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| 00:05.53 | kestir | has anyone had success net installing under vmware? |
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| 00:07.30 | Guerin | !what version |
| 00:07.30 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 00:10.53 | enouf | or to be all encompassing and ugly cat /etc/{*release*,*version*,*issue*} |
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| 00:12.00 | cmanns_2 | What could cause my debian server's nic to lag at network transfers? Using scp server-server its about 200-300kB/s, its sending anywhere from 2mbps-20mbps of traffic depending on the day but it seems all transfers are limited at 300kB/s |
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| 00:12.30 | cmanns_2 | We replaced the ethernet cable, in the past it spit errors to the console about eth1 i didnt see that nor has it happened since but the nic seems to be screwed up :( |
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| 00:29.09 | esaym | is changing the machine host name by editing /etc/hostname ok? Or is there a better way or something I missed? |
| 00:31.21 | cloakable | esaym: /etc/hostname is the recommended method. Remember to edit hosts too, and update the entry for the hostname. |
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| 00:31.38 | amphi | esaym: that makes it permanent, but not current; you'll want to run hostname too |
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| 00:32.07 | DanielW | hi |
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| 00:33.47 | enouf | erm, the "dhcp client" factoid mention; 'Then do ifup -a or reboot' <-- is that reboot there really necessary? what about just "/etc/init.d/networking restart" ? |
| 00:34.12 | Dewi | is it foolish to attempt moving an existing installation into an LVM? |
| 00:34.25 | Dewi | I can only really find information about installers |
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| 00:38.52 | DanielW | i have a problem with my exim4. If it should run user filters it trys to run them with the uid of the user of the mailaccount |
| 00:39.09 | DanielW | but exim4 itself runs with uid 102 |
| 00:40.02 | DanielW | unable to set gid=99 or uid=99 (euid=102) <- in the mainlog of exim |
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| 00:42.52 | esaym | how is the hostname showed in /etc/hosts? |
| 00:45.01 | Dewi | DanielW: a non-root process cannot just become another user |
| 00:45.51 | DanielW | Dewi: i know |
| 00:46.28 | Dewi | DanielW: I don't know anything specific about exim, but maybe you can't have those user transitions if you're not running it as root? |
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| 00:46.51 | DanielW | Dewi: but exim4 can not be run as root. (although it is set setuid ...) |
| 00:47.03 | DanielW | if i run it as root it doesn't deliver any remote mail |
| 00:47.07 | neosix | hello!! |
| 00:47.42 | Dewi | DanielW: oh. well, I use postfix normally and I don't know any of this in much detail |
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| 00:49.14 | esaym | brb, thanks guys |
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| 00:53.24 | Dewi | what is the purpose of the initrd? |
| 00:54.10 | Dewi | why couldn't the boot loader just load the kernel and run it, against the real root filesys? |
| 00:54.25 | azeem | Dewi: what do you mean with "against the real root filesys"? |
| 00:54.42 | Dewi | azeem: I mean "why have a fake root filesys in an initrd" |
| 00:55.05 | azeem | fake root? |
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| 00:55.58 | starscalling | ok |
| 00:56.21 | starscalling | anyone got a better solution to moving a very large group of files [some of which have wierd chars] than rsync ? |
| 00:56.30 | starscalling | was looking at scp but... |
| 00:56.33 | Dewi | starscalling: rsync is pretty damn good |
| 00:56.39 | Dewi | starscalling: why not use it? |
| 00:56.53 | starscalling | Dewi: not disagreeing.. but on a 38Gb transfer a fe failed to go |
| 00:56.56 | starscalling | few even |
| 00:57.01 | starscalling | [did use it] |
| 00:57.10 | starscalling | migrating some stuff from one server to another |
| 00:57.15 | Dewi | starscalling: I wonder why they failed to go |
| 00:57.18 | Tramp | Dewi: because the root filesystem may not be readily available (it may be on an lvm volume, a raid, encrypted etc - or all together) |
| 00:57.21 | starscalling | as do i.... |
| 00:57.25 | starscalling | did as root so... |
| 00:57.42 | Dewi | starscalling: I have had situations where big blocks of zeroes made it fail, so turning off the partial algorithms is necessary sometimes |
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| 00:58.12 | Dewi | Tramp: debian seems to use an initrd even when none of these situations exist.... right? |
| 00:58.27 | starscalling | just wierd chars |
| 00:58.37 | Dewi | Tramp: I am looking at moving my root partition to a newer disk, and am thinking perhaps I should get it into an LVM while I'm at it |
| 00:58.44 | Tramp | Dewi: I think so - but I don't use the standard debian setup. |
| 00:58.53 | Dewi | starscalling: scp/sftp I guess |
| 00:58.56 | Dewi | starscalling: or |
| 00:58.59 | starscalling | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:59.05 | starscalling | or? |
| 00:59.16 | Dewi | starscalling: one particularly bulletproof way (assuming your network stays up and your disks all work) is to pipe tar through ssh |
| 00:59.35 | starscalling | awesome |
| 00:59.38 | starscalling | thanx Dewi |
| 00:59.55 | Dewi | starscalling: tar cf - dir/ | ssh user@place tar xf - |
| 01:00.00 | Dewi | starscalling: try something like that |
| 01:00.12 | starscalling | ok |
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| 01:01.56 | jelly-home | rsync via ssh is probably better than tar over ssh |
| 01:02.08 | Tramp | well, but if that tar fails in the middle of operation, you have to start from the beginning. rsync is the much better solution. |
| 01:02.18 | jelly-home | right |
| 01:02.29 | Dewi | jelly-home / Tramp : he already tried rsync; it failed on funny filenames or something |
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| 01:02.58 | Tramp | yeah. Then check why and fix the problem |
| 01:03.12 | jelly-home | complete actual error messages would be more helpful |
| 01:03.23 | Tramp | right |
| 01:03.28 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 01:03.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:04.03 | starscalling | Tramp: yea trying to check why :> |
| 01:04.29 | starscalling | just only said failed to copy XXx XX etc |
| 01:05.04 | jelly-home | starscalling: no. pastebin the _real_ output, and the real command line as well |
| 01:05.19 | starscalling | eh |
| 01:05.22 | starscalling | kay in a bit |
| 01:05.24 | deprecatd | I'm trying to upgrade my mod_python to python2.5. I have installed the python2.5 package, but mod_python still uses 2.4. Is there a seperate package for python2.5, or a way to tell mod_python to use it? (Running etch) |
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| 01:06.31 | dondelelcaro | deprecatd: you'd have to recompile mod_python to use python2.5 |
| 01:06.51 | jelly-home | starscalling: also, rsync has a number of options related to its verbosity. -P, -v... |
| 01:07.22 | deprecatd | dondelelcaro: That was the answer i was expecting, but not hoping for. Thanks. |
| 01:07.54 | dondelelcaro | deprecatd: it's not that difficult to do; you basically just have to change the build-depends and a few other things. |
| 01:08.21 | dondelelcaro | deprecatd: you'd probably also want to change the name of the binary to libapache2-mod-python2.5 and conflict, but that's pretty easy. |
| 01:09.24 | Wingard | What's the command to restore my X server to it's defaults? I'm kind of stuck here on a 640x480 resolution at the moment. |
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| 01:09.44 | deprecatd | dondelelcaro: ok, I'll have a look. |
| 01:09.49 | ricosecada | I am setting up a small home server hosting a couple of my websites also having a database and mail, I am wondering if an old P500 with 512 Mb Ram would do the job? I have about 5000 visitors each month. |
| 01:11.03 | Guerin | ricosecada: you could host 10 such sites on that machine, as long as visits are steady and not all bunched up at the same time |
| 01:11.15 | ricosecada | okay |
| 01:11.17 | ricosecada | thanks |
| 01:11.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | and not full of silly shiny cpu intensive stuff |
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| 01:12.31 | cloakable | ricosecada: For a home server, the bottleneck is likely to be your upstream. |
| 01:12.55 | cloakable | Watch out for your server choking your upload. |
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| 01:17.20 | jetscreamer | ok everybody stfu RIGHT NOW |
| 01:17.25 | jetscreamer | stew-fu |
| 01:17.31 | jetscreamer | stew-foo |
| 01:18.24 | jetscreamer | stew, fu! |
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| 01:18.57 | jetscreamer | where f=friendly |
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| 01:20.07 | rdz | hi all. is there a way to export an environment variable permanently (even after rebooting) and for all shells? |
| 01:21.07 | K_Dallas | rdz, like putting it in your .bashrc or .profile file? |
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| 01:22.26 | rdz | K_Dallas, aah that is the way... i see.. how do i do it correctly? |
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| 01:22.48 | rdz | just as 'BLABLA=somevalue'? or with 'export' prepended? |
| 01:23.03 | K_Dallas | rdz i am rusty, in the old day i used to put it in .bashrc (in your home directory) but I think it is now better to put in your .profile file |
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| 01:23.41 | K_Dallas | rdz, oh, you meant syntax, look into those files, you get to have a lot of examples |
| 01:23.50 | K_Dallas | no need to export though |
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| 01:24.24 | rdz | K_Dallas, thanks |
| 01:24.28 | K_Dallas | np |
| 01:25.02 | rdz | i am on etch and there is only ~/.bash_profile . i assue that is the file |
| 01:25.03 | rdz | however, there is no example already there... |
| 01:25.10 | rdz | but i'll try as you suggested ... thanks |
| 01:25.27 | rdz | *assume |
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| 01:26.49 | lindenle | how do i install beryl? |
| 01:26.52 | lindenle | !beryl |
| 01:26.53 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of <Compiz>. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
| 01:27.03 | lindenle | !install beryl |
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| 01:42.25 | krizxx | i'm using putty for ssh connection and if i don't use putty for a few minutes, connection is closed |
| 01:42.31 | krizxx | but if i write something for long times, there isn't problem with connection |
| 01:42.37 | krizxx | is there a way to save connection when it's idle |
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| 01:43.51 | Guerin | krizxx: man sshd_config; and consult the putty documentation. It depends on the config of both client and server. |
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| 01:44.46 | theacolyte | What FTP server would you guys recommend? |
| 01:44.53 | theacolyte | vsftpd? proftpd? |
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| 01:50.10 | jetscreamer | one you like |
| 01:50.29 | jetscreamer | !ftp server |
| 01:50.34 | jetscreamer | worth a shot |
| 01:51.32 | theacolyte | hehe |
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| 01:57.59 | rdz | yo.. still fiddling around with environment variables.. i need to start firefox with some environment variables set. however, it doesn't work when firefox is started by fluxbox (by key shortcut). is there any solution for this? |
| 01:59.29 | dondelelcaro | rdz: change how fluxbox starts it by setting the variables you need |
| 01:59.58 | rdz | dondelelcaro, excuse my ignorance, but how can i do that? |
| 02:00.13 | rdz | aah |
| 02:00.20 | rdz | sorry.. i forgot to restart fluxbox.... |
| 02:00.23 | rdz | i'll try |
| 02:00.23 | dondelelcaro | rdz: have it run FOO=bar firefox; instead of what it is now, or sh -c 'FOO=bar firefox'; or similar. |
| 02:00.37 | rdz | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot |
| 02:00.40 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 02:00.52 | rdz | i thought it wasn't wokring,. but probably i just have to restart fluxbox |
| 02:01.03 | dondelelcaro | I think fluxbox has a reload command |
| 02:01.13 | dondelelcaro | but it's been a really long time since I've used it |
| 02:01.33 | rdz | dondelelcaro, yeah, it has such a command and it is called 'restart' for some reason |
| 02:01.35 | rdz | :-) |
| 02:03.27 | dondelelcaro | rdz: well, that's usually the easiest way to code it; it acutally does an exec('fluxbox'); |
| 02:03.43 | dondelelcaro | (well, probably actually does that) |
| 02:04.32 | esaym | anyway to change my email address on the debian mailing lists? |
| 02:05.09 | dondelelcaro | esaym: just unsubscribe and resubscribe. |
| 02:05.31 | dondelelcaro | esaym: and don't ask the exact same question in both channels, please. |
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| 02:06.57 | esaym | :-/ man that is going to be alot of work |
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| 02:10.01 | rdz | dondelelcaro, no luck |
| 02:10.29 | rdz | the only case where it works, is when i export the variable in a shell and then i start firefox from the shell |
| 02:10.39 | Canariss | hey |
| 02:11.28 | Canariss | /msg dpkg |
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| 02:13.51 | dondelelcaro | rdz: what is the actual line you've changed in the fluxbox configuration? |
| 02:13.59 | dondelelcaro | rdz: and you've stopped firefox, right? |
| 02:14.13 | dondelelcaro | (actually, it's probably the menu file, but whatever) |
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| 02:15.24 | cast | morning |
| 02:15.38 | intx | is there anyway to get a crc32 sum (8 alphanumeric chars) of a file? |
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| 02:16.06 | cast | hmm |
| 02:16.17 | Superbartt | check or crate intx? |
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| 02:16.28 | Superbartt | create* |
| 02:16.41 | cast | cksum does crc, but not quite what you want me thinks |
| 02:16.41 | intx | create |
| 02:16.56 | rdz | dondelelcaro, it was before: 'firefox &' and i changed it to 'export FLASH_FORCE_OSS=1; firefox &' |
| 02:17.16 | intx | cksfv is what I want I think, except it can only check as far as I know |
| 02:17.16 | dondelelcaro | rdz: you most likely just want FLASH_FORCE_OSS=1 firefox &; |
| 02:17.34 | rdz | dondelelcaro, ok i'll try |
| 02:17.34 | Superbartt | cksfv - sfv checker and generator |
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| 02:17.48 | dondelelcaro | rdz: and if that doesn't work, sh -c 'FLASH_FORCE_OSS=1 firefox' & or similar. |
| 02:18.18 | Superbartt | Create checksums for a bunch of files: |
| 02:18.19 | Superbartt | cksfv *.gz > files.sfv |
| 02:18.25 | Superbartt | from the man pages :) |
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| 02:18.42 | dondelelcaro | dunno why you'd create crc32 when you could do md5sum |
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| 02:18.56 | cast | ahh |
| 02:18.57 | cast | i know |
| 02:19.04 | cast | cfv -C |
| 02:19.08 | Darkside | hey, i'm getting this wonderful error when apt-get installing packages: unable to install updated status of `python-extclass': No such file or directory |
| 02:19.12 | intx | Superbartt: thanks |
| 02:19.18 | Darkside | same error happens for all packages i try to install |
| 02:19.24 | cast | or a sha256sum! |
| 02:19.39 | Superbartt | intx read man cksfv before asking ;) |
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| 02:20.04 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: you'll need to give us the full output from apt as well as the apt-cache policy; output for the packages involved. |
| 02:20.13 | intx | sorry :) I did a cksfv --help but didn't see anything |
| 02:20.35 | Darkside | dondelelcaro, okies, how do i get the apt-cache policy for the package? |
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| 02:20.43 | Darkside | just apt-cache policy package ? |
| 02:20.44 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: apt-cache policy foopkg; |
| 02:21.31 | Darkside | http://pastebin.ca/943242 <-- apt's output, it just hangs at the end there (have to ^C) |
| 02:21.50 | chairmeleon | Apparently, at least according to debian mailing lists, dvgrab / /dev/raw1394 support is broken in 2.6.22 of testing because it belongs to the 'old firmware stack'. is there anything I can do to make it work, without recompiling the kernel? |
| 02:22.16 | Darkside | http://pastebin.ca/943245 <-- apt-cache policy subversion |
| 02:22.31 | Darkside | please note this happens with whatever i try and install |
| 02:22.41 | Darkside | i think its probably the python-extclass that has a problem |
| 02:22.50 | Darkside | because thats when these errors first started |
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| 02:23.57 | rdz | dondelelcaro, it worked.. thanks a lot... however, it worked only aftef putting exactly this line: bash -c 'export FLASH_FORCE_OSS=1; firefox' & |
| 02:24.17 | rdz | dondelelcaro, it didn't work without export nor with sh |
| 02:24.49 | rdz | this silly problem took me almost an hour... |
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| 02:26.45 | Darkside | dondelelcaro, any ideas? |
| 02:27.23 | dondelelcaro | rdz: it'll work without export if you do it exactly like I specified it |
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| 02:29.01 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: ok, try apt-get --reinstall install python-extclass; |
| 02:29.12 | rdz | dondelelcaro, this: sh -c 'FLASH_FORCE_OSS=1; firefox' & does not work.. i swear... |
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| 02:29.32 | dondelelcaro | rdz: notice the ';' that I didn't have? that's important. |
| 02:29.34 | Darkside | dondelelcaro, nope |
| 02:29.37 | Darkside | same error |
| 02:29.38 | rdz | dondelelcaro, however, i am happy, that it works now |
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| 02:30.06 | rdz | dondelelcaro, sorry.. i misread your line.. excuse me |
| 02:30.21 | Darkside | http://pastebin.ca/943250 <-- apt-get --reinstall install python-extclass |
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| 02:30.37 | dondelelcaro | rdz: FLASH_FORCE_OSS=1 firefox; is very different from FLASH_FORCE_OSS=1; firefox; [The former sets an env variable just for the firefox invocation, the latter sets it just for the shell.] |
| 02:31.06 | dondelelcaro | rdz: no big deal, but an important distinction. |
| 02:31.29 | rdz | dondelelcaro, i understand. thanks for the explanation |
| 02:31.40 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: and dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/python-extclass_1.2.0zope-2.5.1-5_i386.deb; does what? |
| 02:32.16 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: can you also check ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-extclass*; and ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status; ? |
| 02:32.17 | Darkside | the same thing |
| 02:32.37 | Darkside | the dpkg line gives the same error, let me check the folders |
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| 02:32.55 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: once you've checked those two, run strace -ff dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/python-extclass_1.2.0zope-2.5.1-5_i386.deb; |
| 02:33.10 | Darkside | ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-extclass: No such file or directory |
| 02:33.24 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: there are other files in /var/lib/dpkg/info, right? |
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| 02:33.42 | Darkside | uh, yep |
| 02:33.44 | Darkside | lots :P |
| 02:33.57 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: ok; the strace command then should provide a lot of output. |
| 02:34.01 | Darkside | 3611 lines of ls :P |
| 02:34.02 | Darkside | heh |
| 02:34.10 | rdz | dondelelcaro, now i really copy pasted your line and it's not working again......... |
| 02:34.15 | Darkside | k ill pipe it to a file then |
| 02:34.26 | Darkside | well, 'pipe' |
| 02:34.33 | rdz | dondelelcaro, i'll stick with 'bash -c 'export [...]'' |
| 02:35.17 | dondelelcaro | redirect, yes. |
| 02:35.18 | Darkside | hey it stopped |
| 02:35.35 | Darkside | hmm, i ran the command with a > oshi.txt on the end, it still wrote to the terminal |
| 02:35.46 | Darkside | and now its just stalled |
| 02:35.48 | Darkside | hung, whatever |
| 02:35.48 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: you need > oshi.txt 2>&1 |
| 02:35.56 | Darkside | hah |
| 02:36.07 | Darkside | ok gimme a sec |
| 02:36.32 | Darkside | heres the problem |
| 02:36.38 | Darkside | the stacktrace hangs |
| 02:37.06 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: it will, just break it. |
| 02:37.16 | Darkside | ok |
| 02:37.22 | Darkside | ill pastebin it now, if it will fit |
| 02:37.22 | Darkside | lmao |
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| 02:38.11 | Darkside | [2] RETR oshi.txt |
| 02:38.11 | Darkside | [2] 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for oshi.txt (292824 bytes). |
| 02:38.11 | Darkside | [2] 500 OOPS: child died |
| 02:38.15 | Darkside | oh so awesome... |
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| 02:38.25 | Darkside | AAAAAAH |
| 02:38.34 | _dude | hello can i ask a mencoder question in here?? |
| 02:38.44 | dondelelcaro | _dude: if it's mencoder on Debian you can. |
| 02:38.59 | Darkside | dondelelcaro, now i'm getting kernel messages in my terminal session |
| 02:39.00 | Darkside | =/ |
| 02:39.03 | rdz | _dude, i don't mind, but there is also #mplayer with a lot of expoert |
| 02:39.04 | rdz | s |
| 02:39.12 | Darkside | messages from syslogd@darkside |
| 02:39.16 | _dude | i want to encode a bunch of avi's to mpg and preserve the files names anyone help me out? |
| 02:39.37 | rdz | _dude, i think, that is more a bash question than an mencoder question |
| 02:39.39 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: what are they? |
| 02:39.49 | _dude | doesnt mencoder batch |
| 02:39.53 | Darkside | its vsftpd crapping up |
| 02:39.59 | Darkside | the child processes are dying |
| 02:40.00 | Darkside | argh |
| 02:40.00 | rdz | _dude, afaik mencoder has no built-in mechanism to encode multiple files |
| 02:40.02 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: ah; nevermind then. |
| 02:40.12 | _dude | ouwch |
| 02:40.16 | Darkside | ill restart vsftpd, gimme a sec |
| 02:40.24 | _dude | ok thanks |
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| 02:40.25 | rdz | _dude, but you could easily do it with find or with a for loop |
| 02:40.46 | _dude | hmm i'll get back to that |
| 02:40.47 | dondelelcaro | _dude: there's no real reason for it to either; you can just for a in *.avi; do mencoder -in "$a" -out "${a%%.avi}.mpg"; done; (or whatever the hell the right options are) |
| 02:40.48 | _dude | thanx |
| 02:41.02 | Darkside | oh great... now vsftpd is stuffed |
| 02:41.03 | Darkside | ffs |
| 02:41.07 | rdz | _dude, my sentence wasn't fully correct.. you can use mencoder to encode multiple images to a movie file. |
| 02:41.17 | rdz | but afaik, there is no batch |
| 02:41.28 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: check dmesg; really quickly too and make sure there's nothing unusual going on |
| 02:41.31 | _dude | i need individual files so i can author the titles |
| 02:41.57 | rdz | _dude, it shouldn't be too hard to write a litle script that does that |
| 02:41.58 | _dude | ok thanx all |
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| 02:42.03 | Darkside | yeah what am i meant to check about it dondelelcaro |
| 02:42.09 | Darkside | i can't read hex like you 1337 people |
| 02:42.10 | Darkside | :P |
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| 02:42.43 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: there shouldn't be hex in it; my main question was whether you had the OOM going or hard drive I/O issues. |
| 02:43.23 | Darkside | hang on, i'm uploading the output of dmesg to a pastebin |
| 02:43.51 | Darkside | http://pastebin.ca/943257 <-- dmesg |
| 02:44.44 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: heh. vsftp is triggering a kernel oops |
| 02:44.57 | Darkside | http://filebin.ca/ooaazt/oshi2.txt theres teh stacktrace output |
| 02:45.01 | Darkside | yay for vsftpd |
| 02:45.11 | Darkside | id replace it, but OH I CAN'T |
| 02:45.13 | Darkside | ... |
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| 02:45.31 | Darkside | heh |
| 02:45.36 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: it's not lenny that's the problem, it's the kernel. You should upgrade to the -3 kernel. |
| 02:45.47 | Darkside | oh yay |
| 02:45.53 | Darkside | well this is going to be fun i can tell |
| 02:46.12 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: hrm... oshi2.txt has the dmesg output, not the stack trace |
| 02:46.16 | Darkside | just as a note, the computer i'm having these problems on is a gateway box on my network that is used for network access |
| 02:46.17 | triptec | is there any gain having a audio stream daemon vs just letting apache stream files on demand? |
| 02:46.18 | Darkside | oh sorry |
| 02:46.18 | Darkside | hang on |
| 02:46.34 | Darkside | internet access* |
| 02:46.46 | Darkside | and i've never done a kernel upgrade before (only got this thing set up 2 weeks ago lmao) |
| 02:47.05 | Darkside | Linux darkside 2.6.22-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:24:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux <-- fyi |
| 02:47.16 | Darkside | http://filebin.ca/gztgvu/oshi.txt <--- stacktrace, 250kbish |
| 02:47.22 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: oh, a kernel upgrade is pretty trivial, though getting dpkg to work is kind of first. |
| 02:47.35 | Darkside | yeah |
| 02:47.36 | Darkside | :P |
| 02:47.46 | Darkside | i forget that with debian you dont have to compile shit, which is nice |
| 02:48.12 | Darkside | and im guessing i dont have to worry abotu the whole root exploit thingy with the new kernel versions? |
| 02:48.24 | Darkside | not that i'm really worried, there only one account on that box anyway |
| 02:49.11 | Darkside | hmm this is interesting..... i dont think the whole file uploaded |
| 02:49.24 | Darkside | nope, it didn't, thats dodgy |
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| 02:50.13 | LimCore | http://pastebin.ca/943261 - I heared a lound click from my hard drive. mobo failing? |
| 02:50.27 | Darkside | loud click from hdd = O SHI... moment |
| 02:51.28 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: yeah, it kind of seems to be missing chunks. |
| 02:51.32 | Darkside | yep |
| 02:51.34 | Darkside | im working on that |
| 02:51.54 | Darkside | i have alternate hosting solutions |
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| 02:52.01 | dondelelcaro | anyway, I'm going to be out for about 20 minutes, but if you show that to someone here, they should be able to tell you what the problem is. |
| 02:52.16 | dondelelcaro | (have to watch f1 qualifying) |
| 02:52.31 | Darkside | http://darklomax.org/oshi.txt |
| 02:52.32 | zykes | anyone here had problems while installing debian etch on "configuring libssl" ? |
| 02:52.49 | zykes | mine has been hanging there for like 3 mins without any response |
| 02:53.47 | Darkside | http://darklomax.org/oshi.txt <---- O crap DKPG is broke |
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| 02:55.11 | zykes | anyone had that fault ? |
| 02:55.44 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: can you check to make sure no other dpkg process is running? |
| 02:56.07 | AzMoo | Hey, I'm trying to install debian from a USB stick and I'm having trouble mounting it after I've extracted the boot image to it. I get an error: "Bogus number of reserved sectors" |
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| 02:57.36 | dondelelcaro | Darkside: also, can you remove the python-extclass deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/python-extclass_1.2.0zope-2.5.1-5_i386.deb and re-download it? |
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| 03:02.41 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | How do I add a "Open in Terminal" command to GNOME? |
| 03:02.59 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | if I were to right click on a directory and then, Open in Terminal |
| 03:03.27 | AzMoo | Hrm, it seems that I get the same error if I just format the USB stick with: mkdosfs -I /dev/sdb |
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| 03:04.41 | AzMoo | Ah, I mount the whole stick, not sdb1. |
| 03:04.43 | AzMoo | win1 |
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| 03:05.36 | Darkside | dondelelcaro, sorry, i was afk |
| 03:05.38 | Darkside | ill check |
| 03:05.53 | Darkside | ok no dpkg processess running |
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| 03:07.29 | Darkside | ok i deleted that file, did apt-get install again for it, and it still craps up |
| 03:07.35 | Darkside | same errors as before |
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| 03:09.34 | factor | cool the kde desktop works in unstable and testing again |
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| 03:24.17 | SpineShank | anyone know a good link that explains how to turn debian into a wireless access point? |
| 03:25.00 | Haris1 | strange! things are happening. What's new is, the access.log for squid contains 318 lines and whenever I run ts ( tail -n 100 -f /var/log/squid3/access.log ), my ssh session gets stuck after 7 lines, I have to disconnect from my ssh session and reconnect to fix this. Anyone seen this kind of mysterious problem? |
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| 03:28.05 | Haris1 | ok, this is only happening when I'm accessing the server from outside the network, not when I access it from within the network |
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| 03:32.34 | vvd | my router connects to the internet, so my pc is in a lan, how do applications like gnutella know my wan ip? |
| 03:33.36 | vvd | not really debian, but where else should i ask? :) |
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| 03:33.53 | Superbartt | #gnutella? :P |
| 03:33.56 | vvd | ;) |
| 03:33.59 | Superbartt | there's a dozen ways to find out your external ip |
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| 03:35.09 | vvd | but doesnt nat remove the target ip? |
| 03:35.15 | vvd | i mean, how? |
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| 03:36.09 | vvd | is there a special tcp/ip flag for that? |
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| 03:37.56 | Tramp | vvd: for what? your (lan) client doesn't know the wan-IP and doesn't care (s-nat or "masquerading") |
| 03:39.02 | Haris1 | Do we have an app to troubleshoot/check squid from LAN? |
| 03:39.14 | Haris1 | like we have swaks for MTAs on debian |
| 03:39.32 | Haris1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.46 | vvd | Tramp: yeah, nevertheless gnutella shows me my wan ip, dunno why |
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| 03:40.35 | vvd | Tramp: say id want to know my wan ip |
| 03:40.44 | the_plumber | can anyone tell me where i can get the woody jigdo file for cd 1? |
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| 03:41.01 | the_plumber | had the url to us.debian.org but seem to have lost it |
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| 03:42.51 | Tramp | vvd: maybe it's in the protocol (i.e. the other end tells it, how it sees it after the s-nat) - go to "showmyip.com" or similar services |
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| 03:43.40 | Tramp | vvd: or ask your router |
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| 03:44.13 | the_plumber | oh, finally found it, thanks for all your help! |
| 03:44.24 | setient | who here thinks debian on a p120 with 24 megs of ram(It is a laptop) is a bad idea and won't really work |
| 03:44.25 | the_plumber | you guys are great |
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| 03:45.00 | setient | i am honestly just trying to find a distro for it. I am going to be doing wep cracking on it (i know it is under powered) it is just staying at my apartment |
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| 03:45.22 | vvd | Tramp: ic, yeah that makes sense, would be easy |
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| 03:48.38 | vvd | there is #networking |
| 03:48.44 | Tramp | setient: I thing 48MB are the minimum requirement: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 03:49.08 | setient | Tramp: i know, is that an actual kernel requirement |
| 03:49.15 | SpineShank | setient, i got gentoo on a AMD k6-2 300MHz with 32mb of ram as a wireless access point, thinking of putting debian on it |
| 03:49.20 | SpineShank | its just SLOW |
| 03:49.37 | setient | i am not really THAT worried about the speed |
| 03:49.46 | SpineShank | used debian on it a while back just to crack WEP around my house |
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| 03:50.01 | SpineShank | had Xorg on it aswell with fvwm, ran ok |
| 03:50.19 | setient | i mean it should be ok on 24 |
| 03:50.26 | SpineShank | the 2gb drive is just murder when trying to do anything |
| 03:50.55 | SpineShank | pickup some old ram for it, shoudl atleast be able to hold 64 |
| 03:52.00 | setient | i got an 8 gig |
| 03:52.05 | setient | i got it free from a friend |
| 03:52.26 | SpineShank | thats how i got mine |
| 03:52.30 | SpineShank | broken lid aswell |
| 03:52.45 | SpineShank | but works good for tossing in the closet and letting it build dust/uptime |
| 03:53.29 | setient | well the laptop i have had. I do not want to format the install on the 1 gig hd |
| 03:53.36 | setient | it is because it has the origional windows 95 install with other stuff |
| 03:53.49 | setient | I got a p3 600 1u that i use for running virtual machines |
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| 03:54.42 | SpineShank | my only other laptop is a dell inspiron 8200 with a 2.0GHz :/ the woman wont let me take XP off it |
| 03:54.59 | SpineShank | so i had to dual boot freebsd |
| 03:56.30 | setient | HA. I got a macbook pro i actually use for day to day stuff, it is like a year old. it is ok |
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| 04:02.55 | LemensTS | how do i boot to bash, and not into the gui? |
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| 04:03.48 | kaiorafael | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.57 | kaiorafael | ;) |
| 04:06.13 | LemensTS | Booted to single user mode and put password as maintenance....i kept hitting ^d |
| 04:09.26 | Darkside | dondelelcaro, you back yet? |
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| 04:13.30 | jim | Darkside did you need a chan op or is what you want (part of) a debian question? |
| 04:13.43 | Darkside | its a debian problem |
| 04:13.46 | Darkside | he was helping me out |
| 04:13.51 | Darkside | dpkg has ... problems |
| 04:13.57 | jim | oh ok... |
| 04:13.59 | Darkside | http://darklomax.org/oshi.txt <---- stack trace |
| 04:14.18 | jim | dpkg in which flavor of debian? |
| 04:14.30 | Darkside | unstable |
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| 04:14.40 | Darkside | i always forget the toy story names... |
| 04:14.45 | Dewio | what do I need to do to migrate my ext3 system to LVM? |
| 04:14.47 | jim | I gotcha |
| 04:14.51 | Dewio | all the tutorials are about encryption |
| 04:15.11 | jim | Dewio: first thing you need is unpartitioned space |
| 04:15.16 | Dewio | and the debian ones have the encryption outside the LVM which takes things even further from directly booting off LVM |
| 04:15.31 | Dewio | jim: I mean the booting part... I have no idea what I need |
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| 04:15.44 | Dewio | jim: I'm getting the idea /boot must be outside the LVM... but that's all I have |
| 04:16.05 | jim | Dewio: what are you trying to accomplish right now? |
| 04:16.15 | jim | -o |
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| 04:16.31 | Darkside | s/Dewio/Dewi |
| 04:16.34 | Dewi | jim: work out how to transfer / inside an LVM on this other disk |
| 04:16.38 | Dewi | jim: and have it boot |
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| 04:17.15 | jim | do you want to use both disks for one installation? or are you switching? |
| 04:17.34 | Dewi | jim: I'm switching. |
| 04:17.50 | Dewi | jim: my current / is getting pretty old, occasional SMART error... |
| 04:17.52 | jim | ok, what if your first step is to create the /boot |
| 04:17.54 | hooya | how do i setup a pool in dhcp to match on the first three bytes of the hardware address? all examples i see match on all 6. |
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| 04:18.26 | jim | (there are lots of different ways, seems like you can do that first) |
| 04:18.57 | Dewi | jim: one catch is that my BIOS is extremely primitive, meaning I will have to physically reorder the plugs to get it to boot from this other disk |
| 04:19.21 | Dewi | jim: meaning the numbers will all change, so I should probably do the bootloader related stuff from a debian live CD after reordering disks |
| 04:19.21 | jim | hmm |
| 04:19.38 | jim | that way makes sense |
| 04:19.48 | jim | well they both do :) but it's your choice |
| 04:19.51 | Dewi | jim: plus I can't really transfer / while it's mounted; I'd like to just DD it using that live CD |
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| 04:20.00 | Dewi | jim: basically what I'm trying to say is that internet access is going to be tough |
| 04:20.20 | Dewi | jim: because I run ppp on this box |
| 04:20.22 | jim | the dd part is not necessarily a good idea |
| 04:21.00 | Dewi | jim: it feels less bad than 'cp --archive' |
| 04:21.09 | jim | do you want a fresh installation? or exactly what you have |
| 04:21.16 | Dewi | jim: exactly what I have |
| 04:21.21 | jim | ok |
| 04:21.25 | Dewi | it's tempting to just reinstall |
| 04:21.31 | Dewi | but I'd really rather not |
| 04:21.53 | Dewi | aah, sod it. I'll just reinstall. |
| 04:21.56 | jim | well my usual thing is to recommend that the copy of each partition be performed by a command like... |
| 04:22.11 | jim | (assume a blank partn on /mnt) |
| 04:22.32 | Dewi | hmm, no, no reinstall... there has to be a way to dd this over and have it still boot |
| 04:22.39 | Dewi | I can just forget LVM if I have to, but it would be nice |
| 04:22.55 | jim | (cd /home ; tar cfpl - .) | (cd /mnt; tar xfp -) |
| 04:23.15 | Xcerca | isn't there a file that says what comes up when you right click on the desktop that you can change... what file is that ? |
| 04:23.39 | Dewi | jim: what's that going to do to /dev and /proc and /sys ? |
| 04:23.39 | jim | to use dd, you have to be copying the same size and type of partition |
| 04:23.58 | jim | the l says ignore those |
| 04:24.01 | Dewi | jim: my / is only 6gb or something |
| 04:24.19 | Dewi | jim: and ext3 can grow if I ever need it to |
| 04:24.27 | Dewi | (and currently I don't) |
| 04:24.32 | jim | why lvm then? |
| 04:24.49 | Dewi | snapshotting... easier to resize |
| 04:25.59 | jim | ok |
| 04:26.10 | Dewi | can you tell me what the initrd is for? |
| 04:26.31 | jim | modules needed to mount / |
| 04:26.37 | fudus2 | how to install flash? |
| 04:26.47 | Dewi | jim: while filesys does an initrd use? |
| 04:26.57 | Dewi | s/while/what/ |
| 04:27.02 | wols | ~initrd |
| 04:27.02 | apt | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. |
| 04:27.02 | dpkg | i heard initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 04:27.25 | wols | Dewi: it's an archive, cpio I think |
| 04:27.42 | fignew | yep, cpio |
| 04:27.53 | jim | (normally those are compiled into the kernel, but initrds open the door to single kernel image packages that support much more hardware at install time |
| 04:27.55 | Dewi | wols: can one mount cpios ? |
| 04:28.25 | Dewi | anyway I am looking at LVM so I can see that's a reason to use an initrd |
| 04:28.38 | Dewi | it's not totally clear to me why I already have one, but I believe as a stock standard debian user, I do have one |
| 04:28.47 | Dewi | this is probably a good thing for my purposes |
