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| 00:04.36 | JordiGH | Grrr... A DVD I could previously read is suddenly not being decrypted after some updates. :-( |
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| 00:05.03 | suwro | umm - perl is complaining about locale - how do i set this? |
| 00:05.07 | suwro | !locale |
| 00:05.07 | dpkg | i heard locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
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| 00:12.22 | Blackgoth | is there a way to lock a tty but keep your processes running? |
| 00:12.36 | Blackgoth | (just a command line, no X whatsoever) |
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| 00:13.03 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:14.32 | thugnificient | anyone know a good working website tutors libpam-chroot? |
| 00:14.35 | rking | Blackgoth: How about ^Z then `bg;disown` then logging out? |
| 00:15.28 | JordiGH | I wonder what could have possibly changed that I could play this DVD and now I can't... |
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| 00:17.02 | rking | JordiGH: dvd drive going kaput. |
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| 00:17.29 | zinx | JordiGH: copy prevention started working? |
| 00:17.47 | JordiGH | rking: hardware problem? I hope not. :-( |
| 00:17.47 | neosix | Hello! How can I enable syntaz in Kate to see syntax from all prog. languages like in Gvim? |
| 00:17.54 | neosix | syntax* |
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| 00:18.34 | JordiGH | zinx: Looks like it... |
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| 00:19.45 | rking | JordiGH: that happened to me ~4mo ago. My DVD drive was already strangely selective about which disks it would read (i thought it was just varying copy protection schemes), but when it started randomly rejecting the ones it previously read, i knew something was up |
| 00:20.01 | rking | JordiGH: try ejecting/re-trying a few times. if it magically works, it's probably hardware |
| 00:21.10 | colby | Blackgoth: another way to accomplish that might be screen - comes in handy for many things. |
| 00:21.25 | JordiGH | rking: Hrm. I also did a full-upgrade today... |
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| 00:23.17 | JordiGH | How could I check for hardware problems... maybe that is it. :-( |
| 00:23.36 | rking | JordiGH: hopefully it is just a software thing (which is workable--i don't know of any DVD copy-protection scheme that is insurmountable, although i'm not exactly on top of copy-prot news) |
| 00:23.58 | rking | JordiGH: 1 sec... |
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| 00:24.29 | rking | JordiGH: you should be able to do something like: head /dev/dvd | od -cx |
| 00:24.51 | rking | JordiGH: if it's reading that, then you just have a problem of making your software understand the bytes |
| 00:24.53 | Jorophose | Replacing "testing" in my sources.list with "lenny" is the proper thing to do to let it upgrade to lennyStable in the end, right? |
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| 00:25.58 | darx | whats the difference between gl and xv overlays? which one is better. what is the ideal set up? |
| 00:26.04 | JordiGH | rking: Well, something is being read. |
| 00:26.06 | darx | #flood |
| 00:26.22 | JordiGH | rking: Although libdvdcss is complaining of read error. :-( |
| 00:26.45 | rking | JordiGH: ok, good - probably not hardware. (unless it's severely junkz0rd, and actually lying about the data--though i'd suspect it would either read correctly or fail completely) |
| 00:27.14 | rking | JordiGH: i forget how to do all of this... between /msg dpkg about dvd stuff (decss maybe?) and googling, you can find several howto's. |
| 00:27.46 | JordiGH | rking: Let me try to burn a dvd and read it... it may be hardware. |
| 00:27.51 | Blackgoth | rking: that could work, but im looking for a better/quicker solution |
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| 00:28.27 | rking | Blackgoth: i'm not sure how much quicker that can be... |
| 00:28.33 | petemc | or better |
| 00:29.01 | rking | Blackgoth: you could put it in a script: echo "foo & disown" > donkey; chmod +x donkey; ...then donkey;exit |
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| 00:29.34 | Blackgoth | heh, yeah okay |
| 00:29.39 | rking | Blackgoth: lockvc package maybe? |
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| 00:30.40 | Blackgoth | that actually killed my tty now :P |
| 00:30.50 | rking | Blackgoth: lockvc did? |
| 00:30.53 | Blackgoth | yeah |
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| 00:31.20 | Blackgoth | i do have a nice linux thingy |
| 00:31.22 | rking | Blackgoth: i've never used it... just apt-cache search turned it up. in the past, i've ^Z bg disown ^D |
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| 00:31.40 | Blackgoth | but when i try to login again, it blurs :+ |
| 00:32.07 | rking | Blackgoth: try the 'clear' command, if not that the echo ^V <Esc> c |
| 00:32.16 | rking | oh yeah, after 'clear' i'd try 'reset' |
| 00:32.38 | Blackgoth | aint working |
| 00:32.51 | Blackgoth | well. doesnt matter at this moment |
| 00:32.53 | rking | Blackgoth: it's showing the wrong characters, right? |
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| 00:33.03 | Blackgoth | it's showing dots and dashes |
| 00:33.06 | rking | like you'll type a letter C and it shows an u-umlaut? |
| 00:33.15 | JordiGH | Hm, is it possible to unrip an .avi and create a video dvd out of it? |
| 00:33.19 | rking | echo ^v <esc> c normally does the trick |
| 00:33.35 | petemc | JordiGH: you can transcode it |
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| 00:34.00 | Blackgoth | nope rking, nothing :p |
| 00:34.12 | Blackgoth | ill reset it later, working on a vm anyway |
| 00:34.34 | JordiGH | petemc: How? |
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| 00:35.12 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 00:35.16 | JordiGH | !info deeveedee |
| 00:35.47 | Blackgoth | JordiGH: something like ffmpeg -i foo.avi -aspect 16:9 -target ntsc-dvd foo.mpg might help you |
| 00:35.59 | petemc | JordiGH: its a long enough process, there are many guides - some apps do some of the legwork |
| 00:36.16 | petemc | i think i used dvdauthor in the past |
| 00:36.36 | JordiGH | petemc: Found it. |
| 00:36.48 | norton- | I use utf-8 locale by default. It works well, but I have some problems when I encounter files that use latin1 characters, I know that I can use iconv to convert the files, but if I don't want to change it how do I make grep and similar tools work with latin1? |
| 00:37.16 | petemc | LANG=C grep ? |
| 00:37.25 | petemc | thats much faster, anyway |
| 00:37.31 | Blackgoth | and after that JordiGH, just do dvdauthor -o dvd/ foo.mpg |
| 00:37.44 | Coweater | why would aptitude be insisting on installing everythin gnome when i'm trying to install rhythmbox? i disabled the installing of reccomended packages and i can't find anything else in preferences |
| 00:37.49 | Blackgoth | and burn it with growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video dvd/ |
| 00:38.28 | norton- | petemc: I can't use C since I have swedish characters. But I have tried LANG=sv_SE.ISO-8850-1, but with no effect |
| 00:38.35 | Joelito | Hi guys, I'm using debian 4.0 with testing repos, and I can't find gdebi, does anyone where is it? |
| 00:39.41 | Coweater | !why is gdebi not in testing |
| 00:39.42 | dpkg | gdebi is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gdebi |
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| 00:41.02 | Joelito | ah thanks, Coweater |
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| 00:45.23 | JordiGH | Blackgoth: Is the transcoding step the only long one? |
| 00:45.38 | stoned | mostly |
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| 00:46.07 | haole | hey there... i want to disable tray icons in gnome, in such a way that when i close an application that uses it, it doesn't goes to background in a situation which i don't have a panel with systray support... how do i do it? |
| 00:46.39 | stoned | haole: explain the last part of your query |
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| 00:49.34 | haole | stoned, i want to disable tray icon in such a way that when i close my applications without having a panel for it to dock, it will kill itself |
| 00:49.44 | JordiGH | "libdvdcss error: read error" |
| 00:49.49 | JordiGH | I wonder if that means hardware error. |
| 00:49.51 | haole | stoned, instead of keep running in background, waiting for me to click on a tray icon that doesn't exist |
| 00:49.57 | haole | stoned, have i made it clear? |
| 00:50.04 | stoned | yes |
| 00:50.07 | JordiGH | I moved the laptop around a little while it was playing... could I have scratched the DVD drive? :-( |
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| 00:52.59 | rcbarnes | where is a good scanner install tutorial? |
| 00:53.30 | rcbarnes | (for debian, naturally) |
| 00:53.36 | jello | rcbarnes: maybe http://www.sane-project.org/ has one... |
| 00:53.50 | jello | otherwise just google for SANE & debian |
| 00:54.22 | rcbarnes | jello: nothing debian-specific? |
| 00:54.34 | rcbarnes | and the SANE debain google search just gave me crap |
| 00:54.35 | jello | not off the top of my head |
| 00:54.59 | jello | there's probably also good documentation in the relevant packages |
| 00:55.33 | jello | sane, sane-utils, etc... |
| 00:56.35 | JordiGH | rking: "dd if=/dev/dvd of=foo" gives I/O error. :-( |
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| 00:59.21 | rcbarnes | how do I replace my config files with the original package's ones? |
| 00:59.28 | JordiGH | It's reading a CD-ROM fine, though... |
| 00:59.41 | rcbarnes | I need to undo the damage I did, but I can't recall where I made all my changes. |
| 00:59.46 | haole | stoned, do u have any idea of where i could get support for this problem? |
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| 01:00.31 | JordiGH | rcbarnes: I think "aptitude reinstall package" will do it. |
| 01:00.38 | ashk4n | how do i set moblock-nfq to use a proxy when getting its IP list/ |
| 01:00.40 | ashk4n | ? |
| 01:00.58 | rcbarnes | JordiGH: nope. Tried that, but the files are still changed. |
| 01:01.13 | JordiGH | rcbarnes: "dpkg -i package.deb", perhaps? |
| 01:01.24 | rking | JordiGH: that might be hardwareishly bad. |
| 01:01.40 | ashk4n | also, how do i enable ipt_NFQUEUE in my default kernel? |
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| 01:01.55 | rcbarnes | JordiGH: I'll try that next |
| 01:01.59 | jello | rcbarnes: you need to ask dpkg nicely to overwrite your conffiles |
| 01:02.34 | JordiGH | rking: Hopefully it's only the DVD I scratched and not the drive... I just dd'ed a CD without problems. |
| 01:02.55 | ashk4n | ok, how about this question |
| 01:03.02 | ashk4n | 'what is the default kernel for debian 4.0/etch?' |
| 01:03.27 | ashk4n | found it: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ships with kernel version 2.6.18 for all architectures; |
| 01:03.33 | Blackgoth | vanilla kernel during install ashk4n |
| 01:03.43 | Blackgoth | and, 2.6.18 after install. |
| 01:03.46 | ashk4n | blackgoth: im running 2.6.8 now |
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| 01:03.52 | ashk4n | is it an easy upgradee to 2.6.18? |
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| 01:04.00 | Blackgoth | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 01:04.37 | ashk4n | black: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 01:04.40 | Blackgoth | before that, do a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
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| 01:04.45 | ashk4n | yep. ive done that |
| 01:04.52 | ashk4n | i think i am at the latest dist |
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| 01:04.53 | Blackgoth | running sarge? |
| 01:04.59 | JordiGH | Oy. Different DVD plays, but it skips like crazy. |
| 01:05.01 | ashk4n | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.12 | Blackgoth | in that case, no idea |
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| 01:05.14 | ashk4n | err /etc/debian_version |
| 01:05.29 | ashk4n | what is the kernel package called to deb? |
| 01:05.38 | JordiGH | Skipping isn't good, is it? |
| 01:05.44 | jello | ashk4n: you're running etch |
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| 01:05.55 | ashk4n | 4.0 = etch? |
| 01:05.58 | jello | i don't think etch has a newer kernel than that |
| 01:05.59 | jello | ashk4n: yes |
| 01:06.01 | ashk4n | oh ok |
| 01:06.04 | ashk4n | so 2.6.8 is latest? |
| 01:06.17 | jello | you can get a backport if you need one for some reason... |
| 01:06.18 | ashk4n | 2.6.8-3-686-smp is what im running currently |
| 01:06.21 | ashk4n | no i dont |
| 01:06.25 | neo2k | Since I updated libasound2 a couple of days ago, my sound in teamspeak is horrible, it sounds fine when I'm not using aoss. Any ideas ? |
| 01:06.29 | ashk4n | i just want ipt_NFQUEUE |
| 01:06.34 | ashk4n | not sure how to get the loaded |
| 01:07.05 | jello | ashk4n: when was it merged into the mainline kernel? |
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| 01:07.29 | jello | neo2k: what is teamspeak? |
| 01:07.46 | ashk4n | jello: i thought it was a kernel mod |
| 01:07.57 | neo2k | jello: it's an app for talking to other people, it runs on oss, but with aoss i can use multiple apps using my soundcard |
| 01:07.59 | jello | ashk4n: yes, but all modules started at some point... |
| 01:08.19 | neo2k | jello: the problem is aoss is seems, I've tried reinstalling alsa-lib and alsa-oss multiple times |
| 01:08.23 | jello | i was just asking which version it was added to the linux kernel |
| 01:08.24 | ashk4n | jello: let me dig |
| 01:08.48 | jello | ashk4n: what happens if you do "modinfo ipt_NFQUEUE" |
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| 01:09.36 | ashk4n | modinfo: could not find module ipt_NFQUEUE |
| 01:09.46 | jello | ashk4n: i'm running .24, and i don't have it by default |
| 01:09.53 | jello | is it an out of tree module? |
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| 01:10.05 | ashk4n | not sure, looking now |
| 01:10.11 | ashk4n | i think its an iptables add-on |
| 01:10.45 | ashk4n | ok there's an older eversion |
| 01:10.47 | ashk4n | err version |
| 01:10.49 | taxi_driver | jello: modprobe -l |
| 01:11.43 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 01:11.45 | ashk4n | ok got it |
| 01:11.52 | ashk4n | moblock-nfq is for 2.6.14 and above |
| 01:12.01 | ashk4n | moblock-ipq for below |
| 01:12.11 | ashk4n | per: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MoBlock |
| 01:12.52 | jello | taxi_driver: dont have NFQUEUE... |
| 01:13.41 | taxi_driver | jello: sysctl - |
| 01:13.46 | taxi_driver | sysctl -A |
| 01:14.12 | jello | taxi_driver: i'm not the one who wants it, ashk4n is |
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| 01:14.22 | jello | taxi_driver: appreciate the help though |
| 01:15.14 | taxi_driver | sorry :( |
| 01:15.52 | jello | np |
| 01:16.38 | taxi_driver | modprobe -l | grep queue |
| 01:16.55 | taxi_driver | but is ipt really ip protocol? |
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| 01:21.09 | taxi_driver | jello: ¿? |
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| 01:24.21 | stoned | hi |
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| 01:31.21 | HSorgYves | when i use tls with postfix, is there a way to send the whole certification path instead of only the signed certificate? |
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| 01:34.20 | curtmack | What's the name of the file where you can put default values for environment variables? |
| 01:34.53 | stoned | curtmack: ~/.bashrc for user |
| 01:35.01 | curtmack | ah yes |
| 01:35.17 | stoned | try not to modify system wide if you don't HAVE to |
| 01:35.20 | stoned | :) |
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| 01:39.06 | heatman | Hello. Does anyone know the name of a application that blocks ip from users that try relentlessly to connect on ftp server |
| 01:39.32 | Supaplex | heatman: iptables -m recent |
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| 01:40.02 | curtmack | Will that hold if I, say, need to use that variable from X? |
| 01:40.05 | heatman | Supaplex: there was something else that could be installed and i cant find the name |
| 01:40.07 | kgoetz | heatman: f2b |
| 01:40.12 | kgoetz | fail2ban |
| 01:40.13 | heatman | of packages that is |
| 01:40.17 | heatman | there u go! ty |
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| 01:44.43 | curtmack | Okay, now I'm having a different problem |
| 01:45.13 | curtmack | Now it's saying "Error loading shared libraries: liballeg.so.4.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 01:45.21 | curtmack | erm, wrong window |
| 01:45.24 | curtmack | sorry |
| 01:45.27 | curtmack | (bloody sirc) |
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| 01:48.19 | sixty6murph | hi, trying to install ipw2200 driver. INSTALL file says to check /lib/modules/'uname -r'/build/include/linux/autoconf.h - i can't find this file. |
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| 01:48.44 | sixty6murph | presuming it's in a different location on debian? |
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| 01:49.23 | Wizo | can any one help me with a debian shorewall problem internal lan is fine but i cant get in net forward reject in eth1 out eth0 |
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| 01:49.39 | Wizo | been fighting with it for 4 hours:( |
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| 01:50.28 | DustyBin | Wizo: make sure you have setup firewall rules for those devices |
| 01:50.45 | Wizo | i thought i did ? |
| 01:50.52 | DustyBin | check again |
| 01:51.08 | Wizo | ACCEPT net fw icmp 8 |
| 01:51.09 | Wizo | ACCEPT fw net icmp |
| 01:51.09 | Wizo | ACCEPT net fw tcp ssh,www,https,smtp,pop3,pop3s,imap2,imaps,submission |
| 01:51.09 | Wizo | ACCEPT net fw udp https |
| 01:51.09 | Wizo | ACCEPT net:216.197.150.238 fw tcp munin |
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| 01:51.14 | Wizo | oops sorrry |
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| 01:52.15 | curtmack | Say, random question. How is sudo pronounced? I always pronounced it like pseudo, but I've heard arguments towards soodoo. Any thoughts? |
| 01:52.57 | zinx | it is a combination of 'su' and 'do', but it doesn't really matter how you pronounce it |
| 01:53.03 | jello | sixty6murph: running etch? |
| 01:53.07 | Supaplex | curtmack: I've never heard the latter until now. |
| 01:53.26 | jello | curtmack: sue-dough |
| 01:53.36 | sixty6murph | jello: lenny |
| 01:53.53 | jello | sixty6murph: uname -r |
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| 01:54.10 | sixty6murph | 2.6.22 |
| 01:54.24 | sixty6murph | 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 01:54.36 | Supaplex | curtmack: just don't break out into song and dance, and you'll be ok with just about any way you say sudo. :) |
| 01:54.37 | curtmack | Well, if you think about it as an acronym of "superuser do," it makes sense that the do would be pronounced as in the word |
| 01:54.51 | jello | sixty6murph: you're probably already got it, run modprobe -l ipw\* |
| 01:54.55 | the_darkside_986 | i just did a fresh install of debian 40r?something and when i try to log in my user, i get "You are required to change your password immeidately (root enforced)..." how do i make this type of thing stop?? |
| 01:55.02 | curtmack | but sue-dough feels more right to me |
| 01:55.04 | centrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.28 | centrx | you could also split the difference |
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| 01:56.06 | sixty6murph | jello: so i do. ipw2100. if this is installed, how do i go about using it? |
| 01:56.18 | sixty6murph | wirelss-tools and whatnot? |
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| 01:56.39 | jello | sixty6murph: modprobe ipw2100 |
| 01:57.29 | wols | !ipw2100 |
| 01:57.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
| 01:57.57 | jello | the_darkside_986: read chage(1) |
| 01:58.15 | jello | wols: he's not running etch, he's running lenny and has it already |
| 01:58.15 | sixty6murph | jello: i'll check that out, cheers. |
| 01:58.40 | sixty6murph | oh, right. thought that was from yourself jello. |
| 01:59.04 | jello | you may need the firmware though... |
| 02:00.23 | sixty6murph | jello: ok. have the source, got bogged down in ipw2200 INSTALL file. i'll install the firmware, see what happens... |
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| 02:02.53 | sixty6murph | jello: ieee80211 module is in the kernel. suggest i remove/rebuild? |
| 02:02.55 | stoned | hey there jello |
| 02:03.23 | jello | sixty6murph: nah, try using it as is |
| 02:03.30 | the_darkside_986 | oops i found out my password problem: date and time have to be set to proper correct time... now i just have to figure that out and i'll be set |
| 02:03.42 | jello | if you run into trouble with your hardware, then maybe update |
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| 02:03.46 | jello | the_darkside_986: hwclock |
| 02:04.10 | jello | the_darkside_986: and run ntp so you don't have to do it again |
| 02:04.22 | stoned | the_darkside_986: what was the password problem? |
| 02:04.40 | the_darkside_986 | having to reset everytime i login |
| 02:04.56 | the_darkside_986 | i looked it up. something weird with my particular hardware setup |
| 02:04.57 | stoned | I remember, what was the fix/problem |
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| 02:05.33 | jello | the_darkside_986: then use ntpdate so it's done automatically |
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| 02:05.56 | jello | !greet stoned |
| 02:05.57 | dpkg | Gr33tz, stoned |
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| 02:06.13 | stoned | seriously this bot kicks ass |
| 02:06.33 | rjent | Greetings, do I need a partition on a drive or if I only want as a data drive can I just remove all partitions and format the device say /dev/sda? |
| 02:07.07 | enouf | you don't need partitions on a HDD |
| 02:07.28 | jello | rjent: i would recommend using LVM |
| 02:07.31 | sixty6murph | jello: if ieee80211 firmware and ipw2100 module are in kernel already, would adapter not show up in iwconfig, or is there a step missing? |
| 02:07.42 | jello | then you can resize/add/shift to your heart's delight |
| 02:08.05 | jello | sixty6murph: is the module loaded? lsmod | grep ipw |
| 02:08.09 | the_darkside_986 | i set the hardware clock with hwclock but the `date` command still shows the wrong output |
| 02:08.28 | jello | the_darkside_986: you need to sync the system clock from the hw clock |
| 02:08.30 | weiles_ | do you get this for every error or does this error repeats itself: Device: /dev/hda, 10 Offline uncorrectable sectors? |
| 02:08.36 | the_darkside_986 | how do i sync them? |
| 02:08.41 | weiles_ | i get plenty of them in /var/log/daemon.log |
| 02:08.51 | jello | the_darkside_986: hwclock -s |
| 02:09.21 | jello | or --hctosys |
| 02:09.34 | jello | hwclock(8) has all the details :) |
| 02:10.04 | rjent | enouf: so I can just format /dev/sda as ext3 and go on? |
| 02:10.12 | sixty6murph | jello: this may be the problem - modules ipw2200 and 2100 are loaded |
| 02:10.21 | weiles_ | i get this disk errors for quite some time now, but nothing else happens, a long smartd self test completed without error |
| 02:10.33 | rjent | jello: I do not know much about LVM |
| 02:10.47 | simonrvn | jello: hello mr |
| 02:11.10 | enouf | rjent: sure |
| 02:11.16 | jello | simonrvn: hello, i've seemed to ignore you, but that was not my intention... |
| 02:11.29 | jello | !tell rjent about LVM |
| 02:11.37 | simonrvn | jello: eh? i don't feel ignored :) |
| 02:11.51 | the_darkside_986 | well, at least i fixed my root password with chage, but my normal user account keeps wanting a new password even though i chage'd it the same way |
| 02:12.11 | the_darkside_986 | and i logged out and re-logged in too |
| 02:12.17 | jello | simonrvn: oh sorry, not you... nm |
| 02:12.29 | jello | the_darkside_986: chage |
| 02:12.44 | simonrvn | :) |
| 02:13.28 | the_darkside_986 | wait now i got it. i couldn't chage myself from su. i had to do a full root login :P |
| 02:13.34 | weiles_ | i get those at least since january, so this seems to be quite useless information (otherwise my disk would have had failed already if i have more than a zillion uncorrectable errors...) |
| 02:13.38 | the_darkside_986 | thanks everyone for helping. i like my debian system now |
| 02:13.51 | rjent | jello: :) |
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| 02:14.07 | rjent | enouf: thanks and that is simple enough |
| 02:14.57 | jello | weiles_: hope you have good backups... |
| 02:15.09 | jello | that are done and verified regularly |
| 02:15.37 | sixty6murph | jello: would both ipw2200 and ipw2100 in kernel cause the adapter not to work? |
| 02:16.09 | jello | sixty6murph: dunno |
| 02:16.23 | jello | sixty6murph: rmmod is your friend |
| 02:16.34 | stoned | jello: rmmod is not your friend anymore |
| 02:16.39 | stoned | rmmod went to bed |
| 02:16.48 | stoned | jello: we use modprobe -r now |
| 02:16.58 | stoned | !rmmod |
| 02:16.58 | dpkg | it has been said that rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
| 02:16.59 | sixty6murph | that was very inconsiderate of rmmod |
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| 02:17.41 | sixty6murph | grand, i'm gonna reboot cause been doing all sorts of upgrade for the past few hours.see if that helps... |
| 02:17.45 | rjent | On another topic, I am trying to integrate a debian lenny system to an OpenLDAP server and I have user accounts and groups showing up with getent passwd and getent group, but authentication is not working. I am sure I do not have something in pam.d setup correct. Could someone help me on a link of what I need to setup? |
| 02:17.52 | stoned | good luck |
| 02:17.54 | jello | stoned: gee, when did that happen? |
| 02:18.02 | stoned | jello: I am not sure |
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| 02:18.14 | stoned | I myself found out recently |
| 02:18.24 | stoned | I read about it, something about rmmod not cleaning some shit up |
| 02:18.25 | enouf | 2.4 -> 2.6 |
| 02:18.26 | jello | stoned: does it do dependancies to? |
| 02:18.28 | stoned | I don't know |
| 02:18.31 | enouf | Jannita: yes |
| 02:18.35 | enouf | jello: yes |
| 02:18.38 | stoned | jello: its modprobe, yes |
| 02:18.39 | enouf | that's why |
| 02:18.44 | jello | ah, that's good then |
| 02:18.48 | enouf | see man modules.dep |
| 02:18.53 | stoned | hi enouf |
| 02:19.03 | enouf | stoned: hola |
| 02:19.06 | stoned | que pasa |
| 02:19.08 | enouf | o/ |
| 02:19.16 | stoned | what is that o/? |
| 02:19.19 | enouf | that was a wave |
| 02:19.22 | stoned | oh |
| 02:19.28 | stoned | haha |
| 02:19.41 | enouf | no wonder why i hardly ever use it, heh |
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| 02:19.45 | haole | how do i disable Tray Icons? cause when remove the notification applet from the panel, the apps that i click on the close button just disappear without closing! their processes remain there... any solutions on this one? |
| 02:19.50 | weiles_ | jello: i hope so, too ;-) |
| 02:20.42 | stoned | man you know what I should setup some text replacement, turn smilies into smiley chars.. I'm sure extended charset has some smilies |
| 02:20.46 | weiles_ | i have at least 8525 uncorrectable errors due to my logs back to jan 25th. |
| 02:20.55 | weiles_ | does this make sense? |
| 02:21.32 | stoned | Wizo: ? |
| 02:21.36 | stoned | er.. weiles_ |
| 02:22.00 | stoned | !ldap |
| 02:22.01 | dpkg | [ldap] TYPE /join #LDAP NOW! or a Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
| 02:22.02 | weiles_ | how much is a sector? |
| 02:22.29 | stoned | rjent: try #ldap too |
| 02:23.08 | stoned | !slapd |
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| 02:24.23 | weiles_ | mmh a first estimation would say that my loss is at least 4.36 mb... |
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| 02:25.35 | weiles_ | i am just not sure how trust-worthy the smartd information is... |
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| 02:26.00 | weiles_ | otherwise i would mirror the disk and buy a new one... |
| 02:26.15 | burdicda | anyone in here ever use uck or reconstructor ?? |
| 02:26.33 | weiles_ | maybe it will live on for years... |
| 02:26.38 | rjent | dpkg and stoned: thanks |
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| 02:27.42 | JordiGH | Hm, I think why my DVD playback was skipping. DMA got disabled. What could possibly disable DMA? |
| 02:28.02 | sixty6murph | jello: well reboot didn't work, ipw80211 and ieee80211 are loaded. what was that channel you mentioned ipw2200? |
| 02:29.04 | sixty6murph | i think it's as much my lack of understanding of kernel and module fundamentals as anything else, so i'll get up to speed on that first :) |
| 02:29.17 | stoned | rjent: I've not used ldap I don't know much about it |
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| 02:29.32 | stoned | sixty6murph: kernelnewbies |
| 02:29.33 | jello | sixty6murph: one second, what WNIC is it? |
| 02:29.38 | stoned | google for that |
| 02:30.09 | sixty6murph | you mean model/make? intel pro wireless 2915abg |
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| 02:31.15 | abrotman | rjent: don't you want the pam_ldap stuff ? |
| 02:31.45 | sixty6murph | thinkpad t43 btw - i hear they're troublesome for debian so thought i'd mention it. |
| 02:31.48 | jello | sixty6murph: okay, so you want ipw2200, not 2100 |
| 02:31.59 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 02:31.59 | dpkg | somebody said laptop was All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 02:32.40 | sixty6murph | jello: ipw2200 is loaded |
| 02:32.42 | jsubl2 | sixty6murph: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi has some good info |
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| 02:33.41 | sixty6murph | !thinkpad |
| 02:33.41 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki, or some may also restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html, or <mwavem> |
| 02:33.53 | jello | sixty6murph: http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
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| 02:34.56 | rjent | abortman: yes indeed, but I am appreciative on any ideas since I am stuck. |
| 02:35.07 | rjent | abrotman: yes indeed, but I am appreciative on any ideas since I am stuck. |
| 02:35.15 | abrotman | !info libpam-ldap etch |
| 02:35.20 | dpkg | libpam-ldap: (Pluggable Authentication Module allowing LDAP interfaces), section admin, is extra. Version: 180-1.7 (etch), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 352 kB |
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| 02:38.04 | sixty6murph | jello: many thanks for your help, i'll check that out. |
| 02:38.56 | sixty6murph | i can see myself spending a lot of time at kernelnewbies and wiki.debian, cheers. |
| 02:39.03 | enouf | sixty6murph: after all others, debian specific (last ditched effort > ipw2200.sf.net i guess), but really, those work fine in debian, iinm |
| 02:39.24 | RedLizard | what exactly does the debian installer mean with the "standard system" package set i can select during installation? |
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| 02:40.22 | sixty6murph | enouf: indeed. funnily enough, it was getting thoroughlly (thats not how you spell that!) confused with the ipw2200 INSTALL doc that brought me here in the first plac! |
| 02:41.11 | abrotman | RedLizard: packages with a priority of Standard |
| 02:41.23 | enouf | sixty6murph: hehe ;-) and "thoroughlly" is very close , "thoroughly" is correct |
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| 02:42.13 | enouf | sixty6murph: well, all i can say is; i hope you're using Debian and not a Based-on-Debian variant |
| 02:42.17 | RedLizard | abrotman: is there an easy way i can depend on that set? |
| 02:42.34 | abrotman | RedLizard: you can depend ? |
| 02:43.20 | sixty6murph | enouf: and i thought my spelling was good! debian only, and my next task after this is installing it on a cobalt raq4! |
| 02:43.48 | RedLizard | abrotman: i want my custom package to depend on those packages |
| 02:44.23 | abrotman | RedLizard: oh .. i'm not sure if a package can depend on a task |
| 02:44.46 | abrotman | RedLizard: `aptitude search ~pstandard` will show packages with a standard priority |
| 02:45.36 | RedLizard | abrotman: any command line tools that can do the same? |
| 02:45.46 | abrotman | that is command line |
| 02:45.53 | abrotman | try it |
| 02:46.19 | RedLizard | abrotman: ooh, nice |
| 02:47.32 | simonrvn | enouf, abrotman: hello mr.s |
| 02:47.48 | abrotman | i'm a guy! |
| 02:48.07 | enouf | simonrvn: hola |
| 02:48.09 | simonrvn | mr., plural, silly |
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| 02:53.26 | paul--- | i want to rate limit by IP and monitor bw by IP where 5 IPs are aliased to the one interface |
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| 02:53.59 | simonrvn | i'm covered in plaster and primer. we were doing up the walls in the centre... and took down the main desk. place feels a lot better without it, and starting to look nice with the almost done paint job :) |
| 02:54.19 | paul--- | i was thinking about using tun devices to add each ip to a different tun evice, and do it via that |
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| 02:55.15 | simonrvn | why not use QoS and eth bridging? |
| 02:56.04 | simonrvn | less processes to deal with for one thing |
| 02:56.28 | paul--- | eth bridging? |
| 02:56.50 | simonrvn | ethernet bridge |
| 02:57.09 | simonrvn | then use ebtables to set the marks for qos |
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| 02:57.25 | paul--- | snmp is the issue i.e i added the ips via eth0:1 :2 bt snmp will only provide stats for the complete interfcace |
| 02:57.40 | paul--- | ebtables - you've lost me - is there a decent howto anywhere? |
| 02:57.49 | roe_ | anyone use firehol here? |
| 02:57.54 | simonrvn | yes, that's normal, they're just aliases |
| 02:58.03 | simonrvn | lartc.org and netfilter.org |
| 02:58.15 | paul--- | tahnkyou i will read |
| 02:59.46 | paul--- | ahh lartc.org is the site that i read previously, it got me wayy confused with the tc command :/ |
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| 03:03.27 | Taco | o.o |
| 03:03.28 | inv_arp[] | running etch.. need to install eclipse 3.3.0+0728-8.. but it is in lenny/sid how can i install? (cant find in backports) |
| 03:04.48 | wols_ | !tell inv_arp[] about simple sid backport |
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| 03:05.55 | eljefe | does anyone know an inexpensive MP3 player which: (1) is easy to navigate, (2) plays m3u (playlist) files, (3) can just work in linux like a USB drive, and (4) is cheap and still on the market? |
| 03:06.14 | GarethMarsh1985 | does anyone have experience with installing linux from a hdd using nothing but the hdd? |
| 03:06.24 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:06.24 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 03:06.32 | abrotman | there;s a section about hd-media |
| 03:07.15 | GarethMarsh1985 | anychance it will have info on booting an from an iso? |
| 03:07.50 | liable | you can use the hd-media kernel and an iso image for source |
| 03:08.32 | GarethMarsh1985 | reading now |
| 03:09.16 | GarethMarsh1985 | this is my first install of linux so I have no idea how to use the "hd-media kernel" |
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| 03:09.50 | liable | so its a windows box with no net connection? |
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| 03:10.36 | GarethMarsh1985 | it has a net connection |
| 03:10.50 | liable | no cdrom? |
| 03:10.55 | GarethMarsh1985 | but I want to learn how to install from a hdd |
| 03:11.02 | GarethMarsh1985 | I've burnt the iso to dvd |
| 03:11.13 | GarethMarsh1985 | it's for curiosity's sake |
| 03:11.30 | sixty6murph | jello: thanks for your help with that, got it up and running. its 3am here so away with me. |
| 03:11.44 | liable | GarethMarsh1985: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 03:11.55 | spaceracoonlady | i'd like to use sonata without all the gnome "dependecies" or whatever they are, but HOW¿ |
| 03:12.08 | sixty6murph | [jello et al.] :) |
| 03:12.23 | GarethMarsh1985 | is this the method that installs to a file? |
| 03:12.43 | GarethMarsh1985 | because I'd like to install to an ext3 partition from another ext partition |
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| 03:12.48 | wols_ | GarethMarsh1985: no |
| 03:12.57 | GarethMarsh1985 | cool |
| 03:13.15 | liable | you already have a linux system on the drive? |
| 03:13.21 | GarethMarsh1985 | well hopefully you guys will still be here when I get back :) |
| 03:13.23 | rking | spaceracoonlady: i only see the sonata package depending on the gtk libs, which don't bring in all of gnome afaik |
| 03:13.28 | GarethMarsh1985 | drive is empty |
| 03:13.38 | GarethMarsh1985 | going to partition with partition magic |
| 03:13.39 | spaceracoonlady | i am using sid |
| 03:13.46 | spaceracoonlady | makes this a difference? |
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| 03:14.26 | rking | spaceracoonlady: i'm on testing, which is a version behind sid... but i can't imagine it being much different. what dependencies, exactly, are you wanting to avoid? |
| 03:14.42 | spaceracoonlady | the gnome DE |
| 03:14.46 | spaceracoonlady | i do not want it |
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| 03:15.15 | dhuv | hello all. I am trying to use parted but am having some problems even after reading the man page and online help |
| 03:15.18 | spaceracoonlady | i intend to using sonata because of lightweightness~~ |
| 03:15.25 | spaceracoonlady | ^^ |
| 03:15.36 | rking | spaceracoonlady: when you do `aptitude install sonata`, it offers to install gnome-session, etc ? |
| 03:15.37 | spaceracoonlady | but still within GUI |
| 03:15.46 | spaceracoonlady | exactly yes it does |
| 03:16.09 | dhuv | does anybody know enough about the utiltiy to help me understand why it will not create partitions above 1300GB |
| 03:16.13 | spaceracoonlady | or wait |
| 03:16.19 | spaceracoonlady | sonata is in need of mpd |
| 03:16.24 | spaceracoonlady | may it is mpds fault |
| 03:16.31 | spaceracoonlady | ^^ i d k |
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| 03:16.49 | spaceracoonlady | rking: possibly |
| 03:16.51 | rking | spaceracoonlady: i don't think so... mpd seems to only depend on a bunch of libs |
| 03:17.00 | spaceracoonlady | rking: ok |
| 03:17.40 | spaceracoonlady | is there a gui alternative for sonata? |
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| 03:17.57 | ggbs | is there a well known site where you can get iso discs shipped |
| 03:18.09 | spaceracoonlady | ubuntu.com |
| 03:18.11 | spaceracoonlady | ^^ |
| 03:18.14 | Superbartt | what's wrong with downloading them? :p |
| 03:18.32 | ggbs | i like the professional cd look |
| 03:18.43 | liable | GarethMarsh1985: go to debian.org, they have a page that mentions where you can buy them |
| 03:18.47 | liable | ggbs: ^^^ |
| 03:18.50 | ggbs | but really, my internet is slow. |
| 03:19.05 | ggbs | what about a centralized site that has a wide selection? |
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| 03:19.22 | GarethMarsh1985 | buy what? |
| 03:19.30 | ggbs | just the cd |
| 03:19.36 | th0ger_ifa | Is it possible to see which programs are/has been swapping to my disk? |
| 03:19.41 | Superbartt | why would you need anything other than the debian cd? :P |
| 03:19.48 | ggbs | lol |
| 03:20.04 | ggbs | i figured you guys would say that |
| 03:20.16 | rking | th0ger_ifa: hopefully someone can answer that, i've wanted that for a long time. sort of like `top` but for disk i/o, which is more of a threat to performance than CPU in my experience |
| 03:20.18 | Superbartt | it's simple logics :p |
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| 03:20.44 | rking | spaceracoonlady: if you're concerned about disk space, then you might as well just use a command-line client |
| 03:21.04 | rking | spaceracoonlady: like xmms2 + nyello or something |
| 03:21.05 | spaceracoonlady | rking ncmpc |
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| 03:21.16 | spaceracoonlady | ok |
| 03:21.18 | rking | spaceracoonlady: sure |
| 03:21.37 | rking | spaceracoonlady: but even if gnome-panel and friends are installed, you don't have to run them on your desktop--that's all up to your X session |
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| 03:21.50 | th0ger_ifa | rking: Yeah, something that can show how much space is allocated for each process. Anyone??? |
| 03:21.54 | ggbs | you guys ever hear of osdisc.com |
| 03:21.59 | liable | GarethMarsh1985: dont msg people please. that message wasnt for you, sorry, it was for ggbs |
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| 03:22.09 | GarethMarsh1985 | sry |
| 03:22.12 | spaceracoonlady | rking: thank you |
| 03:22.12 | rking | th0ger_ifa: wait, you just mean how much memory is allocated? |
| 03:22.34 | th0ger_ifa | perhaps |
| 03:22.53 | rking | th0ger_ifa: use top then hit M |
| 03:22.59 | th0ger_ifa | My swap is 50% full and i want to know which program did that |
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| 03:23.12 | ggbs | what is the site that is called something like linuxiso |
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| 03:23.54 | liable | ggbs: dont you have a web browser that can use google? |
| 03:24.26 | th0ger_ifa | rking: doesnt the M column in top only show mem (and not swap)? |
| 03:24.42 | ggbs | i was hoping to hear of popular sites |
| 03:24.54 | ggbs | amoung you guys |
| 03:25.10 | liable | ggbs: i think most people just download |
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| 03:26.07 | rking | th0ger_ifa: hit 'o' and then dink around with the sort order... there's lots of stuff (see manpage) |
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| 03:26.58 | Spiritus55 | I need a basic image editing program.. |
| 03:27.02 | Spiritus55 | Anyone have something? |
| 03:27.09 | Spiritus55 | tuxpaint was my first program, but... |
| 03:27.12 | Spiritus55 | It sucked. |
| 03:27.14 | rking | Spiritus55: gimp |
| 03:27.22 | Spiritus55 | Just very very very basic image manipulation. |
| 03:27.27 | Spiritus55 | NOT Gimp.. |
| 03:27.27 | rking | Spiritus55: or inkscape, preferrably (vector > raster) |
| 03:27.28 | Spiritus55 | Too big. |
| 03:27.36 | Spiritus55 | inkscape? |
| 03:27.40 | Spiritus55 | Smaller than gimp? |
