time and stuff. |
| 20:30.59 | SparFux | wols: k7 has died. |
| 20:31.04 | SparFux | wols: one should use 686. |
| 20:31.07 | Arelis | SparFux: died? |
| 20:31.08 | Arelis | oh.. |
| 20:31.11 | Arelis | i'm installing it as we speak! |
| 20:31.15 | Arelis | should i cancel it? |
| 20:31.36 | SparFux | Arelis: Yes, it was unsure how much benefit oen would have from k7 arch. And there were too many archs. So k7 was ceased. |
| 20:31.52 | wols_ | SparFux: not on etch |
| 20:32.00 | SparFux | wols: Ok, that's true. |
| 20:32.05 | Arelis | so i should just install it? |
| 20:32.06 | wols_ | Arelis: no. continue |
| 20:32.08 | Arelis | kay |
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| 20:32.45 | wols_ | SparFux: whclock --show |
| 20:32.50 | wols_ | hwclock --show |
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| 20:33.11 | Arelis | wols_: rebooting.. |
| 20:33.35 | SparFux | Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. \n Use the --debug option to see the details of our search for an access method. |
| 20:33.54 | SparFux | hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=16: Device or resource busy. |
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| 20:34.02 | wols_ | SparFux: hwclock --directisa --show |
| 20:34.05 | SparFux | Busy by chrony, I suppose. Terminating chrony. |
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| 20:34.07 | action09 | hi all :) |
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| 20:34.53 | SparFux | Fri Mar 7 21:33:28 2008 -0.159937 seconds |
| 20:35.07 | o2T7 | Hi, is it possible to resize a ntfs partition? |
| 20:35.10 | SparFux | Chrony seems to be blocking the rtc. But chrony itself gives just zeros for the rtc. |
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| 20:36.58 | wols_ | SparFux: if that wored it is not blocking |
| 20:37.13 | wols_ | and no crhony isn't blocking at all. it just doesn't call hwclock with --directisa |
| 20:37.18 | Lectus | o2T7: yes, use gparted or something like that |
| 20:37.33 | wols_ | o2T7: yes it is. boot from a livecd and use gparted |
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| 20:38.11 | _ke | anybody using the munin ports_ plugin with debian etch? it lists no connections here... |
| 20:38.22 | SparFux | strange. |
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| 20:38.31 | o2T7 | Lectus: Gparted says that it can't read the partitions content. Also doesn't show the "resize/move" option |
| 20:38.35 | SparFux | I chrony is running on my system, noo hwclock is possible. |
| 20:39.19 | mirak | fdisk gives me the devices how I would like them to appear, but they don't appear like that on the file system : /dev/loop0p3 1 66 522112 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 |
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| 20:39.27 | mirak | wols_: any idea ? |
| 20:39.39 | Lectus | o2T7: strange... it's been a long time since I created a partition, I think you have to mount the hd |
| 20:39.42 | leonardo | anyone knows a program like winrar to linux? |
| 20:39.57 | o2T7 | wols: I have access to it from here (debian etch) |
| 20:40.00 | SparFux | leonardo: rar |
| 20:40.01 | wols_ | mirak: you need to caluclate the offset imho and mount it with that |
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| 20:40.07 | SparFux | leonardo: aunpack (all unpack) |
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| 20:40.21 | wols_ | !ntfsresize |
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| 20:40.24 | leonardo | will see |
| 20:40.36 | SparFux | leonardo: unrar |
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| 20:40.45 | mirak | wols_: well that's the simplest way, offset is 66*512 , but I wonder if I could get the devices like that /dev/loop0p3 |
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| 20:40.53 | leonardo | ok thanks |
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| 20:41.21 | mirak | wols_: maybe there is a command that tells the kernel to seek the devices and create according partition devices. I tried partprobe /dev/loop0 but this fails |
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| 20:41.56 | wols_ | mirak: no clue, sorry |
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| 20:42.18 | SparFux | which package is responsible to run the rtc in utc time ? |
| 20:42.20 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:42.26 | action09 | hi TrueDD |
| 20:42.40 | TrueDD | hi action09 |
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| 20:43.00 | o2T7 | gparted also spend a lot of time on refreshing the devices table. It even looks for a /dev/fd0 even being commented on fstab |
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| 20:45.24 | SparFux | Can I have both access the rtc clock? Chrony AND hwclock_ |
| 20:45.25 | SparFux | ? |
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| 20:45.51 | Arelis | the "linux-image-2.6-486" package is still being held back even though i installed the k7 kernel. how can i fix this? |
| 20:46.02 | macafe | How I can find all files im my directory with name is in latin-1? Example: "Cópia"... find | egrep [?????] |
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| 20:47.57 | SparFux | Arelis: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 20:48.07 | SparFux | Arelis: It will remove hold state. |
| 20:48.07 | Arelis | SparFux: no, i want to keep the k7 kernel |
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| 20:48.40 | SparFux | Arelis: well, k7 won't be affected. Both will be installed, I think. |
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| 20:48.55 | Arelis | SparFux: i can have two kernels at once? |
| 20:49.02 | Arelis | SparFux: it messes with fglrx though |
| 20:49.08 | SparFux | Arelis: Yes. Use grub or the like to select which one to boot. |
| 20:49.10 | wols_ | Arelis: you can yes |
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| 20:49.29 | StylusEater | I've tried and tried to get cakephp to work with mod_rewrite on debian etch with apache2... despite what I do, it doesn't work. any hints other than ask the cakephp folks? I've done a2enmod rewrite, checked if it's loaded with lsof, and verified my config |
| 20:49.32 | tralalaptop | Arelis: that would depend on the definition of "have" |
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| 20:49.38 | Arelis | wols_: so it's safe to install that package? |
| 20:49.45 | SparFux | Arelis: plus, it is good to install several kernels to have a fallback in case one isn't bootable anymore. |
| 20:49.46 | wols_ | Arelis: yes |
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| 20:50.00 | SparFux | Arelis: I have more kernels. |
| 20:50.02 | Arelis | alright, i'll log out of X then and install it |
| 20:50.04 | Arelis | be right back |
| 20:50.07 | wols_ | Arelis: you need to update kernels in any case: remmeber the local root exploit in -5 |
| 20:50.11 | SparFux | vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-amd64 and vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 20:50.15 | ftp3 | how do I set grub to boot the kernel I choose? |
| 20:50.18 | Arelis | wols_: yeah but i have a k7 kernel |
| 20:50.19 | ftp3 | automagically |
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| 20:50.34 | SparFux | Arelis: you cann install 486, 686, k7 all at the same time. |
| 20:50.56 | SparFux | Of course you have to choose one of them to boot, but you have the choice. installing at once isn't any problem! |
| 20:51.10 | tralalaptop | ftp3: try reconfiguring/reinstalling the relevant package |
| 20:51.11 | o2T7 | wols_: ntfsresize seems to be doing the job ;) |
| 20:51.22 | TigerTjader | I installed ipmasq and dnsmasq to turn this machine into a router for my network, it works for some sites, but must won't open |
| 20:51.37 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.49 | wols_ | so you don't run a k7 kernel |
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| 20:54.39 | hardbop200 | hello all - how do I apply a patch that is in diff.gz format to a vanilla kernel source? |
| 20:55.04 | hardbop200 | specifically, I am trying to apply the latest unionfs to a vanilla 2.6.24.3 tree |
| 20:55.05 | ryty_ | hardbop200: first, gunzip it. |
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| 20:55.32 | hardbop200 | ryty_: OK, I've done that part, leaving me a .diff file |
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| 20:55.46 | ryty_ | okay, now, just follow normal patching procedures |
| 20:56.10 | hardbop200 | patch -p1 < unionfs.diff? |
| 20:56.20 | ryty_ | http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/tuning/kernelpatch.shtml |
| 20:56.49 | hardbop200 | ahh, thank you! I was hoping for some doc. thank you very much for the help. |
| 20:56.53 | ryty_ | np |
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| 20:57.21 | Arelis | it all works fine now |
| 20:57.32 | Arelis | video card, audio, xorg, kernel |
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| 20:57.47 | ryty_ | Arelis: now install beryl. :-D |
| 20:57.47 | Arelis | oh, and i had to report.. |
| 20:57.56 | Arelis | ryty_: the ati drivers don't support that |
| 20:58.04 | ryty_ | ahh...flimsy ati |
| 20:58.17 | SparFux | where to configure to have rtc set to utc? |
| 20:58.39 | thecruftyprogram | man hwclock |
| 20:58.51 | thecruftyprogram | or |
| 20:58.54 | thecruftyprogram | man date |
| 20:58.57 | thecruftyprogram | both as root |
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| 20:59.55 | hardbop200 | ryty_: the doc worked perfectly, thanks again. |
| 21:00.01 | ryty_ | np |
| 21:00.05 | hardbop200 | exit |
| 21:00.08 | hardbop200 | lol |
| 21:00.09 | hardbop200 | oops |
| 21:00.12 | meandrain | hello. I've installed f-prot and now everytime i run |
| 21:00.19 | meandrain | sorry |
| 21:00.25 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 21:00.40 | meandrain | hello. I've installed f-prot and now everytime i run 'apt-get install package' i get a blue screen with menu to install fprot |
| 21:00.47 | meandrain | any idea how to remove that? |
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| 21:01.00 | thecruftyprogram | dpkg --reconfigure fprot? |
| 21:01.01 | meandrain | it happends no matter what package i try to install |
| 21:01.18 | valdyn | meandrain: dpkg-reconfigure fprot |
| 21:01.35 | valdyn | or f-prot |
