| 00:00.08 | aoeu | isn't there still a trace of the tree structure left in the journal after deletion? |
| 00:00.43 | Jester45 | are you tring to format the drive or just erase 1 thing |
| 00:00.45 | Supaplex | aoeu: shred |
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| 00:01.26 | Supaplex | aoeu: well, even shred says it might leave some traces. they're still looking for you, paranoid or not ;) |
| 00:01.30 | aoeu | im not trying to hide any data, i'm just wondering like in theory |
| 00:01.49 | Supaplex | aoeu: there's not really anything that consice. the closest sure thing is backup+format+restore |
| 00:01.59 | Supaplex | er shred+format |
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| 00:02.27 | Jester45 | or... write to the drive with random data |
| 00:02.29 | Kevin` | I don't think the journal has file data |
| 00:02.41 | Jester45 | but that will remove all the data with it |
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| 00:03.38 | Igneous | aoeu, if you're really parinoid.. openbsd is really good for that.. cryptfs is on by default, so the journal is unreadable.. I have to admit I don't really know how this works, but if you're really that worried about gettined pwned for piracy,etc.. i'd suggest looking into obsd |
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| 00:04.52 | Igneous | http://geektechnique.org/projectlab/84/openbsd-encrypted-fileserver-howto |
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| 00:06.56 | jac1d | Good evening all. I have a rather unique problem I've run in to while building a PXE booted, shared NFSRoot computing cluster with etch |
| 00:08.05 | jac1d | For some reason, identical machines are having different responses to network card initilization. The machine I created the image on can boot and /sbin/ifconfig eth3 up an interface, but a sister machine, booted from the same nfsroot image with the same chipset, claims that eth3 isn't present, even though it is seen by dmesg during the kernel initialization |
| 00:09.35 | jac1d | is there some hidden file that binds the mac to the interface name or otherwise authorizes the interface on debian? It's almost like if I don't install etch on the physical machine then it won't init the additional interfaces |
| 00:09.39 | Jester45 | are they in the same pci slots and is the motherboard version the same? |
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| 00:10.20 | jac1d | yes, I have 40 or so machines that are all the identical config |
| 00:10.41 | dirkson | Heyo all. I have a package that I had to manually delete.... How do I tell apt-get that it's GONE, stop mucking with it? |
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| 00:11.30 | jac1d | Jester: They are all Via Esther boards with identical Reltek 8139s |
| 00:11.52 | Jester45 | dirkson, i think its apt-get remove --purge --force <package> but i might be wrong |
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| 00:12.20 | dirkson | Jester45: --force isn't understood |
| 00:12.57 | Jester45 | then im wrong |
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| 00:13.16 | niwt | can I make /etc/network/interfaces chmod 700? (and still have it work right) |
| 00:13.31 | damn3d | when i run a file type of .run, the resulting window doesnt have any text in it at all.. what could be the problem???? |
| 00:13.43 | odla | specifically if i wanted to install latex what would i install? previously i was using kile and it brought in all associated packages but i'd rather just use latex with vim ... thanks! |
| 00:14.04 | Jester45 | jac1d, maybe this is a soultion http://fxp0.org.ua/2007/apr/20/swapping-interface-names-debian-etch-ifrename/ |
| 00:14.45 | Jester45 | damn3d, open a terminal and type /bin/bash file.run replacing file with the real name see if that helps |
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| 00:16.30 | damn3d | nope it still aint workin |
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| 00:17.13 | Jester45 | try file filename.run |
| 00:17.21 | Jester45 | and see what it is |
| 00:17.25 | jac1d | Jester: THanks, that looks promising, I'll have a look at my system and see if thats it |
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| 00:17.28 | Igneous | damn3d, if you sh file.run or ./file.run it just gives you a blank screen? |
| 00:17.47 | Jester45 | yea that what he said |
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| 00:18.11 | petur | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.22 | petur | 80% of my traffic according to tcpdump is like that |
| 00:18.36 | petur | What could be the problem? (it's on a nfs server) |
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| 00:20.23 | Jester45 | petur, do you have any specal iptables? |
| 00:20.40 | jac1d | jester: Hmm no iftab on the system that I can see |
| 00:20.57 | damn3d | nope wat actually happens is a installer window opens up and there s no text wat so ever in the window |
| 00:21.00 | petur | Jester45: No, iptables are default |
| 00:21.11 | damn3d | im tryin to install the game tremulous |
| 00:23.09 | Igneous | damn3d: maybe it's a bug with their installer.. or something on their end.. try posting on their forums or joining #tremulous |
| 00:23.19 | damn3d | k |
| 00:24.07 | damn3d | other than that when i play the game counterstrike using wine, im not able to view any form of text in that also.. |
| 00:24.26 | damn3d | but the game runs fine |
| 00:24.35 | Igneous | you might be missing corefonts |
| 00:25.15 | Igneous | apt-get install msttcorefonts |
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| 00:26.01 | jac1d | Jester: You set me on the right path, the answer is actually here: http://stateless.geek.nz/2007/02/01/ubuntu-and-vmware-losing-your-ethernet-device-when-migrating/ |
| 00:26.05 | jac1d | In the first commend about debian etch |
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| 00:28.26 | Igneous | wtf!? my nose just started bleeding |
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| 00:28.53 | Igneous | just sitting here drinking water, and blood just dripped down into my cup |
| 00:30.54 | Guerin | thanks for sharing |
| 00:30.59 | Guerin | lay off the coke and see a doctor |
| 00:31.57 | scane | Hi. i installed postgresql and postgresql-client with aptitude on sarge, then purged it and installed it again. Now psql and postmaster are missing |
| 00:32.23 | scane | But i thought psql is part of postgresql-client |
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| 00:35.49 | scane | i will purge and install again (wiht not much hope) |
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| 00:37.48 | mcquaid | not debian related. is there a way to determine which drive holds the mbr? |
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| 00:38.52 | Igneous | ooh good question, google time |
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| 00:39.12 | mcquaid | not finding much so far.. |
| 00:39.29 | Igneous | is this for a raid configuration? |
| 00:40.09 | mcquaid | no i was at a friends, and he reinstalled xp. he has sata and ide drives |
| 00:40.17 | mcquaid | with xp on the ide and linux on the sata |
| 00:40.47 | mcquaid | i used grub to write the mbr to the sata drive but that didn't work |
| 00:40.54 | mcquaid | i then wrote it to the ide and all was well. |
| 00:41.01 | Monkey_arma | cant you chose from the bios? |
| 00:41.03 | mcquaid | i could have probably changed the boot order in the bios |
| 00:41.08 | Igneous | it partially depends on the bios |
| 00:41.20 | mcquaid | but what i'd like to be able to do next time, is know where it currently resides |
| 00:41.24 | Igneous | and also, which drive is set as master (if it's ide) |
| 00:41.28 | mcquaid | and just rewrite it there |
| 00:41.52 | mcquaid | well from what i've read, some mobos give preference to the sata drives, some the ide drives |
| 00:42.24 | mcquaid | anyway i thought, next time that happens i'd like to be able to run fdisk or whatever and see 'ok the mbr is on hd(1) or whatever |
| 00:42.32 | n0mad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:46.14 | mcquaid | surprised i can't find an answer |
| 00:46.34 | xiambax | I downloaded dvd 1. in theory i could mount that on my system and access the tree via network install on another box correct? |
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| 00:46.51 | idimmu | correct |
| 00:46.51 | jelly-home | n0mad: um... #nvidia? |
| 00:46.59 | xiambax | Coolio |
| 00:47.10 | xiambax | can i still do a graphical network install? |
| 00:47.29 | idimmu | wait, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:47.37 | n0mad | uu rlly jelly thats 8) |
| 00:47.43 | n0mad | thanks |
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| 00:48.06 | xiambax | extract dvd iso onto http server. boot from a small cd and do a network install from whats on my http |
| 00:48.12 | n0mad | am em chanels not egzist |
| 00:48.26 | n0mad | ops |
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| 00:51.36 | xiambax | ...? |
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| 00:54.44 | jescis | crap>_< wrong key XD |
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| 00:55.29 | n0mad | :) |
| 00:55.29 | xiambax | idimmu, is that a yes or no |
| 00:55.35 | n0mad | yea i mistyped |
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| 00:56.25 | idimmu | oh i think its possible yeah!! |
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| 00:57.07 | idimmu | you might need to set up the http server as a repository that you specify during the install though |
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| 00:58.39 | xiambax | yeah i figured |
| 00:58.42 | xiambax | ill give it a shot |
| 00:58.47 | idimmu | good luck! |
| 00:58.56 | xiambax | can i do a graphical install via small disk |
| 00:58.56 | xiambax | ? |
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| 00:59.19 | nogglist | hey |
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| 00:59.26 | idimmu | dunno |
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| 00:59.35 | nogglist | anyone have experience using serial via an ethernet port from debian? |
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| 01:01.07 | jescis | idimmu: Anything's possible. The real question is, is it probable? |
| 01:01.10 | jescis | ;) |
| 01:01.37 | idimmu | heh |
| 01:01.46 | idimmu | its possibley probable! |
| 01:01.57 | idimmu | weird way of doing things tho!! |
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| 01:03.34 | jescis | lol |
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| 01:04.33 | supersako | hey guys when i reload apache i get "Reloading web server config...2762" |
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| 01:04.39 | supersako | is that normal??? 2762?? |
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| 01:05.48 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 01:06.10 | SamuraiDio | did someone here already worked with QdvdAuthor? i need some help... |
| 01:07.08 | dondelelcaro | supersako: yes, it's normal |
| 01:07.15 | supersako | thanks donde |
| 01:07.35 | supersako | debian runs LAMP like a dream :P |
| 01:07.57 | nogglist | anyone have experience using serial via an ethernet port from debian? |
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| 01:08.23 | nogglist | I have no serial input but I have an ethernet->straight through db25 cable and I would like to use it |
| 01:08.35 | nogglist | and only a single ethernet port :) |
| 01:09.20 | Coweater | are you sure that's straight through and not a rollover? |
| 01:11.05 | dondelelcaro | nogglist: uh... you don't use serial via etthernet |
| 01:11.26 | dondelelcaro | nogglist: there *are* serial via RJ45 instead of DB9, but that's a totally different thing. |
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| 01:11.36 | jelly-home | s/ethernet/utp/ |
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| 01:12.52 | jelly-home | nogglist: you might try a usb-to-serial convertor. Some work. |
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| 01:15.21 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys, I need someone to take a look at my tc script before I deploy it... here it is: http://pastebin.com/f2e182fcd |
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| 01:28.09 | nogglist | ok dondelelcaro thanks |
| 01:28.17 | nogglist | I am using serial via rj45 |
| 01:28.43 | nogglist | it is db29->rj45 |
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| 01:31.27 | FFEMTcJ | does anyone have any experience with jailkit? |
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| 01:32.53 | pipeline | I read that as "jailbait" |
| 01:33.01 | pipeline | this changes my answer considerably |
| 01:33.19 | Soskel | for # User alert email address |
| 01:33.19 | Soskel | EMAIL_USR="root" can I set that to my gmail email address? |
| 01:33.26 | FFEMTcJ | pipeline: lol |
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| 01:33.41 | Soskel | ?? |
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| 01:36.40 | simonrvn | USER |
| 01:36.45 | simonrvn | Soskel: yes |
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| 01:37.03 | Soskel | simonrvn: so I can set that to my email address? |
| 01:37.16 | Soskel | or do I need to edit the email address for 'root' ? |
| 01:37.21 | simonrvn | though i don't see much point in an external destination if it's cron mail... |
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| 01:44.53 | mustafa | hey guys |
| 01:45.00 | mustafa | has anyone here installed ELISA? |
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| 01:45.17 | mustafa | please let me know how ur experience is |
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| 01:46.52 | limpio | hi, i just installed ion3, anybody knows a keybinding to restart without going to the main menu? |
| 01:47.11 | amphi | mustafa: what makes you say that? |
| 01:47.15 | jetscreamer | mustafa: you left yourself open to lots of factoids |
| 01:47.20 | jetscreamer | !anyone |
| 01:47.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 01:47.45 | mustafa | i know |
| 01:47.45 | mustafa | lol |
| 01:48.11 | mustafa | does anyone know what is ELISA? |
| 01:48.14 | simonrvn | !ur |
| 01:48.14 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 01:48.18 | simonrvn | !polls |
| 01:48.19 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 01:48.31 | jescis | !elisa |
| 01:48.31 | dpkg | methinks elisa is expert, you not!! |
| 01:48.39 | amphi | heh |
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| 01:48.43 | zykes | anyone know why blktapctrl is disabled in debians xen ? |
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| 01:49.11 | simonrvn | no, see BTS |
| 01:49.39 | Soskel | how can I 1) have APF and BFD automatically start on boot, and how can I test that both of them work? |
| 01:49.41 | jetscreamer | i like ur |
| 01:49.46 | jetscreamer | see also mu |
| 01:49.53 | jetscreamer | !mu |
| 01:49.54 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu.", or nothingness; neither yes nor no, but tabula rasa. |
| 01:50.13 | jescis | lol |
| 01:50.14 | jetscreamer | wtf |
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| 01:50.29 | jescis | !eden |
| 01:50.29 | dpkg | [eden] where adam, eve, the snake, and God are. |
| 01:50.36 | jetscreamer | !dict mu |
| 01:50.39 | dpkg | Dictionary 'mu' (2 of 20): 1. <networking> The country code for Mauritius. ;; 150 2 definitions retrieved 151 "mu" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" Mu. |
| 01:50.44 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 01:51.29 | jescis | mu = greek letter. |
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| 01:51.46 | Soskel | ?? |
| 01:51.58 | jetscreamer | The Lost Continent of Mu |
| 01:52.08 | jescis | ah |
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| 01:52.46 | jescis | you sure you don't mean atlantis? |
| 01:53.12 | amphi | the Plateau of Leng |
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| 01:53.20 | CrazyTB | I'm trying to make the /var/cache/apt/archives/ shared by NFS |
| 01:53.27 | CrazyTB | but looks like I'm getting problems with locking |
| 01:53.31 | AzMoo | Hey, can I change the python system default to version 2.5? |
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| 01:53.44 | AzMoo | I changed the symlink but that broke some packages. |
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| 01:54.44 | simonrvn | CrazyTB: of course. you could try running lockd, but i don't think it'll help much. worth a try though, i could be wrong |
| 01:55.05 | CrazyTB | simonrvn: ain't lockd a kernel module? |
| 01:55.10 | CrazyTB | if so, it is already runnning. |
| 01:55.31 | CrazyTB | hum... Got an idea... |
| 01:56.00 | tnks | I'm a little confused about how best to manage LVM. If I have a hard disk with a boot partition and a partition for a LVM physical volume. . . what would be the best way to push all the data to another drive? |
| 01:56.03 | jones_513 | i just installed NFS and whenever i try to mount the remote dir it gives me permission denied, do i have to chmod the dir i want to mount to let me mount it? im using the same user name on both machines if that makes any matter at all |
| 01:56.54 | tnks | (because I'm afraid my first drive is about to give, and my backups aren't of the entire OS). |
| 01:57.52 | jetscreamer | dpkg, mu is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(lost_continent) |
| 01:57.52 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 01:58.35 | Seb | hrm i don't get it, http://debian-multimedia.org is packaging ffmpeg, but it doesn't seem to have an mpeg4 encoder included (http://bugs.debian.org/40702) |
| 01:58.38 | Seb | i wonder why that is |
| 01:59.02 | CrazyTB | simonrvn: nothing yet... I keep getting "W: Not using locking for nfs mounted lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock" |
| 01:59.24 | jones_513 | haha, nfs is a big problem tonight |
| 01:59.42 | seeds | what lines i gotta add to my network interface for the wireless to be enabled when i boot up? |
| 02:00.05 | jetscreamer | dpkg, mu is also in Andre Norton's novel, Operation Time Search |
| 02:00.05 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 02:01.21 | CrazyTB | jones_513: has your client host an IP address that is allowed on the nfs server /etc/exports ? |
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| 02:03.48 | esaym | I swore that there was a command to automatically update the db.root file for bind9? |
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| 02:04.22 | simonrvn | CrazyTB: you might have to reload the daemons. that sort of thing is easier to have in say squid(3) than nfs, which is a pain, or use apt-cacher and/or friends |
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| 02:05.07 | simonrvn | esaym: if it's set to slave (separate zone can do it) |
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| 02:06.02 | jones_513 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.29 | debstuck | I have a debian install that just wont boot. during the installation process, Ive tried to install grub on both the MBR and by explicitly saying /dev/sda on my sata drive. I assume I am missing something obvious here, but could use some pointers in a direction to look. |
| 02:06.54 | esaym | simonrvn: no I though it was easier than that, I don't know, I am still reading. |
| 02:08.29 | esaym | simonrvn: I think it was "dig ns . @a.root-servers.net. " |
| 02:08.42 | esaym | then copy paste ;-) |
| 02:08.46 | jetscreamer | debstuck: how many ide controllers |
| 02:08.50 | CrazyTB | simonrvn: yes, I've reloaded the daemons here. But I don't know what is the relationship between squid and nfs |
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| 02:08.56 | jetscreamer | debstuck: try a -486 kernel |
| 02:09.02 | debstuck | just the dual sata controller, no IDE |
| 02:09.05 | jetscreamer | when it asks you to install |
| 02:09.40 | debstuck | that brings up a good point. I have been trying the amd64.. will back up to the standard 32bit one and see what it does |
| 02:09.59 | tuv | when i use vpnc to connect to a vpn, 'nslookup host2-in-my-lan' works fine while 'ping host2-in-my-lan' says 'unknown host' (usually resolved by my wireless router, which is the first nameserver even when connected to the vpn). how is that possible? and how to fix it? |
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| 02:14.19 | simonrvn | CrazyTB: none, i was talking about caching the downloaded debs |
| 02:14.32 | simonrvn | CrazyTB: which is what you have in mind, right? |
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| 02:15.24 | CrazyTB | more or less. :) |
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| 02:15.52 | CrazyTB | I wanted to cache these .debs for a while, because I will need to use them on more than one laptop |
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| 02:16.03 | Miesco | WHen I start aptitude nothing happends, the cursor goes to the top left and it doesn't even clear the screen, how do I debug this? |
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| 02:16.30 | CrazyTB | And since I don't have squid here, but I have NFS, NFS looks a pretty good solution. What's more, NFS won't waste space on the client (the laptop) |
| 02:16.42 | deeku | CrazyTB: what about apt-proxy? |
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| 02:19.19 | _ZeuZ_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.35 | enouf | Miesco: sounds maybe {n}curses related? does your console work otherwise? reinstall libncursesw5 maybe |
| 02:19.53 | enouf | hpet? |
| 02:19.53 | Jester45 | _ZeuZ_, dont repreat things like that |
| 02:20.17 | Miesco | enouf: K thanks! |
| 02:20.57 | dude_ | can anyone help me out with spumux errors dvstyler, lenny amd64 |
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| 02:21.00 | _ZeuZ_ | Jester45: Sorry... I thought that because the motd entered after the msg it didnt arribe... |
| 02:21.52 | _ZeuZ_ | @"High Resolution Timer" |
| 02:21.54 | _ZeuZ_ | !"High Resolution Timer" |
| 02:22.00 | _ZeuZ_ | No bot here? |
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| 02:22.24 | enouf | Miesco: also make sure no other instances of aptitude are running (ps aux), type "reset" in your console to clear it in general |
| 02:22.27 | Malf | !bot |
| 02:22.27 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 02:23.04 | enouf | Miesco: .. instances of aptitude/apt/dpkg/etc are running (ps aux) |
| 02:23.51 | jetscreamer | _ZeuZ_: so what about it |
| 02:24.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:24.23 | jetscreamer | you want it for alsa rtc |
| 02:24.37 | jetscreamer | you have a generic rtc and a hi rez rtc |
| 02:24.54 | jetscreamer | then there's that other new section with all the rtc stuff in it |
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| 02:25.04 | Jester45 | _ZeuZ_, i never used it i think it might be used if your programming serial ports or maybe if your running a nts |
| 02:25.06 | jetscreamer | but it's weird |
| 02:25.16 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/hpet.txt |
| 02:25.48 | enouf | right genrtc or something |
| 02:26.05 | jetscreamer | the alsa module called '(i dunno i forgot what it's called.. snd_alsa_timer?) can't use the generic |
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| 02:26.25 | Miesco | enouf: How do you reinstall? |
| 02:26.32 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 02:26.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 02:26.45 | jetscreamer | or do you mean just one package |
| 02:27.09 | jetscreamer | mplayer likes the rtc also iirc |
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| 02:27.41 | enouf | Miesco: just apt-get install --reinstall <pkgname> |
| 02:27.45 | Miesco | k |
| 02:27.54 | enouf | jetscreamer: yeah, one pkg |
| 02:28.04 | enouf | Miesco: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 02:28.16 | jetscreamer | i think it's also aptitude reinstall <pkgname> but not sure |
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| 02:29.09 | enouf | jetscreamer: he can't get aptitude to work :-P he says; " <Miesco> WHen I start aptitude nothing happends, the cursor goes to the top left and it doesn't even clear the screen, how do I debug this?" |
| 02:29.36 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 02:29.36 | dpkg | dselect is probably a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/dselect-beginner/ Also ask me about <aptitude>. see <fix-unmet> |
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| 02:30.05 | enouf | nice one |
| 02:30.48 | Miesco | enouf: Nothing else is running, I reinstalled ncursesw and still same problem |
| 02:30.49 | enouf | but you're correct, aptitude doesn't need a TUI to work, could be just cli |
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| 02:31.16 | enouf | Miesco: answer other questions please |
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| 02:32.09 | jetscreamer | try libncurses5-dev |
| 02:32.11 | Miesco | The console works otherwise, like mutt works |
| 02:32.22 | Miesco | and im talking to you on irssi |
| 02:32.26 | enouf | Miesco: try a curses based app |
| 02:32.29 | jetscreamer | and also install dialog |
| 02:33.11 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure something maybe, or. .. ~$ apt-cache depends aptitude |
| 02:33.27 | jetscreamer | apt-get install libncurses5-dev dialog |
| 02:33.35 | enouf | reset your console too |
| 02:33.38 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 02:33.38 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
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| 02:34.24 | jetscreamer | fuck i' |
| 02:34.27 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 02:34.32 | jetscreamer | fuck i'm tired |
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| 02:34.46 | enouf | dpkg -l aptitude | tail -1 |
| 02:34.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching aptitude | tail -1 |
| 02:34.52 | enouf | heh |
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| 02:36.45 | Miesco | enouf: aptitude was running before, just stopped working for somereason |
| 02:36.56 | Miesco | enouf: Is that for me? |
| 02:37.08 | soberon | Good evenning... Exist an app for webcam, similar to "camorama"?... I'm using Debian4+KDE |
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| 02:38.28 | enouf | Miesco: yeah, but forget it if it was recently working - maybe logout/login for whatever reason |
| 02:38.58 | Miesco | enouf: Hey, I just hit ctrl+alt+F1 and aptitude worked |
| 02:39.01 | debstuck | installing the 486 kernel now.. is there known issue with sata and the amd64 install that I missed? |
| 02:39.17 | Miesco | enouf: I'll try logging in and out |
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| 02:39.54 | enouf | 486 limits to {800+MB} / 1GB? range? |
| 02:40.18 | debstuck | memory wise you are talking right? |
| 02:40.20 | Miesco | enouf: It works now? |
| 02:40.26 | Miesco | enouf: It wokrs now!* |
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| 02:40.56 | enouf | Miesco: good - but i guess you're confusing an xterm with console |
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| 02:41.14 | Miesco | I got a question, can I use the etch wine repository in lenny? sudo wget http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/etch.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list |
| 02:41.43 | Miesco | thats what im doing, cause I can get the latest version |
| 02:42.02 | enouf | !releases |
| 02:42.03 | dpkg | [releases] See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 02:42.33 | enouf | heed my "grounding" message |
| 02:42.56 | debstuck | got a blinking cursor using the 486 installer on sata too |
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| 02:44.49 | enouf | debstuck: yeah, kernel seeing RAM limit i meant |
| 02:45.11 | SerajewelKS | [OT] is there a store online that sells decent laptops with either no OS or a free one like debian? |
| 02:45.14 | enouf | debstuck: what's your issue, i came late i guess |
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| 02:45.36 | enouf | SerajewelKS: emperor and system76 and dell |
| 02:45.55 | enouf | (atleast those) |
| 02:45.57 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i checked dell, they are all XP or Vista |
| 02:46.12 | SerajewelKS | ah there they are |
| 02:46.16 | enouf | SerajewelKS: they sell ubuntu no? or not on laptops? |
| 02:46.16 | SerajewelKS | just not on the front page |
| 02:46.27 | enouf | i mean w/Ubuntu |
| 02:46.38 | what_if | when I reboot my machine, the ipv6 address is not on eth1. if I do a ifdown / ifup it is there. my interfaces file is here : http://www.pastebin.ca/944459 |
| 02:46.52 | SerajewelKS | yeesh, $500 baseline |
| 02:47.09 | debstuck | enouf: only got 1gig so thats not a problem. I cant seem to get grub to play well with the sata drive though |
| 02:47.10 | enouf | eeepc :-P |
| 02:47.24 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i said *decent* laptops :) |
| 02:47.34 | enouf | oh :-) |
| 02:48.00 | enouf | debstuck: well, missing 100MB(+) out of 1000 is no fun |
| 02:48.19 | enouf | debstuck: grub? is this a clean install? |
| 02:48.32 | debstuck | yep |
| 02:48.48 | enouf | and which CD and release? |
| 02:48.51 | debstuck | tried both mbr and /dev/sda (the sata drive) |
| 02:49.08 | debstuck | etch, latest 4.x release. both 386 and amd64 |
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| 02:49.23 | SerajewelKS | enouf: holy shit, emperor starts at over $1000!? |
| 02:49.38 | enouf | you need sata controller support .. hrm odd - you sure it's a sata controller and drive? any adapters? |
| 02:49.39 | SerajewelKS | for relative crap too |
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| 02:49.51 | enouf | SerajewelKS: it's more international though :-P |
| 02:50.07 | SerajewelKS | enouf: well that makes paying double worth it. ...? |
| 02:50.15 | enouf | er, .. you asked, you never mentioned price at 1st :={ |
| 02:50.38 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ask someone else, i have no issues with that |
| 02:50.45 | debstuck | I was an emperor member until they let the skanks in |
| 02:50.46 | SerajewelKS | well the reason i want no OS is because it's cheaper :) |
| 02:50.48 | enouf | (fortunately) |
| 02:50.52 | enouf | complain to them |
| 02:50.55 | tuv | how can nslookup find a host while ping can't? |
| 02:51.00 | enouf | start your own business |
| 02:51.03 | debstuck | oh, different club |
| 02:51.03 | enouf | stfu |
| 02:51.07 | enouf | gtfo |
| 02:51.11 | enouf | ;-) |
| 02:51.14 | SerajewelKS | tuv: because nslookup is a DNS client, and ping pings |
| 02:51.25 | SerajewelKS | tuv: one maps names to IP addresses, the other pings an IP address |
| 02:51.26 | debstuck | and wind blows |
| 02:51.30 | debstuck | fire burns |
| 02:51.34 | debstuck | OMG its a huge rock |
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| 02:51.37 | Jester45 | what_if, you could take the lazy way out and make a startup script that doesnt ifdown && ifup |
| 02:52.07 | tuv | SerajewelKS, well doesn't ping resolve hostnames if it's provided with one instead of an ip? |
| 02:52.26 | Tramp | tuv: nslookup queries nameservers, application goes through the resolver. This is different. |
| 02:52.36 | Jester45 | just like my network driver on 1 of my servers crashes every few days so i have to ifdown/up it and it works fine so i got a cron job to do it |
| 02:52.40 | debstuck | same with host |
| 02:52.43 | SerajewelKS | tuv: they use different mechanisms to resolve |
| 02:53.08 | tuv | Tramp, SerajewelKS , won't both use /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 02:53.09 | what_if | Jester45: true, i'd rather it work correctly though |
| 02:53.15 | Tramp | tuv: querying a nameserver may or may not part of resolving (well, ususally it is) - check the resolv.conf for how your applications resolve |
| 02:53.40 | what_if | Jester45: I just tried putting the inet6 before the inet4. It'll be up in a second |
| 02:53.41 | enouf | debstuck: new hardware? try a kmuto image or grab a recent livecd and pastbin your lspci -nn output - and or note your lsmod output |
| 02:53.48 | Tramp | tuv: sorry, nsswitch - for resolving |
| 02:54.03 | Jester45 | what_if, well you can do it for now so you dont have to do it on each boot and if you think you have to make a login script that tell you to fix it |
| 02:54.19 | Tramp | tuv: typically an application looks in /etc/hosts first (as directed by nsswitch.conf) |
| 02:54.25 | debstuck | well, I just realized something |
| 02:54.27 | tuv | Tramp, what is nsswitch and how is it relevent? |
| 02:54.41 | Jester45 | i also did it i had it echo fix bla blah bla 10 times each login |
| 02:54.43 | debstuck | with this install, first, you cant have everything. second, if you can have more than nothing, run with it |
| 02:54.52 | Jester45 | i got it fixed faily quick |
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| 02:54.58 | Tramp | tuv: I'm pretty sure, it has a manpage (man nsswitch.conf) |
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| 02:56.35 | tuv | Tramp, my setup works fine until i connect to a vpn. i made sure my local dns server (wireless router) is still the first nameserver in resolv.conf even when i'm connected to the vpn, nevertheless i can't ping (or any other application, e.g. http) my local machines by name when i'm connected to the vpn |
| 02:56.47 | tuv | Tramp, any ideas how i can fix this? |
| 02:57.21 | tuv | ip's work fine though |
| 02:58.23 | debstuck | is your vpn pushing routes and dhcp info? |
| 02:58.38 | debstuck | if it is, wont matter what you have for local settings |
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| 03:00.48 | Tramp | tuv: can you ping your nameserver by IP? |
| 03:01.30 | tuv | Tramp, yes i can |
| 03:02.00 | enouf | zeitsofas: #debian-de ? |
| 03:02.06 | tuv | Tramp, it's not that ping can't reach the host, it doesn't know its ip <-- dns problem |
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| 03:03.12 | Tramp | tuv: what gives "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf" |
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| 03:04.23 | tuv | Tramp, hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
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| 03:05.09 | Tramp | tuv: well, your problem is most likely the "mdns4_foo" whatever that is - some avahi/zeroconf stuff of somthing like that. no idea. |
| 03:06.02 | Tramp | tuv: remove the mdns4-stuff, then retry. If it helps, ask somebody who knows about this cruft. |
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| 03:07.37 | tuv | Tramp, no, no luch. same problem |
| 03:07.43 | tuv | s/luch/luck |
| 03:09.10 | Tramp | tuv: so how does this line look now? Is ping hanging or returning with "unknown host" |
| 03:10.15 | tuv | Tramp, unknown host. no difference |
| 03:10.29 | Tramp | tuv: so how does this line look now? |
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| 03:15.16 | enouf | fwiw , that avahi-daemon issue is described here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/94940 |
| 03:15.26 | tuv | Tramp, hosts: files dns |
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| 03:16.14 | Tramp | tuv: hmm. Weird. do you have nscd running? |
| 03:16.17 | enouf | and perhaps /usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html |
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| 03:16.35 | tuv | Tramp, nope |
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| 03:16.53 | Tramp | tuv: you checked with ps -ef | grep nscd, yes? |
| 03:17.29 | tuv | Tramp, actually i checked with ps ax, but both return the same thing: grep nscd only |
| 03:18.05 | enouf | netstat -tunap, lsof | egrep -i estab |
| 03:18.08 | enouf | gah |
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| 03:18.27 | enouf | netstat -tunap, lsof | egrep -i 'estab|list' |
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| 03:20.08 | Tramp | tuv: hmm. in a second window, "tcpdump -ni <IF> udp port 53". ping again. Does the tcpdump show traffic? (IF is the interface to your router) |
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| 03:21.59 | _ZeuZ_ | how can I make a bcm43xx card work with 2.6.24 kernel? I´ve heard there's a patch.. though I'm not sure on how to proceed |
| 03:23.11 | tuv | Tramp, lots of traffic. honestly i can't tell if any pertains to the ping |
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| 03:24.02 | tuv | Tramp, oh i think i knew what's the problem.. hold on |
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| 03:25.09 | omry_ | is Eclipse 3.3 available from an apt-get source? |
| 03:25.14 | Tramp | ... can hardly wait ... |
| 03:26.14 | tuv | Tramp, yay.. found it. a search line in my resolv.conf added when connected to the vpn. appends the vpn server's domain name to my local machines and prevents finding them. thanks to your tcpdump line, it showed the whole fqdn name in the dns request |
| 03:27.54 | Tramp | hmm. my fault. Should have mady you pastebin your resolv.conf. |
| 03:28.20 | tuv | Tramp, no worries. at least i know what it is now. thanks |
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| 03:28.31 | Tramp | tuv: "i made sure my local dns server (wireless router) is still the first nameserver in resolv.conf" <- you should have catched it at this point. |
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| 03:29.30 | tuv | Tramp, i saw the search line but didn't realize it had this effect. i though it would modify only hosts that are not found locally without a domain name |
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| 03:38.23 | debstuck | think I figured out my grub install issue |
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| 03:39.57 | debstuck | drive numbers ###########AS vs. ###########AM where the last position is truncated in the bios settings |
| 03:40.32 | zamuro | Hey... I deleted ~.Xauthority... How do I restore it. |
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| 03:40.49 | RyanRyan52 | How do I revert changes to a config file back to the one that was installed by default? |
| 03:40.51 | _ZeuZ_ | zamuro! |
| 03:40.52 | _ZeuZ_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.09 | zamuro | _ZeuZ_ Troll del orto!!! |
| 03:41.23 | _ZeuZ_ | zamuro: como andas papito?! :) |
| 03:41.35 | zamuro | _ZeuZ_ English only. |
| 03:41.44 | _ZeuZ_ | lol then how's it going? |
| 03:41.46 | zamuro | _ZeuZ_ Stop trolling |
| 03:42.32 | _ZeuZ_ | Huh? |
| 03:42.37 | _ZeuZ_ | define trolling |
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| 03:42.51 | SpineShank | sitting under a bridge waiting for little boys |
| 03:42.59 | _ZeuZ_ | I'm after some research to make my bcm43xx card work with 2.6.24 |
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| 03:43.10 | zamuro | _ZeuZ_: Asking about a definition of trolling is trolling per se... |
| 03:43.27 | SpineShank | _ZeuZ_, google bcm,43xx howto |
| 03:43.36 | _ZeuZ_ | SpineShank: Did |
| 03:43.36 | SpineShank | i just set mine up, lots of pages on doing it |
| 03:43.49 | zamuro | *sighs* I can't believe that the only active person on channel is a troll... |
| 03:43.51 | _ZeuZ_ | Apparently there's a glitch for 2.6.24 kernels |
| 03:44.16 | SpineShank | _ZeuZ_, well then what should you do? |
| 03:44.26 | SpineShank | 1. downgrade to 2.6.23 |
| 03:44.31 | SpineShank | 2. report a bug and wait |
| 03:44.41 | _ZeuZ_ | I0ve tried the bc43, the legacy ones, and the previous bcm43xx ones.. |
| 03:44.52 | _ZeuZ_ | SpineShank: It's reported, thoug the mantainer won't let it in |
| 03:44.56 | _ZeuZ_ | I've been diggin it.. |
| 03:45.14 | SpineShank | then looks like you either downgrade the kernel or just sit there without wireless |
| 03:45.46 | _ZeuZ_ | lol |
| 03:45.50 | _ZeuZ_ | it's not for me anyways.. |
| 03:46.14 | _ZeuZ_ | Though There's a possibilitie of getting it to work (as I just recived the info ) using the vanilla release of linuxwireless |
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| 03:48.43 | Tramp | zamuro: you cannot restore it. It's dynamical anyways. So you have to log out and log in again |
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| 03:55.05 | izishegda | Yow! It's some people inside the wall! This is better than mopping! |
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| 04:10.09 | agd | . |
| 04:13.50 | seeds | is testing sid and lenny combined? |