| 03:27.47 | elijahlofgren | Spiritus55: if you use KDE, I like KoulorPaint |
| 03:27.56 | rking | inkscape is probably comparable in size to gimp |
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| 03:28.01 | Spiritus55 | GNOME.. |
| 03:28.10 | amphi | Spiritus55: what do you want to do? |
| 03:28.19 | spaceracoonlady | Spiritus55: why do you enter~ after every word |
| 03:28.21 | Spiritus55 | Just like mspaint, but for linux.. |
| 03:28.27 | stoned | amphi: great success |
| 03:28.36 | Spiritus55 | spaceracoonlady, I don't think I am.. |
| 03:28.56 | stoned | amphi: got any good beautification tips for compiz |
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| 03:29.22 | amphi | stoned: I made my own hideous emerald theme ;) |
| 03:29.30 | stoned | let me see |
| 03:29.40 | Coweater | Spiritus55: gpaint, mtpaint, tkpaint, xpaint |
| 03:29.51 | Spiritus55 | gpaint? |
| 03:29.53 | Spiritus55 | I'll look. |
| 03:29.54 | Spiritus55 | Thanks. |
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| 03:35.14 | Taco | o.o; |
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| 03:35.46 | subsume_ | Does anyone suppose a dist-upgrade of debian should hang for 15 minutes on squid? |
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| 03:36.32 | spaceracoonlady | within sid I get segmentation faults while trying to execute the newest "Wesnoth"; is this common¿ |
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| 03:39.14 | stoned | chicago.ttf is non-free? |
| 03:39.43 | spaceracoonlady | alcapone.ttf |
| 03:42.08 | dclarke | question that _may_ be off topic. I have compiled a software package ( GNUtar 1.19 ) and then executed the testsuites with "make check". Some of the tests were skipped for reasons unknown. Is there some obvious linux-like way to get those test to be performed also ? Is this sort of thing .. common knowledge in the linux world ? |
| 03:42.47 | simonrvn | spaceracoonlady: BTS (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 03:43.57 | gonzaloaf | hi do you know why I receive this message when try to connect to a ssh server? '$SSH_AUTH_SOCK points to /tmp/ssh-pJmto22270/agent.22270, but it does not exist!' |
| 03:44.32 | jello | gonzaloaf: your ssh-agent died? |
| 03:45.00 | spaceracoonlady | simonrvn: good idea^^ |
| 03:45.00 | rking | dclarke: you're going to have to go digging. look in .config* to see if there's some log info that explains more... or else you're down to digging through Makefile's and whatnot |
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| 03:45.04 | rking | dclarke: also strace |
| 03:45.06 | dclarke | simonrvn : hello. Just an update .. this little ppc machine is running well and I'm building a toolchain with it now |
| 03:45.09 | gonzaloaf | jello, I never used ssh agent |
| 03:45.18 | simonrvn | dclarke: woot :) |
| 03:45.26 | simonrvn | hi |
| 03:45.33 | jello | gonzaloaf: well then just clear the env variable |
| 03:45.39 | jello | strange that it got set though... |
| 03:45.41 | gonzaloaf | jello, ohh ok |
| 03:46.04 | dclarke | simonrvn : I'm always surprised at how much work a little PowerPC chip can do |
| 03:46.25 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 03:46.26 | dclarke | rking : thank you .. I'll go digging |
| 03:46.28 | gonzaloaf | jello, remove it? or clear its value? |
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| 03:46.58 | jello | gonzaloaf: unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK |
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| 03:47.41 | dclarke | simonrvn : is there some well defined process whereby I cna submit packages upstream for the Debian etch powerpc users? A lot of the software seems out of date |
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| 03:48.08 | dclarke | simonrvn : sorry .. wrong channel |
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| 03:48.15 | gonzaloaf | jello, the error continues |
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| 03:49.09 | amphi | stoned: http://picpaste.com/pics/ss_1.1205120906.png - I like things plain ;) |
| 03:49.12 | jello | gonzaloaf: what does echo $SSH_AUTH_SOCK show? |
| 03:49.34 | spaceracoonlady | amphi: ver nice |
| 03:49.39 | gonzaloaf | jello, nothing |
| 03:49.58 | jello | gonzaloaf: you hardcode something into your ~/.ssh/config perhaps? |
| 03:50.04 | spaceracoonlady | y* |
| 03:50.14 | amphi | spaceracoonlady: thanks |
| 03:50.19 | spaceracoonlady | ^^ |
| 03:50.39 | gonzaloaf | jello, nop |
| 03:51.41 | jello | gonzaloaf: hmmm, strange |
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| 03:52.17 | gonzaloaf | jello, btw I use the sshmenu applet |
| 03:52.23 | Taco | 97 on an IQ test. ._.; |
| 03:52.44 | jello | gonzaloaf: try ssh -a |
| 03:52.55 | spaceracoonlady | 7msg nickerv help |
| 03:52.57 | spaceracoonlady | lol |
| 03:53.09 | rking | a typo, i get.. but 7 instead of / ? |
| 03:53.12 | jello | what's sshmenu?? |
| 03:53.35 | gonzaloaf | jello, its a gnome applet |
| 03:53.45 | jello | can't help you there... |
| 03:53.53 | jello | try it from a regular terminal |
| 03:54.33 | jello | or try restarting the applet perhaps |
| 03:55.06 | spaceracoonlady | rking: german keyboard layout yes |
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| 03:56.07 | jello | g'night all |
| 03:56.08 | pablo | hi, how do i know if my system clock is set to gtc or my timezone? |
| 03:56.11 | spaceracoonlady | n8 |
| 03:56.36 | jello | pablo: cat /etc/timezone |
| 03:57.05 | simonrvn | UTC; GMT |
| 03:57.28 | pablo | jello: there it says my timezone |
| 03:57.39 | simonrvn | duh |
| 03:57.48 | pablo | is it recommended to set my system clock to gmt? |
| 03:58.22 | simonrvn | i only do it on servers |
| 03:58.35 | simonrvn | that's personal i guess |
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| 03:58.53 | jello | pablo: if you're not running windows on the same hardware, then yes |
| 03:59.22 | pablo | jello: ok, how do i do it? |
| 03:59.40 | suwro | hello - I have a problem with mysql - It seems I can't connect to it from oter ip, firewall is off, bind is on external ip - what am i missing? |
| 03:59.40 | jello | my rule is if it will dual boot microsoft it gets localtime, otherwise gmt |
| 03:59.49 | spaceracoonlady | rking: http://carbon.cudenver.edu/~tphillip/german-keyboard-a.jpg |
| 03:59.56 | spaceracoonlady | ^^ |
| 04:00.20 | pablo | jello: debian is the only os i use, how do i set it to gmt? |
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| 04:00.33 | simonrvn | !tzconfig |
| 04:00.33 | dpkg | from memory, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
| 04:01.06 | simonrvn | pablo: ^^^ |
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| 04:04.30 | rking | spaceracoonlady: aha, thanks. |
| 04:04.37 | pablo | simonrvn: ok, i have it on utc, but i dont really know the difference |
| 04:04.56 | pablo | simonrvn: the hwclock and date show my local time |
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| 04:08.16 | ianweller | hi, i've packaged some software for fedora, and the developer of the upstream has asked me to find a maintainer for debian. is anyone interested and/or where else could i ask |
| 04:08.25 | fisxoj | hello, my laptop is suspending even when on AC power, though it's not supposed to |
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| 04:10.12 | niru | I have a pdf file |
| 04:10.23 | niru | which has chinese charatcters |
| 04:10.38 | niru | I am unable to view both the chinese and english sentences in the pdf file |
| 04:10.47 | niru | I opened it using evince viewer |
| 04:10.55 | niru | how to make it readable |
| 04:11.08 | pablo | simonrvn: ok, i have it on utc, but i dont really understand the difference (hwclock and date show both my local time) |
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| 04:11.51 | simonrvn | hwclock is to do stuff with the HardWare Clock |
| 04:11.56 | simonrvn | man it |
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| 04:14.06 | pablo | simonrvn: ok, so what is the difference between using utc and the localtime? i dont really get it |
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| 04:17.31 | pablo | simonrvn: nothing, i got it |
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| 04:17.55 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
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| 04:18.21 | spaceracoonlady | hi _pepo_ |
| 04:18.39 | _pepo_ | I need to make a video conferencing, Which application do you recommend me to obtain a good quality? |
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| 04:24.46 | cast | evening |
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| 04:25.26 | jimm | I understand spicerack and lady... what's oon? |
| 04:26.14 | jimm | oh wait, must have misread |
| 04:26.23 | cast | racooooooooooooooooon city |
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| 04:27.07 | ianweller | is anybody in here a package maintainer for debian willing to take on another package? |
| 04:27.57 | cast | there's a procedure for getting a package into debian |
| 04:28.57 | ianweller | i know. however i don't necessarily have the time, and i've already packaged it for fedora, and the upstream developer wanted me to find someone to package it |
| 04:29.19 | ianweller | it's not a complex package at all |
| 04:29.20 | jimm | you could either try to become a maint (that's a long way to get your package in), or you could post an RFP on that package to debian-devel@lists.debian.org |
| 04:29.28 | ianweller | ok. |
| 04:29.36 | jimm | is it just imaginary then? |
| 04:29.46 | ianweller | define RFP |
| 04:29.46 | ianweller | oh wait. |
| 04:29.50 | ianweller | request for package |
| 04:29.56 | jimm | yeah |
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| 04:30.59 | jimm | you might either look at some examples on the list, try to find info on how it's formatted in one of the maintainer manuals, or... |
| 04:31.00 | jimm | both |
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| 04:32.43 | jimm | oh, just remembered two resources that may interest you: |
| 04:33.04 | jimm | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.23 | jimm | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.16 | ianweller | k |
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| 04:34.46 | jimm | all this is offered to you on the chance you don't find what you're looking for here |
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| 04:35.50 | ianweller | thanks |
| 04:35.55 | jimm | welcome :) |
| 04:36.13 | jimm | you can also try #debian-devel here or at oftc |
| 04:36.34 | jimm | probably that should be your last resort |
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| 04:46.10 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 04:46.20 | mynullvoid | is there any unzip in GUI? |
| 04:46.40 | mynullvoid | I am using enlightenment so I am looking for zip handler |
| 04:46.57 | jimm | find zipper, pull down, wait... what can be more graphic than that?! |
| 04:47.03 | grendal_prime | anyone know of a decent front end tool for managing nfs shares? |
| 04:47.10 | grendal_prime | sorry exports? |
| 04:47.32 | stoned | mynullvoid: I use ark/kde, file-roller/gnome |
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| 04:48.01 | stoned | ark kinda sucks, file-roller is better. |
| 04:48.09 | jimm | mynullvoid: you -could- get more into the command line... |
| 04:48.17 | spaceracoonlady | so i installed wesnoth to play it within my xfce DE |
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| 04:48.37 | stoned | !cookie spaceracoonlady |
| 04:48.38 | dpkg | Hey stoned, is |
| 04:48.43 | spaceracoonlady | could not because fo rany reason i got a lot of segmentation faults |
| 04:48.52 | spaceracoonlady | then i installed kde |
| 04:49.00 | spaceracoonlady | and now i can run wesnoth |
| 04:49.08 | jimm | no more segfaults? |
| 04:49.20 | spaceracoonlady | so wenoth must have some missing dependencies or whatever they are called in debian sid |
| 04:49.23 | spaceracoonlady | yes |
| 04:49.32 | stoned | well dude you are using sid |
| 04:49.35 | stoned | you're on your own really |
| 04:49.36 | spaceracoonlady | yes |
| 04:49.39 | spaceracoonlady | (: |
| 04:49.41 | jimm | you're a brave racoon to run sid |
| 04:49.42 | stoned | I hope you got listbugs and listchanges |
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| 04:50.03 | mynullvoid | I am using enlightenment |
| 04:50.10 | stoned | I have 1 sid, 2 lenny, 3 etch, open bsd, windows xp, os 9.1 |
| 04:50.15 | stoned | :D |
| 04:50.26 | jimm | what's the sid for? |
| 04:50.38 | jimm | out of interest/curiousity |
| 04:50.41 | spaceracoonlady | braveness |
| 04:50.44 | stoned | laptop/development/debugging |
| 04:50.53 | mynullvoid | I tried to look for zipper but it's quite big |
| 04:50.58 | stoned | packaging etc. |
| 04:51.11 | stoned | mynullvoid: I just told you |
| 04:51.12 | jimm | did you get ddized? |
| 04:51.18 | stoned | mynullvoid: I use ark/kde, file-roller/gnome |
| 04:51.22 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 04:51.31 | ianweller | jimm: is this a good example of a request -- http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/02/msg00256.html -- and i just email that to submit@bugs.debian.org, right? |
| 04:51.32 | mynullvoid | I am not using kde nor gnome |
| 04:51.40 | mynullvoid | I use enlightenment |
| 04:51.47 | stoned | mynullvoid: I don't know of any other gui archivers |
| 04:52.13 | jimm | what's the floss exception? |
| 04:52.28 | jimm | that looks good to me |
| 04:53.39 | jimm | I do not use the kde, and I don't use the gnome... |
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| 04:53.53 | spaceracoonlady | kde sux |
| 04:53.56 | spaceracoonlady | gnome sux |
| 04:54.02 | jimm | I don't use a spaceship so I won't be phoning home... |
| 04:54.17 | spaceracoonlady | spaceshipp sux |
| 04:54.23 | spaceracoonlady | -p* |
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| 04:55.26 | spaceracoonlady | sad that you have to install either gnome or kde to get a usable desktop in debian |
| 04:55.56 | jimm | spaceracoonlady: my idea of a usable desktop: room to put lots of xterms! |
| 04:56.04 | ianweller | jimm: :D |
| 04:56.21 | mynullvoid | well I love enlightenment |
| 04:56.24 | spaceracoonlady | and still you have installed either one or both of them |
| 04:56.43 | spaceracoonlady | because of the dependencies hell or what it is called |
| 04:56.43 | mynullvoid | yo lady I don't use any of them |
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| 04:56.52 | jimm | and fvwm or sawfish, because you can grab any edge of a window and send it down or to the top |
| 04:57.53 | jimm | well I had used gnome for a few years... and did a pptppTPPT on kde because qt was still not free |
| 04:58.25 | jimm | but I have kde now, and I've been using it for just under a year |
| 04:58.27 | spaceracoonlady | pptpptptpt what? |
| 04:58.40 | spaceracoonlady | qt ("cute") is so ugly |
| 04:58.45 | jimm | to kde, well to libqt |
| 04:58.54 | jimm | qt is a lib :P |
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| 04:59.32 | spaceracoonlady | i cannot use sonata whithout gnome |
| 04:59.33 | jimm | I think I'd pronounce "qt" as koot if I had to |
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| 04:59.40 | spaceracoonlady | cannot play wesnoth without kde |
| 04:59.42 | spaceracoonlady | super |
| 04:59.44 | jimm | what's sonata |
| 04:59.44 | spaceracoonlady | ! |
| 04:59.49 | spaceracoonlady | mpd client gui |
| 05:00.20 | jimm | what's wesnoth |
| 05:00.28 | spaceracoonlady | a game |
| 05:00.39 | jimm | hmm, any good? |
| 05:00.44 | spaceracoonlady | yes |
| 05:00.48 | spaceracoonlady | the only one i play |
| 05:00.56 | spaceracoonlady | wesnoth.org |
| 05:00.58 | jimm | I play doom |
| 05:01.01 | jimm | and solitare |
| 05:01.07 | spaceracoonlady | but it is for children and pedophiles only |
| 05:01.17 | spaceracoonlady | i once was used to play duke nukem3d |
| 05:01.22 | spaceracoonlady | i loved it |
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| 05:01.52 | jimm | just a sec, there's a logical conclusion you probably didn't intend from your posts here :) |
| 05:02.10 | spaceracoonlady | ¿ |
| 05:02.30 | jimm | you just implied you're either a child or a pedophile |
| 05:02.34 | spaceracoonlady | yes |
| 05:02.37 | spaceracoonlady | i am the child |
| 05:02.48 | jimm | at heart? |
| 05:02.51 | spaceracoonlady | sure |
| 05:03.34 | spaceracoonlady | in fact i hate wesnoth |
| 05:03.46 | jimm | now you have me -really- curious |
| 05:03.52 | spaceracoonlady | because it based¿ up on a random.. number generator |
| 05:03.55 | spaceracoonlady | much luck |
| 05:04.18 | jimm | so... |
| 05:04.23 | spaceracoonlady | you cannot really calculate your success~~ |
| 05:04.25 | spaceracoonlady | ^^ |
| 05:04.28 | spaceracoonlady | me no inglish |
| 05:04.51 | jimm | you willing to hear my curiousity? |
| 05:04.55 | spaceracoonlady | no |
| 05:05.47 | spaceracoonlady | jimm: when i go from xserver |
| 05:05.50 | spaceracoonlady | oupala |
| 05:06.04 | spaceracoonlady | when i change from x to console |
| 05:06.42 | spaceracoonlady | all my console colours are changing to complimentary~¿ colours |
| 05:06.44 | spaceracoonlady | why? |
| 05:06.53 | spaceracoonlady | blue becomes yellow |
| 05:06.58 | spaceracoonlady | white becomes dark |
| 05:06.58 | jimm | private color maps? |
| 05:07.03 | spaceracoonlady | no |
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| 05:08.31 | spaceracoonlady | whatever it has to be a bug |
| 05:08.32 | spaceracoonlady | ^^ |
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| 05:08.54 | bujin | hi |
| 05:08.58 | spaceracoonlady | HI :D |
| 05:09.21 | bujin | a question somebody knows what repository can i use to install boswars? |
| 05:09.35 | bujin | hello |
| 05:10.17 | jimm | spaceracoonlady: you do understand the console is text only |
| 05:10.30 | spaceracoonlady | jimm sure^^ |
| 05:10.51 | spaceracoonlady | there is also a problem with brightness |
| 05:10.55 | spaceracoonlady | and so on |
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| 05:11.37 | fcnguy | help me i am isntallign windows xp out of desperation and it is harrasing me . how do i deal with it or not care about it's harassments |
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| 05:12.38 | jimm | you're listing a lot of things here.., we can deal with them but probably would need a better description of the first one |
| 05:12.48 | bullgard4 | In informatics, there are other other repositories than those which Ubuntu and Debian are using for obtaining program packets. How does one call the Debian repositories more precisely in order to differentiate them from e. g. SQL content repositories and others? |
| 05:13.24 | simonrvn | um, sw repo? :) |
| 05:14.11 | jimm | differentiate them to whom? |
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| 05:14.31 | simonrvn | bullgard4: it's called context. you figure it out from that |
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| 05:15.25 | jimm | simonrvn brings up a good point... so I will add the question: |
| 05:16.04 | jimm | bullgard4, for what purpose do you want to differentiate? are you reading or writing |
| 05:16.37 | bullgard4 | jimm: reading. |
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| 05:16.53 | jimm | so, you're reading for your own information? |
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| 05:18.43 | bujin | how can install borwars in debian etch? |
| 05:22.55 | cast | hmm |
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| 05:32.17 | niru | adobes chinese simplified font is not available in debian |
| 05:32.34 | niru | I am able to see chinese simplified font but that only works for xpdf |
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| 05:38.18 | beardy | Then which is "better". |
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| 05:43.35 | DawnLight | niru: there are some chinese fonts in debian, you know? |
| 05:43.50 | niru | DawnLight, what are thery |
| 05:44.11 | DawnLight | i'll check... |
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| 05:45.35 | DawnLight | niru: seems there are xpdf-chinese-* packages |
| 05:46.02 | niru | DawnLight, yes and that work only for xpdf |
| 05:47.41 | DawnLight | niru: could gs-cjk-resource along with the chinese packages mentioned in the description help? |
| 05:48.05 | niru | DawnLight, I installed but invain |
| 05:48.32 | DawnLight | niru: ttf-arphic-* ? |
| 05:48.54 | niru | DawnLight, let me try |
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| 05:49.53 | DawnLight | niru: and cmap-adobe-gbl |
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| 05:52.31 | DawnLight | niru: try to install and read the debian-zh-faq-* |
| 05:52.41 | niru | DawnLight, ok |
| 05:52.45 | niru | DawnLight, let me try |
| 05:55.18 | AzMoo | Hey, is IceWeasel just a rebranded version of Firefox? |
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| 05:59.28 | niru | DawnLight, It did not work |
| 05:59.35 | cast | AzMoo: pretty much |
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| 06:01.04 | AzMoo | cast: Pretty much? Is there more to it than that? |
| 06:01.46 | cast | AzMoo: less /usr/share/doc/iceweasel/README.Debian |
| 06:03.16 | AzMoo | nice one, thanks :) |
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| 06:05.06 | yiffy_mc_yiffs | can I use netstat to show how many connections each ip is doing? I can't find anything via google |
| 06:05.51 | cast | sure |
| 06:06.20 | yiffy_mc_yiffs | how? |
| 06:06.54 | cast | netstat, grep, wc i imagine |
| 06:06.59 | yiffy_mc_yiffs | When I view my webservers status page if I read good I can count quickly and figure $ip is doing too many connections and ban them but it's getting annoying these kids switch ip so fast :( |
| 06:07.35 | yiffy_mc_yiffs | I tried netstat -ntcp | grep wc just hanging there |
| 06:08.42 | cast | maybe you could do that at a firewall or webserver config level |
| 06:10.12 | yiffy_mc_yiffs | The firewall I'm using is custom, it has packet dropping enabled and I couldn't connect all day finally got into ssh and found out someones been doing tons of connections, I'm enabling webserver access log now and going to drop the site their requesting ~_~ I don't think I can get that into my firewall to block ip;s |
| 06:10.25 | yiffy_mc_yiffs | well not the firewall is custom its iptables with a script to configure it |
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| 06:11.44 | eps | is any one familiar with configuring local_delivery under exim4, debian specifically appears to be broken (the etc_mailname configuration specifically) |
| 06:12.00 | cast | hmm @ http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 Using iptables to rate-limit incoming connections |
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| 06:22.26 | eps | if you delete configuration files for a package how do you force the package to reinstall them? |
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| 06:23.10 | liable | !confmiss |
| 06:23.10 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 06:23.44 | sh4rm4 | is there an apt-command thats shows all installed packages (text mode) |
| 06:25.01 | cast | aptitude search ~i |
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| 06:25.55 | sh4rm4 | thx |
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| 06:30.33 | eps | there is a nice myob like (not as good as though) gtk app though I don't remember the name, it is probably the biggest |
| 06:33.06 | cast | gnucash |
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| 06:43.23 | meru | I've built and installed HAVP, but I can't for the life up me get an antivirus to work with it. HAVP fails with it trys to connect to the antivirus |
| 06:44.37 | cast | [but then i don't have to deal with windows at all] |
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| 06:45.04 | Tapout | is there a way to see why a package was updated? for example, vsftpd on lenny was just updated, I wanna see why .. :) |
| 06:45.20 | cast | Tapout: changelog? |
| 06:45.31 | AzMoo | Any ideas why when I run fc-cache I'm getting "Failed to write cache" for every directory? I can't find anything in the logs that gives me any info. |
| 06:45.43 | Tapout | cast, ya where is the changelog for it .. or whatever |
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| 06:50.01 | troubled | cast: nowadays AV can be just as bad of a backdoor as the software its protecting |
| 06:50.22 | dondelelcaro | Tapout: /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 06:50.42 | AzMoo | Tapout: or http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/v/vsftpd/vsftpd_2.0.5-2/changelog |
| 06:50.47 | dondelelcaro | (if you're running lenny, you should know about changelogs) |
| 06:50.59 | troubled | dondelelcaro: hey you |
| 06:51.09 | dondelelcaro | well, or at least learn about them and a few dozen other things |
| 06:51.27 | dondelelcaro | troubled: sup |
| 06:51.42 | troubled | nada atm |
| 06:53.22 | DawnLight | i've a bluetooth mic/speaker thingy for the car. can it be used as an audio input device via a bluetooth usb dongle? |
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| 06:53.46 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: quite possibly |
| 06:54.41 | DawnLight | interesting |
| 06:54.52 | Tapout | dondelelcaro, that's exactly what I was looking for.. thanks man |
| 06:54.56 | Tapout | thanks Azmo |
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| 06:55.21 | DawnLight | wow, it also has a usb port... i've just attached it! |
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| 06:55.44 | DawnLight | "Invalid product/subclass spec at line 4137" |
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| 07:02.27 | nascentmind | hi. i am not able to get ip addr from dhcp server. i tried dhcpcd and it gets ip easily only after i boot from windows. what might be the problem? |
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| 07:13.00 | drcode | hi all |
| 07:14.07 | pyrohotdog | What's the easiest way to install kde4 on etch? |
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| 07:16.06 | drcode | hi all |
| 07:17.07 | drcode | any one know about freenx |
| 07:17.07 | drcode | I want to use freenx with window like firefox it self |
| 07:17.08 | drcode | I dont want to show the all desktop |
| 07:17.28 | meru | pyrohotdog: can't you just apt the kde base |
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| 07:20.30 | Nyle | I just modified /etc/inputrc to turn off console beeping. How can I load this change without having to reboot? |
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| 07:22.54 | pyrohotdog | meru: that installs kde 3.5 |
| 07:23.17 | drcode_ | is there way to run freenx in window it self |
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| 07:23.25 | drcode_ | not the all desktop |
| 07:23.26 | drcode_ | ?? |
| 07:23.33 | mbroeker | pyrohotdog, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
| 07:23.48 | Nyle | cast: oh well I'll be damned i didn't know that it was a module |
| 07:24.19 | Nyle | cast: modprobe -r pcspkr and then /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist blacklist pcspkr I suppose? |
| 07:24.45 | Nyle | !blacklist |
| 07:24.45 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 07:24.52 | mbroeker | pyrohotdog, but it is better to wait when using etch. |
| 07:25.07 | pyrohotdog | mbroeker: wait? |
| 07:25.17 | Nyle | ahh blacklist.local (wonder why its called .local) |
| 07:26.49 | jelly-home | Nyle: the file name isn't relevant, it could be bazooka fwiw |
| 07:27.04 | mbroeker | Nyle, the name doesnt really matter. the file blacklist will be overwritten by the package mainainers file regularly. so pick up another one. Your local one! |
| 07:27.35 | drcode_ | and help with freenx? |
| 07:27.41 | Nyle | jelly-home: oh I see |
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| 07:28.28 | turneralex | WHat is the DPKG command I would use to find the location of the binaries for a specific application/ |
| 07:28.30 | turneralex | ? |
| 07:28.53 | Nyle | !tell turneralex -about search |
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| 07:29.18 | mbroeker | dpkg -L bash for example, turneralex |
| 07:29.19 | dpkg | ii bash for example, turneralex 2.6-3 mbroeker's private stamp collection |
| 07:29.34 | mbroeker | wtf |
| 07:29.43 | mbroeker | thx dpkg you are my hero bot |
| 07:29.45 | turneralex | hahaha yeah |
| 07:30.16 | Nyle | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 07:30.16 | dpkg | no, stupid nyle |
| 07:30.35 | mbroeker | !karma ++ |
| 07:30.36 | dpkg | ++ has neutral karma |
| 07:30.46 | drcode_ | and ide about freenx? |
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| 07:33.00 | jimm | !info freenx |
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| 07:33.16 | reZo | whenever i boot my debian etch machine, the timestamp is a day a head, how can i make it so this doesn't happen? i change the timestamp using `date -s 'correct time'`, yet it changes back after each reboot. |
| 07:33.26 | jimm | Package 'freenx' does not exist. |
| 07:33.28 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:34.22 | mbroeker | reZo, do you need to set your hwclock? |
| 07:35.19 | reZo | hwclock? what's that |
| 07:35.36 | mbroeker | sudo hwclock for example shows your current bios time |
| 07:35.58 | reZo | ah okay, i'll check it out thanks |
| 07:36.15 | wide | I keep getting errors when using synaptic. Can someone take a look at my sources list and let me know if my debian.org urls are correct? errors, cpu, uname listed in pastebin http://paste.debian.net/50838 |
| 07:37.15 | jimm | reZo: also look into ntp |
| 07:37.30 | reZo | hwclock --show, times out |
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| 07:39.40 | wide | test |
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| 07:40.24 | mbroeker | reZo, that indicates a problem between your current kernel and the bios. either your bios is bad and old, to new and not supported, or you are using a custom kernel |
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| 07:40.37 | AzMoo | Hey, I need python-gtk2 version 2.12. It's in unstable but I'm using stable. Is there a way I can upgrade to it anyway? |
| 07:41.15 | reZo | mbroeker: using a non-custom kernel, and it's a 2 year old laptop, i think the laptop model is about 5 years old |
| 07:41.22 | reZo | sorry, 1 year old laptop |
| 07:41.29 | reZo | 5-ish yaer old model probably though |
| 07:41.57 | reZo | compaq presario c300, |
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| 07:42.09 | mbroeker | reZo, i heard this problem from a friend a few days ago. he was able to solve it with rmmod rtc && hwclock |
| 07:42.41 | reZo | okay thanks, |
| 07:43.11 | mbroeker | reZo, look with lsmod | grep rtc # which module was loaded and remove that particular module |
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| 07:43.43 | wols_ | reZo: hwlcokc --shohwclock --show -directisa |
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| 07:44.49 | reZo | rtc 12372 0 |
| 07:45.34 | reZo | # hwclock --show --directisa |
| 07:45.34 | reZo | Tue 11 Mar 2008 08:45:24 NZDT -0.369609 seconds |
| 07:45.45 | reZo | that's incorrect, it's the 10th today! |
| 07:46.02 | reZo | and yes, that's the time difference which it makes at boot |
| 07:46.05 | mbroeker | that was i said earlier: set your hwclock ! |
| 07:46.12 | reZo | :) |
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| 07:46.22 | wols_ | set your bios clock correctrly |
| 07:46.31 | reZo | thanks, hope it'll work now |
| 07:46.40 | Quibus | Hi |
| 07:47.02 | Quibus | I'm using ntpd, but still my clock is one hour off... What could be wrong?\ |
| 07:47.21 | cast | ntpd won't correct giant errors me thinks |
| 07:47.24 | reZo | and i guess the syntax of hwclock --set is the same as date -s right? |
| 07:47.31 | wols_ | Quibus: timezone |
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| 07:47.42 | reZo | same syntax i mean, |
| 07:47.48 | wols_ | reZo: no |
| 07:47.56 | Quibus | timezone seems to be correct, date says CET and I'm in the Netherlands/Amsterdam timezone |
| 07:48.17 | Quibus | cast: I've seen it correct an hour, should be OK |
| 07:48.22 | reZo | never mind, man gave me the syntax |
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| 07:51.23 | Quibus | So, I'm a bit puzzled... :S |
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| 07:53.19 | cast | Quibus: so is what wols_ said relevent? does date -u say ~0755? |
| 07:53.31 | cast | Quibus: does ntpdate do anything? |
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| 07:55.17 | DawnLight | what file is my microphone? |
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| 07:56.59 | mbroeker | DawnLight, the easiest way is to use /dev/dsp for recording ( old oss, via emu ) |
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| 07:57.28 | DawnLight | mbroeker: do i need a package other then the alsa system? |
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| 07:58.21 | mbroeker | DawnLight, the alsa package itself has tools for recording, too |
| 07:58.40 | mbroeker | it depends on what you want to do |
| 07:58.44 | DawnLight | mbroeker: i'm trying to use lingot to tune my guitar |
| 07:58.46 | AzMoo | So I followed the instructions at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html to set up apt to get packages from both etch and lenny. When I try to upgrade python-gtk2 with `apt-get -t testing install python-gtk2` it wants me to upgrade a billion other packages which I'm assuming had the older version as a dependency. Do I need to upgrade all of those? |
| 07:58.59 | Quibus | $ date -u Mon Mar 10 08:59:06 UTC 2008 |
| 07:59.05 | DawnLight | it needs to know the input file |
| 07:59.14 | DawnLight | using /dev/dsp doesn't work |
| 07:59.14 | Quibus | cast: that's what date -u says |
| 07:59.23 | DawnLight | the mic works, i can hear myself |
| 07:59.49 | Quibus | actually, date -u should give GMT, shouldn't it? |
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| 07:59.58 | mbroeker | DawnLight, recording with alsa is a bit tricky. |
| 08:00.01 | cast | UTC |
| 08:00.05 | Quibus | It gives the actual time here in CET (GMT+1) |
| 08:00.23 | DawnLight | mbroeker: help? |
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| 08:00.38 | jelly-home | Quibus: it gives out UTC here, as it should |
| 08:00.43 | mbroeker | DawnLight, i have a custom asound.conf for my mic |
| 08:00.44 | Quibus | cast: I've seen ntpd change the clock, it went back one hour, but after a reboot I haven't seen that happen again anmore |
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| 08:01.00 | Quibus | isn't UTC the same as GMT? |
| 08:01.15 | cast | no, similar albeiet, GMT is superceded by UTC |
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| 08:01.19 | jelly-home | Quibus: note that "Mon Mar 10 08:59:06 UTC 2008" is one hour off, it's 08:01 UTC now |
| 08:01.48 | wols_ | jelly-home: he has mistakenly set BIOS to be treated as UTC |
| 08:01.48 | Quibus | jelly-home: indeed. How to fix that? It seems that writing the hwclock doesn't work or something |
| 08:01.59 | Quibus | wols_: ? |
| 08:02.09 | wols_ | Quibus: hwclcok --show |
| 08:02.52 | wols_ | and grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 08:03.06 | jelly-home | Quibus: set the correct timezone, set the system clock, adjust /etc/default/rcS UTC= entry depending on whether you boot into windows sometimes or not, then do a hwclock --systohc |
| 08:03.20 | mbroeker | DawnLight, you can try to save this file as /etc/asound.conf [ http://rafb.net/p/Gkloyl11.html ] and restart alsa /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart or so |
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| 08:04.05 | Quibus | This PC also boots Windows indeed |
| 08:04.20 | Quibus | Hmm, hwclock --show gives this: |
| 08:04.25 | Quibus | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 08:04.49 | jelly-home | Quibus: hwclock needs to be run as root? |
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| 08:05.01 | Quibus | Did that |
| 08:05.27 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 08:05.30 | Quibus | UTC=no by the way |
| 08:06.16 | Quibus | jelly-home: so, timezone is correct, system clock should be set by ntp, the UTC=no, is the latter OK if I boot Windows sometimes? |
| 08:06.31 | jelly-home | Quibus: what does "LANG=C date" say? |
| 08:06.36 | AzMoo | Quibus: latter is essential if you boot windows sometimes. |
| 08:06.40 | jelly-home | UTC=no is ok for dualboot |
| 08:07.13 | Quibus | Mon Mar 10 10:07:27 CET 2008 |
| 08:07.21 | wols_ | Quibus: hwclock --show --directisa |
| 08:07.28 | jelly-home | Quibus: your system clock is not set correctly |
| 08:07.43 | cmanns | Need ntpdate :3 |
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| 08:07.48 | Quibus | wols: that works: Mon 10 Mar 2008 09:07:31 AM CET -0.751196 seconds |
| 08:08.20 | Quibus | that seems to be the correct time as well |
| 08:08.45 | jelly-home | so fix the system clock with ntpdate or date -s |
| 08:09.09 | Quibus | shouldn't ntp work as well? |
| 08:09.25 | jelly-home | it apparently does not work! |
| 08:09.50 | Quibus | Installed ntpdate |
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| 08:13.43 | jelly-home | Quibus: stop ntp service, run eg. ntpdate pool.ntp.org, verify the system time, start ntp |
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| 08:14.54 | Quibus | OK, time is correct now |
| 08:15.09 | Quibus | But I don't think it can be save to the hwclock due to that select() time out error |
| 08:17.02 | Quibus | I guess I need to use --directisa to do the sync, right? |
| 08:18.41 | Quibus | That helps, hwclock gives proper output now |
| 08:18.59 | Quibus | So, the main problem is that --directisa is needed. Should I change the init.d scripts for this? |
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| 08:23.25 | mbroeker | DawnLight, solved it? |
| 08:23.56 | DawnLight | mbroeker: no. can i get a list of the current alsa devices? |
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| 08:24.18 | mbroeker | yes with aplay -l or aplay -L DawnLight |
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| 08:24.39 | DawnLight | great |
| 08:24.45 | mbroeker | DawnLight, are you uising lenny or etch? |
| 08:24.57 | DawnLight | etch |
| 08:25.08 | mbroeker | have you a gcc compiler on your box, DawnLight ? |
| 08:25.16 | DawnLight | mbroeker: yes |
| 08:25.46 | mbroeker | i have found a short example for oss recording in c |
| 08:26.04 | mbroeker | and i modified it to choose a particular oss device |
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| 08:26.14 | mbroeker | its easy to use and works well here |
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| 08:27.18 | mbroeker | DawnLight, http://rafb.net/p/k76zNt69.html you can test your current sound configuration with it |
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| 08:28.01 | redspike | Hi all, anyone know how i write a script that do, in /tmp/dir save the latest 10 files and remove all other? |
| 08:28.21 | jimm | I'd use a text editor for that... |
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| 08:29.44 | redspike | jimm: hehe, thnax, you know how to do it to? :) |
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| 08:31.46 | vvd | anyone knows what the group pulse-access is used for? |
| 08:31.56 | jimm | maybe ls with a --sort= option would help, perhaps also head or tail |
| 08:32.12 | jimm | accessing pulses? |
| 08:32.23 | vvd | jimm: :X |
| 08:32.34 | DawnLight | mbroeker: doesn't record anything using /dev/dsp |
| 08:33.05 | Quibus | jelly-home: so, should I add --directisa to HWCLOCKPARS in /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh? |
| 08:33.05 | mbroeker | DawnLight, remove the /etc/asound.conf or change it and try again |
| 08:33.46 | mbroeker | DawnLight, or check alsamixer |
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| 08:35.37 | jimm | vvd: look on your system for files with that group |
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| 08:37.25 | jelly-home | Quibus: sounds reasonable |
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| 08:38.42 | jelly-home | Quibus: I'd add it to /etc/default/rcS, rather than the init script |
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| 08:39.20 | jescis | hello, I'm loged into my debian and I forgot how to change from one tty to another. |
| 08:40.10 | Cayn | jescis: ctrl+Fx |
| 08:40.24 | jescis | also can tty have a bigger resolution? |
| 08:40.39 | Cayn | Whereas x equals the numbers 1 to 6 |
| 08:40.42 | Cayn | Yes |
| 08:40.45 | jescis | thanks Cayn |
| 08:40.54 | jimm | alt-Fn |
| 08:41.21 | jescis | SWEET!! |
| 08:41.26 | jimm | or from X... ctrl-alt-Fn (since alt-Fn are taken in X) |
| 08:41.29 | jescis | I did it |
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| 08:41.42 | jimm | wut did you did?! |
| 08:41.56 | DawnLight | mbroeker: fmit uses hw:0 |
| 08:42.08 | jescis | I changed from this tty to another |
| 08:42.18 | jimm | cool :) |
| 08:43.06 | jimm | to the question of can it be larger... yes... if you were to put vga=ask among your parameters, you should see |
| 08:43.18 | jimm | when you boot |
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| 08:43.57 | Quibus | jelly-home: OK, how? Just define HWCLOCKPARS=--directisa |
| 08:44.01 | jescis | I'm logged in without x btw |
| 08:44.10 | cast | wtf is up with my con to freenode :| |
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| 08:45.21 | Quibus | jelly-home: the man page of rcS doesn't list this variable |
| 08:45.27 | DawnLight | mbroeker: it was all up to a switch in the mixer. thanks |
| 08:46.35 | mbroeker | DawnLight, normally, i would say: no prob. But sound problems occour to often under linux, so it is a mess... |
| 08:48.03 | jescis | When I press alt+f2 it goes to another tty. But it only has a blinking underscore cursor :( |
| 08:48.13 | jelly-home | Quibus: That's just my preference, it's slightly nicer to stick the variable (somewhere) in /etc/default rather than editing an init script directly |
| 08:49.32 | jelly-home | Quibus: do what's less confusing for you. :-) |
| 08:50.16 | jescis | Does that mean I need to create another tty first? I thought there were more than one tty created during install. |
| 08:50.18 | Quibus | jelly-home: well, I'd rather not mess with initscripts either, but I wasn't sure that putting the var used in the initscript in rcS is valid, as the manpage doesn't list it |
| 08:51.18 | sordith | !apt-get moo |
| 08:51.18 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
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| 08:52.14 | Quibus | damn, accidentally left... :( |
| 08:52.18 | sordith | oh, a gentoo developer. he could be testing our support system :D |