| 04:29.01 | jim | it's already seeming fairly complex at boot, yes? |
| 04:29.08 | Dewi | jim: yep! |
| 04:29.34 | Dewi | jim: I am really trying to read up on this, but everything's a bit vague or overly specific to a task I'm not performing |
| 04:30.10 | wols | Dewi: afaik no. you can extract it. |
| 04:30.22 | wols | Dewi: gzipped cpui yes |
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| 04:31.04 | jim | the thing is, that if you can just get the /boot working on the second drive (at that point -nothing- besides that partition on the drive) and everything else mounted from your old drive, you have a good start |
| 04:31.38 | Dewi | jim: grub+/boot you mean? |
| 04:31.50 | wols | Dewi: why do you need to know the format? |
| 04:31.58 | jim | after getting the /boot working, you can rehome your system so it boots from the other drive |
| 04:32.12 | Dewi | wols: just trying to work out why it can't just mount / |
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| 04:32.24 | Dewi | wols: even grub can look in ext3fs, why does the kernel need an initrd? |
| 04:32.28 | wols | error messages are awesome |
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| 04:33.00 | wols | for lvm setups? since it has to prepare the lvm setup accordingly before it can use it, and I mean before init runs |
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| 04:33.08 | wols | that is the job of the initrd in your case |
| 04:33.10 | Dewi | wols: yeah that kind of makes sense |
| 04:33.11 | jim | it-s also -imperative- that you obtain rescue media that supports: lvm, ext3, your hd controller |
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| 04:33.22 | Dewi | jim: any idea where I'm going to get that? |
| 04:33.24 | wols | for debian itselft its job to hold all the drivers a generic kernel might need |
| 04:33.26 | DrIP- | hi all |
| 04:33.35 | Dewi | jim: I usually use debian live cd for rescue but I just realised that relies on my having network access |
| 04:33.46 | DrIP- | oops |
| 04:33.50 | Dewi | jim: I just apt-get everything after boot, but that's not going to work here unless I can get ppp up |
| 04:33.56 | DrIP- | brb... |
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| 04:34.10 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 04:34.29 | wols | why would you need ppp on a live cd to run it? |
| 04:34.31 | uzbek | i can't delete files from my flash memory stick. it says read only system |
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| 04:34.45 | wols | uzbek: "mount" |
| 04:34.56 | wols | in a pastebin that is |
| 04:35.01 | Dewi | wols: so if I'm using an initrd, what does grub need to be able to see? 1) a kernel. 2) its /boot/menu.lst. 3) the initrd ? |
| 04:35.04 | linux_trojan | what is the command to configure the network card using console? |
| 04:35.12 | uzbek | i mounted with : mount /dev/sdd1 /media/flash -t vfat -w |
| 04:35.14 | wols | Dewi: all 3 |
| 04:35.21 | Dewi | wols: yeah, is that it? |
| 04:35.39 | wols | Dewi: the initrd also has to do the right things for your boot process |
| 04:35.55 | wols | uzbek: I meant you to run the command |
| 04:35.57 | Dewi | wols: does grub locate the initrd and kernel by looking in /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 04:36.03 | wols | Dewi: yes |
| 04:36.12 | linux_trojan | what is the command to configure the network card using console? |
| 04:36.22 | wols | linux_trojan: configure what part? |
| 04:36.30 | uzbek | /dev/sdd1 on /media/flash type vfat (rw) wols |
| 04:36.33 | Dewi | wols: how does it find /boot/grub ? |
| 04:36.36 | linux_trojan | static IP, Gateway, etc |
| 04:36.42 | jim | Dewi: one part of this is you can get the partition going first and then get it to boot after |
| 04:36.45 | simonrvn | the part that says "i'd like to be configured, kthx" |
| 04:36.47 | wols | uzbek: are you root when trying to delete the file? |
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| 04:36.53 | uzbek | wols, yes |
| 04:37.23 | wols | !tell uzbek about vfatrw |
| 04:37.28 | Dewi | jim: yeah. should I copy /boot over by dropping to a read-only / mount, and using tar like you said? |
| 04:37.32 | wols | !tell linux_trojan about interfaces |
| 04:37.57 | linux_trojan | its much easier in Red Hat |
| 04:38.07 | linux_trojan | you just type "netcardconfig" |
| 04:38.14 | wols | linux_trojan: then have fun in redhat. kthxbye |
| 04:38.25 | Dewi | wols: presumably when I "install grub" and I give it that parameter, that is where it looks for /boot/menu/menu.lst ? |
| 04:38.26 | fudus2 | isn't it fedora now |
| 04:38.27 | neosix | linux_trojan: just use iwconfig and ifconfig |
| 04:38.28 | jim | well you don't have to do read only because /boot really isn't changed often... but when you do the other stuff, it's helpful to be in single user mode or boot a live cd or something |
| 04:38.30 | Dewi | argh I mean /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:38.59 | Dewi | jim: true |
| 04:39.00 | wols | Dewi: I didn't say anything about tar. does grub display a menu? |
| 04:39.05 | jim | that is you don't have to have / read only in order to copy just /boot |
| 04:39.08 | linux_trojan | I can configure the static ip using IFCONFIG? |
| 04:39.10 | Dewi | wols: that was to jim |
| 04:39.13 | Dewi | wols: yes it does |
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| 04:39.28 | wols | Dewi: then grub is not your problem. stop toying with it |
| 04:39.38 | Dewi | wols: er, I am trying to migrate my install |
| 04:39.43 | neosix | linux_trojan: open network manager |
| 04:39.43 | wols | linux_trojan: if you want to type that ifconfig line after every boot: yes |
| 04:39.51 | linux_trojan | I see |
| 04:39.56 | jim | linux_trojan: sure... but there's an additional mechanism debian made up you could choose to learn about and then choose to use |
| 04:39.56 | wols | neosix: what network manager on console? |
| 04:39.59 | Dewi | wols: I'm sure I won't get a menu when I swap which disk is hd0 |
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| 04:40.12 | linux_trojan | I am on console |
| 04:40.20 | linux_trojan | network manager sound like an X app |
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| 04:40.48 | linux_trojan | so I just type ipconfig 192.168.1.200 ? |
| 04:40.55 | wols | linux_trojan: no |
| 04:40.58 | neosix | linux_trojan: no |
| 04:40.59 | wols | man ifconfig |
| 04:41.13 | linux_trojan | so I just type ipconfig eth0 192.168.1.200 ? |
| 04:41.29 | linux_trojan | all I want to do is set a static ip |
| 04:41.31 | zarchne | s/ip/if/ |
| 04:41.38 | wols | linux_trojan: no. start using the right command and stop to trawl for spoonfeeding |
| 04:41.43 | neosix | linux_trojan: no ip that is for Win |
| 04:41.48 | neosix | linux_trojan: no if |
| 04:41.59 | linux_trojan | oh I see |
| 04:42.03 | neosix | linux_trojan: I mean ifconfig |
| 04:42.21 | linux_trojan | so I just type ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.200 ? |
| 04:42.25 | Dewi | so to start booting with my '/' inside an LVM, will I need to rebuild my initrd ? |
| 04:42.55 | neosix | linux_trojan: use iwconfig ath ESSID "your essid" |
| 04:43.03 | wols | linux_trojan: stop trawling for spoonfeeding and read the manpage |
| 04:43.16 | wols | neosix: you know this is a wlan? |
| 04:43.26 | wols | neosix: and you magically KNOW it's atheros? |
| 04:43.27 | linux_trojan | I have never heard of iwconfig |
| 04:43.43 | linux_trojan | sounds WAN related |
| 04:43.45 | neosix | wols: you right |
| 04:43.49 | wols | neosix: btw, ath is wrong too. |
| 04:44.07 | neosix | wols: ath and some nuber |
| 04:44.13 | Dewi | jim: does an initrd contain any system-specific configuration, like the location of my root filesys or the fact that it is in LVM? |
| 04:44.15 | wols | Dewi: most likely |
| 04:44.23 | wols | Dewi: in case of lvm it does |
| 04:44.26 | linux_trojan | sounds to me that its not that hard to set the static ip real quick |
| 04:44.28 | Dewi | jim: or does it just contain the tools to deal with it, and configuration sourced from... say... menu.lst ? |
| 04:44.59 | Dewi | wols: can you redirect me somewhere I can learn how to rebuild the initrd for a new situation like that? |
| 04:44.59 | wols | Dewi: you create a new initd by dpkg-reconfiguring the kerne image package |
| 04:45.08 | Dewi | wols: true |
| 04:45.35 | Dewi | wols: except... I can't imagine doing that after I booted from a live CD |
| 04:45.58 | Dewi | wols: and I obviously don't want to do it on the old disk in case I lock myself out |
| 04:46.16 | wols | Dewi: is this a remote setup? |
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| 04:46.24 | DrIP | hi all |
| 04:46.35 | Dewi | wols: no, but I will be reordering drives in order to boot off the new one |
| 04:46.56 | DrIP | can i install a debian server without internet, but add wirless support later? |
| 04:47.11 | Dewi | wols: so part of the trickiness is that I can't get the final drive order and fix my boot until I break my boot by reordering disks |
| 04:47.33 | simonrvn | Dewi: i've included fscking tools beyond what busybox provides, so you can do anything |
| 04:47.35 | wols | Dewi: good livecds can deal with lvm btw |
| 04:47.52 | wols | DrIP: yes |
| 04:47.53 | Dewi | wols: not debian's iirc |
| 04:48.01 | wols | Dewi: debian has none, yet |
| 04:48.04 | Dewi | wols: unless I specifically build one that does |
| 04:48.13 | simonrvn | it's still in infancy |
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| 04:48.19 | DrIP | wols: even with ndiswrapper? |
| 04:48.35 | Dewi | simonrvn / wols : I like it and use it often, but yes, it's just the basic system |
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| 04:48.46 | Dewi | I think I have another rescue CD somewhere here with LVM support tho |
| 04:49.01 | wols | DrIP: of course |
| 04:49.05 | DrIP | sweet |
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| 04:49.34 | Dewi | but to build my initrd to support LVM, I presumably have to break the setup I have now... |
| 04:49.41 | DrIP | i just need to install without wireless/internet so yea :) |
| 04:49.47 | Dewi | can I rebuild the initrd to my needs while booting from a foreign rescue CD? |
| 04:49.52 | Xcerca | what folder do i put themes in for gtk ? |
| 04:50.26 | simonrvn | Dewi: with a chroot (easier) |
| 04:50.53 | simonrvn | Xcerca: um, ~/.themes |
| 04:51.01 | wols | simonrvn: he still boots from the foreing CD |
| 04:51.03 | Dewi | simonrvn: as in boot from the foreign rescue CD, find my normal '/', then chroot into it so it's like I'm running my normal system? |
| 04:51.20 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 04:51.50 | Tramp | Isn't the canned initrd clever enough to find the real root, if the menu.lst contains something like "root=/dev/mapper/lv_myroot"?? |
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| 04:52.10 | Dewi | Tramp: that would be nice |
| 04:52.21 | Xcerca | simonrvn so if i'm extract folder to... how do i get to that folder ~./themes ? |
| 04:52.23 | simonrvn | ...in some ways ;) |
| 04:52.32 | Dewi | Tramp: that makes it sound very straightforward |
| 04:52.49 | Dewi | Tramp: just have to reinstall grub and edit menu.lst then |
| 04:53.02 | Tramp | actually, it was meant as a question to the Debian-Gurus ... |
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| 04:53.14 | Dewi | Tramp: yeah I'm not going to rush off and do it just yet |
| 04:53.23 | simonrvn | Xcerca: "directory", and it's ~/.themes ; note the dot. you "cd" to it and unpack it, or do it via gnome's theme manager if you're using that |
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| 04:53.40 | simonrvn | Tramp: gurus? where? |
| 04:53.46 | Tramp | 8) |
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| 04:55.33 | uzbek | how can i get uid gid? |
| 04:56.14 | simonrvn | for? |
| 04:57.31 | uzbek | for mount |
| 04:57.57 | Dewi | uzbek: it can be any user on your system |
| 04:58.11 | simonrvn | man mount like the rest of us ;) |
| 04:58.34 | Tramp | Dewi: if this were the case, you could (1) transfer your existing boot to your dedicated boot-partition on the new disk (2) frickle your hardware/bios settings (3) boot a live CD and reinstall grub, setup lvm, transfer data (4) boot into the new system |
| 04:59.14 | simonrvn | oh, that's what you're doing |
| 04:59.45 | simonrvn | middle |
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| 05:00.21 | Dewi | simonrvn: do you know if my stock standard debian etch initrd would be likely to understand a root= that refers to a lvm mapper location? |
| 05:00.32 | Tramp | Dewi: (and in step 3 you'd also edit your menu.lst and fstab to match the new settings) |
| 05:00.45 | Dewi | Tramp: yeah |
| 05:01.13 | Dewi | I can do the LVM setup now, the target disk is blank |
| 05:01.54 | Dewi | Tramp: so it might be as simple as installing grub, and changing menu.lst and fstab to suit the new locations |
| 05:02.08 | Dewi | as long as my standard initrd understands LVM paths |
| 05:02.23 | Dewi | I'll see if I can make any sense out of its configuration from last time I installed a new kernel |
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| 05:03.08 | Dewi | linux-image kernel installation would have build my initrd from the /etc/initramfs-tools/ configuration, right? |
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| 05:03.31 | simonrvn | dm_mod dm_mapper should be modules in it; yeh, confing it anyway |
| 05:04.08 | Tramp | Dewi: I mean - you can try it. The process I outlined does not modify your existing disk. So if it does not work, undo (2) and start over with a better process 8) |
| 05:04.44 | Dewi | indeed |
| 05:05.00 | enouf | Tramp: Dewi yes, i think for lvm support, you need to update-initramfs to support it /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and maybe others like /hooks /scripts etc |
| 05:05.37 | Tramp | enouf: well. And this would be a pita, imho. |
| 05:05.42 | Dewi | maybe I should install debian into an LVM in a vmware just to see what /etc/initramfs-tools should look like! |
| 05:05.58 | enouf | but i don't think grub accepts a command line like root=/dev/mapper/VG-00-XX or anything, but i could be mistaken |
| 05:06.13 | enouf | i know the initrd looks for UUID and LABEL support |
| 05:06.32 | Tramp | enouf: oh, it does. That's how I do it: root=/dev/mapper/luks_slash |
| 05:06.33 | Dewi | enouf: well I have access to a fedora box where grub has: root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 |
| 05:06.39 | enouf | so root=UUID=nnNNNNn=NNnn... and root=LABEL=Name are ok |
| 05:06.45 | Dewi | enouf: but I have no idea how its initrd was built |
| 05:06.52 | enouf | Tramp: ok, cool |
| 05:07.03 | enouf | Dewi: where'd you get it? :-( |
| 05:07.09 | enouf | oh |
| 05:07.11 | Dewi | enouf: rpm |
| 05:07.19 | Dewi | enouf: but there is no /etc/initramfs-tools |
| 05:07.25 | Dewi | enouf: like the packaged debian kernels use |
| 05:07.46 | enouf | gah, well .. maybe, just maybe, some info here about Fedora initrds? http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/24/inspecting-the-content-of-an-initrd-file/ |
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| 05:08.12 | simonrvn | 2006? should have initramfs-tools / cpio support in there |
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| 05:08.30 | simonrvn | bubye cramfs ;) |
| 05:08.30 | Dewi | simonrvn: this fedora box is old |
| 05:08.33 | enouf | Dewi: i don't know anything more than that about Fedora's system., someone mentioned 'mkinitrd' is used on Suse, but meh |
| 05:09.24 | enouf | yeah, cramfs is old time ones, so maybe mkinitrd is the way .. ugh, maybe yaird, who knows :-{ |
| 05:10.06 | Tramp | nono. mkinitramfs, afaik |
| 05:10.39 | enouf | that's part of initramfs-tools i thought |
| 05:11.02 | enouf | $ dlocate mkinitramfs |
| 05:11.02 | enouf | initramfs-tools: /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs-kpkg |
| 05:11.11 | enouf | initramfs-tools: /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs |
| 05:11.14 | Tramp | the problem is, those "magic initrd builders" examine the running config to build an initrd which boots it. But if your running config is not your desired config, things get ugly |
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| 05:12.38 | simonrvn | enouf: yes |
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| 05:12.49 | Tramp | then you start editing hooks and scripts and stuff. This is not exactly trivial. |
| 05:13.01 | simonrvn | Tramp: no kidding ;) |
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| 05:13.05 | Dewi | Tramp: I can't see much mention of LVM in my current scripts and hooks stuff |
| 05:13.14 | Dewi | Tramp: so yeah, I just need to boot in LVM to boot in LVM :) |
| 05:13.16 | jaggy- | how can I see every package installed as the result of installing another package (so I can remove them) |
| 05:13.36 | enouf | jaggy-: say what? |
| 05:13.43 | enouf | dependencies? |
| 05:13.44 | Dewi | jaggy-: you mean after you remove the package that caused them to be installed? |
| 05:13.52 | simonrvn | he means deps |
| 05:13.53 | Dewi | jaggy-: if you used aptitude this would happen automatically |
| 05:14.36 | Tramp | Dewi: did you unpack your current initrd (from /boot) and inspect it? |
| 05:14.55 | Dewi | Tramp: no... I don't think it would make any sense to me |
| 05:14.58 | enouf | apt-cache depends pkgname will spit out a list, but be sure that some of them aren't being used by another pkg ;-) |
| 05:14.59 | jaggy- | no.. I mean I installed something and it required a bunch of other things installed.. I checked it out and it's not the software I want, so I want to remove it and not leave a mess :) |
| 05:15.07 | Dewi | jaggy-: did you use aptitude? |
| 05:15.11 | enouf | that's why there's deborphan and debfoster |
| 05:15.16 | enouf | and aptitude |
| 05:15.22 | enouf | as another mentioned |
| 05:15.24 | jaggy- | I normally use aptitude, but I've been trying kpackage -- is there a downfall? |
| 05:15.28 | Tramp | Dewi: because you mentioned you did not see LVM in your current scripts |
| 05:15.35 | simonrvn | cd /initrd; zcat /boot/initrd-foo | cpio -i ;) |
| 05:15.40 | enouf | kpackage is a kde thing |
| 05:15.41 | Dewi | jaggy-: I have no idea about kpackage, but anything based on aptitude will do what you described automatically |
| 05:16.06 | jaggy- | dewi, aptitude will remove unused dependencies? |
| 05:16.10 | Dewi | jaggy-: packages you never asked for are marked as "automatic" and removed when not depended upon |
| 05:16.20 | enouf | simonrvn: zcat makes a copy, correct? |
| 05:16.26 | jaggy- | ohh... that's nice. |
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| 05:16.46 | enouf | jaggy-: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 05:17.12 | jim | zcat streams out from a compressed or gzipped |
| 05:17.30 | enouf | yeah, but it'll leave the orig intact , iinm |
| 05:17.31 | jaggy- | good.. I'll go back to that.. it supports regex too |
| 05:17.53 | jaggy- | is it the same if I use apt-get install? |
| 05:18.00 | Dewi | jaggy-: nope |
| 05:18.02 | simonrvn | enouf: yeh, just drops the contents into (/initrd in this case) |
| 05:18.09 | Dewi | jaggy-: but you can drive aptitude from the command line |
| 05:18.18 | Dewi | jaggy-: that's mostly how I invoke it |
| 05:18.28 | Dewi | 'sudo aptitude install ...' |
| 05:19.14 | jaggy- | also, this python script to list packages by time is nice |
| 05:19.34 | Tramp | Dewi: well, I mean for a test you could just create an lvm on your new disk and add an additional entry with "root=/dev/mapper/mytestlvm" to your menu.lst. Then select this on reboot and see, what the initrd does. Takes 10 minutes. |
| 05:19.50 | enouf | jaggy-: maybe also install aptitude-doc-en pkg, /msg dpkg search, look in /usr/share/doc/aptitude, man aptitude |
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| 05:20.21 | jaggy- | http://bdh.voyager.com/pkgtimes |
| 05:20.23 | Dewi | Tramp: yeah... starting to think I should just try it. But /etc/iniramfs-tools/ doesn't look encouraging. getting inside this box to mess with the boot order is risky too... |
| 05:21.07 | enouf | jim: righto ; $ find /bin -samefile /bin/zcat | xargs echo |
| 05:21.09 | enouf | /bin/gzip /bin/gunzip /bin/zcat /bin/uncompress |
| 05:21.21 | Dewi | hmm, does ubuntu boot from LVM? I have a vmware instance here... I'll check it |
| 05:21.30 | Tramp | Dewi: well, imho we could ponder additional options for hours, but at some point you will have to either try something or reinstall. |
| 05:21.39 | hooya | does anyone how to write a match statement for isc dhcp server to match the first 3 bytes of the hardware address? |
| 05:21.49 | simonrvn | Dewi: the live supports lvm |
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| 05:22.37 | enouf | Dewi: likely very much how we do it, but wiki.debian.org and debian-administration.org might help aa bit there |
| 05:22.47 | Tramp | Dewi: however, I wish you the best of luck - gtg. |
| 05:22.56 | Dewi | Tramp: thx for your help |
| 05:23.04 | Tramp | np-cu. |
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| 05:23.18 | enouf | Dewi: i think erm INSERT (small knoppix based) recognizes lvms and raids |
| 05:23.36 | Dewi | enouf: I don't mean for rescue, I mean for figuring out what initrd I'm going to need |
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| 05:24.32 | jaggy- | ./pkgtimes | sort -n |
| 05:24.37 | enouf | Dewi: i see, well, also just noticed grml.org small has lvm2 in it's pkg list http://grml.org/files/release-0.4-small/dpkg_get_selections |
| 05:24.51 | enouf | hrm |
| 05:25.07 | Dewi | enouf: haven't used that one; it looks okay |
| 05:25.17 | enouf | any / all LiveCds likely won't do, since they'll have a very specialized minirt.gz and such |
| 05:25.43 | Dewi | enouf: yeah... am I likely to bugger up my existing system if I build an initrd with additional capabilities? |
| 05:25.48 | Dewi | enouf: I can back up my existing one anyway |
| 05:25.51 | enouf | Dewi: i have it, it's a bit rough around the edges, and i haven't played much with it |
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| 05:27.16 | enouf | hrm, i came really late, so excuse my ignorance, but the debian installer should see any lvm you have and do the right thing, no ? |
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| 05:27.40 | Dewi | enouf: I'm trying to migrate |
| 05:28.08 | Dewi | enouf: I have plenty of LVM on the system, but not on the root partition, so I am worried my current initrd has no support for it |
| 05:28.19 | enouf | well, then it's just a matter of shuffling around data no? or you mean .. |
| 05:28.26 | enouf | i see |
| 05:28.43 | Dewi | enouf: I can't see anything in /etc/initramfs-tools/ that would indicate lvm support |
| 05:29.08 | enouf | Dewi: are you sure you want LVM on root now? |
| 05:29.08 | Dewi | unless it's just getting put in there automatically |
| 05:29.08 | enouf | well, take apart the initrd and look, that's the real only way |
| 05:29.08 | Dewi | enouf: maybe it's not worth it... I just like the idea of snapshotting and resizing etc |
| 05:29.20 | enouf | ahh |
| 05:29.27 | Dewi | enouf: I'll have a look I suppose, I don't know what it will mean to me |
| 05:29.39 | enouf | Dewi: well, first be sure one is not lvm1 and the other lvm2 i guess |
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| 05:30.34 | enouf | Dewi: my /usr/share/initramfs-tools/* seems to have more in it than /etc/initramfs-tools |
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| 05:31.31 | jim | lvm1 is -very- old, and does not use device mapper |
| 05:31.32 | Dewi | enouf: cpio didn't find anything in my initrd |
| 05:31.55 | jim | I don't think it's a cpio... it used to be ramfs |
| 05:32.10 | Dewi | do I need to pass through a decompressor or something? |
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| 05:32.33 | enouf | Dewi: what's file initrd.img say? |
| 05:32.39 | enouf | that'll show ya |
| 05:32.47 | Dewi | wait a minute |
| 05:32.51 | Dewi | that's not what I'm looking at |
| 05:32.54 | enouf | if it says cromfs, that's old style |
| 05:33.12 | jim | oops, wait, it seems to be a cpio |
| 05:33.15 | Dewi | oh, wait, it is, it just has a different filename convention |
| 05:33.34 | Dewi | it's a gzipped cpio I think |
| 05:33.40 | jim | correct |
| 05:33.41 | enouf | there ya go |
| 05:34.09 | jim | I had to make a decompressed file for file to see it |
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| 05:34.23 | Dewi | cpio says '24230 blocks' |
| 05:34.27 | Dewi | but I see no files created |
| 05:34.41 | jim | zcat /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18 > f && file f |
| 05:34.50 | jim | f: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC) |
| 05:35.20 | enouf | jim: i think he's viewing an older fedora one |
| 05:35.47 | Dewi | no, I'm viewing my debian one from a few days ago |
| 05:36.04 | Dewi | I know the fedora one has support for LVM... maybe I should look inside it too |
| 05:36.49 | enouf | Dewi: i didn't know you had a debian one from a few days ago :-( |
| 05:39.58 | Dewi | enouf: sorry. I do run debian and new kernels come through regularly enough. |
| 05:40.15 | Dewi | enouf: I just don't know anything about their initrd configuration |
| 05:46.27 | enouf | Dewi: ever get into it yet though? |
| 05:46.51 | Dewi | enouf: um, yeah, it has a couple of minor mentions of lvm, but nothing like the fedora one has |
| 05:47.14 | enouf | Dewi: wel did you build the debian one to have LVM support? |
| 05:47.15 | Dewi | enouf: in fedora my initrd has /etc/lvm.conf, /bin/lvm, and entries to bring it up in the init script |
| 05:47.25 | Dewi | enouf: that's what I've been trying to figure out |
| 05:47.32 | Dewi | (how to do that) |
| 05:47.43 | enouf | and the fedora one does not have LVM on / ..correct? |
| 05:47.50 | Dewi | it does |
| 05:47.53 | enouf | oh |
| 05:48.01 | Dewi | I'm just using it for reference |
| 05:48.08 | Dewi | because it's the only LVM-root machine I have access to |
| 05:48.08 | enouf | well then that makes sense the initrd has all that |
| 05:48.16 | enouf | i see |
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| 05:48.27 | Dewi | enouf: yeah, but how do I build a debian one to have it, without already being booted from such a device? |
| 05:48.41 | Dewi | mkramfs-tools seems to scan the current configuration... |
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| 05:51.28 | enouf | Dewi: hrm, good question .. /me scratches .. erm, settings in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf , add the dm-setup, dm-mod modules needed in /modules and again, i think a /hook script , run update-initramfs with the correct flags |
| 05:51.57 | enouf | Dewi: i don't think /etc/default/lvm-common is anything here |
| 05:52.21 | Dewi | I already have several LVM disks in fstab |
| 05:52.39 | enouf | Dewi: ya know, make-kpkgs has the --initrd option ;-) |
| 05:54.08 | enouf | MKINITRAMFS-KPKG(8) heh .. i'm just not sure, especially without ever really playing with it , apologies |
| 05:55.01 | Dewi | this is ridiculous |
| 05:55.07 | Dewi | I could have installed debian in a VM by now |
| 05:55.19 | enouf | Create the initramfs for a specific kernel: update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.18-1-686 |
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| 05:55.33 | enouf | that |
| 05:55.33 | Dewi | I need to create it for LVM, not for a specific kernel |
| 05:55.48 | enouf | dude, you need a kernel version ;-) |
| 05:55.54 | jim | and for the kernel you intend to boot... |
| 05:55.57 | Dewi | my current kernel is fine |
| 05:56.06 | jim | ok, use that :) |
| 05:56.10 | enouf | so, use that to build against |
| 05:56.15 | jim | does it have devioce mapper? |
| 05:56.21 | Dewi | yes, yes it does |
| 05:56.25 | Dewi | I just need LVM support in the initrd |
| 05:56.33 | jim | that should be fine then... |
| 05:56.45 | enouf | oh, so dm stuff =y in your kernel? |
| 05:56.48 | Dewi | what should? |
| 05:57.08 | Dewi | I've looked in the standard initrd, it does not have LVM support no matter how much the kernel supports it |
| 05:57.15 | Dewi | unless I'm really not seeing it |
| 05:57.21 | enouf | Dewi: you do have lvm2 installed right? |
| 05:57.34 | jim | another thing you could do is the opposite of what I suggested before... everything except /boot to lvm lvs on the other drive, then boot having that going |
| 05:57.50 | Dewi | initramfs-tools *only* normally builds the initrd for LVM, if you are already booting from LVM |
| 05:57.53 | Dewi | which I am not |
| 05:57.55 | jim | there is an advantage to this: pvscan will find where the pv is |
| 05:58.59 | Dewi | jim: no, it's still a circular dependancy. I don't know how to make it include LVM support in the initrd unless it sees that the root filesystem already is an LVM device |
| 05:59.00 | jim | you could rebuild the initrd to have all modules (temporarily) |
| 05:59.50 | enouf | Dewi: right, ok, so load the dm modules in the initrd, unless you have no modules, in which case you can't do your LVM on /, since the initrd is basically a fakeroot (emulated /) FS, then the kernel (no modules i suppose, if all dm stuff =y in kernel) takes over once you move to the real-root-dev |
| 06:00.02 | jim | you should also be able to take the result of doing just that, and alter the script inside to load dm |
| 06:00.04 | enouf | you know all that though i bet |
| 06:00.41 | Dewi | not really, no |
| 06:00.51 | Dewi | I just don't know anything about initrds |
| 06:01.24 | Dewi | I don't even know which modules are used for LVM on this system |
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| 06:02.15 | Dewi | I guess it's dm_mirror and dm_snapshot which depend on dm_mod |
| 06:02.17 | jim | again... you can cause the initrd builder to put -all- modules from the installed kernel into an initrd... unpack that initrd... edit the script that loads modules before mounting / to load device mapper... repack it... |
| 06:02.45 | jim | do you have any mirrors or snapshots right now? |
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| 06:02.50 | Dewi | no. |
| 06:03.04 | Dewi | I'm not booting from an LVM now |
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| 06:03.23 | jim | well in that case you probably don't need those modules in order to get yourself booted on the other drive the first time |
| 06:03.38 | jim | just dm itself |
| 06:03.45 | Dewi | jim: there is no dm in lsmod |
| 06:03.52 | Dewi | jim: unless you mean dm_mod |
| 06:03.58 | jim | that's probably it |
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| 06:04.07 | jim | let me check mine |
| 06:04.14 | Dewi | is that autoprobing or what? |
| 06:04.21 | Dewi | I have no idea how to check |
| 06:04.33 | Dewi | I guess it doesn't matter as I will be needing it earlier than ever |
| 06:04.38 | enouf | Dewi: oh, the kernel /Documentation is good; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/initrd.txt and /Documentation/early-userspace/README and /Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt |
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| 06:05.25 | jim | yeah, I seem to have all three of those modules loaded |
| 06:05.40 | Dewi | jim: pretty sure debian always does |
| 06:05.52 | Dewi | jim: since I can boot the live CD without having to modprobe it |
| 06:05.59 | Dewi | jim: like I do in certain other rescue CDs |
| 06:06.21 | jim | it seems you're this -><- close... |
| 06:06.50 | jim | but I always hated the feeling of not knowing what I'd do if it didn't boot |
| 06:06.54 | Dewi | . o O ( and going nowhere ) |
| 06:07.01 | Dewi | look, I'm just going to go and do it in VM |
| 06:07.15 | Dewi | at least then I'll see something representative of a current debian system |
| 06:07.37 | jim | if you do that, perhaps you can use the one in the vm to help you build an appropriate initrd |
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| 06:08.04 | icesword | can i use ubuntu's wine in debian |
| 06:08.06 | Dewi | jim: I'm hopeful that just diffing /etc/initramfs-tools/ will show me a lot |
| 06:08.28 | Dewi | jim: everything else about the configuration should be pretty near identical |
| 06:08.33 | Dewi | jim: as far as boot-time goes |
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| 06:08.49 | Dewi | jim: I'm still not really clear about what *writes* /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
| 06:09.01 | liable | icesword: not recommended. you can try, and if its breaks, you get to keep all the pieces :) |
| 06:09.18 | Dewi | jim: what is the thing that scans my current config and uses it for the initrd? is that before or after /etc/initramfs-tools/ gets involved? |
| 06:10.20 | icesword | liable, thx,you know,wine in repos is not the latest,btw,where can i get the latest one for debian |
| 06:10.33 | liable | icesword: try backports.org |
| 06:10.39 | icesword | k |
| 06:10.47 | icesword | liable, thank you |
| 06:10.52 | liable | np |
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| 06:13.55 | tuv | the current state of web browsers is a shame to all software developers, commercial and free alike. they consume ridiculous amounts of memory! |
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| 06:15.59 | Octopus | Does anyone know if it's possible to select all lines of a file in nano (to copy it) ? |
| 06:16.05 | triptec | how do i search text files recursive and grep for things? something like cat *|grep option?? |
| 06:16.15 | Octopus | Like there is Ctrl+A |
| 06:17.05 | liable | triptec: grep -r text dir/ |
| 06:17.08 | enouf | tuv: links2 -g and/or Dillo ftw \o/ |
| 06:17.14 | triptec | liable: thx |
| 06:18.15 | tuv | triptec, grep -r |
| 06:18.18 | enouf | Dewi: i know you're looking for a straight answer at this point, but i can't give one about this LVM stuff :-( .. especially when you're not using a kernel that uses =y for the dm stuff |
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| 06:19.07 | Dewi | enouf: it's the default kernel |
| 06:19.13 | icesword | liable, i add that site,but i apt-cache show wine only got 0.9.25 available,is that normal |
| 06:19.29 | hardbop200 | how do I recompile a debian kernel? I just want to change a few things, then make-kpkg all the way. I've got linux-headers, what else do I need? running make-kpkg under the linux symlink fails... |
| 06:19.35 | Dewi | enouf: anyway I just tried building a new initrd even on my current configuration and it's only half the size it should be, there are no /lib/modules in it |
| 06:19.57 | Dewi | enouf: so I can't even build the default initrd, let alone a customised one |
| 06:20.00 | tuv | Octopus, alt-a starts a mark (selection) and another alt-a ends it. start at the top of the file and use pg-dn to the end |
| 06:20.09 | Octopus | tuv: thanks a lot |
| 06:20.10 | liable | icesword: dunno. i dont use backports myself. you added it to your sources.list? |
| 06:20.18 | icesword | yeah |
| 06:20.33 | icesword | i just followed the introductions there |
| 06:20.36 | enouf | Dewi: default debian etch one? every debian linux-image-version comes with an initrd |
| 06:20.43 | liable | icesword: did you update? |
| 06:20.45 | icesword | instructions |
| 06:20.51 | Dewi | enouf: okay |
| 06:20.53 | icesword | apt-get update |
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| 06:21.07 | Dewi | enouf: but it updates it, right? |
| 06:21.25 | Octopus | tuv: doesn't really work |
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| 06:21.39 | enouf | Dewi: there are a few ways, see this http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-initramfs.html # dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 06:21.45 | Dewi | enouf: I see it happen when I install a new kernel image, it says "this may take a while..." and on some systems it does |
| 06:22.03 | liable | icesword: i dont know if they even have it, but that version you mentioned is the etch one. so you either made a mistake adding the repo, or they dont have it. |
| 06:22.17 | liable | icesword: i would be surprised if they didn't have it though |
| 06:22.18 | enouf | that's what it's doing |
| 06:22.28 | enouf | according to above mentioned line |
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| 06:22.46 | enouf | settings are in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 06:22.53 | icesword | liable, then what do you think is the problem,i just followed the instructions |
| 06:22.55 | AzMoo | Is there a netinst iso for lenny or sid? |
| 06:23.13 | tuv | Octopus, it works within the same nano only. you cut the selection with ctrl-k and paste with ctrl-u. if you want to paste into another nano, use gnome-terminal copy paste and your mouse |
| 06:23.29 | liable | icesword: dunno, reckeck your spelling. when you run update, does it show it hitting backports mirror? |
| 06:24.06 | icesword | sure,it does |
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| 06:24.27 | Octopus | tuv: i only have command line access to the shell |
| 06:24.35 | icesword | firstly,it told me i haven;t key,then i added the key,it goes right |
| 06:24.49 | tuv | AzMoo, lenny (testing) only at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 06:25.00 | liable | icesword: they have it, version 0.9.34 |
| 06:25.12 | Dewi | enouf: it sounds like it should be using initramfs-tools though |
| 06:25.22 | tuv | Octopus, then use the shell tools: cat, grep, awk and forwarding with > and >> |
| 06:25.23 | Dewi | enouf: and when I try it, it has no modules in it |
| 06:25.23 | enouf | it? ;-) |
| 06:25.39 | Dewi | enouf: it = dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-* |
| 06:25.46 | enouf | which friggin kernel already? ;-) |
| 06:25.51 | Dewi | enouf: the current one! |
| 06:26.08 | Dewi | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 06:26.16 | pgpkeys | packages.debian.org will help with what package to use |
| 06:26.21 | enouf | Dewi: and no, it won't rebuild your initrd |
| 06:26.28 | tuv | Octopus, to move text around within the same file, you caan use alt-a to select the text and ctrl-k/ctrl-u to cut and paste |
| 06:26.35 | Dewi | enouf: what does it do, update the one from the package? |
| 06:26.41 | AzMoo | tuv: ta |
| 06:26.44 | enouf | yes |
| 06:26.51 | icesword | liable, i am afraid i have to compile or use ubuntu's |
| 06:26.56 | Dewi | enouf: I wonder where I'd find that |
| 06:27.13 | tuv | Octopus, or use emacs. a full-featured complete desktops |
| 06:27.25 | liable | icesword: icesword you can try a sid backport. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 06:27.28 | Dewi | enouf: I'm just not sure when this hardware scan takes place |
| 06:27.38 | Dewi | enouf: and whether it writes to /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
| 06:27.43 | pgpkeys | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will update your core packages with whatever the repository has for you, depending on your version. as for the kernel, it will also be updated PROVIDED that the kernel was one of the distribution packages that WAS upgraded |
| 06:27.53 | Dewi | enouf: or whether it reads from that, and then the hardware scan augments the configuration further from that? |
| 06:28.14 | enouf | but not the way you think, that's why you need something like update-initramfs (create a new one with LVM support) or mkinitramfs{-kpkg} the kpkg one being for building against a make-kpkg .deb that you didn't use the --initrd option for, IINM |
| 06:28.41 | enouf | Dewi: no, you edit /etc/initramfs-tools/* to your liking |
| 06:28.57 | Dewi | enouf: so when does the hardware scan happen and what does it do? |
| 06:29.09 | Dewi | enouf: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg32309.html |
| 06:29.22 | Dewi | enouf: look at that bug, it's interesting, but at what stage does that stuff even happen? |
| 06:29.54 | enouf | i know of no hardware scan - again, it depends if you tell it to build a NEW one or to Update against an existing one |
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| 06:30.21 | Dewi | enouf: well, building a new one omitted /lib/modules from the RD |
| 06:30.47 | Dewi | (more accurately, it omitted /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel |
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| 06:32.02 | enouf | my initrd is structured as such /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/ |
| 06:32.35 | Dewi | yeah, when I run update-initramfs and tell it to create a new initrd, it doesn't make that directory at all |
| 06:32.50 | enouf | Dewi: did you add to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? |
| 06:32.55 | enouf | prior? |