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| 04:16.10 | Guerin | seeds: no. |
| 04:16.13 | Guerin | !releases |
| 04:16.13 | dpkg | i guess releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 04:16.38 | seeds | k |
| 04:16.44 | seeds | !releases |
| 04:16.44 | dpkg | well, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 04:16.57 | Guerin | you thought it would be different? |
| 04:17.28 | seeds | so how come some of my repositories says sid and lenny? |
| 04:17.39 | seeds | i use lenny |
| 04:17.41 | Guerin | how should we know about your repositories? |
| 04:18.05 | Guerin | absent any other explanation, i blame user error |
| 04:18.07 | seeds | well some of the apps i wanted pointed me to certain repositories |
| 04:18.12 | streuner_ | hands Guerin a crystal thingie |
| 04:18.40 | seeds | they had both sid n lenny |
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| 04:20.14 | enouf | !8ball seeds sources.list |
| 04:20.15 | dpkg | I'm sure of it. |
| 04:21.10 | seeds | ? |
| 04:21.26 | Guerin | seeds: i recommend you read the apt documentation to get an understanding of why it's foolish to mix repositories |
| 04:21.44 | enouf | seeds: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 04:22.20 | Guerin | basically, the rule is that if you run stable, you only run stable. If you run testing or unstabvle there's a little more leeway, but things are likely to break |
| 04:22.46 | seeds | ok |
| 04:23.20 | seeds | i run testing |
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| 04:23.44 | enouf | a lot of backporting going on, but then it's no longer official etch, and security is a (much bigger) concern then also - and servers should run stable/etch |
| 04:23.58 | seeds | ok |
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| 04:26.58 | klobster | anyone figured out how to compile thc-vlogger on a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 04:29.52 | wakrelmix | is it possible to make a sudo session longer than a few mins? |
| 04:31.31 | Tramp | wakrelmix: man sudo/sudoers, search for timeout |
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| 04:33.47 | wakrelmix | Tramp: thanks |
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| 04:38.24 | nonzen | shouldn't anyremote install documentation in /usr/share/doc/anyremote, rather than /usr/share/anyremote? |
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| 04:38.34 | nonzen | is this worth a bug report? |
| 04:38.56 | V4Nelle | guys in debian's cd there are kernel sources?or i must download them? |
| 04:38.57 | tnks | anyone have an opinion on whether lvm mirroring is just as "good" as mdadm mirror? |
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| 04:41.21 | t00t | can you force remove a package? |
| 04:42.30 | streuner_ | hands t00t a sledgehammer |
| 04:42.39 | tnks | t00t: I don't use apt-get, but aptitude cycles through a lot of options that eventuall allow me to remove pacakges and dependencies if necessary. |
| 04:43.11 | streuner_ | t00t: why do think you need to *force* that? |
| 04:43.12 | t00t | yea well fine, my gcc got busted and want it reinstalled or sumtin |
| 04:43.28 | tnks | t00t: I would strongly recommend against using any --force type arguments to push your way through removing a package without removing those depending on the package. |
| 04:43.31 | t00t | cant remove it or anything |
| 04:43.42 | tnks | t00t: do a "reinstall" with aptitude. |
| 04:43.56 | t00t | aptitude reinstall <package>? |
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| 04:44.31 | tnks | t00t: apt-get install aptitude; aptitude reinstall $package |
| 04:44.32 | t00t | errors out |
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| 04:44.53 | tnks | t00t: hmm, pastebin the errors somewhere? |
| 04:45.05 | t00t | http://www.revpermin.com/pastebin/view.php?id=198 |
| 04:45.11 | t00t | yea was already working on that :p |
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| 04:53.41 | tnks | t00t: I'd try to debug the postinst script. |
| 04:54.00 | tnks | did you do a 'find' or 'locate' for dpkg-gettext.pl? |
| 04:54.09 | tnks | maybe you can identify a corrupt file. |
| 04:55.06 | tnks | t00t: also, you can try to do an "apt-file search dpkg-gettext.pl" to see what package provides it. |
| 04:55.06 | t00t | ill have a look |
| 04:56.10 | t00t | no apt-file |
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| 04:58.48 | tnks | t00t: apt-get install apt-file? |
| 04:59.04 | tnks | it's not a bad tool. |
| 04:59.06 | t00t | lol ofcourse |
| 04:59.42 | t00t | same error |
| 04:59.50 | t00t | >.> |
| 04:59.52 | t00t | bugger |
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| 04:59.56 | t00t | oh wait |
| 05:00.04 | t00t | maybe cuzz i still need to reboot XD |
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| 05:03.25 | tnks | XD? |
| 05:03.29 | tnks | t00t: ^ |
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| 05:10.32 | Dewi | does tasksel select meta-packages? |
| 05:10.40 | Dewi | I'd really like to see what tasks contain... |
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| 05:11.58 | liable | i expect yes, cause if you chose desktop, you get the full meta bloat versions. |
| 05:12.17 | Dewi | liable: I'm just wondering what's in "standard server" |
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| 05:12.26 | Dewi | liable: because it's mostly convenient, except I don't like getting exim |
| 05:12.37 | Dewi | liable: now that I have installed postfix, I wonder if it will still try to install that |
| 05:12.43 | Dewi | if I ran it now... |
| 05:12.52 | liable | Dewi: look in /usr/lib/tasksel |
| 05:13.30 | liable | meh, thats not usefull.. |
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| 05:14.21 | hark | tasksel --task-packages foo |
| 05:15.04 | liable | !win hark |
| 05:15.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, hark! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 05:15.32 | Jester45 | and each is a diffrent version Woot!!! |
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| 05:15.42 | hark | nice :) |
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| 05:56.16 | Dewi | hark: sigh. I stared at that man page a long time; I can't believe I didn't grok what that one did |
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| 06:08.50 | Dewi | oh, this is confusing |
| 06:09.01 | Dewi | one of the tasksel options appears to disappear after install... |
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| 06:10.16 | Dewi | isn't there meant to be a "standard server" option? |
| 06:10.30 | Penix | what's a 'standard server' supposed to mean? |
| 06:10.33 | Dewi | well |
| 06:10.47 | Penix | IIRC there's web, mail and db |
| 06:10.48 | Dewi | I remember my systems getting "less" and "exim" and "atd" |
| 06:10.58 | Dewi | and many other obvious inclusions |
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| 06:11.08 | Penix | isn't exim part of a base install? |
| 06:11.11 | Dewi | nope. |
| 06:11.43 | Dewi | according to my possibly flawed memory, it only gets installed if you leave the default-ticked "standard server" option in the installer tasksel |
| 06:12.07 | Dewi | I certainly have not installed exim in many years |
| 06:12.12 | Dewi | and *some* of my machines have it |
| 06:12.23 | Dewi | but according to tasksel they have the same number of tasks installed: zero |
| 06:12.48 | Penix | I'm not at a debian box right now, but from what I can find so far, exim *is* installed by default |
| 06:12.52 | Dewi | I'd really like to know what that list of packages is |
| 06:12.53 | Penix | and there's a "Standard system" tasks |
| 06:13.08 | Penix | s/tasks/task/ |
| 06:13.16 | Dewi | Penix: the standard system task is not available to me now though, that's what I'm saying |
| 06:13.22 | Dewi | Penix: it's simply not listed after install |
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| 06:14.11 | Penix | Dewi: maybe because you've already got a 'standard system' installation? |
| 06:14.21 | Dewi | Penix: but I *don't* on one of these |
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| 06:15.48 | Penix | Dewi: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/msg/cfe0f47b9dfeee18 |
| 06:15.57 | Penix | still trying to find something more significant... |
| 06:16.01 | simonrvn | it is installed since cron deps on MTA |
| 06:16.14 | Penix | try that aptitude trick though |
| 06:16.16 | simonrvn | and default mta is exim4, so... |
| 06:16.24 | Dewi | simonrvn: I didn't have any relay on this machine yesterday |
| 06:16.47 | Penix | I've removed exim post-install too many times to forget about it being default :) |
| 06:17.49 | simonrvn | well for the postfix fans, postfix was almost the default mta, but something happened they had to go for exim again |
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| 06:18.08 | Penix | that's what I replace exim with ;) |
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| 06:18.52 | Dewi | seriously, this machine didn't have exim, atd, nfs-common, klogd, fam, dbus.... |
| 06:19.08 | Dewi | and probably things like "less" until I individually installed them |
| 06:19.12 | simonrvn | install got stopped in the middle? |
| 06:19.23 | Dewi | no, I just unselected "standard system" in the installer tasksel |
| 06:19.27 | Penix | fam and dbus? |
| 06:19.30 | Dewi | to avoid getting exim |
| 06:19.38 | Penix | god, I hope that's not right |
| 06:19.42 | simonrvn | bit drastic... |
| 06:19.45 | Dewi | I've been doing this for some time |
| 06:19.59 | simonrvn | no, fam and dbus aren't... only "desktop" selects those |
| 06:20.10 | Dewi | simonrvn: okay maybe I've installed some x clients or something |
| 06:20.23 | Penix | doesn't sound like you're too sure anyway |
| 06:20.30 | Penix | s/anyway/anymore/ |
| 06:20.34 | simonrvn | that was aimed at Penix, but that's ok |
| 06:20.38 | Dewi | well these machines have been around for a while |
| 06:20.40 | Dewi | but the point is |
| 06:20.55 | Dewi | these machines all have very different lengths of package lists |
| 06:21.05 | Dewi | and I'd love to know what that option "standard system" does |
| 06:21.09 | Dewi | and why it disappears after install |
| 06:21.27 | Dewi | it's a complete black box, it seems |
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| 06:21.56 | simonrvn | i don't run tasksel. i just do the base install, reboot, run aptitude, let it install standard, then clear cache in the middle (before aptitude run) |
| 06:22.06 | Dewi | simonrvn: the standard installer invokes tasksel |
| 06:22.16 | simonrvn | yeh, and i exit it ;) |
| 06:22.27 | Dewi | right |
| 06:22.31 | Dewi | so do I |
| 06:22.37 | Dewi | now how do I find out what that option installs? |
| 06:22.43 | Dewi | because it's gone now on all 4 machines I just checked |
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| 06:23.11 | simonrvn | you didn't let it install standard |
| 06:23.20 | Dewi | on all my recent machines, yes |
| 06:23.24 | Dewi | and I didn't get exim |
| 06:23.26 | simonrvn | er, s,it,, |
| 06:23.29 | Dewi | maybe it was different in sarge |
| 06:23.36 | Dewi | I think in etch you can avoid exim |
| 06:23.54 | Dewi | I definitely had cron, and no MTA, on this machine yesterday |
| 06:23.56 | simonrvn | anyway, back to my flag.. later |
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| 06:45.25 | nsg | i have a problem with xserver, i am tracking lenny sid, last week i upgraded, from then i am not able to xserver, after booting it stops in virtual console, using startx command i have to get in. Any solutions ... |
| 06:46.00 | Penix | nsg: which one is it? lenny or sid? |
| 06:46.30 | nsg | it sid |
| 06:47.22 | wols_ | nsg: what display manager do you run? |
| 06:47.25 | hark | if you can use startx, check your dm instead |
| 06:47.42 | nsg | using gnome |
| 06:47.56 | wols_ | is gnome your display managerß |
| 06:47.59 | wols_ | ? |
| 06:48.48 | Penix | nsg: gdm's not running for some reason obviously. check your logs for a possible reason why. that is, if it's a gdm problem |
| 06:49.18 | Penix | nsg: then check the bts for any gdm bugs, but you knew that already didn't you? |
| 06:50.15 | enouf | $ tasksel --task-packages standard | xargs echo |
| 06:50.15 | enouf | ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 06:50.22 | enouf | hrm |
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| 06:50.37 | Penix | I don't know whether to !win or !lose that one |
| 06:51.06 | nsg | when i give startx its gives some error like "dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 06:51.14 | enouf | Task: standard Section: user Description: Standard system This task installs a reasonably small character-mode system. Packages: standard Test-new-install: mark skip |
| 06:51.17 | hark | Dewi: the standard system selection installs all the imporant required and standard priority packages |
| 06:51.18 | Penix | nsg: read the error again |
| 06:51.24 | Penix | nsg: what is it telling you? |
| 06:51.38 | enouf | file:///usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc |
| 06:51.56 | Dewi | enouf: aah |
| 06:52.02 | Dewi | enouf: thanks |
| 06:52.03 | Penix | enouf: bah. I was running around on a wild goose chase. wasting time looking through debian-cd even |
| 06:52.26 | enouf | Penix: i just happened to look into it a bit awhile back |
| 06:52.53 | hark | it's hidden after install because of Test-new-install :mark skip |
| 06:52.55 | Dewi | whoa... debian live CD kernel just crashed within vmware... cute |
| 06:53.11 | Penix | we have a winnah! |
| 06:53.32 | Dewi | hark: that's really odd |
| 06:53.42 | Penix | not really |
| 06:53.44 | enouf | Penix: was curious about the installgui tasks='standard,kde-desktop' type boot commands, and stuff |
| 06:53.49 | nsg | its a big list, giving some of the modules have been buils in and glx has not been loaded |
| 06:54.18 | Penix | nsg: *buzz* try again |
| 06:54.52 | nsg | what to try again |
| 06:55.39 | nsg | i have reinstalled gdm to , tried to restart with "/etc/init.d restart" but i doesnt worked... |
| 06:55.44 | Penix | nsg: if you can successfully run an X session with startx, then the glx error doesn't matter |
| 06:56.06 | Penix | nsg: "doesn't work" doesn't work here. check your X logs for actual errors |
| 06:56.08 | enouf | priority=important and priority=required is 2/3 of "[x] Standard" .. i guess the last 1/3 is pkgs marked as priority=standard ;-) |
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| 06:59.17 | rabidweezle | what's the dpkg command to reconfigure xorg's graphic's and keyboard settings again? |
| 06:59.41 | rabidweezle | thanks |
| 07:00.09 | Penix | rabidweezle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:00.44 | Penix | err. ok |
| 07:01.27 | Penix | either I'm lagging or my ignore list is too big |
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| 07:03.12 | nsg | hey i forgot to say another thing,when i give "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" , its shift to autodetecting keyboard and mouse, not detecting the video card. I manually edited the /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but it doesn't worked |
| 07:03.30 | enouf | $ sudo tasksel -t --new-install install standard |
| 07:03.30 | enouf | debconf-apt-progress -- aptitude -q --without-recommends -y install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 07:03.34 | enouf | brave :-P |
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| 07:05.47 | enouf | "/etc/init.d restart" is not "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" |
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| 07:07.46 | enouf | if you had previously been using a 3D proprietary driver, i'd expect you to have video issues nsg |
| 07:09.06 | lymeca | Woo! |
| 07:09.13 | lymeca | I just got back from the annual FSF members meeting |
| 07:09.14 | Penix | yeah, me smells an nvidia driver |
| 07:10.15 | nsg | but mine intel card, its not 3D card, after upgrading i am facing this problem |
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| 07:11.09 | Penix | nsg: I'll say it again; check your logs |
| 07:11.15 | Penix | nsg: find out what is actually going wrong |
| 07:11.31 | Penix | nsg: we certainly don't know |
| 07:11.54 | nsg | ok, i am checking |
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| 07:18.18 | k-man | is there a keyboard shortcut to launch nautilus under gnome? |
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| 07:21.44 | Penix | k-man: seems to atleast have a 'Home folder' entry in the shortcuts prefs dialog |
| 07:22.54 | k-man | Penix, yeah, but it doesn't seem to do anything for me |
| 07:23.08 | Penix | have you set/enabled it? |
| 07:23.21 | k-man | Penix, yeah |
| 07:23.38 | k-man | i have set some other shortcuts which work, but that one doesn't |
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| 07:26.57 | whalesalad | Has anyone here heard of the command let? I am running into it in a shell script. The script is awesome but it uses the command let which... I do not have and am having trouble finding documentation for |
| 07:27.24 | simonrvn | man bash? man ksh? :P |
| 07:27.42 | simonrvn | sounds like a shell builtin, frankly |
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| 07:30.50 | Dewi | whalesalad: search '^\s*let' within man bash |
| 07:31.12 | Dewi | (or whatever shell you are targetting) |
| 07:31.21 | whalesalad | I looked at the top of the script and its got the "#! /bin/sh" stuff. Any way I can get that command working in bash |
| 07:31.32 | whalesalad | sorry if thats a dumb question |
| 07:32.01 | wmono | If I need a xen dom0 kernel that's newer than 2.6.18 (due to hardware support) am I SOL? |
| 07:32.04 | simonrvn | bash is sh by default. it's probably looking for a real sh |
| 07:32.09 | jescis | is it my settings thatI don't see the japanese text(harigana/katakana)? |
| 07:32.15 | simonrvn | (real being POSIX compliant here) |
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| 07:32.49 | whalesalad | simonrvn: im a silly web designer, im not too sure how to fix my problem from what you said. basically I run the command let or man let or which let and get nothing, how can I get let workin in bash? |
| 07:33.17 | whalesalad | it works in my normal login shell, which I believe is bash, but if I do a sudo let nothing happens |
| 07:33.17 | Dewi | some man pages, including aptitude's, are full of strange codes like this: \fBremove\fR, \fBpurge\fR, \fBhold\fR, \fBunhold\fR, \fBkeep\fR, \fBreinstall\fR |
| 07:33.27 | Dewi | do those look familiar to anyone? |
| 07:33.29 | simonrvn | see what i said about "shell builtin" and what Dewi said about the search in man bash |
| 07:33.42 | simonrvn | yeh, those are ?roff |
| 07:33.53 | simonrvn | they're roff formatting codes |
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| 07:34.38 | simonrvn | probably didn't get run through roff properly |
| 07:34.39 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.54 | Dewi | simonrvn: it's happening on all my systems... I guess there's probably a bug |
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| 07:34.58 | simonrvn | norton crap is OT |
| 07:35.29 | Dewi | and also crap |
| 07:35.29 | superlinux | simonrvn By God I know that |
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| 07:38.56 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 07:45.53 | simonrvn | superlinux: it can also be done in the mua, of course. |
| 07:46.37 | whalesalad | Hey guys is it possible to run two sites on the same machine, one using the django dev version and the other using 96? |
| 07:46.47 | whalesalad | woah wrong irc room hah sorry |
| 07:46.55 | whalesalad | debian != django |
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| 07:49.05 | Dewi | enouf: do you happen to know which group of packages is installed *before* the standard system task comes along? |
| 07:49.45 | enouf | Dewi: none? ;-P |
| 07:50.00 | wmono | should be base unless i'm misreading the question |
| 07:50.38 | Dewi | wmono: what does that mean in terms of apt? |
| 07:50.49 | Penix | Dewi: what does that mean? |
| 07:51.11 | Dewi | afaik apt is aware of nothing called 'base' |
| 07:51.21 | Dewi | it's 'required' 'important' 'standard' etc |
| 07:51.34 | Dewi | (priorities) |
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| 07:51.53 | Penix | I assume wmono is referring to a 'base system' minus the 'standard' task's packages |
| 07:51.59 | enouf | Dewi: you could look through the /var/log/{debian-}installer/templates (questions.dat) and syslog and such |
| 07:52.07 | Dewi | Penix: that's what I'm asking about |
| 07:52.31 | Dewi | Penix: calling it "base" doesn't help me identify the packages though, I am seeking knowledge of how they are classified in apt |
| 07:52.56 | Penix | no, it sure doesn't |
| 07:53.35 | wmono | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html see 2.2.6 |
| 07:53.43 | Penix | Dewi: you could try installing without the standard task like you say you did, and checking what you have installed |
| 07:54.06 | Penix | s/checking/check/ |
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| 07:54.37 | wmono | as for apt, I can't say I've ever thought about it |
| 07:54.57 | wmono | maybe you can see what cdebootstrap does |
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| 07:56.30 | Penix | Dewi: or have a look inside a netinst image or something |
| 07:56.55 | Penix | Dewi: base-debs.tgz or something perhaps |
| 07:58.22 | Dewi | it seems that 'required' and 'important' are installed |
| 07:58.37 | Dewi | 'required' probably can never be uninstalled, but 'important' can often be replaced |
| 07:58.50 | Dewi | and 'standard' comes in with the tasksel |
| 07:58.59 | jescis | are you running xterm when you start in console/terminal mode? |
| 07:59.22 | Penix | jescis: you mean, your TERM variable? |
| 07:59.33 | jescis | I guess |
| 07:59.38 | Penix | jescis: it's 'linux' IIRC |
| 08:00.21 | jescis | I was reading the terminal doc on debian.org |
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| 08:00.39 | Dewi | jescis: no you're not |
| 08:00.47 | Dewi | jescis: that's the 'linux' terminal |
| 08:00.58 | Dewi | jescis: it does have most of the features associated with xterms though |
| 08:01.00 | jescis | and when I run startx it says it's already running. |
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| 08:01.30 | Penix | jescis: maybe it's already running then |
| 08:02.04 | jescis | but I have no gui :/ |
| 08:02.12 | jescis | is confused |
| 08:02.13 | Penix | jescis: Alt+F7 |
| 08:02.17 | Penix | jescis: what happens? |
| 08:02.44 | jescis | screen blanks out |
| 08:03.03 | Penix | jescis: what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 08:03.26 | jescis | I can't read japanese text |
| 08:03.40 | Dewi | is that a technical issue? :) |
| 08:03.49 | Dewi | I can't either... |
| 08:03.56 | Penix | jescis: you mean, your xterm/whatever in X won't display japanese properly? |
| 08:04.09 | jescis | no, I mean the locale |
| 08:04.20 | Dewi | jescis: hmm |
| 08:04.25 | jescis | Penix: yeah |
| 08:04.35 | Dewi | jescis: your locale doesn't affect what X can and can't display |
| 08:04.36 | Penix | jescis: you've done dpkg-reconfigure locales and chose what you want? |
| 08:04.49 | Dewi | jescis: but it does effect what some systems *interpret* characters to actually *be* |
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| 08:04.52 | jescis | not yet |
| 08:05.01 | Dewi | jescis: so what isn't displaying correctly? |
| 08:05.17 | Penix | jescis: is it just your X terminals that doesn't display japanese? or your whole system? |
| 08:05.19 | Dewi | jescis: you might just be missing the fonts |
| 08:05.36 | jescis | the actual japanese text and some other cheracters |
| 08:05.47 | Dewi | jescis: yes, in *what*? |
| 08:05.51 | Dewi | jescis: web browser? |
| 08:06.04 | Penix | jescis: if it's only your terminal having problems, you might need a utf8 capable term or something |
| 08:06.05 | jescis | w3m and irssi |
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| 08:06.09 | Dewi | jescis: web browsers are not effected by your locale |
| 08:06.14 | Dewi | jescis: and neither should irssi be |
| 08:06.25 | Dewi | s/effected/affected/ |
| 08:06.33 | Dewi | jescis: you probably are missing the fonts to display japanese |
| 08:06.44 | Dewi | jescis: unfortunately I don't know what those would be... |
| 08:06.56 | jescis | I there too |
| 08:07.01 | Dewi | jescis: try searching your package tool for 'font' |
| 08:07.12 | jescis | k |
| 08:07.21 | Penix | sometimes I like being an ignorant english speaker :) |
| 08:07.34 | Penix | silly locales and all the rest of it. |
| 08:08.23 | jescis | lol @ Penix |
| 08:08.38 | Dewi | Penix: as a monoglot I still find myself having to know a lot about unicode... just for curly quotes and all that :) |
| 08:09.22 | Dewi | Penix: and people's names too |
| 08:09.38 | Ace2016 | wols_: you there? |
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| 08:10.10 | Ace2016 | will never ever ever talk with hp support again |
| 08:10.51 | jescis | lol |
| 08:11.20 | jescis | Ace2016: HP support suck that bad? |
| 08:11.27 | Ace2016 | yes yes they do |
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| 08:11.50 | Ace2016 | i asked to have the contact details of someone who knew about bios specific things, they said they could handle it |
| 08:12.22 | Ace2016 | in the end i completely lost it when they said AMD makes the bios and gives it to HP and they cannot configure it |
| 08:12.41 | jescis | o.O |
| 08:12.50 | jescis | wtf? |
| 08:12.57 | jescis | lol |
| 08:13.26 | Ace2016 | and i'm looking at the bios with phoenix written on it, and also looking at the advanced settings which were forcibly hidden |
| 08:13.36 | Ace2016 | turns out the bios cannot detect my motherboard correctly |
| 08:14.10 | Eulex | haha |
| 08:14.29 | jescis | hates these propriatory companies and that's why! |
| 08:14.55 | jescis | they tend to hire stupid techs XD |
| 08:14.55 | Ace2016 | the systems ship with a generic bios, to which an encoded vb script adds the finishing touches, but with my system it got screwed up, and it thinks the 17" system is a 14"? system and thus the nvidia options and keyboard settings are completely screwed up, the hardware is ok but the bios that the software is putting on it sligly off |
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| 08:16.06 | jescis | I'd try to hack the binary |
| 08:16.07 | Ace2016 | its the correct bios with the wrong configuration |
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| 08:16.24 | Ace2016 | yea easier said than done |
| 08:16.35 | jescis | yeah I agree |
| 08:17.03 | Penix | vb script?...bios?...eewww |
| 08:17.10 | jescis | I said I'd do it. I didn't say I could ;) |
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| 08:18.10 | Ace2016 | well no point doing something if you can't with something as critical as the bios |
| 08:18.16 | jescis | yeah, vb on windows is bad enough. But with the bios o.O |
| 08:18.43 | Lucidiot | I'm having graphics problems with an IBM p4 netvista. the resolution is stuck on 640 x 400, 75hz. the chipset for the integrated graphics is i845, xorg-xserver drivers are installed. ideas?? |
| 08:19.16 | Lucidiot | 17" LCD gateway, model FPD1730 |
| 08:19.52 | jescis | Lucidiot: reconfigure xserver? |
| 08:20.02 | Lucidiot | um...?? lol |
| 08:20.10 | Ace2016 | what resolution should it be at, wols_ suggested i remove everything apart from the entry i need from my xorg.conf |
| 08:21.27 | Lucidiot | I was previously using 1172 x w/e it was... something like that. different machine tho, on mepis (same monitor). |
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| 08:23.09 | Ace2016 | never heard of that resolution |
| 08:23.12 | Lucidiot | I did find a google hit describing this problem, I tried the recommended solution without success. |
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| 08:23.31 | Ace2016 | ok have you installed the graphics drivers? |
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| 08:23.48 | Lucidiot | one sec. |
| 08:23.59 | dude_ | if i was to just put a new 4800AMD64 cpu in here i have a 38AMD64, will it just detect that without any issues? |
| 08:24.01 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys. Is there a way to "detach" an X-session? |
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| 08:24.35 | fredl | hi folks. I'm trying to set up logging in using ssh to a remote debian box. I've created an id_dsa.pub on my client, I've concatenated that to the %h/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server.... |
| 08:24.55 | fredl | however, it still asks me for a password when I try to remotely log in |
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| 08:25.17 | wmono | fredl: does ssh -vv show a key exchange happening? |
| 08:25.21 | Lucidiot | I have the xserver-xorgvideo-i810 installed |
| 08:25.35 | Lucidiot | 915res is installed as well |
| 08:25.44 | ArtVandalae | fredl, on your client or on your server? Where do you put the public key? |
| 08:25.49 | jescis | ArtVandalae: screen is the only software I'm aware of that does that |
| 08:26.41 | fredl | ArtVandalae, on the client I've generated an id.dsa(.pub). I concatenated client:%h/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to the server:%h/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 08:27.27 | jescis | as per the "detach" part of your statement. |
| 08:27.30 | wmono | dude assuming your motherboard and bios support the new cpu, i don't see any reason it won't work |
| 08:27.43 | ArtVandalae | fredl, when you generated the key-pair, and it prompted you for a keypass, did you enter anything in? |
| 08:28.02 | Dewi | ArtVandalae: best way I know is to run a vnc x server |
| 08:28.11 | Dewi | ArtVandalae: and then detach VNC... it sucks but it's all I got |
| 08:28.33 | fredl | ArtVandalae, nope. I want this key to be passwordless |
| 08:28.38 | ArtVandalae | Dewi, yeah that's what I'm doing right now. I'd like to make it more secure. |
| 08:28.44 | Ace2016 | dude_: yea, just make sure the motherboard supports it |
| 08:28.52 | jescis | is seldom any help -_- |
| 08:29.00 | Dewi | fredl: are you sure the key is not encrypted? |
| 08:29.09 | Dewi | fredl: the private one |
| 08:29.12 | Dewi | fredl: on the client |
| 08:29.19 | wmono | fredl: have you tried ssh -vv like i suggested to see if it's even looking at the keys? |
| 08:29.30 | fredl | Dewi - yes I'm sure. Well that is, I did not specify a password when ssh-keygen asked for it |
| 08:29.37 | Dewi | ArtVandalae: more secure == close the VNC ports and tunnel it via ssh |
| 08:30.03 | Dewi | ArtVandalae: I'm never really happy with the non-resizeable desktop or VNC slowness though :/ |
| 08:30.31 | Dewi | fredl: are you sure you didn't supply a password of '' ? |
| 08:31.03 | fredl | Dewi - yes I am, I just hit enter |
| 08:31.15 | Dewi | fredl: what's the message you see when you connect? |
| 08:31.20 | fredl | wmono - yes I tried that too, would you like to see the output of that? |
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| 08:31.53 | wmono | fredl just the last few lines where it talks about keys |
| 08:32.07 | Dewi | fredl: and the line where it asks you to type stuff |
| 08:32.15 | jescis | Dewi & Penix, I only see fontconfig-config when I searched aptitude for "font" |
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| 08:32.59 | Dewi | jescis: I get 176 packages |
| 08:33.01 | jescis | might need to look at the uninstalled part too :/ |
| 08:33.08 | Dewi | jescis: from 'sudo aptitude search font' |
| 08:33.20 | fredl | wmono - http://pastebin.ca/944642 |
| 08:33.44 | Dewi | jescis: xfonts-intl-japanese / xfonts-intl-japanese-big |
| 08:33.55 | Dewi | jescis: might contain something useful |
| 08:33.55 | fredl | so it clearly (I think) shows me that it's not asking for the password to decrypt the key |
| 08:34.19 | wmono | fredl just a shot in the dark, what permissions on ~/.ssh and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote end? |
| 08:35.00 | wmono | i forget what it demands for 'safe mode' but 700 and 600 respectively should do it for sure |
| 08:35.18 | fredl | wmono - your shot in the dark helped :) |
| 08:35.44 | fredl | the permissions were correct, I checked those, however I forgot that sudo bash doesn't drop me in the homedir of root :) |
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| 08:35.55 | wmono | aha! |
| 08:36.05 | wmono | hey wait, you're allowing root logins? ;p |
| 08:36.05 | Dewi | hehe |
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| 08:36.43 | fredl | wmono - yes, I am but only with a DSA key |
| 08:37.06 | wmono | wishes a magic faerie would backport 2.6.23 hardware support into 2.6.18-xen-vserver |
| 08:37.24 | fredl | it's not the safest thing to do I guess but short of seeding an ssh-agent with an encryption key it's the best thing I can think of |
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| 08:38.15 | Dewi | fredl: it's a little better to use an agent |
| 08:38.38 | Dewi | fredl: they work damn confusingly in openssh though |
| 08:38.44 | wmono | seems a pretty slight difference |
| 08:39.07 | wmono | either way a compromise leaves the remote system hosed |
| 08:39.19 | wmono | but yeah, it's definitely not as bad as allowing password logins |
| 08:39.28 | Dewi | wmono: not if he used an encrypted private key |
| 08:39.48 | wmono | dewi, and the attacker also grabs the script used to decrypt the key, so .. |
| 08:39.49 | fredl | well using an agent I would at least have an encrypted ssh passwd but I'd need to reseed it every reboot and make sure cron sessions can see the same ssh-agent |
| 08:39.57 | Dewi | I've often wished openssh supported allowing different methods for different users |
| 08:40.10 | wmono | oh, yeah, or that. that would be the same annoyance as httpd with encrypted keys |
| 08:40.14 | Dewi | I'd love to disable root's password logins without disabling everyone else |
| 08:40.46 | Dewi | fredl: why does cron need it? for backup? |
| 08:40.48 | jescis | Dewi: I installed fonty. But xfonts-intl-japanese && xfonts-intl-japanese-big gave warnings |
| 08:40.52 | fredl | hmm well maybe I can think of something else altogether as I'm setting this up to make a remote backup of the mail folder.... |
| 08:41.11 | fredl | so I figured I'd rsync -e ssh |
| 08:41.20 | wmono | fredl I have a user log in that can sudo a specific script owned by root |
| 08:41.38 | fredl | however, the remote mailserver uses a virtual maildomain so I could just use the vmail user instead |
| 08:41.40 | Dewi | fredl: personally I keep all my keys on my own workstation; and backup jobs I start within a terminal session so that they can use SSH agent forwarding to connect back to my workstation for auth |
| 08:42.55 | fredl | yeah using the vmail userid seems possible, that may be a far better option, I think I'll set that up instead |
| 08:43.30 | fredl | Dewi - yeah my encrypted keys I keep only on my workstation |
| 08:45.54 | SparFux | I have problem with wine 0.9.57~winehq0~debian~4.0-1 and capi driver. The libcapi seems to be in wine package and I can't install libcapi because the corresponding version seems not to be there. It might be included in package wine now, but it doesn't get loaded, so I can't use capi. Why isn't it loaded at all? |
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| 08:46.43 | SparFux | The file /usr/lib/wine/capi2032.dll.so is all there and it has been installed from wine package. |
| 08:47.09 | jescis | superlinux: they have a irc channel too iirc |
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| 08:48.48 | jescis | SparFux: #winehq |
| 08:48.53 | SparFux | thx. |
| 08:49.25 | jescis | np |
| 08:50.53 | jescis | is still a irc noob and doesn't really know what iirc means :p |
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| 08:51.44 | Penix | !iirc |
| 08:51.44 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 08:53.19 | Duddle | hello! shouldn't "ALL: 211.72.249.252" in /etc/hosts.deny completely deny all traffic from 211.72.249.252 to my machine? |
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| 08:54.23 | Duddle | that IP is currently brute-forcing my server, and even though he is blocked (I guess), he is still accepted |
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| 08:55.18 | Arelis | Hello everybody. I am going to try Mepis. Before i try it though, can anyone tell me what Mepis is like? |
| 08:55.31 | mbroeker | Duddle, its denies access to all tcp-wrapped services after service restart i think |
| 08:55.51 | Duddle | so I have to restart vsftpd, then it reads the /etc/hosts.deny? |
| 08:56.10 | Dewi | Duddle: no, that's an inetd file |
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| 08:56.16 | Dewi | Duddle: and will only apply to services running via inetd |
| 08:57.14 | Dewi | Duddle: for "all traffic" type uses you really should use your firewall (iptables and/or a frontend) |
| 08:57.18 | simonrvn | hosts.deny applies as soon as the process re-reads it |
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| 08:58.11 | Duddle | ok, thank you |
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| 08:59.24 | woden | What is the best way to install NVIDIA 3D drivers on Debian Etch? |
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| 09:06.54 | mbroeker | Duddle, iptables -A INPUT -s 88.98.177.1/32 -j DROP may help ( 88.89.x.y is the ip of the attacker, 32 is the netmask) i am not sure at all, but i think it may work this way :) |
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| 09:07.30 | Duddle | well, of course I want to automate the blocking |
| 09:07.45 | Duddle | so I configured DenyHosts and thought it would do the job |
| 09:08.29 | Duddle | but if I have to restart the service every time a new hosts.deny-entry is added... well, that's not what I want :) |
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| 09:08.48 | mbroeker | Duddle, in my hosts.deny, i have a rule ALL: ALL |
| 09:09.21 | mbroeker | Duddle, and this is my hosts.allow: http://rafb.net/p/jognd566.html |
| 09:09.50 | mbroeker | this way, i block the whole world, but it works for me... |
| 09:11.43 | Duddle | thanks... that won't work for me since I don't know from which domain people will try to access the ftp and ssh service |
| 09:11.52 | Duddle | well, I'll just research some more :) |
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| 09:12.39 | sigp239 | Hi, I need the kernel source installed in order to setup the NVIDIA 3D driver. What is the name of the package? Thanks. |
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| 09:14.45 | mbroeker | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 09:14.46 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 09:15.35 | jescis | Dewi: it still no good :( |
| 09:15.45 | sigp239 | mbroeker: I am not using the oneliner |
| 09:16.04 | Dewi | sigp239: why not? |
| 09:16.07 | sigp239 | mbroeker: I'm using the driver from nvidia.com |
| 09:16.18 | sigp239 | Dewi: I don't know. Because it's newer? |
| 09:16.20 | Dewi | sigp239: people in here hate that |
| 09:16.21 | jescis | thinks he should give up on other incodings in terminal mode |
| 09:16.29 | Dewi | sigp239: I don't know much about it |
| 09:16.49 | sigp239 | Dewi: You don't know the name of the package? |
| 09:16.55 | mbroeker | sigp239, install the linux-source-<tab> package and libncurses.dev |
| 09:17.01 | mbroeker | sigp239, install the linux-source-<tab> package and libncurses-dev |
| 09:17.36 | jescis | mbroeker: Have you tried envy? |
| 09:17.40 | sigp239 | mbroeker: What is <tab> ? |
| 09:17.56 | maligor | a button |
| 09:18.09 | Dewi | sigp239: your kernel version |
| 09:18.13 | mbroeker | it completes to the package name for you |
| 09:18.19 | sigp239 | Oh |
| 09:18.27 | Decepticon | 31123adf |
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| 09:18.36 | sigp239 | Does "linux-source-2.6.18" sound right? |
| 09:18.37 | mbroeker | and its libncurses5-dev |
| 09:18.47 | maligor | yeah, I first found the autocomple scripts weird |
| 09:19.12 | Decepticon | hi, how do i change the default video player in etch from totem to vlc? |
| 09:19.17 | jescis | mbroeker: Did you hear me? |
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| 09:19.56 | mbroeker | no, but i can read what you are typing. i dont use a mbrola or festival script in xchat :) |
| 09:20.29 | mbroeker | and no, jescis i have no clue what envy can be... |