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| 08:52.28 | Quibus | jelly-home: whatever you said, I missed it. Pleaes repeat... |
| 08:53.32 | drcode | I need help with freenx and multiwindo |
| 08:55.08 | cast | screen irssi ftw |
| 08:55.17 | DGnome | screen ftw |
| 08:55.31 | jescis | I never installed it |
| 08:55.36 | DGnome | saved my life a couple of times :) |
| 08:55.51 | cast | jescis: install it! |
| 08:56.04 | jescis | you think I should apt-get screen? |
| 08:56.26 | tarzeau | Quibus: wow, sounds good. |
| 08:56.31 | jescis | ok, I'll be back then |
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| 08:57.00 | cast | i think you should aptitude install screen |
| 08:57.03 | cast | :< |
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| 08:58.02 | jimm | you're a screen one... mister pinch... |
| 08:59.43 | Quibus | tarzeau: late reaction :) |
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| 09:00.42 | tarzeau | Quibus: i was with girlfriend for the whole weekend including morning |
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| 09:02.37 | liable | pics or it didnt happen! ;) |
| 09:02.49 | Quibus | tarzeau: anyway, it's being worked on, a preview of the new site is on http://mog.jorito.net |
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| 09:03.17 | tarzeau | Quibus: thanks, tell me when there's a release... |
| 09:03.21 | jelly-home | Quibus: [rcS] That's just my preference, I think it's slightly nicer to stick the variable (somewhere) in /etc/default rather than editing an init script directly |
| 09:03.37 | sordith | Quibus: you are master mibbit? |
| 09:04.02 | tarzeau | Quibus: looks cool :) |
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| 09:04.32 | Quibus | tarzeau, I'll give you a signal when there's a release |
| 09:04.36 | jescis | I'm back after installing screen and zsh |
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| 09:04.59 | Quibus | sordith: mibbit is the CGI IRC i/f I"m using atm |
| 09:05.25 | sordith | Quibus: ah, bummer. cause i miss the author and programmer of the system you are using here on IRC |
| 09:06.13 | sordith | i guess he got very busy lately |
| 09:07.05 | Quibus | I used ircatwork.com, but apparently it changed to mibbit |
| 09:08.23 | jimm | jescis: so... you have installed screen? |
| 09:08.38 | jescis | yes |
| 09:08.55 | jimm | and... you have installed even zsh? |
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| 09:09.08 | jescis | But I'm not sure what option to use. |
| 09:09.22 | jescis | yes |
| 09:09.25 | jimm | but you've installed these things? |
| 09:09.28 | jimm | and... |
| 09:09.41 | jimm | you're still alive!! |
| 09:10.08 | jescis | to an extent |
| 09:10.13 | jimm | (and more importantly, your computer survived it too) |
| 09:10.26 | jescis | yes |
| 09:10.53 | jimm | how does it feel to have survived installing a debian package? |
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| 09:11.52 | jescis | I like the terminal/console way. |
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| 09:12.28 | jescis | ubuntus synaptic was good for a gui. |
| 09:12.35 | jimm | hmm, cool... think you might be learning the shell? |
| 09:12.44 | Quibus | anyway, got to leave, thank you all for your assistance. |
| 09:12.48 | jimm | (btw, ubuntu is perfect for this too) |
| 09:12.55 | jescis | But I always like to know what goes on. |
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| 09:13.31 | jescis | yes, I'm aware of it |
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| 09:15.18 | jescis | some time you had to use apt-get instead of synaptic for some things. But I like the no gui way better. |
| 09:15.34 | jescis | times* |
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| 09:17.56 | jescis | the console feels like DOS in a way. And I've always liked DOS over windoze. |
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| 09:19.30 | jescis | linux/unix is even better than DOS. But DOS is the first command prompt interface I've used. |
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| 09:22.23 | jescis | And what makes linux/unix better than DOS? multi-user, multi-threaded, and multi-fascited user interface. |
| 09:22.37 | jescis | ;) |
| 09:23.11 | jimm | dos (syntaxwise) is a horrible collection of addonitis |
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| 09:23.51 | jescis | it has it's good and bad |
| 09:24.00 | jimm | cp/m is a cheap attempt to copy unix... msdos is a ripoff of cp/m |
| 09:24.17 | jescis | pretty much |
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| 09:24.37 | jimm | here's one thing that makes it better in my opinion... |
| 09:25.04 | jimm | say you want to write ls using windows api and C... |
| 09:25.11 | mbroeker | you can shock your windows friends by opening cmd.exe and pressing <alt-enter> md c:\etc, cd etc, regedit /e export.txt; |
| 09:25.24 | jescis | actually it wasn't msdos till pual bought it from a guy for $50,000 |
| 09:25.56 | cast | scary shit man |
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| 09:26.06 | fabryprog | hello world! |
| 09:26.10 | cast | you can shock your windows friends by doing anything sans mouse |
| 09:26.36 | jimm | dos does not interpret *, ? chars in file names |
| 09:26.52 | jimm | and so does not collect the resulting files |
| 09:26.53 | jimm | so |
| 09:26.59 | fabryprog | i've a problem with debian sarge/lenny/unstable..... "segmentation fault", umount root filesystem and remount on read-only mode! |
| 09:27.10 | fabryprog | who help me? |
| 09:27.15 | fabryprog | :'( |
| 09:27.31 | jimm | an msdos program that wants to have * and ? interpreted must do it themself |
| 09:27.46 | jescis | I remember dos using those "wild cards" |
| 09:28.07 | sep | fabryprog, do you run sarge,lenny, and unstable packages on the same machine at the same time, make up your mind and pick one version |
| 09:28.09 | wols_ | fabryprog: what is "sarge/lenny/unstable"? are you mixing debian branches? |
| 09:28.15 | jescis | hello *.* |
| 09:28.24 | fabryprog | no no excuse me... |
| 09:28.27 | wols_ | jescis: that's is a DOS greeting. begone! |
| 09:28.31 | fabryprog | i try |
| 09:28.34 | fabryprog | first etch... |
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| 09:28.41 | jimm | so if there are 10 programs that need that, (1) there will be 10 different ways of implementing it, and each will subtract from available diskspace |
| 09:29.00 | jimm | understand all that? |
| 09:29.09 | fabryprog | so... ethc show "segmentation fault"... |
| 09:29.10 | jescis | it doesn't matter imo |
| 09:29.26 | fabryprog | so i try lenny... but it's same problem! |
| 09:29.42 | jescis | all I know is I gave linux/unix a compliment. |
| 09:29.46 | jimm | but that's not the question... question is, do you understand what I've said so far? |
| 09:30.03 | fabryprog | so... i try to install unstable... |
| 09:30.04 | fabryprog | :-| |
| 09:30.09 | fabryprog | but it's same! |
| 09:30.20 | fabryprog | so... i try ubuntu... it's OK |
| 09:30.27 | fabryprog | but i hate ubuntu! |
| 09:30.33 | fabryprog | i want debian! |
| 09:30.35 | olazama | i know its not right place to ask but in ldap channel everybody sleeps. hello. i created new group called admins in ldap. now i want to add on machine that uses ldap that group admin. how i should do this? |
| 09:30.40 | wols_ | we hate misuse of enter keys too |
| 09:31.01 | sep | fabryprog, _where_ does it show segmentation fault ? |
| 09:31.22 | sep | what do you do to show that error ? |
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| 09:31.43 | fabryprog | where i try lanch everyone program! |
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| 09:32.01 | fabryprog | the steps are: |
| 09:32.10 | fabryprog | 1) lanch program, |
| 09:32.20 | fabryprog | 2) "segmentation fault" |
| 09:32.24 | sep | fabryprog, any program ?` |
| 09:32.33 | sep | like ls |
| 09:32.33 | DawnLight | fabryprog: you're usin the enter key too much here |
| 09:32.37 | fabryprog | dmesg -> umount root file system and remount in in readonly mode |
| 09:32.49 | fabryprog | (DawnLight) excuse me ;-) |
| 09:32.57 | jescis | jimm: can we just drop it, as I was giving a complament to linux/unix, and you turned ity into a bash dos speech. |
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| 09:33.19 | theatro | fabryprog, what machine is this you are using? |
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| 09:34.23 | fabryprog | mbroeker: Asus M2V-MX, CPU AMD LE1100 (64bit). I try debian i386 and debian amd64 |
| 09:34.52 | sep | fabryprog, and you installed from official debian iso's ? |
| 09:34.56 | wols_ | fabryprog: you STILL haven't answered questions |
| 09:34.56 | jimm | jescis: the point I'm making is this: in most unix shells, the -shell- interprets the wildcards, so that programs don't have to (instead, they have to accept a variable number of filename parameters) |
| 09:35.04 | wols_ | like WHEN, WHAT happens |
| 09:35.10 | fabryprog | yes! only official net install |
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| 09:35.49 | jescis | jimm: And I still need to know about what screen option I need to use when starting a program with it. |
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| 09:35.56 | jimm | man screen |
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| 09:36.24 | jescis | I looked at the -h output |
| 09:36.27 | nkuttler | info screen is probably more useful |
| 09:36.27 | despen | Anyone here with experience of hp netserver with netraid cards? |
| 09:36.45 | fabryprog | wols_ : the question is.... WHY DEBIAN DON'T WORK IN MY SISTEM? :'( |
| 09:36.46 | jimm | quite probably |
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| 09:37.12 | jimm | fabryprog: what do you mean by "DON'T WORK" |
| 09:37.19 | fabryprog | i always use debian into my pcs... |
| 09:37.35 | fabryprog | any program output "segmentation fault" |
| 09:37.56 | jimm | and this is on one machine in particular? |
| 09:37.58 | eps | fabryprog, I'm pretty sure it has some thing to do with your spelling ability |
| 09:38.12 | DawnLight | eps: thats evil |
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| 09:38.18 | wols_ | and the misuse of Caps and enter. general moronicness can't be discounted either |
| 09:38.30 | DawnLight | bah wols_ |
| 09:38.34 | jelly-home | give the .it guy a spelling break |
| 09:38.36 | eps | ^_^ |
| 09:38.38 | jimm | the caps and enter center! |
| 09:38.39 | Butt3rfly | lol |
| 09:39.01 | eps | I did find sistem to be rather good :P |
| 09:39.08 | wols_ | fabryprog: start making a proper problem description. until then: no help |
| 09:39.08 | fabryprog | yeah! my english is orrible! |
| 09:39.15 | jelly-home | !it |
| 09:39.15 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
| 09:39.32 | fabryprog | tnks |
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| 09:40.38 | fabryprog | bye! |
| 09:40.42 | theatro | fabryprog, |
| 09:40.45 | theatro | ah |
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| 09:41.08 | theatro | just wandering if he had overcloacked it |
| 09:41.33 | theatro | I remember having read somewhere that this is an other case where you get seg faults |
| 09:41.52 | spaceracoonlady | why is there no gimmix ( http://gimmix.berlios.de/index.php ) in the debian repositories ¿ |
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| 09:42.13 | wols_ | ausually not whne "starting any program". but segfaults when doing a compile are quite common then yes |
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| 09:45.12 | jimm | spaceracoonlady: so why do you love and hate that westhing game? |
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| 09:46.04 | spaceracoonlady | jimm OMG you again |
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| 09:46.17 | spaceracoonlady | i love it because i can be an elv |
| 09:46.26 | jimm | OMG!!! me again!! |
| 09:46.27 | spaceracoonlady | i hate it because i always die as an elv |
| 09:46.29 | RabidWeezle | lost my dang menu bar in xchat, anyone know how to get it back? |
| 09:46.40 | cast | RabidWeezle: #xchat perhaps |
| 09:46.47 | spaceracoonlady | acting like an ueber noob |
| 09:46.53 | RabidWeezle | it's dead in there, thought I would give here a shot |
| 09:47.07 | RabidWeezle | since alot of people use xchat |
| 09:47.13 | jimm | spaceracoonlady: probably if you slow down trying to advance |
| 09:47.31 | jimm | die less often :) |
| 09:47.32 | spaceracoonlady | jimm: why is there no gimmix .deb for debian http://gimmix.berlios.de/index.php? |
| 09:47.41 | spaceracoonlady | jimm: okok |
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| 09:48.11 | mbroeker | RabidWeezle, press strg-f9 |
| 09:48.13 | _joey | I have calibrated monitor and a calibration file. Can I use it with x.org? |
| 09:48.14 | jimm | what license? |
| 09:48.18 | spaceracoonlady | wait |
| 09:48.20 | RabidWeezle | got it, thanks |
| 09:48.32 | spaceracoonlady | GNUGPL |
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| 09:48.42 | auser | people : is there any open source alternative for billing software ? |
| 09:49.00 | jimm | spaceracoonlady: then the game itself can be packaged and included |
| 09:49.17 | jimm | (you could learn how to package things...) |
| 09:49.18 | spaceracoonlady | jimm: it is not a game, ok |
| 09:49.21 | mbroeker | !dpkg -l gnucash |
| 09:49.31 | jimm | a nongame. ok. |
| 09:49.34 | spaceracoonlady | i could become a famous respected debian maintainer |
| 09:49.42 | spaceracoonlady | so kuhl |
| 09:49.52 | jimm | you could at least learn to package |
| 09:49.57 | spaceracoonlady | yea |
| 09:50.01 | spaceracoonlady | will do this today |
| 09:50.08 | spaceracoonlady | this was already my intention |
| 09:50.32 | spaceracoonlady | am right now reading the F manual |
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| 09:53.14 | jimm | look at www.debian.org/devel for relevent stuff... also see debian-mentors@lists.debian.org and http://lists.debian.org |
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| 09:54.09 | jescis | Hello there again. is there a console web browser? |
| 09:54.34 | wols_ | lynx,links,w3m,telnet... |
| 09:54.36 | spaceracoonlady | jimm: thank you so much |
| 09:55.02 | et | jescis: try links and w3m before lynx though ;) |
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| 09:55.09 | spaceracoonlady | jescis: w3m is the best |
| 09:55.34 | jescis | ok |
| 09:55.35 | auser | mbroeker, I installed gnucash ,but first time , can you point out some tips , did use ever before? |
| 09:56.20 | jescis | I need to quit again to download them, thanks |
| 09:56.23 | mbroeker | auser, i am familiar with c programming, not with accounting. |
| 09:56.47 | jimm | jescis: actually you don't... just switch consoles |
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| 09:57.26 | jescis | I can't figure out what to do. no keys work. :( |
| 09:57.48 | spaceracoonlady | what? |
| 09:57.57 | spaceracoonlady | man w3m¿? |
| 09:57.58 | auser | my case laso same :) one requirement came just installed it thats all :) |
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| 09:58.48 | jescis | after I switch to tty1, I get a blinking underscore cursor |
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| 09:59.18 | jimm | hmm, that doesn't sound right |
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| 10:00.13 | jescis | I know. But I have no idea how to fix it neither |
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| 10:01.31 | jescis | also there's no prompt. |
| 10:01.48 | jescis | just the cursor. |
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| 10:03.19 | jescis | the only thing that I can change to and from is the channel on irc through irssi |
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| 10:05.01 | jescis | and also screen shut down when I typed: screen irssi orpheus |
| 10:05.39 | jescis | I thought that would work. :( |
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| 10:12.30 | jescis | jimm: Do you have an answer? |
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| 10:16.54 | jescis | I'll be awake later today about 12:00 or so. |
| 10:17.39 | liable | erm, we dont all live in your timezone :P |
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| 10:18.05 | jescis | sorry |
| 10:18.14 | jescis | 12:00 CST |
| 10:18.16 | PriitM | Hi, upgrading kernel means installing linux-headers2.x.... and/or fully compiling it?(Please don't slap me in the face, my first time messing with kernel) |
| 10:18.23 | cast | UTC is more handy jescis |
| 10:18.27 | liable | jescis: gmt is better |
| 10:18.29 | cast | Mon Mar 10 19:49:55 CST 2008 |
| 10:18.32 | cast | btw :) |
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| 10:18.50 | liable | or just say in 5 hours :) |
| 10:19.01 | cast | we demand seconds since the epoch! |
| 10:19.07 | liable | heh |
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| 10:19.33 | jescis | I can't remember the UTC or GMT |
| 10:19.44 | cast | date -u |
| 10:19.49 | liable | its the same thing :) |
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| 10:20.22 | cast | liable: nauh is not! but i just can't remember the difference, or the difference to GPS time, or if GPS is GMT or UTC, i'm scared :< |
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| 10:21.09 | liable | cast: its the same, so is zulu, and gps uses it |
| 10:21.22 | liable | or wtf is GPS? |
| 10:21.32 | jescis | I prefer to go with what I know. |
| 10:21.37 | wols_ | global positioning system |
| 10:21.56 | cast | UTC != GMT, UTC replaces GMT, am just reading up on what the improvement is |
| 10:22.05 | liable | wols_: i know what a gps is, i thought he meant some other weird time thing i havent heard of |
| 10:22.09 | jescis | plus, I'm not leaving irssi till I get another terminal tty |
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| 10:22.40 | cast | jescis: screen dude, screen |
| 10:23.04 | jescis | I tried screen |
| 10:23.37 | jescis | I can't figure it out even after reading the man pages |
| 10:24.14 | t00t | jescis: |
| 10:24.20 | t00t | its 'screen irssi' |
| 10:24.26 | t00t | then screen -r <nr> |
| 10:26.10 | jescis | what's nr? |
| 10:26.36 | jescis | tty2? |
| 10:26.43 | t00t | you can detech a screen with "ctrl+A+D" |
| 10:26.47 | sordith | jescis: "screen --help" and "man screen" for details |
| 10:26.54 | t00t | then to reattach: 'screen -r' |
| 10:27.00 | t00t | you can use an unlimiten screens |
| 10:27.10 | t00t | detach* |
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| 10:28.17 | t00t | and every screen has an unique number, wich incase you have multiple need to reattach |
| 10:30.49 | jescis | t00t, the problem is alt+f2 give the other tty. but the new screen doesn't have a prompt for some reason. |
| 10:31.40 | t00t | if you do 'screen' you wont get a cleared cmd line? |
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| 10:32.44 | jescis | so I use screen irssi then alt+f2? |
| 10:32.44 | saketram | How to copy a whole directory easily by using FTP tool (no graphical package)? |
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| 10:33.15 | t00t | jescis: screen irssi then ALT+A+D |
| 10:33.15 | wols_ | streuner: ncftp, lftp |
| 10:33.24 | wols_ | saketram: it'S a client feature |
| 10:33.25 | bazik | saketram: lftp has a 'mirror' command |
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| 10:33.31 | t00t | CTRL+A+D* |
| 10:33.32 | t00t | sorry |
| 10:33.38 | t00t | ctrl+c closes the screen |
| 10:33.51 | t00t | so beware with copy-pasting on putty if your in a windows environment :P |
| 10:34.14 | liable | open a terminal; type screen; hit spacebar; make as many screen terminals as you need with ^c-a; change between them with c#; close ssh; log back in; run screen-r; |
| 10:34.53 | t00t | what keycombo is ^c-a? ;o |
| 10:34.55 | jescis | t00t, I'm using debian in console(no X environment) mode |
| 10:34.56 | liable | err, c-c |
| 10:35.03 | liable | for making |
| 10:35.05 | t00t | jescis: so am i in SSH |
| 10:35.10 | t00t | using irssi in a screen currently |
| 10:35.19 | liable | c-# for changing |
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| 10:35.37 | t00t | ^c=esc? |
| 10:36.04 | liable | ctrl+c |
| 10:36.13 | t00t | ctrl+c closes |
| 10:36.15 | t00t | ? |
| 10:36.56 | liable | heh, ^a .. my brain is failing to work |
| 10:37.24 | t00t | ah, didnt know that :P |
| 10:37.27 | liable | a-c creates a-# change number |
| 10:37.53 | t00t | the more i use linux, the more i love it |
| 10:38.02 | jescis | if only they made that clear |
| 10:38.09 | t00t | jescis: man pages |
| 10:38.27 | t00t | ; |
| 10:38.27 | jescis | it was too much to read |
| 10:38.29 | liable | jescis: http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html |
| 10:38.57 | jescis | how am I suppose to remember that? |
| 10:39.07 | t00t | like everything |
| 10:39.09 | t00t | by using it |
| 10:39.17 | liable | it become second nature.. untill you have to explain it on irc :P |
| 10:39.38 | t00t | jescis: start another ssh or cmdline |
| 10:39.38 | sordith | at some point in time you have to realize that you need to do some work and studies if a man page or guide is too hard to understand |
| 10:39.44 | t00t | lol liable :p |
| 10:40.09 | jescis | I can't yet. |
| 10:40.18 | sordith | e.g. to make a more beginner friendly guide yourself :-) |
| 10:40.18 | t00t | well, /exit |
| 10:40.22 | t00t | 'screen irssi' |
| 10:40.24 | t00t | done :p |
| 10:40.30 | jescis | I need to restart irssi with screen |
| 10:41.04 | t00t | jescis: you are an (ex) windows user? |
| 10:41.20 | jescis | more or less |
| 10:41.33 | t00t | when it comes to linux/cmdline desktop/computer you have to forgot your windows way of thinking |
| 10:41.38 | jescis | I've been using guis too long. |
| 10:42.09 | t00t | linux's userfriendly ness is quite different from windows's besides its even better nowadays :p |
| 10:42.31 | jescis | I beleive it |
| 10:42.48 | cast | ok, there's TAI, UTC and GMT. TAI keeps time based on atomic clocks. UTC likewise is based on atomic clocks, but has leap seconds added to keep to account for slowing earth rotation. GMT was mean solar time at greenwich. GPS [as in global positioning..] time *was* the same as UTC in 1980, but they didn't add any leap seconds, so its effectively TAI time + 19 seconds |
| 10:42.53 | jescis | I've used ubuntu as well btw |
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| 10:43.17 | sordith | a good topic to lecture about is "what are terminals", "what different kinds of terminals exist", "where does screen help me actually" |
| 10:44.16 | cast | International Atomic Time (TAI), Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), Global Positioning System (GPS), FWIW |
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| 10:46.08 | liable | cast: so as I said, they are all the same thing :P |
| 10:46.22 | jescis | It worked \o/ |
| 10:46.27 | sordith | cast: i tried running my system clock with UTC, but it felt quite strange :D |
| 10:47.18 | sep | sordith, if it was not for the wife i'd live my life in UTC all these timezones are just darn confusing. |
| 10:47.18 | liable | jescis: welcome to the wonderfull world of screen :) |
| 10:47.29 | sep | she just thniks i'm wierd :/ |
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| 10:47.59 | jescis | liable, thanks |
| 10:48.04 | sordith | sep: so true, but i need a fix point to relate to, so i go to bed at the right time, dont go to work when my co-workers sleep, etc. :-) |
| 10:49.05 | sep | sordith, go to work when it's light outside sleep when your tiered :) |
| 10:49.06 | liable | sep: i have to use gmt at work, it can do your head in working it out on the spot when you change tomezones frequently. |
| 10:49.17 | sordith | sep: this could work actually! |
| 10:49.21 | cast | when you say GMT you mean UTC :P |
| 10:49.34 | cast | sed -i s/GMT/UTC/ liable |
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| 10:50.09 | liable | cast: seeing as gmt naturally adjusts for the earths slowing rotation, i say they are the same thing :P |
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| 10:52.48 | jescis | can I send a screen to another tty? |
| 10:53.17 | liable | no, but you can log into that screen from another tty with screen -x |
| 10:53.17 | cast | sure |
| 10:54.36 | jescis | cast, you know something liable doesn't? |
| 10:54.53 | cast | semantics perhaps |
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| 10:55.01 | cast | what does 'send a screen to another tty' mean |
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| 10:56.05 | jescis | so I can alt+f2 to a created screen that was created on tty0 |
| 10:56.22 | sordith | jescis: did you see my babbling earlier? |
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| 10:56.32 | sordith | a good topic to lecture about is "what are terminals", "what different kinds of terminals exist", "where does screen help me actually" |
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| 10:57.16 | jescis | sordith, I did |
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| 10:57.31 | sordith | jescis: but you dont like to take hints? |
| 10:58.15 | jescis | I prefer a humans help that makes understanding easier. |
| 10:58.17 | sordith | the people who made screen took a lot of time to make a really nice FAQ which they published on the web |
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| 10:59.13 | jescis | I need w3m or something first though. |
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| 10:59.41 | sordith | yeah, or you just need good company to feel less alone, like me |
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| 11:02.06 | larsl | Is there any way to get make-kpkg to not do a full rebuild when I've just tweaked the config a bit? |
| 11:02.08 | jescis | that could be it too. |
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| 11:03.32 | margiolas | hello i need a book in order to understand the structure of debian gnu/linux |
| 11:03.43 | azeem | margiolas: what kind of structure? |
| 11:04.42 | margiolas | azeem: i would like to understand how the system boots what are the runlevels etc... |
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| 11:05.08 | tarzeau | margiolas: you can read man inittab |
| 11:05.14 | tarzeau | margiolas: and the readme inside /etc/init.d |
| 11:05.16 | espenel | hey |
| 11:05.21 | margiolas | thanks |
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| 11:06.53 | larsl | margiolas: If you want a (somewhat pricey) book about UNIX systems in general (though mostly with examples from Linux since it's the most popular free system) you could try "Computer systems" by Bryant and O'Hallaron. |
| 11:07.51 | margiolas | larsl: thanks very much |
| 11:07.56 | azeem | there's a book called "The Debian System" or so by Martin Krafft as well |
| 11:08.12 | margiolas | thanks guys |
| 11:08.37 | themill | margiolas: http://debiansystem.info/ |
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| 11:09.49 | spaceracoonlady | http://srom.zgp.org/ |
| 11:10.12 | wols_ | larsl: it doesn't do a full rebuild. only changes what's needed |
| 11:10.18 | larsl | wols_: Ah. |
| 11:10.39 | wols_ | e.g. if you changed target cpu or optimization, everything needs to be recompiled. if you only add a module to compile very little does |
| 11:10.39 | larsl | wols_: I guess the "Kernel event tracing" option in RT-patched kernels touches a lot of stuff then. |
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| 11:11.13 | themill | wols_: are you sure? last time I used make-kpkg, the first thing it did, to my horror, was make clean |
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| 11:11.55 | wols_ | themill: when I add a module or compile it in it usually recompiles a few core files no matter what and only said driver |
| 11:12.00 | wols_ | so I am fairly sure yes |
| 11:12.28 | sordith | azeem: Martin wrote a real book? |
| 11:12.46 | themill | hmm... my make-kpkg-fu is weak... so maybe it was just pebkac :( |
| 11:13.12 | azeem | sordith: some years ago, yes |
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| 11:14.00 | sordith | azeem: really cool for us germans is "Debian Anwenderhandbuch" |
| 11:14.26 | sordith | only sad thing is, that it has a non-free license |
| 11:14.46 | sordith | makes contributions harder |
| 11:15.24 | zl2tod | anybody else seeing sha256 errors on the archives ? |
| 11:15.30 | tarzeau | sordith: it's not like contributions are a lot easier if it's a free license |
| 11:15.39 | sep | are there any virtual machine application that can reliable run a windows installed as dualboot on my lenny laptop ? as in not having to reboot, but just start windows in a virtual machine ? |
| 11:15.46 | tarzeau | zl2tod: which mirror? which file? |
| 11:15.51 | sordith | tarzeau: for me it would be a lot easier, cause then i can re-use my own work for own ideas |
| 11:15.54 | tarzeau | zl2tod: do you have some caching proxy? |
| 11:16.25 | tarzeau | sep: there's qemu, not sure it can do it |
| 11:16.51 | zl2tod | tarzeau, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/source/Sources.bz2 |
| 11:17.07 | tarzeau | zl2tod: and if you run apt-get update again? |
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| 11:17.16 | tarzeau | zl2tod: that file is being rebuilt daily (if not more) |
| 11:17.46 | zl2tod | tarzeau, no idea which mirror, been asking for the bloody program to print which ip number it was talking to. I'm too useless to code it. |
| 11:18.13 | tarzeau | zl2tod: what do you want to figure out? |
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| 11:18.26 | zl2tod | tarzeau, I've tried half a dozen times today and had failures on all attempts |
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| 11:18.40 | tarzeau | zl2tod: maybe you should use a mirror (another one) |
| 11:19.04 | zl2tod | tarzeau, figure out which actual server in the dns rotation is being used ... need the ip address to figure out which servers are out of sync |
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| 11:19.50 | tarzeau | zl2tod: you can use host to resolve ip addresses or you can use a sniffer like ngrep/tcpdump to listen what's going on |
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| 11:20.12 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:20.21 | DexterF | can I install etch from within another distro? |
| 11:20.32 | tarzeau | yes |
| 11:20.41 | DexterF | I got a disk with free space, the system runs slackware, I'd like to migrate with least possible downtime |
| 11:20.45 | jelly | DexterF: if it's a debian-based one, you can use debootstrap |
| 11:21.02 | DexterF | nope, slack |
| 11:21.05 | tarzeau | jelly: one can even use that without debian-based one... |
| 11:21.12 | DexterF | tarzeau: got pointers? never did that |
| 11:21.22 | tarzeau | i forgot its name but someone in #gnu-kbsd wrote it |
| 11:21.34 | zl2tod | tarzeau, if I'm seeing GPG/MD5/SHA256 errors on the archive how do I know it's not pwned ? |
| 11:21.38 | DexterF | scary :P |
| 11:21.47 | streuner | tarzeau: do you have problems with DynDNS actually? |
| 11:21.50 | tarzeau | zl2tod: it's a debian mirror, it shouldn't be. for which files? |
| 11:21.54 | tarzeau | streuner: yes, why? |
| 11:22.02 | jelly | DexterF: the relelase notes. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 11:22.04 | streuner | tarzeau: well, i have problems too... |
| 11:22.09 | tarzeau | streuner: they say my stuff expired and someone else picked linuks.mine.nu |
| 11:22.13 | tarzeau | streuner: as in? |
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| 11:22.35 | streuner | tarzeau: you cannot update the IP... |
| 11:22.41 | streuner | tarzeau: read heise.de |
| 11:22.52 | tarzeau | streuner: crap. and you? |
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| 11:23.08 | streuner | tarzeau: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/104794 |
| 11:23.14 | tarzeau | streuner: i found it |
| 11:23.21 | tarzeau | streuner: it really really sucks |
| 11:23.27 | streuner | ok, need some food, bbl - yes |
| 11:24.19 | DexterF | unity media cable, no 24h-disconnect, same IP for weeks :) guess itll last till dyndns sort out their issues... |
| 11:25.16 | jelly | heh. "Manual changes on the Web site of the provider to be properly in the DNS server." |
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| 11:26.22 | DexterF | close :) |
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| 11:30.31 | masus | bandwidth monitoring +debian ... dows anyone can give me a tip |
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| 11:30.40 | tarzeau | masus: iptraf in a gnu screen |
| 11:30.50 | masus | and terminal ? |
| 11:31.02 | tarzeau | terminal.app or xterm? |
| 11:31.18 | masus | console |
| 11:31.23 | tarzeau | yes iptraf in a gnu screen |
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| 11:31.33 | icesword | hello |
| 11:31.35 | masus | ok thanks |
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| 11:31.38 | tarzeau | i'd run it in a screen even in the console |
| 11:32.25 | masus | wonderfull |
| 11:32.30 | masus | thanks a lot |
| 11:33.10 | masus | "137.60 kbits/s" is this the averag ? |
| 11:33.19 | masus | TCP flow rate |
| 11:33.42 | ApOgEE- | hi, how can i duplicate my 1GB bootable SD card? i found that i can use dd but can anyone point me to any article about it? |
| 11:35.15 | jelly | ApOgEE-: you don't need an article. Just copy the whole block device |
| 11:36.08 | ApOgEE- | jelly, is that all? i thought there is other steps like fdisk or something... |
| 11:36.26 | tarzeau | masus: depends what you look at inside iptraf |
| 11:36.32 | tarzeau | i'd recommend using kbytes/s instead of bits |
| 11:37.00 | jelly | ApOgEE-: if you copy it whole, that will include the boot sector with the partition table, etc |
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| 11:37.16 | ApOgEE- | jelly, thanks a lot.. |
| 11:37.24 | jelly | ApOgEE-: you'd need additional steps if the media wasn't identical size |
| 11:38.35 | ApOgEE- | jelly, how about if the target media is smaller, let say, 512MB? |
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| 11:40.55 | swombat | what command can i use to gather some data as to the resource usage of a particular process over a period of time? |
| 11:42.42 | zl2tod | munin |
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| 11:44.25 | jelly | ApOgEE-: well, then you'd need to reformat, copy the files and recreate the boot loader setup, depending on what's used on the original card |
| 11:44.40 | _Rubyxx | I had problems because my DNS server settings were not being saved. I installed resolvconf and solved that problem by editing the etc/network/interfaces file. Now the problem is that my network icon indicates I am not connected even though I am so I can't send or receive emails. Can anyone help? |
| 11:45.04 | harpal | Hey I have one harddisk and it has one linux partition. I have put my harddisk to disk enclosure and make USB harddisk. now when I connect USB harddisk than nothing happen |
| 11:45.44 | cast | so dmesg says nothing relevent? |
| 11:46.02 | harpal | cast: havent checked, Checking |
| 11:47.05 | ApOgEE- | jelly, i see... is there any way that i can dd the 1GB card to 512MB? |
| 11:47.06 | harpal | Hey in dmesg I have hub 5-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1 |
| 11:47.14 | harpal | hub 5-0:1.0: over-current change on port 2 |
| 11:47.25 | DexterF | with two dists on one disk (slack and deb) do they need seperate swap partitions at all cost or doesn't that matter? |
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| 11:47.37 | harpal | cast: 2 lines are repeated many times |
| 11:47.51 | cast | have you plugged in the power to the usb drive? :o |
| 11:47.59 | larsl | ApOgEE-: dd just copies the raw data, it doesn't know how to shrink a 1GB filesystem to 512MB. |
| 11:48.16 | harpal | cast: no option to plub cable in USB drive |
| 11:48.16 | larsl | It doesn't know anything about filesystems at all. |
| 11:48.22 | TomyLobo | hi, i'm having trouble upgrading from etch to lenny. tzdata cant be updated, for some reason |
| 11:48.41 | TomyLobo | not sure if it's the only package though |
| 11:49.31 | themill | !tell TomyLobo about bat |
| 11:50.11 | ApOgEE- | larsl, ok now i've dd the sd card to image, and i got 968.8MB, can I just dd it into the 512MB card? |
| 11:50.19 | larsl | ApOgEE-: No. |
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| 11:50.29 | TomyLobo | it's a new plain install, i edited sources.list according to what dpkg said and did update+dist-upgrad |
| 11:50.34 | larsl | How would you fit 968 MB on a 512 MB card? |
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| 11:51.16 | swombat | zl2tod: thanks, that looks great |
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| 11:52.42 | TomyLobo | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata |
| 11:52.55 | ApOgEE- | larsl, the 1GB sd card have 598.4MB free space... or can i shrink the partition on the 1GB sd card first? |
| 11:53.41 | zl2tod | swombat, cast your eye over smokeping, and rrdtool on which they both depend |
| 11:54.00 | swombat | cheers |
| 11:54.05 | larsl | ApOgEE-: I'm not familiar with bootable SD cards, but yes, if you want to make a raw copy and put it on a 512MB card the original can't be larger than 512 MB. |
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| 11:55.49 | ApOgEE- | larsl, ok... thank you... it's okay coz i have another 1GB card. just wondering if i can use the old 512MB SD... |
| 11:56.26 | vvd | can i search similar packages with aptitude? like aptitude search ~"Similar"xmms would give me all avail. audio players |
| 11:56.45 | zl2tod | ApOgEE-, have you looked at gparted ? that's a gui tool for creating, copy and resizing partitions |
| 11:56.53 | jelly | ApOgEE-: if you can pre-shrink the used data to the size of the destination card, sure, that might work |
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| 11:58.10 | ApOgEE- | zl2tod, not yet, i hope i can simply do it with dd... |
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| 11:58.52 | zl2tod | ApOgEE-, keep an eye on the blocksize when you are using dd |
| 11:59.45 | TomyLobo | themill http://paste.debian.net/50856 |
| 12:02.38 | themill | TomyLobo: can you also pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy tzdata" for me? |
| 12:03.27 | TomyLobo | themill http://paste.debian.net/50857 |
| 12:04.21 | TomyLobo | if i try to hold it, it says libc6 depends on it |
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| 12:04.59 | themill | TomyLobo: hmm.... that all looks quite sensible.... |
| 12:05.04 | TomyLobo | or maybe not "hold", i dont know what the english term is. german is "beibehalten" |
| 12:05.16 | themill | hold it is |
| 12:05.33 | TomyLobo | keep, rather |
| 12:06.23 | TomyLobo | what's with those dependency problems btw? doesnt lenny have a bash? |
| 12:06.34 | larsl | Hummm... does make-kpkg generate a new package name for a kernel when I've changed the config? |
| 12:06.49 | larsl | Maybe this is something I should have checked before I started the 3-hour long build. |
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| 12:07.47 | themill | TomyLobo: it has bash... I'm not seeing any dep problems in your output, just the crash on tzdata |
| 12:08.01 | TomyLobo | first half :) |
| 12:08.19 | themill | TomyLobo: (maybe my german is worse than I think it is...) |
| 12:08.34 | TomyLobo | around line 90 |
| 12:08.40 | themill | I see now |
| 12:08.46 | TomyLobo | hmm |
| 12:08.47 | TomyLobo | strange |
| 12:08.51 | themill | (back in a bit) |
| 12:08.54 | TomyLobo | "aptitude upgrade bash" fixed it :) |
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| 12:09.24 | TomyLobo | now tzdata installed properly, apparently |
| 12:10.16 | TomyLobo | btw i need that dist-upgrade on a different shell, can i just ctrl+C it and run the same command on the other shell again? |
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| 12:11.02 | DexterF | debootstrap: need a lil help with the instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 12:11.40 | DexterF | it says to install debootstrap *first*, I assumed it needs to be run from the chroot'ed target partition. so - this actually goes into the running linux dist? |
| 12:11.53 | terver | what happened with fvwm in testing? anyone aware of it? |
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| 12:13.57 | godwin2 | does latex come with etch installation? |
| 12:14.04 | cast | no. |
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| 12:14.26 | godwin2 | whats the right package? "latex" ? |
| 12:14.28 | cast | aptitude install texlive |
| 12:14.46 | cast | tetex is the old dist, you can grab that if you really want, texlive is the new |
| 12:14.51 | fantomashka | Hi. Bind9 question. Is it possible to process different ACLs differently - using different zone files? I need to return appropriate domain-ip mapping for different networks |
| 12:15.26 | streuner | tarzeau: its working again |
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| 12:16.02 | godwin2 | thx |
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| 12:16.12 | raz | hmm. i want to bulk partition a bunch of disks to "one partition, 300G size".. what cli-tool can i use for this? sfdisk unfortunately complains about "partition 1 does not end at a cylinder boundary" because the disks have different geometries :( |
| 12:17.02 | themill | TomyLobo: yes, you can ^C aptitude if it's only downloading or if it's at the Y/n prompt like that. Doing so while it's actually installing can be a bit more problematic though |
| 12:17.07 | cast | raz: use lvm |
| 12:17.49 | maligor | raz, I guess what you mean is you want to partition a large set of disks, which will all contain one partition of the size of 300G? |
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| 12:18.27 | maligor | lvm would only make sense if you want to span it over a large set of disks |
| 12:18.37 | cast | i read question a bit differently :\ |
| 12:18.53 | maligor | raz, you can probably use parted |
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| 12:19.18 | maligor | mkpart or mkpartfs commands |
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| 12:21.22 | DexterF | !debootstrap |
| 12:21.22 | dpkg | i guess debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 12:22.33 | tarzeau | streuner: aha, but i lost my domain anyways :( |
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| 12:23.02 | harpal | Hey how to make ntfs filesystem? |
| 12:23.07 | espenel | fun |
| 12:23.40 | enouf | harpal: i think ntfsprogs |
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| 12:23.53 | enouf | harpal: it has a mkntfs tool or something |
| 12:24.10 | themill | use windoze |