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| 06:33.29 | Dewi | no, it seems like a good idea to try to generate the normal initrd before I strike out and try to build a different one |
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| 06:33.36 | Dewi | because then I have a baseline |
| 06:34.01 | enouf | er .. what's the command exactly you're using? |
| 06:34.19 | Dewi | $ update-initramfs -k 2.6.18-6-686 -c -v -b /tmp/newinitrd/ |
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| 06:34.36 | Dewi | it does end by complaining about '/usr/sbin/update-initramfs: line 228: /var/lib/initramfs-tools/2.6.18-6-686: Permission denied |
| 06:35.06 | Dewi | ... because I don't dare run these things as root, but that's after cpio creation, so I don't think it would be affecting the image |
| 06:35.22 | enouf | Dewi: do you have modules in /etc/modules? |
| 06:35.49 | Dewi | enouf: only 6 |
| 06:36.27 | Dewi | enouf: ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic psmouse sd_mod button |
| 06:36.44 | Dewi | enouf: my real initrd has hundreds in there |
| 06:37.00 | Dewi | (not in /etc/modules, but in the lib directory) |
| 06:37.21 | enouf | Dewi: try the fakeroot command |
| 06:37.39 | Dewi | enouf: what does that really do? |
| 06:37.46 | Dewi | enouf: some kind of chroot? |
| 06:37.59 | enouf | Notice that inside the fake root environment file manipu- |
| 06:37.59 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.02 | Dewi | enouf: not in this case, permission denied still |
| 06:39.25 | enouf | Dewi: and try mkinitramfs -o ~/tmp/initramfs-$(uname -r) |
| 06:39.47 | enouf | Dewi: you do fakeroot ; command |
| 06:39.57 | Dewi | oh |
| 06:40.22 | enouf | do a whoami to verify you're (emulating) root |
| 06:40.41 | Dewi | enouf: still no |
| 06:40.45 | enouf | man page says it all |
| 06:40.57 | enouf | ok, then try mkinitramfs |
| 06:41.27 | enouf | it's man page specifically mentions all those /etc/initramfs-tools/files |
| 06:41.35 | enouf | and dirs |
| 06:41.51 | Dewi | enouf: I don't have that |
| 06:42.11 | Dewi | oh wait I do |
| 06:42.14 | Dewi | I just broke my paths |
| 06:42.18 | enouf | initramfs-tools: /usr/sbin/mkinitramf |
| 06:42.23 | enouf | we did this before |
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| 06:45.38 | Dewi | enouf: did the same thing as update-initramfs -k 2.6.18-6-686 -c -v -b /tmp/newinitrd/ |
| 06:46.25 | enouf | Dewi: do me one favor, i doubt it, but put the -c before the -k .. i know, i know |
| 06:47.26 | jim | Dewi: I never found out... but I do know that there are settings for the thing that builds the initrd, that cause the initrd to be build with a few, some or all modules |
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| 06:48.57 | icesword | which company offer commercial support for debian? |
| 06:50.17 | jim | there should be a list on the website |
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| 06:50.36 | icesword | k |
| 06:51.34 | enouf | $ mkdir ~/tmp ; /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs -o ~/tmp/initramfs-$(uname -r) ; let's see what happens |
| 06:51.36 | DawnLight | Hello. how can i watch hard-disk drive operations in real time? |
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| 06:51.58 | enouf | i'm getting mdadm warnings O_o |
| 06:52.02 | jim | DawnLight: get a drive with a clear panel? |
| 06:52.19 | DawnLight | thats one option |
| 06:52.22 | enouf | !beer jim |
| 06:52.42 | DawnLight | a description of the opoerations will suffice |
| 06:52.51 | enouf | DawnLight: tranferring files? |
| 06:53.13 | DawnLight | all read/writes |
| 06:53.14 | enouf | DawnLight: try "watch df -h" and notice it change? |
| 06:53.15 | jim | "move arm... NO NOT THAT FAR, you just crashed me!" |
| 06:53.44 | DawnLight | a head crash? |
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| 06:55.10 | liable | echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 06:55.20 | liable | tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 06:56.01 | DawnLight | i want an active summary of all disk operations. which programs does what where |
| 06:56.25 | enouf | Dewi: i just did all the steps |
| 06:56.31 | enouf | Dewi: all my modules are there |
| 06:56.36 | Dewi | enouf: how big is the image? |
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| 06:56.46 | DawnLight | something full-screen text-mode like ncurses |
| 06:56.47 | jim | I wonder if you could write a driver that goes between the actual driver and the kernel |
| 06:56.55 | enouf | Dewi: a tad bigger, one sec |
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| 06:57.18 | Dewi | enouf: for me the default one is 5MB, the one I build is only 2.3MB |
| 06:57.20 | enouf | $ ls -l /home/stompthebozo/tmp/initramfs-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 06:57.20 | enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 stompthebozo stompthebozo 5419600 2008-03-15 02:50 /home/stompthebozo/tmp/initramfs-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 06:57.24 | Dewi | enouf: could you give me a pastebin of your steps? |
| 06:57.29 | enouf | that's the one i just made |
| 06:57.34 | Dewi | enouf: that looks good |
| 06:57.46 | enouf | here's my orig; |
| 06:57.47 | enouf | $ ls -l /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 06:57.47 | enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5153064 2007-05-27 20:40 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 06:58.36 | enouf | Dewi: sure , all i did was mkdir ~/tmp ; /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs -o ~/tmp/initramfs-$(uname -r) |
| 06:59.02 | enouf | without that mkdir, i got error; touch: cannot touch `/home/stompthebozo/tmp/initramfs-2.6.16-2-686': No such file or directory |
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| 07:00.26 | Dewi | enouf: grep ^MODULES /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ? |
| 07:00.43 | enouf | most |
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| 07:00.51 | Dewi | enouf: me too... but my initrds are tiny |
| 07:00.57 | enouf | MODULES=most |
| 07:01.00 | Dewi | enouf: aah I give up. This so is not worth it |
| 07:01.11 | Dewi | enouf: a normal root for me, I think |
| 07:01.23 | Dewi | enouf: I just hope I can install grub okay |
| 07:01.24 | jim | can't you do MODULES=all |
| 07:01.25 | torrr | anyone know if the dovecot package contain sieve? |
| 07:01.37 | enouf | see if your /usr/share/initranfs-tools/* also jives |
| 07:01.42 | hoxu | ugh, there still isn't a clean "debian way" of doing 6to4 when using DHCP? |
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| 07:02.32 | jim | hoxu: sometimes a debian way isn't needed (actually, it never is: they make it to support what they do) |
| 07:03.20 | DawnLight | who is they? |
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| 07:04.25 | Dewi | enouf: something must be sub-optimal about my configuration somewhere... this was originally a sarge system, so it's been through a lot of iterations of boot-time changes |
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| 07:04.30 | jim | it's they! it's they! who makes the debian way? |
| 07:04.44 | enouf | Dewi: heh, mine too :-P |
| 07:04.51 | Dewi | enouf: argh! shut up! |
| 07:05.01 | enouf | O_o |
| 07:05.18 | Dewi | enouf: so how come yours works normally and mine doesn't? |
| 07:05.22 | Dewi | enouf: SO annoying :) |
| 07:05.39 | enouf | i know |
| 07:06.08 | Dewi | enouf: I'm really surprised how little information seems to be out there for this stuff. I kind of thought this was the kind of thing only losers like me found difficult |
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| 07:06.18 | hoxu | jim, erhm, right... still wondering if people have to script some custom exit hooks for dhclient or if no one just uses IPv6... I think people would use it more if it was easier :p |
| 07:06.20 | Dewi | enouf: but all I can find are mysterious scribbled notes |
| 07:06.20 | enouf | Dewi: custom built kernel? make-kpkg? or installed with apt-get install linux-image-version ? |
| 07:06.32 | Dewi | enouf: never built a kernel in my life |
| 07:06.42 | enouf | Dewi: yeh, it's black magic |
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| 07:06.56 | enouf | !8ball initramfs-tools |
| 07:06.57 | dpkg | I'm sure of it. |
| 07:07.05 | Dewi | enouf: bah. LVM be damned. I'll wait for zfs :) |
| 07:07.10 | enouf | haha |
| 07:07.45 | rrbox | some1 know where the kernel docs are in debian ? |
| 07:07.52 | jim | hoxu: perhaps if you were to state what you're after specifically, that would be helpful... and maybe not depend on any particular way |
| 07:08.05 | enouf | rrbox: linux-doc pkg? |
| 07:08.11 | maligor | tuv, it works now? |
| 07:08.24 | tuv | maligor, yes it sure does. with grub2 only though |
| 07:08.25 | enouf | !info linux-doc etch |
| 07:08.32 | rrbox | not sure, enouf where all the documentation about all the drivers are |
| 07:08.38 | maligor | tuv, yeah, but last time I tried maybe a month ago, it was still broken |
| 07:08.38 | Dewi | enouf: thanks for all your help, man |
| 07:08.50 | enouf | Dewi: np ;-) |
| 07:08.52 | Dewi | enouf: valiant work and all that |
| 07:08.52 | tuv | maligor, it's working here |
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| 07:09.01 | maligor | I'll have to try it again then |
| 07:09.27 | hoxu | jim, IPv6 6to4 as instructed on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 - but with dynamic IP you probably need to twiddle with dhclient exit hooks, just wondering why/if there isn't any easier way... |
| 07:09.36 | enouf | rrbox: what drivers? |
| 07:09.52 | enouf | rrbox: install the soure - comes woth /Documentation |
| 07:09.53 | rrbox | bluetooth |
| 07:09.59 | enouf | rrbox: and source code |
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| 07:10.32 | Dewi | enouf: presumably /home in LVM will not be nearly as troublesome, right? |
| 07:10.50 | enouf | linux-doc-2.6.18 - Linux kernel specific documentation for version 2.6.18 |
| 07:11.02 | enouf | Dewi: i hope not ;-) |
| 07:11.04 | Dewi | enouf: nah, scratch that |
| 07:11.06 | jim | hoxu: what if you were to restate your request here, in its complete form (not to me specifically, I'm not much familiar with ipv6, but to the whole channel) |
| 07:11.24 | Dewi | enouf: do you think ext3fs would notice a problem if I put a filesys in a partition that's bigger than it? |
| 07:11.35 | Dewi | enouf: presumably this has to happen at some point to run the resize routine anyway... right? |
| 07:11.38 | enouf | er, yes ;-) |
| 07:12.11 | Dewi | urgh... ignore me. I'll just copy /home with tar |
| 07:12.15 | enouf | well, oh wait, no, make partition bigger then resize2fs it or extresizefs |
| 07:12.31 | Dewi | inplace resizing /home is a waste of time, it's just user files |
| 07:12.34 | enouf | what's bigger than what? |
| 07:12.44 | Dewi | enouf: oh, I'm just moving / and /home to a bigger disk |
| 07:12.54 | enouf | i see, rsync ;-) |
| 07:13.13 | jim | hoxu: (and note these adjustments you're making to your communication... if you do make a complete request of the whole of what you want here in a form that most here will understand, you have that many more people that could respond) |
| 07:13.15 | Dewi | enouf: and I will keep / the same size and just dd it, but copy /home filewise with rsync or tar |
| 07:13.26 | enouf | righto |
| 07:13.31 | hoxu | jim, I did, on the first line, and I'm figuring there really isn't any other way :p |
| 07:15.04 | enouf | ipv6 is like web 2.0 .. everyone wants to use just cause it's there O_o |
| 07:15.38 | maligor | ipv6 is more like: "What? They're giving 64bit subnets to private people?" |
| 07:15.50 | jim | well I hear that you're saying that... and I have another viewpoint on that... "<hoxu> ugh, there still isn't a clean "debian way" of doing 6to4 when using DHCP?" was your initial line as far as I can tell |
| 07:15.56 | enouf | maligor: need to give our nanbots an ip addy ;-) |
| 07:16.01 | enouf | er nanobots |
| 07:16.11 | jim | nannybot! |
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| 07:16.23 | enouf | bootable nanny? |
| 07:16.31 | hoxu | jim, I could've compressed it down to "6to4 + DHCP + debian way?" :p |
| 07:16.36 | enouf | fire that gal up ;-) |
| 07:17.18 | enouf | !pal hoxu |
| 07:17.40 | hoxu | ö.Ô' |
| 07:17.51 | jim | hoxu: if you did that it wouldn't have the words "ugh" and "clean" |
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| 07:18.12 | jim | that could have made others hear it more clearly and not be motivated to ignore it |
| 07:18.33 | hoxu | right, thanks for pointing me to the right way. |
| 07:18.38 | hoxu | not! |
| 07:18.52 | jim | but I'm not sure it's a complete clear statement of what YOU want SPECIFICALLY |
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| 07:19.23 | jim | as opposed to a judgement on some debian maint who "should have done it right" |
| 07:19.29 | hoxu | !turday |
| 07:19.29 | dpkg | You are in a room crowded with gleeful lunatics and frustrated long-bearded fellows. You can see the <saturday> factoid hanging on the wall and <sunday> is lurking right around the corner. Exits: </part>, </quit> |
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| 07:19.59 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys. I'm just wondering is it possible to install a base-system with the GUI installer. Or will gui-installer install GNOME every time? It's been a while since I've used it |
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| 07:20.16 | enouf | !kramer |
| 07:20.21 | jim | hoxu: do you want to judge, or do you want to get some help :) |
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| 07:20.49 | jim | having both is possible, but I think that realm is frought with resistance |
| 07:20.54 | enouf | ArtVandalae: no, installgui or expertgui for more fine tuning |
| 07:21.18 | enouf | ArtVandalae: just deselect any tasksel features when they appear |
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| 07:21.55 | hoxu | jim, the apparent quietness was all the answer I needed :P |
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| 07:22.04 | enouf | ArtVandalae: if you don't know what a base-install is precisely, you might end up with on;y a shell - so, better like it |
| 07:22.18 | ArtVandalae | yep, a shell is what I'm looking for |
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| 07:23.52 | ArtVandalae | enouf, so just to confirm. "installgui" will install GNOME for me, no questions asked. but I can override it by using the "expertgui" |
| 07:24.12 | enouf | ArtVandalae: what? |
| 07:25.04 | ArtVandalae | Sorry, should be more specific. Using the "installgui" boot parameter will give me a GUI installer, but it will not give me any options to install a base-system (i.e. select nothing in tasksel)? |
| 07:25.08 | enouf | perhaps, install{gui} will make "Standard" not deselectable, but i forget offhand really - been a while see ig |
| 07:25.12 | enouf | !ig |
| 07:25.13 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 07:25.21 | ArtVandalae | cheers |
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| 07:34.08 | Sherl0ck | hey, when I apt-get a package, who provides/pays/donates that bandwidth? |
| 07:34.32 | kgoetz | Sherl0ck: different mirrors donate bandwidth |
| 07:35.28 | Sherl0ck | i was thinking couldnt a DDOS attack be run against repositorys pretty easily, crippling them? |
| 07:35.47 | Sherl0ck | is there protection for that? |
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| 07:38.27 | Dewi | Sherl0ck: if that happens just choose a different mirror |
| 07:38.34 | Dewi | Sherl0ck: there are quite a lot of them |
| 07:39.14 | Sherl0ck | just speaking in theory |
| 07:39.17 | Dewi | Sherl0ck: it would take a hell of a lot to take down even one of them; they tend to be on well-resourced fileservers |
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| 07:39.58 | Sherl0ck | even when fresh releases come out, like new ubuntu - they do handle it ok |
| 07:40.24 | Dewi | Sherl0ck: I can remember ubuntu and redhat both having bandwidth problems |
| 07:40.36 | Dewi | Sherl0ck: which is one of the reasons ubuntu heavily pushes bittorrent |
| 07:41.07 | Sherl0ck | a apt-get that runs on bittorrent |
| 07:41.08 | Sherl0ck | intresting |
| 07:41.09 | Sherl0ck | idea |
| 07:41.28 | Dewi | I don't mean for the apt repos... I mean those massive initial ISOs |
| 07:41.38 | Dewi | but that would be interesting... |
| 07:41.59 | Coweater | there is debtorrent |
| 07:42.33 | Sherl0ck | awesome |
| 07:42.43 | Sherl0ck | beat me to creating it =D |
| 07:44.33 | Sherl0ck | how can i download this svn link |
| 07:44.33 | Sherl0ck | svn://svn.debian.org/debtorrent/debtorrent/trunk |
| 07:45.30 | liable | svn co svn.link |
| 07:46.49 | Sherl0ck | thx |
| 07:49.01 | Sherl0ck | anyone intrested |
| 07:49.01 | Sherl0ck | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.09 | Sherl0ck | has deb for debtorrent =D |
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| 08:13.58 | Penix | !crickets |
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| 08:15.38 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 08:16.21 | Mazingaro | Please I'm running lenny and I'd like to use adept, but apt-get install adept give me: Package adept is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 08:16.21 | Mazingaro | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 08:16.21 | Mazingaro | is only available from another source |
| 08:16.23 | Mazingaro | et: Package adept has no installation candidate |
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| 08:16.43 | Mazingaro | uh sorry |
| 08:17.21 | aleksanteri | adept is kubuntu's package |
| 08:17.46 | liable | not even in sid |
| 08:17.51 | aleksanteri | it's a part of kubuntu's desktop :) |
| 08:18.50 | et | Mazingaro: Package adept has no installation candidate |
| 08:19.11 | aleksanteri | i suggest you try to gain the source code somehow (maybe looking at http://packages.ubuntu.org/ could help?) |
| 08:19.37 | aleksanteri | http://packages.ubuntu.com * |
| 08:19.40 | Mazingaro | no thanks I'd like to use only debian packages |
| 08:19.56 | aleksanteri | then no adept for you |
| 08:20.03 | Mazingaro | ok |
| 08:20.08 | Mazingaro | I will survive |
| 08:20.52 | Mazingaro | but it was before in debian repository |
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| 08:21.05 | Mazingaro | 'na cipparella |
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| 08:22.27 | enouf | !why is adept not in lenny |
| 08:22.27 | dpkg | enouf: what are you talking about? |
| 08:22.35 | enouf | !why is adept not in testing |
| 08:22.36 | dpkg | adept is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=adept |
| 08:22.39 | Penix | seems to be in experimental |
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| 08:22.51 | Penix | some of it, anyway... |
| 08:23.02 | enouf | Penix: pieces only? ;-) |
| 08:23.08 | Penix | probably a good thing |
| 08:23.10 | liable | what is it anyway? |
| 08:23.21 | enouf | no idea |
| 08:23.26 | Penix | some sort of synaptic-like app for KDE |
| 08:23.34 | Penix | afaict |
| 08:23.47 | distatica- | I would like to setup my debian machine at home so that I can connect over an encrypted connection to it from a wifi hotspot, and then use my local internet (ie, web browsing, irc, instant messengers, etc) over this tunnel. What is the best route to do something like this? Is this a VPN? |
| 08:23.49 | Mazingaro | Penix: apt-get install vaseline |
| 08:23.51 | enouf | kde already has kpackage manager though |
| 08:24.08 | Mazingaro | kde4 is a mess |
| 08:24.10 | Penix | Mazingaro: you're sooo original |
| 08:24.38 | Penix | Mazingaro: who said anything about 4.x? |
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| 08:25.41 | Mazingaro | I tried it yesterday on lenny |
| 08:27.07 | Penix | distatica-: depends on the situation I guess. are you talking about some sort of internet cafe style access? |
| 08:27.21 | Penix | distatica-: as in, connect to your home box from a cafe |
| 08:27.50 | jim | distatica-: do you have a static IP? |
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| 08:28.32 | jim | if not, I guess you could do the dyn dns thing |
| 08:29.06 | distatica- | Penix yes |
| 08:29.14 | distatica- | jim: no, but it's not very often it changes |
| 08:29.20 | distatica- | and yeah, dyn dns |
| 08:29.38 | Penix | I wouldn't think an internet cafe or something similar would allow you to configure a vpn connection on their systems.... |
| 08:29.44 | jim | well if you have that all working I guess you can find your home machine thru that name |
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| 08:31.10 | Penix | distatica-: if you want to actually see *your* desktop infront of you and use it like at home, something like vnc would be what you want |
| 08:31.22 | Penix | distatica-: but you can ssh for more basic tasks |
| 08:31.25 | distatica- | I believe I can ssh out, I don't think it's restricted to http(s) only. I would just do it with ssh tunneling, but it's my impression that this would only work for services being hosted on the server itself. |
| 08:31.30 | jim | that would be incredibly slow tho |
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| 08:31.44 | Penix | vnc? yes, it would |
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| 08:31.47 | Penix | be |
| 08:31.56 | distatica- | Penix: I don't want to see it, I just want every connection I make from the laptop to be sent over that encrypted tunnel. |
| 08:32.10 | distatica- | so I can still use my irc client, but rather than directly connecting it goes through the tunnel |
| 08:32.27 | jim | jelly-home: and that would be because? |
| 08:32.51 | distatica- | defintely don't want vnc, my home computer is so much slower than my laptop |
| 08:32.56 | distatica- | evne without network lg |
| 08:32.57 | distatica- | lag* |
| 08:33.06 | Penix | distatica-: oh. ok. so, it's *your* system on a public hotspot? |
| 08:33.13 | jelly-home | jim: are you why or how? |
| 08:33.16 | Penix | not a public terminal? |
| 08:33.17 | jelly-home | asking* |
| 08:33.33 | jim | oh, I guess how :) |
| 08:33.40 | distatica- | yep my laptop, on a internet cafe hotspot. And I would like connections my laptop makes to connect to my home connection, via encryption, somehow. |
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| 08:33.50 | distatica- | I figured this would be vpn, but I can't tell from what I'm reading |
| 08:34.25 | distatica- | the laptop is xp for the record. And I see it has an option to connect to a vpn, there are apparently paid services for exactly this. I would just like to do whatever they do. |
| 08:34.29 | jelly-home | jim: I guess a combination of ssh -C and a decent vnc client and server |
| 08:34.48 | jim | and I'm guessing a pretty decent connection as well? |
| 08:35.04 | Penix | distatica-: sounds like a vpn might be what you want |
| 08:35.08 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 08:35.09 | distatica- | I was thinking I could just setup openvpn on my server, forward the ports through the router, tell xp to connect to the vpn, and then use it. But I'm not sure it works that way. |
| 08:35.23 | jelly-home | jim: if 1024/192 kbps is decent... |
| 08:35.29 | distatica- | Penix: ok thanks, I just wanted to make sure I was chasing down the right thing |
| 08:35.30 | Penix | distatica-: I've never used a VPN, but afaik that scenario should be possible |
| 08:35.59 | jelly-home | jim: remote desktop works much better, though |
| 08:36.16 | jim | so that's about 110k bytes/sec down and 19.2k up? |
| 08:36.29 | Penix | distatica-: but, yeah, with a vpn, it should seem like your xp box is on your local network, just over a remote connection |
| 08:37.03 | distatica- | thats' what I was thinking, the question is, does that mean it can access the home network, or the home network AND the home internet |
| 08:37.16 | distatica- | I don't think I have the energy to attempt setting it up tonight, just fishing for tips |
| 08:37.16 | jelly-home | jim: yes |
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| 08:37.46 | Penix | distatica-: it means its a normal client on your home network. if your router/firewall allows clients on your network to access the internet, the xp vpn client should be able to as well |
| 08:38.12 | distatica- | hmmm, definitely sounds like it should be what I'm after then, thanks |
| 08:38.17 | cTATUK | What's the easiest way to have a certain command be executed at a certain time? |
| 08:38.22 | Penix | cTATUK: man at |
| 08:39.07 | cTATUK | does it use the ISO time format? |
| 08:39.32 | Penix | cTATUK: if you read the manual, you'll find out |
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| 08:45.17 | assasukasse | yawn |
| 08:45.30 | jim | spawn |
| 08:45.53 | jim | it's the prelude to the afternoon of the fawn! |
| 08:47.00 | Penix | get off my lawn |
| 08:47.44 | jim | or we'll call the guys from lawn order |
| 08:47.54 | petemc | no, YOU shut up |
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| 08:48.27 | lindenle | anyone know a cp command that will copy a file but not overwrite a local one with same name? (like what wget does?) |
| 08:48.31 | petemc | jim: that wasnt for you btw |
| 08:48.42 | petemc | or Penix for that matter |
| 08:48.46 | Penix | give me my jacket back! |
| 08:49.05 | petemc | your eight ball jacket? |
| 08:49.06 | RvGaTe | #ubuntu hurts my eyes in the morning :S |
| 08:49.11 | jim | jack backet! |
| 08:49.51 | RvGaTe | good morning everyone |
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| 08:51.43 | jim | lindenle: perhaps that's listed in man cp? if not, you could write a script that tests for the existance of the file before writing it |
| 08:52.39 | lindenle | jim: not in the man, thought there might be a nice widget... |
| 08:52.40 | jim | oh damn, he left... I was gonna say no shit Sherl0ck |
| 08:52.50 | jim | widget? |
| 08:53.18 | lindenle | jim: some little command that does just what I want |
| 08:53.21 | jim | yes, that widget is called the shell, you can build new commands in it |
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| 08:54.06 | jim | it's a 20 second script |
| 08:54.21 | lindenle | ok ok |
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| 08:55.49 | hegdaizis | Is it FUN to be a MIDGET? |
| 08:56.08 | lindenle | yup 20 sec |
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| 08:56.18 | Penix | hegdaizis: shite yes |
| 08:56.19 | hegdaizis | I smell like a wet reducing clinic on Columbus Day! |
| 08:56.49 | liable | so you're drunk? |
| 08:57.00 | jim | or zippyizing |
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| 08:59.54 | hegdaizis | I will establish the first SHOPPING MALL in NUTLEY, New Jersey... |
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| 09:00.04 | Penix | !gamp hegdaizis |
| 09:00.05 | hegdaizis | I have a VISION! It's a RANCID double-FISHWICH on an ENRICHED BUN!! |
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| 09:01.12 | wols | anyone else got spammed by mackulkinn in here? |
| 09:01.19 | Penix | wols: yeah |
| 09:01.19 | wols | 17min ago |
| 09:02.15 | jim | hegdaizis, inviting you to notice that the fortune database comes in a debian package... it could be that more than one person has it installed |
| 09:02.16 | hegdaizis | It's the RINSE CYCLE!! They've ALL IGNORED the RINSE CYCLE!! |
| 09:02.32 | Penix | hmm. bit too quick for my liking... |
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| 09:03.36 | petemc | slow and easy wins the game |
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| 09:03.54 | Penix | no, YOU can buy it this time |
| 09:04.07 | Intern[a]t | so anyone here use courier and get the crapload of "malloc errors" when portmap/famd ? |
| 09:04.21 | Intern[a]t | when portmap/famd fail* |
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| 09:04.47 | petemc | whats portmap got to do with courier? |
| 09:06.00 | Intern[a]t | from what i can make of it. courier registers with portmap to use famd? or something simular |
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| 09:06.09 | izishegda | Is the EIGHTIES when they had ART DECO and GERALD McBOING-BOING lunch boxes?? |
| 09:06.22 | Intern[a]t | anywho theres posts that google returns about it, but not really a solution |
| 09:06.53 | eeccho | Intern[a]t, better use dovecot |
| 09:06.54 | jim | izishegda: bot? |
| 09:06.54 | izishegda | I will establish the first SHOPPING MALL in NUTLEY, New Jersey... |
| 09:07.01 | jim | bot. |
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| 09:07.09 | Penix | didn't respond to the same thing in a private |
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| 09:07.20 | Penix | silly thing |
| 09:07.52 | jim | it's a fortune spam bot, the second one in a few secs |
| 09:08.01 | Penix | same IP |
| 09:08.34 | Intern[a]t | yeah |
| 09:08.46 | Intern[a]t | i dont want to reconfigure everythting to dovecot |
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| 09:09.08 | Penix | heh |
| 09:09.43 | eeccho | Intern[a]t, well, errors regarding malloc usually means software is broken |
| 09:09.47 | eeccho | mean* |
| 09:10.01 | petemc | courier to dovecot migration is well documented |
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| 09:10.08 | jim | or that there's not enough ram to run it |
| 09:10.25 | petemc | i moved a few thousand mailboxes from vmpop3d, which was hard work |
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| 09:10.55 | wols | jim: then ther would be OOM errors |
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| 09:11.28 | jim | wouldn't those be thrown from malloc? |
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| 09:11.41 | wols | no |
| 09:12.00 | wols | you get them by the kernel and the kernel will immediately terminate a program to free some memory |
| 09:12.09 | eeccho | jim, it's kernel which reports about that |
| 09:12.11 | wols | you'd notice if courier suddnely stops |
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| 09:15.51 | sussudio | some pakistani asshole is spamming me in PM |
| 09:16.39 | geggam | u ever sleep wols ? |
| 09:16.54 | Eulex | sussudio, I suggest an /ignore |
| 09:16.55 | Supaplex | geggam: nawe, not when it's in $PATH ;) |
| 09:17.16 | Penix | !sing sussudio |
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| 09:18.16 | sussudio | ... |
| 09:18.22 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 09:18.28 | Supaplex | !factinfo sussudio |
| 09:18.28 | dpkg | sussudio -- created by sussudio <Suss@81.68.134.159> at Sun May 25 23:42:33 2003 (1755 days); it has been requested 102 times, last by flokuehn_ at Wed Mar 5 12:15:09 2008; it has been locked by sussudio. |
| 09:18.43 | Penix | Supaplex: sshh. you don't question it |
| 09:18.55 | Supaplex | i dun ? it. I <3 it. |
| 09:19.00 | beardy | sussudio! |
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| 09:19.32 | Supaplex | Penix: anyway, happy unbirthday. :) |
| 09:19.52 | Intern[a]t | yeah its more i use courier with massive sql queries and stuff for my hosting solution |
| 09:19.55 | Penix | get me some tea! |
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| 09:31.19 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:31.19 | dpkg | <Slayer_> i am at a screen with tyler@tyler-mac:~$ <Slayer_> i just rebooted <Slayer_> i need to get linux to actually come up |
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| 09:39.23 | sas67 | Hi again |
| 09:41.02 | Ace2016 | Hi |
| 09:41.15 | sas67 | Hi ace |
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| 09:52.19 | jones- | Hi. |
| 09:52.25 | jones- | What to do when my local debian mirror is down? |
| 09:52.41 | RvGaTe | change mirror.. |
| 09:52.45 | jones- | eh :) |
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| 09:53.15 | RvGaTe | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:53.43 | jones- | yeah I know, I was wondering if there was a switch to change that just for one time when apt-getting something |
| 09:54.25 | RvGaTe | yeah, just add some new mirror... comment out the one that is down... apt-get update... do your stuff... and change it back when the old mirror is back up |
| 09:54.37 | jones- | yep, done |
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| 09:54.49 | RvGaTe | problem solved :P |
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| 10:06.18 | ShiftOnYou | hey all, how can i kill a proccess if kill -KILL doesnt work? |
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| 10:06.24 | ShiftOnYou | kill -9 also doenst work :( |
| 10:06.32 | Ace2016 | try killall -9 |
| 10:06.41 | Ace2016 | e.g killall -9 opera |
| 10:06.46 | ShiftOnYou | ok |
| 10:06.49 | Ace2016 | thats my most used killall command |
| 10:07.11 | ShiftOnYou | no proccess killed |
| 10:07.55 | ShiftOnYou | its a freezed mke2fs proccess ... can i kill it somehow else? |
| 10:08.04 | Ace2016 | in kde? |
| 10:08.06 | techouse | i have a small issue regarding tab ending in gnome - whenever i wanna tab end anything else except file locations or the 1st word of a command (i.e. sudo) it doesn't work; now in kde it worked perfectyl, so i assume i'm missing a package.. I tried installing dsaher but it's still the same :( any help? |
| 10:08.08 | ShiftOnYou | no |
| 10:08.24 | techouse | dasher* |
| 10:08.26 | ShiftOnYou | over shell |
| 10:09.13 | techouse | Ace2016: kcop, i think |
| 10:09.46 | Eulex | how do I use glitz and its glx backend with cairo to speed up rendering of gtk applications? (when using a cairo-based gtk2 theme) |
| 10:09.51 | Eulex | +engine |
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| 10:10.25 | Ace2016 | ShiftOnYou: run top, then find the pid of the process and type for example kill 10785, where 10785 is the pid of the process |
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| 10:10.46 | ShiftOnYou | i know ... and i did... but doesnt work |
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| 10:11.32 | Ace2016 | Eulex: you could try running xgl |
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| 10:11.43 | ShiftOnYou | so its pid 2388 -> killall -KILL 2388 -> no change :( |
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| 10:12.10 | Eulex | Ace2016, Xgl is a hack and is deprecated. |
| 10:12.15 | techouse | ShiftOnYou: no, just kill 2388 |
| 10:12.25 | havocologe | what is a good console mail reader? need something to read the system generated messages. |
| 10:12.27 | techouse | try using sudo with it :) |
| 10:12.28 | ShiftOnYou | no change |
| 10:12.37 | Ace2016 | not killall -KILL, just this: ace@Linux:~$ kill 10785 |
| 10:12.51 | wols | havocologe: mutt ? |
| 10:12.59 | Ace2016 | me still uses Xgl |
| 10:13.01 | ShiftOnYou | still doesnt wokr.. did it a few times |
| 10:13.04 | havocologe | wols i do not no any:( |
| 10:13.05 | techouse | havocologe: exim4 |
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| 10:13.25 | wols | techouse: exim4 is a mailrader? |
| 10:13.27 | Ace2016 | debian sid + year old xgl from ubuntu, but its never broken and works flawlessly |
| 10:13.37 | Eulex | Ace2016, haven't got much to do with whether gtk2 rendering is accelerated either. |
| 10:13.38 | techouse | uh...shit....i screwed up :D |
| 10:14.00 | ShiftOnYou | wols do you know a method to kill a proccess if kill -KILL doesnt work? |
| 10:14.00 | techouse | Ace2016: where did you get the xgl package? ubuntu packages? |
| 10:14.04 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 10:14.10 | techouse | me2 |
| 10:14.11 | techouse | :D |
| 10:14.17 | wols | ShiftOnYou: kill -9 usually |
| 10:14.27 | ShiftOnYou | doesnt work :( |
| 10:14.28 | wols | but until you tells us more it's hard to help you |
| 10:14.43 | techouse | ShiftOnYou: did you try as root? |
| 10:15.01 | ShiftOnYou | yes |
| 10:15.08 | techouse | :( |
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| 10:15.20 | ShiftOnYou | i started mke2fs ... but it freezed ... now i want to kill it ... but no chance ... |
| 10:15.38 | techouse | well...if nothing works just use sudo reboot xD |
| 10:15.45 | wols | what's the PID of the process and what is your commandline to kill it? |
| 10:15.53 | wols | und what are the processflags it currently has set? |
| 10:15.58 | ShiftOnYou | 2388 |
| 10:16.06 | ShiftOnYou | kill -9 2388 |
| 10:16.25 | ShiftOnYou | how can i see proccess flag? |
| 10:16.36 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.39 | techouse | Ace2016: do you use the gutsy or the hardy XGL? |
| 10:16.39 | Ace2016 | that works too |
| 10:16.46 | Ace2016 | nope older |
| 10:16.58 | techouse | older? |
| 10:17.01 | techouse | wow |
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| 10:17.36 | techouse | did anyone read my tab ending problem? :P |
| 10:17.44 | wols | ShiftOnYou: ps aux |
| 10:17.57 | ShiftOnYou | ok... |
| 10:18.21 | ShiftOnYou | wols under stat? -> D |
| 10:18.30 | Ace2016 | Xgl: cvs_060729 and Xserver-Xgl: 7.2.0.git.20070224-0ubuntu3 yup, its old, but it strangely works so well in sid |
| 10:18.57 | wols | ShiftOnYou: man ps |
| 10:20.13 | ShiftOnYou | so what does D mean ... i dont understand :/ can you explain it me in german? |
| 10:20.49 | ShiftOnYou | ok, did reboot ^^ |
| 10:20.52 | techouse | Ace2016: i use this xserver-xgl (1:1.1.99.1~git20070727-0ubuntu3) |
| 10:21.32 | Ace2016 | techouse: is it stable? |
| 10:21.38 | techouse | yep |
| 10:21.50 | techouse | there's only 1 issue |
| 10:21.59 | Ace2016 | oh? |
| 10:22.00 | techouse | you can't restart X |
| 10:22.02 | techouse | :P |
| 10:22.05 | Ace2016 | huh? |
| 10:22.11 | techouse | it just freezes the screen |
| 10:22.20 | Ace2016 | you disabled ctrl+alt+backscape? |
| 10:22.24 | techouse | no |
| 10:22.35 | Ace2016 | like pressing ctrl+n at the login? |
| 10:22.49 | techouse | didn't try that |
| 10:23.20 | techouse | but alt+ctrl+f1 and /etc/init.d/gdm stop & start can "fix" it |
| 10:23.25 | Ace2016 | either ctrl+n or alt+n, its in kdm's menu to jump to the console |
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| 10:23.49 | techouse | well....alt+ctrl+f1 works so i guess that would too |
| 10:24.18 | ShiftOnYou | whats wrong if mkfs freezes all the time @ ~180/xxxx ??? |
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| 10:24.45 | vaq | Hello, I just installed php4 from the debian apt-get mirrors, the debian package got the xmlrpc extension in it, how do i turn it off in PHP ? |
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| 10:25.12 | techouse | lol |
| 10:25.13 | Ace2016 | hard drive failure/corruption? vm running out of hard disk space? |
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| 10:25.46 | techouse | with the sid kernel some of my laptop's special buttons & fn+buttons are working!!! |
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| 10:25.58 | wols | vaq: if it's compiled in, you need to recompile I guess |
| 10:26.08 | vaq | :( |
| 10:26.09 | wols | vaq: but why php4. just note that php4 is dead. EOL |
| 10:26.44 | techouse | Ace2016: i'll install the hardy package |
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| 10:26.56 | techouse | xserver-xgl_1.1.99.1~git20080115-0ubuntu1_i386 |
| 10:27.02 | Ace2016 | hardy has an xgl package? |
| 10:27.06 | techouse | yep |
| 10:27.17 | Ace2016 | hm... i hope it doesn't have install scripts that mess with the system like gutsy's one |
| 10:27.30 | ShiftOnYou | techouse: it crashes on all my harddisks 2 750 gb ... the the partitions i want to format are crypted with truecrypt (but formatted with fat :(= |
| 10:27.32 | ShiftOnYou | ) |
| 10:27.39 | techouse | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xgl |
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| 10:28.12 | Ace2016 | already downloaded |
| 10:28.14 | techouse | ShiftOnYou: dunno, never tried something like that |
| 10:28.21 | ShiftOnYou | ^^ |
| 10:28.32 | ShiftOnYou | @home it works ... but not @root :( |
| 10:28.42 | techouse | Ace2016: if you don't see me bakg here in 10 min something is wrong |
| 10:28.47 | techouse | brb |
| 10:28.48 | Ace2016 | ok |
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| 10:33.03 | techouse | compiz works like a charm on the new xgl |
| 10:33.27 | techouse | lemme see if there's still the alt+ctrl+backspace problem |
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| 10:38.21 | Ace2016 | brb |
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| 10:39.24 | techouse | the problem still persists |
| 10:39.25 | techouse | :P |
| 10:39.39 | techouse | and you can't alt+ctrl+f1 :( |
| 10:40.12 | amphi | techouse: in X? |
| 10:40.34 | amphi | techouse: try alt-sysrq-r and then alt-ctrl-f1 perhaps |
| 10:40.34 | techouse | xgl, yes |
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| 10:40.52 | Ace2016 | yup great |
| 10:40.52 | techouse | sysrq? |