| 21:01.47 | valdyn | no such package in debian |
| 21:02.09 | meandrain | ./usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: f-prot-installer is broken or not fully installed |
| 21:02.32 | meandrain | (was downloaded from their website, is not in package system) |
| 21:02.34 | Ace2016 | how do i have xfs defragged every time my system is started up, for example i could use this for a non mounted partition: xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/sd?? |
| 21:02.40 | valdyn | meandrain: ask them then |
| 21:02.47 | thecruftyprogram | apt-get install clamav ;-) |
| 21:02.53 | valdyn | meandrain: maybe its not for your debian release, maybe f-prot just sucks |
| 21:02.55 | Ace2016 | i want a non fragmented partition |
| 21:03.07 | Ace2016 | my root partition is already 18% fragmented |
| 21:03.08 | Ace2016 | :( |
| 21:03.08 | valdyn | Ace2016: why the hell? |
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| 21:03.25 | valdyn | Ace2016: thats a complete was of time and energy |
| 21:03.26 | Ace2016 | to unfragment everything bit by bit on every reboot |
| 21:03.27 | meandrain | <thecruftyprogram> yes but when i do that it still appear blue screen with menu to instal f-prot :) |
| 21:03.39 | Ace2016 | valdyn: its my time and i can do whatever i want with it :) |
| 21:03.45 | valdyn | Ace2016: but you could just use xfs_fsr while its mounted |
| 21:03.58 | Ace2016 | too slow, and i want a proper defrag |
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| 21:04.13 | thecruftyprogram | apt-get remove f-prot && apt-get install f-prot (something similar...) |
| 21:04.30 | meandrain | http://www.pastebin.ca/932596 |
| 21:04.56 | Arelis | i'm trying to use Debian Unofficial (!debian-unofficial) but i get a GPG key error. How can i add the key>? |
| 21:05.00 | thecruftyprogram | select install later from the f-prot menu |
| 21:05.25 | tralalaptop | Ace2016: modern filesystems are designed in a way to prevent fragmentation |
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| 21:05.49 | tralalaptop | Ace2016: also how did you figure out that it's fragmented? |
| 21:05.51 | Supaplex | Arelis: /topic |
| 21:05.54 | Ace2016 | <sarcasm> yes well its doing a very good job </sarcasm></Ace2016> |
| 21:05.58 | Ace2016 | :D |
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| 21:06.11 | LimCore | hello |
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| 21:06.13 | Ace2016 | tralalaptop: i run fsck on every boot and that tells me |
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| 21:06.19 | valdyn | like "18% fragmented means anything" |
| 21:06.44 | Ace2016 | it means a lot more seeks for my poor hard disk |
| 21:06.56 | tralalaptop | Ace2016: you could try to search for defragmentation tools, but those mostly died out after the FAT days |
| 21:06.59 | valdyn | like "a lot" means anything |
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| 21:07.16 | lastpak | hi all, can anyone tell me ;kstreamripper , is it:functional,fine for in a grafical enviroment ore great...feel free to improvice |
| 21:07.17 | valdyn | probably 100010 instead of 100000 |
| 21:07.25 | Arelis | Supaplex: i added the key listed but it still gives the error |
| 21:07.48 | valdyn | xfs does have at least 2 defrag tools |
| 21:07.51 | Arelis | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 394D199524C52AC3 |
| 21:07.52 | Ace2016 | So anyway how do i do the whole defragging thing? |
| 21:08.04 | valdyn | now Ace2016 just needs to figure out how to add that to his init scripts |
| 21:08.06 | Ace2016 | yea i want to use xfs_db with frag |
| 21:08.13 | Supaplex | Arelis: why on earth are we responsible for -unoffical? |
| 21:08.16 | wols_ | Ace2016: what FS? |
| 21:08.19 | Ace2016 | XFS |
| 21:08.42 | Arelis | Supaplex: you are not, but i did this: |
| 21:08.43 | Arelis | [21:59] <dpkg> hmm... libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling CSS-encrypted DVD-s which is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To get it, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or ask me about <debian-unofficial> |
| 21:08.43 | Arelis | [22:00] <Arelis> debian-unofficial |
| 21:08.43 | Arelis | [22:00] <dpkg> well, debian-unofficial is a repository of unofficial packages, not distributed within Debian due to licensing restrictions or political reasons. Installation instructions are at http://www.debian-unofficial.org/installation.html |
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| 21:08.53 | Arelis | oops, paste too long. |
| 21:08.55 | wols_ | Ace2016: xfs_fsr |
| 21:09.16 | wols_ | !tell Arelis about dmm |
| 21:09.19 | tralalaptop | Arelis: you failed to read the readme, didn't you? |
| 21:09.20 | Supaplex | ahh. i'm going blind over all these alternate repos etc. |
| 21:09.27 | Ace2016 | wols_: no i want to run XPtattoof80b2 |
| 21:09.43 | Ace2016 | wols_: i mean i want to run xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/sd?? |
| 21:09.45 | Ace2016 | on startup |
| 21:09.57 | wols_ | Ace2016: then do it? |
| 21:10.01 | Arelis | tralalaptop: what readme? the one about libdvdcss? said i should use debian-unofficial or compile from source |
| 21:10.05 | valdyn | Ace2016: so modify or add init script, theres a readme in /etc/init.d/ |
| 21:10.06 | Ace2016 | but how ? |
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| 21:10.39 | Ace2016 | init script needs to launch xfs_db, on the root partition, and i want xfs_db to defrag the root partition before it gets mounted |
| 21:10.46 | Ace2016 | so its like the ckicken and the egg thing |
| 21:10.50 | valdyn | Ace2016: mind, your defrag needs to run before / is mounted, so you probably need to add everything needed to run xfs_db to your initrd |
| 21:10.57 | Ace2016 | if the system is mounted i can't frag it |
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| 21:11.08 | Ace2016 | if it isn't mounted, the fragging tool can't be read |
| 21:11.13 | Justin | Ace2016: i'm sure the init script does not need to launch xfs_db |
| 21:11.20 | Justin | Ace2016: run it form single user mode |
| 21:11.24 | valdyn | Ace2016: ops, yea, so theres the initrd that you need to modify to handle this |
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| 21:11.35 | frog_ | hi, how can i extract the pictures from oowriter or shown them in a orygi. size |
| 21:11.37 | Ace2016 | so single user mode can unmount / ? |
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| 21:11.52 | Justin | Ace2016: you can mount it read only, which should be enough, no? |
| 21:11.54 | thecruftyprogram | Ace, have you considered something like a rescue disk? run debian in rescue mode, mount the filesystem, copy the tool to the ramdisk used by the rescue, umount, then defrag? |
| 21:11.56 | tralalaptop | Arelis: the one from the factoid. It doesn't say anything like this. |
| 21:12.03 | valdyn | Ace2016: initrd comes before / is mounted |
| 21:12.31 | wols_ | xfs_fsr works fine on mounted diska... |
| 21:12.46 | Arelis | tralalaptop: I quote: * Install the packages from <http://www.debian-unofficial.org/>. |
| 21:12.49 | valdyn | wols_: he thinks its not real, he doesnt like it |
| 21:12.55 | Ace2016 | ok what about, i make 2 installs of linux, one starts, defrags the disk, then edits my boot.ini, then on reboot it goes into debian and on shutdown boot.ini is replaced to point back at the other parition which checkes the system? |
| 21:13.07 | valdyn | Ace2016: silly |
| 21:13.09 | Ace2016 | wols_: that is really really slow |
| 21:13.14 | Ace2016 | really really really slow |
| 21:13.20 | Ace2016 | why silly? |
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| 21:13.25 | wols_ | valdyn: he IS a very silly person... so it maybe fits? :) |
| 21:13.31 | Tramp | Ace2016: Do you have any hard data (I mean except anecdotes and FUD), that FS reorganization has any notable impact on anything? |
| 21:13.34 | valdyn | wols_: /nod |
| 21:13.38 | Supaplex | Ace2016: I think you're wasting more time defragging than you'd gain from unfragmented fs |
| 21:13.41 | valdyn | Ace2016: because stuff like that is done from the initrd |
| 21:13.56 | Ace2016 | Tramp: yes, XFS can be defragged, ext? cannot, therefor xfs wins |
| 21:14.03 | valdyn | hahahah |
| 21:14.09 | thecruftyprogram | ext2 can be defraged |
| 21:14.13 | thecruftyprogram | but the tool to do it is old |
| 21:14.16 | Arelis | wols_: thanks, debian multimedia did the trick |
| 21:14.17 | Ace2016 | Supaplex: not for speed improvements i just like things not to be fragmented, its nicer that way |
| 21:14.28 | valdyn | Ace2016: defragging can be done for ANY fs, but no one does it |
| 21:14.37 | Supaplex | !defrag |
| 21:14.38 | dpkg | methinks defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 21:14.46 | Tramp | Ace2016: well, it can be reorganized, but why do you assume that it has any impact on performance? |
| 21:14.52 | Ace2016 | Anyone here work for hp? i need to find out about something called tattooing |
| 21:15.13 | Ace2016 | Tramp: because to read one file it needs more than one seek |
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| 21:15.37 | Supaplex | Ace2016: we have disk cache for that |
| 21:16.01 | Tramp | Ace2016: Check e.g. this: http://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2006/ols2006v1-pages-193-208.pdf. Things are complicated. |
| 21:16.02 | Arelis | the dvd's playing! |
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| 21:16.05 | Ace2016 | so the kernel is like, get me that file now, and the hard disk is like oh ok hang on a minute, then its all over the place and the poor hard disk has to run around finding all the bits |
| 21:16.08 | longin | hello |
| 21:16.27 | Ace2016 | Hi |
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| 21:16.37 | valdyn | Ace2016: you have messed up understanding of this, it doesnt work that way |
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| 21:16.55 | valdyn | Ace2016: there's readahead, there's the typical huge caches |
| 21:17.08 | Ace2016 | i'm getting more ram too |
| 21:17.15 | Supaplex | Ace2016: the VFS is pretty optimal. if XFS is more fragmented than you expect, 1. quit filling it up so full 2. use some other fs that pre-fragments less. 3. find some hard numbers. |
| 21:17.16 | Ace2016 | but thats just for suspend to ram |
| 21:17.19 | Ezep | How could I do that when I install something, don't modify my menu (fluxbox)= |
