| 00:00.46 | eguzkia | hello someone can help me i can use p2p but i cannot surf into the web?? |
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| 00:00.52 | geek_ | Tramp, lastnode: I am concerned about those packages which are supposed to be installed using source. No .deb file exist for them. I want to extract information from the source package. Any way? |
| 00:00.57 | enouf | madclicker: so, there you have it if you want to play - me? i personally am a bit too lazy to try it all out (not to mention, i'm low on RAM :-P) |
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| 00:02.02 | madclicker | enouf, thanks a bunch, really appreciate all your input, I'll give it a try and give you the feedback. I got the concept. thanks |
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| 00:02.17 | enouf | madclicker: fantabulous ;-) |
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| 00:04.46 | enouf | madclicker: typo above, psatree == pstree (install it, if you like) |
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| 00:05.40 | leonardo | hi, i installed debian in english language but now i want to change to portuguese brazilian |
| 00:05.45 | leonardo | how to do this? |
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| 00:06.02 | Joelito | is this a well-formatted repos line: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 00:06.40 | HSorgYves | why is /dev/null always reset to crw-rw----? |
| 00:06.49 | enouf | leonardo: /msg dpkg locales |
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| 00:07.06 | enouf | HSorgYves: that's correct, iinm |
| 00:07.16 | totocool | hi all is there any way to give the root privileges to a file in example i`ve a php script, which writes a file in a directory ? |
| 00:07.34 | totocool | without setting the chmod of the dir to 777 |
| 00:07.43 | HSorgYves | enouf: when login in as normal user i always get access denied messages for /dev/null |
| 00:07.46 | enouf | er Access: (0666/crw-rw-rw-) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 00:07.51 | leonardo | didn't work enouf |
| 00:08.03 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 00:08.03 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 00:08.30 | enouf | totocool: setuid doesn't work in scripts, iinm |
| 00:09.03 | enouf | Joelito: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 00:09.30 | enouf | HSorgYves: any chroot jail stuff going on? |
| 00:09.32 | pihhan | totocool, are you able to allow writing to file for webserver user instead of giving php root? |
| 00:09.38 | enouf | HSorgYves: scponly? or similar? |
| 00:10.17 | HSorgYves | enouf: not that i know of... simple etch install |
| 00:10.57 | enouf | HSorgYves: well, there are a few things that set that - least of which might be within you initrd, not sure what you've done to mess it up |
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| 00:11.18 | HSorgYves | which "rule" of udev sets the permission on /dev/null? or is it done somewhere else? |
| 00:11.38 | Joelito | enouf: I was only asking because I'm going to use testing instead of etch |
| 00:11.39 | enouf | rgrep null /etc/udev |
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| 00:12.01 | enouf | Joelito: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 00:13.43 | enouf | HSorgYves: you have /etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rules:KERNEL=="null", MODE="0666" and /etc/udev/permissions.rules:KERNEL=="null", MODE="0666" ? |
| 00:14.45 | HSorgYves | enouf: no, that file is empty |
| 00:14.58 | totocool | pihhan, so i should change the owner to apache ? |
| 00:15.03 | enouf | HSorgYves: there's two files there |
| 00:15.15 | pihhan | totocool, yes, exactly |
| 00:15.20 | totocool | 10x |
| 00:15.33 | HSorgYves | enouf: ? |
| 00:15.36 | pihhan | totocool, but on debian apache user is called www-data by default |
| 00:15.39 | enouf | 10q , not 10x :-P |
| 00:15.59 | totocool | ok |
| 00:16.06 | totocool | i`l keep it in mind |
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| 00:16.52 | orudie | which command is used for setting permissions for users ? |
| 00:17.19 | engla | incredible amount of git posts on planet.debian.org right now |
| 00:17.24 | enouf | orudie: erm, umask? |
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| 00:18.15 | enouf | orudie: files and dirs get perms, though mount options and many other things (like which groups the user belongs to) also affect perms .. plus other things |
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| 00:18.42 | enouf | octox2: umask is for file creation perms, do "help umask" |
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| 00:18.55 | enouf | orudie: i meant you not orudie |
| 00:18.57 | enouf | gah |
| 00:19.04 | enouf | !spank wols_ |
| 00:19.40 | enouf | orudie: dirs start at 777 and files at 666 |
| 00:19.47 | orudie | so users are treated as if they are files ? |
| 00:19.54 | enouf | orudie: so a umask of 022 == 644 |
| 00:20.17 | octox2 | hey guys, i am trying to move bind to a secure env, and I am supposed to change the /etc/init.d.sysklogd file so the line SYSLOGD="" is instead, SYSLOGD="-a /var/lib/named/dev/log" , but I dont even see SYSLOGD="" in the file to begin with? any ideas? |
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| 00:22.00 | mbroeker | octox2, this var is defined in /etc/default/syslogkd Are you looking for that? |
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| 00:23.16 | nebM0ft_ | Which file does GDM run to load my apps (something like ~/.gnomerc, but for other WM's)? |
| 00:23.34 | nebM0ft_ | .xprofile doesn't seem to work |
| 00:23.34 | enouf | man sysklogd ? octox2 |
| 00:23.46 | octox2 | oh, hmm, i am reading out of a book and they told me to change it in the /etc/init.d./sysklogd script, maybe they made a mistake or it was changed, ill look ffor it where you said thanks :) |
| 00:24.09 | enouf | nebM0ft_: checkout /etc/gdm/* perhaps |
| 00:24.22 | nebM0ft_ | hmm :) |
| 00:24.29 | enouf | nebM0ft_: oh, sorry, /msg dpkg xsession |
| 00:24.54 | nebM0ft_ | thanks |
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| 00:25.11 | enouf | nebM0ft_: as far as gnome's own startup dir? i don't know, ~/.gconf ? .. really no idea though |
| 00:25.15 | Lode | hello :) |
| 00:25.33 | nebM0ft_ | enouf: i need it for other WM's |
| 00:25.39 | nebM0ft_ | gonme uses .gnomerc |
| 00:25.56 | enouf | nebM0ft_: ahh. yes then, ~/.xsession should be good for all X sessions ;-) |
| 00:26.04 | nebM0ft_ | dwm/fluxbox etc...' |
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| 00:28.53 | dclarke | I have a machine that seems to netboot .. but gets hung after the kernel loads ... |
| 00:29.03 | dclarke | thus http://rafb.net/p/EZNs8q66.html |
| 00:29.23 | dclarke | am I missing some wonky options to the netboot command on the firmware ? |
| 00:29.50 | HSorgYves | enouf: got it working again, thx |
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| 00:30.32 | enouf | HSorgYves: cool - any idea what caused it? |
| 00:31.09 | enouf | HSorgYves: was udevd running? maybe no hal or dbus installed? no sysfs mounted? |
| 00:31.43 | nebM0ft | Is Gnome the #debian favorite DM/WM? Because that is the default DM upon installation. :) |
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| 00:32.02 | AwesomeGuy | I have the netinst cd image, can I put it on my mp3 player and boot it from the mp3 player |
| 00:32.53 | lex | nope |
| 00:32.58 | AwesomeGuy | my mp3 player had a usb thing on it |
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| 00:33.15 | horseradish | how is debian different from say fedora core, centos, or ubuntu? |
| 00:33.30 | Nyle | !debian |
| 00:33.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:33.35 | lex | just find somewhere cdrom |
| 00:33.46 | nebM0ft | horseradish: debian is the most stable. |
| 00:34.01 | nebM0ft | And pretty old, with a large community. |
| 00:34.01 | octox2 | enouf: thanks for telling me where it is. I didnt realize that adding additional sockets for syslog to listen to was a normal thing, I am a noob I guess. |
| 00:34.12 | enouf | AwesomeGuy: the d-i has USB versions |
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| 00:34.23 | enouf | AwesomeGuy: aklso, your BIOS needs to be able to boot from USB |
| 00:34.49 | lex | AwesomeGuy flash-player? |
| 00:34.54 | octox2 | enouf: I read through the man for sysklogd , but I didnt see any mention of the /etc/default/syslogd file in it, did I miss something? |
| 00:35.01 | enouf | octox2: hey, we almost all learn something new each day ;-) |
| 00:35.10 | octox2 | enouf: i SEE THE -a option though |
| 00:35.14 | enouf | octox2: man syslogd? |
| 00:35.35 | enouf | octox2: and search that for sysklogd |
| 00:35.53 | enouf | it's like an extension or something it seems, i dont know much about it |
| 00:38.06 | HSorgYves | enouf: i found the file and replaced it, no clue what has caused it to be 0 bytes |
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| 00:38.43 | enouf | HSorgYves: okie doke |
| 00:39.20 | HSorgYves | enouf: well it works, that is what counts ;-) |
| 00:40.10 | enouf | i guess, however, that's how bugs get fixed, if it as indeed a bug |
| 00:40.17 | enouf | s/as/was |
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| 00:41.31 | peleg | What other methods to upload files to a server I have other than FTP? |
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| 00:41.43 | enouf | sftp |
| 00:41.45 | CodeWarrior__ | hello folks |
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| 00:42.10 | horseradish | so older (one of the first linux distros), supported by a large non-commercial developer network, open to user patches, and named after the author's wife, Debra |
| 00:42.34 | horseradish | nebM0ft: can you support the 'most stable' claim? |
| 00:42.38 | enouf | i guess ncftp too? |
| 00:43.25 | dclarke | horseradish: Ian Murdock is now at Sun |
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| 00:46.19 | Supaplex | dclarke: oh? that's interesting. wth is sun up to?!? |
| 00:46.59 | dclarke | Solaris |
| 00:47.19 | horseradish | that's cool |
| 00:47.21 | horseradish | sun bought mysql |
| 00:47.28 | horseradish | all one big happy open source family |
| 00:47.39 | Supaplex | they've bought a few things recently |
| 00:47.52 | dclarke | except Solaris can not be built entirely open yet |
| 00:48.03 | dclarke | a lot of stuff is still closed source |
| 00:48.06 | Supaplex | sleepycat? or was by mysql first? |
| 00:48.11 | Lode | after doing an upgrade from etch to lenny, apt-get does not allow me to install anything. Whatever I try to install, it keeps complaining that "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies. libavcodec-dev: Depends: libavutil-dev (= 0.cvs20070307-6) but it is not going to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)." |
| 00:48.22 | dclarke | and Ian is no the exec VP in charge os Solaris fiture vision stuff |
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| 00:49.53 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: yeah, he hasn't been heavily involed in Debian development for a very long time, though. |
| 00:50.14 | dondelelcaro | (he hasn't had a key in the keyring for at least the past 5 or 6 years) |
| 00:50.43 | peleg | enouf: I am looking for something very different. I have tried using Gnome's built-in SSH, but I can't get the needed permissions to mkdir, for example. |
| 00:51.14 | peleg | All I need is to upload files, but I don't have an FTP server at the moment |
| 00:51.14 | dclarke | I don't think he has written a line of code in OpenSolaris either but he sure as hell knows how t oshake the place up and get them pointing in the right direction |
| 00:51.21 | Lode | if I try "apt-get -f install" as indicated, it suggests to install libavutil-dev and I answer "Yes", but it fails with the following messages: "Unpacking libavutil-dev (from .../libavutil-dev_0.cvs20070307-6_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutil-dev_0.cvs20070307-6_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/include/ffmpeg/random.h', which is also in package libavcodeccvs51 (...)" |
| 00:51.57 | peleg | isn't there a simple terminal command to send files via ssh? |
| 00:52.04 | Supaplex | peleg: scp/sftp |
| 00:52.27 | peleg | Supaplex: and I don't need an FTP server for that? |
| 00:52.46 | Supaplex | no |
| 00:52.52 | peleg | thanks! |
| 00:52.54 | Supaplex | just sshd |
| 00:53.05 | Lode | (peleg, that meant scp or sftp) |
| 00:53.22 | peleg | Lode: yes, got it. I will try to use scp |
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| 00:56.35 | karsten | How do you decode base64-encoded attachments at CLI? |
| 00:56.48 | Supaplex | mimedecode? |
| 00:57.00 | Supaplex | mime[tab][tab] |
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| 00:57.14 | Miesco | Got a SIGSEGV while executing native code. This usually indicates |
| 00:57.16 | Miesco | a fatal error in the mono runtime or one of the native libraries |
| 00:57.19 | Miesco | used by your application. |
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| 00:57.21 | Miesco | I get that when I run banshee |
| 00:57.26 | karsten | Supaplex: munpack doesn't handle this particular one. |
| 00:57.48 | Miesco | I installed banshee with apt-get |
| 00:57.51 | Supaplex | humm.. maybe the #perl wizards have a one-liner |
| 00:58.08 | Supaplex | !+info banshee |
| 00:58.09 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:58.11 | dpkg | banshee: (Audio Management and Playback application), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.13.2+dfsg-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2581 kB, Installed size: 7524 kB |
| 00:58.25 | karsten | Hrm: http://search.cpan.org/~gaas/MIME-Base64-3.07/Base64.pm |
| 00:58.28 | karsten | Supaplex: ^^ |
| 00:58.29 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I personally use mutt |
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| 00:58.49 | karsten | dondelelcaro: So do I. Doesn't quite work in this case. |
| 00:59.06 | JordiGH | Does Emacs currently have an active maintainer? They're spreading foul rumours in #emacs that Matthias Klose got sick of dealing with dfsg/gfdl issues. |
| 00:59.19 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: the package you mean? |
| 00:59.37 | Supaplex | !start an editor war |
| 00:59.37 | dpkg | edlin sucks |
| 00:59.43 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: rob browning is actualy the maintainer |
| 00:59.50 | Lode | lol |
| 00:59.55 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Hm, I guess I meant python-mode |
| 01:00.39 | Lode | well, if someone has an idea on how to fix my apt-get, I would be glad to hear any hint :-) |
| 01:01.17 | azeem | JordiGH: what's the problem with python-mode? |
| 01:01.39 | JordiGH | azeem: I'm running afoul of #424973 |
| 01:01.49 | peleg | The problem is that also using scp, I can log only with the user "peleg" and not with "root" (root login is disabled); though, I need root permissions in order to create folders in that specific place. any workaround? |
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| 01:02.22 | azeem | JordiGH: what does that have to do with DFSG? |
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| 01:02.49 | JordiGH | peleg: Uh, ssh first, then sudo create the directories. Use scp to move to local directory, then ssh and move them from local directory to system directory. |
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| 01:03.15 | peleg | JordiGH: thanks. |
| 01:03.31 | HSorgYves | shutdown -hH does not turn off the computer... what can I check? |
| 01:03.50 | Miesco | When will lenny have a nvidie-kernel packkage? |
| 01:03.51 | JordiGH | azeem: Nothing. I think the people at #emacs don't think too highly of DFSG and were saying that the bugs in Emacs were there because the maintainer got sick of "dfsg/gfdl bullshit". |
| 01:04.14 | Tramp | HSorgYves: the manpage. You need a timespec |
| 01:04.14 | azeem | JordiGH: what does THAT have to do with python-mode? |
| 01:04.29 | JordiGH | azeem: Uhm, python-mode is an Emacs package. |
| 01:04.44 | azeem | in the bug, it says emacs22 ships its own version of it |
| 01:04.46 | JordiGH | azeem: But with a different maintainer? |
| 01:04.48 | azeem | so just remove the package? |
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| 01:05.03 | JordiGH | azeem: I think I need this package for ipython.el, though. |
| 01:05.05 | HSorgYves | Tramp: sorry, shutdown -hH now |
| 01:05.05 | azeem | or are you still running emacs21? How does the bug affect you then? |
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| 01:05.40 | HSorgYves | Tramp: the problem is not the command (i.e. it shuts down) but it does not turn off the computer |
| 01:05.43 | JordiGH | azeem: the bug affects me that I can't get ipython.el working, since it expects to find python-mode, and the builtin python mode in Emacs is different from python-mode. |
| 01:05.50 | benjamindees | HSorgYves, modprobe apm |
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| 01:06.07 | azeem | JordiGH: sounds like a bug in ipython.el then |
| 01:06.11 | azeem | well, dunni |
| 01:06.13 | benjamindees | HSorgYves, && echo "apm" >>/etc/modules |
| 01:06.13 | azeem | dunno* |
| 01:06.50 | JordiGH | azeem: I'll submit the bug report to ipython and let them bounce the blame around until someone can't bounce it to anyone else. |
| 01:07.02 | HSorgYves | benjamindees: returns nothing |
| 01:07.04 | azeem | god |
| 01:07.09 | azeem | good* |
| 01:08.24 | HSorgYves | benjamindees: trying |
| 01:08.46 | benjamindees | it's supposed to return nothing |
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| 01:09.33 | HSorgYves | benjamindees: still not working |
| 01:09.35 | Lode | is there a way to rebuild the package database? |
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| 01:10.44 | alfred_ | why would ssh skip a private key in ~/.ssh/ ? |
| 01:10.56 | JordiGH | Lode: Accidental rm * as root, did you? |
| 01:12.16 | Lode | JordiGH, no it appears to be corrupted after an attempt to upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 01:12.25 | dondelelcaro | alfred_: because it wasn't given as a key? |
| 01:12.29 | HSorgYves | benjamindees: any idea? apm is enabled in the bios... |
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| 01:12.46 | Tramp | alfred_: because it was accidentially destroyed by cosmic radiation? |
| 01:12.51 | benjamindees | "Debian kernels are built with APM support but it is disabled by default. You need to boot the kernel with the "apm=on" option if you want to enable the driver. (You may need to add this option to your lilo command line.)" |
| 01:12.52 | Lode | JordiGH, scroll up to see the errors it it giving me |
| 01:13.05 | benjamindees | I wonder if that's still true |
| 01:13.09 | JordiGH | Lode: I think I joined the channel after you posted errors. |
| 01:13.31 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: well, it's almost definetly not enabled by default, iirc. |
| 01:13.37 | alfred_ | dondelelcaro: it works if i give it as -i... how can i make it automatically try the key? according to -v it tries a few that don't exist id_rsa or something |
| 01:13.49 | Lode | quoting myself: after doing an upgrade from etch to lenny, apt-get does not allow me to install anything. Whatever I try to install, it keeps complaining that "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies. libavcodec-dev: Depends: libavutil-dev (= 0.cvs20070307-6) but it is not going to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify |
| 01:13.49 | Lode | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.50 | dondelelcaro | alfred_: specify it in your ssh_config |
| 01:13.55 | alfred_ | Tramp: going with no on the cosmic-radiation |
| 01:14.10 | Lode | follow-up: if I try "apt-get -f install" as indicated, it suggests to install libavutil-dev and I answer "Yes", but it fails with the following messages: "Unpacking libavutil-dev (from .../libavutil-dev_0.cvs20070307-6_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutil-dev_0.cvs20070307-6_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/include/ffmpeg/random.h', which is also in package libavcodeccvs51 (...)" |
| 01:14.20 | dondelelcaro | Lode: yes, so you need to either remove libavcodec-dev (which you don't need, or specifically install the right version) |
| 01:14.42 | Tramp | alfred_: well, your question was nonsensical. After you gave more information it started to make a bit more sense. |
| 01:14.43 | dondelelcaro | Lode: and for the second problem, youneed to specify --force-overwrite, and possibly file a bug if those are actually all Debian supplied packages (likely not) |
| 01:14.46 | benjamindees | Lode, or re-add whatever repository you got it from |
| 01:15.19 | alfred_ | dondelelcaro, so am i just misunderstanding ssh? shouldn't it issue a challenge for each key file in the .ssh folder? |
| 01:15.42 | benjamindees | Lode, but just remove them since they are dev packages anyways |
| 01:15.59 | Lode | thanks dondelelcaro, benjamindees, I will try your suggestions |
| 01:16.04 | dondelelcaro | alfred_: no, it only issues a challenge for keys which you tell it to challenge. By default it's only id_dsa and id_rsa |
| 01:16.17 | dondelelcaro | alfred_: you can configure it to add any other keys that you want to use. |
| 01:16.55 | Miesco | When will it be a good time to upgrade to lenny? |
| 01:16.57 | alfred_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:17.32 | amphi | Miesco: works well for me now |
| 01:17.41 | amphi | Miesco: and for some time |
| 01:17.45 | Miesco | amphi: Okay |
| 01:18.07 | amphi | Miesco: BTW, if banshee is not working out, give quodlibet a try perhaps |
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| 01:18.25 | Miesco | amphi: I am using it :) |
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| 01:18.39 | amphi | Miesco: oh, ok - why banshee then? |
| 01:18.40 | Miesco | amphi: How come banshee hass dll files, what is mono anyways? |
| 01:18.47 | Miesco | amphi: Ipod support |
| 01:18.55 | amphi | Miesco: ah :( |
| 01:18.55 | nebM0ft | Is gtk-chtheme owned by anything? It doesn't seem to be in any of the standard repo's. |
| 01:18.56 | phorce1 | is there any way to disable a devce so that an old module can be removed and a new one loaded (testing for v4l developer ---- ERROR: Module cx8800 is in use) |
| 01:19.14 | phorce1 | Trying hard not to reboot at the moment |
| 01:19.28 | amphi | !mono |
| 01:19.29 | dpkg | well, mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 01:19.37 | amphi | Miesco: ^^^ |
| 01:20.00 | Miesco | So I can make windows programs on linux? |
| 01:20.02 | amphi | Miesco: pure evil, it goes without saying ;) |
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| 01:20.44 | nebM0ft | Miesco: Wine, vmware,virtualbox,qemu |
| 01:21.02 | nebM0ft | and dosbox :) |
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| 01:21.26 | Lode | ok, trying "apt-get remove libavcodec-dev" gives unmet dependencies libpostproc-dev: Depends: libavcodec-dev. Then if I try "apt-get remove libpostproc-dev" I get unmet dependencies "libavcodec-dev: Depends: libavutil-dev" and trying "apt-get remove libavutil-dev" gives unmet dependencies "libavcodec-dev: Depends: libavutil-dev" |
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| 01:21.29 | Miesco | nebM0ft: Im going to college next year for programmer analyst program, and want to know if I have to use the dreadful windows |
| 01:21.40 | Lode | I'm getting in a loop :( |
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| 01:21.57 | nebM0ft | Miesco: you can probably get buy using linux. |
| 01:22.10 | Miesco | Okay |
| 01:22.13 | nebM0ft | There are clones for most windows apps. |
| 01:22.13 | Miesco | great! |
| 01:22.20 | Miesco | clones? |
| 01:22.35 | nebM0ft | well what exactly would you need? |
| 01:22.39 | nebM0ft | a C compiler? :) |
| 01:22.56 | Miesco | Oracol or whatever |
| 01:22.56 | Miesco | Or something |
| 01:23.05 | nebM0ft | you mean oracle? |
| 01:23.09 | Miesco | Yes |
| 01:23.38 | Miesco | Im not sure I like mono, screw you banshee |
| 01:23.56 | nebM0ft | Miesco: http://www.oracle.com/technologies/linux/index.html |
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| 01:25.08 | dpx | Where is apache2-ssl-certificate in etch? |
| 01:25.08 | benjamindees | Lode, "apt-get remove libavutil-dev libpostproc-dev" |
| 01:25.35 | Lode | benjamindees, it says "libavcodec-dev: Depends: libavutil-dev (= 0.cvs20070307-6) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 01:25.53 | benjamindees | Lode, "apt-get remove libavutil-dev libpostproc-dev libavcodec-dev" ;) |
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| 01:26.33 | Lode | benjamindees, it removed them ! |
| 01:26.55 | dpx | can anyone tell me how to get ssl enabled in apache on debian etch without the apache2-ssl-certificate script? It is missing from the install |
| 01:27.44 | Lode | benjamindees, thanks a lot, I am now able to install inkscape :-) |
| 01:28.16 | Miesco | Is there a convienient way of copying from rxvt where I dont have to delete the url in my browser without highlighting it in order to keep my rxvt content |
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| 01:28.57 | benjamindees | Miesco, what is your browser? |
| 01:29.29 | dpx | !help make-ssl-cert |
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| 01:31.36 | Miesco | benjamindees: iceweasel |
| 01:31.57 | Miesco | Can someone tell me why tomboy and f-spot use mono? |
| 01:32.09 | azeem | because they're written in mono |
| 01:32.10 | Miesco | Isn't tomboy an official gnome app? |
| 01:32.19 | Miesco | azeem: So there .exe? |
| 01:32.26 | benjamindees | Miesco, there's a plugin for ff that will give you a button to clear the url bar |
| 01:32.27 | azeem | what |
| 01:32.32 | dpx | okay can someone help me with getting ssl setup with apache2 for svn? |
| 01:32.53 | azeem | Miesco: they are c#-gtk applications |
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| 01:34.49 | Miesco | benjamindees: Okay |
| 01:35.37 | benjamindees | or, there *was* one... |
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| 01:37.59 | benjamindees | Miesco, http://konquefox.free.fr/ |
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| 01:44.19 | lynucs | where could i read about simple sid? |
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| 01:44.43 | lynucs | didnt find anything suitable in google |
| 01:45.02 | azeem | !simple sid backport |
| 01:45.02 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 01:45.09 | azeem | do you mean that? |
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| 01:46.02 | lynucs | azeem: i don't really know.. someone told me in this channel about isntalling some packages of unstable or testing using "simple sid" method |
| 01:46.06 | lynucs | afaik |
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| 01:47.44 | azeem | lynucs: so it's probably that |
| 01:48.06 | lynucs | azeem: thank you |
| 01:48.16 | lynucs | i guess that's what i need |
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| 01:52.58 | Miesco | Okay im upgrading to lenny |
| 01:53.07 | Miesco | dpkg lenny |
| 01:53.08 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wir> <rsn> and <siyh>). |
| 01:53.34 | craigevil | !etch->lenny |
| 01:53.34 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs> and <release notes>, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 02:01.20 | dpx | what's the mysql package called? |
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| 02:02.45 | azeem | dpx: /msg dpkg search |
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| 02:09.23 | Lode | dpx, you can do the following to search for all available packages starting with "mysql": apt-cache search mysql | grep -i "^mysql" |
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| 02:11.37 | dondelelcaro | Lode: or you could just apt-cache search -n '^mysql' |
| 02:11.51 | dondelelcaro | (and package names in Debian are all lowercase) |
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| 02:12.35 | Lode | dondelelcaro, thanks I didn't know how to restrict the regexp to the package name :) |
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| 02:14.42 | dpx | thanks |
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| 02:15.55 | stormze1 | does fsck check unused sectors of a disk when it forces itself on mount? |
| 02:16.04 | jetscreamer | the metal wil strike you down with a viscious blow |
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| 02:17.49 | rox | stormze1: what do you mean by unused sectors? |
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| 02:18.24 | rox | stormze1: if you mean the space that was not assigned to any partition, the answer is no |
| 02:18.26 | stormze1 | rox: Sectors in partitions without data in them. |
| 02:18.49 | stormze1 | No, that would be the space assigned to a partition. |
| 02:18.50 | rox | stormze1: then it depends on filesystem specific check tool |
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| 02:20.49 | stormze1 | ok, rox. Thanks. |
| 02:21.20 | rox | stormze1: if you really want to find out, then ask filesystem tools developers or read the fsck.<filesystem> source |
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| 02:22.06 | stormze1 | Not to the point where I can read source yet. Thanks for answering. |
| 02:22.31 | dpx | anyone have experience w/ atlassian crowd? |
| 02:22.38 | rox | stormze1: what is your problem really? |
| 02:23.19 | stormze1 | Building a firewall. Only had a 300GB disk. Don't want it to take forever to be back in service when forced check kicks in. |
| 02:23.54 | rox | stormze1: you can disable the forced checks |
| 02:24.13 | stormze1 | Didn't know that. But don't think I want to do that. |
| 02:25.29 | rox | stormze1: then your best solution would probably be this: partition your disk so that you have a small system partition and a large storage partition and disable the check on the storage partition |
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| 02:26.05 | benjamindees | I know checking ext2 is much faster than ext3 |
| 02:26.06 | stormze1 | where do you disable the check at? |
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| 02:26.21 | stormze1 | benjamindees: I didn't know that. |
| 02:26.30 | dpx | anyone know how to create a mysql database with a default login? |
| 02:26.37 | dondelelcaro | stormze1: if you only need a small portion of the disk, only make the filesystem the small portion size. |
| 02:26.40 | dondelelcaro | dpx: you shouldn't. |
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| 02:26.51 | dpx | as in someuser@localhost only |
| 02:26.58 | dpx | it's only for a local application |
| 02:27.03 | dpx | http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CROWD012/2.1.3+MySQL |
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| 02:27.36 | octox2 | is there a way to search for files using apt-get? for instance, if a version number changed in the name |
| 02:27.56 | Supaplex | like apt-file? |
| 02:28.13 | lepton | octox2: apt-cache search <...> |
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| 02:28.27 | rox | stormze1: depends on the filesystem again |
| 02:28.38 | lepton | octox2: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 02:28.44 | rox | stormze1: if you are using ext2/3 then it's the tune2fs tool |
| 02:28.58 | octox2 | lepton: cool, thanks :) |
| 02:29.38 | stormze1 | rox: but the check is there for a reason, right? Is it wise to disable it for even the data? |
| 02:29.40 | deadlyallance613 | ok so i am new to linux how should i partition my hard drive i have about 68gig and 512 ram how big should be my primery extended and swap be ? |
| 02:30.00 | Supaplex | dpx: use postgres. it support ident authentication :) |
| 02:30.07 | Supaplex | among other things |
| 02:30.08 | Nyle | clear |
| 02:30.16 | dpx | neg I'm on satelite and I already downloaded mysql |
| 02:30.20 | dpx | took about 20 minutes |
| 02:30.38 | Nyle | !partitions |
| 02:30.38 | dpkg | You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include fdisk, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ |
| 02:30.45 | Supaplex | good luck with the mysql docs. sun moved %*@(% all around :P |
| 02:30.49 | rox | stormze1: of course it is there for a reason, it checks and possibly repairs your filesystem aftger a certain ammount of time has passed |
| 02:31.26 | deadlyallance613 | i am using gparted right now |
| 02:31.38 | rox | stormze1: your problem is, that the check takes too long and my suggestion was to tune your system to skip some checks while still maintaining at least your system partition healthy |
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| 02:31.59 | deadlyallance613 | i am just looking for guidlines for my partition sizes |
| 02:32.18 | lepton | deadlyallance613: give it a gig of swap |
| 02:32.19 | Supaplex | this big " " (not to scale) |
| 02:32.39 | theatro | haha |
| 02:32.47 | stormze1 | rox: Think I'll just resize the partitions. Didn't realize that there were so many factors. :/ |
| 02:32.50 | deadlyallance613 | lepton thank you ...what do you think i should do for primery and extended |
| 02:33.06 | rox | stormze1: if youo make a small, say 3G partition and run your firewall there, then the check will be done quickly - the other 295G that you will probably be using for storing movies and similar is not as important as the partition that stores your firewall system |
| 02:33.29 | stormze1 | rox: Movies? lol... this is a business machine. :P |
| 02:33.45 | lepton | deadlyallance613: it's more a question of the individual partition sizes. the installer can guide you here ... |
| 02:34.05 | rox | stormze1: so the machine will also be a file or mail server? |
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| 02:34.23 | stormze1 | No. I wouldn't put a file or mail server on a firewall.. or was that a test? |
| 02:34.40 | benjamindees | what does the --second-stage option to debootstrap do? |
| 02:34.55 | rox | stormze1: if this will be a dedicated firewall machine, then it really makes sense to keep your partitions small |
| 02:35.16 | rox | stormze1: you can have lvm partitions, just in case you need to extend them later |
| 02:35.47 | stormze1 | rox: thanks for your help. :) |
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| 02:36.14 | rox | stormze1: no problem, that's what we are here for |
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| 02:39.27 | dpx | how do I create a database that defaults to innoDB? |
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| 02:40.29 | rox | dpx: you specify it in the database creation script. See documentation on mysql.com |
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| 02:44.10 | dpx | !JRE |
| 02:44.11 | dpkg | [java] a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 02:44.24 | dpx | !install java |
| 02:44.24 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
| 02:44.51 | dpx | how can I find out what the path to the jre is? I have a requirement to set JAVA_HOME env |
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| 02:45.51 | IceWewe | hello, I'm trying to transition from an IDE hard drive to a SCSI hard drive on a workstation and I'm getting a grub error 21 or "disk not found" yet the disk is set to boot in BIOS, and I've installed and updated grub... |
| 02:46.00 | Tramp | !tell dpx about selftell |
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| 02:48.49 | Supaplex | IceWewe: maybe your /boot/grub/device.map was off? (if that's the file) |
| 02:48.56 | rox | dpx: which java |
| 02:49.04 | Supaplex | !tell IceWewe -about rescue |
| 02:49.20 | Supaplex | IceWewe: the wiki might have some tips on your grub issue |
| 02:52.43 | IceWewe | Supaplex: nope, I've corrected that file |
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| 02:53.10 | rox | IceWewe: if you manually run grub, can it use the disk? |
| 02:53.24 | rox | IceWewe: from the grub console |
| 02:53.46 | IceWewe | rox: I don't get to the console |
| 02:54.00 | IceWewe | rox: it hangs before it makes it to consoe |
| 02:54.02 | IceWewe | console* |
| 02:54.18 | jetscreamer | he means the grub shell you get from the menu |
| 02:54.22 | jetscreamer | not the 'console' |
| 02:54.24 | rox | IceWewe: you mean you are unable to boot that system totally? |
| 02:54.29 | jetscreamer | hit c when you see |
| 02:54.33 | IceWewe | rox: I am unable to boot the system totally |
| 02:54.34 | jetscreamer | the menu-e |
| 02:54.47 | IceWewe | I get no grub menu |
| 02:54.59 | jetscreamer | use a grub floppy or a cd with grub on it |
| 02:55.08 | jetscreamer | memstick |
| 02:55.24 | rox | IceWewe: ok - but if you boot the system from another disk - maybe a cd or something and run grub from command line |
| 02:55.29 | jetscreamer | there's a grub floppy image on grub.org or somewhere... the bot knows |
| 02:55.41 | jetscreamer | !grub floppy |
| 02:55.42 | dpkg | i heard grub floppy image is http://packages.debian.org/grub-disk, or http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Creating-a-GRUB-boot-floppy.html, or ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 02:55.43 | rox | IceWewe: can grub use the disk? |
| 02:56.36 | rox | IceWewe: or the boot stops before you even get to grub? |
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| 02:56.58 | jetscreamer | you would get a grub error, theoretically |
| 02:57.01 | Nyle | hi |
| 02:57.06 | IceWewe | rox: boot stop before I get to grub |
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| 02:57.11 | jetscreamer | otherwise it's your hardware probably |
| 02:57.13 | IceWewe | I get error 21, "Disk not found" |
| 02:57.16 | dondelelcaro | I'm going to be removing 57 lines of bans; /ignore #debian MODES; is strongly recommended. |
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| 02:57.25 | IceWewe | this is my menu.lst http://pastebin.com/m5870cae2 |
| 02:57.29 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 02:57.31 | jetscreamer | you go girl! |
| 02:57.33 | rox | IceWewe: but that is a grub error |
| 02:57.40 | dabreegster | how can i force my laptop's fan on with acpi? echoing 0 to /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/cooling_mode did zilch |
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| 02:57.52 | Nyle | 21:57 Ignoring CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS MODES NICKS CLIENTCRAP from * |
| 02:58.05 | IceWewe | rox: yes, I'm aware that I'm having a grub error, I'm asking how do I fix it? obviously the bootloader is not being correctly installed or it would work |
| 02:58.08 | jetscreamer | how exciting |
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| 02:58.35 | Nyle | 21:58 Ignoring * from jetscreamer |
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| 02:58.52 | jetscreamer | next time try "'I GET GRUB ERROR 21' WHAT DO I DO I'M A NOOB WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO ASK A QUESTION" or something like that |
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| 02:59.09 | Nyle | you google for "grub error 21" |
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| 02:59.10 | jetscreamer | that is a lot of spam |
| 02:59.11 | rox | IceWewe: i am telling you to run grub from the command line and from the grub console try out if grub can use the disk in question |
| 02:59.12 | Nyle | find out what causes it |
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| 03:00.02 | OBcecado | unbanning spree |
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| 03:00.11 | wols | IceWewe: you rescue boot debian and reinstall grub |
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| 03:00.25 | IceWewe | Nyle: already been to google, not much help. That's why I came here, it's Debian, after all. |
| 03:00.26 | wols | IceWewe: with grub-install |
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| 03:00.50 | IceWewe | rox: ok, I'm in the grub command line (on system booted off the IDE drive), what did you want me to do? |
| 03:00.51 | jetscreamer | use a grub floppy or a cd with grub on it |
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| 03:00.54 | Nyle | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting |
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| 03:00.57 | jetscreamer | gee what a thought |
| 03:00.58 | Nyle | !grub |
| 03:00.58 | dpkg | well, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr>. |
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| 03:01.13 | jetscreamer | that's a lot more than 58 i think |
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| 03:01.21 | jetscreamer | but who's counting :) |
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| 03:01.31 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: free() is :) |
| 03:01.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | dondelelcaro, thats an increadable lineup. |
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| 03:01.51 | Nyle | dpkg grub.errors is grub error X? go to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting to find out what it means |
| 03:01.52 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 03:02.11 | Nyle | dpkg grub is also <reply>grub.errors |
| 03:02.11 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 03:02.12 | dondelelcaro | you can unignore now if you want |
| 03:02.17 | dabreegster | How do I control acpi? Echoing things onto the files in /proc like the HOWTO says dont work. |
| 03:02.24 | stormze1 | lol.. never got the command right. :P |
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| 03:02.31 | jetscreamer | i dont' think <reply> works with is also's |
| 03:02.33 | dabreegster | And the docs are pretty scarce |
| 03:02.34 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 03:02.39 | jetscreamer | !grub |
| 03:02.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr>. <reply>grub.errors |
| 03:02.46 | jetscreamer | thusly |
| 03:02.47 | IceWewe | wols: I've already supposidly installed grub on /dev/sda using that command |
| 03:03.06 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: grub =~ s/, or <reply>/ or <grub.errors>/ |
| 03:03.06 | dpkg | that doesn't contain ', or <reply>', dondelelcaro |
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| 03:03.14 | wols | IceWewe: where are your grub files? |
| 03:03.15 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: literal grub |
| 03:03.16 | dpkg | "grub" is "the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr>. <reply>grub.errors" |
| 03:03.28 | jetscreamer | <reply>grub.errors |
| 03:03.34 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: grub =~ s/. <reply>grub.errors/ or <grub.errors>/ |
| 03:03.34 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 03:03.38 | IceWewe | jetscreamer: yes, you can spew URLs, which I have already read and are of no use to me anymore. Yes, it can't boot, I'm now trying to figureout what the hell is wrong with grub, and if you think I'm a noob, then yes, I'm a debian noob. But I'm not an idiot when it comes to linux, so don't treat me like one. |
| 03:03.52 | jetscreamer | =~ s/ |
| 03:04.07 | jetscreamer | IceWewe: what? boot the damn thing is what i said. |
| 03:04.09 | Nyle | IceWewe: where does grub fail? |
| 03:04.18 | Nyle | IceWewe: what is the error message of grub? |
| 03:04.24 | jetscreamer | what part of use a grub floppy did you not understand... |
| 03:04.38 | jetscreamer | nm sowwy |
| 03:04.41 | IceWewe | Grub fails at stage 1.5, error message is "Error 21" |
| 03:04.46 | jetscreamer | i'm already irritated |
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| 03:05.07 | rox | IceWewe: it is a stage2 error, meaning that grub read the menu.lst file and the menu.lst file lists the wrong disk |
| 03:05.22 | IceWewe | which is, and I will quote from the grub site: "21 : Selected disk does not exist: This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system. " |
| 03:05.25 | jetscreamer | you probably want UUID= in menu.lst and fstab |
| 03:05.27 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 03:05.35 | Nyle | 21 : Selected disk does not exist |
| 03:05.37 | Nyle | This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system. |
| 03:05.42 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:05.45 | Nyle | oops |
| 03:05.48 | IceWewe | Nyle: http://pastebin.com/m5870cae2 |
| 03:05.48 | rox | IceWewe: i am not entirely sure, but i think that you should be able to get to grub console if you were at stage2 |
| 03:05.50 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: right, so that usually means that you need to reinstall grub into the mbr |
| 03:06.05 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: I've already done that, multiple times |
| 03:06.12 | jetscreamer | rox.. don't think so, but not sure either |
| 03:06.16 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: so boot off of something that you know works, mount the drives, chroot into the system and rerun the grub console, and do the install. |
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| 03:06.28 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: what have you been booting off of? what kind of disk is this? |
| 03:06.44 | wols | dondelelcaro: wouldn't a dbeian rescue mode be best: no chroot stuff too? |
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| 03:06.57 | dondelelcaro | wols: doesn't really matter |
| 03:06.57 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: I can't. I've booted off a knoppix CD, mounted proc and /dev to the chroot and chrooted in. But when I try to install grub to /dev/sda I get "/dev/hda1 has no BIOS device" or some crap like that |
| 03:07.12 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: I have been booting off an IDE disk, I'm now trying to boot off a SCSI disk |
| 03:07.13 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: well, that's the critial error. |
| 03:07.16 | jetscreamer | use a grub floppy and just boot debian was my thought |
| 03:07.30 | wols | IceWewe: YOU NEED A NEW DEVICE:MAP |
| 03:07.32 | IceWewe | jetscreamer: this is the 21st century, I refuse to use a floppy to boot |
| 03:07.38 | wols | DAAMN1 |
| 03:07.44 | wols | you need na new device map |
| 03:07.46 | benjamindees | heh |
| 03:07.51 | jetscreamer | IceWewe: you hit esc on the menu of the knoppix cd to get out of the graphical menu, then hit c for a grubshell |
| 03:08.01 | jetscreamer | then you boot your debian |
| 03:08.17 | jetscreamer | least that's how the knoppix cd worked |
| 03:08.20 | IceWewe | jetscreamer: and I do this every time I want to boot? |
| 03:08.21 | IceWewe | no. |
| 03:08.24 | jetscreamer | ierr |
| 03:08.32 | jetscreamer | i mean that's how the kanotix cd worked |
| 03:08.39 | jetscreamer | uh duh |
| 03:08.44 | jetscreamer | once you boot the system you fix your error |
| 03:08.53 | IceWewe | wols: ok, and how do I go about getting a new device map if I can't use "grub-install" from a chroot? |
| 03:08.55 | rox | IceWewe: can you pastebin the /boot/grub/device.map file? |
| 03:09.07 | jetscreamer | i did NOT say chroot i said boot debian |
| 03:09.15 | IceWewe | jetscreamer: I'm in DEBIAN right now! |
| 03:09.23 | jetscreamer | in a chroot? |
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| 03:09.34 | wols | IceWewe: easiest is to edit the device.map |
| 03:09.41 | IceWewe | jetscreamer: I'm in Debian, booted off the IDE HDD, now I can install the grub bootloader onto the SCSI drive and guess what? *gasp* IT WON'T WORK |
| 03:09.45 | IceWewe | wols: I have a device map |
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| 03:09.57 | wols | IceWewe: a broken one. doesn't mention sda, does it? |
| 03:10.04 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: which one do you want to boot off of? |