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| 09:20.57 | fredl | hmm alright, backing up using rsync and just the mailserver username works alright. |
| 09:20.59 | jescis | envy will help you with installing nvidias new drivers for you |
| 09:21.11 | amphi | jescis: not really |
| 09:21.26 | jescis | it's supposed to |
| 09:21.28 | jaggy- | I added a two konsole icons, one for normal and one for root shell -- however, both now pop up root shells. I can't figure out where this is configured. |
| 09:21.44 | jescis | I've used it |
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| 09:21.47 | fredl | I just bought one of those 500GB external USB disks... amazing how little these things cost these days. I got mine for 82 euros. |
| 09:21.55 | jaggy- | it doesn't seem to be a command-line option, and loading a normal-shell (and closing the root one), then saving as Default doesn't save that either. |
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| 09:22.46 | jaggy- | anyone know where i set konsole's session type (icon specific) |
| 09:22.46 | sigp239 | It still says that it's unable to find the kernel source |
| 09:22.48 | jescis | amphi: I've used it |
| 09:22.52 | fredl | I wonder... how do you get, using dpkg or something like that, a list of all the config files for a package? |
| 09:23.06 | amphi | jescis: great |
| 09:23.20 | sigp239 | How do I install the kernel source? |
| 09:23.27 | mbroeker | fredl, dpkg -l <packagename> gives a list of all files in that package |
| 09:23.36 | mbroeker | fredl, dpkg -L <packagename> gives a list of all files in that package sorry |
| 09:24.18 | fredl | mbroeker - that I know :) but I only want a list of configuration files. |
| 09:24.26 | sigp239 | mbroeker: I installed kernel-source-2.6.18 and libncurses5-dev, but the nvidia installer still says that it can't find the kernel source. |
| 09:24.30 | amphi | jescis: I haven't, nor do I know what it does, but it's seems that it causes problems, and is generally frowned upon |
| 09:24.41 | mbroeker | sigp239, cd /usr/src/ |
| 09:24.56 | fredl | mbroeker, I don't care much about backing up all the binaries in a package.... |
| 09:25.03 | sigp239 | mbroeker: yes, I see it in there |
| 09:25.07 | mbroeker | untar the file there and make a symlink ln -s linux-<tab> linux |
| 09:25.19 | sigp239 | mbroeker: oh. ok. I'll try that |
| 09:25.24 | fredl | however, config files (maybe even a list of just the modified ones) are more interesting to back up |
| 09:25.39 | jescis | But the drivers used by debian are not all that. |
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| 09:25.58 | sigp239 | mbroeker how do I make the symblink? |
| 09:26.52 | Penix | sigp239: [20:24] <mbroeker> untar the file there and make a symlink ln -s linux-<tab> linux |
| 09:27.01 | mbroeker | ^^ |
| 09:27.20 | jescis | mbroeker: www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.htm |
| 09:27.36 | sigp239 | Penix: Ok I did that, but now I get another error from the nvidia.com installer |
| 09:28.03 | mbroeker | sigp239, you haven't configured your kernel, right? |
| 09:28.09 | sigp239 | mbroeker: No I haven't. |
| 09:28.20 | jescis | mbroeker: That's the page to get envy |
| 09:28.42 | mbroeker | open a webbrowser; cd linux; make menuconfig and read the online docs :) |
| 09:29.09 | sigp239 | mbroeker: It says "The kernel header file '/usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h' does not exist. The most likely reason for this is that the kernel source files in '/usr/src/linux' have not been configured. |
| 09:29.30 | mbroeker | sigp239, open a webbrowser; cd linux; make menuconfig and read the online docs :) |
| 09:29.39 | wols_ | jescis: do not talk about envy here |
| 09:29.43 | sigp239 | mbroeker: I have installed the nvidia.com driver with debian before, and I never had to do this before. |
| 09:29.46 | Penix | sigp239: you can copy over your config from /boot and let 'make' do its thing for a bit, then usually you can stop the build and continue with the nvidia install |
| 09:29.57 | Penix | sigp239: funny. I've always had to |
| 09:30.03 | Penix | sigp239: because that's how it works |
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| 09:30.21 | jescis | Why not what harm is a newer driver? |
| 09:30.37 | wols_ | the harm is envy. it breaks you package system, hard |
| 09:30.53 | sigp239 | mbroeker: I don't have a webbrowser, I'm in console mode. |
| 09:30.54 | jescis | it hasn't mine |
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| 09:31.04 | wols_ | sigp239: #nvidia |
| 09:31.08 | Penix | sigp239: you don't need X for a browser |
| 09:31.18 | mbroeker | sigp239, ok you want a custom kernel so set it up correctly. |
| 09:31.19 | wols_ | no, you don't know what it did, which is why you say that |
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| 09:32.16 | wols_ | sigp239: why didn't you install the linux-headers for your kernel? |
| 09:32.20 | jescis | I know it downloaded and ran tyhe *.run package from nvidia |
| 09:32.38 | sigp239 | wols_: I have no idea what I'm doing, that's why. I just want to install the nvidia.com driver. |
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| 09:32.53 | wols_ | sigp239: then go to #nvidia, not here |
| 09:33.05 | wols_ | even when it's not necessary since debian has the nvidia drevrs already |
| 09:33.13 | Penix | sigp239: or /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 09:33.22 | sigp239 | wols_:Debian has the nvidia drivers already? |
| 09:33.23 | jescis | yeah an older one :p |
| 09:33.33 | wols_ | sigp239: we support debian software, not nvidia's software |
| 09:33.39 | wols_ | !info nvidia-glx |
| 09:33.44 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 169.09-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5035 kB, Installed size: 14924 kB |
| 09:33.53 | wols_ | jescis: see how mistaken you are? |
| 09:34.08 | Eulex | sigp239, debian has them, but cannot support them, as debian does not have the source. |
| 09:34.35 | wols_ | Eulex: we generally support thosef from non-rfee since they are the best way to get them into your system |
| 09:34.39 | wols_ | without any breakage |
| 09:34.48 | Eulex | well yeah |
| 09:35.15 | maligor | and those don't get broken everytime something in x updates |
| 09:35.18 | sigp239 | mbroeker: All I needed was the linux-headers, I didn't need to do that make menuconfig stuff you were talking about. |
| 09:35.36 | maligor | unless envy does something evil |
| 09:36.24 | mbroeker | sigp239, i have a custom kernel. so i need to do it really this way. |
| 09:36.29 | jescis | But envy doesn't do anything more than downloading and running the package from nvidias website. Is fact not just opinion |
| 09:37.00 | jescis | as I've used it even in ubuntu |
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| 09:37.34 | jescis | either way I still don't have a gui |
| 09:37.50 | wols_ | jescis: you are wrong. also no one in #ubuntu will ever help you with envy |
| 09:38.02 | wols_ | jescis: read the ubotu factoid about envy. applies in here too |
| 09:38.11 | jescis | besides what happened to freedome of choice? |
| 09:38.20 | Supaplex | !step 0 |
| 09:38.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, step 0 is Install debian for support here, or kindly GTFO. thank you. </public-svc-announce> |
| 09:38.34 | Supaplex | you're free to use it, or not. |
| 09:38.39 | fredl | Hmm, so far I've found that in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.conffiles there's a list of configuration files per package... |
| 09:38.41 | wols_ | jescis: nothing. just as we have freedom to ignore your support then if you use envy |
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| 09:39.04 | fredl | but is there a way through dpkg to list these files and show if they have changed after being installed? |
| 09:39.58 | fredl | well perhaps that's not even so important I guess. making a backup of all of them should not take up too much space I guess. |
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| 09:40.42 | jescis | if someone wants the newer drivers and envy is the only way to easily start installing the new drivers they have a right to know. |
| 09:43.14 | BadRobt | hi there,i am a noob with checksum |
| 09:43.31 | BadRobt | how can i do a checksum from an iso |
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| 09:43.32 | BadRobt | ? |
| 09:43.45 | enouf | md5sum file |
| 09:44.08 | jescis | And they in #ubuntu never new I used it. I never had issues with envy, only compiz-fussion. |
| 09:44.43 | Supaplex | jescis: if you want freedom of choise, buy hardware that does not rely on non-free software |
| 09:44.50 | Supaplex | choice* |
| 09:44.53 | enouf | stop being naÃÂve |
| 09:45.07 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 09:45.18 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:45.19 | BadRobt | pls,guys |
| 09:45.34 | wols_ | BadRobt: enoug already told you |
| 09:45.38 | Supaplex | BadRobt: run md5sum file-of.iso |
| 09:45.38 | Guerin | any colour you like, as long as it's red(mond) |
| 09:46.13 | jescis | But nvidia was the only card that hads better support for linux than ATI/AMD |
| 09:46.26 | Guerin | no excuses |
| 09:46.29 | jescis | has* |
| 09:46.41 | Guerin | you made your decision, stupid as it may be, and you're not answerable to us for it |
| 09:46.47 | Guerin | but don't expect us to help you with it |
| 09:47.19 | jescis | I'm not. I was helping someone else. |
| 09:47.23 | Guerin | cool. |
| 09:47.59 | Supaplex | !lart non-free nvidia |
| 09:47.59 | dpkg | overclocks non-free nvidia until non-free nvidia burns out |
| 09:48.12 | Supaplex | ewps :p |
| 09:48.18 | Guerin | has free glx and no real use for it |
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| 09:49.13 | BadRobt | thx |
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| 09:50.46 | jescis | btw afaik because I don't have a gui working even before the new driver was installed. I beleive it's a moot arguement. |
| 09:51.00 | sigp239 | Can I mount an NTFS volume and copy files from it? |
| 09:51.21 | jescis | !ntfs-3g |
| 09:51.21 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
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| 09:51.43 | enouf | you don't need 3g for ro and copy |
| 09:51.44 | jescis | sigp239: ^ there |
| 09:51.56 | enouf | !ntfsprogs |
| 09:51.58 | sigp239 | enouf: Yes I just need ro |
| 09:52.06 | sigp239 | enouf: And copy it over to my ext3 |
| 09:52.13 | enouf | sigp239: install ntfsprogs |
| 09:52.33 | enouf | i guess, i never used ntfs |
| 09:52.44 | jescis | wonders why he even tries -_- |
| 09:52.47 | sigp239 | enouf: Yea, I dual boot with Vista 64-bit |
| 09:52.56 | enouf | sigp239: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 09:53.03 | Supaplex | jescis: the base install doesn't include that. it's not necessary for a base system. If you want more, and your hadware supports it, and there are drivers to support your hardware, then there are generally better outcomes. All this software has no warranty, and there is no guarantee of anything. |
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| 09:54.04 | Guerin | jescis: you think you need some flashy proprietary 3d bollocks to run a gui? GIve over. |
| 09:54.27 | jescis | no |
| 09:54.27 | sigp239 | enouf: How do I use ntfsprogs? |
| 09:54.40 | wols_ | sigp239: with lots of manpage reading |
| 09:54.42 | enouf | sigp239: i don;t even think you need that |
| 09:55.06 | sigp239 | enouf: I have an NTFS partition on /dev/sda1, I just need to mount it and copy over some data |
| 09:55.17 | jescis | I think for some reason debian has a hard time with my pc when ubuntu doesn't. |
| 09:55.18 | wols_ | sigp239: then mount it |
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| 09:55.31 | enouf | sigp239: just mount -t ntfs -o ro,whatever .. i see CONFIG_NTFS_FS=m in even my older kernel |
| 09:55.34 | Guerin | unlikely |
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| 09:56.03 | sigp239 | enouf: I mounted it, but it said I don't have permissions to view the contents? |
| 09:56.03 | |DuReX| | hello, I want to remove a harddisk from my lvm, its /dev/hdb1 [ 189.92 GB] LVM physical volume |
| 09:56.21 | |DuReX| | now I want to resize the ext3 partition, but I keep getting no-space error |
| 09:56.22 | sigp239 | works in the console though, good enough. Must be a nautilus bug |
| 09:56.31 | |DuReX| | while i made like 200gb of free space |
| 09:56.45 | enouf | sigp239: view? as in ls -l in xterm or console? |
| 09:57.03 | |DuReX| | 2.0T 1.7T 198G |
| 09:57.06 | |DuReX| | it should work ? :( |
| 09:57.14 | enouf | yeah, dbus, pmount, automount, gnomevfs crap or something |
| 09:57.20 | sigp239 | enouf: No I mounted it with the mount -t ntfs command, and a nautilus window automatically popped up and said it did not have permission to view the contents. But it works in a console though. |
| 09:58.04 | enouf | i don't use gnome or nautilus either ;-) |
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| 09:58.33 | sigp239 | enouf: what do you use? |
| 09:58.52 | enouf | but i'm sure you can disable that auto popup "what do you want to do" , or turn off auto-crap upon mounting or whatever |
| 09:58.56 | enouf | nothing special |
| 09:59.05 | sigp239 | yea, I'm happy doing the copy in the console |
| 10:01.45 | sigp239 | thanks for the help |
| 10:02.06 | jescis | gnome is over rated the terminal is the life!(after I figure out how to veiw images and videos) :/ |
| 10:02.22 | jescis | view* |
| 10:02.34 | maligor | you could use directfb for that |
| 10:02.38 | maligor | or libcaca |
| 10:02.39 | enouf | indeed |
| 10:03.00 | enouf | i use links2 -g in console for nice web browsing using directfb |
| 10:03.05 | jescis | libcaca XD |
| 10:03.11 | enouf | nice pics - pr0n and all |
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| 10:04.20 | jescis | links is not installed as default right?(apt-get/aptitude first) |
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| 10:06.58 | enouf | !installit |
| 10:06.58 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 10:07.12 | enouf | (not meant as a dig) |
| 10:07.21 | Xttor | !tell Xttor about jailkit |
| 10:07.30 | enouf | it's links2 i'm referring to also |
| 10:07.48 | Supaplex | !tell Xttor -about self tell |
| 10:08.03 | enouf | Xttor: you can do /msg dpkg jailkit in your irc client ;-) |
| 10:08.05 | Xttor | Supaplex: thanks :P |
| 10:08.13 | enouf | late |
| 10:08.24 | Supaplex | enouf: 4am is early ;) |
| 10:08.38 | jescis | lol |
| 10:08.39 | Xttor | 11:10 pm here |
| 10:08.39 | Xttor | am* |
| 10:08.54 | enouf | heh, coffee is brewing, and i'm tired from being up too long ;-) |
| 10:09.02 | Xttor | hm, its tar -xvzf *.tar.gz, right? |
| 10:09.05 | Xttor | then make |
| 10:09.07 | Xttor | then make install |
| 10:09.30 | Xttor | right? :P |
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| 10:09.38 | Supaplex | Xttor: well, does it have a README or an INSTALL? |
| 10:09.55 | Xttor | Supaplex: both |
| 10:09.57 | jescis | enouf: is directfb meaning libdirectfb-0.9-25? |
| 10:10.25 | Supaplex | Xttor: jailkit isn't in debian, so our help is limited. |
| 10:10.33 | Supaplex | !tell Xttor -about grounding |
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| 10:11.22 | enouf | jescis: one sec |
| 10:11.28 | Xttor | i found the prob :P |
| 10:11.58 | enouf | jescis: depending on release for version, yes |
| 10:12.03 | enouf | Depends: libdirectfb-1.0-0 |
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| 10:12.32 | arnuld | I am runnign Debian Etch AMD64 |
| 10:12.37 | Supaplex | !tell Xttor -about search |
| 10:12.52 | Supaplex | Xttor: there are some things debian has that do similar. good luck. (off to bed here) |
| 10:13.06 | enouf | jescis: make sure you view the /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian , especially for Console use |
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| 10:14.18 | arnuld | I am runnign Debian Etch AMD64 |
| 10:14.20 | jescis | I already started links2 in the last tty |
| 10:14.24 | enouf | i suggest a 1024x768 or higher for nice viewing |
| 10:14.42 | enouf | jescis: well, running as root isn't smart |
| 10:14.42 | arnuld | I have problem with BASH promt in Xterm |
| 10:15.05 | arnuld | it looks like this: -bash-3.1$ |
| 10:15.22 | arnuld | I want this: [user@hostname cwd]$ |
| 10:15.24 | enouf | i've seen that |
| 10:15.29 | arnuld | on tty it is ok' |
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| 10:15.33 | maligor | what's echo $PS1? |
| 10:15.40 | enouf | that's like a limited shell, or single boot? |
| 10:15.50 | arnuld | \s-\v\$ |
| 10:15.54 | jescis | Well, so what? I'm not having anything I'd worry someone would steel or corrupt. |
| 10:15.58 | arnuld | where did it get that :\ |
| 10:16.17 | enouf | jescis: just not recommended - and not necessary |
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| 10:16.24 | arnuld | in /etc/profile and in /etc/bash.bashrc: [\u@\h \W]\$ |
| 10:16.36 | arnuld | why I am getting \s-\v\$ |
| 10:16.36 | enouf | jescis: any sort of jpeg or web exploit could bite you |
| 10:16.37 | arnuld | ? |
| 10:16.50 | maligor | could be default if unset |
| 10:17.12 | enouf | jescis: and links2 does javascript and many other things like plugins, etc |
| 10:17.12 | jescis | alot are win based. |
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| 10:17.25 | arnuld | I have set that myself in "/etc/profile" and in "/etc/bash/bashrc" |
| 10:17.35 | arnuld | but why do I get that weired \s-\v\$ |
| 10:17.36 | arnuld | ? |
| 10:17.44 | Supaplex | !tell arnuld -about repeat |
| 10:18.15 | enouf | jescis: i guess if you don't care, i don't, so long as you box doesn't become part of the greater world-wide-BOTweb ;-) |
| 10:18.37 | jescis | lol |
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| 10:19.17 | sigp239 | I just installed Debian Etch, but my sound is not working. |
| 10:19.21 | sigp239 | How do I get it working? |
| 10:19.29 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 10:19.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 10:20.15 | enouf | for 4) do; lsof | egrep 'artsd|esd' as root |
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| 10:20.52 | jescis | enouf: so quit links2 and login as user I could. |
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| 10:21.01 | sigp239 | enouf: It printed out a bunch of stuff |
| 10:21.07 | arnuld | I am back, my X cerashed :( |
| 10:21.12 | enouf | 7) should be snd_mixer_oss since snd_pcm_oss is a dependency and loaded auto with mixer |
| 10:21.35 | enouf | sigp239: well, start at 1) ;-) |
| 10:21.48 | enouf | that's why it's 1 |
| 10:21.48 | Supaplex | arnuld: you should limit profile changes to .bashrc/.bash_profile first. /etc is for all users |
| 10:22.25 | maligor | yeah, besides, .bashrc skeleton seems to modify xterm behaviour |
| 10:22.28 | enouf | jescis: yes, logging in and opening the brwoser works, but your keys and mouse don't |
| 10:22.36 | enouf | as user |
| 10:22.46 | enouf | without the mod as shown in that file i mentione |
| 10:22.48 | maligor | but I was never too certain how the profile/bashrc was handled in the first case |
| 10:22.50 | sigp239 | enouf: #1 worked. |
| 10:22.56 | arnuld | Supaplex: I want a system-wide change |
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| 10:23.15 | sigp239 | enouf: I have a question, how come Debian Stable Etch doesn't set this up as part of the install? Why do I have to come here and learn how to type some esoteric commands just to get my sound setup? |
| 10:23.17 | arnuld | Supaplex: all .bashrc/.bash_profile of all users all made empty by me. |
| 10:23.27 | enouf | sigp239: ok, does 'groups' list you in audio ? |
| 10:23.43 | Supaplex | arnuld: well you apparently fubared it :P |
| 10:23.46 | enouf | sigp239: it works fine auto on most |
| 10:24.02 | sigp239 | enouf: Yep. It's there. All I had to do was the alsaconf thing and then it started working. |
| 10:24.04 | enouf | sigp239: is your snd card module loaded? |
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| 10:24.14 | enouf | ok |
| 10:24.16 | sigp239 | enouf: It is now. But I don't know if it will continue to be loaded after a reboot? |
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| 10:24.32 | arnuld | Supaplex: fubared ? |
| 10:24.37 | Supaplex | !fubar |
| 10:24.37 | dpkg | from memory, fubar is Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition; it is a military term, or ask a fubar question, get a fubar answer. the failed unibus address register in some VAXen and PDP-11s |
| 10:24.43 | arnuld | Supaplex: what does that mean ? (its not even in dictionary) |
| 10:24.52 | enouf | sure it will , sigp239 DE's like to steal control |
| 10:25.05 | arnuld | Supaplex: foo bar :D |
| 10:25.07 | sigp239 | enouf: what DE do you use? |
| 10:25.31 | enouf | sigp239: do dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and choose alsa, if for some reason it doesn;t |
| 10:25.39 | sigp239 | enouf: alright thanks |
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| 10:25.48 | arnuld | Supaplex: sow ha I am supposed to do now ? |
| 10:25.59 | enouf | sigp239: none, but kde remnants are installed and i use pieces of it |
| 10:26.00 | Supaplex | arnuld: what's PS{1,2,4} ? |
| 10:26.06 | arnuld | ok |
| 10:26.16 | sigp239 | enouf: maybe next you can help me get neverwinter nights working |
| 10:26.29 | arnuld | HEY ... I am getting it back again :) |
| 10:26.31 | arnuld | {arnuld@debian ~}$ echo $PS1 |
| 10:26.32 | arnuld | {\u@\h \W}\$ |
| 10:26.32 | arnuld | {arnuld@debian ~}$ echo $PS2 |
| 10:26.32 | arnuld | > |
| 10:26.32 | arnuld | {arnuld@debian ~}$ echo $PS3 |
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| 10:26.33 | enouf | heh, wish i were a gamer ;-) |
| 10:26.46 | sigp239 | enouf: I think it's some kind of SDL failure |
| 10:26.51 | jescis | enouf: still no video :/ |
| 10:26.56 | enouf | sigp239: people are willing to help, hrm .,.. |
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| 10:27.03 | enouf | jescis: what? |
| 10:27.07 | jescis | even without sound. |
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| 10:27.29 | arnuld | Supaplex: I pasted that in #flood |
| 10:27.33 | enouf | i thought you said it was all working perfectly |
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| 10:27.39 | Supaplex | arnuld: rafb.net/paste |
| 10:27.50 | arnuld | ok |
| 10:27.53 | arnuld | from next time |
| 10:27.56 | arnuld | I will sue that |
| 10:28.02 | jescis | mplayer played but without sound |
| 10:28.11 | sigp239 | Why is my web browsing so slow? It was bringing up pages much faster when I had Ubuntu installed, and Vista is fast too. Now I just installed Debian Etch and it's slow as a snail. |
| 10:28.29 | arnuld | sigp239: I have the same problem runnign now :( |
| 10:28.52 | arnuld | Iceweasel starts so slow |
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| 10:29.10 | Supaplex | iceweasel starts fine and runs fine here |
| 10:29.20 | sigp239 | arnuld: I use Epiphany |
| 10:29.31 | arnuld | sigp239: you use DHCP ? |
| 10:29.35 | sigp239 | arnuld: yes |
| 10:29.44 | enouf | i don't use bloated browsers anymore (rare occasions for specific things) |
| 10:29.47 | arnuld | sigp239: go back to Static IP setting |
| 10:29.59 | sigp239 | arnuld: well I get dhcp from my belkin router |
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| 10:30.13 | arnuld | sigp239: do one thing, add your DNS servers to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:30.18 | Supaplex | I'd check /etc/resolv.conf before hacking up your config to be static |
| 10:30.19 | arnuld | sigp239: do it right now |
| 10:30.25 | sigp239 | arnuld: how do I find out what my dns servers are? |
| 10:30.37 | Supaplex | and temp disable plugins and extensions |
| 10:30.38 | enouf | your ISP ones |
| 10:30.41 | arnuld | sigp239: hmm, ask your ISP |
| 10:30.53 | Supaplex | or install bind >:) |
| 10:31.00 | sigp239 | arnuld: I mean, shouldn't DHCP set that up automatically? |
| 10:31.02 | Supaplex | be your own dns heh heh |
| 10:31.10 | enouf | heh |
| 10:31.25 | jescis | enouf: and I have orpheus playing my mp3s. And even if I pause orpheus mplayer still can't play the audio. |
| 10:31.43 | Supaplex | "should" be. should work. should be fast. should not have to figure stuff out. but guess what? |
| 10:31.53 | arnuld | sigp239: SinceIhave installed Linux on my computer. I haveplayed withplenty of distros like Fedora, Debian, Arch, Frugalware, etc |
| 10:32.13 | arnuld | sigp239: and all make internet run very slow except Arch |
| 10:32.18 | sigp239 | how do I find out what my DNS servers are? |
| 10:32.19 | arnuld | sigp239: Arch uses Static IP |
| 10:32.24 | enouf | make sure /etc/resolv.conf has like #search \n nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx \n ..... |
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| 10:32.40 | Supaplex | search can actually slow it down |
| 10:32.41 | arnuld | sigp239: I used Static IP in Debian and internet runs as fast as Arch :) |
| 10:32.57 | sigp239 | okay on windows I would type ipconfig /all |
| 10:32.57 | arnuld | sigp239: so Linux has some problems with SHCP |
| 10:33.00 | enouf | Supaplex: guess mine's commented ;-) |
| 10:33.02 | sigp239 | what's the command in debian? |
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| 10:33.13 | enouf | jescis: i don't know |
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| 10:33.25 | amphi | arnuld: not here |
| 10:33.25 | Eulex | sigp239, /all means 'show all'? ifconfig -a |
| 10:33.26 | arnuld | sigp239: if on Fedora add these to blacklist: |
| 10:33.31 | arnuld | amphi: ? |
| 10:33.32 | Supaplex | 'can' but doesn't always. in theory, it'll only slow down queries that were not found |
| 10:33.42 | amphi | arnuld: dhcp works fine |
| 10:33.49 | jescis | enouf: me neither |
| 10:33.58 | Supaplex | I've hear ipv6 causing issues for some |
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| 10:34.09 | amphi | ah |
| 10:34.13 | unknownman | hi guys |
| 10:34.20 | unknownman | whats the best laptop for debian |
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| 10:34.29 | sigp239 | Eulex;arnuld: Okay my /etc/resolv.conf already had the proper DNS servers in there |
| 10:34.30 | Supaplex | unknownman: one that you buy me! |
| 10:34.35 | Supaplex | !laptop |
| 10:34.35 | dpkg | i heard laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 10:35.22 | jescis | lol @ Supaplex |
| 10:35.31 | enouf | sigp239: i think dig or whois <anyone else> will show you yours towards the bottom, atleast one - or your look in your Router config |
| 10:35.58 | sigp239 | arnuld: my DNS servers are correct in my /etc/resolv.conf. So what now? |
| 10:36.41 | enouf | sigp239: wired? |
| 10:36.44 | Supaplex | sigp239: nuke firefox personal data, disable plugins+extensions, and maybe blacklist ipv6 |
| 10:36.49 | sigp239 | enouf: yep, it's wired. |
| 10:37.03 | sigp239 | Supaplex: It's a fresh install of Debian Etch. Just using everything default. |
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| 10:37.16 | sigp239 | Supaplex: What's blacklist ipv6? |
| 10:37.21 | jescis | thinks dpkg is a comedian lol |
| 10:37.47 | sigp239 | google.com takes like 10 full seconds to load |
| 10:38.23 | jescis | sigp239: try using a terminal web browser |
| 10:38.24 | enouf | sigp239: ps aux | grep [a]vahi |
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| 10:39.45 | enouf | netstat -tunap and kill anything not needed like {x}inetd, portmap, etc |
| 10:39.50 | khaleel5000 | hello , I have debian etch , i have some video dvds which are working fine on another distro , but arent even mounted in debian (the dvdrom is like constantly trying to read stuff ) |
| 10:39.58 | khaleel5000 | are there any packages taht I need to download |
| 10:40.08 | jescis | enouf: links2 is better then w3mimo now |
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| 10:40.17 | enouf | lsof | egrep -i 'estab|list' and do the same |
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| 10:40.40 | enouf | oh yeah |
| 10:41.12 | enouf | jescis: you do have graphics in console though yes? |
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| 10:41.21 | enouf | links2 -g |
| 10:41.37 | jescis | I did not do that! |
| 10:41.42 | jescis | m:) |
| 10:41.49 | roxazer | my debian system is in swedish, but i want it on english with a swedish keyboard. my locale.gen lookes like this: |
| 10:41.54 | roxazer | en_US ISO-8859-1 |
| 10:41.54 | roxazer | en_US@euro ISO-8859-15 |
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| 10:42.00 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 10:42.00 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 10:42.07 | roxazer | its still on swedish |
| 10:42.11 | roxazer | how to fix? |
| 10:42.12 | enouf | not to mention i posted it 3 times now |
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| 10:42.25 | sigp239 | enouf: I did the ps aux|grep [a]vahi and it came up with some lines |
| 10:42.36 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 10:42.37 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 10:43.14 | enouf | !tell roxazer about locales |
| 10:43.35 | sigp239 | enouf: None of those pastebin sites are working |
| 10:43.49 | enouf | roxazer: then use xmodmap <cc> to .. waut, maybe setxkbmap |
| 10:44.04 | jescis | enouf: it gave me info about /dev/fb0 not existing. :/ |
| 10:44.08 | enouf | !paste |
| 10:44.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 10:44.16 | sigp239 | enouf: avahi 3264 0.0 0.0 2656 1388 ? Ss 11:48 0:00 avahi-daemon: running [valhalla.local] |
| 10:44.17 | sigp239 | avahi 3265 0.0 0.0 2552 476 ? Ss 11:48 0:00 avahi-daemon: chroot helper |
| 10:44.24 | enouf | omg |
| 10:44.36 | sigp239 | 2 lines is ok right? |
| 10:44.37 | enouf | chroot helper? wtf? |
| 10:44.48 | arnuld | dpkg: I get that :) |
| 10:44.59 | enouf | pkill avahi-daemon |
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| 10:45.12 | sigp239 | enouf: I swear, this is a brand new install of debian etch, everything is default |
| 10:45.20 | enouf | on a mac? |
| 10:45.40 | sigp239 | enouf: no on an Intel Core 2 Duo based PC |
| 10:45.53 | sigp239 | enouf: I did the pkill thing |
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| 10:46.24 | enouf | roxazer: setxkbmap se for Sweden https://devel.goto10.org/puredyne/wiki/MeetDesktop |
| 10:46.29 | sigp239 | Still takes about 10 full seconds to load up www.google.com |
| 10:46.48 | lynucs | just installed official skype package for debian etch.. starting skype aborts with message in terminal "aborted" :) anyone knows what the probles is maybe? |
| 10:47.29 | enouf | sigp239: what else is running? and yuse a pastebin -- do yourself a favor, logout and login from your DE session |
| 10:48.01 | jescis | lynucs: that skype is crap;) |
| 10:48.02 | enouf | sigp239: /etc/init.d/networking restart <--FWIW |
| 10:48.31 | lynucs | jescis: you mean skype in general or just that package? :D |
| 10:48.38 | Penix | in general |
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| 10:48.39 | jescis | lol |
| 10:49.09 | lynucs | but that's the most used program of its kind, even if it's crap |
| 10:49.31 | jescis | either way. Because I never use it lol |
| 10:49.38 | enouf | sigp239: though i bet avahi returns maybe .. well anyways; /msg dpkg rcconf <-- install and use it to disable startup services |
| 10:49.47 | enouf | do /msg dokg grounding |
| 10:49.52 | enouf | do /msg dpkg grounding |
| 10:50.06 | sigp239 | enouf: here's what's running http://paste.debian.net/51288 |
| 10:50.07 | Penix | lynucs: ask the skype people what this extremely detailed "aborted" message means. we don't support skype |
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| 10:50.20 | enouf | sigp239: read backscroll ow |
| 10:50.22 | enouf | now |
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| 10:50.59 | sigp239 | enouf: ok |
| 10:51.02 | jescis | Penix: XD |
| 10:52.14 | tutnix | anybody experienced with ntop in debian? after got it running it always brings an ERROR 400 to the webinterface |
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| 10:53.24 | jescis | tutnix: did you google it? |
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| 10:54.40 | jescis | I'd do a search on google for "ntop error 400" |
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| 10:55.52 | sigp239 | enouf: You lost me at networking restart. I had to reboot. |
| 10:56.06 | sigp239 | enouf: BTW, the avahi thing came back. |
| 10:56.45 | sigp239 | Can't I just remove avahi? |
| 10:56.51 | enouf | yep |
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| 10:57.46 | enouf | has to go for a while - bbl |
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| 10:58.00 | sigp239 | I don't really understand exactly what avahi does. What does it do? |
| 10:58.03 | sigp239 | Is it safe to remove it? |
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| 10:58.36 | wols_ | sigp239: mdns |
| 10:58.37 | sigp239 | I was reading the description. It says "Multicast DNS Service Discovery". What is that? |
| 10:58.42 | Penix | sigp239: mDNS stuff. ala zeroconf etc |
| 10:58.50 | wols_ | sigp239: ever heard of google or wikipedia? |
| 10:58.53 | sigp239 | Okay, what's mDNS then? |
| 10:59.00 | sigp239 | wols_: Yes yes. |
| 10:59.25 | sigp239 | wols_: I don't understand the connection between avahi and google or wikipedia |
| 10:59.32 | Penix | sigp239: LOOK IT UP |
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| 11:00.32 | jescis | lol |
| 11:00.45 | sigp239 | Penix: I thought I was... |
| 11:00.55 | sigp239 | Or why else are you here? |
| 11:00.55 | wols_ | !tell sigp239 about fgi |
| 11:01.07 | wols_ | sigp239: not to answer you lazy ass questions |
| 11:01.18 | wols_ | and certainly not to spoonfeed you |
| 11:01.33 | sigp239 | No need for any of that, friend. |
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| 11:01.35 | wols_ | irc is the LAST resort not for your immediate chatter. we expect you to google FIRST |
| 11:01.45 | wols_ | I am not your fucking friend |
| 11:01.57 | azeem | wols_: chill |
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| 11:02.38 | jescis | thinks wols_ needs a massage ;) |
| 11:02.44 | Penix | a legit one? |
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| 11:04.10 | sigp239 | Says on wiki entry that avahi is integrated in major desktop components like GNOME's Virtual File System or KDE's input/output architecture. |
| 11:04.21 | sigp239 | I think I might want to keep it running |
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| 11:05.14 | khaleel5100 | i cant play dvds, it says audio output is busy |
| 11:05.19 | khaleel5100 | i dont have anyother audio thing running |
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| 11:05.23 | khaleel5100 | and when it displays this error, ihear the error sound |
| 11:05.56 | tutnix | jescis i did google that and was not able to find something really helpfull:( |
| 11:06.35 | tutnix | jescis the only thing that would maybe help said something about too high file useage by the ntop process |
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| 11:07.47 | jescis | well, that's something. Because out side of that I don't know frankly. :( |
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| 11:08.43 | jescis | Meh, I was at least trying to help though. |
| 11:09.51 | jescis | enouf: dpkg says colors are bad when I asked |
| 11:09.52 | lynucs | is it possible that pm-utils isn't in the ethc repository? |
| 11:09.57 | Ace2016 | wols_: hi, i finally figured out my problem, it wasn't hardware, or the OS, it was the BIOS, hp uses generic bios install file for a range of systems, which is configured at runtime for a specific setups, say a keyboard with a separate number pad vs a keyboard with no separate numberpad, anyway this utility is incorrectly registering my laptop as something smaller, thus its giving the wrong customised bios for my system, which has lead to the |
| 11:09.58 | Ace2016 | numberlock problem and the nvidia settings not showing up in bios, so all i have to do is find someone with my exact laptop, who hasn't messed up their DMI Table who has run the bios update to give me a copy of their correctly configured bios |
| 11:10.01 | Ace2016 | :D |
| 11:10.11 | Ace2016 | 1, tech support 0 |
| 11:10.34 | jescis | lol |
| 11:10.51 | Ace2016 | whats lol about it? |
| 11:11.03 | jescis | it's funny |
| 11:11.37 | maligor | they use dmi storage for defining bios capabilities? |
| 11:11.52 | Ace2016 | this has caused me endless confusion for a few weeks because i made the initial assumption that the bios was specific to each model instead of the executable reading the system info and generating a bios configuration file of some kind which lets it know about the system specifics |
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| 11:12.36 | jescis | * Ace2016 1, tech support 0 <--- was funny |
| 11:12.56 | Ace2016 | maligor: that would seem to be the logical explaination, the dmi table got corrupted, when i flashed the bios it used the wrong info, and bios had an identity crisis |
| 11:12.57 | khaleel5100 | how do i stop artsdeamon? |
| 11:13.19 | Ace2016 | i know |
| 11:13.29 | wols_ | !artsd |
| 11:13.29 | dpkg | [artsd] the much maligned soundserver of the much maligned analog Real time synthesizer |
| 11:13.56 | Ace2016 | khaleel5100: kcontrol > Sound & Multimedia > sound System > uncheck Enable the sound system |
| 11:13.58 | ArtVandalae | maybe in /etc/init.d/art?? |
| 11:14.09 | Ace2016 | or even better |
| 11:14.15 | lynucs | how you guys enable suspend on debian? wiht pm-utils? |
| 11:14.17 | jescis | khaleel5100: kill it with "kill <pid>" |
| 11:14.42 | Ace2016 | khaleel5100: kcontrol > Sound & Multimedia > sound System, and set auto-suspend if idle after to 0s, the second something stops using arts then the system frees it up |
| 11:14.49 | Ace2016 | it frees up the sound device |
| 11:14.53 | Lukian | based on Ace2016's observations, note to self: don't buy a hp laptop :) |
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| 11:15.34 | Ace2016 | i've vowed to never ever get any HP/Compaq product and to discourage all those who think about buying product from them |
| 11:15.40 | jescis | Lukian: lol I wouldn't even get a dell! |
| 11:15.50 | maligor | Lenovo! |
| 11:16.09 | enouf | it does that so that it can check if you're actually on HP hardware and check if your Wifi card is Kosher by them, and passes their muster - see http://www.paul.sladen.org/thinkpad-r31/wifi-card-pci-ids.html (and what you're talking about is somewhat like TiVOs private keys in rom onbaord, IML was the PC term some years back) |
| 11:16.42 | enouf | compaq used to tattoo disks too |
| 11:16.47 | maligor | heh |
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| 11:17.06 | jescis | lol @ tattooed disks XD |
| 11:17.35 | enouf | many ibm laptop have a HDD (or full system) that is passwd protected (not a BIOS password) |
| 11:17.55 | jescis | o.O |
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| 11:18.14 | enouf | smites OEMs with ... well a huge sardine cunt |
| 11:18.22 | enouf | whoops |
| 11:18.44 | khaleel5100 | Ace2016: jescis Thankyou |
| 11:18.52 | enouf | sorry channel - real bad choice of word there |
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| 11:19.19 | Ace2016 | yea who eats sardines anyway |
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| 11:20.19 | jescis | lol I have a can(never opened) |
| 11:20.39 | sigp239 | Why do I get this error when I type the nvidia one-liner? "Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686" |
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| 11:21.29 | jescis | sigp239: you might want to install the kernel first |
| 11:21.45 | jescis | wait... |
| 11:21.46 | sigp239 | jescis: install the kernel? |
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| 11:22.03 | jescis | nvm >< |
| 11:22.09 | dutchfish | sardines ... hmmm ... yammi |
| 11:22.24 | dimir | Morning! |
| 11:22.31 | Dewi | does anyone have any on spinning down hard drives during idle times - likely to increase or decrease drive life span? |
| 11:22.38 | Dewi | +information |
| 11:23.22 | dutchfish | Dewi, its all about temprature changes, think of that |
| 11:23.26 | basanta | any bluetooth client for gnome? |
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| 11:23.33 | Intern[a]t | so what was the sql/db driving dns server that was relatively decent? |