| 12:24.23 | enouf | harpal: (i have no idea how good or reliable it is, never used it) |
| 12:24.49 | harpal | enouf: okay, I am thinking now to make it from windows |
| 12:24.56 | enouf | themill: you'd think if they had wintendo, they'd use it |
| 12:25.44 | themill | enouf: I can't envisage why one would want to create an ntfs fs from linux. |
| 12:25.45 | cast | /usr/sbin/mkntfs |
| 12:26.03 | cast | [ntfsprogs] |
| 12:26.30 | enouf | themill: the same reason why they need a tool like mbr, ms-sys, etc |
| 12:26.35 | dusty_ | Hey guys, I have something strange happening. I have just setup a laptop with debian on it, its plugged into a lan with a normal soho broadband router doing NAT. I configured iptables on the debian workstation and just setup a default deny all policy. Before I started any apps etc I ran the firewall script and tail -f /var/log/syslog my system was being pounded by ips hitting the INPUT and OUTPUT chains (which is what I c |
| 12:26.35 | dusty_ | an't understand) the ips resolved to dsl lines... here is a log: http://rafb.net/p/CZnnbk83.html can anyone explain why this is happening because i just put the box online, and its behind a soho router so why is there traffic getting to this box? |
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| 12:29.04 | enouf | raz: you can use sfdisk, if you create the partitions using cylinders as a segment param |
| 12:29.10 | aurax | hello, does anyone knows how to change a netowrk interface name (from eth10 to eth0)? |
| 12:29.35 | enouf | aurax: is that a macbook? |
| 12:29.36 | aurax | there's no /etc/iftab... |
| 12:29.38 | aurax | nope |
| 12:29.44 | enouf | !z25 |
| 12:29.44 | dpkg | somebody said z25 was as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 12:29.45 | eth01 | hmm |
| 12:29.46 | aurax | dual xeon server... |
| 12:29.49 | enouf | or ifrename |
| 12:29.59 | aurax | oh cool |
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| 12:30.14 | aurax | thx |
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| 12:31.47 | i_am_ed | Hi, I'm trying to compile libtorrent-0.12.0 but configure is quitting with the following error "checking signedness of mincore parameter... configure: error: failed, do *not* attempt fix this with --disable-mincore unless you are running Win32.". Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? The config.log can be seen at http://www.pastebin.ca/936400 Cheers! Oh, and it's on debian etch. |
| 12:32.17 | aurax | enouf can i change with no risk /udev/rules.d ...? |
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| 12:34.21 | enouf | themill: further explaining; unfortunately, Many OEMs nowadays (especially laptops?) don't provide a CD of the OS, they rely on either Restore Partitions, or some other mutated form .. and many times, those users, mess up before they even realize (to try and burn an OS CD prior to messing with the partitions), i guess - to me, just more casualties that will get blamed on Linux, for absolutely unfounded reasons |
| 12:34.53 | enouf | aurax: make a backup of the file |
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| 12:35.41 | enouf | aurax: only file in /etc/udev/* ending in ".rules" are noticed by the system .. once you edit a file, run as root, udevcontrol reload_rules |
| 12:35.42 | themill | enouf: true. But I still can't see why you'd want to create an ntfs fs from linux.... e.g. the system restore partition should take care of that or the windows installer etc. |
| 12:36.35 | enouf | themill: any/all "restore partitions" are nothing more than compressed images, which only do one thing, wipe and restore to factory settings |
| 12:36.58 | enouf | themill: but why use ntfs at all on linux is a better question ;-) |
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| 12:38.39 | themill | enouf: exactly. the restore partition will wipe and restore; you don't need to make the fs yourself. The only reason for using ntfs under linux is to copy data between machines where one of them is a windows machine.. but that doesn't require you to make the fs under linux as you have a windoze machine anyway... |
| 12:38.51 | harpal | hey how to make fat32 filesystem? mkfs.vfat than? |
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| 12:39.32 | harpal | can anyone help |
| 12:39.45 | liable | thats it.. |
| 12:39.55 | liable | mkfs.vfat /dev/foo |
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| 12:40.47 | enouf | themill: ok, scenario; one user has an ntfs partition with windows, they wiped their other partitions (including any Restore ones) to make room for linux, installed linux, run into trouble,... NOw, they have no Installation CD, no Restore partition, and need to make an ntfs Filesystem as a backup (locally, same HDD, etc) to their original installation .. get it? |
| 12:41.26 | enouf | themill: ofcourse, i and you and others can find ways around that scenario, but .. oh well |
| 12:41.51 | jelly | ghost. |
| 12:41.54 | harpal | liable: that I have done but in fdisk -l it shows system as linux |
| 12:41.55 | themill | enouf: indeed... |
| 12:42.05 | amphi | enouf: often, unless you change something in the bios, the restore partition is 'hidden' |
| 12:42.16 | enouf | amphi: yes, and no ;-) |
| 12:42.29 | themill | harpal: you also need to change the partition table to change the partition type |
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| 12:42.49 | liable | harpal: thats because when you partitioned it, you chose linux. |
| 12:42.58 | enouf | amphi: linux has no trouble seeing them, (not to mention Dsik management tools in windows, even though it's very uninformative) |
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| 12:43.09 | liable | themill: does he need to change it? i am not sure |
| 12:43.10 | dusty_ | anyone? |
| 12:43.26 | harpal | liable: so I have changed that to 0B as partition type. Is it ok? |
| 12:43.29 | amphi | enouf: not always, IME |
| 12:43.47 | enouf | amphi: i certainly concur, nothing is 'always' ;-) |
| 12:43.54 | amphi | heh |
| 12:43.57 | themill | liable: well, if he wants fdisk to report it as a fat partition he does. And windoze would probably ignore it if it had the wrong partition type |
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| 12:44.04 | liable | harpal: chose whatever fat32 or fat16 is, i dont know the hex codes off hand :) |
| 12:44.19 | enouf | amphi: got an OEM name offhand you'd like to disparrage? ;-) |
| 12:44.19 | themill | liable: why not??? |
| 12:44.28 | harpal | liable: okay |
| 12:44.42 | sep | harpal, btw if you want to make a fat32 (larger then a tiny filesystem) you have to use mkfs.vfat -F32 iirc |
| 12:44.44 | liable | themill: but would mount still be happy if the partition table says its linux, and the fs vfat? |
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| 12:44.57 | amphi | enouf: toshiba comes to mind, I don't recall if in this particular context ;) |
| 12:45.12 | enouf | ;-) |
| 12:45.25 | liable | themill: i am killing my brain slowly with beer, and thats how i forget things. :) |
| 12:45.51 | themill | liable: I believe so. But why would you create a fat (or ntfs) partition to only use with linux.... so the fact that mount is clever is only one part of it; the other legacy operating system involved must also be kept happy. |
| 12:46.05 | enouf | harpal: cfdisk has always avail, a nice Table of correct hex values for partition IDs |
| 12:46.26 | enouf | win95 w/LBA, is C iirc |
| 12:46.31 | jelly | dusty_: your ip is being probed for something on udp/21403, and you have configured router to put your machine in "dmz", (that is, forward any packets not alreadry related to a connection to it) |
| 12:46.32 | liable | themill: i wasnt debating the logics of it, just wondering if linux would be happy :P |
| 12:46.44 | themill | :) |
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| 12:51.22 | enouf | sep: hrm, $ find /sbin -samefile "/sbin/mkfs.ext3" shows the same hardlinks for those (and i always wonder whether mkfs.vfat also requires a -J to make a journal) , but mkfs.vfat seems to be a different binary than mkdosfs -F32 |
| 12:51.45 | enouf | correction --> (and i always wonder whether mkfs.ext3 also requires a -J to make a journal) |
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| 12:52.26 | enouf | OMG, it's a symlink, lol |
| 12:52.32 | liable | enouf: one would imagine it makes the journal by default |
| 12:52.34 | enouf | readlink -f /sbin/mkfs.vfat |
| 12:53.05 | liable | we need a tunevfatfs man page |
| 12:53.09 | enouf | liable: /sbin/mkfs.ext2 and /sbin/mke2fs both need a -J option for journal, iinm |
| 12:53.20 | liable | !iinm |
| 12:53.21 | dpkg | methinks iinm is If I'm Not Mistaken |
| 12:53.41 | enouf | and if /sbin/mkfs.ext3 is the same binary, wtf? |
| 12:54.02 | liable | enouf: ya, but you you can use mkfs.ext3 which does that, or use tune2fs -J to make it after |
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| 12:54.19 | enouf | !beer liable |
| 12:54.23 | enouf | ;-) |
| 12:54.55 | liable | what? wheres my VB! |
| 12:54.59 | liable | ;) |
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| 12:55.28 | liable | if any .au people are reading now they are prolly collectively groaning at my choice of beer.. |
| 12:55.29 | themill | !lart liable |
| 12:55.30 | enouf | i guess, my general overall question might be; do Harddlinks allow for different command <-options>? |
| 12:55.54 | themill | liable: truly appalling taste |
| 12:56.12 | larsl | enouf: No, but the executable can see how it was invoked (argv[0]) and adapt its behaviour. |
| 12:56.14 | enouf | i mean does mkfs.vfat automatically know somehow to use -F32 option, and likewise same for mkfs.ext3 and -J ? |
| 12:56.37 | liable | themill: i like a bitter. your pommy beers arent bitter enough for me. the best i had over there was banks? |
| 12:56.47 | liable | starts with a b, scottish beer |
| 12:56.49 | enouf | larsl: i kind of thought there might be something behind the scenes going on ;-) i guess i could starce and compare the outputs ;-) thanks |
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| 12:56.57 | enouf | strace* |
| 12:57.32 | themill | enouf: man mkfs.ext3: "If called as mkfs.ext3 a journal is created as if the -j option was specified." |
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| 12:59.58 | enouf | themill: ok, thanks, and i should read more, my bad (i'm usually very thorough), but that said - the question now is how and why? (especially if it's a hardlink to mkfs.ext2 and mke2fs) .. though larsl has seemed to explain it, i need to look more into all that |
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| 13:00.48 | enouf | themill: also, i wondered why it would have it's own man page (solved!) ;-) |
| 13:01.05 | sep | enouf, many binaries in linux change behaviour depening on what name they are called with... busybox is a good example :) |
| 13:01.38 | enouf | sep: heh - way cool (let's see wintendo do that!) ;-) |
| 13:02.05 | liable | prolly does, but it takes 5 reboots |
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| 13:02.22 | sep | you could probably hack that up. but,. why bother for a gaming box |
| 13:02.24 | enouf | sep: do you know if that "different" behaviour is somehow stored or dependent upon the dir inode? or the File's inode? |
| 13:02.32 | larsl | Surely there is a argv[0] in Windows as well? |
| 13:02.47 | larsl | enouf: It depends on how the user types the command. |
| 13:02.56 | enouf | larsl: i'm sure there is .. |
| 13:02.58 | sep | enouf, the name of the called program is the first argument. the program just check |
| 13:03.04 | enouf | larsl: i see, thanks |
| 13:03.22 | enouf | sep: ahh, thanks |
| 13:03.35 | larsl | If you type 'mkfs.ext3 foo', 'mkfs.ext3' is argv[0]. If you type '/sbin/mkfs.ext3 foo', '/sbin/mkfs.ext3' is argv[0]. |
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| 13:04.00 | themill | enouf: it just looks at how it was called. You can do it in a shell script (or perl script etc) too. Look at $0 to see how you were called. It's quite common. |
| 13:04.36 | themill | And yes, you can do it in windows too.... but it's not very common to actually do so. |
| 13:04.52 | enouf | themill: gracias |
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| 13:05.58 | bolt | sometimes when I do "shutdown -h now" the computer hangs for about a minute saying "killing all remaining processes... failed". then it shuts down. what could cause that? |
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| 13:08.05 | redeeman | anyone that know how i can disable the hostname check thingie on sshd? i was told that this is why theres a 5-10sec lag untill it requests password |
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| 13:08.45 | larsl | redeeman: Tried killing the Avahi daemon? |
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| 13:10.15 | redeeman | well no |
| 13:10.18 | larsl | There is something that causes some DNS operations to take an inordinately long time if mDNS is active. |
| 13:10.32 | larsl | I've had similar problems with liblo. |
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| 13:13.19 | larsl | redeeman: See for example this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/94940 |
| 13:13.41 | andrewtaylor_ | Hi, I've got an Etch install where Apache2 is responding in non-encrypted mode via the SSL port. The SSL configuration looks fine and there are no errors in the logs. From a quick google search, ppl seem to have had this problem previously with Debian. Anyone here seen this before? |
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| 13:16.08 | larsl | redeeman: So unless you're using mDNS, you may want to remove any mdns4 references from /etc/nsswitch.conf. |
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| 13:20.32 | redeeman | larsl: yeah good idea |
| 13:20.34 | redeeman | larsl: thanks alot |
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| 13:25.55 | debianforlife | how can i have my computr run a command when it comes out of suspend? |
| 13:28.49 | zl2tod | andrewtaylor_, I'm seeing that behaviour too, have you worked through http://www.debianadmin.com/install-and-configure-apache2-with-php5-and-ssl-support-in-debian-etch.htmlprint/ ? |
| 13:29.11 | debianforlife | i think i got it, nevermind |
| 13:29.24 | andrewtaylor_ | zl2tod: no, to be honest, I've set this up a milion times before and I was just doing it from memory. |
| 13:29.25 | Supaplex | oh sure don't tell us how you did it. |
| 13:29.32 | sordith | heh |
| 13:29.37 | amphi | debianforlife: stick it in your suspend acpi script; after 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' or equiv |
| 13:30.53 | zl2tod | all that ssl stuff does my head in ... |
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| 13:32.18 | Yarcanox | I removed the debian-package for rosegarden |
| 13:32.35 | Yarcanox | then I installed a newer version from source which keeps telling me that there are old data files from the older version and refuses to start |
| 13:32.53 | Yarcanox | when reinstlaling the package, it seems like apt-get is NOT downloading it again which shows me that there is something of it left |
| 13:32.56 | enouf | redeeman: see also file:///usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html |
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| 13:33.02 | Yarcanox | how can I *completely* remove anything this package included? |
| 13:33.08 | Yarcanox | so the new rosegarden version is going to work |
| 13:33.18 | redeeman | enouf: thanks |
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| 13:34.13 | enouf | redeeman: i did a "locate nss-mdns" from info in that bug report ;-) |
| 13:34.39 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 13:35.05 | Yarcanox | do I need to change the distribution just to get a newer rosegarden package or is there any way to get the newer source version working that doesn't include 5 hours of searching?? |
| 13:35.50 | sordith | Yarcanox: get a newer version than what? |
| 13:36.04 | cedric3 | hi all i have a question when i use apt-get update it want to install etch package but i have sarge package where apt find the list package and where it found there packages please |
| 13:36.11 | Yarcanox | than the current |
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| 13:36.30 | sep | Yarcanox, check backports.org. or try a simple sid backport if yuo find nothing there. |
| 13:36.32 | Yarcanox | sordith the problem is not really the old package, it's more that the package is not removed |
| 13:36.41 | Yarcanox | sep I just need to remove the package. completely |
| 13:36.50 | sep | !purge |
| 13:36.50 | dpkg | it has been said that purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 13:36.52 | Yarcanox | there is still something there and keeps the source build from running properly |
| 13:36.56 | sordith | "apt-get --purge remove <package>" |
| 13:37.00 | Yarcanox | thx |
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| 13:37.57 | cedric3 | nobody can help me please? |
| 13:37.59 | sordith | cedric3: you need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:38.18 | cedric3 | sordith : thanks |
| 13:38.22 | sordith | welcome |
| 13:38.25 | wols_ | kerne!tell cedric3 about sarge->etch |
| 13:38.30 | wols_ | !tell cedric3 about sarge->etch |
| 13:38.36 | wols_ | sordith: bad advice |
| 13:38.44 | sordith | why? |
| 13:38.49 | Yarcanox | sordith it still didn't work |
| 13:38.55 | wols_ | read the factoid for yourself |
| 13:38.57 | Yarcanox | rosegarden tells me there are the data files of the old version left |
| 13:39.01 | Yarcanox | although I removed it using purge |
| 13:39.17 | Yarcanox | so how can I really remove anything it installed? |
| 13:39.19 | sordith | !tell sordith about sarge->etch |
| 13:39.30 | wols_ | !tell sordith about selftell |
| 13:39.34 | Supaplex | Yarcanox: try something like a chroot install to build in |
| 13:39.39 | sordith | heh |
| 13:39.54 | cedric3 | wols_ : i have a etch system on this i want to install vserver sarge but when it work the vserver user etch packages |
| 13:40.04 | Yarcanox | hm what do you mean with chroot install Supaplex :-? |
| 13:40.12 | Supaplex | !chroot install |
| 13:40.12 | dpkg | from memory, chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, or ask me about <debootstrap>, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, or http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 13:40.17 | wols_ | cedric3: why do you want to install the sarge package? |
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| 13:40.28 | Supaplex | silly dpkg, and your 99 urls. :P |
| 13:40.29 | Yarcanox | that bot seems to be very cool :) |
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| 13:40.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | <3 dpkg |
| 13:40.57 | sordith | its the collective brain of the channel, yeah |
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| 13:41.14 | Yarcanox | hm. |
| 13:41.24 | Yarcanox | is there a way to find out which files the rosegarden installation accesses? |
| 13:41.27 | cedric3 | wols_ : i want to install a debian sarge on my vserver but when i start the script it make an apt-get update |
| 13:41.32 | nelf | Can I use pre-packaged kernels from 'testing' with the 'stable' distro? |
| 13:41.40 | Yarcanox | the wiki page above didn't load and probably the fastest way is to find out where the files are myself and just delete them |
| 13:41.42 | wols_ | cedric3: sarge is EOL |
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| 13:41.43 | cedric3 | and i see it install etch packages not sarge |
| 13:41.50 | cedric3 | EOL ? |
| 13:41.54 | wols_ | end of life |
| 13:42.00 | Supaplex | Yarcanox: maybe via strace -e open -fFo openlog.txt -- <your cmd here> |
| 13:42.02 | wols_ | not supported from april onwards |
| 13:42.11 | sordith | wols_: bad information |
| 13:42.28 | cedric3 | wols_ : yes but my programm must be start on sarge debian |
| 13:42.39 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.42 | Yarcanox | Supaplex output is empty :< |
| 13:42.50 | Yarcanox | just one single line: kbuildsycoca running |
| 13:42.55 | azeem | sordith: please try to be less antagonistic to regulars |
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| 13:43.10 | Yarcanox | and and some ICE default handler error thingy now as I closed the window |
| 13:43.27 | wols_ | cedric3: what program requires sarge and does not run in etch? |
| 13:43.31 | sordith | azeem: you fail to read context |
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| 13:44.13 | Yarcanox | I need rosegarden :< |
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| 13:44.32 | aurax | why scripts that contains killproc are not working under debian ? |
| 13:44.35 | sordith | azeem: if wols_ corrects me while i give a person what he is asking for, and then gives bad advice himself, then i voice that problem. if the channel management does not like that, go ahead and remove me. |
| 13:44.37 | cedric3 | wols_ : i don't know my friend tell me install me a vserver on sarge because etch not work library ... i don't know what is the programm |
| 13:44.46 | Yarcanox | has anyone a suggestion how to fix rosegarden or what sequencer to use instead of rosegarden? |
| 13:44.53 | Yarcanox | I need a working midi sequencer |
| 13:45.00 | Yarcanox | and I don't want to switch the distribution again >.< |
| 13:45.03 | wols_ | !tell Yarcanox about errors |
| 13:45.04 | Supaplex | Yarcanox: is it not installing in etch? |
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| 13:45.10 | Yarcanox | it is |
| 13:45.11 | Yarcanox | a very old version |
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| 13:45.18 | Yarcanox | that keeps having problems with timidity every second start |
| 13:45.35 | azeem | sordith: what kind of bad advice did wols_ give? |
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| 13:45.59 | Yarcanox | wols_ I need to remove a package. because I installed a newer version from source. now this newer version refuses to run because there are old data files of the old version of that package _left_ |
| 13:46.00 | sordith | azeem: i think it would be off-topic for this channel to explain that further |
| 13:46.03 | Yarcanox | and I don't know where they are |
| 13:46.21 | Yarcanox | which effectively prevents me from deleting them >.< |
| 13:46.23 | azeem | then I stand by my above remark |
| 13:46.26 | sordith | but when people decided they want sarge, i see no reason to refuse giving it to them |
| 13:46.48 | suwro | hello - is there any settings to make to mysql to be able to connect remotely? - i try mysql -h host - but does nothing, mysql is on 0.0.0.0 and firewall is off |
| 13:46.48 | mirco_ | Hi all! |
| 13:46.50 | Yarcanox | why can't apt-get just remove the package completely? arghs. |
| 13:47.04 | bdu | What is a good package for me to 'aptitude install' for downloading bit torrents? |
| 13:47.19 | suwro | Yarcanox: "apt-get remove --purge packagename" will do |
| 13:47.21 | wols_ | Yarcanox: dpkg -l |grep rosegarden |
| 13:47.24 | azeem | sordith: it wasn't at all clear how you wanted cedric3 to edit sources.list |
| 13:47.30 | Yarcanox | suwro if you read what I said: I tried it |
| 13:47.30 | wols_ | Yarcanox: and isntalling from source is always a bad idea :) |
| 13:47.33 | Yarcanox | and it did not work |
| 13:47.36 | azeem | or maybe I read over that |
| 13:47.38 | Supaplex | Yarcanox: is it related to your user? if you did purge, it should have removed all config files the package keeps track of. |
| 13:47.43 | sordith | azeem: but if you feel a need to moderate the channel you can do that next time this pot head rolls the entire channel for hours |
| 13:47.45 | Yarcanox | wols_ I have no choice, the debian package is way too old |
| 13:47.46 | mirco_ | I'm trying to install a centos4 domU on my sarge, the prob is I need to know which centos4 mirror to give to xen-tools as a param. Can someone pls give me hint... |
| 13:47.47 | suwro | Yarcanox: i just connected. |
| 13:47.48 | wols_ | bdu: apt-cache search torrent |
| 13:47.58 | wols_ | Yarcanox: answer my question. and there are ways around that |
| 13:48.02 | bdu | wols_: thx |
| 13:48.02 | Yarcanox | supaplex: I have only one user and can't test it with others |
| 13:48.03 | wols_ | !info rosegarden sid |
| 13:48.06 | Yarcanox | suwro sorry :) |
| 13:48.07 | dpkg | rosegarden: (music editor and MIDI/audio sequencer), section sound, is extra. Version: 1:1.6.1-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 3328 kB, Installed size: 9200 kB |
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| 13:48.14 | Yarcanox | wols_ what is your question? |
| 13:48.17 | Yarcanox | the exact error message? |
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| 13:48.26 | wols_ | < wols_> Yarcanox: dpkg -l |grep rosegarden |
| 13:48.35 | Yarcanox | ah that's a question :D ok =P wait a second |
| 13:48.38 | wols_ | yes the error message might help too |
| 13:48.42 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 13:48.42 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 13:48.54 | sordith | azeem: i have no problem to stop taking part on this channel and invite people to #learning-debian instead if that is desired by the channel management |
| 13:49.00 | suwro | mysql remote connection? anyone pls? - I can't connect to server mysql. - firewall off, mysql on o/o |
| 13:49.03 | Supaplex | Yarcanox: you could add a new user to test that. |
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| 13:49.10 | Yarcanox | arghs |
| 13:49.15 | Yarcanox | wols_ there is rosegarden-data left |
| 13:49.17 | suwro | o/o = 0/0 sorry |
| 13:49.22 | wols_ | suwro: it's disabled in my.cnf for good reason |
| 13:49.23 | Yarcanox | description shows me that this is actually the thing I searched =P |
| 13:49.30 | Supaplex | suwro: sure it's not listening on 127.0.0.1? |
| 13:49.43 | suwro | no - i change in my.cnf.. |
| 13:50.01 | suwro | wols_: can I add one IP to allow? from my.cnf? |
| 13:50.20 | suwro | i really need to get 600 Mb from a to b. |
| 13:50.21 | azeem | sordith: I just requested that you'd be less antagonistic to other regulars |
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| 13:50.26 | Supaplex | suwro: then you might have an error that says user foo not allowed to connect from xxxx.example.com using password yes/no. and you didn't tell us? |
| 13:50.30 | wols_ | suwro: in my.cnf you can only add interfaces |
| 13:50.34 | sordith | azeem: you tolerate people like Nyle who constantly spread their foul language while they are under influence of drugs i fail to see your problem |
| 13:50.39 | Yarcanox | thanks supaplex wols_ sordith and all :) |
| 13:50.53 | suwro | Supaplex: user foo is on % - i get no connection |
| 13:50.58 | azeem | sordith: I haven't counted the times I told Nyle to move it to #d-ot |
| 13:51.00 | wols_ | Yarcanox: do NOT install what dpkg told you. it will break your debian |
| 13:51.15 | suwro | wols_: ty - I'll go google. |
| 13:51.28 | wols_ | suwro: you need hosts.deny or iptables |
| 13:51.35 | Yarcanox | hm. what was it btw? I haven't installed anything dpkg told me :) |
| 13:51.40 | Supaplex | suwro: what's the error your mysql client provides when you attempt? connection refused? |
| 13:51.40 | wols_ | !tell Yarcanox about simple sid backport |
| 13:51.41 | suwro | iptables - |
| 13:51.50 | Yarcanox | ah |
| 13:51.52 | wols_ | Yarcanox: that rosegarden package from sid |
| 13:52.01 | Yarcanox | no, I didn't. the source port works now! YAY :D |
| 13:52.08 | Yarcanox | -port+build |
| 13:52.10 | azeem | sordith: also, I don't have a lot of records of you complaining about Nyle to ops in the backscroll |
| 13:52.10 | Yarcanox | :) |
| 13:52.18 | azeem | and nobody acting on it |
| 13:52.36 | sordith | azeem: i solved my problem with Nyle by talking to him, without begging the OPs |
| 13:52.39 | suwro | Supaplex: no error at all - connection is refusex |
| 13:52.43 | suwro | refused. |
| 13:52.51 | Supaplex | azeem: I'm under the assumption the ops have given up on him |
| 13:52.55 | wols_ | suwro: netstat -anp |grep 3306 |
| 13:53.09 | Supaplex | suwro: and how do you know the connection is refused? |
| 13:53.19 | azeem | Supaplex: moderating regulars is always more difficult than moderating newbies or trolls |
| 13:53.29 | suwro | Supaplex: nc is my friend. |
| 13:53.31 | azeem | sordith: so what's your issue, then? |
| 13:54.02 | sordith | azeem: my issue is that you felt a need to protect poor wols_ |
| 13:54.24 | sordith | "sarge is not support" is plain false |
| 13:54.34 | suwro | tcp 0 0 193.223.***.***:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 13:54.40 | Supaplex | suwro: how many hops is that machine away? |
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| 13:54.47 | themill | sordith: no it's true... the security team is in the process of stopping sarge support too. |
| 13:54.48 | UserReg_CL | hi... need joing 2 adsl helpe please |
| 13:54.57 | suwro | 3 |
| 13:54.58 | wols_ | UserReg_CL: join how? |
| 13:55.04 | Supaplex | suwro: try tcptraceroute |
| 13:55.11 | UserReg_CL | join :) sorry |
| 13:55.15 | sordith | themill: "the security team does not provide you with security updates" is something entirely different than "you want sarge, but we dont support it" |
| 13:55.22 | suwro | Supaplex: better than mtr? - i'll try brb |
| 13:55.23 | themill | sordith: that's all wols was saying -- that sarge has reached EOL and that the user should be thinking about upgrading |
| 13:55.27 | azeem | sordith: how is that different? |
| 13:55.31 | Supaplex | suwro: eg, tcptraceroute host 3306 |
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| 13:55.42 | suwro | ok - installing it - brb |
| 13:55.47 | UserReg_CL | wols_ : join 2 adsl :) |
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| 13:55.59 | wols_ | UserReg_CL: makes no sense. explain more clearly |
| 13:56.03 | themill | sordith: no, once there are no security updates to sarge, it will be removed from the mirrors too. That is scheduled for the end of this month. |
| 13:56.08 | g00se | I'm using iceweasel on Etch and cpu% consistently shows around 90. Is this a known issue? |
| 13:56.27 | Supaplex | UserReg_CL: your adsl can has marrage license? ;) |
| 13:56.28 | wols_ | g00se: flash plugin installed? |
| 13:56.37 | sordith | totally pointless. wols_ has his fan boys. we all agree. and i built up my #learning-debian place in peace. |
| 13:56.50 | themill | sordith: We still help sarge users quite a lot here. But as the end is nigh for sarge, we are tending to encourage upgrading more and more. |
| 13:56.50 | g00se | wols_: It is actually. Not being used at mo though |
| 13:57.07 | dusty_ | Is there a way to make iptables logs resolve ips to hostnames? |
| 13:57.08 | sordith | themill: forget it |
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| 13:57.29 | pngwn | It would be if everyone followed the same set of rules. Just because people don't have a life and can spend 20 hours a day in here doesn't mean other users should have to put up with their crap. |
| 13:57.34 | wols_ | g00se: sometimes a tab in ffox (usually using flash) is hogging all cpu |
| 13:57.39 | suwro | Supaplex: ok - ty - I figured it out - my ISP filter this port - I'll redirect - thank you for your help |
| 13:57.42 | pngwn | throw a better in there |
| 13:57.46 | Supaplex | dusty_: not w/o some external script to parse the logs |
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| 13:58.08 | Supaplex | suwro: nice work :) |
| 13:58.13 | g00se | wols_: I didn't think anything was using it now. But i'll disable the plugin and see if it improves |
| 13:58.27 | azeem | sordith: as you're apparently not able to back up your claim, I concur I was correct in siding with wols on this one |
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| 13:58.38 | wols_ | g00se: usually I close tabs until the culprit is found. mostly it's flash but not always afaik |
| 13:58.40 | gonzaloaf | hi, I'm sharing my desktop using vino-server, how can I change the geometry of the screen? |
| 13:58.52 | sordith | azeem: if you have to make the final point, why not |
| 13:59.08 | azeem | sordith: I don't have to make the final point, I just want to sustain the quality of the channel |
| 13:59.26 | sordith | azeem: and the quality of the channel is, that a person decides to run sarge and we help him |
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| 13:59.42 | azeem | sordith: he wants to runa vserver |
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| 13:59.52 | themill | sordith: it's advisable to right before you start telling people that they are wrong. And when you're called on it, don't resort to name calling ("fan boys") either find sources to back up your claims or apologise for being wrong. |
| 13:59.56 | g00se | wols_: Hang on - it isn't installed (it was in iceape). Got NoScript and Greasemonkey |
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| 14:00.23 | wols_ | g00se: greasemonkey could use up lots of cpu too IIRC |
| 14:00.25 | themill | sordith: wols is perfectly correct in saying that sarge is not supported by debian any more from April. |
| 14:00.39 | Supaplex | 13:10 < sordith> i think i need to go back to middle school :-( |
| 14:00.51 | sordith | Supaplex: thanks for the trolling |
| 14:00.59 | Supaplex | yw :) |
| 14:00.59 | azeem | Supaplex: that wasn't called for |
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| 14:01.21 | sordith | exactly thats why the comment about fan boys |
| 14:01.28 | enouf | !moveon |
| 14:01.32 | sordith | because you guys behave exactly like that |
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| 14:02.11 | azeem | sordith: the problem is that you seem to have different views on how to support users then the some of the other regulars |
| 14:02.26 | azeem | and instead of discussing that, you resort to conspiracy theories |
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| 14:02.39 | azeem | I'm happy to discuss that in #debian-offtopic |
| 14:03.00 | azeem | even though I don't really have time for that right now |
| 14:03.28 | g00se | wols_: Disabled Greasemonkey. Still up around 90. The process is firefox-bin. What browser do you use? |
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| 14:03.53 | sordith | azeem: the situation was that a person asked something and i answered that. wols_ saw a need to correct me, because of the false assumption that the person wanted to upgrade from sarge to etch. then wols_ tried to correct the person to not run sarge while he wanted to. which i addressed. and since that moment we have a hell lof of hot air on this channel |
| 14:03.53 | enouf | gonzaloaf: is that wine related? try #winehq ? |
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| 14:04.49 | enouf | g00se: i use links2 -g , fast as heck - but wintendo weenies might miss their flashcrappoop and other crap things |
| 14:04.59 | gonzaloaf | enouf, vino-server |
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| 14:05.49 | g00se | enouf: Yes - i've tried to go more compact, but more compact generally won't work with a site i use a fair bit (Experts Exchange) |
| 14:05.52 | enouf | gonzaloaf: never heard of it, personally |
| 14:06.20 | enouf | g00se: there are some newer entries out there hv3, midori, etc. (opera?) |
| 14:06.31 | gonzaloaf | enouf, gnome vnc server |
| 14:06.36 | gonzaloaf | enouf, built in |
| 14:06.51 | g00se | I don't like the non-freeness of Opera. pity about that |
| 14:06.55 | gonzaloaf | enouf, system -> preferences -> remote desktop |
| 14:07.06 | enouf | gonzaloaf: i don't use gnome :-( |
| 14:07.18 | enouf | g00se: me neither |
| 14:08.20 | enouf | gonzaloaf: have you checked the /usr/share/doc/* info if any? (dpkg -L pkgname | less) also man pages? |
| 14:08.22 | g00se | enouf: So you're a minimalist? This browser issue is the only thorn in the side of my otherwise excellent xfce4 kit |
| 14:08.38 | enouf | g00se: utterly ;-) |
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| 14:08.54 | g00se | enouf: Oh of course i should have said me too ;-) |
| 14:08.59 | enouf | g00se: runs in Console or X, in GUI or TUI ;-) |
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| 14:09.35 | enouf | and one small binary and a few libs do it all ;-) |
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| 14:10.57 | gonzaloaf | enouf, yes |
| 14:11.36 | enouf | gonzaloaf: then perhaps your WM settings? or try irc.gnome.org ? |
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| 14:11.50 | wols_ | enouf: it's a gnome thing, what they call vnc server |
| 14:11.56 | wols_ | oops. late |
| 14:11.57 | gonzaloaf | enouf, yes thanks |
| 14:12.04 | enouf | np |
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| 14:13.34 | DexterF | ok, can someone have a look at this and tell me why it reports errors? http://pastebin.ca/936515 ( debootstrap, installing kernel image ) |
| 14:15.23 | g00se | enouf: What does - links2? |
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| 14:18.07 | enouf | g00se: ? |
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| 14:19.00 | enouf | g00se: [10:07:37] <enouf> g00se: runs in Console or X, in GUI or TUI ;-) <-- that? yes |
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| 14:22.17 | g00se | enouf: Sorry - keep getting called away ;-) |
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| 14:24.32 | rabby | hi |
| 14:24.42 | rabby | how to change the number of desktops? |
| 14:25.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | rabby, in gnome/kde/xorg? |
| 14:25.24 | DexterF | rabby: gnome, kde, xfce,...? |
| 14:25.29 | rabby | gnome |
| 14:25.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | right click on th workspaces display in the corner and select a newnumber |
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| 14:28.28 | adinc | i've a ibm intellistation and i would like to install debian onto it the default insstallation netinstaller cd doest even recognize the cd, what do i need to consider when installing? |
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| 14:30.01 | rabby | thx |
| 14:30.35 | rabby | do You have an idea, why DISPLAY=:0 works within the terminal but not within the shell? |
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| 14:34.34 | bdu | What is a good package for watching .mpg .avi .mov that I could 'aptitude install' ? I've tried 'apt-cache search multimedia' and didn't see anything that looked right. |
| 14:34.54 | tarzeau | bdu: mplayer ? |
| 14:35.01 | tarzeau | vlc is ok too |
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| 14:35.41 | bdu | tarzeau: thx I'll look into those |
| 14:35.41 | wols_ | !tell bdu about dmm |
| 14:35.44 | theatro | bdu, do you have this http://www.debian-multimedia.org in your sources.list? |
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| 14:35.52 | bdu | thx wols_ |
| 14:36.10 | bdu | theatro: not yet, but I can do that |
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| 14:36.33 | cy_` | hello |
| 14:36.34 | theatro | bdu, I suspect it is what the bot told you |
| 14:36.44 | theatro | hi |
| 14:36.49 | cy_` | how do i get a list of all the installed packages on a debian system (including theyre versions) ? |
| 14:37.01 | wols_ | dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 14:37.01 | dpkg | ii | grep ^ii 1.4-13 wols_'s private porn collection |
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| 14:37.15 | theatro | lol |
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| 14:37.45 | bdu | thx guys: I'll look into http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 14:37.55 | cy_` | thanks wols_ |
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| 14:38.47 | salvin | dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 14:38.47 | dpkg | ii | grep ^ii 2.4-1.1 salvin's private porn collection |
| 14:39.05 | salvin | dpkg -l |
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| 14:39.25 | salvin | dpkg -l try |
| 14:39.25 | dpkg | ii try 3.6-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 14:39.35 | salvin | lol |
| 14:39.46 | wols_ | salvin: dtop abusing the bot |
| 14:39.57 | salvin | 2 tries... |
| 14:40.00 | wols_ | *stop |
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| 14:40.58 | adinc | i am trying to install debian on an ibm computer, it starts from the cd but when it scans in order to mount the cd it hangs and the installatino procedure stops, what can i do? |
| 14:41.14 | wols_ | adinc: what chipset? |
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| 14:41.55 | adinc | wols_: what chipset the mainboard has? i dot know unfortunately, it is an ibm intellistation m pro |
| 14:42.40 | adinc | is there something i can do against it |
| 14:43.00 | wols_ | what cpu has it? |
| 14:43.25 | adinc | wols_: it has a pentium II, 2x |
| 14:43.37 | adinc | wols_: 2x intel pentium II |
| 14:43.48 | wols_ | you sure it's a P2? |
| 14:44.04 | adinc | wols_: yes im sure i can see the processors |
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| 14:44.30 | wols_ | how old is this machine? |
| 14:44.47 | adinc | i suppose it is quite old, several years |
| 14:45.20 | yhau | I was unable to mount a CD in Linux (I/O read errors), but in Windows it appears to work just fine. Is there some way to let Linux try harder? |
| 14:45.26 | wols_ | it should use an intel chipset and those are supported fine with debian |
| 14:45.33 | adinc | it boots the cd untill the installation procedure, then it tries to mount the cd and it doesnätt |
| 14:45.47 | adinc | i use a netinstallation debian cd |
| 14:47.45 | wols_ | it uses a LX chipset and that is definitely supported out of the box |
| 14:48.04 | adinc | what do you think it could be? |
| 14:48.34 | wols_ | "stops" how? can you switch to another virtual console? |
| 14:48.40 | adinc | the kernel during booting sees the cd - rom drive as hdc device |
| 14:49.00 | adinc | wols_: yes i can switch to other virtual terminals |
| 14:49.11 | adinc | the hardware detection just stops with scanning |
| 14:49.13 | wols_ | try to mount it there, manually |
| 14:49.23 | wols_ | run ps aux in 2nd console. kil a process |
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| 14:49.41 | wols_ | so it's the scanning process that hangs, not the cd read |
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| 14:49.46 | wols_ | do a expert install and don't scan |
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| 14:54.05 | g00se | Have reverted to iceape pro tem from iceweasel. Why would enter key in the address bar stop working? I'm having to do Ctrl-Shift-L or i can't go anywhere! |
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| 14:54.52 | cvn | hi how do i do a connection speed test on a server? |
| 14:56.02 | adinc | wols_: where do i have to mount it so that the installation procedure finds the cdrom |