| 03:10.12 | IceWewe | wols: it does |
| 03:10.22 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: in the ideal world, the SCSI drive |
| 03:10.25 | jetscreamer | IceWewe: so did you like just copy your install to the new scsi disk or what? |
| 03:10.28 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: so run just grub. |
| 03:10.34 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: ugh. that's not particularly helpful. |
| 03:10.37 | wols | IceWewe: which disk is first in BIOPS boot order and what does the .map file say? |
| 03:10.48 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: once you've got grub running, run root (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 03:10.48 | IceWewe | wols: the "broken" device.map is (fd0) /dev/fd0; (hd0) /dev/sda; (hd1) /dev/hda |
| 03:11.01 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: yes it is because if he did his uuid would be set to the old drive, in menu.lst and fstab |
| 03:11.07 | wols | is SDA the first BIOS drive? |
| 03:11.11 | deadlyallance613 | should /boot be my mount point ? |
| 03:11.14 | IceWewe | wols: it should be |
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| 03:11.18 | Nyle | deadlyallance613: ? |
| 03:11.22 | wols | how do you KNOW? |
| 03:11.25 | jetscreamer | just delete the device.map and grub-install will create you a new one |
| 03:11.30 | jetscreamer | backup/delete, whichever |
| 03:11.31 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: that has nothing to do with it, because we haven't even got to the point where menu.lst and fstab could be loaded. |
| 03:11.32 | IceWewe | wols: doesn't matter anyway, I've tried booting without the IDE drive, in which case it will be |
| 03:11.33 | Nyle | deadlyallance613: what are you trying nto mount? |
| 03:11.50 | IceWewe | ok, how the h*ll do I mute jetscreamer?! |
| 03:11.53 | wols | IceWewe: what is your grub-install line? |
| 03:11.59 | IceWewe | wols: grub-install /dev/sda |
| 03:12.01 | wols | IceWewe: help /ignore |
| 03:12.04 | Nyle | IceWewe: /ignore |
| 03:12.19 | deadlyallance613 | i am trying out a new installer and its asking me what partitions to install to and what the mount points of them be ? |
| 03:12.21 | jetscreamer | fuck you |
| 03:12.23 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 03:12.40 | Nyle | deadlyallance613: /msg dpkg partitions |
| 03:12.47 | rox | deadlyallance613: if you ment to ask whether /boot should be a separate partition, then it depends on your personal preferences |
| 03:12.51 | wols | IceWewe: and the exact error is? |
| 03:12.52 | Nyle | deadlyallance613: the linux partitio howto link |
| 03:13.06 | rox | deadlyallance613: generally you don't need /boot to be a separate partition |
| 03:13.13 | jetscreamer | did he ever answer how he got his os on his shiny new disk? |
| 03:13.14 | IceWewe | jetscreamer: either contribute some helpful advice, or stop telling me how much of a noob I am because we've established that that isn't helping |
| 03:13.18 | wols | deadlyallance613: make a / and a swap partition |
| 03:13.18 | deadlyallance613 | i am just puting it all on 1 winch is the mount point |
| 03:13.21 | IceWewe | wols: I get grub error 21, device not found |
| 03:13.23 | dondelelcaro | though you do if you're using raid (which isn't raid0) or lvm. |
| 03:13.32 | deadlyallance613 | wois yeah thans dude |
| 03:13.34 | wols | IceWewe: grubinstall doesn't give you that error |
| 03:13.34 | Nyle | deadlyallance613: just do a 1 / |
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| 03:13.44 | jetscreamer | IceWewe: just answer if you installed to scsi disk or cp -a 'd it and i'll stfu |
| 03:13.47 | Nyle | deadlyallance613: and make a seperate /home |
| 03:13.48 | IceWewe | wols: no, grub-install exits with no errors |
| 03:13.55 | IceWewe | jetscreamer: I used tar to copy my files |
| 03:13.56 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: again, that's got nothing to do with it. |
| 03:13.58 | Nyle | deadlyallance613: or use guided partioning |
| 03:13.59 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 03:14.07 | GhostlyDeath | How can I figure out why malloc segfaults? |
| 03:14.10 | IceWewe | jetscreamer: not that that really matters, as we're dealing with a bootloader |
| 03:14.10 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: ok, so run grub-install --recheck /dev/sda; and see what it says. |
| 03:14.20 | wols | IceWewe: then what about the device.map errors stuff you told us earlier |
| 03:14.30 | IceWewe | wols: what about it? I get error 21. |
| 03:14.30 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: do he copied his install off an ide disk that theoretically has uuid set in fstab and menu.lst and it doens't matter? ok |
| 03:14.36 | jetscreamer | s/do/so/ |
| 03:14.41 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: it may matter *LATER*, but not now. |
| 03:14.41 | Nyle | haha do |
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| 03:14.42 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: nothing, looks fine |
| 03:14.46 | wols | jetscreamer: it doesn't for grub. |
| 03:14.47 | IceWewe | jetscreamer: I've changed the UUIDs |
| 03:14.56 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: ah. i see. |
| 03:14.58 | Nyle | jetscreamer: go smoke a jay |
| 03:15.01 | jetscreamer | pardon my blindness |
| 03:15.03 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: ok, now you've actually installed grub to /dev/sda. |
| 03:15.18 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: now it's worth seeing if it will boot off of /dev/sda. |
| 03:15.18 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: and this recheck did what? |
| 03:15.24 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: it ignored your device map. |
| 03:15.24 | benjamindees | google seems to intimate that I should be able to run debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage from within a chroot in order to get a (more) installed system; but I don't see this anywhere? |
| 03:15.27 | jetscreamer | IceWewe: oh ok nm you may now /ignore jetscrea@*.* |
| 03:15.33 | Nyle | intimate? |
| 03:15.35 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: man grub-install |
| 03:15.36 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:15.40 | Nyle | hahahahahaha |
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| 03:16.10 | jetscreamer | yes today was benefit day nyle, how did you know |
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| 03:16.19 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: it's documented in the manpage |
| 03:16.32 | Nyle | jetscreamer: it came to me in a dream |
| 03:16.46 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: the only reason why it'd be useful is if you're installing in a chroot which is not the same architecture as the place where you started the install |
| 03:17.07 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: and ignoring the device map makes it want to boot off the SCSI hdd, how? |
| 03:17.21 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: considering that I wasn't in a chroot when I did that... |
| 03:17.23 | jetscreamer | however, you should still be able to boot it (the scsi) using grubshell |
| 03:17.40 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: uh... you should have been chrooted into /dev/sda this whole time; otherwise it's kind of useless. |
| 03:17.50 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: not if it can't find the second stage, which is the problem. |
| 03:17.51 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: I can't chroot, it won't see /dev/sda |
| 03:18.01 | jetscreamer | ooooooooooo |
| 03:18.11 | jetscreamer | he has multiple controllers then :) |
| 03:18.15 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: uh... why can't it see /dev/sda? |
| 03:18.15 | rox | IceWewe: that's what i have been asking you the whole time |
| 03:18.18 | jetscreamer | he has my bug! |
| 03:18.23 | jetscreamer | blame udev |
| 03:18.35 | jetscreamer | because it's not sda |
| 03:18.36 | IceWewe | rox: oh, really? |
| 03:18.40 | dabreegster | All acpi docs say control is achieved by writing to /proc/acpi files, but proc is readonly and it never works. |
| 03:18.46 | jetscreamer | it will never be sda if you think it is |
| 03:18.47 | IceWewe | arugh |
| 03:18.51 | jetscreamer | and i'm not making that up |
| 03:18.52 | IceWewe | ok |
| 03:18.54 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: proc isn't read only. |
| 03:18.56 | IceWewe | I have two controllers |
| 03:19.17 | IceWewe | fuckin' a |
| 03:19.43 | dpx | where does sun java jre get installed from non-free apt-get? |
| 03:19.45 | IceWewe | I have an integrated SCSI controller and an integrated IDE controller |
| 03:19.48 | dabreegster | My mistake. Still, manual fan control isn't working the way the HOWTO describes. echoing numbers to cooling_mode have no effect. |
| 03:19.53 | wols | !tell dpx about install java |
| 03:19.58 | Nyle | !tell dpx -about |
| 03:20.01 | IceWewe | one is IDE, on one controller |
| 03:20.01 | Nyle | mother fucker |
| 03:20.05 | Nyle | :/ |
| 03:20.07 | IceWewe | the other is SCSI, on the other controller |
| 03:20.13 | IceWewe | I'm trying to boot the SCSI drive |
| 03:20.19 | dpx | yea I've read that and it doesn't give me information about where it's installed really |
| 03:20.31 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: right, that's all fine. You can make that configuration work, but first you need to be able to mount the scsi drive and chroot into it, assuming that it's the one that contains /boot. |
| 03:20.33 | wols | dpx: dpkg -L |
| 03:20.36 | jetscreamer | a -486 kernel won't have that problem |
| 03:20.36 | Nyle | dpx: where? dpkg -L pkgname |
| 03:20.47 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: there is no partition /boot |
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| 03:20.53 | dabreegster | There it goes. Wow, this fan is... useless. |
| 03:20.56 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 03:20.59 | rox | dpx: it's just repackages sun's java |
| 03:21.02 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: some partition contains /boot. |
| 03:21.13 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: doesn't matter whether it's a separate partition or not. |
| 03:21.15 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: right, /dev/sda1 does... my misunderstanding... |
| 03:21.33 | IceWewe | ARUGHHH! |
| 03:21.36 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: right, so mount /dev/sda1 somewhere, chroot, and then run the grub install command. |
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| 03:21.50 | jetscreamer | you need to do that other stuff |
| 03:21.54 | dpx | and finally, there was something about --config java? does anyone know what command that is? |
| 03:21.55 | jetscreamer | mount proc or whatever |
| 03:22.09 | jetscreamer | update-alternatives probably, dpx |
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| 03:22.20 | jetscreamer | or possibly |
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| 03:22.35 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: ack... it detected /dev/hda as hd0... I want that to be hd1... |
| 03:22.35 | dpx | thanks that's it |
| 03:22.35 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: yeah, I don't know enought about the acpi configuration to really help you beyond saying that you can write to /proc if you're root. ;-) |
| 03:22.43 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: that doesn't really matter. |
| 03:22.50 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: the point is that it has to be consistent. |
| 03:22.51 | jetscreamer | ok now you know i know |
| 03:22.58 | jetscreamer | it won't be consistent |
| 03:23.02 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: i got it. the fan is useless tho. this thing will just have to get hot. |
| 03:23.15 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: heh |
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| 03:23.39 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: no, it's a problem because my menu.lst points to hd0... |
| 03:23.48 | dabreegster | Anybody know of any issues with rebooting a laptop with acpi? It umounts everything, says power down, and even turns off the screen, but then does nothing. Fan stays on and power button is unresponsive; have to yank the battery. Normal shutdown is fine though. |
| 03:23.48 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: that's a separate problem. |
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| 03:23.51 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: change menu.lst? |
| 03:24.00 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: one that you can fix after you get the second stage loaded. |
| 03:24.02 | jetscreamer | IceWewe: take the hd's off the ide controller |
| 03:24.22 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: ok, I've installed grub from the chroot, it worked |
| 03:24.26 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: now I reboot? |
| 03:24.28 | michaelkyle | hi, how can i change my resolution? im running at 800x600 and its pretty annoying. but i dont see any option to set 1024x768 |
| 03:24.33 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: try rebooting, yeah. |
| 03:25.02 | wols | !tell michaelkyle about drxx |
| 03:25.07 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: it may be that you'll need to reboot *without* a ide drive in using a cdrom or something, but hopefully this will "just" work |
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| 03:25.43 | rox | dabreegster: should probably check on linuxlaptops.org and see about your specific model |
| 03:25.44 | jetscreamer | !tell AwesomeGuy -about root |
| 03:25.45 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: I unplugged the IDE drive... |
| 03:25.54 | dabreegster | rox: alright. thanks |
| 03:26.07 | jetscreamer | you box might not boot if you only unplugged the power |
| 03:26.14 | michaelkyle | wols i did that but i messed up last time, what can i do if i mes it again, i ended up reinstalling debian :( |
| 03:26.20 | jetscreamer | mine like to hang autodetecting |
| 03:26.26 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: yeah, I've personally never seen that |
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| 03:26.34 | wols | michaelkyle: you ca do it again. until you get it right |
| 03:26.39 | dondelelcaro | but I've only used a few dozen i386 laptops |
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| 03:26.54 | dondelelcaro | (mostly fujitsu and thinkpads) |
| 03:26.57 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: oh, fun |
| 03:27.06 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: now I get "Grub Hard Disk Error" |
| 03:27.08 | rox | michaelkyle: you never need to reinstall debian |
| 03:27.13 | wols | michaelkyle: and xorg.conf files are backed up too |
| 03:27.16 | michaelkyle | wols, em, so thats your recommendation? if u dont do it right just reinstall the entire debian and try again? OO |
| 03:27.26 | wols | michaelkyle: no, try drxx again |
| 03:27.29 | rox | michaelkyle: debian is not windows, everything can be fixed without a reinstall |
| 03:27.32 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: well, at least that's a different error. What's the exact error message? |
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| 03:27.42 | wols | !tell michaelkyle about reinstall |
| 03:27.42 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: that was it |
| 03:27.43 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: did it make it to loading stage 2? |
| 03:27.43 | michaelkyle | rox, ... |
| 03:27.54 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: nope |
| 03:28.20 | michaelkyle | i understand, the thing is, once i mess the xorg.cof how i set it back? if i dont have any desk at all |
| 03:28.24 | jetscreamer | grubshell |
| 03:28.31 | jetscreamer | >chroot for this |
| 03:28.43 | wols | michaelkyle: you have a console shell |
| 03:28.56 | wols | and I told you: there are backups |
| 03:28.57 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: ok, is there anything unusual about the filesystem on sda1? Did it load stage 1.5? |
| 03:29.06 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: no, it's just standard ext3 |
| 03:29.14 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: I don't know if it made it to 1.5 or not... |
| 03:29.23 | wols | IceWewe: it tells you |
| 03:29.25 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: that's the only line of text on the screen is that error? |
| 03:29.25 | rox | IceWewe: no lvm or raid under it? |
| 03:29.31 | IceWewe | rox: nope |
| 03:29.39 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: that is correct |
| 03:29.47 | dondelelcaro | yuck |
| 03:29.49 | IceWewe | yup |
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| 03:30.08 | dondelelcaro | IceWewe: ok; try booting off of a cdrom (like your initial install media), chrooting, and running grub using that. |
| 03:30.36 | dondelelcaro | (the initial grub errors are really a PITA to debug) |
| 03:30.38 | rox | IceWewe: try pressing escape before grub starts, then press c to get into the grub shell |
| 03:30.49 | IceWewe | dondelelcaro: I'll just backup my myth database and reinstall knoppmyth on only the SCSI hard drive, then I'll restore, this is too much f*cking work |
| 03:30.58 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 03:31.10 | jetscreamer | ah there it is |
| 03:31.14 | jetscreamer | !fixmbr |
| 03:31.15 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 03:31.15 | wols | IceWewe: is this all knoppmyth and not debian? |
| 03:31.26 | IceWewe | wols: knoppmyth is Debian |
| 03:31.31 | wols | no it is not |
| 03:31.36 | jetscreamer | no it's not |
| 03:31.36 | IceWewe | wols: yes, it is |
| 03:31.42 | wols | !knoppix |
| 03:31.43 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems. |
| 03:31.52 | jetscreamer | IceWewe: use a 486 kernel, no problems anymore. then fix it. |
| 03:31.55 | jetscreamer | byebye |
| 03:32.10 | wols | jetscreamer: 486 kernels don't help with grub errors... |
| 03:32.17 | rox | IceWewe: or better, give yourself a timeout in menu.lst, then press escape and c when you gdet to the grub menu. Then try to issue grub boot commands manually |
| 03:32.29 | rox | IceWewe: use tab completion too |
| 03:32.29 | IceWewe | rox: I don't get to a grub menu |
| 03:32.31 | dondelelcaro | rox: yeah, if stage 2 isn't loading (which it isn't) you won't get a grub shell |
| 03:32.32 | jetscreamer | wols: they help with udev hell and multiple controllers that give that damn error |
| 03:32.35 | wols | rox: there is no menu.lst to load: he doesn't get that far |
| 03:32.36 | IceWewe | rox: I don't get to a grub meny |
| 03:32.50 | IceWewe | gah, menu* |
| 03:32.58 | rox | IceWewe: sorry, my bad |
| 03:32.59 | michaelkyle | wols, what i have to put on my vertrefreshs and horizyncs? |
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| 03:33.07 | rox | IceWewe: i was getting the wrong picture |
| 03:33.12 | jetscreamer | michaelkyle: hwinfo --monitor |
| 03:33.13 | wols | michaelkyle: nothing or whateevr your monitor has |
| 03:33.15 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 03:33.15 | dpkg | [hwinfo] your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 03:33.38 | wols | IceWewe: but your problem is OT here anyways |
| 03:34.14 | IceWewe | wols: my problem happens to be OT wherever I go... |
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| 03:34.24 | wols | not on knoppmyth forums/channels |
| 03:34.50 | IceWewe | oh goody, you mean I can have an answer to my problems by May 15th?! |
| 03:34.51 | abrotman | or ##linux |
| 03:34.52 | IceWewe | awesome! |
| 03:35.14 | wols | IceWewe: you chose your distro, you got your support options. not our problem |
| 03:35.15 | jetscreamer | IceWewe: i've told you how to fix it. > 1 way also. of course i'm the guy who needs to be /ignored... and the guy who knows your problem. |
| 03:35.29 | IceWewe | jetscreamer: ok, what is my problem, genius? |
| 03:36.01 | jetscreamer | besides the obvious one? |
| 03:36.08 | dondelelcaro | whatever the problem is, it's not on topic here; kindly drop it. |
| 03:36.27 | IceWewe | ok, I can see I'm not gonna get anymore help here |
| 03:36.29 | IceWewe | bye! |
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| 03:36.37 | jetscreamer | you got a LOT of help |
| 03:36.44 | jetscreamer | ah well |
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| 03:37.24 | jetscreamer | just chrooting in and running grub-install does NOT work |
| 03:38.20 | benjamindees | it's sort of frustrating that debootstrap doesn't even populate /dev |
| 03:38.25 | jetscreamer | mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc |
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| 03:38.37 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: it doesn't, because that's udev's job now. |
| 03:38.52 | jetscreamer | when wil udev get deprecated |
| 03:38.53 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: though you can do it really easily using MAKEDEV if you don't want to use udev. |
| 03:38.54 | wols | benjamindees: why should it iwth udev? |
| 03:38.59 | benjamindees | it's like I'm installing woody all over again ;) |
| 03:39.08 | michaelkyle | hwinfo --monitor dont show anything |
| 03:39.20 | wols | michaelkyle: crt or LCD? |
| 03:39.24 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: it won't until it gets replaced with something better. |
| 03:39.34 | dondelelcaro | for what it is, it's quite useful |
| 03:39.39 | dclarke | since #debianppc is a ghost town with no signs of life .. at all .. I'll ash here about how to netboot the debian PPC installer with only a serial console. anyone have a clue ? |
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| 03:40.26 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: you just need to make sure that console=ttyS0,38400n8 gets added to the kernel line; I don't remember how to do that doing netboot, but the installation manual should tell you |
| 03:40.27 | benjamindees | step 1: make sure you have a working serial null-modem cable |
| 03:40.42 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever your serial line actually is) |
| 03:40.58 | dclarke | boot eth:172.31.254.249,kernel_efika,172.31.254.251,172.31.254.249 kernel_efika console=ttyPSC0 |
| 03:41.02 | michaelkyle | wols, CRT |
| 03:41.05 | benjamindees | I'm pretty sure everything in debian is setup to use 9600 8/n/1 |
| 03:41.10 | dclarke | that is one thing I did .. it seems to work |
| 03:41.26 | jetscreamer | as soon as udev came into debian, i got this bug... same 'bug' as knopmythdude i believe... udev breaks my joystick in quake (yeah sure fix quake)... |
| 03:41.41 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: yeah, you'll want to give it an explicite bitrate, though. |
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| 03:41.50 | dclarke | okay .. I'll go back and try that |
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| 03:42.11 | Miesco | dpkg netatalk |
| 03:42.11 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: and then the installer will just come up, assuming that that's actually the right serial name [kind of unusual from where I'm sitting, but YMMV.] |
| 03:42.25 | dclarke | the real issue is yaboot .. |
| 03:42.31 | dclarke | I'm not too sure what to do wit hthat |
| 03:42.45 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: well, that's after you do the install |
| 03:42.46 | dclarke | let me correct myself |
| 03:43.00 | dclarke | the command that works .. thus far .. is : boot eth:172.31.254.249,vmlinuz-chrp_initrd,172.31.254.251,172.31.254.249 vmlinuz-chrp_initrd console=ttyPSC0 |
| 03:43.23 | jetscreamer | i think i have a piece of paper in my cpu fan |
| 03:43.24 | dondelelcaro | I've no clue if yaboot supports serial consoles; though I do know that OF has some support, so there's no intrinsic reason why it wouldn't. |
| 03:43.29 | dclarke | that manually specifies the tftp server ip, the client ip, the linux kernel to load and then |
| 03:43.47 | dclarke | these are the files I am using : http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/ |
| 03:43.59 | dclarke | note that yaboot.conf is there |
| 03:44.10 | dclarke | and .. well .. let me really show you exactly what happens |
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| 03:45.06 | dclarke | this looks very promising : http://rafb.net/p/ALx1tn15.html |
| 03:45.22 | man_in_shack | i'm about to try installing a new debian system from a running debian system |
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| 03:46.09 | phorce1 | What's the next widescreen resolution down from 1680x1050? |
| 03:46.13 | dclarke | it says "Linux/PPC 2.6.18" and then arch:exit and Have fun! ??? |
| 03:46.15 | rox | man_in_shack: good luck |
| 03:46.19 | man_in_shack | rox, ty |
| 03:46.54 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: huh. that's really weird. |
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| 03:46.58 | phorce1 | My fonts went wonky at last reboot and I'm trying to get a screen clear enough to not give me a headache while I figure out what I broke. |
| 03:47.08 | aawd | anyone good with lighty around? |
| 03:47.53 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: it looks like the kernel is loading properly and everything; are you sure that you've got the serial device right? |
| 03:48.16 | dclarke | I just tried again right now |
| 03:48.22 | dclarke | and it clearly says command line: console=ttyPSC0,115200n8 |
| 03:48.59 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: right, that's fine. My question was if that's the right serial device. |
| 03:49.07 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: because something more normal would be ttyS0 |
| 03:49.08 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/APKxHF98.html |
| 03:49.20 | dclarke | well ... it certainly seems to provide output |
| 03:49.33 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: that's not the kernel that's providing the output yet |
| 03:49.33 | dclarke | so I think it is correct |
| 03:49.37 | aawd | I have 3 domains pointing to the same server ip (com/net/org). net/org is redirected to com. I have a ssl certificate which im using on .com. But I dont want it applyed on .org and .net |
| 03:49.40 | dclarke | I can see everything it does |
| 03:49.54 | aawd | how do I limit it to only apply the ssl cert to .com |
| 03:49.55 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: none of the output you've shown is actually from the kernel; that's all from OF |
| 03:50.01 | dclarke | really ? |
| 03:50.03 | aawd | if this is even possible |
| 03:50.04 | dclarke | ooooh |
| 03:50.06 | dclarke | crud |
| 03:50.22 | phorce1 | 1440x900 -- better but small fonts aren't being rendered clearly in IceWeasel --- blurry and missing bits. Any howto's for font cleanup in Debian X.org? |
| 03:51.04 | dondelelcaro | aawd: only have the .com site on :443 |
| 03:51.14 | dondelelcaro | aawd: since everything else redirects, it should be fine. |
| 03:51.59 | dondelelcaro | (you will potentially have problems with people visiting https://foo.net, but that'd be pretty wierd unless you're inconsistent) |
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| 03:52.34 | aawd | No its not all fine. Because IE reacts on the domain mismatch when entering https*.net |
| 03:52.49 | aawd | and prevents the redirect from completing |
| 03:52.52 | michaelkyle | wols, ? its a crt |
| 03:53.02 | wols | I know now |
| 03:53.55 | aawd | dibdekekcari: You can only specify ip in $SERVER["socket"] |
| 03:54.11 | dondelelcaro | aawd: yes, which is why you don't advertise the https://foo.net sites. |
| 03:54.22 | aawd | I dont |
| 03:54.29 | dondelelcaro | aawd: so what's the problme then? |
| 03:54.32 | aawd | well, I guess im taking this a bit far |
| 03:54.39 | dclarke | dondelelcaro: I can confirm that the device does use ttyPSC0 as a serial device : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461374 |
| 03:54.43 | aawd | you're right |
| 03:55.03 | wols | phorce1: what video driver? |
| 03:55.11 | dclarke | sorry .. wrong link : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403031 |
| 03:55.14 | phorce1 | wols: nvidia |
| 03:55.19 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 403031 |
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| 03:55.23 | dpkg | #403031:W[rootskel] Serial console detection should happen only once.; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:48:11 UTC |
| 03:55.34 | michaelkyle | wols, then why u asked? |
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| 03:55.55 | dclarke | dondelelcaro: the text is more helpful : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403031 |
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| 03:57.00 | dclarke | the openfirmware can show me the properties of the serial device also : http://rafb.net/p/W5Kx2h13.html |
| 03:57.18 | dclarke | so I think that the console is correct |
| 03:57.59 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: yeah, maybe try asking on debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org, then. I don't have much experience on that machine |
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| 03:58.04 | ashk4n | hey all |
| 03:58.08 | ashk4n | got an install q |
| 03:58.16 | dclarke | dondelelcaro: it is okay .. no one does |
| 03:58.18 | ashk4n | ive got an external disk thats going into a headless setup |
| 03:58.26 | ashk4n | trying to figure out the best way to get deb onto it |
| 03:58.35 | ashk4n | (i tried debian takeover but it failed with a chroot error) |
| 03:58.38 | dclarke | dondelelcaro: I installed Debian on it maybe a year ago and it worked great .. but not for a year have I tried |
| 03:59.04 | phorce1 | wols: What's odd is that small fonts were clear before a reboot and I don't recall doing anything that messes with the video. The output on a pastebin.ca page is basically unreadable unless I copy/paste it into a text editor. |
| 03:59.06 | rox | ashk4n: how about debootstrap? |
| 03:59.06 | man_in_shack | ashk4n, you could fix chroot ... |
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| 03:59.32 | ashk4n | rox/man: the box im installin on is a crippled redhat 7.3 setup |
| 03:59.35 | ashk4n | so it might be tricky |
| 03:59.38 | man_in_shack | i'm debootstrapping a new system as we speak |
| 03:59.43 | jetscreamer | ebay wants YOU! |
| 03:59.48 | ashk4n | i installed debbootstrap and debtakover to try |
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| 04:00.22 | rox | ashk4n: how about booting off a deb-based live cd and debootstraping your disk from that system? |
| 04:00.23 | DustyBin | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/milestone/0.21 |
| 04:00.26 | DustyBin | 98%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:00.33 | jetscreamer | how's the outback, man_in_shack ? |
| 04:00.42 | man_in_shack | jetscreamer, out and back, as usual |
| 04:00.48 | ashk4n | rox: that was going to be my next step |
| 04:00.55 | ashk4n | but my machines are in a state of flux |
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| 04:01.05 | jetscreamer | good point |
| 04:01.06 | man_in_shack | ashk4n, maybe you should try fluxbox then :P |
| 04:01.07 | jetscreamer | s/flux/tux/ |
| 04:01.08 | ashk4n | my 'main' machine is a macbook, not sure if i can do a straight boot from deb live cd can i? |
| 04:01.43 | rox | ashk4n: erm - depends on the age of your macbook |
| 04:01.45 | jetscreamer | there are ppc images, but no official yet debian live cd's |
| 04:01.51 | jetscreamer | !livecd |
| 04:01.51 | dpkg | livecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 04:02.05 | ashk4n | rox: 1st gen macbook pro |
| 04:02.22 | ashk4n | basically im hoping to not have to resort to shutting down a machine to do it |
| 04:02.33 | ashk4n | i was trying to do it directly on the redhat 7.3 install w/ debtakover |
| 04:03.02 | ashk4n | you're saying the next best step is to reboot the mac w/ the disk attached? |
| 04:03.04 | rox | ashk4n: then your best bet is fixing chroot |
| 04:03.17 | ashk4n | ok ill dig into chroot and see if i can fix |
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| 04:03.36 | rox | ashk4n: the problem is probably too old chroot |
| 04:03.39 | benjamindees | you can install with a serial console I think |
| 04:03.43 | ashk4n | rox: how to fix? |
| 04:03.47 | ashk4n | wget new chroot and make? |
| 04:03.54 | ashk4n | its redhat 7.3 |
| 04:04.00 | rox | ashk4n: i don't even know what the problem is |
| 04:04.07 | rox | ashk4n: i was just guesing |
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| 04:04.08 | ashk4n | k |
| 04:04.10 | ashk4n | booting up now |
| 04:04.12 | ashk4n | will test in a sec |
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| 04:06.55 | enouf | wiki.debian.org/MacBook ? |
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| 04:09.05 | mage__ | ugh, why does apt-get want to remove a package after I force it with dpkg -i? |
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| 04:10.17 | jetscreamer | it doesn't fit? |
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| 04:11.08 | osotogari | how can i get this command to work in Debian? sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 04:11.40 | abrotman | why does it fail? |
| 04:11.41 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search intel |grep xorg and use the true package name |
| 04:11.53 | jetscreamer | unless that's it |
| 04:12.02 | jetscreamer | or you're not a sudoer |
| 04:12.31 | aawd | osotogari: first, try understanding what the "command" even does. |
| 04:12.32 | osotogari | i am a sudoer but it reports it can not find the package |
| 04:12.44 | jetscreamer | well try my first suggestion then |
| 04:12.57 | jetscreamer | is this etch? |
| 04:13.00 | benjamindees | osotogari, you're using lenny? |
| 04:13.10 | osotogari | etch |
| 04:13.22 | benjamindees | nope |
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| 04:15.13 | benjamindees | I don't suppose there are xorg backports |
| 04:15.24 | ashk4n | hey |
| 04:15.31 | ashk4n | so the error i get with chroot is the following: |
| 04:16.02 | abrotman | osotogari: in etch it is -i810 |
| 04:16.12 | benjamindees | !wayttd osotogari |
| 04:16.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, osotogari? |
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| 04:16.28 | BubbaT | Hi can anyone recommend a good hex editor. There are a few special features I want. The ability to display variables in a user defined format, and the ability to copy a chunk to and from a different file. |
| 04:16.46 | osotogari | Trying to fix my resolution |
| 04:17.04 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search hexedit ? |
| 04:17.14 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg-video-i810 etch |
| 04:17.18 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-i810: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.7.2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 157 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 04:17.35 | jetscreamer | spoonfeeding time eh |
| 04:18.03 | jetscreamer | we could try laying on of hands and say 'YOU ARE HEALED!' |
| 04:18.34 | osotogari | I have that package installed, however my debian install wont display at my max resolution even after I edited my xorg.conf file |
| 04:18.43 | BubbaT | jetscreamer what does that get me that searching using synaptic doesn't? |
| 04:18.52 | ftp3 | how do I set grub to automatically boot the kernel I choose? (so I do not have to select it from the choices at boot) |
| 04:18.53 | ashk4n | -> Checking chroot sanity |
| 04:18.53 | ashk4n | error: Bad chroot, clean, correct, and try again. |
| 04:18.54 | abrotman | osotogari: check your X log |
| 04:18.57 | jetscreamer | ok use synaptic then |
| 04:19.06 | ashk4n | thoughts? |
| 04:19.20 | jetscreamer | i think 'that's a new one' |
| 04:19.21 | abrotman | ftp3: set the "default" value .. and the timeout |
| 04:19.34 | ftp3 | abrotman, in what file ;-) |
| 04:19.41 | abrotman | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:19.44 | jetscreamer | you can also use savedefault and it will boot the last one you chose |
| 04:19.47 | ashk4n | the error happsn in debtakover |
| 04:19.56 | ashk4n | doing the following check 'for d in $DEBOOTSTRAP_CHECK_DIRS;' |
| 04:19.57 | ftp3 | abrotman - thank you |
| 04:19.57 | jetscreamer | or you can set an always default |
| 04:20.11 | jetscreamer | ftp3: read the file, it's well commented |
| 04:20.17 | ashk4n | rox/man: any thoughts? |
| 04:20.24 | jetscreamer | note the 'do not uncomment these' statement |
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| 04:20.56 | jetscreamer | in the debian automagic section |
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| 04:21.08 | rox | ashk4n: it means that chroot wasn't properly set |
| 04:21.20 | ashk4n | im using: http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/debtakeover |
| 04:21.23 | rox | ashk4n: what is the $DEBOOTSTRAP_CHECK_DIRS variable? |
| 04:22.05 | ashk4n | (its at the bottom of that file... , /etc/apt /bin ... etc |
| 04:22.49 | osotogari | @abrotman: what am i looking for in the x log? |
| 04:23.13 | abrotman | resolution issues ? |
| 04:23.21 | osotogari | ok |
| 04:23.22 | ashk4n | i wonder if its because this takover script is trying to pull woody |
| 04:23.25 | ashk4n | thats outdated no? |
| 04:23.38 | dclarke | ah hem ... to whom ever I was talking to earlier ... the debian installer just came up .. on this PPC unit .. so that's very cool |
| 04:23.38 | benjamindees | yes, quite |
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| 04:24.25 | dclarke | can I set the ip address of my one and only interface manually during installation phase ? |
| 04:25.31 | rox | ashk4n: woody is rather old, yes |
| 04:25.44 | ashk4n | im using ebootstrap-0.2.45 |
| 04:25.52 | rox | ashk4n: or rather - woody is totally obsolete |
| 04:25.53 | ashk4n | im gonna upgrade to 0.3.3.2 |
| 04:25.59 | ashk4n | ya let me upgrade |
| 04:26.12 | benjamindees | dclarke, you may need to install in expert mode |
| 04:26.18 | jetscreamer | yes dclarke |
| 04:26.30 | jetscreamer | do set expert |
| 04:26.36 | dclarke | thank you .. I am in just plain text mode on the serial console |
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| 04:26.46 | dclarke | and I have not yet seen an option for expert mode |
| 04:26.54 | jetscreamer | you set it when you boot it |
| 04:26.57 | dclarke | but .. I guess that will happen eventually |
| 04:26.59 | jetscreamer | at the boot: prompt |
| 04:27.04 | dclarke | oh ? |
| 04:27.05 | benjamindees | no, it's the first thing you choose |
| 04:27.09 | dclarke | oh no |
| 04:27.11 | jetscreamer | but it should ask you anyway |
| 04:27.15 | dclarke | it did not |
| 04:27.23 | jetscreamer | i mean if you want to use dhcp |
| 04:27.24 | dclarke | it asked me for a language .. C or English |
| 04:27.31 | jetscreamer | when you get to it |
| 04:27.32 | dclarke | and then a location .. country |
| 04:27.35 | dclarke | okay |
| 04:27.47 | jetscreamer | set up netowrk devices or so |
| 04:27.49 | rox | ashk4n: ok, besides redhat 7.3 you are using what? debtakeover version and debootstrap version |
| 04:27.52 | dclarke | right now it wants a hostname and somehow deian seems .. too plain |
| 04:27.54 | jetscreamer | wo |
| 04:27.59 | jetscreamer | change it |
| 04:28.07 | jetscreamer | make it whatever you want |
| 04:28.14 | dclarke | yes .. I was thinking of a decent name for a small embedded ppc device |
| 04:28.23 | benjamindees | everlastinggobstopper |
| 04:28.26 | dclarke | vesta |
| 04:28.27 | jetscreamer | smallembeddedppcdevice? |
| 04:28.42 | rox | ashk4n: well, if you have installed debootstrap on redhat, then there is no need to use debtakeover, just debootstrap your disk if you got debootstrap installed |
| 04:29.19 | dclarke | fyi : vesta is the second most massive object in the asteroid belt with a mean diameter of about 530 km |
| 04:29.24 | dclarke | not vista |
| 04:29.31 | abrotman | pppc .. petite powerpc :) |
| 04:29.34 | ashk4n | rox: ive never used debbootstrap |
| 04:29.39 | jetscreamer | vista is the most massive opject :) |
| 04:29.40 | ashk4n | is there a good walkthru/faq? |
| 04:29.45 | jetscreamer | object dammit |
| 04:29.47 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 04:29.48 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 04:29.58 | ashk4n | thanks |
| 04:30.14 | dclarke | jetscreamer: strangely .. "dammit" is the correct adj for vista |
| 04:30.43 | jetscreamer | i need to move my motherboard to a new box :/ |
| 04:30.54 | dclarke | I am at the prompt for "Choose a mirror of the Debian archive" and I never was given an option for ip config |
| 04:31.26 | benjamindees | it probably uses dhcp by default |
| 04:31.34 | dclarke | yes .. it did |
| 04:31.37 | dclarke | it seems |
| 04:31.39 | jetscreamer | restart it and put expert at the boot: prompt.. or hit f2,f3,et al for the explanation |
| 04:31.44 | osotogari | i read that the i810 driver has some issues displaying the correct resolution and that I should use the 'intel' driver from xserver-xorg-video-intel package. |
| 04:31.45 | jetscreamer | then put it |
| 04:31.48 | dclarke | thus my ip config and subnet etc are all wrong |
| 04:32.02 | ashk4n | rox: but if i want to do a full isntall of deb over the existing redhat install? |
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| 04:32.15 | jetscreamer | !debconf priority |
| 04:32.18 | dclarke | "put expert at the boot" how do I do that ? |
| 04:32.23 | benjamindees | osotogari, then you will need to upgrade to testing |
| 04:32.27 | jetscreamer | you type expert |
| 04:32.29 | dclarke | there are no function keys |
| 04:32.32 | jetscreamer | the word |
| 04:32.33 | |seb| | does aptitude remove do purging too? ...as in apt-get --purge remove ? |
| 04:32.35 | rox | ashk4n: erm, before you said you wanted to do something else |
| 04:32.36 | dclarke | type expert where ? |
| 04:32.47 | jetscreamer | yes aptitude purge |
| 04:32.51 | rox | ashk4n: you said you wanted to install it on an extgernal disk |
| 04:32.57 | ashk4n | rox: i want to basically wipe redhat off and get debian on here |
| 04:33.02 | jetscreamer | at the boot: prompt is where it is on i386 |
| 04:33.05 | jetscreamer | i don't know ppc |
| 04:33.09 | jetscreamer | when the cd boots |
| 04:33.10 | |seb| | jetscreamer: there is a command called aptitude purge? |
| 04:33.11 | dclarke | oh .. okay |
| 04:33.13 | jetscreamer | first boots |
| 04:33.13 | ashk4n | but the box is headless and has no cdrom |
| 04:33.14 | osotogari | @benjamindees: Thanks, ill do some reading around that so. |
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| 04:33.17 | rox | ashk4n: on your mac that is? |
| 04:33.19 | ashk4n | so i'd like to do it remotely if possibly |
| 04:33.20 | jetscreamer | |seb|: iirc yes |
| 04:33.21 | |seb| | jetscreamer: or did you mean you get purge for free when you do aptitude remove |
| 04:33.23 | dclarke | this has openfirmware .. no boot prompt really |
| 04:33.23 | ashk4n | no on this headless box |
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| 04:33.41 | rox | ashk4n: aha, ok, i got it |
| 04:33.46 | ashk4n | i *can* open it up, extract the drive, and then plug it into my mac via usb |
| 04:33.47 | jetscreamer | it's just aptitude purge afaik, not remove --purge like apt-get |
| 04:33.50 | ashk4n | but thats a lot more work |
| 04:34.07 | rox | ashk4n: i don't know why i thought you wanted to do it on an external disk on your macbook |
| 04:34.32 | rox | ashk4n: or - was it that you have disk connected eternally to your macbook? |
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| 04:34.39 | rox | ashk4n: or something like that |
| 04:34.46 | |seb| | jetscreamer: thanks! i really appreciate it |
| 04:35.01 | jetscreamer | dclarke: well what you want to do is change the debconf priority.. but how with that, i do not know |
| 04:35.17 | dclarke | ahhhh .. if the mirror can not be found .. the installer gives and error and then drops me to "Debian installer main menu" |
| 04:35.26 | ashk4n | rox: plugging it in externall *is* an option |
| 04:35.29 | ashk4n | but requires a few extra steps |
| 04:35.37 | jetscreamer | and now you can see the network option? |
| 04:35.37 | dclarke | where I see :-) Configure the network |
| 04:35.40 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 04:35.43 | dclarke | yes Sir ! |
| 04:35.51 | ashk4n | right now, the drive i want to install debian on is in another machine that headless and doesnt have a cdrom |
| 04:36.00 | dclarke | so very cool |
| 04:36.06 | rox | ashk4n: then that's your best option - plug it in external and debootstrap it |
| 04:36.21 | dclarke | this machine .. by the way .. is the size of a pack of ciggarettes |
| 04:36.26 | dclarke | no video |
| 04:36.35 | rox | ashk4n: hmm, how is your redhat partitioned? |
| 04:37.55 | benjamindees | I just setup a $100 headless box from solarpc |
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| 04:38.36 | benjamindees | spent $10 and almost two hours making a null-modem cable |
| 04:38.58 | dclarke | ha ha .. I can relate |
| 04:39.42 | dclarke | this is one of my machines here : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/JetWay_J7F4K1G2E_000.jpg |
| 04:39.51 | dclarke | not powerpc .. but hellish small |
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| 04:41.17 | dclarke | okay .. back to square 2 which is way way better than square 0 .. and "Checking the Debian archive mirror" |
| 04:41.27 | dclarke | sorry for my chatter .. I'm happy |
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| 04:42.36 | dclarke | The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror. |
| 04:42.39 | dclarke | oh crap ... |
| 04:42.54 | dclarke | okay .. how do I find a valid ppc mirror ? |
| 04:43.09 | jetscreamer | i think you just use a mirror |
| 04:43.18 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 04:43.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 04:43.18 | jetscreamer | and it will use the ppc stuff in it |
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| 04:43.29 | dclarke | ahhh .. okay |
| 04:43.35 | dclarke | I will specify the mirror manually |
| 04:43.45 | jetscreamer | usually ftp://ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org is all you need |
| 04:44.02 | jetscreamer | err... just ftp.<cc>.debian.org |
| 04:44.02 | dclarke | http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ |
| 04:44.07 | jetscreamer | or http |
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| 04:44.51 | dclarke | do I need the traling /debina ?? |
| 04:45.00 | dclarke | do I need the trailing /debian ?? |
| 04:45.11 | dclarke | or just http://ftp.ca.debian.org/ |
| 04:45.13 | jetscreamer | i can't remember if the installer adds it for you or not |
| 04:45.28 | dclarke | the installer looks smart tonight .. |
| 04:45.29 | jetscreamer | it is needed in the actual sources.list |
| 04:45.36 | dclarke | I'll assume it will just "know" |
| 04:45.53 | dclarke | I was wrong |
| 04:45.59 | dclarke | ... Please enter the directory in which the mirror of the Debian archive ... |
| 04:46.21 | dclarke | The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available or .... blah blah blah |
| 04:46.26 | dclarke | okay .. this is weird |
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| 04:47.52 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.02 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 04:48.16 | dclarke | I suspect DNS resolution so I'll go back to manual net config again |
