IRC log for #debian on 20080311

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`00:01.19`	`DarkriftX`	`themill sorry, daughter started crying right as i asked the q`
`00:01.26`	`abrotman`	`damn kids!`
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`00:01.45`	`Heston`	`unless i missed something, shouldnt sid be tickless as its .24?`
`00:02.03`	`abrotman`	`Heston: what do you need tickless for?`
`00:02.13`	`DarkriftX`	`the errors (there are many) all say /var/apt/blah or /var/dpkg/something is unreadable`
`00:02.20`	`Heston`	`abrotman, high performance game server`
`00:02.22`	`DarkriftX`	`each time i create that folder/file, i get a new one`
`00:02.26`	`DarkriftX`	`ive done like 10 now`
`00:02.33`	`themill`	`DarkriftX: is your disk full?`
`00:02.40`	`DarkriftX`	`nope`
`00:02.46`	`DarkriftX`	`77% free`
`00:02.53`	`DarkriftX`	`i had a non standard apt install`
`00:03.00`	`DarkriftX`	`i installed dpkg first then apt`
`00:03.05`	`Heston`	`abrotman, though that doesnt really matter`
`00:03.09`	`DarkriftX`	`neither came on my distro`
`00:03.33`	`azeem`	`DarkriftX: eh, which distro?`
`00:03.39`	`themill`	`DarkriftX: so you're not using debian?`
`00:03.46`	`DarkriftX`	`embedded debian`
`00:03.51`	`azeem`	`ugh`
`00:03.55`	`azeem`	`ask those people then`
`00:04.01`	`DarkriftX`	`lol`
`00:04.29`	`DarkriftX`	`that must be your way of saying "good, im glad i can get out of telling him i dont have an answer"`
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`00:04.36`	`abrotman`	`or his way of saying that they heavily modify stuff`
`00:04.42`	`DarkriftX`	`its debian with almost nothign installed`
`00:04.57`	`themill`	`DarkriftX: well, apt and dpkg don't fail in that way under normal debian, so whatever they've done to them is the problem... so ask them what they've done.`
`00:05.12`	`DarkriftX`	`they didnt install apt or dpkgs, lol`
`00:05.15`	`DarkriftX`	`but thx`
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`00:05.17`	`pawalls`	`Should apt-cache policy show me the priorities of a particular package target?`
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`00:05.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`pawalls: if you give the particular package`
`00:05.25`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`00:05.28`	`pawalls`	`Right.`
`00:05.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`pawalls: otherwise it gives you the "general" policy`
`00:05.39`	`pawalls`	`Either I'm doing something wrong, or it's not heeding /etc/apt/preferences`
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`00:06.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`pawalls: show us /etc/apt/preferences, apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy <foopkg>; and apt-get -s install foopkg; or whatever you're trying to do.`
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`00:06.21`	`pawalls`	`Does something need to be redone to regenerate the policy if I modify /etc/apt/preferences?`
`00:06.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`pawalls: no`
`00:06.52`	`pawalls`	`dondelelcaro, ok.. let me distill a Release file that reproduces the problem so I can show you that as well.`
`00:08.14`	`dondelelcaro`	`pawalls: cool`
`00:09.59`	`pawalls`	`Ahah! Something must be up with the Release file. when I do 'apt-cache policy' it doesn't show any of the a=,v=,c= etc variables for my repo.`
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`00:13.27`	`pawalls`	`dondelelcaro, sorry about that! definitely appears to be a problem w/ out Release file. Thanks for the tips!`
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`00:15.31`	`dondelelcaro`	`pawalls: np`
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`00:18.07`	`lea_w_`	`Every time I reinstall a package that provides boot services (in init.d), it gets readded to /etc/rc.N even though I previously removed it with update-rc.d. Can I prevent that from happening?`
`00:18.22`	`pawalls`	`If you're curious, this is the release file: http://pastebin.ca/937441`
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`00:18.33`	`lea_w_`	`(Where "reinstalling" includes "updating".)`
`00:18.34`	`pawalls`	`Notice the output of apt-cache policy doesn't show any of the v= lines.`
`00:18.43`	`reZo`	`is there a way to insatll xfce4 without it's text editor and other utilities?`
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`00:25.40`	`DynamicPink`	`I am considering blasting my Turion 32 bit install and going 64 bit. Is the support there for audio/video yet? Last time I tried 64 bit, I ran into roadblocks with flash support.`
`00:26.05`	`cast`	`you're right, flash doesn't support 64bit`
`00:26.20`	`DynamicPink`	`Not even gnash?`
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`00:26.43`	`cast`	`gnash does`
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`00:27.14`	`DynamicPink`	`gnash does flash right, or am I confusing it with another program?`
`00:27.24`	`pipeline`	`gnash is a free implementation of flash`
`00:27.26`	`pipeline`	`it sorta works`
`00:27.29`	`vvd`	`nice is set with nice, and rtprio?`
`00:27.44`	`cast`	`i mean to say`
`00:27.50`	`cast`	`macromedia flash doesn't support 64bit`
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`00:28.03`	`cast`	`but its a piece of shit anyway,`
`00:28.13`	`DynamicPink`	`It seems a waste to run 32 bit on a 64 bit CPU.`
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`00:29.09`	`cheetahj25`	`is there an easy way to install exim with smtp over tls? all of the guides i see refer to compiling the package directly... does anyone ever install it using aptitude ?`
`00:29.19`	`cheetahj25`	`or i should have said configure...`
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`00:34.40`	`abrotman`	`cheetahj25: /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz`
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`00:36.24`	`reZo`	`were is the value stored of which wm etc to startup when "startx" is issued?`
`00:36.33`	`xyblor`	`What do I do when installing a package wrecks the man pages of another package?`
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`00:36.48`	`azeem`	`xyblor: cope, or don't run unstable`
`00:37.07`	`vvd`	`hey, how do i set rtprio for a process? :)`
`00:37.20`	`spaceracoonlady`	`why is there no xfburn in debian reps¿`
`00:37.25`	`xyblor`	`can I copy the correct man page somewhere manually?`
`00:37.27`	`spaceracoonlady`	`no gimmix¿`
`00:37.33`	`streuner`	`vvd: nice?`
`00:37.42`	`spaceracoonlady`	`no mmaker¿`
`00:37.51`	`abrotman`	`reZo: .xsession or /etc/alternatives/`
`00:38.02`	`vvd`	`streuner: that only sets nice level`
`00:38.06`	`reZo`	`abrotman: cheers`
`00:38.07`	`xyblor`	`What does the filename of a man page look like anyway?`
`00:38.29`	`abrotman`	`blah.<sectionnumber>.gz`
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`00:39.04`	`xyblor`	`abrotman: thanks, is that the same file that "info" uses too?`
`00:39.22`	`abrotman`	`uh . don't think so`
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`00:40.44`	`KrAmMeR`	`does anyone know the right way to install a pidgin plugin from the source?`
`00:40.59`	`KrAmMeR`	`i went through configure, make, make install`
`00:41.06`	`KrAmMeR`	`but i still dont see the plugin there`
`00:41.34`	`abrotman`	`ask #pidgin ?`
`00:42.06`	`KrAmMeR`	`i did..`
`00:42.13`	`KrAmMeR`	`: (`
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`00:45.21`	`CalebRipley`	`Is there a opinion to check which programms are used by a program? (I have a problem to use abcde by normal user, it does not read from freedb.org.)`
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`00:48.26`	`dondelelcaro`	`CalebRipley: strace the program`
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`00:49.05`	`xyblor`	`abrotman: It looks like info does use the same files as man: repairing the man page fixed the info page as well.`
`00:49.17`	`abrotman`	`xyblor: not always`
`00:49.31`	`Tramp`	`CalebRipley: it's a script, so you may try "bash -x /usr/bin/abcde"`
`00:49.33`	`xyblor`	`abrotman: guess I got lucky then ;-)`
`00:49.34`	`abrotman`	`xyblor: /usr/share/info/`
`00:49.51`	`xyblor`	`abrotman: ah, I see`
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`00:52.01`	`CalebRipley`	`thanks dondelelcaro and Tramp. I will try to read the scriptfile or do you know anythink about that problem Tramp ?`
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`00:52.49`	`xyblor`	`How do I configure the font size for rxvt?`
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`00:53.22`	`xyblor`	`I imagine it has something to do with .Xdefaults or .Xresources?`
`00:53.45`	`Tramp`	`CalebRipley: no. A quick check shows, it uses "/usr/bin/cddb-tool" to query freedb, which is a standalone script of its own - so you may start there.`
`00:55.30`	`CalebRipley`	`Yes, i found that while my searching. But i am able to start cddb-tool manually.`
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`00:57.32`	`Akuwamari`	`Hi`
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`00:58.10`	`Akuwamari`	`i need to know if one server is enought to mail server, VPN and Web Server`
`00:58.18`	`Akuwamari`	`it hava 146GB SATA`
`00:58.39`	`abrotman`	`CPU? RAM?`
`00:58.40`	`Akuwamari`	`will be used for 25 clients in various countries`
`00:58.53`	`abrotman`	`are you going to store mail on the system?`
`00:58.55`	`Tramp`	`CalebRipley: well, check that the current dir and all dirs mentioned in your .abcde.conf are user-writable. Is there no error returned?`
`00:59.20`	`Akuwamari`	`Pentium D 2.8`
`00:59.23`	`Akuwamari`	`1 GB RAM`
`00:59.33`	`Jester45`	`is mail going to be scaned/filtered? that takes a lot more cpu than just storing`
`00:59.40`	`Akuwamari`	`i will save mails there`
`00:59.54`	`Akuwamari`	`hummmmm`
`01:00.04`	`Akuwamari`	`all client use Windows`
`01:00.07`	`Jester45`	`and will the web be personal sites or larger ones`
`01:00.17`	`Akuwamari`	`is better use 2 servers?`
`01:00.28`	`Akuwamari`	`personal web site`
`01:01.31`	`Akuwamari`	`separate mail server and web, VPN?`
`01:01.32`	`Nyle`	`I have an 'anyone' kinda question... I'm in the need of setting up a caching proxy that has as little overhead as possbile and has bw/connection limitation (I am currently using squid). Does ANYONE have anything else they can recommend?`
`01:02.08`	`Akuwamari`	`Jester: ?`
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`01:04.02`	`abrotman`	`Nyle: squid :)`
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`01:05.12`	`Akuwamari`	`abrotman: have you answer to my question?`
`01:05.28`	`abrotman`	`Akuwamari: it sounds reasonable .. you'll have to do some testing ..`
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`01:05.51`	`Akuwamari`	`do you think is better to use one server to mails?`
`01:06.08`	`CalebRipley`	`Tramp: No, i have no error Messages. abcde sends me only the message that the cddb is unaviable.`
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`01:08.07`	`bengalikid`	`hello i have suse and and windows and after installing windows it can run windows but after installing grub it can bring up opensuse menu. i am on opensuse right now. how can i load windows instead of suse? i installed grub from debian based ubuntu live cd`
`01:08.24`	`abrotman`	`bengalikid: ask #suse`
`01:08.27`	`abrotman`	`or #grub`
`01:09.08`	`bengalikid`	`suse banned me and grub no answer`
`01:09.13`	`abrotman`	`then ask ##linux`
`01:09.22`	`thedonvaughn`	`bengalikid: #debian troubleshoots opensuse installation issues now? prolly not`
`01:09.44`	`CalebRipley`	`Tramp: i am not sure about my .abcde.conf, are you mabe able to take a little view ? http://paste.debian.net/50913`
`01:11.09`	`Nyle`	`abrotman, ok thanks`
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`01:13.38`	`Nyle`	`I heard about oops proxy, but it doesn't seem to be in debian`
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`01:15.06`	`Nyle`	`!oops`
`01:15.06`	`dpkg`	`from memory, oops is "aw damn, i messesd up and deleted <entry>", or see ksymoops`
`01:16.15`	`Tramp`	`CalebRipley: well, if everything under /home/theo is writable by your user, this should be ok - so you may have to run with -x to debug it.`
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`01:18.24`	`bengalikid`	`what command is it to ind out what my partitions are in linux?`
`01:18.33`	`dondelelcaro`	`bengalikid: cat /proc/partitions`
`01:18.37`	`Nyle`	`bengalikid, fdisk -l ?`
`01:18.43`	`Nyle`	`or that`
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`01:21.13`	`heatman`	`Does anyone uses no-ip on their etch box?`
`01:21.31`	`lun1x`	`i do/did`
`01:21.38`	`lun1x`	`now i have it on the router`
`01:21.41`	`lun1x`	`more reliable`
`01:22.44`	`heatman`	`lun1x: kk... when i type the following command: noip2 -S i get the message that its refreshed every 30 mins via my eth0 card.. is there a way to change it to wlan0 since thats what im using at the moment?`
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`01:23.20`	`lun1x`	`heatman: sorry, i used other client`
`01:23.24`	`lun1x`	`ddclient i think`
`01:23.34`	`lun1x`	`but i remmember having the same issue`
`01:23.45`	`lun1x`	`but i got around it using another approach`
`01:23.55`	`heatman`	`lun1x: kk ty nonetheless`
`01:24.03`	`lun1x`	`there was a mode where that parameter was negletabble`
`01:24.28`	`lun1x`	`there was a mode where that parameter was neglectabble`
`01:24.40`	`lun1x`	`it found out the ip address by itself`
`01:24.54`	`CalebRipley`	`Tramp: everthing under /home/theo is writeable and i am the user. With "abcde -d /dev/hda -x" i am not able to get more informations concerning my problem. I have to be damn stupid, i is probably a simple problem.`
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`01:27.01`	`Tramp`	`CalebRipley: no, I mean "bash -x abcde ..." - but, honestly speaking, i doubt that it will help you much.`
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`01:30.26`	`CalebRipley`	`Tramp: Oh i think i does help me. When i use the bash -x [..] on my own user i only get my .abcde.conf, when i use it on root the programm starts.`
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`01:34.10`	`_ZeuZ_`	`Has somebody tested andlinux?`
`01:34.14`	`CalebRipley`	`When i delete my own config and type firstly bash, and check after that also with -x i still get my old conf.`
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`01:45.33`	`bolt`	`Is there a way to X applications locally and be able to connect to them remotely? As in running for instance iceweasel on this machine, then connecting to it remotely and seeing the same iceweasel session? I use VNC for this at the moment, but running remote X applications do provide more of a local feeling...`
`01:45.58`	`CalebRipley`	`Tramp: Thank you a lot. I think i will find tomorrow a solution for my problem, because of your help. Good night out of germany.`
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`01:50.50`	`tobias`	`when i'm executing debian/rules to build a dpkg, how do i specify the -j option for make?`
`01:51.13`	`bolt`	`in the rules file, i'd assume`
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`01:52.37`	`tobias`	`bolt: i believe there's an environment variable`
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`02:01.11`	`trentster`	`hey all, I have a debian home server setup using postfix, I notice whenever I send mail out the isp rejects it " Domain of sender address www-data@RT.aural.local does not exist. what do I need to do in order to change the sender from address that postfix passes to the isps smtp server?`
`02:02.01`	`jones_513`	`is there anyway i can make it so when one of my computer locks the screen the other one does as well?`
`02:02.31`	`norc`	`jones_513: if you write your own application, sure`
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`02:02.53`	`jones_513`	`norc: haha so no`
`02:02.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`jones_513: if you're using xscreensaver or similar, you can just make a command that logs into the other machine and tells it to lock it`
`02:03.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`jones_513: though if you have them both on about the same timeout, it should happen automatically.`
`02:03.25`	`norc`	`jones_513: it shouldnt be so hard, a few dozen lines of scripting language might even suffice`
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`02:05.28`	`SamuraiDio`	`hi`
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`02:05.49`	`SamuraiDio`	`how can i install my correct locales with aptitude?`
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`02:06.05`	`jones_513`	`dondelelcaro, i am indeed using xscreensaver, how would i go about asking google for advice? the problem is that i dont use them both at the same time, but i want to know for sure if my main computer is locked the other is as well`
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`02:06.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`jones_513: you'd just have the main computer ssh into the other and lock it`
`02:06.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`jones_513: I personally have a command that locks my main machine and ditches all of the ssh keys and gpg keys it knows about`
`02:07.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`jones_513: in your case, you'd just need to set up ssh keys, and then ssh foohost 'DISPLAY=:0.0 xscreensaver-command -lock';`
`02:07.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`(or similar)`
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`02:19.53`	`jones_513`	`ok this is prolly a stupid question, but i havnt used linux in a while, how do i tell my main computer that foo is the hostname of the second? i remember it being pretty easy, i just cant remember how now`
`02:20.22`	`abrotman`	`/etc/hosts is the simplest`
`02:20.31`	`SamuraiDio`	`how do i install/update locales`
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`02:22.04`	`SamuraiDio`	`i find it`
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`02:22.52`	`jones_513`	`abrotman, thanks, if i change the 127.0.1.1foo.matic foo to something else, will that change stick to the local ?`
`02:23.02`	`abrotman`	`i wouldn't change that one`
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`02:36.49`	`cheesebob`	`I want to run windows XP under a virtual machine, any suggestion as to which VM software i should use?`
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`02:38.03`	`abrotman`	`i have an 830`
`02:38.13`	`abrotman`	`cheesebob: hi .. #debian here`
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`02:39.32`	`chibi_killstick`	`mm..well, thanks anyway`
`02:39.35`	`cheesebob`	`abrotman, im asking in here because im running debian and i want to know if there is any particular vm software that is better integrated`
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`02:43.03`	`cheesebob`	`abrotman, so is that a no?`
`02:43.09`	`abrotman`	`no what?`
`02:43.13`	`cheesebob`	`abrotman, im asking in here because im running debian and i want to know if there is any particular vm software that is better integrated`
`02:43.32`	`abrotman`	`in etch .. i think you have qemu .. which is probably a bit slow for what you want`
`02:43.39`	`lun1x`	`cheesebob: i recommend wmware or even xen`
`02:44.02`	`lun1x`	`there is a package called vmware-package`
`02:44.02`	`abrotman`	`oh .. forgot about xen :)`
`02:44.15`	`cheesebob`	`lun1x, any particular reason to use one over the other?`
`02:44.16`	`lun1x`	`and it will make your life easyer`
`02:44.29`	`lun1x`	`well if you plan to have windows hosts`
`02:44.36`	`lun1x`	`then go the vmware path`
`02:44.47`	`lun1x`	`if not... xen`
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`02:49.04`	`cheesebob`	`hmm i better go with vmware then`
`02:49.11`	`cheesebob`	`but that costs $$$ :\|`
`02:49.29`	`lun1x`	`vmware server is free`
`02:49.53`	`icesword`	`server can do what`
`02:50.58`	`cheesebob`	`oooh goody`
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`02:57.39`	`jones_513`	`what should i read up on if i want want to automatically log in to ssh, like after i do the xscreensaver-command -lock it asks for a password, if i make a script to lock this screen and the remote one it will lock this one before i can enter the password so i would like it to automatically log in`
`02:58.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`jones_513: use ssh keys`
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`03:03.50`	`ivan_`	`hi.. someone know about compile fortran apps with mpich?`
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`03:08.30`	`phrost`	`how do you get the install cd to not load a module`
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`03:09.05`	`phrost`	`cpqarray scsi handle is getting taken by one of the sym53c77 modules or something like that`
`03:09.12`	`abrotman`	`use expert mode IIRC`
`03:09.12`	`phrost`	`causing the scsi array to show up as 0 bytes / unavailable in partition manager during setup`
`03:09.13`	`abrotman`	`!ig`
`03:09.13`	`dpkg`	`I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!`
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`03:15.51`	`jescis`	`Was anyone here earlier this morning? I need to know if I remember correctly. I was to type in vga=ask, right?`
`03:15.55`	`phrost`	`it says it otta be sym53c8xx.blacklist=true , but passing that on the installer boot line just says invalid option and ignores it`
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`03:18.27`	`phrost`	`nvm even though it said ignored it still functioned as designed`
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`03:30.00`	`jescis`	`t00t, I forget, do I type in vga=ask in /boot/grub/menu.lst for the debian options?`
`03:30.23`	`liable`	`yep`
`03:30.50`	`jescis`	`liable, ok, thanks`
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`03:34.26`	`Nyle`	`whats going on people of the debian`
`03:35.14`	`Nyle`	`you better get to it man`
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`03:37.31`	`Superbartt`	`:o`
`03:38.36`	`fedya`	`mysqldump -u asdf -pasdf flowers > asdf.sql \| tar --append --file=$BACKUPDIR/pos_backup_$DATE <-- what is wrong with this`
`03:38.54`	`fedya`	`the dump is created but is not appended to the tar archive`
`03:40.34`	`opensrcguru`	`perhaps http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/chap_05.html`
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`03:43.49`	`cast`	`because`
`03:44.01`	`cast`	`you're dumping into a file called asdf.sql`
`03:44.28`	`cast`	`and then running tar append, but not giving it any files to append`
`03:45.20`	`opensrcguru`	`fedya: "man 1 tee" is your friend`
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`03:48.34`	`cast`	`tee how does one use tar with tee?`
`03:48.50`	`cast`	`[in creating/updating archives]`
`03:49.54`	`opensrcguru`	`not directly, but one could write two files directly, then tar files after done`
`03:50.09`	`opensrcguru`	`sorry`
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`03:51.27`	`opensrcguru`	`that was a bad example.....file descriptor redirection is the way to go.`
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`04:29.32`	`Nostahl`	`hi all... how do i set up my tower as an internet connection sharr'er`
`04:31.12`	`cast`	`Nostahl: you put debian on it`
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`04:31.43`	`cast`	`[and install ipmasq]`
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`04:32.02`	`brandon__`	`I can't find "checkinstall". I'm compiling a new "dmraid" from source (v14), to replace my current dmraid from debian's packages (v13)`
`04:32.06`	`Nostahl`	`i have debian`
`04:32.17`	`Nostahl`	`what does ipmasq do`
`04:32.21`	`cast`	`checkinstall was shit and got removed, it might not be shit anymore`
`04:32.27`	`brandon__`	`I'm not trying to generate a package for distribution -- I just want to track the install so I can rm it if I have to`
`04:32.30`	`cast`	`Nostahl: i'm not telling.`
`04:32.39`	`brandon__`	`cast, is there something which watches my "make install"?`
`04:32.48`	`cast`	`brandon__: i suggest using stow`
`04:32.52`	`craigevil`	`brandon__: try using GNU STOW`
`04:33.02`	`denverassasin`	`why is it dangerous to use debian or any distro as root?`
`04:33.24`	`craigevil`	`denverassasin: because aliens will take over your system`
`04:33.27`	`brandon__`	`that's not really what I want to do.. does it create a .deb still?`
`04:33.37`	`cast`	`brandon__: it does not.`
`04:33.57`	`cast`	`you can use dpkg-buildpackage to create debs`
`04:34.05`	`brandon__`	`darn.. anything that'll make something for me to dpkg -r later?`
`04:34.07`	`cast`	`or you could do a simple sid backport`
`04:34.12`	`denverassasin`	`craigevil, ????`
`04:34.54`	`brandon__`	`I'll try the backport first.. I'm in a hurry to get some work done and, while I'd like to know how to make an official debian package (I think I've done it before), I don't have the time at the moment. I appreciate the assistance though -- you know how it can be.`
`04:35.37`	`brandon__`	`devnerassasin, root can do anything on a system.. so can any program running as root.`
`04:35.58`	`SexyKen`	`Is there any way to set up networking on debian so that I have 2 interfaces - and if a request is received on one interface, it's attempted to be sent back using that interface?`
`04:36.07`	`denverassasin`	`im running as root and i dont see any problem, in fact its easier, u have full access, so why is it bad? i mean it could not be only because if u erase a file or edit unintentionally a configuration will cause inestability, ther must be another reason because erasing or editing by accident? u have to be retard`
`04:36.07`	`wols`	`Nostahl: dnsmasq too`
`04:36.09`	`brandon__`	`ie. it has access to all files and basically everything. I mean, I don't know about root bringing the dead back to life, etc...`
`04:36.26`	`brandon__`	`no, you really want to work and handle things as a normal user`
`04:36.26`	`jescis`	`t00t, liable: I think I need a better iso than the net install iso :(`
`04:36.44`	`brandon__`	`you might compile something up which sets the suid bit.. if it's just your user it doesn't matter, but that software can be malicious`
`04:36.51`	`brandon__`	`as root`
`04:37.23`	`brandon__`	`there are also many security flaws in software which can damage a system if they had full access`
`04:37.46`	`brandon__`	`consider some software which removes a whole directory: / lalala/lalal`
`04:37.51`	`SexyKen`	`brandon, ever use hotline?`
`04:38.33`	`brandon__`	`as your own user you might have access to that directory only -- but there's a bug there where the software might try to remove all files on the system. anyway, I think that's enough for now. You can find out plenty of information on this on the web.`
`04:38.44`	`brandon__`	`Ken, no.. for what?`
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`04:40.41`	`Heston`	`brandon__, to talk with steamy hot singles in your area`
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`04:42.21`	`brandon__`	`How do I add a "sid" deb line (I have it) to my apt/sources file in a way that apt* never bothers with it, but that I can specify some command (like apt-get dist=sid install checkinstall)?`
`04:42.51`	`brandon__`	`at the moment I'm going to packages.deb.. searching, and downloading the .deb myself`
`04:43.02`	`denverassasin`	`hi, i saw that the new xchat is available to download as a package but for fedora distro, due to fedora beeing based on debian, i supposed the package should work just fine for me right?`
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`04:43.20`	`wols`	`denverassasin: you are very confused`
`04:43.37`	`wols`	`fedora and debian have nothing in ocmmon besides being a linux distro. neither is based on the other`
`04:43.49`	`wols`	`and no it won't work right`
`04:44.04`	`wols`	`brandon__: doing that is stupid`
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`04:44.27`	`brandon__`	`I thought it was smart and convenient.`
`04:44.37`	`denverassasin`	`oh i thought fedora was based on debian, my mistake then, thought i read it somewhere`
`04:44.39`	`brandon__`	`do tell me how I'm wrong though -- I love to learn.`
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`04:44.46`	`wols`	`a convenient way to break your etch, yes`
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`04:45.03`	`brandon__`	`fedora is redhat I believe. totally different distribution and organization`
`04:45.07`	`wols`	`sid packages ahve sid dependencies`
`04:45.22`	`brandon__`	`yes, I know there would be some awful times if misused, wols`
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`04:45.56`	`wols`	`almost alwys sid packages will install sid libc6 and other libs`
`04:46.03`	`wols`	`which will break your debian`
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`04:46.52`	`wols`	`checkinstall from sid right now depends on libc6 2.6.1 guaranteeing a broken debian in short order`
`04:47.06`	`brandon__`	`yeah.. I just bumped into that when examining sid's checkinstall.. sigh.`
`04:47.18`	`wols`	`!tell brandon__ about simple sid backport`
`04:47.19`	`brandon__`	`would you also recommend stow?`
`04:47.28`	`brandon__`	`k`
`04:47.32`	`wols`	`I recommend backports`
`04:47.34`	`denverassasin`	`wols, look, well since i wasnt so sure i downloaded the source, but then when i extracetd and "make" it gave me some lines that i wasnt so sure about, and i read somewhere theres a few packages that have a default set of software and libraries to compile, is this true? and if it is wich packages are those?`
`04:47.57`	`brandon__`	`nice`
`04:47.58`	`wols`	`!tell denverassasin about build-essential`
`04:48.04`	`wols`	`!tell denverassasin about simple sid backport`
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`04:48.37`	`brandon__`	`denver, run make, then when you're ready you can "sudo make install" to install as root`
`04:49.03`	`wols`	`installing stuff from source outside the package management is discouraged`
`04:49.08`	`brandon__`	`[when you're compiling people's packages by hand]`
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`04:49.40`	`brandon__`	`by the way, wols, dmraid has a newer revision out in source (and .rpm) but not .deb`
`04:49.59`	`denverassasin`	`wols, and if theres no .deb package how u do then?`
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`04:51.03`	`Nostahl`	`ok i got ipmasq and dnsmasq`
`04:51.08`	`Nostahl`	`how do i set them up?`
`04:51.18`	`netdaemon`	`read`
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`04:52.40`	`denverassasin`	`i want to change my sources.list repositories to the texas ftp, but dunno the addresses, where can i find the debian official repositories?`
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`04:53.58`	`Nyle`	`!mirrors`
`04:53.58`	`dpkg`	`i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt \| ask me about <apt-spy> \| to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/`
`04:54.13`	`Nyle`	`denverassasin, try apt-spy`
`04:54.16`	`Nyle`	`!apt-spy`
`04:54.16`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and ...`
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`04:55.49`	`denverassasin`	`Nyle, is that a command? i type it and nothing happens`
`04:56.06`	`denverassasin`	`pff nvm :D`
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`04:56.55`	`Nyle`	`!installit`
`04:56.56`	`dpkg`	`* NEWS FLASH! * Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude`
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`05:01.53`	`liberion`	`hey guys how do i change my icon set in debian?`
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`05:02.08`	`cheesebob`	`rawr`
`05:02.23`	`Nostahl`	`can someone walk me through ipmasq`
`05:02.25`	`Nostahl`	`setup`
`05:02.51`	`wols`	`apt-get install ipmasq done`
`05:02.54`	`wols`	`wasn't that easy?`
`05:03.08`	`Nostahl`	`so how do i set it up`
`05:03.18`	`wols`	`I just told you`
`05:03.22`	`Nostahl`	`how do i connect to the net on my other computer`
`05:04.05`	`wols`	`!fish`
`05:04.05`	`dpkg`	`"Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered.`
`05:04.31`	`Nostahl`	`i asked for doc's earlyer`
`05:04.33`	`wols`	`Nostahl: ask specfic questions to specific questions. TRY at least to do it on your own. we don't like handholding and spoonfeeding`
`05:04.35`	`Nostahl`	`but no answer`
`05:04.41`	`wols`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:04.50`	`wols`	`ipmasq howto?`
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`05:06.24`	`ae`	`hello... was just snooping around on one of our webservers and noticed via top that a java process is running... anyone have any ideas what would be using java with a pretty vanilla etch webserver? (not running tomcat)`
`05:07.31`	`enouf`	`Nostahl: /msg dpkg grounding`
`05:07.47`	`enouf`	`Nostahl: the docs are all installed - so long as you have the pkgs you need`
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`05:08.53`	`enouf`	`Nostahl: also /msg dpkg interfaces (perhaps)`
`05:09.04`	`Penix`	`ae: is there a reason why you have java installed in the first place?`
`05:09.11`	`ae`	`no`
`05:09.16`	`ae`	`its a fairly new server`
`05:09.18`	`wols`	`check the commandline for your java VM`
`05:09.36`	`liberion`	`hey guys how do i change my icon theme in gnome?`
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`05:09.48`	`brandon__`	`that's strange.. why would it want libc6-dev >= 2.5?`
`05:09.48`	`Penix`	`liberion: via its preferences dialog(s)`
`05:09.49`	`ae`	`java --version says there is no java .....ok...thats even stranger`
`05:09.59`	`liberion`	`Penix, ok thanx`
`05:10.20`	`wols`	`brandon__: sid packages and their dependencies`
`05:10.33`	`brandon__`	`they were running off such a large version difference?`
`05:10.44`	`ae`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:10.45`	`wols`	`sid right now uses 2.7`
`05:11.02`	`liberion`	`Penix, under what in preferences because i dont find it in apperence`
`05:11.06`	`brandon__`	`interesting.. I should either force it or go to a different version's checkinstall`
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`05:11.09`	`wols`	`ae: do what I told you`
`05:11.21`	`wols`	`brandon__: neither`
`05:11.37`	`Penix`	`liberion: select a theme, then click Customize`
`05:11.52`	`liberion`	`Penix, ok thanx alot man!!`
`05:11.59`	`ae`	`wols: yup - there is no java...strange (java --version)`
`05:12.12`	`brandon__`	`(I decided to go with kde instead of gnome after many years)`
`05:12.25`	`ae`	`wols: ignore that... its java -version which does show a java`
`05:12.58`	`brandon__`	`install sid's libc6 and dev?`
`05:13.06`	`wols`	`ae: I don't give a fuck about your java version. I asked several other things`
`05:13.20`	`wols`	`brandon__: edit your debian/rules. edit the dependencies`
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`05:13.57`	`ae`	`wols: forget it`
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`05:14.33`	`brandon__`	`wols, I get it. doing so now.`
`05:17.10`	`brandon__`	`and apt-get -b source continues with my modified source tree... wonderful!`
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`05:19.31`	`martillo`	`anyone with artistx experience?`
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`05:25.25`	`wols`	`!tell martillo about anyone`
`05:25.27`	`denverassasin`	`etch is stable, testing or unstable?`
`05:25.36`	`wols`	`stable`
`05:27.10`	`brandon__`	`Oh, that's nice. I added a few values to dmraid to see what it's doing: LOG_ERR(lc, 1, "%s: partition address past end of RAID device (%d > %d)", handler, sector, rd->di->sectors);`
`05:27.35`	`brandon__`	`It happens to give me: (976703805 > 0)`
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`05:29.40`	`denverassasin`	`does anyone here use emesene? if u do could u tell me if theres a deb package or a repository. thx :)`
`05:30.05`	`kgoetz`	`denverassasin: search at packages.ubuntu.com`
`05:30.18`	`wols`	`!tell denverassasin about search`
`05:30.19`	`denverassasin`	`o_O`
`05:30.22`	`simonrvn`	`excuse me?`
`05:30.38`	`tuv`	`kgoetz, bad advice. if it's not in debian it's not in ubuntu`
`05:31.16`	`kgoetz`	`tuv: erk sorry, i thought it was a different channel :\|`
`05:31.23`	`kgoetz`	`denverassasin: packages.debian.org :$`
`05:31.28`	`simonrvn`	`!lart kgoetz`
`05:31.45`	`simonrvn`	`heh`
`05:32.09`	`tuv`	`denverassasin, its homepage refers to http://apt.emesene.org/`
`05:32.56`	`jescis`	`Someone a while back told me to do a net install, I did. Now all I can get is the terminal(tty). I gave to mkdir in /media for every hd partition I have to find the iso that's on one of them. :(`
`05:33.11`	`denverassasin`	`tuv i see`
`05:33.24`	`denverassasin`	`let me check that one :)`
`05:33.48`	`wols`	`jescis: install X and the DE of your choice`
`05:34.05`	`jescis`	`'x is installed`
`05:34.34`	`wols`	`so use it`
`05:34.36`	`tuv`	`jescis, a netinstall asks you whether you want a desktop environment`
`05:34.41`	`jescis`	`every time I run it, or boot into it. I have to reboot`
`05:34.57`	`cast`	`eh oh, there's something oozing out of the hyperfix on my knee`
`05:35.04`	`wols`	`jescis: what videocard? and what driver do you use?`
`05:35.22`	`jescis`	`NVidia 5200`
`05:35.27`	`jescis`	`FX`
`05:35.38`	`jescis`	`by Evga`
`05:35.43`	`wols`	`!enter`
`05:35.43`	`dpkg`	`The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.`
`05:36.19`	`cheesebob`	`Has anybody here installed onto a core2 duo as 64 bit?`
`05:36.19`	`jescis`	`sorry`
`05:36.37`	`tuv`	`cheesebob, there are plenty`
`05:36.46`	`cheesebob`	`does it actually work? :P`
`05:36.55`	`tuv`	`cheesebob, perfectly`
`05:37.01`	`cheesebob`	`awesomeness`
`05:37.43`	`jescis`	`NVidia 5200 FX by Evga`
`05:37.45`	`jescis`	`Better?`
`05:39.19`	`denverassasin`	`what svn do? is it like aptitude?`
`05:39.44`	`jescis`	`svn = SubVersioN`
`05:39.59`	`DawnLight`	`if i'm getting md5sum mismatches from aptitude it probably means there's something wrong with my connection?`
`05:40.25`	`cheesebob`	`no it means theres a mismatch with the repository your using`
`05:40.30`	`tuv`	`denverassasin, revision/version control. to get bleeding edge development versions`
`05:40.46`	`cheesebob`	`tcp guarantees correctness`
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`05:41.20`	`tuv`	`jescis, check your X logs`
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`05:42.14`	`denverassasin`	`tuv, in emesene web page theres a "sn" command, if i type it will download it? or will just keep the track of all versions? dunno i understood right`
`05:42.47`	`tuv`	`denverassasin, if you run you will get the most recent source code, then you have to compile, but that won't be visible to apt`
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`05:44.19`	`denverassasin`	`tuv, but subversion will give me the option to compile it and install it or will just download the source code ina a .gz or b2z file?`
`05:44.33`	`denverassasin`	`:D`
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`05:44.57`	`tuv`	`denverassasin, try it. it will get the source only into a directory, not a .gz`
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`05:45.55`	`denverassasin`	`tuv i see`
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`05:48.24`	`tuv`	`denverassasin, btw, you can search packages.debian.org. it seems emesene is available in unstable`
`05:48.41`	`jescis`	`tuv: I ran xinit. and it said "lib: connection to ":0:0" refused by server" and "xlib: No protocol Specified"`
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`05:49.07`	`Haris1`	`Hello people`
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`05:49.23`	`Haris1`	`Does this ( http://pastebin.ca/937795 ) tell my box has been compromised or could it be another cron script using su ?`
`05:49.45`	`tuv`	`jescis, run 'invoke-rc.d gdm restart' and read the shown messages if it fails, or see /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
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`05:52.49`	`denverassasin`	`tuv, well i already installed it from that repository, but if it is in unstable what that means? that its an unstable package or that is a package for the unstable version of debian (sid)?`
`05:52.56`	`Crysthyna`	`Hello, play online with me ,`
`05:52.56`	`Crysthyna`	`http.//jugar-online.blogspot.com/`
`05:53.14`	`tuv`	`denverassasin, sid`
`05:53.29`	`denverassasin`	`mm i have etch`
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`05:55.25`	`denverassasin`	`how i create an user account? im logged in as root right now cause on debian installation i didnt installed gnome so i could install xfce, and didnt got the option to create an user, how i crete it now :)`
`05:56.01`	`tuv`	`man adduser`
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`05:56.46`	`Haris1`	`Guys, any ideas?`
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`05:57.10`	`jescis`	`tuv: How long does your machine take to boot?`
`05:57.47`	`tuv`	`jescis, which one?! it depends on how many services start on boot and how fast is the machine`
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`05:58.27`	`jescis`	`because my CPU =~1200MHz`
`05:58.46`	`jescis`	`and I have 2GB of ram`
`05:59.10`	`tuv`	`and how long does it take to boot?`
`05:59.11`	`Daemonax`	`Just a question, why is it (in Debian testing) that with iceweasel, on the default page (about:) if you click on the iceweasel logo it goes to mozilla.org, seems a wee bit silly.`
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`06:00.17`	`tuv`	`Daemonax, file a bug report`
`06:00.29`	`jescis`	`reboot it about five seconds or minutes after the scrolling text flies by.`
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`06:01.44`	`Daemonax`	`tuv: alright cool, thanks.`
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`06:02.45`	`jescis`	`I never really timed it. the hdd activity light stops blinking and the screen has it's "No connection" floating box bouncing around the screen.`
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`06:03.58`	`jescis`	`also ubuntu and windoze boots up fine.`
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`06:05.22`	`maelstrom`	`is it possible to download iceweasel or icedove in other distros or even windows ?`
`06:06.01`	`kgoetz`	`you could recompile them`
`06:06.17`	`kgoetz`	`their not available from debian though`
`06:06.49`	`maelstrom`	`i just installed fedora over debian but i kinda got used to clicking on icedove and iceweasel`
`06:08.06`	`kgoetz`	`jescis: :(`
`06:08.06`	`tuv`	`jescis, i don't understand what exactly the problem your seeing is`
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`06:08.48`	`jescis`	`And I'm having a hard time explaining it too.`
`06:09.11`	`tuv`	`jescis, btw, this is usual. debian is somewhat unusual and a bit tedious at first, but it gets extremely rewarding shortly afterwards`
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`06:10.59`	`jescis`	`So, I should stick to it; or start thinking of the "create your own distro" idea?`
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`06:12.36`	`tuv`	`jescis, if you're gonna create something better than debian, go ahead, otherwise don't bother`
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`06:15.57`	`scorche`	`anyone know what the bare essentials are to install on a server so that i will be able to use x-forwarding but not have all the cruft of a full x installation?`
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`06:19.22`	`DawnLight`	`scorche: just don't install xorg`
`06:19.50`	`DawnLight`	`scorche: you'll need xbase-clients, iirc`
`06:20.40`	`scorche`	`DawnLight: thanks...i have have a go at that...i was assuming there would be a small list of libraries`
`06:20.54`	`kgoetz`	`doesnt -clients go on the client?`
`06:21.36`	`DawnLight`	`he needs xauth`
`06:21.46`	`DawnLight`	`so that ssh -X would work`
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`06:28.32`	`darmi`	`hello`
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`06:31.29`	`darmi`	`with the basic client that comes with linux "the mail command" how can I mail to a external source`
`06:31.47`	`darmi`	`e.g. yahoo or gmail`
`06:32.16`	`darmi`	`I tried once & never received the mail`
`06:33.29`	`denverassasin`	`if i want to add an user called "dreammy" and i want it to have high access, (atleast recommednded access) and want the password to be "12345" how the command would be? dont know about groups cause i only have root acc atm`
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`06:34.11`	`DawnLight`	`darmi: you need an MTA like exim. the exim4 package has good documentation`
`06:34.42`	`fantomashka`	`Hi. OpenVPN question. Does anybody know is it possible to disable encryption for a client? I have a client which is networks without secure traffic out, I want to turn off encryption for it.`
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`06:36.05`	`msn`	`is it possible to install fai-server on fedora box`
`06:37.19`	`darmi`	`fantomashka: do u want to create an un-encrypted tunnel?`
`06:37.53`	`fantomashka`	`darmi: true. I want to turn off enc for this connection, leaving it secure for the others`
`06:37.55`	`jescis`	`msn: try #fedora`
`06:37.57`	`darmi`	`DawnLight: exim appears to be on`
`06:38.01`	`kgoetz`	`msn: i expect so, but thats probably a question better asked of fai themselves`
`06:38.24`	`msn`	`thanks`
`06:38.28`	`fantomashka`	`darmi: setting 'cipher none' in ccd/the_client_name doesn't work`
`06:38.36`	`DawnLight`	`darmi: you need to configure it. also, i don't know the mail command. look in /usr/share/doc/exim4`
`06:38.58`	`fantomashka`	`darmi: client claiming I have cipher enabled at server side`
`06:41.13`	`darmi`	`DawnLight: I'll start looking in to it.. is there a config file in specific that I should be looking for?`
`06:41.18`	`darmi`	`fantomashka: hmmmm.`
`06:41.42`	`fantomashka`	`damned #openvpn never helps`
`06:42.06`	`denverassasin`	`if i want to add an user called "dreammy" and i want it to have high access, (atleast recommednded access) and want the password to be "12345" how the command would be? dont know about groups cause i only have root acc atm`
`06:42.21`	`fantomashka`	`not even once :(`
`06:43.09`	`kgoetz`	`denverassasin: 'man adduser'`
`06:43.23`	`kgoetz`	`you'll also need to elaborate on what 'high access' means too`
`06:43.35`	`denverassasin`	`kgoetz, i read that, and another faq on the internet, but i didnt understood shit :(`
`06:43.47`	`jelly-ho`	`being able to climb stairs?`
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`06:44.49`	`denverassasin`	`kgoetz, well then a standard user, wich is the command, i just need the command :(`
`06:45.07`	`spaceracoonlady`	`):`
`06:45.27`	`kgoetz`	`denverassasin: and i cant tell you off the top of my head.`
`06:45.27`	`darmi`	`fantomashka: you still there?`
`06:45.35`	`kgoetz`	`the man page describes all the options though`
`06:45.36`	`spaceracoonlady`	`denverassasin: what do you want¿`
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`06:46.02`	`denverassasin`	`spaceracoonlady, i want to add an user called dreamy`
`06:46.20`	`denverassasin`	`but i dont understand the options and flags of the "adduser" command`
`06:46.31`	`spaceracoonlady`	`useradd -m -s /bin/bash audio,video,... dreamy`
`06:46.42`	`spaceracoonlady`	`-m = create home`
`06:46.53`	`spaceracoonlady`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:47.00`	`spaceracoonlady`	`o sheet`
`06:47.02`	`spaceracoonlady`	`mistake`
`06:47.05`	`spaceracoonlady`	`lol`
`06:47.09`	`denverassasin`	`XD`
`06:47.12`	`jelly-ho`	`useradd or adduser?`
`06:47.19`	`spaceracoonlady`	`useradd`
`06:47.43`	`spaceracoonlady`	`userad -m -s ... -G audio,video,... <name>`
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`06:47.47`	`spaceracoonlady`	`useradd*`
`06:47.49`	`spaceracoonlady`	`OMG`
`06:47.57`	`spaceracoonlady`	`-G = groups`
`06:48.02`	`spaceracoonlady`	`BUT!`
`06:48.05`	`spaceracoonlady`	`RTFM ¿?`
`06:48.23`	`jelly-ho`	`!tell spaceracoonlady -about enter`
`06:48.28`	`spaceracoonlady`	`i have not slept`
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`06:48.30`	`spaceracoonlady`	`for`
`06:48.32`	`spaceracoonlady`	`hours`
`06:48.36`	`spaceracoonlady`	`48 h`
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`06:48.57`	`denverassasin`	`spaceracoonlady, i read the manual, just dont understood it`
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`06:49.07`	`spaceracoonlady`	`may it is not in your mother tongue`
`06:49.14`	`denverassasin`	`spaceracoonlady, u gotta have some groundings on linux to interpretate those manuals`
`06:49.15`	`spaceracoonlady`	`do you understand english¿`
`06:49.16`	`jelly-ho`	`!grounding`
`06:49.16`	`dpkg`	`Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)`