| 21:17.21 | Ezep | ? |
| 21:17.25 | Ace2016 | i plan to never ever shut down the system ever |
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| 21:17.47 | Supaplex | !ext3 vs reiserfs |
| 21:17.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ext3 vs reiserfs is http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/ext3_vs_reiserfs-1.php |
| 21:17.51 | longin | i am just trying to install nvidia drivers for GT8800 but it says i need kernel sources for currently running kernel, how do i install it please? i think i remember its in repository, but dont remember name and ,aptitude search kernel, havent helped me ... |
| 21:17.51 | valdyn | Ezep: you want to use a custom menu? |
| 21:17.56 | Ezep | Yeah |
| 21:18.04 | Supaplex | that url has execellent backing on comparing filesystem speeds, regardless of the filesystem in use |
| 21:18.13 | longin | Ace2016: :-) |
| 21:18.26 | valdyn | Ezep: you should read the fluxbox documentation as to where custom menus are stored |
| 21:18.46 | Supaplex | Ace2016: we'd like an xfs vs ext3 report similar to the url dpkg stated, sometime next week. |
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| 21:18.59 | Ezep | I know how to, but apt-get modify it valdyn :-/ |
| 21:19.08 | Ace2016 | cool who is making it? |
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| 21:19.17 | Supaplex | Ace2016: you |
| 21:19.17 | Lanoxx | hi all |
| 21:19.19 | Ace2016 | oh |
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| 21:19.44 | thecruftyprogram | http://oss.sgi.com/archives/xfs/2003-02/msg00441.html for a biased account of XFS vs ext3 |
| 21:19.57 | valdyn | Ezep: no it doesnt modify your custom menu when its stored at ~/ |
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| 21:20.15 | thecruftyprogram | xfs is good if you have decent CPU power to throw at it |
| 21:20.19 | thecruftyprogram | and/or large files |
| 21:20.20 | valdyn | Ezep: and you arent supposed to change /var/ stuff or wherever that menu is stored |
| 21:20.23 | Farhadix | hi guys, anyone knows an email client that can groups email with same subject like Gmail webmail client? |
| 21:20.26 | Ace2016 | yes and yes |
| 21:20.28 | Anonissimus | ok, anyone got some time to help me out of this mess: I installed debian and gnome, and tried to install madwifi |
| 21:20.32 | Lanoxx | i have used ubuntu and now im currently using gentoo, i would like to try debian, but im unsure which release to install, if i would want to have the most resent versions like kernel 2.6.24 and xorg 7.3 kde 4 etc. what should i choose? |
| 21:20.54 | Ace2016 | although after stage 6 shut down my video collection isn't going to go up very fast |
| 21:21.05 | Ezep | valdyn: but that menu only modify some part of the menu, not all, the complete menu is stored in /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu :S |
| 21:21.09 | valdyn | Ezep: unfortunately i dont know fluxblox so i cant tell you specifics, but that was the general idea on how this works |
| 21:21.14 | thecruftyprogram | Lanoxx, Debian tends to be a little "older" with software because of the way it approaches its concept of "Stable". You might want to look at Debian "Unstable" |
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| 21:21.30 | StylusEater | Ezeip: should modify ~/.fluxbox/menu |
| 21:21.38 | StylusEater | Ezep: after copying |
| 21:21.50 | Ezep | valdyn: I think that is a problem of apt |
| 21:21.54 | valdyn | Ezep: no |
| 21:22.01 | Ezep | StylusEater: read up plz |
| 21:22.16 | Ace2016 | apt doesn't touch the user configs afaik |
| 21:22.16 | Lanoxx | thecruftyprogram, thanks, what about testing? and about unstable, is it really unstable, or just soso? |
| 21:22.18 | valdyn | Ezep: debian has a menu package that autogenerates menus |
| 21:22.31 | Ezep | valdyn: that is I wanna disable |
| 21:22.36 | StylusEater | Ezep: :-) |
| 21:22.39 | valdyn | Ezep: remove it |
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| 21:23.30 | valdyn | Ezep: or read the docs to menu, it _also_ supports the modifications you want to do |
| 21:24.04 | valdyn | Ezep: it keeps _all_ WM menus in sync, not just fluxbox. Choice which you want to use is yours |
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| 21:24.53 | thecruftyprogram | irk, I always get the two confused. You want testing. :) not unstable |
| 21:24.55 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how to dimm/ turn off the monitor? |
| 21:25.00 | Ace2016 | on a laptop |
| 21:25.06 | thecruftyprogram | whichever one is not "sid" and not "stable" is what you want. :) |
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| 21:25.10 | Ace2016 | i think its done with software |
| 21:25.20 | Ezep | valdyn: thx, reading the docs :-) |
| 21:25.22 | Ace2016 | you mean lenny? |
| 21:25.29 | thecruftyprogram | yup |
| 21:25.32 | Lanoxx | thecruftyprogram, ok. so could i say testing is for those that want new software while unstalbe is developers only? |
| 21:26.08 | valdyn | Lanoxx: no, testing isnt made for that, but it works for that |
| 21:26.10 | thecruftyprogram | Lanoxx, yes. Testing may have bugs in it, be prepared. Stable is just that - VERY stable. That's also why Stable tends to be 1-2 releases behind, because all of the bugs are worked out by then. |
| 21:26.33 | thecruftyprogram | yes = yes use it, but valdyn is right, don't use it for the latest |
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| 21:27.18 | Ace2016 | ok its time to test out qtcurve again, bye all |
| 21:27.47 | thecruftyprogram | Let's just say it's a bit different from the other distros. It won't be like U-bun-whatzit and come in a workstation or server flavor. It also won't have "preview releases" or other fluff. |
| 21:28.25 | Arelis | i'm playing a music dvd on my computer but it sounds like it doesn't have any bass in it. can i change some settings to bring more volume into it? |
| 21:28.33 | Lanoxx | how easy is it to mix different releases, im used from gentoo that i can install packages marked as testing or masked, so then i install lenny would i be able to upgrade to what ever i feel suit s me, or am i bound to the repository? |
| 21:28.33 | DanglyBits | how do install kde 4.0.2 into debian lenny? |
| 21:28.37 | thecruftyprogram | BTW, I'm not a dev, just a regular user. |
| 21:29.18 | longin | So thanks for your help |
| 21:29.29 | valdyn | Lanoxx: you can do the same as in gentoo, however its in debian a requirement that you "backport" the package, which basically is a recompile |
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| 21:29.34 | thecruftyprogram | you can mix releases but it's not recommended. The installer system tracks versions and dependencies across releases, so you can pull testing into a stable build if you like, but .... |
| 21:29.42 | valdyn | Lanoxx: which makes it quite similar to gentoo in that aspect i guess |
| 21:29.53 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 21:29.54 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 21:29.57 | thecruftyprogram | ... understand that it will pull any dependencies from testing as well, which can cause other things to break, sometimes badly. Be prepared. |
| 21:29.58 | valdyn | Lanoxx: ^^^^ |
| 21:30.10 | phorce1 | I may start a holy war here but I need suggestions. What is the best Xwindowed email client in the pool for working with IMAP? I don't care about local mail folders, pop3 or anything else, just *PROPER* handlng of IMAP (eg. it better not try to download local copies of all the mail on my IMAP server like M$ Outlook does) |
| 21:30.13 | longin | could tell me its called linux source in debian ... |
| 21:30.39 | valdyn | phorce1: plenty good mail clients |
| 21:30.48 | thecruftyprogram | probably Thunderbird aka IceDove...if you don't mind a heavier footprint |
| 21:30.59 | thecruftyprogram | lots of good CLI oriented readers too |
| 21:31.20 | valdyn | phorce1: i prefer sylpheed |
| 21:31.29 | thecruftyprogram | >.> |
| 21:31.31 | thecruftyprogram | <.< |
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| 21:31.42 | thecruftyprogram | (just go with what makes you happy. :) |
| 21:31.43 | valdyn | evolution trash |
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| 21:31.56 | grendal_prime | i got a situation where i want to offer the users shell acounts, but i dont want them to be able to see the other users in the home dir how would i go about doing that? |
| 21:32.00 | thecruftyprogram | evo trash, or evo IS trash? |
| 21:32.08 | valdyn | thecruftyprogram: oh, IS trash |
| 21:32.14 | thecruftyprogram | LMAO |
| 21:32.16 | phorce1 | thecruftyprogram: I'm avoiding CLI because of the volume (and the problems breaking the habits of some people sending in oddbal formats that are better viewed graphically) |
| 21:32.20 | valdyn | for lage mailing lists it is anyway. |
| 21:32.25 | phorce1 | thecruftyprogram: I used mutt for a while |
| 21:32.26 | grendal_prime | remove executable on the home dir |
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| 21:32.50 | valdyn | phorce1: i think you want to use a client that fits into your desktop environment |
| 21:32.51 | thecruftyprogram | if you clone lookout you get...a clone of lookout ;-) have a friend trying Evo and loves it, but of course he loves Lookout too...no suprise. |
| 21:33.11 | phorce1 | valdyn: I tried sylpheed a while back. May have another look. I've been using Mahogany but I cant get a clean compile on lenny right now and its driving me nuts. |
| 21:33.17 | valdyn | thecruftyprogram: its gets exponentially slower the bigger mailboxes are |
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| 21:33.25 | valdyn | thecruftyprogram: but for low traffic it might be ok |
| 21:33.33 | thecruftyprogram | I have some 50,000 emails in Tbird and it handles well, but that's as a Windoz client |
| 21:33.47 | valdyn | thecruftyprogram: tbird is ok with those |
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| 21:33.53 | thecruftyprogram | valdyn - what is your IMAP backend? |
| 21:33.55 | Lanoxx | thecruftyprogram, valdyn, ok i think im gonna try it and see for my self, thanks for your help |
| 21:34.01 | valdyn | thecruftyprogram: dovecot |
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| 21:34.28 | thecruftyprogram | using dovecot here on CentOS - working fine with about 500,000 stored emails for 45+ users |