| 04:48.28 | jetscreamer | i can't remember if you add the http:// or not |
| 04:48.39 | jetscreamer | been a while |
| 04:48.56 | jetscreamer | and i never did a ppc anyway |
| 04:49.16 | jetscreamer | you could put a .iso on that hd and use it for install medium |
| 04:49.21 | jetscreamer | if worse came to worse |
| 04:49.48 | dclarke | that would imply partition tables and a filesystem |
| 04:50.06 | dclarke | which need to be readable by the ppc firmware and the ppc debian implementation |
| 04:50.12 | dclarke | sounds like a grey area |
| 04:50.19 | jetscreamer | alt f2 and fdisk it up? |
| 04:50.22 | abrotman | more like purple! |
| 04:50.32 | dclarke | there is no alt f2 |
| 04:50.43 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 04:50.56 | dclarke | you mean .. ALT-F2 in the installer ? |
| 04:51.00 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 04:51.09 | jetscreamer | i mean shell out |
| 04:51.12 | jetscreamer | other console |
| 04:51.14 | dclarke | a serial console will recognize those character codes ? |
| 04:51.16 | benjamindees | can you do that on a serial console? |
| 04:51.17 | jetscreamer | o |
| 04:51.35 | jetscreamer | lets find out! |
| 04:51.49 | abrotman | EGGS! |
| 04:51.54 | jetscreamer | i have no idea and i wil stfu now.. unless i think of something else :) |
| 04:52.11 | jetscreamer | or have an idel thought |
| 04:52.13 | jetscreamer | idle |
| 04:53.11 | jetscreamer | is that thing nailed to a wall? |
| 04:53.32 | jetscreamer | i've wanted to mount a box on a nice piece of wood for a while |
| 04:53.40 | dclarke | yes |
| 04:53.44 | dclarke | hangs there |
| 04:53.46 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 04:53.48 | dclarke | good cooling too |
| 04:54.02 | jetscreamer | i've pictured one on the wall too |
| 04:54.12 | dclarke | I took a laser module out of a kids toy and crazy glued it to the harddrive as a disk activity monitor |
| 04:54.19 | jetscreamer | that's pretty cool you got there |
| 04:54.41 | dclarke | now .. when I have disk activity the vibrations paint a pattern on the wall across the room |
| 04:55.46 | jetscreamer | so are the other 726 assorted persons and bots i think :) |
| 04:55.56 | dclarke | in good company |
| 04:56.01 | dclarke | however ... |
| 04:56.10 | Rusty1 | http://penguinppc.org/embedded/howto/ pro;;y seen that dclarke but .. |
| 04:56.16 | dclarke | I'm stuck here at Checking the Debian archive mirror |
| 04:56.30 | abrotman | you should move forward |
| 04:56.54 | jetscreamer | did you type http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ or what |
| 04:57.06 | jetscreamer | or try ftp://ftpblahblah maybe |
| 04:57.10 | dclarke | Rusty! : thank you .. that looks excellent |
| 04:57.14 | jetscreamer | or just ftp.blahblabh |
| 04:57.22 | dclarke | Bad archive mirror !! |
| 04:57.30 | dclarke | I just typed ftp.blah.blah |
| 04:57.31 | jetscreamer | all three ways? |
| 04:57.34 | dclarke | no http:// |
| 04:57.48 | jetscreamer | ah.. abrotman do you know? :) |
| 04:57.53 | dclarke | well ... first I tried with http:// |
| 04:57.56 | dclarke | that failed |
| 04:57.58 | abrotman | jetscreamer: eggs? |
| 04:58.00 | dclarke | then just the hostname |
| 04:58.01 | abrotman | know what? |
| 04:58.11 | jetscreamer | his mirror problem |
| 04:58.14 | abrotman | what is he trying to use .. |
| 04:58.19 | abrotman | debootstrap or the installer ? |
| 04:58.24 | abrotman | or something else? |
| 04:58.26 | dclarke | ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 04:58.34 | jetscreamer | installer |
| 04:58.36 | dclarke | oh .. the installer |
| 04:58.38 | abrotman | dude .. have you ever seen a canadian work ? |
| 04:58.49 | dclarke | basic text installer with an embedded ppc thingy |
| 04:58.50 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 04:58.59 | jetscreamer | i lived in montreal |
| 04:59.00 | abrotman | dclarke: there are a million installers |
| 04:59.03 | abrotman | erm .. mirrors |
| 04:59.06 | dclarke | abrotman : I worked my whole life .. night and day |
| 04:59.29 | abrotman | what is the error ? |
| 04:59.35 | abrotman | and did you check alt-f3 for the full URL ? |
| 04:59.39 | dclarke | abrotman: but this one is mine .. there are many like it but this one i mine .. repeat |
| 04:59.48 | dclarke | alt F3 ? |
| 04:59.53 | dclarke | on a serial console ? |
| 04:59.55 | abrotman | for the installer debug stuff |
| 05:00.17 | jetscreamer | well did you try alt f2 or 3 or whatever? |
| 05:00.20 | dclarke | ALT F3 did not have the desired effect |
| 05:00.25 | abrotman | you uh .. failed to mention the serial console ibt |
| 05:00.26 | abrotman | bit |
| 05:00.32 | dclarke | sorry |
| 05:00.33 | jetscreamer | no he did up there |
| 05:00.36 | abrotman | not to me |
| 05:00.36 | dclarke | its a serial console |
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| 05:00.46 | dclarke | embedded really small machine |
| 05:00.46 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 05:00.55 | abrotman | as opposed to embedded really big machine ? |
| 05:01.10 | dclarke | exactly ! :-) |
| 05:01.17 | dclarke | this is the size of a pack of cigs |
| 05:01.27 | jetscreamer | export a not american pack |
| 05:01.32 | dclarke | as opposed to the size of a truck |
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| 05:01.54 | dclarke | king sized cigs .. no filter |
| 05:02.13 | jetscreamer | 25 in a deck |
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| 05:02.20 | dclarke | anyways .. Choose a mirror of the Debian archive |
| 05:02.27 | dclarke | I'll use the ip address |
| 05:02.29 | fantomas_ | Hi all. Is there a tool which measures maximum value for TCP MSS fixing? I experience strange problems with OpenVPN and until I tweaked mssfix nothing worked |
| 05:02.43 | abrotman | dclarke: is it a DNS issue? |
| 05:03.06 | dclarke | not sure .. I'm about to start a packet sniffer on the router |
| 05:03.30 | fantomas_ | Now I want to know 1) why the hell I got this in LAN and 2) why OpenVPN doesn't set mss to correct value |
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| 05:04.35 | jaggz- | I think gparted moved my 3rd partition to 4th (I added a /boot before it, as the 3rd partition) but it didn't change its order in the partition table! |
| 05:05.07 | jetscreamer | jaggz-: fdisk has a fix partition order option in expert mode/section |
| 05:05.37 | jetscreamer | hit x |
| 05:05.41 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 05:06.08 | jaggz- | I can't run fdisk because I don't have a way of booting that uses dmraid |
| 05:06.19 | jaggz- | or maybe I can.. and copy that partition table from sda to sdb so they're the same |
| 05:06.38 | jaggz- | any clue where the metadata is stored? |
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| 05:08.04 | jetscreamer | o |
| 05:08.23 | jaggz- | they probably don't store it in the partition table huh :) |
| 05:08.35 | jetscreamer | i know nothing of raid |
| 05:08.38 | Supaplex | jaggz-: on a block device >:) |
| 05:08.51 | Supaplex | that's my only idea. sorry :) |
| 05:10.26 | jaggz- | looking at dmraid's source |
| 05:10.36 | dclarke | ummm .. loose cable here |
| 05:10.55 | dclarke | the rj45 click was broken and it wiggled out .. with .. well .. oh never mind |
| 05:10.56 | Miesco | I upgraded to lenny from etch |
| 05:11.05 | Miesco | I get this when I try to upgrade hal |
| 05:11.08 | Miesco | Reloading system message bus config...Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused |
| 05:11.11 | jaggz- | dclarke, did you buy a new computer because of it? |
| 05:11.20 | dclarke | nope |
| 05:11.31 | dclarke | but a pack of cigs sized embedded thingy |
| 05:11.43 | dclarke | okay .. stable .. testing or .. unstable ?? |
| 05:12.27 | dclarke | No kernel modules were found. ?? |
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| 05:14.04 | dclarke | wth is "Download installer components" |
| 05:14.12 | dclarke | I thought I was running the installer ... |
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| 05:15.28 | dclarke | this is gobbledy gook .. |
| 05:15.37 | dclarke | ?? ltsp-client-builder: Build an LTSP environment in the installer ?? |
| 05:15.44 | benjamindees | it needs more |
| 05:16.05 | benjamindees | Miesco, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469528 |
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| 05:16.39 | dclarke | do I need "file-preseed: load debconf preseed file" ?? |
| 05:17.23 | jaggz- | I think dmraid is skipping sda3 because its start cylinder/sector is higher than sda4 |
| 05:18.54 | jaggz- | I had 3 partitions (ntfs, swap, ext3 (root)) .. I moved ext3 up and inserted an ext2/boot partition as the 3rd partition.. but I believe gparted kept my ext3 partition as the 3rd entry in the partition table. dmraid is making dm-0 (the device) into dm-1, 2, and 3, but they are "unknown, swap, ext2" .. and there's no ext3 :) |
| 05:19.02 | jaggz- | and the ext2 happens to be the boot device |
| 05:19.03 | jaggz- | so there. |
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| 05:19.35 | benjamindees | dclarke, you probably don't need any of them; they are modules to help in installing different types of systems |
| 05:20.00 | dclarke | too late :-\ |
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| 05:20.05 | Tapout | my box is swapping, i've got swappiness set to 10, and I don't believe it should be swapping. 4GB of ram, postgresql setup to use 768MB shared buffers, other than that, nothing else |
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| 05:22.24 | dclarke | this is fraught with terror .. it now says : This partitioner doesn't have information about the default type of the partition tables on your architecture. Please send an e-mail message to debian-boot@lists.debian.org with information. |
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| 05:23.10 | Theodor | Good morning. Could anyone explain Chroot for me please? And why do I need it? |
| 05:23.45 | Supaplex | !chroot |
| 05:23.46 | dpkg | [chroot] a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 05:23.59 | Tapout | !swapping |
| 05:24.07 | Tapout | ??swapping |
| 05:24.09 | Supaplex | !thrashing |
| 05:24.15 | Supaplex | !swap |
| 05:24.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Swapping_in_Linux |
| 05:24.33 | Tapout | i've got 4GB of ram, but the damn thing is swapping anyways |
| 05:24.34 | dclarke | anyone have a suggestion for a partition table type? Select the type of partition table to use. it says ... |
| 05:24.50 | dclarke | bsd sounds safe |
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| 05:25.02 | dclarke | or msdos ? |
| 05:25.16 | simonrvn | Tapout: that's normal, it'll use it for disk cache |
| 05:25.16 | Supaplex | Tapout: what do you have running? |
| 05:25.57 | blairsooley | has anyone ordered from 'tdDirect', in canada? or know anything about them (are they reputable)? |
| 05:26.17 | dclarke | tiger direct ? |
| 05:26.23 | dclarke | they are good |
| 05:26.26 | Supaplex | uh, ot |
| 05:26.26 | blairsooley | no its tdDirect |
| 05:26.30 | blairsooley | i know tigerdirect is ok though |
| 05:26.32 | dclarke | oh .. |
| 05:26.49 | dclarke | sorry .. td direct is not Toronto Dominion Bank I gather |
| 05:26.55 | blairsooley | probably not heh |
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| 05:32.10 | Theodor | Where do MySQL header files go when I install mysql-server-5.0 via APT? I need them to compile PHP with MySQL support. |
| 05:33.16 | Supaplex | you need the -dev package of some sort if you need header files. |
| 05:33.27 | Theodor | Supaplex: ahh, thanks. |
| 05:33.31 | Theodor | I didn't know that. |
| 05:33.32 | Supaplex | Tapout: dpkg -L somepkg or use apt-file |
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| 05:40.16 | benjamindees | dclarke, I think gpt |
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| 05:40.40 | dclarke | sorry .. distracted over in #debianppc |
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| 05:41.29 | opensrcguru | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.29 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 05:41.52 | benjamindees | dclarke, but that's not based on anything but a guess |
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| 05:45.12 | Miesco | Whats the latest linux image? |
| 05:46.36 | SerajewelKS | !info linux-image-2.6 |
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| 05:47.20 | SerajewelKS | when did that metapackage get removed |
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| 05:49.00 | Miesco | hold on |
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| 05:49.40 | Miesco | Whats the latest lenny linux kernel? |
| 05:50.25 | Miesco | !latest kernel |
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| 05:51.52 | Miesco | How do I know if im using the latest kernel |
| 05:52.04 | Sazpaimon | so apparently while i was gone a script of mine caught a memory leak and all my memory was gone, and oom-killer started looping endlessly |
| 05:52.24 | Sazpaimon | i had to reboot the machine |
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| 05:52.29 | Sazpaimon | how do i figure out what this script was |
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| 05:53.47 | StrangeCharm | on a fujitsu p7230, i can't seem to get sound input either using the inbuilt mic, or using a working headset plugged into the stereo jacks |
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| 05:58.22 | Theodor | How do I disable root login from the shell? |
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| 05:59.19 | StrangeCharm | it's pretty rowdy in here tonight |
| 05:59.25 | StrangeCharm | for 721 users, that is |
| 06:01.03 | dclarke | oopsie |
| 06:01.06 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.12 | dclarke | damn |
| 06:01.20 | simonrvn | come in the middle of the day east coast north america, and it's buzzing your ears off |
| 06:01.22 | dclarke | Debootstrap Error |
| 06:01.29 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: perhaps more important, why do you care? |
| 06:01.44 | simonrvn | dclarke: heh |
| 06:02.00 | Miesco | Because I want to have the latest kernel if im going to compile the nvidia modules |
| 06:02.11 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: why? |
| 06:02.13 | Miesco | cause this is the only time im going to compile them |
| 06:02.31 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: it takes all of 5 seconds to compile them |
| 06:02.39 | Miesco | So im going to stay with this kernel im compiling them with until the pre-compiled packages come out for lenny |
| 06:02.43 | Miesco | Okay |
| 06:02.46 | SerajewelKS | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:02.46 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 06:03.01 | Miesco | Im using lenny |
| 06:03.10 | SerajewelKS | so? |
| 06:03.22 | SerajewelKS | so am i |
| 06:03.42 | Miesco | Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 06:03.45 | Miesco | What? |
| 06:03.56 | SerajewelKS | do you have nonfree sources enabled? |
| 06:04.00 | Miesco | yea |
| 06:04.06 | Miesco | I just did |
| 06:04.08 | Miesco | added |
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| 06:04.19 | Miesco | I'll try updating again |
| 06:04.21 | Miesco | wait |
| 06:04.34 | Miesco | packages.debian.org, it says only etch and sid have the package |
| 06:04.51 | Miesco | !nvidia_sarge |
| 06:04.51 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia_sarge was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (make sure to have contrib and non-free in your sources.list - ask me about <non-free>) |
| 06:04.53 | SerajewelKS | yeah, you need to add sid as a source and pin to testing |
| 06:05.05 | Miesco | sorry |
| 06:05.05 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: the sarge instructions will not work on lenny |
| 06:05.09 | Miesco | I know typo |
| 06:05.28 | Miesco | pin to testing? |
| 06:05.44 | benjamindees | dclarke, works here |
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| 06:05.49 | SerajewelKS | !pinning |
| 06:05.49 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 06:06.01 | dclarke | damn |
| 06:06.06 | dclarke | I'll try again |
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| 06:07.15 | dclarke | even ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ is bad again |
| 06:08.10 | benjamindees | Miesco, I thought you originally had an i810? |
| 06:09.57 | Miesco | benjamindees: I dont even know what an i810 is |
| 06:10.02 | Miesco | SerajewelKS: Pin: release a=unstable |
| 06:10.04 | Miesco | Like that? |
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| 06:12.45 | benjamindees | Miesco, sorry got you confused with someone else |
| 06:13.53 | Miesco | Okay I cant seem to get a sid repository |
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| 06:17.55 | jaggz- | grub's boot of my kernel doesn't recognize my root.. ohhh.. I know why. |
| 06:18.07 | jaggz- | it's because root is /dev/sda4 instead of dm-something |
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| 06:18.47 | jaggz- | I have to modify my fstab I think.. but I still only have dm-0 - 3 .. and dm-4 which should me my root partition does not show up.. |
| 06:18.49 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: check the whole wiki page |
| 06:18.55 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: there are some seven lines you need |
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| 06:19.04 | jaggz- | however, this is in debian's special boot-failure system where I get a neat prompt and a few tools |
| 06:19.39 | jaggz- | so what to do... I can boot into xp, use ext2ifs to edit /etc/fstab ? |
| 06:19.48 | tabris|away | jaggz-: check /dev/disk/by-label/ and see if you can find the appropriate partitions. if so, change your fstab to use the by-label (and also your grub config) |
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| 06:20.41 | jaggz- | k, brb it's in the other room |
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| 06:21.05 | jaggz- | i can only access it from the fail-system debian gives me when it can't access root |
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| 06:21.42 | raju | livecd is not working what i created based on debian |
| 06:21.44 | tabris|away | jaggz-: do you know what the label is or should be? if so, change the bootline to root=/dev/disk/by-label/foo where foo is the right label |
| 06:23.41 | tabris|away | jaggz-: there are more than just by-label. like by-id and by-path, but they're not so easy to figure out unless you know the hardware of your system very precisely. |
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| 06:25.31 | jaggz- | shows sda* and sdb* |
| 06:25.41 | Miesco_ | Okay well the pinning isn't working... |
| 06:25.52 | jaggz- | no raid stuff anyway... it DOES show the partitions sda4 and sdb4 .. those are right. fdisk also shows those (when I boot into a rescue cd) |
| 06:26.23 | jaggz- | but in the bootup of debian I notice: "ERROR: DOS: partition address past end of Raid device" |
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| 06:27.43 | Miesco_ | I tried that module from nvidia-kernel-source and it said cant find nvidia module when trying to load X |
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| 06:32.21 | Miesco_ | Am I suppost to use nv or nvidia module? |
| 06:33.27 | tabris|away | nv is the open driver. nvidia is the binary/closed driver |
| 06:33.45 | Miesco_ | err okay |
| 06:36.26 | tabris|away | jaggz-: unfortunately, i don't know how to fix a broken LVM setup. |
| 06:36.36 | tabris|away | esp as i don't use LVM myself ( I avoid it on principle) |
| 06:37.59 | Miesco_ | NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 169.09 Fri Jan 11 14:38:28 PST 2008 |
| 06:38.10 | Miesco_ | Thats what happends when I do modprobe nvidia |
| 06:38.19 | SerajewelKS | that's good |
| 06:38.21 | jaggz- | I have a raid-1 (mirror) array with XP and Linux on it.. |
| 06:38.23 | SerajewelKS | though X should modprobe it for you |
| 06:38.30 | jaggz- | it's my personal and development system |
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| 06:39.16 | Miesco_ | Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-4-686 (169.09-1+2.6.22-6~bpo40+2) |
| 06:39.18 | Miesco_ | It said that |
| 06:39.23 | Miesco_ | Thats my kernel... |
| 06:39.38 | Miesco_ | But X isn't working, saying I dont have nvidia module |
| 06:39.49 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: did you install nvidia-glx like the one-liner said? |
| 06:40.17 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: nvidia-kernel = kernel module -- nvidia-glx = x module |
| 06:40.25 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: they talk to each other; you need both |
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| 06:41.50 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, I'm looking for a light GTK music/movie player, that uses the Gstreamer libs. I really hope it doesn't rely on the GNOME environment to install. |
| 06:43.09 | Supaplex | !rdep |
| 06:43.12 | Supaplex | !rdeps |
| 06:43.29 | Miesco_ | I'll try the one liner then |
| 06:43.33 | Miesco_ | now that I have the package |
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| 06:45.54 | Miesco_ | SerajewelKS: I have all the packages |
| 06:46.36 | GuilhermeBrant | Hey,I'm getting the following messages when using the terminal: |
| 06:46.37 | GuilhermeBrant | Message from syslogd@localhost at Sat Mar 8 03:47:43 2008 ... |
| 06:46.38 | GuilhermeBrant | localhost kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 06:46.38 | GuilhermeBrant | Message from syslogd@localhost at Sat Mar 8 03:47:43 2008 ... |
| 06:46.38 | GuilhermeBrant | localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 06:46.38 | GuilhermeBrant | Message from syslogd@localhost at Sat Mar 8 03:47:43 2008 ... |
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| 06:47.48 | Miesco_ | GuilhermeBrant: I dunno, open the window in the room |
| 06:47.49 | GuilhermeBrant | #flood |
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| 06:48.25 | GuilhermeBrant | Miesco_ What do u mean? |
| 06:48.38 | Miesco_ | GuilhermeBrant: Go to your window, unlock it, and open it |
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| 06:48.55 | Miesco_ | Or restarting will probably make that message go away |
| 06:49.40 | GuilhermeBrant | No...I get this message since I installed Debian here.It's been like a month,but I'd always ignored it. |
| 06:49.52 | Miesco_ | I dunno |
| 06:50.04 | GuilhermeBrant | Miesco_ But wich window? |
| 06:50.04 | Miesco_ | I got the message a couple times |
| 06:50.08 | Miesco_ | GuilhermeBrant: I dont know the layout of your house, you do |
| 06:50.26 | rox | GuilhermeBrant: use pastbin |
| 06:50.40 | rox | GuilhermeBrant: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 06:51.42 | GuilhermeBrant | Hmmm...I think I missed some messages while I was kicked |
| 06:51.55 | GuilhermeBrant | rox : What is this for? |
| 06:52.55 | Miesco_ | I think the nvidia-kernel-source is for the nv module... |
| 06:53.44 | rox | GuilhermeBrant: you are not supposed to paste in channels, so you go to that page and paste the texst there and save it. The website will save your text and give you a URL, so you can show it to other people, so you get the URL and give it to people you wish to show the text to, e.g. people in this channel |
| 06:54.16 | rox | Miesco: yes, it is |
| 06:54.43 | GuilhermeBrant | rox : Ok,sorry for that,I'll use it next time |
| 06:55.17 | rox | GuilhermeBrant: you got kicked by a bot earlyer, the bots are set so that they kick anybody who floods the channel |
| 06:55.23 | raju | from where i can download the latest debian desktop iso |
| 06:55.33 | Miesco | rox: It is? Is that the non-free module? |
| 06:55.39 | rox | raju: debian.org |
| 06:55.55 | rox | Miesco: yes, but it's the source, you need to build it |
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| 06:56.36 | rox | raju: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 06:56.42 | Miesco | rox: I know, but does it replace the open source module named nv with the non-free module? |
| 06:56.47 | rox | raju: that is the latest stable |
| 06:57.12 | Miesco | rox: Cause nv is the open source module |
| 06:57.35 | rox | Miesco: it certainly builds and installs it, though i am not sure whether the install scripts also reconfigure your x. I think you have to do it manually |
| 06:57.52 | Miesco | I did that all |
| 06:58.03 | Miesco | But do I load nv or nvidia as the module? |
| 06:58.33 | raju | rox, why it is showing CD-1 CD-2 |
| 06:58.36 | rox | Miesco: look, it is simple, you need to have your kernel headers installed, then you install the nvidia-source package, go to /usr/src and build a debian package with the nvidia module |
| 06:58.48 | raju | rox, which one to choose |
| 06:59.00 | rox | raju: all of them together are debian |
| 06:59.30 | GuilhermeBrant | http://rafb.net/p/SZMmIq23.html ->The messages I keep getting when using terminal.It is accompanied by a computer beep |
| 06:59.35 | raju | rox, it means i have to download four image |
| 06:59.39 | rox | raju: debian is the biggest and the best linux distribution, so it is on 21 CDs |
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| 06:59.47 | Miesco | rox: I did that |
| 06:59.48 | Arelis | raju: but you don't have to download em all. |
| 06:59.58 | rox | raju: do you have an internet connection where you wish to install? |
| 07:00.06 | Miesco | rox: I set up xorg.conf and it says it cant find nvidia module |
| 07:00.08 | rox | Miesco: is there a problem then? |
| 07:00.10 | raju | Arelis, which to choose i am getting confusion |
| 07:00.11 | Arelis | raju: go to www.debian.org and either download netinst or the full image, and you have to download only one cd |
| 07:00.13 | ashk4n | hey |
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| 07:00.20 | Arelis | raju: the other cd's are for packages only |
| 07:00.21 | ashk4n | if i want to use the bootcd to just boot into my existing install |
| 07:00.28 | ashk4n | is it linux root=/dev/blah ? |
| 07:00.34 | rox | raju: the easyest way to install debian is with a netinst image |
| 07:00.36 | ashk4n | or is it rescue? |
| 07:00.53 | rox | Miesco: what exactly did you do? |
| 07:00.55 | raju | Arelis, i want only one iso desktop cd |
| 07:01.05 | Supaplex | ashk4n: grub has tab commandline completion. |
| 07:01.14 | Supaplex | !tell ashk4n -about rescue |
| 07:01.18 | ashk4n | supa: im using the instally |
| 07:01.21 | ashk4n | err installer cd |
| 07:01.25 | raju | Arelis, right now i donot want netinst |
| 07:01.33 | Supaplex | ashk4n: try spawning a shell, and cat /proc/partitions for ideas |
| 07:01.34 | Miesco | rox: I did this: update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:01.39 | raju | raju, i want a best cd |
| 07:01.44 | Arelis | I quote " |
| 07:01.44 | Arelis | The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. |
| 07:01.44 | Arelis | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.44 | Arelis | " |
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| 07:01.46 | Theodor | Hello, I have a folder /htdocs/wordpress. I want to copy all the content of wordpress the folder above it, so that htdocs gets everything wordpress has. how do I do that? |
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| 07:01.52 | Arelis | oops |
| 07:01.58 | Miesco | I have lenny |
| 07:02.10 | Arelis | The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. |
| 07:02.10 | Arelis | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.11 | raju | ArmyMan, i want debian os cd not packages |
| 07:02.14 | Supaplex | Theodor: with scp, or rsync |
| 07:02.22 | Arelis | raju: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 07:02.23 | raju | Arelis, , i want debian os cd not packages |
| 07:02.29 | Theodor | Supaplex: could you illustrate further? |
| 07:02.34 | Arelis | raju: the first cd is the os |
| 07:02.42 | Supaplex | Theodor: rsync -avP src/ box:dst/ |
| 07:02.55 | Theodor | Supaplex: thanks. |
| 07:02.59 | Arelis | raju: read this: |
| 07:03.02 | Arelis | The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. |
| 07:03.02 | Arelis | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.03 | Supaplex | Theodor: but read the man pages. "/" has a special meaning for rsync |
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| 07:03.19 | Theodor | Supaplex: yeah. Reading the man pages is a given ;p |
| 07:03.33 | raju | Arelis, shall i use this debian-update-4.0r3-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 07:03.42 | Supaplex | !netinst |
| 07:03.43 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. |
| 07:03.44 | Arelis | raju: i don't think that's the normal os |
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| 07:04.21 | Arelis | raju: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso <-- i think this is the one you want |
| 07:04.37 | raju | Arelis, ok thanks |
| 07:04.42 | Arelis | raju: np |
| 07:05.56 | Supaplex | ~lart cats with high mass that knead my sensitive stomach |
| 07:05.56 | apt | gives cats with high mass that knead my sensitive stomach a good seeing to |
| 07:06.02 | Miesco | rox: Can yous ee my messages in the query? |
| 07:06.08 | Miesco | see* |
| 07:06.18 | Arelis | ~lart Supaplex with a hamster |
| 07:06.18 | apt | blames Supaplex with a hamster for all the evil in the world |
| 07:06.20 | rox | Miesco: no |
| 07:06.22 | Arelis | lol |
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| 07:06.33 | rox | Miesco: i see nothing |
| 07:06.35 | Miesco | I dont know why you cant |
| 07:06.43 | Supaplex | yes! I'm the evilness! pherrr meh! |
| 07:06.49 | Miesco | rox: Type here |
| 07:06.58 | Arelis | !lart Supaplex with an icecake |
| 07:07.01 | DarthJesus | The United States of America is invading the middle east for oil; It is not a counter attack, nor a preemptive strike. It has nothing to do with terrorism. http://mediaplague.com/boards/showthread.php?t=147 (WWIII UNVEILED) |
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| 07:07.04 | Miesco | rox: I did this: update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:07.05 | raju | Arelis, i you dont mind shall i ask a question , i am getting error when i am booting the live cd |
| 07:07.06 | rox | Miesco: ok, no problem, i was just trying to avoid the noise |
| 07:07.17 | Arelis | raju: which livecd? |
| 07:07.27 | rox | Miesco: at what stage did the sequence of commands you executed fail? |
| 07:07.33 | hoxu | DarthJesus, this is not a forum for political activity |
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| 07:07.45 | raju | Arelis, what i creted based on the debian - deblivehlper |
| 07:08.00 | DarthJesus | it isn't politics, its world news |
| 07:08.14 | Miesco | rox: It didn't fail, it all compiled and installed, but when I load the nvidia module with the dpkg-reconfigure, X does not load and says nvidia module is not found |
| 07:08.16 | rox | Miesco: you need to have the headers of your running kernel installed on the system too |
| 07:08.23 | Miesco | I do |
| 07:08.27 | raju | Arelis, i want to add the bootsplash image with that iso |
| 07:08.28 | Arelis | raju: if you want a livecd, here ya go: http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
| 07:08.33 | GuilhermeBrant | Hey does anybody know a nice IDE for Ruby easy to install via apt-get ? |
| 07:08.34 | DarthJesus | world war 3 is world news, not politics |
| 07:08.41 | Supaplex | !ops DarthJesus trolls with political-ot |
| 07:08.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: DarthJesus trolls with political-ot |
| 07:09.26 | hoxu | DarthJesus, go to ##defocus or elsewhere |
| 07:09.26 | rox | Miesco: what does this command say: lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 07:09.43 | DarthJesus | !ops Supaplex, hoxu world war 3 is world news not political-ot |
| 07:09.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: darthjesus complains about: Supaplex, hoxu world war 3 is world news not political-ot |
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| 07:10.32 | DarthJesus | nice feeble force quit mr irc admin |
| 07:10.33 | Miesco | rox: Nothing but when I do modprobe nvidia it gives me: nvidia 7816224 0 |
| 07:10.36 | Miesco | i2c_core 23840 2 nvidia,i2c_i801 |
| 07:10.38 | Arelis | Supaplex: where did you get that nickname? from that game called Supaplex? |
| 07:10.38 | Miesco | agpgart 32136 2 nvidia,intel_agp |
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| 07:10.45 | LoRez | feeble? |
| 07:10.46 | Supaplex | Arelis: correct :) |
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| 07:10.51 | Arelis | Supaplex: kay :) |
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| 07:11.13 | rox | Miesco: can you put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in pastebin? |
| 07:11.20 | Supaplex | ^5 :) |
| 07:11.30 | Arelis | [08:11] <dpkg> hmm... supaplex is a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111 levels of insanity. Now it's freeware, and has atleast 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team, or see http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/dlinst.html |
| 07:11.32 | Miesco | rox: With the nvidia module, im using nv right now... |
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| 07:11.37 | LoRez | DarthJesus: just to let you know, you can lose your cloak for antisocial behavior such as trolling channels with off topic crap. |
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| 07:11.48 | rox | Miesco: ok |
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| 07:12.34 | rox | Miesco: are you sure that the package nvidia-glx is installed? |
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| 07:13.30 | Miesco | rox: Yes |
| 07:13.33 | rox | Miesco: what does the command dpkg -l | grep nvidia say? |
| 07:13.40 | rox | Miesco: use pastebin |
| 07:13.55 | raju | Arelis, how to use this mklivecd package |
| 07:14.09 | Miesco | http://pastebin.com/m7107cbdb |
| 07:14.11 | rox | and you can also paste the output of X when you try to start x |
| 07:15.16 | simonrvn | ...that wasn't a focre quit o_O |
| 07:15.20 | simonrvn | force* |
| 07:15.50 | rox | Miesco: have you tried to use the nvidia-xconfig tool? |
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| 07:15.58 | rox | Miesco: try with that tool |
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| 07:16.49 | Miesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.49 | Miesco | Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf". |
| 07:16.50 | Miesco | Segmentation fault |
| 07:17.12 | Supaplex | welcome to non-free nvidia. :-D |
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| 07:20.37 | isai | hi |
| 07:20.42 | Miesco | rox: http://pastebin.com/m54f5029c error that X gives |
| 07:20.45 | MICHAELKYLE | does debian and ubuntu use the same xorg version? |
| 07:21.01 | MICHAELKYLE | i mean both distros last versions |
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| 07:21.18 | Miesco | stable? |
| 07:21.26 | isai | erm, am running out of room on / but have room on /home, how can I move space over? |
| 07:21.35 | MICHAELKYLE | Miesco, yes |
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| 07:22.25 | Miesco | MICHAELKYLE: I dunno, check packages.debian.org and the ubuntu one |
| 07:23.03 | simonrvn | theversion might be similar, but they may not be the same, due to patches and/or packaging |
| 07:23.50 | simonrvn | it's like trying to install redhat rpms on mandrake/mandriva |
| 07:24.28 | MICHAELKYLE | Miesco, the thing is i have to same desktops computers, i mean exactly the same hardware specs, in one i have debian and in the other one i installed xubuntu, the thing is in debian i can set my desktop res to 1024x768, but in xubuntu ive tried everything, every possible configuration, even setting 1024x768 as the only res in xorg.conf, and i cant still change it form 800x600 |
| 07:24.29 | rox | Miesco: this looks very weird; did you get the nvidia packages from debian or from nvidia? |
| 07:24.29 | Caelum | source packages generally work though |
| 07:26.15 | Caelum | MICHAELKYLE: are the monitors the same too? |
| 07:26.21 | Supaplex | Caelum: that generallity (bumming non debian source packages) to port w/o modification has hosed a debian machine of mine before. you're better off with plain upstream sources |
| 07:26.23 | MICHAELKYLE | Caelum, yes |
| 07:26.47 | MICHAELKYLE | BenQ V551 they support 1024 res at 65hz |
| 07:27.01 | Caelum | Supaplex: really? what happened? |
| 07:27.17 | Miesco | rox: debian, sid |
| 07:27.19 | Supaplex | Caelum: upon removal, it ate config files that belonged to another package |
| 07:27.36 | Caelum | Supaplex: which is a clear violation of debian policy... |
| 07:28.10 | Supaplex | and not a debian issue, because it was a 'based on debian' source package. |
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| 07:28.34 | Caelum | bastards |
| 07:28.57 | Supaplex | yup :P |
| 07:29.03 | Caelum | basing stuff on debian shouldn't mean doing away with the policy :) |
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| 07:29.39 | Supaplex | well, like the <based on debian> factoid says, it may not live up to our standards. |
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| 07:30.37 | Supaplex | experimental's done that to me too, but well, that's the nature of the beast :) |
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| 07:32.24 | raju | i created a live cd with the help of livehelper , i annot add my bootsplash what to da |
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| 07:46.56 | rox | Miesco: what does this command output: sudo find / -name "nvidia_drv.so" |
| 07:47.08 | rox | Miesco: this is the actual driver |
| 07:49.06 | MICHAELKYLE | Caelum, so u dont know what this could be? |
| 07:53.19 | Arelis | raju: can't help ya with that |
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| 07:54.38 | Arelis | raju: or rather, i have no experience on making debian livecds |
| 07:54.41 | daba | http://www.tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ |
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| 07:54.51 | Arelis | !ops daba is a flooder |
| 07:54.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: arelis complains about: daba is a flooder |
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| 08:01.08 | Arelis | If i may not post this here, then sorry, and i will not anymore. This is NSFW! is this for real? http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
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| 08:05.50 | user2008 | hello. i have problem with installing locales. trying "apt-get install locales" - got error "Depends: glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1", when i try "apt-get install glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1", system wrote that glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1 is already installed (inside of libc6). so - how can i install locales? |
| 08:05.56 | user2008 | i suppose that my libc6 package is broken, how to fix it? |
| 08:07.28 | valdyn | user2008: the versions dont match |
| 08:07.39 | valdyn | user2008: so read the error messages again comparing versions |
| 08:07.43 | user2008 | how can i fix it? |
| 08:08.05 | valdyn | user2008: why did you break it, i.e. mix stable with testing or unstable and then revert? |
| 08:08.49 | user2008 | i have this problem after fsck moves many files to lost+found |
| 08:08.57 | user2008 | so i need re-install some packages |
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| 08:09.20 | valdyn | user2008: paste the output of apt-cache policy locales and apt-cache policy libc6 on a paste site |
| 08:09.29 | valdyn | user2008: and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:09.37 | user2008 | which paste site should i use? |
| 08:09.41 | valdyn | user2008: and tell which debian release you actually intend to use |
| 08:09.43 | valdyn | !paste |
| 08:09.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 08:10.03 | user2008 | ok, wait |
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| 08:11.58 | user2008 | =)-):))) |
| 08:12.04 | user2008 | -= valdyn =- http://rafb.net/p/SK8rc383.html |
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| 08:12.58 | valdyn | Installed: 2.5-9+b1 is some old testing or unstable libc6. You cant just downgrade |
| 08:13.20 | valdyn | user2008: so which debian release are you going to use? |
| 08:13.40 | user2008 | there is "uname -a" output in paste |
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| 08:14.04 | valdyn | user2008: thats not a debian kernel and it does not tell me which debian release you intend to use |
| 08:14.45 | user2008 | it is server with linux-vserver installed. this is VPS with debian |
| 08:14.51 | GuilhermeBrant | Any Ruby IDE I can easily download via apt-get? |
| 08:15.05 | jaggz- | dmraid is saying: "ERROR: DOS: partition address past end of Raid device" |
| 08:15.12 | sordith | GuilhermeBrant: "apt-cache" is your tool of choice to do searches |
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| 08:15.32 | valdyn | user2008: you dont understand what "debian release" means? |
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| 08:15.47 | user2008 | i don't know how to look it. |
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| 08:16.03 | valdyn | user2008: this is about intention, not "looking something up" |
| 08:16.03 | Nostahl | hi all is there a cd i can burn that will boot my sd slot |
| 08:16.10 | jaggz- | and dmraid doesn't setup dm-4 (the 4th partition) .. but it gets the prior 3 |
| 08:16.28 | sordith | user2008: to look what release you are using, you can "cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 08:16.31 | valdyn | user2008: you edited your sources.list to pull stable while you already have packages from testing or unstable installed |
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| 08:16.53 | valdyn | user2008: i dont care what you actually have, i know what you actually have, a bastardisation of debian. |
| 08:17.02 | user2008 | file sources.list was edited last time more than year ago i suppose |
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| 08:18.15 | Nostahl | is there a cd i can burn to boot my sd slot |
| 08:18.15 | jaggz- | are fdisk's blocks in 1024k?? |
| 08:18.33 | user2008 | debian_version tell that this is 3.1 version |
| 08:18.35 | valdyn | jaggz-: depends on the mode, expert mode is 512 |
| 08:18.39 | valdyn | jaggz-: bytes not K |
| 08:18.41 | jaggz- | it's showing me, for instance, 454 million for my roughly 450 gigabyte partition.. |
| 08:18.49 | jaggz- | right, bytes.. :) |
| 08:18.53 | sordith | Nostahl: there is a so called netinstall ISO for Debian |
| 08:19.15 | Nostahl | no im looking for a cd that will look for my sd slot and load whats needed to boot from it |
| 08:19.23 | valdyn | jaggz-: right, the partition layout is using more than the disks size, thats why your error message |
| 08:19.35 | Nostahl | cause my bios isnt giving me the option |
| 08:19.42 | Nostahl | and i have the latest version |
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| 08:19.52 | user2008 | valdyn, tell me please how to solve this versions difference in right way? |
| 08:19.54 | jaggz- | 454million is fine for the first partition.. it's a 500gb disk :) |
| 08:20.14 | sordith | Nostahl: if the BIOS does not support you to boot from an SD slot, no other software can fix that directly |
| 08:20.24 | Nostahl | realy? |
| 08:20.29 | valdyn | user2008: ok, ill rephrase this: You have a fucked up debian install mixture of stable / unstable / testing / whatever. I *just* want to know if your system must be debian/stable |
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| 08:20.51 | dam85 | hello everybody |
| 08:20.57 | dam85 | i have one problem with msyql |
| 08:21.01 | dam85 | (i have debian etch) |
| 08:21.08 | dam85 | INSTALL -----> http://phpfi.com/301213 |
| 08:21.13 | dam85 | REMOVE ----->http://phpfi.com/301214 |
| 08:21.26 | user2008 | i don't care if it will be mixture but if it will work properly. right now i need only one thing - install locales |
| 08:21.28 | dam85 | i can't install/remove or reinstall de package °_° |
| 08:21.38 | valdyn | user2008: mixtures DONT work properly, thats the point |
| 08:21.38 | dam85 | please can you help me? |
| 08:21.39 | jaggz- | valdyn: and if I calculate the start+size sectors for the last partition, it ends on the last cylinder |
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| 08:21.52 | dam85 | what can i do? |
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| 08:22.09 | valdyn | jaggz-: the partition table is fucked. |
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| 08:22.28 | dam85 | i don't know why i can install/remove the package |
| 08:22.31 | valdyn | user2008: reinstall or try upgrading to lenny |
| 08:22.54 | jaggz- | that is, last cylinder is 60801 .. so total sectors is, I guess, *63*255 which is: 976768065. Last partition is 4, it starts at 912331350 and + its size of 64436715 comes out to 976768065 .. same as the total sectors |
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| 08:23.33 | dam85 | ? |
| 08:24.13 | jaggz- | what's wrong with my partition table? doesn't it look fine? |
| 08:24.25 | valdyn | dam85: out "exit 0" in the 2nd line of /etc/init.d/mysql, then purge the package |
| 08:24.27 | user2008 | you mean that i need upgrade debian to install locales package? |
| 08:24.29 | valdyn | dam85: put "exit 0" in the 2nd line of /etc/init.d/mysql, then purge the package |
| 08:24.50 | valdyn | user2008: you need to upgrade to lenny to get your system into a sane state |
| 08:25.01 | jaggz- | in non-expert mode the last partition ends on the last cylinder .. .. *deep breath* |
| 08:25.12 | user2008 | any other way? just to install locales - that is all. |
| 08:25.19 | dam85 | excuse me i don't understand |
| 08:25.24 | valdyn | user2008: not really, not something sane |
| 08:25.25 | dam85 | now i have remove the pacheke |
| 08:25.41 | valdyn | user2008: now suddenly you seem to know that you want to stick to stable, neat |
| 08:25.44 | dam85 | rm /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-client-5.0_5.0.32-7etch5_amd64.deb |
| 08:25.50 | dam85 | rm /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.32-7etch5_amd64.deb |
| 08:25.58 | jaggz- | uh |
| 08:26.02 | valdyn | dam85: why remove the .deb file? |
| 08:26.08 | jaggz- | lol |
| 08:26.16 | dam85 | because there are always errors |
| 08:26.26 | valdyn | dam85: reading is hard |
| 08:26.52 | dam85 | have i to open /etc/init.d/mysql ?? |
| 08:27.11 | valdyn | dam85: you edit /etc/init.d/mysql, put "exit 0" into the second line, run "aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0" or "apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0" |
| 08:27.34 | raju | Arelis, from whom i can get the help |
| 08:28.01 | dam85 | ok i try |
| 08:28.32 | valdyn | user2008: you can downgrade to etch theoretically, but thats tricky and takes time, reinstall is easier |
| 08:28.42 | valdyn | user2008: or just upgrade, as i said. |
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| 08:29.55 | jaggz- | i'm of no help to them at the moment |
| 08:30.20 | jaggz- | so.. valdyn, I don't see what you see bad in my partition table |
| 08:30.34 | valdyn | jaggz-: i dont see your partition table, i only read your error message |
| 08:30.34 | dam85 | valdyn |
| 08:30.41 | dam85 | the file starts http://phpfi.com/301217 |
| 08:30.41 | jaggz- | good point |
| 08:30.47 | dam85 | where can i put exit 0 |
| 08:31.46 | valdyn | dam85: create a new 2nd line, put jst exit 0 in it |
| 08:32.10 | jaggz- | http://bdh.voyager.com/ptable.txt |
| 08:32.46 | dam85 | http://phpfi.com/301218 ??? |
