| 00:00.10 | xand | abrotman: not sure how that file helps |
| 00:00.36 | abrotman | xand: if your clock can't keep reasonable time .. you can use that to attempt to keep it in sync better IIRC |
| 00:00.43 | ShiftOnYou | jelly-home: sda9 also new created partition ... wher is my root fs is in /boot |
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| 00:01.01 | jelly-home | ? |
| 00:01.03 | SpookyET | Is anyone in here using OSS4? |
| 00:01.06 | ShiftOnYou | -wher is |
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| 00:01.24 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: pastebin your /proc/mounts and the output of "mount" |
| 00:01.33 | ShiftOnYou | k |
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| 00:03.04 | abrotman | xand: i could be completely crazy! |
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| 00:03.26 | ShiftOnYou | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/51064 |
| 00:03.59 | xand | abrotman: according to the man page, ntp puts stuff in there when it starts |
| 00:03.59 | xand | this problem only started today afaik |
| 00:03.59 | xand | gr |
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| 00:04.16 | marcelo | hi |
| 00:04.22 | bronaugh | ok, having some fun with gdal_translate on amd64; debian unstable. fails to write out NetCDF files. |
| 00:04.25 | marcelo | what is best? kde or gnome? |
| 00:04.28 | bronaugh | regardless of input, so far as I can tell. |
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| 00:04.39 | abrotman | marcelo: the one you prefer .. try them both |
| 00:04.41 | bronaugh | marcelo: try both. I find KDE less irritating. |
| 00:04.49 | bronaugh | marcelo: others find Gnome better. |
| 00:04.53 | hyperactivecrond | marcelo: look at the screenshots |
| 00:04.55 | xand | abrotman: it's crazy, it's out by 6 seconds in 12 minutes |
| 00:05.01 | hyperactivecrond | marcelo, kde looks more like windows |
| 00:05.03 | abrotman | xand: feed it more! |
| 00:05.19 | hyperactivecrond | marcelo, gnome is kinda blegh. |
| 00:05.26 | marcelo | hyperactivecrond: true... |
| 00:05.27 | abrotman | okay .. enough gnome vs kde |
| 00:05.31 | hyperactivecrond | marcelo, http://kde.org and http://gnome.org |
| 00:05.50 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: and mount? |
| 00:06.09 | ShiftOnYou | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/d73dfe38c (ip: is a ip ... doenst matter which :D) |
| 00:06.14 | hyperactivecrond | w00t 318 kb/sec. vista does like 256kb/sec. on the same machine, same net, etc. |
| 00:06.24 | hyperactivecrond | download rate* |
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| 00:06.36 | ShiftOnYou | damnt you got it already xD |
| 00:06.57 | marcelo | in ubuntu used gnome, now in debian i use xfce, I think it is better GNOME |
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| 00:07.29 | drakode | in ubuntu used gnome, now in debian i use xfce, I think it is better GNOME |
| 00:07.52 | nouri | Guys, where do I put a scrip for execution on suspend's resume? |
| 00:08.09 | ShiftOnYou | jelly-home: any idea? |
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| 00:08.40 | path_ | guys anybody know where I can watch online the DPL debate ? |
| 00:08.47 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: does mkdir /mnt/foo and mounting there work? |
| 00:09.21 | ShiftOnYou | no |
| 00:09.46 | ShiftOnYou | so it looks like sda1 is already mounted ... but not mounted xD |
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| 00:10.17 | ShiftOnYou | umount = sda1 not mounted ^^ |
| 00:10.45 | comex | why are you trying to mount it in single-user mode? |
| 00:11.35 | nouri | I don't have /etc/acpi/resume.d/ |
| 00:11.38 | drakode | how install only gnome environment? |
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| 00:11.43 | stew | path_: it will probably be in #debian-dpl-debate on irc.debian.org. an announcement will be made to http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote sometime soon |
| 00:11.56 | ShiftOnYou | comex: do you mean me? |
| 00:12.03 | path_ | thanks stew ! |
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| 00:12.55 | drakode | how install only gnome environment? |
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| 00:14.04 | nouri | Is /etc/apm/resume.d/ a good place to put my script in for Lenny? |
| 00:14.14 | nouri | If I want it executed on resume? |
| 00:14.29 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: hm. How did you boot, what root= option was used? If you dont know, pastebin eg. cat /proc/1/environ | tr "\0" "\n" |
| 00:15.21 | ShiftOnYou | theres no root= |
| 00:15.24 | techouse | damn...my wireless just loses the ability to transfer every 10-15 min (intel 3945 on lenny). is it the router or are the lenny packages bad? |
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| 00:15.41 | techouse | cause 2 days ago it worked fine a few hours |
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| 00:15.53 | drakode | how install only gnome environment? |
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| 00:16.19 | Tramp | ShiftOnYou: /proc/cmdline? |
| 00:16.21 | techouse | drakode: aptitude install gdm gnome |
| 00:17.28 | ShiftOnYou | jelly-home: Tramp: root=/dev/ram0 |
| 00:18.09 | drakode | techouse: for what gdm gnome? |
| 00:19.22 | techouse | gdm = gnome display manager == crutial to display a gnome environment; and gnome installs everything else, using aptitude |
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| 00:20.00 | techouse | i'll try the sid kernel and an own compiled ipw3945 :P |
| 00:20.10 | grand_grunt | drakode: and aptitude install xserver-xorg if not done |
| 00:20.12 | techouse | sid, of course xD |
| 00:20.50 | techouse | grand_grunt: i think that aptitude will do that automatically |
| 00:20.56 | Tramp | ShiftOnYou: and "file -s /dev/sda1" cofirms your claim, that sda1 is a filesystem? |
| 00:21.35 | ShiftOnYou | Tram: /dev/sda1: symbolic link to `scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1' |
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| 00:22.46 | ShiftOnYou | Tramp: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data |
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| 00:23.23 | ShiftOnYou | would there be some problems if i use raid? |
| 00:24.09 | Tramp | ShiftOnYou: this device is part of a RAID? then yes. |
| 00:24.35 | ShiftOnYou | sda1 and sdb1 = my partition |
| 00:25.28 | Tramp | ShiftOnYou: the software-raid driver claims the device (afaik) - not that I have much experience with raids, but I'm pretty sure, that's how it works. |
| 00:25.57 | ShiftOnYou | ok i just googled something... i try ... |
| 00:26.37 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: if you use raid, you need to use the top level device. eg. if you created a /dev/md0 md raid1 mirror out of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1, you'd have to handle /dev/md0 and not touch the devices below |
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| 00:27.07 | robboplus | could you please advice me on running 2 apache instances at the same time? like with diff configs, roots, etc. #apache is so leet that i just don't dare to even be there.. |
| 00:27.16 | ShiftOnYou | i see, i have to create the raids first ^^ |
| 00:27.22 | robboplus | is that even possible or hard to do? |
| 00:27.26 | abrotman | robboplus: ask #apache |
| 00:27.37 | robboplus | i just did.. and not just me... idling as usual |
| 00:27.43 | abrotman | so wait |
| 00:27.52 | robboplus | or google |
| 00:27.55 | jelly-home | robboplus: sure it's possible. Is if possible to do with debian packages? Not out of the box. |
| 00:28.10 | robboplus | aargh. |
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| 00:28.26 | robboplus | so it's not just about apache.. it's about debian too |
| 00:28.39 | ShiftOnYou | jelly-home: now i cant create the raid, device is busy -.- |
| 00:28.40 | robboplus | thus my question was addressed quite properly into this # :) |
| 00:28.59 | xand | abrotman: no time loss when I boot the machine into XP c.c |
| 00:29.03 | xand | so I don't think it's hardware |
| 00:29.09 | abrotman | xand: do you have a drift file already in linux ? |
| 00:29.15 | abrotman | xand: wait .. XP? i can't help you anymore! |
| 00:29.16 | xand | unless XP is correcting and linux isn't |
| 00:29.25 | xand | yes, it had something like -49.93 in it |
| 00:29.26 | Tramp | robboplus: I think, it's very much about the distribution. And if the distribution doesn't provide for it, I'd say its hard. Probably best solved with some virtualiization. |
| 00:29.27 | jelly-home | robboplus: you'd need to create own init script for the second instance, a copy of the configuration setup, and I have absolutely no idea whether a2* helper scripts can handle it. Probably not |
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| 00:29.34 | xand | abrotman: sorry, vista :p |
| 00:29.42 | abrotman | EWW |
| 00:29.53 | xand | abrotman: the point was that it's linux doing it, or Doing it Wrong, but windows is OK :P |
| 00:29.54 | Tramp | jelly-home: I'd consider it a lost case in the long run |
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| 00:30.16 | abrotman | xand: so see if linux has a drift file already that it's using |
| 00:30.20 | robboplus | Tramp, jelly-home :( |
| 00:30.29 | abrotman | xand: don't forget to check the hwclock to see if it's changing also |
| 00:30.30 | robboplus | and i thought it's 10 mins job. how silly of me. |
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| 00:31.02 | xand | abrotman: I have ntp.drift... do you mean another one? |
| 00:31.14 | abrotman | xand: the value inside? |
| 00:31.25 | jelly-home | robboplus: why do you (think you) need two apaches running |
| 00:31.27 | xand | abrotman: -49.9 or thereabouts |
| 00:31.31 | jelly-home | , anyway? |
| 00:31.33 | xand | can't read it now from windows c.c |
| 00:31.43 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:31.52 | abrotman | xand: go back to linux ? |
| 00:31.56 | syntaxx | is there a way i could block yahoo messenger using squid? |
| 00:32.12 | abrotman | syntaxx: blackhole the yahoo login service ? |
| 00:32.51 | robboplus | jelly-home hm i need 1 apache with ssl and another with non-ssl |
| 00:33.09 | robboplus | or wait, am i just stupid... |
| 00:33.24 | jelly-home | robboplus: yes. virtualhosts. |
| 00:33.41 | robboplus | i'm really not good with this stuff, probably missing lots of knowledge |
| 00:33.47 | syntaxx | abrotman: blackhole? what is that? |
| 00:33.57 | robboplus | all i know is that i have a dedicated IP for this other site i want to add |
| 00:34.11 | abrotman | syntaxx: make the yahoo login service unreachable via the proxy |
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| 00:34.27 | robboplus | jelly-home so i thought i would need another apache to listen on that ip:port |
| 00:34.34 | jelly-home | robboplus: a single apache server can run numerous webs on same or different ips, ssl enabled or not |
| 00:34.45 | syntaxx | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 00:35.15 | robboplus | jelly-home aargh. |
| 00:36.09 | xand | abrotman: I was waiting so my test would be more accurate c.c |
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| 00:36.40 | abrotman | xand: sure sure |
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| 00:37.47 | jelly-home | robboplus: you'll probably just want to enable ssl, and create and enable a couple virtualhosts |
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| 00:38.21 | jelly-home | robboplus: I'd be surprised if there weren't decent howtos on running https on etch available via google |
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| 00:38.37 | abrotman | doing what ? |
| 00:38.53 | abrotman | uh .. apache in etch can listen on both http and https |
| 00:38.54 | jelly-home | naked interpretive dance |
| 00:39.18 | jelly-home | indeed it can |
| 00:39.26 | robboplus | thank you very much jelly-home i will do some reading indeed |
| 00:39.40 | jescis | What file system is a blank cd? raw? |
| 00:39.45 | robboplus | i just was *sure* i would need another apache because of that dedicated ip for the site |
| 00:39.49 | abrotman | jescis: uh .. empty ? |
| 00:39.51 | jelly-home | jescis: it's a special "no file system" |
| 00:39.56 | robboplus | he he |
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| 00:40.18 | jescis | I want to burn an iso. But I can't |
| 00:40.18 | robboplus | some day they will all become ntfs though :) |
| 00:40.31 | abrotman | robboplus: it gets a bit tricky if you need to do multiple named based virtual hosts over a single IP .. |
| 00:40.37 | abrotman | erm .. read impossible? :) |
| 00:40.51 | robboplus | abrotman nono i do 1 site per ip |
| 00:40.51 | jelly-home | robboplus: cheap shared web-hosting sites run hundreds of different web sites in a single apache instance |
| 00:41.00 | robboplus | oh wow. |
| 00:41.02 | abrotman | robboplus: pretty darn easy then |
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| 00:41.20 | robboplus | uh huh... so glad to hear that :) at least i know that it will work eventually lol |
| 00:41.31 | jelly-home | multiple named based virtual hosts over a single IP ... is ok until they want https :-) |
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| 00:41.46 | abrotman | and the same port .. greedy bastards |
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| 00:42.01 | Lonnie | Well valdyn and enouf, I re-installed etch, installed X and a few other thing, then change the sources.lists to lenny from etch, after doing apt-get update and dist-upgrade. Now It is giving me "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata" |
| 00:42.11 | jelly-home | abrotman: thank goodness for Host: header! |
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| 00:42.22 | abrotman | cheddar! |
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| 00:43.04 | jelly-home | Lonnie, your lenny is in the loo |
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| 00:43.15 | robboplus | jelly-home... can i also make it so when people just use blah.here.com they get redirected to ssl port automatically? |
| 00:43.36 | robboplus | so they don't have to use https:// to get there |
| 00:43.37 | xand | abrotman: -49.931... |
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| 00:43.50 | abrotman | xand: that's what you rate on the cool scale ? |
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| 00:43.53 | Lonnie | IN the what jelly-home? |
| 00:43.59 | jelly-home | robboplus: http://foo.com -> https://foo.com can be arranged with mod_rewrite |
| 00:44.12 | xand | abrotman: and of course back in linux I'm losing time like a sieve |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | xand: just wait til you hit your 30s |
| 00:44.41 | jelly-home | Lonnie: ignore that abortive attempt at alliteration |
| 00:44.43 | xand | :| |
| 00:44.50 | xand | grrr, this is pissing me off |
| 00:44.55 | abrotman | xand: move the file |
| 00:45.05 | abrotman | and restart ntp |
| 00:45.14 | robboplus | jelly-home this is really sweet, thank you so much - looks like nothing is impossible |
| 00:45.20 | Lonnie | jelly-home; this is better than the damned thing doing the upgrade and then not booting into it. |
| 00:45.27 | robboplus | even though i will spend another night figuring it all out he he |
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| 00:47.49 | jelly-home | robboplus: finding the recipe can be hard, however. #apache can be helpful when there's people there |
| 00:48.42 | robboplus | jelly-home ... |
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| 00:51.00 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 00:51.01 | dpkg | <Aleric> pumpkin0: I noticed that there are a LOT of capacitor on the the motherbord of 1200 micro Farad (6.3 V), that ALL have 'burst open' ;) .. stuff is coming out of it. I now think that it might be a reason for at least extra instability. |
| 00:51.31 | Lonnie | jelly-home; got past that issue, installed tzdata on its own, now the dist-upgrade is continuing. |
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| 00:52.29 | jelly-home | apt can get weird at times *shrug* |
| 00:53.01 | robboplus | LMAO @ dpkg :) |
| 00:53.07 | robboplus | now that was a good one lol.. |
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| 00:56.16 | xand | abrotman: didn't seem to make any difference |
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| 00:56.40 | abrotman | xand: what does the hwclock say? |
| 00:56.44 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 00:56.56 | fas3r | stupid question NRPE and NCSA use SNMP for return result in Nagios ? |
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| 00:57.25 | xand | abrotman: Thu 13 Mar 2008 00:57:17 GMT -0.086560 seconds |
| 00:57.29 | jescis | jelly-home: So, what command do I use to write an iso to a blank cd? |
| 00:57.32 | abrotman | right or wrong ? |
| 00:57.37 | xand | abrotman: it is also 8 seconds out |
| 00:57.47 | abrotman | xand: so ntp in linux is changing the clock ? |
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| 00:58.15 | xand | abrotman: er.... isn't that what it's meant to do? assuming it's wrong that is |
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| 00:58.33 | jelly-home | jescis: cdrecord or wodim. |
| 00:58.40 | xand | abrotman: act |
| 00:58.42 | xand | oops |
| 00:59.00 | jescis | jelly-home: ok will do |
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| 01:01.25 | hellues | hey |
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| 01:01.42 | abrotman | xand: if you set the file to 0.0 ... does it slow down the change ? |
| 01:01.49 | hellues | how can i recieve ip from wlan0 by using terminal |
| 01:02.14 | xand | abrotman: it set itself to 0.000 when I emptied the file and restarted... er |
| 01:02.20 | amphi | hellues: dhclient wlan0 |
| 01:02.25 | xand | abrotman: but no, seems to be the same |
| 01:02.37 | amphi | hellues: assuming you're associated |
| 01:02.40 | xand | abrotman: it loses time whether or not ntp is running anyway |
| 01:02.55 | hellues | no i cannot recieve ip with dhclient wlan0 |
| 01:03.06 | mrgenixus | I'm trying to get mod_userdir to work but having run a2enmod to enable it, and even copied /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf to /etc/apache2/conf.d I can't get the server to recognize urls in the form hostname/~username |
| 01:03.13 | abrotman | xand: ignore it .. time is irrelevant! |
| 01:03.17 | xand | :( |
| 01:03.18 | hellues | my system knows my wireless card |
| 01:03.24 | xand | hellues: that is the correct command. |
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| 01:03.35 | xand | hellues: sounds like you're not connected to the network |
| 01:03.38 | xand | (properly) |
| 01:03.48 | hellues | it can be correct command but it cannot do |
| 01:03.52 | xand | dare I ask in ##linux |
| 01:04.19 | hellues | i installed network-manager |
| 01:04.29 | mrgenixus | hellues: what's the MAc address of the ap you're connected too? |
| 01:04.36 | abrotman | xand: try using chrony instead of ntp ? |
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| 01:04.48 | hellues | but when i open nm-applet it says fail |
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| 01:05.07 | hellues | how can i look mac address |
| 01:05.09 | hellues | ifconfig |
| 01:05.11 | hellues | ? |
| 01:05.17 | mrgenixus | iwconfig |
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| 01:05.24 | hellues | oo ok |
| 01:05.25 | mrgenixus | you need the mac of the AP |
| 01:05.53 | hellues | !paste |
| 01:05.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:06.47 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/51066 |
| 01:07.03 | hellues | pls look mrgenixus |
| 01:08.53 | xand | abrotman: that makes the clock... fast |
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| 01:09.17 | abrotman | xand: ? |
| 01:09.32 | hellues | hmm |
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| 01:09.39 | hellues | any suggestion mrgenixus |
| 01:09.41 | xand | abrotman: I installed that... few minutes later my clock is 7s fast :P |
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| 01:10.02 | abrotman | xand: install them both? :) |
| 01:10.09 | xand | abrotman: maybe it was adjusting in addition to me running ntpdate :| |
| 01:10.22 | mrgenixus | Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 01:10.30 | xand | currently clock is correct |
| 01:10.35 | Varange | hi all. During installation, my computer couldn't connect to the mirrors, so I just installed a base system. I'd like to get back to the screen that allows me to select a mirror. Can I do this? |
| 01:10.47 | hellues | what does that mean acces point not associated |
| 01:10.51 | hellues | what must i do |
| 01:10.56 | xand | hellues: it means you're not connected to the network |
| 01:10.58 | mrgenixus | hellues: you're not connected to an access point |
| 01:11.00 | xand | !wireless |
| 01:11.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wireless is The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <what's my wireless>, or unfortunately, both of the above links are horrifically out of date. |
| 01:11.06 | hellues | hmm |
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| 01:11.24 | ebbr | is it possible to use a different apt sources.list entry for security updates then the default one (security.debian.org) ? is it mirrored somewhere? |
| 01:11.40 | mrgenixus | hellues: basically -- what's the ssid of the access point? |
| 01:11.49 | cTATUK | hi ... is there a way to maximize xtightvncviewer so that it doesn't have horizontal/vertical scroll bars? |
| 01:12.26 | mrgenixus | cTATUK: you're kindof asking in the wrong place... |
| 01:12.34 | Varange | abrotman, pls help me with my little installation prob as described above |
| 01:12.44 | abrotman | what hi who ? |
| 01:12.50 | Varange | hi |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | !tell Varange about mirrors |
| 01:12.57 | Varange | thx |
| 01:13.52 | Varange | abrotman, I really wanted to know how to get back to that install scrtipt that lets me select a mirror |
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| 01:14.10 | abrotman | you can't |
| 01:14.41 | Varange | ok, thx |
| 01:14.49 | hellues | ssid : lucas |
| 01:14.59 | Lonnie | Just have to manually edit the sources.lists don't you abrotman? |
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| 01:15.03 | mrgenixus | Varange: you might try getting the package for netselect-apt and it's dependencies |
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| 01:15.17 | abrotman | Lonnie: you can do that or run apt-spy |
| 01:15.23 | hellues | mnm-applet doesnt work |
| 01:15.34 | hellues | nm-applet |
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| 01:15.42 | Varange | mrgenixus, thanks |
| 01:16.09 | Lonnie | OK, was not aware of apt-spy, good one to know. |
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| 01:23.22 | krzy | hallo |
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| 01:23.46 | luckz | hello Pinky! |
| 01:23.49 | krzy | ich thinke that freies bse fleisch besser ist als wie das von der schlachterei debian |
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| 01:23.52 | hellues | hey |
| 01:23.57 | krzy | HellTiger |
| 01:23.58 | Pinky | hallo |
| 01:23.59 | krzy | hellues |
| 01:24.00 | krzy | Pinky |
| 01:24.02 | krzy | hallo |
| 01:24.04 | hellues | i installed network-manager |
| 01:24.05 | luckz | du är min man |
| 01:24.17 | krzy | he är min man |
| 01:24.21 | krzy | mean män |
| 01:24.22 | krzy | hehehejo |
| 01:24.26 | hellues | when i start nm-applet it says nm-applet failed to start because |
| 01:24.27 | streuner | krzy: stop |
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| 01:24.36 | krzy | sorry |
| 01:24.40 | luckz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20zxFozMsjg&feature=related <- ontopic?? |
| 01:24.43 | krzy | i not want insult teh j00 |
| 01:24.45 | torrr | is there an alternative to inotify? |
| 01:24.48 | hellues | nm-applet couldnt find some reuired resources |
| 01:24.49 | luckz | if you say schlachterei debian?? |
| 01:24.52 | hellues | what does that mean |
| 01:24.56 | hellues | how can i fix |
| 01:25.03 | luckz | s/reuired/required |
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| 01:25.13 | lunaphyte | i've disable acpi and apic in grub (i believe) - how can i confirm this once i've booted? |
| 01:25.17 | hellues | required* |
| 01:25.23 | krzy | lunaphyte: freebsd > debian |
| 01:25.31 | luckz | run checkacpi |
| 01:25.32 | pgpkeys | krzy: this is a debian channel |
| 01:25.36 | hellues | any suggestion |
| 01:25.39 | krzy | no |
| 01:25.41 | luckz | pgpkeys: it is not freebsd too?? |
| 01:25.43 | krzy | really? |
| 01:25.46 | pgpkeys | while some of us run freebsd as well, this isn't the channel for it |
| 01:25.50 | pgpkeys | luckz: hehe |
| 01:25.55 | krzy | i thought i was in #freebsd when i joined #debian |
| 01:25.59 | kgoetz | troooooolllllllsssssss |
| 01:26.01 | streuner | abrotman: can you silence this troll (krzy)? |
| 01:26.01 | luckz | but isn't debian like freebsd?? |
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| 01:26.04 | luckz | it is linux no? |
| 01:26.08 | krzy | troll? |
| 01:26.12 | krzy | i'm an orc shaman |
| 01:26.13 | abrotman | streuner: which one ? |
| 01:26.18 | luckz | troll is like mageogre? |
| 01:26.21 | streuner | abrotman: krzy |
| 01:26.21 | luckz | with two heads?? |
| 01:26.25 | abrotman | krzy: do you have a debian question or not? |
| 01:26.27 | krzy | streuner: catch aids |
| 01:26.30 | krzy | abrotman: yes |
| 01:26.35 | abrotman | krzy: which is? |
| 01:26.36 | jescis | Don't feed the trols ;) |
| 01:26.40 | krzy | can i cure streuners aids with debian? |
| 01:26.49 | luckz | what is streuner aids?? |
| 01:26.50 | luckz | is it program? |
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| 01:26.51 | krzy | can you pls compile aidscure.cccccplusminus? |
| 01:26.54 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@p508EC02E.dip.t-dialin.net] by abrotman |
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| 01:27.02 | streuner | thanks |
| 01:27.09 | luckz | it is not program? |
| 01:28.02 | streuner | jescis: good suggestion - 1) you have the possibilty to get rid of them or 2) use ignore |
| 01:28.03 | lunaphyte | luckz: you're joking, right? checkacpi? |
| 01:28.06 | luckz | is it included with debain?? iso download? |
| 01:28.17 | luckz | well I'm not getting any help here or maybe +m is on?? |
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| 01:28.19 | kgoetz | abrotman: luckz too? |
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| 01:28.30 | abrotman | kgoetz: why? :) |
| 01:28.36 | pyrohotdog | Why does cat /proc/cpuinfo say my clock speed is half of what it actually is? |
| 01:28.52 | jescis | streuner: np |
| 01:28.53 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: cpufreq running ? not sure if that affects it |
| 01:28.54 | hellues | help me |
| 01:28.58 | kgoetz | abrotman: he looked like one too (to me) |
| 01:29.02 | streuner | abrotman: well, i had the same thought about - they spoke like the knew each other... |
| 01:29.05 | hellues | helppp me |
| 01:29.15 | streuner | s/the/they/ |
| 01:29.19 | hellues | nm-applet doesnt work |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | streuner: and not Pinky ? |
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| 01:29.37 | pyrohotdog | abrotman: No it's not... |
| 01:29.38 | hellues | it says failed to start because nm-applet couldnt find some required sources |
| 01:29.42 | streuner | abrotman: Pinky? |
| 01:29.43 | hellues | what does that mean |
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| 01:30.12 | Pinky | what about me? |
| 01:30.21 | streuner | hehe |
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| 01:31.06 | hellues | helppppppp |
| 01:31.07 | abrotman | dpkg: what do you want to do tonight |
| 01:31.12 | abrotman | oh .. :( |
| 01:31.21 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight |
| 01:31.22 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
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| 01:31.46 | cloakable | haha |
| 01:31.46 | pgpkeys | dpkg: you Pinky & The Brain lover you ;) |
| 01:31.46 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 01:31.48 | hellues | nm-applet doesnt work |
| 01:31.50 | hellues | pls hel me |
| 01:31.51 | pgpkeys | bwahahah |
| 01:31.55 | Pinky | :D |
| 01:31.56 | lunaphyte | ah, i found a program for acpi that reports No ACPI support in kernel. is there something similar for apic? i don't see anything in apt-cache that seems related. |
| 01:32.06 | Varange | thanks all, bye |
| 01:32.07 | jescis | lol @ pinky and the brain referance |
| 01:32.15 | abrotman | lunaphyte: they aren't really related |
| 01:32.15 | streuner | hellues: < |
| 01:32.19 | streuner | hellues: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 01:32.34 | abrotman | !tell lunaphyte about apic |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | !tell lunaphyte about acpi |
| 01:32.56 | lunaphyte | abrotman: no, i know - i'm just looking for a way to confirm. i've attempted to turn them both off. |
| 01:32.56 | hellues | ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:32.59 | venger | i've enabled CONFIG_FB=y and FB_VESA=y and recompiled. in lilo i set vga=791 and during boot i'm told its an invalid mode and to hit enter to list modes or press space to continue. When I hit enter all that is listed are text mode. Any suggestions? |
| 01:33.07 | lunaphyte | oh, i asked dpkg about those days ago ;) |
| 01:33.08 | streuner | hm, testing, so it seems |
| 01:33.14 | hellues | streuner, ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:33.16 | abrotman | lunaphyte: kernel options .. acpi=off noapic |
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| 01:34.01 | streuner | hellues: paste your sources.list into paste.debian.net please |
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| 01:34.44 | streuner | hellues: and the whole error/warning and command you used |
| 01:35.41 | lunaphyte | abrotman: i've done that (actually noapci noapic was what i found) - i was just curious how i might go about proving it. i'm struggling with an ntp/clock issue since i updated and am trying to rule out what variables i can as confidently as possible. |
| 01:35.44 | streuner | hellues: did you looked at BTS yet? |
| 01:35.49 | abrotman | lunaphyte: read what i wrote |
| 01:36.06 | abrotman | lunaphyte: is your clock losing time? |
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| 01:36.40 | lunaphyte | abrotman: yes. |
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| 01:37.18 | abrotman | lunaphyte: ask xand |
| 01:37.58 | mtretin | Anyone have an idea why NetworkManager works for wired networks but not for wireless networks? |
| 01:38.32 | lunaphyte | xand: hi, abrotman suggested i ask you about trouble with a clock losing time. |
| 01:38.41 | lunaphyte | (or did you mean privately?) :) |
| 01:38.45 | abrotman | lunaphyte: he might be sleeping by now |
| 01:38.48 | abrotman | lunaphyte: no .. i meant here |
| 01:39.07 | lunaphyte | well someone wake him up! how do i send a bell? |
| 01:39.10 | lunaphyte | j/k |
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| 01:41.33 | abrotman | lunaphyte: are you running sid ? |
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| 01:41.40 | lunaphyte | testing. |
| 01:41.42 | hellues | streuner, what is BTS |
| 01:41.45 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:41.45 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 01:41.59 | hellues | yes i look |
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| 01:43.05 | hellues | why debian gives an error |
| 01:43.15 | hellues | everytime debian gives an error |
| 01:43.20 | VulcanRidr | Anybody using cryptsetup/LUKS? |
| 01:43.20 | hellues | why why why ???? |
| 01:43.34 | VulcanRidr | hellues: Error on what? |
| 01:43.37 | streuner | hellues: we need more details, otherwise we cannot help |
| 01:43.59 | DustyBin | if one changes the /etc/group file, what can one do to activate the changes without restarting the machine? |
| 01:44.25 | streuner | log out and back in? |
| 01:44.33 | DustyBin | is that all? |
| 01:45.31 | DustyBin | streuner: that worked you clever sod :D |
| 01:45.35 | VulcanRidr | I have a drive on my workstation that is failing. It contains the /boot and an encrypted LVM. I have a replacement drive, but what is the best approach to replacing that drive? |
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| 01:47.12 | tuvwx | nice.. debian stable amd64 dvd torrents are more active than i thought. they are continuously being downloaded |
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| 01:47.44 | streuner | DustyBin: whats that hard to reboot the system? |
| 01:48.35 | {Roger} | anyone know a calculater for debi ?? i did a search in the repo for calculater but no results |
| 01:48.55 | streuner | kcalc? |
| 01:48.57 | streuner | bc? |
| 01:48.59 | hellues | on anything |
| 01:48.59 | hellues | i wrote nm-applet on the terminal |
| 01:48.59 | hellues | messager occured nm-applet failed to start because nm-applet couldnt fine some required sources |
| 01:49.03 | hellues | that s it |
| 01:49.05 | hellues | i couldnt find nm-applet network-manager |
| 01:49.07 | hellues | i couldnt take ip from wlan0 |
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| 01:49.11 | hellues | system knows my card |
| 01:49.13 | hellues | i said lets use wifi-radar |
| 01:49.15 | hellues | wifi-radar doesnt work |
| 01:49.27 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:49.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 01:50.17 | streuner | hellues: first of all, what are you trying to do? Get your wifi to work? |
| 01:50.51 | hellues | yes |
| 01:51.01 | hellues | my wifi works correctly |
| 01:51.09 | hellues | but i cannt take ip from wlan0 |
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| 01:51.35 | spx2 | who the fuck wrote tar ? |
| 01:52.03 | streuner | spx2: read /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
| 01:52.12 | streuner | why? |
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| 01:52.27 | streuner | hellues: you doesnt make much sense to me |
| 01:52.50 | hellues | why |
| 01:52.55 | spx2 | streuner: I am frustrated with tar |
| 01:52.55 | streuner | hellues: what for? "cant take ip from wlan0" |
| 01:52.57 | hellues | it is the reality |
| 01:53.05 | hellues | i am going insane |
| 01:53.08 | spx2 | If I have a tar with one very big file and 10 little ones |
| 01:53.14 | hellues | dhclient wlan0 doesnt work |
| 01:53.20 | spx2 | WHY THE FUCK do I have to wait +oo time to get to the little ones |
| 01:53.26 | spx2 | I want to fuck the author right in the mouth for this |
| 01:53.30 | hellues | streuner, dhclient wlan0 doesnt work ! |
| 01:53.35 | streuner | hm |
| 01:53.41 | mitya | hi all |
| 01:53.45 | hellues | nm-applet doesnt work |
| 01:53.50 | hellues | network-manager |
| 01:53.55 | spx2 | streuner: have you ever encountered this fucking problem ? |
| 01:53.56 | streuner | use interfaces tehn |
| 01:54.02 | DustyBin | im not 100% sure if ive setup my NFS in the most secure possible way, this is what ive done: |
| 01:54.04 | hellues | tehn |
| 01:54.05 | mitya | can sy help me how can I turn on the location indicator on a server ? |
| 01:54.09 | DustyBin | drwxrwx--- 8 nfs nfs 4096 2008-03-12 14:36 netstore <--- server |
| 01:54.10 | hellues | what is tehn |
| 01:54.15 | mitya | remotely :) |
| 01:54.27 | DustyBin | drwxrwx--- 8 nfs nfs 4096 Mar 12 14:36 netstore <--- client |
| 01:54.27 | abrotman | the what? |
| 01:54.31 | tuvwx | hellues, is your wifi interface listed in /sbin/ifconfig output? |
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| 01:54.37 | streuner | hellues: you need first of all a working driver and 2) you need to configure in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:54.40 | tuvwx | hellues, and is it up? |
| 01:54.47 | mitya | abrotman: the little blue led |
| 01:54.55 | DustyBin | am i right in thinking that you can treat a mounted nfs partition the same way you treat any other directory? |
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| 01:55.09 | abrotman | mitya: you're going to have to give a lot more explanation |
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| 01:55.22 | spx2 | DustyBin: some say that it can be written on safely by the time we are having this discussion ... |
| 01:55.26 | mitya | this one: http://new.mitya.madein.hu/li.jpg |
| 01:55.27 | hellues | tuvwx, |
| 01:55.33 | spx2 | DustyBin: I never took any risks on that however... |
| 01:55.34 | hellues | how can i look the output |
| 01:55.52 | abrotman | mitya: could you do that with a red arrow now? |
| 01:55.54 | hellues | streuner, |
| 01:55.58 | hellues | my driver works |
| 01:56.00 | tuvwx | hellues, by typing in the command ;) |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | mitya: what does that light do ? |
| 01:56.10 | mitya | when you have 20 rack mounted servers you can blink that led somehow (to help the operator to find the right server) |
| 01:56.14 | hellues | ls -l /sbin/ifcongi ? |
| 01:56.26 | streuner | iwconfig |
| 01:56.33 | DustyBin | on my client side, whoever is in the nfs group can access the mounted nfs partitions |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | mitya: eject? :) |
| 01:56.59 | mitya | :D |
| 01:57.13 | mitya | sometimes it is not possible :) |
| 01:57.21 | abrotman | eject isn't possible? |
| 01:57.33 | mitya | I saw it one time, but don't know how they did it :( |
| 01:57.37 | hellues | yes |
| 01:57.41 | hellues | it is lited |
| 01:57.44 | hellues | tuvwx, |
| 01:57.46 | mitya | yes, when your server has a door |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | mitya: do you know which piece of hardware it is? or which driver it might use? |
| 01:57.54 | DustyBin | what users:groups do you guys use on your NFS mounts? |
| 01:58.00 | abrotman | DustyBin: bob |
| 01:58.07 | DustyBin | bob? |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | neal? |
| 01:58.27 | mitya | abrotman: no, thats the question :) |
| 01:58.34 | hellues | hoff |
| 01:58.42 | hellues | i am bored in debian |
| 01:58.43 | DustyBin | im thinking, if 4 people use the same computer, you might only want certain people to have access to certain mounts |
| 01:58.43 | abrotman | mitya: can hwinfo or dmidecode see it ? |
| 01:58.46 | hellues | i am exhausted |
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| 01:58.53 | tuvwx | hellues, please what you want to say in the same line in which you call me. don't call and make me wait for a few minutes for you to say something. i'm doing other things you know |
| 01:58.58 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
| 01:59.01 | mitya | haven't tried it yet |
| 01:59.03 | hellues | before 30 minutes i am using wireless not i cannt use |
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| 01:59.15 | DustyBin | maybe i should add some users:groups what reflect whats on the nfs mount instead of calling everything nfs:nfs |
| 01:59.15 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 01:59.16 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 01:59.38 | tuvwx | hellues, debian doesn't do things on its own. if it stopped working you must have done something wrong |
| 01:59.51 | hellues | no |
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| 01:59.54 | xand | abrotman: lunaphyte my clock is running fine now... I installed chrony |
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| 02:00.01 | hellues | i collapse my systewm with fsck -y -f |
| 02:00.08 | hellues | and i reinstalled system |
| 02:00.10 | abrotman | xand: so it's an ntp bug? did you file? |
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| 02:00.15 | hellues | i installed network-manager |
| 02:00.27 | xand | abrotman: no, it also lost time without ntp running |
| 02:00.32 | xand | I think. |
| 02:00.33 | hellues | i wrote nm-applet in gnome terminal gnome-terminal doesnt work |
| 02:00.35 | tuvwx | hellues, if problems started after installing network-manager, uninstall it |
| 02:00.40 | hellues | sorry nm-applet |
| 02:00.50 | tuvwx | hellues, same thing really |
| 02:00.57 | hellues | yes i uninstall network-manager |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | xand: uh .. weird |
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| 02:01.41 | tuvwx | hellues, you still did not answer my question. if you type '/sbin/ifconfig' in a terminal, do you see your wireless interface in the output or not? |
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| 02:02.14 | lunaphyte | abrotman, xand: if you turn chrony off does your clock still lose time? |
| 02:02.23 | tuvwx | hellues, what brand is your wifi chip? what driver are you using? how do you know it is working? |
| 02:02.26 | streuner | surely not, he didnt know about interfaces at all |
| 02:02.29 | hellues | yes |
| 02:02.33 | hellues | ues ues ues ues |
| 02:02.34 | abrotman | lunaphyte: i'm not having the issue .. don't ask me |
| 02:02.43 | hellues | yes sorry |
| 02:02.54 | hellues | tuvwx, yes |
| 02:02.56 | streuner | he surely search for a way to configure |
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| 02:03.18 | tuvwx | hellues, what is the interface name? |
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| 02:04.00 | hellues | !paste |
| 02:04.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:04.12 | Ice000 | Can someone help me out with DNS trouble on a new Debian install? |
| 02:04.29 | lunaphyte | abrotman: sorry, that was just meant as a reference. |
| 02:04.36 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:04.41 | abrotman | Ice000: be more descriptive |
| 02:04.42 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/51067 |
| 02:04.57 | Ice000 | abrotman, Iceweasel won't resolve, and xchat won't resolve, but ping will resolve. |
| 02:05.03 | Ice000 | Connecting to irc.debian.org (1.0.0.0) port 6667... |
| 02:05.08 | hellues | tuvwx, http://paste.debian.net/51067 |
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| 02:05.26 | abrotman | Ice000: what's in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 02:05.41 | Ice000 | one moment, abrotman, i'll check |
| 02:05.48 | hellues | pls help me |
| 02:05.59 | tuvwx | hellues, ok (although i only needed the wlan0 bit!) |
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| 02:06.32 | Ice000 | abrotman, may I PM it to you? |
| 02:06.34 | Ice000 | 3 lines |
| 02:06.34 | tuvwx | hellues, does 'iwconfig wlan0' work? (have to be root) |
| 02:06.44 | abrotman | Ice000: i just want to know if they are valid DNS servers |
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| 02:07.04 | hellues | yes |
| 02:07.15 | Ice000 | abrotman, it's 192.168.0.1 and 205.171.3.65 |
| 02:07.20 | tuvwx | hellues, so what is your problem? |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | Ice000: i assume the first is your router .. the second your ISP dns ? |
| 02:07.42 | Ice000 | I would assume so |
| 02:07.48 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/51068 |
| 02:07.52 | Ice000 | I don't know it, this is a foreign network to me |
| 02:07.58 | hellues | my problem is dhclient wlano doesnt work |
| 02:08.00 | Lonnie | jelly-home and abrotman, I just did the dist-upgrade from Etch to Lenny, after upgrading Etch. I get "ALERT! /dev/hda3 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
| 02:08.00 | Ice000 | I can check on the router though |
| 02:08.06 | hellues | nm-applet doesnt work |
| 02:08.16 | abrotman | Ice000: oh |
| 02:08.24 | hellues | i cannot recieve ip from wlan0 in any ways |
| 02:08.35 | tuvwx | hellues, what does dhclient wlan0 say exactly? |
| 02:08.35 | abrotman | Lonnie: multiple HDD controlers? |
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| 02:08.51 | Ice000 | abrotman, the 205 IP matches the one on the router here. |
| 02:08.58 | tuvwx | hellues, well.. you have to associate to a network before you can use dhclient |
| 02:09.08 | smxy|away | Question: I have a server that runs CentOS 5.1. I need to create an apt repository on it and create .deb packages for the repository, but I cannot find any tools, for CentOS, to allow me to do this. Pointers? |
| 02:09.09 | hellues | how |
| 02:09.18 | hellues | tuvwx, how ? |
| 02:09.20 | Ice000 | abrotman, I read something about debian using IPV6 by default |
| 02:09.22 | tuvwx | hellues, is the network encrypted? (WEP, wpa, etc) |
| 02:09.29 | Lonnie | Nope, old Hitachi laptop, single controller and single drive, and I had re-booted the system at least three times before the upgrade. |
| 02:09.34 | abrotman | Ice000: yes .. that's true |
| 02:09.34 | hellues | yes |
| 02:09.36 | Ice000 | abrotman, the network I'm used to has a newer Netgear, and this one has a cheapo Actiontec |
| 02:09.42 | Ice000 | Is there a way to disable IPv6 DNS? |
| 02:09.44 | hellues | encryted with a key wpa |
| 02:09.46 | abrotman | !ipv6 |
| 02:09.47 | dpkg | hmm... ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
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| 02:09.51 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 02:09.56 | tuvwx | hellues, do you have wpasupplicant installed? |
| 02:09.59 | Lonnie | abrotman; Nope, old Hitachi laptop, single controller and single drive, and I had re-booted the system at least three times before the upgrade. |
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| 02:10.02 | abrotman | Ice000: you'd have to google for "debian disable ipv6" |
| 02:10.09 | Ice000 | ok, thanks abrotman |
| 02:10.13 | abrotman | Lonnie: does the BIOS see it ? |
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| 02:10.29 | hellues | yes |
| 02:11.22 | phr334rchy | Can any one help Ive gone through the steps on installing xserver, wmaker but when I start xserver I get this error [XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 02:11.25 | hellues | tuvwx, yes |
| 02:11.38 | phr334rchy | im not sure what the error means |
| 02:11.38 | tuvwx | hellues, you have a few options: edit /etc/network/interfaces to indicate the essid (network name) and wpa key ... etc., or use nm-applet and fill in your network information |
| 02:12.00 | tuvwx | hellues, man interfaces for the former, or just try nm-applet for the latter |
| 02:12.07 | Lonnie | abrotman; yes and no, sees the proper cylinders, heads and sectors but sees it as an 8G instead of the 30G that it is. |
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| 02:12.33 | hellues | nm-applet says |
| 02:12.44 | smxy|away | Question: I have a server that runs CentOS 5.1. I need to create an apt repository on it and create .deb packages for the repository, but I cannot find any tools, for CentOS, to allow me to do this. Pointers? |
| 02:13.01 | hellues | failed to start because nm-appletcouldnt find some reuired sources tuvwx |
| 02:13.09 | tuvwx | hellues, actually man wireless, not interfaces |
| 02:13.32 | tuvwx | hellues, what sources? do you have an exact message? |
| 02:13.38 | phr334rchy | can any one help with my xserver problem |
| 02:13.43 | abrotman | !tell rrbox about away |
| 02:13.51 | hellues | this is exact message tuvwx |
| 02:14.00 | tuvwx | hellues, is nm-applet installed? |
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| 02:14.49 | hellues | yes |
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| 02:15.09 | hellues | su |
| 02:15.12 | tuvwx | hellues, can you run it? |
| 02:15.32 | hellues | yes |
| 02:15.34 | hellues | i run |
| 02:15.40 | Ralanti | Anyone have suggestions for a mangled udev install? I can't seem to get permissions to grab a pty as a normal user. Even if I chmod or chown one |
| 02:15.46 | jescis | I ran envy and installed the nvidia drivers. So I had to reboot. So, now I'm back for more sdin and punishment ;) |
| 02:15.57 | abrotman | first mistake |
| 02:16.19 | tuvwx | hellues, well, just right click and look for configuration or settings or whatever it is. i don't have wireless on this machine so i don't really know what are the exact names |
| 02:16.56 | Lonnie | Well, going to see about putting some thing else on there, this is getting to be a real PITA, but I sure thank you for your help abrotman and all. |
| 02:17.03 | hellues | hmm |
| 02:17.08 | hellues | nm-applet didnt work |
| 02:17.16 | hellues | just a message |
| 02:17.29 | tuvwx | hellues, does nm-applet show your network in the list? |
| 02:17.36 | hellues | nm-applet failed to start because nm-applet couldnt find some required sources |
| 02:17.47 | hellues | nm-applet didnt work |
| 02:17.58 | tuvwx | hellues, so you cannot run it? |
| 02:17.59 | liable | so get the sources it needs |
| 02:19.32 | hellues | just a second |
| 02:19.40 | tuvwx | hellues, are network-manager and network-manager-gnome installed? |
| 02:20.11 | Lonnie | Later then |
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| 02:23.00 | hellues | yes |
| 02:23.00 | hellues | yes yes yes |
| 02:23.24 | hellues | tuvwx, |
| 02:23.25 | liable | pr0n over irc? ;) |
| 02:23.29 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/51072 |
| 02:24.33 | tuvwx | hellues, are you running gnome? did you try to logout/login or reboot? |
| 02:25.01 | hellues | i am using gnome |
| 02:25.05 | hellues | no |
| 02:25.08 | hellues | yes |
| 02:25.09 | Dewio | could anyone recommend some kind of monitoring system for a server, that would give me something like, say, web-based graphs of resources usage trends |
| 02:25.10 | hellues | sorry |
| 02:25.15 | hellues | i reboot my machine |
| 02:25.17 | Dewio | maybe modules to track mysql and apache resources |
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| 02:25.46 | Dewio | I really have no idea where to start but manually exploring with top and catting logs to perl doesn't always serve me particularly well... |
| 02:26.47 | tuvwx | hellues, "i reboot my machine" <-- do you mean you will try and reboot now, or do you mean you already rebooted and you still get this output when trying to run nm-applet? |
| 02:26.49 | liable | hmm, theres one that uses a http for exactly that.. i forget what it is though |
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| 02:27.15 | hellues | yes |
| 02:27.23 | hellues | second one |
| 02:27.31 | hellues | but i rebooted my machine now |
| 02:27.35 | hellues | brb |
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| 02:29.16 | smxy|away | Question: Can debian be installed in a CentOS Xen VM? |
| 02:29.31 | Dewi | smxy|away: centos is a distro |
| 02:29.36 | cast | smxy|away: yes |
| 02:29.37 | Dewi | smxy|away: which is not debian |
| 02:30.02 | smxy|away | Dewi: I know that. |
| 02:30.06 | Lectus | Hello! My friend wants to install linux on his PS3. I recommended Debian of course. He needs to boot the setup from a USB pendrive. Is it possible? Any tutorials? |
| 02:30.07 | smxy|away | cast: ty |
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| 02:30.47 | smxy|away | cast: I don't really know debian ... is Ubuntu debian? |
| 02:31.10 | liable | !based on debian |
| 02:31.10 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 02:31.54 | cast | smxy|away: no, ubuntu is something else. that pisses me off. |
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| 02:32.12 | hellues | same error tuvwx |
| 02:32.14 | smxy|away | ok, next question: is there anything special I need to know/do to install debian in that CentOS Xen VM? |
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| 02:32.46 | tuvwx | hellues, so when you get this error, does the nm-applet icon show up or does the program terminate in the terminal? |
| 02:32.56 | cast | yes, you need to stfw |
| 02:33.45 | cast | make sure that both domU and dom0 either both support PAE, or botn don't, you can't mix PAE and non-PAE doms |
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| 02:34.14 | hellues | no |
| 02:34.27 | Lectus | Hello! My friend wants to install linux on his PS3. I recommended Debian of course. He needs to boot the setup from a USB pendrive. Is it possible? Any tutorials? |
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| 02:34.55 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 02:34.56 | dpkg | hmm... usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | but really .. you want google |
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| 02:38.50 | liable | i think there's even a fork/build for the platstation |
| 02:39.06 | liable | !playstation |
| 02:39.06 | dpkg | it has been said that playstation is a cool video game console. |
| 02:39.32 | tuvwx | hellues, anyway, i guess the best way to go until you get nm-applet working is to use /etc/network/interfaces. read 'man wireless' and /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian. example: you add 'wireless-essid Home' under the wlan0 interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 02:41.31 | Lewoco | How can I get a list of the fonts that I can use for an xterm? |
| 02:41.36 | smxy|away | cast: my CentOS Xen box is 64-bit and only does paravirtualization |
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| 02:44.27 | pipeline | Lewoco: xlsfonts IIRC |
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| 02:46.59 | hellues | tuvwx, |
| 02:47.02 | hellues | i fix error |
| 02:47.09 | tuvwx | hellues, what error? |
| 02:47.14 | hellues | but other strange error occur |
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| 02:47.23 | tuvwx | hellues, how did you fix it? |
| 02:47.25 | what_if | I am preseeding the debian installer and there is no main/contrib/nonfree/ selections in sources.list after install. a section of my preseed is here : http://pastebin.ca/940602 |
| 02:47.26 | hellues | cannot find some required sources |
| 02:47.29 | phr334rchy | Can any one help with this error that I am getting i try to start Xserver and get [XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed:) with 0 events remaining] im running debian 2.6.18-6-686 woody with xfree86 |
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| 02:49.13 | tuvwx | hellues, it seems to me that you have a problem with your installed packages. do you use aptitude to install? |
| 02:49.30 | hellues | gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ |
| 02:49.33 | vn | hi, im rebuilding my server and its my first experience with scsi...my box is an hp netserver e800 and in dmesg I have these messages, what do they mean? : program parted_devices is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to S_IO |
| 02:49.34 | vn | thanks |
| 02:49.39 | tuvwx | hellues, "cannot find some required sources" <- this does not make any sense |
| 02:49.54 | hellues | i wrote goole |
| 02:50.06 | what_if | vn: the driver is using a depricated syscall in linux, no worries |
| 02:50.06 | hellues | lots of result comes up tuvwx |
| 02:50.10 | hellues | !paste |
| 02:50.10 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:50.39 | vn | what_if: ok, thanks |
| 02:50.44 | vn | it's just old hardware :) |
| 02:51.31 | hellues | tuvwx, |
| 02:51.31 | vn | now, this server had windows and the 2 scsi disks were in RAID1...how does work the setup of raid on debian/linux? |
| 02:51.35 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/51073 |
| 02:51.37 | what_if | vn: yw... NOTE: when you upgrade kernels it may break your driver in the future if the driver is not moved to the new ioctl by the maintainer. |
| 02:51.42 | hellues | how can i fix this errors |
| 02:51.49 | what_if | vn: very rare though |
| 02:51.49 | vn | it detects my 2 drives as sda and sdb |
| 02:51.54 | hellues | now nma-pplet doesnt work still |
| 02:52.11 | vn | what_if:thanks for the tip |
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| 02:52.56 | SerajewelKS | wtf is X doing using 512mb of my memory? |
| 02:53.14 | SerajewelKS | the only thing i have open is a terminal and i opened that about two minutes ago |
| 02:53.50 | SerajewelKS | X seems pretty leaky as of late |
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| 02:54.29 | vn | would you NOT recommend me to setup software RAID on a p3 800 with 640Mb of RAM? |
| 02:54.32 | SerajewelKS | according to xrestop, 4.5MB is in use by resources |
| 02:54.53 | SerajewelKS | so it's not that |
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| 02:55.40 | eshaase | is it generally pretty safe to do a apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:56.12 | SerajewelKS | eshaase: depends what version of debian you're using |
| 02:56.16 | vvd | the new kde looks pretty good :) anyone knows a gtk engine that looks like (i think its called oxygen)? |
| 02:56.27 | abrotman | vn: depends what the machine is to do |
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| 02:56.42 | SerajewelKS | vvd: you actually *like* the default KDE4 theme? |
| 02:57.26 | SerajewelKS | it's one of the ugliest widget themes i have seen in a long time |
| 02:57.33 | SerajewelKS | no offense to its designers |
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| 02:57.38 | Varange | hi all. Is there any way to install ALL the packages needed to make a computer a basic workstation with aptitude? |
| 02:57.55 | vvd | SerajewelKS: yeah its pretty clean and looks ausome |
| 02:57.58 | SerajewelKS | Varange: that depends what you mean by "basic workstation" |
| 02:58.10 | vn | abrotman: webserver for small sites, low traffic mail server, managing NAS backups, bind, mysql, proftpd |
| 02:58.24 | SerajewelKS | vvd: it's ass-ugly and wastes so much space... |
| 02:58.42 | SerajewelKS | at least on the preview livecd i used |
| 02:58.56 | vvd | SerajewelKS: i tried 4.0.2 in sid |
| 02:59.03 | vvd | or was it 4.0.3 ? |
| 02:59.05 | abrotman | vn: sounds reasonable .. of course .. only testing/use can really tell |
| 02:59.31 | eshaase | SerajewelKS: stable |
| 02:59.33 | SerajewelKS | is it that gray one with a round indented menu highlight, with a billion pixels between menu items? |
| 02:59.39 | cwillu_ | is there any way to set apt priorities to downgrade any package from a particular source, without setting another source to >1000 (and thereby breaking _every_ source that matches)? |
| 02:59.47 | vn | abrotman: ok, what are the factors we are to consider when deciding if soft raid is a good idea or not? |
| 02:59.59 | SerajewelKS | eshaase: if you have not reconfigured to use testing or something then an upgrade is completely safe, or at lest very safe |
| 03:00.02 | SerajewelKS | least* |
| 03:00.15 | rrbox | abrotman: k didn't realize konversation would announce going away :) |
| 03:00.54 | abrotman | rrbox: thank you |
| 03:01.19 | SerajewelKS | has anyone else experienced X leaking memory like crazy, particularly when using iceweasel? |
| 03:01.34 | abrotman | and flash ? |
| 03:01.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i may have used flash once or twice, i don't remember |
| 03:01.56 | SerajewelKS | good chance |
| 03:02.01 | cwillu_ | SerajewelKS, in other words, as anybody experienced iceweasel leaking large amounts of xserver memory? |
| 03:02.04 | SerajewelKS | it seems to leak wih gmail as well |
| 03:02.15 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: wait .. did you use iceweasel? |
| 03:02.40 | SerajewelKS | cwillu_: if the X server cannot clean up after a client closes a connection, it's a leak in the server. at least it seems like it should be that way. |
| 03:02.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i did say that, didn't i? |
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| 03:03.00 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it was a joke .. sorry |
| 03:03.06 | cwillu_ | SerajewelKS, that's the sort of information that's handy to know :p |
| 03:03.12 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: ... i don't get it? |
| 03:03.18 | cwillu_ | SerajewelKS, not remote x by any chance? |
| 03:03.23 | SerajewelKS | cwillu_: no |
| 03:03.52 | SerajewelKS | cwillu_: are you saying that X does not clean up after clients when they disconnect? |
| 03:04.05 | SerajewelKS | cwillu_: or that iceweasel is triggering a memory leak in X? or... |
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| 03:04.31 | SerajewelKS | i did have to kill iceweasel, it would not die by itself, which is common after using gmail |
| 03:04.34 | cwillu_ | no, I asked if it was via remote X, and that gecko has (had as of ff3) issues holding images in memory that were unused, but open in another window/tab |
| 03:04.59 | SerajewelKS | cwillu_: would that not be a "resource?" |
| 03:05.31 | SerajewelKS | cwillu_: because xrestop reports 4.5MB in use from resources. not quite 500MB. |
| 03:09.26 | SerajewelKS | speaking of ff3, that coming to debian any time soon? |
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| 03:12.05 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.24 | zinx | torrr: install fail2ban or somesuch? |
| 03:12.54 | torrr | zinx, first time i hear of it |
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| 03:13.04 | drwahl | i did a tcpdump and output it to a file using "tcpdump -vvv -i eth1 | tee foo". when i try to cat that file, it outputs "Binary file (standard input) matches", but the file is over 100K, so there should be alot more than just that. any ideas what is going on here? |
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| 03:13.18 | zinx | torrr: you mean you don't know about every program that ever existed? |
| 03:13.56 | torrr | zinx, no, ... I didn't mean that :D |
| 03:14.34 | torrr | ok, do you recommend fail2ban? |
| 03:15.36 | zinx | torrr: i've never used it, but i know others who use it and like it |
| 03:15.51 | torrr | actually that poor sap doesn't have a chance , he try a username that doesn't exist |
| 03:16.26 | smxy|away | Question: is the ia64 architecture release what I need to install on an x86_64 box? |
| 03:16.46 | vn | abrotman: what are the factors we are to consider when deciding if soft raid is a good idea or not? |
| 03:17.27 | zinx | smxy|away: NO. |
| 03:17.31 | torrr | I watch his activity in wireshark, and it is quite funny.. USER tsinternetuser , PASS idiot |
| 03:17.32 | zinx | smxy|away: amd64 is what you want |
| 03:17.39 | smxy|away | zinx: ty |
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| 03:18.11 | Xcerca | is anyone familiar with xrandr ? |
| 03:18.17 | torrr | the only bad thing about it is that my log file will get filled with that |
| 03:18.34 | vn | torrr: with idiots? |
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| 03:19.10 | torrr | vn: yea, he tries the password idiot |
| 03:19.19 | torrr | vn: isn't that funny? |
| 03:19.27 | vn | yea.. |
| 03:19.34 | vn | but that ain't THE password right? |
| 03:19.34 | torrr | vn: who would choose that as password ?? |
| 03:19.43 | vn | bakagomi |
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| 03:20.14 | torrr | vn there isn't even the username that he tries |
| 03:20.28 | vn | heh |
| 03:20.33 | SerajewelKS | torrr: it's a dictionary attack |
| 03:20.44 | grul | do I need to reboot after installing madwifi drivers, or how do I find my wireless interface? |
| 03:20.56 | SerajewelKS | torrr: put something in iptables to drop his connection; that's what i usually do |
| 03:21.21 | torrr | SerajewelKS, yes, I don't know how to do it yet |
| 03:21.28 | SerajewelKS | torrr: 20 bucks says if you whois the IP, it's somewhere in aisa, turkey, nigeria, or a middle-eastern country |
| 03:21.49 | torrr | lets see |
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| 03:22.35 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:22.45 | SerajewelKS | taiwan |
| 03:22.46 | vn | chinese |
| 03:22.50 | vn | taiwan |
| 03:22.50 | vn | yea |
| 03:23.00 | SerajewelKS | cwillu_: huh, there's an archived bug on the bts |
| 03:23.12 | SerajewelKS | cwillu_: seems iceweasel + google maps = big leaks |
| 03:23.18 | vn | uhm...am I supposed to setup a soft RAID during the install or after? |
| 03:23.20 | SerajewelKS | cwillu_: i was using google maps for quite some time... |
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| 03:23.49 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: well, uh, iceweasel + any javascript = big leaks |
| 03:24.12 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: true, but not in the X server |
| 03:24.32 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: this seems to be related to iceweasel asking for large pixmaps in the server and the server never freeing them |
| 03:24.34 | Heavy-D | hey guys, i'm having trouble getting some pictures to work on my webserver. I put them in a folder in the root directory of the webserver but no matter what I do it's giving me access denied. |
| 03:24.42 | SerajewelKS | !dbugs 457957 |
| 03:24.46 | dpkg | #457957:I[xserver-xorg-core] xserver-xorg: X server eats too much memory; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:51:01 UTC |
| 03:24.48 | Heavy-D | However another picture in an images/ folder I made earlier is working fine, any ideas? |
| 03:24.56 | Nyle | Heavy-D, file permissions |
| 03:25.06 | Nyle | Heavy-D, /msg dpkg permissions |
| 03:25.24 | SerajewelKS | and it's not an archived bug actually, it is still open |
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| 03:25.38 | pipeline | smxy|away: ia64 systems are <$2k now though :) |
| 03:25.46 | cTATUK | What's the x startup script that's automatically executed after X is started? |
| 03:25.50 | pipeline | Heavy-D: permissions |
| 03:25.51 | Nyle | I'm almost wasted, but I think that... Heavy-D I personally use UserDir module and use bla.com/~user/ |
| 03:25.52 | torrr | I think he gave up |
| 03:25.56 | cTATUK | ~/.Xinitrc or something? |
| 03:25.58 | smxy|away | :) |
| 03:25.59 | Heavy-D | Nyle, i've got adaquate permiissions on them I believe |
| 03:26.01 | Nyle | Heavy-D, and put everythingin ~/public_html |
| 03:26.05 | smxy|away | alphas, right? |
| 03:26.10 | pipeline | cTATUK: ~/.xsession, ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:26.21 | cTATUK | what's the difference between the two? |
| 03:26.23 | pipeline | smxy|away: ia64 is what killed alpha |
| 03:26.29 | pipeline | cTATUK: don't use ~/.xinitrc is the difference :) |
| 03:26.42 | cTATUK | reason? |
| 03:26.56 | pipeline | cTATUK: don't remember |
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| 03:27.07 | smxy|away | Anyway, is there a cheat-sheet for the major differences between RHEL and Debian? I have only ever worked with RH and I need to come up to speed on Debian FAST. |
| 03:27.14 | cTATUK | hm i probably know but k thanks |
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| 03:30.10 | smxy|away | I'm burning the netinst iso now, then want to do a minimal install - just enough to get the tools needed to set up an apt repository and create .deb packages to put in it. |
| 03:30.23 | smxy|away | But I have never used Debian before. |
| 03:31.22 | goauld | smxy|away: dont worry, the menu is quite easy to follow |
| 03:31.30 | simonrvn | ...and you want to set up a local repo? |
| 03:31.54 | Nyle | hey simonrvn |
| 03:32.04 | simonrvn | hi |
| 03:32.18 | Nyle | hows it going? |
| 03:32.36 | simonrvn | tired |
| 03:32.53 | smxy|away | I currently run a repository of native software for the iPhone. I am migrating to a new Installer program that is really just a front end to an apt repository that serves .deb files of the iPhone applications. I need to create the repository and make the .deb files. |
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| 03:33.25 | smxy|away | I will make/test/maintain the repository locally and rsync it to my CentOS servers for public access. |
| 03:33.32 | Nyle | simonrvn, yes I party much I am wasted too and tired |
| 03:33.39 | xxiao | stew: r u there |
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| 03:33.57 | pipeline | smxy|away: heh, you could just use the debootstrap script to build yourself a nice little chroot. |
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| 03:34.43 | smxy|away | the debian box is here in my den. The CentOS boxes are out on the 'Net. :) |
| 03:34.46 | torrr | say is snortip also for this purpose? |
| 03:35.03 | smxy|away | My little connection here at home could never handle the traffic. :) |
| 03:35.09 | Nyle | pipeline, how little? |
| 03:35.13 | Nyle | smxy|away, ^^ |
| 03:35.16 | smxy|away | 60Mbit a day |
| 03:35.17 | Nyle | dialup? |
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| 03:35.40 | smxy|away | er. 60Mbit/sec |
| 03:35.49 | Nyle | ok |
| 03:35.49 | smxy|away | I do a lot of traffic :) |
| 03:36.02 | Nyle | per day aiint that much |
| 03:36.06 | Nyle | per second, ok thats something |
| 03:36.17 | smxy|away | current repo's stats: http://blog.psmxy.org/pkg-stats |
| 03:36.41 | Nyle | smxy|away, what do you do with iphones? mod them? |
| 03:37.14 | smxy|away | I get apps from developers, clean the up, package them and host them in a repository for download with an Installer program. |
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| 03:37.30 | Nyle | i see, and you make debian packages? |
| 03:38.12 | smxy|away | Not yet. But the new Installer program uses an apt repository of .deb packages as its backaend so I need to create a repository and the packages for it. |
| 03:38.24 | Nyle | uhh huh |
| 03:38.32 | smxy|away | Hence my need to come up to speed on Debian asap |
| 03:38.42 | smxy|away | I have 300 packages to do |
| 03:38.51 | Nyle | and this sucks? |
| 03:39.07 | smxy|away | no, not really. I just need to learn Debian is all. |
| 03:39.15 | Nyle | ok then |
| 03:39.25 | Nyle | smxy|away, you've skimmed/read the installation guide |
| 03:39.26 | Nyle | ? |
| 03:39.49 | smxy|away | I have been a RH admin for years, so what I really want to do is just learn how debian is different and to do what I already know how to do in RH. |
| 03:40.12 | Nyle | its pretty much standard linux based os like RHEL |
| 03:40.23 | smxy|away | Nyle: about to do that. Just finished burning the netinst iso ... |
| 03:40.26 | Nyle | the tools debian uses are some of the best ever developed imo |
| 03:40.34 | simonrvn | smxy|away: those iphone cpus are arms, right? |
| 03:40.41 | smxy|away | yes |
| 03:40.45 | simonrvn | debian suppors arm |
| 03:40.45 | Nyle | smxy|away, like apt for example |
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| 03:40.50 | simonrvn | supports |
| 03:40.51 | smxy|away | I will not be building from soource |
| 03:41.00 | smxy|away | I get binary distributions from the devs |
| 03:41.03 | what_if | how do I get the installer pressed file to install the "default" debian repositories ? My config is at : http://pastebin.ca/940646 |
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| 03:41.20 | what_if | what are the "default" repositories even ?? |
| 03:41.22 | smxy|away | I just need to wrap them up properly as .debs |
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| 03:41.39 | Nyle | so they are not real debian packages even |
| 03:41.44 | smxy|away | nope |
| 03:41.53 | smxy|away | they just use that format |
| 03:42.02 | smxy|away | and the same tools |
| 03:42.04 | simonrvn | smxy|away: running those rpms through alien aren't always going to be satisfactory.. just a heads up |
| 03:42.19 | Nyle | and what is the target installation os? debian? |
| 03:42.20 | smxy|away | there are no rpms involved ... |
| 03:42.41 | smxy|away | nyle, the iPhone |
| 03:42.42 | Nyle | why use .deb? |
| 03:42.50 | Nyle | iphone uses .deb files? |
| 03:42.52 | Nyle | wtf |
| 03:42.55 | simonrvn | so you just get them as binaries, in tarballs? |
| 03:42.56 | smxy|away | sigh |
| 03:43.23 | Nyle | alright |
| 03:43.23 | smxy|away | The developer of the new Installer program chose to make his program use an apt repository with .deb files as it's backend. |
| 03:43.25 | smxy|away | that is all |
| 03:43.31 | Nyle | whatever |
| 03:43.38 | Nyle | that doesn't need to be discusses anyway |
| 03:43.46 | smxy|away | yes, I get a zip of the binary as it should look on the phone. |
| 03:44.03 | Nyle | but why make .debs? |
| 03:44.12 | smxy|away | I just need to take that and make it into a .deb that apt can use, which will then be used to install it on the phone |
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| 03:44.21 | smxy|away | because that's what the developer chose. |
| 03:44.22 | simonrvn | smxy|away: my point is that that isn't the usual way debs are made. in some ways it's going to be easier, but in some ways not |
| 03:44.30 | smxy|away | I didn't. |
| 03:44.31 | Nyle | smxy|away, i see, they are idiots. |
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| 03:44.58 | simonrvn | it's a bit odd, certainly |
| 03:45.07 | Nyle | I go beyond odd |
| 03:45.10 | Nyle | I say idiotic. |
| 03:45.14 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 03:45.19 | smxy|away | well, in any case, I need to so it :) |
| 03:45.26 | smxy|away | ... to do* it |
| 03:45.39 | Nyle | smxy|away, life's a bitch and then you install debian. |
| 03:45.42 | simonrvn | good luck, you'll need it. you got your work cut out for you |
| 03:45.47 | Nyle | I think that is what they say |
| 03:46.00 | kernfreak | hello all |
| 03:46.10 | simonrvn | personally, i get the source and build it myself on an arm box |
| 03:46.17 | Nyle | kernfreak, would you like 700 or so people to say hi to you? |
| 03:46.23 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:46.25 | simonrvn | i'd* |
| 03:46.28 | kernfreak | yes |
| 03:46.30 | smxy|away | the source is not always available anyway |
| 03:46.30 | kernfreak | lol |
| 03:46.43 | smxy|away | all I get are binary distributions, period |
| 03:46.45 | simonrvn | Total of 760 nicks (2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 758 normal) |
| 03:46.56 | Nyle | we are NOT normal. |
| 03:46.58 | amphi | Nyle: you're jolly these evening |
| 03:47.04 | simonrvn | smxy|away: i understand |
| 03:47.04 | Nyle | amphi, its my birthday |
| 03:47.13 | Nyle | and I'm wasted |
| 03:47.15 | amphi | Nyle jayanti? |
| 03:47.18 | simonrvn | Nyle: HAPPY BIRFDAY! |
| 03:47.23 | Nyle | thanks |
| 03:47.25 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:47.32 | Nyle | amphi, janam din |
| 03:47.38 | Nyle | amphi, close :) |
| 03:47.40 | smxy|away | the vast majority of the packages will do nothing more than put a directory and its contents into /Applications on the iPhone. |
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| 03:47.52 | smxy|away | that's it |
| 03:47.55 | Nyle | amphi, well thats the way I pronounce it |
| 03:47.56 | kernfreak | binary is ok but, everytime I try to compile the binary I get errors |
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| 03:48.00 | simonrvn | oh my |
| 03:48.07 | Nyle | um |
| 03:48.16 | Nyle | you compile a binary out of a binary? |
| 03:48.16 | Nyle | wow |
| 03:48.21 | kernfreak | lol |
| 03:48.24 | simonrvn | smxy|away: like i said, you have your work cut out for you |
| 03:48.26 | kernfreak | "joke" |
| 03:48.27 | amphi | Nyle: 'jayanti' is really for dead important people, like buddha jayanti ;) |
| 03:48.43 | Nyle | amphi, nm |
| 03:48.52 | smxy|away | that is why I am here, asking questions :) |
| 03:49.01 | smxy|away | so I can learn |
| 03:49.02 | Nyle | amphi, I don't have a clue wtf you are on about half the time =( |
| 03:49.12 | kernfreak | lol |
| 03:49.20 | Nyle | amphi, the other half of the time I have no idea wtf you're on about |
| 03:49.26 | Nyle | amphi, so you see my problem here? |
| 03:49.29 | simonrvn | you're not going to learn how to do this from irc... this is complex |
| 03:49.35 | amphi | Nyle: problem? no... |
| 03:49.52 | Nyle | amphi, my problem is: "what are you taling about" |
| 03:49.53 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:50.02 | amphi | Nyle: I gathered |
| 03:50.04 | Nyle | seriously this dude confuses me more than anyone else |
| 03:50.08 | simonrvn | smxy|away: /msg dpkg nmg for starters; the rest you'll have to figure out yourself |
| 03:50.11 | Nyle | lol |
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| 03:50.29 | Nyle | simonrvn, its weird |
| 03:50.32 | smxy|away | ok, thank you for the pointer :) |
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| 03:50.55 | kernfreak | lol need a cipher |
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| 03:51.04 | smxy|away | but first I have to install debian on this box :) |
| 03:51.09 | simonrvn | it's a very "non-standard" thing to do |
| 03:51.15 | n3kl | Hi. Where is the location of the file that tracks installed packages? |
| 03:51.26 | kernfreak | :/ |
| 03:51.27 | Nyle | n3kl, apt or aptitude? |
| 03:51.32 | simonrvn | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 03:51.50 | Nyle | simonrvn, I was thinking about logs |
| 03:51.52 | simonrvn | !very fubar status file |
| 03:51.52 | dpkg | ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first |
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| 03:52.50 | simonrvn | status file tracks them too ;) |
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| 03:55.42 | n3kl | Nyle: apt_ |
| 03:56.28 | n3kl | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 03:58.50 | Nyle | why? |
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| 04:23.28 | torrr | what does this mean? |
| 04:23.35 | torrr | Mar 10 17:52:03 localhost pam_pwdfile[5537]: user not found in password database |
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| 04:25.05 | gan | i compiled a kernel , the aufs compild for this not loading perfectly with kernel why? |
| 04:25.10 | n3kl | I have just installed my system, install iceaweasel, and I am unable to launch the appliction. Is there something magical I have to do? |
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| 04:32.14 | grand_grunt | torrr: where? In auth.log? |
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| 04:32.35 | torrr | Yes |
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| 04:34.33 | grand_grunt | torrr: torrr : somebody gave a wrong user name at login |
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| 04:35.18 | torrr | ah |
| 04:35.36 | torrr | can i see the username? |
| 04:35.39 | grand_grunt | torrr: what is strange is that my own Debian doesn't write the same log in this case.. try to login with a false name, and have a look to auth.log |
| 04:35.56 | torrr | ok |
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| 04:37.28 | grand_grunt | torrr: I don't know a way to get the name given if the access is local. All I see is that sshd gives it |
| 04:37.43 | gan | compiled aufs is not loaded perfectly with the kernel , when i boot the livecd why? |
| 04:38.42 | torrr | yes me too |
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| 04:40.50 | Tramp | torrr: libpam-pwdfile (which seems to write this message) is something not usually used. |
| 04:41.37 | torrr | Tramp, i use it with vsftpd i think |
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| 04:46.11 | Tramp | torrr: grep pwdfile /etc/pam.d/* |
| 04:47.25 | torrr | /etc/pam.d/vsftpd:auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdfile.so pwdfile /etc/vsftpd.passwd flock |
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| 04:48.44 | Tramp | torrr: so now you advanced from "think" to "know" 8) |
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| 04:49.08 | torrr | yup |
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| 04:50.29 | torrr | i actually know because i set it up this way, i am just not too good with remembering names |
| 04:50.49 | torrr | so i wasn't sure |
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| 04:55.07 | syntaxx | in squid acl aclname time MTWHF 12:00-13:00 wont work in 12 noon and 1 in the afternoon anyidea? |
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| 04:58.04 | gan | compiled aufs is not loaded perfectly with the kernel , when i boot the livecd why? |
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| 04:59.29 | phorce1 | Kind of annoying not having all of my panel shortcuts on the other screen though. |
| 05:00.37 | Tramp | syntaxx: well "aclname" is a bit an unusual name for an acl, but certainly legal. Do you actually use this acl somewhere? |
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| 05:05.19 | syntaxx | Tramp: nope ive got acl working time MTWHF 12:00-13:00 |
| 05:06.18 | torrr | it seems like fail2ban expect something else to be at the log for vsftpd |
| 05:07.25 | Tramp | syntaxx: ... and do you actually use this acl somewhere ... |
| 05:08.32 | syntaxx | Tramp: nope |
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| 05:08.56 | Tramp | syntaxx: this could be part of the problem. |
| 05:09.08 | syntaxx | Tramp: is it possible to use both? for different time 6 in the evening onwards |
| 05:11.14 | Tramp | syntaxx: you can have as many acls as you want. But you have to use them. |
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| 05:12.01 | intx | is there somewhere I can view a list of changes in the kernel since version x.x.x? |
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| 05:12.28 | intx | i'm trying to determine whether a realtek nic driver might've had a bug that has been fixed from 2.6.19.2 to the latest version |
| 05:12.34 | phorce1 | intx: changelog? |
| 05:12.43 | syntaxx | Tramp: i have acl working time MTWHF 12:00-13:00 http_access allow working |
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| 05:12.48 | intx | changelog is per kernel isn't it? or does it show all the history? |
| 05:12.59 | phorce1 | intx: for that, changelog from the driver code tree might be more helpful |
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| 05:13.26 | ricosecada | I just installed phppgadmin to access postgresql, after the installation I created a symbolic link from /usr/share/phppgadmin to /var/www, but when I try to access phppgadmin, I get a 403 error - no access. I have checked access on the files and they are set 755. What am I missing here? |
| 05:13.52 | Tramp | syntaxx: well. This should allow access from 12-13 (provided it is the first rule that matches) |
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| 05:14.25 | syntaxx | Tramp: yeah then i need to put another acl working2 time MTWHF 18:00-24:00 is it alright? |
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| 05:16.14 | Tramp | syntaxx: yes (with "http_access allow working2" of course) - and provided that your policy is "deny". |
| 05:16.24 | phorce1 | not being able to drag windows from one screen to the other without turning on xinerama kinda sucks too |
| 05:17.36 | syntaxx | Tramp: thats the problem im having when i remove the other one it works |
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| 05:19.44 | Yggdrasil | hello dumb qeustion here, ive got iptables, and a lan ethernet card and a wan internet ethernet card, on the box ican ping to the internet , is there a simple iptables cmd to forward from the lan to the internet ? |
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| 05:23.27 | k-man | how can i see the buildeps for a particular package? |
| 05:24.19 | amphi | Yggdrasil: install ipmasq perhaps |
| 05:24.36 | Yggdrasil | hm |
| 05:24.53 | Yggdrasil | im trying to run a minimal floppy disk , it just has iptables |
| 05:24.57 | Yggdrasil | no package mgr |
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| 05:27.17 | amphi | Yggdrasil: there's an iptables howto at tldp.org, and more info than you probably want at netfilter.orf |
| 05:27.20 | amphi | *org |
| 05:27.40 | Yggdrasil | thnks ill read i guese |
| 05:27.45 | Tramp | !ipmasquerade |
| 05:27.45 | dpkg | ipmasquerade is, like, substitute eth0 for your ext NIC, and substitute 192.168.1.0/24 for your internal network |
| 05:27.46 | Yggdrasil | i ve been reading for about 2 hors |
| 05:28.08 | Yggdrasil | http://the.earth.li/~martin/sisela/ |
| 05:28.14 | Yggdrasil | i used to have debian on this old laptop |
| 05:28.19 | phorce1 | Yggdrasil: There has to be a way because that's basically what the ipcop firewall does. I think it needs a CD to boot from though. No HD required but too bif for a floppy |
| 05:28.51 | phorce1 | s.bif/big |
| 05:28.52 | Yggdrasil | and it did fine with monmotha script but , the hard drive crashed so im trying use that ^^ a |
| 05:28.55 | Yggdrasil | yea |
| 05:29.01 | Tramp | Yggdrasil: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=ipmasquerade |
| 05:29.06 | Yggdrasil | and it would be fine but it doesnt have bsh |
| 05:29.23 | Yggdrasil | bash so i cant fire off my firewallscript |
| 05:29.29 | Yggdrasil | or something |
| 05:29.49 | cloner | Yggdrasil, I didn't do much reading when I ran iptables, all I did was copy the script from online somwhere and then run the script, go find a script |
| 05:30.03 | Yggdrasil | i have one |
| 05:30.06 | Yggdrasil | it wont run |
| 05:30.12 | Yggdrasil | and yes its +x |
| 05:30.16 | cloner | Oh, you dont have bash |
| 05:30.22 | Yggdrasil | i think thats whats up |
| 05:30.33 | Yggdrasil | # ls |
| 05:30.33 | Yggdrasil | firewall.sh |
| 05:30.33 | Yggdrasil | # /home/firewall.sh |
| 05:30.33 | Yggdrasil | /home/firewall.sh: not found |
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| 05:30.35 | cloner | well, how did you make it +x without bash |
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| 05:30.40 | Yggdrasil | sorry. |
| 05:30.48 | cloner | well, how did you make it +x without bash |
| 05:30.53 | phorce1 | should at least have sh, right? Can you type "echo boo" and have it echoed to the screen after boot? |
| 05:30.59 | Yggdrasil | chmod +x |
| 05:31.09 | Yggdrasil | its busybox ? |
| 05:31.18 | cloner | how did you chmod with out bash |
| 05:31.24 | Yggdrasil | chmod |
| 05:31.29 | phorce1 | Yggdrasil: ls /home/ |
| 05:31.41 | Yggdrasil | i created home |
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| 05:31.48 | Yggdrasil | # ls |
| 05:31.48 | Yggdrasil | firewall.sh |
| 05:31.48 | Yggdrasil | # /home/firewall.sh |
| 05:31.48 | Yggdrasil | /home/firewall.sh: not found |
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| 05:31.49 | lkthomas | hey guys |
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| 05:31.57 | lkthomas | how could I do tcp ping ? |
| 05:32.08 | Yggdrasil | damit , sorry http://the.earth.li/~martin/sisela/ |
| 05:32.13 | Yggdrasil | that is what im using |
| 05:32.15 | cloner | ping 127.0.0.0 |
| 05:32.19 | cloner | or 1 |
| 05:32.21 | lkthomas | that's icmp |
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| 05:32.35 | cloner | ping www.googl.com |
| 05:32.40 | cloner | ping www.google.com |
| 05:32.42 | lkthomas | that's icmp as well |
| 05:32.47 | Tramp | lkthomas: yes. Thus "tcp ping" is nonsense. |
| 05:32.57 | phorce1 | Yggdrasil: cd / ; ls -l /home/ |
| 05:32.59 | lkthomas | ping a port |
| 05:32.59 | cloner | Tramp, hahah |
| 05:33.15 | phorce1 | Yggdrasil: but easy on the paste or you'll get flood kicked |
| 05:33.23 | Tramp | lkthomas: you cannot ping a port. You mean "scan a port". man nmap. |
| 05:33.28 | Yggdrasil | -rwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 56178 Mar 11 08:11 firewall.sh |
| 05:33.34 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 05:35.14 | phorce1 | Yggdrasil: numeric uid/gid --- try "id" |
| 05:35.37 | Yggdrasil | say again |
| 05:35.40 | cTATUK | Does anyone know how to allow multiple-resolution connections to x11vnc? It appears as if it only accepts resolutions of the type the first connection to it was made with.. |
| 05:36.09 | phorce1 | Yggdrasil: Does busybox have the "id" command? |
| 05:36.13 | Yggdrasil | no |
| 05:36.18 | Yggdrasil | not found |
| 05:37.16 | phorce1 | cd /home/ ; ./firewall.sh (try running it from /home without using a full path) |
| 05:37.30 | Yggdrasil | haha tried that |
| 05:37.40 | Yggdrasil | wait but heres soemthing funny |
| 05:37.48 | phorce1 | Yggdrasil: then try copying firewall.sh to / and running it from there |
| 05:37.59 | Yggdrasil | ok didnt try that actually let me try somethign else |
| 05:38.09 | phorce1 | what's funny |
| 05:38.38 | Yggdrasil | If you save the commands you use to /floppy/boot.sh, they will be executed |
| 05:38.38 | Yggdrasil | automatically next time I start. |
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| 05:39.53 | phorce1 | also, it's a firewall script. Try making permissions 755 |
| 05:40.03 | Yggdrasil | ok thats a good idea |
| 05:40.37 | Yggdrasil | ok thanks ill brb |
| 05:40.39 | torrr | anyone knows fail2ban configuration? |
| 05:41.11 | phorce1 | Yggdrasil: Mine are 555 so I won't go editing them without thinking about it for an extra couple of seconds beforehand while I chmod them to allow me to wite them out after edit. |
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| 05:55.53 | tengulre | hi, when I boot machine I stopped on Wait for root filesystem.. why? |
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| 06:10.33 | k-man | you know how you can apt-get install package/testing or something |
| 06:10.43 | k-man | how do i do the same but to build a source package from testing? |
| 06:11.15 | kgoetz | !tell k-man about ssb |
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| 06:15.39 | cTATUK | how can I check which package is providing my browser's flash capability? |
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| 06:27.41 | Caelum | anyone know which program unpacks .sit files? |
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| 06:30.49 | Caelum | never mind |
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| 06:52.32 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone tell me what the application is to change brightness in Xorg? |
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| 07:13.23 | Coweater | EruditeHermit: DDCcontrol or Xvattr |
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| 07:14.36 | vn | hi, can anyone tell me what's in root@sys6x:/var/spool/exim4/input# rm -rf * |
| 07:14.36 | vn | bash: /bin/rm: Liste d'arguments trop longue |
| 07:14.42 | vn | oops wrong paste |
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| 07:15.01 | vn | well...in /var/spool/exim4/input |
| 07:15.11 | EruditeHermit | Coweater: does that make gnome-power-manager display brightness aware too? |
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| 07:15.24 | vn | it's eating my HD |
| 07:16.18 | Coweater | EruditeHermit: hmm, are you looking to adjust an lcd's light source? |
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| 07:17.11 | EruditeHermit | Coweater: yes |
| 07:18.08 | EruditeHermit | Coweater: basically I have ubuntu and debian installed on the same box. In ubuntu, gnome-power-manager controls the backlight, but in debian it doesn't have options for the backlight. I wanted to get it to work in debian |
| 07:19.24 | Coweater | neither of those is any good then |
| 07:19.49 | Coweater | what kind of laptop is it? |
| 07:21.25 | EruditeHermit | Coweater: Dell Inspiron 8600 |
| 07:21.42 | EruditeHermit | Coweater: xbacklight says that the display isn't backlight aware in debian |
| 07:21.48 | EruditeHermit | Coweater: I haven't checked in ubuntu |
| 07:21.52 | EruditeHermit | its weird |
| 07:22.03 | daya | how do I build .deb pkg from source code, .tar.gz |
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| 07:23.09 | cafuego | daya: using debhelper |
| 07:23.21 | cafuego | daya: or, at a pinch, using checkinstall. |
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| 07:24.58 | daya | cafuego, debhelper , I have installed it and then, could u provide me detail, |
| 07:25.48 | vn | how do I delete all files in a directory that has tens of thousands of 'em...? |
| 07:26.05 | vn | can't do a rm -rf * because it says too much arguments |
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| 07:26.25 | tarzeau | vn: mc can do that or you use xargs |
| 07:26.43 | vn | k |
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| 07:33.05 | vn | my hard drive is full and everytime I delete something big, it fills back automatically...how can I know what's going on? |
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| 07:36.38 | semprix | vn look for the inodes |
| 07:37.59 | vn | uhm the biggest the inode is the newer the file is? |
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| 07:39.02 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:39.18 | nix_chix0r | morning dimir |
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| 07:40.59 | pungent | I'm on ubuntu livecd. Is there an easy way to install debian from there? |
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| 07:41.12 | pungent | via the internet that is.. |
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| 07:42.01 | nix_chix0r | there is a net install |
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| 07:44.13 | pungent | nix_chix0r: there is,, but I can't find the instructions. |
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| 07:45.30 | aspWork | what is the best way to integrate cvs in nautilus under debian? I found apotheke, but its not in the rep and seems really outdated? I am looking for something like tortoisecvs integration under gnome? |
| 07:45.43 | cloner | pungent, no |
| 07:45.59 | cloner | pungent, its easier to boot the net install |
| 07:46.48 | nix_chix0r | pungent, http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot |
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| 07:47.35 | pungent | cloner: So i have to set up a server locally aye? |
| 07:48.01 | nix_chix0r | well at least I know you can read |
| 07:48.24 | cloner | pungent, no man, just download the net install cd or even the floppy, copy them to media, put media in, and restart the computer |
| 07:49.24 | nix_chix0r | can't explain it any easier than that |
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| 07:50.23 | nix_chix0r | hopefully you don't have nic problems like i did |
| 07:50.36 | pungent | cloner,nix_chix0r: don't have any blank media lying around. that was the reason i asked. anyways.. thanks , |
| 07:50.53 | cloner | hmm, what about floppies? |
| 07:50.59 | pungent | laptop |
| 07:51.19 | cloner | pungent, they have a dollar store, blanks |
| 07:51.22 | nix_chix0r | i managed to install it, on my laptop that doesn't have a cd or floppy drive |
| 07:51.33 | nix_chix0r | get a floppy heh |
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| 07:51.48 | cloner | pungent, and think there is a harddrive option |
| 07:51.59 | cloner | copy some files to harrdrive and boot them |
| 07:52.08 | pungent | cloner: that can be done |
| 07:52.17 | pungent | i was about to ask |
| 07:52.29 | cloner | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 07:52.53 | cloner | pungent, do you have a usb stick?? |
| 07:53.10 | pungent | cloner: yup |
| 07:53.42 | cloner | pungent, you are off then |
| 07:53.47 | pungent | cool |
| 07:53.49 | pungent | thanks |
| 07:53.53 | cloner | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2530967 |
| 07:54.43 | pungent | yup saw that |
| 07:55.19 | cloner | pungent, let me know if your system boots the memory stick, cause then I will do it like that next time |
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| 07:57.12 | cloner | pungent, they show how to do it the way you originaly wanted to, by copying to the harddrive |
| 07:57.24 | cloner | pungent, 4.5. Preparing Files for Hard Disk Booting |
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| 07:58.07 | htraki | hi,guys |
| 07:58.16 | nix_chix0r | i had to boot mine from flash |
| 07:58.22 | htraki | I need a bit help using sed |
| 07:58.25 | phorce1 | Is there an X window manager that has been optimized for multi-monitor use (like, for example, the gimp has been written so that it can be moved to another screen without xinerama enabled -- is there a WM that will allow that for all apps?)? |
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| 07:59.38 | htraki | The task is simple: remove the Content-type: text/html text from html |
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| 08:00.07 | htraki | How can I do that |
| 08:00.08 | htraki | ? |
| 08:01.04 | phorce1 | htraki: with sed |
| 08:01.04 | htraki | yes |
| 08:01.09 | phorce1 | yes, with sed. that's how you can do it |
| 08:01.19 | htraki | yes |
| 08:01.41 | htraki | I dont understand sed syntax |
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| 08:02.13 | phorce1 | serach and replace is easy -- s/oldword/replacement |
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| 08:03.13 | phorce1 | so s/"Content-type: text/html"/"" would most likely work for you. (replace that string with nothing) |
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| 08:03.58 | krinns | hi all |
| 08:03.58 | htraki | sed s/"Content-type: text/html"/"" < html file ? |
| 08:04.04 | krinns | any one works on debian |
| 08:04.09 | htraki | me |
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| 08:05.04 | phorce1 | htraki: man sed. I haven't actually had to use it in a while. Stream EDitor so you most likely have to redirect the output as well |
| 08:05.24 | htraki | ok,thank you |
| 08:06.12 | liable | sed -ie 's/foo/bar/' file |
| 08:07.14 | liable | or just i actually |
| 08:07.22 | htraki | liable,thank you |
| 08:07.30 | liable | np |
| 08:07.52 | pppZero | is there a way to convince apt that a package is installed when its not? |
| 08:08.44 | jelly-home | pppZero: to what purpose? /msg dpkg equivs |
| 08:09.30 | pppZero | i installed qmail by hand, now apt wants to install postfix |
| 08:09.48 | pppZero | and ty :) |
| 08:10.17 | liable | i think there is a null package for a mta |
| 08:10.42 | jelly-home | "nullmailer" is not a null package. :-) |
| 08:11.41 | liable | i thought there was one that didnt really install an mta, but satisfied the depends |
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| 08:12.36 | phorce1 | liable: thank you, been a while. htraki sed commands are "scripts" so they have to be between the ' ' and it expects a filename to work on so you don't use "<" redirection for the input file. And, if you are TESTING your expressions for replacing bits then work on a COPY of the file first. sed does its work on the file "in place" immediately. |
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| 08:14.25 | liable | if you dont give it -i, it just outputs to stdout iirc |
| 08:14.30 | jelly-home | liable: eh, aptitude search '~P mail-transport-agent' |
| 08:15.19 | liable | jelly-home: my memory lied to me! |
| 08:16.03 | jelly-home | liable: I resemble that remark |
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| 08:16.36 | pppZero | anyway, thanks ladies & gentlemen, i'm off to make itty bitty debian peices to glue together over weekend |
| 08:16.37 | ricosecada | If I am running a server with http, php and mysql, and the only service that allows access from other than localhost is http, do I really need a firewall? |
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| 08:19.14 | Schizophrenia | anyone can help me with this problem please.... i got this msg while trying to use rsync at lenny Connection refused (111) rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(105) [receiver=2.6.9] |
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| 08:24.52 | phorce1 | liable: would have been safer to tell him to use sed -i~ 's/foo/bar/' file -i will create a backup if given an "extension" as a modifier. Actually, using -ie he may have a backup now called "filee" that he'll be wondering where it came from. |
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| 08:25.05 | liable | indeed |
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| 08:26.33 | phorce1 | liable: yep, tested. sed -ie 's/2 3 4//' ./testinput leaves a modified "testinput" and an unmodified copy called "testinpute" |
| 08:26.46 | liable | ya |
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| 08:28.37 | Schizophrenia | liable, can you help me ? |
| 08:29.01 | liable | Schizophrenia: i am not a pscycholigist :) |
| 08:29.24 | Schizophrenia | lol |
| 08:29.32 | Schizophrenia | not about my Schizophrenic |
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| 08:29.38 | Schizophrenia | about this |
| 08:29.44 | Schizophrenia | anyone can help me with this problem please.... i got this msg while trying to use rsync at lenny Connection refused (111) rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(105) [receiver=2.6.9] |
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| 08:29.50 | liable | Schizophrenia: that looks like a bug, or the rysnc daemon isnt running |
| 08:30.02 | liable | !connection refused |
| 08:30.02 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 08:31.30 | phorce1 | or port 873 is closed at the firewall |
| 08:31.36 | Schizophrenia | i have try at etch and its work, but it refused when im try at lenny with a same config |
| 08:31.58 | liable | check the bts |
| 08:32.39 | liable | Schizophrenia: can you telnet to the host on that port? |
| 08:32.55 | Schizophrenia | yes i can |
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| 08:33.25 | Schizophrenia | its connected |
| 08:33.48 | Schizophrenia | ups |
| 08:33.50 | Schizophrenia | sorry |
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| 08:33.56 | Schizophrenia | its cant connected |
| 08:34.02 | Schizophrenia | wrong ip |
| 08:34.04 | Schizophrenia | uehueeu |
| 08:34.23 | Schizophrenia | i have put the port at /etc/services |
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| 08:39.18 | Schizophrenia | how can i resolve this problem liable |
| 08:39.33 | phorce1 | could someone running lenny do an apt-cache search 2\.6\.18 and tell me if anything shows up? |
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| 08:40.03 | liable | Schizophrenia: can you telnet to it or not? |
| 08:40.10 | Schizophrenia | i cant |
| 08:40.16 | phorce1 | Schizophrenia: go to the server you are trying to connect to and restart the rsync daemon. |
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| 08:40.23 | waspius | hi..i removed firefox because i had some problems and thus installed opera..however in opera flashplayer does not seem to work and i cannot viem videos in youtube etc..does anyone know what i need to do?i have installed flashplayer |
| 08:40.34 | liable | Schizophrenia: so find out why the daemon isnt running or check its firewall |
| 08:42.27 | Faithful | Hey guys, I am about to re-setup a server and I am still wondering if DRBD is still the way to go? |
| 08:43.36 | waspius | anyone? |
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| 08:44.16 | simonrvn | opera isn't in debian |
| 08:44.47 | Schizophrenia | phorce1, i try to send u the result but my nick isnt registered |
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| 08:45.03 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 08:45.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 08:45.18 | simonrvn | Schizophrenia: ^^^ use a pastebin instead... |
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| 08:46.42 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 08:47.39 | fas3r | it's possible to customize netinstall cd .. if you prefer speficy in files all information for automatic the installation |
| 08:47.50 | simonrvn | !jigdo |
| 08:47.50 | dpkg | i guess jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 08:48.15 | liable | !preseed |
| 08:48.15 | dpkg | i guess preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 08:48.22 | fas3r | the size of partition, the country,etc ,etc |
| 08:48.39 | liable | fas3r: check those preseed links |
| 08:48.46 | dutchfish | !fai |
| 08:48.47 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
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| 08:49.09 | tarzeau | !dphys |
| 08:49.09 | dpkg | dphys is, like, http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys3/, or http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys-kernel-packages/ we build kernels with patched in supermount,sk98lin v2,nvnet for p1-1gb p1-smp-1gb p3-1gb p3-smp-1gb p3-smp-4gb p4-1gb p4-4gb p4-smp-4gb p4-smp-64gb k7-1gb k7-4gb k7-64gb k7-smp-4gb k7-smp-64gb and modules for 3w-9xxx, NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-7174, alsa-driver-1.0.10, openafs-1.4.0, vmware-modules-4.5.2 |
| 08:49.16 | tarzeau | dpkg forget dphys |
| 08:49.16 | dpkg | tarzeau: i forgot dphys |
| 08:49.17 | fas3r | oki thank liable |
| 08:49.24 | tarzeau | dpkg dphys is http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
| 08:49.24 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 08:49.58 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:49.59 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
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| 08:51.03 | ricosecada | Maybe this is a stupid question, but is the PF (Packet Filter) firewall from OpenBSD ported to debian? |
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| 08:52.35 | dutchfish | !tell ricosecada about netfilter |
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| 08:56.26 | simonrvn | Adys: fix your client |
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| 08:56.58 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 08:59.02 | phorce1 | Is there an X window manager that has been optimized for multi-monitor use (like, for example, the gimp has been written so that it can be moved to another screen without xinerama enabled -- is there a WM that will allow that for all apps?)? |
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| 09:02.29 | GPenguin | i wonder what the client does so it gets disconnected with the "excess" message |
| 09:02.40 | simonrvn | a) no b) depends on wm and app |
| 09:03.13 | simonrvn | usually they're doing something dumb like trying to get the entire channel list |
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| 09:04.13 | phorce1 | simonrvn: <sigh> annoying not being able to move an app to the other display after I've opened it. And xinerama is just annoying, period. Especially with two VERY different display sizes. |
| 09:04.25 | rcbarnes | How bad form would it be to create a directory /usr/src/userland to keep applications build from source in? Obviously, the permissions would be the same as /usr/src/linux. |
| 09:04.36 | rcbarnes | s/build/built/ |
| 09:04.52 | phorce1 | rcbarnes: I use /usr/local/src |
| 09:05.11 | phorce1 | /usr/local is the place for your own stuff |
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| 09:05.37 | rcbarnes | phorce1: ah. Thanks. |
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| 09:07.40 | phorce1 | create a link in /usr/local/src to the kernel headers/source (/usr/local/src/linux/ ---> /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22) for building. |
| 09:08.07 | phorce1 | that way makefiles can still use ../linux/ and be happy |
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| 09:14.15 | godwin2 | hi |
| 09:14.27 | godwin2 | is there a command to show the size of a folder? |
| 09:14.51 | tacit | godwin2: du |
| 09:15.46 | godwin2 | thx! can it sumup subfolders? |
| 09:15.56 | tacit | godwin2: man su |
| 09:15.56 | hhding | yes |
| 09:15.58 | tacit | godwin2: man du |
| 09:15.59 | pmv | yes |
| 09:16.08 | pmv | try dh -hs |
| 09:16.10 | pmv | er |
| 09:16.13 | pmv | du -hs |
| 09:16.42 | godwin2 | thx, shows: 49M . |
| 09:16.51 | godwin2 | so actual folder has 49 mb, right? |
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| 09:17.04 | pmv | mbytes, to be exact |
| 09:17.27 | godwin2 | k, thx |
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| 09:20.57 | phorce1_away | godwin2: just do du -h and it will show you the total in each subfolder then the total size of all combined. |
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| 09:23.36 | m_dige | tarzeau: Hi mate. Can you tell what the linux-modules package actually is ? |
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| 09:23.51 | tarzeau | m_dige: what do you really want to know? |
| 09:24.27 | pmv | hehe |
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| 09:24.53 | m_dige | tarzeau: well you helped me create a custom debian kernel the debian way using make-dpkg and dpkg -i |
| 09:25.24 | m_dige | tarzeau: so i create the kernel image and installed it |
| 09:25.36 | streuner | .oO (what does tarzeau did?) :-) |
| 09:25.57 | tarzeau | streuner: s,does,did, and s,did,do, |
| 09:25.57 | streuner | (what did tarzeau, prolly better english) |
| 09:26.11 | m_dige | tarzeau: Bot some packages depends on linux-modules and linux-modules want linux-image as dependency |
| 09:26.43 | m_dige | tarzeau: this is annoying since I already installed my own custom linux-image |
| 09:26.55 | tarzeau | m_dige: which packages? i never had such problem |
| 09:27.11 | tarzeau | m_dige: if you build linux-image kernels you have them... that's why you use make-kpkg |
| 09:28.54 | m_dige | tarzeau:virtualbox-ose-modules for example |
| 09:29.13 | tarzeau | m_dige: yes but can't you satisfy those dependencies ? |
| 09:29.26 | tarzeau | i mean i build image,headers,source and that's enough for such stuff |
| 09:29.54 | wols | m_dige: what package needs them exactly? show us the full depends line for it |
| 09:30.05 | m_dige | no It wants to install linux-image-2.4.24-1-686 |
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| 09:30.35 | wols | !tell m_dige about bat |
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| 09:31.32 | m_dige | wols: Well I can't copypaste from aptitude |
| 09:31.51 | m_dige | wols: I'll figure something out |
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| 09:32.36 | Haris1 | Hello people, guys, gals, folks, everyone |
| 09:32.39 | wols | !pastewithoutx |
| 09:32.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 09:32.41 | pmv | why cant you copy-paste from aptitude? |
| 09:33.01 | pmv | hahaha |
| 09:33.18 | pmv | you have macros for the most obscure things :p |
| 09:33.35 | Haris1 | Is there a way to check a) how many FDs squid is working with b) how many its using c) how many it has left? like we can check under proc when checking for system's limits |
| 09:34.27 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:34.54 | pmv | Haris1, also, man df |
| 09:34.59 | pmv | oh |
| 09:35.05 | pmv | I did not see 'squid' |
| 09:35.05 | pmv | :p |
| 09:35.18 | pmv | well df + proc then |
| 09:35.40 | wols | also the output of /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 09:35.53 | wols | pmv: what has df to do with file descriptors? |
| 09:36.03 | dutchfish | how can i measure the curent space the kernel is taking in mem? |
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| 09:36.31 | pmv | thought you meant system inodes |
| 09:36.52 | wols | df tells me about inodes? |
| 09:36.57 | pmv | ya |
| 09:36.59 | wols | and what is a "system inode"? |
| 09:37.00 | wols | how? |
| 09:37.00 | pmv | df -i |
| 09:37.22 | wols | ah |
| 09:38.34 | pmv | inodes are structures the fs uses to track files |
| 09:38.59 | Haris1 | well |
| 09:39.01 | pmv | an fd would point to an inode somewhere, plus some metadata |
| 09:39.04 | Haris1 | its only showing 113 atm. |
| 09:39.13 | Haris1 | that far less than I imagined |
| 09:39.26 | pmv | :) |
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| 09:44.16 | dutchfish | i am trying to squeeze in a debian kernel into 16mb mem with the apps and modules i need, i need somehow to determine the kernel size when it is fully loaded in mem, how can i do that? |
| 09:44.54 | wols | use a 2.4 kernel |
| 09:45.59 | dutchfish | wols, i wish i could, however then i need to make (or port) some drivers that arent in 2.4 branche apart from the fact that i can not use a stable etch for all the work because 2.4 is not supported under etch |
| 09:46.30 | harpal | dutchfish: build kernel with only required module, and than remove some debugging information from that module |
| 09:46.54 | wols | no modules. monolithic kernel |
| 09:47.04 | wols | dutchfish: what hardware isn't supported in 2.4? |
| 09:47.10 | dutchfish | wols, i am almost there with the kernels small options, but i need some way to determine the size when loaded, so its easier to figure things out |
| 09:47.34 | wols | dutchfish: dmesg might tell you a bit |
| 09:47.48 | MrRoland | what happened to killall command?! |
| 09:48.08 | Shadur | It got killed. |
| 09:48.10 | pmv | the UN banned it? |
| 09:48.18 | Shadur | It killed itself by accident. |
| 09:48.21 | pmv | human rights an allt hat |
| 09:48.43 | dutchfish | wols, i know the tools the determine the size of the kernel before build, but that doesnt match up totally (kernel scripts like bloat-o-meter) |
| 09:50.16 | dutchfish | wols, i thought there was something in sysctl but apprently i was mistaken |
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| 09:51.53 | wols | please answer my question |
| 09:52.15 | pmv | curious about this too :) |
| 09:52.42 | dutchfish | wols, thx found it: available (1677k kernel code, 2440k reserved, 708k data, 216k init, ... (dmesg) |
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| 09:53.10 | dutchfish | wols, that refers to unpacked in ram right? |
| 09:54.02 | dutchfish | wols, without modules |
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| 09:56.18 | dutchfish | wols, yes i will go for the monolithic |
| 09:56.41 | dutchfish | wols, thank you |
| 09:57.03 | rgr | Does any one have a particularly "compiling debian kernel" reference link? All the ones I can find are disjoint and at odds. In particular a funny thing, ar the end of a " fakeroot make-kpkg -initrd --revision=ck1 kernel_image" I can't find the debian package file. Where did it go? |
| 09:57.16 | pmv | dutchfish, why debian, incidentally? |
| 09:57.32 | pmv | there are linux distros made specifically for low-mem platforms |
| 09:57.34 | rgr | particularly good, that is. |
| 09:57.41 | wols | rgr: ls .. |
| 09:57.49 | rgr | wols: funny. |
| 09:57.56 | pmv | haha |
| 09:57.57 | wols | rgr: why funny? |
| 09:58.06 | maligor | rgr, it goes into .. |
| 09:58.18 | dutchfish | pmv, thats the distro i use and most comfortable with, and i like its packaging system |
| 09:58.38 | wols | rgr: why funny? |
| 09:58.39 | rgr | wols: so you think I am compiling my own kernel and trying to use make-kpkg and I dont know how to use ls? |
| 09:58.40 | pmv | dutchfish, I see. mind if I ask what the applicatio is? |
| 09:58.48 | pmv | rgr, |
| 09:58.51 | pmv | he is not making fun of you |
| 09:58.52 | dutchfish | pmv, a firewall |
| 09:58.53 | pmv | ls ../ |
| 09:58.53 | wols | rgr: you don't know shit apparently |
| 09:58.55 | maligor | rgr, do you know what .. means? |
| 09:59.06 | pmv | rofl |
| 09:59.09 | rgr | yes, why? |
| 09:59.19 | maligor | then what happens if you combine ls with .. |
| 09:59.21 | wols | rgr: have you done what I told you? |
| 09:59.26 | pmv | dutchfish, some people use leaf :) |
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| 09:59.56 | rgr | wold : go boil your head. I guess you're the new group bighead. I think I'll go back to google. And yes, folks I know what ls .. means too. It isnt there. |
| 10:00.00 | dutchfish | pmv, maybe i am stupid? but i am certainly not "some poeple" ;) |
| 10:00.16 | pmv | dutchfish, hehe. well that is fine. |
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| 10:00.36 | pmv | dutchfish, check out pf though. I love linux, but I would go fbsd for a firewall appliance. |
| 10:00.56 | dutchfish | pmv, as i said many times before: the more i know about linux the more i like debian |
| 10:00.57 | maligor | jeez |
| 10:01.04 | pmv | hehe |
| 10:01.16 | dutchfish | pmv, no more bsd's fro me mom |
| 10:01.18 | wols | dutchfish: can you finally answer my question? |
| 10:01.33 | wols | and: running etch in 16MB fw appliance is just stupid imho |
| 10:01.40 | dutchfish | wols, sorry if i overlooked that |
| 10:01.42 | pmv | well that is fine. but seriously, pf is nice :) |
| 10:01.54 | wols | last but least: you need conntrack buckets which makes your kernel size vary a lot over time |
| 10:01.59 | dutchfish | wols, e1000 |
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| 10:02.00 | pmv | efficient qos, stateful inspection, etc |
| 10:02.31 | streuner | is there a light image viewer like gqview? |
| 10:02.45 | dutchfish | wols, it finally is sorted out in the newer kernels |
| 10:02.54 | streuner | but without of the depends (gtk)... |
| 10:02.58 | wols | what is sorted? |
| 10:03.04 | wols | the e1000 driver? |
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| 10:03.19 | pmv | streuner, there is imagemagick display |
| 10:03.19 | pmv | :) |
| 10:03.24 | dutchfish | wols, yes? |
| 10:03.35 | wols | jsut checking since I was unclear |
| 10:04.05 | chemist | how do I reconfigure xserver? dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg doesnt work |
| 10:04.11 | dutchfish | wols, there are some more things like ebtables and l7filter wich made me decide for 2.6 |
| 10:04.27 | pmv | chemist, oh? what happens when you do that |
| 10:04.57 | enouf | chemist: hyphen? |
| 10:05.12 | wols | chemist: xserver-xorg |
| 10:05.26 | chemist | doh :) |
| 10:05.29 | chemist | thanx |
| 10:05.56 | dutchfish | wols, and of coarse last but not least the changes in arptables |
| 10:07.47 | dutchfish | wols, finally my studying is gone pay off in results :) ... was a long way ... |
| 10:07.48 | streuner | pmv: yes, thanks |
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| 10:10.08 | Multiply | Is there a way that I can see, how much trafic each port, on each IP is using? The current used bandwidth, and the total. |
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| 10:13.42 | tacit | Multiply: iptraf |
| 10:14.09 | streuner | iptraf show the bandwidth on each device |
| 10:14.24 | tacit | It does have port statistics, too. |
| 10:14.27 | pmv | nifty app :) |
| 10:14.33 | enouf | ntop? |
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| 10:15.27 | Multiply | I might check it out |
| 10:15.33 | suwro | hello |
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| 10:16.57 | suwro | how can i see which addressed dhcpd gave? |
| 10:17.17 | suwro | is there any dhcpd listactiveIP ?? |
| 10:17.29 | pmv | suwro, ifconfig? |
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| 10:17.43 | pmv | sup rgr :) |
| 10:17.57 | pmv | find your file yet? |
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| 10:18.22 | suwro | no - I am on the server - need to see which ip on which mac allocated |
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| 10:18.46 | pmv | ah |
| 10:18.51 | pmv | look at the lease file |
| 10:19.07 | suwro | and the lease file is in? |
| 10:19.40 | wols | rgr: have you finally looked? |
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| 10:20.02 | pmv | suwro, /var/run I think? |
| 10:21.33 | enouf | nmap your clients? |
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| 10:21.39 | suwro | pmv: /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases |
| 10:21.56 | |xjih78| | r |
| 10:22.36 | pmv | suwro, sorry, I am on fbsd :) |
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| 10:22.52 | suwro | pmv: even so - /var/run is for pid :) |
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| 10:23.04 | pmv | ah |
| 10:23.11 | pmv | ok |
| 10:23.35 | suwro | pmv: hey - do you use fbsd as desktop too? or just for server |
| 10:24.08 | pmv | yup |
| 10:24.12 | pmv | desktop an server |
| 10:24.17 | pmv | least at work |
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| 10:24.31 | pmv | fbsd does not do acpi very well on my laptop |
| 10:24.35 | suwro | pmv: how did you solve the "macromedia flash" plugin? |
| 10:24.42 | pmv | ah, no :) |
| 10:24.50 | pmv | I have before, but right now I am on an amd64 box |
| 10:25.04 | pmv | even hairier lib issues on this box |
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| 10:25.56 | suwro | pmv: ok - amd64 with debian 64 ? |
| 10:27.10 | suwro | pmv: i realised that i686 performs better on my amd64 Dell Laptop. (no more frustrations with lib32 - java, flash, etc) |
| 10:27.28 | Downer | vad är groove? |
| 10:27.38 | Downer | whups. |
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| 10:28.38 | pmv | suwro, no I use fbsd 64 |
| 10:28.48 | pmv | suwro, so debian 64 runs okay? |
| 10:28.57 | suwro | pmv: not really... |
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| 10:30.51 | suwro | pmv: i had some ishues... you have to install both libs. amd64/lib32 to be able to run lib32 based apps... some work some... well let's say you have to convince them ;) - and depends on your nervs, time, etc.... |
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| 10:31.15 | pmv | haha |
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| 10:31.26 | suwro | pmv: how's fbsd 64 doing ? same? |
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| 10:31.38 | streuner | tarzeau: ping |
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| 10:31.55 | tarzeau | streuner: pong |
| 10:31.56 | pmv | suwro, no problems so far actually |
| 10:32.02 | pmv | I was worried when they assigned me this box |
| 10:32.03 | marinosi | Hello..How can I see which package's part is a binary ? |
| 10:32.06 | pmv | but so far so good |
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| 10:32.15 | pmv | I do not aspire to getting flash ever working though :) |
| 10:32.17 | tarzeau | marinosi: dpkg -L pkg | grep bin |
| 10:32.27 | tarzeau | marinosi: unless it's a game those go into /usr/games/ |
| 10:32.35 | suwro | pmv: ok - nice chatting - gtg - bye |
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| 10:32.47 | streuner | tarzeau: http://www.debian.org/users points to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap ... |
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| 10:33.26 | tarzeau | streuner: well yes, i'm sorry, there's many more urls pointing still to linuks.mine.nu. i'm working on it |
| 10:33.32 | tarzeau | streuner: it can take me a few weeks or months |
| 10:34.02 | streuner | tarzeau: come to #debian-www (OFTC) and tell yang about |
| 10:34.47 | tarzeau | streuner: can i still have a chance to get the domain back before i do mass changes of the url? |
| 10:35.00 | tarzeau | streuner: i'm talking to dyndns about this |
| 10:35.05 | marinosi | tarzeau: I don't know the packages name..For example I know arping , how can I see to which package it belongs? |
| 10:35.07 | tarzeau | streuner: it's not like everyone is very fast |
| 10:35.20 | tarzeau | marinosi: dpkg -S /path/to/binary |
| 10:35.40 | streuner | tarzeau: the issue is to delete dead links |
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| 10:35.59 | streuner | tarzeau: if you have a working URL that would prolly fine too... |
| 10:36.00 | tarzeau | streuner: well you don't know if the link is just temporarily or forever dead |
| 10:36.09 | tarzeau | streuner: i told you i'm working on it. if you can't wait do what you can't leave |
| 10:36.17 | tarzeau | streuner: i have a working url with an ip address yes |
| 10:36.29 | tarzeau | streuner: but i need dns, the goal is to get the old url working again |
| 10:36.29 | streuner | tarzeau: so talk to yang |
| 10:36.41 | tarzeau | streuner: why? did he ask if the link shall be deleted? |
| 10:36.55 | streuner | tarzeau: talk to him |
| 10:37.17 | marinosi | tarzeau: thanks |
| 10:37.18 | marinosi | marinosi@lucifer:/tmp$ dpkg -S java | grep /usr/bin/java |
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| 10:37.33 | marinosi | does this finds /usr/bin/java in your system? |
| 10:37.34 | tarzeau | marinosi: no i didn't say that |
| 10:37.39 | tarzeau | marinosi: no of course not |
| 10:37.55 | marinosi | ah it wants the absolute path |
| 10:38.14 | marinosi | ...ok..does this finds java in your system ? dpkg -S /usr/bin/java ? |
| 10:39.11 | enouf | marinosi: try dlocate as well |
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| 10:43.58 | enouf | marinosi: note for dlocate (and locate) to be effective the db needs to be updated (updatedb command) .. and default debian installs run /etc/cron.daily/find which does this automatically once-per-day (IINM, @ 06:30 am) see /etc/crontab (man 5 crontab) |
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| 10:48.08 | krinns | hi all |
| 10:48.22 | krinns | i want to print my conf files on network printer through CLI |
| 10:48.28 | krinns | any idea how i configure |
| 10:48.29 | krinns | ? |
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| 10:49.02 | wols | is the networked printer IPP capable? |
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| 10:52.47 | n0mad | hello, whats can be wrong - fancy screensaver are w.slow ? |
| 10:53.02 | wols | you use mesa? |
| 10:53.10 | n0mad | no |
| 10:53.15 | n0mad | i have acelerations |
| 10:53.21 | n0mad | use nvidia |
| 10:54.45 | wols | glxinfo output in a pastebin |
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| 10:58.33 | Miesco | How would I list all the files and directories recursivleyt in a dir? |
| 10:58.38 | Miesco | recursivly* |
| 10:58.52 | Miesco | find only lists directors |
| 10:58.53 | Miesco | directories* |
| 10:59.14 | wols | Miesco: ls -lR |
| 10:59.16 | n0mad | wols, http://pastebin.com/d1557f2cc |
| 10:59.33 | Miesco | wols: Thanks |
| 10:59.41 | petemc | Miesco: find -type -f does files |
| 10:59.48 | Miesco | Okay |
| 10:59.51 | pmv | find lists dirs? no way |
| 11:00.02 | pmv | find by default finds all |
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| 11:00.12 | grand_grunt | pmv: find lists all |
| 11:00.21 | Miesco | find: invalid argument `-f' to `-type' |
| 11:00.27 | pmv | -type f |
| 11:00.34 | pmv | not -f |
| 11:00.46 | pmv | but plain find will do just as well |
| 11:01.01 | Miesco | pmv: How do you do files AND dirs? |
| 11:01.09 | Miesco | -type fd? |
| 11:01.23 | pmv | .. |
| 11:01.25 | pmv | just find |
| 11:01.27 | grand_grunt | Miesco: find and that's all |
| 11:01.38 | pmv | :) |
| 11:01.50 | pmv | unless your find is somehow aliased to find -type d |
| 11:02.02 | Miesco | okay I thought it only did dirs |
| 11:02.30 | grand_grunt | Miesco: maybe you tried in a dir that contains only empty dirs ;) |
| 11:02.35 | Miesco | It only does dirs if I type 'find .' |
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| 11:02.40 | Miesco | No |
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| 11:02.50 | pmv | strange |
| 11:02.51 | pmv | Miesco, show me output of 'alias' |
| 11:02.54 | grand_grunt | Miesco: no point after find. Juste "find" |
| 11:02.59 | pmv | or 'which find' |
| 11:03.13 | Miesco | ahhh! |
| 11:03.13 | Miesco | Where's all my files |
| 11:03.13 | Miesco | lol |
| 11:03.20 | pmv | rofl :)) |
| 11:03.26 | sander_m | Hello. I have a problem with USB devices in Debian. When I plugin an USB stick or iPod or something, it will often get mounted as the wrong user. E.g, sometimes it's mounted as root. It's even worse when there are two people logged in at the same time. The device is often mounted as the wrong user. What can I do to fix this? I would like the device to always be mounted as the user who's session is currently on the screen. |
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| 11:07.10 | Miesco | I want to find out why there is 60 gigs in my home dir, I want to find the folder thats so big, how would I just list folders over like 1 gig? |
| 11:07.27 | streuner | Miesco: man du |
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| 11:07.47 | petemc | du -hsc * |
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| 11:08.35 | Miesco | petemc: Okay |
| 11:08.41 | dutchfish | Miesco, if you are on gnome filelight |
| 11:09.01 | Miesco | petemc: No, that jus ttold me the total |
| 11:09.12 | Miesco | streuner: I am looking at the manual |
| 11:09.26 | Miesco | streuner: Might have to pipe the du command |
| 11:10.02 | petemc | that should list the size of the dirs |
| 11:10.29 | pmv | du -hsc * shows all files, not just total |
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| 11:13.20 | LV-426 | is any effort being made to make XML (or any other format) a standard config file format ? wondering after coming across so many cfg. file styles [sshd,xorg,shorewall ...] |
| 11:13.48 | wols | LV-426: no. no serious one (thank god) |
| 11:14.27 | grand_grunt | I got a problem at first boot : a few {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error} about hda.. where could it come from? |
| 11:14.35 | dokma | Hi. I've been converting some html files from cp1250 to utf-8. Now I need to do some mass file renaming. What I did is store the utf-8 files to filename.html-new. Now I need to rename those files back to just filename.html |
| 11:14.51 | dokma | This is where I'm right now: find . -name '*.html-new' -exec mv {} `sed -s ''` \; |
| 11:14.57 | LV-426 | wols, why do you think it's a bad idea? |
| 11:14.57 | dutchfish | Miesco, to fid file larger then 10mb : find / -size +10240000c -exec du -h {} \; |
| 11:15.26 | dokma | but I do not know that last peace of sed magic |
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| 11:15.38 | dokma | how to remove the -new from the filename ? |
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| 11:16.34 | n0mad | xbinkeys - hmn where exactly do i need to place (and with comand line) taht they auto startup |
| 11:16.38 | n0mad | ? |
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| 11:23.26 | iwkse | hi all, i'm facing a strange issue with the driver ipw3495. Everything is ok, i have a fixed ip and my resolv.conf points to the router but i can only ping hosts and not names. It could be a driver's problem? |
| 11:24.54 | iwkse | err. the driver is ipw3945 |
| 11:26.26 | petemc | iwkse: dig @routerip www.google.com |
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| 11:27.37 | Gigantic | hey, can you reccomend me a ups tool please |
| 11:27.54 | Gigantic | want my pc to shutdown/suspend according to ups |
| 11:28.01 | mquin | if you mean for monitoring them, 'nut' |
| 11:28.27 | dutchfish | Gigantic, depending on your ups apcupsd as an example |
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| 11:29.04 | iwkse | petemc: yeah, i get a reply |
| 11:29.11 | iwkse | petemc: do you want to see in pastebin? |
| 11:29.15 | petemc | no |
| 11:29.23 | iwkse | k |
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| 11:29.34 | iwkse | it means the resolv.conf is not acting good? |
| 11:29.43 | petemc | iwkse: have you edited /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 11:29.50 | iwkse | petemc: no |
| 11:30.23 | petemc | dokma: rename 's#-new$##' * , shoudl work |
| 11:30.35 | petemc | iwkse: what does it say for hosts? |
| 11:30.35 | Gigantic | ty |
| 11:30.49 | iwkse | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 11:31.20 | petemc | iwkse: does host www.google.com work? |
| 11:31.49 | iwkse | petemc: no it says unknown host |
| 11:32.41 | stanis_sh | petermc: yes |
| 11:32.51 | petemc | iwkse: what version of debian is this? |
| 11:33.15 | iwkse | petemc: etch |
| 11:33.30 | iwkse | petemc: i should update something? |
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| 11:33.39 | petemc | iwkse: can you pastein resolv.conf ?# |
| 11:33.49 | iwkse | it's just.. |
| 11:33.55 | iwkse | namaserver router_ip |
| 11:34.03 | petemc | with the typo? |
| 11:34.20 | iwkse | nameserver 192.168.200.2 |
| 11:34.23 | iwkse | just that |
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| 11:36.02 | dutchfish | does 192.168.200.2 nameserver do recursive lookups? |
| 11:36.36 | dutchfish | ie dig @192.168.200.2 -t A google.com |
| 11:37.18 | iwkse | yes |
| 11:38.24 | dutchfish | iwkse, if you change (as a test) this line in /etc/nsswicth.conf : hosts: files dns , does it then work? |
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| 11:38.40 | iwkse | dutchfish: i tried it.. |
| 11:38.59 | iwkse | dutchfish: it seems the same effect |
| 11:39.48 | Miesco | When I run aptitude, it goes blank |
| 11:39.52 | Miesco | It wont run... |
| 11:40.02 | dutchfish | iwkse, check your route table: route -n, is it correct? |
| 11:40.26 | iwkse | seems ok... 192.168.200.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 11:40.26 | iwkse | 0.0.0.0 192.168.200.2 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 11:40.30 | pmv | Miesco, tried apt-get? |
| 11:40.36 | Miesco | pmv: Yea |
| 11:40.44 | Miesco | pmv: Just wondering why aptitude wont work |
| 11:40.56 | iwkse | dutchfish: apt-get works, i guess cause it does not rely on names but ip? |
| 11:40.56 | Miesco | Is there a debuggin option or something? |
| 11:41.03 | pmv | metafollic, strange |
| 11:41.06 | pmv | er |
| 11:41.08 | pmv | Miesco, |
| 11:41.21 | dutchfish | iwkse, is 192.168.200.2 a proxy? |
| 11:41.32 | iwkse | dutchfish: it's a router |
| 11:41.38 | iwkse | ops..yes a proxy sorry |
| 11:41.44 | iwkse | which the router is connected |
| 11:41.46 | Miesco | I tried aptitude -v |
| 11:42.02 | pmv | Miesco, no errors, nothing? |
| 11:42.06 | dutchfish | iwkse, check your proxy rules, does your proxy allow it? |
| 11:42.07 | Gigantic | May I have your root password ? |
| 11:42.12 | pmv | how are you calling it exactly? |
| 11:42.17 | pmv | Gigantic, sure |
| 11:42.38 | iwkse | dutchfish: it should since other machines connected to this proxy works well |
| 11:42.41 | pmv | 123kissm4#4$$ |
| 11:42.51 | dutchfish | iwkse, isa server? |
| 11:42.56 | iwkse | dutchfish: but different OS |
| 11:43.13 | iwkse | dutchfish: no |
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| 11:43.46 | dutchfish | iwkse, i ouble check your proxy rules, your debian setup looks fine |
| 11:43.49 | Miesco | Im reinstalling it |
| 11:44.01 | dutchfish | iwkse, ouble = double |
| 11:44.10 | iwkse | dutchfish: oki, thanks anyway |
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| 11:44.23 | dutchfish | iwkse, yw |
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| 11:45.08 | dutchfish | iwkse, also your debian box can have firewall rules? |
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| 11:46.48 | iwkse | dutchfish: yes |
| 11:47.13 | dutchfish | iwkse, and dns queries are udp |
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| 11:47.33 | iwkse | dutchfish: i see |
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| 12:04.04 | dutchfish | iwkse, http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/dns-shaped-firewall-holes.html |
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| 12:17.19 | Lycurgus | is there a debian equivalent of /etc/rd.d/init.d/<svcDaemon> ? |
| 12:18.59 | geggam | /etc/init.d/service |
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| 12:19.47 | masus | hi all have problems to install debian with raid 1 can anybody help me |
| 12:19.53 | Lycurgus | ah, yes just noticed it. Thanks. |
| 12:20.00 | masus | here at boot there is all fine --> http://pastebin.com/m2b6b6102 |
| 12:20.29 | masus | but on installation i see both hd's |
| 12:20.34 | masus | is it normally ? |
| 12:20.55 | MrRoland | yes |
| 12:20.58 | MrRoland | that's spftware raid |
| 12:21.00 | MrRoland | you have there |
| 12:21.01 | MrRoland | :) |
| 12:21.06 | MrRoland | software* |
| 12:21.11 | masus | hmmm |
| 12:21.35 | masus | not goood |
| 12:21.53 | MrRoland | yeah had teh same problem, fixed it with either dmraid |
| 12:22.03 | masus | dmraid ? |
| 12:22.08 | MrRoland | or make an raid array, software with mdadm , it;s the same thing |
| 12:22.30 | masus | but from bios i can do the array |
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| 12:23.20 | MrRoland | yes but that's software raid |
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| 12:23.37 | MrRoland | and linux is different than that hit f6 windows |
| 12:24.23 | Lycurgus | geggam: actually think I had precog on your response (that or actually saw it) because I thought "service" was a literal directory name instead of /etc/init.d/<svcName>. |
| 12:24.25 | masus | so i have to install debian to the first hd and afterthe installation i have to do it with mdadm right ? |
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| 12:25.12 | ja | Hey all. I've edited the partition table with cfdisk, now how do I make those new partitions visible in /dev? |
| 12:25.16 | MrRoland | masus you can do on install, create 2 parition as software raid and then create raid... you can do that on install... |
| 12:26.02 | masus | can u give me an manual or link howto :/ |
| 12:27.13 | wols | !ig |
| 12:27.13 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 12:27.46 | MrRoland | http://howtoforge.com/linux_software_raid |
| 12:29.20 | MrRoland | or http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-page2.html |
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| 12:31.46 | Lycurgus | NFS doesn't work in debian ?!?!? |
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| 12:33.37 | Miesco | How do you use du for hidden files? |
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| 12:34.52 | _Zombie-Batman_ | which is the fastest and easy way to install a nvidia driver or DRI support / |
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| 12:35.34 | Lycurgus | (just remarking on two grave bugs in nfs-common which lead one to think so) |
| 12:36.29 | dutchfish | Lycurgus, on my etch stable stations NFS works ok without a glitch |
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| 12:40.21 | Gigantic | Hey, 'PlayitonLinux' is a pretty nice app |
| 12:40.46 | DustyBin | what would chmod 770 be as a umask for a vfat mount ? |
| 12:41.21 | wols | !vfatrw |
| 12:41.21 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 12:41.23 | Lycurgus | dutchfish: yes I knew to disregard the scaries for the same reason (having a working instance of the svc elsewhere on deb) |
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| 12:42.27 | Lycurgus | this is a well behaved channel for as many as are present |
| 12:42.48 | DustyBin | wols: can you have only 2 different sets of permissions with vfat? "umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x." |
| 12:43.05 | DustyBin | if thats the case, that makes vfat insecure? |
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| 12:45.07 | geggam | -_- |
| 12:45.41 | wols | DustyBin: of course you can have more depending what yous et your umask to (and there is dmask as well) |
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| 12:46.28 | dutchfish | Lycurgus, of coarse, this is debian :) |
| 12:46.57 | geggam | wols where do i set the readahead ? |
| 12:47.20 | DustyBin | it worked |
| 12:47.26 | DustyBin | umask=0007 |
| 12:47.29 | DustyBin | drwxrwx--- 10 dustybin users 16384 Jan 1 1970 windows |
| 12:47.43 | DustyBin | umask kind of works in reverse |
| 12:47.53 | wols | geggam: what readahead? |
| 12:47.57 | geggam | on the drive |
| 12:47.59 | geggam | laptop |
| 12:48.24 | geggam | Readahead states: |
| 12:48.24 | geggam | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.24 | geggam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:51.22 | wols | hdparm if you can set it |
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| 12:51.30 | geggam | ty wols |
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| 12:53.17 | Lycurgus | so there really is no equivalent of the rh rc setup where you can start/stop/query services in a uniform way? |
| 12:53.38 | geggam | Lycurgus, im thinking redhat actually is the one who is broken in this manner |
| 12:53.41 | wols | rcconif, invoke-rc.d |
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| 12:53.45 | petemc | Lycurgus: /etc/init.d/ , not all scripts do status |
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| 12:55.15 | geggam | ah.... much better...thanks wols... the drive would idle down ... then i would move the mouse and it would spin up... causing just a bit of lag that made the mouse hiccup |
| 12:55.19 | Lycurgus | geggam, petemc: Acknowledged. |
| 12:55.30 | Gigantic | take care |
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| 12:58.03 | sander_m | Question: Is this chat logged somewhere? My XChat flashed (someone was speaking to me) but I was out for lunch and it's scrolled off the top of my screen. |
| 12:58.35 | petemc | sander_m: /lastlog sander_m |
| 12:58.45 | petemc | pgup shoudl scroll up too |
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| 12:59.56 | apk | hi! |
| 12:59.58 | sander_m | Neither work. I don't think it works after it's scrolled out of my buffer (300 lines) |
| 13:00.03 | apk | good morning :P |
| 13:00.09 | petemc | shitty buffer |
| 13:00.17 | sander_m | Too bad. Oh well... |
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| 13:00.28 | apk | o/ |
| 13:00.35 | petemc | sander_m: no one highlighted you after your question |
| 13:00.45 | fratzbc | anybody know if it is possible to migrate quota's to a new system? |
| 13:01.01 | sander_m | petemc: Oh, okay. Weird, because my XChat was all flashy when I came back. |
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| 13:12.36 | joti5 | Hello everybody! |
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| 13:12.51 | sChaaa | hola |
| 13:12.59 | joti5 | Did someone compile Xen3.2 successfully on Etch? |
| 13:13.20 | joti5 | It always fails for me on make world at the kernel part |
| 13:13.33 | joti5 | its got some problem with the linux-kernel hg |
| 13:13.43 | joti5 | and it didn't get it going yet |
| 13:15.26 | wols | !tell joti5 about errors |
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| 13:16.31 | joti5 | wols you are right, the description was...well short... |
| 13:16.52 | joti5 | but the error is highly common and populates the xen mailinglists unsolved for some time yet... |
| 13:17.03 | joti5 | i'm going to give it another try :) |
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| 13:18.10 | mooper | !lart |
| 13:18.20 | mooper | !debian |
| 13:18.20 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 13:19.04 | xannner | Hi I just assigned my second ip address to another network interface, how can I unassign the eth0:0 where it was previously assigned to? (so actually before: my first interface had 2 ip addresses) |
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| 13:20.35 | joti5 | !lart mooper |
| 13:20.49 | SerajewelKS | xannner: ifconfig eth0:0 down |
| 13:20.51 | joti5 | buddy i know where debian is at |
| 13:20.54 | opensrcguru | xannner: did you assign via /etc/network/interfaces or did you assign via ip or ifconfig? |
| 13:21.09 | SerajewelKS | xannner: then clean up /etc/network/interfaces if you had it configured there |
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| 13:21.48 | xannner | I did assign it via ifconfig |
| 13:21.51 | xannner | ok |
| 13:21.52 | xannner | thanks |
| 13:22.11 | opensrcguru | ip addr del [ipaddress] dev [devicename] ;) |
| 13:22.18 | xannner | alrighty great |
| 13:22.19 | xannner | but |
| 13:22.22 | mooper | !beer joti5 |
| 13:22.25 | xannner | I'm just going to shut it down I guess |
| 13:22.29 | mooper | see cos Im nice |
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| 13:23.21 | joti5 | *gulk gulk* aaah. goood beeer |
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| 13:25.16 | anoHito | hi guys :( how come i cannot ban an IP in iptables,it has loads of connections to my port 80 |
| 13:25.39 | anoHito | i used iptables -A INPUT -s xx.xx.x.x -j DROP,then restart apache,doesn't work |
| 13:26.06 | abrotman | specify an interface perhaps? |
| 13:26.10 | abrotman | ask #iptables ? |
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| 13:26.20 | anoHito | hi abrotman ,no it is a public IP |
| 13:26.32 | anoHito | 117.22.xx.xx |
| 13:26.37 | abrotman | uh .. no .. i meant specify the interface on your system |
| 13:26.41 | spidey | anoHito, give it time to timeout? try restarting the networking? |
| 13:26.44 | abrotman | and/or the protocol |
| 13:27.57 | abrotman | anoHito: use iptables -L .. do you see it ? |
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| 13:28.44 | anoHito | i did restart apache,its still there |
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| 13:29.03 | anoHito | abrotman, yes my rule is there,but i hv just deleted it since it doesnt work |
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| 13:29.23 | anoHito | or should i specify a dport for it ? |
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| 13:31.09 | seria-mau | hi. i am trying to setup a dual-head configuration here with 1280x1024 res on second head and a viewport of 1280x800 on first head (clone mode, virtual desktop of 1280x1024) since several days, but cant get it to work. graphics card is an ati radeon xpress 200m. i tried both free radeon and fglrx drivers |
| 13:31.27 | seria-mau | any pointers? |
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| 13:32.15 | adinc | how can i find out in which package the binary msgattrib is? |
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| 13:33.26 | opensrcguru | !search |
| 13:33.26 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 13:34.17 | helo | is there some way to regenerate (all) host-specific files... like ssh host keys, etc? |
| 13:34.32 | tarzeau | helo: sure |
| 13:34.57 | adinc | opensrcguru: thank you |
| 13:35.05 | daniel_John | can I use a deb package for ubuntu in debian etch ? |
| 13:35.31 | helo | heh |
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| 13:35.42 | opensrcguru | adinc: no problemo |
| 13:36.24 | felix_da_catz | If I use df does it show my swap free space? |
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| 13:36.53 | felix_da_catz | Or mount? I don't know if my swap partition is mounted or being used or not. |
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| 13:37.21 | felix_da_catz | Well, I guess top shows me swap space so I assume it is working. |
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| 13:38.15 | opensrcguru | felix_da_catz: man swapon |
| 13:38.54 | felix_da_catz | thanks |
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| 13:40.11 | felix_da_catz | My machine just keeps randomly locking up. When it does I don't see anything in the log files that tells me something went wrong. I wish there were a better way to figure out what is happening. |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | can you repeat easily? |
| 13:41.42 | n3kl | I am having trouble with my system. I installed the i386 disc, and I am running the amd64 kernel. Is this bad? I am having trouble getting my ipw2200 driver to work, nvidia will not compile because of some x86_64 extention problem and virtualbox will not start. |
| 13:41.56 | n3kl | All of these things indicate a kernel/system mismatch or something |
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| 13:42.37 | helo | you can install the i386 kernel to see if that helps... |
| 13:42.48 | felix_da_catz | abrotman: If you are talking to me the answer is no. There for a while it was doing it daily. But recently it has been a week since it happened and it happened again last night. |
| 13:43.11 | abrotman | felix_da_catz: you're going to have to get more info |
| 13:43.19 | felix_da_catz | Suggestions on how to do it? |
| 13:43.32 | helo | felix_da_catz: i haven't had problems like that unless it was hardware related |
| 13:43.38 | n3kl | why would the amd64 kernel be included in the repos if it causes problems though? |
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| 13:43.56 | felix_da_catz | helo: That is what I was thinking. The machine is older. |
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| 13:44.15 | felix_da_catz | helo: That is just the last thing I wanted it to be so I am trying to put off the obvious. |
| 13:44.34 | abrotman | felix_da_catz: you could run memtest .. or one of the other stress utilities |
| 13:44.51 | felix_da_catz | Well, if it is just memory then that is a no brainer. |
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| 13:45.04 | felix_da_catz | I will have to do it late at night since it is my spam scanning machine. |
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| 13:46.31 | helo | hardware problems have always made logs useless :( |
| 13:46.35 | felix_da_catz | lol |
| 13:46.46 | felix_da_catz | That should be the first clue that it is a hardware problem I guess. |
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| 13:49.36 | ampex | anyone know what happens if I accidentally delete the lost+found directory |
| 13:49.37 | ampex | ? |
| 13:49.51 | tarzeau | ampex: nothing, it'll be not there anymore |
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| 13:50.00 | wols | you can delete it? |
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| 13:50.04 | tarzeau | sure |
| 13:50.11 | ampex | tarzeau: will it cause me any grief? |
| 13:50.13 | tarzeau | it's a directory like any other |
| 13:50.28 | tarzeau | ampex: if fsck needs to put lost stuff somewhere, i don't know where it'll be put |
| 13:50.32 | tarzeau | ampex: usually they go there... |
| 13:50.38 | wols | damn. no ext2 on this box |
| 13:51.11 | ampex | tarzeau: will it be created if/when fsck decides it is needed? |
| 13:51.23 | tarzeau | ampex: i don't know |
| 13:51.24 | ampex | tarzeau: could I just mkdir and get it back? |
| 13:51.29 | tarzeau | ampex: yes |
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| 13:51.48 | raz | anyone know how to record the sound that's passing thru alsa to mp3? i want to record the audio of a flash movie |
| 13:51.57 | jelly | how can I see what speed is negotiated on the scsi channel for a particular device? |
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| 13:52.10 | tarzeau | raz: you could just get it out with mencoder too |
| 13:52.16 | liable | i think it makes the dir anyway. i have vague rcolections of deleting it at one stage |
| 13:52.26 | tarzeau | jelly: using some sg* command maybe? |
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| 13:52.49 | raz | tarzeau, it's a streaming video |
| 13:53.12 | tarzeau | raz: mplayer can also play http streams... might work with mencoder too |
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| 13:55.29 | raz | tarzeau, hmm.. but http swf streams? well, i'll try |
| 13:55.30 | opensrcguru | jelly: perhaps install scsitools and see if theres anything in there that would do the trick..... |
| 13:55.42 | tarzeau | raz: yes http anything it can play |
| 13:56.05 | tarzeau | raz: i ripped some bad-ass-crap-quality sound from some youtube videos, but it's really really bad |
| 13:56.09 | raz | tarzeau, hmm i get a wierd error when i try to open the url in mplayer.. guess its missing the codec or so |
| 13:56.19 | tarzeau | raz: debian mplayer? |
| 13:56.29 | tarzeau | raz: can you post the url? |
| 13:56.31 | raz | tarzeau, well, the sound that's coming out of my speakers is pretty good. i'd love to just "copy" that anyhow (probably with some alsa tool?) |
| 13:56.36 | jelly | opensrcguru: those tools have a zillion options |
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| 13:57.02 | raz | tarzeau, http://www.mtv.de/videos/17562751 |
| 13:57.12 | opensrcguru | jelly: yeah, but you only need the right one ;) |
| 13:57.25 | felix_da_catz | How can I find out what all packages I have installed on my system? I have a fairly comprehensive list and I do have about 50 logs of my ssh sessions, but it would be nice if there were something a little easier. |
| 13:57.51 | petemc | dpkg -l |
| 13:58.01 | terver | when fvwm will back in lenny? |
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| 13:58.24 | felix_da_catz | ahh. Thanks |
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| 14:00.28 | abrotman | !why is fvwm not in testing |
| 14:00.28 | dpkg | fvwm is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=fvwm |
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| 14:02.55 | jelly | fvwm still exists?! |
| 14:03.02 | tarzeau | jelly: sure |
| 14:03.12 | raz | tarzeau, any idea? i'm a bit ^ |
| 14:03.21 | raz | desperate ;) |
| 14:04.00 | jelly | raz: here I thought you were a bit xored. |
| 14:04.09 | raz | typo hehe |
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| 14:08.43 | n3kl | helo: running the i686 kernel has fixed the issue. All of the modules that I was having trouble with is now working properly. So, thanks. Why would the amd64 kernel have problems? I thought I running that in the past just fine |
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| 14:13.59 | razvan_ | hi, I have this problem (Debian testing - lenny): Gnome Power Manager hibernation works, Gnome Power Manager suspend does not work, s2ram -f command works from a root prompt; how can I make suspend work from Gnome Power Manager - any link is useful |
| 14:14.24 | ghis | Hi everyone. What do you recommend to messure bandwidth with for a standard debian webserver. NTOP? |
| 14:14.42 | liable | ghis: ya, prolly the best bet |
| 14:15.14 | ghis | u know any alternatives? |
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| 14:15.28 | liable | nope |
| 14:15.42 | liable | sec |
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| 14:17.34 | PythonNinja | hmmm |
| 14:17.41 | PythonNinja | !badger |
| 14:17.41 | dpkg | hmm... badger is bar baz quuz thump |
| 14:18.03 | PythonNinja | damn.. stupid lying bash.org |
| 14:18.40 | liable | ghis: http://web.taranis.org/drraw/ and collectd.org |
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| 14:19.12 | liable | ghis: i saw someones webserver stats with this, and it was pretty freaking good |
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| 14:20.17 | ghis | liable, cool |
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| 14:21.18 | liable | way over the top, but very comprehensive |
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| 14:26.07 | PythonNinja | johndoevodka:! |
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| 14:26.52 | johndoevodka | richo! |
| 14:27.21 | PythonNinja | johndoevodka: take this to pm? |
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| 14:32.11 | alex12 | offtopic: |
| 14:32.12 | alex12 | okay guys i need some ideas: i can get a job title change, but i would like nice sounding, i can change it to almost anything i want, currently its software enginner, but im doing alot more than that, i would be called as *senior* too, i also do alot of systems administration shit too... any ideas? things like senior engineer sounds nice.... |
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| 14:33.25 | opensrcguru | alex12: are you at the top of the food chain? |
| 14:33.52 | liable | alex12: the-boss-man |
| 14:34.16 | alex12 | nah |
| 14:34.23 | alex12 | im the bosses right hand man although |
| 14:34.31 | alex12 | senior systems programmer |
| 14:34.36 | alex12 | soft of fits the bill a little |
| 14:35.04 | opensrcguru | i like "boss man" with a really deep southern drawl |
| 14:35.06 | opensrcguru | ;-) |
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| 14:35.36 | Nyle | hi Good morning |
| 14:35.39 | liable | the-bosses-right-hand (though you may want to state that you close your eyes when he .. you know .. uses that right hand for masturbating) ;) |
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| 14:35.56 | Nyle | boss right hand |
| 14:36.06 | Nyle | damn, for your sake I hope he is a lefty |
| 14:36.07 | Nyle | ;) |
| 14:36.13 | alex12 | argh |
| 14:36.23 | g00se | Can someone kindly remind me what i must do to edit a remote file over ssh in Vim successully? |
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| 14:36.36 | Nyle | g00se, login over ssh and vim filename |
| 14:36.39 | Nyle | ? |
| 14:37.13 | Nyle | g00se, if the target system does not have vim, you can scp the file to local, vim it, scp it back to target |
| 14:37.23 | liable | or if the file is local, edit it and scp it |
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| 14:37.30 | opensrcguru | g00se: ssh hostname "vim /path/to/file" |
| 14:37.30 | liable | beaten |
| 14:37.31 | esteel | Nyle: to me it seems he wants to use ssh from within vim.. i would know how a similar thing works on emacs :P |
| 14:37.42 | Nyle | or that |
| 14:37.54 | Nyle | esteel, really? it seems that to you |
| 14:38.06 | Nyle | hmm, I don't think imo that is what he is asking but who knows |
| 14:38.14 | g00se | opensrcguru: You don't have that name for nothing ;-) |
| 14:38.15 | esteel | heh |
| 14:38.36 | Nyle | !coffee opensrcguru |
| 14:38.54 | SpookyET | I don't understand why OSS4 sounds better than ALSA. It's the same bloody hardware. |
| 14:39.09 | Nyle | opensrcguru, but if target system don't have no vim... opensrcguru loses |
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| 14:39.16 | liable | SpookyET: huh? |
| 14:39.21 | jim_p | hi! |
| 14:39.21 | Nyle | just a thought. |
| 14:39.29 | Nyle | think of everything :) |
| 14:39.31 | opensrcguru | damnit |
| 14:39.31 | SpookyET | liable: OSS, remember it? |
| 14:39.34 | Nyle | or try to at least :) |
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| 14:39.42 | liable | SpookyET: yes |
| 14:39.47 | jim_p | does anyone know where can i find the .font.conf file in debian testing? |
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| 14:40.00 | jim_p | its is not inside my /home folder |
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| 14:40.18 | SpookyET | liable: it's back in force. I hope it puts ALSA 6ft under. |
| 14:40.20 | Nyle | jim_p, updatedb; locate blah... find... /msg dpkg search |
| 14:40.38 | opensrcguru | Nyle: fine...... scp hostname:/path/to/file . && vim file && scp file hostname:/path/to/file |
| 14:40.41 | liable | SpookyET: source? |
| 14:40.47 | jim_p | Nyle: done that |
| 14:40.55 | jim_p | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.58 | petemc | you can scp within vim |
| 14:40.59 | Nyle | !search |
| 14:40.59 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 14:41.00 | jim_p | ooops sorry |
| 14:41.25 | liable | petemc: really? |
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| 14:41.43 | liable | i guess thats a silly question |
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| 14:41.50 | Nyle | vim scp://user@hostname/path/to/file |
| 14:41.59 | Nyle | liable, you are seriously asking that? |
| 14:42.01 | Nyle | c'mon man |
| 14:42.06 | jim_p | this does not help either! i dont want to learn what app owns that file, i want THE file! |
| 14:42.06 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:42.20 | Nyle | jim_p, then just ssh into the box and ls? |
| 14:42.23 | wols | !tell jim_p about pdo |
| 14:42.30 | Nyle | oh wrong guy |
| 14:42.37 | SpookyET | liable: OSSv4 It's not the same as the crappy OSS in early linux kernels. It's the commercial version going open source. Just google. They only reason I installed it is because ALSA was freezing gnome windows |
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| 14:43.59 | Nyle | :e scp://user@host /path/to/file |
| 14:44.02 | liable | SpookyET: well, when it makes open source and makes the kernel, then we can celebrate. :) |
| 14:44.05 | petemc | liable: :e scp://user@host/file |
| 14:44.11 | petemc | yz |
| 14:44.15 | Nyle | petemc loses! |
| 14:44.20 | Nyle | ;) j/k |
| 14:44.23 | petemc | :) |
| 14:44.38 | SpookyET | liable: It's been GPL, CDDL since last summer. It's been BSD since january |
| 14:45.16 | dclarke | is there some special trick to building dejagnu ? I tried dejagnu 1.4.4 and that fails to run even a single testsuite .. same for dejagnu 1.4.3 and now I wonder what the heck is the special magic ? anyone kow ? |
| 14:45.21 | liable | SpookyET: and reasons why it hasn't gotten into mainline? |
| 14:45.40 | g00se | petemc: I'm going to try that. Passing the filename to ssh had some unpleasant results ;-) |
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| 14:46.48 | liable | petemc: interesting. the e: uses default editor or something? where is this documented |
| 14:46.50 | SpookyET | liable: probably the same reason you haven't heard of it. They haven't marketed it. It's the standard audio in 30 unixes. That's why most use the OSS API even on ALSA. It actually works better than the ALSA API. |
| 14:46.51 | liable | ? |
| 14:47.24 | petemc | g00se: ssh user@host vim file , works, complains a bit but workks |
| 14:47.34 | g00se | liable: afaicr e: is just the edit command in vim |
| 14:47.48 | petemc | execute |
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| 14:47.58 | SpookyET | The crap in 2.4 was actually a fork. Apparently, they were working on the commercial version and neglecting the open source version. The fork didn't get much better. So, ALSA became into existance, which is a total piece of undocumented crap, and only works on linux. But, I suppose ALSA forced them to open source again. |
| 14:48.00 | petemc | i thought |
| 14:48.12 | SpookyET | liable: they have debian packages |
| 14:48.24 | Nyle | guys |
| 14:48.34 | Nyle | see :help netrw |
| 14:48.35 | antgel | got a problem with real codec from w32codecs in lenny. thought it was a realplayer issue, but it must be the coddecs as it doesn't work in vlc either. link i'm trying to access is http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/tvseq/n24/bb/rm/video/news24_bb.ram |
| 14:48.41 | liable | SpookyET: sounds good. lots of shit still uses the oss api |
| 14:48.46 | antgel | will pastebin the vlc output |
| 14:49.03 | troubled | Nyle: zomg, is that a vim command I see? |
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| 14:49.23 | antgel | http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 14:49.27 | antgel | doh! |
| 14:49.34 | Nyle | troubled, was it you who convinced me to start using it |
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| 14:49.39 | antgel | what a dick. i meant http://pastebin.ca/941120 |
| 14:49.42 | Nyle | troubled, I can't recall... Good morning/hi btw :) |
| 14:49.44 | g00se | petemc: Ah |
| 14:49.50 | DustyBin | elephant dreams is playing from mythvideo no problem at all |
| 14:49.57 | SpookyET | liable: because its documented, while ALSA documentation is shit. And, it's multi platform. That's why the API is used |
| 14:50.01 | troubled | Nyle: I believe so :) I gather you went to wizard school for vim? |
| 14:50.08 | Nyle | troubled, it was you I think you told me and showed me some stuff |
| 14:50.23 | troubled | ya, was a few weeks ago iirc. enjoying it? |
| 14:50.24 | liable | SpookyET: go spread the word on lkml :) |
| 14:50.26 | Nyle | troubled, not really, I just read the man page, online resources like tips and tricks after I got the hang of it |
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| 14:50.41 | Nyle | troubled, and thank you very much.. I like nano, but damn vim is the shit. |
| 14:51.08 | troubled | Nyle: ya, I still use nano once and a while, but its hard to top vim :) |
| 14:51.17 | liable | vimtutor ftw |
| 14:51.20 | Nyle | I have not yet tried emacs |
| 14:51.39 | Nyle | though I read that there is heavy tension among emacs users vs. vim users |
| 14:51.45 | SpookyET | liable: I don't give a damn about the kernel. I use what works regardless of licence. That's freedom. |
| 14:51.47 | troubled | i did, but I just find the meta key stuff cumbersome. ctrl and my pinky just dont agree :) |
| 14:51.50 | Nyle | I'll only find out which one I like after I try emacs |
| 14:51.53 | liable | ohrly? |
| 14:52.30 | Nyle | SpookyET, thats not freedom |
| 14:52.50 | SpookyET | Nyle: That's freedom. |
| 14:52.53 | DustyBin | in mythvideo, what is that black box what appears on the left? ive always wondered what that is for |
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| 14:53.05 | DustyBin | its black with white specs on it |
| 14:53.17 | Nyle | SpookyET, thats illegal |
| 14:53.29 | liable | why? |
| 14:53.49 | Nyle | SpookyET, using something against its terms *could* be illegal especially with software you need key's and shit for |
| 14:53.57 | Nyle | like in windows etc. and other bullshit |
| 14:53.58 | SpookyET | Nyle: What are you smoking. OSS4 is GPL. |
| 14:54.11 | Nyle | I'm referring to your general statement |
| 14:54.14 | wols | Nyle: it's not illegal unless he distributes it. GPL ONLY covers distribution |
| 14:54.16 | liable | dont get him started on that :P |
| 14:54.18 | Nyle | you use what works regardless of liscence |
| 14:54.19 | Nyle | right |
| 14:54.25 | Nyle | that is what you said |
| 14:54.33 | Nyle | not every liscence is free/opensource |
| 14:54.40 | Nyle | thats all |
| 14:54.40 | wols | Nyle: where does he distribute? |
| 14:54.43 | Nyle | have at it |
| 14:55.06 | Nyle | its the wording he chose thats I'm talking about |
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| 14:55.28 | grand_grunt | Mhh.. how should I reload /etc/hosts for nfs-server without reboot? |
| 14:55.39 | liable | !hostname |
| 14:55.39 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 14:55.40 | Nyle | grand_grunt, just reload nfs |
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| 14:56.00 | Nyle | grand_grunt, /etc/hosts takes effect immedietly asoon as you save the file i thinks |
| 14:56.02 | liable | bah |
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| 14:56.12 | Nyle | grand_grunt, /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart I think or nfs restart |
| 14:56.14 | Nyle | i dunno |
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| 15:00.08 | troubled | hosts is instant since its queried per request. nfs restarts is to reload your exports files mainly |
| 15:00.24 | SpookyET | liable: http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi |
| 15:00.25 | SpookyET | try it |
| 15:00.27 | dutchfish | grand_grunt, exportfs -a |
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| 15:00.57 | wald0 | i can made a usb key to boot using syslinux, but i can use grub too ? |
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| 15:01.15 | gonzaloaf | hi, can I tell synaptic or the update manager not to update a specific pkg? |
| 15:01.15 | grand_grunt | dutchfish, Nyle : done, thx. /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart was good |
| 15:01.19 | liable | SpookyET: no thanks. i have enough dev shit on my box, and sound isnt an interest of mine. :) |
| 15:01.22 | gonzaloaf | never? |
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| 15:01.59 | liable | gonzaloaf: put it on hold |
| 15:02.00 | SpookyET | liable: it's not dev. it's been out for a year. i'd say it's stable |
| 15:02.17 | liable | SpookyET: still not my thing.. |
| 15:02.20 | gonzaloaf | liable, how? |
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| 15:02.31 | felix_da_catz | Do I have to compile the kernel from scratch to increase my scroll back buffer? I know it is an option in the kernel, but I don't know if you can set it somewhere else.... |
| 15:02.42 | liable | gonzaloaf: doesnt synaptic have a hold button? |
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| 15:02.43 | _ZeuZ_ | how can I make some parts of an output be of different colors? (using SH) |
| 15:02.57 | stanis_sh | fc ? |
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| 15:03.05 | liable | Zeit|awy: in a script? |
| 15:03.06 | dutchfish | wald0, i believe not syslinux does it all |
| 15:03.14 | _ZeuZ_ | yes, in an script |
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| 15:03.59 | liable | echo -e "\033 |
| 15:04.03 | liable | and such |
| 15:04.12 | pif | hi, how do I make xdm aware of certain environment variables? |
| 15:04.19 | _ZeuZ_ | s/an/a/ |
| 15:04.21 | liable | echo -e "\033[1;32;41m Beginning part 5... (iso to img) \033[0m " |
| 15:04.26 | gonzaloaf | liable, noup, do you mean ?lock version'? |
| 15:04.43 | liable | gonzaloaf: whatever synaptic calls it. yes |
| 15:05.06 | gonzaloaf | liable, thanks |
| 15:05.09 | _ZeuZ_ | and where do I get the collor pallet code from>? |
| 15:05.16 | liable | google |
| 15:05.36 | _ZeuZ_ | !google sh collor pallete |
| 15:05.42 | _ZeuZ_ | @google sh collor pallete |
| 15:05.43 | DeathWolf | -!- http://www.dreamstime.com/palette-of-dry-pastel-color-sh-image2468715 |
| 15:06.02 | _ZeuZ_ | hmmm... not related... |
| 15:06.11 | liable | !fgi sh color pallete |
| 15:06.11 | dpkg | sh: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=color pallete |
| 15:06.24 | liable | bah |
| 15:06.42 | liable | !fgi _ZeuZ_ sh color pallete |
| 15:06.42 | dpkg | _ZeuZ_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=sh color pallete |
| 15:06.43 | _ZeuZ_ | ... |
| 15:07.48 | _ZeuZ_ | not to much "undestan-able" info there... |
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| 15:08.57 | slidesinger | Anyone ever had to open a file with an mdi extension before? |
| 15:08.58 | mbroeker | _ZeuZ_, printf "\e[32mHello World\e[37m\n"; works too |
| 15:09.22 | liable | _ZeuZ_: its not even a sh thing, its just a general pallete number |
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| 15:09.45 | _ZeuZ_ | Ok, now that was way usefuller :) |
| 15:10.12 | Fri13 | Hi! How many times /etc has corrupted by somereason so it much has cleaned? |
| 15:11.26 | Fri13 | Hi! How many times /etc has corrupted by somereason so it need to be cleaned? (just pure question) |
| 15:11.31 | slidesinger | So far all I've been able to grok from google is that it is YAPM$F, this one being the M$ office Document Image format. |
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| 15:11.47 | hoarycripple | Fri13, no need to repeat. Cleaned how? |
| 15:11.59 | liable | Fri13: what do you mean exactly? |
| 15:13.11 | maddoc_ | Hi. Openssh-server refuses to start on boot, although startup links exists (I get "System startup links for /etc/init.d/ssh already exist." when I run update-rc.d ssh defaults). Any tips? |
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| 15:14.04 | Fri13 | liable: Like is there anykind tool to clean /etc as windows has registry cleaners? (No, this is not troll, it's just pure good question) |
| 15:14.22 | theatro | maddoc_, you must be getting some error then at boot time |
| 15:14.36 | hoarycripple | Fri13, you don't ever need to do that unless you put something in etc/ yourself that you need to remove |
| 15:14.46 | theatro | what happens when you do ssh start? |
| 15:14.54 | maddoc_ | It starts. |
| 15:15.04 | mbroeker | Fri13, dpkg -l | grep ^rc ( all packages with rc status are purgable...) |
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| 15:15.55 | maddoc_ | theatro: And cat /var/log/syslog | grep -i ssh doesn't display anything. |
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| 15:16.21 | maddoc_ | Any other way to check for error messages? daemon.log doesn't contain anything either. |
| 15:16.49 | valdyn | Fri13: contrary to windows behaviour, debian etc content is left there intentionally for a purpose ( though we sure dont know if it was your intention ) |
| 15:16.59 | Jonny | Hi all - I am trying to figure out how I can send mails from mh-e via SMTP with TLS. Can this be done directly or should I go via the local MTA? (I need to be able to send mail from multiple accounts, i.e. connections to multiple remote SMTP servers) |
| 15:17.00 | dutchfish | maddoc_, if this is debian etch you could just apt-get install --reinstall openssh-server |
| 15:17.13 | wng-- | Hi, im installing debian on a machine with a 3ware 9690 with 2 300GB drives, / is mounted on /dev/sda3, but it can't see it when it tries to boot, and gives me an alert that /dev/sda3 does not exist, any ideas? |
| 15:17.19 | helo | i was logged into a remote server via ssh, and suddently i get "Connection reset by peer", and now i can ping the host, but ssh is refusing to let me connect, saying connection refused... has this ever happened to someone? |
| 15:17.35 | helo | i fear a security breach... |
| 15:17.38 | maddoc_ | dutchfish: I think I've tried it, but I'll give it a try. |
| 15:17.46 | valdyn | helo: your ip changed possibly |
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| 15:19.10 | helo | valdyn: both are static |
| 15:19.31 | valdyn | helo: the server crashed? |
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| 15:20.12 | valdyn | helo: some kind of server failure is probably more likely than a breach, unless you use really weak passwords |
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| 15:20.21 | helo | nope, the server didn't crash |
| 15:21.00 | valdyn | helo: the fact that you can ping it only means that it didnt crash completely, but it can still have a broken disk |
| 15:21.05 | theatro | maddoc_, in your default runlevel, /etc/rcX.d/ what is the name of the ssh symbolic link? |
| 15:21.06 | valdyn | helo: making it impossible to ssh in |
| 15:21.12 | Fri13 | valdyn: thanks |
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| 15:21.52 | maddoc_ | theatro: Hm, how do I check what's the default runlevel? :-P |
| 15:22.00 | valdyn | !runlevel |
| 15:22.00 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 15:22.16 | valdyn | maddoc_: and debians default is 2 |
| 15:22.17 | theatro | it says default runlevel in /etc/inittab |
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| 15:22.30 | maddoc_ | Ah |
| 15:22.33 | dpx | how do I list which packages are installed via apt-get? |
| 15:22.39 | maddoc_ | "S20ssh" |
| 15:22.41 | valdyn | dpx: not at all |
| 15:22.49 | maddoc_ | dpkg --list? |
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| 15:22.54 | valdyn | dpx: packages dont save what installed them |
| 15:23.18 | dpx | thankd maddoc |
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| 15:23.20 | dpx | s* |
| 15:23.23 | theatro | ok then, it should start, manpage says if it was K20ssh, it wouldnt. Now, I dont know, what else... |
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| 15:23.37 | maddoc_ | Yeah. :-/ |
| 15:23.50 | valdyn | theatro: Sxyssh needs to be there |
| 15:23.55 | maddoc_ | Well, I'll try to reinstall it. The thing is that I can't reboot the server and test. |
| 15:24.15 | wng-- | Hi, im installing debian on a machine with a 3ware 9690 with 2 300GB drives, / is mounted on /dev/sda3, but it can't see it when it tries to boot, and gives me an alert that /dev/sda3 does not exist, any ideas? |
| 15:24.18 | maddoc_ | Hmm. If I reinstall, I need to be logged in local right? :-/ |
| 15:25.23 | abrotman | wng--: is it real raid? |
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| 15:27.17 | wng-- | abrotman: RAID 1 off controller |
| 15:27.18 | Justin | wng--: what is "it"? |
| 15:27.20 | dpx | maddoc: does that list the package name? like if I wanted to install these packages on another system? |
| 15:27.30 | abrotman | wng--: yes .. but is it real raid or fakeraid ? |
| 15:27.46 | wng-- | it's real raid as far as i know |
| 15:27.57 | abrotman | then i guess the driver has to be in your initrd |
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| 15:28.46 | dutchfish | 9690 = On-board I/O RISC processor and RAID offload |
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| 15:29.23 | helo | valdyn: it seems to be intermittently letting me ssh in |
| 15:29.44 | helo | valdyn: but it is not rebooting |
| 15:30.32 | maddoc_ | dpx: Yeah, it lists the package names. |
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| 15:31.27 | Arelis | http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb234/vurdlak8/Old_Stone_Gate.gif <-- Hello everyone. I found this image,. It's a 3d image that you don't need stereo glasses for. I want to create a movie using this technique. What's good software for it? |
| 15:31.33 | maddoc_ | Dunno how to install all the packages that you have on another system though. With some regexp it might be possible. |
| 15:31.53 | dutchfish | wng--, are you able to check status in the raid controller of the mirrored group? |
| 15:32.10 | wols | !clone |
| 15:32.11 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 15:32.20 | Justin | maddoc_: dpx: /msg dpkg selections |
| 15:32.27 | wols | !factinfo clone |
| 15:32.27 | dpkg | clone -- created by ricky_clarkson <~ricky_cla@newton-1003.salford.ac.uk> at Thu Aug 7 15:02:51 2003 (1680 days); it has been requested 119 times, last by wols, 17s ago. |
| 15:32.35 | Justin | it's selections, not clone |
| 15:32.37 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:32.37 | dpkg | qotd161 is probably * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 15:32.56 | maddoc_ | Justin: Cool. :-) |
| 15:33.14 | geggam | !bot abuse |
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| 15:33.35 | helo | i'm probably going to have to fly out to this server to find out what is wrong with it :/ |
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| 15:33.51 | Nyle | !debian clone |
| 15:33.51 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 15:34.11 | Justin | helo: ip conflicts can do things like that |
| 15:35.01 | dutchfish | Justin, or a borken router ;) |
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| 15:37.12 | n3kl | How can I verify the system I am on is running debian? like an /etc/version or something? |
| 15:37.27 | helo | hmmmm.... could ip conflicts also make the box come up and down sporadically? |
| 15:37.28 | Justin | n3kl: /etc/debian_version /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:37.44 | n3kl | Justin: ah, nice. Thanks |
| 15:37.46 | Justin | helo: it could yes |
| 15:38.37 | helo | i just noticed something f'd up in auth.log... i have some entires from 10am, then AFTER those a couple from 5am, and then some from 10am... |
| 15:38.50 | dpx | will running that dpkg --set-selections copy non-free sources as well? I have the sun java sdk installed |
| 15:38.59 | dpx | or do I still have to edit sources.list before I do that |
| 15:39.17 | dutchfish | helo, is your machines time correct? |
| 15:39.32 | helo | the entries from 5am were right after it rebooted |
| 15:39.49 | helo | maybe the system time is messed up, but ntpdate ran on boot and fixed the time later in the boot |
| 15:40.26 | dutchfish | helo, better use ntp, ntpdate can mess up things if it takes a huge jump in time |
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| 15:40.50 | dutchfish | !tzconfig |
| 15:40.50 | dpkg | from memory, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
| 15:41.02 | dutchfish | !ntp |
| 15:41.02 | dpkg | ntp is, like, the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 15:41.08 | rati | Hey I have one WRT45G wireless router and its not functionaning properly, I have downloaded firmware upgrade file of WRT54GS-v7.2_fw.bin and does it works fine? |
| 15:41.15 | helo | ahh, that's the ticket |
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| 15:41.35 | helo | rati: try #hardware or #networking |
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| 15:43.36 | Justin | helo: if you can login to the system you can try running network-test on it |
| 15:44.59 | Jonny | Hi all - I am trying to figure out how I can send mails from mh-e via SMTP with TLS. Can this be done directly or should I go via the local MTA? (I need to be able to send mail from multiple accounts, i.e. connections to multiple remote SMTP servers) |
| 15:45.12 | helo | wth... it received a dhcp request for a public-facing ip from a client on an internal net |
| 15:45.42 | Jonny | helo, you're running a strict iptables on there? |
| 15:45.51 | dutchfish | helo, thats a machine on the same switch or net as yours |
| 15:45.52 | Justin | helo: ah, rogue dhcp server can mess things up for you too :) |
| 15:46.26 | helo | Jonny: all internet facing ports are blocked besides ssh |
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| 15:47.09 | Jonny | helo, does it have links to the WAN and to a LAN as well? (you mentioned receiving a request from a client on an internal net) |
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| 15:47.52 | [HaldriK] | hello |
| 15:48.08 | helo | Jonny: one nic is the internal net, and the other nic is an internet ip address (with other machines on the same net with other net ip addys) |
| 15:48.37 | helo | ltp-network-test? |
| 15:48.49 | [HaldriK] | somebody has installed, debian x86 on a amd64 cpu, using linux-image-amd64 and having nvidia card? |
| 15:49.35 | helo | hmm... i tried pinging my own ip and immediately the connection was reset |
| 15:49.40 | helo | well, after a couple pings |
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| 15:50.24 | Jonny | helo, it you're sure the link itself is up then something like an IP conflict or routing problem may be to blame |
| 15:50.36 | Jonny | if* |
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| 15:51.27 | XoX | hi |
| 15:51.57 | XoX | anyone know a compressed file system that supports Posix ACLs? |
| 15:51.58 | hellop | Hello. Can I run X on a computer with no video card? I have a KDE app I would like to run on a remote server. What's the best way? I know X is designed for networking, but would VNC be better? |
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| 15:52.10 | wols | hellop: yes |
| 15:52.25 | wols | and yes, remote X would be "better" usually |
| 15:52.42 | hellop | wols, better then vnc? |
| 15:52.50 | helo | Justin: where is network-test? i installed ltp-network-test, but can't find any bins |
| 15:52.59 | wols | depends on your goals |
| 15:53.52 | hellop | wols, well, goal is to: install KDE and start is on a remote server... then somehow access it's GUI in real time |
| 15:54.00 | hellop | start it* |
| 15:54.15 | hellop | its sorry |
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| 15:55.06 | megasquid | is there any way to get average cpu usage over a time interval on debian? |
| 15:55.33 | Jonny | cacti+snmpd? ;) |
| 15:55.35 | hellop | wols, just before I go learning how to network X, why do you think it would be better then VNC? is it ok for DSL connections, and if so, then why don't people use it over VNC? |
| 15:55.57 | wols | VNC is easier to use and they know about it |
| 15:56.09 | wols | lb-x should be doable over DSL |
| 15:56.16 | wols | the problem with vnc it's of much worse quality |
| 15:56.22 | Jonny | hellop, or give NX some thought |
| 15:56.53 | geggam | wols , your opinion on x forwarding via ssh ? |
| 15:57.21 | wols | if you use DSL, it's mandatory. or a vpn |
| 15:57.33 | hellop | I guess, as I understand it, network X is like Windows remote desktop, instead of sending JPG like info, it sends "API calls"? and then the client renders the windows |
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| 15:59.13 | MrRoland | debian is the best linux distro ever :) |
| 15:59.16 | Jonny | hellop, a bit of both I think; X is quite bandwidth heavy though |
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| 15:59.40 | Jonny | hellop, VNC is better and is well supported |
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| 15:59.55 | pmv | MrRoland, to each his own |
| 15:59.59 | pmv | and it depends on the application |
| 16:00.00 | hellop | But I was under the impression that when you remote to X, then the programs are being run... on the client, and if you disconnect, the program quits running. Which is no good for a server app that needs to stay running. |
| 16:00.21 | pmv | hellop, this is correct |
| 16:00.26 | megasquid | is there any way to get average cpu usage over a time interval on debian? |
| 16:00.27 | wols | hellop: "servre" and "client" are a bit different with X |
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| 16:00.35 | pmv | it is not how you would usually think |
| 16:00.46 | pmv | it is not exactly a remote desktop scheme like vnc is |
| 16:00.57 | hellop | pmv, wols, ok thanks... so that settles it, I have to use VNC. |
| 16:00.58 | MrRoland | pmv is not the most performance distro but that apt rocks, every package works fine |
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| 16:01.08 | hellop | Who makes a server program in KDE? doh |
| 16:01.09 | wols | hellop: server is where you sit at and display and interact and client is the remote end the one without videocard |
| 16:01.19 | pmv | MrRoland, ah yes, in terms of package management it is #1 :) |
| 16:01.31 | wols | MrRoland: you need more sid and lenny usage :P |
| 16:02.11 | pmv | sid haha |
| 16:02.16 | pmv | i like sid tho |
| 16:02.39 | pmv | wols, uh, actually, the application is the client |
| 16:03.15 | pmv | the server is what displays the application, yes |
| 16:03.15 | wols | pmv: it's what I said |
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| 16:03.50 | pmv | the client is not necessarily the remote |
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| 16:04.10 | pmv | the client is the application that you can run off the remote box |
| 16:04.16 | valdyn | the X client can be anywhere, the server is always local |
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| 16:04.28 | hellop | wols just to clarify, you're talking in terms of Xserver/client, but if I want my app to be open for connections on the remote computer but view the GUI locally, it would still work like that right? |
| 16:04.38 | MrRoland | but why is this lack of performance in debian ? |
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| 16:04.49 | valdyn | MrRoland: theres no lack of performance in debian |
| 16:04.49 | pmv | hellop, you need a remote framebuffer mechanism. vnc works. |
| 16:04.57 | pmv | MrRoland, where are you getting this? |
| 16:05.08 | geggam | must have been running that blazing vista |
| 16:05.31 | pmv | geggam++ |
| 16:05.31 | pmv | :p |
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| 16:06.04 | dutchfish | debian is not slower, some admins maybe ;) |
| 16:06.38 | helo | hahaha, i just did an nmap scan of "my" ip and got a whole bunch of odd ports that are filtered: 5 30 111 113 170 291 313 517 536 561 597 649 907 1002 1485 1507 1513 1526 6143 9090 9152 27005 |
| 16:06.43 | pmv | debian may not be a performance-targetted distro, but there is not reason to think it is slower than others |
| 16:07.06 | helo | but nmap said there are too many fingerprints to determine the type of host :( |
| 16:07.32 | valdyn | helo: so you are being firewalled |
| 16:07.33 | pmv | hahaha |
| 16:08.12 | helo | valdyn: i was thinking someone else is using my IP, and the other machine is the one that nmap scanned |
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| 16:08.38 | hellop | megasquid sar does that.. |
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| 16:09.05 | valdyn | helo: im not sure how likely that is, considering that the switches / routers wouldnt just do round robin for your ips |
| 16:10.32 | hellop | pmv, so, whats the point of network X? I guess for diskless clients? 1 PC has the apps, many diskless clients can run them on the local CPUs? |
| 16:11.19 | pmv | hellop, mm.. well, it may not be the solution to your problem, you see. you have to look at it right to understand it. |
| 16:11.36 | pmv | it is client-server from the point of view of the application, or client |
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| 16:11.55 | pmv | the client has the data and the drawing instructions, but it needs a display server to draw it |
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| 16:12.27 | pmv | so applications connect to a display server. this is not necessarily over a network. even on your local machine X applications connect to the server at :0 |
| 16:12.47 | pmv | this has some nice implications |
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| 16:13.33 | pmv | for example, if you have a slow machine, you can run a basic X server, and have a heavy application from a remote (and more powerful) box displayed on your machine |
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| 16:14.02 | pmv | like CAD or some other processor-intensive app |
| 16:14.06 | hellop | ok |
| 16:14.10 | hellop | pmv, it just seems to make more sense to me if you switch the words client and server in what you just said |
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| 16:14.29 | pmv | hellop, haha, in the sense that the remote box "serves" the applications, yes |
| 16:14.37 | hellop | Or, that he original designers could have... |
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| 16:14.43 | hellop | yeah |
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| 16:14.49 | pmv | here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11#Design |
| 16:15.00 | hellop | but ok man thanks for explaining |
| 16:15.03 | themill | that's a very old debate and covered in most X FAQs |
| 16:15.05 | pmv | np |
| 16:15.10 | maligor | once tried to run matlab over the internet from school, over a ssh x tunnel, darned that was slow |
| 16:15.13 | helo | valdyn: so you think the router i am connecting to is telling me all of these ips are open? if i do a nmap on localhost, i only get 3 ports open (and none filtered) |
| 16:15.24 | helo | s/open/filtered/ |
| 16:15.32 | pmv | just remember that X is a display server architecture, not an application server |
| 16:15.43 | hellop | pmv, yeah, it's special |
| 16:16.17 | hellop | helo, what router are you connecting to? does your local router not receive your external ip? |
| 16:16.33 | pmv | think of it this way. you have many machines that do processing and applications, and just one machine with a huge display |
| 16:16.42 | helo | pmv: have you used ssh x11 forwarding before? it is probably the easiest way to play around with running apps remotely (displayed locally) |
| 16:16.54 | pmv | helo, yup. very useful :) |
| 16:17.07 | helo | err... that was to hellop |
| 16:17.31 | helo | hellop: i have no idea what kind of router it is... it is a dsl modem afaik, and i didn't set it up |
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| 16:17.40 | dutchfish | helo, pmv the proto is not secury unless over ssh or tunneled ;) |
| 16:17.52 | pmv | my desktop in college was a slow P200, really slow. I would run X and blackbox and then run openoffice from my roommate's computer |
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| 16:18.15 | Enverex | Can someone please explain what this means: "A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")" |
| 16:18.26 | pmv | dutchfish, well if I need the security I would use it. but otherwise, ssh just adds a whole lot of overhead to the transport |
| 16:18.31 | Enverex | (I just put a CF card in my reader and tried to browse it) |
| 16:18.42 | dutchfish | pmv, yup |
| 16:19.04 | dutchfish | pmv, you can tunnel through ssl |
| 16:19.30 | pmv | I would not dream of running X across anything bigger than a LAN anyway |
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| 16:19.42 | pmv | not with even the "broadband" speeds in this country |
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| 16:20.07 | szachista | hi |
| 16:20.12 | Yancho | hi, i have xfce user interface, but when i start up I have no taskbar shown .. what I can do to get it back please? |
| 16:20.33 | szachista | is it possible to specify somewhere which fonts will be available in programs like OOo, gimp or inkscape? |
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| 16:20.48 | hellop | helo, no X11 networking, but it seems like its best for local networking, or slow clients, I don't really see a need these days. Most computers can run openoffice.. maybe for some rendering software, but even then I don't see rotating a big 3d Cad drawing over the network that great |
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| 16:21.31 | szachista | i know there is local ~/.fonts dir, but the point is i want to disable many system fonts |
| 16:21.38 | pmv | hellop, we have a nice diskless X terminal setup here that works nicely |
| 16:21.48 | helo | hellop: i pretty much just use it in a dev environment so i don't have to walk around between machines |
| 16:21.49 | pmv | gives us a use for all the Pentiums lying around |
| 16:22.24 | dutchfish | pmv, but the same for vnc it isnt secure either |
| 16:23.07 | dutchfish | pmv, just a reminder ;) |
| 16:23.13 | hellop | helo, I wonder why VNC, can't just utilize whatever rendering shortcuts X11 networking uses. |
| 16:23.20 | MrRoland | anybody want a win 2008 servr screenshot? :P |
| 16:23.26 | Jonny | hellop, http://www.nomachine.com/ |
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| 16:23.46 | szachista | ohh... maybe i should specify question the other way: how can i force program do use other settings than those specified in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf? |
| 16:24.32 | helo | MrRoland: for me to poop on! |
| 16:24.47 | pmv | dutchfish, haha, well of course. and it is much slower than X. |
| 16:24.57 | pmv | but then that is not exactly apples to apples |
| 16:25.32 | dutchfish | pmv, yeh, still see a lot of unprotected open vnc ports on the net ... stupid |
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| 16:26.13 | alex12 | hi guys, quick question , im wanting to setup a cronjob so it runs every 5 minutes.. would this be correct: 1 * * * * rsync ....... ? |
| 16:26.20 | alex12 | sorry |
| 16:26.22 | alex12 | 5 * * * * |
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| 16:26.40 | cahoot | '/5? |
| 16:26.49 | kciR | angryuser: */5 |
| 16:26.53 | kciR | err, alex12 |
| 16:27.02 | alex12 | */5 * * * * |
| 16:27.03 | alex12 | ? |
| 16:27.08 | kciR | ues |
| 16:27.10 | kciR | yes |
| 16:27.12 | SexyKen | abrotman |
| 16:27.12 | alex12 | thanks :) |
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| 16:27.54 | SexyKen | Guys - I have a problem. |
| 16:28.21 | SexyKen | I am unable to fsck a drive, and it's complaining that there is a Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb |
| 16:28.36 | SexyKen | I've tried to issue fsck -b with the backup super blocks |
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| 16:28.39 | SexyKen | But nothing seems to work |
| 16:28.48 | SexyKen | And the error is instantanious after issuing the fsck command |
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| 16:31.11 | hellop | Jonny, this seemed interesting: Benchmarks have shown that NX can run Web applications in a remote browser session much faster than if the same application is run on the local browser. |
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| 16:32.44 | Yancho | -*-5 |
| 16:32.48 | hellop | SexyKen, did you try google? |
| 16:32.54 | SexyKen | Yes, I did try google. |
| 16:33.02 | SexyKen | And I tried every option on google also. |
| 16:33.04 | alex12 | whats this? comes from syslogd: kernel: TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 92.81.237.206:58563/8002 shrinks window 3181243528:3181245438. Repaired. |
| 16:33.07 | hellop | ahh |
| 16:33.15 | prahal | how do I get glib special dir like G_USER_DIRECTORY_DOWNLOAD defined on debian ? |
| 16:34.46 | hellop | SexyKen, so, you have a HD and you need the data? |
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| 16:35.08 | Jonny | hellop, I run full NX sessions daily from DSL -> DSL connections :) |
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| 16:35.16 | Jonny | hellop, I have been very impressed with it. |
| 16:35.17 | Justin | hellop: of course, especially if the page is really big, NX will only have to show the first screenful |
| 16:35.50 | SexyKen | EXT2-fs error (device sdb1): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 256 not in group (block 0)! |
| 16:35.50 | SexyKen | EXT2-fs: group descriptors corrupted! |
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| 16:36.26 | hellop | Jonny, are you using just the free version? |
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| 16:36.45 | Jonny | hellop, yeah - I use the debs there. |
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| 16:38.15 | hellop | Sexy: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/bad-superblock-how-to-recover-data-346696/ |
| 16:38.22 | hellop | some solutions there |
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| 16:39.12 | myosound | hello, does anyone know if I can install windows from the cd using kvm/qemu, or do I have to make an iso ? |
| 16:39.33 | dutchfish | myosound, both work |
| 16:39.47 | myosound | ok great thanks |
| 16:40.13 | xjkx | "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" what the 3rd all stands for ? the visudo comments says that its user machine=commands, but that does not explain the last ALL |
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| 16:41.09 | themill | xjkx: it's actually the 2nd ALL you want explaining ;) |
| 16:41.29 | dutchfish | myosound, you might want to look at qemulauncher |
| 16:41.43 | xjkx | the 2nd is the commands i think, and the first is the machine |
| 16:42.06 | helo | well, that was interesting... figured out what the problem was... turns out, it was completely my fault lol |
| 16:42.23 | snakeoil | hi, i just managed to lock me out of my system. I played around with nss-ldap and now after a reboot I am unable to login. I tried to add "init=/bin/sh" in the grub menu, which used to work but does not anymore |
| 16:43.07 | snakeoil | i think this is because I am using LUKS encrypted filesystem. Is there a known way how to get a shell even if LUKS is used ? |
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| 16:43.12 | themill | xjkx: the second all is called "Tag_Spec" in man 5 sudoers. It is a description of how sudo is to challenge the user (e.g. NOPASSWD or PASSWD). The 3rd ALL is your command list. |
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| 16:44.41 | helo | i had a cable going from the internal network switch to a port on the external router! router problems ineed :) |
| 16:44.50 | xjkx | themill, thanks, going to test it :) |
| 16:45.09 | hellop | snakeoil, somehow mount HD on a different machine, assuming you know the encryption password, and edit /etc/shadow... |
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| 16:45.10 | helo | i am amazed things have worked as well as they have for so long... |
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| 16:46.11 | hellop | helo, I have a cable going to my wireless router, and wireless as my wan |
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| 16:48.22 | snakeoil | hellop, thank. I now manage to get a root shell with adding "single" at the grup menu as kernel parameter |
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| 16:48.50 | hellop | snakeoil, nice |
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| 16:49.13 | hellop | but... now it's asking for your root passwd right? |
| 16:49.36 | sigp239 | Does Debian testing work with the GeForce 8800GTX? |
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| 16:53.45 | helo | sigp239: it should, unless something is broken ;) |
| 16:53.48 | tuvwx | sigp239, why wouldn't it? using nvidia's binary drivers |
| 16:54.11 | tuvwx | sigp239, but what would you do with that monster in debian? |
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| 16:54.39 | sigp239 | tuvwx: Play some 3D games that I enjoy, like Neverwinter Nights, and Urban Terror. |
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| 16:54.52 | hellop | Jonny, lol NX runs remote desktop over 9600bps modems |
| 16:54.57 | efaistos | what's the new ipw3945 driver name ? |
| 16:54.59 | SexyKen | Hrm |
| 16:55.03 | SexyKen | debugfs opened the file system |
| 16:55.10 | helo | you could probably get good enough performance with a 6800 hehe |
| 16:55.14 | sn0 | efaistos ipl3945 i think |
| 16:55.18 | hellop | Sexy, great! |
| 16:55.26 | SexyKen | But now I dont know what to do with it |
| 16:55.27 | SexyKen | lol |
| 16:55.39 | sigp239 | helo; tuvwx: How do I set up the 3D driver? In Ubuntu it's set up nearly automatically. |
| 16:55.48 | sn0 | sigp239 testing will, but there is no nvidia-glx package in testing, so either backport from sid or install nvidia.com driver manually, up to you |
| 16:55.54 | wols | sigp239: what videocard? |
| 16:56.09 | helo | dpkg: tell sigp239 about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:56.10 | Jonny | hellop :P |
| 16:56.13 | hellop | Sexy mount and copy off data? format it and reinstall? |
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| 16:56.39 | tuvwx | sigp239, install nvidia-source and nvidia-glx from unstable and run 'm-a a-i nvidia' |
| 16:56.39 | SexyKen | debugfs doesn't actually mount the disk |
| 16:56.43 | efaistos | sn0: cant remember someone give an url the other day |
| 16:57.15 | sn0 | yep its ipl3945 since 2.6.24 efaistos |
| 16:57.20 | themill | !iwlwifi |
| 16:57.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree> |
| 16:57.29 | sn0 | oh im wrong :) .24 |
| 16:57.32 | sn0 | .23 even |
| 16:57.39 | themill | sn0: it's iwl not ipl |
| 16:57.44 | tuvwx | sigp239, to be accurate: 1) install nvidia-kernel-source from unstable, 2) run 'm-a a-i nvidia', 3) install nvidia-glx from unstable |
| 16:57.49 | sn0 | then im wrong twice, great start today :) |
| 16:57.56 | sigp239 | wols: Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX |
| 16:58.03 | themill | sn0: heh ;) |
| 16:58.08 | NiLon | is there somekind plugin for collectd that it could store info to database instead of files |
| 16:58.15 | helo | sigp239: ubuntu isn't as strict about including proprietary stuff in their distro, so some extra work is required in debian |
| 16:58.18 | sigp239 | sn0: No nvidia-glx package in testing? What does that mean? |
| 16:58.24 | wols | sigp239: you will need to backport sid's drivers |
| 16:58.25 | efaistos | themill++ |
| 16:58.29 | wols | !tell sigp239 about simple sid backport |
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| 16:58.33 | sigp239 | wols: Oh I don't want to backport I don't think |
| 16:58.43 | helo | backporting is pretty painless, really :) |
| 16:58.45 | wols | it means there is no nvidia drivers in testing |
| 16:58.52 | sigp239 | Do you think nvidia-glx will work when Lenny is stable? |
| 16:58.53 | sn0 | sigp239 in debian nvidia-glx is the package that includes the nvidia driver, you have the option of using this or manually installing the nvidia.com driver |
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| 16:59.03 | wols | sigp239: yes |
| 16:59.11 | wols | this will take at least 9 months imho. probably longer |
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| 16:59.31 | sigp239 | Which is better nvidia-glx or nvidia.com driver? |
| 16:59.50 | helo | you should use the debian packages, not the nvidia.com installer |
| 16:59.54 | Enverex | sigp239, It's the same thing |
| 16:59.58 | bogor | I am able to play mp3 fine, but i am not getting any sound from *flash* . I want to listen to youtube what should i do ? |
| 17:00.01 | tuvwx | sigp239, you can just download the nvidia unstable packages from packages.debian.org |
| 17:00.09 | sn0 | well nvidia-glx in etch would be no use for your card model, testing doesn't have it so as said above, either backport from sid and build it, or install the nvidia.com driver manually |
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| 17:00.28 | tuvwx | sigp239, debian unstable packages are managed by apt, so they don't mess up your system |
| 17:00.30 | sigp239 | tuvwx: Hmm. I wonder if Debian would ever make it easier to install like Ubuntu does? |
| 17:00.53 | szachista | when i run fc-cache i'm getting: "fc-cache: "/usr/share/fonts": "/usr/share/fonts": error scanning", there is nothing more in /var/log/fontconfig.log, so what could be the problem? |
| 17:00.57 | sn0 | sigp239 the dreaded/infamous tool 'envy' works for etch, like it does on ubuntu but many people won't recommend it (it installs latest nvidia.com driver for you) |
| 17:01.06 | helo | sigp239: unlikely... debian won't ever include the nvidia binary-only driver by default |
| 17:01.07 | tuvwx | sigp239, it's pretty easy now, except that nvidia stuff is often not in testing! stable should be easier though |
| 17:01.27 | sigp239 | helo: Ubuntu doesn't include it by default either...it just runs a program that offers you that option if you elect to do it... |
| 17:01.39 | sn0 | ubuntu don't have the nvidia.com driver installed by default, its up to the user to enable it from restricted driver, just to be clear |
| 17:01.47 | sn0 | or nvidia-glx |
| 17:02.05 | sigp239 | sn0: 'envy' tool is the same as Ubuntu's nvidia installer? |
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| 17:02.40 | sn0 | no sigp239 , envy is a tool created first for ubuntu, to install the _latest_ nvidia driver, as the packaged driver in debian stable, ubuntu gutsy are both oldish for 8800/8600 nvidia cards |
| 17:02.49 | sn0 | ubuntu doesn't come with it installed however |
| 17:02.50 | valdyn | sigp239: its easy in debian, if you run stable and the stable kernel |
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| 17:03.28 | helo | valdyn: not with his 8800 |
| 17:03.33 | valdyn | sigp239: meaning that debian ships the precompiled drivers for that kernel on stable and you just need to install nvidia-glx |
| 17:03.39 | tuvwx | sigp239, my 3 steps will get you going in no time |
| 17:03.44 | valdyn | helo: yes, that cannot change |
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| 17:04.23 | sigp239 | hmm |
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| 17:04.28 | sigp239 | a lot of information |
| 17:04.30 | valdyn | helo: debian policy determines that debian cannot add new software to a stable release, but excludes new hardware support too, unfortunately |
| 17:04.50 | bogor | why there is no sound in flash in iceweasel ? |
| 17:05.07 | wols | bogor: no OSS support on your system? |
| 17:05.19 | sn0 | sigp239 as you can see, binary drivers can be complicated :) |
| 17:05.20 | Mojo | sounds in flash works for me |
| 17:05.32 | sn0 | things are getting better, slowly |
| 17:05.42 | sigp239 | sn0: so envy installs the latest nvidia driver? why is that controversial? |
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| 17:05.50 | valdyn | !nvidia drivers |
| 17:05.50 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 17:05.52 | cmilfo | wondering if someone here can help. i need a font (Slogan) i used on gentoo. i looked on packages.debian.org, but did not find a package containing the font. is there somewhere else i can look? |
| 17:05.53 | bogor | wols: I am able to play mp3 files with rythmbox. So the problem is in iceweasel or flash. I use flash 9.0 |
| 17:06.00 | Mojo | probably because its not opensource |
| 17:06.12 | wols | bogor: and I told you why |
| 17:06.45 | valdyn | bogor: whats the output of ls /dev/dsp ? |
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| 17:06.48 | wols | sigp239: as soon as you use envy, NO ONE will ever support you again, not ubuntt and not debian. envy breaks debian (and ubuntu) |
| 17:06.54 | sn0 | sigp239 i haven't been able to get any clarification, there comes a time when users with certain cards _have_ to use the latest nvidia.com driver, envy helps solve this problem and fixes some problems with the nvidia installer while its at it, but its a lazy method i guess |
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| 17:06.56 | bogor | wols: How to check if OSS support is there ? |
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| 17:07.11 | wols | bogor: answer valdyn |
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| 17:07.29 | wols | sn0: envy never helps anyone, no matter what you say |
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| 17:07.43 | tuvwx | cmilfo, if you know the file name, you can install apt-file and do 'apt-file update; apt-file search <filename>'. apt-file allows searching for files in the entire set of debian packages, whether they are installed or not |
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| 17:08.02 | valdyn | sn0: there's plenty solutions to this issue that are supportable by debian. |
| 17:08.04 | bogor | valdyn: -anna:/home/ashwin# ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 17:08.05 | bogor | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-03-14 03:26 /dev/dsp |
| 17:08.11 | sigp239 | wols: Why would I use envy when I could just use the nvidia.com installer? |
| 17:08.11 | sn0 | valdyn indeed, im just giving all the options |
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| 17:08.20 | cmilfo | tuvwx: thank you |
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| 17:08.26 | wols | sigp239: nvidia.com isn't supported here either |
| 17:08.38 | wols | no as bad as envy, but bad enough |
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| 17:08.55 | sn0 | both are an imperfect solution to a nasty problem really |
| 17:09.07 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:09.07 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 17:09.25 | sigp239 | why is it a nasty problem? ubuntu seems to have made it look clean and nice. |
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| 17:09.31 | wols | !ops |
| 17:09.31 | dpkg | ops is, like, Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 17:09.34 | Sheogorath | >< |
| 17:09.34 | Asmooh | wtf? |
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| 17:09.35 | wols | !ops flooding |
| 17:09.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: flooding |
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| 17:10.43 | sigp239 | why is it a nasty problem? ubuntu seems to have made it look clean and nice. |
| 17:11.03 | bogor | valdyn, any clue ? |
| 17:11.08 | valdyn | sigp239: we got your point that ubntu solves this "nicer" than debian |
| 17:11.16 | valdyn | sigp239: no need to repeat it |
| 17:11.22 | wols | sigp239: it's not. and ubuntu cannot currently install 8800gts cards for example |
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| 17:11.49 | sigp239 | wols: I test installed ubuntu 8.04 alpha 6 and it handled my 8800 gtx just fine |
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| 17:12.02 | valdyn | bogor: does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" give something audible? |
| 17:12.18 | tuvwx | sigp239, probably by a nv or vesa driver |
| 17:12.20 | wols | sigp239: I said gts. and alphas are not released software |
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| 17:13.01 | bogor | valdyn, i get device or resource busy |
| 17:13.01 | sigp239 | tuvwx: No it was working with 3D desktop effects and my games |
| 17:13.22 | valdyn | bogor: fuser /dev/dsp |
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| 17:13.57 | valdyn | sigp239: why dont you just use ubuntu if alpha software is fine? |
| 17:13.58 | sigp239 | But I can't stand the changes that Ubuntu makes to the proper GNOME desktop. |
| 17:14.06 | bogor | valdyn, /dev/dsp : 3250 |
| 17:14.22 | sigp239 | Debian just seems so much more clean and proper. |
| 17:14.41 | valdyn | bogor: ps aux | grep 3250 |
| 17:14.53 | sigp239 | But I don't want to use backports for nvidia-glx so I'll just wait until Lenny works |
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| 17:15.14 | Enverex | sigp239, Lenny "works"? In what way dosen't it work? |
| 17:15.26 | valdyn | Enverex: supports his hardware |
| 17:15.43 | Enverex | Ah |
| 17:15.53 | bogor | valdyn, -anna:/home/ashwin# ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 17:15.53 | bogor | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-03-14 03:26 /dev/dsp |
| 17:15.53 | bogor | valdyn, /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps |
| 17:15.54 | sigp239 | Enverex: nvidia-glx |
| 17:16.08 | Enverex | 196.09 is quite old isn't it |
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| 17:16.10 | valdyn | bogor: you really need to use esd / gnome sound effects ? |
| 17:16.19 | bogor | valdyn. plz ignore 1st two |
| 17:16.41 | bogor | valdyn, no i dont want |
| 17:16.49 | valdyn | bogor: switch it off |
| 17:16.58 | bogor | valdyn, how ? |
| 17:17.08 | valdyn | bogor: run gnome-sound-properties |
| 17:17.47 | Enverex | hrm, Jan 22nd |
| 17:18.31 | sigp239 | BTW is there a release progress meter for Lenny? |
| 17:18.53 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 17:18.53 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/02/msg00002.html |
| 17:18.54 | valdyn | sigp239: that progress meter is irrelevant atm, lenny isnt in a release preparation stage yet |
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| 17:19.35 | CharminTheMoose | does anyone know if it's possible for me to log the contents of /dev/stdout to a file? |
| 17:19.40 | valdyn | sigp239: once the real preparation start you can follow bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 17:19.48 | valdyn | sigp239: once the real preparation start you can follow http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 17:19.53 | bogor | valdyn, still no sound. I have switched it off |
| 17:20.03 | valdyn | bogor: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 17:20.09 | bogor | valdyn, should i restart the system ? |
| 17:20.11 | Enverex | Hrm, the nVidia drivers in the repos are 3 or 4 versions out of date, that's not good |
| 17:20.13 | valdyn | bogor: no |
| 17:20.26 | valdyn | Enverex: in which repos? |
| 17:20.34 | Enverex | valdyn, Sid |
| 17:20.39 | bogor | valdyn, no output |
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| 17:20.50 | valdyn | bogor: just restart your webbrowser |
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| 17:22.12 | sigp239 | GNOME 2.22 released today. |
| 17:22.15 | sigp239 | http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.22/ |
| 17:22.40 | valdyn | ... and is partially in sid already |
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| 17:23.00 | bogor | valdyn: flash not working. It kinda get stuck even if the red progress bar is full |
| 17:23.18 | valdyn | bogor: that is a new issue? |
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| 17:23.38 | Enverex | Why is there such a long lead-time for drivers getting into even experimental in Debian? (nothing newer than 169.09 available) |
| 17:23.55 | valdyn | Enverex: you understand how debian packages are maintained? |
| 17:24.06 | Enverex | valdyn, ... slowly? |
| 17:24.21 | alex12 | would there be anyway for a cronjob to run every 30 seconds? |
| 17:24.25 | valdyn | Enverex: no? |
| 17:24.27 | alex12 | */0.5 * * * * |
| 17:24.28 | alex12 | ? |
| 17:24.31 | abrotman | alex12: no |
| 17:24.41 | abrotman | alex12: cron is minute granularity |
| 17:24.42 | bogor | valdyn:, flash stoped working completely, does it depend on gnome-sound-properties |
| 17:24.45 | valdyn | Enverex: they're mostly maintained by individual persons, not by corporations |
| 17:24.52 | alex12 | ok abrotman |
| 17:24.55 | valdyn | Enverex: and people do all kind of things like going on vacation |
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| 17:25.00 | Enverex | valdyn, Right, but this isn't some small app that only one or two people are going to need |
| 17:25.01 | valdyn | Enverex: or uh, get sick, whatever |
| 17:25.12 | valdyn | Enverex: its still only one person being the maintainer |
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| 17:26.00 | bogor | valdyn:thanks for the effort ;) |
| 17:26.08 | Enverex | valdyn, Surely there should be fall-backs or someone else step up in the meantime and do it... |
| 17:26.20 | valdyn | bogor: its possible that flash was configured to use esd, i wouldnt know about it |
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| 17:26.29 | valdyn | bogor: in that case you should get it back working if you reenable that |
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| 17:26.49 | Enverex | Flash uses OSS afaik |
| 17:26.54 | valdyn | Enverex: if another individual person does the packaging, yes |
| 17:26.55 | Enverex | Or at least used to |
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| 17:27.03 | valdyn | !nmu |
| 17:27.03 | dpkg | somebody said nmu was Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 17:27.29 | valdyn | flash uses oss, but debian optionally redirects that to esd or arts |
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| 17:27.42 | Enverex | valdyn, It's just people in here have a spaz if you mention you installed a package direct from the company, yet the only alternative is wait months and months for a package that 'may' be released... |
| 17:27.45 | valdyn | i forogot which package i have to reconfigure to set that |
| 17:28.12 | valdyn | Enverex: no, they get spasms when you want help with it, you are free to do it on your own |
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| 17:28.43 | Enverex | valdyn, Still, that's not really very reassuring. |
| 17:28.50 | valdyn | i think its in the wiki, how to use nvidias installer |
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| 17:29.16 | valdyn | Enverex: its got a point too, nvidias installer on debian is just ugly |
| 17:29.36 | Enverex | I know how to use it, nVidia's installer is simple, just as I said if I ever use it and come here for any reason, people just ignore you, heh |
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| 17:30.07 | valdyn | Enverex: its pretty hard to track down which files you have to fix manually |
| 17:30.24 | valdyn | Enverex: and people asking here typically arent that familiar with tools like ldd |
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| 17:31.54 | intx | is there some place I can manually specify cylinders/heads/sectors in linux? |
| 17:32.05 | valdyn | intx: why would you do that? |
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| 17:32.34 | valdyn | Saturday 02 February 2008 is last upload by randall? |
| 17:32.37 | valdyn | thats not that old |
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| 17:32.54 | Enverex | valdyn, Linux really needs some standard stuff. Using installers that put files anywhere and everywhere (and subsequently get you ignored by distro help) aren't good. On the other hand neither is waiting 3 months for an update to something that's been updated 4 times during that period... |
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| 17:33.49 | valdyn | Enverex: this is the same on windows or any other computer |
| 17:34.00 | maligor | Enverex, like the ati installer? |
| 17:34.01 | valdyn | Enverex: you are not going to get photoshop help from microsoft |
| 17:34.18 | intx | valdyn: i'm getting HD errors, I think it's because the bios is giving false info |
| 17:34.18 | Enverex | maligor, That one is actually good, it generates distro packages |
| 17:34.19 | intx | valdyn: hda: dma_intr: error=0x05 { DriveStatusError Add |
| 17:34.20 | intx | rMarkNotFound }, LBAsect=169708806, high=10, low=1936646, sector=169707783 |
| 17:34.26 | hellop | Jonny, Justin, NX uses a differential/lookup compression technique. I thought of something like that for VNC, where it would store each new layer drawn: desktop, then firefox, then terminal, and reference those images. So, dragging Firefox, would only send the position of the cursor. IOW, caching images of windows, creating new objects of differental info. Sending position changes of object ids instead of graphical data. Also, differe |
| 17:34.32 | valdyn | Enverex: having one place to ask for a _huge_ amount of software is pretty much unique to debian |
| 17:34.38 | intx | valdyn: the drive itself works fine in another machine, passed extended SMART tests |
| 17:34.46 | Enverex | valdyn, Not really, every distro does that |
| 17:34.56 | valdyn | Enverex: every other distro is smaller |
| 17:35.07 | valdyn | Enverex: but for what they ship, sure |
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| 17:35.29 | valdyn | intx: driver / hardware issue |
| 17:35.34 | Enverex | valdyn, Smaller? Gentoo and others don't seem really smaller |
| 17:35.39 | hellop | VNC doesn't do this, but NX does. But NX also compresses the Xserver drawing functions, like drawSlider, CloseWindow, and compresses the common ones, I assume using 32bit bitpacking... |
| 17:35.40 | valdyn | intx: like cabling etc |
| 17:35.43 | valdyn | Enverex: they are |
| 17:36.24 | valdyn | Enverex: but thats past my point really, point was that you arent going to find a single source support everything anywhere |
| 17:36.26 | hellop | so like the most common 1024 in the front, then the rest of the byte is differential information representing "object ids".. like cursor position |
| 17:36.35 | valdyn | Enverex: unless you do some expensive ibm support contract kind of thing |
| 17:36.35 | intx | valdyn: could be a hardware issue. changing the bios CHS/LBA/Large settings seemed to help a little, but the problem is still occuring, which makes me suspect it's the geometry info that's inaccurate |
| 17:36.37 | hellop | it's pretty cool |
| 17:36.53 | Enverex | valdyn, Yeah, I guess I just got into that habbit with Linux for some reason |
| 17:36.54 | intx | valdyn: it's a serial ata drive that's being recognized as /dev/hda |
| 17:37.14 | Enverex | valdyn, Thanks for the help though, I'll go back to the manual packages for nVidia |
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| 17:38.57 | intx | valdyn: it's a maxtor 6L250S0 on a dfi lanparty kt400a.. I think the motherboard converts it from SATA to PATA |
| 17:39.13 | Enverex | tuvwx, Because they are 4 versions out of date |
| 17:39.17 | hellop | Jonny, Justin, it would be cool if you could cache most of the internet onto a DVD, all slashdot ads, fark, etc, then using NX, someone could browse the web using Dialup at DSL rendering speed! |
| 17:39.36 | Jonny | heh |
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| 17:39.47 | intx | valdyn: because there's no seperate section for it in the bios, it replaces a PATA drive slot (and the manual says you can only have 3 IDE + 1 SATA drive or 4 IDE drives) |
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| 17:40.21 | intx | valdyn: and linux doesn't mention anything about serial ata in the boot messages, seems to recognize it as a PATA drive |
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| 17:40.56 | bogo1 | intx, that cant be true, mine is recognised as sda |
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| 17:42.33 | intx | bogo1: like I said, I think the bios/chipset does it |
| 17:42.38 | intx | bogo1: I found it very odd as well |
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| 17:43.11 | intx | but there's no indication it's a serial ata drive, except to actually open the computer and look, so I suspect it's all converted via the motherboard. |
| 17:43.29 | amphi | intx: does the bios perhaps have two modes, AHCI and 'compatibility'? |
| 17:43.38 | intx | not exactly sure how any of this works, I'm definitely no computer engineer. |
| 17:43.49 | intx | amphi: don't think so. it's an old motherboard, I think this was when SATA just came out |
| 17:43.57 | maligor | KT400a is pretty ancient, I doubt AHCI existed back then |
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| 17:44.40 | intx | so instead of saying 'no sata support' they added a SATA -> PATA converter (marvell 88i8030) for one sata drive |
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| 17:44.52 | intx | something tells me it's not working properly though, given my errors in linux |
| 17:45.05 | intx | but I think manually specifying the CHS would fix it |
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| 17:45.54 | hellop | intx, why haven't you opened the computer and looked? |
| 17:46.28 | intx | hellop: it is a sata drive, that I know. |
| 17:47.11 | intx | hellop: inside the computer, it's a sata hard drive which was taken out of another pc just moments ago and connected via a sata cable.. so there's no doubt |
| 17:47.26 | joti5 | does anyone of you habe any idea how to get gcc-4.2 into debian etch stable? |
| 17:48.00 | intx | hellop: marvell 88i8030 is a chipset used for older seagate/wd/maxtor drives to convert from PATA to Serial ATA (fake Serial ATA hard drives, in a way) so I'm pretty sure it's being converted by the motherboard, just opposite in my case. |
| 17:48.18 | valdyn | intx: boot a livecd and check if it has the same issues |
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| 17:50.38 | aliesky | hello everybody |
| 17:50.52 | hellop | intx, well is is sdx or hdx in /dev/? |
| 17:50.59 | intx | hdx |
| 17:51.02 | hellop | is it |
| 17:51.05 | aliesky | how an i reload the Sarg configuration without restart the Apache Server? |
| 17:51.06 | hellop | oh |
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| 17:52.09 | valdyn | aliesky: "/etc/init.d/apache2 reload" or "force-reload" |
| 17:53.18 | hellop | intx, seems like a MB issue to me.. |
| 17:53.47 | intx | yeah, agreed. just need a solution :P |
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| 17:53.59 | hellop | Got windows live cd? |
| 17:54.08 | hellop | XP AIO for instance? |
| 17:54.14 | aliesky | valdyn: but when i reload the apache conf is reloaded also the SARG conf? |
| 17:54.18 | intx | nope.. could try that though |
| 17:54.25 | intx | would need to get one |
| 17:54.27 | hellop | torrent it |
| 17:54.28 | valdyn | aliesky: i dont know what SARG is |
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| 17:54.45 | intx | I was wondering that too :P |
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| 17:54.56 | aliesky | Sarg is a Squid Analysis Report Generator |
| 17:55.30 | valdyn | aliesky: i dont think sarg is a listening daemon, more like a software that runs on demand |
| 17:55.54 | valdyn | aliesky: so wouldnt it use the new configuration when you simply run it again? |
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| 17:55.58 | intx | aliesky: how does sarg update the reports? did you have to put it in the crontab, init, or did you just put it in a directory? |
| 17:56.12 | intx | if it's the latter, see valdyn's suggestion |
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| 17:56.17 | hellop | intx, seems like you just need another HD in your linux box, would time be bette spent using the Sata on the working MB, and finding another pata for this one? |
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| 17:56.37 | aliesky | valdyn: yes, but is i make a change in the configuration the changes work at the moment without a reload?? |
| 17:56.50 | intx | don't have a PATA, strapped on cash at the moment :/ |
| 17:56.58 | intx | actually I had 2 other PATAs, but they both failed smart tests :/ |
| 17:56.59 | valdyn | aliesky: just run sarg |
| 17:57.05 | intx | or some other test |
| 17:57.32 | aliesky | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 17:57.38 | valdyn | aliesky: i dont get what your issue can be when sarg is a report generator that reloads its config each time its run |
| 17:57.51 | valdyn | aliesky: and doesnt keep sitting there waiting for connections, like a daemon |
| 17:58.18 | ogamiitto | i'm trying to change the pid file location of the mysql installed (via apt-get) in a debian box. I've edited /etc/mysql/my.cnf file and added the pid_file = /var/run/mysql.pid line. But when restarting mysql it still writes the pidfile in the old location. Any help? |
| 17:58.19 | intx | aliesky: there's nothing to 'reload' if it's not running at the moment. |
| 17:58.26 | aliesky | valdyn: ah ok, thanks again |
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| 17:58.49 | valdyn | aliesky: maybe you have a cgi script that displays this stuff via apache2 |
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| 17:59.07 | valdyn | aliesky: in that case it will rerun sarg each time you access that site, probably |
| 17:59.15 | aliesky | valdyn: ok |
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| 18:02.59 | hellop | ogamiitto, does mysql have write permission to the new location? |
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| 18:04.02 | ogamiitto | they have write permissions on the new pidfile |
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| 18:04.32 | ogamiitto | it has write permissions on the new pidfile |
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| 18:07.14 | ogamiitto | The problem is that I restart mysql and it ommits the fact that i've added a new line in my.cnf specifyng the pidfile location, i've been looking in debian specific mysql config files in case pidfile location was specified there, but they haven't anything |
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| 18:10.57 | helo | hahahaha, i just figured out how to drag a window off screen... anyone know how to reposition a window that can't be clicked? |
| 18:12.40 | themill | helo: i kde, right click the taskbar entry, select move, then move the window with your mouse |
| 18:13.05 | themill | in* |
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| 18:14.07 | helo | if you drag a window (in fluxbox at least) as high as you can (until your mouse stops at the top of the screen), then repeat: let off the mouse button, hold click again (without moving the mouse), drag it down a few pixels, then back up to the top |
| 18:14.38 | helo | the window will move 1 pixel higher each time, until it moves off the screen entirely |
| 18:15.03 | Justin | helo: you should be able to alt-tab to it, then say, hit the maximize key combo |
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| 18:19.09 | hellop | ogamiitto, well if not a permission issue, find which files reference mysql.pid this should work: |
| 18:19.19 | hellop | grep -i -r –with-filename –line-number 'mysql.pid' / |
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| 18:20.04 | hellop | also try set |grep sql |
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| 18:20.18 | DexterF | hi |
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| 18:20.35 | DexterF | how do I figure to which package a file belongs? |
| 18:20.58 | hellop | DexterF dpkg --help |
| 18:21.14 | hellop | err man dpkg |
| 18:21.19 | ogamiitto | i've just reached to a conclusion, i was writing the parameter this way: pid_file = /var/run/mysql.pid and the proper way to do it is pid-file = /var/run/mysql.pid . Mysql didn't complain about wrong syntax or unknown parameter. weird |
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| 18:22.47 | DexterF | hellop: -S, alright, thanks |
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| 18:28.21 | gregorovius | hey... anyone knows when will gnome 2.22 hit unstable? |
| 18:28.25 | gregorovius | or if it has already :) |
| 18:29.12 | simonrvn | !info gnome-panel sid |
| 18:29.16 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 446 kB, Installed size: 988 kB |
| 18:29.37 | simonrvn | ask the debian gnome peopele |
| 18:29.41 | gregorovius | !info gnome-panel experimental |
| 18:29.44 | simonrvn | people* |
| 18:30.11 | gregorovius | is there a debian gnome channel? |
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| 18:30.24 | simonrvn | on oftc if it exists |
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| 18:31.38 | gregorovius | xchat crashed =/ |
| 18:31.46 | darmi | lol |
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| 18:32.08 | [BT]JaC | hi |
| 18:32.19 | [BT]JaC | how do i change where i want apache to look for web files |
| 18:32.30 | DexterF | xerxes:~# aptitude show kde Version: 5:47 <- wth? |
| 18:32.40 | gregorovius | /etc/apache/apache.conf I think |
| 18:32.58 | [BT]JaC | cant find anything in there on it |
| 18:33.46 | darmi | of webpages [BT]JaC? |
| 18:33.57 | darmi | *for |
| 18:33.59 | [BT]JaC | yes |
| 18:34.01 | gregorovius | /etc/apache2/ |
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| 18:34.13 | gregorovius | apache2.conf |
| 18:34.33 | darmi | for users or the whole server |
| 18:34.36 | themill | DexterF: yes, what of it. kde is a metapackage. Look at kdelibs if you want to know what's really going on. Oh, and at a wild guess, /msg dpkg kde4 |
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| 18:34.40 | [BT]JaC | atm it points to /var/www/apache2-default |
| 18:34.45 | s0u][ight | hello i got a question |
| 18:34.45 | [BT]JaC | i dont see that line anywhere |
| 18:34.50 | [BT]JaC | in apache2.conf |
| 18:35.16 | phorce1_away | [BT]JaC: change Documentroot in /etc/apache/httpd.conf (apache 1.3.x --- locate appropriate file for apache2) |
| 18:35.39 | themill | [BT]JaC: it's in the virtual hosts settings in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 18:35.45 | [BT]JaC | o ok |
| 18:35.55 | DexterF | themill: if I want to know which version of kde is in stable, I have to look not for kde but for kdelibs. this is bogus. |
| 18:36.11 | themill | DexterF: tell someone who cares/ |
| 18:36.40 | DexterF | themill: I so totally will |
| 18:36.53 | themill | good... aptitude install reportbug |
| 18:37.13 | DexterF | oh hey, thanks, didn't know that one |
| 18:37.21 | [BT]JaC | ty themill |
| 18:37.25 | themill | np |
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| 18:37.59 | Lukian | How do I get a package which is no longer on packages.debian.org ? |
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| 18:38.37 | themill | !sdn |
| 18:38.37 | dpkg | well, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 18:38.45 | themill | Lukian: but it was probably removed for a reason |
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| 18:39.24 | _Jul|aN | bonjour |
| 18:39.40 | stiv2k | does .tar.gz have a maximum file size that can be stored in the archive??? |
| 18:39.51 | Lukian | themill, actually the newer build in testing and unstable has more bugs than the removed build :) |
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| 18:40.05 | themill | Lukian: :( what's the package? |
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| 18:40.36 | Lukian | themill, libasound2 (I believe I also need lib32asound2 alsa-base and alsa-utils) |
| 18:40.54 | phorce1 | the animation looks like a freakin static image. |
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| 18:42.19 | Lukian | themill, hmm, the package isn't listed there :o |
| 18:42.26 | themill | Lukian: libasound2 is in everything from sarge to sid. What do you mean by removed? |
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| 18:42.50 | Lukian | themill, .16 got pushed to testing, so I can't find the old "testing" build, which was .15 |
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| 18:45.07 | themill | Lukian: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/12/12/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ |
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| 18:45.27 | Lukian | themill, ty :) |
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| 18:45.54 | karrotx | where do i put virtual interfaces? /etc/networks/interfaces? |
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| 18:46.01 | karrotx | and instead use, iface eth0:1? |
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| 18:46.44 | taurus86 | hi, i installed a bunch of updates lately on my debian etch - since then my xmms always hangs after playing the first track... do you have any idea how to fix that? |
| 18:47.48 | eeccho | taurus86, try removing ~/.xmms |
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| 18:48.10 | opensrcguru | karrotx: yes |
| 18:48.30 | phorce1 | karrotx: yes. Works very well too. Be sure to change the primary to eth0:0 to avoid confusion. |
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| 18:49.01 | eeccho | eth0:0 is eth0, to avoid ambiguity |
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| 18:49.24 | taurus86 | eeccho: thanks, that worked :) |
| 18:49.31 | xshao | hi everyone, i'm trying to do a netboot of debian, I have my tftp server setup and running w/ http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/netboot.tar.gz in there (i changed the owner to nobody) |
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| 18:50.03 | xshao | i'm going to reboot - and select PXE boot in my bios - but how will it know to get the .tar.gz from my tftp server? |
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| 18:51.13 | eeccho | xshao, actually pxe loader expects the point to boot a kernel from, which can't be a targz, obviously |
| 18:51.35 | xshao | ok, so i guess i'm doing this wrong |
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| 18:51.55 | karrotx | what's the maximum amount of virtual addresses and eth can have? |
| 18:51.55 | xshao | i thought that i put something on the tftp server (i'm guessing now an image) |
| 18:51.57 | karrotx | is it 255? |
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| 18:52.26 | eeccho | karrotx, yup |
| 18:52.46 | karrotx | is that a physical limit or a software limit? |
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| 18:53.04 | eeccho | software, mostly |
| 18:53.17 | karrotx | ok, thanks |
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| 18:53.19 | Pip | Why so many folks ? |
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| 18:53.27 | dhuv | hello all |
| 18:53.31 | b1ackD3ath | hello |
| 18:53.34 | eeccho | Pip, breeding... |
| 18:53.36 | darmi | hello |
| 18:54.01 | phorce1 | eeccho: makes it more obvious to see when reviewing /etc/network/interfaces if all interfaces use the ethx:y annotation |
| 18:54.07 | dhuv | I currently have a Debian Etch box as the router for the internal network, everything seems to be working fine including port forwarding via DNAT |
| 18:54.08 | Pip | Debian rocks |
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| 18:54.39 | dhuv | I recently got 2 inet connections to this box, DSL and Cable together, the DSL is backup and default is Cable |
| 18:55.01 | dhuv | I can ssh to the box using either inet connections |
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| 18:55.26 | dhuv | the problem occurs when I try to use the backup inet with port forwarding |
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| 18:55.44 | ustunozgur | does vmware server work with debian amd64? |
| 18:55.58 | Pip | Is Debian has a live CD ? |
| 18:56.01 | dhuv | the backup inet is not the default route, I expected if something comes in through that connection, it would go out through that ocnnection |
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| 18:56.20 | phorce1 | !livecd |
| 18:56.20 | dpkg | livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 18:56.46 | Pip | may one day ...? |
| 18:57.09 | darmi | time to get food brb |
| 18:57.15 | phorce1 | Pip: check those links for current status |
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| 18:57.32 | dhuv | does anybody know where I can get help on using iptables/dnat for an inet connection that is not the default route? |
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| 18:57.54 | msx4all | lazlow sucks |
| 18:57.56 | b1ackD3ath | nokia 810 anyone? |
| 18:58.01 | eeccho | dhuv, to achieve what? |
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| 18:59.02 | s | Can suspend work with a swapfile, and not a swap partition? |
| 18:59.08 | s | Or must I have a swap partition for it to work? |
| 18:59.34 | msx4all | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.56 | msx4all | this show sucks my ass! |
| 19:01.12 | dhuv | eeccho: have a server with 2 inet connections, if I access an internal server using a forwarded port, the reply comes out through the default route even though the request goes in through the second connection |
| 19:02.20 | dhuv | if I have a web server behind a linux router and port forwarded 80, and using an inet connection that is not the default route, it does not work |
| 19:02.36 | dhuv | because any responses from the web server go out the default route |
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| 19:03.12 | dhuv | the thing that gets me is that I can ssh to the linux router, and it treats those connections properly, if it goes in through 1 connection, it will come out through the same connection |
| 19:03.25 | dhuv | but the forwarded ports are not working that way |
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| 19:03.43 | dhuv | I don't know if it is by design or if I am not doing something I need to do during setup |
| 19:04.31 | eeccho | dhuv, so you're talking about letting outer people to access your web server which is actually serves within your lan? |
| 19:04.40 | msx4all | real dolls! |
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| 19:05.55 | xshao | What if I untar the package, would that give me something like a kernel? |
| 19:06.32 | helo | what the hell?! i just middle-clicked in thunderbird and it changed my cursor to the fuckton-stupid MSIE scroll up/down mode |
| 19:06.39 | helo | get bill gates in here! |
| 19:06.43 | msx4all | coq o vin |
| 19:08.19 | opensrcguru | dhuv: #iptables is a good resource...but i don't think its an iptables issue. try flushing your rules to test just to verify that though. |
| 19:08.48 | msx4all | try anal! |
| 19:08.56 | opensrcguru | dhuv: you may want to install iproute2 and specify a static route on the box and make certain it points to the interface you wish the traffic to exit on. |
| 19:09.04 | xshao | and the question again, how does the PXE boot in my bios know where to find the image? |
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| 19:09.13 | eeccho | msx4all, so you did like it? ) |
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| 19:10.10 | opensrcguru | dhuv: after all, the default is just that...the default route ;) |
| 19:10.22 | msx4all | I'm Richard Gobin! |
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| 19:11.03 | eeccho | xshao, pxe is a way of your bios asks the network card to give it a chance by configuring itself via dhcp, downloading kernel via tftp |
| 19:11.30 | msx4all | Get a cock |
| 19:11.51 | dogaann | you fukin bich dont swear |
| 19:12.03 | xshao | Ok, thanks. So it will find the DHCP server on the network, I guess. |
| 19:12.07 | eeccho | msx4all, buy windows ) and you're at the wrong channel |
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| 19:12.12 | opensrcguru | a chicken? |
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| 19:12.19 | opensrcguru | no thanks |
| 19:12.26 | azeem | msx4all: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 19:12.26 | eeccho | xshao, if dhcp server is running, then yes |
| 19:12.35 | azeem | msx4all: please try to be more signal and less noise in the future |
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| 19:12.47 | eeccho | azeem, thanks |
| 19:12.56 | azeem | dogaann: do you have a Debian question? |
| 19:13.46 | Mojo | im having a problem with avant-window-navigator |
| 19:13.53 | Mojo | it says failed to connect to session bus? |
| 19:14.02 | Mojo | debian etch |
| 19:14.14 | xshao | eeccho, dhcp is running. as you said, the kernel can't be a tarz, how about if I un-tar it? |
| 19:14.38 | opensrcguru | has anyone got any basline numbers (in terms of percentages) of perfomance decrease after using cryptofs on top of LVM? |
| 19:14.39 | eeccho | xshao, with what? pxe loader? ) |
| 19:14.58 | xshao | eccho, yes, with pxc loader |
| 19:15.31 | eeccho | xshao, then i'm going to disappoint you, since it knows nothing about untarring and ungzipping |
| 19:16.22 | dhuv | opensrcguru: thanks |
| 19:16.25 | dhuv | I will check it out |
| 19:16.31 | Pip | Why Discs of Debian is the most expensive ? |
| 19:16.38 | xshao | eccho, I meant un-tar the netboot.tar.z on the tftp directory |
| 19:16.52 | azeem | Pip: Debian is free software and does not sell CDs |
| 19:16.53 | opensrcguru | Pip: cost is proportional to quality |
| 19:16.57 | opensrcguru | ;-) |
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| 19:17.44 | Pip | opensrcguru, I like this declaration : D |
| 19:18.02 | Pip | So I'd like to pay for it |
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| 19:18.08 | opensrcguru | ha |
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| 19:20.54 | Pip | opensrcguru, Do I at least need the first three CDs to install Debian ? |
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| 19:22.49 | Mojo | pop:u just need the first one |
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| 19:23.01 | sarge|noob | is it possble to ugrade sarge to etch without changing the kernel? |
| 19:23.26 | opensrcguru | pipeline: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ = $yourfriend |
| 19:23.31 | opensrcguru | oops |
| 19:23.54 | opensrcguru | pipeline: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ = $yourfriend |
| 19:24.07 | ghettokernel | need an honest answer, im trying linux distros and want to know oone thing, i used debian for 1 weel to try another distro, im on ubuntu atm, i liked ubuntu and debian very much, ubuntu is pretty easy but as its based on debian i mont say debian is the father and its very very stable, now some guy told me that mandriva package management was better than debians... so... uh? |
| 19:24.39 | maligor | isn't mandriva rpm |
| 19:24.50 | opensrcguru | if i told u i was god, would you believe me? |
| 19:24.56 | opensrcguru | hehe |
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| 19:25.22 | maligor | it's not like apt/dpkg is perfect tho |
| 19:25.24 | sarge|noob | how can I upgrade from sarge to etch without changing the kernel? |
| 19:25.35 | Deezire | When creating raid using http://howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch-p2, i get one strange error. |
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| 19:26.13 | helo | ghettokernel: debian's package management is arguably the most mature, afaik |
| 19:26.35 | Deezire | How to check if a disk is mounted or not? |
| 19:26.46 | maligor | don't you think slackware package management is even more mature, heh :P |
| 19:26.49 | helo | ghettokernel: chances are you won't ever have a problem related to a limitation of apt/dpkg |
| 19:27.06 | helo | older != more mature ;) |
| 19:27.20 | opensrcguru | ghettokernel: i wouldnt say rpm is better or worse than apt, but i would say you should use what you are comfortable with. |
| 19:27.42 | sarge|noob | Is it possble to ugrade from sarge to etch withut changing the kernel?(I have a special hardware) |
| 19:28.07 | azeem | sarge|noob: sure, but maybe it needs more attention |
| 19:28.13 | azeem | sarge|noob: what kernel are you running? |
| 19:28.33 | opensrcguru | personally i'd leave my girlfriend and go with apt, but apt doesn't put out......if that means anything to you..... |
| 19:28.37 | ghettokernel | helo: opensrcguru i see. thx |
| 19:28.41 | sarge|noob | 2.4.31-xbox |
| 19:29.09 | opensrcguru | and the debian folks are way cooler |
| 19:29.23 | azeem | sarge|noob: etch doesn't officially support 2.4 kernels anymore, but you can get them to run with a couple of tweaks |
| 19:29.37 | azeem | sarge|noob: note that lenny absolutely requires a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:30.01 | sarge|noob | Im not sure if it will work because it's xbox-kernel |
| 19:30.24 | qrck | which drivers can i enable to test a logitech webcam on linux usb port ? |
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| 19:32.03 | Deezire | http://pastebin.com/m2f98f5e7 - why does not /dev/sdb1 give the right error? |
| 19:32.06 | Deezire | Creating raid1 |
| 19:32.20 | sarge|noob | but all stable packages work on xbox(beside of 3D games) |
| 19:32.37 | azeem | sarge|noob: so what is your question? |
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| 19:33.20 | sarge|noob | azeem: is t pssible t upgrade to etch without changng the kernel? |
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| 19:33.29 | azeem | sarge|noob: we answered that already |
| 19:33.47 | sarge|noob | azeem: but will it work on xbox? |
| 19:34.07 | azeem | sarge|noob: xbox is not a supported arch I think, so I don't know |
| 19:34.10 | azeem | it probably will |
| 19:34.22 | azeem | sarge|noob: why do you want to upgrade anyway? |
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| 19:34.50 | sarge|noob | azeem: which hardware is requred to run etch? |
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| 19:35.05 | felix_da_catz | Is it just me or is anyone else having problems apt-get install dovecot-common on Etch? |
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| 19:35.15 | azeem | sarge|noob: eh, that depends on which kernel you run |
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| 19:35.25 | phorce1 | sarge|noob: you're probably going to have to check with whatever site you got the xbox install instructions from |
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| 19:36.37 | sarge|noob | phorce1: I have downladed a live-cd of debian sarge for xbox (with xfree, firefox and some xbx-secfc files) |
| 19:36.52 | azeem | sarge|noob: 20:33 < azeem> sarge|noob: why do you want to upgrade anyway? |
| 19:37.00 | azeem | is it running as server? |
| 19:37.12 | sarge|noob | azeem: want t run wine |
| 19:37.17 | phorce1 | sarge|noob: then check with the people who created it and see if they have created an etch or lenny version |
| 19:37.22 | azeem | and that does not work currently? |
| 19:37.37 | sarge|noob | there are only etch packages |
| 19:37.44 | azeem | for wine? |
| 19:38.02 | sarge|noob | and if run apt-get install wine it aways gets the same error |
| 19:38.20 | azeem | sarge|noob: so why don't you tell us about the error instead of asking unrelated questions about upgrades? |
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| 19:39.42 | sarge|noob | azeem: because there is no hpe to instal wine on sarge because t won't insta wineib |
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| 19:39.53 | azeem | sarge|noob: what? |
| 19:39.56 | azeem | hpe? |
| 19:40.04 | sarge|noob | hope |
| 19:40.09 | azeem | wineib? |
| 19:40.21 | sarge|noob | winelib |
| 19:40.25 | azeem | !info libwine sarge |
| 19:40.30 | abrotman | he's running an xbox with some hacked up version of debian trying to run wine to play windows games ? |
| 19:40.32 | dpkg | libwine: (Windows Emulator (Library)), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050310-1.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 7880 kB, Installed size: 31760 kB |
| 19:40.43 | azeem | sarge|noob: where do you want to install wine from? |
| 19:40.57 | sarge|noob | I try to run wine to use windows apps like notepad++ |
| 19:41.25 | sarge|noob | azeem: from debian server |
| 19:41.33 | azeem | sarge|noob: if you cannot quote error messages, we cannot help you |
| 19:42.13 | sarge|noob | I can try it but first I must install sarge agan and it can take up to 20 minutes |
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| 19:44.05 | azeem | sarge|noob: so why don't you look for an etch install? |
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| 19:44.33 | iMoron | hello! |
| 19:45.10 | felix_da_catz | Ahh. Well it is good to know that when installing dovecot the hostname has to be set properly. |
| 19:46.08 | helo | are there any guidelines that debian-based distros can follow that would permit them to be supported in #debian? |
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| 19:46.59 | arcticpenguin380 | should use bisness card or netinstall cd? |
| 19:47.17 | Anonissimus | netinstall |
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| 19:47.58 | arcticpenguin380 | will that give me an option of what to install like gnome? |
| 19:48.28 | iMoron | Net install will istall gnome |
| 19:48.38 | arcticpenguin380 | just gnome? |
| 19:48.47 | iMoron | once you chose the desktop option |
| 19:48.51 | azeem | !kde install |
| 19:48.55 | azeem | bah |
| 19:48.57 | azeem | !install kde |
| 19:48.57 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 19:49.07 | helo | net install just gets the system to the point where you can install whatever you want from the net, without any specific limitations |
| 19:49.08 | azeem | arcticpenguin380: see the second sentence |
| 19:49.22 | Romano2K | hi everyone! |
| 19:49.45 | Romano2K | i'm having a problem with my iptables script (which should make my server my gateway) since my last upgrade, i guess |
| 19:49.48 | Romano2K | anyone could help? |
| 19:49.50 | sarge|noob | K, I'll try t install sarge on xbox and ater about 20 minutes I'll come back and show the prblem with wine |
| 19:50.19 | iMoron | if you want to install kde and don't want to have to many gnome lib that you will not need you could just install the base system and then install kde and xorg |
| 19:50.36 | helo | it seems like something as complicated as wine would be much better served by #wine... |
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| 19:55.13 | iMoron | hey dpkg, I whish I had known of that "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" |
| 19:56.06 | iMoron | I install the base and then installed the rest... not hard, but that would have been straight foward |
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| 19:58.24 | intx | is there some way to see what driver is being used for my hd besides dmesg? |
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| 19:58.58 | amd | hello is wrt54GS or wrt54GL a better router? |
| 19:59.07 | Justin | amd: L |
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| 19:59.07 | intx | depends what version |
| 19:59.08 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 19:59.29 | abrotman | amd: #wireless |
| 19:59.35 | intx | but L is confirmed to be not a bad one. S, the wrong version, can be. |
| 19:59.38 | SamuraiDio | if i have firefox on /usr/bin and firefox on /usr/local/bin what one will be launched when typing $ firefox? |
| 19:59.47 | amd | intx, SB = speed booster |
| 20:00.01 | intx | yes, but there's different versions of the 54GS |
| 20:00.12 | amd | like what |
| 20:00.17 | intx | like v1, v2, v3, v4.. |
| 20:00.17 | Justin | SamuraiDio: 'which firefox' |
| 20:00.25 | intx | anyway, #wireless :P |
| 20:00.33 | intx | or google! |
| 20:01.26 | amd | intx, is that a hardware or software version |
| 20:01.26 | intx | hardware |
| 20:01.26 | maligor | amd, ask on #openwrt |
| 20:01.26 | SamuraiDio | Justin, i just want know what command will be executed if the same name binary is under /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin |
| 20:01.26 | amd | ok |
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| 20:01.29 | maligor | it's a distro for those devices |
| 20:01.36 | intx | amd: lower is better for the S series |
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| 20:02.05 | Justin | SamuraiDio: and I told you how to find that out |
| 20:02.28 | maligor | intx, you could try lspci -vv | grep driver |
| 20:02.37 | maligor | dunno when they added the used driver to it tho |
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| 20:02.44 | amd | intx, the site that sells the routers doesn't have their versions listed |
| 20:03.03 | slidesinger | I'm reading up on connecting to devices over a serial connection through debian. I keep coming across TTY in my reading. Is TTY as related to serial connections == to TTY as in TTY1? |
| 20:03.08 | abrotman | amd: #wireless .. this is not the channel for wifi router support |
| 20:03.10 | SamuraiDio | Justin, ahh, tnx |
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| 20:04.46 | qrck | is pidgin removed from the archives ?= |
| 20:05.06 | qrck | or is it a lenny package ? |
| 20:05.28 | aterra | Hi I'm trying to connect to a serial device running at 19200 baud, but the problem is that when running screen /dev/ttyUSB0 it defaults to 9600 baud. How do I change the baudrate for screen, I couldn't find anything on the man page and google only showed up with an example for mac osx which didn't work on my machine :( |
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| 20:06.12 | Maulkin | aterra: Personally, I'd use minicom :) |
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| 20:06.24 | Eulex | qrck, pidgin has never been in etch, if that's what you mean |
| 20:06.44 | Eulex | qrck, it was named gaim at that time |
| 20:07.01 | aterra | Maulkin: I tried, never was able to figure out how to put it online, thought it was only made for actual modem connections... |
| 20:07.17 | Maulkin | aterra: you don't need to put it online :) |
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| 20:14.28 | rabby_ | hi |
| 20:14.30 | rabby_ | ./mousy: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./mousy) |
| 20:14.32 | rabby_ | whats missing? |
| 20:14.41 | rabby_ | libc6 is existing; libg++, too |
| 20:15.09 | Eulex | that binary needs libc6 2.4 or newer, as it proudly states. |
| 20:15.19 | Eulex | if you want to run it on etch, you will have to recompile it. |
| 20:15.33 | rabby_ | is apt-get install libc6 not enough?? |
| 20:15.50 | Eulex | rabby_, etch has libc6 2.3.6. |
| 20:16.12 | doudou | hi, i have installed debian, with iceweasel, i see traffic from iceweasel with google even when i ask nothing, i dont understand why, i dont understand why is this made by default |
| 20:16.19 | rabby_ | Eulex: how to update? |
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| 20:16.25 | Eulex | rabby_, you don't. |
| 20:16.42 | doudou | more, traffic is encrypted !!! |
| 20:16.55 | Eulex | rabby_, you recompile the application in question, alternatively find a binary that just needs 2.3 or older |
| 20:17.04 | limbeaux | what is the gnome install apt-get install ???? |
| 20:17.14 | doudou | how i get rid of such behavior? |
| 20:17.24 | aterra | Maulkin: great screen works, thanks :) |
| 20:17.30 | doudou | as you know google is evil now |
| 20:17.42 | jelly-home | !tell limbeaux -abut install gnome |
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| 20:17.52 | jelly-home | !tell limbeaux -about install gnome |
| 20:18.05 | Eulex | rabby_, libc6 is a key component of your system, updating it is dangerous and will expose bugs in applications that were not made for use with newer versions of libc6. |
| 20:18.08 | doudou | so i find very disgusting sawing google discussing with my computer without my approval |
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| 20:18.37 | wols | "sawing google discussing with my computer" ? |
| 20:18.50 | Eulex | doudou, I assume you have a page from google open in your browser? |
| 20:18.58 | rabby_ | Eulex, sorry, i do not really understand what i have to do now :/ |
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| 20:19.13 | wols | rabby_: you have to recompile mousy |
| 20:19.25 | Eulex | rabby_, two options: (1) recompile the application (2) find another binary which only requires 2.3 or older |
| 20:19.43 | doudou | eulex, no i have not |
| 20:19.48 | rabby_ | Eulex, ok, sorry, thought i have to play with libc and apt-get... |
| 20:19.51 | alturiak | doudou: check the security option, there's an option about asking google about visited sites if they are possibly dangerous |
| 20:19.53 | rabby_ | now i understand :) thx |
| 20:20.06 | Eulex | rabby_, no, you should not, and if you did, you'd probably break your system |
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| 20:20.19 | Eulex | doudou, do you have some google plugin for your browser installed? |
| 20:20.30 | rabby_ | yes, understood. i recompile the source of mousy |
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| 20:21.20 | inv_arp | what to install latest python 2.5.2 on etch.. is it not recommended to install directly? |
| 20:21.29 | inv_arp | s/what/want/ |
| 20:21.39 | doudou | eulex, no fresh new debian, i suppressed with about:config all link to google |
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| 20:22.32 | doudou | alturiak, i found the security option but it is not with google help |
| 20:22.34 | alturiak | I *think*, firefox is always checking google as you type in URLs |
| 20:23.03 | wols | yes it is. to check if the site is a phishing site for example |
| 20:23.07 | alturiak | we had a serious issue last week when google was not reachable from germany - all firefox browsers kind of stopped working because they couldn't resolve google.com |
| 20:23.13 | doudou | alturiak, i found the security option i must remove completly this option? |
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| 20:23.23 | qrck | thank you very much Eulex |
| 20:23.46 | alturiak | doudou: no, it's not that then, it's probably what wols just said :-) |
| 20:24.15 | alturiak | even if the security option is not enabled... might be adressing something different, I don't know |
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| 20:24.22 | doudou | i must note precisely what traffic |
| 20:24.31 | doudou | i come latter |
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| 20:24.46 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 20:24.50 | Ace2016 | is there a special nvidia bigmem kernel? |
| 20:25.03 | Ace2016 | is there a special nvidia bigmem kernel module*? |
| 20:25.17 | Ace2016 | you know a package with the nvidia driver in the repos |
| 20:25.28 | wols | Ace2016: no |
| 20:25.30 | rabby_ | which package has X11 lib and /usr/X11R6/lib inside? |
| 20:25.42 | Ace2016 | ty |
| 20:25.45 | wols | !tell rabby_ about search |
| 20:25.53 | wols | and when you compile you don't need the library |
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| 20:26.25 | ghettokernel | does anyone here managed to make succesful modelines? gtf is very inaccurate and the online modelines tools dont work for me. |
| 20:26.34 | rabby_ | wols: sure, i do not need it? g++ -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 mousy.cc -o mousy |
| 20:26.41 | wols | !modeline |
| 20:26.41 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
| 20:26.54 | wols | rabby_: you have X already installed? |
| 20:26.59 | rabby_ | ys |
| 20:27.00 | rabby_ | yes |
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| 20:27.17 | wols | then why do you want to know the packagename? |
| 20:27.44 | Ace2016 | What do i do if m-a a-i ndiswrapper fails? and i still want to use wifi, my wifi card: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 |
| 20:27.53 | jelly-home | wols: uh, because he needs X headers to build stuff? |
| 20:28.02 | wols | jelly-home: xheaders are not libs |
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| 20:28.11 | rabby_ | wols, because g++ -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 mousy.cc -o mousy tells me mistakes like: X11/Xlib.h missing and so on |
| 20:28.24 | wols | rabby_: read what I told jelly-home |
| 20:28.28 | wols | !tell rabby_ about search |
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| 20:28.57 | Ace2016 | How do i copy the output from the program that grabs the console window when you run m-a a-i? |
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| 20:29.35 | sarge|noob | azeem: http://pastebin.org/23525 |
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| 20:30.03 | doudou | I found problem with google and iceweasel it was phtising option i removed in about:config, traffic was GET /safebrowsing/update?client=navclient-auto-f |
| 20:30.13 | wols | !tell sarge|noob about bat |
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| 20:30.44 | doudou | i find disgusting that such option are choosen without explaining people and letting them choose |
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| 20:30.56 | rabby_ | libx11-dev :) |
| 20:31.32 | doudou | you must admit that google records all sites you visit, for 5 years ? probably more as nobody can check |
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| 20:32.10 | mentor | doudou: Is this Debian related? |
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| 20:32.37 | limbeaux | ok, so i am ot ready for kde4 is there a way to apt-get kde3 but i don't want to end up with 2 amaroks and such |
| 20:32.39 | Ace2016 | wols: does ndiswrapper come prebuilt when i install a kernel from a repo? |
| 20:32.46 | doudou | mentor, yes, explain me why debian choose to ship iceweasel with such configuration, it is not a mistake i suppose |
| 20:32.49 | limbeaux | and still leave kde4 |
| 20:32.54 | wols | Ace2016: search for yourself |
| 20:33.01 | Ace2016 | how? |
| 20:33.10 | wols | !tell Ace2016 about search |
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| 20:33.33 | mentor | doudou: No idea. I imagine the most constructive thing to do would be to file a bug, if oyu believe it to be one. |
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| 20:33.36 | sarge|noob | http://pastebin.org/23525 is it nrmal_ |
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| 20:34.11 | _ZeuZ_ | sarge|noob: you-re trying to install the lates version? |
| 20:34.12 | mentor | ompaul: I'm not seeing any onjoin spam... |
| 20:34.21 | wols | mentor: me neither |
| 20:34.29 | Eulex | sarge|noob, just looking at you're nick... you're not trying to mix etch and sarge are you? |
| 20:34.34 | doudou | mentor, no i cant find it as a bug, but as a deliberate choice, problem is people cant figure out that debian can make this kind of choices |
| 20:34.53 | Eulex | sarge|noob, what does apt-get install libwine output? |
| 20:35.01 | wols | !info libwine etch |
| 20:35.08 | dpkg | libwine: (Windows API Implementation (Library)), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.9.25-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 7200 kB, Installed size: 32292 kB |
| 20:35.12 | doudou | mentor, problem is that this kind of choice can easily be made with products you pay, but not free |
| 20:35.14 | mentor | doudou: I'm sorry, I'm having a really hard time trying to understand that sentence. |
| 20:35.33 | ompaul | mentor, well I got it and here and rh are the only two places - they are avoiding the ops of the channels shall we take this to pm? |
| 20:35.39 | wols | mentor: the anti phishing feature queries google for every URL |
| 20:35.52 | doudou | mentor, is suppose your default choices are not to try very hard |
| 20:36.09 | wols | mentor: he doesn't like this iceweasel behaviour |
| 20:36.44 | doudou | mentor, consider that human share mainly same logic and that cheating is hurting logic |
| 20:36.58 | mentor | doudou: OK. If you believe this is a problem for a default configuration, you should file a bug. Unfortunately, we are not able and it is not constructive to speculate on this issue here. |
| 20:37.02 | wols | !confuse doudou |
| 20:37.02 | dpkg | No, how was your badger today, doudou? pants of the monarchy of swaziland with extra ham |
| 20:37.23 | mentor | doudou: Now, I would request that you cease talking about this topic... |
| 20:37.54 | ghettokernel | isdoes dpkg have a line for everything ? :) |
| 20:37.58 | doudou | i have a simple question now, did google paid or equivalent to have this option checked by default? |
| 20:38.04 | _ZeuZ_ | How can I replace the simbolic link so that whenever I type firefox, the firefox 3 beta 4 that I compiled is used instead of iceweasel?? |
| 20:38.06 | mentor | doudou: Last warning. |
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| 20:38.31 | doudou | maybe some people are working for google and have some influence ? |
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| 20:38.50 | bolt | google, the new kgb |
| 20:38.56 | _ZeuZ_ | lol |
| 20:39.10 | doudou | mentor, excuse me? i feel that your answers are as dirty as the practice i described |
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| 20:39.25 | limbeaux | how do i fix this? libgs8 (= 8.61.dfsg.1-1.1) but 8.62.dfsg.1-2 is to be installed |
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| 20:39.47 | mentor | limbeaux: Don't try to install -2 |
| 20:39.52 | wols | doudou: fyi ALL firefox versions since 2.0 or so do they by default |
| 20:40.01 | themill | doudou: this is not a question for #debian. mentor told you -- either report a bug of discuss it directly with the iceweasel maintainers. |
| 20:40.09 | limbeaux | what does that mean |
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| 20:40.12 | wols | *this |
| 20:40.20 | wols | !tell limbeaux about bat |
| 20:41.08 | ompaul | mentor, ^^ ahh wel |
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| 20:41.27 | mentor | limbeaux: A package is attempting to be upgraded, but the answer is to not try to upgrade the new package. |
| 20:41.33 | sarge|noob | output f libwine: http://pastebin.org/23526 |
| 20:41.45 | mentor | Right, now to deal with this onjoin spam... oh well. |
| 20:41.59 | wols | sarge|noob: do what the message says |
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| 20:42.14 | limbeaux | apt-get install -t experimental libokularcore1 |
| 20:42.14 | limbeaux | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:42.14 | limbeaux | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.18 | mentor | Don't do that. |
| 20:42.30 | jslusher | can anyone help me with a debootstrap error? |
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| 20:42.32 | limbeaux | wow didnt know it would enter on its own |
| 20:42.42 | s | What happened to the checkinstall package? |
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| 20:43.03 | jslusher | http://rafb.net/p/dOLfhD76.html |
| 20:43.29 | jslusher | I'm running gentoo and trying to run debian in a chrooted environment so that I can install Zimbra. |
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| 20:43.56 | craigevil | s: checkinstall went bye bye, it does nasty things like cause filesystem corruption |
| 20:44.04 | s | Oh yikes. |
| 20:44.09 | s | Is there anything useful in its place? |
| 20:44.11 | s | Just stow? |
| 20:44.19 | jelly-home | jslusher: hm, it didn't figure out the architecture. |
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| 20:44.34 | fordboy0 | Filesystem corruption? |
| 20:44.35 | s | Well, actually. I'd prefer to just make debian packages, really. |
| 20:44.57 | jslusher | jelly-home: here's the command I sent: debootstrap sarge /zimbra http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 20:44.58 | sarge|noob | new output: http://pastebin.org/23528 |
| 20:45.10 | jslusher | jelly-home: is there anything wrong with that? |
| 20:45.34 | limbeaux | so iss there anyway to tell apt to install the version that i need? |
| 20:45.43 | jelly-home | jslusher: you need to specify --arch= if there's n dpkg installed |
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| 20:46.08 | jslusher | jelly-home: how would I do that? I'm a little green. |
| 20:46.44 | sarge|noob | is there a waz to get wine? |
| 20:47.13 | jelly-home | jslusher: add eg. --arch=i386 to the command line in the appropriate place. run "debootstrap --help | less" to get at least some help |
| 20:47.18 | amphi | sarge|noob: wine is a PITA - are you sure you need it? ;) |
| 20:47.22 | wols | sarge|noob: the pasting you did tells you what to do |
| 20:47.52 | sarge|noob | wols> http://pastebin.org/23528 it tells onlz broen package |
| 20:48.33 | wols | sarge|noob: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:48.40 | rabby_ | how to cut a partition within a running system? |
| 20:48.42 | jelly-home | jslusher: substitute i386 with amd64, sparc, powerpc, or whatever your actual architecture is ;-) |
| 20:49.19 | wols | rabby_: gparted. partition must not be mounted so if you want to resize root you can't boot from that installation |
| 20:49.27 | jslusher | jelly-home: I think that did the trick. |
| 20:50.02 | jslusher | jelly-home: it's retrieving and validating lots of things. |
| 20:50.19 | jslusher | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 20:50.23 | rabby_ | wols, that's no good idea. it is a vserver. and i think, it is the root partition, i want to cut a peace off to make it my swap partition: http://nopaste.info/0937c8d853.html |
| 20:50.26 | jelly-home | jslusher: yeah, that's normal |
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| 20:50.50 | wols | if rabby_ not possible. use a swapfile |
| 20:50.58 | wols | tho I'm not sure if you even can |
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| 20:51.14 | rabby_ | wols, sounds interesting, let me read a bit about it. cu in some minutes ;-) |
| 20:51.15 | wols | rabby_: vserver uses a single kernel image for all |
| 20:51.40 | sarge|noob | wols: http://pastebin.org/23529 |
| 20:52.41 | wols | sarge|noob: and what kernel version and libc6 version? btw: non-us is long obsolete. how did you upgrade from sarge? |
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| 20:54.15 | sarge|noob | wols: kernel is 2.4.31-xbox |
| 20:54.25 | wols | sarge|noob: that is not debian |
| 20:54.32 | wols | !xebian |
| 20:54.33 | dpkg | http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian - ML http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists, or http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xebian_HOWTO#Xebian_versus_a_standard_Debian_installation |
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| 20:54.55 | Miesco | When I run aptitude it does not work, it just puts the cursor to the top right of the console and just does nothing. How can I debug this? |
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| 20:55.04 | DexTerDDIT | clear |
| 20:55.32 | DexTerDDIT | ups sry irssi first time use :P |
| 20:55.47 | jelly-home | ctrl-l is shorter! |
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| 20:56.02 | DexTerDDIT | jelly-home: rly ?:D |
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| 20:56.42 | sarge|noob | wols: why isnt it debian? just because of kernel? |
| 20:56.52 | rabby_ | what's going on here? i am root! swapon: /tmp/swapfile: Operation not permitted |
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| 20:57.18 | s | Because you're probably doing it on tmpfs? =) |
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| 20:57.24 | wols | sarge|noob: they changed more than that. but there is no xbox support from debian, hence it is no debian |
| 20:57.27 | s | But then again, maybe that's not it. |
| 20:57.47 | wols | rabby_: have you created a file on a physical hdd? |
| 20:58.04 | rabby_ | s: though, /tmp is physically existing, too... |
| 20:58.24 | wols | rabby_: no |
| 20:58.32 | wols | it's tmpfs in your memory |
| 20:58.36 | petemc | rabby_: did you run mkswap? |
| 20:58.47 | rabby_ | and /root/swapfile does not want, too |
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| 20:58.53 | wols | or it might be mounted differently |
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| 20:59.00 | rabby_ | petemc: for a file (nor a swap partition) |
| 20:59.03 | wols | or you can't do it since it's a vserver as I told you already |
| 20:59.14 | petemc | rabby_: right, did you run mkswap? |
| 20:59.16 | wols | rabby_: you cannot create swap in a vserver |
| 20:59.28 | wols | wouldnÄt make sense |
| 20:59.33 | sarge|noob | wols: but the lnk zou gave sazs its all the same just different installation |
| 20:59.42 | wols | sarge|noob: they lie |
| 20:59.51 | wols | sarge|noob: we do not support it |
| 21:01.16 | rabby_ | that's bad... need a way to enlarge my ram... |
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| 21:01.48 | amee2k | i want to have some iptables commands run to configure a firewall. where would i normally put them? |
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| 21:11.07 | Haris | Hello people, folks, guys/gals, everyone |
| 21:11.14 | fiendishfish | Hey. |
| 21:11.24 | fiendishfish | Does debian come with any smtp and pop3 servers by default? |
| 21:11.25 | Haris | Can we check pmtu under /proc? |
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| 21:11.41 | Haris | smtp yes, I think yo uneed to install pop |
| 21:11.48 | fiendishfish | Haris, what's the smtp server? |
| 21:11.53 | Haris | exim |
| 21:12.07 | Haris | www.exim.org |
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| 21:12.51 | fiendishfish | Haris, would it be easy to set up my domain with that? |
| 21:12.55 | fiendishfish | Just make a subdomain etc right? |
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| 21:14.08 | Haris | exim is configurable to the last bit. It depends on how much you know about stuff you are diving in |
| 21:14.12 | micols | use GNU zip or tar for irc logfiles? |
| 21:14.29 | micols | which one has the best algorithm |
| 21:14.32 | Haris | I'd use tar with bzip in place of zip |
| 21:14.47 | Haris | 7zip imho is the most effective zipper |
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| 21:14.56 | Haris | bzip after that |
| 21:14.59 | micols | yeah, it compresses them 70%, very impressive :) |
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| 21:16.03 | micols | 980MB logfiles were compressed to 230MB |
| 21:16.07 | Eulex | micols, gzip for speed, bzip2 for a little better compression ratio but much slower compression |
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| 21:16.26 | micols | okay, i need best compression.. i want to backup other things too |
| 21:16.29 | HockeyInJune | What can I use to monitor internals for my laptop, such as temperatures, fan speeds, power usage, battery usage and life? I would prefer a console app but anything is fine |
| 21:16.46 | Miesco | WHen WIll gnome 2.22 be in Lenny? |
| 21:16.51 | micols | i got a 0% used 3ghz cpu, so speed isnt an issue yet - its only for my irssi,mail etc :) |
| 21:16.56 | abrotman | Miesco: it was just released today? |
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| 21:17.14 | themill | !wir |
| 21:17.14 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 21:17.15 | Miesco | abrotman: I dont know what that means |
| 21:17.34 | abrotman | Miesco: it means you have to be patient |
| 21:18.05 | Miesco | abrotman: Okay, just wondering how long this kind of thing usually takes |
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| 21:18.16 | abrotman | Miesco: three years |
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| 21:18.34 | themill | !siyh |
| 21:18.34 | dpkg | siyh is probably Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 21:18.51 | abrotman | Miesco: no one has any idea .. it's dependent on so many variables |
| 21:19.02 | Miesco | abrotman: Really takes 3 years? |
| 21:19.08 | themill | Miesco: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.22-status.html |
| 21:19.10 | abrotman | IIRC .. not all of 2.20 is in lenny yet |
| 21:19.15 | cafuego | Miesco: Traditionally, yes. |
| 21:19.18 | abrotman | Miesco: no .. but no one knows .. just be patient |
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| 21:22.47 | Miesco | abrotman: Is it in sid yet? |
| 21:22.58 | abrotman | Miesco: jesus go to packages.debian.org and look |
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| 21:23.04 | Miesco | abrotman: k |
| 21:23.05 | cafuego | Has it been out for more than 2 days yet? |
| 21:23.16 | abrotman | !why is Miesco's every dream not in testing |
| 21:23.16 | dpkg | Miesco's every dream is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=Miesco's every dream |
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| 21:24.40 | Miesco | abrotman: What about KDE 4, when will it be in lenny? |
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| 21:25.02 | themill | !tell Miesco about kde4 |
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| 21:25.11 | jelly-home | cafuego: how can you watch with a hammer? |
| 21:25.21 | cafuego | Miesco: How about you ask the package maintainer and not a random person on irc? |
| 21:25.29 | themill | or ask google |
| 21:26.11 | Miesco | I just want a gerneral IDEA |
| 21:26.23 | cafuego | And if we knew we'd tell you. |
| 21:26.34 | cafuego | That fact we didn't should be enough of a hint, don't you think? |
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| 21:27.48 | Miesco | yes |
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| 21:28.33 | cafuego | The only thing we can say for sure is that neither will ever be in Etch. |
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| 21:28.54 | cafuego | and "Vote for aj!" |
| 21:29.07 | SexyKen | Can you force a disk unmount? |
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| 21:31.00 | cafuego | SexyKen: umount -f not doing anything? |
| 21:31.14 | johndoevodka | can you guys recommend me a good torrent program for debian? id like to use utorrent but its unavailable |
| 21:31.18 | SexyKen | Nope |
| 21:31.22 | SexyKen | umount -l turned out towork |
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| 21:32.13 | cafuego | johndoevodka: I find rtorrent the most useful. |
| 21:32.24 | johndoevodka | thanks |
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| 21:36.41 | ArthurArchnix | Hi... I'm making a bootable usb stick for Lenny, and it says to get vmlinux, initrd.gz, and syslinux.cfg from the "Debian Archives"... I was just going to find those files on the Lenny install disc I downloaded (disk 1 i386). Is that right? |
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| 21:38.02 | lurch | anyone got any walkthroughs on setting up squirrel mail with multiple domain names, using sendmial? |
| 21:38.15 | Haris | Can we check pmtu under /proc? |
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| 21:41.24 | ShiftOnYou | how can i set .htaccess on my phpmyadmin directory on debian? |
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| 21:42.19 | cafuego | Edit the .htaccess file in /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
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| 21:43.29 | ShiftOnYou | wtf? why in /usr/share?!? i tought its in /var/www? |
| 21:43.39 | cafuego | ShiftOnYou: It's not. |
| 21:44.06 | ShiftOnYou | ok, i did... still no htacces promt |
| 21:44.12 | ShiftOnYou | *prompt |
| 21:44.24 | cafuego | why would it prompt? |
| 21:44.33 | Haris | ShiftOnYou: read about it |
| 21:44.36 | abrotman | Miesco: are you serious? |
| 21:44.38 | Haris | ShiftOnYou: #apache |
| 21:44.43 | ShiftOnYou | <-- bad english ^^ |
| 21:45.02 | ShiftOnYou | Haris thx |
| 21:45.16 | Haris | ShiftOnYou: apache's manual has an article on .htacces |
| 21:45.17 | Haris | s |
| 21:45.25 | Haris | article=section |
| 21:45.56 | ShiftOnYou | i know how htaccess works, but it doesnt work on debian with the phpmyadmin folder! |
| 21:47.10 | chop1 | ShiftOnYou: IIRC phpmyadmin uses the HTTP password as the database password |
| 21:47.34 | cafuego | chop1: maybe, depends on how you configure it. |
| 21:47.47 | ShiftOnYou | its not the problem that i cant login ... its the problem that htaccess doesnt work... |
| 21:47.48 | Maulkin | !wayttd ShiftOnYou |
| 21:47.48 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ShiftOnYou? |
| 21:48.36 | ShiftOnYou | i want to set htaccess on my phpmyadmin directory |
| 21:48.50 | ShiftOnYou | i did it, how its described... but nothing :( |
| 21:49.02 | cafuego | ShiftOnYou: That statement makes not sense. htaccess isa config file. What do you want the config file to do? |
| 21:49.02 | ktwilight_ | what are you expecting? and how did you do it? |
| 21:49.35 | cafuego | ShiftOnYou: Do you want to be prompted for a username and password before access to phpmyadmin is granted? |
| 21:49.38 | ShiftOnYou | ok ... i want that i get asked about a username and password |
| 21:49.44 | ShiftOnYou | right! |
| 21:50.06 | cafuego | Any reason you don't use the built-in support for that? |
| 21:50.29 | ShiftOnYou | which one? |
| 21:50.35 | cafuego | in phpmyadmin |
| 21:50.38 | ShiftOnYou | set from cookie to http? |
| 21:50.42 | cafuego | yah |
| 21:50.45 | ShiftOnYou | doesnt work! |
| 21:50.52 | ShiftOnYou | thats why i am here ^^ |
| 21:50.55 | cafuego | !doesn't work |
| 21:50.55 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:50.57 | Maulkin | ShiftOnYou: why not leave it as cookie? |
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| 21:51.47 | ShiftOnYou | Maulkin: i want both |
| 21:52.12 | Maulkin | ShiftOnYou: Erm... why? :) |
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| 21:52.21 | ShiftOnYou | because ^^ |
| 21:52.25 | Maulkin | There or |
| 21:52.29 | Maulkin | bah |
| 21:52.39 | Maulkin | There really isn't much point, it won't add any more security. |
| 21:52.47 | cafuego | ShiftOnYou: So what changes have you made to the htaccess file? |
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| 21:53.27 | mick_work | does anyone have experience with netbooting? this is driving me mad :-/ the DHCP server isn't handing me an ip for whatever reason |
| 21:53.50 | stiv2k | is there a certain file size limit to .tar.gz archives?????????? |
| 21:53.54 | Maulkin | mick_work: What sort of netbooting are you trying? |
| 21:54.01 | Maulkin | ShiftOnYou: what file system are you on? |
| 21:54.06 | Maulkin | erm... stiv2k ^^ |
| 21:54.06 | ShiftOnYou | ext3 |
| 21:54.13 | cafuego | stiv2k: Yes. Depends on the filesystem they sit on. Could be between 2GB and 4TB |
| 21:54.15 | stiv2k | Maulkin: mixed |
| 21:54.30 | stiv2k | i tried to make a backup of a lot of files and i put them all into a .tar.gz |
| 21:54.31 | Maulkin | stiv2k: there isn't a limit per se... depends on the fs. |
| 21:54.37 | stiv2k | i think it was >3 GB |
| 21:54.45 | stiv2k | and mid-way through it said it couldnt finish because it exceeded some file size limit |
| 21:54.52 | cafuego | stiv2k: Which debian version? |
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| 21:54.56 | Maulkin | It *could* be an issue... |
| 21:55.04 | stiv2k | i was storing the archive on a external disk which is FAT32 i believe |
| 21:55.09 | stiv2k | cafuego: i was doing it from a ubuntu LiveCD |
| 21:55.15 | cafuego | stiv2k: Yah, FAT32 is limited to 2GB. |
| 21:55.20 | stiv2k | cafuego: bummer |
| 21:55.27 | mick_work | well, i have an image on my tftp server, my bios is set to boot from Net (it looks for a DHCP offer -- then dies) -- the other machines on the network get a dhcp (non-PXE boo though) -- just fine |
| 21:55.30 | stiv2k | cafuego: what about .zip? |
| 21:55.32 | cafuego | Well, that's why we don't use it. |
| 21:55.39 | cafuego | stiv2k: FAT32 is limited to 2GB |
| 21:55.45 | stiv2k | oh okay so its the filesystem |
| 21:55.47 | stiv2k | not the archive type |
| 21:55.49 | stiv2k | gotcha |
| 21:55.51 | cafuego | stiv2k: The file extension really doesn;'t make any difference. |
| 21:56.09 | cafuego | Though you could split the archive at the 2GB mark |
| 21:56.14 | stiv2k | well the archive is 3GB now |
| 21:56.21 | stiv2k | but i havent opened to see if its integrid or not |
| 21:56.27 | Maulkin | mick_work: hrm. What do you mean by dies? :) |
| 21:56.29 | stiv2k | but ubuntu reports it as 3 GB in size |
| 21:56.35 | Maulkin | mick_work: does it get a DHCP reply? |
| 21:56.42 | cafuego | If tar errored, it won't be. not all the way through |
| 21:56.52 | stiv2k | ehh |
| 21:56.53 | avtobiff | M4Sh, jo det gör det väl |
| 21:56.56 | avtobiff | crap sry |
| 21:56.57 | Maulkin | Can you run tcpdump or similar and check? |
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| 21:57.04 | mick_work | the dhcp server is my router (dd-wrt) -- the client looks for a DHCP lease - but never gets one, so it boots normally |
| 21:57.10 | mick_work | Maulkin: ^^ :) |
| 21:57.38 | Maulkin | mick_work: I'd try (on another box) running a sniffer to see what's happening. |
| 21:57.49 | Maulkin | See if the router gets the request. |
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| 21:58.06 | Maulkin | mick_work: silly question, but does the network card have a link light? |
| 21:58.23 | mick_work | yes - and i'm online just fine when it boots |
| 21:58.47 | mick_work | i'm running wireshark on another box (connected a hub to the router) |
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| 21:59.47 | mick_work | dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0,myservername,192.168.1.55 <--- this is what i set to the extra dhcpd options |
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| 22:00.01 | pipatron | help! Trying to install debian testing here, but when it's trying to get the package list from my local (ftp.se.debian.org) server it fails with a Hash Sum mismatch. |
| 22:00.14 | abrotman | try anotherm irror |
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| 22:00.16 | abrotman | mirror even |
| 22:00.20 | Maulkin | pipatron: try another mirror. |
| 22:00.28 | holyguyver | when I update apt I get this error W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org sid/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:00.49 | Maulkin | holyguyver: apt-get update |
| 22:01.02 | Maulkin | holyguyver: and paste the whole output in a pastebin :) |
| 22:01.11 | holyguyver | that error is what I get when I update apt-get |
| 22:01.18 | danand_ | holyguyver - you need to check the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list :) |
| 22:01.18 | holyguyver | That is the whole output |
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| 22:01.28 | cafuego | Why are you running sid? |
| 22:01.37 | holyguyver | O hi Danand :p |
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| 22:01.48 | holyguyver | Man do I feel silly seeing you here |
| 22:01.52 | pipatron | abrotman, Maulkin: Hey, it worked. Wonder what's up with ftp.se.debian.org then. |
| 22:01.53 | Maulkin | holyguyver: That's *everything* that apt-get says? |
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| 22:02.21 | lunaphyte | is there a program that will output a pretty chart of which scripts are started / killed in which runlevels? |
| 22:02.21 | holyguyver | I am not running sid I am running etch |
| 22:02.22 | FinnTux | is there a .deb package of latest vlc (0.9.0-svn) for etch anywhere? |
| 22:02.30 | danand_ | holyguyver - you shouldn't be asking for help in #ubuntu when your running a debian box! |
| 22:02.53 | danand_ | holyguyver - that can lead to a lot of problems |
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| 22:03.21 | cafuego | holyguyver: /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages <-- Sid apckages. |
| 22:03.23 | rabby__ | what may be wrong with my konqueror which does not show any pictures/css styles etc |
| 22:03.34 | danand_ | holyguyver - as i once had explained to me - solutions on an ubuntu box can kill a debian box and visa versa |
| 22:04.01 | pipatron | "kill" is a strong word :) |
| 22:04.06 | cafuego | holyguyver: If you're on etch, you'd better remove those sid lines from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:04.19 | holyguyver | Alright Cafuego |
| 22:04.31 | danand_ | pipatron - Well.... slightly shag then :) |
| 22:04.48 | cafuego | danand_: 'Interestingly tweak' |
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| 22:05.45 | pipatron | err... s/etch/lenny/ |
| 22:05.53 | mick_work | Maulkin: got it :) -- i needed to put it under DNSMASQ extra options *not* DHCPD |
| 22:06.15 | Maulkin | mick_work: heh :) |
| 22:06.15 | mick_work | you have no idea, i just jumped in my cube when i got the dhcp lease :D |
| 22:06.40 | cafuego | Daddy needs to go and get more espresso. |
| 22:07.44 | holyguyver | Alright thanks Cafuego sid lines have been removed. |
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| 22:08.00 | holyguyver | So Danand are they now making fun of me in the ubuntu room? :p |
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| 22:09.25 | danand_ | holyguyver - Nah... I wondered why you were reluctant to pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list - would have shown you were using Debian - tut tut :D |
| 22:09.43 | Shardar | hi |
| 22:09.48 | holyguyver | Yes you are right that is why I was reluctent :p |
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| 22:10.15 | danand_ | holyguyver - lol ... are you fixed yet |
| 22:10.22 | holyguyver | Yes :p |
| 22:10.34 | danand_ | holyguyver - cool :) |
| 22:10.52 | eistimax64 | anyone knows opengl library debian package for C? |
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| 22:14.12 | shai-hulud | would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses? |
| 22:14.36 | azeem | shai-hulud: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 22:14.55 | Haris | Hello people |
| 22:14.58 | shai-hulud | would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses? |
| 22:15.05 | azeem | shai-hulud: do you have a Debian question? |
| 22:15.09 | shai-hulud | would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses? |
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| 22:15.17 | streuner_ | haha |
| 22:15.20 | azeem | shai-hulud: apparently not |
| 22:15.26 | Haris | I configured cisco pix to log messages to my debian box's syslogd. How can I forward these messages to a seperate file ? -> Mar 12 10:48:57 pix Apr 10 1993 01:15:24: %PIX-5-304001: 192.168.0.36 Accessed URL 206.190.50.59:/p?s=152200576&t=0.8743719640434273&t_e=1 |
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| 22:15.52 | holyguyver | Shai-hulud you a Jim Steinman fan too? :) |
| 22:16.06 | streuner_ | dont feed! |
| 22:16.08 | azeem | holyguyver: please keep it on topic |
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| 22:16.24 | Haris | azeem: I have one unanswered Q :-) |
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| 22:16.25 | Shardar | i'd need help about gcc options to compile a C program on a debian sparc distro |
| 22:16.31 | holyguyver | Well he was posting Steinman lyrics :p |
| 22:16.42 | azeem | Haris: so wait till somebody answers |
| 22:17.05 | azeem | holyguyver: how is that on topic? |
| 22:17.23 | holyguyver | It' isn't that is why he left the room :p |
| 22:17.26 | Shardar | program is very fast on x86, but very slow on sparc (can't find any help and sparc.debian.org isn't working) |
| 22:17.33 | streuner_ | .oO (azeem is in bad mood...) |
| 22:17.52 | azeem | Shardar: that's a strange comparison |
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| 22:18.03 | azeem | I bet it's slow on m68k as well |
| 22:18.22 | holyguyver | I will actually be living in a second as my problems have been answered & fixed, thanks to tall :) |
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| 22:18.40 | holyguyver | all |
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| 22:18.56 | streuner_ | hm |
| 22:19.04 | Shardar | azeem : is it normal it's 3-4 times slower on 1.2ghz ultra sparc 3 cpu ? (real question, i never made that before) |
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| 22:19.17 | Shardar | it's a sunfire 280R server |
| 22:19.19 | pgb | love topic ;) |
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| 22:19.37 | holyguyver | Actually I am back, I have one more question |
| 22:19.46 | azeem | Shardar: compared to what? |
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| 22:20.08 | holyguyver | How do I find a list of codacs that I can install? |
| 22:20.20 | Shardar | some more recent pentium 4 (don't have the precise specs right here) |
| 22:20.23 | streuner_ | there is essential package |
| 22:20.27 | pgb | holyguyver: apt-cache search ? |
| 22:20.39 | streuner_ | holyguyver: marillat |
| 22:20.49 | holyguyver | I am sorry I do not understand |
| 22:20.55 | Shardar | (i mean, my huge mysql db is fast on both machine, i expect that program would be so slow) |
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| 22:21.16 | Shardar | are there some magic options i don't know (i'm not a gcc guru as you can imagine :p) |
| 22:21.57 | holyguyver | What dpes Marillat mean? |
| 22:21.58 | pgb | streuner_: I didn't know about that one, thx |
| 22:22.19 | streuner_ | !marillat |
| 22:22.19 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 22:22.45 | holyguyver | Thank you :) |
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| 22:23.42 | Shardar | http://sparc.debian.org isn't responding :/ |
| 22:23.57 | azeem | Shardar: why do you think anything interesting would be on there? |
| 22:24.25 | Shardar | i'm just wandering about debian sparc, it's the first non x86 machine i have |
| 22:24.37 | Shardar | and I didn't want to keep solaris :) |
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| 22:25.18 | Shardar | it's harder to find stuff comparing to "more standard" arch |
| 22:25.33 | azeem | Shardar: why do you compile yourself? |
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| 22:26.18 | Shardar | because it's a program we made at work |
| 22:26.30 | Shardar | and i'd like to use it at home to save time |
| 22:26.38 | azeem | ok, so first off, get some decent numbers |
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| 22:26.41 | Shardar | (program process log files to insert them in a mysql db) |
| 22:26.54 | Shardar | decent numbers ? |
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| 22:27.25 | azeem | "some more recent pentium 4", "program is very fast on x86, but very slow on sparc" are not decent numbers |
| 22:27.25 | cafuego | Spot of awkage? :-) |
| 22:27.54 | Shardar | cafuego : not at all, the log format is so weirg we had to code something |
| 22:28.10 | Andre3 | Can anyone help with an x Windows error |
| 22:28.20 | Andre3 | erorr 104 |
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| 22:28.29 | azeem | pastebin the whole error message |
| 22:28.30 | azeem | !paste |
| 22:28.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:28.37 | Shardar | azeem : so definetly i can't expect any decent perf on these machine except with databases ? |
| 22:28.46 | azeem | Shardar: eh |
| 22:29.05 | Andre3 | ive installed video drivers and xorg |
| 22:29.10 | azeem | Shardar: I said it makes totally no sense saying "fast" or "slow" if you don't even know on what kind of machine you ran the programs |
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| 22:30.21 | Shardar | allright but difference is really huge, and I didn't change anything to the makefile (i don't know arch specicif compilation options, never had to do this before) |
| 22:30.22 | JakeKonkers | hey, I just installed php using apt-get and noticed it was a an older version that what I wanted... is there a way to configure apt-get to get packages from a repository with more current versions of software? |
| 22:30.46 | azeem | Shardar: so start reading the gcc manual, dunno |
| 22:31.00 | Shardar | ok, thanks azeem |
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| 22:32.14 | cafuego | JakeKonkers: not stable supported ones, no. |
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| 22:32.37 | Shardar | azeem FYI : sunfire280r cpu : cpu : TI UltraSparc III+ (Cheetah+) |
| 22:32.44 | JakeKonkers | cafuego: I want stable ones |
| 22:33.15 | cafuego | JakeKonkers: You could backport php from say Lenny and keep doing that each time a new fix is released. |
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| 22:33.40 | cafuego | or you could use the older version if you only wanted, as opposed to needed. |
| 22:34.52 | phorce1 | I'm looking to build a new debian box. Is there a "motherboard database" out there that will allow one to input desired parameters like number of pci-e slots, number of sata connections etc. and spit out the available boards? |
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| 22:35.17 | JakeKonkers | cafuego: what do you mean backport from lenny? |
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| 22:35.34 | moshisushi | hello i have trouble with the Intel GMA X3100 chipset and the libgl1-mesa-dri package |
| 22:35.36 | smacnay | after running chkrootkit, I see that there are two processes running that are hidden from the ps command, how can I see what these are? |
| 22:35.44 | cafuego | JakeKonkers: Take the source package from Lenny and build it for Etch. |
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| 22:35.54 | smacnay | possible lkm trojan installed...? |
| 22:36.09 | cafuego | smacnay: Rerun chkrootkit |
| 22:36.14 | moshisushi | i get weird glitches.. found a guide that told me the lenny version of that package i broken |
| 22:36.46 | moshisushi | but im a bit new to debian, so i have no idea how to install an older one.. like the one in the etch repo |
| 22:37.03 | JakeKonkers | cafuego: what or who is lenny? |
| 22:37.11 | cafuego | !lenny |
| 22:37.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wir> <rsn> and <siyh>). |
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| 22:37.29 | drakode | hi |
| 22:37.34 | drakode | for cut a file, what comand need? |
| 22:37.35 | lunaphyte | how can i determine my current runlevel? |
| 22:37.47 | azeem | drakode: cut how? |
| 22:37.48 | lunaphyte | e.g. from a shell script... |
| 22:37.51 | cafuego | lunaphyte: It's 2. |
| 22:38.02 | azeem | lunaphyte: /sbin/runlevel |
| 22:38.06 | drakode | image.jpg? |
| 22:38.14 | cafuego | /sbin/runlevel |
| 22:38.24 | lunaphyte | ah! thanks :) |
| 22:38.39 | azeem | drakode: you are looking for an image editor? |
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| 22:39.05 | kantor | hi |
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| 22:40.02 | drakode | azeem, Otherwise, a command to move an image from a directory to another console, which does not function as cp |
| 22:40.11 | kantor | how ca I use the xnest or Xephyr ? because I installed and I started but the login manager is not loading I see only a windows and I have an X for the mouse cursor and that's all :( |
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| 22:40.47 | rabby__ | may i remove /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf ? how to do so correctly? |
| 22:40.56 | azeem | drakode: what do you mean with "function as cp"? |
| 22:41.26 | cafuego | rabby__: uninstall the ttf-dejavu font package |
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| 22:42.06 | rabby__ | i wonder why so much strange fonts appear in memstat and eat all my RAM :/ |
| 22:42.18 | drakode | than no copy a file o image from a directory to another |
| 22:42.25 | drakode | azeem, than no copy a file o image from a directory to another |
| 22:42.43 | drakode | mmm split is for cut? |
| 22:43.33 | cafuego | rabby__: Because they can, is the easy ander. |
| 22:43.35 | cafuego | answer. |
| 22:43.38 | smacnay | cafuego: thanks - nothing this time |
| 22:44.00 | cafuego | smacnay: easy :-0 |
| 22:44.28 | azeem | drakode: sorry, I don't understand |
| 22:44.36 | rabby__ | cafuego: i am not sure if i want to remove ttf-dejavu: http://nopaste.info/51047c2092.html |
| 22:44.44 | cafuego | rabby__: You don't. |
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| 22:45.19 | rabby__ | cafuego: what else do i want? ;-) need to make a diet for my little RAM... |
| 22:45.23 | drakode | azeem, i'm sorry, the comand that i need is mv Dx...that would be thinking.. i'm spain speak jejeje thx for all |
| 22:47.29 | cafuego | rabby__: How much ram do you have? |
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| 22:48.35 | cafuego | rabby__: If Linux uses 100% of ram, that's a _good_ thing. |
| 22:48.39 | rabby__ | cafuego: 250M |
| 22:48.58 | rmichel | anybody know about mysql-proxy and loadbalancing ? |
| 22:49.04 | cafuego | rabby__: That should be OK as long as you don't try to run san a full Gnome or KDE desktop env |
| 22:49.12 | rabby__ | cafuego: the problem is, i can not swap anything because it seems to be impossible to create a swap file on the vps |
| 22:49.13 | cafuego | rmichel: Lots of people on #mysql I reckon :-) |
| 22:49.29 | rmichel | thats an idea |
| 22:49.44 | cafuego | Quick, implement it! |
| 22:49.48 | sigmonsays | Anyone know how to get webazlier to analyze an apache error_log ? |
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| 22:50.10 | cafuego | rabby__: A vps? Why does that have X and KDE installed then? You use it as desktop box? |
| 22:50.37 | cafuego | sigmonsays: Point the webalizer.conf at the correct apache log file and tell it where to output. |
| 22:50.49 | cafuego | The sample cfg is very well documented. |
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| 22:52.22 | sigmonsays | cafuego, hmm. I suppose |
| 22:53.07 | cafuego | Oh error log, sorry... |
| 22:53.15 | rabby__ | cafuego: yes, it is one host, i know, which offers even kde images. i try it in these days with gnome and nx. |
| 22:53.17 | cafuego | sigmonsays: I dunno if it can do the error log... |
| 22:53.29 | cafuego | rabby__: ouch |
| 22:53.54 | rabby__ | cafuego: atm it looks like i have 250M and need about 270M. only a few too few |
| 22:54.06 | cafuego | sigmonsays: I'd probably just run it through awk, sort and uniq. |
| 22:54.10 | petemc | rabby__: did you use mkswap on the swapfile earlier? |
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| 22:54.41 | rabby__ | petemc: no, it says i am not allowed... |
| 22:54.57 | petemc | rabby__: that was when you ran swapon |
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| 22:55.50 | rabby__ | petemc: i may try sth. like: mkswap swapfile 65536 ? |
| 22:55.50 | petemc | rabby__: also, how did you create the file you were trying to use? |
| 22:55.53 | HSorgYves | morning, what are the default permissions/owner/group of /home? |
| 22:56.19 | rabby__ | petemc: mkswap: error: size 65536 is larger than device size 0 |
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| 22:56.28 | cafuego | sigmonsays: grep error var/log/apache2/error.log | cut -d ' ' -f 9- | uniq -c | sort -n |
| 22:56.46 | HSorgYves | . |
| 22:56.50 | petemc | rabby__: you create the file with dd, run mkswap on it, then swapon |
| 22:56.53 | cafuego | rabby__: ls -l swapfile -> what size does it say it is? |
| 22:56.57 | petemc | rabby__: dont just try to guess how to do things |
| 22:57.11 | sigmonsays | cafuego, hmm --- I think I should get better reporting than that but i'll check that command. thx |
| 22:57.37 | cafuego | HSorgYves: root:users 755 |
| 22:57.40 | cafuego | feh |
| 22:57.53 | rabby__ | petemc: sorry, did not see the first line of the howto. |
| 22:58.03 | cafuego | sigmonsays: it'll give you the unique error strings and a frequency count for each |
| 22:58.24 | rabby__ | petemc: now i have: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 67108864 Mar 13 23:57 swapfile |
| 22:58.43 | cafuego | that's 64-odd mb |
| 22:58.53 | cafuego | Now run 'mkswap swapfile' |
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| 22:58.57 | rabby__ | but swapon does not allow it now, too |
| 22:58.57 | HSorgYves | re |
| 22:59.07 | cafuego | HSorgYves: root:users 755 |
| 22:59.17 | HSorgYves | thx cafuego |
| 22:59.30 | cafuego | HSorgYves: I usually set mine to 751 |
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| 22:59.44 | rabby__ | cafuego, i did so. next i try to swapon swapfile and it tells me again: operation not permitted |
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| 23:00.06 | HSorgYves | cafuego: why? to hide usernames? |
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| 23:00.27 | cafuego | HSorgYves: I have accounts that may not be in the 'users' group. |
| 23:00.37 | cafuego | HSorgYves: I don't see why they need access to other's hoemdirs. |
| 23:00.55 | Clutch | Is there fsck for dvd+rw? I have a tar file that is having a problem on disk. |
| 23:00.56 | cafuego | HSorgYves: hiding usernames is useless, getent passwd grabs them anyway. |
| 23:01.03 | Moisteh | I'm attempting to install debian on my PPC machine, using the etch businesscard.iso. However, upon typing 'install', I get a invalid memory access exception, causing a machine lockup. |
| 23:01.06 | HSorgYves | ah ok |
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| 23:01.21 | cafuego | Clutch: No, as it's a read-only filesystem, it cannot be fixed. |
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| 23:01.30 | sigmonsays | cafuego, ahh, forgot a sort :) |
| 23:01.41 | Moisteh | I get prompted with "Release keys to continue!", but cannot type anything in at this point. I have gotten this error on two different discs. |
| 23:02.33 | HSorgYves | cafuego: i have seen it with root:stuff -> drwxrwsr-x on a system lately |
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| 23:03.16 | SexyKen | What's the switch for the "cp" command so that you dont have to say yes to overwrite, and it does it automatically |
| 23:03.44 | themill | SexyKen: man cp |
| 23:03.49 | esteel | -f |
| 23:04.14 | SexyKen | I did -f and I am not using -i - but it still asks |
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| 23:05.03 | SexyKen | And themill: I did "man cp" - do you know for a fact it's in there? I'm sure you've checked, yea? |
| 23:05.46 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: cp will overwrite by default; are you sure you don't have an alias in place? |
| 23:06.06 | SexyKen | dondelelcaro: 100% sure... |
| 23:06.12 | rabby__ | no more ideas for the swap file? |
| 23:06.33 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: well, I just tested, and it works fine for me; what version of coreutils is this? |
| 23:06.49 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: I mean, touch foo bar; cp foo bar; is pretty simple. |
| 23:07.04 | Moisteh | I've got two harddrives in my PPC macine, one has OS X on it, the other is blank (it's my target debian drive), yet for some reason it gets a memory access invalid exception. Any ideas? |
| 23:07.23 | dondelelcaro | Moisteh: what's giving you that message? |
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| 23:07.32 | SexyKen | [root@sql01 testing]# touch foo bar; cp foo bar; |
| 23:07.33 | SexyKen | cp: overwrite `bar'? y |
| 23:07.33 | SexyKen | [root@sql01 testing]# |
| 23:07.36 | SexyKen | Now do you believe me? |
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| 23:07.43 | Moisteh | after I type 'install' on the first welcome screen when booting from disc |
| 23:07.43 | HSorgYves | if something got tared with the --absolute-names flag, can i override it during untar? |
| 23:07.53 | mmc | how to disable stripping (of a library) in a cdbs based package? |
| 23:07.56 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: oh, I've no doubt that you're seeing it. My point is that you've got an alias or something that is doing it. |
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| 23:08.14 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: check what alias; returns, and see what version of cp you're actually using (or if it's a shell builtin or something) |
| 23:08.35 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: which cp; may also be informative, as would be /bin/cp |
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| 23:08.46 | Tramp | SexyKen: what does "type cp" say? |
| 23:08.59 | Clutch | Is there a way to skip a single file when extracting a tar file? |
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| 23:09.07 | sigmonsays | Anyone know of some FREE software that can analyze apache error logs |
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| 23:09.38 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsays: there are a bunch, like webalizer, etc. |
| 23:09.56 | themill | SexyKen: sorry... I thought --force (or -f) prevented the question for cp (as it does for rm). (I'm pretty sure it used to do so). You should check for a screwy version of cp or an alias then. (type -a cp; alias | grep cp; etc) |
| 23:10.03 | sigmonsays | dondelelcaro, I mean "ErrorLog" directive |
| 23:10.10 | sigmonsays | dondelelcaro, Not log format |
| 23:10.38 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsays: what about the directive? It's pretty much free form what can be written there |
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| 23:11.37 | dondelelcaro | apache has its own internal format that it uses for its own messages, but any CGI's STDERR is put there by default too |
| 23:11.54 | Tramp | themill: "-f" helps, if "bar" is owned by somebody else |
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| 23:11.59 | sigmonsays | I didn't nkow the format of ErrorLog can be changed |
| 23:12.19 | sigmonsays | i'm mostly interested in webalizer-style tracking of error_logs |
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| 23:12.34 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsays: the point is that there isn't defined stuff that can be written there |
| 23:12.37 | sigmonsays | I can do it w/ awk and sort but that doesn't let me break it down by host, date, etc.. |
| 23:12.49 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsays: the things that you'd normally check are already put into the access log based on the return code |
| 23:12.52 | themill | Tramp: with rm, -f suppresses -i too but the behaviour is inconsistent with cp where -f evidently doesn't suppress -i. |
| 23:12.58 | Tramp | or, more exactly, not writable by oneself |
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| 23:13.07 | sigmonsays | dondelelcaro, yes, but those are *HUGE* |
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| 23:13.33 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsays: that's why you rotate them and use something like webalizer to see what urls are returning error codes |
| 23:14.10 | themill | sigmonsays: the errorlog contains all manner of rubbish written by different scripts. There is no set format for the errorlog so you can't easily parse it using anything. |
| 23:14.24 | Tramp | themill: well, for cp "-i" and "-f" are somewhat "orthogonal", while with rm they are incompatible, so one has to take precedence |
| 23:15.04 | Tramp | themill: thus for cp it would be a surprise for the user, if -f cancelled out -i |
| 23:15.31 | dondelelcaro | yeah, -f for cp is really about ownership issues and the like |
| 23:15.32 | sigmonsays | themill, there are 404's there |
| 23:15.45 | themill | Tramp: ish... since -i is often stuck in there through an alias, -f (for rm at least) becomes a -no-i. |
| 23:15.50 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsays: the 404s are *also* present in the access log |
| 23:15.54 | Tramp | well, "writeability" (or "openability") |
| 23:15.54 | themill | sigmonsays: they are also in the access log |
| 23:16.18 | dondelelcaro | (and there are some 404s which are not in the error log; I have scripts which return 404 which don't put anything in the error log) |
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| 23:16.31 | sigmonsays | hmm |
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| 23:16.59 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsays: the reason why you'd look at the error log is to figure out why something is returning a certain error code, not general checking up on what things are returning errors |
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| 23:19.10 | sigmonsays | i'm not entirely convinced that scanning *HUGE* access logs for *just* errors is intelligent |
| 23:19.47 | sigmonsays | but whatev, it makes sense that no one makes software for htis |
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| 23:26.29 | sherl0ck | ive build looking building debs. is it nessacary to have a 'configure' file to make a deb? |
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| 23:26.46 | azeem | sherl0ck: no |
| 23:26.52 | moshisushi | anyone knows if there is a fix to the libgl1-mesa-dri problem described here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=470084 |
| 23:28.32 | moshisushi | i think i need to install on older version, like 6.5.1-0.6 instead of 7.0.3~-rc2-1 |
| 23:28.43 | moshisushi | but when i try to add that package i get this message: |
| 23:28.49 | themill | sherl0ck: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 23:28.55 | moshisushi | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgl1-mesa-dri: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx (= 6.5.1-0.6) but 7.0.3~rc2-1 is to be installed |
| 23:29.59 | sherl0ck | themill, i dont understand, whats that mean? |
| 23:30.56 | themill | sherl0ck: it's an irc command "/msg" and "dpkg" is this channel's info bot and that will request that dpkg tell you about the New Maintainer's Guide which will help you build debian packages. |
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| 23:35.58 | Zaerath | I want to move my current Debian server installation to a new box... Is there anything I'll have to do besides making a kernel for the new box? I am moving it from a Pentium 2 with SD PC100 RAM to a box with a Pentium 4 and SD PC133 RAM. |
| 23:36.01 | torrr | can ssh ask require different certificate based on the IP of the loger inner? |
| 23:36.33 | Zaerath | torrr: I don't think so, but what purpose do you want to achieve? |
| 23:36.55 | torrr | I want local network to login differently |
| 23:37.14 | Zaerath | Torrr: But just with a different certificate? Why not a different username? |
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| 23:38.16 | torrr | Zaerath, it would fit an app I am using |
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| 23:38.54 | Zaerath | torrr: Ah, well, doesn't seem like too an unusual request, but I don't really know how you'd go about it, sorry. :/ |
| 23:39.21 | torrr | Zaerath, thanks for trying :) |
| 23:39.23 | themill | torrr: the authorized_keys file can only permit certs to be used from certain IP addresses and impose extra restrictions on what can be done when using them. |
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| 23:40.47 | themill | torrr: e.g. you could have: from="192.168.100.1",no-port-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding,no |
| 23:40.47 | themill | -pty,command="/usr/local/bin/frobinator" ssh-rsa AAAAB3N....... etc |
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| 23:42.19 | torrr | themill, I am googling on your suggestion |
| 23:42.28 | torrr | themill, thanks |
| 23:42.32 | themill | np |
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| 23:47.31 | Elad3 | hello all, someone can tell me how can I delete interface on 'ifconfig'? "ifconfig sit1 down" dosent work.. (ifconfiog -a still show that) |
| 23:48.01 | dondelelcaro | Elad3: depends on the interface |
| 23:48.20 | Elad3 | dondelelcaro, what do u mean? |
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| 23:48.26 | dondelelcaro | Elad3: but just brining the interface down should be good enough for almost everything; what are you trying to do? |
| 23:48.29 | Elad3 | dondelelcaro, it's ipv6 interface |
| 23:48.33 | lunaphyte | do something sync the hwclock and system clock by default? |
| 23:48.53 | Elad3 | dondelelcaro, I want to remove it, for configure it from the start |
| 23:48.53 | lunaphyte | *does something... |
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| 23:49.08 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: the hwclock init scripts, yes. |
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| 23:49.59 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: ah, thanks- only once at boot though? |
| 23:49.59 | enouf | erm Zaerath, you mean pc133 ddr-sdram perhaps (or rimms), a p2 uses sdr-sdram, but oh well, you're gone ;-) |
| 23:50.25 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: and at shutdown and any other time it gets run |
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| 23:50.58 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: generally it should be good enough unless the hw clock is *really* bad. |
| 23:51.01 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: does it run automatically, by default, other than startup and shutdown? |
| 23:51.18 | lunaphyte | yeah, that's what i'm troubleshooting. |
| 23:51.46 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: not to my knowledge. ntp may write to it occasionally (not sure) |
| 23:51.54 | lunaphyte | ok, thanks. |
| 23:52.21 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.48 | lunaphyte | oh, thanks. |
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| 23:53.41 | lunaphyte | i think my system clock is losing time fairly dramatically, and i want to rule out cmos or battery issues. |
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| 23:54.01 | cafuego | you think it is or it really is? |
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| 23:54.50 | lunaphyte | right - let me rephrase that :) it really is losing time, and i want to rule out cmos / battery issues. |
| 23:55.23 | lunaphyte | so if hwclock isn't touched once the system is running, i should be able to make that distinction within 12 hours or so. |
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| 23:56.20 | mmc | lunaphyte move away hwclock binary? |
| 23:56.21 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: unless you're running ntp, that's true. |
| 23:56.24 | enouf | my old p2 clock drifts pretty bad .. not horribly, but a few minutes lost over say a week |
| 23:56.29 | harryv | hey! would you happen to know how i can get alaw support for sox ? |
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| 23:56.53 | harryv | works fine on my os x, but in lenny there's no support. i have installed libsox-fmt-all |
| 23:56.59 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: i'm running ntp, but it's drifting so bad ntp gives up. |
| 23:57.04 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: ah |
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| 23:57.11 | enouf | those old quartz crystals vibrating at 32K a sec are crap ;-) |
| 23:57.19 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: well, that'd be the system clock, not the hardware clock, actually. |
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| 23:57.21 | lunaphyte | i lose around 6 minutes a day. |
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| 23:57.40 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: since the hardware clock isn't looked at |
| 23:57.49 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: check what adjtimex -p; outputs for your clock |
| 23:57.50 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: that's what i figured - i wanted to prove it though. |
| 23:58.14 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: once the system is booted and running, nothing ever puts the hardware clock into the system clock. |
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| 23:58.36 | lunaphyte | i just started having trouble after doing an update on a server running testing that hadn't been updated in a while. |
| 23:58.42 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: the system clock has far finer granualarity than the hardware clock (generally speaking) so that's the only sane method. |
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| 23:59.08 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: gotcha, yeah i see that in the readme enouf offered. |
| 23:59.25 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: yeah, check what adjtimex -p; outputs. Most likely your tick and frequency are set to odd values |
| 23:59.25 | enouf | lunaphyte: maybe i missed it, but is that an old system? laptop? |
| 23:59.48 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: they should be somewhere around 0 for frequency and 10000 for tick |