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| 21:34.50 | thecruftyprogram | worst case is a box with about 20,000+ messages |
| 21:35.02 | thecruftyprogram | a certain unnamed user :0 |
| 21:35.22 | thecruftyprogram | who doesn't organize mail...takes a few minutes to index/download headers but works fine after that. |
| 21:35.53 | valdyn | lkml is already 31xxx mails this year |
| 21:36.23 | thecruftyprogram | volume here is really really low - about 5,000 a day |
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| 21:36.48 | thecruftyprogram | about 600,000-800,000 yearly |
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| 21:37.05 | phorce1 | thecruftyprogram: yeah, evolution was an instant bust. Fired it up and it started pulling mail to local folders. I do my email from MANY machines, I don't need that |
| 21:37.21 | blueD | I know how to make a shortkey in fluxbox, but how should I do it with a program in wine? |
| 21:37.35 | phorce1 | (gimme a sec to catch up, customer called me away from the screen <grin>) |
| 21:37.45 | thecruftyprogram | phorce1, you might want to give "IceDove" a spin, it's a rebadged TBird. It handles multiple email accounts properly, I've been using it for about 2 years. |
| 21:38.48 | sepski | phorce1, evolution can do both pop and imap like any other client. not it's fault that you fail in configuring it. you can alse use icedove, if you use kde you should try kmail also |
| 21:39.16 | valdyn | sepski: its very slow for large mailboxes, thats not configuration issue |
| 21:39.48 | phorce1 | thecruftyprogram: How about multiple "identities" and the ability to set your Sender: header? And the ability to assign a separate identity to each folder even under a single usernamed account? ---- crap, I guess I need to work harder at getting Mahogany compiled. |
| 21:39.48 | sepski | valdyn, probably not using a local index, but that's a religious war |
| 21:40.00 | mirak | wols_: I found a solution. it's to install kpartx , then run it on /dev/loop0 and it creates devices in /dev/mapper |
| 21:41.25 | sepski | valdyn, can ofcourse just be slow too tho.. :) |
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| 21:42.10 | valdyn | sepski: its so slow when accessing huge mailboxes for the first time and crashes, that it doesnt get far enough to generate indexes |
| 21:42.47 | valdyn | sepski: but i havent tried it for a year, so that could have changed |
| 21:42.52 | sepski | valdyn, not experienced that myself. i guess i have to small boxes |
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| 21:42.57 | thecruftyprogram | phorce1 - yes it supports different identities, but only by account |
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| 21:43.09 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 21:43.12 | thecruftyprogram | you can also change the identity on the outgoing despite the account with a single pulldown |
| 21:43.23 | phorce1 | valdyn: Mahogany gets a bit slow when mailboxes go over 30,000 or 40,000 emails. But I sort mine into monthly archives to keep the number down |
| 21:43.25 | SamuraiDio | is there how to make iceweasel identifies like firefox? |
| 21:43.30 | thecruftyprogram | it's a middle-of-the road solution, won't have all bells and whistles |
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| 21:44.14 | drcode | i all |
| 21:44.29 | drcode | Is there way to use x11 forward with freenx? |
| 21:44.52 | valdyn | drcode: you dont make sense |
| 21:45.05 | valdyn | drcode: freenx is its own display protocol, its just not X |
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| 21:45.10 | drcode | I know freenx has best preformance |
| 21:45.18 | drcode | k |
| 21:45.35 | drcode | I can open appliction like in x11 forward? |
| 21:45.48 | valdyn | drcode: no |
| 21:45.58 | Justin | valdyn: sure you can |
| 21:46.07 | Justin | nx can do rootless applications |
| 21:46.07 | drcode | k |
| 21:46.17 | valdyn | Justin: ops |
| 21:46.25 | thecruftyprogram | Samuraidio - look into the UserAgent extension at the mozilla page |
| 21:46.31 | drcode | is there way to use ssh with x11 forward and get best preformance? |
| 21:46.38 | drcode | like in freenx? |
| 21:46.40 | sepski | drcode, you can define the command to run (application) inside the nxclient |
| 21:46.42 | Justin | ssh -XC usually works pretty well |
| 21:46.42 | thecruftyprogram | yeah - VNC |
| 21:46.49 | Justin | drcode: uhh, why don't you just use freenx? |
| 21:46.55 | valdyn | drcode: look at what Justin said |
| 21:46.56 | thecruftyprogram | VNC over SSH with compression is what he needs |
| 21:47.11 | thecruftyprogram | costs nothing, supports multiple sessions, etc. |
| 21:47.22 | thecruftyprogram | but it won't do independent windows like what he wants :( |
| 21:47.25 | drcode | k |
| 21:47.27 | drcode | thanx Justin |
| 21:47.28 | phorce1 | I'll pull IceDove and have a look as a stopgap while I try to beat Mahogany into submission. I need to clean up my wxwidgets headers and figure out which ones it REALLY wants for the compile. |
| 21:47.32 | drcode | I will try it |
| 21:47.42 | thecruftyprogram | drcode - |
| 21:47.54 | thecruftyprogram | you will need to read the dox on how to set up a vnc server through xinetd |
| 21:47.56 | thecruftyprogram | to get what you want |
| 21:48.22 | thecruftyprogram | then connect via SSH, vnc to 127.0.0.1:1 and you should get a session, including the XDM/GDM/KDM greeter |
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| 21:50.21 | Eulex | is there any good program in debian for visualizing dependencies/drawing dependency graphs? |
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| 21:51.25 | drcode | how much bandwith take ssh -XC vs nxclient? |
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| 21:52.34 | Miesco | How do I change my default browser... sensible-browser... |
| 21:52.50 | wols_ | aupdate-rc.d |
| 21:52.53 | wols_ | update-rc.d |
| 21:53.41 | Miesco | wols_: I dont have it |
| 21:53.47 | drcode | sepski: U mean I can tell nxclient to run appliction like in X11 forward without all window? |
| 21:53.52 | wols_ | I do not believe you |
| 21:54.00 | sepski | drcode, yes |
| 21:54.18 | wols_ | damn me. wrong command. it's update-alternatives |
| 21:54.21 | wols_ | brainfairt :( |
| 21:54.21 | drcode | sepski: I want to run just tunderbird |
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| 21:54.44 | drcode | wow nice, I can use freenx , it just depent to nxclient? |
| 21:54.46 | craigevil | update-alternatives -config sensible-browser |
| 21:54.54 | sepski | drcode, you start nxclient. press configure. selecy unix - custome and settings, and write thunderbird in the command to run |
| 21:54.59 | sepski | drcode, i just use imap... |
| 21:55.11 | Miesco | wols_: Is there a GUI? |
| 21:55.11 | drcode | k |
| 21:55.12 | drcode | thanx |
| 21:55.16 | drcode | I will check it out |
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| 21:55.39 | thecruftyprogram | (going into crufty mode) GUI? GUI!!!? Damn kids, get of my lawn! |
| 21:55.41 | drcode | sepski: I also can run multi applictons? |
| 21:55.54 | drcode | like tuneribird and firefox? |
| 21:55.58 | thecruftyprogram | I think there is |
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| 21:56.01 | thecruftyprogram | actually yes there is |
| 21:56.21 | sepski | drcode, i just run konsole as the fiers app. and then start the programs i want |
| 21:56.34 | sepski | drcode, or you can do multiple nx sessions if you want to |
| 21:56.35 | drcode | k |
| 21:56.37 | drcode | thanx |
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| 21:57.54 | Miesco | How do I make iceweasel my default browser |
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| 21:58.24 | sepski | Miesco, perhaps you want update-alternatives ? |
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| 21:58.45 | Miesco | sepski: Well okay but what runs iceweasel |
| 21:59.01 | sepski | Miesco, depends on the circumstance |
| 21:59.06 | thecruftyprogram | Miesco, what desktop environment are you in? |
| 21:59.28 | drcode | If I want to install base X11 , what I need to install |
| 21:59.33 | Miesco | I got it |
| 21:59.39 | drcode | I dont want to install kde or gnome |
| 21:59.46 | Miesco | I just did update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 21:59.47 | drcode | I want to use minimum x |
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| 22:00.17 | enouf | !set up x |
| 22:00.18 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 22:00.42 | Haris | guys, I'm trying to install the pecl package fileinfo. I'm getting the following error; http://pastebin.ca/932521 . I can't seem to get the dependency fulfilled |
| 22:00.57 | drcode | k |
| 22:01.00 | drcode | thnx |
| 22:01.16 | sepski | drcode, there is packages called x-window-system-core that you might look at |
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| 22:01.48 | thecruftyprogram | if you are in 4.0, running gnome, go to Desktop->Preferences->Preferred Applications for setting the browser...I'm sure the KDE folks have something similar |
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| 22:01.56 | sepski | drcode, nevermind you can use xorg directly |
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| 22:02.30 | Haris | here is the magic modules install status: http://pastebin.ca/932704 |
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| 22:02.39 | jso | Hey gang, anyone involved with the emdebian project? |
| 22:02.55 | Haris | Any ideas guys? |
| 22:03.02 | Haris | Need an insight into this |
| 22:03.36 | drcode | k |
| 22:03.37 | drcode | thnx |
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| 22:04.07 | Haris | it does nothing for libmagick |
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| 22:04.32 | Haris | libmagic1 is already installed. I tried aptitude reinstall libmagic1, that didn't help |
| 22:04.52 | Lectus | I'm finally running debian, and I love it |
| 22:05.08 | abrotman | you should write a song about it! |
| 22:05.28 | Lectus | lol |
| 22:05.36 | CalJohn | I burn a dual layer dvd with k3b and get this error; http://paste.lisp.org/display/56997. Anyone understand what's going on? |