| 08:33.06 | jaggz- | sure |
| 08:33.21 | jaggz- | you can't follow directions, but that's ok I think. :) |
| 08:33.42 | dam85 | jaggz- is ok? |
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| 08:34.03 | user2008 | i don't understand why should i upgrade working system. it was working perfectly before fsck makes such troubles... right now only one trouble left - locales package. and i think there is a way to force installcation of it |
| 08:34.12 | jaggz- | then do the purge thing |
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| 08:35.26 | dam85 | when i put exit 0, i do apt-get --purge remove mysql-server-5.0 mysql-client-5.0 |
| 08:35.27 | dam85 | right? |
| 08:35.29 | jaggz- | user2008: is your drive damaged or are you using messed up versions of software?? |
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| 08:35.50 | jaggz- | dam, that's what valdyn said, yes |
| 08:36.13 | user2008 | there was some problems, fsck moves files to lost+found, some libraries files and so on. |
| 08:36.46 | user2008 | right now i suppose there are some difference in software versions |
| 08:37.00 | jaggz- | are you using ext3fs? |
| 08:37.01 | Arelis | raju: ask around in here. |
| 08:37.07 | user2008 | because some of them from old install, some of them was installed as new |
| 08:37.09 | xushi | bah, debian is not seing my raid 1 partitions for some reason... everytime i add another of the ahrd drives to the list, it only sees it as, sdg, not sdg1, and i can't do anything about it |
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| 08:37.15 | dam85 | okay but is ok this ---> ? http://phpfi.com/301218 |
| 08:37.24 | dam85 | exit 0 it's ok? |
| 08:37.25 | xushi | even after i fix it, then reboot and add new hard drive, it sees the old one as sdg again, not sdg1 |
| 08:37.40 | dam85 | 17st row |
| 08:37.44 | jaggz- | dam, you're pissing me off. I already answered that |
| 08:37.45 | user2008 | right now all stuff was restired except locales |
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| 08:37.57 | blubberdiblub | dam85: yeah, the placement of the command is okay |
| 08:38.04 | dam85 | perfect |
| 08:38.06 | xushi | is this normal ? |
| 08:38.19 | dam85 | and sorry i don't speak english well |
| 08:38.23 | dam85 | :( |
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| 08:38.42 | jaggz- | that's not it.. "yes that's fine" you understand -- you just aren't paying attention. |
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| 08:39.11 | jaggz- | just letting you know :) |
| 08:39.26 | jaggz- | so does anyone see anything wrong with my partition tables: http://bdh.voyager.com/ptable.txt |
| 08:39.32 | dam85 | :) |
| 08:39.57 | dam85 | :( |
| 08:40.04 | dam85 | it's seems to be blocked: http://phpfi.com/301219 |
| 08:40.24 | dam85 | is blocked. |
| 08:40.29 | dam85 | °_° |
| 08:40.37 | dam85 | what can i do? |
| 08:40.38 | xushi | is it normal to see the hard drives as sdX, and not sdX1 ? |
| 08:40.58 | jaggz- | I don't use apt-get that way.. why don't you use aptitude instead? |
| 08:41.17 | tarzeau | xushi: yes, 1 would be a partitoned hard drive |
| 08:41.23 | jaggz- | dam85: run aptitude, use / (slash) to start a search and search for the package (mysql) |
| 08:41.26 | tarzeau | xushi: you create those with cfdisk or fdisk |
| 08:41.34 | Anonissimus | I fucked up my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:41.36 | dam85 | aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0 <--- right? |
| 08:41.44 | Anonissimus | how do I repair that?? |
| 08:41.47 | xushi | tarzeau: it's supposed to be partitioned.. and i did partition it 4 times now.. but everytime i restart and add another hard drive, the old ones mess up again |
| 08:41.49 | tarzeau | Anonissimus: restore it from backup? |
| 08:41.57 | xushi | go back to sdX instead of sdX1 |
| 08:41.59 | tarzeau | Anonissimus: or recreate it. why did you fuck it up? |
| 08:42.14 | jaggz- | use the 'n' key to search again until you get to the package you want.. then use - to remove it .. then use 'g' to begin the process |
| 08:42.17 | dam85 | perfect works! |
| 08:42.20 | jaggz- | yeah.. go ahead and do the purge thing |
| 08:42.25 | Anonissimus | well I installed madwifi, they gave an example of how the file should look |
| 08:42.25 | tarzeau | xushi: can you tell in detailed steps what commands you exactly give? is the disk broken? what says dmesg? |
| 08:42.29 | Anonissimus | so I tried that |
| 08:42.38 | valdyn | xushi: sdx is the hard drive, sdx1 the partition, if the disk contains partition then you should have _both_ |
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| 08:43.48 | dam85 | shit! the install doesn't works http://phpfi.com/301220 |
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| 08:44.14 | xushi | tarzeau: sure.. I cfdisk, create the partition as FD for sdg, then i use mdadm to mirror the working sdf1 raid1 disk into sdg1. After that, reboot and it's all ok.. I add another hard drive (sdh and sdi for example) that were partitioned and worked on the other machine, but now it sees sdg without sdg1, same with the new sdh and sdi (no sdh1 sdi1). |
| 08:44.17 | xushi | as for dmesg, 1 sec |
| 08:44.42 | tarzeau | xushi: no idea sorry. i don't use mdadm stuff |
| 08:44.43 | xushi | these are perfectly working raid sets that i'm just moving from my gentoo machine to this debian machine |
| 08:44.51 | xushi | tarzeau: it has nothing to do with mdadm... |
| 08:45.03 | xushi | even before or without mdadm running, it should still see the partitions (Ext3) |
| 08:45.13 | dam85 | jaggz-: ---> http://phpfi.com/301220 |
| 08:45.54 | jaggz- | maybe mysql's configured wrong so it doesn't startup?? |
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| 08:47.06 | dam85 | no before |
| 08:47.10 | dam85 | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:47.25 | dam85 | all the system was worked good |
| 08:47.50 | henkpoley | Is there a way to make a module not load during boot? (mod: b43legacy-phy0, dist: Lenny) |
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| 08:49.50 | cahoot | !blacklist |
| 08:49.52 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
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| 08:50.34 | henkpoley | Thanks cahoot |
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| 08:54.09 | dam85 | which is the different between aptidute and apt-get ? |
| 08:54.33 | henkpoley | aptitude uses ap-get, which uses dpkg |
| 08:54.39 | henkpoley | It's layered |
| 08:55.14 | henkpoley | aptitude knows a bit more about what's sane, and what's not so good idea to do |
| 08:55.31 | dam85 | ah ok |
| 08:55.35 | dam85 | good |
| 08:55.58 | williamham | hi allthis may be a simple question but.. I logged into a machine earlier and while using vi up arrow gives me a "A" and down gives me "B".. is this locales or something different? |
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| 08:57.09 | henkpoley | If it is, try starting vi with `LANG=C vi` |
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| 08:57.34 | henkpoley | I do know that arrow keys show up like ^]A sometimes |
| 08:58.02 | williamham | henkpoley cheers I will try |
| 08:58.05 | SparFux | I think it's a terminal prob. |
| 08:58.26 | SparFux | The terminal isn't capable of moving cursor up or so, so it generates this metacharacter. |
| 08:58.29 | Supaplex | it's terminally terminal? |
| 08:58.30 | SparFux | And stays on line. |
| 08:58.45 | SparFux | supaplex: I don't know for sure. |
| 08:59.11 | williamham | I should add.. only on insert mode for vi |
| 08:59.14 | SparFux | My jack / xmms freezes the whole system when running in realtime mode. Is there a bug? |
| 08:59.23 | henkpoley | Bleh.. b43legacy-phy0 is just a kernel message, not the module name |
| 09:00.41 | Supaplex | </pun> |
| 09:00.52 | liable | modules.dep isnt very helpfull |
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| 09:00.58 | liable | doh |
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| 09:02.48 | icedtea | is there a way to monitor disk writes/reads to a hard drive? |
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| 09:05.36 | henkpoley | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 09:05.36 | dpkg | well, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 09:06.01 | henkpoley | Ah well. they ditched the kernel commandline blacklist ? |
| 09:06.14 | henkpoley | Guess I'll open the machine again.. |
| 09:06.36 | mbroeker | icedtea, there is a way, but you need the client application for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazuko |
| 09:07.01 | dirk_ | I want point to a program which is used by wine, how should I display that? : |
| 09:07.01 | dirk_ | wine: cannot find '/home/user/.wine/drive_c/Program |
| 09:07.01 | dirk_ | Files/Finale 2007/FINALE.EXE' |
| 09:07.36 | dirk_ | How should I display /Program Files/ in the terminal? |
| 09:07.47 | dirk_ | or better, in a script |
| 09:08.02 | Caelum | icedtea: sysstat comes with iostat |
| 09:08.16 | mbroeker | dirk_, cd "TO STRANGE DIR"; wine FINALE.exe |
| 09:08.17 | henkpoley | Use a \ before the space |
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| 09:08.49 | cahoot | shouldn't the quotes suffice? |
| 09:08.52 | henkpoley | Or quote the path like: "/home/user/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Finale 2007/FINALE.EX" |
| 09:08.59 | henkpoley | both will do |
| 09:09.15 | dirk_ | ok, thanks I'll try it |
| 09:09.28 | henkpoley | Quotes sometimes can't be used in a script, when you want to some variable parsing |
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| 09:12.00 | mbroeker | or wine C:/Progra~1/Final~1/Finale.exe ( look with cmd how it is called :) ) |
| 09:12.26 | dirk_ | quotes doesnt work in the sh script |
| 09:12.50 | xushi | Just so as to reduce confusion, i wrote all the details here if anyone can help me with the partition problems > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/raid1-ext3-partitions-lost-with-every-reboot-626559/#post3081835 |
| 09:12.51 | icedtea | Caelum: I need to figure out which files are silently being read/written to so I can move them to a tmpfs |
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| 09:13.34 | icedtea | noisey hard drive on my firewall/router |
| 09:13.51 | icedtea | it shuts down for a minute, wakes up, shuts back down, etc. etc. |
| 09:14.04 | godling | icedtea: hit it a few times. it will stop. |
| 09:14.11 | mbroeker | icedtea, there are some tools in the dazuko distribution. or you can strace your applications too... |
| 09:14.29 | icedtea | godling: brillant idea ;) |
| 09:14.41 | dirk_ | henkpoley, wine /Program\ Files/Finale\ 2007/ ??? |
| 09:14.44 | godling | icedtea: I'm full of them. |
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| 09:15.27 | SparFux | Is there a way to display a motd in grub at boot time? So I can see which disk got booted up? |
| 09:15.37 | icedtea | mbroeker: I"ll check it out |
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| 09:16.16 | Caelum | icedtea: you might want to mount it with "noatime" |
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| 09:16.46 | henkpoley | dirk_: probably, I don't know if wine does "windows paths" on the commandline |
| 09:16.48 | Caelum | icedtea: that will drastically reduce disk activity |
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| 09:17.21 | icedtea | Caleum: ahh, good idea |
| 09:17.25 | henkpoley | Or relatime |
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| 09:18.07 | henkpoley | Breaks less apps than noatime :P (not that many, btw) |
| 09:18.19 | dam85 | how can i install mysql4-1 ?? |
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| 09:18.42 | Caelum | dam85: apt-cache search mysql |
| 09:19.41 | dirk_ | henkpoley et al, thanks: wine C:/Program\ Files/Finale\ 2007/Finale.Exe |
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| 09:20.32 | dam85 | yes but |
| 09:20.42 | dam85 | qhen i install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 09:20.55 | dam85 | it depends |
| 09:20.58 | dam85 | mysql-server-5.1 |
| 09:21.00 | dam85 | °_° |
| 09:21.09 | Caelum | heh |
| 09:21.17 | Caelum | that's kinda strange |
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| 09:21.51 | dam85 | °_° |
| 09:21.55 | dam85 | i don't know! |
| 09:21.58 | dam85 | why? |
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| 09:23.27 | dam85 | i want 4. |
| 09:23.35 | dam85 | but installa the 5.0 °_° |
| 09:23.43 | azeem | because 4 is no longer supported |
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| 09:24.58 | dirk_ | My terminals are not working properly: the TAB function is not working, arrow up gives: ^[[A , Home gives: ^[OH and End gives: ^[OF . The name of the desktop or user isn't displayed, I only have $ in my terminal. I'm working on gnome |
| 09:25.23 | Supaplex | dirk_: echo $TERM |
| 09:26.03 | Caelum | dam85: you could try to find a deb for the old version and install it manually (or temporarily switch your sources.list) |
| 09:26.42 | icedtea | hrm. I wonder what would happen if I mounted the root filesystem read only |
| 09:27.02 | icedtea | that would cut down the writes and hence the noise |
| 09:27.29 | dirk_ | Supaplex, give xterm, but the problem is also in Gnome-terminal, Konsole |
| 09:27.39 | Caelum | icedtea: you can also tweak various things with hdparm |
| 09:27.52 | Ace2016 | HI all |
| 09:27.55 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.05 | icedtea | knoppix |
| 09:28.30 | mbroeker | i prefer dsl < 50 mb on an usb stick |
| 09:28.54 | Ace2016 | yea i like knoppix, i hope they have an updated version |
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| 09:29.18 | dam85 | mysql pachage has a problem1!! |
| 09:29.24 | dam85 | it's no run |
| 09:30.04 | NetEcho_ | the mysql package is fine |
| 09:30.28 | icedtea | how do you remount the root filesystem? is there a way to call init to do this? |
| 09:30.32 | dam85 | http://phpfi.com/301230 <----------- |
| 09:30.36 | dam85 | is not :( |
| 09:30.53 | NetEcho_ | dam85, the package is fine, its an issue on your end |
| 09:31.35 | dam85 | http://phpfi.com/301231 |
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| 09:32.39 | NetEcho_ | still very much an issue on your end |
| 09:32.42 | NetEcho_ | the package works fine |
| 09:32.56 | dam85 | excuse i don't understand |
| 09:33.07 | NetEcho_ | don't say there is an issue with the package |
| 09:33.14 | NetEcho_ | there is an issue with your installed version |
| 09:33.30 | Caelum | icedtea: mount -o ro,remount / |
| 09:33.42 | xushi | erm, how does one make menuconfig in debian? cd /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-amd64/ && make menuconfig is giving me errors |
| 09:33.52 | icedtea | Caelum: thanks I looked for that but couldn't find it in the man page |
| 09:33.54 | cahoot | !k-p |
| 09:33.55 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra> |
| 09:34.09 | NetEcho_ | beat me to it cahoot lol |
| 09:34.19 | Caelum | :) |
| 09:34.25 | xushi | cahoot: but if i don't want to compile, just see the settings ? |
| 09:34.37 | NetEcho_ | xushi, which kernel are you compiling? |
| 09:34.40 | cahoot | see the ncusrses thing? |
| 09:35.21 | NetEcho_ | and is it to fix a problem or just for shits and giggles? |
| 09:35.21 | xushi | NetEcho_: not compiling.. just trying to check the settings currently enabled. and uname says 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 09:35.39 | NetEcho_ | so read the conf file ins /boo/t |
| 09:35.42 | NetEcho_ | */boot/ |
| 09:36.00 | xushi | it's to fix a problem if it's related... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/raid1-ext3-partitions-lost-with-every-reboot-626559/#post3081835 |
| 09:36.26 | NetEcho_ | try upgrading kernels |
| 09:36.38 | NetEcho_ | check backports for a newer kernel |
| 09:36.45 | NetEcho_ | I'm using 2.6.22-4 |
| 09:36.48 | xushi | NetEcho_: do you think it's a kernel problem ? |
| 09:37.02 | NetEcho_ | quite possibly |
| 09:37.21 | NetEcho_ | using a backport kernel is much faster than compiling one from scratch too |
| 09:37.21 | xushi | do you have a tutorial on where/how i can ugrade ? |
| 09:37.30 | NetEcho_ | !backports |
| 09:37.31 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 09:37.41 | xushi | thanks |
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| 09:37.45 | NetEcho_ | np |
| 09:37.59 | NetEcho_ | the newest one for ETCH will be kernel-image-2.6.22.4 |
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| 09:42.28 | xushi | so basically i would do `apt-get -t etch-backports install kernel-image` ? |
| 09:44.28 | xushi | hmm, not quite.. i just need to find the package name |
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| 09:44.41 | xushi | oh i seenow |
| 09:45.19 | xushi | would a Sempron 2800+ cpu be considered amd64-general, or k8, or k8-smp ? |
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| 09:46.46 | xushi | generic* , thanks. |
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| 09:50.35 | bluecake | anyone have problem with apache, displaying plan text files? such as file.java, file.c, file.cpp within firefox? |
| 09:51.02 | bluecake | i have this in mime.types ... /etc/mime.types |
| 09:51.03 | bluecake | text/x-c++srcc++ cpp cxx c |
| 09:51.15 | bluecake | text/x-javajava |
| 09:51.33 | sauvin | I can understand fds 0, 1 and 2 being listed under /proc/$pid/fd, but what's 255? |
| 09:52.03 | bluecake | for some reason, apache did not look /etc/mime.types or it was over written during load time. |
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| 09:55.18 | Tapout | I wonder if I should install lenny, cause my hardware must be too new for etch, keeps having issues.. hw csum failure and shit |
| 09:55.29 | laurly | whats the command to get the curent debian version and kernal version? |
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| 09:56.25 | eth01 | !shit |
| 09:56.25 | dpkg | hmm... shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
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| 09:56.48 | eth01 | :> |
| 09:57.09 | Tapout | fair enough, ok .. hw csum failure and going down faster than a hooker on a new york street corner. |
| 09:57.13 | Caelum | laurly: cat /etc/debian_version; uname -a |
| 09:57.54 | laurly | worked :) |
| 09:58.23 | laurly | whats the latest kernal? |
| 09:58.48 | Caelum | laurly: apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 09:59.31 | laurly | Caelum that going to break something? |
| 09:59.34 | Tapout | if you guys were getting a brand new install having issues, would you install lenny or sid? ( or whatever is after lenny.. and ps, who names this stuff.. same guys doing the hurricanes?) :) |
| 09:59.42 | xushi | running `apt-get -t etch-backports install kernel-image-2.6-amd64-generic` just installed another 2.6.18 kernel for me.. |
| 09:59.53 | Caelum | laurly: nope |
| 10:00.11 | laurly | i tend to leave apt-get to my X hes better and if he breaks the server i can yell at him. |
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| 10:00.35 | laurly | its got 2.6 he must have upgraded it :) |
| 10:00.50 | Caelum | xushi: maybe there's a specific package for a later version |
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| 10:01.03 | laurly | although im still prowed of myself that i managed to edit shorewall with out breaking anything :) |
| 10:01.21 | xushi | Caelum: from what i understood, i was supposed to get 2.6.22 from backports |
| 10:01.23 | tarbo | hello $C |
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| 10:02.58 | Caelum | xushi: so you want to install something like linux-image-2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 10:03.23 | tarbo | hello #debian |
| 10:03.35 | xushi | Caelum: yes, but if i run `apt-cache search linux-image`, i don't see it |
| 10:03.50 | ringo999 | hi folks, my debian crashed and i had to reinstall it (long story). I'm having problems getting my wireless back to work. I used to have an eth1 interface, but iwconfig wont list that anymore. I have ipw3945 / wpasupplicant installed. But where is eht1? |
| 10:04.03 | Caelum | xushi: do you see it on backports.org ? |
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| 10:04.22 | Caelum | ringo999: does lsmod show the module as loaded? |
| 10:04.45 | Tapout | how do you get aptitude dist-upgrade .. to only download the packages .. i keep having nic issues so I gotta keep rebooting |
| 10:04.54 | xushi | Caelum: yes |
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| 10:05.07 | Tapout | anyone know? |
| 10:05.18 | Caelum | Tapout: why do you have to reboot because of nic issues? |
| 10:05.22 | Tapout | I'm guessing/hoping it's fixed on lenny |
| 10:05.23 | tarbo | hello #debian freenode |
| 10:05.34 | ringo999 | Caelum: yeah, ipw3945 is loaded |
| 10:05.47 | Tapout | Caelum, bought a new system yesterday.. getting nic issues.. __skb_checksum_complete... call trace |
| 10:05.52 | xushi | Caelum: i used to have to when the nic module was built in the kernel, and it crashed.. what i did was make it external, and just rmmod and modprobe again instead of rebooting. |
| 10:06.18 | Caelum | ringo999: weird, then it should show up |
| 10:07.05 | Tapout | does aptitude dist-upgrade .. md5/checksum every file? |
| 10:07.19 | ringo999 | Caelum: any idea how to resolv? |
| 10:07.35 | xushi | Caelum: so i see it in backports.org, what do i have to do to get it installed? |
| 10:07.37 | Caelum | ringo999: no clue... check your /var/log/messages |
| 10:07.38 | ringo999 | Caelum: i wished I had written down how I got it working the first time |
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| 10:08.21 | Caelum | Tapout: you can do apt-get -d dist-upgrade to download only |
| 10:08.45 | Caelum | ringo999: watch your log while you modprobe -r/modprobe the module |
| 10:08.53 | Caelum | ringo999: you might need firmware or something |
| 10:09.08 | Caelum | xushi: are you sure you're using the right url in sources.list? |
| 10:09.32 | ringo999 | Caelum: yeah there is an error message in dmesg |
| 10:09.37 | ringo999 | Caelum: ipw3945: ipw3945.ucode load failed: Reason -2 ipw3945: Could not read microcode: -2 |
| 10:09.41 | Tapout | Caelum, my machine goes crazy with the nic problems .. i pray to god lenny fixes this :) |
| 10:09.49 | utrrrongeeb | Will Debian run on a Pentium II with 96 MB RAM? |
| 10:09.57 | xushi | Caelum: well i did waht was said in the instructions on their website.. `deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free` |
| 10:10.07 | xushi | and then apt-get update |
| 10:10.08 | ktwilight | utrrrongeeb, barely, but it also depends what you are using it for |
| 10:10.32 | Caelum | ringo999: yeah, you need firmware |
| 10:10.44 | ringo999 | Caelum: how do i do that? |
| 10:10.56 | ringo999 | Caelum: now I remember there was something... |
| 10:10.57 | Caelum | ringo999: search google for information on your hardware under linux |
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| 10:11.14 | utrrrongeeb | ktwilight: Thanks, is that with X? |
| 10:11.59 | Caelum | xushi: then I don't know...try installing the deb manually |
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| 10:12.36 | `duKe` | hey, is there a way to start a SSH server within the installation of debian? :P |
| 10:12.57 | ktwilight | utrrrongeeb, i wouldn't recommend running X on that machine |
| 10:13.06 | ktwilight | `duKe`, install openssh-server |
| 10:13.20 | xushi | Caelum: how? by downloading linux-latest-2.6_11.1~bpo40+2.tar.gz and dpkg -i ? |
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| 10:13.55 | utrrrongeeb | ktwilight: Will Debian fit on a 2 GB HD? |
| 10:14.18 | xushi | utrrrongeeb: i have it with X and xfce installed at 1.3G so far |
| 10:14.25 | `duKe` | ktwilight: I mean, I want to insert the install cd of debian and start the installer with a parameter that starts the sshd? |
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| 10:14.46 | TheOnly | utrrrongeeb, I have estimated a debian installation with the most commonly used applications + desktop environment like KDE, but with no development files requires around 800MB of space |
| 10:14.55 | ktwilight | utrrrongeeb, it will |
| 10:15.05 | `duKe` | or I have to setup the network and then install the openssh server with a extra shell there? |
| 10:15.20 | Caelum | xushi: no, not the .tar.gz, the .deb |
| 10:15.27 | ktwilight | `duKe`, you will need to setup network to get openssh running and connectable from somewehere else |
| 10:15.30 | Caelum | xushi: follow the download link |
| 10:15.30 | xushi | oh, didn't notice :) |
| 10:15.48 | `duKe` | ok ;) |
| 10:15.51 | `duKe` | I'll try it |
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| 10:17.04 | MrElendig | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/orphaned_projects.png |
| 10:17.04 | xushi | it still wont install.. http://pastebin.ca/933465 |
| 10:17.30 | utrrrongeeb | ktwilight: Now the problem is getting it on it. The computer doesn't have a DVD drive, and I have only Debian DVDs. |
| 10:17.49 | xushi | utrrrongeeb: get the netinstall image |
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| 10:18.27 | MrElendig | utrrrongeeb: ftp install |
| 10:18.41 | ktwilight | yup |
| 10:18.49 | utrrrongeeb | xushi: Thanks, but I'm on dial-up, and the computer has a Winmodem. |
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| 10:19.05 | ktwilight | then you have a huge problem |
| 10:19.08 | xushi | utrrrongeeb: hmm, borrow a dvd reader from a friend :) |
| 10:19.09 | ktwilight | order the CD pack |
| 10:19.13 | utrrrongeeb | xushi, ktwilight: I have an external USB DVD drive. Should I burn a CD, or try using a floppy to get the DVD going. |
| 10:19.18 | MrElendig | then spend 10$ on a dvd drive |
| 10:19.43 | ktwilight | his mobo may not support usb boot ;) |
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| 10:19.49 | xushi | argh guys, pllleeeeeease.. i'm pulling my hair here.. installing a kernel shouldn't be this hard... |
| 10:19.51 | utrrrongeeb | (oops, that last post should have had a question mark) |
| 10:19.57 | ktwilight | what's up xushi? |
| 10:20.00 | xushi | how can i install backport's new kernel?! it just won't do it here |
| 10:20.01 | MrElendig | he coud use an internal dvd drive |
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| 10:20.24 | MrElendig | swap put the cd drive |
| 10:20.26 | xushi | apt-cache wont show the new kernel (at least i can't see it). doing it manually gives me dependancy errors |
| 10:20.28 | MrElendig | out* |
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| 10:20.52 | ktwilight | xushi, just install it apt-get install -t etch-backports linux-image-whtaever-here |
| 10:21.01 | xushi | isn't an external dvd drive an internal one with a usb enclosure you can remove? |
| 10:21.04 | ktwilight | utrrrongeeb, the easiest is get the CD pack |
| 10:21.21 | xushi | ktwilight: yes, but linux-image-2.6.22..... doesn't exist here.. |
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| 10:21.24 | xushi | that's what it says |
| 10:21.29 | ktwilight | xushi, apt-get update? |
| 10:21.36 | xushi | i did that |
| 10:21.46 | utrrrongeeb | ktwilight: At the very least, it doesn't support USB DVD drive boot. The external DVD drive is an internal drive, but I'd rather put doing that off as long as I can. |
| 10:21.59 | Eulex | xushi, how does your sources.list look? |
| 10:22.07 | ktwilight | utrrrongeeb, then follow what MrElendig said, stuff your dvd drive inside the machine |
| 10:22.17 | utrrrongeeb | ktwilight, xushi: Is it possible a floppy could load the DVD from the USB DVD drive, or should I get a CD? |
| 10:22.36 | MrElendig | utrrrongeeb: takes 5 mins max swapping the drives |
| 10:22.36 | xushi | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/933473 |
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| 10:22.44 | MrElendig | getting the cd set takes days |
| 10:22.44 | xushi | line 15 |
| 10:23.02 | xushi | utrrrongeeb: are you in USA ? |
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| 10:23.41 | MrElendig | if you got another machine with a dvd drive you can always move over the hd and use the other box to install |
| 10:23.47 | utrrrongeeb | ktwilight, MrElandig: I could get a CD downloaded from a high-speed connection elsewhere. Could a boot floppy work? |
| 10:23.58 | utrrrongeeb | xushi: No, but just north of it. |
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| 10:24.15 | Eulex | xushi, and your arch is? |
| 10:24.18 | xushi | utrrrongeeb: canada... go toyour nearest bestbuy, or computer store, buy a dvd reader for 10$, use it, then return it the next day |
| 10:24.23 | MrElendig | utrrrongeeb: it coud. but floppies are damn unreliable |
| 10:24.28 | xushi | Eulex: amd64. It's a Sempron 2800+ cpu |
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| 10:25.36 | MrElendig | onother solution if you got another box with a dvd drive is to remaster the dvd image onto cd's |
| 10:25.40 | utrrrongeeb | xushi: I'd rather not... I'd rather get a CD if need be. |
| 10:25.48 | xushi | utrrrongeeb: your choice |
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| 10:26.15 | darius12 | how is bash completion handled in debian lenny? |
| 10:26.16 | xushi | Eulex: right.. running `apt-get update` 10 times in a row seems to have done it now... |
| 10:26.20 | xushi | don't know how, don't know why |
| 10:26.48 | xushi | just 1 quick question.. after i apt-get install the kernel, is that it? or do i have to do something to get it running after reboot ? |
| 10:26.54 | darius12 | I see a /etc/bash_completion.d/ but it contains nothing and is sourced by nowhere |
| 10:26.55 | utrrrongeeb | MrElendig: I'm _using_ a computer with a DVD reader - It has Etch installed (in a dual-boot). I'd like to replace DSL on another computer (this older one). So, could the Debian boot floppies do this? |
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| 10:27.08 | utrrrongeeb | MrElendig: How do I do that? |
| 10:27.10 | ktwilight | xushi, just make sure you're booting the right kernel, and you're done. use uname -a to check if it's new |
| 10:27.12 | Eulex | xushi, then you should have an linux-image-2.6.22-3-amd64 as mentioned above... no idea why you don't |
| 10:27.21 | xushi | thanks, will test now |
| 10:27.21 | smhar | if I have wrote a command in the terminal before, I can go up and down its cache using the up/down keys. is there a way where I were I type the first few letters and then use something like tab completion and get to that long command ? |
| 10:27.27 | ktwilight | xushi, maybe you'd need to re-install some drivers, but that depends on your setup |
| 10:27.43 | MrElendig | utrrrongeeb: google for ultimate boot floppies and use those to boot the usb dvd maby? |
| 10:27.45 | et | der ueberragenden schildparade |
| 10:27.49 | et | oops. |
| 10:27.55 | et | mispasted :/ |
| 10:27.58 | Eulex | xushi, you could however just dpkg -i the linux-image (and the corersponding linux-headers if you want to be able to build stuff against it) |
| 10:28.03 | MrElendig | or, if you can burn cd's then remaster the dvd onto a cd |
| 10:28.16 | MrElendig | just do the base pkg's then install the rest over ftp |
| 10:28.42 | xushi | Eulex: sorry, i just want to point out that i only have -4-amd64, not -3 |
| 10:28.45 | MrElendig | or, what I woud do, just swap over the optical drive for 5 mins while installing |
| 10:29.08 | xingu | whoo |
| 10:29.14 | xingu | 171.06 eh |
| 10:29.19 | xingu | time to go play now |
| 10:29.22 | utrrrongeeb | MrElendig: Okay, thanks! How do I remaster to CDs? |
| 10:29.38 | xushi | let's hope this fixes my partition problem =/ |
| 10:29.40 | Eulex | xuser, eh, well, that's not a problem |
| 10:29.47 | Eulex | *xushi |
| 10:29.49 | MrElendig | I don't have a debian guide handy, just an arch one |
| 10:29.52 | xushi | thanks for the help so far channel :) |
| 10:29.53 | MrElendig | :/ |
| 10:30.06 | MrElendig | but google probably have one |
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| 10:32.37 | MrElendig | it's more or less just cp'ing the pkg's you need + the init stuff into a folder, run isolinux and mkisofs |
| 10:33.06 | xushi | reboot: ... ata5.00: excheption Emask .... frozen. port is slow to respoind. please be patient. Abnormal status 0xD0 on port 0x...... |
| 10:33.15 | xushi | i hate this machine |
| 10:33.24 | utrrrongeeb | MrElendig: What floppy can do this? There's some from the Debian site -- are those the ones? |
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| 10:34.01 | MrElendig | utrrrongeeb: http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian |
| 10:34.16 | MrElendig | there you go. make your own isntall cd |
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| 10:35.24 | loca|host | what does the /dev/mapper/rootfs stand for ? used to ? |
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| 10:38.36 | MrElendig | loca|host: sounds like / |
| 10:38.46 | MrElendig | on lvm |
| 10:39.04 | utrrrongeeb | MrElendig: Will the Debian boot floppies recognize a USB DVD drive, or should I just go with the CDs? |
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| 10:39.20 | MrElendig | utrrrongeeb: go to the link and make your own cd |
| 10:39.32 | loca|host | i'm installing a debian on an encrypted fs on usb stick, reading this howto: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
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| 10:39.46 | loca|host | it says i should do mkfs.ext2 /dev/mapper/rootfs |
| 10:40.02 | loca|host | and am aware of breaking my current system |
| 10:40.05 | utrrrongeeb | MrElendig: That site really didn't say much about _how_ to... |
| 10:40.11 | loca|host | why should i touch to that rootfs ? |
| 10:40.37 | aredhel | loca|host, what rootfs points to depends on how you made it. |
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| 10:40.52 | MrElendig | loca|host: that commands makes an ext2 fs on the dm-crypt encrypted root fs |
| 10:41.05 | MrElendig | mut I woudn't use ext2 |
| 10:41.13 | MrElendig | but* |
| 10:41.40 | MrElendig | I woud do ext3 with dir_index instead |
| 10:42.16 | loca|host | am using the ext3 instead, but how to know where it points ? |
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| 10:42.34 | MrElendig | loca|host: it don't point anywhere |
| 10:42.49 | darius12 | aha! I see the bash-completion package exists but it is in sid |
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| 10:43.33 | MrElendig | loca|host: it's a loopback of your real partion |
| 10:43.58 | MrElendig | what partion that is, depends on what partion you encrypted |
| 10:44.13 | aredhel | loca|host, "cryptsetup -y create rootfs /dev/sdd2" in step 5 binds /dev/sdd2 to /dev/mapper/rootfs. |
| 10:44.22 | loca|host | ahhh |
| 10:44.23 | loca|host | clear |
| 10:44.28 | loca|host | thank you guys |
| 10:44.41 | Tapout | "Unbalanced enable for IRQ 16" .. Call Trace .. enable_irq->ide_core..... |
| 10:44.45 | Tapout | anyone seen that before? |
| 10:44.50 | MrElendig | that guide is outdated btw |
| 10:44.52 | loca|host | and what about the sync;sync ? |
| 10:44.56 | MrElendig | you shoud use LUKS now |
| 10:47.10 | aredhel | loca|host, sync, tells Linux to write all the disk buffers to the disk(s). |
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| 10:59.54 | monra | Hello. I asked this in #c but seems there are more programming chatting. My gcc cannot find stdio.h although some days ago it did OK. Now i cannot compile a single program :S. Any ideas where the problem is? |
| 11:00.21 | Caelum | apt-get install build-essential |
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| 11:04.16 | monra | Caelum: thanks |
| 11:05.06 | liable | how to escape the shebang in an echo? i cant seem to get the bugger to escape properly |
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| 11:05.58 | Caelum | liable: put it in single quotes? |
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| 11:06.58 | liable | duh |
| 11:07.02 | liable | !beer Caelum |
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| 11:32.43 | jaalto | whois Dave2 |
| 11:33.20 | eistimax64 | wrong! |
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| 11:37.22 | spaceracoonlady | i wonder why there three different builds of weekly-opera-stat-.deb |
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| 11:44.43 | smhar | if I have wrote a command in the terminal before, I can go up and down its cache using the up/down keys. is there a way where I were I type the first few letters and then use something like tab completion and get to that long command ? |
| 11:45.17 | dondelelcaro | smhar: control-r (or control-s) |
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| 11:45.32 | dondelelcaro | smhar: info readline; for details. |
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| 11:49.09 | Pete_B | ntpd changes time in small increments so is slow when the time is way out. So should I use ntpdate to initially set the time? 'man ntpdate' says it "will decline to set the date if an NTP server daemon is running" yet 'ntpdate -u ntp.demon.co.uk' says "adjust time server 158.152.1.76 offset -0.001505 sec" |
| 11:49.47 | dondelelcaro | Pete_B: you don't need to; ntp itself is smart enough to jump the clock. |
| 11:50.03 | Pete_B | dondelelcaro: great, thanks |
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| 11:51.33 | smhar | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 11:51.36 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 11:56.08 | drcode | hi all |
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| 12:13.23 | smhar | !pastebin |
| 12:13.23 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 12:20.40 | Jabka | where it is legal to host encryption software as project that is based on gnupg ? |
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| 12:20.51 | Jabka | i mean countries |
| 12:21.20 | Jabka | or servers |
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| 12:23.01 | msk | hello all :> i have some (noob probably) question. some... yesterday - or so, ive installed barebone system (just the base system, cause netinstall had some troubles with my asus p5b mainboard, but whatever. i've installed few thingies, played with the aptitude and felt the strength of the super cow, but what I really need is Fx2 - and I cant get it to work as it is suppose to. no gecko based browser cant get with my debian to work - they star |
| 12:23.07 | msk | but load no pages |
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| 12:23.56 | msk | so... what could cause such a behaviour? konqueror works fine, but konqueror is not what i want ;) im not asking about exact commands, just some trail - the reason |
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| 12:25.01 | Hviid | I'm trying to get cups runnning on my server, but after installing cupsys cupsys-client, I should be able to go to machineip:631, but it writes that it couldn't connect, has it something to do with inetd? |
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| 12:26.15 | cahoot | Hviid: pgrep cups returns a pid? |
| 12:26.35 | Hviid | cahoot: yep |
| 12:26.49 | streuner_ | Hviid: http://localhost:631/ |
| 12:27.29 | Hviid | streuner_: couldn't connect |
| 12:27.30 | streuner_ | http://auto.morphismus.info/pics/CeBIT_2008/Debian-Stand/4.jpg |
| 12:27.34 | cahoot | Hviid: you try to connect from another system? |
| 12:27.55 | cahoot | Hviid: then you need edit cupsd.conf |
| 12:27.57 | Hviid | cahoot: It's the only thing I try, I have no X on the machine |
| 12:28.15 | streuner_ | use links or lynx then |
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| 12:28.43 | cahoot | Hviid: IIRC network access isn't enabled by default |
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| 12:29.08 | Hviid | cahoot: I don't follow? |
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| 12:29.41 | Hviid | streuner_: links says Bad URL syntax |
| 12:29.53 | cahoot | Hviid: if I'm not mistaken the default is only configured for access from localhost |
| 12:30.05 | Hviid | Forget http:// :S |
| 12:30.25 | Hviid | cahoot, okay thanks, also looks that way now |
| 12:30.36 | Hviid | cahoot, just thought it was like swat |
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| 12:32.12 | msk2 | Hviid: what about w3mmee? (i didnt use it yet... |
| 12:32.44 | msk2 | so I just can tell you that there is something like that, but cant say how it works:) ) |
| 12:33.23 | Hviid | msk2: w3mmee is w3m with multibyte encoding extension? |
| 12:33.50 | msk2 | i do think so |
| 12:34.48 | msk2 | im going to try it today (is installed, but i had no time to try it out ;) ) |
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| 12:35.18 | Spack971 | hi |
| 12:35.52 | Spack971 | Is there someone who know how to boot a linux kernel with the Grub 2 recue mode ? |
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| 12:44.02 | Theodor | hello. How do I forbid the root account from using ssh? I don't want to enable root account. |
| 12:44.21 | wols | Theodor: edit your sshd_config |
| 12:44.45 | Theodor | wols: I tried to do that. I read an article a while back about adding a rule, but it didn't work. |
| 12:44.54 | Theodor | do you know any articles that I could read? |
| 12:44.56 | petemc | you did it wrong |
| 12:45.20 | wols | there is no "rule". ther is a config option about rootlogin. and it's already in there just not set |
| 12:45.31 | Theodor | wols: what is it? |
| 12:45.52 | petemc | PermitRootLogin no |
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| 12:45.57 | wols | Theodor: open it yourself and look |
| 12:46.11 | Theodor | petemc: that's what I wrote and it gave me configuration error |
| 12:46.17 | petemc | doing it wrong |
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| 12:46.39 | Theodor | petemc: what do you mean? How many ways are there to do it? I simply added that line. |
| 12:46.42 | wols | Theodor: you are not supposed to qrite it since the option is there by default just set not the way you want it |
| 12:46.49 | wols | Theodor: and that was wrong |
| 12:46.54 | Theodor | Ahhhh |
| 12:46.59 | Theodor | wols: thanks a lot. |
| 12:47.11 | Theodor | I guess I should read before asking *Sighs* |
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| 12:47.21 | wols | yes you really should |
| 12:47.22 | scobby | hi all |
| 12:47.29 | Theodor | wols: thanks anyway man. |
| 12:47.50 | scobby | i get a really wired error when i start dpkg-reconfigure http://paste.debian.net/50703 |
| 12:48.12 | scobby | anybody can help me??? apt-get even dont work |
| 12:48.25 | wols | !tell scobby about bat |
| 12:48.28 | Theodor | is there anything I should "restart" ? |
| 12:48.39 | wols | yes your sshd daemon |
| 12:48.48 | azeem | scobby: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 12:49.10 | wols | azeem: how do you know? |
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| 12:49.24 | azeem | ESP |
| 12:49.28 | scobby | esp? |
| 12:49.42 | wols | azeem: can you talk to my dead granma too? got a few questions for her |
| 12:49.50 | Theodor | what are these deamons? troff, groff, nroff, grotty. They're all running as root. |
| 12:49.52 | nuno_nunes | !es |
| 12:49.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:49.55 | azeem | wols: only if she asks on #ubuntu-devel as well |
| 12:49.57 | Theodor | daemon* |
| 12:50.12 | wols | azeem: I see what I can do |
| 12:50.20 | azeem | scobby: but I guess it's a hardware issue |
| 12:50.20 | wols | Theodor: man is your friend |
| 12:50.33 | wols | not to mention at least several of your list aren't daemons |
| 12:50.52 | Theodor | doesn't TOP display daemons ? |
| 12:50.54 | scobby | azeem: tried it via chroot and on an other pc. dont think its an hardware issue |
| 12:51.14 | azeem | scobby: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
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| 12:52.15 | Arelist | wols: after two days of working with debian, i like it more than ubuntu. but since it's only 2 days, we will see. |
| 12:52.46 | scobby | azeem: ii  libc6      2.6.1-1ubuntu10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries (you are right its ubuntu, but the ubuntu channel is only for kiddys with compiz and fglrx problems) |
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| 12:53.54 | wols | ayou should fit right in then. have fun |
| 12:54.14 | xand | scobby: and this is the channel only for debian users |
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| 12:54.39 | scobby | hmmmm ok i think i dont get help in this life...... |
| 12:54.58 | azeem | scobby: dpkg-reconfigure is a perl app, if you get this kind of error, it's likely a hardware issue or Ubuntu messed up badly |
| 12:55.08 | azeem | scobby: is this some virtual server? |
| 12:55.13 | rsavu | hello all. i'm trying to connect to a ldaps server and i'm getting this error: unknown authentification method, additional info: no mechanism available |
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| 12:55.36 | scobby | azeem: its mountet via nfs on a pxe-boot machine. but on the server with chroot it even dont work |
| 12:55.46 | scobby | and thats a debian ethc |
| 12:55.48 | scobby | etch |
| 12:55.53 | rsavu | here is my query: ldapsearch -H "ldaps://ldapserver" -b "" -s base -Omaxssf=0 |
| 12:55.57 | amphi | Theodor: top displays as many processes as can be displayed, in the order you choose; htop has a scrollable list, you might find that better |
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| 12:56.27 | Theodor | I see. Thanks amphi. So a "process" is different then a daemon, right? |
| 12:56.39 | azeem | scobby: so it's the same binary all over the place? |
| 12:56.43 | azeem | check its integrity then |
| 12:56.55 | scobby | how? i never done that |
| 12:57.09 | azeem | scobby: debsums, e.g. |
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| 12:57.23 | rsavu | any ideeas? |
| 12:57.53 | scobby | azeem: debsums isnt installed .... |
| 12:57.55 | amphi | Theodor: a daemon is just a process that runs detached from a terminal, and doesn't terminate |
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| 12:58.31 | msk | scobby -> aptitude? |
| 12:58.32 | azeem | scobby: for help on how to install a package, ask #ubuntu |
| 12:58.54 | azeem | scobby: for somebody soliciting support in the wrong chan, you're not very cooperative or self-researching |
| 12:59.20 | scobby | azeem: i know how to install package, using linux since i can think. i cant install package with errors in dpkg, you should know that ;-) |
| 12:59.54 | azeem | scobby: you talked about dpkg-reconfigure, not dpkg so far |
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| 13:00.25 | scobby | apt-get install g++ even dont work. i think the apt libary is corruptet or somethink |
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| 13:00.38 | azeem | ... |
| 13:00.55 | azeem | so reinstall if you cannot fix it up yourself |
| 13:01.08 | Theodor | azeem, your name is arabic right? |
| 13:01.08 | scobby | ok i debootstap another ubuntu.... |
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| 13:01.22 | azeem | Theodor: my nick |
| 13:01.23 | azeem | is |
| 13:01.24 | XoX | anyone know what kmem is ? |
| 13:01.34 | Theodor | sorry, yes. |
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| 13:01.51 | scobby | kernel memory thing ... somethink from the kernel to mananger memory .... |
| 13:02.07 | scobby | XoX: i men kmem |
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| 13:02.43 | msk | ok, i have one stupid question: what can prevent gecko browsers from loading websites? |
| 13:02.59 | abrotman | do other browsers load it? |
| 13:03.20 | msk | on debian of course - xfce4... lenny - well, konqueror does |
| 13:03.22 | XoX | scobby is it osbsolete |
| 13:03.25 | XoX | i dont have it |
| 13:03.36 | scobby | XoX: i dont know |
| 13:03.55 | abrotman | msk: does it find the website and just fail to load it? |
| 13:04.27 | azeem | XoX: why do you think you need it? |
| 13:04.39 | azeem | msk: maybe you accidently have a proxy set |
| 13:04.59 | msk | it fails to load it (just like it would be firewalled, but it isnt, im "almost" sure of it) |
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| 13:05.09 | msk | it never resolves ip |
| 13:05.36 | azeem | msk: then enter the ip directly in the url bar |
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| 13:06.11 | msk | doesnt work either - tried that |
| 13:06.25 | msk | i ment its like... like no dns was found |
| 13:06.38 | darx | how can i monitor disk IO? |
| 13:06.38 | msk | like no network device was found ;) |
| 13:06.48 | azeem | if you enter the IP directly and it does not work, it's not a DNS problem |
| 13:07.00 | azeem | msk: did you check the proxy setting? |
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| 13:07.55 | msk | I know its not, cause konq. works ;) but it looks like the gecko would be on separate no network machine... - i have no proxy and no proxy is set in the browser |
| 13:08.16 | darx | is there something like top for IO monitoring? |
| 13:08.36 | azeem | msk: eh, konq and gecko have different proxy settings |
| 13:08.41 | msk | i know |
| 13:08.54 | azeem | so your statement "I know its not, cause konq. works" doesn't make sense |
| 13:08.55 | msk | i checked on every place i heard of ;) |
| 13:09.04 | msk | it was about dns |
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| 13:09.11 | azeem | 14:05 < azeem> if you enter the IP directly and it does not work, it's not a DNS problem |
| 13:09.11 | abrotman | msk: you tried iceweasel and epiphany ? |
| 13:09.30 | msk | yep - no progress with either of 'em |
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| 13:09.46 | azeem | msk: which version of debian? |
| 13:09.47 | abrotman | msk: do any websites load? at all ? |
| 13:10.01 | abrotman | darx: diskio ? |
| 13:10.44 | msk | maybe some missing lib? they do work, and dont crash... but maybe? - debian 4.0 Etch upgraded to testing "lenny/sid" |
| 13:10.56 | azeem | 14:08 < abrotman> msk: do any websites load? at all ? |
| 13:11.07 | msk | abrotman: not at gecko browsers, at konqueror yes |
| 13:11.24 | abrotman | msk: have you tried loading failsafe mode? without plugins? new user? new profile? |
| 13:12.00 | msk | without plugins... on fx? |
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| 13:12.26 | msk | i have no plugins whatsoever atm - i just installed barebone debian yesterday ;) |
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| 13:12.40 | msk | after some long long time |
| 13:12.52 | abrotman | did it work yesterday? |
| 13:13.02 | msk | it didnt work from the start |
| 13:13.20 | msk | so im starting to think that maybe some lost lib or sth is missing |
| 13:14.02 | msk | but its not *that* missed, cause the browsers do start and work as they should. just load no pages at all |
| 13:14.09 | abrotman | msk: does epiphany-webkit work ? |
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| 13:14.35 | abrotman | in lenny/sid there is both epiphany-gecko and epiphany-webkit |
| 13:15.09 | msk | hm, didnt check the webkit - i'll do so in a moment - just let mi log into debian again ;) |
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| 13:15.50 | msk | be back in few... in a few. ;) |
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| 13:20.15 | enouf | madclicker: make any progress? (just curious) |
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| 13:22.26 | bougi | hello, I have a debian - mysql problem http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?117,199535,199535#msg-199535 If you have any ideas let me know |
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| 13:24.27 | abrotman | bougi: tried #mysql ? |
| 13:24.42 | abrotman | bougi: does the debian package mysql still start? |
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| 13:28.00 | eps | I cannot work out what package I need to install to allow me to share a cups printer via gnome? |
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| 13:28.29 | maaaatteo | hi there! i've just installed the base system debian etch from miimal cd, but can't find lspci (bash: command not found). i'm root. and already installed libdiscover and discover-data. where am i wrong? |
| 13:28.43 | eps | aptitude install lspci |
| 13:28.53 | eps | or not :/ |
| 13:28.56 | abrotman | pciutils |
| 13:29.04 | eps | pciutils |
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| 13:29.23 | eps | else it is stored usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/mipsel/cobalt/info/lspci |
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| 13:29.59 | abrotman | but not mipsel ? |
| 13:30.03 | HSorgYves | morning, what should i check when "shutdown -hH now" only halts on Etch and does not turn off the computer although apm is enabled in the bios? |
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| 13:30.35 | maaaatteo | eps, abrotman: thanks, but "is not available but it referred by another package..".. doh! |
| 13:30.46 | patrick-- | Hey, i've got a Problem with my SVN Server. I've added a reprository but when i try to connect with my Eclipse Subversion Client, i get a "No repository found in xxx" |
| 13:30.50 | abrotman | maaaatteo: do you have http sources? |
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| 13:31.13 | maaaatteo | abrotman: no just from cd :/ |
| 13:31.15 | abrotman | HSorgYves: doesn't mean your BIOS has implemented apm correctly .. how old is the machine ? |
| 13:31.22 | abrotman | maaaatteo: can you add http sources? |
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| 13:31.55 | maaaatteo | abrotman: no, i need to have lspci to install properly the driver of the ethernet card! &$%$%!! |
| 13:32.05 | loca|host | how to install X server for Etch ? |
| 13:32.14 | abrotman | loca|host: which WM do you want? |
| 13:32.14 | HSorgYves | abrotman: 4 years |
| 13:32.14 | loca|host | wich one i meant |
| 13:32.22 | loca|host | abrotman, fluxbox |
| 13:32.25 | abrotman | HSorgYves: it's probably acpi |
| 13:32.30 | abrotman | loca|host: aptitude install fluxbox xorg |
| 13:32.40 | loca|host | ok thanks |
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| 13:32.49 | abrotman | loca|host: and xdm/gdm/kdm if you want one of them |
| 13:32.52 | HSorgYves | abrotman: what is probably acpi? |
| 13:33.01 | abrotman | it probably uses acpi .. not apm |
| 13:33.18 | abrotman | and it still doesn't mean it's implemented correctly |
| 13:33.25 | HSorgYves | abrotman: it has both listed in bios |
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| 13:33.32 | loca|host | abrotman, i can use none of them, right ? |
| 13:33.36 | msk | okay, im back and "no" epiphany-webkit doesnt work either |
| 13:33.40 | abrotman | HSorgYves: tried just "poweroff" ? |
| 13:33.46 | abrotman | msk: you can't IRC from debian ? |
| 13:33.48 | HSorgYves | abrotman: ok, that might be the problem, so nothing i can do? |
| 13:33.53 | abrotman | HSorgYves: try acpi ? |
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| 13:34.04 | msk | abrotman: im on debian atm |
| 13:34.08 | abrotman | loca|host: you can .. if you want |
| 13:34.10 | abrotman | msk: ah ok |
| 13:34.12 | HSorgYves | abrotman: trying poweroff first |
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| 13:34.30 | abrotman | msk: aptitude purge iceweasel && aptitude install iceweasel |
| 13:34.35 | bougi | abrotman: yes, the "debian" mysql works just fine... |
| 13:35.01 | abrotman | bougi: then i'd ask #mysql .. sounds like it's looking outside the --prefix for files .. when i'm guessing it shouldn't be |
| 13:35.14 | abrotman | bougi: does that file exist inside the --prefix ? |
| 13:35.33 | abrotman | !kill stitches |
| 13:35.38 | abrotman | that'll work |
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| 13:35.41 | msk | abrotman: any ideas?^^ if its engine independent (and it looks kinda it is) then maybe... maybe ill try to reinstall it ;) |
| 13:36.03 | abrotman | msk: you just said that epiphany-webkit didn't work ? |
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| 13:36.09 | msk | yep |
| 13:36.26 | HSorgYves | abrotman: poweroff not working either, what you mean by "try acpi", putting it in /etc/modules? |
| 13:36.39 | abrotman | HSorgYves: install acpid |
| 13:36.43 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 13:36.43 | dpkg | acpi is, like, Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports |
| 13:37.04 | bougi | abrotman: you mean the socket file? |
| 13:37.15 | HSorgYves | abrotman: thx |
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| 13:37.24 | abrotman | msk: see which dependencies are in common between epiphany(webkit|gecko) and iceweasel .. maybe |
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| 13:38.05 | abrotman | bougi: /usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.sys .... |
| 13:38.13 | abrotman | bougi: where is it getting the --skip-bdb from? |
| 13:38.47 | sChaaa | hola ! |
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| 13:45.25 | Nazcafan_ | hi |
| 13:45.48 | Nazcafan_ | I have been running the same testing for more than 3 years on my computer |
| 13:46.03 | HSorgYves | abrotman: working now, thx |
| 13:46.06 | Nazcafan_ | and the used disk space is getting bigger and bigger |
| 13:46.18 | abrotman | HSorgYves: The trees thank you! |
| 13:46.23 | eps | Nazcafan_, aptitude --auto-clean |
| 13:46.25 | Nazcafan_ | I think this is because apt won't uninstall old versions of libraires |
| 13:46.31 | Nazcafan_ | eps: I'll try that |
| 13:46.44 | eps | it should remove several gig for you |
| 13:47.27 | Nazcafan_ | eps: shouldn't there be a command in the middle ? |
| 13:47.30 | eps | (every package apt downloads it stores in /var/cache/apt/archive after awhile these really start to mount up, auto-clean will remove every package that you downloaded over 30 days ago) |
| 13:47.33 | Nazcafan_ | aptitude install ? |
| 13:47.34 | abrotman | middle of what? |
| 13:47.46 | abrotman | Nazcafan_: no .. aptitude clean removes cached packages from your system |
| 13:47.50 | eps | aptitude autoclean |
| 13:47.55 | eps | no - sorry |
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| 13:48.33 | Glock7 | anyone know which repo has linux-headers-2.6.21.4 |
| 13:48.38 | eps | usually what you dl in the last month or so isn't much and it can be handy if you need to reinstall stuff and you are on slow internet |
| 13:48.41 | Nazcafan_ | I need to get rig of the old (unused) versions of libraries and programs |
| 13:48.46 | Nazcafan_ | s/rig/rid |
| 13:48.50 | abrotman | !tell Nazcafan_ about deborphan |
| 13:48.53 | eps | Nazcafan_, use aptitude instead |
| 13:49.00 | eps | aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 13:49.01 | abrotman | Glock7: none .. that version isn't in debian |
| 13:49.08 | eps | will remove all unused packages |
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| 13:49.29 | Nazcafan_ | eps: but will it remove says, gcc 3.2, 3.3 etc ? |
| 13:49.40 | Nazcafan_ | I am fine with 4.x |
| 13:49.41 | abrotman | do you compile stuff with those? |
| 13:49.47 | Nazcafan_ | abrotman: not anymore |
| 13:49.54 | Nazcafan_ | I always use the latest version |
| 13:49.59 | abrotman | Nazcafan_: remove them? |
| 13:50.05 | Nazcafan_ | abrotman: manually ? |
| 13:50.24 | eps | Nazcafan_, I usually just go through synaptic and remove things I know aren't useful, then just run aptitude which then cleans out the unneed libraries |
| 13:50.28 | abrotman | Nazcafan_: perhaps it's time for you to `dpkg -l > installed.txt` .. and look at them and remove what you don't use |
| 13:51.03 | Nazcafan_ | eps: I'll use the manual way, then |
| 13:51.35 | abrotman | Nazcafan_: another thing you might want to look at is removing old/unused kernels |
| 13:52.06 | Nazcafan_ | abrotman: already done, I usually keep two versions just in case |
| 13:52.11 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 13:52.36 | Nazcafan_ | but 3.5 years with a testing distro might be a little too long |
| 13:52.43 | Nazcafan_ | I am thinking about reinstalling |
| 13:53.03 | abrotman | why? |
| 13:54.23 | eps | I'm still using the same 'install' that I started with in 02 :P |
| 13:54.28 | eps | at that time it was mandrake |
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| 13:54.46 | Nazcafan_ | eps: you are using a mandrake Oo ? |
| 13:55.17 | eps | Nazcafan_, I was in 02, since then this 'install' has been moved to debian, then to ubuntu, and back to debian again |
| 13:55.35 | Nazcafan_ | eps: what is an "install" for you ? |
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| 13:56.23 | eps | well I'm pretty sure that in six years no original packages still exist, and config file wise a lot of it has been refreshed over the years with updates |
| 13:57.11 | Nazcafan_ | eps: but I guess you formatted the root partition when you went from mandrake to debian, right ? |
| 13:57.12 | azeem | are you saying you installed Debian *over* Mandrake without wiping the partition first? |
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| 13:57.34 | Nazcafan_ | azeem: you converge |
| 13:57.38 | Nazcafan_ | azeem: with me |
| 13:57.40 | Caelum | azeem: I remember a howto from like 7 years back about installing Debian over RedHat |
| 13:57.52 | eps | azeem, heh, please be kind, I was a complete unix newbie eight years ago :P |
| 13:58.01 | eps | yeah, it was around that time |
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| 13:58.12 | azeem | eps: well, your configuration is not supported |
| 13:58.13 | abrotman | Caelum: debtakeover |
| 13:58.49 | eps | azeem, haha oh I'm not here for help, I'm helping some one else - and he was complaining that three years of testing would make his box a mess... I was adding a frame of reference :P |
| 13:58.54 | Caelum | heh, awesome |
| 13:58.57 | azeem | oh my |
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| 14:00.27 | eps | I found a cups bug just before that was caused by my switch to and from ubuntu in 06 just before - had to purge all of cups and put it back in - fixed it nicely :D |
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| 14:01.37 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 14:01.39 | guerby | hi, I have debian etch (2.6.18-6 kernel) running on a phenom+790fx chipset but it's not stable, is there a repo I can set with more recent kernels? |
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| 14:01.58 | Ace2016 | i need help installing my grub, its giving me errors, i'm following this guide http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/ |
| 14:02.03 | guerby | (my bios is the latest, I used noapic nolapic pci=nomsi ) |
| 14:02.12 | Ace2016 | setup (hd0) gives the following error Error 12: Invalid device requested |
| 14:02.20 | eps | guerby, aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-1 -t unstable |
| 14:02.25 | guerby | eps, thx |
| 14:02.45 | Eulex | eps, emh, you're assuming that he has unstable sources. |
| 14:02.52 | wols | Ace2016: fdisk -l and your device.map please |
| 14:03.10 | Eulex | guerby, I'd recommend a 2.6.22 kernel from backports.org (if 2.6.22 is enough) |
| 14:03.20 | wols | !tell guerby about backports |
| 14:03.42 | eps | Eulex, pretty sure even if you don't specify unstable is still available - has worked for me in the past |
| 14:03.48 | azeem | eps: eh, wtf |
| 14:03.53 | Ace2016 | i just moved my partitions about a bit, i coppied /boot from sda3 to sdb2 so i need to tell grub to start using sdb2 from now on as sda3 is going to get wiped, vista restored and the system sent for repair, and sdb taken out |
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| 14:03.55 | guerby | eps, fyi Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-2.6.24-1" |
| 14:03.57 | azeem | eps: don't tell people to blindly install random unstable packages |
| 14:04.02 | guerby | Eulex, I'm trying |
| 14:04.04 | Eulex | eps, then you had unstable sources in your sources.list. |
| 14:04.05 | guerby | wols, thx |
| 14:04.13 | abrotman | guerby: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 14:04.19 | abrotman | guerby: read the instructions there |
| 14:04.22 | guerby | azeem, it's fine with me, can't be worse than current :) |
| 14:04.25 | eps | Eulex, must have, my mistake - guerby do you know which kernel you need to use to fix your issue? |
| 14:04.37 | Ace2016 | wols: what is the device.map? |
| 14:04.39 | guerby | eps, no but I know the current one isn't stable |
| 14:04.46 | wols | Ace2016: a file |
| 14:04.49 | guerby | eps, I'm willing to try others :) |
| 14:04.54 | abrotman | guerby: see what the bot tells you .. /msg dpkg bpo .. read the instructions |
| 14:04.55 | Ace2016 | where is it found? |
| 14:05.00 | eps | guerby, then you should probably work out if it is kernel related first before slapping in new kernels |
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| 14:05.31 | guerby | eps, got a backtrace in console but it I couldn't scroll to see the beginning |
| 14:05.43 | guerby | likely kernel |
| 14:06.06 | eps | guerby, then I would recommend what Eulex said and grab 22 from backports :P |
| 14:06.16 | guerby | eps, ok |
| 14:06.57 | Caelum | huh, a bunch of my programs are segfaulting on exit, do I need to reboot or something? |
| 14:07.05 | Ace2016 | wols: here it is http://pastebin.com/m60626988 |
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| 14:07.45 | wols | Ace2016: chrooted? bindmount for /dev and /proc done? |
| 14:07.59 | Ace2016 | nope not chrooted, i'm using my normal linux now |
| 14:09.45 | Ace2016 | what happened is i coppied /boot from /dev/sda3 to /dev/sdb2 from within gparted live cd. Then i booted back into debian sid, and unmounted /boot (sda3) then updated fstab with swap and boot locations, then re-mounted /boot (sdb2) |
| 14:10.37 | guerby | eps, rebooting ... |
| 14:11.10 | wols | Ace2016: try grub-install |
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| 14:13.06 | Ace2016 | wols: it gives this error http://pastebin.com/m5eebe564 |
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| 14:13.45 | Ace2016 | my /boot is on an ext3 partition |
| 14:13.58 | Ace2016 | my / and /home are XFS paritions |
| 14:14.24 | wols | Ace2016: so? |
| 14:14.32 | wols | Ace2016: there are no errors reported |
| 14:14.33 | guerby | eps, rebooted fine, now let's wait and see :) BTW, do you know if the etch 4.0r3 sky2 network issue is fixed? (I disabled the integrated sky2 NIC in the BIOS since etch couldn't make it work properly) |
| 14:14.52 | Ace2016 | brb |
| 14:15.18 | Ace2016 | ok back |
| 14:15.29 | abrotman | guerby: that's a kernel question .. is it fixed in the .22 you just installed? |
| 14:15.40 | Ace2016 | so is it using the new /boot partition or the old one? |
| 14:16.11 | Ace2016 | wols: oh wait i never updated anything in /boot/grub, do i have to update the menulist? |
| 14:16.20 | guerby | abrotman, I don't know unfortunately, I just noticed that my sky2 problem is documented in the etch 4.0r3 errata and that the debian report on it are still opened |
| 14:16.21 | Arelist | Is there something like sandboxie for linux? (running a browser in 'sandboxed' mode so people can't touch your private settings - optionally password protected) |
| 14:16.33 | abrotman | guerby: well . you can certainly try it |
| 14:16.46 | guerby | abrotman, I'll try to reenable it, thx for your advice |
| 14:17.20 | guerby | thx all for helping the GCC compile farm, http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm |
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| 14:18.29 | abrotman | do they grow corn? |
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| 14:18.53 | Ace2016 | brb, let me see if it boots ok, i'll test it |
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| 14:23.59 | msk | okay... nothing new here. the two and only working browsers are still links2 and konqueror^^ |
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| 14:25.17 | abrotman | msk: and you've checked the BTS? |
| 14:25.31 | msk | epiphany, iceape, iceweasel, firefox... maybe in kde or xfce theres some... i dont know - some sort of setting letting only one browser at a time being set as the "active" one and the rest is innactive/blocked/firewalled? |
| 14:25.43 | azeem | msk: if you start them from a terminal, is there any error output? |
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| 14:26.50 | msk | azeem: no output with iceweasel |
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| 14:34.20 | msk | hm (epiphany-browser:4220): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Failed to create service browser: Bad state |
| 14:35.06 | msk | and then link_message, open_url, title, visibility and destroy-browser - "is invalid for instance" |
| 14:35.32 | msk | net-stop and size-to also |
| 14:36.05 | msk | tried to update glib, but i think its not it ;) |
| 14:36.16 | msk | cause its already updated |
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| 14:37.50 | msk | well... if thats how debian wants it - let him have it. it is a start of a great war, and my victory is near - few more battles... |
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| 14:39.58 | msk | thanks for trying ;) i'm sure its something stupid. and i'll stand there with "why didnt i thought about it before" look on my face ;] |
| 14:41.15 | azeem | msk: did you try with another user as abrotman suggested? |
| 14:41.27 | msk | yup, the same |
| 14:41.40 | torrr | can someone lift the ban on opera? |
| 14:41.42 | msk | as root - the same, as a new user - same |
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| 14:42.01 | azeem | torrr: why? |
| 14:42.21 | msk | purged and reinstalled - still not working... |
| 14:42.33 | msk | but i have faith ;) |
| 14:42.36 | torrr | because it bans the opera IRC client |
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| 14:43.16 | torrr | thanks azeem |
| 14:43.17 | azeem | torrr: can't people change the default ident? |
| 14:43.47 | torrr | azeem, I have a nickname there, but still I was banned |
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| 14:44.05 | torrr | I'll connect see |
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| 14:44.34 | torr | here |
| 14:44.40 | torr | azeem |
| 14:44.50 | azeem | no opera ident |
| 14:44.55 | sordith | torr: whats your debian related problem when i may ask? :-) |
| 14:45.10 | torrr | before what you did I was banned |
| 14:45.21 | sordith | oh |
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| 14:46.44 | sordith | torr: maybe there was a person who was causing trouble who had a similar ident/host combination |
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| 14:48.10 | sordith | torrrggggggg: how is the Free Software scene in Israel doing btw? |
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| 14:48.49 | torrr | I think I had the problem with torrrggggggg |
| 14:48.59 | azeem | that's more likely |
| 14:49.10 | torrr | that has n=opera@ |
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| 14:49.42 | torrr | sordith, I don't know |
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| 14:50.32 | torr | sordith: I need a recursive inotify |
| 14:50.55 | mandel | Hi, I fail to get flash for iceweasel working. "about:plugins" tells me "application/x-shockwave-flash Flash Plugin swf Yes"; but youtube etc. still tell me that no flash is available. Any ideas? |
| 14:51.33 | sordith | torr: i am not sure if that is possible, maybe you can work around the problem by using rlocate |
| 14:52.53 | valdyn | mandel: how did you install flash? |
| 14:53.57 | sordith | mandel: maybe this wiki article helps you: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 14:55.41 | mandel | valdyn, I used synaptic to install "libflash-mozplugin" ("libflash-swfplayer", too) |
| 14:55.47 | micols | anybody having issues with copy/paste in flash 9 linux? |
| 14:55.48 | mandel | solid_liq, ok, I will have a look |
| 14:55.58 | micols | i had this issue for a long time, i tried all beta versions too |
| 14:56.00 | micols | r64 etc |
| 14:56.06 | valdyn | mandel: thats not flash, thats a free swf player |
| 14:56.30 | mandel | valdyn, shouldn't matter :) |
| 14:56.37 | valdyn | mandel: but it does. |
| 14:56.50 | mandel | it does? |
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| 14:57.09 | valdyn | mandel: it just doesnt have the features you need, use the non-free flash player from adobe, see the wiki you have been pointed to |
| 14:57.58 | mandel | sordith, I know that site; but "flashplugin-nonfree" doesn't seem to exist. (I have "deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian testing main contrib non-free restricted" in my sources.list) |
| 14:58.18 | valdyn | mandel: why didnt you read the wiki? |
| 14:58.26 | sordith | debian-unofficial.org is no official debian repository |
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| 14:59.22 | deconvolution | hello, does anyone know whether the problem of the very low microphone volume in HDA sound card has been solved? I searched couple of pages but still not find a solution |
| 14:59.25 | mandel | sordith, I thought it was needed for nonfree stuff. |
| 14:59.38 | mandel | valdyn, you mean the backport stuff? |
| 14:59.43 | amphi | deconvolution: enabling mic boost doesn't fix it? |
| 14:59.52 | valdyn | mandel: the stuff that concerns you |
| 14:59.55 | sordith | mandel: not at all, inside the debian repository exist "main contrib non-free" |
| 15:00.04 | deconvolution | amphi: I put the boost to the max but still extremely low |
| 15:00.09 | mandel | sordith, ok, I didn't know |
| 15:00.11 | valdyn | mandel: i can hardly know which debian release you are using |
| 15:00.17 | amphi | deconvolution: I haven't used my mic at all |
| 15:00.21 | mandel | valdyn, testing |
| 15:00.31 | valdyn | mandel: then read the part about testing in the wiki |
| 15:00.49 | amphi | deconvolution: are you using the internal mic? |
| 15:00.50 | valdyn | <- Mr obvious |
| 15:00.53 | deconvolution | amphi, sometimes I use voip to talk. This problem is really annoying |
| 15:01.01 | deconvolution | amphi, nope, an external one |
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| 15:08.55 | fasta | Is there a Debian (Testing) kernel that doesn't contain the local root exploit leak? |
| 15:09.00 | enouf | wols: or anyone - i (and some others) have been googling around for more info concerning that USB Flash drive issue of Faulty Size and "loop" writing and destroying data, etc, i cannot seem to find anything about it, except from what this site http://www.heise.de/software/download/h2testw/50539 and perhaps one other says |
| 15:09.19 | enouf | fasta: the newer ones |
| 15:09.39 | fasta | enouf: >2.6.24.1, but I don't see one. |
| 15:09.57 | enouf | fasta: no, the .22 has been patched |
| 15:10.14 | enouf | i think from .22-3 onwards, or is it -6 |
| 15:10.24 | enouf | see the changelogs |
| 15:10.52 | mandel | sordith, valdyn: It works now. libflash-mozplugin just seemed to be the right package at the beginning. So I thought the nonfree plugin was old. |
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| 15:10.56 | mandel | Anyway, thanks. |
| 15:10.59 | mandel | :) |
| 15:10.59 | abrotman | fasta: yes .. the -3- |
| 15:12.47 | enouf | abrotman: if someone has already a testing kernel, shouldn't an update and an upgrade take care of it? (considering security.debian.org in sources.list is appropriate) .. or is a dist-upgrade needed, or none of the above? ;-) |
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| 15:13.13 | Glock7 | anyone know where i can download linux-header-generic? |
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| 15:13.24 | enouf | Glock7: try #ubuntu |
| 15:13.26 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. they'd need security sources |
| 15:13.51 | enouf | s/sources/in sources.list ;-) |
| 15:14.01 | abrotman | whatever |
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| 15:14.09 | Glock7 | enouf: ty |
| 15:14.15 | enouf | just clarifying - i had to read it twice |
| 15:14.24 | abrotman | not sure why .. |
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| 15:14.25 | enouf | Glock7: np |
| 15:15.26 | enouf | there is no deb-src .. oh wait, there is a deb-src line in sources.list for security |
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| 15:15.34 | enouf | hrm |
| 15:15.35 | malifal | hello all, I'm running fedora 8 and I would like to switch to debian, but I don't want to lose my logical volums and partions. (especially the home folder) is there a tutorial on how to do the switch without losing the old files or formating? |
| 15:16.04 | enouf | (hasn't even looked in there, in a while ;-)) |
| 15:16.30 | Spida | how does update-initramfs know whehther it should include support for lvm? |
| 15:16.38 | enouf | ugh |
| 15:16.59 | Spida | how to I force update-initramfs to include support for lvm? |
| 15:17.01 | enouf | Spida: man update-initramfs, see the corresponding files |
| 15:17.24 | enouf | you ad the need modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, or thereabouts |
| 15:17.25 | deconvolution | malifal, i am not sure what's your mean of "logical volumes"? are you using lvm? |
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| 15:17.47 | malifal | deconvolution: yes lvm |
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| 15:18.00 | enouf | malifal: it's not going to be easy, so make backups! prior to anything |
| 15:18.00 | Ace2016 | Hi all i'm back |
| 15:18.09 | enouf | eww .. no really make backups\ |
| 15:18.12 | enouf | now* |
| 15:18.22 | Ace2016 | why is windows vista banned on this channel? i tried to ask for help from within vista and it said i was banned |
| 15:18.27 | deconvolution | malifal, i think lvm would write all these information to the disk partitions |
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| 15:18.36 | enouf | Ace2016: what? |
| 15:18.51 | Ace2016 | yea it said you've been banned from #debian |
| 15:18.52 | abrotman | Ace2016: your irc client was? |
| 15:18.58 | Ace2016 | the opera web browser |
| 15:19.05 | abrotman | Ace2016: that's been removed |
| 15:19.11 | Ace2016 | huh? how come? |
| 15:19.15 | enouf | perhaps it's a known exploit |
| 15:19.16 | abrotman | the ban was removed |
| 15:19.24 | enouf | oh, isee, right |
| 15:19.36 | Ace2016 | when was the ban removed? 5min ago? |
| 15:19.38 | enouf | dondelelcaro: had a nice wiping last night ;-) |
| 15:19.48 | malifal | ok, I have 2 harddisks: one is / and the other is /home. If I detach the /home harddisk physically, do the installation, reattach /home will debian see it? |
| 15:19.51 | abrotman | Ace2016: 30 minutes ago maybe ? |
| 15:20.12 | enouf | [09:41:49] Mode change "-b *!?=opera@*" on channel #debian by azeem <-- that? |
| 15:20.28 | deconvolution | malifal, so if your /home lv partition leave unchanged and install/run debian. The new system will continue to use it. |
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| 15:20.46 | Ace2016 | between 14:18 and 15:17 i couldn't login so i guess it probably was that |
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| 15:20.58 | Ace2016 | why was opera banned in the first place? |
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| 15:21.10 | enouf | malifal: yes and no , you might need to manipulate /etc/fstab and grub's files - /boot/grub/device.map and menu.lst come to mind |
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| 15:21.44 | juno122 | Ok 2 question, can anyone here with a Asus P5KSE verify that Debian boots up fine with it? and second question is, if I boot using debian-live, can I just install it on the harddrive from the CD? |
| 15:22.02 | fasta | abrotman, enouf: thanks |
| 15:22.28 | enouf | malifal: and remove/move or symlink your new /home (from new install) to the newly added old /home |
| 15:22.59 | deconvolution | malifal, i dont think you need to physically remove the /home harddisk. just unmount it from fedora 8 and remove it from /etc/fstab before you install |
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| 15:23.23 | juno122 | anyone? :P |
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| 15:25.07 | enouf | juno122: you might need a newer kernel, or just make sure your BIOS has AHCI enabled |
| 15:25.20 | enouf | juno122: i'm talking about Etch |
| 15:25.32 | juno122 | mhm, what about Debian live installing? |
| 15:25.40 | enouf | juno122: i don't know hardly anything about the debian-live cd |
| 15:25.44 | malifal | deconvolution, enouf : ok i'm going to try it now, wish me luck |
| 15:25.46 | enouf | ask in that channel |
| 15:25.51 | juno122 | ok |
| 15:26.02 | enouf | malifal: make backups! |
| 15:26.12 | enouf | !customer |
| 15:26.13 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 15:26.30 | juno122 | enouf, so the last Etch release doesn't boot up without AHCI enabled? |
| 15:26.52 | enouf | juno122: it depends on the ICH and Chipset , got details? |
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| 15:27.15 | juno122 | akh nope |
| 15:27.23 | juno122 | Well I'll see how things go |
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| 15:28.01 | juno122 | How do you upgrade the kernel in Debian though? |
| 15:28.07 | juno122 | does 'dpkg' know? :) |
| 15:28.14 | enouf | and if the CD/DVD drive is Sata or Pata . it's hard make sweeping genral statements |
| 15:28.19 | Spida | enouf: initramfs.conf only takes a list of modules to include... but lvm is not a module |
| 15:28.25 | juno122 | oh no, IDE |
| 15:28.29 | enouf | juno122: yes, dpkg knows |
| 15:28.56 | juno122 | How2use dpkg? :P |
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| 15:29.03 | juno122 | I mean the 'bot' in here |
| 15:29.06 | abrotman | juno122: upgrade from what to what? |
| 15:29.10 | enouf | juno122: well, might need to pass it generic.all_generic_ide=1 (a param like that or similar at install time) |
| 15:29.28 | i_am_ed | silly question time: to delete a file I don't own, is it the write permissions of the file that are important, or the write permissions of the parent directory? |
| 15:29.29 | enouf | oh |
| 15:29.47 | xand | i_am_ed: no 2 |
| 15:29.57 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 15:29.57 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 15:29.58 | enouf | juno122: get specific, try the debian installer - /msg dpkg di and /msg dpkg ig |
| 15:30.03 | i_am_ed | xand: thanks |
| 15:30.21 | i_am_ed | abrotman: cheers |
| 15:30.23 | enouf | Spida: lvm uses dm_mod and such |
| 15:30.39 | juno122 | My plan is kinda like this, install off LiveCD then upgrade kernel and everything else |
| 15:31.14 | enouf | juno122: what's with the livecd? |
| 15:31.27 | juno122 | Well I can take it elsewhere and boot up if needed |
| 15:31.30 | enouf | juno122: are you testing to find bugs? |
| 15:31.34 | juno122 | as a rescue cd or something :) |
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| 15:32.00 | enouf | juno122: grab the Debian Installer is my suggestion - we in here know it pretty well |
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| 15:32.23 | juno122 | Hmm is it on the FTP server? |
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| 15:32.28 | juno122 | the small base installer or something? |
| 15:32.28 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 15:32.29 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 15:32.30 | juno122 | 40 mgs? |
| 15:32.37 | enouf | !tell juno122 -about selftell |
| 15:32.50 | abrotman | juno122: the 150MB one |
| 15:33.46 | juno122 | great! that says all! |
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| 15:37.57 | juno122 | Also, 'dpkg' (the bot) seems like a handy thing! knows all! ^_^ |
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| 15:38.34 | enouf | my, you're a spritely bubbley one ;-) |
| 15:38.50 | embkas | what can I write in /etc/network/interfaces to get knetworkmanager to automatically connect to essid home, with wpa key 12345678? |
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| 15:39.22 | abrotman | man iwconfig ? |
| 15:39.36 | enouf | i think knetworkmanager keeps it's settings elsewhere, like somewhere in ~/.kde/ |
| 15:39.40 | cahoot | if knetworkmanager is anything like networkmanager one should comment out everything bu lo in interfaces |
| 15:39.53 | enouf | look for knetworkmanagerrc |
| 15:40.07 | santiago | hi, can sb plz help me with an nvidia trouble issue.. something strange is happening, after installing the driver i startx and everything seems fine.. after that i close kde and my computer crashes.. when i reset it i can no longer start x due to a fatal io 104 error from the x server.. i can only start x again if i uninstall nvidia driver which takes me to my first scenario without acceleration or reinstalling and using them by that sess |
| 15:40.07 | santiago | only.. for it will crash after shutting kde down... any ideas ?? thanks in advance |
| 15:40.09 | enouf | or just stop using that crap :-P |
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| 15:42.11 | Nyle | Good morning |
| 15:43.50 | wols | enouf: do you speak german? |
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| 15:44.19 | enouf | wols: not at all :-( |
| 15:44.25 | wols | enouf: there are some german news articles I know but no english ones. it could have been a localized problem. e.g. one company affected was hama |
| 15:44.31 | enouf | Nyle: hola |
| 15:44.38 | Nyle | que pasa |
| 15:44.44 | juno122 | zu not zpeak ze german languizj? |
| 15:44.46 | juno122 | :) |
| 15:44.54 | Nyle | thats french |
| 15:45.00 | enouf | wols: right, i was starting to think perhaps more only of an EU issue, or even smaller? thanks |
| 15:45.01 | wols | enouf: Bluemedia, Emtec und Hama |
| 15:45.13 | wols | enouf: those were the repoted brands |
| 15:46.07 | enouf | wols: ok, thanks - now i can follow up perhaps = weird that no english news articles would be printed about it though .. i mean how many people are/were affected by this? |
| 15:46.16 | Nyle | does anyone have cron doing sid upgrades? |
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| 15:46.31 | wols | enouf: the exporter of the faulty sticks for emtec was http://www.starline.hk/ |
| 15:46.47 | enouf | wols: gracias - danke ;-) |
| 15:46.48 | wols | Starline International Group Limited |
| 15:46.50 | Nyle | wait.. |
| 15:47.02 | juno122 | donkie? :D |
| 15:47.04 | Nyle | does anyone have cron doing sid upgrades? is it a good idea to do that? |
| 15:47.10 | liable | Nyle: theres apt-cron if you want to punish yourself |
| 15:47.13 | enouf | juno122: gonads , yes |
| 15:47.20 | liable | not a good idea, no |
| 15:47.36 | juno122 | Actually I have a cousine who's lived in Berlin since she was 3. |
| 15:47.39 | juno122 | She like 20 now |
| 15:47.48 | juno122 | She's* |
| 15:47.54 | liable | Nyle: you get to miss the apt-listbugs thing about libc6 trashing your box |
| 15:47.54 | Nyle | liable: well you can simply dl and not install, so when you get around you can upgrade and see the buglists changelogs etc. |
| 15:48.04 | Nyle | liable: :) |
| 15:48.07 | enouf | Your search - USB Bluemedia Emtec und Hama - did not match any documents. |
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| 15:48.32 | juno122 | enouf, google seems to confirm the USB incident |
| 15:48.39 | Nyle | liable: but it is possible to tell aptitude to upgrade + download packages only |
| 15:48.54 | abrotman | update + download ? |
| 15:48.56 | wols | enouf: Starline International Group Limited |
| 15:49.02 | wols | enouf: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/101833 |
| 15:49.09 | juno122 | ^^ |
| 15:49.31 | enouf | wols: thank you sir |
| 15:49.36 | liable | Nyle: yes it has a download only option, but it kind of defeats the point, if your gonna screw around before you install, there are prolly more new packages ready |
| 15:49.47 | Nyle | abrotman: update of course, but if upgrade isn't specified, is there a way for it see what packages are upgradeable and then odwnload them only |
| 15:50.03 | abrotman | aptitude update && aptitude --download-only upgrade ? |
| 15:50.09 | Nyle | liable: I thought about that too, but sid has timely upgrades twice a day iirc |
| 15:50.19 | abrotman | or --download-only dist-upgrade |
| 15:50.25 | Nyle | oh you CAN specify that with upgrade |
| 15:50.26 | juno122 | ok @ installer I have 3 options: 20070308, 20070308etch2 and current |
| 15:50.29 | Nyle | word |
| 15:50.33 | Nyle | full-upgrade |
| 15:50.43 | abrotman | whichever .. it recognizes both |
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| 15:50.47 | Nyle | yup |
| 15:50.52 | al | hellooo |
| 15:51.02 | juno122 | hello mr Snrub |
| 15:51.14 | Nyle | but its been changed to full now I think it just aliases the other old one |
| 15:51.27 | abrotman | still works .. doesn't matter |
| 15:52.23 | juno122 | Ok I'm lost |
| 15:52.34 | Spida | enouf: these modules are included, but its not enough |
| 15:52.38 | abrotman | juno122: doing what? |
| 15:52.41 | juno122 | on installer-i386/current/images/cdrom I see only a bunch of tar files |
| 15:52.46 | juno122 | I'm looking for the CD rom image |
| 15:52.54 | abrotman | the netinst ? |
| 15:52.56 | wols | !d-i |
| 15:52.56 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 15:52.56 | juno122 | the tar files are no bigger than 9 megs |
| 15:53.18 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:53.29 | abrotman | get the netinst |
| 15:54.06 | enouf | Spida: then learn what is enough |
| 15:54.22 | enouf | Spida: or install the Debian Way [tm] |
| 15:54.25 | Spida | enouf: tahts why I am here |
| 15:54.43 | Spida | enouf: debootstrap is not the Debian Way? |
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| 15:55.06 | al | i am a newcomer, how a find a room without scrolling line by line in the room list? |
| 15:55.07 | enouf | Spida: dude - you never mentioned any details |
| 15:55.20 | enouf | (not that i saw) |
| 15:55.27 | Nyle | al: #help |
| 15:55.36 | Nyle | al: /join #help |
| 15:55.40 | al | #help |
| 15:55.43 | enouf | lol |
| 15:55.47 | abrotman | al: /list |
| 15:55.49 | al | button |
| 15:55.56 | Nyle | al: use /list *pattern |
| 15:56.02 | Nyle | did he just say button |
| 15:56.04 | Nyle | lol |
| 15:56.07 | abrotman | al: what are you looking for? |
| 15:56.09 | enouf | al: /cs list #*keyword |
| 15:56.10 | Spida | enouf: you never asked. |
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| 15:56.23 | Akatemik | Ok, this isn't debian specific, but don't know where to ask: I'm having problems with pipes created with mkfifo |
| 15:56.38 | enouf | Spida: what's your bust size? |
| 15:56.39 | Spida | I installed using debootstrap from a live-cd (grml) |
| 15:56.41 | Nyle | Spida: thats just dumb, you're the one looking for help |
| 15:56.44 | Nyle | enouf: hahaha |
| 15:56.46 | Nyle | chill |
| 15:56.47 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:56.58 | Akatemik | I'm reading with tail -f, sometimes it refreshes in real time, sometimes I have to kill the tail to get anything out of it |
| 15:57.11 | Spida | Nyle: I am not sure what the relevant info is for my problem |
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| 15:57.39 | enouf | you never really defined one -you asked a specific question |
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| 15:57.46 | enouf | and i tried my best to answer |
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| 15:59.07 | al | to find trixbox room a have to scroll all the lines? |
| 15:59.15 | al | how to get there quick |
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| 15:59.28 | abrotman | al: /list *box* |
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| 15:59.35 | al | where |
| 15:59.43 | Nyle | al: how did you get here? |
| 15:59.44 | al | in the channels sreen? |
| 15:59.47 | asg | al: or just /join #trixbox |
| 16:00.16 | al | where i have to type that |
| 16:00.22 | Nyle | j] |
| 16:00.25 | asg | al: in your irc client |
| 16:00.27 | al | in wich field |
| 16:00.33 | al | ok |
| 16:00.34 | asg | al: the one you just typed the above in |
| 16:00.36 | Nyle | where you type normally |
| 16:00.52 | garaguas | after kernel compiling (2.6.24) i can't mount CD's any more, with the error message "mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist" |
| 16:00.59 | Nyle | but how the hell did you get in #debian |
| 16:01.03 | al | normally a go to channels screen and look for the room |
| 16:01.07 | kakashichan | I installed ndiswrapper; the installation went smooth; in the end it said harware found |
| 16:01.08 | garaguas | wich KEY should i re-activate? |
| 16:01.20 | al | ok |
| 16:01.24 | al | ill try |
| 16:01.26 | al | thanks |
| 16:01.29 | kakashichan | but now when I do iwconfig it doesen't have any wireless extensions |
| 16:01.30 | asg | garaguas: try #kernelnewbies or ##kernelnewbies |
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| 16:01.33 | Abdulz | where can i get free dictionary database file for my bot to use? |
| 16:01.42 | garaguas | asg ok |
| 16:01.51 | enouf | garaguas: does sr0 exist? |
| 16:01.55 | kakashichan | it doesent show any wlan0 kind of thing |
| 16:01.58 | asg | garaguas: or #linux or ##linux. KN may have moved |
| 16:02.24 | garaguas | enouf: no |
| 16:02.27 | enouf | asg: and garaguas #kernelnewbies is on oftc.net |
| 16:02.30 | Abdulz | enouf |
| 16:02.37 | enouf | ##kernel is still her, but quiet most times |
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| 16:02.50 | asg | enouf: thanks |
| 16:02.54 | enouf | np |
| 16:03.43 | enouf | garaguas: maybe you're missing support for your drive controller, but that's a guess - coud be anytihng |
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| 16:04.11 | garaguas | enouf: ah ok, i |
| 16:04.15 | enouf | garaguas: you could be missing your whole initrd for all i know (not that one's required in most situations) |
| 16:04.28 | kakashichan | please tell me how do I get the wlan0 ir any wireless extention |
| 16:04.45 | wols | kakashichan: what wlan chip? |
| 16:05.14 | abrotman | kakashichan: and which version of debian? |
| 16:05.29 | kakashichan | debian 4.0 r1 |
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| 16:05.37 | kakashichan | I installed ndiswrapper |
| 16:05.51 | kakashichan | also I put bcm43xx in blacklist |
| 16:05.52 | wols | kakashichan: answer my question please |
| 16:06.12 | juno122 | kakashichan, bcm43xx is going to come in handy with Aircrack |
| 16:06.14 | juno122 | ;) |
| 16:06.14 | kakashichan | the installation of ndiswrapper went smooth |
| 16:06.28 | kakashichan | but now I am not able to get any wireless extentions |
| 16:06.35 | kakashichan | is there a way to find it ? |
| 16:06.48 | wols | kakashichan: ifconfig -a |
| 16:06.55 | wols | what network interfaces? |
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| 16:07.15 | kakashichan | wols, it is broadcom |
| 16:07.23 | MrElendig | !lordoftheping |
| 16:07.32 | juno122 | !lordoftheping |
| 16:07.33 | MrElendig | er.. wrong tab |
| 16:07.34 | juno122 | ? |
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| 16:08.05 | kakashichan | wols,? |
| 16:08.14 | MrElendig | 17:07:49 < phrik> One PING to rule them all, One PING to find them, One PING to bring them all and in the darkness BIND them |
| 16:08.21 | klikklak | has anyone got syncropated to work with a sd card reader? .. it just complains about not finding a music player |
| 16:08.44 | klikklak | I tried adding info from lshal to hal, but I failed |
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| 16:14.37 | santiago | hi there, can sb help me with an nvidia issue ? |
| 16:14.46 | abrotman | just ask |
| 16:15.06 | santiago | ok, here i go |
| 16:15.29 | santiago | i installed the drivers from the nvidia website, and after starting x everything seems fine |
| 16:15.39 | santiago | when y close kde my computer crash |
| 16:15.52 | santiago | after reseting it, i try to startx again |
| 16:16.10 | santiago | and get an error from the X server, io fatal error 104 |
| 16:16.31 | santiago | i can only start x again by reinstalling drivers.. but it will crash after shutting kde down again |
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| 16:17.13 | Abdulz | where can i get free dictionary database file ? max comprehensive? |
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| 16:18.15 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:18.16 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 16:18.25 | abrotman | Abdulz: ispell? aspell ? |
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| 16:19.34 | Abdulz | abrotman KnifeHat dictionary... each line containing. <word> <definition> |
| 16:19.47 | santiago | no im using lenny debian, im installed yesterday for the first time im a bit lost, i do have an old nvidia card |
| 16:19.55 | santiago | how do i use legacy ? |
| 16:20.14 | abrotman | Abdulz: and ? |
| 16:20.27 | Abdulz | nothign else |
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| 16:23.07 | lewq | hey all - i'm getting some weird alsa errors in testing: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (hw:0,0): No such file or directory |
| 16:23.17 | lewq | the device is definitely still there! |
| 16:24.29 | lewq | (and indeed all the files in /dev/snd/* are still there, so i don't know where alsa is looking...) |
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| 16:24.46 | al | hi |
| 16:24.57 | msm | I installed debian with netinst and then using network connection it installed all latest packages. I would like to know what all new stuff it installed and then for future install would like to avoid having to install with network download. so for that if I can copy all the downloaded files to another CD and then with netinst cd I guess I should be able to install a new system with same... |
| 16:24.59 | msm | ...versions as one I installed. any one has idea how to go about this ? |
| 16:25.13 | Spida | I have the dm-crypt, dm-mirror, dm-mod and dm-snapshot modules in my initrd, my hdd is recognized during boot, but my lvm is not. |
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| 16:25.30 | santiago | abrotman, sorry for my being noobie, can you explain me a bit more in detail what i have to do ? im using lenny, not sarge.. i installed the drivers from nvidia website.. but i would like to try them the "debian way" |
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| 16:26.10 | abrotman | santiago: i don't use nvidia binary stuff .. but i think that's currently broken in lenny .. if you've used the one from nvidia.com .. ask #nvidia |
| 16:26.18 | Arelis | how do i compile programs on Debian? |
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| 16:26.33 | Spida | how do I tell update-initramfs to build a initrd with lvm-support? |
| 16:26.46 | doudou | i took a debian iso, extract the initrd, found the init script, change it to echo hello world, remade a initrd with find . | cpio -o > initrd, gzip it , reboot and it says there is no cpio-magic , why how when who? |
| 16:26.47 | abrotman | !b-e Arelis |
| 16:26.47 | dpkg | Arelis: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:26.59 | Abdulz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.02 | santiago | i want to try the way you told me to, i just didnt understand it at al.. specially the legacy part ( i do have geforce 2 ) |
| 16:27.21 | Arelis | abrotman: it's a KDE program |
| 16:27.29 | abrotman | santiago: do you need 3d ? |
| 16:27.37 | abrotman | Arelis: so? install the libraries you need to compile |
| 16:27.46 | Arelis | abrotman: which are? |
| 16:27.56 | santiago | i can live without 3d... buy i would really like to have it |
| 16:27.58 | abrotman | i have no idea which program you're trying to compile |
| 16:28.07 | Spack | Arelis: what is the name of the program |
| 16:28.07 | abrotman | santiago: start with the nv driver |
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| 16:28.08 | Arelis | http://www.kmuddy.com/ <-- a MUD client for KDE |
| 16:28.20 | abrotman | doesn't help me .. |
| 16:28.36 | Arelis | and the .deb on that site doesn't work with Etch |
| 16:28.39 | santiago | abrot, can you suggest me a place for further investigation ? |
| 16:28.45 | abrotman | !nvidia |
| 16:28.45 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 16:28.56 | msm | I would also like to know if there is way I can just know what all packages will xwindows system install. I would like to take that output and then feed it to some program if available on net and download the necessary files a one big chunk. then copy it to cd and use it to install on rest of computers. any ideas ? |
| 16:29.01 | abrotman | Arelis: so read their instructions .. or use one of the other 10 MUD clients in debian already |
| 16:29.17 | lolwhut | has anyone been able to get wine-doors to run under debian etch? |
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| 16:29.23 | abrotman | msm: apt-get --print-uris install xorg |
| 16:29.29 | Arelis | abrotman: which, for kde, then? there's no KDE mud client, and the gnome ones don't give me the option to hide the menu bars and all the other parts |
| 16:29.30 | lolwhut | it dies saying it cant find rsvg |
| 16:29.38 | abrotman | Arelis: MUDs are text .. who cares |
| 16:29.41 | lolwhut | but i have all the rsvg packages installed |
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| 16:30.07 | mortal1 | does anyone know how I might set the action of mc when I click on something within that file manager? |
| 16:30.15 | Arelis | abrotman: the tinyfugue client has redrawing issues. The tintin++ client is very complicated. |
| 16:30.16 | mortal1 | aka where can i set the open with |
| 16:30.40 | abrotman | Arelis: okay .. so compile the one you're trying to .. install the -dev libraries as you need them .. apt-cache search will help |
| 16:30.58 | Dewi | Arelis: use a text-based client like tf5 |
| 16:31.07 | Arelis | Dewi: what's tf5? |
| 16:31.16 | Dewi | Arelis: tinyfugue 5 |
| 16:31.23 | Dewi | Arelis: what do you mean "redrawing issues" ? |
| 16:31.34 | Arelis | Dewi: the prompt redraws very slowly |
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| 16:31.54 | Dewi | Arelis: it has a prompt? |
| 16:32.03 | Arelis | Dewi: the MUD does |
| 16:32.08 | Arelis | !aardwolf |
| 16:32.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aardwolf is the best mud on this plane of reality, aardwolfmud.org 4000 |
| 16:32.18 | Dewi | Arelis: is that the client's fault? |
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| 16:32.32 | Arelis | Dewi: no |
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| 16:34.10 | Dewi | Arelis: anyway if you want to build that other client... just follow the instructions. If it needs a -dev package you don't have, figure out which one and install it, then repeat |
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| 16:34.35 | Dewi | Arelis: there are probably more scientific ways to go about it, but trial and error works too |
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| 16:36.01 | ringo999 | hi, anyone using ifplugd and wpasupplicant? what is the right way to configure it, i found this link but it seems to be outdated: http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html |
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| 16:40.35 | Abdulz | for dictd what is the name of the database that contains the words and definitions ? |
| 16:40.59 | msm_ | abrotman: I see that it gives info of packages but now how to capture that output and then on web feed it and get big single download |
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| 16:41.50 | abrotman | msm_: use wget ? |
| 16:42.53 | msm_ | abrotman: but can I pipe it to wget ? |
| 16:43.15 | msm_ | apt-get --print-uris install xorg | wget |
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| 16:43.44 | abrotman | put in a text file .. then use wget -i (i think that's the flag for an input file) |
| 16:43.49 | msm_ | apt-get --print-uris install xorg > save.list; cat save.list | wget |
| 16:43.52 | wols | !tell msm_ about apt-zip |
| 16:44.05 | Abdulz | for dictd what is the name of the database that contains the words and definitions ? |
| 16:44.08 | Abdulz | wols |
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| 16:46.50 | Placid | Anyone else experiencing issues with the latest synaptics driver in unstable? |
| 16:47.01 | Placid | Issues such as too many events for left-clicking etc? |
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| 16:48.34 | abrotman | !bts |
| 16:48.34 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 16:48.56 | Placid | thanks, abrotman |
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| 16:54.01 | ignu | How can I get Sound Juicer to burn an mp3 to a normal audio |
| 16:54.06 | ignu | CD |
| 16:54.20 | ignu | I installed lame and ripped from CD to mp3 |
| 16:54.23 | jorma | whitch bios hp 6715b got ? |
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| 16:54.59 | ignu | jorma: was that question for me? |
| 16:55.07 | jorma | 4 everybody :) |
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| 16:55.36 | Crak | hi |
| 16:55.36 | ignu | oh, sorry, I thought it may have pertained to my question ... sorry, I don't know the answer for you |
| 16:55.39 | Crak | anyone here using qc-usb? |
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| 17:06.52 | dclarke | my machine ( new install ) boots up until I see "Starting periodic command scheduler: crond." and then it seems to hang. seems to. I can ping the machine but can not telnet nor ssh into it .. any clues what to do ? |
| 17:07.27 | wols | dclarke: lemme guess, sid? |
| 17:07.44 | dclarke | what is "sid" ? |
| 17:07.54 | dclarke | oh .. no .. this is etch |
| 17:08.08 | wols | run single user mode |
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| 17:08.31 | dclarke | how do I boot to single user mode ? |
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| 17:09.27 | dclarke | some option to pass to the kernel at boot time ? |
| 17:09.36 | wols | read you grub menu more carefully |
| 17:09.43 | barque | Hmm just wondering. Does the netinst CD have a emergency shell of sorts that you could use for let's say doing recovery work? |
| 17:09.52 | dclarke | there is no grub here |
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| 17:10.10 | barque | :P |
| 17:10.11 | wols | dclarke: is this debian or not? and what bootloader do you use then? |
| 17:10.21 | wols | barque: it doesn't |
| 17:10.26 | dclarke | debian yes .. arch is ppc |
| 17:10.26 | barque | :( |
| 17:10.27 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 17:10.27 | dpkg | well, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
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| 17:10.40 | msm_ | wols: when I do apt-get --print-uris install xorg I tells about 21MB but with apt-zip-list --medium=/mnt/usbflash --aptgetaction=upgrade --packages=xorg it tells 42mb. I see that there are some additional packages like linux img and lvm added in apt-zip-list method. any thing I can do so that it will act same as what apt-get does ? |
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| 17:11.05 | wols | msm_: what does apt-get upgrade do? |
| 17:11.13 | dclarke | so .. it should just be an option to the kernel at boot time .. like console=ttyPSC0,115200n8 etc |
| 17:11.15 | wols | msm_: what kernel do you run right now? |
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| 17:11.23 | msm_ | wols: I did not do apt-get upgrade. |
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| 17:11.40 | barque | abortman: Not there |
| 17:11.40 | msm_ | wols: I dont want to install so am just checking how much it takes. |
| 17:11.51 | wols | msm_: I don't care what you do or did, I asked you something |
| 17:11.58 | abrotman | barque: what not there? |
| 17:11.59 | msm_ | wols: will it download ? |
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| 17:12.07 | barque | abortman, couldn't find the question |
| 17:12.18 | abrotman | barque: #25? try searching |
| 17:12.38 | wols | dclarke: answer my questions |
| 17:12.48 | dclarke | wols : which one ? |
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| 17:12.57 | wols | all of them |
| 17:12.58 | eistimax64 | i'm looking for the debian package for basic c and pthread posix manpage |
| 17:13.02 | barque | oww case sensative |
| 17:13.05 | eistimax64 | can u help me? |
| 17:13.12 | dclarke | wols : you asked me no question |
| 17:13.13 | wols | !tell eistimax64 about search |
| 17:13.19 | msm_ | wols: yes it list linux image in it |
| 17:13.24 | wols | dclarke: you are wrong. look for the "?" |
| 17:13.31 | wols | msm_: and what kernel version do you run right now? |
| 17:13.35 | xushi | hmm, got a mobo with 2 NICs.. which is better? nvidia nforce 2 controller, or 3com 3c920b-emb ? |
| 17:13.37 | soto | Anyone familiar with httrack? How do I mirror only below a certain directory? -D behaviour is not what I expect. |
| 17:13.51 | wols | xushi: probably the 3COM |
| 17:13.53 | dclarke | wols ... you asked "msm_: what kernel do you run right now?" |
| 17:13.56 | msm_ | wols: 2.6.18-5 |
| 17:14.02 | xushi | thanks.. now to figure out which is which |
| 17:14.07 | wols | msm_: upgrade. you are vulnerable to an exploit |
| 17:14.16 | barque | lol abortman, what you said is basically the opposit of the what the link says :D |
| 17:14.24 | barque | abortman, the links says you CAN use it as rescue |
| 17:14.26 | msm_ | wols: ok |
| 17:14.40 | wols | barque: but not the way you asked |
| 17:14.41 | xsdg | is it possible to input partition sizes in cylinders/sectors using cfdisk? |
| 17:14.47 | abrotman | barque: i didn't say you couldn't |
| 17:14.58 | wols | all you can do is boot a kernel from it. well and the installer with its shell which is very limited |
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| 17:15.11 | dclarke | wols said : dclarke: is this debian or not? and what bootloader do you use then? the answer is debian etch and the bootloader is OpenFirmware |
| 17:15.26 | HSorgYves | permissions on partitions are set by udev on Etch as far as I understood... when I need to modify them for a InnoDB partition, which id should I give the script? |
| 17:15.27 | wols | dclarke: that is not your bootloader |
| 17:15.38 | wols | dclarke: debian doesn't install openfirmware. apple did |
| 17:15.44 | dclarke | wols : well then .. what are you looking for ? |
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| 17:15.53 | al | hello |
| 17:15.54 | wols | dclarke: your bootloader. but nevermind |
| 17:15.54 | xsdg | barque: I very, very strongly suggest the systemrescuecd (sysresccd.org) for that sort of stuff |
| 17:16.13 | barque | xsdg, more tools? |
| 17:16.25 | xsdg | barque: more everything |
| 17:16.34 | barque | but can it install Debian? |
| 17:16.39 | xsdg | barque: no |
| 17:16.41 | dclarke | wols : see http://rafb.net/p/LAtQ1I29.html |
| 17:16.46 | al | hello, who can tell me why i cant enter to the asterisk room? do i need a password? |
| 17:16.51 | xsdg | barque: (well, theoretically, yes, but you don't want to because it'll be painful) |
| 17:16.52 | dclarke | wols : there is no yaboot or grub there |
| 17:16.55 | azeem | al: we cannot tell you |
| 17:17.13 | wols | dclarke: don't tell me openfrimware understands ext2 filesystems on its own |
| 17:17.17 | al | that happens allways |
| 17:17.19 | xsdg | barque: do you want to do "rescue work," or do you want ot install? |
| 17:17.33 | al | but allweays i can login to the debian room |
| 17:17.34 | barque | xsdg, both with no preferrance over the other. |
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| 17:17.46 | dclarke | wols : okay .. I won't tell you that OpenFirmware understands ext3 filesystems on its own |
| 17:17.58 | abrotman | #asterisk is +r |
| 17:17.59 | Crak | anyone using qc-usb? |
| 17:18.02 | azeem | al: you might have to register with nickserv |
| 17:18.02 | wols | dclarke: so how could it load your kernel from disk into memory? |
| 17:18.04 | xsdg | barque: then do one using tools that work for that purpose, then do the other with tools for that purpose |
| 17:18.06 | wols | !tell Crak about anyone |
| 17:18.07 | al | what is that>? |
| 17:18.13 | abrotman | al: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:18.17 | barque | xsdg, I have only 1 blank CD :( |
| 17:18.26 | barque | xsdg, and it's snowing outside. |
| 17:18.27 | dclarke | wols : I fetched the kernel from the network |
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| 17:18.41 | al | wher i do that |
| 17:18.41 | dclarke | wols : sorry .. let me slow down |
| 17:18.45 | abrotman | al: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:18.46 | Crak | thats a module for logitech quickcam |
| 17:18.53 | xsdg | barque: "pick one" |
| 17:18.54 | dclarke | wols : step zero .. power on the machine and see Firmware |
| 17:18.55 | barque | xsdg, and the guy @ the computer store will shoot me... <insert silly reason for not buying blank cd> |
| 17:19.06 | azeem | al: this channel is not for general IRC help, read the manual of your irc client |
| 17:19.08 | Crak | i have a problem using multiple webcams |
| 17:19.08 | dclarke | wols : step 1 issue command ls and see devices |
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| 17:19.15 | xsdg | barque: alternately, you can stick the system rescue cd on a USB device, if your computer can boot off of them |
| 17:19.17 | wols | dclarke: use the kenrel parameter "single" |
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| 17:19.54 | barque | xsdg, fixing computers is my job so... it's not just my own computer. |
| 17:20.03 | dclarke | wols : step 2 issue boot command thus : boot eth:192.168.35.100,kernel_image_file,192.168.35.8,192.168.35.1 kernel_image root=/dev/sda0 console=ttyPSC0,115200n8 |
| 17:20.04 | eistimax64 | posix pthread manpage package ? anyone know? |
| 17:20.13 | xsdg | eistimax64: google |
| 17:20.16 | eistimax64 | lol |
| 17:20.17 | barque | xsdg, before I was using Knoppix, but it has gone outdated for some time and it can't recognize some of the new hardware. |
| 17:20.19 | wols | !tell eistimax64 about search |
| 17:20.33 | barque | hence the Debian switch |
| 17:20.39 | xsdg | barque: I'm am telling you. System Rescue CD 100% |
| 17:20.48 | dclarke | wols : I will place the text string "single" just befor console nad then try again |
| 17:20.50 | wols | barque: fyi a new knoppix is out 5.3. or will be out soon. released on cebit afaik |
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| 17:21.32 | icedtea | if you have newer hardware system rescue cd is good. It doesnt work on my p233mhz |
| 17:21.44 | barque | wow a leap from 5.1.1 to 5.3... it had been a while :/ |
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| 17:21.57 | xushi | ok, now for the ultimate test on the hard drives and controllers.. new mobo/cpu/ram |
| 17:22.38 | xsdg | barque: I booted it on my amd64 machine (it includes both 32-bit and 64-bit kernels), and it detected everything perfectly, in addition to automatically installing the 64-bit module for my nvidia graphics card |
| 17:22.57 | barque | xsdg, which? Knoppix 5.1.1? |
| 17:23.00 | xsdg | barque: it also includes memtest86 and a number of other useful things on the same cd |
| 17:23.05 | xsdg | barque: no... system rescue cd |
| 17:23.11 | barque | xsdg, ahh |
| 17:23.26 | mbroeker | what is the default shell and the default homedir for the system account "nobody" ? ( is it /dev/null and /bin/false )? |
| 17:23.32 | barque | xsdg, just wondering though... those it by the slightest chance ... have X? KDE/GNOME? -_O |
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| 17:23.57 | xsdg | barque: it has X. I'm pretty sure no KDE or GNOME given the image size |
| 17:23.58 | Supaplex | mbroeker: run finger nobody and see |
| 17:24.08 | mbroeker | Supaplex, i have changed it |
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| 17:24.21 | xsdg | ISTR that it uses windowmaker, though I'm not sure specifically what else (I only used the console) |
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| 17:25.13 | Supaplex | mbroeker: well it can't be both. |
| 17:25.23 | mbroeker | Supaplex, http://rafb.net/p/cTNx9Y47.html |
| 17:25.30 | xsdg | barque: also, it runs kernel 2.6.24.2 -- can't get much more recent than that |
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| 17:25.44 | barque | Latest drivers as well? |
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| 17:26.03 | mbroeker | Supaplex, i have a deb which uses the nobody account. and i need to adjust the postrm file in that deb... |
| 17:26.36 | xsdg | barque: look at the website and/or try it |
| 17:26.54 | xsdg | barque: it's amazing; that's all I've got to say |
| 17:26.57 | barque | can you link me again? :P |
| 17:27.06 | xsdg | barque: sysresccd.org |
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| 17:28.18 | Supaplex | mbroeker: nobody on my amd64 box uses /bin/sh |
| 17:28.20 | barque | lol @ Reiser4 |
| 17:28.34 | OBcecado | murderfs |
| 17:28.37 | mbroeker | Supaplex, ok and homedir is /dev/nulll ? |
| 17:28.49 | Supaplex | it's /nonexistant |
| 17:28.51 | dclarke | wols : I added this to the boot command " root=/dev/sda1 Single console=ttyPSC0,115200n8 " and it resulted in no difference .. still stuck looking at crond load |
| 17:28.59 | mbroeker | ahh thx Supaplex that's it |
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| 17:29.19 | xsdg | dclarke: "single" is not capitalized |
| 17:29.28 | dclarke | oh heck |
| 17:29.30 | xsdg | dclarke: also, if you want to stop earlier, try "-b" |
| 17:29.37 | dclarke | -b ? |
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| 17:29.40 | wols | dclarke: boot from a live cd or whatever and remove cron from bootup then try again |
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| 17:29.41 | dclarke | where ? |
| 17:29.42 | xsdg | dclarke: yes, a kernel option |
| 17:29.47 | xsdg | dclarke: on the kernel command line |
| 17:29.49 | dclarke | there is no CDROM |
| 17:29.58 | wols | xsdg: well spotted thanks |
| 17:30.01 | Supaplex | mbroeker: http://rafb.net/p/rAOZ0O26.html |
| 17:30.08 | dclarke | xsdg : I will now short out the reset pins and try again |
| 17:30.22 | Miesco | wols: Why wont nvidia work? |
| 17:31.00 | eistimax64 | /msg dpkg find |
| 17:31.00 | eistimax64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.06 | Miesco | wols: http://pastebin.com/m75dc46e0 |
| 17:31.08 | wols | Miesco: why are you unable to do a proper problem desciption? why are youa sking stupid question? |
| 17:31.11 | mbroeker | Supaplex, thanks a lot. now i can use it without breaking any debian policies... |
| 17:31.35 | Miesco | wols: Sorry :( |
| 17:31.46 | wols | Miesco: what videocard? |
| 17:31.54 | wols | Miesco: and lsmod output |
| 17:32.05 | Miesco | videocard? |
| 17:32.11 | Miesco | wols: DId you read http://pastebin.com/m75dc46e0 |
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| 17:32.19 | Miesco | sorry |
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| 17:32.25 | wols | yes I did |
| 17:32.27 | Miesco | okay 1 sec |
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| 17:32.46 | Miesco | lsmod does not show nvidia until I do modprobe nvidia |
| 17:32.55 | xushi | strange, on a new install, i get "grub loading stage1.5, grup loading, please wait...", and a blinking cursor... |
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| 17:33.29 | Miesco | wols: My videocard is like 5300 I think |
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| 17:33.50 | wols | Miesco: does not exist. try harder |
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| 17:33.55 | wols | Miesco: lspci will tell you |
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| 17:33.59 | Miesco | okay |
| 17:34.14 | Miesco | was close: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| 17:34.39 | Srikar | i am getting grub error |
| 17:34.43 | Srikar | 18 |
| 17:34.46 | wols | Miesco: after you did modprobe run startx again. this time if you get errors: FULL Xorg.0.log |
| 17:35.11 | Ward1983 | if i have vista isntalled on a partition on a fakeraid raid0 array, and i want to isntall debian on a regular partition of one of my regular HD's, in multiboot, is that possible? (im having trouble doiung this with ubuntu so i want to use debian if possible) |
| 17:35.19 | Srikar | Any specialist here to deal wid grub problems??? |
| 17:35.26 | Miesco | There is a xorg log? Okay duh, I just copied and pasted what was on my screen, 1 sec |
| 17:35.52 | xushi | Srikar: no, but i have a grub problem :) |
| 17:36.09 | craigevil | !grub |
| 17:36.09 | dpkg | it has been said that grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors> |
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| 17:37.05 | xushi | yes thank you craigevil, i know what grub is. What i don't know is the cause/fix for the problem |
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| 17:37.41 | Srikar | Guys here is my problem |
| 17:37.45 | Srikar | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=712146 |
| 17:37.53 | Srikar | plzz someone help me |
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| 17:38.04 | craigevil | Srikar: are you running Debian or ubuntu? |
| 17:38.25 | dclarke | gentlemen .. for those that were watching me flail .. the boot command options ( incantation and one dead cat facing east ) was "boot eth:192.168.35.100,kernel_file,192.168.35.8,192.168.35.1 kernel_filename -b single root=/dev/sda1 console=ttyPSC0,115200n8" resulted in "INIT: version 2.86 booting\nGive root password for maintenance\n(or type Control-D to continue):" |
| 17:38.48 | wols | so give the root pw |
| 17:38.55 | dclarke | (none):~# |
| 17:38.58 | dclarke | woo hoo |
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| 17:39.10 | dclarke | Linux (none) 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty #35 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 20:48:16 CET 2006 ppc GNU/Linux |
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| 17:39.32 | Miesco | wols: http://pastebin.com/m691359dc |
| 17:39.35 | dclarke | so now comes the hard work of getting this thing a yaboot or grub bootloader and then getting up to date |
| 17:39.40 | ale666 | how to remove shell access for a user but still keep sftp? thank you. |
| 17:39.49 | Ward1983 | if i have vista isntalled on a partition on a partition of a fakeraid raid0 array, and i want to isntall debian on a regular partition of one of my regular HD's, in multiboot, is that possible? (im having trouble doiung this with ubuntu so i want to use debian if possible) |
| 17:40.24 | Supaplex | dclarke: what kind of goofus kernel version is that with 35 builds? |
| 17:40.25 | dclarke | wols : thank you for thy kindness and patience and now where do I send money ? |
| 17:40.25 | wols | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
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| 17:40.48 | dclarke | Supaplex : the motherboard manufacturer provided it |
| 17:40.51 | wols | !spi |
| 17:40.51 | dpkg | hmm... spi is Software in the Public Interest, the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects, and the home page is http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
| 17:40.52 | Supaplex | Ward1983: possible? yes |
| 17:40.55 | wols | dclarke: there |
| 17:40.57 | liable | dclarke: donate it to freenode or debian |
| 17:41.11 | Miesco | wols: What does it mean? |
| 17:41.16 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, could you explain how? |
| 17:41.25 | wols | dclarke: !spi is a dpkg factoid |
| 17:41.28 | Supaplex | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 17:41.28 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 17:41.32 | wols | dclarke: see what dpkg said |
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| 17:41.51 | wols | dclarke: it's a charity which is kinda legal front of debian. tax deductible |
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| 17:42.10 | dclarke | I'll toss in $25 now |
| 17:42.24 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, and that should work with my existing fakeraid raid0 array? (got grub error 17 because of the fakeraid array) |
| 17:42.49 | Supaplex | Ward1983: the installer isn't going to magically fix preexisting broken things. |
| 17:42.55 | liable | dclarke: thats a good thing ;) |
| 17:43.19 | Supaplex | dclarke: paypal is non-free (har har har) </bad-puns> |
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| 17:43.21 | harmattan | Hi. I am a regular user of stable. I have read a lot about how great testing for a home/hobbyist. Any good page or general rules to follo to change and maintain the distro? |
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| 17:43.25 | Miesco | wols: What do you mean Failed to initialize GLX extension? |
| 17:43.40 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, does the installer work with fakeraid partitions? |
| 17:43.50 | eth01 | paypal, what about paypal |
| 17:43.52 | eth01 | !paypal |
| 17:43.56 | harmattan | s/follo/follow :-) |
| 17:44.06 | eth01 | no contrib on that i c |
| 17:44.07 | Supaplex | Ward1983: fakeraid? hardware wannabe raid? or md/softraid? |
| 17:44.12 | dclarke | I will use snail mail |
| 17:44.25 | dclarke | to Software in the Public Interest, Inc |
| 17:44.41 | dclarke | and also .. if I survive this process .. I'll drop in $250 and blog it |
| 17:44.51 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, the kind of raid that you setup trough your bios, on a controlelr thats not a raid controller |
| 17:44.59 | guerby | hi, on my phenom machine running 2.6.22-4 I have events/0 running at 100% cpu and many process stuck in Dl state, nothing special in kern.log |
| 17:45.11 | wols | Miesco: ls -ls /usr/lib/libGL* |
| 17:45.19 | Supaplex | Ward1983: me? haha. I have no such hardware. I dunno :P try it and see. |
| 17:45.36 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, ok then its not gonna work |
| 17:45.39 | Ward1983 | dont even need to try |
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| 17:45.52 | wols | Ward1983: !dmraid in that case. it's A pita |
| 17:45.55 | gonzaloaf | hi, what do I need to install in order to export mp3 files with audacity? |
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| 17:46.00 | Supaplex | just because I don't know? wth kinda logic is that? |
| 17:46.02 | mmpf | hey guys |
| 17:46.13 | mmpf | how do i install a package (say vim-ruby) without installing all the gui crap |
| 17:46.15 | wols | Supaplex: pre sunday logic |
| 17:46.26 | Supaplex | [bang head here] |
| 17:46.27 | Ward1983 | wols, i can allready mount my fakeraid array with dmraid |
| 17:46.54 | Miesco | wols: http://pastebin.com/ma0bdf31 |
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| 17:47.00 | dclarke | I have hit yet another brick wall ... http://rafb.net/p/4sEvQ342.html |
| 17:47.03 | mmpf | the package seems to be rolled for gvim but i just want the console capabilities or something |
| 17:47.21 | Supaplex | Ward1983: d-i is pretty versitle. I need to blog my results about installing debian in a user-mode-linux env (and zero root access) |
| 17:47.59 | wols | dclarke: "mount" |
| 17:48.31 | dclarke | wols : yes .. it has a USB port and I can use a usb thumbdrive |
| 17:48.44 | Ward1983 | wols, i have no idea how to use dmraid to make grub work with the fakeraid array |
| 17:49.29 | Supaplex | Ward1983: ask #debian-boot wrt d-i. maybe it's autodetected (thus my previous comment about fixing preexisting broken things is slightly misguided) |
| 17:49.39 | Nasra | hello and I have a question...any1 know why am I getting a message saying error reading boot cd...(newbie question)....thanks |
| 17:49.47 | Miesco | wols: Maybe I didn't have the right GL library when I compiled the nvidia-kernel? |
| 17:50.00 | wols | Miesco: why did you compile a nvidia kernel? |
| 17:50.06 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, ok will ask there |
| 17:50.10 | Ward1983 | thanx again |
| 17:50.11 | Miesco | wols: Cause im using lenny |
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| 17:50.26 | drcode | hi all |
| 17:50.30 | wols | dclarke: i mean to run the command and pastebin what it spews out |
| 17:50.39 | drcode | I ask last night about freenx and running one appliction |
| 17:50.51 | Miesco | wols: Well I did the module-assistant thing anyways |
| 17:50.58 | drcode | I test it , but it still run appliction in terminal window |
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| 17:51.13 | drcode | not like in x11 forward, that is run under |
| 17:51.24 | xsdg | what is the partitioning tool that d-i uses? Can it be used from normal Debian? |
| 17:51.36 | msm_ | I am unable to ftp my debain machine. Its 192.168.1.5 and tels connection closed |
| 17:51.52 | msm_ | I have added ALL: LOCAL to my hosts.allow |
| 17:52.00 | drcode | fdisk? |
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| 17:52.03 | Miesco | msm_: nmap the host |
| 17:52.16 | msm_ | miesco: nmap where on debian ? |
| 17:52.17 | xsdg | drcode: no, the debian installer has a graphical partitioning utility |
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| 17:52.35 | xsdg | drcode: (that is, ncurses or similar) |
| 17:52.39 | drcode | k |
| 17:52.57 | Miesco | msm_: Wait nvm, make sure you forward your port 21 if your behind a router or something |
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| 17:53.17 | msm_ | miesco: I am being router. ping works fine. |
| 17:53.28 | msm_ | I have both connected to my isp router |
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| 17:53.43 | Miesco | msm_: Well you got forward port 21 |
| 17:53.50 | msm_ | how ? |
| 17:53.53 | xsdg | wols: any idea? (re the d-i partitioner) |
| 17:54.15 | msm_ | miesco: I am unable to telnet, ftp etc... |
| 17:54.23 | wols | xsdg: use xfdisk |
| 17:54.31 | msm_ | miesco: I cannot connect to my debian box |
| 17:54.39 | Miesco | msm_: hold on, are you telneting in your network |
| 17:54.42 | wols | msm_: what do you use for NAT? |
| 17:54.54 | msm_ | miesco: I can use ssh but point is I am unable to get there |
| 17:54.56 | dclarke | wols : sorry .. I stepped away to make coffee |
| 17:55.03 | Ward1983 | pffffffffffff |
| 17:55.11 | wols | msm_: output of iptables -L and netstat -anp (both as root) |
| 17:55.22 | dclarke | wols :results of the mount command : http://rafb.net/p/lHutKJ20.html |
| 17:55.25 | msm_ | hold on |
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| 17:55.49 | dclarke | oh .. and merely a suggestion .. pastebin is full of javascript and crud .. the rafb.net site is much cleaner |
| 17:55.49 | arcad3 | hi.i hace a debian box ..i want to make it into a router |
| 17:55.50 | wols | dclarke: does /lib/modules exist? |
| 17:55.55 | Ward1983 | this is the problem with linux, no way you're ever getting decent support, unless you have days of time |
| 17:55.57 | arcad3 | any help? |
| 17:56.14 | Ward1983 | im about to throw it out |
| 17:56.15 | wols | arcad3: do you have 2 NICs int hat box? |
| 17:56.18 | dclarke | wols : the directory exists yes .. nothing in it |
| 17:56.20 | msm_ | wols: input/output/chian all are policy accept |
| 17:56.29 | wols | Ward1983: google dmraid debian howto an I'm sure ou will find some |
| 17:56.33 | Supaplex | Ward1983: well, had you "KISS" to start with |
| 17:56.39 | msm_ | wols: I cannot get info out easily since I cannot remote in |
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| 17:56.45 | wols | msm_: pastebin |
| 17:57.00 | dclarke | or rafb.net/paste |
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| 17:57.16 | arcad3 | . |
| 17:57.20 | wols | dclarke: install the kernel you are running right now |
| 17:57.32 | Supaplex | Ward1983: that's what consultants are for. go find one. days of time will be mere hours of time. |
| 17:57.32 | wols | dclarke: with dpkg |
| 17:57.36 | dclarke | wols : I do not understand ... |
| 17:57.43 | msm_ | wols: I cannot get output from debian and paste here. I am chatting using my win box |
| 17:57.47 | dclarke | wols : because I have no network interfaces that seem to work |
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| 17:57.58 | wols | dclarke: you are network booting and you doN't have the kernel>'s modules installed and accessible. install the kernel |
| 17:58.05 | msm_ | wols: input/forward/output all show policy accept |
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| 17:58.23 | wols | msm_: I don't give a fuck. pastebin what I asked or it didn't happen. goodbye |
| 17:58.27 | dclarke | wols : I think I need to bring all that over via a thumbdrive |
| 17:58.36 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, i dunno anyone who uses linux other then myself and the people who i recommended linux |
| 17:58.38 | wols | dclarke: agreed. all you need is the kernel.deb |
| 17:58.39 | Ward1983 | to |
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| 17:58.46 | techouse | eneving |
| 17:58.47 | dclarke | wols : I'll go get it |
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| 17:59.09 | dclarke | wols : one moment please ( insert eleavator music ) |
| 17:59.17 | Quazar | Does anyone know how to update from a tar.gz? |
| 17:59.24 | arcad3 | i have a debian box ..i want to make it into a router |
| 17:59.26 | Quazar | I have a debian package of rails |
| 17:59.29 | wols | Quazar: update WHAT? |
| 17:59.36 | Miesco | wols: Did you give up on me? |
| 17:59.37 | wols | arcad3: I asked you something |
| 17:59.38 | Quazar | wols, i want to update ruby |
| 17:59.44 | techouse | i just migrated from kde to gnome and i'm wondering how to autostart some apps at gnome start? |
| 17:59.49 | Quazar | But its a tar.gz file |
| 18:00.01 | wols | !tell Quazar about backports |
| 18:00.06 | amphi | arcad3: install ipmasq perhaps |
| 18:00.06 | wols | !tell Quazar about simple sid backport |
| 18:00.07 | msm_ | wols: I cannot send you output since my debian is not one with which I am chatting with you. thats the reason I want to get to files on it. |
| 18:00.11 | Supaplex | Ward1983: would it kill you to poke at the installer? :) |
| 18:00.15 | Miesco | techouse: go to session manager or whatever |
| 18:00.21 | arcad3 | wols u pm me? |
| 18:00.25 | arcad3 | i use irssi |
| 18:00.31 | wols | arcad3: no. I asked you if you ahve 2 NICs |
| 18:00.33 | arcad3 | an i installed ipmasq |
| 18:00.35 | arcad3 | yes i do |
| 18:00.38 | wols | arcad3: 2 NICs in that machine |
| 18:00.40 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, which one? |
| 18:00.43 | wols | arcad3: install ipmasq and dnsmasq then |
| 18:00.43 | arcad3 | yes |
| 18:00.48 | Miesco | techouse: Like System>Prefrences>Sessions |
| 18:00.52 | arcad3 | ipmasq was installed |
| 18:00.56 | msm_ | I think some thing to do with hosts.allow |
| 18:00.56 | arcad3 | does his job fine |
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| 18:01.04 | arcad3 | but no internet on client computer |
| 18:01.15 | msm_ | I added entry to hosts.allow does it get picked right away ? |
| 18:01.18 | wols | arcad3: what is the IP on client an dit'S default gatewaqy and DNS server? |
| 18:01.19 | techouse | mesico: lol... so easy haha! |
| 18:01.23 | techouse | tnx! |
| 18:01.30 | drcode | what bandwith I need to x11 forward ? |
| 18:01.30 | Miesco | your welcome |
| 18:01.35 | wols | arcad3: and what is the IP on the debian's internal NIC? |
| 18:01.38 | drcode | adsl can work ok/ |
| 18:01.39 | drcode | ? |
| 18:01.40 | Supaplex | Ward1983: debian-installer |
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| 18:01.53 | x03 | hi |
| 18:01.55 | arcad3 | on client 192.168.234.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.234.1 |
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| 18:02.11 | arcad3 | on debian eth0 my dhcp Ip from isp |
| 18:02.23 | arcad3 | eth1 192.168.234.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:02.32 | Sam36 | howdy |
| 18:02.33 | msm_ | miesco: I added ALL: LOCAL entry to hosts.allow. Now do I need to restart the interface to get it picked up. |
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| 18:02.48 | arcad3 | ipstables -t -nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 18:02.49 | wols | arcad3: and on the client? what IP there? |
| 18:02.56 | arcad3 | should work ... |
| 18:03.02 | arcad3 | 192.168.234.100 |
| 18:03.04 | Sam36 | in debian etch with kde, how do I iceweasel to use my theme? |
| 18:03.11 | Sam36 | I got some gtk stuff installed |
| 18:03.15 | Sam36 | I guess not enough |
| 18:03.37 | Quazar | apt-get update has a whole list of the programs that need to be updated except ruby |
| 18:03.37 | wols | arcad3: and the other things? DNS; default gateway,, etc? |
| 18:03.51 | Quazar | What give |
| 18:03.52 | arcad3 | gateway 192.168.234.1 |
| 18:03.58 | Miesco | msm_: You cant get to your debian machine? Do you know the different between an external and internal IP? |
| 18:04.05 | arcad3 | dns is not configured |
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| 18:04.12 | Supaplex | arcad3: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:04.23 | msm_ | miesco: yes I know some what but ping works ... |
| 18:04.25 | wols | Supaplex: ipmasq sets that by default |
| 18:04.42 | Miesco | msm_: So your in your network? |
| 18:04.42 | wols | arcad3: can you ping 192.168.234.1 from the client? |
| 18:04.55 | Quazar | Any takers? |
| 18:05.09 | wols | Quazar: I already told you what to do. your loss if you don't want to |
| 18:05.10 | arcad3 | yes |
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| 18:05.17 | Supaplex | !tell Quazar about held back |
| 18:05.20 | msm_ | miesco: yes both machine connected to same adsl router |
| 18:05.22 | arcad3 | 1 |
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| 18:05.37 | Miesco | msm_: Why cant you get to the debian machine |
| 18:05.40 | Quazar | Yeah yeah i saw the eggdrops msg |
| 18:05.45 | Quazar | Didnt help much |
| 18:05.52 | msm_ | miesco: same question I ask ... |
| 18:05.57 | wols | arcad3: ping 64.233.187.99 |
| 18:06.09 | msm_ | miesco: may be some thing to do with hosts.allow |
| 18:06.11 | Miesco | msm_: No, why cant you physically |
| 18:06.14 | Supaplex | it's not an eggy :) just call it a bot. heh |
| 18:06.21 | msm_ | miesco: I can... |
| 18:06.31 | msm_ | miesco: I want to get files from it |
| 18:06.31 | Supaplex | Quazar: so, it don't work. details might help us more |
| 18:06.45 | xsdg | How do I get linux to re-read the partition table of a drive? |
| 18:06.48 | msm_ | miesco: I dont want to use usb back and forth |
| 18:06.52 | Quazar | Supaplex, im trying to update ruby and its a tar.gz file |
| 18:06.57 | Quazar | I know how to do it for a .deb file |
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| 18:07.01 | Quazar | But not that |
| 18:07.03 | arcad3 | from client? |
| 18:07.04 | wols | Supaplex: and he doesn't like a simple sid backport |
| 18:07.06 | Miesco | msm_: So you can get output from the computer? |
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| 18:07.11 | arcad3 | no reply |
| 18:07.11 | wols | arcad3: yes from lcient |
| 18:07.23 | wols | arcad3: /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart on debian router |
| 18:07.29 | arcad3 | i use putty now |
| 18:07.41 | arcad3 | when i restart ipmasq i cant connect |
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| 18:07.52 | wols | arcad3: then you misconfigured ipmasqw |
| 18:07.55 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq |
| 18:08.05 | Miesco | msm_: Your just lazy and your computer is 2 stories up |
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| 18:08.10 | msm_ | miesco: that is bit of too much work since I have old machine and my usb is at back of pc and in this pc way its located its pain |
| 18:08.36 | arcad3 | i made a network on slackware |
| 18:08.38 | liable | !customer |
| 18:08.38 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 18:08.47 | arcad3 | and on ubutnu |
| 18:08.51 | Miesco | msm_: Your not making sense, why cant you get the output from the commands wols told you to do? |
| 18:08.53 | arcad3 | but now its not working |
| 18:08.54 | msm_ | miesco: I have trolley with too much stuff on it and then to move it around to go to back and do stuff is what I am after |
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| 18:10.28 | Miesco | wols: What does this mean: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 18:10.56 | arcad3 | wols may i pm u? |
| 18:10.59 | Miesco | wols: 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2008-02-06 18:08 /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 -> libGLcore.so.1.0.8776 |
| 18:11.11 | msm_ | miesco: I am avoiding that. I have the apt-zip-list on them and since I dont want to go back and forth is why I am trying to ftp and get it |
| 18:11.12 | Supaplex | !tell arcad3 about msg |
| 18:11.45 | msm_ | miesco: the output of iptables is 3 lines all similar |
| 18:11.58 | Miesco | msm_: Man, why do you need your pr0n on 2 computers anyways |
| 18:12.25 | wols | arcad3: no |
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| 18:13.48 | Miesco | msm_: Are your trolling me |
| 18:13.57 | msm_ | miesco: nope |
| 18:14.18 | msm_ | miesco: I am surfing net as I am too tired now and might just go sleep |
| 18:15.59 | Miesco | msm_: You seem tired, come back when your brain is rested |
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| 18:16.17 | techouse | how do I remove the computer and home icon on the desktop in gnome? they can't be deleted :P |
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| 18:16.22 | msm_ | miesco: ok thanks. good day |
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| 18:19.24 | cahoot | techouse: gconf-editor seems to offer the option |
| 18:20.11 | cahoot | techouse: gconf-editor->apps->nautilus->desktop |
| 18:20.24 | techouse | will try |
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| 18:20.51 | liable | !tell assasukasse -about away |
| 18:20.55 | liable | bah |
| 18:21.00 | assasukasse | liable: |
| 18:21.02 | assasukasse | i am here |
| 18:21.15 | assasukasse | idle but here |
| 18:21.20 | wols | !tell a133x about away |
| 18:21.20 | assasukasse | how come u see me away? |
| 18:21.22 | liable | !tell a133x about away |
| 18:21.27 | liable | assasukasse: sorry |
| 18:21.38 | liable | assasukasse: nicktab borkage ;) |
| 18:21.43 | techouse | ok...xchat set up |
| 18:21.49 | assasukasse | ahah :D |
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| 18:24.28 | Placid | !bts |
| 18:24.28 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 18:26.41 | Miesco | wols: I told you wrong stuff! |
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| 18:28.15 | kados | so do people who use the 'stable' target generally have held-back packages until you do a dist-upgrade? |
| 18:28.38 | kados | what's the advantage to using 'stable' in place of the specific version name (etch, sarge, etc.) |
| 18:28.43 | Miesco | wols: I gave you the Xorg log from using 'nv', here's the one using 'nvidia' http://pastebin.com/m3ca2977d |
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| 18:33.10 | rahul | !penixstrike martian67 |
| 18:33.10 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking martian67 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:33.11 | rahul | erm |
| 18:33.15 | rahul | martian67: sorry |
| 18:33.19 | martian67 | ... |
| 18:33.27 | rahul | collateral damage :) |
| 18:33.43 | Nyle | !lundstrike rahul |