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| 14:58.07 | adinc | i get following kernel informations kernel: ide-cd: cmd 0x28 timed out and hdc: DMA interrupt recoery, and hdc: lost interrupt |
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| 15:01.24 | msshams | hi, i configure and make my source successfuly. but when i run make install it say: |
| 15:01.24 | msshams | make[1]: Leaving directory ... |
| 15:01.34 | msshams | how can i solve this prb? |
| 15:03.06 | mbroeker | msshams, make clean; make; make install ? |
| 15:03.10 | cvn | hi how do i do a connection speed test on a server? |
| 15:03.11 | blubberdiblub | adinc: try to switch off dma transfers of your cdrom drive. it might have difficulties doing these |
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| 15:04.30 | msshams | mbroeker: yes, but i get previous error yet. |
| 15:05.05 | mbroeker | msshams, what source package? the kernel source or another application source? |
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| 15:05.31 | adinc | blubberdiblub: hopefully i can find out where i could switch off this in the bios |
| 15:05.45 | enouf | msshams: are you make install with root privs? |
| 15:06.09 | blubberdiblub | adinc: well, those are usually located in the settings related to the IDE controller |
| 15:06.30 | msshams | mbroeker: no, this is a theme engine |
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| 15:06.34 | msshams | enouf: yes |
| 15:06.38 | enouf | adinc: use the acpi=force option |
| 15:06.50 | adinc | blubberdiblub: yes, but there ii coul not find |
| 15:06.53 | adinc | enouf: ok |
| 15:06.54 | chops | msshams: Can you pastebin the exact command you're running and the full output? |
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| 15:07.04 | chops | msshams: The single line you pasted above is not an error. |
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| 15:07.16 | dusty_ | Hey guys, I have setup a simple iptables firewall that logs, but for some reason it logs to syslog,messages is there a way to get it to goto its on logfile and not those two so it doesn't fill them and so i dont miss important messages or syslog things? |
| 15:07.20 | enouf | adinc: i'm on a p2 here (not a dual) but still - here's my cmdline |
| 15:07.23 | enouf | $ cat /proc/cmdline |
| 15:07.23 | enouf | root=/dev/hdc1 ro vga=791 acpi=force lapic |
| 15:07.44 | adinc | enouf: ok thank you |
| 15:07.47 | mick_home | hi everyone, i have an easy question - how do i add a user to another group? in suse you have /etc/groups |
| 15:08.01 | enouf | adinc: well, i hopeit does the trick for you - there are other boot params to try as well |
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| 15:08.54 | mbroeker | msshams, this is a normal output of the make command, when switching(cd'ing) to a different directory http://rafb.net/p/7lKh7561.html |
| 15:09.01 | enouf | adinc: in BIOS., allow interrupts to be "Share/Use as Many as possible" and also disable any ISA resources there, if there aren't any being used |
| 15:09.38 | g00se | mick_home: sudo adduser name group |
| 15:10.13 | mick_home | g00se: that will work if a user already exists? |
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| 15:10.30 | g00se | mick_home: Yes |
| 15:10.38 | mick_home | sweet - thanks :D |
| 15:10.41 | hjb | !paste |
| 15:10.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:10.42 | msshams | chops: yes, please see this: http://phpfi.com/301738 |
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| 15:13.07 | msshams | mbroeker: so, why i can't see installed package? |
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| 15:13.19 | cvn | hi how do i do a connection speed test on a server? |
| 15:13.42 | mick_home | cvn: what kind of "speed test?" |
| 15:13.50 | mick_home | internet connection? |
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| 15:13.57 | cvn | yeah |
| 15:14.05 | cvn | like whats the average up and downstream |
| 15:14.13 | mick_home | speakeasy.com has something that will tell you |
| 15:14.19 | UserReg_CL | hi... need shared inet with debian ... |
| 15:14.25 | mick_home | there is also a FF extension |
| 15:14.33 | nios | hey mail server should i run if i want pop3imap ? |
| 15:14.34 | mick_home | cvn ^^^ |
| 15:14.44 | nios | sendmail has both smtp and imap/pop3 ? |
| 15:14.46 | mbroeker | msshams, the engine is installed in /usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines whatever it is |
| 15:14.51 | mick_home | nios: all do both |
| 15:15.02 | nios | okay nice |
| 15:15.29 | chops | msshams: So what's the problem? It says "Libraries have been installed in: /usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines"... are they not there? |
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| 15:15.43 | cvn | mick_home it's a trial? :\ |
| 15:15.44 | chops | msshams: If you can't access them from there... well... is this a package that exists in Debian? |
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| 15:16.23 | chops | msshams: Oh, wait, it seems to give you instructions on how to link against the libraries. What exactly are you trying to do, and what's happening that seems wrong to you? |
| 15:16.24 | mick_home | cvn: no, there is some web interface thing |
| 15:16.43 | mick_home | cvn: let me check, my boss tested our T1s on Friday w/ it |
| 15:17.38 | mick_home | cvn: sorryyyy, wrong url |
| 15:17.43 | cvn | hmm yeah i think its wrong |
| 15:17.45 | cvn | lol! |
| 15:17.56 | cvn | Econometric Modeling & Computing Corporation |
| 15:17.57 | mick_home | http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ |
| 15:18.10 | cvn | cool |
| 15:19.40 | cvn | mick_home does it work on debian? |
| 15:19.46 | cvn | looks like i need flash v7 |
| 15:20.03 | mick_home | not sure - he used OSX |
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| 15:20.23 | cvn | hehe then most probably not |
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| 15:20.44 | themill | UserReg_CL: perhaps look at the ipmasq package. That's an easy way of using your debian box for internet connection sharing. (Which I *think* is what you are looking for) |
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| 15:24.06 | Shadur | Ever since migrating our nameservers from bind8 to bind9 I've been receiving several complaints from customers that sometimes the nameservers can't be contacted or take too long to respond. The only thing I'm seeing that might be indicative is a suspiciously high system load on the nameservers, but the problem reports are coming from too many customers to dismiss as unreliable. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start looking? |
| 15:25.17 | petemc | Shadur: you can toggle verbose logging with rndc querylog , can sometimes be useful |
| 15:25.57 | Shadur | It's a fairly basic setup with about 2500 domains loaded, both serving those domains as authoritative nameserver and acting as DNS forwarder (Not happy about the latter part, but that setup predates my tenure here and I've not been given a choice in the matter) |
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| 15:26.45 | Shadur | petemc: I probably can. Hang on... |
| 15:26.59 | sordith | Shadur: have you tried the specialized channel #bind yet? |
| 15:27.34 | ezguy | which one makes a good mail server (postfix, exim or sendmail)? |
| 15:28.00 | hjb | ezguy hmm, all of them are working well, i think |
| 15:28.07 | Shadur | petemc: I'm getting roughly two dozen queries per second. |
| 15:28.08 | sordith | ezguy: there is a comparison out there on the web between certain MTA's |
| 15:28.11 | hjb | ezguy just use the one you like the most |
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| 15:28.37 | adinc | the acpi=force did not help |
| 15:29.05 | Shadur | sordith: Not yet. I went here first because the server in question is running debian. |
| 15:29.25 | sordith | ezguy: http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison |
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| 15:31.44 | Nyle | good morning |
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| 15:32.18 | sordith | Shadur: high load that is not directly caused by traffic can be due to memory leaks, as one example. another cause can be mis-configuration |
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| 15:34.02 | Nyle | oopp |
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| 15:34.35 | Shadur | sordith: The load isn't that high - just higher than I'd expect named to normally be. |
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| 15:35.57 | sordith | Shadur: i have to admit that i am no DNS nor a BIND expert to be of real use. i suggested the specialized channel not to get rid of you, but i think the chance is higher that somebody is able to take you through certain troubleshooting steps over there |
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| 15:36.24 | PriitM_Laptop | Hi, I got trouble with debian etch and rt61 wireless card. Wireless link quality is 0/100 for all(2) wireless areas over here. What Am I doing wrong? :P |
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| 15:36.39 | bombur | Please do not paste in the channel |
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| 15:39.08 | adinc | enouf: whatever i tried it did not help, i still ca not get the cdrom mounted, do you have any further ideas? |
| 15:39.39 | enouf | Shadur: just a guess, but might /usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html (avahi, mdns, nsswitch.conf) have something to do with it? |
| 15:40.01 | enouf | adinc: any specific error messages now? |
| 15:40.25 | bombur | enouf has enough |
| 15:40.31 | adinc | enouf: interrupt error it says, but i cant remember the error since it is on a different computer |
| 15:40.37 | enouf | adinc: the CD drive is correctly and properly recognized in BIOS and POST, yes?? |
| 15:40.51 | Shadur | enouf: I'm pretty sure I don't use mdns or avahi or nsswitch on those systems. |
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| 15:40.57 | bombur | enouf has enough |
| 15:40.59 | adinc | enouf: i can boot from the cd the debian netinstallation cd, so it should be ok, shouldnt it |
| 15:41.01 | enouf | adinc: do you have Plug-n-Play OS set to Enabled in BIOS? |
| 15:41.17 | enouf | Shadur: ok, was just a hunch |
| 15:41.18 | adinc | enouf: not yet, i wanted to enabled plugnplay, should i |
| 15:41.21 | bombur | enouf has enough |
| 15:41.25 | enouf | adinc: yes |
| 15:41.33 | enouf | bombur: quit it you tard |
| 15:41.37 | bombur | enouf has enough |
| 15:41.59 | enouf | !ops bombur being a monkey and aping nonsense |
| 15:41.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: bombur being a monkey and aping nonsense |
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| 15:42.30 | adinc | enouf: and should i use the acpi=force option? |
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| 15:42.56 | themill | thanks, mentor, azeem |
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| 15:43.50 | enouf | adinc: you could, yes - try both ways, other options might be pci=routeirq and others (print this out maybe) http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 15:43.59 | joh | Hi, I'm looking for a howto on mail routing. Specifically what I want is to route all local mail from exim4 to some internal mail server. Exim4 also must be configured to accept outgoing mail from the internal mail server (specifically error messages from the internal mail server). |
| 15:44.07 | enouf | thanks guys |
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| 15:46.31 | adinc | no, it did not help, it tries detecting the net/hw-detect.hotplug successfuly but when it tries cdrom-detect it stays at searching and then it gives following information ide-cd cmd 0x28 timed out kernel: hdc: DMA interrupt recovery and hdc: lost interrupt |
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| 15:47.38 | tenzind | !tar |
| 15:47.38 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
| 15:48.10 | adinc | enouf: any ideas`? |
| 15:48.26 | enouf | adinc: which CD is this? |
| 15:48.42 | adinc | enouf: it is the netinstallation cd, aprox. 140mb, |
| 15:48.47 | enouf | adinc: and are you sure that the hardware is all fine? |
| 15:48.50 | adinc | from debian.org |
| 15:48.57 | enouf | adinc: and is that a very recent CD? |
| 15:49.01 | adinc | yes, i think so |
| 15:49.07 | adinc | enouf: yes i just downloaded it today |
| 15:49.07 | joh | How is exim4's configuration on debian organized? Is the /etc/exim4/conf.d directory used at all? |
| 15:49.20 | enouf | adinc: try this; install generic.all_generic_ide=1 |
| 15:49.43 | petemc | joh: yes, you can edit the files in there and pull them together with update-exim4.conf - i would recommend not doing it that way if you're doing a lot of customization tho |
| 15:49.55 | adinc | the cd is on a separate ide bus as master, does it make differences |
| 15:50.13 | petemc | joh: if you put your own config at /etc/exim4/exim4.conf and restart exim, it will use that |
| 15:50.59 | joh | petemc: Ok :-/ |
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| 15:51.22 | joh | petemc: Got any docs on mail routing by any chance? |
| 15:51.29 | themill | !wayttd joh |
| 15:51.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, joh? |
| 15:51.32 | enouf | adinc: that sghould be fine - OH in the BIOS, make sure under IDE COntroiller it says Enabled -- Both |
| 15:51.40 | petemc | joh: other than the spec at exim.org, no |
| 15:51.55 | petemc | joh: you want a manualroute router to pass the mail to the internal machine |
| 15:52.10 | enouf | adinc: i can Disable one Channel on mine in BIOS if i desired |
| 15:52.22 | joh | themill: I want to route all mail from exim4 to some internal mail server. Exim4 also must be configured to accept outgoing mail from the internal mail server (specifically error messages from the internal mail server). |
| 15:52.22 | enouf | adinc: so make sure BOTH Channels is enabled |
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| 15:52.54 | enouf | adinc: i've had Linux see my CD and DVD drives even though the BIOS doesn't at times ;-) |
| 15:52.58 | joh | petemc: Yeah, I have a manualroute which used to work but after some fiddling with the configuration all I get is 550 Unrouteable address |
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| 15:53.19 | petemc | joh: exim -d -bt user@internaldomain |
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| 15:54.16 | joh | petemc: Thanks! |
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| 15:54.28 | petemc | joh: what you need to do is common, i would start from the default config at /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/example.conf.gz |
| 15:55.23 | joh | petemc: My 'send_to_gateway' router isn't even on the list. |
| 15:55.34 | petemc | why would it be? |
| 15:55.51 | petemc | joh: oh, wait - in the output of exim -bt ? |
| 15:56.00 | joh | petemc: Yep |
| 15:56.23 | petemc | joh: the routers are processed in the order they appear in the config, if a router matches a mail it will not be passed to further routers |
| 15:56.28 | enouf | adinc: are you sure the CD is ok? Verified your D/l md5sum or sha1/256 sum? |
| 15:56.36 | joh | petemc: I had it working but there was a problem with exim relaying mail uncritically, but somehow I managed to break the config now. |
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| 15:56.52 | petemc | joh: relaying is controlled with the acls |
| 15:56.58 | cvn | hi how do i set up ftp so that ppl can connect in and upload files? |
| 15:57.03 | enouf | adinc: you could use "verify cd" option? at boot prompt? see F1 - F10 keys for more info |
| 15:57.04 | adinc | enouf: yes the cd is ok, your kernel parameter generic.all_generic_ide=1 did solve the problem |
| 15:57.18 | enouf | adinc: ahh.. nice |
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| 15:57.25 | adinc | enouf: thank you very very much |
| 15:57.32 | joh | petemc: Hm, yes but when I get the response 'Unroutable address' I assume it should try every router, no? |
| 15:57.34 | adinc | but still i dont know what the problem was |
| 15:58.05 | petemc | joh: it depends, there are config options to tell it not to pass the message on to further routers |
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| 15:58.32 | petemc | joh: you can be sure exim will only do what its told |
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| 15:59.03 | joh | petemc: Yes, I'm just trying to figure out why my router doesn't appear in the list. |
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| 15:59.22 | petemc | joh: did what i said not make sense to you |
| 15:59.24 | petemc | ? |
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| 16:00.07 | joh | petemc: Yes, which config options would tell it to not pass the message on to further routers? |
| 16:00.20 | petemc | no_more |
| 16:00.32 | petemc | there are probbably others, exim is very flexible |
| 16:00.55 | petemc | joh: in either case, just move your send_to_gateway router to the top of the routers section |
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| 16:01.18 | enouf | adinc: you could ask about that in #debian-boot on oftc.net perhaps, all i know is it'll load all available modules? and your CDROM required a special one - see http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/cdrom/ and "man bootparam" as a nice manpage |
| 16:01.24 | joh | petemc: Ok |
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| 16:01.50 | ampex | if I've used install and depmod to install a kernel module, can I just remove the file and run depmod -a again to remove it properly? |
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| 16:02.32 | enouf | adinc: you're welcome |
| 16:02.36 | joh | petemc: It's second on the list but never called. |
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| 16:02.53 | wlan0 | Hi all.. |
| 16:03.00 | joh | petemc: The ones futher down the list are all checked. |
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| 16:03.10 | wlan0 | I use debian testing and I would like to configure my wireless card |
| 16:03.20 | joh | petemc: Actually it's already on the top of the list. |
| 16:03.25 | wlan0 | Its not detected..its an intel pro wireless |
| 16:04.42 | themill | wlan0: do you know specifically what chip? (2100, 2200, 3945 4695 etc) |
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| 16:05.33 | wlan0 | I think 3945.. I am trying to install that pkg via synaptic |
| 16:05.33 | Kauhsa | I have testing too and I should find a way to find out what is my wireless card |
| 16:05.47 | Kauhsa | But maybe I try google first |
| 16:06.05 | themill | wlan0: check in lspci then: lspci | grep -i net |
| 16:06.05 | joh | petemc: Heck, the send_to_gateway router isn't even in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
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| 16:06.40 | petemc | joh: i did tell you if you wanted to customise to put your config at /etc/exim4/exim4.conf |
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| 16:06.52 | _ZeuZ_ | guys, I need a command that can do the opposite to grep, I mean, ignore the lines that have a given pattern... |
| 16:07.00 | themill | -v |
| 16:07.01 | petemc | grep -v ? |
| 16:07.23 | _ZeuZ_ | oh.. thanks |
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| 16:07.32 | ctp_ | hi folks. anyone has a hint how to get this scenario working: i have to encrypt a debian system running from a cf card. but it's important, that it can only be decrypted on same device. i wanna prevent someone to put the card in any other machine and boot from. |
| 16:07.45 | joh | petemc: I thought you also told me that I could also customize in /etc/exim4/conf.d ? |
| 16:08.17 | petemc | joh: i did, and that you use update-exim4.conf to pull it all together - there are other factors to consider as well tho |
| 16:08.22 | Nyle | cf cards only can contain a fat can't they? |
| 16:08.41 | petemc | joh: i think its fair to say you shouldnt consider talking to me to be a substitute for reading the documentation |
| 16:09.07 | joh | petemc: Yeah, thanks for your time. |
| 16:09.10 | petemc | np |
| 16:09.27 | helo | Nyle: no, they can contain any fs if your mobo has a cf->ide support |
| 16:09.28 | Nyle | yeh you tell 'im |
| 16:09.55 | _ZeuZ_ | Anybody could tell me what would be considered a nice set of tweaks to a Debian host to become a powerfull server? I'm allready using linux'igd, tcng, and iptable rules for security... |
| 16:09.57 | helo | well, even if it doesn't... but you can boot off of them that way :) |
| 16:10.19 | petemc | joh: one last thing, i wouldnt waste much time learning how the debian way works, just use your own config |
| 16:10.22 | Nyle | ^ |
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| 16:11.08 | Nyle | helo, that I did not know |
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| 16:12.01 | FLUXxXx | Hello! Does anyone know a software or web application that generates graphs or stats about: network usage (how much traffic transffered and what speeds), apache usage (nr of hits, what links got hits etc), cpu and mem usage (how much and WHEN) and so on ? |
| 16:12.02 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, /msg dpkg da.org |
| 16:13.22 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, add more memory maybe a few multicode cpus, some scsi raid controllers and 15k rpm drives and get some gigabit ethernet |
| 16:13.37 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, that _might_ make it powerful. |
| 16:13.45 | DustyBin | is it possible to get sub pixel hinting working in debian lenny? |
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| 16:14.11 | Nyle | FLUXxXx, I think maybe phpsysinfo might do that I'm not sure |
| 16:14.15 | petemc | w |
| 16:14.19 | Nyle | FLUXxXx, it does a lot, but you mean apache |
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| 16:14.54 | Nyle | er.. in apache? |
| 16:16.03 | joh | petemc: Just got it working again :-) Problem was it was trying to use the non-split config. I probably removed the dc_splitconfig by accident. |
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| 16:16.19 | joh | petemc: dc_use_split_config even |
| 16:16.25 | Nyle | well I guess maybe the apache stats module is not doing graphs |
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| 16:17.44 | BadRobot | does someone in here uses Elisa Media Player? |
| 16:17.46 | newbie | hello |
| 16:17.49 | Nyle | FLUXxXx, you could log everything and use webalizer maybe? I think you might want #apache |
| 16:18.03 | Nyle | !tell BadRobot -about anyone |
| 16:18.09 | Nyle | newbie, hi |
| 16:18.19 | newbie | hy, |
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| 16:18.44 | BadRobot | Yes they do |
| 16:18.51 | newbie | i have finish at the moment one test one cisco systems for certification ccna |
| 16:19.13 | Nyle | newbie, do you have a debian related question? |
| 16:19.47 | newbie | but i think to leave the course, it's not for me, is all winzozz based, and all in english |
| 16:20.34 | Nyle | I'm sorry to hear that. You should install debian if you have not already done so. |
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| 16:21.30 | newbie | in Italy ? it's impossible, in this course i asked for a GNU/linux Debian, they said me to take or leave the course |
| 16:21.56 | newbie | if you think was spent 18.000 euros for the classroom |
| 16:22.09 | Nyle | newbie, please go to ##defocus |
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| 16:22.15 | newbie | when was possible to spent 50 cent of euros |
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| 16:22.51 | newbie | join ##defocus |
| 16:22.57 | Nyle | use a / |
| 16:22.58 | tore_ | FLUXxXx: munin + webalizer |
| 16:23.07 | Nyle | tore_, munin? |
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| 16:23.24 | Nyle | !munin |
| 16:23.24 | dpkg | munin is a information graphing system for multiple systems based on rrd. See http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/ and http://munin.ping.uio.no/ FE. |
| 16:23.24 | wols_ | !info mumin |
| 16:23.27 | Nyle | ahh |
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| 16:23.54 | Nyle | dpkg munin is also http://sourceforge.net/projects/munin/ |
| 16:23.54 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
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| 16:24.39 | newbie | i turn back to use openwrt on linksys wrt54g and to study tcp/ip without to do confusion in my head |
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| 16:28.30 | BadRobot | is there anyway to install Firefox 3 Beta 3 on debian+ |
| 16:28.32 | BadRobot | ? |
| 16:29.24 | orangey | hey all! |
| 16:29.34 | orangey | I was wondering what people think is the best all-around IMAP server? |
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| 16:30.27 | DanglyBits | how do i install kde4 into lenny? |
| 16:31.07 | jelly | !kde4 |
| 16:31.07 | dpkg | kde4 is probably a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
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| 16:33.25 | jkl | Hi, I would like to know the way that apache2 debian package have been compiled.. (well in general where is possible to find the way that package have been compiled) |
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| 16:33.54 | jkl | http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/apache |
| 16:34.29 | jkl | There are thing here.. but not process. |
| 16:34.36 | liable | jkl: apt-get source apache .. and read the debian/rules file |
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| 16:35.11 | jkl | liable cool thank you. |
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| 16:38.02 | joh | Hmm, why does the 'dnslookup' router allow relaying? |
| 16:38.05 | joh | (exim4) |
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| 16:39.40 | petemc | joh: i already told you that is controlled by the acls |
| 16:40.00 | petemc | the dnslookup router, surprisingly, does a dns lookup |
| 16:40.04 | joh | petemc: Oh, my bad |
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| 16:42.01 | joh | petemc: How to debug the ACL rules? |
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| 16:42.19 | petemc | exim4 -bhc 1.2.3.4 |
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| 16:42.39 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 16:42.47 | zwox | hi there |
| 16:42.50 | joh | petemc: thanks! |
| 16:42.54 | SamuraiDio | can anyone help? http://pastebin.com/d395938c0 |
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| 16:43.41 | zwox | i need help leaaaaaaaaaaase i'm getin' crazy |
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| 16:44.06 | Nyle | zwox, seek a psychiatrist. |
| 16:44.20 | zwox | does someone know how to fix a whote screen with compiz running on aiglx with fglrx driver ? |
| 16:44.29 | zwox | Nyle: thank you |
| 16:44.31 | Nyle | zwox, I do |
| 16:44.37 | Nyle | zwox, join #compiz-fusion and ask there |
| 16:44.54 | Nyle | zwox, I don't use 'compiz' but the one with the fusion |
| 16:45.03 | Nyle | and I have aiglx/fglrx cat.8.3 |
| 16:45.31 | zwox | Nyle: i'm tryiung to use compiz-fusion on a debian sid |
| 16:45.45 | zwox | everything goes well except the white screen |
| 16:45.53 | Nyle | zwox, ask there, they are experts |
| 16:45.54 | SamuraiDio | zwox, there's a good tutorial.... |
| 16:46.21 | Nyle | zwox, it might require you do to change an obscure option somewhere or a config file |
| 16:46.27 | SamuraiDio | !tell zwox about compiz |
| 16:46.29 | Nyle | zwox, ask there. |
| 16:46.32 | zwox | thank you Nyle i'm oalready on the chann but it seems no one knows ... well ... i'll wait |
| 16:46.39 | Nyle | SamuraiDio, which debian release? |
| 16:47.02 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, anyone since etch can run compiz fine |
| 16:47.17 | zwox | Nyle: i think the problem is in xorg.conf but i don't know where |
| 16:47.20 | Nyle | SamuraiDio, you have a tuxguitar issue or not. Which release? |
| 16:47.21 | zwox | i've edited it |
| 16:47.35 | johndoevodka | which 32 bit version of debian lenny would you suggest? |
| 16:47.53 | johndoevodka | 386,486,686,... |
| 16:47.56 | Nyle | zwox, I don' either, I don't know how to fix it, which is why I asked you to ask there, someone will be around, I know that place well. Many ati gurus there. |
| 16:48.04 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, ahh, sorry, i get confused with the compiz-talk.... |
| 16:48.12 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, its the latest from lenny |
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| 16:48.28 | Nyle | SamuraiDio, other java apps run fine? |
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| 16:48.34 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, depends on your cpu |
| 16:48.43 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: its an amd64 |
| 16:48.44 | Nyle | if only tuxguitar gives problem then check the BTS |
| 16:48.50 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, hmm... eclipse runs fine |
| 16:49.01 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: i currently have 64 bit but i displeases me |
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| 16:49.41 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, if you want a 32bit userland just install an x86 version |
| 16:49.44 | Nyle | Package: tuxguitar Version: 0.9.1-4 Severity: important Tuxguitar stopped working in Debian unstable maybe a week ago. |
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| 16:49.51 | Nyle | Feb 15, 11:30 pm |
| 16:49.58 | helo | why might this machine take a very long time to shutdown trying to release its ip? |
| 16:49.58 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, i use a 64bit and its all fine |
| 16:50.04 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: i hate some bugs |
| 16:50.09 | johndoevodka | flash |
| 16:50.14 | johndoevodka | some others i cant remember atm |
| 16:50.17 | Nyle | SamuraiDio, which jre do you have? |
| 16:50.18 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, of, thanks, i'll chekc the bug reports |
| 16:50.18 | johndoevodka | wine |
| 16:50.23 | johndoevodka | is buggy as hell in 64bit |
| 16:50.41 | Nyle | johndoevodka, works fine here, hasn't crashed any browser yet |
| 16:50.48 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, wich debian version? |
| 16:50.49 | Nyle | and I watch lots of flash |
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| 16:51.04 | johndoevodka | Linux debian-ivan 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Nov 4 18:18:09 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:51.10 | helo | is there a guide explaining how to creating a set of pxe files that can be used to replicate a particular debian installation? |
| 16:51.12 | johndoevodka | im using ndiswrapper |
| 16:51.38 | Nyle | SamuraiDio, why don't you have apt-listbugs installed if you are using lenny or sid |
| 16:51.41 | Nyle | ? |
| 16:52.10 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, i run windows 3d (fps) games on wine without any problem, als i run iceweasel with flash plugin, ooo with the ia32libs, and i'm just building a 32but chroot to runopera and skype |
| 16:52.26 | Nyle | helo, you don't mean a pxeboot install method do you? |
| 16:52.32 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, whatst that? |
| 16:52.44 | Nyle | SamuraiDio, I'm sure you can find out. |
| 16:52.48 | helo | Nyle: network install to local media |
| 16:52.59 | Nyle | helo, yes |
| 16:53.08 | Nyle | helo, consult the install guide, chapters 3,4,5 |
| 16:53.16 | Nyle | but all of it is good to read |
| 16:53.33 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, hehe, sure. the question is more like "i dont know of it" then a question itself... 8\ |
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| 16:53.47 | Nyle | SamuraiDio, apt-cache show pkgname |
| 16:53.55 | Nyle | SamuraiDio, apt-cache show apt-listbugs |
| 16:54.14 | SamuraiDio | sure |
| 16:54.29 | helo | Nyle: omg, i didn't know that was in the install guide... thanks :D |
| 16:54.30 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, i asked about the debian version, not userland and kernel |
| 16:54.47 | foo | Where can I get a list of the debian mirrors? |
| 16:54.48 | Nyle | is that sarcasm? |
| 16:55.06 | Nyle | how could you not know that the installation guide would have instructions on ... how to install!? |
| 16:55.07 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:55.13 | johndoevodka | ok |
| 16:55.17 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:55.17 | hjb | What's the difference between mbmon and lm-sensors? |
| 16:55.19 | opensrcguru | x |
| 16:55.29 | johndoevodka | lenny/sid |
| 16:55.55 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, same as mine, and everything works fine here |
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| 16:56.23 | johndoevodka | you use ndiswrapper? |
| 16:56.31 | Tomas | are there a .deb for jsdoc? |
| 16:56.32 | Nyle | helo, anyway you want specifically 4.6 and 5.1.5 in the /msg dpkg ig |
| 16:56.33 | johndoevodka | o yea, no madwifi drivers for 64 bit too .... |
| 16:56.49 | johndoevodka | i mean nsplugin |
| 16:56.52 | johndoevodka | for flash |
| 16:56.55 | Nyle | what I discovered recently is fairly cool |
| 16:57.05 | johndoevodka | npviewer.bin |
| 16:57.08 | Nyle | 32bit userland + 64bit kernel + 64bit chroot |
| 16:57.25 | Nyle | you get a working system AND your 64 bit software |
| 16:57.37 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, in anycase, there's just two options for you, 32bit and 64 bit installation. not the kernel, that architectures you mentioned before (i384, i486, i686) are present just in the kernels |
| 16:57.38 | Nyle | and you have a 64bit kernel with all the memory benefits etc. etc. |
| 16:57.42 | joh | petemc: 'acl_smtp_rcpt = accept' would accept all recipients, right? |
| 16:57.59 | johndoevodka | whats the use of 64bit anyway? |
| 16:58.03 | johndoevodka | didnt notice it at all... |
| 16:58.09 | johndoevodka | whats the fucking fuss with it |
| 16:58.17 | Nyle | johndoevodka, chill. |
| 16:58.21 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 16:58.21 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 16:58.34 | Nyle | look on wikipedia too about 64bit |
| 16:58.34 | johndoevodka | yes, they pointed me at that before |
| 16:59.14 | SamuraiDio | there's no ned for a 64bit chroot if you're running a 32 bit system.. maybe just for debugging and devlop pouposes... |
| 16:59.22 | Nyle | SamuraiDio, why not? |
| 16:59.30 | SamuraiDio | i cant see a reason |
| 17:00.19 | SamuraiDio | i'm installing a 32bit chroot under my 64bit system just torun opera and skype, everything else runs on 64bit |
| 17:00.54 | petemc | joh: no |
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| 17:01.49 | Nyle | Jah! |
| 17:01.50 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, a 64 bit installation (i mean the entire system, not just the kernel) may use the full advantages of you cpu, but usually, a 32bit system with a 64bit kernel is enough |
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| 17:02.16 | Nyle | life is the most precious gift Jah has given us *puff* |
| 17:02.32 | cedric3 | hi all when i want to install package (debian sarge) i have this error Starting NFS common utilities: statdinvoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-common, action "start" failed. |
| 17:02.38 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: of what cpu advantages are we talking here? there aint any... |
| 17:02.40 | fcnguy | is it possible to install xp without formatting the whole drive if i have one or 2 linux already installed? |
| 17:02.44 | cedric3 | i don't know why |
| 17:02.44 | Nyle | SamuraiDio, so that is what I was saying |
| 17:02.48 | cedric3 | if yo ucan help me |
| 17:02.50 | foo | My sources.list got replaced by some other mirrors. Where can I get a list of the default mirrors at ? |
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| 17:03.02 | Nyle | !tell foo -about sources.list |
| 17:03.05 | foo | Nyle: thank you |
| 17:03.09 | cedric3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.51 | Nyle | cedric3, I believe security support and official support for oldstable might stop after this month |
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| 17:04.05 | Nyle | cedric3, check debian.org for more details retarding the announcement |
| 17:04.13 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, well, i think you may see the differences jus by software compilation and great graphical experiences. usully, those things that use all of yout cpu resources... |
| 17:04.26 | Nyle | cedric3, which package are you installing? |
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| 17:04.42 | Nyle | haha |
| 17:04.46 | Nyle | retarding*/regarding |
| 17:04.48 | SamuraiDio | sorry, i missed some keys on my keyboard... |
| 17:04.59 | cedric3 | Nyle: apt-get install nfs-common |
| 17:05.22 | Nyle | cedric3, cedric3 and ntfs-kernel-server? |
| 17:05.23 | cedric3 | Nyle : all packages i have this error |
| 17:05.59 | cedric3 | Nyle : i have not this packages E: Couldn't find package ntfs-kernel-server |
| 17:06.02 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: i didnt need those things so i removed windows ;) |
| 17:06.10 | Nyle | cedric3, nfs |
| 17:06.19 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, those things? :| |
| 17:06.24 | joh | petemc: Actually, that was the problem. The previous sysadmin had just put 'acl_smtp_rcpt = accept' and messages never reached acl_check_rcpt :-) |
| 17:06.30 | joh | petemc: Thank you for your assistance! |
| 17:07.09 | cedric3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.09 | cedric3 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nfs-kernel-server: |
| 17:07.14 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, if you could say something on windows that isn't present on linux (regarless of virus) please, tell me |
| 17:07.20 | cedric3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.20 | cedric3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.35 | cedric3 | Nyle : i can't install it |
| 17:07.44 | Nyle | hang on |
| 17:07.59 | cedric3 | Nyle : i don't understand |
| 17:08.10 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: im supporting linux here, not windows dummy |
| 17:08.23 | johndoevodka | it pissed me off too |
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| 17:08.29 | johndoevodka | linux is a breeze |
| 17:08.37 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, hehe, i see ^^ |
| 17:08.38 | Rooster1a2 | cedric: dpkg reconfigure nfs-common? |
| 17:08.45 | Rooster1a2 | i dont remember the cmd off hand |
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| 17:08.58 | azeem | cedric3: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
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| 17:09.32 | cedric3 | azeem : ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 17:09.48 | azeem | ok |
| 17:09.58 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, whats your problem with ndiswrapper? |
| 17:10.09 | azeem | cedric3: why do you need sarge? |
| 17:10.13 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: cant use aircrack :/ |
| 17:10.18 | johndoevodka | and its buggy soemtimes |
| 17:10.31 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, whats that? |
| 17:10.45 | cedric3 | azeem : because my friend must use sarge for a test |
| 17:10.47 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: for cracking wireless passwords |
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| 17:10.58 | cedric3 | azeem : why i have there problems do you know ? |
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| 17:11.01 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: it was one of the reason i migrated to linux |
| 17:11.27 | azeem | cedric3: for a test? |
| 17:11.28 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, whats your wireless card? is it working well? |
| 17:11.41 | azeem | cedric3: sarge is no longer supported from next month on, is this for a server? |
| 17:11.54 | DexterF | !fglrx |
| 17:11.54 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method. |
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| 17:12.08 | DexterF | !fglrx one-liner |
| 17:12.09 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 17:12.12 | cedric3 | azeem : for a test after if he want he install a etch but now he must use sarge |
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| 17:12.44 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: everythings cool, im just frustrated a bit |
| 17:12.50 | Rooster1a2 | cedric: have you tried purging nfs-common and reinstalling? |
| 17:13.05 | azeem | cedric3: so pastebin the full output of "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 17:13.10 | Nyle | dpkg fglrx is also see </msg dpkg ati> |
| 17:13.10 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
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| 17:14.06 | cedric3 | azeem : but i d |
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| 17:14.11 | cedric3 | azeem : http://pastebin.ca/936768 |
| 17:14.38 | cedric3 | azeem : i have no a good version of nfs-common no ? |
| 17:14.55 | Nyle | SamuraiDio, Holy Driver! |
| 17:14.58 | azeem | cedric3: what does "dpkg -l nfs-common | tail -1" say? |
| 17:15.15 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, ndiswrapper uses windows drivers, so it may not work properly sometimes, just preffer the native linux modules if avaiable (its better to get support also) |
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| 17:15.27 | cedric3 | azeem : iF nfs-common 1.0.6-3.1 NFS support files common to client and serve |
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| 17:15.36 | fcnguy | how can i reinstall grub i installed windows after linux and the grub is gone |
| 17:15.51 | azeem | cedric3: ok |
| 17:15.51 | Rooster1a2 | do you have a grub floppy? |
| 17:15.54 | Nyle | cedric3, I can't find anything on google regarding that |
| 17:16.03 | azeem | cedric3: try to run /etc/init.d/nfs-common start manually |
| 17:16.04 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: dont you think i know that already ;) |
| 17:16.06 | Nyle | I have a sarge box with nfs running |
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| 17:16.47 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, well, i coudn't know :\ |
| 17:17.02 | johndoevodka | :/ |
| 17:17.05 | DexterF | so.. there are fglrx packages in etch? surprise to me |
| 17:17.20 | dutchfish | Nyle, cedric3 if this is etch, i had same problem ones and resolved it by apt-get install --reinstall nfs-common after an apt-get clean |
| 17:17.30 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, your problem may not be with the userland (system archtecture) |