| 22:05.56 | nohup_ | i got a really stupid question.. but i haven't seen my server boot in about a year, but i could swear it was using grub as bootloader.... (there is no /etc/grub/)... is there a way to check wether my box was booted using grub or lilo without rebooting ? |
| 22:06.08 | abrotman | nohup_: it's /boot/grub/ |
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| 22:06.22 | abrotman | nohup_: and does /etc/lilo.conf exist ? |
| 22:06.26 | nohup_ | oh yeah sorry, that's what i meant, it's not there :) |
| 22:06.35 | wols_ | nodpkg -l |grep grub |
| 22:06.39 | wols_ | dpkg -l |grep lilo |
| 22:06.40 | dpkg | ii |grep lilo 3.5-1.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 22:06.44 | nohup_ | yeah, lilo exists... but that might be because it's ancient |
| 22:06.59 | wols_ | then you use lilo |
| 22:07.07 | abrotman | nohup_: but if /boot/grub/ isn't there .. that's where grub lokos for its menu.lst in debian |
| 22:07.08 | wols_ | etch was the first dbeian to use grub by default |
| 22:07.13 | nohup_ | dpkg: pfff, thanks, i should've thought of that :) |
| 22:07.18 | nohup_ | ok |
| 22:07.21 | abrotman | dpkg: smile |
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| 22:07.21 | dpkg | :) |
| 22:07.26 | nohup_ | jezus... the thing is using lilo |
| 22:07.34 | abrotman | this is bad? |
| 22:07.35 | nohup_ | funny :) |
| 22:07.38 | wols_ | nohup_: search for files called "stage1" |
| 22:07.39 | nohup_ | nah |
| 22:07.46 | nohup_ | wols_: i did, it's not there either |
| 22:07.55 | wols_ | then no grub |
| 22:08.07 | nohup_ | but i thought i might just be using some weird boot partition that's not mounted or something... cause there's a ton of disks in the thing |
| 22:08.14 | nohup_ | but it's probably no grub indeed... |
| 22:08.46 | CalJohn | should I try #k3b? |
| 22:09.02 | nohup_ | so i must really be remembering what my box booting looked like ? :) it can't be caused by some apt-get upgrade, right ? :) |
| 22:09.15 | nohup_ | (just checking, cause i might have alzheimers otherwise) |
| 22:09.25 | abrotman | CalJohn: if it exists .. sure |
| 22:09.35 | Daveman | Hi Abrotman :) |
| 22:09.36 | abrotman | nohup_: huh ? |
| 22:09.41 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 22:09.50 | abrotman | you many dav* darn it |
| 22:09.53 | abrotman | too |
| 22:09.57 | abrotman | jeez |
| 22:10.14 | CalJohn | abrotman: this is a dvd, does that make a difference? |
| 22:10.23 | nohup_ | abrotman: there's no way apt has sometime found it necessary to replace grub with lilo ? :) |
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| 22:10.36 | Haris | no ideas/ |
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| 22:11.06 | abrotman | CalJohn: don't use k3b .. no idea |
| 22:11.17 | abrotman | nohup_: uh .. no .. that'd be a bit vicious |
| 22:11.26 | nohup_ | yeah, that's what i thought :) |
| 22:11.30 | Haris | configure: error: Please reinstall the libmagic distribution <- how do I do this? |
| 22:11.30 | k-man | i'm trying to add a command to sudoers that won't require a password, but this doesn't seem to work |
| 22:11.41 | k-man | jason ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/ls |
| 22:11.45 | nohup_ | abrotman: well thanks, i guess i'm gonna go see a doctor or something then :) |
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| 22:12.07 | abrotman | nohup_: enjoy |
| 22:12.11 | k-man | any idea what I am doing wrong? |
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| 22:12.41 | Haris | I have tried this -> aptitude purge libmagic1; aptitude clean; aptitude reinstall libmagic1 and this -> aptitude install libmagick |
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| 22:12.49 | enouf | Eulex: only thing that comes to mind, offhand is apt-get rdepends (and apt-cache depends) |
| 22:13.09 | Kikkoman | Does anyone have a better IRC client than Xchat? mIRC + wine has been tried and it isn't stable enough. |
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| 22:13.37 | craigevil | Kikkoman: define "better" |
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| 22:13.47 | Eulex | enouf, sorry, I guess I was a little unclear. I don't mean for dependencies in debian, I mean for 'dependencies in general', like for the source files in my current project |
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| 22:13.59 | Kikkoman | Perhaps, easier to use, greater functionality, similar user interface |
| 22:14.07 | nohup_ | i still use BitchX, but that's only cause i'm rusty :) it's probably the worst client out there :) |
| 22:14.28 | Kikkoman | :p |
| 22:14.31 | enouf | Eulex: now i have less of a clue :-p |
| 22:14.42 | Kikkoman | I actually use Irssi at my school (windows) because it is the only client available |
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| 22:15.30 | nohup_ | i didn't even know there was a windows port for irssi |
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| 22:15.50 | Kikkoman | Yeah, irssi.com has ports for quite a few distros, mac, and linux |
| 22:15.52 | Kikkoman | windows* |
| 22:16.12 | wols_ | irssi.COM? |
| 22:16.17 | nohup_ | okay :) |
| 22:16.43 | lex | may be .org? |
| 22:16.53 | Kikkoman | Irssi.something, I don't memorize the whole outdated IRC client websites |
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| 22:18.06 | wols_ | irssi.org |
| 22:18.08 | wols_ | !irssi |
| 22:18.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 22:18.20 | wols_ | see the "best" there? it's true! |
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| 22:21.15 | orudie | how would i add a standard user ? |
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| 22:21.59 | wols_ | adduser |
| 22:22.03 | EruditeHermit | hi, when building a debian package and using uupdate -u <foosrc>, should it create new a new .dsc file for the source? |
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| 22:23.36 | dpx | I just did a net install of debian 4 and tried to add contrib and non-free to my sources.list file |
| 22:23.46 | dpx | now apt-get won't install any packages - even common ones like svn and openssl |
| 22:23.51 | dpx | what can I do to correct this? |
| 22:24.07 | wols_ | pastebnin your sources.list |
| 22:24.16 | dpx | I"m retarded it's subversion not svn |
| 22:24.26 | dpx | another question what is the sun java package name? |
| 22:24.33 | dpx | I'm adding atlassian to this install and need sun's java |
| 22:24.55 | Haris | what is the dev package for libmagic? |
| 22:24.57 | Lectus | how can I install nvidia driver on debian? |
| 22:24.59 | wols_ | !install java |
| 22:25.00 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
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| 22:25.06 | wols_ | !tell Lectus about nvidia |
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| 22:26.14 | madclicker | i ran "tasksel install kde-desktop" guess what I got gnome installed and kde. Thah\t is dumb |
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| 22:26.55 | Haris | got it |
| 22:27.03 | Haris | I didn't have the libmagic-dev package installed |
| 22:27.18 | enouf | madclicker: sounds like reportbug time |
| 22:28.24 | enouf | madclicker: especially considering there's a gnome-desktop-environment (or similar) one as well |
| 22:29.35 | EruditeHermit | hi, when building a debian package and using uupdate -u <foosrc>, should it create new a new .dsc file for the source? |
| 22:29.42 | EruditeHermit | err |
| 22:29.48 | EruditeHermit | sorry |
| 22:30.03 | EruditeHermit | didn't meant to ask twice |
| 22:30.09 | madclicker | enouf, is there a way to remove gnome with one command line? |
| 22:30.18 | enouf | !remove gnome |
| 22:30.19 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 22:30.32 | madclicker | hope it wont wipe the OS -_- |
| 22:30.44 | enouf | madclicker: i use apt-get with the -s option a lot |
| 22:31.38 | madclicker | make sense |
| 22:31.46 | madclicker | i will too :) |
| 22:33.00 | RichiH | i need a tool to check a new USB stick for errors |
| 22:33.16 | wols_ | RichiH: what kind of errors? |
| 22:33.18 | RichiH | with all the fake sticks in the news lately, i want to make triply sure :) |
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| 22:33.32 | wols_ | RichiH: heise.de has a tool |
| 22:33.42 | RichiH | wols_: preferably, it would fill the stick with sequential data one or five times |
| 22:33.46 | wols_ | supposedlly all fake sticks have been recalled |
| 22:33.49 | enouf | fake sticks? black market? |
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| 22:34.04 | RichiH | enouf: chinese fakes |
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| 22:34.19 | enouf | i see |
| 22:34.22 | wols_ | enouf: they sold 4GB stick with less than 4GB. the upper few GBs were "looped". |
| 22:34.32 | RichiH | i.e. data loss |
| 22:34.37 | wols_ | if if you used that space you'd overwrite other data at the beginning of the stick |
| 22:34.45 | enouf | omg |
| 22:34.47 | wols_ | neat racket |
| 22:34.56 | SerajewelKS | RichiH: it should not be too hard to write something like that... cat /dev/urandom | tee randomstuff > /dev/yourstick |
| 22:34.57 | RichiH | wols_: i pretty much trust the stick, but better safe than sorry :) |
| 22:35.04 | SerajewelKS | RichiH: then diff |
| 22:35.09 | wols_ | RichiH: as I said: heise.de has a tool |
| 22:35.19 | RichiH | SerajewelKS: my laptop does not have 8 gb free :) |
| 22:35.30 | RichiH | i can do a script with sequential stuff, of course |
| 22:35.39 | RichiH | but i am looking on heise.de, btw |
| 22:35.52 | lex | RichiH, find :delete anything :) |
| 22:35.55 | wols_ | might be a windows tool |
| 22:35.59 | dpx | !install mod_dav_svn |
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| 22:36.02 | SerajewelKS | RichiH: use tee to write into /dev/yourstick and a fifo, with md5sum on the other side of the fifo? |
| 22:36.12 | dpx | :( |
| 22:36.20 | dpx | anyone? mod_dav_svn for apache? |
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| 22:36.25 | SerajewelKS | or pipe through bzip |
| 22:36.33 | SerajewelKS | though random data doesn't compress well |
| 22:36.39 | enouf | copy a dvd movie to it, and try to play it :-P |
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| 22:37.17 | wols_ | RichiH: http://www.heise.de/software/download/h2testw/50539 |
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| 22:39.32 | Eulex | dpx, install it? configure it? or what? |
| 22:40.42 | RichiH | wols_: yah, found it. it's windows-only, though :/ |