| 10:40.56 | amphi | or do you mean it hangs when you try to switch VTs? |
| 10:40.58 | techouse | wut's dat? |
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| 10:41.04 | Ace2016 | absolutely no difference |
| 10:41.10 | amphi | 'wut'? |
| 10:41.31 | techouse | what's sysrq? what key? |
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| 10:41.41 | amphi | printscreen |
| 10:41.46 | amphi | usually |
| 10:41.47 | techouse | ah |
| 10:41.49 | Ace2016 | it has sysr eq written on it |
| 10:41.57 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.57 | techouse | Sys Req |
| 10:41.59 | techouse | :) |
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| 10:43.34 | havocologe | is there a possibility to see what programm caused how much network traffic? |
| 10:43.48 | havocologe | or at least what user ? |
| 10:44.41 | atomic__ | hello, i am using etch 4.0r3 as a local mirror and pxe install server, the problem is i've setup SystemImager for fast deploying and i dont know how to configure tftpboot and pxelinux.cfg so i can work with both, i cant seem to wrap my brain around the mechanism |
| 10:44.50 | atomic__ | anyone with similar experience? |
| 10:44.55 | Ace2016 | i would also like to see what programs are using the traffic, seems i've downloaded 67GB and sent 2GB this past year, and i haven't even used p2p |
| 10:48.26 | havocologe | my problem is, that i caused about 5 gig traffic this night and my apache only had about 700mb this whole month and no ftp connections for about 2 weeks... |
| 10:48.54 | wols | havocologe: your apache has logs |
| 10:49.04 | wols | oh, apache didn't |
| 10:49.21 | wols | no, after the fact there is no way to check. MTAs usually keep logs too |
| 10:52.49 | zykes | Error: Had a bootloader specified, but no disks are bootable - after creating a image with xen-create-image - anyone seen ? |
| 10:53.25 | petemc | tonet out smtp : 238G , tomachine in smtp : 180G |
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| 10:53.33 | petemc | ipac-ng, sucks but it works |
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| 10:54.01 | techouse | alt+sysreq+r disabled my keyboard |
| 10:54.03 | techouse | :P |
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| 10:55.08 | Supaplex | techouse: not our fault if you forced a Reboot |
| 10:55.16 | zykes | anyone got a clue ? |
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| 10:55.46 | wols | zykes: what has the xen image to do with being bootable? |
| 10:56.02 | techouse | <amphi> techouse: try alt-sysrq-r and then alt-ctrl-f1 perhaps |
| 10:56.04 | techouse | :P |
| 10:56.13 | CharminTheMoose | good mornin' all |
| 10:56.36 | zykes | i'm just trying to figure out why it gives that error when running `xm create xendomname` wols |
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| 10:57.19 | Supaplex | amphi: next time you suggest a sysrq command, be sure to explain WHAT THE comman does. okay? |
| 10:57.21 | wols | zykes: WHAT error exactly? |
| 10:57.22 | petemc | xm create -c domainname |
| 10:58.06 | zykes | Error: Had a bootloader specified, but no disks are bootable < that's the one it gives. |
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| 11:00.06 | zykes | after typing xm create -c <pathtocfgfile> and hitting enter |
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| 11:05.36 | techouse | what da?! |
| 11:05.37 | techouse | memi@Satellite:~$ sudo gedit |
| 11:05.38 | techouse | sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Mar 15 12:38:59 2008 |
| 11:05.43 | techouse | what is this?! |
| 11:05.50 | techouse | the time ain't right |
| 11:05.56 | Penix | fix your clock |
| 11:06.05 | techouse | memi@Satellite:~$ date |
| 11:06.05 | techouse | Sat Mar 15 12:05:57 CET 2008 |
| 11:06.12 | techouse | emm....how?! |
| 11:06.26 | techouse | date --set? |
| 11:06.37 | Supaplex | !rdate |
| 11:06.40 | Supaplex | !ntp |
| 11:06.41 | dpkg | it has been said that ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
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| 11:06.52 | techouse | i use ntp |
| 11:06.53 | techouse | :P |
| 11:07.01 | Supaplex | what's date -u show? |
| 11:07.03 | Supaplex | !date |
| 11:07.03 | dpkg | The current date is 2008.03.15 11:07:27 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 11:07.18 | techouse | memi@Satellite:~$ date -u |
| 11:07.19 | techouse | Sat Mar 15 11:07:11 UTC 2008 |
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| 11:08.27 | Supaplex | techouse: find /var/run/sudo/ -ls see if any of those are in the future. |
| 11:08.46 | Supaplex | otherwise, try google: sudo "timestamp too far in the future:" |
| 11:09.52 | techouse | Satellite:/home/memi# find /var/run/sudo/ -ls |
| 11:09.52 | techouse | 969287 4 drwx------ 3 root memi 4096 Mar 14 16:01 /var/run/sudo/ |
| 11:09.52 | techouse | 969263 4 drwx------ 2 root memi 4096 Mar 15 12:38 /var/run/sudo/memi |
| 11:09.57 | techouse | both! |
| 11:10.07 | techouse | oh...no...just 1 |
| 11:10.07 | techouse | :P |
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| 11:10.54 | techouse | so i fix it how? by typing it the current time? |
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| 11:11.11 | Supaplex | find /var/run/sudo/memi -exec touch '{}' \; |
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| 11:11.47 | techouse | fixed |
| 11:11.48 | Supaplex | oh hah. touch /var/run/sudo/memi would do |
| 11:11.54 | techouse | thanx! |
| 11:12.02 | Supaplex | np. that'll be $40 ;) |
| 11:12.05 | Supaplex | hehe jk |
| 11:12.05 | techouse | lol |
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| 11:13.34 | zykes | nvm, find the error |
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| 11:34.35 | liable | quiet here tonight. 'merica must be sleeping in.. |
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| 11:36.11 | Supaplex | it's 5:35am here liable UTC-0700? |
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| 11:36.21 | geggam | 6:36 here |
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| 11:44.55 | darrh00 | Hi,apt-get tell me that it Couldn't configure pre-depend audacious-plugins for audacious-plugins-extra, probably a dependency cycle.How can I do? |
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| 11:46.38 | Supaplex | !tell darrh00 -about why aptitude |
| 11:49.51 | darrh00 | it's the same.apt-get has super cow power! |
| 11:50.35 | Supaplex | then why did we waste time creating the factoid? |
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| 11:51.06 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 11:51.13 | Supaplex | if you can't bother to use aptitude install from the command line, then I'm not going to look at it any longer |
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| 11:51.39 | spiekey | any idea whats wrong with my /etc/network/interfaces? http://pastebin.ca/943568 |
| 11:52.02 | spiekey | i get: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 11:52.03 | darrh00 | I have used aptitude,but got the same result. |
| 11:52.32 | azeem | darrh00: what does "apt-cache policy audacious-plugins" say? |
| 11:52.38 | azeem | darrh00: put it on a pastebin |
| 11:52.39 | azeem | !paste |
| 11:52.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 11:54.48 | Supaplex | spiekey: comment out the auto eth* lines, and try ifup eth0 first. that'll narrow it down |
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| 11:55.22 | blastfirex | hello |
| 11:55.25 | blastfirex | !list |
| 11:55.25 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to blastfirex |
| 11:55.35 | Supaplex | blastfirex: do you have a debian question? |
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| 11:56.01 | darrh00 | azeem:thanks! http://pastebin.ca/943573 |
| 11:56.04 | blastfirex | well... is this a share server? |
| 11:56.14 | dhe | is there a way to exclute directory from the updatedb command? |
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| 11:56.24 | blastfirex | mmm... |
| 11:56.36 | Supaplex | blastfirex: do you think every chat channel is for warez? heh |
| 11:56.58 | blastfirex | no.... |
| 11:57.00 | Supaplex | we all share this network. that's a strange question. |
| 11:57.21 | blastfirex | where i can find dvx |
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| 11:58.42 | Supaplex | oh I was going to say the internet. :) |
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| 11:59.14 | azeem | darrh00: so file a bug if there is none already |
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| 11:59.25 | jescis | google* |
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| 12:02.00 | dude_ | hello i'am trying to run a script http://pastebin.com/m160c2969 it dont work i get an error /home/dude/do_encode: line 17: syntax error: unexpected end of file. i'am a noob to shell scripting |
| 12:02.30 | dude_ | i need to batch encode a lot of small avi's |
| 12:02.48 | dude_ | using mencoder debian lenny amd64 |
| 12:02.58 | jescis | if it's perl they have a channel |
| 12:04.28 | Supaplex | as does bash (he said shell) |
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| 12:05.08 | dude_ | i just copy and pasted the script off a site, it suppose to work some asshole not doing it right |
| 12:05.23 | dude_ | kick the lamers asshole out |
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| 12:05.35 | jescis | that happens -_- |
| 12:05.55 | dude_ | typos are screwing lives up |
| 12:06.05 | Supaplex | if you're expecting entitlement, you're in the wrong place |
| 12:06.38 | sigp239 | Does Debian stable work with the 3D driver for my GeForce 8800GTX? |
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| 12:07.29 | dude_ | sigp239, nvidia are well supported you know. not like ATI |
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| 12:07.47 | dude_ | took 2 years for my X1950GT super to work |
| 12:08.07 | Supaplex | I decided to use the nvidia binary. the bug reportting info on nvidia-source led me there. *shrug*. but I'm ok so far. 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT [10de:0402] (rev a1) |
| 12:08.07 | dude_ | still isnt right |
| 12:08.12 | sigp239 | dude_: So how would I install the 3D driver under debian stable? |
| 12:08.42 | dude_ | goto the nvidia wiki site i suppose or the nividia site, and look at the instructions |
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| 12:10.52 | mbroeker | dude_, remove the last \ after -ofps 25 ! |
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| 12:13.38 | dude_ | mbroeker, sort of worked i got an usual response to that script, i'll keep lookin around |
| 12:14.08 | dude_ | allz i want to do is encode about 70 avi's to mpg |
| 12:14.45 | dude_ | it'll never happen if i cant batch |
| 12:16.20 | mbroeker | well, dude: it works: for i in *.avi; do encode $i; done; |
| 12:16.54 | mbroeker | and my first avi is already converted: assassination.mpg: MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex |
| 12:18.23 | dude_ | this is the output from that so u can see, http://pastebin.com/m24fb25 |
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| 12:19.05 | mbroeker | dude_, replace echo mencoder with "only" !! haha mencoder !!! |
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| 12:20.40 | mbroeker | dude_, http://rafb.net/p/Nv9r2s33.html |
| 12:22.32 | dude_ | mbroeker, yep that worked. : ) |
| 12:23.02 | dude_ | woohoo thanx, thats been buggin me |
| 12:23.07 | icedtea | grammer question. is it My friends and me or my friends and I? |
| 12:23.21 | icedtea | I'm desperate |
| 12:23.30 | icedtea | i know its off topic, so I apologize |
| 12:23.53 | mbroeker | dude_, cool script anyway. thx too |
| 12:24.40 | icedtea | doh nm |
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| 12:44.14 | daniel_John | if im on etch and i need a packge such as gimp 2.4 which isnt in the stable repositries, what is the best way to get that package ? |
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| 12:44.38 | wols | !tell daniel_John about backports |
| 12:45.02 | daniel_John | wols ive checked but there isnt any ? |
| 12:45.16 | abrotman | read the rest of the factoid |
| 12:45.19 | wols | read the full factoid |
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| 12:52.14 | fasta | Can you recommend a tool to download videos of GoogleVideo? |
| 12:52.19 | fasta | It seems they don't have a button to simply download in some standard format. |
| 12:52.42 | dude_ | fasta fastvideo downloader mozilla extention |
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| 12:53.06 | fasta | dude_: have you seen it work? |
| 12:53.12 | dude_ | 100% |
| 12:53.36 | fasta | dude_: thanks, I have had some bad experiences with media related extensions. |
| 12:53.56 | dude_ | this one does work on myspace so it should work on google too |
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| 12:54.33 | vanksi | if i do 'cat /some/dir/with/textfiles/* | grep something' how can i get it to display which file had the content that i grepd? |
| 12:55.01 | fasta | dude_: I stay far away from Myspace ;) |
| 12:55.21 | abrotman | vanksi: grep foo /some/dir/* |
| 12:55.34 | tho | vanksi: you could rgrep <expression> through the directory instead. |
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| 12:56.15 | dude_ | fasta look at firebug also another mozilla extention |
| 12:56.16 | fasta | vanksi: there is a document on abuses of cat. |
| 12:56.25 | fasta | dude_: isn't that for webdevs? |
| 12:56.49 | vanksi | thanks all |
| 12:57.09 | fasta | dude_: well, I know it is. Is it also useful for media downloading? |
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| 12:57.38 | jaggy- | cat * | grep does not give grep any filenames |
| 12:57.48 | abrotman | we covered that |
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| 12:57.59 | jaggy- | no you did not |
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| 12:58.25 | dude_ | fasta suppose aslong as you can get the src then its good |
| 12:58.35 | mosp | hi! there is 4 dvds of testing to download. does one need all of them? |
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| 12:59.23 | asg | mosp: no |
| 12:59.24 | fasta | !netiso |
| 12:59.32 | fasta | !networkinstall |
| 12:59.39 | fasta | whatever, sorry. |
| 12:59.52 | dutchfish | dpkg isnt there? |
| 12:59.57 | mosp | asg: ok? how many then? ;) |
| 13:00.04 | jaggy- | vanski, cat * will append all the contents of the files, but no filenames exist in the stream which is received by grep. The commands they gave pass the filenames to grep. Consequently, by default, grep will display the filenames if there is more than one [filename] passed to it, but will not display the filenames if it only has one file |
| 13:00.21 | fasta | mosp: just get the network install disk and use that. It fits easily on one CD. |
| 13:00.24 | jaggy- | okee dokee.. afk :) |
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| 13:00.37 | asg | mosp: the first, a net install, a few floppies. Depends on your needs and equipment; the install guide will tell you. |
| 13:00.46 | mosp | fasta: yeah but i only have empty dvd and i wont burn netinstall on a dvd |
| 13:01.06 | fasta | mosp: well, then select the largest installation medium that fits on a DVD. |
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| 13:01.21 | fasta | mosp: I am fairly sure that any prefix of 1234 is OK. |
| 13:01.23 | jaggy- | abrotman, unless you meant "covered" as in "veiled" :) |
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| 13:01.35 | znh_ | I'd like to send a mail to a pop3 server using the cli, can somebody recommend me a application that can do this? (which should be able to put in a cronjob) |
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| 13:01.42 | fasta | mosp: i.e. the important stuff is on disk 1. |
| 13:02.37 | mosp | fasta: ok... then i will burn that one... thank you |
| 13:02.51 | fasta | mosp: read the install guide, anyway. |
| 13:03.02 | fasta | mosp: I am not an oracle. |
| 13:03.07 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 13:03.07 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. |
| 13:03.17 | mosp | fasta: i have used debian for a few years... stable netinstall though... |
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| 13:05.10 | wols | mosp: I wouldn't use testing installers |
| 13:05.43 | msm | any one knows how can I take archive dump of all packages on system. I installed debian etch using netinst CD and it downloaded quite a lot stuff. I would like to make a CD so that later if I happen to reinstall on the machine I save on bandwidth. any one knows if there is prescribed tool or way for it ? |
| 13:05.46 | mosp | wols: ok? |
| 13:06.17 | mosp | wols: then install stable and change repos to testing? |
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| 13:06.23 | wols | mosp: yes |
| 13:06.32 | mosp | stable have software from last century :P |
| 13:06.34 | wols | msm: look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:06.53 | geggam | !clone |
| 13:06.54 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 13:07.02 | geggam | would that be it wols ? |
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| 13:07.26 | wols | !reinstall |
| 13:07.26 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 13:07.29 | fiendishfish | How long should it take for a 'device to settle' |
| 13:07.31 | dutchfish | msm, if you didnt clean the cache of apt you can save those, dpkg -l > dump.txt for a list of installed packages |
| 13:07.57 | msm | wols: so with existing netinst CD and another CD / USB if I have /var/cache/apt/archives how to go about re-install and avoiding network download next time ? |
| 13:08.22 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 13:08.23 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 13:08.58 | dutchfish | ah dpkg is back |
| 13:09.14 | abrotman | dpkg has been here |
| 13:09.31 | wols | msm: check the apt-proxy and mirror factoids |
| 13:11.09 | LimCore | what is nowdays better, nvidia ~7500 or radeon ~x1650pro or ~hd2600pro ? I need good quality, excelent stability and good 3d games performance. If it can be done on open driver then the better |
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| 13:11.56 | dutchfish | whats the appropriate sequence (or best) to compile kernel source docs headers? |
| 13:11.58 | abrotman | LimCore: ##hardware |
| 13:12.00 | CharminTheMoose | how would i get ipp printing to a server on a lan working with debian? |
| 13:12.22 | wols | dutchfish: make-kpkg --targets |
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| 13:12.51 | daniel_John | how can I find out a list of topics/ issues dpkg the channel bot has ? |
| 13:13.07 | abrotman | !tell daniel_John about your factoids |
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| 13:13.32 | dutchfish | wols, --targets ... in that order? |
| 13:13.34 | daniel_John | thanks |
| 13:14.03 | wols | dutchfish: what has order to do with anything? |
| 13:15.09 | dutchfish | wols, i have made a script that makes binary kernel package, sourc epackage, kernel doc package, modules, what is the correct order or i just make-kpkg clean everytime? |
| 13:15.17 | msm | yesterday I upgraded xorg using apt-zip they are not archived. I guess only ones downloaded from network are. |
| 13:15.25 | wols | why would you make modules packages? |
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| 13:15.54 | dutchfish | wols, squashfs, qemu modules |
| 13:15.54 | wols | msm: with apt-zip you have the archive with you on that cd or usb stick or whtever |
| 13:16.06 | wols | ah, m-a modules |
| 13:16.07 | fasta | dude_: thanks, it appears to be working. |
| 13:16.41 | dude_ | fasta, yep workin 100% |
| 13:16.46 | wols | !tell vxroot about away |
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| 13:17.40 | dutchfish | wols, so what order you suggest? |
| 13:17.43 | groton | which is the name of a source code navigator package for Debian etch/sid? |
| 13:18.06 | wols | dutchfish: why th would it matter? it's make ffs! |
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| 13:18.25 | dutchfish | wols, ? |
| 13:18.44 | wols | dutchfish: why would it matter what to build first? |
| 13:18.55 | dutchfish | wols, ok, i understand that, thank you |
| 13:19.24 | dude_ | groton sourcenav, http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/sourcenav |
| 13:19.42 | groton | dude_, thanks a lot |
| 13:19.51 | CharminTheMoose | how would i get ipp printing to a server on a lan working with debian? |
| 13:20.04 | dude_ | select your arch, and add the deb line to sources.list |
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| 13:21.09 | dutchfish | wols, what confused me was that the debian kernel sources packages has a slight dif size when build before building the debian kernel bin package then building it after the bin build |
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| 13:21.46 | wols | dutchfish: what difference? |
| 13:21.53 | dutchfish | wols, in size |
| 13:22.11 | dutchfish | wols, and no errors |
| 13:22.12 | wols | could be a bug. I never do source. it's not needed |
| 13:22.23 | wols | do source last then |
| 13:22.29 | dutchfish | wols, ok |
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| 13:22.45 | dutchfish | wols, hoever both packages do work without a glitch |
| 13:23.03 | dutchfish | s/hoever/however |
| 13:23.19 | dutchfish | wols, thank you again |
| 13:24.36 | dutchfish | last q for today, why cant i build squashfs modules with fakeroot, it gives me an error |
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| 13:26.29 | msm | wols: apt-proxy requires network machine while I am wanting to us my CD |
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| 13:26.50 | fasta | I have never been able to get make-kpkg to work: http://paste.debian.net/51245 |
| 13:27.03 | abrotman | msm: apt-cdrom ? |
| 13:27.15 | fasta | I discussed the same problem a year ago with a maintainer, but we couldn't find the problem. |
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| 13:27.41 | fasta | I assumed it would have been fixed by now. Anyone with an idea of what might be wrong? |
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| 13:28.03 | icedtea | dutchfish: I have no clue. sorry |
| 13:28.15 | dutchfish | icedtea, sorry for my poor english, but what do you mean? ... oh ok |
| 13:28.17 | wols | fasta: ls -l . |
| 13:28.21 | fasta | I verified that /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/misc/version_vars.mk is the exact same file as another Debian user. |
| 13:29.03 | fasta | wols: I see a list of kernel files and directories. |
| 13:29.08 | fasta | wols: that's what I would expect. |
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| 13:29.29 | wols | ls -ld . then |
| 13:29.51 | fasta | wols: I only see "." then. |
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| 13:30.52 | wols | fasta: that's the point |
| 13:30.56 | dutchfish | icedtea, ah found it fakeroot on compiling squashfs modules do work "without" ccache installed .. thats it |
| 13:31.05 | wols | fasta: well not totally: you see more than . |
| 13:31.12 | fasta | wols: yes, a data. |
| 13:31.15 | fasta | wols: date* |
| 13:31.25 | fasta | wols: and file size, IIRC> |
| 13:31.39 | fasta | wols: isn't "sound" a directory too? |
| 13:31.51 | wols | fasta: do you think I have a crystal ball? |
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| 13:32.10 | fasta | wols: no, but I cannot explain the difference in output between the two commands. |
| 13:32.29 | fasta | wols: in ls output, there is drwxrwxr-x before the sound "file". |
| 13:32.37 | fasta | wols: AFAIK, the d stands for Directory. |
| 13:32.43 | wols | fasta: I cannot see on your hdd and since you won't ell me: ask someone else. go away |
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| 13:32.49 | fasta | wols: so, this is all completely inconsistent. |
| 13:33.07 | icedtea | dutchfish: its slang its a crude comment |
| 13:33.11 | fasta | wols: I am telling you? |
| 13:33.39 | dutchfish | icedtea, ok |
| 13:33.41 | fasta | wols: I just didn't paste the exact command output, since I don't seen how that is relevant. |
| 13:34.35 | fasta | wols: never mind, I think I do understand, but I don't see how it's related to the problem at hand. |
| 13:35.00 | abrotman | !tell vxroot about away |
| 13:35.16 | icedtea | dutchfish: usually in poor taste but I'm slap happy right now :D |
| 13:36.06 | dutchfish | icedtea, whatever, i still have no clue what your stetement was ;) |
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| 13:36.34 | dutchfish | s/stetement/statement |
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| 13:37.37 | ShiftOnYou | how can i fix that: FATAL: Module fuse not found.? |
| 13:38.10 | dude_ | ShiftOnYou, compile the module |
| 13:38.18 | ShiftOnYou | how? |
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| 13:38.37 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: which module? which version of debian? |
| 13:38.40 | dutchfish | !tell ShiftOnYou about m-a |
| 13:38.52 | ShiftOnYou | etch ... and module fuse |
| 13:39.03 | htop | hi, want are the main differences between ubuntu and debian? |
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| 13:39.14 | icedtea | debian is better ;) |
| 13:39.15 | htop | not release schedules or anything like that. |
| 13:39.32 | icedtea | htop: I think ubuntu is more newbie friendly |
| 13:39.42 | htop | icedtea: in what ways |
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| 13:39.58 | wols | !tell htop about why debian |
| 13:40.43 | htop | ok...i read that page earlier. it seems most of those things apply to ubuntu as well. |
| 13:40.57 | htop | 'maintained by users' 'packaging system' |
| 13:41.01 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: m-a a-i fuse |
| 13:41.12 | terver | what package should i install to get 'xrdb'? |
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| 13:41.42 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: installation of sourcecode fuse-source failed :( |
| 13:41.52 | htop | what does one get with ubuntu that one doesn't get with debain. outside of a list of packages |
| 13:42.06 | dutchfish | terver, xbase-clients |
| 13:42.13 | htop | i would like to try a debian system and build it on my own, so im wondering what to expect |
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| 13:42.40 | terver | thanks, dutchfish |
| 13:42.59 | icedtea | htop: you know its been awhile that I actually installed debian for desktop use but I found ubuntu easy to install for desktop use (configuration of xorg) |
| 13:43.07 | daniel_John | It looks like i need to compile from source gimp 2.4. Ill be installing on etch. Apparently I will need a bunch of dependencies to compile. Can you offer any advice as im new to doing this ? |
| 13:43.16 | htop | icedtea: ubuntu was very easy to install for a desktop |
| 13:43.28 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: uh .. you need etch-backports .. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:43.36 | htop | icedtea: debian was as well, i installed a vm machine of it |
| 13:43.41 | ShiftOnYou | ok |
| 13:43.43 | ShiftOnYou | thx |
| 13:43.55 | abrotman | so they ship fuse-utils in etch .. but not fuse-source ... |
| 13:44.03 | icedtea | htop: hrm did you recognize your video card and use the right driver? |
| 13:44.23 | htop | icedtea: yes, well...it uses the vmware hardware |
| 13:44.33 | terver | very strange |
| 13:44.33 | terver | debian(17):~# dpkg -L xbase-clients | grep xrdb |
| 13:44.36 | terver | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.45 | terver | that's all, where is the binary? |
| 13:44.50 | dutchfish | abrotman, i thought it was in etch's kernel included, am i wrong? |
| 13:45.07 | wols | terver: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=xrdb&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 13:45.07 | dutchfish | abrotman, fuse |
| 13:45.08 | abrotman | dutchfish: i doubt it .. but you'd have to double check |
| 13:45.16 | abrotman | !find fuse etch |
| 13:45.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fuse' (7 of 43): (/usr/bin/afuse) in utils/afuse ;; (/sbin/ifuser) in admin/pcmcia-cs ;; (/sbin/mount.ntfs-fuse) in otherosfs/ntfsprogs ;; (/bin/fuser, /usr/bin/oldfuser) in admin/psmisc ;; (/usr/include/linux/fuse.h) in devel/linux-kernel-headers ;; (/sbin/mount.fuse, /usr/bin/fusermount) in utils/fuse-utils ;; (/usr/share/apps/kmess/emoticons/confused.png) in net/kmess. |
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| 13:46.02 | terver | wols, thanks, i'm on lenny, so i will need x11-xserver-utils |
| 13:46.02 | icedtea | htop: I don't know then. I've used the ubunto live cd before, but not very often, and I've had debian on my hard disk for so long and have been happy with it that I have no reason to change distos |
| 13:46.20 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: i get a gpg error |
| 13:46.22 | icedtea | ubuntu I mean |
| 13:46.23 | zykes | how can i get ahold of linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 for guest os'es if my arch is x64 ? |
| 13:46.27 | zykes | or amd64 |
| 13:46.27 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: read the instructions there |
| 13:46.36 | ShiftOnYou | i did |
| 13:46.38 | dutchfish | terver, xbase-clients: usr/bin/xrdb |
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| 13:47.02 | ShiftOnYou | but if i run apt-get update i get that error |
| 13:47.09 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: did you read all of them? |
| 13:47.20 | dutchfish | terver, apt-file search xrdb |
| 13:47.24 | htop | icedtea: I agree a little. my ubuntu installation 'ain't broke' so im leary to try and 'fix it'. but I would like to get to know debian, as opposed to ubuntu |
| 13:47.30 | ShiftOnYou | why should i read more if the second step fails?!? |
| 13:47.34 | htop | and im wondering, knowing ubuntu...do i basically know debian. |
| 13:48.13 | icedtea | htop: do you use aptitude? |
| 13:48.33 | htop | icedtea: I use apt-get |
| 13:48.45 | abrotman | htop: use aptitude |
| 13:48.59 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: did you import the key like it tells you to do ? |
| 13:49.21 | ShiftOnYou | oh ... xD |
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| 13:50.24 | dutchfish | !tell aleksanteri about aptitude |
| 13:50.45 | htop | !tell htop about aptitude |
| 13:50.48 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: now m-a a-i fuse fails :( |
| 13:50.48 | fasta | zykes: x64 is not the name of an arch. x86-64 is. |
| 13:50.49 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 13:50.49 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 13:50.58 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: errors are helpful |
| 13:51.10 | fasta | zykes: x64 is some Windowism. |
| 13:51.17 | ShiftOnYou | make[4]: *** [/usr/src/modules/fuse/inode.o] Fehler 1 |
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| 13:51.22 | icedtea | htop: aptitude can be handly when your not running x |
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| 13:51.39 | aleksanteri | dutche, ok i'll use aptitude if i get into dependency problems with apt-get then :) |
| 13:51.44 | htop | icedtea: ahh... |
| 13:51.48 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: paste the whole thing |
| 13:51.54 | dutchfish | aleksanteri, it said dont mix them! |
| 13:51.55 | ShiftOnYou | here? |
| 13:52.01 | abrotman | no |
| 13:52.15 | ShiftOnYou | k |
| 13:52.41 | aleksanteri | dutchfish, ok.. but apt-get still does the job good enough for me >_> |
| 13:52.47 | ShiftOnYou | http://paste.debian.net/51246 |
| 13:53.10 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: the WHOLE thing |
| 13:53.16 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: which command did you use? |
| 13:53.35 | dutchfish | aleksanteri, i admit i prefer apt-get too, but on new machines i switched to aptitudes commandline use (>= lenny) |
| 13:53.58 | aleksanteri | simply, why? |
| 13:54.01 | Enfi|ade | i've never used anything but apt-get |
| 13:54.20 | x03 | hi |
| 13:54.33 | setient | what is so much better about aptitude |
| 13:55.00 | amphi | !why aptitude |
| 13:55.00 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 13:55.23 | icedtea | aptitude can also be useful when your just browsing for packages |
| 13:55.24 | ShiftOnYou | http://paste.debian.net/51247 |
| 13:55.42 | Enfi|ade | apt-get seems a lot more straight forward though |
| 13:55.58 | dutchfish | icedtea, for that i use debian package search (etch) |
| 13:56.03 | Enfi|ade | and apt-get has autoremove |
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| 13:56.24 | Enfi|ade | before it had it i could see why a lot of people preferred aptitude |
| 13:56.40 | aleksanteri | and if i get a conflict then i'll resolve it manually |
| 13:56.55 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/51247 |
| 13:57.04 | aleksanteri | (manually != deleting the package with rm however, i'm not a n00b) |
| 13:57.20 | Enfi|ade | yeah, and with debian its not like you get clashes very often |
| 13:57.29 | amphi | Enfi|ade: aptitude can be used from the command line, like apt-get |
| 13:57.34 | Enfi|ade | deps break in deb far less than any other distro ive used |
| 13:57.49 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: m-a prepare && m-a a-i fuse |
| 13:58.01 | abrotman | Enfi|ade: you can in testing/unstable |
| 13:58.12 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: same result |
| 13:58.29 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: paste your sources.list |
| 13:58.44 | Enfi|ade | abrotman: yeah, but not really much when those branches mature |
| 13:58.55 | abrotman | Enfi|ade: unstable matures? |
| 13:58.55 | erik_ | etch: where should the kernel header file be ? |
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| 13:59.24 | dutchfish | ShiftOnYou, is this debians default .config or is your 2.6.24-xxx kernel fuse enabled? |
| 13:59.39 | ShiftOnYou | its not the default .config |
| 13:59.41 | Enfi|ade | well yeah, compared to how broken it can get in the few months after a new version of debian is released |
| 13:59.44 | ShiftOnYou | its from my hoster |
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| 14:00.15 | ShiftOnYou | http://paste.debian.net/51248 |
| 14:01.00 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: so it's not an official mirror ? |
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| 14:01.09 | abrotman | Enfi|ade: that's not really how it works .. but okay |
| 14:01.11 | ShiftOnYou | which mirror`?! |
| 14:01.37 | Enfi|ade | 'matures' was definitely the wrong word to use, but it does get less broken |
| 14:01.48 | Enfi|ade | or trends towards being less unstable |
| 14:01.49 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: ftp://ftp.ovh.net/made-in-ovh/bzImage |
| 14:01.50 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
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| 14:02.06 | ShiftOnYou | there i got my kernel and .config |
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| 14:02.17 | dutchfish | ShiftOnYou, cat /boot/[yourkernelsconfig] | grep "CONFIG_FUSE_FS" , what does it give? |
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| 14:02.22 | ShiftOnYou | but i added modules support with make menuconfig |
| 14:02.22 | daniel_John | what port is traceroute on ? |
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| 14:02.46 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: oh .. you compiled your own kernel? |
| 14:02.51 | ShiftOnYou | yes |
| 14:03.03 | Penix | !lose ShiftOnYou |
| 14:03.03 | dpkg | ShiftOnYou: You Lose. |
| 14:03.04 | abrotman | i have no idea if m-a will work then |
| 14:03.04 | ShiftOnYou | on default modules arent supported :( |
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| 14:04.10 | Enfi|ade | does debian install lilo by default? |
| 14:04.18 | amphi | grub |
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| 14:04.21 | abrotman | Enfi|ade: not anymore .. depending on your setup |
| 14:04.34 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: so how would i install fuse? |
| 14:04.40 | Enfi|ade | i mustve screwed up somewhere along the line as ive ended up with lilo installed |
| 14:04.47 | erik_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:04.53 | dutchfish | ShiftOnYou, cat /boot/[yourkernelsconfig] | grep "CONFIG_FUSE_FS" , what does it give? |
| 14:04.55 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: go to the fuse website and read their instructions |
| 14:05.07 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: nothing |
| 14:05.10 | abrotman | erik_: linux-headers package |
| 14:05.18 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: nothing? i think you meant dutchfish |
| 14:05.35 | amphi | !uuoc |
| 14:05.36 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 14:05.54 | dutchfish | amphi, txh |
| 14:06.03 | amphi | ;) |
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| 14:06.20 | ShiftOnYou | abrotman: CONFIG_FUSE_FS=y |
| 14:06.27 | dude_ | ShiftOnYou, just compile and install |
| 14:06.45 | ShiftOnYou | dude_: how`? |
| 14:07.01 | amphi | !kp |
| 14:07.01 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra> |
| 14:07.07 | msm_ | abrotman: how can I instruct netinst process that I have another CD to use instead of network |
| 14:07.09 | dutchfish | ShiftOnYou, that means its in the kernel and you dont need module it normally reads CONFIG_FUSE_FS=m |
| 14:07.24 | abrotman | msm_: apt-cdrom ? |
| 14:07.38 | dude_ | usually get the source, ,/configure && make && make install |
| 14:07.39 | ShiftOnYou | oh, so its already installed? |
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| 14:08.00 | Soskel | hi |
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| 14:08.13 | dude_ | ShiftOnYou, this is why i use lenny |
| 14:08.18 | Soskel | http://packages.debian.org/sid/phenny how come I can't get this by running apt-get install phenny? |
| 14:08.36 | dude_ | i just use ntfs-3g from bp, lenny |
| 14:08.40 | dutchfish | ShiftOnYou, is your system debian? are you sure? |
| 14:08.51 | ShiftOnYou | yes |
| 14:08.54 | ShiftOnYou | --.-- |
| 14:09.49 | Soskel | can someone help? |
| 14:09.53 | dutchfish | ShiftOnYou, i would ask the one that made that kernel how to go on, its a custom very new kernel |
| 14:10.15 | abrotman | Soskel: your mirror is out of sync ? |
| 14:10.28 | Soskel | abrotman: I am not running a mirror |
| 14:10.35 | abrotman | Soskel: you're using one |
| 14:10.38 | Soskel | I want to install phenny on my server |
| 14:10.45 | ShiftOnYou | yeah but i need it, truecrypt doenst work good with the old :D |
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| 14:10.51 | Soskel | abrotman: ?? |
| 14:11.00 | abrotman | Soskel: are you running sid ? |
| 14:11.03 | msm_ | abrotman: I think the process should be such that netinst install process should ask for if there is any archive CD. if there is then it should copy it to some HDD area and then refer to archive area before attempting network download. In fact it should also give option to not do network download but just do archive read. |
| 14:11.08 | Soskel | abrotman: sid? |
| 14:11.22 | abrotman | msm_: doesn't it ask you which type of source you'dl ike ? |
| 14:11.26 | abrotman | Soskel: unstable ? |
| 14:11.49 | Soskel | abrotman: what? |
| 14:12.01 | Soskel | sid? unstable? |
| 14:12.05 | abrotman | Soskel: are you running unstable/sid ? which version of debian are you running ? |
| 14:12.20 | Soskel | abrotman: what's the ssh command to find out? |
| 14:12.29 | abrotman | Soskel: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:12.36 | Soskel | thanks |
| 14:12.44 | Soskel | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 14:12.47 | msm_ | abrotman: it does but am not sure if it will process as I expect. will it copy the archive cd content so later it will use it ? |
| 14:13.11 | abrotman | Soskel: okay .. you're using etch .. that package is for a different version of debian |
| 14:13.21 | Soskel | ah |
| 14:13.29 | Soskel | abrotman: anyway I can get this package? |
| 14:13.37 | abrotman | msm_: okay .. finish the install .. then when you first login .. use apt-cdrom .. add whatever CDs you want |
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| 14:13.47 | abrotman | Soskel: it's an irc bot .. is it really that important ? |
| 14:13.59 | Soskel | no no, I just want to play with it |
| 14:14.09 | Soskel | not if it is any trouble |
| 14:14.15 | edistar | hi, how can I configure my debian lenny to install specific packages from sid? is that possible? |
| 14:14.17 | Soskel | if it's just a simple fix |