| 17:17.51 | johndoevodka | SamuraiDio: so its the kernel? |
| 17:17.53 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.09 | johndoevodka | userland is lenny/sid right? |
| 17:18.11 | cedric3 | dutchfish : no it's a sarge debian |
| 17:18.12 | Nyle | dutchfish, I see |
| 17:18.19 | Nyle | johndoevodka, ...? no |
| 17:18.22 | dutchfish | cedric3, ok |
| 17:18.37 | johndoevodka | .... just forget about it all |
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| 17:19.17 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, i dont think is any of it, since you have installed taht crack-thing from source, or through apt |
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| 17:19.41 | johndoevodka | ndiswrapper aint supported >.< |
| 17:19.45 | johndoevodka | thats why i need madwifi |
| 17:19.51 | johndoevodka | which aint supported on 64 bit |
| 17:19.57 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, hmm... |
| 17:19.58 | johndoevodka | 32bit got support before 3 months |
| 17:20.06 | johndoevodka | which is shit |
| 17:20.11 | johndoevodka | stupid atheros |
| 17:20.20 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, whats your wirwless card? |
| 17:20.24 | johndoevodka | dude |
| 17:20.28 | johndoevodka | you cant help me |
| 17:20.35 | streuner | johndoevodka: any other NIC is in that box? |
| 17:20.46 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, i see |
| 17:20.50 | johndoevodka | normal ethernet |
| 17:20.58 | DawnLight | atheros atupid? atheros rux |
| 17:21.01 | cedric3 | azeem : have you any idea ? |
| 17:21.03 | streuner | johndoevodka: hm, what chipset (wifi)? |
| 17:21.07 | johndoevodka | .... |
| 17:21.13 | azeem | 18:15 < azeem> cedric3: try to run /etc/init.d/nfs-common start manually |
| 17:21.28 | DawnLight | johndoevodka: madwifi isn't supported on 64? what? |
| 17:21.41 | streuner | johndoevodka: we need to know the chipset, we are might able to help then |
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| 17:22.23 | cedric3 | azeem : when i type this it's ok i have not a error |
| 17:22.59 | streuner | johndoevodka: madwifi is fine, keep in mind ndiswrapper use windows-drivers (some people use them, if there is no driver in Linux) |
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| 17:24.10 | azeem | cedric3: what's the full output? |
| 17:24.36 | streuner | johndoevodka: find out what chipset you have and search via madwifi.org and groups.google.com about |
| 17:24.46 | cedric3 | azeem : Starting NFS common utilities: statd |
| 17:24.55 | streuner | johndoevodka: there is also #madwifi here on FN |
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| 17:25.06 | azeem | hrm |
| 17:25.20 | streuner | #madwifi 84 MadWiFi (Atheros on Linux) project channel |
| 17:25.25 | azeem | cedric3: then maybe try this: "/etc/init.d/nfs-common stop && dpkg --configure -a" |
| 17:25.48 | cedric3 | azeem : Setting up nfs-kernel-server (1.0.6-3.1) ... |
| 17:25.48 | cedric3 | Not starting NFS kernel daemon: No exports. |
| 17:25.55 | johndoevodka | streuner: http://madwifi.org/ticket/1679 |
| 17:26.21 | streuner | oh :-) |
| 17:26.34 | streuner | works fine with ndiswrapper :-) |
| 17:26.46 | streuner | or you have to patch that bitch :-) |
| 17:27.00 | azeem | cedric3: and then? |
| 17:27.03 | DexterF | !ntfs |
| 17:27.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 17:27.25 | DexterF | apt deosnt find anything like ntfs-3g, how come? |
| 17:27.36 | dutchfish | !ntsf3g |
| 17:27.37 | azeem | DexterF: it's not in etch, only etch-backports I think |
| 17:27.40 | Nyle | !dppkgbot |
| 17:27.42 | themill | DexterF: etch-backports |
| 17:27.43 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 17:27.43 | dpkg | somebody said dpkgbot was Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 17:27.56 | DexterF | azeem, themill thanks |
| 17:28.00 | themill | DexterF: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:28.05 | streuner | johndoevodka: Toshiba-L40? |
| 17:28.10 | SamuraiDio | johndoevodka, madwifi supports 64bit, just that patch not |
| 17:28.18 | cedric3 | azeem : i don't know i try now |
| 17:28.22 | azeem | cedric3: what? |
| 17:28.28 | azeem | did you run the above command or not? |
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| 17:28.51 | streuner | SamuraiDio: well, ask in #madwifi about, there are usually hanging some devel around... |
| 17:29.02 | streuner | johndoe: ^^^ |
| 17:29.08 | themill | he's gone |
| 17:29.23 | dutchfish | !tell DexterF about ntfs3g |
| 17:29.35 | streuner | themill: yeah, after nick-completition doesnt work, i got it |
| 17:29.39 | cedric3 | azeem : the installation work now i think i don't know why but i have not the error message |
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| 17:30.28 | azeem | cedric3: so what does "dpkg --configure -a" output? Nothing? |
| 17:30.35 | azeem | cedric3: and "apt-get -f install"? |
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| 17:31.38 | cedric3 | azeem : when i type dpkg --configure -a i have nothing and apt-get -f install 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. |
| 17:31.50 | azeem | cedric3: ok, so that sounds like it's fixed then |
| 17:32.05 | azeem | cedric3: again, sarge is no longer supported, you should not run this on any servers on the internet |
| 17:32.09 | cedric3 | azeem : how it fixed what manipulation fixe that? |
| 17:32.22 | cedric3 | azeem : yes it's just for test :) |
| 17:32.43 | cedric3 | azeem : because if i have the same probleme to solve this |
| 17:32.52 | azeem | cedric3: you didn't provide enough information to say, but I assume the problem was that statd was already running somehow, so the postinst script failed at starting it |
| 17:32.56 | DexterF | dutchfish: uh huh |
| 17:33.28 | dutchfish | DexterF, whats is your question? |
| 17:33.41 | DexterF | dutchfish: nothing, was about the bpo hint |
| 17:33.48 | CharminTheMoose | does anyone know if it's possible to compile the loadlin version that's in the etch repos with tasm? |
| 17:33.49 | cedric3 | azeem : ok very thanks for your help |
| 17:33.55 | CharminTheMoose | s/tasm/nasm/g |
| 17:34.13 | dutchfish | DexterF, yep |
| 17:34.21 | cedric3 | cedric3 : i can use my debian :) thanks |
| 17:34.29 | zok | So I've got a problem: When I boot my computer it boots into debian just fine. Then it prompts me with a cool GUI telling me to log in. When I log in, it doesn't load a window manager. It just sits at a gray screen |
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| 17:34.43 | zok | What could cause this? What error logs should I check? |
| 17:34.48 | zok | How many bosses will there be? |
| 17:35.06 | helo | there are no bosses |
| 17:35.11 | zok | Oh good |
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| 17:35.25 | DawnLight | zok: do you have a window manager installed? |
| 17:35.29 | zok | Yes |
| 17:35.36 | zok | I was running gnome just a while ago |
| 17:35.42 | zok | Then I did a few upgrades with synaptic |
| 17:35.43 | zok | And boom |
| 17:35.48 | helo | but you will probably have to club a baby seal |
| 17:36.14 | zok | Where am I gonna find one of those in ohio? |
| 17:36.35 | zok | But really, I'm lost here |
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| 17:37.25 | zok | Does anyone know of an error log that I could check? |
| 17:37.42 | helo | look in ~/.xsession-errors perhaps |
| 17:38.22 | zok | Hrm, nothing apparent in there |
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| 17:38.36 | zok | In fact, there are no errors, just notices |
| 17:38.46 | helo | in gdm, what session is it set to use? |
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| 17:39.25 | zok | I tried Metacity and "default" |
| 17:39.30 | zok | Whatever default is |
| 17:39.32 | dutchfish | zok, maybe /etc/X11/xorg.conf has been hosed, check your logs Xorg.0.log or reconfigure with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 17:40.55 | zok | Just checked Xorg.0.log |
| 17:40.59 | zok | Nothing that would indicate a problem |
| 17:41.09 | dutchfish | zok, and you use gnome? |
| 17:41.20 | zok | Yeah |
| 17:41.30 | zok | That's the default, isn't it? |
| 17:41.32 | dutchfish | zok, gdm should point to that again |
| 17:41.47 | zok | How do I make gdm point to that? |
| 17:41.48 | dutchfish | zok, default can be anything |
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| 17:42.14 | zok | Crap, nevermind. I'll be back in an hour or so. I gotta run to class |
| 17:42.15 | zok | I'm late |
| 17:42.20 | zok | Thanks for your help thus far! |
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| 17:44.31 | dutchfish | zok, dpkg-reconfigure gnome |
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| 17:45.13 | Roge | how goes debbers |
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| 17:46.19 | helo | fucking cf manufacturers! this '1GB' kingston is really 1008MB |
| 17:46.31 | madclicker | hi is there a way to assign /dev/scd0 to /dev/cdrom, /dev/scd1 /dev/cdrom1? |
| 17:46.32 | DDave | looooooool |
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| 17:46.38 | DDave | that's what you call "ownage" |
| 17:46.43 | dutchfish | helo, watch your language please |
| 17:47.03 | CY`Octal | Hi guys, I am getting a problem with my new debian: I have no sound: |
| 17:47.12 | themill | helo: they'd probably say that you got 8MB more than you paid for and that you should be happy... |
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| 17:47.38 | CY`Octal | I have two cards in fact: One integrated chipset Realtek ALC888 and an ATI HDMI Audio Device |
| 17:47.51 | CY`Octal | But even if I install drivers for Realtek, sound doesn't work |
| 17:47.56 | CY`Octal | What should I do ? |
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| 17:48.02 | Roge | helo, they found a loop hole to market things as being bigger then they are |
| 17:48.13 | DawnLight | CY`Octal: how are you installing drivers? |
| 17:48.22 | Roge | i believe it just use's different metrics to make it sounds bigger |
| 17:48.26 | CY`Octal | DawnLight, I downloaded it from the Realtek site |
| 17:48.34 | DawnLight | CY`Octal: very bad. |
| 17:48.35 | CY`Octal | Uncompressing and ./install on a tty terminal |
| 17:48.55 | CY`Octal | It worked when I had a Geforce FX 5600 |
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| 17:49.03 | DawnLight | !tell CY`Octal about tdw |
| 17:49.07 | CY`Octal | But with my new ATI, it doesn't work |
| 17:49.30 | CY`Octal | Mh well |
| 17:49.35 | CY`Octal | what is the debian way ? |
| 17:49.44 | lrp | hello everybody !!! im having a trouble , Segmentation faultsts... 6% what is this message , when i try to install some package ???? |
| 17:49.57 | DawnLight | CY`Octal: debian has a package management system. if you treat it as if it were ms windows, it will break |
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| 17:50.31 | DawnLight | CY`Octal: you should first undo what you did |
| 17:50.36 | enouf | lrp: that's a really old issue, iinm |
| 17:50.37 | dutchfish | lrp, can be anything, in order of likelyhood HD, memmory, driver issues |
| 17:50.38 | CY`Octal | So, should I install some packages ? |
| 17:50.44 | enouf | !mmap |
| 17:50.44 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 17:51.01 | enouf | not sure, that's the issue .. hrm |
| 17:51.12 | CY`Octal | DawnLight, ok and after ? |
| 17:51.18 | enouf | i recall the 5% thing being related to the Installer only |
| 17:51.22 | helo | Here, do thou read this fine manual, and put upon thyself this diaper, for thou dost pollute the very air. |
| 17:51.23 | DawnLight | !tell CY`Octal about alsa |
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| 17:51.37 | enouf | lrp: check your RAM? |
| 17:51.43 | DawnLight | !tell CY`Octal about alsa-install |
| 17:51.46 | lrp | my ram ? |
| 17:51.46 | CY`Octal | I tried to confil alsa drivers |
| 17:51.51 | CY`Octal | compil* |
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| 17:51.59 | enouf | no, your RAM |
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| 17:52.10 | lrp | enouf: i have 512 mb of ram |
| 17:52.12 | SparFux | What ram? |
| 17:52.26 | helo | dutchfish: http://wiki.debian.org/PoundDebianGuidelines |
| 17:52.28 | SparFux | I have 8 GB. I can borrow you some. |
| 17:52.29 | enouf | you don't have 512mb ;-) but nm |
| 17:52.39 | lrp | i mean when i try to install some package he said Segmentation faultsts... |
| 17:52.47 | CY`Octal | !tell CY`Octal about 2.4 alsaone-liner |
| 17:53.01 | enouf | lrp: what release? and pastebin the command and error entirely |
| 17:53.02 | CY`Octal | bah ! |
| 17:53.05 | SparFux | lrp: segfaults can be cause by faulty ram! |
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| 17:53.17 | smacnay | Other than gnucash, is there an app that can do invoicing? |
| 17:53.23 | lrp | enouf: ok |
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| 17:54.01 | dutchfish | memtest86+ |
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| 17:54.04 | enouf | lrp: also pastebin output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 and cat /etc/apt/sources.liit |
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| 17:54.12 | enouf | sources.list lrp |
| 17:54.25 | CY`Octal | DawnLight, ok, I'll try to remove all files made by the .sh installer and install alsa packages |
| 17:54.28 | SparFux | lrp: exchange ram and try again. still segfault -> other problem. no segfault -> ram problem. |
| 17:54.28 | CY`Octal | I hope it will work |
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| 17:54.39 | lrp | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/936822 |
| 17:54.48 | CY`Octal | DawnLight, what if packages are already installed ? |
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| 17:55.15 | DawnLight | !tell CY`Octal about alsa-cheklist |
| 17:55.19 | ashk4n | what is the latest kernel-image for etch? |
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| 17:55.35 | craigevil | smacnay: gnotime, gribi, kmymoney2 |
| 17:55.57 | dutchfish | ashk4n, 2.6.18-6-[your flavor] |
| 17:56.04 | lrp | enouf: saw it ? |
| 17:56.04 | DrNach | I recently upgraded from Linux 2.6.21 to 2.6.24, and now I notice whenever I copy large files across my HDs, the user I/O tends to lock up at times. Anyone else experencing this? |
| 17:56.05 | themill | ashk4n: 2.6.18, but also /msg dpkg bpo /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:56.11 | enouf | lrp: and the others? |
| 17:56.14 | CY`Octal | ok |
| 17:56.19 | lrp | enouf: what others ? |
| 17:56.22 | ashk4n | dutch: can you link me to a faq on how to upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.18 the 'debian' way |
| 17:56.30 | enouf | lrp: also pastebin output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 and cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:56.33 | ashk4n | (i.e not via downloading kernel/making menuconfig) |
| 17:56.48 | lrp | enouf: ahh ok |
| 17:56.48 | smacnay | craigevil, thanks |
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| 17:57.06 | DawnLight | CY`Octal: you may need to reinstall alsa. the vendor's installation might have borked things |
| 17:57.07 | dutchfish | DrNach, yes, those kernels 9i personally dont like) and went to vanilla 2.6.24-3 on etch, excellent so far |
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| 17:57.42 | DrNach | ashk4n: basically "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18" although do a "apt-cache search linux | grep image | grep 2.6.18" to see what Kernels may be available for you to pick the best one |
| 17:58.03 | enouf | DrNach: play with your IOSCHEDs |
| 17:58.05 | ashk4n | nach: awesome thanks! |
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| 17:58.19 | CY`Octal | oki and other thing DawnLight |
| 17:58.27 | CY`Octal | i have a wifi card (Realtek) |
| 17:58.36 | treesno | AMA |
| 17:58.51 | CY`Octal | The only way I found to active it is to download and install drivers |
| 17:58.53 | DrNach | enouf: first I ever heard of IOSCHED, how do I play with them? |
| 17:58.55 | lrp | enouf: i saw the trouble |
| 17:58.56 | themill | ashk4n: you're running sarge at present? |
| 17:59.04 | CY`Octal | But I need to start a script on each boot and restart network |
| 17:59.06 | lrp | enouf: the trouble was in the dists |
| 17:59.08 | themill | !tell ashk4n about sarge->etch |
| 17:59.10 | CY`Octal | another solution ? |
| 17:59.14 | ashk4n | 2.6.24 would be considered 'beta' ya? |
| 17:59.21 | dutchfish | enouf, for your info pre-emptive enabled in the kernel did it for me on my low latency desktops |
| 17:59.25 | enouf | DrNach: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/block/switching-sched.txt |
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| 18:00.34 | dutchfish | enouf, of coarse only with smp systems |
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| 18:01.11 | smacnay | craigevil, I can find no app called 'gribi'. |
| 18:01.13 | enouf | dutchfish: ok, cool |
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| 18:01.57 | dutchfish | enouf, 8% better performance with my 2.6.24-3 lldesktop kernel compared to 2.6.18-6-i686 (debians natove) |
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| 18:02.04 | enouf | dutchfish: how about config PREEMPT_BKL |
| 18:02.06 | enouf | ? |
| 18:02.12 | dutchfish | enouf, yep |
| 18:02.31 | dutchfish | enouf, on 1000 ticks |
| 18:02.38 | ashk4n | any problems running 2.4.24 on debian etch? (4.0) |
| 18:02.39 | dutchfish | enouf, cfq |
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| 18:02.53 | craigevil | smacnay: grisbi, also might want to look at eqonomize but its a kde app |
| 18:03.38 | jim | ashk4n: probably not... but why so old? |
| 18:03.45 | ashk4n | err sorry |
| 18:03.46 | ashk4n | 2.6.24 |
| 18:03.53 | Roge | http://adequacy.org/stories/2002.3.17.19110.4001.html lmfao |
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| 18:03.57 | dutchfish | enouf, 2.6.24-3 is very promising and all the old mess is sorted out |
| 18:05.28 | ashk4n | dutch/jim: is it worthing upgrading to 2.6.24 (vs 2.6.18) in your opinion? |
| 18:05.31 | enouf | dutchfish: aye |
| 18:05.37 | jim | ashk4n: as you can gather from that piece of conversation, .24 is somewhat experimental right now ("promising", "mess is probably out") |
| 18:05.42 | smacnay | craigevil, wow, there are a few. I am looking for something to do simple invoicing. Maybe gnucash is what I want. I do need to keep track of home business expenses + all home income/expense as well. |
| 18:05.49 | ashk4n | jim: ah ok |
| 18:05.55 | ashk4n | ill hold off then |
| 18:05.58 | dutchfish | ashk4n, for desktop systems yes, for servers a big no no |
| 18:06.03 | jim | ashk4n: are you doing it to support something that is not supported now? |
| 18:06.17 | ashk4n | nope |
| 18:06.29 | ashk4n | i just needed nfq which isn't supported in 2.6.8 |
| 18:06.34 | jim | so you're happy with all your devices and the kernel support? |
| 18:06.36 | ashk4n | (it uses ipq which seems to 'lock up' |
| 18:06.53 | enouf | jim: actually i think etch dropped support for 2.4.2x kernels :-P |
| 18:07.07 | ashk4n | nfq doesnt work with < 2.6.14 |
| 18:07.08 | enouf | jim: maybe just the installer? hrm, ..no.. |
| 18:07.20 | enouf | !dbse |
| 18:07.20 | dpkg | dbse is, like, well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
| 18:07.42 | jim | ashk4n: so .18 is fine for that? |
| 18:07.50 | ashk4n | jim: im hoping so |
| 18:07.50 | ashk4n | :) |
| 18:07.55 | ashk4n | will try and let you know |
| 18:08.07 | enouf | ashk4n: jim's saying don't upgrade for the sake of it only |
| 18:08.08 | jim | are you not running 2.6.18 now? |
| 18:08.17 | ashk4n | jim: running 2.6.8 now |
| 18:08.21 | themill | ashk4n: follow the sarge->etch instructions properly... |
| 18:08.22 | ashk4n | will upgrade to 2.6.18 |
| 18:08.35 | enouf | ashk4n: more important you stay on top of your Security updates |
| 18:08.37 | jim | oh, try the stable kernel and see if you're happy with it |
| 18:08.46 | ashk4n | enoufh: i've done the normal security updates |
| 18:08.54 | enouf | ok then |
| 18:08.57 | ashk4n | but ya, i will be careful |
| 18:08.59 | ashk4n | thanks guys! |
| 18:09.11 | ashk4n | i will give a try shortly |
| 18:09.21 | riot | is there a program to convert plaintext to postscript/pdf? |
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| 18:09.24 | jim | you run grub or lilo? |
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| 18:09.40 | ashk4n | grub |
| 18:09.44 | enouf | riot: pdf2text? |
| 18:09.46 | ashk4n | (tho i have a LOT more exp w/ lilo) |
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| 18:10.04 | gui____ | hi |
| 18:10.10 | riot | enouf: aah, the other way round :) |
| 18:10.15 | gui____ | what's secure pop can I use under debian please ? |
| 18:10.35 | gui____ | I'm seeking for stability software |
| 18:10.40 | riot | i could paste it into OO.org, but that is rather tedious than just calling some "txt2pdf foobar.txt" |
| 18:10.47 | wols_ | pop? |
| 18:10.55 | riot | and its not very script-friendly |
| 18:11.03 | dutchfish | pop3s |
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| 18:11.08 | jim | cool. update-grub after installing should have you booting it automatically... if not, you could use the grub shell to boot |
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| 18:11.33 | enouf | riot: $ apt-cache search --names-only pdf |
| 18:11.37 | wols_ | Johanna: no need |
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| 18:11.44 | wols_ | jim: ^^ |
| 18:11.48 | enouf | pdftk might be nice |
| 18:12.20 | enouf | riot: then apt-cache show <pkg> of one you're interested in |
| 18:12.23 | jim | wols_: there is evidence that's not always the case, hence I will be mentioning that |
| 18:12.28 | DawnLight | CY`Octal: i don't know those cards |
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| 18:12.42 | enouf | riot: /msg dpkg grounding and /msg dpkg search |
| 18:13.07 | wols_ | jim: if you config it differently |
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| 18:14.12 | jim | so you're saying it's possible... hence, I'll be mentioning that when people ask about installing kernels :) |
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| 18:15.34 | dutchfish | gui____, courier-pop-ssl (optional module for courier) |
| 18:15.42 | CY`Octal | DawnLight, ok |
| 18:15.45 | Nyle | I have 3.5GHz core 2, 4GB ddr2-800MHz ram and mplayer is taking sooooooooooo long to compile |
| 18:15.48 | Nyle | ugh. |
| 18:15.53 | gui____ | ok |
| 18:16.04 | Nyle | piece of crap slow computer |
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| 18:16.27 | jim | it's right up there with "is your eth cable connected to your machine?" "yes" "ok, try dhcp" "oh wait, but the other end isn't connected... what do I do with that?" |
| 18:16.29 | smacnay | Nyle, slow???? Wow, that blows mine away!!! |
| 18:16.33 | Nyle | when are things going to become instantaneous. That would be very convenient |
| 18:16.58 | dutchfish | !tell Nyle about distcc |
| 18:17.02 | jim | Nyle: on some level they already are |
| 18:17.29 | smacnay | Nyle, nothing is instantaneous but bad luck, bad news, and a kick in the gonads. |
| 18:17.41 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 18:17.48 | Nyle | that is very true |
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| 18:19.05 | PETERR- | hi i really need the help of any of u, my monitor dont want to show me 1024x768, cause i dont know wtf xorg is doing, the only thing i know is that ive tried everything and the only way i think im going to succes its adding a modline, but i need ur help, this is how my xorg.conf its right now [ http://pastebin.com/d72add072 ] i need to add the modline and the ver and hsync rates but dont know the syntax, so ill give u the rates and u add them submit the to |
| 18:19.05 | PETERR- | pastebin so i can paste them on xorg.conf, ok here we go :D, my vertsynv is [ 30-54 ] and Horizync [ 50-120 ] and th result of the modline "gtf 1024 768 67" (cause 67 is the frequency that my mon supports for that res, i read it on the manual) is: [ http://pastebin.com/dfd39544 ] HELP PLEASE, ive been at least two weeks without beeiing able to fix this. thx |
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| 18:19.56 | Xitium | I want to know why debian rocks so much |
| 18:20.01 | hoxu | !why debian |
| 18:20.01 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 18:20.02 | Nyle | smacnay, that plus 2x 750gb hdd, x1900xtx ati, ga965ps3, dvdrw, giant heatsink/fan all at under 800USD |
| 18:20.31 | Nyle | newegg ftw |
| 18:20.43 | jim | Xitium: install it and see |
| 18:21.30 | smacnay | Nyle, I feel like Homer Simpson looking at a plate of donuts through a glass window... drool. |
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| 18:21.41 | Xitium | jim, I have it installed. It just so awesome I can't contain myself. I just wanted to know why :D |
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| 18:22.06 | jim | people generally pay attention to details |
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| 18:22.19 | PETERR- | Xitium, whats so awesome about it? :) |
| 18:22.21 | dutchfish | Xitium, the more i know about linux, the more i like debian |
| 18:23.05 | Xitium | PETERR-, I mostly appreciate the scaliblity of it |
| 18:23.12 | jim | Xitium: what were you running before? |
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| 18:24.35 | Xitium | I have tried a bunch of distros but never really ran anything :D |
| 18:25.23 | PETERR- | hi i really need the help of any of u, my monitor dont want to show me 1024x768, cause i dont know wtf xorg is doing, the only thing i know is that ive tried everything and the only way i think im going to succes its adding a modline, but i need ur help, this is how my xorg.conf its right now [ http://pastebin.com/d72add072 ] i need to add the modline and the ver and hsync rates but dont know the syntax, so ill give u the rates and u add them submit the to |
| 18:25.23 | PETERR- | pastebin so i can paste them on xorg.conf, ok here we go :D, my vertsynv is [ 30-54 ] and Horizync [ 50-120 ] and th result of the modline "gtf 1024 768 67" (cause 67 is the frequency that my mon supports for that res, i read it on the manual) is: [ http://pastebin.com/dfd39544 ] HELP PLEASE, ive been at least two weeks without beeiing able to fix this. thx |
| 18:25.26 | Xitium | I never really know what I'm doing and the little things that bug me about a distro make me leave and try something else. Debain is the one that I have stuck with the longest now ... about 9 months |
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| 18:27.07 | dutchfish | PETERR-, http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Getting_modelines |
| 18:27.26 | humbolt | how to cancel a reboot command |
| 18:27.28 | humbolt | ?? |
| 18:27.33 | Nyle | smacnay, what have you got? |
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| 18:28.22 | dutchfish | humbolt, you mean i timed reboot? |
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| 18:29.28 | Nyle | smacnay, check this out hang on |
| 18:29.30 | jim | Xitium if you want to rely on package management, debian is probably the best thing going, plus since its base compiler system (build-essential) aka the toolchain, is always rocksolid, you can also build what you want |
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| 18:30.19 | rdz | is that normal, that tar doesn't pack empty directories into an archive? |
| 18:30.47 | wols_ | PETERR-: remove all modes you don't want |
| 18:30.54 | helo | anyone know how to set pxe boot image that will simply write a .img from an nfs share to the local drive? |
| 18:31.05 | PETERR- | wols_, i did that |
| 18:31.23 | wols_ | PETERR-: not from what I see there |
| 18:31.30 | Nyle | smacnay, http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?00f34d2cf2.jpg |
| 18:31.37 | PETERR- | wols_, i left 1024x768" as the only res in xorg.conf and still showed me 800x600 |
| 18:31.51 | PETERR- | wols_, believe me, ive been two weeks trying everything |
| 18:32.16 | humbolt | dutchfish: I mean when I execute "reboot" |
| 18:32.18 | wols_ | then do it again and check what your log says |
| 18:32.19 | PETERR- | wols_, thats like that cause i just did "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" because i shitted something |
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| 18:32.22 | dutchfish | helo, just make a small bootable etch with debootstrap and let a startup script do this |
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| 18:32.44 | dutchfish | humbolt, nope, i thnk thats not possible |
| 18:32.46 | PETERR- | wols_, dont know how to interpretate the log :( |
| 18:33.10 | wols_ | PETERR-: what debian branch? |
| 18:33.32 | PETERR- | wols_, etch |
| 18:34.04 | jim | they're both interpretaters :) |
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| 18:41.19 | smacnay | Nyle, an AMD 2800+ - 1 Gig ram. |
| 18:41.20 | helo | how do i create specify partition size in blocks? |
| 18:41.27 | smacnay | Nyle nothing else too fancy. |
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| 18:42.06 | smacnay | Nyle, very nice!! |
| 18:42.46 | dutchfish | helo, man mkfs.[your fs] like mkfs.ext3 |
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| 18:43.11 | PETERR- | hi i really need the help of any of u, my monitor dont want to show me 1024x768, cause i dont know wtf xorg is doing, the only thing i know is that ive tried everything and the only way i think im going to succes its adding a modline, but i need ur help, this is how my xorg.conf its right now [ http://pastebin.com/d72add072 ] i need to add the modline and the ver and hsync rates but dont know the syntax, so ill give u the rates and u add them submit the to |
| 18:43.11 | PETERR- | pastebin so i can paste them on xorg.conf, ok here we go :D, my vertsynv is [ 30-54 ] and Horizync [ 50-120 ] and th result of the modline "gtf 1024 768 67" (cause 67 is the frequency that my mon supports for that res, i read it on the manual) is: [ http://pastebin.com/dfd39544 ] HELP PLEASE, ive been at least two weeks without beeiing able to fix this. thx |
| 18:43.12 | smacnay | Is there an app or a website that allows one to share calendar information? Some small server for a lan machine, maybe? |
| 18:43.16 | helo | dutchfish: i'm resizing a partition to match up with a shrunk ext3fs part |
| 18:43.29 | helo | 'shrunk ext3 fs' |
| 18:43.31 | dutchfish | helo, in that case use gparted |
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| 18:43.56 | ujwal_ | gparted is crap |
| 18:44.05 | ujwal_ | useless shit of thing |
| 18:44.07 | helo | i need a graphical partition manager to create a partition? |
| 18:44.21 | ujwal_ | use cfdisk |
| 18:44.23 | dutchfish | ujwal_, or parted |
| 18:44.52 | dutchfish | helo, no, but it can |
| 18:45.21 | ujwal_ | dutchfish: i prefer qtparted to gparted |
| 18:45.37 | dutchfish | ujwal_, ok |
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| 18:45.56 | ujwal_ | dutchfish: ur are a gnome user |
| 18:46.02 | dutchfish | ujwal_, yup |
| 18:46.53 | ujwal_ | dutchfish: gnome is better and stripped small desktop environment |
| 18:46.54 | dutchfish | ujwal_, and yes i know linus thinks gnome users are retarded :) |
| 18:47.15 | mike1o | dutchfish, apt-get install gparted |
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| 18:47.33 | ujwal_ | dutchfish: i even used gnome for morethan a year |
| 18:47.35 | malifal | hello, i've installed obmenu with apt-get but once i try to run it it keeps giving the error ImportError: No module named cairo. note: i did install cairo |
| 18:47.48 | ujwal_ | dutchfish: now i'm changed |
| 18:48.19 | PETERR- | thx a lot for the help ppl, u all rock |
| 18:48.21 | PETERR- | ;) |
| 18:48.22 | dutchfish | ujwal_, nice we dont like the same ;) makes it less dull |
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| 18:49.51 | dutchfish | ujwal_, but for most things i like the console |
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| 18:50.26 | ujwal_ | dutchfish: yeah |
| 18:50.30 | ujwal_ | dutchfish: me too |
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| 18:50.51 | ujwal_ | dutchfish: i missed many things with console |
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| 18:51.22 | dutchfish | ujwal_, in case of resizing partitions i like gparted because it prevents me alot of making mistakes .... and loosing partitions |
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| 18:51.47 | ujwal_ | dutchfish: one day i was trying to rm -fR /media/hda1/some/* |
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| 18:52.05 | ujwal_ | dutchfish: unluckily i did rm -fR /media/hda1/* |
| 18:52.07 | tomasso | im trying to start a gtk application as another use and I get "Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly ? |
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| 18:52.28 | humbolt | is there something like top that can show me how much each cpu is used? |
| 18:52.53 | valdyn | humbolt: top |
| 18:52.57 | dutchfish | humbolt, top, press 1 |
| 18:53.15 | TheRealNecato2 | My DSL provider provides me (hopefully only) tpoday with wrong DNS entries. Now, to get around this (also in the future) I'd like to add some entries to the resolv.conf. The pppoe-option "usepeerdns" however overwrites my resolv.conf. Is there anywhere a option to add additional lines to the resolf.conf? |
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| 18:53.34 | ujwal_ | dutchfish: ok bye |
| 18:53.41 | DarkriftX | can anyone here help me find some ARM repos ? |
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| 18:55.40 | dutchfish | DarkriftX, debian/README.mirrors.html in any of those mirrors |
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| 18:56.01 | action09 | hi all :) |
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| 18:56.59 | dutchfish | DarkriftX, as an example : http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.html |
| 18:57.05 | action09 | anyone has an answer to this please ? if i install "aide", and after an upgrade, maybe (i dunno, maybe not ?) the binaries will be changed and the integrity so on.. |
| 18:57.16 | action09 | thanks :) |
| 18:57.29 | wols_ | action09: which binaries? |
| 18:57.42 | wols_ | TheRealNecato2: look at the resolvconf package |
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| 18:57.56 | eeccho | action09, it should, at least |
| 18:57.56 | wols_ | and /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ scripts |
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| 18:58.14 | action09 | wols_ i dunno it's a question, in amachinelifetime for a server dfor years maybe during an upgrade the binaries (ls, grep..etc) will eb modified |
| 18:58.39 | wols_ | homework? |
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| 18:58.50 | wols_ | !fr |
| 18:58.51 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:58.58 | action09 | eeccho so i have to verify the update process and check the integrity before and after and regenerate the database each time the binaries are going to be modified by an update :( |
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| 18:59.13 | wols_ | !tell action09 about debsums |
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| 18:59.14 | eeccho | action09, which database? |
| 18:59.20 | action09 | aide database ... |
| 18:59.22 | wols_ | !info aide |
| 18:59.22 | hotchips | what should be done to allow a website to be visible from behind a router firewall using dyndns? |
| 18:59.23 | dpkg | aide: (Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment - static binary), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.13.1-9 (sid), Packaged size: 508 kB, Installed size: 1104 kB |
| 18:59.35 | wols_ | hotchips: port forward |
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| 18:59.58 | eeccho | hotchips, on a router |
| 19:00.19 | valdyn | hotchips: the router should support dyndns, but if needed you can work around that |
| 19:00.37 | hotchips | wols_ : eecho: I use US robotics |
| 19:01.12 | TheRealNecato2 | @wols_: Thanks. I'll have a look. Seems promising :-) |
| 19:01.15 | hotchips | it has a section called ddns |
| 19:01.23 | wols_ | hotchips: so? we don't help you configure your router. this is debian not 'USRRouters |
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| 19:01.55 | hotchips | wols_ : sorry its just that I just installed the apache on debian |
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| 19:03.11 | SparFux | Where is the misdn package gone? |
| 19:03.23 | hotchips | I was wondering if the problem was somewhere else in the system or the way I need to configure apache in a special way in debian |
| 19:04.13 | dhe | how can i see what apache2 exactly does, because it uses 100% cpu? |
| 19:04.16 | eeccho | hotchips, the only thing you need is to setup port forwarding (as wols_' said) on your device |
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| 19:04.48 | dutchfish | dhe, top or better apachetop |
| 19:04.56 | eeccho | dhe, browser http://localhost/server-status , where browser is your favorite one |
| 19:05.03 | wols_ | !tell SparFux about sdn |
| 19:05.12 | hotchips | eecho thanks for your help. I will do that. |
| 19:05.32 | dhe | eeccho: mod_status isnt installed |
| 19:05.32 | SparFux | wols: thx. But snapshot doesn't have amd64 I need. |
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| 19:06.08 | eeccho | dhe, then follow dutchfish's advice and use apachetop |
| 19:06.10 | wols_ | !tell dhe about installit |
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| 19:07.16 | humbolt | what is a logical cpu? |
| 19:07.25 | wols_ | context? |
| 19:07.48 | humbolt | make -jN world # Enables parallel builds. Replace N with the number of logical CPUs you have on your system. |
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| 19:08.08 | wols_ | dualcores ahve two logiclal cpus inside one CPU package |
| 19:08.10 | humbolt | I have 2 cores and to vcpus assigned to the xen instance running make |
| 19:08.11 | wols_ | quadcores have 4 |
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| 19:08.44 | DarkriftX | ok dutchfish i found the lists, and im browsing those, but i dont see how/where the packages are listed. I am new to adding to sources.list anddont know exactly how to go about finding them |
| 19:08.46 | tacit | wols_: It's not logical, but two full CPU. Two logical ones is called hyperthreading. |
| 19:08.47 | dutchfish | humbolt, xen can have more vcpu's then there are actual cores |
| 19:08.57 | wols_ | tacit: no |
| 19:09.01 | tacit | wols_: Yes. |
| 19:09.07 | wols_ | no |
| 19:09.11 | eeccho | tacit, it depends on context |
| 19:09.24 | wols_ | a "full" cad its own I/O part. dualcores don't have that |
| 19:09.26 | dutchfish | DarkriftX, just pick one that support your flovar nearby, man sources.list |
| 19:09.32 | wols_ | cause it'S only one socket only one I/O needed |
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| 19:09.47 | wols_ | and some dualcores also share cache |
| 19:10.28 | humbolt | anyhow, how do I get the best build performance out of my server? I am in control of the dom0 and domU! |
| 19:10.36 | eeccho | so generally speaking, every logical cpu can be concerned virtual |
| 19:11.14 | dusty_ | Hey guys I keep getting these in my logs: http://rafb.net/p/dohOig97.html how can i stop them? |
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| 19:11.34 | simonrvn | s,concerned,considered, i think you meant |
| 19:11.48 | eeccho | Simoneloco, a mistype ) |
| 19:11.50 | dutchfish | humbolt, by letting one core for dom0 and the rest devided into dom-U's |
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| 19:11.57 | simonrvn | np :) |
| 19:12.10 | dutchfish | humbolt, on a 2 core system this is xen's default |
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| 19:16.19 | Petur_ | Hiiiiiii!!! |
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| 19:17.57 | TheRealNecator | @wols_: Thanks, resolvconf-package does the trick :-) |
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| 19:18.38 | simonrvn | please don't prefix your messages with @. a) my bot uses that b) this isn't a web forum |
| 19:19.00 | Petur_ | Can i enable second monitor without restarting X ? |
| 19:19.09 | Cratos | Hello everybody |
| 19:19.36 | dhe | how can i detect which php script does a high load on a apache mod_php system? |
| 19:19.49 | Cratos | why does "apt-config -o APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists=1 shell" not save the setting? |
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| 19:22.47 | humbolt | if I have more than one core which options should I have for make to get the best performance? |
| 19:22.53 | chops | Cratos: Because it's not supposed to? |
| 19:23.07 | chops | Cratos: I believe the file to edit is /etc/apt/preferences if you want to permanently alter that setting |
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| 19:23.40 | Cratos | ahh, so the -o flag is just to filter... |
| 19:24.19 | chops | Cratos: The -o option is to temporarily set an option (for the duration of that apt-config command), I believe |
| 19:24.40 | simonrvn | yes, only that one time |
| 19:24.42 | Cratos | Ok, I'm checking... |
| 19:25.00 | simonrvn | manual pages exist for a reason |
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| 19:25.16 | tralala | simonrvn, to be ignored? ;) |
| 19:25.18 | Cratos | Nope, is not clear at all! |
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| 19:25.45 | simonrvn | tralala: apparently ;) |
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| 19:26.00 | wols_ | humbolt: -j3 |
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| 19:27.19 | chops | Cratos, simonrvn: It does look somewhat unclear in the man page, actually. In the context of a tool which accesses the apt preferences, "This will set an arbitrary configuration option" without "for the duration of this single apt-config invocation" is a bit ambiguous IMHO |
| 19:27.45 | simonrvn | so file a bug on it |
| 19:27.59 | xet7 | Where is Firefox 3 beta 3 debian package? |
| 19:28.04 | chops | simonrvn: Filing |
| 19:28.09 | wols_ | xet7: ddoes not exist |
| 19:28.22 | Cratos | Well It seems to ignore the /etc/apt/preferences file unless I do not understand the format |
| 19:28.42 | simonrvn | chops: :D |
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| 19:29.03 | chops | Cratos: Er... what are you trying to do, exactly? |
| 19:29.36 | karma_ | Hello! Is ToS value is packet or connection property? I mean, is it possible to have different ToS bits in packets corresponding to one connection |
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| 19:29.51 | Cratos | I see in the cron.daily script that is it using apt-config for stored settings |
| 19:30.16 | Cratos | So.. I want auto-clean every 7 days and auto-update every night, 100% the Debian way |
