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| 00:05.30 | jescis | I did "sh ./MAKEDEV -v fb" and it puts the devices into /dev/.static/dev folder/directory |
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| 00:07.14 | jelly-home | Soskel: I'm here but I don't do any installations after 1am local time. :-) |
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| 00:08.57 | scruffy | to answer my own question, i solved my problem with a few modifications to this excellent howto: http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/BIND_(dynamic_DNS) |
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| 00:12.10 | techouse | oh hell yeah! 3945 wireless on 2.6.24-1 :D |
| 00:12.26 | techouse | I <3 Debian wiki |
| 00:14.48 | RyanRyan62 | How do I make iptables log stuff |
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| 00:16.33 | RyanRyan62 | Â ohh...it does :D |
| 00:16.43 | scruffy | RyanRyan62: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/iptables-logging-385165/ |
| 00:17.30 | RyanRyan62 | thanks |
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| 00:22.57 | Igneous | This might be better asked in #bash.. but i figured this might be debian specific.. I'm trying to make a custom bash prompt for new users when they log on.. I've already got one for root, but I'd like it applied to every new user on the system. I've tried editing the /etc/bash.bashrc with the PS1= strand, but i doesn't really work, i still end up with a very bland looking bash shell (and yes, I have checked ~/.bashrc and ~/.b |
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| 00:23.35 | abrotman | Igneous: /etc/profile ? |
| 00:24.31 | Igneous | hey whaddya know, that works |
| 00:25.12 | techouse | what's the terminal command for the gnome configuration editor? |
| 00:25.37 | Igneous | gedit? gnome-edit? |
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| 00:25.47 | Igneous | lol nvm, my mistake, misread that |
| 00:25.55 | techouse | lol |
| 00:25.57 | abrotman | gconf-edit |
| 00:26.02 | techouse | tnx |
| 00:26.07 | \amethyst | Igneous: put something like case $0 in *bash*) source /etc/bash.bashrc ;; esac in your /etc/profile maybe |
| 00:26.09 | Joelito | hi, guys...how can use usplash in debian etch/stable? |
| 00:26.27 | techouse | i need to set some shit for root :D |
| 00:26.46 | Joelito | I want to add a nice boot screen instead of those [ok] messages |
| 00:27.05 | \amethyst | Igneous: .bashrc (and the Debian-specific /etc/bash.bashrc) are sourced automatically for non-login shells only |
| 00:27.07 | techouse | abrotman: command not fount :P |
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| 00:27.34 | abrotman | techouse: gconf<tab><Tab> |
| 00:27.37 | damaltor | hello everybody. i did set up an apache web server in my home network, with a static adress via dyndns wich converts my non-static ip. this worked great for some days now. after messing around with CUPS (wanted to get that fancy webinterface via network) its down: i still can reach it via its local ip, and i also can reach the router configuration menu (wich i set to port 100 for no problems with http port 80) via dyndns. so dyndns works, |
| 00:27.37 | damaltor | and direct connection to the webserver works - i thought of the router, maybe he has problems with port forwarding (Zyxel machines are known for like, forgetting the set up things) but the configuration is ok. even when i disable the firewall in the router, no connection from outside is possible (worked before!). so my questions are: can the "server" i set up here notice a difference between connecting to it via dyndns and connecting via L |
| 00:27.40 | damaltor | AN? is there anything i could have messed up? |
| 00:27.50 | damaltor | ..wow, that was much. |
| 00:28.08 | techouse | abrotman: lol...i'm not that stupid :D |
| 00:28.13 | techouse | it's just not there |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | techouse: etch ? |
| 00:28.25 | techouse | sid |
| 00:28.30 | techouse | lenny/sid |
| 00:28.34 | abrotman | then you should know how to find it yourself |
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| 00:28.42 | techouse | k |
| 00:29.16 | jescis | Joelito: why? what better way to know if something is or isn't working. |
| 00:29.18 | techouse | aha |
| 00:29.19 | techouse | gconf-editor |
| 00:29.20 | techouse | :D |
| 00:29.50 | Joelito | jescis: Well..good point :p |
| 00:30.21 | jescis | thank you I try. |
| 00:30.41 | Igneous | Sweet, I got it working.. |
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| 00:32.33 | Igneous | Also.. I'm having an issue with changing the motd.. after I edit it, and reboot, debian overwrites it.. I was thinking about trying to edit it's permissions, but I figure i'd ask here first. |
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| 00:33.34 | jescis | Joelito: besides if it does that and it's supposed to have a graphic like ubuntu does then something isn't right. |
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| 00:34.51 | Igneous | nevermind, fixed my issue |
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| 00:35.46 | jescis | When I installed debian the thing never made a fb for anything. And I really need at least one fb :( |
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| 00:36.04 | Joelito | jescis: thanks, one more question: what's the difference between: deb http://ftp.debian.com etch main contrib and deb http://ftp.debian.org stable main contrib? |
| 00:36.52 | abrotman | Igneous: yes it does get overwritten |
| 00:36.55 | jescis | .com or .org?? |
| 00:37.01 | streuner | actually none, but if lenny becomes stable you update with the "stable" source to lenny... |
| 00:37.13 | abrotman | Joelito: they're different domains |
| 00:37.20 | streuner | yes, debian.com isnt official |
| 00:37.36 | Joelito | oops, may bad :p' |
| 00:37.45 | Igneous | abrotman: I was editing the wrong thing.. I needed to edit motd.tail.. not motd.. |
| 00:37.51 | Joelito | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.24 | streuner | Joelito: see what we told you about before (lenny/testing, etch/stable) |
| 00:38.30 | abrotman | Igneous: yes |
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| 00:42.11 | streuner | abrotman: do you earn that well? |
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| 00:42.36 | abrotman | streuner: eh who? |
| 00:42.54 | streuner | yes, thats iam asking myself |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | streuner: to what are you referring? |
| 00:43.32 | enouf | MoDaX: I sent this in memo to kantor (a FYI)-> hi; about Optical drive info and hdparm failing - sdparm -a /dev/scd0 (or whatever) will/should work, but you likely want "cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info" or maybe even "wodim -prcap dev=/dev/scd0" (try /dev/cdrom too ... option -prcap == print capabilities) see wodim --help (or cdrecord if you're using that) |
| 00:44.16 | streuner | abrotman> Soskel: i don't care .. i already have a job |
| 00:44.49 | abrotman | streuner: ah .. enough that i don't want to have maintain some installation in a country i've never been to :) |
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| 00:45.06 | abrotman | not like that anyways |
| 00:45.31 | enouf | jescis: hrm, well mknod isn't going to stick across reboots, guess you might need to make a udev rule - this is highly odd , so better look at the issue from another angle - are hal and dbus installed? |
| 00:45.32 | fr00g | how can i put my sound card in non - blockin mode underf gnome? |
| 00:45.42 | abrotman | !dmix |
| 00:45.42 | dpkg | dmix is probably an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 00:45.57 | enouf | !dsnoop |
| 00:46.01 | enouf | hrm |
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| 00:49.33 | jescis | enouf: hal and dbus are installed |
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| 00:52.26 | enouf | jescis: ok, so no X is working either? |
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| 00:53.12 | jescis | nope |
| 00:53.31 | enouf | jescis: are you using nvidiafb or something screwy too? pastebin lsmod, lspci -nn, and /etc/modules output |
| 00:53.38 | enouf | cat /etc/modules |
| 00:53.40 | jescis | not graphically any ways -_- |
| 00:53.55 | enouf | jescis: you're missing something very important ;-p |
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| 00:54.08 | Ssam` | hey |
| 00:54.11 | Ssam` | is there a debian mini? |
| 00:54.17 | abrotman | a what? |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 00:54.19 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. |
| 00:54.29 | enouf | like the xserver-xorg-video-all pkg |
| 00:55.01 | jescis | enouf: only see the comments and the word loop in the /etc/modues file |
| 00:55.13 | enouf | jescis: using Sid? |
| 00:55.14 | Ssam` | yea well 11.5 kb/sex |
| 00:55.17 | Ssam` | sec* |
| 00:55.21 | Ssam` | might as well be dialup |
| 00:55.26 | Ssam` | lol bad typo there |
| 00:55.39 | jescis | I net installed etch 4.0r3 |
| 00:55.41 | enouf | jescis: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-all | tail -1 |
| 00:55.42 | abrotman | Ssam`: so what are you looking for ? |
| 00:56.14 | enouf | jescis: that's odd, you /etc/modules .. but perhaps |
| 00:56.17 | Ssam` | well i am using ubuntu and havent learned squat about linux |
| 00:56.26 | Ssam` | so i figured start from the core os |
| 00:56.26 | Ssam` | :) |
| 00:56.37 | Ssam` | i have a slow net so i would need a mini cd version |
| 00:56.38 | abrotman | it's not the "core".. but carry on |
| 00:56.52 | Ssam` | i mean a basic version ill download reuqired packages from the net |
| 00:56.55 | abrotman | Ssam`: you can use the netinst CD to get a booting system .. you'll need http sources to get X |
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| 00:56.57 | Ssam` | i also dont noe squat about linux |
| 00:57.02 | Ssam` | so speak english :P |
| 00:57.25 | Ssam` | lol |
| 00:57.29 | Ssam` | live cd? |
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| 00:58.34 | jescis | enouf: it has two i's when I did the dpkg command you gave |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | Ssam`: no .. netinst |
| 00:58.52 | enouf | jescis: run /etc/init.d/udev stop (then start) |
| 00:59.07 | enouf | jescis: i need you to show me |
| 00:59.07 | Ssam` | i dont think i would know how to install from that sorry |
| 00:59.17 | enouf | jescis: the line |
| 00:59.19 | jescis | enouf: ok |
| 00:59.20 | Miesco | Whats a virtual machine? |
| 00:59.28 | Miesco | !virtual machine |
| 00:59.36 | abrotman | Ssam`: why don't you try it |
| 00:59.44 | abrotman | Miesco: google |
| 00:59.47 | jescis | But I can't copy and paste fyi |
| 00:59.55 | enouf | jescis: install gpm |
| 01:00.09 | jescis | I have to type it up me self |
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| 01:00.22 | enouf | jescis: use your clients -o option or |
| 01:00.22 | jescis | I have gpm |
| 01:00.30 | Ssam` | okay |
| 01:00.33 | enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 01:00.33 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
| 01:00.42 | Ssam` | but without network support |
| 01:00.47 | enouf | install and use gpm |
| 01:00.50 | Ssam` | how will i get a guide through the install |
| 01:00.54 | Ssam` | what if i messup |
| 01:00.58 | jescis | cool! |
| 01:01.04 | Ssam` | i dont noe anything about linux |
| 01:01.05 | enouf | trollin trollin trollin |
| 01:01.28 | abrotman | !tell Ssam` about ig |
| 01:01.29 | abrotman | !tell Ssam` about netinst |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | !tell Ssam` about grounding |
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| 01:01.47 | jescis | I'll be back. going to tty5 |
| 01:01.56 | enouf | a trifecta abrotman ? ;-) |
| 01:02.20 | jelly-home | what's a noe, is it similar to a doe? |
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| 01:02.38 | Ssam` | thanjks |
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| 01:03.01 | enouf | noe must be derived from the same language as noone |
| 01:03.48 | enouf | !noone |
| 01:03.49 | dpkg | me thinks 'Noone' is a character (Buddy Noone) in a bad Clint Eastwood movie (Bloodline or someshit) .. it's not a word! .. so stop using it as such please! Also; ***noone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean I do. |
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| 01:05.51 | Ssam` | abrotman: does debian have a live cd? |
| 01:06.02 | abrotman | why does that help? |
| 01:06.21 | Ssam` | the live cd? |
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| 01:06.35 | Ssam` | i dont noe |
| 01:06.39 | abrotman | then don't ask |
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| 01:06.45 | abrotman | use the netinst |
| 01:06.55 | Ssam` | i am reading |
| 01:07.07 | antum | How do I test if a port is open on a remote computer from a debian machine? |
| 01:07.27 | Ssam` | ipscan? |
| 01:07.27 | abrotman | antum: telnet |
| 01:07.38 | antum | abrotman... damn I was using that :P |
| 01:07.44 | abrotman | antum: you can try nmap |
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| 01:08.02 | enouf | noe. a near. a female near ... rai. a rai dawn chong of sun |
| 01:08.09 | pmv | antum, tcp? |
| 01:08.21 | jelly-home | the hills are ALIVE! |
| 01:08.35 | enouf | mi a name i call myself, fah .. a wong wong wai to wun |
| 01:08.43 | antum | pmv I think so? It's for the Zend Debugger to connect back to the client machine... the manual doesn't specify?? |
| 01:08.47 | scorch | when I try to install libxml2 through apt, it tries to start lighttpd for some reason, and it fails and don't install libxml2? |
| 01:08.51 | nevyn | sigh |
| 01:08.57 | nevyn | it must be the weather. |
| 01:09.03 | enouf | so , where's that needle ! |
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| 01:09.09 | abrotman | nevyn: or the day? |
| 01:09.10 | nevyn | http://www.poppyfields.net/filks/ |
| 01:09.14 | pmv | antum, it does not specify which port? |
| 01:09.25 | pmv | meaning what you need is to find out which ports are open? |
| 01:09.28 | pmv | nmap then |
| 01:09.34 | pmv | nmap -sT |
| 01:09.36 | antum | pmv it doesn't specify whether it's udp or tcp, |
| 01:09.37 | scorch | lighty is installed and works, but why would apt (or whatever is doing it) try to start it? |
| 01:09.38 | Ssam` | dude theres like 39 iso images in netinst i386 |
| 01:09.49 | Ssam` | which one has the basic debian? |
| 01:10.01 | Enfi|ade | it's a net install |
| 01:10.07 | pmv | Ssam`, 39? show me |
| 01:10.12 | Igneous | the one that says netinst |
| 01:10.27 | Ssam` | may i paste a link there? |
| 01:10.28 | Igneous | Ctrl+F |
| 01:10.34 | Ssam` | here* |
| 01:10.35 | Igneous | gogogo link |
| 01:10.37 | pmv | Ssam`, show sure |
| 01:10.41 | Ssam` | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:10.53 | enouf | fail |
| 01:10.55 | Ssam` | which one should i download |
| 01:11.02 | Igneous | oh wow |
| 01:11.10 | jelly-home | the one that has netinst in its name? |
| 01:11.14 | antum | thanks i'm installing and trying nmap now |
| 01:11.19 | abrotman | Ssam`: the onet hat says "netinst" in the name maybe? |
| 01:11.56 | Ssam` | ahhh well when u click under a caption that says netinst i386 ud assume it would take you there |
| 01:12.05 | abrotman | !tell Ssam` about u |
| 01:12.23 | pmv | Ssam`, uh |
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| 01:12.40 | pmv | *scratch head* |
| 01:12.47 | Igneous | Uh.. why does the debian ftp server run freebsd? |
| 01:13.01 | abrotman | Igneous: it's a mirror .. they can run windows if they want |
| 01:13.02 | jelly-home | Igneous: why not? |
| 01:13.17 | Igneous | I just figured it'd be logical to run debian |
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| 01:13.23 | pmv | even microsoft uses linux to mirror their sites |
| 01:13.23 | Igneous | Debian servers run debian |
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| 01:13.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:13.41 | antum | pmv I'm running the nmap command you gave me, and reading the man pages but can you explain what the -sT options do? |
| 01:13.56 | pmv | antum, there is a concise explanation in the manpage |
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| 01:14.34 | pmv | I would rather not deprive you of the opportunity for fun and knowledge :) |
| 01:15.30 | Igneous | haha oh wow: http://fukung.net/v/6640/1188657769715.gif |
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| 01:16.14 | antum | pmv thanks :P but now that I've determined the port is closed when it should be open.... and I can verify it's open on the router and network... how do I figure out where it is being blocked? |
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| 01:17.01 | bdheeman | hi, friends |
| 01:17.18 | abrotman | Igneous: try to keep it ontopic .. |
| 01:17.20 | jescis | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/945577 && http://pastebin.ca/945578 |
| 01:17.30 | bdheeman | it is possible to run .NET apps on a Debian machine? |
| 01:18.18 | pmv | antum, without knowing exactly how your network infra looks like, I can at best produce a guess |
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| 01:18.33 | abrotman | !tell bdheeman about mono |
| 01:18.58 | CppIsWeird | there any kind of ext3 deletion recovery app? |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 01:19.05 | dpkg | well, undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 01:19.16 | abrotman | CppIsWeird: that's kind of the point of journaling |
| 01:19.29 | antum | pmv, yep fair enough, we basically connect through a Mac Airport to the WWW... the Airport has a static IP and is (supposed to be) forwarding a specific port to a specific IP.... and it works fine on our internal network but seems to be blocked by anyone trying to access it outside our network |
| 01:19.57 | scorch | when I try to install libxml2 through apt, it tries to start lighttpd for some reason, and it fails and don't install libxml2? |
| 01:20.14 | abrotman | why does lightttpd fial to start? |
| 01:20.14 | pmv | antum, this leads me to think the airport is the problem. can you verify by doing an nmap from the outside? |
| 01:20.45 | pmv | hopes it is because libxml2 is not found |
| 01:20.46 | Ssam` | when i install from netinst would it have a browser and messenger? |
| 01:20.55 | scorch | abrotman: "cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/lighttpd/index.html': No such file or directory" |
| 01:21.03 | Ssam` | or will it download it during the install process |
| 01:21.06 | scorch | though it works when I start it myself |
| 01:21.12 | abrotman | scorch: touch /usr/share/lighttpd/index.html |
| 01:21.15 | pmv | Ssam`, base installer only. it allows you to get stuff from the network. |
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| 01:21.45 | Ssam` | by base you mean just the gui right? |
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| 01:21.51 | abrotman | nothing |
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| 01:21.58 | scorch | abrotman: but why would it start lighttpd when I'm installing libxml2? |
| 01:22.00 | Ssam` | everything else id have to type on the terminal? |
| 01:22.02 | abrotman | you know linux works without a GUI right ?> |
| 01:22.16 | abrotman | scorch: no idea .. i'm just telling you how to possibly solve your issue |
| 01:22.16 | Ssam` | oh so this would be without gui? |
| 01:22.19 | antum | pmv I've just done nmap from outside and it came back saying port was closed (using Static IP) do I try the same from the inside using the Static IP or the local IP of the computer |
| 01:22.26 | pmv | tsk |
| 01:22.32 | pmv | can you verify the port mapping again? |
| 01:22.40 | pmv | it might be that it is mapped, but the fw still does not allow it |
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| 01:23.17 | scorch | abrotman: okey, thanks though |
| 01:23.18 | pmv | antum, you can run nmap from the static IP? you have nmap on the airport? |
| 01:23.33 | pmv | Ssam`, no gnome or anything no |
| 01:23.56 | Ssam` | okay hrmmm you know i dont noe anything about linux right? |
| 01:24.01 | antum | I can run nmap from an external server (which I've already done) or from a computer inside our local area network (which uses the airport to connect to the WWW) |
| 01:24.23 | scorch | I'm trying to ./configure php5, and I get "configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation.", though I have libxml2 installed |
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| 01:24.27 | pmv | Ssam`, why do you choose debian, out of curiosity? what will you be using it for? |
| 01:24.43 | Ssam` | well everyone starts somewhere |
| 01:24.51 | pmv | Ssam`, I would suggest ubuntu. |
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| 01:25.00 | antum | pmv by running nmap from another computer on our local area network nmap -sT -pPORTNUM 10.0.1.194 I get an OPEN result |
| 01:25.01 | pmv | for a starter who would prefer a gui, that is. |
| 01:25.18 | Ssam` | but i didnt learn anything from ubuntu |
| 01:25.18 | Igneous | yeah, *buntu for sure |
| 01:25.20 | Ssam` | i have ubuntu |
| 01:25.36 | Igneous | try gentoo then |
| 01:25.39 | Igneous | you'll learn a whole lot |
| 01:25.41 | pmv | Ssam`, nothing from ubuntu? what makes you think you can learn from debian then? |
| 01:25.42 | Igneous | real quick |
| 01:26.12 | Ssam` | youre right ill go with fedora |
| 01:26.17 | Ssam` | thanks |
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| 01:26.28 | Igneous | Fedora omg |
| 01:26.31 | pmv | ... |
| 01:26.31 | jescis | fedora! pfft |
| 01:26.39 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 01:26.45 | pmv | I hope that did not come out rude |
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| 01:26.49 | Igneous | Could you imagine him trying to install gentoo, from a minimal cd? |
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| 01:27.09 | pmv | but he seemed to have wanted something with a friendly gui install at least |
| 01:27.39 | pmv | antum, |
| 01:27.42 | abrotman | pmv: not really .. |
| 01:27.48 | jescis | Well he should stick with ubuntu then |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | Igneous: that's none of our business |
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| 01:28.03 | pmv | well you are doing the trace from inside. fw might be blocking incoming connections from outside. |
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| 01:28.20 | pmv | antum, well you are doing the trace from inside. fw might be blocking incoming connections from outside. |
| 01:28.32 | phil2 | How can log the ssh user on your system if they ssh using the -L option? |
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| 01:29.00 | pmv | phil2, so you want to do port forwarding? |
| 01:29.22 | antum | pmv yeah that's exactly what it looks like but from the apple documentation it says as soon as you enable port mapping it will open the port up on the firewall... is there a traceroute for ports to see where the port is being blocked? |
| 01:29.23 | terron | how do i unstall applications installed via apt-get install? |
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| 01:29.29 | phil2 | I give out shell accounts and I have to keep a log in accordance to my isp uap. |
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| 01:29.57 | pmv | antum, yeah, it does make sense for it to do that. but as far as I can see that is the only point of failure. |
| 01:30.11 | pmv | antum, try without the -p option |
| 01:30.12 | terron | uninstall* |
| 01:30.20 | pmv | maybe it is not closed, just filtered? |
| 01:30.22 | phil2 | Is there a way to log the connections? |
| 01:30.51 | pmv | phil2, this is not what -L is for. and ssh connections are logged by default to syslog. |
| 01:31.11 | phil2 | Ok |
| 01:31.12 | antum | pmv i totally agree... I'm not having much luck with the apple community though :( |
| 01:31.44 | pmv | antum, well try opening another port. a common one, say ssh or http. |
| 01:31.47 | abrotman | terron: man apt-get |
| 01:31.58 | pmv | forward it then see if you can get through the airport |
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| 01:32.33 | pmv | also check your port forwarding. if it is forwarding to the wrong IP/port, it will mark the port closed even if connections are forwarded |
| 01:32.39 | Aw0L | when installing xorg, why does apt want to install ALL video drivers, instead of just the one(s) relative to my system? |
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| 01:33.50 | antum | pmv, thanks, yeah I've tried http, exposing my local server for a few minutes (scary), but it still didn't give me access.. It must be some configuration with the Airport... Thanks for all your help, I'm going to try some different Airport configurations which will probably take me offline... thanks! |
| 01:34.09 | hughw | hi all |
| 01:34.23 | CppIsWeird | Anyone know where I can find software to recover deleted files from an ext3 filesystem? |
| 01:34.26 | hughw | a strange request: how do I convert .MOV files to MPG or OGG? |
| 01:34.27 | abrotman | Aw0L: it's easier for most |
| 01:34.39 | abrotman | CppIsWeird: see what the bot said about undelete |
| 01:34.50 | amphi | hughw: mencoder or ffmpeg, I would think |
| 01:34.52 | pmv | hughw, mencoder will do |
| 01:34.54 | Aw0L | abrotman, no doubt it is, but is there a way to remove all the junk and just install what I need? |
| 01:34.59 | hughw | thx :) |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | Aw0L: same way you remove other packages ? |
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| 01:35.23 | CppIsWeird | abrotman: yep. |
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| 01:35.33 | Aw0L | abrotman, so I have to install all, then go back and remove the ones I don't need? |
| 01:35.38 | amphi | CppIsWeird: see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html perhaps |
| 01:35.46 | abrotman | Aw0L: or start going down the list of depends and do it yourself .. |
| 01:35.53 | what_if | how do I install sun-java5-bin and auto accept the license?? |
| 01:36.04 | CppIsWeird | when i care to write my own software that recovers ext3, i'll be sure to. |
| 01:36.06 | hughw | hmm, can't find a package that contains mencoder. Is there one? |
| 01:36.17 | Aw0L | abrotman, just install each package one by one? but won't apt still pull in the rest as it thinks those are dependencies? |
| 01:36.30 | abrotman | Aw0L: not if you do it right |
| 01:36.47 | Aw0L | abrotman, thanks, I'll give that a go |
| 01:36.53 | abrotman | what_if: pipe it "yes" ? |
| 01:36.57 | phil2 | The last uer is was do any logging |
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| 01:37.20 | abrotman | Aw0L: you're not likely to get it right the first time |
| 01:37.32 | what_if | abrotman: in apt ?? |
| 01:38.06 | Igneous | Anyone know of a good console-based media player? I'm trying to write a php/cgi web frontend, so I can hook my computer up to a stereo, and manipulate it from any web browser throughout the house. |
| 01:38.06 | phil2 | The kernel should log all of it |
| 01:38.24 | scorch | I'm trying to ./configure php5, and I get "configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation.", though I have libxml2 installed |
| 01:38.39 | phil2 | brb |
| 01:38.40 | terron | Igneous: mplayer |
| 01:39.09 | Igneous | Yeah i was thinking mpd or moc.. mplayer is yet another option |
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| 01:40.26 | terron | mplayer is the lighest weight one around, i believe. even my crappy old xbox can run full screen video as long as it's not HD |
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| 01:41.45 | Igneous | yeah wow, there's already a mpd frontend: http://www.musicpd.org/phpMp.shtml |
| 01:41.51 | pmv | it will even run without x, via aalib ;-) |
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| 01:43.27 | FFEMTcJ | I setup chroot, and trying to run nano on a chroot'ed user, I get error opening terminal: xterm.. I installed xterm and added it to the apps list for the chroot to no avail. any ideas? |
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| 01:46.03 | Decepticon | is it possible to install debian on a computer, take out the hdd, plant the hdd into another computer and boot ? |
| 01:46.31 | Decepticon | (and have a working computer) ? |
| 01:46.42 | aoeu | yes |
| 01:47.00 | Aw0L | Decepticon, different hardware? |
| 01:47.09 | Decepticon | yes, radically |
| 01:47.10 | Coweater | might need to reconfig X, sound, but it should boot |
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| 01:47.21 | abrotman | Decepticon: usually, yes |
| 01:47.45 | Aw0L | wouldn't he need to recompile his kernel for the new hardware as well? |
| 01:48.16 | Aw0L | or are debian kernels usually bloated enough where it wouldn't matter? |
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| 01:48.35 | Kevin` | Aw0L debian kernels are built with proper use of modules |
| 01:48.56 | Kevin` | it doesn't recompile when you first install, does it? |
| 01:49.24 | terron | Aw0L: as long as the kernel is only loading drivers for hardware it detects it shouldn't be any more bloated than any other distro |
| 01:49.43 | Aw0L | Kevin`, so support for all kinds of stuff you don't need are built in as modules, and just loads what it needs |
| 01:49.44 | Aw0L | ah |
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| 01:50.17 | Aw0L | interesting |
| 01:50.24 | waseem57 | hi i just copied a true type font to ~/.fonts then i did sudo fc-cache -fv. i can use *these* fonts in gedit but can't make them available to the terminal. |
| 01:50.39 | terron | well you can probably compile it yourself to only include the drivers you need |
| 01:50.40 | Decepticon | am i just better off reinstalling debian with the new hardware, or dealing with potential problems with the old install, at the point of keeping my old programs and settings |
| 01:50.52 | terron | but is the couple megs of hd space worth losing upgradability? |
| 01:51.05 | abrotman | Decepticon: just try it .. you can always put it back in the old system right ? |
| 01:51.10 | Kevin` | Decepticon there will only be a few specific problems to deal with. mostly device names changing |
| 01:51.30 | Aw0L | although I do see modules loaded for stuff I don't really want |
| 01:51.33 | Aw0L | no biggie |
| 01:52.08 | damaltor | hi there... anyone familiar with CUPS? i am wanting to install a printer with that webinterface on a pc in LAN. i can open the webinterface, and it works fine. if i wanted to add a printer, it redirected me to a https:// page, wich didnt load. i opened the cups.conf and commented "Encryption required". now i could do following steps: add printer - choose printer - select driver. if i now klick on ok, it redirects me to a ssl page again - a |
| 01:52.09 | damaltor | nd it still doesnt load. what can i do? |
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| 02:02.35 | jescis | enouf: here's my /etc/modules file: http://pastebin.ca/945615 |
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| 02:06.38 | jetscreamer | SHUT UP! |
| 02:06.47 | enouf | trollin trollin trollin |
| 02:06.55 | jetscreamer | rawhiiide! |
| 02:07.11 | phil2 | What file do you edit to stop xwindows from starting at bootup? |
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| 02:07.18 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 02:07.18 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:07.46 | phil2 | me? |
| 02:07.52 | damkor | hi, I need help with a segmentation fault in apt under etch |
| 02:07.52 | pmv | yes |
| 02:08.17 | jetscreamer | you can do all that, or you can just chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm (or ?dm) but THAT'S STUPID BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE DEBIAN WAY |
| 02:08.40 | jetscreamer | Tm |
| 02:08.50 | abrotman | jetscreamer: are you done? |
| 02:09.07 | jetscreamer | no but i edited it for your comfort |
| 02:09.07 | enouf | jescis: any way possible you could tell me less about your system? i didn't ask for most of those pastes |
| 02:10.06 | jetscreamer | phil2: the dm is controlled by /etc/X11/default-display-manager .. it it's empty, nothing will start |
| 02:10.16 | jetscreamer | that is another unapporved way |
| 02:10.21 | jetscreamer | unapproved |
| 02:10.24 | phil2 | There is no /etc/init.d/gmd |
| 02:10.30 | jetscreamer | gdm |
| 02:10.34 | jetscreamer | or xdm or kdm |
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| 02:10.37 | jetscreamer | ?dm |
| 02:10.38 | abrotman | yes .. because not everyone uses gdm |
| 02:10.55 | jetscreamer | hence the ?dm in the first unapproved method |
| 02:11.07 | abrotman | the line where you said "gdm" ? |
| 02:11.17 | jetscreamer | yes that first one iirc |
| 02:11.30 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.43 | jetscreamer | but please remember that's not the debian way |
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| 02:12.26 | jetscreamer | why the hell it would matter i have no idea |
| 02:12.33 | jetscreamer | good question |
| 02:12.47 | jetscreamer | why does it matter, what is the reasoning behind this |
| 02:13.14 | jetscreamer | (i'm asking) |
| 02:13.55 | abrotman | new package, file gets replaced ? |
| 02:14.19 | jetscreamer | but a halfway decent admin would know that wouldn't he |
| 02:14.35 | jetscreamer | maybe not on multiple boxes |
| 02:14.52 | jetscreamer | but, if it was stable, he would know |
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| 02:15.06 | jetscreamer | 'oh, we're going to lenny eh' |
| 02:15.07 | damkor | is it normal for apt to crash just because I add an unstable repository without installing any program from it? |
| 02:15.19 | jetscreamer | not afaik damkor |
| 02:15.48 | abrotman | jetscreamer: uh .. know what? that the file is getting replaced all the time? |
| 02:16.51 | damkor | well, I'm adding lenny's repositories to my sources.list (As well as etch's), using the preferences file to lower the priority of lenny under etch's, and apt crashes |
| 02:16.52 | abrotman | jetscreamer: so if the init file gets replaced all the time, and the perms reset .. how is your way better? |
| 02:16.56 | wols_ | !tell damkor about mmap |
| 02:17.00 | abrotman | damkor: paste the bug somewhere |
| 02:17.19 | wols_ | damkor: sometimes it segfaults instead of displaying the message iirc |
| 02:18.37 | damkor | abrotman: you mean somewhere here or 'leave us alone and just submit a bug report'? |
| 02:18.44 | abrotman | damkor: no .. |
| 02:18.45 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:18.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:18.50 | abrotman | show us the output |
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| 02:19.01 | Intern[a]t | can anyone recommend a good sql driven dns server? |
| 02:19.22 | pmv | well |
| 02:19.30 | pmv | there are postgres backends for bind |
| 02:19.41 | Intern[a]t | i probably should clarify that i need mysql :) |
| 02:19.43 | pmv | ldap too, then you can ldap to a sql service |
| 02:19.58 | damkor | apt-get install splashy |
| 02:19.59 | pmv | ldap too, then you can backend using a sql service |
| 02:20.00 | damkor | Segmentation faultsts... 97% |
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| 02:20.06 | damkor | that's all I get |
| 02:20.22 | jetscreamer | abrotman: you would usually only want it temporarily i would think, and if you wanted it disabled for long ok why not uninstall it... but isn't that an example of a file i modified and debian overwrites it? what happened to the 'no we won't overwrite your files' |
| 02:20.30 | jetscreamer | 'modified' files |
| 02:20.45 | damkor | i just learned that if I disable the security updates from lenny, everything works fine... :( |
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| 02:21.00 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's what you might think .. but do you really want to climb inside the head of someone else? :) |
| 02:21.14 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you didn't modify the file .. you changed the perms |
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| 02:21.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: the md5sum would still match |
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| 02:22.11 | pablo | hi, what would you recommend an ide disk or a sata disk? |
| 02:22.18 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:22.20 | jetscreamer | it's all ide |
| 02:22.26 | jetscreamer | unless it's scsi |
| 02:22.31 | jetscreamer | you mean pata or sata? |
| 02:22.33 | jetscreamer | sata |
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| 02:22.41 | abrotman | pablo: sata |
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| 02:22.48 | pablo | jetscreamer: yes i mean pata or sata |
| 02:23.03 | jetscreamer | sata unless you don't have an sata controller maybe |
| 02:23.11 | pmv | serial |
| 02:23.16 | pablo | jetscreamer: they have the same lifetime? they are equal secure? |
| 02:23.20 | pmv | :) |
| 02:23.46 | jetscreamer | pablo: they have the same warranties afaik |
| 02:23.48 | wols_ | pablo: #hardware |
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| 02:24.41 | pablo | wols_: ah ok, didt know that channel |
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| 02:26.34 | eps | pablo, in general a sata drive will be better than a pata drive |
| 02:26.54 | Xcerca | whats a program for mounting dvd images movie.img ? |
| 02:27.01 | eps | mount |
| 02:27.04 | Xcerca | is there a command to do that ? |
| 02:27.58 | Justin | Xcerca: why do you want to mount it? |
| 02:28.37 | Xcerca | to watch the movie, and not put it on a dvd yet |
| 02:29.31 | eps | mount -o loop /location /path/to/movie.img man mount if you get stuck |
| 02:29.34 | Justin | Xcerca: then watch it. open it with vlc,mplayer,whatever |
| 02:29.38 | Justin | Xcerca: mounting it won't help |
| 02:29.48 | Xcerca | o alright |
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| 02:31.35 | Xcerca | i think my only problem with linux is that i think it's harder that it really is..... :P |
| 02:32.06 | eps | then you probably need to use windows or a mac |
| 02:32.11 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 02:32.41 | Xcerca | no |
| 02:33.09 | Xcerca | Justin thanks, that works |
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| 02:37.58 | weedeater | Xcerca: Thinking it's harder than it is I think I have the same problem. |
| 02:38.43 | johndbritton | i need some help troubleshooting aptitude, i get random SIGSEGVs from aptitude, ive done memtests, ive even swapped out for new RAM I've also checked the harddrives... any other ideas |
| 02:39.49 | abrotman | bad mobo? |
| 02:40.15 | eps | Johanna, do you get any nasty messages from dmesg? |
| 02:40.19 | damaltor | johndbritton: ever reinstalled aptitude? use apt-get? use a graphical tool? |
| 02:40.31 | Johanna | eps, sorry? |
| 02:40.45 | johndbritton | abrotman im not sure... id like to be able to say definitively if the mobo was bad |
| 02:40.46 | johndbritton | but i cant |
| 02:40.49 | eps | type dmesg in to a terminal and see if there are any notations as to issues |
| 02:40.51 | johndbritton | do you know a tool to test the mobo |
| 02:41.03 | abrotman | i know of what that abuses the cpu |
| 02:41.18 | johndbritton | damaltor: other apps are giving segfaults |
| 02:41.18 | johndbritton | including bonnie++ |
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| 02:41.38 | Ziroda1 | Anyone know where the Avahi config file is stored? |
| 02:41.46 | damaltor | johndbritton: uuh.. bad thing. really looks like some memory fault |
| 02:41.48 | johndbritton | damaltor: ill reinstall aptitude now |
| 02:42.06 | damaltor | with what, if the others give segfaults? |
| 02:42.06 | johndbritton | damaltor: ive replaced the memory and run memtests on it |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | Ziroda1: /etc/avahi/ ? |
| 02:42.21 | Ziroda1 | abrotman: just found it :) |
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| 02:42.32 | damaltor | johndbritton: with whatdo you want to reinstall, if the others give segfaults? |
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| 02:42.43 | Lovia | ä¸ææµè¯ |
| 02:42.47 | jim | Hi, where are the info files that come with the bash source distribution? |
| 02:42.57 | johndbritton | damaltor: "the others"? other programs give segfaults |
| 02:42.57 | johndbritton | but not always |
| 02:42.58 | johndbritton | its somewhat random |
| 02:43.05 | damaltor | kk |
| 02:43.08 | johndbritton | for example, i can launch aptitude |
| 02:43.12 | johndbritton | and run update |
| 02:43.14 | jim | (I just installed the package they used to be in) |
| 02:43.19 | damaltor | !jp | Lovia |
| 02:43.22 | abrotman | !info cpuburn etch |
| 02:43.24 | dpkg | cpuburn: (a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.4-23 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 02:43.39 | abrotman | jim: /usr/share/info/ ? |
| 02:43.53 | johndbritton | 10 or 12 times, then i get segfault, then relaunch and it will fail on the first update attempt, however if i relaunch and dont attempt an update (or anything else) it doesnt crash |
| 02:44.11 | jim | well I tried even dpkg -L bash-doc |
| 02:44.56 | johndbritton | abrotman: how does 'sudo apt-get --reinstall install aptitude' look |
| 02:45.01 | jim | !beer abrotman |
| 02:45.01 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Bornem Tripple for abrotman |
| 02:45.03 | johndbritton | shouldn't cause problems, should it |
| 02:45.08 | abrotman | johndbritton: why are you using sudo all the time? |
| 02:45.22 | johndbritton | habit |
| 02:45.23 | Lovia | damaltor? |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | johndbritton: you're running ubuntu ? |
| 02:45.29 | jim | about su/sudo/loginasroot: |
| 02:45.31 | johndbritton | no, debian |
| 02:45.33 | johndbritton | etch |
| 02:46.06 | abrotman | did you think that maybe sudo is crashing? |
| 02:46.08 | jim | it is considered a good thing by unix admin folks to learn to live in both worlds: |
| 02:46.24 | johndbritton | abrotman: no |
| 02:46.30 | johndbritton | ill check into that |
| 02:46.47 | jim | in the world of privilege, where you can do anything at a whim (be careful what you whim... it just might rhyme with jim...) |
| 02:47.18 | jim | in the world of restriction, the admin tries to make resources available to everyone moreorless equally |
| 02:48.34 | johndbritton | abrotman: i've just confirmed that aptitude crashes when run without sudo |
| 02:48.49 | jim | the world of privilege is meant to offer services to members of the world of restriction... the difference being, the restricted world is not permitted to change things about a shared resource (like make it unavailable to anyone) |
| 02:48.58 | abrotman | looks at hardware |
| 02:49.39 | jim | so if you have one printer and a thousand users, you deny access to the printer itself and provide a print queue |
| 02:50.11 | jim | not the most scalable example, but do you see the point? |
| 02:53.16 | jim | !find bash.info |
| 02:53.26 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bash.info' returned no results. |
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| 02:54.12 | abrotman | jim: if info can't find a true info page .. it loads the man page |
| 02:54.13 | lydgate | i just put in a cheap it8212 RAID card that I want to use as a simple IDE controller so I can do software RAID |
| 02:54.22 | jim | yes I know |
| 02:54.25 | lydgate | i finally got it to recognize it by putting noraid=1 into my /etc/modules.d |
| 02:54.30 | jim | I hate the man page tho :) |
| 02:54.43 | lydgate | but now I get endless I/O errors on two drives that were good at least a few days ago... is this a driver problem? |
| 02:55.24 | abrotman | jim: it's too short? |
| 02:55.40 | jim | it's too ungodly long |
| 02:55.46 | johndbritton | abrotman: if it was hardware, wouldn't we expect things like apache/mysql to crash |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | johndbritton: maybe .. maybe not |
| 02:56.14 | jim | the info page has shorter sections and are better organized |
| 02:56.47 | abrotman | bash --help ? |
| 02:57.10 | jim | ok, maybe you can help... want to try? |
| 02:58.01 | abrotman | help what? |
| 02:58.02 | jim | I'm looking to do something like cat somethingwithlotsalines | for i in read; do echo $i; done |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | xargs |
| 02:58.31 | jim | hmm why did I want to do it in a for loop... |
| 02:58.37 | jim | oh I remember |
| 02:58.40 | abrotman | because you're jim? |
| 02:58.50 | jim | !jim |
| 02:58.50 | dpkg | i guess jim is jim |
| 02:59.00 | jim | emmadently |
| 02:59.35 | abrotman | so why does the for loop matter? |
| 02:59.46 | jim | no, it was because I wanted to feed the $i somewhere other than at the end |
| 03:00.01 | abrotman | so use a for loop ? |
| 03:00.08 | jim | well yeah |
| 03:00.12 | abrotman | and i think xargs can do that |
| 03:00.14 | phil2 | Syslog is not logging ssh user@ip address |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | auth.log ? |
| 03:01.01 | jim | daemon.log? |
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| 03:01.39 | jim | or look at the syslog configuration file to see what goes where |
| 03:02.09 | phil2 | How about the logging connections going out? |
| 03:02.48 | abrotman | iptables |
| 03:02.51 | jim | well if you move files around, that's one way that can happen |
| 03:03.22 | phil2 | There is another logging programs made to do this 24/7 |
| 03:03.31 | abrotman | then why are you asking us? |
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| 03:03.46 | phil2 | I thought you might know how do it? |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | iptables |
| 03:04.27 | phil2 | hmmm |
| 03:04.34 | abrotman | or see if there's a LOG option in the `man ssh_config` |
| 03:04.50 | phil2 | Ty |
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| 03:09.46 | phil2 | A long time ago I think there is to be a way that you spy on your ssh users and see what they are typing. |
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| 03:10.46 | phil2 | Root are you loged in as root on your machine? |
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| 03:11.34 | amphi | phil2: whowatch? |
| 03:11.44 | phil2 | Program? |
| 03:11.58 | amphi | ¿ |