| 14:14.30 | wols | edistar: backport them |
| 14:14.34 | abrotman | edistar: you can do pinning or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:14.45 | edistar | thanks |
| 14:14.56 | Soskel | don't edistar and I have the same problem? |
| 14:14.56 | msm_ | abrotman: so you say do minimal install without network download. then add cdrom and do upgrade ? |
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| 14:15.54 | abrotman | msm_: seems reasonable |
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| 14:16.07 | NiLon | anyonge got idea how to make collectd save results into database instead of files? :) |
| 14:17.16 | Soskel | abrotman: ?? |
| 14:17.21 | daniel_John | If I want my gnome-lokkit firewall to allow traceroute do I alow traceroute :icmp traceroute: udp ? |
| 14:17.55 | Soskel | where can I add the sid resitories? |
| 14:18.03 | abrotman | Soskel: i didn't tell you to do that |
| 14:18.17 | Soskel | but won't that work? |
| 14:18.23 | Soskel | if I add the respitories |
| 14:18.52 | msm_ | abrotman: thanks sounds logical to me. if I copy /var/cache/apt/archive/*.deb on my USB/CD and then all other *.deb in same dir on USB will it be usable or do they have to be in some specific dir structure ? |
| 14:19.04 | abrotman | msm_: should be usable |
| 14:19.16 | Soskel | ?? |
| 14:19.17 | abrotman | Soskel: if you mix versions of debian .. you will mess up your box |
| 14:19.29 | Soskel | oh |
| 14:19.49 | Soskel | I just want this 1 thing though |
| 14:20.24 | pngwn | Soskel, I thought it wasn't important |
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| 14:20.47 | Soskel | it isn't |
| 14:20.52 | Soskel | I just... want it |
| 14:21.15 | pngwn | Soskel, then play with an eggie or something |
| 14:21.31 | Soskel | ?? |
| 14:21.42 | pngwn | Soskel, eggdrop |
| 14:21.50 | Soskel | eggdrop? |
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| 14:22.10 | pngwn | Soskel, apt-cache search eggdrop |
| 14:22.27 | Soskel | ahh cool |
| 14:22.29 | Soskel | thanks! |
| 14:22.56 | Soskel | [14:22] * ERROR: Eggdrop will not run as root! :( |
| 14:23.23 | abrotman | i would hope not |
| 14:23.29 | dutchfish | hehe |
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| 14:25.58 | snm_ | hi all. i have written a script to start and stop a certain daemon process. i put the script into /etc/init.d and now i can start it as root with '/etc/init.d/mydaemon start' . this works well so far. but how can i make it start automatically on system boot? |
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| 14:26.56 | msm_ | I have adsl router to which via USB and LAN I connect two PCs. Their IPS are 192.168.1.2 and 1.5. I am able to ping each other but I want to know if I do any data transfer between two of them should it be considered as download quantity tracked by my ISP. I have limit on my download capacity of 400MB. |
| 14:27.38 | dutchfish | msm_, no |
| 14:27.41 | snm_ | msm_, most probably not, becaue the addresses you mentioned are local addresses |
| 14:27.57 | hoxu | snm_, update-rc.d |
| 14:28.13 | snm_ | hoxu, i'll check.. thanks |
| 14:29.11 | snm_ | hoxu, sorry.. i cannot follow..it's neither a command nor a directory...what is it? |
| 14:29.18 | msm_ | snm_: how can I be sure ? |
| 14:29.24 | hoxu | snm_, it's a command, man 8 update-rc.d |
| 14:29.30 | Soskel | what's the defualt install dir for eggdrop? |
| 14:29.38 | hoxu | Soskel, dpkg -L eggdrop |
| 14:29.44 | Soskel | thanks! |
| 14:29.55 | Soskel | and thanks pngwn and abrotman !!! |
| 14:30.00 | dutchfish | msm_, install par example iftop on the routed box and watch |
| 14:30.03 | snm_ | hoxu, sorry.. yes (i wasn't root) |
| 14:30.09 | snm_ | hoxu, thans |
| 14:30.18 | snm_ | msm_, you can be pretty sure |
| 14:30.24 | hoxu | no problem |
| 14:30.41 | snm_ | msm_, there is no way those packages are going to reach your ISP |
| 14:30.56 | msm_ | dutchfish: routed box ? you mean if I am copying file from pc2 to pc1 then install iftop on pc1 ? |
| 14:31.23 | snm_ | msm_, you computers seem to be in the same local network (according to the ip addresses), so the packages stay in the local network |
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| 14:32.02 | msm_ | snm_: I some how feel the data transfer is slow so I thought if that was due to network trip to ISP gateway ? |
| 14:32.06 | dutchfish | msm_, the one that has the usb uplink, and yes you can be pretty sure those packets are not internet traffic, but check it with iftop if you want |
| 14:32.11 | snm_ | msm_, there is no way that you send something to 192.168.X.X and it passes the wb |
| 14:32.12 | snm_ | web |
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| 14:32.33 | Soskel | it tells me /usr/bin/eggdrop is not a directory, but in that command hoxu, it told me it was |
| 14:32.47 | Lukian | .. why do we have msm and snm in here? :/ |
| 14:32.53 | hoxu | Soskel, eh, it's the binary, not a directory |
| 14:32.54 | Lukian | It's quite confusing to tell you two apart :D |
| 14:33.05 | msm_ | is usb network connection slower than ethernet ? |
| 14:33.17 | eps | snm_, I once was with an isp that had 192.168.0.1 routable from a wan lan :P |
| 14:33.19 | Soskel | hoxu: :) I want to http://www.eggheads.org/support/egghtml/1.6.18/install.html#sect2 |
| 14:33.26 | Soskel | "Type './configure' from the Eggdrop directory." |
| 14:33.35 | Lukian | msm_, generally it's limited to 10mbit. |
| 14:33.36 | eps | also, this is a non debian thread so shouldn't be being helped in here |
| 14:33.44 | snm_ | eps, oops.. ok.. i am no expert. i didn't konw that this is possible |
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| 14:34.13 | eps | snm_, hell I am an expert and I didn't know it was possible, at the time anyway :P |
| 14:34.29 | msm_ | lukina: you mean both ethernet and USB will have same bandwidth ? 10mbit ? |
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| 14:35.20 | Soskel | hoxu: ? |
| 14:35.38 | eps | msm_, note that you can auto complete nick names in irc by typing the start of their name and pressing tab |
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| 14:35.52 | msm_ | I think I should install samba on debian and then map it on my winxp and this will make it easier for me to transfer files |
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| 14:36.45 | hoxu | Soskel, 1) ask the channel 2) you don't need to build it yourself if you use the debian package |
| 14:36.54 | eps | msm_, I strongly suggest you seek help in #networking as they will be able to help you much better than we can |
| 14:36.57 | Soskel | ahh |
| 14:36.59 | Soskel | thanks |
| 14:37.21 | msm_ | eps: thanks. I will start using it. I know you noticed Lukian mispelled. apologies. |
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| 14:37.42 | hoxu | Soskel, if you install the package the binary will be in your path by default, so where it says "./eggdrop" you can use "eggdrop" or whatever |
| 14:37.49 | eps | msm_, it is just a helpful tip, you have to type a lot of names otherwise :P |
| 14:37.52 | Soskel | ahhh |
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| 14:37.54 | Legality | hi |
| 14:38.02 | msm_ | eps: point noted. |
| 14:38.06 | Soskel | [14:37] * CONFIG FILE NOT LOADED (NOT FOUND, OR ERROR) |
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| 14:38.50 | Legality | Im testing how to create a sw-raid(raid1) partitions. In theory, I should be able to test this by creating a virtual server with, for example, 2 partitions on the same hdd and just mirror those partitions via raid1? |
| 14:39.11 | hoxu | I guess /var/run is cleaned at reboot? |
| 14:39.21 | Legality | AFAIK it shouldn't matter command-wise if the partitions are on the same hdd or on different hdds |
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| 14:40.19 | abrotman | Legality: okay and the question is? |
| 14:41.18 | Legality | heh :> abrotman: I just wanted to make sure by confirming this "theory" of mine with the experts :) |
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| 14:41.36 | Legality | I was just waiting for someone to shout "IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT DUDE!" |
| 14:41.55 | Legality | but i guess i can test creating the raided partitions with this method then |
| 14:42.27 | abrotman | Legality: of course .. the idea of RAID1 on the same disk .. doesn't seem very RAIDish |
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| 14:42.53 | dutchfish | Legality, if you dont mind about halving your disk speed, go ahead |
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| 14:43.43 | Legality | its just for testing |
| 14:43.59 | Legality | i've got no idea how to create raid1 yet so.. |
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| 14:46.07 | dutchfish | Legality, In the "Partition settings" menu, go to "Use as" and hit enter (debian installer) |
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| 14:47.17 | Legality | no no,, first of all i use the server remotely, second of all i need to learn how to add raid1-arrays via shell in working environment |
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| 14:49.05 | Legality | !sw-raid |
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| 14:49.50 | azeem | vxroot: please turn off public away |
| 14:50.00 | dutchfish | Legality, google: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html |
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| 14:55.53 | Legality | hmm |
| 14:56.07 | Superbartt | is it possible that some updates in lenny (testing) broke dcop :x |
| 14:56.29 | Legality | when I use the debian installer provided by my server isp, and activate the raid1 via the installer, i have no /etc/raidtab |
| 14:56.29 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:56.30 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 14:57.52 | dutchfish | !tell Legality about fish |
| 14:58.35 | Legality | yea yea, I know that dutchie, but I was just wondering why the other server where raid1 is activated during the install doesnt have the raidtab |
| 14:58.55 | Legality | it would have been nice to see the raidtab in action |
| 14:59.05 | dutchfish | Legality, you ar mixing things up, hardware raid is not software raid |
| 14:59.06 | Legality | well,, not in action since its just config |
| 14:59.16 | Legality | dutchfish: yea, i mean raid1 in sw-raid |
| 14:59.20 | Legality | sry |
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| 15:12.54 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys, what can I do to improve the network performance of a Debian ETCH 4.0rc3 serving 80 users (20-27 constantly). I'm currently using tc to messure how much bandwidth they can consume... but it seems like if the connections where delayed... |
| 15:13.37 | eps | _ZeuZ_, I'd use a qos capable router, failing that, a proper qos setup on your debian box |
| 15:14.06 | _ZeuZ_ | actually this box is the one routing... |
| 15:14.20 | _ZeuZ_ | One ethernet card goes to an AP that connects us to our mayor provider |
| 15:14.29 | edistar | the nvidia driver recognizes the pci slot needed to be edge-triggered, how can I change that? |
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| 15:15.04 | _ZeuZ_ | and the other one goes to a switch, where two mikrotik panels brings the access for the clients... |
| 15:15.11 | edistar | it has something to do with apic, but (how) can I configure that? |
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| 15:20.18 | Yarcanox | a dns resolution on my debian machine takes up to 10 seconds |
| 15:20.19 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, what services does this server provide? |
| 15:20.32 | Yarcanox | whereas it takes only around 1 second on my windows XP machine |
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| 15:20.43 | Yarcanox | same local network, same DSL router/dsl connection |
| 15:20.52 | Yarcanox | and same nameserver I think (DSL router itself) |
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| 15:21.37 | _ZeuZ_ | dutchfish: Only routing, cache (proxy hence) and ssh |
| 15:21.41 | theatro- | Yarcanox, have dhcp? |
| 15:21.54 | Yarcanox | yes |
| 15:22.15 | theatro- | have more than one default routes? route -n ? |
| 15:22.16 | Yarcanox | hm. I am not sure if the windoZe machine currently does |
| 15:22.21 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, the box has enough mem? did you check the load? are your disks the bottleneck on this machine? |
| 15:22.30 | Yarcanox | route -n => command not found |
| 15:22.39 | Yarcanox | ah worked for root |
| 15:22.41 | _ZeuZ_ | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/m6b362488 |
| 15:22.44 | Yarcanox | yes |
| 15:22.54 | Yarcanox | there seems to be one route that is obviously wrong |
| 15:23.07 | Yarcanox | hm or looks very weird |
| 15:23.09 | Yarcanox | 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:23.15 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, how much mem? |
| 15:23.20 | Yarcanox | the other one is just: |
| 15:23.21 | Yarcanox | 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:23.21 | _ZeuZ_ | 512mb |
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| 15:24.04 | theatro- | Yarcanox, its correct |
| 15:24.07 | Yarcanox | ah ok |
| 15:24.22 | theatro- | what is in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:24.35 | Yarcanox | search Speedport_W_700V |
| 15:24.36 | Yarcanox | and |
| 15:24.43 | Yarcanox | nameserver 192.168.2.1 |
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| 15:24.54 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, dont belove the box is overloaded, mmm.. i would check network issues, like does your nic do checksum offloading correctly, if you have a spare mem stick i would try that first |
| 15:25.10 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, s/belove/believe |
| 15:25.44 | theatro- | Yarcanox, that is ok also if this speedport thing runs a dns service |
| 15:25.49 | _ZeuZ_ | Well, I wouldn't allegate hardware issue... |
| 15:26.07 | _ZeuZ_ | About how to speed up name resolution and stuff, any idea? I'm using Bind9 |
| 15:26.09 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, i meant extra mem |
| 15:26.17 | Yarcanox | theatro- I think it does. I once looked up the windows DNS settings which were the router's ip, too, that was several months ago |
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| 15:26.57 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, too improve cache hit ratio |
| 15:27.20 | _ZeuZ_ | ducthfish: query please... |
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| 15:29.11 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, i suppose your bind does resolv caching too |
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| 15:29.27 | _ZeuZ_ | dutchfish: I guess... |
| 15:29.27 | _ZeuZ_ | where can I check that? |
| 15:29.43 | _ZeuZ_ | wich of the three configuration files? |
| 15:30.12 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, so that (and the fact that your buffers comsume mem) that i first would try to expand memmory for better performance |
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| 15:30.52 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, you bind config files |
| 15:31.43 | _ZeuZ_ | yes but wich one? xD |
| 15:32.01 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, /etc/named.conf i suppose |
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| 15:33.27 | _ZeuZ_ | unexistant |
| 15:33.45 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, is the bind9 on debian? |
| 15:33.52 | _ZeuZ_ | yes... |
| 15:34.22 | _ZeuZ_ | its under /etc/bind |
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| 15:34.53 | _ZeuZ_ | but, on conf, options or local? |
| 15:35.09 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, my fault /etc/bind/named.conf |
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| 15:36.00 | _ZeuZ_ | what should I check for there? |
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| 15:37.23 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, if it is setup for recursive lookups (probably yes) |
| 15:37.57 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, like this: http://www.langfeldt.net/DNS-HOWTO/BIND-9/DNS-HOWTO-3.html |
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| 15:39.50 | dutchfish | dutche, but this not that relevant. My point is, this all need memmory. So bind9 caching, proxy caching, etc etc, the more mem the fatser it will do its jobs |
| 15:40.39 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, but this not that relevant. My point is, this all need memmory. So bind9 caching, proxy caching, etc etc, the more mem the faster it will do its jobs (sorry for my typos) |
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| 15:42.48 | FordCortina | how do you stop mysqld closing your connection while it's idle? |
| 15:42.48 | _ZeuZ_ | It should be more than enough with 512mb... |
| 15:42.58 | FordCortina | while you're* idle |
| 15:43.03 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, depends |
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| 15:43.15 | FordCortina | i cant seem to find a timeout option |
| 15:43.24 | PythonNinja | hmmm |
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| 15:44.23 | MaximusBrood | Hello |
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| 15:46.40 | kestir | Hi, I'm seeing this in my syslog...'Buffer I/O error on device sr0'. Can anyone help me troubleshoot it? |
| 15:47.25 | abrotman | try another CD? |
| 15:47.29 | Enfi|ade | !grub |
| 15:47.29 | dpkg | well, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors> |
| 15:47.44 | kestir | abrotman: "another cd"? There is no CD in the drive. |
| 15:47.53 | abrotman | sr0 is usually a dvd/cd drive |
| 15:48.06 | kestir | abrotman: yes, that's my dvdrom |
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| 15:48.50 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, or if you suspect network issues, try tcpdump or wireshark to reveal such |
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| 15:49.31 | _ZeuZ_ | Yes, I think it has somethign to do with that... |
| 15:49.34 | _ZeuZ_ | Will check it... |
| 15:49.57 | _ZeuZ_ | because with kismet I can see suspicious clients trying to connect to my provider... |
| 15:50.11 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, normally 50 users using a machine as proxy would be hands down for a modern machine (if it has enough mem) |
| 15:50.30 | fasta | Why can't I move a file, by cutting and pasting it in Gnome? I first tried it via a terminal emulator with mv, but since the file name contains spaces, it doesn't work. This seems a major bug. I am copying to a FAT32 file system (maybe that's related). |
| 15:50.32 | _ZeuZ_ | what does that mean? xD |
| 15:50.55 | _ZeuZ_ | with mv you have to add\ your\ spaces\ like\ this |
| 15:51.07 | fasta | _ZeuZ_: my shell already does that |
| 15:51.08 | Enfi|ade | !grub fixmbr |
| 15:51.45 | wols | Enfi|ade: this is not windows |
| 15:51.51 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, ? you mean your console gets garbled up? |
| 15:51.52 | Enfi|ade | pardon? |
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| 15:52.16 | fasta | Let me see whether Konqueror also f*cks this up.... |
| 15:52.22 | _ZeuZ_ | dutchfish: no, I see clients suspiciously trying to join the wireless network |
| 15:52.26 | fasta | Moving a file... it's 2008 ffs. |
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| 15:53.01 | Enfi|ade | how do i generate the devices.map file? |
| 15:53.07 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, you have your security in place i asume? wlan encryption setup? |
| 15:53.19 | kestir | abrotman: are you suggesting that those errors were logged during the time I was using a specific cd? |
| 15:53.33 | _ZeuZ_ | wlan with tkip wpa |
| 15:53.33 | kestir | abrotman: and they aren't being logged continuously? |
| 15:53.36 | abrotman | kestir: it's possible .. |
| 15:53.38 | dutchfish | _ZeuZ_, ok |
| 15:53.40 | Enfi|ade | or device.map rather |
| 15:53.42 | fasta | How great is this... Konqueror also can't do it (also with a very bad error message). |
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| 15:53.53 | abrotman | kestir: you'll have to do some testing .. it's also possible it's a DMA issue .. or the drive is dying |
| 15:54.09 | fasta | Is there some limitation on FAT32 file systems which makes it impossible to contain spaces? |
| 15:54.22 | kestir | abrotman: the last time it was logged was yesterday, while using my opensuse vm machine. Googling that error brings up a few hits (at the top) with vmware and opensuse in the results. |
| 15:54.26 | zinx | fasta: no. |
| 15:54.37 | fasta | zinx: or a colon? |
| 15:54.44 | zinx | fasta: yes. |
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| 15:55.10 | zinx | fasta: to be clearer.. you can make it contain a colon, but some of the OSs involved probably won't be able to read it. |
| 15:55.22 | fasta | zinx: ok, so, the software should say: "Hey, you are moving a file to a FAT32 file system, maybe you want us to remove it? |
| 15:55.25 | fasta | zinx: " |
| 15:55.36 | fasta | zinx: that is: a lack of polish. |
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| 15:55.54 | fasta | zinx: let me try it, thanks |
| 15:56.22 | zinx | fasta: very little software in *nix tries to hold your hand :/ |
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| 15:56.58 | fasta | zinx: yes, when I saw the colon I figured the semantics of colons in Windows (e.g. C "drive" etc). |
| 15:57.44 | fasta | zinx: still, if Gnome claims to be helpful for new users, they failed at this point. |
| 15:57.48 | FordCortina | ive tried setting connect_timeout=0 in /etc/mysql/my.cnf but there server is still setting it to 5 |
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| 15:58.04 | zinx | fasta: as far as unix and unix filesystems are concerned, the only two invalid characters in a filename are / and \0; \0 because it's the end of string/path marker for most functions, and / because it's the path separator :P |
| 15:58.17 | fasta | zinx: [would matter] two messages ago. |
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| 15:59.57 | fasta | zinx: also \0 terminated on Windows, I guess? |
| 16:00.03 | zinx | fasta: no clue |
| 16:00.06 | snm | hi all again. i am still trying to automatically start a daomen with startscript in /etc/init.d . it works well, when i start it manually by executing '/etc/init.d/mydaemon start'. however, it does NOT work on system boot. it seems that the script is just not executed, altough there is symbolic link in /etc/rc2.d/ . what could be the reason for this? |
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| 16:00.17 | zinx | fasta: but windows has a ton of characters it inconsistently considers invalid |
| 16:00.32 | fasta | zinx: ok, well, Wikipedia would probably know (and I don't care that much). Thank you |
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| 16:00.37 | snm | snm, and also: is there a log, that i could consult in order to see where it fails? |
| 16:00.42 | DrIP | hey guys |
| 16:00.48 | DrIP | i need ndiswrapper working |
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| 16:01.15 | zinx | fasta: most of the characters can be accepted by at least some programs, just not all |
| 16:01.30 | DrIP | lol |
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| 16:01.58 | fasta | zinx: I don't know the status of encoding hell on Windows. On Linux it's different per programming language. |
| 16:02.09 | DrIP | now srsly, when i do make uninstall && make it says it can't find some folder |
| 16:02.44 | zinx | fasta: *nix filesystem functions do not define the encoding; they only specify the behavior of / and \0, and maximum length of filename/path |
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| 16:03.18 | dutchfish | snm, is you script executable (x set)? |
| 16:03.18 | DrIP | it say's it can't find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/buils, is it configured?. Stop. |
| 16:03.44 | maligor | oh wow, after enabling compositing on the metacity 2.22 package, I think the R and G channels got swapped |
| 16:04.03 | maligor | err. R and B I mean |
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| 16:05.40 | snm | dutchfish, yes, it is |
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| 16:05.54 | snm | dutchfish, -rwxr-xr-x |
| 16:06.08 | dutchfish | snm, and you did install this by update-rc.d ? |
| 16:06.35 | snm | dutchfish, and it works fine when i do as root: /etc/init.d/mydaemon start |
| 16:06.44 | snm | dutchfish, yeah |
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| 16:07.22 | dutchfish | snm, should this script be in rc2.d or rc5.d ? |
| 16:07.38 | snm | dutchfish, i suppose in rc2.d |
| 16:08.06 | snm | (if this is the usual runlevel, when running the system) |
| 16:08.28 | dutchfish | snm, you can check that? its how you configured it |
| 16:08.56 | Enfi|ade | when i run grub-install it seems to stall after outputting this line: Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 16:09.02 | Enfi|ade | does anyone have any ideas why? |
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| 16:09.11 | FordCortina | i strongly suspect that my debian mysql server is ignoring /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 16:09.20 | dutchfish | snm, maybe your daemon depends on others that dont run yet in 2 but later? |
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| 16:09.23 | FordCortina | i dont know why though |
| 16:09.39 | dutchfish | snm, you can check that in the logs |
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| 16:10.51 | fasta | zinx: except for the maximum length that seems quite a sane design. |
| 16:11.00 | snm | dutchfish, yo.. in which log? |
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| 16:11.32 | dutchfish | snm, the log your daemon writes to |
| 16:11.48 | MaximusBrood | I've been running vsftpd as FTP server for the last 6 months, but I'm having some strange bugs with it and the flexibility in configuration options is a little thin. I'm looking for a replacement server, any suggestions? |
| 16:12.05 | snm | dutchfish, ok.. i'll check |
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| 16:12.17 | dutchfish | snm, syslog? |
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| 16:12.38 | snm | dutchfish, i haven't completely written my script from scratch. i just used a copy of skeleton |
| 16:12.52 | snm | as a template, i mean |
| 16:13.01 | dutchfish | snm, what is this daemon anyway? |
| 16:13.36 | wvmac | has anyone else noticed a little floating window in the top left corner of desktop when you have flash installed, visit flash page and running compiz? |
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| 16:14.50 | snm | dutchfish, actually it is not a real daemon, but it is a script, that sshfs mounts a remote directory to the locat syystem and keeps the connection alive by reading some dummy file from time to timme |
| 16:15.23 | dutchfish | snm, ok check curent runlevel |
| 16:15.25 | snm | dutchfish, actually i only need a way to automatically start it on boot |
| 16:15.31 | snm | dutchfish, how? |
| 16:15.32 | dutchfish | snm, ok |
| 16:15.36 | dutchfish | snm, runlevel |
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| 16:16.10 | snm | dutchfish, N 2 |
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| 16:16.53 | dutchfish | snm, now give it such a name that its started last (alphabeticaly) |
| 16:17.09 | snm | the script? ok |
| 16:17.20 | dutchfish | snm, with the correct name syntax |
| 16:17.32 | snm | dutchfish, oops.. what is correct name syntax? |
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| 16:17.53 | snm | dutchfish, do you mean the symlink or the filename of the script itself? |
| 16:18.07 | dutchfish | snm, the link SXXname |
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| 16:18.21 | snm | dutchfish, ok. i'll try |
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| 16:18.52 | snm | dutchfish, so i should give it the number 99? |
| 16:19.16 | dutchfish | snm, if there is not such a name already yes |
| 16:19.40 | snm | S99zzzz is it now |
| 16:19.48 | dutchfish | snm, ok, try again |
| 16:19.57 | snm | dutchfish, sorry try what again? |
| 16:20.02 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.06 | dutchfish | snm, if its starts on boot |
| 16:20.07 | snm | dutchfish, i always just tried by rebooting |
| 16:20.12 | snm | dutchfish, ok |
| 16:20.17 | snm | brb |
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| 16:23.07 | snm | dutchfish, it didn't help |
| 16:23.22 | snm | however, when i do now: /etc/init.d/mydaemon start |
| 16:23.23 | snm | it works |
| 16:23.27 | snm | it's very confusing |
| 16:24.05 | dutchfish | snm, mmm.. is the script root and the symlink aslo root? |
| 16:24.25 | snm | dutchfish, yo both |
| 16:24.32 | snm | i execute it only as root |
| 16:24.41 | dutchfish | snm, and the symlink has lrwxrwxrwx |
| 16:24.50 | dutchfish | snm, ? |
| 16:25.02 | snm | however, the script itself does us su user -c in order to executed some commands as user |
| 16:25.08 | snm | *use |
| 16:25.17 | snm | dutchfish, yeah |
| 16:25.49 | snm | dutchfish, it's really confusing for me. i am trying to find a way to autostart it for hours |
| 16:25.51 | dutchfish | snm, i dont know if your script is right, i do know that it has been invoked |
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| 16:26.01 | snm | dutchfish, i am not sure, if this is the correct way, though |
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| 16:26.23 | dutchfish | snm, can you paste your script in pastebin? |
| 16:26.29 | dutchfish | !pastebin |
| 16:26.29 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 16:26.30 | snm | dutchfish, but lets assume it is NOT right, why can i use it as root? |
| 16:26.39 | snm | dutchfish, yo |
| 16:26.45 | dutchfish | snm, no clue yet |
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| 16:29.37 | qat | hi there! any help on configuring processor speedstep daemon? (none works: powernowd, cpufreqd, cpudyn...) |
| 16:30.52 | snm | dutchfish, http://pastebin.ca/943793 |
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| 16:31.54 | DawnLight | rtorrent question: does removing a torrent with ^d remove the files? |
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| 16:32.30 | qat | DawnLight: i think it removes the sharing of the torrent, not the file of the filesystem |
| 16:32.43 | DawnLight | !think |
| 16:32.44 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
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| 16:33.13 | qat | heh, so... don't ask... try xD |
| 16:33.35 | DawnLight | :P |
| 16:34.20 | DawnLight | 1642.2 MB torrent worth of risk |
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| 16:34.46 | dutchfish | snm, i have doubts about line 24 |
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| 16:34.52 | qat | current bandwidths allow the trial & error techniques xD |
| 16:35.06 | snm | dutchfish, could be the reason, that it works, when i do it manually, but not automatically, that i am doing from the bash? i once had similar issues with cron. it didn't use the same pathes, so i had to specify all commands with full path |
| 16:35.23 | snm | dutchfish, what should i use instead? |
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| 16:35.26 | dutchfish | snm, right, i am thinking of the same |
| 16:35.52 | dutchfish | snm, i would resolve that with sudo |
| 16:35.56 | snm | dutchfish, what makes you dbout about line 24? |
| 16:36.17 | snm | dutchfish, ok. i'll check |
| 16:36.28 | snm | dutchfish, thanks a lot for your time so far |
| 16:36.33 | snm | dutchfish, i really appreciate it |
| 16:36.36 | dutchfish | snm, np |
| 16:38.02 | jelly-home | snm: hey, did you know that start-stop-daemon can setuid to user? you don't have to su |
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| 16:38.30 | dutchfish | snm, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 16:39.11 | dutchfish | jelly-home, yes, forgot about that ... |
| 16:39.42 | snm | jelly-home, no actuall no |
| 16:39.58 | snm | jelly-home, thanks for the hint.. i am really noob to this kind of stuff |
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| 16:40.28 | snm | dutchfish, you don't think it is good to use that opportunity? |
| 16:40.51 | dutchfish | snm, i would follow jelly-home 's hint |
| 16:41.10 | snm | dutchfish, ok. thanks |
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| 16:43.30 | arnuld | I am trying to build plan9port on Debian Etch AMD64 but getting some errors :( |
| 16:44.04 | dutchfish | snm, and use >/dev/null 2>&1 so things get logged |
| 16:44.24 | snm | dutchfish, where do i need to add that? |
| 16:44.35 | dutchfish | snm, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 16:44.39 | snm | yo |
| 16:44.48 | arnuld | anyoen knows about "IRC for plan9" ? |
| 16:45.18 | arnuld | I am getting these errors when I tried to build plan9port on Debian Etch AMD64: http://dpaste.com/39596/ |
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| 16:46.30 | arnuld | I got it |
| 16:46.34 | arnuld | it is #plan9 |
| 16:46.35 | arnuld | :) |
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| 16:52.42 | mhymn | hello, where can I find the hidden file ".Xmodmap"? |
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| 16:54.31 | BadRobot | heys fellas |
| 16:54.54 | BadRobot | is there anyway to get IcedTea to work or to install it on debian? |
| 16:55.19 | icedtea | wha??? |
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| 16:55.40 | BadRobot | IcedTea it's an opensource java |
| 16:55.48 | icedtea | oh haha |
| 16:55.49 | jelly-home | BadRobot: why? |
| 16:56.00 | BadRobot | because it's opensource |
| 16:56.03 | Xttor | roxazer: du ser inte eller? |
| 16:56.20 | BadRobot | jag tallar inte svenska |
| 16:56.24 | roxazer | Xttor: nu |
| 16:56.36 | BadRobot | inge norsk eller dansk |
| 16:56.40 | Xttor | thats strange |
| 16:56.41 | BadRobot | xttor |
| 16:56.45 | jelly-home | BadRobot: last time I tried it, the few java apps I run crapped all over the place |
| 16:56.47 | roxazer | BadRobot: its swedish, and sry |
| 16:56.49 | Xttor | sorry, just checked a thing |
| 16:57.00 | Xttor | i wasnt sure i was able to type anything |
| 16:57.16 | roxazer | Xttor: i thought you had to reg your nick |
| 16:57.20 | BadRobot | oh, i was thinking it worked ok |
| 16:57.23 | roxazer | to be able to type |
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| 16:57.32 | BadRobot | i just would like to support it |
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| 16:57.59 | BadRobot | nu du ser |
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| 16:58.05 | Xttor | :P |
| 16:58.08 | feydt | use windows |
| 16:58.11 | Loevborg_ | Any know a relatively simple program to report system high load to the admin by email, or even by sending an SMS? Nagios btw is not simple. |
| 16:58.23 | Loevborg_ | Anyone :) |
| 16:58.35 | BadRobot | no sorry |
| 16:58.36 | feydt | anyone? |
| 16:58.43 | feydt | GoodRobot |
| 16:58.51 | trench | Loevborg_: search at freshmeat i'm sure you will find one |
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| 16:59.03 | BadRobot | or sourceforge.net |
| 16:59.17 | BadRobot | they have loads of opensource apps |
| 16:59.18 | Xttor | yeah, anyone wanna explain how to make an user only able to see and use his own home directory? |
| 16:59.36 | Xttor | and not even able to see another directory |
| 16:59.36 | feydt | Good Robot |
| 16:59.41 | Loevborg_ | trench: hm... |
| 16:59.42 | icedtea | Xttor: man chroot |
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| 16:59.58 | icedtea | !jail |
| 16:59.58 | dpkg | somebody said jail was only in bsd. see <vserver> |
| 17:00.04 | icedtea | !vserver |
| 17:00.04 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
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| 17:00.33 | hosler | Anyone know what repository figlet is in? Or maybe someone can link me to some good repositories for debian etch |
| 17:00.38 | feydt | GoodRobot |
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| 17:01.16 | snm | jelly-home, dutchfish: thanks for your suggestions |
| 17:01.35 | Loevborg_ | trench: good idea, but I didn't find anything |
| 17:01.54 | snm | finally i solved my problem |
| 17:01.59 | Xttor | icedtea: could you give me some more parameters? :P |
| 17:02.10 | Xttor | havent used debian too long |
| 17:02.32 | icedtea | Xttor: sorry man. I haven't used chroot either in awhile |
| 17:02.45 | Xttor | okay, thanks anyways |
| 17:02.50 | feydt | hottea |
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| 17:04.22 | BadRobot | what r u guys/gals favourite web browser? |
| 17:04.31 | hosler | firefox |
| 17:04.52 | pgpkeys | firefox or opera |
| 17:05.28 | BadRobot | epiphany 2.22 |
| 17:05.37 | BadRobot | or firefox 3 |
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| 17:07.06 | jelly-home | !popcon |
| 17:07.06 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 17:08.08 | boodie | Hi: if I wanted to build packages from source, provided that I have a proper source repository in 'sources.list', can I only go through 'apt-get install -b source packagename', or is there another speedier way ? |
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| 17:08.29 | wols | boodie: you cannont install source that way |
| 17:08.34 | wols | !tell boodie about apt howto |
| 17:08.38 | pobega | Hey, I have a simple question...How can I edit the Xfce menu? |
| 17:08.41 | pgpkeys | hey wols |
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| 17:08.57 | pobega | And I don't mean the XML file...I mean, the actual menu (Games,Graphics,Multimedia,Other, etc.) |
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| 17:09.12 | pgpkeys | pobega: it's in the docs for xfce which should be installed locally |
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| 17:09.33 | wols | pobega: done via the package menu |
| 17:09.34 | pgpkeys | usually under /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 17:09.57 | nesta- | hello, i need help. : ( |
| 17:09.59 | pobega | wols: What package menu? |
| 17:10.06 | wols | pobega: the package named menu |
| 17:10.13 | wols | !info menu etch |
| 17:10.17 | dpkg | menu: (generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.33 (etch), Packaged size: 403 kB, Installed size: 1724 kB |
| 17:10.20 | pobega | pgpkeys: Yeah, I know about the local docs (I refer to them all the time), but there is nothing about it in any of the /usr/share/docs/xfce* |
| 17:10.24 | pgpkeys | also see http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/ |
| 17:10.29 | pobega | Ooh, menu. A package. Haha. |
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| 17:10.37 | nesta- | i have just reinstalled debian and i think i may have messed it up a bit. updatedb and locate give me a return of command not found. |
| 17:10.38 | pobega | Thanks wols |
| 17:11.03 | boodie | It seems 'apt-get -b source packagename' and then 'dpkg -i packagename.deb' ... could it be the way? |
| 17:11.41 | pgpkeys | pobega: also, there's a tool you can install to do it graphically. see http://xfcemenuedit.mon-asso.org/index.en.html |
| 17:12.31 | pobega | wols: Actually, that's the Debian menu and I don't think it's the same thing. Thanks though! |
| 17:12.33 | nesta- | how can i get updatedb to work? |
| 17:12.35 | pgpkeys | http://wiki.xfce.org/faq also contains info |
| 17:12.39 | jelly-home | wols: menu entries added with menu get placed under Debian menu, not under the freedesktop.org stuff (or whatever the thing that gnome, xfce, kde use) |
| 17:12.48 | pobega | Thanks pgpkeys, I'll check them out. |
| 17:12.50 | nesta- | nm, i got it. |
| 17:12.53 | pgpkeys | welcome |
| 17:13.07 | wols | jelly-home: damn you're right :( |
| 17:13.16 | wols | mea culpa |
| 17:13.31 | jelly-home | pobega: entries added in ~/.menu/ will appear under Debian submenu in xfce |
| 17:13.33 | trench | boodie: apt-get --only-source build-dep package first |
| 17:13.34 | pgpkeys | i really need to set up a virtual machine with debian on it again :) |
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| 17:13.57 | trench | boodie: apt-get --only-source -b source package |
| 17:14.01 | pgpkeys | easier to answer stuff when you have the OS in place :) |
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| 17:16.26 | boodie | trench: and then 'apt-get install package' ...? |
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| 17:17.30 | Ergo^ | hello |
| 17:17.34 | redLAW[Marko] | i have one server with debian but i have strange thing somehow php apps are slow when i connect thru my local net but from internet are fast. Any tip for it |
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| 17:17.38 | redLAW[Marko] | thx |
| 17:17.49 | boodie | I am using aptitude to manage my packages and updates ... I assume it's not possible to convince it to work with sources ... |
| 17:18.32 | pgpkeys | what are you trying to do? recompile all updates for the system as they come in or something? |
| 17:18.38 | Ergo^ | im on ubuntu now, but i wanted to try Debian, but every time i installed debian and tried to use one-liner to install nvidia driver to 8800gts dpkg-reconfigure for x failed to find my gfx card |
| 17:20.43 | Ace2016 | wols: is it possible to force xorg to use a specific screen resolution? |
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| 17:21.57 | boodie | pgpkeys: I would like to do it ... is it possible at all? |
| 17:22.14 | wols | Ace2016: sure. remove all others |
| 17:22.14 | nios | If i want to remote my debian server with fluxbox from a windows machine what solution do you prefer? |
| 17:22.22 | azeem | boodie: why do you want to do that? |
| 17:22.31 | wols | it _shoudl_ force however with the shit they did in sid, who knows |
| 17:22.33 | wols | morons |
| 17:22.54 | wols | nios: remote X, VNC, freenx, etc all work |
| 17:23.00 | Ace2016 | wols: what did they do in sid? |
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| 17:23.16 | wols | xorg likes to autodetect now |
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| 17:23.26 | wols | fucking everything up sometimes |
| 17:23.28 | Ace2016 | yea i want a bigger screen |
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| 17:23.49 | nios | wols: do you know what gnome running ? i know there is a setting for this but i can remember |
| 17:24.11 | wols | nios: vino-server a vnc variant |
| 17:24.19 | wols | but all the options I listed work with it |
| 17:24.43 | boodie | azeem: well, to have all programs installed from source, possibly optimized ... |
| 17:24.54 | wols | !gentoosmite boodie |
| 17:24.56 | nios | wols: ok |
| 17:26.11 | boodie | Ok, understood ... this is how gentoo works, more or less ... but you seem to think it's a waste of time |
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| 17:26.21 | Ace2016 | omg 9 weeks?????? |
| 17:26.32 | Ace2016 | is it really worth it???? |
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| 17:26.41 | trench | hardly thinks so :) |
| 17:26.55 | Gnurdux | 9 weeks is a bit of an exaggeration |
| 17:26.59 | Ace2016 | i mean a whole 9 weeks? amost a fifth of a year!!!????!!!! |
| 17:27.00 | Gnurdux | more like 9 hours |
| 17:27.09 | Gnurdux | or 90 hours at most |
| 17:27.11 | Ace2016 | i mean a sixth |
| 17:27.14 | azeem | Ace2016: please don't use excessive punctuation |
| 17:27.27 | Ace2016 | azeem: OK I WONT |
| 17:27.30 | Ace2016 | :) |
| 17:27.32 | Gnurdux | but Ace2016 its a joke, making fun of gentoo |
| 17:27.33 | azeem | or all caps |
| 17:27.50 | CrazyTB | hey, a debian newbie here. How can I transfer the downloaded (cached) .deb files from one computer to another? |
| 17:27.53 | Ace2016 | gentoo was fun, but can't run on my laptop |
| 17:28.00 | Ergo^ | hey debian ppl, did anoyone had luck installing gf8800gts nvidia drivers on etch "thedebian way" ? |
| 17:28.03 | CrazyTB | Should I just copy the /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb ? |
| 17:28.12 | wols | CrazyTB: yes you can |
| 17:28.17 | pgpkeys | CrazyTB: or NFS it out |
| 17:28.23 | Ace2016 | yea that'd work |
| 17:28.55 | pgpkeys | just the archives dir though. so you don't co-mingle databases |
| 17:28.58 | darmi | Ergo^: how was ur research |
| 17:29.13 | CrazyTB | what about pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin ? Should I just ignore them? |
| 17:29.24 | darmi | did u check the net |
| 17:29.26 | Ergo^ | not very good, for some reason the "debian way" fails for me on last step |
| 17:29.34 | trench | CrazyTB: not needed |
| 17:29.44 | pgpkeys | what trench said (speed demon) |
| 17:29.45 | darmi | what does it say |
| 17:30.19 | CrazyTB | ok then. Thanks. |
| 17:30.23 | darmi | etch or lenny? |
| 17:30.25 | Ergo^ | last step is dpkg-reconfiguring of x |
| 17:30.27 | CrazyTB | going to lunch, bye |
| 17:30.27 | Ace2016 | I did it |
| 17:30.41 | Ergo^ | etch, and it should find my graphics adapter - but it doesnt do that |
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| 17:30.57 | darmi | is this a new install |
| 17:31.01 | nsg | hhey, i am debian newbie, i am tracking lenny sid, a week before i upgraded and got xserver problem, after booting it stops in virtual console. i have enter to graphic console by giving "startx" command, any help...i am not bale to get login window, |
| 17:31.01 | Ergo^ | yes |
| 17:31.02 | Ace2016 | it works, this new xgl package its decrased the amount of time the system stays in 1600 and spends a lot of time in 800hz |
| 17:31.11 | darmi | workstation or laptop |
| 17:31.12 | Ergo^ | maybe im doing something wrong - on ubuntu it works :( |
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| 17:31.18 | Ergo^ | darmi: workstation |
| 17:31.23 | darmi | hmmm |
| 17:31.25 | S4nD3r | How solve this ??? apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
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| 17:32.07 | Ergo^ | S4nD3r: apache should work fine even with that |
| 17:32.22 | Ace2016 | Ergo^: what version do ubuntu is etch being compared to? |
| 17:32.22 | S4nD3r | really ? |
| 17:32.23 | Ergo^ | you dont have a domain name if you are on home pc i guess |
| 17:32.56 | S4nD3r | where put this domain name ? |
| 17:33.02 | Ace2016 | nothing |
| 17:33.04 | Ergo^ | Ace2016: im not sure i understand the question. im not trying to compare anything, i just dont know how to do it myself on debian |
| 17:33.10 | yigal | I was thinking of putting kde 4 on my desktop and was wondering how stable - unstable - it is being that it's in experimental? |
| 17:33.33 | Ace2016 | Ergo^: you said it works in ubuntu but not in debain etch, thus the comparison, so which version of ubuntu is it? |
| 17:33.45 | Ergo^ | 7.10 |
| 17:34.06 | yigal | I read it is in experimental for one reason because it is incomplete, it doesn't have all the software suites available yet, but will it most likely thrash my laptop :) |
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| 17:34.30 | Ergo^ | Ace20 but in ubuntu i use their 'restricted drive thingie" , and in debian i have to do it with own bare hands where i fails miserably |
| 17:34.33 | trench | S4nD3r: you have set the wrong fully qualified domain name on your box that is why it says that |
| 17:34.43 | darmi | for sum things I perfer to use ubuntu becuz drivers issues are less there |
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| 17:35.07 | ShiftOnYou | moin |
| 17:35.17 | Ace2016 | Ergo^: maybe the different kernel versions? |
| 17:35.29 | ShiftOnYou | oh ... |
| 17:35.33 | redLAW[Marko] | i have one server with debian but i have strange thing somehow php apps are slow when i connect thru my local net but from internet are fast. Any tip for it? |
| 17:35.33 | ShiftOnYou | english irc xD |
| 17:35.43 | S4nD3r | Where is this name ??? trench |
| 17:35.52 | darmi | Ergo^: do u have video? |
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| 17:36.18 | S4nD3r | Where to change? |
| 17:36.33 | Ergo^ | darmi: im on ubuntu now, works great - debian works great too - it has x etc, until i try to install properietary dirvers |
| 17:36.55 | darmi | try to upgrade to lenny |
| 17:37.07 | yigal | I use lenny it is great |
| 17:37.14 | Ergo^ | is it stable enough to be used as workstation ? |
| 17:37.15 | yigal | lenny for my laptop |
| 17:37.28 | Ergo^ | i would prefair to use pure debian over buntu |
| 17:37.29 | darmi | I know that helped x86_64 flash |
| 17:37.33 | yigal | Ergo^: depends on what you need in terms of stability |
| 17:37.36 | darmi | issues |
| 17:37.38 | S4nD3r | hostname |
| 17:37.38 | S4nD3r | matrix |
| 17:37.46 | Ergo^ | workstation - not server machine |
| 17:37.52 | g-d | imho a desktop does not need to be -that- stable |
| 17:37.53 | g-d | who cares |
| 17:38.12 | Ergo^ | stable to use, not to work 2 years without reboot |
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| 17:38.27 | yigal | Ergo^: sure |
| 17:38.29 | darmi | :) |
| 17:38.30 | Ergo^ | ie i think on what i want to work, not how i want to solve my problems |
| 17:38.33 | g-d | yes lenny is that stable |
| 17:38.43 | Ergo^ | some say lenny is stable, ithers on same channel do not :D |
| 17:38.46 | darmi | very |
| 17:38.58 | yigal | Ergo^: relative to what Ubuntu has put out lenny is stable |
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| 17:39.03 | yigal | . |
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| 17:39.10 | Ergo^ | hehe |
| 17:39.12 | darmi | lenny's good |
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| 17:39.18 | patrick-1 | http://phpfi.com/302849 |
| 17:39.23 | Ergo^ | do you think that lenny will solve my gfx problems / |
| 17:39.25 | patrick-1 | any idea why the files are not created 755 ? |
| 17:39.32 | darmi | Lenny! Lenny! Lenny! |
| 17:39.46 | nux | patrick-1: check your UMASK |
| 17:39.58 | joltcan | patrick-1: Because it is a file and it is not supposed to be executable by default |
| 17:40.06 | yigal | Lenny! Lenny! :) |
| 17:40.17 | yigal | Ergo^: whose to say unfortunately |
| 17:40.18 | patrick-1 | joltcan: but umask 0022 should do the trick.. no ? |
| 17:40.23 | Ergo^ | hehe, now seriously - if its stable enough for webdevelopement and gaming i will be ok - if it runs my 3d adapter fine |
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| 17:40.25 | darmi | HeHeHe |
| 17:40.32 | joltcan | patrick-1: setting the umask to something else should do the trick, yes |
| 17:40.33 | g-d | Ergo^: why not just go with ubuntu if it works? |
| 17:40.40 | patrick-1 | joltcan: e.g.? |
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| 17:40.47 | darmi | true |
| 17:40.56 | joltcan | patrick-1: man umask, I don't change it |
| 17:41.02 | yigal | Ergo^: if you want to use Debian upgrade to lenny - imo |
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| 17:41.14 | yigal | Ergo^: but if Ubuntu works use Ubuntu why not |
| 17:41.18 | darmi | there basically the same |
| 17:41.21 | Ergo^ | g-d: because i want to create a CP for webhosting and stuff - besides i do like the fact that lenny and backporsts have packages i want to use |
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| 17:41.32 | joltcan | patrick-1: usually do chmod +x afterwards if it is supposed to be executable |
| 17:41.41 | g-d | Ergo^: you can't do that in ubuntu? |
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| 17:41.55 | nios | how do i auto conf xorg.conf ? cant remember |
| 17:42.00 | patrick-1 | but i want all file to be 755 on creation |
| 17:42.02 | Ergo^ | the packages i want are not backported from hardy for example |
| 17:42.12 | sudobash | nios what Video card? |
| 17:42.13 | g-d | install them manually then |
| 17:42.17 | g-d | dpkg -i |
| 17:42.22 | nios | sudobash: nvidia i think |
| 17:42.25 | g-d | or ./configure; make; make install |
| 17:42.29 | sudobash | nvidia-xconfig |
| 17:42.31 | darmi | But I suggest to at least try lenny first |
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| 17:42.32 | Pryon | patrick-1: umask turns off bits, it doesn't turn them on automagically. If the program was going to create a file with the execute bit set, then your umask would produce the results you expect. |
| 17:42.35 | Ergo^ | besides i will be getting a VPS soon, and i want it to be debian powered - best way to learn debian is to use it i guess |
| 17:42.36 | g-d | or create a .deb && dpkg -i |
| 17:42.36 | sudobash | ./nvidia-xconfig |
| 17:42.57 | yigal | so anyone here using kde 4 from experimental ? |
| 17:43.03 | darmi | absolutely |
| 17:43.11 | Pryon | touch does not normally set the execute bit. The umask setting will not affect this behavior |
| 17:43.14 | wols | !kde4 |
| 17:43.15 | dpkg | hmm... kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 17:43.16 | darmi | no not kde 4 |
| 17:43.40 | g-d | Ergo^: debian and ubuntu are extremely alike. there's no big difference. i've been using debian for many years now and it's working great. and now i use ubuntu on one of my workstations and really i feel no difference at all |
| 17:43.41 | yigal | wols: sorry and thanks out I go |
| 17:43.43 | darmi | I haven't use kde forever |
| 17:43.54 | g-d | i still use aptitude install program to install programs and still have sysvinit etc |
| 17:43.59 | g-d | there's no difference |
| 17:44.11 | darmi | maybe one time wit suse 7.1 |
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| 17:44.33 | nios | sudobash: it wasnt nvidia i think. 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. Unknown device 3230 (rev 11) |
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| 17:44.51 | wols | nios: update-pciids |
| 17:45.09 | nios | ok |
| 17:45.14 | nios | and after that? |
| 17:45.39 | sudobash | wow your working on some old VIA |
| 17:45.39 | patrick-1 | how do i make all files created belong to one group? |
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| 17:45.49 | wols | probably the via driver |
| 17:46.06 | wols | patrick-1: man cown |
| 17:46.08 | wols | patrick-1: man chown |
| 17:46.13 | darmi | my internet is moving terrible! |
| 17:46.17 | alexidoia | hello, I have a problem with an external disk that I can't mount, can anyone tell me how to fix it ? I think it has problems |
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| 17:46.36 | darmi | what have u tried? |
| 17:46.36 | jetscreamer | define problem |
| 17:46.39 | wols | !tell alexidoia about errors |
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| 17:47.09 | jetscreamer | tell him/her about rwvfat too or rontfs also probably |
| 17:47.18 | alexidoia | wols: on startup, fsck reports I/O error |
| 17:47.24 | alexidoia | that is all I know |
| 17:47.28 | darmi | lol |
| 17:47.32 | wols | alexidoia: smartmontools, long test |
| 17:47.44 | alexidoia | I tried to use gparted but the device does not appear |
| 17:47.49 | alexidoia | smartmontools ? |
| 17:47.50 | wols | doh. external. probably USB :( |
| 17:47.59 | alexidoia | wols: no firewire |
| 17:48.06 | wols | then there is hope I think |
| 17:48.12 | darmi | no it should show up |
| 17:48.19 | alexidoia | with smartmontools ? |
| 17:48.26 | darmi | fdisk -l should report all volumes also |
| 17:48.31 | trench | alexidoia: apt-cache show smartmontools |
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| 17:49.03 | alexidoia | fdisk -l do not show the disk neither |
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| 17:49.22 | darmi | have u tried another system |
| 17:49.28 | feydt | no |
| 17:49.41 | darmi | to see if it's detected there |
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| 17:49.49 | alexidoia | yes I have on a mac |
| 17:49.55 | wols | what does dmesg say when you plug it in? |
| 17:49.57 | darmi | &? |
| 17:50.05 | wols | alexidoia: it's HFS formatted? |
| 17:50.10 | feydt | woltz |
| 17:50.35 | alexidoia | ieee1394: The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new root node and resetting... |
| 17:50.44 | alexidoia | wols: its fat32 |
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| 17:50.56 | feydt | it's slim32 |
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| 17:51.01 | darmi | does the mac see the drive |
| 17:51.16 | feydt | does the windows see the drive |
| 17:51.28 | Ace2016 | Hi, just a question |
| 17:51.34 | trench | no :) |
| 17:51.35 | alexidoia | darmi: it does in the app disk utilities but it does not show its content nor does it mounts it |
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| 17:51.52 | Ace2016 | has anyone ever seen any 10k sata laptop hard drives for sale anywhere? i'm sick to death of the boot times |
| 17:51.59 | darmi | the drive maybe bad |
| 17:52.15 | cusco | 10k? |
| 17:52.18 | darmi | a 10k sata |
| 17:52.20 | darmi | wtf |
| 17:52.22 | wols | alexidoia: does not exist |
| 17:52.26 | wols | Ace2016: ^^ |
| 17:52.31 | wols | Ace2016: buy a SSD |
| 17:52.40 | maligor | just go for a 4 disk 10k rpm raid 1 |
| 17:52.42 | alexidoia | wols: what do you mean ? |
| 17:52.44 | Ace2016 | too expensive, i wanted something fast to put a raid0 on |
| 17:52.54 | maligor | err.. raid 0 I mean :P |
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| 17:53.01 | Ergo^ | btw. do you know if the dir structure , confuguration of daemons like apache2, mysql,pg etc is the same for ubuntu and debian ? |
| 17:53.04 | wols | Ace2016: how is your question debian related? |
| 17:53.20 | Ace2016 | well just asking, since there are lots of admin type people in here |
| 17:53.22 | darmi | good question |
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| 17:53.32 | trench | wols - he is to bored searching google :) |
| 17:53.35 | feydt | bad question |
| 17:53.37 | wols | Ace2016: I repeat how is your question debian related? |
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| 17:53.44 | wols | trench: too fucking lazy |
| 17:53.47 | Ergo^ | well the question is quite mandatory for me as to what distro choose |
| 17:53.47 | feydt | wols-he is to excited searching google |
| 17:53.51 | feydt | why |
| 17:53.53 | trench | wols - true :) |
| 17:54.02 | feydt | wols-false :-) |
| 17:54.10 | darmi | 10k sata. ;-) |
| 17:54.14 | feydt | why |
| 17:54.19 | alexidoia | lshal | grep ieee1394 report this http://pastebin.ca/943876 |
| 17:54.25 | feydt | why |
| 17:54.28 | alexidoia | wols: ^^ |
| 17:54.38 | feydt | wols |
| 17:54.50 | azeem | feydt: are you a bot? |
| 17:54.58 | darmi | ok it sees the device |
| 17:55.18 | darmi | dat doesn't mean that it works |
| 17:55.32 | alexidoia | darmi: what else can I do ? |
| 17:55.40 | Ace2016 | azeem: i've been wondering that for a while too |
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| 17:56.05 | feydt | azeem: would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses? |
| 17:56.14 | darmi | try 2 recover the data with a windows util & throw the drive away |
| 17:56.25 | darmi | windows recovery util |
| 17:56.28 | alexidoia | ok what windows util ? |
| 17:56.31 | nios | none here use via ? |
| 17:56.35 | darmi | search the web |
| 17:56.41 | darmi | buddy |
| 17:57.10 | feydt | azeem: would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses? |
| 17:57.10 | darmi | 8-) |
| 17:57.18 | azeem | feydt: do you have a Debian question? |
| 17:57.18 | Ace2016 | dd if and of, at least take a copy of exactly what is on it now before it fails? good idea or not? |
| 17:57.59 | Ergo^ | does anyone knows if the dir structure , confuguration of daemons like apache2, mysql,pg etc is the same for ubuntu and debian ? |
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| 17:58.22 | darmi | essentially |
| 17:58.23 | joltcan | Ergo^: Pretty sure it is |
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| 17:58.26 | feydt | azeem: I asked you a question first |
| 17:58.27 | darmi | Ergo^: |
| 17:58.29 | g-d | Ergo^: yeah, not 100 % but most of it is |
| 17:58.41 | Ergo^ | the not 100% may be a disaster ;] |
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| 17:58.53 | azeem | feydt: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 17:59.11 | g-d | Ergo^: just do a diff |
| 17:59.15 | g-d | between them |
| 17:59.20 | g-d | and you will see for yourself |
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| 18:00.51 | darmi | lol |
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| 18:01.33 | Ace2016 | ok i have a proper question |
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| 18:03.39 | djkrikke | Hi, I have a 13.7 gb and 120gb disk, Is it possible to make them raid before actually installing debian, so I can even put the booting disk in raid? |
| 18:03.57 | Ace2016 | I have 2 hard drives in my pc, 5400 slow crappy ones, and the second disk has my work on it, now i want to replace it with 2 7.2k drives with a raid0 array, how do i copy my / partition from my existing hard disk to the new raid since i'm going to need 2 hard drives to be plugged in for the raid, so how can i do this? wols any ideas? |
| 18:04.03 | wols | djkrikke: dmraid? |
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| 18:04.21 | djkrikke | yes, but how to make the raid before you have an OS running? |
| 18:04.37 | wols | you can make it in the installer usually |
| 18:04.51 | jelly-home | Ace2016: or boot from some other livecd and do the work |
| 18:05.15 | jelly-home | s/or / |
| 18:05.24 | Ace2016 | djkrikke: don't bother, the 13.7gb disk will just hold up the 120gb disk and slow everything down, and also how old is the 13.7gb disk, because a raid0 might be pointless if its too old due to reliability |
| 18:05.27 | djkrikke | So, I have to create the raid devices before installing? |
| 18:05.42 | djkrikke | Ow, and debian will detect they are raid volumes? |
| 18:06.03 | pipeline | Ace2016: RAID0 is a waste of time. |
| 18:06.16 | Ace2016 | jelly-home: thats just the thing, 2 hard drives in the system, 2 new drives will replace them, but i need to get /boot /home and / from the old drives to the new drives and the laptop only has 2 laptop hard disk options |
| 18:06.20 | pipeline | Ace2016: I have the hdparm results from a 10-drive array of 15k SCSI disks around here somewhere. |
| 18:06.25 | Ace2016 | pipeline: wha? no way, i want raid0 |
| 18:06.35 | Ace2016 | pipeline: oh show me |
| 18:06.37 | pipeline | Ace2016: It's slightly faster than one drive. |
| 18:06.38 | jelly-home | Ace2016: connect them all to a dekstop machine? |
| 18:07.01 | Ace2016 | the desktop only has 2 sata ports as well |
| 18:07.14 | Ace2016 | it has 2 sata ports and 2 ide ports and a floppy port |
| 18:07.47 | darmi | djkrikke: u can cre8 a raid b4 or after an installation of debian |
| 18:07.56 | jelly-home | pipeline: raid10, or 0+1, otoh... |
| 18:07.59 | pipeline | Ace2016: oh, I'm wrong. It's as fast as two drives, and it was a 14 drive array. It sustains 140M as an array. An individual disk can do 70M :) |
| 18:08.05 | pipeline | Ace2016: http://pastebin.ca/943898 |
| 18:08.29 | djkrikke | yes, but if I install on the disk I want to raid I can't reformat.. |
| 18:08.32 | Ace2016 | wait raid0 its really only optimum has 2 drives am i right? |
| 18:08.47 | Ace2016 | with 4 drives the latency is just too high right? |
| 18:08.47 | pipeline | Ace2016: RAID0 has no optimum. It's useless under any circumstance. |
| 18:08.50 | maligor | raid0 is worthless |
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| 18:09.13 | Ace2016 | oh i really liked raid0 on my desktop |
| 18:09.26 | darmi | maligor: raid0 is great |
| 18:09.30 | Ace2016 | well its either optimise boot procedure or raid0 |
| 18:09.39 | pipeline | Ace2016: RAID0's original purpose was to concatenate drives without requiring your hardware or software to be very smart. |
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| 18:09.55 | pipeline | Ace2016: i.e. instead of having two 1G volumes, have a single 2G volume by striping them. |
| 18:10.03 | pipeline | Ace2016: At no point was RAID0 particularly faster than a single disk :) |
| 18:10.11 | ShiftOnYou | how can i solve that problem: FAT: codepage cp437 not found (it appers if i try to mount my vfat partition) |
| 18:10.26 | darmi | well it's suppose to make reads faster |
| 18:10.32 | Ace2016 | so any raid that will give me a read speed bost? |
| 18:10.34 | Ace2016 | boost* |
| 18:10.40 | mbroeker | ShiftOnYou, your kernel needs support for it |
| 18:10.44 | pipeline | ShiftOnYou: I think cp 437 is the standard windows/ASCII language. Not sure how you could fail to support that. |
| 18:10.49 | cusco | pipeline: but while writting to two disks at the same time can be faster than writting to one only |
| 18:10.54 | darmi | because it puts data on both drives |
| 18:10.57 | Ace2016 | ShiftOnYou: check disk in windows? |
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| 18:11.07 | pipeline | darmi, cusco : Funny how those things don't really bear out in practical tests. :P |
| 18:11.12 | ShiftOnYou | its a crypted part with truecrypt |
| 18:11.15 | maligor | darmi, raid1 can do that also |
| 18:11.24 | darmi | pipeline: really |
| 18:11.24 | pipeline | darmi, cusco : Not to mention, you'll see those "benefits" from RAID5 or RAID6, too :P |
| 18:11.50 | pipeline | darmi, cusco : The place where RAID arrays really help on performance is the 128M-256M cache on a hardware RAID board. |
| 18:11.51 | darmi | raid5 is a spawn from raid0 |
| 18:12.19 | Ace2016 | pipeline: linux kernel+ software raid with lots of ram any good? |
| 18:12.29 | darmi | or enhanced version of raid0 |
| 18:12.42 | mbroeker | ShiftOnYou, try as root: modprobe nls_cp437 |
| 18:12.44 | pipeline | Ace2016: The linux kernel will use memory for I/O buffers whether you have software RAID, hardware RAID, or no RAID at all. Lots of RAM is always good for your disk I/O performance :) |
| 18:12.45 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: does "/sbin/modinfo nls-cp437" say anything? |
| 18:12.48 | ShiftOnYou | ok |
| 18:13.07 | ShiftOnYou | modinfo: could not find module nls-cp437 |
| 18:13.15 | cusco | http://cusco.tretas.eu/pics/raid.jpg |
| 18:13.16 | cusco | :p |
| 18:13.17 | Ace2016 | well i only have 4Gb, i plan to always just suspend to ram |
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| 18:13.27 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: are you using a custom kernel? |
| 18:13.31 | ShiftOnYou | yes |
| 18:13.40 | Ace2016 | oh that reminds me, i need a new kernel |
| 18:13.42 | pipeline | cusco: very nice |
| 18:13.45 | darmi | cusco: lol |
| 18:13.46 | ShiftOnYou | ^^ |
| 18:14.00 | cusco | it helps me remind what is what since I never really used it :p |
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| 18:14.38 | darmi | cuso the hot swap is incorrect that a cold swap |
| 18:14.49 | darmi | *thats |
| 18:14.52 | pipeline | Ace2016: the kernel will not allow userspace programs to use so much memory that the filesystem can't do adequate caching, but whenever userspace programs leave memory free, the kernel will put it to use accelerating disk I/O. |
| 18:14.55 | darmi | :) |
| 18:15.04 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: you seem to have forgotten to enable that module |
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| 18:15.29 | ShiftOnYou | how do i after? |
| 18:15.46 | ShiftOnYou | or do i have to rebuild my kernel? |
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| 18:15.57 | linux_trojan | I get a message that my packages are not authenticated, is that like really bad? |
| 18:16.03 | pipeline | ShiftOnYou: Just install the regular debian kernel. |
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| 18:16.13 | ShiftOnYou | pipeline: and how? |
| 18:16.20 | ShiftOnYou | i need the newest |
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| 18:16.24 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: you need to rebuild at least that module, yes |
| 18:16.25 | Christian_IS | how can i force apt-get not to get a package recursively (without dependencies) ? |
| 18:16.31 | Ace2016 | ShiftOnYou: what version do you use? |
| 18:16.39 | ShiftOnYou | 2.6.24 |
| 18:16.41 | pipeline | linux_trojan: it could be, but probably isn't. Usually it means that you just haven't gotten around to importing the correct key for your various repositories. |
| 18:17.10 | Ace2016 | thats in the debian sid repos :D (let me just double check) |
| 18:17.12 | pipeline | Christian_IS: You can't. You can, however, use the "-d" switch to download the packages without installing them. You can then install whatever it is you want manually with dpkg. |
| 18:17.26 | linux_trojan | pipeline: is there easy way just to change the repository? |
| 18:17.31 | darmi | Christian_IS: install by source |
| 18:17.32 | Ace2016 | yup its in sid |
| 18:17.35 | pipeline | Christian_IS: What you probably want to do is use the "equivs" package, in order to create fake packages to satisfy dependencies. |
| 18:17.56 | Ace2016 | equivs sounds very handy |
| 18:18.09 | pipeline | it's not, it's kind of a last-resort option for when you've fucked something up. |
| 18:18.22 | Ace2016 | i do that a lot |
| 18:18.49 | pipeline | linux_trojan: huh? |
| 18:18.54 | ShiftOnYou | jelly-home: how do i only rebuild that module?!? |
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| 18:19.05 | pipeline | linux_trojan: those warnings appear because the packages aren't signed by a key you recognize |
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| 18:19.14 | pipeline | linux_trojan: that could be caused by a repository having been compromised |
| 18:19.21 | pipeline | linux_trojan: or you could just never have imported the legitimate key for that repo |
| 18:19.24 | darmi | I gotta go to da supermarket; ttyl |
| 18:19.32 | linux_trojan | I think COMPROMISED |
| 18:19.38 | linux_trojan | it was working fine earlier |
| 18:19.49 | pipeline | linux_trojan: did you add a new repository without adding a key for it? |
| 18:20.12 | linux_trojan | no, how do I add a new repository? the easy way |
| 18:20.15 | pipeline | linux_trojan: are you upgrading a system from some distant past version that did not support signing packages? |
| 18:20.41 | linux_trojan | no I am just using the repository that was selected during my installation |
| 18:20.55 | nios | why doesnt apt got via drivers :/ |
| 18:21.18 | linux_trojan | all this makes me feel like just reinstalling |
| 18:21.24 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: if you still have your kernel tree, you can make menuconfig (or whateverconfig), enable it, make, copy the module to its place in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) and run depmod manually. If unsure, rebuild the whole kernel |
| 18:21.35 | linux_trojan | I get nerous when I see these types of erros |
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| 18:21.46 | Pryon | nios: which drivers? |
| 18:21.51 | ShiftOnYou | ok, i try it :D |
| 18:22.08 | linux_trojan | right now I am using ftp.utexas.edu /debian |
| 18:22.11 | pipeline | ShiftOnYou: Yeah... uh.. install a packaged kernel. Welcome to 2002: there's no reason to build your own kernel from scratch anymore. |
| 18:22.16 | linux_trojan | has that one been hacked? |
| 18:22.18 | nios | Pryon: xserver-xorg-video-openchrome |
| 18:22.46 | ShiftOnYou | pipeline: so how do i install a packaged kernel?!? |
| 18:22.51 | pipeline | ShiftOnYou: If you didn't know that you should perhaps include support for more than one (or any) codepages in the vfat module, you should probably not be building your own. |
| 18:22.59 | Ace2016 | one step closer, 10k 2.5" drives do exist, now just need to find sata ones |
| 18:23.09 | pipeline | ShiftOnYou: The kernel is a package like any other. Install the "linux-image-2.6" package and it will automatically pull down the newest kernel every time you update the system. |
| 18:23.25 | maligor | Ace2016: are you on putting one in a laptop? |
| 18:23.31 | Ace2016 | yup |
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| 18:23.45 | maligor | heh |
| 18:23.53 | linux_trojan | I guess the site getting compromised is not so uncommon? |
| 18:23.56 | maligor | say goodbye to your laptop |
| 18:23.57 | ShiftOnYou | pipeline: it is installed ... but i had my old kernel :/ |
| 18:24.09 | maligor | 10k rpm drives will create a huge amount of heat |
| 18:24.10 | jelly-home | pipeline: eh, that module is used solely to create 8.3 filename entries, a stupidity unique to vfat |
| 18:24.20 | linux_trojan | god only knows how many of us are going around with hacked boxes coz we disregard warnings ? |
| 18:24.27 | pipeline | ShiftOnYou: It may not be the default to boot. And you won't have 2.6.24 in the stable release :) |
| 18:24.43 | pipeline | linux_trojan: The odds are much better that you just haven't imported the key than that the site is compromised :) |
| 18:24.57 | ShiftOnYou | so ... how do i get 2.6.24 with apt-get? |
| 18:25.01 | pipeline | linux_trojan: debian's repository servers were compromised once. That was big news, and a major reason that packages are signed now. |
| 18:25.07 | pipeline | ShiftOnYou: upgrade to a newer release, probably. |
| 18:25.18 | pipeline | ShiftOnYou: What is it that you need 2.6.24 for, anyway? |
| 18:25.26 | ShiftOnYou | truecrypt |
| 18:25.32 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: you could try looking for it on backports.org |
| 18:25.35 | pipeline | ugly |
| 18:25.45 | linux_trojan | so I guess there is no easy way to change the repository? |
| 18:25.54 | Ace2016 | maligor: can't be that much surely, i'll just read up on it first, but it should feel right at home with the nvidia and athlon which were pushing 79*C in winter, but my room was heated but still in winter |
| 18:26.14 | jelly-home | linux_trojan: it can be as easy as editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:26.16 | linux_trojan | like apt-get change mirrors.anl.gov ? |
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| 18:26.30 | maligor | Ace2016, I doubt the laptop is designed to house a 10k rpm drive, it Will Kill it |
| 18:26.33 | linux_trojan | lol yea I tried that, I cant get it to work |
| 18:26.54 | linux_trojan | I tried ftp.uchicago.edu |
| 18:27.03 | linux_trojan | mirrors.anl.gov |
| 18:27.11 | jelly-home | http.us.debian.org? |
| 18:27.13 | linux_trojan | ftp.utexas.edu |
| 18:27.20 | linux_trojan | no not that one |
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| 18:27.27 | linux_trojan | which directory? |
| 18:27.42 | linux_trojan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.56 | jelly-home | it's always /debian for http.<COUNTRY>.debian.org, I think |
| 18:28.08 | linux_trojan | ok let me try it |
| 18:28.10 | linux_trojan | brb |
| 18:29.13 | Ace2016 | ok in theory a 2.5" 10k sas drive should work |
| 18:29.42 | maligor | serial attached scsi? |
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| 18:29.49 | Ace2016 | yea |
| 18:29.50 | jelly-home | if the laptop has a sas controller? |
| 18:29.59 | maligor | what do I care for your laptop, eh |
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| 18:30.15 | wols | Ace2016: giw are your hardware questions debian related? |
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| 18:30.24 | wols | *how |
| 18:30.27 | linux_trojan | doesnt work |
| 18:30.32 | linux_trojan | forgit it I give up |
| 18:30.35 | wols | !tell linux_trojan about doesn't work |
| 18:30.41 | wols | !tell linux_trojan about sources.list |
| 18:30.57 | linux_trojan | I give up, I quit |
| 18:31.11 | Ace2016 | no, but wikipedia " When SAS is mixed with SATA, the SAS drives run at SATA-voltages" and also "allowing for much higher speed data transfers than previously available, and is backwards-compatible with SATA drives" |
| 18:31.37 | Ace2016 | linux_trojan: give up on? |
| 18:31.50 | linux_trojan | changing the repository location |
| 18:31.58 | Ace2016 | to which country> |
| 18:32.00 | linux_trojan | when linux messes up, just reinstall |
| 18:32.09 | linux_trojan | us.debian.org |
| 18:32.35 | jelly-home | linux_trojan: what's "us.debian.org"? |
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| 18:33.10 | linux_trojan | I assume a repository site, thats what I was told earlier |
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| 18:33.41 | jelly-home | linux_trojan: that's not a correct site, whoever told you that was wrong |
| 18:33.50 | Ace2016 | so just change it to look like this: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 18:34.10 | linux_trojan | oh I didnt use the ftp |
| 18:34.14 | jelly-home | however, "http.us.debian.org" is correct. |
| 18:34.22 | linux_trojan | ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 18:34.34 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 18:34.43 | jelly-home | either will work, probably |
| 18:34.44 | linux_trojan | http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 18:34.50 | linux_trojan | ? |
| 18:35.23 | Ace2016 | jelly-home: whats the difference? |
| 18:35.39 | Ace2016 | does it depend on the transfer method dpkg uses? |
| 18:35.39 | jelly-home | Ace2016: guess! |
| 18:36.07 | ShiftOnYou | jelly-home: i tryed to enamble the fat support... and i see, its already enabled! |
| 18:36.09 | Ace2016 | but there is the http:/ in front of it which makes me wonder why the http. and ftp. is there |
| 18:36.25 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: search for cp437. |
| 18:36.32 | ShiftOnYou | where? |
| 18:36.49 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: in, say, menuconfig? |
| 18:37.04 | ShiftOnYou | yeah, it was checked! |
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| 18:37.10 | ShiftOnYou | with my .config |
| 18:37.10 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: what was? |
| 18:37.56 | jelly-home | you want CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437 |
| 18:37.59 | ShiftOnYou | vfat (Windows-95) fs support (437) Default codepage for FAT |
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| 18:39.33 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: that's just an option for the vfat driver. You also need to enable support for that codepage in the Native Language Support section |
| 18:39.51 | ShiftOnYou | ok |
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| 18:40.06 | ShiftOnYou | and where is that section? |
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| 18:40.51 | jelly-home | I don't know off the top of my head, try searching for "codepage" or "nls" |
| 18:41.14 | linux_trojan | I couldnt make this work it my life depended on it |
| 18:41.20 | linux_trojan | ok thatnks for the input, laters |
| 18:41.23 | pipeline | ShiftOnYou: You know, you could copy the config file for a stock debian kernel out of /boot, do a make oldconfig, then make menuconfig just to make the handful of changes you require. |
| 18:41.44 | jelly-home | nah, debian's .config enable all sorts of crap |
| 18:41.49 | ShiftOnYou | i did, after that te system didnt start... |
| 18:42.01 | pipeline | jelly-home: So what? That's the magic of kernel modules, son. |
| 18:42.53 | ShiftOnYou | how do i search in menuconfig mode? |
| 18:43.01 | netdaemon | i can take this drive, and put it in another computer, and boom, it works |
| 18:43.02 | netdaemon | wee |
| 18:43.05 | jelly-home | pipeline: I let the distro build with everything. When I do it myself, I build what's needed |
| 18:43.25 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: / |
| 18:43.52 | pipeline | jelly-home: I haven't done it myself in years. I will not start doing it myself anytime soon. It's no longer necessary. |
| 18:43.53 | ShiftOnYou | jelly-home: ? |
| 18:44.02 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: press / |
| 18:44.08 | pipeline | jelly-home: I have better things to do with my time. Like argue with people on the internet! |
| 18:44.12 | ShiftOnYou | nothing happens |
| 18:44.21 | ShiftOnYou | ah now xD |
| 18:44.25 | ShiftOnYou | after 5 times ^^ |
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| 18:44.52 | ShiftOnYou | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:45.07 | pgpkeys | arguing on the internet is fun. you can win even while losing :) |
| 18:45.13 | jelly-home | pipeline: you're one lucky SOB, what canna say! |
| 18:45.49 | ShiftOnYou | pgpkeys: lol |
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| 18:46.18 | pgpkeys | ShiftOnYou: sort of like having a girlfriend. :) |
| 18:46.25 | ShiftOnYou | ^^ |
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| 18:46.50 | pgpkeys | the comment makes sense if you consider the makup sex :) |
| 18:46.55 | pgpkeys | err make up |
| 18:47.41 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: if you have an utf-8 enabled locale, you'll probably want nls-utf8 as well, and mount your vfat partitions with iocharset=utf8 to see filenames with funny characters correctly |
| 18:48.04 | pgpkeys | i was just thinking about that myself |
| 18:48.15 | ShiftOnYou | yeah i know that funny chars ^^ |
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| 18:48.59 | jelly-home | ümäüts ftw |
| 18:49.14 | ShiftOnYou | jelly-home: now i did make with the new options... what do i have to do now? |
| 18:49.28 | ShiftOnYou | hellö |
| 18:49.30 | ShiftOnYou | ^^ |
| 18:49.35 | jelly-home | ShiftOnYou: install the new kernel, reboot |
| 18:50.08 | ShiftOnYou | like cp arch/x86/boot/bzImage /boot/ ? |
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| 18:50.22 | jelly-home | like you did it last time. |
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| 18:53.36 | jelly-home | could be you used make-kpkg, or just "make install" |
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| 18:54.39 | Xcerca | i dled a program and i it's called xxxx.deb , how so i install it ? |
| 18:54.55 | pgpkeys | uhhh |
| 18:54.57 | amphi | Xcerca: dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 18:55.05 | Xcerca | thanks |
| 18:55.15 | ShiftOnYou | jelly-home: ok i do... see ya later |
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| 18:59.04 | Xcerca | is there another switch for dpkg -i program.deb to install of the dependancies ? |
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| 19:00.52 | cloakable | Xcerca: dpkg doesn't download dependencies. Try running apt-get -f install after installing the package |
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| 19:01.49 | Xcerca | alright |
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| 19:02.35 | craigevil | gdebi will downlaod depends |
| 19:03.16 | Xcerca | whats the usage for gdebi ? |
| 19:03.30 | craigevil | gdebi packagename |
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| 19:03.58 | craigevil | install like dpkg and pulls in the depends |
| 19:04.31 | Xcerca | cool, apt-get -f install worked, but i'll try that later |
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| 19:09.09 | Xcerca | if i install vmware on debian then do i have to open that and reinstall another os, or will it launch other oses i have installed ? |
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| 19:09.58 | pgpkeys | so long as the versions of the vdk were supported and you added them to the menu list it'dwork |
| 19:10.12 | jelly-home | Xcerca: you'll want to create vmware guests and install other OSes inside those |
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| 19:10.19 | jelly-home | !vmware |
| 19:10.20 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
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| 19:10.54 | pgpkeys | i *think* he was asking if he could load up existing virtual disks |
| 19:11.21 | pgpkeys | which you can provided you tell vmware where they reside AND they were made with a supported version |
| 19:13.17 | jelly-home | oh |
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| 19:14.20 | Xcerca | cool, i'll try it out |
| 19:14.44 | pgpkeys | i forget where the menu file exists. /etc/vmware/ iirc. |
| 19:14.51 | pgpkeys | been awhile since i've hand modified |
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| 19:19.56 | Soskel | hi |
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| 19:20.08 | Soskel | what's the best ftp server to insall on debian? |
| 19:20.12 | ShiftOnYou | how do i mangae it that teamspeak server starts on boot? |
| 19:20.24 | jelly-home | !best |
| 19:20.24 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 19:20.38 | Soskel | well, what's most popular? |
| 19:20.52 | Soskel | suggestions? |
| 19:21.03 | jelly-home | Soskel: vsftpd or proftpd |
| 19:21.11 | Soskel | alrighty, thamnls |
| 19:21.25 | alturiak | vsftp is more secure, propftp has more features |
| 19:21.37 | jelly-home | the latter only if you need features not available in vsftpd, it has a history of security issues |
| 19:21.40 | alturiak | (as a general guideline ;-) |
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| 19:22.01 | maligor | and sftp is the allaround winner to the dreadful protocol that's ftp |
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| 19:22.10 | jelly-home | meh |
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| 19:22.39 | jelly-home | sftp eats precious cpu cycles |
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| 19:23.18 | maligor | yeah, if you want no cpu cycles eaten, just don't powerup the machine |
| 19:23.39 | jelly-home | I'd do that but the xustomers tend to complain |
| 19:23.47 | wols | jelly-home: null cipher |
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| 19:24.43 | esaym | is there an etch selinux howto anywhere? I see one for testing and unstable: http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
| 19:24.47 | Soskel | Jon:~# /sbin/service vsftpd stop |
| 19:24.47 | Soskel | -bash: /sbin/service: No such file or directory |
| 19:25.02 | jelly-home | Soskel: invoke-rc.d |
| 19:25.32 | Soskel | what is that? |
| 19:25.43 | Zenox | Upgraded Samba to version 3.0.28-2 on Lenny and after that transfers are dead slow (before 15-20 mb/s, now 0.5 mb/s). Anyone know if it's known or what it could be? |
| 19:25.48 | jelly-home | Soskel: what's /sbin/service? |
| 19:26.04 | Soskel | it's a ftp service |
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| 19:27.02 | Soskel | anyone? |
| 19:27.10 | jelly-home | Soskel: how did you come up with that "/sbin/service vsftpd stop" line? Debian does not have /sbin/service. |
| 19:27.14 | azeem | Soskel: there's no /sbin/service in Debian |
| 19:27.24 | Soskel | ohh |
| 19:27.28 | Soskel | on the help docs |
| 19:27.29 | Soskel | https://www.wideopen.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/ref-guide/s1-ftp-vsftpd-start.html |
| 19:27.38 | jelly-home | "RHEL-3" |
| 19:27.38 | azeem | Debian isn'T RHEL |
| 19:27.46 | Soskel | ? |
| 19:27.57 | azeem | Soskel: RHEL is Red Hat Enterprise Linux |
| 19:28.07 | Soskel | oh |
| 19:28.10 | azeem | I've no idea why you think a guide for RHEL would work on Debian |
| 19:28.11 | wheehat | I want to use another DNS then what is in the router so I change /etc/resolv.conf but when I restart the computer /etc/resolv.conf is reset. I do not want to use a static ip just want to specify the DNS and not use the router. Any ideas?? |
| 19:28.17 | Soskel | well, don't they have docs for debian? |
| 19:28.27 | jelly-home | "they"? |
| 19:28.29 | azeem | Soskel: in general, don't just blindly apply guides you find on the internet |
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| 19:29.34 | Soskel | I'll search more |
| 19:29.56 | jelly-home | Soskel: invoke-rc.d is a rough equivalent to rhel's service command |
| 19:30.15 | Soskel | I am in the config file |
| 19:30.24 | jetscreamer | how would one hook up a digital monitor with those weird coax plugs to a pc |
| 19:30.25 | Soskel | I don't know where to edit users |
| 19:30.33 | Soskel | so I can ftp to my server :) |
| 19:30.40 | jetscreamer | digital as in digital(tm) |
| 19:30.54 | jetscreamer | or R or c or whatever |
| 19:30.58 | jetscreamer | the company |
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| 19:31.27 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: I believe it's not tm, or R, or c, but "dead" |
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| 19:31.40 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 19:31.44 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 19:31.57 | maligor | YCbCr? |
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| 19:32.06 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: how old is it? |
| 19:32.07 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 19:32.12 | jetscreamer | i dunno that either |
| 19:32.21 | jetscreamer | i know it's on the floor of a garage |
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| 19:32.28 | jetscreamer | and it's big |
| 19:32.32 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:32.33 | maligor | oh, RGB probably |
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| 19:32.43 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: chances are it's an old fixed-sync rgb thing |
| 19:32.48 | jetscreamer | old |
| 19:32.53 | jetscreamer | ok heavy trash |
| 19:33.11 | techouse | i compiled gpac using the command memi@Satellite:~/Desktop/gpac/src$ sudo make CROSS=-i586-mingw32msvc- lib; now how i install it to mingw's libs? make install or something special? |
| 19:33.13 | jetscreamer | unless somebody wants it |
| 19:33.19 | jetscreamer | and want to pay shipping |
| 19:33.26 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:33.31 | maligor | probably shipping costs more than it's worth |
| 19:33.31 | jetscreamer | k thx |
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| 19:33.42 | jetscreamer | back to the drudgery |
| 19:34.02 | jetscreamer | i get to clean the house i'm moving into first, and then fix it, then move... joy |
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| 19:34.07 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 19:34.22 | pgpkeys | conrad107: it's usually the same in most rpm distros since they usually just repackage fedora with mods |
| 19:34.28 | pgpkeys | doh! apologies |
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| 19:35.10 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: you'd need to google for using fixed-sync monitors with a vga card (figure out its specs, prepare a modeline, figure out the hw connectors, hope) |
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| 19:42.50 | dirkso1 | Heyo all. Any chance there's some form of known bug that disallows mounting xfs file systems? I can create the damn thing fine, but I absolutely cannot mount it. |
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| 19:54.40 | simonrvn | ho9ly |
| 19:54.42 | pantos | hello |
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| 19:55.52 | xand | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing? |
| 19:55.52 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
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| 19:56.41 | pantos | I need something like the dpkg bot for work :) |
| 19:57.03 | pantos | dpkg-work> your file has not been retrieved due to lack of interest |
| 19:57.07 | xand | pantos: download it then |
| 19:57.20 | pantos | :=D |
| 19:57.33 | jelly-home | dpkg: what are you |
| 19:57.33 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 19:57.54 | pantos | groovius |
| 19:58.40 | jelly-home | dpkg, your factoids? |
| 19:58.40 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 20:00.15 | octox2 | what is the best Command line file searching prgram? |
| 20:00.34 | netdaemon | slocate |
| 20:00.34 | nux | find |
| 20:00.42 | gene2 | I'm trying to build a deb mplayer package on lenny (upgraded today) and I keep getting dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/libx264.so.58 (used by debian/mplayer/usr/bin/mplayer). |
| 20:00.50 | jelly-home | octox2: are you search for files, or their contents? |
| 20:01.00 | jelly-home | searching* |
| 20:01.06 | octox2 | just to see if a file exists |
| 20:01.31 | nux | slocate would probably be the best then |
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| 20:01.46 | jelly-home | octox2: locate's database is updated daily, use find if that's not good enough |
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| 20:02.03 | gene2 | you can update locate database by running updatedb |
| 20:02.05 | cook63 | Un Saluto a Tutte Le Anime! |
| 20:02.44 | CAiRO_ | is there a gnome applet to monitor network services.. like dns, smtp, web, ssh etc? |
| 20:02.44 | cook63 | Un Saluto a Tutte Le Anime! |
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| 20:02.44 | g-d | what do you mean with monitor? |
| 20:02.44 | cook63 | !list |
| 20:02.44 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to cook63 |
| 20:02.44 | g-d | in what way? |
| 20:02.54 | gene2 | how does dpkg-shlibdeps figure out that dependecy is missing? |
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| 20:03.21 | CAiRO_ | g-d: see if they're working (listening) |
| 20:03.24 | aiwita-salaita | http://luniita.myminicity.es/tra http://luniita.myminicity.es/tra http://luniita.myminicity.es/tra http://luniita.myminicity.es/tra http://luniita.myminicity.es/tra |
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| 20:03.35 | jelly-home | ffs |
| 20:04.03 | CAiRO_ | g-d: i've had the case where my dns service was down 2 weeks and i haven't noticed it because the secondary dns jumped in.. though, this wasn't ideal |
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| 20:07.26 | gene2 | I'm trying to build a deb mplayer package on lenny (upgraded today) and I keep getting dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/libx264.so.58 (used by debian/mplayer/usr/bin/mplayer). |
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| 20:08.33 | octox2 | if i install postfix, shouldnt i also have postfix-tls that is supposed to come with it? |
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| 20:10.33 | zeroC | ih |
| 20:10.35 | simonrvn | thanks tomaw |
| 20:10.35 | zeroC | hi |
| 20:10.46 | tomaw | np |
| 20:10.47 | zeroC | is the agpgart module removed from the kernel? |
| 20:11.02 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: there's a number of apps that monitor the hardware and services, report outages etc: nagios, mon, opennms... |
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| 20:11.48 | CAiRO_ | jelly: yeah, ok, i was looking for a gnome applet.. i've found one for nagios, so i'll try that, thanks |
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| 20:12.54 | jelly-home | I wouldn't trust an applet with my services. ;-) |
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| 20:19.43 | simonrvn | jelly-home, CAiRO_: no kidding. those applets are only there for info, not to outright monitor |
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| 20:21.04 | zeroC | Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices |
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| 20:21.24 | zeroC | what is this for an error? i get it if i want to start x |
| 20:21.25 | zeroC | :( |
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| 20:21.35 | zeroC | and i don't know what to do... |
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| 20:22.50 | jelly-home | zeroC: telling us which card, which driver, perhaps pastebinning /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log might yield in more help |
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| 20:23.47 | jelly-home | debian release used and versions of xserver-xorg and relevant driver package too |
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| 20:25.03 | simonrvn | jelly-home: ENOPARSE |
| 20:26.18 | simonrvn | oh. makes a bit more sense now |
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| 20:30.04 | djkrikke | foefn |
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| 20:31.41 | Soskel | hi |
| 20:31.50 | Soskel | what's the command to find apaches version? |
| 20:32.27 | g-d | dpkg --list|grep apache |
| 20:32.40 | djkrikke | oern |
| 20:32.41 | Soskel | yeah, I got it by going to a 404 page :) |
| 20:33.08 | Soskel | g-d: what's the command to update to the latest release? |
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| 20:33.26 | g-d | Soskel: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 20:33.31 | Soskel | thanks!@ |
| 20:33.32 | pgpkeys | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:33.37 | g-d | no |
| 20:33.40 | pgpkeys | ahh aptitude |
| 20:33.41 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I could use more verbs, but that wouldn't be as fun |
| 20:33.43 | g-d | don't dist-upgrade |
| 20:33.45 | g-d | just upgrade |
| 20:34.03 | satHan | with dist-upgrade you get to keep both pieces when things go south :-) |
| 20:34.29 | g-d | they dont |
| 20:34.31 | g-d | not in debian |
| 20:34.31 | pgpkeys | :shrug: I've used dist-upgrade for years. used to it |
| 20:34.37 | g-d | =D |
| 20:34.46 | Soskel | I just ran both those commands, but the 404 page still says apache1 :( |
| 20:34.54 | Soskel | http://clome.net/fwef |
| 20:34.58 | pgpkeys | you have to restart apache |
| 20:35.07 | pgpkeys | the daemon doesn't automatically get restarted |
| 20:35.15 | satHan | apt-get install apache2 also if you dont want 1 |
| 20:35.23 | satHan | i'm fairly sure its a different package |
| 20:35.27 | Soskel | I already restarted it :) |
| 20:35.58 | Soskel | I can just apt-get install apache2 ? That won't cause any problems? |
| 20:36.07 | pgpkeys | they are different packages. why it's installing apache1 I don't know |
| 20:36.22 | pgpkeys | thought it defaulted to 2 for like the last 3 releases |
| 20:36.29 | satHan | yeah same... *shrugs* |
| 20:37.02 | pgpkeys | apt-cache search apache2 and find the package name |
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| 20:37.22 | Gun_Smoke | Anyone else get this error from cnn.com/video ? The web browser you are using to view this video is not supported. Please use one of the supported browsers: |
| 20:37.30 | pgpkeys | uninstall the apache1 and then install apache2. you will have to convert sections of your httpd.conf as the syntax has changed |
| 20:37.47 | Soskel | what's the command to unistall? |
| 20:37.49 | Gun_Smoke | *http://www.cnn.com/video/ |
| 20:38.01 | Soskel | also, will it mess up my php installation ? |
| 20:38.14 | satHan | Soskel: apt-get remove apache and no it shouldn't |
| 20:38.22 | Soskel | thanks!! |
| 20:39.23 | Soskel | problem: http://texticle.net/1427 |
| 20:39.25 | Gun_Smoke | Geeze I mean to say anyone having problems viewing http://www.cnn.com/video/ using Iceweasel/2.0.0.12 ? Used to work just fine. |
| 20:39.44 | pgpkeys | to really clean up once you've copied over your httpd.conf to somewhere safe, do a dpkg --purge apache1 |
| 20:39.50 | pgpkeys | or whatever the package name was |
| 20:39.56 | enouf | Gun_Smoke: i don't even have to check, i'm certain my browsers are unsupported by maniacal lunatic sheeple |
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| 20:40.20 | Soskel | anyone? |
| 20:40.33 | simonrvn | jelly-home: hehehe |
| 20:40.42 | enouf | doesn't mean i can't grab the video and play it (though i'm not trying atm - the youtubular crap i know by heart though) |
| 20:40.55 | pgpkeys | uhhh it's pretty self explanitory Soskel. the config file isn't there |
| 20:41.11 | pgpkeys | usually it's a symlink aka apache2.conf <-> httpd.conf |
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| 20:41.26 | Soskel | right, but how come there isn't a config file? |
| 20:41.31 | Soskel | there should be one? |
| 20:41.35 | enouf | there is |
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| 20:41.41 | Soskel | ?? |
| 20:41.47 | enouf | man a2enmod also |
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| 20:42.06 | enouf | a2 is modular, no more httpd.conf |
| 20:42.11 | pgpkeys | ls /etc/apache2/ |
| 20:42.37 | pgpkeys | wtf?? who the heck puts musak on a paste sharing site? |
| 20:42.38 | pgpkeys | wow |
| 20:42.49 | Soskel | pgpkeys: done |
| 20:43.01 | Soskel | apache2.conf envvars mods-enabled sites-available |
| 20:43.01 | Soskel | conf.d mods-available ports.conf sites-enabled |
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| 20:43.49 | enouf | many a2 modules start with libapache2-mod-name kinda dealio (likely not even relevant) |
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| 20:44.16 | Soskel | ??? |
| 20:44.25 | Soskel | how can I get apache working? |
| 20:44.26 | pgpkeys | notice you have no httpd.conf which is what it's bitching about |
| 20:44.45 | enouf | hit it with a hammer? |
| 20:44.57 | Soskel | pgpkeys: how can I fix it? |
| 20:45.02 | Soskel | besides hitting ot |
| 20:45.08 | pgpkeys | modify the line for httpd.conf (if you're not going to modularize and put custom command sets in there) and comment it out |
| 20:45.17 | simonrvn | pgpkeys: and? that's just used for local mods |
| 20:45.23 | simonrvn | ...in debian |
| 20:45.23 | pgpkeys | simonrvn: see my comment |
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| 20:45.38 | jelly-home | cd /etc/apache; ln -s apache2.conf httpd.conf ? |
| 20:45.43 | pgpkeys | the file doesn't exist at all. he could 'touch' one but he doesn't need it |
| 20:45.48 | simonrvn | that's what i'm commenting on ;) |
| 20:46.00 | pgpkeys | jelly-home: not that I know of. it's usually just for additional mods you want to load |
| 20:46.09 | pgpkeys | or use for say virtual hosts |
| 20:46.19 | Soskel | ok, I did that jelly-home |
| 20:46.43 | pgpkeys | it's probably going to double load (or attempt to do so) |
| 20:46.48 | Soskel | pgpkeys: what line should I comment out? |
| 20:46.54 | jelly-home | Soskel: uh, don't. rm it. you could just touch it and make it an empty file I guess. |
| 20:47.14 | Soskel | jelly-home: what file do you want to me remove |
| 20:47.15 | pgpkeys | Soskel: actually, you can just do a touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 20:47.32 | pgpkeys | rm /etc/apache2/httpd.conf && touche /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 20:47.34 | enouf | where is your httpd.conf? your symlink needs to point there, full path |
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| 20:47.49 | Soskel | wow! |
| 20:47.51 | Soskel | it worked! |
| 20:47.54 | Soskel | thanks a ton!! |
| 20:48.10 | enouf | touché |
| 20:48.10 | Soskel | give me your paypal address'! |
| 20:48.14 | enouf | ;-) |
| 20:48.14 | pgpkeys | enouf: hehe |
| 20:48.22 | g-d | Soskel: okay! |
| 20:48.24 | g-d | msg! |
| 20:48.33 | simonrvn | ugh, paypal |
| 20:48.43 | jelly-home | it's convenient |
| 20:48.59 | simonrvn | like an 8th hole in the head |
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| 20:50.26 | Soskel | hmmm |
| 20:50.28 | Soskel | http://clome.net/apache2-default/ |
| 20:50.31 | Soskel | keeps redirecting there |
| 20:51.20 | simonrvn | it's your default site |
| 20:51.42 | pgpkeys | modify the main site's DocumentRoot |
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| 20:52.17 | Soskel | I did |
| 20:52.42 | simonrvn | jelly-home: i just don't like anything like that. and yes, it's true it is convenient, and i do have one (long story...), but i don't like having it. |
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| 20:53.05 | pgpkeys | apachectl restart (current debian still uses apachectl correct?) |
| 20:53.14 | pgpkeys | (I've no debian instalation here so I'm unsure) |
| 20:53.21 | simonrvn | apache2ctl, better to use the init script |
| 20:53.30 | Soskel | view-source:http://clome.net/index.html |
| 20:53.31 | Soskel | see |
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| 20:53.41 | simonrvn | it takes care of things like ssl and other things properly |
| 20:53.47 | pgpkeys | ahh |
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| 20:54.24 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I like being able to easily send money to some starving :-) webcomic artist in .mx |
| 20:54.29 | simonrvn | even better is to use invoke-rc.d it (supposedly) cleans up environment variables |
| 20:54.47 | simonrvn | jelly-home: hehe :). |
| 20:55.52 | pgpkeys | forgive where i fuck up in directions. I'm doing it all out of my head :/ |
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| 20:56.06 | Soskel | I don't get it |
| 20:56.19 | Soskel | http://clome.net/index.html works,. but http://clome.net doesn't |
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| 20:58.30 | pgpkeys | Soskel: here, use this http://www.debianadmin.com/apache2-installation-and-configuration-with-php-support-in-debian-linux.html |
| 20:59.01 | jelly-home | Soskel: um, "It works!" |
| 20:59.05 | pgpkeys | If you want to allow the different index files types check for the following line in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf file DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml index.shtml |
| 20:59.23 | Soskel | thank you guys so much for the help |
| 20:59.25 | pgpkeys | then restart the server process |
| 21:00.05 | octox2 | when apt gives suggested packages to install after you select a certain package, is there a way to get it to install the requested package and also all of the packages that it recommends ? |
| 21:01.20 | pgpkeys | octox2: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 21:01.23 | Soskel | Not starting apache2 - edit /etc/default/apache2 and change NO_START to be 0. |
| 21:01.26 | Soskel | ??!? |
| 21:02.20 | Soskel | oh, I got it |
| 21:03.16 | Soskel | jelly-home: can you help with the "it works" issue? |
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| 21:04.34 | pgpkeys | you'd have to use aptitude to install the recommended packages as well |
| 21:04.41 | pgpkeys | footnote 6 |
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| 21:05.42 | Placid | anyone else experiencing strange issues with their laptop mouse pointer from the latest xorg? |
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| 21:05.52 | Placid | clicking is a major issue. it's registering two events |
| 21:05.58 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 21:06.02 | jelly-home | Soskel: have you looked at the default virtual host? |
| 21:06.05 | octox2 | pgpkeys: using dselect right :) |
| 21:06.11 | octox2 | pgpkeys: going to try now |
| 21:06.23 | Soskel | jelly-home: no, where can I get a glance? |
| 21:06.42 | takedown | hi, can someone say something about debian-hardened project? It's dead? |
| 21:06.54 | simonrvn | /etc/apache2/sites-available/* |
| 21:06.59 | jelly-home | Soskel: debian puts virtual host definitions there |
| 21:07.03 | thiagomz | Hi guys, how can i remover a file with this name --xxxx |
| 21:07.33 | Soskel | ??? |
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| 21:07.38 | Soskel | where is the documentroot? |
| 21:07.44 | simonrvn | quote it or escape the - |
| 21:07.47 | pgpkeys | apt-get install aptitude aptitude-doc-en && aptitude |
| 21:07.52 | simonrvn | or use -- |
| 21:08.04 | simonrvn | man rm |
| 21:08.09 | jelly-home | Soskel: where did you put your virtualhost definition? |
| 21:08.37 | Soskel | jelly-home: I didn't put anything anywhere regarding virtualhost definitions |
| 21:08.40 | pgpkeys | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/rn01re01.html for the commandline reference |
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| 21:09.34 | jelly-home | Soskel: there is one virtualhost enabled by default. You'll want to make a copy of that file, then enable your own and disable the default virtualhost |
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| 21:09.56 | Soskel | jelly-home: can I just edit the virtualhost |
| 21:10.09 | Soskel | the default one |
| 21:10.13 | jelly-home | Soskel: yes, but I'd advise against it |
| 21:10.28 | Soskel | is it a lot to create a new virtual host, and make changes? |
| 21:10.40 | pgpkeys | nope. and apache.org shows how |
| 21:10.59 | jelly-home | copy the file, and use a2ensite to enable it, a2dissite to disable the default |
| 21:11.13 | Soskel | hmmm |
| 21:11.14 | Soskel | links? |
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| 21:11.30 | jelly-home | pgpkeys: apache.org does not tell about debian's idiosyncracies (sp?) |
| 21:11.43 | octox2 | pgpkeys: does synaptic somehow use dselect as a backend or is it tolally different? |
| 21:11.44 | Placid | I'm having trouble using my mouse pointer/trackpad on my Thinkpad X31. The latest Xorg upgrade as cause it to double-click when single left clicking etc. Anyone else experiencing this? I'm using Debian Sid |
| 21:12.20 | pgpkeys | jelly-home: ehh, if he leaves the default VH alone and makes another one the docs there will work just fine. |
| 21:12.29 | jelly-home | Soskel: start by reading /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian |
| 21:12.41 | pgpkeys | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.44 | Soskel | will do |
| 21:12.48 | Soskel | thanks a ton!!!! |
| 21:12.49 | pgpkeys | guh, you quick freakin typers |
| 21:13.24 | jelly-home | Soskel: in general, you'll always want to check out /usr/share/doc/package/ first, esp. NEWS.Debian and README.Debian |
| 21:13.29 | simonrvn | octox2: no |
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| 21:14.17 | pgpkeys | simonrvn: thanks. missed his question in the traffic |
| 21:14.29 | Soskel | jelly-home: I just read that entire file |
| 21:14.33 | jelly-home | pgpkeys: using tab for great justice |
| 21:14.36 | simonrvn | :) |
| 21:14.37 | Soskel | nothing I need really |
| 21:14.39 | pgpkeys | jelly-home: hehe |
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| 21:16.17 | cjsstables | hey all, I'm haveing some trouble installing exaile or amarok. I'm using debian testing release. there are issues with dependencies gamin. can anyone help here |
| 21:16.18 | pgpkeys | Soskel: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/ describes how to do what you want. just pay attention to what you're doing |
| 21:16.32 | Soskel | alrighty |
| 21:16.32 | jelly-home | Soskel: it tells you where to put your virtualhosts, how to enable them, etc. If you'd read that before this channel wouldn't have needed to explain it again. Hopefully. |
| 21:16.47 | pgpkeys | as jelly-home said, there are debian things that need to be done so read what he told you to |
| 21:16.47 | Soskel | :) |
| 21:17.08 | Soskel | wait |
| 21:17.15 | Soskel | why do I need to change my virtual hosts? |
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| 21:17.23 | portager | hello |
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| 21:17.39 | portager | how can I put some modules to load on boot? |
| 21:17.44 | pgpkeys | cjsstables: since it's testing you can probably expect things to break. sounds like both those packages haven't had their deps updated yet |
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| 21:19.01 | cjsstables | ok thanks. so how do I back upto etch? |
| 21:19.16 | pgpkeys | iirc aren't they loaded these days via /etc/init.d/mdules.init? |
| 21:19.34 | pgpkeys | err modules.init even |
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| 21:19.52 | Soskel | ??? |
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| 21:20.12 | jelly-home | Soskel: you want to set up at least one virtualhost. You could do without even one, but then you'd need to change global apache settings, and then when you decide you want to host another site, or set up https, you'd need to set up virtualhosts again. |
| 21:20.17 | Ace2016 | wols: remember my numlock issue, i want to stop crying and fix it with a software mod of how numlock, do you know a program that allows me to send key strokes to xorg? |
| 21:20.29 | Ace2016 | something like what setleds +num does |
| 21:20.38 | Soskel | ahh |
| 21:20.40 | Soskel | alrighty |
| 21:21.23 | jelly-home | Soskel: this is why debian already has one virtualhost by default, and basically you don't have to touch apache2.conf manually at all. |
| 21:21.36 | pgpkeys | cjsstables: well usually that is done via a reinstall because package names may change etc etc. which is why it's not good to mix releases. |
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| 21:21.46 | simonrvn | Ace2016: turn it off in bios |
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| 21:21.59 | Ace2016 | simonrvn: turn what off in bios? |
| 21:22.03 | pgpkeys | just simply editing apt.conf and changing testing to stable doesn't always work right |
| 21:22.18 | simonrvn | numlock |
| 21:22.19 | pgpkeys | and you can end up with a broken box. (didn't mean that as 2 lines, accidently hit return) |
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| 21:23.01 | Ace2016 | simonrvn: trust me, its complicated, this is a hp system with a messed up bios, the bios doesn't even know that the nvidia card has shared memory, the options simply doesn't show up, i've upgraded the bios but no luck |
| 21:23.34 | simonrvn | Ace2016: my condolences |
| 21:23.36 | solar_sea | debian lenny i386, i'm using xmms for playing audio files. Whenever I try to install a plugin like say xmms-infopipe I get "xmms-infopipe: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not going to be installed". A try to install "libglib1.2" will remove xmms itself. should a bug be filled about this ? |
| 21:23.57 | Soskel | I am going to read this. thank you so much jelly-home and pgpkeys and everyone else |
| 21:24.00 | simonrvn | the xmms stuff needs updates... |
| 21:24.23 | Supaplex | Ace2016: I have the same problem. stupid hp :P |
| 21:24.28 | Ace2016 | only problem that i care about is the numlock, with numlock off i type like this, w5th n4036c2 6n 5 ty*e 352e th5s, so in short i have to send it off for however many weeks it takes to get hp to repair it |
| 21:24.38 | Ace2016 | Supaplex: what problem? |
| 21:24.47 | dreamchild | anyone know time of new phrack release? |
| 21:24.54 | Supaplex | Ace2016: onboard memory cleptomaniac of an hp system |
| 21:24.55 | Soskel | jelly-home and pgpkeys and anyone else: if you give me your paypal adress...... |
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| 21:25.18 | pgpkeys | I don't use paypal |
| 21:25.20 | Ace2016 | Supaplex: and that means? |
| 21:25.22 | Ace2016 | i use paypal |
| 21:25.27 | YahooLaptop | Do i use Amd64 for Intels 64bit? |
| 21:25.42 | Ace2016 | YahooLaptop: yea you can |
| 21:25.51 | pgpkeys | stick 40 bucks in an envelope and mail it to me :) |
| 21:25.52 | jelly-home | Soskel: I can't accept paypal anyway. Give the bucks to SPI, or your favourite charity or whatever. |
| 21:26.01 | Soskel | :) |
| 21:26.05 | Ace2016 | pgpkeys: why do you want 40 bucks? |
| 21:26.15 | pgpkeys | Ace2016: was kidding with him |
| 21:26.20 | Ace2016 | oh ok |
| 21:26.29 | YahooLaptop | Ace2016 - when you say, i "can" do, is there a better choice for 64bit linux with intel hardware? |
| 21:26.35 | Supaplex | Ace2016: SAME HERE. 20:16 < Ace2016> simonrvn: trust me, its complicated, this is a hp system with a messed up bios, the bios doesn't even know that the nvidia card has shared memory, the options simply |
| 21:26.39 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.58 | pgpkeys | dude, I'm on IRC. I don't charge for assistance unless I actually log into a box to fix something. and even then it's RARE that I ever ask for cash and mean it |
| 21:26.58 | Ace2016 | i have a dv9562ea |
| 21:27.01 | jelly-home | Ace2016: which machine is it? I wouldn't buy it anyway, but... |
| 21:27.07 | maligor | YahooLaptop, you can run i386 on it also |
| 21:27.23 | simonrvn | pgpkeys: woot :) |
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| 21:27.47 | Ace2016 | i upgraded the ram to 4GB just to add more to the graphics card since i run xgl + compiz fusion, but i can't find the option anywhere |
| 21:27.52 | pgpkeys | well unless the person's a complete and utter moron :) |
| 21:27.53 | cjsstables | <pgpkeys> looks like I found the problem for Amarok. had to install several libraries. |
| 21:27.53 | YahooLaptop | maligor - that wouldnt be very 64bit though |
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| 21:28.02 | simonrvn | pgpkeys: i'm old fashioned in some ways, that being one of them. my isp has a paypal and cc, i pay by postal money order ;) |
| 21:28.03 | pgpkeys | cjsstables: excellent |
| 21:28.07 | maligor | YahooLaptop, it'd be very 32bit :P |
| 21:28.18 | pgpkeys | simonrvn: my preference :) |
| 21:28.21 | YahooLaptop | not very good when i want to use my 4gb memory :p |
| 21:28.28 | jescis | pgpkeys: I hear you. I run the same way. |
| 21:28.36 | pgpkeys | then I'm not subject to paypal's idiotic rulesets |
| 21:28.38 | maligor | 4gb shouldn't be a problem for i386 |
| 21:28.48 | jelly-home | YahooLaptop: i386 distro and an amd64 kernel! |
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| 21:28.55 | Ace2016 | YahooLaptop: no need to go 64bit for 4gb, just install the i686 kernels with -bigmem at the end |
| 21:29.01 | cjsstables | does anyone have a comment when comparing amarok with exaile. which is the prefered? |
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| 21:29.09 | simonrvn | pgpkeys: yeh same here. i don't even bill the students i admin their boxen sometimes |
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| 21:29.15 | YahooLaptop | hmm, well its a server anyway so unless theres something wrong with amd64 :p |
| 21:29.20 | Ace2016 | YahooLaptop: they support up to 64GB so it shouldn't be a problem, and no need to upgrade to amd64 |
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| 21:29.46 | maligor | YahooLaptop, well, amd64 is pretty solid now, i386 is better tested tho |
| 21:29.57 | Ace2016 | oh if its a server then go for it, i stay on 32bit simply because i wasn't confident enough to install flash |
| 21:30.05 | Supaplex | amd64 a problem? ship it to me! :) I <3's em |
| 21:30.20 | cjsstables | I'm running amd64 and it is excellent. |
| 21:30.33 | YahooLaptop | it just seems odd to call it "amd64" when it runs on both :s |
| 21:30.33 | pgpkeys | simonrvn: hehe. I've forgotten more than I remember with linux in general, so it's always great to pass on the knowledge first hand. I get more of a kick out of solving a problem than I do getting paid for having done so. I'm not altruistic, don't get me wrong. I just can't see charging for something that normally is just a quick fix |
| 21:30.37 | cjsstables | It is noticabley faster |
| 21:30.38 | maligor | yeah, I have amd64 on a desktop with a intel core2duo |
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| 21:30.48 | maligor | cjsstables, heh, I won't buy that |
| 21:31.00 | maligor | it's at best, slightly faster |
| 21:31.01 | jelly-home | YahooLaptop: amd was there first |
| 21:31.11 | cjsstables | mine is on a dual opterons |
| 21:31.27 | Ace2016 | ok i'm going to chat with hp suppor |
| 21:31.27 | Ace2016 | t |
| 21:31.30 | pgpkeys | actually 4GB of RAM in an i386 machine is slower access wise than 3GB is due to memory maps and segmentation |
| 21:31.43 | Ace2016 | wha wait a sec? |
| 21:31.44 | maligor | YahooLaptop, there's i386 also |
| 21:31.45 | jelly-home | pgpkeys: i386 + amd64 kernel! |
| 21:31.45 | Ace2016 | really? |
| 21:31.51 | Ace2016 | how much slower? |
| 21:31.52 | pgpkeys | jelly-home: Ohhhhhh |
| 21:32.02 | maligor | YahooLaptop, ie, why is it called i386 if it runs on all x86? |
| 21:32.03 | pgpkeys | Ace2016: depends on the applications in use |
| 21:32.06 | Athas | So... I'm using Xinerama and the proprietary FireGL-driver for my ATI graphics card. Is it impossible to get 3D-acceleration on my secondary monitor? I could accept having 3D-acceleration solely on that monitor, if necessary. |
| 21:32.08 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6-amd64 etch |
| 21:32.13 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-amd64: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 21:32.16 | cjsstables | I notice the speed difference on booting. |
| 21:32.18 | YahooLaptop | why not just x86 and x86-64 :p |
| 21:32.21 | pgpkeys | maligor: because i386 is Intel's nomenclature |
| 21:32.22 | Guerin | Athas: ask #ati |
| 21:32.23 | jelly-home | ^^ that's on i386 distr |
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| 21:32.33 | Ace2016 | compiz-fusion and xgl are pretty much running all the time, and i really really really really really HATE it when they lagg, even a tiny bit |
| 21:32.38 | pgpkeys | it's basically historical |
| 21:32.45 | Athas | Guerin: oh, didn't know that existed, thank you. |
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| 21:33.12 | maligor | YahooLaptop, there's no such a architechture as x86-64 however :P |
| 21:33.14 | Guerin | Ace2016: sucks to be using compiss then |
| 21:33.19 | Ace2016 | nope |
| 21:33.20 | maligor | it's x86_64 |
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| 21:33.54 | pgpkeys | amd64 is AMD's implementation of 64bit vs. ia64 which is Intel's |
| 21:34.06 | Ace2016 | Guerin: Xgl makes it fast, it only laggs with plain old xorg, don't think it uses the graphics power as well as xg |
| 21:34.13 | jelly-home | maligor: kernel architectures and distro architectures need not be named the same |
| 21:34.21 | maligor | pgpkeys, that's somewhat misleading way of putting it |
| 21:34.30 | pgpkeys | AMD64 is what's generally implemented since the instruction set is quicker than Intel's implementation |
| 21:34.36 | pgpkeys | maligor: ehh not really |
| 21:34.41 | maligor | EM64T is intels implementation of x86_64 |
| 21:34.47 | pgpkeys | x86_64 doesn't even exist |
| 21:34.52 | Xttor | Anyone wanna explain how to block an user from doing anything but reading their own homefolder? Not even read anything else.. |
| 21:34.54 | Ace2016 | pgpkeys: how do you even know that? |
| 21:34.55 | pgpkeys | IA64 is the actual |
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| 21:35.03 | jelly-home | pgpkeys: nope. ia64 is itanium |
| 21:35.11 | pgpkeys | Ace2016: err? know what? i read a lot |
| 21:35.20 | Ace2016 | perhaps too much |
| 21:35.26 | maligor | pgpkeys, x86_64 is the similar naming as x86 |
| 21:35.27 | simonrvn | pgpkeys: yeh, really. often it's just the network not coming up properly, or some such stup[itidyD[D[D[D[D[D[4~[4~ (lagging hard) |
| 21:35.28 | Ace2016 | na only kidding, i should read more too |
| 21:35.31 | pgpkeys | jelly-home: err thats correct :) sorry |
| 21:35.40 | jescis | Xttor: permissions. chmod |
| 21:35.43 | jelly-home | pgpkeys: x86_64 is a valid kernel arch |
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| 21:35.46 | maligor | pgpkeys, IA64 is Itanium, it's Dead. |
| 21:35.56 | jelly-home | maligor: it's just resting |
| 21:36.03 | pgpkeys | nomenclature mismatch :) |
| 21:36.05 | Xttor | jescis: k, im not too good at debian yet. could you explain it to me+ |
| 21:36.06 | Xttor | ?* |
| 21:36.06 | pgpkeys | pebkac |
| 21:36.06 | maligor | x86_64 is also the official name assigned to it by AMD |
| 21:36.19 | maligor | AMD64 is the implementation |
| 21:36.20 | Ace2016 | why didn't they just say X172??? |
| 21:36.31 | Soskel | need some quick help |
| 21:36.32 | Soskel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.39 | Soskel | what should that be? |
| 21:37.06 | Soskel | in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 21:37.15 | Soskel | jelly-home: I only have one domain name |
| 21:37.19 | pgpkeys | maligor: uhh no, it's been renamed to specificly AMD64 |
| 21:37.21 | jescis | !tell Xttor about permissions |
| 21:37.27 | Soskel | I just want my site up :) |
| 21:37.28 | pgpkeys | x86_64 is no longer used |
| 21:37.35 | maligor | pgpkeys, you're mixing it with x86-64 |
| 21:37.45 | maligor | x86-64 isn't used |
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| 21:38.01 | pgpkeys | x86-64 was designed by AMD, who have since renamed it AMD64. It has been cloned by Intel under the name Intel 64 (formerly known as EM64T among other names).[1] This leads to the common use of the names x86-64 or x64 as more vendor-neutral terms to collectively refer to the two nearly identical implementations. |
| 21:38.13 | Soskel | ????? |
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| 21:38.36 | maligor | pgpkeys, heh, wikipedia eh |
| 21:38.46 | Ace2016 | nearly identical? |
| 21:38.49 | jelly-home | Soskel: cp 000-default your-domain; edit your-domain; a2dissite 000-default; a2ensite your-domain |
| 21:38.53 | Ace2016 | aren't they the same?# |
| 21:38.56 | pgpkeys | see ftp://download.intel.com/technology/architecture/new-instructions-paper.pdf and http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/24593.pdf |
| 21:39.02 | pgpkeys | maligor: damn skippy |
| 21:39.03 | Soskel | jelly-home: !?!? |
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| 21:39.09 | pgpkeys | wikimedia is freakin awesome |
| 21:39.16 | jelly-home | Soskel: eloquent |
| 21:39.21 | Soskel | what? |
| 21:39.26 | pgpkeys | hell I can sit all day reading through that site. amazing amount of information at hand |
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| 21:39.46 | jelly-home | Soskel: oh, sorry. |
| 21:39.55 | jelly-home | Soskel: just comment out that redirect |
| 21:40.02 | Soskel | ahh |
| 21:40.04 | Soskel | thanks!!! |
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| 21:40.27 | pgpkeys | I'm an information junkie (which explains why I get things wrong sometimes since it's information overlad hehe) |
| 21:40.31 | maligor | pgpkeys, who cares, I'd have to look up a lot to find where the x86_64, x86-64, amd64 issue was referred to |
| 21:40.34 | pgpkeys | err overload |
| 21:40.37 | maligor | and it's not that important |
| 21:40.43 | jelly-home | Soskel: you could just copy the file and leave the 000-default alone |
| 21:40.52 | pgpkeys | maligor: true |
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| 21:41.03 | Soskel | jelly-home: I can do that!?!? I am doing that right now!! |
| 21:41.06 | Soskel | thanks a ton! |
| 21:41.11 | pgpkeys | just call it x64 and be safe :) |
| 21:41.16 | Soskel | I didn't think I would do that |
| 21:41.22 | Soskel | I thought that file was for apache |
| 21:41.29 | maligor | pgpkeys, but x64 < x86! |
| 21:41.40 | pgpkeys | err? |
| 21:41.52 | maligor | 86 x's is bound to be better than only 64 x's |
| 21:41.53 | pgpkeys | 64 bit < 32 bit? |
| 21:41.57 | pgpkeys | hahahaha |
| 21:42.07 | pgpkeys | doh! gotten! |
| 21:42.11 | Xttor | okay, im not good enough to understand the link i got, jescis. could you explain how to chmod an user to only be able to read one file? |
| 21:42.35 | jelly-home | Soskel: go to ../sites-available, make your own copy of default and edit that one; that's what I'd do |
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| 21:43.02 | jescis | you have any unix/linux books? |
| 21:43.05 | jelly-home | Soskel: then use a2ensite and a2dissite to disable the default and enable your site |
| 21:43.10 | Xttor | jescis: no |
| 21:43.18 | jescis | hhmmm. |
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| 21:43.31 | pgpkeys | more i watch jelly-home the more I'm understanding just how long it's been since I've run debian and how out of date my info is |
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| 21:43.56 | pgpkeys | (plus I don't always do things the "Debian Way (Tm)" |
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| 21:44.04 | Xttor | jescis: i know pretty much about chmod, but how do i make an user only to be able to read from ONE directory? |
| 21:45.33 | jelly-home | pgpkeys: apache package has some nice tools, but thankfully no one forces you to use them |
| 21:45.52 | Xttor | so do I :( |
| 21:45.53 | jelly-home | !help jescis |
| 21:46.02 | jelly-home | dpkg, you suck |
| 21:46.03 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 21:46.27 | pgpkeys | jelly-home: hehe |
| 21:46.52 | Xttor | lol |
| 21:46.57 | pgpkeys | even uder debian, i still acted like i was running a slack or lfs |
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| 21:53.59 | pgpkeys | damn, been pissin like an irish racehorse all day. too much beer |
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| 21:55.02 | g-d | what good TODO-program is there in debian? |
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| 21:55.07 | g-d | text based |
| 21:55.16 | pgpkeys | vim ~/TODO |
| 21:55.17 | g-d | something to handle daily tasks etc |
| 21:55.29 | g-d | yeah, but isn't there anything a bit better? |
| 21:55.43 | g-d | i'm tired of vi TODO |
| 21:55.43 | pgpkeys | echo "Feed the cat" >> ~/TODO |
| 21:55.44 | pgpkeys | hehe |
| 21:55.46 | g-d | haha |
| 21:55.59 | jescis | the only thing I can think of is to change the permissions to each folder independantly. And I myself don't know whether you have two or more users other than root :/ |
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| 21:58.26 | pgpkeys | g-d: check out http://todotxt.com/ |
| 21:58.28 | jelly-home | g-d: apt-cache search todo | grep -v ^phpgroupware ? |
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| 22:01.25 | Xttor | jescis: you should ;) |
| 22:01.35 | jelly-home | Xttor: a shell user needs to be able to run programs as well. Since those are not in his home, he needs access to those. |
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| 22:01.53 | YahooLaptop | hmm, my debian CD is stopping on "Detect Disks" |
| 22:02.09 | YahooLaptop | the bar zips past and then it sits on the blue screen thing (With the grey bar at the bottom) |
| 22:02.17 | Xttor | well, he's only gonna be able to connect to this computer and read from the folder |
| 22:02.25 | jelly-home | Xttor: if the user only has ftp access, you can use chroot |
| 22:03.25 | Ace2016 | wols: is there any way to configure the keyboard in xorg? |
| 22:04.07 | jelly-home | Xttor: that is, set up the ftp service to chroot the user, restricting the access only to ~ |
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| 22:05.39 | Xttor | jelly-home: SSH, not FTP |
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| 22:06.57 | johndbritton | hey all, anyone know of a good _simple_ server monitoring tool? I've got a number of machines that I want to keep an eye on load/bandwidth etc |
| 22:07.28 | pgpkeys | mrtg |
| 22:08.04 | jelly-home | Xttor: does it need to be ssh, if you only need access to some files? |
| 22:08.18 | pgpkeys | jk. use nagios. its more than fairly easy to use |
| 22:08.21 | g-d | devtodo > * |
| 22:08.25 | g-d | what a nifty tool! |
| 22:08.51 | jescis | devtod? |
| 22:08.55 | jescis | hhmmm |
| 22:09.00 | jelly-home | Xttor: there are some restricted shells that only allow scp/sftp. I don't know how good those are. |
| 22:09.17 | g-d | todo - a reminder/task program aimed at developers |
| 22:09.36 | pgpkeys | you can also see http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch22_:_Monitoring_Server_Performance for more info |
| 22:10.08 | johndbritton | pgpkeys: thanks |
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| 22:13.08 | johndbritton | for some reason aptitude is segfaulting seemingly randomly |
| 22:13.13 | pgpkeys | welcome |
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| 22:13.41 | johndbritton | "Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.." "Segmentation fault" |
| 22:14.01 | jescis | Wow o.O |
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| 22:21.33 | YahooLaptop | What drivers does the Intel ICH9R need? Debian isnt detecting it :s |
| 22:22.41 | jelly-home | YahooLaptop: try using installation media with newer kernels, /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 22:24.58 | Xttor | jelly-home: i havent got any ftp stuff |
| 22:25.05 | Xttor | so it'd be easier with ssh |
| 22:25.21 | jelly-home | Xttor: scp and sftp ARE ssh features |
| 22:25.28 | Xttor | oh. |
| 22:26.06 | Igneous | bash is so awesome |
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| 22:26.22 | Igneous | whoa, wrong channel.. my bad |
| 22:26.30 | Xttor | jelly-home: so, got any tips or exact instructions of how to do? ;P |
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| 22:26.48 | jescis | Igneous: it's still used here though |
| 22:27.19 | Igneous | Oh, I figured #debian was kind-of more supported oriented. |
| 22:27.28 | jescis | although some might like tcsh or zsh :/ |
| 22:27.32 | YahooLapto1 | Im trying to install Debian with the ICH9R chipset, but its not detecting the SATA HDD's - what gives :s |
| 22:27.42 | jelly-home | Xttor: nope, sorry. google, apt-cache search ssh restrict and go from there |
| 22:28.00 | Xttor | jelly-home: thanks anyways |
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| 22:28.13 | jelly-home | Xttor: like I said, I haven't tried any of those (rssh, scponly...) |
| 22:28.28 | Xttor | ok :P |
| 22:29.29 | jelly-home | Igneous: we could have had such a great shell flamewar! |
| 22:29.45 | jescis | Igneous: we help in anything debian linux and general linux things |
| 22:29.56 | jelly-home | jescis: nope, only debian |
| 22:30.40 | jescis | well alot of commands are independant of debian |
| 22:30.44 | jelly-home | jescis: if it's not available in the distro, or not a debian-specific issue, it's not topical |
| 22:30.47 | Igneous | jelly-home: the only thing i feel passionately about is debian, gentoo, and gnu nano |
| 22:30.56 | Xttor | uhm, how do I unpack .tar.gz? :P |
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| 22:31.17 | Igneous | Xttor: tar xzfv file.tar.gz |
| 22:31.53 | Xttor | tar: v: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 22:32.05 | fsmunoz | zxvf |
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| 22:32.23 | Xttor | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 22:32.27 | fsmunoz | The "f" needs the filename immediatly following |
| 22:32.32 | jelly-home | YahooLapto1: dunno if you've seen this, so I'm repeating: try using installation media with newer kernels, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 22:32.48 | Xttor | tar -zxvf FretsOnFire-1.2.512-linux.tar.gz |
| 22:32.50 | jelly-home | fsmunoz: it doesn't really |
| 22:32.50 | fsmunoz | Xttor: what's the name of the file? |
| 22:32.58 | jescis | jelly-home: I have a book on unix and the commands are in all distros I've used. |
| 22:33.00 | fsmunoz | jelly-home: it doesn't? Ok then, my mistake |
| 22:33.01 | Xttor | fsmunoz: ^ |
| 22:33.12 | fsmunoz | Xttor: file <name of file> |
| 22:33.25 | roxazer | why do i get this? |
| 22:33.27 | roxazer | # ntpd -d |
| 22:33.27 | roxazer | listening on 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:33.27 | roxazer | fatal: bind: Address already in use |
| 22:33.27 | roxazer | dispatch_imsg in main: pipe closed |
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| 22:33.41 | Xttor | FretsOnFire-1.2.512-linux.tar.gz: HTML document text |
| 22:33.49 | fsmunoz | Xttor: there is is then |
| 22:33.51 | jelly-home | Xttor: that's not a .tar.gz |
| 22:33.53 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: because you already have an ntp running. |
| 22:33.58 | Xttor | aaaah. |
| 22:34.06 | Xttor | maybe i downloaded wrong :P |
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| 22:34.33 | jescis | lol, it happens >_< |
| 22:34.56 | jelly-home | Xttor: or the server gave you some apology in html instead of the real file |
| 22:35.03 | YahooLapto1 | jelly-home - thanks |
| 22:35.06 | Xttor | yeah, i used save-as on a link :P |
| 22:35.12 | YahooLapto1 | jelly-home - looking into that now |
| 22:35.13 | roxazer | dondelelcaro: i removed all files with ntpd in their name and installed openntpd, i get tha same message |
| 22:35.37 | Xttor | thought it was a liiiiittle to small :P |
| 22:35.39 | roxazer | with aptitude remove ntpd |
| 22:35.48 | YahooLapto1 | jelly-home - which do you reccomend? the oldest ones? or the new ones with ubuntu stuff? |
| 22:36.06 | Igneous | Can someone make me a .deb package of phoon ( http://www.acme.com/software/phoon/ )? I don't feel like installing gcc and c++ headers on my webserver, etc just to compile a 20kb program. |
| 22:36.15 | deadcat | anyone know if USPS delivers on sat? |
| 22:36.41 | Igneous | deadcat: I don't think they do |
| 22:36.41 | jescis | yes, they do. |
| 22:36.46 | deadcat | doh. |
| 22:36.50 | Igneous | I don't get enough mail to know |
| 22:36.50 | jelly-home | YahooLapto1: I haven't tried the 2.6.24 one, the previous ones have worked for me. But then again, I had different (older) hardware |
| 22:37.05 | Igneous | All the stuff I get is via fedex |
| 22:37.14 | YahooLapto1 | jelly-home - ok thanks :) ill just try stuff out :p |
| 22:37.14 | deadcat | Igneous: just waiting for a package that was mailed on tue. |
| 22:37.19 | Xttor | gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 22:37.57 | Xttor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.57 | Xttor | gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 22:37.58 | jescis | deadcat: they only don't if they can't get into the mailboxes |
| 22:38.04 | Xttor | anyone? |
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| 22:38.34 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: uh... randomly removing files isn't going to help. The issue is that *ntp* is running on that port. |
| 22:38.38 | fsmunoz | Xttor: it's pretty much what is says. If it is a gzip file it is probably not complete or is damaged |
| 22:38.41 | devsforev | Does anyone know if it's possible to tell syslog to ignore the logs from a particular application? MJPG-streamer is flooding my syslog every seccond with error messages, but it's functioning fine. I just want it to ignore them instead of filling up my /var |
| 22:38.45 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: pgrep ntp; should clue you in. |
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| 22:38.52 | Xttor | wait, maybe it aint completely downloaded yet |
| 22:39.02 | roxazer | dondelelcaro: i meant that another ntp was removed, ntpd. |
| 22:39.17 | fsmunoz | Xttor: you can check with gzip -t <filename> |
| 22:39.34 | roxazer | dis that the pids that are using the port? |
| 22:39.39 | roxazer | should i kill them? |
| 22:39.40 | Xttor | no result |
| 22:39.56 | fsmunoz | Xttor: gzip -tv is probably better |
| 22:40.01 | Xttor | its OK |
| 22:40.07 | Xttor | (used -vt) |
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| 22:40.10 | fsmunoz | Xttor: no result is good |
| 22:40.16 | fsmunoz | Xttor: try the tar command again |
| 22:40.16 | roxazer | Xttor: same problem with another *.tar.gz ? |
| 22:40.27 | Xttor | thats better |
| 22:40.41 | Xttor | roxazer: same, i downloaded the wrong file first :P |
| 22:40.46 | roxazer | okey |
| 22:40.54 | fsmunoz | Xttor: now,go to the tar and gzip manpages, do some tests, make your own archives, etc. |
| 22:40.56 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: removing the files isn't going to help; you have to stop the ntp. Also, there's no reason to start ntpd using -d, just use the init script that we ship. |
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| 22:41.04 | Xttor | HTML-file (damn you right-click>save-as) |
| 22:41.21 | fsmunoz | Xttor: then do a aptitude install atool and use aunpack, works with everything |
| 22:41.42 | Igneous | Xttor: real men use lynx |
| 22:41.51 | Igneous | or links |
| 22:42.10 | jescis | Igneous: what about w3m? |
| 22:42.13 | roxazer | dondelelcaro: i stopped /etc/init.d/ntp and started /etc/init.d/openntpd |
| 22:42.18 | roxazer | right? |
| 22:42.20 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: then run netstat -plunt; |
| 22:42.28 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: and see what is using that port. |
| 22:42.36 | Igneous | w3m is pretty sweet |
| 22:42.45 | Igneous | I haven't played with it much though |
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| 22:43.20 | roxazer | dondelelcaro: its ntpd thats using them |
| 22:43.27 | roxazer | or one of them |
| 22:43.57 | jescis | Igneous: as you probably don't know. I'm not in a gui. |
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| 22:44.08 | Igneous | guis are over-rated |
| 22:44.19 | jescis | I agree |
| 22:44.20 | Igneous | learn screen, live screen, love screen |
| 22:44.28 | Xttor | how do I run FoF now? |
| 22:44.38 | Xttor | unpacked it and stuff |
| 22:44.40 | roxazer | Xttor: cd to the dir and then ./the-game |
| 22:44.45 | Igneous | I just lost the game |
| 22:44.49 | jescis | I don't use screen. I like tty |
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| 22:45.06 | Igneous | tty works just fine |
| 22:45.17 | Xttor | roxazer: yeah, but i dont know the filename |
| 22:45.18 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: so stop whatever is using hte port. |
| 22:45.32 | Xttor | nvm :P |
| 22:45.34 | roxazer | Xttor: run ls then look for a executable file |
| 22:45.40 | roxazer | its green |
| 22:45.46 | jescis | I'm listening to my music and talking on irc through irssi |
| 22:45.48 | Igneous | i think you downloaded the source tarball, Xttor.. ./configure, then make, then make install |
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| 22:45.52 | Xttor | aw, got a bunch of errors |
| 22:46.00 | Igneous | there are alot of deps for FoF |
| 22:46.05 | Igneous | python, namely |
| 22:46.15 | roxazer | dondelelcaro: it says that ntpd using th port, i just have /etc/init.d/ntp and that one is stoppes |
| 22:46.35 | Xttor | roxazer: whats the ending of an executable file? |
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| 22:46.49 | roxazer | Xttor: eh, no, this is linuc, not windows |
| 22:46.53 | roxazer | linux* |
| 22:47.01 | Xttor | roxazer: I know.... |
| 22:47.15 | roxazer | Xttor: the executablöe file can be named "start-game", with no file end |
| 22:47.15 | Xttor | 00:48 < roxazer> Xttor: run ls then look for a executable file |
| 22:47.20 | roxazer | file type end |
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| 22:47.29 | Xttor | so, no file ending? |
| 22:47.31 | fsmunoz | Xttor: http://debaday.debian.net/2007/07/01/frets-on-fire-play-the-guitar-with-your-keyboard-rock-em/ |
| 22:47.36 | roxazer | Xttor: right |
| 22:47.40 | roxazer | Xttor: the executable file is green |
| 22:47.44 | Xttor | then i ran the right file |
| 22:47.45 | roxazer | look for the green file |
| 22:47.46 | Xttor | and no, its not |
| 22:47.55 | Xttor | no colors |
| 22:47.58 | roxazer | do you have a file named "configure"? |
| 22:48.06 | roxazer | run ls as niormal user |
| 22:48.10 | Xttor | no |
| 22:48.12 | Xttor | k |
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| 22:48.21 | Igneous | lol, http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 22:48.27 | Xttor | yeah, green |
| 22:48.35 | jescis | can I get colors on terminal mode? |
| 22:48.36 | roxazer | Igneous: unctclopedia is funny! |
| 22:48.45 | roxazer | Xttor: right, run ./graan-file |
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| 22:48.51 | roxazer | green-file with tha green files name |
| 22:49.19 | Xttor | roxazer: yeah, got a bunch of errors |
| 22:49.27 | roxazer | Igneous: The Debian free logo, showing Bill Gates being sucked into a white hole or something. |
| 22:49.30 | roxazer | :D |
| 22:49.43 | roxazer | Xttor: give output, pastebin.com |
| 22:49.51 | Igneous | <3 Uncyclopedia |
| 22:49.59 | roxazer | Igneous: yeah <3 :D |
| 22:50.05 | roxazer | u probly dont have the libs |
| 22:50.26 | Xttor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.29 | Xttor | stuff like that |
| 22:50.40 | roxazer | okey.. |
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| 22:51.10 | roxazer | Xttor: http://pastebin.com/ paste it there |
| 22:51.23 | Xttor | http://pastebin.com/de2800e4 |
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| 22:52.14 | roxazer | Xttor: do you have a file just named "FretsOnFire"? |
| 22:52.18 | roxazer | in the dir |
| 22:52.18 | Xttor | yeah |
| 22:52.21 | RichiH | what should i use to view the video of a directly attachec USB camera? |
| 22:52.23 | Xttor | thats the one that i ran |
| 22:52.25 | roxazer | did you run that? |
| 22:52.28 | roxazer | ok |
| 22:52.52 | roxazer | Xttor: do you have python installed? |
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| 22:52.58 | Xttor | roxazer: nope :P |
| 22:53.10 | Igneous | Xttor: if you give me your root password and ip, I'll ssh into your box and maybe help you, maybe. |
| 22:53.12 | roxazer | install it |
| 22:53.20 | Xttor | Igneous: im not stupid. |
| 22:53.20 | fsmunoz | Xttor: it would probbly be easier to get the file from unstable (http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fretsonfire/fretsonfire-game_1.2.451.dfsg-2_all.deb) and install it... |
| 22:53.20 | roxazer | Igneous: haha lulz :D |
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| 22:53.30 | Xttor | roxazer: omw |
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| 22:53.47 | roxazer | Xttor: aptitude install python? |
| 22:53.57 | Xttor | roxazer: omw = on my way |
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| 22:54.08 | roxazer | Xttor: thought it was a misspel of "how" |
| 22:54.15 | Xttor | :P |
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| 22:54.17 | Igneous | Xttor: Igneous: im not stupid -- Xttor: how do I extract a .tar.gz? |
| 22:54.20 | jescis | lol |
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| 22:54.26 | roxazer | Igneous: HAHHAA :D:D |
| 22:54.48 | Xttor | Igneous: Uh, stupidity and bad knowledge isn't the same thing |
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| 22:55.08 | Xttor | roxazer: didnt find python |
| 22:55.32 | roxazer | Xttor: try python2.5 |
| 22:56.07 | Igneous | jeez if only there were some type of manual that listed commands |
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| 22:56.27 | Xttor | Igneous: ha. ha. ha. |
| 22:56.50 | Xttor | i prefer live support, and since you guys dont seem to do anything else i thought i'd ask |
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| 22:57.52 | jescis | Igneous: I have a book on unix that does. ;) |
| 22:57.59 | Igneous | lol, i remember when I first started using linux (mandrake 8.1).. I got in their irc and got soo flamed. |
| 22:58.01 | Xttor | roxazer: installed, same errors |
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| 22:58.33 | Xttor | Igneous: so youre blaming it on the people that flamed you? ._. |
| 22:58.48 | roxazer | Xttor: idk rly,. it says that it its an error on some lines in some python-files. |
| 22:58.50 | Igneous | not at all, but a little char-broiling never hurt |
| 22:58.57 | dondelelcaro | Xttor: you're missing libgl or something similar; I don't knwo which of the python oepn gl packages you've installed though. |
| 22:59.05 | Xttor | like people blaming their parents for being evil |
| 22:59.07 | jescis | Igneous: also the class that I took that used the book used a version of Red Hat |
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| 22:59.14 | roxazer | dondelelcaro: he installed python2.5 |
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| 22:59.44 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: that doesn't have opengl, and even installing it won't do you much good unless you use it explicitely. |
| 22:59.54 | dondelelcaro | Xttor: have you installed the python-opengl packages? |
| 22:59.55 | AzMoo | Is there some way I can see whether or not a package is installed? |
| 23:00.01 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 23:00.02 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 23:00.07 | AzMoo | ta |
| 23:00.24 | dondelelcaro | AzMoo: or in this case, dpkg-query -l foopkg; or similar; man dpkg-query; |
| 23:00.27 | roxazer | dondelelcaro: okey, btw. i have stoppes /etc/init.d/ntp but i still have those ports used by ntpd. |
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| 23:00.45 | Igneous | jescis: I've never actually used red hat... my three servers (SQL, Web, MythTV) all run debian.. I'm thinking about buying a little poopy computer to play with centos. |
| 23:00.49 | AzMoo | dondelelcaro: I like the way you slip the man's in there ;) |
| 23:01.07 | jescis | lol |
| 23:01.14 | roxazer | In Soviet Russia, apt gets YOU!! |
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| 23:01.40 | Xttor | roxazer: lol |
| 23:02.11 | jescis | Igneous: the point is that even though the book's on unix it's valuable for linux too. |
| 23:02.19 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: then ntpd is still running kill it. |
| 23:02.29 | dondelelcaro | s/g k/g; k/ |
| 23:02.35 | Igneous | unix, linux, bsd.. it's all posix to me |
| 23:02.47 | roxazer | dondelelcaro: can ypu tell me the full command? |
| 23:03.01 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: uh... you mean you don't know how to kill something? |
| 23:03.03 | jescis | don't you mean multics ;) |
| 23:03.11 | roxazer | dondelelcaro: i know, but for ntpd |
| 23:03.15 | Igneous | err, whatev |
| 23:03.25 | jescis | yeah |
| 23:03.34 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: so ps axfu|grep ntp; or pgrep ntp; or pkill ntp; or similar. |
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| 23:04.06 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: that's kind of basic stuff, so you may be better served by checking out a book on linux basics |
| 23:04.22 | fsmunoz | VM/CMS ftw |
| 23:04.23 | roxazer | dondelelcaro: oh, now i se waht you mean. sry |
| 23:04.26 | fsmunoz | sorry |
| 23:04.32 | Igneous | Dropbear ftw |
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| 23:04.55 | Igneous | 5x less ram usage, 20x more speeeed |
| 23:05.42 | jescis | roxazer: I suggest "bulletproof unix" by Timothy T. Gottleber |
| 23:05.44 | roxazer | dondelelcaro: how do i sync the time with openntpd? i have started it and have a server in the conf file, but the time goes wrong |
| 23:06.11 | roxazer | openntpd works strange on debian, my friends have the same problem |
| 23:06.15 | roxazer | i think. |
| 23:06.33 | Igneous | my shell is so pretty |
| 23:07.18 | jescis | what's that tcsh? |
| 23:07.40 | Igneous | bash, heavily customized with fancy colors, etc |
| 23:07.51 | Igneous | I've never actually tried tcsh, never felt the need. |
| 23:08.08 | YahooLaptop | its nasty |
| 23:08.24 | Igneous | nasty good or nasty bad? |
| 23:08.38 | YahooLaptop | bad, its the default shell at my uni |
| 23:08.50 | YahooLaptop | had it changed after i found out i could get them to |
| 23:08.52 | jescis | when's nasty ever good o.O |
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| 23:11.55 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 23:11.55 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 23:12.02 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: see above. |
| 23:12.25 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: if for some reason your initial values for the hardware clock are insane, you will not be able to keep your clock syncronized. |
| 23:12.29 | dondelelcaro | s/hardware/system/ |
| 23:12.48 | dondelelcaro | roxazer: you can examine this by looking at the lpeers output of ntp |
| 23:13.47 | FFEMTcJ | I'm trying to setup my webserver so that it can act like a webhost, allowing different users. I'm trying to make it to where users can only access their directory using ssh and ftp, and not access other users or the root directories.. I tried setting up chroot as I believe this will do what I need. I followed the tutorial at http://howtoforge.com/chroot_ssh_sftp_debian_etch but it didn't work.. I've started over from scratch, and wanted to s |
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| 23:15.23 | cusco | hi... shouldn't I have a /dev/dsp? |
| 23:16.17 | Igneous | err.. does your sound work? |
| 23:16.21 | dondelelcaro | cusco: if you have a sound card and a module loaded for it, yes. |
| 23:16.22 | cusco | yes |
| 23:16.34 | Xttor | Wait, so you can change the time on debian with date? |
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| 23:16.37 | cusco | it works fine |
| 23:16.42 | dondelelcaro | cusco: do you have snd_pcm_oss; loaded? |
| 23:16.45 | dondelelcaro | Xttor: yes. |
| 23:16.50 | cusco | but this program wants to capture sound and it says it cannot access /dev/dsp |
| 23:16.57 | Xttor | nice |
| 23:16.59 | cusco | dondelelcaro: hold |
| 23:17.08 | Xttor | give command to set it back an hour? ;) |
| 23:17.09 | cusco | dondelelcaro: no |
| 23:17.15 | dondelelcaro | cusco: load that module. |
| 23:17.53 | cusco | now I have a /dev/dsp! |
| 23:17.58 | cusco | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 23:18.25 | jescis | is alsa and oss able to work at the same time? |
| 23:18.29 | dondelelcaro | cusco: the module that I had you load gives oss compatibility layer to alsa; if you use an alsa aware sound capture program it's not necessary. |
| 23:18.54 | dondelelcaro | jescis: depends what you mean by that |
| 23:19.33 | Xttor | aw, my computer cant even take FoF :( |
| 23:19.40 | Xttor | (my debian computer) |
| 23:19.41 | jescis | I can't watch a video and listen to my music at the same time. |
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| 23:19.54 | Igneous | Xttor: specs? |
| 23:19.59 | dondelelcaro | jescis: that's a function of your soundcard; not every soundcard has hardware mixing. |
| 23:20.10 | Xttor | Igneous: 500 mhz P3, 384 mb ram... |
| 23:20.10 | Xttor | etc |
| 23:20.31 | jescis | But it work in windoze :/ |
| 23:20.33 | Jester45 | i have a file formated for ext2 and mounted as a loop device and i was wondering if having it as ext3 would make it faster or slower |
| 23:20.54 | cusco | how do I know if my soundcard has hardware mixing? I think I might be using only dmix |
| 23:21.23 | cusco | !tel jescis about dmix |
| 23:21.28 | cusco | !tell jescis about dmix |
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| 23:22.01 | jescis | cusco: Sweet!! |
| 23:22.11 | Igneous | jescis: if it's some form of ac97, some of them aren't properly supported/written.. You might just be better off buying a $5 sound card at a yard sale (out of an old computer), craigslist, ebay, etc |
| 23:22.22 | FFEMTcJ | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:22.50 | fsmunoz | cusco: another venue is to identify what is the application that monopolises /dev/dsp |
| 23:22.54 | jescis | I have creative card. I don't use the onboard sound chip. |
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| 23:23.20 | fsmunoz | cusco: and ctry to run it with aoss or something like that |
| 23:23.27 | cusco | fsmunoz: there was no app using /dev/dsp because it did not exist then |
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| 23:23.38 | fsmunoz | true |
| 23:23.57 | cusco | fsmunoz: running it with aoss would work I tried it. its past. thanks |
| 23:24.05 | fsmunoz | yw |
| 23:24.27 | jescis | Igneous: I have a creative ensonique sound card. |
| 23:25.40 | Igneous | jescis: if this were gentoo, I think your card would work properly.. but i've never messed with debian kernel config, so I really don't know how to help you, sadly |
| 23:26.09 | jescis | that's ok Igneous :) |
| 23:26.33 | AzMoo | Does debian disable BCI in freetype? |
| 23:27.19 | FFEMTcJ | Is anyone familiar with chrooting? |
| 23:28.41 | Igneous | chroot --help |
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| 23:29.40 | Igneous | wow.. chroot's --help is sparse |
| 23:29.49 | Igneous | FFEMTcJ: what is your issue? |
| 23:30.38 | Xttor | !tell Xttor about chmod |
| 23:31.06 | Igneous | !tell Igneous about man |
| 23:31.12 | FFEMTcJ | lol.. I'm trying to setup my webserver so that I can have multiple users who only have access to their files/dirs and nothing else.. I followed the tutorial at http://howtoforge.com/chroot_ssh_sftp_debian_etch and it didn't work.. so im starting over and trying again, but was looking to see if anyone was familiar with it and could help me |
| 23:31.50 | g-d | what purpose did the preceding 'lol' fill in that sentence, FFEMTcJ? |
| 23:32.11 | FFEMTcJ | in response to his comment about --help being sparse |
| 23:32.42 | g-d | understood |
| 23:32.45 | Xttor | !tell Xttor about Igneous |
| 23:32.47 | Igneous | FFEMTcJ: is ssh properly chrooted at least? |
| 23:33.05 | Xttor | !tell Xttor about pacman |
| 23:33.24 | FFEMTcJ | Igneous: when I tried to create users, it didn't work.. Which is why I'm starting over just to see if I missed a step. |
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| 23:33.47 | Xttor | roxazer: you're drunk :( |
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| 23:34.20 | Xttor | roxazer: drunkard |
| 23:34.44 | Igneous | FFEMTcJ: search google for "jailkit" |
| 23:35.49 | FFEMTcJ | Igneous: that looks interesting.. and hopefully alot easier than the tutorial I was following |
| 23:36.37 | Xttor | !tell roxazer about pacman |
| 23:37.04 | Igneous | yeah, what you're trying to do is put your users in a chroot jail (probably the /home/$User dir.. or maybe /var/www/htdocs/$User) either way, that should help you one way or another |
| 23:37.36 | FFEMTcJ | thanks Igneous.. are you familiar with jailkit if I run into problems? |
| 23:38.02 | Xttor | Igneous: now youre talking about my problem? |
| 23:38.21 | Igneous | Xttor: i'm talking about FFEMTcJ's problem.. |
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| 23:38.32 | Xttor | Igneous: its the same as mine? |
| 23:39.01 | Igneous | FFEMTcJ: i might be able to help you out a little.. but i'm pretty inexperianced.. jailkit seems fairly well documented though, so you shouldn't have too much of a problem |
| 23:39.14 | FFEMTcJ | thanks Igneous |
| 23:39.34 | Igneous | Xttor: what is your problem? |
| 23:40.09 | Xttor | Igneous: i want to make a user that is only able to read its homedir |
| 23:40.17 | jescis | Xttor: you could take Igneous' advice to FFEMTcJ for yourself too. |
| 23:40.37 | Igneous | Xttor: then what i said applies to you as well.. |
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| 23:40.46 | Xttor | Igneous: *scroll up |
| 23:40.48 | Xttor | * |
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| 23:42.56 | Igneous | I think i'm going to bid on this 1u server (dual p3 1.13ghz, 2gb ram, 2x120gb hdds, teamed nic) on ebay.. It's $50 |
| 23:43.29 | jescis | Sweet! Do it!! |
| 23:43.45 | Xttor | zzz |
| 23:43.50 | Xttor | bbl, get some sleep |
| 23:43.56 | Igneous | If i get it, I think i'm gonna host free shell accounts for irc bots |
| 23:44.15 | Supaplex | wow. they're just pimpin out the DSA's today |
| 23:44.49 | Igneous | Supaplex: howso? |
| 23:44.52 | jescis | can I have a web site account? |
| 23:45.08 | Supaplex | Igneous: there are three in the last few hours |
| 23:45.26 | Supaplex | jescis: ask root@localhost ;) |
| 23:45.34 | Igneous | jescis: depends what you need it for.. if it's just personal stuff.. or maybe a small forum/blog, yeh no problem |
| 23:46.00 | Igneous | i'm on 10/2 adsl, so it's gotta be small |
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| 23:46.52 | Supaplex | ouch :p |
| 23:46.54 | kgoetz | stupid australia |
| 23:46.57 | jescis | cool. I'm just not able to afford web hosting from the big guys -_- |
| 23:47.04 | Igneous | When i move to VA, I'll have 100/50 fios |
| 23:47.20 | Supaplex | jescis: maybe http://www.daxal.com/hosting/ |
| 23:47.54 | Supaplex | kgoetz: adsl so slow, makes you wanna get out and PUSH huh? |
| 23:48.09 | jescis | they're close to free(read $1-$2)? |
| 23:48.29 | kgoetz | Supaplex: almost. especialy at the price |
| 23:48.46 | Supaplex | jescis: with 24/7 support and so many ammenneties? no |
| 23:48.56 | Igneous | jescis: if you're ok with using a microsoft product to host your site.. free iis7 beta is here ( http://www.hostmysite.com/iis7/ ) |
| 23:49.22 | Supaplex | now why would we bait ourself into that non-free trap? |
| 23:49.37 | kgoetz | IIS... *ew* |
| 23:49.46 | Supaplex | vendor lockin. eeeewww |
| 23:49.48 | jescis | I only like unix/linux for it's uptime > windoze |
| 23:50.17 | Supaplex | I'm sure there are more reasons than that |
| 23:50.20 | Igneous | my dreamcast has been alive for two years |
| 23:50.25 | Igneous | running netbsd |
| 23:50.33 | Jester45 | jescis, what about how you can get updates automatically for your whole system not just the OS |
| 23:50.57 | jescis | Jester45: lol, yeah that too. |
| 23:51.14 | Supaplex | Jester45: we charge double for that. ;) |
| 23:51.36 | jescis | lol @ Supaplex |
| 23:51.41 | Jester45 | thats a big one for me i love being able to say sure ill update iceweasle my kernel video driver and music player |
| 23:52.07 | Jester45 | o and video drivers arent 50mb+ per card |
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| 23:52.55 | Supaplex | Jester45: it's part of the windows virus framework. ;) |
| 23:53.06 | Jester45 | lol |
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| 23:53.43 | Eulex | Supaplex, yeah, but double of nothing is still nothing :) |
| 23:53.43 | Igneous | For some reason I see Jester45's desktop in my head.. Beefy customized gnome with lots of widgits, a icon dock, cpu load monitor (probably superkaramaba, not conky).. |
| 23:54.39 | Jester45 | lol your wrong |
| 23:54.52 | Igneous | KDE with widgets then? |
| 23:54.56 | Eulex | his what? |
| 23:55.16 | Igneous | gentoo, ma boi |
| 23:55.22 | Igneous | <3's gentoo |
| 23:55.23 | Supaplex | quick, hide all the wineapps |
| 23:55.25 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 23:55.44 | jescis | Supaplex: is root@localhost able to serve my stuff from my pc to other pcs in the world(www)? |
| 23:55.57 | Jester45 | and for my desktop i use xfce some times when setting up compters for family to use or non techies |
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| 23:56.18 | kgoetz | jescis: yes, if root puts time into settig it up |
| 23:56.19 | Supaplex | Jester45: hahaha. localhost is the box you're on. everyone has one. :P |
| 23:56.33 | Supaplex | bah. misdirect |
| 23:56.39 | jescis | lol |
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| 23:56.57 | aoeu | whats a good random data source for hard drive cleaning? |
| 23:56.57 | Igneous | For my servers, no X touches them.. all bash all teh way.. and as far as my desktop goes.. it's either Openbox + Conky or Pekwm + Conky |
| 23:57.14 | Jester45 | but for mine desktop i stick to fluxbox or e17 if i can ever get it working right |
| 23:57.17 | kgoetz | aoeu: use dban, it takes care of all that. |
| 23:57.17 | Supaplex | aoeu: thermite |
| 23:57.34 | aoeu | i want to clean my fs, but i don't want to reformat it |
| 23:57.38 | Jester45 | conky is a must |
| 23:57.42 | Supaplex | Igneous: :) openbox3 here |
| 23:57.43 | jescis | I like any shell as long as it's not running on xsewrver |
| 23:57.51 | Igneous | Supaplex: ditto |
| 23:57.53 | aoeu | is filling it up with videos a good way? |
| 23:58.41 | Supaplex | aoeu: to what end? I'm lost... |
| 23:58.41 | Igneous | conky is a musr |
| 23:58.41 | Igneous | must* |
| 23:58.42 | aoeu | like if someone wanted to permenantly delete something and make it so it couldn't be recovered |
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| 23:59.16 | Jester45 | aoeu, have you ever heard of /dev/random ? unlimited random |
| 23:59.45 | aoeu | what about cleaning the journal? |