| 22:42.01 | wols_ | roe: how big is your /usr ? |
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| 22:42.11 | wols_ | or: the biggest file you have on disk? |
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| 22:43.02 | wols_ | roe: copy it over repeatedly, different names each time. then run md5sum * on the directory. should be easy to spot if one md5 has is different |
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| 22:44.01 | enouf | wols_: wrong nick? |
| 22:44.09 | wols_ | enouf: as usual :P |
| 22:44.25 | enouf | hehe |
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| 22:44.36 | wols_ | RichiH: find the biggest file you have, copy it over repeatedly, different names each time. then run md5sum * on the directory. should be easy to spot if one md5 has is different |
| 22:45.20 | RichiH | wols_: well, if i bake my own, i will do dd on the raw device, just to be sure |
| 22:45.23 | thecruftyprogram | use dd to copy blocks, with up to a max of XXXXgb of data. If it fails before XXXX, then it is missing the additional storage; if it completes, it is fine. |
| 22:45.29 | RichiH | but i _know_ there are tools that can do that for me |
| 22:46.31 | wols_ | thecruftyprogram: it won't fail |
| 22:46.31 | wols_ | it just overwrites OTHER blocks |
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| 22:46.54 | thecruftyprogram | dd bs=8388608 count=1024 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/usb/yourstick or something like that for a 8Gb stick |
| 22:46.55 | dondelelcaro | who needs 4G of storage, anyway? |
| 22:47.05 | CartoonCat | How do you for apt to install a specific version of something? |
| 22:47.07 | dondelelcaro | thecruftyprogram: that won't work. |
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| 22:47.23 | CartoonCat | for/force |
| 22:47.29 | dondelelcaro | CartoonCat: foopackae=barversion; man apt-get. |
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| 22:47.45 | thecruftyprogram | why? if the write fails prematurely then it will terminate with less than 8gb |
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| 22:47.57 | dondelelcaro | thecruftyprogram: the point is that writes don't fail prematurely; they loop. |
| 22:48.00 | wols_ | thecruftyprogram: no |
| 22:48.00 | CartoonCat | i looked at man, totaly confusing looking ot me |
| 22:48.20 | thecruftyprogram | ah - the block addressing "loops" to the beginning of the stick I take it? or something like that? |
| 22:48.26 | dondelelcaro | CartoonCat: well, now that I've told you the answer, reread the manpage to find where it says the answer. Then you will become closer to enlightenment. |
| 22:48.35 | ghoul2083 | is there a way to start an Xserver on a machine without monitor? |
| 22:48.47 | dondelelcaro | ghoul2083: yes. |
| 22:48.55 | wols_ | ghoul2083: yes. xfvb for example |
| 22:49.08 | dondelelcaro | ghoul2083: assuming it has a video card, X doesn't detect if there's a monitor. (There are even ways of running it without a video card) |
| 22:49.09 | wols_ | doesn't even need a videocar |
| 22:49.10 | wols_ | d |
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| 22:51.02 | Fleck | after apt-get remove packages still is listed in dpkg -l, with rc at the beginning, what does rc mean? |
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| 22:51.08 | thecruftyprogram | dondelecaro - perhaps create a filesystem, run something like bonnie on it that fills it with data, then check for filesystem corruption after the run? |
| 22:51.21 | Eulex | Fleck, removed, configuration files still present |
| 22:51.26 | wols_ | that it was removed but not purged (config files still there) |
| 22:51.40 | Eulex | Fleck, the header of dpkg -l should (try to) tell you that |
| 22:51.40 | dkr | Fleck: look atfirst few lines of output, it has a legend |
| 22:51.48 | thecruftyprogram | after all, if the writes "loop" back into another area, then it will potentially overwrite data/directory structures, causing corruption |
| 22:52.03 | Fleck | ok how to remove configs? |
| 22:52.23 | dkr | aptitude purge package |
| 22:52.24 | dondelelcaro | thecruftyprogram: the suggestion we were making was to put big files on the disk, then check md5sum. |
| 22:52.34 | Eulex | !tell Fleck about purge |
| 22:52.37 | ghoul2083 | i get this error at last in Xorg.log |
| 22:52.42 | ghoul2083 | FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 22:52.43 | Eulex | dkr, that won't work when the package isn't installed |
| 22:52.47 | ignu | I installed the base system (Debian 4.0 r2) and booted to console. I edited sources.list to include contrib non-free then I ran 'aptitude install xorg fluxbox slim' How do I get my graphical environment running? |
| 22:52.48 | dondelelcaro | ghoul2083: that's not an error. |
| 22:52.58 | thecruftyprogram | or better yet, create a 3kbyte file of random data, write the file out to the limit of the filesystem, then run md5sum over each file. Each file will then return the same result- except the last one, because 3k is an odd number that won't fit evenly. If you get more than the last file corrupted, that would work, would it not? |
| 22:53.12 | enouf | iiuc, create 2 partitions (1st small), fill 1st with data, md5sum it ; then do your dd that starts at 2nd and fills ; .. but i just heard of this crap, so not sure |
| 22:53.19 | ghoul2083 | dondelelcaro why is the server then stopping right after start? |
| 22:53.20 | wols_ | thecruftyprogram: I already made that suggestion |
| 22:53.26 | thecruftyprogram | k, n/m :-) |
| 22:53.33 | Anonissimus | how comes that xserver doesn't start up at boot? |
| 22:53.42 | dondelelcaro | Anonissimus: because you haven't told it to? |
| 22:53.47 | Anonissimus | installed it over apt-get |
| 22:53.48 | dondelelcaro | ghoul2083: we'd have to see the whole logs to tell you what the problem is. |
| 22:53.54 | Anonissimus | doesn't do it automaticaly |
| 22:53.59 | dondelelcaro | Anonissimus: X only starts at boot if you've got a DM installed. |
| 22:54.00 | madclicker | hi, how do I change gnome to kde on startx? |
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| 22:54.08 | Anonissimus | h |
| 22:54.19 | dondelelcaro | Anonissimus: you probably want xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, or something similar. Now, you can just login and use startx, but it's up to you. |
| 22:54.23 | enouf | madclicker: startkde ? |
| 22:54.53 | thecruftyprogram | gnome: gnome-session, kde: startkde, I thought... |
| 22:54.56 | enouf | madclicker: your DM might play a role as well |
| 22:55.04 | Anonissimus | startx after logging in |
| 22:55.21 | thecruftyprogram | ah, have x come up from a CLI but only after login |
| 22:55.23 | enouf | !xsession |
| 22:55.23 | dpkg | xsession is, like, ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 22:55.58 | thecruftyprogram | Anon - add startx to your shell's startup script, that's the crude but easy way |
| 22:56.29 | enouf | with no DM, you can autostart it with .xinitrc, iinm |
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| 22:56.46 | enouf | exec startx in that file |
| 22:56.48 | Anonissimus | yeah quick and dirty way ... that was the last option |
| 22:59.22 | enouf | kind of OT, but i just saw the charlie rose broadcast http://www.techcrunch.com/ |
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| 23:02.13 | ignu | help an ignorant noob? How do I get my graphical environment running? I installed the base system (Debian 4.0 r2) and booted to console. I edited sources.list to include contrib non-free then I ran 'aptitude install xorg fluxbox slim' |
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| 23:02.48 | wols_ | ignu: startx |
| 23:03.14 | wols_ | ignu: /etc/init.d/slim start probably too |
| 23:03.15 | ignu | wols: thx much ... what'dya know, it worked :-) |
| 23:03.19 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:04.04 | ignu | wols, I don't understand, "start probably too" |
| 23:04.44 | Kikkoman | Can I run ubuntu programs on debian? |
| 23:04.51 | Kikkoman | It being debian-based and all |
| 23:04.52 | Kikkoman | >_> |
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| 23:06.36 | Supaplex | Kikkoman: no |
| 23:06.46 | Kikkoman | Ah, I didn't think so |
| 23:07.00 | dkr | most of the programs are exactly the same, you would just install them on debian from a debian repo |
| 23:07.01 | Kikkoman | May as well just compile from source |
| 23:07.01 | Kikkoman | :p |
| 23:07.09 | Supaplex | !bobbitt |
| 23:07.09 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 23:07.13 | Supaplex | :) |
| 23:07.26 | Eulex | Kikkoman, can: yes, should: no |
| 23:07.50 | Eulex | Kikkoman, at least not without knowing exactly what you're doing and being aware that it might break your system :) |
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| 23:08.17 | Supaplex | I've hosed a box that way before :P glad it was a testbox hehheh |
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| 23:08.33 | lynucs | hello |
| 23:08.37 | Kikkoman | Right |
| 23:08.38 | Kikkoman | Well |
| 23:08.56 | Kikkoman | I will just compile it, as opposed to possibly breaking a system |
| 23:09.09 | Eulex | Kikkoman, what application is this? |
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| 23:09.21 | Kikkoman | Compiz-fusion |
| 23:09.25 | Kikkoman | What once was "Beryl" |
| 23:09.37 | Kikkoman | http://releases.compiz-fusion.org/0.7.2/ I cannot figure out which one to download :| |
| 23:09.59 | enouf | !iyhtaa |
| 23:10.01 | enouf | !iyhta |
| 23:10.08 | enouf | nm :-P |
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| 23:10.40 | wols_ | !tell Kikkoman about simple sid backport |
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| 23:11.03 | Laser | lol |
| 23:11.19 | Kikkoman | ..Uh, I'm not on sid, I'm on etch ;A; |
| 23:11.28 | Kikkoman | That doesn't really answer my question, either |
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| 23:12.40 | ghoul2083 | so it |
| 23:13.10 | dondelelcaro | Kikkoman: it does, actually; compiz is in unstable or experimental, and you can use the commands in 'simple sid backport' to compile it for etch (if there isn't already a backport around) |
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| 23:13.34 | ghoul2083 | so it's me again my Xserver is running but wine says "make sure your Xserver is running and $DISPLAY is set correctly |