| 11:23.41 | Dewi | dutchfish: plenty of those in .au anyway :/ |
| 11:23.54 | sigp239 | Anyone have a suggestion for why my internet is slow since I installed debian etch? google.com takes 10 full seconds to load up |
| 11:23.55 | Dewi | dutchfish: that said having a case with a lot of fans seems to result in pretty stable disk temperatures for me these days |
| 11:23.55 | dutchfish | Dewi, constant temperatures increase mbtf |
| 11:24.13 | dutchfish | s/mbtf/mtbf |
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| 11:24.27 | hark | sigp239: because you don't have non-free sources |
| 11:24.32 | Ace2016 | thinks its bad to spin hard drives down |
| 11:24.38 | Dewi | dutchfish: do you know whether linux, or drives internally by default, are set to spin down ever? |
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| 11:24.55 | sigp239 | hark: okay thanks |
| 11:24.59 | dutchfish | Dewi, there are tools to check/set that options |
| 11:25.01 | Dewi | dutchfish: I have disks that basically never get touched, but I've also never noticed a spinup delay, and SATA Start_Stop_Count counts are very low |
| 11:25.19 | Dewi | dutchfish: well, oddly, the only tool I can find to read my disk power states is hdparm, and it always tells me the disks are all in standby! |
| 11:25.35 | FFEMTcJ | I have chrooted my users, however I now get an error /bin/bash: No such file or directory |
| 11:25.46 | Ace2016 | well my point of view is this, if the drive is spun down, then a second or 2 later you press the button i'll have to spin right back up again, thus its bad, the only reason its really spun down is to save battry life in notebooks |
| 11:25.47 | FFEMTcJ | Does anyone have any idea what I did wrong? |
| 11:25.50 | dutchfish | Dewi, standby is not motor stop |
| 11:25.53 | PeteB | I'm trying to upgrade my Testing system. aptitude says gnucash "is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal." it won't let me reinstall or purge. i don't care about gnucash, that's why I uninstalled it to rescue disk space. How can I dist-upgrade? |
| 11:26.03 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: install bash in your chroot |
| 11:26.09 | MoDaX | s/in/to/ |
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| 11:26.24 | Dewi | dutchfish: but surely it's a power saving mode... |
| 11:26.25 | FFEMTcJ | MoDaX: how do I do that.. I didn't see it in the tutorial I followed |
| 11:26.36 | jescis | sigp239: Did you search debian.org for the nvidia kernel? |
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| 11:26.53 | jescis | package* |
| 11:27.12 | sigp239 | jescis: it's working now, I had to add non-free contrib |
| 11:27.19 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: have you debootstrapped? |
| 11:27.28 | jescis | ok |
| 11:27.30 | Dewi | dutchfish: the following still tells me standby... md5sum ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso && sudo hdparm -C /dev/sda |
| 11:27.36 | FFEMTcJ | MoDaX: I don't know what that is. |
| 11:27.39 | dutchfish | Dewi, its advanced power management (-B option if your drive supports it) |
| 11:27.44 | cjsstables | morning all, does anyone know if there is an html/web composer available in deb package format for the amd64? |
| 11:27.57 | jescis | I'm such a loser -_- |
| 11:28.06 | Dewi | dutchfish: yeah that's to set it... is there any way to read all these params? |
| 11:28.58 | FFEMTcJ | MoDaX: I followed this guide.. so I have done everything it says to: http://howtoforge.com/chroot_ssh_sftp_debian_etch |
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| 11:29.22 | dutchfish | Dewi, http://kurobox.com/mwiki/index.php/Debian_hdd_spindown |
| 11:29.44 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: basically, chroot must have a usable runtime environment (libc6, shell etc.). you may use debootstrap to create a chroot with a minimal debian system |
| 11:29.53 | roxy_ | WhenI installed the nvidia module using aptitude |
| 11:30.15 | roxy_ | When I check with modprobe, it says it is installed |
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| 11:30.30 | roxy_ | but X complained that nvidia module is not there. |
| 11:30.46 | dutchfish | Dewi, ie: hdparm -i /dev/[your disk] |
| 11:30.47 | roxy_ | does X module needs to be put somewhere special? |
| 11:31.04 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: there is a script on that page which copies bash etc. |
| 11:31.10 | Dewi | dutchfish: it just says what it supports, not what the configuration of each power-saving feature is |
| 11:31.21 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: I guess you didn't run it |
| 11:31.30 | Dewi | dutchfish: oh sorry -i is the one that doesn't work |
| 11:31.33 | PeteB | how do I tell aptitude 'I don't care that gnucash is in a very inconsistant state, just live with the fact I unistalled it and dist-upgrade' |
| 11:31.44 | FFEMTcJ | your talking about /usr/local/sbin/create_chroot_env ? I ran it.. |
| 11:31.57 | Dewi | dutchfish: I don't think it works with SATA disks |
| 11:32.10 | dutchfish | Dewi, read that link too: http://www.gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_hdparm_to_improve_IDE_device_performance#Spindown_-S |
| 11:32.19 | mike1o | I have a remote box with no X running... but Im connecting to it thru ssh -X ... can I still run iceweasel in the remote box? I tried it replied no X etc... |
| 11:32.29 | dutchfish | Dewi, and yes some do support it (aprently not all) |
| 11:32.43 | Dewi | dutchfish: I might try the seagate tools |
| 11:32.52 | Dewi | dutchfish: they can probably more confidently check the settings |
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| 11:33.06 | dutchfish | Dewi, cant help you with that ... |
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| 11:33.23 | joltcan | mike1o: just make sure you have xauth on the remote box |
| 11:33.37 | schizophrenie | my connection dropped...is there a log where i can read? |
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| 11:33.38 | dutchfish | Dewi, for those drives i have tested ~40% do support the sindown |
| 11:33.46 | dutchfish | s/sindown/spindown |
| 11:34.03 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: you should have /bin/bash in your chroot. do you? |
| 11:34.46 | FFEMTcJ | MoDaX: It is in /home/chroot/bin/bash yes |
| 11:34.54 | jescis | I'm not finding anything on google about adding colors to the terminal. :( |
| 11:35.19 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: ok, when do you get that error? |
| 11:35.40 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: when you run `chroot /home/chroot` ? |
| 11:35.40 | FFEMTcJ | ssh testuser@x.x.x.x |
| 11:35.40 | dutchfish | Dewi, but i expect that regular spinup/down will shorten mtbf (temperature changes) |
| 11:36.06 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: try the command I sugested |
| 11:36.06 | mike1o | joltcan, .Xauthority is a binary |
| 11:36.17 | joltcan | mike1o: apt-get install xauth |
| 11:36.26 | FFEMTcJ | MoDaX: you mean chroot /home/chroot? |
| 11:36.32 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: yes |
| 11:36.35 | MoDaX | as root |
| 11:36.37 | joltcan | mike1o: and when you use -X you can echo $DISPLAY and see if that is set, then it should work |
| 11:36.53 | FFEMTcJ | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 11:37.25 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: is /home/chroot/bin/bash executable? |
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| 11:37.50 | mike1o | joltcan, I don't have the xauth package |
| 11:38.07 | basanta | what is the application to send files from my pc to mobile via bluetooth |
| 11:38.16 | joltcan | mike1o: then apt-get install xauth! |
| 11:38.26 | schizophrenie | can someone give me a keyword, how to backup 5 networks win pc's on a debian? |
| 11:38.53 | FFEMTcJ | MoDaX: ya.. |
| 11:38.53 | MoDaX | schizophrenie: do you want to backup whole fs? |
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| 11:39.15 | jescis | schizophrenie: cp |
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| 11:39.55 | petemc | schizophrenie: i backup a few windows machines by mounting their drives ro over cifs and using dirvish |
| 11:39.56 | schizophrenie | ...i want to copy some directorys |
| 11:40.06 | schizophrenie | it's a gfx studio |
| 11:40.15 | schizophrenie | so i want to backup the changes...every saturday |
| 11:40.37 | MoDaX | schizophrenie: mount with cifs and cp, or use smbclient |
| 11:40.48 | petemc | not much intelligence in cp |
| 11:40.50 | schizophrenie | and thats running great? |
| 11:41.04 | jescis | if you have it mounted you can copy it with the cp command. |
| 11:41.19 | schizophrenie | but i only want to copy the changes |
| 11:41.26 | MoDaX | FFEMTcJ: some libraries are probably missing then |
| 11:41.32 | petemc | schizophrenie: did you see what i suggested? |
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| 11:41.35 | joltcan | I would use rsync instead of cp to only get the changes |
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| 11:41.43 | jescis | petemc: no but it works |
| 11:41.46 | schizophrenie | not really petemc.. |
| 11:41.53 | petemc | scroll up |
| 11:42.01 | joltcan | schizophrenie: rsync ftw |
| 11:42.12 | schizophrenie | i lost connection before petemc |
| 11:42.15 | schizophrenie | i have not much history |
| 11:42.17 | petemc | schizophrenie: i backup a few windows machines by mounting their drives ro over cifs and using dirvish |
| 11:42.31 | schizophrenie | ahh i got thi |
| 11:42.59 | schizophrenie | do you have a link? where can i read through the issue? |
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| 11:43.15 | jescis | what's wrong with the old fashioned way of things -_- |
| 11:43.19 | petemc | no, dirvish has a decent wiki, and cifs is well documented |
| 11:43.24 | FFEMTcJ | MoDaX: thanks for your time |
| 11:43.34 | petemc | jescis: ? |
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| 11:44.00 | schizophrenie | thx petemc..i will look to the page |
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| 11:44.25 | jescis | petemc: copying file is copying files. cp works |
| 11:44.43 | petemc | jescis: you seem to be ignoring a large part of the question |
| 11:44.58 | petemc | jescis: if you want to use cp for everything, go right ahead, but dont tell everyone to do the same |
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| 11:45.56 | jescis | I just don't know why dirvish is better. |
| 11:46.04 | schizophrenie | petemc: what means drivers to "ro" over "cifs" |
| 11:46.12 | petemc | schizophrenie: read only |
| 11:46.27 | petemc | jescis: im gonna guess you dont know anything about dirvish at all |
| 11:46.29 | schizophrenie | ahh |
| 11:46.45 | schizophrenie | ...and cifs? |
| 11:46.49 | jescis | petemc: your guess is right |
| 11:46.51 | petemc | !cifs |
| 11:46.51 | dpkg | cifs is, like, Common Internet File System or see <SMB>, or it is basically SMB without <NBT> |
| 11:46.53 | wols_ | petemc: you should read some logs about what he siad |
| 11:47.04 | schizophrenie | !cifs |
| 11:47.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cifs is Common Internet File System or see <SMB>, or it is basically SMB without <NBT> |
| 11:47.05 | petemc | wols_: whos that? |
| 11:47.06 | schizophrenie | cooooool |
| 11:47.19 | dutchfish | petemc, does dirvish save ACL's? |
| 11:47.23 | wols_ | jescis? no idea, he's new here |
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| 11:47.30 | schizophrenie | !ACL |
| 11:47.30 | dpkg | acl is probably Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 11:47.31 | petemc | dutchfish: not something i use, dont know |
| 11:47.47 | schizophrenie | :D thats really nice guys! |
| 11:47.54 | petemc | wols_: who are you saying i should read logs of? |
| 11:48.05 | jescis | petemc: me |
| 11:48.12 | petemc | why would i do that? |
| 11:48.27 | mbroeker | schizophrenie, /query dpkg and you can ask all your questions by entering some keywords without the ! prefix... |
| 11:48.38 | jescis | as he said I'm still pretty noobish |
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| 11:49.09 | Haris | Hello people |
| 11:49.15 | Haris | Where is ospfd binary on etch? |
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| 11:49.18 | Haris | can't find it |
| 11:49.19 | nix_chix0r | enouf, where you at |
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| 11:49.32 | nix_chix0r | enouf, check a look at my skillz http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1704/lolca9.jpg |
| 11:49.46 | schizophrenie | mbroeker: niceee |
| 11:49.49 | wols_ | !tell Haris about search |
| 11:50.34 | nix_chix0r | wols_, that took me forever on the laptop to draw the letters |
| 11:50.47 | nix_chix0r | dont drink an spell |
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| 11:50.48 | jescis | petemc: the only linux book I have is "Bulletproof unix" by Timmothy T. Gottleberg (c)2001 |
| 11:51.28 | Haris | found it! |
| 11:51.50 | lynucs | is there any good material on how to configure and set up suspend on debian etch? |
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| 11:52.37 | Haris | do I need to add -f /etc/quagga/ospfd.conf to ospfd on etch? |
| 11:52.58 | Haris | I put password blabla in it but ospfd isn't letting me in. Says vty password is not set |
| 11:53.14 | Haris | quagga 1045 0.0 0.1 3076 1124 ? Ss 15:16 0:00 /usr/lib/quagga/ospfd --daemon -A 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:53.15 | cjsstables | Does anyone know of a wysiwig html/web authoring package for Debian AMD64 that I can install with package manager? |
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| 11:53.51 | dutchfish | !bluefish |
| 11:53.51 | dpkg | it has been said that bluefish is probably a GTK+ HTML editor for linux at http://bluefish.linuxbox.com/ |
| 11:55.01 | Haris | shEEP. still says the same |
| 11:55.01 | cjsstables | also I just finished installing dvdrip from the debian-multimedia repository. are ther any codecsor additional files i need to install so I can rip dvd's |
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| 11:55.52 | cjsstables | <dutchfish> thank you. I just finished installing bluefish |
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| 11:57.16 | cjsstables | any advise on the codecs/accesories for dvdrip? |
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| 11:59.41 | jescis | cjsstables: how about this?... |
| 11:59.49 | jescis | !codecs |
| 11:59.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is See <w32codecs>, or for a run-down of various free(ish) codecs and container formats, see http://www.avidemux.org/admForum/viewtopic.php?pid=19555 |
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| 12:00.07 | cjsstables | thankyou |
| 12:00.13 | jescis | np |
| 12:01.18 | anki | cjsstables: you can anytime use apt-cache search $string. greps through the whole software archive on your system |
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| 12:06.49 | nihraguk | my logrotate doesn't seem to be rotating my syslog and mail.info. how do i check to see if it is configured properly? |
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| 12:09.08 | cjsstables | <dpkg> I read the article.looks like what I want is the w32codecs. they are not installed on my system but the look like they are available from debian-multimedia.. However they don't come up on a apt-cache search...any help here |
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| 12:10.21 | azeem | cjsstables: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 12:10.30 | azeem | cjsstables: dpkg is the channel bot |
| 12:10.46 | anki | cjsstables: you have to do : sudo apt-get update, this will refresh the cache |
| 12:10.48 | cjsstables | oops..sorry |
| 12:11.23 | cjsstables | I have done that already. that is how i dl'ed and installed dvdrip |
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| 12:11.44 | cjsstables | I'm wondering if there is nothing available for amd64 |
| 12:12.48 | azeem | cjsstables: hrm, indeed, it's not available for amd64 it seems |
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| 12:13.18 | cjsstables | ok. so looks like I have to compile them from source? |
| 12:13.58 | dutchfish | nihraguk, you can find the default example in /var/lib/logrotate/status and your configuration in /etc/logrotate.conf, also check man logrotate |
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| 12:14.10 | nihraguk | dutchfish: thanks. |
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| 12:15.32 | cjsstables | I've run into this a bunch and am wondering if I should just install a i386 system? |
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| 12:16.32 | tq|Memphis | yes |
| 12:16.45 | anki | cjsstables: you may run a i386 virtual machine inside your amd64-host |
| 12:16.57 | anki | cjsstables: vmplayer.. |
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| 12:17.48 | alakx | Hello |
| 12:17.57 | dhe | i have a problem with lilo after updating my machine: http://rafb.net/p/zVZoAj66.html |
| 12:18.18 | cjsstables | sounds complicated to do that. speed isn't really all that different between amd64 and I386 is it? |
| 12:18.29 | alakx | How can i set, that when the box boots up it will to badblocks check...so i wouldn't damage my harddrive |
| 12:18.36 | PeteB | cjsstables: check this out for dvdrip tools to add: http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/desktop-system-setup-debian-etch.html#copying-dvd-compressed |
| 12:19.05 | dutchfish | dhe, you sure disk=/dev/hda is correct? shouldnt that be disk=/dev/hda1 ? |
| 12:19.45 | PeteB | cjsstables: you can reduce dvdrip time from say 12hours on i386 to, it's reckoned, 2 hours on amd64 |
| 12:19.46 | dutchfish | dhe, at the top of my head, i believe naming conventions for disks has been changed in 2.6.24 |
| 12:21.24 | dhe | dutchfish: /dev/hda doesnt exists and is nowhere in lilo.conf. Its /dev/sda |
| 12:21.25 | cjsstables | ok so speed does make a difference |
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| 12:21.41 | dutchfish | dhe, yes |
| 12:21.47 | wols_ | dhe: fdisk -l |
| 12:21.51 | dhe | dutchfish: but lilo doesn something with /dev/hda why ever |
| 12:23.26 | dhe | wols_: http://rafb.net/p/Ucxbn062.html |
| 12:23.56 | wols_ | dhe: btw, any special reason you use lilo? |
| 12:24.44 | dhe | yes i hate grub |
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| 12:25.22 | dhe | i never had a problem before with lilo |
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| 12:25.57 | anki | anybody knows of broken linux systems provided as virtual machines? i'd like to learn linux admin skills on "real cases" |
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| 12:27.26 | bogdomania | cheers all.. is there a package wich allows me to connect with my laptop on internet via bluetooth dial-up? |
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| 12:28.58 | dutchfish | dhe, wols_ using the libata-based drivers for IDE changes naming convention to /dev/hdx in 2.6.24 and up |
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| 12:29.08 | tuxist | hi |
| 12:29.32 | cjsstables | <peteB> Thank you. I read the section on dvd ripping and burning. and installed some of the apps. namely libds...2. You think that should doit? |
| 12:30.09 | PeteB | bogdomania: http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/desktop-system-setup-debian-etch.html#bluetooth-internet-3g |
| 12:30.28 | bogdomania | thanks a lot PeteB |
| 12:30.32 | PeteB | cjsstables: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:31.11 | cjsstables | put some dvdmovies on my notebook hd for viewing while I'm traveling |
| 12:31.25 | cjsstables | that way I don't have to carry the dvd's around |
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| 12:31.54 | tuxist | i try to get samba + ldap running when try to login i got this ouput http://paste.debian.net/51291 |
| 12:32.10 | tuxist | have anybody a solution ? |
| 12:32.18 | PeteB | cjsstables: thoggen is extremely easy to use, one click and you're done. dvdrip is easy in that you just follow from one screen to the next but thoggen is well easy |
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| 12:32.40 | cjsstables | ok. I'll install that as well |
| 12:32.49 | PeteB | cjsstables: if you have the space, it's a lot wuicker to not compress them, using dvdrip then genisoimage |
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| 12:34.07 | cjsstables | <PeteB> ok thanks.. I have the room. |
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| 12:34.31 | cjsstables | just what to bring a coupleof movies with me at a time |
| 12:34.36 | PeteB | cjsstables: then checkout this: http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/desktop-system-setup-debian-etch.html#copying-dvd-to-hd |
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| 12:35.40 | Canariss | Hey |
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| 12:36.19 | jescis | enouf: I got gpm installed and working \o/ |
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| 12:37.07 | DexTerDDIT | can somebody help me i get :-bash: ./sc_serv: Permission denied when i try to run shoucast server |
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| 12:38.02 | tuxist | my samba config: http://paste.debian.net/51292 |
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| 12:38.30 | mbroeker | DexTerDDIT, chmod +x sc_serv ; ./sc_serv ? |
| 12:38.45 | cjsstables | <peteB> one other thing i was looking at was that I have a cd writer/ dvd writer with lightscribe technology. what software would I use in order to lightscribe images on my cd's |
| 12:38.48 | dutchfish | dhe, wols_ i was wrong, for IDE naming convention changed from /dev/hdx to /dev/sdx in >2.6.24 this could be a totally diferent problem |
| 12:39.18 | DexTerDDIT | mbroeker : tnx but what does that chmod do ?? |
| 12:39.29 | DexTerDDIT | it works :DD |
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| 12:39.33 | dutchfish | dhe, did you compile in libata support into your kernel? |
| 12:40.03 | dutchfish | dhe, is it with initrd image? |
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| 12:40.46 | mbroeker | DexTerDDIT, that command makes the script executable. |
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| 12:41.11 | DexTerDDIT | aha i`ll remember that , tnx agian |
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| 12:42.51 | PriitM | Hi, I'm using rt61 drivers from rt2x00.serialmonkey.com and I'm having trouble with it. I got interface working for a bit, but now I'm having Quality:0/100 for all wifi access points nearby. I tried completely removing network-manager, but it didn't help much, if at all. Google doesn't suggest much more than removing network-manager |
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| 12:48.47 | cjsstables | gotta run all. seeyou later |
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| 12:55.57 | tuxist | my auth.log http://paste.debian.net/51297 |
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| 12:57.33 | tuxist | i don't understand that because my linux linux clients can login my server too |
| 12:57.44 | Canaris_ | Hey all |
| 12:57.47 | Canaris_ | got a quick question |
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| 12:59.55 | valdyn | PriitM: try using "rutilt" |
| 13:00.12 | PriitM | valdyn, I'll try |
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| 13:00.59 | valdyn | PriitM: those drivers are quite annoying. |
| 13:01.12 | daniel_John | will installing a deb file intended for ubunta work on debian etch ? |
| 13:01.18 | valdyn | PriitM: and as far as i know they wont work with n-m |
| 13:01.22 | Canaris_ | I just read through the DPL candidates platforms...and it seems like there are a lot of things to do for non-programmers (like me). Now I would really like to help out, but I'm not quite sure on who to contact. I read through the website (developer's corner) and even though there are some things for non programmers, its mostly translation work. Yet I would primarily be interested in helping out with the things the DPL candidates talked about |
| 13:01.32 | PriitM | valdyn, indeed they are, they tend to mess up a lot |
| 13:01.38 | valdyn | PriitM: in few weeks you may want to switch to the new drivers |
| 13:01.50 | valdyn | PriitM: first stable with them in good state should be 2.6.25 |
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| 13:06.10 | bluecake | anyone using bitvise? |
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| 13:07.38 | grand_grunt | Canaris_: a good way to help GNU/Linuw without being a dev is to talk about it to the more people you can, and help them to install it if they want. |
| 13:07.48 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 13:07.50 | HardDisk_WP | how do I disable NCQ again?! |
| 13:07.52 | HardDisk_WP | kdenlive locks up my system with loading big video files |
| 13:07.55 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 13:08.02 | Ace2016 | how do i scan my wireless network> |
| 13:08.07 | valdyn | PriitM: echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth |
| 13:08.10 | valdyn | ops |
| 13:08.11 | Ace2016 | scan for wireless networks |
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| 13:08.16 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: ^ ^ ^ |
| 13:08.22 | PriitM | :> |
| 13:08.23 | valdyn | Ace2016: iwlist <iface> scan |
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| 13:10.29 | bluecake | which run level should i execute rdesktop? i don't want to start gnome at all. |
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| 13:11.16 | anki | grand_grunt: one more idea: just use it, setup a virtual-machine and install a development snapshot in it. report every bug you encounter. |
| 13:11.25 | anki | grand_grunt: sorry |
| 13:11.35 | anki | Canaris_: one more idea: just use it, setup a virtual-machine and install a development snapshot in it. report every bug you encounter. |
| 13:13.04 | HardDisk_WP | thanx |
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| 13:14.32 | Ace2016 | Whats the command to start gnome's network manager |
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| 13:16.45 | atomic__ | hello, can anyone reccomend me a good image restore software (preferably via tftp/pxe) to use on a etch 4.0r4, im trying to deploy a image of a debian system i have to multiple machines, i tried SystemImager but im having issues i cant seem to resolve |
| 13:17.46 | HardDisk_WP | argh |
| 13:17.51 | atomic__ | the client machines that i have to slap the image onto, have no optical drives, so netboot & install is the only viable option for me |
| 13:18.04 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know how I make an partition mounted by kernel NTFS driver read-write for all users? |
| 13:18.20 | HardDisk_WP | ls -lah /mnt shows that mountpoint /mnt/winxp is 700 |
| 13:18.21 | atomic__ | HardDisk_WP: ntfs-config |
| 13:18.22 | tuxist | 3g ntfs |
| 13:18.28 | HardDisk_WP | no, kernel one |
| 13:18.29 | wols_ | !tell HardDisk_WP about vfatrw |
| 13:18.46 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: not possible. kernel driver can't write |
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| 13:19.06 | tuxist | you must recompile kernel |
| 13:19.16 | wols_ | not even then. simply not possible |
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| 13:19.37 | tuxist | with ntfs write support |
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| 13:20.05 | wols_ | tuxist: are you deaf? |
| 13:20.15 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 13:20.39 | HardDisk_WP | This enables the partial, but safe, write support in the NTFS driver. |
| 13:20.47 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, 2.6.24 one can write, as it seems |
| 13:20.49 | tuxist | mhm |
| 13:21.08 | tuxist | no |
| 13:21.19 | wols_ | " The only supported operation is overwriting existing files, without changing the file length. No file or directory creation, deletion or" |
| 13:21.23 | wols_ | straight from the kernel helpfile |
| 13:21.33 | HardDisk_WP | shit |
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| 13:21.49 | HardDisk_WP | okay, this is stupid for what I want to do |
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| 13:22.27 | tuxist | i hate samba http://paste.debian.net/51297 |
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| 13:22.55 | wols_ | tuxist: that's not samba |
| 13:22.58 | wols_ | !blame sasl |
| 13:22.59 | dpkg | blames M0ffe and sasl for the end of the Internet as we know it |
| 13:23.26 | tuxist | can disable that for samba |
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| 13:34.52 | liable | ouch |
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| 13:40.06 | szymon_g | hi |
| 13:40.32 | x03 | hi |
| 13:40.42 | szymon_g | does anyone succesfully installed apparmor on debian lenny :? |
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| 13:45.47 | wols_ | !tell szymon_g about anyone |
| 13:46.55 | szymon_g | ok, sorry wols_ ;p |
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| 13:48.51 | jetscreamer | does anyone know where i left my umbrella...? |
| 13:51.43 | phorce1 | liable: message temporarily deferred. 127.0.0.1:Connection refused (down to about 17.500 now -- me repeatedly counting them with postqueue -p probably isn't helping. :-) ) |
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| 13:55.59 | craigevil | szymon_g: You may want to check out > http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening |
| 13:56.01 | phorce1 | needs to figure out a safe way to upgrade that *production* machine from sarge to etch with no spare machine available |
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| 13:59.23 | jetscreamer | !alsa checklist |
| 13:59.23 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 13:59.29 | liable | phorce1: you realise they stopped sarge security? |
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| 14:00.25 | Galga | hi |
| 14:00.48 | phorce1 | liable: See note above about upgrade |
| 14:01.09 | liable | phorce1: i was noting that you are a little late :P |
| 14:01.22 | Galga | if there is a software for linux distro but having extension .tar.gz how can i install it on a debian based box (ubuntu). thanks |
| 14:01.43 | jetscreamer | way to keep up with the jonsers, phorce1 |
| 14:02.01 | liable | Galga: ask in #ubuntu, they should be able to point you to some docs. |
| 14:02.16 | Galga | oh the extension is .tar.bz2 instead |
| 14:02.17 | DawnLight | hello. is it possible to host a site in one host while using the subdomain of a different domain? for example, i want to host a site in http://example.com/foo while the access to that site will be from http://foo.somewebsite.com. it is important that the address in the browser remains http://foo.somewebsite.com |
| 14:02.32 | Galga | liable: ok |
| 14:02.43 | jetscreamer | Galga: try tar xvjf blan.tar.bz2 |
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| 14:02.52 | jetscreamer | s/blan/blah/ |
| 14:02.59 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: I have more than one sarge machine that will be difficult to take out of service for an upgrade |
| 14:03.14 | Galga | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 14:03.33 | liable | and you have more than one machine thats a security risk. |
| 14:03.35 | hoxu | DawnLight, yes, it's possible to have a directory visible in different vhosts, consult apache vhost documentation |
| 14:03.50 | jetscreamer | heh... he's not even in #ubuntu |
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| 14:04.17 | DawnLight | hoxu: these are two different machines |
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| 14:04.27 | phorce1 | That one will be the MOST difficult because it was set up with striped raid disks for the (yes, slight, I know) speed improvement. It's using a total of 11G on a 450G stripe |
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| 14:04.46 | hoxu | DawnLight, do you want a transparent proxy or what? |
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| 14:04.50 | DawnLight | hoxu: i'll go read what that is |
| 14:05.14 | hoxu | DawnLight, eh... I think you need to elaborate. But my wild guess is, mod_rewrite might help you |
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| 14:05.36 | liable | 10.5 is on the telly now, and i must say, its gotta be one of the worst movies evar |
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| 14:06.10 | hoxu | DawnLight, #apache could be helpful too |
| 14:06.16 | DawnLight | i want to have a website hosted in one host while serving it from the address of another |
| 14:06.30 | phorce1 | liable: no, there are a couple of volcano ones that are worse |
| 14:06.40 | hoxu | DawnLight, one *physical* host while serving it from another *physical* host? |
| 14:06.57 | DawnLight | hoxu: positive |
| 14:07.51 | DawnLight | i don't have to actually serve it from the second host; i only care about the address |
| 14:08.09 | liable | phorce1: i dunno, this is pretty freakin bad |
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| 14:08.41 | hoxu | DawnLight, if the physical files are on the same servers you probably want virtual hosts, if they aren't, some kind of transparent proxy, and I think mod_rewrite can help you with that |
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| 14:09.08 | phorce1 | liable: I've seen it. I'm a B movie fan -- and I've seen some that I absolutely could not get through 10 minutes. |
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| 14:09.39 | jetscreamer | my kid likes those lame ass volcano and earthquake movies |
| 14:10.13 | jetscreamer | scared shitless of a tornado in r/l but loves disaster movies... go figure |
| 14:10.39 | daniel_John | whats the code for getting info FROM DPKG |
| 14:10.48 | daniel_John | oops |
| 14:10.50 | jetscreamer | heh likes action movies too, but once she got to see my brother in a fight... god the screaming |
| 14:10.57 | jetscreamer | !search' |
| 14:10.59 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 14:10.59 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 14:11.04 | DawnLight | thanks hoxu |
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| 14:11.48 | jetscreamer | !wb dererk |
| 14:11.48 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dererk has returned! |
| 14:11.54 | hoxu | no problem |
| 14:12.10 | dutchfish | hi, i compiled 2.6.25-rc5 (because my ATI card now has full support) and installed compiz, it all works without a glitch, want now to install compiz-fusion, is there info on howto do that? This is still a clean etch system. |
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| 14:12.27 | jetscreamer | !compiz |
| 14:12.27 | dpkg | methinks compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 14:12.39 | doknat | hi, i have just installed debian. now i would like to use gnome. can someone help please? |
| 14:12.42 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 14:12.54 | jetscreamer | doknat: apt-get install xorg gnome |
| 14:12.54 | daniel_John | do i leave off the brackets :" To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>." ? |
| 14:12.56 | dererk | lol |
| 14:13.00 | phorce1 | Hmmm I guess I could buy a couple of 80 gig drives to replace the 250's in the spamassassin machine and take the billing server offline. Try to ghost the spamassassin machine over there and do a sarge --> etch upgrade |
| 14:13.02 | dererk | jetscreamer, thanks :] |
| 14:13.06 | jetscreamer | yes you do |
| 14:13.10 | jetscreamer | !etch->lenny |
| 14:13.10 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs> and <release notes>, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 14:13.13 | jetscreamer | but |
| 14:13.20 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 14:13.26 | MoDaX | dutchfish: what's new in 2.6.25 wrt ati? |
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| 14:13.33 | daniel_John | ahh thanks |
| 14:13.56 | dutchfish | MoDaX, clean support for alot of older ATI cards |
| 14:14.51 | dutchfish | MoDaX, it came in with 2.6.25-rc1 but if have waited a bit so rc5 is now good eneough to try, it worked out great |
| 14:15.31 | dutchfish | MoDaX, among other things aiglx support build in |
| 14:15.46 | valdyn | dutchfish: that has nothign to do with the kernel |
| 14:15.57 | MoDaX | dutchfish: are you about dri module or what? |
| 14:16.03 | MoDaX | valdyn: agreed |
| 14:16.03 | dutchfish | valdyn, up till 2.6.24.3 it didnt work |
| 14:16.11 | dutchfish | MoDaX, yes |
| 14:16.17 | valdyn | dutchfish: yea, possibly, the dri part |
| 14:16.30 | dutchfish | valdyn, yup |
| 14:16.54 | valdyn | dutchfish: older = r500 ? |
| 14:17.03 | dutchfish | valdyn, r200 |
| 14:18.25 | MoDaX | dutchfish: well, aiglx has worked for me with r300 for quite a while already |
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| 14:18.40 | MoDaX | though I'll try 2.6.25 |
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| 14:19.21 | dutchfish | MoDaX, my card Radeon 9100 IGP didnt work until now 2.6.25-rcx |
| 14:19.40 | dutchfish | MoDaX, and i cant change it (mini-ITX) |
| 14:20.06 | MoDaX | dutchfish: you can get precompiled rc debs from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel dists/trunk |
| 14:20.28 | MoDaX | apt-getable and frequently updated |
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| 14:21.16 | dutchfish | MoDaX, yes, but i had other things as well so i had to build myself, like working blue-tooth, firewire, and SD-card, it all works now! |
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| 14:22.24 | dutchfish | MoDaX, even kqemu-modules are a bit faster |
| 14:23.04 | dutchfish | thinks we are getting there, slow ... but still.... |
| 14:23.39 | valdyn | dutchfish: there just was some small quirks that may affect your card |
| 14:23.46 | valdyn | MoDaX: ^^^ |
| 14:23.47 | MoDaX | dutchfish: I tried rc2 or rc1. it broke cd/dvd writing, had to go back to 2.6.24 |
| 14:24.14 | dutchfish | MoDaX, rc2 had mem leaking dont use that |
| 14:25.02 | dutchfish | MoDaX, apart from the cache mem spikes up till 2.6.25-rc4 |
| 14:25.10 | MoDaX | valdyn: yeah, I understand, I don't expect it to be much faster :) anyway, I compile devel kernels because I want wireless-dev (rt2x00 to be more specific) |
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| 14:25.39 | valdyn | MoDaX: that one is significantly better in 2.6.25-x |
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| 14:25.45 | valdyn | MoDaX: ( i got one ) |
| 14:26.02 | dutchfish | MoDaX, 2.6.25 will soon also return master AP mode, alot of gorundwork already has been done |
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| 14:27.21 | dutchfish | MoDaX, but still 2.6.25 is a moving target so be carefull, according linus it will be the best ever, lets see .... |
| 14:28.54 | MoDaX | valdyn: well, rt2500pci didn't work for me at all in rc2+wireless-dev. hopefully, it's fixed now. |
| 14:29.37 | dutchfish | MoDaX, ha, have a system under testing, that use 2.6.24.3 with rt2500pci, but no master AP mode :( |
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| 14:30.05 | chuck | hi, i'm suddenly getting this error when i login to my server, does anyone know why? |
| 14:30.08 | chuck | hda2: write failed, user block limit reached. |
| 14:30.12 | dutchfish | MoDaX, its works, sort of, but not that great (udev is mucking up things often) |
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| 14:30.20 | MoDaX | dutchfish: rt2500pci from .24 works fine (if I ignore range and performance problems) |
| 14:30.21 | xoz | chuck: quota |
| 14:30.22 | gileswwwrk | heya deb heads |
| 14:30.35 | dutchfish | MoDaX, lenny? |
| 14:30.35 | chuck | xoz: oh, thanks, i keep forgetting to configure that correctly |
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| 14:30.53 | gileswwwrk | i've got a problem with madwifi on the latest debian kernel |
| 14:31.05 | gileswwwrk | it has ath5k built in |
| 14:31.14 | gileswwwrk | I can't seem to override it.. |
| 14:31.21 | MoDaX | dutchfish: sid. but I'm not complaining. I've been following rt2x00 for 1,5 years now |
| 14:31.32 | valdyn | gileswwwrk: remove the file or blacklist the driver |
| 14:31.37 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 14:31.37 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
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| 14:31.44 | gileswwwrk | ooo |
| 14:31.51 | gileswwwrk | cheers valdyn |