`06:49.50`	`jelly-ho`	`denverassasin: use "/msg dpkg STUFF" to ask the bot about those`
`06:49.52`	`spaceracoonlady`	`denverassasin: NO problem there are always users willing to help you`
`06:50.16`	`spaceracoonlady`	`^^`
`06:50.31`	`denverassasin`	`jelly-ho, i know that, but dpkg dont know all the answres and is not always as accurate as u want`
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`06:50.48`	`denverassasin`	`altough its a leet bot XD`
`06:51.12`	`jelly-ho`	`denverassasin: Indeed. This is where you do "research", or buy a decent book`
`06:51.13`	`spaceracoonlady`	`denverassasin: just type in this as root`
`06:52.33`	`spaceracoonlady`	`useradd -m -s /bin/bash -G dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio,video,plugdev dreamy`
`06:52.33`	`spaceracoonlady`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:52.38`	`spaceracoonlady`	`^^`
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`06:52.43`	`denverassasin`	`jelly-ho, and this is where u stfu, cause ur getting me mad, try using linux for 2 days and then try to know all the stuff u know now... then we talk about it`
`06:52.55`	`spaceracoonlady`	`denverassasin: Watch your language`
`06:52.57`	`denverassasin`	`spaceracoonlady, thanks so much`
`06:53.00`	`spaceracoonlady`	`minors are present`
`06:53.04`	`denverassasin`	`love u`
`06:53.08`	`spaceracoonlady`	`^^`
`06:53.09`	`denverassasin`	`XD`
`06:53.56`	`spaceracoonlady`	`denverassasin: do not forget to do also`
`06:54.05`	`spaceracoonlady`	`passwd dreamy after this`
`06:54.28`	`denverassasin`	`i just did, that the only thing i actually knew by myself :D`
`06:54.34`	`spaceracoonlady`	`fine`
`06:54.59`	`denverassasin`	`:o ~ <3`
`06:55.06`	`spaceracoonlady`	`bah`
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`06:55.58`	`Nyle`	`jelly-ho, whats going on`
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`06:56.59`	`Nyle`	`!popcon`
`06:56.59`	`dpkg`	`hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)`
`06:57.19`	`Nyle`	`!dpkgbot`
`06:57.19`	`dpkg`	`[dpkgbot] Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.`
`06:57.31`	`Nyle`	`!enter`
`06:57.31`	`dpkg`	`The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.`
`06:57.50`	`Nyle`	`!wiki`
`06:58.03`	`Nyle`	`oh nice I did not know that`
`06:58.48`	`Nyle`	`!wiki amd64`
`06:59.04`	`Nyle`	`I guess its not working or something`
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`07:04.59`	`Miesco`	`What do I use to make a photo album?`
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`07:07.05`	`streuner`	`!info igal`
`07:07.08`	`dpkg`	`igal: (online image gallery generator), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4-21 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 116 kB`
`07:07.35`	`streuner`	`!info gallery`
`07:07.37`	`dpkg`	`gallery: (a web-based photo album written in php), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7604 kB, Installed size: 26864 kB`
`07:07.59`	`streuner`	`but keep in mind gallery is heavy, not that light...`
`07:08.51`	`Miesco`	`streuner: Okay i'll check it out, what about a X11 one?`
`07:09.48`	`streuner`	`Miesco: what for?`
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`07:10.57`	`Miesco`	`streuner: I dont know, maybe something for my camera or something. I was using F-Spot, but I saw a .exe and deleted it all lol`
`07:10.59`	`marked`	`I'm trying to load the genrtc kernel module instead of rtc. I added genrtc to /etc/modules, but rtc is still loaded on reboot. Can someone assist?`
`07:11.36`	`Miesco`	`streuner: gallery2 or gallery1?`
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`07:17.09`	`streuner`	`Miesco: i used only gallery1`
`07:18.02`	`tarzeau`	`Miesco: looks like gnu.ethz.ch/photos/`
`07:18.03`	`XoX`	`i have two scripts in /etc/crontab script1 && script2 , is see CRON started /usr/sbin/sendmail -i -FCronDaemon -oem root , despite the fact that the second script hasn't finished yet`
`07:18.05`	`XoX`	`http://pastebin.com/m5e4aadb2`
`07:18.08`	`XoX`	`why is that`
`07:19.27`	`streuner`	`Miesco: but read the description of gallery2 itself (apt-cache show gallery2) :-)`
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`07:21.30`	`Miesco`	`streuner: Can you send me a picture of your desktop`
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`07:24.03`	`mrAz`	`anybody knows about snd_hda_intel no sound issues ?`
`07:24.13`	`enouf`	`marked: did you blacklist rtc?`
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`07:24.33`	`enouf`	`!alsa checklist`
`07:24.33`	`dpkg`	alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
`07:25.51`	`mrAz`	`enouf: was that to me ? all 8 points works, but no sound from laptop.`
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`07:26.49`	`enouf`	`man speaker-test mrAz`
`07:27.05`	`enouf`	`try aplay`
`07:27.16`	`streuner`	`Miesco: http://weda.mine.nu/Bildschirmfoto.png`
`07:27.26`	`marked`	`enouf: what's the best way to do that? edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?`
`07:27.37`	`enouf`	`mrAz: /msg dpkg laptop`
`07:27.55`	`enouf`	`marked: yep`
`07:28.08`	`enouf`	`marked: /msg dpkg blacklist`
`07:29.54`	`marked`	`enouf: thanks. do you have any advice on how wise it is to load genrtc and no rtc?`
`07:30.18`	`Miesco`	`streuner: thanks`
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`07:36.34`	`scorche`	`hrm...well, i installed xbase-clients as told before, however when i am trying to invoke a program to use through x-forwarding (iceweasel in this case), i get "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"`
`07:36.56`	`joltcan`	`scorche: Via ssh?`
`07:37.00`	`scorche`	`yes`
`07:37.09`	`joltcan`	`scorche: do you use -X?`
`07:37.14`	`scorche`	`yup`
`07:37.23`	`joltcan`	`scorche: Is it allowed in the server config?`
`07:37.27`	`scorche`	`yup`
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`07:37.34`	`uzbek`	`hi everybody!`
`07:37.43`	`uzbek`	`my audio is not working`
`07:37.58`	`uzbek`	`im newbie, and im working in a VPS`
`07:38.06`	`uzbek`	`can anyone help me?`
`07:38.11`	`streuner`	`Miesco: that was the laptop - another picture of the box i already using - http://weda.mine.nu/2008-03-11-083557_1024x768_scrot.png`
`07:38.18`	`joltcan`	`scorche: so $DISPLAY is not set?`
`07:38.18`	`DawnLight`	`scorche: is xauth installed on the remote?`
`07:38.46`	`joltcan`	`scorche: And use -vvv and see some nice debugging from the ssh initiation, that usually shows the problem`
`07:39.06`	`DawnLight`	`scorche: use iceweasel -no-remote`
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`07:43.33`	`enouf`	`marked: not really, never looked into it`
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`07:45.14`	`cokegen`	`if I install linux-sources-2.6.18 those sources comes patched for the vmsplice bug ? I mean, I have installed linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 and I want to know if I need to apply that patch when compiling a custom kernel`
`07:45.34`	`scorche`	`ack...i didnt re-initiate the ssh connection after installing xauth...sorry...these things happen around bedtime =/`
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`07:47.27`	`enouf`	`cokegen: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html`
`07:47.54`	`scorche`	`thanks for all of your help`
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`07:49.32`	`cokegen`	`enouf: so the answer is yes then ? you get the latest patched kernel when you apt-get install linux-sources-2.6.18`
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`07:51.54`	`dimir`	`Morning!`
`07:51.57`	`enouf`	`cokegen: you should use apt-get source .. but yes, iinm`
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`07:52.31`	`cokegen`	`enouf: thx`
`07:53.24`	`enouf`	`cokegen: doh http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1/changelog`
`07:53.57`	`Miesco`	`Geez, doesn't gnome have a program similar to lphoto...`
`07:53.57`	`cokegen`	`nice ...`
`07:54.08`	`cokegen`	`it's just that I'm new to debian`
`07:54.29`	`cokegen`	`I'm starting to know the "debianisms"`
`07:55.39`	`cokegen`	`I'm reading the man page but I can't see the difference in using apt-get source`
`07:55.55`	`cokegen`	`can you give me some light on that ?`
`07:57.41`	`twobitsprite`	`it does things like unpack the tarball for you, iirc`
`07:57.51`	`twobitsprite`	`and I think it also drops it into your .`
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`07:58.14`	`eifzon`	`How do I change from etch to lenny?`
`07:58.20`	`twobitsprite`	`ohh... and it gets it from wherever you have set for your deb-src repo in your sources.list, instead of from your deb repos`
`07:58.25`	`streuner`	`if you have to ask, dont`
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`07:58.34`	`tarzeau`	`!etch->lenny`
`07:58.34`	`dpkg`	`First, see <apt-listbugs> and <release notes>, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade`
`07:58.37`	`twobitsprite`	`!upgrade`
`07:58.37`	`dpkg`	`somebody said upgrade was what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first`
`07:58.43`	`streuner`	`eifzon: /msg dpkg sid faq`
`07:58.58`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: the person wants testing, not sid`
`07:59.09`	`streuner`	`tarzeau: i know`
`07:59.32`	`streuner`	`tarzeau: read Sid FAQ, the problems and issues are basically the same...`
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`08:03.51`	`streuner`	`eifzon: there are also backports (/msg dpkg backports) for etch/stable...`
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`08:09.37`	`eifzon`	`If I wanna user reiserfs as filesystem type, chall I choose any mount options then?`
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`08:11.02`	`sep`	`eifzon, just make sure you have good and frequent backups`
`08:11.07`	`sep`	`!reiserfs`
`08:11.07`	`dpkg`	`well, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs>`
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`08:11.25`	`eifzon`	`sep: its a filesystem on a laptop`
`08:11.26`	`maelstrom`	`make sure you have good life insurance too`
`08:11.31`	`eifzon`	`maelstrom: lol?`
`08:11.41`	`eifzon`	`my friend have used reiserfs on his laptop for over 2 years now`
`08:11.44`	`eifzon`	`never a crash`
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`08:12.49`	`twobitsprite`	`I haven't had any problems with it either, but I have heard some horror stories.`
`08:12.51`	`sep`	`eifzon ofcourse there are exceptions. i have had 2 fs corruptions on reiserfs. but i have also a machine that did not crash, and still work. that does not mean i will try it again, since i have a few hundred that run ext3 and none of them ever had fs corruption.`
`08:12.55`	`twobitsprite`	`what's wrong with ext3?`
`08:13.17`	`eifzon`	`hoho`
`08:13.19`	`sep`	`also reiserfs is good on benchmarks but it degrades over time worse then ext3`
`08:13.22`	`maelstrom`	`i've heard some horror stories too`
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`08:13.23`	`eifzon`	`sep: cool`
`08:13.29`	`maelstrom`	`enough to give you the shivers`
`08:13.30`	`enouf`	`cokegen: install the apt howto, do /msg dpkg grounding - basically, using apt-get source looks for deb-src entries in your sources.list file, and can be used in various ways, but should be the same in your situation and example (i guess i was being a bit pedantic, sorry)`
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`08:14.28`	`enouf`	`cokegen: also, apt-get <option> source tells specific things for apt/dpkg and friends what to do with source`
`08:14.31`	`cokegen`	`nice, no problem man`
`08:15.05`	`sep`	`maelstrom, no :) just enoughf to learn you good backup routines`
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`08:16.01`	`sep`	`twobitsprite, ext3 vs reiserfs it's the same reason people climb cliffs and jump out of airplanes. reliable is not allways exciting enough :)`
`08:16.55`	`twobitsprite`	`sep: I've always thought of it more like those middle aged men who buy mustangs and drive real slow anyways`
`08:17.02`	`sep`	`hahaha :) yeah`
`08:17.12`	`twobitsprite`	`or like running gentoo`
`08:17.15`	`twobitsprite`	`:P`
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`08:19.39`	`sep`	`while we are on the topic of fs's anyone have opinion on good mkfs optins and mount optins for backuppc partitions ? aproximatly 12TB`
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`08:20.35`	`twobitsprite`	`noatime?`
`08:20.46`	`twobitsprite`	`er, noasync.... something like that`
`08:20.49`	`sep`	`i'v done the usual like bump up inodes significantly. and make with dir_index and yes mount with noatime :)`
`08:20.53`	`tarzeau`	`sep: ext2/ext3?`
`08:20.58`	`sep`	`ext3`
`08:21.18`	`tarzeau`	`sep: guess that's good, we do the same on our TBs`
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`08:22.17`	`sep`	`i also checked out what the "news" type was.- it did the same with inodes but it also modified the blocks-per-group value and i have no idea what effect that would have`
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`08:23.01`	`sep`	`so i didnt' use that since manpage say it was for developers and testcases`
`08:23.33`	`sep`	`tarzeau, thanks :) guess i'm good`
`08:24.59`	`techouse`	`what's the name of the thing that displaysyour cpu graph, memoy usage, disk usage on your desktop? conqui? or something like that*`
`08:25.00`	`techouse`	`?`
`08:25.11`	`tarzeau`	`techouse: xosview?`
`08:25.19`	`tarzeau`	`gkrellm?`
`08:25.22`	`techouse`	`hmm`
`08:25.23`	`twobitsprite`	`karamba?`
`08:25.27`	`tarzeau`	`there's many of them`
`08:25.30`	`techouse`	`ok`
`08:25.32`	`techouse`	`xD`
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`08:27.01`	`techouse`	`well karamba is for kde i use gnome :D`
`08:27.21`	`twobitsprite`	`that's your loss :P`
`08:27.53`	`sep`	`techouse, i like munin...`
`08:28.09`	`techouse`	`apt-cache search osxview returns nothing`
`08:28.11`	`techouse`	`:P`
`08:28.17`	`sep`	`it uses a webserver tho. and collect for many machines`
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`08:28.54`	`m_dige`	`I'm having trouble installing tp-smapi-modules in a debian-2.6.24 kernel`
`08:29.43`	`m_dige`	`I'm using module-assistant and I always get a linux-modules-2.6.24 not installed error. But linux-modules-2.6.24-xen-686 is installed. Any ideas ?`
`08:30.01`	`techouse`	`m_dige: m-a prepare`
`08:30.14`	`techouse`	`oh...is installed :P`
`08:30.18`	`techouse`	`dunno`
`08:30.21`	`poncha`	`guys... i have 10G ram in the machine and etch only sees 3.2G... why and what can i do?`
`08:30.26`	`techouse`	`maybe some pachage conflicts`
`08:30.38`	`techouse`	`poncha: install bigmem?`
`08:30.42`	`m_dige`	`techouse: already done. No errors and it sets linux-headers correctly`
`08:31.03`	`poncha`	`techouse, bigmem kernel ?`
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`08:31.07`	`techouse`	`yep`
`08:31.18`	`techouse`	`m_dige: dunno :(ž`
`08:31.21`	`fireba11`	`poncha: also, how you managed to get 10 gb ?`
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`08:31.31`	`poncha`	`fireba11, thats a server...`
`08:31.39`	`m_dige`	`techouse: okay. Thanks for trying`
`08:31.40`	`zeld`	`hi to all`
`08:31.42`	`zeld`	`: )`
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`08:31.46`	`poncha`	`server boards allow more mem than workstations :)`
`08:32.04`	`fireba11`	`poncha: no i mean how 10 .. usually it's 8 .. ot 16 then :-)`
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`08:32.12`	`zeld`	`i'get and error when my machine boot! hdb lost interrupt..`
`08:32.16`	`zeld`	`how i can solve this?`
`08:32.34`	`zeld`	`i've try to put on grub ide=poll pci=noapic`
`08:32.43`	`poncha`	`fireba11, oh, no, there were two chips of 1g originally and then it was extended by additional 8g ;)`
`08:32.46`	`zeld`	`and the machine going in kernel panic`
`08:33.05`	`techouse`	`tarzeau: which package has osxview?`
`08:33.20`	`fireba11`	`poncha : quite some upgrade :-)`
`08:33.27`	`poncha`	`yeah ;)`
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`08:33.30`	`streuner`	`!+tell techouse -about search`
`08:33.32`	`dpkg`	`told techouse about search.`
`08:34.13`	`techouse`	`streuner: uhm...yeah...like i don't know that :P`
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`08:35.47`	`eifzon`	`how do I set locales in deb`
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`08:36.33`	`streuner`	`!locales`
`08:36.33`	`dpkg`	Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
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`08:39.55`	`tarzeau`	`techouse: xosview`
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`08:43.10`	`techouse`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:43.16`	`techouse`	`is it in sid maybe?`
`08:43.40`	`eifzon`	`why do I get setting locale fail_?`
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`08:44.59`	`enouf`	`install locales pkg`
`08:45.02`	`twobitsprite`	`hmm a friend told me that ubuntu has better driver support then debian... I haven't had any problems, but is this true generally?`
`08:45.31`	`wam`	`Where/how can I find out if a SAS-RAID controller SC44Ge is supported by a vanilla kernel?`
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`08:47.05`	`maligor`	`twobitsprite, I doubt it is`
`08:47.41`	`tralala`	`twobitsprite, ubuntu probably has 5 drivers that are not included in debian`
`08:47.43`	`harpal`	`Hey I have one Linksys Wireless Broadband router, and when I try to open GUI than nothing shown on that page`
`08:48.00`	`maligor`	`it should mostly depend on the kernel version, which is linked to the release you use`
`08:48.17`	`twobitsprite`	`ok, that's what I thought`
`08:48.32`	`maligor`	`you can also always make your own kernels`
`08:48.34`	`tarzeau`	`techouse: xosview`
`08:48.54`	`techouse`	`oh...lol`
`08:49.00`	`techouse`	`i read OSXview`
`08:49.02`	`techouse`	`hahahahaha`
`08:49.06`	`techouse`	`ROFL`
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`08:52.01`	`m_dige`	`tarzeau: can you perhaps help with compiling modules for my 2.6.24 kernel ?`
`08:52.43`	`m_dige`	`I always receive an linux-modules-2.6.34 not installed error. But linux-modules-2.6.24-xen-686 is infact installed`
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`08:54.34`	`twobitsprite`	`looks like a version mismatch`
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`08:55.28`	`Kira__`	`hi all , how can i find out in console what usb devices are connected ? i am searching for the right path of my palm`
`08:55.51`	`m_dige`	`twobitsprite: okay. There are not other linux-modules packages right ?`
`08:55.58`	`DawnLight`	`Kira__: lsusb`
`08:56.11`	`twobitsprite`	`m_dige, not sure... its been a long time since I've built a kernel`
`08:56.18`	`DawnLight`	`Kira__: dmesg may help`
`08:56.31`	`twobitsprite`	`I'm just pointing out the obvious that the versions in the two packages you mention don't match`
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`08:56.42`	`m_dige`	`Kira__: og use dmesg. If it is a harddrive is usually writes which device to mount`
`08:57.14`	`m_dige`	`if it is harddrive then use fdisk to determine which partition to mount`
`08:57.26`	`Kira__`	`lsusb is cool but so idont know what path there is /dev/.... ?`
`08:57.47`	`enouf`	`try ls -l /dev/disk/by-path`
`08:58.11`	`eifzon`	`how do I get drivers for my ATI 9600?`
`08:58.12`	`enouf`	`dmesg, udevmonitor, cat /proc/partitions even might help`
`08:58.46`	`enouf`	`xorg has ati and radeon drivers`
`08:59.00`	`eifzon`	`enouf: I did install xorg`
`08:59.42`	`harpal`	`has any one idea about wireless router. I cant see GUI to configure it`
`09:00.52`	`DawnLight`	`!tell harpal about smart questions`
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`09:01.59`	`eifzon`	`enouf: how do I get it work then`
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`09:02.59`	`enouf`	`!drxx`
`09:02.59`	`dpkg`	`To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.`
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`09:05.20`	`enouf`	m_dige: what does readlink -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build say?
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`09:06.48`	`distatica`	`I have Apache and MySQL installed, but I do not always need them on. I would like to stop them from starting on system boot and just start them as needed. What is the best way to do this?`
`09:07.12`	`enouf`	`!rcconf`
`09:07.13`	`dpkg`	`"rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done`
`09:07.28`	`enouf`	`distatica: use that ^^^`
`09:07.32`	`distatica`	`thank you`
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`09:09.34`	`eifzon`	`Why do I get a failmessage when I try to install firefox? it says that the package is broen`
`09:09.37`	`m_dige`	`enouf: it says: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24`
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`09:09.52`	`fantomas1ka`	`How to clean resolver cache?`
`09:10.36`	`enouf`	`m_dige: pastebin the output of ls -l /usr/src/*`
`09:10.46`	`nevyn`	`fantomas1ka: there is no resolver cache.. unless you've installed one`
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`09:11.05`	`fantomas1ka`	`nevyn: how could I? :)`
`09:11.24`	`enouf`	`!iceweael`
`09:11.31`	`enouf`	`!iceweasel`
`09:11.31`	`dpkg`	`[iceweasel] the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.`
`09:11.33`	`fantomas1ka`	`nevyn: I do 'ping myhost.x' and see no attempts of my bind9 to visit any forwarders`
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`09:11.44`	`nevyn`	`oh.. you've installed bind`
`09:11.59`	`nevyn`	`bind works as a resolving cache ootb`
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`09:12.14`	`nevyn`	`restarting bind should flush it's local cache`
`09:12.43`	`m_dige`	`enouf: http://rafb.net/p/YGxE1t38.html`
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`09:12.47`	`fantomas1ka`	`hm, I did 'rndc flush' hoping it does work`
`09:14.12`	`enouf`	`m_dige: well, for module building you need atleast linux-headers-version, and you have neither source nor xen headers`
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`09:15.29`	`eifzon`	`when I try to start alsamixer I get this, I have installed alsa-utils too, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory`
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`09:16.53`	`theatro`	`eifzon, alsamixer -c 0 works?`
`09:16.59`	`enouf`	`m_dige: also, i se you're having an issue with the linux-modules-version pkg, but you were talking about using module-assistant (hence module building) you could just run "apt-get install -f" or use aptitude to try and resolve a broken installed pkg`
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`09:17.34`	`enouf`	`m_dige: pastebin output of dpkg -l linux-modules-*`
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`09:17.53`	`eifzon`	`no theatro`
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`09:18.00`	`eifzon`	`how did I add the sound group to my user?`
`09:18.13`	`theatro`	`audio group`
`09:18.33`	`enouf`	`run alsaconf`
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`09:18.58`	`enouf`	`do /msg dpkg alsa checklist`
`09:19.10`	`enouf`	`start using debian and not some offshooot`
`09:19.25`	`eifzon`	`now it worked enouf`
`09:19.35`	`DawnLight`	`!based on debian`
`09:19.35`	`dpkg`	`Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.`
`09:19.39`	`enouf`	`!prize me`
`09:20.07`	`eifzon`	`how could I disable pcspkr`
`09:20.17`	`DawnLight`	`eifzon: pull it out`
`09:20.17`	`enouf`	`!blacklist`
`09:20.17`	`dpkg`	`In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.`
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`09:20.57`	`theatro`	`!installer blacklist`
`09:20.57`	`dpkg`	`To blacklist a kernel module while installing Debian, use the following boot parameter: module_name.blacklist=yes . This will blacklist the module during installation and after the system is installed (/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local will be created).`
`09:21.07`	`eifzon`	`tthere shall bee another way to?`
`09:21.10`	`eifzon`	`like modprobe pcspkr ?`
`09:21.10`	`eifzon`	`or`
`09:21.21`	`enouf`	`modprobe -r pcspkr ; sudo sh -c 'echo "blacklist pcspkr" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist'`
`09:21.33`	`enouf`	`!bell`
`09:21.33`	`dpkg`	`[bell] "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell`
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`09:22.23`	`m_dige`	`enouf: I am not using xen. But It was the only linux-modules package I could find`
`09:23.38`	`enouf`	`m_dige: i'm not following, please remind me what your original issue is`
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`09:24.16`	`m_dige`	`enouf: http://rafb.net/p/tmPvc481.html`
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`09:25.03`	`m_dige`	`enouf: okay. It have troubles using module-assistant to install tp-smapi module in a 2.6.24 kernel`
`09:25.08`	`enouf`	`m_dige: so, if you're not using Xen, why do you have or need ii linux-modules-2.6.24-1-xen-686 ??`
`09:25.31`	`enouf`	`m_dige: where's that module from?`
`09:25.41`	`m_dige`	`enouf: It is the only linux-modules package I have available in aptitude`
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`09:25.52`	`dutchfish`	`is there already a e2fsprogs debian package with the ext4 patchset from kernel.org or out of the git (pu-branche), or do i need to build it myself?`
`09:26.27`	`enouf`	`m_dige: your kernel should have that module already (the debian pkgs "linux-image-version" all contain all modules)`
`09:26.34`	`enouf`	`well, almost all, but`
`09:26.41`	`m_dige`	`enouf: the module source is in the package tp-smapi-source`
`09:26.50`	`DawnLight`	`ext4?`
`09:27.07`	`m_dige`	`enouf: I am using a custom 2.6.24 debian kernel`
`09:27.09`	`dutchfish`	`DawnLight, yes, http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto`
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`09:27.58`	`enouf`	`m_dige: so, go into config, and tick that item to =m and make it a module, rebuild. install. done - maybe you want to run depmod`
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`09:28.58`	`schwarzebrettdot`	`hello`
`09:29.26`	`m_dige`	`but tp-smapi is not part of the kernel. It is an out-our-tree module I belive.`
`09:29.28`	`enouf`	`m_dige: erm, "depmod -a" i mean`
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`09:29.37`	`enouf`	`oh .. hehe`
`09:29.39`	`schwarzebrettdot`	`is there an app that with which i can create such images --> http://www.williamshottsphotography.com/photos/15194880_kXngt-Ti.jpg`
`09:29.40`	`enouf`	`nice one`
`09:29.52`	`schwarzebrettdot`	`other than The Gimp`
`09:30.07`	`enouf`	`m_dige: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-out-of-tree`
`09:30.13`	`schwarzebrettdot`	`i rather use the Commandline`
`09:30.22`	`Cayn`	`schwarzebrettdot: That's not a debian related question at all`
`09:30.45`	`schwarzebrettdot`	`well i am looking for a Debian App to manipulate images`
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`09:32.08`	`enouf`	`m_dige: did you ever run dpkg -i /usr/src/tp-smapi-modules-2.6.24_0.36-2_i386.deb ?`
`09:32.09`	`m_dige`	enouf: apt-get install linux-header-`uname -r`-686 yield: Can't find
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`09:32.28`	`ctp_`	`hi folks. anyone here can take a look at this output: http://rafb.net/p/cEMD9F28.html ? what is going wrong there?`
`09:32.37`	`m_dige`	`enouf: I though module-assistant did all that for me`
`09:32.48`	`sep`	`schwarzebrettdot, imagemagic perhaps ? gd perhaps ?`
`09:33.05`	`enouf`	m_dige: the command would be; apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` .. but since you have source, i doubt you need headers - and it might even be bad
`09:33.25`	`eifzon`	`How can I get my kde desktop to look like this? I mean how to show the system properties?`
`09:33.29`	`eifzon`	`http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/72591-1.jpg`
`09:33.30`	`m_dige`	`enouf: sorry for my noobish questions. Debian is new to me:)`
`09:33.31`	`eifzon`	`like that pic`
`09:33.43`	`schwarzebrettdot`	Thanx sep ;) i`ll take a look
`09:33.46`	`enouf`	`m_dige: dpkg -l tp-smapi-*`
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`09:34.34`	`m_dige`	`enouf: http://rafb.net/p/oX8PCt58.html`
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`09:35.18`	`enouf`	`m_dige: not installed, install it`
`09:35.30`	`m_dige`	`enouf: I have read the manual and understod it like: if your going to compile out-of-tree modules you need linux-headers additionally`
`09:35.58`	`m_dige`	`enouf: But installing via module-assistant fails`
`09:36.11`	`enouf`	`m_dige: dpkg -i it`
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`09:36.39`	`Legality`	`hi, any ideas what this is the symptom of: load average: 0.22, 8.65, 33.19`
`09:36.50`	`Legality`	`first processes can be prosessed quickly`
`09:37.12`	`m_dige`	`enouf: dpkg gives me the same error`
`09:37.21`	`enouf`	`show mw`
`09:37.23`	`enouf`	`me`
`09:38.09`	`m_dige`	`enouf: http://rafb.net/p/dOQ6it46.html`
`09:38.10`	`enouf`	`m_dige: and apt-get --purge remove linux-modules-2.6.24-1-xen-686`
`09:38.39`	`m_dige`	`enouf: sorry the paste is in danish. Does it make sense. Otherwise I'll translate it`
`09:38.53`	`enouf`	`m_dige: LANG=C dpkg -i /usr/src/tp-smapi-modules-2.6.24_0.36-2_i386.deb`
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`09:40.42`	`m_dige`	`enouf: http://rafb.net/p/bb9XF045.html`
`09:40.55`	`Legality`	`48-94-0/0/142. 76.0685700.00.001.19 ::1hostnameGET / HTTP/1.0`
`09:41.15`	`m_dige`	`enouf: I can't purge linux-modules-1-xen-686`
`09:41.16`	`Legality`	`CPU usage of 76, I've got a couple of these GET commands running that take this much of CPU`
`09:41.24`	`m_dige`	`enouf: I'll try to remove using aptitude`
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`09:42.25`	`enouf`	`m_dige: dude, did you make your kernel using make-kpkg?`
`09:43.05`	`enouf`	`m_dige: and did you use Debian sources? or Vanilla?`
`09:43.10`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, did you check your logs and free disk space?`
`09:43.17`	`m_dige`	`enouf: No I didn't. I prefer using make menuconfig, make && make modules_install and setting up grub up my self. I used the Debian sources`
`09:43.30`	`m_dige`	`enouf: from the linux-source package`
`09:43.39`	`enouf`	`m_dige: well, no wonder why`
`09:43.40`	`Legality`	`dutchfish:I couldn't see any probs in logs, also hdd is only 35% full`
`09:43.53`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Okay. I screwed it up ?`
`09:44.23`	`enouf`	`m_dige: build your kernel wirh make-kpkg, make a .deb and install it /msg dpkg kp mantra`
`09:44.42`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, can you provide more info of the system like kernel, wich debian, memory?`
`09:45.13`	`eifzon`	`Any goot wireless assistant for debian/kde?`
`09:45.27`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Okay. I'll do that. But should it not be working in the regular "linux" way ? With make ?`
`09:45.35`	`techouse`	`i got a problem`
`09:45.39`	`techouse`	`wam: Failed to fetch http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release Unable to find expected entry contib/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)`
`09:45.40`	`techouse`	`et: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.`
`09:45.50`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: Mem: 2076012 1991116 84896, 2.6.18-5-686-bigmem, debian etch`
`09:45.58`	`enouf`	`m_dige: there's dependency issues you're not resolving by doing it your way`
`09:46.10`	`maligor`	`eifzon, doesn't network manager have a kde tray applet`
`09:46.19`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, i386?`
`09:46.25`	`enouf`	`m_dige: look at line 6`
`09:46.28`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, yes`
`09:46.42`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: should be 64bit`
`09:46.46`	`Legality`	`686`
`09:47.10`	`enouf`	`m_dige: see depends on linux-modules-2.6.24 \| linux-image-2.6.24; however: <-- either/or, once you use make-kpkg, you will have a "linux-image-2.6.24"`
`09:47.38`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, 1 thing i know of is that 2.6.18-5 has security issues, you should upgrade to 2.6.18-6`
`09:47.48`	`enouf`	`m_dige: maybe there is another way, but that's my best guess`
`09:48.00`	`Legality`	`ok, one thing that crossed my mind, is it possible to kill the GET commands?`
`09:48.13`	`Legality`	`their pid is 0/0/142`
`09:48.23`	`Legality`	`or that's one example`
`09:48.24`	`m_dige`	`enouf: One of the reason for doing it using make is that I don't want initrd as part of the boot process.`
`09:48.58`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, you can do that (apart from the fact that you need to manually clean up the partial downloaded file`
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`09:49.00`	`XoX`	`hi`
`09:49.15`	`m_dige`	`enouf: I'll try making the kernel the debian way and will report back. Thank you very much helping me out`
`09:49.26`	`XoX`	`how to search through all the installed packages that have a Tag of admin::monitoring ?`
`09:49.36`	`enouf`	`m_dige: the kp mantra tells you how you do not need that, and what to do if you want one`
`09:49.49`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: the system is downloading some file with GET atm eh?`
`09:49.51`	`Legality`	`hmmh...`
`09:50.08`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, get or wget?`
`09:50.12`	`Legality`	`isn't it apache based then?`
`09:50.12`	`Legality`	`get`
`09:50.19`	`Legality`	`GET / HTTP/1.0`
`09:50.22`	`enouf`	`m_dige: so long as you make menuconfig and have all your support built in needed to boot, you can skip the --initrd option`
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`09:50.48`	`Legality`	`there are 4 GETs running with over CPU over 50`
`09:50.48`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, yes you can kill that process`
`09:50.48`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Okay. Thanks again mate`
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`09:50.54`	`enouf`	`np`
`09:50.59`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: normally the CPU is about 0-2`
`09:51.11`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, why they dont use wget?`
`09:51.32`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, doesnt sound straight`
`09:51.33`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: it's a server that offers free hosting, basicly just a hoppy`
`09:51.39`	`Legality`	`hobby*`
`09:51.41`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, ok`
`09:51.58`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: how can I find out the pid to kill?`
`09:52.06`	`enouf`	`m_dige: "/msg dpkg make-kpkg" ..and install build-essential if not already done (which i would think it is)`
`09:52.11`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, ps auxww \| grep get`
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`09:52.24`	`Legality`	`wait a sec`
`09:52.24`	`enouf`	`m_dige: to ensure you have kernel-package and fakeroot and everything else needed`
`09:52.27`	`m_dige`	`enouf: It is already installed as you expected:)`
`09:52.29`	`Legality`	`load averages are dropping`
`09:52.34`	`enouf`	`ok ;-)`
`09:53.02`	`Legality`	`yea, load averages are dropping atm`
`09:53.13`	`Legality`	`hmm.. what in earth could it be getting trough get`
`09:53.21`	`Legality`	`that was a massive file that it downloaded`
`09:53.32`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, still i advise to upgrade your kernel to 2.6.18-6 if it is connected to the outside`
`09:54.17`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: yea, but this is obviously an apache issue righty?`
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`09:54.47`	`enouf`	`m_dige: look out for one thing; i just recalled the "kp mantra" will likely give you a personalized linux-image-version-APPENDED-name .. so not sure how this is all going to work out`
`09:55.14`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, maybe, delve into your apache2 logs`
`09:55.31`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, and check cross-site-scripting issues`
`09:55.43`	`enouf`	`m_dige: when you d/l the sources for your module, did you also d/l any needed build-deps? i would think so, otherwise it wouldn't have built`
`09:56.19`	`dutchfish`	`dutchfish, also you can config apache2 to limit filesizes easely`
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`09:56.31`	`m_dige`	`enouf: okay. I'll look out with kp mantra. I installed tp-smapi-source using aptitude so yes all dependencies where installed I belive`
`09:56.45`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, also you can config apache2 to limit filesizes easely`
`09:56.52`	`enouf`	`m_dige: are you on Etch?`
`09:57.09`	`enouf`	`m_dige: here's my results of pkg search http://pastebin.ca/raw/937954`
`09:57.17`	`enouf`	`m_dige: i'm on a lenny/sid mix`
`09:57.21`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Yes i'm on etch. But using unstable for kernels`
`09:57.39`	`m_dige`	`enouf: same here. I use pinning to get the linux-source package`
`09:57.46`	`m_dige`	`enouf: in 2.6.24`
`09:57.54`	`enouf`	`m_dige: well, .. hehe, you could just go grab the needed pkg depends, they DO exist`
`09:58.00`	`enouf`	`and dpkg -i it`
`09:58.28`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Ahh okay. Well I'm no expert yet with Debian:)`
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`09:59.06`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: do ya mean php.ini or are there some limits in apache, too?`
`09:59.12`	`enouf`	`m_dige: well, i'm wandering about trying to understand how you got to where you are too ;-)`
`09:59.17`	`enouf`	`m_dige: go here http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-modules-2.6.24-1-xen-686`
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`09:59.20`	`enouf`	`bah`
`09:59.24`	`enouf`	`ignore`
`09:59.30`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, /etc/apache2 and yes apache2 has many manpages`
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`10:00.19`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Well what I did: I always use aptitude and used that to install linux-source-2.6.24`
`10:00.19`	`Legality`	`ok`
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`10:00.40`	`enouf`	`m_dige: oh ... heh, i guess no plain jane "linux-modules-2.6.24" exists, so back to square one`
`10:01.04`	`m_dige`	`enouf: then I used make menuconfig to make a custom kernel. And the executed "make && make modules_install" which I'm used to from Gentoo`
`10:01.24`	`enouf`	`m_dige: i guess you could install the linux-IMAGE-version, just don;t use it ;-)`
`10:01.25`	`eifzon`	`Why do I get packages fail when I try to download like filezilla or kdmtheme`
`10:01.34`	`eifzon`	`I had debian lenny first then switched to etch`
`10:01.41`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Then I copied the compiled bzImage to /boot/kernelname and made the necessary corrections to menu.lst in grub`
`10:01.57`	`enouf`	`m_dige: i'm no pro with out-of-tree modules :-p`
`10:02.04`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: quick check... root 2883 0.0 0.0 1572 412 tty6 Ss+ Feb18 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6`
`10:02.08`	`enouf`	`i understand all that`
`10:02.15`	`Legality`	`There's CPU/MEM is basicly 0 right?`
`10:02.27`	`m_dige`	`enouf: No so far I haven't been able to find a plain linux-modules-2.6.2 package`
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`10:02.31`	`enouf`	`i'm thinking you will resolve a missing dependency that dpkg wants by using make-kpkg`
`10:02.36`	`Legality`	`oh, i could actually check the man :> I guess the explinations are there`
`10:02.38`	`et`	`techouse: erm?`
`10:02.51`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, http://agaricdesign.com/maximum-upload-size-in-php-and-apache`
`10:02.54`	`m_dige`	`enouf: It is worth a shot:)`
`10:03.18`	`enouf`	`m_dige: the make-kpkg is just for debian packaging, nothing to do with compile options, though you can tell mke-kpkg what aspects to make for the resulting .deb`
`10:03.26`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, thats not apache -- ps auxww \| grep apache`
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`10:04.18`	`enouf`	`m_dige: you DID copy over System.map too yes?`
`10:04.31`	`enouf`	`m_dige: and did you ever run "depmod -a"?`
`10:04.48`	`m_dige`	`enouf: No I did'nt. That has never been necessary i gentoo`
`10:04.48`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: I see no processes taking too much of CPU/MEM anymore,,, but I have hard time understanding the columns, there are no explinations`
`10:04.57`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: for example which is the CPU usage etc`
`10:05.02`	`m_dige`	`enouf: and no depmod -a`
`10:05.12`	`enouf`	`m_dige: well, system.map is needed for modules, afaik`
`10:05.18`	`m_dige`	`enouf: just make && make modules_install`
`10:05.24`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, use top for a quick peak and delve into its features (man top)`
`10:05.51`	`Legality`	`oh,, I will check the man, are the columns same as in top?`
`10:05.55`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Okay. That was not the case with gentoo. But I'll copy that one over as well`
`10:05.59`	`enouf`	`m_dige: well, put (cp) your system.map in /boot, and run depmod -a`
`10:06.08`	`Legality`	`pretty much at least`
`10:06.11`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, man ps`
`10:06.16`	`m_dige`	`enouf: okay`
`10:06.40`	`Legality`	`dutchfish: the link you provided was just to limit php?`
`10:06.52`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, yes and apache2 too`
`10:06.53`	`Legality`	`in php.ini/htaccess`
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`10:06.57`	`Legality`	`ok`
`10:07.12`	`m_dige`	`enouf: what is the point of fakeroot actually. When compiling a kernel I'm always root anyway`
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`10:07.32`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Or am I missing something about fakeroot ?`
`10:07.41`	`enouf`	`m_dige: and just a disclaimer, i'm no kernel building pro either - there are many around here who are much better at this than i, so just in case, don't get discouraged ;-)`
`10:07.44`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, if you are serious kearning apache2 look at one of the oreillys like the definitive guide apache2`
`10:07.57`	`dutchfish`	`Legality, kearning = learning`
`10:08.01`	`enouf`	`m_dige: no need for root at all, until install time`
`10:08.02`	`Legality`	`ok`
`10:08.30`	`xingu`	`m_dige: the one time that a broken makefile hoses /usr on you, you'll wish you'd been using fakeroot.`
`10:08.30`	`enouf`	`m_dige: i guess fakeroot overcomes any requirements for priv access to certain things during build time`
`10:08.33`	`reza_20`	`salam`
`10:09.07`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Well you are much better at this than I am I think. But yes I have been warned:)`
`10:09.29`	`enouf`	`m_dige: one of those i mentioned is responding to you atm ;-)`
`10:09.57`	`reza_20`	`saaalaaaaammmmmm`
`10:10.05`	`enouf`	`bologna`
`10:10.14`	`dutchfish`	`is there already a e2fsprogs debian package with the ext4 patchset from kernel.org or out of the git (pu-branche), or do i need to build it myself?`
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`10:10.42`	`enouf`	`dutchfish: i doubt it, but i dont know for sure`
`10:10.55`	`masus`	`hi , how to free the memory ... thanks`
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`10:11.06`	`dutchfish`	`enouf, ok, google doesnt spit out something`
`10:11.18`	`enouf`	`masus: if you pull out the DIMM it'll be Free ;-)`
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`10:11.51`	`reza_20`	`iran`
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`10:12.31`	`m_dige`	`enouf: reza_20 ?`
`10:12.47`	`reza_20`	`m-dige?`
`10:13.23`	`enouf`	`m_dige: use /ig .. it's bliss ;-)`
`10:13.25`	`masus`	`enouf: :)`
`10:13.41`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Okay. Thanks`
`10:14.06`	`enouf`	`np`
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`10:14.08`	`drakode`	`hello`
`10:14.10`	`omnil`	`masus: run top, find memory hogs, kill 'em`
`10:14.22`	`drakode`	`for install full kde desktop is apt-get install kde?`
`10:14.29`	`enouf`	`masus: htop is nice too`
`10:14.37`	`masus`	`ok thanks`
`10:14.39`	`masus`	`all`
`10:14.44`	`enouf`	`drakode: /msg dpkg install kde`
`10:14.53`	`m_dige`	`enouf: use /ig I don't understand`
`10:15.07`	`enouf`	`m_dige: it means use /ignore in your irc client ;-)`
`10:15.18`	`drakode`	`enouf: for what?`
`10:15.21`	`enouf`	`m_dige: you can ignore certain people ;-)`
`10:15.31`	`enouf`	`drakode: ?`
`10:15.44`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Okay. Well I learn something new every day`
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`10:19.50`	`PrinceAMD`	`hi usb drive failed to boot it's in initramfs console at the memonet is there any way i can get it to load from here?`
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`10:31.03`	`E-bola`	`11:16:27 up 41 days, 17:37, 2 users, load average: 1022,20, 884,66, 928,71`
`10:31.10`	`E-bola`	`Can anybody help me locate the reason for this insane load?`
`10:31.55`	`maligor`	`users?`
`10:32.10`	`Mantaar`	`that's. Astonishing. The highest I've seen so far was 400 (on kernel.org's server). What's the machine supposed to do. ps aux?`
`10:32.24`	`E-bola`	`its an app server running a java app`
`10:32.30`	`E-bola`	`the weird thing is its working fine and responds fast`
`10:32.35`	`E-bola`	`and cpu is below 10% utilised`
`10:32.38`	`E-bola`	`debian etch`
`10:32.51`	`maligor`	`try top with sorted to processor use?`
`10:32.53`	`E-bola`	`How can i find the reason for the high load?`
`10:33.09`	`Mantaar`	`... so you mean the kernel is not computing its load correctly?`
`10:33.13`	`maligor`	`shift-p sorts to cpu use I think`
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`10:33.34`	`E-bola`	`there is no process using cpu much`
`10:33.36`	`E-bola`	`as i said below 10%`
`10:33.45`	`E-bola`	`Mantaar: that could be 1 explanation`
`10:33.46`	`themill`	`thrashing?`
`10:33.53`	`E-bola`	`i suspect the UPS service a bit`
`10:33.57`	`E-bola`	`i had problems with that before`
`10:34.10`	`E-bola`	`but what ir eally wanna know is how can i pinpoint whats causing this load?`
`10:34.20`	`E-bola`	`i onyl know htop/top and iostat`
`10:34.22`	`themill`	`hidden processes?`
`10:34.25`	`E-bola`	`and those tools doesnt help me`
`10:34.34`	`m_dige`	`enouf: Okay. i used the debian tools make-kpgk and dpkg -i the linux-image create`
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`10:34.47`	`E-bola`	`themill: well would the machine be slow then?`
`10:34.51`	`E-bola`	`wouldnt even`
`10:34.58`	`m_dige`	`enouf: created. I should still copy system.map and run dep -a`
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`10:35.21`	`Mantaar`	`well. If you're able to actually DO anything on that machine, I suspect there's a bug somewhere. A machine with that high a load shouldn't be even responding in less than 5 minutes.`
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`10:35.56`	`E-bola`	`Mantaar: it responds like there is no load at all`
`10:36.08`	`Mantaar`	`there you have it. Bug.`
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`10:36.14`	`E-bola`	`Is that possible?`
`10:36.20`	`maligor`	`ofcourse it's possible`
`10:36.22`	`Mantaar`	`why sure. Nobody's perfect.`
`10:36.28`	`E-bola`	`hmmm never haes about that before`
`10:36.31`	`E-bola`	`heard even`
`10:36.47`	`E-bola`	`i woudl thinkt he kernel's "load" function was quite extremely well tested`
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`10:36.50`	`Blackhold`	`hello`
`10:36.54`	`Mantaar`	`me neither. But it would contradict everything I know...`
`10:37.04`	`Blackhold`	`I have a partition in lvm and would like to mount it`
`10:37.05`	`E-bola`	`hmm its dropping now`
`10:37.06`	`Blackhold`	`but I can't`
`10:37.07`	`E-bola`	`down to 500`
`10:37.17`	`Blackhold`	`could someone give me some help please?`
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`10:37.32`	`TmRx__`	`hoi`
`10:37.32`	`Mantaar`	`E-bola: you might try sending a mail to some more kernel-oriented place.`
`10:37.36`	`Blackhold`	`I tried to mount it with mdadm but it says me that partition is in use, but it isn't`
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`10:37.48`	`sadmin`	`hi all`
`10:37.51`	`Mantaar`	`I think there's a debian-kernel ml.`
`10:37.55`	`sadmin`	`how i recover my partition`
`10:38.03`	`sadmin`	`file syetem shows me BBT`
`10:38.07`	`sadmin`	`thats odd`
`10:38.07`	`Mantaar`	Blackhold: what's the output of `mount'?
`10:38.17`	`sadmin`	`i hace reiserfs`
`10:38.21`	`sadmin`	`i need my data`
`10:38.27`	`maligor`	`bbt?`
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`10:38.52`	`Trewas`	`high load but still responsive computer is not that rare, for example each process waiting for I/O adds 1 to the load (and hanging NFS-server for example can easily casuse many processes to wait)`
`10:39.10`	`sadmin`	`/dev/hda6 ? 3380 3380 2147483647+ ff BBT`
`10:39.21`	`sadmin`	`n this is my partition where i have data`
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`10:39.56`	`E-bola`	`Trewas: how can i see which process is waiting for io?`
`10:40.20`	`sadmin`	`n this is my partition where i have data`
`10:40.28`	`sadmin`	`any idea how to recover`
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`10:41.00`	`Trewas`	`E-bola: process is in D-state`
`10:41.49`	`maligor`	`sadmin, what program is that output from? fdisk?`
`10:41.56`	`E-bola`	`Trewas: thats the stat coloum in ps right?`
`10:42.06`	`Trewas`	`E-bola: yes`
`10:42.17`	`sep`	`nscd keeps remembering outdated information how can i make it forget ? i have restarted it several times. and checked with ps that it's truly not running inbetween stop and start.`
`10:42.18`	`maligor`	`sadmin, also would help to know what happened`
`10:42.22`	`E-bola`	`hmm no D states there`
`10:42.32`	`maligor`	`sadmin, since that looks like a corrupted partition table`
`10:43.10`	`E-bola`	`root 2627 0.0 0.1 36788 1064 ? Dsl Jan29 15:07 /sbin/apcupsd`
`10:43.16`	`E-bola`	`bingo it keeps being in and out of D state`
`10:43.18`	`enouf`	`m_dige: how's it going?`
`10:43.22`	`sadmin`	`when i do fisk -l /dev/hda`
`10:43.23`	`Blackhold`	`Mantaar: # mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l1 -n2 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb`
`10:43.24`	`Blackhold`	`mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda2: Device or resource busy`
`10:43.24`	`Blackhold`	`mdadm: create aborted`
`10:43.24`	`sadmin`	`my disk`
`10:43.36`	`sadmin`	`yes exactly`
`10:43.39`	`E-bola`	`Trewas: coudl that be it?`
`10:43.42`	`Blackhold`	`but /dev/sda2 is not mounted!`
`10:43.45`	`enouf`	`m_dige: i think dpkg -i your.deb will auto-install System.map into /boot`
`10:43.47`	`sadmin`	`corrupted partition how i recover my data`
`10:43.55`	`sadmin`	`ill format my disk once i got my data`
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`10:44.06`	`Trewas`	`E-bola: one process in D-state should not cause that high load... probably something else`
`10:44.17`	`maligor`	`sadmin, only the reiserfs is corrupted?`
`10:44.23`	`maligor`	`sadmin, or does the disk only have reiser?`
`10:44.56`	`maligor`	`testdisk can fix broken partition tables, but it won't fix filesystems`
`10:45.32`	`sadmin`	`well 2 partitions`
`10:45.36`	`sadmin`	`2 are windows`
`10:45.37`	`sep`	`sadmin, if you used reiser and got a fs crach i think your safest bet is restore from backup`
`10:45.43`	`sadmin`	`i mount them i get my data back`
`10:45.51`	`sadmin`	`but reiserfs wont mount`
`10:46.10`	`maligor`	`themill, yeah, it ate my data once too, parts of it anyway`
`10:46.12`	`sadmin`	`i wont have backup man`
`10:46.16`	`sadmin`	`thats the prb`
`10:46.28`	`sep`	`sadmin, make a dd duplicate of your disk before trying reiser ercovery tools. they "seam to work" but often make things much worse then they are`
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`10:46.44`	`enouf`	`wth heck is ff and bbt?`
`10:46.54`	`sadmin`	`i do have`
`10:46.55`	`maligor`	`enouf, partition id and name`
`10:47.04`	`maligor`	`the partition id is clearly fubared`
`10:47.10`	`sep`	`sadmin, if you run reiserfs without backups you realy only have yourself to blame..`
`10:47.13`	`enouf`	`maligor: i know whate the placeholders are for`
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`10:47.35`	`sadmin`	`thats by mistake`
`10:47.40`	`sadmin`	`now i have to recover`
`10:47.42`	`sadmin`	`plz help`
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`10:48.32`	`windvogel`	`Hallo @ all!`
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`10:48.44`	`maligor`	`sadmin, how did it get corrupted?`
`10:48.50`	`enouf`	`that;s 2.14 TB?`
`10:48.52`	`chantra`	`streuner: I wonder where you go that wallpaper? http://weda.mine.nu/Bildschirmfoto.png`
`10:48.58`	`maligor`	`since I just find it really weird that the partition id would change`
`10:49.01`	`sep`	`sadmin, the 2 times i have tried to recover reiserfs it ate all the blocks on my files but the first ones. it seamed to work,. files was theree but they was mostly garbage in them. so i dont think i should help you (since i never managed to do it successfully myself)`
`10:49.15`	`enouf`	`well, obviously it's RAID or LVM`
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`10:50.42`	`Esaj`	`how do I check for character-by-character differences (as opposed to line-by-line) between two files?`
`10:50.44`	`sep`	`sadmin, perhaps the reiserfs mailinglist would be the best place to get the most knowledgeable people to help you`
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`10:52.05`	`sadmin`	`sep wht u did`
`10:52.11`	`maligor`	`sadmin, is the partition size really 2.14TB?`
`10:52.13`	`sadmin`	`hey i just find a script`
`10:52.19`	`sadmin`	`no no`
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`10:52.23`	`sadmin`	`its 40Gb disk`
`10:52.28`	`maligor`	`then you should fix your partition table first`
`10:52.30`	`enouf`	`i mean, for all anyone knows it could be dmraid, and/or a motherboard fakeraid`
`10:52.45`	`sadmin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:52.50`	`sadmin`	`let see what happens`
`10:53.00`	`maligor`	`testdisk can recover that stuff also`
`10:53.10`	`enouf`	`man resierfsck`
`10:53.12`	`sep`	`Esaj, you can try docdiff ?`
`10:53.20`	`maligor`	`it's what I used when I accidentally copied a file over the ext3 superblock`
`10:53.20`	`enouf`	`er man reiserfsck`
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`10:53.47`	`maligor`	`(and don't ask how that can happen) :P`
`10:54.56`	`maligor`	`sadmin, but as I said, it'd be helpful to know what you exactly did to cause that`
`10:55.15`	`maligor`	`testdisk will fix it if it's just the partition table`
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`10:55.30`	`maligor`	`but it's not magic`
`10:55.42`	`maligor`	`it'll only find filesystems that are still intact`
`10:55.52`	`enouf`	`!8ball magic`
`10:55.53`	`dpkg`	`Negative.`
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`10:56.50`	`sadmin`	`well i just delete partition and run reiserfsck --rebuild`
`10:56.54`	`sep`	`sadmin, you should realy do a dd duplication of your disk before running those tools.`
`10:56.58`	`sadmin`	`it will make partition BBT`
`10:57.03`	`sadmin`	`thats wrong`
`10:57.10`	`sadmin`	`i did`
`10:57.11`	`themill`	`Esaj: many of the visual diff tools can do that -- kdiff3 does that very nicely, for example.`
`10:57.17`	`sadmin`	`dd my whole disk u ysb`
`10:57.19`	`sadmin`	`usb`
`10:58.34`	`reza_20`	`kiiiiirrrrrr`
`10:58.57`	`enouf`	`<sadmin> well i just delete partition and run reiserfsck --rebuild <-- is that what caused this scenario?`
`10:59.31`	`sep`	`nobody knows how i can make nscd forget :: nscd keeps remembering outdated information I have restarted it several times. and checked with ps that it's truly not running inbetween stop and start.`
`11:00.02`	`sadmin`	`yes`
`11:00.07`	`sadmin`	`enouf`
`11:00.14`	`sep`	`dns gives correct information. but with nscd running it keeps insisting on the old address. with nscd off it works. starts nscd again it's wrong address again...`
`11:00.42`	`enouf`	`Esaj: perhaps comm and cmp? i mean, you can also md5 each file and compare to see if they match, or ..`
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`11:01.05`	`sadmin`	`http://pastebin.com/m227d2f00`
`11:01.10`	`sadmin`	`my partitions`
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`11:01.57`	`enouf`	`!nscd`
`11:01.58`	`dpkg`	`nscd is, like, Name Service Cache Daemon`
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`11:02.29`	`Esaj`	`enouf, no worries, kdiff3 worked in the end`
`11:02.46`	`Esaj`	`enouf, I had a large one-line file, which only differed in one place`
`11:02.50`	`enouf`	`there is a diff3 as well, but cool`
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`11:03.09`	`kArTaLiZmA`	`Hi.`
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`11:04.14`	`enouf`	`ahh cmp seems good for byte to byte comparison`
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`11:07.19`	`*** part/#debian apgjfhvdzx (n=fiaz@bos94-1-81-57-148-229.fbx.proxad.net)`
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`11:07.39`	`Getty`	`ah no need for bans, the best spammer, they remove themself`
`11:08.03`	`liable`	`this time, prolly testing`
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`11:09.08`	`Haris1`	`I don't understand the need for spamming :\|`
`11:09.31`	`xingu`	`it's art dahling`
`11:09.39`	`xingu`	`you're not supposed to understand`
`11:10.22`	`Asmooh`	`omg`
`11:10.35`	`fantomas1ka`	`someone had farted`
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`11:11.29`	`xingu`	`one of these days I'll get bored enough to start up a new company to sell an electronic auto-bung to the access providers`
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`11:12.29`	`Legality`	`hi, quick check`
`11:12.34`	`xingu`	`bit of fourier-transform gee-whiz, deep inspection, low latency state propagation across POP's - too easy.`
`11:12.53`	`Legality`	`if I want to run a cron every 10 minutes, is the right time format this- /10 * * * ?`
`11:13.03`	`xingu`	`could use the same kit to inject adds into xhtml on the fly too, that might incentivise them`
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`11:15.19`	`alex_morelli`	`hi all`
`11:15.24`	`flyingparchment`	`what package is the 32-bit mysql client libraries in?`
`11:15.47`	`alex_morelli`	`is this the right chan to ask for a help using cdbs?`
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`11:15.52`	`DexterF`	`hi`
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`11:16.47`	`themill`	`alex_morelli: you can ask here, but more likely #debian-mentors on oftc /msg dpkg mentors`
`11:16.47`	`DawnLight`	`alex_morelli: whats that`
`11:16.55`	`DawnLight`	`ah`
`11:17.00`	`themill`	`!info cdbs`
`11:17.03`	`dpkg`	`cdbs: (common build system for Debian packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.4.51 (sid), Packaged size: 897 kB, Installed size: 1260 kB`
`11:17.08`	`themill`	`DawnLight: ^^`
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`11:17.49`	`alex_morelli`	`I'm trying to package in a deb an extension library for qt`
`11:18.05`	`alex_morelli`	`an I would like to do a fine job...so:`
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`11:18.31`	`alex_morelli`	`I need to produce a runtime package, a develop package and a debug package`
`11:18.46`	`alex_morelli`	`the library itself is built using qmake & make`
`11:19.17`	`alex_morelli`	`browsing around debhelper & cdbs, i found support for qmake in cdbs`
`11:19.38`	`DexterF`	`installed r3 via debootstrap on one of my machines but can't make it boot. the root fs is on /dev/hda6, so is /boot, hence I pointed grub at hd (0,5) and put root=/dev/hda6 in the kernel line.`
`11:19.39`	`alex_morelli`	`but I can't "see" how to start using cdbs...`
`11:20.03`	`DexterF`	`grub finds the kernel image but the kernel panics when it wants to mount the root fs`
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`11:20.31`	`DexterF`	`"unable to mount root fs on (0.0)" or so`
`11:20.34`	`Dewi`	`I would like to move my / partition to another disk... apart from dding it across I'm not sure what I'll need to do`
`11:20.42`	`Dewi`	`obviously once I get started I will not be able to boot`
`11:20.55`	`Dewi`	`so is there a rescue floppy image suitable for use with etch?`
`11:21.50`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: it's likely that your initrd is missing the modules needed to access the hard disk`
`11:21.58`	`themill`	`alex_morelli: have you got the template debian/rules file set up? It sounds like you need to find a good howto... I'm sure there are some around.`
`11:22.38`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: why?`
`11:22.39`	`alex_morelli`	`themill: I'm looking for such a guide. I have to set up the rules file`
`11:23.13`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: usually the kernel is built without any support for devices and gets the relevant bits out of modules`
`11:23.45`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: if your hardware config is unusual, the installer might have left out an essential module`
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`11:24.15`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: I'm not using an installer`
`11:24.23`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: I'm trying to migrate an existing installation`
`11:24.27`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: and I haven't started yet`
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`11:24.36`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: ah ok`
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`11:24.53`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: I probably should use an installer`
`11:25.14`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: before migrating, in the old system, tell mkinitrd to include all module instead of only the needed ones`
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`11:25.23`	`themill`	`alex_morelli: s/Dewi/DexterF/ in your last few lines?`
`11:25.28`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: it's the same hardware`
`11:25.36`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: just a different sda`
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`11:25.52`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: edit /etc/fstab then`
`11:25.57`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: if the new sda was the same length I'd just dd it`
`11:26.09`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: but the new disk is bigger so I need to do individual partitions`
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`11:26.26`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: and that's where I get lost... I don't know how to get grub on the new disk, pointing at the right structures`
`11:26.29`	`alex_morelli`	`themill: I need more caffeine :)`
`11:26.39`	`themill`	`:)`
`11:26.51`	`Dewi`	`oh yeah we're both asking about grub`
`11:27.04`	`Dewi`	`except his system's already broken`
`11:27.09`	`DexterF`	`need more caff, too`
`11:27.11`	`Dewi`	`way ahead of me`
`11:27.14`	`alex_morelli`	`DexterF: Your trouble could be related to missing module`
`11:27.17`	`Dewi`	`I'm still planning on how to break my system`
`11:27.25`	`alex_morelli`	`DexterF: use a live cd`
`11:27.34`	`themill`	`alex_morelli: the other approach is to look for a package that does it already and learn from it. I'd look through the Sources file for a mirror and find something that build-depends on both cdbs and qt and then ruthlessly copy ;)`
`11:27.37`	`Dewi`	`god I wish my bios didnm'`
`11:27.40`	`Dewi`	`t suck so much`
`11:28.15`	`alex_morelli`	`themill: that's it!! I can use build-deps to locate it :)`
`11:28.30`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: I usually do it like this:`
`11:28.34`	`DexterF`	`alex_morelli: the precise error is unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) -- speaks for your theory. question is what to do about it (and why is ext3 not in the kernel?!)`
`11:28.57`	`themill`	`alex_morelli: I had a look through /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_source_Sources and found a lot of packages using cdbs with qmake. Enjoy ;)`
`11:29.12`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: my main current concern is that I can't run grub until after I break my system, at which time I will be unable to run grub`
`11:29.36`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: mount the new partition on /mnt, cd /, tar clf - . \| (cd /mnt;tar xf -)`
`11:29.56`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: I'll just dd it`
`11:30.07`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: tar is better in this case`
`11:30.20`	`themill`	`alex_morelli: BTW such questions are better off in #debian-mentors on oftc as there's not always much packaging experience on this channel. The mentors email list is good too. There's also a debian-qt-kde (or similar) list and channel around somewhere that is for development questions (#debian-kde is a user channel more than a development channel)`
`11:30.43`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: you don't have to worry about disk being the same size`
`11:30.48`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: way more can go wrong with tar... tarring device nodes and proc makes my head hurt`
`11:30.50`	`alex_morelli`	`themill: thanks`
`11:30.52`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: I doubt it will even complete`
`11:31.05`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: it does, trust me`
`11:31.26`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: I use this method regularly to transfer existing installations`
`11:31.34`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: well it certainly won't fix grub`
`11:31.42`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi and DexterF: even on different hardware`
`11:31.45`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: which is what I'm confused about`
`11:32.12`	`themill`	`!tell DexterF about can't mount root`
`11:32.24`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: to fix grub you just have to follow the instruction in the grub manual`
`11:32.32`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: booting off what?`
`11:32.35`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: the live CD?`
`11:32.47`	`Dewi`	`(on a flash disk in this case as I have no cd-rom)`
`11:33.03`	`alex_morelli`	`DexterF: you can use a live cd to mount the hd inst and then you can regenerate the initrd`
`11:33.04`	`DexterF`	`alex_morelli: even on doff hardware what...?`
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`11:33.33`	`DexterF`	`alex_morelli: the old slackware is still operational, I can mount and chroot - does that help me in any way?`
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`11:34.31`	`DexterF`	`D'OH. I forgot the initrd line.`
`11:34.32`	`doff`	`DexterF, what do you mean when say doff?)`
`11:34.51`	`Dewi`	`doff: he meant 'diff'`
`11:34.56`	`DexterF`	`:D !`
`11:34.59`	`alex_morelli`	`doff: I mispelled it :)`
`11:35.03`	`Dewi`	`I love #debian`
`11:35.07`	`Dewi`	`EVERY TYPO IS SOMEBODY'S NAME`
`11:35.14`	`doff`	`8)`
`11:35.32`	`alex_morelli`	`DexterF: it should boot now`
`11:35.51`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: you can still boot in your installation?`
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`11:37.45`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: yeah I haven't broken it yet :)`
`11:38.02`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: I just have no idea how to operate grub`
`11:38.06`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: just a sec, I'll pull in the grub-doc`
`11:38.11`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: particularly since I won't be booting off the same disk`
`11:38.17`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: it's rater simple, actually`
`11:38.18`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: so there's the added confusion`
`11:39.00`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: while in your old installation, with the new disk connected (sya it's sdb), you launch grub and you use grub cmd line`
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`11:40.14`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: just type "grub"`
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`11:40.27`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: then in the cmd line:`
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`11:41.17`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: find /boot/grub/stage1`
`11:41.38`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: It will show you the current installation and the copy in the new disk`
`11:42.01`	`eth01`	`pici: :)`
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`11:42.42`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: then you say:`
`11:42.59`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: root (hd<n>,<m>)`
`11:43.17`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: <n> is the drive, <m> the partition`
`11:43.21`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: won't it get confused because those numbers are wrong?`
`11:43.31`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: because I'm about to move the disk to another port`
`11:43.53`	`Dewi`	`actually I'll do this from the live CD, safer that way`
`11:44.02`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: if you just move the disk, you don't need to change the grub configuration`
`11:44.35`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: you just need to change the fstab`
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`11:45.03`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: okay... thanks`
`11:45.08`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: anyway you can also try this, after you have copied the installation on the new disk:`
`11:45.10`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: I'm going to go and read about how it's all laid out`
`11:45.16`	`Dewi`	`21:24:36 < alex_morelli> Dewi: ah ok`
`11:45.34`	`Dewi`	`eep.`
`11:45.46`	`alex_morelli`	`Desi: grub-install /dev/<new dev>`
`11:45.59`	`Dewi`	`alex_morelli: yep`
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`11:46.25`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: it's almost like magic :)`
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`11:47.04`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: and even if you screw up, you can use the grub command line at boot time`
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`11:49.10`	`sadmin`	`helo`
`11:49.12`	`sadmin`	`ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host`
`11:49.28`	`sadmin`	`am trying to ssh on remote machine`
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`11:49.32`	`sadmin`	`what this error mean`
`11:49.36`	`alex_morelli`	`Dewi: query me if you need help later`
`11:50.08`	`vlt`	`Hello. I want to remove an LMV2 physical volume (pv) from a volume group (vg). Is there a command that reduces an logical volume's or vg's size and reallocates PEs from a certain pv to others?`
`11:50.13`	`tarzeau`	`sadmin: it means the remote host closed the connection from you`
`11:50.28`	`sadmin`	`why`
`11:50.33`	`sadmin`	`whts the cure then`
`11:50.34`	`tarzeau`	`sadmin: it doesn't like you?`
`11:50.39`	`msn`	`how do i make sure apt-mirror creates full mirror and not partial mirror`
`11:50.42`	`tarzeau`	`sadmin: you'd have to go to the machine and ask it`
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`11:51.01`	`alex_morelli`	`sadmin: it may be a SSH1 / SSH2 mismatch`
`11:51.40`	`DexterF`	`alex_morelli, themill - boots :P`
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`11:51.57`	`sadmin`	`what to do`
`11:51.58`	`themill`	`DexterF: :)`
`11:51.58`	`alex_morelli`	`DexterF: wonderful :)`
`11:52.01`	`sadmin`	`now`
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`11:52.20`	`alex_morelli`	`sadmin: try connecting with a SSH1 client`
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`11:52.48`	`themill`	`sadmin: if your machine is listed in hosts.deny (or not in hosts.allow) then you will also get that. If your username is not listed in access restrictions in /etc/sshd_config then you will also get that.`
`11:52.52`	`DexterF`	`mayhem continues, tho: unicode chars are garbled, so are graphic symbols, all take 2 spaces instead of one tho I conf'ed locales. german keyboard is not in effect either. what to do about it?`
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`11:56.17`	`vlt`	`danand_: It's /join`
`11:56.41`	`vlt`	`danand_: Sorry, was for dave...`
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`11:56.58`	`JarekMk`	`hi`
`11:57.20`	`JarekMk`	`why IceDove don't have new version? 2.0.12 ?`
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`12:10.26`	`DexterF`	`how do I configure ssh to ask when a key doesn't match but still continues if I want instead of just halting?`
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`12:12.36`	`amd`	`hello`
`12:12.58`	`amd`	`what's better - LENOVO 3000 N100 Core 2 Duo T5500 1.66GHz 667MHz/ 512MB/ 80GB/ 15.4" WXGA TFT VibrantView + Camera/ Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950/ DVD-RW Multiburner/ 56K/ Eth/ IEEE 1394/ Intel 802.11a/b/g/ FPR /Card reader 4-in-1/ WXP Home + Lenovo Carrying Case or ESPRIMO MOBILE V5535 Core2 Duo T5450 (1.66 GHz 2MB); RAM DDR II 1GB, HDD SATA 120GB, Display 15.4" WXGA 543,4 Crystal; Graphics SiS Mirage 3+ 64-256 MB; DVD/RW Dual DL, LAN, WLAN, Modem 56K, Ex`
`12:12.58`	`amd`	`press Card 34/54; Weight 2,7kg`
`12:13.12`	`xingu`	`!better`
`12:13.12`	`dpkg`	`methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what you mean by "better".`
`12:13.42`	`amd`	`i'm looking to buy laptop but i don't know which one to choose from those two`
`12:13.45`	`amd`	`they are almost the same price`
`12:14.03`	`amd`	`the lenovo has less ram and hd but i like it better as a brand`
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`12:14.33`	`pngwn`	`amd, try #hardware`
`12:15.12`	`zeld`	`bye bye`
`12:15.13`	`zeld`	`ciao ciao`
`12:15.15`	`zeld`	`bau bau`
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`12:15.48`	`xingu`	`I wouldn't spend new money on either of them; no pni, no t&l/shaders`
`12:16.25`	`amd`	`whats pni and t&l shaders?`
`12:16.27`	`amd`	`graphics?`
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`12:17.50`	`xingu`	`pni == prescott new instuctions, ie em64t extentions; t&l == texture and lighting (unit), shaders as in pixel and vertex; so no 64bit arch for you, and no hw accelerated 3d either.`
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`12:18.19`	`uzbek`	`hi everybody!`
`12:18.33`	`xingu`	`if it was a gift I'd take it, but there's no way I'd spend any of my own money on it`
`12:18.34`	`uzbek`	`where are the application icons are stored?`
`12:18.39`	`DexterF`	`what is "d-i" and in what packages?`
`12:18.41`	`amphi`	`xingu: eh? core 2 duo isn't 64 bit?`
`12:18.51`	`amd`	`xingu, what laptop would you recommend for 500-550 euro?`
`12:18.52`	`xingu`	`amphi: t5500/t5450 aren't.`
`12:19.05`	`amphi`	`xingu: ah, thanks, I didn't know that`
`12:19.48`	`Refakki`	`amd, i think, you should buy a calculator`
`12:19.50`	`DexterF`	`amd: I recently saw a Acer Extensa that runs fine under linux (wlan needs some tinkering tho but works)`
`12:20.21`	`amd`	`Refakki, what for the calc?`
`12:20.21`	`DexterF`	`amd: 400 bucks, leaves cash to upgrade the 512megs yourself`
`12:20.40`	`amd`	`DexterF, what model?`
`12:20.46`	`DexterF`	`amd: 5220`
`12:21.02`	`Refakki`	`amd, toshiba A-200? where are you from?`
`12:21.48`	`amd`	`Refakki, macedonia`
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`12:22.03`	`amd`	`xingu, t5500 is 64bit`
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`12:24.50`	`xingu`	`amd: but not vt - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_VT - apologies for the confusion.`
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`12:26.39`	`xingu`	`amd: this is a highly personal preference and totally OT for #debian; my baseline in a current-spec notebook would be t7300 + 8600m gpu; that will put you into the €800-900 though, I'd hazard a guess.`
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`12:27.49`	`amd`	`xingu, i plan to spend 500 euro max`
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`12:29.26`	`amd`	`xingu, anything better than LENOVO 3000 N100 for 500 euro?`
`12:29.42`	`xingu`	`no idea :)`
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`12:30.51`	`Speedism`	`for 500 euro, i'd say that lenovo is a nice laptop`
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`12:31.09`	`Phil4`	`if I change a file in /etc/logrotate.d/ do I need to restart anything to make it take effect?`
`12:31.10`	`amd`	`does it make a great difference if you have 512mb ram or 1gig?`
`12:31.34`	`xingu`	`amd: what does a fujitsu amilo pi 2515 go for out your way?`
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`12:31.48`	`fireba11`	`amd : yes`
`12:32.02`	`amd`	`xingu, is that pavilion?`
`12:32.10`	`amd`	`ah sorry amilo`
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`12:34.11`	`amd`	`xingu, too expensive - 770 euro`
`12:34.40`	`amd`	`xingu, but this one looks fine to me - fujitsu ESPRIMO MOBILE V5535 Core2 Duo T5450 (1.66 GHz 2MB) RAM 1GB SATA 120GB 15.4'' WXGA SiS Mirage 3+ 64-256 MB Express Card 34/54 Linux`
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`12:34.56`	`amd`	`what you think?`
`12:35.14`	`xingu`	`I think you're buying runoffs :)`
`12:35.22`	`themill`	`!ot`
`12:35.23`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.`
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`12:36.39`	`amd`	`xingu, T5250 is better than T5450?`
`12:36.47`	`amd`	`themill, okay finishing...`
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`12:40.01`	`ohcibi`	`hi folks.... when i use aptitude sometimes it behaves like i was hitting return several times (like the button is stuck).... its a big problem, when i want to upgrade or to install something because i cant decide whether to install/upgrade or not... does anybody know why this could be?`
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`12:42.28`	`vjsp`	`Phil4, no`
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`12:42.44`	`Phil4`	`hm?`
`12:42.54`	`Phil4`	`oh, right`
`12:42.55`	`Phil4`	`sorry`
`12:42.59`	`Phil4`	`ok, thanks`
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`12:51.29`	`Jorel`	`hi!!! How to change the source of the terminal in the debian in text mode`
`12:51.55`	`thecruftyprogram`	`alt-F1 or alt-F2 or alt-F3...`
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`12:53.46`	`vjsp`	`i think he means 'font' instead of 'source'`
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`13:04.49`	`DexterF`	`I got a SERIOUS raid problem, please help`
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`13:05.13`	`DexterF`	`installed mdadm, answered the questions it asekd, then it auto-assembled the array for reasons beyond me`
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`13:05.37`	`DexterF`	`I got no clue how it wrote the mdadm.conf, but the info in there wasnt right and I had two arrays all of a sudden`
`13:05.43`	`timonator`	`hello folks`
`13:06.11`	`DexterF`	`so I took my old working mdadm.conf from slack, put that in, assembled and got`
`13:06.16`	`DexterF`	`mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 1 drive - not enough to start the array.`
`13:06.23`	`DexterF`	`its a 4 drive raid5`
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`13:06.36`	`timonator`	`is there an debian-ish way to compile a kernel manually, but have all the features the debian kernel brings with it? i copied the config used by debian to the source and make'd the kernel, but upon boot it wouldn't let me decrypt my hard drive, it just failed "waiting for root partition" or something`
`13:07.10`	`wols`	`get the kernel source from debian and compile it with kernel-package`
`13:07.25`	`ShredZ`	`when using vmware-package I can't make resulting deb's install because /etc/vmware is missing. Is it fixable ?`
`13:07.37`	`timonator`	`that gives me the opportunity to apply patches, right?`
`13:07.47`	`themill`	`!tell timonator about make-kpkg`
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`13:08.09`	`timonator`	`thanks`
`13:08.17`	`wols`	`!tell ShredZ about vmware`
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`13:08.48`	`chenz`	`I found no keyboard-related options in the BIOS`
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`13:10.10`	`daniel_John`	`I want to remove exim 4 and replace with postfix. When I use synaptic package manager it also wants to remove : at, aide,harden,malix,mutt. Is the removal of these ok ?`
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`13:12.23`	`Mantaar`	`daniel_John: those are no critical packages. If you want, i'd try to keep 'at' in. I wonder if mailx isn't used by some demon, though...`
`13:12.29`	`liable`	`daniel_John: just install postfix, that should remove exim`
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`13:13.45`	`daniel_John`	`ok ill overwrit exim. thanks`
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`13:14.41`	`ShredZ`	`How do I remove a package from apt's database ?`
`13:14.50`	`ShredZ`	`e.g. I removed the files manually`
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`13:15.15`	`abrotman`	`ShredZ: why?`
`13:15.24`	`liable`	`ShredZ: eww, why did you do that?`
`13:15.48`	`ShredZ`	`abrotman, because the unsupported vmware is giving me problems and I want to cleanly re-install my make-vmpkg made .deb`
`13:15.57`	`liable`	`ShredZ: reinstall and then remove it`
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`13:16.05`	`abrotman`	`you could have just uninstalled it?`
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`13:16.20`	`ShredZ`	`apt-get remove vmware-server won't work because I accidently removed /etc/vmware`
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`13:16.29`	`DexterF`	`when installing mdadm, do the raid UUIDs get regenerated or something?`
`13:16.46`	`abrotman`	`ShredZ: so put it back ..`
`13:16.59`	`abrotman`	`"I already screwed it up by removing the conf dir .. let me just remove all the other files"`
`13:17.23`	`ShredZ`	`abrotman, that's what I'm trying to do`
`13:17.32`	`liable`	`!confmiss`
`13:17.32`	`dpkg`	`the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;`
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`13:17.53`	`liable`	`you will need to make the dir for it in etc first`
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`13:19.41`	`ShredZ`	`liable, what if I have a .deb that's not in the repositories ? :/`
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`13:20.07`	`abrotman`	`man dpkg`
`13:20.25`	`ShredZ`	`see it needs some info on product name from that /etc/ folder`
`13:20.43`	`wols`	`ShredZ: OT`
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`13:24.16`	`ShredZ`	`k, got it fixed`
`13:25.14`	`xingu`	`ot... but... http://new.quote.com/us/futures/chart.action?chartUi.studies=&symbol=DX+%23F&chartUi.minutes=15&chartUi.bartype=LINE&chartUi.size=650x450&chartUi.period=V&chartUi.bardensity=LOW&Symbol_Compare=&x=39&y=7 <-- did one of you guys just drop usd200bn?`
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`13:26.05`	`daniel_John`	`I no longer want my desktop to remember the postion /open windows when I shutdown the computer. I cant recall where set this prefrence. How do I change this setting?`
`13:26.29`	`daniel_John`	`using Gnome`
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`13:27.09`	`DawnLight`	`daniel_John: #gnome`
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`13:28.33`	`abrotman`	`xingu: you need a job`
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`13:29.04`	`abrotman`	`daniel_John: i think there's a preference somewhere to save workspace .. check the preferences, if you can't find it, ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org`
`13:29.08`	`xingu`	`abrotman: "I've already got one" :)`
`13:29.26`	`abrotman`	`DawnLight: FYI .. there is no #gnome on freenode`
`13:29.30`	`daniel_John`	`thanks, im in Gnome`
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`13:29.45`	`Daveman`	`Nice day, Abrotman :)`
`13:29.51`	`wols`	`xingu: an honest job. not currency trader`
`13:29.53`	`DawnLight`	`abrotman: ##gnome?`
`13:29.54`	`Daveman`	`Despite it not being to your thermal liking. ;)`
`13:29.55`	`abrotman`	`Daveman: so far .. i'm not in jail .. yay`
`13:30.06`	`abrotman`	`DawnLight: try it .. have fun`
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`13:30.22`	`DawnLight`	`abrotman: what do you mean`
`13:30.32`	`Daveman`	`:p`
`13:30.34`	`abrotman`	`DawnLight: /list ##gnome`
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`13:32.09`	`xingu`	`wols: only tangentially involved in the pricing and movement of shekels I'm afraid; I'm more of a mechanic that keeps the machinery bit plumbers use ticking over.`
`13:32.30`	`DawnLight`	`abrotman: /join ##gnome`
`13:32.42`	`abrotman`	`DawnLight: how many people?`
`13:32.57`	`DawnLight`	`abrotman: too many`
`13:33.05`	`abrotman`	`wtf`
`13:33.17`	`abrotman`	`if it's secret .. not very useful .. use irc.gnome.org`
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`13:34.22`	`tuXzero`	`Can somebody tell me if a cifs connection in /etc/fstab is automaticly reconnected when the cifs server is back up`
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`13:35.01`	`DexterF`	`according to cfdisk /dev/sda has a partition sda1 but in /dev/disk sda1 doesn't show up, only sda - what might be the cause?`
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`13:35.21`	`Anthro`	`This is really a bash question, but I'm hoping someone here can help. Right now, when I cd into a symlinked directory it treats it as if the directory lived where the symlink is. That is, if I cd .. I wind up in the directory containing the symlink, not the actual linked directory. Also, pwd (not /bin/pwd) gives me a path as if it were the symlink. How do I change this behavior?`
`13:35.32`	`DawnLight`	`DexterF: what is /dev/disk?`
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`13:35.48`	`DexterF`	`DawnLight: well, the disk dir in /dev`
`13:35.57`	`wols`	`DexterF: why wouldit be in /dev/disk?`
`13:36.15`	`wols`	`Anthro: #bash`
`13:36.26`	`Anthro`	`wols: Okey-dokey.`
`13:36.27`	`DexterF`	`wols: ok, in /dev/disk/by-[uuid/id/path]`
`13:36.30`	`plb`	`hm that sucks..seems firefox 3 beta 4 won't work in etch...no gtk-2.10 =\`
`13:36.32`	`wols`	`DexterF: if you look for sda maybe look in /dev/ directly`
`13:36.32`	`DawnLight`	`by-id by-label by-path by-uuid is what i have in /dev/disk`
`13:37.01`	`DexterF`	`wols: and in /dev alone there's only sda, too. no trace of sda1`
`13:37.19`	`DawnLight`	`plb: how bad do you need it?`
`13:37.30`	`wols`	`DexterF: cat /proc/partitions`
`13:37.41`	`wols`	`DexterF: and udev is running?`
`13:38.01`	`DexterF`	`wols: in proc/part. only sda, too. udev... good question`
`13:38.06`	`DawnLight`	`dmesg?`
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`13:38.17`	`DexterF`	`wols: udevd is running`
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`13:38.56`	`wols`	`I don't believe that fdisk is seeing sda1 then`
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`13:39.02`	`wols`	`if the kernel doesn't`
`13:39.15`	`plb`	`DawnLight: not bad enough to build gtk-2.10 =)`
`13:39.24`	`timonator`	`why doesn't the debian kernel faq list copying an old config into the custom kernel folder and running make oldconfig? is there something bad about that approach that i don't know about?`
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`13:39.59`	`SleepingSloth`	`hi - just done a fresh install of 32 bit etch (on a 64 bit dual-processor box) - and it's only reporting one cpu :S - can anyone offer me some advice on this please?`
`13:40.10`	`abrotman`	`timonator: because it's common knowledge?`
`13:40.21`	`abrotman`	`SleepingSloth: uname -a .. what does it say?`
`13:40.28`	`wols`	`SleepingSloth: install the proper kernel. the -486 kernel doesn't have SMP support`
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`13:40.59`	`SleepingSloth`	`abrotman, wols yeah - its not got the -smp postfix.... i figured that was the case.`
`13:41.08`	`DawnLight`	`plb: you can use debootstrap to install a sid somewhere and chroot into it to run things`
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`13:41.29`	`abrotman`	`SleepingSloth: you want either -686 or -amd64`
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`13:42.03`	`echo-area`	`hi there`
`13:42.19`	`DexterF`	`wols: so why wouldn't the system see the partitions when the fdisk utils report they are there?`
`13:42.24`	`SleepingSloth`	`abrotman, is -amd64 not 64 bit dependent?`
`13:42.29`	`echo-area`	`apt-get upgrade tells me the following:`
`13:42.31`	`echo-area`	`dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libcomedi0_0.8.1-2_i386.deb (--unpack):`
`13:42.32`	`dpkg`	`That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.`
`13:42.32`	`echo-area`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:42.45`	`DawnLight`	`dpkg: shut up`
`13:42.46`	`dpkg`	`Kiss my shiny metal ass!`
`13:43.13`	`abrotman`	`SleepingSloth: it's a 64bit kernel for 32bit userland .. works fine`
`13:43.23`	`SleepingSloth`	`abrotman, you know what I mean ;) I want to run 32 bit apps natively, so my g...... you beat me to it`
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`13:43.54`	`SleepingSloth`	`abrotman, so can i just use aptitude to pick it up?`
`13:44.02`	`reza_20`	`salam`
`13:44.08`	`echo-area`	`but apt-get remove libcomedi0 says "Package libcomedi0 is not installed, so not removed", and apt-get remove libcomedi says "E: Couldn't find package libcomedi"`
`13:44.15`	`echo-area`	`what's wrong?`
`13:44.19`	`echo-area`	`thanks`
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`13:44.38`	`Le_Vert`	`hello`
`13:44.45`	`reza_20`	`hi`
`13:44.49`	`Le_Vert`	`is there any dom0 xen kernel 2.6.24 somewhere ?`
`13:44.51`	`SleepingSloth`	`abrotman, sorry - i've tias and i see it in apt-cache . 'scuse noobism`
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`13:45.07`	`reza_20`	`is there any iranian people`
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`13:45.21`	`tuXzero`	`ls`
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`13:45.53`	`reza_20`	`irani`
`13:46.00`	`Le_Vert`	`if not what I'm supposed to do ?`
`13:46.14`	`Le_Vert`	`try to use xen 3.2.0 with etch xen kernel ?`
`13:46.15`	`Wesley`	`Hi! when I try to make a remote connection to my mysql server I only get the following: Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. - After that nothing, I'm not able to input any commando's`
`13:46.20`	`Titanous`	I'm running lenny, and I get "chgrp: cannot access `/dev/fuse': No such file or directory" when I try to install fuse-utils
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`13:46.23`	`Le_Vert`	`or rebuild a 2.6.24 with dom0 support N`
`13:46.24`	`Le_Vert`	`?`
`13:46.50`	`reza_20`	`hi vert`
`13:46.56`	`muramasa`	`Hiya. Sorry for bothering you all - but is there some information on howto upgrade to a newer kernel? (2.6.24.3 I believe) (I'm running etch)`
`13:47.29`	`reza_20`	`hi ssss`
`13:47.31`	`theatro`	`muramasa, download from kernel.org and build one`
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`13:48.01`	`Le_Vert`	`I do not really understand whuy debian ships a 2.6.24 domU kernel but no 2.6.24 dom0 one`
`13:48.46`	`Nyle`	`Good morning`
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`13:50.09`	`Nyle`	`!ping`
`13:50.09`	`dpkg`	`pong`
`13:50.12`	`efaistos`	`with postfix what do you put for the mydomain when you have virtual mailboxes and domains ?`
`13:50.25`	`xingu`	`Le_Vert: there were some noises a while back that I half remember about removing the distinction between domU and dom0 kernels`
`13:50.37`	`xingu`	`Le_Vert: have you tried booting the domU kernel?`
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`13:50.45`	`Le_Vert`	`yeah there's a bug opended about this`
`13:50.59`	`Le_Vert`	`!466492`
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`13:51.17`	`Le_Vert`	`the debian '-xen' kernel is a domU one`
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`13:51.23`	`Le_Vert`	`update-grub doesn't recognise it`
`13:51.23`	`xingu`	`Le_Vert: having said all that I'm more interest in kvm, I've never really been into xen directly (it always seemed like the wrong approach to me)`
`13:51.34`	`Le_Vert`	`and I tried to boot it by hand`
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`13:51.40`	`xingu`	`what happened?`
`13:51.44`	`Le_Vert`	`and grub doesn't think it looks like a valid kernel image :p`
`13:51.50`	`xingu`	`fair do`
`13:52.08`	`Le_Vert`	`so I'm just wondering what dom0 kernel should I use`
`13:52.14`	`xingu`	`I think the context for the discussion was talking about grafting an elf header onto the domU kernel to turn it into an executable`
`13:52.29`	`Le_Vert`	`debian testing has xen 3.2.0 and I guess it won't work with etch xen kernel`
`13:53.06`	`Octal`	`Hi guys, I'm always getting a sound problem with my debian; I installed alsa-utils and alsa-base but when i try to modprobe snd-pcm-oss, I'm getting: FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/sound/acore/oss/snd-pcm-oss.ko': No such file or directory`
`13:53.17`	`Octal`	`What should I do to fix it ?`
`13:53.19`	`Le_Vert`	`xingu: did you remember where was that talk ?`
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`13:53.37`	`echo-area`	`solved`
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`13:53.54`	`echo-area`	`can't remove the package with apt-get, but dpkg helps`
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`13:56.46`	`enzo`	`hi`
`13:56.54`	`Nyle`	`brother enzo`
`13:56.56`	`Nyle`	`hi`
`13:57.00`	`enzo`	`i'd like to install nvidia driver with their .run package, but i have problem`
`13:57.22`	`Nyle`	`I have not used nvidia in a year`
`13:57.23`	`Nyle`	`however`
`13:57.26`	`Nyle`	`!nvidia`
`13:57.26`	`dpkg`	`To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.`
`13:57.27`	`enzo`	`i've installed linux source, but it tells me include/linux/version.h doesn't exist, and yes it doesn't exist on my linux source, any idea ?`
`13:57.48`	`Octal`	`Someone for my Audio card ?`
`13:58.00`	`tralala`	`enzo, linux-headers`
`13:58.00`	`Nyle`	`Octal, you have tried alsaconf as root`
`13:58.07`	`Nyle`	`!alsa checklist`
`13:58.07`	`dpkg`	methinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
`13:58.09`	`wols`	`enzo: we don't support the nvidia .run package`
`13:58.19`	`Nyle`	`enzo, install module-assistant; m-a prepare`
`13:58.32`	`Octal`	`Yes Nyle`
`13:58.36`	`Octal`	`modinfo: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/sound/acore/snd.ko: No such file or directory`
`13:58.39`	`Nyle`	`that ought to take care of all your module building problems, w/ or w/o`
`13:59.09`	`Nyle`	`my back hurs`
`13:59.10`	`Nyle`	`goddamn`
`13:59.15`	`wols`	`Octal: your kernel is exploitable and try run depmod -a then try again`
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`13:59.40`	`m_dige`	`enouf: m_dige - the one with a fucked up kernel`
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`13:59.51`	`m_dige`	`enouf: It works like a charm now`
`13:59.51`	`SamuraiDio`	`does ooo exists in 64bit archtecture already, or am i using the 32bits one loading the ia32libs?`
`14:00.01`	`m_dige`	`enouf: so thank you mate`
`14:00.10`	`wols`	`SamuraiDio: why wouldn't it exist?`
`14:00.13`	`enzo`	`big thanks tralala !`
`14:00.20`	`enzo`	`i've had problem with m-a`
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`14:00.22`	`Octal`	`modinfo: could not find module snd wols`
`14:00.28`	`tarzeau`	`SamuraiDio: yes it exists`
`14:00.39`	`tarzeau`	`wols: it wasn't portable since forever, still it's not built for all.. is it?`
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`14:01.29`	`Le_Vert`	`xingu: it seems dom0 is not supported on kernel > 2.6.18`
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`14:01.39`	`Le_Vert`	`seems there's some unsupported patches over the net`
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`14:01.43`	`DexterF`	`wols: I rebooted slack and there the array is fine, it sees all the partitions. question is: why does debian not?`
`14:01.48`	`Le_Vert`	`I'll give a try with etch 2.6.18 xen dom0 kernel`
`14:01.50`	`Octal`	`My main Audio card is: 02:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc R600 Audio Device [Radeon HD 2900 Series]`
`14:01.58`	`Legality`	`Hi, hey, does anyone know a good howto in getting hdd's to sw-raid(raid1)? For example if I have 2 hdds and the second one is completely useless atm`
`14:02.12`	`Nyle`	`!raid how-to`
`14:02.16`	`Nyle`	`!raid`
`14:02.16`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, or a type of bug spray`
`14:02.20`	`wols`	`DexterF: how can it be an array? it's sda1 a single partition`
`14:02.27`	`Nyle`	`where the link for the tldp raid howto`
`14:02.28`	`Nyle`	`!lvm`
`14:02.29`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410`
`14:02.35`	`Nyle`	`goddamit`
`14:02.37`	`Legality`	`AFAIK I need to do the same partitions to the second hdd but I've got no idea how to add the raid-arrays`
`14:02.40`	`Legality`	`oki`
`14:02.51`	`DexterF`	`wols: the array includes sd[abcd]1, I only picked this for an example`
`14:03.01`	`Octal`	`Shall I compile Alsa modules ?`
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`14:03.15`	`sysadmin-lb22`	`hi all when I login using my profile I have the correct path..when I do ssh ..I dont get my correct path for ex: I need to use /sbin/ifconfig to execute ifconfig..any ideas`
`14:03.21`	`Nyle`	`Legality, 2hdd are in use and you want to add a 3rd but you have no raid?`
`14:03.25`	`wols`	`DexterF: your kernel install is fucked`
`14:03.27`	`SamuraiDio`	`wine exists only in 32bits?`
`14:03.34`	`Legality`	`no, second hdd is not used at all atm`
`14:03.47`	`Legality`	`Nyle: I need to add the second hdd to mirror the first one`
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`14:03.53`	`Nyle`	`i see`
`14:04.01`	`DexterF`	`wols: on a fresh install of r3?`
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`14:04.14`	`Legality`	`Nyle: I know how to do it in the graphical software but I don't know the commands to set up the md's :>`
`14:04.27`	`Nyle`	`Legality, bout time you learned :)`
`14:04.32`	`Nyle`	`read the links`
`14:04.35`	`wols`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:04.39`	`DexterF`	`wols: it perfectly sees sdd1 by the way, only a1, b1 and c1 are missing. all the same disks, same partition type, same layout`
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`14:04.55`	`Legality`	`Nyle: the lvm links?`
`14:04.59`	`wols`	`DexterF: either refer them by their right names or don't bother`
`14:05.00`	`Octal`	`?`
`14:05.01`	`Nyle`	`I think so`
`14:05.28`	`wols`	`Octal: install a new kernel- 2.6.18-6-686`
`14:05.37`	`wols`	`!tell Octal about security`
`14:05.41`	`Nyle`	`!raid install`
`14:05.42`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, raid install is http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?sid=182`
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`14:05.49`	`Nyle`	`Legality, ^`
`14:06.07`	`Legality`	`404?`
`14:06.09`	`DexterF`	`wols: oh, we're going "I don't really can't figure this guys problem so I go into Smug Mode to pretend I'm still a un*x guru" or what?`
`14:06.18`	`Legality`	`vgcreate my_volume_group /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 <<--- this is it? :/`
`14:06.20`	`Octal`	`I have a 2.6.18-5-686 kernel`
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`14:06.32`	`Legality`	`time to read man vgcreate`
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`14:06.40`	`Nyle`	`ahh boy`
`14:06.44`	`Nyle`	`!software raid`
`14:06.45`	`dpkg`	`methinks software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html, also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html, or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig>`
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`14:07.11`	`Legality`	`niceeee`
`14:07.13`	`Nyle`	`dpkg forget raid install`
`14:07.13`	`dpkg`	`i forgot raid install, Nyle`
`14:07.24`	`wols`	`DexterF: good attitude to get help here. HAND`
`14:07.44`	`Nyle`	`dpkg raid install is <reply>software raid`
`14:07.44`	`dpkg`	`okay, Nyle`
`14:07.49`	`DexterF`	`wols: you lecture me about attitude after that bs you just gave me?`
`14:07.54`	`BadRobot`	`hi there`
`14:07.55`	`BadRobot`	`i need some help to set up a LaCie Ethernet Disk mini`
`14:07.56`	`Nyle`	`goddamit`
`14:08.03`	`abrotman`	`DexterF: you're the one asking for help, try to be nice`
`14:08.04`	`Octal`	`wols, I upgrade my kernel or I compile alsa drivers ?`
`14:08.12`	`wols`	`DexterF: YOU want something from US`
`14:08.19`	`abrotman`	`DexterF: and also remember these people are volunteers`
`14:08.24`	`wols`	`Octal: upgrade. I told you your kernel is exploitable`
`14:08.25`	`Nyle`	`abrotman, help`
`14:08.33`	`Octal`	`k`
`14:08.40`	`Nyle`	`abrotman, could you please forward the factoid I couldn't get it to`
`14:08.47`	`Nyle`	`the link was a 404`
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`14:09.04`	`wols`	`you still might have to compile alsa. ati soundcards are a bitch`
`14:09.14`	`DexterF`	`wols: and you're being smug about something that's totally irrelevant`
`14:09.19`	`Octal`	`hum aptitude update and aptitude upgrade didn't make anything`
`14:09.20`	`BadRobot`	`so anyone?`
`14:09.24`	`wols`	`!tell DexterF about ot`
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`14:09.30`	`abrotman`	`BadRobot: setup for what?`
`14:09.34`	`Shadur`	`... Hoo boy.`
`14:09.38`	`Legality`	`one question,, what if I mirror partition sda2(100mb) with sdb2(20mb),,, what would happen?`
`14:09.49`	`Nyle`	`Legality, I don't know`
`14:09.55`	`BadRobot`	`i need some help to set up a LaCie Ethernet Disk mini`
`14:09.57`	`Legality`	`i mean i build a raid array on those, md2`
`14:09.59`	`wols`	`Legality: a 20MB raid probably`
`14:10.05`	`Legality`	`might be yea`
`14:10.17`	`Legality`	`or it might explode and create a black hole`
`14:10.17`	`Octal`	`I'm fed up ...`
`14:10.31`	`Shadur`	`The coworker just informed me we're planning to add a SAN based on ISCSI, and I'm having a hell of a time finding /anything/ regarding how well linux supports it.`
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`14:10.56`	`DexterF`	`abrotman: I've been on freenode since 2001 or so, I did so much support here I so totally know about volunteering.`
`14:11.02`	`abrotman`	`here?`
`14:11.09`	`Nyle`	`never seen you here`
`14:11.12`	`Nyle`	`EVER`
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`14:11.19`	`DexterF`	`abrotman: not #debian, #slackware/#slackman`
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`14:11.19`	`Nyle`	`and I'm on like donkey kong`
`14:11.41`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 855] by debhelper`
`14:11.41`	`crumblenaut`	`how do you use apt-get source to modify ./configure parameters and recompile something? Chapter 6 of the manual demonstrates a breaktaking absence of this information`
`14:11.50`	`abrotman`	`DexterF: so be nice`
`14:11.55`	`DexterF`	`abrotman: I was`
`14:12.02`	`Octal`	`What is the last way for me ?`
`14:12.03`	`abrotman`	`crumblenaut: /msg dpkg source`
`14:12.04`	`wols`	`crumblenaut: you edit your /debian/ files`
`14:12.21`	`Nyle`	`crumblenaut, apt-get source pkg;apt-get build-dep pkg; cd into pacakge dir and look at debian/rules`
`14:12.22`	`wols`	`Octal: I told you what to do. you haven't upgraded your kernel yet, did you?`
`14:12.28`	`Nyle`	`in fact`
`14:12.34`	`Nyle`	`!package basics`
`14:12.34`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/`
`14:12.40`	`Octal`	`wols, I told you the upgrade didn't make anything`
`14:12.54`	`Nyle`	`crumblenaut, see above`
`14:12.58`	`wols`	`Octal: dpkg -l \|grep linux-image`
`14:13.05`	`wols`	`Octal: and uname -a`
`14:13.21`	`amphi`	`Nyle: did you get mplayer working as you wished?`
`14:13.23`	`Octal`	`ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6etch2 Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/P`
`14:13.23`	`Octal`	`ii linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17 Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/`
`14:13.24`	`Nyle`	`ahh !ources`
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`14:13.36`	`Nyle`	`amphi, please look in #compiz-fusion`
`14:13.37`	`wols`	`Octal: cool. you didn't upgrade.`
`14:13.40`	`Octal`	`Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 24 16:41:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux`
`14:13.53`	`wols`	`Octal: come back if you did`
`14:13.59`	`amphi`	`Nyle: ah, I hadn't seen that you were there`
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`14:14.02`	`Octal`	`... as if I didn't try`
`14:14.03`	`jones-`	`Hello.`
`14:14.04`	`wols`	`!tell Octal about security`
`14:14.13`	`wols`	`Octal: read what dpkg just told you`
`14:14.21`	`abrotman`	`DexterF: are the UUIDs the same in slackware/debian ?`
`14:14.31`	`jones-`	`What do I need to have in my sources.list to install flashplugin-nonfree? /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid. Thanks!`
`14:14.41`	`Octal`	`wols, loul I read and I did it`
`14:14.48`	`wols`	`Octal: you didn't`
`14:14.59`	`abrotman`	`!tell jones- about non-free`
`14:15.03`	`wols`	`install the linux-image-2.6.18-6-686`
`14:15.05`	`cedric3`	`hi all i don't know why when i type hostname -f i have this error message hostname: Unknown host`
`14:15.19`	`wols`	`!tell cedric3 about hostname`
`14:15.22`	`cedric3`	`but i think my /Etc/hostname et /etc/hosts it's good`
`14:15.39`	`DexterF`	`abrotman: well, yes and no: since debian doesn't see sda1 it scanned sda, which has a different uuid. sdd1 however is correct, since debian sees it. sdd1 has the same uuid on deb and slack alright`
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`14:15.57`	`cedric3`	`wols : on /Etc/hostname i have test.test.fr`
`14:16.03`	`wols`	`DexterF: alldisks on the same controller?`
`14:16.10`	`abrotman`	`DexterF: fdisk -l /dev/sda .. you might want to check dmesg and see if they are getting scanned/added in the same order as slackware`
`14:16.20`	`cedric3`	`wols : my name is test and my domain is test.fr`
`14:16.22`	`wols`	`cedric3: that would be wrong. a hostname is no fqdn`
`14:16.24`	`DexterF`	`wols: yes`
`14:16.30`	`helo`	`how do i get from a debootstrapped install dir to a pxe boot from that install?`
`14:16.56`	`jones-`	`abrotman: thanks, I already have contrib and non-free in my sources.list and that doesn't seem to have fixed the issue.`
`14:17.02`	`Octal`	`that's done wols`
`14:17.07`	`Octal`	`shall I reboot ?`
`14:17.09`	`DexterF`	`abrotman: even if they had a different order, the array is assembled by uuid/superblocks, so that doesn't even matter`
`14:17.11`	`wols`	`Octal: are you running the -6 kernel now?`
`14:17.34`	`cedric3`	`wols : ok i write now test on the file and /etc/init.d/hostname.sh start but i have the same probleme hostname work but hostname -f no`
`14:17.39`	`Octal`	`Bah my grub was updated, I think I have to reboot to boot the new kernel isn't it ?`
`14:17.48`	`DexterF`	`abrotman: ill deactivate the raid scripts and see what I can dig from dmesg, for the moment I booted to slack which still works.`
`14:18.09`	`wols`	`cedric3: cat /etc/hosts. in a pastebin`
`14:18.20`	`wols`	`Octal: of course you do`
`14:18.25`	`Octal`	`Oki`
`14:18.28`	`Octal`	`coming back`
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`14:18.54`	`tonyb2007`	`w 4`
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`14:19.45`	`cedric3`	`wols : http://pastebin.ca/938246`
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`14:20.13`	`abrotman`	`jones-: then just grab the .tar.gz from adobe.com and manually install it`
`14:20.57`	`helo`	`the answer, of course, is http://howtoforge.com/pxe_booting_debian`
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`14:21.19`	`octal`	`Ok that's done`
`14:21.26`	`wols`	`cedric3: in /etc/nsswitch.conf it's hosts: files dns mdns`
`14:21.34`	`abrotman`	`jones-: or /msg dpkg dmm .. get it from marillat`
`14:21.38`	`wols`	`octal: now you should have all those alsa modules`
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`14:21.49`	`octal`	`Indeed, but I have no sound`
`14:22.04`	`octal`	`/dev/dsp doesn't exist`
`14:22.27`	`wols`	`now go and try to config alsa`
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`14:22.35`	`octal`	`ok`
`14:22.53`	`jones-`	`abrotman: I installed manually. Thanks.`
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`14:23.38`	`mrcool`	`hi all`
`14:23.46`	`edneymatias`	`hi all`
`14:23.55`	`mrcool`	`Is there nice menu I can use with freenx that support xml?`
`14:24.07`	`edneymatias`	`does anyone know any issue in postgres, libssl and debian etch?`
`14:24.16`	`octal`	`ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'`
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`14:24.31`	`edneymatias`	`...and segmentation faults`
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`14:24.49`	`edneymatias`	`:)`
`14:24.52`	`octal`	`hum`
`14:24.53`	`cedric3`	`wols : it work but why because on my file the old line is hosts: œfiles dns`
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`14:24.56`	`octal`	`octal@debian:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards`
`14:24.56`	`octal`	`--- no soundcards ---`
`14:24.57`	`octal`	`wtf`
`14:25.16`	`wols`	`octal: alsa-project.org check thir card database`
`14:25.17`	`xsdg`	`octal: lspci? is the driver loaded?`
`14:25.31`	`cedric3`	`wols : it work but why because on my file the old line is hosts: files dns and the resolv to to the file and after the dns`
`14:25.32`	`wols`	`xsdg: ati soundcard (hdmi one on the videocard...)`
`14:25.46`	`xsdg`	`wols: oh, weird`
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`14:25.53`	`wols`	`cedric3: I don't understand you`
`14:26.22`	`muramasa`	`tralala, you wouldn't happen to be around, do you?`
`14:26.30`	`crumblenaut`	`xit`
`14:26.35`	`Nyle`	`xut?`
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`14:26.45`	`Nyle`	`xit i mean`
`14:26.50`	`cedric3`	`wols : your line solv my problem but i don't know why my old line is hosts: files dns and you tell me change to hosts: files dns mdns but i don't know why if you can explain me`
`14:27.02`	`cedric3`	`wols : do you understand?`
`14:27.04`	`daniel_John`	`Ive noticed that i get a warning message about pcmcia when I boot-up. what should I do about this ?`
`14:27.42`	`wols`	`mdns is irrelevnt actaully`
`14:27.45`	`octal`	`Found that`
`14:27.47`	`octal`	`http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel`
`14:27.49`	`wols`	`the important part is that files comes first`
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`14:28.15`	`wols`	`octal: probably need to update alsa. hda-intel is always under very heavy development`
`14:28.38`	`octal`	`You mean I need to compile the last drivers ?`
`14:29.06`	`wols`	`yes`
`14:29.11`	`cedric3`	`wols : very thanks`
`14:29.15`	`octal`	`ok`
`14:29.17`	`wols`	`maybe try and get them from sid or use a backported kernel`
`14:29.28`	`octal`	`k`
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`14:31.18`	`muskratmx`	`whats the best podcast software for debian?`
`14:32.26`	`tralala`	`muramasa, I am now`
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`14:33.03`	`muramasa`	`tralala, would you agree to have a small chat with me in private?:-)`
`14:33.06`	`harryv`	`hey. tried a bit of googling, no luck. anybody knows which driver i should use for the NC105i nic ?`
`14:33.50`	`tralala`	`muramasa, on #tralala`
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`14:34.26`	`Nyle`	`que pasa`
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`14:36.59`	`abrotman`	`!which driver`
`14:37.00`	`dpkg`	`methinks driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ .`
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`14:37.34`	Trevelyan`	`does anyone know why debianplanet.org has been down for so long?`
`14:37.47`	`abrotman`	`planet.debian.org ?`
`14:38.03`	Trevelyan`	`no thats a different site`
`14:38.06`	`harryv`	`dpkg: i got no system installed ..`
`14:38.13`	`harryv`	`doin a net install.`
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`14:38.40`	`harryv`	`great, talkin with a bot. (y)`
`14:39.05`	`abrotman`	`harryv: try alt-f2 or f3 .. activate the console .. see if lspci is there`
`14:39.19`	`harryv`	`ah yeah.`
`14:39.53`	`harryv`	`that's no fun to enter all that. oh. will give it a try`
`14:39.56`	`edneymatias`	`humm...i tried to connect through php and always the simplest script (connect then disconnect) ends with segmentation fault..`
`14:40.11`	`abrotman`	`harryv: you can do just one line`
`14:40.27`	`edneymatias`	`i saw postgres is configured by default to use ssl...and disabling that features solves the problem...`
`14:40.42`	`edneymatias`	`but...i can't stick without ssl..`
`14:41.06`	`BadRobot`	`hey guys,is there anyway to install Gdebi?`
`14:41.15`	`BadRobot`	`i can't find it from Synaptic`
`14:41.18`	`craigevil`	`apt-get install gdebi :)`
`14:41.24`	`BadRobot`	`ok htx`
`14:41.51`	`craigevil`	`may not be in etch though`
`14:42.16`	`abrotman`	`!info gdebi etch`
`14:42.20`	`dpkg`	`gdebi: (Simple tool to install deb files), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1.6 (etch), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 428 kB`
`14:42.29`	`abrotman`	`!why is gdebi not in testing`
`14:42.30`	`dpkg`	`gdebi is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gdebi`
`14:42.35`	`t04no`	`the last distupgrade of my debian-box(lenny+ some sid) removed the gnome-desktop-environment package and now the whole gnome stuff is easy prey for autoremove. what's behind this ? future planning ?`
`14:42.39`	`edneymatias`	`tracing the script execution i got libcrypto issues...`
`14:43.24`	`edneymatias`	`the current vertion is 0.9.8c-4etch1`
`14:43.32`	`BadRobot`	`damm,w/o Gdebi i need to install everything by hand`
`14:43.38`	`BadRobot`	`or manually`
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`14:45.28`	`harryv`	`ewh`
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`14:45.51`	`harryv`	`driver locator sugests tg3. when i try that one, the installer just goes back to 'detect nic' blabla`
`14:46.22`	`bolt_`	`I'm trying to build a new xorg.conf using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". However, after answering all the questions, the config file I end up with doesn't seem to contain even half of the information I entered. Amongst other things, the selected screen resolutions are missing. How can I get dpkg-reconfigure to put all the information into the config file?`
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`14:47.35`	`fedya`	`i have a computer with some of our old customer data on it, but we dont know the username/password to get into it, it has debian 3.0 installed with lilo bootloader`
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`14:47.59`	`fedya`	`i was thinking of trying single user mode, but it's using lilo instead of grub`
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`14:48.16`	`Jos`	`I ran into a problem since yesterday evening`
`14:48.30`	`pif`	`hi, I'm configuring a new dell poweredge 2900 for debian, anyone did that before?`
`14:48.33`	`Jos`	`The filesystem crashes, server stays up but most commands are unusable (and can't read/write)`
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`14:48.46`	`Jos`	`By coincidence, someone else had the same`
`14:48.47`	`Jos`	`https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/200747`
`14:48.53`	`Jos`	`He filed a bug report`
`14:48.58`	`fedya`	`pif: i have it on a couple PE 1500s`
`14:49.04`	`Jos`	`Anything I could do/check? The disc should be fine`
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`14:49.20`	`abrotman`	`!tell fedya about ifrp`
`14:49.24`	`pif`	`fedya: do they have perc5/6 controlers?`
`14:49.32`	`fedya`	`no`
`14:49.34`	`bolt_`	`pif: just ask your question`
`14:50.20`	`pif`	`to get JBOD from the perc6 controller what should I do? it's not explicit from the bios config panel`
`14:50.39`	`pif`	`I just want my kernel to see individual sata drives`
`14:50.40`	`fedya`	`thanks!`
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`14:54.43`	`cheesebob`	`Can I install debian on a hdd on one system and then switch the hdd to another system?`
`14:54.56`	`cast`	`yes`
`14:54.56`	`cheesebob`	`I've got one without a CD drive and one with :/`
`14:54.59`	`t00t`	`could try`
`14:55.10`	`t00t`	`better to add the cd drive to the other system?`
`14:55.13`	`cheesebob`	`there won't be any driver problems?`
`14:55.20`	`cheesebob`	`it's IDE other system has no IDE`
`14:56.42`	`tonyb2007`	`then how would you plug the hard drive in`
`14:56.43`	`abrotman`	`cheesebob: yes you can do that under most circumstances`
`14:57.52`	`tobias`	what environment variable modifies the -j option to make when running `debian/rules build` in a dpkg dir?
`14:58.00`	`bolt_`	`how can I see which packages depend on the package <foo>`
`14:58.15`	`bolt_`	`including those not installed`
`14:58.55`	`cast`	`reverse depends, mmm`
`14:59.25`	`bolt_`	`cast: my problem is that I keep installing some libs, and aptitude keeps wanting to remove them`
`14:59.30`	`cheesebob`	`tonyb2007, one has SATA and IDE, the other only SATA`
`14:59.35`	`cheesebob`	`the hdd is SATA`
`14:59.38`	`bolt_`	`i figure that's because i in theory have nothing that depends on them`
`14:59.39`	`cheesebob`	`amazing`
`14:59.43`	`bolt_`	`so i want to install something that does`
`14:59.48`	`bolt_`	`:/`
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`15:00.48`	`tobias`	`bolt_: just run apt-get install on them`
`15:01.00`	`cast`	`tobias: that won't help surely`
`15:01.05`	`bolt_`	`tobias: i did. they're still orphans`
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`15:01.17`	`bolt_`	`probably because they're libs`
`15:01.19`	`cast`	`bolt_: explicitly installing them with aptitude doesn't fix it?`
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`15:01.27`	`tobias`	`isn't there a way to mark packages as 'user selected' so aptitude will not try to remove them?`
`15:01.42`	`bolt_`	`cast: haven't tried aptitude yet. i use apt-get for installing. i'll try installing with aptitude`
`15:01.45`	`bolt_`	`sec..`
`15:02.22`	`bolt_`	`nope. still an orphan`
`15:02.23`	`cast`	`bolt_: ahh. use aptitude for installing, using apt-get fucks things up a little bit`
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`15:02.35`	`bolt_`	`cast: it didn't help :/`
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`15:02.47`	`cast`	`aptitude show foo`
`15:02.47`	`fedya`	`is there an ncurses based xconfigurator? it's telling me that it can't start x and attempts to diagnose the problem (no screens are found), asks if i want to start the configuration but then it seems to try to start x @ 1280x1024 and the monitor doesn't display it`
`15:02.53`	`cast`	`is it marked as automatically installed?`
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`15:03.01`	`bolt_`	`cast: i think the easiest would be to figure out what kinds of things that depend on the libs`
`15:04.05`	`nomadz`	`hello, i am new in debian (been using freebsd since 1995), is there a package for mod_security? i can't seem to find it`
`15:04.37`	`cheesebob`	`apt-cache search security\|grep mod`
`15:04.38`	`cheesebob`	`maybe?`
`15:04.46`	`bolt_`	`cast: yes, it's marked as automatically installed in "aptitude show foo"`
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`15:05.10`	`nomadz`	`cheesebob, nope :)`
`15:05.12`	`bolt_`	`cast: probably because it's a library`
`15:05.13`	`cast`	`bolt_: ok, so we just have to mark it as no instead of yes`
`15:05.26`	`cheesebob`	`:(`
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`15:05.41`	`cheesebob`	`nomadz, http://packages.debian.org/stable/`
`15:05.42`	`bolt_`	`cast: how?`
`15:06.27`	`abrotman`	`nomadz: is it builtin to the apache2 package now ?`
`15:06.32`	`cheesebob`	`libapache2-mod-security`
`15:06.46`	`cheesebob`	`i think it's built in`
`15:06.49`	`cheesebob`	`http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=mod+security`
`15:06.53`	`cheesebob`	`says they're all old`
`15:07.11`	`Decepticon`	`decepticon@decepticon:~$ sudo apt-get update`
`15:07.11`	`Decepticon`	`E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)`
`15:07.11`	`Decepticon`	`E: Unable to lock the list directory`
`15:07.14`	`cast`	`bolt_: man aptitude, search for mark`
`15:07.21`	`Decepticon`	`ive been getting this error for the past week`
`15:07.35`	`nomadz`	`i have totally no clue :) started debian yesterday (as i said, been using freebsd for a decade) but i have to tell you: I LOVE APT`
`15:07.40`	`nomadz`	`:P`
`15:07.52`	`cheesebob`	`Decepticon, did you restart`
`15:07.59`	`Decepticon`	`cheesebob i cant restart`
`15:08.09`	`cheesebob`	`Decepticon, do you have aptitude running or something similar?`
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`15:08.23`	`cheesebob`	`is there anything running in the background`
`15:09.02`	`cast`	`nomadz: you can use apt-file search to search for files in packages not installed`
`15:09.05`	`Decepticon`	`root 15683 0.0 0.2 3656 364 ? SNs Mar04 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/cr`
`15:09.05`	`Decepticon`	`on.daily/apt`
`15:09.17`	`Decepticon`	`thats been on since a week!!`
`15:09.26`	`Decepticon`	`am i reading that correct?`
`15:09.29`	`cheesebob`	`probably that then :P`
`15:09.34`	`cheesebob`	`yeah you are`
`15:09.43`	`Decepticon`	`how do i kill it, its root, why is cron stuck on that`
`15:09.50`	`cheesebob`	`no idea`
`15:09.59`	`cheesebob`	`sudo kill 15683`
`15:10.02`	`cheesebob`	`should work`
`15:10.20`	`flokuehn`	`Decepticon: you can also make an killall 15683`
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`15:11.16`	`Decepticon`	`hm i wonder why it got stuck, where do i check for the logs?`
`15:11.32`	`bolt_`	`cast: I tried doing aptitude unmarkauto foo, but it didn't help`
`15:11.32`	`flokuehn`	`/var/log/`
`15:11.58`	`cast`	`flokuehn: that doesn't work yo`
`15:12.14`	`cheesebob`	`the hell`
`15:12.46`	`flokuehn`	`cast: ???`
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`15:14.27`	`cast`	`bolt_: so does aptitide show foo reflect that? i also thought it could be a conflict issue`
`15:14.35`	`cast`	`flokuehn: killall pid does not work`
`15:15.01`	`flokuehn`	`cast: ah. you are right. killall just works with the name`
`15:15.06`	`flokuehn`	`cast: sorry my mistake`
`15:15.23`	`bolt_`	`cast: nope. it's still automatically installed`
`15:15.24`	`stevil`	`i'm wondering if it's possible to see which hop/router/firewall in between me and a host, drops/rejects the opening of a certain port? situation is i'm able to ping a host, and trying to figure out which firewall in between is dropping my connection, since i'm trying to open op the port`
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`15:18.12`	`enzo`	`maybe someone can help me, i'd like to create a script that checks firefox is running, so i do /usr/bin/firefox --display=:0 -remote 'ping()', but i get Failed to connect to X server`
`15:18.14`	`enzo`	`any idea ?`
`15:18.52`	`Magnetophon`	`Hello, is it possible to have binary packages from lenny in an etch system? i'm getting mixed info..`
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`15:19.14`	`Magnetophon`	`a problem with a compiler-upgrade....`
`15:20.20`	`cast`	`bug in aptitude manpage pisses me off`
`15:20.39`	`cast`	`Magnetophon: don't do that.`
`15:20.46`	`cast`	`Magnetophon: you'll fuck things up`
`15:20.56`	`cast`	`[trying to run lenny packages in etch]`
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`15:21.42`	`Magnetophon`	`cast: and if i use source packages?`
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`15:22.53`	`cast`	`then thats better`
`15:22.58`	`cast`	`what do you want to install?`
`15:23.25`	`bolt_`	`How can I find all the packages that use a certain lib?`
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`15:24.02`	`Magnetophon`	`cast: some dependancies of clam-networkeditor`
`15:24.18`	`Magnetophon`	`qt4, libc6, and opthers`
`15:24.29`	`Magnetophon`	`others`
`15:25.00`	`DexterF`	`is installing a kernel image from chroot mounted in another distro safe?`
`15:25.08`	`Magnetophon`	`clam-networkeditor is not even in the repos.`
`15:25.53`	`wols`	`DexterF: installing a kenrel image in a chroot?`
`15:26.11`	`DexterF`	`wols: slack running, deb partition mounted, chroot'ed there`
`15:26.27`	`cast`	`there a reason to not use a debian kernel?`
`15:26.38`	`wols`	`cast: missing drives.`
`15:26.48`	`wols`	`DexterF: I'd try to install the slack kernel manually and boot from it`
`15:27.07`	`wols`	`if it doesn't work: chuck it out again. if it does: time to find out how slack is different`
`15:27.15`	`flokuehn`	`bolt_: apt-cache showpkg`
`15:27.20`	`wols`	`possibly doing your own kernel compile`
`15:27.23`	`DexterF`	`wols: not what I meant: I'd like to install a debian kernel in debian while debian is not booted but rather mounted in slack and chroot is set to the deb root`
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`15:27.39`	`wols`	`DexterF: should be no problem`
`15:27.48`	`DexterF`	`ok, thanks`
`15:29.13`	`bolt_`	`flokuehn: yay! thanks`
`15:29.24`	`flokuehn`	`bolt_: np`
`15:29.48`	`Dantix`	`hi Sirs, I've needed to move a NFS shared folder to other disk in the same box. From that time, twice o more a day, the clients disconnects from that folder and issues "NFS Stale". This don't happens with others folder in the same box not moved. I've forced the fsid on exports file with no luck. What could be the workaround to fix it?`
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`15:31.29`	`Magnetophon`	`cast: after replacing deb with src-deb in the lenny lines of my sources.lst an trying to install again i get: E: Version '4.3.4-1' for 'libqt4-core' was not found`
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`15:32.21`	`[B3]alaK`	`hello`
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`15:32.58`	`alakx`	`Hello, how can i check, If i am under DDOS attack ?`
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`15:34.31`	`chops`	`So I'm getting slow network performance on a gigabit network -- 'nc -l < /dev/zero' is only transferring at 4-10 megabytes/sec. I've been trying to tune this at different points (my current sysctl.conf is at http://pastebin.com/m6a75d3aa). Anyone have any ideas for other things I can try?`
`15:35.12`	`cast`	`jumboframes maybe`
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`15:35.40`	`chops`	`Also, I'm using a bnx2 internal interface in a Dell PE2950 server... I notice that a popular thing to do is to replace the internal interfaces with an Intel PCI card. Would that make sense?`
`15:36.22`	`chops`	`cast: That's not an easy option, since I have a network full of Windows clients which can't easily be reconfigured to jumbo frames (which they would have to be, right?)`
`15:37.06`	`chops`	`cast: Besides, it should still work better than this, right? Or might my switch's packets per second be the bottleneck even if the server's not particularly loaded in sys or si or hi time?`
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`15:37.53`	`Mojo`	`Can I get some help with avant-window-navigator?`
`15:37.59`	`Mojo`	`its crashing on my Debian Etch laptop`
`15:38.17`	`chops`	`Huh. Now after 10-20 minutes of my 'nx' transfer going at 4-10 metabytes/sec, it's jumped up to 50 megabytes/sec :-/`
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`15:38.28`	`chops`	`s/nx/nc/`
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`15:38.32`	`chops`	`s/metabytes/megabytes/`
`15:38.33`	`cast`	`with nvidia integrated lan i get around 400Mbps, 1500 MTU [iirc]`
`15:38.39`	`Mojo`	`Anyone using Avant?`
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`15:39.36`	`cast`	`i just remember reading a guy moving to jumbo frames and almost doubling eth performance`
`15:39.37`	`SleepingSloth`	`hello again.... i've installed flash player 9 from adobe - with their own installer, but flash isnt working in iceweasel... any suggestions?`
`15:39.50`	`Mojo`	`why didnt u install it thru apt`
`15:40.05`	`chops`	`SleepingSloth: Install it through apt :-)`
`15:40.20`	`SleepingSloth`	`i tried that, no joy there either`
`15:40.42`	`SleepingSloth`	`there is no flashplugin-nonfree, so i tried libflash-mozplugin , and that didnt work`
`15:40.47`	`abrotman`	`SleepingSloth: put the .so in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ .. then restart all instances of iceweasel`
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`15:41.35`	`SleepingSloth`	`yeah - thats what their installer does abrotman`
`15:41.39`	`Mojo`	`are you in #flood`
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`15:41.46`	`Mojo`	`i can paste my apt source list if u want`
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`15:42.19`	`SleepingSloth`	`i have libflashplayer.so in the plugins directory, in short`
`15:42.54`	`Mojo`	`Well I never installed it from the adobe source so I wouldnt know how to make it work`
`15:42.59`	`Mojo`	`works with apt though :^)`
`15:43.20`	`Dantix`	`hi Sirs, I've needed to move a NFS shared folder to other disk in the same box. From that time, twice o more a day, the clients disconnects from that folder and issues "NFS Stale". This don't happens with others folder in the same box not moved. I've forced the fsid on exports file with no luck. What could be the workaround to fix it?`
`15:43.38`	`SleepingSloth`	`Mojo, I tried using apt first, with no joy. which package are you suggesting I try exactly?`
`15:44.06`	`Mojo`	`SleepingSloth: didnt u say u couldnt find the adobe package?`
`15:44.27`	`SleepingSloth`	`" there is no flashplugin-nonfree, so i tried libflash-mozplugin"`
`15:44.35`	`SleepingSloth`	`is what i said ;)`
`15:44.46`	`Mojo`	`because u didnt add the nonfree repo?`
`15:45.07`	`jelly`	`!flash`
`15:45.08`	`dpkg`	`[flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer`
`15:45.18`	`jelly`	`aaaa... savior of the universe!`
`15:45.19`	`SleepingSloth`	`packages.debian.org`
`15:46.04`	`Mojo`	`did u add a non-free repo??`
`15:46.16`	`SleepingSloth`	`Mojo. I have the non-free repo enabled.`
`15:46.47`	`SleepingSloth`	`Mojo. what package did you install using apt to get flash working? maybe that is a simpler question`
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`15:47.41`	`SleepingSloth`	`jelly :) only just saw that !!`
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`15:49.43`	`helo`	`why, when i set RUN_DAEMON in /etc/default/tftp-hpa to yes is there no tftp-hpa process running after a /etc/init.d/tftp-hpa restart?`
`15:50.08`	`Phil4`	`is it possible to get bash to execute a command and stay alive and interactive? http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=884`
`15:51.04`	`bmr`	`Phil4, not afaik - the pipeline from the echo has been closed (EOF) and that's interpretted as exit by the shell`
`15:51.15`	`bmr`	`you'd get the same thing if you typed Ctrl-D into an interactive shell`
`15:51.28`	`Phil4`	`it has a -c option but that does similar`
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`15:52.38`	`Phil4`	`it works if I use --rcfile and have the command in that file, bmr, but that's not very desirable`
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`15:53.25`	`Mojo`	`!gnash`
`15:53.26`	`dpkg`	`i heard gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/`
`15:53.51`	`SleepingSloth`	`come on mate`
`15:54.03`	`bmr`	`Phil4, no, that's doing something different - that's launching an interactive shell using your script file as an rc (startup) file.`
`15:54.07`	`bmr`	`not the same thing at all`
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`15:55.03`	`DexterF`	`in /etc/apt/preferences: does Package: * have to come first/last whaen I have other entries?`
`15:55.23`	`SleepingSloth`	`Mojo - do you know what package you installed with apt?`
`15:55.41`	`Nyle`	`DexterF, usually first`
`15:55.57`	`DexterF`	`thanks Nyle`
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`16:01.38`	`gigo`	`hi. I often have difficulty to find which package contains a certain file. For example, right now I am facing an error "Can't load './Wx.so' for module Wx". Now how can I search which debian package has got this Wx.so file?`
`16:01.38`	`Nyle`	`!pinning`
`16:01.38`	`dpkg`	`If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning.`
`16:01.39`	`Nyle`	`gigo, packages.debian.org`
`16:01.39`	`gigo`	`Nyle: is that related to my question?`
`16:01.42`	`Nyle`	`gigo, /msg dpkg search`
`16:01.45`	`Nyle`	`gigo, no`
`16:01.47`	`gigo`	`Nyle: oh. thanks.`
`16:04.20`	`zafy`	`hi everyone, I'm looking for a backport for python-imaging`
`16:04.29`	`zafy`	`I'm using python2.5 in etch`
`16:04.29`	`helo`	`where does /scripts/nfs-premount exist, and how can i modify it?`
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`16:06.42`	`chops`	`zafy: Tried the simple sid backport?`
`16:06.58`	`zafy`	`chops, yeah but I'm not sure I'm doing it properly,`
`16:07.17`	`chops`	`zafy: Why do you say that?`
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`16:07.32`	`zafy`	`ok i'll walk you thourgh what I've done okay ?`
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`16:08.01`	`zafy`	`when I do : apt-get build-dep python-imaging I get : E: Build-Depends dependency for python-imaging cannot be satisfied because the package python-all-dbg cannot be found`
`16:08.29`	`zafy`	`chops, so I tried installing that package but it couldn't be found, so I tried to apply the simple sid backport to it`
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`16:10.02`	`zafy`	`chops, .`
`16:10.03`	`zafy`	`?`
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`16:11.12`	`madclicker`	`is postfix running chrooted in etch?`
`16:11.47`	`wols`	`cat /etc/postfix/master.cf and you will know`
`16:11.55`	`wols`	`by default it is`
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`16:12.52`	`vvd`	`does anyone have a free server with unlimited bandwidth and root access for me?`
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`16:13.07`	`chairmeleon`	`hey :) after some googling, it seems to me that the raw1394 module has been removed from the stock debian(Lenny) kernel. how do I do if I want to capture video from my firewire DVcam in Kino, without recompiling my kernel?`
`16:13.07`	`helo`	`i'm getting messages from IP-Config that is guessing all kinds of wrong ip addresses when nfs-premount runs`
`16:13.17`	`wols`	`vvd: don't do this`
`16:13.38`	`wols`	`helo: what is IP-Config?`
`16:13.46`	`vvd`	`wols: you never know... :)`
`16:14.49`	`helo`	`wols: not sure... it is part of this pxe package i guess`
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`16:15.27`	`Dantix`	`hi Sirs, I've needed to move a NFS shared folder to other disk in the same box. From that time, twice o more a day, the clients disconnects from that folder and issues "NFS Stale". This don't happens with others folder in the same box not moved. I've forced the fsid on exports file with no luck. What could be the workaround to fix it?`
`16:16.08`	`chops`	`zafy: That all sounds fine`
`16:16.26`	`zafy`	`chops, yeah except when I try to build that package I get a child error`
`16:17.09`	`zafy`	`apt-get -b source python-all-dbg ->Build command 'cd python-defaults-2.4.4 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed. E: Child process failed`
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`16:17.58`	`chops`	`zafy: Can you pastebin the full error that you get trying to backport python-all-dbg?`
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`16:18.16`	`zafy`	`chops but it seems it's trying to build using python2.4 which is weird`
`16:18.55`	`chops`	`zafy: IIRC 2.4 is still the default for sid`
`16:18.56`	`Borbus`	`I want to have some users to have SVN access, but not have a shell. What is the best way to do this? Should I set their shell as /bin/false in /etc/passwd or deny them access with ssh or both?`
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`16:19.08`	`Lynx51`	`Hello`
`16:19.16`	`zafy`	`chops, I want 2.5 though`
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`16:19.48`	`zafy`	`http://pastebin.com/m520f7602`
`16:19.56`	`zafy`	`chops, http://pastebin.com/m520f7602`
`16:20.17`	`chops`	`zafy: That's fine. You should be setting things up as close to etch as possible, and where that fails, as close to sid as possible.`
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`16:20.39`	`Borbus`	`Why do you need Python 2.5? You can get things from future if you need them`
`16:20.49`	`babilen`	`Borbus: the best way would be to serve SVN via apache ... they won't need local user accounts that way`
`16:20.57`	`chops`	`zafy: The error you pasted looks like a bug in python-defaults (the sid version should build on etch, or specify its dependencies such that it'll refuse to try to build if it needs something that's not in etch). I would file a bug.`
`16:21.29`	`zafy`	`chops, I did change the default python to 2.5on my system could that be breaking it ?`
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`16:21.34`	`Borbus`	`babilen: so I just make some normal auth accounts for Apache?`
`16:21.36`	`chairmeleon`	`does anyone know how to get dvgrab/Kino working in Lenny with kernel 2.6.22?`
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`16:21.58`	`chops`	`zafy: It could`
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`16:22.02`	`zafy`	`crap`
`16:22.07`	`chops`	`zafy: You shouldn't change the default python version`
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`16:22.22`	`chops`	`zafy: If it were as easy as "change the default python version and everything works", they'd have done it in sid :-)`
`16:22.26`	`zafy`	`chops, too late for that, any idea how I can put it back ?`
`16:22.30`	`chops`	`zafy: Since lenny is planned to release with python 2.5 as the default`
`16:22.49`	`zafy`	`chops, should I do a lenny backport ?`
`16:22.57`	`zafy`	`cuz that sounds dangerous`
`16:23.01`	`babilen`	`Borbus: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.serverconfig.httpd.html`
`16:23.07`	`chops`	`zafy: lenny backport is safer than a sid backport`
`16:23.21`	`zafy`	`chops, hu`
`16:23.30`	`zafy`	`so I should do a lenny backport then ?`
`16:23.40`	`babilen`	`Borbus: yes`
`16:23.46`	`zafy`	`chops, wan you help me putting python 2.4 back as default ?`
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`16:24.13`	`chops`	`zafy: How did you change the default in the first place? I'm not very familiar with python, so I may of limited usefulness.`
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`16:24.33`	`Borbus`	`babilen: thanks`
`16:24.34`	`zafy`	`I think I just changed the ln in the usr/bin directory`
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`16:25.47`	`Borbus`	`/usr/bin/python -> python2.4`
`16:26.12`	`alex12`	`fuck, can anyone help me setup ssh keys between my two servers, im having an incredibly fustrating time with this`
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`16:26.20`	`zafy`	`Borbus, ok, as I'm feeling real insecure here, can you write the exact command to do that ?`
`16:26.27`	`alex12`	`server a) ive run: ssh-keygen -t dsa`
`16:26.39`	`zafy`	`(I sound like a fucking nOOb I know)`
`16:26.44`	`Szeraax`	`lol`
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`16:27.05`	`Borbus`	`zafy: to make it link back to python 2.4 do ln -sf python2.4 python`
`16:27.12`	`alex12`	`i then copy the the pub key generated on server a) to server b)`
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`16:27.14`	`zafy`	`Borbus, as root ?`
`16:27.14`	`Borbus`	`Working in /usr/bin`
`16:27.16`	`clusty`	`hey`
`16:27.19`	`Borbus`	`Yes as root`
`16:27.21`	`zafy`	`ok`
`16:27.28`	`Borbus`	`With sudo preferrably`
`16:27.37`	`clusty`	`how can I mount a http location using the fuse modules?`
`16:27.39`	`alex12`	`server b) i then copy this pub key into the authorized file in the root/.ssh/ directory`
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`16:27.47`	`clusty`	`...some equivalent to curlftsfs?`
`16:27.57`	`clusty`	`curlftpfs*`
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`16:28.29`	`alex12`	`am i doing anything wrong so far?`
`16:28.30`	`Borbus`	`Oops, sorry`
`16:29.36`	`cahoot`	`alex12: you intend to ssh as root?`
`16:29.41`	`alex12`	`yes`
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`16:30.49`	`cahoot`	`you configged sshd to accept root logins?`
`16:30.55`	`alex12`	`yes`
`16:31.04`	`alex12`	`okay lets setup this as another user in`
`16:31.10`	`alex12`	`called, alex for example`
`16:31.35`	`cahoot`	`did you increase ssh's verbosity to look for any clues/error?`
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`16:31.52`	`alex12`	`am i doing anything wrong with what i said above?`
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`16:32.10`	`alex12`	`server a) as root - ive run: ssh-keygen -t dsa, i then copy the the pub key generated on server a) to server b) , on server b) i then copy this pub key into the authorized file in the root/.ssh/ directory`
`16:32.21`	`alex12`	`replace root with user: alex`
`16:32.31`	`kciR`	`anyone know of open source mailinglist software which has full support for virtual domains, and can look up configuration stuff via a database backend?`
`16:32.49`	`cahoot`	`not unless the key got mangled in some way - how did you copy?`
`16:32.54`	`alex12`	`scp`
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`16:33.59`	`cahoot`	`run ssh -vv <server> and see where it fails?`
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`16:34.44`	`bertvdp`	`hi, I have a one page pdf document here and I want to convert it to a jpg image but evince can't do that aparantly, so how can I do that ?`
`16:34.53`	`cahoot`	`convert?`
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`16:35.02`	`cahoot`	`in imagemagick`
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`16:35.41`	`bertvdp`	`how do you mean in imagemagick, isn't that a library ?`
`16:35.55`	`cheesebob`	`no`
`16:35.56`	`cahoot`	`convert comes with imagemagick`
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`16:36.04`	`cheesebob`	`it's MAGICK!`
`16:36.18`	`bertvdp`	`and it can turn pdfs into images ?`
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`16:36.35`	`cahoot`	`AFAIK IM can turn anything into images`
`16:37.13`	`bertvdp`	`what's the command/program ?`
`16:37.22`	`cahoot`	`convert`
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`16:37.23`	`deleted`	`i was foolish enough to run a badly written 'make clean' as root. it deleted my /lib directory. i cannot chroot into my root directory due to linking problems. how do i reinstall the contents of this directory?`
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`16:38.17`	`chops`	`deleted: Might be best to look at your dpkg directory for what packages are installed, set up a new chroot using debootstrap with those packages, and then copy /lib over`
`16:38.26`	`chops`	`deleted: And then run debsums to check for other problems`
`16:38.45`	`deleted`	`chops: right, i'll look into this. thanks.`
`16:38.49`	`chops`	`deleted: np`
`16:39.16`	`bertvdp`	`okey, imagemagick works but it screws the colors :S`
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`16:39.53`	`cahoot`	`ok sorry for misdirected advice`
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`16:40.24`	`bertvdp`	`how do you mean ?`
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`16:41.16`	`cahoot`	`nothing more than my suggestion was of no use to you`
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`16:49.13`	`SleepingSloth`	`what ftp client would anyone recommend?`
`16:49.33`	`SleepingSloth`	`filezilla from the repos is doing my nut - not CTRL+R reconnect`
`16:49.38`	`muramasa`	`tralala, around again?;)`
`16:49.47`	`Justin`	`SleepingSloth: lftp`
`16:49.48`	`SleepingSloth`	`^no ctrl+R reconnect, I meant`
`16:50.02`	`helo`	`i'm pxe booting, and when it tries to mount the nfs share i can see the mount request on the server, but the client gets all kinds of i/o errors, etc... but i don't see any indication of problems in log files on the server. where can i look to try for more info?`
`16:50.12`	`tralala`	`muramasa, did it work?`
`16:50.12`	`SleepingSloth`	`Justin, thanks, I'll check it out`
`16:50.28`	`zafy`	`chops, okay so I've reverted the default version, a,d the python imagning seems to work with python2.4 but when I try a conversion with python2.5 it says the jpeg decoder can't be found`
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`16:50.47`	`muramasa`	`tralala, afraid not :-( worked without a problem to backport the kernel, but didn't help with the sound`
`16:51.04`	`SleepingSloth`	`Justin - I should rephrase that... ftp client with a gui`
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`16:51.53`	`Justin`	`SleepingSloth: you _should_ learn how to use lftp`
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`16:52.33`	`SleepingSloth`	`I know how to use CLI ftp. it's laborious, hence I want a gui ftp client.`
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`16:52.54`	`zafy`	`chops, but it's weird because the import Image does work`
`16:53.00`	`zafy`	`so the python-imaging is there`
`16:53.04`	`zafy`	`I don't get it`
`16:53.47`	`Justin`	`SleepingSloth: lftp supports history and tab completion, it isn't laborious`
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`16:54.17`	`muramasa`	`tralala, mind giving me some pointers to what we did the last time? :-)`
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`16:55.23`	`Duddle`	`is there a not-too-hard way to get a new kernel on your machine, but still be able to load the old one if the new kernel fails?`
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`16:55.51`	`gigo`	`where can I get Wx.so file (wxWidgets)`
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`16:56.10`	`muramasa`	`Duddle, backporting 22-4 works easily :-)`
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`16:56.53`	`zafy`	`chops ???`
`16:57.18`	`SleepingSloth`	`Justin, if you're honest, you'll accept the fact that a graphical interface is quicker, in all but the most extreme cases`
`16:57.49`	`SleepingSloth`	`Justin, maybe you should explore some yourself...`
`16:58.09`	`cheesebob`	`SleepingSloth, depends on what you're doing`
`16:58.26`	`cheesebob`	`if i want to convert a .jpg to a .png the cmd line is far faster`
`16:58.31`	`cheesebob`	`FAR faster`
`16:58.39`	`SleepingSloth`	`cheesebob, hence... "extreme"`
`16:58.52`	`cheesebob`	`well that's not that extreme for me`
`16:58.54`	`martillo`	`i am trying to boot a live dvd of Artistx to install it, and get a grub prompt, is this normal?`
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`16:58.59`	`cheesebob`	`i do web design a lot`
`16:59.05`	`SleepingSloth`	`oh - we're talking about ftp clients`
`16:59.10`	`cheesebob`	`so converting to .jpg is a common occurance`
`16:59.11`	`Mojo`	`why is fileconversion faster without a gui`
`16:59.20`	`cheesebob`	`SleepingSloth, no`
`16:59.23`	`Mojo`	`u mean multiple files?`
`16:59.28`	`cheesebob`	`convert image.png image.jpg`
`16:59.32`	`SleepingSloth`	`no - that is what I was talking about with Justin`
`16:59.34`	`cheesebob`	`done`
`16:59.48`	`cheesebob`	`oh`
`16:59.50`	`Mojo`	`file->save as..-> file.jpg`
`16:59.51`	`Mojo`	`done?`
`16:59.58`	`SleepingSloth`	`I'm not knocking cli in general, just in ftp clients ;)`
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`17:00.12`	`Justin`	`SleepingSloth: except that with lftp I can login, browse to a directory, and download a file before your gui client is finished starting`
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`17:00.27`	`Justin`	`SleepingSloth: and I can do that without even looking at the screen`
`17:00.29`	`cheesebob`	`Mojo, wait for image app to load, open image, save as, type filename`
`17:00.29`	`SleepingSloth`	`justin: you need a better computer....`
`17:00.56`	`cheesebob`	`cli ftp clients in generally are shit compared to GUI ones`
`17:01.09`	`cheesebob`	`just because distinguishing between the remote and local can get confusing`
`17:01.13`	`wols`	`cheesebob: not true. lftp, ncftp`
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`17:02.20`	`muramasa`	`hm, any way of seeing a list of commands dpkg has? I remember it telling me about a kernel upgrade (etch -> newer kernel)`
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`17:02.48`	`tralala`	`muramasa, you need a kernel source for .24 (get the .deb from any mirror) and /msg dpkg kp mantra`
`17:02.59`	`cheesebob`	`wols, in general it's confusing though`
`17:03.30`	`muramasa`	`tralala, oh that was the one we used last time!`
`17:03.37`	`SleepingSloth`	`whatever. this argument is totally pointless - each to their own. my honest viewpoint is that in the vast majority of cases, a gui makes life quicker and easier, I have enough experience with each to know what works for me, so - can someone answer my question, instead of trying to 'educate' me?`
`17:04.25`	`tralala`	`muramasa, this plus adding --initrd and copying the config file`
`17:04.32`	`mquin`	`generalised 'is better than' arguements are futile`
`17:04.37`	`mquin`	`use the right tool for the right job`
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`17:04.56`	`SleepingSloth`	`mquin, was that aimed at me?`
`17:05.25`	`mquin`	`SleepingSloth: just a generalised observation ;)`
`17:05.44`	`SleepingSloth`	`mquin, good, because i never made any such assertion ;)`
`17:06.38`	`tralala`	`muramasa, or if you want to trade bandwidth for effort you might get a kmuto cd image and directly install the kernel from there`
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`17:08.51`	`muramasa`	`tralala, the other one worked last time, so might as well try that one first! however, where can i find the .deb files?`
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`17:09.20`	`drwahl`	`is there a way to check a dmesg from a previous boot? lets say... last saturday?`
`17:10.30`	`vvd`	`SleepingSloth: anyone mentioned OR have you tried gftp?`
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`17:10.51`	`tralala`	`muramasa, kmuto's kernel is the same so it will work just as well. The trick is that you'll have to download ~200 megs to get it.`
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`17:11.01`	`pgpkeys`	`only if it's listed in /var/log/kernel \| messages \| syslog`
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`17:11.43`	`muramasa`	`tralala, ah, might as well try that one then :-) however, do I have to burn it, or are there any virtual cd drives for linux?`
`17:11.44`	`SleepingSloth`	`vvd, i have tried gftp in the past - and not been very impressed... i was hoping there was some poject out there i hadnt found one way or another... like deluge is to torrents`
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`17:12.35`	`mquin`	`muramasa: you can use the loopback device driver to mount disk images`
`17:12.51`	`mquin`	`"mount /path/to/file.iso /cdrom -o loop"`
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`17:13.22`	`muramasa`	`awesome, thanks mquin`
`17:13.24`	`tralala`	`muramasa, /msg dpkg kmuto`
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`17:15.37`	`vvd`	`SleepingSloth: i havent tried this one but debian has it: foff (http://foff.sourceforge.net/)`
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`17:16.17`	`SleepingSloth`	`vvd... ooh, i'll have a look at that. thanks`
`17:16.48`	`vvd`	`^^)`
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`17:17.12`	`vvd`	`SleepingSloth: tell me if its good :)`
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`17:18.00`	`xinming_`	`Anyone here have a local mirror setup for debian? And install packages from local mirror using Giga bits lan?`
`17:18.32`	`SleepingSloth`	`vvd, its called FOFF, which is a class name and a good start...!!`
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`17:19.01`	`xinming_`	`Just wonders, If any of you ever met the problem of "E: Method http has died unexpectedly!" when using lan, It's fine normally.`
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`17:19.36`	`xinming_`	`But when they are downloading, they will suddenly stopped with error "E: Method http has died unexpectedly!"`
`17:20.12`	`xinming_`	`It's ok for me to just start it again several times, But just fill abit curious if there is a fix around.`
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`17:23.02`	`Haris`	`Hello`
`17:23.13`	`zafy`	`anyone knows where the libjpeg62 is installed or how I can find it out ? because when I try locate or find I can't seem to find it`
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`17:23.35`	`Haris`	`scp is not working on etch. I'm running it -> scp user@IP:/path/to/file/I/want/to/download`
`17:24.09`	`martillo`	`i purchased a live dvd distro of Artistx and it boots to a grub prompt, can someone tell me whats wrong?`
`17:24.14`	`\amethyst`	`zafy: do you have the libjpeg62 package installed?`
`17:24.40`	`Haris`	`when I run it in this way, it shows me the options, like I missed something`
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`17:25.16`	`stew`	`Haris: you didn't tell it where to copy the file to`
`17:25.27`	`zafy`	`\amethyst, yeah actually I just found it`
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`17:25.49`	`\amethyst`	`zafy: in general dpkg -L packagename will list all the files in an (installed) package`
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`17:26.01`	`stew`	`Haris: it takes a list of at least two files, the last one is the destination`
`17:26.03`	`\amethyst`	`zafy: for non-installed packages you can use apt-file list packagename`
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`17:26.07`	`zafy`	`thing is I'm trying to run the python imaging module with python2.5 bu for some reason it won't find the jpeg encoder`
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`17:26.17`	`zafy`	`whereas it works fine in python2.4`
`17:26.23`	`\amethyst`	`Haris: give "." (current directory) as the second argument`
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`17:26.39`	`\amethyst`	`zafy: what is the error you get?`
`17:27.33`	`zafy`	`\amethyst, encoder jpeg not available`
`17:27.54`	`drwahl`	`why would an nfs share disconnect and log "refused connect from 127.0.0.1:32785 to procedure ypproc_match"? i tried restarting portmap, but that didnt seem to fix the issue`
`17:28.08`	`zafy`	`and if I try to install it using python2.5 I get that the JPEG support is not available`
`17:28.14`	`dclarke`	`what is the preferred CPU+system activity monitor in Debian Linux? For character displays I mean .`
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`17:30.06`	`\amethyst`	`dclarke: there's top, or do you mean a different kind of monitor?`
`17:30.12`	`harryv`	`any experience with hp proliant ml110 g5 ? i'm having quite some issues getting the nic to work..`
`17:30.17`	`SleepingSloth`	`vvd, sadly it's already frozen a couple of times on me`
`17:30.19`	`harryv`	`seems like support was removed at some point`
`17:30.21`	`dclarke`	`top .. that is it ?`
`17:30.26`	`dclarke`	`okay`
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`17:30.38`	`SleepingSloth`	`dclarke, i like conky`
`17:30.44`	`dclarke`	`I thought there was some nifty thing like ntop or htop or something with a bit of color in it`
`17:30.52`	`zafy`	`\amethyst, any ideas ?`
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`17:32.24`	`\amethyst`	`zafy: not really, unfortunately? what version of python-imaging do you have>?`
`17:32.40`	`zafy`	`I downloaded 1.1.6`
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`17:32.52`	`helo`	`ok... i finally got pxe booting + nfs mounting to work, but now when it tries to get a address via dhcp it loses its nfs connection and stops`
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`17:36.44`	`Haris`	`WEll`
`17:36.49`	`Haris`	`I uploaded a 100 MB file through scp`
`17:36.56`	`Haris`	`but I can't figure out its syntax for download`
`17:37.02`	`_Austin_`	`hi2all) i have a just simple problem,but i forgot how to solve it.. how i can recover my root password?`
`17:37.12`	`Nielsen`	`Haris: reverse params ...`
`17:37.13`	`Haris`	`stew: aha!`
`17:37.29`	`Nielsen`	`Haris: scp user@host:/path/to/file /path/to/destination`
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`17:37.34`	`SleepingSloth`	`vvd, any suggestions on mp3/mp4 player other than xmms?`
`17:37.56`	`Nielsen`	`_Austin_: can you sudo to root?`
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`17:38.06`	`Haris`	`Nielsen: Thankyou, it works now`
`17:38.07`	`_Austin_`	`no, I cant login to a system`
`17:38.07`	`path_`	`SleepingSloth, gui or console-based ?`
`17:38.21`	`_Austin_`	`there are no any accounts except root`
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`17:38.29`	`amphi`	`SleepingSloth: I find quodlibet pleasant enough`
`17:38.32`	`_Austin_`	`(and accounts with shell /bin/false)`
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`17:38.49`	`Nielsen`	`_Austin_: change the kernel param, add init=/bin/bash, change password in the command prompt and reboot`
`17:39.16`	`SleepingSloth`	`path_, amphi gui preferably - just something I can get decent codec support with, that doesnt crash often. CLI control would be nice though - i need to train some keyboard keys`
`17:39.29`	`amphi`	`_Austin_: you'll want to do mount / -o remount,rw before running passwd`
`17:39.40`	`SleepingSloth`	`path_, amphi i'll give quodlibet a go - used it in the past i think.`
`17:39.45`	`_Austin_`	`i'll try now:)`
`17:39.54`	`Nielsen`	`amphi: ah yes`
`17:40.27`	`_Austin_`	`thank you very much:))`
`17:40.57`	`path_`	`SleepingSloth, try rhythmbox + some applet :) or gnome-listen`
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`17:43.08`	`muramasa`	`tralala, I got the .iso downloaded now`
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`17:43.33`	`tralala`	`muramasa, good, now mount it and find the linux image`
`17:43.55`	`muramasa`	`tralala, guess I should copy the linux-image, linux-headers and linux-kbuild .deb files?`
`17:43.59`	`Nielsen`	`_Austin_: any luck?`
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`17:45.26`	`jkl`	`Is there a md5 method (or something else) to validate package with the repositories? (I read about key fingerprint).. but Im just looking for something else.`
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`17:45.39`	`GPenguin`	`what file do i need to poke, when a new gnome-terminal starts in the wrong home directory?`
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`17:46.07`	`jim`	`I have my / partition as an lvm lv... it;s ext3, is it possible to resize it in place?`
`17:46.12`	`SleepingSloth`	`vvd, FYI FOFF no good`
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`17:46.21`	`Nielsen`	`GPenguin: perhaps the $HOME variable?`
`17:46.39`	`jkl`	`GPenguin, I think u should check the "/home" directory.. in /etc/passwd`
`17:46.40`	`GPenguin`	`Nielsen: ah, thats defined in ~/.bashrc?`
`17:46.55`	`harryv`	`whats the name of the installer executable?`
`17:47.00`	`Nielsen`	`GPenguin: it might be, yes, or you can define it yourself`
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`17:47.07`	`GPenguin`	`cause i thought i was smart and copied the entire home directory of my old user to my new one`
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`17:47.27`	`Nielsen`	`GPenguin: did you change ownership of the files and folders?`
`17:47.47`	`GPenguin`	`yeah, i did that`
`17:48.19`	`jim`	`harryv: installer for debian? not sure it has a name... but is it that you want to install debian and maybe you have a linux now?`
`17:48.21`	`jkl`	`Well, I think you are asking about.. "Start a terminal.. and the "/home" directory (pwd) is something different".. so I think u should look which "home" directory is assign to the user who start the gnome-terminal.`
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`17:48.42`	`Nielsen`	`GPenguin: check if the bash files define the wrong variable. grep HOME .bashrc`
`17:49.07`	`harryv`	`jim: it sure does. you can start it from your brand new (or rusty old) debby system. just forgot the name.`
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`17:49.23`	`jim`	`oh, hmm`
`17:49.43`	`Haris`	`scp is nice`
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`17:49.55`	`_Austin_`	`Nielsen: all done, thanks a lot4help:))`
`17:49.58`	`Haris`	`I gather it works over ssh's encryption?`
`17:50.05`	`tralala`	`muramasa, just install them using dpkg -i`
`17:50.06`	`jim`	`the things I do know about are busybox (which is a buncha unix commands built into one executable) and debootstrap`
`17:50.07`	`harryv`	`yeh`
`17:50.19`	`Nielsen`	`_Austin_: you're welcome`
`17:50.24`	`Nielsen`	`Haris: aye`
`17:50.48`	`Haris`	`yet it provides MUCH faster data rate than ftp over ssh`
`17:50.52`	`Haris`	`or vpn`
`17:51.16`	`Nielsen`	`...which is why i like sshfs so much`
`17:51.24`	`travelmatee`	`helo im planning to install debian on my system . i see that dere r 3 dvds for debain 4.is the first dvd is alone required to install the base system ?`
`17:51.27`	`Nyle`	`sshfs eh`
`17:51.36`	`Haris`	`I'm getting about 2 Mbps international bandwidth on it`
`17:51.43`	`jim`	`yeah, scp directly uses an ssh connection it establishes for the purpose`
`17:51.44`	`Haris`	`that I don't get via vpn or ftp over ssh`
`17:51.51`	`muramasa`	`tralala, getting some error while dpkg -i on linux-headers tho, htrmf`
`17:51.52`	`Haris`	`o_O`
`17:51.53`	`harryv`	`jim: not the installer anyway. just the setup utility`
`17:52.07`	`Mojo`	`travelmatee: only one cd is required to install debian`
`17:52.07`	`jkl`	`Anyone, a clue about verify-systems (like md5) for debian package? (apt-get way.. i mean)`
`17:52.11`	`jim`	`ohh`
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`17:52.21`	`jim`	`I wish I knew that too`
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`17:52.24`	`travelmatee`	`ad wat about the dvds ?`
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`17:52.28`	`Haris`	`how is scp different than vpn or ftp over ssh? Is it like cisco's ip cef option, checking the first packet and switching the rest at a faster rate?`
`17:52.33`	`GPenguin`	`seems not bash related, maybe something gnome config related`
`17:52.37`	`travelmatee`	`and wat abt the dvds ?`
`17:52.56`	`Nielsen`	`Haris: i think it's the encryption and the vpn server throttling to keep up`
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`17:53.04`	`jim`	`travelmatee: and wat about the wat about the wat about the wat about the wat about the wat?`
`17:53.05`	`rjent`	`Greetings, anyone know where to install the kde-profile created by kiosktool to make them stick on lenny?`
`17:53.11`	`GPenguin`	`i think i will remove .gnom* and restart`
`17:53.20`	`GPenguin`	`brb`
`17:53.25`	`Nyle`	`you must be a ubuntu user`
`17:53.30`	`Haris`	`Nielsen: Are you sure?`
`17:53.40`	`maligor`	`Haris, probably because there's no extra encapsulation, scp probably works directly ontop of the ssh stream`
`17:53.41`	`Haris`	`Nielsen: ..because if this is correct, I can bash people in the US for it :p`
`17:53.42`	`Nielsen`	`Haris: not at all, but i guess`
`17:53.44`	`Nyle`	`don't bother learning to fix your problem`
`17:53.45`	`Nyle`	`no`
`17:53.49`	`Nyle`	`just wipe and reboot`
`17:53.50`	`jim`	`I still watnt to try ubuntu installer just to see what it looks like`
`17:54.01`	`maligor`	`Haris, I say probably because I don't really know specifics`
`17:54.10`	`Nyle`	`sigh`
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`17:54.22`	`travelmatee`	`what are the contents of the dvd2 and dvd3 ? additional packages ??`
`17:54.30`	`Nyle`	`!cd contents`
`17:54.30`	`dpkg`	`To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.`
`17:54.43`	`tralala`	`muramasa, "some error"?`
`17:54.44`	`Nyle`	`maybe there`
`17:54.45`	`GPenguin`	`Nyle: who must be an ubuntu user?`
`17:54.49`	`jim`	`harryv: do you remember exactly the first screen you see?`
`17:55.19`	`muramasa`	`tralala, dependency error hehe, trying to find the correct file`
`17:55.21`	`jim`	`GPenguin: one each, for each person who uses ubuntu`
`17:55.54`	`travelmatee`	`okey thnx dpkg`
`17:56.05`	`GPenguin`	`heh`
`17:56.20`	`Nyle`	`I have a beard`
`17:56.33`	`jim`	`but it's not true that you are a beard`
`17:56.33`	`Nyle`	`ok`
`17:56.38`	`stew`	`travelmatee: yes, just additional packages. you only need them if you need to install those packages onto a machine that can't get onto the internet to download those packages itself`
`17:56.38`	`Nyle`	`that wasn't not supposed to go to #debian`
`17:56.39`	`Nyle`	`:(`
`17:56.42`	`Nyle`	`haha`
`17:56.44`	`GPenguin`	`i openly admit that i tried Ubuntu. but after 2 hours i wanted my Debian back`
`17:56.52`	`tralala`	`muramasa, the you need a couple of headers - one specific and one generic, this is most likely the dependency error`
`17:57.09`	`muramasa`	`tralala, http://pastebin.com/mb2bccda`
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`17:57.37`	`jim`	`just remember... that to a degree, ubuntu helps debian`
`17:57.52`	`stew`	`GPenguin: don't change the HOME variable. what happens. you start gnome-terminal, and it starts in a directory other than your $HOME?`
`17:57.57`	`GPenguin`	`oh yeah, i am not one of these anti-ubuntu people`
`17:57.57`	`stew`	`ubuntu is off-topic`
`17:58.07`	`jim`	`they are probably the biggest group that tests debian sid`
`17:58.14`	`GPenguin`	`stew: yes it starts in the old user's $HOME`
`17:58.16`	`t00t`	`<idiotmode> how to see how much bandwith up/down your ethernet card has used? </idiotmode>`
`17:58.30`	`Nyle`	`t00t, ifconfig ?`
`17:58.34`	`pgpkeys`	`jim doesn't matter. they have their own resources such as ubuntu.org, #ubuntu and the like`
`17:58.34`	`Nyle`	`or that only show packats?`
`17:58.35`	`cahoot`	`ifconfig?`
`17:58.41`	`Nyle`	`it shows something`
`17:58.46`	`jim`	`I;m not asking for resources`
`17:58.53`	`pgpkeys`	`this channel has an issue with supporting anything ubuntu specific`
`17:58.54`	`stew`	`GPenguin: the old user? what is the old user?`
`17:59.05`	`jim`	`I'M NOT ASKING FOR SUPPORT`
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`17:59.11`	`Nyle`	`cahoot, yup ifconfig shows only the packets`
`17:59.15`	`stew`	`jim: please drop it. and don't use all caps`
`17:59.15`	`travelmatee`	`but stew two dvds full of aditional packages ??? dat big ? i currently run fedora 8 .its only one dvd with all the adtnl packages .. does debian has theese much packages ??`
`17:59.16`	`t00t`	`no such package ifconfig?`
`17:59.25`	`Nyle`	`I guess I don't know how to find out the bw`
`17:59.29`	`stew`	`travelmatee: yes. that big`
`17:59.31`	`Nyle`	`goddamn i feel noobish`
`17:59.33`	`cahoot`	`Nyle: I'm just acting as a sloow echo - nm`
`17:59.41`	`stew`	`t00t: run /sbin/ifconfig`
`17:59.41`	`Nyle`	`cahoot, heh`
`17:59.42`	`pgpkeys`	`jim then drop any commentary about what ubuntu does ad doesn't do. end of story. this isn't an ubuntu channel`
`17:59.45`	`pgpkeys`	`duh`
`17:59.47`	`stew`	`pgpkeys: drop it`
`17:59.57`	`jim`	`I didn't think he heard or understood what I was saying... evidently I needed to say it louder and slower`
`18:00.05`	`Nyle`	`guys`
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`18:00.08`	`t00t`	`still nothing stew`
`18:00.14`	`Nyle`	`I'm feeling the patience running thin in someone`
`18:00.14`	`sdrr`	`hi all, when booting a domU in xen it tries to modprobe button, thermal, ac, battery etc, ... which all fail because the devices are not there. The domU is working but I want to get rid of those errors, how do I do that ?`
`18:00.21`	`Nyle`	`boot is being put on i think`
`18:00.22`	`Nyle`	`ya'll chill`
`18:00.24`	`stew`	`t00t: what do you mean? you don't get output when you run that command? you get an error?`
`18:00.37`	`Nyle`	`t00t, run ifconfig as root`
`18:00.48`	`GPenguin`	`stew: i did a cp /home/old/* /home/new and i am using the new account now, but a new gnome-terminal starts in /home/old`
`18:00.49`	`Nyle`	`hi stew`
`18:01.03`	`t00t`	`ah thx Nyle/stew :)`
`18:01.05`	`stew`	`GPenguin: how are you starting gnome-terminal?`
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`18:01.24`	`GPenguin`	`via the ALT+F2 thingie`
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`18:01.40`	`stew`	`GPenguin: what directory where you in when you started it?`
`18:01.42`	`Nyle`	`but t00t my man I think ifconfig shows only # of packets and not the actual bandwidth`
`18:01.45`	`Nyle`	`I think`
`18:01.59`	`Nyle`	`oh nope`
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`18:02.05`	`Nyle`	`nm, it show sin bytes`
`18:02.13`	`stew`	`t00t: you want total accumulated number of bytes? or the current, instantaneous bandwidth usage?`
`18:02.19`	`tralala`	`muramasa, so install it`
`18:02.23`	`t00t`	`bytes send up and down`
`18:02.24`	`t00t`	`:p`
`18:02.30`	`GPenguin`	`stew: from what directory i started gnome you mean?`
`18:02.36`	`stew`	`GPenguin: no`
`18:02.57`	`stew`	`GPenguin: what is "the ALT+F2 thingie"`
`18:03.04`	`Nyle`	`stew, run box`
`18:03.06`	`GPenguin`	`i use the run application dialog thingie to launch my stuff`
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`18:03.11`	`Nielsen`	`Run dialog`
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`18:03.39`	`jim`	`GPenguin: you -could- use a shell :)`
`18:03.41`	`harryv`	`jim: base-config`
`18:03.46`	`harryv`	`seems to be obsolete though`
`18:03.46`	`jim`	`ahh`
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`18:03.55`	`pgpkeys`	`hrmm. need to remember how to notify debian project of an email address change when you're the upstream source for a package.`
`18:04.02`	`jim`	`yeah, I thought that went away with base-files`
`18:04.14`	`GPenguin`	`jim: the whole problem is that i want a shell when i use the run application dialog thingie to launch gnome-terminal :-)`
`18:04.23`	`Nyle`	`pgpkeys, contact the package maintainer`
`18:04.33`	`harryv`	`haven't been using debian for a year or so. quite out of touch. or two years. or who knows.`
`18:04.38`	`jim`	`GPenguin: do you have a panel?`
`18:04.43`	`stew`	`GPenguin: how are you loggin in? via a DM or are you logging into a VT and running startx?`
`18:04.47`	`GPenguin`	`but i already experienced a problem with it when i run a shell scripts. something is wrong with that run application dialog thing`
`18:04.49`	`pgpkeys`	`christ I'm stupid :/ Nyle agreed`
`18:04.49`	`liable`	`pgpkeys: email the maintainer. which package?`
`18:05.00`	`pgpkeys`	`liable libpam-pgsql`
`18:05.09`	`Nyle`	`package. main.tain.er.`
`18:05.13`	`pgpkeys`	`i was the maint before primoz took it over.`
`18:05.16`	`liable`	`!maint libpam-pgsql`
`18:05.20`	`dpkg`	`libpam-pgsql: Primoz Bratanic <primoz@slo-tech.com>`
`18:05.25`	`GPenguin`	`stew: i boot into console mode, login as user and startx there`
`18:05.26`	`pgpkeys`	`Nyle: i. understand.`
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`18:05.34`	`stew`	`GPenguin: what directory did you run startx from?`
`18:05.40`	`GPenguin`	`from $HOME`
`18:05.40`	`Nyle`	`pgpkeys, oh.. just thought i'd slow it down... j.k`
`18:05.41`	`Nyle`	`:)`
`18:05.45`	`pgpkeys`	`;)`
`18:06.14`	`t00t`	`hmm netstat gives segmentation fault :(`
`18:06.47`	`GPenguin`	`i feel like blaming the run application dialog thingie. it somehow has issues with environment settings. i experienced that with the Second Life viewer`
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`18:07.17`	`jim`	`can I resize an ext3 partition (my / which is on an LV) while it's mounted?`
`18:07.31`	`stew`	`jim: you can make it larger, but not smaller while it is mounted`
`18:07.48`	`stew`	`jim: (man resize2fs)`
`18:07.57`	`jim`	`thanks, that's what I needed :)`
`18:08.18`	`GPenguin`	`brb`
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`18:09.36`	`helo`	`with a pxe booting nfs root machine, how is it supposed to bring up network devices without breaking the nfs connection?`
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`18:10.19`	`Nielsen`	`helo: caching files locally`
`18:10.36`	`muramasa`	`tralala, hehe, now I have a new problem ;)`
`18:10.38`	`muramasa`	`linux-headers-2.6.24-1-486 depends on linux-headers-2.6.24-1-common (= 2.6.24-4~mtu1); however:`
`18:10.38`	`muramasa`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:10.42`	`ingo86`	`hi`
`18:10.49`	`Nyle`	`I have a problem with my debian box... if anyone could take a peek here and help me figure out the issue. http://paste.debian.net/50948`
`18:10.56`	`SexyKen`	`What does the "NETWORK" variable really mean within the interfaces file?`
`18:11.14`	`Nyle`	`I don't know how I lost access /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat`
`18:11.15`	`jim`	`muramasa: which is your uname -r?`
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`18:11.17`	`helo`	`when dhcp runs, for example, it cannot write to the local lease info after reconfiguring the network because that file is on nfs`
`18:11.17`	`Nyle`	`apparantly`
`18:11.28`	`GPenguin`	`there. starting with a new gnome config fixed it :-p`
`18:11.39`	`muramasa`	`jim, 2.6.22-4-486`
`18:11.39`	`Nielsen`	`SexyKen: there are different variables that define the setup for a network... network, host, broadcats and subnet`
`18:11.52`	`muramasa`	`jim, currently trying to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.24 :-)`
`18:11.56`	`liable`	`muramasa: is that a lenny kernel?`
`18:12.10`	`stew`	`SexyKen: the network address, you shoudn't specify it unless you are doing something non-standard and really know what you are doing`
`18:12.11`	`tralala`	`liable, from a kmuto intaller`
`18:12.22`	`liable`	`cool`
`18:12.37`	`Cripps`	`I have an "Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)" Sound card, and I followed dpkg's advice and ran "m-a a-i alsa; alsa force-reload", and I'm still having issues with being able to get sound output on my laptop speakers, but not on my headphones when they're plugged in. I've been looking through google, and I haven't found a working solution for my issue yet. It occurs to me that there should be an "options" entry in /et`
`18:12.38`	`Cripps`	`c/modprobe.d/sound or /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base ... can anybody here help me to figure out how to get this working properly?`
`18:12.57`	`SexyKen`	`stew: So do you think I should just enter IP Address AND Netmask?`
`18:12.59`	`muramasa`	`liable, which one of them?`
`18:13.01`	`Nielsen`	`Cripps: tried alsamixer?`
`18:13.01`	`SexyKen`	`Skip network and broadcast?`
`18:13.12`	`stew`	`SexyKen: yes, skip network and broadcast`
`18:13.13`	`liable`	`muramasa: the 22-4`
`18:13.18`	`muramasa`	`liable, 2.6.22-4-486 is backported, so yes`
`18:13.20`	`Nyle`	`I have a problem with my debian box... if anyone could take a peek here and help me figure out the issue. http://paste.debian.net/50948 . debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission denied. However, aptitude/apt-get still work if done by root`
`18:13.20`	`Nielsen`	`SexyKen: network is the 0 ip for the subnet`
`18:13.23`	`Cripps`	`Nielsen, that was the first thing I tried`
`18:13.26`	`stew`	`Cripps: show us the output of "amixer"; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin`
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`18:13.30`	`Nyle`	`oohhhhhhhh I'm an idiot! I think`
`18:13.33`	`liable`	`muramasa: but not officiall.`
`18:13.40`	`Cripps`	`stew, k, I'll have that up in a minute.`
`18:13.43`	`subsume\|work`	`Anyone know a tool for pastebin'ing a file and linking it to an IRC channel?`
`18:13.45`	`stew`	`Nielsen: not all subnets have a "0 ip"`
`18:13.50`	`subsume\|work`	`Or can this not be done except per channel?`
`18:13.57`	`Nyle`	`nevermind it was a simple problem, tasksel wasn't being run as root`
`18:13.58`	`Nyle`	`goddamit`
`18:14.07`	`Nielsen`	`stew: even a /30 has a network address ;)`
`18:14.17`	`stew`	`Nielsen: ok, but what is a "0 ip" then?`
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`18:14.25`	`Nyle`	`0.0.0.0?`
`18:14.53`	`Nielsen`	`the network adress ... should i find my OSI papers for you all to read? ;)`
`18:14.55`	`jim`	`link to a channel? does that mean you want to make that file be a communicaton to the people on the channel, on a moreorless permanent basis?`
`18:15.31`	`Cripps`	`stew, the output is pasted at: http://www.pastebin.ca/938513`
`18:15.33`	`jim`	`what's the network address of a /31?`
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`18:15.47`	`Nyle`	`jim, he has to look at his papers`
`18:15.52`	`jim`	`now many hosts can you get? :)`
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`18:16.01`	`Nyle`	`give him a couple of minutes`
`18:16.01`	`subsume\|work`	`jim: I want to be able to send a file on my server to pastebin and have that file placed into IRC. I've seen this done. Maybe its an IRC bot function`
`18:16.09`	`stew`	`jim: the lower of the two, no hosts`
`18:16.16`	`Nielsen`	`a /30 subnet has 4 usable adresses, the network, the first host, the second hos and the broadcast. /30 uses the subnet mask 255.255.255.252`
`18:16.19`	`subsume\|work`	`I can't find anything in debian that will pastebin a file and result in a pastebin link`
`18:16.35`	`Nyle`	`subsume\|work, console/cli pastebin/`
`18:16.36`	`Nyle`	`?`
`18:16.53`	`SexyKen`	`Nielsen: Doesn't that mean it actually has 2 usable IP's?`
`18:16.53`	`helo`	`Nielsen: how can i make this local copy?`
`18:16.58`	`jim`	`subsume\|work: there;s a perlpaste script, I think it works with pastebin.de`
`18:17.01`	`Nielsen`	`SexyKen: indeed`
`18:17.03`	`stew`	`Cripps: your "master" channel is muted`
`18:17.13`	`subsume\|work`	`Nyle: translate that to human for me? =)`
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`18:17.20`	`subsume\|work`	`Nyle: ignorant dialect, please.`
`18:17.50`	`stew`	`SexyKen: yes`
`18:17.50`	`Cripps`	`stew, yes, it is. I did that. When it's not muted the sound comes out of the laptop speakers, I want it to come out of my headphones when they're plugged in.`
`18:17.54`	`Nyle`	`!pastewitoutx`
`18:17.58`	`Nyle`	`!pastewithoutx`
`18:17.58`	`dpkg`	`[pastewithoutx] you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste`
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`18:18.11`	`Nyle`	`eh that is useless`
`18:18.19`	`jim`	`yeah, that's not it`
`18:18.19`	`Nyle`	`ahh`
`18:18.22`	`Nyle`	`!pastebin pipe`
`18:18.22`	`dpkg`	`Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl.`
`18:18.30`	`jim`	`that's it`
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`18:18.42`	`stew`	`Cripps: i would not expect anything to come out of the headphones when master is muted`
`18:19.19`	`jim`	`I thought there was another perl module that was needed for that`
`18:19.20`	`Cripps`	`stew, yeah, granted. It just so happens that muting master is the last thing I did ... the results are the same when master is unmuted.`
`18:19.28`	`Nielsen`	`SexyKen: you might want to try installing ipcalc to see the different setups for subnets, hosts and addresses ;)`
`18:19.34`	`Cripps`	`stew, in a moment I'll paste the unmuted amixer output`
`18:19.35`	`jim`	`maybe it's picked up in the deps`
`18:20.01`	`HSorgYves`	`morning, what's the difference between apache2-mpm-prefork and apache2-mpm-worker?`
`18:20.03`	`stew`	`Cripps: that's fine. if it doesn't work while unmuted, i don't know`
`18:20.10`	`stew`	`Cripps: what version of alsa-source do you have installed?`
`18:20.17`	`Nyle`	`!pastercat`
`18:20.17`	`dpkg`	pastercat is, like, a hack that lets you upload data to a <paster> when you're stuck without an easy way to copy-and-paste into a browser. Use the command: eval `wget -O- https://secure.dlitz.net/pastercat.sh \| sh`
`18:20.31`	`Nyle`	`wth`
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`18:21.05`	`jim`	`hmm, gotta go, electrical work`
`18:21.13`	`Cripps`	`stew, I know that after "m-a a-i alsa" I'm running alsa version 1.0.16 ... would I be correct in assuming that this would be the same version of the source?`
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`18:21.42`	`stew`	`Cripps: probably`
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`18:22.11`	`Cripps`	`stew, then I have 1.0.16 :)`
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`18:22.43`	`SexyKen`	`What exactly is the purpose of the netmask?`
`18:22.55`	`SexyKen`	`In my case, a /20. Netmask would be 255.255.240.0 - why?/What?`
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`18:23.09`	`Canariss`	`hey`
`18:23.11`	`Canariss`	`quick question`
`18:23.20`	`Nyle`	`hey`
`18:23.24`	`Nyle`	`quick answer`
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`18:23.29`	`ingo86`	`hi`
`18:23.31`	`maligor`	`SexyKen, to know where the gnomes deliver the packages to`
`18:23.32`	`dwon`	`SexyKen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netmask`
`18:23.32`	`Canariss`	`How come there are no more Lenny iso images available?`
`18:23.33`	`Cripps`	`stew: http://www.pastebin.ca/938520`
`18:23.42`	`Nyle`	`Canariss, WHAT!!!`
`18:23.47`	`Nyle`	`!d-i`
`18:23.47`	`dpkg`	`4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot.`
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`18:23.57`	`Cripps`	`that's the unmuted output`
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`18:24.17`	`Canariss`	`can't seem to find any for either x86 nor amd64 (which is what i want, but I could go with x86 as well)`
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`18:24.23`	`Nyle`	`Canariss, you're must be really high :)`
`18:24.33`	`GPenguin`	`Canariss: and you tried http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ ?`
`18:24.38`	`Nyle`	`Canariss, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/`
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`18:25.09`	`Nyle`	`Canariss, now I'm not so sure testing is a good for you`
`18:25.15`	`Canariss`	`haah very funny`
`18:25.17`	`Nyle`	`you might just want to stick to stable...`
`18:25.23`	`Canariss`	`try clicking on amd64`
`18:25.27`	`Canariss`	`no images to download`
`18:25.35`	`Canariss`	`same with x86`
`18:25.51`	`GPenguin`	`ah, empty :-)`
`18:25.52`	`Canariss`	`http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/`
`18:25.53`	`Nyle`	`so`
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`18:26.03`	`Nyle`	`Canariss, do you have an OS on the machine?`
`18:26.12`	`GPenguin`	`lets see if there was an announcement on the mailing lists`
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`18:26.24`	`Canariss`	`thanks gpenguin`
`18:26.27`	`eeccho`	`hi everyone. if anyone uses subversion, what's the place to put hooks into?`
`18:26.39`	`Nyle`	`Canariss, get a netboot minimal initrd/kernel, boot it with grub, specify kernel param priority=medium, pick testing during install`
`18:26.44`	`muramasa`	`tralala, dpkg -i on those files seem to have made it work, even without linux-headers! sound is working again :-)`
`18:26.51`	`ingo86`	`i have a problem with an external usb hard disk, connected to a debian server. Locally it goes fine but when I try to access it from my laptop (windows) after clicking on some folders i can see this error: impossible to access to xxx/xxx.the specified name is not accessible.`
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`18:26.59`	`Nyle`	`Canariss, as for iso, weird.`
`18:27.04`	`Nielsen`	`Canariss: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/ia64/iso-cd/`
`18:27.05`	`Canariss`	`thanks nyle, but I'm trying to set it up on my Desktop machine, which is only connected via WLAN`
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`18:27.22`	`Nyle`	`Nielsen, not ia64`
`18:27.28`	`Nyle`	`!ia64`
`18:27.28`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64`
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`18:27.32`	`Nyle`	`:/`
`18:27.34`	`Nielsen`	`http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/iso-cd/`
`18:27.42`	`Nyle`	`that is stable`
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`18:27.50`	`Nyle`	`not testing :/`
`18:27.51`	`Canariss`	`Nielsen: ia64 is itanium. noch x86/amd64`
`18:27.53`	`trombo`	`hi what kind of diary software do you use?`
`18:27.55`	`Nielsen`	`you want testing?`
`18:28.04`	`Nyle`	`trombo, I use journal in KDE`
`18:28.09`	`Nyle`	`kontact has a journal option`
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`18:28.22`	`Canariss`	`yes testing for amd64. well x86 could do as well`
`18:28.23`	`Nyle`	`trombo, you mean diary as in writing a daily diary/journal?`
`18:28.33`	`Nyle`	`Canariss, I just told you how to install it`
`18:28.34`	`SexyKen`	`Okay guys - I'm going to tell you the issue I'm having here. I have 2 Ethernet Interfaces configured. Eth0 is 64.0.0.30 - Gateway 64.0.0.1 (outside internet capable) Eth1 is 10.0.0.30 - Gateway 10.0.0.6 (Load Balancer - packet rewriting). Here is my situation. When a requests comes in for 64.0.0.39 (bound to load balancer) it is forwarded to 10.0.0.30. Since the request came from the load balancer - the request needs to be`
`18:28.40`	`SexyKen`	`sent back to the load balancer to be rewritten.`
`18:28.41`	`trombo`	`Nyle: yes`
`18:28.45`	`Nyle`	`Canariss, you can get a testing netboot or a testing netinst`
`18:28.53`	`SexyKen`	`I'm not sure why, but it seems that I can't have 2 gateways setup?`
`18:29.00`	`Nielsen`	`http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/`
`18:29.08`	`Nyle`	`http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/`
`18:29.12`	`Nyle`	`Canariss, ^^`
`18:29.28`	`stew`	`SexyKen: you can only have one default gateway per routing table, if you need more than one you need more routing tables: /msg dpkg split access`
`18:29.51`	`Nyle`	`!tell Canariss -about ig`
`18:30.07`	`Canariss`	`Nyle: just found those too.`
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`18:31.03`	`GPenguin`	`Canariss: maybe this one here fits: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468161`
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`18:31.37`	`trombo`	`Nyle: to write personal things, which software would be apt?`
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`18:31.55`	`stew`	`trombo: and you want to publish these things? or keep them secret?`
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`18:32.14`	`trombo`	`keep it secret`
`18:32.16`	`GPenguin`	`the mailing list itself at http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/ does not say much`
`18:32.23`	`Nyle`	`I just was looking through an ubuntu install of mine, and just for the heck of it, I looked inside /usr/share/reportbug/reportbug_submit.py and guess what, # Version 3.38ubuntu2; if kudos and smtphost == 'bugs.debian.org': smtphost = 'packages.debian.org'`
`18:32.33`	`Nyle`	`I know ubuntu is offtopic, but what the fuck?!`
`18:32.43`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: use a word processor?`
`18:32.54`	`Nyle`	`oh well, that is just very funny to me, nm`
`18:32.59`	`brewmaster`	`I have an issue with my HD and partitioning...`
`18:33.03`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: plus gpg for encryption maybe`
`18:33.09`	`GPenguin`	`heh`
`18:33.13`	`brewmaster`	`during the windows install, it detects that I have 2 partitions`
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`18:33.29`	`brewmaster`	`while in my debian install, it says that the whole drive is unallocated`
`18:33.29`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: or do you want to be able to access this remotely over the web?`
`18:33.34`	`Nyle`	`so ubuntu people make bugreports to debian?`
`18:33.40`	`Nyle`	`I don't get it`
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`18:33.46`	`stew`	`Nyle: please keep it on-topic`
`18:33.51`	`GPenguin`	`Nyle: they know the competence is on Debian side :-p`
`18:33.53`	`brewmaster`	`the question is, how can i recover the data from within debian?`
`18:33.56`	`Nyle`	`sigh yeh, my bad`
`18:34.01`	`Canariss`	`I'd say this somewhat is on topic`
`18:34.15`	`Canariss`	`lol @Gpenguin thouh :)`
`18:34.16`	`trombo`	`\amethyst: no me alone`
`18:34.48`	`Canariss`	`well anyhow`
`18:34.49`	`stew`	`Canariss: no, ubuntu packages are off-topic`
`18:34.50`	`Canariss`	`I'm off`
`18:34.52`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: Then I would say to use a word processor and chmod 600 the file so no other users on your system can read it`
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`18:35.05`	`Canariss`	`stew: ok`
`18:35.07`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: of course, if you let someone else use your account or the root account, they can read it`
`18:35.21`	`Canariss`	`Nobody in here happened to try ZImbra on Lenny yet??`
`18:35.29`	`Nyle`	`stew, but wouldn't debian care if its smtp server was being used by another distro? that is I think what I wanted to ask`
`18:35.49`	`stew`	`Nyle: #debian-bugs on irc.debian.org`
`18:35.55`	`Cripps`	`stew, so, do you have any other ideas for my sound issues, or do you know of any other resources I can hit up?`
`18:36.03`	`stew`	`Cripps: try #alsa`
`18:36.09`	`trombo`	`\amethyst: what do you mean with wordprocessor: openoffice?`
`18:36.11`	`Cripps`	`stew, okay. thanks.`
`18:36.38`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: openoffice, or abiword, or if it's just plain text, a text editor like vi, emacs, etc`
`18:36.49`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: whatever you use for writing text`
`18:37.07`	`floppypond`	`got a debian server over in germany, I'm cancelling service. what's the best way for me to shred the drive?`
`18:37.14`	`liable`	`if someone has acces to your box they can read your bios password even`
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`18:37.43`	`Nielsen`	`floppypond: shred /dev/hda migth work`
`18:37.45`	`stew`	`floppypond: man shred`
`18:38.04`	`stew`	`Nielsen: please don't guess`
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`18:38.23`	`Nielsen`	`floppypond: or you can dd it full of zeros`
`18:38.26`	`floppypond`	`oh wow, I was just using that as a turn of phrase, didn't know there was acutally something called shred`
`18:38.31`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: another possibility would be to set up a web server and a blog, but run it on localhost only (so it's not visible to the Internet) and password-protect it`
`18:38.32`	`floppypond`	`thanks`
`18:38.43`	`Nielsen`	`floppypond: yeah, read man shred`
`18:38.51`	`stew`	`floppypond: note that shredding the drive that contains your / partition is not a good idea`
`18:39.05`	`floppypond`	`it's all on the same drive :/`
`18:39.15`	`stew`	`floppypond: (which, I believe is what Nielsen was trying to get you to do)`
`18:39.15`	`\amethyst`	`floppypond: do you have any way to boot the server from another partition?`
`18:39.18`	`trombo`	`\amethyst: Which blog software?`
`18:39.19`	`floppypond`	`and I don't care about wrecking the drive`
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`18:39.30`	`chops`	`floppypond: Shred the files you care about, and don't worry overmuch about the filesystem itself?`
`18:39.31`	`floppypond`	`I backed up what I need to keep`
`18:39.46`	`chops`	`floppypond: Shredding the whole filesystem because you're switching hosting seems like overkill to me.`
`18:40.00`	`stew`	`floppypond: if you start shredding the partition you are booted from the system is likely to crash before it actaully shreds the files you care about, leaving them intact`
`18:40.11`	`floppypond`	`yeah, thats what I was thinking`
`18:40.34`	`chops`	`floppypond: Unless you believe that your hosting people are so malicious that they'll spend time with forensic tools trying to piece back together your partition so they can read your private files (and yet so incompetent that they haven't already made a copy of it :-)`
`18:40.34`	`floppypond`	`I just want to kill a few root directories`
`18:40.50`	`Nielsen`	`floppypond: so shred the directories recursively`
`18:41.02`	`floppypond`	`I don't WANT to shred the whole drive, but I don't care if I do, chops, thanks`
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`18:41.05`	`chops`	`floppypond: In all honesty, rm -rf on your data files is in all likelihood perfectly acceptable.`
`18:41.05`	`stew`	`chops: or that the next person that gets the server is malicious`
`18:41.14`	`XoX`	`why isn't it possible to copy char devices in /dev as non-root`
`18:41.20`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: there are all kinds: b2evolution, pyblosxom, wordpress, tdiary, ...`
`18:41.21`	`chops`	`stew: True`
`18:41.30`	`stew`	`XoX: what command are you running, what error are you getting?`
`18:41.37`	`XoX`	`cp -a`
`18:41.38`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: I haven't used enough to be able to recommend one over another`
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`18:41.44`	`XoX`	`cp -a /dev/ttyp8 ./`
`18:41.44`	`XoX`	cp: cannot create special file `./ttyp8': Operation not permitted
`18:41.49`	`chops`	`stew: And persistent, and knowledgeable, and has a lot of free time :-)`
`18:42.02`	`\amethyst`	`XoX: only root can create devices`
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`18:42.12`	`chops`	`stew, floppypond: I do agree that at least rm -rf on the data is probably warranted`
`18:42.26`	`floppypond`	`I'ma just shred the directories with my files in them`
`18:42.29`	`floppypond`	`like /www and /home`
`18:42.35`	`trombo`	`\amethyst: these are free ones?`
`18:42.36`	`chops`	`floppypond: That should be more than sufficient`
`18:42.44`	`tictac`	`it doesnt matter if the host keeps backups anyway.`
`18:42.53`	`stew`	`XoX: allowing a regular user to create block/char devices would be a grave security flaw`
`18:42.58`	`floppypond`	`yeah, I really don't care about going overboard`
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`18:43.03`	`stew`	`XoX: since that would allow a user to get full access to any hardware device`
`18:43.05`	`floppypond`	`not like it's wasting time or money`
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`18:43.12`	`chops`	`floppypond: nod`
`18:43.35`	`SerajewelKS`	`dosbox is acting weird with sound. sometimes it "switches" to playing static, as if the sound data is off by a bit or two, resulting in white noise with the same duration as the sound dosbox is playing. then it will switch back randomly. smells like a timing issue but i'm not sure how to debug.`
`18:43.39`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: yes, and they're all available as debian packages`
`18:43.49`	`\amethyst`	`trombo: at least in sid; I didn't check etch`
`18:43.54`	`chops`	`SerajewelKS: Checked the BTS?`
`18:43.59`	`SerajewelKS`	`chops: yes`
`18:44.08`	`trombo`	`\amethyst: I see. (: wordpress seems famous, right?`
`18:44.09`	`chops`	`SerajewelKS: File a bug, then?`
`18:44.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`i'm not a debian noob`
`18:44.20`	`SerajewelKS`	`chops: if "file a bug" is the best you've got...`
`18:44.32`	`chops`	`SerajewelKS: What, you want me to debug it in real time for you? :-)`
`18:44.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`chops: i'm here asking for help debugging the issue before i get that far`
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`18:44.41`	`SerajewelKS`	`chops: if you can, then yes`
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`18:44.46`	`el_mexicano`	`hi there`
`18:44.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`if not, please leave the canned replies at the door`
`18:45.05`	`chops`	`SerajewelKS: Filing a bug is actually _better_ than finding a workaround based on advice over IRC, since it means the problem has a chance of actually getting fixed in the package instead of just staying there waiting to bite someone else.`
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`18:45.13`	`floppypond`	`I guess I can't shred directories?`
`18:45.15`	`el_mexicano`	`how to check why my debian 4.0 r3 installation is so slow on internet?`
`18:45.17`	`floppypond`	`ahwell`
`18:45.30`	`floppypond`	`there's no recursive option`
`18:45.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`chops: and i will report a bug, with a workaround, if i find one`
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`18:45.52`	`chops`	`SerajewelKS: Whoa. I seem to have offended you. Huh. Okay; good luck.`
`18:45.57`	`muramasa`	`is there anyway to automatically mount my ntfs drive on startup? right now I have to type "ntfs-3g /dev/sda5 /mnt/ntfs -o force" everytime`
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`18:46.34`	`trombo`	`\amethyst: hey thanx alot!`
`18:46.49`	`chops`	`muramasa: /etc/fstab, or if that doesn't work for ntfs-3g, /etc/rc.local`
`18:46.50`	`SerajewelKS`	`chops: not so much offended, but i don't like getting answers to a question i didn't ask, especially when that answer smells of "i don't think i can help so i'm going to pretend i can by giving you canned replies"`
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`18:47.39`	`abrotman`	`muramasa: man fstab .. you want the auto optpion`
`18:47.41`	`chops`	`SerajewelKS: I didn't think of it as a "canned reply" so much as... well, the right answer. Anyway, good luck.`
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`18:48.12`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: if you don't like the answer you get, ignore them, using the /ignore feature if necessary, lets just please move on...`
`18:48.17`	`SerajewelKS`	`meh, i thought this channel was for more than "go here, go there, do this thing..."`
`18:48.18`	`XoX`	`stew, other than that regular users can create all files?`
`18:48.24`	`XoX`	`stew, other than char devices`
`18:48.45`	`muramasa`	`abrotman chops thanks`
`18:48.46`	`stew`	`XoX: they cannot create block devices either`
`18:48.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew: i'm not mad, not at all. i just figured an IRC channel was worth more than redirection to the BTS.`
`18:49.26`	`XoX`	`stew, so , char and block devices .. yes?`
`18:49.47`	`XoX`	`stew, cause i am creating a backup with a regular users , it keeps acl's in a file`
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`18:49.57`	`XoX`	`stew, but still needs to be able to create the files`
`18:50.15`	`stew`	`XoX: there is no reason to backup /dev or /proc or /sys`
`18:50.25`	`tictac`	`blah.`
`18:50.47`	`stew`	`XoX: there should be plenty of other files that should be backed up that a regular user cannot read, however. /etc/shadow for example`
`18:50.48`	`agx`	`is Luca Filipozzi around? i want to know if libnss-lwres package is suitable to use on a production machine in place of dnsmasq`
`18:50.49`	`tictac`	`any ideas why i cant <ctrl><alt><fX> to a diff virtual terminal?`
`18:51.09`	`tictac`	`i recently upgraded to lenny, if that matters..`
`18:51.11`	`SerajewelKS`	`tictac: if you are on a text VT, it's just <alt><fX>`
`18:51.21`	`XoX`	`stew, i meant the backup itself is read by root , but the destination is on a remote machine that is writing as a regular user`
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`18:51.50`	`XoX`	`stew, and it writes all files permissions in a file so i can restore with proper acls and permissions later`
`18:52.04`	`tictac`	`SerajewelKS: i cant do it from X`
`18:52.24`	`SerajewelKS`	`tictac: that is odd. do other keys work fine?`
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`18:52.52`	`tictac`	`SerajewelKS: actually no. most of the meta/ctrl/alt key functions dont work.`
`18:53.24`	`tictac`	`SerajewelKS: i recently had to --rebuild-tree which caused a bunch of files to become corrupt. do you have any idea what might have gotten borked that could cause this issue?`
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`18:54.19`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: tell him to check the BTS!`
`18:54.41`	`abrotman`	`tictac: standard qwerty US keyboard layout ?`
`18:54.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: shh, i'm having a hard enough time not making snide remarks myself!`
`18:54.53`	`abrotman`	`tictac: wait .. what is --rebuild-tree ?`
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`18:54.57`	`Nyle`	`stew, thanks man damn, #debian-bugs explained it fairly well`
`18:54.58`	`tictac`	`abrotman: yes.`
`18:55.04`	`SerajewelKS`	`tictac: you might try dpkg-reconfigure on the X server and selecting a different keyboard type`
`18:55.04`	`amphi`	`tictac: --rebuild-tree? shudder`
`18:55.07`	`abrotman`	`tictac: are you compiling X from source?`
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`18:55.23`	`stew`	`abrotman: no, he's using reiserfs`
`18:55.26`	`Nyle`	`stew, they use the script, only change its version nothing else, and use reportbug.conf`
`18:55.27`	`tictac`	`abrotman: an option to resierfsck that borks.. err i mean repairs your fs.`
`18:55.36`	`abrotman`	`ah .. i was thinking they had renamed "make world"`
`18:55.45`	`Nyle`	`tree rebuilding?`
`18:55.47`	`Nyle`	`who lost data?`
`18:55.56`	`abrotman`	`tictac: did it find any errors?`
`18:56.16`	`Nyle`	`I have a reiserfs 40gb /home somewhere on one of my boxes I'm sure`
`18:56.28`	`tictac`	`abrotman: yes.`
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`18:56.43`	`abrotman`	`tictac: and you wonder why no one takes reiserfs seriously :)`
`18:56.55`	`abrotman`	`tictac: does it deposit the broken bits in lost+found like ext ?`
`18:57.02`	`Nyle`	`abrotman, hey rignt now my nickname aint stoned ;)`
`18:57.08`	`Nyle`	`abrotman, it should, and yes afaik it does`
`18:57.39`	`Nyle`	`in fact that is a cheap/hack way to try and get data back from rfs too, rebuild tree, check lost n found`
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`19:00.18`	`Haris`	`People, I have an issue`
`19:00.33`	`Nyle`	`everyone has issues dude`
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`19:00.43`	`Haris`	`maybe this happens when iptables translates/MASQ IPs to public IPs`
`19:00.51`	`Haris`	`bind is causing problems`
`19:00.52`	`abrotman`	`Haris: my next appointment is at 5pm`
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`19:01.11`	`Nyle`	`abrotman, sounds like an issue to me`
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`19:01.41`	`Haris`	`plus this box latetly has not been accepting connections randomely for brief moments (a few seconds) throughout the day`
`19:01.58`	`Haris`	`I'm 100% sure, this is because I have 2 ISPs hooked into it`
`19:02.05`	`rahul`	`haha`
`19:02.15`	`Haris`	`has anyone seen problem before?`
`19:02.18`	`rahul`	`so you're doing something that's not supposed to work, and wondering why it doesn't work?`
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`19:02.43`	`Cripps`	`stew, I have my problem figured out ... I was onto something with the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base idea ... if this is an issue in the future, this document is very straightforward (no help from #alsa ;) : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto`
`19:02.54`	`Nielsen`	`Haris: are you using dhcp to configure the interfaces?`
`19:02.55`	`Nyle`	`rahul, I'll be 27 at midnight tonight`
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`19:03.05`	`rahul`	`Nyle: yeah, just saw that on my calendar`
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`19:03.26`	`rahul`	`actually, vaguely on topic, I'll be hanging with a bunch of programmers`
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`19:03.37`	`rahul`	`oy!`
`19:03.38`	`drwahl`	`is anyone aware of a site like pastebin, but for pictures/screenshots?`
`19:03.50`	`Nyle`	`!pastebin`
`19:03.50`	`dpkg`	`Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>`
`19:03.52`	`Haris`	`Nielsen: Nope, ALL static assignments. For some reason I dislike dhcp`
`19:03.52`	`rahul`	`being here gives me an idea for a SoC project`
`19:03.55`	`amphi`	`drwahl: picpaste.com`
`19:04.01`	`drwahl`	`ah, great, thanks!`
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`19:04.07`	`Nyle`	`rahul, what is this summer of code thing anyway`
`19:04.08`	`Haris`	`rahul: It is supposed to work`
`19:04.12`	`Nyle`	`rahul, you just code all summer long?`
`19:04.17`	`Nielsen`	`Haris: same.. was guessing it might be reloading the routing table..`
`19:04.25`	`Haris`	`naa`
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`19:04.31`	`Haris`	`I have quagga + ip route 2`
`19:04.36`	`rahul`	`Haris: only if your ISPs support you changing their routing`
`19:04.37`	`Haris`	`it can't be reloading routes`
`19:04.46`	`rahul`	`Nyle: it's like an internship`
`19:04.48`	`Haris`	`rahul: The ISP is not envolved in this case`
`19:04.54`	`rahul`	`Haris: then it definitely won't work`
`19:04.56`	`Haris`	`routing is done on this box`
`19:05.02`	`Haris`	`haha`
`19:05.04`	`Nielsen`	Haris: have you tried checking the logs`
`19:05.04`	`Haris`	`well, it does`
`19:05.11`	`rahul`	`Haris: ok, if it works, stop complaining`
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`19:05.19`	`Haris`	`Nielsen: well, I don't see anything unusual`
`19:05.36`	`Nyle`	`rahul, I just want a simple little cozy life in a small town in the country somewhere in the south`
`19:05.40`	`Nyle`	`rahul, trying to intern for that`
`19:05.44`	`Nielsen`	`Haris: what happened at the exact time of the 'outage'?`
`19:05.45`	`rahul`	`heh`
`19:05.54`	`stew`	`Haris: when its not accepting connections, what happens? do you get a "connection refused" or a timeout?`
`19:06.08`	`Nielsen`	`can you ping it?`
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`19:06.11`	`rahul`	`Haris: and how far does a traceroute get?`
`19:06.36`	`rahul`	`Haris: and which port are you trying to connect to?`
`19:06.43`	`rahul`	`Haris: on which ISP's IP?`
`19:07.18`	`Haris`	`Nielsen: rahul: I'll have to check the ping the request timeout/connection refused part`
`19:07.25`	`Haris`	`when I telnet, I don't get a connection`
`19:07.29`	`Haris`	`that's as far as I checked`
`19:07.33`	`rahul`	`telnet to what port?`
`19:07.38`	`Haris`	`80`
`19:07.39`	`Nielsen`	`Haris: does it do it if you only have one of the ISP connections up?`
`19:07.44`	`rahul`	`checked the web server logs?`
`19:07.52`	`rahul`	`what does "don't get a connection" mean?`
`19:07.56`	`stew`	`Haris: wait, if you get a connection, then what isn't working?`
`19:07.59`	`Haris`	`Nielsen: Yes, I'll double check to make sure though`
`19:08.10`	`rahul`	`stew: he said "don't" :)`
`19:08.11`	`Haris`	`stew: Well, the box randomely chooses not to answer at times`
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`19:08.23`	`stew`	`Haris: it just times out?`
`19:08.46`	`Haris`	`for example, I have port 80 redirected to squid on port 3128 via iptables`
`19:09.00`	`Haris`	`sometimes I don't get a connection when I hit port 80`
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`19:09.04`	`Haris`	`like telnet mail.yahoo.com 80`
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`19:09.24`	`stew`	`Haris: what happens when you doing get a connection? does it timeout? do you get a "connection refused"?`
`19:09.32`	`rahul`	`oh boy`
`19:09.38`	`rahul`	`so another variable in there`
`19:09.56`	`Nyle`	`rahul, go lay down man, you're not helping`
`19:09.59`	`rahul`	`this is for outgoing connections?`
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`19:10.07`	`sparky`	`I just installed debian etch on a system with a sata drive and an ide drive. I partitioned the sata drive, then it installed the bootloader to the ide drive. how do I install the bootloader to the sata drive so I can take the ide drive out?`
`19:10.10`	`rahul`	`Nyle: find me a cute chick to lay down with :P`
`19:10.18`	`Nyle`	`sigh ahhhh boy`
`19:10.20`	`stew`	`it must be for outgoing, i have a feeling he's not working for yahoo`
`19:10.21`	`rahul`	`heh`
`19:10.44`	`rahul`	`if he is, I'm selling my stock`
`19:11.26`	`Nyle`	`stocks...`
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`19:12.46`	`Nyle`	`man I am slowly getting kinda sick of all this and I'm ready for a more primitive life... I guess soon as I get my citizenship I'm gonna go live in pakistan and try not to worry bout stocks and interest and food with hormones ... (ot yes, but chan is dead) I'm done.`
`19:12.50`	`Nyle`	`=D`
`19:13.00`	`Nielsen`	`lol`
`19:13.18`	`rahul`	`actually, there's plenty of stocks and interest in pakistan now`
`19:13.26`	`rahul`	`more interest... microloans`
`19:13.52`	`rahul`	`hopefully that'll get the lower class some opportunity... anyway... /me looks at Haris`
`19:13.55`	`Haris`	`stew: When I get a connection, it works well`
`19:13.58`	`Nyle`	`rahul, Ilaqa Gher (not inside pakistan gov. jurisdiction)`
`19:14.09`	`Nyle`	`well here he is`
`19:14.18`	`plut0moon`	`I just installed debian etch on a system with a sata drive and an ide drive. I partitioned the sata drive, then it installed the bootloader to the ide drive. how do I install the bootloader to the sata drive so I can take the ide drive out?`
`19:14.21`	`Nyle`	`this is interesting let me read his problem`
`19:14.24`	`rahul`	`Haris: ok, so when it works it works`
`19:14.35`	`rahul`	`Haris: when it doesn't work...?`
`19:14.49`	`Nyle`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:14.55`	`stew`	`plut0moon: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz`
`19:15.02`	`Nyle`	`plut0moon, whatever it is called, and try grub-install`
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`19:15.14`	`Haris`	`stew: Having said that, I have noticed recently, images don't show for some websites and do for others. Websites don't load properly on the first time, but pressing Ctrl+F5 2-3 times makes it load properly`
`19:15.25`	`Nyle`	`plut0moon, zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz`
`19:15.46`	`Haris`	`sometimes it would load the wbesite properly on first attempt, sometimes IE would say, page cannot be displayed and then on refreshing, would load it just fine`
`19:15.58`	`Sero`	`I have a very old server running sarge because it has unmet dependencies, so apt is broken. Can't get it to upgrade using apt/dpkg -- how can I fix unmet dependencies manually?`
`19:15.59`	`Haris`	`I'm not sure if that's squid or the box`
`19:16.07`	`rahul`	`Haris: read squid logs and find out`
`19:16.10`	`Haris`	`but when it doesn't accept connections on port 80, that tells me its the box`
`19:16.17`	`Nyle`	`hey I run squid too`
`19:16.17`	`rahul`	`Haris: we can't help you if you give us no useful information`
`19:16.18`	`stew`	`Sero: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin`
`19:16.23`	`Haris`	`rahul: nothing out of the ordinary in squid cache.log`
`19:16.30`	`rahul`	`Haris: which means what?`
`19:16.38`	`plut0moon`	`bah... grub-install /dev/sda seemed to work. was trying to use grub shell. KISS, right? still dunno why the grub shell didn't work...`
`19:16.55`	`Haris`	`Let me give an example`
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`19:17.04`	`Haris`	`I have a website: sinaco.com.pk`
`19:17.13`	`Nyle`	`hey pakistani website`
`19:17.14`	`Nyle`	`cool`
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`19:17.23`	`Nyle`	`pakistan ftw!`
`19:17.24`	`Haris`	`I am sitting on ADSL connection that's set as primary route to internet on that box`
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`19:17.39`	`Haris`	`Here, I can resolve this wbesite just fine (dig +trace sinaco.com.pk)`
`19:17.47`	`el_mexicano`	`no one can help on my slow bandwith problem on internet?`
`19:17.48`	`Haris`	`but on that box, I can't via the same ISP`
`19:17.56`	`Nyle`	`el_mexicano, hmm`
`19:18.06`	`rahul`	`Haris: why on earth do you think that having two internet connections at the same time will help you do?`
`19:18.11`	`Nyle`	`02:45 < el_mexicano> how to check why my debian 4.0 r3 installation is so slow on internet?`
`19:18.13`	`rahul`	`er "what on earth"`
`19:18.21`	`Haris`	`rahul: I'll leave that to your imagination ;)`
`19:18.22`	`Haris`	`lol`
`19:18.25`	`Haris`	`:p`
`19:18.30`	`Haris`	`load balancing`
`19:18.31`	`Haris`	`is one`
`19:18.32`	`rahul`	`Haris: IOW, you're making us waste our time`
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`19:18.38`	`Nyle`	`el_mexicano, hmm... isp sucks?`
`19:18.46`	`rahul`	`Haris: thanks for stealing 15 minutes of my life :(`
`19:18.58`	`Nyle`	`el_mexicano, maybe shared bandwidth? low isp bandwidth?`
`19:18.59`	`rahul`	`and throwing it in the garbage`
`19:19.03`	`el_mexicano`	`no, ist just this debian box, i got several debian boxes without the probleme!`
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`19:19.20`	`rahul`	`el_mexicano: same hardware on all?`
`19:19.21`	`Nyle`	`el_mexicano, try a diff network card?`
`19:19.24`	`el_mexicano`	`i changed the switch, the network cable and the nic`
`19:19.30`	`Nyle`	`check the network driver for bugs on bts`
`19:19.32`	`Nyle`	`? maybe`
`19:19.35`	`rahul`	`el_mexicano: maybe it's the MTU`
`19:19.37`	`Sero`	`apt-get upgrade`
`19:19.37`	`Nyle`	`hm`
`19:19.37`	`Sero`	`Reading Package Lists... Done`
`19:19.37`	`Sero`	`Building Dependency Tree... Done`
`19:19.37`	`Sero`	You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
`19:19.37`	`Sero`	`The following packages have unmet dependencies:`
`19:19.37`	`*** kick/#debian [Sero!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)`
`19:19.41`	`Nyle`	`possibly`
`19:19.50`	`DimmuR`	`hi all i'm in strange situation - sometimes my keyboard blocks ctrl / alt / shift etc - when i have launched virtualbox i have keyboard working there but in native system - not - i cant even swithc to console or lauch termina ;[ any1 experienced similar problems/`
`19:19.53`	`abrotman`	`el_mexicano: make sure your network info and dns are correct`
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`19:20.13`	`el_mexicano`	`on the same machine in installed windows 2003 it it runs with full performance`
`19:20.14`	`rahul`	`el_mexicano: yeah, it could be reverse dns lookup for some services`
`19:20.22`	`rahul`	`el_mexicano: same IP address?`
`19:20.24`	`pgpkeys`	`hey rahul`
`19:20.27`	`el_mexicano`	`yep`
`19:20.28`	`rahul`	`yo`
`19:20.31`	`abrotman`	`el_mexicano: yeah .. different OS .. see the possible issue?`
`19:20.31`	`rahul`	`gpgpgpgpgppg`
`19:20.40`	`pgpkeys`	`how's it going?`
`19:20.45`	`rahul`	`great, man`
`19:20.52`	`el_mexicano`	`it dives me crazy, since two wekks i working on this`
`19:20.54`	`pgpkeys`	`cool!`
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`19:21.04`	`el_mexicano`	`so it isn't the hw`
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`19:21.18`	`rahul`	`oh effin crap`
`19:21.25`	`rahul`	`I seroiusly need to upgrade this system`
`19:21.32`	`rahul`	`el_mexicano: it probably is the hardware`
`19:21.37`	`pgpkeys`	`think of letting the 2 pgpkeys doms of mine go. but i've got a replacement dom iyi`
`19:21.43`	`pgpkeys`	`err thinking`
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`19:21.59`	`rahul`	`el_mexicano: plenty of hardware is so crappy, the linux community can't figure out how to make it work right`
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`19:22.21`	`pgpkeys`	`ala commodity rules`
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`19:22.26`	`el_mexicano`	`but i got installed debian before on the same hw without problems`
`19:22.29`	`xerophyte`	`how can i enable the ssh protocol 1 support for my ssh .. i have very old os .. which need ssh protocol 1 support`
`19:23.00`	`Sero`	`Sorry about that blunder... My unmet dependencies problem: http://pastebin.com/d679c000`
`19:23.00`	`pgpkeys`	`you must make commodity hw so shitty that only a banker would love.`
`19:23.30`	`el_mexicano`	`i tried a 3com, a D-link and a Syskonnect nic`
`19:23.49`	`stew`	`Sero: you are trying to upgrade from sarge to etch?`
`19:24.04`	`Sero`	`yes`
`19:24.12`	`stew`	`Sero: are you following the guide in the release notes?`
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`19:25.00`	`stew`	`Sero: /msg dpkg sarge->etch`
`19:25.17`	`stew`	`Sero: you'll have to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel before continuing with the upgrade`
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`19:26.09`	`HardDisk_WP`	`hey all`
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`19:26.19`	`HardDisk_WP`	`are there any PXE images for a debian netinst?`
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`19:27.08`	`pgpkeys`	`think the bot's entry covers that`
`19:27.15`	`pgpkeys`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`19:27.40`	`Sero`	`I'll look into it again -- the box broke while I upgraded several others long time ago -- but I will check some more before I come back ;)`
`19:28.05`	`rahul`	`el_mexicano: have you checked the MTU yet?`
`19:28.16`	`rahul`	`dpkg: mtu`
`19:28.16`	`dpkg`	`i guess mtu is Maximum Transferrable Unit.. Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (package iputils-tracepath) can find about, or can be configured in interfaces - see <interfaces>`
`19:28.19`	`el_mexicano`	`yes, is the same as the other machines`
`19:29.11`	`Xcerca`	`what distros are based off debian, isn't ubuntu.. all the other ..untus, what some other ones ?`
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`19:29.28`	`stew`	`Xcerca: ask ##linux, not here`
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`19:30.31`	`el_mexicano`	`wann try to install v3.1 but where to get a net installer`
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`19:30.41`	`Nyle`	`el_mexicano, don't do that :)`
`19:30.44`	`helo`	`is there some way i can run dhclient without breaking existing nfs mounts?`
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`19:30.50`	`Nyle`	`el_mexicano, security support is ending`
`19:30.52`	`Nyle`	`!oldstable`
`19:30.52`	`dpkg`	`well, oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/i386/iso-cd/`
`19:31.05`	`Nyle`	`but if you must...`
`19:31.08`	`Xcerca`	`i just got hit by a car when i was jogging... it's wierd it barley even hurts`
`19:31.35`	`Nyle`	`Xcerca, do you have a question related to debian support?`
`19:31.47`	`liable`	`barley is good for beer`
`19:31.55`	`stew`	`essential even`
`19:31.57`	`Xcerca`	`lol`
`19:32.14`	`Haris`	`how do I check/debug why this box doesn't answer at times`
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`19:32.22`	`Haris`	`generally speaking`
`19:32.38`	`Haris`	`tcpdump is one`
`19:32.41`	`Xcerca`	`yea, i'm drinking some smithwicks now... i don't like it so much so i have to get rid of it... better drink it ;-)`
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`19:33.06`	`pgpkeys`	`mmmm beer`
`19:33.19`	`Xcerca`	`Nyle, no not really`
`19:33.37`	`pgpkeys`	`rahul: just got it`
`19:33.39`	`Roconda`	`hey, how can I send a mail with an other mailfrom address in cli?`
`19:33.57`	`Wingard`	`Could someone tell me how to mount an image, please? :x`
`19:34.04`	`petemc`	`Roconda: mail -a "From: foo@bar:`
`19:34.11`	`chops`	`Wingard: mount -o loop?`
`19:34.18`	`petemc`	`Roconda: with exim at least, you have to be a trusted user to set the sender address`
`19:34.30`	`Xcerca`	`if a distro is based off Debian then theoretically isn't it possible to install debian 4.0 and configure it into that distro ?`
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`19:34.32`	`Roconda`	`ah oke`
`19:34.34`	`Roconda`	`thx!`
`19:34.39`	`chops`	`Xcerca: Please don't do that`
`19:35.35`	`chops`	`Xcerca: Neither vendor will support you if anything goes wrong, and nothing about that configuration is particularly supposed to work.`
`19:35.46`	`stew`	`Xcerca: not sure what "configure it into that distro" would mean. but if you are looking to install debian from within a different distro, have a look at deboostrap`
`19:35.48`	`Nyle`	`!based on debian`
`19:35.48`	`dpkg`	`Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.`
`19:36.00`	`Nyle`	`debootstrap ftw`
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`19:36.19`	`Kikkoman`	`...-_-`
`19:36.21`	`Kikkoman`	`hold on`
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`19:36.50`	`crumblenaut`	`how can you make Apt reinstall a package without removing stuff that depends on it?`
`19:37.01`	`Nyle`	`crumblenaut, --reinstall?`
`19:37.06`	`stew`	`crumblenaut: aptitude reinstall pacakgename`
`19:37.17`	`Nyle`	`or aptitude yes`
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`19:38.00`	`Nyle`	`!reinstall`
`19:38.01`	`dpkg`	`i heard reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l \| awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' \| xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone>`
`19:38.11`	`stew`	`that is different`
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`19:38.15`	`Nyle`	`I see that`
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`19:39.00`	`budgee`	`debian dudes - i am looking for details on how to build a custom debian iso`
`19:39.13`	`Nyle`	`budgee, custom kernel only or custom packages?`
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`19:39.17`	`crumblenaut`	`why am i getting this? -> Reinstallation of php4-mysql is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.`
`19:39.21`	`budgee`	`we have some of our own debs and our own install process we want to build in`
`19:39.26`	`stew`	`budgee: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD`
`19:39.29`	`Nyle`	`!custom`
`19:39.32`	`Nyle`	`!custom cd`
`19:39.32`	`dpkg`	`[custom cd] So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel \| Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD \| http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian \| #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/`
`19:39.53`	`stew`	`crumblenaut: what version of debian are you running?`
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`19:40.03`	`crumblenaut`	`testing`
`19:40.03`	`chops`	`crumblenaut: Can you pastebin your exact command and the full output of the command, please?`
`19:40.15`	`stew`	`crumblenaut: becuase php4 has been removed from testing`
`19:40.20`	`budgee`	`Nyle: thanks dude`
`19:40.24`	`mutante`	`crumblenaut: try php5 instead?`
`19:40.25`	`Nyle`	`sure dude`
`19:40.41`	`chops`	`crumblenaut: nm; what stew said`
`19:40.45`	`crumblenaut`	`oh i see`
`19:40.47`	`crumblenaut`	`damn`
`19:40.51`	`crumblenaut`	`that could cause trouble`
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`19:41.11`	`Kikkomaso`	`Jeez maybe it would help if I was in #debian instead of #freenode -_-`
`19:41.15`	`Nyle`	`budgee, might also wish to consult the debian wiki on debian installer faq`
`19:41.29`	`Nyle`	`and the debian installer developer docs/ref`
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`19:41.50`	`Nyle`	`budgee, also /msg dpkg maint-guide`
`19:41.52`	`budgee`	`Nyle: ok - will do. We will want to automate the install with preselected items and run our install script too..`
`19:41.52`	`Ace2016`	`Hi all`
`19:41.53`	`Nyle`	`etc. etc.`
`19:42.03`	`Nyle`	`budgee, for that /msg dpkg preseed`
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`19:42.41`	`Ace2016`	`i have 4GB of ram now but only 3 is detected, is there a guide which shows what kernel options i need to enable so that all 4GB becomes usable?`
`19:43.08`	`Nyle`	`Ace2016, on 386, BIGMEM, on amd64 no need`
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`19:43.24`	`Nyle`	`!bigmem`
`19:43.24`	`dpkg`	`-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit.`
`19:43.36`	`Kikkomaso`	`...`
`19:43.37`	`\amethyst`	`Ace2016: you can use the -686-bigmem (or -k7-bigmem) kernel image`
`19:43.38`	`Cripps`	`backports`
`19:43.47`	`Cripps`	`shoot ... wrong message prefix ;)`
`19:43.48`	`Haris`	`how do I configure syslogd to receive log messages from other servers/routers/pix ?`
`19:44.33`	`Haris`	`I added -r to SYSLOGD="-m 0"`
`19:44.42`	`Haris`	`what else do I need to do ?`
`19:44.45`	`Ace2016`	`Nyle and \amethyst i've custom compiled my own kernel, so where can i get info on what kernel options are needed?`
`19:45.19`	`Ace2016`	`\amethyst: do you really need that \ in front of your nick? i'm not used to typing it, why not /Amethyst?`
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`19:45.38`	`rahul`	`because \ is cooler`
`19:45.46`	`Nielsen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:45.47`	`Nielsen`	`hehe`
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`19:45.51`	`\amethyst`	`Ace2016: slash isn't allowed in nicks`
`19:45.55`	`karsten`	`Ace2016: It's a DOS attack.`
`19:45.57`	`\amethyst`	`Ace2016: whereas backslash is a letter :)`
`19:45.59`	`Ace2016`	`oh right ok`
`19:46.09`	`Tramp`	`Haris: nothing (restart sysklogd of course)`
`19:46.10`	`\amethyst`	`Ace2016: tab-completion problems? :)`
`19:46.22`	`Haris`	`Tramp: Already done`
`19:46.23`	`budgee`	`Nyle: thanks`
`19:46.29`	`Sero`	`What is the proper (or easiest way) to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel?`
`19:46.30`	`Ace2016`	`no i still have to type the \ to start tab completeion`
`19:46.31`	`budgee`	`Nyle: that looks like the stuff :)`
`19:46.35`	`ignotus`	`hello I have a problem. I set up my machine (in BIOS) to power on every day, but when I shut down using "shutdown -h now" it can't wake up. If I reboot, then I manually power down the machine before Linux loads, then it can wake up. Any ideas?`
`19:46.37`	`karsten`	`Sero: aptitude update`
`19:46.38`	`Haris`	`Can't see anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/daemon.log`
`19:46.39`	`Haris`	`yet`
`19:46.51`	`Cripps`	`if I were to have 2 Gig of RAM installed on my machine, would there be any benefit to using the bigmem kernel?`
`19:46.51`	`emergo`	`I have a nvidia 6600 card, can I install the nvidia-glx driver or do I also need the nvidia-glx-legacy ?`
`19:46.57`	`karsten`	`!tell Sero about upgrade kernel`
`19:46.59`	`Tramp`	`Haris: than it shalt receive (if somebody sends). Check with tcpdump (udp 514 iirc) if packets come in`
`19:47.21`	`stew`	`Sero: /msg dpkg sarge->etch`
`19:47.46`	`stew`	`Cripps: no, there would be slight disadvantages`
`19:48.39`	`Cripps`	`stew, ah. I guess I'll just stick with the regular 2.6.22-3-i686 then (I wish my ipw3945 mods would compile for 2.6.24-1-686)`
`19:49.03`	`stew`	`Cripps: why use ipw3945 instead of iwl3945?`
`19:49.17`	`Cripps`	`what's the difference between ipw and ipl ?`
`19:49.25`	`Cripps`	`er ... ipw and iwl`
`19:49.39`	`stew`	`Cripps: iwl is the newer replacement that doesnt' require a userspace daemon`
`19:50.01`	`stew`	`and generally works better IME`
`19:50.10`	`Cripps`	`stew, I see. When I get home from school I'll check that out then.`
`19:50.31`	`stew`	`Cripps: aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi && modprobe iwl3945`
`19:50.52`	`stew`	`Cripps: firmware-iwlwifi is in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free`
`19:50.53`	`Sero`	`I'm just getting into more trouble trying to follow the recipe from dpkg: http://pastebin.com/d65d0b405`
`19:51.11`	`Sero`	`2.6 kernel seems to be a few packages away..`
`19:51.22`	`Cripps`	`stew, at the current moment I'm connected to a (very persnickety) WPA network (at school), so I'll check it out when I'm guaranteed of having a hardwire connection in case things mess up. Thanks for the advice though.`
`19:51.26`	`stew`	`Sero: you need to install 2.6 from sarge, not from etch`
`19:51.38`	`stew`	`Sero: are you reading the upgrade procedure in the release notes?`
`19:52.10`	`Sero`	`I am trying to do so, yes`
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`19:52.28`	`stew`	`Sero: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin`
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`19:53.20`	`Ace2016`	`I see there are many kernel modules iwht -686-bigmem, so does this mean that i need to reinstall things like the nvidia drivers and virtualbox kernel modules?`
`19:53.28`	`stew`	`Sero: or better yet, show us the output of "apt-cache policy kernel-image-2.6-686"`
`19:53.57`	`Ace2016`	`this is just saddening, watching the ram just not being filled`
`19:53.58`	`stew`	`Ace2016: if you install a new kernel, you'll need to recompile any 3rd party modules you need to use with the new kernel`
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`19:54.27`	`Ace2016`	`stew: thanks`
`19:54.38`	`Sero`	`stew: http://pastebin.com/df69cdd8`
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`19:55.45`	`stew`	`Sero: you need to run "apt-get update" then`
`19:56.21`	`Sero`	`doesn't change a thing?`
`19:56.37`	`stew`	`Sero: or something, since the error you gave said, "kernel-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6-686" which is not true for "Candidate: 101sarge2" in your second paste`
`19:56.45`	`Seb`	`!survey`
`19:56.45`	`dpkg`	`methinks survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask.`
`19:57.24`	`crumblenaut`	`what could cause php5-mysql to segfault apache2?`
`19:57.41`	`Seb`	`the fact that it's PHP ? :>`
`19:57.51`	`crumblenaut`	`helpful, thanks ;)`
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`19:58.36`	`stew`	`crumblenaut: checked the bts?`
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`19:58.59`	`crumblenaut`	`the what?`
`19:59.04`	`stew`	`!bts`
`19:59.04`	`dpkg`	`Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .`
`19:59.10`	`Sero`	`stew: but running apt-get update doesn't change the output`
`19:59.46`	`crumblenaut`	`both php4-mysql an php5-mysql cause child process segfaults`
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`20:02.33`	`emergo`	`when trying to install nvidia-glx : nvidia-glx:`
`20:02.34`	`emergo`	`Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.09 but it is not installable`
`20:02.54`	`stew`	`Sero: i'd recommend using aptitude not apt-get`
`20:03.54`	`pgpkeys`	`both use apt/dpkg calls on the backend do they not? where is the gain in using aptitude? (just wondering)`
`20:04.01`	`wols`	`!tell emergo about nvidia_post_etch`
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`20:04.25`	`stew`	`pgpkeys: he's having dependency problems and aptitude is far better at resolving dependencies`
`20:04.29`	`pgpkeys`	`ahh`
`20:05.08`	`pgpkeys`	`i've always stuck with apt-get, was wondering the difference.`
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`20:05.22`	`stew`	`crumblenaut: check the bts for both packages + libapache2-mod-php{4,5} + libmysqlclient15off`
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`20:06.37`	`crumblenaut`	`ok`
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`20:12.22`	`crumblenaut`	`how can i downgrade my libmysqlclient15off package?`
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`20:12.49`	`emergo`	`quit`
`20:13.07`	`\amethyst`	`crumblenaut: to what version?`
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`20:13.28`	`crumblenaut`	`erm, dunno, anything less than what i have, since its broken`
`20:13.39`	`\amethyst`	`crumblenaut: etch, lenny, sid... ?`
`20:13.49`	`crumblenaut`	`is lenny < testing?`
`20:13.54`	`\amethyst`	`crumblenaut: lenny is testing`
`20:14.16`	`\amethyst`	`crumblenaut: what version do you currently have (dpkg -l libmysqlclient15off), and how does it fail?`
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`20:16.26`	`crumblenaut`	`if the php5-mysql or php4-mysql module is enabled, apache child processes segfault`
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`20:16.34`	`PumpkinPie`	`what does this mean ?`
`20:16.34`	`PumpkinPie`	`uptime`
`20:16.34`	`PumpkinPie`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:16.35`	`crumblenaut`	`ive checked bugs.debian but the bugs listed are all for previous versions`
`20:16.43`	`PumpkinPie`	`its ben up 10 hours or what is that ?`
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`20:17.17`	`generalsnus`	`have anyone here used "Skolelinux"? (Debian-Edu)`
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`20:17.46`	`petemc`	`PumpkinPie: yes`
`20:18.08`	`PumpkinPie`	`what if it has been up for 1 day and 10 hours? what does it look like?`
`20:18.11`	`what_if`	`I am in need of opie logins for in.telnetd. However telnet calls the login program. How can I configure pam to call opie fo telnet logins, but not local ones ??`
`20:18.20`	`generalsnus`	`I have installed a "skolelinux" ldap/file server .. and ive installed a client computer.. how can i connect to the ldap server? what config do i need to have in order to have the client only use users/profiles on the server?`
`20:18.22`	`netcrash`	`Hello, I have this error in postfix + sasl config in debian , auxpropfunc error invalid parameter supplied this issue does not happen in a later version , any tips on what the problem can be ?`
`20:18.44`	`crumblenaut`	`\amethyst : 5.0.51a-3 is the current version`
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`20:19.04`	`petemc`	`PumpkinPie: it tells you the number of days and hours`
`20:19.07`	`kdean06`	`Can anyone provide the proper synatx for fstab to mount an NFS share over IPv6/`
`20:19.22`	`PumpkinPie`	`ok`
`20:19.44`	`kdean06`	`I find nothing on Google (except tutorials advising disabling IPv6) and the fstab man pages don't specifically mention Ipv6 addresses.`
`20:19.54`	`what_if`	`12:19:22 up 16 days, 15:05, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.10, 0.04`
`20:20.38`	`PumpkinPie`	`my server in rotterdam lost power _again_`
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`20:20.46`	`Kira__`	`hi all! i wanna to use my Z22 on my debian testing but i dont have a /dev/palm if i try lsusb the device is here kira# lsusb`
`20:20.46`	`Kira__`	`Bus 005 Device 031: ID 0830:0061 Palm, Inc.`
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`20:20.49`	`PumpkinPie`	`serverboost IS THE WORST DO NoT BUY`
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`20:20.54`	`\amethyst`	`kdean06: does the host in question have an AAAA record in DNS?`
`20:21.05`	`xif`	`Hi. Can I tell apt not to perform automatic updates of a certain package?`
`20:21.16`	`ktwilight`	`PumpkinPie, that's surprising`
`20:21.21`	`PumpkinPie`	`every time I lose power I lost some data`
`20:21.27`	`PumpkinPie`	`thats the bad part`
`20:21.29`	`kdean06`	`\amethyst, No, but I wonder if adding one and calling the mount by hostname might work... :)`
`20:21.31`	`rmichel`	`can anybody me explain from where this output come ? -> http://rafb.net/p/Z955f350.html + http://rafb.net/p/Mgz3YN84.html`
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`20:22.31`	`\amethyst`	`kdean06: that might. you could also try mounting it as [th:e:ip:v4:ad:dr:es::s]`
`20:22.32`	`ktwilight`	`PumpkinPie, how long ya been with them?`
`20:22.43`	`ktwilight`	`PumpkinPie, how sure are you that it's power lost?`
`20:23.08`	`\amethyst`	`kdean06: I don't have an ipv6 NFS server to test with, unfortunately`
`20:23.20`	`kdean06`	`\amethyst, Are you suggesting using the IPv4 address coverted to IPv6 or was that a typo suggesting using the IPv6 in braces?`
`20:23.29`	`\amethyst`	`kdean06: sorry, the latter`
`20:23.34`	`kdean06`	`Yeah, that failed. :)`
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`20:23.49`	`PumpkinPie`	`ktwilight: ive lost power twice in three months with serverboost.nl`
`20:24.00`	`PumpkinPie`	`and the first time we told them that we lost data because of this`
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`20:24.48`	`\amethyst`	`kdean06: you might need the patches at http://nfsv4.bullopensource.org/patches/nfs_ipv6-5/index.php then`
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`20:26.04`	`kdean06`	`Ouch. :( I thought one of Debian's claims to fame was IPv6 support by default. It appears it's not THAT deep. :(`
`20:26.54`	`\amethyst`	`kdean06: I suspect the patches aren't well-tested enough to integrate`
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`20:28.35`	`PumpkinPie`	`ktwilight: you have a server there ?`
`20:28.42`	`baloo_`	`kdean06: Debian supports it, though most software that runs on Debian does not, AFAICT. IPv6 is still battling the chicken/egg problem.`
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`20:28.53`	`\amethyst`	`s/most/much/`
`20:29.03`	`kdean06`	`Yeah. I'm not bashing Debian, I still love it. :P`
`20:29.09`	`ktwilight`	`PumpkinPie, i know people who do. no complaints AFAIK`
`20:29.14`	`crumblenaut`	`how can i revert libmysqlclient15off 5.0.51a-3 back to 5.0.51-3 on debian testing?`
`20:29.20`	`kdean06`	`And I also realized that there's not much demand for IPv6 integration anyway.`
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`20:29.40`	`xingu`	`\amethyst, kdean06: http://marc.info/?l=linux-nfs&m=118315607911175&w=1`
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`20:29.46`	`PumpkinPie`	`If I would have known its just two people that bought a rack inside wedare data center.. I would have never signed up`
`20:29.52`	`ktwilight`	`PumpkinPie, a quick search around and you'll notice their company has thumbs up`
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`20:30.16`	`PumpkinPie`	`one time I called in the middle of the night for a reboot and the guy was like sleeping at home and said "I can do it in the morning"`
`20:30.25`	`PumpkinPie`	`I didn't know it wasn't a real data center`
`20:30.46`	`ktwilight`	`depends on the contract you signed with them`
`20:30.59`	`PumpkinPie`	`its two guys that rent a rack`
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`20:31.19`	`ktwilight`	`yet you entrusted them, great ;)`
`20:31.34`	`PumpkinPie`	`I didn't know it was two guys renting a rack from a data center...`
`20:32.22`	`kdean06`	`yay for internet companies. :(`
`20:32.45`	`PumpkinPie`	`cant wait till we switch providers`
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`20:33.00`	`PumpkinPie`	`a real data center in amsterdam is valueweb`
`20:33.19`	`kdean06`	`Colo. :0`
`20:33.26`	`PumpkinPie`	`none of this one guy renting a rack nonsense`
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`20:33.38`	`PumpkinPie`	`Im in Los Angeles I cant colo in amsterdam`
`20:33.42`	`petemc`	`resellers are very common, they're not all bad`
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`20:34.30`	`ktwilight`	`yup`
`20:34.31`	`kdean06`	`petemc, I know that, I've had my share of good ones. Hell, I've had GREAT ones. But you can't ensure that the company that buys them next month will be good.`
`20:34.41`	`petemc`	`such is life`
`20:34.43`	`ktwilight`	`true too`
`20:34.56`	`ktwilight`	`also, you can't ensure that the company will continue to maintain the level of service`
`20:35.03`	`kdean06`	`I've never been screwed by a company I signed up with. It's always the ones that buy the smaller companies too. :P`
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`20:35.25`	`petemc`	`you cant ensure the building wont be hit by a meteorite either`
`20:35.38`	`kdean06`	`No, but in that case I'm insured. :)`
`20:35.53`	`ktwilight`	`kdean06, wait a millennium to get your money from the insurance ;)`
`20:36.21`	`kdean06`	`ktwilight, Insurance doesn't make up for lacking off-site reduncancy. ;)`
`20:36.28`	`ktwilight`	`or wait till they slap you with the fine print, "sorry, we insure every natural disaster except meteorites" :)`
`20:36.30`	`kdean06`	`But it ensures the loss won't hurt too much. :)`
`20:36.34`	`ktwilight`	`kdean06, true too`
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`20:37.23`	`puchu_`	`hi`
`20:37.29`	`puchu_`	`how can i select a default charset for my console?`
`20:37.35`	`PumpkinPie`	`we are even paying a lot more then if we just went directly with a data center too`
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`20:37.56`	`PumpkinPie`	`gah serverboost.nl sucks so bad`
`20:38.04`	`PumpkinPie`	`unprofessional`
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`20:38.28`	`petemc`	`puchu_: dpkg-reconfigure locales`
`20:38.31`	`ktwilight`	`PumpkinPie, 'cuz they don't want to reboot your machine after midnight for a mistake you've done? ;)`
`20:38.32`	`ktwilight`	`sure.`
`20:38.32`	`ktwilight`	`haha`
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`20:38.40`	`puchu_`	`petemc: thanks`
`20:39.19`	`sint`	`hey, i am searching for the command line program "htpasswd". does anyone know how it install it? is it the package libapache-htpasswd-perl?`
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`20:39.33`	`PumpkinPie`	`we didn't make a mistake...`
`20:40.11`	`PumpkinPie`	`some guy that sounds like he is waking up out of bed that complains about doing a reboot is not what you expect from a data center`
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`20:40.55`	`petemc`	`you they should have out of band access`
`20:41.07`	`petemc`	`you get what you pay for`
`20:41.13`	`PumpkinPie`	`we pay a lot`
`20:41.26`	`dutchfish`	`PumpkinPie, and you have no remote-kvm?`
`20:41.44`	`PumpkinPie`	`we can reduce costs by 1/3 by going directly with a data center`
`20:41.53`	`PumpkinPie`	`its expensive and really bad...`
`20:42.09`	`PumpkinPie`	`else where we can get actual 24 hour support from a real data center and reduce cost`
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`20:42.33`	`jkl`	`Im looking for of security (paranoid) methods to install things in the Debian way... but not much luck.`
`20:42.39`	`ktwilight`	`am sure the EURs is tough to pay up for when you're in the US`
`20:43.04`	`PumpkinPie`	`we pay in euro`
`20:43.08`	`crumblenaut`	`ok i have two debian testing boxes, both running identical versions of apache2, libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql and libmysqlclient15off and on one the child processes segfaults and the other is fine :S`
`20:43.16`	`ktwilight`	`PumpkinPie, of course, and you're in US, trading in USD ;)`
`20:43.24`	`zinx`	`PumpkinPie: a friend tells me tales of a web host that you can only contact during normal business hours`
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`20:44.05`	`abrotman`	`!find bin/htpasswd etch`
`20:44.06`	`dutchfish`	`crumblenaut, do a dpkg -l > dump.txt on both and run a diff`
`20:44.12`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'bin/htpasswd' (1): (/usr/bin/htpasswd) in net/apache2-utils,web/mini-httpd.`
`20:44.17`	`abrotman`	`sint: ^^^^^^^^^^`
`20:44.19`	`ktwilight`	`anything these days in EUR is expensive, especially if you're from US`
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`20:44.29`	`PumpkinPie`	`lesson learned guys _never_ go with a "data center" that appears to be 1 or 2 people that work from home`
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`20:44.50`	`crumblenaut`	`dutchfish that wont help, there are tons of diffs`
`20:44.53`	`nevyn`	`PumpkinPie: cause it usually is?`
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`20:45.15`	`sint`	`abrotman: thanks, this means i have to install apache?`
`20:45.32`	`dutchfish`	`crumblenaut, you can narrow it down by grepping things but its a start`
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`20:45.54`	`dutchfish`	`crumblenaut, your logs shurely hints you`
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`20:46.17`	`larsl`	`Something broke in the Bash autocompletion on my last upgrade, it now always adds a / at the end of any completed word.`
`20:46.35`	`stew`	`crumblenaut: if the same software behaves differently on different hardware, you should check the hardware for errors. try memtest86+`
`20:46.35`	`larsl`	`Regardless of whether the word is a directory, a file, a command or something else.`
`20:46.52`	`whadar`	`is there a way to kill all processes that are associated with a specific chroot?`
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`20:47.22`	`dutchfish`	`crumblenaut, also check mem memtst86+`
`20:47.29`	`crumblenaut`	`dutchfish: its just a child process segfault whenever php5-mysql is enabled`
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`20:48.10`	`dutchfish`	`crumblenaut, check versions of apache2 and php mysql and modules and compare`
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`20:48.56`	`crumblenaut`	`i already said they're identical`
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`20:49.34`	`stew`	`crumblenaut: then i'd check if the machine is overheating and run memtest`
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`20:50.45`	`mohamed_`	`hello all, i install wlan card using ndiswrapper , and everytime i boot i neet to restart network to see wlan, it seem that network start before loading ndiswrapper module, anyone know how to solve it ?`
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`20:51.51`	`ktwilight`	`mohamed_, put ndiswrapper module in /etc/modules`
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`20:52.09`	`mohamed_`	`ktwilight, it already exist`
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`20:53.37`	`dkr`	`I have an annoying problem. removal of gforge-ldap-openldap is failing due to missing ldap-utils (pre-removal script), but can't install ldap-utils because ldap insists on resolving the broken situation with gforge-ldap-openldap first.`
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`20:54.13`	`abrotman`	`sint: it means you have to isntall the apache2-utils`
`20:54.18`	`dkr`	`(all the other gforge stuff removed ok, but it seems the ldapputils got removed before this package,hence the weird situation i am in now`
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`20:55.29`	`sint`	`abrotman: thanks alot :)`
`20:55.35`	`\amethyst`	`dkr: it shouldn't have been possible to remove ldap-utils before gforge-ldap-openldap, because the latter depends on the former`
`20:55.42`	`\amethyst`	`dkr: any clue how that happened?`
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`20:57.26`	`dkr`	`\amethyst: I've had lots of problems with various gforge packages in debian stable, not enough people use them to have fixed the bugs. I had done several reinstalls and even had to fix a bug in install scripts to get them to install successfully. I doubt the removal stuff has been tested more than the install stuff :)`
`20:58.50`	`dkr`	`regardless. the current situation is no ldap-utils and gforge-ldap-openldapin installed but broken state so I can't install any packages at all even not involved`
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`21:00.25`	`ss3`	`hello i am ss3`
`21:00.26`	`dkr`	`would it help or cause more problems to use another tool like apt-get to remove it? I've stuck purely to aptitude for consistency so far`
`21:00.28`	`ss3`	`cute everywhere`
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`21:01.50`	`dkr`	`\amethyst: oh, I just remembered, i had some disk problems and ended up rebooting and had to do dpkg -configure -a to be able to run aptitude again. likely cause of the conflicted current state`
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`21:04.14`	`dkr`	`it's actually kind of amusing that i can't remove due to missing dependency and I can't install the missing dependency until problem package removed. i guess using a tool other than aptitude to break the stalemate is the solution`
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`21:11.46`	`dutchfish`	`is backports down?`
`21:12.11`	`pmo_`	`hello, i would like to know if there is an email client with the option to use the replace the sender email address with the destination email address, as you reply to somebody ? i tried with evolution but couldnt find this..`
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`21:12.38`	`pmo_`	`instead of using.. default email address provided on setup ?`
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`21:14.57`	`pmo_`	`hello, i would like to know if there is an email client with the option to use the replace the sender email address with the destination email address, as you reply to somebody ? i tried with evolution but couldnt find this.. instead of using.. default email address provided on setup ?`
`21:15.03`	`dkr`	`dutchfish: looks like the web site is`
`21:15.12`	`dutchfish`	`dkr, ok`
`21:15.14`	`pmo_`	`so quiet ??`
`21:15.39`	`dkr`	`pmo_: that doesn't make much sense. you want your replies to people to be forged as if they came from themselves instead of from you?`
`21:15.49`	`sPHERE^`	`lol`
`21:15.51`	`pmo_`	`dkr, no`
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`21:16.43`	`puchu_`	`sind generierte locales architekturabhängig?`
`21:16.58`	`puchu_`	`oder kann ich 64bit locales auf nem mipsel nutzen?`
`21:17.02`	`pmo_`	`dkr, they send a message to me, but i have several email address, and so far i know i can gather them all, in one account, but my problem, is when i reply iwould liek to reply with the email address i used to talk with those same people`
`21:17.05`	`dkr`	`pmo_: oh,you mean if you receive mail at multiple address you want your replyto use the same address the mailarrived to`
`21:17.24`	`pmo_`	`dkr, exactly :)`
`21:17.45`	`dutchfish`	`puchu_, they are generated by dpkg-reconfigure locales`
`21:17.45`	`dkr`	`!de`
`21:17.46`	`dpkg`	`deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)`
`21:18.28`	`sPHERE^`	`pmo_: isn't that possible with evolution?`
`21:18.35`	`sPHERE^`	`hm`
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`21:19.24`	`pmo_`	`sPHERE^, didnt find any option for this, always use the email address i provided as identity, and if i cannot remove it`
`21:19.45`	`g3`	`where are the source files stored?`
`21:19.54`	`pmo_`	`and i cannot remove it`
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`21:20.35`	`dkr`	`!tell g3 about source`
`21:20.50`	`dutchfish`	`pmo_, but you can create several accounts within evolution that use the same mailbox`
`21:21.50`	`pmo_`	`dutchfish, yes, but should be far more easier just to reply with destination address :-/`
`21:21.55`	`Sero`	`How can I downgrade to libc6 version 2.3.2.ds1-4 ? I can't find it anywhere`
`21:22.08`	`pmo_`	`also i wouldn't have to browse all email account, just one`
`21:22.18`	`zinx`	`Sero: any particular reason you need to downgrade?`
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`21:22.50`	`Sero`	`because of my broken dependencies (trying to upgrade from 2.2->2.6 kernel, before taking the leap to etch ;)`
`21:22.52`	`dutchfish`	`pmo_, with multiple accounts you have a dropdown box for your curent identity to choose from before replying, thats it`
`21:23.44`	`pmo_`	`dutchfish, and if i make a mystake, it willl make no sense anymore, while if it works automatically...`
`21:23.53`	`Wingard`	`Is there a way to check which version of Debian I'm running? <______<`
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`21:24.22`	`dutchfish`	`pmo_, sorry, maybe it is possible to alter the source ....`
`21:25.08`	`pmo_`	`dutchfish, i see :) well alter the source, is always possible, since this is gnu :) but hmm.. well i dont know, didnt have a look at the source..`
`21:25.09`	`dutchfish`	`pmo_, you have to delve into it, if it is really important to you`
`21:25.29`	`pmo_`	`would make life easier :)`
`21:25.31`	`dutchfish`	`pmo_, i doubt many of us needs more then 10 identities`
`21:26.55`	`abrotman`	`!version`
`21:26.55`	`dpkg`	`Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version`
`21:26.56`	`pmo_`	`i don't have 10 identities.. in fact my provider doesnt provide imap server.. so i tried gather all my emasil account on gmail.. then get all on email client, the only issue.. on gmail you can replace reply address.. but not on email client like evolution or similar..`
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`21:27.17`	`pmo_`	`but i have 3 or 4 identities.. depending of what i am about`
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`21:27.47`	`dutchfish`	`pmo_, or delve into another email client, not sure if any suppor tthat`
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`21:29.12`	`pmo_`	`the idea, was in case of spam.. to cut the bad account, but still be able to use others.. also i would know where the spam / weak comes from`
`21:29.53`	`cheesebob`	`I have debian running in a virtual machine, I just grew the hard drive, how can i get debian to extend my /home file system to the new space?`
`21:29.57`	`pmo_`	`well, ok.. :-/ i'd have to have some further look.. changing sources :) could be wierd :)`
`21:30.26`	`BrianSteffens`	`Hello all - I'm looking for help or an example of configuring heartbeat and ldirector on one machine to load balance two sets of servers with different servers. I see a lot of examples of one set of servers with multiple services but nothing about multiple sets of servers. Thanks for any help you can provide! (even if it's just telling me a better channel to ask this)`
`21:31.16`	`dorijan`	`BrianSteffens : tried howtoforge yet ?`
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`21:32.21`	`dkr`	`pmo_: icedove chooses correctly for me when I reply`
`21:32.51`	`pmo_`	`dkr, :) ok.. gonna make a try, thanks for clue, help much ;-)`
`21:33.14`	`BrianSteffens`	`dorijan: Yes, great information there, but I haven't seen anything specific to my problem. I've narrowed it down that I'm fairly sure I just need to change the file 'haresources' but I'm not sure how I'd go about that`
`21:33.20`	`Sero`	`unmet dependencies: xlibs depends on libxft1 -- but aptitude show libxft1 shows that it is installed?`
`21:34.23`	`dkr`	`pmo_: note that it doesn't use the to: field exactly, but chooses amongst my 'identities' (I have personal and work domain, so it might just be doing it based on domain messages sent to even though same server/mail box)`
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`21:35.21`	`pmo_`	`dkr, i see.. dont know if evolution could do a similar thing.. i might try, thanks`
`21:35.33`	`infernix`	`I need to push out 40TB data in 4 weeks. I can't handle this on my current datacenter plan. I expect peaks up to 400mbit. does anyone have any recommendations as to where I could host this? amazons simple storage service doesn't seem to be web-accessible.`
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`21:36.00`	`dkr`	`infernix: make a torrent :)`
`21:36.21`	`infernix`	`that's not possible, it's downloaded by a flash component`
`21:36.31`	`dorijan`	`infernix: you can use amazon storage`
`21:36.55`	`dorijan`	`you simply get yourself an EC2 first`
`21:36.56`	`dorijan`	`and attach the storage to it`
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`21:37.35`	`infernix`	`i see. any alternatives to amazon? does akamai do this too?`
`21:37.38`	`dorijan`	`yes`
`21:37.51`	`infernix`	`any others you can think of?`
`21:37.55`	`dorijan`	`limewire`
`21:37.56`	`dkr`	`I hate when videos are wrapped in flash. it's so inefficient and cumbersome`
`21:38.05`	`dorijan`	`maybe macai.net`
`21:38.22`	`dorijan`	`do you need global distribution ? or just a place to push out your data ?`
`21:38.26`	`rahul`	`dkr: works better than mplayer plugin actually`
`21:38.38`	`infernix`	`.ru`
`21:38.49`	`dorijan`	`so no other countries involved ?`
`21:38.51`	`infernix`	`but my russian is, well, meh :)`
`21:38.55`	`infernix`	`not for this specific one`
`21:39.00`	`dorijan`	`ok`
`21:39.08`	`dorijan`	`lookup russian adsl providers then`
`21:39.11`	`dorijan`	`and contact them`
`21:39.13`	`g3`	`abrotman, Im looking information about what secure process debian take to download and install (md5 integrity.. things like that)`
`21:39.14`	`dkr`	`rahul: not for me. my iceweasel crashes at places like youtube sometimes when I close tabs`
`21:39.17`	`infernix`	`but i do suppose there will be some int'l traffic from foreign russian visitors`
`21:39.28`	`infernix`	`dorijan: complicated process, though`
`21:39.32`	`chops`	`dkr: I believe there's an iceweasel plugin that only plays flash videos when you click them`
`21:39.40`	`dorijan`	`well i'd go to the access providers`
