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| 00:01.43 | abrotman | Wingard: #winehq |
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| 00:02.09 | jair | pmo_: can i get your email then? |
| 00:02.16 | pmo_ | jair, take care, can't exactly provide email, since i am trying to set it up.. and it looks like a real, mess, i dont know what i will just try to keep or create, also.. well i am tired to think about it, tonight.. though.. no, i could give you an email, and i am not even sure, either i will have to drop it, due to spam or keep it, but will barely never look at it;. is real mess, sorry, was the reason i came in here at the first p |
| 00:02.16 | pmo_ | lace.. |
| 00:02.16 | abrotman | jair: or find him here ? |
| 00:02.23 | jair | haha |
| 00:02.25 | jair | :) |
| 00:02.33 | jair | abrotman: I always find you here :P |
| 00:02.48 | jair | but I have never seehimn here before. |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | he's french .. they smell! |
| 00:03.41 | jescis | lol @ abrotman |
| 00:03.43 | pmo_ | also i smell, so bye, on the other hand, not sure bush doesnt smell, far more, then i may ever doin my whole life.. but that is bush |
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| 00:04.53 | pmo_ | jair, email is mess, in here, that is real, bye, i may see you again here, i may come tommorow, i dont come oftne usually, but tommorow good chance.. take care ;-) |
| 00:05.01 | enveezee | can I just install onto one drive then setup raid later to mirror the other? |
| 00:05.18 | jescis | pmo_: I beleive John Kerry would've been worse. |
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| 00:05.26 | pmo_ | jescis, impossible |
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| 00:05.46 | jescis | pmo_: how? |
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| 00:06.02 | w33d5 | any idea how to fix this ? i chmod'd /etc/sudoers to 700 and now all i get is "sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0700, should be 0440" |
| 00:06.05 | pmo_ | jescis, john kerry was a state man, and a war hero, bush was the son of a president |
| 00:06.21 | abrotman | uh .. #politics |
| 00:06.33 | abrotman | w33d5: what does it say ? |
| 00:06.36 | w33d5 | ...son of the director of the CIA |
| 00:06.37 | w33d5 | ! |
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| 00:07.07 | w33d5 | that's it sudo is 0700 and should be 0400 |
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| 00:07.37 | jescis | pmo_: abrotman's right. Into #politics I go. |
| 00:07.42 | georgy_28_ | enveezee, : yes have a look at http://tldp.net/HOWTO/html_single/Software-RAID-HOWTO/#ss6.1 |
| 00:07.45 | w33d5 | i think i'm stuck in a catch22 b/c i cant sudo to change it back b/c of the sudoers file being 0700 |
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| 00:07.49 | abrotman | w33d5: so what's the fix ? |
| 00:08.06 | w33d5 | changing back /etc/sudoers back to 0400 |
| 00:08.15 | w33d5 | while its 0700 now |
| 00:08.30 | pmo_ | jair, hmm, on politics you could find me more easily :) Starchat #american-politics i may have an email then |
| 00:08.40 | pgpkeys | when was the last time tldp updated their FAQs? seems everything is roughly 2.2 kernel based, and at least 3 distros-releases behind :/ |
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| 00:09.42 | abrotman | pgpkeys: so fix them |
| 00:09.46 | enveezee | georgy_28_: well I guess I need a kernel with support for my hw raid built in anyway so if I can just install to one drive and then setup raid to mirror it onto the other later that would be the way to go I guess |
| 00:10.10 | pgpkeys | abrotman: general statement. I do enough relating to linux 'community' wise. |
| 00:10.12 | enveezee | one howto I was looking at said to leave unpartitioned space for the RAID superblock or something |
| 00:10.25 | pmo_ | my word about bush to simplify.. "the shame of the west" |
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| 00:10.43 | abrotman | pgpkeys: pay enveezee .. he just sits around all day :) |
| 00:10.49 | pgpkeys | hehe |
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| 00:11.45 | pgpkeys | enveezee: or if you don't rebuild a custom kernel you can add the ko to a floppy and, at the installer's prompt for extra drivers, feed it |
| 00:12.41 | enveezee | hah, I'm trying to setup this damn server but its being a pain in the ass right now |
| 00:12.43 | pgpkeys | that usually takes place *long* before it starts the install |
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| 00:13.28 | enveezee | seems to stall on the format at 33% |
| 00:14.02 | pgpkeys | check the install virtual term. (vt4or5) |
| 00:14.26 | enveezee | yeah i thought about it but I figured I'd just wait a few minutes |
| 00:15.16 | pgpkeys | see if it reports anything. also, vt2 (ALT + 2) should be usable which should allow a dmesg to see what's posted. and if there's an error with your kernel mod(s) it would be in /var/log/syslog|messages|kernel |
| 00:15.20 | pgpkeys | ahh gotcha |
| 00:15.30 | enveezee | it finally went on to the timezone config |
| 00:16.03 | pgpkeys | just not waiting long enough for the format to complete then |
| 00:16.55 | enveezee | it didn't move but from 0% straight to 33% then dissapeared a few minutes later |
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| 00:20.18 | cva | brain fart here, what is the package, that while building from source, replaces the make install command and will build a packge and install it instead? |
| 00:20.58 | GhostlyDeath_ | Can I use a driver that isn't "b43-pci-bridge"? |
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| 00:21.20 | {Roger} | anyone know a good irc relay bot ? |
| 00:21.23 | petemc | cva: checkinstall |
| 00:21.26 | pgpkeys | dpkg-deb --build? |
| 00:21.30 | RyanRyan52 | Is there a tool that will allow me to download a package from a different repo without adding it to my sources.list. (On my debian server I frequently download the source to an Ubuntu package, and I would like to do something as easy as 'apt-get source') |
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| 00:21.42 | cva | petemc: thanks, I kept thinking cleaninstall |
| 00:21.58 | HockeyInJune | eh, What happens if I install KDE without kdm? |
| 00:22.10 | {Roger} | HockeyInJune, it wont start automaticly |
| 00:22.11 | RyanRyan52 | HockeyInJune: it will work |
| 00:22.13 | {Roger} | you'll need to startx it |
| 00:22.21 | abrotman | RyanRyan52: uh .. apt-get source ? |
| 00:22.30 | RyanRyan52 | HockeyInJune: as long as you have some login manager |
| 00:22.39 | RyanRyan52 | abrotman: from ubuntu |
| 00:22.39 | HockeyInJune | oh, no difference in appearence? |
| 00:22.48 | abrotman | RyanRyan52: you're on your own |
| 00:22.49 | RyanRyan52 | HockeyInJune: nope |
| 00:22.55 | HockeyInJune | So like kdm is just the login manager? |
| 00:22.56 | RyanRyan52 | I'm not on ubuntu |
| 00:23.06 | RyanRyan52 | I want to download a source package from ubuntu |
| 00:23.09 | RyanRyan52 | I use debian |
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| 00:23.31 | RyanRyan52 | HockeyInJune: yup |
| 00:23.34 | spyroboy | Uhm, where are the weekly-builds? |
| 00:23.45 | RyanRyan52 | spyroboy: google search help |
| 00:23.53 | spyroboy | No. |
| 00:23.53 | RyanRyan52 | **helps |
| 00:23.54 | spyroboy | I mean. |
| 00:23.57 | spyroboy | They're not there. |
| 00:24.01 | HockeyInJune | Excellent, much thanx RyanRyan52 |
| 00:24.04 | RyanRyan52 | ohhh... |
| 00:24.05 | spyroboy | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/ |
| 00:24.08 | spyroboy | It's all empty. |
| 00:24.32 | RyanRyan52 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:24.38 | RyanRyan52 | doesn't look empty to me :D |
| 00:24.57 | RyanRyan52 | ohh...sorry |
| 00:25.00 | RyanRyan52 | I didn't read |
| 00:25.01 | spyroboy | ... |
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| 00:25.26 | RyanRyan52 | spyroboy: ask in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 00:25.44 | spyroboy | heh. |
| 00:25.49 | abrotman | spyroboy: yes .. that's normal |
| 00:25.59 | spyroboy | How's that normal? |
| 00:26.10 | abrotman | because they don't always make weekly builds .. use the netinst |
| 00:26.16 | abrotman | or use the etch and upgrae |
| 00:26.19 | spyroboy | I can't use the netinst. |
| 00:26.25 | abrotman | why not? |
| 00:26.32 | spyroboy | Network issues. |
| 00:26.34 | spyroboy | I just can't. |
| 00:26.46 | abrotman | so you're going to run a testing system that's woefully out of date? |
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| 00:27.00 | spyroboy | I've run into this crap about 3463256742353 times, if I say I can't, take my word for it. |
| 00:27.07 | abrotman | no? |
| 00:27.12 | spyroboy | No. I'm looking for the current weekly builds. |
| 00:27.18 | abrotman | i just told you |
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| 00:28.17 | spyroboy | I'm not sure what indirect answer you may have given me. |
| 00:28.21 | RyanRyan52 | spyroboy: just so you know, i386 runs on amd64 hardware...but you still should not use the weekly build |
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| 00:28.47 | spyroboy | RyanRyan52, just to let you know, I already know that. |
| 00:29.00 | spyroboy | Secondly, I've always used the weekly build. |
| 00:29.16 | enveezee | hmm I'm getting like 250kb/s or better from mirrors.kernel.org but inital lookups and pings are slow as hell |
| 00:29.17 | abrotman | then you should know why they aren't there |
| 00:29.25 | enveezee | sounds like a dns issue of some kind |
| 00:29.40 | spyroboy | abrotman, that's a lame excuse. |
| 00:29.48 | abrotman | spyroboy: so you're willing to build them? |
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| 00:30.21 | enveezee | doesn't seem to be happening on this box so I guess I need to see the resolv.conf on that box :-P |
| 00:30.31 | spyroboy | abrotman, and my answer to that is going to be? |
| 00:30.42 | spyroboy | Absolutely not. That's not my problem. |
| 00:30.43 | abrotman | spyroboy: then don't complain about them not being there |
| 00:30.49 | abrotman | apparently it is your problem |
| 00:31.03 | abrotman | you can't tell us why you can't use etch .. you don't have network .. and there are no weekly builds |
| 00:31.04 | spyroboy | Alright. |
| 00:31.08 | CalJohn_ | spyroboy: there are no weekly builds this week. get over it and use a different build. |
| 00:31.16 | abrotman | there are weekly builds for i386 if you want to use those |
| 00:31.19 | spyroboy | CalJohn_, this week? |
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| 00:31.38 | CalJohn_ | spyroboy: as abrotman said, weekly builds are not always made |
| 00:31.39 | abrotman | spyroboy: might be there next week |
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| 00:31.46 | spyroboy | Alright. |
| 00:31.50 | spyroboy | That's the answer I was looking for. |
| 00:31.50 | abrotman | spyroboy: i've seen them there .. last i saw them was a few weeks ago |
| 00:31.56 | k-man_ | whats the option for rsync to tell it to not actually do the sync, just simulate it? |
| 00:31.58 | abrotman | i said that five minutes ago! |
| 00:31.59 | spyroboy | I'm not sure why I got a bunch of irrelevant information. |
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| 00:32.44 | spyroboy | abrotman, as I've said, I'm not sure what indirect answer you may have given me. |
| 00:32.53 | abrotman | k-man_: man rsync ... /dry-run |
| 00:32.54 | spyroboy | CalJohn_, thank you. |
| 00:33.00 | abrotman | spyroboy: the same one he just gave you |
| 00:33.00 | spyroboy | I'll make my way out then. |
| 00:33.03 | abrotman | and he said i said it |
| 00:33.11 | k-man_ | abrotman, damn! thanks abrotman, couldn't for the life of me find it in the man page |
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| 00:34.24 | CalJohn_ | abrotman: spyroboy was an idiot ;) |
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| 00:35.54 | abrotman | CalJohn_: he's been here before |
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| 00:43.54 | Jeremified | Woah, 777 users exactly |
| 00:43.56 | simonrvn | abrotman: that doesn't make it right :P ("abrotman> CalJohn_: he's been here before") |
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| 00:44.07 | Jeremified | Anyway, is this the right place to ask something about chmod? |
| 00:44.18 | abrotman | simonrvn: i know |
| 00:44.22 | blizzow | Which image should I download for a x86_64 server? |
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| 00:44.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: he's had the same attitude before |
| 00:44.28 | Mantaar | Jeremified: ask away. |
| 00:44.47 | Mantaar | blizzow: do you want to run 64 bit apps? |
| 00:44.49 | Clutch | I downloaded both ia64 iso images (business card and small), but neither boots the installer. Any known problems with the iso? |
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| 00:45.00 | blizzow | Mantaar yes |
| 00:45.09 | Jeremified | What's the chmod number to use on a web server, so that its contents are viewable to the public from website.com/directory/ ? |
| 00:45.17 | abrotman | blizzow: the amd64 one |
| 00:45.32 | simonrvn | abrotman: i thankfully missed it... ;) |
| 00:45.42 | abrotman | simonrvn: it was awhile ago |
| 00:45.42 | Jeremified | *The chmod number would apply to the directory |
| 00:45.45 | Mantaar | blizzow: distribution (stable/testing)? abrotman is right though, just download amd64 |
| 00:45.46 | dondelelcaro | Jeremified: 644 or similar, 755 for directories. |
| 00:45.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell Jeremified -about permissions |
| 00:46.05 | blizzow | ok thanks! |
| 00:46.11 | abrotman | Mantaar: if it's a server .. stable |
| 00:46.17 | Jeremified | Ok. |
| 00:46.51 | Mantaar | abrotman: depends on the server. If it's my home server that needs to run mythtv and pulseaudio, I might not opt for stable. |
| 00:47.37 | Jeremified | Well, it says that users have all permissions (rwx), but I receive this message when I try to access the directory: |
| 00:47.42 | Jeremified | "You don't have permission to access /dir/ on this server." |
| 00:48.02 | Jeremified | Do I need an index.htm? |
| 00:48.37 | Mantaar | Jeremified: If it's apache, you have to enbale the Indexes option for that direcotry. |
| 00:48.43 | dondelelcaro | Jeremified: if dirindex isn't on for that directory, yes. |
| 00:48.50 | Mantaar | otherwise it won't work. |
| 00:49.34 | Jeremified | Ok, I'm not sure if I can do that since I'm just using a hosting site. (I don't have full access to the server itself) |
| 00:50.10 | Clutch | Anyone know where I can get a bootable netinstall iso for ia64? The image from the Debian download does not boot. |
| 00:50.17 | abrotman | Clutch: what's your CPU ? |
| 00:50.27 | Clutch | Turion |
| 00:50.31 | abrotman | Clutch: you want amd64 |
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| 00:51.03 | Clutch | I'm such an idiot!! thanks abrotman. |
| 00:51.03 | Mantaar | Jeremified: if you have php enabled or maybe even ssi, you could try to simulate that behaviour. sometimes .htaccess files will work, too, but you have to consult the sysadmin. |
| 00:51.18 | abrotman | Clutch: hey .. you didn't have to tell us .. we already knew! :) |
| 00:51.36 | Clutch | I can't believe I did that. Doh. |
| 00:52.03 | Clutch | Thanks again |
| 00:56.00 | SexyKen | Guys I need some help |
| 00:56.05 | SexyKen | I'm having a problem and it's pissing me off! |
| 00:56.51 | neosix | SexyKen: what is the problem? |
| 00:57.07 | SexyKen | Sorry - I was preparing the error messages during my fsck. |
| 00:57.09 | SexyKen | Restarting e2fsck from the beginning...Group descriptors look bad... trying backup blocks...bsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb1The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid. . . . then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock. . . . e2fsck: io manager magic bad! |
| 00:57.24 | SexyKen | This is for a GPT table - with almost 3.5 TB of space |
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| 00:58.18 | neosix | SexyKen: well maybe somebody can help you, I don't know that |
| 00:58.36 | SexyKen | Damn :-0*( |
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| 01:00.21 | abrotman | SexyKen: so use the alternate superblock ? |
| 01:00.39 | SexyKen | abrotman: I'm not sure I understand? |
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| 01:01.37 | abrotman | dumpe2fs <device> | less .. there's a backup superblock somewhere |
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| 01:03.10 | SexyKen | So you mean this is one: Backup superblock at 8193, Group descriptors at 8194-8194 |
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| 01:04.24 | icesword | abrotman, hello |
| 01:04.33 | abrotman | NO! |
| 01:04.49 | SexyKen | No? |
| 01:04.56 | abrotman | not you |
| 01:05.00 | abrotman | SexyKen: that's one .. yes |
| 01:05.08 | icesword | abrotman, no what |
| 01:05.17 | abrotman | SexyKen: as an FYI .. you can have multiple backup superblocks |
| 01:05.24 | SexyKen | Ohh. So I'd issue "fsck -b 8193 /dev/sdb1" - and that'd be okay? |
| 01:05.27 | SexyKen | I do, I have about 6 |
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| 01:05.42 | Wingard | I'm having a problem installing the newest version of WINE, and I have no idea what the error means. Can someone help me, please? |
| 01:05.54 | abrotman | Wingard: #winehq |
| 01:06.00 | icesword | what is it,./ |
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| 01:06.20 | abrotman | ravenbird: you got lost! |
| 01:06.21 | ravenbird | abrotman: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 01:06.33 | icesword | abrotman, when will lenny be out |
| 01:06.38 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 01:06.38 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/02/msg00002.html |
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| 01:06.46 | SexyKen | abrotman: Is that the proper comamnd - and is fsck okay to run on gpt tables? |
| 01:06.52 | icesword | hmm |
| 01:07.01 | abrotman | SexyKen: no idea what gpt is |
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| 01:08.03 | SexyKen | In computer hardware, GUID Partition Table (GPT) is a standard for the layout of the partition table on a physical hard disk. It is a part of the Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) standard proposed by Intel as a replacement for the obsolescent PC BIOS, one of the few remaining relics of the original IBM PC. EFI uses GPT where BIOS uses a Master Boot Record (MBR). |
| 01:08.18 | abrotman | SexyKen: you made me cry! |
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| 01:08.38 | SexyKen | Why? |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | is there something special about it vs a regular ext2/3 partition ? |
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| 01:09.36 | SexyKen | Well it's the partition table that makes the difference. But I still issued the normal mkfs or whatever command as normal |
| 01:09.43 | SexyKen | It accepts partitions large than 2tb |
| 01:09.51 | icesword | hmm |
| 01:09.57 | SexyKen | Which couldn't be done with a DOS partition table |
| 01:10.22 | icesword | it is expensive ? |
| 01:10.31 | SexyKen | NO! |
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| 01:11.38 | icesword | !NO |
| 01:11.38 | dpkg | No Offense |
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| 01:14.18 | ashk4n | hey all |
| 01:14.28 | ashk4n | i got stuck updating to 2.6.18 from 2.6.8 |
| 01:14.44 | ashk4n | specifically, the system hangs after discovering all the harddisks |
| 01:14.47 | ashk4n | any thoughts |
| 01:14.52 | ashk4n | i followed the release-notes process |
| 01:15.04 | ashk4n | made sure initrd-tools was installed |
| 01:15.16 | ashk4n | and modified the path for grub to /usr/sbin |
| 01:16.14 | cheesebob | Is ZFS available for debian? |
| 01:16.27 | icesword | hmm,how do you upgrade |
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| 01:17.10 | abrotman | ashk4n: sata ? |
| 01:17.15 | abrotman | cheesebob: is it available for linux ? |
| 01:17.28 | ashk4n | scsi main drive (/ and /var), IDE data drives |
| 01:17.34 | cheesebob | it is for ubuntu |
| 01:17.46 | abrotman | ashk4n: which scsi controller ? |
| 01:17.51 | abrotman | cheesebob: golly .. ask #ubuntu |
| 01:18.04 | cheesebob | but i run debian... |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | it's for ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu |
| 01:18.27 | icesword | let us see what is zfs |
| 01:18.30 | icesword | !ZFS |
| 01:18.31 | dpkg | [zfs] http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
| 01:18.39 | cheesebob | it was written for opensolaris and is now on freebsd and ubuntu so far as i know |
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| 01:21.34 | ashk4n | abrot: adaptec |
| 01:21.35 | Mantaar | but zfs has the drawback of currently still relying on FUSE afair |
| 01:22.20 | abrotman | ashk4n: do you know more than that ? it's possible the driver isn't there |
| 01:23.16 | ashk4n | ya |
| 01:23.32 | ashk4n | basicaly its says "chec root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline" |
| 01:23.37 | ashk4n | or missing modules |
| 01:23.41 | ashk4n | and then drops me into busybox |
| 01:23.51 | ashk4n | ooh |
| 01:23.57 | ashk4n | it says /dev/sda1 doesnt exist |
| 01:24.02 | cheesebob | Mantaar, why is a user mode file system a problem? |
| 01:24.06 | abrotman | do you know which driver it's supposed to use? |
| 01:24.39 | ashk4n | i can reboot with the 2.6.8 kernel and find out |
| 01:24.51 | Mantaar | cheesebob: increased complexity. More potential fail. |
| 01:25.29 | Mantaar | Other than that FUSE is actually reliable, but non-trivial to set up if you're a newb. (then again, newbs shouldn't touch zfs) |
| 01:26.09 | cheesebob | yeah im going to be trying to link about 10 hdds together that are all < 100 GB to get somethign useful |
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| 01:26.40 | cheesebob | there are some zfs thigns that are beta that id like, encryption for example |
| 01:26.43 | cheesebob | but ill live |
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| 01:27.30 | DustyBin | is there a way to do this on debian etch/lenny: http://opensuse-community.org/SubpixelHinting |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | DustyBin: it's already enabled ? |
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| 01:28.10 | abrotman | i think ? |
| 01:28.12 | cheesebob | ooh subpixel hinting makes my monitor very pretty |
| 01:28.19 | DustyBin | no way that would be against debian policy |
| 01:28.22 | abrotman | DustyBin: if i go into my font properties .. i have that screen |
| 01:28.41 | DustyBin | "The subpixel hinting implementation in freetype2 might infringe Microsoft's ClearType patents, which is why it is disabled both upstream (by the freetype2 authors) and in the freetype2 RPM packages that ship with openSUSE." |
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| 01:28.50 | DustyBin | if opensuse have disabled it so would of debian |
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| 01:29.18 | DustyBin | abrotman: yes you have that screen in gnome but it doesnt work |
| 01:29.19 | cheesebob | fuck you microsoft! except well subpixel hinting isn't actually that obvious... |
| 01:29.23 | cheesebob | so i guess not |
| 01:29.34 | DustyBin | it makes a huge difference on my lcd |
| 01:29.43 | kwame | Hi, I have etch installed but want to use a newer version of packages, that's acomplished by moving up to testing, correct? |
| 01:29.48 | abrotman | DustyBin: uh .. i don't actually like fonts .. but i thought it worked |
| 01:29.54 | abrotman | DustyBin: google "debian sub-pixel" |
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| 01:30.03 | abrotman | !tell kwame about etch->lenny |
| 01:30.10 | DustyBin | abrotman: how can you not like fonts, you spend your whole life staring at them |
| 01:30.43 | kwame | abrotman: so, lenny is the testing version? |
| 01:30.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:31.04 | abrotman | DustyBin: i'm reading the words .. not admiring the curvature of the fonts ? |
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| 01:32.30 | neosix | kwame: yes it is testing but it's very stable |
| 01:32.44 | Mantaar | Wasn't lenny supposed to hit stable soon? |
| 01:32.46 | kwame | neosix: which one is the not so very unstable ? |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 01:32.51 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/02/msg00002.html |
| 01:32.52 | Mantaar | it certainly seems quite stable. |
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| 01:32.56 | kwame | i'm using etch currently |
| 01:33.21 | neosix | kwame: I'm using Lenny and I have no big problem so far |
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| 01:33.23 | kwame | basically, I'm looking for a newer version of gnome |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel lenny |
| 01:33.42 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.3-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 446 kB, Installed size: 988 kB |
| 01:33.43 | Mantaar | kwame: I'd use etch if Iwere you. If you wanna give stuff some testing (like I do) you could try sid, but be prepared to fix things yourself. |
| 01:33.51 | Mantaar | s/etch/lenny/ |
| 01:33.53 | abrotman | Mantaar: do not recommend sid to people |
| 01:34.04 | Mantaar | abrotman: I don't. |
| 01:34.06 | abrotman | Mantaar: unless you'd like to be their personal support group |
| 01:34.17 | kwame | :%s/etch/lenny/g :) |
| 01:34.33 | Mantaar | abrotman: I'll quote myself: "unless you're prepared to fix things yourself" |
| 01:34.36 | ashk4n | abrotman: its a adaptec 2940 |
| 01:34.39 | snacky | quick poll: anyone having any major problems with lenny? |
| 01:34.42 | abrotman | Mantaar: yes .. still .. please don't |
| 01:34.50 | abrotman | ashk4n: you were supposed to check the driver! |
| 01:35.03 | neosix | Lenny is great :D |
| 01:35.04 | ashk4n | im still on |
| 01:35.07 | ashk4n | let me check |
| 01:35.08 | kwame | any know issues with lenny + atheros ar5212 ? |
| 01:35.12 | Mantaar | abrotman: I didn't intend to, I know it's wrong. I need it for the hw support... |
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| 01:35.44 | neosix | O have only a small problems but nothing relevance |
| 01:35.47 | neosix | I* |
| 01:35.51 | DustyBin | is it possible to get compiz working properly with a nvidia 7600 GS gfx card in debian lenny? |
| 01:36.05 | DustyBin | last time i tried compiz i ended up installing 3rd party stuff |
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| 01:36.33 | kwame | ok, here we go, apt-get update --> done |
| 01:36.43 | kwame | apt-get dist-upgrade --> here goes nothing |
| 01:36.45 | Mantaar | DustyBin: well. If you want to stay on the free software side. No. If you want to install the nvidia-binary drivers it's actually quitepossible. |
| 01:37.16 | kwame | this is being done in a apache + mysql production server running 40 websites, do you think I will cause any problems? |
| 01:37.33 | DustyBin | Mantaar: yes i understand i need to install nvidia drivers from non-free but do the compiz packages actually work? |
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| 01:37.57 | Mantaar | DustyBin: ugh. Sorry. No idea. Last time I played with compiz was over half a year ago... |
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| 01:38.06 | Mantaar | but back then it was easy. |
| 01:38.12 | DustyBin | why |
| 01:38.21 | ashk4n | abrotman: aic7xxx |
| 01:38.35 | Mantaar | DustyBin: why what? |
| 01:38.54 | DustyBin | i wondered why back then it was easy |
| 01:39.18 | abrotman | ashk4n: moment .. i don't have an ethc kernel here anymore |
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| 01:39.56 | Mantaar | apt-get install and be done ;-) I'd call that easy. Worked for Me. |
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| 01:40.12 | ashk4n | abrot: np |
| 01:40.12 | abrotman | there is aic7xxx and aic7xxxx-old in etch AFAICT |
| 01:40.23 | abrotman | and also aic79xx |
| 01:40.31 | ashk4n | right |
| 01:40.34 | ashk4n | i think its not loading in time |
| 01:40.43 | ashk4n | or maybe some issue with the way fstab is steup? |
| 01:40.46 | ashk4n | err setup? |
| 01:40.47 | abrotman | you might have ot rework your initrd |
| 01:41.10 | ashk4n | details? |
| 01:41.14 | ashk4n | it worked fine for 2.6.8 |
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| 01:44.18 | kwame | question |
| 01:44.26 | kwame | when doing the apt-get dist-upgrade i get a |
| 01:44.26 | kwame | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | ashk4n: i think they split up the driver |
| 01:44.36 | kwame | and just quits out |
| 01:44.57 | ashk4n | abrotman: ahh ok, so it was built into the kernal prior? |
| 01:45.00 | ashk4n | what do i need to do |
| 01:45.24 | abrotman | change the initrd i think |
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| 01:45.41 | kwame | any ideas? |
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| 01:45.46 | ashk4n | is there a link on what i need to do? |
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| 01:46.55 | ashk4n | i found a link |
| 01:47.27 | ashk4n | http://edseek.com/archives/2004/03/22/creating-an-initrd-image-on-debian-gnulinux/ |
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| 01:48.52 | ashk4n | hmm actually thats confusing |
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| 01:49.01 | ashk4n | it says 'If you are using a kernel newer than 2.6.12, don’t use initrd-tools. It’s unmaintained and may not work. |
| 01:49.36 | dusr | hi all. I'm getting this error msg on my shell: "libc6-i386: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 is to be installed". Having done a little search seems tha my fglrx driver is responsible for it. Have you any ideas on how to solve this ? |
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| 01:51.19 | stew | ashk4n: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 01:51.44 | stew | dusr: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 01:52.11 | ashk4n | stew: do i still need to add my driver to /etc/mkinitrd/modules ? |
| 01:52.13 | dusr | stew: doesnt work :S |
| 01:52.28 | stew | dusr: be more specific |
| 01:52.37 | stew | ashk4n: is it the driver for your root partition? |
| 01:53.09 | ashk4n | stew: yep. i need the driver to be able to read /dev/sda1 |
| 01:53.14 | ashk4n | along with ext3, etc |
| 01:53.15 | stew | ashk4n: oh wait, you are booted to 2.6.8 but are trying to update 2.6.18? |
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| 01:54.17 | ashk4n | stew: ya i rebooted into 2.6.8 so i can access the system |
| 01:54.22 | dusr | stew: on aptitude upgrade I get the same msg: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:54.22 | dusr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.32 | stew | ashk4n: you shouldn't need to if its for your root partition, it should be done automatically, but if you did it would be /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ; if you are trying to update 2.6.18, it would be something like "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" where $version is the version string matching the directory in /lib/modules, something like 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 01:54.40 | ashk4n | im trying to 'upgrade' to 2.6.18 but its having errors access /dev/sda |
| 01:55.25 | stew | dusr: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libc-i386" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 01:56.54 | ashk4n | stew: i added aic7xxx, scsi_mod, and ext3 to dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:57.13 | ashk4n | err to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then ran dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:57.46 | tobias | how do i find out who's creating a certain device in /dev on debian? |
| 01:57.55 | stew | ashk4n: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6-686" won't do anything, you need to replace 2.6-686 with the actual kernel version |
| 01:58.02 | ashk4n | ya |
| 01:58.05 | ashk4n | i got that |
| 01:58.06 | stew | tobias: is udevd running? |
| 01:58.09 | tobias | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.10 | ashk4n | re-ran w linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 01:58.21 | tobias | stew: yup |
| 01:58.22 | ashk4n | and now its making the ramfsdisk |
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| 01:58.29 | stew | tobias: then udevd is creating it |
| 01:59.00 | dusr | stew: http://pastebin.ca/939140 |
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| 02:02.30 | ashk4n | stew: still no joy. it still hangs when looking for /dev/sda1 on 2.6.18 |
| 02:02.36 | keram | hmm |
| 02:02.49 | keram | for some reason my mouse pointer is gone |
| 02:02.55 | ashk4n | is there anything i need to do to fstab ? i saw something in the release notes about devfs but i didnt think it applied to me |
| 02:02.55 | keram | it registers when i do lsusb |
| 02:02.57 | mmpf | pmo_:/server -m irc.synirc.net |
| 02:03.00 | keram | but i cant see it and it wont move |
| 02:03.02 | ashk4n | (my root partition is specified as /dev/sda1) |
| 02:03.27 | keram | anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 02:04.50 | Tapout | I've noticed that when a debian box .. dhcp's, it doesn't send any hostname or anything.. So if you look in your router status, you can't see which box is which (without connecting).. is there a way to get debian to pass a hostname or text when dhcp'n? |
| 02:05.22 | keram | and dmesg doesnt seem to show any errors |
| 02:05.30 | keram | (i unplugged then replugged it in) |
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| 02:06.42 | keram | and when i do cat /dev/input/mouse0 and move the mouse some characters are printed on the terminal |
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| 02:06.58 | jkl | Hi, I would like to start a colaborative project, can anyone tell me about a platform to support the project and methology. |
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| 02:07.25 | dusr | stew: any ideas ? |
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| 02:08.42 | abrotman | jkl: huh ? |
| 02:08.54 | abrotman | jkl: you want us to give you software to help ? |
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| 02:11.01 | stew | dusr: you need to run aptitude updateor apt-get update |
| 02:11.42 | jkl | abrotman, no.. just some tips about, which platforms (i.e. support svn) are common to develop colaborative projects.. |
| 02:11.58 | ashk4n | stew/abrotman: any other suggestions |
| 02:12.17 | ashk4n | the modification to /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
| 02:12.19 | ashk4n | didnt help |
| 02:12.48 | jkl | abrotman, I would like to read a bit about what kind of methodology exists in colaborative projects. |
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| 02:13.03 | abrotman | ashk4n: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=etch+aic7xxx&btnG=Search |
| 02:13.04 | ashk4n | oh hmm |
| 02:13.11 | ashk4n | its using initrd actually |
| 02:13.12 | abrotman | jkl: i'm not sure this is the right channel for that |
| 02:13.59 | jerbear | this isn't specific to this room, but maybe someone can help... what are the security risks of leaving keys loaded in gpg-agent and ssh-agent? i'm using keychain to persist them across login sessions, and i'm curious what risks i might be in danger of |
| 02:14.08 | ashk4n | err let me verify |
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| 02:14.16 | ashk4n | does 'initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686-smp |
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| 02:14.22 | jkl | abrotman, well u probably right.. but I though probably a d.d. could give good tips about it. |
| 02:14.23 | ashk4n | suggest that its using initrd or initram? |
| 02:14.27 | ashk4n | (initrd im guessing) |
| 02:14.40 | stew | ashk4n: it suggests you are using one or the other |
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| 02:14.51 | pobega | I'm having trouble with apt...I think I accidentally removed one of Pidgin's dependencies, and now it seems to be broken. I'm getting "No candidate version found for pidgin" now that I'm trying to reinstall it after removing it fully. |
| 02:15.04 | ashk4n | stew: so that line doesnt necessarily imply initrd (it could also be the same directive for initram?) |
| 02:15.04 | stew | pobega: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 02:15.10 | stew | ashk4n: right |
| 02:15.52 | jkl | pobega, try to re-install by hand.. |
| 02:15.56 | ashk4n | stew: how do i determine which is being used? |
| 02:16.01 | ashk4n | (initram vs initrd) |
| 02:16.11 | stew | ashk4n: what does "file /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686-smp" say? |
| 02:16.54 | ashk4n | stew: 2.6.8 is Linux Compressed ROM File System data, little endian size |
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| 02:17.05 | ashk4n | whereas 2.6.18 is initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686: gzip compressed data, |
| 02:17.20 | stew | ashk4n: so 2.6.8 is mkinitrd and 2.6.18 is initramfs |
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| 02:17.37 | stew | ashk4n: or 2.6.18 could be yaird, but it is a initramfs, not a cramfs initrd |
| 02:17.51 | pobega | http://pastebin.ca/939160 |
| 02:17.55 | ashk4n | stew: ok |
| 02:18.10 | ashk4n | i will try adding noprobe to modprobe and see if that helps |
| 02:18.17 | ashk4n | or to the initram modules line |
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| 02:19.38 | stew | pobega: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 02:21.18 | pobega | stew: Debian Lenny |
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| 02:23.12 | stew | pobega: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 02:26.19 | pobega | http://pastebin.ca/939167 |
| 02:26.36 | pobega | But even if I remove Pidgin from /etc/apt/preferences, it doesn't let me install it still. |
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| 02:27.02 | stew | pobega: what is in /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 02:27.20 | pobega | Wait, I think I may know why. One moment, let's see if I'm right. |
| 02:28.03 | pobega | Hm, that didn't help. |
| 02:28.27 | pobega | http://pastebin.ca/939171 |
| 02:28.32 | cast | newbie question, am trying to build wine on amd64 but gcc -m32 ends with '/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/bin/../lib/libc.so when searching for -lc', i've installed ia32-libs, there something else i need? |
| 02:29.40 | stew | pobega: why are you pinning to that version of pidgin? |
| 02:30.07 | pobega | stew: Because the upstream on in Lenny sucks. The 2.3 series is better in my personal opinion. |
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| 02:31.01 | stew | pobega: so what are you hoping that "aptitude install pidgin-data" would do? install which version of pidgin-data? |
| 02:31.40 | pobega | Oh, hm. I guess I can't get the 2.3 version of Pidgin anymore. |
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| 02:31.58 | abrotman | pobega: you could |
| 02:32.20 | pobega | abrotman: How? |
| 02:32.23 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 02:32.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 02:32.30 | abrotman | then place it on hold ... |
| 02:32.41 | abrotman | but honestly .. you can't stay on 2.3.x forever! |
| 02:32.56 | pobega | Just until they fix the text entry field thing -- You can't resize it in 2.4! |
| 02:33.02 | abrotman | the who ? |
| 02:33.06 | cast | so no ideas on how to get gcc -m32 to work then |
| 02:33.10 | SerajewelKS | pobega: you don't need to |
| 02:33.14 | abrotman | pobega: oh .. yeah .. but mine is a decent size .. so i don't care |
| 02:33.18 | SerajewelKS | pobega: it expands as you type |
| 02:33.25 | abrotman | pobega: i'll tell you the same thing i told a pidgin dev |
| 02:33.37 | pobega | abrotman: Which is? |
| 02:33.40 | abrotman | <abrotman> what the fuck is this world coming to .. LEARN HOW TO TOUCH TYPE LAZY FUCKS |
| 02:34.09 | SerajewelKS | what's that got to do with pidgin? |
| 02:34.14 | abrotman | pobega: he was saying something about a bug where some people have a 1 pixel tall text entry field |
| 02:34.24 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: see .. i made it match up! |
| 02:34.29 | pobega | Haha, nice one. |
| 02:34.30 | SerajewelKS | hah |
| 02:34.46 | pobega | I don't touch type, I just like to re-read what I wrote to check for typos and stuff. |
| 02:34.50 | ashk4n | abrotman: that aic7xxx no_probe is unrecognized |
| 02:34.57 | \amethyst | cast: you also need libc6-dev-i386, ia32-libs-dev, and maybe binutils-multiarch |
| 02:35.05 | abrotman | ashk4n: did i say that? |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | ashk4n: none of those google links helped ? |
| 02:35.32 | ashk4n | no that was the suggested solution in those google links |
| 02:35.36 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:35.43 | abrotman | no change at all ? |
| 02:36.08 | abrotman | or try anyways |
| 02:36.12 | ashk4n | bpo? |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 02:36.15 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 02:36.20 | ashk4n | oh backports |
| 02:36.23 | ashk4n | ya i can try .22 |
| 02:36.36 | ashk4n | tho i suspect it'll be the same issue |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | ashk4n: you're not the only one i've heard of with this issue .. so i figured the solution would be simple |
| 02:36.40 | ashk4n | but i guess its worth a try |
| 02:37.08 | ashk4n | i suspect its related to udev or something |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | i thought it was "noprobe" .. not no_probe |
| 02:37.25 | ashk4n | the link there says no_probe |
| 02:37.28 | ashk4n | but i can try noprobe |
| 02:37.38 | abrotman | i'd defer to the links |
| 02:37.53 | ashk4n | well, they didnt exactly work :) |
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| 02:44.48 | DustyBin | imagine how skilled i would be if i actually read every single man page |
| 02:45.44 | abrotman | DustyBin: you'd have to retain the knowledge in them |
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| 02:47.04 | bombshock | Hello. Would anyone know a good ghosting program for linux? |
| 02:47.07 | DustyBin | learn every single command and lots of the commonly used switches and also bash |
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| 02:47.13 | vsftpd | !backup |
| 02:47.13 | dpkg | somebody said backup was something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or ... |
| 02:47.39 | DustyBin | "a man page a day, helps you work rest and play" |
| 02:47.43 | cast | i should do a backup eh |
| 02:48.02 | RyanRyan52 | or if you stupidly remove your "projects" directory :D |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | bombshock: like g4l ? |
| 02:48.29 | bombshock | abrotman: well is there something like norton ghost but for linux? |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | !g4l |
| 02:49.01 | bombshock | ok kewl ty |
| 02:49.03 | abrotman | bombshock: g4l.sf.net |
| 02:49.28 | DustyBin | can anyone here regex? |
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| 02:49.47 | abrotman | DustyBin: lots of people |
| 02:50.11 | cast | sometimes i like to cover myself in oil and regex |
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| 02:50.49 | DustyBin | LOL |
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| 02:51.16 | bombshock | haha |
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| 02:54.58 | cast | if i'm going to use a whole drive for a lvm pv, is it worth making a partition on there first? |
| 02:55.08 | cast | i could just use /dev/sdc as the pv instead of /dev/sdc1 |
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| 02:56.08 | Tramp | cast: I don't see any benefit in making a partition first |
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| 02:56.53 | rgr | where in the gnome settings is f12 tied to the search function? I wish to turn it off. |
| 02:58.11 | snogglethorpe | rgr: ha ha! as if... |
| 02:58.34 | snogglethorpe | rgr: remember, gnome is all about lack of choice |
| 02:58.37 | rgr | snogglethorpe: sorry? |
| 02:59.14 | rgr | It's ok. I just found it. Its not in the kbd shortcuts. Its on the search and index tool options itself. |
| 02:59.25 | snogglethorpe | rgr: joke (gnome, er, frowns on user settings...) |
| 02:59.38 | rgr | snogglethorpe: doesnt seem to. They are just hidden better. |
| 03:00.35 | snogglethorpe | rgr: that's because they frown on them |
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| 03:01.54 | what_if | how do I install sun-java6-bin without it stopping me to ask about the sun-java licanse ?? |
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| 03:02.02 | ashk4n | abrotman: 2.6.22 worked fine |
| 03:02.06 | abrotman | ashk4n: yay? |
| 03:02.10 | ashk4n | ya totally! |
| 03:02.18 | ashk4n | any issues w/ 2.6.22 vs 2.6.18 ? |
| 03:02.28 | abrotman | ashk4n: about four major revisions? :) |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | ashk4n: oh .. is it an external server? |
| 03:02.37 | ashk4n | 'known issues' :) |
| 03:02.40 | ashk4n | nah internal |
| 03:02.42 | ashk4n | fileserver |
| 03:03.00 | abrotman | do you trust your users not to kill your server if there's a security issue? |
| 03:03.24 | ashk4n | if by 'users' u mean me |
| 03:03.26 | ashk4n | then yes :) |
| 03:03.35 | ashk4n | except maybe after too much scotch |
| 03:03.44 | ashk4n | :) |
| 03:03.48 | abrotman | do you sometimes have drinking binges .. and come home and try to crack your own machine? |
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| 03:03.53 | ashk4n | totally |
| 03:03.58 | ashk4n | :) |
| 03:04.10 | abrotman | i'd imagine you'll be fine |
| 03:04.15 | ashk4n | cool |
| 03:04.16 | ashk4n | i meant stability |
| 03:04.26 | ashk4n | i upgraded from 2.6.8 because of some issues with ipq |
| 03:04.35 | abrotman | not that i've heard of .. been on my laptop for awhile .. |
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| 03:09.23 | ashk4n | actually i do expose rtorrent and apache on this box |
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| 03:10.16 | ashk4n | known exploits for either (or for 2.6.22?) |
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| 03:15.19 | cast | holy batshit mkfs.ext3 is slow :| |
| 03:15.48 | xxiao | i need disable debian-etch's auto-detection of network cable |
| 03:16.26 | xxiao | i need a static ip address no matter if the cable is plugged in or unplugged, however debian-etch is overwriting me |
| 03:16.42 | xxiao | anyway to disable the auto-detection of cable on/off? thanks |
| 03:16.47 | xxiao | maybe ethtool? |
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| 03:17.26 | \amethyst | xxiao: does /etc/network/interfaces have "allow-hotplug eth0" or "auto eth0" ? |
| 03:17.51 | xxiao | it has both |
| 03:18.02 | \amethyst | xxiao: try getting rid of the allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 03:18.11 | xxiao | ok. thanks! |
| 03:18.29 | \amethyst | xxiao: I'm not certain that will work, so you should test |
| 03:18.35 | xpika | i did a dpkg force on a package and now i cant install anything |
| 03:19.08 | xpika | because it conflicts with the one i forced |
| 03:19.09 | stew | xxiao: is ifplugd installed? |
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| 03:19.18 | stew | xxiao: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 03:19.50 | stew | err |
| 03:19.54 | stew | xxiao: nevermind that |
| 03:19.58 | stew | xpika: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 03:20.03 | xpika | is there a way to remove a package without removing the files |
| 03:20.13 | stew | xpika: what does that even mean? |
| 03:20.13 | ashk4n | ok im up on running w/ 2.6.22! |
| 03:20.26 | ashk4n | is it 'safe' to run this kernel on a semi-publically exposed box |
| 03:20.31 | ashk4n | (just apache and sometimes rtorrent) |
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| 03:20.39 | xxiao | sorry i could not copy&paste as it's on a separate network on a different machine. |
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| 03:20.43 | cast | ashk4n: you make the call. |
| 03:20.51 | ashk4n | cast: curious if there are known issues |
| 03:21.03 | xxiao | i disablue auto-hotplug by put a # in front of, then disable 'auto eth0', did not help |
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| 03:21.05 | xpika | remove the package entries from the database but keep the files on the filesystem |
| 03:21.12 | stew | xxiao: yeah, nevermind the pasting bit, i meant that for xpika. is the ifplugd package installed? |
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| 03:21.28 | stew | xpika: that is a bad idea. what are the two conflicting packages? |
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| 03:21.32 | Gun_Smoke | Hey there suzy!! |
| 03:21.35 | xxiao | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
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| 03:21.49 | xxiao | then unplug the cable, ifconfig shows no ip on eth0 |
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| 03:22.08 | xxiao | plug it back, it will fetch a dhcp address though i disabled dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:22.15 | xxiao | i can not override this smart thing |
| 03:22.24 | xxiao | robot is going to rule the world soon :) |
| 03:22.34 | r3k13m | Hello, i'm having problems with a usb hdd formated in ntfs, i'm using ntfs-3g, fuse and pmount; if i boot the computer with the hdd pluged no problem, but when i try hotplug i need to do it manualy, i think is permissions problems, because i also have another partition in ntfs and i cannot read it as user |
| 03:22.37 | xpika | stew: ghc 6.8.2 from debian unstable and im running debian stable |
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| 03:23.08 | stew | xpika: you should not install packages from unstable directly onto stable. use a backport instead, /msg dpkg backports |
| 03:23.15 | stew | xpika: what are the two conflicting packages? |
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| 03:27.32 | xpika | it says i cant install zlibc because ghc6 depends on gcc 4.2 even though i only have 4.1 installed |
| 03:28.18 | stew | xpika: yes, you cannot install ghc6 on stable. |
| 03:28.25 | stew | xpika: i'd suggest removing it |
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| 03:29.02 | stew | xpika: err, i mean ghc6 version 6.8.2 |
| 03:29.16 | stew | xpika: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 03:38.25 | xpika | stew: as you asked http://rafb.net/p/u8xjYF66.html |
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| 03:39.08 | stew | xpika: that's good, you haven't actually mistakenly upgraded to unstable. so I'd recommend just removing ghc6 version 6.8.2 and stick to the version in stable |
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| 03:39.34 | stew | xpika: if you really need a newer version of ghc6 you'd have to either upgrade your entire debian install to testing or install debian testing in a chroot |
| 03:41.07 | xxiao | tried to modify /etc/network/interfaces, removed dhclient symlink from /sbin, remove avahi daemon, still, debian etch will get a dhcp ip address |
| 03:41.12 | xpika | stew: that seems unlikey as i am on an eeepc and have limited disk space |
| 03:41.33 | stew | xxiao: is ifplugd installed? |
| 03:41.50 | xxiao | no ifplugd, no netplug, whatsoever |
| 03:42.08 | xpika | if apt just didnt know i ever installed ghc from the unstable repository then everything would be ok |
| 03:42.09 | xxiao | first time i want to disable dhcp client mode, to no avail. |
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| 03:42.24 | xxiao | now my laptop is out of battery so can not test more |
| 03:43.03 | stew | xxiao: is network-manager installed? |
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| 03:44.01 | xxiao | yes. but i used it to set up a static ip address instead of dhcp, and checked the /etc/network/interfaces, the latter was modified but did not really help |
| 03:44.03 | stew | xpika: installing packages from unstable onto stable is something that we enthusiastically recommend you NOT do, and it is not something we would support. if you managed to install ghc6 onto stable without also upgrading gcc and/or libc6, i would not expect ghc6 to be at all functional |
| 03:44.28 | stew | xxiao: can you show us your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:45.22 | xpika | stew: strange, as my ghc is seems entirely functional |
| 03:45.36 | xxiao | the laptop is off without power, but the interfaces file is a standard static ip setting file, i tried to disable auto eth0 and auto eth0-hotplug-.. |
| 03:45.51 | xxiao | neither helped. |
| 03:46.16 | xxiao | tomorrow i'm going to hunt down... |
| 03:47.10 | stew | xxiao: you want to retain auto eth0 and setup eth0 with a static ip address in /etc/network/interfaces. "man interfaces" and read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 03:47.38 | stew | xxiao: if you configure eth0 with a static ip address in /etc/network/interfaces, then network-manager will no longer try to automatically give it a new ip address when you plug in a cable |
| 03:48.36 | xxiao | stew: thanks! yes i'm familiar with static ip address and dhcp ip, just somehow the dhcp is over-writing static ip setting the whole night |
| 03:49.00 | xxiao | anyway thanks for the tips. will try more tomorrow. i feel it's related to cable disconnect and then reconnect. |
| 03:49.18 | xxiao | if i set it to static ip, then reboot the machine, it will behave as expected. |
| 03:49.34 | stew | xxiao: right, network-manager is giving you a new ip address when you plug in the cable, and you don't want network-manager to manage this interface |
| 03:49.51 | xxiao | if i don't reboot, just unplug/plug the cable, then dhcp will always win no matter what. |
| 03:50.08 | stew | xxiao: becuase network-manager is managing the interface, which you don't want |
| 03:50.33 | xxiao | ok.i will aptitude remove that smartest manager tomorrow the first thing. |
| 03:50.48 | stew | xxiao: there is no need to, you could just fix /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:50.50 | xxiao | is it a daemon? |
| 03:50.54 | stew | xxiao: yes |
| 03:51.32 | xxiao | the interfaces looks ok, i got static or dhcp after reboot the way i want |
| 03:51.43 | xxiao | it's just the cable disconnect/reconnect caused the trouble |
| 03:52.09 | xxiao | i then checked ifplugd, avahi-*, remove dhclient symlink(should remove the whole dhclient package) |
| 03:52.10 | stew | xxiao: what does interfaces look like? |
| 03:52.19 | stew | xxiao: you should not remove the dhclient symlink |
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| 03:52.34 | xxiao | well i recovered it after the experiment :) |
| 03:52.56 | _pepo_ | hi friend |
| 03:53.03 | xxiao | no matter what you set (static or dhcp), unplug the cable, then 'ifconfig', you will find eth0 is down |
| 03:53.25 | stew | xxiao: how did you set the static ip? |
| 03:53.42 | xxiao | then plug the cable back, issue 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 up', ifconfig will show 192.168.1.5 correctly |
| 03:54.10 | xxiao | then after a while, my dhcp server(a wireless router) is booting up, then this 192.168.1.5 is overwritten |
| 03:54.17 | _pepo_ | is there some problem if try to Install Debian in any disk with Vista? Do I have to do some special thing or is just like WinXP? |
| 03:54.20 | xxiao | by, say, something like 192.168.1.101 |
| 03:54.53 | simonrvn | _pepo_: i suppose like xp, install vista first then debian |
| 03:55.00 | stew | xxiao: if you want us to help, we need to see the interfaces file |
| 03:55.03 | xxiao | some daemon is handling the cable connection, i wonder why it ignores my static settings |
| 03:55.58 | stew | xxiao: which static setting exactly? |
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| 03:56.20 | xxiao | ok. will post it tomorrow if i could not figure it out by then, laptop has no battery now. |
| 03:56.31 | xxiao | the ifconfig one |
| 03:56.36 | stew | xxiao: those aren't static |
| 03:57.04 | stew | xxiao: you should expect those to be overwritten. if you want your ip to be static, you should set that up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:57.06 | xxiao | hmmm...i also used network-manager to set up the same static ip |
| 03:58.06 | xxiao | yes in the interfaces i saw "iface eth0 inet static' then address/netmask/gateway |
| 03:58.40 | stew | xxiao: and when the interfaces file was like that, you set network-manager to use a static ip? |
| 03:59.07 | xxiao | actually i set network-manager to use a static ip, the network-manager modified my interfaces file like that |
| 04:01.04 | stew | xxiao: what version of debian did you install on it? |
| 04:01.09 | xxiao | etch |
| 04:02.26 | xxiao | anyway thanks for your patient help! |
| 04:02.28 | stew | xxiao: i don't believe that network-manager altered /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:03.03 | xxiao | i'm pretty sure that's the case. |
| 04:03.14 | stew | xxiao: how do you know that network-manager altered it? |
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| 04:05.11 | stew | it would seem odd that the README.Debian for network-manager claims that it doesn't manage interfaces that are marked as static in /etc/network/interfaces, then mark one as static in /etc/network/interfaces when you try to manage it with network-manager |
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| 04:06.25 | xxiao | stew: i just tried it in my vmware-based-etch installation, i installed network-manager, ran it, changed it from dhcp to static, then diff the interfaces, and saw the changes again |
| 04:06.39 | xxiao | i mean the interfaces file |
| 04:06.57 | xxiao | i'm 100% sure it changes that file. |
| 04:07.24 | xxiao | unless your network-manager is something different, i did 'aptitude install network-manager' and ran 'network-manager' |
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| 04:08.34 | cast | hey folks, i want to use the aes_x86_64 instead of aes, so i blacklisted the aes module, however at boot the cryptsetup scripts open and mount /var, using aes |
| 04:08.36 | xxiao | i used network-manager to change it back, and it recovers to the original dhcp setting |
| 04:09.13 | cast | how do i fix this? i could modify the initrd, but i think that might change everytime i get a new kernel package |
| 04:09.17 | xxiao | maybe network-manager is just a gui to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:10.06 | fignew | no, it's not |
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| 04:10.51 | PrinceAMD_ | can someone please tell me how i can stop all upload from eth0 using iptables |
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| 04:11.34 | xxiao | stew: i just read that readme, it looks like i need remove "auto eth0" in the static setting from 'interfaces', then network-manager will ignore eth0 |
| 04:11.40 | xxiao | will try that tomorrow |
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| 04:11.44 | Daejeo | is there any command to check the traffic in kb/s on my eth0 interface? |
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| 04:12.20 | xxiao | network-manager modified /etc/network/interfaces, and it also interacts with the network-manager daemon |
| 04:12.24 | xxiao | so it's more than a GUI |
| 04:12.27 | what_if | Daejeo: iftop |
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| 04:20.42 | jescis | can I get my email on the console? |
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| 04:21.16 | cast | yes. |
| 04:22.16 | jescis | I tried mailaddr but bash says it's not found(or something like that) |
| 04:23.11 | jescis | I know mutt, mailx, and mail are installed. |
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| 04:25.00 | Gm4n | how do I use iptables to limit only a certain IP range to connecting to a certain port? |
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| 04:29.18 | Gm4n | would this do it? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 10.0.0.0/16 -d any/0 --dport 1234 -m state NEW -j DROP |
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| 04:30.41 | icedtea | that would stop and new connections going out |
| 04:30.44 | icedtea | err |
| 04:30.49 | icedtea | that would stop any new connections going out |
| 04:31.09 | icedtea | but existing connections that started from the outside would stil work |
| 04:31.52 | Gm4n | hrm, ok |
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| 04:32.04 | Gm4n | I just realized, this is backwards from what I want... how do I do this except ALLOW local? |
| 04:32.18 | icedtea | best way is to set any INPUT,OUTPUT,and FORWARD policies to DROP |
| 04:32.31 | icedtea | and then make exceptions |
| 04:32.35 | Gm4n | ooh, ok |
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| 04:33.21 | Gm4n | well, I'm trying to keep spammers off my mail relay |
| 04:33.27 | Gm4n | (it's running on a really weird port, don't worry) |
| 04:33.50 | jescis | cast: anything other than mailaddr? |
| 04:34.58 | cast | jescis: huh? to check mail? i use mutt |
| 04:35.24 | Nyle | use w/e you want man |
| 04:35.25 | Gm4n | icedtea: which policy should I be changing? |
| 04:35.38 | Nyle | its not a big deal |
| 04:35.46 | jescis | yes but I need to add my email account |
| 04:36.10 | Nyle | so add it to your email client |
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| 04:36.36 | jescis | Nyle: I'm in console mode |
| 04:36.43 | icedtea | Gm4n: iptables -P INPUT DROP; iptables -P OUTPUT DROP; iptables -P FORWARD DROP |
| 04:36.59 | Gm4n | I don't want to do that, though, because there's other things this server does :-/ |
| 04:37.06 | icedtea | Gm4n: drop everything, and then make exceptions |
| 04:37.13 | Gm4n | ok |
| 04:37.19 | icedtea | Gm4n: then make an exception |
| 04:37.21 | Gm4n | that won't kill my established ssh session, though, right? |
| 04:37.37 | icedtea | yes it will I believe |
| 04:37.42 | Nyle | jescis, so? |
| 04:37.56 | Nyle | jescis, dpkg -L mutt|grep rc |
| 04:38.02 | jescis | So, I don't knowe how. |
| 04:38.28 | Nyle | jescis, define set pop_user/_pass/_host in the config |
| 04:38.32 | Nyle | !mutt |
| 04:38.32 | dpkg | mutt is, like, the official mailer of Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.mutt.org/) or better than <pine> or with message threading, built-in <PGP> support, and more config options than you can count, or check out http://www.mutt.org/links.html#config, or more free than pine, or a quick beginner's guide ("My First Mutt") is available from http://mutt.blackfish.org.uk |
| 04:38.58 | Nyle | jescis, surely if you just TRY to search on your own it would be great |
| 04:39.11 | Nyle | just try. I hope that isn't asking for too much |
| 04:39.15 | jescis | it would be |
| 04:39.54 | jescis | I did add my two fat partitions with emacs by myself |
| 04:39.55 | icedtea | Gm4n: http://rafb.net/p/mWeCW664.html |
| 04:40.45 | Nyle | if you don't know what to use, ask us, if you don't know how to use it, read docs and learn the software, if you have trouble, ask specific questions |
| 04:40.49 | Gm4n | wow, that's over my head... :-/ |
| 04:40.51 | Nyle | don't waste our time with nonsense please |
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| 04:41.44 | jescis | I'm not trying to. :( |
| 04:42.50 | icedtea | Gm4n: oops, that does routing as well, so maybe you can ignore it |
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| 04:44.33 | icedtea | Gm4n: just scan the docs, mess around with the commands locally if you can, and ask questions if ;you need to |
| 04:44.48 | Gm4n | can't do local :( |
| 04:45.06 | icedtea | Gm4n: hrm be carefull not to lock yourself out then |
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| 04:45.54 | icedtea | Gm4n: do you have a linux box local that you can play around with? maybe in a vm or something |
| 04:46.24 | Gm4n | not at the moment, icedtea. At the risk of a kickban, I'm going to admit to being on a mac laptop at the moment |
| 04:46.41 | icedtea | hehe don't worry about it you won't get kicked for that |
| 04:46.54 | icedtea | I'm on vista myself right now |
| 04:47.11 | icedtea | my router/firewall runs debian though |
| 04:47.31 | icedtea | sometimes I load debian into vmware |
| 04:47.42 | icedtea | on my main rig that is |
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| 04:50.03 | cast | poor guy |
| 04:50.11 | cast | we should start a charity of some sort |
| 04:50.18 | icedtea | lol |
| 04:50.21 | Gm4n | true that |
| 04:50.36 | cast | maybe send in some UN peace keepers |
| 04:51.16 | Nyle | huh |
| 04:51.17 | Nyle | what? |
| 04:51.21 | Nyle | vista owns |
| 04:51.26 | Nyle | debian sucks man |
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| 04:51.42 | fignew | troof |
| 04:51.43 | Nyle | mac os x is the worst of them all |
| 04:51.51 | Nyle | total vista copy |
| 04:51.53 | Nyle | unoriginal |
| 04:51.59 | kgoetz | *eyeroll* |
| 04:52.14 | Nyle | kgoetz, I took some classes on trolling |
| 04:52.17 | Nyle | now I'm trying it out |
| 04:52.18 | Nyle | ;) |
| 04:52.38 | kgoetz | Nyle: :p you've studied #debian for a while, havent you ;) |
| 04:52.44 | Nyle | lol hehe |
| 04:52.48 | Nyle | been here too long man |
| 04:52.50 | Nyle | too long |
| 04:53.01 | Nyle | btw |
| 04:53.10 | Nyle | I turned 27 52 minutes ago |
| 04:53.31 | Nyle | so now I'm only 3 more years away from 30 |
| 04:53.39 | Nyle | goddamn man I'm getting old |
| 04:53.44 | icedtea | wtf aren't you out partying or getting laid or something ;) :P |
| 04:53.59 | Nyle | icedtea, its midnight and I have work in the morning |
| 04:54.08 | fignew | today was tuesday! |
| 04:54.18 | Nyle | wednesday now |
| 04:54.28 | Nyle | 1am wed |
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| 04:55.09 | kgoetz | Nyle: happy bday, at least |
| 04:55.16 | kgoetz | fignew: today is wednesday! |
| 04:55.17 | Nyle | kgoetz, thanks bud |
| 04:55.34 | bulkathos | in my C program,i want to call exit(0) system call,what header should i include? |
| 04:55.51 | Nyle | bulkathos, #c++ |
| 04:55.59 | Gm4n | icedtea: Would this work? iptables -P INPUT DROP && iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 209.172.121.80/29 -d any/0 -m state NEW -j ALLOW |
| 04:56.03 | Nyle | this is #debian, not c help |
| 04:56.06 | Nyle | or try ##C |
| 04:56.09 | Nyle | or something |
| 04:56.20 | icedtea | Nyle: ah well, save it for the weekend then. I still would have at least gone out to the bar, but I guess that depends on what time do you need to go to work |
| 04:56.32 | Nyle | I don't drink |
| 04:56.37 | Nyle | I'm not the bar type |
| 04:56.49 | Nyle | I like to stay home, I try not to leave my house unless I HAVE to |
| 04:57.02 | icedtea | damn |
| 04:57.05 | Nyle | I used to hate being home when I was young |
| 04:57.10 | Nyle | now I don' twanna go no where |
| 04:57.25 | Nyle | now I can't wait to come home hehe |
| 04:57.37 | Nyle | home is where my bong is, soo.... |
| 04:57.39 | icedtea | bulkathos: #include <stdlib.h> I think |
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| 04:57.59 | icedtea | lol |
| 04:58.32 | Nyle | !bong |
| 04:58.32 | dpkg | from memory, bong is like, dude, yeah... see http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=980804 |
| 04:58.49 | Nyle | !listkeys bong |
| 04:58.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bong' by key (11): #debian bongswat ;; analbong ;; CMD: bucketbong (.*?) ;; _default bong ;; bongo ;; bongs ;; superbong ;; beer bong ;; bongswat ;; bong ;; botbong. |
| 04:59.00 | Nyle | !analbong |
| 04:59.00 | dpkg | it has been said that analbong is dead |
| 04:59.03 | Nyle | wtf |
| 04:59.22 | icedtea | there's a bar with pooltables and a local band that I go to so my friends and I don't just sit around and drink |
| 04:59.22 | Nyle | crazy shit in the factoid db man |
| 04:59.38 | icedtea | analbong hehe |
| 04:59.42 | Nyle | I like to get high and play my guitar |
| 05:00.07 | icedtea | you sound like your 16 |
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| 05:00.37 | Nyle | why? |
| 05:01.04 | jescis | btw, I am 30! :o |
| 05:01.24 | icedtea | just typical behavior for a 16 year, most people become more social in the 20s I believe |
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| 05:01.37 | cast | does librsync1's etch problem with large [>4gb] files still occur in amd64? |
| 05:02.03 | nohup_ | hello all |
| 05:02.04 | icedtea | Nyle: I hope I'm not offending you... you sound like a cool guy and all |
| 05:02.10 | Nyle | icedtea, I've done shit to my body, I've pumped shit into my system you can't imagine.. the acid I've ate in my teen years alone |
| 05:02.13 | nohup_ | does anyone know how i can tell dhcp3-server to not touch resolv.conf ? |
| 05:02.25 | Nyle | icedtea, you grow out of that shit man... |
| 05:02.38 | semprix | !bong |
| 05:02.38 | dpkg | i heard bong is like, dude, yeah... see http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=980804 |
| 05:02.46 | Nyle | anyway |
| 05:02.49 | Nyle | !ot |
| 05:02.49 | dpkg | i guess ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 05:03.07 | Nyle | icedtea, http://www.youtube.com/bungnugget ... enjoy |
| 05:03.21 | Nyle | nohup_, why whats going on? |
| 05:03.34 | nohup_ | Nyle: i don't want my ISP's nameservers |
| 05:03.41 | nohup_ | i need it to use it's own nameserver |
| 05:03.52 | Nyle | nohup_, so put yours at the top of the list? |
| 05:04.04 | Nyle | see man 5 resolv.conf |
| 05:04.41 | Nyle | hmm now I'm not so sure |
| 05:04.44 | icedtea | Nyle: cool. sounds good. I started learning the piano and got pretty far... been slacking the past year though |
| 05:04.48 | nohup_ | the point is that dhcp stuff overwrites the file |
| 05:04.55 | Nyle | icedtea, #music |
| 05:05.02 | nohup_ | so i can put whatever i want in it, after eth1 (internet connection) is up, my shit will be lost |
| 05:05.04 | Nyle | we need more people there anyway :) |
| 05:05.08 | jescis | or ##milt |
| 05:05.27 | icedtea | milt? |
| 05:05.38 | icedtea | milf? :P |
| 05:05.41 | jescis | yeah, it's my channel |
| 05:06.24 | nohup_ | Nyle: and man 5 resolv.conf doesn't have alot to do with dhcpd :) |
| 05:06.41 | Nyle | 01:04 < Nyle> hmm now I'm not so sure |
| 05:06.50 | nohup_ | oh |
| 05:06.51 | nohup_ | ;) |
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| 05:07.32 | jescis | icedtea: Music I'm Listening To |
| 05:07.41 | Nyle | jescis, #music |
| 05:07.54 | jescis | no, ##milt |
| 05:08.04 | Nyle | w/e, offtopic |
| 05:08.10 | kgoetz | nohup_: can you explain the problem again? i missed it |
| 05:08.35 | jescis | Nyle: I'll drop it |
| 05:09.24 | Nyle | kgoetz, prevent dhcp3-server from 'touching' resolv.conf |
| 05:09.36 | nohup_ | kgoetz: i have one interface configured for dhcp in network/interfaces... but when it receives DNS information, it puts that into /etc/resolv.conf. I don't want that, i just want the interface's IP set and defaults routes set... so i want the old resolf.conf to stay un-touched |
| 05:09.38 | Nyle | w/e that means, I guess he wants to use his own nameservers and not the isp |
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| 05:10.08 | Gm4n | icedtea: I managed it, through a rule that drops from anywhere to anywhere on specific port, and a second rule that allows my ip block :) |
| 05:10.13 | Nyle | nohup_, why not specify a 'nameserver' entry in your interfaces |
| 05:10.14 | kgoetz | nohup_: either add them to the interfaces file, or tell your dhcp server to serve the dns servers you want |
| 05:10.36 | Nyle | kgoetz, ohhhhh |
| 05:10.41 | nohup_ | Nyle: oh.. i didn't even know that was possible :) |
| 05:10.43 | Nyle | I told him to read the wrong fucking manpage |
| 05:10.45 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 05:10.48 | icedtea | Gm4n: sounds like a start |
| 05:10.54 | Nyle | that was a total fart |
| 05:10.55 | nohup_ | kgoetz: it's my ISP's nameserver... so i'll go for that first option :) |
| 05:10.57 | Nyle | brainfart |
| 05:11.24 | Gm4n | icedtea: is there a standard way to get this applied on start? I could always just put the commands into a shell script /etc/rc.d/... |
| 05:11.47 | Nyle | nohup_, sorry I meant to say man 5 interfaces |
| 05:12.01 | kgoetz | nohup_: theres also (iirc) some config you can set in /etc/dhcp/dhcp-client.conf (or similar name) to not touch nameservers |
| 05:12.01 | Nyle | that was my mistake |
| 05:12.20 | kgoetz | which is probably preferable over my other two sugestions anyway |
| 05:12.20 | icedtea | Gm4n: put the shell script in /etc/init.d and make symlinks in rc.d or one of the startup directories |
| 05:12.33 | kgoetz | Nyle: heh. dont burn yourself over it |
| 05:12.34 | Gm4n | so that's an acceptable method? |
| 05:12.36 | nohup_ | Nyle: i'm looking at that now... there's no option for nameservers in that manfile |
| 05:12.45 | icedtea | Gm4n: yeah pretty much |
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| 05:13.32 | Gm4n | so just as a quick check, the sooner a rule is added, the higher the priority? |
| 05:13.42 | nohup_ | #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 05:13.44 | nohup_ | thanks kgoetz :) |
| 05:13.51 | kgoetz | nohup_: dhclient.conf |
| 05:14.01 | icedtea | Gm4n: no it goes through the list, starting from the rules you first added |
| 05:14.21 | stew | Gm4n: when you -A (add) a rule, it goes at the end, when you -I (insert) a rule it goes at the beginning (unless you tell it where to insert) |
| 05:14.24 | Gm4n | so with two conflicting rules, how does it know which has priority? |
| 05:14.35 | Nyle | wow what is going on man |
| 05:14.38 | Gm4n | ah, the order of the list |
| 05:14.50 | stew | Gm4n: a better place to enable your firewall is by putting the commands into a script you call from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces for (man interfaces) |
| 05:14.51 | enouf | wow. i mean just .. wow |
| 05:15.18 | stew | Gm4n: the first terminating rule that matches is the only matching rule that is considered for a chain |
| 05:15.18 | nohup_ | brb |
| 05:15.36 | Gm4n | thanks, stew and icedtea :) |
| 05:15.53 | Gm4n | is there a typical location to place said script? |
| 05:16.15 | icedtea | Gm4n: I would log all the packets are dropped |
| 05:16.28 | icedtea | that are dropped |
| 05:16.30 | icedtea | I mean |
| 05:16.48 | stew | Gm4n: /usr/local/sbin would be a typical place for such a script |
| 05:16.50 | Nyle | how come interfaces manfile has nothing on dns-nameservers entry? |
| 05:16.56 | Nyle | manpage* |
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| 05:19.18 | stew | Nyle: those options are probably documented somewhere in the resolvconf package |
| 05:19.22 | tengulre | anybody know which package contain bzlib.h? |
| 05:19.28 | stew | tengulre: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 05:20.10 | tengulre | stew: what's that? |
| 05:20.21 | Nyle | stew, nope |
| 05:20.23 | icedtea | tengulre: the bzip lib development package I would think |
| 05:20.33 | Nyle | stew, I just read through it |
| 05:20.40 | stew | tengulre: something to type into your irc client in order to find out how you can find the answer you are looking for |
| 05:20.43 | Nyle | oh the package |
| 05:20.53 | stew | Nyle: zless /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz |
| 05:21.04 | Nyle | yup |
| 05:21.08 | niru | I am not able to see any font on desktop and gdm |
| 05:21.19 | niru | what could be the reason |
| 05:21.38 | tengulre | stew: I could not got anything in my irc client(xchat), maybe the networking is slowly? |
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| 05:21.40 | graytron | bad eyesight |
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| 05:21.47 | stew | !tell tengulre about apt-file |
| 05:21.50 | niru | everything comes as boxes |
| 05:21.51 | Nyle | stew, tyvm |
| 05:22.05 | Nyle | stew, hey im 27 now dude! |
| 05:22.08 | Joelito | Hi all, I have a few questions |
| 05:22.16 | Nyle | Joelito, hi we have some answers |
| 05:22.23 | cheesebob | tengulre, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bzip2+lib&searchon=all&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 05:22.53 | Joelito | is this a bug, or brasero from stable repos, can't detect multisessions from my DVDs or CDs |
| 05:23.00 | icedtea | what is the name of that library that does file filtering? for linux anti-vrius software and such |
| 05:23.06 | Joelito | Nyle: :) |
| 05:23.13 | tengulre | stew: I don't your mean ? tell me how to using apt tool? OK tks! |
| 05:23.14 | what_if | I have a program that will not run from init.d. It is openfire. It gives no errors, just does not start |
| 05:23.22 | tengulre | icedtea: thanks |
| 05:23.23 | stew | !apt-file |
| 05:23.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 05:23.25 | stew | tengulre: ^^^ |
| 05:23.32 | tengulre | cheesebob: tks! |
| 05:23.33 | stew | icedtea: clamav? |
| 05:23.53 | cheesebob | your welcome |
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| 05:24.02 | icedtea | tengulre: I'm not sure what the pkg name is, see stew's comments |
| 05:24.24 | Nyle | I still feel like a child |
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| 05:24.34 | Nyle | Joelito, thats a burning application I guess |
| 05:25.00 | icedtea | stew: its the name for the kernel module you need I believe |
| 05:25.03 | Joelito | Nyle: It is.... |
| 05:25.23 | tengulre | yes, I find it ! it is libbz2-dev |
| 05:25.27 | Nyle | supports multisession |
| 05:25.29 | Nyle | yup |
| 05:25.50 | stew | icedtea: a kernel module for anti-virus? |
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| 05:26.04 | Nyle | Joelito, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query=multisession |
| 05:26.05 | icedtea | stew: for file filtering |
| 05:26.11 | icedtea | stew: not just av |
| 05:26.18 | icedtea | hrm |
| 05:26.28 | icedtea | someone mentioned it in here before, forget it :( |
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| 05:27.07 | niru | any body |
| 05:27.15 | Joelito | Nyle: Thanks :) |
| 05:27.16 | icedtea | its getting quite popular a few av solutions for linux use it |
| 05:27.29 | Nyle | Joelito, that may not be of much help |
| 05:27.50 | Nyle | Joelito, also try bugs.debian.ogr and search for the pacakge name in |
| 05:27.54 | Nyle | org* |
| 05:28.47 | niru | how to set the font.I am getting boxes |
| 05:28.52 | Nyle | Joelito, its probably a frontend to cli tools underneath, if it depens on stuff check for that too (the apps underneath doing the burning) |
| 05:29.11 | icedtea | niru: font for what? |
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| 05:29.34 | Joelito | Nyle: Actually I can't burn, because brasero doesn't detect previous session(s) :( |
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| 05:30.08 | Nyle | Joelito, I personally use k3b and prefer it over other stuff |
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| 05:30.20 | niru | icedtea, On the desktop I see icons properly but their names are not shown up instead I see only small small boxes |
| 05:30.24 | Free_DOS | [Br0k3N] wenas xuxetumare |
| 05:30.29 | Br0k3N | xD |
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| 05:31.13 | icedtea | niru: what desktoip software? |
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| 05:31.31 | niru | icedtea, gnome |
| 05:31.46 | Br0k3N | what ? |
| 05:33.17 | icedtea | stew: dazuko |
| 05:33.20 | icedtea | thats its name |
| 05:33.39 | icedtea | nire: so your using nautilus. did you just install it? |
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| 05:34.22 | cuack | Br0k3N Y ESTOS |
| 05:34.24 | Free_DOS | free cuba free |
| 05:34.25 | Free_DOS | free cuba free |
| 05:34.40 | Br0k3N | xD |
| 05:34.44 | Br0k3N | Free_DOS, ctm |
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| 05:34.49 | Br0k3N | dejate de weiar a los gringos qlos |
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| 05:35.05 | icedtea | stew: http://dazuko.dnsalias.org/wiki/index.php/Dazuko-based_Applications |
| 05:35.20 | stew | icedtea: why are you telling me this? |
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| 05:35.29 | icedtea | stew: oh sorry thought you wanted to know |
| 05:35.31 | icedtea | hehe |
| 05:35.38 | stew | icedtea: not me, maybe someone else asked? |
| 05:36.57 | cheesebob | you answered someone elses question about clamav |
| 05:37.01 | cheesebob | which confused him |
| 05:37.49 | Nyle | !cl |
| 05:37.50 | dpkg | cl is probably common lisp |
| 05:37.57 | icedtea | stew: I asked you the name for a lib/kernel module that does file filtering because I couldn't remember, you responded with clamav, then I remembered, and thought you might be interested |
| 05:38.09 | icedtea | clamav uses dazuko |
| 05:38.21 | Nyle | Joelito, wodin and/or brasero in stable have no bugs filed against multisession of any sort |
| 05:39.01 | Joelito | Nyle: Maybe I missing other packages...don't know :( |
| 05:39.04 | Nyle | Joelito, I think maybe your shits all retarded in the config ;) |
| 05:39.26 | Joelito | Nyle: maybe ^^ |
| 05:39.40 | icedtea | nire: is this a brand new debian install? |
| 05:40.03 | icedtea | nire: or did you just install gnome? |
| 05:40.20 | icedtea | oops |
| 05:40.32 | icedtea | I ment niru |
| 05:40.42 | niru | niru, I just upgraded |
| 05:40.54 | niru | icedtea, but dont know were went wrong on fonts |
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| 05:41.04 | niru | icedtea, I see only boxes |
| 05:41.11 | niru | icedtea, icons are visible |
| 05:41.23 | icedtea | niru: thats weirld. how are the rest of the app fonts? |
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| 05:42.44 | niru | icedtea, all gone |
| 05:42.52 | icedtea | o_O |
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| 05:44.05 | icedtea | niru: did you do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 05:44.25 | icedtea | niru: you were doing a distro upgrade right? |
| 05:44.46 | niru | icedtea, yes |
| 05:45.27 | icedtea | niru: try it again |
| 05:45.36 | icedtea | maybe it missed a few packages |
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| 05:50.31 | icedtea | I have to figure out what files are being written to because my router's hard drive keeps waking up |
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| 05:52.18 | cast | could use inotify interface |
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| 05:53.18 | icedtea | cast: how does that work? |
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| 05:55.58 | cast | search, read |
| 05:56.11 | icedtea | yeah I found some IBM developer pages on it thanks |
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| 05:58.08 | icedtea | MotorCityMadMan: where are you at in detroit? |
| 05:59.24 | simonrvn | over, not on |
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| 05:59.43 | MotorCityMadMan | icedtea * yes |
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| 06:00.07 | MotorCityMadMan | 47 yrs |
| 06:00.10 | icedtea | MotorCityMadMan: im in Plymouth, just shy of i275 |
| 06:00.32 | MotorCityMadMan | ya, not far |
| 06:00.57 | MotorCityMadMan | i have family in canton |
| 06:01.09 | icedtea | ahh |
| 06:01.22 | icedtea | I use to work at LifeTime fitness in Canton |
| 06:02.15 | MotorCityMadMan | dont make my way there much, i like the safety of detroit ;-[] |
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| 06:02.48 | jescis | detroit safe? ha! |
| 06:03.32 | jescis | simonrvn: he should tell that to the judge then |
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| 06:04.22 | MotorCityMadMan | u know, i installed debian 4.0 and could never get the x server working. give up but just for now intill i do some more reading, running Kubuntu and ubuntu now |
| 06:04.58 | jescis | I'm using 4.0r3 |
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| 06:05.28 | jescis | the X server still doesn't work |
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| 06:06.30 | MotorCityMadMan | here in DET if ur not firing a gun out the window and mind ur bizz, no problems, most crime is personal not randon |
| 06:07.08 | jescis | How about gangs? |
| 06:07.22 | MotorCityMadMan | jescis * what desktop u using ? |
| 06:07.34 | jescis | I'm not |
| 06:07.53 | MotorCityMadMan | text mode then |
| 06:07.55 | jescis | I'm in console/terminal mode |
| 06:08.04 | icedtea | you've probably not setup xorg.conf |
| 06:08.06 | jescis | correct |
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| 06:08.47 | MotorCityMadMan | icedtea * me thinks ur right, like i say more reading i will do |
| 06:08.51 | xoz | !ur |
| 06:08.51 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
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| 06:09.00 | cvn | hi how do i add a user into the sudo file? |
| 06:09.10 | Jaggz | can I get konquerer to display its own name in the title-bar / task-button? |
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| 06:09.19 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 06:09.22 | xoz | cvn: visudo |
| 06:09.22 | stew | cvn: with visudo |
| 06:09.23 | icedtea | there's tools that will do this for you I believe, and I should get to know them, but I've always typed in what I need in xorg.conf |
| 06:09.28 | cvn | thanks |
| 06:09.38 | babilen | !drxx |
| 06:09.38 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 06:10.07 | cvn | xoz and stew, what line must i add in? |
| 06:10.09 | icedtea | thanks babilen |
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| 06:10.42 | MotorCityMadMan | dpkg is bot here me is guessing |
| 06:10.43 | icedtea | Azar: hello |
| 06:10.55 | icedtea | MotorCityMadMan: yes |
| 06:11.11 | xoz | cvn: man sudoers |
| 06:11.24 | MotorCityMadMan | !dpkg |
| 06:11.24 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>, or me. |
| 06:11.56 | Jaggz | konquerer hides itself by changing its name to the current tab's title |
| 06:12.05 | Jaggz | can this behavior be changed? |
| 06:12.52 | xoz | cvn: cvn ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL .......to make cvn run all root programs with no passwd |
| 06:13.22 | cvn | thx |
| 06:16.30 | Azar | hi icedtea :) |
| 06:16.47 | icedtea | !dpkg Azar |
| 06:16.58 | icedtea | huh |
| 06:17.20 | Azar | unknown command |
| 06:17.37 | icedtea | yeah |
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| 06:19.48 | Azar | hmm only 3 candidates this year |
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| 06:23.24 | jescis | babilen: should I start x after running the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command? |
| 06:24.45 | icedtea | Azar: for president? |
| 06:25.00 | Azar | icedtea: president of what? |
| 06:25.01 | beardy | Only if you want it to start. If you run a display manager, you start that. |
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| 06:25.18 | icedtea | Azar: heh, thought you were talking about U.S. poltics :P |
| 06:25.26 | Azar | um no |
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| 06:31.21 | jescis | beardy: I tried startx and it said that it was already running. |
| 06:31.56 | jescis | But I'm in console mode o_O |
| 06:32.11 | icedtea | how'd you get there? |
| 06:32.32 | babilen | jescis: 'startx' would be a start. i assume that you have either (1) an ATI or (2) a NVIDIA card. |
| 06:32.52 | jescis | I have #2 |
| 06:33.05 | icedtea | do you run xdm,gdm,or kdm? |
| 06:33.05 | babilen | !nvidia |
| 06:33.06 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 06:34.16 | babilen | jescis: and as icedtea pointed out it is best to use a 'login manager' which will take care of loading the xserver. but i would suggest you get the xserver running, before you try using {xdm, gdm, kdm} |
| 06:35.22 | babilen | jescis: all these programs will display a grpahical login screen after the boot sequence is complete (like in windows, osx) and will allow you to choose your favourite window manager/desktop environment |
| 06:36.37 | jescis | I typed gdm and it says it's running o_O |
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| 06:36.57 | icedtea | jescis: sh /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 06:37.03 | icedtea | as root |
| 06:37.45 | heatman | Hello. What would be a good firewall that can be configured from a gui (that i dont have to manually configure the iptables) for etch? |
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| 06:38.47 | icedtea | heatman: xterm ;) |
| 06:38.49 | cast | this sour cream says best before feb 23rd but its pretty good |
| 06:38.59 | icedtea | cast: ug |
| 06:39.28 | babilen | heatman: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html |
| 06:39.42 | babilen | heatman: 5.14.3.1 Using firewall packages |
| 06:39.48 | heatman | icedtea: lol |
| 06:39.55 | heatman | babilen: ok tyvm |
| 06:40.17 | babilen | heatman: has a nice overview on firewall configuration packages.. |
| 06:40.39 | jescis | cast: I just did and got errors |
| 06:41.10 | cast | jescis: oh, want some chips and dip? |
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| 06:41.42 | babilen | jescis: probably because your xserver is not configured properly. try to configure it first (following the instructions on the wiki) and run gdm after that. |
| 06:41.47 | jescis | lol, nah I'm good :) |
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| 06:46.10 | stew | heatman: fwbuilder is a nice tool for building a iptables script |
| 06:46.34 | ricosecada | I am running some tests with apache2, I just purged the installation and removed the /etc/apache directory, and I wanted to reinstall it, but when I do the configuration directory doesn't get created a new. What am I missing? |
| 06:47.32 | Rada | stew: As a matter of fact, fwbuilder is a very very nice tool, if you don't trust it too much. |
| 06:47.44 | icedtea | *sigh* must get ready for work tomorrow |
| 06:47.50 | icedtea | more drudgery |
| 06:47.54 | Rada | It quite literally saved my ass tonight, when I had to convert an iptables to pf. |
| 06:48.01 | SpeedyG | tomorrow? i've got to get ready right now :( |
| 06:48.05 | SpeedyG | lucky you :p |
| 06:48.10 | Rada | Tomorrow? Right now? |
| 06:48.16 | Rada | I've been at work for 22 hours now. |
| 06:48.32 | Rada | Power failures. I eat them for breakfast! |
| 06:49.10 | Rada | Worst thing is, I don't even wanna go home. |
| 06:49.27 | SpeedyG | gheh, what kind of work do you do ? |
| 06:49.40 | Rada | sysadmin |
| 06:50.03 | SpeedyG | hm, I decided not to become one.. because I dont wanna loose my hobby :p |
| 06:50.11 | Rada | Which is... ? |
| 06:50.26 | Rada | I'm slow. Just guesed it. |
| 06:50.30 | icedtea | lol |
| 06:50.31 | SpeedyG | hehe |
| 06:50.39 | SpeedyG | lack of sleep is a killer innit? ^_^ |
| 06:50.47 | Rada | Well, it's still a fun thing to do, you know. It's just that I don't want to do it as much in my spare time anymore ;) |
| 06:50.59 | SpeedyG | exactly :) |
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| 06:51.13 | Rada | Nah, it's the over-caffeinated brain that's bugging me. I can't decide whether I'm tired, dizzy or having a headache. |
| 06:51.18 | gan | how to ste bootsplash |
| 06:51.21 | icedtea | go to bed before you mistype something on the terminal and wipe out everything |
| 06:51.32 | gan | how to set bootsplash |
| 06:51.34 | SpeedyG | oh, I had all three of them yesterday, decided I had to go home ill |
| 06:51.48 | Rada | icedtea: Not gonna happen. You should see me AUI. A for adminning. |
| 06:52.18 | icedtea | Rada: well at least your not flipping burgers |
| 06:52.29 | SpeedyG | tired, dizzy, headache, and nothing to drink at the office :( |
| 06:53.04 | babilen | gan: Debian comes with the new WaterBucket(tm), fill it with water and splash it right into the screen while the computer is booting. It even has nice sound effects such as *fizzle*, *splash* |
| 06:53.10 | Rada | icedtea: Oh, no. Atleast not burgers. I did, however, work as a cashier at a super market for a year straight before I got this job. |
| 06:53.16 | icedtea | babilen: lol |
| 06:53.49 | Rada | babilen: Feel the refreshing breeze of Splash!(r) |
| 06:53.50 | SpeedyG | babilen: hm, should I complain to the shop that sold me the debian discs? I never got my waterbucket(tm) :( |
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| 06:53.58 | cast | hmm, core 2 duo 2.66Ghz is 2.5x faster than my 2GHz X2 with jtr Traditional DES [128/128 BS SSE2-16] |
| 06:53.59 | gan | babilen, what? |
| 06:54.11 | nepbabu | !tell gan about splashy |
| 06:54.52 | Rada | !tell me about it too |
| 06:54.55 | enouf | cast: using 32 or 64 userland and kernel? |
| 06:55.00 | cast | 64bit both |
| 06:55.24 | enouf | hrm, so amd is sucking some large gonads there |
| 06:55.38 | gan | nepbabu, if i install splashy will it give bootsplash & if i want to change the image how to |
| 06:55.45 | babilen | SpeedyG: yeah you should. they are quite handy... you can even use it to splash other things apart from 'boot'. |
| 06:56.20 | cast | well, jtr has a hand written asm des implementation, along with a C one, dunno which one is getting used. that could relate to it |
| 06:56.22 | nepbabu | !tell gan about bootsplash |
| 06:56.28 | enouf | cast: i don't know enough to guess how much compiler options or just the compiler itself plays into that |
| 06:57.00 | babilen | SpeedyG: but be advised. they do not have 'heated argument' protection yet in case you use it with your significant other |
| 06:57.17 | enouf | cast: try something non-hand written ;-) |
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| 06:57.35 | gan | nepbabu, while booting the OS , the image hide the text mode & it adorn your desktop |
| 06:57.50 | nepbabu | gan, i don't know sorry. |
| 06:58.03 | icedtea | Rada: thats a big jump. supermarket boy to admin. you must have been the bitch when you first started workin there ;) |
| 06:58.14 | gan | nepbabu, then what is splashy |
| 06:58.21 | nepbabu | read it! |
| 06:58.39 | icedtea | !tell icedtea about splashy |
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| 06:59.05 | enouf | icedtea: you can /msg the bot |
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| 06:59.42 | icedtea | oh ok |
| 06:59.47 | icedtea | its late here ;) |
| 06:59.50 | Rada | icedtea: Admin? No. |
| 07:00.17 | Rada | icedtea: It's just that I don't have an official, you know, education. |
| 07:00.27 | Rada | icedtea: Just so happens, this company loves that type of people. |
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| 07:00.40 | icedtea | Rada: low wages I bet |
| 07:00.55 | Rada | icedtea: Actually not. |
| 07:01.09 | icedtea | well thats good |
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| 07:01.44 | Rada | icedtea: The reason I've gotten from my boss is that self-educated IT staff is better to have, because, well, we learn because we think it's fun. |
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| 07:02.31 | cast | there are some dumb shits with IT degrees |
| 07:02.35 | cast | </random comments> |
| 07:03.01 | Rada | cast: That reminds me to mention something |
| 07:03.17 | icedtea | bad colleges too |
| 07:03.30 | Rada | I really - really - like this neat gigabit ethernet technology. It's really handy when you have to transfer like 12G. |
| 07:03.57 | enouf | Rada: incorporating Jumbo frames? |
| 07:04.14 | icedtea | well im off to bed. nite all |
| 07:04.31 | Rada | No. Performance is only in the range of 52MB/s between two non-tuned debian systems, but still, you know, it's like having five teamed 100mbit nics. |
| 07:04.33 | gan | how to set bootsplash in debian |
| 07:04.57 | Rada | gan: |
| 07:05.01 | Rada | !tell gan about splashy |
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| 07:05.57 | cast | i'd give up X if i could get a good res/refresh on meh console |
| 07:06.33 | cast | i can bump the res with vga=, but then scrolling screenfulls becomes really slow :< |
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| 07:07.04 | Rada | I'd give up X if I could get some other means of communicating pornographic web content with my eyes. |
| 07:07.09 | Rada | err |
| 07:07.13 | Rada | That came out wrong. |
| 07:07.16 | cast | mplayer -vo caca |
| 07:07.17 | cast | ! |
| 07:07.18 | Rada | I meant to say, |
| 07:07.34 | gan | Rada, i do not know about splashy , i want to boot the debian OS with bootspalsh , how to |
| 07:07.35 | Rada | nevermind. That is exactly what I wanted to say. |
| 07:07.46 | Rada | gan: THAT IS HOW |
| 07:07.54 | Rada | gan: Using splashy |
| 07:07.59 | jescis | mplayer works without X? SWEET! |
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| 07:08.39 | cast | jescis: if you wear glasses i suggest taking them off, if you don't putting them on will help |
| 07:09.04 | jescis | lol |
| 07:09.13 | jescis | why? |
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| 07:09.39 | cast | you'll see |
| 07:09.48 | jescis | and yes I do wear glasses |
| 07:09.56 | cast | blurring -> averaging, kinda |
| 07:10.23 | vsftpd | jescis, without x mplayer works,that means you can play movie via command line,right |
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| 07:10.58 | jescis | that's what I'm guessing vsftpd |
| 07:11.13 | cast | as vsftpd might be saying, you can play a movie properly without x [with the fb] |
| 07:11.21 | cast | and view pictures with fbi |
| 07:11.25 | jetscreamer | !guess |
| 07:11.25 | dpkg | it has been said that guess is an hypothesis based on nothing |
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| 07:12.45 | enouf | directfb is the way without x-ness |
| 07:12.53 | vsftpd | cast, what is fb |
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| 07:13.10 | jescis | I saw fbx's in /dev but X says it couldn't o_O |
| 07:13.27 | xoz | frame buffer |
| 07:13.50 | jescis | darn you xoz |
| 07:14.01 | jescis | you beat me to it. |
| 07:14.10 | gan | Rada, if i install splashy what image will come while booting the partitioon |
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| 07:15.26 | enouf | jetscreamer: quick pm please? |
| 07:17.25 | enouf | Rada: links2 -g uses directfb in console - start pr0ning ;-) |
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| 07:17.41 | cast | the flicker, it blinds me! |
| 07:18.16 | jescis | cast: I have no Frame Buffers in /dev :o |
| 07:18.20 | ustunozgur | If I do hardware Raid 1 in debian, will I have to do anything extra inside the os? or will hardware take care of it without os knowing anything? |
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| 07:18.53 | enouf | jescis: /dev/fb0 |
| 07:19.41 | jescis | not even enouf |
| 07:19.55 | jescis | create it? |
| 07:20.04 | enouf | !broke |
| 07:20.04 | dpkg | hmm... broke is what you are when you are out of cash, or you're probably looking for "break" |
| 07:20.10 | jetscreamer | enouf: well sure sexy, let's get it on :) |
| 07:20.18 | enouf | heh |
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| 07:20.57 | jetscreamer | !nvrun |
| 07:20.57 | dpkg | For a quick nvidia-installer how-to, try http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt Please note that #debian does not support the nvidia-installer, ask for assistance in #nvidia , if need be. |
| 07:21.07 | enouf | O_o |
| 07:21.27 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 07:22.57 | jetscreamer | np enouf |
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| 07:25.12 | enouf | btw - i made sure to mention that it was not the debian way .. blahblah </disclaimer> ;-) |
| 07:25.34 | jetscreamer | you've seen abrotman bitch about it |
| 07:25.37 | jetscreamer | i guess |
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| 07:26.16 | jetscreamer | me i don't see the point of going through all that shit, and then half the time it winds up not working anyway |
| 07:26.39 | jetscreamer | i don't consider all that bullshit 'the debian way' personally, but that's just me |
| 07:26.47 | enouf | right - there's more than 1 bitch floating about :-) |
| 07:27.31 | enouf | (in general, and no, i'm not saying anyone in particular is one or not) </disclaimer> ;-) |
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| 07:32.29 | ricosecada | Hi, I havent been using apache 1.x like forever, but I thinking about talking a look at 2.x. Are people shifting over to 2.x, or are PHP and others still recommending the 1.x version? |
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| 07:33.32 | simonrvn | 99% of sites running apache running v2, that i've seen, though i still see v1 sites |
| 07:33.33 | jelly-ho | apache 2 isn't that new, even Debian has switched to it a while ago |
| 07:34.17 | simonrvn | er, that second running should 'run' |
| 07:34.29 | simonrvn | should be* (...) |
| 07:34.59 | simonrvn | ask and run questions suck |
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| 07:35.59 | liable | debian still has v1 on some machines |
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| 07:36.33 | liable | http://www.us.debian.org/bleh |
| 07:36.42 | liable | :) |
| 07:36.58 | simonrvn | but but that'll give a 404! :P |
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| 07:37.52 | PaloAlto | hello |
| 07:38.05 | PaloAlto | is there like a library for reading/writing unix conf files ? |
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| 07:38.48 | enouf | liable: strings /proc/kcore |
| 07:38.54 | enouf | liable: strings /proc/kcore | grep Server |
| 07:39.09 | jelly-ho | PaloAlto: there are lots of different config file formats |
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| 07:40.06 | enouf | heh strings /proc/kcore | grep 'Apache/1' |
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| 07:40.41 | jelly-ho | enouf: that will definitely find something. |
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| 07:42.00 | enouf | compare with strings /proc/kcore | grep 'Apache/2' | wc -l :-P |
| 07:42.34 | jelly-ho | same error |
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| 07:43.26 | simonrvn | jelly-ho: "permission denied"? :P |
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| 07:44.10 | jelly-ho | no... consider the similar pid=`ps auxw|grep processname` |
| 07:45.04 | liable | enouf: heh, nifty. 1054 v 292 |
| 07:45.19 | enouf | liable: nice ;-) |
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| 07:46.30 | Haris1 | Hello guys, people, everyone, folks, whatever |
| 07:46.39 | simonrvn | things works |
| 07:46.50 | Haris1 | My nat box, which is causing problems with connections, its not accepting connections at the moment |
| 07:46.52 | Haris1 | but I CAN ping it |
| 07:46.58 | Haris1 | My ssh session hasn't gone down |
| 07:47.05 | Haris1 | I have 2 sessions with it atm. |
| 07:47.20 | bolt | how can I select what xlockmore displays when locked? it doesn't seem to have a man page, and it's different each time i run it. i hate surprises. |
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| 07:48.13 | beardy | bolt: Surprise! |
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| 07:48.24 | bolt | AAAA! |
| 07:48.41 | bolt | oh wait. xlock --help was... helpful. somewhat, at least |
| 07:48.44 | beardy | bolt: What about an -h or --help option? |
| 07:48.59 | jelly-ho | enouf: it fails miserably on my http proxy running machine. 3690 for '[A]pache/1' vs. 2603 for '[A]pache/2' |
| 07:49.24 | enouf | my poor p2 is still going ;-) |
| 07:49.35 | Haris1 | Ok, what do I check now? |
| 07:49.56 | enouf | now compare to IIS O_o |
| 07:50.06 | Haris1 | ok |
| 07:50.29 | Haris1 | at this time, when I added a rule above the REDIRECT rule for port 80 -> squid port 3128, all is working fine now |
| 07:51.03 | Haris1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.03 | Haris1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.04 | beardy | bolt: Yes, IIRC it has an option to select, and mayb even to list what you can choose from, to use. |
| 07:51.19 | beardy | s/mayb/maybe/ |
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| 07:51.34 | enouf | $ man -k xclock |
| 07:51.34 | enouf | xclock (1) - analog / digital clock for X |
| 07:51.46 | jelly-ho | '[M]icrosoft-IIS/' is at merely 2037 |
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| 07:51.55 | enouf | hah |
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| 07:52.11 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:52.53 | jelly-ho | I'll do a HEAD http://localhost/ | grep ^Server instead |
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| 07:53.44 | jelly-ho | !find /HEAD |
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| 07:53.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/HEAD' (6 of 12): (/usr/bin/HEAD) in perl/libwww-perl ;; (/usr/share/yaws-yapp/HEAD.inc) in web/yaws-yapp ;; (/usr/share/doc/yaws/examples/www/HEAD) in web/yaws ;; (/usr/share/doc/file-kanji/HEADER) in misc/file-kanji ;; (/usr/share/doc/acl2-doc/HTML/HEADER.html) in doc/acl2-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/xdvik-ja/READMEs/HEADERS.DOC.gz) in tex/xdvik-ja. |
| 07:54.01 | beardy | !give head |
| 07:54.23 | jescis | lol |
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| 08:04.20 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:04.20 | dpkg | methinks qotd73 is <wokker> initech, i thought greycat disliked him as well, but then i read that he wanted to lick him ... i was most confused |
| 08:04.48 | liable | that one comes up a lot. its a goody though. |
| 08:06.08 | cast | ^ is called CIRCUMFLEX huh |
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| 08:08.53 | PokoLoko | hi there |
| 08:08.55 | PokoLoko | hello |
| 08:09.44 | PokoLoko | why python-apt is not on the reposories list? |
| 08:10.46 | tacit | (young jedi trainee voice) "Because nobody put it there." |
| 08:10.46 | wols_ | info python-apt etch |
| 08:10.50 | wols_ | !info python-apt etch |
| 08:10.55 | dpkg | python-apt: (Python interface to libapt-pkg), section python, is optional. Version: 0.6.19 (etch), Packaged size: 140 kB, Installed size: 516 kB |
| 08:11.04 | wols_ | PokoLoko: come again? |
| 08:11.14 | PokoLoko | hi |
| 08:11.34 | PokoLoko | i am trying to install gdebi and gdebi-core |
| 08:11.52 | PokoLoko | because otherwise i can't install .deb packages |
| 08:12.06 | wols_ | that is patently false |
| 08:12.10 | PokoLoko | so,this is one of the dependencies |
| 08:12.17 | wols_ | !tell ktwilight about bat |
| 08:12.19 | PokoLoko | why? |
| 08:12.25 | wols_ | !tell PokoLoko about bat |
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| 08:12.37 | PokoLoko | why is it false? |
| 08:12.51 | wols_ | cause there are a ton of ways to install .deb packages |
| 08:12.54 | PokoLoko | there is no gdebi on the synaptic |
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| 08:13.18 | ricosecada | Why did the debian team decide on raping the apache2 config? |
| 08:13.27 | wols_ | !inf gdebi etch |
| 08:13.35 | wols_ | !info gdebi etch |
| 08:13.36 | webPragmatist | hey guys i am trying to use a public/private key instead of interactive login... I am using putty to do this in windows... I am following a tutorial online but not having any luck can someone maybe step me through it? |
| 08:13.37 | dpkg | gdebi: (Simple tool to install deb files), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1.6 (etch), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
| 08:13.48 | wols_ | PokoLoko: you talk a lot of shit, right? |
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| 08:14.14 | PokoLoko | i am using lenny/sid |
| 08:14.25 | beardy | Sounds like you shouldn't. |
| 08:14.55 | sebastian^ | morning folks |
| 08:14.55 | PokoLoko | but my distro uses sid/lenny or it's based on it |
| 08:15.01 | sep | ricosecada, whateevr do you mean. the apache2 config is the best. it's soo much easier then the old monolitich aproch , easy to keep an overview. and packages can drop in config snippets easily without user aid. |
| 08:15.08 | beardy | !debian based |
| 08:15.09 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 08:15.14 | wols_ | !tell PokoLoko based on debian |
| 08:15.23 | wols_ | PokoLoko: we ONLY support debian, not your based on debian distro |
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| 08:15.36 | sep | ricosecada, and you can easily script a database integrated solution. it's just so much better then any other distro's aproch |
| 08:15.37 | ricosecada | sep, but nothing fits the apache2 documentation |
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| 08:15.57 | ricosecada | sep, they have changed things a bit to much in my opinion |
| 08:16.14 | rox | 11 |
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| 08:16.22 | spacix | site chmod -R 755 |
| 08:16.25 | spacix | that chmods the dir and all its subdirs right? |
| 08:16.28 | PokoLoko | dreamer@DL:~$ sudo apt-get install gdebi gdebi-core |
| 08:16.28 | PokoLoko | Reading package lists... Done |
| 08:16.28 | PokoLoko | Building dependency tree |
| 08:16.28 | PokoLoko | Reading state information... Done |
| 08:16.28 | PokoLoko | Package gdebi is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 08:16.44 | ricosecada | sep, but finding out how to do things when moving from 1.3 to 2.2 is one thing, having then to figure out where things are, when they are not in the "right place" makes it more difficult. |
| 08:16.49 | yacc | Hmm, wondering what I can do: dpkg --configure texlive-base-bin makes my laptop (2GB RAM + 2GB swap) run out of memory. It dies a painful death by way of the oom killer :( |
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| 08:16.54 | cast | spacix: man chmod<enter>:/-R<enter> |
| 08:16.56 | sep | it's not so different that the syntax in apache2 doc can't be uses. you only group it into the site in question for easier management |
| 08:17.09 | cast | woops, s/:// |
| 08:17.11 | sep | ricosecada, install apache2 from source then . |
| 08:17.17 | spacix | cast: I don't have login access to the server |
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| 08:17.42 | PokoLoko | so i can't get it to work |
| 08:17.43 | ricosecada | sep, where are the specific debian documentation on apache2 then since they do it the debian way? I can't find it. |
| 08:17.48 | wols_ | spacix: IF the ftp server allows it |
| 08:18.01 | sep | i for one love the debian apache2 config. and am wondering if i could port it to centos for a stubborn client of mine (that wont let me run debian) |
| 08:18.02 | spacix | wols_: it does |
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| 08:18.16 | wols_ | ricosecada: apache2-doc |
| 08:18.38 | ricosecada | wols_, thanks! |
| 08:18.42 | sep | /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz is also wrth a read |
| 08:19.35 | rox | i am having the wierdest problems with my startx script - it fails for no apparent reason. Other ways to start X succeed, things like startxfce4, display manager logins etc... The only errors that get reported are some xkbcomp errors, which also apeare if i start X in any other way. |
| 08:19.44 | sep | i guess that was kinda redundant since /usr/share/doc/{packagename}/README.Debian is allways worth a read :) |
| 08:20.11 | rox | does anybody have a clue what is going on? |
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| 08:26.45 | Haris1 | guys |
| 08:26.51 | Haris1 | Mar 12 10:44:35 sglhrcvs squid[3238]: client_side.cc(2699) WARNING! Your cache is running out of filedescriptors <- |
| 08:27.06 | Haris1 | This tell me squid3 was built with too few filedescriptors, even at 4K |
| 08:27.17 | Haris1 | Please change this value to 232K at least |
| 08:27.26 | Haris1 | or 100L |
| 08:27.27 | Haris1 | 100K |
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| 08:30.35 | snewp | is it possible to exclude openoffice's appearance to the gtk theme that will be used ? |
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| 08:31.45 | rati | Hey I have configured pptp vpn and in that I can connect to 2 machines throught VPN, but problem is that if 1 user is connected than other user can connect but no ping and I cant access any thing |
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| 08:34.58 | ricosecada | What am I missing to install when I issue a2enmod and php5 is not in the list. I have installed php5 and it automatically installes libapache2-mod-php5. |
| 08:35.36 | ricosecada | sep, you must know this :-) |
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| 08:38.24 | Haris1 | Where do I give suggestion/enhancement for squid? |
| 08:38.38 | Haris1 | packages.debian.org ? bugs.debian.org? |
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| 08:38.52 | zophy | benny hannas |
| 08:38.57 | cast | depends, should you go to the upstream |
| 08:40.33 | johndbritton | im getting some kind of strange apt-get error... when i run any command i get the following "the following packages have unmet dependencies:" it lists cron, exim4-base, exim4-config, mysql-server-5.0, and nfs-common... all depends: adduser but it is not going to be installed |
| 08:40.52 | wols_ | the install adduser |
| 08:41.40 | johndbritton | if i do a apt-get install adduser i get the same error and "adduser is already at the newest version" |
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| 08:43.30 | wols_ | !tell johndbritton about bat |
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| 08:43.56 | cloner | but thats the beauty of debian, you don't have to worry about dependencies, maybe you mixed up repos in you sources.list |
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| 08:44.39 | avtobiff | !tell me about bat |
| 08:44.48 | wols_ | !tell avtobiff about selftell |
| 08:44.58 | johndbritton | avtobiff: just pasted in #flood |
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| 08:45.16 | avtobiff | wols_, sorry. i didn't know. |
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| 08:45.37 | wols_ | johndbritton: good luck getting an answer |
| 08:47.02 | cast | pastebins are better than #flood imho, as they are less temporally sensitive, and you don't have to be in another channel |
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| 08:48.08 | rox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:48.33 | Radhad | hi all |
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| 08:48.54 | johndbritton | http://rafb.net/p/hHq1qE52.html |
| 08:49.21 | Radhad | I'm trying to update Debian Etch to Lenny - but it hangs at "binutils" - is that normal that it takes so long? |
| 08:49.40 | cast | there should be etch->lenny notes somewhere |
| 08:50.18 | wols_ | johndbritton: what is you exim4-base package version? |
| 08:50.28 | wols_ | !etch->lenny |
| 08:50.28 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs> and <release notes>, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 08:50.29 | wols_ | yes there |
| 08:50.33 | rox | johndbritton: what does this command output : $ cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 08:50.44 | johndbritton | 4.0 |
| 08:51.08 | Radhad | I'm running 2.6.x kernel |
| 08:51.18 | Radhad | and also changed sources.list ... |
| 08:51.24 | johndbritton | wols_4.63-17 |
| 08:51.31 | jones- | Hi. I have a new installation of Debian Lenny/Sid on a Thinkpad T42 and can't get the external monitor working. It's plugged in to the VGA slot of the laptop. I followed a xinerama howto but still didn't get it working. Can anyone help, please? |
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| 08:53.43 | rox | jones-: perhaps there is some documentation on linuxlaptops.org |
| 08:53.50 | johndbritton | rox: wols_: if i do a apt-get install adduser, I get the same message, but it also says adduser is already at the newest version |
| 08:54.10 | rox | johndbritton: how did you get into this state? |
| 08:54.15 | Radhad | hmm.. nothing happens while "Preparing to replace binutils 2.17cvs20070426-8 (using .../binutils_2.18.1~cvs20080103-1_i386.deb) ... |
| 08:54.15 | Radhad | Unpacking replacement binutils ..." |
| 08:54.57 | johndbritton | im not really sure, this machine has been running fine for months... i just logged in and tried to install cacti, but it wouldnt let me becuase there were problems with the dependencies |
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| 08:55.34 | rox | johndbritton: cat /etc/debian_version says what? |
| 08:55.36 | johndbritton | if i run #adduser it works |
| 08:55.42 | johndbritton | rox: 4.0 |
| 08:56.19 | johndbritton | so i know its there... but for some reason it thinks it's missing |
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| 08:56.44 | rox | johndbritton: have you tried running apt-get -f install ? |
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| 08:57.22 | johndbritton | is there a way to rebuild the internal database for apt? |
| 08:57.22 | johndbritton | yes |
| 08:58.20 | rox | johndbritton: it seems as if you are not telling us the whole story here - a system does not get into that state all by itself |
| 08:58.43 | Radhad | what can I do so that binutils can be compiled? |
| 08:58.51 | Radhad | apt-get dist-upgrade hangs |
| 08:59.12 | johndbritton | ive tried apt-get -f install, apt-get -f upgrade |
| 08:59.12 | johndbritton | if i do -f install it shows the install taking place, and then i still have the unmet dependency if i do an apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:59.14 | johndbritton | rox: im telling you all i know... i just logged into the machine a few minutes ago |
| 08:59.16 | johndbritton | and did apt-get install cacti |
| 08:59.37 | johndbritton | then i got some dependency errors, so i ran apt-get update, then upgrade |
| 08:59.37 | johndbritton | and now im in this state |
| 08:59.45 | johndbritton | actually i am lying |
| 08:59.54 | johndbritton | there was a segfault in tehre |
| 08:59.55 | johndbritton | there |
| 09:00.05 | johndbritton | during the apt-get install |
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| 09:00.41 | enouf | $ apt-cache search cabextract |
| 09:00.41 | enouf | cabextract - a program to extract Microsoft Cabinet files |
| 09:00.43 | wols_ | johndbritton: reinstall adduers y force? |
| 09:00.45 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: show us the full output of your apt-get run; and apt-cache policy; for the relevant packages. |
| 09:00.49 | enouf | whoops |
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| 09:00.59 | johndbritton | of cacti... that's prob what caused this state |
| 09:00.59 | johndbritton | why it segfaulted i have no idea |
| 09:01.13 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: ah, see it in the scrollback. Continue. |
| 09:01.15 | johndbritton | wols_ ? |
| 09:01.30 | webPragmatist | not to start a flame but is there any specific reasons you guys use debian vs ubuntu? |
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| 09:01.48 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: so what happens when you try to install adduser? |
| 09:01.51 | wols_ | !tell webPragmatist about why debian |
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| 09:02.46 | cast | webPragmatist: ubuntu doesn't add any value for me. ive been using loonix long enough that debian is already as userfriendly as i want, ubuntus added userfriendlyness just annoys me - as bugs inevitably get introduced |
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| 09:03.20 | GPenguin | webPragmatist: personally, i like that i have much more control over whats going on, there is much more transparency and the infrastructure provides a lot more information |
| 09:03.22 | webPragmatist | cast: well i am talking in terms of a server ... I am not sure where you are coming from with the user friendlyness thing |
| 09:03.33 | webPragmatist | because i thought ubuntu was vastly similar |
| 09:03.35 | johndbritton | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/BCHmC662.html |
| 09:03.35 | johndbritton | thats what happens |
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| 09:05.00 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: run apt-get --reinstall intall adduser; |
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| 09:05.53 | johndbritton | didnt work http://rafb.net/p/U4fwLA92.html |
| 09:05.53 | rox | webPragmatist: if you are talking about servers, then there is absolutely no reason to run ubuntu. Debian is inherently more stable and secure then ubuntu |
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| 09:06.06 | webPragmatist | rox ok |
| 09:06.42 | n0mad | heh how to make xbindkeys auto startup ? |
| 09:06.43 | webPragmatist | i am just wondering because I read this "Despite its image as a desktop distribution, it is suitable for servers. Since it has a fully supported release every 6 months, it can be a good choice for people who like Debian but don't want to run either an old system (Debian stable) or an unsupported system (Debian testing or unstable). Most settings are not dissimilar to Debian." |
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| 09:07.25 | johndbritton | dondelelcaro: any ideas? |
| 09:07.31 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: your sources.list is truncated for some reason; add an entry so that you can reinstall adduser. |
| 09:07.31 | johndbritton | im pretty stumped |
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| 09:08.14 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: once you've added an entry, the apt-get --reinstall adduser; command should work. |
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| 09:08.20 | johndbritton | dondelelcaro: can you elaborate ... im not sure i understand |
| 09:08.22 | Haris1 | Where can I post an enhancement request in squid3 package on debian? |
| 09:08.24 | cast | webPragmatist: old is stable, stable is old, new is unstable. imho anyway |
| 09:08.27 | johndbritton | what entry should i add? |
| 09:08.35 | n0mad | is it enough to add line "xbindkeys &" to xsesions ? |
| 09:08.39 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: an entry pointing at an actual Debian mirror. |
| 09:09.01 | dondelelcaro | Haris1: file a wishlist bug against the squid3 package using reportbug |
| 09:09.19 | Haris1 | aha! reportbug makes my job easy :D |
| 09:09.26 | webPragmatist | cast: but that may not be the case with security |
| 09:09.27 | johndbritton | http://rafb.net/p/94D1zw62.html dondelelcaro |
| 09:09.33 | webPragmatist | or maybe so i dunno |
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| 09:09.46 | webPragmatist | i just thought i'd spark the topic to get some input... i don't plan on switching |
| 09:10.02 | cast | webPragmatist: debian stable has very good security updates, just generally not any other kind of updates |
| 09:10.14 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: and you've run apt-get update; recently? |
| 09:10.21 | johndbritton | yes, multiple time |
| 09:10.22 | johndbritton | s |
| 09:10.37 | rox | webPragmatist: rarely one has a genuine need for running bleeding edge software on servers. Debian probides stability and reliability and security. Ubuntu is basically a polished-up debian unstable |
| 09:10.44 | johndbritton | http://rafb.net/p/9U4jf917.html |
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| 09:10.54 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: ok, rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin; and rerun apt-get update; then run apt-cache policy adduser; |
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| 09:11.52 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: it may also be worth it to kill the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists/*; (but leave the partials directory) |
| 09:12.06 | Haris1 | 1) #468567: Bashism in rules <- bashism? lol |
| 09:12.30 | johndbritton | dondelelcaro: including the .gpg stuff? |
| 09:12.34 | dondelelcaro | Haris1: yes, /bin/sh isn't necessarily /bin/bash |
| 09:12.38 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: yes. |
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| 09:12.58 | johndbritton | i think that fixed it |
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| 09:13.20 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: now run apt-get update; then reinstall adduser; then see what apt-get says. |
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| 09:13.23 | rox | webPragmatist: even if you need a newer version of some package then is in latest debian stable, you can usually find a backport, which means that you only have one package, that was not thoroughly tested, while with ubuntu you have a whole unstable system with some make-up |
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| 09:14.22 | rox | johndbritton: it would be a good idea to find out how your system got into the state that it was in |
| 09:14.26 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: if that fixed it, you were suffering from some corruption of the package cache, which shouldn't happen, but sometimes does if you kill apt while it's writing to the cache. |
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| 09:14.51 | dondelelcaro | (libapt probably should do a beter job of detecting it, but it's fairly rare) |
| 09:15.02 | jelly-home | rox: ubuntu may have been polished unstable when it started, but now it has decent features not available in debian at all, unstable or otherwise |
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| 09:16.35 | johndbritton | dondelelcaro: can you explain what /var/cache/apt/*.bin is? |
| 09:16.35 | johndbritton | "adduser is already the newest version" but im not getting errors anymroe |
| 09:16.35 | johndbritton | apt crashed with a segfault |
| 09:16.43 | rox | jelly-home: features useful in servers? |
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| 09:17.21 | jelly-home | rox: sometimes. eg. they have a smalled shell as /bin/sh |
| 09:17.29 | jelly-home | smaller* |
| 09:17.45 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: that's actually a feature of Debian too, it's just not the default. |
| 09:17.47 | zafy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.47 | zafy | <zafy> It seems to be a probleme witht the python C API, anyone know how I can fix that ? |
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| 09:18.01 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: that's the binary package cache; it's basically a memory dump of the package tree. |
| 09:18.23 | Radhad | !release notes |
| 09:18.23 | dpkg | i guess release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 09:18.24 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: if it gets corrupted, apt-get doesn't know the relationship between packages, and anything can happen. |
| 09:18.33 | Radhad | !lenn release notes |
| 09:18.36 | Radhad | !lenny release notes |
| 09:18.48 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: we're discussing defaults... I mean, you can do much the same things on both if you include nondefault config |
| 09:18.51 | zafy | anyone ? |
| 09:18.53 | dondelelcaro | Radhad: there aren't release notes for lenny because lenny hasn't been released. |
| 09:19.09 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: right; there's an important reason why it isn't the default in Debian, though. |
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| 09:19.40 | dondelelcaro | the main issue is breaking end user created scripts with bashisms |
| 09:19.43 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: that's my point... u. is ahead of Debian with some features. |
| 09:19.44 | Radhad | dondelelcaro: I know .. I have problems updating from etch to lenny testing |
| 09:19.45 | rox | jelly-home: i did not know we were discussing defaults :-/ |
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| 09:20.05 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: that's not really a case of them being ahead, it's just a case of them making a different decision. |
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| 09:20.40 | johndbritton | dondelelcaro: I tried running apt-get clean... shouldnt that have cleared it |
| 09:20.40 | johndbritton | is there a more friendly way to clear it through apt? |
| 09:20.43 | zafy | anyone ? |
| 09:20.49 | Radhad | apt-get upgrade hangs everytime at binutils_2.18.1*.deb |
| 09:20.58 | dondelelcaro | Radhad: give us the full output |
| 09:20.59 | Radhad | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.18 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: no, apt-get clean only clears the package cache, not those files |
| 09:21.20 | Radhad | Preparing to replace binutils 2.17cvs20070426-8 (using binutils_2.18.1~cvs20080103-1_i386.deb) ... |
| 09:21.21 | Radhad | Unpacking replacement binutils ... |
| 09:21.27 | dondelelcaro | johndbritton: and there's not anyway to do it TTBOMK. |
| 09:21.33 | Radhad | I have run that 30 minutes but nothing happened |
| 09:21.34 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: context is server installations. I dare say having a smaller footprint /bin/sh is being ahead. |
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| 09:21.41 | babilen | !tell Radhad about bat |
| 09:21.45 | Haris1 | done! |
| 09:22.01 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it actually doesn't make much difference for server installations. |
| 09:22.12 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: the real case where it makes a huge difference is booting |
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| 09:22.20 | dondelelcaro | (which is pretty much irrelevant for servers) |
| 09:22.21 | trip | suck a fatasd;f |
| 09:22.21 | trip | dick |
| 09:22.23 | trip | suck it |
| 09:22.24 | trip | ;adf |
| 09:22.25 | trip | I love it |
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| 09:22.53 | dondelelcaro | Radhad: ps axfu; and run strace on whatever process is being run by dpkg. |
| 09:23.00 | rox | zafy: you have a version mismatch. Did you install all of your python modules through debian's package management tools? |
| 09:23.01 | dondelelcaro | Radhad: you should also check dmesg. |
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| 09:23.16 | zafy | rox all except that one |
| 09:23.18 | rati | Hey I have problem in pptp vpn, can any one help me here? |
| 09:23.25 | rati | I cant make 2 connection |
| 09:23.30 | Radhad | I will try that, thx |
| 09:23.38 | rox | zafy: that is your problem then - you have a version mismatch |
| 09:23.46 | rati | if 1 is connected than 2 got connected but no communication |
| 09:24.01 | zafy | rox, so how do I fix that ? use an other version of PIL ? |
| 09:24.20 | rox | zafy: is PIL not packaged for your release of debian? |
| 09:24.38 | zafy | rox, not for python2.5, I need it for python 2.5 |
| 09:25.09 | rox | zafy: how about looking for a debian package somewhere, have you tried apt-get.org? |
| 09:25.37 | zafy | there is NO debian package for PIL for python 2.5 in etch I looked |
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| 09:26.13 | zafy | and i couldn't seem to succed backporting it |
| 09:26.44 | zafy | rox, I'm looking atapt-get.org |
| 09:26.52 | zafy | but I think I already did |
| 09:27.12 | Radhad | I could install it with dpkg -i binutils*.deb |
| 09:27.39 | Radhad | there seems to be another problem with the hardware / system, because it hangs now at another package |
| 09:27.50 | dondelelcaro | Radhad: yes, that's why I suggested what I suggested. |
| 09:27.54 | zafy | rox any idea ? would it work with a previous version of PIL ? |
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| 09:28.27 | the_sniff | my munin is not updatign and there are no logs, i suspect the cron.d entry isn't running, how do i check that? |
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| 09:28.36 | rox | zafy: you need to install matching versions, that's all there is to it |
| 09:28.52 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: there are logs, and they're in /var/log/munin. |
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| 09:28.58 | zafy | rox ok |
| 09:29.04 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: if you don't have logs, then something else is wrong. |
| 09:29.19 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: i mean have logs, they're not updates |
| 09:29.28 | ctp_ | hi folks. anyone has a hint how to solve this dependencies: |
| 09:29.30 | ctp_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:29.32 | ctp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.33 | the_sniff | when i run it manually i get stuff in the logs and all is ok |
| 09:29.34 | ctp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.42 | the_sniff | i guess the cron doesn't run |
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| 09:30.06 | the_sniff | and its annoying when people answer things you do not ask, no offence :) |
| 09:30.17 | Emjay79 | is there an italian channel for debian |
| 09:30.24 | the_sniff | ctp_ upgrade your libc? |
| 09:30.25 | stew | zafy: if you tried to backport the testing/unstable version of python-imaging you would still get a version that only supported python2.4 because 'pyversions --supported' would not return "python2.5". |
| 09:30.26 | dondelelcaro | !it |
| 09:30.26 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
| 09:30.32 | Emjay79 | tnkz |
| 09:30.46 | stew | ctp_: do you have a entry in sources.list for security.debian.org? |
| 09:30.58 | zafy | stew ok, so is there a way ? |
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| 09:31.02 | ctp_ | stew: yepp, it's there |
| 09:31.10 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: we attempt to answer your actual question, but in any event, check /var/log/auth.log and make sure cron is running the munin crontab. |
| 09:31.17 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: then check /etc/cron.d/munin |
| 09:31.23 | stew | oh kept back |
| 09:31.25 | Radhad | dondelelcaro: I cannot use strace: attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted |
| 09:31.29 | stew | ctp_: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 09:31.29 | dondelelcaro | Radhad: as root. |
| 09:31.33 | dondelelcaro | s/munin/&-node/ |
| 09:31.47 | Radhad | I have only 1 root console open |
| 09:31.55 | dondelelcaro | Radhad: open another? |
| 09:31.58 | Radhad | and sudo su - does not work right now |
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| 09:32.09 | stew | zafy: i'd think by backporting python first |
| 09:32.27 | zafy | stew ? I'm not sure I understand |
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| 09:32.48 | zafy | why would I backport python ? I have 2.5 on my system |
| 09:32.51 | ctp_ | stew: ah, ok. mni thx. dist-upgrade solved all. |
| 09:32.55 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: what should i see in the auth.log? |
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| 09:33.37 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: you should see cron jobs being fired off every 5 minutes. |
| 09:33.43 | the_sniff | ok |
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| 09:33.53 | the_sniff | always nice to learn something new :p |
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| 09:34.01 | OmiKrOn | hi |
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| 09:34.31 | OmiKrOn | i am trying to boot another kernel image and i get this weird character then all stops ÿ |
| 09:34.39 | OmiKrOn | LILO 22.3.4 boot: |
| 09:34.40 | OmiKrOn | Loading install................................... |
| 09:34.40 | OmiKrOn | BIOS data check successful |
| 09:34.40 | OmiKrOn | ÿ |
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| 09:34.45 | OmiKrOn | srry |
| 09:34.57 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro what if i don't see it? |
| 09:35.05 | rox | OmiKrOn: use pastebin : rafb.net/paste |
| 09:35.09 | zafy | rox, okay I took the previous version of PIL and it seems to work |
| 09:35.26 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro could the cron not be running? i do see it's process |
| 09:35.27 | rox | zafy: nice |
| 09:36.11 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: then you either don't have the cron job installed, munin-cron isn't executable, the munin user doesn't exist, cron doesn't like the name, or similar. |
| 09:36.20 | dondelelcaro | (you also might not be running Debian's cron) |
| 09:36.32 | Radhad | Maybe this is a problem? http://paste.debian.net/50996 |
| 09:36.34 | zafy | I've been having those kind of issues for a while though and I really wished I could run my app with 2.4 but it doesn't seem like it'll work |
| 09:36.45 | the_sniff | there is a munin user, the file runs manually, the cron is exactly like on other servers |
| 09:36.46 | zafy | so I need to find a way to get everything working |
| 09:36.53 | the_sniff | and i have restarted cron |
| 09:36.58 | the_sniff | what else could be wrong? |
| 09:37.02 | zafy | I guess I'll be doing a bunch of backports and self-compiling |
| 09:37.02 | stew | zafy: when you build the python-imaging package, it uses 'pyversions' to determine which versions of python it should support, when you run "pyversions --supported" on your etch install, it will not list python2.5 as a supported version |
| 09:37.05 | Haris1 | I'm getting this error while building squid -> http://pastebin.ca/939462 |
| 09:37.09 | the_sniff | how do i see if the cron is "installed" ? |
| 09:37.14 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: you don't actually need to restart cron, because it checks that directory itself. |
| 09:37.24 | Haris1 | I'm using the debian configure parameters only tuning the filedescriptor value |
| 09:37.29 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: look at /etc/cron.d/munin |
| 09:37.30 | zafy | stew, ok so I should backport python2.5 so it's listed in there ? |
| 09:37.31 | rox | zafy: then the next solution is to do what stew suggested earlyer - install a backported python 2.5 |
| 09:37.35 | stew | zafy: since the pyversions script comes from the python package, i'm saying that you'd have to backport python in order to get it to support python2.5 |
| 09:37.46 | zafy | stew, ah |
| 09:37.47 | zafy | ok |
| 09:37.47 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: you should also check that getent passwd munin; works properly. |
| 09:37.52 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro its ok and similiar to the one on other servers |
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| 09:38.09 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: you have multiple servers running the munin collector? |
| 09:38.10 | zafy | stew, rox, could you help me do that ? I'm not sure how I could do it |
| 09:38.13 | the_sniff | works too |
| 09:38.28 | stew | zafy: apt-get -b source python |
| 09:38.29 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: yes, every one has its own munin for itself |
| 09:38.32 | stew | zafy: /msg dpkg source |
| 09:38.36 | Haris1 | what package am I missing here? |
| 09:38.40 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: ah, ok. Did you happen to run munin-cron as root? |
| 09:38.53 | the_sniff | yeah, but i changed the permissions back |
| 09:38.59 | the_sniff | it works manually from the munin user |
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| 09:39.23 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: ok. Do you see any entries in /var/log/auth.log for cron? |
| 09:39.24 | shudder | hey everyone. i am using debian stable 4.0 and i am trying to install a newer version of GTK from source. for that i need also to install newer versions of glib and pango. i compiled glib and installed it in /opt/gtk but i don't know how to tell the configure script to look in that dir for the new versions |
| 09:39.33 | sadmin | any one works on awstat |
| 09:39.34 | shudder | can anyone help ? |
| 09:39.35 | sadmin | ? |
| 09:39.37 | stew | Haris1: apt-get build-dep squid3 |
| 09:39.49 | dondelelcaro | shudder: why are you compiling them? |
| 09:39.52 | wols_ | shudder: why can't you do a backport? |
| 09:39.56 | dondelelcaro | shudder: if you need newer versions use a backport. |
| 09:39.58 | sonnie | i connected a removeable disk to lenny and fdisk shows this: /dev/sdd5 ? 147348 273166 1010632982+ d0 Unknown |
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| 09:40.10 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: no not even when i run it manually |
| 09:40.24 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: not just for munin, but for any cron events? |
| 09:40.24 | sonnie | but sfdisk -l doesn't show it. why? this is a FFS partition |
| 09:40.43 | shudder | dondelelcaro: can you point me to a docs for using backports ? |
| 09:40.46 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: are you using syslog-ng or similar? |
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| 09:40.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell shudder -about backports |
| 09:41.04 | shudder | i know compiling from source is not a very good idea for debian, but i don't want to override my current gtk versions |
| 09:41.26 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: no don't see it |
| 09:41.36 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: and no, whats syslog-ng? |
| 09:41.47 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: just a different syslog than the default |
| 09:42.00 | shudder | the_sniff: new generation as far as i know |
| 09:42.07 | shudder | it can log to sql database for example |
| 09:42.12 | Haris1 | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 09:42.12 | Haris1 | E: Unable to find a source package for squid3 |
| 09:42.43 | Haris1 | squid3 is not installed atm. |
| 09:43.11 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: i see an error in the syslog (one of many) (*system*munin) WRONG SYMLINK OWNER (/etc/cron.d/munin) |
| 09:43.17 | the_sniff | what does this mean? |
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| 09:44.03 | zafy | stew okay thanks |
| 09:44.19 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: uh... /etc/cron.d/munin shouldn't be a symlink. |
| 09:44.46 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: if you're using the Debian packages (which you should be) it's just a conffile |
| 09:44.52 | the_sniff | and it isn't lol |
| 09:45.07 | the_sniff | the owner was www-data for some reason :s |
| 09:45.15 | dondelelcaro | well, that's totally wrong. |
| 09:45.19 | dondelelcaro | it should be root:root |
| 09:45.28 | dondelelcaro | (and 0644 to boot) |
| 09:45.35 | zafy | stew so will that python2.5 be the same than the one I installed ? |
| 09:45.36 | the_sniff | wtf, all of /etc is www-data |
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| 09:45.45 | the_sniff | maybe since this server was moved from another one |
| 09:45.47 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: sounds like someone went crazy with chmod -R |
| 09:45.53 | the_sniff | would it be safe to chown -R root /etc ? |
| 09:45.57 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: nope |
| 09:46.17 | the_sniff | i should go at each dir one by one :D? |
| 09:46.18 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: well, it'd be safer than having it owned by www-data, assuming everything was, but it's still not right. |
| 09:46.29 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: it'll break stuff |
| 09:46.48 | the_sniff | what would it break? |
| 09:46.58 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: I'd start with find . -uid www-data -print0|xargs -0 chmod root; and go from there. |
| 09:47.01 | nevyn | the_sniff: stuff that expects to own it's config files |
| 09:47.31 | the_sniff | nevyn: everything was mistakenly owned by www-data ... |
| 09:48.52 | Haris1 | how can I check what package db_185.h belong to? |
| 09:49.00 | Haris1 | its not there, that's why squid is giving error |
| 09:49.42 | dondelelcaro | !+find db_185.h |
| 09:49.44 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:49.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'db_185.h' (1): (/usr/include/db_185.h) in libdevel/libdb-dev,libdevel/libdb4.5-dev,libdevel/libdb4.4-dev,libdevel/libdb4.3-dev,libdevel/libdb4.2-dev. |
| 09:51.34 | rox | Haris1: apt-file |
| 09:51.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell Haris1 -about search |
| 09:51.59 | Haris1 | not found |
| 09:52.03 | dondelelcaro | f |
| 09:52.14 | dondelelcaro | Haris1: it's certainlly found, as you can see above. |
| 09:52.25 | Haris1 | hmm |
| 09:52.33 | Haris1 | I was talking about apt-file |
| 09:52.35 | rox | Haris1: dpkg told you a few lines up, i mentioned apt-file for you to use in the future |
| 09:52.54 | Haris1 | Thanks! guys |
| 09:53.04 | rox | Haris1: if you have just installed apt-file, then you need to initialize the database first |
| 09:53.25 | Haris1 | never installed it |
| 09:53.33 | Haris1 | One thing more I learned today =) |
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| 09:57.53 | Administrator | hi all |
| 09:57.59 | Administrator | SSLCertificateFile takes one argument, SSL Server Certificate file (`/path/to/file' - PEM or DER encoded) |
| 09:58.10 | Administrator | anyone a idea with this error |
| 09:58.51 | the_sniff | can i echo>/var/spool/mail/user ? |
| 10:00.01 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: you still there m8? |
| 10:00.08 | the_sniff | i don't get any errors |
| 10:00.12 | the_sniff | but i still dont see it run |
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| 10:01.05 | badcfe_ | i always forget .. what debian installation cd shoud is use for Intel XEON dual core processors. AMD64 or i386 ? |
| 10:01.26 | johndbritton | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help before... strangely I've had aptitude segfault a couple times in the past 30 minutes or so |
| 10:01.26 | johndbritton | and i had to use your tip again to fix the machine |
| 10:02.22 | johndbritton | any idea how to troubleshoot the segfaults? |
| 10:02.22 | johndbritton | everything else seems to be running ok |
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| 10:03.28 | badcfe_ | on a debian install how can i see if it was installed from i386 or amd64 install set ? |
| 10:04.12 | badcfe | my cpuflags are fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl vmx tm2 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm |
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| 10:04.21 | badcfe | what install set should i use amd64 ot i386 ? |
| 10:04.42 | badcfe | its an intel xeon |
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| 10:04.54 | the_sniff | i can't get cron.d scripts running |
| 10:04.58 | the_sniff | i added touch /tmp/test |
| 10:05.04 | the_sniff | and it doesn't get created :( |
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| 10:08.57 | wols_ | badcfe: man dpkg |
| 10:08.58 | badcfe | someone has at least a pointer to dome doc about what i asked about? |
| 10:09.07 | badcfe | wols_: wow same sec telepathy |
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| 10:09.19 | wols_ | badcfe: how much RAM do you have? |
| 10:09.29 | wols_ | and desktop or server use? |
| 10:09.45 | the_sniff | im running strace and i see cron not getting anything inside the cron.d dir |
| 10:09.47 | the_sniff | how is that? |
| 10:10.05 | badcfe | server for lots of copying of bytes (media stuff) |
| 10:10.11 | badcfe | MemTotal: 3366496 kB |
| 10:10.14 | wols_ | 64bit then |
| 10:10.26 | wols_ | badcfe: the memory figure is wrong |
| 10:10.27 | badcfe | wols_: amount of mem makes up for decision? |
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| 10:10.44 | wols_ | yes it's a factor |
| 10:10.49 | badcfe | wols_: mem figure wrong how? |
| 10:11.17 | wols_ | what you said is what linux currently recognizes not what's in the box |
| 10:11.34 | badcfe | oh? |
| 10:11.52 | badcfe | another line of /proc/cpuinfo is better? |
| 10:12.00 | wols_ | no |
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| 10:12.46 | Xim | Hi. I my running Debian etch, but need kernel >= 2.6.21 to run FFADO for my soundcard. I've used backports and installed kernel 2.6.22 no probs, but now my raw1394 module doesn't work (in 2.6.22) - I have seen suggestion that there's a kernel config bug which means the raw1394 module won't load? |
| 10:12.50 | Haris1 | building squid from source didn't install the init script. Any easy way to get it? |
| 10:12.54 | the_sniff | jrlp me : |
| 10:12.56 | the_sniff | help :"| |
| 10:13.12 | Haris1 | or should I be contend with it |
| 10:15.04 | nelf | Whats that smell? |
| 10:15.13 | Xim | :) |
| 10:16.19 | the_sniff | my cron.d scripts aren't running i took a look at strace and it stats the dir but doesn't the scripts what could be wrong? |
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| 10:20.59 | o2T7 | Hi, I have a problem when mounting a samba resource whose resource name contains blank spaces. I can mount any other resource by editing /etc/fstab, but not when the "device" is "//some.ip.to.share/resource\ name\ with\ spaces" |
| 10:21.28 | the_sniff | heeeeeeeelpppp :e |
| 10:21.41 | wols_ | either quotes OR escape with \. not both |
| 10:22.48 | o2T7 | wols_: Yes, i didn't use them at the same time. I escape the blank spaces and get an error about malfomed line in fstab |
| 10:22.54 | the_sniff | :s |
| 10:23.02 | the_sniff | no one has an idea what could be wrong? |
| 10:24.09 | rox | the_sniff: it just checks whether the dir has changed to see if it needs to read anything else |
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| 10:24.41 | rox | the_sniff: it has the old stuff cached |
| 10:25.12 | the_sniff | but i saw it did stat the dir on another server that has it working good |
| 10:25.15 | the_sniff | and it doesn't run |
| 10:25.25 | o2T7 | When i quote the whole "device" string, mount still interprets the blank spaces and so it thinks that the second word of the resource is the mount point |
| 10:27.19 | o2T7 | I know that using spaces on file or dir names is a bad practice, but it doesn't depend on me and i guess that there are lots of people facing win networks and using their resources |
| 10:27.28 | rox | Haris1: that means the init script doesn+'t come with the package |
| 10:27.55 | rox | o2T7: what is your fstab line? |
| 10:28.06 | wols_ | !tell Haris1 about simple sid backport |
| 10:28.28 | wols_ | Xim: there is no raw1394 modules in kernel anymore IIRC |
| 10:28.47 | Haris1 | wols_: Ok, so you want me to install the package for sid? |
| 10:28.52 | Haris1 | version of the package+ |
| 10:28.53 | o2T7 | rox: //172.26.0.111/COSAS\ DE\ MAITE /mnt/smb_emilio smbfs user,credentials=/etc/samba/cred-file,rw,noauto 0 0 |
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| 10:29.11 | Xim | wols_: I've compiled & installed raw1394 from svn |
| 10:29.25 | o2T7 | then I run: `sudo mount /mnt/smb_emilio` |
| 10:29.30 | wols_ | Xim: so what is your error if you have the module? |
| 10:29.51 | wols_ | o2T7: try "\\ " instead |
| 10:29.55 | rox | Xim: and you get? |
| 10:30.01 | Haris1 | wols_: would the backport have large number of FD support? |
| 10:30.02 | o2T7 | wols_: fine, i try |
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| 10:30.23 | Xim | modprobe raw1394 give me FATAL: Module raw1394 not found. |
| 10:30.26 | wols_ | Haris1, as usual not getting the point at all |
| 10:30.59 | the_sniff | rox: http://rafb.net/p/zPrN4V32.html |
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| 10:31.08 | wols_ | Xim: you just said you got it from svn (I don't understand since linux1394.org doesn't have any raw1394 but you said what you did and you aren't lying, right?) |
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| 10:31.34 | o2T7 | wols_: The same problem, "[mntent]: line 13 in /etc/fstab is bad" "mount: can't find /mnt/smb_emilio/ in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" |
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| 10:32.37 | Xim | wols_: svn://svn.linux1394.org/libraw1394/trunk |
| 10:32.53 | Xim | As described here: http://ffado.org/?q=node/163 |
| 10:32.59 | wols_ | Xim: you said you got svn and built raw1394.ko. did you or didn't you? |
| 10:33.09 | Xim | wols_: Yes |
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| 10:33.29 | wols_ | where is the file raw1394.ko then on your disk? full path please |
| 10:33.52 | Xim | wols_: ah raw1394.ko Not sure what that is. relative newbie |
| 10:34.03 | Xim | I'll look for it |
| 10:34.06 | wols_ | where is the file raw1394.ko then on your disk? |
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| 10:35.12 | rox | the_sniff: do you have any crontabs? $ sudo ls -l /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 10:35.44 | the_sniff | rox: yes and they are running |
| 10:36.11 | the_sniff | is see them in the syslog |
| 10:36.11 | the_sniff | Mar 12 12:35:01 white /USR/SBIN/CRON[21381]: (root) CMD (cd /root/monitor ; ./monitor.php >/dev/null 2>/dev/null) |
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| 10:36.22 | rox | the_sniff: they are running? what is the problem then? |
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| 10:36.59 | Haris1 | Is it possible to get source package from which a package is built (in this case squid3), so I can just rebuild that with all debian modifications, with only one change, an increased limit of FDs ? |
| 10:37.11 | Haris1 | this is for debian packages |
| 10:37.26 | the_sniff | the ones in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ run, the /etc/cron.d/ doesn't |
| 10:37.35 | techouse | hey! i'm trying to compile azureus but i get this error http://pastebin.com/d6100c90e what am I missing? |
| 10:37.35 | Haris1 | aha! |
| 10:37.44 | sep | if you have deb-src in your sources list, you should just apt-get source |
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| 10:37.48 | Haris1 | apt-get -b source packagename |
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| 10:38.29 | Haris1 | damnit |
| 10:38.42 | Haris1 | Am I putting in sid packages over etch when I add deb-src for sid? |
| 10:38.49 | Haris1 | that would cripple this box |
| 10:38.53 | Haris1 | with mixed packages |
| 10:38.56 | Haris1 | won't it? |
| 10:39.19 | Xim | wols_: ok I have /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.ko but not one under the 2.6.22-4-686 tree |
| 10:39.19 | wols_ | deb-src != deb |
| 10:39.23 | Haris1 | Ok |
| 10:39.27 | the_sniff | rox the ones in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ run, the /etc/cron.d/ doesn't |
| 10:39.36 | wols_ | Xim: ergo you have no raw1394.ko at all |
| 10:39.50 | Xim | Not under this kernel version no |
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| 10:39.53 | wols_ | at least not for this kernl |
| 10:40.00 | Xim | wols_: Yep |
| 10:40.14 | wols_ | so why did you say you got it from svn and compiled it? |
| 10:40.21 | Xim | wols_: But I compiled and installed the same way under both kernel bersions |
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| 10:40.36 | fas3r | hello |
| 10:40.42 | Xim | wols_: Because that's what I did |
| 10:40.55 | wols_ | Xim: we estalished you didn't do this just now |
| 10:40.57 | fas3r | by default when we install debian .. ( with the default kernel) where is the .config file .. :s |
| 10:41.10 | wols_ | fas3r: in /boot as with all debian kernels |
| 10:41.11 | Xim | wols_: How, I don't understand? |
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| 10:41.29 | SleepingSloth | hi all - what's the preferred method of installing skype? |
| 10:41.31 | sep | fas3r, /boot/config-kernelversion |
| 10:41.36 | wols_ | Xim: if you had compiled raw1394 there would be a file named raw1394. there isn't. ergo you didn't compile that file. QED |
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| 10:41.59 | SleepingSloth | !skype |
| 10:42.00 | dpkg | skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program is an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties. It is not in debian because we are not allowed to distribute it. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" |
| 10:42.01 | fas3r | ok thank all |
| 10:42.04 | wols_ | SleepingSloth: ask skype.com. it's not in debian in any way whape or form |
| 10:42.24 | SleepingSloth | wols_, no, but i want to install it on debian ;) |
| 10:42.27 | sep | SleepingSloth, i think skype maintains a debian package on their site |
| 10:42.31 | Xim | wols_: Well I think this is why I'm here - I did _exactly_ the same thing in my 2.6.18 kernel and that file does exist (under that kernel) |
| 10:42.34 | wols_ | SleepingSloth: it's not in debian, we don't give a fuck |
| 10:42.59 | wols_ | Xim: re-examine what you did. whatever you did, you did NOT compile raw1394.ko |
| 10:43.07 | wols_ | Xim: cause if you did there were a file |
| 10:43.19 | SleepingSloth | wols_, I don't see any need for that sort of attitude. Thanks sep. |
| 10:43.25 | Xim | wols_: ok, will do now |
| 10:43.46 | o2T7 | Anybody knows how to escape blanks in fstab ?? |
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| 10:44.05 | nevyn | wols_: in which case someone should tell dpkg to forget skype |
| 10:44.29 | wols_ | nevyn: we have a lot of factoids debian itself doesn't support |
| 10:44.41 | wols_ | nevyn: and I pointed him to the right direction: skype.com |
| 10:44.42 | geggam | it is really annoying to learn your CPU decides to save power when u want to use it |
| 10:44.58 | wols_ | geggam: configure your system right and it doesn't :) |
| 10:45.26 | geggam | just installed on this lappy wols... it used to be configured damnit |
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| 10:49.49 | Haris1 | it also downloaded squid3-3.0-STABLE1-2.diff.gz |
| 10:49.55 | Haris1 | Do I need to patch this diff? |
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| 10:51.19 | Haris1 | Secondly, if I run apt-get -b source squid3, it won't give me the chance to increase number of FDs. So I need to run it without -b and manually build it later on |
| 10:51.20 | n0mad | mmm is it posible at xorg conf setup bindkeys ? |
| 10:52.08 | jelly | Haris1: s/manually/using dpkg-buildpackage -b/ |
| 10:52.11 | techouse | yeah...ubuntu uses that, afaik |
| 10:52.28 | techouse | referring to xbindkeys |
| 10:52.55 | n0mad | no |
| 10:53.02 | n0mad | its not enough |
| 10:53.18 | Haris1 | hmm |
| 10:53.30 | n0mad | xbindkys is cool, but it not works while quake3 is on ;B |
| 10:53.35 | techouse | the last time i looked at an ubuntu xorg.conf i'm pretty sure is saw some .xbindkeys entries in ti |
| 10:53.55 | geggam | im still trying to figure out how ubuntu slows a machine down with the exact same settings |
| 10:54.03 | geggam | as debian |
| 10:54.26 | techouse | yeah, you're right |
| 10:54.30 | techouse | it is slower |
| 10:54.31 | wols_ | all the little "helpers" and such use RAM and CPU |
| 10:54.47 | geggam | it is noticeably slower |
| 10:54.49 | n0mad | hmn instaled xbindkeys and i created separate config for it - worked those global binds but not while q3 is runing |
| 10:55.28 | techouse | n0mad: i thought you already figured that unix ain't for gaming |
| 10:55.31 | n0mad | while q3 is running i noticed that keyb layot swithing works well |
| 10:55.42 | Haris1 | I ran -> apt-get -b source squid3 and it says; http://rafb.net/p/hDX7qX47.html |
| 10:55.49 | n0mad | techouse, i cannot live wo q3 :B |
| 10:55.55 | infinity0 | anyone know if there is a way in xfce (or any DE) to make focused windows transparent too? |
| 10:56.03 | n0mad | and wo music :) |
| 10:56.04 | techouse | then install winblows and play :D |
| 10:56.13 | infinity0 | atm xfce only lets me make unfocused windows transparent.. i want to make focused windows slightly transparent as well |
| 10:56.15 | n0mad | sucks those |
| 10:56.22 | antares | i want to install a new machine and i have this message "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (inittramfs)" can you help ? |
| 10:56.23 | Haris1 | redownloading with it |
| 10:56.44 | Haris1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.01 | Haris1 | not playing q3 makes my eyes stay well :D |
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| 10:57.07 | Haris1 | I need to slow down its pace |
| 10:57.13 | Xim | wols_: I have re-carried out the instructions from http://ffado.org/?q=node/163 - I still have no /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686/kernel/drivers/ieee1394 directory - Are you able to glean anything from my make install output: http://pastebin.com/m69c5d519 ? |
| 10:57.17 | the_sniff | oof |
| 10:57.30 | the_sniff | i can't make cron run the cron.d scripts :S |
| 10:57.36 | eth01 | oh noes! |
| 10:57.45 | techouse | geggam: even debian+gnome+compiz-fusion+emerald is faster than the default ubuntu setup |
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| 10:57.56 | Haris1 | same issue |
| 10:58.10 | Haris1 | source version without epoch? |
| 10:58.14 | wols_ | Xim: libraw1394 is no kernel module. it's a library |
| 10:58.20 | wols_ | Xim: you downloaded the wrong thing |
| 10:58.23 | daya | how do I configure gnash as firefox falsh plugin, |
| 10:58.28 | Haris1 | apt-cache search epoch doesn't give anything |
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| 10:59.10 | wols_ | antares: what kernel is this? |
| 10:59.16 | geggam | i had to install ubuntu because a client heard about it and wanted a server on it techouse ... i ran it for 8 months and as soon as the job was finished put debian back on the lappy... it feels like i finally got the mud off my feet |
| 10:59.35 | techouse | lol |
| 11:00.07 | geggam | btw.. i need a job |
| 11:00.09 | geggam | :) |
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| 11:00.42 | Daejeo | what kind of job? |
| 11:00.49 | techouse | the last time i switched from kde to gnome (removed kde and installed gnome) i had some permissions problems with all the apps in system-->administartion so i had to make a clean install :P |
| 11:00.50 | Daejeo | :) |
| 11:01.04 | geggam | linux admin... database development / migration... anything that pays |
| 11:01.13 | Haris1 | etch r3! is out |
| 11:01.31 | techouse | Haris1: has been out for a long time |
| 11:01.41 | techouse | i noticed it last week :D |
| 11:02.09 | Haris1 | anyway to fix that squid3 source build issue on sid ? I can't figure out what I'm missing |
| 11:02.11 | tralala | Haris1, for nearly a month now |
| 11:02.17 | Haris1 | what package+ I'm missing |
| 11:02.30 | wols_ | !tell Haris1 about errors |
| 11:02.46 | Haris1 | wols_: I did a paste on the errors =) |
| 11:02.50 | geggam | !tell geggam about tell |
| 11:02.55 | Haris1 | I ran -> apt-get -b source squid3 and it says; http://rafb.net/p/hDX7qX47.html |
| 11:03.08 | wols_ | Haris1: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: dpatch (>= 2.0.9) cdbs debhelper (>= 5) |
| 11:03.10 | techouse | damn for azureus 3.0.5 i need swt 3.4 and i can only see 3.3 in synaptic sid :P |
| 11:03.14 | Xim | wols_: I'm not sure I downloaded the wrong thing - Noone has suggested I need to install a kernel module - They have said I need libraw1394 >= 1.3.0 (=> SVN) |
| 11:03.29 | Haris1 | aha |
| 11:03.33 | Haris1 | so it wants dpatch |
| 11:03.34 | wols_ | Xim: you are trying to modprobe a kernel module at least |
| 11:03.36 | Haris1 | not epoch |
| 11:03.57 | wols_ | Xim: a kernel module that doesn't exist anymore btw |
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| 11:05.05 | geggam | is it bad when spam telling you that you can make 225 a day wont pay the bills ? |
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| 11:05.52 | Xim | wols_: Ok, I'm a bit out of my depth as you can see, which is why I'm here asking for help. Can I rephrase the question then - I've compiled and installed libraw1394 from svn no probs on 2.6.18 but it doesnt' work using the same method on my backported 2.6.22 kernel |
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| 11:06.13 | wols_ | Xim: there is no raw1395 in newer kernels anymore |
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| 11:07.18 | fas3r | when i execute make menuconfig i don't see color ( i have black background ... not ) .. do you know what's the missing package ... :s |
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| 11:08.30 | Xim | wols_: So the FFADO guys seem to be suggesting doing something that's not possible |
| 11:08.36 | Xim | ? |
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| 11:09.23 | Xim | wols_: Are you saying there has to be raw1394 in the kernel for libraw1394 to work? |
| 11:10.06 | nelf | Xim: what is the name of the kernel package that you installed from backports? |
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| 11:10.38 | Haris1 | wols_: hmm.. I'm confused in configure.in script. I can't figure out where to make the change for file descriptors |
| 11:10.53 | Haris1 | I see a $withval, but can't make sense of where it is being assigned a value |
| 11:11.13 | Xim | nelf: Great time for my screen to go up the spout |
| 11:11.20 | wols_ | why in configure.in? |
| 11:11.43 | Haris1 | A hunch, that that's the supplied pre-configured file with values after running ./configure ? |
| 11:11.52 | wols_ | Xim: raw1394,ko has to bee in the kernel tree when you try to do modprobe raw1394,ko as you did |
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| 11:12.24 | nelf | Xim: looks like it may have changed to ieee1394 the module name. |
| 11:12.44 | Xim | wols_: I didn't do modprobe raw1394.ko I did modprobe raw1394 |
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| 11:13.06 | nelf | Xim: dpkg -L kernel-package | grep 1394 will tell you the name of the module |
| 11:13.09 | Haris1 | apt-get -b source squid3 was I think building it without asking how many FDs I need it to use |
| 11:13.24 | nelf | Xim: replacing 'kernel-package' with the name of your kernel package |
| 11:13.28 | dutchfish | ieee1394 is alreay in 1.6.18-6 |
| 11:13.36 | moulip | hi all |
| 11:13.42 | Xim | nelf: My display's up the spout! |
| 11:13.42 | dutchfish | ieee1394 is alreay in 2.6.18-6 |
| 11:13.48 | Haris1 | how do I change the number of file descriptors? |
| 11:13.58 | Xim | dutchfish: I need know |
| 11:14.03 | Xim | dutchfish: I know |
| 11:14.20 | wols_ | Xim: same thing. for you to modprobe a module there must be filename.ko in existance. it isn't |
| 11:14.21 | Xim | nelf: Just restarting X |
| 11:14.30 | Xim | wols_: ic |
| 11:14.46 | lastnode | cups is acting weird. it recognizes my printer (Epson c45), but when i install it, and print a job, it goes to jobs, and then disappears. is there a checklist i could foloow to make sure everythign is alright? |
| 11:14.50 | Haris1 | checking Default FD_SETSIZE value... 1024 |
| 11:14.50 | Haris1 | checking Maximum number of filedescriptors we can open... 65536 (user-forced) |
| 11:14.51 | Haris1 | :D |
| 11:15.17 | SleepingSloth | y |
| 11:15.25 | Haris1 | ok, so it grabs the value from ulimit -n |
| 11:15.28 | Haris1 | and doesn't ask |
| 11:15.33 | Haris1 | that's ok |
| 11:15.48 | Xim | nelf: That dpkg command gives nothing - But I don't think I've installed a 139 ker |
| 11:15.52 | Xim | nel package |
| 11:16.06 | Xim | ah, sorry |
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| 11:16.27 | Xim | nelf: ic, hang on |
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| 11:16.29 | SleepingSloth | I'm having some problems with gstreamer and media player(s) not playing certain filetypes - I think I have every gstreamer plugin going(!) - but still cant play certin mp3s 'properly' - is there a repos other than contrib and non-free I should be using? |
| 11:17.11 | lastnode | !dmm | SleepingSloth |
| 11:17.34 | SleepingSloth | !dmm |
| 11:17.34 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 11:17.56 | lastnode | that should have pretyt much eveyrthing |
| 11:18.07 | SleepingSloth | thanks lastnode (for some reason I didnt get it from dpkg first time..?!) |
| 11:18.08 | dpkg | SleepingSloth: gern geschehen |
| 11:18.57 | lastnode | SleepingSloth: if those ursla rent in our sources.list you wotn see it when you search apt. so npp, good luck |
| 11:19.25 | Xim | nelf: / wols_ Just in #ffado a minute, brb |
| 11:19.27 | fas3r | see the photo .. i thank you must understand my problem : http://images.hack.free.fr/images/bue1hbhb.png |
| 11:19.37 | fengor | d/window 32 |
| 11:19.38 | nelf | Xim: Basically if libraw1394 doesn't work against the ieee1394 kernel module, and you can't choose to compile the old raw1394.ko with a custom kernel build, then those instructions for ffado to install a kernel greater than 2.6.21 may be impossible to achieve |
| 11:19.39 | SleepingSloth | ursla rent, eh? ;) Dont worry, I got you! |
| 11:19.51 | fas3r | i think i have missing one package .. it's not grave but it's not proper |
| 11:20.01 | nelf | Xim: or 'rather difficult', perhaps |
| 11:20.32 | Haris1 | Can I build squid3 with SMP support? |
| 11:20.56 | lastnode | SleepingSloth: url arent. sorry im on ssh here, lagging. |
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| 11:21.39 | Xim | nelf: Looks like the problem is there's no 1394 kernel module in 2.6.22 and I've not tried getting one in there |
| 11:21.51 | Xim | Have help in #ffado a minute, brb |
| 11:21.52 | DexTer` | how to i get the sound card work on my debian 4 |
| 11:21.53 | Haris1 | although, I don't need it at this time |
| 11:21.53 | DexTer` | ?? |
| 11:21.59 | Haris1 | my cpu is hardly busy |
| 11:22.02 | fas3r | nobody .. :s |
| 11:22.44 | lastnode | DexTer`: what sound card? taht would help us help you |
| 11:23.03 | xdr | is it possible to just cp a whole filesystem to a new disk? |
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| 11:23.15 | cast | sure |
| 11:23.19 | xdr | root that is |
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| 11:23.55 | to_ | hi |
| 11:24.10 | to_ | I'm trying to execute a binary file(chmoded +x) but I've got the following message: "bash: ./request: cannot execute binary file" - the same file is executable on an other server... could someone tell me more about it? |
| 11:24.17 | DexTer` | i don`t know exactly i have a old hp vectra 7i |
| 11:24.31 | DexTer` | and the sound is on-board |
| 11:25.29 | Sero | I'm having a hard time upgrading from 2.2 kernel/sarge to etch. Chatted here about it yesterday, and this is status now: http://pastebin.com/d291255b2 |
| 11:25.38 | badcfe | the first alias is eth0:1 or is it eth0:0 or can one chose and it doesnt matter at all? |
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| 11:25.56 | badcfe | im setting up one (1) alias on my one and only eth |
| 11:26.29 | badcfe | guess i can use eth0:1 anyway ... (hmm i dont have eth:0 tho but it seems to work) |
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| 11:27.04 | fas3r | smp is for bi processor ? |
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| 11:28.36 | Roobarb | fas3r: Symmetric Multi-Process{or,ing}, yes |
| 11:28.44 | fas3r | ;) |
| 11:28.48 | fas3r | thank |
| 11:28.58 | fas3r | i was not sure thank ;) |
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| 11:30.25 | ppalmers | is there by any chance anyone that knows why the EXPERIMENTAL firewire stack is enabled in recent debian kernels? |
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| 11:31.03 | ppalmers | this is a support nightmare for us (people that use firewire for other things than harddisks) |
| 11:31.31 | Haris1 | apt-get -b source squid3 has completed. Do I need to do anything more to install it? |
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| 11:31.43 | Haris1 | I think it installed within the folder I was building it in |
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| 11:35.34 | Haris1 | is there an article on this? Its built but not installed to the right location |
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| 11:36.08 | wakrelmix | debian/etch, trying to install LibTomMath, getting install error when script tries to add the root user to the "wheel" group, which does not exist. do i add wheel to /etc/group or is there another solution? |
| 11:36.18 | wols_ | building is not installing. check .. |
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| 11:36.42 | wols_ | wakrelmix: is this an etch package? |
| 11:36.52 | wakrelmix | no, source |
| 11:37.33 | Haris1 | ok, how do I install it? |
| 11:37.39 | wakrelmix | have to compile LTM from source, then force it to use LTC, which is also built from source |
| 11:38.11 | Haris1 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
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| 11:39.09 | Haris1 | ok, I need to run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b and dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 11:39.30 | cast | not really |
| 11:39.33 | Haris1 | oopsroot -uc -b and dpkg -i file.deb |
| 11:39.36 | cast | didn't apt-get -b build it |
| 11:39.39 | Haris1 | the package has already been built |
| 11:39.46 | lastnode | cups is acting weird. it recognizes my printer (Epson c45), but when i install it, and print a job, it goes to jobs, and then disappears. is there a checklist i could foloow to make sure everythign is alright? |
| 11:40.07 | cast | dpkg-buildpackage builds things. you've already built it. |
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| 11:42.36 | enouf | cast: amazing how it builds ... a ... package! \o/ |
| 11:42.40 | Haris1 | done! |
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| 11:42.43 | Haris1 | squid3 is ready |
| 11:43.06 | cast | enouf: fucking cryptic nix commands eh |
| 11:43.43 | enouf | yeah those whereis, whatis, whois, which are killerZ!!! |
| 11:43.54 | Haris1 | With 65535 file descriptors available |
| 11:43.56 | Haris1 | Finally! |
| 11:43.58 | Haris1 | :D |
| 11:44.28 | cast | wtf is |
| 11:44.43 | enouf | Haris1: were you the guy with the not enough file descriptors for your mysql? proxy? thingamajig? |
| 11:44.53 | Haris1 | enouf: Yes |
| 11:45.01 | Haris1 | enouf: today, I got a message in squid log |
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| 11:45.09 | Haris1 | enouf: saying squid was running out of FDs |
| 11:45.14 | Haris1 | enouf: *hint* *hint* |
| 11:45.21 | enouf | wink |
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| 11:46.17 | enouf | Haris1: too many clients trying to connect at once, slowing others down? but yet, it was still an issue when the load was light? wasn't that the case? |
| 11:46.27 | Haris1 | load is light |
| 11:46.28 | fas3r | it's possible someone give me an example of .config file for pure scsi system ... ? |
| 11:46.31 | Haris1 | connections are too much |
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| 11:48.15 | nelf | So ieee1394 is not even compiled as a module on that backport you are using Xim |
| 11:49.09 | Xim | nelf: It appears not |
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| 11:51.05 | nelf | Xim: Nor is it compiled as a module in most kernels in lenny |
| 11:51.27 | Haris1 | I noticed this in squid3, which is new -> Version 1 of swap file with LFS support detected... |
| 11:51.30 | Haris1 | LFS? |
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| 11:52.28 | loganaden | greetings |
| 11:52.33 | loganaden | I must build a game server |
| 11:52.41 | loganaden | for quake 4 and UT |
| 11:52.48 | loganaden | for 12 players |
| 11:52.56 | loganaden | What would you suggest ? |
| 11:53.15 | wols_ | to use the enter key WAY less often |
| 11:53.28 | loganaden | wols_, sorry :-) |
| 11:53.28 | wols_ | and we suggest debian of course. next question? |
| 11:53.41 | loganaden | wols_, hardware requirements |
| 11:53.55 | wols_ | how are your hardware reqs a debian related question? |
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| 11:54.04 | wols_ | !lfs |
| 11:54.05 | dpkg | lfs is, like, large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about <linux from scratch> |
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| 11:54.57 | aspWork | hi, what is the easiest way to get xcompmgr to run under lenny? |
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| 11:55.41 | Haris1 | ah, right |
| 11:55.41 | loganaden | wols_, well I mean a debian game server requirements similar to a debian LAMP server reqs :-) |
| 11:55.44 | Haris1 | large file |
| 11:56.20 | wols_ | loganaden: ask epic what they want for their software not us |
| 11:56.46 | wols_ | aspWork: considering lenny has compiz, why would it be needed? |
| 11:57.09 | aspWork | i dont want compiz, its just to much, just want some transperancy on my gnome-terms |
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| 11:57.26 | nslater | if i put something in cron.daily what time will it run? |
| 11:57.27 | wols_ | get it from etch maybe? |
| 11:57.29 | loganaden | wols_, ok |
| 11:57.36 | loganaden | wols_, thanks for the tip :-) |
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| 11:57.42 | wols_ | nslater: 6:25am iirc |
| 11:57.51 | nslater | wols_: thaks |
| 11:57.54 | nslater | wols_: thanks :p |
| 11:58.16 | aspWork | wols_, seems that its only available in experimental? |
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| 11:59.20 | wols_ | then do a backport |
| 11:59.45 | aspWork | and how do i do that? |
| 11:59.48 | jelly | nslater: depends to whether you have anacron running or a machine that's 24/7 on |
| 11:59.50 | cast | aspWork: oh, what kind of transparency |
| 11:59.50 | wols_ | if it's posible that is Lenny and Sid have different X versions |
| 11:59.55 | cast | aspWork: proper or fake? |
| 11:59.57 | wols_ | !tell aspWork about simple sid backport |
| 12:00.01 | aspWork | cast, propper |
| 12:00.01 | nslater | jelly: 24/7 |
| 12:00.15 | nslater | jelly: whats anacron? |
| 12:00.31 | jelly | nslater: then what he said (but take a look at /etc/crontab) |
| 12:00.34 | cast | aspWork: the latest e16 version supports proper transparency, even works for videos, using the composite xorg extension. pretty trivial to build for etch |
| 12:01.36 | jelly | nslater: anacron is a service useful on machines that are shut down often, it runs daily/weekly/monthly jobs a few minutes after the machine is switched on (if it needs to) |
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| 12:01.45 | JarekMk | hi |
| 12:01.50 | nslater | jelly: thanks again |
| 12:01.56 | aspWork | cast, dont really wanna go the e way |
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| 12:02.02 | cast | but , e :( |
| 12:02.07 | JarekMk | can I check when I installed my os? |
| 12:02.07 | cast | if you don't like e you're not my friend |
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| 12:02.15 | aspWork | wols_, i guess i add experimental instead of sid then? |
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| 12:03.51 | enouf | JarekMk: might have a log in /var/log/installer or thereabouts |
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| 12:05.51 | enouf | JarekMk: check if you have a /var/log/installer/syslog and look at the timestamp in left column |
| 12:05.51 | JarekMk | enouf: yeah, but whan can I find there? |
| 12:06.04 | wols_ | aspWork: yes |
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| 12:06.34 | enouf | or even just the Date on the file |
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| 12:07.09 | vampirefrog | hi. I'm trying to install compiz. I've done apt-get install compiz and some more packages, but when I run compiz --replace, it says Checking for Xgl: not present. |
| 12:07.12 | vampirefrog | No whitelisted driver found |
| 12:07.16 | vampirefrog | aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity |
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| 12:07.45 | JarekMk | enouf: in this file is text only form one day. but date of create this file might by anserw for my question ;] |
| 12:08.14 | enouf | JarekMk: ls -l /var/log/installer/syslog |
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| 12:08.47 | JarekMk | enouf: -rw------- 1 root root 206888 lut 11 18:20 /var/log/installer/syslog |
| 12:09.10 | enouf | 537236 2006-11-12 15:53 /mnt/p3/var/log/installer/syslog |
| 12:09.11 | JarekMk | lut = fevruary |
| 12:09.17 | JarekMk | february' |
| 12:09.22 | enouf | mine shows the year |
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| 12:10.38 | s2rth | hi |
| 12:10.40 | enouf | stat /var/log/installer/syslog |
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| 12:10.51 | s2rth | may i know gsoc 2008 ideas for debian |
| 12:10.53 | wols_ | enouf: it only shows the year if it's more than a year back usually |
| 12:11.31 | wols_ | s2rth: http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2008 |
| 12:12.03 | JarekMk | enouf: hmmm write me Change: 2008-02-11 18:20:51.000000000 +0100 |
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| 12:12.35 | s2rth | thanks |
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| 12:12.44 | enouf | wols_: hrm, ok, heh, never noticed |
| 12:12.48 | stoffell | hi all, can anyone recommend an IRC server? (for use in private environment) most important is security and documentation.. |
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| 12:14.32 | cast | considered xmpp too? :) |
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| 12:15.45 | stoffell | cast, yeah, but also need a webapp (through awebsite) to connect... and will be using pidgin for the non-web clients (they already use jabber, so) |
| 12:16.14 | enouf | that installer log was just an extra etch rc1 test install from dvd at that time - i don;t even know when this orig was installed, nor where to look O_o .. ooo, /var/log/debian-installer/ .. nivr |
| 12:16.23 | enouf | s/nivr/nice |
| 12:16.28 | stoffell | unless there exists some xmpp web-based that replaces the need of irc in our case |
| 12:16.36 | cast | jabber can do that me thinks |
| 12:16.57 | stoffell | hm, okay, will also look into that |
| 12:17.01 | stoffell | maybe even better |
| 12:17.43 | Haris1 | aha! |
| 12:17.48 | Haris1 | I'm receiving PIX firewall log in syslog |
| 12:17.50 | Haris1 | oops |
| 12:18.24 | JarekMk | enouf: so whay can I do? ;p |
| 12:18.26 | Haris1 | hmm.. how does syslog forwarding work? Does it redirect to a file? |
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| 12:18.51 | enouf | JarekMk: why would you alter your installer log time stamps? |
| 12:19.27 | JarekMk | enouf: I don;t know how... |
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| 12:20.03 | enouf | JarekMk: maybe you didn't |
| 12:21.07 | rati | Hey any one help me. I can connect to PPTP VPN but i cant access website. what could be the problem? |
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| 12:22.09 | cast | oh |
| 12:22.10 | cast | shit |
| 12:22.23 | cast | anyone remmeber exodus, a pretty good jabber client for windows |
| 12:22.37 | cast | Unfortunately, Peter did not live to complete his work on Exodus: he died of complications from cancer on April 26, 2006. |
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| 12:24.38 | pablo | hi, if i am a user and use netstat -anp, does it shows me all tcp stablished connectiones or it may hide some? |
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| 12:25.39 | DexterF | how come there's no more recent ktorrent deb, not even in etch-backports? 2.0.1 is Really Really Old. |
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| 12:26.14 | DexterF | anyone know a good howto how to quick-and-dirty build a deb? a real deb that has dep info and such, not checkinstall |
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| 12:27.56 | wols_ | !nm |
| 12:27.56 | dpkg | i heard nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>. |
| 12:28.35 | wols_ | !tell DexterF about maint-guide |
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| 12:30.40 | DexterF | thanks, wols_ |
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| 12:31.08 | MojoRisin | is there a bug with avant-window-navigator on debian etch? |
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| 12:31.26 | MojoRisin | its reporting that it failed to connect when i run it |
| 12:31.32 | cast | querybts |
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| 12:32.21 | MojoRisin | how? |
| 12:32.28 | pablo | hi, if i am a user and use netstat -anp, does it shows me all tcp stablished connectiones or it may hide some? |
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| 12:35.12 | DustyBin | if you share NFS partitions between a few computers on a home LAN, should i keep the ownership and group of all the files on the NFS as root:root ? |
| 12:35.41 | s2rth | hi |
| 12:35.49 | s2rth | i have an idea for gsoc |
| 12:35.51 | wols_ | DustyBin: what for? |
| 12:36.02 | sadmin | hi all i need to do printing from CLI in debian etch |
| 12:36.12 | hoodlum | samba and a share folder and chmod for appropiate groups will work more effictively DustyBin |
| 12:36.20 | sadmin | i have a network Hp printer |
| 12:36.23 | sadmin | any Idea? |
| 12:36.31 | s2rth | Live CD making tool for debian |
| 12:36.32 | sadmin | i have running cups iwth me |
| 12:36.34 | s2rth | lenny |
| 12:36.41 | DustyBin | wols_: i would like anybody on my LAN to be able to read and write |
| 12:36.46 | wols_ | Tell s2rth about live cd |
| 12:36.50 | wols_ | !tell s2rth about live cd |
| 12:37.04 | wols_ | DustyBin: then making all root:root is the stupidest idea ever |
| 12:37.20 | DustyBin | wols_: this is what my NFS partition looks like in mount |
| 12:37.22 | DustyBin | drwxrwxrwx 17 root root 4096 2008-03-11 14:52 netstore |
| 12:37.29 | DustyBin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:38.13 | DustyBin | maybe i need to create a new group for NFS? |
| 12:38.20 | DustyBin | so it would look like this |
| 12:38.38 | DustyBin | drwxrwx--- root nfsgroup |
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| 12:38.58 | DustyBin | then put all the people in the nfs group who i would like access to the nfs mount |
| 12:39.16 | wols_ | both is bad for what you want to do. let it be owned by your user/group and make sure it has the same UID on your whole LAN |
| 12:40.10 | DustyBin | UID is the key |
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| 12:41.22 | DustyBin | i have a 'dustybin' user on my server where my NFS server lives, and 'dustybin' users on each of my computers on my LAN, i need to make sure the UIDs match up |
| 12:41.51 | sadmin | helo any one works on gnu cash on debain |
| 12:41.51 | sadmin | ? |
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| 12:44.08 | DustyBin | now /mnt/netstore looks like this |
| 12:44.12 | DustyBin | drwxrwx--- 17 dustybin dustybin 4096 2008-03-11 14:52 netstore |
| 12:44.38 | DustyBin | i think i should create a new group called 'nfs' |
| 12:45.05 | gnuFreedom | I have just installed a GNU Debian Apache web server. can anyone please tell me how do I do to allow users to add content using a tool like ftp? does anyone know of a site that explains this? thanks. |
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| 12:45.23 | neonatus | re * |
| 12:45.45 | neonatus | does anyone know about problems with phpwiki on edge? |
| 12:45.49 | neonatus | eh |
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| 12:46.02 | neonatus | etch ofcourse |
| 12:46.22 | neonatus | I get an php warning on the bottom of every page |
| 12:46.45 | neonatus | about being unable to unpack and unserialize function |
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| 12:50.28 | sadmin | hey guys do any one knows a good payroll open source software (web based) |
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| 12:50.45 | DustyBin | drwxrwx--- 17 dustybin nfsgroup 4096 2008-03-11 14:52 netstore |
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| 12:51.13 | DustyBin | if i use the above, i would need to re-create all the users on my LAN on my server then add them to the nfsgroup so they can access the NFS partitions over the network? |
| 12:51.21 | DustyBin | (users with same UID) |
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| 12:53.51 | mwesterburg | Has anyone else had issues with python2.5 on debian 4.0? |
| 12:53.53 | dusty_ | Whenever I run apt-get i get locale errors how do i fix these |
| 12:53.55 | dusty_ | ? |
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| 12:54.46 | alturiak | mwesterburg: "issues"? |
| 12:54.58 | mwesterburg | I can install python2.5 but setting it up as the default python installation seems to be a challenge, and I understand debian for something needs python2.4 |
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| 12:55.16 | mwesterburg | I just looked online after trying myself and saw no solutions and many people with the same problem. :( |
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| 12:55.46 | mwesterburg | basically I would like to be able to use apt-get to install python packages. |
| 12:56.10 | mwesterburg | alturiak: that is really the only issue python2.5 works fine, i just can't make it default |
| 12:56.30 | alturiak | we're using 2.5 on lenny as default, however debian expects 2.4 to be default, so before upgrading, we would relink /usr/bin/python. ugly workaround, though. :-) |
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| 12:57.44 | ninnghizidha | Guys, whats the differenc ebetween xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-amd64 and xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 (without 'vserver')? |
| 12:57.59 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.25 | mwesterburg | alturiak: I did that as well |
| 12:59.40 | mwesterburg | alturiak: but I can't make it default |
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| 13:00.51 | jim_p | weirdest problem ever!!! I opened up the side of my pc case, rebooted and now gnome-session or something fails to start :| |
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| 13:01.01 | mwesterburg | alturiak: are you able to install python packages via apt-get? |
| 13:01.08 | jim_p | !pidgin |
| 13:01.08 | dpkg | i heard pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch from backports.org, ask me about <backports.org> |
| 13:01.14 | alturiak | yeah, sure |
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| 13:01.33 | alturiak | well, by making it the default, I basically mean "relinking /usr/bin/python" :-) |
| 13:02.11 | lastnode | ow can i open a .sql.gz file? tar wont untar it |
| 13:02.24 | Phil4 | gzip -d |
| 13:02.36 | lastnode | got it thanks |
| 13:02.40 | cast | lastnode: did you try stuffit expander |
| 13:02.46 | DustyBin | i think this is the most secure way of sharing NFS: drwxrwx--- 17 nfs nfs 4096 2008-03-11 14:52 netstore |
| 13:03.00 | DustyBin | then add any user you want to access the nfs to the nfs group |
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| 13:04.42 | lastnode | is there an alternate way to view .sql files without mysql? i just want sql -> pretty plain text, with tags stripped, and maybe tables constrcuted visually? |
| 13:05.42 | petemc | sql was text, last time i checked |
| 13:06.50 | lastnode | yeah i mean plac eit in a visual table design, like convert the tags to a phpadminesque table |
| 13:06.57 | lastnode | i guess ill just install phpmyadmin :) |
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| 13:09.47 | frostchipset | Does Debian allow a user to login remotely and upload files ? |
| 13:09.55 | cast | if you want it to |
| 13:10.16 | Phil4 | frostchipset, yes |
| 13:10.31 | frostchipset | How does it work? please? |
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| 13:10.47 | cymin | hey guys |
| 13:11.02 | cymin | need someone helping me setting up a machine |
| 13:11.09 | frostchipset | Phil4: where do I find the procedure? |
| 13:11.11 | fengor | frostchipset: ssh remotemachine |
| 13:11.18 | fengor | also see man ssh and man scp |
| 13:11.28 | cymin | qry pls |
| 13:12.21 | cast | frostchipset: sftp, scp, ftp, http, smb, nfs, rsync, etc.. |
| 13:12.22 | frostchipset | fengor: is that the usual procedure to upload html files? |
| 13:13.40 | cast | frostchipset: what is your great plan |
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| 13:13.49 | Sero | I'm having trouble with broken dependencies in my attempt to upgrade from 2.2 kernel to 2.6 on the path to getting sarge upgraded to etch |
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| 13:14.09 | Sero | I'm trying to follow the instructions provided, but there is trouble anyway |
| 13:14.09 | Sero | http://pastebin.com/d291255b2 |
| 13:14.33 | abrotman | Sero: i tried to find you last night .. you never responded |
| 13:14.42 | wols_ | Sero: 2.2.20 is not sarge |
| 13:14.54 | cast | docs say to use aptitude for upgrades between releases, fwiw |
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| 13:15.02 | abrotman | Sero: what is your CPU? |
| 13:15.11 | Sero | hey! you're back! |
| 13:15.14 | abrotman | cast: that wasn't always the case |
| 13:15.20 | abrotman | Sero: i was back last night .. you weren't :) |
| 13:15.39 | Sero | I fell a sleep ;) |
| 13:15.41 | frostchipset | cast: learning how to use debian and to remotely to upload all kind of files to my server and make them available through the web. |
| 13:15.44 | wols_ | Sero: dpkg -l |grep libc6 |
| 13:15.55 | cast | frostchipset: ahh, just use scp/sftp then |
| 13:16.00 | Sero | pentium II deschutes |
| 13:16.12 | cast | frostchipset: [openssh-server] |
| 13:16.22 | abrotman | Sero: sources pointing at sarge or etch currently? |
| 13:16.26 | cymin | Would there anyone be as kind as helping me to do some advanced install settings for a LAMP |
| 13:16.27 | Sero | sarge |
| 13:16.29 | frostchipset | cast: Thanks a lot. :) |
| 13:16.29 | fengor | frostchipset: yes that is the usual procedure for me to upload fiels to my different web accounts |
| 13:16.37 | cymin | qry pls |
| 13:16.37 | abrotman | Sero: can you install linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 13:16.45 | abrotman | cymin: in the channel |
| 13:17.01 | wols_ | abrotman: he pasted the output of that in his paste |
| 13:17.04 | Sero | can't find the package?.. |
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| 13:17.15 | geggam | http://www.linux.com/feature/62254 frostchipset there are some guis even |
| 13:17.21 | abrotman | wols_: i think that was his dist-upgrade ? |
| 13:17.36 | wols_ | abrotman: realradios:/home/streamnetworks# apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 13:17.40 | abrotman | wols_: i see now |
| 13:17.41 | XoX | anyone know something like squashfs but that also supports ACLs ? |
| 13:17.48 | wols_ | abrotman: and he runs 2.2.20-idepic aka wooy or such |
| 13:18.06 | wols_ | Sero: dpkg -l |grep libc6 |
| 13:18.07 | abrotman | i konw |
| 13:18.13 | abrotman | Sero: you ran apt-get update .. right ? |
| 13:18.30 | Sero | yes |
| 13:18.32 | ampex | why does ext3 have to take so long to format? :) |
| 13:18.35 | cymin | All right, i dont know how to format and partition a server i am setting up right now. I got 2 hds. One at 2560 MB and one at 528 MB. There shall be a slim version of debian and apache running. wanna admin a lil mysql db... |
| 13:18.44 | Sero | iH libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 13:18.44 | Sero | iU libc6-dev 2.3.6.ds1-13et GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Hea |
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| 13:18.55 | cymin | dont know whether reiserfs or xfs us vetter |
| 13:19.07 | cymin | is better |
| 13:19.12 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 13:19.12 | dpkg | methinks filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 13:19.21 | wols_ | cymin: use ext3 |
| 13:19.21 | abrotman | and i have no idea how that was a LAMP question |
| 13:19.22 | geggam | zfs ! |
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| 13:19.43 | frostchipset | fengor: Thanks. I want to do the same. I want to learn how to login remotely to my own debian server and upload files that will be available later through the web. |
| 13:20.00 | ampex | geggam: zfs on linux sucks, and I consider it overhyped regardless of the underlying platform |
| 13:20.01 | fengor | cymin: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 13:20.07 | fengor | read understand learn then ask |
| 13:20.12 | geggam | ampex, ... have u used it yet ? |
| 13:20.18 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:20.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:20.49 | tarzeau | ampex: because hard disks are slow? |
| 13:20.57 | geggam | im 6'3 and weigh 280lbs ... until they make easy to read keyboards on a laptop i will take whatever shortcuts i feel needed... |
| 13:21.17 | geggam | and u will tolerate it |
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| 13:21.21 | geggam | :) |
| 13:21.23 | abrotman | !tell geggam about u |
| 13:21.35 | geggam | !tell abrotman about assrape |
| 13:21.44 | frostchipset | fengor : what does scp stand for? |
| 13:21.47 | wols_ | geggam: don't do this |
| 13:21.48 | geggam | secure copy |
| 13:21.52 | geggam | aiight wols |
| 13:22.23 | fengor | frostchipset: man scp yields the answer tot hat question |
| 13:22.32 | abrotman | Sero: dpkg --forget-old-unavail |
| 13:22.36 | fengor | s/tot hat/to that/ |
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| 13:22.40 | abrotman | Sero: dpkg --clear-avail |
| 13:22.54 | Sero | done |
| 13:23.00 | abrotman | Sero: apt-get -f install ? |
| 13:23.11 | frostchipset | fengor : I got it thanks |
| 13:23.22 | frostchipset | geggam thansk too |
| 13:23.23 | abrotman | Sero: same or better? |
| 13:23.27 | Sero | same |
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| 13:23.53 | abrotman | Sero: aptitude install kernel-image-2.4-686 |
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| 13:24.22 | SleepingSloth | is there a debian alternative to alltray? |
| 13:24.26 | cymin | @abrotman. maybe there'll be more questions emerging... |
| 13:24.29 | Sero | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.38 | Sero | same shit, different wrapping |
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| 13:25.10 | ampex | geggam: I've used it, yes, and it's not what I would consider to be production ready when used under linux (fuse) and doesn't perform incredibly well even on opensolaris compared to xfs which is what I'm used to. It also can't do things that mdraid and lvm can do already. |
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| 13:25.30 | Sero | i read something about getting libc6 downgraded -- could that be worth a try? And if so, where do I find old libc6 packages? |
| 13:25.53 | geggam | considering the age of it ampex i think it will be the file system to use ... and i find it quite useful on BSD |
| 13:26.12 | XoX | anyone know a filesystem with compression that also supports ACLs ? |
| 13:26.13 | geggam | but on linux i do agree it is lacking in comparison to others |
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| 13:27.01 | abrotman | Sero: apt-get uninstall libc6-dev .. does what? |
| 13:27.06 | ampex | geggam: RAID-Z is rather limiting imho, I can't start out with a 4 drive array and expand to a 5 drive array like I can already do with mdadm |
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| 13:27.10 | abrotman | Sero: in case you haven't figured .. your system is in a very bad state :) |
| 13:27.42 | geggam | im a fan of raid1... |
| 13:27.43 | Sero | =)) |
| 13:27.52 | geggam | i tend to not use the other raids |
| 13:27.54 | ampex | geggam: and I personally think that end-to-end checksumming is unnecessary, zfs seems to be a solution looking for a problem |
| 13:28.23 | geggam | never dealt with bitrot ? |
| 13:28.24 | Sero | same broken dependency: libxft1 on remove libc6-dev |
| 13:28.33 | abrotman | Sero: paste it |
| 13:29.05 | Sero | http://pastebin.com/d74918799 |
| 13:29.07 | ampex | geggam: fortunately, no, not on any platform besides windows and even then it was due to a faulty controller card |
| 13:29.25 | drsam | how to start to learn debian ?? |
| 13:29.36 | cast | drsam: read the manuals on debian.org |
| 13:29.41 | abrotman | Sero: aptitude -f install ? |
| 13:29.46 | abrotman | !tell drsam about grounding |
| 13:30.10 | Sero | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 13:30.10 | Sero | E: Unable to correct dependencies, some packages cannot be installed |
| 13:30.46 | geggam | abrotman, how do u know u havent had bitrot ? |
| 13:30.52 | abrotman | !tell geggam about u |
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| 13:31.02 | abrotman | even though it was a misfire |
| 13:31.18 | geggam | ampex, i mean |
| 13:31.27 | abrotman | Sero: how do you feel about forcing depenedencies? |
| 13:31.48 | Sero | no sweat -- anyting to fix it |
| 13:31.57 | Sero | how is it done? |
| 13:32.10 | abrotman | moment... |
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| 13:32.53 | Sero | no crisis breaking the box, but It will take me three days getting it back to doing the job it's currently doing |
| 13:33.42 | abrotman | Sero: change your sources to etch |
| 13:34.09 | abrotman | wait .. that didn't work |
| 13:34.32 | geggam | abrotman, i am telling u this because u have a custom mask and potentially have ops of some fashion but i have ignored u ... if u need to tell me some IRC related please have someone relay that information |
| 13:34.36 | eth01 | !u |
| 13:34.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:34.39 | cast | every now and again i've opened up really old big files [video], and noticed glitches when i'm sure there didn't used to be. could be a lot of things though |
| 13:34.59 | abrotman | did he ignore the bot too? |
| 13:35.09 | eth01 | abrotman: it would seem so, yes ;) |
| 13:35.19 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 13:35.35 | eth01 | you just said it did?! |
| 13:35.46 | geggam | u as well eth01 |
| 13:35.47 | eth01 | s/it/s/he |
| 13:36.00 | eth01 | geggam: it's YOU, not "u". |
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| 13:36.21 | heison | morning... |
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| 13:36.42 | heison | need help with setting / changing duplex in debian |
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| 13:37.02 | dkr | eth01: incorrect. "YOU" would indicate an acronym. :p |
| 13:37.18 | abrotman | heison: ethtool or mii-tool |
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| 13:37.30 | heison | ethtool and mii-tool both returned "operation not supported"; it's debian running as dom0 on Xen 3.1.0 |
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| 13:37.54 | heison | abrotman: are there /proc files that i can change directly? |
| 13:37.59 | eth01 | dkr: regardless, it's 'you' not "u"; y-o-u :P |
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| 13:38.40 | abrotman | heison: not sure about xen stuff |
| 13:38.44 | ampex | geggam: I believe that the licensing issues currently preventing zfs from being implemented into the linux kernel aren't going to go away anytime soon, and corporations already using linux aren't going to run userland filesystems for production purposes. ZFS may work well on BSD and Solaris, but that really doesn't matter for linux shops, where it doesn't make sense to use a filesystem that can't be easily read on all servers. |
| 13:38.55 | cast | eth01: may i propose the s:it:s/he syntax |
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| 13:39.38 | abrotman | ampex: uh .. i don't think he cares.. he drank too much of the koolaid |
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| 13:40.19 | geggam | i would have to agree with u amex ... however it is rare i use a linux for a server in my business and when it is generally i run it on ext2/3 via debian.... linux simply isnt stable enough under the heavy loads |
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| 13:40.54 | cast | my two cents: zfs working in freebsd7.0 is relevent to debian :) |
| 13:41.00 | geggam | sorry cast |
| 13:41.14 | abrotman | cast: isn't |
| 13:41.22 | m_dige | hi everyone. Has anyone been able to build the vmmon module of vmware server with a 2.6.24 kernel ? |
| 13:41.23 | cast | *is* |
| 13:41.31 | abrotman | cast: how is it relevant ? |
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| 13:42.23 | cast | well, there's gnu/kfbsd, or can zfs not make it in there |
| 13:42.26 | tarzeau | m_dige: i think so, but you need to patch stuff, checked the vmware forum? |
| 13:42.32 | tarzeau | cast: try #gnu-kbsd |
| 13:42.46 | cast | tarzeau: it's a debian port :| |
| 13:42.57 | tarzeau | cast: i know and the above channel is it's irc place |
| 13:43.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:43.56 | m_dige | tarzeau: Hi mate. Thanks for your message yesterday. No i haven't checked their forum yet:) |
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| 13:45.08 | tarzeau | m_dige: why not use virtualbox instead? |
| 13:45.47 | m_dige | tarzeau: I've been pleased with vmware so far. Is virtualbox better ? |
| 13:46.05 | tarzeau | m_dige: it's as easy... and it works on 2.6.24.x |
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| 13:47.03 | abrotman | Sero: did you change your sources? |
| 13:47.08 | Sero | yes |
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| 13:47.08 | DexterF | how does one build the debian dir after retrieving source with apt-get? |
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| 13:47.10 | m_dige | tarzeau: okay. I'll have a look at that |
| 13:47.13 | abrotman | Sero: ah .. i missed that |
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| 13:47.29 | Sero | I had a break as well ;) |
| 13:47.31 | abrotman | Sero: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade .. anything better ? |
| 13:47.48 | dkr | !tell DexterF about source |
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| 13:48.44 | Sero | ..i know the result -- have tried it before, but I'll give it a go just for show |
| 13:49.09 | DexterF | dkr: I did apt-get source, but the debian dir doesn't exist after the download |
| 13:49.16 | Sero | 478 packages upgraded, 155 newly installed, 42 to remove and 1 not upgraded..... |
| 13:49.23 | abrotman | this is bad? |
| 13:49.26 | Sero | it will break soon :) |
| 13:49.28 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:49.33 | abrotman | show us the break! |
| 13:49.44 | Sero | yup, it has some downloading to do... |
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| 13:51.04 | DexterF | dkr: nvm, wrong dir |
| 13:51.17 | Enverex | Grr, what's with media automounting being broken lately |
| 13:52.08 | DexterF | there's no "debuild" dpkg told me about. could it be that's dh_buildeb now? |
| 13:52.17 | dkr | I was amused by the fact that a ripping tool opened by default when I inserted an audio cd, rather than an audio playing program. :) |
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| 13:56.46 | zphinx | just noticed sshd is running under the root account during a regular debian etch install, i know this is needed when running on port 22, but is there any inherent dangers in this? |
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| 13:57.26 | Justin | zphinx: yes. |
| 13:57.38 | helo | pkgcache.bin and srcpckcache.bin store the result of an apt-get update? |
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| 13:58.41 | zphinx | Justin: is it changeable from the sshd config? or do i need to do it in another way? |
| 13:58.54 | Justin | zphinx: it's the first thing in the sshd config |
| 13:59.39 | zphinx | Justin: Ah yeah the port, but how about the user it runs from? |
| 13:59.48 | Justin | zphinx: can't change that. change the port |
| 13:59.57 | zphinx | i see that sshd runs from the root user, and spawns a sshd on the account that connects. |
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| 14:00.20 | zphinx | Justin: ah, ok. |
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| 14:01.22 | zphinx | Justin: so the inherent danger with running it on port 22 would be scanners and bruteforcers in other words? |
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| 14:02.00 | Justin | zphinx: yes |
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| 14:04.28 | roue | hola |
| 14:04.35 | dusty_ | Hey guys I am configuring my dns server for two domains, i have the one domain configured successfully zone file is in /etc/bind/named/zones/master/dns.co.uk.db for the second domain do i trerat that as another master zone or a slave ? im a little confused to the secondary one, do i add it like i added the first domain? |
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| 14:05.46 | stew | zphinx: its not possible to run sshd as a non-root user, and sshd is in danger of being poked at by scanners and bruteforcers no matter what port it is on. |
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| 14:06.11 | sep | dusty_, a new domain = a new master zone. a secondary dns server on the same domain name = a slave |
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| 14:06.32 | stew | zphinx: if you want to protect yourself from bruteforce attacks, disable password authentication or at the very least make sure that all the passwords are strong passwords, and consider installing something like fail2ban |
| 14:07.16 | Justin | stew: actually there is pretty much zero danger from being poked at from scanners and brute forcers when you change the port ssh runs on |
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| 14:07.49 | zphinx | stew: thanks |
| 14:07.52 | Sero | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d4eaa0cd3 |
| 14:07.55 | Justin | stew: and things like no password authentication and fail2ban do not help to prevent against exploits against ssh itself |
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| 14:08.47 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 14:09.13 | stew | Justin: security thorugh obscurity is not something to rely on. at all. you are correct, fail2ban doesn't protect against exploits against ssh, which are very rare, but as i said, against bruteforce attacks, which are common |
| 14:09.42 | stew | derPUPE_: please turn that off in here |
| 14:09.46 | abrotman | Sero: here's my problem .. your system is in the middle of a dist-upgrade .. and now requires a 2.4 kernel .. i'm concerned that if we force the 2.4 kernel .. your system won't boot |
| 14:09.50 | Justin | stew: changing the port ssh runs on does far more to pretect against brute force attacks than fail2ban |
| 14:10.00 | stew | Justin: you are incorrect |
| 14:10.10 | abrotman | Sero: if we could get a newer kernel on there, the problem would all go away |
| 14:10.19 | stew | Justin: bruteforce attacks work identically no matter which port ssh is running on |
| 14:10.21 | Justin | stew: you could however, change the port AND run fail2ban, but you would find that once you change the port, the number of brute force attacks drops to 0 |
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| 14:10.33 | Justin | stew: except that once you change the port, there won't be any more scans |
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| 14:10.46 | stew | Justin: that is incorrect |
| 14:10.53 | abrotman | security by obscurity fails? :) |
| 14:10.57 | m_dige | tarzeau: I forgot to tell you. I found out that your can compile your own kernel-header when compiling a kernel: make-kpgh kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 14:10.57 | stew | indeed |
| 14:11.07 | Sero | How can we get a new kernel in there then? |
| 14:11.25 | Justin | stew: no, it is not correct. it is the reality of the situation |
| 14:11.30 | abrotman | Sero: that's why i was trying to have you do the kernel-image-2.4-686 before ... |
| 14:11.31 | m_dige | tarzeau: Just so you know if you'll ever need it |
| 14:11.31 | Sero | I'm having trouble getting the initrd package in place too |
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| 14:11.52 | Ace2016 | How do i run a virtual scaled 1920x1200 on a 1440x900 display? |
| 14:11.52 | stew | Justin: please google for "security through obscurity" for lots of discussion about how it is not a method of security to be relied upon |
| 14:11.53 | abrotman | unless someone here has a better idea .. we're going to have to force them onto the system |
| 14:12.11 | abrotman | Sero: ^^ |
| 14:12.13 | Justin | stew: I am fully aware of what "security through obscurity" means |
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| 14:12.20 | Sero | let's give it a go! |
| 14:12.27 | abrotman | Sero: i'm scared .. hold my hand! |
| 14:12.30 | htraki | hi guys |
| 14:12.33 | stew | Justin: then i'm suprised you would push it as a reliable means of security |
| 14:12.33 | Sero | Cool thing I'm not on site |
| 14:12.43 | abrotman | Sero: uh .. this is really not a good idea then |
| 14:12.45 | Sero | It will probably go down hard |
| 14:13.07 | abrotman | Sero: can you get there easily? is it a critical machine? |
| 14:13.24 | Justin | stew: because chaning the port ssh runs on is the single mose reliable and effective means to lowering the risk of scans |
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| 14:13.31 | Sero | I have five more servers that can take off the load -- so it's no problem if it goes down |
| 14:13.39 | stew | Justin: that is 100% false, please stop giving out misinformation |
| 14:13.39 | Sero | however, I don't think I can get to it today |
| 14:13.40 | abrotman | Sero: are they identical machines? |
| 14:13.44 | Sero | no |
| 14:13.49 | Justin | stew: it is not 100% false. it is called reality |
| 14:13.51 | beardy | It is not false. |
| 14:13.52 | abrotman | Sero: the rest are etch already ? |
| 14:13.56 | Sero | yes |
| 14:13.58 | Justin | stew: do you know what a darknet is? |
| 14:13.58 | htraki | Does anyone can tell me,how Can I edit a manpage,because I would like to translate them |
| 14:13.58 | Sero | years ago |
| 14:14.03 | abrotman | Sero: okay then .. |
| 14:14.06 | Sero | hehe |
| 14:14.10 | abrotman | Sero: hold on to your hat! |
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| 14:14.21 | Sero | wig's in place! |
| 14:14.22 | Cripps | stew, yesterday you gave me the directions for the iwl3945 firmware, and I copied and pasted those directions somewhere, but they went away ... what were the directions again? (you're right, the ipw3945 stuff is very flakey) |
| 14:14.23 | abrotman | Sero: make a temp folder somewhere |
| 14:14.30 | Sero | anywehere? |
| 14:14.47 | abrotman | Sero: /tmp probably isn't a great idea .. but yeah .. aynwhere .. you're going to store packages there temporarily |
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| 14:14.57 | stew | Justin: yes, why |
| 14:15.01 | Sero | ok, abrotman in home directory will do |
| 14:15.15 | abrotman | Sero: wget http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.27-i386/kernel-image-2.4.27-4-686_2.4.27-10sarge7_i386.deb |
| 14:15.17 | tarzeau | m_dige: i know that :) |
| 14:15.21 | Justin | stew: I have one with about say, 10,000 ips |
| 14:15.47 | abrotman | Sero: wget http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/initrd-tools/initrd-tools_0.1.81.1_i386.deb |
| 14:16.11 | stew | Cripps: yes, it was firmware-iwl3945, which is in non-free |
| 14:16.12 | abrotman | Sero: wget http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/modutils/modutils_2.4.26-1.2_i386.deb |
| 14:16.15 | zphinx | hrm |
| 14:16.18 | zphinx | fail2ban seems nice |
| 14:16.28 | eth01 | when used properly * |
| 14:16.33 | zphinx | even the regular install rules seems fine for use. |
| 14:16.37 | cast | disable passwd auth ftw |
| 14:16.41 | stew | zphinx: yes, it works well, and it is easy to extend to other services |
| 14:16.45 | Cripps | stew, so just "apt-get install firmware-iwl3945; modprobe iwl3945" ? |
| 14:16.51 | Justin | stew: as you could imagine, there are a LOT of scans against port 22. do you know how many scans there are for say, port 227? next to none |
| 14:16.56 | eth01 | Cripps: yup |
| 14:17.03 | stew | Justin: what is your point? |
| 14:17.07 | Cripps | kk ... I'll try that. |
| 14:17.09 | stew | Cripps: yes |
| 14:17.12 | Justin | zphinx: go ahead and use fail2ban, but change the port first. you'll find that fail2ban never picks up anything |
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| 14:17.33 | eth01 | just change your ssh port to something else other than than :22 |
| 14:17.34 | Justin | stew: like I said before, chaning the port ssh runs on is the single most effective method for lowering brute force attacks |
| 14:17.41 | eth01 | that'll cut those scans by at least 60% |
| 14:17.41 | stew | Justin: stop |
| 14:17.43 | Justin | and I spelled changing wrong again :) |
| 14:17.58 | Cripps | stew, that's in lenny non-free or sid non-free ? |
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| 14:18.09 | Magnetophon | hello, how do i check which cflags where used during a build. I saw a line come by in the build-proces that mentioned a different cflags than i entered. |
| 14:18.11 | zphinx | Justin: the port for sshd? its changed already. |
| 14:18.12 | liable | mc shits me with its bash_history pollution.. |
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| 14:18.17 | Justin | stew: no. I have the experience and the data to back this up. you just keep whining that I'm promiting "security through obscurity" |
| 14:18.24 | liable | its a well known error |
| 14:18.30 | cast | i find patching ssh to run over udp instead of tcp greatly cuts down hacking attempts |
| 14:18.32 | eth01 | justin: stop trolling. |
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| 14:18.40 | beardy | He isn't. |
| 14:18.44 | eth01 | cast: thats just unethical :p |
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| 14:19.32 | beardy | Others are though. |
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| 14:19.56 | stew | Justin: you are spreading misinformation. the idea that changing the ssh port as being a 100% effective means of protection, is ludicrous, and I certainly have data to back that up. |
| 14:20.12 | beardy | What's with the "100%" this and that? |
| 14:20.19 | Justin | stew: I at no point said it was 100% |
| 14:20.30 | Justin | it is just more effective than fail2ban is. |
| 14:20.32 | Cripps | stew, apt-cache search iwl gives one result: firmware-iwlwifi - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless (using: lenny main contrib non-free) andf modprobe iwlwifi gives an error (no such module), same with "modprobe iwl3945" |
| 14:20.36 | SlayerXP | " http://pdwiki.pdtest.private/mediawiki/index.php/TechnicalContacts" |
| 14:20.40 | SlayerXP | eerrm no |
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| 14:20.44 | stew | Cripps: sorry that is the package you need |
| 14:20.50 | SlayerXP | "you'll find that fail2ban never picks up anything" |
| 14:20.54 | SlayerXP | better |
| 14:21.02 | Justin | SlayerXP: after changing the port, yes |
| 14:21.19 | Cripps | stew, so I should be using the ipw3945-source package to build the module, and modprobe that, and it'll use the iwlwifi firmware then? to build the |
| 14:21.20 | Justin | the latest rounds of ssh brute force attempts are distributed and self tuning to account for things like fail2ban |
| 14:21.24 | SlayerXP | so changing the port, you claim, means 100% of bogus connect attempts will go away |
| 14:21.35 | SlayerXP | which is patently bollocks |
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| 14:21.43 | Justin | SlayerXP: except that is is true |
| 14:21.55 | SlayerXP | justin: it's not for me. |
| 14:22.05 | Enverex | SlayerXP, Actually I was getting like 20 attempts a minute on my server, I changed the port and now over the last few years I've had zero |
| 14:22.05 | angryuser | hey what is default pop3&imap ports? 25&110 ? |
| 14:22.12 | Justin | SlayerXP: what port are you running ssh on? |
| 14:22.14 | Cripps | *to build the module |
| 14:22.15 | cast | angryuser: /etc/services |
| 14:22.17 | SlayerXP | angrey: grep foo /etc/services |
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| 14:22.24 | SlayerXP | justin: does it matter? |
| 14:22.30 | Justin | SlayerXP: somewhat, yes |
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| 14:22.36 | Enverex | SlayerXP, Pick a less obvious one |
| 14:22.38 | stew | Justin: anyone who is interested in finding an open ssh port will find one, easily, even if it is not running on port 22 |
| 14:22.46 | stew | !find iwl3945.ko |
| 14:23.01 | Enverex | stew, yes, but it stops all these random constant ones |
| 14:23.01 | Coweater | most people aren't that interested in finding one, they just scan every host they can |
| 14:23.03 | Justin | stew: except that we are talking about automated brute force attacks, and not directed scans. automated brute force attacks only check port 22 |
| 14:23.05 | SlayerXP | Enverex: I don't care about ssh connection attempts enough |
| 14:23.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iwl3945.ko' (3 of 4): (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-486/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64. |
| 14:23.13 | SlayerXP | justin: bollocks once more. |
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| 14:23.26 | Sero | abrotman: what now? |
| 14:23.29 | Cripps | stew, then I should be running kernel 2.6.24 ... |
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| 14:23.33 | Cripps | scheiss :P |
| 14:23.33 | abrotman | Sero: moment |
| 14:23.38 | SlayerXP | i know of at least one tool that does banner checking to try to find ssh servers on non-standard ports. |
| 14:23.49 | stew | Cripps: ^^^ it is built into modern kernels, i'm not sure when it started appearing, but you may not need to build it |
| 14:23.49 | Justin | SlayerXP: do you have any data to back up this "bolloks"? |
| 14:23.51 | Cripps | well, I can get that using a "simple sid backport" |
| 14:23.58 | SlayerXP | justin: google nessus |
| 14:24.05 | Justin | SlayerXP: you are joking right? |
| 14:24.13 | Cripps | stew, I'm running 2.6.22 ... and it's not in there, so I should upgrade. |
| 14:24.23 | SlayerXP | justin: if I were joking I would have said "a horse walks into a bar" |
| 14:24.29 | dusty__ | when adding another domain to a dns server does it become the master or slave? |
| 14:24.34 | Cripps | stew, that's okay though, I've been looking for an excuse to use a kernel >2.6.23 anyways ;) |
| 14:24.37 | stew | Cripps: either upgrade or 'aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i iwl3945' |
| 14:24.52 | eth01 | SlayerXP: do you use port :22 ? |
| 14:25.17 | SlayerXP | eth01: does it matter? |
| 14:25.18 | Cripps | stew: m-a a-i iwl3945: iwl3945, what is iwl3945? |
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| 14:25.28 | Cripps | stew, novel idea, wish it worked ... but ... |
| 14:25.34 | eth01 | SlayerXP: ;0 |
| 14:25.37 | eth01 | ;), even |
| 14:25.39 | Cripps | wait ... I should be able to grab the iwl3945 source from sid. |
| 14:26.02 | stew | Cripps: yes, you could install iwl3945-source, then try "m-a a-i iwl3945" again |
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| 14:26.45 | abrotman | Sero: in that directory .. dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 14:27.19 | Ace2016 | i think i messed up my schedular :( its not using both cores correctly, i'm scrolling in opera and mplayer is slowing down, it should just put mplayer onto the second core right? |
| 14:27.35 | plb | I install 2.6.24 on sid but when reboot it says "no filesystem could mount root" and than I get a kernel panic |
| 14:27.53 | plb | VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:27.57 | plb | or something along those lines |
| 14:28.16 | plb | it's weird cause it was working earlier |
| 14:28.18 | plb | =\ |
| 14:28.36 | Sero | abrotman: getting warning about lilo.conf/initrd, just ignore for now? |
| 14:29.03 | Ace2016 | plb: how did you compile it? |
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| 14:29.11 | abrotman | Sero: paste |
| 14:29.20 | plb | Ace2016: didn't...it's debian kernel from repos |
| 14:29.35 | Ace2016 | make menuconfig, then make-kpkg --initrd --revision=686 kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image and then just install the debs |
| 14:29.38 | Ace2016 | oh thats strange |
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| 14:29.55 | Sero | http://pastebin.com/d684c78b3 |
| 14:30.01 | Cripps | stew, weird ... even with sid deb and deb-src in my /etc/apt/sources.conf the only iwl package is firmware-iwlwifi ... so I guess I'll install the "linux-image-2.6.24-1-686" from sid and then stick to lenmny for the rest ... unless you think sid *should* be stable enough for "everyday" use ;) |
| 14:30.19 | plb | Ace2016: yeah it working earlier than I installed mythtv and rebooted and it's all wacky |
| 14:30.23 | abrotman | Sero: we'll just check your lilo.conf before you reboot |
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| 14:30.34 | Sero | ok, continue then :D |
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| 14:31.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:31.37 | Sero | http://pastebin.com/d6958118a |
| 14:31.41 | Sero | dependency problems |
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| 14:33.22 | stew | Cripps: yes |
| 14:33.32 | Blokk | I'm trying to save some energy, but I cannot scale my CPU for some reason |
| 14:33.59 | cyzie | block , have you apt-get for some cpudyn packages? |
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| 14:34.07 | Blokk | I belive that I have done it about a year ago. |
| 14:34.08 | Cripps | to build modules for the 2.6.24-3-686 kernel (for any module imaginible) I should have: linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686, linux-tree-2.6.24-1-686 and (of course) build-essential ... correct? |
| 14:34.10 | Blokk | yeah |
| 14:34.25 | cyzie | Blokk, what cpu? |
| 14:34.34 | Blokk | c2d e6600 |
| 14:34.37 | stew | Cripps: yes |
| 14:34.49 | Blokk | acpi -V -> No support for device type: thermal |
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| 14:35.05 | cyzie | Blokk, get the powernowd package |
| 14:35.07 | Cripps | stew, sorry, was that a "yes you should install the new kernel aND STICK TO LENNY," OR A "YES, SID SHOULD BE STABLE ENOUGH FOR YOUR USE?" |
| 14:35.08 | cyzie | then reboot |
| 14:35.13 | Cripps | sorry about caps :/ |
| 14:35.15 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 14:35.56 | Blokk | I've tried both powernowd and cpudyn without success |
| 14:36.08 | cyzie | Blokk, uname -a |
| 14:36.29 | Trevelyan` | Hi, I'm trying to build lenny's gnutls13 for etch, however the sources no longer contain build rules for libgnutls13-dev, which provides libgnutls-dev, since lenny now has gnutls26. Does any know a way to reinstate -dev for 13? |
| 14:36.39 | dimas__ | algum que fale BR ai pode me da uma ajuda? |
| 14:36.46 | Blokk | Linux 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 14:37:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:36.49 | Cripps | ... either way, I have everything I need to build the modules ... I'll address that question again later ... for now, I'm off to reboot into the new kernel and get my wireless up. Be back in a few. |
| 14:36.55 | dimas__ | algum que fale BR ai pode me da uma ajuda? |
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| 14:37.02 | cyzie | Blokk, reboot your pc now |
| 14:37.26 | Blokk | cyzie: heh, why? |
| 14:37.39 | fedya | is there a way to have putty store sessions with credentials? |
| 14:37.39 | cyzie | cause the scalling wont work without reboot |
| 14:37.48 | fas3r | it's possible to copy files on my linux machin to windows machin without samba ( without shared folders ) .. ( it's possible with scp on windows ) or the better is i install tftp server |
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| 14:38.03 | Blokk | cyzie: oh, but I've rebooted when I tried powernowd and cpydyn |
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| 14:38.22 | cyzie | ok now, how do you set the cpu speed? |
| 14:38.44 | Blokk | I only get not supported |
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| 14:38.59 | dimas__ | My linux not the bot to him and starts and is not only in BEGIN: Running /scripts/initpremount Someone help me? |
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| 14:39.01 | Blokk | why can't I see the temperature by ACPI? |
| 14:39.02 | cyzie | paste me the error not suported |
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| 14:39.55 | dimas__ | My linux not the bot to him and starts and is not only in BEGIN: Running /scripts/initpremount Someone help me? |
| 14:39.57 | theatro | !br |
| 14:39.58 | dpkg | Este canal Ă© apenas em inglĂªs. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:40.14 | Blokk | cpufreq-info returns: no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU on both cores |
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| 14:40.48 | fas3r_ | sorry for disconnect |
| 14:40.51 | fas3r_ | sorry for disconnect |
| 14:41.04 | Blokk | rather "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU" on both cores |
| 14:41.19 | grand_grunt | Hi ! Does somebody knows how to config alsa to set the default soundcard? All drivers seems to be correct, but audio players seem to try to read sound through the webcam micro, detected as a soundcard..? |
| 14:41.22 | cyzie | Blokk, what distro are you using ? |
| 14:41.29 | Ace2016 | Anyone here know how to get more than 50% cpu usage?? |
| 14:41.30 | Blokk | Debian |
| 14:41.39 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt alsaconf ? |
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| 14:41.59 | cyzie | Blokk, it works for me. |
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| 14:42.55 | Blokk | acpi -V returns? |
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| 14:43.30 | Blokk | same kernel? What motherboard? |
| 14:43.53 | cyzie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.00 | cyzie | it is a gigabyte board |
| 14:44.04 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: alsaconf detects both sound devices. I choose the right one, it configurates with no issues and exits normally |
| 14:44.15 | cyzie | on hp laptop, runnig debian lenny, just run fine |
| 14:44.23 | cyzie | with the video cam , sd card reader all fine |
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| 14:45.42 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt asoundconf set-default-card card |
| 14:45.46 | Sadistt0 | try this |
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| 14:46.02 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: thx, I'll try |
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| 14:46.48 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 14:46.49 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: asoundconf list only detects the webcam |
| 14:47.12 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 14:47.48 | cyzie | Blokk, is your mobo bios allow dynamic scalling ? |
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| 14:48.22 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: cat /proc/asound/cards only lists the webcam |
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| 14:48.36 | fas3r_ | it's possible with the command cp to know where is it .. ( for progress copy ( in percent for example)) |
| 14:48.39 | Sadistt0 | what card on the mb ? |
| 14:48.50 | Sadistt0 | model |
| 14:49.11 | Blokk | cyzie: I want to atleast be able to get the temperature |
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| 14:49.27 | cyzie | yes, but hav eyou check yoru mobo ? |
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| 14:49.42 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 14:49.48 | Blokk | The thing is that I've gotten memory readings before |
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| 14:49.55 | Blokk | cpu temp :P |
| 14:50.00 | jmullan | hello, has anyone here done a debian setup from scratch over ssh -- for instance if the remote server had been booted from cd? |
| 14:50.03 | mandel | Hi, I use testing and have messed up the wine installation. I removed all *wine* packages, changed testing to unstable in the sources.list, reloaded the package database and installed the new wine version. Now wine isn't working any more. I removed wine again and switched back to testing, but wine is still not working. ANy ideas? |
| 14:50.22 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt modprobe snd-via82xx |
| 14:50.48 | Sadistt0 | and see what happens |
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| 14:51.19 | Justin | mandel: did you try cleaning out your ~/.wine* directory(ies)? |
| 14:51.29 | mandel | Justin, yes |
| 14:51.53 | Sero | still in, abrotman? |
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| 14:52.21 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: done, snd-via82xx appears in lsmod. |
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| 14:52.37 | nelf | When I compile a kernel "the debian way", does the original .config match the config for the equivalent package as found in /boot/config-X-Y-Z, or do I have to start out by copying it there? |
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| 14:52.44 | stoned | WHAT THE FUCK! |
| 14:52.52 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt now see dmesg and /proc/asound/cards |
| 14:53.15 | Cripps | stew, well, the iwl3945 is now loading, yay 2.6.24-1-686 ... but now my wpa_supplicant is messed ... I'm using "wpa_supplicant -i eth2 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supploicant.conf -D wext -B" (eth2 is the name of the wireless interface), but I'm getting errors pasted here: http://www.pastebin.ca/939704 |
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| 14:54.03 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: issues in dmesg and nothing in /proc/asound/cards |
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| 14:54.11 | \amethyst | nelf: from the make-kpkg sources: if there is no I<.config> file in the kernel source directory, a default configuration is provided similar to the one used to create the B<Debian> boot-floppies. |
| 14:54.12 | Nyle | I' getting sick of this shit |
| 14:54.13 | Sadistt0 | hm |
| 14:54.18 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: cannot find the slot for index 0 (range 0-1), error: -16 |
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| 14:54.28 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: VIA 82xx Audio: probe of 0000:00:11.5 failed with error -12 |
| 14:54.30 | nelf | \amethyst: Thank you very much |
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| 14:55.42 | mandel | next try, reboot. :) |
| 14:55.52 | Nyle | who me? |
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| 14:56.05 | Nyle | its this piece of shit fucking isp dsl/router thing |
| 14:56.10 | Nyle | man its fucked up |
| 14:56.26 | Nyle | my birthday today, I just wanted to get up and come online to check something |
| 14:56.31 | Nyle | and look at the shit I have fucking go through |
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| 14:56.44 | Nyle | 20 diconnects in 5 minutes |
| 14:56.46 | Nyle | FUCK! |
| 14:57.12 | JoshH | Nyle, what hardware is it |
| 14:57.20 | liable | !comfort Nyle |
| 14:57.20 | dpkg | There, there, Nyle. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 14:59.37 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: think it could be a hardware issue? |
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| 15:00.59 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt paste the whole dmesg to pastebin.org |
| 15:00.59 | aspWork | apart from xcompmgr, are there any other lightweight composite managers for debian/gnome? i just want transparant gnome-terminals and nothing more? |
| 15:01.00 | Nyle | JoshH, piece of shit verizon dsl |
| 15:01.10 | baloo | Heh, I had Verizon DSL once. |
| 15:01.16 | Nyle | I don't pay for it |
| 15:01.24 | Nyle | I don't know who does :) |
| 15:01.35 | Nyle | I just crack whatever wep is on my signal range |
| 15:01.41 | baloo | I hated Verizon so much I quit my job, got rid of their DSL, and took a job with Excite@Home, the cable internet provider. |
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| 15:02.07 | Nyle | i worked for coxx communications once |
| 15:02.10 | Nyle | cox* |
| 15:02.20 | Nyle | best cable isp in the south |
| 15:02.36 | JoshH | qwest is giving people shitty 2wire dsl modems now, it's practically impossible to make them bridge or route a subnet |
| 15:02.39 | Nyle | prompt service, thery either hire knowledgable techs or teach em well |
| 15:02.54 | Nyle | and high quality net/cable service |
| 15:03.05 | Nyle | this may sound weird, but I love cox |
| 15:03.06 | baloo | JoshH: It doesn't need to, AFAIAC. That's what a linksys with dd-wrt is for. |
| 15:03.08 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: http://pastebin.org/23415 |
| 15:03.11 | JoshH | and from what i hear, the netopia/motorola gear they will use with adsl2 has the same problems |
| 15:03.22 | Nyle | I have a linksys wrt54g v2 and a v6 |
| 15:03.31 | Nyle | both have ddwrt on it, and man its freakin awesome |
| 15:03.53 | Nyle | I've tried many opensource firmwres for it, but the best one was dd |
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| 15:04.40 | Nyle | ime that is |
| 15:04.58 | JoshH | baloo, that's fine if you want a private wan ip on your linksys |
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| 15:05.08 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: these are only the latest line, do you want all dmesg? |
| 15:05.25 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt yep |
| 15:06.39 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: http://pastebin.org/23417 |
| 15:07.04 | gkiagia | hello. I have a core file generated from the stripped version of klauncher (from kde4). is it possible to get a backtrace somehow using the debug version from /usr/lib/debug/... ? |
| 15:07.38 | abrotman | Sero: sorry .. was helping co-worker |
| 15:08.06 | abrotman | Sero: still there? |
| 15:08.10 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt u have problems with irq i think |
| 15:08.44 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt try to add pci=routeirq to kernel |
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| 15:09.20 | baloo | Joshh: You know ddwrt can do bridging, right? |
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| 15:09.23 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: thx.. I'll try |
| 15:10.16 | Nyle | baloo, yes and it does it well |
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| 15:11.37 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: I have added pci=routeirq to kernel line in menu.lst, is that the right way? |
| 15:11.56 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt yep, now reboot and see what happens |
| 15:12.10 | grand_grunt | Thx. I reboot. |
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| 15:13.42 | JoshH | baloo: my point was that if you had a 2wire dsl modem, you can't bridge it to your dd-wrt device, unless the planets are perfectly aligned and it happens to work for you |
| 15:14.53 | baloo | Oh. |
| 15:15.12 | Cripps | has anyone here had trouble using wpa_supplicant after switching from ipw3945 to iwl3945? I'm having issues with it: wpa_supplicant keeps telling me that the "Association Request to the driver failed," I'm using the wext driver for wpa_supplicant. |
| 15:15.34 | baloo | I guess I find the whole situation a little odd given I've got an Actiontec one from Qwest just last week. |
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| 15:16.17 | JoshH | ya, qwest only gives you the 2wire if you request "the wireless modem" |
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| 15:16.19 | JoshH | and bridging works fine with an actiontec |
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| 15:16.54 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: back. Same problem, but dmesg has changed |
| 15:17.06 | yang | Is here anyone that uses rsync regulary? |
| 15:17.32 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt show me |
| 15:17.34 | dusty__ | Hey guys I am getting wierd stuff happening when I try to install stuff via apt-get: http://rafb.net/p/Yz1LT480.html anyone know wtf is going on there? |
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| 15:19.08 | AlexC_ | hey all, |
| 15:19.09 | Sero | abrotman ;) yes! |
| 15:19.20 | cast | dusty__: does aptitude work :) |
| 15:19.24 | abrotman | Sero: wget http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cramfs/cramfsprogs_1.1-6_i386.deb |
| 15:19.27 | t00t | how can i see my total bandwith usage? |
| 15:19.39 | Sadistt0 | nload |
| 15:19.41 | Sero | done |
| 15:19.45 | AlexC_ | when doing `modprobe ip_tables` I get the following error: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-53.1.4.el5.028stab053.4/modules.dep: No such file or directory - How come that file does not exist, and how can I get it? |
| 15:19.55 | grand_grunt | http://pastebin.org/23418 I've just booted, logged on and modprobe the driver |
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| 15:20.04 | abrotman | Sero: wget http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dash/dash_0.5.2-5_i386.deb |
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| 15:20.15 | Sero | done |
| 15:20.18 | abrotman | AlexC_: that's not debian |
| 15:20.23 | abrotman | Sero: try the dpkg -i *.deb again |
| 15:20.30 | AlexC_ | abrotman, hum? |
| 15:20.38 | abrotman | AlexC_: that's not a debian kernel |
| 15:21.00 | AlexC_ | O_o |
| 15:21.11 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt Disabling IRQ #19 |
| 15:21.32 | dusty__ | cast, http://rafb.net/p/W6CP0N78.html |
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| 15:21.44 | Sero | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d7ddc3f2d |
| 15:21.50 | AlexC_ | abrotman, it very much is Debian 4.0 - unless for some reason it's picking up what ever the host VPS node is running |
| 15:21.57 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt replace pci=routeirq with irqpoll |
| 15:22.04 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt and try again |
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| 15:24.58 | AlexC_ | abrotman, any thoughts? |
| 15:25.37 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: done. dmesg has again changed |
| 15:25.45 | abrotman | AlexC_: cat /proc/verseion |
| 15:25.46 | abrotman | version |
| 15:26.00 | dusty__ | ANyone? |
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| 15:26.13 | AlexC_ | abrotman, Linux version 2.6.18-53.1.4.el5.028stab053.4 (root@rhel5-64-build) (gcc version 4.1.1 20070105 (Red Hat 4.1.1-52)) #1 SMP Fri Jan 18 12:29:44 MSK 2008 Red Hat? O_o |
| 15:26.14 | t00t | how can i see my total bandwith usage? up/down in bytes (not packages x/) |
| 15:26.24 | abrotman | AlexC_: it's a VPS? |
| 15:26.26 | Sadistt0 | t00t nload |
| 15:26.28 | AlexC_ | abrotman, yes |
| 15:26.39 | abrotman | AlexC_: that's a RH kernel .. nota debian kernel .. |
| 15:26.45 | AlexC_ | abrotman, what the hell |
| 15:26.47 | abrotman | Sero: dpkg -i --force-depends *.deb |
| 15:26.51 | abrotman | AlexC_: it's your system! |
| 15:27.14 | AlexC_ | abrotman, could there be no way it is someone picking up the host node, or the way they have configured it? |
| 15:27.34 | t00t | Sadistt0: thx |
| 15:27.49 | abrotman | AlexC_: i don't use VPS .. unsure |
| 15:28.25 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 15:28.41 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: http://pastebin.org/23420 the new dmesg |
| 15:28.50 | Sero | still complaining about missing libc6 but it is installing... |
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| 15:29.05 | AlexC_ | abrotman, hum ... ok, I'll contact the host and poke them |
| 15:29.30 | AlexC_ | thanks anyway, |
| 15:29.48 | Sero | Do you want me to create a link from /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-4-686 to initrd.img?[Yn] |
| 15:29.52 | Sero | Yes, right? |
| 15:29.58 | dusty__ | Hey guys what is happening in here: http://rafb.net/p/OUThsW38.html anyone know how to fix this? |
| 15:30.16 | Sadistt0 | grand_grunt hm, see if is available any bios update for your motherboard.... |
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| 15:31.01 | grand_grunt | Sadistt0: lol, ok |
| 15:31.28 | cast | dusty__: i sense a pattern |
| 15:31.35 | Sero | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d2458e23 |
| 15:31.50 | Sero | Install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf? [Yes] |
| 15:31.53 | Sero | Yes? |
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| 15:32.22 | abrotman | Sero: yes |
| 15:32.29 | Sero | ok, it's done |
| 15:32.39 | abrotman | Sero: there's a super good chance this system will never boot again .. just so you know |
| 15:32.44 | Sero | hehe |
| 15:32.58 | abrotman | Sero: dpkg -l libc6 .. paste it |
| 15:33.13 | Sero | iH libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
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| 15:33.31 | abrotman | Sero: at this point .. you get to pray .. very very hard |
| 15:33.40 | Sero | i am aware of that |
| 15:33.46 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 15:33.48 | Sero | hehe |
| 15:33.49 | abrotman | paste your /etc/lilo.conf |
| 15:34.45 | Sero | http://pastebin.com/d6684d00b |
| 15:34.48 | abrotman | Sero: just so you're aware .. this all happened because your kernel on sarge was actually a woody kernel .. and very much out of date |
| 15:34.51 | cast | dusty__: i presume you've exhausted some resource [memory?] |
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| 15:35.13 | abrotman | Sero: you're going to have to add an initrd line |
| 15:35.18 | Sero | ok |
| 15:35.33 | Sero | where and what |
| 15:35.43 | gan | i compiled a kernel , the aufs compild for this not loading perfectly with kernel why? |
| 15:36.01 | dusty__ | cast, damn how do i fix it |
| 15:36.25 | abrotman | Sero: so after "image=/vmlinuz" .. add a line that says initrd=/initrd.img |
| 15:36.34 | abrotman | Sero: what does `ls -l /initrd.img` point to ? |
| 15:36.37 | dusty__ | cast, http://rafb.net/p/UWRbwb90.html |
| 15:36.40 | abrotman | Sero: and /vmlinuz |
| 15:37.16 | Sero | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Mar 12 16:30 /initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-4-686 |
| 15:37.22 | cast | dusty__: well, just for shits and giggles, i'd try turning on swap, or freeing up some memory |
| 15:37.28 | Sero | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Mar 12 16:30 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-4-686 |
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| 15:38.13 | cast | i'm a bit confused why there would be 254mb in 'buffers/cache' used of 256mb total ram |
| 15:38.16 | dusty__ | cast, im not sure what is usuing that member |
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| 15:38.24 | dusty__ | its a vm too |
| 15:38.35 | cast | vserver? |
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| 15:39.50 | Sero | so abrotman, what do you think? Anything else we should do before we reboot? |
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| 15:40.21 | gan | i compiled a kernel , the aufs compild for this not loading perfectly with kernel why? |
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| 15:41.12 | dusty__ | cast, well im not sure 1) whats taking up the memory and how do i turn swap opn? |
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| 15:41.29 | dusty__ | Reformatting swapon(8), please wait... |
| 15:41.29 | dusty__ | grotty: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory |
| 15:41.50 | cast | if theres nothing stopping you i'd reboot personally |
| 15:42.14 | geggam | swapon -a |
| 15:42.20 | geggam | ew |
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| 15:42.41 | geggam | can u just make a swapfile and mount that dusty__ ? |
| 15:42.53 | cast | you, dude, *you* |
| 15:43.00 | abrotman | Sero: rerun lilo |
| 15:43.16 | geggam | feel free to ignore me like i ignore those who dont like how i type |
| 15:43.19 | geggam | :) |
| 15:43.38 | Sero | ok, added linux added linuxOLD |
| 15:43.42 | dusty__ | how |
| 15:43.53 | cast | i haf 2 drw t - sumwer c, n tis der |
| 15:44.25 | geggam | dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024k count=500 |
| 15:44.33 | geggam | mkswap swapfile |
| 15:44.37 | geggam | swapon swafile |
| 15:44.38 | geggam | er |
| 15:44.44 | geggam | swapon swapfile |
| 15:44.57 | dusty__ | two secs |
| 15:45.13 | geggam | check that bs and count |
| 15:45.21 | geggam | i always jack that up |
| 15:45.38 | dusty__ | what ya mean about bs and count? |
| 15:45.43 | geggam | bitsize and count |
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| 15:45.49 | geggam | that specifies the size of the file |
| 15:46.24 | cast | block :P |
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| 15:46.41 | Coke | hi ... anyone knows why realtek RTL8185L driver isn't included in the mainline kernel ? |
| 15:47.14 | dusty__ | stoned-hacker:~# swapon swapfile |
| 15:47.14 | dusty__ | swapon: swapfile: Operation not permitted |
| 15:48.21 | Coke | realtek seems to provide a driver and I don't see any binary blob for it |
| 15:48.37 | geggam | did u do the mkswap swapfile dusty__ |
| 15:48.55 | dusty__ | yes |
| 15:49.02 | geggam | it worked for me |
| 15:49.04 | dusty__ | dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024k count=500 |
| 15:49.04 | geggam | are u root ? |
| 15:49.07 | dusty__ | Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 524283 kB |
| 15:49.07 | dusty__ | no label, UUID=5d2516c6-8404-4bae-bbfa-b8694b6003a1 |
| 15:49.08 | dusty__ | yes |
| 15:49.11 | dusty__ | its a VM |
| 15:49.17 | geggam | heh |
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| 15:49.31 | geggam | u have space outside the vm ? |
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| 15:49.39 | dusty__ | i dont own the host |
| 15:49.43 | dusty__ | i have been given the guest |
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| 15:50.23 | geggam | and u have been limited in memory |
| 15:50.28 | geggam | ? |
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| 15:52.25 | Sero | abrotman: anything else before we kill the machine for good? |
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| 15:53.47 | helo | crap... i think systemimager in etch is broken (and ages old) |
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| 15:56.07 | infinity0 | i'm running finch on gnome-terminal... when i swtcih to another workspace and then switch back, the computer hangs for a bit before displaying the terminal with finch running... |
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| 15:56.15 | infinity0 | whereas it's a lot quicker if i'm running pidgin |
| 15:56.17 | infinity0 | why is this? |
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| 15:57.05 | helo | all the pxe 'default' file does is boot from local media... |
| 15:57.09 | abrotman | Sero: you reran lilo ? |
| 15:57.13 | Sero | yes |
| 15:57.20 | Sero | added linux and linux odl |
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| 15:57.21 | Sero | ld |
| 15:57.21 | abrotman | Sero: visit your priest and reboot |
| 15:57.37 | abrotman | Sero: i have serious doubts about this thing rebooting .. |
| 15:58.03 | gan | i compiled a kernel , the aufs compild for this not loading perfectly with kernel why? |
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| 15:58.13 | abrotman | !bless sero |
| 15:58.14 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child sero, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 15:58.17 | tiny | Hi! I playing with init.d scripts. If I'm not mistaken then if I write "# Required-stop: daemon" this would mean that daemon needs to stop before my service correct? |
| 15:58.24 | tiny | I'm* |
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| 16:01.03 | stew | tiny: yes, however, those comments are currently informational only |
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| 16:02.21 | tiny | stew: meaning this doesn't work yet? So I need to manually edit S and K symlinks? |
| 16:03.48 | stew | tiny: there are tools like update-rc.d to help you edit the symlinks |
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| 16:04.59 | tiny | stew: err, I know, but it doesn't do the job properly. I still have service1 stopping before service2 and it shouldn't happen correct? |
| 16:05.44 | Sero | abrotman: it seems dead ;) the funny thing is that I have to bring a screen and a keyboard to the attic down town were the server is placed before I can fix the box :( ... |
| 16:06.02 | Sero | thanx anyway for so much help! ;) |
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| 16:06.24 | tiny | service1 has "# Required-stop: sevice2" field and it's still stopping before service2. |
| 16:07.24 | abrotman | Sero: sorry .. tried |
| 16:07.25 | stew | tiny: those comments are currently informational only. they are not being read by anyone but you |
| 16:07.55 | tiny | stew: OK |
| 16:08.05 | tiny | err ok |
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| 16:10.26 | Nyle | uhhh |
| 16:10.37 | Nyle | ok |
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| 16:11.15 | sChaaa | FREE TIBET !!! |
| 16:11.34 | Nyle | !urdu |
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| 16:11.49 | Nyle | hm, need to find urdu input stuff on linux |
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| 16:12.02 | Nyle | level 1 localization underway hopefully shortly |
| 16:12.16 | abrotman | Sero: gotta tell you i feel bad though |
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| 16:12.41 | Nyle | I wonder if it will be easier on windows |
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| 16:13.17 | Nyle | or maybe like a pakistan linux net urdu live cd |
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| 16:13.58 | Mantaar | Nyle: I don't know about Nasta'liq, but Devnagari is a lot better supported on Linux than on Windows. |
| 16:14.13 | Nyle | I see |
| 16:14.13 | Mantaar | So I guess you should be able tomake it. |
| 16:14.30 | Nyle | thanks man, I did not know that I'll check them out |
| 16:15.14 | gan | i compiled a kernel , the aufs compild for this not loading perfectly with kernel why? |
| 16:15.19 | Mantaar | hm. I think there's a xkbmap for Nasta'liq. There are about five for Devnagari. Wait, i'll go check. |
| 16:15.30 | Nyle | Mantaar, dev. is hindi |
| 16:15.41 | Mantaar | yes, I know ;-) |
| 16:15.52 | Nyle | urdu is based on the arabic/farsi script not sanskrit |
| 16:16.06 | Nyle | but do you mean dev also does urdu/ |
| 16:16.07 | Nyle | ? |
| 16:16.33 | Mantaar | ... they're essentially the same languages though, and require similar combining chars stuff. Arabic _is_ supported directly by X's native input method. |
| 16:16.49 | Mantaar | ... so I guess Nasta'liq should be, too, it ain't that different. |
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| 16:17.24 | Nyle | wait |
| 16:17.30 | Nyle | what are essentially the same languages? |
| 16:17.53 | Mantaar | Urdu and Hindi. |
| 16:18.01 | eeccho | en_US and en_GB |
| 16:18.18 | Nyle | Mantaar, sorry to have to be the one to tell you buddy. they are not |
| 16:18.38 | Nyle | Mantaar, spoken its similar yes, but not in written |
| 16:19.03 | Nyle | Mantaar, and even the spoken language is close but still very different, vocabulary, grammar rules, etc |
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| 16:20.29 | Mantaar | Nyle: Yes, I know, I actually know a bit of Hindi - and find easier to understand Urdu. Anyways, that's a whole flamewar that can last quite a while and this probably not the right place for it. Hold on I'm still looking for the name of that xkbmap. |
| 16:20.49 | Nyle | Mantaar, its not a flamewar, these are simple facts |
| 16:21.02 | Nyle | I'm not making any of this up you know... |
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| 16:21.30 | Enverex | Well, my system being set to en_US does piss me off a lot, always telling me things are spelt wrong when they aren't... (applications are even worse in Windows, it's always "English (US)" never "English ENGLISH" lol |
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| 16:23.25 | Nyle | Enverex, change it? |
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| 16:23.47 | Enverex | Nyle, Well yeah, in Linux I do, it's just some apps I don't notice have their own built in locale system |
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| 16:24.42 | Nyle | hmm |
| 16:25.24 | derdui_ | Hi does anbbody of you know linux-dvt files? it s just a general question of mine |
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| 16:30.00 | Mantaar | Nyle: well, as soon as someone states something as a fact and someone else doubts that this thing really is a fact, this might become a flamewar, and support channels are not suited for flamewars. Here is a document on how yo can enable Urdu input in Linux easily: http://www.few.vu.nl/~swjaffry/rpr/EARMAA.pdf |
| 16:30.24 | Mantaar | just change the loctions: /etc/X11 is /usr/share/X11 in Debian. |
| 16:30.37 | Mantaar | Apart from that it seems trivial. |
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| 16:31.53 | Mantaar | but there _are_ Urdu fonts in apt: ttf-afees and ttf-paktype. |
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| 16:32.11 | Nyle | cool |
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| 16:32.21 | Nyle | thank you |
| 16:32.36 | Mantaar | you're welcome ;-) |
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| 16:33.05 | ks | hello all |
| 16:33.37 | Nyle | Mantaar, you can doubt what I stated as much as you want, its not going to change them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urdu <-- pretty accurate imo |
| 16:34.08 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know if it's possible for me to redirect everything that goes into /dev/stdout to a console window? |
| 16:34.09 | Nyle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urdu_and_Hindi |
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| 16:34.52 | kakashi_ | is there any wireless monitoring tool for gnome - which can graphically depict the signal strength? |
| 16:34.59 | dkr | CharminTheMoose: echo stuff to stdout >/dev/console ? |
| 16:35.19 | dkr | CharminTheMoose: or there is probably a sensible way to do it with syslog |
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| 16:37.40 | Mantaar | Nyle: btw. Gnome-control center mentions an "arabic" keyboard layout for Pakistan, AFAICS that's not exactly adequate. BTW, to cite your source "The two [..] are nearly identical in grammar and share a basic common vocabulary." |
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| 16:38.02 | Mantaar | In linguistics, we have a saying: A language is a dialect with an army. |
| 16:38.31 | Nyle | well my friend |
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| 16:39.43 | Nyle | I'm indian born in pakistan, I've studied urdu/hindi/arabic/farsi/pushtu and few others since I was a small child. To me there are obvious differences in sentence structure, grammar, etc. |
| 16:40.09 | DexterF | how do I check from etch which version of a package is in lenny? |
| 16:40.13 | Nyle | actually |
| 16:40.16 | Mantaar | of course there are. There are a lot of differences between Aussie English and Oxford English as well... |
| 16:40.17 | Nyle | I would like to discuss this with you |
| 16:40.23 | Nyle | would you care to join #linguistics |
| 16:40.23 | rox | DexterF: pdo |
| 16:40.30 | Mantaar | I'll do so ;-) |
| 16:40.34 | Nyle | thank you very much |
| 16:40.36 | rox | DexterF: packages.debian.org |
| 16:40.50 | DexterF | rox: thanks. can't be done with apt? |
| 16:41.35 | rox | DexterF: change sources to lenny, apt-get update, apt-cache show <package> then change sources back |
| 16:41.46 | rox | DexterF: but i think there is another way even |
| 16:41.48 | dkr | DexterF: only if you added the lenny repos to sources.list and set spt/preferences to prefer etch repo |
| 16:41.59 | stew | DexterF: "rmadison packagename" |
| 16:42.05 | DexterF | dkr: yes, that sounds good |
| 16:42.14 | stew | DexterF: there is no need to edit sources.list |
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| 16:42.35 | rox | DexterF: make sure you don't install ANYTHING while your sources are pointing to lenny |
| 16:42.44 | dkr | ok, not 'only'. just another way to do it :) |
| 16:42.57 | DexterF | stew: there's no such command and package |
| 16:43.10 | stew | DexterF: in devscripts |
| 16:43.59 | DexterF | stew: awesome |
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| 16:44.23 | infinity0 | er people, i had gnome installed, then installed xfce, then uninstalled it, now gnome-open doesn't work |
| 16:44.29 | infinity0 | with folders, that is |
| 16:44.32 | infinity0 | how do i fix it? |
| 16:44.43 | cast | stew: cool @ devscripts |
| 16:45.18 | tobias | is there a way to send mail from a system (like logchecks) without having an MTA installed? |
| 16:45.36 | tobias | right now i have postfix setup as a smart host to relay mail through another smtp server |
| 16:45.41 | tobias | but even that seems like overkill |
| 16:45.47 | dkr | tobias: you can use aperl script to speak SMTP directly to a remote server |
| 16:45.56 | jwl | tobias: tried ssmtp? |
| 16:46.25 | tobias | jwl: i may have..a long time ago..that may be exactly what i'm looking for |
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| 16:47.10 | tobias | jwl: very cool, i forgot what it was called. thanks. |
| 16:47.46 | alex12 | server a) as root - ive run: ssh-keygen -t dsa, i then copy the the pub key generated on server a) to server b) , on server b) i then copy this pub key into the authorized file in the root/.ssh/ directory |
| 16:47.46 | asmarin | hi |
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| 16:48.00 | alex12 | and it doenst work, can anyone talk me through this? |
| 16:48.00 | asmarin | im using parallels on my macbook pro and install on it debian lenny |
| 16:48.12 | asmarin | which kernel is best, 686 or vserver-686? |
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| 16:48.24 | asmarin | vserver is for xen or generic virtualization? |
| 16:48.34 | alex12 | asmarin, yes it is |
| 16:48.36 | alex12 | use 686 |
| 16:48.46 | fedya | i have a directory that gets backed up into where there is a folder (a new one is created every week), and in each folder there's 3-6k files of backup from that week, getting written about every 2 minutes, i need to get all these files into a db (they're csv) |
| 16:48.51 | fedya | my first thought is to write a script that will traverse the tree and output everything to one file and import the resulting file into the db, but considering a new file is created every two minutes, is there a way i could process only files that haven't been previously processed? |
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| 16:49.10 | asmarin | and how i can improve kernel for parallels virtualization, what patch need to compile kernel? |
| 16:49.16 | asmarin | alex12 |
| 16:49.20 | alex12 | asmarin, google it |
| 16:49.24 | SexyKen | Anyone know why dumpe2fs would display partial information, but then stall? |
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| 16:50.24 | Nyle | well |
| 16:50.32 | Nyle | thats was bs |
| 16:50.35 | malochigh | howto i establish a bluetooth connection? I have bluetooth modules loaded and working binarys of hcitool ... Im going crazy. |
| 16:50.41 | eeccho | SexyKen, is it 'partial' or 'partition'? |
| 16:50.43 | cast | asmarin: wouldn't that be a question fo the parallels authors |
| 16:50.55 | Mantaar | very intriguing behaviour at #linguistics... |
| 16:51.03 | cast | asmarin: vserver is OS level virtualization |
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| 16:51.11 | ks | anyone has good experience installin r3 on clovertown ? |
| 16:51.38 | SexyKen | eeccho: It's partial, as in not a large amount of information. |
| 16:51.48 | SexyKen | Not the entireity of the information |
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| 16:53.08 | malochigh | should i be able to l2ping myself on bluetooth, it says error |
| 16:54.08 | malochigh | my pairings fail. |
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| 16:56.47 | madclicker | hi, the "mail" command by default is using "/usr/sbin/sendmail" to send out mail. Is there a way to configure "mail" to sent using SMTP server? |
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| 16:58.38 | eeccho | madclicker, sendmail already delivers via some smtp server |
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| 17:01.59 | alex12 | does anyone know how to setup sshd logging or can point me to a guide for this? i need to figure out why my rsa keys are not working |
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| 17:02.10 | madclicker | eeccho, local server, but what if I want to configure a differemt SMTP server |
| 17:02.10 | madclicker | ? |
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| 17:02.26 | \amethyst | alex12: man sshd_config, look for LogLevel |
| 17:02.27 | dkr | alex12: modify logging verbosity level in /etc/ssh/sshd-config |
| 17:02.30 | eeccho | madclicker, which mta you use? |
| 17:02.38 | \amethyst | alex12: logs go to /var/log/auth.log usually |
| 17:02.38 | alex12 | dkr, have done, now where does she log? |
| 17:02.39 | madclicker | eeccho, postfix |
| 17:02.55 | \amethyst | alex12: though that is determined by your syslogd.conf |
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| 17:03.12 | eeccho | madclicker, then you need to modify (or add, if it's not there) relay_host parameter in main.cf |
| 17:03.24 | \amethyst | alex12: and by the SyslogFacility in sshd_config (default is AUTH) |
| 17:03.39 | dkr | alex12: /var/log/debug.log maybe, I know normal ssh stuff goes to auth.log |
| 17:04.09 | eeccho | madclicker, i mean, it's /etc/postfix/main.cf , and parameter must be in a form of relay_host=ip_or_address |
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| 17:05.19 | quirim | hey, how would I check where my users are connecting from? |
| 17:05.28 | quirim | on my debian box that is |
| 17:05.39 | eeccho | quirim, /usr/bin/who |
| 17:05.49 | quirim | thank you :) |
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| 17:06.35 | doomster | greetings! |
| 17:06.53 | eeccho | quirim, that regards users which are already logged in, in other cases, you need to examine /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:07.09 | quirim | ok thanks, I will check that out to |
| 17:07.32 | madclicker | eeccho, the issue that I am having is, postfix sendmail sends the mail as a standalone application, not using SMTP server, let it be local. In this case any application that is sending mail VIA sendmail are not going through the proper filtration method and that brakes some things |
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| 17:08.29 | madclicker | eeccho, relay_host=127.0.0.1 <--would that make sence? |
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| 17:08.45 | eeccho | madclicker, that would make a mail-loop, most probably |
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| 17:09.49 | eeccho | madclicker, describe your task, maybe there's a better solution |
| 17:09.50 | madclicker | eeccho, so that is the delema, would be nice to have a configuration to "mail" command to use "SMTP" instead of sendmail |
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| 17:12.02 | madclicker | eeccho, postfix and amavis are setup to filter mail. The mail gets filtered proper if programs like "denyhost", "horde" etc work fine as they can be configure to use "SMTP" to relay mail, but some other like "logcheck" are not configurable to do that. |
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| 17:12.10 | dusty__ | hrm apparently debian 4.0 mysql has a bug |
| 17:12.28 | dto | hello. i gave a debian machine (older pentium 4) to a friend who doesn't have internet in her room at home, and I want to install packages. is there a simple way to burn the debian repo onto DVD? |
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| 17:12.41 | dto | i.e. and make the system pull packages from there |
| 17:12.42 | limpio | When i do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, i choose 1024x768, but i don't know what refresh rate i'm using. Is there an app that i can install to tell me that? Using icewm and ratpoison |
| 17:12.51 | limpio | using debian lenny |
| 17:12.52 | eeccho | madclicker, so you need to filter outbound messages? |
| 17:13.08 | eeccho | limpio, why lenny? |
| 17:13.10 | stew | limpio: xdpyinfo would tell you |
| 17:13.40 | limpio | thanks stew |
| 17:13.55 | madclicker | eeccho, I need to not filter, amavis will not filter "MYNETS" if its sent from a sendmail command |
| 17:14.02 | stew | limpio: or xrandr might be easier |
| 17:14.15 | limpio | eeccho, more uptodate apps |
| 17:14.23 | cast | dto: download the debian dvd isos [there's 3] |
| 17:14.26 | madclicker | eeccho, hence mail sent through sendmail gets tagged as SPAM |
| 17:14.29 | limpio | stew, as root: xrandr? |
| 17:14.51 | stew | limpio: as the user that started X |
| 17:14.52 | eeccho | madclicker, then it's the problem of amavis, right? |
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| 17:14.55 | stew | limpio: or logged into X |
| 17:15.37 | limpio | stew, when i try to install it, there is no candidate |
| 17:16.10 | dto | cast: how do I make her system (which had been configured to use the network mirrors) use the cd's instead? |
| 17:16.14 | stew | limpio: its in x11-xserver-utils |
| 17:16.27 | madclicker | eeccho, hmm, thats where my expertise stops. I figured there is a $VARIABLE that could be configured to trigger /usr/bin/mail to use SMTP instead of /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 17:16.36 | cast | dto: apt-cdrom |
| 17:16.40 | dto | ah ok |
| 17:16.48 | dto | is that a program? |
| 17:16.52 | cast | if i wasn't polite i'd be asking "is she hot?" |
| 17:16.52 | limpio | stew, it says i got that package and is the most recent version |
| 17:16.58 | cast | yes, it is |
| 17:16.59 | dto | cool |
| 17:17.08 | stew | !find bin/xrandr lenny |
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| 17:17.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xrandr' (1): (/usr/bin/xrandr) in x11/x11-xserver-utils,x11/xbase-clients. |
| 17:17.32 | stew | limpio: then you should have /usr/bin/xrandr |
| 17:17.37 | eeccho | madclicker, why don't you just disable amavis for localnet? |
| 17:17.45 | limpio | stew: command not found |
| 17:17.50 | eeccho | madclicker, (if it's possible, at all) |
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| 17:18.14 | cast | night |
| 17:18.16 | eeccho | madclicker, or, at least, turn off it's mailchecker |
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| 17:19.08 | dusty__ | Hey guys I am having an issue with default mysql install on debian etc (apt-get install mysql-client mysql-server) it keeps uses up all available memory (256mb) and causes my box to mess up any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 17:19.25 | stew | limpio: what versions of x11-xserver-utils and xbase-clients do you have installed |
| 17:19.31 | eeccho | dusty__, add swap |
| 17:20.10 | stew | dusty__: look at example configs in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/examples |
| 17:20.23 | Sadistt0 | dusty__: look at cache memory |
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| 17:20.37 | cast | don't run mysql :D |
| 17:20.46 | Sadistt0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.46 | Sadistt0 | Mem: 2074536 1779264 295272 0 150480 1161800 |
| 17:20.56 | Sadistt0 | it means 1gb+ cached |
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| 17:21.19 | limpio | stew, 7.3+2 and 1:7.2.ds2-2 respectively |
| 17:21.26 | dusty__ | so what do i need to do, i dont think i can add swap im in a vm |
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| 17:22.07 | madclicker | eeccho, it does have configuration for local net, but only if the connection is made trough SMTP, not sendmail |
| 17:22.16 | stew | limpio: then some of the files must have been removed somehow. i'd recommend running "aptitude reinstall x11-xserver-utils xbase-clients" |
| 17:23.05 | madclicker | eeccho, /usr/sbin/sendmail doesnt go through the local servers SMTP connection, it's a direct out I belive |
| 17:23.16 | limpio | stew, ok |
| 17:23.46 | Sadistt0 | dusty__: 256mb is enouth to run mysql & some daemons..... |
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| 17:24.17 | dusty__ | so why is this going wrong then? |
| 17:24.21 | dusty__ | why is mysql using up all free space |
| 17:24.56 | Maulkin | Your database is too big? |
| 17:25.06 | dusty__ | there is nothing in there |
| 17:25.20 | Sadistt0 | how much mem in cache ? |
| 17:25.45 | limpio | stew, now it works, thank you very much! |
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| 17:26.18 | dusty__ | http://rafb.net/p/UnImrd93.html |
| 17:26.23 | dusty__ | thats without mysql running |
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| 17:27.47 | Jos | Ah that sucks, your using some openvm-like vps |
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| 17:27.53 | Sadistt0 | 256megs of ram and now swap at all ? |
| 17:27.55 | Sadistt0 | rofl |
| 17:28.03 | Jos | but eh .. I still see 115MB free |
| 17:28.26 | Maulkin | !am I swapping |
| 17:28.26 | dpkg | run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping |
| 17:29.14 | Maulkin | Acrually... you don't seem to have any swap space at all! |
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| 17:29.39 | Jos | And you're not caching, that's really a performance killer |
| 17:30.21 | Jos | that way, they can oversell all of your unused memory :> |
| 17:30.22 | dusty__ | its all o's |
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| 17:31.20 | helo | what is the right way to edit menu.lst to add a boot parameter? |
| 17:31.32 | Sadistt0 | edit ? :) |
| 17:31.33 | Maulkin | helo: use an editor. |
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| 17:31.54 | helo | every time i update my kernel, the args i append disappear |
| 17:32.11 | stew | if 'so' or 'si' is not always zero when you don't have swap space, you are really in trouble :) |
| 17:32.15 | Sadistt0 | If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z |
| 17:32.25 | Sadistt0 | where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted |
| 17:32.37 | Sadistt0 | kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro |
| 17:32.39 | Sadistt0 | & etc |
| 17:32.53 | Sadistt0 | less menu.lst |
| 17:32.55 | Sadistt0 | :) |
| 17:33.06 | helo | thanks :) |
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| 17:34.13 | telexicon | Anyone have any links or information on setting up a debian DomU under centos Dom0 in xen? |
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| 17:34.48 | Justin | telexicon: if you can get dpkg for centos you can just use xen-tools |
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| 17:35.29 | telexicon | Ok, I was able to get the base image built, i just wasnt able to get it to boot, it seems to crash whenever i try to start it |
| 17:35.39 | Justin | telexicon: crash how? |
| 17:36.02 | helo | snow crash, of course |
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| 17:36.42 | telexicon | oh i see, kernel panic.. switchroot mount failed |
| 17:36.57 | Justin | telexicon: ah, something must be wrong with the initrd or the kernel command line |
| 17:37.17 | telexicon | so which kernel should i use? debian's or centos's? |
| 17:37.34 | Justin | telexicon: either would work, if you use debians kernel you need to use pygrub |
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| 17:37.58 | Justin | telexicon: well, unless you copy the kernel+initrd outside of the vm image |
| 17:38.08 | telexicon | Justin, oh ok, oh |
| 17:38.12 | telexicon | yea i have them copied out |
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| 17:39.11 | Justin | telexicon: you installed linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 and linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-686? |
| 17:40.03 | telexicon | Justin, i actually built the image on an ubuntu system with xen-tools --dist etch |
| 17:40.06 | Justin | telexicon: i'd doublecheck your disk config and your kernel command line, make sure the device names match up, and pastebin'ing the log won't help |
| 17:40.12 | SleepingSloth | is there a sensible alternative to beagle? |
| 17:40.17 | telexicon | SleepingSloth, tracker |
| 17:40.27 | Justin | telexicon: ah, it should be in pretty good shape then |
| 17:40.41 | telexicon | Justin, yea ill just recheck the kernel parameters |
| 17:40.55 | SleepingSloth | telexicon, thankyou. beagle battered 35GB of a 80GB drive, which I don't consider to be 'reasonable' usage.... |
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| 17:42.16 | SleepingSloth | telexicon, how do i go about using tracker? |
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| 17:43.13 | telexicon | SleepingSloth, install it and run it in the gnome session? i use it on ubuntu, it was in the default install |
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| 17:44.07 | helo | sleepingSloth: it battered? |
| 17:44.20 | SleepingSloth | telexicon, hm - just dont see it in the repositories, wondered if i had to enable it somewhere else. |
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| 17:44.31 | SleepingSloth | helo, yeah, thats a technical term. |
| 17:44.51 | SleepingSloth | helo, i thought the context made it obvious what i meant ;) |
| 17:44.52 | helo | interesting take on the whole carnival food obsession |
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| 17:45.10 | DexterF | awesome. I disabled X start yesterday and can't remember how. I changed something to false iirc... |
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| 17:45.39 | fak3r | SleepingSloth: http://packages.debian.org/tracker |
| 17:46.00 | SleepingSloth | helo, there should be more word-substitution in here, it would make the support way more fun ;) (if a bit less effective) |
| 17:46.11 | helo | hehehe |
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| 17:47.33 | SleepingSloth | fak3r, so, if i want to use it i have to enable 'testing' or 'unstable' - which is preferable? |
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| 17:47.55 | SleepingSloth | fak3r, testing, I guess? |
| 17:48.00 | fak3r | SleepingSloth: which are you running? |
| 17:48.07 | SleepingSloth | stable |
| 17:48.10 | BrianSteffens | Anybody know why setting up heartbeat/ldirector config files to load balance mysql and apache on totally different machines, throwing no errors on start, would list only the sql addresses under ipvsadm? |
| 17:48.10 | SleepingSloth | etch |
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| 17:48.52 | fak3r | SleepingSloth: no pkg available - you can build from src here: http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/start.html |
| 17:49.23 | fak3r | SleepingSloth: of course you can make a deb from that src too - I did it the other night after a google search |
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| 17:49.47 | msshams | hi, when i try add first domain in vqadmin, i see only a white page. and it isn't work. please help me... |
| 17:50.04 | simonrvn | it's in sid |
| 17:50.15 | SleepingSloth | fak3r, can i not just add 'testing' to my sources.list and grab it that way ? |
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| 17:51.13 | simonrvn | SleepingSloth: no, backport it for your etch |
| 17:51.46 | SleepingSloth | simonrvn, errr...you've lost me. not used backports before |
| 17:51.47 | fak3r | SleepingSloth: what simonrvn said, plus: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-do-i-install-tracker-on-etch...-622132/ |
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| 17:52.46 | SleepingSloth | fak3r, ahah, thanks. |
| 17:53.37 | fak3r | SleepingSloth: np, that's the 'fun' of running etch... (and why I'm migrating to Lenny on my server) |
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| 17:54.14 | helo | sorry, i take back what i said earlier about systemimager being (completely) broken in etch... it is only a little broken ;) |
| 17:54.51 | SleepingSloth | fak3r, by which you mean that nothing new is being added? |
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| 17:55.50 | helo | i think the fun of running etch is a completely different beast than the fun of running lenny |
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| 17:56.02 | doomster | I'm wondering, is there a way to only use UTF-8 as charset and otherwise use a C/POSIX locale? I can currently only get it to work if I use e.g. en_GB.UTF-8.. |
| 17:56.14 | fak3r | SleepingSloth: basically, things are added very slowly - so you usually get to play with old (but very stable) toys |
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| 17:56.31 | tomasso | whats the latest debian version that comes with java blackdown ? |
| 17:56.50 | wols_ | tomasso: none |
| 17:56.55 | wols_ | !tell tomasso about java install |
| 17:57.10 | SleepingSloth | fak3r, well, in general i'm happy with that. i've tried the alternative in ubuntu, and I didnt like what I got |
| 17:57.13 | maligor | doomster, C.UTF-8 eh |
| 17:57.33 | wols_ | !tell tomasso about install java |
| 17:57.36 | fak3r | SleepingSloth: right, speaking of a different beast ;) |
| 17:57.37 | \amethyst | doomster: what do you want from the C locale? |
| 17:57.51 | SleepingSloth | fak3r, but - I do want a few 'new' apps - I guess I can cope with some compiling and managing those myself. |
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| 17:58.07 | \amethyst | C.UTF-8 isn't defined AFAIK |
| 17:58.10 | tomasso | ;s |
| 17:58.35 | doomster | I just want untranslated messages otherwise. |
| 17:58.47 | SleepingSloth | fak3r, well, ubuntu had its upsides, but most of them were debian upsides. I also tried OpenSUSE, and was shocked at how poor its package management is. It really doesn't compare well to debs *at all* |
| 17:58.49 | doomster | (yes, I know, I can leave LC_LANG=C) |
| 17:59.15 | \amethyst | doomster: you can use LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 maybe |
| 17:59.37 | fak3r | SleepingSloth: I agree - so yeah, you can keep track yourself, or use backports -> here's a howto: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-backports-debian-packages.html |
| 18:00.21 | SleepingSloth | fak3r, "err - yeah, there's some sort of dependency issue here. Do you want to ignore it, or do you want to quite trying to install the software...?" How about resolving the dependency?!?! Thanks for the link, I'll have a nose. |
| 18:00.36 | \amethyst | doomster: that means it will take the character set (and character type classifications) from the en_US.UTF-8 locale, but everything else from LANG (which you can set to POSIX) |
| 18:00.48 | \amethyst | doomster: (POSIX == C) |
| 18:00.53 | fak3r | SleepingSloth: I had to use red hat enterprise at my last job...ugg...but this job, I get to install what I want, so it's all Debian. |
| 18:01.01 | fak3r | SleepingSloth: you have a nose? that's great. |
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| 18:01.39 | SleepingSloth | fak3r, I said I *will* have one. At the moment I've a very flat face ;) |
| 18:01.46 | doomster | \amethyst, I'm aware of that, but I don't see why I would have to install any language-specific locale only in order to set the charset. |
| 18:02.20 | DexterF | I just wanted to backport MusicPD, running apt-get build-dep I got this: E: Build-Depends dependency for mpd cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 18:02.29 | DexterF | what does that mean? |
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| 18:04.28 | \amethyst | doomster: because the plain "POSIX" locale doesn't really support non-ascii characters, and there is unfortunately no such thing as POSIX.UTF-8 :( |
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| 18:04.57 | fak3r | DexterF: MusicPD requires a version of mpd that you don't have, and is not avail in your current repos. See if you can install that via backport first. |
| 18:05.29 | pocukrani | hi all, i`m upgrading system from etch to lenny, butt now i`m getting this error: http://pastebin.com/m2ab6e702 ,any idea? |
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| 18:06.00 | DexterF | fak3r: MusicPD = mpd. there's a version in etch, but I'd prefer to backport the lenny version, hence I wanted to get teh build-deps |
| 18:06.03 | DexterF | *the |
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| 18:08.44 | _vvd | howto install debian on another partition with debootstrap? |
| 18:09.11 | stew | _vvd: have you read the manpage? |
| 18:09.12 | _vvd | im too lazy to google it |
| 18:09.18 | _vvd | not yet stew |
| 18:09.23 | _vvd | should i? |
| 18:09.23 | stew | i'm too lazy to help then |
| 18:09.29 | _vvd | stew: ok, thanks |
| 18:09.30 | _vvd | heh |
| 18:09.39 | Matic`Makovec | Hey there. Is it possible to change resolution of more pictures at once? |
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| 18:09.48 | fak3r | DexterF: ah, sorry - so I've only installed a few backports, have you 'pinned' mpd? http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-backports-debian-packages.html - also, i believe teh is an acceptable variant of the in teh internet world. |
| 18:09.54 | fak3r | stew: nice |
| 18:09.57 | CalJohn_ | What is the current status of burning to dvd? Does it work, or not? |
| 18:10.08 | amphi | Matic`Makovec: what do you mean? |
| 18:10.27 | CalJohn_ | (I ask because of Shillings monkey business meaning it breaks often) |
| 18:10.29 | Matic`Makovec | Like...I have about 40 pictures and want to change their resolution...not one by one but alltogether |
| 18:10.48 | CalJohn_ | Matic`Makovec: imagemagick |
| 18:10.57 | amphi | Matic`Makovec: imagemagick and a for loop |
| 18:11.13 | Matic`Makovec | Yay :x |
| 18:11.15 | amphi | Matic`Makovec: look at convert if you want new files, or mogrify for resize in place |
| 18:11.24 | Matic`Makovec | Thanks I guess.. |
| 18:11.32 | Matic`Makovec | No idea how the for should look like really :o |
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| 18:11.47 | DexterF | fak3r: there's no deb in ebp. I'm about dpkg-buildpkg |
| 18:12.16 | amphi | Matic`Makovec: for i in *.whatever; do mogrify -option "$i"; done |
| 18:12.16 | CalJohn_ | Matic`Makovec: ok, it should be; |
| 18:12.21 | amphi | Matic`Makovec: for example |
| 18:12.35 | Justin | ummmm |
| 18:12.45 | Justin | doesn't mogrify already work on multiple files by default? |
| 18:12.50 | CalJohn_ | for i in *jpg; do convert -resize 50% "$i"; done |
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| 18:13.08 | Matic`Makovec | Thank you CalJohn_, amphi |
| 18:13.11 | amphi | CalJohn_: convert needs two file args IIRC |
| 18:13.11 | Matic`Makovec | I shall try that! |
| 18:13.21 | amphi | Justin: dunno, never tried ;) |
| 18:13.24 | CalJohn_ | amphi: so it does |
| 18:13.25 | CalJohn_ | so |
| 18:13.38 | CalJohn_ | for i in *jpg; do convert -resize 50% "$i" "$i".resized; done |
| 18:13.47 | duns_s | hi |
| 18:13.53 | duns_s | has anybody experience with smartmontools/smart? |
| 18:13.53 | CalJohn_ | 50% can also be 50x50 or something, i think |
| 18:14.02 | duns_s | i get these results for my new disk: http://rafb.net/p/ARJieJ26.html |
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| 18:14.21 | duns_s | i don't get why it is old age/pre-fail already, after 44 hours lifetime |
| 18:14.26 | Justin | CalJohn_: imagemagick understands a number of different size specifications |
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| 18:14.41 | amphi | CalJohn_: that may lead to disaster I think - "$i" "${i/.png/_new.png}" or some such perhaps might be better |
| 18:14.44 | duns_s | it looks quite similar to my old (now replaced drive) |
| 18:14.49 | helo | is noatime ok for even the root partition? |
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| 18:15.11 | aliesky | Hello everybody |
| 18:15.22 | CalJohn_ | amphi: i don't understand how it would lead to disaster; what would happen? |
| 18:15.46 | amphi | CalJohn_: reading and writing the same file like that |
| 18:15.52 | Justin | duns_s: it is? |
| 18:16.02 | amphi | CalJohn_: mogrify is for in place changes AFAIK |
| 18:16.06 | duns_s | Justin: ? |
| 18:16.09 | CalJohn_ | amphi: surely "$i".resized is a different file? |
| 18:16.17 | Justin | duns_s: where does it say the drive is about to fail? |
| 18:16.38 | pocukrani | hi all, i`m upgrading system from etch to lenny, butt now i`m getting this error: http://pastebin.com/m2ab6e702 ,any idea? |
| 18:16.39 | duns_s | some attributes are pre-fail already |
| 18:16.47 | duns_s | and others are Old_age after 44 hours? |
| 18:16.51 | CalJohn_ | amphi: fair enough, i'll man mogrify for the future, but i'm curious about me making a mistake now |
| 18:17.34 | Justin | duns_s: uhh, those are the types of the columns, not the values |
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| 18:17.41 | aliesky | i need a script for remove some strings in a text file, any sugestion? |
| 18:17.46 | Justin | duns_s: er, types of the rows |
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| 18:18.55 | stew | CalJohn_: .resized is not a file extension for which imagemagic has an encoder |
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| 18:19.02 | stew | imagemagick |
| 18:19.25 | duns_s | Justin: spin up time is of type prefail, right? |
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| 18:19.41 | Justin | duns_s: just ignore that column completely. yuou need to look at the values. |
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| 18:20.27 | CalJohn_ | stew: oh, i see. i didn't realise imagemagick chose formats by file extension. i'll have to remember that |
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| 18:21.56 | duns_s | Justin: but if smartd logs 10 uncorrectable sectors found every half an hour, it is right to assume that the disk is going to fail soon |
| 18:21.57 | duns_s | ? |
| 18:22.20 | valdyn | duns_s: it never found that |
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| 18:23.48 | duns_s | valdyn: i mean this: Device: /dev/hda, 10 Offline uncorrectable sectors |
| 18:24.00 | duns_s | i got that every half an hour for at least one month |
| 18:24.08 | valdyn | duns_s: thats bullshite |
| 18:24.17 | valdyn | duns_s: disable the smart test that is triggering that error |
| 18:24.23 | fak3r | duns_s: see what google sez about it |
| 18:24.30 | duns_s | ok thx |
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| 18:25.01 | valdyn | duns_s: smart is only as good as its actually implemented for your disk, which can be very bad. |
| 18:25.03 | duns_s | i have replaced the disk now and transformed it to an external one, so i guess i can assume it will continue to work |
| 18:25.07 | jetscreamer | greetings earthlings |
| 18:25.12 | Nyle | jetscreamer, fuck you |
| 18:25.13 | duns_s | valdyn: :-( |
| 18:25.14 | Nyle | jetscreamer, ohhhh shit |
| 18:25.16 | Nyle | sorry |
| 18:25.18 | Nyle | sorrryyyyy |
| 18:25.25 | Nyle | dude typo I dunno wtf i was thinkin |
| 18:25.33 | valdyn | duns_s: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 is a very meaningful value |
| 18:25.42 | Nyle | jetscreamer, hi! whats up |
| 18:25.43 | valdyn | duns_s: many other things are just totally unreliable |
| 18:25.46 | jetscreamer | i feel so welcome |
| 18:25.52 | Nyle | jetscreamer, (supposed to be "hey you") |
| 18:25.54 | Nyle | :( |
| 18:27.00 | jetscreamer | that's one hell of a typo |
| 18:27.36 | Nyle | jetscreamer, alright fine thn |
| 18:27.39 | Nyle | fuck you |
| 18:27.40 | Nyle | :) |
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| 18:27.52 | jetscreamer | well i would, but i'm not that way... |
| 18:27.54 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:28.06 | Nyle | yeh come near me i'll chop your thingy off |
| 18:28.06 | jetscreamer | you're very sexy though i guess |
| 18:28.10 | Nyle | ugh dude |
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| 18:28.34 | Nyle | jetscreamer, I got my resolutions finaly in fglrx |
| 18:28.38 | DevilsTrill | hi people |
| 18:28.40 | jetscreamer | i've been cleaning viruses for the past couple days |
| 18:28.42 | jetscreamer | joy |
| 18:28.51 | Nyle | jetscreamer, I discoverd that you can't have two of each device/monitor/screen in xorg.conf |
| 18:28.53 | jetscreamer | NOT_my_box |
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| 18:29.13 | DevilsTrill | anybody know a password recovery tool for rar archive to run under debian? |
| 18:29.15 | Nyle | jetscreamer, device 1, fglrx, must handle vert2/hrefresh2/modd2/resolution2 (2 for 2nd monitor) |
| 18:29.25 | Nyle | jetscreamer, http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/desk.jpg |
| 18:29.26 | jetscreamer | Nyle: well you have to at least only use one at a time afaik |
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| 18:29.36 | duns_s | another question about raids, i would like to add an old secondary 250 gb disk for a raid 1 to my new disk |
| 18:29.52 | jetscreamer | 44441 |
| 18:29.53 | Nyle | jetscreamer, I didn't realize that |
| 18:29.56 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 18:30.00 | Nyle | jetscreamer, hows the screenshit |
| 18:30.02 | Nyle | not shot |
| 18:30.03 | Nyle | but shit |
| 18:30.05 | jetscreamer | The page you are looking for might have been removed, |
| 18:30.05 | jetscreamer | had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. |
| 18:30.05 | Nyle | check it out |
| 18:30.08 | duns_s | but i've read that i should add it to another ide controller (the second one) then |
| 18:30.11 | Nyle | what? |
| 18:30.18 | jetscreamer | no middle click paste in ie |
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| 18:30.22 | jetscreamer | it said not found |
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| 18:30.53 | Nyle | nah |
| 18:30.54 | jetscreamer | and taking off desk.jpg wants me to install a plugin |
| 18:30.55 | Nyle | file perms are good |
| 18:31.03 | Nyle | can't be |
| 18:31.09 | Nyle | my site is good |
| 18:31.17 | jetscreamer | flash |
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| 18:32.11 | duns_s | valdyn: is it bad to add an old disk to a raid 1 array instead of using the plain new disk? |
| 18:32.13 | Nyle | ohhh |
| 18:32.15 | Nyle | oops! |
| 18:32.24 | Nyle | jetscreamer, http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/desk.jpg |
| 18:32.25 | stew | CyberFuoriditest: please turn off away notification in this channel |
| 18:32.25 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 18:32.28 | jetscreamer | still i got a not found on the desk.j... ah |
| 18:32.32 | Nyle | sorry, I forgot to put my username there |
| 18:32.34 | duns_s | i mean performance and reliability wise |
| 18:33.17 | Nyle | c |
| 18:33.23 | Nyle | cmon man |
| 18:33.24 | jetscreamer | yeah i see it now |
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| 18:33.41 | jetscreamer | !tell CyberFuoriditest -about away |
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| 18:33.54 | enouf | Nyle: what's the res? |
| 18:33.55 | Nyle | 1600x1200 * 2 |
| 18:34.01 | Nyle | 3200x1200 |
| 18:34.12 | Nyle | before my xorg conf was fucked majorly fucke |
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| 18:34.16 | SamuraiDio | :) |
| 18:34.19 | Nyle | so I oculd only get 1280x1024 * 2 |
| 18:34.21 | enouf | but it looks like one full screen, why? you doctored it? |
| 18:34.28 | Nyle | of course I did |
| 18:34.28 | jetscreamer | it's a screenshot |
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| 18:34.30 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 18:34.33 | Nyle | 1 framebuffer |
| 18:34.33 | SamuraiDio | is there some prevision fo Firefox 3 come to Debian? |
| 18:34.41 | Nyle | no 2 screens, 1 framebuffer |
| 18:34.42 | jetscreamer | not a picture of two monitors |
| 18:34.44 | Nyle | 3200x1200 |
| 18:34.50 | duns_s | is miriam ruiz around? |
| 18:35.01 | Nyle | jetscreamer, each monitor is 1600x1200 but its ONE desktop |
| 18:35.06 | abrotman | duns_s: why? |
| 18:35.16 | Nyle | jetscreamer, fglrx device Option "desktopsetup" "horizontal" |
| 18:35.30 | jetscreamer | Nyle: yes, that's why i said it was a screenshot, not a picture taken with a camera of two monitors |
| 18:35.45 | Nyle | enouf, jetscreamer I'm 27 today |
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| 18:35.52 | enouf | i want to see the frames too :-P |
| 18:35.54 | Nyle | smoke something for me goddamit |
| 18:35.55 | duns_s | abrotman: because i am curious about when the new version of gnash might come in testing |
| 18:35.56 | jetscreamer | happy birthday |
| 18:35.57 | crashx | hello |
| 18:36.00 | Nyle | crashx, hi |
| 18:36.01 | jetscreamer | ok i'll get right on that |
| 18:36.03 | enouf | Nyle: Happy Birthday to You! |
| 18:36.09 | Nyle | thank you my good friends |
| 18:36.11 | jelly-home | Nyle: \o/ |
| 18:36.14 | duns_s | flash is bull shit |
| 18:36.24 | Nyle | flash isn't that bad |
| 18:36.28 | enouf | Nyle: it's false advertising to show one unit as 3200x1200 :-P |
| 18:36.28 | jetscreamer | damn time to resupply the fringe benefits |
| 18:36.30 | jelly-home | !kiss Nyle |
| 18:36.31 | Nyle | it has its uses, its just used like a pos everywhere |
| 18:36.34 | Nyle | awe |
| 18:36.40 | Nyle | I LOVE YOU GUYS |
| 18:36.42 | jetscreamer | getting low |
| 18:36.44 | Nyle | debian fucking kicks ass! |
| 18:36.51 | Nyle | today |
| 18:36.53 | crashx | i have a working email setup on a server with axigen, now i want to use postfix and cyrus, how can i install both at the same time. whenever i apt get cyrus and so on it wants to uninstall the axigen mail system. i want to run the one imapd on another port to sync the mailboxes to the new setup. anyone an idea? |
| 18:36.55 | duns_s | it stresses my cpu completely and make watching youtube on an older pc unpossible |
| 18:37.02 | Nyle | I have been using debian for exactly 7 years I tihnk |
| 18:37.02 | duns_s | at least on my via c3 |
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| 18:37.06 | enouf | !pint the entire channel |
| 18:37.30 | jetscreamer | !ale for all |
| 18:37.31 | Nyle | march 12th 2001 a college mate from louisiana's Cyberarmy chapter gave me a copy of debian |
| 18:37.38 | Nyle | my birthday |
| 18:37.48 | Nyle | today 7 years to the dot |
| 18:37.51 | jetscreamer | ah i know what you need for your birthday |
| 18:37.55 | jetscreamer | oh that birthday |
| 18:37.55 | crashx | lol debian was your birthday present? |
| 18:37.57 | duns_s | full screen movies divx works, but flash movies have 2 fps second or so... |
| 18:38.02 | Nyle | crashx, THE BEST EVER |
| 18:38.03 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:38.07 | jetscreamer | your debian birthday or your real one |
| 18:38.07 | crashx | lol |
| 18:38.08 | crashx | you know |
| 18:38.10 | crashx | its free ;) |
| 18:38.17 | crashx | must have been some greedy asshole ;) |
| 18:38.19 | Nyle | this is my real birthday AND my debian birthday today |
| 18:38.20 | Nyle | hehe |
| 18:38.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:38.26 | crashx | happy birthday Nyle |
| 18:38.30 | jetscreamer | ok then i know what you need |
| 18:38.31 | Nyle | thank you thank you |
| 18:38.33 | duns_s | flash is bad because it is too slow, besides the fact that it stresses konqueror developpers... |
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| 18:38.36 | jetscreamer | !love nyle |
| 18:38.42 | Nyle | duns_s, how do you mean? |
| 18:38.54 | BrianSteffens | Are there any programs around that can do an n-way sync between apache servers? I'm setting up a cluster of apache machines and unfortunately the php files change certain configuration files occassionally, and I want those changes to sync to the other machines in the cluster. |
| 18:39.02 | crashx | so anyone an idea how to stop apt from |
| 18:39.02 | crashx | The following packages will be REMOVED: axigen |
| 18:39.02 | Nyle | duns_s, are you having trouble running flash in konqueror? |
| 18:39.12 | Nyle | heh, bot sex |
| 18:39.15 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 18:39.21 | duns_s | Nyle: no i use an old version |
| 18:39.28 | enouf | Nyle: the reason i brought up that res was; i might want something like that for myself. but only if the borders aren't present ;-) but no porbs man, be Merry today! |
| 18:39.32 | Nyle | duns_s, so whats your debian support question? |
| 18:39.33 | jetscreamer | crashx: i don't know how to do it right, but you could always compile a local copy of one of them and use it |
| 18:39.35 | BrianSteffens | duns_s: Anything that doesn't get along with Konqueror deserves to die :) |
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| 18:39.43 | Nyle | enouf, thanks buddy |
| 18:39.55 | abrotman | duns_s: /msg dpkg why is gnash not in testing |
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| 18:39.56 | Justin | BrianSteffens: rsync,unison,csync...... |
| 18:39.57 | crashx | hmm there MUST be a better way :/ |
| 18:40.02 | Nyle | I use konqueror primarily and it works fine |
| 18:40.04 | crashx | brb eating |
| 18:40.05 | Nyle | flash is good in it |
| 18:40.07 | Justin | BrianSteffens: or even better, a RCS |
| 18:40.07 | roue | hola |
| 18:40.11 | duns_s | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3162 |
| 18:40.23 | duns_s | konqueror 4 works too now |
| 18:40.31 | Nyle | not interested in kde |
| 18:40.33 | Nyle | its a pos |
| 18:40.36 | BrianSteffens | Justin: Really? An RCS? Hmmm never thought of that |
| 18:40.40 | Nyle | kde4 sucks man |
| 18:40.42 | duns_s | but i would love to see gnash in a usable state |
| 18:40.43 | Nyle | give it a year or two |
| 18:40.58 | Nyle | I believe in a year or two kde4 will whoop ass |
| 18:40.58 | amphi | duns_s: yes, gnash will be great |
| 18:41.02 | Nyle | amphi, ! |
| 18:41.05 | duns_s | Nyle: well it is not that bad actually |
| 18:41.09 | abrotman | duns_s: help fix it? :) |
| 18:41.15 | amphi | ¡ Nyle |
| 18:41.18 | BrianSteffens | I like kde ;p |
| 18:41.26 | Nyle | duns_s, yeh it is |
| 18:41.33 | Nyle | I have it, I use it, its horrible |
| 18:41.36 | duns_s | abrotman: gnash should work in the new version |
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| 18:41.42 | BrianSteffens | With gnome I always end up in the source code to make minor modifications |
| 18:41.42 | duns_s | Nyle: me too ;-) |
| 18:41.43 | Nyle | but only because its new, thats all |
| 18:41.44 | Nyle | its great |
| 18:42.05 | duns_s | i would not recommend it others, but if you know it, it is usable |
| 18:42.19 | duns_s | i use trunk regularly and it is working ok |
| 18:42.26 | Justin | BrianSteffens: yeah, change the files on the master, and have a commit hook that pushes the changes out to the frontends |
| 18:42.37 | duns_s | so is miriam around? |
| 18:42.46 | jetscreamer | why don't you ask the bot in a msg |
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| 18:42.52 | jetscreamer | !seen nyle |
| 18:42.52 | dpkg | nyle is currently on #debian (3h 47m 18s). Has said a total of 138 messages. Is idling for 1m 8s, last said: 'its great'. |
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| 18:42.58 | abrotman | duns_s: not likely in here .. so get the package from packages.debian.org and just try it |
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| 18:43.13 | BrianSteffens | Justin: Well preferably I'd like any change on any machine to update on the others, rather than only a certain master |
| 18:43.15 | DexterF | my timezone is set to Europe/Berlin which is ok, but my time is wrong by +1 hour. how come? |
| 18:43.21 | duns_s | abrotman: well i use testing, the new version is in unstable only... |
| 18:43.29 | duns_s | and gnash has a lot of deps |
| 18:43.33 | duns_s | dependencies |
| 18:43.43 | abrotman | duns_s: ah ok .. wasn't aware .. that sucks |
| 18:43.49 | Nyle | enouf, it is not |
| 18:43.51 | abrotman | duns_s: /msg dpkg simple sid backport ? |
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| 18:43.58 | Nyle | enouf, two monitors, one desktop |
| 18:44.01 | abrotman | !why is gnash not in testing |
| 18:44.01 | dpkg | gnash is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gnash |
| 18:44.03 | Nyle | one framebuffer |
| 18:44.05 | duns_s | DexterF: maybe your hw time is not utc |
| 18:44.09 | Nyle | enouf, so its not cheating |
| 18:44.17 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 18:44.17 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 18:44.18 | Nyle | enouf, it IS 3200x1200 |
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| 18:44.55 | Justin | BrianSteffens: er yeah, I suppose you could change a file on any machine, as long as you then still commit the changes |
| 18:44.56 | Nyle | enouf, note that if it wasn't 1 framebuffer, Iwould be limited to only having windows in each sceen, not in the middle or span both screens |
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| 18:45.20 | DexterF | abrotman: rcS said utc=yes, set to no now. need to restart something? |
| 18:45.25 | Nyle | enouf, iow, moving windows across monitors.. scrot desk.jpg gives me 3200x1200 |
| 18:45.27 | Justin | BrianSteffens: but that can end up being a mess, it you do have a cluster of machines for serving files, it would be best if you NEVER log into the individual machines, it will make managing them much easier |
| 18:45.28 | Nyle | enouf, suck it ;) |
| 18:45.32 | Nyle | ooooh burn |
| 18:45.34 | abrotman | DexterF: try to set your time with ntp |
| 18:45.36 | stew | DexterF: do you dual boot with windows? |
| 18:45.47 | DexterF | stew: no, not on this machine |
| 18:45.55 | stew | good |
| 18:46.10 | enouf | Nyle: i understand all that - not necessary to jibberish like that ;-) but i want one frame only :-P |
| 18:46.20 | BrianSteffens | Justin: I agree - I know it's a pipe-dream, I was just hoping there would be some magical software that could do it for me without having to modify the existing code :) |
| 18:46.28 | enouf | Nyle: i'm sure for ~10K $ i might get close :-; |
| 18:46.38 | Nyle | enouf, oh you mean 1 monitor |
| 18:46.40 | Nyle | don't say frame then |
| 18:46.46 | Nyle | that is consufing |
| 18:46.50 | Nyle | fusing |
| 18:46.54 | DexterF | abrotman: package ntp? |
| 18:47.02 | enouf | Nyle: yes |
| 18:47.07 | Justin | BrianSteffens: well there are plenty of programs that do that |
| 18:47.08 | dkr | DexterF: when you shutdown, the init scripts will run hwclock with the appropriate options to set the hwclock to utc based on system time |
| 18:47.11 | Nyle | enouf, are you finnish? |
| 18:47.14 | DexterF | abrotman: nvm |
| 18:47.17 | jetscreamer | why not just get a 50" |
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| 18:47.29 | Nyle | what does that go upto? |
| 18:47.33 | enouf | Nyle: not really, why? |
| 18:47.34 | BrianSteffens | Justin: Just messily? |
| 18:47.39 | Nyle | enouf, may I ask where? |
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| 18:47.48 | enouf | where what? |
| 18:47.50 | Justin | BrianSteffens: well, it is just easier if the machines have well defined roles |
| 18:47.52 | Nyle | are you from |
| 18:48.00 | enouf | Nyle: good ol' USA:-) |
| 18:48.03 | Nyle | enouf, is english your first language? thats what I want to know |
| 18:48.03 | Nyle | ahh |
| 18:48.07 | Nyle | enouf, so it isn't. |
| 18:48.10 | Nyle | ;) hahah |
| 18:48.25 | enouf | Nyle: if you hadn't doctored the image - frame is relative man ;-P |
| 18:48.25 | BrianSteffens | Justin: Aye. |
| 18:48.33 | Nyle | you speak americansese |
| 18:48.37 | Justin | BrianSteffens: if the changes are always pushed from master -> multiple slaves, it is much simpler. if you are trying to sync. the files across all the machines then you have much more issues to deal with |
| 18:48.38 | Nyle | enouf, I did no such thing |
| 18:48.40 | Nyle | look in the screenshot |
| 18:48.44 | enouf | i speak crackerhead |
| 18:48.48 | Nyle | I use scrot and then uploaded it |
| 18:49.00 | Nyle | I did not cheat/modify the screenshot ffs :( please believe me nigga please beliee me! |
| 18:49.03 | Nyle | er.. |
| 18:49.12 | jetscreamer | fo shizzle |
| 18:49.14 | Nyle | heh nm |
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| 18:49.54 | Nyle | enouf, ahh, for a second there I thought you spoke crackhead |
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| 18:50.17 | enouf | Nyle: you speak bongolese |
| 18:50.19 | Nyle | jetscreamer, I also got my compiz working, compiled mplayer with patched vo_xv.c |
| 18:50.22 | enouf | :-P |
| 18:50.35 | Nyle | enouf, when I speak people dislike me more and more.. |
| 18:50.51 | Nyle | jetscreamer, nvidia or ati? |
| 18:50.56 | jetscreamer | try typing and writing notes |
| 18:51.00 | jetscreamer | me? nvda |
| 18:51.04 | Nyle | jetscreamer, are yo uinterested in compiz? |
| 18:51.11 | jetscreamer | ati stock is hella nice though |
| 18:51.24 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 18:51.28 | jetscreamer | i made it run once |
| 18:51.30 | Nyle | enouf, you can hear a slight smacking sound when I start talking in a room |
| 18:51.48 | Nyle | enouf, its the sound of pussies slammin shut like car doors, all round the room |
| 18:51.54 | enouf | Nyle: aye - that's why we play guitar instead ;-) |
| 18:52.08 | Nyle | enouf, I'm mostly irritating to others thats just how I am, I don't try to be |
| 18:52.27 | Nyle | enouf, the only thing that actually does anything for me to help me live |
| 18:52.28 | Justin | Nyle: that may be true, however, you could try to be LESS irritating :-P |
| 18:52.30 | Nyle | debian |
| 18:52.36 | Nyle | thats it man |
| 18:52.43 | jetscreamer | !tell nyle -about nyeet |
| 18:52.45 | Nyle | i know it sounds dramatic n shit but its true |
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| 18:53.02 | Nyle | Justin, hehe :) will do buddy |
| 18:53.12 | Nyle | Justin, just for you baby |
| 18:53.28 | ignotus | hello, is there a howto somewhere how to install vmware in Debian sid? I can't compile the kernel modules (aborts with errors) |
| 18:53.37 | jetscreamer | changing to please others never seems to work out |
| 18:54.00 | wols_ | !tell ignotus about vmware |
| 18:54.02 | Nyle | ignotus, oh um |
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| 18:54.19 | wols_ | jetscreamer: VERY OT :P |
| 18:54.21 | Nyle | ignotus, #vmware, no packages, only thier intaller, it works, but you have not know how to really install it |
| 18:54.32 | jetscreamer | hey this isn't my blog? |
| 18:54.35 | Nyle | wols_, oh so pussies slammin shut bullshit from me is not ot |
| 18:54.40 | Nyle | but windows restart it ot |
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| 18:54.42 | Nyle | damn hater |
| 18:54.43 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:54.51 | jetscreamer | sex&debian go together? |
| 18:55.01 | wols_ | Nyle: you are beyond hope and should simply be kbanned |
| 18:55.01 | Nyle | yes |
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| 18:55.18 | fiendishfish | How do people get their backgroun in Linux, to be a transparent shell? |
| 18:55.22 | fiendishfish | Rather than a wallpaper. |
| 18:55.29 | Nyle | fiendishfish, transparent terminal |
| 18:55.34 | ignotus | Nyle: I'm using their installers, I start it with "CC=gcc-4.1 ./vmware-install.pl" then at the compilation it stops with: vm_basic_types.h:170: error: conflicting types for 'uintptr_t' |
| 18:55.34 | Nyle | like aterm or something |
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| 18:55.53 | Nyle | ignotus, sounds like #vmware issue to me |
| 18:55.54 | fiendishfish | Nyle, do you know how it's set up? |
| 18:55.59 | ignotus | Nyle: I'm there, thanks |
| 18:56.02 | fiendishfish | So it isn't a seperate window, it's fixed there |
| 18:56.17 | Nyle | fiendishfish, I'm not sure, but you have to install some terminal that supports transparency and then configure it |
| 18:56.38 | fiendishfish | Hmm, I'm trying to find a doc on it. |
| 18:56.40 | wols_ | fiendishfish: aterm is often used |
| 18:56.40 | Nyle | fiendishfish, a wallpaper on desktop can't be transparent becuse there would be nothing in the background of teh background |
| 18:56.43 | Nyle | get it |
| 18:56.52 | jetscreamer | yes there would |
| 18:56.56 | jetscreamer | the crosshatch |
| 18:57.07 | valdyn | umm |
| 18:57.13 | Nyle | wols_, why don't you petition the debian ops to have me removed? |
| 18:57.22 | Nyle | wols_, seem to feel so strongly about it. |
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| 18:57.32 | jetscreamer | why are you bugging wols |
| 18:57.39 | Nyle | I'm not. |
| 18:57.41 | rox | what is the backup user used for? |
| 18:57.52 | Qwell | Is there a simple way in apt to force a package to never upgrade? I'd like to keep pidgin at 2.3.1 |
| 18:57.57 | rox | and who creates it? |
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| 18:58.04 | Eulex | !tell Qwell about hold |
| 18:58.05 | Nyle | !tell Qwell -about hold |
| 18:58.06 | abrotman | !tell Qwell aboth |
| 18:58.07 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:58.09 | fiendishfish | Nyle, Ok, I mean a shell as your wallpaperr ;/ |
| 18:58.30 | Nyle | fiendishfish, oh that I don't know |
| 18:58.35 | jetscreamer | you can have a term in your root window i 'think' |
| 18:58.36 | Eulex | !win me |
| 18:58.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, eulex! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:58.41 | Nyle | no |
| 18:58.42 | jetscreamer | iirc yes |
| 18:58.42 | Nyle | win me |
| 18:58.47 | Nyle | 02:58 [dpkg(n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] told Qwell about hold. |
| 18:58.54 | Nyle | it probably told you someone already said this |
| 18:58.55 | Nyle | or soemthing |
| 18:58.57 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:59.11 | Eulex | Nyle, it didn't. |
| 18:59.16 | Nyle | oh weird |
| 18:59.18 | Eulex | oh noes, a race condition in dpkg |
| 18:59.26 | Nyle | maybe it sonly with ! channel stuff |
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| 18:59.45 | jetscreamer | gdmit stupid fkslkfashof hp |
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| 18:59.55 | Qwell | err, aptitude hold pidgin wants to remove a bunch of other packages O.o |
| 19:00.03 | helo | is there a boot parameter that will keep the console from blanking after inactivity? |
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| 19:00.05 | eleanor_ | hey |
| 19:00.07 | jetscreamer | use dselect |
| 19:00.16 | eleanor_ | is out there any reporsitory for deb amule packet? |
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| 19:00.23 | Nyle | !amule |
| 19:00.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, amule is Another eMule P2P client. It is another fork of the xMule project. It connects to the eDonkey2000 network and can be found at http://amule.sourceforge.net/index.php?downloads |
| 19:00.27 | valdyn | !info amule |
| 19:00.28 | dpkg | amule: (client for the eD2k and Kad networks, like eMule), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.1.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 1237 kB, Installed size: 3255 kB |
| 19:00.33 | valdyn | !info amule etch |
| 19:00.34 | dpkg | amule: (client for the eD2k and Kad networks, like eMule), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.1.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1265 kB, Installed size: 3235 kB |
| 19:00.44 | valdyn | eleanor_: why cant you find it? |
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| 19:01.08 | zo_orki | is there a possibility to make my programs talk in my native language? i've already tried dpkg-reconfigure locales. after searching on the internet i even tried dpkg-reconfigure console-date / console-common. without success. is there anything else? |
| 19:01.11 | helo | ... or is there some other way i can disable console blanking? |
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| 19:01.24 | _vvd | anyone knows why there are 8 terminal colors with 2 different brightness levels? |
| 19:01.27 | abrotman | zo_orki: what is your native language? |
| 19:01.37 | valdyn | zo_orki: you did relogin after changing the locale? |
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| 19:01.55 | jetscreamer | helo: the bot knows, i forget the factoid |
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| 19:02.07 | kstar | Hi. I'm having trouble preseeding the debian installer |
| 19:02.09 | stew | !screen blanking |
| 19:02.10 | dpkg | from memory, screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. |
| 19:02.13 | zo_orki | my native language is german. do i have just to relogin or to reboot? |
| 19:02.16 | plundra | How are you supposed to handle sysctl.conf and settings that comes from modules? (It seems like sysctl.conf is used before loading modules) |
| 19:02.23 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 19:02.27 | jetscreamer | !stew++ |
| 19:02.34 | stew | zo_orki: just relogin. what is returned when you type "echo $LANG"? |
| 19:02.57 | valdyn | plundra: why does it seem so? |
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| 19:03.17 | rox | can anybody tell me what package creates the backup user and what is it used for? |
| 19:03.23 | plundra | valdyn: During boot up it says my settings aren't present? :-) (Some ipv6 things) |
| 19:03.28 | jetscreamer | wtf is a backup user |
| 19:03.35 | zo_orki | de_DE-UTF-8. but first i try a login. a second please |
| 19:03.42 | jetscreamer | unless you mean the guy who does the backups |
| 19:03.49 | rox | jetscreamer: i have a user named backup on my system |
| 19:03.51 | valdyn | plundra: you should get the real error message |
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| 19:04.04 | jetscreamer | rox: i don't believe i do |
| 19:04.05 | rox | jetscreamer: it's a system user, UID=34 |
| 19:04.11 | valdyn | plundra: and modules are loaded before sysctl is run |
| 19:04.11 | plundra | valdyn: Setting kernel variables...error: "net.ipv6.conf.all.autoconf" is an unknown key |
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| 19:05.02 | kstar | How do I pass kernel parameters to use a preseed file to a netboot installer? |
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| 19:05.12 | valdyn | plundra: uname -r |
| 19:05.13 | rox | jetscreamer: this asshole is really hard to google for :-/ |
| 19:05.14 | Justin | kstar: you mean like using pxe? |
| 19:05.33 | kstar | Justin: I don't understand... what's pxe? |
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| 19:05.50 | Justin | kstar: how are you booting the installer? |
| 19:05.53 | kstar | Justin: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 <-- This doesn't seem to work |
| 19:05.54 | valdyn | plundra: paste the output of "uname -r" |
| 19:05.55 | plundra | valdyn: 2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 19:06.03 | plundra | (went away, sorry) |
| 19:06.03 | kstar | Justin: From GRUB, booting the netboot kernel |
| 19:06.14 | plundra | valdyn: I guess it loads the ipv6 module when setting up the interfaces. |
| 19:06.20 | plundra | (And not before) |
| 19:06.20 | Justin | kstar: from grub? like off a cd? |
| 19:06.26 | kstar | Justin: from GRUB. |
| 19:06.32 | kstar | Justin: The netboot install |
| 19:06.35 | Justin | kstar: how are you loading grub |
| 19:06.43 | valdyn | plundra: maybew you should put ipv6 into /etc/modules |
| 19:06.43 | kstar | Justin: From MBR. |
| 19:06.45 | plundra | valdyn: I'll try adding it manually |
| 19:06.46 | plundra | Yeah |
| 19:06.55 | Nyle | jetscreamer, pick up your phone!!!!! |
| 19:07.08 | Justin | kstar: odd... anyways, just press e in grub and add the option |
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| 19:07.20 | kstar | Justin: what option should I add? |
| 19:07.21 | jetscreamer | oh is that you? my kid just told me it's going off |
| 19:07.25 | Justin | kstar: the preseed option |
| 19:07.29 | kstar | Justin: preseed/file=<filename> doesn't seem to work |
| 19:07.30 | jetscreamer | it's on the other side of the house |
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| 19:07.40 | kstar | Justin: The installer is working as it does by default. |
| 19:07.43 | Nyle | haha |
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| 19:07.50 | Justin | kstar: is the file in the right place? I use preseed/url=http://... |
| 19:07.53 | valdyn | plundra: thats one thing that cant be solved any cleaner as proc settings need to be set before net goes up, while that specific one needs net to go up to be available |
| 19:07.58 | Justin | kstar: i dunno anything about files |
| 19:08.02 | helo | you can call me pretty much whatever you want, really... |
| 19:08.06 | kstar | Justin: Hmm... how do I use a URL? |
| 19:08.18 | Justin | kstar: you stick the file on a webserver somewhere and point to it |
| 19:08.27 | kstar | Justin: That implies that it preseeds after DHCP config |
| 19:08.29 | plundra | valdyn: Worked fine, thanks. |
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| 19:08.47 | kstar | Justin: Ok... I'll try that. Thanks. |
| 19:09.14 | Justin | kstar: i guess... I just use preseeding to select the mirror and some default options, not to do a completely unattended install |
| 19:09.51 | Justin | kstar: not sure if it will try dhcp first to get the preseed file |
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| 19:12.07 | ampex | I have a boatload of defunct processes on my machine and I also notice that when I log into the console and exit, I never get a prompt back, I have to change to another tty to log back in. If I try to run ps to identify the parent processes of the defunct processes, I see 1 |
| 19:12.19 | ampex | does this machine need to be rebooted, or is there a "better way" of handling the problem at hand? |
| 19:12.47 | dkr | ampex: did you apply a kernel/libc upgrade and not reboot? |
| 19:13.12 | ampex | dkr: possibly |
| 19:13.31 | ampex | dpkg.log doesn't show anything though |
| 19:13.45 | jetscreamer | Nyle: you hung up? |
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| 19:14.06 | dkr | might be something else going on then.anything in syslog or dmesg? |
| 19:14.07 | ampex | dkr: status installed libc6-i386 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
| 19:14.10 | ampex | dkr: that could have been it? |
| 19:14.10 | jetscreamer | bosses ex 'wife' wants me to move a 200lb object :/ |
| 19:14.14 | zo_orki | the relogin and rebooting the system failed |
| 19:14.51 | ampex | dkr: looks like that was updated yesterday |
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| 19:14.57 | jetscreamer | hey nyle wtf is this 'earthism' the ati installer wants to install |
| 19:14.58 | helo | i need to modify some initrd stuff... what are the cpio commands to extract/archive appropriately? |
| 19:15.01 | ampex | dkr: and the machine hasn't been booted since |
| 19:15.18 | jetscreamer | update-initramfs i think, helo |
| 19:15.52 | helo | nah... i need to edit this specific initrd (from systemimager) to disable screen blanking |
| 19:16.07 | stew | ampex: it is not necessary to reboot because of a libc6 upgrade |
| 19:16.24 | zo_orki | so still all programs are in english |
| 19:17.04 | ampex | stew: any idea why dkr was asking? |
| 19:17.05 | eap | helo: quick'n easy, use 'mc' |
| 19:17.14 | stew | ampex: no |
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| 19:17.42 | eap | helo: mc i think can handle it.. not sure, was a long while ago |
| 19:17.43 | jetscreamer | listen to haris1 |
| 19:18.10 | dkr | ampex: the kernel update would be reason for needing to reboot, the lib update could be reason for a running proc to mess up |
| 19:18.11 | helo | since initrd switched from .img to cpio? |
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| 19:18.37 | dkr | ampex: checking your logs is the best thing to do |
| 19:18.41 | eap | helo: unsure, if u have mc, have a go and see |
| 19:19.37 | Rat409 | helo: edit /etc/mkinitcpio then mkinitcpio -g kernel-bla-bla? |
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| 19:20.24 | deeku | is it possible to get some of the debian mailing lists as RSS feeds? |
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| 19:21.41 | helo | eap: yay :D |
| 19:22.03 | duns_s | valdyn: does it hit performance if i add an old drive to a raid-1 with my new disk on two *different* ide controllers (the old drive has a smaller cache) |
| 19:22.23 | eleanor_ | what is the package name that contains the deb command? |
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| 19:22.59 | duns_s | valdyn: if i put them on the same ide controller this should definetly hit performance and reliability, right? |
| 19:23.31 | eap | helo: :) |
| 19:23.46 | helo | eap: doh, it was a trick! i thought it was the initrd but it was my root fs lol |
| 19:23.54 | helo | not used to mc heh |
| 19:24.01 | eap | helo: :( |
| 19:24.23 | plundra | Ok, I don't get this. Both ...net.ipv6.conf.all.<foo> aswell as .default. is set, but still my .eth0. gets another setting. What's up with that? :) Is some ifup-script/whatever mucking around there? :) |
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| 19:24.55 | kstar | Justin: Thanks a lot. preseeding worked. |
| 19:24.56 | DexterF | I set up a basic install without desktop, then installed xfce4 from etch-backports, but there's no dm installed. shouldn't xfce have drawn one as a dep...? |
| 19:25.02 | kstar | Justin: Why didn't it work with the file? |
| 19:25.05 | kstar | Justin: Any idea? |
| 19:25.10 | Justin | kstar: got me.. must have been looking in the wrong place |
| 19:25.11 | eap | helo: from the Readme, it does do cpio |
| 19:25.35 | kstar | Justin: Meaning? |
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| 19:26.15 | dkr | DexterF: you don't need a desktop manager to use a wm |
| 19:26.24 | ericP | in http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi what is the $(ip) command? |
| 19:26.29 | DexterF | dkr: hm, true. |
| 19:26.49 | ericP | i'm used to mucking with ip interfaces with ifconfig and route and arp |
| 19:26.56 | Justin | kstar: not sure, i don't know where on disk it looks for the file |
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| 19:27.30 | dkr | ericP: iproute2 it lets you do a lot more advanced stuff than those other tools you mentioned |
| 19:27.31 | kstar | Justin: We pass it, right? preseed/file=<filename>... Maybe that doesn't work with netboot images. |
| 19:27.47 | stew | ericP: ip is a replacement for ifconfig and route. it does everything those can do and much more. it is in the iproute package |
| 19:27.58 | Lonnie | OK, I have a question. I have installed Etch on an OLD laptop, several times over the last few days. As soon as I upgrade to Lenny, I can no longer boot the system. It seems to loose the hard drive. Any ideas? |
| 19:28.03 | ericP | stew, dkr, tx -- installing... |
| 19:28.07 | blazer11 | i need help with iscsi initiator, was working some how now my device does not show up under /dev/, i can connect to target just fine |
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| 19:29.15 | Justin | kstar: yeah, you pass it, but what I'm saying is I don't know where it looks for that file |
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| 19:29.30 | kstar | Justin: Ohh.. ok. Thanks a lot. |
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| 19:31.34 | DexterF | figured how to disable X/dm start entirely, but how would I do it "one shot" from the grub line? |
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| 19:32.22 | Justin | DexterF: can you boot normally, or does loading X crash your system or something? |
| 19:32.56 | ericP | http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi brought my 3945 back from being a vestige, but it did take suspiciously long (15s to go 15meters) for the first TCP connection |
| 19:32.59 | DexterF | Justin: can boot, but sometimes I need to tinker and not start X altogether. |
| 19:33.02 | ericP | i wonder if that portents doom |
| 19:33.07 | zo_orki | summarizartion: all installed programs are unsing not my preferred language eventhough i tried dpkg-reconfigure locales/console-data/console-common. A Relogin and a reboot didn't solve the problem, too. are there any other possibilities? |
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| 19:33.32 | Justin | DexterF: then customize one of the runlevels, something like rm /etc/rc4.d/S*gdm |
| 19:33.37 | valdyn | zo_orki: which app(s) ? |
| 19:33.41 | Justin | DexterF: then boot to runlevel 4 |
| 19:34.00 | DexterF | Justin: that's just the hackish workaround I needed, thanks |
| 19:34.26 | Justin | DexterF: not really hackish, it is how you are supposed to do it :) |
| 19:34.35 | zo_orki | kate, korganizer kaffeine eg. i dont really have more |
| 19:34.44 | valdyn | zo_orki: neat, what i thought |
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| 19:34.59 | DexterF | Justin: nah, "supposed" is this RL config tool (runlevel, not real life, wish I had one for that, too :P ) |
| 19:35.12 | valdyn | zo_orki: kde does not use those locales, use kde control center to change language |
| 19:35.29 | Justin | DexterF: oh, there are tools for it, but in the end all they do is add/remove the links |
| 19:35.44 | zo_orki | valdyn: i dont have kde ^^ |
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| 19:35.58 | valdyn | zo_orki: korganizer and kaffeine are part of kde |
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| 19:36.03 | DexterF | Justin: yah, but probably won't survive an upgrade then. well, ok, ill stick to that |
| 19:36.05 | valdyn | zo_orki: you most certainly have kde |
| 19:36.16 | zo_orki | i just use some of its apps. |
| 19:36.20 | Justin | DexterF: the upgrade should leave them alone |
| 19:36.33 | valdyn | zo_orki: maybe you dont run it monolithically, but that does not change where those programs get their configuration from |
| 19:36.36 | Justin | DexterF: AFAIK, it only adds links in if they are all missing |
| 19:37.05 | valdyn | zo_orki: try running "kcontrol" in a shell |
| 19:37.12 | helo | sonofa... initrd doesn't include setterm |
| 19:37.15 | zo_orki | valdyn: maybe. but how do i start kdecontrol now? |
| 19:38.03 | zo_orki | a, thx |
| 19:38.09 | helo | so i guess it is impossible to disable console blanking in an initrd... |
| 19:38.19 | zo_orki | bash: kcontrol: command not found |
| 19:38.25 | enouf | omg |
| 19:38.39 | valdyn | zo_orki: you can try "apt-get install kcontrol", see what it pulls |
| 19:38.56 | valdyn | zo_orki: you dont really want to hand edit those config files i think |
| 19:39.07 | Justin | helo: you can add things to the initrd |
| 19:39.10 | zo_orki | is it that difficult? |
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| 19:39.54 | zo_orki | kcontrol is not installed yet |
| 19:39.55 | helo | sounds like it would be pretty difficult... and i bet copying setterm from my system into the initrd wouldn't work... would it? |
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| 19:39.57 | Justin | helo: and if it is too big you could just make a C program that does the same thing, all setterm does it call an ioctl |
| 19:39.59 | enouf | helo: that'd be a kernel setting |
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| 19:40.21 | helo | enouf: the APM_whatever setting? |
| 19:40.35 | zo_orki | valdyn: can i install kcontrol change the settings and uninstall it afterwards? |
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| 19:40.45 | valdyn | zo_orki: yes |
| 19:40.55 | zo_orki | thank you. i'll try it |
| 19:40.56 | helo | hmmm... well it is only 20k maybe i'll try |
| 19:41.06 | enouf | though i recall someone using reset or clear plus some other hack to remove PS1, then the cursor bothered him :-P |
| 19:41.10 | Justin | helo: you'd need libncurses too most likely |
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| 19:41.25 | Lonnie | No takers on why an older laptop doesn't want to upgrade from Etch to Lenny properly? |
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| 19:41.42 | valdyn | Lonnie: most likely because you didnt read the upgrade guide |
| 19:41.57 | valdyn | Lonnie: oh, lenny, nm |
| 19:42.04 | enouf | helo: the quiet boot option isn't enough? |
| 19:42.10 | valdyn | Lonnie: maybe someone knows if you told us the actual error / problem |
| 19:42.15 | Lonnie | And anyone know why Debian is using that HORRIBLE new partitioning thing |
| 19:42.28 | jetscreamer | Lonnie: because you didn't tell it to use manual |
| 19:42.29 | enouf | Lonnie: wtf? |
| 19:42.46 | Lonnie | valdyn; it seems to loose the hard drive after an upgrade. |
| 19:42.47 | jetscreamer | Lonnie: just hit esc should give you something workable |
| 19:43.11 | helo | enouf: i want it to not blank due to inactivity |
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| 19:43.22 | enouf | zo_orki: kcontrol is the way into kcontrol center, which is all the userspace config for kde |
| 19:43.36 | enouf | helo: i misunderstand then |
| 19:43.39 | valdyn | Lonnie: tell literal errors, not what it "seems" |
| 19:43.57 | jetscreamer | oh boy yarb!!! yarb yarb yarb!!! |
| 19:43.59 | Lonnie | I do the base install, reboot, change the sources.list to testing, do a dist-upgrade, and it appears to loose the Hard Drive, gets as far as mount / partition and just sits there. |
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| 19:44.03 | helo | systemimager apparently didn't take the time to disable blanking, so while my image is being written the screen blanks and i can't see whether it is finished without attaching a keyboard to bring the screen back |
| 19:44.16 | jetscreamer | dpkg yarb is Yet Another ReBoot |
| 19:44.16 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 19:44.57 | Lonnie | No errors, get to mounting the / partition and sits there, then says can't find the drive. |
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| 19:45.10 | assasukasse | waaarg i am getting crazy, /dev/dsp can't be mapped, all the time and w/o reason..i dunno what is going on.. |
| 19:45.13 | enouf | Lonnie: alter your hdX to sdX upon reboot perhaps - seems you chose a boot param like generic.ide_generic_all=1 |
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| 19:45.43 | jetscreamer | Lonnie: how many ide controllers are in use (pata,sata,scsi) ? |
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| 19:45.57 | enouf | generic.all_generic_ide=1 <-- is correct (just to clarify that option) |
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| 19:45.58 | jetscreamer | !alsa checklist |
| 19:45.58 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is probably 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 19:46.06 | helo | oohh, what's this? busybox has a 'setconsole' |
| 19:46.10 | Lonnie | enouf; I let the system do the install, don't touch grub, just upgrade and loose the drive. |
| 19:46.32 | enouf | Lonnie: oh., my bad .. an Upgrade |
| 19:46.45 | enouf | Lonnie: nm .. follow others' advices |
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| 19:46.56 | Lonnie | jetscreamer; 1997 Hitachi laptop one IDE HD, one IDE CDROM drive and the floppy on a separate cable. |
| 19:47.02 | valdyn | Lonnie: which kernel change was involved with that? |
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| 19:47.03 | assasukasse | jetscreamer: cat /dev/urandom to /dev/dsp tells me Device or resource busy |
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| 19:47.16 | valdyn | Lonnie: or tell us the output of "uname -r" |
| 19:47.26 | helo | bah, that just moves the console to a tty |
| 19:47.55 | enouf | Lonnie: did you ever run update and upgrade prior to altering sources.list and then running dist-upgrade? |
| 19:48.31 | Lonnie | valdyn; the kernel went form 2.6.18-? to 2.6.22-? |
| 19:48.49 | jetscreamer | Lonnie: that's why (imo) |
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| 19:49.17 | jetscreamer | Lonnie: things change from /dev/hda to /dev/sda (et al) ... try uuid in fstab and menu.lst |
| 19:49.21 | valdyn | Lonnie: what enouf said is probably right, hda should be sda now |
| 19:49.28 | Lonnie | No, I didn't do that enouf, as I am using the netinstall version. |
| 19:49.48 | jetscreamer | next time use goodbye-windows.com if you're going to install testing |
| 19:49.50 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 19:50.05 | enouf | valdyn: hrm, even on a 1997 IDE HDD?, hrm.. ;-) |
| 19:50.21 | wols_ | enouf: has NOTHING to do with the hdd |
| 19:50.22 | jetscreamer | yes enouf |
| 19:50.32 | valdyn | enouf: that or he hit a real bug, yes |
| 19:50.35 | enouf | wols_: eww, jetscreamer yeah? |
| 19:50.35 | wols_ | ourely a drievr for the controller thing |
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| 19:50.40 | Lonnie | SO, after I do an upgrade, I need to check out what fstab and grub are telling me, is that the general consensus valdyn, jetscreamer and enouf |
| 19:50.41 | enouf | libata? |
| 19:50.46 | wols_ | enouf: yes |
| 19:50.58 | jetscreamer | Lonnie: imo yes |
| 19:51.04 | zo_orki | valdyn: i've started kcontrol, but i can't choose a new language. it just names english as possibility. can i download new language-packs? |
| 19:51.05 | enouf | i booted .23 kernels vanilla, and mine didn't change on my 1999 IDE 8.4GB HDD |
| 19:51.12 | enouf | whatever |
| 19:51.14 | valdyn | zo_orki: yes |
| 19:51.30 | valdyn | zo_orki: apt-cache search kde-i18n |
| 19:51.32 | enouf | ooops, no initrd , and not pure debian, i guess either |
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| 19:51.52 | jetscreamer | enouf: yeah no initrd is a workaround.. also so is no udev |
| 19:51.55 | enouf | (with that .23 boot) |
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| 19:52.09 | jetscreamer | for 'my' ide bug at least |
| 19:52.13 | Lonnie | OK, thanks very much folks, jetscreamer, enouf and valdyn. I'll give that a try and if it doesn't work, I'll take a couple notes. |
| 19:52.14 | enouf | jetscreamer: i see, thanks, also to wols_ and valdyn for the info |
| 19:52.22 | assasukasse | jetscreamer: any other thing i can try? |
| 19:52.33 | jetscreamer | Lonnie: an example is on http://linux.hfds.com/fstab iirc |
| 19:52.42 | enouf | wols_: no need to shout certain words at me :-P |
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| 19:53.11 | Lonnie | OK, I'll certainly check that out, thanks again jetscreamer. |
| 19:53.16 | enouf | (/me does it too sometimes for emphasis alone) |
| 19:53.34 | valdyn | Lonnie: a broken fstab will not make your system unable to boot |
| 19:53.36 | jetscreamer | Lonnie: an example is on http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab iirc |
| 19:53.41 | jetscreamer | rather |
| 19:53.58 | valdyn | Lonnie: but the grub stuff will ( though fstab still needs the fixing if its broken ) |
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| 19:54.05 | jetscreamer | also an example is on http://linux.hfds.com/files/menu.lst |
| 19:54.53 | jetscreamer | yeah i've had it boot and the fstab is borked come to think of it |
| 19:55.14 | Lonnie | OK, thanks folks, I'll see what happens, actually re-installed and left everything as Etch and just adding packages now. |
| 19:55.47 | valdyn | Lonnie: you know you can keep the old working kernel even if you install 2.6.22 |
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| 19:57.22 | helo | will it break anything if i rm -rf /usr/share/doc/* |
| 19:57.32 | valdyn | helo: sure |
| 19:57.37 | enouf | valdyn: wols_ jetscreamer i'm thinking maybe something in the procedure of him not doing an update + upgrade prior to altering sources.list and dist-upgrading might be missing out on an important "meta-package" , but it's just a hunch |
| 19:57.50 | helo | i'm trying to strip this install image down as much as possible |
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| 19:58.12 | Lonnie | valdyn; yes, but it would not boot to either kernel, so it was a configuration issue, at least that is what I'm thinking, watching the boot messages, if I see the HD mentioned as things scroll by, it boots, if not, it hangs, so I'm fairly sure it is happening in GRUB. |
| 19:58.22 | valdyn | enouf: that would be a debian bug too, one i dont know about |
| 19:58.29 | enouf | sorry, meant to add Lonnie into that too |
| 19:58.58 | enouf | valdyn: i recall issues like that when people were migrating from Sarge->Etch |
| 19:59.06 | valdyn | Lonnie: could be a missing driver in the initrd, without seeing the precise error i cant tell nothing |
| 19:59.31 | valdyn | enouf: I see |
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| 20:00.26 | Lonnie | Well, it has rebooted with the latest install, so it working at the moment. At 67% for adding X, xfce4, mc, etc, so working for now valdyn. |
| 20:00.34 | jetscreamer | helo: you might look at localepurge |
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| 20:01.58 | assasukasse | jetscreamer: problem solved |
| 20:02.03 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 20:02.07 | jetscreamer | how |
| 20:02.12 | jetscreamer | share how |
| 20:02.22 | assasukasse | please note for everyone using cdemu, cdemu-daemon is locking /dev/dsp and /dev/snd when running |
| 20:02.30 | assasukasse | keep it down and use only when needed |
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| 20:03.08 | Vejeta | Hello people, with debuild -us -uc I can do a .deb package from sources obtained with "apt-get source". How can you make a xxx-dev package? |
| 20:03.11 | enouf | valdyn: i recall sometimes the procedure (dist-upgrade) would remove the running kernel too (missing meta-package?) (maybe it was when just running dist-upgrade within sarge only) .. i can't recall all these bug details :-P |
| 20:03.14 | SexyKen | Anyone ever work with GPT partition tables? |
| 20:03.35 | msx98 | I have a question: is it possible to use TV instead of monitor on etch? |
| 20:03.36 | abrotman | still? |
| 20:03.40 | SexyKen | abrotman: still |
| 20:03.45 | jetscreamer | yes msx98 |
| 20:03.45 | abrotman | msx98: yes .. if oyur card can work wit it |
| 20:03.46 | SexyKen | The RAID Array is optimal |
| 20:03.56 | meeero | is there any way to stop software-raid-resync? |
| 20:04.05 | Lonnie | Thanks all, and later |
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| 20:04.12 | lynucs | hello |
| 20:04.13 | zo_orki | valdyn: thank you very much. everything works fine now. |
| 20:04.17 | msx98 | do I need a monitor to configure the TV-out? |
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| 20:04.38 | valdyn | meeero: yes, sure, but why would you do that? |
| 20:04.43 | jetscreamer | no not usually |
| 20:04.54 | jetscreamer | usually when you boot the tv will 'just work' in console |
| 20:05.05 | jetscreamer | it's the gui you need to configure |
| 20:05.10 | StucKman | hi all. is there a way (does not have to be simple) to convert a running debian into a bootable cd? |
| 20:05.16 | lynucs | which program should be installed, so that cron-apt can send me mails? i set up config properly, mail is set on always, but cron-apt just doesnt send any mail |
| 20:05.18 | abrotman | !info bootcd etch |
| 20:05.18 | jetscreamer | !live cd |
| 20:05.19 | dpkg | it has been said that livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 20:05.21 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.00 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 20:05.23 | meeero | because i need 100% of the server's hdd-performance right now, resync interfears way too much, i'd like to delay it |
| 20:05.23 | abrotman | StucKman: ^^^ |
| 20:05.26 | msx98 | but I can install kde or gnome just using tv-out, right? |
| 20:05.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you lose |
| 20:05.42 | jetscreamer | yes but you have to configure xorg properly meeero |
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| 20:05.56 | abrotman | jetscreamer: uh .. it's your running system .. it's already configured ? |
| 20:05.59 | meeero | xorg? |
| 20:06.07 | StucKman | abrotman: ack |
| 20:06.07 | jetscreamer | and not all xorg drivers will support tvout natively |
| 20:06.23 | jetscreamer | gui..x...xwindows... thing kde/gnome runs on |
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| 20:06.33 | abrotman | jetscreamer: read it again ? |
| 20:06.36 | jetscreamer | abrotman: you mean the tv out? yeah it just works |
| 20:06.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: nevermind .. i thought you were answering StucKman |
| 20:06.44 | lynucs | !cron-apt |
| 20:06.54 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i did on the one i lost on |
| 20:06.58 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:07.01 | jetscreamer | the cd |
| 20:07.03 | valdyn | meeero: see /proc/sys/dev/raid |
| 20:07.24 | SexyKen | Anyone familiar with this: |
| 20:07.24 | SexyKen | EXT2-fs error (device sdb1): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 256 not in group (block 0)! |
| 20:07.24 | SexyKen | EXT2-fs: group descriptors corrupted! |
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| 20:08.19 | jetscreamer | do NOT let it repair it |
| 20:08.19 | jetscreamer | you will be sorry i believe |
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| 20:08.21 | jetscreamer | it's not ext2 really is it |
| 20:08.21 | valdyn | SexyKen: backup, then fsck |
| 20:08.21 | SexyKen | I can't mount the disk. |
| 20:08.22 | jetscreamer | dd |
| 20:08.35 | msx98 | will it work or not? |
| 20:08.35 | SexyKen | I'm not sure I follow |
| 20:08.41 | jetscreamer | make a backup (dd) before you jack with it |
| 20:08.44 | Vejeta | SexyKen: you can use 'dd' to backup the device, just boot from a livecd or something. |
| 20:08.54 | SexyKen | I must boot from a livecd? |
| 20:08.55 | jetscreamer | you can dd it from whatever |
| 20:09.00 | jetscreamer | dd it now |
| 20:09.02 | SexyKen | The OS partition is separate, and functioning |
| 20:09.09 | StucKman | SexyKen: are you sure that's an ext2/ext3 partition? |
| 20:09.44 | SexyKen | Yes, it's an ext2 partition, I created it. |
| 20:09.51 | SexyKen | I have another server functioning fine with the same partition |
| 20:09.56 | SexyKen | This happened after an unclean shutdown |
| 20:10.39 | jetscreamer | well if it's really ext2 fsck might not be bad.. once i had an ext3 that fsck thought was an ext2 and it fuxored it up bad |
| 20:10.52 | SexyKen | So I issue dd how? |
| 20:11.05 | SexyKen | And it's a 2.6 terabyte partition |
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| 20:11.23 | meeero | so i shall do an echo integer > speed_limit_max ? |
| 20:11.25 | Vejeta | dd is to make an image of that partition...so if you don't have a place to save such a file... |
| 20:11.27 | jelly-home | SexyKen: you'll need that much space to copy it smewhere else |
| 20:11.33 | msx98 | so will tv-out run without any drivers? |
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| 20:12.11 | valdyn | msx98: if tv-out is on or off without drivers is a question to ask your hardware manual, not this channel |
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| 20:12.25 | SexyKen | I have a 12 terabyte array on a NAS box that's mounted via NFS |
| 20:12.33 | SexyKen | So I have 12 terabytes of available space I can move it to |
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| 20:13.43 | jelly-home | SexyKen: what I'd do: sysrq-s, sysrq-u, sysrq-b, reboot from a livecd or in single user mode (or anything that won't mount that partition), then make a copy with dd |
| 20:14.15 | SexyKen | What are those commands sysrq-s -u -b ? |
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| 20:14.32 | SexyKen | And it's simple, the partition WILL NOT MOUNT...period...it fails mount. |
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| 20:14.41 | SexyKen | So I'll be fine with the OS booted the way it is |
| 20:14.43 | jelly-home | SexyKen: ah, great, no need to reboot then |
| 20:14.50 | jelly-home | fwiw, |
| 20:14.53 | jelly-home | !sysrq |
| 20:14.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt |
| 20:14.57 | lynucs | does cron-apt need any software at all to be able to send mails?? or does cron-apt include already this feature? |
| 20:15.13 | limbeaux | net install hangs after decrompessing. any idead how to get around that? |
| 20:15.18 | SexyKen | So I dont need those commands, right jelly? |
| 20:15.26 | jelly-home | SexyKen: right. just make a copy |
| 20:15.42 | SexyKen | And how does one make the copy? |
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| 20:15.54 | jelly-home | SexyKen: with dd :-D |
| 20:15.55 | lynucs | limbeaux: it may be that a process waits for an input, which you can't do.. you can check it in the log |
| 20:16.05 | SexyKen | Searching google for dd doesn't return very specific results. |
| 20:16.06 | lynucs | limbeaux: i had this on my debian install |
| 20:16.12 | SexyKen | And the dd --help doesn't do justice. |
| 20:16.18 | limbeaux | i downloaded debian-testing-i386-netinst |
| 20:16.27 | limbeaux | cant check the log. |
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| 20:16.32 | lynucs | limbeaux: sure you can |
| 20:16.39 | limbeaux | how? |
| 20:16.40 | jelly-home | SexyKen: basically: dd if=/dev/wherever of=/mnt/foo/some.image bs=some-large-pwer-of-2 (say, "1M") |
| 20:16.44 | lynucs | limbeaux: did the live cd start? |
| 20:16.54 | lynucs | do you have any ncurses menu? |
| 20:17.14 | lynucs | limbeaux: or even kernel isnt loading? |
| 20:17.15 | limbeaux | i downloaded the net install disk and used install and installgui -- both hung |
| 20:17.26 | lynucs | limbeaux: where did it hang |
| 20:17.26 | SexyKen | Some large power of two? |
| 20:17.33 | limbeaux | i thnk kernel isn't loading |
| 20:17.59 | lynucs | limbeaux: if kernel isnt loading, then i can't help.. sorry.. i though it hung after loading the kernel |
| 20:18.00 | SexyKen | dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/where/iwant/the.image bs=1M |
| 20:18.09 | SexyKen | ? |
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| 20:18.18 | lynucs | limbeaux: you can't change even to a busybox? |
| 20:18.34 | lynucs | limbeaux: ctrl-alt-f2 or sth ? |
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| 20:19.04 | limbeaux | hit enter, decompress 1st file, the decompress secondfile , then it says OK, adn stays at a blank screen. i have to hit power because keyboard is no responsive |
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| 20:19.31 | abrotman | limbeaux: try acpi=off noapic |
| 20:20.06 | SexyKen | abrotman: You told me to issue dumpe2fs the other day, right? |
| 20:20.14 | limbeaux | i did see someone with this same prob on a spark but, it was due to 1gb of ram. they lowered their ram and everything loaded fine |
| 20:20.15 | abrotman | to look for alternate superblocks |
| 20:20.29 | limbeaux | ok, going to try acpi=off brb |
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| 20:21.19 | SexyKen | abrotman: What if the command stalls? |
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| 20:22.57 | SexyKen | abrotman: This is all that is shown: http://pastebin.ca/940169 |
| 20:23.11 | SexyKen | And then it just hangs, and doesn't even drop down to console. |
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| 20:24.00 | SexyKen | But it does that even on the server that is running fine. |
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| 20:27.27 | enouf | dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdaX |
| 20:27.44 | enouf | info coreutils dd |
| 20:28.19 | enouf | go find ddrescue, dd_rhelp, testdisk, autopsy, sleuthkit, etc |
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| 20:28.57 | SexyKen | enouf: dumpe2fs -h just shows the first part - but nothing about the superblocks and their backups |
| 20:29.27 | abrotman | SexyKen: it takes awhile sometimes |
| 20:29.35 | enouf | SexyKen: yeah |
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| 20:29.45 | SexyKen | You're right, I guess on 2.6 terabytes it takes about 30 minutes? |
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| 20:29.54 | SexyKen | odd - well at least it's flooding my screen with shit now. |
| 20:29.55 | SexyKen | :-) |
| 20:29.55 | abrotman | SexyKen: or read the man page .. see if there's an option for just superblocks |
| 20:30.04 | ViocS-Groquick | hello everybody |
| 20:30.15 | abrotman | dr neal! |
| 20:31.00 | ViocS-Groquick | I'm french so excuse my english. I'm looking for the E17 repositories for debian etch. Sommebody can help me please ? |
| 20:31.11 | valdyn | !e17 |
| 20:31.12 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 20:31.14 | abrotman | !fr |
| 20:31.15 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:31.19 | valdyn | !dr17 |
| 20:31.19 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/E17/repository/index.html or http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ (dead link?) |
| 20:31.25 | abrotman | but i think all the dr/e17 repos are dead |
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| 20:32.23 | ViocS-Groquick | ok thank you |
| 20:32.26 | ViocS-Groquick | bye |
| 20:32.35 | doomster | ViocS-Groquick: take a look at the developer's mailinglist, they have an autobuilder running that checks out CVS, compiles and installs the thing |
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| 20:32.37 | valdyn | dpkg: dr17 is <reply>[DR17 debs] http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/ |
| 20:32.38 | dpkg | ...but dr17 is already something else... |
| 20:32.44 | valdyn | dpkg: no, dr17 is <reply>[DR17 debs] http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/ |
| 20:32.45 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 20:34.49 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me eith this: http://pastebin.com/d75ff26fb ? |
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| 20:35.05 | SamuraiDio | it cames after an uptade on lenny/sid |
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| 20:35.35 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: how did you install that php? |
| 20:35.50 | SamuraiDio | aptitude |
| 20:36.04 | valdyn | !find libWand.so.9 |
| 20:36.14 | doomster | I wonder, does Linux have a pseudo-device which you can layer above another and it buffers write accesses? I need to repair a partition and would like to avoid having to back it up first. |
| 20:36.19 | wols_ | !tell SamuraiDio about search |
| 20:36.28 | wols_ | valdyn: part of imagick |
| 20:36.29 | Eulex | valdyn, looks like the one in testing/unstable |
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| 20:37.20 | valdyn | wols_: yea, but at '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/imagick.so' ? |
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| 20:39.19 | pobega | Hello again #debian, I'm having trouble with Apache2...It was working the other day (Same configs), then I removed it and installed lighttpd (To test), and now that I dumped lighttpd I can't get Apache to work...No matter what I do I get "The requested URL /index.php was not found on this server." |
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| 20:39.44 | SamuraiDio | sorry, i cant get what you are talking about.. is that a dependency problem |
| 20:40.03 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: yea |
| 20:40.07 | SamuraiDio | everything here (regarless to PHP and ImageMagick) was installed by aptitude |
| 20:40.09 | jelly-home | doomster: hm, qemu has copy-on-write, not sure if real devices can be used |
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| 20:41.27 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: libwand.so.9 is nowhere in debian, feel free to report a bug |
| 20:41.46 | wols_ | valdyn: case sensitive |
| 20:41.53 | wols_ | doN#t report a bug it is in debian |
| 20:42.09 | valdyn | /usr/lib/libWand.so.10.0.9 is in unstable |
| 20:42.15 | valdyn | and /usr/lib/libWand.so.10 |
| 20:42.16 | wols_ | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libWand.so.9&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 20:42.33 | SamuraiDio | hm |
| 20:42.56 | valdyn | wols_: but libWand.so.9 is neither in lenny nor sid |
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| 20:43.34 | dondelelcaro | if something is linking against libWand.so.9, it should be recompiled; if it hasn't happened, file a bug asking for a binNMU of it or similar. |
| 20:43.35 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: maybe your php is still from etch |
| 20:43.45 | dondelelcaro | (though generally such things should happen automatically) |
| 20:44.01 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: or maybe it isnt yet recompiled and you just need to wait or what dondelcaro sais |
| 20:44.07 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: dpkg -l |grep libmagick and dpkg -l |grep php |
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| 20:44.37 | SamuraiDio | but why remove php5imagick dont wipes the bug? |
| 20:44.42 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: if you really need it now you can recompile yourself |
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| 20:45.00 | SamuraiDio | i will not need it for some weeks |
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| 20:45.33 | Spee_Der | Good afternoon folks..... |
| 20:46.05 | SamuraiDio | ah, a purge wipes the error |
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| 20:46.13 | SamuraiDio | i'll just wait some weeks |
| 20:46.17 | SamuraiDio | tnx |
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| 20:47.49 | enouf | SamuraiDio: ever fix or figure out what happened with your / fs being mounted ro |
| 20:47.49 | LemensTS | How do i add my user to sudoers if I cant edit /etc/sudoers with vi because im not in the sudoers group? |
| 20:48.09 | valdyn | LemensTS: run visudo as root |
| 20:48.11 | keith4_ | can someone explain to me the difference between the debian packages "libsnmp-perl" and "libnet-snmp-perl" ? |
| 20:48.19 | wols_ | LemensTS: not possible. if you could it'd be a priviledge escapalation exploit |
| 20:48.31 | SexyKen | So I should dd the drive still? |
| 20:48.40 | SamuraiDio | enouf, no, my co-worker is working on that |
| 20:48.42 | LemensTS | valdyn: how do I do that thier is not root on debian default |
| 20:48.52 | keith4_ | yes there is |
| 20:48.56 | SexyKen | Is this the correct way to dd my drive? dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/where/iwant/the.image bs=1M |
| 20:48.59 | wols_ | LemensTS: wrong. there is. you were asked for a root password when you installed |
| 20:49.01 | enouf | SamuraiDio: still don't want to reboot and forcefsck? |
| 20:49.14 | wols_ | LemensTS: are you running debian or simply a debian based distro? |
| 20:49.15 | keith4_ | SexyKen: yes |
| 20:49.17 | stew | SexyKen: "cp /dev/sdb1 /where/i/want/the/image" is better |
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| 20:49.27 | SexyKen | Why is that better, stew? |
| 20:49.33 | SexyKen | About 4 or 5 people have said to 'dd' the drive. |
| 20:49.41 | SexyKen | Now you'er saying to cp - what's the diff? |
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| 20:49.47 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i suggested to reboot, but we need to wait the use goes low (its a VoIP Asterisk server) |
| 20:49.49 | stew | SexyKen: it would use a more optimal block size, and its easy enough to remember that you wouldn't have to be asking |
| 20:49.51 | SamuraiDio | enouf, tnx |
| 20:49.58 | stew | SexyKen: otherwise it is the same |
| 20:49.58 | LemensTS | wols_: Debian |
| 20:49.59 | enouf | stew: cp works without mounting? he said he can't mount it |
| 20:50.01 | valdyn | SexyKen: the difference is quite irrelevant, use whatever you like |
| 20:50.05 | stew | enouf: yes |
| 20:50.10 | wols_ | LemensTS: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 20:50.14 | enouf | SamuraiDio: ok, cool |
| 20:50.24 | enouf | stew: i thought so, ok, thanks |
| 20:50.26 | sohbettr-User124 | hi |
| 20:52.08 | LemensTS | wols_: Gave me: ii libc6 2.3.6.dsl-13etch4 GNU C Library: SHared libraries |
| 20:52.30 | SexyKen | This may take some time. It's doing about 500mb/sec only |
| 20:52.36 | wols_ | !forgot root password |
| 20:52.36 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 20:52.38 | enouf | stew: so cp has some built in FS-foo know how? or is able to work at the block level? seems odd that it can -- i wonder if one can then use "watch df" to see the transfer going on -- oops, guess not, if it's not mounted |
| 20:52.56 | wols_ | SexyKen: 500MB(s from disk to disk transfer? |
| 20:53.14 | SexyKen | wols_ from disk to nas to disk |
| 20:53.15 | stew | enouf: cp and dd do the same thing with the source file. open the file, read until eof, close the file |
| 20:53.18 | LemensTS | wols_: its grub |
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| 20:53.46 | keith4_ | stew: i think what enouf is suggested is that cp won't work on a block device |
| 20:53.47 | stew | enouf: (assuming no parameters such as skip or count or whatever are passed to dd) |
| 20:53.47 | wols_ | SexyKen: no way you reach 500MB/s then. 50MB/s maybe |
| 20:53.56 | enouf | stew: i see, so just a more optimal block size i guess as you noted |
| 20:54.11 | stew | enouf: yes, which for most arches is hardcoded to 4096k |
| 20:54.14 | valdyn | wols_: he has raids, or hes been talking about raids all the time |
| 20:54.17 | SexyKen | heh - well it's at 120gb since I started |
| 20:54.22 | enouf | stew: righto - yeah, the conv=noerrors stuff and sync and stuff |
| 20:54.28 | enouf | stew: right |
| 20:54.29 | wols_ | vlt: NAS? 10GGBitE network? |
| 20:54.31 | SexyKen | It's reading 495mb/sec |
| 20:54.32 | wols_ | even then... |
| 20:54.32 | jelly-home | wols_: from a local array to a decent NAS? 500MB/s is feasible |
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| 20:55.01 | keith4_ | mb != MB |
| 20:55.03 | enouf | keith4_: it will work on a block device, he explained how and why |
| 20:55.05 | jelly-home | in fact, that's a very good % use for a single 4Gbps fiber |
| 20:55.25 | bthornton | I'm running a 32-bit distro of Linux and just recently upgraded to 4GB of memory. The OS is only seeing 3.2GB of memory (no surprise there). If I just upgrade my kernel to the 64-bit version version, will that be enough to have all of my memory be recognized? |
| 20:55.31 | keith4_ | enouf: ok. good to know. trying to do 4 things at once, can't pay 100% attention |
| 20:55.38 | bthornton | Or will I need to change my entire distro to the 64-bit variant? |
| 20:55.44 | keith4_ | !bigmem |
| 20:55.44 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
| 20:55.57 | zinx | bthornton: most likely, yes |
| 20:55.57 | wols_ | bthornton: will be enought. but a single process will still never see more than 3.2GB of memory each |
| 20:56.09 | zinx | bthornton: and without the speed penalty of enabling bigmem or such in a 32-bit kernel |
| 20:56.12 | enouf | stew: sure, IIRC, some Sun/Solaris'? allow for manipulation of other than 4096 Block size, maybe it's only ext2/3 i'm thinking of |
| 20:56.25 | zinx | bthornton: debian includes 64-bit kernels for 32-bit x86 distributions |
| 20:56.40 | zinx | bthornton: it would be best to use those packages, or at least base your config off them |
| 20:56.40 | bthornton | zinx: yes as in it's enough to just change my kernel? |
| 20:56.44 | zinx | bthornton: yes |
| 20:56.53 | zinx | bthornton: but do note that the applications themselves will still be limited |
| 20:57.01 | xingu | fixed block sizes are so passe |
| 20:57.06 | stew | enouf: many filesystems allow for varying block sizes. this is the the size of the memory buffer used for copying, nothing to do with physical filesystem layout, however |
| 20:57.21 | zinx | bthornton: i.e., you won't be able to have a single process using more than 4GB of ram (minus whatever the libraries and kernel take) |
| 20:57.21 | enouf | stew: (psst, i know you meant 4K, not 4096k :-P) |
| 20:57.22 | bthornton | yeah I thought so... but still, I have a larger memory pool with the 64-bit kernel? |
| 20:57.32 | zinx | bthornton: kernel being not the entire kernel, by the way.. it has some strange stub thing; ) |
| 20:57.34 | bthornton | just a smaller memory... swimsuit? |
| 20:57.38 | stew | enouf: no, i meant 4096k |
| 20:57.41 | zinx | bthornton: yes |
| 20:57.47 | enouf | stew: oh crap - ok ,nm then |
| 20:57.49 | zinx | bthornton: the system as a whole will be able to use all of your memory |
| 20:57.50 | bthornton | awesome. |
| 20:57.59 | stew | enouf: cp uses a 4MiB buffer |
| 20:58.13 | stew | (on most arches) |
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| 20:58.48 | bthornton | thanks! |
| 20:58.48 | enouf | stew: i see, thanks |
| 20:58.58 | limbeaux | thanks to whoever told me to use acpi=off |
| 20:59.02 | limbeaux | that worked |
| 20:59.13 | enouf | !beer abrotman |
| 20:59.21 | abrotman | yay! |
| 20:59.25 | limbeaux | now, i would like to install kde4 on lenny -- does that work yet? |
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| 20:59.39 | helo | if i mirror a bunch of images across multiple machines, and change the hostnames, is there something i should do to regenerate ssh host keys, etc? passwordless ssh is taking forever to log in |
| 20:59.42 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 21:00.00 | limbeaux | ok -- will ask over there |
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| 21:00.34 | jelly-home | SexyKen: heh, care to pastebin a couple lines from "vmstat 1" while dd is running? |
| 21:01.59 | helo | i should have said "mirror a single image onto multiple machines" |
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| 21:04.45 | Tramp | helo: different hosts should have different hostkeys. However, the timeout you experience is most likely a DNS issue |
| 21:07.23 | stew | derPUPE_: please turn that off in here |
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| 21:09.43 | jescis | What's the name of version 4.0r3? |
| 21:09.51 | Eulex | etch |
| 21:09.57 | Eulex | update 3 |
| 21:10.03 | jescis | ah, thanks |
| 21:10.12 | cyzie | hi, how do i enable 3d accerelaration on my onboard vga intel card? |
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| 21:10.14 | limbeaux | debian -kde people are very quiet |
| 21:10.36 | limbeaux | as a matter of fact no one is saying anything at all! |
| 21:10.46 | jescis | I'm on console |
| 21:11.29 | jescis | Haven't got my X to work, and I don't want it too. |
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| 21:24.28 | Eulex | it's a shame security support is ending for sarge; my server is absolutely rock stable with it. |
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| 21:24.59 | [beginner] | hello |
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| 21:26.07 | [beginner] | what iso should I download to install Debian using VPN connection? |
| 21:26.28 | stew | [beginner]: a netinst |
| 21:26.46 | [beginner] | does it support ppp connection (not pppoe) |
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| 21:28.05 | jelly-home | doomster: fwiw, found this: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/3/3/97 |
| 21:29.37 | stew | [beginner]: yes. you might want to read the install guide: /msg dpkg i-g |
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| 21:30.01 | [beginner] | stew: thanks |
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| 21:32.52 | MrRoland | hello, I have this vmadd.ko module, and I need it to load on boot, how do I do that |
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| 21:33.34 | wfq | hi |
| 21:33.37 | stew | MrRoland: add "vmadd" to /etc/modules |
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| 21:35.40 | MrRoland | and where to add the vmadd.ko file? |
| 21:35.59 | stew | MrRoland: where did it come from in the first place? |
| 21:36.14 | MrRoland | i compiled it... |
| 21:36.32 | stew | MrRoland: and the makefiles don't have an "install" target to install it? |
| 21:36.48 | MrRoland | didn't used it |
| 21:36.56 | MrRoland | just typed make and insmod vmadd.ko |
| 21:37.03 | wfq | how can tell the bot to show me the information for installing the 4965 AGN wireless network card |
| 21:37.08 | MrRoland | i only have the vmadd.ko now |
| 21:37.21 | wols_ | !ipw4965 |
| 21:37.21 | dpkg | from memory, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree> |
| 21:37.44 | wfq | thanks |
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| 21:38.30 | stew | MrRoland: mkdir -p /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc ; and copy the file to that directory, then run "depmod -a" |
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| 21:40.18 | ShiftOnYou | hi all |
| 21:40.22 | sausage | howdy |
| 21:40.34 | ShiftOnYou | how can i show all my installed harddisks on my debian? |
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| 21:40.55 | stew | ShiftOnYou: fdisk -l |
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| 21:41.03 | ShiftOnYou | ty |
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| 21:41.40 | sausage | how hard is it to make a usb flash drive show as a hdd? |
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| 21:42.04 | sausage | the program i need installed requires that the hdd be hd1 |
| 21:42.14 | sausage | but im installed on a flash |
| 21:42.27 | sausage | so it errors out upon write requests |
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| 21:42.44 | MrRoland | stew thank you. is that all ? |
| 21:42.47 | sausage | hence no hd1 |
| 21:42.48 | ShiftOnYou | now i see two 750gb harddisks with system Linux raid autodetect ... how do i disable that raid? i want 1.5 tb not 750gb :D |
| 21:43.02 | sausage | your mirrored? |
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| 21:43.10 | sausage | and want striped? |
| 21:43.12 | ShiftOnYou | not me ... the hoster |
| 21:43.38 | MrRoland | stew did that, module not loaded on boot |
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| 21:44.24 | sausage | anyone know about the usb deal? |
| 21:44.35 | stew | MrRoland: what happens when you run "modprobe vmadd" |
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| 21:45.21 | safar | hello |
| 21:45.34 | safar | plz guys what the diff between ubuntu and debian ? |
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| 21:45.49 | zinx | safar: they are different distributions |
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| 21:46.27 | zinx | safar: google for "ubuntu vs debian" |
| 21:46.34 | safar | but all prog from ubuntu will work in debian ? |
| 21:46.46 | safar | like compez Awn video prog |
| 21:46.50 | safar | compiz |
| 21:47.08 | MrRoland | stew nothing, and the module is not shown on lsmod |
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| 21:47.40 | sausage | http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
| 21:47.46 | sausage | safar |
| 21:47.52 | safar | yes? |
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| 21:48.19 | safar | oh ok ty :D |
| 21:48.24 | sausage | thats an old guide how to install it |
| 21:48.36 | sausage | so then there must be a new guide somewhere |
| 21:48.37 | stew | MrRoland: nothing? no error? |
| 21:48.39 | zinx | safar: the programs will work.. whether they're packaged or not is a different matter |
| 21:48.59 | stew | MrRoland: did anything show up in dmesg? |
| 21:49.01 | safar | and which easier ubuntu or debian for noob like me |
| 21:49.07 | sausage | if the program is in source then you can compile it |
| 21:49.22 | sausage | mepis |
| 21:49.25 | zinx | safar: in particular, i think Debian has an older version of the X libraries which prevents newer compiz from being compiled (I believe the newer one Ubuntu has is still experimental) |
| 21:49.36 | jelly-home | safar: ubuntu is probably easier of the two |
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| 21:49.52 | sausage | mepis is way easy to get use to |
| 21:50.02 | sausage | its based off ubuntu |
| 21:50.04 | safar | what is mepis? |
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| 21:50.25 | sausage | it has really goot network support for wifi as well |
| 21:50.30 | sausage | good |
| 21:50.38 | MrRoland | stew driver succesfully loaded, thank you for your help |
| 21:50.52 | sausage | out of the box wifi almost 100% |
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| 21:51.13 | safar | hmm |
| 21:51.14 | sausage | you should just try them all |
| 21:51.19 | MrRoland | however it seems like debian has a lack of performance |
| 21:51.20 | MrRoland | :) |
| 21:51.23 | safar | and is there any way to install debian in to SD card? |
| 21:51.24 | MrRoland | Timing cached reads: 7444 MB in 2.00 seconds = 3725.35 MB/sec |
| 21:51.32 | sausage | sure |
| 21:51.36 | MrRoland | i get minimum of 5000 on all other distros |
| 21:51.37 | sausage | get dsl |
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| 21:51.52 | sausage | 50 meg debian |
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| 21:52.04 | zinx | sausage: 50 meg dsl :P |
| 21:52.06 | sausage | runs on a mini cd |
| 21:52.10 | zinx | sausage: debian-based distributions aren't debian |
| 21:52.20 | sausage | you can pump them up |
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| 21:52.42 | sausage | add packages |
| 21:52.57 | sausage | i dont think he really needs a full blown debian |
| 21:53.06 | sausage | based should be fine |
| 21:53.36 | zinx | sausage: i'm not saying they aren't useful, just that they aren't debian.. you can't "pump them up" to full debian either, they're different distributions |
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| 21:53.47 | Nyle | zinx, but |
| 21:53.54 | Nyle | dsl "claims" |
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| 21:54.07 | zinx | sausage: so be aware that when you tell people about them, we aren't going to be able to provide support to them here (because we only provide support for Debian here) |
| 21:54.11 | Nyle | that you can install a full fledged debian system from stable using dsl |
| 21:54.16 | Nyle | on thier website |
| 21:54.43 | Nyle | they say they use only debian packages and stuff and don't modify them |
| 21:54.55 | Nyle | maybe I'm wrong but thats what they say or I remember |
| 21:55.04 | Nyle | though it is in no way on topic for #debian |
| 21:55.11 | sausage | lol |
| 21:55.16 | zinx | Nyle: oh, well, i suppose that's different then.. that's not the norm for third-party distros, however |
| 21:55.24 | Nyle | zinx, you are right |
| 21:56.08 | sausage | ive always used debian tuts for dsl |
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| 21:56.18 | Nyle | but why don't you just use debian? |
| 21:56.26 | sausage | to big |
| 21:56.31 | sausage | for some systems |
| 21:56.54 | sausage | one of my laptops is 800mb |
| 21:57.15 | sausage | and takes a non standard hdd |
| 21:57.24 | Nyle | I tried some debian based live distro back in the day... I used it for a while, I joined here asking for help. They said they don't support other stuff. I got pissed off and left. Later college buddy gave me debian, I tried debian back in 2001 that same year, and well, here I am. |
| 21:57.39 | stew | sausage: what problems do you have installing debian onto your laptop? |
| 21:57.51 | Nyle | stew, its too big! |
| 21:57.54 | sausage | no usb or cd rom |
| 21:58.00 | wfq | hi gusy |
| 21:58.06 | wfq | this link is failing for me deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 21:58.08 | sausage | hdd is only 800mb |
| 21:58.14 | stew | sausage: 800mb is plenty |
| 21:58.26 | Nyle | wfq, does it not resolve? what is the error |
| 21:58.27 | sausage | not for workspace |
| 21:58.28 | wfq | do you know where I can download the 2.6.22 debian kernel |
| 21:58.42 | abrotman | sausage: lay off the enter key |
| 21:58.42 | Nyle | wfq, packates.debian.org |
| 21:58.44 | wfq | Nyle, is telling me something with the public key |
| 21:58.54 | Nyle | er.. packages.debian.org |
| 21:58.56 | Nyle | wfq, /topic |
| 21:59.07 | Nyle | wfq, about keys, in topic |
| 21:59.09 | wfq | but I wnat to install it by using apt-get install |
| 21:59.20 | Nyle | wfq, which debian release are you suing? |
| 21:59.27 | sausage | 50mb dsl for web browsing or full blown debian? i know it can be done but why use all my space just for packages i dont need |
| 21:59.37 | wols_ | !tell wfq about backports |
| 21:59.47 | wfq | etch 4.0 |
| 21:59.58 | Nyle | do what the bot said in msg, and insall the kernel |
| 22:00.04 | sausage | what i need to know is how to get the os to force write to usb |
| 22:00.14 | Nyle | sausage, it just depends on how you mount |
| 22:00.18 | stew | sausage: no, 800 mb is not enough for a graphical install of debian. if you want to discuss dsl, please do it in #damnsmalllinux |
| 22:00.22 | sausage | the program i use needs to write to hd1 |
| 22:00.48 | stew | sausage: and you are trying to run this program in damnsmalllinux? |
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| 22:00.52 | sausage | i just mentioned dsl im not even running it |
| 22:01.11 | stew | sausage: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:01.20 | Nyle | but if debian is too big, then you are not using debian, cuz you didnt install it |
| 22:01.21 | sausage | ill be running it in debian |
| 22:01.23 | Nyle | so why are you here? |
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| 22:01.38 | Nyle | oh |
| 22:01.50 | Nyle | which application? and where will you install debian? |
| 22:01.52 | sausage | stew im not on the os |
| 22:01.53 | stew | sausage: what exactly do you mean by dh1? |
| 22:02.06 | sausage | hard drive 1 |
| 22:02.07 | stew | sausage: then i don't know how we'd be able to help you |
| 22:02.13 | stew | sausage: what is 'hard drive 1' |
| 22:02.24 | sausage | the os will be installed on a usb flash |
| 22:02.27 | Nyle | hda1? taking a wild guess |
| 22:02.44 | stew | sausage: well come back once it is |
| 22:02.46 | sausage | but the program is requesting to write to hda1 |
| 22:03.03 | stew | sausage: what program? |
| 22:03.08 | sausage | i cant rewrite the program since its closed source |
| 22:03.17 | sausage | its a videogame |
| 22:03.33 | stew | sausage: ask its authors then |
| 22:03.51 | sausage | i would if i could |
| 22:03.56 | sausage | obviously |
| 22:04.04 | Nyle | but why #debian? |
| 22:04.16 | sausage | because its a debian question |
| 22:04.22 | stew | sausage: so you are asking us how you can get a program which isn't yet installed, which you won't tell us what it is, and is closed source, to write to 'hda1' from an os that isn't yet installed? |
| 22:04.24 | Nyle | but you don't even use debian |
| 22:04.39 | jJz | sausage: videogame writing to hda1? that's crazy |
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| 22:04.53 | Nyle | jJz, this whole thing is crazy ;) |
| 22:04.55 | stew | sausage: we're not going to be able to help you until at least you have debian installed, |
| 22:04.59 | stew | sausage: unless you are having trouble actually getting debian installed |
| 22:05.03 | MrRoland | how do I enable colorized LS |
| 22:05.03 | MrRoland | ? |
| 22:05.15 | Nyle | MrRoland, ls --color=always |
| 22:05.19 | sausage | its a computer running debian all i need is to make the os show the device as hda1 not sda1 |
| 22:05.24 | Nyle | MrRoland, check .bashrc for ls alias |
| 22:05.27 | Nyle | MrRoland, man ls |
| 22:05.31 | MrRoland | aright |
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| 22:05.35 | stew | sausage: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:05.56 | sausage | i dont know |
| 22:06.06 | sausage | i just wanted to chat about it |
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| 22:06.09 | stew | sausage: then type "uname -r" at a prompt, and tell us what is returned |
| 22:06.11 | Nyle | stew has the patience of a fucking saint. |
| 22:06.15 | Nyle | I'll give him that |
| 22:06.19 | Nyle | damn. |
| 22:07.00 | sausage | i dont need step by step right now i just wanted to bat around ideas |
| 22:07.22 | sausage | just chatting about debian and the way it works |
| 22:07.26 | stew | sausage: ok. i would probably suggest using udev |
| 22:07.33 | stew | sausage: what version of udev is installed? |
| 22:08.00 | sausage | this is all hypothetical |
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| 22:08.15 | stew | sausage: then the answer is "with udev" |
| 22:08.17 | sausage | thanks for being so cool though stew |
| 22:08.31 | wols_ | sausage: either you clearly explain what you want to do or no one can help you |
| 22:08.39 | wols_ | stew: he hasn't installed any linux yet I gather |
| 22:08.58 | sausage | the computer isnt here |
| 22:08.58 | stew | wols_: i don't see any reason to believe that he is lying |
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| 22:09.25 | wols_ | stew: he tries to decide if to install DSL or debian |
| 22:09.37 | stew | wols_: no |
| 22:09.43 | sausage | when i go in there will be no internet or ability to chat |
| 22:09.50 | jJz | sausage: videogame writing directly to hda1 isn't just hypothetical. it's insane |
| 22:10.08 | sausage | all i will have is a computer with debian installed and a videogame |
| 22:10.09 | Nyle | yeh really |
| 22:10.21 | wols_ | sausage: hd1 uses what filesystem? |
| 22:10.27 | damog | stew: where's rcox?! |
| 22:10.32 | Nyle | jJz, what is the name of this video game bro? |
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| 22:10.35 | sausage | ext2 |
| 22:10.36 | stew | damog: about 4 feet from here |
| 22:10.40 | Nyle | damog, hi |
| 22:10.51 | sausage | its a bar videogame system |
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| 22:10.57 | damog | stew: she doesn't do irc anymore? :) |
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| 22:11.02 | damog | Nyle: sup, homie! |
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| 22:11.15 | wols_ | sausage: have you installed any linux yet on that flash or or elsewhere on the system? |
| 22:11.19 | Nyle | damog, having my bday today, about to go out to dinner |
| 22:11.28 | sausage | the system runs great |
| 22:11.33 | stew | damog: she hasn't been on this network, no. although baseball season starts very soon, so i'd expect her to return |
| 22:11.34 | damog | Nyle: congratulations! enjoy! |
| 22:11.37 | Nyle | damog, I will come to the city in the weekend |
| 22:11.40 | Nyle | damog, thanks man |
| 22:11.42 | sausage | when installed to a hard drive on ide |
| 22:11.57 | Nyle | ahh yes baseball |
| 22:12.19 | Nyle | very nice woman |
| 22:12.19 | sausage | but when installed to flash the program crashes when trying to write to hd since there isnt one installed |
| 22:12.23 | Nyle | kind and courteous |
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| 22:12.31 | Nyle | as much I spoke with her |
| 22:12.41 | wols_ | sausage: name of that game? |
| 22:12.51 | sausage | it has no name |
| 22:13.04 | fas3r | if i want to use apt command in a script ( bash or sh) i need to add -y option to automate the installation ? |
| 22:13.10 | wols_ | sausage: why would a game directly write to hdd without going through the filesystem? |
| 22:13.13 | Nyle | wols_, I threw in the towel about 10 minutes ago |
| 22:13.25 | ShiftOnYou | does somebody know the hoster ovh.de? |
| 22:13.27 | sausage | i have no idea |
| 22:13.37 | wols_ | sausage: WHAT does it write to hdd? |
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| 22:13.53 | sausage | scores |
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| 22:14.19 | wols_ | scores wouldn't be written to hdd without going through the filesystem. is it a linux game? or a windows one? |
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| 22:14.24 | sausage | there are multiple games one of them is darts |
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| 22:14.45 | sausage | its made directly for linux |
| 22:14.58 | wols_ | sausage: and it runs as normal user or as root only? |
| 22:15.17 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 22:15.19 | sausage | the systems didnt have usb before but they do now and i wat to run the os from it |
| 22:15.31 | triptec | I know this might be the wrong forum for my question, but anyway.. my isp is offering 100/10 mbit half-duplex.. could someone explain what the half-duplex will do.. is it like while uploading at 10mbit I'll only get a 90mbit download? |
| 22:15.34 | valdyn | sausage: this sounds like an embedded gaming system, why does it not come with its own "distro" ? |
| 22:15.35 | sausage | root it needs no protection |
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| 22:15.46 | Nyle | damog, hey buddy don't busy on weekend sometime probably saturday |
| 22:15.51 | sausage | why pay people to make it? |
| 22:15.52 | wols_ | triptec: you don't get any download while uploading |
| 22:16.07 | Ace2016 | When i press the lcd brightness up/down keys a little dialogue comes up, i think its a part of gnome's power management comes up and shows the brightness level |
| 22:16.14 | wols_ | sausage: it must run as root? |
| 22:16.17 | sausage | just use debian and then make a game for it |
| 22:16.24 | sausage | yeah |
| 22:16.25 | valdyn | sausage: its made already, unless you are telling me they never ran their stuff when the designed it |
| 22:16.27 | Ace2016 | what do i run to get a similar dialogue for volume up/down and mute??? |
| 22:16.56 | m_dige | can someone tell me why I need linux-modules to install virtualbox-ose when I have a custom made kernel ? |
| 22:17.04 | valdyn | sausage: or maybe you are trying to create this whole thing, but thats not what you told us |
| 22:17.08 | triptec | wols_: well that can't be true, cuz I'm on 10/10 halfduplex right now and I quite often get 5/5 while using torrents |
| 22:17.18 | sausage | im not |
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| 22:17.27 | wols_ | triptec: yes. with full duplex you could get 10/10 |
| 22:17.42 | wols_ | triptec: when downloading it won't upload and vice versa. as I told you |
| 22:17.58 | sausage | i just want to replace the hdd with a usb flash |
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| 22:18.19 | wols_ | sausage: unless you tell us more about the error we cannot help. probably not even then it being closed source |
| 22:18.21 | Ace2016 | m_dige: virtualbox loads a custom kernel driver, i recommend you use the non ose version of virtualbox, its faster, and when the deb is installed it compiles the kernel module |
| 22:18.25 | triptec | okay so if uploading at 5 then would that give me a 50 download? |
| 22:18.31 | valdyn | sausage: and you want to replace the whole distro? |
| 22:18.36 | triptec | having 100/10.. |
| 22:18.37 | sausage | no |
| 22:18.48 | sausage | all i need to do is fool the program |
| 22:18.54 | valdyn | sausage: ok |
| 22:18.55 | wols_ | triptec: go to wikipedia and look what half duplex means |
| 22:19.02 | m_dige | Ace2016: Okay. I only thought that ose was free |
| 22:19.02 | valdyn | sausage: so this really isnt a debian question |
| 22:19.27 | valdyn | sausage: this is really easy so solve, but you are hiding facts |
| 22:19.36 | MrRoland | any nice tutorial how to recompile kernel ? using my own ? |
| 22:19.49 | sausage | rewrite some code in the OS so it makes anything needing to write hd1 write to sda1 |
| 22:19.50 | wols_ | !tell MrRoland about kernel-package |
| 22:19.50 | triptec | isn't it that packets only can go one direction at a time? |
| 22:19.52 | Ace2016 | m_dige: ose is the open source version, it free so debian put it in the repos, the closed source version has some proprietary bits, its faster and has a driver that can be installed by the guest for some usefull features and a performance boost |
| 22:19.55 | valdyn | sausage: no |
| 22:19.57 | valdyn | !ln |
| 22:19.58 | dpkg | i heard ln is 'man ln' |
| 22:20.12 | valdyn | sausage: read the ln mangpage, that might be enough to get this solved |
| 22:20.15 | abrotman | nice |
| 22:20.25 | m_dige | Ace2016: okay. So I just download it from their website ? |
| 22:20.28 | triptec | I'll check wiki thx anyway |
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| 22:20.44 | XLV | triptec, no, cause up to now you had sync up/down... the acks had enough bw to compensate with half dublex.. now that your download is 10 times greater, and still hd, i dont think you will be able to get the full 100Mbit from the down bw |
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| 22:21.05 | Ace2016 | argh, xorg crashed again :( |
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| 22:21.16 | sausage | i just figured it would be easy to make the usb mount as hda1 |
| 22:21.20 | wols_ | XLV: you can. depending hhat else you do and how big the packets are |
| 22:21.23 | sausage | or anything i want |
| 22:21.35 | valdyn | sausage: youre confused |
| 22:21.39 | XLV | wols_, torrents he mentioned... small packets |
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| 22:21.44 | sausage | i bet i am |
| 22:21.49 | valdyn | sausage: mounting is something that is not involved when something writes to hda1 |
| 22:21.56 | Ace2016 | oh yea thats great, i decide to run it in the command line and pipe the output into a log file and it works |
| 22:21.58 | sausage | thats right |
| 22:22.09 | valdyn | sausage: so create a symlink, i already told you |
| 22:22.18 | metakey | hello how do I setup a PC to allow remote login ? |
| 22:22.33 | wols_ | metakey: install ssh server |
| 22:23.09 | valdyn | sausage: maybe you need to read up on what a device node really is |
| 22:23.13 | sausage | so that will make any program write to usb when it needs to write to hda1 |
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| 22:23.17 | enouf | valdyn: Nyle he; sausage was already pointed at /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html in another channel prior to him ever coming in here and with almsot exact params |
| 22:23.19 | sausage | i do need to read a lot |
| 22:23.27 | valdyn | enouf: ah |
| 22:23.33 | metakey | wols: the ssh server will allow me to login using a user I have previuosly created in debian? |
| 22:23.33 | bartho | where can i find the path where the mysql have the database files? |
| 22:23.45 | wols_ | metakey: yes |
| 22:23.48 | valdyn | totally newbie trying to "hack" an embedded system |
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| 22:24.15 | sausage | im not trying to hack anything i just want to replace a drive |
| 22:24.31 | valdyn | sausage: i understand , i just call that "hack" |
| 22:24.39 | metakey | wols: is there any file that needs to be configured for ssh to work ? |
| 22:24.43 | sausage | i have already wrote down the key words and will research when i leave |
| 22:24.46 | sausage | ok |
| 22:24.48 | valdyn | sausage: i'm not calling it illegal |
| 22:24.54 | wols_ | metakey: no |
| 22:24.55 | sausage | yeah |
| 22:25.34 | sausage | im going to read up on udev |
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| 22:26.00 | sausage | but there are always multiple roads so i figured id get multiple ideas |
| 22:26.14 | valdyn | sausage: hda1 only points to certain hardware because that is a tradition, it could point to anything, what it points to depends on major and minor numbers |
| 22:26.27 | metakey | and how do I find my remote server from the Internet? do I have to use an IP address ? will a dyndns name work? |
| 22:26.27 | valdyn | sausage: you can make hda1 point to any random device |
| 22:26.37 | sausage | i could just get a flash to ide adapter |
| 22:26.48 | metakey | sorry It was a question for wols: |
| 22:26.55 | sausage | thats what i figured im not a linux guru though obviously |
| 22:27.19 | valdyn | !symlink |
| 22:27.20 | dpkg | Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first |
| 22:27.57 | sausage | thanks |
| 22:28.12 | sausage | ive copied this page and will google the points you have made |
| 22:28.17 | fas3r | it's possible with command cut to delimit with space ? |
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| 22:28.42 | jelly-home | fas3r: yes? |
| 22:28.59 | metakey | wols: I installed ssh now. How do I test if the connection is possible? I am using this PC as the client my server is up and running just waiting now. |
| 22:29.14 | sausage | i have an old laptop with no cdrom or usb booting what distro has the ability to install from a network? |
| 22:29.20 | wols_ | metakey: what OS on the client? |
| 22:29.24 | sausage | no os eighter |
| 22:29.24 | dondelelcaro | sausage: debian does. |
| 22:29.30 | wols_ | sausage: debian |
| 22:29.36 | dondelelcaro | sausage: assuming you can network boot your laptop, anyway. |
| 22:29.40 | sausage | just whatever the newest iso is |
| 22:29.48 | dondelelcaro | !ig |
| 22:29.49 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 22:29.50 | metakey | wols ubuntu in the client debian in the server |
| 22:29.56 | sausage | thats the problem |
| 22:30.03 | dondelelcaro | sausage: see the documentation above for information on how to configure it. |
| 22:30.07 | sausage | i have no os... linux hates my laptop |
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| 22:30.07 | fas3r | jelly-home: with the option -f ... |
| 22:30.25 | wols_ | metakey: ssh <ip of server> |
| 22:30.42 | dondelelcaro | sausage: if you can boot off of the network, then it's not problem. If you cannot, and you don't have a floppy to enable it, the easiest thing is to take the drive out and install it using a desktop or some other computer |
| 22:30.47 | sausage | it boots fine then x is all messed up so id like to try debian on it i think |
| 22:30.55 | metakey | wols: thanks. I will try now |
| 22:31.19 | sausage | thats what i did but the os wont boot when i install with another pc |
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| 22:31.41 | sausage | dont they have a live grub or something? |
| 22:31.44 | dondelelcaro | sausage: if X is screwed up, then it's booting. Try to be accurate with what you're saying. |
| 22:31.56 | sausage | so i can boot from usb even if the laptop bios wont? |
| 22:32.29 | jelly-home | fas3r: quote the space, cut ... -f' ' ... or escape it with \, cut ... -f\ ... |
| 22:32.35 | wols_ | sausage: no |
| 22:32.43 | sausage | ive been looking for something like that for a long time |
| 22:32.43 | fas3r | oki thank jelly-home ;) |
| 22:33.01 | wols_ | sausage: it will boot if you can load the kernel from somewhere else than USB |
| 22:33.12 | sausage | yeah like floppy |
| 22:33.30 | jelly-home | fas3r: or use awk in the simplest possible way: echo a b c | awk '{print $2}' # outputs b |
| 22:33.55 | metakey | wols: is it a problem if the client and server share the same IP address? |
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| 22:34.20 | wols_ | metakey: yes cause that's not possible irrelevant from ssh. just not possible |
| 22:34.34 | sausage | so there is no grub floppy boot disk? |
| 22:34.35 | metakey | wols: Ok got it |
| 22:35.08 | sausage | thats would be amazing if there was a way to do that |
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| 22:35.17 | metakey | wols: I will have to find another IP from which to try ssh. |
| 22:35.29 | sausage | im guessing the 2.6 kernel is larger than 1.5meg though |
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| 22:35.39 | wols_ | metakey: no. you MUST change your IPs to be unique |
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| 22:36.16 | sausage | later guys and thanks again |
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| 22:36.34 | fas3r | jelly-home: last question when it return the result on two line i need to use awk ? |
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| 22:37.02 | metakey | wols: I am using an ISP that gives me a dynamic IP address. I have installed dyndns client on the server PC thinking it would help to find that PC in the Net. |
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| 22:37.06 | jelly-home | fas3r: pastebin an example and what you want to get out of it |
| 22:37.19 | lontra | how would i mount a cdrom with the option to execute binary files? |
| 22:37.37 | triptec | checked wiki and google, couldn't find any answer so I ask again:100/10 half-duplex is like 10/9, 50/5, 90/1 or 90/10, 95/5, 99/1?? |
| 22:37.41 | fas3r | jelly-home: simple example http://pastebin.com/m7307726c |
| 22:38.26 | fas3r | it return $toto on the first line and /apt on the second .. not on the same line |
| 22:38.52 | karmatronic | hello there |
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| 22:39.04 | unseensoul | hi |
| 22:39.43 | muramasa | Hello all. I'm currently using ntfs-3g to mount my ntfs drive, as there's still alot of important things on it to me. It seems like there''s a problem with identifying all files, like they have been deleted. Though, the partition is intact from inside of windows. Is this a common bug, and is it possible to correct it? |
| 22:40.08 | jelly-home | fas3r: ok, and you want to cut what? |
| 22:40.47 | sigmonsays | Yo |
| 22:41.00 | triptec | muramasa: I've never had any problem with it.. |
| 22:41.02 | sigmonsays | Anyone aware of an in memory file system that "ocasionally" syncs to disk |
| 22:41.17 | unseensoul | is this any Trolltech's Qt package available on debian? |
| 22:41.18 | sigmonsays | the goal is speed of writes and reads |
| 22:41.18 | fas3r | well nothing .. :) maybe it's more simple to do which apt-get instead of whereis apt-get | awk '{print $2}' |
| 22:41.21 | jelly-home | sigmonsays: ext2? |
| 22:41.53 | jelly-home | sigmonsays: basically any decent linux filesystem, unless you explicitely enable "sync" options |
| 22:42.02 | sigmonsays | jelly-home, in memory file system. I need a method of getting snapshots |
| 22:42.05 | muramasa | triptec, I see.. as for me, there are often several files missing, be it .mp3s or actual folders |
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| 22:42.30 | sigmonsays | not on disk. in system memory. think tmpfs but I can't guarantee the integrity of the file system as a whole w/ tmpfs |
| 22:42.49 | sigmonsays | to make matters worse, it's for binary data |
| 22:42.49 | jelly-home | sigmonsays: what you described is what linux vfs does anyway with "disk" fses |
| 22:43.47 | jelly-home | sigmonsays: in case of ext3, for example, it only forces flushes to disk every 5 seconds, and that can be configured |
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| 22:44.15 | sigmonsays | jelly-home, can I change the flush time? |
| 22:44.21 | sigmonsays | hmm.. I wonder :) |
| 22:44.41 | sigmonsays | I want a rediculous flush time, like 300 seconds |
| 22:45.18 | sigmonsays | well sync gets called when you close a file usually right, so that wouldn't work |
| 22:45.32 | jelly-home | sigmonsays: yes. laptop-mode does that, it tries to delay read and writes to disk as long as possible |
| 22:45.51 | jelly-home | sigmonsays: man mount, "Mount options for ext3" (commit=) |
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| 22:46.53 | sigmonsays | aye. i'll scope it |
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| 22:47.11 | sigmonsays | but if hte application calls sync, the commit time has no effect right? |
| 22:47.57 | jelly-home | Don't know, really |
| 22:48.19 | jelly-home | there're also a number of tunables in /proc/sys/vm/dirty* |
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| 22:49.16 | sigmonsays | I think i'm trying to make a bat see like we do. don't think commit= is my best option. |
| 22:49.19 | sigmonsays | thx though |
| 22:50.30 | jelly-home | fwiw, laptop mode changes most of the things I mentioned, and then some |
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| 22:51.30 | jelly-home | depending on how large is your data set, you might make do with rsync or similar? |
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| 22:54.30 | SexyKen | I have an internal network interface in each of my servers. Normally assigned as 10.17.33.xxx, however, now I have a need to also include 10.18.33.xxx on some boxes. Is this possible to have both networks on one interface? |
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| 22:56.49 | Absolute0 | I set JDK_HOME to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00 which is the backported Java. Now when I run mvn i get this error: Error: "JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly. We cannot execute java" running $JDK_HOME/bin/java works just fine..; |
| 22:57.05 | Absolute0 | Any suggestions? |
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| 22:58.14 | Tramp | SexyKen: of course. simply add the IP to the interface (ip addr add ...) |
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| 22:59.54 | stew | Absolute0: what is JAVA_HOME set to? |
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| 23:00.54 | stew | Absolute0: i'm assuming that what java program you are trying to run didn't come from a debian package, right? |
| 23:01.09 | stew | Absolute0: and what does "readlink -k $(which java)" return? |
| 23:01.19 | stew | Absolute0: err, and what does "readlink -f $(which java)" return? |
| 23:01.33 | jelly-home | debian's bootup scripts don't use iproute2 yet; using the old-fashioned aliases might be nicer. |
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| 23:01.59 | stew | jelly-home: ifupdown from experimental uses iproute |
| 23:02.18 | jelly-home | SexyKen: look for the example with eth0:1 in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 23:02.48 | jelly-home | stew: you won't see me suggesting a user to run ifupdown from experimental. Probably. :-) |
| 23:02.48 | Tramp | he wasn't specific on what exactly he wants to do |
| 23:03.10 | stew | jelly-home: no :), i was just throwing that out there |
| 23:03.45 | stew | and netconf would use iproute, if netconf had ever actually been written |
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| 23:04.37 | jelly-home | Tramp: that's true. Where I have a couple hundred ip addresses to add, iproute is used (in post-up in interfaces ;-) |
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| 23:05.43 | cTATUK | Hi |
| 23:06.02 | cTATUK | Is there a way I can get Debian Stable's Totem to play .OGM's? |
| 23:06.25 | pobega | I'm having a problem with Apache2, no matter what I do my web browser says "The requested URL / was not found on this server." |
| 23:06.40 | jescis | can I install a package I downloaded from the internet? (I'm still in console/terminal mode) |
| 23:07.00 | Ace2016 | cTATUK: forget totem, just use mplayer, and install the w32codecs |
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| 23:07.19 | cTATUK | i'm pretty sure i already have w32codecs from debian-multimedia.org |
| 23:07.30 | cTATUK | sure there's no totem plugin for ogms...? |
| 23:07.41 | azeem | cTATUK: what are ogms? |
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| 23:07.58 | cTATUK | Ogg Media (OGM), meaning Ogg Media File, is a container format (for video, audio and subtitle streams). |
| 23:08.12 | jim | that question probably boils down to "can I find a debian etch package or an etch backported package for the .OGM input plugin, or can I get its source, configure it so it builds with totem and installs into totem's plugin dir" |
| 23:08.21 | azeem | cTATUK: so .ogg files? |
| 23:08.31 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 23:08.37 | cTATUK | azeem: .ogm |
| 23:08.39 | akIra|pt | hi |
| 23:08.46 | jim | an ogg is already a container |
| 23:09.05 | azeem | cTATUK: what does file say on them? |
| 23:09.15 | azeem | the "file" application, I mean |
| 23:09.26 | Ace2016 | can i have help configuring the kernel scheduler, i have a dual core system with cpu frequency scaling, it seems that the cpu frequency is being increased before threads start being put onto the second core |
| 23:09.44 | cTATUK | azeem: 'data' |
| 23:09.59 | azeem | cTATUK: hrm |
| 23:10.02 | Ace2016 | How do i tell the kernel to share the processes between the cores whenever possible? |
| 23:10.03 | jim | so it doesn't have a specific idea of what it is |
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| 23:10.25 | cTATUK | It's a video, I can tell you that. |
| 23:10.34 | cTATUK | Audio+Video in .ogm format. |
| 23:10.35 | Absolute0 | stew: No it's not a debian pkg, a direct binary. readlink shows: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/bin/java |
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| 23:11.11 | jim | the point is your "file" doesn't know, and presumably that could mean your system doesn't know what kind it is |
| 23:11.45 | cTATUK | I'm pretty sure if I installed mplayer/xine it would play it.. But my issue is that totem doesn't. |
| 23:11.50 | cTATUK | I suppose I'll try VLC. |
| 23:11.59 | Absolute0 | stew: apt-cache search mvn/maven returned nothing so I just got the tarball from the Maven main sit. |
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| 23:12.07 | marcelo | hello |
| 23:12.18 | marcelo | hello |
| 23:12.25 | cTATUK | jim: It could also be that the file is incomplete. :| (I might not have the header) |
| 23:13.01 | drakode | hello |
| 23:13.10 | drakode | who helpme? |
| 23:13.13 | azeem | !ask |
| 23:13.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:13.28 | jim | cTATUK, (incomplete? according to what definition? but:) which could mean that your system is "incomplete" in the same way you're using the word "incomplete" |
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| 23:14.11 | drakode | need install a kde theme... |
| 23:14.24 | cTATUK | jim: Incomplete in the sense that file MIGHT be missing the OGM header data for `file` to work correctly. It's a torrenting file that I only have 3% out of 200MB of. |
| 23:14.26 | rgr | guys, if I issue a "make xconfig" does it base itself on the existing .config in usr/src/linux? |
| 23:14.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:15.01 | abrotman | or should |
| 23:15.04 | cTATUK | jescis: gdebi |
| 23:15.11 | Absolute0 | stew: ? |
| 23:15.16 | jim | cTATUK: and therefore your system AS A WHOLE might be lacking the ability to handle OGM files (as suggested by the fact that "file" doesn't know them) |
| 23:15.27 | rgr | abrotman: then I am confused about the use of "make oldconfig". What does that do? |
| 23:15.50 | abrotman | rgr: IIRC .. it gets the config of the currently running kernel |
| 23:15.57 | cTATUK | jim: But the file itself is incomplete. (I'm still downloading it) ... so I might have to wait longer before I check the `file` info on it. |
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| 23:16.06 | jim | oldconfig goes thru your config file and freshens it, and makes sure all the questions have answers |
| 23:16.16 | cTATUK | This is my first time downloading an OGM file. |
| 23:16.33 | rgr | its not to "flush" or process manual changes done to the .config? |
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| 23:17.13 | nite613 | !java |
| 23:17.13 | dpkg | hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 23:17.22 | jim | cTATUK: bottom line: you will probably need to research .OGM files and how they can come to be supported in their playing and in their being recognized by file |
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| 23:18.29 | cTATUK | That's what I'm doing, more or less. |
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| 23:19.01 | akIra|pt | i know, total nob question, but how i can install debian on a sata device (without floppy drive) ? |
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| 23:19.27 | jim | what does it have besides (not) a floppy? |
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| 23:19.36 | akIra|pt | usb ? |
| 23:19.41 | cTATUK | cdrom? |
| 23:19.44 | jim | and? |
| 23:20.06 | akIra|pt | yeah, so if i start the installer, the setup doenst find the hd |
| 23:20.12 | abrotman | from CD ? |
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| 23:20.14 | jim | what's every disklike device you have that can connect successfully to that machine? |
| 23:20.16 | akIra|pt | with dvd/cd |
| 23:20.17 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 23:20.18 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:20.18 | akIra|pt | yes |
| 23:20.22 | jim | and how does it connect? |
| 23:20.34 | akIra|pt | via sata |
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| 23:20.48 | jim | ALL devices. WHAT are they. |
| 23:20.52 | akIra|pt | cd and hd is sata |
| 23:21.09 | jim | ahh, now I understand, thank you. |
| 23:21.16 | akIra|pt | sorry |
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| 23:21.25 | jim | no problem, and no need to be. |
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| 23:21.44 | cTATUK | akIra|pt: Does your BIOS list the HDD? |
| 23:21.51 | akIra|pt | yes |
| 23:22.10 | jim | my purpose in saying that, is to show you what kind of info a helper will need |
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| 23:23.19 | ShiftOnYou | wich partition tool is supporting raid ? |
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| 23:23.42 | jim | a raid-supporting partitioning tool! |
| 23:23.52 | ShiftOnYou | right |
| 23:23.57 | akIra|pt | the mb is asrock ALIVEXFIRE-ESATA2 and the cpu is a amd x2 4000+ (2,2) and the disk and dvd drive are connectet via sata |
| 23:24.09 | ShiftOnYou | not the best english ... i know... i know ^^ |
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| 23:24.15 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.45 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: all of them ? |
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| 23:25.11 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: but with cfdisk i only see 750 gb, not 1.5 tb ... |
| 23:25.22 | jim | ShiftOnYou: not correcting your english... I'm answering your question... and in so doing, I'm letting you know there are more partitioning tools that do support raid than your question implies credit for |
| 23:25.31 | akIra|pt | no idear ? or more infos needed ? |
| 23:25.36 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: how many drives do you have .. and what configuration ? |
| 23:25.46 | ShiftOnYou | 2 drives |
| 23:25.47 | jim | akIra|pt: can you burn cds? |
| 23:25.53 | akIra|pt | sure |
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| 23:26.13 | jim | and you have blanks, and you can boot from a bootable cd? |
| 23:26.14 | ShiftOnYou | what do you mean with what configuration? |
| 23:26.21 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: dmesg | grep -i disk .. how many do you see ? |
| 23:27.02 | akIra|pt | jim: yup |
| 23:27.14 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: sda and sdb |
| 23:27.18 | jim | ok, and you can download fairly large files? |
| 23:27.19 | ShiftOnYou | attached scsi disk |
| 23:27.30 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: each 750GB ? |
| 23:27.33 | ShiftOnYou | yes |
| 23:27.46 | jim | if all these are yes, you can get a recent etch netinstaller and go |
| 23:27.51 | akIra|pt | jim: the dvd setup runs normal, bur then something like "No drive found", so i thought there´s a problem with sata |
| 23:27.56 | akIra|pt | but |
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| 23:28.08 | jim | wait, with what installer exactly? |
| 23:28.08 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: but with cfdisk i only see 750 :( |
| 23:28.08 | Deformative | Why isn't llvm in the repos |
| 23:28.09 | Deformative | ? |
| 23:28.20 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: yes .. how many would you like to partition at once ? |
| 23:28.23 | jim | !why |
| 23:28.42 | ShiftOnYou | how many partitions or harddisks? |
| 23:29.15 | ShiftOnYou | oooh, i see ... cfdisk /dev/sdb ... now i get the second... |
| 23:29.18 | jim | akIra|pt: what operating system is on that machine now? |
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| 23:29.25 | ShiftOnYou | but how do i stripe the two harddisks`? |
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| 23:29.41 | phr334rchy | i need some serieous help |
| 23:29.47 | phr334rchy | I cant get the x server to work |
| 23:29.56 | akIra|pt | jim: one ntfs, i like to reduce it... |
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| 23:30.03 | phr334rchy | and i am totally lost on installing the nvidia drivers |
| 23:30.13 | akIra|pt | jim: its not possible with the text installer ? |
| 23:30.26 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: lvm or raid0 |
| 23:30.34 | akIra|pt | jim: i think its 4.xx |
| 23:30.38 | hyperactivecrond | IIRC there's a search engine on debian.org that lets you enter a package and it'll tell you what cd it is on. does anybody have an idea where this is? |
| 23:30.38 | jim | I don't know about ntfs much, so I'm not the best for that question |
| 23:30.43 | ferret_0567 | trying to compile cairo-compmgr and openbox fails on Debian Lenny for me with: |
| 23:30.47 | ferret_0567 | configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 23:30.47 | ferret_0567 | See `config.log' for more details. |
| 23:30.55 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: i want raid 0 |
| 23:31.02 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 23:31.06 | akIra|pt | jim: ok, so i have to reduce it first and then try it again |
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| 23:31.16 | ferret_0567 | I suspect that anything would fail to compile with the same error |
| 23:31.24 | ferret_0567 | how can I fix this? |
| 23:31.33 | phr334rchy | hey can anyone help with my gui problem |
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| 23:31.37 | ferret_0567 | reinstall, try out Arch Linux, or what? |
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| 23:32.12 | hyperactivecrond | ferret_0567, taken from experience, arch is a POS if you dont want anything on your system broken |
| 23:32.14 | jim | but as with all partition types, you can back up the entire partition (with something like ghost), delete partition, make new (smaller) partition, restore |
| 23:32.32 | ferret_0567 | hyperactivecrond: oh |
| 23:32.43 | abrotman | phr334rchy: do you have an error ? |
| 23:32.44 | jim | potentially ghost will be burning CDs or something |
| 23:32.45 | ferret_0567 | well, I'm having stuff broken on debian right now :/ |
| 23:32.56 | ferret_0567 | all of my build system seems to be broken |
| 23:33.10 | hyperactivecrond | ferret_0567, you're on etch, right? reinstall the stuff in build-essential |
| 23:33.16 | phr334rchy | yea, but i already exitied out of it beacuse i was trying to follow the manuals online |
| 23:33.29 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: ok, i think i found what i need :D |
| 23:33.30 | abrotman | phr334rchy: then give us more information |
| 23:33.33 | ShiftOnYou | thx 4 help |
| 23:33.41 | phr334rchy | alright hold on then |
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| 23:34.46 | stew | Absolute0: what is JAVA_HOME set to? |
| 23:34.53 | ferret_0567 | hyperactivecrond: I'm on Lenny |
| 23:35.07 | ferret_0567 | hyperactivecrond: I did |
| 23:35.23 | Absolute0 | stew: its not ;-) |
| 23:35.28 | ferret_0567 | except for make |
| 23:35.44 | ferret_0567 | I just reinstalled make |
| 23:35.45 | phr334rchy | upon restart it gives me an error hda : lost interrupt |
| 23:35.52 | phr334rchy | any ida |
| 23:35.54 | stew | Absolute0: well, then, the error "JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly" sounds pretty diagnostic |
| 23:36.00 | hyperactivecrond | ferret_0567, debian testing IS testing. i thought the same thing where it'd be like running Arch / Gentoo etc. but the unstable/testing version REALLY isn't for normal people |
| 23:36.28 | Wingard | Kind of like KDE4 |
| 23:36.30 | Absolute0 | stew: Yup already fixed the problem i confused JDK_HOME with JAVA_HOME :) |
| 23:36.32 | hyperactivecrond | !testing > ferret_0567 |
| 23:36.43 | ferret_0567 | hyperactivecrond: it worked before... |
| 23:36.48 | ferret_0567 | ugh... |
| 23:36.52 | ferret_0567 | I want current software |
| 23:36.57 | ferret_0567 | not old software |
| 23:37.03 | hyperactivecrond | ferret_0567, http://ubuntu.com |
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| 23:37.15 | hyperactivecrond | you _could_ try arch |
| 23:37.23 | Sal-------- | I'm trying to setup my own nameservers on my dedicated server, but I have some questions... 1--Is it okay to setup both of my nameservers on 1 server, or no? 2--How can I go about doing this? Anyone have any good links |
| 23:37.34 | jim | ferret_0567: compile it |
| 23:37.35 | akIra|pt | ok, thats a lot guys |
| 23:37.35 | hyperactivecrond | but stuff's still a little too volitale |
| 23:37.45 | akIra|pt | thanks |
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| 23:37.52 | hyperactivecrond | jim: prepare for fallout. his compiler set's b0rk3d |
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| 23:38.04 | ferret_0567 | jim: I'm going to try slackware |
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| 23:38.20 | stew | ferret_0567: you need to install build-essential |
| 23:38.22 | jim | then he's got to install compilers that work... maybe he can build that too |
| 23:38.37 | ferret_0567 | stew: I did |
| 23:38.41 | ferret_0567 | it is broken |
| 23:38.51 | ferret_0567 | all of it |
| 23:38.54 | stew | ferret_0567: be more specific than "broken". do you get an error? |
| 23:39.03 | ferret_0567 | configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 23:39.14 | stew | ferret_0567: what are you trying to compile? |
| 23:39.29 | ferret_0567 | openbox with apt-get -b source openbox |
| 23:39.45 | ferret_0567 | I suspect that anything I try to compile will fail with the same error |
| 23:39.48 | jim | is /lib/cpp a c preprocessor? |
| 23:39.56 | ferret_0567 | it's a symlink to... |
| 23:39.59 | hyperactivecrond | ferret_0567, do you REALLY think slackware's that current? |
| 23:40.03 | hyperactivecrond | ferret_0567, it's not |
| 23:40.09 | stew | ferret_0567: why are you trying to compile openbox instead of just installing it? |
| 23:40.09 | ferret_0567 | (%:~/Downloads/cairo-compmgr-0.1.3.1)- readlink -e /lib/cpp |
| 23:40.09 | ferret_0567 | /usr/bin/cpp-4.2 |
| 23:40.10 | hyperactivecrond | ferret_0567, im'' in slack now |
| 23:40.23 | ferret_0567 | stew: because cairo-compmgr will not compile |
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| 23:40.32 | ferret_0567 | with the very same C preprocessor error |
| 23:40.44 | stew | ferret_0567: and what does cairo-compmgr have to do with openbox? |
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| 23:41.25 | ferret_0567 | stew: it doesn't have much, except it exibits the same C preprocessor error symton |
| 23:41.36 | stew | ferret_0567: why are you trying to compile openbox? |
| 23:41.49 | ferret_0567 | stew: to test if my build system is broken |
| 23:42.00 | ferret_0567 | judging by the C preprocessor error, it seems to be |
| 23:42.11 | stew | ferret_0567: have you run "apt-get build-dep openbox"? |
| 23:42.15 | ferret_0567 | yes |
| 23:44.48 | hyperactivecrond | ferret_0567, apt-get autoremove build-essential; apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:45.21 | hyperactivecrond | or aptitude remove build-esseitial, aptitude install build-essential |
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| 23:45.38 | hyperactivecrond | build-essential's a metapackage, so there's a buncha packages that it automatically picks up. |
| 23:45.43 | hyperactivecrond | aptitude SHOULD get rid of those |
| 23:45.57 | ferret_0567 | ok, I got rid of all of those |
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| 23:46.03 | ferret_0567 | now, off to install build-essentail agian |
| 23:46.26 | hyperactivecrond | -1 sp for ferret_0567 |
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| 23:46.41 | hyperactivecrond | also, ferret_0567 i'm in slackware now. slack12's not that up-to-date |
| 23:46.54 | hyperactivecrond | if you REALLY want new crap use Gentoo if you dont mind waiting around for stuff to compile |
| 23:47.07 | hyperactivecrond | or use Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS |
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| 23:47.20 | xand | I am using ntp, but my time becomes out by around 30 minutes in 12 hours... I restart ntp and it corrects... why might this happen? :| |
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| 23:47.52 | abrotman | xand: there's a drift file |
| 23:48.15 | hyperactivecrond | does etch cd1 have all of the build-essential stuff? |
| 23:48.22 | ferret_0567 | hyperactivecrond: I'm going to use Gentoo then |
| 23:48.38 | xand | abrotman: what's that? |
| 23:49.03 | hyperactivecrond | ferret_0567, ok but don't ask stupid questions in #gentoo (not saying that you're asking dumb questions, but #gentoo's about as tolerant as a KKK meeting at a Mr. Chicken) |
| 23:49.29 | ferret_0567 | haha, ok ;p |
| 23:49.54 | hyperactivecrond | PCLOS is pretty good if you want a solid desktop that can be updated and n00b-proof hw setup |
| 23:50.01 | abrotman | xand: man ntpd |
| 23:50.06 | hyperactivecrond | a bit slow though |
| 23:50.14 | abrotman | xand: it's basically for if your clock is messed up |
| 23:50.32 | jim | #gentoo has that big of a chip on its shoulder? |
| 23:50.44 | hyperactivecrond | i've got a PIV @2.0ghz 512MB ram and 64MB geForce 4 MX video card. not the fastest thing in the world |
| 23:50.46 | jim | sheesh... |
| 23:50.46 | abrotman | do we care ? |
| 23:50.51 | jim | not a chance |
| 23:51.01 | hyperactivecrond | but not as slow as Vista is, i daresay |
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| 23:52.30 | hyperactivecrond | then there's the FreeBSD people. je-sus ch-rist. dont even ask for help unless you're up to your head in problems that there are no answer to |
| 23:52.56 | ferret_0567 | hyperactivecrond: really? |
| 23:53.02 | ferret_0567 | they were kind to me, the newbie |
| 23:53.07 | hyperactivecrond | well at least in #freebsd when i was in there |
| 23:53.15 | ferret_0567 | I'd never really used fBSD before |
| 23:53.21 | hyperactivecrond | i was having problems with dhclient in freebsd not getting an ipaddress |
| 23:53.23 | jelly-home | and then there's those guys from #debian that ALWAYS whine about offtopic talk |
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| 23:55.04 | ferret_0567 | all not wanting to get slammed by #debian people not wanting offtopic talk can go to ##linux-travism, where anything Linux or programming related is allowed :) |
| 23:55.08 | ferret_0567 | it's my channel |
| 23:55.10 | ferret_0567 | I'll bbl |
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| 23:55.28 | hyperactivecrond | and the guys in #ubuntu who whine that they can't figure out why Totem can't play MP3s (for those of you who are too busy not giving a ****, in ubuntu now all you have to do is click a button and wait when you try to play an mp3) |
| 23:55.42 | ShiftOnYou | i get /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt busy ... so /mnt isnt busy ... and sda1 isnt mounted... how do i fix that? |
| 23:55.56 | phr334rchy | alright nevermind thanks for all of your help i am having no success with this distro im going back to faithfull old ubuntu |
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| 23:56.25 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: does /proc/mounts confirm your diagnose of "not mounted"? |
| 23:56.39 | ShiftOnYou | yes :D |
| 23:56.44 | abrotman | way to not ask for help .. yay |
| 23:56.52 | ShiftOnYou | only /dev/sda9 is mounted |
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| 23:57.07 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: are you in single-user, just booted? |
| 23:57.14 | ShiftOnYou | yes |
| 23:57.26 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: have you remounted / read-write? |
| 23:57.33 | ShiftOnYou | no |
| 23:57.47 | ShiftOnYou | created new partition... tried to mount |
| 23:57.53 | ShiftOnYou | (after format wit ext3) |
| 23:58.18 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: you won't be able to use mount without -n if mount cannot update /etc/mtab |
| 23:58.29 | ShiftOnYou | ok |
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| 23:58.42 | ShiftOnYou | but why does it work with /dev/sda9? |
| 23:58.55 | jelly-home | what is on sda9? |
| 23:59.03 | jelly-home | where's your root fs? |
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| 23:59.45 | rrbox | some1 got the script for irc show playlist of vlc ? |