| 14:31.55 | dutchfish | MoDaX, ok, i tried etch, but that was a disaster, on lenny i got it working along with 2.6.24.3 vanilla |
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| 14:32.31 | dutchfish | MoDaX, but no master AP mode :( |
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| 14:32.57 | bwlang | so ... my mailserver just crashed (bad disk controller) |
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| 14:33.29 | bwlang | is it reasonable to try to set up a second mail server that acts as a backup mx AND copies mail to a backup imap server ? |
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| 14:34.05 | MoDaX | dutchfish: I'm lucky that I don't need master mode |
| 14:34.07 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 14:34.12 | Haris1 | What does allow-hotplug eth0 mean ? |
| 14:34.13 | dutchfish | bwlang, as long as you have your spam protection in place |
| 14:35.18 | bwlang | dutchfish... do you know of any mtas that will deliver to imap but keep a copy to be sent to the master mail server when it comes back online? |
| 14:35.20 | dutchfish | bwlang, backup mx's ar eloved by spammers |
| 14:35.58 | dutchfish | bwlang, most of them do, i would delve into postfix or others |
| 14:36.01 | stoffell | bwlang, you could probably do the smtp stuff with postfix, and use postgrey to hold off the spammers |
| 14:36.14 | bwlang | dutchfish: yeah - i would include the same spam stack that i have on the main server... |
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| 14:36.30 | xoz | Haris1: is it working? |
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| 14:40.26 | TheCount | hello! :) |
| 14:40.34 | TheCount | I have a totally off-topic question! :D |
| 14:41.16 | TheCount | on a remittance check, what goes where? I don't understand what I have to fill in to the fields "PAY", "TO THE ORDER OF", and X EUROS .. |
| 14:41.23 | TheCount | htose somehow work differently here in germany. |
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| 14:41.37 | TheCount | which is the field where I write the name of the receiver, and which one the field for the amount? |
| 14:41.49 | hoxu | TheCount, /part |
| 14:41.50 | Haris1 | xoz: i'm not sure what it is, how can I say its working |
| 14:41.54 | Haris1 | I+ |
| 14:41.58 | Haris1 | I'm+ |
| 14:42.12 | bwlang | dutchfish: i use exim... but i'm not having much luck searching the doc for how to do this... any ideas for some good search terms? (tried delivery + copy) |
| 14:42.27 | dutchfish | bwlang, hold on |
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| 14:42.40 | jetscreamer | to the order of is who you want to be able to cash it |
| 14:42.44 | jetscreamer | aka reciever |
| 14:43.09 | jetscreamer | and i think it's 'pay to the order of' |
| 14:43.14 | jetscreamer | one field |
| 14:43.31 | hoxu | jetscreamer, next thing they'll come for is cooking recipes... |
| 14:43.34 | hoxu | jetscreamer, mark my words ;) |
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| 14:43.44 | jetscreamer | wht is that kde recipe program? :) |
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| 14:44.06 | kris_ph | hello! anybody here uses webmin? |
| 14:44.11 | jetscreamer | cooking with stew, the debian cooking show |
| 14:44.14 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 14:44.14 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 14:44.16 | jetscreamer | no |
| 14:44.19 | TheCount | jetscreamer: ok, so, if I make it say "Pay 1234,50 ¤ to the order of John Wayne; onethousandtwohundredthirtyfour Euros", john wayne should be able to draw the money from it, yeah? |
| 14:44.27 | jetscreamer | and if they did they would be embarrassed |
| 14:44.33 | dutchfish | bwlang, http://koivi.com/exim4-config/ (the hold back when your end point is out, is by default) |
| 14:44.56 | jetscreamer | TheCount: usually around here, it's 'pay to the order of' .... not two different fields |
| 14:45.03 | jetscreamer | that is one |
| 14:45.08 | bwlang | dutchfish: thanks... i didn't expect you to search for me... (give a man a fish and all ...) thanks again! |
| 14:45.15 | jetscreamer | TheCount: so make damn sure before you fill it in |
| 14:45.18 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 14:45.18 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 14:45.21 | dutchfish | :) |
| 14:45.24 | TheCount | jetscreamer: well this one has a field for numerals and one for written, apparently. hmmm. |
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| 14:45.34 | unenough | hi! |
| 14:45.34 | unenough | where does dpkg-buildpackage get the information on which parameters to pass to ./configure? |
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| 14:45.56 | TheCount | jetscreamer: do you have an idea wether this is documented somewhere? |
| 14:46.18 | MoDaX | unenough: debian/rules |
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| 14:46.30 | unenough | thanks |
| 14:46.43 | TheCount | jetscreamer: well, thanks, you've been a help :) |
| 14:46.58 | jetscreamer | TheCount: i'm sure it is but no idea |
| 14:47.10 | jetscreamer | TheCount: google whoever printed it |
| 14:47.12 | TheCount | hoxu: and you'd be surprised about the healthy recipes we've exchanged on #linux.de - hehehe ;) |
| 14:47.20 | jetscreamer | or the company that guarantees it or whatever |
| 14:47.42 | jetscreamer | TheCount: usually there is a 1-800 number on the form/check/whatever |
| 14:47.43 | TheCount | jetscreamer: tried that, didn't really help. I'll try and error ;) thanks! |
| 14:47.50 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 14:48.05 | TheCount | jetscreamer: not in this case ;) which is why I'm asking like an idiot :-D |
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| 14:48.46 | bwlang | dutchfish: did my wife put crank in my breakfast? I can't seem to find anything in there about keeping mail even after it's been delivered |
| 14:48.50 | Haris1 | hotplug seems to be for hard drives |
| 14:48.59 | Haris1 | Are they also for NIC ? |
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| 14:49.53 | kris_ph | so.. what web based control panel can you recommend here for debian and debian based distros? |
| 14:50.17 | dutchfish | bwlang, its default, it queue's the messages till your other mx is back on. If you want a copy you have to hack around ... its .not done. ... |
| 14:51.10 | dutchfish | bwlang, apart from logging |
| 14:51.38 | bwlang | kris_ph: i've heard that webmin is popular... but i don't like that sort of thing and don't have any experience with it. |
| 14:51.48 | dutchfish | bwlang, however, its is possible with postfix to lead it through your own filtering/scripting engine |
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| 14:52.58 | dutchfish | bwlang, you also could delve into ie http://howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch |
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| 14:53.24 | bwlang | dutchfish: i think it's shadow_transport that i'm looking for... reading up on that now |
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| 14:53.55 | kris_ph | bwlang: actually.. I have it in my box.. so far I got no problem with it.. it has been running for almost 3 months now.. and it really helped me a lot.. their latest version (4) is really better than the buggy versions before.. it has been maintained too... just curious about what people would like to say about it and other related stuff... |
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| 14:54.00 | dutchfish | bwlang, amavisd-new is another solution |
| 14:54.03 | arnuld | I am running Etch AMD64 |
| 14:54.16 | arnuld | I was runnign Virtual Consoles |
| 14:54.29 | bwlang | kris_ph:i don't claim that it has problems... i just don't like the whole idea of it. |
| 14:54.37 | arnuld | when I installed GNOME, DM automatically comes up after reboot |
| 14:54.41 | arnuld | how can I get my VC login screen back |
| 14:54.51 | arnuld | I do not want GDm to appear after boot |
| 14:55.43 | wols_ | !nodm |
| 14:55.43 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 14:55.55 | tuxist | sasl + samba help |
| 14:56.10 | xoz | arnuld: just remove the link of gdm in /etc/rc2.d |
| 14:56.22 | arnuld | ok |
| 14:56.31 | arnuld | wait I will be back after a test reboot |
| 14:56.31 | arnuld | ;) |
| 14:56.51 | arnuld | 2 is the default run-level |
| 14:56.55 | arnuld | hats why rc2.d ? |
| 14:57.00 | xoz | yep |
| 14:57.02 | dutchfish | bwlang, yes: http://exim.netmirror.org/exim-html-1.90/doc/html/spec_14.html#SEC349 |
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| 14:57.36 | arnuld | it is S21gdm link, I got it |
| 14:57.59 | arnuld | I will beback |
| 14:58.31 | dutchfish | bwlang, hoever i would prefer amavisd-new 9along with spamm filtering) |
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| 14:59.42 | dutchfish | bwlang, (performance wise) |
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| 15:00.06 | bwlang | dutchfish: i think the spamfiltering is unrelated... i would filter through amavis (as i do now on the main server) then try to deliver to the master MTA, if that fail keep in local queue and deliver to a backup imap server so people can get mail even when the main MTA is offline |
| 15:00.30 | dutchfish | bwlang, ok |
| 15:00.47 | bwlang | dutchfish: but the main imap server will still get all the copies so people's mail is not split |
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| 15:01.31 | dutchfish | bwlang, how do you prevent double delivery, or am i overlooking something? |
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| 15:01.58 | arnuld | I am back |
| 15:02.02 | bwlang | dutchfish: i actually WANT double delivery (once to the backup imap server, once to the real one) |
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| 15:02.16 | codazoda | I have trouble with suspend to ram. I've used s2ram to find a combination that works (s2ram -f -p -s). Now, I need to configure my system to use this option when I press the sleep button, close the lid, or choose the sleep menu in Gnome. I have ACPI disabled because it causes lockups. Where can I find info on where to write the settings I've found to work? |
| 15:02.20 | bwlang | I'll dump the backup imap server when the main site comes back online. |
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| 15:02.24 | arnuld | How can i stop the MTA and hald from running ? |
| 15:02.24 | dutchfish | bwlang, ok, in that i mis-understood you, sorry |
| 15:02.58 | bwlang | dutchfish: actually i think shadow_transport won't do it for me... it only runs on successful delivery to the main transport. |
| 15:03.07 | dutchfish | bwlang, righty |
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| 15:04.13 | bwlang | it's like i want a tee command in the mailserver - i'm surprised that this is not a more common configuration. Maybe it's a bad idea... |
| 15:04.17 | foobar8 | hi! i am looking for a network visualization tool. input: host names, some attributes, network connections/switches, output: some graph (at the moment i use graphviz but i am not really happy with the results) - any tips? |
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| 15:05.16 | Yarcanox | hello |
| 15:05.26 | dutchfish | bwlang, in case of ether-taps mail-proxies do just that |
| 15:05.26 | Yarcanox | how can I bind additional shells to F8-F12? |
| 15:05.57 | bwlang | foobar8: nagios has some of those features |
| 15:06.00 | codazoda | If I'm using apm, are there shell scripts that get executed when the system tries to sleep (i.e. shutting the lid)? If so, where are those? |
| 15:06.03 | asg | Yarcanox: create more getty entries in /etc/inittab |
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| 15:06.11 | Yarcanox | thanks ags :) |
| 15:06.39 | Yarcanox | another question: how can I deactivate X on default? so it only comes up when explicitely starting it? |
| 15:06.49 | bwlang | foobar8: along with the network monitoring... but not many options for display configuration. For diagramming i've found that manual dia drawing is the only good option. |
| 15:06.54 | Yarcanox | and what would I need to type then to start it up in case I wanted to use it? |
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| 15:07.23 | codazoda | Yarcanox: It's GDM that starts X on boot, so you'll want to disable that. Start it manually with "startx" |
| 15:07.38 | Getty | asg: more gettys! |
| 15:07.56 | Yarcanox | codazoda how can I disable it? |
| 15:08.14 | foobar8 | bwland: no need for network monitoring ... hmm manual drawing is not an option |
| 15:08.16 | Yarcanox | asg can I get these changes on inittab into force without restarting my computer? |
| 15:08.25 | dutchfish | bwlang, maybe Perdition is something for you (i have no expirience with it) |
| 15:08.26 | foobar8 | bwland: but thx |
| 15:08.29 | asg | Yarcanox: yes, man telinit |
| 15:08.49 | codazoda | Yarcanox: You could uninstall gdm. |
| 15:08.52 | foobar8 | bwlang: ~s/bwland/bwlang (sorry) |
| 15:09.13 | Yarcanox | codazoda no o.O I just wanted to deactivate it |
| 15:09.13 | codazoda | Yarcanox: apt-get remove gdm (as root or via sudo) |
| 15:09.29 | Yarcanox | I still want it to come up when doing startx |
| 15:09.57 | foobar8 | bwlang: maybe i have to improve my graphivz solution ... |
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| 15:10.21 | codazoda | Yarcanox: Hmmm. Not sure how you might do that. GDM asks for username/password. By the time you can run startx, you've already logged in. |
| 15:10.44 | bwlang | foobar8: it builds a nice "concentric" view of your network, but it's just not that customizable. You don't have to do the monitoring (but if it's big enough that you don't want to draw it manually, you really should have some monitoring) |
| 15:10.49 | Yarcanox | codazoda something like setting the initlevel to 3 probably? |
| 15:11.01 | Yarcanox | that did it on suse |
| 15:11.18 | Yarcanox | I don't know where to change that though |
| 15:11.22 | Yarcanox | (the default init level) |
| 15:11.29 | wols_ | !tell Yarcanox about nodm |
| 15:13.47 | Yarcanox | so what happens if I apt-get remove gdm and do startx then? |
| 15:13.55 | foobar8 | bwlang: it is just for visualization of some (complex) virtual machines/networks test setup |
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| 15:14.23 | foobar8 | bwlang: but maybe i will take a look at nagios anyway |
| 15:14.26 | anki | hello, which debian lenny package has the svn commandline program? |
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| 15:14.40 | bwlang | foobar8: have a look, it might fit what you want for diagramming if you don't have firm requirements for exactly how it looks. |
| 15:14.43 | Doug52392 | Hi |
| 15:14.54 | foobar8 | bwlang: thank you |
| 15:15.40 | Doug52392 | I want to try to install Debian again (last time I tried was about 7 months ago, GRUB didn't install right so I couldn't boot the computer). Has that bug been fixed yet? |
| 15:15.40 | codazoda | I've found s2ram options that work. How do I set those options to happen when I close the lid? |
| 15:16.04 | anki | answer solved: its subversion |
| 15:16.05 | valdyn | Doug52392: debian/stable did not change in the last 7 months |
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| 15:16.44 | Doug52392 | So will I be able to install Debian to my computer (Gateway GT5428, SATA hard drive)? |
| 15:17.03 | valdyn | Doug52392: how would we know? |
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| 15:17.51 | foobar8 | bwlang: it is the network map you talk about? http://nagios.sourceforge.net/images/screens/new/statusmap-tree.png (=> thats the output to expect?) |
| 15:18.06 | ShiftOnYou | how do i change the default shell prompt? |
| 15:18.20 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: you change $PS1 |
| 15:18.27 | bwlang | foobar8: that's one of the choices... i'm using a different view |
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| 15:18.38 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: where is $PS1? |
| 15:18.49 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: its an environment variable |
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| 15:18.50 | bwlang | foobar8: mine is concentric circles |
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| 15:19.03 | ShiftOnYou | how do i change it forever? |
| 15:19.09 | bwlang | foobar8: better for big networks. |
| 15:19.20 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: its probably there in .bashrc |
| 15:19.24 | foobar8 | bwlang: ballon view is quite close to my requirements (http://nagios.sourceforge.net/images/screens/new/statusmap-balloon.png) - is it possible to display the interface ip addresses? |
| 15:19.29 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: ~/.bashrc |
| 15:19.42 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: i have no .bashrc in my home dir |
| 15:19.53 | dutchfish | can nagios find about switches and vlans? i myself am in a need to inventorise a network by ip/mac and how the physical connections are layed out often. |
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| 15:19.57 | foobar8 | bwlang: thats also my major problem with the graphviz solution (text collisions) |
| 15:20.00 | bwlang | foobar8: you can make the names = "192.168..." if you want to , but i don't do that. |
| 15:20.08 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: why dont you? |
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| 15:20.18 | ShiftOnYou | why dont i what? |
| 15:20.22 | valdyn | !find etc/skel/bashrc |
| 15:20.30 | foobar8 | bwlang: but no labels at the edges (network connections) |
| 15:20.31 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/skel/bashrc' returned no results. |
| 15:20.34 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: why dont you have the default .bashrc in your home directory? |
| 15:20.36 | bwlang | dutchfish: it doesn't do "discovery" |
| 15:20.52 | valdyn | !find etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 15:20.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/skel/.bashrc' (1): (/etc/skel/.bashrc) in shells/bash. |
| 15:21.06 | dutchfish | bwlang, is there any tool for that, i dont need graphics but storable in a db would be nice |
| 15:21.14 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: dont know |
| 15:21.18 | bwlang | foobar8: in my system all the routers are mentioned specifically so only nodes need to be labeled. |
| 15:21.23 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: did you delete it? did you create that user the wrong way? are you not on debian? |
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| 15:21.54 | dutchfish | bwlang, i was using arpwatch along with a script i wrote, but its cumbersome |
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| 15:21.55 | ShiftOnYou | i didnt delete it, maybe i created the user the wrong way, im on debian |
| 15:22.16 | DEadPuNk- | anyone can send me the repos of wine for debian4.Or2? |
| 15:22.18 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: ok, adduser <name> is the right way, but you can grab the default files from /etc/skel/ |
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| 15:22.29 | dutchfish | bwlang, specially the solve q like what IP is connected now on that switchport |
| 15:22.30 | ShiftOnYou | ok ... thx |
| 15:22.58 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: technically you dont need this, but a neat prompt and some other neat things are already in there, partially commented out |
| 15:23.11 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: meaning you could just create a new .bashrc |
| 15:23.13 | bwlang | dutchfish: http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/ might help with what you want. |
| 15:23.27 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: but i dont know the content... |
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| 15:23.51 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: you mean that you dont understand the content? |
| 15:23.51 | ShiftOnYou | in /etc/skel/ is no .bashrc |
| 15:23.56 | ShiftOnYou | and .bash is empty |
| 15:23.56 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: ah |
| 15:24.05 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: that is one funny debian system |
| 15:24.21 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: dpkg -l bash |
| 15:24.26 | ShiftOnYou | lol |
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| 15:24.34 | ShiftOnYou | its only not 4 that user ... as root it is :D |
| 15:24.41 | dutchfish | bwlang, looks exactly what i need, thank you for the info i delve into it |
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| 15:24.56 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: doesnt matter, root is like any other user in this case |
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| 15:25.14 | bwlang | dutchfish: i've only used the non -ng version, so i can't say for sure how good this is... the older version is stable. |
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| 15:25.32 | dutchfish | bwlang, is it in one of debian repos? |
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| 15:25.58 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: i copied that file but still sh-3.1$ |
| 15:26.00 | bwlang | dutchfish: i don't think so. |
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| 15:26.10 | dutchfish | bwlang, ok |
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| 15:28.03 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: you need to relogin |
| 15:28.09 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: or start another bash |
| 15:28.13 | ShiftOnYou | di did |
| 15:28.15 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: _after_ you edited that file |
| 15:28.20 | ShiftOnYou | i did |
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| 15:28.59 | jsemmanue1 | my keyboard stops responding, and sometimes debian just stops responding. where do i get the logs for the crash after restart? |
| 15:28.59 | tuxist | i have disable sasl in /etc/defaults |
| 15:29.06 | tuxist | with no results |
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| 15:30.43 | ttl- | i'm trying to modify damn small linux distro for use on a flash drive but having problem with the support for cloop in debian ? |
| 15:31.04 | ttl- | there is no /dev/cloopx |
| 15:31.14 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: ok, got it , i changed it in the /etc/passwd from sh to bash |
| 15:32.36 | arnuld | why MTA runs by default on Debian ? |
| 15:32.46 | arnuld | I did not ask apt-get to install it |
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| 15:33.47 | Maulkin | exim4-daemon-light |
| 15:34.08 | neosix | hello! I'm using KDE for the first time. How to solve broken dependencies in Kpackage. In synaptic it's easy |
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| 15:35.23 | MoDaX | dutchfish: rebooting to rc5. lets see |
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| 15:35.52 | neosix | so can anybody help me? |
| 15:36.23 | dutchfish | MoDaX, thumbs x-ed |
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| 15:36.32 | MoDaX | neosix: don't use KPackage |
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| 15:36.46 | plazer | Hello, how can I put the box on reboot to the badblocks scan? |
| 15:36.50 | MoDaX | neosix: better use synaptic under kde |
| 15:37.20 | MoDaX | plazer: reboot into single user mode and run it manually |
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| 15:37.32 | neosix | MoDaX: ok but I have to solve broken depend. now I can't install anything now |
| 15:37.37 | plazer | MoDaX: What about if the box is dedicated ? |
| 15:38.05 | MoDaX | neosix: use apt-get or aptitude |
| 15:38.08 | Dukan | hi, good morning |
| 15:38.18 | Dukan | ops |
| 15:38.49 | MoDaX | so far so good. rt2x00 works |
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| 15:39.52 | MoDaX | plazer: well, run badblocks in non-destructive read-only mode |
| 15:40.30 | MoDaX | plazer: running badblocks on boot is a bad idea if you don't have access to console |
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| 15:40.51 | Roge | anyone know how to get songbird installed ? |
| 15:41.16 | Roge | ive been suprised to find the repo missing a lot of apps |
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| 15:43.35 | MoDaX | !info iceowl |
| 15:43.37 | dpkg | iceowl: (Standalone Calendar Application), section web, is optional. Version: 0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7742 kB, Installed size: 22760 kB |
| 15:43.41 | MoDaX | Roge: ^^^ |
| 15:43.53 | Roge | hi MoDaX |
| 15:43.59 | Roge | ahh |
| 15:44.02 | Roge | !info songbird |
| 15:44.03 | wols_ | Roge: have you googled? |
| 15:44.11 | Roge | i did |
| 15:44.16 | wols_ | I don't believe you |
| 15:44.19 | Roge | ok |
| 15:44.23 | wols_ | http://www.google.de/search?q=debian+songbird&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 15:44.29 | wols_ | and this proives it |
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| 15:44.52 | liable | proves |
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| 15:45.00 | Roge | yea i knew i could do it that way |
| 15:45.05 | Roge | i was looking for a deb |
| 15:45.18 | wols_ | and modax gave you one |
| 15:45.29 | Roge | it said pakage didnt exsist |
| 15:45.42 | simonrvn | !info iceowl etch |
| 15:45.44 | MoDaX | wols_: no. I confused sunbird with songbird :) |
| 15:45.47 | wols_ | iceowl clearly exists |
| 15:45.52 | Roge | songbird dude |
| 15:45.54 | Roge | the music playert |
| 15:45.55 | simonrvn | <dpkg> Package 'iceowl' does not exist. |
| 15:46.14 | Roge | give me the benefit of the doubt. im not a total newb |
| 15:46.16 | simonrvn | oh. duh. |
| 15:46.31 | simonrvn | <-- needs coffee |
| 15:46.43 | dutchfish | !coffee simonrvn |
| 15:46.43 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for simonrvn, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 15:46.51 | Roge | heh heh |
| 15:46.57 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 15:47.46 | wols_ | Roge: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412437 |
| 15:47.52 | Roge | thankyou |
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| 15:48.13 | pablo | hi, someone uses preload on debian? is it worth trying it? |
| 15:48.33 | wols_ | maybe you mean prelink? |
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| 15:49.00 | __Neo__ | Lo, I'm after a package (something in php or cgi like squirrelmail) that'll give me a page similar to proxify.com... i.e. you go there and get a fake browser inside your browser so you can browse websites being loaded server side (a web proxy, without the client needing to access anything but port 80 and no extra software needed). Anyone know of such a thing? |
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| 15:49.18 | pablo | wols_: yes |
| 15:49.41 | MoDaX | pablo: more hassle than actual benefit |
| 15:49.50 | simonrvn | __Neo__: pointless if you're gonna do that from your machine(s) |
| 15:50.18 | __Neo__ | why pointless? i'm putting it on my server for friend |
| 15:50.45 | __Neo__ | his workplace gives him a very restrictive proxy and he doesn't want to use a well known place like proxify.com |
| 15:50.48 | simonrvn | you failed to mention that ;) |
| 15:50.54 | __Neo__ | sorry :P |
| 15:51.12 | pablo | MoDaX: ah ok, you discourage using it |
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| 15:52.10 | simonrvn | they use (likely) squid to do that, plus a frameset to access it from a web site. dunno of any package that would have that set up already, but probably very easy to do if you have experience doing that sort of thing |
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| 15:53.49 | __Neo__ | simonrvn: I don't - do you? :D |
| 15:54.40 | Dewi | what does it mean when boot just freezes before grub comes up, and if I run grub from a boot CD, 'find /boot/grub/stage1' finds nothing? |
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| 15:55.06 | Dewi | the disks are all probing; I can mount filesystems, but there just is no boot |
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| 15:55.27 | simonrvn | __Neo__: i haven't made such a thing. you could probably ask them for their frontend's code or something. squid is rather easy to set up |
| 15:55.46 | __Neo__ | ok, I'll ask in squid :D cheers |
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| 15:56.14 | simonrvn | __Neo__: good luck, have fun =) |
| 15:56.16 | hark | __Neo__: cgiproxy or phpproxy |
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| 15:56.45 | simonrvn | oh it exists |
| 15:57.28 | simonrvn | Dewi: is it still there? :) |
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| 15:57.43 | Dewi | simonrvn: is what still there? |
| 15:57.56 | __Neo__ | hark: are they packages? what about them? |
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| 15:58.18 | simonrvn | /boot |
| 15:58.24 | Dewi | simonrvn: yep |
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| 15:58.47 | simonrvn | !info cgiproxy etch |
| 15:58.54 | simonrvn | !info cgiproxy |
| 15:59.03 | simonrvn | !info phpproxy |
| 15:59.09 | hark | ah, don't think it's in debian :) |
| 15:59.11 | simonrvn | not in debian |
| 15:59.31 | simonrvn | probably sf or something |
| 15:59.40 | dutchfish | maybe offtopic, (i have blocked those on my nets) but still here is a list off those proxies that just do that: http://www.tech-geeks.org/list-archive/tech-geeks/11-2006/msg00228.html |
| 15:59.43 | enouf | Dewi: boot freezing prior to anything grub is likely a hardware or BIOS issue. |
| 16:00.04 | enouf | (that is, if you're sure grub is there) |
| 16:00.13 | enouf | (which it seems you're not ;-)) |
| 16:00.17 | robboplus | folks, can you please advice me on something.. i have a box where there are ~1000 connections established (ircd) and people can't connect, port seems to be closed but it's NOT, it sometimes works and sometimes magically opens itself... ulimit -n is saying 8192, what else do i want to check/swich to solve this puzzle? |
| 16:00.42 | robboplus | it has to do with some hard limit (NOT ircd related though - 2000 limit there) |
| 16:00.56 | robboplus | as i get ~1000 max all the time and then shit starts to roll |
| 16:01.16 | dutchfish | robboplus, checksum offloading? |
| 16:01.25 | robboplus | dutchfish hm.. |
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| 16:01.40 | robboplus | may i please ask you to elaborate on that, dutchfish? |
| 16:01.51 | robboplus | never heard that term before |
| 16:02.12 | enouf | file descriptor limit? |
| 16:02.12 | dutchfish | robboplus, most modern nics do the checksum in its hardware hence checksum offloading, setable |
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| 16:02.27 | robboplus | enouf ulimit -n (file desc limit) says 8192 |
| 16:02.47 | robboplus | dutchfish hm.. is it possible to play with that? |
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| 16:02.56 | enouf | 1000 connections != X open files -- or does it? |
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| 16:03.04 | dutchfish | robboplus, i havent a link but google knows |
| 16:03.13 | lynucs | what could be the reason, that after suspending with hibernate -f on wake up there is only a blck screen presented? |
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| 16:03.45 | BadRobot | hi there dutchfish |
| 16:03.50 | robboplus | enouf afaik 1000 connections = 1000 open file desc. |
| 16:04.01 | BadRobot | why dutchfish? |
| 16:04.08 | robboplus | dutchfish i will dig for sure and thank you very much |
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| 16:04.16 | robboplus | dutchfish i just hope it's solvable |
| 16:04.30 | dutchfish | robboplus, and follow enouf too |
| 16:04.31 | BadRobot | it could to even be "fish and chips" |
| 16:04.45 | enouf | lsof | grep -i unix | wc -l |
| 16:04.45 | enouf | 122 |
| 16:04.50 | enouf | i dunno |
| 16:04.55 | robboplus | dutchfish but what are the other limits to check in the system? max file desc. is fine - 8192 and not typical 1024 |
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| 16:05.04 | robboplus | enouf hm |
| 16:05.27 | dutchfish | robboplus, your switch (2nd) |
| 16:06.20 | robboplus | a switch? you mean hw? |
| 16:06.43 | dutchfish | possible |
| 16:07.13 | dutchfish | robboplus, but you can test that, there are tools for that |
| 16:07.17 | zykes | does debian have any kind of "Kickstart" like features like redhat based systems ? |
| 16:07.35 | Xenguy | zykes: fai ? |
| 16:07.37 | Decepticon | hi, how do i change the default video player in etch from totem to vlc? |
| 16:07.51 | Xenguy | zykes: never used it, but read about it a little |
| 16:07.52 | Dewi | enouf: hmm. that was strange. I had to use 'root' in grub before 'find' would work... and that's not the order I did it in just yesterday... |
| 16:08.01 | Dewi | enouf: and once I reinstalled grub, it booted again... |
| 16:08.08 | zykes | i mean like for over the network Xenguy |
| 16:08.18 | Dewi | enouf: so many mysteries with this thing |
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| 16:08.35 | Xenguy | zykes: yes, I believe fai can do that, read up on it a bit and see |
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| 16:09.10 | enouf | Dewi: hrm |
| 16:09.21 | dutchfish | robboplus, a dying nic is also an option you should check |
| 16:09.32 | robboplus | dutchfish hm. |
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| 16:09.42 | dutchfish | robboplus, and your log files or use tcpdump, or wireshark |
| 16:10.08 | dutchfish | robboplus, and ifconfig can reveal bad packets (easy) |
| 16:10.56 | dutchfish | robboplus, i ran into that myself so time ago with an el cheapo switch |
| 16:11.14 | Decepticon | what can i use to see my GUI on virtual terminal f7 over VNC? I tried tightvncserver, but that seems to use Xvnc to open up another X server on :1, and doesnt show me my already-present GUI session, and instead creates a new one. |
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| 16:12.50 | dutchfish | robboplus, on a decent machine ~1000 connections would not cause problems normally |
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| 16:13.49 | Justin | Decepticon: x11vnc, vino, krfb |
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| 16:14.00 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:14.16 | robboplus | dutchfish look, it's not about problems, it's about some damn limit that kicks in |
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| 16:14.30 | robboplus | dutchfish the machine is quad xeon with 8 gigs... |
| 16:14.37 | Ace2016 | You can have Fat32 on a file system larger than 32GB right? regardless of what the xp installer says |
| 16:15.07 | dutchfish | robboplus, sure |
| 16:15.08 | robboplus | dutchfish and i can't open more than ~1000 connections for ircd there, the port becomes unreachable from time to time, that's exactly what is happening |
| 16:15.17 | Decepticon | Justin: which is more noob-friendly? vino? (i am on gnome) |
| 16:15.24 | simonrvn | mmm i'm going to edit my corntab ;p |
| 16:15.32 | robboplus | your corn :) |
| 16:15.40 | Decepticon | my corntab needs editing too |
| 16:15.46 | dutchfish | robboplus, run tcpdump (prefrably on the console itself) |
| 16:15.50 | robboplus | rosted corntab would be so nice today :) |
| 16:16.09 | robboplus | dutchfish i do only console all the time :) |
| 16:16.23 | dutchfish | robboplus, i meant not remote if possible |
| 16:16.33 | robboplus | oh that you mean - can't do that |
| 16:16.55 | dutchfish | robboplus, ok |
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| 16:19.29 | dutchfish | robboplus, i supose your ddos protection is in place, i have no further clues that would help except what i already suggested ... |
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| 16:20.31 | Decepticon | hm everything in my debian menu is appearing twice, whats up with that? |
| 16:20.37 | arnuld | I mount CD/DVD drives manually |
| 16:20.40 | arnuld | why should I need hald running ? |
| 16:20.46 | arnuld | my Debian installation is running "hald" automatically |
| 16:21.01 | arnuld | Decepticon: wow, thats strange problem :\ |
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| 16:21.12 | arnuld | Decepticon: i amnot of any help though |
| 16:21.16 | arnuld | Decepticon: sorry |
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| 16:21.32 | Decepticon | hm |
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| 16:24.49 | enouf | Ace2016: yes |
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| 16:25.30 | Ace2016 | hm... i was planning to install xp over vista, just not productive and a lot of apps do not work |
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| 16:26.14 | arnuld | Ace2016: hmm ... so yiou found Vista not productive |
| 16:26.42 | arnuld | Ace2016: BTW, what are you doing on #debian ? |
| 16:26.47 | enouf | Decepticon: man update-menus ? |
| 16:26.48 | arnuld | Ace2016: just asking |
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| 16:27.03 | [beginner] | hello |
| 16:27.18 | arnuld | [beginner]: Hi there |
| 16:27.20 | fasta | Is there a command that stops aptitude from saying that "errors were found during..."? I don't care about pre/post removal scripts not running. I just want to get rid of these misbehaving packages. |
| 16:27.27 | arnuld | [beginner]: so what are you aiming at ? |
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| 16:27.35 | wols_ | !tell fasta about bat |
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| 16:28.02 | enouf | arnuld: hal, udev, dbus - it's the DE Trifecta ;-) |
| 16:28.07 | [beginner] | how can I configure man pages viewer to control it with arrow keys? |
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| 16:28.22 | Ace2016 | arnuld: well i thought i was in the ##windows tab, but guess i wasn't |
| 16:28.35 | arnuld | enouf: yes, dbus is also running , :\ |
| 16:28.39 | hark | [beginner]: install less |
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| 16:28.54 | arnuld | enouf: udev is essential for hardware is linked to /dev ? |
| 16:29.10 | enouf | arnuld: yeah, basically and more |
| 16:29.14 | [beginner] | hark: thanks, I'll try |
| 16:29.20 | arnuld | Ace2016: neber knew that ##windows even existed |
| 16:29.34 | Ace2016 | lol it exists, full of windows people |
| 16:29.36 | arnuld | enouf: so I can stop dbus and hald without cauding any trouble ? |
| 16:29.44 | [beginner] | hark: it works =) |
| 16:29.56 | Dewi | Ace2016: and linux trolls... |
| 16:30.04 | Ace2016 | there is also ##linux, its more distro generic and offtopic |
| 16:30.06 | enouf | arnuld: all you can do is test - i have no way of knowing what aspects you rely on |
| 16:30.29 | arnuld | enouf: hald is useless to me, I never used that on my Arch installation |
| 16:30.38 | arnuld | enouf: I do not know anytign about dbus |
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| 16:30.49 | arnuld | enouf: so,was asking |
| 16:30.55 | enouf | Dewi: same can be said for ##linux, lots od wintendo weenies at times ;-) |
| 16:31.01 | enouf | s/od/of |
| 16:31.05 | azeem | arnuld: run "apt-get remove dbus" and see whether you need any of the applications which depend on it |
| 16:31.30 | arnuld | azeem: ok, wait |
| 16:32.00 | enouf | dbus is a message system bus for DE and such - how would i know if you even ran a DE on anothe distro :-P |
| 16:32.34 | arnuld | azeem: OUCH! |
| 16:32.39 | enouf | hehe |
| 16:32.45 | arnuld | azeem: whole gnome depends on hadl and dbus :\ |
| 16:32.49 | azeem | sure |
| 16:32.56 | arnuld | I will remove gnome then |
| 16:33.04 | azeem | that makes sense |
| 16:33.09 | arnuld | :D |
| 16:33.15 | enouf | azeem: i like your style on that one |
| 16:33.16 | Dewi | gnome is massively overrated |
| 16:33.35 | arnuld | I am basically a Ratpoison/wmii user |
| 16:33.46 | arnuld | i thught gnome wil be good for my father |
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| 16:34.00 | arnuld | but it ate up all of my RAM :( |
| 16:34.04 | dutchfish | Dewi, whats not, according linus gone users are retarded, so am i? |
| 16:34.07 | arnuld | Windowmaker eats nothing at all |
| 16:34.09 | arnuld | :) |
| 16:34.12 | enouf | trollin trollin trollin |
| 16:34.15 | dutchfish | s/gone/gnome |
| 16:34.31 | arnuld | enouf: ? talking about me ? |
| 16:34.43 | enouf | arnuld: how much RAM in system? |