| 18:33.48 | rahul | heh |
| 18:33.48 | Nyle | haha |
| 18:33.54 | Nyle | I think that translate to cock slappin |
| 18:33.56 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:33.56 | Nyle | nm |
| 18:34.04 | rahul | yeah, pretty much |
| 18:35.25 | Nyle | rahul: ever tried the HURD |
| 18:35.26 | rahul | WOO |
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| 18:35.35 | rahul | mercenary's whole album is available for streaming |
| 18:35.36 | rahul | Nyle: no |
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| 18:35.59 | Nyle | interested at all |
| 18:36.04 | rahul | no |
| 18:36.07 | Nyle | its a nice 'kernel' |
| 18:36.11 | rahul | heh |
| 18:36.15 | Nyle | I like it |
| 18:36.16 | rahul | it's a kernel that runs kernels |
| 18:36.28 | Nyle | heh |
| 18:36.31 | rahul | yay for doubling the number of context swtiches |
| 18:36.38 | rahul | and the number of APIs |
| 18:36.46 | Nyle | shush |
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| 18:37.20 | Nyle | rahul: do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:37.24 | rahul | Nyle: yes |
| 18:37.25 | Nyle | hoooohoooo |
| 18:37.29 | rahul | heh |
| 18:37.55 | rahul | aptitude install moshpit |
| 18:37.55 | Nyle | techno good |
| 18:38.50 | Nyle | Bill Maher - I'm Swiss - google.video |
| 18:39.07 | Nyle | 1 hour long its good comical political commentary |
| 18:39.14 | icedtea | the hurd on l4 looks interesting |
| 18:39.15 | rahul | hmm, I need to find some google video contacts |
| 18:39.21 | Nyle | icedtea: it is |
| 18:39.22 | rahul | we have plenty with aol video |
| 18:39.29 | rahul | oh ho, I have another with aol video |
| 18:39.51 | icedtea | Nyle: is there a channel for that? #hurd-l4 is empty |
| 18:39.57 | Nyle | #HURD |
| 18:39.59 | Nyle | #hurd |
| 18:40.08 | Nyle | for GNU/Hurd |
| 18:40.11 | Nyle | !hurd |
| 18:40.11 | dpkg | it has been said that hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
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| 18:40.36 | icedtea | according to the website there's #hurd-l4 but its empty |
| 18:40.53 | Nyle | hm |
| 18:40.59 | Nyle | tell em that |
| 18:40.59 | icedtea | http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd-l4.html#irc |
| 18:41.00 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 18:41.38 | Nyle | The channel #hurd-l4 is dedicated to the Hurd-on-L4. |
| 18:41.42 | rahul | whoa |
| 18:41.59 | Nyle | The GNU Hurd on top of the L4 microkernel is an on-going effort to port the Hurd system to the L4Ka::Pistachio microkernel. |
| 18:42.15 | rahul | holy riffage |
| 18:42.22 | icedtea | mmm pistachio pudding |
| 18:42.32 | rahul | a microkernel running on a microkernel? |
| 18:42.44 | Nyle | yeh |
| 18:42.44 | rahul | so that's 3 levels of operating systems? |
| 18:42.46 | Nyle | hurd is l33t |
| 18:42.48 | Supaplex | sure why not. uml on uml is fun too |
| 18:42.53 | rahul | heh |
| 18:43.08 | rahul | crashing uml is fun :P |
| 18:43.11 | Supaplex | or maybe I should say uml on uml action ;) |
| 18:43.16 | rahul | uNF |
| 18:43.24 | Nyle | what is uml? |
| 18:43.29 | rahul | !uml |
| 18:43.29 | Supaplex | !uml |
| 18:43.30 | dpkg | from memory, uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 18:43.32 | rahul | heh |
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| 18:43.38 | amphi | 3 levels? |
| 18:43.40 | Nyle | I once got a book on object oriented design concepts |
| 18:43.46 | Nyle | it has a couple of chapters about some uml shit |
| 18:43.48 | Nyle | I cant recall |
| 18:43.52 | icedtea | I doubt its 3 levels |
| 18:44.02 | Nyle | ahh |
| 18:44.03 | Supaplex | Nyle: that uml is most likely user modeling language |
| 18:44.06 | amphi | it's the hurd servers on l4 rather than mach |
| 18:44.15 | Nyle | Supaplex: I see |
| 18:44.21 | Nyle | Supaplex: yes yes I think so |
| 18:44.23 | Supaplex | we're talking about user mode linux. run a linux kernel like a normal binary process |
| 18:44.30 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:44.39 | Nyle | what about a 'universal markup lang" |
| 18:44.41 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:45.16 | Supaplex | yeah. it's called communication |
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| 18:45.52 | rahul | haha |
| 18:45.52 | rahul | "universal" |
| 18:45.55 | rahul | it's modelling |
| 18:45.58 | rahul | and it doesn't work |
| 18:46.03 | Nyle | Unified Marxist Leninist |
| 18:46.03 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:46.07 | Nyle | Universal Markup Language (common, but incorrect) |
| 18:46.10 | Supaplex | it's a fancy rename of "flow chart" |
| 18:46.24 | rahul | yeah, pretty much |
| 18:46.31 | Nyle | yup |
| 18:46.36 | Nyle | thats what the book contained |
| 18:46.44 | Nyle | design concepts, flow charting etc. etc. blah blah |
| 18:46.48 | Nyle | titled uml some shit |
| 18:46.54 | rahul | some shit is right |
| 18:46.55 | Supaplex | Unidentified Macosist Lurks |
| 18:47.03 | Supaplex | (how ever you spell that) |
| 18:47.08 | rahul | Marxist? |
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| 18:47.16 | rahul | Amelda Marcos? |
| 18:47.21 | Nyle | no |
| 18:47.23 | rahul | yes |
| 18:47.23 | Nyle | MAC OS ist |
| 18:47.25 | Nyle | i guess |
| 18:47.28 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 18:47.33 | rahul | I know you don't know |
| 18:47.37 | rahul | gandoo |
| 18:47.40 | Nyle | man shut up |
| 18:47.45 | rahul | ok |
| 18:47.46 | rahul | heh |
| 18:47.50 | Nyle | well at least im not a bondy |
| 18:47.52 | Nyle | ahahaha |
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| 18:48.10 | Nyle | dead saturday |
| 18:48.12 | Supaplex | I can chat with my lips sealed. |
| 18:48.27 | Nyle | "they hate us for our freedom" |
| 18:48.28 | Supaplex | la la la... :P |
| 18:48.34 | Nyle | "they hate us for our freedom" |
| 18:48.36 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:48.39 | Nyle | bill maher kicks ass |
| 18:49.09 | rahul | I think that 32 year old chick at the bar last night kinda liked me |
| 18:49.13 | Supaplex | Nyle: did you hear about what Bush vetoed? (see wikinews) |
| 18:49.13 | rahul | too bad she's not that good looking |
| 18:49.22 | icedtea | I was just going to ask |
| 18:49.28 | Nyle | Supaplex: something about pot? |
| 18:49.33 | rahul | haha |
| 18:49.36 | rahul | maybe |
| 18:49.44 | icedtea | I have a lady friend thats good looking but she has a kid unfortunately |
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| 18:49.48 | Supaplex | Nyle: no, just the peeps that smoke it |
| 18:49.50 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 18:49.56 | Nyle | link me |
| 18:50.04 | rahul | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7285290.stm |
| 18:50.10 | Supaplex | icedtea: you were too fast? ;) hahaa |
| 18:50.16 | rahul | he vetoied a ban against torture |
| 18:50.22 | Nyle | icedtea: my last older woman had a kid 16 years old |
| 18:50.24 | Nyle | :/ |
| 18:50.30 | Supaplex | http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/03/20080308.html |
| 18:50.31 | Nyle | you can find em at walmart, lonely n shit |
| 18:50.36 | Nyle | Supaplex: thanks |
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| 18:50.49 | icedtea | she likes me, but I have dated enough to settle down yet |
| 18:50.53 | rahul | they sell MILFs at walmart these days? |
| 18:50.58 | icedtea | haha |
| 18:51.19 | icedtea | but I havent dated enough |
| 18:51.20 | icedtea | I mean |
| 18:51.21 | rahul | I think someone misread "Milk" when they added the grocery aisle |
| 18:51.22 | Nyle | rahul: if you know which department to find them in |
| 18:51.37 | Nyle | rahul: especially back home in the south |
| 18:51.39 | Supaplex | haha rahul. I'd have to agree |
| 18:51.40 | Nyle | dude ... |
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| 18:51.55 | Nyle | you know what we say |
| 18:51.56 | Nyle | back home |
| 18:52.04 | Nyle | "guns don't kill people" |
| 18:52.05 | Supaplex | Nyle: bong please? |
| 18:52.10 | Supaplex | oh, that. |
| 18:52.11 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out what exact amount of RAM a process uses? |
| 18:52.14 | Nyle | "husbands who come home early from work do" |
| 18:52.22 | craigevil | HardDisk_WP: use top or htop |
| 18:52.26 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: htop |
| 18:52.27 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: exact amount of what type? |
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| 18:52.52 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: which process uses memory that's shared with another process? |
| 18:53.02 | Supaplex | HardDisk_WP: or even ps (the man page is a nice long read. so much stuff in there. it makes ls look like an under developed util) |
| 18:53.05 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: what about mmpapped filed? |
| 18:53.06 | HardDisk_WP | rahul, hmm...it's a PHP CLI program |
| 18:53.08 | rahul | erg |
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| 18:53.15 | rahul | mmapped |
| 18:53.22 | HardDisk_WP | and there are no other php processes running |
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| 18:53.27 | Decepticon | how do i prevent ssh access except from 2 domains/ip addresses and 1 big range of ips |
| 18:53.31 | HardDisk_WP | are there different types of RAM?? |
| 18:53.39 | rahul | there are different ways of allocating RAM |
| 18:53.43 | Supaplex | sudo rm $(which php) ; problem solved. ;) |
| 18:54.09 | icedtea | Dercepticon: hosts.allow/hosts.deny? or iptables? |
| 18:54.23 | icedtea | does ssh use hosts.allow/hosts.deny? |
| 18:54.28 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 18:54.29 | HardDisk_WP | all use |
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| 18:54.39 | HardDisk_WP | hosts.deny is universal for everything |
| 18:55.32 | Supaplex | not for netcat :P |
| 18:55.39 | Supaplex | muhuhaa. |
| 18:55.58 | Decepticon | so where is hosts.allow/hosts.deny |
| 18:56.05 | icedtea | in /etc |
| 18:56.12 | Daveman | Supaplex :p |
| 18:56.23 | icedtea | there's man pages for them |
| 18:56.32 | Decepticon | man hosts? |
| 18:56.39 | icedtea | man hosts.allow |
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| 18:58.46 | pumpkin0 | how can i decompress a z7-file ? |
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| 18:59.07 | icedtea | either putty doesn't like serial consoles or there's something wrong with my settings |
| 18:59.08 | Supaplex | !7zip |
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| 18:59.52 | craigevil | !p7zip |
| 18:59.52 | dpkg | it has been said that p7zip is http://p7zip.sf.net/ or an unofficial port of 7za.exe for POSIX systems available in testing and unstable |
| 19:00.31 | pumpkin0 | craigevil: thanks. |
| 19:00.39 | kjalil | hi, i'm trying to use the lighttpd package, but the version in stable is 1.4.13, and the latest release is 1.4.18 and has a security fix. how do I find out if 1.4.13 has backported the fix? i can't find anything in the changelogs? |
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| 19:02.53 | xand | ok... I have set eth1 (wired interface) to use static settings instead of DHCP, but whenever the cable is unplugged it reverts to using DHCP; how can I prevent this? network-manager is not installed |
| 19:03.09 | icedtea | xand: check out /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:03.17 | xand | icedtea: I know how to configure that |
| 19:03.19 | xand | and it's correct |
| 19:04.15 | icedtea | did you ifdown/ifup the interface? |
| 19:04.35 | icedtea | dhclient might still be running on it |
| 19:04.52 | xand | I have "iface eth1 inet static" and address and netmask lines (no gateway as I don't want it routable) and yes I did that; it has the right IP for a while |
| 19:05.19 | xand | well ok, why is it still running though? |
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| 19:05.36 | icedtea | do you have another interface using dhcp? |
| 19:05.38 | vierka | i need help |
| 19:05.41 | xand | no |
| 19:05.47 | icedtea | otherwise just kill dhclient |
| 19:06.02 | icedtea | ifdown should have done that though |
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| 19:06.14 | vierka | i need help |
| 19:06.21 | icedtea | vierka: ask away |
| 19:06.27 | xand | I did ifdown and up several times, including via /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 19:06.35 | xand | vierka: well ask a question then |
| 19:07.04 | icedtea | xand: very strange. just kill dhclient and you should be ok |
| 19:07.21 | xand | right, thanks |
| 19:07.26 | xand | should have thought of that c.c |
| 19:07.26 | vierka | i don´t know how i install danix |
| 19:07.39 | xand | what's danix? |
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| 19:07.41 | xand | !danix |
| 19:08.03 | xand | vierka: I think you'll have to ask the channel for that distro |
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| 19:09.03 | xand | or install debian instead :P |
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| 19:11.06 | engla | I have a serios problem with sudo. When my net connection was down I couldn't sudo (and couln't run dhclient as a result of that). Got the error message "sudo: unable to resolve host <hostname>" |
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| 19:11.38 | wols | put your hostname in /etc/hosts then |
| 19:11.50 | amphi | engla: you changed your hostname (or perhaps dhclient did)? |
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| 19:12.30 | engla | shouldn't it already be there? why is sudo so vunerable and why is this new? I don't know but right now /etc/hosts has only <hostname>.lan and no mention of <hostname>. But I guess this is a bug or misconf anywhere. |
| 19:12.48 | RabidWeezle | is there a command similar to "pause" in bash? that says like "Please press any key to continue"? |
| 19:13.13 | RabidWeezle | trying to make a script that needs it |
| 19:13.38 | RabidWeezle | pause as in the old dos command |
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| 19:14.27 | netdaemon | i'd imagine whatever bash uses for data input would do just fine |
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| 19:19.55 | icedtea | RabidWeezle: there is but I forget what it is :( there's "read" though |
| 19:20.01 | icedtea | but you have to hit enter |
| 19:20.09 | abrotman | RabidWeezle: ask #bash |
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| 19:22.00 | RabidWeezle | yeah, bash guys knew it, thanks |
| 19:22.14 | RabidWeezle | read -p "Press any key to continue" |
| 19:23.11 | techouse | what's a good sftp gui client for gnome? i used konqueror in kde but here in gnome nautilus can't connect to sftp :P |
| 19:24.33 | RabidWeezle | I use gftp |
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| 19:25.39 | lunaphyte | i've upgraded a computer using testing that hadn't been upgrade in some time, and i'm having problem with ntpd and large clock offsets. what might the problem be? |
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| 19:29.07 | xsdg | RabidWeezle: for future reference, bash's "help" builtin command is your friend |
| 19:29.09 | techouse | gftp pwns me...anything else? |
| 19:29.12 | xsdg | `help read | less` |
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| 19:32.40 | SparFux | Where can I find package libata? I want to hotplug or at least coldplug external SATA device. |
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| 19:34.56 | chosig | what's the difference between php5-sqlite and php5-sqlite3? |
| 19:35.49 | slakmagik | chosig: php5-sqlite is probably sqlite v2 and php5-sqlite3 is sqlite v3 |
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| 19:37.03 | simonrvn | chosig: go for the *3 one |
| 19:37.27 | simonrvn | sqlite3 actually supports the semblance of sql |
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| 19:41.22 | chosig | simonrvn: ok, just asked to be sure... my phpinfo shows that i have sqlite support, but phpbb says that i don't... trying to figure out why |
| 19:41.54 | simonrvn | it's probably looking for the v3 one |
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| 19:43.54 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 19:44.10 | Haris1 | I'm unable to mount cifs/smbfs shares on etch |
| 19:44.14 | simonrvn | ohnoz it's a Haris1 :P. hi there Haris1 |
| 19:44.21 | Haris1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.31 | Haris1 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //proxy/cvs, |
| 19:44.31 | Haris1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.51 | simonrvn | add the codepage maybe? man mount |
| 19:44.58 | Haris1 | codepage? |
| 19:45.13 | petemc | Haris1: have you installed smbfs? |
| 19:45.18 | simonrvn | what charset it's supposed to be mounted as |
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| 19:45.27 | Haris1 | petemc: cat /proc/filesystems tells me cifs is supported out of the box |
| 19:45.34 | petemc | try installing it |
| 19:45.55 | Nyle | !install kde |
| 19:45.55 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 19:46.03 | Haris1 | simonrvn: That's a strange requirements for mounting smb/cifs shares *laugh*? |
| 19:46.06 | Nyle | ahh kdebase |
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| 19:46.39 | Haris1 | petemc: From what I know, smbfs doesn't support large files and cifs does. Will this cause problems? |
| 19:46.43 | petemc | no |
| 19:46.45 | simonrvn | Haris1: it's not *needed*, more like a suggests: =) |
| 19:47.58 | Decepticon | denyhosts and fail2ban are automatic for debian etch, correct? |
| 19:48.06 | Decepticon | set and forget? |
| 19:48.15 | petemc | should be |
| 19:48.18 | Haris1 | works now |
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| 19:53.20 | larsl | Is there a way to fix the NetworkManager so it doesn't kill the internet connection every time network-manager is updated? |
| 19:53.59 | mage__ | !ask > mage__ |
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| 19:55.55 | Nyle | is there a way to only install xorg and not install all those *video* packages it has |
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| 19:56.26 | netdaemon | Nyle, install just the video for your card |
| 19:56.26 | RabidWeezle | I want to make a data cd iso, what tools are out there for that? |
| 19:56.28 | netdaemon | ad xfonts-base |
| 19:56.30 | netdaemon | and* |
| 19:56.34 | Nyle | um |
| 19:56.41 | Nyle | yeh.. explicit dependencies |
| 19:56.46 | netdaemon | for instance...aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 19:56.47 | Nyle | how to bypass them |
| 19:56.48 | RabidWeezle | as in, I am not copying a disk, I am composing a new one |
| 19:56.59 | netdaemon | and all i have is the nv driver :P |
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| 19:57.08 | Nyle | hm |
| 19:57.16 | RabidWeezle | but I'm not going to burn it, I just want the iso for vmware |
| 19:57.18 | netdaemon | and xfonts-base |
| 19:57.18 | Nyle | I am trying to strip this down as much as possible |
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| 19:57.30 | netdaemon | thats the only thing it dosn't pull with it |
| 19:57.40 | Nyle | doesn't sound right |
| 19:57.47 | Nyle | come again |
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| 19:57.59 | Nyle | I don't want ANY of them |
| 19:58.00 | Nyle | actually |
| 19:58.06 | netdaemon | aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv xfonts-base |
| 19:58.07 | netdaemon | :P |
| 19:58.23 | netdaemon | that'll get you a bare bone xorg install |
| 19:58.35 | netdaemon | i think at least vesa is required ._. |
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| 19:59.08 | Nyle | it won't work |
| 19:59.19 | Nyle | wtf are you ona bout |
| 19:59.23 | Nyle | good man you're helping me but you're not right.. imo |
| 19:59.34 | omnil | RabidWeezle: genisoimage |
| 19:59.35 | netdaemon | oh well =\ |
| 19:59.43 | wols | !tell netdaemon about equivs |
| 19:59.56 | RabidWeezle | is genisoimage in X or shell? |
| 19:59.57 | wols | !tell Nyle about equivs |
| 20:00.11 | wols | RabidWeezle: check its depdenncies. shell I think |
| 20:00.20 | netdaemon | ooo neat |
| 20:00.25 | omnil | RabidWeezle: cli |
| 20:00.31 | Nyle | xserver-xorg-video-nv depends xserver-xorg-core. xserver-xorg-core depends on xserver-xorg. xserver-xorg pulls in ALL the video bullshit.. look at its depends |
| 20:00.33 | Supaplex | equivs is a hack :) |
| 20:00.37 | netdaemon | the more i learn about debian the more i'm hooked |
| 20:00.48 | RabidWeezle | I'm looking for something in X cause I'm feeling too lazy lol |
| 20:00.49 | Nyle | i see |
| 20:00.50 | netdaemon | Nyle, you have aptitude set up to accept recommends as important then |
| 20:00.55 | Nyle | yes it is a hack |
| 20:01.06 | netdaemon | or apt |
| 20:01.33 | Nyle | not apt |
| 20:01.35 | Nyle | only aptitude |
| 20:01.40 | Nyle | and I am not using aptitude |
| 20:01.44 | Supaplex | let's call the waaaaaaahmbulance over 10mb of stuff |
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| 20:01.52 | Nyle | Supaplex: shut up |
| 20:01.53 | Nyle | :/ |
| 20:02.05 | Supaplex | I am shut up. I only type now |
| 20:02.09 | Nyle | netdaemon: I will double check though |
| 20:02.16 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:02.38 | netdaemon | Nyle, i have to explecitly set it in apt.conf, i use sid though |
| 20:02.52 | netdaemon | it started pulling recommends a few months ago by default...i didn't like that |
| 20:03.02 | Nyle | I'm upgrading to sid actually today |
| 20:03.13 | netdaemon | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 20:03.18 | Supaplex | but sid isn't an upgrade |
| 20:03.19 | Nyle | netdaemon: yes, thank you |
| 20:03.31 | Nyle | Supaplex: what I just tell you to do ? |
| 20:03.35 | Nyle | ;) |
| 20:03.35 | Supaplex | !sid upgrade |
| 20:03.35 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 20:03.37 | Nyle | shush. |
| 20:03.46 | RabidWeezle | ahh, here we go, isomaster |
| 20:03.47 | netdaemon | i like sid |
| 20:03.47 | Nyle | Supaplex: we're talking about me |
| 20:03.50 | Supaplex | I am shush. I'm only typing :P |
| 20:03.53 | Nyle | not some first timer debian noob |
| 20:03.56 | Nyle | who wants latest apps |
| 20:04.01 | netdaemon | testing never broke, i'm waiting on sid to |
| 20:04.13 | Nyle | netdaemon: in 7 years |
| 20:04.33 | Supaplex | didn't it break last yesterday? |
| 20:04.37 | Nyle | not once on my laptop |
| 20:04.37 | Nyle | well minor breakage |
| 20:04.37 | Nyle | but easily fixed |
| 20:04.37 | Nyle | !enter |
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| 20:04.37 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 20:04.50 | Supaplex | HAHA |
| 20:04.52 | netdaemon | yes minor breakage |
| 20:04.58 | Nyle | Lag: 12.17 |
| 20:05.03 | netdaemon | i'v found work arounds after reading bug reports though |
| 20:05.03 | Nyle | !ping |
| 20:05.03 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:05.08 | Nyle | 15:05 < Nyle> !ping |
| 20:05.11 | Supaplex | !nyle++ it just appears ironic. |
| 20:05.15 | Nyle | oops |
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| 20:05.39 | et | you're 6 hours late ;) |
| 20:05.41 | Supaplex | your four lines unloaded at once, and dpkg caught !enter just as you were booted :P |
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| 20:05.56 | netdaemon | lol |
| 20:06.03 | capiira | hi all i have a dual xeon 64bit, what arch should i download? |
| 20:06.03 | Nyle | Lag: 33.64 |
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| 20:06.13 | netdaemon | Supaplex, i'v had more stability with sid than that popular debian knock off |
| 20:06.30 | Supaplex | naturally :) |
| 20:06.34 | icedtea | capiira: what do you plan to do with it? |
| 20:06.44 | capiira | why ? |
| 20:06.48 | Supaplex | 'wannabe debian' just dun cut it |
| 20:07.00 | netdaemon | i'v never believed in wannabe anything... |
| 20:07.06 | Nyle | good godddamn |
| 20:07.07 | Nyle | you know what |
| 20:07.09 | netdaemon | if its rpm, i go with fedora, deb...i go with deb |
| 20:07.12 | capiira | i plan to do the same as with i386 mostly everything |
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| 20:07.33 | netdaemon | and so one |
| 20:07.34 | ashk4n | hey all |
| 20:07.35 | netdaemon | on* |
| 20:07.36 | capiira | from server stuff to desktop |
| 20:07.44 | ashk4n | im trying to 'finish' off an install |
| 20:07.49 | Supaplex | is nyle having an episode or what? |
| 20:07.50 | ashk4n | but its a bit complicated |
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| 20:08.09 | ashk4n | can i use the netinst cd to boot the actual installation partition |
| 20:08.15 | ashk4n | to 'finish' the install (download ssh, etc) |
| 20:08.20 | Supaplex | !tell ashk4n -about rescue |
| 20:08.24 | ashk4n | i.e rescue root=/dev/sda1 |
| 20:08.34 | ashk4n | sup: ya its not working as intended |
| 20:08.34 | tuvwx | how do i enable bash completion with sudo? it works in the user's shell as well as root's |
| 20:08.53 | netdaemon | tuvwx, take a look at /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 20:08.57 | ashk4n | basically the issue is that on the machine im doing the installation in, root will be /dev/sda1 |
| 20:09.04 | Supaplex | ashk4n: there is no rescue= line now. |
| 20:09.13 | ashk4n | but the target machine its going too, that same drive will appear as /dev/hda1 |
| 20:09.19 | tuvwx | netdaemon: i did, and that's why it's working for root, just not with sudo |
| 20:09.20 | netdaemon | brb |
| 20:09.35 | netdaemon | i still have to test mine tuvwx |
| 20:09.36 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 20:09.47 | Supaplex | ashk4n: behold the cause for why disk labels, or even partition guids are used |
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| 20:10.04 | ashk4n | supaplex: what about for grub tho? |
| 20:10.13 | icedtea | capiira: i386, ia64 is for itanium |
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| 20:10.33 | capiira | oh |
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| 20:10.41 | capiira | then there is no 64bit for xeons ? |
| 20:10.44 | netdaemon | tuvwx, the other option is to add complete -cf sudo to your ~/.bashrc |
| 20:11.03 | Nyle | netdaemon: hey man equivs are nice |
| 20:11.05 | Nyle | wols: thanks |
| 20:11.09 | Nyle | !ping |
| 20:11.10 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:11.17 | Nyle | oh comeo |
| 20:11.17 | Nyle | still lag |
| 20:11.22 | tuvwx | netdaemon: the strange thing is that it works find in my older debian machines without the need for any additional configuration |
| 20:11.26 | Nyle | fuck |
| 20:11.33 | tuvwx | s/find/fine |
| 20:11.50 | tuvwx | they are all up-to-date testing |
| 20:11.55 | tuvwx | just older installations |
| 20:12.01 | netdaemon | tuvwx, bash-completion installed? |
| 20:12.19 | icedtea | capiira: amd64 works for xeons but I hear some software acts strangely or is broken. how much memory do you have? |
| 20:12.39 | capiira | icedtea, 2gb |
| 20:12.41 | netdaemon | tuvwx, i just installed that and it started working... |
| 20:12.42 | netdaemon | lol |
| 20:12.55 | Supaplex | ashk4n: root= can take disk labels or drive guids (I don't totally recall how). gurb is sda/hda agnostic. it uses bios drives (hd0,0) for hda1|sda1 (whichever is the bios first boot drive) |
| 20:13.00 | tuvwx | netdaemon: bash completion enabled in ~/.bashrc and /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 20:13.16 | ashk4n | sup: do u know where that is set? |
| 20:13.24 | netdaemon | tuvwx, apt-get/aptitude install bash-completion |
| 20:13.31 | ashk4n | i.e where its getting the hd0 defintion? |
| 20:13.38 | Supaplex | ashk4n: /boot/grub/menu.lst + /etc/fstab |
| 20:13.44 | tuvwx | netdaemon: is that an official debian package? can't find it |
| 20:13.48 | wols | ashk4n: BIOS |
| 20:13.51 | ashk4n | also, how do i force grub to install onto the mbr of sda |
| 20:14.02 | wols | man grub-install |
| 20:14.06 | netdaemon | hm |
| 20:14.12 | netdaemon | in my repos but i use testing/unstable |
| 20:14.14 | ashk4n | wols: well what im asking is |
| 20:14.21 | ashk4n | if i install grub onto /dev/sda now |
| 20:14.26 | ashk4n | and then it later becomes /dev/hda |
| 20:14.29 | ashk4n | it should still work yes? |
| 20:14.33 | wols | yes |
| 20:14.39 | ashk4n | (another issue is the machine im booting it on is headless) |
| 20:14.41 | netdaemon | ah that would be why |
| 20:14.44 | netdaemon | just a moment |
| 20:14.44 | wols | grub itself only cares about what BIOS says. nothing else |
| 20:15.01 | wols | grub can use a serial console |
| 20:15.08 | wols | as can linux itself |
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| 20:15.13 | tuvwx | netdaemon: also, bash completion is working, just not with sudo |
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| 20:15.43 | Supaplex | ashk4n: there's /boot/grub/device.map too. that's autodetected. all in all hd0 always equals the bios first boot drive. hd1 is the second. it don't matter if it's scsi, sata, or pata. hd0 is the first bios boot drive. (read it over and over until you get it) |
| 20:15.51 | netdaemon | tuvwx, i know, wasn't working with sudo with me either until i installed that package, i'm hunting down a debian stable equivalent |
| 20:16.08 | timonator | is there a reason why debian stable ships with glibc 2.3 instead of 2.4, 2.5, 2.6 or 2.7? i want to install nexuiz, but the newest version won't start without at least glibc 2.4 |
| 20:16.10 | tuvwx | netdaemon: debian testing here |
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| 20:16.45 | ashk4n | sup: so i just need to convert /etc/fstab to use labels instead of /dev/sdx? |
| 20:16.45 | Supaplex | timonator: because that's the version etch had when it was frozen. |
| 20:16.51 | wols | timonator: debian etch was frozen 18+ months ago |
| 20:16.58 | timonator | oh my |
| 20:17.02 | icedtea | capiira: probably i386 unless you really need to support a machine with more memory |
| 20:17.03 | timonator | that's a damn long time |
| 20:17.14 | netdaemon | tuvwx, yeah just add complete -cf sudo to the end of your ~/.bashrc |
| 20:17.18 | netdaemon | i don't see a package |
| 20:17.18 | sordith | timonator: the reason is: at some point in time a so called freeze is done, before a release turns into "stable". from that point on no new features are added |
| 20:17.22 | capiira | i will buy more soon |
| 20:17.26 | timonator | is there anything i can do to get a newer glibc without horribly breaking my system? |
| 20:17.46 | wols | "upgrade" to testing |
| 20:17.52 | Supaplex | or use a few backports |
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| 20:18.04 | wols | Supaplex: libc6 backport? you're funny |
| 20:18.04 | timonator | i've been told that falls under the "horribly breaking my system" category, wols |
| 20:18.04 | Ace2016_ | Hi all |
| 20:18.15 | sordith | timonator: if the application is really important to you, then you can setup a chroot with "testing" |
| 20:18.23 | Ace2016_ | wols: hi again, do you happen to know if the kernel loads any modules or drivers to handle the keyboard? |
| 20:18.26 | timonator | oh no, not that important |
| 20:18.40 | wols | Ace2016_: usually not unless it's USB |
| 20:18.51 | wols | !info nexuiz |
| 20:18.57 | dpkg | nexuiz: (A fast-paced 3D first-person shooter), section games, is optional. Version: 2.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 604 kB, Installed size: 1936 kB |
| 20:19.10 | sordith | aha! |
| 20:19.22 | Ace2016_ | A laptop keyboard might be connected internally via a usb interface, how do i test this? |
| 20:19.44 | Ace2016_ | say disable usb and bring it back online in 10 seconds |
| 20:19.48 | ashk4n | is there a way to list labels on a given disk? |
| 20:19.57 | wols | !label |
| 20:20.02 | wols | !uuid |
| 20:20.02 | dpkg | methinks uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 20:20.25 | ashk4n | cool |
| 20:20.39 | ashk4n | and would label=[HOME] |
| 20:20.41 | ashk4n | or label=HOME |
| 20:21.51 | ashk4n | shit.. swap doesnt have a label |
| 20:22.01 | sordith | timonator: since your desired application is a game, i assume you use Etch on a desktop system? |
| 20:22.08 | timonator | correct |
| 20:22.09 | limcore | ashk4n: lol |
| 20:22.26 | tuvwx | netdaemon: that does work.. thanks |
| 20:22.27 | icedtea | capiira: you could just run a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland, then you would have all the compatibility plus memory usage |
| 20:22.38 | netdaemon | tuvwx, no problem |
| 20:22.42 | Ace2016_ | nope the keyboard doesn't seem to be usb i used rmmod usbhid,ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd in turn and they only disabled my usb mouse |
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| 20:23.18 | sordith | timonator: maybe i should not say that, but on a desktop system the stability and reliability aspect is not so important, so you could upgrade to "testing". the "unstable" tree is not a good idea, but with Lenny i am fine on my desktop |
| 20:23.28 | timonator | oh |
| 20:23.30 | ashk4n | hmm. grub gives me a hard disk error :( |
| 20:23.33 | timonator | is that so? |
| 20:23.37 | capiira | icedtea: ahh ok, but does 64bit apps runs faster at all? |
| 20:23.38 | ashk4n | which means its seeing hd0 |
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| 20:23.41 | timonator | last time i tried, it broke stuff for me |
| 20:23.52 | timonator | it might be sensible to make a backup i suppose |
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| 20:24.03 | sordith | timonator: really? do you remember what broke exactly? |
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| 20:24.27 | timonator | hmm, it was on my laptop, but i'm not sure any more if i upgraded to testing or unstable |
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| 20:24.48 | timonator | the breakage was aptitude dist-upgrade giving "resolution scorings" of -1500 and less |
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| 20:24.58 | sordith | timonator: yeah, better hands off from "unstable" if you dont plan to go bug hunting :-) |
| 20:25.05 | Ace2016_ | wols: do you know how i can let debian know i have a full keyboard, and that when numlock is on it does not need to turn i=5 and o=6 and p=*? |
| 20:25.05 | dondelelcaro | timonator: that's not all that unusual. |
| 20:25.19 | dondelelcaro | timonator: possible resolutions don't have to have a positive score. |
| 20:25.20 | timonator | it's not? i thought that was pretty bad |
| 20:25.29 | yassine | hi everyone after purging a package and reinstalling it the configs are not installed again any idea how i can reinstall it to have the config overwritten with the default configs again please? |
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| 20:25.58 | abrotman | yassine: which package? |
| 20:25.58 | dondelelcaro | timonator: nope, it just means that it has to remove packages to do what you asked which is scored pretty heavily negatively. |
| 20:26.07 | timonator | oh, i see |
| 20:26.08 | yassine | abrotman: asterisk |
| 20:26.09 | Ace2016_ | what the |
| 20:26.16 | abrotman | yassine: is there an asterisk-common ? |
| 20:26.36 | timonator | so, when upgrading to testing, how probable is it that i totally break my system? |
| 20:26.49 | sordith | timonator: an added bonus when you go Lenny and like games is - you can use the nifty "ept-cache related" |
| 20:26.51 | dondelelcaro | timonator: generally pretty unlikely, but it depends on the day and what your system is doing. |
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| 20:27.08 | greenhorn | hi, I am trying to upgrade from netinstall etch to unstable... edited my /etc/apt/sources.list replacing all instances of etch with unstable |
| 20:27.20 | icedtea | capiira: I don't think the 64bit apps run faster unless there are using more than 3g of ram, but I don't know for sure |
| 20:27.22 | greenhorn | worked with most, but some changes resulted in 404 |
| 20:27.24 | yassine | abrotman: no |
| 20:27.39 | dondelelcaro | greenhorn: you need to rerun apt-get update; or pick a different mirrors. |
| 20:27.48 | capiira | ahh ok thanks i will google a little bit :D |
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| 20:28.10 | timonator | isn't testing the only release, that doesn't receive security updates or something? what's that about? |
| 20:28.12 | greenhorn | dondelelcaro: yes, that is when error happened (when I updated) |
| 20:28.24 | greenhorn | I am using the default mirror |
| 20:28.34 | abrotman | yassine: which version of debian? and which file? |
| 20:29.02 | greenhorn | double checking again... |
| 20:29.03 | dondelelcaro | greenhorn: there's no such thing as a default mirror. If you're getting a 404 when you update, then your sources.list is wrong. |
| 20:29.03 | sordith | what do people use instead of "apt-setup" btw? |
| 20:29.15 | dondelelcaro | sordith: an editor? |
| 20:29.27 | craigevil | timonator: testing gets secutity updates |
| 20:29.33 | icedtea | capiira: I mean 4g... I think with a 32bit kernel the system has up to 64gigs of memory but a single app is limited to 4g |
| 20:29.35 | timonator | oh, ok |
| 20:29.38 | sordith | dondelelcaro: i do that. but what about newbies who want the nice menu choices? :-) |
| 20:29.44 | icedtea | capiira: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 |
| 20:29.52 | timonator | whats the help keyword for upgrading etch -> lenny for the dpkg bot? |
| 20:30.08 | netdaemon | !lenny |
| 20:30.09 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wir> <rsn> and <siyh>). |
| 20:30.14 | wols | !tell timonator about etch->lenny |
| 20:30.17 | timonator | thanks |
| 20:30.40 | timonator | doesn't seem too hard |
| 20:30.49 | Ace2016_ | no it never does |
| 20:30.49 | dondelelcaro | sordith: well, apt-spy or similar will do it. |
| 20:31.05 | abrotman | yassine: ? |
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| 20:31.09 | sordith | ah, looking at this one of its newbie friendly |
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| 20:31.28 | greenhorn | dondelecaro: what is wrong with this: http://security.debian.org unstable/updates/main Sources |
| 20:31.36 | capiira | thx |
| 20:31.40 | greenhorn | (that is from my sources.list after the edit) |
| 20:31.44 | craigevil | no security updates for sid |
| 20:31.55 | netdaemon | greenhorn, unstable dosn't get security updates |
| 20:31.57 | greenhorn | ah, okay |
| 20:31.58 | craigevil | greenhorn: get rid of that line |
| 20:32.02 | greenhorn | that explains it |
| 20:32.21 | icedtea | capiira: I don't think you'll get much speed improvements with a 64bit userland unless a single app is using more than 4g of memory |
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| 20:32.40 | greenhorn | excellent, worked |
| 20:32.44 | greenhorn | thanks to both of you |
| 20:33.01 | sordith | icedtea: 3D applications, image and video manipulation and such benefits a lot from 64bit also |
| 20:33.15 | capiira | ah ok |
| 20:33.34 | greenhorn | is this the best way to upgrade: aptitude -t dist-upgrade |
| 20:33.41 | capiira | yeah i plan to render and do 3d too |
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| 20:34.10 | Haris1 | Hello people |
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| 20:34.27 | HSorgYves | re... postfix only deliveres the tls certificate to the client, not the whole certification path although smtpd_tls_CAfile is set... what did i do wrong? |
| 20:34.36 | Haris1 | I rebuilt the kernel. How do I configure the boot options? I dont find the standard grub.conf in /boot/grub |
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| 20:34.52 | petemc | menu.lst |
| 20:35.01 | sordith | Haris1: its /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:35.05 | Haris1 | ah yes |
| 20:35.09 | lunaphyte | i've upgraded a computer using testing that hadn't been upgrade in some time, and i'm having problem with ntpd and large clock offsets. what might the problem be? |
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| 20:35.58 | wols | lunaphyte: no VM or such? |
| 20:36.07 | lunaphyte | no sir. |
| 20:36.11 | wols | run ntopdate before starting ntpd? |
| 20:36.27 | capiira | bbl thanks icedtea and sordith! |
| 20:36.28 | wols | low CMOS battery? |
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| 20:36.32 | sordith | lunaphyte: old hardware so the CMOS battery could be empty? |
| 20:36.36 | sordith | wols :-) |
| 20:36.44 | wols | Haris1: you don't need to |
| 20:36.45 | icedtea | sordith: yeah thats true |
| 20:37.03 | Haris1 | There are symlinks to kernel and initrd.img files which are in /boot to /. What are they for? |
| 20:37.08 | |riker| | hi im currently trying to get my new dlink di-524 wireless router to work wirelessly. i found a small guide in a forum which references to rc.conf - but what is the similar file in debian? |
| 20:37.08 | wols | Haris1: unless you didn't use kernel-package inm which case you are a moron |
| 20:37.14 | lunaphyte | sordith - i guess that's possible - it's not terribly old - a year or so maybe. |
| 20:37.22 | sordith | oh, i seem to be lagged. bare with me |
| 20:37.27 | |riker| | It is for setting up the wireless interface |
| 20:37.43 | wols | !tell |riker| about interfaces |
| 20:37.44 | timonator | how hard is it to migrate a debian installation from 32bit to 64bit? |
| 20:37.51 | abrotman | reinstall |
| 20:37.52 | wols | timonator: reinstall |
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| 20:37.59 | timonator | oh, it's _that_ hard |
| 20:38.35 | sordith | timonator: but you can always keep your data from /home |
| 20:38.51 | timonator | sure |
| 20:39.10 | timonator | i should think about seperating /home from the / partition |
| 20:39.38 | netdaemon | i did that, havn't regretted it yet |
| 20:39.56 | timonator | the only problem is: make the home partition how big? |
| 20:40.14 | sordith | timonator: 2-4GB should fit |
| 20:40.21 | timonator | what. |
| 20:40.24 | timonator | impossible |
| 20:40.26 | charzero | Is it possible to use courier-authlib-postgresql and send passwords cleartext but have them MD5 hashed in the db? |
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| 20:40.55 | netdaemon | timonator, i have 8 gigs for / 2 for swap and the rest is /home |
| 20:40.58 | sordith | timonator: that is when you keep media data and such in other places :-) |
| 20:41.11 | timonator | hah, right |
| 20:41.22 | timonator | which i guess i should, right? |
| 20:41.43 | sordith | its not really of much advantage |
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| 20:42.23 | sordith | i made the extra partition because multiple users want the media data |
| 20:42.33 | timonator | ah ok |
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| 20:45.08 | timonator | 164 gig in /home alone :/ |
| 20:45.29 | timonator | 132 of which are a dump from the external hard drive from a friend of mine |
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| 20:48.48 | hellues | !paste |
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| 20:49.15 | Miesco | I compiled and Installed videotrans, how do I uninstall it? |
| 20:49.26 | Miesco | Cause now there is a package for it in lenny |
| 20:49.29 | epsilon | delete the files |
| 20:49.29 | wols | Miesco: ask the videotrans people |
| 20:49.36 | hellues | hey |
| 20:49.39 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/50740 |
| 20:49.40 | CharminTheMoose | hehe |
| 20:49.40 | Miesco | So I have to delete them manually? |
| 20:49.41 | timonator | if youre lucky and it comes with an uninstall make target, go into the source folder and run make uninstall |
| 20:49.45 | hellues | pls check how can i fix |
| 20:49.46 | epsilon | yes |
| 20:49.48 | lunaphyte | i'm running testing and recently upgraded to the 2.6.22 kernel. i'd like to revert the the 2.4 kernel for a moment, but i don't see it in apt-cache search. how can i do this? |
| 20:49.54 | Miesco | I tried make uninstall (nope) |
| 20:50.08 | timonator | try make install as root and see what files it accesses, then delete 'em all |
| 20:50.08 | CharminTheMoose | now here's exactly why i sometimes am a bit pissed off with make |
| 20:50.17 | Miesco | I'll do it manually (They really should have make uninstall if they have make install, should be standard :( |
| 20:50.19 | epsilon | 2.4 is unsuppoted iirc |
| 20:50.21 | CharminTheMoose | the lack of an uninstall line by default |
| 20:50.33 | timonator | there is a program called "checkinstall", that keeps track of installed files that make install copies and makes a deb packageeee out of it |
| 20:50.42 | Miesco | timonator: Okay |
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| 20:51.02 | ashk4n | arg |
| 20:51.05 | ashk4n | just did a full re-install |
| 20:51.10 | ashk4n | and still get 'GRUB hard disk error' |
| 20:51.13 | hellues | any help |
| 20:51.19 | cahoot | du kna ju aktivera bootlogd och se om du hittar ngt fel |
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| 20:52.16 | epsilon | hellues: install xdpyinfo |
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| 20:52.36 | icedtea | ashk4n: sata drive? |
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| 20:52.57 | epsilon | package xbase-clients to be exactly |
| 20:52.57 | ashk4n | iced: usb drive |
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| 20:55.19 | icedtea | ashk4n: flash drive based os? |
| 20:55.23 | Miesco | All done :) |
| 20:55.29 | ashk4n | ice: no. regular netinst |
| 20:55.38 | ashk4n | trying to install to an external usb drive |
| 20:55.49 | Miesco | timonator: Okay |
| 20:56.01 | timonator | mh? |
| 20:56.04 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 20:56.09 | Ace2016 | how do you stop keybaord autodetection? |
| 20:56.09 | timonator | did it work out, Miesco? |
| 20:56.11 | Miesco | timonator: No there isn't, not int he repository |
| 20:56.12 | icedtea | ashk4n: oh I see. I have no experience sorry :( |
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| 20:56.48 | Miesco | timonator: I deleted them manually, all is fine, they all went to /usr/local |
| 20:56.54 | timonator | ah, good |
| 20:57.02 | timonator | luckily linux doesn't have something like the registry |
| 20:57.32 | petemc | gnome does |
| 20:57.35 | timonator | well... |
| 20:57.44 | amphi | mirabile dictu ;) |
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| 20:59.00 | Miesco | timonator: There's no program checkinstall |
| 20:59.15 | timonator | http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ |
| 20:59.31 | petemc | its not in etch |
| 20:59.35 | timonator | sadly |
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| 20:59.56 | gihad | Guys, What's the fastest(at reading) file system available having in mind a few 1.5~4gigas files ? |
| 21:01.54 | Miesco | timonator: Is it in any repository |
| 21:02.09 | timonator | i had "deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free" in my sources.list, when updating to lenny, can i just remove this line? or will i still need it? (with lenny in it, though) |
| 21:02.35 | Miesco | no |
| 21:02.52 | timonator | no what? |
| 21:03.03 | somiaj | timonator: yea you will want to remove it so you don't have package conflicts. |
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| 21:04.01 | timonator | checkinstall will just do what make install would |
| 21:04.16 | timonator | if you use another prefix with the configure script, it will put it there |
| 21:04.30 | Miesco | timonator: Why isn't checkinstall in the debian repository? |
| 21:04.36 | timonator | i don't know |
| 21:04.47 | timonator | i'm not a debian dev, nor a maintainer, nor have i something to do with the project |
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| 21:05.12 | hellues | e xdpyinfo |
| 21:05.15 | Miesco | timonator: Lies |
| 21:05.16 | hellues | there is no such oackage |
| 21:05.34 | Miesco | timonator: So does checkinstall have make uninstall? |
| 21:06.12 | timonator | you don't understand |
| 21:06.23 | timonator | checkinstall turns the stuff into a deb (or rpm or whatever) package |
| 21:06.24 | Miesco | hold on, apparently it IS in lenny |
| 21:06.27 | timonator | you can install it via dpkg/apt |
| 21:06.27 | Miesco | I know |
| 21:06.37 | timonator | dist-upgrade! |
| 21:06.44 | Miesco | I KNOW, but just wondering if I can uninstall checkinstall :) |
| 21:06.47 | Miesco | I have lenny |
| 21:06.52 | Miesco | hold on |
| 21:06.57 | timonator | i mean |
| 21:07.00 | timonator | i dist-upgrade |
| 21:07.08 | timonator | 30 minutes of download left... |
| 21:07.22 | Miesco | cool |
| 21:08.39 | Miesco | I found it! |
| 21:08.41 | Miesco | I just updated |
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| 21:08.51 | Miesco | thanks! |
| 21:09.36 | tuvwx | any recommendation among qemu/kvm, virtualbox and vmware (via vmware-package)? |
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| 21:11.02 | maybeway36 | i like virtualbox myself |
| 21:11.24 | timonator | me too |
| 21:11.36 | timonator | it's the only one i tried, though (that and dosbox) |
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| 21:12.03 | icedtea | how do get virtualbox to boot debian from a seperate partition? |
| 21:12.12 | icedtea | I didn't see any options |
| 21:12.57 | icedtea | in the windows version that is |
| 21:13.32 | tuvwx | why are there two virtualbox-*-source packages? |
| 21:13.40 | timonator | can virtualbox on windows access the debian partition? |
| 21:14.08 | icedtea | timonator: I don't think so. I switched to vmware server |
| 21:14.36 | timonator | 2/3 of downloading done... |
| 21:15.46 | maybeway36 | timonator: you would need ext drivers for windows |
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| 21:18.15 | jelly-ho | timonator: you really ought to ask read the manual or ask in the correct channel about virtualbox' host <-> guest connectivity |
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| 21:19.44 | timonator | wha? i'm not the one asking |
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| 21:19.47 | timonator | the other guy was |
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| 21:20.23 | jelly-ho | oh, well then. |
| 21:20.51 | icedtea | it wasn't really a question, more of a warning. I don't think virtualbox on windows will boot a linux partition. an iso file or virtual hard disk in a file, or cd, but not a seperate partition |
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| 21:21.56 | guerby | hi again, now I have something in the logs of my failing phenom+790 debian machine |
| 21:22.09 | guerby | Mar 8 21:36:28 gcc04 kernel: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#3 stuck for 11s! [events/3:18] |
| 21:22.24 | guerby | should I report it? |
| 21:22.28 | abrotman | to who? |
| 21:22.54 | icedtea | I think he means to the maintainers |
| 21:22.54 | guerby | abrotman, debian BTS |
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| 21:23.47 | icedtea | guerby: did you compile this kernel yourself or is it a stock debian kernel? |
| 21:24.08 | abrotman | guerby: can you reproduce it ? |
| 21:24.28 | guerby | icedtea, it's debian etch but with 2.6.24 from unstable (stock kernel was also freezing, as was backport one) |
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| 21:24.55 | guerby | abrotman, takes a few hours of compiling but this is the third time in two days so I'd say yes :) |
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| 21:25.50 | abrotman | compiling? |
| 21:25.54 | abrotman | what are you compiling? |
| 21:26.29 | sordith | software! |
| 21:26.41 | blordo | hello, i know this is not the place to ask this, but i do not know where it is!. I need to convert a swf file to avi for a tv show. i tried with ffmpeg but it says that compressed swf is not supported, any hints? or any reccomendations on where to ask? |
| 21:26.46 | guerby | abrotman, GCC (remember I'm growing corn :) |
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| 21:27.02 | abrotman | guerby: you're compiling GCC ? |
| 21:27.02 | guerby | I've found a report in the BTS matching my messages |
| 21:27.09 | guerby | abrotman, GCC dev version yes |
| 21:27.20 | abrotman | blordo: maybe ask #mplayer .. or ##linux .. not sure |
| 21:27.29 | blordo | abrotman, i'll try, thanks |
| 21:27.35 | abrotman | guerby: i thought they kept the dev versions in sid and/or experimental ? |
| 21:27.58 | guerby | abrotman, I'm a GCC "developer" |
| 21:28.06 | abrotman | guerby: uname -a |
| 21:28.09 | guerby | abrotman, the BTS is Bug#464387 |
| 21:28.22 | abrotman | it's already there or you just filed ? |
| 21:28.29 | guerby | abrotman, Linux gcc04 2.6.24-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 13:47:43 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:28.34 | guerby | abrotman already there |
| 21:28.42 | abrotman | but that's CPU0!! |
| 21:29.09 | abrotman | he says to run memtest |
| 21:29.20 | jelly-ho | guerby: wait... you have a rather new cpu / chipset and are surprised that Linux fails to work 100%? This sounds like something for lkml. Maybe via debian's kernel developers, maybe not |
| 21:29.21 | guerby | abrotman, I ran 32 hours of memtest after the first crash |
| 21:29.37 | benjamindees | blordo, gnash |
| 21:29.45 | abrotman | i'd have done LKML too |
| 21:29.52 | guerby | jelly-ho, that's why I'm asking where to report |
| 21:30.17 | blordo | benjamindees, i thought that was only a player |
| 21:30.19 | jelly-ho | no experience with Debian's kernels here, can't tell |
| 21:30.24 | guerby | for the record I'll add something to the Bug#464387 to imply it's likely to be a real bug (or hardware bug who knows) |
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| 21:31.17 | benjamindees | blordo, it is |
| 21:31.19 | jelly-ho | when in doubt, blame acpi |
| 21:31.31 | amphi | heh |
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| 21:34.29 | wols | jelly-ho: blame acpi or udev. if in doubt: blame both |
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| 21:35.13 | jelly-ho | wols: got used to udev... even the real distros like RHEL use it |
| 21:35.51 | loca|host | anyone can advise me a good up to date guide to install etch on a usb stick ? |
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| 21:39.11 | |riker| | sorry i'm reallt stuck/confused regarding configuring wireless connection. ive got a intel 3945 and try to connect to this dlink di-524. i'm just wondering how i can configure an iwconfig right or if it is possible to store it into /etc/network/interfaces somehow - would i need to make an entry in /etc/network/interfaces for wlan0_ren or wlan0_rename as it is described |
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| 21:40.07 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 21:40.07 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".. As of 2.6.24 in the kernel tree, see the firmware-iwlwifi package |
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| 21:40.33 | lindenle | Hi I am trying to use the token bucket filter qc and I am not sure how to measure my uplinks actual speed...any advice? |
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| 21:41.14 | wols | do a speedtest und aunshaped link or severak |
| 21:41.55 | hellues | how |
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| 21:42.01 | hellues | can i install xdpyinfo |
| 21:42.12 | wols | hellues: with apt-get |
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| 21:42.27 | hellues | no |
| 21:42.36 | hellues | it says no candidate version xdpyinfo |
| 21:42.37 | wols | aptitude then |
| 21:42.47 | _riker_ | oh my connection blew for a moment |
| 21:43.00 | _riker_ | could someone repost if you wrote - thanks |
| 21:43.04 | hellues | i chect this from apt-get.org |
| 21:43.07 | wols | !tell hellues about search |
| 21:43.08 | mbroeker | hellues, its in x11-utils |
| 21:43.12 | hellues | no repository |
| 21:43.19 | wols | hellues: never get any packages from there |
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| 21:43.35 | wols | hellues: debbian.org |
| 21:43.48 | phorce1 | !tell |riker| about ipw3945 |
| 21:43.50 | hellues | why wols |
| 21:44.11 | wols | cause we will not support any apt-get.org packages and they probably will break your system sooner or later |
| 21:44.20 | hellues | mbroeker, aptitude install x11-utils ? |
| 21:44.36 | aalex_ | If I need to create a bootable USB stick, should I download http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ ? Maybe there is an easier way to get this ? |
| 21:44.43 | aalex_ | (hi) |
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| 21:45.08 | hellues | debbian.org didnt open |
| 21:45.14 | phorce1 | !tell _riker_ about ipw3945 |
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| 21:46.01 | _riker_ | thnx i look at it :) |
| 21:46.51 | wols | debian.org |
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| 21:48.12 | aalex_ | I found this regarding USB stick installation : http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 21:48.21 | aalex_ | http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html oops, I meant |
| 21:48.37 | aalex_ | (sorry, the first URL is wrong) |
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| 21:49.10 | loca| | anyone can advise me a good up to date guide to install etch on a usb stick ? |
| 21:49.26 | zinx | loca|: should be in the Installation Guide |
| 21:49.31 | tesla | yes |
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| 21:49.38 | tesla | i think i saw it just now as i was reading it |
| 21:49.40 | ktwilight | man, i wonder what kinda excuse deb maintainers will give on not having the right version dependencies put in repos |
| 21:50.22 | jelly-home | ktwilight: repos have version dependencies? |
| 21:51.03 | ktwilight | um, i meant package dependencies |
| 21:51.05 | icedtea | aalex_: interesting, thanks |
| 21:51.14 | abrotman | ktwilight: are you running unstable? |
| 21:51.18 | ktwilight | nope |
| 21:51.18 | ktwilight | lenny |
| 21:51.24 | abrotman | ktwilight: and which package is uninstallable ? |
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| 21:52.04 | ktwilight | abrotman, it wasn't uninstallable. madwifi-source has an upgrade, but its dependency madwifi-tools is still stuck in unstable, when it should be in testing so that the upgrade is smooth |
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| 21:52.30 | abrotman | ktwilight: if you want stable .. run stable .. shit happens .. |
| 21:52.31 | ktwilight | am surprised that dependencies weren't picked up from one version to another |
| 21:52.34 | abrotman | !inout |
| 21:52.34 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://release.debian.org/migration/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" or go to http://release.debian.org/migration/ For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 21:52.37 | aalex_ | icedtea, ever tried a usb stick installation ? |
| 21:52.51 | ktwilight | abrotman, well, am not complaining about stability, am complaining about the process ;) |
| 21:53.08 | abrotman | ktwilight: then run stable .. you really lose the right to whine when you don't run stable |
| 21:53.10 | ktwilight | am just surprised that dependencies aren't well taken care of |
| 21:53.30 | jelly-home | ktwilight: the usual procedure to get these things fixed involves filing bugs, rather than whining on #d |
| 21:53.31 | abrotman | ktwilight: it's also possible your mirror is out of whack .. apt-cache policy madwifi-tools .. what is the candidate? |
| 21:53.41 | timonator | my dist-upgrade seems to be hanging at "Starting Hardware abstraction layer: hald" |
| 21:53.46 | timonator | what can i do to remedy this? |
| 21:53.49 | ktwilight | jelly-home, i seriously consider this as basics. |
| 21:54.07 | ktwilight | abrotman, nope, i've checked the package.debian.org and it's still in unstable, not in testing. |
| 21:54.14 | abrotman | ktwilight: THEN RUN STABLE |
| 21:54.16 | ktwilight | abrotman, am also using a push primary mirror |
| 21:54.19 | ktwilight | abrotman, yes yes |
| 21:54.26 | abrotman | ktwilight: which one do you think is primary? |
| 21:54.33 | ktwilight | ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 21:54.39 | jelly-home | ktwilight: yeah well, there's dds and there's dds. Bugs still won't get fixed magically unless someone notices |
| 21:54.40 | abrotman | and you think it can't have issues? |
| 21:54.44 | ktwilight | abrotman, whichever that the official site say it is? ;) |
| 21:54.52 | ktwilight | jelly-home, of course |
| 21:55.03 | ktwilight | abrotman, well, i have a relatively high level of faith |
| 21:55.04 | icedtea | aalex_: I'm going to install debian on a usb stick, but I'm going to boot the kernel from a cdr (no bios boot from usb) and use the flash device and the root fs |
| 21:55.08 | abrotman | !why is madwifi-tools not in testing |
| 21:55.08 | dpkg | madwifi-tools is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=madwifi-tools |
| 21:55.27 | icedtea | aalex_: err, and use the flash device as the root fs |
| 21:55.33 | abrotman | i'd say it might be awhile |
| 21:55.39 | ktwilight | np :) |
| 21:55.40 | abrotman | oh wait ... |
| 21:55.43 | ktwilight | i've done the manual installation |
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| 21:55.49 | abrotman | ktwilight: did you read the NEWS or anything ? |
| 21:56.30 | ktwilight | abrotman, well, i guess one may push the blame on not reading NEWS |
| 21:56.34 | abrotman | that's weird .. that page says it doesn't provide madwifi-tools anymore |
| 21:56.44 | abrotman | or i'm reading it wrong |
| 21:56.53 | ktwilight | am reading the same as you |
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| 21:57.21 | ktwilight | well, now i know there's a new command about release, thanks abrotman :) |
| 21:58.11 | yassine | is there a shortcut for purging packages in aptitude? |
| 21:58.26 | abrotman | aptitude purge <pkgname> |
| 21:59.17 | yassine | abrotman: sorry my mistake not the command line but for the console based UI |
| 21:59.34 | jelly-home | yassine: as in when running it interactively? |
| 22:00.20 | icedtea | aalex_: I would mount certain directories as tmpfs so as not to burn out the flash drive |
| 22:00.21 | jelly-home | yassine: _ (it's in help but doesn't use the term "purging" explicitely) |
| 22:00.32 | yassine | jelly-home: yes i found that its the '_' |
| 22:00.41 | yassine | jelly-home: thanks you |
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| 22:04.09 | aalex_ | icedtea, interesting. I am trying to install linux on a mini-ITX whose power supply cannot power a CD drive.... |
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| 22:05.48 | aalex_ | icedtea, it is working. :) installing debian |
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| 22:06.59 | aalex_ | icedtea, I'll install it on a flash card (CF) |
| 22:07.02 | metaperl | I need some help getting sound to work on my Debian/etch box... it quit working |
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| 22:08.18 | icedtea | aalex_: are you installing it from another pc? |
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| 22:08.45 | aalex_ | icedtea, hm, did not work, didnt find the .iso |
| 22:09.00 | aalex_ | debian-blabalba-businesscard.iso should work, no ? |
| 22:09.13 | aalex_ | icedtea, not really. is there a way to do so ? |
| 22:09.31 | aalex_ | icedtea, from an other pc, i try to create a bootable usb drive |
| 22:10.45 | aalex_ | debian-40r3-i386-businesscard.iso was not found by the installer. Should I copy it in the root of the USB stick? the web page is vague about the actual command to do |
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| 22:11.44 | icedtea | aalex_: hold on my web browser with like 30 tabs just died |
| 22:12.32 | timonator | how can i find out which version of the nvidia closed driver the "debian method" would give me? |
| 22:12.37 | timonator | without installing anything |
| 22:12.45 | aalex_ | "copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it." at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 22:12.59 | aalex_ | what does "to it" means ? |
| 22:13.11 | aalex_ | and "copy" |
| 22:13.19 | abrotman | !bf |
| 22:13.19 | dpkg | etch floppies is, like, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 22:13.20 | aalex_ | I need some shell :) |
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| 22:13.41 | metaperl | I'm trying to find my soundcard - http://rafb.net/p/B2gmYg22.html - and then do a modprobe for it... please help |
| 22:13.55 | aalex_ | abchirk, is that link for me? |
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| 22:14.18 | aalex_ | abrotman, is that link for me? |
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| 22:14.26 | abrotman | or you're trying USB? |
| 22:14.41 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 22:14.41 | dpkg | i guess usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 22:15.42 | icedtea | aalex_: check one of those pages out |
| 22:15.48 | k-man | how do i get my extra mouse buttons to work? |
| 22:17.17 | aalex_ | icedtea, abrotman : yes. I looked all those pages, but I am now looking for the proper way to add a *.iso file in the USB stick partition |
| 22:17.50 | timonator | the upgrade didn't go so well :| |
| 22:17.56 | icedtea | aalex_: those images are meant to be burned to a cd |
| 22:19.51 | aalex_ | icedtea, "copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it" says the debian doc. Which ISO file is this, exactly? |
| 22:20.08 | aalex_ | (still talking about http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html.en ) |
| 22:20.14 | abrotman | icedtea: they can be used with USB sticks also |
| 22:22.39 | icedtea | you mean mount the iso as a loopback and copy the files from there to the flash drive? |
| 22:22.54 | icedtea | err |
| 22:22.58 | icedtea | mount the iso file |
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| 22:23.20 | metaperl | firefox had my audio device tied up ... this clash doesnt happen on windows.... why is linux audio so much more picky about who gets the audio card? |
| 22:23.24 | icedtea | aalex_: these instructions aren't clear to me |
| 22:23.37 | abrotman | icedtea: read the instructions |
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| 22:23.49 | abrotman | metaperl: that's partially flash's fault |
| 22:24.01 | aalex_ | icedtea, got an error : http://wiki.dataflow.ws/pastebin |
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| 22:24.34 | abrotman | aalex_: how big is the usb drive? |
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| 22:24.49 | aalex_ | icedtea, I am afraid by doing zcat stuff > /dev/sdb ... |
| 22:24.53 | abrotman | aalex_: and run a 'df' .. how much room is left ? |
| 22:25.13 | aalex_ | 0 |
| 22:25.17 | aalex_ | :-( |
| 22:25.22 | aalex_ | 100% used |
| 22:25.27 | abrotman | seems bad |
| 22:26.04 | aalex_ | abrotman, well, I'll just format it to FAT16 again |
| 22:26.19 | aalex_ | but that doesnt make it bootable... |
| 22:26.47 | Nazcafan_ | hi again |
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| 22:27.57 | icedtea | aalex_: running syslinux on the drive will make it bootable, see the doc |
| 22:28.16 | aalex_ | abrotman, gparted doesnt allow me to create a partition bigger than what it is now... which is the size the "zcat ... > /dev/sdb" did |
| 22:28.33 | abrotman | aalex_: start from scratch .. |
| 22:28.49 | abrotman | aalex_: you're just trying to get a bootable USB for the installer right? |
| 22:29.29 | aalex_ | abrotman, yes |
| 22:29.49 | abrotman | aalex_: which set of instructions are you following? |
| 22:29.49 | metaperl | which tab control addon are you using with iceweasel... there are so many |
| 22:30.20 | aalex_ | abrotman, http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html.en the easy way |
| 22:30.28 | Nazcafan_ | is there a debian package of freetype that enables the autohinting features patented by apple ? |
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| 22:30.59 | abrotman | aalex_: okay .. so you did the zcat ? |
| 22:31.19 | aalex_ | abrotman, yes... |
| 22:31.28 | abrotman | holy crap it is WINDY |
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| 22:31.40 | aalex_ | abrotman, where are you? :) |
| 22:31.41 | abrotman | that's gotta be near 40mph |
| 22:31.44 | abrotman | aalex_: near philly |
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| 22:32.09 | Farhadix | hi guys, |
| 22:32.20 | abrotman | aalex_: so you just did that zcat and it doesn't boot ? |
| 22:32.51 | abrotman | aalex_: if you did it hte easy way .. why are you trying to copy the ISO on ? |
| 22:32.54 | Farhadix | where I can add or remove a module to don't load at startup? |
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| 22:33.20 | abrotman | Farhadix: do you want to add or remove? |
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| 22:33.51 | Farhadix | abrotman, I want don't load pcspkr. |
| 22:33.58 | abrotman | that's a bit tricker .. |
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| 22:34.37 | abrotman | http://ramblingfoo.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-to-disable-pcspkr-in-etch.html |
| 22:34.38 | peleg | what can cause tasksel to crush just a second after trying to install lamp-server? |
| 22:34.42 | abrotman | !pcspkr |
| 22:34.44 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 22:36.40 | aalex_ | abrotman, well, under 4.4.1 it says to "mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sda /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it." |
| 22:37.28 | Farhadix | abrotman, thanks,:) |
| 22:37.36 | netdaemon | is there a way to make python 2.5 the default python? |
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| 22:37.49 | abrotman | aalex_: you're using the boot.img.gz ? |
| 22:38.11 | abrotman | aalex_: apparently it's only two commands |
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| 22:41.15 | aalex_ | abrotman, the first one is ""zcat" and the other is cp ? |
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| 22:41.26 | aalex_ | abrotman, no need to edit permissions? |
| 22:41.35 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 22:41.36 | aalex_ | abrotman, or rename the *iso file? |
| 22:41.41 | abrotman | it says not to |
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| 22:43.53 | aalex_ | abrotman, cp: writing `/tmp/foo/debian-40r3-i386-businesscard.iso': No space left on device |
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| 22:44.16 | abrotman | aalex_: how big is the USB stick ? |
| 22:44.22 | abrotman | aalex_: show us the exact commands you've used |
| 22:44.33 | aalex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.45 | aalex_ | /tmp/foo is mount point of /dev/sdb |
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| 22:45.29 | aalex_ | abrotman, above it is :) |
| 22:45.38 | Asmooh | Venlo \o/ |
| 22:45.42 | untitled | hi! kde 3.5.9 seems to take place in sid now, doesn't it? so, why konqueror keeps showing me 3.5.8? |
| 22:45.52 | stiv2k | whats more likely to fail in a notebook -- processor or mainboard? |
| 22:45.56 | abrotman | untitled: might not be built yet |
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| 22:46.05 | abrotman | aalex_: i meant from the start |
| 22:46.16 | abrotman | aalex_: and how big is the stick ? |
| 22:46.55 | dutchfish | stiv2k, in order of probability, hs, ram, m-board, power supply, cpu |
| 22:47.18 | abrotman | hs? |
| 22:47.28 | abrotman | oh .. HDD |
| 22:47.34 | dutchfish | abrotman, /s/hs/hd |
| 22:47.36 | aalex_ | abrotman, the stick is 510 Mb (could have been the problem), but df says 123Mb, 100% full |
| 22:47.44 | stiv2k | dutchfish: hs = ? heatsink? |
| 22:47.52 | stiv2k | dutchfish: ah |
| 22:48.00 | abrotman | aalex_: ok .. let's start over shall we? |
| 22:48.05 | aalex_ | abrotman, you are right. I will start from fdisk totally from scratch |
| 22:48.10 | mavhk | or psu connector to motherboard if it's a crap design |
| 22:48.31 | stiv2k | dutchfish: ok, well this notebook refuses to BIOS POST... i have ruled out the hard drive and RAM and power supply as the culprits |
| 22:48.36 | abrotman | aalex_: and show us the commands ? |
| 22:48.49 | abrotman | stiv2k: well .. the other two aren't cheap :) |
| 22:48.51 | stiv2k | dutchfish: i need to confirm what is the problem - CPU or mainboard |
| 22:48.55 | stiv2k | abrotman: i know.. :( |
| 22:49.01 | dutchfish | stiv2k, does it boot without cdrom attached? |
| 22:49.08 | abrotman | dutchfish: notebook ? |
| 22:49.10 | stiv2k | dutchfish: i havent disconnected the cdrom |
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| 22:49.33 | dutchfish | stiv2k, could be the ide controller |
| 22:49.36 | stiv2k | dutchfish: i dont know how/why the CDROM could cause it to not boot |
| 22:49.39 | stiv2k | dutchfish: hmm.. |
| 22:49.46 | stiv2k | the IDE controller can stop it from POSTing? |
| 22:49.58 | dutchfish | stiv2k, on faulty cdrom or disk yes |
| 22:50.01 | abrotman | that's on the MB |
| 22:50.15 | aalex_ | abrotman, fdisk worries me : http://wiki.dataflow.ws/pastebin |
| 22:50.21 | lindenle | how do i block people not on my buddy list in gaim? |
| 22:50.47 | abrotman | aalex_: why are you fdisking anything ? |
| 22:50.47 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 22:50.55 | dutchfish | stiv2k, does it give bios beeps? |
| 22:51.01 | abrotman | i think i just saw a cow fly by |
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| 22:51.19 | abrotman | aalex_: do you need what is on this stick ? |
| 22:51.25 | aalex_ | abrotman, no |
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| 22:51.37 | abrotman | aalex_: use fdisk to remove all paritions |
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| 22:51.55 | stiv2k | dutchfish: no beeps |
| 22:52.00 | aalex_ | abrotman, like pressing "d" for delete for sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 etc? |
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| 22:52.06 | stiv2k | dutchfish: just black screen, thats it |
| 22:52.07 | abrotman | aalex_: yes .. trash it all |
| 22:52.14 | dutchfish | stiv2k, and you see disk activity on booting? |
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| 22:52.47 | stiv2k | dutchfish: the HDD activity light comes on and stays on about 30 sec and then turns off... during this time I can hear the read/write head moving occasionally (but not much) |
| 22:53.11 | stiv2k | dutchfish: i tried booting without the HDD connected, i have also tried without the RAM connected (even with only 1 RAM module at a time) |
| 22:53.14 | aalex_ | abrotman, ok, and then partition it as one FAT16 partition? or just do the zcat thing ? |
| 22:53.25 | dutchfish | stiv2k, did you change bios sttings or are they still factory default or did flash bios? |
| 22:53.30 | abrotman | aalex_: just do the zcat |
| 22:53.54 | stiv2k | dutchfish: not sure, its not my notebook, its my aunts but she is computer illiterate so i don't think she touched the BIOS |
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| 22:54.24 | aalex_ | abrotman, " zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb " |
| 22:54.42 | dutchfish | stiv2k, some notebooks can be factory defaulted by pressing [INS] on during pressing power butting till bios appears, can you try that? |
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| 22:55.03 | abrotman | dutchfish: laptops have a million different key combos to press .. assuming it has a real bios at all |
| 22:55.10 | kekko | is it possible to boot without loading a specific kernel module? |
| 22:55.12 | stiv2k | dutchfish: its an HP pavilion dv1657cl |
| 22:55.20 | stiv2k | dutchfish: i will try it, give me a few minutes |
| 22:55.25 | Supaplex | !tell kekko -about blacklist |
| 22:55.33 | dutchfish | stiv2k, i dont thnk HP has that options |
| 22:55.40 | stiv2k | dutchfish: ok.. then i guess i wont try it |
| 22:55.58 | abrotman | i think newer HPs are F12 |
| 22:56.00 | kekko | Supaplex:? |
| 22:56.48 | dutchfish | stiv2k, mmm.. i suspect ide controller or video on the mainboard, but certainly not sure, there are hp tools that can check your laptop by means of bios beeps if no screen appears, check the support of HP |
| 22:56.53 | aalex_ | abrotman, " mount /dev/sdb /mnt " and then " cp debian-40r3-i386-businesscard.iso /mnt/ " |
| 22:56.55 | Supaplex | kekko: yes you can. you have to blacklist it. /query dpkg for the answer I just had the bot tell you about. any other questions? |
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| 22:57.01 | abrotman | aalex_: and then it hates you ? |
| 22:57.11 | abrotman | kekko: which version of debian ? |
| 22:57.17 | aalex_ | abrotman, no error this time |
| 22:57.23 | abrotman | aalex_: feel better? |
| 22:57.23 | aalex_ | trying to boot |
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| 22:57.30 | kekko | Supaplex:etch |
| 22:57.33 | abrotman | trying to sandal |
| 22:57.38 | aalex_ | yes :) it's good to talk about those things... |
| 22:57.43 | kekko | abrotma:etch |
| 22:57.46 | abrotman | i got it |
| 22:57.51 | kekko | Supaplex: seen your message now. thanks |
| 22:57.55 | stiv2k | dutchfish: ok |
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| 22:59.35 | aalex_ | abrotman, the installer "failed to find an installer ISO image" |
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| 22:59.50 | FalscherHase | hi. i'm installing a new system. do you still use swap partitions nowadays or are swap files enough? |
| 23:00.07 | abrotman | aalex_: but it booted ? |
| 23:00.14 | aalex_ | abrotman, yes |
| 23:00.45 | aalex_ | abrotman, i am at "load installer components from an installer ISO" : but cannot use a CD drive |
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| 23:01.08 | abrotman | if you mount it .. can you see the ISO ? md5sum it for verification |
| 23:01.38 | aalex_ | abrotman, oh, you mean to abort the insallation and try on this computer |
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| 23:01.53 | Lectus | I wanted to install debian unstable. Is it really too much unstable? |
| 23:01.54 | abrotman | aalex_: abort? it hasn't made it anywhere :) |
| 23:02.02 | Lectus | I need up-to-date packages :P |
| 23:02.03 | abrotman | Lectus: please don't do it .. |
| 23:02.20 | Lectus | abrotman: thanks for the advice lol |
| 23:02.26 | dutchfish | FalscherHase, debian installs swap partitions 2 x th esize of memory by default if you choose guided aprtioning |
| 23:02.33 | abrotman | Lectus: if you need your machine to function every day .. don't use unstable |
| 23:02.35 | stiv2k | dutchfish: the HP site just says if the power light is on, then the problem is not with the AC adapter and you need to sendf the notebook in for repairs |
| 23:02.49 | abrotman | FalscherHase: i'd say either would be fine |
| 23:02.53 | dutchfish | stiv2k, well, sounds clear |
| 23:02.59 | abrotman | and vague! |
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| 23:03.17 | abrotman | HI DAVEMAN! |
| 23:03.39 | stiv2k | dutchfish: that doesnt help me, i dont want to send it in since the warranty is expitred |
| 23:03.43 | Lectus | abrotman: eth doesn't detect my hardware, lenny install ok, I was think unstable could have more up-to-date packages, but I'm thinking about installing lenny now. |
| 23:03.48 | stiv2k | dutchfish: i wish i could determine if its the board or CPU myself, and repair it myself |
| 23:03.50 | Lectus | etch* |
| 23:03.52 | FalscherHase | dutchfish, abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 23:03.56 | aalex_ | abrotman, what is the package for md5? ... unless the command has an other name |
| 23:04.12 | abrotman | md5sum is the binary |
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| 23:04.43 | dutchfish | stiv2k, maybe you have a spare monitor that could be attached to see, if that gives a bios screen? |
| 23:04.44 | abrotman | and it's in coreutils .. you should already have it |
| 23:05.21 | dutchfish | stiv2k, if it is, we can exclude video |
| 23:05.37 | stiv2k | dutchfish: tried that, no luck |
| 23:05.37 | aalex_ | abrotman, they match |
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| 23:05.51 | stiv2k | dutchfish: the video is integrated into the mainboard |
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| 23:06.44 | dutchfish | stiv2k, i have no clues left ... |
| 23:06.57 | Ace2016 | enouf: its half fixed now, just need to find the equivalent of setleds +num for xorg |
| 23:07.08 | stiv2k | dutchfish: i guess that would imply that its the mainboard then? |
| 23:07.10 | abrotman | aalex_: try booting it again? |
| 23:07.19 | stiv2k | dutchfish: i wonder if anything would come up on screen if the CPU was dead |
| 23:07.26 | jetscreamer | Lectus: just run ubuntu unless you know debian well and can run sid |
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| 23:07.44 | Ace2016 | at the moment it says: KDGETLED: Invalid argument Error reading current led setting. Maybe stdin is not a VT? |
| 23:07.46 | jetscreamer | Lectus: ubuntu is basically sid |
| 23:07.52 | jetscreamer | some differences |
| 23:08.03 | jetscreamer | important ones |
| 23:08.06 | dutchfish | stiv2k, if the cpu or mainboard us dead the bios cant warn you with beeps, but i am not sure |
| 23:08.37 | jetscreamer | it can with a bad cpu |
| 23:08.45 | jetscreamer | did you try the psu? |
| 23:08.50 | abrotman | aalex_: better luck ? |
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| 23:10.08 | aalex_ | abrotman, no, and i removed (rm /media/blasbla.iso) the businesscard trying to free enough space to put the netinst.iso which is slightly bigger. now, cannot write to media : not enough space.... |
| 23:10.09 | aalex_ | :-/ |
| 23:11.01 | abrotman | did you sync it after you deleted? |
| 23:11.37 | aalex_ | abrotman, what is that? |
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| 23:12.05 | Daveman | abrotman, tired of the rain yet? :\ |
| 23:12.07 | abrotman | run sync .. then try to copy the netinst again |
| 23:12.12 | abrotman | Daveman: yay wind? :) |
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| 23:12.58 | tonyb486 | With the debian daily netboot gtk image, it says Invalid Release signature (key id A70DAF536070D3A1) |
| 23:12.59 | enouf | Ace2016: man keyboard , see Option "XLeds" "ledlist" ? |
| 23:12.59 | aalex_ | abrotman, " cp: writing `/media/Debian Inst/debian-40r3-i386-businesscard.iso': No space left on device " |
| 23:13.05 | simonrvn | what rain? |
| 23:13.06 | DustyBin | mythtv .21 has just been released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:13.07 | DustyBin | http://mythtv.org/ |
| 23:13.13 | simonrvn | i can barely see 10 m in front of me when outside |
| 23:13.28 | simonrvn | this snowstorm's a doozy |
| 23:13.33 | aalex_ | simonrvn, you are in montreal too? |
| 23:13.38 | abrotman | aalex_: umount /dev/sdb |
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| 23:13.41 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:13.49 | abrotman | aalex_: then remount .. see if there's an ISO .. |
| 23:14.05 | Ace2016 | for man keyboard i get this: keyboard.dll(3w) Wine API keyboard.dll(3w) |
| 23:14.21 | Ace2016 | seems wine took it over strange |
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| 23:15.10 | Ace2016 | enouf: oh i found it, its man kbd, it must be new in sid |
| 23:15.19 | simonrvn | it wouldn't take it over, man only found that manual when you asked for it |
| 23:15.38 | simonrvn | yes, it's "kbd" |
| 23:15.59 | abrotman | it's been kbd .. forever |
| 23:16.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: and wtf were you doing outside?! |
| 23:16.35 | streuner | simonrvn: looks nice :-) - http://www.montrealcam.com/en-Bonsecours.html |
| 23:16.44 | simonrvn | abrotman: exactly. getting food |
| 23:16.54 | abrotman | simonrvn: pizza delivery? :) |
| 23:17.14 | simonrvn | streuner: oh it certainly does look "hot". don't stand in it too long though ;) |
| 23:17.18 | aalex_ | abrotman, umount: /media/Debian Inst: device is busy ... |
| 23:17.33 | abrotman | get out of the directory |
| 23:17.41 | simonrvn | in my typical polar bear-ness, i went outside with my coat open |
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| 23:17.56 | enouf | X Version 11 xf86-input-keyboard 1.1.0 KEYBOARD(4) |
| 23:17.58 | aalex_ | hehe. Im not in :) |
| 23:18.02 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's not that cold is it? |
| 23:18.05 | abrotman | aalex_: somethign is using it |
| 23:18.10 | enouf | X Version 11 xf86-input-keyboard 1.1.0 KBD(4) |
| 23:18.16 | simonrvn | -4 |
| 23:18.32 | abrotman | not awful |
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| 23:18.33 | aalex_ | abrotman, there is a command to know what use a file... but that is plenty of files |
| 23:18.40 | simonrvn | not the ttemp, it's the windchill ;) |
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| 23:19.17 | enouf | isoinfo -d dev=/dev/name |
| 23:19.21 | abrotman | aalex_: lsof or fuser .. something is using it |
| 23:19.42 | simonrvn | and the massive amounts of snow driving into your face hehehe |
| 23:19.47 | streuner | http://www.montrealcam.com/en-svpm.html - a better picture... |
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| 23:19.57 | enouf | aalex_: i recently had that happen, use eject and eject -t |
| 23:20.11 | dutchfish | can i mount an iso and make a cow with fuse and then when done shoot a new (changed iso) ? |
| 23:20.41 | drwahl | any ideas why my network connection would keep dropping kinda randomly? roughly every 30-45 min. i lose network connectivity for ~15-20 sec. |
| 23:20.46 | aalex_ | abrotman, enouf : I was in the directory when I typed "sudo bash"... the root user wasnt in the dir, but aalex, yes :) |
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| 23:20.55 | aalex_ | booting again the mini-ITX |
| 23:21.06 | Supaplex | drwahl: it's crumcast |
| 23:21.13 | simonrvn | effing javascript |
| 23:21.25 | aalex_ | simonrvn, abrotman : I think that even if it is quite ugly out, I |
| 23:21.33 | aalex_ | will get out to the restaurant... |
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| 23:21.38 | drwahl | Supaplex: its on the local net, not internet, but my connection to my file server |
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| 23:21.47 | drwahl | and obviously the internet too... |
| 23:21.50 | abrotman | i'm thinking about a big juicy burger and a nummy beer :) |
| 23:21.58 | simonrvn | ugly? not at all. dangerous, potentially |
| 23:21.58 | enouf | simonrvn: ofcourse you have the hottub and sauna going nicely eh? ;-) |
| 23:22.03 | aalex_ | abrotman, failed again to find image :( |
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| 23:22.30 | simonrvn | enouf: whatever you say |
| 23:22.30 | abrotman | aalex_: but it is really there ? |
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| 23:22.42 | abrotman | aalex_: was theat the netinst or bizcard? |
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| 23:24.04 | abrotman | simonrvn: you'd sleep outside .. you're a polar bear :) |
| 23:24.35 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:24.45 | aalex_ | abrotman, bizcard. |
| 23:25.06 | abrotman | try the netinst maybe ? |
| 23:25.17 | Supaplex | simonrvn: with bzip2! ;) |
| 23:25.23 | abrotman | aalex_: how are you mounting the usb drive ? |
| 23:25.35 | simonrvn | Supaplex: good idea! :P |
| 23:25.48 | simonrvn | 7zip |
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| 23:26.07 | Danker | Hi |
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| 23:26.26 | aalex_ | abrotman, i will try some other instructions : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 23:26.37 | abrotman | aalex_: or you could try the long instructions |
| 23:26.39 | Danker | Is there any tool to check what protocols (like ICMP and IGMP) my connection supports? |
| 23:26.46 | Ace2016 | brb |
| 23:26.47 | keith__ | is ndiswrapper packaged, or should I use module assistant to build it? |
| 23:26.54 | simonrvn | fuck i hate this computer sometimes |
| 23:27.06 | Supaplex | maybe someone already wrote a whitepaper/howto on ssl/tls cert validation and hostname checks etc wrt https/ssl/tls/etcclient/server security |
| 23:27.10 | abrotman | aalex_: what was the command you used to mount the USB stick when you were copying the ISO ? |
| 23:27.19 | Supaplex | !lart simonrvn's pc |
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| 23:28.07 | embkas | can anyone help me with a small bash-script. i'm going to rename some hundred files. The first files name should be 1994-1, next file 1994-2, 1994-3 and so on |
| 23:28.13 | aalex_ | abrotman, mount /dev/sdb /mnt/ |
| 23:28.26 | keith__ | embkas: have you been to #bash? |
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| 23:28.40 | abrotman | okay . i was just wondering what the /media/Debian Inst was |
| 23:28.41 | somiaj | embkas: you might be able to do it with just rename and some simple regex. |
| 23:28.56 | aalex_ | embkas, for i in `ls`; do mv $i blabla-$i.foo; done |
| 23:29.21 | aalex_ | abrotman, oh, it has been automagically mounted there |
| 23:29.27 | aalex_ | abrotman, you are right |
| 23:29.30 | abrotman | uh ... |
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| 23:29.53 | Danker | Is there any tool to check what protocols (like ICMP and IGMP) my connection supports? |
| 23:29.55 | embkas | aalex_: looks like it is what I was looking for, thanks :-) |
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| 23:30.31 | dutchfish | Danker, nmap? |
| 23:31.13 | Danker | How should I use it to detect what protocols my connection supports? |
| 23:31.16 | aalex_ | abrotman, mount /dev/sdb /mnt/ mount: No medium found |
| 23:31.23 | abrotman | that's not good |
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| 23:31.34 | abrotman | put the usb drive in the slot |
| 23:31.42 | aalex_ | yep |
| 23:31.54 | dutchfish | Danker, nmap [yourip] and look at its manpage |
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| 23:32.17 | Danker | I have looked at it's man page and found nothing |
| 23:32.43 | aalex_ | abrotman, i have a utility that automounts it |
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| 23:33.11 | drwahl | any ideas why my network connection would keep dropping kinda randomly? roughly every 30-45 min. i lose network connectivity for ~15-20 sec. its not just 'internet' connectivety, i also lose connectivity to my filserver which is on the same switch. the switch isnt bad, because i have tried like 3 switches, and different cables, and other machines on the switch can connect to the fileserver even when my desktop disconnects |
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| 23:34.29 | drwahl | it seems to like it might be the newer kernel that apt grabbed, but i have no way of proving it |
| 23:34.33 | Anthro | Is there any way to ask curl which certificate files it knows about? |
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| 23:35.00 | somiaj | drwahl: check if your nic has any powersaving features that can be configured. Beyond that seems as if you isolated the problem to be the nic on the desktop. So either the module or hardware. You could install the old kernel and see if that fixes it. |
| 23:35.38 | aalex_ | abrotman, anyways. thanks for helping !! I'll take a little brake. :) |
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| 23:35.55 | simonrvn | 'break' |
| 23:35.57 | dutchfish | Danker, look at option -sO in manpage |
| 23:35.57 | aalex_ | and i'll be back in an hour :) |
| 23:36.06 | drwahl | somiaj: i will give that a shot. are you away of any place that may log errors that might be thrown by the module or powersave 'feature'? |
| 23:37.09 | simonrvn | aalex_: have fun |
| 23:37.16 | somiaj | drwahl: check /var/log, kern.log, messages or syslog are good places to start |
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| 23:37.41 | Danker | dutchfish: Thanks |
| 23:37.44 | drwahl | somiaj: great. that gives me something to check. thanks. i will report with an update once i have one :) |
| 23:37.50 | somiaj | drwahl: I know wireless cards sometimes do that and you have to disable the powersaving features. I have yet to hear of it on a non wirless nic, but it wouldn't surprise me if such featers are there. |
| 23:38.16 | drwahl | somiaj: its just a plain ol' gigabit ethernet NIC |
| 23:38.31 | drwahl | somiaj: so wireless issues wouldnt apply here (methinks) |
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| 23:39.06 | somiaj | drwahl: and I would isolate to see if it was a kernel upgrade. See if you can get the older kenel you had 'it working' on a boot up off of it. That way you can compare the two configs. myabe something changed |
| 23:39.57 | somiaj | drwahl: I'm not talking about wirless issues, I'm talking about 'power saving' issues, which are common on lots of devices, including wirless cards. Just saying I have yet to see them on a gigabit nic, but it wouldn't surprise me that some nic have them included these days. my hardware is old. |
| 23:40.55 | drwahl | somiaj: cool, i appreciate the info. |
| 23:42.33 | somiaj | drwahl: you could check the specs on your nic. that will take away any powersaving features right away. (: |
| 23:43.11 | drwahl | somiaj: ya, the interesting thing is that it was fine for about a year, but i recently moved, and had to reboot, which i assume it booted into a new kernel when i rebooted, which is why i think it might be the kernel |
| 23:43.53 | embkas | aalex_: well it was almost right, but I want to put in a number which encreases with one (1) on each new filename, like foo-1, foo-1, foo-3 |
| 23:45.30 | tuvwx | if i have a public ip but i'm behind a vpn, then i can't run, say, a web server, can i? (no one will be able to connect) |
| 23:48.10 | enouf | embkas: ask in #bash, but something akin to for ((x=1994-1; x<=1994-1; x++)) ; do mv $x .... ; done |
| 23:48.19 | enouf | er |
| 23:48.41 | enouf | embkas: ((x=1994-001; x<=1994-100; x++)) maybe .. |
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| 23:50.56 | Danker | dutchfish: Maybe you know how to scan host by MAC using nmap? |
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| 23:51.08 | embkas | enouf: thanks, i'll ask in #bash :-) |
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| 23:52.52 | enouf | embkas: your original question was fairly clear, still have it? |
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| 23:55.19 | Daveman | abrotman, yeah, it's scary out there :x |
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| 23:56.22 | abrotman | i think i'm going out :) |
| 23:56.35 | biggiebo | i have a brand new server, i have problem in running application just like oidentd, i dont know if gcc..ETC is installed or not, anyone can help? |
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| 23:57.19 | dutchfish | Danker, i use arpwatch for that then arping then i have my needed ap -> ip table |
| 23:57.32 | dutchfish | Danker, s/ap/arp |
| 23:57.36 | wckd | biggiebo: gcc -v |
| 23:57.52 | Danker | dutchfish: Thanks ;) |
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| 23:59.35 | biggiebo | wckd: its installed, thanks gcc version 3.4.6 .. do u there's something else need to be installled? |
| 23:59.35 | Supaplex | !tell biggiebo about ask |
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| 23:59.46 | killown | hi all, I am compiling kernel and when I try make modules it get error CHK include/linux/version.h CHK include/linux/utsrelease.h make[1]: *** No rule to make target `missing-syscalls'. ... can anyone help me? |
| 23:59.55 | Supaplex | biggiebo: for oidentd? what's the problem. it doesn't require c to be installed. |
| 23:59.56 | biggiebo | oh sorry Supaplex |