| 03:12.07 | phil2 | Ty |
| 03:12.12 | jim | phil2: and is there a question associated with this story? :) |
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| 03:13.02 | phil2 | No |
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| 03:13.44 | jim | so the question was not "what program does that, I want to install it so I can see what my users are typing"? |
| 03:15.49 | phil2 | I am looking for is a program that runs as a deamon and logs all the incomming and outgoing connections such as the date, time, username, ip connecting from, ip connecting to port # |
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| 03:16.22 | pipeline | iptables is your best bet for that. |
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| 03:16.41 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 03:16.48 | digijohn | Hi... I've been working behind a proxy but now I'm elsewhere... how do I disable the proxy for stuff like apt-get? |
| 03:16.48 | jim | you did :) |
| 03:16.52 | phil2 | Iptables creates a large file. |
| 03:17.02 | simonrvn | talk about invasion of privacy... watching what people type |
| 03:17.21 | digijohn | oh... http_proxy="" |
| 03:17.25 | phil2 | Its no invasion of privacy when a user on my network. |
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| 03:17.42 | simonrvn | uh, yes it is |
| 03:17.57 | jim | that depends on whether the user on your network is someone you are allowing to be there |
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| 03:18.16 | phil2 | If the user behaives then he has nothing to worry about. |
| 03:18.31 | simonrvn | missing the point... |
| 03:18.54 | jim | you going to tell your users you do this? |
| 03:18.55 | phil2 | Providers are required to keep logs |
| 03:19.32 | jim | but wait wait, you didn't ask for a keystroke logger did you? |
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| 03:20.05 | Sauvin | phil2, tell your users you are going to do this or face possible consequences. |
| 03:20.07 | simonrvn | phil2: there's keeping logs, and there's people's privacy rights violated. |
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| 03:20.39 | simonrvn | phil2: if you want to be a moron about it, go ahead, but you'll paying a lot more down the road. |
| 03:20.49 | jim | I'm not sure he asked for keystroke logger |
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| 03:20.59 | phil2 | I will you give you a good example. I let a paid user on my server and he starts hacking the federal goverment computer system. THey contact my isp and I have no logs and they expect me to resolve the issue but I have no logs. |
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| 03:21.26 | simonrvn | you don't have to have a keylogger to have logs |
| 03:21.33 | simonrvn | rolls eyes |
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| 03:21.51 | jim | right... and I don't believe he originally asked for one |
| 03:21.53 | phil2 | Keyloggers work if the user is ssh tunnel to your server? |
| 03:22.19 | jim | but then... now he's asking -about- them... |
| 03:22.36 | simonrvn | no but someone brought it up |
| 03:22.40 | Sauvin | phil2, retain a very expensive lawyer. |
| 03:22.44 | jim | I did |
| 03:23.10 | phil2 | They guys are over $200.00 per hour. |
| 03:23.16 | jim | cause I originally thought that's what he wanted, could be wrong |
| 03:23.44 | phil2 | Back in 1886 you could leave your house unlock buts a its different world now. |
| 03:23.47 | Sauvin | You're going to need a very expensive lawyer if your users find out their privacy has been invaded. |
| 03:23.50 | simonrvn | phil2: remind me not to *ever* go near one of your sites |
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| 03:23.55 | jim | phil2: yeah... want to pay for 10 hours? or 1000 hours? ;) |
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| 03:24.22 | phil2 | Does any matter what ssh provider you use. Most of them keeps logs on your activities. |
| 03:24.50 | simonrvn | there's keylogging, and there's normal system activity. huge difference |
| 03:25.02 | Sauvin | The only "logs of activities" I know of would be bash history and browser history. |
| 03:25.19 | simonrvn | auth.log, and last and friends too |
| 03:25.39 | simonrvn | that's what i was thinking about |
| 03:25.46 | Sauvin | I don't know about those, but those, too, if I understand them properly, would be normal and expected. |
| 03:25.51 | jim | here's a different question but along the same lines: |
| 03:25.58 | Sauvin | Anything BEYOND that would be invasion. |
| 03:26.06 | simonrvn | i would only check someone's bash history if i suspected them of doing something not kosher |
| 03:26.09 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 03:26.30 | Sauvin | And thus grounds for very expensive civil suit. |
| 03:27.18 | jim | is there a daemon that watches ssh connections for things like dictionary attacks and starts denying the ip the access? |
| 03:27.24 | simonrvn | *AND* if it turned out they were ok, then i would keep the info i did see private and quiet. that's just fricking respect. |
| 03:27.33 | phil2 | Let me sue me. They where told and had the option to use my service or not. |
| 03:27.38 | simonrvn | Sauvin: what would? |
| 03:27.55 | simonrvn | phil2: don't expect too many users then ;) |
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| 03:28.15 | Supaplex | jim: fail2ban |
| 03:28.16 | jim | phil2: oh, so you -will- tell them... that could be a different story |
| 03:28.23 | simonrvn | oh, the "Anything BEYOND..." |
| 03:28.26 | Sauvin | phil2, tell your users they're going to be keylogged or face possible court time. |
| 03:28.53 | wols | simonrvn: have you seen how carely people are with their privacy? you are too naive |
| 03:29.07 | jim | Supaplex: thanks, looking into it |
| 03:29.09 | phil2 | I only keep a log of the connections. If I get a complaint from my isp against one of my users then I start a more advanved logging procedure. |
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| 03:29.19 | Sauvin | wols: that argument would hold no water in court. |
| 03:29.22 | simonrvn | wols: yes i have, and i'm not |
| 03:29.51 | simonrvn | fail2ban, and denyhosts |
| 03:30.04 | wols | simonrvn: he wouldn't have you as user (or moe) but there are enough willing I suppose |
| 03:30.16 | jim | denyhosts is needed for fail2ban? |
| 03:30.25 | Sauvin | (hrm... keeping a log of connexions would not be unusual, would it?) |
| 03:30.28 | wols | Sauvin: non sequitur |
| 03:30.35 | Supaplex | screw fail2ban. iptables -m recent ftw |
| 03:30.37 | simonrvn | no, as per your choice |
| 03:30.37 | wols | Sauvin: no, ít does this by default |
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| 03:34.49 | Lovia | !hlep |
| 03:34.49 | dpkg | fi yu ned typng skillz, dont ask heer |
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| 03:35.01 | Lovia | !help |
| 03:35.50 | kgoetz | Lovia: do you hav a problem? |
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| 03:38.06 | Lovia | kgoetz: en...there is some problem in kde-window-decoration |
| 03:39.33 | Lovia | the so was no found...i google the info,it seem like a bug in kde4 or compiz... |
| 03:39.48 | Lovia | how can i fix it? |
| 03:40.36 | kgoetz | Lovia: if theres a bug, it may not be easily fixable... |
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| 03:40.56 | Lovia | :( |
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| 03:42.35 | grendal_prime | hey..anyone know how to set up the kde graphical greeter to log me into another machine? |
| 03:42.51 | grendal_prime | i cant seem to find any coherent howto on this... |
| 03:43.46 | netdaemon | cupsys broken for any of you guys? |
| 03:43.57 | netdaemon | on sid |
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| 03:53.28 | grendal_prime | on sid? |
| 03:53.28 | grendal_prime | not me..but then im not using sid...it could be that you are using sid |
| 03:53.38 | grendal_prime | anybody home? |
| 03:54.04 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 03:54.10 | netdaemon | localhost:631 not responding |
| 03:54.52 | kgoetz | netdaemon: tryed restartin cups? |
| 03:55.44 | Rusty1 | grendal_prime: http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/Remote-desktop-ftopict414110.html not sure that's what yer after |
| 03:56.06 | netdaemon | kgoetz, still no go =( |
| 03:56.26 | grand_grunt | netdaemon: I've see a not responding on cups with an Debian Etch |
| 03:56.37 | netdaemon | grand_grunt, its debian sid |
| 03:56.38 | netdaemon | lol |
| 03:56.39 | kgoetz | netdaemon: check your logs |
| 03:56.45 | grand_grunt | indead |
| 03:56.50 | grand_grunt | deed |
| 03:56.56 | jim | and log your checks! |
| 03:57.39 | grand_grunt | Same problem : cups not responding even if restarted, and everything allright |
| 03:58.01 | netdaemon | well i don't see anything in the logs so far |
| 03:58.20 | netdaemon | ahaha |
| 03:58.34 | netdaemon | unable to bind socket for adress 127.0.0.1:631 |
| 03:58.40 | netdaemon | Address already in use |
| 03:58.46 | phorce1 | log checks -- crap ... /me needs to run the legacy billing system before midnight. Thanks Jim :-) |
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| 04:00.20 | mtc | hi all |
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| 04:00.43 | mtc | I want to make a new partition from the free space with a commandline tool |
| 04:00.50 | mtc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.11 | grand_grunt | mtc: man fdisk? |
| 04:02.18 | Rusty1 | mtc: man parted perhaps |
| 04:02.28 | mtc | grand_grunt, well dint help |
| 04:02.45 | mtc | Rusty1, I can go with it by a command? |
| 04:03.05 | mtc | grand_grunt, looking an man did not help me |
| 04:03.24 | mtc | my broblem is, that I have to write with dd to the hardrive |
| 04:03.31 | jim | !grounding |
| 04:03.31 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 04:03.33 | mtc | the rest should become partiton 2 |
| 04:04.07 | johndbritton | is anyone able to interpret this "kernel: agpgart-via: probe of 0000:00:00.0 failed with error -22" |
| 04:04.10 | johndbritton | i've been googling |
| 04:04.47 | grand_grunt | mtc: are you meaning an auto command such as in a script? |
| 04:04.54 | jim | johndbritton: take a look at the top of the source file for agpgart-via |
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| 04:05.28 | mtc | grand_grunt, well I'm writing a bash script and I'll lime to integrate such a command |
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| 04:06.07 | grand_grunt | mtc: Ouch Ok, I thank you were talking about hand using.. |
| 04:06.08 | mtc | it only has to create a partition 2 from the whole free space |
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| 04:06.49 | mtc | grand_grunt, it seems only fdisk makes sense |
| 04:07.37 | mtc | I can create a whole set, but if it comes to create just one partition form the rest, it stucks |
| 04:07.42 | mtc | me too :( |
| 04:08.15 | mtc | I'm trying to set up a very lovely debian Box |
| 04:08.31 | mtc | but this coding is killing me |
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| 04:08.47 | netdaemon | reboot fixed it |
| 04:08.49 | netdaemon | oddly enough |
| 04:08.53 | enouf | johndbritton: you get anything returned with this? grep agpgart-via /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep ? |
| 04:09.17 | johndbritton | nothing |
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| 04:09.58 | enouf | me neither .. are you sure you're not booted to some obscure kernel? where'd that error come from? |
| 04:10.20 | jim | uname -r |
| 04:10.22 | enouf | mtc: use sfdisk the examples section, cake, done |
| 04:10.39 | johndbritton | syslog |
| 04:10.41 | mtc | enouf, tried and failed |
| 04:10.46 | mtc | thx anyway |
| 04:10.48 | enouf | try harder |
| 04:10.56 | mtc | enouf, :) |
| 04:11.04 | jim | mtc: gotta learn sometime... |
| 04:11.06 | johndbritton | !pastebin |
| 04:11.06 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 04:11.31 | johndbritton | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/Hlrtf327.html |
| 04:11.36 | enouf | johndbritton: just so you know, you can do /msg dpkg pastebin (for example) |
| 04:12.02 | mtc | well, after hours of trying I'm just exhausted |
| 04:12.13 | johndbritton | ah |
| 04:12.16 | johndbritton | did not know |
| 04:12.55 | jim | mtc: ohh, so the problem is a different one :) |
| 04:12.57 | enouf | johndbritton: see line 21 ? perhaps your video card is frying? dead? |
| 04:13.15 | mtc | jim, what comes now? |
| 04:13.18 | jim | get some rest and try again tomorrow |
| 04:13.20 | grendal_prime | ya Rusty1 thats what im looking for but those instructions do not work |
| 04:13.36 | enouf | johndbritton: tell us kernel version cat /proc/version |
| 04:13.45 | johndbritton | i looked at agpgart.h to find what error 022 is |
| 04:13.45 | johndbritton | -22 |
| 04:14.05 | johndbritton | Linux version 2.6.18-6-k7 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:16:15 UTC 2008 |
| 04:14.16 | jim | was it in there? |
| 04:14.20 | grendal_prime | i like the simplified piping it through ssh, but the problem is that the kdm is running so i just get an error about how kde is alreasd running in that session. if i knew how to start kde in session 2 i guess that would work |
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| 04:14.44 | grand_grunt | mtc: man parted may help you.. parted comes with a "-s" (script) command to disable user prompting. |
| 04:15.26 | mtc | grand_grunt, o.k thx let me have a look at it |
| 04:15.28 | jim | mtc: probably you're not used to linux yet |
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| 04:15.34 | grendal_prime | im looking at the man for kdestart..its probale in there thanks Rusty1 |
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| 04:16.13 | grand_grunt | jim: nobody is used to Linux, if that means "know everything about it" |
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| 04:16.25 | enouf | wow, one reference to agpgart-via http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/drivers/char/agp/via-agp.c#L533 |
| 04:16.31 | mtc | jim, well i've been trying since yeahs but I never had go that deep |
| 04:17.14 | enouf | johndbritton: ^^^^^ look up, and for shits and giggles, install the latest i686 kernel and try that |
| 04:17.30 | Phil4 | hi guys, I'm using iptables to log inbound UDP packets in an effort to find the source of some recent UDP DOS attacks however, in my log file, I get "Mar 17 05:00:02 server1 last message repeated 39 times" |
| 04:17.46 | Phil4 | is there any way to make it repeat the line rather than do that ^^? |
| 04:17.51 | enouf | !k7 |
| 04:17.51 | dpkg | [k7] the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 04:17.58 | enouf | !k7 dropped |
| 04:17.58 | dpkg | methinks k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 04:18.32 | enouf | johndbritton: ^^^^^^ -- gah, i guess not for etch - but then that shows a fairly reecent kernel |
| 04:18.42 | stiv2k_ | if i make a .tar.gz archive of /home lets say, and inside /home there are mount points to OTHER filesystems, is tar going to go through that and archive all of that aswell? |
| 04:18.55 | johndbritton | enouf: what is the recommended way of installing the latest kerel |
| 04:19.01 | johndbritton | i thought what I had was fairly recent |
| 04:19.06 | enouf | johndbritton: still have your pre 2/10/2008 k7 about? |
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| 04:19.25 | enouf | johndbritton: do you notice any relation to that date and time that errors started? |
| 04:19.36 | enouf | are you following me here? |
| 04:19.47 | johndbritton | enouf: truthfully, no |
| 04:19.52 | johndbritton | enouf: somewhat |
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| 04:20.13 | enouf | !fix johndbritton |
| 04:20.13 | dpkg | takes johndbritton to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 04:20.16 | johndbritton | a little more detail might bring me up to speed |
| 04:20.24 | johndbritton | lol |
| 04:20.46 | enouf | johndbritton: when FIRST did you notice segfault/segv errors of any kind |
| 04:20.49 | enouf | ? |
| 04:20.51 | jim | johndbritton: try to match the pattern... when exactly did it stop working? |
| 04:20.52 | johndbritton | today |
| 04:21.03 | jim | what did you do today? |
| 04:21.07 | enouf | you said it occurs RANDOMLY |
| 04:21.13 | johndbritton | but that doesn't mean thats when they started |
| 04:21.19 | enouf | how could you encompass that into 24 hours? |
| 04:21.31 | johndbritton | the only reason i touched this machine today was to investigate failing backups |
| 04:21.32 | enouf | pounds head on desk |
| 04:21.42 | johndbritton | which have been failing randomly... for a few months |
| 04:21.43 | johndbritton | i can get the exact date from emails |
| 04:21.45 | johndbritton | just a sec |
| 04:21.46 | jim | johndbritton: try to match the pattern... when exactly did it stop working? |
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| 04:22.17 | _ZeuZ_ | iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -p tcp ! --syn -m state --state NEW -j MARK --set-mark 1 ::::::::::::::::::: Would that mark SYN packets as 1 ? |
| 04:22.36 | Guerin | _ZeuZ_: #iptables |
| 04:22.45 | enouf | johndbritton: i find it best to let you(generic you) sort through the info provided, given time - you will see a connection, and more detail |
| 04:23.04 | Rusty1 | http://www.owlriver.com/tips/gdm-setup/remotexkdm.html grendal_prime maybe some hints there, i just googled kdm remote login and found the previous post |
| 04:23.07 | _ZeuZ_ | Guerin: Nobody responding... |
| 04:23.41 | enouf | johndbritton: also /msg dpkg bts and search for that kernel and errors |
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| 04:24.53 | Guerin | _ZeuZ_: patience is a virtue. |
| 04:25.02 | Guerin | _ZeuZ_: the other thing you can do is suck and see. |
| 04:25.07 | johndbritton | enouf: backup failures as follows 12/29/07 12/30/07 1/11/08 1/23/08 1/28/08 1/30/08 2/6/08 2/9/08 2/16/08 2/20/08 2/22/08 2/23/08 2/24/08 2/26/08 3/4/08 3/9/08 3/12/08 3/13/08 3/15/08 |
| 04:25.28 | Guerin | johndbritton: christ, use sane dates, please |
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| 04:26.08 | _ZeuZ_ | Guerin: yes, though I just doubt on the ! before --syn |
| 04:26.16 | jim | so the first failure was 2007-12-29 |
| 04:26.23 | johndbritton | yes |
| 04:26.24 | chuck | when is the next version of debian coming out? |
| 04:26.26 | chuck | is it called lenny? |
| 04:26.29 | Guerin | chuck: when it's ready |
| 04:26.39 | chuck | nixeagle: you're everywhere, aren't you? :-P |
| 04:26.43 | jim | b b b benny! |
| 04:26.46 | chuck | Guerin: so no timeframe? |
| 04:26.58 | Guerin | chuck: none worth relying upon. |
| 04:27.08 | Guerin | !lenny |
| 04:27.08 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wir> <rsn> and <siyh>). |
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| 04:27.30 | Guerin | !lenny pool |
| 04:27.30 | dpkg | [lenny pool] Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 04:27.39 | chuck | hahaha |
| 04:27.41 | Guerin | prace your bets! |
| 04:27.45 | kgoetz | hehehe |
| 04:27.50 | chuck | !listkeys lenny pool |
| 04:27.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'lenny pool' by key (2): lenny pool 1 ;; lenny pool. |
| 04:27.57 | jim | pace your bretz! |
| 04:27.57 | chuck | !lenny bet |
| 04:27.57 | dpkg | to add a bet to the lenny pool, /msg dpkg lenny pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when lenny pool 1 is filled create lenny pool 2 and update this factoid. |
| 04:28.12 | chuck | funny :P |
| 04:28.36 | Guerin | dpkg, lenny pool 1 =~ s/!/! Guerin=20090313/ |
| 04:28.36 | dpkg | Guerin: that doesn't contain '!' |
| 04:28.42 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:28.51 | Guerin | dpkg, lenny pool 1 |
| 04:28.51 | dpkg | well, lenny pool 1 is abrotman chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, streuner=2009-06-15 |
| 04:28.54 | jim | can't tell the horse without a scorecard... get yer scorecards here... |
| 04:29.35 | enouf | johndbritton: those are backup failure, which may or may not be relevant to what i'm saying |
| 04:29.36 | Guerin | dpkg, lenny pool 1 =~ s/abrotman/!/ |
| 04:29.36 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 04:29.39 | Guerin | dpkg, lenny pool 1 =~ s/!/! Guerin=20090313/ |
| 04:29.40 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 04:29.41 | Sauvin | What do you suppose an .xtm file would be? |
| 04:29.47 | johndbritton | enouf: agreed |
| 04:29.48 | Guerin | Sauvin: one you can google |
| 04:30.00 | Sauvin | Very funny. |
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| 04:30.07 | Guerin | 'it's not a joke. |
| 04:30.09 | johndbritton | however, about the same time i started getting random crashes |
| 04:30.18 | johndbritton | and I'd just reboot the machine and thins would go on |
| 04:30.33 | johndbritton | but its been much more common in the past couple days |
| 04:30.34 | johndbritton | (week) |
| 04:30.49 | Sauvin | Google isn't turning it up, and it appears to be a zip- or rar-like thing. |
| 04:30.50 | Guerin | johndbritton: try to match the times to events in syslog |
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| 04:30.56 | enouf | johndbritton: would usually indicate failing hardware, from those symptoms alone |
| 04:31.18 | Guerin | Sauvin: google xtm file format; first hit |
| 04:31.20 | enouf | johndbritton: are those automated cron backups? manually done? |
| 04:31.21 | johndbritton | enouf: i got the DC to replace the RAM |
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| 04:31.26 | Guerin | Sauvin: thanks for playing |
| 04:31.31 | johndbritton | automated rdiff-backup by cron |
| 04:31.40 | enouf | johndbritton: that's one component amongst a few thousand ;-) |
| 04:31.51 | enouf | (serviceable) .. millions really |
| 04:32.01 | Sauvin | That "first hit" was useless to me. |
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| 04:32.12 | johndbritton | enouf: and they tested the HDD... so now i just have to get them to give me a new mobo |
| 04:32.12 | johndbritton | et al |
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| 04:32.25 | Guerin | Sauvin: well, it tells you what the file is. If you want a different answer, I recommend you ask a different question. |
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| 04:32.58 | Sauvin | Yes, I'd like an answer that fits the file, but I guess asking here is a mistake. |
| 04:32.58 | johndbritton | enouf: when you were asking about the older kernel... do you know the version number of what you were asking about |
| 04:32.59 | enouf | johndbritton: can you explain who's paying for all of this? that might save some pain, for you, us, and whoever |
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| 04:33.19 | johndbritton | enouf: i am |
| 04:33.30 | enouf | johndbritton: you don't remember upgrading? look in /boot/ for vmlinuz.versions |
| 04:33.49 | enouf | johndbritton: grep vmlinuz /boot |
| 04:33.55 | johndbritton | yeah im there |
| 04:34.02 | Guerin | Sauvin: asking stupid questions here is always a mistake, |
| 04:34.03 | enouf | johndbritton: grep initrd /boot |
| 04:34.06 | johndbritton | all i have is 2.6.18 |
| 04:34.16 | enouf | johndbritton: grep -i system.map /boot |
| 04:34.18 | johndbritton | -4 -k7 |
| 04:34.32 | Sauvin | Guerin, aren't you supposed to be taking some pills? |
| 04:34.32 | enouf | johndbritton: without 3 of each for each kernel, .. yeah |
| 04:34.33 | johndbritton | 5-k7 and 6-k7 |
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| 04:35.08 | Guerin | Sauvin: certainly not. It's St Paddy's day, though, and I could do with a pint of stout |
| 04:35.27 | enouf | johndbritton: well, when was he jump from 4-5? and am i correct the jump from 5-6 was ~ 2008/2/10 ? |
| 04:35.29 | Sauvin | Mmm... ale.... yea, that's an idea. |
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| 04:35.57 | enouf | johndbritton: how's the BTS ? turning up anything? |
| 04:36.03 | johndbritton | enouf: i couldn't tell you when |
| 04:36.14 | johndbritton | im searching |
| 04:37.09 | dontpanic | I'm having a bit of a problem. I installed windows on a sata disk to test something, then put that disk as sata2 and put my debian disk back as sata1. Now debian doesn't seem to be detecting sata2 at all (in gparted or fdisk), but it's detected in the bios settings. I'm guessing the windows installation did something wierd to it. Is there some way to completely blank out the disk or atleast get it detected by gparted or fdisk? |
| 04:37.51 | Sauvin | guerin, gots your xtm "first hit" here: http://xtremsplit.fr/ |
| 04:38.07 | enouf | johndbritton: $ sudo zgrep linux-image /var/log/dpkg.log.* |
| 04:38.53 | Guerin | dontpanic: I doubt there is any connection between those two things (installing windows and losing sata2) |
| 04:39.41 | Guerin | Sauvin: my first hit is filext.com/file-extension/XTM |
| 04:39.53 | johndbritton | enouf: output -> http://pastebin.ca/945755 |
| 04:40.02 | Sauvin | Yes, I saw that, and it was inapplicable. |
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| 04:40.21 | Guerin | well, that's what a .xtm file seems to be. Otherwise, use file(1) |
| 04:40.26 | enouf | dontpanic: what does "then put that disk as sata2 and put my debian disk back as sata1. " even mean exactly? |
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| 04:41.01 | kwame | Hi, how can I add a dictionary to my evolution install? i'm using lenny |
| 04:41.04 | enouf | Sauvin: use xxd or something and grep the header a bit |
| 04:41.23 | enouf | Sauvin: if you need try photorec from testdisk |
| 04:41.42 | johndbritton | enouf: so it looks like 2/16 |
| 04:41.47 | Sauvin | enouf, I think I'm going to do that because this format is apparently relatively unknown. |
| 04:41.49 | dontpanic | enouf: I unplugged my debian disk and put the blank disk that was at sata2 on sata1 to install windows. Then when I got that working I put the windows one back on sata2 and the debian one back on sata1 |
| 04:41.52 | Guerin | kwame: aptitude search dictionary; install the one you want. It'll probably use your locale to select the right one, so make that's set correctly too. |
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| 04:42.23 | Guerin | photorec probably won't know xtm |
| 04:42.28 | Guerin | it only knows a few formats |
| 04:42.30 | johndbritton | !beer enouf |
| 04:42.30 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for enouf |
| 04:42.33 | Sauvin | file just gives 'data' |
| 04:42.45 | Guerin | Sauvin: what's the source of the file? |
| 04:42.53 | Sauvin | French newsgroups. |
| 04:43.06 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:43.18 | Sauvin | It's an avi file, I think, once it's un-xtm'd. |
| 04:43.21 | enouf | johndbritton: erm, you upgraded to -5 afterwards |
| 04:43.25 | Guerin | joke(1980s,communication medium) |
| 04:43.38 | enouf | johndbritton: or both at once |
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| 04:43.43 | Guerin | Sauvin: try playing it in mplayer without unpacking it |
| 04:43.53 | Guerin | mplayer is pretty good at that sort of thing |
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| 04:44.00 | Sauvin | It is? |
| 04:44.13 | noosphere | hey all - is there a way to submit a password to pam_cracklib.so at the commandline to check for complexity compliance before commiting the password change? |
| 04:44.25 | Sauvin | I shouldn't be surprised, I suppose. mplayer has played EVERYTHING I've chucked at it. |
| 04:44.27 | Guerin | it'll play a video file inside a rar archive in some cases, without unarchiving |
| 04:44.43 | enouf | johndbritton: dpkg -l liniux-image-* pastebin |
| 04:44.48 | enouf | johndbritton: dpkg -l linux-image-* pastebin |
| 04:44.48 | Guerin | noosphere: that's an awesomely bad idea |
| 04:44.56 | Sauvin | Where the !@#$@#% is the 1@#$@#%# "telechargez" button on this !@#$@%# page!? |
| 04:45.02 | johndbritton | enouf: i didn't explicetly do the upgrade ... just apt-get upgrade periodically |
| 04:45.05 | johndbritton | which i guess is when i did it |
| 04:45.10 | enouf | Guerin: a few formats? |
| 04:45.16 | Guerin | enouf: eh? |
| 04:45.26 | enouf | read the list of known formats lately? |
| 04:45.44 | Guerin | enouf: yeah, it's a few more than a few. But it's nothing compared to the number of formats there are. |
| 04:45.50 | johndbritton | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/945763 |
| 04:46.04 | Sauvin | Oh, here's a laugh... xtremsplit "requires" Ubunty Edgy 32 bits. |
| 04:46.24 | Guerin | french newsgroups fail |
| 04:46.40 | Sauvin | I guess you're not French. |
| 04:46.51 | Guerin | a good guess |
| 04:47.09 | noosphere | Guerin, I am developing an application that utilises a unique auth database in mysql, but want to password to comply with the settings in PAM |
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| 04:48.23 | Guerin | noosphere: the trouble with passing a password on the command line is that it's visible in cleartext. |
| 04:48.37 | noosphere | Guerin, i take the point |
| 04:48.49 | noosphere | i will go look for python PAM libraries |
| 04:49.03 | Guerin | noosphere: you could probably write a pam library for it. They're not that hard. |
| 04:49.18 | enouf | johndbritton: why in your last pastebin about dpkg.log does it show -5 in lines 1 through 10 ? oh i see, you upgraded to -5 on 2008/02/16 and then to -6 later that day .. so same day from -4 --> -6 .. i say reboot into -4 and see what happens |
| 04:49.23 | noosphere | Guerin, cheers. |
| 04:50.11 | enouf | really odd log when comparing to your backup failures |
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| 04:50.45 | enouf | dontpanic: sata2 generally implies the protocol not the position - i was thinking protocol |
| 04:51.23 | Guerin | yeah, me too |
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| 04:52.02 | enouf | johndbritton: grep "security.debian.org" /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:52.52 | johndbritton | http://pastebin.ca/945776 |
| 04:53.09 | johndbritton | etch/updates main no-free |
| 04:53.11 | johndbritton | non |
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| 04:54.26 | dontpanic | oh |
| 04:54.44 | dontpanic | Any ideas how I could just completely wipe the disk? |
| 04:55.11 | enouf | johndbritton: if you can get aptitude to work, might i suggest a complete "dist-upgrade" -- make certain only etch (or stable) are uncommented or exisitng in sources.list -- you might have a half-broken upgrade or something, though i'm still thinking hardware, it won't hurt to dist-upgrade etch - so update and dist-upgrade |
| 04:55.41 | enouf | Javid: /msg dpkg sarge->etch (just in case you never cleanly came up fully from sarge) |
| 04:55.54 | Javid | what |
| 04:55.55 | enouf | Javid: /msg dpkg mmap (just for more shits and giggles) |
| 04:56.01 | enouf | fuck |
| 04:56.19 | Javid | I believe your psychic issue detector is mistuned sir |
| 04:56.23 | enouf | johndbritton: see my last 2 messages meant for you, not Javid |
| 04:56.37 | Javid | :] |
| 04:56.39 | enouf | Javid: apologies :-P |
| 04:56.42 | Javid | ^^ |
| 04:56.49 | johndbritton | enouf: this was a etch only box |
| 04:56.57 | Javid | hey, I got help without asking, normally I ask and get no help, this is a net gain |
| 04:57.01 | Javid | :v |
| 04:57.11 | johndbritton | enouf: also i tried apt-get dist-upgrade nothing to be upgraded |
| 04:57.35 | enouf | my brain works better when not typing .. as you can see, issues arise when i don't allocate enough neurons for keybopard :-P |
| 04:58.00 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.04 | Supaplex | my .config says CONFIG_NET_FC=y - so where's my fcN network devices? lpfc is loaded, and the arbitrated loop shows a heartbeat etc |
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| 04:58.19 | jescis | enouf: I'm back |
| 04:58.23 | enouf | johndbritton: and it would also appear you're mixing aptitude and apt-get |
| 04:58.30 | enouf | jescis: wonderful |
| 04:58.34 | enouf | no .. gtfo |
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| 04:58.36 | johndbritton | enouf: is mixing the two a problem? |
| 04:58.38 | enouf | :-P |
| 04:58.55 | enouf | johndbritton: it used to be a big one - i've left that behind - see BTS |
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| 05:00.30 | Supaplex | lpfndd ?! uhmm humm |
| 05:00.34 | enouf | johndbritton: you have a lot to absorb now, reorganize and try - and search and reboot into various kernel, do not try to downgrade software though .. so, also chekc earlier syslogs for other errors |
| 05:00.43 | karatorian | Any idea why my mouse (PS/2) would stop working when I plug a thumb drive into a USB port? |
| 05:00.43 | enouf | (or same ones) |
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| 05:00.50 | johndbritton | enouf: will do |
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| 05:01.11 | Sauvin | Well, that settles that. I downloaded xtremsplit, but it won't unpack the .xtm files, and the .xtm files ARE Xtremsplit output. Says so right there in their headers. |
| 05:01.12 | Supaplex | gah. |
| 05:01.13 | johndbritton | just when i thought i knew what i was doing ;) |
| 05:01.25 | jescis | enouf: If I could find the reason I don't have a frame buffer from google I would. But I haven't found a page that could really help. :( |
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| 05:01.41 | ahmadnassri | any exim gurus around ? |
| 05:01.46 | enouf | karatorian: cat /proc/bus/input/devices .. see your mouse? |
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| 05:01.55 | johndbritton | enouf: thanks again for all the help! |
| 05:02.02 | enouf | johndbritton: ok, np |
| 05:02.48 | jescis | enouf: also you did ask for at least two of those three pastes. |
| 05:03.14 | enouf | perhaps, but i asked for more relevant ones, lsmod and lspci -nn and others |
| 05:03.36 | Dreamlinux | hi dudes! |
| 05:04.24 | Sauvin | ... oh. You have to specify 'type' - it won't do that by itself. This means you have to use xxd to look at the header to supply for the stupid program what it should have been able to see for itself. |
| 05:04.27 | jescis | I might as well get pclos :/ |
| 05:05.09 | Sauvin | Must be a Windows thing. |
| 05:05.45 | karatorian | enouf: Yeah, it's there. Hold on, I'll plug in the drive and see if it goes away. |
| 05:06.10 | enouf | karatorian: run udevmonitor too |
| 05:06.49 | enouf | karatorian: you mean it starts working again when you unplug you usb thing? |
| 05:06.58 | enouf | wtf? mention that ffs |
| 05:07.11 | enouf | my fucken back hurts .. dammit |
| 05:07.31 | karatorian | No. I rebooted to get the mouse working again and haven't pluged the USB drive in since. |
| 05:08.16 | karatorian | Oh, and I'm not running a udev kernel. So udevmonitor won't help. |
| 05:08.28 | Sauvin | Who the !@#$ puts a '?' in a filename!? |
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| 05:09.41 | enouf | karatorian: When that happens again try this ; unplug the mouse physically, drop to tty, login as root, modprobe -r psmouse and mousedev, then plug in ps/2 mouse physically, then modprobe them in reverse (mousedev 1st), then check with /proc/bus/input/devices |
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| 05:09.55 | enouf | karatorian: When it works, after modprobing psmouse, you'll see this; input : ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as /class/input/inputX (or similar) |
| 05:10.20 | enouf | great |
| 05:10.58 | enouf | i wonder where that pos kernel came from, rofl - and udev isn't in the kernel |
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| 05:11.12 | jescis | enouf: You said nothing about lsmod or lspci or anything else. You did though asked for udevs output. |
| 05:11.29 | enouf | (though obviously it hooks into it, as do most userspace apps, one way or another) |
| 05:12.16 | Sauvin | Guerin, enouf, make a note: xtm files might be Xtremsplit files, which appear to just be files that were split by some Windows utility. There IS a Linux version, and it works, but this whole thing is more work than it's worth. I would ask you advise people to seek alternative resources. |
| 05:12.35 | karatorian | After plugging in the drive, the mouse still appears in the list. |
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| 05:13.29 | karatorian | The kernel I'm running was custom built by me and doesn't have modules (everything I need is built in). The reason I'm not running a newer kernel is that joystick devices are buggered in udev. |
| 05:13.35 | jescis | but I did do lsmod just now. And here it is: http://pastebin.ca/945787 |
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| 05:14.07 | enouf | oh really? [20:51:32] <enouf> jescis: are you using nvidiafb or something screwy too? pastebin lsmod, lspci -nn, and /etc/modules output and [20:53:42] <enouf> jescis: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-all | tail -1 |
| 05:14.26 | enouf | too fucken late you weenie |
| 05:15.05 | Guerin | dpkg, xtm is xtremsplit files, which appear to just be files that were split by some Windows utility. There IS a Linux version, and it works, but this whole thing is more work than it's worth. |
| 05:15.05 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 05:15.09 | jescis | Oh :( |
| 05:15.09 | Guerin | Sauvin: thank you. |
| 05:15.39 | Sauvin | Ah, no, thank YOU. You may have just saved somebody some grief. |
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| 05:15.47 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | When configuring Sleeping and Hibernation, are Services the stuff in /etc/init.d/ and modules the modprobes? |
| 05:16.00 | Sauvin | This is why I said "very funny" when you came at me with a Google autoreply. |
| 05:16.14 | jescis | wonders if there's a pclos channel :/ |
| 05:16.15 | Guerin | Sauvin: if only someone had done the googwork\ before you came in, eh? |
| 05:16.27 | Sauvin | I was hoping somebody had, yes. |
| 05:16.29 | Guerin | !beer Sauvin |
| 05:16.29 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Piraat for Sauvin |
| 05:16.30 | ricosecada | I have managed to get my debian-sys-maint user deleted on my mysql installation. I have tried removing mysql using purge and re-installing, but that doesn't help. How should I deal with this? |
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| 05:17.00 | Sauvin | I mean, if somebody comes in and asks "what's a tar file", I'd say "yea, you need to do some reading around, fella", but said person would be justified in hoping for a more meaningful link. |
| 05:17.44 | Sauvin | Now, for my next question: why the ${f-word} would anybody want to use such an unknown and troublesome format? |
| 05:17.59 | Guerin | Sauvin: stupid people are stupid. |
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| 05:18.13 | Sauvin | Must be a Windows thing. |
| 05:18.28 | Guerin | same reason people use rar to distribute already-compressed video files |
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| 05:18.41 | Supaplex | net/802/fc.c says fc%d would be the device name. grep says /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-vserver-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/lpfc/lpfc.ko contains this string. why does ifconfig -a not show a network interface for it? lpfc is loaded (use count is 0). lspci -nn shows 00:0a.0 Fibre Channel [0c04]: Emulex Corporation LP8000 Fibre Channel Host Adapter [10df:f800] (rev 02) |
| 05:19.28 | Sauvin | Feh, I suspect in this case rar is just used as a fancy filesplitter, but at least rar is a well-known format and widely supported. |
| 05:19.34 | Sauvin | And... it's reliable. |
| 05:19.35 | jescis | enouf: I'm tired of debian being so hard for me to get right. Ubuntu never gave me this problem. :( |
| 05:19.58 | enouf | Supaplex: no iface specified in /sys/class/net/* for it? |
| 05:20.08 | Guerin | Sauvin: this is broadly true. But it's still non-free. |
| 05:20.13 | enouf | Supaplex: what's lshal say about your device thingy? |
| 05:20.37 | enouf | jescis: it's ok, we forgive you |
| 05:20.39 | Sauvin | suspects a great many of the rar files he's seen on the newsgroups come from people who don't concern themselves overmuch with what's free and what's non-free |
| 05:23.50 | Supaplex | enouf: nope. http://rafb.net/p/oaHlPW54.html |
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| 05:23.59 | jescis | forgive me? for what? not having a perfect debian install? For installing debian on a machine that has hardware that seems not to be funcioning on debian for some unknown even to God reason? |
| 05:24.18 | enouf | Supaplex: even my .16 kernel pci.map shows the lpfc 0x000010df 0x0000f800 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
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| 05:24.37 | Supaplex | enouf: lpfc is loaded |
| 05:25.07 | Supaplex | I have two machines I'm looking at right now, and the symptoms are identical |
| 05:25.24 | Supaplex | stock etch kernel -i686 |
| 05:25.26 | Obligatory | Do any standard hex/octal dump *nix utils take their typical output as input and convert it back to binary? |
| 05:25.28 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.37 | enouf | yeah, i know, you said that |
| 05:25.42 | Supaplex | yup /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-vserver-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/lpfc/lpfc.ko |
| 05:26.16 | Supaplex | it's suppose to do ip too. I vaguely remember setting up ip on it before |
| 05:26.44 | Sauvin | Obligatory, what are you trying to ask, now? |
| 05:26.59 | enouf | Supaplex: dont you have to bring up or configure an iface for it? anything in dmesg? |
| 05:27.00 | Supaplex | http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:YgKFzTHyj9QJ:docs.hp.com/en/9322/sw_a7298_ig.pdf+%22CONFIG_NET_FC%3Dy%22+ifconfig&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a talks about loading the driver manually (doc is too old to be accurate on device names) |
| 05:27.11 | Supaplex | ifconfig -a has nothing for it |
| 05:27.21 | Supaplex | just my lo, eth0 |
| 05:27.24 | enouf | Supaplex: that's not how you assign one |
| 05:27.36 | enouf | that displays current up ifaces |
| 05:27.50 | Supaplex | ifconfig -a |
| 05:27.52 | enouf | are you missing sit0? |
| 05:28.08 | Supaplex | sit0 is there, just not up |
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| 05:28.15 | enouf | $ ifconfig -a | grep sit0 |
| 05:28.15 | enouf | sit0 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 |
| 05:28.49 | Supaplex | the encap would be ipv[46]:fc |
| 05:28.52 | enouf | Supaplex: do you need some accompanying scsi modules? |
| 05:28.53 | Supaplex | if anything... |
| 05:29.24 | enouf | $ grep lpfc /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/modules.dep |
| 05:29.27 | Obligatory | Sauvin, one step at a time: take something like 'echo hello | od', and you'd get an octal dump, right? |
| 05:29.28 | enouf | /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/lpfc/lpfc.ko: /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/scsi_transport_fc.ko /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/scsi_mod.ko |
| 05:29.37 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/1A0Tjh77.html |
| 05:29.37 | enouf | dependencies |
| 05:29.47 | enouf | Supaplex: look up |
| 05:29.56 | Supaplex | loaded, loaded, and loaded |
| 05:30.04 | enouf | i suck |
| 05:30.25 | jescis | enouf: No, I suck |
| 05:30.28 | Supaplex | modinfo lpfc didn't poise any clues I caught on to |
| 05:30.33 | Sauvin | Obligatory, yea, if I remember od correctly. |
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| 05:30.54 | enouf | how about now doing man ip or /msg dpkg interfaces or whatever and configure an iface for it |
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| 05:31.26 | Supaplex | man interfaces is of no use w/o a device in /proc/net/dev |
| 05:31.29 | enouf | Supaplex: depmod -a lately? new kernel? -vserver version issue only? |
| 05:31.38 | Sauvin | Obligatory, before we dance around too much, have you looked at xxd? |
| 05:31.56 | Supaplex | I haven't touched this hardware in ~1y or more. stuff changed, and I just left fc offline |
| 05:32.01 | enouf | Supaplex: udevd is running? |
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| 05:32.12 | enouf | Supaplex: hal and dbus installed? |
| 05:32.15 | Supaplex | root 1325 0.0 0.0 2724 1168 ? S<s Mar14 0:00 udevd --daemon |
| 05:32.23 | Lovia | ... |
| 05:32.27 | Obligatory | Sauvin, 'xxd', no never, but I think that'll do it, thanks! |
| 05:32.32 | Supaplex | hal, but not udev |
| 05:32.34 | enouf | udevd passed |
| 05:32.47 | Sauvin | Aha! Glad I could help. |
| 05:32.49 | enouf | Supaplex: see how udev handles ifaces |
| 05:32.50 | Supaplex | riddle has hal+udev |
| 05:32.55 | enouf | !z25 |
| 05:32.55 | dpkg | i guess z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 05:34.01 | enouf | Sauvin: and Obligatory i just find it easier to do xxd /dev/hdc1 | less or similar (or strings or whatever) |
| 05:34.06 | Lovia | the kde-window-decorator report the libkdecorations.so.1 was no found not such file,how can i fix it? |
| 05:34.11 | Supaplex | oh, armada has udev on hold, but it's the same version riddle has. |
| 05:35.11 | Obligatory | enouf, thanks also, that's a good one... |
| 05:35.17 | Sauvin | enouf, when you do that, what are you trying to do? |
| 05:35.19 | enouf | np |
| 05:35.46 | enouf | Sauvin: an example, mostly for grub or partition boot sector info and sucj |
| 05:36.04 | Lovia | !kde-window-decorator |
| 05:36.14 | Supaplex | googles lpfc debian etch interfaces |
| 05:36.19 | Obligatory | Sauvin, I tried it and it's a hex dump with 'less', and it doesn't have to read everything first. |
| 05:36.26 | Lovia | !help |
| 05:36.39 | Sauvin | MMmm, I'll have to remember that. Truthfully, I'd forgotten about using these kinds of utilities for examining file headers until you reminded me. It was a gimme Back in the DOS Day. |
| 05:36.43 | enouf | Sauvin: or even Fibre-Channel (silly incantations) |
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| 05:36.54 | enouf | erm Supaplex |
| 05:36.57 | jim | Lovia: or /msg dpkg help |
| 05:37.12 | jim | Lovia: or /msg dpkg kde-window-decorator |
| 05:37.13 | Sauvin | Obligatory, yes, xxd is a hex dumper, and that's how I use it, but did you look at its man page? |
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| 05:37.27 | Lovia | oh~ths jim |
| 05:37.42 | enouf | Sauvin: strings /proc/kcore | grep Server | less :-P |
| 05:38.03 | cmanns_2 | How can I test drive throughput? |
| 05:38.04 | jim | Lovia: and thank you for considering it. |
| 05:38.09 | cmanns_2 | I have a feeling my drive is slow |
| 05:38.10 | enouf | gah |
| 05:38.14 | Sauvin | shoves a grep server up enouf's kmem |
| 05:38.20 | Obligatory | Sauvin, yes, and saw that it can turn input to binary, exactly what I needed, tnx. |
| 05:38.46 | Obligatory | Sauvin, but I'd never used it before now. |
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| 05:40.29 | Obligatory | cmanns_2, , 'hdparm -t /dev/hda' , where hda is the drive to test. |
| 05:40.39 | cmanns_2 | ah thanks |
| 05:40.45 | enouf | there;s also hexdump -C and such as you found od, but xxd integrates in vim ;-) .. for editing ;-) .. now tjhat said, it will likely bottom out on today's huge GB HDDs |
| 05:40.55 | Sauvin | Obligatory, last month, I did a cd /usr/bin && find -maxdepth 1 -type f | wc -l. I then went out for a few beers. There's just TOO much there. |
| 05:40.57 | cmanns_2 | When I scp a file to the main drive it goes really slow if I scp a file to the other hdd it makes the network time out lol |
| 05:40.59 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | using uswswp, my laptop can hibernate but it fails when going on standby |
| 05:41.02 | cmanns_2 | so its prolly screwed |
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| 05:42.04 | cmanns_2 | http://rafb.net/p/gh7uKB13.html |
| 05:42.06 | cmanns_2 | Hows that? |
| 05:42.08 | Obligatory | Sauvin, wouldn't 'locate' be faster? |
| 05:42.26 | Sauvin | Obligatory, the whole point was just to count FILES in /usr/bin. |
| 05:42.59 | Obligatory | Sauvin, pardon, I missed the '-type f'. |
| 05:43.10 | Sauvin | Nearly five THOUSAND on my system. |
| 05:43.57 | enouf | Lovia: /msg dpkg search , and /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 05:44.00 | Obligatory | Sauvin, I'll try it... it was quick though, 3491. |
| 05:44.20 | Obligatory | Sauvin, is your file system ext3? |
| 05:44.44 | Sauvin | And this is the value of hanging out in linux channels. The sandbox we're playing in is just TOO damn big. |
| 05:44.50 | Sauvin | yes, I'm on ext3. |
| 05:45.28 | enouf | Lovia: seems it's in the "kwin" pkg |
| 05:45.31 | enouf | Lovia: kwin: usr/lib/libkdecorations.so.1 |
| 05:45.34 | Obligatory | And was there a long wait for it that answer (few beer break), right? |
| 05:46.18 | cmanns_2 | ROFL |
| 05:46.21 | cmanns_2 | I did it on the wrong box |
| 05:46.24 | enouf | Lovia: aptitude install kwin ; sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 05:46.27 | Lovia | enouf , i install the kde4...and the kwin runs well... |
| 05:46.34 | enouf | kde4? omg |
| 05:46.38 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 05:46.38 | dpkg | kde4 is probably a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 05:46.55 | Sauvin | No, I went out for a few beers because I was dismayed that I'll never be the master of my own computer. |
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| 05:47.21 | enouf | ponders going down the block for a few |
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| 05:47.46 | enouf | meh, the fridge is closer :-P |
| 05:47.57 | jim | Sauvin: you may or may not master your own computer... but you'll have much less chance if you go for windows |
| 05:48.41 | Sauvin | jim, I may never master Linux, and I may indeed master Windows if I wanted, but... heh... why would I want to go back to payware and spyware that crashes every other day? |
| 05:48.44 | Obligatory | Sauvin, ohhh. I figured you had either much fragments, bad sectors, or had some strange file system setting. My night for jumping to conclusions... |
| 05:49.01 | Sauvin | Obligatory, or my night for not being clear. |
| 05:49.54 | jim | Sauvin: right, I may never master my computer completely on any given os, but I can try to do so without giving BillBaby money or information |
| 05:50.25 | Sauvin | Point is, I may never master it, but my *present* computer does for me everything I want. |
| 05:50.30 | enouf | Supaplex: hrm libata in your vserver is a depends of scsi_mod? |
| 05:50.34 | Sauvin | Maybe that's mastery enough. |
| 05:50.42 | enouf | Supaplex: (or vice versa) |
| 05:50.55 | Supaplex | enouf: meh. sure, whatever. |
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| 05:51.09 | enouf | Supaplex: well, maybe it's futzin up the works ;-) |
| 05:51.19 | Obligatory | If anybody was curious what 'xxd' for tonight, it's so I can demonstrate portable console color codes in an easy to edit form. |
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| 05:51.34 | enouf | Supaplex: i mean armada works correctly? |
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| 05:51.43 | Obligatory | ahem "what 'xxd' was for" |
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| 05:52.17 | Sauvin | Enouf just an hour or so ago told me to use xxd to identify a file format I'd never seen before. |
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| 05:53.17 | Obligatory | Sauvin, neat on 'xxd', 5000 binaries... how many packages is that? 'dglob | wc' |
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| 05:53.19 | Supaplex | enouf: neither do. no network interface is available for either one. port_state is Online for both. eg /sys/class/fc_host/*/port_state |
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| 05:53.27 | Obligatory | agh, 'dglob | wc -l' |
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| 05:54.10 | polishpaul | hey guys, i got apache and apache2 on the server. in /etc/default apache2 is supposed to start on boot. However, apache is the one running. How do i make apache2 run instead of 1? |
| 05:54.16 | enouf | Supaplex: cat /proc/scsi/* ? /sys/class/scsi_host/* ? thats all i know, install and try some scsi tools pkgs? |
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| 05:54.42 | Sauvin | Oh, hell, I'm not even sure I WANT to know. |
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| 05:55.15 | Obligatory | I want to know, 2923 here. |
| 05:55.16 | Sauvin | 4221 packages, according to a dpkg -l | wc -l |
| 05:55.18 | Supaplex | I don't have a SAN to connect to, and I really don't care about scsi. scsi is a transport you put *on* fibre channel. I want ipv4 on it at least |
| 05:55.18 | enouf | Supaplex: apt-cache show scsitools sg3-utils ? |
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| 05:55.22 | vanksi | my server had a sudden load peak about 2h ago, how can i check what caused it? |
| 05:55.36 | Guerin | vanksi: syslog |
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| 05:55.50 | Supaplex | vanksi: without accounting? only syslogs (if anything). |
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| 05:56.04 | Supaplex | or systems monitoring (but accounting is usually more detailed) |
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| 05:56.25 | Obligatory | Difficult "simple" question: on unstable at any given time, what the most packages that can be installed without conflicts? (no idea how to find out) |
| 05:56.42 | daya | anyone have tried LTSP in lenny |
| 05:56.47 | enouf | Supaplex: one hit on this page for Fibre http://sg.torque.net/sg/tools.html |
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| 05:57.04 | kgoetz | Obligatory: tbh, thats not in my 'simple' box ;) |
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| 05:57.22 | daya | GUI is not started in lenny ltsp client, is it uses sdm or ldm |
| 05:57.29 | Obligatory | kgoetz, it's easy to ask, hard to answer. |
| 05:57.57 | kgoetz | Obligatory: well... yes |
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| 06:02.43 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/scsi/lpfc.txt http://sourceforge.net/projects/lpfcxxxx |
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| 06:03.32 | enouf | Obligatory: i don't understand |
| 06:03.36 | vanksi | Supaplex, what exactly in syslog should i look for? can't really find anything useful |
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| 06:03.54 | Obligatory | kgoetz, thoughts while puzzling over it: latency is the problem. Can't be done brute force using available tools... though maybe 'ara' could speed it up, that or some other fast database format would be needed. |
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| 06:04.12 | Obligatory | enouf, well on 'unstable' you can't install everything, because of conflicts. |
| 06:04.43 | enouf | that amount would vary day by day |
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| 06:04.55 | enouf | you mean unmet dependency resolution |
| 06:05.24 | Supaplex | vanksi: it's a crapshot. it might not tell you. just look at the time frame to see if you discover any clues. (again, the data may not be descriptive to what your needs are) |
| 06:05.32 | Obligatory | enouf, it would vary, yes. Hence maybe too vague qualifier "at any given time", |
| 06:05.34 | jim | you can't install everything on 'stable' either, due (again) to conflicts |
| 06:05.52 | Sauvin | There may also be the possibility of conflicting library version requirements (for example) |
| 06:06.01 | Supaplex | Obligatory: where is this question going? |
| 06:06.29 | jim | it's following a |
| 06:06.30 | Obligatory | Supaplex, it's useless AFAIK, like abstract math. |
| 06:06.42 | jim | maze of twisty little passages, all different |
| 06:06.48 | Obligatory | Maybe I should say "useless". |
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| 06:07.16 | Supaplex | !dstats stable |
| 06:07.21 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18593 packages, 1730 maintainers, 41487 MB installed size, 13599 MB compressed size. |
| 06:07.23 | jim | abstractions brought you love and happiness... |
| 06:07.23 | Sauvin | Speaking of databases, though, I don't understand why things like dpkg don't use postgresql or something similatr. |
| 06:07.28 | Sauvin | Similar, evne. |
| 06:07.33 | Sauvin | Even, even, damnit all to hell! |
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| 06:07.57 | jim | Sauvin: they wanted text databases |
| 06:08.00 | Obligatory | Sauvin, they're really into text files. |
| 06:08.02 | jim | for one |
| 06:08.14 | Supaplex | Obligatory: did you catch the last line dpkg just said? |
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| 06:08.21 | jim | for another... would postgres fit on a coupla floppies? |
| 06:08.35 | Obligatory | Supaplex, the 18593? |
| 06:09.00 | Sauvin | Yea, and it's a low-volume seldom-used thing, I understand that, but... like, mmkay, 'updatedb' and 'locate' use the Berkeley DB, no? |
| 06:09.06 | Supaplex | Obligatory: yes |
| 06:09.13 | jim | dpkg using postgres would require that postgres be in base |
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| 06:09.20 | Sauvin | These days, what's "fit on a couple of floppies" got to do with anything? |
| 06:09.41 | Sauvin | jim, you raise a point I'd never considered. |
| 06:09.45 | jim | some people have old machines... what can I say |
| 06:09.47 | Obligatory | Supaplex, yeah I saw it, well we know it's less than 18593. |
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| 06:10.29 | jim | I wike doin that! |
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| 06:11.05 | johndbritton | enouf: the DC techs are doing a complete chassis swap on the machine |
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| 06:11.11 | johndbritton | we'll see how that goes |
| 06:11.20 | pmv | why the hell posgresql? |
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| 06:11.49 | pmv | postgres is good for a lot of stuff, but you hafta use the right tools for the job |
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| 06:12.20 | Obligatory | What is the fastest DB for a hypothetical brute force research oriented Debian database? |
| 06:12.24 | iamlegend | hmm |
| 06:12.31 | Sauvin | Because all-text databases introduce their own problems. |
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| 06:12.43 | Sauvin | Obligatory, what kind of research? |
| 06:12.56 | Sauvin | (and what does 'best' mean?) |
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| 06:13.10 | pmv | Obligatory, for debian package metadata? I would go for an embedded db like sqlite or bdb |
| 06:13.11 | Obligatory | Sauvin, the question above for example, but other question might be asked. I said fastest, not best. |
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| 06:13.22 | jim | he didn't say "best" |
| 06:13.40 | Sauvin | You're right, I misread. |
| 06:13.42 | Obligatory | But 'best' is a good question too. |
| 06:13.51 | pmv | fastest is arguable, given the least common denominator of hardware you have to accommodate |
| 06:13.57 | Sauvin | Depends on what kind of 'research-oriented' we're talking about, though, I'd think. |
| 06:14.06 | jim | pmv: why not? |
| 06:14.19 | Obligatory | pmv it's research, let's say it's hefty enough. |
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| 06:14.22 | pmv | and the base install has to be fast and small, for a number of practical reasons |
| 06:14.25 | Sauvin | Let me ask this: what would be the contents of this 'research-oriented' database? |
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| 06:14.29 | pmv | Obligatory, what kind of research? |
| 06:14.46 | jim | Obligatory: no it's not, unless you want to compare and contrast the things yourself |
| 06:14.48 | Sauvin | pmv's question is related to what I'm after. |
| 06:15.03 | jim | what's before you/ |
| 06:15.05 | jim | ? |
| 06:15.06 | Obligatory | pmv "Difficult "simple" question: on unstable at any given time, what the most packages that can be installed without conflicts?" |
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| 06:15.50 | Sauvin | That would require some kind of AI with massive human participation. |
| 06:15.53 | pmv | if you are basing this on library versions alone, it is not hard to come up with static install sets |
| 06:16.11 | jim | "any given time"? that would require full history |
| 06:16.32 | Sauvin | Library versions, perl modules, etc.; drivers and their respective hardware sets, etc.... |
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| 06:16.45 | Obligatory | jim, vague phrasing? at any one given time, say right now. |
| 06:16.48 | pmv | so? code revision systems already do that |
| 06:17.02 | Obligatory | s/vague/may vague/ |
| 06:17.05 | jim | pmv: hmm,,, I see what you mean... you seem to have just invented... |
| 06:17.08 | jim | slackware |
| 06:17.14 | Obligatory | agh, "my vague phrasing" |
| 06:17.14 | Sauvin | Heh. |
| 06:17.18 | pmv | hahaha |
| 06:17.29 | pmv | typos seem catching today |
| 06:17.42 | jim | my kbd sticks on most keys |
| 06:17.54 | pmv | Obligatory, do you mean just based on pre-tested libary versions that are assumed to work? |
| 06:17.56 | jim | pretty badly too |
| 06:18.00 | Sauvin | recommends using a disposable keyboard when surfing prawns |
| 06:18.06 | pmv | Obligatory, or are you talking about manually testing each package against each other? |
| 06:18.20 | jim | prawna yoga? |
| 06:18.23 | Obligatory | pmv some arbitrary package set. Whatever's most standard, let's say. |
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| 06:19.16 | Obligatory | pmv, I guess I was thinking using the depends, plus comparing the 'conflicts' fields. |
| 06:19.27 | pmv | Obligatory, if you assume that the 'depends' metadata for each package is absolutely correct, it is easy to build a inter-dependency tree that can be used a basis for a package set which is a function of a given time |
| 06:19.49 | jim | you could load those things into a database and have a lot of fun... you realize this, yes? :) |
| 06:19.51 | pmv | even factoring in the conflicts, I think it is still doable with the right algo |
| 06:20.18 | pmv | oh wait, are you using this argument to convince me to use dbs? |
| 06:20.19 | pmv | :p |
| 06:20.32 | pmv | because I am not arguing. using an embedded db would be good in my opinion. |
| 06:20.38 | jim | what are you using your argument for? :) |
| 06:20.40 | pmv | but I think postgres would just be overkill |
| 06:20.43 | Obligatory | pmv, let's assume the metadata is good. (No I have no bias for dbs, strictly research) |
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| 06:21.25 | jim | which would not necessarily be a good assumption under sid |
| 06:21.27 | Sauvin | I'm the one who said postgres, and iirc I said "or something". I simply said postgres because I sorta kinda know it and (for what I had in mind) would definitely do the job. |
| 06:21.31 | Obligatory | jim, for kicks, the other day why did I do a sudoku. |
| 06:21.34 | pmv | Obligatory, then yeah, I can imagine a nice dependency graph based on an efficient algorithm |
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| 06:22.31 | pmv | Sauvin, ah, I see. well postgres is pretty heavy for single-thread application (since dpkg is synchronous) |
| 06:22.32 | jim | dodo a sudoku... through and through... or a sidoku |
| 06:22.42 | enouf | 2nd dropped drink + shattered glass everywhere in as many days :-( |
| 06:22.51 | pmv | uses a lot of resources, runs as an external service, requires the overhead of IPC, etc |
| 06:23.50 | jim | why are your hands dropping the drink? |
| 06:23.56 | Sauvin | pmv, yea, I used a pickup truck where a golf cart would have done. |
| 06:24.14 | enouf | johndbritton: ok, nice to have updates from ya |
| 06:24.17 | jim | could it be your body tries to communicate? |
| 06:24.37 | Obligatory | Thanks guys, those DB suggestions sound practical. |
| 06:24.44 | johndbritton | ill let you know if that fixes it |
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| 06:25.31 | enouf | jim: it's not from drinking previously either, it's happening just as i create that 1st one of the day, then i pich it up, but i guess my hands aren't grasping it tight enough - it's slipping through my hands :-( |
| 06:25.36 | pmv | Obligatory, was this a hypothetical question by the way? Or are you out to do something interesting? :) |
| 06:25.45 | enouf | s/pich/pick |
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| 06:26.30 | enouf | i don't what's worse, losing the expensive alcohol or cleaning up all the shattered glass :-/ |
| 06:26.53 | pmv | but seriously, dpkg backend is text? now that I think of it, no wonder .. |
| 06:26.59 | jim | both kinda bad |
| 06:27.14 | Obligatory | pmv, well it's interesting to me, on a "Guinness Book" level. There's no Fields medal AFAIK. |
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| 06:27.33 | pmv | with say freebsd packages, one can do multiple simultaneous binary package installs |
| 06:27.37 | pmv | all to a common system db |
| 06:27.39 | jim | Trackin fields? |
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| 06:28.35 | pmv | Obligatory, ya it is interesting :) |
| 06:28.40 | salierix | I'm running a Voodoo3 with a widescreen monitor. Is it possible to not have my non-widescreen video mode stretched to my monitor's native resolution? |
| 06:28.53 | jim | pmv: what's the consequence of not allowing simultaneous invocations of say dpkg? |
| 06:29.04 | Obligatory | jim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal (NOT!) |
| 06:31.11 | pmv | jim, if it is a text backend, synchronization problems |
| 06:31.33 | pmv | you have to lock the whole thing when doing a read or write, lest broken data gets written in or gets read out |
| 06:32.10 | jim | correct |
| 06:32.27 | jim | well notice I said "not" but I'm happy to remove it |
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| 06:32.40 | Obligatory | Somewhat easier less "mathy" question in the same vein: what's the most common first name for maintainers? (Counting diminutives and foreign variants as one name) |
| 06:32.53 | pmv | jim, ah |
| 06:32.55 | pmv | :) |
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| 06:33.02 | kgoetz | Obligatory: grab teh keyring and work it out |
| 06:33.15 | pmv | well, not allowing them is the status quo |
| 06:33.32 | pmv | I suppose it works and is simpler, but it can be better |
| 06:33.57 | pmv | even with an embedded db, you can do more detailed row, table, or column locks, or even application-specific locks, which can accommodate simultaneous invocations to an extent |
| 06:33.59 | Obligatory | kgoetz, I've done that one... except for working out the foreign equivalents. |
| 06:34.16 | jim | I've often thought, what if they kept the text db around but have the ability to switch |
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| 06:34.23 | Sauvin | is thinking that something like pan would benefit immensely from using something like postgres |
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| 06:34.29 | pmv | though I suspect implementing that would be more complex than I am thinking |
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| 06:35.19 | pmv | (I have good foresight for when I am probably saying something stupid) |
| 06:35.21 | pmv | :) |
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| 06:36.03 | pmv | jim, well someone can do it, and if it gets stable enough, it would eventually find its way into the tree :) |
| 06:36.13 | pmv | it has probably been tried before |
| 06:36.33 | Obligatory | Without combining variants, (and assuming my old code is good), the top 5: Michael 25, Martin 24, David 22, Peter 18 (also maybe not accounting for email dups) |
| 06:37.08 | Sauvin | Does Michelle count as the same as Michael? |
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| 06:37.21 | Sauvin | Michel? Mikhail? Mickey? |
| 06:37.37 | Sauvin | (Mike?) |
| 06:39.08 | Obligatory | Sauvin, here's a puzzle: does 'Jean-Michel' count as Michel? |
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| 06:39.49 | jim | that would be Jarreing |
| 06:40.08 | Sauvin | Who the frack knows? It could also count as Jean, which would be right in there with all the Ivans and Yvonnes and Jeannies and Johnnies and Hanses (Johannes)... |
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| 06:41.01 | Sauvin | Giovanno (and therefore probably Vannie)... |
| 06:41.13 | Obligatory | Sauvin, Jean-Michel 1, Micha 1, Michal 1, Michel 2, Mikhail 1, Mickael 1 ... the variations are surprising. |
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| 06:41.37 | Sauvin | Not surprising to me, but I (used to be) trilingual. |
| 06:42.10 | Sauvin | There are more different kinds of JOHN out there than I can even hope to remember. |
| 06:43.40 | Obligatory | "John", maybe there's dependency trees hiding in this puzzle too. |
| 06:44.42 | zarchne | The James/Jacob/Diego(?) is the one that kills me. |
| 06:45.07 | Obligatory | zarchne, I didn't know that one. |
| 06:45.10 | jim | if mike is to be the first name, would john mike make mike a middle name? |
| 06:45.31 | Sauvin | There once was a john named Mark who got busted by a Johnny named Michael for trying to appease his Johnson (named Mr. Bill) with a jeannie who allowed such contact for money. |
| 06:46.04 | Sauvin | James and Jacob are completely separate names for me, but I don't know where 'diego' fits in. |
| 06:46.15 | Obligatory | ...you mean "such contact for Jack". |
| 06:46.20 | jim | he go to see lucy hoo give him some (?) and take his 5 pesos away |
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| 06:47.13 | jim | jacob is jack |
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| 06:47.35 | Sauvin | (that last one reminds me of the time my car got stuck and I had to use a hydraulic tool to clear it of what was obstructing it; I jacked it off?) |
| 06:47.44 | Sauvin | John is also sometimes Jack. |
| 06:48.07 | Sauvin | I think Jacob usually diminutes to Jake. |
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| 06:48.21 | jim | which is kinda jack too :) |
| 06:48.42 | Sauvin | And girls named Jacqueline... :) |
| 06:48.43 | jim | si? |
| 06:49.15 | Obligatory | Jimmy 1 Jim 2 Jamie 1 Jamin 1 James 10 Diego 4 |
| 06:49.26 | Obligatory | needs commas. |
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| 06:49.49 | Sauvin | Or colons. |
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| 06:50.00 | jim | Dr. Colon! |
| 06:50.22 | Sauvin | Using colons makes it easy to write a colonoscopic procedure in perl |
| 06:50.23 | Sauvin | hides |
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| 06:51.21 | Sauvin | idiocrash is having troubles :\ |
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| 06:52.27 | Obligatory | That 2005 code, seems I did weed out email dups. |
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| 06:55.28 | Obligatory | Just ad-hoc shell code that beats on '/tmp' to fetch names : http://www.pastebin.org/24048 |
| 06:58.51 | simonrvn | Sauvin: *groan* |
| 06:59.00 | simonrvn | just got here |
| 06:59.15 | Sauvin | Groan? |
| 06:59.25 | simonrvn | Sauvin> Using colons makes it easy to write a colonoscopic procedure in perl |
| 06:59.30 | Sauvin | Ah. |
| 07:01.06 | simonrvn | don't mind me, i often reply to long past scrollback |
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| 07:01.28 | Sauvin | That's OK... latency in convo in this kind of medium should be expected. |
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| 07:02.37 | Obligatory | 'dict' doesn't have a dictionary of first names does it? |
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| 07:03.03 | simonrvn | i haven't seen one in debian (last i looked) |
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| 07:03.27 | Obligatory | Wait, some common names are there. I just missed on 'diego'. |
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| 07:04.27 | simonrvn | that's probably typical |
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| 07:04.39 | h4305 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
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| 07:04.50 | h4305 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:04.52 | simonrvn | !ops h4305 |
| 07:04.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: h4305 |
| 07:04.55 | h4305 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:05.00 | h4305 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:05.02 | Sauvin | !ops h4305 massive spam |
| 07:05.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: sauvin complains about: h4305 massive spam |
| 07:05.11 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 07:05.22 | simonrvn | flooded himself off |
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| 07:05.55 | Penix | hmm. maybe I'll make it my main choice... |
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| 07:06.06 | j727 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
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| 07:06.07 | j727 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
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| 07:06.10 | j727 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:06.11 | Penix | *sigh* |
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| 07:06.16 | j727 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:06.20 | Sauvin | !ops #debian is under spam attack |
| 07:06.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: sauvin complains about: #debian is under spam attack |
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| 07:06.29 | Penix | weeee |
| 07:06.32 | simonrvn | great, spam crap |
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| 07:06.34 | Penix | morons |
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| 07:06.41 | j727 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:06.45 | n5331 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:06.46 | j727 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:06.50 | n5331 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:06.50 | Penix | well, you've convinced me |
| 07:06.51 | j727 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:06.55 | *** part/#debian n5331 (n=i8009@86.96.226.14) |
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| 07:07.23 | Dewi | it's nice to see some more direct spamming for a change |
| 07:07.34 | Sauvin | I'm thoroughly convinced irc.parsserv.net would be a good net to avoid. |
| 07:07.49 | Penix | Sauvin: what are you talking about? didn't you read what they said? |
| 07:07.51 | simonrvn | only because it's a change, not that it's any better WRT content ;) |
| 07:07.52 | Penix | it's a good server! |
| 07:08.19 | Dewi | simonrvn: presumably they might have some insights on anti-bot defences |
| 07:08.21 | mentor | It is oddly compelling... |
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| 07:08.24 | jim | well not any more |
| 07:08.40 | simonrvn | i kinda doubt it Dewi ;) |
| 07:08.44 | Penix | I hope for their sake they were bots |
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| 07:09.09 | Dewi | so digg.com runs debian, eh? |
| 07:09.12 | Sauvin | Those bots are gonna get some ip blocks klined. |
| 07:09.22 | stylus | Penix: they were |
| 07:09.33 | simonrvn | n5331 n=i8009@86.96.226.14 h4305 n=i2974@89.34.75.248 j727 n=h3625@dsl-200-67-31-246.prod-empresarial.com.mx |
| 07:09.33 | Penix | Dewi: always have used it afaicr |
| 07:09.33 | Dewi | I'm not sure it's the right kind of exposure for debian to be seeing the logo on their maintenance page |
| 07:09.36 | jim | otherwise their fingers would be tired of typing all that over and over?? |
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| 07:10.09 | n5331 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
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| 07:10.10 | n5331 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:10.10 | j727 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:10.11 | simonrvn | it's called history, many clients of a history |
| 07:10.13 | n5331 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:10.13 | j727 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:10.15 | Obligatory | Argh! |
| 07:10.17 | simonrvn | have a* |
| 07:10.18 | n5331 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:10.18 | j727 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:10.20 | markybob | !ops 727 major spam |
| 07:10.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: markybob complains about: 727 major spam |
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| 07:10.23 | markybob | fucking kidding me |
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| 07:10.29 | markybob | pieces of shit mother fuckers |
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| 07:10.35 | Pyro | lol |
| 07:10.43 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 07:10.44 | markybob | dondelelcaro where the hell are you when we need you? |
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| 07:10.52 | Penix | he swings in to action! |
| 07:10.53 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.prod-empresarial.com.mx] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:10.55 | kgoetz | markybob: gettin active :) |
| 07:10.58 | Pyro | :D |
| 07:11.02 | simonrvn | woot |
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| 07:11.09 | Sauvin | dondelelcaro, can we sweet-talk you into hanging out a bit? :) |
| 07:11.09 | mentor | idly swears at his POS hard drive |
| 07:11.16 | simonrvn | EMIRNET --> 86.96.226.14; |
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| 07:11.25 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@86.96.226.14] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:11.31 | Pyro | ^_^; |
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| 07:11.44 | o7452 | .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) .: Irc.ParsServ.Net :. good Irc server (Make It Your Main Choice) |
| 07:11.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@89.34.75.248] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:11.55 | simonrvn | SC ROMEX NETWORK SRL --> 89.34.75.248 |
| 07:12.17 | Obligatory | Could that sort of ban be automated? Say 5 messages in a row, and the banner springs in to action? (Assuming all of the above are the same) |
| 07:12.34 | simonrvn | they're getting around debhelper |
| 07:12.36 | dondelelcaro | Obligatory: they're kicked if they do it quickly enough already |
| 07:12.38 | jim | I hate banner ads! |
| 07:12.41 | stylus | Obligatory: automated banning can be troublesome |
| 07:12.42 | mentor | Obligatory: 4 more legt |
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| 07:13.08 | Obligatory | mentor, 'legt'? |
| 07:13.16 | mentor | left |
| 07:13.21 | Sauvin | Automated banning is indeed troublesome. You *have* to have a human around to decide what's spam and what's just accidental splutterpasting. |
| 07:13.46 | Sauvin | At the same time, three or more *identical* messages within a small handful of seconds...? |
| 07:13.47 | jim | if it's the same message each time... |
| 07:13.49 | simonrvn | the latter you can just do a /quote remove foo |
| 07:13.59 | Shabadaba | simonrvn: /quote remove #chan foo |
| 07:14.14 | mentor | I suppose some content matching might help too |
| 07:14.17 | simonrvn | yeh, i'm used to /ar ;) |
| 07:14.17 | Obligatory | Sauvin, maybe not a ban, but just not printing the message? |
| 07:14.26 | jim | actually can we kick the spammers before talking strategy? |
| 07:14.32 | Sauvin | how about a %ban? |
| 07:14.42 | simonrvn | % is +q |
| 07:14.53 | Shabadaba | Sauvin: What's the difference between a normal ban when used in this manner |
| 07:15.16 | Sauvin | Shabadaba, a regular ban is "you're outta here". A %ban is "you can hear, but can't talk." |
| 07:15.30 | Shabadaba | Sauvin: Yes, I know |
| 07:15.43 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:15.44 | Shabadaba | Which is why I said " when used in this manner |
| 07:15.49 | Sauvin | In that case, I didn't understand what you asked. |
| 07:15.55 | Sauvin | Oh! |
| 07:16.18 | mentor | Both stop you talking; one stops you joining |
| 07:16.26 | Sauvin | A "outta here" ban might trigger the bot to change names or jump servers or something, whereas a %ban might not register; the bot wouldn't realise it's talking to itself. |
| 07:16.42 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 07:16.44 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 07:16.53 | jim | but you're still listening either way unless you been booted too :) |
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| 07:18.47 | Obligatory | Ah well, tempus fugit, gotta run, 'nite & thanks again fellers for that 'xxd' cue. |
| 07:19.26 | codeblock | For some reason when installing debian on my HP pavilion 533w, if i select any packages (net install) it powers off half-way through the install. It installs base fine. Don't know why, and its only debian i have this problem with. My question is, If i only install base, how hard is it to configure/install X and Gnome? |
| 07:19.26 | mentor | Seems to be some sort of Iranian IRC net; I wonder of what it was in aid... |
| 07:19.49 | mentor | codeblock: as |
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| 07:19.58 | codeblock | mentor: ? |
| 07:20.04 | mentor | codeblock: as hard. |
| 07:20.19 | codeblock | as hard as............? |
| 07:20.21 | codeblock | heh |
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| 07:20.37 | mentor | codeblock: installing it in the installer. |
| 07:20.57 | simonrvn | 2 nicks joined just before the spam crap, and left right after Sipingal and Own3R |
| 07:20.58 | codeblock | like.. gah. theres a package for X during the install, but if i select it or any other packages (including standard-system) it reboots half-way through |
| 07:21.05 | simonrvn | er, after: * |
| 07:21.46 | codeblock | mentor: how would I do it then, if i only install base? |
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| 07:22.24 | mentor | codeblock: boot system, install packages? |
| 07:22.30 | phorce1 | mentor, codeblock, May not as ahrd as the installer if the installer is choking on the megapackages. apt-get just a few packages at a time might work. --- but I suspect a hardware issue (bad RAM maybe) if the machine shuts down during heavy use. |
| 07:22.42 | simonrvn | just install base, and do the rest afterwards |
| 07:23.12 | iateadonut | anyone know a good tutorial for connecting a debian LAMP to a MS SQL database - so it can be accessed from an sql command line and php can grab data? |
| 07:23.19 | mentor | codeblock: When you say shutdown, do you mean an orderly shutdown, or just a processor reset type ything? |
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| 07:23.32 | codeblock | mentor: sudden shutdown.. unexpected. |
| 07:23.45 | codeblock | mentor: what packages would I install for X then? |
| 07:24.03 | mentor | !ug |
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| 07:24.16 | mentor | prods dpkg |
| 07:24.26 | mentor | !users' guide |
| 07:24.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 07:24.56 | mentor | codeblock: Is this laptop otherwise known to be working? |
| 07:25.14 | codeblock | mentor: its not a laptop, and yes it works fine with any other distro. |
| 07:25.41 | phorce1 | codeblock: apt-cache search xserver would be a god place to start looking. But it might be better to get a memtest86 CD burned and let that run for 24 hours first |
| 07:26.02 | codeblock | phorce1: i have no more blank discs :( |
| 07:26.28 | mentor | codeblock: Does it always reset at exactly the same point, or is it less-deterministic than that? |
| 07:27.02 | codeblock | mentor: i dont know..... sorry. |
| 07:27.24 | phorce1 | codeblock: if you have base installed then apt-get install memtest86 --- it will install as a boot image accessible from the grub boot menu |
| 07:28.03 | mentor | Well, I would go through the usual motions of cleaning inside the case, reseating components, checking fans, and running stress tests. |
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| 07:28.17 | mentor | The only other thing that comes to mind is to randomly try a different kernel. |
| 07:28.30 | mentor | Sounds more like stress induced breakage though |
| 07:28.34 | fjfalcon | is there any apportunity to make tty like 1280x1040 ? |
| 07:28.53 | mentor | fjfalcon: You can try with SVGA textmode |
| 07:29.00 | kgoetz | fjfalcon: consoletools perhaps |
| 07:29.09 | jim | you could pass vga=ask to kernel |
| 07:29.21 | mentor | Also, move to framebuffer console |
| 07:29.30 | mentor | Although, SVGA doens't go quite that high |
| 07:30.32 | phorce1 | just runs X at 1440x900 then opens a bunch of xterms because they look better than plain tty |
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| 07:31.24 | Sauvin | does the same |
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| 07:32.13 | codeblock | mentor: ok, I got the basic system installed. What packages do I need to get xfce (for now.. do gnome later) running? |
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| 07:32.52 | phorce1 | was running screen in xterms until about the 3rd time he forgot he was running screen and ssh'd to another box and ran screen inside screen with no special keymapping |
| 07:33.20 | DogBoy | and then what |
| 07:33.30 | pmv | haha |
| 07:33.32 | pmv | been there |
| 07:33.41 | codeblock | ok, I'll open that up to the whole chan. rather than just mentor..... What packages do I need to get xfce (for now.. do gnome later) running? |
| 07:33.55 | pmv | ^a^a^a... |
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| 07:34.21 | phorce1 | codeblock: apt-cache search is your friend. And apt-get install |
| 07:34.39 | codeblock | phorce1: bah.... |
| 07:34.43 | Sauvin | I'm lazy. I just use synaptic. |
| 07:35.00 | pmv | but you need a wm for that :> |
| 07:35.06 | pmv | and gtk prolly |
| 07:35.09 | nixeagle | coyou want to install xfce4 |
| 07:35.15 | nixeagle | codeblock, sorry |
| 07:35.23 | phorce1 | DogBoy: no control (or rather no telling which instance of screen will GET controlled). Hard close the xterm to kill it all hen start over |
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| 07:35.25 | pmv | codeblock, just apt-get xfce |
| 07:35.48 | pmv | phorce1, hahaha. then you are left with zombie screens all over |
| 07:35.52 | Sauvin | doesn't understand why people don't just use kde |
| 07:36.07 | phorce1 | codeblock: apt-get install xfce and it will install whatever xfce needs at a minimum to operate --- or tell you what else you need. |
| 07:36.10 | Shabadaba | cause it scusk, duh |
| 07:36.14 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 07:36.14 | Shabadaba | sucks |
| 07:36.16 | codeblock | Sauvin: because the machine only has 256mb /ram? |
| 07:36.21 | Sauvin | Oh. |
| 07:36.21 | pmv | .. |
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| 07:36.24 | pmv | you serious Sauvin |
| 07:36.27 | nixeagle | Sauvin, some of us just don't want to spend 200MB or more of RAM to the WM (gnome KDE) |
| 07:36.33 | pmv | :) |
| 07:36.57 | DogBoy | and it's like running windows |
| 07:36.59 | pmv | I got nothing against kde |
| 07:37.18 | pmv | but I like my fast, auto-locating dwm, thank you |
| 07:37.18 | nixeagle | yeah same here, just it does not go well on low spec machines :) |
| 07:37.32 | dhh | I have a Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller and acer AL1916 display. When I set the resolution to 1440x900, then the displayed desktop is out of screen. Is it problem of graph driver? |
| 07:37.36 | Sauvin | DogBoy, it's a *little* like running Windows, but there's a huge difference: my xterm can beat the living snot out of a Windows DOS box. |
| 07:37.56 | DogBoy | yea no doubt, it's better than windows |
| 07:38.14 | DogBoy | but too close for me, I wake up screaming in the middle of the night |
| 07:38.29 | codeblock | I'm actually a gnome guy, but I want to go to bed and I just want something real quick to test on.. I'll get gnome tomorrow or something. |
| 07:38.34 | Sauvin | I don't, because I'm comforted by the fact that my "dos box" has TABS. |
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| 07:38.48 | DogBoy | hmm |
| 07:38.58 | DogBoy | even on kde I would use gnome-terminal |
| 07:39.04 | Sauvin | And! and! and! and!... it's easy to write things where you input into ONE box and output to ANOTHER :D |
| 07:39.29 | pmv | this is a kde-specific thing? |
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| 07:40.09 | Sauvin | pmv, nope. If you look in /proc, you'll see a bunch of numbers. Each represents a PID. If you get the pid of the shell you're in right now (echo $$), you can get its standard output. |
| 07:40.34 | phorce1 | dhh: probably something in the way you have your xorg.conf set up (like the virtual size of the desktop). Is the Acer1916 a widescreen display? |
| 07:40.39 | Sauvin | In so doing, you can have a daemon-like process inputting from ONE xterm but shoving processed output to ANOTHER. |
| 07:40.51 | pmv | oh, well kde/dbus aint the only IPC bus implementations :) |
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| 07:41.14 | pmv | but anyway, you should not listen to me. I am not really a heavy GUI guy |
| 07:41.31 | Sauvin | I don't think it's kde/dbus. I think something similar would apply under gnome, or virtually any other DE. |
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| 07:42.24 | pmv | well that is what I said |
| 07:42.36 | pmv | there are other nice implementations too |
| 07:42.50 | maligor | yes, like COM! |
| 07:42.54 | Sauvin | try it.. cd /proc/$(echo $$)/fd |
| 07:42.55 | pmv | hehe |
| 07:42.57 | phorce1 | I have too many family/friends who have learned the art of attaching photos to email. I use X so I have a point-and-click email client. Mutt was killing me. |
| 07:43.28 | pmv | Sauvin, check out 9p from bell labs for a sweet new ipc, for example |
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| 07:43.38 | pmv | an sorry, I am on fbsd at the moment |
| 07:43.43 | maligor | dbus is what both gnome and kde seem to be moving to, aswell as the system bus |
| 07:44.03 | maligor | system notifications that is |
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| 07:45.17 | Sauvin | Don't apologise to me, friend... if you're bsd, you're not windows. |
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| 07:45.41 | pmv | haha |
| 07:45.59 | pmv | just for work. I likey sid at home :) |
| 07:46.28 | codeblock | installed xfce4 now what? startx says command not found. xfce4-session says could not open display. and startxfce4 says Line 53: exec: xinit not found |
| 07:46.30 | Sauvin | bsd, sid, it's all good. It's *nix. |
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| 07:47.30 | pmv | codeblock, have you xserver-xorg? |
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| 07:47.57 | dhh | phorcel: yes, it a widescreen display |
| 07:48.09 | eap | codeblock : 'apt-get install xinit' and see what that says |
| 07:48.52 | wols | eap: what package is xinit? |
| 07:49.01 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:49.06 | wols | codeblock: you don't have X installed |
| 07:49.21 | wols | !tell codeblock about install X |
| 07:49.42 | fjfalcon | !tell fjfalcon about alsa |
| 07:49.57 | wols | !tell fjfalcon about selftell |
| 07:50.02 | eap | wols: i just wanted to know if he has xinit :X Sever init tool .. assuming he hasmanualy changed packages... |
| 07:50.39 | phorce1 | dhh: My acer 2216 just sort of "worked" when I originally set it up. Then I added a second display -- a 30" LCD HDTV (720p) using DVI and the dual-screen setup hosed my xorg.conf bad. |
| 07:50.53 | dhh | I even set Modeline "1440x900_60.00" 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 932 -HSync +Vsync, but it does not works |
| 07:50.56 | eap | codeblock: .b/c all this shouldhas installed with xserver-xorg |
| 07:51.19 | wols | dhh: what driver? |
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| 07:51.35 | codeblock | eap: I thought the X server would install as a dependancy of xfce. |
| 07:51.36 | phorce1 | dhh: read through yours and look for lines like "Virtual 1600 1200" |
| 07:51.46 | eap | codeblock: yes it should have |
| 07:51.56 | wols | eap: no it should not |
| 07:52.02 | dhh | phorcel: the driver is i810 |
| 07:52.05 | wols | codeblock: xclients don't need the server on the same machine |
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| 07:52.24 | eap | wols: ohhhhh :) hmm, i need to look into this more... |
| 07:52.44 | dhh | phorcel: I just apt install xorg. not download and install another driver for it |
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| 07:53.35 | dhh | phorcel: no such line like "Virtual 1600 1200" in xorg.conf |
| 07:54.21 | phorce1 | dhh: right -- so go in and look at the xorg.conf that was created automatically and se if there is a "virtual" line that sets your desktop to be bigger than 1400x900 |
| 07:54.23 | dhh | phorcel: no [vV]irtual, no 1600 and no 1200 |
| 07:54.27 | phorce1 | dhh: ahh |
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| 07:55.07 | johndbritton | enouf: the hardware swap is complete... things seem to be working |
| 07:55.32 | codeblock | installed xserver-xorg and on startx i now get: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processes) with 0 events remaining |
| 07:55.39 | enouf | johndbritton: cool, what did they actually swap? |
| 07:55.51 | phorce1 | dhh: when you set it to 1440x900 does the desktop scroll around when you reach the edge or does you mouse pointer "disappear"? |
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| 07:55.56 | johndbritton | everything... put the HDDS in a new box |
| 07:56.06 | enouf | and you're sure you weren't ripped off? i was thinking video, mobo, PSU |
| 07:56.09 | johndbritton | ram processor mobo |
| 07:56.24 | johndbritton | enouf: ripped off? |
| 07:56.26 | enouf | oh well, we'll never know now ;-) |
| 07:56.34 | pmv | codeblock, errors? |
| 07:56.34 | dhh | phorcel: The mouse disappear |
| 07:56.35 | johndbritton | i didn't pay anything extra |
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| 07:56.45 | enouf | johndbritton: so long as it's a worthwhile businees expense, no prob |
| 07:56.56 | codeblock | pmv: that error above^ |
| 07:56.57 | enouf | johndbritton: extra? |
| 07:57.02 | enouf | johndbritton: extra to what? |
| 07:57.16 | johndbritton | enouf: i didnt pay to have them swap hardware |
| 07:57.18 | eap | codeblock: hmm, not sure, permissions? .. more imp have u config Xorg? |
| 07:57.36 | enouf | johndbritton: i thought you said you were paying for it? |
| 07:57.39 | pmv | codeblock, nothing else? |
| 07:57.40 | johndbritton | enouf: just provided my reasoning and they swapped it out |
| 07:57.49 | enouf | when i asked about the new RAM |
| 07:57.49 | phorce1 | dhh: hmmm set it to 1440x900 then try using the auto-config button on the monitor. Maybe it's not adjusting automatically |
| 07:57.58 | johndbritton | enouf: when you asked i thuoght you meant who paid for the box |
| 07:57.59 | johndbritton | like me, or a company |
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| 07:58.06 | johndbritton | i misunderstood |
| 07:58.07 | pmv | config xserver-xorg? |
| 07:58.09 | enouf | johndbritton: oh, so you proved how they're hardware was faulty? |
| 07:58.10 | johndbritton | the ram was free |
| 07:58.14 | johndbritton | enouf: yes |
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| 07:58.20 | johndbritton | with your help :) |
| 07:58.26 | pmv | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, iirc? |
| 07:58.29 | RabidWeezle | anyone here really good with grep in here? |
| 07:58.30 | enouf | johndbritton: good, so we helped? eggcellent! ;-) |
| 07:58.36 | johndbritton | definately |
| 07:58.37 | pmv | RabidWeezle, ohh, gimme a puzzle |
| 07:58.40 | dhh | phorce1: I have test auto adjust, but it does not work |
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| 07:58.45 | enouf | johndbritton: fan-fucken-tabulous ;-) |
| 07:58.48 | johndbritton | anything i can do to help yoyu out?> |
| 07:59.00 | enouf | not atm, thanks ;-) |
| 07:59.15 | enouf | johndbritton: thanks for the update too |
| 07:59.23 | johndbritton | no prb |
| 07:59.30 | RabidWeezle | pmv, I got a messload of files that have a line in them stating where to find textures for a 3d engine, I need to change the extensions from .tga to .png in all the file refferences |
| 07:59.32 | johndbritton | everything seems to be working |
| 07:59.36 | johndbritton | only time will tell |
| 07:59.53 | maligor | due to this thing we call entropy, that's sure to happen |
| 08:00.08 | johndbritton | i haven't gotten a segfault yet... and i was usually able to cause them easily |
| 08:00.18 | enouf | johndbritton: good, i'm here as well as many many other knowledgeable folk ;-) |
| 08:00.20 | codeblock | pmv: nope nothing else. Just that error... |
| 08:00.22 | dondelelcaro | RabidWeezle: so perl -pi -e 's/\.tga/.png/g' foofiles; or similar. |
| 08:00.22 | RabidWeezle | as in, in the file, there is 1 line, just with a filename to a textre, they are all in tga, need to change to .png |
| 08:00.26 | pmv | RabidWeezle, sounds easy enough. one file per line? or not neces-- |
| 08:00.28 | pmv | ah, okay |
| 08:00.33 | pmv | aw |
| 08:00.52 | RabidWeezle | 1 line in each file, with something like, foo.tga |
| 08:00.59 | johndbritton | it seems i got a processor upgrade too :) |
| 08:01.04 | RabidWeezle | 1 file per texture |
| 08:01.07 | pmv | cat file | sed -e 's/tga$/png/g' > newfile |
| 08:01.07 | phorce1 | dhh: Out of ideas. Virtual desktop setting and monitor auto-adhust are all I can think of. Try turning the monititor power off for a few seconds then power it back on and make sure you see the "auto config please wait" box |
| 08:01.25 | pmv | or wait, "tga" might not be eol |
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| 08:01.36 | enouf | johndbritton: yeah - heh DDR2 is much cheaper than it's predecessors these days |
| 08:01.36 | RabidWeezle | doesn't need to make new files, just edit the current |
| 08:01.43 | RabidWeezle | I got the old ones backed up |
| 08:01.49 | pmv | cat file | sed -e 's/\.tga/\.png/g' > newfile |
| 08:01.50 | enouf | johndbritton: i know you said CPU |
| 08:01.55 | enouf | but think about it |
| 08:02.02 | pmv | RabidWeezle, well then rename it after |
| 08:02.03 | johndbritton | gotcha |
| 08:02.10 | RabidWeezle | sounds good to me |
| 08:02.12 | pmv | you gotta redirect it to a buffer first |
| 08:02.33 | dhh | phorcel: thanks. I will try to restart the xserver now. |
| 08:02.41 | RabidWeezle | will that do the whole directory at once? |
| 08:02.47 | pmv | codeblock, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 08:02.58 | pmv | or maybe someone here who actually has xorg on deb can help out :) |
| 08:02.59 | codeblock | pmv: i tried that.. no avail |
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| 08:07.27 | gaurav__ | anybody please tell me any database modelling tool which can import postgressql dump to restore model |
| 08:07.39 | codeblock | i installed xfonts-base and it now goes to a blank screen rather than quitting with the error right away... hmm. any help? |
| 08:08.09 | amphi | RabidWeezle: you want to edit the text file, or convert the images it lists to png? |
| 08:08.22 | phorce1 | should have worked to get his "capture doppler radar images for later animation" script fixed sooner. Weather has been beautiful for the 5 days sine I git it working. I hav a 14MB animation that looks like a static image. |
| 08:08.33 | streuner | codeblock: what chipset? |
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| 08:09.09 | johndbritton | enouf: whats your connection with debian... contributer, support only, user... |
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| 08:09.42 | streuner | codeblock: or better, just show us your x.log file in paste.debian.net |
| 08:09.55 | phorce1 | codeblock: startx is probably not starting xfce. "Blank screen" can you see the mouse pointer? |
| 08:09.58 | Enfilade | why isnt the official debian channel on here? |
| 08:10.11 | codeblock | phorce1: no cursor.... |
| 08:10.32 | codeblock | streuner: Indel Corporation 82845G/GL |
| 08:10.33 | streuner | Enfilade its a simple DNS entry which points to OFTC |
| 08:10.38 | codeblock | lemmie install nopaste and get you those logs. |
| 08:11.10 | enouf | johndbritton: just a power user, helper really at this point .. i try and help debug things from time to time |
| 08:11.23 | Enfilade | OFTC is a part of freenode? |
| 08:11.29 | streuner | Enfilade: /msg dpkg oftc move |
| 08:11.39 | streuner | no |
| 08:11.46 | codeblock | streuner: eh - ok theres no nopaste package.. |
| 08:11.57 | codeblock | but yeah Intel 82845G/GL << |
| 08:11.59 | johndbritton | im hoping this hardware issue was the root of all my problems, including the backup failures |
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| 08:12.25 | streuner | Enfilade: http://www.oftc.net/oftc/ |
| 08:12.31 | Enfilade | thanks, streuner |
| 08:12.32 | JohnRobert_ | Where abouts does debian define the name of ethernet adapters (eth0/eth1/eth2) etc? |
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| 08:13.09 | enouf | JohnRobert_: i hope so too - and i do think so - the backups, i'm not so sure, but if it was setup correctly and working correctly and no major changes to it, then likely the hardware was at fault |
| 08:13.13 | streuner | codeblock: just use paste.debian.net |
| 08:13.16 | enouf | erm johndbritton |
| 08:13.25 | johndbritton | enouf: keep it up! |
| 08:13.27 | JohnRobert_ | ? |
| 08:13.27 | enouf | JohnRobert_: my bad tab |
| 08:13.27 | JohnRobert_ | :p |
| 08:13.32 | codeblock | streuner: how? I have no copy/paste or anything (no X) |
| 08:13.41 | streuner | codeblock: gpm |
| 08:13.51 | streuner | !gpm |
| 08:13.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 08:13.54 | enouf | johndbritton: ;-) |
| 08:13.58 | johndbritton | i've got to get some sleep now though... I've been on this problem for well over 14 hours |
| 08:14.07 | enouf | johndbritton: let us know in the follwing days and weeks |
| 08:14.12 | johndbritton | will do |
| 08:14.12 | JohnRobert_ | I figured out my question anyway, it was in a udev rules file |
| 08:14.13 | enouf | me too |
| 08:14.16 | johndbritton | im usually in this channel |
| 08:14.17 | nixeagle | codeblock, use nopaste or other way to send text to a pastebin :) |
| 08:14.21 | johndbritton | just don't say a whole lot |
| 08:14.24 | enouf | johndbritton: cool, so am i |
| 08:14.27 | johndbritton | im more active in #gallery |
| 08:14.32 | codeblock | nixeagle: no package for nopaste |
| 08:14.33 | enouf | i speak sometimes ;-) |
| 08:14.33 | johndbritton | and #drupal |
| 08:14.33 | codeblock | >.> |
| 08:14.39 | enouf | i see |
| 08:14.44 | streuner | codeblock: just use (start) with VESA in low resolutions..., that should work in any case |
| 08:14.48 | johndbritton | night |
| 08:15.40 | codeblock | streuner: thats what I'm using VESA and its not working........ |
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| 08:16.07 | streuner | codeblock: just choose 16 bpp and 800X640 or such |
| 08:17.24 | streuner | codeblock: do you have a LIVE-CD handy? |
| 08:17.29 | codeblock | still no go |
| 08:17.37 | codeblock | streuner: ummmmm..... not really... |
| 08:17.55 | streuner | codeblock: well, download grml then :-) |
| 08:18.00 | streuner | make your life easier |
| 08:18.10 | streuner | !grm |
| 08:18.13 | streuner | !grml |
| 08:18.13 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally <based on> Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 08:18.28 | codeblock | argh.. this was so easy with the installer package...... |
| 08:18.34 | codeblock | streuner: i dont have any blank cd's |
| 08:18.42 | codeblock | and its after 4am I can't go buy some |
| 08:18.49 | dhh | phorcel: I check the acer config, when I change my resolution in xorg to 1440x900, the acer info said the resolution is 1152x864 |
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| 08:20.41 | phorce1 | dhh: 1152x864 might be the max native widescreen resolution on that 19" monitor |
| 08:21.01 | phorce1 | dhh: my 22" is 1440x900 |
| 08:21.33 | dhh | ok, then I run 1280x1024.. |
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| 08:21.34 | Lovia | on linux has a tools like filemon.exe? |
| 08:21.59 | pmv | what is that? |
| 08:22.01 | streuner | Lovia: is that a norton-clone? |
| 08:22.10 | pmv | know what, without even know, I shall say: yes |
| 08:22.13 | pmv | :-p |
| 08:22.16 | pmv | *knowing |
| 08:22.29 | codeblock | I cant figure this X thing out....... *sigh* |
| 08:22.41 | Lovia | no... |
| 08:22.44 | dhh | phorcel: thanks :) |
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| 08:23.48 | phorce1 | filemon.exe ---> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896642.aspx |
| 08:24.01 | hatter | I have a user that is showing up as logged in that i am trying to kill, process id 2605 pts/1 -bash, but i cant kill this process, should i be killing a different process than this ? |
| 08:24.16 | pmv | hatter, kill -9? |
| 08:24.33 | pmv | what error shows? |
| 08:24.34 | Lovia | filemon can monitor the file io option in a process... |
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| 08:24.49 | dhh | phorcel: The Acer AL1916W is a 19 in, flat panel computer monitor. Compared to other flat panel monitors on the market, it is very inexpensive at around $225. This unit features a 1440x900 native resolution. Weighs 13.2 lbs. |
| 08:25.03 | pmv | Lovia, hmm. I have not used a realtime, updating tool, but there is lsof |
| 08:25.07 | hatter | pmv, thx, kill -9 did it, i was just trying kill 2605 |
| 08:25.18 | pmv | np |
| 08:25.27 | hatter | what does the -9 do ? |
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| 08:25.32 | phorce1 | dhh: Then I really have no clue why it ignores 1440x900 from the computer |
| 08:25.35 | pmv | kill -KILL |
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| 08:25.47 | pmv | by default it is -TERM |
| 08:25.52 | simonrvn | man kill |
| 08:25.54 | dhh | phorcel: me2 |
| 08:26.06 | hatter | i just man killed as simonrvn suggested, thx |
| 08:26.10 | hatter | lol |
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| 08:26.13 | hatter | 'man kill' |
| 08:26.17 | pmv | hehe |
| 08:26.23 | hatter | these computers are so violent |
| 08:26.33 | pmv | yeah |
| 08:26.38 | pmv | mostly it is just a traffic cop |
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| 08:26.42 | mentor | Lovia: systemtap type thing? |
| 08:26.44 | hatter | kill, bash, 'terminated unexpectedly' |
| 08:26.44 | pmv | managing process flow |
| 08:26.55 | pmv | but sometimes you just hafta go and shoot someone in traffic, you know? |
| 08:27.02 | simonrvn | man woman; man man; man bash; ... |
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| 08:27.05 | Lovia | usual some command we will use in make the chroot or jail |
| 08:27.11 | hatter | simonrvn, haha |
| 08:27.13 | Lovia | but i forgot it... |
| 08:27.17 | phorce1 | And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and |
| 08:27.17 | phorce1 | he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down |
| 08:27.17 | mentor | puts hatter in his killfile |
| 08:27.27 | phorce1 | yelling, "KILL, KILL. |
| 08:27.27 | pmv | Lovia, oh. ldd? |
| 08:27.46 | Lovia | yes~ and has other one? |
| 08:27.51 | simonrvn | mentor: hehe |
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| 08:28.01 | pmv | Lovia, lsof lists open files per process. that can help. |
| 08:28.01 | simonrvn | mentor++ |
| 08:28.15 | mentor | :) |
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| 08:28.22 | hatter | 'your hatter has terminated unexpectedly, please press any key to continue' |
| 08:28.26 | pmv | oh, you win :) |
| 08:28.27 | Lovia | i remember it like the tracert... |
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| 08:29.20 | hatter | have any of you refused to give the root password of a box to a customer ? |
| 08:29.41 | phorce1 | hatter: yes |
| 08:29.42 | hatter | because they didn't 'buy' the software, they cant |
| 08:29.53 | hatter | they hired me to install it and manage it |
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| 08:30.14 | hatter | phorce1, what were your circumstances ? |
| 08:30.47 | mentor | encrypted filesystems? |
| 08:30.54 | phorce1 | hatter: Always. I will only give a customer root passwords when I am no longer to be in charge of that particular machine |
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| 08:31.38 | hatter | phorce1, so the next person can inspect all your work ? |
| 08:31.41 | phorce1 | hatter: If they insist --- and they break something --- I charge 3x normal fee to fix it |
| 08:31.49 | simonrvn | phorce1: what's your rationale for that? just curious |
| 08:31.59 | Lovia | strace... |
| 08:32.00 | Lovia | -_-! |
| 08:32.07 | hatter | phorce1, i dont see why i should give it anytime |
| 08:32.19 | hatter | they can get someone else to install there free software |
| 08:32.25 | hatter | if they want |
| 08:32.25 | mentor | their |
| 08:32.48 | phorce1 | simonrvn: customers ALWAYS decide they know how to "fix" something better than me trying to save a 30 minute service fee. |
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| 08:33.33 | simonrvn | i've been lucky then ;). the folks that i've done such things know they can't |
| 08:34.08 | zzer | if i buy a system fro you and you refuse to giveme root password y stab you XD |
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| 08:34.37 | kgoetz | if you expect him to support it, he can give his own terms :) |
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| 08:34.45 | simonrvn | watches zzer go to jail for something dumb |
| 08:34.52 | Lovia | !search strace |
| 08:34.56 | phorce1 | simonrvn: As I said, if they have a policy that requires they have all passwords available to local staff that's fine. But if something goes sideways and I note a root login that wasn't me they pay dearly |
| 08:35.08 | Lovia | !apt-file strace |
| 08:35.11 | streuner | !+tell Lovia -about search |
| 08:35.12 | dpkg | told Lovia about search. |
| 08:35.36 | eap | gotta add this, recently a got a support call for a crashed deb sarge.. reason, user had been surfin on root and DELeTED /etc (this after 6 months on warning) |
| 08:35.37 | Lovia | ths streuner~ |
| 08:35.39 | eap | :) |
| 08:35.44 | ArtVandalae | Hi, I have an X server... how do I view the full display? i.e. I'm running xvfb (a virtual X server, that resides in virtual memory) on my machine. I want to "view" this desktop. How can I do that? |
| 08:36.08 | simonrvn | phorce1: in some circumstances i'd do exactly the reasons you stated, btw |
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| 08:36.29 | simonrvn | phorce1: *sigh* pardon the bad grammar, i'm rather tired |
| 08:37.02 | simonrvn | eap: i'd tell them to keep both pieces |
| 08:37.05 | Sauvin | simonrvn, i know some people the grammar they ignore because reasons not needed |
| 08:37.07 | mentor | eap: Is this a supported desktop? |
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| 08:37.17 | phorce1 | simonrvn: me too. Almost 0400 and I have a headache (so I sit here staring at tiny letters) |
| 08:37.21 | eap | mentor: actually it was a mail server |
| 08:37.27 | simonrvn | ...and stuff them up where the sun don't shine |
| 08:37.31 | mentor | dies inside |
| 08:37.50 | eap | got the shock of his life on seeing the reason |
| 08:38.36 | eap | prob was, the user was 1/2 an admin .. if you know what i mean :) |
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| 08:38.56 | simonrvn | what, high on crack? |
| 08:38.56 | phorce1 | has a sarge mail server that needs upgrading to etch but no spare machine. A "live" upgrade from sarge to etch doesn't sound nice. |
| 08:38.57 | mentor | Do you have a clue-by-four clause in your contracts? |
| 08:39.21 | mentor | phorce1: |
| 08:39.29 | mentor | phorce1: It's doable |
| 08:39.30 | Lovia | is anyone can view http://penguin.epfl.ch/chroot.html ? |
| 08:39.46 | mentor | phorce1: Just er, upgrade the things one at a time. |
| 08:39.57 | simonrvn | "can anyone view" |
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| 08:40.56 | phorce1 | mentor: The scanning frontend is running postfix/amavis/clamav/spamassassin and gets hammered by hundreds of thousands of emails daily. Not an easy task to "piecemeal" the upgrade |
| 08:41.04 | simonrvn | Lovia: no |
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| 08:41.21 | simonrvn | your dns or something related is FUBAR |
| 08:41.23 | mentor | Lovia: No DNS |
| 08:41.35 | zzer | Lovia no. |
| 08:41.42 | mentor | phorce1: Presumably you have a backup MX? |
| 08:41.44 | Lovia | thanks simonrvn & mentor & zzer... |
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| 08:42.26 | mentor | phorce1: Indeed, but you can upgrade the base system apart from your network services first. |
| 08:42.41 | mentor | phorce1: Indeed, having a practice run first sounds better. |
| 08:42.48 | phorce1 | mentor: backup MX -- yes but I'm not real sure they can handle the full load. |
| 08:43.07 | mentor | phorce1: What happens if your primary falls over then?! |
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| 08:44.13 | phorce1 | mentor: I'm thinking I can pick the days of the month that we have low demand on the billing system (identical machine) and pull the drives from that and use fresh drives for the mail server upgrade. |
| 08:45.14 | phorce1 | mentor: I am here 24/7 (one of us is anyway) to make sure it doesn't "fall" for more than a few hours. I'm afraid a full kernel/libc/etc upgrade might take me past that window |
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| 08:48.48 | phorce1 | mentor: I'm thinking -- shut it down, ghost it, do the upgrade on the ghost. If the upgrade fails and will take us beyond the safe window fire the old server back up to clear the backup MX while we figure out what broke then start the process over again. |
| 08:48.56 | spacix | Which user should have rights on the www dirs on debian? |
| 08:48.57 | spacix | www-date? |
| 08:48.58 | spacix | or apache |
| 08:49.02 | spacix | www-data |
| 08:49.17 | phorce1 | spacix: www-data |
| 08:49.26 | Lovia | www-data |
| 08:49.26 | spacix | ok |
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| 08:49.49 | mentor | Well, by default apache runs as www-data |
| 08:50.06 | JustSoul | How to make normal user can open cdrom tray? |
| 08:50.27 | maligor | JustSoul, cdrom group? |
| 08:50.28 | Lovia | cdrom? |
| 08:51.06 | spacix | drwxrwxrwx 8 www-data www-data 4096 2008-02-19 22:39 www |
| 08:51.15 | spacix | still not ok, anyone knows whats wrong |
| 08:51.56 | JustSoul | maligor: thx |
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| 08:52.43 | mentor | That probably depends on exactly what the problem is... |
| 08:53.13 | Lovia | sudo tail /var/log/apache2/error.log |
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| 08:55.03 | phorce1 | spacix: /var/www should be root:root and it should be drwxr-xr-x ------ files INSIDE /var/www (like index.html) should be www-data:www-data and rw-r--r-- |
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| 08:55.44 | phorce1 | spacix: and you shouldn't have to be fiddling with ownerships and permissions if you installed apache from a package |
| 08:56.04 | darrh00 | My audacious core dumped ,I want to report bug ,but I can not find the package with name like audacious-dbg,where is it? |
| 08:58.20 | spacix | e |
| 08:59.16 | mentor | darrh00: There isn't one? |
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| 09:00.40 | darrh00 | mentor:yes apt-cache search audacious |grep dbg shows nothing. Shall I add something to sources.list? |
| 09:01.17 | Lovia | !audacious |
| 09:01.17 | dpkg | from memory, audacious is an audio player forked from Beep Media Player 0.9.7.1. http://audacious-media-player.org/ #audacious @ irc.atheme-project.org |
| 09:01.36 | mentor | darrh00: I don't think that will help with issues of existence. |
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| 09:09.31 | Lovia | is anyone using kde4+compiz in lenny? |
| 09:09.44 | wols | !kde4 |
| 09:09.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
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| 09:16.45 | JustSoul | how to switch on dma on /dev/hdc (cdrom)? |
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| 09:17.57 | eap | JustSoul: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc |
| 09:19.56 | atmarte3 | when i uninstall files in eeepc, it gets uninstalled but the file still remains in the directory. How do i unistall the file and at the same time delete it from the pc to recover space from the drive? |
| 09:21.16 | wols | atmarte3: is you eeepc running debian? |
| 09:21.17 | eap | atmarte3: do you mean the config files? |
| 09:21.17 | JustSoul | ead: thx |
| 09:21.33 | JustSoul | eap: thx |
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| 09:21.48 | wols | JustSoul: what hdd controller? by default busmaster dma should always be on |
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| 09:22.42 | atmarte3 | yes. it is a debian. i use synaptic to remove the packages. |
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| 09:23.04 | liable | a debian, or debian? |
| 09:23.17 | atmarte3 | debian |
| 09:23.28 | wols | atmarte3: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 09:24.34 | liable | waits for the eeexubuntu result |
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| 09:24.55 | wols | liable: xandros is not xubuntu |
| 09:25.23 | liable | wols: thanks captain obvious. where did i state it was? |
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| 09:25.58 | wols | eeexubuntu |
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| 09:27.37 | liable | wols: and? |
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| 09:28.07 | Lovia | clear |
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| 09:29.30 | liable | if he had just come clean, at least we could have pointed him in the right direction. |
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| 09:30.38 | Lovia | - -? |
| 09:30.50 | extor | Is there a way to use the ! command to execute histories 100-150 all at once? Instead of typing !100 and then !101 and !102 etc etc? |
| 09:31.20 | liable | heh, he joined flood. /me sees if he can extract the info |
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| 09:31.45 | liable | bah, he left |
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| 09:32.01 | streuner | !comfort liable |
| 09:32.01 | dpkg | There, there, liable. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:32.21 | xingu | so, bear stearns _finally blew up |
| 09:32.43 | liable | interesting times methinks |
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| 09:33.43 | liable | streuner: i genuinely wanted to try and point him in the right direction. I got the feeling he was quite the noob ;) |
| 09:34.28 | eap | tshmm |
| 09:34.31 | eap | soryr |
| 09:34.32 | eap | sorry |
| 09:34.44 | liable | he prolly thought i was cyberstalking him :) |
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| 09:35.51 | babilen | sollte also kein grosses Problem sein |
| 09:36.32 | babilen | advises everbody to disregard that message. (should not be a big problem though) |
| 09:36.39 | wols | xingu: what you mean blew up. they got bought so the club they belong to doesN#t get more problems |
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| 09:37.44 | xingu | wols: they got surrounded in a concrete jacket made out of dollar bills, chernobyl style |
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| 09:38.05 | xingu | wols: call it 1931 protection |
| 09:38.35 | wols | xingu: the fun (sorta) thing is: the way the fed and the banking system react to their systemic problems will only create a bigger crash in the future now |
| 09:39.49 | liable | <tin foil hat on> an interesting comment i read today, is that causing a recession/depression actually help the really wealthy to buy up cheap as happened in the great depression. |
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| 09:42.46 | xingu | I don't believe most of what I read, there's a shocking illiteracy when it comes to the debt markets |
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| 09:43.42 | xingu | (tinfoil hat mode - that's why we're in this mess) |
| 09:44.27 | liable | well, looking at how this mess happened, most of the people in the game dont understand it either.. |
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| 09:45.48 | maligor | you mean they were blinded by their own greed, and probably still are ;) |
| 09:46.02 | xingu | I don't mean anything more than I said |
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| 09:46.55 | xingu | between the rampers and the subprime journalists it's enough to do your head in; bad data mangled on a pay-per-view agenda |
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| 09:47.33 | liable | like just about everything |
| 09:47.52 | xingu | but unlike most things the prime debt markets actually matter |
| 09:48.06 | xingu | please turn your textbooks to 1931 |
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| 10:10.34 | liable | well, that was a good way to stifle conversation... |
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| 10:11.11 | Skaag | I am renicing a very heavy gzip operation, I noticed that a nice level of 20 raises the machine's load average, while -20 lowers the load average... however the 'renice' man page says a level of 20 means the process should only run when nothing else needs cpu time, and -19 will run the process very fast.. any ideas why this happens? :-) |
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| 10:12.43 | jim_p | hi! |
| 10:13.15 | ade|desk | has anyone noticed the network-manager no longer finds networks in sid? |
| 10:13.34 | jim_p | how can i delete something from loading upon startup? Am i ok if i delete it from /etc/rc2.d? |
| 10:13.39 | ade|desk | i have checked bts and there are no reports |
| 10:13.46 | wols | jim_p: usually yes |
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| 10:14.41 | jim_p | wols: the name og the script is fglrx! does this mean i will lose X? |
| 10:14.57 | jim_p | *the name of the script |
| 10:15.41 | wols | jim_p: how did you install fglrx? |
| 10:16.01 | wols | I don't know of a debian package adding one there |
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| 10:17.09 | jim_p | wols through the repos. I failed twice doing it through the ati way |
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| 10:18.23 | wols | jim_p: I doubt the repos install that flgrx script |
| 10:18.33 | jim_p | :| |
| 10:18.49 | ade|desk | hmm interesting libglib2 2.16.1-2 stops network-manager from working, 2.14.6-1 works fine, which package should i report the bug to ? |
| 10:18.55 | jim_p | so it must have been the twice-failed attempt of mine! |
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| 10:19.05 | dude_ | does anyone know howto iconify iceweasel to the systray?? |
| 10:19.42 | dondelelcaro | ade|desk: start by filing it against network-manager, but indicate what you observed. |
| 10:19.52 | ade|desk | ok cheers |
| 10:19.56 | dondelelcaro | ade|desk: howeever, you should check both libglib2 and network-manager to see if it hasn't already been filed. |
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| 10:20.26 | dondelelcaro | ade|desk: it'll probably get reassigned to libglib2, but it could actually be a bug in network-manager. |
| 10:21.07 | GuilhermeBrant | Hey,are the linux executables the same as for windows?I mean,I'm compiling under linux,and running the executable here.Will this executable work for windows as well? |
| 10:22.09 | jim_p | GuilhermeBrant: no :( |
| 10:22.18 | wols | quirim: no |
| 10:22.32 | jim_p | GuilhermeBrant: the enviroment is completely different |
| 10:22.57 | GuilhermeBrant | jim : ok...so will I have to be on windows to compile window's executables? |
| 10:23.04 | wols | GuilhermeBrant: sarch your repos for mingw32, it's a crosscompiler for windows |
| 10:23.28 | GuilhermeBrant | I'll take a look at it thanks |
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| 10:28.04 | Lovia | off duty... |
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| 10:41.03 | tralala | !qotd |
| 10:41.04 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". at 205 (2008-01-13) |
| 10:41.10 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 10:41.10 | dpkg | <toggle> by the way I don't have man installed.. |
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| 10:48.33 | O-Zone | hi all |
| 10:48.36 | alex12 | hi |
| 10:48.39 | alex12 | !iask |
| 10:48.41 | alex12 | !ask |
| 10:48.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:48.41 | O-Zone | anybody install debian on an Alpha ES40 ? |
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| 10:49.46 | alex12 | O-Zone, alpha ppc cpu's? |
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| 10:50.07 | Galga | hi, anyone using alsa version 1.0.16 ? can i install it to 8.04 alpha 6 (ubuntu) thanks |
| 10:50.20 | alex12 | !ubuntu |
| 10:50.20 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 10:50.44 | O-Zone | alex12: yes |
| 10:50.52 | alex12 | O-Zone, problems? |
| 10:51.00 | O-Zone | i've downloaded and burned debian-alpha |
| 10:51.05 | kgoetz | Galga: go ask in #ubuntu+1 |
| 10:51.13 | O-Zone | yes: kernel can't see my scsi disks !!! |
| 10:51.19 | Galga | kgoetz: ok |
| 10:51.38 | O-Zone | and it's look strange beaceuse controller is a sym53c8xx |
| 10:51.49 | alex12 | O-Zone, etch ? |
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| 10:52.17 | O-Zone | alex12: yes, the latest (40r3) |
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| 10:52.39 | wols | O-Zone: you still haven't described your problem |
| 10:52.52 | aurax | has anyone tried running a binary made by installjammer? i'm trying to run a binary made by it but nothing happens... for some reason on centos it's works fine. |
| 10:53.05 | O-Zone | wols: i cannot see scsi disks |
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| 10:57.05 | SyntaXe | How do I install tcl? Its a must for the newest version of eggdrop. I tried apt-get install tcl - but still got an error. |
| 10:58.37 | SlayerXP | SyntaXe: there's an unwritten rule of IRC "those not capable of figuring out how to run a bot themselves are not qualified to run a bot" |
| 10:58.51 | amphi | SlayerXP: ;) |
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| 10:59.03 | wols | !tell SyntaXe about search |
| 10:59.34 | icesword | wols, what is the time in you country now |
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| 11:00.11 | cafuego | SyntaXe: Tip: use real - not imaginary - package names. |
| 11:00.21 | wols | icesword: gmt +1 |
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| 11:00.30 | cafuego | is meeeeeeelting |
| 11:00.32 | cafuego | again |
| 11:00.40 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 11:00.50 | icesword | that is 12 am |
| 11:00.58 | cafuego | though possibly not as badly as kgoetz |
| 11:01.22 | icesword | wols, right |
| 11:01.47 | kgoetz | cafuego: if you have aircon, your better off then me |
| 11:02.06 | cafuego | kgoetz: No such beastie here |
| 11:02.15 | cafuego | it's a million degrees in the computer room |
| 11:02.34 | kgoetz | cafuego: ouch. theyget toasty |
| 11:02.38 | cafuego | there is actual nuclear fusion |
| 11:02.44 | kgoetz | hehe |
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| 11:03.09 | kgoetz | has a door ajar, seems to be helping |
| 11:03.23 | kgoetz | (minutely) |
| 11:03.24 | cafuego | the window is open, but it's still 31 outside |
| 11:03.50 | ted_ | hello, I have a question: I want to change my timezone without restarting my application. How can I do this? I set /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone to the correct values, but when asking a new time, it is still using the old timezone |
| 11:04.02 | kgoetz | wow. its definitely cooler here (adelaide hills, big stone building) |
| 11:04.27 | jelly | ted_: unless there's an application specific way to do it, you probably can't |
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| 11:05.34 | cafuego | can't stand it - going back to loungeroom |
| 11:06.08 | kgoetz | later mate |
| 11:06.40 | kryptoz | hi all.. if you have to clean your switch ... how would you do that ? |
| 11:06.50 | SleepingSloth | just a quick question about running programs as root - I understand it's not ideal, but surely running something graphical as root shouldnt result in 'cannot open display' error? or should it? |
| 11:06.54 | ted_ | jelly: thanks, so what do you mean, application specific? |
| 11:07.20 | kryptoz | SleepingSloth: you can use "gksudo" ? |
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| 11:07.32 | ted_ | SleepingSloth: you can use 'sux' or 'kdesu' too |
| 11:08.15 | jelly | ted_: just that. A knob in your app that makes it change the timezone |
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| 11:08.35 | SleepingSloth | yeah, this is more of a general question than a support issue kryptoz ,ted_ - just that after i've used apt to fetch something, i quite often forget to exit before running it, and get an error - I just wondered if there is a problem somewhere, or if that's a deliberate thing... |
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| 11:19.56 | zeld | hi to all |
| 11:19.56 | zeld | ^_^ |
| 11:20.45 | icesword | hello |
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| 11:20.56 | icesword | hmm,italy? |
| 11:20.57 | zeld | i've recompiled the kernel and i get an error on boot Mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux: No such file or directory |
| 11:21.02 | eax | hi all |
| 11:21.06 | zeld | how i can disable selinux |
| 11:21.10 | zeld | i dont want this : D |
| 11:21.13 | zeld | hi eax ^_^ |
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| 11:21.19 | eax | does it exist a web interface to manage fail2ban, iptables, ... ? |
| 11:21.25 | zeld | i've try to put selinux=0 on boot |
| 11:21.27 | zeld | but never |
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| 11:21.40 | maligor | heh, grub2/lvm works for me as long as I have floppy disabled |
| 11:22.00 | cromag | eax: i think firestarter is for iptables |
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| 11:23.38 | eax | cromag: but firestarter is not under a web interface, because it's for a server, not a desktop pc |
| 11:24.36 | icesword | !debian |
| 11:24.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 11:25.44 | cromag | eax: i dont understand, firestarter is a graphical thing. |
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| 11:26.42 | eax | i don't have X, just ssh or web acces to the server |
| 11:27.33 | cromag | eax: oh you want a WEB interface - my bad didnt read it all then. |
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| 11:34.12 | floyd_n_milan | hi |
| 11:34.41 | floyd_n_milan | i need to install only linux-image-xen-686 from unstable while keep rest of the distro on testing |
| 11:34.57 | floyd_n_milan | ideally, only the immediate dependencies of that kernel package should come from unstable |
| 11:35.00 | floyd_n_milan | how do i do this? |
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| 11:35.43 | moshii | I'm trying to get my ldap setup working; I have users that were migrated from local accounts into the directory by the migration scripts and those are fine, now I can't seem to work out how I create new accounts that look the same as those migrated ones with phpldapadmin, and the accounts I can create cause problems. I just want to create accounts like those the migration scripts created |
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| 11:36.47 | moshii | floyd_n_milan: add unstable and pin it lower than testing |
| 11:37.05 | floyd_n_milan | moshii, yeah, how? :) |
| 11:37.11 | floyd_n_milan | could you please point me to the docs? |
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| 11:38.20 | moshii | floyd_n_milan: iirc, unstable is by default at a lower priority to testing anyhow.. so it should just work, if you google for "testing unstable pinning" you should find what you need though |
| 11:38.37 | floyd_n_milan | cool, thanks |
| 11:39.08 | floyd_n_milan | ah found it on the wiki |
| 11:39.18 | floyd_n_milan | i was searching for `priority' and such foo :) |
| 11:39.20 | floyd_n_milan | thanks again |
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| 11:51.44 | kgoetz | anyone know if its posible to get laptops with debian preinstalled? |
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| 11:53.43 | moshii | kgoetz: Such places exist. But you sort of need to specify where you are etc.. |
| 11:54.22 | kgoetz | moshii: yay ! i didnt expect there was. i'm in australia (so things get a little harder) |
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| 11:55.03 | icesword | http://www.linuxcertified.com/debian-linux-laptop.html |
| 11:55.24 | liable | kgoetz: give me your CC details and i'll send it to you in the post .. i promise |
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| 11:55.48 | kgoetz | liable: thats seems reasonable... :P |
| 11:56.04 | kgoetz | icesword: loading ) |
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| 11:56.10 | icesword | hmm |
| 11:56.34 | icesword | google is your friend |
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| 11:58.32 | Frosty- | I want to use the make commandline "-j 4" (allow 4 jobs at once) to speed up a kernal compile with make-kpkg, can/how do I do this? |
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| 11:59.10 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 11:59.11 | kgoetz | icesword: thats step two. :) |
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| 12:02.24 | dury | hey guys.... how do I update this debian "apt-get install update" maybe? |
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| 12:02.50 | moshii | dury: reboot, insert vista cd. |
| 12:03.03 | cafuego | dury: 'apt-get update' to fetch new package lists, 'apt-get upgrade' to fetch new packages. |
| 12:03.16 | cafuego | !lart moshii |
| 12:03.16 | dpkg | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs moshii |
| 12:03.30 | liable | dury: yes, have a read of the reference manual. /msg dpkg refererence |
| 12:03.51 | liable | dury: its quite a good doc as far as reasonable basics go. |
| 12:04.02 | kgoetz | dist-upgrade vtw |
| 12:04.14 | cafuego | isn't that vzw? |
| 12:04.22 | cafuego | vzv even! |
| 12:04.29 | Frosty- | refererence? |
| 12:04.36 | cafuego | Last offer: fzv |
| 12:04.43 | liable | !reference |
| 12:04.43 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 12:04.59 | Frosty- | !refererence |
| 12:05.01 | Frosty- | :) |
| 12:05.40 | dury | volume icon doesn't appear... error in registry.. it said to update |
| 12:06.00 | cafuego | winces |
| 12:06.01 | liable | error in what? |
| 12:06.05 | Frosty- | I can't use "-j 4" with make-kpkg, I set an environment variable of CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4, going to speed up compiles quite a bit :) |
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| 12:06.28 | cafuego | watches FordCortina rust |
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| 12:07.23 | icesword | !sid |
| 12:07.23 | dpkg | methinks sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 12:07.38 | dury | this distro it's based in debian |
| 12:07.47 | dury | on debian |
| 12:08.15 | icesword | you know ,debian is a little old |
| 12:08.51 | dury | in /etc/apt/sources.list I have to do something |
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| 12:09.13 | dury | I don't know how to do it |
| 12:09.13 | liable | dury: you just uttered the words that we dont like to hear in this channel. /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 12:09.19 | icesword | something=? |
| 12:09.23 | Frosty- | !lenny |
| 12:09.23 | dpkg | [lenny] the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wir> <rsn> and <siyh>). |
| 12:09.42 | liable | dury: the people who run your distro will know better how to deal with its problems than we will. |
| 12:10.11 | icesword | liable, sid makes debian unliable?huh? |
| 12:10.16 | liable | Frosty-: use /msg dpkg foo |
| 12:10.27 | liable | icesword: huh? |
| 12:10.54 | icesword | joke,don't mind |
| 12:11.02 | Frosty- | "term of disgust" |
| 12:11.05 | dury | liable: yeah but I'm in the middle of nowhere and to contact them it's really a hazel |
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| 12:11.14 | liable | oh, just that it wasn't funny.. :P |
| 12:11.29 | liable | dury: they dont have an irc channel? |
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| 12:11.35 | dury | no |
| 12:11.49 | liable | dury: use a better supported distro then. |
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| 12:12.15 | dury | but this one it's my language that I want |
| 12:12.16 | icesword | dury, >ubuntu |
| 12:12.57 | dury | I mean this distro it's in my language basque |
| 12:12.57 | icesword | what distro? |
| 12:13.08 | dury | Euslinux |
| 12:13.34 | icesword | ohhh,never ?is it in front 100? |
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| 12:14.02 | dury | iceword: what you mean |
| 12:14.10 | moshii | dury: that's the government supported one isn't? |
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| 12:14.46 | icesword | i mean can i see it in distrowathc? |
| 12:14.58 | dury | moshii: that's right, and there is poor documentation about it |
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| 12:15.17 | sChaaa | hola |
| 12:15.32 | Frosty- | can someone running sid send me linux-patch-debian-2.6.24 |
| 12:15.48 | Frosty- | or where can I get packages manually |
| 12:15.49 | dury | sChaaa: what the heck is that |
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| 12:15.57 | moshii | dury: the problem is that it may be debian based but unless it's just some extra sources on top of a normal debian system it can be a pain in the arse to figure out.. |
| 12:16.05 | mquin | Frosty-: packages.debian.org |
| 12:16.27 | sChaaa | dury, what's happening ? |
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| 12:17.21 | dury | sChaaa: want to edit lidt sources to do apt-get |
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| 12:17.29 | Frosty- | ty mquin |
| 12:17.34 | dury | lidt-> list |
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| 12:18.28 | dury | see what I can do by myself, anyway |
| 12:18.35 | cjsstables | helloall. I need some help joining a smith-e server. Anyone have experience here? |
| 12:18.53 | sChaaa | dury so do it :) |
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| 12:24.29 | scobby_ | hi all |
| 12:24.34 | zykes | anyone here using xen ? |
| 12:25.29 | scobby_ | anyone have an idea why my cpufreq is only maximal 700 mhz in cpufreq_max ? i have a core2duo e6300 with 2,45 ghz |
| 12:25.37 | SlayerXP | zykes: no-one here has ever, does now, or will ever use xen. |
| 12:26.35 | sChaaa | SlayerXP, :) |
| 12:26.36 | sChaaa | xen sucks for it's intrusive coding moove to qemu/kvm |
| 12:26.53 | kgoetz | win move 5 |
| 12:26.56 | kgoetz | bah |
| 12:27.01 | SlayerXP | scobby_: your processor probably supports frequency scaling |
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| 12:27.13 | zykes | what's so crappy about xen ? |
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| 12:27.53 | sChaaa | you don't need a xen kernel to make it work nope zykes ? |
| 12:28.33 | scobby_ | SlayerXP: yes the cpu support that, but alsa when i compile kernel or something else it wont go to maximum |
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| 12:28.44 | Cayn | All C2D processors have speedstepping |
| 12:29.00 | scobby_ | yes i know but my maximum speed is 700 mhz. |
| 12:29.18 | Cayn | Sounds like a bios-problem |
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| 12:29.52 | scobby_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:30.16 | scobby_ | is my only solution for that to shut down speedstep in bios? |
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| 12:30.39 | scobby_ | is there no other way? |
| 12:31.24 | Cayn | scobby_: And how much does cpu1 say? |
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| 12:32.16 | scobby_ | same speed on cpu1 |
| 12:32.33 | scobby_ | in windows i have full 2,45 ghz |
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| 12:34.15 | Frosty- | do I *have* to apply debian patches to the kernel? |
| 12:37.10 | maligor | why would you? |
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| 12:37.40 | Frosty- | I thought that was the debian way |
| 12:37.50 | maligor | not really |
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| 12:38.07 | Frosty- | well okay, the patch fails horribly so I just wont bother :) |
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| 12:38.25 | maligor | the debian way is the use of kernel-package |
| 12:38.45 | maligor | it makes a .deb out of any kernel source set |
| 12:39.01 | Frosty- | which is what I'll be doing, but I thought prior to compiling you needed to add the deban patch |
| 12:39.06 | delcoyote | hi |
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| 12:39.43 | Odgor | hallo? |
| 12:39.45 | dury | heys when loading lvm10 and then configuring it says....LVM driver/module not loaded and then vgcfgbackup - no volume groups found I guess it's the reason why not volumen icon appear when the system loads |
| 12:40.24 | Odgor | ... |
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| 12:40.31 | dury | what can I do about it |
| 12:41.01 | maligor | Frosty-, no, doesn't need it, I'm running a realtime patched kernel with no patches from the debian project |
| 12:41.20 | dury | I'm doing my best |
| 12:41.28 | dury | gesss :( |
| 12:42.08 | dury | just a little support I would really appreciate it that's all |
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| 12:42.28 | Lsodi | hi, any asus eeepc users here who are using latest lenny? do you have any problems with shutdown? almost after every shutdow it checks / partitoin because it was uncleany unmounted. |
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| 12:45.56 | dury | bbl |
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| 12:51.51 | WormFood | Good evening everyone. Where can I download old packages for debian sid? I need to downgrade a package that is now broken, and I can't find it anywhere. |
| 12:52.03 | petemc | !sdn |
| 12:52.03 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 12:52.15 | WormFood | thanks petemc |
| 12:52.19 | petemc | np |
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| 13:01.29 | Cacheaway | can you upgrade from sarge to etch and keep php at php4? would pinning accomplish this? |
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| 13:01.55 | Justin | Cacheaway: etch comes with php4 |
| 13:02.34 | WormFood | petemc, thank you, thank you, thank you, that was exactly what I needed....I finally got this annoying problem fixed that has been bugging me for over a month. |
| 13:02.38 | Cacheaway | i was told that the upgrade would bring you to php5 automatically |
| 13:02.51 | Cacheaway | not so? |
| 13:05.59 | Cacheaway | Justin, so if I upgrade from sarge to etch, I'll stay at PHP4 |
| 13:06.26 | cafuego | Cacheaway: correct |
| 13:06.44 | cafuego | Cacheaway: it doesn't just replace apckages with completely different ones if the same ones are still available. |
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| 13:07.11 | cafuego | !info libapache2-mod-php4 etch |
| 13:07.14 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2 module)), section net, is optional. Version: 6:4.4.4-8+etch4 (etch), Packaged size: 1559 kB, Installed size: 3064 kB |
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| 13:07.46 | MolePrince | !releases |
| 13:07.46 | dpkg | [releases] See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 13:07.48 | eeyore- | how are you guys? long time no see :-) |
| 13:08.21 | MolePrince | Is there an installer ISO for unstable? |
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| 13:09.04 | eeyore- | MolePrince: probably unofficial one(s) out there. why not install "base" stable and upgrade? |
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| 13:09.22 | WormFood | MolePrince, I install unusable (what I call unstable) from tftp...it is worth the extra effort to setup if you can boot from the network. |
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| 13:09.50 | MolePrince | eeyore-: The last time I tried that I wound up with a bunch of cruft leftover from sarge. |
| 13:10.20 | eeyore- | MolePrince: i don't see why? you just edit the sources.list and dist-upgrade ... should not be anything left over |
| 13:10.44 | eeyore- | MolePrince: unless by "left over" you mean packages that aren't upgraded in unstable anyway (so they are the same, anyway) |
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| 13:12.30 | rdz | hi all. i am using swiss german keyboard layout and if i accidently hit an 'umlaut' key such as 'ä', 'ö' or 'ü' in the bash, i have to press 'backspace' twice in order to correctly remove it. i assume it is some charset issue. is that a problem in my debian installation in general or with bash? |
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| 13:12.59 | MolePrince | eeyore-: Ok, I may try it again. I just got done playing with FreeBSD's bran new 7.0 release and Ubuntu's hardy heron beta.. and I figured I'd poke at Debian again. |
| 13:13.11 | eeyore- | rdz: what's your "LANG" variable? |
| 13:13.23 | MolePrince | WormFood: I'm not sure if it can or not, actually. I've never tried netbooting my laptop. |
| 13:13.47 | rdz | eeyore-, en_US |
| 13:14.25 | eeyore- | rdz: in the dm (kdm/gdm), tell it to use en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 13:14.39 | rdz | eeyore-, aah thank you very much |
| 13:15.24 | rdz | eeyore-, is the window manager responsible for that? i am using neither of gnome nor kde, but fluxbox |
| 13:15.40 | eeyore- | rdz: well, this just makes you use international charset :-) doesn't get rid of the accented characters if you didn't need them |
| 13:15.41 | rdz | eeyore-, so i need to tell fluxbox to use en_US.UTF-8? |
| 13:15.48 | eeyore- | rdz: possibly |
| 13:15.55 | WormFood | MolePrince, see if you get an option to do that...if it can, it is well worth the effort...the time it took me to setup tftp and dhcp was saved after installing it a few times |
| 13:15.56 | rdz | eeyore-, thanks a lot for your help |
| 13:16.02 | eeyore- | rdz: no prob |
| 13:16.30 | WormFood | I know on my laptop (thinkpad T30), I can hit F12 and get a menu to select the boot device |
| 13:16.33 | eeyore- | rdz: were you actually looking to get rid of the accidental key presses? |
| 13:16.36 | MolePrince | WormFood: Do you use your main machine/server to boot the image off of, or a virtual machine? |
| 13:17.09 | WormFood | I only boot the image once, to install debian, after that it does not touch the netboot |
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| 13:17.32 | WormFood | and I boot it on whatever machine I'm installing debian on |
| 13:17.47 | MolePrince | WormFood: Right, I meant the tftp server. |
| 13:17.49 | eeyore- | MolePrince: it's probably just the tftp boot kernel + a bunch of files and that's all there is to it |
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| 13:18.08 | WormFood | the tftp server can be any machine on your local subnet |
| 13:18.13 | rdz | eeyore-, no, i just noticed, that when i accidently press an umlaut in a bash on ubuntu, i can remove it by only hitting 'backspace' one, which seems logical to me, because i want to remove only one character. but on debian it needs to 'backspace's to remove an umlaut |
| 13:18.22 | WormFood | you have to tell the client, through dhcp, where the tftp server is |
| 13:18.27 | MolePrince | Can I set up say a Debian image running in a virtual machine on my windows desktop? |
| 13:18.36 | abrotman | MolePrince: yes |
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| 13:19.01 | eeyore- | MolePrince: of course |
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| 13:19.15 | abrotman | waves at eeyore- |
| 13:19.19 | rdz | eeyore-, basically i would like to have this behaviour fixed, which means, i would like to be able to remove each character with only one 'backspace'. otherwise what i see in the terminal and what the terminal understand is not congruet |
| 13:19.20 | MolePrince | Sweet. I reboot now and see if my machine supports netboot. |
| 13:19.27 | eeyore- | hey abrotman! |
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| 13:20.10 | eeyore- | rdz: in that case you just have to turn on internationalization support for your application, and LANG=... will do that as long as you set it very early on (in dm or in your window manager's setting somewhere) |
| 13:20.36 | ttf | I have a simple patch which I would like to apply to a debian package which doesn't have patches yet. The patch is used for company-internal stuff only. What is the easiest way of including this patch - cdbs? |
| 13:20.45 | rdz | eeyore-, i need to turn on internationalization for bash? |
| 13:20.56 | WormFood | has anyone tried asian input methods in x11? I've seen the packages for it, but have not tried it yet. I was curious to see how it works |
| 13:21.08 | eeyore- | rdz: no, debian's bash already include i18n support, you just have to set the proper locale (LANG=) |
| 13:21.27 | eeyore- | rdz: otherwise, en_US = 8-bit only |
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| 13:21.55 | rdz | eeyore-, ah thank you very much for your help and your patience |
| 13:22.25 | eeyore- | ttf: mmmm, build your own .deb? |
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| 13:22.58 | eeyore- | what's up abrotman? |
| 13:23.02 | RichiH | so.. thoughts on the best way to make a full system backup while the system is up and running? |
| 13:23.06 | abrotman | eeyore-: not much .. enjoying your nice weather? |
| 13:23.06 | bullweivel | how can i force apt-get to reinstall a package although it says its the newest? i screwed up apache and want to reinstall over top itself...how can i do that ?? |
| 13:23.14 | RichiH | i know what i am thinking, but what do you guys come up with |
| 13:23.18 | DustyBin | RichiH: mondo |
| 13:23.22 | RichiH | it is ext3, if that matters |
| 13:23.25 | abrotman | RichiH: i think you're thinking about beer |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | oh .. nope |
| 13:23.32 | eeyore- | abrotman: i have no idea. i just got back from cambridge and it was nice and warm over there ... useless of me to bring a thick jacket :-p |
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| 13:23.36 | DustyBin | daniel_John: http://www.mondorescue.org/ |
| 13:23.42 | DustyBin | RichiH: http://www.mondorescue.org/ |
| 13:23.48 | abrotman | eeyore-: ah .. family trip? |
| 13:24.07 | eeyore- | abrotman: work :-) seven days of it and london is enough :-p i am so glad to be home |
| 13:24.12 | DustyBin | RichiH: system backups need to be 'bare-metal' |
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| 13:24.28 | abrotman | eeyore-: ah .. at least you got to go! |
| 13:25.09 | eeyore- | abrotman: now on the other hand if i had see professor hawking then THAT would have been awesome |
| 13:25.12 | bullweivel | how can i force apt-get to reinstall a package although it says its the newest? i screwed up apache and want to reinstall over top itself...how can i do that ?? |
| 13:25.28 | abrotman | eeyore-: you could have seen other #debian-ites |
| 13:26.05 | eeyore- | RichiH: dump & restore? :-) |
| 13:26.30 | slidesinger | What's the best tool to use when connecting to a device console (in this case a Cisco switch) over a serial cable? |
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| 13:26.33 | sysadmin-lb22 | hey all.I have a file in logrotate.d/ but the postscript does not seem to be executing..which log file should I look at for debug info ? |
| 13:26.36 | abrotman | bullweivel: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 13:26.42 | eeyore- | DustyBin: well dump & restore is as bare-metal as it's gonna get ... |
| 13:26.52 | ttf | eeyore-: the package already exists in debian - it's just a patch I'd like to apply to it |
| 13:26.52 | abrotman | slidesinger: minicom or kermit or screen |
| 13:26.56 | DustyBin | never heard of dump and restore |
| 13:26.59 | eeyore- | DustyBin: you can even put the dumped image on the network, boot from a livecd and restore :-) |
| 13:27.08 | slidesinger | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 13:27.09 | ttf | eeyore-: I could either patch the source directly or use a patch system |
| 13:27.12 | abrotman | DustyBin: many unix variants have dump/restore |
| 13:27.16 | bullweivel | abrotman: well i deleted some stuff on accident.. so im trying to reinstall apache back onto itself. |
| 13:27.16 | eeyore- | ttf: right, so you can make your own package, add -custom suffix or something |
| 13:27.22 | abrotman | bullweivel: conf files? |
| 13:27.32 | DustyBin | aye ok |
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| 13:27.43 | bullweivel | abrotman: nope..actual files from wherever apache is installed. |
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| 13:28.02 | abrotman | bullweivel: okay .. which files? |
| 13:28.05 | ttf | eeyore-: that's what I was about todo - I'm just wondering which patch system is the easiest to use if you just want to apply a singel, simple patch |
| 13:28.06 | MolePrince | WormFood: I'm reading this http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en but I don't see where it says how to check/configure the client for netbooting, just the server side. |
| 13:28.15 | bullweivel | abrotman: i have the .conf files backed up... just wanted to reinstall.. i have dependencies so I cant do a total dpkg --purge without causing lost of work. |
| 13:28.18 | bullweivel | lots of work. |
| 13:28.33 | abrotman | bullweivel: aptitude reinstall apache2.2-common perhaps ? |
| 13:28.50 | WormFood | MolePrince, of course, they can't cover every client (motherboard/laptop/whatever)...you'll need to look in your bios |
| 13:28.54 | eeyore- | DustyBin: "dump" (not dumpe2fs) basically dumps e2fs/ext3 to a file. this file has all the inode information as well as some ext2/3 metadata. "restore" then restores this and recreates all the paths, atime, ctime, mtime, etc. so it's pretty faithful to the original |
| 13:29.00 | babilen | MolePrince: you should be able to activate PXE booting in your BIOS |
| 13:29.07 | abrotman | if the NIC supports it |
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| 13:29.23 | WormFood | MolePrince, you may be able to boot from a floppy or usb drive and make it netboot too, and if your nic is external (not on the motherboard), you may want a boot rom |
| 13:29.29 | DustyBin | eeyore-: interesting |
| 13:29.31 | MolePrince | WormFood: I see boot order for CD, A:, and fixed drive, nothing about my nic. |
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| 13:30.03 | WormFood | you may have to enable it in your bios...or your motherboard may not support netboot |
| 13:30.21 | WormFood | how old is the machine? |
| 13:30.36 | eeyore- | MolePrince: ok the way it works is you have to have a server that speaks TFTP. tell it where the boot image files are. then the client is told to use netboot (probably PXEboot in case of PC). the client sends out DHCP packet. DHCP server responds with IP address. client sends BOOTP/TFTP packet. DHCP server responds with the server's IP. |
| 13:30.38 | MolePrince | WormFood: Fairly. p2 300 |
| 13:30.42 | WormFood | i have found old machines, from early 2000s that support it |
| 13:30.48 | WormFood | no, I doubt P2 would support it |
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| 13:30.58 | WormFood | my old P2s that support net boot, don't work...but my P3s do |
| 13:31.05 | SlayerXP | the motherboard is irrelavent |
| 13:31.06 | eeyore- | MolePrince: client then goes to TFTP server and downloads the image. The image is loaded and starts to execute. So the important things are: (1) DHCP server, (2) TFTP server, (3) the image file |
| 13:31.07 | babilen | MolePrince: Have a look around if there are any PXE related settings in your BIOS. Otherwise you might be out of luck. Especially given that your machine is seven years old. |
| 13:31.15 | SlayerXP | it's if the NIC supports netbooting or not |
| 13:31.28 | SlayerXP | a p2 with a pxe-capable nix will cheerfully boot off the net |
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| 13:31.56 | WormFood | MolePrince, you'll be out of luck for netboot support on motherboard...you'll want a boot floppy or boot rom...OR, other methods....netboot in your case may not be worth the effort on the client side |
| 13:32.02 | babilen | MolePrince: You might be able to use a different NIC which is PXE capable. |
| 13:32.05 | sep | WormFood, for old machines that does not do pxeboot, i used a floppy from rom-o-matic.net with the correct nic driver + pxe stack on. |
| 13:32.24 | WormFood | sep, that was what I was suggesting with a boot floppy |
| 13:32.27 | eeyore- | usually anything 3-com should support PXE. or, VIA rhine (mini-itx) |
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| 13:33.12 | eeyore- | aren't most "novell" NIC cards supposed to do PXE? |
| 13:33.26 | MolePrince | Thanks. I have a 3com pcmcia card. Forget the exact model, but I can check rom-o-matic. |
| 13:33.40 | WormFood | it has nothing to do with the NIC itself, it is the software that supports PXE |
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| 13:33.56 | WormFood | any nic can do PXE with the right software! |
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| 13:34.04 | DustyBin | i have a remote web server, i would like to backup that server automatically maybe once a week, to do that, it means i will have to enable root access via ssh, and to enable my script to work, i would need to make use of public / private keys via ssh |
| 13:34.08 | eeyore- | WormFood: well of course, duh ... it's more like the Novell-compatible badge is supposed to include this feature |
| 13:34.24 | eeyore- | WormFood: kind of like what you can expect with "Centrino" badging |
| 13:34.25 | WormFood | I don't think so |
| 13:34.41 | daniel_John | when I enable my screen saver I get this message : "The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0". Launch it now?" |
| 13:34.56 | WormFood | in any case...what MolePrince needs is a boot floppy or a boot rom....or, it would probably be easier for him to boot from cdrom |
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| 13:35.09 | daniel_John | how do i fix this so it is automatically enabled ? |
| 13:35.27 | eeyore- | DustyBin: ok, and? (ssh) |
| 13:35.39 | RichiH | DustyBin: will look at it, thanks |
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| 13:35.47 | RichiH | eeyore-: with xfs, i would just dump it, ya |
| 13:35.57 | RichiH | problem is, ext3 stinks |
| 13:36.13 | eeyore- | RichiH: it does? |
| 13:36.26 | RichiH | in my experience, it does |
| 13:36.27 | DustyBin | ext4 smells like roses :P |
| 13:36.39 | Supaplex | eeyore-: RichiH's using ext5 ;) |
| 13:37.08 | WormFood | use murderfs....er I mean, reiserfs ;) |
| 13:37.12 | eeyore- | can't say ext3 has ever bitten me yet ... but that's just me |
| 13:38.57 | Supaplex | !start an fs war |
| 13:38.57 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 13:38.59 | geggam | is going to an interview to spread debian to the masses |
| 13:39.34 | liable | wishes geggam luck |
| 13:39.37 | geggam | 90k/yr to be an evangalist for linux ? |
| 13:39.44 | geggam | funny part is i prefer BSD |
| 13:39.45 | geggam | :D |
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| 13:39.53 | liable | !lart geggam |
| 13:39.53 | dpkg | executes killall -TERM geggam |
| 13:39.55 | eeyore- | geggam: what kind of scam is this? |
| 13:39.56 | geggam | rotfl |
| 13:40.12 | liable | i want in! |
| 13:40.20 | geggam | sorry.. BSD stole my heart at version 4.1 |
| 13:40.27 | geggam | i do have a mail server on debian |
| 13:40.32 | liable | and stabbed it in 7 |
| 13:40.36 | geggam | -_- |
| 13:40.42 | geggam | for cheating ? |
| 13:40.53 | eeyore- | never really got into the whole bsd thing ... |
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| 13:41.12 | geggam | im not really a person who cares |
| 13:41.19 | liable | didnt either, and is just slightly trolling ;) |
| 13:41.31 | geggam | i used to be for a different flavor every other month |
| 13:41.45 | geggam | but im sort of braggin.. this job is a university |
| 13:41.52 | geggam | i can convert people |
| 13:42.18 | eeyore- | university job pays 90k/year? i need a raise asap |
| 13:42.41 | geggam | how many years u have in *nix ? |
| 13:43.05 | eeyore- | geggam: i need to use base-2 to count on my hands ... |
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| 13:44.16 | RichiH | eeyore-: over the years, i have found that hdds and fs are picky beasts |
| 13:44.30 | RichiH | reiserfs quite literally hates me |
| 13:44.37 | geggam | eeyore-, i dont know what to tell u ... get a better headhunter ? |
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| 13:44.50 | RichiH | every single time i touched a reiserfs system, it went down in flames within two weeks |
| 13:44.54 | SlayerXP | people using reiserfs get exactly what they deserve |
| 13:44.59 | SlayerXP | i.e. reiserfs |
| 13:45.00 | eeyore- | RichiH: that sounds about right |
| 13:45.14 | ghatak | Hi, i am trying to configure exim to smarthost, however there is a vaiable in config , DEBCONFlocal_domainsDEBCONF which I can't find reference to, local_domains = DEBCONFlocal_domainsDEBCONF, this how it is set up, as i need to find out what is local_domains, can anyone help me if this can be modified ? |
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| 13:45.17 | moshii | <3 xfs |
| 13:45.19 | RichiH | ext3 just dislikes me. it usually dies within a year |
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| 13:45.39 | moshii | RichiH: sure that isn't the disk itself failing? |
| 13:45.41 | RichiH | yah, xfs lost data exactly once, for me. and that was on a broken hdd |
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| 13:45.55 | eeyore- | ghatak: sounds like debconf screws it up :-) replace with actual domain why don't you? |
| 13:46.06 | muszek | hi |
| 13:46.08 | RichiH | moshii: problem with ext3 is that it does not handle power cuts gracefully |
| 13:46.14 | duns_s | i have moved my luks+lvm root debian testing system to a raid-1 setup for the the boot partition and the luks partition (all of the disk) |
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| 13:46.22 | RichiH | and laptops just die, sometimes |
| 13:46.32 | eeyore- | RichiH: my laptop dies all the time ... ext3 comes back up every time |
| 13:46.34 | asg | RichiH: never had that problem myself |
| 13:46.35 | ghatak | eeyore-: yes true, however exim config was configured with dpkg-reconfigure exim-config |
| 13:46.36 | RichiH | xfs never acted badly when my laptops lost power |
| 13:46.43 | duns_s | all partitions are set to type fd (raid autodetect) |
| 13:46.51 | moshii | mmm my laptop goes in suspend to ram when it runs out of juice |
| 13:46.53 | ghatak | eeyore-: it is going to overwrite it at next run of this command |
| 13:46.59 | eeyore- | duns:s: good for you |
| 13:47.04 | trpr | ext3 doesn't handle crashing gracefully? what is the journaling for them? |
| 13:47.06 | geggam | my laptop gets uptimes that run par with the server |
| 13:47.08 | duns_s | still only md0 (/boot) is detected on boot,while cryptsetup fails because md1 is missing |
| 13:47.08 | muszek | how much slower should ssh transfers be than ftp ones? I'm trying to determine if my ISP messes with encrypted traffic... ssh download is 8x slower ower here (same file, same server). |
| 13:47.09 | sep | RichiH, now that depends on what journal method you choose to use. perhaps you should reevaluate your journal method |
| 13:47.12 | trpr | then. sounds like a bunch of bull ;p |
| 13:47.14 | duns_s | any tipps? |
| 13:47.19 | geggam | half |
| 13:47.21 | duns_s | or ideas? |
| 13:47.23 | eeyore- | geggam: you obviously don't run ati + compiz |
| 13:47.24 | geggam | muszek, |
| 13:47.27 | liable | mine gets unclean shutdowns rather more often than i like, and ext3 hasnt let me down yet |
| 13:47.35 | geggam | xfce eeyore- |
| 13:47.41 | geggam | intel |
| 13:47.41 | eeyore- | riiight :-) |
| 13:47.46 | RichiH | asg, eeyore-: when i said that FS are picky beasts, i mean it. they seem to be able to know who uses them and then either function or not. i know someone who uses ext3. he tried xfs a few times and lost his data within weeks. i know this is highly irrational, btw ;) |
| 13:47.59 | RichiH | sep: does ext3 support different ones? |
| 13:48.11 | trpr | yes. it makes perfect sense. computers are emotional like people. it simply doesn't like you |
| 13:48.11 | sep | RichiH, atlest 3 that i know about |
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| 13:48.31 | duns_s | has anybody experience with the intel 965gm chipset and a full hd resolution 1920x1080? |
| 13:48.34 | geggam | muszek, encryption generally at least halves your speed |
| 13:48.38 | WormFood | Linux IS user friendly...it is just picky about its friends! |
| 13:48.39 | muszek | geggam: thank you |
| 13:48.44 | asg | RichiH: last time I looked at the ext3 codebase, I didn't see anything about instropecting it's owner :) |
| 13:48.46 | moshii | RichiH: fs problems are generally bad disks/controller hardware |
| 13:49.09 | eeyore- | duns_s: if/when i can convince the PTB to buy me a T61 then i can experience 1920x1080 :-) |
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| 13:49.33 | RichiH | sep: got a link/manpage for me? |
| 13:49.58 | RichiH | moshii: i routinely run large smart tests on my stuff |
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| 13:50.07 | eeyore- | fwiw, the T60 (61?) is really nice ... except for the big-ass resolution and smallish screen ... |
| 13:50.08 | Aw0L | is there a way to install only certain packages from the unstable sources? |
| 13:50.19 | RichiH | asg: see how evil the code is? you don't even notice! |
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| 13:50.34 | themill | RichiH: man tune2fs has some info |
| 13:50.36 | asg | RichiH: must be embedded in the compiler then. |
| 13:50.37 | duns_s | well my experiences with the intel chipset are not the best, especially watching movies and having some kind of composition manager on sucks |
| 13:50.39 | sep | RichiH, it's under ext3 optins in man mount, you can also read http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html |
| 13:51.02 | RichiH | themill: ta |
| 13:51.15 | RichiH | sep: ta |
| 13:51.16 | themill | RichiH: np. sep's link is probably more complete though |
| 13:51.17 | duns_s | any ideas why my raid disks are not autodetected before crypsetup? |
| 13:51.25 | geggam | ive never had any issues with any intel but i dont get into eye candy that much... |
| 13:51.27 | moshii | RichiH: it's not just that. if you have a bad controller, say one of the older via ones that doesnt like lots of pci stuff going on, you can silently corrupt your data and it'll look like an fs problem |
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| 13:51.42 | RichiH | moshii: true |
| 13:51.43 | GuilhermeBrant | Which codecs shall I install in order to be able to watch windows media video 9 movies? |
| 13:51.56 | duns_s | geggam: well it is really bad with kwin4 with me |
| 13:52.00 | RichiH | !tell GuilhermeBrant about debian-multimedia |
| 13:52.06 | RichiH | GuilhermeBrant: w32codecs |
| 13:52.08 | duns_s | kwin (from kde4) |
| 13:52.20 | geggam | my wife runs kde4 on nvidia |
| 13:52.22 | sep | moshii, or anythign cheap by promise |
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| 13:52.30 | geggam | crashes less than vista |
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| 13:52.40 | duns_s | geggam: i guess nvidia is better |
| 13:53.02 | geggam | that or u try to do more things duns_s |
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| 13:53.40 | eeyore- | well kwin4 is pretty darn slow with compositing ... |
| 13:53.44 | moshii | sep: to be honest, with the amount of different caches, cores and other stuff inside a modern pc I'm pretty surprised data doesnt get munged up more often than not. |
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| 13:53.56 | eeyore- | better off killing kwin4 and run compiz :-) |
| 13:54.18 | duns_s | geggam: kwin4 fits much better in the environment than compiz imho |
| 13:54.24 | themill | except that kwin is a much better window manager |
| 13:54.25 | geggam | ive ran beryl on this 1.7 ghz intel laptop and it is smooth duns_s |
| 13:54.26 | eeyore- | moshii: brought to you by the verification teams |
| 13:54.32 | duns_s | sure it is |
| 13:54.33 | themill | !info kwin4 |
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| 13:54.35 | sep | hehe :) |
| 13:54.37 | geggam | i just cant stand that much gui |
| 13:54.41 | dpkg | kwin4: (Connect Four clone for KDE), section games, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 166 kB, Installed size: 440 kB |
| 13:54.48 | themill | ^^ and you might like to call it something other than kwin4 |
| 13:55.05 | duns_s | k4win |
| 13:55.25 | geggam | eeyore-, ever go to configuring a windows DNS server and forget how to right click to set hosts ? |
| 13:55.25 | duns_s | i know that game, but it is renamed now |
| 13:55.28 | themill | (actually, the game kwin4 has been renamed in kde4 for precisely this reason) |
| 13:55.35 | geggam | i had to actually call someone and ask |
| 13:55.40 | eeyore- | geggam: no, not really |
| 13:56.03 | eeyore- | geggam: it's on the left-hand side |
| 13:56.10 | geggam | -_- |
| 13:56.11 | eeyore- | geggam: right-click on the zone |
| 13:56.19 | duns_s | still any ideas how i can find out why my kernel/initrd.img does not detect both raid-1 arrays (boot+luks/lvm)? |
| 13:56.33 | geggam | i dont use a mouse much eeyore- ... cli is so much faster |
| 13:56.39 | duns_s | md0 is autodetected, md1 (luks/lvm) isn't... |
| 13:56.42 | moshii | duns_s: you have told it to only start md0 at boot? |
| 13:56.59 | WormFood | geggam, you are so right! CLI is MUCH faster than any GUI for most things |
| 13:57.00 | duns_s | moshii: how do i tell it to start md1,too? |
| 13:57.12 | eeyore- | WormFood: it is? |
| 13:57.17 | duns_s | WormFood: for example for webbrowsing... |
| 13:57.25 | duns_s | or movie watching |
| 13:57.27 | maligor | and graphics editing |
| 13:57.30 | moshii | duns_s: um, you need to tell it to start all the arrays maybe. you need to dpkg-reconfigure mdadm I think |
| 13:57.31 | WormFood | I said for "most things" |
| 13:57.42 | maligor | I ported gimp to libcaca too! |
| 13:57.44 | eeyore- | mplayer -vo ascii-art ... |
| 13:57.45 | geggam | dont give into that ...lynx with a framebuffer |
| 13:57.50 | duns_s | lol |
| 13:58.00 | WormFood | 98% of the things I do I use CLI for, and I can run circles around GUI users for those tasks |
| 13:58.04 | eeyore- | sharks!!!!!! |
| 13:58.34 | WormFood | not only is the GUI slower, because it needs more processing power/time to draw the screen, but I do things on a regular basis I simply can't do with a GUI |
| 13:58.40 | eeyore- | ____/\_____ |
| 13:58.55 | duns_s | WormFood: my brother surfs 98% percent of his time on youtube, so this is completely the opposite... |
| 13:58.59 | moshii | WormFood: Drawing is done in hardware if you have hardware to do it |
| 13:59.10 | geggam | surfing on youtube is not what i would call productive |
| 13:59.17 | liable | hmm, call ops on an op for acsii art.. |
| 13:59.23 | WormFood | it still takes more processing power to send those extra commands to the hardware |
| 13:59.26 | liable | ;) |
| 13:59.36 | moshii | WormFood: that linux virtual terminals probably aren't all that fast unless your fb driver supports that stuff too... |
| 13:59.46 | duns_s | WormFood: what hardware do you have that you consider the drawing of the gui an issue? |
| 13:59.48 | geggam | looks like that old artillery game eeyore- |
| 13:59.49 | moshii | WormFood: setting up dma transfers isnt hard. |
| 13:59.55 | eeyore- | liable: i abuse my power :-) bwahahaha |
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| 14:00.24 | WormFood | just getting a list of files in a GUI takes longer than dumping them to a text screen, even if that text screen is in a GUI |
| 14:00.24 | duns_s | imo learning keyboard shortcuts for editors (text,video,sound,3d,...) is what makes you really productive |
| 14:00.28 | eeyore- | guys this cli vs gui is, what, decades old? |
| 14:00.34 | liable | eeyore-: so, what shall we do tonight? |
| 14:00.35 | duns_s | learning the bash is nothing else |
| 14:00.38 | geggam | 33mhz IBM i had would run X but if u used the mouse the processor went to 100% |
| 14:00.45 | duns_s | eeyore-: but it is always fun |
| 14:00.49 | geggam | wouldnt even play an mp3 |
| 14:01.03 | eeyore- | why don't we bitch about ruby vs php or something tonight? for a change? |
| 14:01.08 | moshii | geggam: probably polling somewhere or a realy shit irq handler |
| 14:01.08 | geggam | took 2 days for FBSD to run a buildworld |
| 14:01.11 | WormFood | of course, some things a GUI is more productive and faster...for example GRAPHICAL applications, like drawing! |
| 14:01.11 | liable | hah |
| 14:01.22 | liable | funny you mentioned that actually |
| 14:01.53 | geggam | couldnt u just plot the points graphically in somethinglike a hexeditor ? |
| 14:02.15 | geggam | use the imagination ? |
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| 14:02.26 | eeyore- | geggam: that's old-skool atari game programming i'll have you know ... bring out the graph paper! |
| 14:02.37 | MolePrince | I just got done using FBSD. Some things they do pretty neat, but pkg/ports drove me back to Debian. Felt so paleolithic. |
| 14:02.40 | themill | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight |
| 14:02.40 | dpkg | themill: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 14:02.46 | geggam | i thought we had to do that sometime |
| 14:02.55 | geggam | poke andpeek with sprites ? |
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| 14:03.10 | geggam | dontmake me break out the tandy and commodore |
| 14:03.11 | eeyore- | geggam: that's commode-door 64 |
| 14:03.30 | geggam | i have one of those working... |
| 14:03.31 | duns_s | moshii: going to reboot, hope it works now... |
| 14:03.38 | geggam | not sure why |
| 14:03.43 | duns_s | thx, cu later |
| 14:03.56 | geggam | got joysticks tape drive floppy drive too |
| 14:03.59 | eeyore- | i'm just hurt that my amiga's are just gathering dust. damn you irving ghoul! |
| 14:04.09 | geggam | 1541 floppy |
| 14:04.16 | geggam | bigger than my laptop |
| 14:04.17 | eeyore- | *gronk* *gronk* |
| 14:04.33 | moshii | eeyore-: donate them to the m68k port |
| 14:04.42 | moshii | eeyore-: they need buildds baaaaad |
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| 14:04.54 | eeyore- | moshii: give it up ... |
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| 14:05.06 | eeyore- | moshii: even a netwinder is faster than that thing :-) |
| 14:05.07 | geggam | hardware mooching ? |
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| 14:05.38 | geggam | ok.... its time to go put on the suit |
| 14:05.42 | moshii | eeyore-: you don't have a m68k/powerpc card in your amigas? tsk tsk |
| 14:06.40 | MolePrince | Now I remember why I didn't use the Etch install CD. Not a one of my four network adapters are recognized or work. Zd1211rw gets an interface at least, but it won't accept an IP. |
| 14:06.42 | eeyore- | moshii: sorry, i wasn't made out of money then :-) (still isn't, now, but that's what you get for having two kids) |
| 14:06.46 | fjfalcon | i heard rumor... about lenny will coming up in autumn... is this true? |
| 14:07.29 | eeyore- | MolePrince: what the heck is an zd1211rw? wifi? |
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| 14:07.56 | MolePrince | eeyore-: Yeah, it's a Zydas based usb wifi stick. I also have a 3com pcmcia network card and an ralink edimax usb wifi that arne't recognized at all. |
| 14:07.58 | WormFood | MolePrince, abandon that idea, and make a boot cd or some other method |
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| 14:08.54 | grand_grunt | MolePrince: are you trying to find all non Linux-compatible ethernet devices of the world? |
| 14:09.16 | eeyore- | MolePrince: you probably just have to associate with the AP somehow (iwconfig? wpa_supplicant?) |
| 14:09.27 | grand_grunt | MolePrince: I've never had any problem with Etch and Ethernet.. with normal material ^^ |
| 14:09.31 | MolePrince | grand_grunt: They work fine once I have a system running, but the Debian installer sure doesn't recognize them. |
| 14:09.47 | grand_grunt | MolePrince: Ouch.. in this case.; |
| 14:09.47 | eeyore- | MolePrince: there's something to be said about $5-bluelight special hardware |
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| 14:11.04 | MolePrince | eeyore-: Hardly, the ralink stick is a pretty solid and widely-used model. I actually got it as FreeBSD runs it like a charm, but it's pickier under Linux it seems. |
| 14:11.12 | eeyore- | MolePrince: you may require firmware for the wifi stuff to work. i wouldn't know for sure. ipw2100/2200 does require firmware. the broadcomm requires version 3 firmware you can extract from windows drivers |
| 14:11.47 | MolePrince | eeyore-: I tried manually associating with iwconfig to my AP and it says my AP is invalid. |
| 14:11.58 | eeyore- | wep or wpa? |
| 14:12.44 | MolePrince | eeyore-: Neither. Open |
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| 14:13.05 | eeyore- | so why doesn't it associate? doesn't make sense .. it should |
| 14:13.34 | eeyore- | too much pr0n clogging it up? (check to make sure you're not filtering mac addresses) |
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| 14:14.24 | MolePrince | eeyore-: Just did ;) |
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| 14:15.05 | liable | MolePrince: theres been a lot of dev work on those wireless drivers. i am surpised etch even sees any |
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| 14:15.28 | MolePrince | Oh.. right. It told me that it registered the wireless driver, but I had to check dmesg to find that it hadn't loaded any firmware :p |
| 14:15.44 | MolePrince | Not very informative installer. |
| 14:16.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | does the debian grub have memtest availabe? |
| 14:16.15 | liable | Kamping_Kaiser: if you install it. |
| 14:16.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, sweet. thanks mate |
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| 14:16.57 | liable | yw |
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| 14:17.58 | garou | Hi. |
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| 14:18.18 | eeyore- | firmware! firmware! firmware! we refuse to work without firmware! |
| 14:18.23 | Knight_Lord | How can I test which shell is running? |
| 14:18.28 | Knight_Lord | From inside a script |
| 14:18.35 | garou | Warning, n00b/question. What package do I have to reconfigure to change the kezboard lazout? |
| 14:18.41 | eeyore- | $SHELL ? |
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| 14:19.16 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- not really |
| 14:19.39 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- that gives the default shell of the user |
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| 14:21.48 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: that's right, oh well :-) |
| 14:21.57 | themill | !wayttd Knight_Lord |
| 14:21.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Knight_Lord? |
| 14:22.09 | grand_grunt | garou: xserver-xorg |
| 14:22.17 | Knight_Lord | themill detecting which shell is running a given script |
| 14:22.41 | themill | Knight_Lord: that doesn't answer my question at all |
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| 14:23.13 | XoX | hi |
| 14:23.17 | XoX | anyone know what this kernel image is |
| 14:23.19 | XoX | linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver-686_ |
| 14:23.24 | XoX | vserver on xen? |
| 14:23.29 | Knight_Lord | detecting which shell is running so i can call the correct script for each shell |
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| 14:23.44 | grand_grunt | garou: that was for X server, strange if it's good for shell |
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| 14:24.17 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: most people would just tell what shell to use :-) (#!....) |
| 14:24.19 | asg | XoX: see if 'apt-cache show <pkgname>' tells you |
| 14:24.26 | XoX | asg, nope |
| 14:24.39 | themill | Knight_Lord: I still can't envisage what you are trying to do. Your shell script should specify what interpreter to use with the shebang line. |
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| 14:24.48 | MolePrince | How does setting up an encrypted lvm impact usability? Eg if I wanted to access my home partition from different distros/livecds |
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| 14:25.21 | Knight_Lord | themill the script is supposed to be sourced, so to setup the environment of the user |
| 14:25.22 | kchrist | I'm setting up a repository using reprepro for some custom metapackages I need and am running into a problem trying to install via apt. I'm getting the dread message: "Package cw-base is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source" |
| 14:25.43 | adinc | hello, i'm looking for a debian repository in germany, unfortunately i've one from freenet setup (don't know how this gets into it) |
| 14:25.46 | kchrist | reprepro seems to run fine, without error |
| 14:25.56 | asg | adinc: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 14:26.02 | adinc | asg: thank you |
| 14:26.04 | themill | Knight_Lord: the normal approach is to create both .csh and .sh filenames and the user sources the appropriate one. See for example /etc/profile and /etc/profile.d |
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| 14:26.47 | kchrist | what should I look at as a cause of this message? |
| 14:26.49 | Knight_Lord | themill that's way too cumbersome |
| 14:27.07 | Knight_Lord | themill and doesn't solve the problem |
| 14:27.24 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: well, think about this ... |
| 14:27.28 | themill | Knight_Lord: there is no language-neutral way of testing anything. C and bourne shell syntax are just too different. |
| 14:27.39 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: the loading environment *can't* load anything it doesn't understand ... so what's the point? |
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| 14:28.02 | abrotman | kchrist: that package isn't in debian at all |
| 14:28.05 | Knight_Lord | I already found out a way of testing using "set", I was just wondering if there is a nicer way |
| 14:28.18 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: and ... let's say the script is being run by ksh, why would it return anything besides ksh, which the script would already have to be in ksh to begin with (as opposed to csh, for example) |
| 14:28.43 | Firefishe | I'm running debian etch. When I do a "sudo apt-get install gimp" I get this error: http://rafb.net/p/ONs2N290.html |
| 14:29.18 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: can you find a scenario where what you're trying to do is actually useful? :-) |
| 14:29.23 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- you can use the different behavirous of different shells to distinguish them and call the appropriate sub scripts |
| 14:29.42 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: but why? |
| 14:29.45 | kchrist | abrotman: right, it's a deb I created and am setting up on my own repository f |
| 14:29.50 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- I already told you, to deal with users that don't know what they are doing |
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| 14:30.04 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- like for example don't know what shell they are running |
| 14:30.05 | themill | Knight_Lord: the more you tell us about your problem, the better we can help you. |
| 14:30.09 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: but why? you can write *one* script instead of ten scripts |
| 14:30.21 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- but not everyone uses the same shell |
| 14:30.25 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: so? |
| 14:30.48 | kchrist | the .deb works fine, creating the repository layout with the deb seems to work, and 'apt-get update' with my repository in sources.list also works fine. |
| 14:30.50 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: look at it this way .. do you think it matters that firefox is written in C/C++ and not shell script? |
| 14:30.55 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- so I said the script is used to setup the environment of the user, so it has to be written in the same language as the user |
| 14:31.00 | kchrist | it's only when trying to install that there's a problem |
| 14:31.13 | MolePrince | What are some good guidelines for partitioning in Debian? I have a 10GB disk and guided gives me 3.6 for home which is way more than I need. |
| 14:31.24 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: so you want to *source* something other than to *run* something? |
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| 14:31.36 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- i told them 2 pages above |
| 14:31.42 | Knight_Lord | that |
| 14:31.48 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: must have gotten lost (the "source" part) |
| 14:32.19 | themill | eeyore-: [14:25] <Knight_Lord> themill the script is supposed to be sourced, so to setup the environment of the user |
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| 14:33.17 | eeyore- | humour me .. so what's this front-end script going to be written in? |
| 14:33.22 | kchrist | hmm, 'apt-cache search cw-base' returns no results |
| 14:33.38 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: ok, let's say i'm a user sitting in front of the computer ... what am i supposed to do in your scenario? |
| 14:33.41 | themill | Knight_Lord: relying on environment variables is a dangerous game. What are you trying to actually do with them? How will they be user? |
| 14:33.45 | themill | *used? |
| 14:33.53 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- source GMXRC |
| 14:34.00 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- mdrun |
| 14:34.20 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: ok, and this "GMXRC" is supposed to be written in what shell flavour? |
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| 14:34.29 | themill | Knight_Lord: where mdrun is a shell script? |
| 14:34.36 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- that GMXRC is gonna detect the shell and source the appropriate script |
| 14:34.44 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: therein lies the impossibility |
| 14:34.48 | Knight_Lord | themill mdrun is a c program |
| 14:35.03 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- not at all |
| 14:35.20 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: you're saying "is there a way to write a shell script that will work for bash/korn/c-shell"? |
| 14:35.22 | themill | Knight_Lord: OK, so why not just make mdrun a shell script wrapper that sources the environment variables and go from there? |
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| 14:35.49 | themill | Knight_Lord: Or alternatively, stick the environment settings in /etc/profile.d/ so all users pick them up? |
| 14:35.50 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: so you're saying the csh syntax is OK if sourced by bash? |
| 14:35.57 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- it's possible to write a simple script that will in those shells yes |
| 14:36.02 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- yes i am |
| 14:36.11 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: a very small subset ... |
| 14:36.17 | themill | Knight_Lord: but testing anything is no longer "simple". |
| 14:36.25 | kchrist | 'apt-cache pkgnames | grep cw-base' does find my package, however |
| 14:36.27 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- of course, that's why it's a special test script |
| 14:36.28 | VulpesFoxnik | Is anyone able to get dosemu to run in xorg 7.3+10 without it crashing xorg? I'm trying to find out if it's a nvidia problem or a xorg problem. |
| 14:36.53 | themill | Knight_Lord: [14:35] <themill> Knight_Lord: OK, so why not just make mdrun a shell script wrapper that sources the environment variables and go from there? |
| 14:37.10 | Knight_Lord | themill I could try that yes |
| 14:37.22 | themill | Knight_Lord: there's a reason why that is the usual way of doing things... ;) |
| 14:37.44 | Knight_Lord | themill the problem is that there are dozens of programs |
| 14:37.51 | Knight_Lord | I would have to modify all of them |
| 14:38.08 | VulpesFoxnik | I should also mention I am x86-64. |
| 14:38.29 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: if you can find a way to test $0 in compatible ways :-) |
| 14:39.19 | themill | Knight_Lord: something like this would suffice. http://pastebin.ca/946169 |
| 14:39.40 | themill | Knight_Lord: You could add on to the end a test for what $0 was and then call the real program. |
| 14:40.49 | themill | Knight_Lord: So then you just set up a symlink to that script for all your existing binaries and use case $0 to switch to the correct binary as necessary at the end of that universal wrapper. |
| 14:41.25 | Knight_Lord | thanks for the tip |
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| 14:41.35 | Knight_Lord | But I'll continue to use my shell detector script :) |
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| 14:44.02 | Firefishe | I'm running debian etch. When I do a "sudo apt-get install gimp" I get this error: http://rafb.net/p/ONs2N290.html |
| 14:44.07 | eeyore- | themill: "case" syntax is similar in csh/bash? |
| 14:44.29 | themill | Knight_Lord: Actually, just using /etc/profile.d is going to be the best. You only have to do csh and sh varieties and you will catch everything. |
| 14:44.34 | eeyore- | themill: oh wait ... "test $0 ..." && ? |
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| 14:45.08 | Justin | Firefishe: try apt-get install --reinstall makedev |
| 14:45.16 | themill | eeyore-: I very much doubt it. and $0 can't be tested on login shells because you will get silly things like "-su" too. |
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| 14:45.23 | Firefishe | thanks justin, will try |
| 14:46.25 | Firefishe | Justin: Still gives me the makedev error. |
| 14:46.27 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- the test script uses set is_csh = 123 test "$is_csh" = 123 && goto CSH |
| 14:46.38 | Justin | Firefishe: your /var/lib/dpkg/info/makedev.list file is likely corrupted |
| 14:46.49 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- and only distinguishes csh and bash |
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| 14:47.21 | Justin | Firefishe: moving it to /tmp/ and then doing the reinstall should work |
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| 14:47.59 | Firefishe | Justin: Move the makedev.list file to /tmp/ ? |
| 14:48.09 | Justin | Firefishe: yes, then run the --reinstall command again |
| 14:48.22 | Firefishe | Justin: k..let me give it a try. |
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| 14:48.31 | Firefishe | Justin: thanks again\ |
| 14:48.53 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: isn't "is_csh" going to be "= 123" in csh? (it doesn't treat = specially) |
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| 14:49.31 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- just try it out |
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| 14:49.41 | eeyore- | nah :-) |
| 14:49.55 | eeyore- | hates csh, besides i don't have csh at home ... had enough of it at work |
| 14:50.03 | eeyore- | setenv DISPLAY=.....; whoops |
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| 14:50.04 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- is_csh is 123 |
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| 14:52.02 | eeyore- | bbl |
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| 14:54.56 | Firefishe | Justin: I did "sudo apt-get install --reinstal makedev" after moving the makedev.list file to /tmp. I get this output: http://rafb.net/p/eCs9Ey26.html |
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| 14:55.06 | Firefishe | --reinstall, rather |
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| 14:55.33 | Justin | Firefishe: looks like you have more than one corrupted file |
| 14:55.50 | Firefishe | Justin: Any way to de-corrupt all of them at once? |
| 14:55.56 | Justin | Firefishe: you can add the newline to the end of xserver-xorg-video-vmware.list, or move that one to /tmp/ and reinstall it as well |
| 14:56.10 | Justin | Firefishe: either way you should probably reinstall that one too |
| 14:56.14 | themill | Knight_Lord: if you're just going to source two different files depending on csh or sh, then just use the existing /etc/profile.d mechanism. No need to reinvent that wheel :) |
| 14:56.24 | kchrist | no one has any thoughts on my reprepro problem? |
| 14:57.06 | Justin | kchrist: how many packages does your repo have? |
| 14:57.11 | kchrist | is there a more appropriate place to ask/ |
| 14:57.12 | kchrist | ? |
| 14:57.21 | kchrist | just one at the moment, until I get it working |
| 14:57.32 | Justin | kchrist: maybe you should just be using dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz |
| 14:57.40 | Firefishe | Justin: what do I do to add the newline? I've only opened a .list file before, but that was to delete a blank line. |
| 14:57.54 | Justin | Firefishe: just move it to /tmp/ also |
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| 14:58.28 | Firefishe | k Justin, then reinstall it? |
| 14:58.32 | Justin | Firefishe: yeah |
| 14:58.34 | Firefishe | k |
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| 15:00.00 | revil | hi there!! I downloaded the rc2 dvd via jigdo. Can I skip downloading the whole rc3 via jigdo by using pieces of the rc2? |
| 15:00.21 | Justin | revil: yeah, it should be mostly the same |
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| 15:00.46 | revil | Justin, so I just start jigdo-lite on the new jigdo, on the same folder? |
| 15:00.48 | kchrist | justin: I'll look into that as an alternative when I get a chance to read up on the dpkg-scanpackage docs |
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| 15:01.10 | Justin | kchrist: all you have to do is run that command, and you're done |
| 15:01.12 | kchrist | but my preference is to take this opportunity to learn how to do it the "official" way |
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| 15:01.22 | kchrist | not that it really matters, ultimately |
| 15:01.49 | Justin | revil: hmm, I think so.. worth a try.. if that doesn't work you may have to give it an option to tell it where to find the files |
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| 15:02.30 | mitch2 | aptitude gives me bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30975, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') when it accesses the data base. How do I run data base recovery? |
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| 15:03.56 | weiles | moshii: thanks the raid worked (duns_s) |
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| 15:04.00 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 15:04.12 | weiles | dpkg-reconfigure fixed the problems |
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| 15:04.43 | dazjorz | What's the difference between debootstrap, debootstrap-udev and cdebootstrap ? |
| 15:05.12 | Firefishe | Justin: I have a lot of errors in my .list files. |
| 15:06.23 | kchrist | justin: actually, that didn't seem to work. I uploaded my .deb and the Packages.gz file that dpkg-scanpackages created but I'm getting "Package cw-base has no installation candidate" when I try to install (after running 'apt-get update' of course) |
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| 15:06.51 | Justin | Firefishe: i've noticed :) |
| 15:07.13 | Firefishe | Justin: Ummm...ya! ;-) |
| 15:07.14 | kchrist | it may very well be a problem with my .deb, but installing via dpkg -i works fine |
| 15:07.30 | |lazy| | Starting kde-window-decorator |
| 15:07.30 | |lazy| | /usr/bin/kde-window-decorator: error while loading shared libraries: libkdecorations.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:07.30 | |lazy| | kde-window-decorator: error while loading shared libraries: libkdecorations.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:07.30 | Justin | kchrist: hmm, what does apt-cache show cw-base and apt-cache showpkg cw-base say? |
| 15:07.37 | MolePrince | Does the Debian isntaller no longer support ext2 filesystems? I've heard for years that it's better to use that than ext3 on /boot |
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| 15:07.53 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:07.59 | Justin | MolePrince: a /boot partition hasn't been needed for years |
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| 15:08.25 | MolePrince | Justin: Really? What changed? |
| 15:08.28 | Justin | kind of funny, since when you actually needed one, in like 1999, no one made one, and their systems wouldn't boot |
| 15:08.35 | kchrist | not much, actually: http://pastebin.com/d59a073b2 |
| 15:08.36 | maligor | MolePrince, lba32 changed |
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| 15:08.43 | DexterF | can I have deb-src lines for both lenny *and* sid and somehow choose what entry to use for apt-get -b source ? |
| 15:08.46 | |lazy| | how can i get the libkdecorations.so.1 ? |
| 15:08.48 | UserReg_CL | hi... how show mtu for ppp0 interface ? |
| 15:08.52 | |lazy| | iam user kde4 |
| 15:08.56 | Justin | MolePrince: lilo was updates to support booting from cylinders > 1024.. about 10 years ago :) |
| 15:08.58 | \amethyst | MolePrince: LILO became able to read more than the first little bit of the partition |
| 15:09.07 | \amethyst | s/partition/disk/ |
| 15:09.08 | MolePrince | I've always felt more comfortable having it seperate so if the kernel hoses it doesn't take down anything with it.. |
| 15:09.12 | MolePrince | Ooh, neat! |
| 15:09.24 | maligor | MolePrince, err.. if the kernel hoses, it will take everything with it |
| 15:09.24 | mitch2 | Anyone? Google returns only one result by someone asking the same without an answer. |
| 15:09.34 | MolePrince | maligor: Data-wise, that is. |
| 15:09.35 | |lazy| | plz,help me |
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| 15:09.40 | Justin | |lazy|: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:09.42 | maligor | MolePrince, yes, data-wise |
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| 15:09.55 | MolePrince | maligor: Like keeping /var seperate in case a log floods it won't fill your root up :p |
| 15:09.57 | |lazy| | search waht? |
| 15:09.59 | maligor | MolePrince, unless this hositude happens on boot before mounting the other disks |
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| 15:10.42 | |lazy| | where is the debian-zh? |
| 15:11.06 | Justin | |lazy|: search for the library you are missing |
| 15:11.22 | Firefishe | Justin: I find it rather interesting that the xserver-xorg-video-vmware.list file only has the following in it: #!/b |
| 15:11.24 | vlt | Hello. How can I create more loop devices? |
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| 15:11.34 | Justin | Firefishe: yeah, that isn't good |
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| 15:11.42 | \amethyst | MolePrince: anyway, there are two differences between ext2 and ext3: ext3 can have a journal, and ext3 can use dir_index to make large directories faster |
| 15:11.42 | vlt | There are only 7 defined in Etch. |
| 15:11.49 | kchrist | dpkg-scanpackages returns "** Packages in archive but missing from override file: **" |
| 15:11.54 | Firefishe | Justin: also, I'm not even using vmware |
| 15:11.57 | \amethyst | MolePrince: if neither of those features is enabled, the filesystem *is* ext2 |
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| 15:12.37 | Firefishe | Justin: Any way to fix this? |
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| 15:12.47 | Firefishe | I want my gim! ;) |
| 15:12.49 | UserReg_CL | helpme... where look mtu value ? |
| 15:12.50 | Firefishe | gimp even |
| 15:12.52 | Justin | Firefishe: other than reinstalling the packages, I dunno |
| 15:13.01 | Justin | Firefishe: once that is fixed, i'd install and run debsums as well |
| 15:13.07 | abrotman | UserReg_CL: ifconfig |
| 15:13.09 | Justin | you might have curruption elsewhere |
| 15:13.19 | UserReg_CL | ok.. thank |
| 15:13.47 | Firefishe | Justin: If it gets too deep, I'll have to reinstall..I went through this once....fun, but not fun, y'know? ;) |
| 15:13.47 | MolePrince | \amethyst: Ah, cool. So is there really any point in keeping /boot seperate anymore at all? |
| 15:14.07 | Justin | Firefishe: as long as your system works, you probably won't have to reinstall |
| 15:14.18 | Justin | Firefishe: you can always just reinstall packages ontop if your running system |
| 15:14.21 | fengor | MolePrince: you have to keep boot seperate if you want to encrypt your other partitions |
| 15:14.40 | \amethyst | MolePrince: Maybe if your root filesystem is something that grub doesn't know how to read (like an encrypted FS, as fengor says) |
| 15:14.42 | |lazy| | ?? |
| 15:14.57 | MolePrince | fengor: Oh, right! Thanks. |
| 15:15.50 | Justin | some people store the kernel on an external USB drive in that case |
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| 15:16.17 | Justin | so without the drive the system won't even attempt to boot, let alone prompt for the decryption key |
| 15:16.36 | MolePrince | Justin: My BIOS is old enough that it can't boot from USB, but otherwise I might do that. |
| 15:16.42 | \amethyst | If you have /boot, it does need to be bigger than it once does, since kernels have been getting bigger, and there are now generally initrds |
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| 15:16.55 | Firefishe | brb... |
| 15:17.10 | MolePrince | \amethyst: I was thinking 128 should be enough in my experience. |
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| 15:18.16 | \amethyst | MolePrince: I have four kernels plus the xen hypervisor in /boot, and it's about 50MB, so that seems reasonable, unless you want more kernels |
| 15:18.38 | Justin | \amethyst: most of the size of the new kernels is taken up by modules |
| 15:19.00 | \amethyst | Justin: I know---the biggest files are the initrds |
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| 15:19.56 | Justin | odd that yours are so big, I hae one system with 3 kernels+xen and it is only taking up 28M |
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| 15:20.28 | MolePrince | What is Xen? |
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| 15:20.36 | \amethyst | Justin: oh, there are a couple of backup initrds |
| 15:20.44 | Justin | that'll do it :) |
| 15:21.11 | \amethyst | but that's something you have to worry about if you make /boot separate |
| 15:21.20 | \amethyst | you need to have enough room to work, too |
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| 15:22.23 | \amethyst | !xen |
| 15:22.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:22.26 | \amethyst | MolePrince: there you go |
| 15:23.19 | \amethyst | 'up to 100'? does xen really have a 100-OS limit? |
| 15:23.42 | Justin | most I have on one system is 10 :) |
| 15:24.06 | MolePrince | Justin: What do you actually use them for? |
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| 15:24.09 | themill | "noone will ever need more than 100 virtual machines" |
| 15:24.28 | asg | themill: I have 43 |
| 15:24.35 | \amethyst | MolePrince: some people use it for hosting |
| 15:24.41 | Justin | MolePrince: having a 1-to-1 mapping between os images and applications |
| 15:24.55 | emss | asg: is that every linux distro out there? |
| 15:25.10 | asg | emss: no, 43 debian instances |
| 15:25.12 | \amethyst | MolePrince: that way you can give someone a "dedicated machine" with full control over the OS, without needing a separate physical computer |
| 15:25.15 | MolePrince | Oh, neat. So you could have each vm as a different hosted web deomain? |
| 15:25.27 | MolePrince | Gotcha, that's pretty cool. |
| 15:26.12 | \amethyst | MolePrince: apache's been able to do this for years, but this lets you do that with *every* service. You can give your users root and feel safe about the other users on the machine |
| 15:26.19 | fengor | MolePrince: each vm asa different computer which coincidentally offers a web domain |
| 15:26.30 | MolePrince | That's hot |
| 15:26.33 | fengor | or better phrased: as \amethyst said |
| 15:26.36 | \amethyst | Except when there are xen bugs---those are as pernicious as kernel bugs |
| 15:27.03 | \amethyst | s/are/can be/ |
| 15:27.08 | asg | MolePrince: the other nice thing is that you can migrate virtuals to different physical hardware to reduce downtime and increase management and resource balancing. |
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| 15:27.32 | \amethyst | and you can pause your VM to back it up |
| 15:27.33 | fengor | makes a note: take a closer look at xen soon |
| 15:27.41 | Justin | and you can run debian on solaris with zfs :) |
| 15:27.42 | MolePrince | asg: Oh! Awesome |
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| 15:29.09 | eps | xen is far to much effort for the every day user, qemu provides a quick and simple vm :P |
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| 15:29.12 | fengor | \amethyst: is there a good primer/tutorial for xen? or should i just try my luck with the xen documentation? |
| 15:29.42 | Justin | fengor: install xen-linux-system-.... and xen-tools |
| 15:29.50 | asg | fengor: debian has done a good job of packaging it; it's painless to install and use |
| 15:30.00 | mquin | the xen documentation is pretty good, and as Justin say the packed version is pretty painless |
| 15:30.11 | mquin | eps: fcvo quick ;) |
| 15:30.28 | Justin | then you just need to configure xen-tools a bit, and run xen-create-image --hostname myvm |
| 15:30.30 | fengor | ok |
| 15:30.50 | Justin | xen-create-image takes < 60 seconds to make a VM from scratch on my new server :) |
| 15:31.13 | asg | Justin: less provisioning, more ircing |
| 15:31.21 | Justin | asg: /whois me :) |
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| 15:31.40 | asg | grins |
| 15:31.44 | \amethyst | MolePrince: you do need grub and not lilo |
| 15:32.20 | MolePrince | \amethyst: Thanks. |
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| 15:34.34 | delcoyote | hi |
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| 15:36.19 | danand | hi all - i have an error that has turned up in my /var/log/kern.log file concerning one of my drives. See http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59927/. I have run smartctl -a /dev/hdb and no errors turned up. However forcing an fsck of the drive reported errors about duplicate inodes (?) and said to run fsck manually to fix these errors. I did this - a fair few errors showed up and fsck seems to have fixed them. Has anyone seen this error before? any help appreciated |
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| 15:38.59 | danand | In short, does anyone know if my hard drive is gonna die? :O |
| 15:39.31 | CharminTheMoose | is it normal if you install kde-core and gnome-core that apt-get removes xinit? |
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| 15:39.38 | CharminTheMoose | and the startx program |
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| 15:40.53 | n0mad | hello, em help me alitle i have heavy download on 5000 port - but im not downloading anything at all ! |
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| 15:41.32 | n0mad | it comes from 239.255.1.3:5000 :/ what is on that port ? |
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| 15:41.45 | mmlj4 | n0mad: netstat -an | grep 5000 |
| 15:41.50 | efaistos | any idea why a procmail is not doing its job anymore ? I have all my mail in /var/mail/efaistos but nothing is filtered anymore and I didnt do anything |
| 15:41.56 | mmlj4 | where's it from? or going to? |
| 15:41.57 | asg | n0mad: older versions of OpenVPN used port 5000 |
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| 15:43.00 | n0mad | â UDP (1344 bytes) from 10.0.100.1:49152 to 239.255.1.3:5000 on eth2 |
| 15:43.15 | n0mad | o.O and many going so same |
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| 15:44.44 | asg | n0mad: 239.255.1.3 is a reserved multi-cast address. Are you viewing any streaming video? |
| 15:44.52 | n0mad | netstat -an | grep 5000 - shows nothing |
| 15:45.05 | n0mad | mm nope im not |
| 15:45.43 | mmlj4 | wait |
| 15:45.49 | mmlj4 | that host is unreachable |
| 15:45.53 | mmlj4 | is that a class E? |
| 15:45.53 | n0mad | not vievieng or mmm hmn mpd is runing as server on same pc for all users on same pc |
| 15:46.07 | eps | of course it is unreachable |
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| 15:47.00 | n0mad | but i doubt is mpd cause those downloads is not all the time ..but its only one thing that works now |
| 15:48.33 | asg | n0mad: you might want to check with 'lsof' to see what is using that port (apt-get install lsof (if you don't already have it)) |
| 15:49.59 | n0mad | i have that |
| 15:50.06 | n0mad | already |
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| 15:51.25 | n0mad | now taht trafic stoped (as always it runs mm or 5 -10 minutes) so il need to wait again that weirdness :/ |
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| 16:06.19 | aspire | hello |
| 16:06.37 | aspire | can any one help me, my nic is not able to connect to my modem |
| 16:06.55 | abrotman | nic .. modem ? |
| 16:06.56 | aspire | and DHCP does not assign an IP |
| 16:07.03 | abrotman | your broadband modem ? |
| 16:07.08 | aspire | network interface card |
| 16:07.13 | abrotman | thanks .. got that part |
| 16:07.38 | asg | gives abrotman random parts from the goody bag |
| 16:08.01 | aspire | yes broadband modem |
| 16:08.38 | Supaplex | cuts a hole in the bottom of the goody bag to capture parts for himself |
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| 16:08.41 | aspire | have been about this for three days now, not able to setup this connection, and do not understand why |
| 16:08.59 | aspire | this is my log: |
| 16:09.00 | aspire | Mar 17 16:05:41 Mbook kernel: [ 3082.996000] sky2 eth0: disabling interface |
| 16:09.03 | Supaplex | aspire: what nic do you have? |
| 16:09.06 | maligor | sky2 eh |
| 16:09.08 | aspire | Mar 17 16:05:41 Mbook kernel: [ 3083.072000] sky2 eth0: enabling interface |
| 16:09.14 | aspire | Mar 17 16:05:41 Mbook kernel: [ 3083.076000] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 16:09.23 | Supaplex | that looks like an ubuntu kernel |
| 16:09.33 | aspire | not sure which one it is |
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| 16:10.04 | Supaplex | aspire: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 16:10.06 | aspire | it was working fine a couple of days ago |
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| 16:10.30 | aspire | ii libc6 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:10.38 | Supaplex | aspire: /topic |
| 16:10.39 | themill | !tell aspire about ubuntu |
| 16:10.39 | Borbus | If I put an rsync server on debian, can I make it so users can only use ssh to log on? |
| 16:11.09 | Joelito | I need help with brasero in debian etch, seems that it can't recognize previous multisessions, how can I fix this? |
| 16:11.20 | aspire | Supaplex, is it a problem if I use Ubuntu? |
| 16:11.33 | maligor | yes, this isn't #ubuntu :P |
| 16:11.38 | Supaplex | !tell aspire -about based on debian |
| 16:11.45 | Supaplex | sorry, we only support debian here |
| 16:11.53 | Hydroxide | aspire: nothing's wrong with using Ubuntu, but if you're asking questions about your Ubuntu system, go to #ubuntu |
| 16:12.00 | aspire | I understand, but the problem at ubuntu no one knows, and I have tried to ask for help there, |
| 16:12.10 | Supaplex | that problem is not our problem |
| 16:12.25 | Hydroxide | aspire: then try their forums or Google or other sources. this is not an appropriate forum for Ubuntu support even if #ubuntu doesn't know. |
| 16:12.32 | Supaplex | we're not interested in supporting wannabe debian distros that don't do it our way |
| 16:12.52 | aspire | Supaplex, is it possible that this is not really a ubuntu problem but rather a networking problem? |
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| 16:13.21 | maligor | aspire, probably a sky2 driver bug that, google will probably be of more help than irc |
| 16:13.46 | aspire | Hydroxide, this sounds like a simple way to get rid off me rather than helping me out |
| 16:13.46 | Supaplex | aspire: try ##linux as another alternative. |
| 16:13.53 | Supaplex | !step 0 |
| 16:13.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, step 0 is Install debian for support here, or kindly GTFO. thank you. </public-svc-announce> |
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| 16:14.02 | Supaplex | aspire: last warning |
| 16:14.04 | Joelito | no one? :( |
| 16:14.22 | Hydroxide | aspire: we're not asking you to leave the channel if you want to stay here, but we are asking you to stop trying to seek assistance with an Ubuntu system in #debian. |
| 16:14.46 | aspire | yes, I get the point |
| 16:15.33 | mquin | aspire: that does look like a nic driver problem, rather than a distibution sepcific issue, so ##linux may be a beter forum for your question |
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| 16:16.26 | aspire | OK, thanks mquin |
| 16:16.48 | Hydroxide | aspire: good luck, even if this is not the right place |
| 16:16.52 | mypapit | going to shutdown, bye bye people!! |
| 16:18.47 | Supaplex | aspire: fwiw, I have this issue on debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455195 |
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| 16:19.20 | Supaplex | so it can happen. not sure how to resolve it. (seeing as how I still have a bug of my own open) |
| 16:19.39 | Supaplex | well, save for using some other nic :) |
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| 16:23.42 | Acxty | does debian etch have a kernel bug. I am getting a kernel panic very often |
| 16:24.30 | drwahl | lol, i hope not. i thought that was what sid/lenny was for. What kernel are you running? |
| 16:24.33 | drwahl | uname -a |
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| 16:25.36 | Acxty | Linux x3rus 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Fri Jun 1 00:47:00 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:25.38 | moshii | Acxty: panic is probably broken hardware and,or a broken driver |
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| 16:28.25 | jetscreamer | pasting sources might shed light, might not |
| 16:28.27 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 16:28.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 16:37.20 | Firefishe | Justin: You still here? |
| 16:38.04 | Justin | Firefishe: hi |
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| 16:38.27 | Firefishe | My drive has been fsck'd, inodes re-aligned, lost+found filled to the brim, and now I can't log in to kde. When I do an "ls" I segfault. |
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| 16:38.48 | Justin | Firefishe: ouch |
| 16:39.12 | Firefishe | Justin: Hi. I'm on widows now LOL. Just to get back on. I think my ext3 got overextended into the *4th* dimension ;) |
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| 16:39.34 | Justin | Firefishe: sounds like it |
| 16:40.02 | Frosty- | Firefishe, fire up a copy from your weekly backup |
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| 16:40.08 | Firefishe | Justin: Specifically, after I logged off, the system went into an automatic fsck--which doesn't hurt, anyway--then went into manual fsck mode, locked down to a root login prompt, and I went from there. |
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| 16:40.32 | Firefishe | Frosty-: Was that meant as sarcasm? ;) hee |
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| 16:40.57 | Firefishe | will admit to not being the most conscientious 'nix user out there |
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| 16:41.04 | Firefishe | this is on a laptop |
| 16:41.28 | Frosty- | Anyone know of a linux prog that can do a file level online backup that can be restored via bootable cd-rom and bare metal? |
| 16:41.44 | Frosty- | backup/restore from nfs |
| 16:41.53 | Firefishe | Frosty-: However, what do I do to do that type of thing? It might save me a lot of headaches in the future. |
| 16:42.06 | Frosty- | Firefishe, wait for answer of my question :) |
| 16:42.13 | Firefishe | Frosty-: k |
| 16:42.15 | Firefishe | :) |
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| 16:43.20 | Frosty- | I use Acronis TrueImage Home 11 for windows, works like a charm, backing up each PC every day, 1 full bakcup a week and 6 incrementals. Have restored several times flawlessly. The bootable CD is actually linux. |
| 16:43.32 | Frosty- | but no linux program :( |
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| 16:43.39 | Justin | uses backuppc |
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| 16:44.15 | Firefishe | what I need is a Sager NC9xxx series lappie with 3 drives and RAID! |
| 16:44.46 | dutchfish | uses rdiff-backup |
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| 16:48.40 | cTATU1 | Does anyone have an Etch Mixxx v1.6.0beta2 binary? |
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| 16:49.12 | Firefishe | pelts peer with a 36,000 pound exhaustive python manual |
| 16:49.17 | dlynes | Is there a way to configure a new network device from the command line? (I had to download the kernel source, and patch it for a new Intel network card) |
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| 16:49.37 | asg | dlynes: man ifconfig ; man interfaces |
| 16:51.14 | mbroeker | dlynes, you need the proper driver for one of your networking cards. without a driver, no networking... |
| 16:51.19 | dlynes | asg: sorry...I should have specified....how do I configure it the debian way? i.e. so that it updates /etc/network/interfaces, ... |
| 16:51.54 | jetscreamer | eth is eth |
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| 16:51.56 | dlynes | mbroeker: that's a no-brainer...like I said, I patched the e1000 drivers in the kernel source, and recompiled the kernel |
| 16:52.00 | jetscreamer | what eth is you |
| 16:52.43 | mbroeker | dlynes, :) |
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| 16:52.58 | Firefishe | Justin: Using a read-only ext2/3 file system viewer, I can see (from my windows side) that the file structure is, at least, relatively intact from what I can see. Is there a down and dirty way to fix a non-booting kde system? |
| 16:53.22 | dlynes | So, I guess nobody knows how to configure a new network card, the debian way, from the command line? Only from the gui? |
| 16:53.41 | ronr | hi, I got a debian stable system that just received a lot of mail (due to me screwing up), it runs postfix, can I somehow delete all message from a particular sender from the queue? |
| 16:53.42 | Justin | Firefishe: debsums like I said before |
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| 16:53.57 | Firefishe | Justin: Never used it. What do I do with it? |
| 16:54.05 | moshii | derchris: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:54.05 | Justin | Firefishe: run it, it will tell you what packages are corrupted |
| 16:54.14 | moshii | derchris: that was for dlynes |
| 16:54.18 | Firefishe | Justin: k...gotta reboot |
| 16:54.20 | Firefishe | bbl |
| 16:54.28 | \amethyst | dlynes: you mean like echo -e 'allow-hotplug eth3\niface eth3 inet dhcp' >> /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 16:54.30 | moshii | dlynes: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:54.44 | asg | dlynes: man interfaces ; man ifupdown |
| 16:55.33 | dlynes | \amethyst: ah...that's probably what I was looking for |
| 16:55.33 | asg | hmmmm, forget that last (should be man ifup ; man ifdown) |
| 16:55.39 | dlynes | \amethyst: thanks |
| 16:56.30 | dlynes | asg: thanks for the tip about the man page on interfaces, too |
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| 16:57.04 | dlynes | asg: it's probably exactly what I was looking for |
| 16:57.27 | \amethyst | dlynes: also, note that debian's udev auto-assigns ethX numbers based on the MAC address |
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| 16:57.55 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 16:57.55 | dpkg | i guess z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 16:58.49 | dlynes | \amethyst: Yeah, I knew about that...that's a new feature of the new udev...not specifically debian |
| 16:59.06 | dlynes | \amethyst: i've been using that new udev on slackware for about a year now |
| 16:59.09 | jetscreamer | die udev die |
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| 16:59.12 | jetscreamer | !kill udev |
| 16:59.12 | dpkg | crushes udev with a free AOL CD |
| 16:59.36 | dlynes | jetscreamer: udev's great...I love being able to force aliases on network cards |
| 16:59.38 | jetscreamer | as you can see, i just love udev |
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| 17:00.00 | dlynes | jetscreamer: great for getting around stupid programming from debian that hard codes codec checks to a specific network card name |
| 17:00.03 | jetscreamer | i love being unable to boot my box for 3 weeks because udev sucks |
| 17:00.07 | dlynes | erm from digium, not debian |
| 17:00.11 | jetscreamer | 'loved' |
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| 17:00.31 | maligor | jetscreamer, make something better |
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| 17:00.55 | n0mad | hi again started that weirdnes on 5000 port but lsof didnt showing anything |
| 17:01.05 | roam | can anybody recomment a tool for reading imap mailboxes offline? I found the following packages: imapcopy imapsync isync offlineimap. Which one is best? |
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| 17:01.37 | jetscreamer | maligor: i did. apt-get install yaird gamin && apt-get remove --purge udev |
| 17:01.54 | jetscreamer | works just fine |
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| 17:02.12 | jetscreamer | nowadays, i know the 'workaround' for using multiple ide controllers with udev |
| 17:02.24 | jetscreamer | but that's not for lack of asking in #debian |
| 17:02.27 | n0mad | â UDP (1344 bytes) from 10.0.100.1:49152 to 239.255.1.3:5000 on eth2 many many 0.270 mb incoming speed :/ |
| 17:02.42 | jetscreamer | which didn't do any good because nobody had my particular bug |
| 17:02.52 | petemc | roam: i use imapsync a fair bit, it works very well |
| 17:03.26 | cloakable | jetscreamer: I noticed that udev doesn't play well with my PCI IDE card. |
| 17:03.33 | jetscreamer | the other fix was take one controller and 4 hd's out of the box |
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| 17:03.57 | pumpkin0 | n0mad: netstat -p ? |
| 17:04.00 | jetscreamer | cloakable: uuid in fstab and menu.lst should fix anything related (imo) |
| 17:04.17 | cloakable | jetscreamer: Ahh, thanks :) |
| 17:04.35 | jetscreamer | 'using' uuid in it i mean |
| 17:04.55 | roam | petemc: tnx, will give it a try. |
| 17:05.06 | cloakable | jetscreamer: Does PCI SATA controllers confuse udev too? |
| 17:05.17 | jetscreamer | example at http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab |
| 17:05.36 | jetscreamer | cloakable: not sure don't have one i had 2 pata's... probably though |
| 17:05.53 | cloakable | Damn ;/ |
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| 17:06.01 | jetscreamer | works fine with uuid though |
| 17:06.11 | jetscreamer | mostly you need it to boot the box |
| 17:06.16 | cloakable | Well, as / is going to be on IDE, not a huge problem |
| 17:06.26 | jetscreamer | once it's up and knows where / is the others 'just work' |
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| 17:07.11 | msm | I have copied apt, fetch and tar file into /tmp on debian. when I try apt-zip-inst -m /tmp -p gnome it unpacks the tar but then asks for cdrom. |
| 17:07.15 | jetscreamer | when you are installing, choosing a -486 kernel bypasses the problem (32 bit no idea about 64 bit) -486 does not depend on udev |
| 17:07.16 | Supaplex | can I use retain /etc/passwd+shadow+group+kin for uid<=999 and use ldap for uid>=1000? |
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| 17:07.52 | n0mad | hmn pumpkin0 i cannot see anything with that port - loks clear, im using iptraf to detect that |
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| 17:08.00 | msm | I also passed -s |
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| 17:08.02 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 17:08.03 | jetscreamer | msm: you might need to remove the cdrom line in your sources.list (if you are apt-getting or aptituding something) |
| 17:08.16 | dazjorz | I just tried to build a CD booted by Grub |
| 17:08.19 | dazjorz | and Grub indeed boots the kernel |
| 17:08.29 | dazjorz | but then it all stops at: Begin: Waiting for root file system ... |
| 17:08.31 | msm | jetscreamer: I am wanting to get apt-zip-inst to pick things up from /tmp |
| 17:08.38 | dazjorz | Is there anything I can do to fix that ? |
| 17:08.42 | jetscreamer | msm: probably that then |
| 17:08.44 | pumpkin0 | n0mad: netstat show no open UDP-port ? You are in deep trouble ... |
| 17:08.45 | jetscreamer | not sure though |
| 17:08.55 | jetscreamer | dazjorz: sounds like initrd heaven to me |
| 17:08.58 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 17:08.58 | dpkg | initrd is, like, initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 17:09.04 | jetscreamer | or the udev niceness |
| 17:09.22 | dazjorz | ah |
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| 17:09.29 | dazjorz | it's totally included in my bootloader |
| 17:09.34 | dazjorz | grub reports it's loaded succesfully |
| 17:09.45 | dazjorz | title Linux (Rescue) |
| 17:09.51 | dazjorz | root (cd0) |
| 17:09.59 | dazjorz | initrd (cd0)/boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6 |
| 17:10.00 | n0mad | pumpkin0, zero udp's |
| 17:10.04 | jetscreamer | ah btw |
| 17:10.06 | dazjorz | kernel (cd0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6 |
| 17:10.07 | dazjorz | boot |
| 17:10.13 | dazjorz | oh, and initrd after kernel, IIRC |
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| 17:10.31 | jetscreamer | grub1 can't do cd's i heard tell, you need grub2. not ositive, but that's what i heard |
| 17:10.37 | msm | I have copied files from usb to /tmp to now have apt-zip-inst pick things from it but am unable to get it through. |
| 17:10.41 | jetscreamer | positive |
| 17:10.47 | dazjorz | ah |
| 17:10.49 | msm | looks like it will need me to use USB only |
| 17:10.50 | dazjorz | I have Grub 0.97 |
| 17:10.52 | pumpkin0 | n0mad: try to listen to the port in UDP-Mode using netcat. |
| 17:10.55 | dazjorz | :/ |
| 17:10.58 | jetscreamer | i think that's grub1 |
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| 17:11.06 | jetscreamer | but like i said i'm not positive |
| 17:11.11 | dazjorz | jetscreamer: note that I tried this with isolinux, too, and got the same errors |
| 17:11.12 | dazjorz | :/ |
| 17:11.12 | enouf | jetscreamer: grub1 can use cd as a device descriptor |
| 17:11.19 | Justin | dazjorz: you didn't have root=... in the grub config file? |
| 17:11.21 | enouf | jetscreamer: it can't boot ISO CD images from HDD |
| 17:11.26 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 17:11.30 | dazjorz | Justin: I have root (cd), isn't that enough ? |
| 17:11.37 | dazjorz | I can include root=/dev/hdc |
| 17:11.49 | dazjorz | but I'm not sure if the CD-rom drive is always at /dev/hdc :/ |
| 17:12.02 | jetscreamer | dazjorz: you might want to do UUID in fstab and menu.lst also |
| 17:12.13 | dazjorz | I can do UUID in menu.lst ? |
| 17:12.23 | jetscreamer | example at http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab |
| 17:12.25 | dazjorz | jetscreamer: does fstab already count here? :/ |
| 17:12.26 | dazjorz | okay |
| 17:12.30 | jetscreamer | example at http://linux.hfds.com/files/menu.lst |
| 17:12.32 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 17:12.39 | dazjorz | I'd say fstab can't even be read yet |
| 17:12.42 | jetscreamer | dazjorz: maybe |
| 17:12.42 | enouf | jetscreamer: i never used it, and all the info i ever really stumbled on about it is "You can use the device `(cd)' to access a CD-ROM in your config file. This is not required; GRUB automatically sets the root device to `(cd)' when booted from a CD-ROM. It is only necessary to refer to `(cd)' if you want to access other drives as well." here ; http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html |
| 17:13.06 | dazjorz | enouf: I read exactly that part |
| 17:13.10 | jetscreamer | i've never done a livecd (well i burned one but that doesn't count) |
| 17:13.19 | dazjorz | well... err |
| 17:13.35 | dazjorz | here we are, initrd is loaded correctly but it waits for my root filesystem until it drops to a shell |
| 17:13.35 | enouf | dazjorz: i think gentoo has a livecd and/or slax that incorporates grub, grml.org as well |
| 17:13.36 | jetscreamer | use it though it should work and usually fixes the problems you are describing |
| 17:13.38 | dazjorz | what do I do when it drops ? |
| 17:14.01 | Justin | dazjorz: mount the root filesystem |
| 17:14.02 | dazjorz | enouf: hmm, yeah, I remember booting gentoo's livecd, it worked quite OK, so maybe I'll check that out and see how they do it |
| 17:14.07 | dazjorz | Justin: to / ? |
| 17:14.09 | enouf | dazjorz: does your initrd have your HDD Controller and real-root-fs support? |
| 17:14.12 | Justin | dazjorz: no, somewhere else |
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| 17:14.18 | dazjorz | enouf: I don't know |
| 17:14.25 | enouf | well, you need it |
| 17:14.33 | Justin | dazjorz: I forget where it expects you to mount it |
| 17:14.42 | dazjorz | enouf: this is initrd directly from Debian's Etch repositories |
| 17:14.45 | Justin | dazjorz: can you mount it anywhere? has the cdrom been found? |
| 17:14.50 | jetscreamer | /knoppix :) |
| 17:14.56 | dazjorz | enouf: Note, also, that it notices the CD-ROM at /dev/hdc, so I'd say it would work correctly |
| 17:15.04 | dazjorz | Justin: It finds it at /dev/hdc, but I can't mount it ("Invalid argument") |
| 17:15.07 | dazjorz | and dmesg doesn't tell me why |
| 17:15.17 | jetscreamer | uuid |
| 17:15.35 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 17:15.40 | enouf | dazjorz: well, sometimes support for certain ones aren't built in though many are - might need a boot param on your root= line , like say generic.all_generic_ide=1 |
| 17:15.44 | jetscreamer | i should go clean house |
| 17:15.45 | dazjorz | It says write-protected, mounting readonly, then it says "tried to mount /dev/hdc at /tmp" |
| 17:15.51 | enouf | and stop typing so friggin fast darnit! |
| 17:16.05 | dazjorz | enouf: I'm testing this in VMWare, which isn't doing anything exotic, as far as I know |
| 17:16.11 | dazjorz | enouf: heh, sorry ;) |
| 17:16.34 | enouf | well, i told you all i know . so go play ;-P |
| 17:16.45 | dazjorz | okay, let's try ;) |
| 17:17.28 | dazjorz | I can't mount /dev/sda, either |
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| 17:18.04 | dazjorz | doesn't know why |
| 17:18.27 | jetscreamer | try hda |
| 17:18.35 | dazjorz | there's no hda |
| 17:18.38 | dazjorz | only sda and hdc |
| 17:19.02 | jetscreamer | you sure, or is there not usually |
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| 17:20.04 | jetscreamer | oh, vmware eh. |
| 17:20.07 | jetscreamer | i know nothing. |
| 17:20.10 | jkl | This is not probably the place to ask this, but have some configure apache with chroot? |
| 17:20.23 | enouf | dazjorz: i see you said initrd loads fine, that;s good, but yes, then a root=UUID=xxxxxx-long-number and/or root=LABEL=label-name-here would work/substitute for /dev/hdc1 say |
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| 17:20.54 | enouf | dazjorz: the main reason boot fails when you say it does is for reasons i mentioned already above |
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| 17:21.36 | enouf | dazjorz: and you need a sdaX (partition number - or UUID - or LABEL) |
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| 17:21.57 | jetscreamer | unless it's hdax of course |
| 17:22.06 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 17:22.19 | dazjorz | hdc :) |
| 17:22.24 | enouf | you get the point :-P just not a disk device name |
| 17:22.27 | dazjorz | It's at /dev/hdc once initrd is started |
| 17:22.31 | dazjorz | And, no, enouf |
| 17:22.37 | enouf | dazjorz: not /hdc |
| 17:22.37 | dazjorz | since CD's have no partitions, it's just /dev/hdc |
| 17:22.40 | dazjorz | not /dev/hdc\d |
| 17:22.42 | enouf | dazjorz: /hdc1 |
| 17:22.43 | cjsstables | I'm going to create a two raid 1 devices to house ldap_data and ldaphome. What will be a sufficient size for the ldap_data? I'm assuming I'll leave all of the rest to ldaphome.... |
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| 17:22.53 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 17:22.59 | dob1 | hi, i have to buy a new motherboard, i am searching on google for linux compatibility, a lot of the new motherboard are based on nforce chipset, it is compatible or i can have some problems? |
| 17:22.59 | enouf | right |
| 17:23.06 | enouf | 2048 blocks too |
| 17:23.27 | dazjorz | hmm, also |
| 17:23.32 | dazjorz | it seems to be a bug in busybox' mount |
| 17:23.39 | dazjorz | according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=717855 |
| 17:23.44 | enouf | alright, unless i do this myself, i won't know how to fix it, so go play :-P |
| 17:23.44 | dazjorz | since when I give a -t option, it says "Unknown device" |
| 17:23.46 | dazjorz | which is odd |
| 17:23.55 | enouf | and why don't you answer other points made? |
| 17:23.58 | dazjorz | "No such device" |
| 17:24.04 | dazjorz | enouf: /me checks on other points made |
| 17:24.13 | enouf | why pick and choose which ones you'll respond too? |
| 17:24.20 | enouf | ok |
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| 17:24.37 | dazjorz | dob1: you'll have no problems, AFAIK |
| 17:24.45 | dazjorz | I'm using nforce too, if I remember correctly |
| 17:25.00 | jetscreamer | dob1: nforce has a few problems |
| 17:25.05 | enouf | yes |
| 17:25.08 | enouf | forecdeth? |
| 17:25.13 | jetscreamer | the lan being the biggest that i know of |
| 17:25.16 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
| 17:25.24 | enouf | erm forcedeth* |
| 17:25.34 | dazjorz | tries adding generic.all_generic_ide=1 to the kernel parameters |
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| 17:25.37 | jetscreamer | what was that factoid? |
| 17:25.40 | jetscreamer | !z25 |
| 17:25.40 | dob1 | jetscreamer, dazjorz what i don't understand, there is some build driver(module) into the kernel, or i have to use the specific nvidia driver ? |
| 17:25.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
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| 17:25.50 | enouf | !nvidia forcedeth |
| 17:25.54 | enouf | oh |
| 17:26.02 | jetscreamer | !forcedeth mac |
| 17:26.02 | dpkg | If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". |
| 17:26.07 | jetscreamer | that |
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| 17:26.23 | enouf | is that only MacIntel -Book specific? |
| 17:26.28 | dazjorz | enouf: same problems.. |
| 17:26.45 | dazjorz | enouf: do you know what kernel module I need for mounting CD filesystems ? |
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| 17:26.53 | enouf | dazjorz: well what's the HDD controller? you need support in the initrd |
| 17:27.07 | enouf | dazjorz: isofs.ko iirc |
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| 17:27.20 | Usiu | Hi |
| 17:27.26 | Usiu | is gnome-network-manager broken in sid ? |
| 17:27.28 | enouf | dazjorz: but isolinux should, erm, nm |
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| 17:27.35 | jetscreamer | !ask Supaplex -about nvidia based boards |
| 17:27.49 | enouf | that's only to get into the grub/bootloader stage |
| 17:28.04 | Supaplex | woot? |
| 17:28.05 | dazjorz | enouf: I'll check if I have isofs |
| 17:28.13 | dazjorz | ...in a moment :) |
| 17:28.14 | jetscreamer | like my new factoid? :) |
| 17:28.15 | Usiu | Any help ? |
| 17:28.16 | enouf | dazjorz: well what's the HDD controller! |
| 17:28.17 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 17:28.21 | Supaplex | hah |
| 17:28.24 | dazjorz | enouf: the VMWare HDD controller |
| 17:28.28 | enouf | omg |
| 17:28.36 | Supaplex | why would dpkg ask me? |
| 17:28.44 | jetscreamer | he wouldn't |
| 17:28.51 | enouf | smacks someone onto the desk, and then hurls them across the room |
| 17:28.58 | dazjorz | enouf: That's all I know, except that all other initrd's I've *ever* tried in my life, had full support for the VMWare HDD controller ;) |
| 17:28.59 | jetscreamer | but some guy might |
| 17:29.05 | jetscreamer | but i didn't want to spam you |
| 17:29.06 | dazjorz | enouf: so it probably must be isofs.ko |
| 17:29.11 | enouf | dazjorz: whatever, never used that |
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| 17:29.21 | Supaplex | enouf: get a room for your rough lifestyle ;) |
| 17:29.27 | jetscreamer | live cd's use tht other thing don't they |
| 17:29.31 | enouf | $ lsmod | grep isofs |
| 17:29.31 | enouf | isofs 32160 1 |
| 17:29.39 | jetscreamer | the packed up thing |
| 17:29.49 | enouf | jkl: minitrt.gz ;-) |
| 17:29.53 | enouf | erm jetscreamer |
| 17:29.55 | Usiu | ? |
| 17:29.59 | enouf | deja friggin - VU |
| 17:30.07 | jetscreamer | squashfs or something |
| 17:30.09 | Usiu | after latest sid upgrade network manager stoped working |
| 17:30.11 | enouf | erm minirt.gz i mean |
| 17:30.11 | Usiu | any help |
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| 17:30.39 | enouf | jetscreamer: unionfs / cloop / afs / COW |
| 17:30.48 | enouf | but yeah, squashfs |
| 17:30.48 | jetscreamer | cloop |
| 17:30.54 | jetscreamer | yeah that i think |
| 17:31.00 | cjsstables | anyone in here familiar with seeting upldap? I have decidedto put ldaphome and ldap_data each on their own seperate raid 1 partition, but I don' have any clue as to how big to make these partitions. any recommendations? |
| 17:31.12 | enouf | that's just an older version of unionfs/aufs that knoppix used to start with |
| 17:31.27 | enouf | and above afs is a typo, i meant aufs |
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| 17:31.57 | jetscreamer | enouf: did you hang in #kanotix a while ago? |
| 17:32.11 | enouf | jetscreamer: no |
| 17:32.15 | jetscreamer | o |
| 17:32.24 | jetscreamer | i mean a long while |
| 17:32.29 | enouf | jetscreamer: erm, maybe walked in sometime back for a few days or something |
| 17:32.32 | jetscreamer | months |
| 17:32.35 | enouf | years |
| 17:33.05 | enouf | jetscreamer: i know someone that was using it, that i used to try and help a lot, maybe he dropped my name |
| 17:33.11 | enouf | a n00b |
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| 17:33.25 | jetscreamer | nah something else then |
| 17:33.32 | enouf | ok |
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| 17:34.06 | enouf | Supaplex: any problems with nvidia + amd boards? rofl :-P |
| 17:34.08 | dazjorz | enouf: bah, it has no lsmod >_< |
| 17:34.08 | dazjorz | enouf: I'm going to insmod isofs.ko |
| 17:34.08 | dazjorz | Yay |
| 17:34.08 | dazjorz | root FS is mounted :D |
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| 17:34.27 | enouf | huh? explain that better |
| 17:34.40 | enouf | use modprobe, if available instead |
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| 17:36.09 | Supaplex | enouf: I'm using an intel e100 card now. as for the video, I'm using the nvidia.run w/o issue on etch. (as the etch stock driver lacks support for my new shiney hardware). |
| 17:37.17 | n0mad | how to disable port 5000 with iptables ? |
| 17:37.32 | n0mad | totaly forbid action on that port |
| 17:37.43 | enouf | Supaplex: ouch . tried a kmuto one? and isn't e100 a newer replacement for e1000 or something? |
| 17:37.43 | n0mad | at any types |
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| 17:38.23 | Supaplex | enouf: e100 > eepro. kmuto isn't a replacement for nvidia-source |
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| 17:38.56 | enouf | Supaplex: right, i didn't mean the nvidia video .run driver, i meant for any other shiny/new ;-) |
| 17:38.57 | Usiu | is there any fix for bug that cause network-manager not to work with latest glib2 ? |
| 17:38.59 | Supaplex | n0mad: blocked to your host, or something else? |
| 17:39.14 | Usiu | how to downgrade from libglib2 2.16.1-2 |
| 17:39.18 | enouf | ahh, right e100 > eepro |
| 17:39.20 | Usiu | to eariler |
| 17:39.23 | Supaplex | enouf: I have yet to tackle alsa |
| 17:39.29 | enouf | uh oh |
| 17:39.32 | Supaplex | !tell Usiu -about downgrade |
| 17:39.48 | n0mad | Supaplex, to pc y |
| 17:39.52 | Supaplex | my ipod plays music just fine. so I'm kinda lazy atm. :) |
| 17:39.56 | enouf | Supaplex: what's the CPU and Chipset? PCIe? and nvidia memory controller in lspci ? |
| 17:40.00 | n0mad | to-from Supaplex |
| 17:40.12 | Usiu | Supaplex, where to get older versio n? |
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| 17:40.30 | Supaplex | !tell Usiu -about snapshots |
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| 17:40.34 | enouf | just pastebin the friggin lspci output and tell me cpuinfo :-P |
| 17:40.43 | enouf | <jk> |
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| 17:41.14 | enouf | bbiab |
| 17:41.27 | Frosty- | make-kpkg manpage states if I set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL to 4 it will act like "make - j 4" and run 4 concurrent threads, faster for multi-cores. To set an "environment variable", I can just run "CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4"? |
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| 17:41.50 | Supaplex | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/2GCZvy75.html |
| 17:41.51 | asg | Frosty-: CONCURRENTY_LEVE=4 make-kpkg .... |
| 17:42.00 | Frosty- | all on one line? ok |
| 17:42.04 | Frosty- | ty :) |
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| 17:42.25 | Supaplex | Frosty-: or export CONCURRENTY_LEVEL=4 ; stuff ... |
| 17:42.48 | abrotman | CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 17:42.50 | abrotman | not TY |
| 17:42.56 | Frosty- | always more than one way to skin a cat .. thanks :) |
| 17:43.14 | Usiu | Supaplex, ok I have deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool glib2.0 how to tell apt to install older version ? or after dpkg -P to install not the lastest one? |
| 17:43.20 | Supaplex | ahh yes. my ECC level was too low to fix all asg;s typos. ;) |
| 17:43.31 | abrotman | and your typos? |
| 17:43.40 | Supaplex | abrotman: 2lazy |
| 17:43.56 | Supaplex | Usiu: I cheat. I download them one at a time |
| 17:44.15 | Usiu | Supaplex, the directory contains only Packages.gz file |
| 17:44.23 | Usiu | Supaplex, whats the full path for glib2 for amd64? |
| 17:44.45 | Supaplex | I don't know off the top of my head |
| 17:45.01 | Frosty- | holy crap thats quicker now, thanks guys :) |
| 17:45.02 | chops | !tell Supaplex about search |
| 17:45.14 | Frosty- | totally owns the box 100% on all 4 :o |
| 17:45.56 | chops | Frosty-: It's probably the disk I/O more than the CPU load on all 4 CPUs... Linux is generally quite good about scheduling CPUs intelligently, disks not always quite so much |
| 17:46.08 | chops | Frosty-: (The IO load is what's owning the box I mean) |
| 17:46.09 | Supaplex | what is this, send Supaplex random factoids day? |
| 17:47.00 | themill | !tell Supaplex about be random |
| 17:47.15 | chops | Supaplex: Oh, you mean the libglib2 _package_, not the files in the package. Yes, that factoid was useless; sorry. Carry on. |
| 17:47.18 | Frosty- | Supaplex, yo mamma be phat |
| 17:47.24 | Frosty- | sorry couldnt resist :o |
| 17:47.30 | Supaplex | :p |
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| 17:48.09 | Supaplex | chops: Frosty- is the one needing help with finding snapshot packages. that's all. :) |
| 17:48.25 | Supaplex | I'm too lazy to go fish it out. |
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| 17:48.50 | chops | Supaplex: Yes. Wrong person wrong factoid. 0 for 2. |
| 17:48.52 | chops | goes back to work |
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| 17:49.59 | Supaplex | hehe |
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| 17:51.35 | enouf | Supaplex: back .. thanks |
| 17:51.45 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 17:52.17 | themill | dpkg: greet dury |
| 17:52.17 | dpkg | Bonjour, dury |
| 17:52.40 | dury | hi all |
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| 17:53.02 | dury | working with this distro see what's happend |
| 17:53.25 | dury | maybe I'll have some questions for you |
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| 17:54.01 | infinity0 | how do i enable midi support in debian? |
| 17:54.18 | themill | !midi |
| 17:54.18 | dpkg | midi is, like, Musical Instrument Digital Interface, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
| 17:54.32 | infinity0 | ty |
| 17:55.17 | themill | infinity0: see also the freepats package to use with timidity |
| 17:55.53 | infinity0 | themill: is there just a library i can install so that midi files can be played through any media player? |
| 17:55.57 | infinity0 | eg. totem / rhythmbox? |
| 17:56.17 | dury | ok guys may I ask |
| 17:56.35 | chops | !ask |
| 17:56.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:56.39 | themill | infinity0: nfi |
| 17:57.27 | infinity0 | oh, ok |
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| 18:00.38 | dury | all right |
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| 18:01.11 | Supaplex | hummm stupid resize2fs online shrink not supported my %*@$( |
| 18:01.30 | n0mad | thats how it looks on that 5000 port unwanted incomming trafic :/ http://pastebin.com/d17076d02 |
| 18:01.50 | sarefo | hi, my esata dies from time to time, and i'm looking for a way to restore it without having to reboot (after all, this is now window ;) |
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| 18:02.00 | sarefo | any ideas what modules i could check? |
| 18:02.26 | sarefo | libata and sata_via are running, so it could be a different problem. |
| 18:02.37 | dury | I have a problem with the sources list, when I apt-get it ask me the cdrom but. I want to change to the net |
| 18:02.58 | zinx | sarefo: dmesg would be a nice start.. |
| 18:03.06 | sarefo | dury: you should change the sources list |
| 18:03.11 | itchi | sarefo: Does you CD-rom contain a bad CD? |
| 18:03.34 | dury | I mean get the packages through the net |
| 18:03.45 | sarefo | itchi: why cd-rom? i connect external hard discs with e-sata |
| 18:04.02 | itchi | sarefo: Sometimes this may happen with a broken CD |
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| 18:04.06 | cahoot | dury do you have more than the CDROM source listed in sources.list? |
| 18:04.27 | dury | sarefo: should I edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:04.28 | itchi | dury: #Comment that CD line |
| 18:04.48 | sarefo | dury: yes |
| 18:04.53 | Frosty- | before I figured out CONCURRENCY_LEVEL, 29 mins, after, 8m :) |
| 18:04.59 | dury | right |
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| 18:05.14 | dazjorz | wtf ? |
| 18:05.17 | dazjorz | then I came back and I was kicked |
| 18:05.24 | enouf | Supaplex: that's not a laptop is it? and is this Agere a gigE? OnBoard? --> Agere Systems ET-131x PCI-E Ethernet Controller [11c1:ed00] (rev 02) and it works? came w/mobo? |
| 18:05.25 | sarefo | dury: comment out the cdrom, if you don't have any net addresses add them. |
| 18:05.48 | dazjorz | shakes his head and tries to remember what he was going to try next |
| 18:05.49 | Frosty- | dazjorz, you type too fast :) |
| 18:05.56 | dazjorz | Frosty-: o m g, you're kidding :P |
| 18:06.17 | enouf | sarefo: dies? how? |
| 18:06.42 | sarefo | sometimes, when i have not connected a disc for some time, then reconnect via e-sata, it says it cannot read the superblock. |
| 18:06.56 | dury | sarefo: what you mean when you said comment out, please in other words if it's possible |
| 18:07.10 | sarefo | so, it doesn't die during connected external hd's, thanks god :) |
| 18:07.11 | Supaplex | n0mad: iptables -t filter -A FORWARD -m tcp -m tcp --dport 5000 -j DROP see iptables -m udp. see --sport. there might be a way to use one rule for all protocols and any src/dst of port 5000. |
| 18:07.19 | sarefo | dury: put a # before the cdrom line |
| 18:07.21 | Supaplex | enouf: nope. it's a desktop. |
| 18:07.23 | sarefo | or lines |
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| 18:07.41 | sarefo | and be sure you have deb lines with a url in the file |
| 18:07.42 | dury | right |
| 18:08.01 | sarefo | like 'deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free' in my case |
| 18:08.02 | itchi | sarefo: Is that been commenting out? |
| 18:08.09 | Frosty- | without going thruogh the maze of menuconfig, whats the easiest way of breaking the reliance on an initrd |
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| 18:08.14 | enouf | sarefo: you could try restarting udev, with /etc/init.d/udev stop|start|restart .. you could try running udevtrigger --verbose, ...you could try the scsitools and sg3-utils pkgs, |
| 18:08.18 | Supaplex | enouf: the pci-e card is an addon. so I guess I have three nics. no biggie, the pci-e 1x slot can't be used by any other hardware I own, so I thought I'd give the driver a try. no luck thus far (but i'm apathetic about it right now) |
| 18:08.21 | itchi | sarefo: commenting out is removing that # |
| 18:08.28 | n0mad | Supaplex, ty. mm yes im interested in one rule for all protocols |
| 18:08.48 | n0mad | any src/dest |
| 18:08.50 | Supaplex | n0mad: that's the best I can do w/o man iptables. |
| 18:09.04 | n0mad | :) |
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| 18:09.11 | enouf | sarefo: one more way is to force a rescan of /sys/class/scsi_host/hostX/scan type deal too |
| 18:09.59 | enouf | Supaplex: heh, right gotcha, thanks |
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| 18:10.43 | sarefo | enouf: thx a lot, i'll try what works for me. |
| 18:11.06 | CharminTheMoose | could anyone determine how useful would a script be that grabs debian packages and then extracts the data.tar.gz inside the .deb file to a non standard location be? |
| 18:11.14 | enouf | Supaplex: i guess you disabled any OnBoard nvidia ethernet in BIOS? i don't see anything about it in your lscpi -nn (which btw, one can tell a dev/tester when you see he pastes -nn and not just lspci :-P) |
| 18:11.21 | sarefo | itchi: at least in programming 'commenting out' means adding a #. |
| 18:11.48 | msm | I have tried adding monitor section with resolution of 1154x864 to my xorg.conf but its not picking it up |
| 18:11.51 | sarefo | 100% sure that it means that in german (auskommentieren), 99% it's the same in english :) |
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| 18:12.03 | Supaplex | enouf: 00:07.0 |
| 18:12.11 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: not too useful to me ;-) but perhaps |
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| 18:12.50 | enouf | Supaplex: gah, my eyes glaze over once i saw Bridge :-P |
| 18:13.13 | themill | CharminTheMoose: how does that differ from dpkg-deb --extract foo.deb /tmp/targetdir? |
| 18:13.35 | sarefo | enouf: 'udev provides dynamic device dir with only files for actually present devices'. /dev/sdb is present at the moment, so that should not be the problem, or am i wrong? |
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| 18:13.51 | enouf | dpkg -x file.deb /tmp/target even |
| 18:14.15 | enouf | sarefo: theory is always nice ;-) |
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| 18:14.42 | drwahl | what is the most effective way to have multiple hosts, serving ssh, behind a router, to be accessed from the outside? is forwarding ports the best way? e.g. 221 goes to host 1, 222 goes to host 2, etc. Or is there a better way? |
| 18:14.43 | CharminTheMoose | themill, Perhaps it doesn't? |
| 18:14.51 | msm | the icons are way big ad font too |
| 18:14.55 | dury | sarefo: may I paste what's in /etc/apt/source.list |
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| 18:15.09 | dury | in #flood |
| 18:15.25 | Supaplex | dury: rafb.net/paste > #flood |
| 18:15.37 | sarefo | dury: ah, the poor people in #flood ;) np, go on. |
| 18:15.50 | enouf | sarefo: IINM, there might be a bug about PowerManagement or specific external devices/cases timing out/powering down because it's built into it's controller logic - make sure you know which module is responsible for your eSata, as many mobos use 3rd Party Chips for that |
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| 18:16.24 | sarefo | enouf: it's some via chip, i'll check the exact number |
| 18:16.41 | enouf | sarefo: then maybe, if the module isn't in use by any other devices, you might be able to modprobe -r , then reload it - though if you disk is mounted, that won't work |
| 18:17.07 | enouf | sarefo: and could be dangerous - always umount prior |
| 18:17.18 | enouf | but try that lastly, as last resort |
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| 18:17.22 | sarefo | enouf: the problem is that i cannot mount a disc sometimes. once it's mounted there are no problems. |
| 18:17.34 | vy | Hi! Would anybody mind sharing his/her *working* /etc/network/interfaces file for wlan with wpa? (I installed the wireless driver via ndiswrapper successfully -- "iwlist wlan0 scan" works, etc -- but couldn't manage to ifup wlan successfully.) |
| 18:17.37 | enouf | sarefo: also checkout bugzilla.kernel.org |
| 18:17.45 | enouf | ahhh |
| 18:17.55 | CharminTheMoose | themill, well actually it does differ from dpkg, as in, it uses apt-get to download the packages.. but i suppose it doesn't differ much.. |
| 18:18.08 | enouf | righto - if it sits idle and is not mounted, it kinda clams up for good? sarefo |
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| 18:18.21 | dury | sarefo see that |
| 18:18.21 | enouf | a bus rescan should solve that |
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| 18:19.11 | sarefo | dury: no don't see anything |
| 18:19.33 | dury | sarefo in #flood |
| 18:19.37 | sarefo | enouf: er, bus rescan? no idea how to do that |
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| 18:19.42 | enouf | sarefo: if you still run into issue, the enclosure for the drive itself might be an/the issue |
| 18:19.46 | SpeedyG | uhm |
| 18:19.52 | enouf | sarefo: i told you earlier |
| 18:19.55 | sarefo | dury: i'm in flood, but i don't see anything |
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| 18:20.16 | dury | again ok |
| 18:20.19 | enouf | rescan-scsi.sh for one, in those pkgs i mentioned - or manually |
| 18:20.19 | SpeedyG | what could possibly be wrong if my box started to hang, and now, after a forced reboot, only shows a white and gray blinking screen while attempting to start X ? |
| 18:20.21 | sarefo | enouf: ah ok, i'm still working down that list you gave me :) |
| 18:20.27 | enouf | ok then |
| 18:20.46 | enouf | vy: one sec |
| 18:21.06 | dury | go flood sarefo |
| 18:21.11 | vy | enouf: I'll be really gladful. |
| 18:21.14 | dury | is there |
| 18:21.18 | sarefo | enouf: what do you mean by clams up for good? this part of english i don't know :) |
| 18:21.54 | enouf | vy: i don't do wifi, however this works for someone else http://rafb.net/p/gASTNY92.html |
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| 18:22.05 | sarefo | dury: you need to put a # before the deb cdrom: line. |
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| 18:22.17 | enouf | sarefo: it's not reachable, it shuts down basicallu |
| 18:22.19 | enouf | basically |
| 18:22.24 | sarefo | and you need a line like i gave you earlier. |
| 18:23.04 | enouf | vy: obviously you need to alter some specific info there - /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 18:23.13 | sarefo | enouf: ah ok. i think the problem is in the motherboard or linux, not the hd case. |
| 18:23.24 | SpeedyG | anyone any idea ? My guess would be hardware failure.. but not sure tho |
| 18:23.42 | enouf | sarefo: what drive? which enclosure |
| 18:23.43 | enouf | ? |
| 18:24.11 | enouf | is it one of those stupid WesternDigital iBook crapola things? |
| 18:24.15 | vy | enouf: Thanks. I played so much with that configurations, but couldn't manage to get it working. (I read a whole bunch of stuff under /usr/share/doc/{wireless-tools,wpasupplicant} directories.) |
| 18:24.17 | RangerRick | quick question; I know I'm missing something obvious -- does anyone know why I'd get this error trying to update our debian packages (uses cdbs): http://paste.lisp.org/display/57502 |
| 18:24.23 | sarefo | some esata/usb ide/sata combo icybox. |
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| 18:24.46 | sarefo | it works on my doze laptop, that's why i kind of trust it. |
| 18:24.53 | enouf | sarefo: and hald and udevd are always running? |
| 18:25.32 | enouf | vy: np - hope you get it working |
| 18:26.03 | sarefo | at the moment they're running, and mounting won't work. i'll go on checking the list |
| 18:26.08 | n0mad | mm Supaplex can try it for me even later at any free minute - full what i need :S ? |
| 18:26.20 | n0mad | can u |
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| 18:26.53 | enouf | sarefo: "mount a disk sometimes"? is it an external CDROM/DVD ? or a HDD? |
| 18:27.05 | vy | enouf: I couldn't spot any password related configurations in that file. Do I miss anything? |
| 18:27.09 | sarefo | enouf: external hd |
| 18:27.15 | enouf | ok |
| 18:27.53 | enouf | vy: that config is using Public/Private Keys for Authentication. IINM |
| 18:27.56 | abrotman | RangerRick: try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:27.58 | enouf | vy: see pre-up /sbin/iwpriv wlan0 set WPAPSK=dummy ? |
| 18:28.19 | enouf | and line 18 pre-up /sbin/iwpriv wlan0 set AuthMode=WPAPSK |
| 18:28.29 | RangerRick | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:28.34 | abrotman | RangerRick: though offhand i'd say that file just doesn't exist? :) |
| 18:28.47 | RangerRick | abrotman: cdbs is supposed to be making that tree, but the tree is empty =) |
| 18:28.57 | abrotman | RangerRick: and the warning above that might help ? |
| 18:29.00 | sarefo | rescan-scsi-bus.sh finds no new devices. |
| 18:29.21 | sarefo | although it *can* see the disc itself... |
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| 18:29.48 | RangerRick | abrotman: they dont' seem relevant; they're all part of "clean" which since I've not gotten a build to pass, there's nothing to clean yet |
| 18:29.54 | RangerRick | i'll ask there though; thanks for the pointer |
| 18:30.00 | abrotman | RangerRick: ah ok |
| 18:30.20 | enouf | sarefo: well, find out which bus your device is connected to "udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sdb" and even /sdb1 try |
| 18:30.35 | SpeedyG | what could possibly be wrong if my box started to hang, and now, after a forced reboot, only shows a white and gray blinking screen while attempting to start X ? |
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| 18:30.48 | abrotman | you broked it |
| 18:30.59 | SpeedyG | I didnt do nothing! |
| 18:31.06 | abrotman | that's the technical term .. sorry if you don't understand |
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| 18:31.20 | SpeedyG | gheh |
| 18:31.29 | enouf | sarefo: ls -l /sys/class/scsi_host<tab><tab> even |
| 18:31.32 | sarefo | enouf: it's on 1:0:0:0 (i guess), and rescan.sh says 'report luns: transport: host_status=0x04 [DID_BAD_TARGET] on this one. |
| 18:31.33 | SpeedyG | nah, seriously, what'd you suggest to look for abrotman ? :) |
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| 18:31.53 | enouf | sarefo: cat /proc/scsi/* and lsscsi is another tool/util |
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| 18:32.57 | sarefo | well, the disc is in proc/scsi/ |
| 18:33.06 | SpeedyG | abrotman: hm, nvidia drivers seems to be broked! |
| 18:33.20 | enouf | ouch, ok, but now checkout this ; echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host9/scan <--replace with correct hostX |
| 18:33.24 | sarefo | and in lsscsi |
| 18:33.34 | abrotman | SpeedyG: see .. you broked it |
| 18:33.40 | enouf | did you ever try udevtrigger? |
| 18:33.48 | SpeedyG | abrotman: nvidia broked it :( I wasnt home when this happened :( |
| 18:33.51 | sarefo | where do i find hostx? |
| 18:34.00 | enouf | look up |
| 18:34.04 | sarefo | enouf: yes, udevtrigger restarted my sound card i think ;) |
| 18:34.09 | enouf | rofl |
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| 18:35.00 | enouf | sarefo: how about running udevmonitor .. watch it as you plug/unplug your sata as well |
| 18:35.07 | enouf | erm eSata |
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| 18:35.36 | SpeedyG | abrotman: hm, I'd guess hardware failure.. |
| 18:35.41 | SpeedyG | abrotman: quite some packet-loss on that box as well |
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| 18:36.09 | enouf | there's also the hotswap pkg, but that's more for IDE hotplugging for caddies, IINM, and sg3-utils to try yet, and other things i mentioned |
| 18:36.30 | sarefo | enouf: i'm not sure which host is the right one (i have an internal sata hd too) proc_name is sata_via and unique_id is only a number |
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| 18:36.48 | enouf | sarefo: you can figure it out - try lshal | less as well |
| 18:37.08 | enouf | sarefo: lsscsi and /proc/scsi/* should be all you need though |
| 18:37.46 | SpeedyG | is there a possibility to test the RAM from within *nix, or should I reboot with a disc containing memtest ? |
| 18:37.54 | enouf | as i said also; ls /sys/class/scsi_host/<tab><tab> |
| 18:38.14 | enouf | SpeedyG: yuo need to reboot |
| 18:38.27 | enouf | SpeedyG: to even run memtest86+ effectively |
| 18:38.28 | SpeedyG | enouf: hm :( sucks |
| 18:38.34 | enouf | not really ;-) |
| 18:38.40 | SpeedyG | well, kinda does :P |
| 18:38.41 | enouf | well, rebooting doews, yeah |
| 18:38.42 | SpeedyG | == lazy ;) |
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| 18:39.04 | SpeedyG | if only someone'd find out a box that'd just tell you whats wrong with it |
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| 18:39.30 | SpeedyG | 'memory broke, please replace' instead of 'some random weird error nobody understands' and then after testing all hw, you find out its memory |
| 18:39.43 | enouf | leave it be then till it dies slowly, fizzles out, lets out the blue smoke magic and crashes the system hard :-P |
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| 18:40.04 | enouf | goes to eat |
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| 18:40.10 | SpeedyG | enjoy :) |
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| 18:40.58 | chops | SpeedyG: The problem is that people are smarter than computers are... if the person can't even figure out what's wrong with the computer, how is the computer supposed to figure it out? |
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| 18:41.20 | SpeedyG | chops: I probably can figure it out... its just that i'm lazy tonight :p |
| 18:41.25 | chops | SpeedyG: On this principle have many great-sounding computing ideas run aground and foundered. |
| 18:41.54 | SpeedyG | btw, those IBM boxes do what I want at some bit ;) |
| 18:42.16 | SpeedyG | they place servicecalls at IBM to replace disks which might become faulty within a short period of time :D |
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| 18:43.09 | tnks | So, we have a network that we think is dropping packets during high-traffic senarios. what's a good tool to profile dropped packets? |
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| 18:43.43 | Guerin | iptraf |
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| 18:48.32 | sarefo | enouf: what does the echo "- - -" line do? |
| 18:48.40 | traumschule | im running a nearly fresh debian 2.6.22. is there anything i have to install to encrypt a partition? |
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| 18:50.37 | whtfea | hello |
| 18:50.41 | sarefo | enouf: udevmonitor shows nothing, whatever i do with the external drive (plug/unplug, on/off) |
| 18:50.47 | whtfea | i'm looking for libncurses of curses library on apt-get |
| 18:50.53 | whtfea | anyone know what it falls under? |
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| 18:51.18 | havocologe | is it normal that tcp dump is generating a huge amount of data ? |
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| 18:51.45 | sarefo | the thing is, when one sata hd is mounted and running, the problem should probably not be the sata_via module, right? |
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| 18:52.03 | soczol | depends on what you are dumping; if your dump includes ssh traffic, then it will log all those packets (causing more packets to be sent over ssh, etc.) |
| 18:52.24 | tnks | Guerin: okay, let me check out if iptraf will work. |
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| 18:53.29 | Guerin | whtfea: aptitude search libncurses |
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| 18:55.23 | dutchfish | got some strange thing with compiz (etch compiz 0.2.2-1), when i maximize a screen it keeps jumping between maximized and former size, hard to close it then .... how to solve this? |
| 18:55.26 | enouf | sarefo: it clears the 3 settings there; http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/5/97 |
| 18:55.41 | sarefo | and as rescan-scsi-bus.sh recognizes the drive, it looks like the problem is on the partition level? |
| 18:56.31 | sarefo | anyway, i tried anything except sg3-utils now, and it's not recognized. |
| 18:56.41 | tnks | Guerin: I'm not sure how I'd configure iptraf to count dropped packets. |
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| 18:57.07 | enouf | sarefo: you haven't modprobe -r the module (which i mentioned do/try last) |
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| 18:57.35 | sarefo | enouf: right. you mean sata_via in my case? |
| 18:57.38 | enouf | sata_via is also for your internal drive? .. look in lspci |
| 18:57.39 | dutchfish | tnks, you can see dropped packets in ifconfig also |
| 18:57.58 | tnks | dutchfish: that's a good point. |
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| 18:58.13 | tnks | dutchfish: I do want to see it broken out by port, though. |
| 18:58.14 | enouf | sarefo: some general info., linux-ata.org .. be sure to check/follow bugzilla as i mentioned |
| 18:58.20 | dutchfish | tnks, like watch ifconfig <your divice> |
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| 18:58.59 | dutchfish | tnks, ifconfig only shows total drops |
| 18:59.04 | tnks | dutchfish: yeah. |
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| 19:00.10 | tnks | I was hoping for a test that sets up a server on one and a client on the other end. And then ramps up network traffic, with some monitoring of performance and dropped packets. |
| 19:00.16 | sarefo | enouf: the internal and external sata are on the same controller, i'm pretty sure they both use sata_via. however, i can't read this from lspci. it says i have a VT8237 pci bridge |
| 19:00.22 | enouf | sarefo: without udevmonitor responding makes me think that power/links to that eSata bus/interface are in PowerOff mode or whatever .. dmesg should hold some clues as well as kern.log and syslog |
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| 19:00.36 | enouf | sarefo: oh that's a laptop, hehe |
| 19:00.44 | tnks | Guerin: dutchfish: I might be able to home-brew one, but I thought something might already be out there. |
| 19:00.53 | sarefo | can you give me the bugzilla url again? i'm on scrollz irc proggie, and ironically don't know how to scroll up there... |
| 19:01.01 | enouf | which have issues with acpi and cpufreqd and all that |
| 19:01.01 | abrotman | scrollz? |
| 19:01.05 | sarefo | enouf: no, it's a tower. |
| 19:01.39 | enouf | thought you said laptop up there somewhere |
| 19:01.57 | dutchfish | tnks, at the top of my head you can also query the proc system for that, but i forgot how, somewhere in /proc/net , not sure, give me a few minutes |
| 19:01.57 | sarefo | enouf: yes, i have a doze laptop where the external hd makes no trouble. |
| 19:02.09 | enouf | sarefo: pastebin output of lspci -nn |
| 19:02.15 | enouf | sarefo: i see |
| 19:02.48 | sarefo | ok. any decent irc prog you guys can recommend? :) |
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| 19:03.01 | dutchfish | sarefo, xchat |
| 19:03.01 | enouf | in /proc/net/device ? |
| 19:03.03 | CharminTheMoose | xchat is good |
| 19:03.39 | DogBoy | and if you're hardcore irrsi |
| 19:03.45 | DogBoy | I'm using xchat |
| 19:04.37 | sarefo | thx, see you in a second :) |
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| 19:05.19 | enouf | tnks: there are tools out there, which one depends, nagios, cacti, etherape, monit, awstats, libstatgrab as well as those mentioned by others .. though i suck at networking, just throwing stuff out to ya |
| 19:05.27 | sarefo | ahh, much better :) |
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| 19:06.31 | enouf | dutchfish: $ cat /proc/net/dev |
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| 19:06.42 | stiv2k_ | uhh |
| 19:06.45 | stiv2k_ | how the heck does this diff work |
| 19:07.00 | stiv2k_ | i am specifying `diff file1 file2` and its saying no such file or directory |
| 19:07.03 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, but thats not by port either |
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| 19:07.34 | stiv2k_ | erhm |
| 19:07.40 | dutchfish | enouf, not sure but maybe : watch /proc/net/stat/rt_cache |
| 19:07.55 | stiv2k_ | moreover, how do i read the output of diff |
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| 19:08.38 | enouf | dutchfish: all ifaces up are there |
| 19:08.46 | enouf | dutchfish: and no, not by port |
| 19:08.53 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, yup |
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| 19:09.41 | dutchfish | enouf, another way watching netstat with paras |
| 19:09.56 | sarefo | enouf, when i closed scrollz (for good) it clears the screen :( so, you still think it's a problem with sata_via, even when rescan-scsi-bus.sh shows the disc? |
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| 19:11.13 | sarefo | enouf, how was that with theory is good? reloading the module worked :)) |
| 19:11.28 | enouf | hehe |
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| 19:11.57 | sarefo | many many thanks, this was really a major hassle for the last weeks to me. |
| 19:12.15 | sarefo | it's always the last thing, except when you think your smart and start from the bottom... |
| 19:12.40 | sarefo | makes you wonder how come that bugs have some kind of intelligence |
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| 19:12.56 | enouf | sarefo: i run into an issue where my ps/2 mouse dies from time to time, i remove it physically, drop to tty, login as root, modprobe -r the two modules, plug in, modprobe those two, then it works ;-) |
| 19:13.28 | sarefo | enouf: and, i had an advanced crash course on whatever it was you showed me to do ;) |
| 19:13.28 | vvd | do i have to install the kernel-src package to view the kernel config? |
| 19:13.47 | enouf | just have to be especially careful when that module is being used by another device, especially a HDD |
| 19:14.15 | sarefo | as i will probably some day forget to umount the internal hd, what will happen? :) |
| 19:14.22 | enouf | sarefo: cool, but how were you able to remove the module? i mean isn't your rootfs using a HDD that uses sata_via ? |
| 19:14.28 | dutchfish | enouf, so far : netstat eth0 -nt --numeric-hosts -v but no stats yet |
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| 19:14.59 | sarefo | good point. right now i have two pci hd's, one with my root partition. the internal sata hd is just data. |
| 19:15.01 | abrotman | vvd: no .. it's in /boot/ |
| 19:15.14 | enouf | sarefo: how did you umount / ? ahhhaa!!! you were fortunate ;-) |
| 19:15.25 | sarefo | but, i was planning to move everything on the sata disc. |
| 19:15.36 | enouf | sarefo: good to clarify that |
| 19:15.42 | sarefo | enouf, noo! :) / is on my pci. |
| 19:15.51 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:15.51 | vvd | abrotman: ah, lazy me, thx :) |
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| 19:16.18 | sarefo | but the point is that once i do have my root on the internal sata, the modprobe -r sata_via won't work for me any more, i guess :( |
| 19:16.19 | SpeedyG | enouf, abrotman, it was a hardware failure apparently, the box is now totally dead :) I'd guess mainboard or somth |
| 19:16.29 | odla | how wan i make /usr/bin/gcc point to the 4.1 version and not the newer one? |
| 19:16.31 | abrotman | SpeedyG: YOU BROKED IT! |
| 19:16.34 | odla | s wan/can |
| 19:16.40 | SpeedyG | abrotman: YEAH! :D :D |
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| 19:16.45 | abrotman | CC=blah compilecommand |
| 19:16.59 | odla | CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1? |
| 19:17.29 | enouf | sarefo: i wish you could possibly file a bug report about this to lkml |
| 19:17.42 | enouf | sarefo: or find the ones already there that apply ;-) |
| 19:18.01 | enouf | SpeedyG: ahh, oh well, make sure the PSU is good |
| 19:18.11 | themill | !wayttd odla |
| 19:18.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, odla? |
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| 19:18.12 | dutchfish | enouf, netstat eth0 -n --groups --tcp --numeric-hosts -c |
| 19:18.24 | sarefo | enouf, i'm really bad at bug reports, but i will check it out. |
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| 19:19.02 | enouf | sarefo: me too - but it'll help everyone |
| 19:19.06 | SpeedyG | enouf: yeah, i've got to check all the hw |
| 19:19.06 | odla | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:19.18 | dutchfish | got some strange thing with compiz (etch compiz 0.2.2-1), when i maximize a screen it keeps jumping between maximized and former size, hard to close it then .... how to solve this? |
| 19:19.24 | SpeedyG | enouf: but since i've got no money atm, and not enough spare hw to test it, it's not gonna bother me :) |
| 19:19.45 | sarefo | enouf: hmm, 'everyone', that includes me... (think, think) ;) |
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| 19:20.04 | enouf | SpeedyG: that's the spirit!@ |
| 19:20.13 | enouf | sarefo: get busy |
| 19:20.16 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:20.34 | SpeedyG | enouf: yeah, well, I wont miss the box while its not working.. gotta have it fixed within 2 weeks, so got quite some time left ;) |
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| 19:22.56 | Enigma123 | What is wrong if filenames with utf8-chars are note displayed correctly in the console? |
| 19:23.30 | sarefo | enouf, so you think there's a bug in sata_via? ... |
| 19:23.39 | abrotman | Enigma123: you didn't generate the correct locale perhaps |
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| 19:25.08 | enouf | sarefo: yeah - that or the kernel's handling of it, and perhaps acpi, hald, and userspace udev .. whatever |
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| 19:26.05 | enouf | sarefo: i mean i can't speculate how and why and when it goes tits up, but it obviously does at some point |
| 19:26.10 | chops | Enigma123: The VGA console (not X)? |
| 19:26.23 | enouf | sarefo: is that 64bit kernel? amd64? |
| 19:26.50 | Enigma123 | chops: ssh |
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| 19:27.06 | sarefo | amd64 cpu, but 32bit kernel |
| 19:27.23 | chops | Enigma123: Your $LANG on one end or another is not set correctly and/or you didn't generate the right locale (see 'dpkg-reconfigure locales') |
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| 19:27.28 | enouf | and 32bit userspace, so i386 arch |
| 19:27.52 | enouf | sarefo: using the -k7 ? or the latest -686 kernel? |
| 19:28.01 | enouf | sarefo: cat /proc/version |
| 19:28.09 | Enigma123 | chops: Can I screw a lot if I change locales? |
| 19:28.10 | vanksi | i got about 10 production servers, each running their own mysql instances, would i gain any performance benefits if i made a 3 server mysql cluster and leave the rest of them as http/tomcat servers? around 150 databases sized from 2MB to 400MB |
| 19:28.30 | sarefo | 2.6.22-3-486 |
| 19:28.36 | chops | Enigma123: It's very difficult to screw things by _adding_ locales or by resetting $LANG |
| 19:28.39 | sarefo | don't ask me why, i don't remember... |
| 19:29.24 | enouf | sarefo: if that's not a debian kernel please see lkml, or your *cough*debian-based*cough* distro - otherwise let deb-devs know - yse reportbug |
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| 19:29.27 | Enigma123 | dpkg-reconfigure locales -> locales-all installed, skipping locales generation |
| 19:29.27 | enouf | use |
| 19:29.46 | Enigma123 | chops: do I have to reboot the system? |
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| 19:30.02 | chops | Enigma123: No. You may need to re-log in. |
| 19:30.03 | pgpkeys | question why are you running a 32bit kernel on 64bit hardware? |
| 19:30.03 | shinbo | hi |
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| 19:31.38 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
| 19:31.52 | Enigma123 | chops: well ... better ... kind of ... now I can see the two utf8-characters instead of two questionmarks ;) \o/ |
| 19:32.10 | chops | Enigma123: That's only "kind of" better? :-) |
| 19:32.56 | sarefo | enouf, i'm on lenny. hmm, reportbug, that's nice :) didn't know it exists (like with the container of progs you mentioned earlier ;) |
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| 19:33.31 | enouf | yep |
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| 19:34.05 | enouf | !dstats lenny |
| 19:34.12 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 21771 packages, 1892 maintainers, 55008 MB installed size, 19184 MB compressed size. |
| 19:36.27 | dutchfish | vanksi, if you gain anything i doubt that, but you gain cycles (power) specially when your "specialized" mysql server cluster gets enough ram |
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| 19:37.38 | dutchfish | vanksi, it all depends on query optimizations, and how good your net is |
| 19:38.03 | sarefo | enouf, what package would you suggest in reportbug? i would otherwise just identify as a base problem. |
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| 19:39.57 | enouf | sarefo: hrm, linux-image-version, since sata_via.ko comes with your kernel pkg |
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| 19:40.33 | enouf | (as do all your kernel modules) |
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| 19:41.10 | enouf | sarefo: if you're using a debian kernel - installed from .. oh nm |
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| 19:41.55 | enouf | sarefo: i wish you wouldn't be evasive - please do not file a bug to debian if you compiled that kernel yourself |
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| 19:42.09 | Borbus | Does anyone know how to set up rsyncd so users can only auth and transfer over ssh? |
| 19:42.26 | sarefo | i think i didn't. but i really don't remember the reason i have a 486 kernel. |
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| 19:42.37 | enouf | sarefo: cat /proc/version |
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| 19:42.54 | ricosecada | What is debians equivalent for /etc/suauth if any? |
| 19:43.10 | Borbus | Has there been a netplit or something? |
| 19:43.27 | enouf | ricosecada: sudo? explain |
| 19:43.33 | dutchfish | Borbus, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/rsync.htm |
| 19:43.40 | sarefo | enouf, it mentions debian. |
| 19:43.54 | sarefo | 2.6.22-3-486 (Debian 2.6.22-6) (maks@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20071019 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-17)) |
| 19:44.04 | ricosecada | enouf, in many distros the file /etc/suauth are used to limit who can use the "su" command. |
| 19:44.19 | enouf | sarefo: do /exec -o cat /proc/version |
| 19:44.27 | ricosecada | so I could ask instead, how do I define who can use the "su" command? |
| 19:44.59 | enouf | ricosecada: good question, there's no wheel group setup |
| 19:45.07 | sarefo | Linux version 2.6.22-3-486 (Debian 2.6.22-6) (maks@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20071019 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-17)) #1 Mon Nov 12 07:53:08 UTC 2007 |
| 19:45.18 | sarefo | ah, learned something again ;) |
| 19:45.26 | enouf | ricosecada: when one wants to grant auth to a user, one uses sudo /etc/sudoers |
| 19:45.52 | enouf | sarefo: thanks, now, file that bug ! away ;-) |
| 19:46.00 | ricosecada | enouf, so adding wheel and suauth will not work? (I'll try) |
| 19:46.13 | Borbus | dutchfish: yeah that show how to use rsync over ssh... but won't the rsyncd still allow connections without ssh? |
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| 19:46.26 | enouf | ricosecada: i never heard of suauth, but don't go by that |
| 19:46.36 | sarefo | argh, reportbug makes me look through 851 bug report titels :(( |
| 19:47.01 | sarefo | enouf, i'm not going until you give me an obfuscated enough line that formats my hard disc ;) |
| 19:47.12 | pgpkeys | they haven't updated the search feature? or are your search terms just broad? |
| 19:47.22 | enouf | sarefo: huh? well it is a large pkg ;-) you could likely use / and <keyword> and skim over irrelevant ones |
| 19:47.36 | enouf | sarefo: huh? |
| 19:47.38 | sarefo | pgpkeys, hmm, i though 's' could mean something... |
| 19:47.49 | sarefo | though->thought |
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| 19:48.29 | ricosecada | enouf, it doesn't work anyway :-) |
| 19:48.30 | dutchfish | Borbus, http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2004-February/008736.html |
| 19:49.27 | sarefo | pgpkeys, no, it was 'f'... |
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| 19:49.58 | pgpkeys | ahh |
| 19:50.02 | enouf | netstat eth0 -n --groups --tcp --numeric-hosts -c <-- interesting command dutchfish ;-) not sure what to make of it's output though :-P |
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| 19:50.31 | vy | Hi! Is it possible to increase the sensitivity of some specific keys? (E.g. Left CTRL.) |
| 19:50.34 | enouf | sarefo: you want to wipe your HDD? |
| 19:50.58 | sarefo | no, i'm just saying if you tell me to do a 'rm -rf /' it won't work ;) |
| 19:51.05 | enouf | heh |
| 19:51.13 | dutchfish | enouf, nah forget it, i prolly was daydreaming, but it is somehow possible to get dropped packets out of proc grouped by port, if i only could remember .... |
| 19:51.17 | enouf | why would i? |
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| 19:51.43 | enouf | dutchfish: i know, more calamari for brain retention! |
| 19:51.57 | dutchfish | enouf, and lots of garlic on it ;) |
| 19:52.04 | enouf | bingo! |
| 19:52.20 | Tramp | Borbus: bind the rsync-daemon to localhost and tunnel through ssh - as the manpage of rsync suggests (search for "tunnel") |
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| 19:56.19 | ricosecada | When I use iptables to specify filter rules, and I add the commands at the console, does the setup I make get saved somewhere? I am sorry but I am used to Packet Filter from OpenBSD, where every rule is specified in a pf.conf file. |
| 19:57.35 | simonrvn | no, you'd have to add each to a file |
| 19:57.50 | simonrvn | or, use iptables-save |
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| 19:58.51 | simonrvn | which then can be loaded with iptables-restore |
| 19:59.05 | ricosecada | So I have to restore on reboot? |
| 19:59.14 | Borbus | Tramp: yeah I can do it with a tunnel |
| 19:59.24 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:59.26 | Borbus | But actually... I just tried it... and it seems I can only log on with ssh anyway |
| 19:59.36 | Borbus | Even if I don't use --rsh=/usr/bin/ssh |
| 19:59.49 | Borbus | It just uses ssh anyway |
| 20:00.01 | Borbus | I'm not sure why... but that's ok I suppose... |
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| 20:00.17 | simonrvn | Borbus: /etc/alternatives/rsh |
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| 20:00.42 | simonrvn | guess what the link points to? ;) |
| 20:00.58 | Borbus | Is rsh like unsecure ssh? |
| 20:01.07 | Borbus | Oh.. ssh? |
| 20:01.11 | Tramp | Borbus: I don't know, what you mean. With rsyncd, you should not use --rsh, iirc. That's the transport-specifier for daemonless (i.e. "normal") rsync connections |
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| 20:01.34 | Borbus | Tramp: I meant using that on the client side |
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| 20:01.47 | Borbus | I'm running rsyncd on my debian box and using rsync on my arch box |
| 20:01.57 | Borbus | To sync from debian to arch |
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| 20:02.10 | foo | hm, what does this mean? E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
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| 20:02.34 | simonrvn | rsh is "remote shell", it's what ssh replaces |
| 20:02.53 | Borbus | I thought ssh replaced telnet? |
| 20:03.00 | Borbus | Or is it the same thing? |
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| 20:03.17 | simonrvn | deb-src; they just duplicate the deb ones except for the -src |
| 20:03.27 | enouf | ricosecada: there are files meant like rc.local, bootmisc.sh and others perhaps even network specific should you need to run an iptables-restore or similar |
| 20:03.43 | Borbus | So actually there's no way to connect to a debian box without ssh by default? |
| 20:03.48 | Borbus | Assuming I installed ssh and nothing else |
| 20:04.01 | pgpkeys | sshd needs to be running to connect to it |
| 20:04.23 | Borbus | Yeah, I'm using ssh all the time |
| 20:04.23 | pgpkeys | and in general, no |
| 20:04.28 | pgpkeys | thats the client |
| 20:04.33 | enouf | openssh-server? |
| 20:04.40 | Borbus | But I wasn't sure if rsync used webdav or something unsecure by default |
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| 20:04.45 | pgpkeys | it's still ssh either way |
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| 20:05.09 | foo | simonrvn: was 13:03 < simonrvn> deb-src; they just duplicate the deb ones except for the -src to me? |
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| 20:05.45 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:06.29 | elif | Hi, how to manual install cran packages, anyone can tell me or point me a page/manual ? |
| 20:06.43 | Borbus | cran? |
| 20:06.44 | foo | simonrvn: ah, please hilight my nick... ok, thanks, I'll try that :) |
| 20:06.46 | pgpkeys | man crontab |
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| 20:07.24 | elif | cran is the cpan for R-system |
| 20:07.25 | enouf | man 5 crontab too |
| 20:07.37 | enouf | crap? |
| 20:07.42 | enouf | cram? |
| 20:07.53 | simonrvn | enouf? |
| 20:07.57 | enouf | ahh .. chile con carne :-P |
| 20:08.07 | pgpkeys | elif: ahh i thought it was a misspelling my bad |
| 20:08.21 | Tramp | Borbus: if you use rsyncd, the transfer is not encrypted. If you use the --rsh-option you are not using rsyncd. |
| 20:08.29 | enouf | !tell elif about search |
| 20:08.38 | o2T7 | I have a bootable_img.iso file. If i want to boot from it, is there any way of doing it without the needing of a removable media? making a ramdisk or something? |
| 20:08.38 | Borbus | Really? |
| 20:08.48 | Borbus | So I don't need rsyncd on debian? |
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| 20:09.04 | pgpkeys | nope. scp works |
| 20:09.16 | Borbus | Oh, ok |
| 20:09.18 | Tramp | Borbus: no. rsyncd is a special transfer method. It has some advantages (like defining easy to remember "module names" |
| 20:09.20 | Borbus | removes rsyncd |
| 20:09.23 | enouf | and sftp i guess |
| 20:09.33 | zinx | uses rsync with ssh |
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| 20:09.39 | zinx | scp is terrible :/ |
| 20:09.48 | Tramp | Borbus: but if you don't know, what you are doing, you also don't need rsyncd. |
| 20:09.51 | sarefo | enouf: ok, i did my duty as a sol^h^h^huser and filed a bug report, thanks again + later :) |
| 20:09.57 | simonrvn | doesn't work half the time with me |
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| 20:10.07 | enouf | o2T7: see syslinux.zytor.com find memdisk |
| 20:10.15 | simonrvn | (scp) |
| 20:10.15 | o2T7 | enouf: thanks |
| 20:10.17 | pgpkeys | naw, it's just the initial connect that sucks because of the session key generation and possibly if you have a low regen time |
| 20:10.24 | enouf | sarefo: egg-cellent ;-) |
| 20:10.25 | Borbus | Tramp: for some reason I thought rsync needed daemon and client to work |
| 20:10.26 | elif | enouf: I did search for it, but couldn't find, I'm asking here as anyone hoping for help ;-) |
| 20:10.30 | ricardokirkner | hi. I was trying to install the flashplugin-nonfree package when I found out that it no longer appears in the debian repositories... I know this is nonfree software, so I should go and complain to adobe.. bla bla bla, but I just wanted to know if someone knows the reason why it suddenly started missing in the repos, and if it will be available again? |
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| 20:10.50 | Tramp | Borbus: ok. No. This is a common misconception. Reread the manpage then. |
| 20:10.53 | enouf | elif: you left that information out ;-) |
| 20:11.12 | CharminTheMoose | how would I go about telling my cups client to print from a pc running cupsd on a lan? |
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| 20:11.31 | Tramp | Borbus: it needs, however, rsync installed on both ends. |
| 20:11.52 | gemidjy | with the repositories that come as default in etch I get a lot unmet dependencies weather when installing (i.e.) libqt4-dev and many other packages... |
| 20:11.55 | Borbus | Oh.. it does, ok |
| 20:12.01 | Borbus | I just removed rsync on debian :P |
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| 20:12.19 | Borbus | By default rsyncd is disabled right? |
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| 20:12.58 | Tramp | Borbus: yes. Check /etc/default/rsync |
| 20:12.59 | Borbus | It seems rsyncd was running by default |
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| 20:13.29 | Borbus | Oh, so even though the daemon is running its disabled anyway |
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| 20:13.55 | enouf | Tramp: seems eeriely similar to what i learned about samba - (support) it's in the kernel .. only need the samba pkgs for bootup automounting and daemons and utils and such |
| 20:13.58 | Tramp | Borbus: hmm. RSYNC_ENABLE=false should be the default and then the daemon should not be running |
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| 20:14.46 | Borbus | Oh, /etc/init.d/rsync isn't actually the daemon.. |
| 20:14.55 | Tramp | enouf: hmm. I'm not really familiar with samba, but it sounds similar |
| 20:15.06 | Tramp | Borbus: sigh. It is the daemon. |
| 20:15.08 | Borbus | Actually it's just a script isn' tit |
| 20:15.15 | Tramp | ah |
| 20:15.28 | Tramp | Borbus: yes. Well, it's the script that starts rsync in daemon mode |
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| 20:15.58 | Borbus | Yeah so even if the script is run but RSYNC_ENABLE=false is set it won't actually run the daemon |
| 20:16.20 | enouf | Tramp: well, ne neither, but the way you described rsync seems like it's almost supported the same way (mostly kernel (modules) to work, everything else is fluff ;-)) |
| 20:16.21 | Tramp | Borbus: exactly. The variable stops the script from running the daemon. |
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| 20:16.51 | Tramp | enouf: well, rsync has nothing to do with the kernel |
| 20:17.02 | enouf | Tramp: i see then, thanks |
| 20:17.18 | ricosecada | How can I limit what information apache gives away on a portscan? |
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| 20:17.28 | enouf | Tramp: i will dig more myself when necessary for that info |
| 20:17.37 | revil | ys!! I just downloaded debian r3 dvd for ia64 architecture. I have previously burned 2 dvds of r2, but they wouldn't boot. I also try to boot qemu from the dvd iso, but qemu seems to get stuck without any trace that it reads the dvd. Is there something wrong with the iso? How would I go on with the installation? |
| 20:18.06 | enouf | Tramp: i bet the in kernel support is mainly for FS support, such as smbfs cifs and such (samba related) |
| 20:18.20 | Borbus | Well according to wireshark it is using ssh |
| 20:19.06 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: any #cupsys channels? |
| 20:19.06 | Tramp | enouf: yes - there also is an NFS kernel server |
| 20:19.14 | Borbus | And I didn't use a --rsh option |
| 20:19.22 | Borbus | But I guess on both boxes there is only one rsh which is ssh |
| 20:19.23 | enouf | Tramp: righto, yep |
| 20:19.39 | Tramp | Borbus: yes. Because it's the default. |
| 20:19.45 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, there be no answers.. not even comments to rtfm. o.o |
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| 20:20.24 | Borbus | Cool, thanks... good to know about the difference between rsyncd and a normal rsync transfer |
| 20:20.29 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: http://localhost:631 ? set it up? no idea really - RTFM ;-) |
| 20:20.46 | Tramp | Borbus: I said "if" you use --rsh, you don't use daemon. I didn't say, if you don't use --rsh, you use daemon. (i.e. I didn't say "if and only if") - it's complicated. As i suggested, reread the manpage. |
| 20:21.08 | Borbus | Yeah I shall |
| 20:21.15 | revil | Is dvd-1 an installation dvd? |
| 20:21.16 | Borbus | iff |
| 20:21.18 | Borbus | ;) |
| 20:21.36 | Tramp | right. |
| 20:21.50 | gemidjy | can anyone suggest me a list of repositories (sources.list) so that I am able to install libqt4-dev in etch without unmet deps ? |
| 20:22.23 | simonrvn | !backports |
| 20:22.23 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 20:22.58 | enouf | revil: why ia64? |
| 20:23.13 | revil | enouf, I have a core2duo, shouldn't I? |
| 20:23.18 | enouf | revil: NO |
| 20:23.20 | Borbus | lol |
| 20:23.21 | enouf | !ia64 |
| 20:23.21 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64 |
| 20:23.27 | Borbus | AMD64 != IA64 |
| 20:23.29 | simonrvn | !ia64 |
| 20:23.32 | revil | oh damn.. |
| 20:23.39 | revil | so that's why? |
| 20:23.44 | gemidjy | simonrvn: thanks |
| 20:23.46 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 20:23.50 | revil | feels stupid thanks enouf |
| 20:23.57 | enouf | use i386 or amd64 (64bit) |
| 20:24.01 | revil | feels stupid; |
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| 20:24.02 | enouf | welcome |
| 20:24.03 | revil | thanks enouf |
| 20:24.20 | Tramp | ricosecada: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/core.html#servertokens |
| 20:24.36 | Borbus | IA64 was around a long time before AMD64, by the way, but it wasn't backwards compatible with 32 bit, so failed really |
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| 20:24.38 | ricosecada | thanks, I just found it |
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| 20:25.18 | enouf | revil: note i386 is i686 so don't think it's unoptimized or whatever , it's just the 32bit x86 arch name |
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| 20:25.39 | enouf | ricosecada: ? sudo? :-P |
| 20:26.20 | ricosecada | enouf, nobody gets roots password, and only sudo is implemented, thanks ;-) |
| 20:26.20 | gemidjy | and again I get unmet dependencies: http://rafb.net/p/UFRZfj70.html |
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| 20:26.31 | enouf | Borbus: ia64 == when Intel tries to be like Macintosh :-P |
| 20:26.32 | revil | thanks again enouf ! |
| 20:26.38 | enouf | revil: np |
| 20:27.02 | enouf | ricosecada: righto - remember to only edit using "visudo" |
| 20:27.53 | ricosecada | yes, thanks! |
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| 20:28.30 | enouf | ricosecada: you can use whichever EDITOR= you like, just export or whatever |
| 20:28.51 | Badger | enouf: odd |
| 20:28.58 | Badger | I've used nano in the past. :P |
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| 20:29.29 | enouf | Badger: i do too - but visudo just calls yuor EDITOR= |
| 20:29.39 | Badger | ah |
| 20:29.53 | enouf | Badger: but does the syntax checking and locking while editing and such, iirc' |
| 20:29.58 | Badger | :/ |
| 20:30.02 | Badger | oh |
| 20:30.14 | Badger | oops |
| 20:30.16 | enouf | yeah, so any editor can be used |
| 20:30.33 | rue_recovering | there is something with the way that debian sets up X that makes it so x apps from remote machines cant connect and use the desktop, anyone off hand know what the settings change is to fix that? |
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| 20:31.07 | rue_recovering | its really simple, but there are over half a million files on my computer and I dont know which one to edit |
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| 20:31.59 | simonrvn | hint: /etc/X11 |
| 20:32.15 | mmlj4 | you might consider mucking around with /etc/passwd |
| 20:32.16 | rue_recovering | ok that brings it down to about 50 |
| 20:32.19 | abchirk | anyone knows a tool to connecting to a windows XP machine, without using the graphics card from this PC? |
| 20:32.28 | abrotman | telnet ? |
| 20:32.28 | rue_recovering | I did xhost+ |
| 20:32.33 | rue_recovering | on local |
| 20:32.50 | rue_recovering | and export DISPLAY=192.168.1.2:0 on remote |
| 20:33.09 | rue_recovering | the apps fail with cant open display |
| 20:33.19 | trpr | abchirk: there are installations of ssh which run in cygwin / cygwin like environment. |
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| 20:33.35 | trpr | abchirk: provided the windows machine actually has command line tools you can use, you could ssh in, etc |
| 20:33.37 | rue_recovering | there is something simple that needs to be changed, I cant remember what |
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| 20:34.10 | abchirk | mhh trpr and abrotman the problem is, that the graphics card crashed there... and I need a way to connect quickly tio this machine, coz I can't see so much all is full of stripes and else. :p |
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| 20:34.20 | trpr | oh.. bummer |
| 20:34.32 | abrotman | abchirk: oh, so you can't start the telnetd on windows ... |
| 20:34.37 | CharminTheMoose | cool, I managed to figure out how to print! I just edited /etc/cups/client.conf to point to the server that cupsd was running on and now all my apps automagically know about it! kerching! |
| 20:34.47 | abrotman | abchirk: wait .. you tried the normal rdesktop client ? |
| 20:34.53 | abchirk | I installed tightvnc but vnc seems to use the graphicscard interface. :P |
| 20:35.09 | abrotman | abchirk: what do you need to do on the other machine? |
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| 20:35.56 | abchirk | abrotman the harddisk.. and I didn't found the harddisk place. :( |
| 20:36.11 | mmlj4 | wait, you want to view the windows desktop from another machine? and vnc isn't cutting it? try the native windows RDP thingie |
| 20:36.18 | mmlj4 | what's that called again? |
| 20:36.23 | abchirk | rdesktop. :) |
| 20:36.24 | abrotman | abchirk: uh .. ##windows ? |
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| 20:37.02 | abchirk | mhh, maybe I try to isntall rdesktop |
| 20:37.16 | Tramp | rue_recovering: it's not so trivial. Are you using gdm? |
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| 20:40.18 | enouf | rue_recovering: ~/.Xauthority ? |
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| 20:40.44 | ferret_0567 | how can I build a cross-compiler for ARM on Debian Lenny/ |
| 20:40.45 | ferret_0567 | ? |
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| 20:41.05 | rue_recovering | enouf, ... |
| 20:41.06 | ferret_0567 | It's for my shiny new LifeDrive PDA that dual-boots Palm OS and Linux |
| 20:41.10 | Tramp | enouf: by default X does not listen on tcp (-nolisten tcp). He has to change this in the place, where his server is started |
| 20:41.22 | Tramp | rue_recovering: did you see my question? |
| 20:42.16 | rue_recovering | Tramp, yea, but I know its just 1 setting in a file that has a comment saying that by defualt its turned off |
| 20:42.48 | rue_recovering | and I have another machine that I did this up on, I have no idea what I did |
| 20:42.50 | enouf | ferret_0567: see wiki.debian.org and search for ARM, also perhaps http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/download.html |
| 20:43.03 | enouf | ferret_0567: maybe a #debian-arm channel? |
| 20:43.17 | Tramp | rue_recovering: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf then (in etch) or /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf (after etch) |
| 20:43.21 | ferret_0567 | enouf: hmm...maybe so... |
| 20:43.26 | rue_recovering | hmm |
| 20:43.47 | johndbritton | enouf: still running strong! |
| 20:43.57 | Tramp | the name of the variable is "DisallowTCP" |
| 20:44.03 | enouf | johndbritton: fantabulous! good to hear ;-) |
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| 20:44.43 | Tramp | rue_recovering: and, of course, the server must be restarted. Check with ps -ef if the server is started with the -nolisten parameter |
| 20:44.51 | ferret_0567 | I'm getting help from Farcaller, a developer on the Hack&Dev project |
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| 20:44.57 | ferret_0567 | he's the co-foundere |
| 20:45.20 | rue_recovering | nolisten! that rings a bell! |
| 20:45.27 | rue_recovering | where is that? |
| 20:45.40 | Tramp | rue_recovering: do you actually read what I write?? |
| 20:46.09 | rue_recovering | yea, I'm being narrow focused :) |
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| 20:46.21 | rue_recovering | its nolisten by defualt isn't it? |
| 20:46.24 | rue_recovering | where is that |
| 20:46.37 | Tramp | rue_recovering: you said you use gdm and I gave you the exact location of what you have to change. |
| 20:46.41 | rue_recovering | aha |
| 20:46.50 | rue_recovering | xinit/xserverrc:exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
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| 20:47.24 | Tramp | rue_recovering: no, not if you use gdm. But I stop now. |
| 20:47.34 | rue_recovering | aha! |
| 20:47.38 | rue_recovering | thats it! |
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| 20:48.03 | rue_recovering | #exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 20:48.03 | rue_recovering | exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 |
| 20:48.12 | rue_recovering | I even left in the old line! |
| 20:48.16 | rue_recovering | thanks! |
| 20:49.24 | rue_recovering | Tramp, :) thankyou |
| 20:49.36 | Tramp | rue_recovering: 'twas my pleasure. |
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| 20:49.46 | ricosecada | Does this look reasonable or am I missing something? "iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp --syn --destination-port ! 80,22,110,995 -j DROP" |
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| 20:50.37 | themill | bash will bitch about the ! if nothing else. |
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| 20:52.03 | helo | by default, does dhcp3-server offer replies to on all interfaces? |
| 20:52.24 | Tramp | ricosecada: according to the manpage, it must be "--destination-ports" for the multiport module |
| 20:52.57 | ricosecada | Tramp, thanks, didn't notice! |
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| 20:54.08 | Tramp | ricosecada: and I would leave out the "--syn" |
| 20:54.24 | ricosecada | Tramp, why? |
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| 20:55.17 | Tramp | ricosecada: If I send a non-syn package to an open port you want to protect, your machine will send back a reset, telling me that there is a listener. |
| 20:55.39 | ricosecada | okay |
| 20:55.39 | Tramp | ricosecada: hmm. wait. that makes no sense. |
| 20:56.15 | Tramp | ricosecada: actually it would send a rst also if there was no listener ... |
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| 20:56.51 | helo | anyone know what default interfaces dhcp3-server will listen on? all of them? |
| 20:57.02 | enouf | i hope you're sending packets and not packages O_o |
| 20:57.11 | Tramp | ricosecada: but however. the --syn just blocks fewer packets and maybe there is some information leak possible with sending non-syn packets 8) |
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| 20:57.43 | Tramp | enouf: right 8) |
| 20:57.48 | ricosecada | Tramp, the way I understand it is that if there is no syn, then it is dropped |
| 20:57.49 | enouf | hehe |
| 20:58.07 | ricosecada | Tramp, it forces it to begin a connection with syn |
| 20:58.25 | ricosecada | Tramp, and the only the specified ports are allowed |
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| 20:59.10 | Tramp | ricosecada: hmm. no. You block all syn-packets to ports not in your list |
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| 21:00.06 | Tramp | ricosecada: but allow (1) any packet to ports in your list (2) any non-syn packets to ports not in your list (this was the case I was referring to above) |
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| 21:00.48 | ricosecada | Tramp, yes, I see it now! |
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| 21:01.02 | ricosecada | Tramp, so you suggest to simply remove the syn part? |
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| 21:01.33 | Tramp | ricosecada: yes. Then all packets to ports not in your list will be dropped, all packets to ports in your list will be allowed. |
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| 21:02.23 | Tramp | ricosecada: actually, I would set it up differently: set the policy to drop and allow packets explicitely |
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| 21:02.43 | ricosecada | Tramp, I will do that! |
| 21:02.57 | enouf | helo: $ apt-cache show dhcp3-server |
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| 21:04.10 | terron | is there a way to search through packages that have been installed through apt-get and can be removed? |
| 21:04.31 | enouf | dpkg -L dhcp3-server will show you same as here (if etch and i386) http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/dhcp3-server/filelist |
| 21:04.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching dhcp3-server will show you same as here (if etch and i386) http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/dhcp3-server/filelist |
| 21:04.31 | ricosecada | Tramp, does this look right: http://www.mista.nu/iptables/generator.php (missing some ports, but I'll add them) |
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| 21:05.24 | enouf | terron: debfoster and deborphan |
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| 21:07.40 | Tramp | ricosecada: no. The lines for your ports should look like this: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth1 --dport 80 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 21:08.34 | ricosecada | Tramp, thank you very very much, you have been a great help! |
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| 21:08.49 | Tramp | np |
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| 21:09.01 | zzer | how the scrathpad apt is naed? |
| 21:09.11 | terron | thanks enouf |
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| 21:10.00 | jmpp_ | greets! |
| 21:10.22 | jmpp_ | I'm using debian sarge and have a question about DNS setup |
| 21:10.33 | zzer | yeah my scrapthpad its slow, but i can't found it. |
| 21:10.56 | jmpp_ | but the question really about DNS itself more than debian, so I was wondering where's a good place to ask |
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| 21:11.06 | helo | if i have 2 nics, one on network 192.168.1.0, and the other 192.168.2.0, and have dhcp3-server configured to serve out ips in the range 192.168.1.50-250, will dhcp3-server reply to dhcp requests on the 192.168.2.0 interface? |
| 21:11.07 | jmpp_ | have been looking around but still not too sure |
| 21:11.43 | helo | if so, i fear i may have hosed a network :/ |
| 21:13.18 | zzer | anybody remember where is scratpad (some like that) ? |
| 21:13.52 | drwahl | helo: you can define what NICs dhcpd3 serves on. i forget where, but obviously its in the config file. i had to do that for a project for school once. |
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| 21:14.30 | helo | drwahl: it is /etc/default/dhcp3-server, but i didn't edit that... and i'm trying to figure out how screwed i am |
| 21:14.37 | drwahl | so i know it can be done, but i'm not sure what it does by default, and i cant remember where in the config file you define it. RTFM and it should tell you where you place those thing, iirc. |
| 21:14.46 | drwahl | lol |
| 21:14.47 | drwahl | oh... |
| 21:14.48 | drwahl | ok... |
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| 21:15.24 | helo | i was assumming dhcp3-server would know that a reply coming in from one network shouldn't be given an ip from a completely different network |
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| 21:15.57 | drwahl | you might be screwed pretty bad then since dhcp requests are not network specific due to the fact that they are broadcasts, either card might respond to it. HOWEVER, in order to do the dhcp-reply and dhcp-ack, they might need to be on the same subnet, so you might have a chance :) |
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| 21:16.42 | helo | panics |
| 21:16.50 | helo | pushes the red button |
| 21:17.06 | Rashomon | Can anyone help me, I have a really tiny installation of Debian 4 on a 300 Mb HD-space with 6 Mb ram. I have created a user for SSH but I keep getting "No space left on device" when I try to write stuff to disk. |
| 21:17.17 | Rashomon | (this is for a super-small vps) |
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| 21:17.54 | helo | ok, well i gotta go... we'll see if i have a job tomorrow lol |
| 21:18.05 | drwahl | rofl, goodluck :) |
| 21:18.48 | Tramp | helo: why not try to fix it? depending on the lease-time it may be only a temporary disaster. |
| 21:19.08 | helo | Tramp: at the location they are trying to diagnose the problem, so my server is offline |
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| 21:19.24 | Tramp | ah - i see. |
| 21:19.40 | helo | is away -- forever? -- messages will be saved. |
| 21:19.53 | ricosecada | Tramp, I hope you don't mind taking a look: http://pastebin.com/d6bcfcfaa I have used this script, the port 48990 is my ssh, when I ran the script, I locked myself out, and the machine didn't resond to pings. Could you perhaps help me spot my mistake? |
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| 21:21.28 | drwahl | ricosecada: i dont mean to sound rude, but are you sure that eth1 is the correct interface? might it have been eth0 that needed configuring? |
| 21:21.45 | ricosecada | you are not rude :-) yes its eth1 |
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| 21:24.05 | Tramp | ricosecada: leave out this "! --syn" rule. It makes no sense and probably fscks things up. |
| 21:24.22 | ricosecada | okay |
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| 21:26.49 | kyrie | Hi there. I'm having trouble booting debian. Kernel won't load unless I specify acpi=off, but then I don't have multicore support. It freezes almost immediately. |
| 21:27.01 | kyrie | How could I diagnose the problem? |
| 21:27.12 | schallstrom_ | hi, i have an apache2 running on debian 4.0 and just activated the userdir module. but i just get 403 forbidden when trying to view content of my users public_html. permissions are like 755 on /home, /home/user and /home/user/public_html. what should i do? |
| 21:27.20 | kyrie | Ubuntu seems to boot, if that helps. |
| 21:27.35 | drwahl | kyrie: what release are you using? |
| 21:27.39 | robboplus | hm when i compile stuff, does compiler check ulimit -n (max file desc.) value set for the box? |
| 21:28.07 | kyrie | Lenny. Tried with etch install, and didn't work (lack of drivers). |
| 21:28.12 | robboplus | i really can't sort out the damned issue with max ~1000 connections on the port :( |
| 21:28.37 | ricosecada | Tramp, I still gets locked out? |
| 21:28.47 | drwahl | kyrie: hmm... what kernel is it running? do you have the output for uname -a? |
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| 21:28.55 | drwahl | err "uname -a" ? |
| 21:29.07 | kyrie | drwahl 2.6.24. Let me grab the uname -a |
| 21:30.06 | kyrie | drwahl: 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 21:30.08 | schallstrom_ | is my apache prob too mundane? |
| 21:30.11 | drwahl | kyrie: is it a thinkpad? |
| 21:30.32 | kyrie | drwahl: No, desktop. Don't know the chipset, I think it is intel g33, if that makes sense. |
| 21:30.39 | Tramp | ricosecada: ah, ok. you also need a rule for all related/established packets. hang on a second |
| 21:30.51 | ricosecada | thank you |
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| 21:31.19 | drwahl | kyrie: i know there were issues with acpi in the thinkpads for lenny, but aside from that, i have not heard much, although, i would always claim to i dont know much :) |
| 21:31.38 | drwahl | kyrie: do you have the latest bios? |
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| 21:32.34 | kyrie | drwahl: don't think so. Should I try to grab it? During the install, booting with BOOT_DEBUG=3 resulted on a "bios bug" error, I think. |
| 21:32.36 | Tramp | ricosecada: put this rule in (I suggest in front of your port-rules): iptables -A INPUT -m state --state EST,REL -j ACCEPT |
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| 21:32.55 | kyrie | drwahl: (I've never updated a bios... can that be done from debian?) |
| 21:33.40 | drwahl | kyrie: ya, acpi errors usually occur when there is issues with the BIOS. depending on how new/old your mobo is, there might be a floppy disk/usb stick utility available from the manufacturers website |
| 21:33.54 | drwahl | kyrie: i would check the manufactureres website for how to update the bios |
| 21:34.03 | drwahl | its usually a fairly painless process |
| 21:34.13 | Tramp | ricosecada: Also, at the very end put the following rule: "iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-prefix INPUT_DROP_" |
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| 21:34.29 | kyrie | drwahl: I'll get on to it. Do you have any idea why ubutu seems to work? (guess not, just trying :D) |
| 21:34.47 | kyrie | drwahl: btw, grub also refused to load, I had to install grub2 |
| 21:34.53 | ricosecada | Tramp, where does it log to? |
| 21:35.15 | drwahl | kyrie: not sure exactly. i know that ubuntu uses a slightly differnet kernel, which probably includes a fix for some known acpi/bios issues that hasnt made it into lenny for some reason. that would be my guess anyhow |
| 21:35.36 | drwahl | kyrie: hmm... i have never used grub2, so that is well outside my realm of knowledge |
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| 21:36.02 | ricosecada | Tramp, and if you don |
| 21:36.04 | kyrie | drwahl: well, thanks for your help. I'll take a look at the intel website... Let's see if that works. Thanks. |
| 21:36.15 | drwahl | kyrie: np, good luck! |
| 21:36.21 | ricosecada | Tramp, sorry :-) if you don't mind, can you explain the first rule you pasted? |
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| 21:36.26 | kyrie | drwahl: don't worry, I hope I can learn grub2 by myself :D |
| 21:37.21 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 21:37.21 | dpkg | somebody said iptables was the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 21:38.11 | Tramp | ricosecada: it accepts all packets which belong to an already established connection (connections which are opened with the "NEW" keyword) |
| 21:38.28 | ricosecada | Tramp, thanks |
| 21:39.14 | Tramp | ricosecada: basically the "syn" packet matches the "NEW" rule, all other packets are caught by this rule |
| 21:39.31 | ricosecada | okay |
| 21:41.19 | ricosecada | Tramp, now it works perfectly, thank you very much! |
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| 21:41.49 | drwahl | i'm kinda confused about xen. is it an application that gets installed on top of a host OS, or is it a kernel module, or is it an entire OS itself...? |
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| 21:42.26 | simonrvn | @wiki Xen |
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| 21:42.51 | simonrvn | @+wiki Xen |
| 21:42.59 | ravenbird | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen (URL), Wikipedia explains: " {{Infobox Software | name = Xen | logo = | screenshot = | caption = Xen running NetBSD and three Linux distributions | developer = The Xen Project, XenSource, Inc. | latest_release_version = 3.2.0 | latest_release_date = Jan 16, 2008 | operating_system = Linux, and other Unix-like, *BSD, OpenSolaris as both hosts and guests; Microsoft Windows as the guest OS. | genre |
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| 21:44.38 | drwahl | ty simonrvn |
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| 21:44.46 | Soskel | hi |
| 21:44.54 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 21:45.03 | Soskel | where is the default apache virtual hosts file? |
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| 21:46.28 | drwahl | Soskel: what apache are you running? apache1.3 or apache2 ? |
| 21:46.33 | Soskel | a2 |
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| 21:46.59 | ajksdflkj | hi |
| 21:47.17 | ajksdflkj | how can I tell my cpus temp from a shell? |
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| 21:47.28 | drwahl | apache2 defines virtual hosts in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf (iirc) and then the hosts have their own folder in /etc/apache2/sites.available/ |
| 21:47.51 | SzArAk | ajksdflkj: try "sensors" program |
| 21:47.51 | magyar | hi which package contains "EncWords.pm" in etch? |
| 21:48.00 | robboplus | what does it exactly do? #define FD_SETSIZE 4096 |
| 21:48.04 | joltcan | magyar: packages.debian.org to your resuce |
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| 21:48.17 | SzArAk | magyar: there is a tool for that. apt-file. apt-file update, apt-file search filename |
| 21:48.22 | drwahl | Soskel: so the default one shoudl be in /etc/apache2/site.enabled/default or something close to taht |
| 21:48.36 | Soskel | alrighty |
| 21:48.37 | Soskel | thanks |
| 21:48.42 | joltcan | robboplus: It defines FD_SETSIZE to be equal to 4096 |
| 21:48.58 | joltcan | robboplus: Just like PI could be defined to 3.14 |
| 21:48.59 | vlatko | ajksdflkj, install lm_sensors, run sensors as root and answer yes to all questions... reboot or restart x and try sensors |
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| 21:49.22 | ajksdflkj | is there a pkg for lm_sensors? |
| 21:49.29 | drwahl | yes |
| 21:49.33 | vlatko | yes |
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| 21:49.41 | ajksdflkj | I get apt-get install lm_sensors and got "Couldn't find package lm_sensors" |
| 21:49.51 | vlatko | sudo apt-get update |
| 21:49.56 | drwahl | !lmsensors |
| 21:49.56 | dpkg | [lm_sensors] a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. It is packaged in the lm-sensors package. #linux-sensors @ irc.freenode.net |
| 21:49.59 | robboplus | joltcan i understand that but what is FD_SETSIZE? does it have to do with max open connections on the port? |
| 21:49.59 | vlatko | or check sourses.list |
| 21:50.15 | drwahl | ah, try apt-get install lm-sensors |
| 21:50.20 | SzArAk | ajksdflkj: maybe packege is called lm-sensors |
| 21:50.21 | drwahl | no underscore, but a hyphen |
| 21:50.40 | ajksdflkj | thanks. will try after update finishes. thanks. |
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| 21:52.08 | vlatko | ajksdflkj, don't forget sudo apt-get install sensord, and check sensors-applet later |
| 21:52.09 | joltcan | robboplus: your context doesn't explain that.But I guess FD can be read as File Descriptor, so yes. |
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| 21:53.03 | SzArAk | is diff a good way to compare two gzipped files? i realy don't feel like keeping md5 for every file i want to compare |
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| 21:54.13 | gd1 | hi, I can't CTRL-ALT-DEL if X started. Why? |
| 21:54.18 | magyar | hi, where can i get "libmime-encwords-perl " for etch? |
| 21:54.37 | gd1 | it is supposed to work always |
| 21:54.45 | SzArAk | i mean, will it be very slow and pointless to do diff on gzipped files in my scripts? |
| 21:55.02 | Rayne|aedion | i need the db{x}_{y} commands from berkeley db. i installed libdb4.4 and libdb3 but the commands aren't included. which pakage i am searching for? (debian etch/stable) |
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| 21:55.51 | rob-- | is pump used to foce dhcp renew pump -i eth0 I get Operation failed, lspci shows ADMtek ADM8211, is it possible I need to use ndiswrapper to get this working |
| 21:55.52 | joltcan | magyar: apt-cache search for it and see if you find it |
| 21:55.52 | gd1 | nobody knows? |
| 21:56.24 | fiendishfish | home:/home/fiendishfish/Desktop/LOLZ# mkfs.vfat /dev/sde1 |
| 21:56.24 | fiendishfish | bash: mkfs.vfat: command not found |
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| 21:56.29 | joltcan | gd1: because X overrides those mappings |
| 21:56.30 | fiendishfish | Why does it say mkfs.vfat not found? |
| 21:56.47 | gd1 | joltcan: how can I make X don't override those mappings? |
| 21:56.53 | joltcan | gd1: but you can remove them in your xfree config, but don't ask me how, because I don't remember |
| 21:56.55 | magyar | joltcan: only on lenny |
| 21:56.59 | enouf | kyrie: make BIOS say raid not ide |
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| 21:57.27 | joltcan | magyar: Then I guess you have to go the hard way and read up on CPAN |
| 21:57.46 | kyrie | enouf: still downloading the bios, so I'll try that before upgrading.. right away. thanks. I'll keep you posted |
| 21:58.01 | mbroeker | fiendishfish, because you haven't installed dosfstools ... |
| 21:58.08 | joltcan | Rayne|aedion: Probably in db{x}_{y}-util |
| 21:58.25 | enouf | kyrie: i wrote this somewhere--> