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| 00:00.35 | octox2 | anyone know what I can do about this probelm? dpkg: error processing qpopper (--remove) |
| 00:00.51 | dondelelcaro | octox2: you'd have to show us the full error. Use a paste site to do so. |
| 00:01.22 | octox2 | i was trying to install postfix and the remove of qpopper keeps getting inthe way |
| 00:01.22 | sherl0ck | so im learning to build debs, and my source dosent include a './configure' file, how can i figure dependecies out? |
| 00:01.22 | octox2 | ok |
| 00:01.28 | sherl0ck | to include in 'control file' |
| 00:01.48 | enouf | debian source? easy, build-dep, or apt-cache depends |
| 00:01.52 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: it wasn't on here - just installing it now. |
| 00:02.04 | dondelelcaro | sherl0ck: you don't need configure to do that; how to determine them depends on the package. |
| 00:02.36 | dondelelcaro | sherl0ck: generally you should read the documentation to find out non-shared library dependencies, and you can check that you're correct by testing the application in a chroot and building it in a chroot. See pbuilder and cowdancer et al. |
| 00:03.00 | sherl0ck | thank you, thats what i thought |
| 00:03.02 | lunaphyte | enouf: no, not really, pretty new machine - p4 3.0 w/ 2g of ram. |
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| 00:03.28 | enouf | lunaphyte: i see, and not a laptop i take it |
| 00:03.39 | octox2 | http://pastebin.com/m6cea0c22 |
| 00:04.02 | lunaphyte | enouf: right, yeah. |
| 00:04.04 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: :) can you take a look for me |
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| 00:04.30 | sherl0ck | dondelelcaro, if i use checkinstall to make a deb, does the deb it creates resolve dependices? |
| 00:05.22 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/KVXI8n84.html |
| 00:05.29 | azeem | octox2: you will have to debug the postrm script |
| 00:05.44 | lunaphyte | frequency seems to be a bit off from what you suggested. |
| 00:05.50 | azeem | octox2: also pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy qpopper" |
| 00:05.56 | enouf | i guess one workaround is to add exit 0 to the top of .postrm ? |
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| 00:06.19 | azeem | enouf: it's a workaround after you identified the problem, yes |
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| 00:06.26 | dondelelcaro | octox2: put a 'set -x' as the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/qpopper.postrm |
| 00:06.58 | dondelelcaro | octox2: then rerun the purge and continue |
| 00:07.56 | enouf | (he never ran --purge, only remove) |
| 00:08.20 | enouf | (whoops, i can't say _never_) ;-) |
| 00:08.22 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: ok, stop ntp if it's running, and run adjtimex -t 10000 -f 0; |
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| 00:09.55 | harryv | sox: error while loading shared libraries: libsox.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 00:10.01 | harryv | sox: error while loading shared libraries: libsox.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:10.08 | harryv | but it's right there in /usr/local/lib |
| 00:10.15 | harryv | ldd /usr/local/bin/sox |
| 00:10.20 | harryv | libsox.so.0 => not found |
| 00:10.23 | harryv | though |
| 00:10.30 | harryv | pretty weird |
| 00:10.32 | enouf | harryv: add that path to /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
| 00:10.34 | dondelelcaro | harryv: uh... why aren't you running Debian's sox package and the libsox0 libraries? |
| 00:10.34 | dvs | harryv: echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 00:10.46 | enouf | harryv: then run ldconfig? |
| 00:10.50 | octox2 | apt-cache policy qpopper http://pastebin.com/d6c91e28d |
| 00:10.59 | harryv | david-work: it doesn't have support for alaw.. |
| 00:11.20 | harryv | eh, |
| 00:11.22 | harryv | dondelelcaro: ^ |
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| 00:11.30 | harryv | enouf: it is |
| 00:11.42 | dondelelcaro | harryv: then why not recompile the Debian sox packages and enable support for it? |
| 00:12.19 | harryv | dondelelcaro: uh. never thought of that. |
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| 00:12.50 | dondelelcaro | harryv: the reason why you want to do that is because it'll work with anything else that links with libsox, whereas now it doesn't. |
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| 00:14.49 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: I put 'set -x' as the second line of qpopper.postrm, now try to apt-get remove it again ? |
| 00:14.55 | centosian | can I install Sys/Hostname.pm via apt? I tried 'apt-cache search Sys/Hostname.pm' but got nothing |
| 00:15.06 | dondelelcaro | octox2: right |
| 00:15.17 | enouf | azeem: i hear ya - btw, would policy show whether a pkg is on hold? (status) (if you don't recall atm, no biggy, i just never really had to hold, and i can always go look it up) |
| 00:15.32 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: ok, done. |
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| 00:16.00 | enouf | centosian: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 00:16.09 | centosian | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.20 | enouf | without blank space preceeding ;-) |
| 00:16.39 | centosian | :) I didn't intend that |
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| 00:16.59 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: this is what I got now lol http://pastebin.com/d35d3e855 |
| 00:17.10 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: ill paste my postrim file |
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| 00:17.46 | dondelelcaro | octox2: inetd has a pidfile but isn't running. |
| 00:17.54 | octox2 | http://pastebin.com/d376cd102 |
| 00:18.09 | dondelelcaro | octox2: if pgrep -a inetd; doesn't return anything, rm -f /var/run/inetd.pid |
| 00:18.25 | dondelelcaro | err, pgrep -f inetd; |
| 00:18.27 | octox2 | ops, that wasnt all of it |
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| 00:19.04 | octox2 | this is all of it http://pastebin.com/m6938513d , ok ill try taht now too |
| 00:19.32 | centosian | thanks enouf |
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| 00:20.19 | enouf | centosian: np |
| 00:20.45 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: pgrep told me i cant do a '-a' option ? |
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| 00:20.57 | dondelelcaro | octox2: see my second line; it's -f, not -a |
| 00:21.08 | octox2 | oh ok |
| 00:21.24 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: 3054 |
| 00:21.37 | dvs | kill -9 |
| 00:21.42 | dondelelcaro | octox2: heh. ok, so it is running, but the pid is wrong. |
| 00:21.58 | dondelelcaro | octox2: as root write 3054 to /var/run/inetd.pid |
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| 00:22.06 | dondelelcaro | octox2: then it should be able to be removed |
| 00:22.09 | octox2 | man i have so much to learn still lol |
| 00:22.34 | dvs | octox2: no, something just messed up. |
| 00:22.47 | octox2 | what is it that you found is running? |
| 00:22.55 | octox2 | qpopper? |
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| 00:23.29 | dondelelcaro | octox2: no, inetd. |
| 00:23.34 | samuel | sup all |
| 00:23.35 | octox2 | oh, inetd is running with pid 3054 i can see in top |
| 00:23.57 | samuel | anyone know where i can get a testing CD for amd64? seems there are none on the debian website |
| 00:23.58 | dondelelcaro | octox2: because qpopper has an inetd entry, when it is being removed, it has to remove the entry, then restart inetd. |
| 00:24.18 | dondelelcaro | samuel: there are d-i netinst and such; see debian.org/CD |
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| 00:24.49 | dondelelcaro | samuel: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 00:24.53 | samuel | dondelelcaro: no full weekly builds for amd64 though? |
| 00:25.55 | dondelelcaro | samuel: they must have failed, but you can just use the netinst images. |
| 00:25.59 | vanksi | how can i set 'mail' (bsd mail) to use external smtp server? |
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| 00:26.04 | N0S3 | hello at all, i use debian testing with kde, but i cannot see the "black screen" in the screensaver list , some comment? |
| 00:26.04 | samuel | dondelelcaro: thanks i will |
| 00:26.04 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: what is the inetd.pid file for? i opened it and 3674 is inside it |
| 00:26.10 | cafuego | vanksi: Not. |
| 00:26.18 | trentster | Hey all, can someone offer some advice on this. We are running debian 4.0, and have recently installed resource-tracker 3.6 and now want to install RTFM which is an add on to RT, but apt wants to install RT 3.4 when it installs RTFM, is there a way to get debian to install the correct version of RTFM that is compatible with RT 3.6? |
| 00:26.19 | cafuego | vanksi: However, you can with `nail'. |
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| 00:26.32 | dvs | octox2: it's suppose to match the pid of inetd |
| 00:26.37 | dondelelcaro | octox2: it's what stores the pid of inetd (3054 in your case) |
| 00:26.57 | dondelelcaro | octox2: most likely inetd was not started using the /etc/init.d script or something, and so it's currently wrong. |
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| 00:27.01 | vanksi | cafuego, ok, is it similar to mail? |
| 00:27.13 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: so i wqant to rplace what is in there with the actual pid that i can see with top ;) ok coo |
| 00:27.17 | dondelelcaro | octox2: you can also fix it by kill 3054; /etc/init.d/inetd start; or similar. |
| 00:27.25 | cafuego | vanksi: it is in th way I use it (pipe files to it, pass cmdline address) |
| 00:27.35 | Deezire | uh, 1,8 load on a quad xeon with 8GB memory running just one guest. |
| 00:27.38 | Deezire | weird |
| 00:27.48 | dondelelcaro | Deezire: that's not that unusual |
| 00:27.52 | Deezire | really? |
| 00:27.56 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: cool, i want to change the file, thanks I enjoy problems that have answers lol |
| 00:28.15 | dondelelcaro | Deezire: depends what you're doing with the system, but that just means that on average 1.8 processes are trying to run. |
| 00:28.27 | cafuego | vanksi: Alternatively, you can set up your local MTA to use the remote one as smarthost and run `mail' locally. |
| 00:28.34 | Deezire | Yeah, but the system aint doing anything. |
| 00:28.53 | dondelelcaro | Deezire: so look at top or ps; and see which processes are running |
| 00:29.06 | Deezire | None. |
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| 00:29.12 | Deezire | Byt load avarage keeps on rising |
| 00:29.24 | dondelelcaro | Deezire: obviously *some* processes are running. |
| 00:29.30 | cafuego | Deezire: Also be aware that a load of 4 would mean the box is 100% busy, not 1. |
| 00:29.41 | cafuego | Deezire: Does it use software raid? |
| 00:29.42 | Deezire | Yeah, they are running, but CPU% is at 0 on all |
| 00:29.52 | Deezire | K¨¨ |
| 00:29.56 | Deezire | it does |
| 00:30.13 | enouf | io wait states? |
| 00:30.13 | dondelelcaro | Deezire: load doesn't just include cpu utilization, it includes io utilization as well. |
| 00:30.14 | cafuego | Might it be doing a rebuild or sync? |
| 00:30.28 | Deezire | enouf: huh? |
| 00:30.33 | Deezire | dondelelcaro: okey |
| 00:30.34 | recklessop | have a hyper threading question for you... i have adell pe 2650 dual 1.8 ghz xeons with HT... is there any benifit to turning the HT off.. so that linux on sees the real processors? is there any performance losses with HT? |
| 00:30.40 | enouf | vmstat, iostat, iotop |
| 00:30.53 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: so, inetd is a server right? |
| 00:31.15 | dondelelcaro | octox2: it's the internet superserver, yes. man inetd; for details. |
| 00:31.42 | enouf | recklessop: those aren't dual core CPUs right? if not, then disabling HT will likely hurt |
| 00:31.48 | dondelelcaro | recklessop: depends on what you're doing and what kernel version it is |
| 00:31.56 | Deezire | enouf: http://notisblokk.no/22 |
| 00:32.00 | recklessop | its a LAMP |
| 00:32.06 | recklessop | for a couple vbulletin forums |
| 00:32.22 | recklessop | and no they are not dual core and they are not EM64 |
| 00:32.24 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: ok, my sys has been up for a long time, and i think you are right that inetd was not started at boot time so that is why the recorded pid in the file was maybe wrong ? |
| 00:32.31 | enouf | Deezire: i just threw out some possible suggest - i have to run for awhile now - apologies |
| 00:32.39 | Deezire | no problem :) |
| 00:32.41 | recklessop | and its whatever kernel is stock with tch |
| 00:32.45 | recklessop | etch |
| 00:33.31 | recklessop | 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 00:34.02 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: well, as you already know, that fixed teh issue and i was able to uninstall qpopper :) |
| 00:34.17 | cafuego | recklessop: I'd run it with HT and not worry about it unless the load was stupidly high. |
| 00:34.22 | dondelelcaro | q-tip: cool. |
| 00:34.26 | dondelelcaro | s/q-tip/octox2/ |
| 00:34.38 | dondelelcaro | octox2: yeah, most likely. |
| 00:34.43 | octox2 | dondelelcaro: what did the set -x in the qpopper.postrm do ? |
| 00:34.51 | dondelelcaro | octox2: help set; |
| 00:34.59 | recklessop | yeah its not, i just wanted to optimize it as much as possible... id probably be better off looking into mysql and apache |
| 00:35.09 | cafuego | octox2: It printed every line it was executing |
| 00:35.43 | octox2 | cool |
| 00:35.45 | cafuego | recklessop: have enough apache children and make the mysql caches and buffers as big as possiblr. |
| 00:36.09 | cafuego | recklessop: Both are more a function of available ram than cpu. |
| 00:36.55 | recklessop | cafuego: by as big as possible you mean as much as ram allows right? |
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| 00:37.35 | cafuego | recklessop: aye |
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| 00:38.52 | recklessop | cafuego: so would there be any benifit to upgrading the ram to 4 or 6 gig... and just making the buffers something rediculous and letting the whole database run from ram ? lol |
| 00:40.07 | dondelelcaro | recklessop: the more ram the better |
| 00:40.22 | dondelelcaro | (you pretty much can't go wrong with putting more ram in your system) |
| 00:40.34 | dvs | unless it's bad RAM. ;-) |
| 00:40.34 | dondelelcaro | esp. because it's so rediculously cheap nowadays |
| 00:40.58 | dondelelcaro | dvs: that's why it's "pretty much" ;-) |
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| 00:41.23 | recklessop | lol, well between maxing out the ram and getting all the onboard sensors and extra freatures of the server function in linux its an awesome box |
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| 00:41.42 | recklessop | unless its sitting in your basement and can be hear loud as can be in the bedroom upstairs and your gf tells you to et it out lol |
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| 00:42.15 | jenocin | can someone help me with quotaon: using //quota.group on /dev/sda1 [/]: No such process |
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| 00:47.04 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Actually, with 8GB ram and an ia32 box you kinda can go wrong ;-) |
| 00:47.31 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... though the number of ia32 boxes that support that much ram is kind of small |
| 00:47.36 | cafuego | recklessop: Afaik a 32bit box would be limited to 4.6GB or so of useable ram. |
| 00:47.42 | cafuego | 3.6GB even |
| 00:47.49 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: nah, they can support 64G |
| 00:47.50 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: precisely |
| 00:48.08 | dondelelcaro | (via the PAE tricks, iirc) |
| 00:48.17 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Can, or do? I have 4GB in a few of 'em and they all only detect 3.6GB |
| 00:48.28 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: you'd have to have the bigmem kernel |
| 00:48.37 | cafuego | aaaah, I see. |
| 00:48.40 | dondelelcaro | (and I'm not sure if it's worth the speed penalty for 400M) |
| 00:48.55 | cafuego | Nop. |
| 00:49.16 | cafuego | The only boxes that would need more would be 8GB systems they they all run amd64 anyway. |
| 00:49.27 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
| 00:50.18 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: and got what, 4G? |
| 00:50.23 | cafuego | 5G |
| 00:50.26 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 00:50.38 | cafuego | including credit card surcharge ;-) |
| 00:51.20 | cafuego | Unfortunately my own box uses DDR and that's nowhere near as cheap |
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| 00:52.49 | dondelelcaro | ah; yeah, I was going to try maxing out this machine (it uses RIMMS blech) and it would have run about $4K |
| 00:52.54 | cafuego | ouch |
| 00:53.18 | dondelelcaro | (not only would it require RIMMs, which are insanely expensive, it would require risers too) |
| 00:53.43 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, that's exactly what this; some optiplex something or other |
| 00:54.13 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I went and specced out a dual quadcore with more memory for the same price and decided that I'd just wait. ;-) |
| 00:54.34 | cafuego | heh |
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| 00:55.01 | jenocin | dell has servers 45% off, got a dual quadcore for 3.5k with 4 gig of mem |
| 00:55.12 | jenocin | and 3 15k drives |
| 00:55.36 | Canariss | sweet deal my friend |
| 00:55.40 | Canariss | was that in the us? |
| 00:55.40 | cafuego | CalJohn_: For the record: 4×500MHz P3 based Xeons |
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| 00:56.20 | haxor | after a month of tryin i finally managed to get my rtl8187b realtek adapter workin in debian testing |
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| 00:56.21 | jenocin | Canariss: yeah till tomorrow |
| 00:56.27 | haxor | that feels good |
| 00:56.30 | CalJohn_ | cafuego: less nice, but still nice |
| 00:56.48 | cafuego | CalJohn_: it slightly less loud and large than a VAX |
| 00:56.59 | cafuego | so i cna't actually run it in the house <heh> |
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| 00:57.31 | jenocin | so anyone know if deb has issues with quota, same commands worked fine in centos5 |
| 00:57.42 | CalJohn_ | cafuego: ;) I've always wanted to find an old VAX. I'm quite curious |
| 00:57.54 | cafuego | CalJohn_: Go rinse out yer mouth |
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| 00:58.50 | CalJohn_ | :p |
| 01:00.34 | Canariss | haxor: lenny didnt autodetect your rtl8187b? |
| 01:00.49 | Canariss | I thought realteks are pretty well supported? |
| 01:01.35 | haxor | no |
| 01:01.42 | Canariss | btw, has anyone experimented with ipv6 yet? |
| 01:02.02 | haxor | i got a modified driver from the net canariss |
| 01:02.24 | Canariss | whats so special about the rtl8187b? is it so old/new? |
| 01:02.42 | haxor | am not sure |
| 01:03.04 | haxor | it's just that i got it on my toshiba laptop |
| 01:03.17 | haxor | built in on the board |
| 01:03.20 | Canariss | oh ok |
| 01:03.47 | Canariss | Tried to set up my WLAN on 4.0r3 today and i could not get it to work |
| 01:03.55 | haxor | oh ok |
| 01:04.01 | Canariss | So I ended up just buying a wireless-bridge off ebay today |
| 01:04.07 | haxor | cool |
| 01:04.27 | Canariss | we'll see, but i hope this is gonna save me lots of time |
| 01:04.33 | haxor | true |
| 01:04.34 | jenocin | arg... still can't get quota workin, pita, even updated to lenny |
| 01:04.53 | azeem | jenocin: eh, if you need quota, is this a server? |
| 01:05.23 | haxor | actually i had gotten the modified drivers before but i hadn't updated my gcc environment |
| 01:05.57 | jenocin | azeem: yeah |
| 01:06.11 | azeem | jenocin: then I don't recommend updating to lenny |
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| 01:06.54 | jenocin | azeem: i'm about to just wipe deb and go back to centos |
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| 01:07.11 | Canariss | r u talking about user quotas? |
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| 01:07.38 | torrr | how do I make sshd demand an RSA key? |
| 01:07.42 | jamieson | hello, trying to debootstrap etch /new ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ but getting E: Couldn't find these debs: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 etc .. any ideas? already tried --resolve-deps |
| 01:07.45 | jenocin | Canariss: yeah, its on slicehost |
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| 01:07.57 | trentster | Hey all, can someone offer some advice on this. We are running debian 4.0, and have recently installed resource-tracker 3.6 and now want to install RTFM which is an add on to RT, but apt wants to install RT 3.4 when it installs RTFM, is there a way to get debian to install the correct version of RTFM that is compatible with RT 3.6? |
| 01:08.05 | jamieson | torrr turn off everything in sshd_config except pubkey |
| 01:08.31 | torrr | jamieson, but I want to also use a password |
| 01:08.37 | jamieson | torr if you do it on a remote server, be sure to keep your session open, restart sshd (which does not close your session) and attempt to log back in. if you can't, fix it in your remaining open session |
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| 01:08.50 | Canariss | jenocin: have u installed quotas? (apt-get install quota) |
| 01:08.53 | jamieson | torrr huh? either or, not both |
| 01:09.07 | jamieson | torrr you want both pubkey and password on? |
| 01:09.12 | torrr | yes |
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| 01:09.37 | jamieson | that just means that one or the other will be tried. |
| 01:09.39 | jenocin | Canariss: yeah, just can't enable |
| 01:09.44 | jamieson | not that both are used simultaneously |
| 01:10.04 | Canariss | jenocin: why not? have u edited /etc/fstab? |
| 01:10.08 | jenocin | quotaon: using //quota.user on /dev/sda1 [/]: No such process |
| 01:10.08 | jenocin | quotaon: Quota format not supported in kernel. |
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| 01:10.22 | jenocin | fstab is set , checkquotas fine, insmod to quota_v2 already |
| 01:10.32 | jamieson | debootstrap etch /new ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ but getting E: Couldn't find these debs: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 etc .. any ideas? already tried --resolve-deps |
| 01:10.45 | torrr | jamieson, I want that an RSA key would exist , and if it exist then a password prompt would be presented |
| 01:10.49 | jamieson | i.e., debootstrap fails just installing the official etch distro from official mirrors |
| 01:10.57 | Canariss | jenocin: have u remounted the partitions aswell? |
| 01:11.09 | jamieson | torrr: no, that's not how it works. IF the RSA key exists, then it is used. |
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| 01:11.25 | jamieson | torrr: oh, wait. are you talking about the passphrase instead of password for the key? |
| 01:11.27 | jenocin | Canariss: yep mount -o remount / |
| 01:11.45 | Canariss | jenocin: ok hmm wierd |
| 01:11.55 | jamieson | torrr: that is, are you talking about logging into an SSH server using your passphrase-protected key? |
| 01:11.56 | torrr | jamieson, actually I wasn't talking about that but that sounds like an idea |
| 01:12.14 | Canariss | jenocin: try this: quotacheck -avug |
| 01:12.23 | jamieson | torrr: well, if you use a key (passphrase-protected or not), you don't use a password. |
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| 01:12.47 | jenocin | quotacheck -avugm works fine |
| 01:12.49 | jamieson | torrr: but you can disable passwords altogether once you get keys set up. just don't lose your key. |
| 01:12.54 | jamieson | torrr: http://www.google.com/search?q=ssh+passphrase&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 01:13.05 | Canariss | jenocin: what about quotaon -a ? |
| 01:13.16 | jamieson | later |
| 01:13.23 | jenocin | Canariss: same error |
| 01:13.34 | Canariss | strange |
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| 01:13.47 | Canariss | what does uname -a say? |
| 01:13.58 | Canariss | have u installed a standard kernel? |
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| 01:14.04 | asdzxc | hi |
| 01:14.05 | p_masho | hope someone can help ? I got an online 1and1 root server. upgraded to debian 4.0.. But I get this strange problem where it seems to "lock up" ocassionally. I cant access by SSH, but if I go in on serial connection I always get this >> http://dpaste.com/39360/ |
| 01:14.14 | asdzxc | useing Apache2.2, debian etch |
| 01:14.16 | jenocin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.26 | jenocin | Canariss: standard slicehost xen vps |
| 01:14.27 | asdzxc | and getting lots of these: |
| 01:14.30 | asdzxc | [notice] child pid 12468 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 01:14.32 | p_masho | can anyone give me some pointers how to track this down. ? please |
| 01:14.55 | Canariss | are there known problems with quotas on vServers? |
| 01:15.04 | asdzxc | probably related to this: |
| 01:15.07 | asdzxc | [error] an unknown filter was not added: DEFLATE |
| 01:15.10 | p_masho | Oh and the only way to reboot is Via a web interface? |
| 01:15.22 | jenocin | Canariss: dunno, it worked okay when I installed centos today, just prefer deb |
| 01:15.53 | jenocin | Canariss: centos 5.1 |
| 01:16.51 | Canariss | well it just really sounds like your kernel doesn't support quotas |
| 01:17.23 | Canariss | the standard kernel supports quotas |
| 01:17.36 | Canariss | ok what does 'cat /proc/mounts say? |
| 01:17.40 | markrian | Hello! How does gdm/kdm know a particular user's preferred session environment? I need to change it, and have to do it remotely via ssh. Any ideas? |
| 01:18.12 | jenocin | Canariss: /dev/sda1 / ext3 rw,data=ordered,usrquota,grpquota 0 0 |
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| 01:19.03 | jenocin | canaris: /dev/sda1 /dev/.static/dev ext3 rw,data=ordered,usrquota,grpquota 0 0 |
| 01:19.22 | jenocin | Canariss: has both, didn't notice that before |
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| 01:20.30 | Canariss | jenocin: still dont see why quots shouldn work |
| 01:20.48 | jenocin | Canariss: neither do I, must be something weird in the image, guess centos it is |
| 01:21.05 | Canariss | thats too bad |
| 01:21.12 | Canariss | u should send your hoster an email |
| 01:21.23 | Canariss | this is really something they should enable in their kernel |
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| 01:21.53 | peleg | does anyone know about a graphical user interface for editing texinfo? (besides emacs); I need something that will know how to add, or at least highlight, @ commands. |
| 01:21.54 | jenocin | Canariss: could go arch linux too , gonna request that they add it, but gotta move some stuff from another box quickly, wanted to run ispconfig |
| 01:22.08 | jenocin | Canariss: add the quota support that is |
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| 01:22.19 | Canariss | jenocin: definitely |
| 01:22.28 | Canariss | peleg: have u tried nano oder mc? |
| 01:22.34 | jenocin | Canariss: I can boot strap on there and install it myself, but that that's just a pita |
| 01:22.48 | Canariss | jen: :-) |
| 01:22.53 | Canariss | jenocin: :-) |
| 01:23.44 | Canariss | jenocin: never worked with arch. any good? |
| 01:23.46 | peleg | Canariss: nano? it's nice, but it's a non-graphical editor. I really prefer a graphical one; nano will highlight correct @ commands? |
| 01:24.09 | Canariss | peleg: what do u mean by graphical? something u can run under gnome/kde? |
| 01:24.35 | Canariss | or something u can run in bash that's "kinda" graphical? ;) |
| 01:24.47 | jenocin | Canariss: haven't worked with it myself too much, looks like a nice package manager though :-), from the reviews its quick and has a gentoo feel without the source builds |
| 01:25.01 | Canariss | arch builds from source? |
| 01:25.33 | jenocin | Canariss: defaults to a binary system, but also has the source manager |
| 01:26.02 | jenocin | Canariss: from the reviews and following, gonna have to check it out myself and find out :-) |
| 01:26.11 | peleg | Canariss: gnome, indeed |
| 01:26.14 | jenocin | Canariss: i'm a distro junkee |
| 01:26.33 | Canariss | jenocin: it seems so :-) |
| 01:26.45 | Canariss | jenocin: have u tried apt-build? |
| 01:27.01 | Canariss | peleg: do u need it for coding? |
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| 01:27.21 | jenocin | Canariss: opensuse/freebsd/gentoo/slackware/centos/debian/fedora installed on diff boxes atm |
| 01:27.47 | jenocin | Canariss: trying to get away from the building if I can, nice thing right off the bat with arch was everything was i686 |
| 01:27.54 | peleg | Canariss: for creating info/pdf files |
| 01:28.35 | Canariss | jenocin: lol. simultaneously? |
| 01:28.38 | kgoetz | jenocin: what arch's does arch support? |
| 01:28.48 | Canariss | peleg: sorry can't really help |
| 01:29.13 | Canariss | peleg: openoffice :-) |
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| 01:30.04 | kgoetz | peleg: gedit for something basic? |
| 01:30.24 | kgoetz | elcipse and the other IDE's will probay do it too. |
| 01:30.26 | jenocin | kgoetz: just getting into it myself, dunno off the bat, but my host is x86_64 so at least that and i686 |
| 01:30.26 | kgoetz | or gvim :D |
| 01:30.28 | cafuego | jenocin: Debian has a 686 libc6. The rest hardly matters. |
| 01:30.46 | kgoetz | cafuego: arvo |
| 01:30.52 | cafuego | kgoetz: burnies |
| 01:31.36 | jescis | kgoetz: emacs is a better text program(can also be used in terminal mode.) |
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| 01:31.40 | Canariss | go x64 i say :) |
| 01:31.49 | peleg | kgoetz: yes, thought about that as well. well, maybe. Do you know LyX? I thought that there is a LyX equivalent for texinfo. |
| 01:32.02 | kgoetz | jescis: terminal mode? |
| 01:32.09 | jescis | yes |
| 01:32.09 | kgoetz | peleg: no i dont |
| 01:32.17 | kgoetz | meaning? |
| 01:32.20 | peleg | thanks |
| 01:32.39 | peleg | LyX is kind of WYSIWYG for TeX |
| 01:32.46 | jescis | kgoetz: I've used emacs on terminal/console only |
| 01:33.06 | kgoetz | jescis: i've used vim there... so what? |
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| 01:33.29 | jescis | emacs does a better job |
| 01:33.48 | kgoetz | yeah yeah |
| 01:33.54 | kgoetz | !start an editor war |
| 01:33.54 | dpkg | xemacs is known to cause brain damage |
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| 01:34.41 | jescis | lol, ok. I'll stop |
| 01:35.01 | craigevil | cream |
| 01:35.20 | Canariss | lovely |
| 01:35.23 | jenocin | ed |
| 01:35.26 | jenocin | :-) |
| 01:35.31 | jescis | lol |
| 01:36.05 | jescis | I can move around emacs better then I can in vim. |
| 01:36.14 | sgalliner_ | hmm my debian hd install on a laptop runs a little slow, 75% CPU |
| 01:36.18 | sgalliner_ | Host/Kernel/OS "TIR" running Linux 2.6.24-10-generic i686 [ KANOTIX 2007 Thorhammer ] |
| 01:36.18 | sgalliner_ | CPU Info (1) Intel Core2 Duo E4500 @ clocked at [ 2194.574 MHz ] |
| 01:36.18 | sgalliner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.19 | sgalliner_ | Videocard nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] X.Org 7.1.1 [ 1024x768 @75hz ] |
| 01:36.19 | sgalliner_ | Network cards Atheros AR5212 802.11abg NIC |
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| 01:36.40 | Canariss | what does top say? |
| 01:36.49 | jenocin | jescis: could never get the feel for emacs, tried, but vim always felt more like home... |
| 01:36.58 | craigevil | moron he flooded #sidux as well saying the same crap, hes running Kanotix anyway |
| 01:37.03 | jescis | ok |
| 01:37.32 | jescis | kenotix??? |
| 01:37.45 | jenocin | kanotix is a knoppix clone if I remember right |
| 01:37.57 | jescis | ah. |
| 01:37.58 | jenocin | probably booting off the cd :-P |
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| 01:38.11 | craigevil | more or less with about 100 ppl that actually use it |
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| 01:38.42 | jenocin | craigevil: 99 until he gets it running right heh |
| 01:38.44 | Canariss | on their website it says RC7 |
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| 01:38.58 | Canariss | lol@jenocin |
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| 01:40.41 | enouf | craigevil: maybe so, but that kano guy is pretty darn intelligent (fwiw) |
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| 01:41.25 | craigevil | yes and Kanotix was dam cool when it was based on sid, now Kano uses stable with a patched ubuntu kernel |
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| 01:42.02 | craigevil | since most of his devs left and started sidux kano has been pretty much in limbo |
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| 01:43.06 | Canariss | what the? |
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| 01:44.00 | craigevil | netsplit its been doing it all day |
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| 01:44.30 | Canariss | ok |
| 01:45.24 | enouf | dondelelcaro: the one decent thing about the p4 that uses RIMMs is the 3200MB/sec match between RIMM and FSB speed, IIRC (my silly little p2 350MHz also has the same match (100FSB, 100/133MHz SD-RAM)) |
| 01:46.05 | Canariss | has anybody tried piv6 on etch yet? |
| 01:46.11 | Canariss | I mean ipv6 only? |
| 01:46.12 | enouf | craigevil: hrm, hadn't realized |
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| 01:46.53 | enouf | Canariss: disable join/part messages in your irc client, like i have ;-) |
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| 01:46.58 | subsume | forgive me room but what source for apt is this a part of http://packages.debian.org/hu/sid/python-amara |
| 01:47.05 | subsume | I want it(!) |
| 01:47.11 | enouf | Canariss: (nothing related to your ipv6 question) |
| 01:47.19 | Gigantic | latta |
| 01:47.43 | Canariss | enouf: nice idea |
| 01:47.55 | dondelelcaro | enouf: yeah, they were really nice for their time |
| 01:48.14 | jenocin | Canariss: you know I think I figured it out, but too late now |
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| 01:48.51 | jenocin | Canariss: was using quota.user and quota.group instead of aquota.user aquota.group, only had quota_v2 installed, well I guess I'll reinstall and see what happens |
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| 01:48.54 | Canariss | jenocin: u did? |
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| 01:49.11 | Canariss | jenocin: whats the difference between aquota and quota? |
| 01:49.14 | markrian | subsume: lenny/sid in main |
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| 01:49.31 | subsume | markrian: hmm. how to tell which I am on? |
| 01:49.38 | jenocin | Canariss: think its v1 / v2... was the only difference I saw atm |
| 01:49.46 | Canariss | oh ok |
| 01:49.50 | Canariss | aquota is v1 i take it? |
| 01:49.59 | jenocin | Canariss: and like I said , kernel only had the mod for v2, nope aquota should be v2 |
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| 01:50.18 | Canariss | ah alright |
| 01:50.22 | markrian | subsume: look in /etc/apt/sources.list, is one way |
| 01:50.24 | Canariss | weird. |
| 01:50.31 | jenocin | Canariss: looks like it could be it, I'll let you know in a minute |
| 01:50.50 | jenocin | Canariss: I manually made the files, so it kept the names and then tried running v1 I think |
| 01:50.51 | Canariss | jenocin: ok |
| 01:50.53 | subsume | markrian: doesn't say. |
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| 01:51.19 | jenocin | Canariss: worked on the centos... wish I saw that b4 I wiped it |
| 01:51.26 | enouf | subsume: apt-get -s source python-amara ? |
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| 01:51.42 | markrian | subsume: well yes, it would - there'll either be the word stable (etch), testing (lenny) or unstable (sid) |
| 01:51.49 | enouf | subsume: /msg dpkg sources.list , and /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 01:51.55 | subsume | etch |
| 01:51.56 | Canariss | jenocin: lol. how many times have I told myself that exact same sentence :D |
| 01:52.04 | enouf | er i mean, /msg dpkg deb-src |
| 01:52.07 | subsume | nevermind. just built it myself |
| 01:52.13 | subsume | thanks guys |
| 01:52.16 | markrian | subsume: there you go, you're running stable, which doesn't have that package in it - it's too new |
| 01:52.17 | enouf | wtf? |
| 01:52.27 | markrian | Ok, well, whatever. |
| 01:52.34 | jenocin | Canariss: hehe rm -fR / :-) reloading the deb slice now, let me see if I'm correct |
| 01:52.48 | jerbear | gdm is supposed to source ~/.zprofile if SHELL is zsh, right? |
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| 01:52.55 | enouf | subsume: the ssb factoid is the correct way to build from newer for older releases |
| 01:53.19 | enouf | sherlock: if , backports.org hasn't already done so (another option) |
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| 01:53.40 | enouf | meh, i meant subsume, not sherlock |
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| 01:54.15 | enouf | jerbear: hrm, does ~/.zrc say so? |
| 01:54.34 | enouf | erm, nm |
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| 01:55.21 | jenocin | Canariss: /dev/sda1 [/]: group quotas turned on |
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| 01:55.41 | jenocin | Canariss: as my laptop goes flying across the room |
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| 01:57.27 | Canariss | jenocin: hahaha |
| 01:57.52 | wimpies | when I press the 'right' arrow key in xine my movie does not skip 7 seconds as it should but but returns to the kind of like the last keyframe. |
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| 02:03.32 | robboplus | hello folks |
| 02:03.35 | Canariss | hi |
| 02:03.45 | robboplus | are there are methods of formatting mysql's output? |
| 02:04.02 | robboplus | e.g. if i wanted blah; blah; blah instead a typical vertical list |
| 02:04.14 | robboplus | s/are// |
| 02:04.24 | robboplus | err s/are/any/ |
| 02:04.28 | jenocin | robboplus yes there is, dunno it off hand though |
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| 02:04.34 | robboplus | hm |
| 02:04.41 | Canariss | commandline or web? like php? |
| 02:05.09 | robboplus | commandline |
| 02:05.13 | jenocin | robboplus: mysql cmd line can do it in horizontal, csv etc |
| 02:05.23 | jenocin | robboplus: try /? think its in there |
| 02:05.24 | robboplus | i'm trying to get a list of ~400 words and put then in blah;blah;blah... form |
| 02:05.40 | Canariss | well |
| 02:05.45 | robboplus | hm.. is it really in /? ? i will try |
| 02:05.53 | Canariss | you could try -t or --table |
| 02:06.06 | Canariss | is that what u want? |
| 02:06.06 | robboplus | i mean mysql shell |
| 02:06.10 | jenocin | robboplus: drop to a text file and sed remove the blank space |
| 02:06.26 | robboplus | or convert blank space into ; ? |
| 02:06.43 | Canariss | have u tried --table? |
| 02:06.52 | robboplus | hm i will try in a sec |
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| 02:07.37 | Canariss | ok let me know if it worked |
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| 02:08.41 | robboplus | Canariss if you meant to log into mysql shell with mysql --table -p it didn't help |
| 02:08.48 | ryan-c | Can anyone direct me to a howto for making custom debian install CDs? |
| 02:08.53 | robboplus | i still got a vertical list of single words |
| 02:09.01 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 02:09.01 | dpkg | somebody said custom netinst was http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel, http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/, http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD, see <kmuto> |
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| 02:09.29 | {Roger} | how can i get rid of xfce4 desktop icons ? |
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| 02:10.43 | Canariss | robboplus: usually mysql format the outputs quite nicely |
| 02:10.49 | Canariss | dont u get the data in table format? |
| 02:11.02 | jenocin | robboplus: drop it to a text file and switch the whitespace/cr's to ; if thats what u want |
| 02:11.19 | jenocin | robboplus: unless u want to script it, should be easy enough to get that format |
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| 02:12.18 | Canariss | robboplus: try appending a '\G' at the end of your query |
| 02:12.26 | Canariss | and let me know what happened |
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| 02:13.11 | abrotman | markybob!! |
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| 02:14.09 | ryan-c | abrotman: Hmm. That is vastly more complicated then I was hoping. All I need to do is change the isolinux config to provide a serial console. :/ Really, I just need to know what mkisofs options to use. |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | ryan-c: and you're sure the current install doesn't do that ? |
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| 02:15.33 | pipeline | ryan-c: edit the configuration file, add your arguments, then pass the isolinux fake floppy as an argument to mkisofs. Search the man page for "el torito," the substandard governing floppy emulation for CD boot. |
| 02:15.43 | ryan-c | abrotman: I want the system to boot up with a serial console for install. It can't do that without changing isolinux.cfg |
| 02:15.46 | pipeline | ryan-c: the isolinux homepage and readme file explain this pretty well. |
| 02:16.02 | pipeline | ryan-c: btw, having the kernel messages go to console won't help. You really need to alter the initrd, not the boot arguments. |
| 02:16.10 | abrotman | ryan-c: i think that depends on the architecture .. but okay |
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| 02:16.20 | pipeline | abrotman: using isolinux kinda gives away the arch :) |
| 02:16.30 | abrotman | don't pick on me! |
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| 02:17.23 | ryan-c | pipeline: I have configs around here somewhere from when i used pxelinux on a system with no video |
| 02:17.41 | ryan-c | so that part i'm good on. |
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| 02:19.05 | vchrizz | hi, i want to use an ipv6 tunnel, should i rather use the command ip or ifconfig for setting it up? |
| 02:19.55 | robboplus | Canariss thank you but i didn't want vertical output - horizontal one |
| 02:20.07 | robboplus | anyway looks like i need to learn sed... it just can't work otherwise |
| 02:20.37 | robboplus | [03:10:58] <jenocin> robboplus: drop it to a text file and switch the whitespace/cr's to ; if thats what u want |
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| 02:21.50 | Canariss | robboplus: very wierd. usually horizontal (Table) output is standard!! |
| 02:21.57 | Canariss | what does your output look like now??? |
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| 02:24.30 | robboplus | i meant i do: select field from table where id > 2000; |
| 02:24.38 | robboplus | and i get like 400 words |
| 02:24.47 | Canariss | did u do it within the sql schell? |
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| 02:24.49 | robboplus | i don't want that in vertical which is default |
| 02:24.50 | Canariss | shell |
| 02:24.53 | robboplus | yes |
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| 02:25.01 | robboplus | i got a table format which i don't want/need in this case |
| 02:25.17 | Canariss | try not doing it in the shell and using '-t' or '--table' |
| 02:25.19 | robboplus | all i need is a nice horizontal list like word;word;word |
| 02:25.41 | abrotman | robboplus: use sed |
| 02:26.05 | robboplus | abrotman i'm about to.. seems my only solution |
| 02:26.13 | robboplus | thank you btw, i know it's off-topic alot here... |
| 02:26.23 | abrotman | there is a #sed |
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| 02:28.52 | Multiply | A handy ftp server which can use MySQL as userdatabase? |
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| 02:29.14 | macaruchi | how can i register ?> |
| 02:29.22 | macaruchi | in mirc |
| 02:29.27 | Zaerath | I just moved my server from an old box which used the 8139too module to a new box that uses a different network card, could someone help me determine the module it needs? |
| 02:30.03 | macaruchi | how can i register my nick |
| 02:30.18 | amphi | macaruchi: /msg nickserv help |
| 02:30.25 | abrotman | Multiply: most ftpds can |
| 02:30.32 | macaruchi | thks amee2k |
| 02:30.47 | amphi | er... |
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| 02:32.22 | Multiply | abrotman, can you name one? |
| 02:32.29 | abrotman | vsftpd? |
| 02:32.31 | abrotman | proftpd? |
| 02:32.35 | abrotman | Multiply: apt-cache search ftp mysql |
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| 02:33.35 | Multiply | I was thinking of proftpd, but I didn't really search correctly. Typos, doh. |
| 02:33.37 | tengulre | which package contain dot command? |
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| 02:34.15 | abrotman | tengulre: contains what? |
| 02:34.31 | Zaerath | What module is needed for the 3com 3csm905cx-txm? |
| 02:34.38 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 02:34.38 | dpkg | somebody said driver locator was To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 02:34.46 | \amethyst | tengulre: apt-file search /usr/bin/dot says package graphviz |
| 02:34.56 | abrotman | i thought he meant "." |
| 02:35.17 | Zaerath | I can't paste into that, I have no network on the box. |
| 02:36.38 | enouf | hiya, can anyone think of why any debian source pkg build fails after using make-kpkg, installing kernel, compiling anything afterwards shows basically the error checking how to run the C preprocessor... /lib/cpp configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check http://rafb.net/p/KzXf5y57.html |
| 02:36.58 | tengulre | \amethyst: OK ! yes I remember it ,tks!! |
| 02:37.41 | \amethyst | enouf: could you pastebin the config.log ? |
| 02:37.53 | abrotman | Zaerath: so type it in |
| 02:38.17 | enouf | if not, it's cool, it's NOT my broken setup, someone elses, though i made sure they're running Debian, and also checked MANY other things, symlinks and such to cpp, gcc, g++ |
| 02:38.33 | enouf | \amethyst: sure - i'll get the guy in here then - thanks |
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| 02:39.48 | enouf | \amethyst: perhaps of interest http://rafb.net/p/irbqSD68.html dpkg -l gcc* g++* output |
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| 02:40.39 | enouf | ferret_0567: ask away |
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| 02:40.56 | enouf | ferret_0567: and please post the config.log |
| 02:40.58 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: I cannot build any software |
| 02:41.03 | ferret_0567 | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/KzXf5y57.html |
| 02:41.23 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: there is the config.log for apt-get -b source openbox ^^^ |
| 02:41.34 | enouf | ferret_0567: tel the situation about your make-kpkg dewbacle and header issues |
| 02:41.40 | ferret_0567 | enouf: ok |
| 02:42.33 | enouf | ferret_0567: don't expect too much - many times people are very busy - as sometime i am as well |
| 02:42.41 | enouf | sometimes |
| 02:43.09 | \amethyst | that is the config output |
| 02:43.18 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: there is also a config.log file with more info in it |
| 02:43.20 | ferret_0567 | when I try to build software, I either 1.) get "C preprocessor fails the sanity check" from ./configure, or 2.) linux/limits.h is not found even when /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/linux/limits.h exists |
| 02:43.28 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: ok |
| 02:43.38 | ferret_0567 | I'll get it |
| 02:43.50 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: also, what version of debian? |
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| 02:43.59 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: lenny, the testing branch' |
| 02:44.10 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: then you'll need linux-libc-dev for the linux/limits.h |
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| 02:44.24 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: I think I have it installedd... |
| 02:44.24 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: userspace include files come from that package, not directly from the kernel |
| 02:44.25 | ferret_0567 | brb |
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| 02:44.45 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: it's installed alright :( |
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| 02:45.54 | enouf | great .. i just dropped and shattered a nice full glass of bicardi on the rocks all over my parquet oak floors .. nice |
| 02:47.03 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: the config.log for openbox is http://rafb.net/p/OKQChT89.html |
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| 02:47.38 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: and what does ls -l /usr/include/linux/limits.h say? |
| 02:47.49 | abrotman | 42! |
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| 02:48.29 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: |
| 02:48.29 | ferret_0567 | ls: /usr/include/linux/limits.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:48.45 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: sounds like you'll need to reinstall the linux-libc-dev package then |
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| 02:48.51 | ferret_0567 | ok |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | build-dep ? |
| 02:48.58 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: /usr/include/linux isn't a symlink is it? |
| 02:49.34 | ferret_0567 | dependency problems, removing anyway... |
| 02:49.47 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: removing? |
| 02:49.58 | \amethyst | I was thinking apt-get --reinstall install linux-libc-dev |
| 02:50.03 | ferret_0567 | oh |
| 02:50.06 | ferret_0567 | didn't know about that |
| 02:50.15 | enouf | \amethyst: just a fyi, thank you from me |
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| 02:50.34 | ferret_0567 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 992 2008-02-12 04:05 /usr/include/linux/limits.h |
| 02:50.50 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: try compiling now :) |
| 02:50.55 | ferret_0567 | now, let me try compiling... |
| 02:51.24 | ferret_0567 | hahaha! |
| 02:51.28 | ferret_0567 | it seems to be working! |
| 02:51.34 | sssslang | hi, all. i had install a etch into usb disk, and now i have a problem. everytime when i run startx or emacs, it won't start until a long period of time. could someone can help me? |
| 02:51.35 | \amethyst | congrats |
| 02:51.37 | ferret_0567 | ./configure worked |
| 02:51.42 | ferret_0567 | now make is running |
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| 02:52.40 | cTATUK | Is there a way to set up automated, non-GUI user login upon bootup? |
| 02:52.50 | ferret_0567 | hmm...you know, I'll just rename this LV to debian-root, and then make new gentoo-root, sourcemage-root beside it |
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| 02:53.14 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: it worked np! |
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| 02:56.37 | Muffie | hello all |
| 02:56.46 | Muffie | anyone tried to install kde4 on lenny? |
| 02:56.57 | enouf | ferret_0567: \amethyst: hi, i have to run for a while now - what was it? reinstalling linux-libc-dev that did it? |
| 02:57.45 | enouf | i thought a pkg ws perhaps not installed properly - i had exhausted all my tshooting abils prior to asding in here |
| 02:58.00 | enouf | anyways - bbl |
| 02:58.40 | Muffie | I'm having problems with it. Black screen after window loader |
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| 02:58.51 | abrotman | Muffie: #debian-kde |
| 02:58.58 | Muffie | thanks |
| 02:59.58 | \amethyst | enouf: yes |
| 03:00.11 | \amethyst | cTATUK: still here? |
| 03:00.35 | \amethyst | cTATUK: I figured out how to do it |
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| 03:00.46 | vn | hi, I'm installing a debian etch with soft raid but I don't understand, I did a raid partition on my 2 scsi drives, which gave me a software raid device and then I'm trying to create my partitions but as soon as I create the 1st partition it tells me the free space is unusable...I want to do more than one partitions, any tips? |
| 03:01.09 | \amethyst | cTATUK: first create a script that has just #! /bin/sh and /bin/login -f cTATUK |
| 03:01.18 | \amethyst | cTATUK: I called mine /usr/local/bin/autologin |
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| 03:02.19 | \amethyst | cTATUK: then in /etc/inittab replace the line 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 with 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -nl /usr/local/bin/autologin 38400 tty1 |
| 03:02.42 | \amethyst | cTATUK: the -n tells getty not to prompt for a username, and -l tells it to use the script for login instead of the normal /bin/login |
| 03:02.50 | ferret_0567 | enouf: yes, reinstalling linux-libc-dev fixed my problem |
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| 03:03.15 | \amethyst | cTATUK: in the script, login -f means to force the login without requiring authentication. it only works when run as root, but init runs all this stuff as root so it should be fine |
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| 03:08.34 | ferret_0567 | stupid GNU bc is making integers out of all my division operations :( |
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| 03:08.56 | ferret_0567 | like, 4 instead of 4.5 ... grrr... |
| 03:09.09 | vn | tried 4,5? |
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| 03:09.34 | ferret_0567 | time to get my trusty TI-83 graphing calculator, and no, you don't have to do weird crap line that vn |
| 03:09.42 | vn | k :p |
| 03:09.51 | nevyn | ferret_0567: bc is actually not as dumb as you think.. the output is never greater precision than the input |
| 03:09.56 | ferret_0567 | s/line/like/ |
| 03:10.02 | ferret_0567 | nevyn: oh |
| 03:10.08 | nevyn | so 3/2 =1 but 3.0/2 = 1.5 |
| 03:10.12 | \amethyst | nevyn: no |
| 03:10.21 | ferret_0567 | well, I need 7.15 / 2 |
| 03:10.25 | ferret_0567 | it gives me 4 |
| 03:10.29 | ferret_0567 | I doubt that result |
| 03:10.42 | nevyn | oh it might need to be 2.00 |
| 03:10.43 | \amethyst | division *always* use the value of scale, and doesn't care about the input scales |
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| 03:11.05 | \amethyst | scale=2; 7.15/2 |
| 03:11.29 | \amethyst | all the operations except div and mod use the input scales |
| 03:11.34 | \amethyst | I think it's kind of silly |
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| 03:11.51 | dserban | anything available for a java plugin on amd64 yet? |
| 03:12.01 | cafuego | ferret_0567: Just start it as 'bc -l' |
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| 03:12.16 | cafuego | dserban: icedtea has one that works just as well as no java plugin at all. |
| 03:12.22 | nevyn | ferret_0567: scale=4 |
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| 03:13.08 | dserban | cafuego, I need to support java for the 100+ debian workstations here... half of our vendors use java applets ... meh and all the 64 bit boxes run 32 bit debian as maintaining a chroot would be hell |
| 03:13.19 | ferret_0567 | defining scales manually sucks |
| 03:13.22 | dacs | hi, can i access my cpanel of my page from shell |
| 03:13.48 | cafuego | dserban: Here is an excellent reason for not running a 64bit desktop. |
| 03:13.56 | ferret_0567 | bc -l is better |
| 03:13.57 | simonrvn | bc -li loads the extra maths stuff |
| 03:14.00 | simonrvn | er, -l |
| 03:14.13 | ferret_0567 | but gives me a million 0's that I don't need |
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| 03:14.36 | ferret_0567 | oh well, so much for "pretty printing", as they call it |
| 03:14.46 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: yeah, -l sets scale to 20 |
| 03:14.46 | dserban | cafuego, thanks for your help :) |
| 03:14.58 | ferret_0567 | oh |
| 03:15.11 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: you can change scale to whatever you want |
| 03:15.11 | ferret_0567 | so that's why... |
| 03:15.11 | ferret_0567 | I know |
| 03:15.17 | ferret_0567 | you showed me how :) |
| 03:15.40 | ferret_0567 | err...nevyn |
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| 03:16.06 | sssslang | i start some program, a lot of --- SIGIO (I/O possible) @ 0 (0) --- sigreturn() = ? (mask now []) |
| 03:16.19 | sssslang | could someone help me? |
| 03:16.23 | simonrvn | that's nice |
| 03:16.53 | cafuego | sssslang: Not unless you specify a problem. |
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| 03:16.59 | \amethyst | sssslang: it would help if you told us what program, pastebinned its entire output |
| 03:17.29 | cafuego | Looks like a bunch of debug output if you ask me. |
| 03:17.44 | sssslang | i say the problem above. and now i use strace before the command, and get a lot of these code. |
| 03:18.08 | sssslang | cafuego: like emacs-nox, startx. |
| 03:18.31 | WickedMetalHead | Hello: im fairly new to linux/debian, I was wondering how different the procedure would be for securing an apache2/php/mysql box running etch from sarge? Most of the documents ive found seem to have been written for sarge |
| 03:19.05 | cafuego | WickedMetalHead: Pretty much the same; but with Etch you can throw SELinux on as well. |
| 03:19.33 | sssslang | \amethyst: but now it's ok. i don't know how to reproduce it. |
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| 03:19.59 | WickedMetalHead | cafuego: thanks :) Didn't want to to follow through them without knowing if there was large differences between the two, i'll google selinux as well :) |
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| 03:20.17 | vn | I'm installing a debian etch with soft raid but I don't understand, I did a raid partition on my 2 scsi drives, which gave me a software raid device and then I'm trying to create my partitions but as soon as I create the 1st partition it tells me the free space is unusable...I want to do more than one partitions, what can I do? or I'm doing something wrong.. |
| 03:20.51 | cafuego | vn: On the second go,a re you partitioning the raid device? |
| 03:21.17 | vn | soft raid device, yes |
| 03:21.25 | simonrvn | cafuego: hey there. what's up? |
| 03:21.36 | cafuego | simonrvn: twiddling myth |
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| 03:21.47 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 03:22.33 | vn | it also offer me to do something with head, cylinders etc |
| 03:22.46 | vn | but it comes back to the listing of the partitions |
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| 03:24.54 | Zaerath | Hey guys... General computing knowledge question. I accidentally turned off my machine while it was saving BIOS settings, now it won't boot, it just sits at the POSt screen. What can I do, if anything? |
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| 03:25.35 | fignew | Zaerath: desktop? |
| 03:25.38 | Zaerath | I considered flashing the BIOS, but that involves actually BOOTING to something, which it will not do at all. |
| 03:25.45 | Zaerath | Yeah it's a desktop computer, but I use it as a server. |
| 03:25.47 | Lovecraft | Zaerath: Try removing the battery for a bit. |
| 03:25.55 | vn | ow..I'd try to unplug the power, boot it, remove the battery 30secs |
| 03:26.03 | vn | put the battery back and plug it and try |
| 03:26.15 | vn | any beeps by the way? |
| 03:26.18 | Zaerath | Alright, I wasn't sure if that'd work or not, because I thought that just reset BIOS settings. |
| 03:26.22 | Zaerath | Yeah, the normal one POST beep. |
| 03:26.32 | Zaerath | But then it never shows the real POST screen, it just hangs at the MSI logo. |
| 03:27.18 | Zaerath | I hit "save and quit" in the BIOS then hit the power, and it turned off while the screen was black after saving but before POST, so yeah... :/ |
| 03:27.56 | Tramp | vn: I don't know the Debian installer, but do you have an option to use the raid-device as physical volume for an lvm-setup? |
| 03:28.00 | phorce1 | Zaerath: try the battery out reset -- if that fails you will probably have to talk to MSI about buying a fresh flashed bios for the MB or getting a .bin from someone else and a burner and reflashing yourself. |
| 03:28.50 | simonrvn | phorce1: that's something i didn't think of for a mobo of mine that's better than this one. thank you :) |
| 03:28.55 | vn | Tramp: I have the LVM possibility before creating a soft RAID device but not after |
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| 03:29.32 | phorce1 | Zaerath: If you were just changing bios settings and not actually flashing a bios upgrade when it happened then the battery-out trick should work. |
| 03:29.45 | Zaerath | phorce1: Thanks, trying it now.... Power off, battery out. |
| 03:29.50 | Zaerath | I need to boot with the battery out too right? |
| 03:29.52 | Tramp | vn: hmm. well, afaik you cannot partition an arbitrary block device (like the software-raid md*). Partitioning is an operation that applied to disks |
| 03:30.24 | phorce1 | Zaerath: look for the "reset bios" jumper and short it too. Can't hurt and should drain any caps that are holding power. |
| 03:30.30 | Tramp | vn: so it may be, that the installer does not support lvm on raid (but only raid on lvm) |
| 03:30.38 | Zaerath | It's an old Socket 478, I don't think it has one. |
| 03:30.38 | vn | Tramp: so I need to do one device per partition? |
| 03:31.01 | cafuego | vn: You can't partition an md device afaik. |
| 03:31.01 | phorce1 | Zaerath: model number? |
| 03:31.14 | vn | ok |
| 03:31.14 | Zaerath | MSI Intel 845 Pro. |
| 03:31.44 | cafuego | vn: But you can make a single aprtitioon on an md device and use it for LVM, then just use volumes |
| 03:32.40 | Tramp | cafuego: and does the debian-installer support that? if I understand it correctly, he has no lvm option after creating the raid |
| 03:33.01 | vn | yea |
| 03:33.05 | vn | or I can't find it.. |
| 03:33.57 | Zaerath | Yeah, I do not think it has one, phorce1. http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodnews&prod_no=291&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=170&cat3_no=4# |
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| 03:34.29 | cafuego | Tramp: it should, i've used it <heh> |
| 03:34.48 | vn | well all I want is to mirror my main partitions |
| 03:34.49 | semprix | hi i want to tail -f something and at the same time grepping a filtered result |
| 03:34.52 | semprix | how do i achieve it |
| 03:34.59 | phorce1 | Zaerath: I was looking for a pdf manual |
| 03:35.02 | semprix | tail -f /var/log/messages | grep sometext |
| 03:35.10 | cafuego | vn: So just run a single md0 |
| 03:35.34 | Zaerath | phorce1: Ahhh. |
| 03:35.38 | vn | uh? you lost me heh |
| 03:35.49 | Zaerath | That was the wrong one... |
| 03:35.55 | Zaerath | It's a slightly older model, here it is: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/845pro.htm |
| 03:36.03 | vn | on these drives, I'm gonna do / /var /usr and /boot |
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| 03:36.24 | cafuego | vn: Server? |
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| 03:37.15 | vn | cafuego: yup |
| 03:37.24 | cafuego | ah ok |
| 03:37.39 | vn | to replace my actual one that has kernel panics/bugs/oops and maybe a cpu problem |
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| 03:37.58 | rking | anyone familiar with symptoms like these?: 1) otherwise decently-behaved printer, prints one minute then suddenly stops. 2) test-page prints when initiated from printer. 3) lsusb shows the printer. 4) hp-testpage (from hplip) says "Unable to communicate with device" |
| 03:38.00 | vn | md0 is? |
| 03:38.26 | rking | i already tried rebooting the machine and power cycling the printer |
| 03:38.29 | cafuego | vn: What I usually do for raid1 is make two raid autodetect partitions on each disk. |
| 03:38.45 | cafuego | vn: One to use as /. One to use for LVM |
| 03:38.55 | Zaerath | phorce1: Baterry out trick worked, thanks a lot. |
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| 03:38.58 | cafuego | (optionally a third for swap) |
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| 03:39.09 | simonrvn | Zaerath: woot :) |
| 03:39.30 | cafuego | vn: So I geta /dev/md0 (first raid device) which is ext3 and is / |
| 03:39.36 | vn | autodetect partition? never heard of that |
| 03:39.39 | vn | ok |
| 03:39.43 | phorce1 | distracted -- customer call on phone |
| 03:39.52 | cafuego | vn: and /dev/md1 (second raid device) which I use for LVM |
| 03:39.52 | phorce1 | sorry |
| 03:40.22 | cafuego | vn: 'raid autodetect' is what fdisk calls it - it's 'Use for RAID' in the installer afaik. |
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| 03:40.36 | vn | ok |
| 03:40.52 | vn | lets start back again |
| 03:40.58 | Tramp | vn: since I don't know the installer, I don't know if the following makes sense: "Select the partition on your newly created RAID5 volume, itwill say: "Use as: do not use" - select this line, hit enter and make it a "physical volume for LVM" |
| 03:41.44 | Tramp | vn: it's quoted from http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 and seems to describe a "lvm on raid" setup |
| 03:42.15 | vn | ok I'm giving it a check but if its hardware raid.. |
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| 03:42.37 | dondelelcaro | vn: if it's hardware raid, then you just do lvm on top of partitions on the hardware raid |
| 03:42.45 | vn | heh it isn't |
| 03:42.50 | dondelelcaro | vn: lvm is pretty much transparent to how you actually partition it |
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| 03:42.54 | vn | its soft...im reading |
| 03:43.10 | cTATUK | thanks \amethyst |
| 03:43.16 | vn | can lvm alone do the job of mirorring 2 drives? is it better than soft raid1? |
| 03:43.28 | dondelelcaro | vn: no, it can't |
| 03:43.32 | Tramp | vn: lvm does not mirror |
| 03:43.34 | dondelelcaro | vn: all lvm does is jbod |
| 03:43.39 | cTATUK | also, does anyone know what script will be automatically executed upon user login? (non-X) |
| 03:43.54 | dondelelcaro | cTATUK: depends on the shell |
| 03:44.08 | vn | ok |
| 03:44.12 | dondelelcaro | cTATUK: generally .bashrc or .profile or similar gets run, though. man bash; if that's your shell. |
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| 03:44.25 | cTATUK | executed via inittab |
| 03:44.41 | cTATUK | difference between bashrc and profile? |
| 03:44.53 | dondelelcaro | cTATUK: again, see man bash; it has the full and complete explanation. |
| 03:45.13 | dondelelcaro | cTATUK: init doesn't run shells from inittab by default. |
| 03:45.33 | rking | HP printer problem (using hplip): decently-behaved printer prints one minute then stops responding; test page prints when initiated from printer; lsusb shows the printer; hp-testpage says "Unable to communicate with device" |
| 03:45.42 | rking | what sort of diagnostic tools could i try? |
| 03:45.49 | torrr | anyone knows the authorized key from="ip" with negation ! ? |
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| 03:45.53 | cTATUK | oh. how about not bash and just sh |
| 03:45.59 | torrr | I mean the syntax |
| 03:46.00 | cTATUK | even though i think sh is probably just a link to bash now |
| 03:46.01 | cafuego | it burns, it burns... |
| 03:46.02 | centosian | not sure whether this is a vim question or a debian question. How do I get syntax hilighting working on vim/debian? :syntax on gives me E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version: syntax on |
| 03:46.06 | torrr | I can't find an example |
| 03:46.12 | torrr | ??? |
| 03:46.21 | dondelelcaro | cTATUK: there's no such shell as sh; sh is just the default shell (which is often bash) |
| 03:46.22 | cafuego | centosian: You probably have vim-tiny or somesuch, install vim. |
| 03:46.25 | awualo | is there a program to send SMS to a mobile phone from my debian lenny? |
| 03:46.26 | techqbert | should a NAND compact flash card last 5+ years as a relatively idle web-server? |
| 03:46.27 | torrr | ^that was a question mark |
| 03:46.40 | centosian | thanks cafuego |
| 03:46.44 | cTATUK | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:46.47 | dondelelcaro | torrr: I can't follow what you're saking for |
| 03:46.56 | dondelelcaro | awualo: most providers have sms bridges that you can use |
| 03:47.11 | vn | uh I'm not sure...shal I put my /boot on that soft raid1 or on the ide drive? |
| 03:47.25 | dondelelcaro | techqbert: read cycle-wise it should be fine; write cycles is your only question |
| 03:47.27 | torrr | .ssh/authorized_keys2 has a from=" |
| 03:47.30 | rking | hrmm... is it possible that the problem is permissions? how does a usb printer get permissioned? |
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| 03:47.33 | awualo | dondelelcaro, you mean the telco that i subscribe to have a program for me to do it? |
| 03:47.36 | simonrvn | he'll need /boot on the drive itself |
| 03:47.47 | rking | (sudo hp-info works, while plain hp-info doesn't) |
| 03:47.52 | torrr | dondelelcaro, and I ask what the formant of the "!" in it |
| 03:47.56 | dondelelcaro | awualo: no, they should have an interface |
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| 03:48.15 | vn | simonrvn: ok so I can't really mirror a /boot? |
| 03:48.29 | dondelelcaro | torrr: man ssh_config and see the PATTERNS; section |
| 03:48.35 | vn | except with hard raid.. |
| 03:48.37 | dondelelcaro | vn: you can |
| 03:48.50 | dondelelcaro | vn: it's perfectly legitimate to have /boot be a raid1, in fact, that's how I suggest you do it |
| 03:49.00 | techqbert | dondelelcaro: hrm, that's what I've been hearing. maybe I should just pick up an old IDE drive somewhere |
| 03:49.11 | awualo | dondelelcaro, i subscribe to a broadband service but i can still use the phone. does that say anything about what i can do for SMS? |
| 03:49.21 | dondelelcaro | awualo: depends on your provider |
| 03:49.33 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: oh did that change? i thought you had to have a "real" /boot for / raid |
| 03:49.34 | dondelelcaro | awualo: some of them are 123456789@foo.bar.com; FE> |
| 03:49.40 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: it's never changed |
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| 03:49.51 | simonrvn | ok |
| 03:49.53 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 03:49.54 | vn | dondelelcaro: even if it's soft? dunno if it needs to load something to use that soft raid and if it happens before or after it needs /boot |
| 03:49.58 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: it just *must* be raid1 |
| 03:50.18 | dondelelcaro | vn: doesn't matter. raid1 appears at boot to be a normal device, so grub has no problem with it |
| 03:50.29 | vn | k |
| 03:50.34 | simonrvn | understood, thanks |
| 03:51.21 | rking | is plugdev the correct group for usb devices? |
| 03:51.28 | awualo | dondelelcaro, thks. |
| 03:51.43 | dondelelcaro | you just have to make sure that you put the grub bits in the mbr, and set up grub to use the device as if it were a normal device (ie, dev (hd0) /dev/sda root (hd0,0) setup (hd0); etc. or whatever is appropriate) |
| 03:51.51 | dondelelcaro | rking: depends on the device |
| 03:51.55 | torrr | dondelelcaro, man sshd and see FORMAT |
| 03:51.55 | rking | as in, my user acct cannot access /dev/bus/usb/001/*, and it needs to--how do i change that? |
| 03:52.03 | dondelelcaro | torrr: ? |
| 03:52.11 | rking | dondelelcaro: usb printer, showing up as bus 001 device 004 from lsusb |
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| 03:52.14 | torrr | dondelelcaro, and there from= |
| 03:52.25 | dondelelcaro | torrr: yes, and see where it refers you to the PATTERN section in sshd_config? |
| 03:52.28 | torrr | dondelelcaro, so you would see where is my problem |
| 03:52.53 | dondelelcaro | torrr: it even gives you an example of a negated from pattern. |
| 03:52.57 | torrr | dondelelcaro, I am still looking for it |
| 03:53.14 | dondelelcaro | torrr: man ssh_config; /PATTERNS; there's only 3 paragraphs there... |
| 03:53.55 | centosian | what's the 'proper' LANG setting for US english with debian & perl? Or, is en_US.UTF-8 the right thing to use, and if so, what do I need to install to get perl to not complain about it? |
| 03:53.56 | torrr | dondelelcaro, my ssh_config don't have any PATTERNS |
| 03:54.12 | torrr | dondelelcaro, I mean my man ssh_config |
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| 03:55.27 | bombshock | Hello. Is there a way to use apt-get command (from a Live cd) and and specify which drive u want to install/remove packages? |
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| 03:55.32 | dondelelcaro | torrr: which version of openssh-client do you have installed? |
| 03:55.42 | dondelelcaro | bombshock: what do you mean by drive? |
| 03:56.09 | dondelelcaro | bombshock: are you talking about the cdrom drive from which the packages will be retrieved? or are you talking about where they'll be installed? |
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| 03:56.28 | dondelelcaro | torrr: in any event, it's just !*.foo.com, where the ! applies only to the next pattern, patterns are separated by , |
| 03:56.30 | torrr | dondelelcaro, OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 |
| 03:56.42 | loganaden | greetings guys |
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| 03:56.57 | loganaden | I'm thinking of buying an asus eee today |
| 03:56.57 | dondelelcaro | torrr: ah, it's in 4.7p1-4; don't know about that version. |
| 03:56.58 | bombshock | dondelelcaro: if im using live cd unstead of installing something temporarily can i specify apt to install or remove something on hda1 for example? |
| 03:57.12 | dondelelcaro | bombshock: if you mount it and chroot, sure. |
| 03:57.34 | loganaden | wondering if it's worth it ? anybody has had experience with them, and I'm looking to replace xandros with debian-eee |
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| 03:57.49 | dondelelcaro | bombshock: there's no intrinsic option to apt-get to do it, though. [Well, there actually is, but explaining how to do it is not something I want to do.] |
| 03:58.02 | torrr | dondelelcaro, that is what I intuitivally thought but it didn't work |
| 03:58.12 | cTATUK | Is there a way to have a script automatically executed on system login but not if connecting via SSH? |
| 03:58.29 | dondelelcaro | torrr: what is your from line? |
| 03:58.29 | loganaden | how good is debian port of eee compared to other distro's port ? Is it stable as the other ports ? |
| 03:58.36 | bombshock | dondelelcaro: rofl... im just trying to delete this one package that hangs upon boot... want to prevent formatting my box! |
| 03:58.56 | dondelelcaro | bombshock: so just disable that package's init script temporarily. |
| 03:59.03 | torrr | dondelelcaro, from="!10.*.*.*" ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAA |
| 03:59.03 | dondelelcaro | bombshock: you don't even need a live cd to do that. |
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| 03:59.06 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 03:59.06 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 03:59.34 | torrr | dondelelcaro, and I have an other line in the same file |
| 03:59.56 | dondelelcaro | torrr: you need to have a positive match too |
| 04:00.07 | bombshock | dondelelcaro: i do if i cant even get into X or any of the shells! |
| 04:00.09 | Tramp | cTATUK: ssh sets some environment-variables on login. Write a script that checks for one of them and acts appropriately |
| 04:00.27 | torrr | dondelelcaro, I call it sees 127.0.0.1 and say that it is wrong |
| 04:00.30 | dondelelcaro | bombshock: yes, you can. You just use the single option at boot. |
| 04:01.24 | dondelelcaro | torrr: because it doesn't match one of the from patterns |
| 04:01.24 | simonrvn | 2 more factoids added to the bird bot |
| 04:01.30 | dondelelcaro | torrr: "Specifies that in addition to public key authentication, the canonical name of the remote host must be present in the comma-separated list" |
| 04:01.42 | dondelelcaro | torrr: the must there is important |
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| 04:02.06 | simonrvn | as in "you can't leave it out, it *HAS* to be there" |
| 04:03.30 | torrr | dondelelcaro, if I change the "!10.0.0.1" to "127.0.0.1" Then it logs in fine |
| 04:04.01 | torrr | dondelelcaro, what is a canonical name anyway? |
| 04:05.41 | dondelelcaro | torrr: of course, and it'll work fine if you have !10.0.0.1,127.0.0.1 in the from too. |
| 04:06.08 | dondelelcaro | torrr: and a canonical name is the ip and the reverse of the ip connected; foo.baz.com would be a canonical name. |
| 04:06.31 | dondelelcaro | (really, it's the complete name, but I'm talking about what it means in this case) |
| 04:06.42 | torrr | dondelelcaro, doesnt 127.0.0.1 belongs to the group !10.0.0.1 |
| 04:06.51 | dondelelcaro | torrr: no. |
| 04:07.02 | dondelelcaro | torrr: and the reason why is because 127.0.0.1 isn't in the list of from="" |
| 04:07.24 | dondelelcaro | torrr: you're thinking that the set starts with everyting, and it doesn't. It starts with nothing. |
| 04:07.42 | torrr | dondelelcaro, with nothing? |
| 04:07.55 | torrr | dondelelcaro, so !IP is no IP? |
| 04:07.59 | dondelelcaro | torrr: from="" means disallow from all hosts |
| 04:08.08 | dondelelcaro | torrr: not allow from any host |
| 04:08.23 | dondelelcaro | torrr: if you want allow from all hosts specified using from, it's from="*.*.*.*" |
| 04:08.46 | torrr | dondelelcaro, I want all except 10.*.*.* |
| 04:08.56 | dondelelcaro | torrr: then from="!10.*.*.*,*.*.*.*" |
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| 04:09.21 | torrr | dondelelcaro, this is some twisted logic, it should be in the man, it isn't trivial |
| 04:09.23 | Sal-------- | i know this is off topic, but does anyone have any experience streaming live video? |
| 04:09.31 | dondelelcaro | torrr: uh.. it isn't twisted, and it is in the manual. |
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| 04:09.45 | dondelelcaro | torrr: the very line I quoted to you is the precise explanation of what it's doing. |
| 04:09.51 | killown | can anyone help me? I am compiling an app and I get it error http://paste.la/355 |
| 04:10.03 | torrr | dondelelcaro, aha, then it is just my out of date etch |
| 04:10.19 | dondelelcaro | torrr: the line I quoted to you is almost assuredly in the etch manual too. |
| 04:10.46 | torrr | dondelelcaro, I have etch, and I don't have it |
| 04:11.12 | dondelelcaro | torrr: it does, I just looked at it, actually. |
| 04:11.58 | dondelelcaro | torrr: "Specifies that in addition to public key authentication, the canonical name of the remote host must be present in the comma-separated list [...]" |
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| 04:14.23 | torrr | dondelelcaro, I see |
| 04:15.47 | torrr | dondelelcaro, well I didn't udnerstand it. Given the canonical term + no examples + I expect ! to mean logical not, I think it is understandable that I didn't understand |
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| 04:16.32 | vn | on what factors am I supposed to base my decision if a partition is primary or logical? |
| 04:16.49 | vn | I always supposed everything is primary except data and swap partitions |
| 04:17.01 | torrr | dondelelcaro, I see that you are right, but still it is hard to get it from the man page |
| 04:17.18 | torrr | dondelelcaro, and thanks :D |
| 04:17.27 | torrr | dondelelcaro, it works now |
| 04:18.14 | bombshock | Would anyone know how i would go and about to add the tux logo while the verbose of the boot sequence run just like in other distros? |
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| 04:21.38 | kgoetz | bombshock: you need to use framebuffer, iirc |
| 04:21.46 | netdaemon | kgoetz, i got that enabled, no go |
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| 04:22.14 | netdaemon | just a simple vga=xxx to the kernel line in grub, correct? |
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| 04:26.53 | rking | one was to try to use acroread instead of evince, but it doesn't fill in the blanks. i tried formflow and pureedge, but both segfault when run under wine (and they have no native versions) |
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| 04:28.01 | rking | i have had marginal success by importing the image into inkscape, filling in the fields, printing out a blank form using evince, putting that page back into the printer, deleting the imported image of the form from the inkscape image, saving as .pdf from inkscape, and then printing that on top |
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| 04:28.24 | rking | but that, for some reason, is giving me a lot of trouble in alignment (i'd think an inch is an inch, but nope) |
| 04:28.57 | Tramp | must be an extremely important form |
| 04:29.07 | bombshock | lol |
| 04:29.10 | rking | i tried using imagemagick's `convert` to create a 300dpi image of the form, importing that into inkscape, and printing (after exporting to .pdf), but the resultant file is so big that it kills my printer to death |
| 04:29.49 | rking | Tramp: i deal with forms like these on a regular basis, and they are all very important to me (government job) |
| 04:30.10 | rking | i absolutely refuse to admit that the easiest thing would be to get a copy of windows and dual-boot |
| 04:31.54 | bombshock | lol why dont u try to get pdf writer working into wine or crossover office |
| 04:32.07 | rking | bombshock: hrmm... |
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| 04:33.08 | netdaemon | dosn't evince handle forms? |
| 04:33.23 | rking | netdaemon: i don't see that it does, maybe i'm missing something |
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| 04:33.40 | netdaemon | rking, what version of debian? |
| 04:33.54 | netdaemon | evince has had it since gnome 2.20 afaik |
| 04:34.08 | atperez | evince in testing now works with fillable forms |
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| 04:34.22 | rking | netdaemon: lenny/sid (evince --version says: GNOME evince 0.8.3) |
| 04:34.55 | atperez | But I still don't like too much how it displays text in filled fields |
| 04:35.12 | rking | atperez: i'd settle for ugly if it basically works |
| 04:35.41 | netdaemon | rking, evince --version GNOME evince 2.20.2 <--from lenny/sid |
| 04:35.55 | rking | this is the part that puzzles me--the simplicity of the problem. all we are doing is taking a /very basic/ raster image (the form: some text, some lines, not much else), and overlaying some more text. done. why is it kicking my bottom so hard? |
| 04:36.06 | rking | netdaemon: interesting... |
| 04:36.29 | netdaemon | rking, mine *is* mainly a sid box though, i can check the testing version i have available, i have both repos enabled |
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| 04:36.53 | torrr | dondelelcaro, do you know if it is possible to require a key and a password (both) ? |
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| 04:37.09 | netdaemon | rking, according to aptitude, thats the only version i have available... |
| 04:37.49 | netdaemon | rking, how recent was your last upgrade? |
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| 04:37.59 | rking | netdaemon: there is some version weirdness... i just upgraded, and it is saying: Preparing to replace evince 0.8.3-1 (using .../evince_2.20.2-1_i386.deb |
| 04:38.12 | netdaemon | lol |
| 04:38.13 | rking | netdaemon: a full upgrade? it's been >6wks |
| 04:38.21 | netdaemon | maybe that'll fix |
| 04:38.34 | rking | yeah |
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| 04:40.33 | atperez | When I use scribus to generate some fillable forms, I have no problems to fill them with acroread. |
| 04:41.06 | rking | maybe these aren't fillable forms - 2.20 doesn't seem to be any visibly different from 0.8 |
| 04:41.12 | rking | atperez: i'll try that |
| 04:41.36 | netdaemon | rking, gnome aps don't change dramaticly =\ |
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| 04:41.52 | rking | netdaemon: but the version #'s do, apparently? |
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| 04:42.14 | netdaemon | rking, i suppose, lol, try filling? |
| 04:42.21 | rking | i mean, a version difference of 1.6.x, and i can't see one difference |
| 04:42.34 | netdaemon | i can check a form with mine real quick just to be sure but i'm certain i'v done it before |
| 04:42.46 | rking | netdaemon: i guess this "form" is just a dumb, paper-oriented one, so evince can't know where the fields are |
| 04:43.10 | netdaemon | ahhh |
| 04:43.31 | atperez | Maybe it's that, if neither evince nor acroread can fill it |
| 04:44.31 | netdaemon | rking, http://www.infragard.net/membership/pdfs/unified_application0104.pdf <---you can test with that pdf |
| 04:45.42 | rking | scribus won't open the .pdf, saying it's "not an acceptable format" |
| 04:45.59 | netdaemon | odd |
| 04:47.02 | netdaemon | brb |
| 04:47.02 | rking | netdaemon: yep, that workes perfectly - although it is a little oddly displayed (grey rectangle fields, sans-serif input -> serif result), but it would work well enough for me |
| 04:47.27 | netdaemon | rking, i'v never printed from it, i'v only played with that feature |
| 04:47.28 | netdaemon | brb |
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| 04:48.51 | atperez | rking: scribus won't read your pdf. It can be used to create a fillable form to fill with acroread. |
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| 04:49.27 | rking | atperez: hrm.. so you clone the form you want to fill? or are you just saying that you've been able to make forms from scratch that have worked? |
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| 04:50.04 | atperez | The last: I have made forms from scratch |
| 04:50.08 | rking | aha |
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| 04:51.57 | rking | i just don't understand the inherent difficulty, here. at some point, the system will send postscript commands to the printer with the form itself. all i need is a few extra commands tacked on: "Put the text, ``Foo Barson" at 30,125... etc" |
| 04:52.15 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.16 | atperez | Oh |
| 04:53.10 | rking | torrr: you can make it so keyboard login is the only accepted method, iirc |
| 04:53.40 | torrr | rking, you mean instead of the key? |
| 04:53.45 | atperez | Mmm... I remember there's a package that can fill non-fillable forms, it's not like what you do with proper fillable forms, but it could help you. |
| 04:53.59 | \amethyst | torrr: you want to require both a key and a password? |
| 04:54.01 | atperez | Let me remember the name |
| 04:54.03 | rking | atperez: interesting |
| 04:54.12 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:55.32 | \amethyst | torrr: hmm... don't know if that is possible |
| 04:55.41 | torrr | I was thinking maybe the command= in the autherized_keys could be used to do that? |
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| 04:56.52 | \amethyst | torrr: you could make the command something like 'login username' I guess |
| 04:57.17 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:59.53 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:00.21 | \amethyst | torrr: hmm |
| 05:00.27 | \amethyst | torrr: yeah, just saw that |
| 05:00.40 | atperez | rking: The package is flpsed |
| 05:02.10 | rking | atperez: i just came across a tutorial talking about it ( http://www.linux.com/feature/113907 ). my only problem here is going to be getting a clean pdf->ps conversion-- i used pdftops before and got a donked-up output... i just tried pdf2ps and it looks like it might have done a better job |
| 05:02.48 | atperez | Oh |
| 05:03.55 | \amethyst | torrr: you could maybe write a script that combines sessreg (from x11-xserver-utils) and login |
| 05:04.14 | \amethyst | torrr: sessreg manipulates utmp and wtmp entries |
| 05:04.54 | rking | atperez: yeah... the fonts look weird after pdf2ps... like they were somehow rasterized and revectorized... i'll see if it's just a screen illusion, maybe the print comes out better. |
| 05:04.54 | torrr | manning |
| 05:05.01 | vn | how am I supposed to think when setuping a soft raid during etchs install? I create the same scheme on both my scsi disks (/boot / /var & /usr) with the use as : physical volume for RAID and then I configure RAID to link the disks? thats it? or I'm wrong/missing something |
| 05:05.20 | atperez | I also noted that |
| 05:05.47 | rking | atperez, netdaemon: thanks, btw. all others: thanks for putting up with my voluminous problem |
| 05:06.15 | rking | atperez: hey, good news - the print looks beautiful. i'll just have to ignore the sketchiness of the way, say, evince displays the .ps, but it looks to print just fine. |
| 05:06.15 | netdaemon | rking: not a problem |
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| 05:06.27 | atperez | Good |
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| 05:08.56 | rking | hey, flpsed imports .pdf's just fine - no need for an external program! (the tutorial i had must be out of date or something) |
| 05:09.07 | atperez | Aha |
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| 05:10.47 | rking | atperez: wow, seriously, this solved a problem that has been bothering me for a while. i have been so busy i haven't been able to really solve it with anything but frustrating hacks. #debian to the rescue, as usual |
| 05:11.10 | atperez | What kind of form is it? If it's not problem for you, I can create a fillable form to be filled with acroread |
| 05:12.33 | rking | atperez: well, the thing is... it's one of any of hundreds that i might need at any time... it's Department of the Army/Department of Defense/etc forms |
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| 05:12.43 | atperez | Oh |
| 05:12.48 | rking | atperez: it looks like flpsed will do very close to what i need |
| 05:13.39 | rking | the only advantage of formflow/pureedge (the recommended, but windows-only software) is that i could keep it electronic (i.e., email them with data intact). but, for some strange reason, all we ever do is fill them out electronically and print them |
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| 05:21.40 | rking | atperez: have you checked out the batch mode? after you use the flpsed gui, you can then repopulate the fields via stdin... that's pretty awesome |
| 05:22.37 | atperez | Oh, I hadn't checked that. Thanks for the tip |
| 05:22.40 | rking | [urr.. not stdin, it's the -t command-line flag] |
| 05:24.59 | tengulre | which tool is good for manage & monitor & small & easy configure iptables firwall under linux? |
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| 05:28.33 | iateadonut | debian and other linux distro's freeze on an old computer. i'm thinking it could be RAM or something. anyone know any of the common causes of freezing? |
| 05:29.31 | netdaemon | bad modules could do it too |
| 05:29.31 | jescis | Depends more than the distro. |
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| 05:29.49 | netdaemon | ndiswrapper...nvidia....those have been known to freeze systems |
| 05:30.09 | babilen | hi all! Is there any way to get information on the compile options of debian packages? |
| 05:30.49 | babilen | Like for example an answer to the question: "is vim compiled with python support?" |
| 05:32.06 | jescis | Get the sources? |
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| 05:33.24 | babilen | jescis: how will that answer my question? You mean that i have to disect the .deb file myself? |
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| 05:34.07 | jescis | no, get the source code and read the beginning part. |
| 05:34.46 | jescis | like perl starts with #! |
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| 05:36.07 | babilen | jescis: the vim source code? The only thing that i will learn from that is that vim has an configure option which lets will enable/disable python scripting support. I still do not know if the debian maintainer decided to compile the binaries distributed by debian with that option. |
| 05:36.35 | nevyn | babilen: if you look you'll see that there are a number of vim packages in the debian repository |
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| 05:38.00 | babilen | nevyn: vim is jsut an example, i know that it is compiled with python support. I meant a more general way to get that information for any given debian package. |
| 05:38.07 | babilen | s/jsut/just |
| 05:38.15 | nevyn | there's pkg-config |
| 05:38.35 | nevyn | which should show you the link information and there's the dependancies |
| 05:38.44 | rking | babilen: not the upstream vim tarball, but if you do: apt-get source foopkg, you'll get the exact same stuff that the maintainers use when they run "debian rules/binary" which produces the .deb |
| 05:39.04 | rking | babilen: though nevyn's answer sounds like a more direct way to get the info. =) |
| 05:39.16 | nevyn | rking: but for example vim there's one source package that generates multiple binary packages |
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| 05:39.38 | rking | nevyn: good point, too |
| 05:40.17 | babilen | i am more concerned with configure options (like the summarization screen you get after './configure' runs.... |
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| 05:40.50 | babilen | not the exact libraries a binary is linked to. |
| 05:41.25 | xerophyte | i have server load is low but, time to time i have problem ssh to the server .. does anybody know what could be the reason |
| 05:41.39 | xerophyte | its not the firewall something to do ith network resource on the server |
| 05:41.45 | rking | babilen: i bet you'll find that if you apt-get source and then look at debian/rules |
| 05:42.02 | nevyn | actually ldd is the right answer for what is binary foo on my system linked to not pkg-confg |
| 05:42.15 | nevyn | pkg-config generates the correct -lfoo line for libfoo |
| 05:42.32 | babilen | rking: ok, i was just wandering if there was something like 'apt-cache configure-flags fooBar' |
| 05:42.36 | rking | nevyn: right... but even then it doesn't give hints about the statically-compiled options |
| 05:42.37 | babilen | nevyn: exactly... |
| 05:42.48 | rking | babilen: there might be, but i don't know of it |
| 05:42.52 | dlynes | I'm using Debian Etch (latest downloadable iso), but I'm running into a block on bootup; it refuses to go further, and I've tried generic.all_generic_ide=1, noacpi, noapic, nolapic, all to no avail...my pastebin is at: http://pastebin.ca/942061 |
| 05:43.29 | rking | babilen: the problem is that it would be tough to make something that applies to all packages... think about how many different types of packages there are. for example, what would "apt-cache show-flags foo-doc" produce? |
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| 05:47.01 | jescis | rking: was I wrong in what I said? Because that's what I thought he(babilen) was asking -_- |
| 05:48.16 | rking | jescis: no, i think you were the most right the most earliest in the conversation... i was just clarifying that you weren't saying, "Go to vim.org and find the source repository.", but instead saying "use apt-get source and see what the Debian maintainer is doing." |
| 05:48.43 | jescis | ah, ok |
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| 05:49.23 | babilen | jescis: A lot of programs can be tailored to your needs at compile time and let you configure certain optional features. Like in "I want mutt to have IMAP support". I was aksing about these choices. (That is actually what the gentoo USE flag buzz is all about" |
| 05:49.56 | rking | babilen: gentoo use flag = ? |
| 05:50.31 | babilen | rking: you can define a set of use flags in Gentoo which will translate to specific compile flags. |
| 05:50.45 | nevyn | use flags are a gentooism that allow you to globably define the compile options for programs that support such options |
| 05:51.08 | nevyn | never compile the gtk support into anything on the system but always compile the qt support |
| 05:51.37 | rking | ahh |
| 05:51.39 | babilen | rking: which allows you to tailor programs to your exact needs. (Although i never had the case that i had to compile a program by myself on debian because i was missing anything) |
| 05:52.12 | nevyn | babilen: I think dd's are basically expected to follow a kitchensync aproach to reduce bugs |
| 05:52.31 | babilen | rking: and even if there are contrary choices like "gtk or qt?" debian usually ships two packages... |
| 05:52.54 | nevyn | cause otherwise people file bugs against the package you didn't enable big5 support |
| 05:53.11 | nevyn | which are justifiable bugs |
| 05:53.32 | babilen | nevyn: i completely agree. |
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| 05:54.22 | nevyn | I wish autoconf let you do ./configure --enable-kitchensync except now kde has a syncronisation mechinism/library called kitchensync |
| 05:54.25 | nevyn | BAH |
| 05:54.31 | nevyn | namespace collisions suck. |
| 05:55.13 | jescis | I'm still pretty noobish when linux is involved. But everyone starts as a noob, and can't be a guru overnight(like rome) |
| 05:55.27 | jescis | imo |
| 05:56.19 | nevyn | I probably should play with gentoo.. |
| 05:56.41 | nevyn | BUT... I'm really comefortable with debian I know it's quirks. and life's complicated enough I think |
| 05:56.57 | babilen | nevyn: nevyn i much rather have a decent implementation of do_what_i_mean() in C |
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| 05:57.13 | zinx | babilen: syntax error near do |
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| 05:57.46 | nevyn | and I've got enough going on getting my puppet stuff together. |
| 05:58.02 | babilen | nevyn: Gentoo is fun and you learn a lot about linux. You start hating it when you realize that there are just way too many packages in the repositories which are not maintained as well as those in debian. |
| 05:58.32 | babilen | zinx: ? |
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| 05:59.01 | jescis | I'm liking my guiless debian. (Xserver won't work with nv selected for my Nvidia FX 5200) |
| 05:59.01 | ricosecada | Where can I see, what usergroups can do? |
| 05:59.31 | ricosecada | What rights does a user get, when he is assigned to a specific group, where can I see that? |
| 06:00.01 | nevyn | babilen: it comes down to.. debian policy procedures and packages for me. |
| 06:00.20 | nevyn | and everywhere else policy's and procedures are not as consistant and reliable as debian |
| 06:00.37 | nevyn | and if something is inconsistant it's a bug |
| 06:00.37 | babilen | ricosecada: have a look at the file permissions for all files belonging to that group. |
| 06:01.19 | nevyn | ricosecada: for some system groups it'll be in either the install guide or the policy docs |
| 06:01.27 | nevyn | like adm plugdev netdev etc. |
| 06:01.35 | ricosecada | thanks |
| 06:02.01 | wols_ | jescis: this I don't believe |
| 06:02.16 | rking | jescis: what about the generic svga? |
| 06:02.24 | nevyn | vesa |
| 06:02.55 | ricosecada | How can I allow a second user to upgrade the system using apt without giving him access to the root account? |
| 06:03.06 | jescis | svga worked when I used it running mplayer |
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| 06:03.23 | wols_ | ricosecada: can't |
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| 06:03.37 | quentusrex | Can someone help me learn how to debug a memory leak? |
| 06:03.37 | wols_ | ricosecada: not totally true: sudo |
| 06:03.39 | iateadonut | wols_: can't sudo do that? |
| 06:03.44 | rking | ricosecada: the two are one and the same. if you can install a package, you can root the box |
| 06:03.46 | babilen | ricosecada: you can use sudo for that. That will allow the user to run certain commands (or all commands) with super user rights.. |
| 06:03.46 | nevyn | ricosecada: sudo can grant limited access to privilaged commands |
| 06:03.57 | ricosecada | thanks! |
| 06:04.01 | nevyn | that said wols_ is correct. |
| 06:04.07 | wols_ | but: if he's only minimally clever he can get full root then |
| 06:04.34 | nevyn | all he needs to do is install a package that he created with a suid script |
| 06:04.48 | rking | nevyn: thank you |
| 06:04.56 | wols_ | rking: same outcome |
| 06:04.59 | nevyn | rking: I was getting there. |
| 06:05.10 | GPenguin | rking: can you please adjust your language |
| 06:05.15 | rking | nevyn: then you are not one that i would urinate on. |
| 06:05.26 | rking | GPenguin: ah, sorry. |
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| 06:05.31 | wols_ | GPenguin: do you have a fucking problem with us? |
| 06:05.49 | GPenguin | wols_: especially with your attitude i have a problem, yes |
| 06:05.50 | jescis | lol |
| 06:06.00 | wols_ | I don't give a fuck |
| 06:06.20 | GPenguin | wols_: thats alright. i know people who can fix you up in case you become too much of a problem |
| 06:06.22 | wols_ | GPenguin: this channel is not #ubuntu |
| 06:06.36 | wols_ | GPenguin: the trigger is !ops and no they won#t bother |
| 06:06.49 | GPenguin | wols_: i mean other people outside of this channel |
| 06:07.00 | wols_ | opers? they won't either |
| 06:07.11 | GPenguin | wols_: dont be too sure |
| 06:07.16 | wols_ | GPenguin: I am |
| 06:07.24 | wols_ | GPenguin: you are welcome to try |
| 06:07.30 | GPenguin | arrogance and ignorance is a bliss sometimes |
| 06:07.46 | fignew | GPenguin: you bet, we love it :D |
| 06:08.06 | GPenguin | "mom, today i played god on a chat room, can i have extra sauce" |
| 06:08.15 | jescis | other than the staff for freenode. No one outside a channel can do anything |
| 06:08.27 | wols_ | the only one who wants to play god and impose his rules here is you |
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| 06:08.51 | GPenguin | wols_: i asked for non-violent language and you escalate the situation |
| 06:08.53 | wols_ | GPenguin: or did I tell you how to tale? |
| 06:08.57 | wols_ | *talk |
| 06:09.16 | wols_ | at most this is a OT discussion in which case we both are guilty |
| 06:09.28 | GPenguin | wols_: what does that "A." stand for in "A. Klingenstein"? |
| 06:09.37 | wols_ | my christian name |
| 06:09.41 | GPenguin | which is? |
| 06:09.43 | wols_ | Alexander |
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| 06:10.04 | GPenguin | wols_: ok Alexander. i have enough of your abusive attitude. fix yourself or i will escalate the situation |
| 06:10.07 | jescis | the GREAT!! |
| 06:10.25 | wols_ | I won't fix a fucking thing. if you have a problem with me, go ahead |
| 06:10.25 | fignew | this is hilarious :P |
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| 06:10.46 | GPenguin | wols_: mind me asking another question. how old are you? |
| 06:10.50 | wols_ | please fix your attitude telling how others to behave |
| 06:10.58 | fignew | GPenguin: Fuck yea! |
| 06:11.10 | Gigantic | Hi, loading webpages has become too slow lately, I have checked browsers, memory, cpu, network settings, changed dns, speedtest,net show almost normal speed, but still slow loading webpages, any idea wtf is going on |
| 06:11.14 | wols_ | probably older than you think and more immature too in your thinking I guess |
| 06:11.15 | jescis | lol, Hell yeah!! |
| 06:11.29 | GPenguin | wols_: my question was much simpler than that. how old are you? |
| 06:11.31 | wols_ | Gigantic: anything else using the network? |
| 06:11.44 | Gigantic | only pc in here, short cable, no changes |
| 06:11.46 | wols_ | GPenguin: how old are you? what's your real name? |
| 06:11.57 | wols_ | Gigantic: what exactly is slow? |
| 06:11.59 | liable | GPenguin: and its offtopic. take it elswhere. |
| 06:12.23 | Gigantic | just loading webpages, mldonkey run quite fast when up, |
| 06:12.24 | GPenguin | wols_: i think you should prepare for school |
| 06:12.25 | wols_ | GPenguin: ideally you go away and complain now. do what you promised, please |
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| 06:12.26 | fignew | Gigantic: ping the IPs in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:12.35 | GPenguin | !ops |
| 06:12.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 06:12.35 | wols_ | actually I should go for work soonish |
| 06:12.38 | Gigantic | take 30 secs waiting for reply >.< |
| 06:12.46 | rking | Gigantic: you gotta start eliminating bottlenecks: is it the network (try downloading something with 'wget')? is it the cpu (watch 'top')? is it not enough ram causing swapping (listen to the hard disk, watch top with the M key)? etc |
| 06:12.51 | fignew | awww daymn |
| 06:12.52 | GPenguin | !ops check the backlog of the last 15 minutes. thank you. |
| 06:12.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gpenguin complains about: check the backlog of the last 15 minutes. thank you. |
| 06:12.55 | Gigantic | fignew: 55 secs |
| 06:12.58 | rking | ok, so it's network |
| 06:13.05 | ricosecada | Gigantic: Have you tested using ftp, and perhaps tried another browser to figure out, if its a browser specific problem? |
| 06:13.06 | Gigantic | fignew msec |
| 06:13.13 | fignew | Gigantic: ohhh ;) |
| 06:13.13 | wols_ | Gigantic: could uit be DNS? if you load a BIG file, is only the resolution of DNS which takes long? |
| 06:13.19 | Gigantic | as I said... I did :p |
| 06:13.30 | fignew | well it's not DNS |
| 06:13.37 | Gigantic | Dunno, I'm using opendns now |
| 06:13.43 | wols_ | Gigantic: do a ping on some site. how long until the first reply hits and how big is tha latency |
| 06:13.48 | fignew | ohh... opendns is weaksause |
| 06:13.51 | fignew | sauce* |
| 06:13.53 | ricosecada | Gigantic: So you tested several browsers, and its only browsers that are slow? |
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| 06:14.10 | rking | Gigantic: i bet it's just your ISP deciding to be cheap and screw you. like how verizon decided to usurp dns failures and send a reply that reroutes to their own lame search page |
| 06:14.44 | Gigantic | yahoo and debian.org reply ~140 |
| 06:15.02 | wols_ | Gigantic: ms? that is normal for you? it certainly isn't 55s :) |
| 06:15.04 | Gigantic | ricosecada That is correct |
| 06:15.15 | wols_ | Gigantic: and how long until the first reply comes? |
| 06:15.21 | Gigantic | lol 55 ping my dns server :P |
| 06:15.44 | wols_ | Gigantic: another possibility is a congested ISP network or a mandatory proxy on port 80 |
| 06:15.54 | wols_ | a proxy which sucks that is |
| 06:16.17 | Gigantic | ... |
| 06:16.30 | Gigantic | proxy... isp ? |
| 06:16.55 | wols_ | yes a proxy at your ispß. have you tried a LIveCD or another OS install maybe? |
| 06:17.31 | dondelelcaro | torrr: have keys that require a password is how you do it. |
| 06:17.40 | Gigantic | haven't... but if the proxy is at the ISP what the diff would be |
| 06:17.58 | dondelelcaro | GPenguin: if you have a problem with the language that someone is using, the best thing is to /ignore that person instead of attacking them for it. |
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| 06:18.43 | torrr | dondelelcaro, I talked with someone in openssh, we found command="su - $USER" works |
| 06:18.55 | dondelelcaro | torrr: for what? |
| 06:18.55 | GPenguin | dondelelcaro: i asked politely to adjust the language and i was target of massive flaming. and i expect you to fix wols_ - if you refuse to fix wols_ i am forced to escalate the situation further |
| 06:19.10 | dondelelcaro | GPenguin: you've already escalated it to as high as it goes. |
| 06:19.21 | GPenguin | dondelelcaro: you underestimate the situation then |
| 06:19.21 | torrr | dondelelcaro, for login with key and then being required a password too |
| 06:19.22 | troubled | heh |
| 06:19.46 | troubled | wols_: ta |
| 06:19.49 | GPenguin | dondelelcaro: i wont sit on any channel and watch how regulars are flaming and attacking other people |
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| 06:20.05 | troubled | GPenguin: /ignore or /silence |
| 06:20.15 | dondelelcaro | GPenguin: you interactions aren't helping the situtation either. |
| 06:20.16 | GPenguin | troubled: that wont lecture wols_ on the network policy |
| 06:20.16 | wols_ | GPenguin: I did never flame or insult you, please stay with the true |
| 06:20.19 | wols_ | *truth |
| 06:20.21 | Gigantic | :O |
| 06:20.34 | GPenguin | wols_: you are simply too young to battle me |
| 06:20.46 | troubled | GPenguin: if wols_ was in violation of policy, he would have been removed by now |
| 06:20.54 | dondelelcaro | GPenguin: we aren't terribly strict about the language that people use, so long as they aren't attacking people. If that's a problem for you, best to /ignore those people. |
| 06:21.04 | Gigantic | Guess what did I find, pinging my dsl modem has 500 msec response even tho direct ping to dns server take 50 msecs, wtf wtf wtf |
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| 06:21.13 | GPenguin | dondelelcaro: you are the channel contact regarding the network policy, right? |
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| 06:21.19 | dondelelcaro | GPenguin: yes. |
| 06:21.23 | Gigantic | stop fighing |
| 06:21.28 | GPenguin | dondelelcaro: and you are a debian developer, right? |
| 06:21.31 | dondelelcaro | Gigantic: that's not all that surprising. |
| 06:21.34 | Gigantic | *discussing |
| 06:21.36 | wols_ | Gigantic: try another OS install. if it persists you know it'S debian somewhoe |
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| 06:21.40 | wols_ | *somehow |
| 06:21.41 | dondelelcaro | GPenguin: yes. |
| 06:21.50 | troubled | dondelelcaro: arent you confusing yourself with EE? |
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| 06:21.55 | dondelelcaro | (though that doesn't really matter, as this channel isn't official) |
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| 06:22.11 | GPenguin | dondelelcaro: so if you refuse to stop people on this channel from flaming and attacking people, i am forced to address a higher level above you |
| 06:22.11 | factor | anyone having problems with kde and testing or unsatable |
| 06:22.23 | factor | unstable even^ |
| 06:22.25 | troubled | although i do agree that you are about as high up as you can get :) |
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| 06:23.21 | dondelelcaro | GPenguin: I've explained why I haven't done anything; if you continue to bring this up here, I'll be forced to silence you. If you aren't satisfied, there's really no one else you can appeal to. |
| 06:23.32 | rking | GPenguin is attacking with netsplits! |
| 06:23.32 | troubled | GPenguin: you don't understand. dondelelcaro _is_ the highest level as far as this channel goes |
| 06:23.36 | GPenguin | dondelelcaro: no need to comment any further |
| 06:23.36 | rking | there is no mercy |
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| 06:24.25 | dondelelcaro | rking: egging someone on isn't really required either. |
| 06:24.49 | rking | dondelelcaro: right... sorry... |
| 06:24.56 | factor | konqueror seems to be borked under testing or unstable right now. |
| 06:25.10 | guess | I have ubuntu patition and some debian based partitions in my machine. I installed windows above that. Now once again I want to install a debian based partition. But when I select manual partitioning option it is not showing any of my old partitions. How to solve it? |
| 06:25.11 | dondelelcaro | factor: check the bts; if it is, someone will have filed bugs. |
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| 06:30.03 | Gigantic | tell me it isn't kinda impssible to break the passwd of a .rar :P |
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| 06:30.22 | wols_ | guess: do the debian partitions still exist or have you (accidentally) overwritten them? |
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| 06:30.38 | wols_ | Gigantic: it is if it's a good one. brute force it is then |
| 06:31.14 | guess | wols_, it is there still. |
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| 06:31.43 | Gigantic | :s |
| 06:31.43 | guess | wols_, i am currrently using those partition |
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| 06:32.50 | Gigantic | ok, take care see ya later |
| 06:33.17 | wols_ | guess: via debian? |
| 06:33.35 | wols_ | guess: and if so, what controller do you have (hdd controller) |
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| 06:34.01 | wols_ | if debian doesn't show any disk partitions the installer might not recognize it, in this case /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 06:40.02 | what_if | could someone please double check my apt-setup for the debian installer at http://pastebin.ca/942105 :) :) |
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| 06:40.45 | what_if | burning it to disk and installing it to find its wrong takes a long time |
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| 06:49.08 | guess | wols_, what's that command/ |
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| 06:59.17 | jim_p | hi |
| 07:00.31 | jim_p | how can i change the permissions of ntfs-3g inside /usr/bin so that every user can access my drives? i have already done the relevant configuration inside fstab |
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| 07:01.48 | krinns | helo |
| 07:01.57 | krinns | any one works on amavis-stats |
| 07:03.08 | jim_p | !ntfs-3g |
| 07:03.09 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
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| 07:17.45 | vn | I wonder, I just installed debian on a computer with 2 scsi in soft raid1 and 1 ide and its not booting...I see the bios screens and then just a black screen with a blinking _ on the top left |
| 07:18.02 | vn | when it installs the MBR...on which disk(s) is it installed? |
| 07:18.20 | vn | is there something I should know about boot and scsi/raid? its my first experience with them and linux |
| 07:20.25 | dhh | vn, have you got grub or lilo as your boot loader? |
| 07:21.28 | vn | it didn't ask me, but it mentioned grub so I guess its grub |
| 07:22.46 | dhh | It seems you have not install grub correctly. and which disk do you boot from? |
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| 07:25.33 | vn | thats another thing |
| 07:25.44 | vn | I did put the boot partition on the software raid1 |
| 07:25.55 | vn | and put it bootable on both devices |
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| 07:27.16 | dhh | The bios will find the boot disk and read the boot sector from it. In this case, bios have not find the disk with boot sector(grub) |
| 07:27.37 | dhh | so, it just display _ |
| 07:27.41 | vn | the install did not ask me on which disk I wanted it to write |
| 07:27.46 | vn | scsi or ide |
| 07:29.26 | dhh | vn, ok, then the question is what is the boot sequence you set in bios? |
| 07:29.55 | vn | scsi1, scsi0 |
| 07:31.38 | vn | am I right setting the boot flag on both /boot partitions on both SCSIs? |
| 07:32.06 | dhh | yeah, ok, in case soft raid1, the scsi1 and scsi0 is same. so if they fail to boot, change first boot to ide disk. |
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| 07:32.45 | vn | ok |
| 07:32.52 | vn | you think the mbr might be on the ide? |
| 07:33.03 | dhh | yes. :) |
| 07:33.07 | vn | k :) |
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| 07:33.57 | iateadonut | does anyone know how to start memtest86? i apt installed already, but memtest86 does nothing, nor does whereis memtest86. |
| 07:34.44 | vn | ah voila |
| 07:34.52 | vn | install says gub-install on hd0 |
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| 07:35.11 | dhh | hd means ide disk |
| 07:35.14 | vn | iateadonut: I'm not sure but you might have a boot image for memtest |
| 07:35.21 | dhh | scsi is sd |
| 07:35.46 | dhh | memtest86, you need reboot, the grub have a menu to select |
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| 07:38.49 | vn | weird, cant get the bios to see the ide drive |
| 07:39.00 | iateadonut | my grub is not on my debian partition, but i do have a memtest.bin in my /boot directory on my debian partition. |
| 07:39.15 | iateadonut | should i change my grub menu.lst or will it be detected? |
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| 07:40.42 | vn | well thanks dhh, found the problem |
| 07:40.55 | vn | gonna fix it tomorrow, its 4 am and going to work at 9 |
| 07:40.56 | vn | :p |
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| 07:41.44 | dhh | :) |
| 07:42.54 | factor | anyone else having problems with kde under testing or unstable |
| 07:43.43 | factor | konqueror seems to be borked |
| 07:44.13 | factor | it is perfect for checking for how ie web poages look like |
| 07:44.19 | factor | now its wont work under debian |
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| 07:44.52 | dhh | iateadonut, see /usr/share/doc/memtest86/examples/grub-menu.lst |
| 07:45.11 | eap | factor: not using kde, but from what I saw in the repo, its seems to be in a state of flux, 4.0 is coming in, it would seem |
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| 07:47.10 | factor | I agree I stepped back to testing but now testing is eaven borked |
| 07:47.17 | factor | its works in stable |
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| 07:47.58 | factor | I have a test machine running debian and ubuntu stable is how I can test the web pages but would like to find a way to get konq to work under testing or unstable |
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| 07:48.28 | mrts | is there a way to termine memory type in a box? |
| 07:48.44 | iateadonut | dhh: thanks. all set up now. |
| 07:48.56 | mrts | something like lspci |
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| 07:50.46 | mrts | (albeit lspci doesn't report memory type) |
| 07:50.56 | wols_ | read-dimms |
| 07:50.58 | wols_ | dmidecode, etc |
| 07:51.28 | mrts | ha, found it |
| 07:51.30 | mrts | lshw |
| 07:51.32 | wols_ | mrts: what chipset, what CPU? just checked, it's decode-dimms |
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| 07:51.45 | mrts | lshw does it as well |
| 07:51.47 | wols_ | decode-dimms reads the SPD eeproms and gives you the actual speed they use |
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| 07:52.03 | mrts | wols_, nice thanks |
| 07:52.05 | wols_ | lshw I think gives you only the ram socket type |
| 07:52.11 | mrts | yep |
| 07:52.56 | mrts | wols_, apt-cache install decode-dimms? |
| 07:53.03 | mrts | s/cache/get/ |
| 07:53.20 | dhh | How can I know my cpu support 64bit or not? |
| 07:53.47 | mrts | lm-sensors |
| 07:53.56 | wols_ | i2c-tools, but might only be available in sid. and you need to modprobe eeprom first |
| 07:54.03 | wols_ | dhh: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 07:54.15 | wols_ | if "lm" flag is there it is 64bit capable |
| 07:54.51 | iateadonut | has anyone used kernel-patch-badram - Kernel patch allowing to use partly-bad RAM modules ? does anyone know if there are similiar utilities on other kernels? |
| 07:54.59 | dhh | wols_ is amd and intel both support this flag? |
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| 07:55.51 | wols_ | yes |
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| 07:56.12 | dhh | wols_ : thanks :) |
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| 08:07.55 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 08:08.30 | Ace2016 | i'm really missing my xp task bar, i have a vm with XP in it, and the taskbar seems so much nicer than my current pannel setup :( |
| 08:09.08 | maligor | the green one with shiny colors? |
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| 08:10.04 | Ace2016 | no the blue one with the green start button |
| 08:10.26 | maligor | heh, whatever, you can configure the panel to be something similar if you like |
| 08:10.59 | Ace2016 | it seems to go very well with my wallpaper, avant is just starting to look worse and worse every day, the gnome desktop and battry icons are really dull, i wish i knew how to replace those |
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| 08:11.23 | Ace2016 | no its the cool blue colour i'm missing, and the whole green and blue look |
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| 08:11.34 | jelly-home | themes! |
| 08:11.40 | Ace2016 | and how the menu buttons are so nicely beveled |
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| 08:23.39 | kakashi_ | what is the "package name" for realpayer when doing aptitude install? |
| 08:24.58 | siimo | kakashi_: didnt think it was free |
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| 08:26.02 | kakashi_ | hoi! then how do I play real media' ? |
| 08:26.02 | wols_ | helixplayer I think |
| 08:26.08 | wols_ | helix is in the name |
| 08:26.19 | kakashi_ | ah! wols_ let me try |
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| 08:26.27 | cy_` | hello |
| 08:27.01 | kakashi_ | wols_: it is helix-player! |
| 08:27.04 | kakashi_ | great |
| 08:27.06 | kakashi_ | thanks |
| 08:27.24 | siimo | and it will not be able to play real media |
| 08:27.45 | wols_ | siimo: why not? isn't it their "free" version? |
| 08:27.46 | siimo | its a free version of the player so includes no real codec |
| 08:27.56 | siimo | codes are not OSS only the player is |
| 08:28.16 | wols_ | kakashi_: try mplayer then |
| 08:28.21 | Ace2016 | why not just use mplayer |
| 08:28.24 | Ace2016 | beet me to it |
| 08:28.46 | siimo | i use VLC |
| 08:28.57 | siimo | but i dont have any real media |
| 08:29.10 | kakashi_ | wols_: mplayer has a pitfall it drops a lot of frames! |
| 08:29.28 | siimo | what about gxine |
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| 08:30.07 | kakashi_ | gxine no idea |
| 08:30.23 | siimo | actually xine, gxine is gtk gui for it |
| 08:30.35 | kakashi_ | yeah got that! |
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| 08:42.18 | DawnLight | kakashi_: careful not to stand below it when it does |
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| 08:50.40 | DawnLight | kakashi_: when it drops frames |
| 08:51.51 | kakashi_ | DawnLight: ehhh!! |
| 08:52.03 | kakashi_ | DawnLight: Poor joke |
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| 09:03.34 | Gigantic | You won't believe what was making my browsers slow... |
| 09:03.41 | Gigantic | it was gnash >.> |
| 09:04.00 | cast | well, it is alpha release status isn't it |
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| 09:05.36 | Gigantic | well, funny part is if you'd know all we did before to fix the connection, to realize it was just gnash |
| 09:05.37 | Gigantic | :P |
| 09:06.03 | Gigantic | talk about firewals and dns :p |
| 09:06.20 | wols_ | hehe |
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| 09:07.51 | fas3r | hello i have problem with PEAR .. it's doesn't want to upgrade it ... |
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| 09:10.36 | cast | PEAR being |
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| 09:13.07 | wols_ | cast: PHP. similar to cpan |
| 09:13.28 | cast | ahh |
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| 09:16.12 | erpo | xrandr reports that I can switch to 640x480@52Hz or 640x480@56Hz on my laptop's LCD. The 56Hz option works great. The 52Hz option causes problems. When I run StarCraft under wine, it apparently chooses the 52Hz option because the display has exactly the same problems. How can I disable the 52Hz option, or otherwise force StarCraft to choose the correct one? |
| 09:17.30 | erpo | You know, it's odd how no amount of Googling or reading documentation will yield the solution to a problem, but asking the question in #debian suddenly makes it head-slappingly obvious. |
| 09:17.46 | craigevil | erpo: try commenting out the line in xorg.conf |
| 09:17.51 | cast | what's ext3's default journalling method |
| 09:18.01 | erpo | craigevil: There's no line. It's all being done dynamically. |
| 09:19.01 | wols_ | cast: metadata I think |
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| 09:20.06 | cast | i never knew there were 3 forms, journal, ordered and writeback |
| 09:20.27 | erpo | cast: I'm 90% sure ordered is the default mode. |
| 09:20.40 | Gigantic | running Starcraft in window instead of full screen sould help too |
| 09:20.55 | erpo | Gigantic: I'm trying to *stop* doing that. ;) |
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| 09:24.48 | kingsley | How can I move the mouse's pointer to certain text that I'd like to edit in a .doc file within oowriter? When I left click on the text in question, eight small green squares appear around the border of the text, but I'm unable to edit it. |
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| 09:25.15 | sysadmin-lb22 | I am t rying to retrieve some data from a log file...using grep I get the correct line..now I want to get the IP out of that line..is SED the correct tool. |
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| 09:26.03 | odder | sysadmin-lb22: sed is the correct tool for almost all text-related problems |
| 09:26.13 | sysadmin-lb22 | odder, what about awk |
| 09:26.29 | cast | couldn't you just use grep |
| 09:26.34 | odder | sysadmin-lb22: that's your decision, awk's great, too ;) |
| 09:26.38 | erpo | kingsley: *shrug* Maybe it's not text. If you click and drag on the green squares, can you resize the "text"? |
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| 09:27.14 | cast | paste the line, the currect tool will become apparent, cut might even do |
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| 09:28.19 | kingsley | erpo: That's a good question. When I click and drag on the green squares, the text doesn't move. |
| 09:29.00 | erpo | kingsley: Do the green squares move? |
| 09:29.06 | kingsley | I suspect that I'm accessing something like the wrong layer or frame. |
| 09:29.09 | erpo | kingsley: Maybe you should take a screenshot and post it somewhere. |
| 09:29.14 | kingsley | erpo: Yes, they move. |
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| 09:29.35 | erpo | kingsley: What if you hit the delete key after moving them around? |
| 09:30.02 | kingsley | erpo: Normally I'd agree to publishing a screen shot, but in this case, it's privileged information. |
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| 09:32.32 | eliasson__ | Hi, I'm trying to install mysql-server-5.0 package via apt but I'm receiving a really wierd problem; and my MySQL server wont start: http://79.99.6.219/error.txt - appreciate any help I can get. |
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| 09:34.06 | erpo | eliasson__: Just a shot in the dark here. Not a database expert. Maybe you need to configure it before it can start? |
| 09:34.20 | erpo | eliasson__: Or maybe it's at least writing to a log file about why it can't start. |
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| 09:34.47 | kakashi_ | eliasson__: are you root? |
| 09:34.52 | eliasson__ | kakashi_: Yes. |
| 09:34.54 | Gigantic | The best solution when mysql fails is to install postgre |
| 09:34.59 | erpo | ha |
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| 09:35.17 | kakashi_ | Gigantic: that is not the best option! the best option is to fix it! |
| 09:35.18 | eliasson__ | erpo: "invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.", the init-script is faling. |
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| 09:35.59 | kakashi_ | eliasson__: just try to start mysql mannualy |
| 09:36.01 | erpo | eliasson__: Yes, but why? I'm assuming it's getting around to invoking the mysql daemon and the daemon is quitting early. |
| 09:36.05 | eliasson__ | Gigantic: Is the queries between mysql and postgre a big different or are both following the SQL-language? |
| 09:36.18 | eliasson__ | debian www # mysqld_safe |
| 09:36.18 | eliasson__ | Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql |
| 09:36.18 | eliasson__ | mysqld_safe[5214]: started |
| 09:36.18 | eliasson__ | STOPPING server from pid file /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid |
| 09:36.18 | eliasson__ | mysqld_safe[5223]: ended |
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| 09:36.27 | eliasson__ | Well, hold :) |
| 09:36.38 | eliasson__ | Please update error.txt - in the bottom. |
| 09:36.39 | kingsley | erpo: Good question. If I hit the delete key after moving green squares, a background image disappears, but the text that I wish to edit remains. |
| 09:36.49 | eliasson__ | I'll check syslog, hold |
| 09:36.55 | erpo | kingsley: Can you now edit the text? |
| 09:36.55 | kakashi_ | yeah do that |
| 09:37.42 | Gigantic | both are sql but ignore me... I just hate MySQL and GTK :p |
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| 09:37.53 | kingsley | erpo: Bingo! Yes, deleting the image allows me to edit the text. Do you happen to know how to edit the text while keeping the background image? |
| 09:38.14 | eliasson__ | kakashi_: http://79.99.6.219/syslog.txt |
| 09:38.15 | erpo | kingsley: No idea. |
| 09:38.16 | eliasson__ | Well :| hmm |
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| 09:38.53 | eliasson__ | Gigantic: Is the queries between mysql and postgre a big different or are both following the SQL-language? |
| 09:39.06 | eliasson__ | well, I know mysql does, but what does postgre do? :) |
| 09:39.20 | eliasson__ | oh, sorry |
| 09:39.33 | Legality | If anyone has any ideas on this problem.. For some reason our sites have been unavailable for several minutes, even though apaches error.log doesn't show any errors on that time and load averages have been 0-0.4? |
| 09:39.43 | eliasson__ | Gigantic: So switching to postgre won't affect my queries really? |
| 09:39.49 | Gigantic | Thing is I ALWAYS have problems with mysql, seems it doesn't like me :p |
| 09:40.02 | eliasson__ | well, I would like to try something else anyway so :P |
| 09:41.03 | eliasson__ | damn I hate whenever mysql fucks up. |
| 09:41.24 | maligor | is there some app to find non-managed files in a system? |
| 09:41.39 | cast | is it safe to do a dump of a live ext3 fs? |
| 09:41.43 | wols_ | eliasson__: DBs should be interchangeable thanks to SQL, in reality they aren't |
| 09:41.55 | wols_ | tho many packages support both postgres and mysql |
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| 09:42.08 | wols_ | cast: of course not. unless you remount ro |
| 09:42.56 | Gigantic | eliasson__: http://www.xach.com/aolserver/mysql-to-postgresql.html |
| 09:43.29 | eliasson__ | Gigantic: is the processname "postmaster"+ |
| 09:43.31 | cast | the manpage doesn't mention, just says you can do it on a mounted fs :< |
| 09:43.32 | eliasson__ | ?* |
| 09:43.51 | kakashi_ | eliasson__: as per your log file, the mysql at present is corrupt, reinstalling it may solve your problem |
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| 09:44.17 | Gigantic | yah |
| 09:44.50 | eliasson__ | kakashi_: I've got a VPS and I've reinstalled the entire OS about 10 times, using different apt-mirrors, diffrent packages yada yada |
| 09:44.58 | jescis | has anyone parted or joined in the past few seconds? |
| 09:44.59 | eliasson__ | 4.1 is downloading 5.0 anyway, with the same error |
| 09:46.06 | jescis | NO! |
| 09:46.15 | Gigantic | !ignore |
| 09:46.15 | dpkg | from memory, ignore is the only method a selfish person is able to deal with those who think in a different way, or the only method a busy person has to deal with annoying pests. |
| 09:46.26 | jescis | didn't work :( |
| 09:46.56 | kakashi_ | eliasson__: first apt-get remove mysql and then install the new version |
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| 09:47.21 | jescis | I'm trying to ignore joins and parts not the people. |
| 09:47.33 | eliasson__ | E: Couldn't find package mysql |
| 09:47.41 | kakashi_ | that is the approach that you need to have, if a package is corrupt please remove it and then install a new one |
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| 09:47.44 | eliasson__ | I guess mysql-common or the server-package? |
| 09:47.50 | kakashi_ | yeah |
| 09:47.58 | eliasson__ | well, I can try |
| 09:48.01 | eliasson__ | Removing mysql-server-5.0 ... |
| 09:48.02 | eliasson__ | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 09:48.04 | kingsley | erpo: I seem to have found a pragmatic workaround. Drag a green square for the image until it's moved out of the way and reveals the text to edit. |
| 09:48.13 | kingsley | I can replace the image later. |
| 09:48.19 | eliasson__ | kakashi_: Same issue |
| 09:48.39 | eliasson__ | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 09:48.39 | eliasson__ | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 09:49.00 | kakashi_ | even remove does that? |
| 09:49.12 | eliasson__ | Yupp, it does. |
| 09:49.13 | erpo | kingsley: All right. :) |
| 09:49.33 | kakashi_ | try with aptitude remove mysql-server |
| 09:49.48 | kakashi_ | use aptitude dude |
| 09:50.10 | vchrizz | i want to use an ipv6 tunnel, should i rather use the command ip or ifconfig for setting it up? |
| 09:50.25 | eliasson__ | kakashi_: what's the different? :| |
| 09:50.33 | eliasson__ | kakashi_: same issue tought |
| 09:50.52 | kakashi_ | go to #mysql and ask ! |
| 09:50.53 | eliasson__ | Gigantic: What's the postgre login by default if you're downloading from apt? ;-) |
| 09:51.02 | Gigantic | jescis: IRSSI: #Debian ALL -PUBLIC -ACTIONS |
| 09:51.10 | kakashi_ | this is mysql specific issue not debian oriented |
| 09:51.11 | jescis | Gigantic: you know must die for learning my secret ;) |
| 09:51.22 | eliasson__ | kakashi_: I don't really think they support a issue caused by either apt or something else i #mysql |
| 09:51.25 | eliasson__ | :( |
| 09:51.27 | Gigantic | jescis: oops: /ignore ##gentoo ALL -PUBLIC -ACTIONS |
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| 09:51.42 | Gigantic | jescis: :p |
| 09:51.47 | jescis | lol |
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| 09:52.25 | Gigantic | eliasson__: You sudo into postgre to create a master user |
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| 09:52.36 | Gigantic | su - postgres |
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| 09:53.02 | Gigantic | then createuser... createdb... |
| 09:53.19 | eliasson__ | sweet! :) |
| 09:53.25 | eliasson__ | I'm starting to love postgre already |
| 09:53.31 | kakashi_ | eliasson__: it is not the problem with apt |
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| 09:55.44 | indraveni | hi all |
| 09:55.45 | yang | I have this line for tftpd "tftp dgram udp4 wait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /tftpboot" and I cannot download a file when connected to localhost with it, something is wrong...tftpd: trying to get file: C0A80105.SUN4M and fails |
| 09:56.20 | indraveni | could someone tell me, why does a system require to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg always after reboot, |
| 09:56.36 | indraveni | else, the system xserver crashes, if not run the above command |
| 09:56.42 | indraveni | why such situation may appear |
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| 09:57.26 | yang | indraveni: its not usual that it would ask you each time, usually that is done only once during installation |
| 09:57.45 | yang | indraveni: maybe you have some script calling that |
| 09:58.06 | indraveni | yang, yes, but in one particular system, unless i do this every reboot, it does n't allow to me to work. it crashes |
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| 10:02.04 | indraveni | any ideas about my issue |
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| 10:04.19 | ddalton | Hey got a stop watch for the cli? or anyone know of anything? |
| 10:04.29 | dbmoodb | time |
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| 10:06.18 | Bleupomme | Is there a way to move data (not copy) between remote machines with rsync? |
| 10:06.27 | DukeDrake | When I have two directories, each containing a whole lot of files, how can I check which files from directory A are missing in directory B? |
| 10:06.57 | cast | Bleupomme: a move in that context is a copy and a delete, rsync can be told to delete things |
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| 10:07.37 | Gigantic | DukeDrake: mm, a ls + grep script? |
| 10:07.51 | Bleupomme | cast: The thing is I have to be sure the files arrived to destination before deleting them |
| 10:08.29 | ddalton | did someone answer? I tried time. I want something that will just count up until I hit stop and then show me the time. something pretty basic... |
| 10:08.39 | DukeDrake | Gigantic: sounds complicated o.o |
| 10:08.44 | ddalton | I am blind and its a bit hard to follow. Sorry. |
| 10:08.47 | Gigantic | lol |
| 10:09.23 | Gigantic | !nite |
| 10:09.23 | dpkg | nite gigantic |
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| 10:09.49 | cast | do you have a braille terminal then? |
| 10:09.54 | wols_ | ddalton: time sorta works but doesn't count up while it runs |
| 10:10.04 | wols_ | time <command> |
| 10:10.13 | wols_ | times how long command takes |
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| 10:10.25 | DukeDrake | ddalton: you probably also want to ask in #bash |
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| 10:15.04 | jescis | How can I stop my screen from turning black in terminal mode? |
| 10:15.38 | jescis | without rebooting that is >_> |
| 10:15.39 | wols_ | inittab does it I think |
| 10:15.41 | wols_ | or acpi |
| 10:16.09 | wols_ | or not :/ |
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| 10:16.34 | jescis | command not found when I typed acpi :/ |
| 10:16.56 | fotoflo | hey debian users, i have a survey about email securty, (my compnay makes email securty products that use GnuPG, for the core encryption) and i was wondering if i could get a couple of you people to fill out my survey? |
| 10:17.05 | fotoflo | its just 4 questions... |
| 10:17.09 | fotoflo | 2 minutes |
| 10:19.50 | wols_ | stop the spamming |
| 10:20.10 | wols_ | !acpi |
| 10:20.10 | dpkg | acpi is probably Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports |
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| 10:22.34 | wols_ | !tell derPUPE_ about away |
| 10:22.46 | wols_ | derPUPE_: note how you've been told that before |
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| 10:24.21 | Timsen | hi all, somebody here familiar with screen the multi terminal session tool? |
| 10:24.29 | cast | yes. |
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| 10:24.59 | wols_ | Timsen: we're even more familiar with meta questions. and we hate them |
| 10:25.12 | Timsen | I want to create a new "tab" between the existing ones, but can not find any hint in the man page how to to that without closing the "tabs" in front |
| 10:25.51 | Timsen | okay wols_ sorry I know the meta questions are silly |
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| 10:26.28 | rabby | hi |
| 10:26.35 | jescis | wols_: I know I could change the setting in a gui. But I'm in terminal mode and don't know. |
| 10:26.45 | rabby | how to auto start an X-Session for a specific user on startup? |
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| 10:28.56 | wols_ | rabby: gdm can be configured to do so. gdmconfig I think |
| 10:29.52 | rabby | wols_: at the moment i do not even use gdm or kdm because it is only one user who logs in at all... |
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| 10:30.54 | wols_ | "advantage" of using gdm with autologin is it boots stragith into X |
| 10:30.59 | rabby | isn't there a way to do e.g. startx as a user on startup? |
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| 10:41.06 | rabby | wols_: now i fetched gdm. but can not see where to add a autostart user entry |
| 10:41.15 | wols_ | gdmconfig |
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| 10:42.33 | rabby | gdmconfig not found; only /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
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| 10:43.29 | rabby | got it though. |
| 10:43.29 | rabby | AutomaticLoginEnable=true |
| 10:43.29 | rabby | AutomaticLogin=whatever_username |
| 10:43.47 | fx|RabBi2 | hi all! i have the problem tha i cant install etch on a very new computer, can anyone point me the way on how to repack the installer with newer chipset drivers please? |
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| 10:45.40 | azeem | fx|RabBi2: wait for lenny beta1 maybe, and try that |
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| 10:46.40 | fx|RabBi2 | azeem: hehe not an option |
| 10:47.11 | fx|RabBi2 | i know there are ways to do the job i just need a good howto... |
| 10:47.50 | jescis | fx|RabBi2: I find 9 times out of 10 if the driver doesn't exist for a perticular linux distro or other OS. your sol unless your a good programmer. |
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| 10:48.19 | jescis | you're* |
| 10:48.25 | fx|RabBi2 | jescis: well ubuntu boots the pc its just etch that doesnt.. |
| 10:48.41 | cast | fx|RabBi2: could debootstrap from ubuntu |
| 10:48.47 | jescis | yeah, and that's why. |
| 10:48.48 | fx|RabBi2 | knoppix also does... |
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| 10:49.02 | fx|RabBi2 | cast: hat does that mean? |
| 10:49.55 | fx|RabBi2 | ah its a package hehe |
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| 10:51.55 | asdzxc | hi |
| 10:52.02 | jescis | btw debian isn't ubuntu. So, my statement still stands. |
| 10:52.03 | asdzxc | is here apache with '--enable-exception-hook' in Etch ? |
| 10:52.10 | asdzxc | is there |
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| 10:54.16 | fx|RabBi2 | jescis: you mean if those drivers basically work for ubuntu that doesnt mean they work for denian? |
| 10:54.21 | fx|RabBi2 | debianeven |
| 10:54.38 | jescis | they might |
| 10:55.17 | jescis | But there's a good chance they won't. |
| 10:55.31 | fx|RabBi2 | hummm |
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| 10:55.36 | wols_ | fx|RabBi2: what disk controller _ |
| 10:55.38 | wols_ | ? |
| 10:55.45 | fx|RabBi2 | is i should install several pc with it it would be worth a try... |
| 10:55.59 | jescis | But heh what do I know. -_- |
| 10:56.03 | wols_ | !tell fx|RabBi2 about kmuto |
| 10:56.08 | fx|RabBi2 | i dont know exactly but it is either a ich8 or 9 chipset |
| 10:56.26 | wols_ | fx|RabBi2: they will work too for debian, how hard they are to get working is a different matter |
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| 10:56.35 | wols_ | yes, then kmuto it is |
| 10:56.38 | fx|RabBi2 | hehehe |
| 10:56.51 | fx|RabBi2 | *googling kmuto* |
| 10:57.09 | wols_ | fx|RabBi2: dpkg just messaged you, no need to google |
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| 10:57.30 | fx|RabBi2 | ah! other window, thanx:] |
| 10:57.37 | jescis | lol |
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| 10:58.22 | testi | How can I figure out the type of RAM cards I have, to replace them. (I have an acer notebook with intel centrino, that's all I know) |
| 10:58.47 | fx|RabBi2 | wols_: glorious, precisely what i was looking for thanx alot m8! |
| 10:58.48 | jescis | open it up. |
| 10:59.04 | wols_ | testi: decode-dimms |
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| 10:59.37 | testi | decode-dimms? |
| 10:59.43 | jescis | yhat works too >_> |
| 10:59.49 | wols_ | yes, part of i2c-tools |
| 10:59.52 | jescis | that* |
| 11:00.24 | wols_ | it will be a SODIMM thats for sure, what sodim exactly is the question |
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| 11:01.50 | jescis | then to do it the* |
| 11:02.15 | testi | mmh decode-dimms asked me to load the eeprom kernel module, I did so, but then it outputs: Number of SDRAM DIMMs detected and decoded: 0 |
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| 11:02.56 | jescis | Break out the screw driver!! |
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| 11:04.21 | testi | :( - any chance that dmidecode provides useful information? |
| 11:04.32 | jescis | unless it's like dells where you just like a cover off the ram area. :/ |
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| 11:05.11 | jescis | slide* |
| 11:05.43 | testi | And how easy is it usually to exchange RAM in a notebook compared to a tower desktop machine? |
| 11:05.55 | cafuego | testi: bit easier usually |
| 11:06.12 | jescis | not too hard. depends on the maker. |
| 11:06.26 | cafuego | testi: The bottom tends to have an access panel, so you don't need to crack the whole thing open |
| 11:06.34 | testi | nice |
| 11:07.04 | apk | hello! |
| 11:07.09 | apk | 'morning ;) |
| 11:07.27 | jescis | All though I'd do it any ways for fun ;) |
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| 11:08.35 | jescis | apk: mornin' |
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| 11:09.29 | Dieterbe | hey. when i do 'ip addr list' i see an ip that is not configured ( not even mentioned) in /etc/network/interfaces, it also doesnt show up in ifconfig. anyone an idea where it might come from? |
| 11:09.43 | jescis | cafuego: I consider computers and biology similer. |
| 11:10.13 | jim_p | how can i change the permissions of a binary file ? |
| 11:10.16 | Lukian | testi, usually a lot easier, no cables in the way ;) |
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| 11:10.51 | apk | jim_p, chmod? |
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| 11:11.23 | jim_p | yes chmod of course, but chmod to what? |
| 11:11.42 | apk | but for what? |
| 11:11.46 | jescis | jim_p: chmod +x |
| 11:11.53 | apk | you want to execute that file |
| 11:11.53 | jim_p | i want the ntfs3g binary to be executable by all users |
| 11:11.54 | apk | to modify, to read? |
| 11:11.57 | jescis | ? |
| 11:12.02 | apk | chmod a+x file |
| 11:12.17 | jim_p | a+x? |
| 11:12.26 | jim_p | i just read somewhere a+l!!! |
| 11:12.36 | jim_p | wrong |
| 11:12.38 | jim_p | a+s |
| 11:12.40 | jescis | Where?? |
| 11:12.51 | apk | x = execution |
| 11:12.54 | jescis | lol |
| 11:13.03 | jim_p | ok nevermind |
| 11:13.08 | jim_p | let me make it simple |
| 11:13.13 | apk | i suggest man chmod |
| 11:13.24 | apk | or read here: http://www.washington.edu/computing/unix/permissions.html |
| 11:13.31 | jim_p | the last ntfs upgrade messed up my ability to mount and unmount ntfs drives |
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| 11:14.09 | jim_p | so... everything sums up to the fact that i need to chande the ntfs-3g binary permissions |
| 11:14.15 | apk | and why do you think that is a permission problem? |
| 11:14.27 | jim_p | btw... I cant even mount as root!!!! |
| 11:14.37 | apk | ls -l file what tells? |
| 11:14.58 | jim_p | -rwsrwsrwx 1 jim jim 35748 2008-02-22 21:52 /usr/bin/ntfs-3g |
| 11:15.00 | jescis | apk: correct. |
| 11:15.04 | jim_p | jim is my account |
| 11:15.14 | apk | and so? |
| 11:15.25 | cast | i like how you have world writable stuff in /usr/bin |
| 11:15.27 | apk | you have granted every permission that you can grant eheheh |
| 11:15.28 | jim_p | i still cant mount and unmount |
| 11:15.28 | jaggy- | kde printers wants a username/pw but it only accepts root's |
| 11:15.36 | apk | cast, ahahahah :P |
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| 11:16.01 | apk | what version are you using? |
| 11:16.03 | jaggy- | I'm trying to get my printer setup so our windows machine can print to the printer on my linux box |
| 11:16.05 | apk | in /usr/bin/ |
| 11:16.22 | stevil | a certain process of mine is since today using a lot of cpu, how can i figure out what the processing is doing the most? memory is normal but cpu usages is constantly 100% |
| 11:16.38 | apk | stevil, top |
| 11:16.40 | apk | or atop |
| 11:17.05 | apk | and pressing ">" you can order by mem/cpu/and so on consuption |
| 11:17.05 | stevil | apk: yeah i'm using those two alreayd, but then i'm just seeing the load, not what's taking this particular processes so long |
| 11:17.18 | apk | ahhh |
| 11:17.23 | jim_p | ntfs-3g is version 1.2216 |
| 11:17.27 | apk | you want to know what is doing that process? |
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| 11:17.46 | apk | jim_p, why do you think that the problem is permissions? |
| 11:17.53 | apk | s/is/are |
| 11:18.07 | stevil | apk: yeah i'm using strace at the pid, but it's hard to see what is really using the cpu so much |
| 11:18.29 | apk | which is the program you are talking about stevil? |
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| 11:18.36 | jim_p | because i read it somewhere :( and because when i right click > mount i get a silly error with permissions and stuff |
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| 11:18.58 | apk | please paste the error that mount gives you |
| 11:19.34 | jim_p | "please check the volume and the ntfs-3g binary permissions, and the mounting user ID" |
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| 11:20.02 | jim_p | "more explanation rpovided ..." |
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| 11:21.01 | Bleupomme | where can I find a list of kernel flavors with their explanation? |
| 11:21.19 | jim_p | note that i had NO problems before the upgrade |
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| 11:22.45 | liable | true |
| 11:22.51 | liable | oops |
| 11:22.56 | apk | do you have access right to the volume and mount point jim_p ? |
| 11:23.10 | jim_p | i did have before the upgrade |
| 11:23.28 | apk | Bleupomme, what do you mean for "explanation"? |
| 11:23.38 | jim_p | !!! |
| 11:23.38 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 11:23.39 | jim_p | idea |
| 11:23.40 | apk | are you talking about features? |
| 11:23.44 | jescis | stevil: did you try ps -A -l? |
| 11:23.58 | jim_p | if i remove ntfs-3g and reinstall it? |
| 11:24.09 | apk | you can try :) |
| 11:24.29 | jim_p | ok |
| 11:24.33 | jim_p | one more thing |
| 11:24.40 | apk | jim_p, read here http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=44844 |
| 11:24.51 | jim_p | i have the ntfs drives to automount at boot through fstab |
| 11:25.14 | apk | there's an italian guy with trying to find a solution for your problem... |
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| 11:25.49 | jim_p | i saw that thread earlier in the morning |
| 11:25.52 | jim_p | y |
| 11:25.56 | jim_p | ooops |
| 11:26.10 | jim_p | that went to apt's question |
| 11:26.28 | Bleupomme | apk: I mean an explanation about what every flavor does |
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| 11:26.33 | jescis | !tell stevil about ps |
| 11:27.49 | jim_p | nope! reinstalled and nothing happens |
| 11:28.02 | jim_p | just the permissions changed |
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| 11:29.01 | stevil | jescis: sorry, i'm back :-) |
| 11:29.10 | stevil | jescis: let me read the man page about the ps options |
| 11:29.17 | jescis | ok |
| 11:30.18 | jim_p | is there a relevant ntfs-3g channel? |
| 11:32.24 | jescis | jim_p: you could search searchirc.com |
| 11:33.30 | stevil | jescis: phew! :-) |
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| 11:33.44 | jescis | I did /list ntfs-3g and found nothing. But they might on that site. |
| 11:34.03 | jescis | stevil: alot to read? |
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| 11:34.35 | jaggy- | why's 'date' say UTC time? |
| 11:34.36 | jescis | did it help? |
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| 11:35.21 | jim_p | there is only one ntfs (the filesystem) related channel |
| 11:35.30 | jim_p | i joined it |
| 11:35.38 | ghis | Hi guys, how can i change the system time? Everytime i reboot it's wrong again :/ |
| 11:35.46 | jim_p | and it has nothing to do with ntfs-3g apparently |
| 11:35.55 | Timsen | ghis: check tzconfig |
| 11:36.03 | ghis | Timsen, ty |
| 11:36.04 | jaggy- | ghis, hwclock --help |
| 11:36.04 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 11:36.05 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 11:36.23 | ghis | thanks |
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| 11:37.32 | jim_p | ok i have some progress so far |
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| 11:37.53 | jim_p | i can mount as root and yet see my drives as a normal user |
| 11:38.06 | jim_p | still cant unmount though |
| 11:38.12 | ghis | haha i firewalled out apt-get ... any ideas what i need to add to iptables? |
| 11:38.36 | jaggy- | that's funny.. http and ftp? |
| 11:38.57 | jaggy- | then again -- it's initiating the connections.. I think you messed up something right? |
| 11:39.07 | ghis | http.. just allow port 80 outbound |
| 11:39.13 | ghis | right? |
| 11:39.33 | jaggy- | oh, you're blocking outbound too? .. yeah.. remote port 80 |
| 11:39.39 | jaggy- | you sound like you should know this :) |
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| 11:39.58 | ghis | yeah, just thinking out loud |
| 11:39.59 | ghis | ;D |
| 11:40.11 | jaggy- | can I use ntpdate in a cronjob instead of ntpd so as not to keep another running server around? |
| 11:40.29 | valdyn | jaggy-: you can, but its unsafe |
| 11:40.52 | valdyn | jaggy-: and it should put more pressure on your system load than just keeping that simple daemon running |
| 11:41.00 | jaggy- | valdyn, just a user system.. I know it might jump and mess up things.. (my screensaver kicked in when I ran it a minute ago :) |
| 11:41.16 | jaggy- | oh, i just have it running once a day |
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| 11:42.21 | apk | valdyn, why ntpdate is unsafe? |
| 11:43.02 | valdyn | apk: because some things do not work as expected when time is not rising monotonously ( sp? ) |
| 11:43.15 | valdyn | apk: screensavers, build systems |
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| 11:43.21 | Blas | Hi, I've installed a copy of Debian Etch to my HDD with grub installed on the root partition. However my PC can't use grub I've found as it crashes when you choose any option and I need to install lilo onto sda1 instead - I'm on a liveCD currently - anyone know how I can do this? |
| 11:43.26 | apk | sorry valdyn |
| 11:43.27 | jaggy- | what's a word for 'consistently-sequentially' ? |
| 11:43.37 | apk | but I don't understand "rising monotonously" |
| 11:43.41 | jaggy- | oh.. that math term for a broken . oh, continuous |
| 11:44.01 | jaggy- | the time should be a continuous 'function' :) |
| 11:44.08 | valdyn | apk: i tried to express that it needs to keep rising and staying the same, but must never decrease |
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| 11:44.18 | apk | yes I know what continuity means in mat |
| 11:44.22 | ghis | Anyone know howto set time to "winter time"? I got the right time zone but it's 1h wrong :) |
| 11:44.36 | valdyn | apk: yea, this is maths expression, literally translated from german |
| 11:44.40 | jaggy- | your daylight savings time thingy.. |
| 11:44.41 | apk | ok valdyn, and why the time would decresa? |
| 11:44.48 | apk | decrease* |
| 11:44.55 | ghis | jaggy-, u know where it is? :) |
| 11:44.57 | valdyn | apk: ntpdate just sets the time, fixing 12:00 to 11:00 is a decrease |
| 11:44.58 | apk | (sorry for the stupid questions eheheh ;) ) |
| 11:45.08 | valdyn | apk: ntpd will not do that |
| 11:45.16 | jaggy- | apk, because you're an anti-particle? |
| 11:45.24 | valdyn | apk: it will instead keep your clock at 12 till its really 12 |
| 11:45.39 | apk | anti-particle? |
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| 11:46.09 | jaggy- | yeah.. like.. isn't a positron equivalent to an electron travelling backwards in time? |
| 11:46.16 | apk | sorry but my english comprehension is not so good :( |
| 11:46.27 | geggam | would not ntpdate -b change that behavior valdyn ? |
| 11:46.28 | apk | ahhh physics stuff! |
| 11:46.52 | jaggy- | of which I know not enough |
| 11:46.52 | valdyn | positron is just a positively loaded electron, like the equivalent to electron in anti-matter |
| 11:47.54 | jaggy- | interesting that you say "loaded".. that's .. interesting. |
| 11:48.04 | valdyn | ghis: debian should adjust winter / summer time automagically if you picked the correct timezone |
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| 11:48.21 | valdyn | ghis: so just set the right time in the right time zone, daylight savings will be done automagically |
| 11:48.39 | jaggy- | ntpd (not ntpdate) gradually adjusts your clock if it's off.. so the change is smoother. |
| 11:49.14 | jaggy- | and does it really hold it at 12 or does it move it reaaally slowly until time catches up? |
| 11:49.56 | valdyn | jaggy-: it can decrease by values that are small enough that they dont irritate software |
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| 11:50.55 | valdyn | jaggy-: now im not sure what's the clockrate is, but to hold it it would have to run at least once per smallest tick, that would take to much resources and linux latency might just not permit that practically |
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| 11:51.36 | jaggy- | that's an interesting thing -- didn't think about that. It has to continuously adjust the system's clock |
| 11:52.28 | valdyn | jaggy-: but to hold it at a specific second it just has to adjust once per second |
| 11:52.46 | geggam | u should all run a time server and donate some bandwidth to pool.ntp.org |
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| 12:01.44 | Adys | is it possible to launch a scan on default config from bash with SANE? |
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| 12:07.42 | ghis | valdyn, ntpdate is the shit! :) |
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| 12:09.37 | jaggy- | okay, I was happy for a bit with the KDE alsa setup.. but this program wants jack and now I am getting worried my sound systems are going to start conflicting again. :/ |
| 12:10.31 | DustyBin | I have compiled the latest version of mythtv myself and created a script inside /etc/init.d/ to activate it, however, mythtv does not log anything to /var/log, here is the init.d script im using: |
| 12:10.35 | DustyBin | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_init.d_mythbackend |
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| 12:10.50 | DustyBin | as you can see, the init.d script says 'LOGFILE=/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log' |
| 12:10.52 | wols_ | DustyBin: /usr/local/ ? |
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| 12:11.25 | DustyBin | wols_: its compiled inside /usr/local yes |
| 12:11.43 | DustyBin | but the logfile variable says 'LOGFILE=/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log' |
| 12:11.52 | DustyBin | there is no such dir as /usr/local/var |
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| 12:12.53 | DustyBin | actually i know what it might be, i need to manually create the 'mythtv' dir as it doesnt exist |
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| 12:13.13 | DustyBin | or make it says LOGFILE=/var/log/mythbackend.log' instead |
| 12:13.40 | vaq | What alternatives are there to NFS for shared storage on LAN ? |
| 12:13.42 | jaggy- | maybe there's nothing to log? |
| 12:13.52 | wols_ | vaq: samba and afs |
| 12:14.00 | babilen | vaq: AFS and samba |
| 12:14.01 | jaggy- | it also seems to be set only to log "important" |
| 12:14.40 | vaq | OpenAFS seems overkill |
| 12:14.55 | vaq | how good does samba performe against NFS ? |
| 12:15.03 | jaggy- | this thing couldn't validate "realplayer" and kpackage shows the output requests -y .. however, running through the kpackage gui I'm really not sure what to pick to get this to go through |
| 12:15.23 | rabby | where is the DISPLAY setting in the env variables set? |
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| 12:16.09 | meeero | values provided in hosts.deny, when do they take effect? do i have to restart some daemon? |
| 12:16.11 | jaggy- | rabby, I'm no expert on this, but I imagine when you run X it sets it for sub processes for the current user |
| 12:16.51 | jaggy- | meeero, mine have worked right away -- it's worth a good test on your part though |
| 12:16.54 | rabby | jaggy-: do You have an idea how i could set it to a constant ID? atm it always changes when restarting :( |
| 12:17.12 | meeero | well, i entered ALL: someip, and it still accesses the system |
| 12:17.27 | meeero | it's a spamming-problem, i need to deny all access from that ip right now |
| 12:17.52 | valdyn | meeero: are you trying to use hosts.deny to control mail? |
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| 12:18.02 | jaggy- | rabby, when restarting what? In general it's going to be the proper display, because.. X is running and knows its own ID |
| 12:18.07 | meeero | no, i just need to deny access from one single ip, now |
| 12:18.12 | jaggy- | however, you can set it in your shell init script (~/.bashrc ?) |
| 12:18.24 | valdyn | meeero: thats what im talking about |
| 12:18.45 | meeero | no, i'm not controlling mail using hosts.deny |
| 12:18.55 | jaggy- | rabby, it would be good to learn more about it though since I'm not 100% sure of what you're doing and why |
| 12:19.00 | DustyBin | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 848 2008-03-14 12:18 mythbackend.log |
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| 12:19.01 | DustyBin | :D |
| 12:19.11 | jaggy- | didn't mkdir, dusty? ;) |
| 12:19.13 | valdyn | meeero: you cant control spam via hosts.deny |
| 12:19.19 | meeero | i don't |
| 12:19.23 | hosler | How can I get a list of packages installed on my system? |
| 12:19.27 | jaggy- | dpkg -l |
| 12:19.34 | valdyn | meeero: 13:17 < meeero> it's a spamming-problem, i need to deny all access from that ip right now |
| 12:19.40 | hosler | k |
| 12:19.47 | jaggy- | dpkg -l '*something*' # <---- good to know! I didn't know about this for a long time |
| 12:19.48 | dpkg | No packages found matching '*something*' # <---- good to know! I didn't know about this for a long time |
| 12:19.53 | valdyn | meeero: you cant solve ^^^ via hosts.deny |
| 12:19.57 | valdyn | meeero: i cant get any clearer |
| 12:20.10 | jaggy- | apt-cache search pattern # <--- searches for installed and uninstalled packages too! another valuable tool |
| 12:20.20 | meeero | i did not mean spamming by mail, some ip is causing trouble, accessing httpd for spam purposes |
| 12:20.29 | valdyn | meeero: that wont work either |
| 12:20.34 | meeero | why |
| 12:20.46 | jaggy- | not all daemons use hosts.deny |
| 12:20.51 | valdyn | meeero: because hosts.deny only works for the userspace application(s) that actually read it |
| 12:21.00 | meeero | i see |
| 12:21.02 | valdyn | meeero: you want to use iptables for this |
| 12:21.15 | meeero | hm, i'm not that familier with ip-tables :/ |
| 12:21.36 | jaggy- | you COULD use apache's config to Order deny,allow deny from foo |
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| 12:21.41 | meeero | iptables -I INPUT -s IP -j DROP - like this? |
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| 12:21.52 | valdyn | meeero: no, -j DENY |
| 12:21.56 | jaggy- | but it still hits apache.. while iptables would allow you to intercept those packets at a much better level |
| 12:22.04 | cast | -I needs a position argument doesn't it |
| 12:22.25 | valdyn | nah |
| 12:22.26 | cast | valdyn: dont you mean -j DROP? |
| 12:22.27 | jaggy- | I'm using -j REJECT is that okay? |
| 12:22.37 | valdyn | cast: no, i mean REJECT, sorry |
| 12:22.45 | hosler | I dont get why X11 stuff gets installed but I dont install any X11 apps |
| 12:22.47 | valdyn | DROP is shite |
| 12:23.08 | meeero | iptables v1.3.8: Couldn't load target `DENY' |
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| 12:23.17 | wols_ | hosler: either it's in recommends or depends |
| 12:23.18 | valdyn | meeero: its REJECT |
| 12:23.22 | valdyn | meeero: my bad |
| 12:23.22 | jaggy- | keep up on your own conversation, meeero |
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| 12:23.55 | meeero | my own conversation? |
| 12:24.19 | jaggy- | okay, so how do I get kpackage to install these packages when stuff is held up, wanting -y, because realplayer is not a verifiable package or somesuch |
| 12:24.32 | DustyBin | how does one restart logrotate? |
| 12:24.34 | meeero | ah, yes, the ip is blocked, thanks a lot |
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| 12:24.51 | wols_ | !topicsmite jaggy- |
| 12:24.52 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon jaggy-. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 12:24.52 | valdyn | meeero: not to confuse you: both, REJECT and DROP works, but REJECT is polite |
| 12:25.00 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:25.00 | dpkg | elnovato | bah,m finally i undestood Jedit is the best IDE ever ever |
| 12:25.20 | jaggy- | meeero, I have a buncha spammers hitting my site too.. I wrote a script a couple days ago that looks for sequential POST hits (no GETs inbetween) which means they are not actually reading the pages |
| 12:25.51 | valdyn | you should get those "spams" from a gazillion of ips, over time |
| 12:25.56 | jaggy- | wols, what? |
| 12:26.00 | valdyn | im not sure bothering to block them makes that much sense |
| 12:26.07 | jaggy- | why art thou topicsmiting me? |
| 12:26.23 | wols_ | cause the verify thing. no public key? |
| 12:26.32 | jaggy- | yeah.. they distribute them over the billions (hopefully not) of open proxies around the world |
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| 12:27.25 | jaggy- | most fail on my system because I implemented a code-verification system so they are rejected without retrieving that code |
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| 12:27.29 | valdyn | it should defenitely be more work that its worth i guess |
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| 12:27.45 | valdyn | s/that/than/ |
| 12:27.47 | jaggy- | and the code is time-stamped and marked for a certain limited area of the site |
| 12:27.55 | valdyn | jaggy-: neat |
| 12:28.09 | Agiofws | hello |
| 12:28.27 | Agiofws | this is what i have in rc.local but things are not working correctly |
| 12:28.29 | Agiofws | $paste < rc.local |
| 12:28.33 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/CWIuG035.html |
| 12:28.35 | jaggy- | wols, I'm not sure: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! realplayer |
| 12:28.44 | jaggy- | why can't it authenticate realplayer? |
| 12:28.47 | Agiofws | where do i issue ... ? dns servers in lenny ? |
| 12:29.11 | valdyn | Agiofws: why dont you remove the -e on top? |
| 12:29.21 | valdyn | Agiofws: and add set -x in the 2nd line |
| 12:29.27 | jaggy- | valdyn, I also use another funny trick.. include in your page something like this, and people's scripts are usually dumb enough to submit it: <!-- <input type=text ....> --> |
| 12:29.39 | valdyn | Agiofws: err, i mean, make "set -x" the 2nd time |
| 12:29.41 | valdyn | Agiofws: err, i mean, make "set -x" the 2nd line |
| 12:29.47 | jaggy- | and whatever that var is -- if they submit it you can be 99.999% sure it's someone's script |
| 12:30.19 | jaggy- | how can I get more information on why realplayer's package can't be authenticated at install? |
| 12:30.30 | valdyn | Agiofws: the whole script does things that do not really belong there |
| 12:31.09 | jaggy- | I mean.. I figured it's just because it's a non-distro package.. if I'm figuring wrong do-tell. If not, then how do I get this --force-yes thing to work from within kpackage? |
| 12:31.15 | Agiofws | valdyn, |
| 12:31.16 | Agiofws | #!/bin/sh |
| 12:31.16 | Agiofws | set -x |
| 12:31.19 | Agiofws | like that ? |
| 12:31.25 | valdyn | Agiofws: yea, i think so |
| 12:31.50 | Agiofws | where do i issue dns servers in lenny |
| 12:31.51 | Agiofws | ? |
| 12:32.01 | Agiofws | something over writes the file all the time |
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| 12:32.13 | valdyn | Agiofws: in /etc/network/interfaces if resolvconf is installed |
| 12:32.27 | valdyn | Agiofws: in /etc/resolv.conf directly if its not, i guess |
| 12:32.41 | valdyn | Agiofws: and if you use ppp, then pppd will take care of it if resolvconf is installed |
| 12:32.49 | Agiofws | valdyn, i have disabled resolvconf -x |
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| 12:33.07 | Agiofws | but some stupid script over writes the fsk file all the time |
| 12:33.13 | Agiofws | how do i add it |
| 12:33.17 | valdyn | Agiofws: thats your ppp daemon i guess |
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| 12:33.33 | Agiofws | i don;t use ppp i connect to a router |
| 12:33.38 | Agiofws | modem router |
| 12:34.23 | valdyn | Agiofws: is resolvconf installed? |
| 12:34.27 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/network# paste < interfaces |
| 12:34.28 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/fPLj0a33.html |
| 12:34.29 | Agiofws | yes |
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| 12:34.36 | Agiofws | but i have disabled it |
| 12:34.37 | valdyn | Agiofws: why do you think you disabled it? |
| 12:34.43 | valdyn | Agiofws: how did you do that? |
| 12:34.54 | Agiofws | cause i like stuff being done manually |
| 12:34.57 | valdyn | Agiofws: are you getting your IP via dhcp? |
| 12:34.57 | Agiofws | chmod -x |
| 12:35.00 | Agiofws | no |
| 12:35.03 | Agiofws | static |
| 12:35.16 | valdyn | Agiofws: remove resolvconf |
| 12:36.17 | jaggy- | can you edit nsswitch.conf so it uses some dhcp thing first? (I'm not fully paying attention to the conversation) |
| 12:36.17 | Agiofws | valdyn, like this |
| 12:36.19 | Agiofws | wireless-key a93075540b |
| 12:36.19 | Agiofws | dns 195.170.0.1 |
| 12:36.20 | Agiofws | ? |
| 12:36.51 | valdyn | Agiofws: probably, i forgot the keyword |
| 12:37.41 | valdyn | Agiofws: you intend to not use resolvconf i thought |
| 12:38.05 | valdyn | Agiofws: so you edit /etc/resolv.conf directly and put the "nameserver <ip>" there after you removed the resolvconf package |
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| 12:39.15 | jaggy- | I wonder if apt-get install '*' works |
| 12:39.38 | valdyn | jaggy-: try? |
| 12:39.45 | Agiofws | valdyn, ..... |
| 12:39.59 | Agiofws | someting over writes the forsaken file every time |
| 12:40.14 | valdyn | Agiofws: have you removed the resolvconf package yet? |
| 12:40.47 | Agiofws | (Reading database ... 133765 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 12:40.48 | Agiofws | Removing resolvconf ... |
| 12:40.49 | Agiofws | ok |
| 12:41.34 | dan2 | hey guys |
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| 12:41.42 | jaggy- | valdyn: no? :) |
| 12:41.42 | valdyn | Agiofws: the only thing that actually makes sense to be in rc.local is echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth |
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| 12:41.55 | Agiofws | heh |
| 12:41.56 | dan2 | I seem to be getting terrible bandwidth over the eth0 interface connected to my gigabit switch |
| 12:42.03 | dan2 | only 1.2MB/s |
| 12:42.07 | jaggy- | could do a simulation I figure :) |
| 12:42.15 | Agiofws | valdyn, is there a guide to edit interfaces ? |
| 12:42.23 | valdyn | !interfaces |
| 12:42.23 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 12:42.32 | Agiofws | never could set it up to work as i wanted to |
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| 12:44.30 | Agiofws | !static route |
| 12:44.31 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:44.44 | valdyn | Agiofws: no |
| 12:44.57 | valdyn | Agiofws: that would be for additional static routes, you shouldnt need that |
| 12:45.11 | valdyn | Agiofws: you just need the gateway entry |
| 12:45.47 | valdyn | Agiofws: actually there probably still is that tool "etherconf" around, which does this for you |
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| 12:46.04 | Tadejob | hi |
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| 12:46.50 | Ahil | hi, i'm using debian unstable and after dist-upgrade konqueror is removed and i'm unable to reinstall it again, anyone could help? |
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| 12:47.22 | Tadejob | Did anyone have problems with mrtg and traffic graph? When Im using all of my 1MB/s mrtg shows only about 250kB/s... |
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| 12:53.47 | testi | the kingston website says that my notebook supports up to 2GB memory - but dmidecode says it supports up to 4 GB - who's right, who's dependable? (It's an acer aspire 1640 series notebook) |
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| 12:54.10 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:56.08 | Bleupomme | what would happen if I install a bigmem kernel on a system with only 2GB of ram? |
| 12:56.19 | testi | still searching acer.. |
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| 12:56.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bleupomme, it will probably not give an advantage |
| 12:56.45 | Bleupomme | Kamping_Kaiser: But will it break something? |
| 12:57.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bleupomme, i wouldnt expect it to |
| 12:57.34 | Bleupomme | k thank you |
| 12:57.43 | zamba | i want to retrieve a list of the "main" packages available to me.. that is, not virtual packages, libraries or dev packages.. anyone got a suggestion how i can do that? |
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| 12:58.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | zamba, set yourself up a fancy grep on the packages lists? |
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| 12:58.34 | cast | grep -v, lib* *-dev, not that its all that reliable |
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| 12:58.50 | bkw | how do I get mysql listening on all IPs? I've bind-address = 0.0.0.0 but on debian I still get: telnet 192.168.10.1 3306 EHost '192.168.10.1' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL serverConnection closed by foreign host. |
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| 13:00.51 | Bleupomme | bkw: remove the bind-adress line |
| 13:00.56 | Bleupomme | or comment it out |
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| 13:01.41 | bkw | Bleupomme: I still get that error when trying to telnet 192.168.10.1 3306 |
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| 13:02.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | bkw, you did restart mysql after changing its config didnt you? |
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| 13:03.19 | bkw | I did restart mysql after commenting out bind-address |
| 13:04.07 | bkw | EHost '192.168.10.1' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL serverConnection closed by foreign host. |
| 13:04.22 | bkw | but it answers on 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:05.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | bkw, where did you change where it listens? |
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| 13:06.52 | flabr | hi there....what is the command in terminal... wget ... to install putty |
| 13:06.56 | flabr | ? |
| 13:07.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | flabr, you do know what putty is dont you? |
| 13:07.19 | jack_thompson | hello, how can i turn this... |
| 13:07.21 | jack_thompson | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 13:07.22 | jack_thompson | overflow 1024 428 596 42% /tmp |
| 13:07.24 | jack_thompson | ..back into something that doesn't suck? |
| 13:07.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | jack_thompson, wht is 'this'? |
| 13:07.43 | bkw | Kamping_Kaiser: I simply commented out # bind-address = 0.0.0.0 |
| 13:08.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | bkw, wd |
| 13:08.07 | jack_thompson | i'm talking about that retarded overflow filesystem that forces me to reboot my server... |
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| 13:08.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | i've never seen it before |
| 13:08.44 | Bleupomme | bkw: try an "nmap -sS -p3306 192.168.10.1" what does it tell you? |
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| 13:08.57 | jack_thompson | it "hijacks" my /tmp directory to something that is 1mb in size... ridiculous!!!!! |
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| 13:09.26 | bkw | 3306/tcp open mysql |
| 13:09.35 | flabr | please..what is the command wget in order to download and install putty? |
| 13:09.51 | wols_ | flabr: apt-get install putty |
| 13:10.17 | flabr | thanksss |
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| 13:10.53 | Bleupomme | bkw: so mysql is listening on that port, there should be no problem |
| 13:11.11 | Bleupomme | bkw: I wouldn't use tlent btw use mysql |
| 13:11.13 | wols_ | Bleupomme: iptables, host.deny, some strange mysql thingie? |
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| 13:12.36 | pablo | hi, someone use raid, would you recommend it? |
| 13:12.50 | SlayerXP | pablo: yes, it kills virtually all flying insects |
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| 13:13.34 | pablo | ... |
| 13:13.41 | Bleupomme | wols |
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| 13:14.06 | Bleupomme | wols_: if nmap tells you the port is open. There are no iptables rules |
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| 13:14.39 | abrotman | pablo: which RAID? |
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| 13:15.20 | wols_ | Bleupomme: a host.deny port is open too |
| 13:15.26 | flabr | hi...i am at the university and running debian...i am trying to connect to my sever at home via ssh...i cant find putty here...is there any other ssh program I could use? just cant find any |
| 13:15.40 | abrotman | flabr: can't find putty where? |
| 13:15.43 | petemc | openssh-client |
| 13:15.48 | abrotman | flabr: have you tried installing openssh-client ? |
| 13:15.49 | wols_ | and nmap is shit to check if a port is open. if you have access to the machine: netstat. or just telnet to the port |
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| 13:15.52 | petemc | flabr: ssh your@home |
| 13:16.21 | flabr | I cant find putty here ... at the universitie's pc... |
| 13:16.39 | abrotman | flabr: open xterm or similar .. ssh you@home.pc |
| 13:16.43 | flabr | nmap is definetely not a crap |
| 13:16.54 | flabr | right...thanks ... will try that |
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| 13:18.25 | abrotman | hehe .. he can find irc .. but not ssh |
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| 13:20.22 | flabr | weird...i tried ... ssh localhost@<my server's ip> and its not working...uner windows worked fine...maybe i do not have permission to run ssh |
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| 13:20.48 | petemc | flabr: can you telnet yourhomepc 22 |
| 13:22.18 | pablo | abrotman: raid 1 |
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| 13:23.42 | abrotman | pablo: okay .. so RAID is usually good .. what's your real question ? |
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| 13:24.43 | Bleupomme | flabr : ssh user@serverip |
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| 13:24.57 | pablo | abrotman: if someone uses it on his desktop and if it recommends it |
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| 13:25.01 | flabr | ahh...will ty that...telnet does not work |
| 13:26.04 | petemc | if telnet to port 22 doesnt work, ssh wont |
| 13:26.19 | petemc | with the obvious caveats to that statement |
| 13:26.25 | flabr | so weird...i first booted into crappy windows and worked |
| 13:26.56 | gynterk | is sshd working? |
| 13:27.01 | gynterk | under default port (22)? |
| 13:27.06 | abrotman | sshd at home |
| 13:27.23 | abrotman | flabr: what is the command you're using (you can obscure the hostname) |
| 13:27.25 | gynterk | ssh localhost@myserverip, wth? localhost is username ? |
| 13:27.40 | abrotman | oh .. duh |
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| 13:28.22 | flabr | i tried different things...actually...I run SSL Explorer at home...its a VPN suite....via that I could launch putty under windows and run ssh...under debian...I open SSL Explorer but putty does not launch |
| 13:28.31 | gynterk | it should be like $> ssh myuser@myhost |
| 13:28.35 | abrotman | flabr: ssh username@host |
| 13:28.47 | gynterk | and -p555 |
| 13:28.49 | gynterk | if you don |
| 13:28.54 | gynterk | 't use default port |
| 13:29.01 | gynterk | replace 555 with any port you use |
| 13:29.01 | flabr | right |
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| 13:29.59 | flabr | well..thanks guys..will boot into crappy windows again...have to check whats wrong when I get home |
| 13:30.06 | flabr | than ui |
| 13:30.09 | flabr | thank u i meant :) |
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| 13:30.54 | helo | yay weather forecasting |
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| 13:34.06 | pablo | abrotman: if someone uses it on his desktop and if it recommends it |
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| 13:37.10 | abrotman | pablo: raid1 is generally better for data retention .. it might be a bit slower for writing |
| 13:37.16 | abrotman | !raid |
| 13:37.17 | dpkg | somebody said raid was Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, or a type of bug spray |
| 13:37.39 | abrotman | !raid1 |
| 13:37.40 | dpkg | methinks raid1 is a single mirrored raid with a minimum of two drives |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | dpkg: that was no help |
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| 13:39.24 | grand_gr1nt | Does somebody remember the name of the multi-protocol line-command client? |
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| 13:40.04 | grand_gr1nt | for instant messaging |
| 13:41.03 | abrotman | finch? centericq? |
| 13:41.04 | alturiak | grand_gr1nt: bitlbee? |
| 13:41.15 | grand_gr1nt | abrotman: yes, centericq !! Thx |
| 13:41.37 | abrotman | grand_gr1nt: if you're running lenny/sid .. you might want to check out finch .. it uses pidgin's libpurple |
| 13:42.01 | grand_gr1nt | abrotman: it will run on a etch server |
| 13:42.22 | abrotman | ah .. centericq .. bitlbee might be worht checking also |
| 13:42.25 | simonrvn | ...backported |
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| 13:44.35 | grand_gr1nt | abrotman: need help about raid? |
| 13:45.13 | ttyS1 | is there a popular way to replace an exchance server with Debian ? |
| 13:45.44 | simonrvn | samba,heimdal,opeldap,openexchange |
| 13:45.48 | simonrvn | open* |
| 13:46.06 | ttyS1 | hum |
| 13:46.58 | abrotman | grand_gr1nt: uh .. not me |
| 13:47.14 | abrotman | simonrvn: calendaring? |
| 13:47.24 | fas3r | "/etc/init.d/snmptrapd" and "/etc/init.d/snmptrapfmt" is the same things ? |
| 13:47.28 | abrotman | i didn't think openexchange was a package |
| 13:47.34 | simonrvn | fas3r: no |
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| 13:47.41 | simonrvn | abrotman: it's not |
| 13:47.56 | simonrvn | it says open, but not very |
| 13:48.48 | fas3r | simonrvn: i ask this question because i have install snmptrapd but i doesn't find the start / stop script in /etc/init.d ... |
| 13:49.05 | abrotman | i thought chandler was working for outlook/exchange crap |
| 13:49.11 | simonrvn | it's included with the snmpd script |
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| 13:49.40 | simonrvn | enable the trapd in /etc/default/snmpd |
| 13:49.45 | sChaaa | hola |
| 13:49.52 | fas3r | simonrvn: ok ... well if i need to specify where is the script i specify /etc/init.d/snmpd ? |
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| 13:50.01 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
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| 13:50.34 | ttyS1 | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 13:50.40 | simonrvn | fas3r: you deduce correctly |
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| 13:51.07 | simonrvn | ttyS1: good luck. i hear openexchange is a PITA |
| 13:51.13 | meng_ | i got a two dual cores 2.0mhz procs system and /proc/cpuinfo should only 1.0mhz and 1.8mhz, any ideas why it not showing 2.0mhz? what's wrong? |
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| 13:51.21 | crab | hi. is there really no mod_proxy package for apache 1.x under debian (etch)? it isn't included in apache/apache-common, and there isn't a "libapache-mod-proxy", and i can't find anything obvious on google. |
| 13:51.28 | amphi | meng_: cpufreq probably |
| 13:51.44 | badcfe | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.47 | amphi | meng_: put a load on both cores, and then see what /proc/cpuinfo says |
| 13:52.03 | meng_ | where? in the BIOS setting |
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| 13:52.11 | amphi | meng_: or use the 'performance' cpufreq governor |
| 13:52.37 | madroach | Hi! I need my xinetd to listen on eth0 and lo, but not on ppp0. How do I do that? |
| 13:52.45 | amphi | meng_: mine says 800MHz ATM, on a 1.8GHz dual core |
| 13:53.05 | meng_ | i have cpuspeed service turn off. |
| 13:53.30 | meng_ | shouldn't that not affect the cpufreq? |
| 13:53.48 | meng_ | or is it done in the BIOS? |
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| 13:54.22 | simonrvn | madroach: you can have the child process listen only on whatever the ip for eth0 is |
| 13:54.22 | wols_ | done in hardware |
| 13:54.31 | amphi | meng_: what cpufreq governor is currently set? |
| 13:54.36 | wols_ | oh. newer kernels can do speedstep on their own |
| 13:54.41 | simonrvn | and depending on what it is it possibly can accept multiple ips |
| 13:54.46 | wols_ | no daemon neede. linux has no demons |
| 13:54.47 | meng_ | cpufreq governor? |
| 13:55.05 | meng_ | is it a program? |
| 13:55.12 | simonrvn | no |
| 13:55.22 | amphi | meng_: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 13:55.25 | badcfe | can i do apt-get remove bind ; apt-get install bind9 ? |
| 13:55.34 | madroach | simonrvn: could you explain that? What do you mean by child process? |
| 13:55.57 | simonrvn | whatever xinetd launches |
| 13:55.58 | fas3r | ok thank simonrvn ;) |
| 13:56.26 | madroach | simonrvn: could you explain that? What do you mean by child process? |
| 13:56.32 | fas3r | simonrvn: and what's snmptrapfmt ? :s |
| 13:56.39 | madroach | oh, sorry |
| 13:56.44 | simonrvn | i'm not sure if xinetd does that, you'll need to check the manual |
| 13:56.57 | meng_ | amphi: have not access to the system right now. |
| 13:57.04 | fas3r | simonrvn: no it's good : " A configurable snmp trap handler daemon for snmpd" |
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| 13:57.41 | simonrvn | fas3r: honestly i don't remember... do apt-cache show snmptrapfmt |
| 13:57.48 | simonrvn | :) |
| 13:57.59 | fas3r | ;) |
| 13:58.02 | xk | is it possible to boot an installed system with installer CD? |
| 13:58.05 | fas3r | i did this ;) |
| 13:58.09 | simonrvn | @wb xk |
| 13:58.10 | ravenbird | Welcome back xk, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chalk. |
| 13:58.12 | wols_ | xk: yes |
| 13:58.22 | wols_ | !tell xk about rescue |
| 13:58.24 | xk | because it seems different to what I remember years ago ;o |
| 13:58.36 | simonrvn | of course |
| 13:58.57 | wols_ | xk: it is a bit different on etch IIR |
| 13:59.38 | xk | so not possible to boot into it, once installed? |
| 13:59.55 | wols_ | !wayttd xk |
| 13:59.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, xk? |
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| 14:00.20 | xk | use the kernel form installer, and boot into an already installed system, like i could do 5+ years ago. |
| 14:00.37 | simonrvn | 2 more factoids added to the bird |
| 14:00.45 | wols_ | yes I made dpkg tell you how |
| 14:00.54 | wols_ | you run the kernel from CD, rest from hdd |
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| 14:01.02 | simonrvn | oh, just chroot to it |
| 14:01.03 | meng_ | is there way to turn off the cpufreq scaling? |
| 14:02.03 | vy | How can I "apt-cache search" in a repository, specifically etch-backports? |
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| 14:02.58 | wols_ | vy: us backports.org |
| 14:03.02 | amphi | meng_: why would you want to? |
| 14:03.03 | wols_ | *use |
| 14:03.04 | geggam | meng_, change /var/run/laptop-mode-tools/enabled to /var/run/laptop-mode-tools/disabled |
| 14:03.15 | wols_ | but if you have backports in your sources.list and update |
| 14:03.36 | wols_ | then apt-cache should work too |
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| 14:03.47 | jaggy- | is there a way to see where a program installs its menu entries from the commandline? (I have klipper installed but want to see where it is in kde's menus) |
| 14:03.52 | meng_ | it a rackmount server |
| 14:03.54 | vy | wols_: I try to avoid from browsing manually. |
| 14:04.14 | meng_ | i don't need to conserve power |
| 14:04.16 | wols_ | vy: there is no browsing. ther is a search |
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| 14:04.57 | vy | wols_: Is it possible to issue a search from command line without using a browsers or some sort of wget/telnet hack? |
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| 14:05.33 | jaggy- | and do what with the results? :) |
| 14:05.42 | vy | wols_: I just wonder if we can supply the repository to "apt-cache search". |
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| 14:07.08 | vy | jaggy-: Same as I do what with "apt-cache search foo" results. |
| 14:07.22 | madroach | rlinetd does the trick :) |
| 14:07.41 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 14:07.58 | jaggy- | ugh.. I'm thinking web browsing.. |
| 14:07.59 | daniel_John | are there problems with using alien to make an rpm into a deb. does debian recommend this or discourage it ? |
| 14:08.23 | SamuraiDio | hi, how can i use apt_listbugs to list ALL bugs of ALL packages? |
| 14:09.22 | meng_ | could it be that cpufreq scaling control by acpi power management system? |
| 14:09.54 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: i don't think you really want to do that |
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| 14:10.50 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, i was thinking of output rss and use as feed for my feed reader |
| 14:11.00 | SamuraiDio | err. if there and online feed for that? |
| 14:11.22 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: jesus .. why? |
| 14:11.44 | simonrvn | daniel_John: it's better to get a deb |
| 14:12.58 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: http://lists.debian.org/debian-bugs-dist/ |
| 14:13.01 | daniel_John | will a deb for ubuntu work ok ? |
| 14:13.01 | meng_ | cpufreq scaling is done in the kernel not by cpuspeed serivce, right? |
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| 14:14.03 | abrotman | daniel_John: we won't recommend that |
| 14:14.06 | simonrvn | daniel_John: it's not recommended. sometimes those will work, sometimes not |
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| 14:14.42 | SamuraiDio | daniel_John, check on the package docs if it wotks for both, if not, please, dont use it |
| 14:14.48 | SamuraiDio | works* |
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| 14:15.21 | SamuraiDio | would executables files under ~/bin work as commands? |
| 14:15.27 | Haris1 | guys |
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| 14:16.02 | Dewi | SamuraiDio: commands matching the names on any path in your PATH environment variable will work that way, yes |
| 14:16.02 | daniel_John | looks like ill be compiling from source. |
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| 14:18.54 | enouf | erm |
| 14:18.57 | enouf | ok |
| 14:19.11 | Haris1 | ok |
| 14:19.15 | enouf | debhelper: how are ya honey? ;-) |
| 14:19.15 | Haris1 | finally, I can speak |
| 14:19.17 | Haris1 | I'm still having the connectivity problem to squid on my transparent nat box. I built squid from source package for lenny a day or two ago. I haven't seen it use more than 150 FDs, but still I'm having this issue. At times, it just doesn't pick up connections |
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| 14:19.35 | Haris1 | what more can I check? |
| 14:19.44 | enouf | SamuraiDio: i find apt-listchanges a nice complementary pkg too ;-) |
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| 14:21.25 | daniel_John | do i need to be using testing in my sources list in order to get gimp 2.4 into etch ? |
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| 14:21.42 | abrotman | cute |
| 14:21.47 | crab | anyone? |
| 14:21.51 | enouf | it sometimes seems painful to have to go through all the changelogs of the various pkgs one might install at once, but apt-listchanges presents them to me while i install anything, but i find it worth it, usually i find a new feature, then go toy with it ;-) - keeps me updated |
| 14:22.30 | enouf | (naturally any/all bug fixes or still open bugs are listed, with numbers too) |
| 14:22.33 | Haris1 | o9k |
| 14:22.45 | Haris1 | I just confirmed, this problem is not with squid |
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| 14:24.13 | Haris1 | How can I tell that? because I set all connections to go out directly, rather than through squid |
| 14:24.31 | abrotman | crab: is it in the package already? |
| 14:24.35 | Haris1 | ..and I still received complaints throughout today |
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| 14:25.05 | Haris1 | what surprises me, is that, THIS only happens for traffic destined for port 80 |
| 14:25.07 | Haris1 | ONLY |
| 14:25.08 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: FYI .. looks like apt-listbugs could do it .. but i still don't think it would be useful |
| 14:25.27 | Haris1 | THIS only = this ONLY |
| 14:25.29 | SamuraiDio | uhun.. |
| 14:25.37 | abrotman | Haris1: we got it .. stop already |
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| 14:25.42 | Haris1 | Ok |
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| 14:26.08 | crab | abrotman: aha. you're right. it just isn't called mod_proxy, so grep wasn't finding it. thanks. |
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| 14:29.13 | Haris1 | the box has no cpu load, only 10% bandwidth is used out of the 100 Mbps at max, which is not constant |
| 14:29.21 | mohamed_ | hello all, can i compile kernel on machine and install it on other machine ? |
| 14:29.28 | Haris1 | I'm stumped as to what can cause this |
| 14:29.29 | abrotman | mohamed_: yes |
| 14:29.29 | Haris1 | o.o |
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| 14:30.27 | mohamed_ | thx, abrotman , i need to make anything extra or compile it in the normal way ? |
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| 14:34.22 | ricosecada | How do I write a debian img image to an USB stick? |
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| 14:37.35 | ricosecada | aah, just dd :-) |
| 14:38.36 | wal | can you change your m'board and CPU (keep same hard drive) and debian linux will still boot? |
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| 14:39.12 | tarzeau | wal: depends on the kernel, but yes |
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| 14:39.39 | tarzeau | wal: a 64bit kernel won't run on a 32bit cpu, and a k7 kernel won't run on p4 and vice versa |
| 14:39.54 | liable | and chip support |
| 14:40.26 | wal | ok. is all 32 bit. 2.6.21 |
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| 14:40.38 | daniel_John | im using etch should I use testing my sources list in order to get the package that i want ? |
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| 14:41.16 | vaq | How can i allow my NFS users to change permissions on a directory? right now i just get Permission denied |
| 14:41.35 | tarzeau | vaq: for which user and directory? ls -ld of it? |
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| 14:41.50 | wal | liable: re: the chip support - how does debian "adapt" to the new m'board chipset, assuming the kernel supports it ? |
| 14:41.51 | tarzeau | daniel_John: what pkg is it? |
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| 14:42.07 | vaq | tarzeau: when the user root try to change permissions on a directory i get "Permissions denied" |
| 14:42.08 | liable | wal: if the kernel supports it, your fine |
| 14:42.10 | daniel_John | tarbo, gimp 2.4 |
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| 14:42.16 | tarzeau | vaq: yeah that's normal |
| 14:42.25 | tarzeau | vaq: check the no_root_squash option |
| 14:42.25 | vaq | tarzeau: how do i fix this? |
| 14:42.33 | vaq | okay thanks |
| 14:42.44 | tarzeau | daniel_John: yeah you can't just get gimp 2.4 on etch to work. you could run it on a testing machine remotely though |
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| 14:43.08 | fas3r | it's possible to use ipsec with iptables ? |
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| 14:44.06 | daniel_John | Im reading that I should mix testing packages on etch. is that right ? |
| 14:44.13 | daniel_John | *shouldnt |
| 14:44.22 | wal | liable: chipset is VIA PT880 (775Dual-VSTA) |
| 14:45.09 | keta | fas3r: netfilter(iptables) is capable to mangle user space networking like an ipsec software which raises some tunnels |
| 14:45.38 | SamuraiDio | please, someone refresh my mind... to update alsa drivers: aptitude install -t unstalble alsa-source && m-a a-i alsa |
| 14:45.41 | wal | is there a definitive list of chipset supports for kernel version(s) x ? |
| 14:45.41 | SamuraiDio | is taht right? |
| 14:45.56 | SamuraiDio | ...or m-a a-i alsa-source? |
| 14:46.19 | Dewi | can grub boot from LVM? |
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| 14:48.31 | SamuraiDio | enouf, does apt-listchanges list changes before update just as listbugs list the bugs (this question looks redundant...)? |
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| 14:49.21 | enouf | SamuraiDio: i'm trying to recall - all i know is the listchanges appear prior to install completing |
| 14:49.27 | enouf | appears |
| 14:49.49 | enouf | SamuraiDio: it can also be configured though dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:50.01 | matt1606 | hello does anyone here tried to compile mac80211 v 10.0.4 into linx-2.6.24? |
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| 14:50.38 | wols_ | matt1606: we are allergic to metaquestion |
| 14:50.47 | matt1606 | ok sorry |
| 14:51.01 | matt1606 | does anyone succededdoing this |
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| 14:52.20 | keta | matt1606: nah we don't compile anything here, we have some slaves, called developers, they compile for us. |
| 14:52.26 | Dewi | matt1606: probably |
| 14:53.09 | matt1606 | keta: please dont tell me that kind of things |
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| 14:53.37 | keta | matt1606: if you don't want to know the truth, just ignore me. |
| 14:53.44 | matt1606 | keta: some times is good to do somethng on your mow |
| 14:53.51 | matt1606 | *own |
| 14:54.02 | petemc | its good to do things on your mow, too |
| 14:54.03 | wols_ | matt1606: as a real, specific question which comes to the point |
| 14:54.07 | wols_ | don#t do metaquestions |
| 14:54.21 | matt1606 | Dewi: and how did it go? |
| 14:54.36 | Dewi | wols_: they aren't really metaquestions, but they are bad questions :) |
| 14:54.55 | Dewi | matt1606: what does it matter? |
| 14:54.56 | keta | matt1606: indeed but the intent of my brave phrase was to tell you "hey, this isn't the right place to ask for "gcc -o a.out somecode.c" questions. |
| 14:55.26 | matt1606 | keta: so where is the correct place? |
| 14:55.46 | wols_ | matt1606: the correct thing is to tell us what errors you got if any and STFU if you didn' |
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| 14:55.49 | wols_ | t |
| 14:55.54 | matt1606 | ok |
| 14:55.55 | keta | matt1606: man gdb. |
| 14:56.09 | wols_ | and if you are lucky we might be able to help you point you in the right direction |
| 14:56.17 | Dewi | !tell matt1606 about ask |
| 14:56.31 | hoarycripple | how can I keep klogd from printing messages to every terminal? I have already added KLOGD="-c 1" to /etc/init.d/klogd, and this still prints cpu temp info to every terminal which is open. Can I suppress this altogether? |
| 14:57.02 | matt1606 | wols_: so i coped with the compilation errors (there were many) |
| 14:57.24 | Dewi | matt1606: cool. so what's the problem then? |
| 14:57.37 | wols_ | !tell matt1606 about errors |
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| 14:57.39 | Dewi | matt1606: we don't have time to sit here guessing |
| 14:57.42 | matt1606 | wols_: there is a newer wep.h and wep.c file |
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| 14:58.43 | keta | hoarycripple: uhm, suppressing the output is quite doable, the fact that your box is screaming about temperature everywhere is quite... odd. maybe your box need some fresh air |
| 14:59.03 | hoarycripple | keta, no, it just tells me that the cpu temperature is normal :) |
| 14:59.27 | hoarycripple | keta, that's why it is so annoying...if it were something important, I wouldn't mind so much |
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| 14:59.55 | maligor | normal as in.... I'm boiling vegetables on the cpu normal? |
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| 15:00.34 | hoarycripple | maligor, the exact output: neuromancer kernel: CPU1: Temperature/speed normal |
| 15:00.47 | maligor | heh |
| 15:01.05 | matt1606 | which is different from the version thats in the oryginal debian kernel source package and there were also errors with compiling it also but i menaged to correct them and when i tried to connect to a wireless network with wep encryption using iwl3945 v 1.2.25 the connection freazes |
| 15:01.14 | keta | hoarycripple: try to read the comment nearby the end of /etc/syslog.conf |
| 15:01.15 | maligor | where does that originate from? acpi? |
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| 15:02.08 | keta | hoarycripple: and don't touch the klogd init script, rather rollback to its defaults |
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| 15:02.10 | hoarycripple | keta, thanks! that does the trick |
| 15:02.40 | hoarycripple | keta, i will do that...i adjusted the init script as it was suggested as a fix on the debian bug tracker |
| 15:02.54 | FordCortina | is there a way to unset environment variables in gnome without logging out? |
| 15:02.59 | hoarycripple | keta, but the etc/syslog.conf edit does the trick :) |
| 15:03.01 | hoarycripple | thanks again |
| 15:03.07 | abrotman | FordCortina: unset |
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| 15:03.22 | mohamed_ | another question:) - my ubuntu pc is faster can i compile the kernel on it and install it on debian lenny pc , or it must be all debian ? |
| 15:03.32 | FordCortina | abrotman: doesn't that only work for the current subshell? |
| 15:03.39 | FordCortina | for a* subshell |
| 15:03.41 | abrotman | FordCortina: ah ok |
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| 15:05.42 | vy | Hi! If I appended "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" line to my sources.list. Can I define some sort of label for this mirror to be able to issue "apt-get install -t debian-multimedia ..." command? |
| 15:05.50 | keta | mohamed_: you won't have "unknown" problems only if you do a chroot of lenny and then compile stuff within it. |
| 15:06.23 | mohamed_ | thx, keta |
| 15:06.37 | mohamed_ | then i search how chroot another pc :) |
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| 15:08.56 | keta | mohamed_: no you just need to know how to do a debian chroot on the ubuntu machine, which is easy doable, ubuntu has debootstrap that is the right tool to download a base system, for ubuntu and debian both. |
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| 15:11.06 | keta | vy: study the apt man page about package pinning |
| 15:11.17 | simonrvn | vy: no, not for that one |
| 15:11.23 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 15:11.23 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 15:11.33 | matt1606 | so maybe once again: I'm using debian lenny/sid vith kernel 2.6.24. I have a problem with connectiong to a wireless router using wep encrypiton. To compile the newest iwl3945 module I first needed to compile the newest mac80211 v. 10.0.4. After patching the kernel for new mac subsystem there were several problems with getting it build. I'm not a C programmer but i can program in C++ so i eliminnated the errors correcting some files (in the pro |
| 15:11.33 | matt1606 | the mac subsystem and after that the correct iwl3945 v. 1.2.25 kernel module.every thing worked ok - scanning, searching for networks, connecting to unencrypted networks also. But there is a problem with the wep encryption since the connection is freazing and sending an authentification time timeout on dmesg since I've compiled the iwl module with debbuging option. That is the full description of my problem. |
| 15:11.38 | simonrvn | vy: though you can set a local one for it with what keta said |
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| 15:13.17 | simonrvn | vy: looking at its Release file for the suite or codename tells you this info |
| 15:14.37 | techouse | i get this error when compiling ipw3945-modules for the sid kernel (2.6.24-1-686) with module-assistant http://pastebin.com/m48b64a32 |
| 15:14.46 | fas3r | what's the better anti virus on linux ? ( |
| 15:14.54 | techouse | clamav |
| 15:15.45 | fas3r | techouse: it's free ... it's possible i use it in my company ... :( ? |
| 15:15.56 | techouse | but you could also try symantec antivirus...but i don't know if it supports debian that well...it's made for rhel and suse |
| 15:16.03 | techouse | it's free, yes |
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| 15:16.12 | matt1606 | techouse: I have had more errors |
| 15:16.17 | techouse | and it works great in kde :) |
| 15:16.29 | fas3r | techouse: i need to use X ? |
| 15:16.50 | techouse | uhm....dunno...i never tried clamav in bash |
| 15:16.52 | techouse | :D |
| 15:16.54 | fas3r | or it's possible i use just command line and use it with web interface .. :( sorry for stupid question ... :( |
| 15:17.30 | techouse | matt1606: umm...then how the hell am i supposed to run ipw3945 on the sid kernel? |
| 15:17.36 | matt1606 | techouse: what version of iwl3945 were You building? |
| 15:17.54 | techouse | the sid one, i guess...lemme see |
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| 15:18.06 | techouse | as i am not completely sure |
| 15:18.50 | matt1606 | techouse: the one compiled with the 2.6.24 kernel is the 1.2.13 - I think |
| 15:19.01 | techouse | hmm... |
| 15:19.09 | matt1606 | techouse: or maybe 1.1.13... |
| 15:19.32 | geggam | does the 3945 have firmware like the 2200 ? |
| 15:19.37 | fas3r | if you prefer i need to build a gateway on linux ( with iptables, squid and antivirus ) .. but it's not necessary i use X .. |
| 15:19.39 | techouse | i got 1.2.2-1 |
| 15:19.45 | techouse | source |
| 15:20.00 | matt1606 | techouse: for the newest versions from intels website is 1.2.25 |
| 15:20.02 | amphi | geggam: yes; all intel cards do, AFAIK |
| 15:20.19 | techouse | oh...so i have to toss debian packages :D |
| 15:20.23 | geggam | im running the 2200 and it compiled without a hitch |
| 15:20.23 | techouse | lemme see |
| 15:20.25 | techouse | :D |
| 15:20.29 | amphi | geggam: the older driver also needs a daemon |
| 15:20.45 | amphi | geggam: it doesn't need the fw at compile time |
| 15:20.59 | matt1606 | geggam: 2200 isn't the same as iwl3945 |
| 15:21.21 | geggam | the numbers sort of gave that away matt1606 |
| 15:21.46 | vy | simonrvn: From where can I get its Release file? |
| 15:21.53 | haxor_ | i finally hooked up my wireless realtek 8187b card on a toshiba notebook running testing. |
| 15:21.56 | amphi | there's lies, damn lies, and version numbers |
| 15:21.57 | matt1606 | geggam: readabout what are you talking about and then write |
| 15:22.03 | wols_ | haxor_: what driver? |
| 15:22.12 | wols_ | realtek wlan is a bich |
| 15:22.13 | Haris1 | what governs number of connections ? |
| 15:22.13 | haxor_ | a modified driver |
| 15:22.21 | haxor_ | yea it is |
| 15:22.29 | haxor_ | took me more than a month |
| 15:22.29 | geggam | matt1606, play the l33t linux nerd with someone else |
| 15:22.31 | wols_ | haxor_: where is the driver from? |
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| 15:22.43 | wols_ | Haris1: your network stack? |
| 15:23.12 | matt1606 | geggam: ipw2200 doesn;t use mac80211 |
| 15:23.15 | Haris1 | stack size (kbytes, -s) 8192 |
| 15:23.20 | wols_ | geggam: it does have firmware |
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| 15:23.33 | haxor_ | wols i got it there http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/ |
| 15:23.35 | Haris1 | is this small? |
| 15:23.36 | geggam | i gathered that wols_ ..that was all i was asking |
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| 15:23.39 | techouse | matt1606: so i dl and compile this: iwlwifi-1.2.25.tgz |
| 15:23.42 | techouse | ? |
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| 15:23.58 | techouse | or this: iwlwifi-4965-ucode-4.44.1.20.tgz |
| 15:24.07 | matt1606 | techouse: you can try but on my laptop it was impossible |
| 15:24.21 | techouse | oh...crap |
| 15:24.24 | techouse | wot then? |
| 15:24.31 | matt1606 | techouse: because you have to compile newer version of amc80211 first |
| 15:24.42 | techouse | oh |
| 15:24.42 | matt1606 | *mac80211 |
| 15:24.58 | matt1606 | and there is also a problem with compiling mac80211 |
| 15:25.00 | techouse | mac80211-10.0.4.tgz |
| 15:25.00 | techouse | this? |
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| 15:25.03 | techouse | lol |
| 15:25.08 | matt1606 | exactly |
| 15:25.15 | techouse | so is there any way to get it working on sid? |
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| 15:25.39 | amphi | matt1606: what problem? |
| 15:25.39 | matt1606 | I've managed to compile the mac80211 and then the iwl driver |
| 15:25.42 | haxor_ | wols u got it? |
| 15:25.57 | techouse | matt1606: and it works? |
| 15:26.02 | matt1606 | but wep encryption isn't working |
| 15:26.08 | techouse | crap |
| 15:26.18 | DEadPuNk- | hellooo here |
| 15:26.24 | matt1606 | everything else seems to work ok |
| 15:26.42 | techouse | well...i'll give it a shot |
| 15:26.44 | techouse | :) |
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| 15:27.12 | matt1606 | amphi: have you tried to compile mac80211 v 10.0.4 on linux-2.6.24? |
| 15:27.17 | ricosecada | Hi, how would someone get this Debian live USB unto a USB stick? http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-live-devel/2007-February/000790.html |
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| 15:28.10 | matt1606 | techouse: but ypu can use the newer version of the iwl driver from the debian kernel trunk |
| 15:28.23 | matt1606 | techouse: it's in version 1.2.23 in there |
| 15:28.23 | Haris1 | Is there a formula for calculating the needed stack size for a process (say like for squid) ? |
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| 15:28.50 | zwox | hi there |
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| 15:28.57 | matt1606 | techouse: but teh mac80211-10.0.4 doesn't compile on it either |
| 15:29.06 | techouse | matt1606: got a link to the debian package? |
| 15:29.06 | bulio | how can I configure my debian etch server so it can send mail via phpmail()? |
| 15:29.24 | techouse | i can't see shit in synaptic :PÅ |
| 15:29.33 | liable | linuxwireless.org .. get the compat package and build |
| 15:29.34 | matt1606 | techouse: you can use Linus vanilla kerenel |
| 15:29.41 | matt1606 | techouse: or a debin repo |
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| 15:30.24 | mmu_man | hi, I've been having an issue with the tomcat package in debian stable... org.apache.commons.dbcp.PoolingDataSource$PoolGuardConnectionWrapper is missing. I think it might be due to it being moved to a different java package name (org.apache.tomcat.dbcp) without care for compatibility in a minor release of tomcat... |
| 15:30.25 | techouse | hmm...so i need to compile my own kernel? :P |
| 15:30.31 | amphi | matt1606: no - why does it crap out? |
| 15:30.53 | matt1606 | techouse: yes |
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| 15:31.06 | techouse | matt1606: crap...i'm 2lazy for that :D |
| 15:31.09 | liable | techouse: no, you can build the modules from the site above i mentioned |
| 15:31.12 | mmu_man | weird stuff is commons-dbcp.jar in common/lib seems to contain it but either the jar path misses it or it's broken somehow |
| 15:31.13 | matt1606 | amphi: because of incompatibility with the kernels source |
| 15:31.25 | mmu_man | happens in ubuntu as well... |
| 15:31.44 | amphi | matt1606: ah; I'm just using what's in 2.6.24.2 |
| 15:31.48 | techouse | liable: lemme see |
| 15:31.48 | matt1606 | amphi: some functions are not declarated in the correct way |
| 15:31.59 | Haris1 | does tuning ulimit -s value help this? increasing value for -> stack size |
| 15:32.00 | matt1606 | amphi: i understand |
| 15:32.31 | amphi | matt1606: it'd be nice if the wireless led worked, but I'm not going to suffer much to get that functionality ;) |
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| 15:32.51 | matt1606 | amphi: I'm not a kernel hacker but i managed to correct those errors but not the wep.c and wep.h ones |
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| 15:33.02 | liable | amphi: there was patches for that recently. hopefully the slack fuckers get it included soon. |
| 15:33.41 | mmu_man | the user-contributed docs about OpenAguila installation on ubuntu talks about installing tomcat by hand... as it seems to work better, but that's not the cleanest way. If the package is broken it should be fixed |
| 15:33.45 | techouse | liable: emm...it just links to intellinuxwireless.org |
| 15:33.51 | amphi | liable: yeah, I had seen there were patches, but sloth got the better of me ;) |
| 15:33.58 | liable | techouse: no it doesnt |
| 15:34.05 | techouse | hmm |
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| 15:34.49 | liable | techouse: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download |
| 15:35.11 | techouse | ah...that http://linuxwireless.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-2.6.tar.bz2 |
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| 15:37.32 | techouse | liable: so i remove all the 3945 debian packages i installed for lenny? |
| 15:38.21 | liable | techouse: no need to remove anything. it will just build for whatever running kernel. |
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| 15:38.36 | techouse | ok |
| 15:38.38 | techouse | :) |
| 15:38.53 | larsl | Is there a way to downgrade a package without first removing it? |
| 15:38.53 | techouse | oh...yeah...i see the organization :) |
| 15:38.58 | liable | techouse: and if you have already loaded modules, remove them, or reboot |
| 15:39.09 | larsl | I want to go back to libxine1-misc-plugins 1.1.8 from 1.1.10. |
| 15:39.21 | techouse | emmm...no they aren't loaded since i couldn't build one :) |
| 15:39.30 | wols_ | !downgrade |
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| 15:39.30 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 15:40.38 | larsl | Bah. I'll just install the JACK plugin manually then. |
| 15:40.43 | mmu_man | seems like noone else uses tomcat... :^) |
| 15:41.07 | geggam | i managed to get lucky and change the apt sources .... ran an "update" and upgrade ... moved from testing to stable wols ... did that 2 years ago |
| 15:41.26 | geggam | box still works :) |
| 15:41.53 | mohamed_ | mmu_man, i'm using tomcat, :) |
| 15:42.03 | geggam | there were some "minor" issues in the process |
| 15:42.10 | mmu_man | ah mohamed_ :) |
| 15:42.20 | mmu_man | I'm contributing to OpenAguila, a french ERP using tomcat |
| 15:42.26 | mmu_man | http://www.openaguila.org/ |
| 15:42.31 | rdz | hi all. how to run a command under gdb? |
| 15:42.41 | geggam | gdb ... help |
| 15:42.43 | techouse | liable: is there a way to make only module and not all of them? like make iwl3945 or something? |
| 15:42.46 | rdz | i am not sure, if i even understand the concept of gdp |
| 15:42.55 | mmu_man | and I have some issues when bills must be put in the db for archival as binary blob... everything else seems to work. |
| 15:43.00 | rdz | geggam, i wouldn't have asked, if i would have understood the man page |
| 15:43.11 | geggam | good point |
| 15:43.11 | mmu_man | (after a lot of fixes in ubuntu but that's another story :) |
| 15:43.16 | liable | techouse: i dont know actually. |
| 15:43.19 | drwahl | if i have 2 video cards installed, and they are not identical, will they both be able to perform at their peak, or will they only perform at the least common denominator? |
| 15:43.20 | techouse | lol |
| 15:43.33 | amphi | rdz: there are several gdb tutorials on the web |
| 15:43.48 | geggam | what problem are u having rdz |
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| 15:44.18 | liable | techouse: having them all built though wont hurt, when you boot, only the required modules will be loaded.. |
| 15:44.22 | mohamed_ | mmu_man, i understand that your problem is how to install it manual ? |
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| 15:44.38 | techouse | memi@Satellite:/compat-wireless-2.6$ sudo make iwl3945 |
| 15:44.38 | techouse | make: *** No rule to make target `iwl3945'. Stop. |
| 15:44.39 | techouse | :P |
| 15:44.52 | rdz | geggam, i don't know how to simply run a command under gsb |
| 15:44.53 | techouse | ok, if you say so |
| 15:44.54 | techouse | := |
| 15:44.55 | techouse | :) |
| 15:44.59 | rdz | sorryi, i mean gdb |
| 15:45.12 | mmu_man | mohamed_ no it's how not to have to :) |
| 15:45.15 | geggam | do u have a core file rdz ? |
| 15:45.16 | bulio | how can I configure my debian etch server so it can send mail via phpmail()? |
| 15:45.23 | geggam | from an application crash rdz |
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| 15:45.28 | mmu_man | I want to stick to the package because it's cleaner, but I want it fixed :) |
| 15:45.38 | techouse | rdz: using run or r or something like that? |
| 15:45.49 | rdz | geggam, no.. i am expecting a crash.. and i though i should start the programm under gdb |
| 15:46.17 | rdz | techouse, when i do 'gdb run mycommand' it goes into interactive mode |
| 15:46.20 | mmu_man | maybe I can try to force using a the testing package of tomcat to see if it's fixed. |
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| 15:46.44 | geggam | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~gilpin/tutorial/ rdz |
| 15:46.46 | techouse | rdz: interactive? |
| 15:46.57 | rdz | also when i do 'gdb mycomand' or 'gdb --exec=path/to/command' |
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| 15:47.03 | larsl | gdb --args myprog arg1 arg2 |
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| 15:47.16 | techouse | liable: so when i boot the modules load automatically, you say? |
| 15:47.20 | rdz | techouse, yo.. a gdb prompt starts |
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| 15:47.24 | rdz | larsl, aah thanks |
| 15:47.28 | mohamed_ | mmu_man,i'm using tomcat with cocoon, without any problem, maybe this different than your case , but unfortunatly i have no knowledge about OpenAguila. |
| 15:47.29 | rdz | i'll try |
| 15:48.02 | mmu_man | asked on #tomcat too, no answer so far |
| 15:48.10 | haxor_ | how can i save my wireless network config so when i bootup i dont have to reconfigure the wireless card? |
| 15:48.25 | rdz | larsl, thank you so much |
| 15:48.29 | geggam | anyone got a job ? ... im sick of contracting... i want a nice warm office with the humming of servers and the blinky light of the phone call im ignoring |
| 15:48.36 | amphi | rdz: and then 'run' at the gdb prompt (if that's what you want to do) |
| 15:48.41 | s2rth | hi |
| 15:48.42 | techouse | haxor_: edit /etc/network/interfaces :) |
| 15:48.52 | rdz | amphi, yupp.. that is it.. thanks |
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| 15:49.17 | geggam | andmy wife naggeth when i sit in IRC instead of marketing myself |
| 15:49.30 | geggam | it is friday right ? |
| 15:49.34 | techouse | yes |
| 15:49.37 | techouse | lol |
| 15:49.44 | geggam | im quitting early |
| 15:49.53 | techouse | good! :) |
| 15:49.59 | s2rth | i wud like to know, is there any way to rebuild debian packages from installed system |
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| 15:50.09 | Rigel | how are you gentlemen |
| 15:50.24 | techouse | s2rth: what do you mean by rebuild? |
| 15:50.40 | s2rth | recreating debian pacages |
| 15:50.43 | s2rth | for eg: |
| 15:50.51 | wols_ | s2rth: apt-gt source the package and build it |
| 15:50.53 | s2rth | i installed aptoncd.deb |
| 15:51.05 | s2rth | cleaned the cache |
| 15:51.10 | amphi | Rigel: main screen turn on |
| 15:51.15 | wols_ | !tell s2rth about apt howto |
| 15:51.17 | s2rth | if i want to beuild aptoncd |
| 15:51.22 | s2rth | from installed |
| 15:51.38 | Haris1 | What happens when we increase stack size? |
| 15:51.48 | techouse | s2rth: you can also backport (which is my personal preference) |
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| 15:52.12 | s2rth | backport |
| 15:52.13 | s2rth | ? |
| 15:52.16 | s2rth | is that a tool |
| 15:52.23 | techouse | no, a process |
| 15:52.23 | wols_ | Haris1: you have a bigger stack |
| 15:52.24 | techouse | :) |
| 15:52.32 | wols_ | !tell s2rth about simple sid backport |
| 15:53.13 | Haris1 | wols_: Well, I don't understand what that means |
| 15:53.25 | wols_ | then don't bother |
| 15:53.38 | wols_ | it's not the source of your problems unless your squid constantly crashes |
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| 15:53.53 | techouse | s2rth: you download the source like wols_ said (or you download the orig.tar.gz and diff.gz and patch them together) and get a newer source of the same application and use uupdate to make a "debian" source and then comile your own package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 15:54.08 | jaggy- | okay.. ntpdate is setting my clock one hour ahead.. it's 7:53 pacific time right now as far as I know |
| 15:54.25 | s2rth | i didnt mean that |
| 15:54.36 | s2rth | i dont want to build debs from source |
| 15:54.47 | jaggy- | tzconfig has been used to [properly] set to US/Pacific |
| 15:54.51 | techouse | wot then? |
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| 15:54.58 | haxor_ | ok techhouse |
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| 15:55.03 | s2rth | i installed somethings |
| 15:55.10 | s2rth | as apt-get install tux |
| 15:55.15 | techouse | k |
| 15:55.17 | s2rth | and its a tux.deb package |
| 15:55.21 | techouse | yes |
| 15:55.26 | wols_ | !enter |
| 15:55.26 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 15:55.31 | s2rth | then i dont hav deb package any more |
| 15:55.44 | techouse | ah, that :) |
| 15:55.46 | Haris1 | squid never crashes. It just doesn't answer at times |
| 15:56.01 | s2rth | i removed it. then i want to get tux.deb back |
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| 15:56.27 | techouse | it's still somewhere :) I forgot where; the easiest way for you is to look on http://packages.debian.org/ for that package and sownload the .deb :) |
| 15:56.40 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.48 | techouse | yeah...there :) |
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| 15:58.43 | jaggy- | help, my time is broken :/ |
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| 15:59.05 | jaggy- | maybe my real clock is set wrong |
| 15:59.16 | techouse | now let me see what i can get from sid and still keep the lappy stable :D |
| 15:59.38 | s2rth | thnks |
| 16:00.03 | techouse | damn....synaptic is the most stupid package manager i've ever seen :P |
| 16:00.20 | techouse | is there something like kpackage for gnome? |
| 16:00.43 | wols_ | techouse: cli > * |
| 16:00.46 | drwahl | techouse: apt-get |
| 16:00.47 | drwahl | :) |
| 16:00.47 | wols_ | techouse: use aptitude |
| 16:00.48 | techouse | lol |
| 16:01.00 | techouse | i use aptitude in 80% |
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| 16:01.07 | liable | techouse: yes, udev should load them |
| 16:01.17 | drwahl | if i have 2 video cards installed, and they are not identical, will they both be able to perform at their peak, or will they only perform at the least common denominator? |
| 16:01.21 | techouse | but some gui is nice sometimes |
| 16:01.23 | techouse | :) |
| 16:01.25 | wols_ | techouse: backport! don't just install |
| 16:01.47 | wols_ | drwahl: they will. not totally sure if the 2nd can do 3D |
| 16:01.48 | techouse | LOL |
| 16:02.00 | techouse | are you serious :D |
| 16:02.35 | bulio | how do I get phpmail working on a Debian etch server? |
| 16:02.35 | wols_ | techouse: about what? |
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| 16:02.35 | drwahl | wols_: hmm, i will keep searching then, thanks |
| 16:02.35 | techouse | bacporting sid sources to lenny :P |
| 16:02.35 | wols_ | bulio: is your mailsystem itself working? |
| 16:02.41 | bulio | wols_: no |
| 16:02.43 | wols_ | techouse: yes I am |
| 16:02.48 | bulio | I assume I need to install sendmail? |
| 16:02.54 | wols_ | bulio: then make it work first or phpmail can't work |
| 16:02.56 | techouse | w00t?! backport OOo :D |
| 16:02.56 | wols_ | bulio: no |
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| 16:03.22 | wols_ | bulio: use either exim4 or postfix |
| 16:03.40 | techouse | thanx...you reminded me that i need to remove this pesty exim4 |
| 16:03.42 | techouse | :D |
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| 16:03.58 | bulio | wols_: why not sendmail? |
| 16:04.07 | wols_ | !sendmail |
| 16:04.07 | dpkg | it has been said that sendmail is a huge bloated insecure <Mail Transfer Agent>. Also me ask about <sendmail rant> and <mta comparison>. |
| 16:04.07 | petemc | techouse: pesty? |
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| 16:04.30 | wols_ | petemc: it is a pest of course |
| 16:04.33 | bulio | phpmail requirements: For the Mail functions to be available, PHP must have access to the sendmail binary on your system during compile time. |
| 16:04.44 | bulio | !mta comparison |
| 16:04.44 | dpkg | mta comparison is, like, http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison |
| 16:05.05 | mmu_man | oops, that's for Haiku :) |
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| 16:05.10 | techouse | petemc: pest = plague; pesty = plaguish :D |
| 16:05.24 | petemc | techouse: whys that then? |
| 16:05.39 | petemc | actually, i dont care |
| 16:05.44 | haxor_ | techouse what lines i gotta add for wlan? |
| 16:05.45 | techouse | it takes 40 sec at boot |
| 16:06.01 | petemc | techouse: thats a misconfiguration problem, your fault |
| 16:06.05 | techouse | haxor_: these |
| 16:06.06 | techouse | auto eth1 |
| 16:06.06 | techouse | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
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| 16:06.16 | techouse | then you add the rest |
| 16:06.25 | techouse | like wpa-essid |
| 16:06.25 | haxor_ | k |
| 16:06.27 | techouse | etc.. |
| 16:06.51 | techouse | petemc: meh...i don't even use it in the 1st place :D |
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| 16:07.44 | techouse | last time i took my usb-key to a print© place to print me some handouts and when i got it back nod32 got 3 viruses and 2 worms :P |
| 16:07.57 | techouse | can you believe that!!! |
| 16:08.06 | petemc | yes! |
| 16:09.47 | jaggy- | techouse, shouldn't get too close to some of those people! |
| 16:10.21 | DEadPuNk | hellooo i just install debian4.0 and i change my sources.list to repos in south africa |
| 16:10.27 | DEadPuNk | but i got errors |
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| 16:11.19 | DEadPuNk | anyone can tell me how can i add repos |
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| 16:11.23 | drwahl | wow, that mta comparision article is pretty dang good |
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| 16:13.24 | fufik | hi,people! |
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| 16:16.09 | bulio | can anyone point me to a guide on how to setup postfix? |
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| 16:17.10 | runa_ | what does it mean :: Compatibility mode, properties unknown.do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly.Try running with LIBGL_THROTTLE_REFRESH and LIBL_SYNC_REFRESH unset. |
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| 16:17.54 | bulio | !postfix |
| 16:17.55 | dpkg | it has been said that postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike <sendmail> so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix @ irc.freenode.net |
| 16:18.53 | darsie | How do I enable the PHP function http_get? "apt-get install php-pear"? |
| 16:19.24 | pumpkin0 | i want something like screen for X11 programms. I do not want a VNC-style thing (not the whole desktop, just one programm). Is that possible and how ? |
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| 16:20.29 | alex12 | hi guys im having a problem with ssh shared keys, on server 1) ive setup the dsa keys, and copied the pub key to server 2 .. on server 2) i cat this pub file into my root authorized keys file, and a user called alex's authorized keys file, both with correct permissions ..... logging into server 2 FROM server 1 with root works fine, and i login immedatly, but loggin in with user alex prompt me with password, debug shows nothing helpful, w |
| 16:20.29 | alex12 | hat is wrong!! this has been driving me nuts for hours |
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| 16:23.58 | Timsen | alex12: take a look to /var/log/auth.log it should show the reason for the problem |
| 16:24.10 | alex12 | it shows nothing |
| 16:24.29 | alex12 | it just says its looking at the /home/alex/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 16:24.30 | alex12 | and thats it |
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| 16:24.43 | alex12 | but for some reason doesnt log me in automaticly |
| 16:24.49 | pumpkin0 | alex12: did you create the pub-keys for user alex or for user root ? |
| 16:25.17 | alex12 | user alex |
| 16:25.28 | alex12 | server 1) created the keys as user alex |
| 16:25.35 | Timsen | what permissions has the directory /home/alex ? |
| 16:26.02 | pumpkin0 | and you cat'ed the pub-part into /home/alex/.shh/auth... ? |
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| 16:26.14 | alex12 | Timsen, 755 |
| 16:26.15 | jelly | can I tell aptitude to install Suggests for a particular package, but still keep it marked auto? |
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| 16:26.21 | alex12 | pumpkin0, cat'ed |
| 16:26.28 | alex12 | authorized keys + .ssh dir are 600 |
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| 16:27.21 | jelly | alex12: .ssh dir is probably 700, though |
| 16:28.02 | alex12 | see looksie this: |
| 16:28.11 | jelly | or should be, directories need their x bits |
| 16:28.37 | Timsen | alex12: and if you do a ssh -v -v from server2 if you try to login? possibly there you can see a reason |
| 16:28.39 | alex12 | server 1) im user alex, i try logging in with root@server2 works... i try then, alex@server2 , doesnt. |
| 16:28.48 | alex12 | Timsen, no errors Timsen |
| 16:29.37 | pumpkin0 | alex12: and user alex on server1 has bith id_dsa-files in ~/.ssh ? |
| 16:29.45 | alex12 | yes |
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| 16:29.53 | alex12 | i even specify it with -i id_dsa |
| 16:30.00 | alex12 | and ensure im using the same ones. |
| 16:30.43 | Timsen | alex12: and if you give your /home/alex on server2 744 as permission? |
| 16:31.05 | alex12 | drwxr--r-- 2 root root 4096 2008-03-14 16:08 .ssh |
| 16:31.07 | alex12 | this ok? |
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| 16:31.14 | jaggy- | ttyl |
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| 16:31.25 | alex12 | and inside .ssh/* = 600? |
| 16:31.43 | SleepingSloth | 'afternoon. is there a specific channel for games on debian? |
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| 16:32.34 | Timsen | alex12: you can compare the .ssh directory from your root user where it works |
| 16:33.17 | alex12 | Timsen, sure and it is now... |
| 16:33.21 | alex12 | still not working =/ =/ |
| 16:33.50 | Timsen | when you do a ssh -v -v take again a look to server2 in the /var/log/auth.log file |
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| 16:34.44 | dmagri_ | close |
| 16:34.51 | alex12 | sshd logs throw no errors while looking at keys |
| 16:34.54 | alex12 | ill pastey it |
| 16:34.59 | alex12 | pastebin |
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| 16:35.46 | Glanzmann | Hello; |
| 16:35.50 | Glanzmann | Where can I get a recent X-server for etch? |
| 16:36.17 | Glanzmann | I would like to have a rotated display on 1920x1600 on a recent intel graphic card. |
| 16:36.59 | Glanzmann | If possible today. |
| 16:37.10 | alex12 | Timsen, http://paste.debian.net/51174 |
| 16:37.15 | SleepingSloth | if an application uses 100% cpu when i don't expect it to, where should i start looking for clues as to what the problem is? I know this is quite general, but I'm a bit stumped |
| 16:37.22 | drwahl | Glanzmann: its an xorg.conf config tweak |
| 16:37.36 | Glanzmann | drwahl: Okay. Could you elaborate? |
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| 16:38.00 | alex12 | Timsen, one shows root, the other the second user alex12 |
| 16:38.03 | drwahl | Glanzmann: find some documentation for xorg.conf and it should be easy to find. i do not know off the top of my head, but you seemed to be looking for a quick answer :) |
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| 16:38.06 | Glanzmann | My problem is that the xserver that comes with etch does only get me 1600x1200 |
| 16:38.18 | Glanzmann | drwahl: So you don't have a clue? |
| 16:38.29 | Glanzmann | I know how to rotate a display. |
| 16:38.38 | Glanzmann | And I know how to specify a resolution. |
| 16:38.39 | drwahl | nope, thats all i got, sorry :) |
| 16:38.54 | Glanzmann | I am looking for an updated xserver package. |
| 16:38.55 | Timsen | alex12: is that a output of a login try with the verbose mode of ssh ? ssh -v -v |
| 16:39.00 | chops | What shell command can I use to extract the first line from stdin that comes after a particular regexp? |
| 16:39.11 | \amethyst | chops: grep -A maybe |
| 16:39.26 | \amethyst | chops: or ed |
| 16:39.48 | chops | \amethyst: grep -A 1 foo | tail -n1 works, thanks |
| 16:39.50 | myosound | Glanzmann: lookup xrandr. I'm using that on my thinkpad tablet. although your mileage may vary |
| 16:40.09 | Glanzmann | I do know about xrand. |
| 16:40.18 | Glanzmann | I need an updated xserver with a recent intel module. |
| 16:40.19 | chops | It seems like this should be an easy problem to solve with awk or sed or csplit or... some single tool other than perl -pe... but for some reason I'm drawing a blank |
| 16:40.21 | Glanzmann | for debian etch |
| 16:40.26 | Glanzmann | Is there such a thing? |
| 16:40.44 | alex12 | Timsen, http://paste.debian.net/51175 |
| 16:42.11 | alex12 | Timsen, looks almost exactly the same as root |
| 16:42.32 | Timsen | alex12: why do you have an authorized_keys and a authorized_keys2 file in the .ssh dir of alex? |
| 16:42.46 | alex12 | was purely for tesing |
| 16:43.14 | \amethyst | alex12: debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN' |
| 16:43.26 | \amethyst | alex12: looks like maybe you put the wrong kind of key in your authorized_keys ? |
| 16:43.36 | alex12 | \amethyst, nope i put the pub key |
| 16:43.49 | \amethyst | alex12: where does that "BEGIN" come from then? |
| 16:43.55 | alex12 | the dsa |
| 16:43.58 | \amethyst | alex12: because that's part of the private key |
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| 16:44.18 | Timsen | alex12: but you defined the identy file with the -i option |
| 16:44.19 | alex12 | youve got it wrong \amethyst |
| 16:44.30 | alex12 | eh? oh i have? |
| 16:44.32 | alex12 | erm |
| 16:44.52 | alex12 | so -i is where im going wrong here? |
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| 16:45.09 | Timsen | it should use the id_dsa.pub file frm /home/alex/.ssh |
| 16:45.11 | myosound | Glanzmann: you can try installing teh xorg from testing by pinning it, but that can get very messy because it pulls everything with it from testing too |
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| 16:45.35 | ryushe_ | hi there, I've been searching around, can't find it so far. What package do I have to install to get stuff like MC and kernel build interface look 'nice' instead of unknown ascii characters? libncurses5 alone didn't do it :/ |
| 16:45.37 | alex12 | Timsen, i thought it uses the local client DSA to connect to a server's pub |
| 16:45.38 | myosound | if someone else has a better way I'd like to hear it too=) |
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| 16:45.53 | gigo | mkfs -t fat32 /dev/sdb1 <-- is this incorrect? |
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| 16:47.01 | alex12 | Timsen, \amethyst : even without defining the -i that key_type still comes up |
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| 16:47.08 | alex12 | i think it comes from RSA checking |
| 16:47.21 | \amethyst | gigo: mkfs -t msdos -F 32 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 16:47.33 | alex12 | debug1: identity file id_dsa_argh type 2 |
| 16:48.10 | ryushe | sorry got disconnected if someone had an answer to my question about the ascii stuff? |
| 16:48.39 | Timsen | alex12: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/152 |
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| 16:49.19 | alex12 | Timsen, thanks, ill read up on it |
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| 16:49.55 | gigo | \amethyst: mkfs.msdos: No such file or directory |
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| 16:51.47 | csabi | Hello. I have a wireless NIC with a Realtek RTL8187 chipset. I've installed the driver from http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/ , following all the instructions in the wiki ( http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing ). The problem is that the wlan0 interface does not appear. I've also tried a modified driver, which I found on a Debian forum: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=23084 . lsusb shows that the device is inserted. I can |
| 16:51.47 | csabi | post dmesg and lsusb output. |
| 16:54.08 | \amethyst | gigo: apt-file search mkdir.msdos says that it's in package dosfstools |
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| 17:00.56 | leandro | Hello Folks |
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| 17:01.35 | leandro | Anyone can help? I need to create my own debian repository.. |
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| 17:01.59 | leandro | But I need to include in my repository my own packages too |
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| 17:03.07 | leandro | My question is: How can generate a new packages.gz with my packages? |
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| 17:05.37 | mic_p | Hi all. "aptitude dist-upgrade" install on my system a lot of packages that I don't need. It's there a method for say to it to not install? |
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| 17:07.29 | MrRoland | debian rocks :P |
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| 17:08.59 | wols_ | mic_p: don't let it install ecommended packages |
| 17:08.59 | Fizzel | hi |
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| 17:09.56 | mic_p | wols_: sorry? I simply do a aptitude dist-upgrade. I haven't before those packages. |
| 17:10.24 | wols_ | mic_p: tell aptitude not to install recommended packages |
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| 17:12.51 | Benoa | Hi! |
| 17:13.00 | Benoa | I've got a problem with |
| 17:13.12 | Benoa | debian |
| 17:13.23 | mic_p | wols_: man page has no reccommended and google say nothigs... Some trickle? |
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| 17:13.37 | wols_ | it should be a patitude menu option IIRC |
| 17:13.38 | bertoli | hi all, i wanna know how can I make a floopy inicialization disc, because i`m afraid to loose my LILO and dont have a way to access my debian again... |
| 17:13.38 | Benoa | I installed libmtp but i can't use mtp-detect command line |
| 17:14.16 | wols_ | yes it is under dependency handling there |
| 17:14.41 | wols_ | bertoli: you can use a debian CD too |
| 17:14.46 | wols_ | !tell Benoa about search |
| 17:15.00 | Benoa | ? |
| 17:15.20 | wols_ | damn no dpkg |
| 17:15.22 | wols_ | ~search |
| 17:15.23 | apt | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg apt find <thing> if you're already here. |
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| 17:15.36 | bertoli | wols_ I dont have it, exist some utilit to make the rescue disk ? |
| 17:16.13 | wols_ | bertoli: syslinux maybe? |
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| 17:17.18 | bertoli | wols_ i tryed this into the command line, but its not a command right ? |
| 17:17.21 | Benoa | i searched for this problem but i did'nt find anything relevant |
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| 17:17.39 | wols_ | ~installit |
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| 17:17.50 | wols_ | bertoli: it's a name |
| 17:18.20 | bertoli | wols_ ok, i gonna try here, tknz soh much |
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| 17:20.44 | Benoa | does anybody have any idea? |
| 17:21.12 | wols_ | Benoa: I told you |
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| 17:21.56 | Benoa | " !tell Benoa about search" ? |
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| 17:24.57 | Benoa | I tried to install it but i have to set an environement variable with setenv, which doesn't exist on my debian sid |
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| 17:25.51 | wols_ | setenv is C-shell syntax |
| 17:26.10 | wols_ | export <envvar>=<value> |
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| 17:27.39 | vvd | " aptitude search ~dprint,accounting" thats valid to find print accounting tools? |
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| 17:28.42 | hoxu | urgh... what are the normal lines for root in /etc/passwd and /etc/group? |
| 17:29.35 | pumpkin0 | hoxu: normal ? |
| 17:29.49 | hoxu | default, untampered, not screwed up entries |
| 17:29.55 | chops | hoxu: Are you trying to trick someone? :-) |
| 17:30.07 | hoxu | chops, I'm assuming all use shadow passwords, so no |
| 17:30.11 | chops | hoxu: "Now what about /etc/shadow"? :-) |
| 17:30.14 | pgpkeys | why in god's name would you mess with your root user entry |
| 17:30.25 | hoxu | I just got some evil messages from deluser... |
| 17:30.26 | darmi | thats weird |
| 17:30.47 | hoxu | "WARNING: You are just about to delete the root account (uid 0)" / "Usually this is never required as it may render the whole system unusable" / "Press immediately Ctrl+C if you want to abort" / "Ok, you really want it, I'll delete that account" |
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| 17:30.58 | chops | hoxu: http://pastebin.com/m75fcadfb |
| 17:31.01 | hoxu | but it didn't stop there, it just went ahead and deleted the user (I didn't request root user deletion) -_- |
| 17:31.01 | darmi | yu need to un-plug yur system & but a windows or a mac |
| 17:31.02 | maligor | collecting root passwords, eh! |
| 17:31.11 | darmi | *buy |
| 17:31.14 | hoxu | !rack maligor |
| 17:31.25 | wols_ | hoxu: did the user have UID 0? |
| 17:31.32 | hoxu | chops, very funny :) |
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| 17:31.33 | pgpkeys | oooo. wet spots. red ones even |
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| 17:31.40 | chops | hoxu: ? |
| 17:31.45 | chops | hoxu: What do you mean? |
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| 17:32.02 | hoxu | wols_, afaik no, it was from adduser that never finished changing password for the user |
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| 17:32.16 | chops | hoxu: That sounds like a rather serious bug in adduser |
| 17:32.30 | chops | hoxu: Can you pastebin the entire session including your original command and those messages? |
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| 17:33.21 | hoxu | chops, reading bts now, seems it might be #469165 |
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| 17:39.37 | hoxu | chops, indeed is... I think the five second sleep before deleting the root user account and right after outputting three lengthy lines is pure evil... but I guess it's to be expected from a perl coder :) |
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| 17:41.09 | vn | yea, perl coders are evil |
| 17:41.13 | chops | hoxu: I like perl |
| 17:41.27 | chops | hoxu: I'm currently working on a bash script which is a good deal grottier than most perl scripts, too :-) |
| 17:41.29 | vn | come to the dark side, we have cookies |
| 17:41.37 | pgpkeys | mmm, cookies |
| 17:41.53 | maligor | vn, heh, isn't there a t-shirt for that somewhere |
| 17:42.00 | vn | thinkgeek :p |
| 17:42.19 | vn | I have it atm |
| 17:42.19 | maligor | yeah, I remember seeing it and thinking it would be fantastic |
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| 17:42.43 | torrr | how do I send logs to syslog? |
| 17:42.59 | torrr | I mean not a log, but a string |
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| 17:44.14 | chops | I'm learning how to write actual little programs in awk, as opposed to just using it for '{print $2;}' all the time |
| 17:44.26 | chops | I have a feeling this is a lot uglier than perl would be :-) |
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| 17:45.01 | el_mexicano | wie kriege ich heraus welchen treiber meine Netzwerkkarte nutzt? lsmod zeigt viele Module an aber nicht ob sie zur Netzwerkkarte gehören. |
| 17:45.07 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.23 | hoxu | well, if writing perl is like handling weapons that are constantly aimed at your feet, writing awk is probably the same except you never have the other leg to begin with |
| 17:45.34 | hoxu | !de |
| 17:45.34 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 17:45.35 | el_mexicano | sorry, wrong channel ^ |
| 17:46.00 | vn | a mexicano speaking german...mkay |
| 17:46.26 | jescis | lol |
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| 17:47.47 | jescis | thought* |
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| 17:48.27 | Slidey | i upgraded from stable to testing, and when i brought the box back up it had reversed sda and sdb |
| 17:48.54 | Slidey | anyone seen that before? |
| 17:48.58 | Slidey | 2.6.18 -> 2.6.22 |
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| 17:50.00 | \amethyst | Slidey: yes. we recommend mounting by label or UUID rather than device name, precisely because of this issue |
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| 17:50.27 | tnorth | hello |
| 17:50.31 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 17:50.31 | Slidey | ok |
| 17:51.11 | Ace2016 | i got my wireless working, now everything in windows works, on linux, apart from the finger print reader which i would never use, because i would like to keep my fingers |
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| 17:52.39 | amphi | Ace2016: what laptop? |
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| 17:54.13 | tnorth | One question : I have a server making backups using rsync. He boots, then mounts a HD, backups, and shutdown every day. I was wondering if the "obligatory" fsck (after 30 mounts) could prevent the HD to be mounted ? (sometimes, the syslog warns that a fsck would be nice, and the next day I have strange things happening...) |
| 17:54.17 | enouf | "in windows"? who cares |
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| 17:56.28 | jescis | And linux or even we, don't want your fingers ;) |
| 17:56.29 | Ace2016 | amphi: hp pavillion, but the nvidia graphics card and amd version with the broadcom wireless , it gets very hot during use, and i have never been able to keep it on my lap, so i wouldn't recommend it to anyone, cpu is at +60 when idle and +76*C when under load, i've seen it get to 80, hp has released numerous bios updates because of this and there are rumours that the overheating is frying wifi cards too |
| 17:56.52 | haxor | how config lines can i add to my network interface to enable my wireless card whenever i boot up? |
| 17:56.59 | Ace2016 | i have xp in a vm, so i don't boot to vista |
| 17:57.12 | enouf | haxor: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 17:57.23 | haxor | because i dont have wireless access at my house but basically uses the college connection |
| 17:57.29 | haxor | thnx enouf |
| 17:57.37 | Ace2016 | doesn't network manager do that for you? |
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| 17:58.03 | haxor | well i use dhcp |
| 17:58.23 | Ace2016 | if the wireless is on, i right click on knetworkmanager in the system tray and pick the network to connect to |
| 17:58.42 | amphi | Ace2016: you use the ondemand cpufreq governor? |
| 17:59.09 | haxor | ok. so wireless is not enabled automatically when you bootup? |
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| 18:00.09 | enouf | Ace2016: can you tell me the Model number? |
| 18:00.27 | Ace2016 | amphi: powersave most of the time, or conservative with the deadline scheduler, the system strangely only supports 800mhz, 1600mhz and 1800mhz |
| 18:00.45 | enouf | Ace2016: actually an lspci would be cool too - i know someone who has one, and i'm concerned now |
| 18:00.59 | Ace2016 | lspci ok |
| 18:01.09 | amphi | mine only supports 800, 1200, 1800 it seems, from scaling_available_frequencies |
| 18:01.42 | ryan-c | might du -s return diffrent values on copied dir trees if they're on diffrent filesystsms? |
| 18:01.57 | enouf | ryan-c: yep |
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| 18:02.49 | Ace2016 | yea my system's dmi information got screwed up the first week of heavy game paying, could have been due to the overheat or something, but ever since vista says its illegal and dmidecode gives linux only half the info about the system, i mean bios doesn't even know the graphics card has a shared memeory option, it just doesn't show up |
| 18:03.38 | ryan-c | enouf: ~400GB of files, ext3 is using about 5GB more space over xfs. ~65000 files. |
| 18:03.41 | enouf | ryan-c: i rsynced my /home from ext3 to a resierfs and no matter what, the sizes vary - though i'm positive they're the same contents (i know i see reiserfs mention something about using 8K blocks), but i'm not sure what's really going on, afaict, the FS blocksize is 4K |
| 18:03.49 | maligor | Ace2016, vista stuff isn't stored in DMI |
| 18:03.54 | maligor | but that's OT |
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| 18:04.26 | enouf | ryan-c: i think i noticed a diff of 540MB (ext3) vs 500MB (resiserfs) .. or thereabouts |
| 18:04.44 | ryan-c | XFS has one of the lowest over heads. |
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| 18:04.53 | Ace2016 | maligor: hp "tattoo"s the a string of information to say that the laptop was built by HP, and recovery disks check this when installing, if there is an error it will not activate |
| 18:04.55 | enouf | Ace2016: ouch! |
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| 18:05.31 | maligor | Ace2016, I mean the vista activation stuff isn't checked from the DMI, sounds like you have part of the bios fried tho |
| 18:05.51 | Ace2016 | well i mean the install disk checks dmi to see if the hardware is hp |
| 18:05.59 | enouf | Ace2016: ewww.. STILL with the IML and tatooing of disk? yuck |
| 18:06.11 | ryan-c | enouf: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 18:06.23 | enouf | ${DEITY} i loathe OEM crap |
| 18:06.44 | ryan-c | I have a 1TB xfs partition, so losing 1% of disk space is a lot ;) |
| 18:06.55 | enouf | ryan-c: interesting, thanks |
| 18:07.10 | amphi | Ace2016: this is a core 2 duo, right? |
| 18:07.15 | Ace2016 | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/942674 |
| 18:07.26 | maligor | I think they stored a block of data with a cryptographic identity for vista, but I'll just stop about this.. heh |
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| 18:07.35 | Edward123 | hey |
| 18:07.41 | Ace2016 | amphi: nope, amd + nvidia graphics, i would never be able to live without nvidia doing the graphics |
| 18:07.48 | Edward123 | i've apt-get install apache2 but i can't seem to find out where the heck it's getting it's config from? |
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| 18:07.58 | \amethyst | Edward123: /etc/apache2/ |
| 18:08.06 | Edward123 | /etc/init.d/apache2/httpd.conf is empty |
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| 18:08.31 | Ace2016 | 1TB? raid or one physical disk? |
| 18:08.33 | \amethyst | Edward123: in a number of files: apache2.conf, ports.conf, sites-enabled/*, and mods-enabled/* |
| 18:08.37 | amphi | Ace2016: I could never live with such blobbery ;) |
| 18:08.55 | \amethyst | Edward123: what are you wanting to change? |
| 18:08.56 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.56 | Edward123 | ah, apache2.conf, sorry |
| 18:08.58 | amphi | Ace2016: I asked, because core 2 duos do seem to run hot |
| 18:09.14 | ryan-c | Ace2016: RAID6 across 8 disks |
| 18:09.30 | enouf | Ace2016: thanks for the paste |
| 18:09.32 | Ace2016 | ryan-c: oh that sounds so fun |
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| 18:10.08 | ryan-c | Ace2016: I have XFS on LUKS-dmcrypt on LVM on RAID6 |
| 18:10.39 | Ace2016 | i use LUKS and dmcrypt too since they are external drives |
| 18:11.13 | ryan-c | LUKS's multiple key feature is neat |
| 18:11.44 | ryan-c | and I have my root fs under LUKS as well. initramfs is great, |
| 18:11.48 | Ace2016 | yea it confuses people, my friend keeps trying to see my passwords and i tell him i change it every week |
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| 18:12.58 | Ace2016 | hp's laptops have really gone down the drane lately, their custom support seems to have gotten worse, they used to be a lot better |
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| 18:14.13 | Ace2016 | annoying thing is that i upgraded the main system ram and wanted to increase shared graphics ram, but its a no go unless i fix the dmi |
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| 18:14.52 | wols_ | Ace2016: it happend when you upgraded the BIOS. downgrade it again |
| 18:15.39 | Ace2016 | but i was told to upgrade by support to fix the overheating to get the bios to rev the fans more |
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| 18:16.07 | enouf | fucken garbage, i could never put up with such nonsense |
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| 18:16.40 | Ace2016 | well everything works on the system apart from numlock issues |
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| 18:17.00 | wols_ | Ace2016: why do you talk such sthit? |
| 18:17.09 | Ace2016 | wols_: huh? |
| 18:17.12 | wols_ | you whine for hours how bad it is (which is totally OT) and then say everything works |
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| 18:17.31 | wols_ | Ace2016: take your whining elsewhere, you do it for days now here |
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| 18:17.33 | Ace2016 | everything works apart from the problem areas |
| 18:17.41 | hon | how can I see the changelog for a package? |
| 18:17.42 | Ace2016 | ok ok, relax |
| 18:17.44 | enouf | even I recall him moaning like a schoolgirl, lol |
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| 18:17.49 | enouf | ;-P |
| 18:17.51 | Ace2016 | :( |
| 18:17.59 | suppaman | hello |
| 18:18.02 | enouf | hon: installed? |
| 18:18.03 | wols_ | Ace2016: do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:18.13 | hon | enouf: yes. |
| 18:18.14 | Ace2016 | wols_: yes, what version of debian are you using? |
| 18:18.15 | enouf | hon: see /usr/share/doc/pkgname |
| 18:18.19 | Ace2016 | :D |
| 18:18.26 | wols_ | that is not a debian support question |
| 18:18.27 | enouf | hon: dpkg -L <pkgname> | grep doc |
| 18:18.30 | Ace2016 | ok i'll try that bios downgrade just incase |
| 18:18.34 | Ace2016 | brb |
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| 18:20.03 | suppaman | I've got a problem: when I mount a partition as user file owner is root and therefore I can't read some file/access some directories, provided that I don't want to change permissions is there a way to have the user as owner of mounted fs ?" |
| 18:20.28 | _vvd | anyone has an pykota account and wants to share? (might be evil) |
| 18:20.52 | _vvd | but not everybody cares too much ;D |
| 18:21.13 | hon | enouf: is less $(dpkg -L $1 | grep changelog.gz) supposed to work? |
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| 18:21.19 | mohamed_ | i installed kernel on new debian lenny , and when i use mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.24.2 2.6.24.2 i get this message " mkinitrd: command not found " how can i install it ? |
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| 18:21.30 | enouf | btw - all that crap is one step closer to total all out TCP crap - though we all know it won't ever come to full fruition, if people keep supporting this trash by buying this garbage, they'll never stop trying (they won't anyway ..but) |
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| 18:21.45 | wof | hello, does anybody know a reason why evolution binds an udp port in combination with exchange? |
| 18:21.50 | enouf | hon: i wouldn't |
| 18:21.59 | wols_ | enouf: what are you ranting about? |
| 18:22.04 | enouf | hon: many are Debian in their names |
| 18:22.08 | wols_ | suppaman: man mount |
| 18:22.11 | enouf | wols_: nm ;-) |
| 18:22.17 | wols_ | ~vfatrw |
| 18:22.17 | apt | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 18:22.17 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 18:22.22 | hon | enouf: so my question is, what is the convention? |
| 18:22.22 | suppaman | wols_: rtfm eh? |
| 18:22.34 | wols_ | suppaman: you just got answered by the bots. twice |
| 18:22.43 | wols_ | dpkg: silly bot answering to ~ |
| 18:22.49 | enouf | hon: install and read debian reference .. /msg dpkg grounding |
| 18:23.01 | enouf | i forget exactly, but there is a "convention" |
| 18:23.20 | suppaman | wols_: oh I see thanks |
| 18:23.22 | mohamed_ | while installing kernel i get this message " mkinitrd: command not found " anyone know in which package it exist or how to install it ? |
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| 18:23.30 | suppaman | still setting up fonts so I was reading to highlighted lines |
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| 18:23.47 | suppaman | wols_: but wait, I'm not mounting a vfat partition |
| 18:23.56 | wols_ | suppaman: but ntfs or similar? |
| 18:23.57 | hon | ,debian reference |
| 18:24.06 | hon | debian reference?? |
| 18:24.07 | suppaman | anyway options should be the same |
| 18:24.11 | suppaman | hfs+ I think |
| 18:24.11 | enouf | !reference |
| 18:24.12 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 18:24.30 | enouf | !tell hon -about selftell |
| 18:24.31 | hon | enouf: thanks. |
| 18:24.35 | enouf | np |
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| 18:25.02 | mohamed_ | !mkinitrd |
| 18:25.18 | enouf | mohamed_: whcih kernel? |
| 18:25.35 | mohamed_ | enouf, 2.6.24.2 |
| 18:25.38 | suppaman | wols_: using uid=USERID in fstab will force mounting uid to just one user. In my case that's fine but what if I wanted to let every user who's mounting the partition to be the owner? |
| 18:25.43 | enouf | mohamed_: where from? |
| 18:25.48 | enouf | mohamed_: how installed? |
| 18:25.55 | wols_ | suppaman: no clue |
| 18:26.01 | suppaman | k, thanks |
| 18:26.35 | mohamed_ | enouf, i compile it on ubuntu machine using make, make modules , then i try install it manual on old machine to debian lenny |
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| 18:27.04 | jetscreamer | suppaman: gid |
| 18:27.06 | wols_ | mohamed_: fail! |
| 18:27.06 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 18:27.14 | enouf | suppaman: i doubt it, but see if uid= can be a VAR, like maybe "id -u" or maybe use udev rules |
| 18:27.33 | suppaman | jetscreamer: mm but files on the partition are rwx------ |
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| 18:27.47 | jetscreamer | suppaman: what fs |
| 18:27.50 | suppaman | hfs+ |
| 18:27.51 | drwahl | my work is requiring my to get a windows or mac client for their VPN, which i believe is setup with a juniper router/firewall/vpn. has anyone been able to get any linux vpn clients to work with this type of setup (or something similar)? |
| 18:27.55 | jetscreamer | o |
| 18:28.00 | enouf | suppaman: oh |
| 18:28.04 | enouf | nm |
| 18:28.08 | suppaman | that's my OS X partition so I'd like not to screw up permissions |
| 18:28.11 | wols_ | !tell drwahl about anyone |
| 18:28.15 | mohamed_ | wols_, i try to avoid compile on slow machine, is there any way to compile it on my ubuntu machine because is fast, or i must compile it on the same machine ? |
| 18:28.24 | suppaman | but I'd like to access my media (music mainly) while in debian |
| 18:28.31 | wols_ | micols: distcc |
| 18:28.32 | jetscreamer | hey how about a range of uid as a var |
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| 18:28.44 | drwahl | i know about 'anyone'. i mean is there any client that would be able to do that |
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| 18:29.24 | wols_ | drwahl: ask juniper what kind of vpn protocol they use |
| 18:29.37 | enouf | jetscreamer: i was thinking somthing like uid=$(id -u), but i doubt /fstab takes that syntax, and also, that could be a big problem if more than one user tried to mount ;-) |
| 18:29.44 | wols_ | and if you know about anyone it's double idiotic to ask a anyone question |
| 18:29.46 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 18:29.52 | jetscreamer | my bashfu sucks ass |
| 18:29.59 | enouf | haha |
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| 18:30.42 | psycose | hi |
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| 18:32.05 | drwahl | wols_: its not really double idiotic. the thing that is idiotic is that for some reason, no one is this channel is able to answer questions if they have the word 'anyone' in it. :) |
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| 18:32.54 | drwahl | what i asked made plenty of sense. the fact that i mentioned 'anyone' did not really cloud the question |
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| 18:34.09 | suppaman | drwahl: we could say that anyone in this channel is not able to answer question containing 'anyone' itself |
| 18:34.12 | suppaman | !tell me about anyone |
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| 18:35.36 | jetscreamer | me personally, i rate the intelligence of the question before i start in with the usual <insert usual debian response here> , but i'm weird |
| 18:35.39 | drwahl | the thing is that the reason that factoid is there is because people would come in and say 'LOL ANYONE USE FIREFOX!?!?!111' and that wasnt a question that you could reall respond to. however, some questions, for example, has anyone been able to find a client that works with X protocol, is very valid |
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| 18:35.52 | psycose | i got a problem using shell read command in a Makefile as explain here : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59608/ any tips ? thanks |
| 18:36.12 | drwahl | *could really |
| 18:36.35 | jetscreamer | #debian does have a tendency to get really <insert descriptive word here> about some things |
| 18:36.44 | drwahl | ... |
| 18:36.47 | drwahl | rofl |
| 18:36.55 | jetscreamer | i know what i'm seeing but don't have the term |
| 18:37.10 | jetscreamer | so psychosocial kind of thing |
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| 18:38.49 | jetscreamer | similar to iconoclastic i think but i'd better dictionary it |
| 18:38.50 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:38.51 | jetscreamer | bot |
| 18:38.57 | jetscreamer | !dict iconoclastic |
| 18:39.00 | dpkg | Dictionary 'iconoclastic' characterized by attack on established beliefs or institutions |
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| 18:39.18 | jetscreamer | kinda |
| 18:39.24 | drwahl | ooo, that is a fun function. i didnt even know it was here :) |
| 18:39.33 | drwahl | !dict jetscreamer |
| 18:39.35 | dpkg | could not find definition for jetscreamer |
| 18:39.36 | drwahl | :( |
| 18:39.38 | jetscreamer | sure to be !botabused a lot |
| 18:39.48 | jetscreamer | when done in chan |
| 18:40.36 | jetscreamer | i'm unfathomable |
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| 18:40.48 | drwahl | must be |
| 18:40.50 | jetscreamer | even by me |
| 18:41.27 | jetscreamer | #debian is very iconoclastic |
| 18:41.35 | jetscreamer | i believe that would be correct |
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| 18:43.33 | jetscreamer | i have to move :/ ... from one corporate house to another... at the other end of the block ... |
| 18:43.46 | pflanze | Hello. Is there a tool to move the mouse pointer using keystrokes? |
| 18:43.58 | jetscreamer | in xorg/gui yes |
| 18:44.04 | jetscreamer | i dunno about gpm |
| 18:44.12 | pflanze | in X |
| 18:44.21 | pgpkeys | gpm's never supported console movement |
| 18:44.23 | jetscreamer | it's shift numlock, or ctrl or alt numlock.. i forget exactly which |
| 18:44.33 | jetscreamer | shift or ctrl oi think |
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| 18:44.48 | jetscreamer | then the numpad works as a mouse, and the ins/del are the buttons iirc |
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| 18:44.56 | jetscreamer | ins/del on the numpad |
| 18:45.06 | jtwsd | hello community, did someone know, how i can find out the tty-device for my fritzcard in debian-etch? |
| 18:45.33 | pflanze | jetscreamer: this is on a laptop |
| 18:45.44 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 18:46.06 | jetscreamer | well i really don't care for my thinkpad's numpad, so i see your point |
| 18:46.26 | jetscreamer | but you have the same eh |
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| 18:46.44 | jetscreamer | i mean takes over the alpha keys to be a numpad |
| 18:47.10 | jetscreamer | there IS a numpad (least on mine) but it would kinda suck to have to use |
| 18:47.34 | jetscreamer | why don't you just plug in a usb mouse or something |
| 18:47.39 | Ace2016 | ok back, old bios had no effect |
| 18:47.48 | Ace2016 | the end. |
| 18:48.06 | jetscreamer | ok now go write the sequel |
| 18:48.08 | pgpkeys | jetscreamer: I'm asking a buddy trying to find out the answer. I'm ssh'd into a freebsd box so *I* can't test the keystrokes |
| 18:48.12 | Ace2016 | However i'm not going to stop untill i get my hands on that tattoo utility and retattoo this thing |
| 18:48.12 | jetscreamer | part deaux |
| 18:48.36 | jetscreamer | 'do' |
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| 18:48.52 | pflanze | jetscreamer: thanks, got it to work |
| 18:48.55 | jetscreamer | oh, and fire the admin |
| 18:49.01 | jetscreamer | :p |
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| 18:49.12 | jetscreamer | yay team |
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| 18:49.27 | K-Line | ciao |
| 18:49.39 | pflanze | jetscreamer: it's shift-numlock but you have to keep holding down the shift key. |
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| 18:50.21 | Ace2016 | ok brb, its not detecting usb devices now, seems if 4GB of ram is installed you need newer bios, i really wonder who writes hp bios, i mean to think that no one going to use 4GB on their systems is just mad |
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| 18:50.24 | Ace2016 | brb again |
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| 18:51.37 | jetscreamer | pflanze: on my desktop you just toggle it |
| 18:51.42 | jetscreamer | and toggle it back off |
| 18:51.57 | jetscreamer | i'm not in xorg atm ... heh |
| 18:52.34 | jetscreamer | btw there's a new bot in sid that's pretty cool |
| 18:52.38 | jetscreamer | !info phenny |
| 18:52.53 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 18:52.58 | jetscreamer | unless it was on marillat |
| 18:52.59 | jetscreamer | 's |
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| 18:55.25 | craigevil | phenny is in sid, pool/main/p/phenny/phenny_2~hg11-1_all.deb |
| 18:55.37 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 18:55.46 | jetscreamer | how come dpkg doesn't know about it though |
| 18:55.53 | jetscreamer | he even did the updating pkgs |
| 18:55.54 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/sid/phenny |
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| 18:57.07 | jetscreamer | ~you're slow |
| 18:57.08 | apt | i'll take that as a complement |
| 18:57.08 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
| 18:57.13 | TmRx | hey how to install kernel sources ? |
| 18:57.19 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 18:57.32 | grand_grunt | TmRx: aptitude install build-essential |
| 18:57.38 | TmRx | ty :) |
| 18:57.42 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-source ... but do you want the headers, or do you want to compile a kernel |
| 18:58.08 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) if you just want headers/include files |
| 18:58.49 | TmRx | i only wanna build nvidia graphic driver atm ;) |
| 18:58.52 | suppaman | I can't see certain packages with dpkg -l, why is this? |
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| 18:59.19 | suppaman | I can install/uninstall them with apt-get and show them with apt-cache tho' |
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| 19:00.36 | jetscreamer | !tell TmRx -about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:01.18 | jetscreamer | i dunno is -l only for installed pkgs? |
| 19:01.44 | TmRx | hehe nice |
| 19:02.07 | jetscreamer | !tell TmRx -about nvrun |
| 19:02.14 | jetscreamer | that's the unapproved method |
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| 19:02.52 | suppaman | jetscreamer: it isn't |
| 19:03.03 | jetscreamer | yes it is |
| 19:03.06 | suppaman | jetscreamer: -L supposedly is for installed packages |
| 19:03.10 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 19:03.12 | jetscreamer | that |
| 19:03.15 | suppaman | jetscreamer: my man page doesn't agree then |
| 19:03.15 | jetscreamer | nm :) |
| 19:03.16 | enouf | jetscreamer: it's not just installed, but it's also not apt-cache ;-) |
| 19:03.31 | enouf | nor is it dpkg-query ;-) |
| 19:03.37 | jetscreamer | i thought you meant approved |
| 19:04.08 | suppaman | I mean is there something wrong, is it an alarm bell? |
| 19:04.17 | enouf | suppaman: you're nuts |
| 19:04.21 | enouf | wrong repos |
| 19:04.38 | suppaman | don't think so |
| 19:04.54 | enouf | which pkgs? |
| 19:05.05 | Justin | suppaman: -L and -l are 2 different options |
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| 19:05.25 | suppaman | enouf: gnustep-* |
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| 19:05.46 | enouf | oh dear |
| 19:05.50 | suppaman | Justin: sure, and -L is reported for querying installed packages. Did I state the opposite? |
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| 19:06.30 | suppaman | http://rafb.net/p/fKdG5o98.html |
| 19:06.34 | Justin | suppaman: both only query installed packages |
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| 19:06.58 | Justin | suppaman: pretty much anything on the dpkg command is only for installed packages |
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| 19:07.06 | enouf | suppaman: run updatedb |
| 19:07.08 | Justin | suppaman: if it's not installed dpkg won't know much about it, apt on the other hand, will |
| 19:07.35 | suppaman | Justin: make sense, so dpkg (1) should be more clear about |
| 19:07.42 | suppaman | makes* |
| 19:07.51 | enouf | Justin: dpkg shows me many items for alsa not installed |
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| 19:08.08 | enouf | dpkg -l that id |
| 19:08.09 | dpkg | No packages found matching that id |
| 19:08.11 | Justin | enouf: because you had them installed at one point |
| 19:08.11 | enouf | is |
| 19:08.15 | enouf | Justin: nope |
| 19:08.53 | suppaman | enouf: does dpkg rely on updatedb? |
| 19:09.13 | Justin | echo apt: `apt-cache search ''|wc -l` dpkg: `dpkg -l|wc -l` all dpkg: `dpkg -l '*'| wc -l` |
| 19:09.17 | enouf | a "pn" would mean it was installed, and then --purge removed for ex |
| 19:09.20 | Justin | apt: 18832 dpkg: 1863 all dpkg: 4374 |
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| 19:10.12 | enouf | suppaman: /etc/cron.daily/standard: if ! cmp -s dpkg.status.0 /var/lib/dpkg/status ; then |
| 19:10.12 | enouf | /etc/cron.daily/standard: cp -p /var/lib/dpkg/status dpkg.status |
| 19:10.38 | _vvd | how would i use aptitude to search for two words in the descriptions? |
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| 19:10.53 | suppaman | _vvd: I was told aptitude search only in names |
| 19:11.11 | _vvd | suppaman: aptitude search ~dfoo |
| 19:11.19 | _vvd | searches for foo in description |
| 19:11.19 | suppaman | Justin: dpkg-query man page doesn't mention "only installed packages" |
| 19:11.24 | suppaman | ah nice |
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| 19:11.41 | suppaman | enouf: I'm pretty lost |
| 19:11.50 | Justin | suppaman: dpkg is the debian package manager |
| 19:11.53 | _vvd | but what i need foo with bar together? |
| 19:12.00 | Justin | suppaman: apt is the nice program that helps you find and install packages |
| 19:12.10 | _vvd | like network monitor ^^) |
| 19:12.12 | Justin | suppaman: dpkg doesn't know or care about uninstalled packages |
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| 19:15.34 | enouf | suppaman: nor does dpkg know nor care about any custom compiled and installed (/usr/local/*) even though versions may exist in the repos |
| 19:17.01 | enouf | though if you use dpkg -i to install a .deb (hopefully you built it properly :-P), dpkg will know about it, afaik |
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| 19:19.53 | suppaman | I'm still fighting with the uid mount problem |
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| 19:20.50 | n3kl | I have a postfix/dovecot imap mail server running. I need some way to store calendar and contacts on a server. Can this be done with the packages I have installed or does someone know of a fairly simple way to get this working on linux? |
| 19:20.54 | enouf | suppaman: doesn't hfs+ only have read support anyway? |
| 19:21.16 | n3kl | Package recomendations, webdav links? Anything would help, please. |
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| 19:21.49 | suppaman | enouf: yes, ro |
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| 19:22.26 | enouf | you want a CGI like drupal? or maybe a thing like Evolution or Kontact? i never used them |
| 19:22.34 | enouf | er CMS i meant |
| 19:23.17 | enouf | suppaman: so if you can only read, what does it matter who owns.. or whatever ;-) |
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| 19:23.39 | n3kl | enouf: right, I am looking for the server portion. I have looked at all kinds of calendar clients and such, but I would really like a way to store personal contacts and events on my server |
| 19:24.30 | enouf | suppaman: no help eh? apt-cache search hfsplus |
| 19:24.35 | Justin | n3kl: well, you can store contacts with ldap, but that is kind of complicated |
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| 19:25.10 | n3kl | Justin: I have looked at ldap several times, but either I don't understand how ldap works, or I am a complete freaking idiot cause I can never make it work like I want. |
| 19:25.27 | enouf | n3kl: some ideas for overall reference maybe http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software |
| 19:25.27 | Justin | n3kl: heh, it isn't exactly easy |
| 19:25.58 | n3kl | It would be cool though, cause theres lots of central authentication and stuff you can do with it also |
| 19:26.18 | Justin | n3kl: yeah, I use ldap for my email client address book, but I don't run the ldap server :) |
| 19:26.34 | n3kl | Justin: windows env? |
| 19:26.49 | Justin | n3kl: no, linux actually |
| 19:26.54 | n3kl | another option I had thought of was a vm with exchange on it |
| 19:27.00 | n3kl | Justin: how are you doing ldap? |
| 19:27.05 | Justin | n3kl: I use thunderbird or evolution -> ldap |
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| 19:27.47 | n3kl | I would really like to do this with linux and at my house, rather than using something from google, but everything I look at seems like it is just not mature software |
| 19:28.10 | Justin | n3kl: well, you can definitely get it working, but it is still probably much more complicated than it needs to be |
| 19:28.12 | n3kl | Justin: right, but where does the ldap sit |
| 19:28.32 | Justin | n3kl: there are lots of projects that try to be an "evolution" killer, but I dunno if there are any open projects that are usable |
| 19:28.35 | Justin | n3kl: on the server |
| 19:28.47 | n3kl | Justin: I have also heard some about webdav working for calendaring, but I don'tknow that for sure |
| 19:29.01 | Justin | n3kl: yeah, CALDAV |
| 19:29.10 | Justin | n3kl: it's basically ical over webdav I think |
| 19:29.14 | n3kl | you think ldap os the way to go huh? |
| 19:29.36 | Justin | n3kl: as far as directory services, I think ldap is the only way to go :) |
| 19:29.55 | n3kl | what the heck is webdav, I don't get it. I just subversion over webdav very extensively, but I don't understand how I could use that to calendar |
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| 19:30.52 | dlynes | I'm trying to get Debian up and running on an Intel Q35GI chipset, but I get barely into the kernel bootup, and the following lines come up, and then the bootup stalls: http://pastebin.ca/942818 |
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| 19:31.30 | Justin | dlynes: ah, you can try booting with acpi disabled |
| 19:31.35 | wols_ | !tell dlynes about kmuto |
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| 19:31.55 | Justin | or that :) |
| 19:32.02 | wols_ | jslusher: that sounds more like apic problems if any |
| 19:32.11 | dlynes | Anyone have any ideas what might be causing it? I've used generic.all_generic_ide=1, noacpi, noapic, nolapic, nodma |
| 19:32.37 | dlynes | Checking out dpkg's tell |
| 19:33.36 | jslusher | can anyone here help me with installing zimbra in gentoo in a chroot sarge environment? I was able to debootstrap the archive into the /zimbra folder, but there are a couple of mountpoints missing. |
| 19:33.52 | enouf | dlynes: it stalls there? |
| 19:33.58 | dlynes | enouf: correct |
| 19:34.11 | Justin | jslusher: mountpoints? missing? |
| 19:34.13 | enouf | dlynes: cause that's not an error |
| 19:34.37 | dlynes | enouf: sometimes it tells me something about APIC: #0 not existing, too...but most of the time, it doesn't |
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| 19:35.01 | dlynes | enouf: I know it's not an error...if I was getting an error, I probably wouldn't be asking what's causing it |
| 19:35.04 | enouf | dlynes: try a kmuto, then see what happens .. alter BIOS to use APIC, and AHCI |
| 19:35.20 | dlynes | enouf: I have no option for that |
| 19:35.25 | enouf | dlynes: that made no sense ;-) |
| 19:35.39 | enouf | dlynes: then RAID |
| 19:36.16 | enouf | when does 1 == 2 ? rofl |
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| 19:36.40 | amphi | enouf: on the second full moon of the month? ;) |
| 19:36.53 | enouf | hehe :-p |
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| 19:37.23 | dlynes | enouf: I've got raid disabled |
| 19:37.31 | dlynes | enouf: it's just software raid on the bios, anyways |
| 19:37.47 | enouf | under IDE / SATA config right? |
| 19:37.50 | enouf | enable it |
| 19:37.56 | dlynes | enouf: correct |
| 19:38.11 | dlynes | enouf: it's a software raid configuration that's unsupported by linux |
| 19:38.21 | enouf | dlynes: that's not wht |
| 19:38.23 | enouf | why |
| 19:38.33 | dlynes | enouf: so I just use the linux raid, instead |
| 19:38.47 | enouf | it's to enable AHCI, that intel sucks at on some things with newer chipsets |
| 19:39.00 | dlynes | ah |
| 19:39.01 | maligor | enouf, mm.. I have a somewhat flaky AHCI on mine |
| 19:39.03 | dlynes | stupid |
| 19:39.05 | jim | software raid unsupported by (insert os here) is an argument for full true hardware raid |
| 19:39.13 | maligor | RAID mode works fine (non-raid setup) |
| 19:39.20 | maligor | it uses the ahci driver tho |
| 19:39.26 | enouf | maligor: right |
| 19:39.41 | maligor | probably some silly bios bug tho |
| 19:39.41 | dlynes | and what about UHCI, or wahtever it is...some stupid new technology apparently only supported by Vista |
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| 19:39.46 | macafe | When I execute one shell script < http://pastebin.com/f6eee9a6 > return some errors, but I can't redirect this errors to file using script.sh > /tmp/result.log |
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| 19:39.57 | enouf | dlynes: run away from whatever that is ;-) |
| 19:40.00 | jslusher | Justin: mount: mount point /zimbra/pts does not exist |
| 19:40.01 | maligor | isn't UHCI usb 1.0 |
| 19:40.18 | enouf | er.m uhci_hcd |
| 19:40.19 | jim | uhci sounds like a usb thing, yeah, what he said |
| 19:40.20 | enouf | yeah |
| 19:40.25 | dlynes | maligor: yes...but the acronym i'm trying to think of is letters similar to that |
| 19:40.33 | maligor | there's UAA |
| 19:40.38 | maligor | for sound |
| 19:40.55 | dlynes | maligor: uhci is 1.0, ohci is 1.1, and ehci is 2.0 |
| 19:40.59 | jim | Uninteresting Awful Audio? |
| 19:41.23 | enouf | maligor: but b/c it seems new to what he's saying, i was thinking some sicko whacko UPnP + AHCI == Frankenstein thing |
| 19:41.41 | maligor | dlynes, err.. I don't think so, UHCI and OHCI were just competing controller interface standards |
| 19:41.41 | enouf | OR .. it might have to do with Intel's Matrix RAID10 crap |
| 19:41.51 | cyzie | how do i configure 3d acceleration for my onboard intel vga? |
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| 19:42.07 | enouf | i mean even my USB 1.1 Mobo has no UHCI BIOS thingy :-P |
| 19:42.19 | valdyn | cyzie: that should work out of the box if the xorg package is installed |
| 19:42.31 | valdyn | cyzie: and your X driver is "intel" |
| 19:42.34 | dlynes | do those kmuto images have kernel sources as well? |
| 19:42.37 | enouf | dlynes: uhci does 1.1 |
| 19:42.44 | enouf | ohci and ehci do 2.0' |
| 19:42.53 | maligor | erhm |
| 19:43.03 | enouf | some ohci's only do 1.1 (early implementations) |
| 19:43.16 | enouf | dlynes: yes, iirc |
| 19:43.21 | dlynes | enouf: ok, thanks |
| 19:43.26 | enouf | dlynes: look at the bottom of page, IIRC |
| 19:43.46 | jim | are there any new opensource ati/radeon drivers that came about due to amd's releasing specs that have been incorporated into any flavor of debain? |
| 19:43.47 | maligor | enouf, I thought all usb 2.0 controllers conformed to ehci |
| 19:44.01 | cyzie | valdyn, that box was previously with nvidia card but the card is broken so revert back to onboard intel vga. unfortunately it doesnt work for my 3d game. |
| 19:44.07 | humbolto | Does a HDMI and/or DVI signal normally contain information about the transmitted resolution? What is wrong if an LCD can not display a HDMI signal? |
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| 19:44.13 | cyzie | valdyn, yes, just check, X driver is "intel" |
| 19:44.15 | enouf | maligor: i think they do, but i know (some/most) OHCI did/does 2.0 as well |
| 19:44.23 | valdyn | cyzie: the nvidia driver was installed how? |
| 19:44.24 | maligor | jim, unstable has radeonhd |
| 19:44.35 | zinx | ochi/uchi are usb 1.1, and are in addition to the usb 2.0 controller |
| 19:44.42 | cyzie | valdyn, the debian way |
| 19:44.45 | enouf | maligor: honestly? i could care less about udb anything and might be a bit off ;-) |
| 19:44.50 | enouf | er usb |
| 19:44.51 | jim | maligor: where can I learn more about what radeonhd is and how it came about? |
| 19:44.53 | valdyn | cyzie: are the nvidia-glx packages removed? |
| 19:44.57 | zinx | enouf: nope, 1.1 |
| 19:45.04 | jslusher | Justin: did you get that? |
| 19:45.13 | maligor | jim, from the maws of novell |
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| 19:45.43 | valdyn | cyzie: is libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
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| 19:45.45 | maligor | jim, http://www.radeonhd.org/ has phoronix's coverage of the thing |
| 19:46.06 | jim | thanks, that is a good start |
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| 19:46.15 | kittonian | hi all |
| 19:46.18 | cyzie | valdyn, checking. |
| 19:46.19 | maligor | jim, I think the old radeon driver has also gained something from the specs |
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| 19:46.56 | cyzie | valdyn, yes, libgl1-mesa-dri is installed. |
| 19:47.03 | kittonian | quick tar question. if I do a "tar -cvf filename.tar directory" will that tar up everything including the ownership and permissions of every file and sub-directory? |
| 19:47.23 | valdyn | cyzie: ok, paste output of glxinfo and the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paste site |
| 19:47.26 | valdyn | !paste |
| 19:47.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 19:47.58 | cyzie | valdyn, okidokie, just a moment. |
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| 19:49.38 | jslusher | can anyone help me with a problem I am having getting zimbra set up on a sarge chroot in gentoo? |
| 19:49.43 | valdyn | cyzie: you are still using the same old xorg.conf btw? ( except for the driver part being "intel" ) |
| 19:50.28 | valdyn | jslusher: maybe someone can, but he will only know that if he knows what your actual issue is |
| 19:50.31 | oskie | what do you do if gdb returns completely wrong contexts? |
| 19:50.57 | cyzie | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/51190 . no, i reconfigure using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:51.08 | jim | what is "to return a context" in gdb? what commands do this? |
| 19:51.16 | retloc | I have a file that keeps returning to file size 0 after every edit. Permissions are 777. Using nano for editing. any thoughts |
| 19:51.16 | jslusher | valdyn: I am on the part where I'm supposed to mount some directories, but a couple of the directories failed to mount. |
| 19:51.23 | valdyn | cyzie: i need the whole Xorg.0.log |
| 19:52.14 | jslusher | valdyn: mount -o bind /dev/pts /zimbra/dev/pts |
| 19:52.48 | cyzie | valdyn, can u be specific which part woudl you like to trace? |
| 19:52.55 | jim | jslusher: does there exist /zimbra? |
| 19:53.03 | valdyn | cyzie: glx support |
| 19:53.06 | jslusher | valdyn: mount: mount point /zimbra/pts does not exist |
| 19:53.21 | jslusher | valdyn: yes, I was able to mount three of the five points to it. |
| 19:53.21 | cyzie | valdyn, just a moment. |
| 19:53.39 | jslusher | valdyn: /proc /dev and /sys |
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| 19:53.46 | jim | jslusher: the command and the error message do not match... that command can't produce that error |
| 19:53.53 | valdyn | cyzie: like (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so, but grepping the whole file myself could give me more certainty |
| 19:54.34 | valdyn | jslusher: is that a typo? /zimbra/pts is not expected to exist |
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| 19:54.54 | valdyn | jslusher: and if /zimbra/dev/pts doesnt exist, make it |
| 19:55.02 | kogyaru | greetings. I'm attempting to debug an NFS issue, and I'd like to view the nfs(5) man page. however, nfs-common doesn't contain it; can someone give me a pointer to which package would contain nfs(5)? |
| 19:55.02 | jslusher | valdyn: I copied that from the how to site. |
| 19:55.09 | saynomore | hi everybody, someone can help me? I'm trying to share a scanner... |
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| 19:55.39 | jslusher | valdyn: I tried that, but then it came back with this: mount: special device /pts does not exist |
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| 19:56.08 | valdyn | jslusher: which command gives that error? |
| 19:56.11 | cyzie | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/51191 # after line 39 |
| 19:56.29 | valdyn | cyzie: (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" |
| 19:56.36 | valdyn | cyzie: thats obvious, nice |
| 19:56.37 | jslusher | valdyn: the mount -o bind /pts /zimbra/pts |
| 19:56.44 | valdyn | cyzie: "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" |
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| 19:57.06 | jslusher | valdyn: that's after I did a mkdir. is that not what I need to do? |
| 19:57.06 | Justin | jslusher: it's /dev/pts, isn't it? |
| 19:57.09 | jim | jslusher: that would match |
| 19:57.10 | valdyn | jslusher: this must be a really bad howto if it can give more than 2 mistakes per command |
| 19:57.14 | Justin | jslusher: your /dev/ is probably messed up |
| 19:57.30 | valdyn | jslusher: mount -o bind /dev/pts /zimbra/dev/pts |
| 19:57.35 | dlynes | Well, thanks for the info on that alternative debian etch kernel page |
| 19:57.43 | valdyn | jslusher: you dont understand at all what this is supposed to do? |
| 19:57.44 | Justin | chroot /zimbra MAKEDEV pts might work too |
| 19:57.45 | jim | he doesn't seem to be responding to anyone else |
| 19:57.50 | dlynes | kmuto, I mean |
| 19:57.56 | dlynes | Gotta run, though |
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| 19:58.02 | benjamindees | my network card irq conflict was solved by removing the apm module and using acpi instead, fyi |
| 19:58.39 | jslusher | valdyn: somewhat. I'm a little confused by the chroot thing and I still don't have the hang of mounting. |
| 19:58.46 | kogyaru | any takers for my (hopefully simple) question? |
| 19:58.49 | techouse | can you tell me a good gnome mplayer frontend? |
| 19:59.03 | Justin | techouse: what do you want a frontend for? |
| 19:59.03 | benjamindees | !asktoask |
| 19:59.21 | techouse | just to make it look nicer :) |
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| 19:59.23 | valdyn | cyzie: what'S the output of that command? |
| 19:59.30 | cyzie | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/51192 # after line 89 |
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| 19:59.35 | benjamindees | !ask to ask |
| 19:59.35 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 19:59.37 | jslusher | valdyn: the command with the /dev in it comes up with the same error. |
| 19:59.38 | cyzie | valdyn, straneg a lot of nivida... |
| 19:59.50 | techouse | cause i usually compile mplayer cli only cause it's gui makes me puke :D |
| 19:59.57 | techouse | its* |
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| 20:00.03 | valdyn | jslusher: with which errror exactly is which command exactly coming? |
| 20:00.09 | Justin | techouse: don't really need the gui, just set nautilus to open avi files and stuff with mplayer, and doubleclick |
| 20:00.15 | kogyaru | benjamindees: I did ask, a few lines up. |
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| 20:00.19 | dev_ | what daemons run by default when you do a web server install? i figured i could telnet or ssh in but neither seems to work, though i can reach it via ping and the web server (at least) |
| 20:00.22 | techouse | hmm |
| 20:00.32 | Justin | dev_: so... install the ssh server |
| 20:00.34 | techouse | good idea |
| 20:00.43 | cyzie | valdyn, i think i should remove the nvidia using apt-get remove. |
| 20:00.50 | duity | This is my first time using RAID1. I just install sarge/4.0 and configured LVM during install. After booting /proc/mdstat doesn't show any of the RAID devices. According to mount they're mounted via /dev/mapper/*. Also, I don't have an mdadm.conf file. Any clues? |
| 20:01.09 | valdyn | cyzie: ii at the start means installed |
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| 20:01.16 | cyzie | oh i see |
| 20:01.21 | cyzie | how about pc ? |
| 20:01.24 | dev_ | Justin: i dont have access to it right now, which is why i asked |
| 20:01.33 | valdyn | cyzie: in that case its not installed |
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| 20:01.41 | suppaman | bye |
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| 20:01.55 | cyzie | valdyn, where can i refer the ii , pc , etc etc ? |
| 20:02.15 | valdyn | cyzie: no idea |
| 20:02.17 | phorce1 | dev_: I think no means of outside access are installed by default. You have to specifically install ssh or telnet (thiugh why one would install telnet is beyond my comprehension) |
| 20:02.26 | cyzie | valdyn, heeh then u just remember out of nowhere? |
| 20:02.27 | cyzie | heeh |
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| 20:02.39 | dev_ | ah alright, thanks |
| 20:02.51 | jslusher | valdyn: nevermind. bad pasting. |
| 20:03.01 | enouf | zinx: yeah, i checked up on it, seems i was mistaken, but part of me still thinks that some ohci was 2.0 - but maybe becasue that support is in the ehci spec for backwards compat .. iow, ohci was much less software and resource intensive than uhci |
| 20:03.12 | saynomore | does anyone ever tryed to share a scanner ? |
| 20:03.16 | valdyn | cyzie: i know what ii means and what rc means, i dont know each of the possible letters precise meaning |
| 20:03.43 | cyzie | mmm |
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| 20:03.48 | valdyn | cyzie: rc means: removed and configuration left as it is |
| 20:03.49 | cyzie | rc = release candidate? |
| 20:03.55 | drwahl | yes |
| 20:03.56 | cyzie | ohh, thanks. |
| 20:04.02 | drwahl | lol |
| 20:04.05 | drwahl | nm, i was wrong :) |
| 20:04.06 | valdyn | cyzie: which is what debian does by default, thats ok |
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| 20:04.14 | phorce1 | dev_: If there's a human near the console that you trust with the root password just get them to type apt-get install ssh. That would allow you to log in with your user account, su - to root, change the root password, kill their local session to lock them back out, etc. |
| 20:04.15 | drwahl | i should really read before i respond to random stuff :) |
| 20:05.00 | valdyn | cyzie: now what is the output of "dpkg -S /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libglx.so" ? |
| 20:05.35 | cyzie | valdyn, removing , just a few moment, i will get back to you. |
| 20:05.35 | valdyn | cyzie: ok |
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| 20:08.49 | cyzie | valdyn, do i need to reboot system after i do this? apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common |
| 20:08.58 | valdyn | cyzie: no |
| 20:09.19 | valdyn | cyzie: 21:04 < valdyn> cyzie: now what is the output of "dpkg -S /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libglx.so" ? |
| 20:10.11 | cyzie | valdyn, dpkg: /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libglx.so not found. |
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| 20:10.16 | wfq_ | ls |
| 20:10.20 | intx | is there anyway I can get a list of checksums for files? |
| 20:10.35 | wfq_ | @ ipw4965 |
| 20:10.50 | wfq_ | how was to show out the bot? |
| 20:10.51 | wols_ | intx: debsums |
| 20:11.00 | valdyn | cyzie: ok, thats ok, you should have the right one at /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 20:11.03 | wfq_ | ] ipw4965 |
| 20:11.10 | wols_ | !ipw4965 |
| 20:11.11 | dpkg | i guess iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree> |
| 20:11.11 | wfq_ | !] ipw4965 |
| 20:11.22 | wols_ | wfq_: don't to taht |
| 20:11.26 | wols_ | !tell wfq_ about selftell |
| 20:11.29 | cyzie | valdyn, xserver-xorg-core: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 20:11.32 | valdyn | cyzie: restart X, check if this works now, if it does not, paste glxinfo and Xorg.0.log output again |
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| 20:11.37 | dondelelcaro | !+verify packages |
| 20:11.37 | dpkg | To verify the contents of debian packages, you can either install and use debsums, or you can cd /; find /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -type f -name '*.md5sums' -print0|xargs -0 md5sum -c|grep -v ' OK'; |
| 20:11.41 | cyzie | valdyn, okidoki |
| 20:11.51 | intx | how do I verify files of my own choice? |
| 20:11.57 | cyzie | brb |
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| 20:12.16 | dondelelcaro | intx: see above. |
| 20:12.30 | intx | thanks |
| 20:12.34 | wfq_ | wols_ are not users allowed to do that in the channel? Sorry if it is not, I did not know. |
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| 20:12.48 | wols_ | wfq_: read the factoid |
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| 20:13.07 | dondelelcaro | wfq_: it's not that you're not allowed, it's just that you don't need to. Use /msg. |
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| 20:13.52 | wfq_ | ok, thanks guys. It will not happen again. |
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| 20:14.07 | enouf | humbolto: all i can say is HDMI is laden with DRM/DMCA protections - DVI has many variants (-I. -A, etc), but is not HDMI, afaik, that doesn't mean that DVI can;t do HDTV resolutions though - i'm not caught up on all this current craze of 720p and 1080i and 1080p though (though i know what it means) - one sec, let me get an article maybe |
| 20:14.08 | dondelelcaro | wfq_: no worries |
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| 20:14.43 | valdyn | dvi cant really do full hdtv, needs dual-dvi |
| 20:15.01 | enouf | humbolto: here's a start http://www.mycableshop.com/learning_center.asp?section=Frequently+Asked+Questions+%26+Guides&question=136 |
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| 20:15.42 | enouf | valdyn: ahh, hrm ..lol. now i recall that Apple 30" Cinema Display thingy requiring it's Dual DVI nVidia card ;-) |
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| 20:16.38 | valdyn | im probably wrong too, since no hdTV will use blue-ray or hd-dvd resulutions. i guess |
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| 20:17.14 | valdyn | dvi is like up to 1600x1200 iirc |
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| 20:17.29 | wols_ | valdyn: why not? |
| 20:17.34 | wols_ | thre are full HD TVs |
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| 20:18.00 | valdyn | wols_: i just dont know any broadcast with such a resolution |
| 20:18.14 | drwahl | what is the command to translate linux time stamp to a human readable format? |
| 20:18.27 | wols_ | there were some I think. mainly experimental |
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| 20:19.21 | valdyn | drwahl: man date |
| 20:19.45 | drwahl | nm, found it tai64nlocal |
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| 20:19.51 | enouf | humbolto: and more http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/feature-dvi-hdmi-hdcp-connections-11-2004.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI |
| 20:20.02 | kogyaru | what's the command in debian to show which package a specified file belongs to? |
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| 20:20.19 | dondelelcaro | kogyaru: dpkg -S or apt-file |
| 20:20.27 | dondelelcaro | kogyaru: man dpkg-query; |
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| 20:21.48 | cyzie | valdyn, i logout and re-login, launch glxinfo. no go. then i reconfigure xserver-xorg again. log out and log back in, same no go. |
| 20:21.50 | wfq_ | I'm having problems with that url: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 20:21.58 | kogyaru | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 20:21.58 | wfq_ | it seems to be a key's problem |
| 20:22.08 | valdyn | cyzie: logging out does not restart X |
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| 20:22.24 | valdyn | cyzie: you need to use ctrl-alt-backspace i guess |
| 20:22.38 | cyzie | mmmm.. i guess logout *did* actually restart X |
| 20:22.39 | dondelelcaro | wfq_: that's just a warning, and it's probably because you don't have backport.org's key. |
| 20:22.46 | enouf | valdyn: aye - DVD-D == Dual Link |
| 20:22.51 | enouf | er DVI-D |
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| 20:23.18 | cyzie | valdyn, before i ctrl - alt - backspace, was wondering, inside the xorg.conf, any special glx parameter? |
| 20:23.26 | valdyn | cyzie: nah |
| 20:23.37 | maligor | err.. isn't DVI-D just reference to the DVI plug type that only carries digital |
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| 20:23.48 | maligor | not so much to the double/single state |
| 20:23.49 | valdyn | cyzie: its enabled, X is trying to use it, but the libglx.so from nvidia was in the way |
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| 20:24.10 | cyzie | valdyn, okay, just curious as previously with nvidia, it has glx in the xorg.conf, but now no more. |
| 20:24.12 | maligor | DVI-A would be Analog and DVI-I would be both |
| 20:24.20 | enouf | hah!, just checked, my NEC Multisync LCD monitor has a DVD-D connector :-P |
| 20:24.25 | wfq_ | dondelelcaro, yes, it is very clear: W: bla bla... thanks |
| 20:24.26 | valdyn | cyzie: Xorg needs about no configuration anymore |
| 20:24.35 | valdyn | cyzie: almost everything falls back to ok defaults |
| 20:24.49 | maligor | DVI-D and DVI-I would have both single and double link configurations too |
| 20:24.55 | cyzie | very well, then, driver = intel , no glx in the xorg.conf |
| 20:25.04 | cyzie | i restart X now using the 3 keys |
| 20:25.11 | valdyn | cyzie: ok |
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| 20:27.14 | phorce1 | somebody hand me a 15 meter RG-6 cable so I can go back to testing this stupid DVB-S driver |
| 20:27.28 | enouf | ewww .. "First, to clear away one element that can be confusing: DVI and HDMI are exactly the same as one another, image-quality-wise. The principal differences are that HDMI carries audio as well as video, and uses a different type of connector, but both use the same encoding scheme, and that's why a DVI source can be connected to an HDMI monitor, or vice versa, with a DVI/HDMI cable, with no intervening converter box." |
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| 20:29.32 | hilfe4 | hallo, habe ein problem mit W-lan |
| 20:29.59 | rrbox | anyone use hciattach ? |
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| 20:30.09 | hilfe4 | is german here ? |
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| 20:30.15 | phorce1 | !.de |
| 20:30.15 | dpkg | somebody said .de was Germany |
| 20:30.18 | valdyn | !de |
| 20:30.18 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 20:30.41 | enouf | maligor: here we go, this is the diagram i was looking for, yeah, DVI-I and -D can be either Single, OR Dual link http://www.mycableshop.com/learning_center.asp?section=Frequently+Asked+Questions+%26+Guides&question=576 |
| 20:30.51 | cusco_ | hello! |
| 20:31.01 | cusco | thats better... |
| 20:31.22 | cusco | I got a entry in my crontab and it is not being run (I think...) |
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| 20:31.32 | cusco | how can I see why? |
| 20:31.41 | zinx | enouf: almost.. HDMI has audio too, DVI doesn't :P |
| 20:31.45 | cyzie | valdyn, no go either. |
| 20:31.45 | kogyaru | I'd like to force NFSv3 (and utterly exclude or prevent NFSv2) in my Debian NFS server, but I've been struggling with how to do this. Has anyone tried doing this before? |
| 20:32.02 | valdyn | cyzie: need the new Xorg.0.log and glxinfo output pasted |
| 20:32.08 | cusco | I can copy and paste the command in bash.. runs perfectly |
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| 20:32.38 | enouf | zinx: i think it's mentioned above in that quote ^^^^ "The principal differences are that HDMI carries audio as well as video, and uses a different type of connector, but both use the same encoding scheme" |
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| 20:32.51 | valdyn | cyzie: some nvidia stuff must be either still installed, or someone messed with nvidia.com's installer |
| 20:32.53 | zinx | enouf: oh :P |
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| 20:32.59 | maligor | I think HDMI interwove the audio frames in the same data streams |
| 20:33.02 | enouf | ;-) |
| 20:33.17 | maligor | not entirely sure tho |
| 20:33.17 | zinx | maligor: naw, it has extra pins for audio afaik |
| 20:33.19 | enouf | zinx: but i run FAR and FAST from that HDCP bullshit ;-) |
| 20:33.38 | zinx | HDCP is a really really stupid idea :/ |
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| 20:34.17 | zinx | i expect that if its use ever becomes widespread, there will also be widespread malcontent |
| 20:34.17 | enouf | maligor: well, i recall the standard being 720p (pregressive scan) or 1080i (interleaved) .. generally speaking p == better to me |
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| 20:34.20 | BadRobot | hi there from where can i get the opensource java called IceTea |
| 20:34.21 | wols_ | maligor: it does |
| 20:34.25 | wols_ | or at least via the same connector |
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| 20:34.54 | maligor | wikipedia says it uses the TDMS channel |
| 20:35.03 | enouf | and nowadays they make 1080p .. but i recall many many tricks these Manu were playing on people with wobbling mirrors to "fake" a higher resolution |
| 20:35.38 | maligor | mirrors? |
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| 20:36.38 | enouf | oh well humbolto , hope you got something out of all that :-P |
| 20:36.54 | cyzie | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/51195 # after line 102 |
| 20:37.25 | valdyn | cyzie: /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libglx.so is STILl there on that paste |
| 20:37.28 | cyzie | valdyn, now glxgears show something. |
| 20:37.34 | cyzie | :) |
| 20:37.46 | valdyn | cyzie: wrong paste or that file from nvidia is still there |
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| 20:38.05 | valdyn | cyzie: err, nm, i didnt scroll down |
| 20:38.23 | cyzie | cyzie> valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/51195 # ***after line 102*** |
| 20:38.30 | valdyn | cyzie: aye, its all ok |
| 20:38.36 | cyzie | valdyn, thank you very much |
| 20:38.49 | cyzie | so the conclusion is, the nvidia hijack the libglx |
| 20:39.04 | valdyn | cyzie: it did do that, yes, now you have working accel though |
| 20:39.06 | cusco | yes it does roger |
| 20:39.09 | cyzie | that intel driver dotn know where to reference aka, lost somewhere in the jungle. |
| 20:39.24 | valdyn | cyzie: if the game still doesnt work it will probably not work with your hardware |
| 20:40.17 | cyzie | valdyn, yes, it is working now. torcs at least |
| 20:40.21 | cyzie | thank you valdyn |
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| 20:40.40 | dev_ | I installed debian off the net install cd and now every time I go to install something from the repository it asks me to insert the CD. Is there a way to make it get the files from the repository instead of requiring a cd? |
| 20:40.54 | enouf | dev_: comment out the cdrom entry |
| 20:40.59 | dev_ | in what file? |
| 20:41.03 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 20:41.03 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 20:41.34 | dev_ | alright, thanks |
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| 20:41.42 | cyzie | valdyn, when we do ctrl + alt + f1, f2 and until f6 , we should get a console but not anymore. any idea where to start looking ? |
| 20:42.00 | drwahl | so is aptitude kinda the defacto cli client? has everyone moved away from apt-get? |
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| 20:42.13 | _vvd | how can i find all packages that i can dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:42.15 | drwahl | it seems that i see aptitude more often than i see apt |
| 20:42.23 | drwahl | _vvd: dpkg -l |
| 20:42.26 | enouf | _vvd: install configure-debian pkg |
| 20:42.46 | enouf | drwahl: i think you misread |
| 20:42.47 | _vvd | what now? :) |
| 20:42.53 | drwahl | i think you misread :) |
| 20:43.04 | enouf | _vvd: man pages |
| 20:43.12 | enouf | as always - but use -l |
| 20:43.21 | drwahl | he wants to know the packages the dpkg handles, right? so wouldnt dpkg -l list those? |
| 20:43.36 | drwahl | and then any packages in that list could be dpkg-reconfigure'd correct? |
| 20:43.44 | enouf | drwahl: no, the ones that are dpkg-reconfigure-able |
| 20:43.47 | enouf | :-) |
| 20:43.54 | _vvd | i want a list of packages i can dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 20:43.56 | drwahl | ah, didnt know there was a difference :) |
| 20:43.57 | enouf | drwahl: no, they're not ;-) |
| 20:44.07 | enouf | _vvd: do what i said |
| 20:44.11 | MoDaX | _vvd: dpkg -l | grep ii | awk '{print $2}' |
| 20:44.17 | drwahl | do what enouf said |
| 20:44.19 | drwahl | :) |
| 20:44.25 | _vvd | ok |
| 20:44.41 | MoDaX | err, rather: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' |
| 20:44.49 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 20:45.21 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know some video cutting software, either windoze or debian, that can handle PAL DV .avis and can make me basic effects licke a black blend? |
| 20:45.24 | HardDisk_WP | -c |
| 20:45.30 | enouf | MoDaX: ? |
| 20:45.47 | MoDaX | enouf: ? |
| 20:46.07 | enouf | MoDaX: nice list of pkgs ;-) not necessarily the one's d-r -able |
| 20:46.22 | cyzie | when we do ctrl + alt + f1, f2 and until f6 , we should get a console but not anymore. any idea where to start looking ? |
| 20:46.34 | MoDaX | enouf: they all are |
| 20:46.44 | HardDisk_WP | cyzie, which kernel, which debian version? |
| 20:46.45 | enouf | MoDaX: note also that command only grabs fully installed ones too |
| 20:46.55 | cyzie | HardDisk_WP, it is ubuntu |
| 20:46.58 | enouf | MoDaX: misses the half-installed, etc |
| 20:47.05 | \amethyst | cyzie: you're in X right now? |
| 20:47.09 | \amethyst | cyzie: oh. try #ubuntu |
| 20:47.09 | enouf | MoDaX: really? |
| 20:47.25 | \amethyst | cyzie: are you using fglrx (ATI proprietary drivers) by any chance? |
| 20:47.37 | cyzie | \amethyst, i tried, nobody answer |
| 20:47.38 | HardDisk_WP | !ubuntu |
| 20:47.38 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:47.39 | MoDaX | enouf: depends on what _vvd wants to do |
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| 20:47.47 | cyzie | \amethyst, no, not a ati fan |
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| 20:48.05 | cyzie | HardDisk_WP, i know that, im running debian on other box |
| 20:48.09 | HardDisk_WP | ah k |
| 20:48.16 | \amethyst | cyzie: does ctrl-alt-backspace still kill X? |
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| 20:48.53 | BrianSteffens | Hi fellow Debianinions =p |
| 20:49.15 | enouf | MoDaX: it doesn't matter - and he mentioned twice what he wants, you're still mistaken about all pkgs being dpkg-reconfigure -able |
| 20:49.27 | drwahl | Debianians mabye ?:) |
| 20:49.27 | cyzie | \amethyst, yes, or u can restart gdm |
| 20:49.27 | kogyaru | does nobody here use NFS? :-| |
| 20:49.32 | cyzie | if u use gdm |
| 20:49.51 | BrianSteffens | drwahl: Yep that's closer :) |
| 20:49.53 | Speedism | hi, im trying to compile something and it says g++ is not found |
| 20:50.04 | BrianSteffens | kogyaru: I do : - | |
| 20:50.11 | enouf | MoDaX: and dpkg --get-selections is the better way to obtain a list, there's also aptitude commands, but i don't know the syntax b/c i don't use aptitude |
| 20:50.13 | \amethyst | cyzie: hm, then it's not the same problem I encountered once, where all the built-in X keybindings (ctrl-alt-Fn/kp+/kp-/backspace) stopped working |
| 20:50.25 | Speedism | but i've install g++-4.1 |
| 20:50.46 | kogyaru | BrianSteffens: have you ever tried to specify which NFS version to use, either as a client or server? |
| 20:51.00 | cyzie | my ctrl + alt +backspace work but not the f1,...f6 |
| 20:51.19 | \amethyst | Speedism: etch, lenny, or sid? |
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| 20:51.33 | MoDaX | enouf: ok, I'm not arguing. feel free to suggest correct command to _vvd |
| 20:51.34 | BrianSteffens | kogyaru: Hm, nope - Do you have different versions on each machine or something? And they're not playing nicely? |
| 20:52.50 | kogyaru | BrianSteffens: the problem I'm trying to solve is that I have an NFS client that seems to be mounting over version 2, which does _not_ have large-file support. So, what happens is that I cannot copy or otherwise manipulate files larger than 2 GB on the client. |
| 20:53.01 | cyzie | \amethyst, ok |
| 20:53.04 | enouf | MoDaX: ok, i too when 1st coming to debian that it was odd that all pkgs are not designed to work with the dpkg-reconfigure subsystem, but we all learn a little each day hopefully ;-) (btw, checkout apt-cache show configure-debian) |
| 20:53.26 | kogyaru | I wish to make the NFS client mount version 3 only. I'm having problems making the client do that, though, so I'd like my _debian_ NFS server to force only v3 |
| 20:54.35 | kogyaru | (I'm using lenny/sid) |
| 20:55.17 | \amethyst | kogyaru: start nfsd with -N 2 maybe? |
| 20:55.21 | Speedism | amethyst, etch i believe |
| 20:55.21 | MoDaX | enouf: so what's the requirement for the package to work with dpkg-reconfigure then? |
| 20:56.01 | \amethyst | Speedism: the /usr/bin/g++ link itself comes from the package 'g++' |
| 20:56.04 | enouf | MoDaX: no idea ;-) ask the devels |
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| 20:56.13 | Speedism | yea i've installed it |
| 20:56.16 | \amethyst | Speedism: if you have just g++-4.1 install then you'll have /usr/bin/g++-4.1 but no master link |
| 20:56.17 | Speedism | but doesn't give me the g++ cmd |
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| 20:56.24 | Speedism | ahh |
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| 20:56.41 | \amethyst | s/stall/&ed/ |
| 20:56.41 | Speedism | so what should i install to get the master link? |
| 20:56.50 | \amethyst | Speedism: package name 'g++' |
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| 20:57.26 | Speedism | ah works now |
| 20:57.27 | Speedism | thx |
| 20:57.32 | \amethyst | Speedism: it's set up that way so that the default g++ version can be updated without having to change the old version |
| 20:57.35 | jetscreamer | try build-essential |
| 20:57.41 | FinnTux | so what is the general opinion on using lenny on production server? security-wise that is |
| 20:57.45 | Speedism | kthx man |
| 20:57.57 | jetscreamer | a big nono FinnTux |
| 20:58.01 | enouf | MoDaX: thinking about it though, imagine if each depends pkg you pull in with say apache had a Debconf to go along with it - dpkg -l will show you installed pkg and pkg status, and many are lib and/or -dev pkgs, not requiring a debconf |
| 20:58.09 | jetscreamer | thou shalt not take chances |
| 20:58.35 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 20:58.35 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 20:59.16 | kogyaru | amethyst: apparently nfsd on lenny/sid uses "Universal NFS Server", which runs entirely in userspace, and doesn't come from the nfs-utils package (which nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common are derived from). |
| 20:59.26 | abrotman | FinnTux: is it external? |
| 20:59.28 | MoDaX | enouf: well, do not confuse debconf with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:59.33 | FinnTux | ok. what I need is newer vlc... |
| 20:59.37 | kogyaru | and "Universal NFS Server" doesn't have the concept of limiting by NFS version (as far as I can tell) |
| 20:59.42 | FinnTux | can't find it for etch |
| 20:59.53 | MoDaX | enouf: `dpkg-reconfigure -a` will reconfigure all packages with debconf |
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| 21:00.01 | abrotman | FinnTux: your server runs X ? |
| 21:00.09 | DawnLight | Hello. how can i watch hard-disk drive operations in real time? |
| 21:00.31 | FinnTux | abrotman, ssh and apache open to outside world |
| 21:00.39 | FinnTux | X is not needed |
| 21:00.40 | enouf | MoDaX: .. and when you want to do just one? |
| 21:00.45 | abrotman | FinnTux: so vlc is for? |
| 21:00.52 | abrotman | vlc or vnc ? |
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| 21:01.15 | MoDaX | enouf: dpkg-reconfigure <package> ? |
| 21:01.20 | enouf | MoDaX: and you are confusing debconf with dpkg-reconfigure - read what the output shows you |
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| 21:01.47 | FinnTux | abrotman, vlc grabs an udp stream and forwards it to local network |
| 21:01.50 | enouf | MoDaX: are you really this dense? dpkg-reconfigure hdparm |
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| 21:01.54 | enouf | go ahead |
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| 21:02.22 | abrotman | FinnTux: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. be aware you're on your own for security issues |
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| 21:02.31 | FinnTux | abrotman, apache might serve some webpages |
| 21:02.41 | MoDaX | enouf: got nothing as expected |
| 21:03.07 | MoDaX | but it does not mean that hdparm does not work with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:03.20 | MoDaX | just postinst does not anything of interest |
| 21:03.25 | MoDaX | does not do* |
| 21:03.58 | FinnTux | abrotman, thanks. I'll check that out |
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| 21:05.17 | enouf | MoDaX: how do you determine which pkgs hace an interesting postinst script? |
| 21:05.22 | enouf | have* |
| 21:05.57 | MoDaX | enouf: well, that's not easy |
| 21:06.11 | enouf | with configure-debian, it is ;-) |
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| 21:06.40 | m3t3or | nabend |
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| 21:07.15 | MoDaX | enouf: I've never tried configure-debian, but doesn't it limit package list to debconf only pkgs? |
| 21:07.28 | MoDaX | that's easy part |
| 21:07.36 | enouf | ? |
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| 21:09.39 | MoDaX | enouf: apt-cache rdepends debconf |
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| 21:10.07 | enouf | after you do the show i mentioned ;-) |
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| 21:11.14 | slidesinger | Do login scripts exist in linux? Do they go by another name? |
| 21:11.42 | bush|werk | slidesinger: .bashrc by default in debian |
| 21:11.43 | enouf | what name do you know? |
| 21:12.01 | drwahl | slidesinger: there are a few way to get actions to occur upon login, and it differs for CLI login and graphical login |
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| 21:13.33 | slidesinger | cli login, want to execute a couple of commands, one global (all users, even root) two by group, and some by user. |
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| 21:14.15 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi all I have a logrotate file in /etc/logrotate.d it runs daily..but I would like at what time are the files run for daily |
| 21:14.24 | slidesinger | .bashrc should take care of the individual user, thanks bush|werk |
| 21:14.29 | MoDaX | slidesinger: e.g. /etc/profile & friends for shell, /etc/X11/Xsession.d for X. /etc/pam.d per application |
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| 21:15.12 | slidesinger | MoDaX: Thanks. |
| 21:15.29 | Tramp | sysadmin-lb22: see /etc/crontab |
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| 21:16.51 | fedya | is there any way that i could install something on my debian box so i can watch the sip packets coming into it with something graphical like ethereal from another comp? |
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| 21:17.44 | MoDaX | enouf: If I wasn't lazy I would look at dpkg-reconfigure and/or configure-debian source code. but I am, so ... :) |
| 21:19.57 | enouf | MoDaX: consider yourself lucky ;-) |
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| 21:19.58 | enouf | $ pi "man /usr/share/man/man8/configure-debian.8.gz" |
| 21:19.58 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/942956 |
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| 21:23.18 | aleksanteri | what's the command for reconfiguring a package (in this specific case i'm trying to add new video modes to xorg) |
| 21:23.36 | _vvd | today is reconfigure-day |
| 21:23.59 | wols_ | aleksanteri: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:24.15 | aleksanteri | thanks |
| 21:24.20 | MoDaX | aleksanteri: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 21:25.43 | Deezire | _vvd: Incorrect, today is steak and bj-day. |
| 21:26.21 | _vvd | Deezire: what is bj? |
| 21:26.24 | Deezire | blowjob. |
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| 21:26.46 | _vvd | Deezire: isnt that everyday? :P |
| 21:27.01 | _vvd | oh, you said AND |
| 21:27.03 | _vvd | nm |
| 21:27.20 | Deezire | Hehe ;) |
| 21:27.48 | enouf | lilyth? is that you? |
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| 21:31.53 | humbolto | enouf and others: thanks for your help. I have DVI-D as far as I know, but no idea if I have dual link support. However as the monitor has 1920x1200 resulution it should support full HD. |
| 21:33.12 | enouf | humbolto: the photos/diagrams shown here should help you determine Dual/Single link http://www.mycableshop.com/learning_center.asp?section=Frequently+Asked+Questions+%26+Guides&question=576 |
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| 21:35.55 | Synchronized | Hi, my ram chip fell under there, what am I supposed to do |
| 21:36.44 | benjamindees | failed? |
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| 21:37.30 | benjamindees | I think "fell under there" is pseudo-german translation for "failed"... |
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| 21:38.30 | Synchronized | but really, it's under there |
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| 21:39.34 | Speedism | hrmmm |
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| 21:39.42 | Speedism | im trying to run an install/make of something and i get this |
| 21:39.45 | Speedism | include/global.h:8:25: error: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory |
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| 21:39.56 | codazoda | I have an rt2500 module installed. I'm having lockups and I believe it's the cause. So, I'd like to try ndiswrapper instead. I've got that configured and ready to go, but I'm not sure how to stop the rt2500 module from loading on my next boot. It's not listed in /etc/modules. How might I disable the rt2500 module? |
| 21:40.11 | Speedism | so i goto the global.h src and it says #include <openssl/ssl.h> |
| 21:40.16 | Speedism | and i do have openssl installed.. |
| 21:40.24 | benjamindees | !info openssl-dev |
| 21:40.46 | Speedism | E: Couldn't find package openssl-dev |
| 21:41.04 | benjamindees | !info libssl-dev |
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| 21:41.07 | dpkg | libssl-dev: (SSL development libraries, header files and documentation), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.9.8g-7 (sid), Packaged size: 2028 kB, Installed size: 5572 kB |
| 21:41.33 | Speedism | working now |
| 21:41.36 | Speedism | thanks man |
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| 21:42.32 | codazoda | 'modprobe -r rt2500' also gives me a "Module rt2500 in use error". So, I'm not sure how to get rid of this thing. |
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| 21:47.00 | MoDaX | enouf: it simply proves that configure-debian does not care about non-debconf packages. I guess configure-debian simply returns packages in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat with obsolete variables/packages filtered out |
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| 21:48.04 | enouf | MoDaX: well, what did i say that didn't mean that? i think you already contradicted yourself, but i let it go already ;-) |
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| 21:50.24 | dev_ | In order to compile something I apparently need the ncurses library, but when I apt-get "lib32ncurses5" and "lib32ncurses5-dev" as the package list (from packages.debian.org) says I get the error message "Couldn't find package lib32ncurses5" and "Couldn't find package lib32ncurses5-dev". Is there something I'm missing here? |
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| 21:51.28 | k1111u | wich is the best editing program in linux? |
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| 21:52.18 | dev_ | editing of what? |
| 21:52.21 | enouf | dev_: 64bit Install? amd64? |
| 21:52.43 | k1111u | dev_ lol my bad, video editing |
| 21:52.47 | jim | k1111u: one you like |
| 21:53.00 | jim | so |
| 21:53.05 | jim | find all editing programs |
| 21:53.11 | enouf | dev_: i get no hits here for those pkgs |
| 21:53.14 | jim | eliminate all you don't like |
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| 21:53.19 | jim | if there are some left... |
| 21:53.27 | jim | you have at least one you like |
| 21:53.27 | k-man | is there packages of gnome-do for debian? |
| 21:53.33 | dev_ | enouf: x86, not on 64bit |
| 21:53.37 | enouf | !info lib32ncurses5 |
| 21:53.37 | dev_ | enouf: http://packages.debian.org/ncurses |
| 21:53.48 | enouf | !info lib32ncurses5-dev |
| 21:53.50 | jim | k1111u: how's that? |
| 21:53.51 | dev_ | oh wait i'm an idiot, i need libdevel |
| 21:53.51 | k1111u | jim but some recommendations wouldnt be as bad would they? i dont have that kind of time to prove one by one |
| 21:54.00 | enouf | dev_: bingo ;-) |
| 21:54.14 | enouf | !pal dev_ |
| 21:54.29 | jim | k1111u: so the question becomes: who will offer you the time to try them for you |
| 21:55.17 | k1111u | jim nvm, i ask for some recommendations and always someone have to come out with this attitude |
| 21:55.29 | dev_ | hm, maybe not |
| 21:55.39 | EquanimousCoward | [flame retardant suit on] try emacs and vim |
| 21:55.46 | dev_ | they all say 64bit... |
| 21:56.20 | jim | k1111u: (reframe:) "Never mind. I have chosen to come here and ask, and I will choose from among the choices I am offered" |
| 21:57.16 | jim | k1111u: your story felt like you were painting yourself the victim ("always someone have to come out with this attitude", (so they did it to you)) |
| 21:57.18 | dev_ | k1111u: http://www.linux.com/feature/60624 Also google around and you'll find some decent walkthroughs |
| 21:58.27 | jim | k1111u: notice my reframe of your reply (not perfect, I suppose) where you say the same thing in full responsibility ("I chose everything") |
| 22:00.06 | valdyn | k1111u: if you dont have time then you probably do not need to edit anything large either, because that takes a huge amount of time, use the default editor that ships with your desktop environment |
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| 22:01.05 | k1111u | valdyn... ehh.. mmm.. oh? mmm ehhh asdf |
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| 22:01.15 | fedya | while you guys are still here, now that i have something up and running, i have invites coming to say some number a, i need to look up who that number belongs to and relay it to another pstn number, how would i do that? i guess what i basically need is a translation table of phone numbers, what goes to what, would these be subscribers or what? |
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| 22:02.11 | jim | k1111u, I'll reframe what valdyn said: you -do- have the time. you -choose- to not spend it on choosing the thing that works best for you. |
| 22:02.12 | fedya | there could be many a's such as a1 a2 a3 a4, phone numbers that are coming in, and they would all be going to one number b for a particular subscriber |
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| 22:03.12 | jim | as far as I'm concerned, that's not bad or good... you can do as you -choose- with your time |
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| 22:03.31 | kogyaru | did I walk into a circle jerk? |
| 22:04.03 | drwahl | its more of a limp biscuit than a cirle jerk |
| 22:04.05 | abrotman | fedya: #debian ? |
| 22:04.11 | drwahl | but i guess the outcome is the same :) |
| 22:04.17 | EquanimousCoward | lol |
| 22:04.25 | fedya | oh no!! wrong channel! |
| 22:04.32 | dev_ | fedya: #mysql maybe |
| 22:04.43 | drwahl | #astrisk maybe |
| 22:04.51 | fedya | openser |
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| 22:06.00 | k1111u | jim i simply asked some recommendations? why comeone has to come out "why dont u download the programs, try them and then choose?" well i say... why cant i get some recommendations first and then try those ppl told me were good, and choose from there... |
| 22:06.21 | k1111u | the "?" after recommendations was a mistake btw |
| 22:06.42 | jim | k1111u: not saying you can't... but better you than anyone else because no one but you knows your definition of "best" |
| 22:07.48 | jim | additionally, maybe no one here does video editing and therefore can't speak to even their definition of "best" |
| 22:07.56 | dev_ | jim and k1111u: no need to start an argument :) |
| 22:08.02 | k1111u | jim i know what u say, im not aksing, "hey give me a program so i can use it forever just cause u said so, doesnt matter if its bad piece of..." i just cant imagine how much programs to edit video are out there, what? trying them all? |
| 22:08.25 | drwahl | wow, this argument is almost as bad as the ones in #pidgin |
| 22:08.31 | dev_ | k1111u: try the link i gave you and stop flaming each other |
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| 22:08.36 | jim | k1111u: start by finding and trying one |
| 22:08.58 | dev_ | no need for all this hostility |
| 22:09.03 | drwahl | if you two dont stop fighting, i'm gonna pull this chat over and spank the both of you! and not the good spank either! |
| 22:09.22 | jim | hostility? I'm not being hostile in the slightest... |
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| 22:10.05 | RvGaTe | whenever i reboot my server, apache2 refuses to start... but with a manual command /etc/init.d/apache2 start, it does.... what could be the cause of this ? |
| 22:10.29 | jim | RvGaTe: your log might tell you what IS the cause of that |
| 22:10.52 | drwahl | cant that also be defined by init levels? |
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| 22:10.58 | RvGaTe | jim, well, i read my log, either syslog or the apache error log... but none give me anything usefull |
| 22:11.13 | RvGaTe | jim, to be exact, none give me anything about apache |
| 22:11.23 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: what runlevel are you in? does the rc?.d link exist for that runlevel? |
| 22:11.23 | jim | is there any way you could watch your log while you boot? |
| 22:11.32 | drwahl | RvGaTe: i believe it has to do with init levels and/or /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:11.47 | jim | that could be |
| 22:11.52 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, currently in runlevel 2... |
| 22:12.12 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, apache2 has a script in rc2 |
| 22:12.14 | jim | you could try these: |
| 22:12.24 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: and does /etc/rc.d/S??apache2; exist? |
| 22:12.28 | RvGaTe | yes |
| 22:12.31 | dondelelcaro | s/rc.d/rc2.d/ |
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| 22:12.43 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.12 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: do you see a start attempt in the apache error log? |
| 22:13.38 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.17 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, yes, but thats my manual attemp |
| 22:14.20 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.42 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: and nothing before it that indicates that it was run at startup? |
| 22:15.00 | jim | is this debian's build and install of apache2? or something you did? |
| 22:15.14 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, simple.... caught SUGTERM, shutting down.... and 8 minutes later.... resuming normal operations |
| 22:15.37 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, and the resume is done manually |
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| 22:16.49 | samuel | sup guys |
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| 22:17.01 | RvGaTe | nm..u? |
| 22:17.17 | samuel | im looking for a replacement to ms access... ive found loads, any suggestions? glom seems good |
| 22:17.26 | RvGaTe | mysql ? :P |
| 22:17.27 | samuel | id prefer gtk but qt is fine |
| 22:17.30 | samuel | :) |
| 22:17.30 | jim | postgres |
| 22:17.37 | samuel | besides the database part |
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| 22:17.43 | Guerin | !pal samuel |
| 22:17.44 | jim | mysql is still pretty much crap |
| 22:18.07 | RvGaTe | so is windows... but people still use it |
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| 22:18.20 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 22:18.32 | samuel | so any ideas? glom/kexi/knoda/rekall/....... |
| 22:18.34 | samuel | ? |
| 22:18.51 | colera | would anyone know of any resources about creating a linux installation that would work on various hardware. Live cds boot all kinds of stuff. How do i make an install that is versatile like that? |
| 22:19.09 | colera | I think i just need to make a kernel that supports a lot of hardware right? |
| 22:19.32 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, any ideas ? |
| 22:19.51 | MoDaX | colera: yes |
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| 22:20.02 | Synchronized | did linux used to boot from floppy disks? |
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| 22:20.08 | Synchronized | instead of cds |
| 22:20.08 | dev_ | colera: maybe start with DSL and add stuff until you get it the way you want it, then remaster the cd? |
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| 22:20.12 | jim | Synchronized yes |
| 22:20.26 | kogyaru | in debian (I'm running "lenny/sid"), if I'm compiling openssh or nfs-utils, libwrap fails to be found. does anyone remember the "trick" used to get this working? |
| 22:20.32 | jim | (I used a boot floppy for the first two years of running linux |
| 22:20.33 | Synchronized | cool |
| 22:20.34 | jim | ) |
| 22:20.45 | Synchronized | you could install it from 1 floppy? |
| 22:20.58 | colera | dev_: good idea |
| 22:21.09 | jim | no, I thought you asked about booting it |
| 22:21.30 | Synchronized | oh |
| 22:21.36 | Synchronized | so how many floppys did it use |
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| 22:21.40 | maligor | samuel, there's OpenOffice.org Base too :P |
| 22:21.41 | Synchronized | or idd they have cd drives |
| 22:21.44 | Synchronized | * did |
| 22:21.45 | jim | but there was something called LSL |
| 22:21.49 | jim | or SLS |
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| 22:21.58 | maligor | it's pretty accessish |
| 22:22.10 | MoDaX | kogyaru: is libwrap0-dev installed? |
| 22:22.14 | samuel | maligor: it sucks, i cant figure out how the hell to make subforms |
| 22:22.19 | jim | a very old dist that booted off one floppy (so it was a "live floppy") |
| 22:22.20 | colera | dev_: do you think there are instructions online about how to remaster the cd? |
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| 22:22.45 | EquanimousCoward | Synchronized: check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Linux_kernel#The_creation_of_Linux |
| 22:23.05 | Tramp | Synchronized: in 1994 SuSE switched from 50 Floppies to 2 CDs (which, at this time, was basically a Slackware) |
| 22:23.36 | jim | Synchronized: the supported drives back then didn't include ide cdroms, because there weren't any... they were all special interfaces that required different device drivers |
| 22:23.52 | Synchronized | ok |
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| 22:24.36 | jim | well I did have a scsi cdrom (and the hd drives were scsi as well) |
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| 22:26.11 | EquanimousCoward | Synchronized: you'll enjoy this too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution |
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| 22:27.45 | kogyaru | MoDaX: good catch! |
| 22:28.05 | kogyaru | thank you. |
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| 22:31.45 | Spee_Der | Good evening folks, home at last..... What a day.... |
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| 22:33.53 | EquanimousCoward | Spee_Der: work in finance, perchance? ;) |
| 22:33.57 | enouf | Synchronized: debian has floppy images iirc, no need to use DSL |
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| 22:35.00 | Spee_Der | EquanimousCoward, sorry, but not. Transportation is my field. |
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| 22:36.32 | pdb | Can someone help me with getting a raid migration to boot? I keep getting errors such as mdadm: bad superblock and recently after creating a new initrd i'm now getting reports of files missing that is itrying to load up through initrd. I know these files are there i checked when i had the partition chrooted |
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| 22:40.11 | alakx | Hello.. What else after DDOS can cause ping getting high ? The box is freshly installed and there is no DDOS attack |
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| 22:41.48 | triptec | hello, my second onboard nic just started acting crazy, so I put in a rtl8139 or similar, but how do I know what eth it is..? |
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| 22:42.13 | MoDaX | alakx: cable? |
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| 22:42.26 | MoDaX | alakx: or hardware, or drivers |
| 22:42.45 | MoDaX | triptec: ifconfig -a |
| 22:42.53 | Lewoco | How do I fix this error?: connect /tmp/.X11-unix/X0: No such file or directory |
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| 22:43.11 | Lewoco | Happens whenever I try to start an X client. |
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| 22:43.26 | triptec | MoDaX: thx! |
| 22:43.42 | Synchronized | what's the difference between text mode and single user mode |
| 22:44.16 | alakx | they can't be drivers..my box had the same problem before reinstalll |
| 22:44.33 | Synchronized | ? |
| 22:44.46 | EquanimousCoward | triptec: poke around in /proc/net |
| 22:44.59 | _vvd | Lewoco: most like chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 22:45.09 | _vvd | Lewoco: will fix it |
| 22:45.12 | MoDaX | Synchronized: basically single user mode means that no services should be running |
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| 22:45.28 | Lewoco | _vvd: Still no go |
| 22:45.31 | Synchronized | ok |
| 22:45.37 | Synchronized | and how do i make text mode run |
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| 22:45.59 | Lewoco | _vvd: Which program creates /tmp/.X11-unix? |
| 22:46.32 | MoDaX | Synchronized: ctrl+alt+F1...6 from X |
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| 22:46.58 | _vvd | Lewoco: X server on startup im sure (almost) |
| 22:47.09 | triptec | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable? |
| 22:47.10 | alakx | How can I change permanently system language ? So that editors and other programs would be also in english |
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| 22:47.17 | marcelo | hello |
| 22:47.35 | christefano | happy Pi Day everyone |
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| 22:48.05 | _vvd | christefano: today is bj-day |
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| 22:48.21 | the_plumber | hello all, im trying to get a hold of debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso, but cant install jigdo and cant get the bittorrent off the cdimage.debian.org (servers not responding?), does any know of an http site or ftp server that would have the 7 disks? |
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| 22:48.26 | christefano | I'll tell your wife :P |
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| 22:49.03 | _vvd | christefano: i have no wife! :) btw, what is Pi-day? |
| 22:49.11 | the_plumber | you cant even get cd image faq off the cdimage server |
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| 22:49.40 | christefano | 3.14159 etc. |
| 22:49.42 | yenno | hi, how can i send input to a running console program? or can it be done using screen? |
| 22:49.54 | christefano | today is 03-14 |
| 22:50.03 | _vvd | christefano: aaah eh |
| 22:50.07 | christefano | :) |
| 22:50.11 | christefano | what's bj-day? |
| 22:50.24 | ferret_0567 | 17:49 dpkg: Debian Search of 'sdpd' (4 of 6): (/usr/bin/dasdpdsu) in otherosfs/hercules ;; |
| 22:50.31 | ferret_0567 | how do I say next page of results? |
| 22:50.43 | ferret_0567 | http://www.metacon.ca/bcs/view.php?page=bluetooth |
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| 22:50.59 | ferret_0567 | I need "Internet Access via Bluetooth on Linux" |
| 22:51.08 | ferret_0567 | that is what that page is all about |
| 22:51.33 | ferret_0567 | I need the Bluetooth Service Discovery daemon, sdpd |
| 22:51.34 | Jos | i've got that set up :> |
| 22:51.39 | ferret_0567 | what debian package is it in? |
| 22:51.45 | Jos | had, on my debian laptop :p |
| 22:51.47 | ferret_0567 | Jos: how? |
| 22:51.50 | Jos | euh |
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| 22:52.04 | _vvd | christefano: blowjob day |
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| 22:52.16 | Jos | the first step is to get a serial connection over bluetooth to your phone |
| 22:52.17 | christefano | yeah, that's what I though :/ |
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| 22:52.17 | zinx | ferret_0567: probably one of the bluez-* packages |
| 22:52.25 | Jos | so, is your bluetooth stick recognized? |
| 22:52.28 | zinx | ferret_0567: or just 'bluetooth' |
| 22:52.29 | ferret_0567 | I have WiFi as well but Linux on LifeDrive doesn't support WiFi yet |
| 22:52.30 | _vvd | christefano: thats what i thought that you thought :\ |
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| 22:52.33 | ferret_0567 | I plan on getting support |
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| 22:52.45 | ferret_0567 | I just want to make sure internet works under L1nux |
| 22:52.51 | christefano | I thought you thought that I thought that |
| 22:52.57 | Jos | so, does your bluetooth stick work? |
| 22:53.00 | ferret_0567 | yes |
| 22:53.06 | ferret_0567 | lifedrive is bonded |
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| 22:53.11 | ferret_0567 | under Palm OS |
| 22:53.21 | Jos | uh |
| 22:53.27 | ferret_0567 | now, how to connect it to the network through bluetooth? |
| 22:53.30 | Jos | i did it with my Nokia and some really cheap bluetooth stick |
| 22:53.55 | Jos | bwuh |
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| 22:54.26 | Jos | something with ppp :p |
| 22:55.03 | Jos | you've got a serial device linking to your phone? |
| 22:55.32 | Jos | probably something like /dev/rfcomm* |
| 22:55.46 | Jos | install ppp |
| 22:55.52 | Jos | edit the config file to suit your needs |
| 22:55.54 | Jos | then run ppp |
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| 22:59.11 | alakx | Okey..what could be the reason for this problem: I am trying to launch a file with the following command: ./ventrilo_srv and it says: bash: ./ventrilo_srv: No such file or directory..But it is in the same Directory |
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| 22:59.21 | alakx | -rwxrwxrwx 1 hlds hlds 243084 Sep 22 2003 ventrilo_srv |
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| 22:59.42 | Jos | let me guess... 64 bit server? :p |
| 23:00.00 | alakx | yeah |
| 23:00.13 | ferret_0567 | Jos: yes |
| 23:00.20 | ferret_0567 | nvm.... |
| 23:00.22 | Jos | :p |
| 23:00.28 | Jos | alakx, you'll need the ia libs |
| 23:00.34 | ferret_0567 | Jos: can I have your ppp config file? |
| 23:00.42 | ferret_0567 | I really could use it |
| 23:00.50 | Jos | ferret_0567: linux is no longer installed on that machine :( |
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| 23:00.54 | ABC|dOC | hi there |
| 23:00.56 | ferret_0567 | crud/.... |
| 23:01.01 | ferret_0567 | Jos: how did you do it? |
| 23:01.15 | Jos | ferret_0567: euh .. use google a lot :p |
| 23:01.17 | ABC|dOC | i've 2 troubles using "df" command on debian etch, with several kernels. 1st case : df is reporting an ext3 partition 10 times smaller. 2nd case : df is reporting only root partition, not /home (ext3) - The problems are not on same computer |
| 23:01.21 | Jos | http://kapsi.fi/~mcfrisk/linux_gprs.html#AEN423 |
| 23:01.23 | ferret_0567 | I don't want to keep Linux on LifeDrive waiting... |
| 23:02.01 | Jos | ABC|dOC: are they correctly mounted? look up using the 'mount' command |
| 23:02.17 | ferret_0567 | Jos: ty very much |
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| 23:02.45 | Jos | ferret_0567, was searching for "gprs ppp linux" ppp is the connection type used for your situation :p |
| 23:03.19 | ferret_0567 | Jos: ah |
| 23:03.35 | ferret_0567 | Jos: what package do I install to get ppp? |
| 23:03.37 | aintnobody | ferret_0567: does your /dev/modem symlink point to bluetooth yet? |
| 23:04.00 | ABC|dOC | Jos : yes they are |
| 23:04.24 | wof | a |
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| 23:04.33 | ABC|dOC | on 2nd case, i can't see the /home mounted, but yes it is mounted (i'm in, i can read/write files) |
| 23:04.39 | ferret_0567 | aintnobody: don't think so |
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| 23:04.43 | Jos | ferret: apt ppp? although I just found it's desktop variant if you're interested @ http://www.geocities.com/tru2oxid/index.html |
| 23:05.04 | ferret_0567 | I don't have no /dev/modem |
| 23:05.07 | Jos | aintnobody that's not needed, but it is important that a serial connection is set up |
| 23:05.10 | RvGaTe | how can i check wich app is using a certain port? it seems that my ircd port is in use, altho i dont have any processes active that look like they could be using it... |
| 23:05.31 | Jos | RvGaTe: netstat --listening or lsof -i |
| 23:05.41 | Jos | lsof -i | grep ircd |
| 23:06.17 | MoDaX | RvGaTe: sudo netstat -lp |
| 23:06.35 | MoDaX | or as root |
| 23:06.42 | RvGaTe | wth is inetd ? :S |
| 23:07.04 | _vvd | RvGaTe: its a trojaner |
| 23:07.13 | erpo | RvGaTe: The internet superserver. |
| 23:07.27 | RvGaTe | erpo, whats so super about it |
| 23:07.35 | _vvd | RvGaTe: ))) |
| 23:07.36 | erpo | RvGaTe: Nothing, really. I think it sucks. |
| 23:07.57 | RvGaTe | why do i need it? |
| 23:08.05 | MoDaX | RvGaTe: apt-cache show openbsd-inetd |
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| 23:08.22 | ShiftOnYou | hey there |
| 23:08.32 | \amethyst | RvGaTe: aptitude why openbsd-inetd |
| 23:09.02 | MoDaX | RvGaTe: it was useful in the past to save memory for rarely used services |
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| 23:09.18 | RvGaTe | so its ok to remove it from my system... ? |
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| 23:09.37 | ShiftOnYou | is it normal that mke2fs freezes on a truecrypt partition? (one core of my cpu is used 100% the other 0%) there is written writing inode-table 180/3353 and no progress :( does any 1 know that `? |
| 23:09.41 | MoDaX | RvGaTe: better cleanup its config file |
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| 23:11.40 | RvGaTe | MoDaX, got it... thx... (and others :)) |
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| 23:12.23 | monra | Hello. At the moment I have a window manager installed (stumpWM) and want to install one more to switch between them. How is that possible? |
| 23:12.32 | RvGaTe | there's my friend :P _RvGaTe :) |
| 23:12.50 | arvernus | Hello! I just installed Debian Testing/Lenny on my laptop and wonder how I can use my wireless (intel 3945#abg). I installed iwlwifi-firmware, but I'm a bit lost now. |
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| 23:14.22 | Deezire | Is it possible to apt-get the lastest version of apt? |
| 23:14.24 | Deezire | err |
| 23:14.25 | Deezire | xen* |
| 23:14.34 | ferret_0567 | # Serial device to which the modem is connected. |
| 23:14.35 | ferret_0567 | /dev/vhci # Bluetooth serial port |
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| 23:14.51 | ferret_0567 | oh, so now it works... |
| 23:15.05 | ferret_0567 | you have to use a device that actually exists |
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| 23:15.15 | ferret_0567 | how to create /dev/rfcomm0 anyway? |
| 23:15.39 | MoDaX | !ipw3945 |
| 23:15.39 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".. As of 2.6.24 in the kernel tree, see the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 23:15.45 | ferret_0567 | otherwise it says unrecognized option: rfcomm0 |
| 23:15.47 | wof | Deezire: yes, just apt-get to it |
| 23:15.47 | aintnobody | use rfcomm |
| 23:15.52 | ferret_0567 | oh, right |
| 23:15.55 | ferret_0567 | the module |
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| 23:15.57 | MoDaX | arvernus: ^^^ |
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| 23:16.51 | arvernus | MoDaX: thank you |
| 23:17.27 | MoDaX | arvernus: then install network-manager-{kde,gnome} for easier network management |
| 23:17.45 | Deezire | wof: then you get 3.0.2 |
| 23:18.06 | arvernus | MoDaX: that's already installed and it just noticed that i got a wireless chip. thanks again :) |
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| 23:20.39 | ferret_0567 | I have CONFIG_BT_RFCOMM and CONFIG_BT_RFCOMM_TTY defined to Y |
| 23:20.47 | ferret_0567 | so, wtf? no /dev/rfcomm0 ? |
| 23:20.58 | ferret_0567 | how do I make it appear? |
| 23:21.06 | ferret_0567 | I need /dev/rfcomm0 |
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| 23:28.10 | Superbartt | Yancho? |
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| 23:30.29 | WALoeIII | :( Does the testing mysql-server hang when trying to stop mysql for anyone else? |
| 23:30.30 | mattman99 | hi all, just upgraded to etch from sarge and apache2 is not starting ... complaining about not bein able to load perl modules |
| 23:31.51 | mattman99 | the system was fine before the upgrade and there seems to be some talk about some changes in perl with apache2.pm |
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| 23:34.46 | techouse | is there like some app that can set your laptop to use less power when on a batter? |
| 23:34.57 | techouse | battery* |
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| 23:36.54 | Wingard | Excuse me. |
| 23:37.22 | techouse | what for? |
| 23:37.34 | Wingard | I just installed phpMyAdmin via aptitude install phpmyadmin, but whenever I direct my browser to http://localhost/phpmyadmin, it gives me a 403 FORBIDDEN error, anyone know what could be causing it? |
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| 23:38.21 | Guerin | Wingard: failing to read the instructions |
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| 23:38.30 | Wingard | D: |
| 23:38.42 | Guerin | !helpfile phpmyadmin |
| 23:38.43 | dpkg | For help with phpmyadmin, look in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 23:39.07 | Wingard | Oh, cool, fixed it. |
| 23:39.11 | bolt | make sure you absolutely want phpmyadmin before you install it |
| 23:39.19 | bolt | to my experience, anything custom and it breaks |
| 23:39.58 | Jos | phpmyadmin works here out of the box :p |
| 23:40.13 | Wingard | Meh, just using it for about 4 MySQL databases. |
| 23:40.18 | Wingard | Shouldn't break it too much. |
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| 23:50.20 | kestir | is the standard debian download really 3 dvds? |
| 23:50.39 | Wingard | No, mine was 1 cd. |
| 23:51.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | kestir, no, the full thing is 3 dvds, you can install a desktop off the 1st cd |
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| 23:51.30 | kestir | Kamping_Kaiser: so the other 5 cds (or 2 dvds) are just extra packages? |
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| 23:52.22 | kestir | err....20 cds apparently |
| 23:52.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes they are |
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| 23:53.12 | techouse | last time i checked it was 4 dvds :D |
| 23:53.14 | Wingard | Oh yay, now I'm having a problem with installing phpMyAdmin that I have no idea how to solve. |
| 23:53.53 | kestir | Wingard: my phpMyAdmin install was pretty straightforward |
| 23:53.57 | mmlj4 | by all means, don't paste any error messages |
| 23:54.51 | Wingard | http://pastebin.com/m42808523 |
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| 23:59.49 | Xamusk | hi, I'm looking for an opensource alternative to MS Groove that runs in Ubuntu and Windows. Does anyone have any suggestions? |