| 23:13.57 | moope1 | is etherape able to see all the trafic on a network? |
| 23:14.12 | lynucs | i am installing debian on my homepc atm, and would like to use lvm.. i created a primary for boot and primary for swap.. how should i go further? is it possible to have root on lvm? |
| 23:14.19 | ghoul2083 | moope1 if the network is not switched then yes |
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| 23:15.00 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: yes, the only thing that shouldn't be on lvm currently is /boot |
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| 23:15.35 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: just make another partition for lvm, mark it to be used as lvm, then create the volume group and the logical volume, then assign mount points and filesystems to them, and continue on. |
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| 23:15.40 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: it's all covered in the installation manual. |
| 23:15.42 | lynucs | dondelelcaro: but how should i install? if i create a primary lvm for the rest, the installer tells me, that there is no root paritition |
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| 23:15.49 | moope1 | ghoul2083: okay, so you would see everything if you were on a hub? |
| 23:16.02 | ghoul2083 | right |
| 23:16.20 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: reread the second thing I said again. You haven't done steps 3-5 if you're getting that answer. |
| 23:16.27 | moope1 | Is there any way to tell what is going on if you have say a home netgear router? |
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| 23:16.39 | alekz | Hi, I'm new in bash scriping, and I'm making a script that executes a "make" command, but the make ask for 5 "enters", but since I'm running it on background there's no way to see when to hit the "Enter" key, how can I send that signal by bash? |
| 23:16.42 | lynucs | dondelelcaro: okay :) |
| 23:16.48 | lynucs | dondelelcaro: i'll try, thank you |
| 23:17.06 | moope1 | ghoul2083: vista is doing bad things and I want to spy its ntwork traffic |
| 23:17.23 | ghoul2083 | moope1, use a hub between your router and your clients |
| 23:17.25 | dondelelcaro | alekz: first fix the makefile; asking questions is stupid. |
| 23:17.48 | moope1 | ta |
| 23:17.52 | dondelelcaro | alekz: anything it asks for should have a sensible default, and it should be settable by env variables. |
| 23:17.54 | ghoul2083 | :) |
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| 23:19.07 | Decepticon | if i turn some script off via rcconf, i cant even start it later if i do: sudo /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d <name of script> |
| 23:19.11 | Decepticon | is this correct? |
| 23:19.12 | ghoul2083 | moope1, you could try to stress your switch in the netgear router so it goes to dummy mode and works as a hub if you don |
| 23:19.23 | ghoul2083 | 't want to buy a hub |
| 23:19.30 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 23:19.36 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: why are you using invoke-rc.d? |
| 23:19.39 | ghoul2083 | Ace2016 hi |
| 23:19.45 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro why what should i be using |
| 23:19.47 | Ace2016 | hi ghoul2083 |
| 23:19.52 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: just /etc/init.d/nameofscript start; |
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| 23:20.01 | Ace2016 | wols_: should dmidecode show Invalid entry length (0). DMI table is broken! Stop. ? |
| 23:20.09 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: invoke-rc.d applies the system-wide policy to the script, which by your modification of rcconf tells the system that it shouldn't be started, so it isn't. |
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| 23:20.41 | orudie | could someone provide info on setting user permissions |
| 23:20.44 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro, so rcconf tells invoke-rc.d not to run the script? |
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| 23:21.05 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: yes. invoke-rc.d is designed to be run by Debian installation scripts; if you're not an installation script, you probably shouldn't be using it. |
| 23:21.11 | Ace2016 | !permissions |
| 23:21.12 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 23:21.16 | Decepticon | i am not an installation script |
| 23:21.16 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: man invoke-rc.d; for details. |
| 23:21.17 | moope1 | has anyone heard anything about General-Purpose computation on GPUs |
| 23:21.24 | Ace2016 | orudie: there you go |
| 23:21.31 | dondelelcaro | moope1: #hardware probably has |
| 23:21.32 | moope1 | is there a good sciency computing channel? |
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| 23:21.45 | alekz | dondelelcaro: The makefile was not written by me, and I don't know how to edit it, you should think on it first start talking about "stupid" you asshole |
| 23:21.53 | lynucs | dondelelcaro: which installation manual did you actually mean.. i'm right now on thinking how better to create logical volumes and which filesystems to choose for each partitions.. |
| 23:22.00 | lynucs | os there any good one? |
| 23:22.03 | Ace2016 | moope1: try ##linux or ##windows |
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| 23:22.18 | alekz | Hi, I'm new in bash scriping, and I'm making a script that executes a "make" command, but the make ask for 5 "enters", but since I'm running it on background there's no way to see when to hit the "Enter" key, how can I send that signal by bash? |
| 23:22.20 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: the one that Debian itself distibutes. |
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| 23:22.39 | dondelelcaro | alekz: if you want to attack people who are trying to help you, you're in the wrong channel. |
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| 23:22.51 | Joelito | How is it true that there's a debian distro that has compiz or beryl by default? |
| 23:23.01 | lynucs | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 23:23.06 | Supaplex | alekz: he meant the makefile asking questions is stupid. |
| 23:23.08 | dondelelcaro | ig |
| 23:23.11 | dondelelcaro | !ig |
| 23:23.11 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 23:23.13 | sepski | Joelito, no |
| 23:23.30 | zinx | Joelito: debian has whatever you tell it to have by default. |
| 23:23.32 | sepski | Joelito, there might be some distros that base their work on debian that have them tho |
| 23:23.49 | RichiH | hrm, seems bonnie++ does not want to operate an raw devices |
| 23:23.49 | Ace2016 | Joelito: it can be installed by default but might not be turned on by default, the user probably has to install the drivers and turn it on] |
| 23:23.50 | RichiH | bleh |
| 23:24.43 | Joelito | sepski, zinx: I read somewhere that there's a distro, based on debian that install it by default, that's why i'm asking...if anyonw know it |
| 23:25.11 | madclicker | hi, how can i do burn to two drives with k3b? |
| 23:25.16 | sepski | Joelito, do you know how many distros are based on debian ?... |
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| 23:25.35 | Joelito | sepski: Yes, a lot :( |
| 23:25.43 | Supaplex | Joelito: 'based on debain' is OT here. |
| 23:25.55 | sepski | Joelito, so it it would be quite hard to keep track of them all and whatever they choose to do |
| 23:26.15 | Supaplex | we have plenty to do with our own heh |
| 23:26.30 | sepski | more then enoughf to think about inside debian yeah |
| 23:26.44 | Supaplex | not that we want to be unhelpful. it merly dillutes us if we take them on. |
| 23:27.09 | fignew | Joelito: Ubuntu has compiz-fusion installed by default |
| 23:27.10 | embkas | where do I find my local dns lookup table? |
| 23:27.29 | fignew | embkas: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 23:28.03 | dondelelcaro | embkas: or /etc/hosts, depending on what you mean by 'local dns lookup table' |
| 23:28.04 | HSorgYves | morning; i accidentally deleted the /dev; do i just need to reboot to recreate the devfs? |
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| 23:28.12 | sepski | Supaplex, the noise from them all would make it hard to get real debian support |
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| 23:28.15 | dondelelcaro | HSorgYves: assuming that you have a /dev entry, yes. |
| 23:28.19 | dondelelcaro | s/entry/directory/ |
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| 23:28.29 | ghoul2083 | exit |
| 23:28.33 | dondelelcaro | HSorgYves: restarting udev may also do the trick |
| 23:28.40 | HSorgYves | dondelelcaro: thx, will try |
| 23:28.45 | Supaplex | sepski: we have #debain-based2,0 for that ;) |
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| 23:29.06 | embkas | fignew: I am not able to connect to irc.freenode.net, have to use ip-addresse - so I've appearantly got som problems with my dns at my IPS |
| 23:29.07 | danand_ | HSorgYves - you may be able to run /etc/init.d/udev restart or reload |
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| 23:29.37 | fignew | embkas: what does /etc/resolv.conf say? |
| 23:29.43 | sepski | :) |
| 23:29.45 | sepski | goodnight |
| 23:29.48 | Supaplex | !tell embkas -about paste |
| 23:30.14 | fignew | :rolleyes: |
| 23:30.27 | fignew | embkas: also, are you using DHCP? |
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| 23:31.19 | pihhan | hello |
| 23:31.21 | CalJohn | nvidia-glx-ia32 exists, but apparently nvidia-glx "has no install candidate". advice? |
| 23:31.31 | pihhan | i have problems with snmpd package on etch |
| 23:31.44 | enouf | madclicker: is each burner on it's own controller? |
| 23:31.52 | Supaplex | !tell pihhan -about don't work |
| 23:31.55 | CalJohn | fignew: why the eye rolling? |
| 23:32.01 | madclicker | enouf, yeap |
| 23:32.05 | enouf | madclicker: and do you mean silmultaneously from the same source file? |
| 23:32.06 | madclicker | enouf, sata |
| 23:32.16 | danand_ | CalJohn - check you have the correct repositories enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:32.17 | Supaplex | CalJohn: I presume it was my request of dpkg about paste. |
| 23:32.22 | madclicker | enouf, same source or different |
| 23:32.23 | pihhan | when i enable snmptrapd, dpkg does not configure it, it hang and does not end |
| 23:32.36 | enouf | madclicker: same source is not likely doable, different is |
| 23:32.56 | enouf | majust fire up two sessions of k3b .. or use growisofs CLI |
| 23:33.01 | enouf | madclicker: ^^^^^^^ |
| 23:33.13 | HSorgYves | danand_: thx |
| 23:33.18 | madclicker | enouf, kool. which app could do it, K3B doesnt seem to allow more than one burn at a time |
| 23:33.18 | CalJohn | danand_: that just occurred to me too, i just backported something from sid |
| 23:33.42 | enouf | madclicker: have you fired up 2 sessions of k3b? start each in it's own xterm |
| 23:33.53 | danand_ | HSorgYves - np |
| 23:33.57 | embkas | fignew: no, static on LAN but I guess the router gets an external addresse, doesn't it? I've given the router 192.168.168.230 - gateway is 193.216.128.1. Dns is 193.216.128.10 |
| 23:33.58 | HSorgYves | other udev question: what should the permissions of /dev/null be? |
| 23:34.00 | enouf | madclicker: just start whatever app, within it's own xterm or whatever |
| 23:34.01 | CalJohn | danand_: nope, still nothing. has nvidia-glx been quietly removed from testing? |
| 23:34.38 | danand_ | CalJohn - run apt-get show package to see what repo the package is in. |
| 23:35.10 | embkas | when i edit /etc/resolv.conf do i have to restart any sevices for the changes to take effect |
| 23:35.13 | madclicker | enouf, how to fire up two sessions of K3B? |
| 23:35.18 | fignew | embkas: no |
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| 23:35.56 | fignew | embkas: I don't understand your network setup |
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| 23:36.13 | madclicker | enouf, from xterm only? |
| 23:36.14 | wols_ | Ace2016: I already told you to blame hp and not ask us |
| 23:36.23 | enouf | madclicker: you have konsole? that's kde's xterm |
| 23:36.25 | fignew | madclicker: the router should be your gateway |
| 23:36.28 | enouf | madclicker: open a few tabs |
| 23:36.35 | enouf | madclicker: each one is it's own xterm |
| 23:36.48 | enouf | madclicker: fire up k3b from each |
| 23:37.07 | enouf | madclicker: i don't use the GUI |
| 23:37.23 | enouf | i mean - well almost never |
| 23:37.25 | madclicker | enouf, will not doit |
| 23:37.35 | madclicker | it only launces one process |
| 23:37.36 | enouf | madclicker: one sec |
| 23:37.37 | embkas | fignew: ok |
| 23:38.06 | CalJohn | danand_: do you mean apt-show-versions |
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| 23:38.19 | enouf | madclicker: and i use growisofs, not k3b, but hang on |
| 23:38.41 | fignew | embkas: I gotta go, someone else can help you :) |
| 23:38.43 | pihhan | anyone using snmptrapd on etch? |
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| 23:38.57 | embkas | fignew: ok, thanks then :-) |
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| 23:39.49 | HSorgYves | is there a known problem with the permissions on /dev/null on Debian Etch? |
| 23:39.51 | enouf | madclicker: you appear correct, the 2nd session just pops up the 1st one's dialog |
| 23:39.58 | enouf | madclicker: ask in #debian-kde |
| 23:40.24 | madclicker | enouf, k, thanks |
| 23:40.29 | enouf | madclicker: i'm not 100% sure then either whether using growisofs itself would do it either - i never tested it |
| 23:40.53 | danand_ | CalJohn - apt-cache show nvidia-glx shows that package as being in non-free repository - check you have non-free (if you _really_ want that) in you /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:42.01 | CalJohn | danand_: it sucks, but I do really want it. websites through firefox are very different with nv |
| 23:42.20 | coreyo | has anyone here successfully attempted a linux->windows adhoc wifi connection? |
| 23:42.21 | Nyle | la de da |
| 23:42.36 | wols_ | !tell coreyo about anyone |
| 23:42.37 | enouf | madclicker: with SATA, make sure you have AHCI enabled in BIOS (i would think) - more about that at linux-ata.org |
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| 23:43.14 | madclicker | enouf, i got all running in AHCI |
| 23:43.20 | CalJohn | danand_: it seems like the repos don't contain nvidia-glx anymore |
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| 23:43.37 | wols_ | CalJohn: lwhat debian branch? |
| 23:43.44 | enouf | madclicker: cool |
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| 23:45.12 | CalJohn | wols_: testing |
| 23:45.32 | wols_ | !tell CalJohn about simple sid backport |
| 23:45.33 | CalJohn | wols_: I've just remembered I normally use the actual nvidia script |
| 23:45.39 | sint | hey, just a simple question about apt: if i made an apt-get update, how to see what will be upgraded next? |
| 23:45.43 | wols_ | CalJohn: unsupported here |
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| 23:46.00 | wols_ | sint: makes nos sense that question |
| 23:46.00 | CalJohn | wols_: I understand, I'd just forgotten that I was using it |
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| 23:46.29 | lastnode | will changing from a 486 kernel toa 686 kernle give me any significant performance boost? (Sempron 1.8 3100+) |
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| 23:46.46 | sint | wols_: no sense? is there no way to see what software is old and will be newer after "apt-get upgrade" |
| 23:46.50 | wols_ | some yes. and it's free permoance. no drawbakcs |
| 23:46.55 | Kikkoman | checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool |
| 23:47.03 | wols_ | sint: there is. man apt-get |
| 23:47.06 | Kikkoman | What package is an XML perl parsing module? |
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| 23:47.09 | lastnode | wols_: will apt automatically remake my kernel modules? (i use madwifi) |
| 23:47.10 | baloo | lastnode: Probably not much, but perhaps a little. |
| 23:47.29 | lastnode | thanks baloo |
| 23:47.30 | wols_ | lastnode: depebds how you made them iirc |
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| 23:47.40 | lastnode | wols_: i made them with module assistant |
| 23:47.43 | CalJohn | wols_: out of curiousity, why do you hang out here so much? |
| 23:47.47 | lastnode | and wifi is my onyl access to the net |
| 23:47.47 | wols_ | lastnode: then it should |
| 23:47.55 | sint | wols_: sorry, thought its just something simple like "emerge -pvu world" in gentoo |
| 23:47.56 | lastnode | ok thanks wols_ |
| 23:48.04 | sint | wols_: thanks anyways |
| 23:48.07 | lastnode | if not, i can always boot in using my old kernel? |
| 23:48.12 | wols_ | sint: it is simple |
| 23:48.13 | lastnode | (grub shouldhae both, yes) |
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| 23:48.17 | wols_ | lastnode: yes |
| 23:48.21 | Sebo | Hi!! which packages do I need to `# apt-get install` to enable syslog (I need to prepare my Debian host to collect logs from my router)?? |
| 23:48.33 | wols_ | Sebo: it's already installed |
| 23:48.43 | Kikkoman | Nevermind, found it |
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| 23:49.14 | Sebo | wols_: So how can i configure it?? |
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| 23:49.46 | lastnode | wols_: one more question - once i bot in, and say i have to run m-a prepare, which packages will it need for my new 686 kernel? linux-headers-XX-686, and..? |
| 23:49.56 | lastnode | *boot |
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| 23:52.26 | AwesomeGuy | I rm -rf /'d on my debian because I didn't want it on the laptop anymore, but when i restarted it i got an error while it was turning on |
| 23:52.31 | AwesomeGuy | i cant even boot windows |
| 23:52.32 | AwesomeGuy | weird |
| 23:52.49 | AwesomeGuy | should I just reinstall debian with a CD to get grub back working |
| 23:53.17 | roler | AwesomeGuy: ; if you are dropping linux completely boot up on your XP cd and go to repair mode and type fixboot and fixmbr, one of those fixes it I can't remember |
| 23:53.35 | pihhan | AwesomeGuy, boot some live cd and make your windows partition bootable |
| 23:53.49 | AwesomeGuy | k |
| 23:54.01 | AwesomeGuy | I was taking off the debian because I messed it up alot |
| 23:54.07 | AwesomeGuy | I'm gonna reinstall it |
| 23:54.41 | enouf | madclicker: just had a thought - maybe fire up another kde session, (i.e; another Xserver) , the kmenu > switch user > start new session <-- now that i have done... 3 separate ones, just to test it , awhile back, not sure of it's total capabilities, but it shows 3 XServers under psatree -lunap output, and i do recall, i fired up the irc client also while in separate ones (and they were entirely separated then) |
| 23:54.43 | pihhan | AwesomeGuy, then reinstall it right away, it will install new grub for you |
| 23:55.13 | enouf | madclicker: i recall this feature being pretty broken though in earlier kde versions, like 3.5.3, or earlier |
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| 23:56.07 | geek_ | Hi, is there any way to list all the dependencies required by a package? Any help from configure file in source? |
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| 23:56.29 | geek_ | or apt-cache? |
| 23:56.33 | lastnode | geek_: im sure there i sa cli command, but i usually use packages.debian.org |
| 23:56.55 | enouf | madclicker: heh, i even saved the pstree output http://pastebin.ca/raw/932870 |
| 23:57.04 | enouf | madclicker: search that for "startkde" |
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| 23:57.54 | Sebo | So to use some Debian host as syslog server I don't need to configure this host. What I need is only to set up the router to send log mesages? |
| 23:58.21 | Tramp | geek_: apt-cache depends <package> |
| 23:58.24 | dondelelcaro | Sebo: you do need to configure syslog-ng or similar, but no, you don't need to configure hte host. |
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| 23:58.39 | enouf | madclicker: basically you'll note, each of the 3 Xservers are on they're own vt - note vt7, vt8, vt9, (F7, F8, F9) |
| 23:59.23 | geek_ | Seeker`: I am concerned about those packages which are supposed to be installed using source. No .deb file exist for them. I want to extract information from the source package. |
| 23:59.53 | enouf | madclicker: notice how there are a few of each of dcop sessions, and konsole ones, each independent of each other |