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| 19:30.43 | chops | Cratos: That's not a good idea |
| 19:30.49 | Cratos | why? |
| 19:31.35 | chops | Cratos: You may lose badly if something wants console input (especially for a question that turns out to be important), or if cron gets updates and stops running while it's being updated, or just if you get a haywire update that apt decides means that 50% of your system should be removed (if you're using testing/unstable)... |
| 19:31.38 | Cratos | Clear the cache of downloaded packages has what risk?? and if I use Nagios2 I must auto update the list to get warnings |
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| 19:31.45 | simonrvn | auto-update? not a good idea. you can run a download only update, but to execute it isn't wise |
| 19:31.56 | chops | Also, apt has 934 open bugs :-( |
| 19:32.08 | Cratos | update not upgrade! |
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| 19:32.23 | Cratos | Huge differance! |
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| 19:32.29 | chops | Cratos: Oh, that's fine. Just use apt-get update without bothering with apt-config then. |
| 19:33.18 | craigevil | Cratos: take a look at cron-apt |
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| 19:34.00 | Cratos | But... I am looking into /etc/cron/daily/apt |
| 19:34.17 | simonrvn | oh, then do that ^^^ . i use either cron-apt or set up a cron job manually |
| 19:34.20 | Cratos | The code is there, I just have to configure apt-config the right way |
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| 19:34.47 | Cratos | and sorry it was /etc/cron.daily/apt |
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| 19:36.54 | Cratos | hmm strange... why is that code twice in Debian?? it's clear that cron-apt does the same with other files... |
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| 19:37.29 | dutchfish | Cratos, APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists=7 (if you want it ones a week in /etc/cron.daily/apt |
| 19:38.00 | Cratos | Yes, I was going for that, but how do I save that option? |
| 19:38.28 | dutchfish | Cratos, huh? you can edit that and save it in your favorite editor? |
| 19:38.58 | Cratos | no, I should do it in a way that apt-config dump is giving that answer |
| 19:39.13 | DarkriftX | ok, im super new at this, so please be easy on me. From what ppl here have tolde me, and from what ive read, i THINK that adding "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main" to my sources.list file will work with my ARM cpu, am i correct? |
| 19:39.33 | dutchfish | Cratos, after ou edit that reload cron /etc/init.d/cron reload |
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| 19:40.21 | Cratos | I did not edit a single file ( yet ) there should be a place there apt-config is getting it's settings from.... |
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| 19:41.36 | dutchfish | Cratos, /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:43.00 | simonrvn | DarkriftX: yes |
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| 19:43.21 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 19:43.24 | simonrvn | DarkriftX: debian supports more than 10 arches |
| 19:43.33 | DarkriftX | i thoguth for some reason it needed /arm/ in there somewhere |
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| 19:43.42 | DarkriftX | or /armv5te/ etc |
| 19:43.50 | dutchfish | Cratos, if i am correct it doesnt excist by default see man apt-config |
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| 19:43.56 | DarkriftX | so it will automatically know my cpu, and get packages accordingly |
| 19:44.17 | Cratos | yes I am already checking the example |
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| 19:44.39 | simonrvn | DarkriftX: yes, it's set up on installation |
| 19:44.49 | dutchfish | Cratos, but my first hint worked for me |
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| 19:44.58 | dutchfish | Cratos, i dont use apt-config |
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| 19:45.13 | Cratos | ok, but the scripts does |
| 19:46.05 | dutchfish | Cratos, gl |
| 19:46.16 | Cratos | thanks! |
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| 19:49.33 | Cratos | Ok, it works now |
| 19:49.46 | dutchfish | Cratos, :) |
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| 19:50.26 | Cratos | Now I no longer need apt-cron :-D |
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| 19:53.30 | Cratos | Does anybody want to know how, it's 8 lines... |
| 19:54.04 | dutchfish | Cratos, dont post it in here use postbin |
| 19:54.26 | dutchfish | Cratos, oops i ment pastebin |
| 19:54.43 | Cratos | it's a website right? |
| 19:54.52 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 19:54.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 19:57.32 | dutchfish | is there a guideline to optimize a ldap database > 60 GB ? (performance wise) |
| 19:57.57 | Cratos | http://rafb.net/p/l1vyw288.html |
| 19:58.22 | dutchfish | Cratos, looks ok, thank you |
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| 20:00.57 | Cratos | Well thanks for the hints! bye |
| 20:01.05 | simonrvn | dutchfish: a good DB_CONFIG, lots of indexes |
| 20:01.23 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 20:01.37 | dutchfish | simonrvn, yes but apart from that? |
| 20:01.41 | Seb | i have a .wav file, and would like to use sox to convert it to something I can cat straight into /dev/dsp |
| 20:01.57 | Seb | what target format am I looking for in this case ? |
| 20:02.11 | simonrvn | dutchfish: ask in #ldap .. i don't do "big iron" but many of them in #ldap do |
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| 20:02.29 | dutchfish | simonrvn, good hint i will do, thank you very much |
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| 20:02.49 | stanis_sh | hi all |
| 20:03.13 | stanis_sh | I've got a problem when trying to upgrade to lenny |
| 20:03.31 | stanis_sh | locales seems to be broken |
| 20:03.38 | stanis_sh | <stanis_sh> nav% locale-gen |
| 20:03.38 | stanis_sh | <stanis_sh> Generating locales (this might take a while)... |
| 20:03.38 | stanis_sh | <stanis_sh> en_US.UTF-8.../usr/sbin/locale-gen: 62: localedef: not found |
| 20:04.00 | stanis_sh | what can I do? |
| 20:04.15 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, apt-get install --reinstall locales && dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:04.46 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, its a bug curently in lenny |
| 20:04.50 | Seb | no one knows ? |
| 20:05.14 | dutchfish | Seb, convert to what? |
| 20:05.21 | simonrvn | Seb: i thought you could cat wav to /dev/dsp anyway |
| 20:05.47 | stanis_sh | <dutchfish> it shows me a lot of done |
| 20:05.48 | stanis_sh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.48 | stanis_sh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.48 | stanis_sh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.48 | stanis_sh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:06.10 | stanis_sh | sorry for the flood :( |
| 20:06.15 | simonrvn | !tell stanis_sh -about paste |
| 20:06.33 | stanis_sh | pastebin.org :) |
| 20:06.35 | Seb | dutchfish: that's my question, homie; what format can be cat'ed directly to /dev/dsp ? |
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| 20:06.45 | stanis_sh | In the next time I will use it |
| 20:06.48 | simonrvn | .au |
| 20:06.50 | dutchfish | Seb, wav |
| 20:07.02 | Seb | simonrvn: it doesn't seem to, no. I just get somewhat of a white noise |
| 20:07.27 | squidly | is there a virtual package that will install gcc fully? I did an apt-get install gcc and it did not give me the gcc package |
| 20:07.28 | Seb | dutchfish: would you mind reading my initial question, at least ? |
| 20:07.28 | mrAz | i have i have problem on intel sound card with snd_hda_intel. everything works, i can record in the laptop, but hear nothing. any idea ? |
| 20:07.28 | Seb | simonrvn: ah |
| 20:07.28 | Seb | simonrvn: let me try that |
| 20:07.30 | simonrvn | er, no... i can't remember but something like sun something |
| 20:07.31 | wols_ | !tell squidly about build-essential |
| 20:07.38 | simonrvn | !au |
| 20:07.38 | dpkg | well, au is gold. Australia, or a small island with mini-lines when it comes to internet |
| 20:08.03 | Seb | heh |
| 20:08.11 | Seb | simonrvn: nope, that doesn't seem to cut it either |
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| 20:08.20 | squidly | wols_: we do need a working gcc for the system |
| 20:08.32 | Seb | simonrvn: sox doesn't want to write .au files, and whaever audacity just produced, doesn't sound like my beep.wav at all either :) |
| 20:08.34 | simonrvn | i'm trying to remmeber, and that does work |
| 20:08.59 | simonrvn | ...if i remember it ;) |
| 20:09.02 | stanis_sh | <dutchfish> so, it shows the same output |
| 20:09.07 | stanis_sh | what can I do? |
| 20:09.15 | Seb | simonrvn: heh |
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| 20:09.19 | simonrvn | hold on, i'll go find something |
| 20:09.56 | Seb | sure |
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| 20:10.40 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, what libc6 is installed ? dpkg -l | grep libc6 |
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| 20:11.09 | g00se | Any way, when doing build-dep to have the libraries placed where they can be easily deleted afterwards? (I'm assuming they get installed as packages and stay until removed explicitly otherwise) |
| 20:11.40 | Seb | g00se: apt-get autoremove, or deborphan |
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| 20:11.57 | Seb | g00se: since if you just installed them to satisfy a build-dep, then they shouldn't be needed by anything else |
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| 20:16.29 | g00se | Seb: That's a thought. |
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| 20:18.11 | g00se | Seb: It's just that it's a pity they have to come in that way in the first place - particularly since they're mainly for parts of the app i'm intending to config out anyway ;-) |
| 20:19.05 | simonrvn | Seb: i was right; see here: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/ |
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| 20:19.38 | ShiftOnYou | hi all |
| 20:19.52 | ShiftOnYou | hi all |
| 20:20.34 | Seb | simonrvn: i figured it out |
| 20:20.46 | Seb | simonrvn: it wasn't so much about format, but about rate (in hz) |
| 20:20.59 | simonrvn | i was right about the .au; mm i see |
| 20:21.03 | Seb | simonrvn: only 8MHz .au files work. 44MHz ones don't |
| 20:21.04 | ShiftOnYou | is it possible to install a debian from "Debian Diskless"? if yes, is there any tutorial / howto / help`? |
| 20:21.19 | cizzi | will removing X from my p3-500mhz laptop running etch speed it up? i find it slow in the x gui and i dont really use it |
| 20:21.45 | simonrvn | Seb: ah yes, i have a brainache (memory getting unlocked) telling me that. thank you :) |
| 20:21.56 | Seb | heh |
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| 20:22.31 | simonrvn | cizzi: if you don't use it, go ahead. why you asking us? :) |
| 20:22.46 | stanis_sh | dutchfish http://pastebin.org/23122 |
| 20:23.01 | cizzi | simonrvn - because my next question would be which apt-get remove <package> do I need to remove |
| 20:23.03 | cizzi | gdm? |
| 20:23.39 | simonrvn | gdm only serves to have x already running, and handle other stuff (mostly backend) |
| 20:23.58 | simonrvn | but removing/puring it will free up HDD space and memory |
| 20:24.02 | simonrvn | purging* |
| 20:24.12 | cizzi | is that the only component I need to remove? |
| 20:24.19 | Mr-R | cizzi: try "xserver-xorg" |
| 20:24.29 | cizzi | mr-R - thanks.. :) |
| 20:24.32 | simonrvn | if you wanna remove x entirely, you gotta remove it too |
| 20:24.53 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, right, the problem here is that localedef is no longer in libc6 2.7.6, try to work around with dpkg-reconfigure locales (choose your locales again) and your default locale, this might work |
| 20:24.56 | simonrvn | that ^^ for starters; there's libs and other packages as well |
| 20:25.02 | Coweater | x11-common should get most stuff |
| 20:25.16 | cizzi | basically when I boot the laptop i want it to fall to the login: text prompt |
| 20:25.16 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 20:25.20 | simonrvn | !remove x |
| 20:25.20 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 20:25.30 | HardDisk_WP | whats the best software to import videos from an DV cam via firewire?? |
| 20:25.39 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, as i said it is a bug curently in lenny |
| 20:26.06 | ShiftOnYou | kennt hier wer Debian Diskless? wenn ja ... kann man von diesem nen installer starten und dann debian etch einfach installieren? |
| 20:26.10 | ShiftOnYou | oops |
| 20:26.13 | ShiftOnYou | wrong channel :D |
| 20:26.17 | ShiftOnYou | is it possible to install a debian from "Debian Diskless"? if yes, is there any tutorial / howto / help`? |
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| 20:26.22 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, what cpu you have? |
| 20:26.39 | simonrvn | ShiftOnYou: netboot? sure. install guide says how |
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| 20:27.07 | stanis_sh | amd64 :( |
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| 20:27.14 | ShiftOnYou | simonrvn: which install guide? |
| 20:27.24 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, otherwise try to install libc6-i686 |
| 20:27.27 | ShiftOnYou | i dont mean netinst.iso |
| 20:27.31 | wols_ | !ig |
| 20:27.31 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 20:27.32 | ShiftOnYou | just a Debian Diskless |
| 20:27.38 | tonyb486 | The tony in Shif_tOnY_ou hilighted me ... heh |
| 20:27.43 | ShiftOnYou | ty |
| 20:27.48 | simonrvn | that one ^^^ |
| 20:28.15 | stanis_sh | <dutchfish> couldn't find the package |
| 20:28.41 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, otherwise try to install libc6-amd64 |
| 20:28.52 | simonrvn | ...and i didn't mean the netinst iso either |
| 20:29.47 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, after that run dpkg-reconfigure locales again |
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| 20:30.40 | g00se | Seb: Actually i don't see any 'autoremove' option. Not in apt-get, nor dpkg ... |
| 20:30.54 | Seb | g00se: might be an aptitude thing |
| 20:30.59 | Seb | g00se: but try deborphan |
| 20:31.00 | enouf | tonyb486: heh, you client sucks, mine only will highlight if there's a blankspace prior and a : after (or nothing, but tab completed) |
| 20:31.23 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.26 | enouf | iirc |
| 20:31.34 | humbolt | when I compile something with "make -j8 -k world" my cpus stay mostly idle. |
| 20:31.36 | tonyb486 | enouf: Well I have it set to hilight everything like that. Its fun and brings me slight randomness. (irssi) |
| 20:31.55 | humbolt | what might be a better way to make full use of my cpu power? |
| 20:32.27 | dutchfish | humbolt, could be that cpu is waiting alot for the disks |
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| 20:32.40 | enouf | g00se: by default all self compiled stuff should be in /usr/local/* that's why your PATH has /usr/local/bin as first |
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| 20:33.00 | Mr-R | humbolt: did you try the "stress" tool? |
| 20:33.00 | enouf | tonyb486: gotcha - happy randoming ;-) |
| 20:33.08 | dutchfish | humbolt, read about ccache |
| 20:33.10 | humbolt | Mr-R: no |
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| 20:33.53 | enouf | so, who here has been to Stony Point NY? |
| 20:33.55 | g00se | enouf: That's something. But of course an rm -Rf wouldn't be good for apt ;-) |
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| 20:34.03 | Mr-R | humbolt: if you try to stress test your system, you could asign cpu-heavy-jobs by the stress command... |
| 20:34.06 | enouf | for some skiing |
| 20:34.15 | tonyb486 | lol |
| 20:34.19 | enouf | g00se: no, not at all |
| 20:34.24 | enouf | tonyb486: gotcha :-P |
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| 20:34.58 | enouf | cpuburn |
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| 20:35.59 | enouf | it's a large metro area ;-) |
| 20:36.11 | enouf | and guess what? stoned is part of our circle |
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| 20:36.27 | enouf | that Nyle junk freak :-P |
| 20:36.52 | tictac | hey guys. my / fs recently had to be resierfsck'd with --rebuild-tree. it jacked up various libraries |
| 20:36.54 | ShiftOnYou_ | is it also possible to install a debian from a diskless debian over the internet (remote)? |
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| 20:37.18 | tictac | for some reason i can not <ctrl><alt><fX> to bring up a virtual console. |
| 20:37.23 | chops | !reiser |
| 20:37.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. ... |
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| 20:37.47 | chops | tictac: Reinstall from backup, ideally to a filesystem that isn't reiser |
| 20:37.51 | tictac | does anyone have any idea which package i can reinstall which might bring my system to a more usable state |
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| 20:37.52 | enouf | tictac: you raeally needed to use --rebuild-tree? .. you DID read the man pages and the warnings? |
| 20:37.54 | tomasso | how do i allow a user to be able to use the current X server ? |
| 20:38.01 | tictac | chops: dont worry. my times with reiser is over. |
| 20:38.16 | chops | tictac: See debsums if you want to test what packages may be corrupted |
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| 20:38.24 | tictac | ahh. alright. |
| 20:38.35 | tomasso | i try to load an application as a user, and I get: connection ":0.0" refused by server |
| 20:38.35 | enouf | reiserfs is fine in the hands of competent admins - as with most everything |
| 20:38.56 | simonrvn | ShiftOnYou_: we answered that already. go read now. |
| 20:39.02 | enouf | tictac: sounds like a vesafb issue if not a fbcon one |
| 20:39.05 | tictac | i will be returning to xfs once i return to the states. its hard to rebuild the system from iraq with limited or no internet. :| |
| 20:39.14 | ShiftOnYou_ | i lost th econnection simonrvn |
| 20:39.15 | chops | enouf: What do you think the admins are doing wrong that's leading reiser to corrupt their filesystems? |
| 20:39.25 | enouf | chops: you just heard |
| 20:39.37 | chops | enouf: ? |
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| 20:39.50 | simonrvn | ShiftOnYou_: oh, so do /msg dpkg ig to get the url |
| 20:39.58 | enouf | chops: and i do not consider that a competent admin at first blush |
| 20:40.00 | ShiftOnYou_ | thx |
| 20:40.00 | chops | enouf: --rebuild-tree? |
| 20:40.04 | enouf | chops: yep |
| 20:40.10 | simonrvn | ShiftOnYou_: np |
| 20:40.20 | amphi | I had to do a --rebuild-tree once; it worked, but never again ;) |
| 20:40.24 | chops | enouf: I don't know anything about reiser or --rebuild-tree... tictac, why did you run rebuild-tree? |
| 20:40.31 | enouf | haha amphi ;-) |
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| 20:40.46 | tictac | chops: well it was either that or rebuild the system anyway due to corrupt fs. |
| 20:40.57 | amphi | enouf: you read that thing about reiserfsck being a 'horror reanimator'? ;) |
| 20:41.13 | enouf | i've run many a resierfsck, though i can't say others don't suffer |
| 20:41.14 | chops | enouf: Right, so what did he do wrong that led his filesystem to be corrupted _before_ he ran rebuild-tree? |
| 20:41.15 | drwahl | i'm thinking of looking into setting up a web based ssh client on my personal server. is there any known issues that i should be aware of? my immediate concern with using a web based ssh client on someone elses server is that they could easily log my user/pass, but i hope to avoid that by setting up my own |
| 20:41.17 | tictac | i have everything backed up, however i dont have access to those files yet. |
| 20:41.23 | chops | tictac: nod |
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| 20:41.32 | enouf | amphi: not recently - but i'll watch a vid ;-) |
| 20:41.36 | tictac | chops: i accidentally pulled the battery w/o ac power. |
| 20:41.51 | amphi | enouf: herbert west... |
| 20:42.05 | enouf | chops: no idea - actually i run mine regularly - before the corruption occurs |
| 20:42.19 | chops | enouf: Ah, so he lost power and reiser went corrupt. It shouldn't do that (and I've never had ext3 do it to me). |
| 20:42.27 | enouf | tictac: i'm not slighting you at all , really |
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| 20:42.43 | enouf | chops: i've lost power with reiserfs mounted, no prob |
| 20:42.49 | tictac | :| |
| 20:43.17 | enouf | reboot, run reiserfsck, done, got the fstab entries too |
| 20:43.22 | ivan__ | hi, i'm using debian unstable, but when i try to install scalapack from the apt repository it say that have dependencies problems |
| 20:43.33 | ivan__ | scalapack-mpich-dev: Depends: blacs-mpich-dev but it is not installable |
| 20:43.41 | chops | enouf: Well, you are saying that he's not a "competent admin"... |
| 20:44.02 | enouf | chops: well he never answered me |
| 20:44.03 | tictac | enouf: reiserfsck couldnt fix 7 errors which could only be fixed with --rebuild-tree. |
| 20:44.15 | enouf | chops: and i already said, i'm not slighting him |
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| 20:45.22 | enouf | chops: so, tell me what's wroing with using reiserfs again? |
| 20:45.34 | dutchfish | hey, lets not blame poeple but the fs system here, reiserfs can be tricky, at least more then ext3 (this are my own findings, no mahter if i am competent or not) |
| 20:46.11 | enouf | dutchfish: bingo |
| 20:46.34 | valdyn | enouf: nothing really wrong with it, but theres probably no reason to use it |
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| 20:46.55 | enouf | valdyn: i find it much faster, but i've not tested that in many scenarios |
| 20:47.05 | valdyn | enouf: right, faster than ext3 |
| 20:47.10 | enouf | indeed |
| 20:47.12 | valdyn | enouf: but thats it |
| 20:47.20 | enouf | perhaps |
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| 20:47.38 | Mr-R | <insert favourite journaling fs> not coming up is always desaster happening. so dump the disk and use your recovery plan... |
| 20:47.57 | enouf | just like i am not distro-gnostic, i try not to be FS-gnostic .. did i say that right? lol |
| 20:48.04 | valdyn | enouf: ext3 has a few optional features that can make it faster for operations where reiserfs is fast |
| 20:48.12 | simonrvn | agnostic |
| 20:48.44 | enouf | simonrvn: wouldn't that require me to exclude "not"? |
| 20:48.57 | simonrvn | !dict agnostic |
| 20:48.59 | dpkg | Dictionary 'agnostic' (3): a person who doubts truth of religion [syn: {doubter}] ;; Agnostic \Ag*nos"tic\, a. [Gr. 'a priv. + ? knowing, ? to know.] Professing ignorance; involving no dogmatic; pertaining to or involving agnosticism. -- Ag*nos"tic*al*ly, adv. ;; uncertain of all claims to knowledge. |
| 20:49.00 | valdyn | the btrfs mailing list just had someone post an excellent review of fs what his workload is concerned.. |
| 20:49.04 | dutchfish | if you feel like expirimenting, why not ry using ext4 as i do (not on production systems however) it has nice promises for the future |
| 20:49.17 | simonrvn | someone please remove the joeytwiddle bot |
| 20:49.18 | enouf | ugh, gnostic and agnostic suck |
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| 20:49.50 | enouf | valdyn: i agree |
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| 20:50.32 | ivan__ | hi, i'm using debian unstable, but when i try to install scalapack from the apt repository it say that have dependencies problems |
| 20:50.34 | amphi | enouf: I found reiser3 to be extremely fast, faster than other fs-s I've used; but it's too scary ;) |
| 20:50.35 | ivan__ | scalapack-mpich-dev: Depends: blacs-mpich-dev but it is not installable |
| 20:50.48 | sander_m | Hi all. I quick question. I have an AMD64 CPU but I want to run a 32-bit Debian (my girlfriend plays Neopets so I need Flash :-/). What kernel should I choose for best performance? 686? K7? |
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| 20:50.57 | enouf | valdyn: again, i never tried though - so.. though i've read about it, doesn't qualify me to say, yeah - but the point i was making, there's nothing inherently wrong with a FS |
| 20:51.15 | simonrvn | cd ~ is kinda useless |
| 20:51.16 | valdyn | amphi: why? reiserfs is just fine, its just not really good either, but its defenitely not buggy or anything |
| 20:51.32 | enouf | amphi: i like being scared, don't you? ;-) |
| 20:51.33 | amphi | valdyn: I'm not convinced |
| 20:51.36 | Mr-R | sander_m: i686. your cpu is k8 afaik. :) |
| 20:51.38 | simonrvn | at least for most shells |
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| 20:51.53 | valdyn | amphi: im not trying to convince you |
| 20:52.02 | enouf | valdyn: correct, and just to clarify we are discussing 3.6 |
| 20:52.17 | sander_m | Mr-R: Yes, it's K8, but there are no K8 32-bit kernels :-) |
| 20:52.24 | jelly-ho | valdyn: ime reiserfs v3 has serious deficiencies |
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| 20:52.32 | simonrvn | no, use i686 |
| 20:52.39 | valdyn | enouf: yea, thats exactly the fs where i keep wondering why they think that reiserfs would be particularily risky |
| 20:52.43 | Mr-R | sander_m: and there are some work arounds for flash in x86_64 |
| 20:52.47 | valdyn | jelly-ho: sure it has |
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| 20:53.39 | sander_m | Mr-R: I know. But since this system isn't primarily my system I feel it's a bit sully to install a 64-bit OS and use a 32-bit application 95% of the time. |
| 20:53.50 | sander_m | s/sully/silly/g |
| 20:54.00 | Miesco | Okay I am having trouble with nvidia in lenny, here is my error: http://pastebin.com/m3ca2977d |
| 20:54.16 | Mr-R | sander_m: but the 5% run 10% faster. ;) *scnr* |
| 20:54.26 | sander_m | Hahaha :-) |
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| 20:54.36 | drcode | hi all |
| 20:54.41 | enouf | valdyn: IIRC, there's two entirely separate pkgs of utils/tools .. prior to using reiserfs, i investigated and made an informed decisioon, even though i can't recall the pkgname, i can dgpk -l it now though ;-) |
| 20:54.59 | valdyn | enouf: yep |
| 20:55.12 | drcode | any one know or have idea, I want to use freenx , but I want to show the user simple menu |
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| 20:55.33 | enouf | ii reiserfsprogs is what i have |
| 20:55.44 | enouf | un reiser4progs <none> |
| 20:55.49 | enouf | is the other |
| 20:55.52 | valdyn | enouf: the other one seems to be gone |
| 20:55.59 | enouf | oh wait |
| 20:56.01 | jelly-ho | valdyn: we've gone ext2 -> reiserfs -> ext3 on a couple systems with 10^6 - 10^7 files. It had permanent perfomance degradation when filled up to 93%, its fsck times were abysmal, and that was enough to get rid of it. |
| 20:56.03 | valdyn | enouf: uh, there was another package for reiserfs 3.6 |
| 20:56.03 | enouf | yeah, hehe |
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| 20:56.10 | enouf | wtf? |
| 20:56.17 | enouf | yes there was |
| 20:56.30 | tictac | hmm for some reason i still cant switch to virtual terminals. |
| 20:56.36 | valdyn | jelly-ho: yea, but uh |
| 20:57.08 | valdyn | jelly-ho: its a known bug. But about all fs will seriously degrade if you fill them above some threshold |
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| 20:57.20 | enouf | 93%? omg |
| 20:57.26 | tictac | any ideas? |
| 20:57.27 | jelly-ho | valdyn: most will recover when you clean them up. not this one |
| 20:57.40 | enouf | jelly-ho: clean them how? |
| 20:57.49 | dondelelcaro | it's not like 93% is terribly full |
| 20:57.52 | enouf | jelly-ho: you know how i havbe to clean ext3? |
| 20:57.55 | jelly-ho | enouf: delete files to get to, say, 60-70% |
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| 20:58.01 | Agiofws | http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gnuunix1rx9.jpg |
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| 20:58.03 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: thats not an absolute value |
| 20:58.12 | enouf | jelly-ho: i have to cp data off and re cp it back |
| 20:58.15 | dondelelcaro | (and you should normally have enough reserve blocks to work around it anyway) |
| 20:58.46 | dutchfish | i use lvm2 and ext3 well tuned on fs larger then 10TB without a glitch for months, no way i gone go back to reiserfs |
| 20:58.51 | enouf | 93% can be a lot diff wuith ext3 depending upon Reserved Blocks, iinm |
| 20:59.03 | valdyn | far as i know that reiserf 3.6 bug is fixed either way, a year ago or so |
| 20:59.08 | sier | I don't understand this pic Agiofws |
| 20:59.18 | jelly-ho | dondelelcaro: it's not terribly full on other fs. On reiserfs, it meant 30% random read (well, news spool) slowdown |
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| 20:59.35 | Agiofws | sier, me too i just felt like making it |
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| 21:00.15 | chops | enouf: (Back to keyboard) reiser is rumored to corrupt itself easily; based on the fact that you've got someone in here asking "reiser ate my files because I lost power", I'd say it's a well-founded rumor. YMMV. Blaming the admin and saying it's justified because "it's always worked for me" is not reasonable IMHO, though. |
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| 21:00.29 | enouf | dutchfish: granted perhaps, but not many of us can talk about 10TB storage, though i'd think the ext3 performance might really bog down at that pont |
| 21:00.34 | dondelelcaro | jelly-ho: yeah, I've never really benchmarked reiser seriously; the fact that nearly 90% of the failed filesystems we get here are reiser was enough for me |
| 21:00.41 | valdyn | but power outages break ext3 too |
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| 21:00.50 | jelly-ho | valdyn: waiting 2 years to fix a fs problem doesn't really inspire anyone to use that fs :-) |
| 21:00.53 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: no they don't, and that's the point. |
| 21:00.54 | valdyn | even with the most conservative settings |
| 21:01.07 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: they just cause data to be lost. |
| 21:01.23 | dondelelcaro | (anything that was written between commit intervals) |
| 21:01.23 | dutchfish | enouf, not really, of coarse this is on decent hardware with raid, but even on smaller systems i cant complain about ext3, it simply never has let me down, wich i cant say for reiserfs |
| 21:01.23 | enouf | chops: 1st, i somehow i missed the "we lost power" statement .. maybe i came late |
| 21:01.32 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: broke my fs ( though fsck could fix it ) |
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| 21:01.48 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: the journal will need to be replayed |
| 21:01.54 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: but that's nothing exciting. |
| 21:02.02 | enouf | chops: well, that wasn't my intention, though it is atleast half true |
| 21:02.25 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: nah, it was severe things |
| 21:02.33 | dondelelcaro | I mean, there may be bugs in ext3 (there probably are!) but it's designed to checkpoint state |
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| 21:02.47 | enouf | dutchfish: are you talking about 3.6? or other versions? |
| 21:03.06 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: how severe? a single fsck run, which should be running on the fs anyway fixed it? |
| 21:03.14 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: no |
| 21:03.20 | jelly-ho | enouf: are there people still using 3.5 to be found? |
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| 21:03.34 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: what was the precise issue with the filesystem? |
| 21:03.50 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: files sharing parts |
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| 21:04.11 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: maybe its in an old logfile.. checking |
| 21:04.11 | dondelelcaro | heh. that's got to be a bug |
| 21:04.12 | enouf | jelly-ho: i'm waiting for an answer ;-) |
| 21:04.56 | dutchfish | enouf, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 21:05.13 | jelly-ho | enouf: I meant, even at the time reiserfs was used here, we upgraded all the fs to the newer one. That was maybe 2003 |
| 21:05.16 | dutchfish | enouf, uh, yes |
| 21:05.53 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: it has to be as this was with journal data mode |
| 21:06.00 | abrotman | !dict hi |
| 21:06.01 | dpkg | Dictionary 'hi' (3): a state in the United States in the central Pacific on the Hawaiian Islands ;; an expression of greeting; "every morning they exchanged polite hellos" ;; Hydriodic \Hy`dri*od"ic\, a. [Hydr- + iodic: cf. F. hydriodique.] (Chem.) Pertaining to, or derived from, hydrogen and iodine; -- said of an acid produced by the combination of these elements.. |
| 21:06.27 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: or actually, why would the journal know about random spots overwritten? |
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| 21:06.33 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: it cant. |
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| 21:06.51 | BadRobot | hi |
| 21:06.58 | enouf | dutchfish: and jelly-ho you DO realize the mount options can play a key role too , yes? |
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| 21:07.17 | dutchfish | enouf, yes |
| 21:07.19 | BadRobot | how do i add extra repo's to debian lenny? |
| 21:07.41 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: the journal only has to do with the filesystem, not the data contained within the filesystem |
| 21:07.45 | BadRobot | like no-free |
| 21:07.48 | tictac | BadRobot: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:07.56 | dutchfish | enouf, if you configure it right (journaling) then its not that much faster then ext3 |
| 21:08.00 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: kern.log.6.gz:Dec 30 09:49:35 localhost kernel: ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 310129 |
| 21:08.12 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: that's perfectly normal, actually. |
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| 21:08.23 | enouf | dutchfish: well, that's just as influential as making bad mount options with ext3 IMO, or using tune2fs to tweak it without considering the possible ramifications |
| 21:08.29 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: that means that something had an FD open to that inode, but it had been unlinked from everywhere |
| 21:08.33 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: its one symptom |
| 21:08.33 | enouf | dutchfish: to me it is |
| 21:08.35 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: that's the filesystem operating as designed. |
| 21:08.40 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
| 21:08.49 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: but its not normal when undeletable files and corrupt content come with it |
| 21:08.50 | Farhadix | hi guys, how i can know what date a dvd wrote? |
| 21:08.59 | enouf | dutchfish: notail and data=journal are the two main ones |
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| 21:09.17 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: the first is a problem with the filesystem, but that's not the error message you gave |
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| 21:09.39 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: the error message you gave happens anytime you shutdown a filesystem instantly without processes stoping. |
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| 21:09.51 | jelly-ho | valdyn: that IS normal. Now, _this_ is fun: Mar 10 12:13:21 popbox kernel: EXT3-fs warning (device sdc1): ext3_unlink: Deleting nonexistent file (12955481), 0 |
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| 21:10.06 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: i got that message constantly, hundreds of times, during normal operations |
| 21:10.15 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: you will, yes. |
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| 21:10.35 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: and the fs is ok, and can be fscked |
| 21:10.41 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: but the data is totally broken |
| 21:10.42 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: sure |
| 21:11.21 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: and that is all i was trying to claim anyway, that no fs can protect against that data loss |
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| 21:12.08 | enouf | idiot |
| 21:12.26 | enouf | well , maybe just a n00b |
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| 21:12.54 | jelly-ho | enouf: thank you for that enlightening comment, I'd never have guessed :-P |
| 21:13.27 | enouf | jelly-ho: i really want to remember this as pertaining to my FS comments O_o |
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| 21:14.17 | jelly-ho | valdyn: however, the world is not binary and some fs have more issues with data lossage than others |
| 21:14.19 | enouf | jelly-ho: ever since netsplit mania has gotten out of hand, i disabled any/all the /join/part messages |
| 21:15.15 | valdyn | jelly-ho: yep |
| 21:15.18 | enouf | jelly-ho: actually, there's no such thing as truly digital, all square waveforms have some rounding of it's edges ;-) |
| 21:15.50 | enouf | (much moreso than many know) |
| 21:16.22 | jelly-ho | helo: hush! |
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| 21:16.42 | bengalikid | when i press "root (hd" it says "Error 21: Selected disk does not exist" what could be wrong? (recently i tried to install xp) |
| 21:17.05 | chops | Every time I come back to this channel after 10 minutes or so of working, the whose-FS-is-better flamewar is still going on :-( |
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| 21:17.13 | chops | I helped start it, so I would like to say that I am sorry for that. |
| 21:17.15 | tacit | bengalikid: Did you mean "root (hd0,0)"? |
| 21:17.29 | enouf | chops: it's over, stop instigating :-P |
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| 21:18.06 | chops | enouf: Oh, so it is. Quite right. |
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| 21:18.11 | smoere | hi |
| 21:18.11 | enouf | bengalikid: you likely broke grub very badly |
| 21:18.11 | dutchfish | chops, no worry, it eventually sisles away after all the testosteron has being used up |
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| 21:18.55 | smoere | since i upgraded my debians server samba to 3.0.28 i cant connect my xboxes to it. my windows client can still connect |
| 21:19.00 | smoere | is there any knows issue? |
| 21:19.06 | dutchfish | chops, at least we have a choice :) |
| 21:19.08 | valdyn | !bts |
| 21:19.08 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 21:19.23 | gausus | re |
| 21:19.24 | enouf | chops: once we got past the "idea" of disparraging comments, i think we did ok in the end ;-) |
| 21:19.30 | gausus | hmmm |
| 21:19.42 | gausus | i have upgraded lenny and my system is all screwed up |
| 21:19.55 | gausus | Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd/usr/sbin/sshd: /lib/libpam.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr |
| 21:19.58 | gausus | /sbin/sshd) |
| 21:20.25 | gausus | and when i try to login on a console , i can type login and then the system acts, as if would press enter few times |
| 21:20.36 | enouf | chops: not to mention; i'm still not sure that the word "gnostic" even exists, let alone if i used it improperly :-P |
| 21:20.38 | gausus | and it says that try limit is exceeded |
| 21:20.55 | valdyn | !dict gnostic |
| 21:20.57 | dpkg | Dictionary 'gnostic' (6): 2. (Eccl. Hist.) Of or pertaining to Gnosticism or its adherents; as, the Gnostic heresy. ;; possessing intellectual or esoteric knowledge of spiritual things ;; I said you were a gnostic fellow. --Sir W. Scott. ;; of or relating to Gnosticism; "Gnostic writings" ;; Gnostic \Gnos"tic\, a. 1. Knowing; wise; shrewd. [Old Slang] ;; an advocate of gnosticism. |
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| 21:21.26 | dutchfish | !dict oblowsky |
| 21:21.28 | dpkg | could not find definition for oblowsky |
| 21:21.30 | Miesco | I used module-assistant to install nvidia modules, I can modprobe nvidia, but when I try to run X it gives me an error: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) Here is a log and other info: http://pastebin.com/m3ca2977d Any help would be appreciated. |
| 21:21.36 | abrotman | msg the bot ? |
| 21:21.37 | enouf | hrm, still a bad choice of words for what i meant - thanks valdyn ;-) |
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| 21:22.05 | smoere | anyone know of connection problems when updating to samba 3.0.28 ? |
| 21:22.40 | stanis_sh | <dutchfish> I've set up belocs-locales-* packages |
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| 21:22.43 | jelly-ho | gausus: hm, you ought to be able to log in using the forgotten-root-password procedure |
| 21:22.59 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, did it work out? |
| 21:23.00 | stanis_sh | where's the right place to set LC_ALL / LANG / LANGUAGE? |
| 21:23.06 | valdyn | !locale |
| 21:23.06 | dpkg | i guess locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 21:23.07 | abrotman | smoere: bugs.debian.org |
| 21:23.13 | stanis_sh | It generated the locales at least |
| 21:23.19 | enouf | distro-apathetic and fs-apathetic is likely a better term |
| 21:23.24 | gausus | jelly-ho: i remember my password, and i can log in in single mode |
| 21:23.35 | gausus | but i would like to put my machine back up and running :) |
| 21:23.41 | enouf | !dict apathetic |
| 21:23.43 | dpkg | Dictionary 'apathetic' (2): showing little or no emotion or animation; "a woman who became active rather than apathetic as she grew older" ;; marked by a lack of interest; "an apathetic audience"; "the universe is neither hostile nor friendly; it is simply indifferent" . |
| 21:23.52 | enouf | nice, women ;-) |
| 21:24.12 | Miesco | abrotman: Whats the latest kernel for lenny? |
| 21:24.20 | abrotman | 2.6.22-3 |
| 21:24.28 | smoere | hmm |
| 21:24.34 | Miesco | How come I have 2.6.22-4? |