`21:39.46`	`chops`	`dkr: You can also download them and use e.g. mplayer to play the .flv file`
`21:39.57`	`dorijan`	`and ask them for hosting towards their clients`
`21:39.58`	`rahul`	`dkr: mplayer hardly works`
`21:40.11`	`rahul`	`dkr: and you can't seek or anything`
`21:40.11`	`dkr`	`chops: I use that. obviously I only go to youtube to play the video though, so havw to play the flash by clicking it`
`21:40.12`	`chops`	`dkr: My iceweasel crashes on flash videos, too. It's a PITA (though I've not got irritated enough with it yet to fix it)`
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`21:40.27`	`Wingard`	`That used to happen to me with Konqueror.`
`21:40.29`	`chops`	`dkr: You can download the .flv and use mplayer to play it`
`21:40.48`	`Wingard`	`It turned out to be a problem with the flash player not installing properly.`
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`21:41.08`	`g3`	`abrotman, I've been looking but just found package information, key (fingerprint encrypt).. but no integrity of files.`
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`21:41.13`	`dorijan`	`infernix: they will be happy if traffic stays inside of their net`
`21:41.21`	`dkr`	`chops: hrm, yeah, that would make sense, a plugin that downloads/extracts and then launches mplayer :)`
`21:41.37`	`infernix`	`dorijan: it's only a 2 month project.`
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`21:41.42`	`infernix`	`that's the difficulty`
`21:41.45`	`dorijan`	`not really`
`21:41.46`	`dorijan`	`:D`
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`21:41.54`	`dorijan`	`approach them`
`21:41.55`	`chops`	`dkr: It would`
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`21:42.29`	`dorijan`	`and see if they respond`
`21:42.31`	`junix\|work`	`is there a reason why hald fails on a AMD Athlon-C processor when upgrading to unstable?`
`21:42.32`	`abrotman`	`g3: uh hi ?`
`21:42.42`	`ferent`	`hi people, I've got a Lacie USB hard disk, but the usb access has broken and I've opened and plug by IDE channel`
`21:42.42`	`dutchfish`	`g3, sha checksums are in the .changes files of the packages`
`21:42.49`	`chops`	`junix\|work: Because unstable has bugs sometimes? :-)`
`21:42.59`	`chops`	`junix\|work: It's probably worth filing a bug if there's not one`
`21:43.09`	`junix\|work`	`chops: i know that, wasn't sure if anyone else has run into the same issue`
`21:43.16`	`junix\|work`	`i wanted to see the new KDE`
`21:43.22`	`junix\|work`	`not sure if itts unstable yet`
`21:43.25`	`ferent`	`but when I mount, the system says do not recognice the filesystem`
`21:43.35`	`chops`	`junix\|work: Did you check the BTS? That's a lot more reliable way of finding out who else is having the issue than hoping they're on IRC right now...`
`21:43.42`	`dorijan`	`infernix: if its just short stuff just use macai.net`
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`21:43.54`	`dorijan`	`they even offer special russian connects w/o longterm contracts`
`21:43.54`	`dorijan`	`:)`
`21:44.09`	`g3`	`dutchfish, but, are those md5sum made in transparent way, or the user needs to check them for himself?`
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`21:44.15`	`junix\|work`	`chops: its not a priority, i probably will reformat and start over`
`21:44.19`	`ferent`	`I've got a testdisk and all was ok`
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`21:44.29`	`ferent`	`somebody can help me please?`
`21:44.39`	`Wingard`	`Do you know what the filesystem is?`
`21:44.40`	`abrotman`	`ferent: fdisk -l <device>`
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`21:45.03`	`ferent`	`wait abrotman`
`21:45.09`	`dutchfish`	`g3, read about apt & apt-secure and new package mantainer guide`
`21:45.15`	`abrotman`	`wait .. i never had a chance to love you!`
`21:45.28`	`g3`	`dutchfish, ok.`
`21:45.29`	`infernix`	`dorijan: its short term, and just GET /somefile. so I'll look at macai. thanks.`
`21:45.48`	`ferent`	`abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m186a5fb`
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`21:46.11`	`dkr`	`so I went the other way and installed it all again, so i have ldapsearch and friends the package scripts use, but now I get "Errors were encountered while processing: gforge-ldap-openldap" with no indication of what the actual error is and the package is in failed install state. at least F state doesn't prevent installation of other packages the way failed removal was`
`21:46.12`	`abrotman`	`ferent: do you have a /mnt/ ? or /media/ ?`
`21:46.34`	`dutchfish`	`g3, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/`
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`21:46.55`	`ferent`	`abrotman: I've create a folder in /media/disktemp`
`21:46.59`	`g3`	`http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/26/ yeah..`
`21:47.23`	`abrotman`	`ferent: mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1p1 /media/disktemp ... what is the error ?`
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`21:47.29`	`dutchfish`	`g3, for your info, i am strugling with it myself over the last few weeks ;)`
`21:47.38`	`jair`	`guys, I am not too clever with the LVM2 on the Debian 4.0. I am wondering if I can do this:`
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`21:48.02`	`jair`	`1- I have two hard drives on the system, sda and sdb`
`21:48.17`	`ferent`	`abrotman:`
`21:48.17`	`ferent`	`mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,`
`21:48.17`	`ferent`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:48.37`	`pmo_`	`jair, yes you can`
`21:48.38`	`abrotman`	`ferent: why did you pull it from the USB housing ?`
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`21:48.52`	`abrotman`	`pmo_: i don't think that was his whole question`
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`21:49.07`	`pmo_`	`abrotman, make 2 disks appear as one :)`
`21:49.08`	`ferent`	`sorry? I don't understand english very well`
`21:49.12`	`t04no`	`hi @all. after fiddling around with this hplip crap to get my printer/scanner combo working, cupsd everytime insists on starting a process "usb", that consumes 95% memory. don't know how to turn that behavior off (apart from shutting down cups). help is very much appreciated.`
`21:49.13`	`ghetto[kernel]`	`hi, how can i update Xorg?`
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`21:49.38`	`ferent`	`abrotman: the controller that attacht the IDE with the USB has broken`
`21:49.45`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`21:49.50`	`Sero`	`how can I downgrade to an older glibc? version?`
`21:49.52`	`ferent`	`yes...`
`21:49.52`	`abrotman`	`ghetto[kernel]: from what to what ?`
`21:49.56`	`abrotman`	`Sero: you don't want to`
`21:50.03`	`Sero`	`yes I do`
`21:50.06`	`Sero`	`no other way`
`21:50.07`	`delire`	`the /lib directory on this machine was recently rm -fr'd accidentally. i've reconstructed a base /lib dir using debootstrap but now have the issue where i cannot whois , resulting in apt being relatively broken on lookup. the whois error generally takes the form: getaddrinfo(whois.crsnic.net): Name or service not known. any ideas?`
`21:50.11`	`abrotman`	`Sero: to do what?`
`21:50.22`	`Sero`	`upgrade my kernel from 2.2`
`21:50.26`	`abrotman`	`ferent: try -t auto`
`21:50.28`	`g3`	`dutchfish, how is it going? ("last few weeks")`
`21:50.59`	`ghetto[kernel]`	`abrotman, emm i dont know wich version of xorg i have atm, i guess the one released with etch, the thing is xorg is not recognizing mymonitor and i cant set 1024x768. so i want to update it to try and enjoy of the improves`
`21:51.02`	`ferent`	`abrotman: mount -t auto /dev/hdb1 /media/disktemp`
`21:51.02`	`delire`	`i've looked at the depends of whois and have reinstalled bsdutils and libidn11.`
`21:51.08`	`dutchfish`	`g3, so far i am able the create my own repository with my own packages, but stuck with repositories "key"`
`21:51.20`	`ferent`	`abrotman: you must specify the system file`
`21:51.25`	`dutchfish`	`g3, the rest works`
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`21:51.38`	`abrotman`	`ferent: which version of debian is this?>`
`21:51.40`	`Oilha`	`what should i use for a vnc server?`
`21:51.42`	`Sero`	`how can I downgrade?`
`21:51.42`	`jair`	`2- sda contains a sda1=boot and sda5=LVM I think that it is swap included in LVM`
`21:51.53`	`Sero`	`where do I find prior versions?`
`21:51.56`	`abrotman`	`Sero: which version of debian are you trying to upgrade from/to ?`
`21:51.57`	`jair`	`pmo_: are you pretty familiar with LVM2?`
`21:52.02`	`Sero`	`sarge`
`21:52.04`	`Sero`	`to etch`
`21:52.05`	`ferent`	`is Linux ubuntu 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 02:46:46 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux`
`21:52.07`	`abrotman`	`sarge didn't have a 2.2 kernel`
`21:52.09`	`ferent`	`abrotman:`
`21:52.13`	`abrotman`	`ferent: please ask #ubuntu`
`21:52.17`	`pmo_`	`Jair, i use it`
`21:52.19`	`abrotman`	`!ubuntu`
`21:52.20`	`dpkg`	`Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.`
`21:52.35`	`ferent`	`abrotman: in debian there people expert`
`21:52.38`	`jair`	`pmo_: ok this is what I am trying to accomplish`
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`21:53.01`	`abrotman`	`ferent: then install debian`
`21:53.07`	`roue`	`hola`
`21:53.08`	`delire`	`what is 'whois' dependent on such that it would fail on getaddrinfo?`
`21:53.09`	`roue`	`hola`
`21:53.22`	`ferent`	`abrotman: please`
`21:53.27`	`ferent`	`ubuntu is debian based`
`21:53.34`	`bahadunn`	`ferent: so?`
`21:53.37`	`roue`	`anyone else bitten by the Firefox 3b4 update on etch? anyone know a fix for not having GTK+ v2.10 ? thanks.`
`21:53.39`	`abrotman`	`ferent: so are about 100 other distros .. we don't support them either`
`21:53.40`	`Sero`	`how can I figure out which debian version I am running?`
`21:53.42`	`GPenguin`	`ferent: please dont make the nice people angry here`
`21:53.46`	`delire`	`ferent 70% of linux distributions are debian based.`
`21:53.50`	`abrotman`	`roue: there is no firefox in etch`
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`21:53.51`	`dkr`	`hah. I solved my woes by commenting out the problematic parts of the gforge-ldap-openldap.prerm script`
`21:53.52`	`jair`	`pmo_: I wonder if I should create a second VG or add the second this PV as LV to the first and only VG on the system`
`21:54.03`	`ferent`	`ok guys`
`21:54.04`	`delire`	`ferent: supporting all of them here would be impossible.`
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`21:54.08`	`ferent`	`sorry for that`
`21:54.11`	`abrotman`	`ferent: you could also try ##linux`
`21:54.25`	`bahadunn`	`Sero: cat /etc/debian_version`
`21:54.26`	`roue`	`abrotman right, the firefox beta from mozilla, not the iceweasle rebranding.`
`21:54.35`	`Sero`	`3.1`
`21:54.35`	`abrotman`	`roue: right .. ask them .. not us .. we didn't give it to you`
`21:54.37`	`pmo_`	`jair, depends if you want to share it, in one filessystem.. so far as i remember.. you can't have one file system to use 2 VG`
`21:54.38`	`g3`	`dutchfish, have u got idea what kind of secure process apt-get use? (I'm trying to compare the option for a sys-admin 1) Download the source and check the integrity agains 2) apt-get install package.`
`21:54.47`	`abrotman`	`Sero: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1`
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`21:54.55`	`puchu`	`hi`
`21:55.37`	`puchu`	`i set my locale to utf-8 but i get`
`21:55.38`	`puchu`	`perl: warning: Setting locale failed.`
`21:55.38`	`roue`	`abrotman any particular reason you've got a bug up your ass about this?`
`21:55.39`	`jair`	`pmo_: hmm`
`21:55.46`	`pmo_`	`jair, you can make both in same VG`
`21:55.53`	`jair`	`pmo_: one sec I will be able to show you what I have :)`
`21:56.03`	`abrotman`	`roue: you're complaining about a beta of a program not in debian .. how would you like us to know what might be wrong with that?`
`21:56.12`	`roue`	`I did not complain. I asked a question.`
`21:56.13`	`pmo_`	`jair, yes if you use pastebin`
`21:56.17`	`pmo_`	`!pastebin`
`21:56.17`	`dpkg`	`Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>`
`21:56.26`	`dutchfish`	`g3, if i am not mistaken it checks if a package is correctly signed with a valid signature, it also checks sha checksums from .changes file delve manually in a repository and open a .changes file from a random package to see what i mean. There is more to it, but i am learning too ;)`
`21:56.29`	`bahadunn`	`roue: so how is anyone here suppose to know the answer?`
`21:56.52`	`abrotman`	`roue: the best you can hope for is to find a backport of a more recent gnome/gtk to etch .. but then you're on your own there too`
`21:57.14`	`roue`	`thanks.`
`21:57.33`	`abrotman`	`heh .. you'll have to offset the decreased RAM usage of FF3 with increased RAM usage of a newer GTK .. irony`
`21:57.34`	`g3`	`dutchfish, Is cool.. Is just about, how secure can be each process.. Debian way, agains traditional.`
`21:58.05`	`pmo_`	`jair, but is not exactly difficult, did you plan to have one big filessystem, several, or have no specific plan,but are just trying things ?`
`21:58.07`	`dutchfish`	`g3, apt is not as secure as we all like to see, but its by far better then anything i have seen`
`21:58.09`	`bahadunn`	`how is beta software even supported anyways`
`21:58.17`	`abrotman`	`bahadunn: you'`
`21:58.22`	`abrotman`	`bahadunn: you've never used beta software?`
`21:58.23`	`karsten`	`g3: GPG signature checks agaisn the packages file, MP5 and/or SHA1 sums on most packages.`
`21:58.35`	`bahadunn`	`abrotman: yeah for testing and feedback to the developers`
`21:58.48`	`bahadunn`	`abrotman: not for hey it doesnt work why not please support my beta software`
`21:58.52`	`abrotman`	`bahadunn: so you didn't use FF0.7?`
`21:58.56`	`g3`	`karsten, "most package"?`
`21:59.01`	`dutchfish`	`karsten, yep`
`21:59.06`	`bahadunn`	`abrotman: I dont remember`
`21:59.13`	`bahadunn`	`abrotman: when was 0.7 again?`
`21:59.21`	`abrotman`	`bahadunn: sarge? :)`
`21:59.28`	`bahadunn`	`abrotman: and I know beta means use at your own risk too`
`21:59.30`	`jair`	`pmo_: hmm I am almost there`
`21:59.30`	`bahadunn`	`abrotman: sarge?`
`21:59.34`	`bahadunn`	`abrotman: when was that again?`
`21:59.43`	`abrotman`	`oh .. nto even`
`21:59.46`	`pmo_`	`jair, what you have to do is create your pv.. you could manage split your disk, into several partitions;. then pvcreate over all partition.. and then create several LV, and one or 2 VG.. one small for testing purposes, and an other big, to have your system, on, spread over the 2 disks`
`21:59.47`	`abrotman`	`it didn't make sarge apparently`
`22:00.02`	`bahadunn`	`abrotman: you expect me to remember back to woody days?`
`22:00.05`	`abrotman`	`oh .. yes it did .. 1.0.4`
`22:00.15`	`karsten`	`g3: I'm a little hazy on it, it's something that's being backfitted into packages. You can check to see for yourself, the md5sums are in /var/lib/dpkg/info`
`22:00.16`	`g3`	`karsten, dutchfish do you guys know the name-topic about we are talking about? (I getting same kind of info from google)`
`22:00.19`	`bahadunn`	`sarge is pushing it still`
`22:00.20`	`karsten`	`g3: man debsums`
`22:00.35`	`bahadunn`	`abrotman: when I new release of debian is out I tend to completely forget about the old releases and move forward`
`22:00.37`	`karsten`	`g3: No, I just hopped onto channel and got in the middle of this conversation.`
`22:00.47`	`dutchfish`	`g3, gnupg, package signing debsign ...`
`22:00.55`	`g3`	`karsten, no problem`
`22:01.00`	`bahadunn`	`abrotman: I think I vaguely remember firefox 0.7`
`22:01.17`	`karsten`	`g3: From what I can tell you've been told where to get the information you're asking about.`
`22:01.23`	`pmo_`	`jair, what you should have in mind.. is .. a filesystem can't be created over 2 VG.. while you can extend reduce on one.. adding PV and extending LV or reducing it (reducing it, is the dangerous part)`
`22:01.27`	`karsten`	`g3: I'd trust that more than random shit in IRC.`
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`22:02.06`	`dutchfish`	`g3, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/`
`22:02.07`	`delire`	`apt-get is broken with any sources.list i have tried due to lookup errors after reconstructing /lib post-deletion. ftp.debian.org is no longer found and 'whois google.com' returns with getaddrinfo errors. any ideas?`
`22:02.14`	`jair`	`pmo_: http://rafb.net/p/s4Bst336.html`
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`22:02.28`	`jair`	`pmo_: that is the system the way it looks now.`
`22:02.36`	`karsten`	`delire: Sounds like a bad resolv.conf file.`
`22:02.45`	`karsten`	`delire: /etc/resolv.conf and/or networking config says what?`
`22:02.51`	`delire`	`karsten it hasn't changed since lib was deleted.`
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`22:02.57`	`jair`	`pmo_: it has debian 4.0 installed with the normal installation, using lvm on the sda`
`22:03.39`	`delire`	`karsten that was all working fine, and has been on this system, for about a month. /lib was deleted, i reconstructed it, and now apt-get complains. anyway, info pasted soon.`
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`22:04.07`	`pmo_`	`jair, you want to have your file ssystem bigger or 2 file system ?`
`22:04.35`	`pmo_`	`Jair, to be able to extend / reduce your file system, or have another one ?`
`22:04.49`	`delire`	`karsten i'm writing from the machine now. i can ping fine. /etc/resolv.conf uses the NS "nameserver 80.58.61.250"`
`22:05.07`	`karsten`	`delire: If you've nuked /lib, you're going to have to reinstall it, possibly rebuild your system and restore local / user data to it.`
`22:05.13`	`Agiofws`	`hey guys what package does wlanconfig belong to ?`
`22:05.18`	`abrotman`	`!tell Agiofws about search`
`22:05.21`	`karsten`	`!tell Agiofws about search`
`22:05.29`	`karsten`	`!tell abrotman about slowing down for us old folks`
`22:05.33`	`abrotman`	`jesus old man .. you're getting slow`
`22:05.37`	`delire`	`karsten i used debootstrap to reconstruct it, most seems well and the machine boots fine.`
`22:05.38`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`22:05.42`	`karsten`	`abrotman: Blow me.`
`22:06.06`	`delire`	`karsten: i don't understand ".. and restore local / user data to it."`
`22:06.13`	`karsten`	`abrotman: You're a true friend.`
`22:06.17`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`22:06.27`	`pmo_`	`jair, well you could do fdisk /dev/sdb, and create 2 partitions..... then pvcreate those partitions, and vgextend, your actual Volume Group with one or hte 2 partitions..`
`22:06.38`	`karsten`	`delire: You've hosed /lib. That includes critical libraries required at BOOT time for your system to operate properly.`
`22:06.50`	`abrotman`	`karsten: i couldn't remember the proper acronym .. i lose`
`22:06.57`	`dutchfish`	`g3, http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt`
`22:07.06`	`jair`	`pmo_: I do not want to change "/"`
`22:07.11`	`karsten`	`delire: While you may be able to reinstall the packages which have files there, you may simply need to rebuild your system. Eg: reinstall from scratch. Could be easier.`
`22:07.20`	`pmo_`	`jair, ok, then tell me what you want to do ?`
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`22:07.34`	`g3`	`dutchfish, ;)`
`22:07.42`	`dutchfish`	`g3, yw`
`22:07.43`	`karsten`	`delire: After which time you need to copy over the changes you've made from your stock system (mostly /etc and some stuff in /var), and your user data (/home).`
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`22:07.56`	`karsten`	`abrotman: TRO in this case. RO would be permanent.`
`22:08.03`	`abrotman`	`oh yeah .. duh`
`22:08.04`	`karsten`	`abrotman: We're trying very much to avoid that, thansk.`
`22:08.06`	`abrotman`	`i was close!`
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`22:08.24`	`jair`	`pmo_: I just want to initialize sdb and use it, so I am not sure if I need to create a separate VG or I can add the PV size 80GB to the existing VG and just mount it at (e.g. "/data")`
`22:08.29`	`abrotman`	`karsten: i had TML .. as opposed to ML caused my alzheimer's :)`
`22:09.07`	`pmo_`	`jair, you'll never use that new disk on actuall filesystem, 100% sure ?`
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`22:09.26`	`jair`	`pmo_: check this please: http://rafb.net/p/oaureU18.html`
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`22:10.03`	`pmo_`	`jair, i saw it`
`22:10.38`	`delire`	`karsten, but surely with only /lib deleted (and libs copied from a deboostrapped directory and system otherwise fine) i don't need to reinstall... i have a problem only with dns lookups with apt-get.`
`22:10.39`	`jair`	`pmo_: this is what is in use so far: http://rafb.net/p/R2bkQA72.html`
`22:10.53`	`pmo_`	`jair, i'd recommend you to create several partitions on sdb.. so that you can use them as you wish..extending or reducing any file system you may setup`
`22:11.16`	`delire`	`with this resolved i can --set-selections and continue reconstruction.`
`22:11.25`	`jair`	`pmo_: ohhh so I can do that great! I did not know I can.`
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`22:11.48`	`jair`	`pmo_: but you mean I can create several partitions or pvs?`
`22:11.56`	`pmo_`	`jair, yes`
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`22:12.22`	`Sero`	`abrotman: iH libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone`
`22:12.31`	`pmo_`	`jair, both.. as long as you create different partition.. you'll have to make them all 'pvcreate'`
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`22:12.38`	`abrotman`	`Sero: what's the error you get ?`
`22:12.42`	`jair`	`pmo_: from the sdb right, but I can't add those pvs then lvs to the current VG? and the "/"? or do they need to be on a separate VG?`
`22:12.59`	`hughw`	`hi`
`22:13.20`	`pmo_`	`jair, you can add them on your actual Volume Group if you wish, just like any regular pv`
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`22:13.31`	`hughw`	`is there a tool I can use to resize a NTFS partition so I can install Debian on the free space?`
`22:13.32`	`pmo_`	`jair, vgextend would do just that`
`22:13.39`	`Ace2016`	`hi all`
`22:13.44`	`jair`	`pmo_: I see and the benefit of create all small partitions instead of one big 80GB partition is that I can grow it and reduce as I want.`
`22:13.45`	`Ace2016`	`i am compiling my kernel`
`22:13.55`	`Ace2016`	`and one of the modules failed, it said press enter to continue`
`22:13.57`	`pmo_`	`jair, exactly`
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`22:14.17`	`Agiofws`	`ok thanks guys`
`22:14.23`	`Sero`	`abrotman: first libxft is not installable`
`22:14.26`	`Ace2016`	`should i recompile from scratch with that module unchecked in menuconfig or should i just ignore it, i will not use kvm so i do not care if it cannot be compiled`
`22:14.28`	`pmo_`	`jair, but having on filesystem spread over 2 disks, if one fails, you lose everything`
`22:14.30`	`Vorbote`	`hughw: best bet is to use an specialty partitioning distro. I'm partial to PartitonMagic`
`22:14.38`	`Ace2016`	`i am worried about any errors that may happen if i leave it as it is`
`22:14.38`	`hughw`	`Vorbote, thanks`
`22:14.56`	`abrotman`	`Sero: what's your CPU ?`
`22:14.56`	`jair`	`pmo_: so then is not a good idea to extend the VG`
`22:15.09`	`Sero`	`abrotman: next, on apt-get -f install : tons of libc6 dependencies`
`22:15.13`	`jair`	`pmo_: this 80GB will be use just to store data`
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`22:15.24`	`abrotman`	`Sero: paste your sources in a pastebin`
`22:15.49`	`Sero`	`http://pastebin.com/m4206c786`
`22:15.50`	`jair`	`pmo_: so i should just create a new VG, and then create a couple of PVs from the 80GB drive right so I can have flexibility`
`22:16.06`	`pmo_`	`jair, yes`
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`22:16.41`	`abrotman`	`Sero: change your sources back to sarge .. finish your dist-upgrade there .. install the linux-image-2.6-396`
`22:16.42`	`abrotman`	`386`
`22:16.58`	`Sero`	`my sources are sarge`
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`22:17.08`	`pmo_`	`jair, you'll extend and reduce.. even if you have some spare pv(s),you'll be ablt to use them for your first VG, untill you get a bigger disk.. in emergency`
`22:17.16`	`jair`	`alright. so the first thing is use fdisk or cfdisk to create the partitions?`
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`22:17.32`	`pmo_`	`jair, exaclty`
`22:17.32`	`jair`	`pmo_: great`
`22:17.43`	`Sero`	`that's where I'm at. 2.2 kernel, debian 3.1 trying to get the 2.6 kernel... :(`
`22:17.45`	`karsten`	`abrotman: TML?`
`22:17.49`	`pmo_`	`jair, label all those lvm devices`
`22:18.27`	`abrotman`	`karsten: temporary memory loss`
`22:18.29`	`jair`	`pmo_: I will create eight partitions of 10GB each`
`22:18.42`	`abrotman`	`Sero: change sources to sarge .. install 2.6 kernel`
`22:18.46`	`karsten`	`delire: My attitude is: you can try to patch the system. You can use dpkg/apt to identify all packages with files in /lib and reinstall those packages (I'd try that). If that doesn't work, however, you can spend a lot of time trying to fix something where a reinstall is actually much more straightforward.`
`22:18.50`	`pmo_`	`jair, as you wish :)`
`22:18.57`	`Sero`	`abrotman: deb ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib`
`22:18.57`	`Sero`	`deb-src ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib`
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`22:19.03`	`karsten`	`delire: ... which I've now told you three times. I'm done with thte topic. Good luck.`
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`22:19.23`	`jair`	`pmo_: ok doing it now`
`22:19.34`	`karsten`	`abrotman: Now, if it was only TML that I had to deal with I'd be much happier.`
`22:19.57`	`jescis`	`is there a way to look at images w/o a gui(console/terminal mode)? even on the web?`
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`22:21.11`	`jair`	`pmo_: here => http://rafb.net/p/23SwPx41.html I will select all the partitions primary? or extended?`
`22:21.17`	`Sero`	`abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d5d6f06a7`
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`22:21.43`	`pmo_`	`jair, you can only create 4 primary.. and amoung them 1 extended`
`22:21.45`	`delire`	`karsten: yep, fair words.`
`22:22.20`	`pmo_`	`jair, so create 2/3 primary and one extended.. then create 5 extension`
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`22:24.34`	`jair`	`pmo_: hold on, so (2) primary, (3) extended, and (5) more extended?`
`22:24.46`	`abrotman`	`Sero: you need a security source for sarge`
`22:24.58`	`jair`	`pmo_: ohhh ohhh I got it`
`22:25.00`	`abrotman`	`deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free`
`22:25.11`	`pmo_`	`jair, no.. 2 primary.. 1 extended, and inside the extended.. 6 partitions`
`22:25.18`	`Sero`	`like`
`22:25.18`	`Sero`	`deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free`
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`22:25.24`	`jair`	`pmo_: interesting`
`22:25.31`	`jair`	`pmo_: let me see how can I do that`
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`22:26.03`	`Sero`	`same stuff happens`
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`22:26.29`	`abrotman`	`Sero: apt-get -f install`
`22:26.48`	`k1`	`how does sysv relate to debian or linux ?`
`22:26.58`	`Sero`	`http://pastebin.com/m7db30d64`
`22:27.28`	`abrotman`	`Sero: i'm headed home .. if it can wait i'll be back in a bit`
`22:27.28`	`k1`	`in terms of writing init scripts for linux systems`
`22:27.36`	`dkr`	`k1: the init system :)`
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`22:27.51`	`Sero`	`:(( I guess I'll be waiting :/`
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`22:28.29`	`dutchfish`	`Sero, is this a woody system?`
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`22:28.53`	`chuck`	`what's the name of the metapackage or w/e to install gcc and friends?`
`22:29.00`	`dkr`	`k1: sysV is where the concept of runlevels and init scripts symlinked from run level dirs comes from`
`22:29.27`	`Joelito`	`Hi all, anyone have tryied to use wxwidgets that come from debian repos? I can't compile this code: http://pastebin.com/m2fdb2a2e`
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`22:29.40`	`nicolas-ard`	`hello everybody`
`22:29.43`	`chuck`	`anyone know?`
`22:29.50`	`Joelito`	`it says that: "error: ‘wxCreateApp’ was not declared in this scope"`
`22:29.54`	`k1`	`dkr is it widely supported by most linux distros ?`
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`22:31.08`	`dkr`	`k1: yes, but better are methods are on the rise, e.g. many are trying systems that allow parallelization of initialization to speed up the boot process`
`22:31.14`	`k1`	`dkr i just don't understand one guy's pitch on his scripts being sysv compliant`
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`22:32.00`	`jac`	`:-D`
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`22:32.34`	`k1`	`dkr while loking at source code i didn't see anything special, not even proper shutdown handling`
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`22:32.40`	`dkr`	`k1: I would go further than "most" and say, "the overwhelming majority". on the other hand, it's not like it is such a complicated thing to make a sysv init script`
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`22:33.30`	`k1`	`dkr: i usually use skeleton as a base, is it compliant :) ?`
`22:33.59`	`neosix`	`Joelito: ask on channel for c++`
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`22:34.23`	`dkr`	`k1: lsb compliant`
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`22:35.27`	`jair`	`pmo_: here is what happen => http://rafb.net/p/uRLkK874.html I think i need to delete the (4) partition and and it as extended right?`
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`22:36.05`	`action09`	`chuck gcc afaik`
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`22:36.55`	`pmo_`	`jair yes`
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`22:37.17`	`pmo_`	`jair partition 4 should contain all free left space`
`22:37.39`	`k1`	`dkr is there any standard for application so that it has to obey messages like start stop restart , in linux ?`
`22:37.48`	`pmo_`	`jair, then inside this free space, you create partitions you need`
`22:38.07`	`dkr`	`!tell k1 about lsb`
`22:38.19`	`jair`	`pmo_: perefect :)`
`22:39.41`	`pmo_`	`jair if all are labeled pvm,you can do pvcreate, if they are already recognized and get all of them, as /dev/sda.. till 8`
`22:39.48`	`k1`	`thanks`
`22:39.55`	`pmo_`	`jair, oops sdb not sda`
`22:41.15`	`pmo_`	`jair, pvcreate /dev/sdb[1235678] or something similar`
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`22:42.28`	`jair`	`pmo_: almost there`
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`22:43.11`	`jescis`	`Hello everyone \o/ I need to know if there's a console program to view images. also if there's a console web browser that allows images and videos to be viewed in console mode?`
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`22:43.57`	`dkr`	`jescis: qiv`
`22:44.07`	`dkr`	`jescis: no`
`22:44.43`	`jescis`	`bummer -_-`
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`22:45.06`	`dkr`	`my first answer is wrong though`
`22:45.23`	`jair`	`pmo_: this is what i have now => http://rafb.net/p/H5UWLb61.html three partitions (primary) 10GB each and one extended partition with all the rest of disk space, it is this ok?`
`22:45.51`	`jescis`	`dkr: how so?`
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`22:46.21`	`dkr`	`jescis: qiv is a commandline app, but not a console app. it relies on X`
`22:46.37`	`charzero`	`I recall an ncurses frontend for APT that would let me set which packages where manual install and which were dependencies only. What is it?`
`22:46.38`	`jescis`	`oh`
`22:46.44`	`pmo_`	`jair, yes,now you have to create partitions inside the extended partition`
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`22:48.22`	`jescis`	`also I left, because I got carried away with alt+Fn that I had to reboot.`
`22:48.34`	`jair`	`pmo_: beautiful =) http://rafb.net/p/OpXaMs31.html`
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`22:49.42`	`pmo_`	`jair, then label them as lvm too`
`22:49.46`	`kombi`	`can you set up imap just for one user?`
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`22:50.40`	`pmo_`	`charzero, aptitude ???`
`22:50.45`	`kombi`	`got this postfix box with quite a few users, just one wants imap. possible?`
`22:51.10`	`charzero`	`pmo_: Oh, hey. I'm so used to running it with options I forgot it did that. Thanks.`
`22:52.00`	`pmo_`	`this room, is curious to me, never seen so few people in here ? i wonder why it is like that, now ?`
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`22:52.34`	`jair`	`pmo_: ok i will do that right now`
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`22:55.52`	`SyntaXe`	`testing mIRC on debian :)`
`22:56.35`	`jair`	`pmo_: done :) => http://rafb.net/p/qzCJ8477.html`
`22:56.51`	`jair`	`pmo_: should i do "w" now to write the changes?`
`22:57.03`	`pmo_`	`jair, yes you definitly have`
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`22:57.59`	`jair`	`pmo_: ok`
`22:58.44`	`jair`	`pmo_: ok is done now`
`22:58.49`	`pmo_`	`jair, then pvcreate on all new partitions`
`22:59.02`	`jair`	`can I do all of them in one line?`
`22:59.02`	`pmo_`	`jair, pvcreate /dev/sdb[1. .. etc`
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`22:59.33`	`jair`	`pmo_: like this: pvcreate /dev/sdb[1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]`
`22:59.44`	`pmo_`	`jair, no`
`22:59.55`	`jair`	`pmo_:do i need to do it individual :(`
`22:59.59`	`jair`	`hahaha`
`23:00.08`	`pmo_`	`jair, pvcreate /dev/sdb[12356789]`
`23:00.15`	`jair`	`pmo_: nice`
`23:00.23`	`pmo_`	`jair, not sure it will all work`
`23:00.26`	`jair`	`pmo_: ok doing that right now this is beautiful`
`23:00.28`	`jair`	`love it`
`23:00.39`	`jair`	`let me try`
`23:00.40`	`mmpf`	`i installed from apt-get samba`
`23:00.46`	`mmpf`	`and my autoconfigured network stopped workign`
`23:00.48`	`mmpf`	`what happened??`
`23:02.02`	`pmo_`	`mmpf, doesnt seem related, unless, you were actuallly using a samba partition.. and it broke`
`23:02.04`	`jair`	`pmo_: check this baby out :-) => http://rafb.net/p/lpd3nC76.html`
`23:02.35`	`SexyKen`	`Hey - can fsck check a 3tb volume that is a GPT disk?`
`23:02.40`	`jair`	`pmo_: so i am ready to rock and roll now with LVM commands`
`23:02.52`	`pmo_`	`jair, ok, now vgcreate .. and lvcreate`
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`23:04.08`	`MojoRisin`	`hi all`
`23:04.11`	`pmo_`	`jair, vgcreate <whatevernameyouwantogivetovolume> /dev/sdb[12356789]`
`23:06.23`	`pmo_`	`jair, then lvcreate --name <nameoflogicalvolume> <nameofvolumegroup> and /dev/sdb.. if there are any you want to include..`
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`23:07.12`	`puchu`	`hi`
`23:07.18`	`puchu`	`where can i set the LANG variable?`
`23:07.26`	`jair`	`pmo_: ok`
`23:07.30`	`jair`	`pmo_: will do`
`23:07.49`	`jair`	`pmo_: I mean I am working on it :D`
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`23:08.31`	`pmo_`	`jair, you are not obliged to put already all disks in same volume, depends the size of the volume you want to make /need`
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`23:12.12`	`jair`	`pmo_: I add all the disks to the same VG`
`23:12.22`	`abrotman`	`Sero: any progress?`
`23:12.25`	`pmo_`	`jair, ok`
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`23:12.29`	`pmo_`	`jair, vgcreate <whatevernameyouwantogivetovolume> /dev/sdb[12356789]`
`23:12.47`	`abrotman`	`t00t: fail`
`23:12.49`	`jair`	`pmo_: but here => jair, then lvcreate --name <nameoflogicalvolume> <nameofvolumegroup> and /dev/sdb.. if there are any you want to include.. I will add just three for now 30GB`
`23:12.50`	`puchu`	`where can i set the LANG variable?`
`23:13.06`	`abrotman`	`puchu: /etc/environment`
`23:13.10`	`t00t`	`was testing the ame alias for irssi XD and succeeded, didnt know it was multiserver though`
`23:13.10`	`jair`	`pmo_: is that ok?`
`23:13.21`	`pmo_`	`jair, is ok`
`23:13.38`	`t00t`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:13.54`	`pmo_`	`puchu, .bashrc`
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`23:14.03`	`abrotman`	`t00t: you're a big failure`
`23:14.21`	`t00t`	`abrotman: i knew that already but thank you for sharping my memory`
`23:14.30`	`pmo_`	`puchu, or.. /etc/bash...`
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`23:15.08`	`pmo_`	`jair, you are quiet ready to be anotherone ;-)`
`23:15.11`	`puchu`	`pmo_ t00t thanks`
`23:15.26`	`puchu`	`abrotman thanks`
`23:15.48`	`assasukasse`	`hi is that possible to restart oss? it locked my sound out`
`23:15.54`	`assasukasse`	`i was using java and it crashed`
`23:16.00`	`assasukasse`	`then i killed it`
`23:16.04`	`assasukasse`	`but oss is still locked`
`23:16.38`	`puchu`	`assasukasse restart the alsa daemon`
`23:17.10`	`assasukasse`	`puchu: unfortunately doesn't work, my oss still locked`
`23:17.37`	`puchu`	`is oss emulation a kernel module?`
`23:18.03`	`puchu`	`or is it build into the kernel staticaly?`
`23:18.12`	`puchu`	`@assasukasse`
`23:18.22`	`abrotman`	`assasukasse: lsof \| grep /dev/dsp`
`23:18.28`	`assasukasse`	`abrotman: clean`
`23:18.33`	`assasukasse`	`nothing seems to lock it`
`23:18.38`	`assasukasse`	`it happened before`
`23:18.41`	`abrotman`	`might be another device?`
`23:18.59`	`assasukasse`	`abrotman: i will give a look`
`23:19.13`	`assasukasse`	`it happened before, and by restarting X it was fixed`
`23:19.28`	`assasukasse`	`but i don't wanna be tied to X restarts..`
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`23:21.05`	`jair`	`pmo_: :)`
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`23:21.51`	`pmo_`	`jair, finished ?`
`23:22.13`	`jair`	`pmo_: I have a call right now but I am working and trying to finish`
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`23:25.48`	`HSorgYves`	`is libapache-mod-dosevasive based on apache or on apache2?`
`23:27.52`	`joltcan`	`If it doesn't say libapache2-foo then it is apache1`
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`23:28.23`	`joltcan`	`HSorgYves: you can do apt-cache show <name> to get a more detailed description and look at the dependencies and see which apache it depends on`
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`23:28.52`	`HSorgYves`	`joltcan - i tryed, even looked on the website, but i am not sure`
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`23:29.43`	`joltcan`	`HSorgYves: Depends: apache-common (>= 1.3.28)`
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`23:30.17`	`HSorgYves`	`joltcan: yes saw that, but isn't >= 1.3.28 also < 2.0?`
`23:30.33`	`abrotman`	`it would be apache2-common if it were apache2`
`23:30.35`	`joltcan`	`HSorgYves: Do apt-cache show and read the comment on the line next to the bottom`
`23:31.16`	`HSorgYves`	`abrotman: ok so it is apache 1.3.* as i thought`
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`23:31.19`	`joltcan`	`The line starts with "This module only works on..."`
`23:31.34`	`joltcan`	`Good night!`
`23:32.06`	`HSorgYves`	`joltcan: thx`
`23:32.52`	`HSorgYves`	`is evasive available for apache2?`
`23:33.15`	`HockeyInJune`	`What happens after I use gcc to compile a *.c source code file on linux? Is there an executable made instantly? Where can I find it?`
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`23:33.27`	`abrotman`	`HockeyInJune: ls a.out`
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`23:33.51`	`ftp3`	`is there a simple (fast) way to scan a class c for used/unused ips? (ie, up or down)`
`23:34.03`	`HockeyInJune`	`What does that do?`
`23:34.17`	`abrotman`	`is it there?`
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`23:34.25`	`HockeyInJune`	`no..`
`23:34.46`	`HockeyInJune`	`The source code is still there, nothing else`
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`23:36.32`	`HockeyInJune`	`What am I supposed to see?`
`23:37.32`	`petemc`	`ftp3: nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24`
`23:37.40`	`abrotman`	`HockeyInJune: how did you compile it ?`
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`23:38.01`	`BrianSteffens`	`HockeyInJune: If it compiled successfully, it will make a file a.out. You may have to chmod +x a.out to make it executable. And then ./a.out to run it`
`23:38.20`	`HockeyInJune`	`Wait, I think I forgot the output file :/`
`23:38.22`	`HockeyInJune`	`One minute`
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`23:38.42`	`abrotman`	`HockeyInJune: it makes an a.out if you don't specify with -o`
`23:38.52`	`HockeyInJune`	`oh`
`23:38.57`	`HockeyInJune`	`I didnt get that`
`23:39.05`	`HockeyInJune`	`Do I have to be root?`
`23:39.08`	`BrianSteffens`	`Did it say it worked?`
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`23:39.55`	`abrotman`	`HockeyInJune: which version of debian is this?`
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`23:40.53`	`HockeyInJune`	`4.0 r2`
`23:40.57`	`zok`	`I just came here to let you all know that debian is my new favorite distro.`
`23:41.10`	`BrianSteffens`	`zok: high five :)`
`23:41.10`	`zok`	`Having been a longterm slackware fan, this is pretty nice`
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`23:41.27`	`zok`	`This beats the crap out of Fedora also`
`23:41.28`	`dob1`	`hi, there are some alternatives to vnc ? (other than export the X session)`
`23:41.37`	`zok`	`apt-get works soooo much better than yum`
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`23:41.43`	`abrotman`	`dob1: rdp ? vnc?`
`23:41.44`	`zok`	`So keep up the good work, debian!`
`23:42.40`	`dob1`	`abrotman, what is rdp ?`
`23:42.48`	`abrotman`	`remote desktop protocol`
`23:43.04`	`dob1`	`abrotman, it is not a windows service?`
`23:43.25`	`abrotman`	`!info xrdp`
`23:43.32`	`dpkg`	`xrdp: (Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.0~dfsg-4 (sid), Packaged size: 190 kB, Installed size: 580 kB`
`23:44.04`	`jair`	`pmo_: are you still there?`
`23:44.20`	`dob1`	`abrotman, ah ok, unlucky it is not on ethc :(`
`23:44.28`	`dob1`	`*etch`
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`23:44.50`	`pmo_`	`jair, yes, but not for long`
`23:44.54`	`jair`	`hmm`
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`23:45.08`	`jair`	`I am trying to understand how I should name the LV`
`23:45.21`	`BrianSteffens`	`dob1: You can still install it`
`23:45.52`	`abrotman`	`dob1: vnc or remote x are probably the easiest`
`23:45.55`	`Multiply`	`How can I send a command to a program which is launched into the background, if I've only got the PID?`
`23:46.34`	`metaperl`	`I need a cd ripper besides Sound Juicer`
`23:46.53`	`abrotman`	`grip`
`23:47.03`	`metaperl`	`aight, thanks`
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`23:48.09`	`nelf`	`Multiply: using the 'kill' command, you can send signals to a process (program). Depends on the program and what it's listening for.`
`23:48.26`	`dob1`	`yes seems the same as vnc, no need to change it then`
`23:48.32`	`Multiply`	`kill? o.o`
`23:48.45`	`nelf`	`Multiply: There are some 'signals' that programs cannot ignore :)`
`23:48.53`	`BrianSteffens`	`lol`
`23:49.08`	`Multiply`	`It's not really a signal, is it?`
`23:49.18`	`Multiply`	`It's rather like a command, that you type in the shell.`
`23:49.48`	`nelf`	`Multiply: It's a command you type into a shell that sends a signal to a process`
`23:49.59`	`pmo_`	`Jaif, it is the LV that you will use to mount your file system.. so you talked about data, then you can name it something like lv_data,or similar`
`23:50.03`	`Multiply`	`I know.`
`23:50.13`	`BrianSteffens`	`By default it sends a kill signal, but it can send any signal you tell it to`
`23:50.18`	`Multiply`	`But I don't want to terminate the process`
`23:50.42`	`nelf`	`What do you want to tell the process, Multiply?`
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`23:50.54`	`BrianSteffens`	`http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl1_kill.htm`
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`23:51.29`	`n3ry_`	`http://216.83.134.89/help.txt its my questiom... if some1 can help me ill be very gracious... thanks....`
`23:52.00`	`nelf`	`If signals aren't up to it, named pipes allow you to transfer more complex info between processes.`
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`23:53.14`	`nelf`	`personally I talk to my processes to get them to do things, and if that doesn't work, I shout`
`23:53.59`	`nelf`	`They rarely listen, but it makes me feel better`
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`23:55.35`	`w33d5`	`does somebody know the config file name to change the timeout of sudo?`
`23:56.01`	`jair`	`pmo_: I think i will have to follow the tutorial online. You can go if you have to.`
`23:56.28`	`abrotman`	`w33d5: man sudoers`
`23:56.33`	`nelf`	`w33d5: google "debian sudo timeout"`
`23:56.50`	`jair`	`pmo_: if I want to keep in touch with you, may I have your email?`
`23:57.02`	`pmo_`	`jair, ok :) bye and good luck.. but well it is pretty finished;. and nothing prevent you to make a small test.. and destroy and recreate it afterwards, to make you more confident`
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`23:57.54`	`w33d5`	`sudoers`
`23:57.55`	`w33d5`	`thanks`
`23:57.56`	`w33d5`	`!@`
`23:57.56`	`dpkg`	`i guess @ is where it's at`
`23:58.04`	`enveezee`	`how come I have my sata set to RAID in the BIOS and it shows up AHCI as two 500GB drives in D-I?`
`23:58.23`	`enveezee`	`can I do a raid install with just a standard netinstall disc?`
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`23:59.11`	`pmo_`	`email.. well i am actually trying to setup something about it :(.. to ask me now.. it is already such a mess.., is not difficult you pretty end up.. it is finished now..`
`23:59.18`	`Wingard`	`<.<`
`23:59.20`	`Wingard`	`>.>`
`23:59.26`	`Wingard`	`Is there a channel that I can get help with WINE in?`
`23:59.43`	`n3ry_`	`root@router:~# ./script`
`23:59.43`	`n3ry_`	`sh#`
`23:59.54`	`pmo_`	`pvcreate --name lv_test /dev/sdc6 vg... ; mkfs /dev/vg../lv_test etc..`

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