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| 16:34.50 | arnuld | enouf: 1 GB |
| 16:34.57 | fasta | The output of aptitude while removing a package is here: http://paste.debian.net/51314 |
| 16:35.02 | fasta | wols_: ^^ |
| 16:35.21 | limpio | hi, anybody knows if it's possible to restart ion3 with a keybinding? |
| 16:35.27 | arnuld | enouf: 512 x 2 , 400 MHz |
| 16:35.35 | enouf | arnuld: i think most DEs are bloated, but i can manage to get some kde apps working ok (along with other things going) with only 320MB on a p2 |
| 16:35.47 | enouf | arnuld: so - you see - it's a matter of tweaking as well |
| 16:36.00 | arnuld | enouf: right, even GNOME runus faster at my place |
| 16:36.07 | arnuld | Enfi|ade: but that' snot the point |
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| 16:36.26 | arnuld | enouf: point is, why it should eat my system when I don't need ha;d and dbus ? |
| 16:36.37 | azeem | right, so remove it |
| 16:36.44 | enouf | arnuld: but i don't complain about any app "eating my RAM", if that happens, it goes |
| 16:36.45 | azeem | arnuld: no need to troll GNOME, kthybe |
| 16:36.49 | azeem | kthxbye* |
| 16:36.50 | fasta | wols_: it also contains apt-cache policy output for one package |
| 16:37.14 | arnuld | I am troling DEs (not GNOEM or KDE) |
| 16:37.17 | arnuld | :P |
| 16:37.23 | azeem | arnuld: that's off-topic here |
| 16:37.35 | azeem | you can try trolling them in #debian-offtopic |
| 16:37.36 | arnuld | ok, ok |
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| 16:37.40 | arnuld | my father needs a massage |
| 16:37.40 | enouf | you forgot a couple, and yes, it's OT (pretty much) |
| 16:37.42 | arnuld | BRB |
| 16:37.53 | simonrvn | trolling , peroiod, is off-topic |
| 16:38.02 | arnuld | ok guys, I got it |
| 16:38.05 | arnuld | BRB |
| 16:38.07 | enouf | it == DE talk |
| 16:38.14 | arnuld | :D |
| 16:38.19 | simonrvn | period* |
| 16:38.35 | enouf | rectangles is more like it ;-) |
| 16:38.47 | enouf | , peroio O_o |
| 16:38.58 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know if it's possible to make a .deb package extract itself to somewhere that's not /? like /usr/local perhaps? |
| 16:39.16 | simonrvn | extract itself? |
| 16:39.28 | CharminTheMoose | install even |
| 16:39.34 | azeem | CharminTheMoose: install or extract? |
| 16:39.45 | simonrvn | that's what configuring debian/rules and friends is for |
| 16:39.50 | azeem | you can extract debs anywhere you like, but you can only seriously install them to / |
| 16:40.43 | CharminTheMoose | azeem, oh right cool. thanks |
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| 16:41.06 | fasta | Why doesn't the package management system have an operation to stop managing a package? |
| 16:41.21 | CharminTheMoose | also, heh simonrvn i could just extract the .deb, fiddle around with the debian/rules and then package it up again and install it? |
| 16:41.41 | enouf | fasta: hold? |
| 16:41.53 | hoxu | fasta, what do you want to do? |
| 16:41.54 | enouf | !hold |
| 16:41.54 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 16:42.08 | fasta | enouf: hold has different semantics |
| 16:42.17 | simonrvn | CharminTheMoose: doesn't work that way |
| 16:42.20 | hoxu | fasta, what's your problem? |
| 16:42.39 | fasta | hoxu: I want to have the command as described here http://paste.debian.net/51314 executed with a zero exit status. |
| 16:43.00 | simonrvn | fasta: no such thing. you can aalways remove/purge it (and set up an equivs for the deps) |
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| 16:43.16 | azeem | CharminTheMoose: you can extract source packages, fiddle around with debian/rules, and build them |
| 16:43.26 | fasta | simonrvn: The purge command also doesn't always work |
| 16:43.28 | azeem | CharminTheMoose: why do you need this in the first place? |
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| 16:43.38 | fasta | simonrvn: since the semantics are defined in terms of remove. |
| 16:43.44 | hamok | why is dpkg not replying me? |
| 16:43.45 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: nothing wrong with /usr/local ;-) |
| 16:43.53 | hamok | !HTTPS |
| 16:44.02 | wols_ | fasta: it tells you over and over: reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 16:44.10 | wols_ | !ping |
| 16:44.10 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:44.10 | azeem | hamok: because there is no such factoid |
| 16:44.12 | hamok | i want dpkg to tell me about HTTPS on debian |
| 16:44.12 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: also - you can ar -x .deb ; then do what you want with the 3 things inside ;-) |
| 16:44.21 | hoxu | fasta, welcome to unstable :) |
| 16:44.29 | simonrvn | hamok: if the factoid doesn't exist, it won't |
| 16:44.39 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: but dpkg -i wants to keep track of what's instaled where, as it should |
| 16:44.46 | fasta | hoxu: I just wanted to install one package from unstable. The package exists for over a month. |
| 16:44.57 | hamok | ok. i want to enable HTTPS on my apache. what should I do? |
| 16:44.59 | wols_ | fasta: what do you run normally? |
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| 16:45.25 | fasta | wols_: I ran testing without any of this nonsense for the last 7 months or so. |
| 16:45.31 | hamok | i have the certificate and key file ready. can I do something like aptitude install and HTTPS will be enabled? |
| 16:45.31 | fasta | wols_: before that Unstable. |
| 16:45.36 | hoxu | fasta, uh-huh, the dependencies usually pull you to unstable, unless you are really careful with it |
| 16:45.37 | wols_ | fasta: you did a very stupid thing, mixing branches |
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| 16:47.15 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, but those three things inside do not contain the aforementioned debian/rules? |
| 16:47.22 | fasta | wols_: I doubt that's the reason it's not working. |
| 16:47.30 | hoxu | fasta, yes it is :p |
| 16:47.54 | fasta | hoxu: ok, well, elaborate please, then. |
| 16:48.04 | wols_ | !tell fasta about bobitt |
| 16:48.29 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: i think only the source pkgs do, i forget offhand, have a look inside one ;-) |
| 16:48.31 | wols_ | fasta: you hosed your debian and that's it |
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| 16:48.51 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: since pkgs are built from source pkgs |
| 16:48.57 | hoxu | fasta, look, you have a mixed testing/unstable, I'm afraid we can't just point out how to mix the mess, most likely you have to completely "upgrade" to unstable, or do something safer like reinstalling ;) |
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| 16:49.08 | hoxu | s/mix/fix/ |
| 16:49.30 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: good use of 'aforementioned' there you antlered monster |
| 16:49.42 | enouf | :-P |
| 16:49.49 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, why thank you! |
| 16:49.50 | wols_ | fasta: simply put: you are doubly on your own: you mix branches AND you run unstable. |
| 16:50.01 | CharminTheMoose | is away: CharminTheMoose is dead at this moment in time. |
| 16:50.06 | wols_ | CharminTheMoose: stop that |
| 16:50.10 | wols_ | CharminTheMoose: no away messages |
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| 16:50.21 | CharminTheMoose | sorry |
| 16:50.31 | CharminTheMoose | is dead at this moment in time |
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| 16:50.34 | hoxu | fasta, for now, I guess you could do as wols pointed out, reinstall the package it tells you to reinstall, then try removing it again |
| 16:50.59 | fasta | hoxu: Debian has no notion of reinstalling. That would mean I have to copy all of my data to some other location and restore later. |
| 16:51.11 | fasta | hoxu: also downgrading is not supported either. |
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| 16:51.28 | fasta | hoxu: but the system allows a user to install unstable packages |
| 16:51.32 | baloo | !tell charminthemoose about away |
| 16:51.37 | fasta | hoxu: together they form a mess. |
| 16:51.51 | hoxu | fasta, well, my suggestion is to back up /etc/ while it's still mostly testing, then reinstall testing if you want it |
| 16:52.06 | hoxu | fasta, no one changed your sources.list to mix debian branches, you did it yourself |
| 16:52.19 | fasta | hoxu: can I just keep my /home as is? |
| 16:52.33 | hoxu | fasta, is it on a separate partition? |
| 16:52.33 | simonrvn | fasta: yes the package management system does so have such a concept |
| 16:52.37 | fasta | hoxu: yes |
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| 16:52.44 | hoxu | fasta, then I see no problem :) |
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| 16:53.38 | hoxu | fasta, you could even try copying old /etc over after reinstall, but since I don't know how many unstable packages you installed, it's not recommended (testing/unstable configs are not compatible) |
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| 16:53.41 | fasta | hoxu: but does the installation procedure recognize my /home too (or can it present it in some sane way)? |
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| 16:54.26 | hoxu | not sure how the installer works with existing /home and other partitions, can anyone confirm it's a no-problem? |
| 16:54.30 | enouf | fasta: sure, use expert{gui} mode just to be sure - hit those f1-f10 keys, and see the installation guide |
| 16:54.37 | fasta | hoxu: I don't want to accidentally destroy /home |
| 16:54.49 | hoxu | fasta, back it up to be on the safe side :) |
| 16:54.54 | enouf | fasta: i make no guarantees though |
| 16:55.00 | enouf | bingo |
| 16:55.06 | fasta | hoxu: I have a backup, but restore takes a long time. |
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| 16:55.32 | hoxu | fasta, you probably don't need to (famous last words) ;) |
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| 16:57.19 | fasta | If the design would be such that there was a command to switch between Stable/Testing/Unstable at will, there wouldn't be a problem to begin with. Being able to install multiple versions of packages isn't something unheard of in more modern package systems. |
| 16:57.31 | fasta | hoxu, enouf, wols_: thanks, anyway. |
| 16:57.33 | hoxu | u-huh |
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| 16:58.00 | hoxu | fasta, in ideal words you wouldn't have to mess with packages, apt would directly read your brain and launch the programs you need ;) |
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| 16:58.03 | simonrvn | fasta: oh ffs, are you fucking serious? |
| 16:58.07 | hoxu | s/words/world/ gee |
| 16:58.08 | newbie | huahua is here? |
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| 16:58.25 | simonrvn | !seen huahua |
| 16:58.25 | dpkg | huahua <n=hua@222.50.182.251> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 742d 22h 41m 6s ago, saying: 'is sublicense == relicense ?'. |
| 16:58.28 | wols_ | simonrvn: it is sunday |
| 16:58.34 | newbie | !seen huahua |
| 16:58.40 | maligor | fasta, which modern packaging system exactly? |
| 16:58.44 | simonrvn | *i just did that* |
| 16:58.48 | maligor | gentoo portage? |
| 16:58.53 | hoxu | fasta, you could create separate partitions and install different distro versions on them, and switch by rebooting :p |
| 16:58.53 | wols_ | maligor: source based ones :) |
| 16:58.59 | wols_ | cause those are the only ones that can do it |
| 16:59.01 | maligor | yes, it would work on those |
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| 16:59.19 | wols_ | but fasta doesn't realize debian is a binary based distro |
| 16:59.27 | newbie | i'm using testing & i install kde4 ,i want to run the compiz... |
| 16:59.31 | hoxu | maligor, have you always been idling here btw? :p |
| 16:59.48 | simonrvn | hoxu: he's been here a while =) |
| 16:59.55 | wols_ | newbie: what videocard driver? |
| 16:59.57 | newbie | but i install compiz,& run that is no window manger run... |
| 16:59.59 | hoxu | simonrvn, ah, evil lurks near when you don't expect it to :P |
| 17:00.07 | simonrvn | heheh :P |
| 17:00.07 | newbie | 945g... |
| 17:00.09 | newbie | -_-! |
| 17:00.17 | wols_ | newbie: is 3D working? |
| 17:00.22 | newbie | yes... |
| 17:00.23 | jberg | hey, im going to set up a simple backup server and going to go for debian. since this is not a very critical server testing should be fine? or should i go with stable? |
| 17:00.27 | newbie | the compiz can run... |
| 17:00.32 | wols_ | newbie: btw, compiz is a window manager |
| 17:00.34 | newbie | but no window magnager... |
| 17:00.40 | newbie | o.O |
| 17:00.43 | wols_ | jberg: stable |
| 17:00.48 | maligor | hoxu, not always |
| 17:00.50 | newbie | compiz is a window manger... |
| 17:00.56 | wols_ | !compiz |
| 17:00.57 | dpkg | well, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 17:01.03 | simonrvn | manager |
| 17:01.15 | jberg | wols_: hm ok. but isnt the software in stable like 3 years old? |
| 17:01.17 | maligor | hoxu, infact I only joined the fray fairly recently |
| 17:01.29 | hoxu | simonrvn, it was missing 'l', not 'a' ;) |
| 17:01.44 | wols_ | jberg: you want one thing of a backup server above all others: stability. cause when you actually need the server the shit has hit the fan already |
| 17:01.58 | maligor | newbie, you mean you get no decorations |
| 17:02.09 | jberg | wols_: yeah i guess you're right. thanks |
| 17:02.10 | newbie | bug i run it there is no the close max window button in topbar... |
| 17:02.23 | jberg | is raid1 hard to set up on linux? |
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| 17:04.33 | newbie | is any theme work will in kde4 with compiz? |
| 17:05.03 | jberg | oh and is aptitude preferred over apt now? |
| 17:06.36 | hoxu | jberg, pretty much, you don't have to use it if you don't want to, though... but don't mix apt/aptitude use |
| 17:07.04 | arnuld | I had Archlinux earlier whwere i used Deluge for downloading torrents |
| 17:07.10 | fasta | simonrvn: yes, I am. |
| 17:07.11 | arnuld | but deluge is not available with Debian |
| 17:07.17 | fasta | maligor: Nix, for example |
| 17:07.17 | arnuld | any good replacement |
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| 17:07.43 | jberg | hoxu: okay |
| 17:07.44 | fasta | wols_: binary/non-binary has _nothing_ to do with it. |
| 17:07.53 | maligor | fasta, it has everything to do with it |
| 17:08.03 | fasta | wols_: it's just a lot less _practical_. |
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| 17:08.23 | Maulkin | fasta: ok, what binary modern package system works like that? |
| 17:08.38 | fasta | Maulkin: Nix, AFAIK. |
| 17:08.39 | maligor | what I wouldn't mind changing about the debian package system is that it would be possible to mix arches like amd64/i386 |
| 17:09.03 | arnuld | Deluge was a simple and straghtforward Torrent client |
| 17:09.21 | arnuld | any idea of such a replacement on Debian ? |
| 17:09.40 | maligor | arnuld, dunno.. deluge maybe? |
| 17:09.48 | arnuld | maligor: :\ |
| 17:10.00 | fasta | I don't see the problem with having a command: Switch to Stable, that even at run-time replaces the kernel to a stable one. |
| 17:10.10 | wols_ | fasta: so which binary based distro/package management system can do what you ask? |
| 17:10.13 | arnuld | maligor: ? |
| 17:10.17 | newbie | !kde4 |
| 17:10.17 | dpkg | well, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 17:10.21 | maligor | I guess unstable is the only place that has a reasonably recent deluge package tho |
| 17:10.32 | arnuld | hmm |
| 17:10.35 | fasta | wols_: Nix |
| 17:10.40 | wols_ | Nix? |
| 17:10.44 | wols_ | what distro is this? |
| 17:10.51 | fasta | wols_: NixOS |
| 17:10.52 | Maulkin | fasta: Non beta and deployed. |
| 17:10.58 | maligor | arnuld, ktorrent is pretty good if you don't mind the kde library dependencies |
| 17:11.04 | fasta | maligor: define deployed |
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| 17:11.08 | Maulkin | And actually uses FHS. |
| 17:11.14 | fasta | Maulkin: define deployed* |
| 17:11.19 | Maulkin | "NixOS is not really suitable for production use" |
| 17:11.38 | fasta | Maulkin: I wasn't saying that there was such a production system. |
| 17:11.42 | arnuld | maligor: I tried qtorrent which has a corrputed working system :( |
| 17:11.44 | wols_ | fasta: "NixOS is not really suitable for production use" |
| 17:11.46 | Maulkin | Has a fully working gnome system |
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| 17:11.58 | maligor | arnuld, ktorrent is quite a different program |
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| 17:12.20 | fasta | wols_: yes, so? Nix is an existence proof of a system without the limitation that I described. |
| 17:12.27 | mee|ro | how can one adresse multiple ip-adresses with iptables? i'd need to match a range from e.g. 192.168.0.10 to 192.168.0.20 |
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| 17:12.42 | yenno | hi, is it right that i can't set the system time on a vserver? |
| 17:12.44 | wols_ | fasta: it's a research project as they thsemselves say |
| 17:12.47 | arnuld | maligor: I thought both based on Qt, which is KDE package |
| 17:12.47 | newbie | ok...is anyone can tell me how can i type the chinese in kvirc2? |
| 17:12.56 | fasta | wols_: yes, so? |
| 17:12.58 | wols_ | yenno: yes. time is a kernel variable |
| 17:13.10 | fasta | wols_: if I knew it would work better, I would switch instantly. |
| 17:13.14 | hoxu | mee|ro, you can use /mask, see the manual page |
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| 17:13.22 | maligor | arnuld, well.. yes, but that's the only thing common with qtorrent and ktorrent |
| 17:13.28 | sigp239 | Is there an unstable backport of the nvidia-graphics-driver for stable? |
| 17:13.30 | Maulkin | gets bored |
| 17:13.33 | fasta | wols_: Nix didn't have tons of time spent on it. |
| 17:13.39 | Maulkin | fasta: do you have a Debian support question? |
| 17:13.44 | wols_ | sigp239: no, but you can backport it yourself |
| 17:13.50 | hoxu | Maulkin, that's evil you know :p |
| 17:14.04 | sigp239 | wols_: I'll try |
| 17:14.05 | fasta | wols_: but it does have the feature I described, which was what this discussion was about. |
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| 17:14.07 | wols_ | !tell sigp239 about simple sid backport |
| 17:14.15 | wols_ | fasta: answer Maulkin |
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| 17:14.45 | fasta | Maulkin: yes, but that question has been answered to some degree. |
| 17:15.52 | Maulkin | fasta: so there's nothing else we can help you with? |
| 17:16.11 | fasta | Maulkin: no, I have nothing more to add at this point in time. |
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| 17:16.38 | hoxu | ... |
| 17:16.39 | enouf | wols_: btw, a 'ssd' link exists for simple sid backport (less typing ;-)) |
| 17:16.43 | enouf | gah |
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| 17:16.46 | enouf | ssb* |
| 17:16.59 | wols_ | neato :) |
| 17:17.04 | Maulkin | Thanks. Further discussion on the merits or disadvantages fo NixOS can go to #defocus. |
| 17:17.05 | enouf | righto |
| 17:17.09 | sigp239 | wols_: What's the name of the package so I can build a backport? |
| 17:17.19 | wols_ | sigp239: nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 17:17.47 | sigp239 | wols_: Why does apt-cache search nvidia-graphics-drivers come up with nothing? |
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| 17:19.19 | mib_xtnk8fyi | Maulkin: that was an abuse of admin powers. |
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| 17:21.06 | sigp239 | wols_: Okay, well the debs are built...Do I just dpkg -i all of them? |
| 17:21.13 | wols_ | yes |
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| 17:23.38 | sigp239 | wols_: Got some dependency problems |
| 17:24.02 | wols_ | I know, Xorg probably |
| 17:24.15 | wols_ | you need to edit the dependencies before you build the package |
| 17:24.20 | HardDisk_WP | what do I do wrong with iasl? http://pastebin.ca/945033 |
| 17:25.28 | sigp239 | wols_: Where/How do I edit the dependencies? |
| 17:25.39 | wols_ | ain debian/ |
| 17:25.43 | wols_ | oone of the config* files |
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| 17:26.05 | sigp239 | wols_: In this folder? nvidia-graphics-drivers-169.09 |
| 17:26.13 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:26.59 | Maulkin | fasta: please stick to the channel guidelines and don't message me. |
| 17:26.59 | sigp239 | hrm |
| 17:27.03 | simonrvn | ban evasion.... stupid |
| 17:27.14 | Maulkin | I'm not interested. |
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| 17:27.26 | wols_ | ban evasion is still grounds for a k-line right? |
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| 17:28.03 | arnuld | i want to remove gnome but can't do it |
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| 17:28.11 | arnuld | apt-get --purge remove gnome |
| 17:28.18 | sigp239 | wols_: This is the error I get: http://paste.debian.net/51318 |
| 17:28.18 | arnuld | only remove 1 packages named gnome :\ |
| 17:28.43 | wols_ | !tell arnuld about remove gnome |
| 17:28.44 | khaleel5000 | I have debian etch rc0, freshly installed, when I watch videos online it seems to work fine, but when i play dvd, kaffeine gives me an error saying output device is busy.i am using Kde |
| 17:29.02 | arnuld | wols_: ? |
| 17:29.12 | arnuld | !remove gnome |
| 17:29.12 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 17:29.19 | wols_ | arnuld: you got a PM from dpkg about that already |
| 17:29.23 | wols_ | !tell arnuld about selftell |
| 17:29.26 | wols_ | and now you got another |
| 17:29.29 | arnuld | wols_: I did that :) |
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| 17:30.36 | arnuld | wols_: that way of removing gnome is crazy |
| 17:30.46 | arnuld | I have chekc every single package using gnom word :\ |
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| 17:30.59 | tuulk | does the netinst iso have a repository mirror list build in? |
| 17:31.05 | fjern | hm i know this isn't exactly debian specific, but with regards to my backupserver, what is the "best" choice of harddisks? ata, sata og scsi or something else? |
| 17:31.07 | arnuld | thats too much time consuming to check every package an type it |
| 17:31.08 | wols_ | tuulk: yes |
| 17:31.11 | tuulk | ok tnx |
| 17:31.17 | wols_ | fjern: #hardware |
| 17:31.29 | sigp239 | wols_: Which file do I edit in ~/nvidia-graphics-drivers-169.09/ |
| 17:31.37 | wols_ | sigp239: none |
| 17:31.39 | sjz | just bought an exteral HD and trying to get it working on debian etch. i see the following msg(here http://sial.org/pbot/30569). anyone can help me sort it out? thanks! |
| 17:32.05 | jberg | wols, ah ok |
| 17:32.20 | sigp239 | wols_: I meant in here ~/nvidia-graphics-drivers-169.09/debian |
| 17:32.23 | sigp239 | right? |
| 17:32.28 | wols_ | sigp239: use grep to find out |
| 17:32.36 | sigp239 | okay |
| 17:32.58 | khaleel5000 | i tried to manually kill artsd (incase its causing a trouble, yet recieve same error ) Audio output unavailable. Device is busy. () |
| 17:34.03 | cahoot | khaleel5000: user fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* to see why it's busy |
| 17:34.19 | cahoot | s/user/use/ |
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| 17:35.44 | sigp239 | wols_: I did that and got this http://paste.debian.net/51320 |
| 17:35.54 | wols_ | fasta: stop messaging me |
| 17:35.55 | khaleel5000 | cahoot: http://rafb.net/p/vA1gRp41.html |
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| 17:37.09 | sjz | trying to get a new external usb HD work on debian etch.. the dmesg shows "usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x13fd/0x1240) is not claimed by any active driver." how do i get it to work? |
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| 17:37.29 | wols_ | fasta: I told you to fuck off. now do it |
| 17:37.47 | khaleel5000 | CalJohn_: |
| 17:37.53 | khaleel5000 | cahoot: any suggestions? |
| 17:37.55 | wols_ | sigp239: I told you in what files to look and that grep command is kinda stupid |
| 17:38.14 | cahoot | khaleel5000: didn't really help |
| 17:38.24 | sigp239 | wols_: I admit that I'm a stupid linux user. |
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| 17:39.14 | wols_ | sigp239: I didn't say that. the grep command is however. only search in debina7 not your whole ~ |
| 17:39.29 | cahoot | khaleel5000: can you run speaker-test (as user)? |
| 17:39.37 | enouf | khaleel5000: kill manually? just disable it in kcontrol center |
| 17:39.46 | sigp239 | wols_: You mean in here right? ~/nvidia-graphics-drivers-169.09/debian/ |
| 17:39.53 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:41.04 | khaleel5000 | enouf: did it (if you remember you suggested tuning auto suspend to 0 some hours ago, trued tuning to 0 , even disabling it .....still futle |
| 17:41.07 | enouf | khaleel5000: generally i use, as root; lsof | egrep 'arts|esd ' to see what's hogging sound |
| 17:41.12 | khaleel5000 | futile * |
| 17:41.15 | enouf | khaleel5000: maybe fuser shows the same though |
| 17:41.28 | enouf | khaleel5000: someone else did, but yes, i recall that |
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| 17:41.40 | enouf | khaleel5000: i think it was Ace2016 |
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| 17:41.55 | Ace2016 | huh? |
| 17:41.56 | darkwizzard | hello |
| 17:41.56 | Ace2016 | me? |
| 17:42.16 | darkwizzard | how do i reset my xserver to ati |
| 17:42.55 | Ace2016 | oh yea that was my idea |
| 17:42.57 | khaleel5000 | cahoot: i dont know how to run speaker test, i did check if my audio is ok , by running some videos directly off the net |
| 17:43.08 | khaleel5000 | enouf: Ace2016 oh , sorry for the mixup |
| 17:43.29 | khaleel5000 | i am still working on this issue with abseloutely no success |
| 17:43.42 | cahoot | khaleel5000: just execute speaker-test (as user) in a terminal - no error? |
| 17:43.49 | Ace2016 | khaleel5000: did you try setting the alsa output to alsa in the hardware tab? |
| 17:43.53 | sigp239 | wols_: Package: nvidia-glx |
| 17:43.53 | sigp239 | Architecture: i386 amd64 |
| 17:43.53 | sigp239 | Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.09, x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) |
| 17:44.08 | sigp239 | so can I just delete the x11-common and xserver-xorg-core? |
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| 17:44.30 | Ace2016 | or just simply as i always used to do, sudo killall -9 artsd, that stops it dead |
| 17:44.49 | Ace2016 | i had issues with artsd going 100% cpu usage |
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| 17:45.07 | wols_ | sigp239: only in the config* file |
| 17:45.09 | enouf | khaleel5000: i hope you're not on ubuntu :-P |
| 17:45.15 | khaleel5000 | cahoot: its running the test , as a user, no errors, ...will inform when its done |
| 17:45.21 | khaleel5000 | enouf: no i am on etch ,rc0 |
| 17:45.23 | sigp239 | wols_: Oh, I deleted it from the control file |
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| 17:45.53 | cahoot | khaleel5000: just wanted to see if user was allowed - ctlr-c to stop speaker-test |
| 17:46.07 | khaleel5000 | Ace2016: alsa output to alsa...which hardware tab? |
| 17:46.17 | khaleel5000 | cahoot: stopped |
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| 17:46.26 | enouf | khaleel5000: kcontrol |
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| 17:46.31 | Ace2016 | arts output to alsa in kcontrol |
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| 17:46.57 | enouf | khaleel5000: also dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and choose alsa, install alsa-oss, and alsa-utils |
| 17:47.20 | johndbritton | what are the steps to take to diagnose a server that stops responding seemingly randomly |
| 17:47.23 | johndbritton | i |
| 17:47.31 | johndbritton | i've only got ssh access |
| 17:47.46 | sigp239 | wols_: No config file: find ~/nvidia-graphics-drivers-169.09/debian -name 'config*' -print |
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| 17:48.10 | Ace2016 | m-a a-i nvidia? |
| 17:48.11 | Ace2016 | ok bye all |
| 17:48.22 | wols_ | sigp239: then grep all, I thought it was a autoconf file, maybe I was mistaken |
| 17:48.41 | khaleel5000 | enouf: done |
| 17:48.42 | wols_ | johndbritton: set up a serial console or remote syslog |
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| 17:49.25 | enouf | khaleel5000: any all apps should be using 'default', not hw0.0, hw0:1, etc (those are OSS designated names, IINM) |
| 17:49.27 | gileswwwrk | whats the chan for lenny? |
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| 17:49.35 | azeem | gileswwwrk: this one |
| 17:49.54 | gileswwwrk | oh heh i thought they split them |
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| 17:50.09 | gileswwwrk | i've got a weird problem trying to install x |
| 17:50.25 | gileswwwrk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.45 | wols_ | !tell gileswwwrk about bat |
| 17:50.48 | gileswwwrk | I did a apt-get update |
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| 17:51.06 | khaleel5000 | enouf: i installed the relevant packages, then i did dpkg-reconfig.... then i tried to play , set xine parameters to either auto and also at alsa, failed either way |
| 17:51.11 | enouf | khaleel5000: once you do all changes, restart your kde session for good measure |
| 17:51.15 | dvs | gileswwwrk: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
| 17:51.18 | sigp239 | wols_: Well, I'm lost. No experience in this, don't know what I'm doing. |
| 17:51.20 | khaleel5000 | enouf: ok restarting |
| 17:51.22 | enouf | khaleel5000: failed how? |
| 17:51.25 | khaleel5000 | the session |
| 17:51.47 | khaleel5000 | enouf: failed as in it still showed same error, " Audio output unavailable. Device is busy. ()" |
| 17:51.50 | gileswwwrk | i'll dig it out dvs |
| 17:51.54 | enouf | yes, thankfully restart != reboot ;-) |
| 17:51.57 | gileswwwrk | i do have some alternatives repos in there |
| 17:52.04 | wols_ | simonrvn: grep * "2:1.4" |
| 17:52.04 | khaleel5000 | will try rebooting |
| 17:52.06 | Roge | is there a command to check and upgrade packages ? |
| 17:52.19 | enouf | khaleel5000: well, back to my lsof command - also rerun alsaconf as root |
| 17:52.20 | Roge | to update the system ? |
| 17:52.32 | enouf | no, don't reboot! |
| 17:52.38 | enouf | rofl - wtf? |
| 17:52.45 | johndbritton | wols_: I just examined the syslog after i brought the box back up all i see are cron entries and then a restart then the boot process |
| 17:53.00 | dvs | gileswwwrk: that's what I think the problem is. |
| 17:53.17 | wols_ | johndbritton: I didn't say to check the syslog, I said to you to use a serial console or set up a remote syslog. totally different things |
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| 17:53.44 | simonrvn | wols_: no i won't. (does the command exist?) |
| 17:53.47 | johndbritton | wols_: whats a remote syslog |
| 17:53.50 | simonrvn | wols_: ;p |
| 17:54.17 | gileswwwrk | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
| 17:54.23 | wols_ | simonrvn: sigp... fled |
| 17:54.23 | dvs | !paste |
| 17:54.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:54.37 | darkwizzard | i tried to put in ati drivers |
| 17:54.43 | wols_ | johndbritton: ever heard of google? |
| 17:54.43 | gileswwwrk | I've got that in there, I'm afraid I'm running sid actually.. got me names mixed up |
| 17:54.57 | darkwizzard | i don't know if i did it right |
| 17:55.07 | dvs | gileswwwrk: I can't help you there, I don't run unstable myself |
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| 17:55.22 | wols_ | gileswwwrk: edit xorg.conf |
| 17:55.34 | wols_ | gileswwwrk: after you removed all fglrx packages |
| 17:55.36 | Roge | wols_, why are you so ignorant to people. there just asking questions for help. if you dont know the answer just tell them you dont know. you dont need to be sarcastic with retorical questions |
| 17:55.47 | gileswwwrk | yea I'm beginning to think is was a bit of a mistake running unstable as it's a server |
| 17:55.53 | abrotman | uh .. yeah |
| 17:56.05 | gileswwwrk | but it is just my home play server and I generally like to try out bleeding edge on it |
| 17:56.07 | wols_ | !tell Roge about apt howto |
| 17:56.18 | wols_ | Roge: what is it I don#t know? |
| 17:56.47 | gileswwwrk | okies wols I'll have a look to see what I've installed |
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| 17:56.52 | dvs | gileswwwrk: as long as it's not a real production server, it's ok. But I don't even want to mess with unstable. |
| 17:56.54 | Roge | anyhow im not gonna argue |
| 17:57.00 | khaleel5000 | ah still no success :@ |
| 17:57.14 | Roge | the community just isnt what it was when i started 7 years ago |
| 17:57.38 | wols_ | Roge: do you have a debian support related question? |
| 17:57.46 | Roge | not at this time no |
| 17:57.54 | wols_ | then why are you talking? |
| 17:58.05 | Roge | wow |
| 17:58.26 | Eulex_ | Roge, sorry, this is not a chat channel, this is a pure support channel. |
| 17:59.08 | Roge | take care |
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| 17:59.14 | tuulk | enyone know an ncurses tool to configure display and video settings now that they removed that part from xorg reconfigure . i dont like xrandr guesing what i want. |
| 17:59.30 | wols_ | !tell tuulk about drxx |
| 17:59.44 | wols_ | that's all there is. or edit xorg.conf |
| 18:00.05 | tuulk | like i said they removed it from dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:00.15 | wols_ | that's all there is. welcome to sid |
| 18:00.33 | tuulk | it can no longer be used for driver and display setup |
| 18:01.11 | darkwizzard | anyone know were i can find a how to install ati video drivers? |
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| 18:01.51 | abrotman | darkwizzard: which video csard? |
| 18:02.43 | darkwizzard | ati radeon 9550 |
| 18:02.45 | khaleel5000 | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/zfogJC88.html |
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| 18:03.08 | wols_ | !tell darkwizzard about fglrx one-liner |
| 18:03.10 | abrotman | darkwizzard: try the 'radeon' driver |
| 18:03.50 | enouf | a bit OT, but for your Wifi lubbers ;-) http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/illuminated/991e/ |
| 18:03.50 | khaleel5000 | enouf: when i use kaffeine and it fails to work , the fuser command shows a different location than when i successfully use firefox (/dev/snd/pcm |
| 18:04.14 | khaleel5000 | enouf: sorry try this one and see difference on output hardware http://rafb.net/p/UCe8q658.html |
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| 18:04.32 | enouf | khaleel5000: i use none of those apps :-( |
| 18:04.46 | khaleel5000 | oh |
| 18:04.59 | cahoot | khaleel5000: pcmC0D0p is the playback 'device' |
| 18:05.04 | enouf | khaleel5000: perhaps someone else more familiar with those can help a bit more |
| 18:05.07 | danilom | can i resolve a mac to ip number? using console |
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| 18:06.14 | enouf | fuser fails to find this and others that lsof finds knotify 3993 stompthebozo mem REG 22,1 32568 596356 /usr/lib/libesd.so.0.2.36 |
| 18:06.26 | enouf | but that's not likely relevant for you |
| 18:07.05 | enouf | danilom: erm, isn't that what arp does? .. or you mean a MAc to an iface? |
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| 18:07.33 | enouf | !tell danilom about z25 |
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| 18:07.48 | danilom | enouf, im going to use arp |
| 18:08.35 | danilom | enouf, is a machine in the lan i know the mac, i want to know the ip or hostname |
| 18:08.35 | darkwizzard | darn it not working for me |
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| 18:09.17 | enouf | danilom: maybe nmap can help as well |
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| 18:11.45 | enouf | interesting $ ls -l /proc/asound/* |
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| 18:12.37 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 18:13.24 | fas3r | it's possible to create ghost file on debian machin ? (a backup where it save mbr and all data like symantec ghost ) |
| 18:13.40 | wols_ | !g4u |
| 18:13.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, g4u is ghost for unix, http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ |
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| 18:13.58 | fas3r | dpkg: i have test it but it's very long ... |
| 18:14.09 | netdaemon | is there a global configuration for aptitude? |
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| 18:15.04 | abrotman | netdaemon: /etc/apt/apt.conf for many things |
| 18:15.08 | mirami | Hello |
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| 18:15.31 | fr00g | is there any antiadware/spyware app for linux? |
| 18:15.53 | maligor | a what? |
| 18:16.03 | abrotman | fr00g: for your browser? |
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| 18:16.12 | fr00g | abrotman: yes |
| 18:16.23 | abrotman | fr00g: you're aware that spyware is mostly win32 oriented .. and will have no affect |
| 18:16.24 | maligor | a cookie cleaner eh |
| 18:16.26 | mirami | Can somebody explain me main differencve between hda and sda pls? |
| 18:16.48 | abrotman | fr00g: look for plugins for your browser |
| 18:16.48 | maligor | mirami, hda is the ide api, sda is the scsi |
| 18:17.01 | fr00g | mirami: scsi or usb |
| 18:17.10 | enouf | sda can be USB/SATA/SCSI, related |
| 18:17.17 | netdaemon | abrotman: ah, didn't realize that apt.conf took priority |
| 18:17.25 | maligor | eventually IDE will move to it too I believe |
| 18:17.25 | fas3r | wols_: or directly i an iso file ? no ? |
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| 18:17.39 | fas3r | because i need to test it before .. and i haven't second server .. :s |
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| 18:18.32 | enouf | mirami: note also, cd/dvd drives can be scd0, sr0, etc |
| 18:19.16 | enouf | it used to be much more messy between ide/sata/scsi, etc |
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| 18:19.36 | mirami | I have usb hard drive ... I am not sure that sda is this sda? |
| 18:19.38 | fr00g | abrotman: mostly should mean there is need to inbstall stuff like antiadware/antispyware tools |
| 18:19.54 | enouf | mirami: cat /proc/partitions and dmesg can help |
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| 18:20.30 | enouf | mirami: as well as ls -l /dev/disk/* and other commands like vol_id and blkid, and udevinfo, etc |
| 18:20.31 | abrotman | fr00g: only if you care about cookies |
| 18:20.59 | fr00g | ok |
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| 18:21.59 | enouf | fr00g: if you try things foolish like IE7 in wine with activex and .NET, well then - who knows ;-) |
| 18:22.17 | fr00g | :P |
| 18:22.22 | maligor | enouf, does that work? I've only had IE 6 installed |
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| 18:22.42 | enouf | maligor: i know of a fedora site that outlines it |
| 18:22.54 | enouf | well, one person's blog or whatever |
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| 18:23.15 | enouf | maligor: and personally, i have no idea, nor care ;-) |
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| 18:23.33 | maligor | if you do webpages, it's one solution |
| 18:23.38 | enouf | maligor: have fun http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/activex-linux.php |
| 18:23.59 | maligor | might just aswell run a vm tho, since you need a windows license to use it anyway |
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| 18:25.51 | mirami | thans for advices.. And when I would like this disk mount automatically RW? Is it possible? |
| 18:25.57 | enouf | maligor: do webpages? erm, i really loathe most web page authors' work (their misuse of wrong crap and non-standards and such) - so perhaps i'm not the one to discuss this with ;-) |
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| 18:27.05 | enouf | mirami: sure, you likely want to modify (or create) a udev rules file .. look into whatever options your DE offers if that's what you mean (GUI) |
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| 18:27.52 | enouf | mirami: look at /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
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| 18:28.34 | odla | hi when i unplug my laptop the gnome-power-manager suspends my computer. is there way to tell it not to do this ... or is this a bug? |
| 18:29.51 | mirami | /enouf What do you mean "whatever options your DE offers" ... sorry I am a bit new. |
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| 18:30.51 | enouf | mirami: are you using Gnome or KDE perhaps as a DE (Desktop Environment) |
| 18:31.18 | mirami | Gnome... |
| 18:31.38 | enouf | mirami: for Gnome, System > Preferences , for KDE; kmenu > Kcontrol Center |
| 18:31.59 | enouf | for Gnome, i'm really unsure |
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| 18:32.16 | enouf | mirami: look at automount, volume mount options, etc |
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| 18:32.51 | enouf | mirami: want to have fun? do "man gnome-<tab><tab>" in your xterm :-P |
| 18:33.03 | mirami | I think I have it... Removeable drives and media |
| 18:33.50 | mirami | Good idea ... :-) |
| 18:33.55 | PeteB | I've been reorganising partitions and ended up with the partition grub points to hda7 not hda8. How do I get the GRUB stage in MBR to point to /dev/hda7 instead? |
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| 18:34.15 | Soskel | hi |
| 18:34.32 | Soskel | how come I can't apt-get install dovecot? |
| 18:34.43 | Soskel | Package dovecot is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:34.54 | PeteB | I've tried the Etch rescue method but it has a fatal error reinstalling GRUB |
| 18:35.15 | Soskel | what's a good IMAP/POP3 mail server for debian? |
| 18:35.41 | PeteB | Soskel: the dovecot package isn't called dovecot |
| 18:35.55 | Soskel | PeteB: ?? what's it called? |
| 18:35.57 | PeteB | Soskel: do 'apt-cache search dovecot' |
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| 18:36.28 | PeteB | Soskel: what did you discover? |
| 18:36.38 | Soskel | ahhh |
| 18:36.38 | Soskel | hah |
| 18:36.42 | Soskel | alrighty, thanks! |
| 18:37.13 | PeteB | Soskel: http://workaround.org/ispmail-etch/ might be useful to you |
| 18:37.21 | Soskel | i'll look at that, thanks! |
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| 18:37.46 | PeteB | How do I get the GRUB stage in MBR to point to /dev/hda7 instead? |
| 18:37.53 | PeteB | of hda8 |
| 18:38.04 | enouf | PeteB: edit your menu.lst |
| 18:38.13 | Maulkin | edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:38.22 | Maulkin | (then run grub-install) |
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| 18:39.07 | PeteB | Maulkin: if stage 1 is pointing to /dev/hda8, which is now /dev/hda7, it ain't gonna make any difference what I edit in /dev/hda7/...menu.lst |
| 18:39.19 | enouf | only if your /boot moved would you need to reinstall grub |
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| 18:39.46 | enouf | (in general) |
| 18:39.59 | PeteB | enouf: the partition number has changed, so I get "Error 15" |
| 18:40.06 | PeteB | which means file not found |
| 18:40.24 | enouf | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 18:40.26 | wols_ | PeteB: grub-install |
| 18:40.45 | PeteB | enouf: I'll look, thanks |
| 18:41.28 | PeteB | wols_: The Etch rescue disc fails doing that. Am I right in thinking the MBR will have a reference to /dev/hda8 where menu.lst is? |
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| 18:41.41 | vvd | enouf: in general, i had to reinstall grub to boot sid from a ext3 partition that had fedora installed. |
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| 18:41.54 | wols_ | Maulkin: no |
| 18:41.59 | enouf | note; menu.lst #groot= and #kopt= settings |
| 18:42.09 | vvd | enouf: dont ask me why, it makes no sense :) |
| 18:42.12 | wols_ | in MBR there is a reference to the sectors stage 1.5 and stage 2 are |
| 18:42.25 | wols_ | PeteB: how far exactl,y do you get? |
| 18:42.34 | Maulkin | wols_: ? |
| 18:42.36 | enouf | wols_: not in MBR, but just beyond it |
| 18:42.48 | PeteB | I get "GRUB loading, please wait..." then "Error 15" |
| 18:42.48 | enouf | (within 1st 63 sectors) |
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| 18:43.13 | wols_ | enouf: and which stage file is there in those sectors? |
| 18:43.30 | PeteB | wols_: if it references sectiors than that's the issue, cos I';ve moved partitions around. I assumed it referenced a device name y'see |
| 18:43.34 | enouf | 0000300: 00eb fe4c 6f61 6469 6e67 2073 7461 6765 ...Loading stage |
| 18:43.34 | enouf | 0000310: 312e 3500 2e00 0d0a 0047 656f 6d00 5265 1.5 |
| 18:43.51 | PeteB | yeah, I see I get stage 1.5 |
| 18:44.02 | enouf | wols_: none, only pointers ;-) |
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| 18:44.21 | szymon_g | !flashplugin |
| 18:44.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 18:44.28 | enouf | wols_: to where the groot or /boot dir is, IINM |
| 18:44.42 | szymon_g | !adobe flash |
| 18:44.43 | dpkg | Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from backports.org or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>. |
| 18:44.53 | wols_ | internal error: the second sector of Stage 2 is unknown |
| 18:45.16 | zzz | !gnash |
| 18:45.16 | dpkg | gnash is, like, a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 18:45.31 | wols_ | tho there also is /boot/grub/menu.lst in there |
| 18:45.42 | PeteB | so, I've changed menu.lst's device names, how do I reinstall GRUB to MBR such that it points to the current sectors? can I do that from Etch disc rescue mode? |
| 18:46.06 | wols_ | PeteB: yes |
| 18:46.20 | wols_ | chroot into your debian install and bindmount /dev and /proc |
| 18:46.24 | wols_ | then run grub-install |
| 18:46.56 | wols_ | or boot your etch directly with the root= kernel param |
| 18:47.09 | PeteB | wols_: great, thanks, I'll do that |
| 18:47.16 | enouf | PeteB: or use a grub floppy or cd and do it using grub shell |
| 18:48.34 | enouf | (or from the installer, but not entirely sure how rescue mode would work) .. migh need to remount / rw somewhere, mkdir /target, chroot, etc |
| 18:49.52 | enouf | PeteB: note, grub's shell also does TAB completion ;-) |
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| 18:50.34 | PeteB | enouf: great, all good info, thankyou, I'm off focusing... |
| 18:50.37 | FFEMTcJ | I set up chroot following the tutorial at http://howtoforge.com/chroot_ssh_sftp_debian_etch - however when I attempt to login with the testuser I set up, I get the following error: /bin/bash: No such file or directory - /bin/bash and /home/chroot/bin/bash both exist. Does anyone have any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 18:51.56 | enouf | PeteB: i made a grub floppy for myself, can also easily make a grub CD http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html |
| 18:52.03 | vvd | FFEMTcJ: looks like you need to install bash to your chroot :) |
| 18:52.30 | FFEMTcJ | vvd: how do I do that? I did cp /bin/bash /home/chroot/bin |
| 18:53.09 | PeteB | enouf: yeah I;ev got a floppy I made for this kind of situation but it's in the office and I'm not. I have my CDs tho |
| 18:53.24 | vvd | FFEMTcJ: sorry, i didnt read exactly, you have them in place |
| 18:53.26 | enouf | what's testuser's entry in /etc/passwd? |
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| 18:54.23 | FFEMTcJ | testuser:x:1003:100:testuser:/home/chroot/./home/testuser:/bin/bash |
| 18:55.59 | Malf | FFEMTcJ: and that's in the /home/chroot/etc/passwd as well? |
| 18:56.31 | FFEMTcJ | testuser:x:1003:100:testuser:/home/chroot/./home/testuser:/bin/bash |
| 18:56.47 | enouf | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94 |
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| 18:59.24 | FFEMTcJ | enouf: I dont understand how that will fix my problem? |
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| 19:00.39 | Malf | FFEMTcJ: Could you double check if all of the libraries listed in that URL you posted were successfully copied over? |
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| 19:02.14 | FFEMTcJ | Malf: just checked.. they are |
| 19:02.46 | Malf | FFEMTcJ: Since I've never done this before myself my suggestion would be trying the stuff mentioned in the debian docs: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 19:03.01 | FFEMTcJ | http://pastebin.be/9829 |
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| 19:03.22 | FFEMTcJ | looking |
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| 19:04.17 | Ace2016 | !Ace2016 |
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| 19:05.21 | FFEMTcJ | Malf: I don't know how that will really help.. It seems like they are setting up a different distro.. |
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| 19:06.05 | Malf | FFEMTcJ: The point is that it in principal installs everything you need for you. So I thought that way you could guarantee you had all of the libs you needed and all of the permissions set up automatically |
| 19:06.27 | fjfalcon | hello all, can someone help me. I need reconfigure cups to it's default... It is posible to do such? If so - how? dpkg-reconfigure cups not working =( |
| 19:06.34 | FFEMTcJ | ic |
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| 19:07.46 | dutchfish | FFEMTcJ, http://howtoforge.com/chroot_ssh_sftp_debian_etch_p2 |
| 19:08.17 | enouf | FFEMTcJ: i'm no expert on the subject or anything, but if i wanted to restrict, such like i think you do, i would likely setup scponlyc and sftp-server (modified f needed) .. but perhaps ignore me for now, others are helping and they're very knowledgeable |
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| 19:09.02 | FFEMTcJ | dutchfish: I'd have to start all over to do that.. so I was hoping to try to get the first way working.. but I'll keep that if I give up. ty |
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| 19:10.26 | FFEMTcJ | enouf: the best way that I can describe it would be to setup as if I was going to sell hosting from my server (much like godaddy, dreamhost, etc). I keep being told that chroot will do what I need, but I can't get it to work.. I'm not saying that your way wont work, and you know more than I do, so it might.. But I'm fairly new to all this, and just don't know. ty for the suggestion |
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| 19:11.26 | enouf | FFEMTcJ: no prob, and perhaps you want to look at vserver as a solution ;-) (oh boy, now i've really done it ;-)) |
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| 19:11.48 | FFEMTcJ | lol.. im not sure what that is, but with your response I don't know that I want to. |
| 19:11.51 | FFEMTcJ | lol |
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| 19:11.56 | enouf | !vserver |
| 19:11.57 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 19:12.36 | FFEMTcJ | right now I'm using ISPConfig, which works for the most part. But it is interfering with a couple of other things.. |
| 19:13.12 | PeteB | The Etch installer disc has a great option to execute a shell from a particular partition. From there I do grub-install hd0 & get "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
| 19:13.46 | enouf | erm --recheck ? |
| 19:13.49 | dutchfish | FFEMTcJ, look at this script (all you need to know is in there) http://www.fuschlberger.net/programs/ssh-scp-sftp-chroot-jail/make_chroot_jail.sh.html |
| 19:14.32 | FFEMTcJ | ty |
| 19:14.38 | enouf | !8ball do i like Calamari? |
| 19:14.38 | dpkg | No. |
| 19:14.42 | FFEMTcJ | I think I'm gonna start over and use the automated meathod |
| 19:14.44 | enouf | wha!? |
| 19:14.52 | PeteB | enouf: gives same error with --recheck |
| 19:14.52 | dutchfish | enouf, with garlic yes ;) |
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| 19:15.05 | enouf | !8ball do i like fish!? |
| 19:15.05 | dpkg | Are you smoking crack? |
| 19:15.10 | enouf | haha |
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| 19:15.16 | enouf | PeteB: ouch |
| 19:15.17 | FFEMTcJ | dpkg: and what if I am? |
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| 19:15.29 | abrotman | lay off the bot |
| 19:16.01 | enouf | point (didn't mean to start a swarm .. oh dear, it's sunday, doh!) |
| 19:16.13 | PeteB | I have Etch and Testing installations so I'll try the other |
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| 19:20.02 | enouf | PeteB: fwiw, try grub-install /dev/name hd0 though maybe you didn't mount / (and/or /boot) rw, then --bind mount /proc and /dev prior .. here;s a basic proceudre i use http://rafb.net/p/uYOaQh70.html |
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| 19:21.31 | PeteB | enouf: thanks |
| 19:22.48 | dutchfish | here we go again, found another anoying bug in the 2.6.22-6 debian kernel (strike 2) ... darn |
| 19:23.51 | eleye | . |
| 19:24.00 | dutchfish | are there any tools to debug a kernel? or at least test it in a isolated way? i mean to track kernel oopses |
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| 19:24.58 | enouf | dutchfish: kgdb? |
| 19:25.00 | enouf | http://sourceforge.net/projects/kgdb |
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| 19:25.54 | dutchfish | enouf, i meant more like a debugger |
| 19:25.54 | enouf | same thing? http://kgdb.linsyssoft.com/intro.htm |
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| 19:26.16 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, thank you! |
| 19:26.27 | Eulex_ | kgdb is a debugger |
| 19:27.01 | dutchfish | Eulex_, yes, saw that just to late ;) thank you |
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| 19:29.10 | enouf | dutchfish: i know i've seen a ton or more settings in it's own section in the kernel menuconfig for things pertaining to it |
| 19:29.42 | enouf | (i mean for enabling debugging on certain devices/protocols/etc) |
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| 19:29.58 | johndbritton | what are the signs of bad RAM |
| 19:30.11 | enouf | memtest86+ failing or compiles too |
| 19:30.14 | amphi | random segfaults |
| 19:30.20 | enouf | better ;-) |
| 19:30.24 | johndbritton | im getting random segfaults |
| 19:30.26 | dutchfish | enouf, i am staring at it. Looks like it wont work (KGDB patch, patching a debian kernel source 2.6.22-6) |
| 19:30.28 | enouf | !sig11 |
| 19:30.29 | dpkg | it has been said that sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 19:30.36 | johndbritton | and my machine is crashing from time to time |
| 19:31.01 | johndbritton | all the software is from debian repos |
| 19:31.07 | enouf | dutchfish: hrm, i've patched a debian kernel, it all depends |
| 19:31.16 | johndbritton | and worked well for the past six/eight months |
| 19:31.22 | enouf | dutchfish: easiest to start with vanilla sure :-P |
| 19:31.25 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, up till 2.6.13 or so |
| 19:31.50 | enouf | !memtest86+ |
| 19:31.50 | dpkg | memtest is, like, http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn> |
| 19:31.52 | dutchfish | enouf, hehe, i am only intrested in tracking down this bug in etch's curent 2.6.22-6 |
| 19:32.06 | dutchfish | enouf, correction lenny |
| 19:32.30 | johndbritton | thanks for the info |
| 19:32.48 | enouf | well, without further info (or even with) i'm stumped :-P |
| 19:33.03 | dutchfish | enouf, np |
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| 19:33.16 | enouf | johndbritton: many livecds have memtest86+ as a boot option |
| 19:33.37 | johndbritton | the only access i have is via ssh, its in a remote datacenter |
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| 19:33.55 | maligor | hard to debug memory issues remotely |
| 19:33.57 | amphi | johndbritton: over-heating might be another possible cause |
| 19:34.00 | johndbritton | ooh |
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| 19:34.07 | johndbritton | amphi, didnt think about that |
| 19:34.10 | johndbritton | how could i check |
| 19:34.20 | amphi | johndbritton: acpi -t perhaps? |
| 19:34.39 | johndbritton | "thermal 1: ok, 55.0 degrees C" |
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| 19:35.07 | LoneWlf | bark at the moon |
| 19:35.14 | eleye | moo |
| 19:35.28 | amphi | johndbritton: that's nothing unreasonable |
| 19:35.35 | johndbritton | didnt think so |
| 19:35.48 | johndbritton | memtest it is |
| 19:36.18 | eleye | u not have console on remote datacenter box? |
| 19:36.18 | amphi | johndbritton: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM?/trip_points should show at what temp the safety cutout is |
| 19:36.20 | johndbritton | any other predictions? things like aptitude and munin are segfaulting |
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| 19:36.33 | johndbritton | eleye i have console access yes |
| 19:36.50 | amphi | johndbritton: aptitude always dies at the same point? |
| 19:37.04 | amphi | johndbritton: you could run it under gdb and see, perhaps |
| 19:37.05 | dutchfish | johndbritton, maybe a dying disk? |
| 19:37.06 | johndbritton | 127C |
| 19:37.18 | johndbritton | no, its sporadic |
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| 19:37.31 | johndbritton | and other apps are segfaulting too |
| 19:37.54 | amphi | johndbritton: that's what my laptop has as trippoint, seems very hot to me |
| 19:38.04 | johndbritton | yeah me too |
| 19:38.18 | enouf | someone just jarring up against it could do it - maybe just needs reseating of RAM and such .. just a possibility |
| 19:38.43 | johndbritton | all good ideas |
| 19:38.46 | johndbritton | thanks |
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| 19:40.51 | LoneWlf | back |
| 19:41.03 | vizzy | hi, why has the 64bit kernel always a company label AMD in its name when it is used for 64 bit in general? |
| 19:41.35 | eleye | wb lonewlf |
| 19:41.44 | vizzy | i remember a time when debian stripped words like 'coca cola' out of the dictionairies... but today everbody gets adverts for AMD while booting :)) muahahaha |
| 19:41.45 | abrotman | vizzy: just the decision that was made long ago |
| 19:42.09 | streuner | hm |
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| 19:43.50 | vizzy | AMD really sucks, i need a new kernel, better i make my own with a legal name :) |
| 19:44.08 | vizzy | i really wonder about that. |
| 19:44.23 | abrotman | vizzy: do you have a debian question? |
| 19:44.41 | vizzy | this IS a debian uestion |
| 19:44.59 | maligor | vizzy, it was designed by AMD. |
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| 19:45.31 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 19:45.42 | vizzy | designed by AMD? what, debian? 64bit? my kernel? i dont think so |
| 19:46.00 | maligor | Baseless inflammatory offtopic accusations are not for this channel anyways |
| 19:46.09 | maligor | the 64bit architechture you use |
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| 19:46.44 | vizzy | so, i really had problem s to explain my boss why he bought intel proc, and now it runs on amd |
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| 19:47.31 | vizzy | and, 64 bit is NOT designed by amd, i remember my old sun which had 64bit, when amd was thinking about how to get 32 bits, lol |
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| 19:47.52 | maligor | ... |
| 19:47.52 | abrotman | yeah .. it's sunday |
| 19:48.00 | vizzy | anway, i think i have to compile my neverupgradable own lkernel, to get rid of this adverts |
| 19:48.15 | abrotman | vizzy: good luck.. now be on your way |
| 19:48.25 | maligor | vizzy, that statement makes me think you're rather clueless about it |
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| 19:49.03 | vizzy | no, i dont like to have AMD on my kernel name, so btw i had to explain it to my boss why he bought big intel cpus and then i install a amd kernel |
| 19:49.13 | abrotman | vizzy: this is not a Debian question |
| 19:49.23 | vizzy | omg |
| 19:49.27 | abrotman | JNTJFE!! |
| 19:49.51 | eleye | did you get fired because you didn't know how to explain? |
| 19:49.57 | vizzy | oh, can you please explain imn real words? |
| 19:50.02 | abrotman | FEHJHFHEEEE! |
| 19:50.15 | vizzy | no, i didnt get firedm but i had to explain something i dont really understand |
| 19:50.20 | abrotman | obviously |
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| 19:50.24 | vizzy | abrotman, need your pills? |
| 19:50.34 | abrotman | need a clue? |
| 19:51.06 | vizzy | so maybe someone could explain this to me so i can explain it to other people who are fucked up because they have intel, and get an amd kernel.... |
| 19:51.09 | dutchfish | enouf, at east this has been fixed: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20080216T121715Z.html |
| 19:51.17 | maligor | why does your boss need to see the kernel version string anyway |
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| 19:51.41 | dutchfish | s/east/least |
| 19:51.53 | vizzy | maligor, do you expect some answer here? so , he is the boss, he pays for it |
| 19:52.11 | maligor | did he pay for debian also? |
| 19:52.14 | enouf | vizzy: look up where 64bit extensions came from, mwahaha |
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| 19:52.36 | maligor | yeah, amd64 is the best thing to happen to x86 arch since i386 |
| 19:52.51 | vizzy | maligor, indeed, we bought a lot of fan articles |
| 19:52.54 | abrotman | since the math co-processor ? |
| 19:53.01 | vizzy | can i pay for debian? |
| 19:53.01 | MauL^ | I have debian installed. I have another partition where I will install windows. But I dont want my boot manager to be lost. what should I do |
| 19:53.14 | abrotman | MauL^: install windows first, debian second |
| 19:53.24 | enouf | dutchfish: that was atleast a month ago |
| 19:53.24 | MauL^ | abrotman, I have already debian installed. |
| 19:53.26 | abrotman | MauL^: or keep a boot floppy/cd handy .. boot into debian and reinstall grub |
| 19:53.38 | maligor | MauL^, you can recover the bootmanager pretty easily |
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| 19:53.45 | maligor | wiindows will overwrite it. |
| 19:53.51 | dutchfish | enouf, sorry, yes ... i must be getting tired |
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| 19:54.05 | enouf | more calamari! ;-) |
| 19:54.19 | dutchfish | enouf, still, those mem leaks are in |
| 19:54.21 | maligor | if you have the debian install cd you can boot it with the 'rescue' option, it'll automagically put you in a chrooted rood terminal on the system |
| 19:54.22 | Cayn | maligor: Windows doesn't overwrite the boot manager, it overwrites the mbr |
| 19:54.40 | dutchfish | enouf, gona check this out to the bottom, cya |
| 19:54.53 | amphi | enouf: yum ;) |
| 19:54.59 | enouf | dutchfish: you never shared the bugs you mentioned ;-) |
| 19:55.13 | enouf | !customer |
| 19:55.13 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 19:55.22 | maligor | Cayn, ok, so it overwrites the boot manager loader code, happy now? |
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| 19:56.22 | enouf | heh |
| 19:56.56 | Cayn | I'm always happy |
| 19:57.08 | enouf | windows installs always break things ;-) |
| 19:57.16 | maligor | How do you realize you're happy if you have no states of non-happiness? |
| 19:57.43 | abrotman | you can still have the concept |
| 19:57.44 | LoneWlf | The world around you |
| 19:57.48 | LoneWlf | monkey see |
| 19:57.51 | LoneWlf | monkey NO DO |
| 19:57.56 | enouf | not to mention if you do NOT set it up correctly from the getgo, (trying to) booting it from a logical partition will fail |
| 19:57.56 | maligor | happiness is abstract |
| 19:58.02 | enouf | otherwise it can be done |
| 19:58.11 | enouf | but who cares anyways :-P |
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| 19:59.48 | maligor | MauL^, if your bios supports booting from usb devices, installing the loader on a usb flash stick might work too |
| 20:00.28 | maligor | I don't really think there's any way to stop windows from overwriting it |
| 20:00.29 | MauL^ | maligor, I will try to have a floppy startup disk |
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| 20:00.36 | MauL^ | although I dont know how |
| 20:00.42 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 20:00.42 | dpkg | from memory, grub floppy image is http://packages.debian.org/grub-disk, or http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Creating-a-GRUB-boot-floppy.html, or ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 20:00.44 | enouf | speaking of which - anyone ever mount a SBM floppy? O_o |
| 20:01.08 | Cayn | I can't remember the last time I used a floppy =X |
| 20:01.23 | maligor | yeah, I'm a usb flash stick man now |
| 20:01.34 | maligor | Even have a freedos-on-a-stick for flashing bios |
| 20:01.58 | enouf | # mke2fs /dev/fd0 ; mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt ; grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/fd0 ; umount /mnt |
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| 20:02.36 | soczol | uhm, not totally debian related; but how do you specify where the box can find its kernel modules? |
| 20:02.56 | enouf | soczol: specify? depmod -a |
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| 20:03.14 | enouf | soczol: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
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| 20:03.43 | soczol | i know that, but for some weird reason my kernel is trying to load modules from an old kernel |
| 20:03.49 | maligor | depmod -b |
| 20:03.59 | maligor | depmod -b /where/the/modules/are |
| 20:04.11 | enouf | you're kernel install went wrong ;-) |
| 20:04.33 | enouf | and is (a cp of) your new system.map in /boot? |
| 20:04.33 | maligor | that's what the depmod manual page says |
| 20:05.06 | soczol | mhm; just noticed uname -r gives the wrong name too |
| 20:05.07 | enouf | hence, make-kpkg \o/ |
| 20:05.11 | soczol | will try a complete recompile |
| 20:05.11 | soczol | ;d |
| 20:05.13 | enouf | bingo |
| 20:05.14 | maligor | heh |
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| 20:09.14 | vvd | anyone knows if pykota works with raw-printers? |
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| 20:11.14 | ohcibi | hi folks... why cant i watch flash-movies smooth? i have enough bandwidth but neverthelesse the movies are not smooth |
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| 20:11.52 | szymon_g | ekhm, could anyone tell me why i get this error? http://www.wklej.org/id/919c48542f |
| 20:12.07 | szymon_g | or, what should i do to compile this driver :? |
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| 20:15.28 | Slidey | anyone setup an iscsi initiator in debian ? |
| 20:16.22 | Slidey | im looking at some howtos online, and they say it that if i do -m discovery, it should return a sid, but when i do it it doesnt work |
| 20:16.33 | Slidey | s/work/show a sid |
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| 20:21.35 | Soskel | can two people be logged into ssh at the same time, on the same account? |
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| 20:22.02 | zzz | Soskel: As far as I know, there is no restriction on that. Bash's history can get messed up somehow though... |
| 20:22.19 | Soskel | alright, thanks |
| 20:22.20 | Decepticon | why cant i switch away from my X desktop, from virtual terminal 7 to, say, virtual terminal 1 (where a text login prompt is visible), and use VNC at the same time? (if i leave it on virutal terminal 1 with the login prompt and try to VNC, VNC does nothing, takes no actions)... on the other hand, if i leave it on virtual terminal 7, with my desktop showing on the monitor, VNC works fine. Why must i show everyone who may be around my moni |
| 20:22.36 | Decepticon | Why must i show everyone who may be around my monitor at the time what i am doing from a remote location via VNC? |
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| 20:23.02 | Soskel | where is the bash history file? |
| 20:23.18 | azeem | Soskel: in your home directory |
| 20:23.25 | Soskel | thanks |
| 20:23.33 | azeem | most bash files start with ~/.bash |
| 20:23.35 | Soskel | it's .bash_history? |
| 20:23.50 | azeem | Soskel: did you try to figure out the answer to this question yourself? |
| 20:24.03 | Soskel | ? |
| 20:24.05 | tacit | Decepticon: You seem to have the misconception that you need X or VNC running when you want to run X application on that host. |
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| 20:24.36 | Decepticon | tacit, i want to run X apps on that machine, i want to view them remotely though |
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| 20:25.18 | enouf | Slidey: look at the scsitools and sg3-utils pkgs perhaps? |
| 20:25.19 | Decepticon | i just dont want anyone else near the machine to see them as if they were standing behind my shoulder |
| 20:25.23 | zzz | Soskel: Yes. |
| 20:25.37 | Soskel | thanks |
| 20:25.41 | zzz | Soskel: If you type "history" the first time you log in, you can see its contents. |
| 20:25.58 | tacit | Decepticon: Okay, hmm I thinkt that's just the concept of VNC. |
| 20:26.02 | Soskel | thx |
| 20:26.08 | enouf | Slidey: udevtrigger can help with cold plug, and so can hotswap pkg for IDE devices |
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| 20:27.03 | vaq | I'm following the Linux virtual server documentation at http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/VS-DRouting.html - However my two realservers don't have the file: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/hidden - The realservers are a default 4.0 etch setup with 2.6.18 kernel |
| 20:27.08 | Decepticon | tacit so what would be a adequate workaround for my requirements? (be able to run X apps on the remote machine, no person near the remote machine can see such X apps on the remote monitor, and I can see those X apps remotely via VNC or any other mechanism) |
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| 20:28.09 | tacit | Decepticon: Does it need to be the same instance of the application? |
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| 20:29.07 | Decepticon | tacit, do you mean i want to see the same X app running on the remote machine, via VNC? (all while nothing shows up on the remote monitor), then yes |
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| 20:31.04 | phorce1 | Decepticon: stop using VNC and use an X server like NX. VNC was originally built to be a remote desktop operation app for winblows and it stuck to those roots when ported to Linux. |
| 20:31.48 | Decepticon | hmm, thanks |
| 20:32.05 | vaq | I'm following the Linux virtual server documentation at http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/VS-DRouting.html - However my two realservers don't have the file: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/hidden - Do I need to enable some kind of module in the kernel first? - The realservers are a default 4.0 etch setup with 2.6.18 kernel |
| 20:32.30 | LoneWlf | is there a switch to only have apt-get prompt you prior to uninstalling things? |
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| 20:33.16 | phorce1 | Decepticon: apt-cache search nxs ----- then, if the remote client is a winblows box google for "windows nx client" |
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| 20:34.28 | harmattan | is away: Estoy ocupado |
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| 20:38.47 | phorce1 | !tell vaq about repeat |
| 20:39.09 | LoneWlf | I remember back in the day... I had voice :) |
| 20:39.15 | LoneWlf | ack... so long ago |
| 20:39.35 | vaq | phorce1 if you read the line you'll se they differ |
| 20:39.35 | LoneWlf | I don't know anything worth voicing me for now adays... |
| 20:39.38 | phorce1 | vaq: if you don't get an answer give it at least an hour to allow time for some channel member shuffle before you ask again |
| 20:39.45 | LoneWlf | probably don't even speak the current lingo |
| 20:39.50 | LoneWlf | but I _can_ troubleshoot |
| 20:39.51 | LoneWlf | boooya |
| 20:39.52 | phorce1 | vaq: not significantly |
| 20:41.08 | LoneWlf | wonders what the other side of this conversation looks like |
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| 20:41.35 | LoneWlf | is vaq practicing the forgotten/forbidden art of msg? |
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| 20:42.27 | phorce1 | LoneWlf: no -- all open. And /me does not have voice. |
| 20:43.20 | LoneWlf | hmmm |
| 20:43.23 | phorce1 | LoneWlf: only the /msg from the bot was not displayed in the open channel. |
| 20:43.28 | Slidey | iscsiadm -m discovery -t sendtargets -p 192.168.0.1:3260 |
| 20:43.29 | Slidey | 192.168.0.1:3260,1 iqn.2008-03.com.test:storage.lvm |
| 20:43.38 | phorce1 | Here, you can see it |
| 20:43.45 | phorce1 | !tell LoneWlf about repeat |
| 20:43.47 | Slidey | i get in dmesg: |
| 20:43.47 | Slidey | scsi2 : iSCSI Initiator over TCP/IP |
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| 20:43.58 | Slidey | but no sid anywhere |
| 20:44.00 | LoneWlf | phorce1: no worries |
| 20:44.09 | LoneWlf | Thanks for the clarification however... |
| 20:44.15 | LoneWlf | grins |
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| 20:45.53 | LoneWlf | That's a bit better... |
| 20:46.14 | phorce1 | LoneWlf: bot abuse is frowned upon so !tell can be used to show people bot factoids without cluttering up the open channel with lots of bot output. Just typing !repeat would have cause dpkg to spit out the /msg to the chanel |
| 20:47.01 | LoneWlf | phorce1: so begins my education in the new world of 'don't spam the channel' |
| 20:47.16 | LoneWlf | How else do we practice/enforce such in the current regime? |
| 20:47.20 | phorce1 | needs a keyboard with a lighter touch. missing letters on bad weather days |
| 20:47.42 | LoneWlf | phorce1 : sounds like you need a _new_ keyboard then |
| 20:47.51 | LoneWlf | The new ones are the lighter touch ones |
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| 20:48.24 | LoneWlf | or at least... the less dirt packed kinds |
| 20:48.25 | LoneWlf | :P |
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| 20:50.17 | phorce1 | actually, I'd like one of the old IBM clicky keyboards. Then I'd know when I missed a letter. Be nice if someone made one with a modern layout. |
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| 20:50.48 | MauL^ | I want to install windows in a partition but windows see whole my linux harddisk as a whole. |
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| 20:50.54 | fubu16 | hi all |
| 20:50.56 | Coweater | phorce1: modern layout? |
| 20:51.02 | fubu16 | can somebody help me configure my mailsystem? |
| 20:51.06 | abrotman | phorce1: you mean the windows key? |
| 20:51.12 | LoneWlf | LOL |
| 20:51.14 | fubu16 | my gforge is not sending e-mails |
| 20:51.18 | LoneWlf | I miss the old 102 key k/b |
| 20:51.34 | LoneWlf | gforge... me know nuffin bout no gforge |
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| 20:52.00 | phorce1 | Coweater: full PC-105 layout with 10 key and the home/end/arrows block between the alphas and 10 key |
| 20:52.11 | fubu16 | ok |
| 20:52.25 | phorce1 | abrotman: and the windows key. Nice having an extra "alt" style key |
| 20:52.26 | abrotman | phorce1: they make them .. ebay |
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| 20:52.29 | fubu16 | it´s working with exim4 |
| 20:52.59 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 20:53.50 | FFEMTcJ | what do I need to install for ld-linux.so.2? |
| 20:54.00 | abrotman | !tell FFEMTcJ about search |
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| 20:55.38 | FFEMTcJ | abrotman: a search for ld-linux.so.2 comes back with nothing.. thats why I asked. |
| 20:56.01 | abrotman | FFEMTcJ: which version of debian are you running? |
| 20:56.09 | FFEMTcJ | etch |
| 20:56.15 | abrotman | !find ld-linux.so.2 etch |
| 20:56.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ld-linux.so.2' (4): (/lib/ld-linux.so.2) in libs/libc6 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/ld-linux.so.2) in libdevel/libc6-dbg ;; (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/ld-linux.so.2) in libs/libc6-i686,libs/libc6-xen ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/lib/ld-linux.so.2) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
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| 20:57.53 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 20:58.16 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know an video cutting software which offers the same features as kdenlive, but is more stable? |
| 20:58.26 | HardDisk_WP | kdenlive is unusable, it crashes way too often |
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| 20:59.17 | phorce1 | abrotman: Ya know, I don't think I ever searched ebay actually using the word "clicky" and other searches using "keyboard" returned too many useless items to dig through manually. Thanks. |
| 20:59.25 | abrotman | m20 |
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| 21:00.29 | eleye | which chat is that? |
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| 21:01.04 | vlt | Hello. Any idea where to ask a memtest86+ question? |
| 21:01.22 | eleye | #memtest86+ |
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| 21:01.47 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: kino? cinelera ? |
| 21:02.03 | HardDisk_WP | hm... |
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| 21:04.25 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, hmm...kino looks good, yet it's GNOME and suffers from the fucked file open dialogue :( |
| 21:05.08 | abrotman | it is ? |
| 21:05.12 | abrotman | !depends kino etch |
| 21:05.15 | dpkg | kino: depends on liba52-0.7.4, libasound2 (>> 1.0.12), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libavc1394-0 (>= 0.5.3), libavcodec0d (>= 0.cvs20060823), libavformat0d (>= 0.cvs20060823), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdc1394-13, libdv4, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgsm1 (>= 1.0.10), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libiec61883-0 (>= 1.1.0), libogg0 (>= 1.1.3), ... |
| 21:05.26 | abrotman | oh .. it is |
| 21:06.11 | Eulex_ | what's wrong with gtk's open/save dialogs? |
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| 21:06.46 | HardDisk_WP | it simply sucks by design...seriously...why can't I just have the normal KDE dialog? |
| 21:07.12 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: then fix it .. whining here doesn't help |
| 21:07.28 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, do I look like a gnome coder? :p |
| 21:07.35 | HardDisk_WP | well, I think I'll use cinelerra |
| 21:07.37 | abrotman | see the second part |
| 21:07.38 | Eulex_ | you don't have to be a gnome coder |
| 21:07.43 | pipeline | HardDisk_WP: Do you want the serious answer to that, or the one that won't get me banned from the channel? |
| 21:07.47 | Eulex_ | only a gtk coder |
| 21:07.47 | amphi | never had a problem with gtk file dialogs |
| 21:07.57 | abrotman | neither have i .. but whatever |
| 21:08.06 | HardDisk_WP | pipeline, lol |
| 21:08.16 | pipeline | now that bonobo is "deprecated", there's not really such a thing as a gnome coder anyway ;) |
| 21:08.34 | pipeline | the gnu network object model environment: now lacking in networking, objects, modelling, and an environment! :D |
| 21:08.56 | mquin | heh |
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| 21:09.18 | Eulex_ | well, they didn't have filter by filenames before, but they do have now for the apps that choose to use it. that was about my only gripe with it. |
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| 21:09.21 | enouf | Decepticon: i've heard ppl using nx / nomachine, (no idea if those are even the same thing, or just variations) |
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| 21:11.19 | johndbritton | ok, the DC ran a memtest, they say it passed... they also removed and reseated the memory... im still getting segfaults |
| 21:11.34 | Eulex_ | from what? |
| 21:11.55 | johndbritton | Eulex_: aptitude |
| 21:12.03 | Eulex_ | always when running it? |
| 21:12.20 | johndbritton | sometimes |
| 21:12.20 | Eulex_ | and nothing else? |
| 21:12.21 | enouf | johndbritton: you trust them? |
| 21:12.24 | jetscreamer | use a real package manager |
| 21:12.26 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 21:12.26 | dpkg | i guess dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/dselect-beginner/ Also ask me about <aptitude>. see <fix-unmet> |
| 21:12.31 | johndbritton | enouf: i dont know if i do |
| 21:12.49 | johndbritton | Eulex_: other things as well |
| 21:12.51 | enouf | johndbritton: you realize to reseat requires rebooting ;-) |
| 21:12.56 | johndbritton | yes |
| 21:12.58 | johndbritton | the machine was down |
| 21:13.01 | enouf | (atleast ;-)) |
| 21:13.04 | johndbritton | yeah |
| 21:13.16 | Eulex_ | johndbritton, ok, anything reproducible to completely random? |
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| 21:13.28 | enouf | watchout for bofh-ness :-P |
| 21:13.33 | johndbritton | Eulex_: open aptitude, press u |
| 21:13.34 | Eulex_ | s/to/or |
| 21:13.36 | johndbritton | it updates |
| 21:13.38 | johndbritton | press u |
| 21:13.42 | johndbritton | it updates |
| 21:13.45 | johndbritton | sometimes it segfaults |
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| 21:13.54 | enouf | johndbritton: exact errors at this point may help |
| 21:13.54 | zmitya | hi guys |
| 21:14.08 | zmitya | where can I find a sarge netinst cd image ? |
| 21:14.08 | johndbritton | Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. |
| 21:14.08 | johndbritton | Segmentation fault |
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| 21:14.53 | enouf | johndbritton: well, it is entirey possible the ram is bad - or .. have you done any major kernel changes/tweaking lately? |
| 21:15.11 | Eulex_ | zmitya, security support ends this month, run etch if you don't happen to have any really good reason to install sarge |
| 21:15.31 | johndbritton | enouf: this is a production machine, no changes... i started noticing some problems with rdiff backup |
| 21:15.33 | zmitya | I have a really good reason for using sarge :) |
| 21:15.34 | Eulex_ | zmitya, *security support for sarge |
| 21:15.41 | zmitya | Eulex_: I have a really good reason for using sarge :) |
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| 21:15.50 | Eulex_ | zmitya, which is? |
| 21:15.53 | johndbritton | it wasnt always completing the backup... then i wanted to add a monitor to it so i installed munin |
| 21:15.54 | xoqa | what's the difference between debian and ubuntu? |
| 21:15.55 | zmitya | a driver ? |
| 21:16.05 | johndbritton | then i noticed the problem with aptitude |
| 21:16.12 | xoqa | i know ubunbtu is based off debian |
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| 21:16.24 | Eulex_ | zmitya, even etch with an updated kernel wouldn't do? |
| 21:16.40 | johndbritton | and munin wont generate all the graphs, ive found that it segfaults too |
| 21:16.51 | zmitya | Eulex_: I have a special binary driver for sarge, for a special medical device |
| 21:16.54 | johndbritton | these are all standard packages from debian |
| 21:17.03 | zmitya | I will lost the support if I wont use the specified version |
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| 21:17.32 | zmitya | is it enough ? :) |
| 21:17.35 | Eulex_ | zmitya, oh. |
| 21:18.09 | zmitya | so do you have any idea wher can I find one ? |
| 21:18.15 | enouf | johndbritton: hrm, perhaps just that app munin is doing some bad things - only a mem trace with know how to decipher would help, IMHO, or just replace some DIMMs, see what happens, unfortunately that costs $$, but i always have parts that are interchangebale about, don't know about you - depends also who owns that thing? |
| 21:18.26 | zmitya | I'm downloading one, but it comes with 6k/sec :((( |
| 21:18.35 | zmitya | takes 4 hours to get it :( |
| 21:18.50 | enouf | johndbritton: last fsck was? |
| 21:19.13 | johndbritton | enouf: the aptitude and backup problems were happening before munin was installed |
| 21:19.28 | johndbritton | and the munin segfaults are random as well, sometimes it does other times it doesnt |
| 21:19.29 | johndbritton | checking |
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| 21:20.42 | Leitao | hi |
| 21:20.45 | enouf | test if you get errors runnign banchmarks, like bonnie++ (i/o intensive), cpuburn (less needed, imo) and such .. i mean to see if it might be HDD, or Controller related? |
| 21:20.50 | enouf | johndbritton: ^^^^ |
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| 21:21.35 | johndbritton | enouf, will do |
| 21:21.41 | johndbritton | thanks for the help |
| 21:21.48 | Leitao | anyone had experienced random crashes followed by an irritating long high pitch beep? |
| 21:21.49 | enouf | np |
| 21:22.12 | enouf | fsck too if possible johndbritton (especially if it's been a long time) |
| 21:22.35 | johndbritton | enouf, how can i check when the last one was... usually it tells you during reboot |
| 21:22.54 | enouf | well, /var/log/fsck/* johndbritton |
| 21:22.57 | enouf | and also see; |
| 21:23.01 | enouf | !bootlog |
| 21:23.01 | dpkg | bootlogd is, like, disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
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| 21:24.13 | johndbritton | !pastebin |
| 21:24.13 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 21:24.41 | johndbritton | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/g1R9VL78.html |
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| 21:27.19 | Leitao | help ... |
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| 21:27.58 | enouf | johndbritton: guess not the issue - it looks like you have plenty of space too |
| 21:28.15 | ben_ye | Leitao: if its a bios-beep you should check your hardware, especially the fans |
| 21:28.17 | faragelloo | hello everyone I managed to install dsl into my machine which I am so happy about but please i have some questions first how to get the arabic keyboard support nad to view files prewritten in Arabic? |
| 21:28.18 | johndbritton | the machine is hardly utilized |
| 21:28.26 | johndbritton | just running come VoIP software |
| 21:28.36 | johndbritton | some* |
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| 21:29.58 | Leitao | ben_ye: I have this problem in 2 different machines...... they work fine in mswin |
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| 21:30.59 | Leitao | ben_ye: I notice that this happens more after installing apache2 (among other programs) |
| 21:31.02 | jberg | what is the debian-update4 cd? If i already have etch? |
| 21:31.14 | enouf | johndbritton: sorry to say, i'm out of ideas really, unless another failing piece of hardware (even the mobo caps possibly) .. it's very hard to diagnose this, as you can tell especially from mine/our vantage point ;-) |
| 21:31.25 | johndbritton | yeah |
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| 21:31.51 | johndbritton | enouf: on a certainty scale of 1 to 10 how sure would you say it's hardware |
| 21:31.56 | ben_ye | Leitao: hm... no idea |
| 21:32.11 | enouf | johndbritton: with hardware, it's swap/replace one component at a time, so bring an extra 1 of everything with you should you go there ;-) |
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| 21:32.55 | jones_513 | is there a, hopefully easy, way to get nfs to work over eth0 and everything wlan0? |
| 21:33.06 | enouf | johndbritton: i'm thinking 80% or more, but again, it could be 20% .. exhaust all other possibilities if getting to it, and at it is a big PITA |
| 21:33.10 | johndbritton | enouf, boniee++ just segfaulted |
| 21:33.26 | abrotman | jones_513: rephrase? |
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| 21:34.03 | enouf | johndbritton: any RAID or LVM, hardware RAID controllers, etc? .. so basically everything is segfaulting? does anything not do it? |
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| 21:34.23 | Leitao | ben_ye: the problem is like this.. I don't have access to it directly now... but it is extremely slow when it starts to hang... if try to access it directly, typing on keyboard to type a command, like "reboot" it starts beeping and hangs |
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| 21:35.19 | jones_513 | abrotman, i just got nfs working, but over my wireless its really slow, i have an extra router and eth cords in my room so i was wondering if i could hook all that up and have nfs work over eth0 while the internet and whatnot still work as usual over wireless |
| 21:35.20 | neosix | hello! |
| 21:35.24 | zmitya | so guys, can sy share a sarge netinst iso ??? |
| 21:35.26 | Leitao | ben_ye: right now I'm unable to operate on it...even through ssh..... |
| 21:35.49 | johndbritton | enouf: no raid or lvm |
| 21:35.50 | abrotman | jones_513: maybe ask #iptables .. see netfilter.org or lartc.or |
| 21:35.52 | abrotman | jones_513: maybe ask #iptables .. see netfilter.org or lartc.org |
| 21:35.59 | zmitya | ir can sy find one somewhere ? cant beleive that I cant find it :( |
| 21:36.13 | jones_513 | abrotman, ok, thanks |
| 21:36.18 | johndbritton | enouf: some things don't segfault, but i feel like they would if they ran long enough |
| 21:36.24 | johndbritton | give me an app i should try |
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| 21:36.56 | abrotman | zmitya: ftp.ch.debian.org |
| 21:37.02 | johndbritton | apache isn't crashing |
| 21:37.11 | johndbritton | asterisk has been running fine |
| 21:37.32 | ben_ye | Leitao: full stall i guess. |
| 21:37.50 | Leitao | what causes that?? |
| 21:38.01 | Leitao | how can that be fixed?? |
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| 21:38.07 | ben_ye | Leitao: not enough information, sorry |
| 21:38.12 | zmitya | abrotman: thanks !!!!!!!! |
| 21:38.19 | zmitya | got it |
| 21:38.29 | Leitao | I'm connected to it now....... but is so slow it hurts... |
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| 21:39.07 | ben_ye | Leitao: what's the load of the systems? |
| 21:39.28 | Leitao | moonlight:~# uptime |
| 21:39.28 | Leitao | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.39 | faragelloo | Finally I was able to install dsl on my hard disk congratulate me I am so happy for that |
| 21:39.40 | faragelloo | <faragelloo> the question is how to get the arabic language support? |
| 21:40.21 | ben_ye | Leitao: well so it's at least not the previously installed apache suffering a slashdot-dos *g* |
| 21:41.01 | Leitao | ben_ye: apache is working... or kind of ... |
| 21:41.27 | enouf | johndbritton: odd, i'm out of ideas, watch top/htop and/or vmstat 2 maybe? try to come up with a reproducible scenario - apologies that i can't think of much more right now |
| 21:41.49 | johndbritton | enouf: thanks for your help so far |
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| 21:41.55 | johndbritton | ill keep trying |
| 21:41.56 | enouf | np |
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| 21:46.58 | HopsNBarley | hi gang - i'm trying to autoinstall a box that has a via82Cxx ATA chip. the "detecting disks" phase of the install doesn't see any disks. Do i have to make the appropriate udeb myself and include it in my http /debian tree? thanks. |
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| 21:49.43 | Soskel | anyone here a systems administrator>? |
| 21:49.45 | rebelion | helllo! |
| 21:50.04 | Soskel | jelly-home: hey, you around? |
| 21:50.05 | streuner | Soskel: everyone who have root is one :-) |
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| 21:50.40 | enouf | HopsNBarley: might want to pass the generic.all_generic_ide=1 boot param (not sure) |
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| 21:51.18 | rebelion | Quick question: I have a 64bit processor! are there any real advantages in installing amd64 port? I am purely a desktop user! |
| 21:51.27 | abrotman | no |
| 21:52.09 | enouf | HopsNBarley: another option is make sure AHCI is enabled in BIOS, or raid is selected if only choices are raid / ide for ide/sata devices |
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| 21:54.28 | HopsNBarley | enouf, thanks for the tips. |
| 21:55.10 | HopsNBarley | so far, i'm really liking the installer. (-; |
| 21:55.22 | enouf | HopsNBarley: np |
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| 21:55.48 | faragelloo | I installed damnsmalllinux as it probed all my hardware correctly unlike Fedora and ubuntu the guys in their channel are so silent can u help me with the arabic language support? |
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| 21:56.57 | streuner | faragelloo: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:57.34 | faragelloo | do i run this command? |
| 21:58.03 | faragelloo | I am still in windows will u wait a min till i revert to linux and get to u? |
| 21:58.18 | faragelloo | please! |
| 21:58.20 | RyanRyan52 | How do I crack passwords? (I'm not trying to do something evil...the other day I was talking to someone and they said that all sysadmins should crack their users passwords and tell them if its too simple) |
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| 21:58.24 | xoqa | ubuntu has kdegame deb/package, is this what debian offers, or does the user download invidivual games? |
| 21:58.58 | abrotman | xoqa: apt-cache --names-only search games |
| 21:59.01 | xoqa | what i want is to be able to download maybe the entire package.. and then delete each game i don't want |
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| 21:59.17 | petemc | RyanRyan52: theres a package to test for weak password, john |
| 21:59.32 | RyanRyan52 | thanks |
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| 22:01.25 | xoqa | abrotman: ah |
| 22:02.05 | soczol | I'm occasionaly getting 'corruption' errors when using apt-get, non-reproducible: http://pastie.caboo.se/166495; got the same kind of errors from debootstrap earlier, what would cause this? I already ran memtest86+, found no errors, raid controller is showing no errors, smartctl checks are showing no errors |
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| 22:04.45 | jescis | what's a good place to learn how-To get a /dev/fb0? |
| 22:05.07 | abrotman | !fb |
| 22:05.07 | dpkg | fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies?, or framebuffer (a graphicsmode (in terms of vga video memory addressing) for text), or fluxbox |
| 22:05.13 | abrotman | !framebuffer |
| 22:05.13 | dpkg | from memory, framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
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| 22:07.28 | jescis | I was searching google. But I can't seem to see one that will help. :( |
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| 22:10.10 | jescis | and every time I try to run links2 graphically I get /dev/fb0 not being found. And when I go to the dev directory it isn't there except for the plain fb :/ |
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| 22:11.04 | Decepticon | what video card would you guys recommend for the purpose of outputting to a TV with s-video (for wathcing movies, primarily) |
| 22:11.23 | Decepticon | a videocard that debian likes |
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| 22:12.20 | abrotman | old radeon ? |
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| 22:12.44 | petemc | nvidia svideo out has always worked for me |
| 22:12.55 | enouf | jescis: $ ls -l /dev/fb0 |
| 22:12.55 | enouf | crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 2008-01-21 16:35 /dev/fb0 |
| 22:12.55 | Decepticon | cool, i will look into it |
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| 22:13.27 | HopsNBarley | enouf, the plot thickens.... I've got an identical box installed by predecessor that boots fine, same bios, and has a via82cxxx module installed. so the question is, how do I get this into my CD image for local autoinstall? |
| 22:13.28 | jescis | I have a GeForce FX 5200 myself. |
| 22:14.00 | enouf | jescis: fb0 is the default device you see the capture screenshots, it's similar to tty0 as well in that sense |
| 22:14.03 | Decepticon | i thought nvida was not that much supported? |
| 22:14.16 | jescis | enouf: if I do that I'd get no such file or directory |
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| 22:14.34 | enouf | johndbritton: before i forget, smartmontools might also be worth a look (smartctl) |
| 22:14.56 | enouf | jescis: you're using nvidia 3D driver? |
| 22:15.16 | jescis | the new one? |
| 22:15.19 | petemc | Decepticon: they can generally easily enough be made to work, tho you have to use a non free binary driver |
| 22:15.26 | jescis | yes |
| 22:15.35 | enouf | new one what? |
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| 22:15.50 | soczol | could a crappy network cable be causing these corruption issues i'm experiencing? is there any way you can test this? |
| 22:15.52 | jescis | ran envy -_- |
| 22:15.54 | enouf | that impies and old one |
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| 22:16.01 | enouf | so, old what? |
| 22:16.10 | enouf | oh dear |
| 22:16.14 | Decepticon | ive never dealt with installing hardware on linux, on windows you have to find drivers and such and install them, what would you do in a linux situation in order to end up with working hardware, after plugging it in? |
| 22:16.22 | Cleo | /bin/sh: cant' access tty; job controm turned off |
| 22:16.45 | enouf | jescis: for all i know, even a debian or nividia .run file might remove it for whatever reasons, i don;t use that crap |
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| 22:16.59 | jescis | But this happened since I've installed debian |
| 22:17.05 | enouf | stop |
| 22:17.25 | enouf | HopsNBarley: what's predecessor mean there? |
| 22:17.42 | petemc | Decepticon: you might want to read one of the many how tos and pieces of documentation you can find on the net, irc is more for filling in the blanks when you get stuck |
| 22:18.04 | enouf | HopsNBarley: make an initrd with that module in it - make sure it has your / FS support too - and whatever else |
| 22:18.05 | HopsNBarley | person who had the job before me |
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| 22:18.43 | enouf | HopsNBarley: what exactly do you mean autoinstall? do you mean preseed? |
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| 22:19.05 | Cleo | when i try to boot with bedian i have this /bin/sh: cant' access tty; job controm turned off |
| 22:19.08 | smxy | When creating apt packages, what is the proper architecture to specify for non-binary packages or just data files? |
| 22:19.12 | Cleo | any one can help plz |
| 22:19.17 | enouf | is that other identical box running Debian Etch? |
| 22:19.20 | smxy | of* just data files |
| 22:19.21 | Flimqy | Is there an easy way to build a debian package from an svn repository, without all of the extra .svn files getting in the way? |
| 22:19.21 | jescis | before I did anythingedid you hear me? |
| 22:19.48 | HopsNBarley | enouf, well, i'm doing both, right? i've got a preseed file that works pretty good, but i can see the disks at this point. hence, stuck. |
| 22:19.53 | jescis | enouf: did you hear me? |
| 22:20.00 | enouf | Decepticon: kernel modules, /msg dpkg which driver |
| 22:20.14 | scruffy | I run a bind9 server out on the intertubes, and I'd like to be able to automatically update a DNS record to reflect my dynamic IP address here. I've seen free services out there to do this, but is there a tool out there that will allow me to do this with my own set up and my own domain? |
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| 22:20.39 | scruffy | or will I have to roll it myself? |
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| 22:20.47 | enouf | jescis: cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV ? |
| 22:20.51 | HopsNBarley | enouf, is playing several boards right now (-; thanks - lemme look into fixing my initrd. that's clearly the better way to fix this. |
| 22:20.57 | enouf | jescis: cd /dev; sh ./MAKEDEV ? |
| 22:21.19 | jescis | ah ok |
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| 22:21.48 | HopsNBarley | Cleo, this might be the wrong path to your console in /etc/inittab |
| 22:21.52 | smxy | When creating apt packages, what is the proper architecture to specify for non-binary packages of just data files? |
| 22:21.56 | enouf | HopsNBarley: the next best place for boot up modules is /etc/modules, but for an installer? ask the installer folks maybe |
| 22:22.39 | Cleo | HopsNBarley what i should do now? |
| 22:22.48 | petemc | smxy: /msg dpkg mentors |
| 22:23.03 | HopsNBarley | Cleo, can you log in? |
| 22:23.43 | smxy | You couldn't just tell me the arch type? :) |
| 22:23.53 | petemc | it would appear no one knows |
| 22:24.39 | Cleo | HopsNBarley no |
| 22:25.02 | Cleo | HopsNBarley no, and i don't have cd-rom lecture to boot with any live cd |
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| 22:26.13 | HopsNBarley | i've had this problem before (it did not prevent me from logging in) and was because i had "console" instead of "ttyS0" in my inittab. Of course, your mileage may vary on what your serial port is named. hope this is helpful down the road. |
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| 22:28.54 | wakrelmix | zedas: hi Z |
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| 22:31.12 | neosix | can anybody tell me how can I remove trash from desktop in KDE? |
| 22:31.19 | abrotman | right click and empty trash ? |
| 22:31.30 | neosix | no I mean icon |
| 22:31.51 | abrotman | ask #kde |
| 22:31.55 | petemc | ls -la ~/Desktop |
| 22:32.02 | neosix | OK |
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| 22:33.07 | petemc | i dont use kde, but im assuming the icons do have deletable file representations |
| 22:33.46 | neosix | I solved the problem |
| 22:34.00 | neosix | on #kde |
| 22:34.13 | petemc | fantastic then |
| 22:34.17 | neosix | :) |
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| 22:35.37 | zeitsofas | wünscht allen eine gute nacht | good night @ all |
| 22:36.09 | petemc | abrotman: how many cheesesteaks have you eaten today? |
| 22:37.31 | abrotman | petemc: none .. i had eggs :) |
| 22:37.47 | petemc | nice |
| 22:37.58 | petemc | deviled? |
| 22:38.31 | petemc | do people from nj eat deviled eggs to support the team? |
| 22:39.25 | petemc | is it cliched that it st patricks day and im drunk on the internet |
| 22:39.36 | petemc | shuts down the laptop |
| 22:39.40 | abrotman | petemc: i'm not from NJ .. but i would say it's possible :) |
| 22:39.51 | petemc | oh, i thought you were? |
| 22:39.56 | abrotman | petemc: though i was in NJ this morning at cape may |
| 22:40.30 | abrotman | petemc: i live on the sensible side of the delaware :) |
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| 22:40.39 | petemc | ah |
| 22:40.59 | abrotman | kind of sad i was in cape may .. and ate no crabs .. |
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| 22:41.18 | petemc | did you not have your crab hammer with you? |
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| 22:42.27 | abrotman | petemc: nah .. my friend's house should have a few |
| 22:42.47 | petemc | handy enough |
| 22:43.20 | abrotman | petemc: i suppose .. but since i didn't eat any crabs .. unneeded |
| 22:43.45 | petemc | did you sit on any cake? |
| 22:44.11 | abrotman | no .. i sat at a slot machine .. for about two minutes ... |
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| 22:45.38 | antum | Hi, I'm running a debian server trying to check if a port is open on my home machine (it's a mac), it is supposed to be open but I can't telnet to it. Any other ideas of how I can get a connection? |
| 22:46.06 | abrotman | if you can't telnet to it .. that's a big problem |
| 22:46.23 | kantor | hi, how can I make me ATA hard drive to be seen like a SCSI drive via the sg driver (instead of hda to be sda) ? |
| 22:48.16 | Cleo | i want to paste one image |
| 22:48.32 | Cleo | any one can give me a web site that can i paste image there |
| 22:49.28 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:49.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:50.02 | Cleo | thanks |
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| 22:50.18 | anarchat | what does the d-i "expert" option do exactly? |
| 22:50.31 | abrotman | !ig |
| 22:50.31 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 22:51.16 | anarchat | thanks |
| 22:51.55 | Cleo | abrotman when i try to boot with bedian i have this /bin/sh: cant' access tty; job controm turned off |
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| 22:56.30 | antum | abrotman is telnet a good tool to check if a port is open? |
| 22:57.36 | abrotman | is it tcp ? |
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| 22:57.59 | antum | yes, althought the manual hasn't specified whether it is or not... |
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| 23:03.27 | Tar-Get | hi, does someone know how to remove all .svn folders in a directory? |
| 23:03.39 | Tar-Get | and in all subdirectories |
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| 23:04.09 | abrotman | man rm |
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| 23:04.17 | portwolf | hey there ppl |
| 23:04.40 | MoDaX | Tar-Get: find -name .svn -print0 | xargs -0 rm -rf |
| 23:04.53 | Tar-Get | thanks :) |
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| 23:05.19 | portwolf | need some help, i've got a file called --Smallville Complete Season 1-- but i cant either enter it or rename it because of those '--' i tried to rename the directroy but even that doesnt work.. what should i do? |
| 23:05.49 | MoDaX | portwolf: what do you use to rename? |
| 23:05.56 | abrotman | portwolf: quote it |
| 23:06.06 | Tar-Get | MoDaX: illegal option name |
| 23:06.09 | portwolf | mv |
| 23:06.30 | portwolf | mv --[tab] and the completion does the rest |
| 23:06.47 | portwolf | and then of course the name it should be renamed into |
| 23:07.02 | abrotman | portwolf: quote it |
| 23:07.11 | abrotman | rm -- "file" |
| 23:07.23 | MoDaX | Tar-Get: find . -name .svn -print0 | xargs -0 rm -rf |
| 23:07.40 | Sauvin | rm \-\-<tab> |
| 23:07.58 | Tar-Get | MoDaX: thanks mate ;) |
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| 23:08.50 | portwolf | http://nopaste.com/p/atOOlxiCY there you go |
| 23:09.52 | abrotman | rm -- "file" |
| 23:10.01 | abrotman | oh screw it .. learn how to pirate |
| 23:10.11 | MoDaX | portwolf: mv "--Smallville Complete Season 1--" smallville.s01 |
| 23:10.45 | MoDaX | portwolf: or use gui tool to rename |
| 23:11.59 | Tramp | MoDaX: No. What you (or Sauvin) suggest will not work. Quoting does not help. |
| 23:12.33 | portwolf | hmmm |
| 23:12.48 | Sauvin | It's worked for me, if the ONLY problem is the -- in the filename, but you have to backwhack -all- the shell metacharacters in the filename. |
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| 23:12.55 | Tramp | portwolf: See what abrot said. His solution is correct. |
| 23:13.18 | MoDaX | -- can be replaced by ?- :) |
| 23:13.42 | portwolf | abrotman: thx, but doesnt rm remove my files? |
| 23:13.46 | Sauvin | MoDaX, I completely forgot about that. |
| 23:13.56 | abrotman | portwolf: then use the same idea for whatever you're trying to do |
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| 23:14.18 | abrotman | Soskel: do NOT msg me |
| 23:14.32 | kantor | why is that the hdparm -I (get identify information) option fails to execute for SATA CD/DVD drives ? |
| 23:14.33 | Soskel | abrotman: why? |
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| 23:14.44 | Tramp | Sauvin: how should quoting worg here? the "--" will be digested (after the quoting) by rm as option. |
| 23:14.55 | dury | hi there all |
| 23:15.01 | abrotman | Soskel: because |
| 23:15.04 | abrotman | Soskel: /topic |
| 23:15.05 | MoDaX | kantor: because hdparm is for IDE/ATA |
| 23:15.05 | Soskel | ???? |
| 23:15.10 | dury | how do I setup XScreenSaver 4.24, 21-Oct-2005 as my default xscreensaver? |
| 23:15.18 | abrotman | Soskel: ask in the channel .. otherwise i probably don't care |
| 23:15.37 | Soskel | ...... |
| 23:15.57 | Xenguy | Soskel: the /topic says ".../msg bots NOT people" |
| 23:16.04 | kantor | MoDaX, yes, but with SATA hard drives it works, only with SATA CD/DVD optical devices |
| 23:16.07 | Soskel | that's soo stupdi |
| 23:16.25 | abrotman | Soskel: either ask me here .. or not at all |
| 23:16.43 | MoDaX | !info sdparm |
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| 23:16.44 | Xenguy | Soskel: it's a convention that was quite common before the unwashed hordes arrived ;-) |
| 23:16.48 | dpkg | sdparm: (Output and modify SCSI device parameters), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.02-1 (sid), Packaged size: 116 kB, Installed size: 372 kB |
| 23:17.09 | MoDaX | kantor: ^^^^ not sure about that one's capabilities |
| 23:18.11 | kantor | MoDaX, or maybe the SATA CD/DVD drives do not implement the identify data . . . I think I should ask Mark Lord . . . |
| 23:18.34 | dury | hey guys |
| 23:18.38 | jescis | enouf: I did sh ./MAKEDEV after cding to /dev and it came up "udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static//dev" |
| 23:19.02 | dury | someone could tell me please, how do I setup XScreenSaver 4.24, 21-Oct-2005 as my default xscreensaver? |
| 23:19.57 | MoDaX | dury: depends on your desktop environment. search in preferences/control center/etc... |
| 23:20.21 | dury | MoDax: gnome |
| 23:21.01 | MoDaX | dury: sorry. I'm not using gnome |
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| 23:21.50 | dury | MoDax: which one |
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| 23:22.02 | MoDaX | dury: kde |
| 23:22.52 | soczol | is it correct that /dev/shm is 'memory based'; e.g. no disk i/o involved? |
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| 23:25.00 | MoDaX | soczol: yes, it stands for shared memory |
| 23:25.17 | portwolf | hey iam building my ntfs-3g pkg right now |
| 23:25.55 | jescis | enouf: is that a good sign(the output)? |
| 23:26.15 | \amethyst | soczol: it might be paged out, so even though it's memory based there could be disk I/O |
| 23:27.21 | dury | MoDax: by default in 4.0r3 the XScreensaver is not 4.24, 21-Oct-2005 |
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| 23:28.33 | MoDaX | !info xscreensaver etch |
| 23:28.38 | dpkg | xscreensaver: (Automatic screensaver for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.24-5 (etch), Packaged size: 3804 kB, Installed size: 9932 kB |
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| 23:29.03 | abrotman | sure seems to be |
| 23:29.05 | soczol | \amethyst: yeah ok; but that should not be a problem: i'm trying to find out why I keep getting corrupted downloads; every time I download a file in /dev/shm its correct, when I download it on the disk (e.g. /) it's corrupted |
| 23:29.16 | MoDaX | dury: what's wrong? I can't follow you |
| 23:29.31 | damog | uploading xscreensaver 5.05-1 to unstable later tonight. |
| 23:29.45 | \amethyst | soczol: corrupted in the same way each time? |
| 23:29.56 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:29.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:30.24 | soczol | \amethyst: no; random - http://pastie.caboo.se/private/ifoqa0bdbvt2fpcyzkl60w |
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| 23:31.38 | codeblock | need some help. I have been using the internal monitor of an old all-in-one computer, and now I switched to an external 20" but my resolution is 1024x768 (i added 1680x1050 to modes in xorg.conf) and its still not in the list of resolutions.... 1024x768 on a 20" sucks :P |
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| 23:32.05 | E-bola | Can somebody help me with how i can use spamassasin and related packages from unstable on etch? |
| 23:32.15 | E-bola | i did something similar before but forgot how to set it up in apt |
| 23:32.32 | Soskel | can anyone here install imap, smtp, pop3 on my server? I'll pay |
| 23:32.38 | abrotman | E-bola: you may want volatile.debian.net .. if they have spamassassin |
| 23:32.41 | abrotman | Soskel: do NOT do that |
| 23:32.48 | marc7 | hey guys, recent changes to debian (4.0r2 and later) meant a preseeded netboot installation I was using wouldn't work anymore using an etch kernel, I had to update the netboot environment to either lenny or sid.... does anybody know enough about what I'm talking about to know whether or not I should be looking at a lenny or sid netinst CD image to preseed a box that doesn't have direct access to the netboot environment |
| 23:32.49 | Soskel | do what? |
| 23:32.50 | codeblock | anyone^ ? |
| 23:32.54 | abrotman | Soskel: http://www.us.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 23:33.15 | marc7 | or should the 4.0r3 CD's do the trick |
| 23:33.17 | abrotman | Soskel: do not ask random people on IRC to do stuff on your servers |
| 23:33.19 | Soskel | I need someone now |
| 23:33.27 | E-bola | abrotman: thanks i already got volatile, its not new enough |
| 23:33.27 | codeblock | can anyone help me with my resolution problem above^ ? |
| 23:33.31 | abrotman | Soskel: hire a local admin |
| 23:33.33 | Soskel | abrotman: that's why I pmed you,,,, |
| 23:33.38 | E-bola | for things like spam fighting you often need the newest |
| 23:33.39 | abrotman | Soskel: i don't care .. i already have a job |
| 23:33.47 | E-bola | i think i can use something called apt pinning? |
| 23:34.59 | abrotman | E-bola: not recommended |
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| 23:35.03 | soczol | \amethyst: would you agree that the disk is corrupting these downloads by looking at that? or could you recommend some better way to test? |
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| 23:35.18 | E-bola | abrotman: why? |
| 23:35.26 | abrotman | E-bola: there's also backports.org .. spamassassin is in volatile and BPO |
| 23:35.43 | E-bola | abrotman: spamassin is not in volatile, not as 3.2.4 |
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| 23:35.48 | E-bola | and i couldnt find a backport of it |
| 23:35.59 | \amethyst | soczol: Sounds like it's probably one of the disk, controller, or cable, but it could possibly be RAM |
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| 23:36.18 | soczol | but if it was ram; wouldn't /dev/shm be experiencing the same problems? |
| 23:36.33 | abrotman | E-bola: wanna bet? http://packages.debian.org/spamassassin |
| 23:36.40 | abrotman | E-bola: it's 3.2.3 |
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| 23:36.51 | E-bola | abrtoman: right and i want 3.2.4 |
| 23:36.57 | soczol | i can easily reproduce these problems on the disk over and over, but on /dev/shm they stay fine |
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| 23:37.01 | abrotman | E-bola: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. try not to screw up your server |
| 23:37.15 | E-bola | maybe i should just stick to tarballs |
| 23:37.26 | E-bola | if you really advice that much against running with pinning? |
| 23:37.30 | E-bola | ive done it before though |
| 23:37.33 | E-bola | with clamav i think ti was |
| 23:37.36 | E-bola | never caused any problems |
| 23:37.41 | \amethyst | soczol: hope you have backups :) |
| 23:37.45 | soczol | it's a new server |
| 23:37.53 | soczol | so I don't really need to have backups yet |
| 23:37.53 | soczol | ;d |
| 23:38.05 | soczol | e.g. just installed |
| 23:38.17 | \amethyst | soczol: do you have multiple partitions by any chance? |
| 23:38.26 | \amethyst | if so you could test on a different partition |
| 23:38.27 | soczol | nope, but I do have LVM |
| 23:38.38 | soczol | and it's actually 2 disks on RAID1 |
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| 23:38.41 | soczol | with a 3ware controller |
| 23:38.56 | \amethyst | err |
| 23:38.59 | MoDaX | soczol: run badblocks |
| 23:39.01 | \amethyst | hm |
| 23:39.20 | mirrorcolor | how to mount a new partition so ordinary users can write to it? |
| 23:39.21 | \amethyst | you're not getting any RAID errors? |
| 23:39.26 | soczol | \amethyst: nope |
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| 23:39.53 | \amethyst | if it were just a disk going bad the controller ought to detect that the mirror is incoherent |
| 23:40.06 | dury | dpkg: change the default xscreensaver |
| 23:40.07 | dpkg | that doesn't look right |
| 23:40.08 | soczol | yeah; i'm starting to believe the controller itself might be broken |
| 23:40.09 | \amethyst | maybe the controller is broken? |
| 23:40.22 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:40.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:40.29 | \amethyst | soczol: what bus? |
| 23:40.31 | mirrorcolor | i mean, what are mount options to be specified for that, suppose that the file system is ext3 |
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| 23:40.40 | soczol | bus? as in IDE/SATA? ;d |
| 23:40.41 | dury | come on |
| 23:41.18 | \amethyst | soczol: PCIe? |
| 23:41.29 | MoDaX | dury: we do not understand you |
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| 23:41.43 | soczol | mhm; would have to check actually |
| 23:41.43 | marc7 | is there a 'netinst' bootable CD image *newer* than 4.0r3 (for a release *other* than etch, either lenny or sid) |
| 23:41.53 | soczol | don't know; didn't put it in there; not a hardware-kinda-guy |
| 23:41.53 | soczol | :D |
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| 23:42.52 | PerfDave | I'm having problems with apt-proxy - it's installed and I can fetch packages through it, but apt-proxy-import tells me "No Packages files available for debian backend" even though I can see /var/cache/apt-proxy/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz and /var/cache/apt-proxy/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 exist. |
| 23:43.10 | dury | MoDax: I told you I want to change the default xscreensaver for another one, that's all |
| 23:43.25 | dury | simply that |
| 23:43.57 | soczol | \amethyst: it's a 3ware 8006-2LP, and according to their specs it's connected through PCI |
| 23:44.17 | \amethyst | soczol: hm. |
| 23:44.23 | \amethyst | soczol: it's still possible that the error is in the portion of RAM used to cache the file |
| 23:44.36 | \amethyst | soczol: so I'd recommend running memtest86+ just to rule that out |
| 23:44.50 | soczol | well; i ran memtest86+ earlier today; and it passes 2 runs without any errors |
| 23:44.55 | soczol | *passed |
| 23:45.01 | \amethyst | then call 3ware or your vendor and ask them to fix the controller :) |
| 23:45.12 | \amethyst | actually, you might test with other OSs if you can |
| 23:45.36 | soczol | I probably could; I'll try fidding with the disks a bit too (e.g. removing one) |
| 23:45.37 | soczol | ;d |
| 23:45.44 | soczol | thanks ;) |
| 23:46.08 | MoDaX | dury: well, I already answered to that. but you keep mentioning version like it did matter which confuses me |
| 23:46.45 | marc7 | found the answer to my question by crawling d.org, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:47.09 | jescis | wonders if E-bola is still at his terminal :/ |
| 23:47.16 | MoDaX | dury: it should be somewhere under gnome preferences |
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| 23:47.54 | MoDaX | dury: or ask in #gnome , #debian-gnome if there are ones |
| 23:48.20 | johndbritton | enouf: i got the DC to replace the RAM, that didn't fix the problems |
| 23:48.23 | E-bola | jescis ? |
| 23:48.40 | jescis | missdirection |
| 23:48.53 | jescis | I meant enouf |
| 23:48.57 | E-bola | k |
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| 23:49.43 | HopsNBarley | i'm baffled - i gunziped and cpio -o my initrd, and it doesn't seem to be the same as my net-booted initrd system. can anybody point me in the right direction? |
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| 23:52.30 | mirrorcolor | how to mount a new partition so ordinary users can have write permission to it? |
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| 23:53.30 | dury | MoDax: really appreciate your help and support...tomorrow I have to wake up early to work hard with linux |
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| 23:54.06 | dury | MoDax: thanx :) |
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| 23:55.29 | FordCortina | im only getting sound out of one of two speakers with my ac97 chipset. any ideas what I could do? |
| 23:56.04 | vvd | FordCortina: sell the second speaker :) |
| 23:56.21 | p_lip | got a similar problem under windows |
| 23:56.39 | FordCortina | yeh i thought linux was fine with my ac97, until now |
| 23:56.48 | p_lip | FordCortina, but under linux it works perfectly ... sry i can't help |
| 23:56.56 | Pryon | are you certain it's not the jack? |
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| 23:57.20 | FordCortina | ha lol |
| 23:57.24 | FordCortina | it is the speaker |
| 23:57.32 | FordCortina | thanks |
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| 23:58.41 | FordCortina | ok... now they're both working |
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