| 21:24.41 | abrotman | Miesco: i haven't updated yet today? |
| 21:24.42 | jelly-ho | gausus: ah, goody. try installing some other version of libpam0g? |
| 21:24.44 | enouf | security? |
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| 21:24.57 | Miesco | I had it a long time ago |
| 21:25.04 | enouf | eww |
| 21:25.07 | abrotman | Miesco: maybe you got it from unstable ? |
| 21:25.08 | stanis_sh | dutchfish - do I need to reboot now? |
| 21:25.14 | Miesco | abrotman: I cant get nvidia to work: http://pastebin.com/m3ca2977d |
| 21:25.16 | abrotman | Miesco: which architecture ? |
| 21:25.27 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, if you have no more errors sure you can |
| 21:25.34 | Miesco | abrotman: P4 |
| 21:25.34 | jelly-ho | gausus: in fact, paste(bin) dpkg -l libc6 libpam0g openssh-server |tail -3 |
| 21:25.39 | abrotman | Miesco: uname -a |
| 21:25.43 | gausus | jelly-ho: i have reinstalled it, wait a sec |
| 21:25.49 | abrotman | Miesco: and nvidia in lenny is busted again |
| 21:25.59 | Miesco | Linux debian 2.6.22-4-686 #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 16:29:32 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:26.04 | enouf | abrotman: how long now? |
| 21:26.13 | gausus | jelly-ho: http://pastebin.com/m365cd40d |
| 21:26.13 | abrotman | enouf: FIIK ... this is why i don't use that stuff |
| 21:26.14 | Miesco | abrotman: So should I use nvidia way for now? |
| 21:26.24 | abrotman | Miesco: ask jetscararargghhht! |
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| 21:26.30 | abrotman | where the hell is he |
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| 21:26.36 | enouf | abrotman: i see, i am not complaining, i don't use it either ;-) |
| 21:26.46 | jelly-ho | gausus: same here, I run i386 |
| 21:26.59 | stanis_sh | dutchman even if I set these variables using export the terminal doesn't show me the proper ru_RU.UTF-8 |
| 21:27.13 | enouf | Miesco: wanna try something? |
| 21:27.20 | Miesco | k |
| 21:27.30 | jelly-ho | gausus: does doing ldd /usr/sbin/sshd make it complain as well? |
| 21:27.55 | abrotman | enouf: when you said that to me .. i woke up in a gutter with a dress on! |
| 21:28.00 | gausus | nope |
| 21:28.07 | gausus | jelly-ho: i run sparc64 |
| 21:28.13 | enouf | Miesco: http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt i have it bookmarked as "NVIDIA 2.6.23 Debian (Jetscreamer)" so beware |
| 21:28.17 | gausus | jelly-ho: let me reboot and we will se |
| 21:28.18 | gausus | e |
| 21:28.22 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, you have to log out and in again to get it active |
| 21:28.33 | enouf | abrotman: stop! you're making my willy move |
| 21:28.43 | dutchfish | lol |
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| 21:28.53 | abrotman | enouf: did you leave the parking brake off again? |
| 21:29.13 | enouf | haha |
| 21:29.24 | jelly-ho | enouf: u has orcas? |
| 21:29.30 | enouf | red beards always turn me on :-P |
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| 21:30.33 | bengalikid | is solaris as updated and good as linux? |
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| 21:30.53 | dutchfish | enouf, </stops> == <begin> |
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| 21:31.41 | valdyn | !solaris |
| 21:31.41 | dpkg | methinks solaris is better known as slowaris (ask me about slowaris) because the hardware is so incredibly shitty, it makes AreEss64 puke., but <ashp> Learning solaris is like anally raping myself with a big red fire truck., or ask me about solaris source, or pretty much okay on x86, or shit. slowlaris, or http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152676&cid=12814224 |
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| 21:31.46 | enouf | dutchfish: you know me too well, and your name is a combination platter to me ;-) |
| 21:31.56 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 21:31.57 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
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| 21:32.22 | dutchfish | :) |
| 21:32.26 | enouf | i wish dpkg knew about Calamari ;-) |
| 21:32.33 | mirak | hi |
| 21:32.38 | action09 | huhu :) |
| 21:32.48 | mirak | what is the command to have bash spitting the trace of the scripts ? |
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| 21:32.56 | dutchfish | enouf, softly fried in olive oil |
| 21:32.56 | enouf | tee ? |
| 21:33.05 | enouf | dutchfish: bingo |
| 21:33.17 | dutchfish | enouf, with lots of garlic |
| 21:33.24 | enouf | BINGO! |
| 21:33.28 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 21:33.54 | enouf | dutchfish: i'll be over in about 20 minutes |
| 21:34.18 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, i have scamppi's too, the big ones |
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| 21:34.47 | dutchfish | sorry, this was of coarse offtopic |
| 21:34.49 | enouf | ;-) you prawn you |
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| 21:35.49 | jelly-ho | mirak: set -x? |
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| 21:36.09 | mirak | jelly-ho: yep, I just finally found it ^^ |
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| 21:37.34 | stanis_sh | dutchfish http://pastebin.org/23135 |
| 21:37.42 | stanis_sh | still no luck |
| 21:37.53 | stanis_sh | even with en_US |
| 21:38.28 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y -- are you using an offcial repository? |
| 21:38.45 | stanis_sh | a mirror |
| 21:39.05 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, still |
| 21:39.26 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, strange |
| 21:39.44 | stanis_sh | I never saw such behavior |
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| 21:39.54 | stanis_sh | even in potato :) |
| 21:40.05 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, me neither |
| 21:40.06 | mirak | I have this error /etc/init.d/sasc-ng: 36: Syntax error: "(" unexpected http://pastebin.org/23138 I don't see why I get this error on my script |
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| 21:41.56 | enouf | mirak: sorry, thought you said splitting, not spitting |
| 21:42.16 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, you could try another repository like mirror.yandex.ru |
| 21:42.38 | stanis_sh | well, I guess the problem in the system configuration |
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| 21:43.14 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, was this a clean setup and upgrade to lenny? |
| 21:43.40 | JW | does anyone know how to make exim try to resend all mail in the queue, regardless if its hold time or state? |
| 21:43.45 | stanis_sh | This is a pitiful try to upgrade to lenny from ubuntu |
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| 21:44.06 | abrotman | JW: i'm pretty sure this is in the mailq man page |
| 21:44.07 | jelly-ho | stanis_sh: that's not possible |
| 21:44.19 | stanis_sh | why? |
| 21:44.22 | abrotman | stanis_sh: so do it like a normal person .. reinstall .. when oyu're done no one will support you |
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| 21:44.30 | jelly-ho | stanis_sh: they are different distros |
| 21:44.57 | stanis_sh | <jelly-ho> really? :) never heard about it |
| 21:45.09 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, upgrading from ubuntu to lenny is not supported |
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| 21:45.34 | stanis_sh | why? |
| 21:45.44 | stanis_sh | about 500Mb of packages works nice |
| 21:45.52 | dutchfish | !ubuntu |
| 21:45.53 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:46.02 | jelly-ho | stanis_sh: implying they have different package sets, different dependencies, scripts, and you'll be triggering bugs that no one else in thw world has |
| 21:46.02 | abrotman | stanis_sh: so do it like a normal person .. reinstall .. when oyu're done no one will support you |
| 21:46.18 | abrotman | stanis_sh: see that part about no support .. usually important |
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| 21:46.59 | Nyle | you can go from ubuntu to debian |
| 21:47.18 | jelly-ho | stanis_sh: reinstall, that's all there is to say. You won't get any help here even if you succeed in upgrading |
| 21:47.45 | Nyle | stanis_sh, it is easily done too, given you have a spare partition etc. |
| 21:47.55 | JW | abrotman: I've read it up and down and can't find it in the man page |
| 21:48.06 | Nyle | stanis_sh, its still considered installing debian |
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| 21:48.13 | JW | abrotman: I found how to do one message at a time by ID, but not the whole queue |
| 21:48.16 | abrotman | JW: google "flush exim mail queue" |
| 21:48.18 | stanis_sh | jelly-ho: the problem is that I have no bootable CD at the moment |
| 21:48.35 | gausus | jelly-ho: reinstalling PAM solved the problem :) thanks :) |
| 21:48.37 | jelly-ho | stanis_sh: read about debootstrap in the installation guide |
| 21:49.00 | Nyle | !debootstrap |
| 21:49.00 | dpkg | hmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 21:49.04 | dutchfish | JW, but be aware that this can cause trouble, by a lot of spamfilters |
| 21:49.47 | stanis_sh | Nyle - is it possible to keep the current data? |
| 21:49.57 | stanis_sh | the packages are nearly the same |
| 21:50.05 | Nyle | what data? |
| 21:50.22 | stanis_sh | soft for example |
| 21:50.36 | Nyle | I'm sorry I am not familiar with soft data. |
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| 21:51.12 | cast | nearly is not good enough |
| 21:51.16 | Nyle | stanis_sh, I think you should forget about everything and get yourself a debian cd. |
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| 21:51.53 | dutchfish | stanis_sh, the best advice is to back up your system, and reinstall from scratch when you have a netinstall, or use debootstrap method |
| 21:52.21 | jelly-ho | stanis_sh: If you were knowledgeable enough, you could copy user data in /home, /var/mail, and user's entries in /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group over to the new installation |
| 21:52.48 | Nyle | jelly-ho, actually you don't need to be knowledgable |
| 21:52.55 | stanis_sh | <jelly-ho> I think I will move the data to the server :) |
| 21:53.00 | Nyle | factoid above contains those instructions |
| 21:53.02 | stanis_sh | in the local network |
| 21:53.08 | Nyle | or links to them, etc. |
| 21:53.32 | wam | Any recommendations which 1u mainstream server to buy? dell sucks because their 6ir raid is unsupported, hp builds in an incompatible sata-raid controller (only a € 160 sas controller seems to work sometimes), IBM is far too expensive so I didn't check... Something which works out of the debian box? |
| 21:53.55 | Nyle | wam, build your own |
| 21:54.02 | wam | Nyle: 1u? Nah ;) |
| 21:54.06 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:54.12 | Nyle | hey it could be fun |
| 21:54.16 | jelly-ho | Nyle: eh, getting all the little user data pieces all over the system is funkeh. I forgot about cron/at jobs, for instance |
| 21:54.20 | wam | lol - sure. Will be 2-3 meters long |
| 21:54.40 | Nyle | jelly-ho, well.. is that what 'soft data' is? ;) |
| 21:55.25 | jelly-ho | Nyle: I have no idea what soft data is... I'll pretend it's a caek with code written on it |
| 21:55.34 | Nyle | haha |
| 21:55.40 | stanis_sh | <Nyle> ~50Mb of my projects |
| 21:55.43 | Nyle | 05:50 < Nyle> what data? |
| 21:55.43 | Nyle | 05:50 < stanis_sh> soft for example |
| 21:55.50 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:55.51 | dutchfish | wam, any server will do with a 3ware raid controller, and your first statement is incorrect |
| 21:56.00 | jelly-ho | wam: "incompatible sata-raid controller"? |
| 21:56.09 | stanis_sh | <Nyle> and /etc :) |
| 21:56.20 | jelly-ho | wam: Proliant 360G5 work well for us. |
| 21:56.25 | enouf | wam ibm? |
| 21:56.27 | babbage | Any French speakers about? |
| 21:56.43 | wam | dutchfish: thanks for the tip. But the 6ir will only work with dell's / LSI's megaCLI software |
| 21:56.56 | Daviey | babbage: looks like you literally just missed one :) |
| 21:56.56 | wam | dutchfish: at least the check if state is optimal |
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| 21:56.58 | dutchfish | wam, incorrect again, i am using that one myself atm |
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| 21:57.15 | wam | dutchfish: is there new support in newer kernels? |
| 21:57.17 | dutchfish | wam, but it is not supported by dell |
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| 21:57.27 | dutchfish | wam, 2.6.23 and up |
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| 21:57.32 | wam | dutchfish: wow |
| 21:57.39 | wam | dutchfish: rocks - so it's really an option |
| 21:57.40 | dutchfish | wam, :) |
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| 21:58.04 | wam | dutchfish: yeah - I just coded around it and cron'd a script which checks via megaCLI and logs to syslog. |
| 21:58.11 | wam | dutchfish: which sucks ;) |
| 21:58.12 | dutchfish | wam, i admit its a bit of a hassle to setup, but it works |
| 21:58.27 | subsume | I'm trying to net boot with debian but the client machine is simply getting 'PXE-T01 File not found. TFTP Error - File Not Found.... help? |
| 21:58.36 | njoodle | would someone be so kind to give me the e1000e kernel driver for debian 2.6.22-3-486, which is in the testing installer? |
| 21:58.39 | wam | jelly-ho: thanks, this is with a "real" SAS RAID controller, right? |
| 21:58.51 | wam | dutchfish: do you have some docs how to manage it? |
| 21:58.55 | dutchfish | wam, maybe even go by 2.6.24-3, its a better kernel |
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| 21:59.07 | jelly-ho | wam: hw raid, yes |
| 21:59.15 | dutchfish | wam, nope, sorry |
| 21:59.40 | wam | dutchfish: so it's probarbly just the new kernel and I get failure-log entries to the kernel log? |
| 21:59.48 | dutchfish | wam, or go by a 3ware controller, all from 2.6.17 and up supported |
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| 22:00.30 | wam | jelly-ho: I'm evaluating hp currently. I just didn't like that they tried to sell the embedded sata controller as compatible to debian, which is wrong. |
| 22:00.30 | simonrvn | njoodle: don't ask such things like that, you could end up with someone sending you a trojaned driver |
| 22:00.40 | enouf | babbage: #debian-fr ? |
| 22:00.49 | jelly-ho | wam: though, they have 2-3 options for the sas controller. _Don't_ use the cheapest one. P400i is ok. |
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| 22:00.59 | wam | jelly-ho: ok, thanks |
| 22:01.05 | njoodle | simonrvn: that's fine, I just need to install the damn OS, I can install a newer one later |
| 22:01.09 | njoodle | a good one, even |
| 22:02.09 | simonrvn | njoodle: um, you're not getting me |
| 22:02.20 | jelly-ho | wam: I have no idea which embedded sata controller you're talking about (or which salesdroid told you that :-) |
| 22:02.33 | njoodle | simonrvn: what will their trojan possibly do? |
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| 22:02.47 | simonrvn | njoodle: anything they want |
| 22:02.49 | njoodle | steal all the data on my disk drive? :) |
| 22:02.52 | cloakable | Does anyone here know how to make Kontact use Apache2 with WebDAV for GroupDAV? |
| 22:02.57 | njoodle | simonrvn: that's what I mean |
| 22:03.03 | wam | jelly-ho: yeah - it's a software-supported raid controller, which under linux just runs as a usual sata controller, which of course can be used as a software raid ;) |
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| 22:03.10 | njoodle | there's nothing that "anything" is |
| 22:03.19 | techouse | wifi works! haha!!! |
| 22:03.30 | techouse | I <3 Debian! |
| 22:03.41 | jelly-ho | wam: yeah, I guess entry level machines might have some crappy stuff like that |
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| 22:04.27 | wam | jelly-ho: I just want the nicest setup for <$2000 for a 1u server. Best would be: install vanilla debian and anything is supported ;) |
| 22:04.37 | benjamindees | what's the solution to a sis900 and an 8139too that don't like sharing an IRQ? |
| 22:04.46 | wam | jelly-ho: and even hp has the 320, which is below that price. |
| 22:05.06 | dutchfish | benjamindees, simple: enable pnp in your bios? |
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| 22:05.08 | cafuego | benjamindees: Rip 'em both out and put in real NICs. |
| 22:05.32 | cafuego | benjamindees: Failing that, manual assignment or maybe even physically moving cards to a different pci slot. |
| 22:05.38 | subsume | How to restart DHCP server? |
| 22:05.57 | cloakable | subsume: What DHCP server? |
| 22:06.02 | benjamindees | cafuego, all of my 3c590's are ISA :( |
| 22:06.16 | benjamindees | s/3c590/3c509/ |
| 22:06.24 | njoodle | http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/ has one |
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| 22:06.37 | subsume | cloakable: I dunno. I am mucking around trying to figure out why my thin clients can't connect to my server. I keep changing things in the ltsp dhcp conf file but nothing is changing |
| 22:06.38 | njoodle | ok, "thanks" all |
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| 22:07.07 | benjamindees | okay, so those are all good suggestions, but this is a headless box with a single accessible PCI slot :( |
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| 22:07.25 | simonrvn | njoodle: fuck you too |
| 22:07.35 | cast | opeth time! |
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| 22:07.41 | babbage | enouf: everyone seems asleep there (on OFTC) |
| 22:08.13 | enouf | babbage: no channel here? |
| 22:08.33 | cloakable | subsume: What is the name of the conf file? dhcpd.conf? |
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| 22:08.54 | subsume | cloakable: yes |
| 22:09.22 | cloakable | subsume: /etc/init.d/dhcp-server restart |
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| 22:09.25 | cloakable | I think |
| 22:09.32 | subsume | cloakable: thanks |
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| 22:09.50 | Gun_Smoke | Guys I'm trying to find if anyone has Got Pro Pilkki to run under wine? |
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| 22:10.41 | Gun_Smoke | It's an ice fishing game, most support is in a language I don't understand.. Finnish maybe? |
| 22:10.45 | cloakable | subsume: No problem |
| 22:10.48 | enouf | Gun_Smoke: try #winehq perhaps |
| 22:11.02 | simonrvn | enouf: erm, why? |
| 22:11.04 | enouf | then go blow james arnez |
| 22:11.14 | simonrvn | the mug thingy |
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| 22:11.30 | enouf | simonrvn: no noodly appendage was limp? |
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| 22:11.52 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 22:11.55 | grendal_prime | how would i go about limiting the shell for a user to just their home dir? |
| 22:12.28 | cast | grendal_prime: don't bother. make a vserver instance instead i would |
| 22:12.34 | Gun_Smoke | enouf: Thanks, I'll look into it. |
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| 22:14.50 | techouse | wow |
| 22:14.50 | techouse | netsplit |
| 22:14.50 | techouse | :P |
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| 22:15.05 | grendal_prime | im trying to set up a box for sftp access and i really dont want the person paroosing the rest of the server |
| 22:15.05 | fjfalcon | do anyone install awesome wm ? |
| 22:15.06 | simonrvn | perusing |
| 22:15.07 | grendal_prime | fjfalcon: no idea what that is.. |
| 22:15.08 | Cayn | Does anyone know of a way to boost the output sound volume? I've got the realtek alc885 chip and with all the adjustments on max I've still got a low volume |
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| 22:15.08 | benjamindees | !awesome wm |
| 22:15.08 | grendal_prime | simonrvn: right...but im nearly illiterate.. |
| 22:15.08 | techouse | Cayn: alsamixer |
| 22:15.08 | simonrvn | !info awm |
| 22:15.21 | simonrvn | !info awesomewm |
| 22:15.28 | simonrvn | meh |
| 22:15.31 | Cayn | techouse: That's where I set everything at max |
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| 22:15.32 | benjamindees | dpkg, awesome wm is KDE :p |
| 22:15.32 | dpkg | benjamindees: okay |
| 22:15.32 | techouse | bot down? |
| 22:15.40 | grendal_prime | doesnt look like its in the Jedi archives |
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| 22:15.49 | fjfalcon | grendal_prime: http://awesome.naquadah.org/ |
| 22:16.12 | t00t | huh |
| 22:16.16 | t00t | am i here? |
| 22:16.21 | t00t | pinged? |
| 22:16.25 | simonrvn | it is, just finding out the package name |
| 22:16.31 | simonrvn | t00t: no you're over there |
| 22:16.50 | t00t | ah k, since i got the welcome notice again from here x/ |
| 22:17.08 | techouse | cayn: uhm.... dunno i have debbie connected to an amp xD |
| 22:17.12 | Cayn | t00t: Nope, you're definetly over there, with the _others_ |
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| 22:17.28 | t00t | aww i cant be part of the _others_ :( |
| 22:17.31 | simonrvn | t00t: you were probably part of the netsplit |
| 22:17.37 | simonrvn | !info awesome |
| 22:17.39 | dpkg | awesome: (dynamic and tiling window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.2~rc3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 316 kB |
| 22:17.43 | t00t | ah netsplit, k :p |
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| 22:17.57 | t00t | [23:15] + Netsplit over, joins: cloakable, SilverWolf, PriitM, JW, manic12, ProwL, diveli, Octal_, Gunirus_, babbage (+367 more) |
| 22:17.59 | t00t | ah yea i see :p |
| 22:18.15 | norc | Can anybody pls check which package contains gnome-settings-daemon? |
| 22:18.20 | k-man_ | anyone know of a site that can be used to monitor a web page for changes? |
| 22:18.20 | norc | apt-file doesnt give me any package |
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| 22:18.34 | norc | k-man_: do it yourself? |
| 22:18.35 | techouse | jup, he was part of a the netsplit: * t00t has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 22:18.41 | simonrvn | !tell norc -about pdo |
| 22:18.47 | Maulkin | norc: look at packages.debian.org, bottom of the page. |
| 22:19.04 | t00t | ty techouse :p |
| 22:19.23 | norc | gotcha, thx |
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| 22:19.28 | kn0x | hello |
| 22:19.39 | fjfalcon | ok, another question. How to backport package? |
| 22:19.49 | kn0x | hmm anyone familiar with how to reisize a LUKS partitiion |
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| 22:19.54 | cloakable | t00t: :P |
| 22:20.14 | benjamindees | !tell fjfalcon about simple sid backport |
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| 22:20.24 | kn0x | i want to make sure i have this down path before i try it out and loose all my data |
| 22:20.26 | t00t | stupid netsplits |
| 22:20.33 | norc | fjfalcon: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 22:20.41 | wam | grendal_prime: apt-cache show scponly |
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| 22:21.00 | lelio | hello |
| 22:21.09 | lelio | !list |
| 22:21.09 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to lelio |
| 22:21.21 | kn0x | im using LVM with dm-crypt.. im not quite sure how everything fits together |
| 22:21.28 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:21.30 | kn0x | but its using LUKS |
| 22:21.30 | omnil | kn0x: ext3 on LUKS is OK, didn't try other fs |
| 22:21.31 | lumgwada | Hey all, is there a way to set up a monitoring process that can notify when a write attempt on a specific file was made and the process that made it? |
| 22:21.33 | lelio | Buona serata |
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| 22:21.38 | kn0x | omnil: thats what im doing |
| 22:21.46 | kn0x | ext3 on LUKS |
| 22:21.48 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 22:21.55 | kn0x | i want to reize the whole LUKS |
| 22:22.08 | kn0x | so i can create an a small UNencrypted partition |
| 22:22.41 | cast | been using XFS on luks for ages, no issues |
| 22:22.49 | stanis_sh | looks like upgrade is nearly finished |
| 22:23.00 | kn0x | im not having any issues cast i just want to reize it |
| 22:23.06 | kn0x | *resize |
| 22:23.07 | benjamindees | !info gamin |
| 22:23.09 | dpkg | gamin: (File and directory monitoring system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 62 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 22:23.36 | norc | Is there a way to install a specific package ignoring its dependencies? |
| 22:24.14 | simonrvn | no |
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| 22:25.40 | kn0x | do i have to resize the ext3 first? |
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| 22:25.45 | kn0x | and then resize LUKS? |
| 22:25.51 | kn0x | or do i just resize LUKS with crypt-setup |
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| 22:26.29 | omnil | kn0x: ext3 first, then LUKS. |
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| 22:26.38 | cast | don't run cryptsetup resize fwiw |
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| 22:28.48 | omnil | kn0x: but be extremely careful and double check shrink numbers |
| 22:28.52 | dusty_ | Hey guys I keep getting the following pop up in syslog: http://rafb.net/p/mWCO2v47.html how can I fix this? |
| 22:29.08 | inFw | Hello. Can I leave dns-search out of my /etc/network/interfaces config? I'm having a problem configuring aliases, don't know what it's about.. |
| 22:29.16 | simonrvn | popup, in syslog? o_O |
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| 22:31.10 | enouf | one of the worst things about DE only users is they have no idea how alone they are |
| 22:31.43 | enouf | not to mention, .. they need to specify much more |
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| 22:33.08 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 22:33.35 | Ace2016 | how do i increase the pointer speed of my touchpad? |
| 22:33.46 | wam | Ace2016: cocain |
| 22:33.54 | simonrvn | dusty_: wrong driver, or some other driver is already using the wifi device |
| 22:34.00 | Ace2016 | so if i move my finger 1 cm on the pad, the mouse goes further across the screen |
| 22:34.03 | Ace2016 | ... |
| 22:34.53 | Ace2016 | cocain isn't in the repositories, are you talking about the drug? |
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| 22:35.28 | xingu | Ace2016: if you're using synaptics driver, you probably won't need to; but if so, synclient |
| 22:36.05 | simonrvn | xingu: WTF are you talking about? :P |
| 22:36.53 | Ace2016 | yes i'm using the synaptics driver, and i always prefer high sensitivity on my mouse |
| 22:37.39 | cast | i use xset m 10 to change mouse sensitivity |
| 22:37.52 | dusty_ | simonrvn, hrm how do i stop that from happening, i have an onboard wifi which is the broadcom which i would rathe be disabled as i have an atheros based pcmcia one which i use occasionally and my ethernet card which i use constantly? |
| 22:38.31 | xingu | Ace2016: gsynaptics can be useful too |
| 22:39.10 | simonrvn | dusty_: i don't do wifi |
| 22:39.10 | xingu | Ace2016: both rely on SHMConfig option |
| 22:39.29 | Ace2016 | yup, just looking up how to add that to my xorg.conf |
| 22:40.42 | fjfalcon | about backporting package... what to do with dependencies ? |
| 22:40.58 | themill | dusty_: do you have the firmware installed? (in /lib/firmware) |
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| 22:42.19 | kn0x | omnil: whats teh process for doing this |
| 22:42.26 | kn0x | im a little confused |
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| 22:43.49 | kn0x | omnil: what do yu mean 'shrink sizes' |
| 22:43.52 | Ace2016 | brb |
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| 22:45.42 | SexyKen | Hey all - quick question. When a connection is received on an interface, does the server respond on through the same interface? |
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| 22:46.16 | omnil | kn0x: i forgot details, but recall i had to manually calculate smth (blocks?) to make sure LUKS won't shrink more than the fs |
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| 22:46.30 | simonrvn | the server wouldn't care |
| 22:46.33 | cafuego | SexyKen: Normally, yes. |
| 22:46.43 | kn0x | omnil: whoa way past my head... any doc? |
| 22:47.09 | cafuego | SexyKen: if you've added or edited routes though, it probablky won't. |
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| 22:48.59 | grendal_prime | wam: thanks for the scponly info im looking at it...it looks like what i want but it says at the beginning of the install, that the chroot could lead to a root compromize? |
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| 22:50.07 | wam | grendal_prime: I don't know - there were recently several security issues - but maybe they're all fixed. See securityfocus.com - that's where I read about the issues. As I don't use it myself I can't help you with it, sorry. |
| 22:50.23 | SexyKen | OKay - this is where I get confused. Here's what I did initially. I set my eth0 device to it's external address - and set the default gateway for the OS to be the external gateway. I set eth1 for my internal address and set the gateway for the internal connection. Problem is simply that the requests received on eth1 do not seem to be using the internal gateway |
| 22:50.34 | grendal_prime | thats cool thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 22:51.18 | simonrvn | SexyKen: that would be client side. set them to have default gw be your eth1 |
| 22:51.46 | SexyKen | simon: What do you mean? |
| 22:52.28 | omnil | kn0x: oh, there was an extra layer (LVM) in my case... you probably can just make LVM a little bigger and call it a day |
| 22:52.46 | omnil | kn0x: /LVM/LUKS/ |
| 22:52.59 | vvd | for years! |
| 22:53.10 | petemc | works ok for me |
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| 22:54.08 | vvd | that never changed since it still was beta! |
| 22:54.31 | vvd | maybe its not rhytmbox fault...dunno |
| 22:55.20 | dabreegster | What is the proper way to have init spawn screen running as a normal user rather than gettys? If I just use rungetty in inittab, it won't open because all the /dev/ttys are owned by root/root. Who's responsibility is it to set them to group tty? if I chgrp in an init.d script, it gets switched back at some point. And makedev obviously isnt doing it. |
| 22:55.43 | cafuego | Daveman: udev |
| 22:55.46 | cafuego | dabreegster: udev |
| 22:55.56 | cafuego | Daveman: never mind |
| 22:56.12 | dabreegster | Haven't tried that yet. Thanks, I'll poke around in /etc |
| 22:56.27 | cafuego | There is no try. udev is what does it :-) |
| 22:56.32 | cafuego | /etc/udev/rules.d/* |
| 22:56.53 | dabreegster | Never messed with it other than to get my soundcard going. Thanks |
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| 22:57.41 | gausus | jelly-ho: still here? |
| 22:58.09 | jelly-ho | maybe |
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| 22:58.18 | gausus | jelly-ho: sshd: [accepted]: relocation error: sshd: [accepted]: symbol EVP_CIPHER_CTX_key_length, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in f |
| 22:58.21 | gausus | ile libcrypto.so.0.9.8 with link time reference |
| 22:58.37 | gausus | jelly-ho: the same system, i wonder how many things are broken |
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| 22:59.04 | jelly-ho | gausus: so... retry with libssl0.9.8 or whatever the package name is? |
| 23:00.28 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 23:00.37 | lsec | Hi |
| 23:00.49 | SamuraiDio | can i set two (OR) interpretes on a bash script... |
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| 23:01.40 | jelly-ho | SamuraiDio: what? |
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| 23:02.21 | SamuraiDio | ahh, forget |
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| 23:03.01 | SamuraiDio | jelly-ho, the intentions was something like #!/usr/bin/php | /usr/bin/php5 on the first line of bash scripts |
| 23:03.09 | gausus | jelly-ho: already did that |
| 23:03.20 | cafuego | SamuraiDio: Nope. |
| 23:03.34 | SamuraiDio | tnx |
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| 23:03.42 | jelly-ho | SamuraiDio: You can't do that, #! line is interpreted by the kernel |
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| 23:03.52 | cafuego | But you can set an interpreter which is a bash script that runs the PHP that is detected :-) |
| 23:04.26 | jelly-ho | right, a wrapper script |
| 23:05.05 | jelly-ho | gausus: no idea... I guess you could downgrade sshd |
| 23:05.13 | jelly-ho | er, openssh-server |
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| 23:05.50 | jelly-ho | gausus: or upgrade the relevant library, if a newer version is available in unstable |
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| 23:06.15 | jelly-ho | gausus: however, these breakages deserve a bug report |
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| 23:07.44 | kn0x | omnil: yeah i have LVM aswell |
| 23:07.56 | gausus | jelly-ho: lubssl was the problem |
| 23:08.10 | gausus | still i have to check everything and then fill the report :) |
| 23:08.15 | gausus | thanks :) |
| 23:08.24 | kn0x | so i have to first resize /mapper/foo-bar with resize2fs; resize LUKS and then resize LVM? |
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| 23:08.39 | kn0x | then add the new partition using the freespace? |
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| 23:09.22 | dabreegster | The issue isn't udev, apparently. I fixed the line in rules.d and all the other ttys are the right group now |
| 23:09.41 | dabreegster | But only tty1 is root/root. rungetty messes with its group. |
| 23:10.04 | kn0x | omnil: i actually want to shrink it |
| 23:10.09 | kn0x | maybe im using wrong terms.. |
| 23:10.10 | omnil | kn0x: nice guys at #lvm helped me with caclulations |
| 23:10.15 | kn0x | ohh ok |
| 23:10.18 | kn0x | thanks |
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| 23:12.05 | MrGreen | help, the harddisk in my laptop appears to be broken. I ran "smartctl -A /dev/hda", the output is here: http://pastebin.com/m5c0f6300 ...can someone take a look plz, and tell me what's wrong with my harddisk? |
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| 23:17.41 | Tramp | MrGreen: why do you think it's broken? |
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| 23:19.24 | dabreegster | I'm not sure what's fudging the permissions on /dev/tty1. udev sets the right group for all the unused ones. But the one with rungetty gets changed back to group root and I can't find where that happens in the source |
| 23:19.57 | k-man_ | is it possible to set the permissions on a directory so that if any file is created in that directory it will chmod 444? |
| 23:20.08 | ringo999 | hi folks. wondering who in here has a job where you work with linux / are forced to work with something else, and what that job is? |
| 23:20.37 | Tramp | k-man_: no |
| 23:20.43 | azeem | ringo999: this is not an interview han |
| 23:20.44 | azeem | chan* |
| 23:21.04 | ringo999 | i work within software dev, im forced to work with windows, but I "try" to use linux anyhow |
| 23:21.22 | azeem | ringo999: how is that related to Debian support? |
| 23:21.57 | ringo999 | azeem: oh sorry, wrong channel |
| 23:22.09 | ringo999 | azeem: happens sometimes... |
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| 23:26.12 | dabreegster | I can't get screen running from inittab. i don't know what's changing the permissions back to group root on /dev/tty1 |
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| 23:26.45 | themill | ringo999: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:27.06 | ringo999 | themill: will try |
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| 23:27.55 | babbage | dabreegster: are you running udev? |
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| 23:28.47 | jescis | I'm back in ubuntu(I started X then had to reboot). :( |
| 23:28.56 | dabreegster | babbage: yes |
| 23:28.58 | azeem | jescis: please go to #ubuntu then |
| 23:29.02 | dabreegster | babbage: i changed the rules |
| 23:29.10 | dabreegster | All unused ttys are root/tty, which is correct |
| 23:29.22 | jescis | But I still need to fix debian. |
| 23:29.23 | dabreegster | But when I run getty or rungetty from inittab, something changes that tty to root/root |
| 23:29.25 | Nyle | ls: cannot open directory squid/: Permission denied |
| 23:29.25 | Nyle | stoned@laptop 0.06 /var/log 74 files using 2.0M |
| 23:29.36 | Nyle | what the heck is going now |
| 23:29.43 | dabreegster | login or something changes it back to root/tty, but rungetty doesn't go through /bin/login. |
| 23:29.48 | Nyle | I have no permissions to access /var/log/squid |
| 23:29.49 | Nyle | great |
| 23:30.04 | dabreegster | I cant find where rungetty messes with the perms for its tty. So inittab must be messing up the tty permissions. WHy would it do that? |
| 23:30.20 | Nyle | drwxr-x--- 2 proxy proxy 4.0K 2008-03-10 06:26 squid |
| 23:31.32 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: it should be root/root while login runs. |
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| 23:32.02 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to get screen running straight from inittab so that I don't have to login |
| 23:32.08 | babbage | dabreegster: I'd be surprised if init does that (inittab is a config file, not a program). Maybe PAM does it; getty probably calls PAM functions. Try investigating what init does with strace. |
| 23:32.26 | vvd | doesnt "aptitude search" show src debs? |
| 23:32.26 | dabreegster | babbage: i thought init was the only unstraceable process |
| 23:32.41 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: What's the correct way to "autologin" and run a program like screen? |
| 23:32.51 | babbage | dabreegster: hmm |
| 23:33.03 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: I don't autologin shells |
| 23:33.16 | dondelelcaro | (there's really no conceivable reason why you'd want to do so, either) |
| 23:33.21 | Nyle | oh i got it |
| 23:33.37 | babbage | dabreegster: Interesting problem, but I have no answer :) |
| 23:33.40 | dabreegster | laziness. its not connected to any network, and I run vclock and screen's lock as soon as it starts |
| 23:33.44 | dabreegster | babbage: I'll keep digging. thanks |
| 23:34.07 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: it's not like logging in is hard, though. |
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| 23:34.53 | Nyle | I have an 'anyone' kinda question... I'm in the need of setting up a caching proxy that has as little overhead as possbile and has bw/connection limitation (I am currently using squid). Does ANYONE have anything else they can recommend? I heard about "oops proxy" but its not packaged in debian (sid) |
| 23:35.44 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: but in any event, rungetty should be able to do it, assuming you use it to start a login session using su or similar instead of just setuid/setgid like it probably does. |
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| 23:39.40 | pawalls | Hi, are the 'a=', 'o=' options to "Pin: release" (apt_preferences) documented somewhere? The man page isn't being very helpful. |
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| 23:42.46 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 23:42.46 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
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| 23:47.09 | dondelelcaro | pawalls: man apt_preferences; explains them. |
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| 23:50.32 | themill | dondelelcaro: "explains" is perhaps pushing it a little. It gives a couple of examples ;) |
| 23:50.48 | Jester45 | is there a tool to make dynamically expanding files? im looking use a few large files (20gb) format and mount them as a loopback device and i was wondering if i could use a tool to change the size as i need (10gb to 20) but not let a non-root user go over this |
| 23:50.50 | m_dige | I can't install the tp-smapi-source module into my kernel using module-assistant. Any ideas ? |
| 23:50.56 | DarkriftX | is there a way to make apt/dpkg create all its needed folders/files? |
| 23:51.13 | DarkriftX | every time i run it i get an error about an unreadable directory/file and i keep making them and finding more |
| 23:51.22 | themill | dondelelcaro: no.... I take that back... I should sleep and/or read.... |
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| 23:51.51 | themill | DarkriftX: can you pastebin the error? |
| 23:52.20 | themill | Jester45: you mean a quota for users? |
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| 23:52.49 | m_dige | it complains with: Package 'linux-modules-2.6.24' is not installed |
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| 23:53.16 | Jester45 | themill, i would like the same effect but the "user" is web based so they dont get a real system user |
| 23:53.57 | Jester45 | so i cant use fstab i was thinking an lvm might work better later but i dont have the space to move all the data around before reformating right now |
| 23:54.03 | Heston | is it possible to set up a tickless x86 32 bit kernel? |
| 23:54.12 | m_dige | linux-modules-2.6.24-1-xen-686 installed |
| 23:54.14 | p_lip | exit |
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| 23:55.11 | abrotman | Heston: i think the x86 arch depends on the tick .. ask #kernel |
| 23:55.32 | Heston | abrotman, well i know ubuntu offers a tickless x86 kernel |
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| 23:55.36 | themill | Heston: as of 2.6.23, I think the debian kernels are tickless |
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| 23:56.04 | abrotman | Heston: then apparently it's possible eh? |
| 23:56.14 | Heston | which branch is using 2.6.23? |
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| 23:56.27 | abrotman | none currenlty .. lenny has .22 .. sid has .24 |
| 23:56.37 | abrotman | lenny should get .24 RSN i'd wager |
| 23:56.53 | Heston | RSN |
| 23:56.55 | Heston | ? |
| 23:57.06 | themill | !rsn |
| 23:57.06 | dpkg | rsn is probably Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 23:57.54 | abrotman | !why is linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 not in testing |
| 23:57.54 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 23:58.22 | Heston | looks like it wont be in testing any time soon |
| 23:58.59 | themill | Heston: etch-and-a-half will probably use it, so it will get there soon enough |
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| 23:59.18 | neosix | Hello! |
| 23:59.25 | Heston | yeah but i need something to use now, not "soon" |
| 23:59.54 | abrotman | you require tickless? |
| 23:59.59 | Heston | i do. |
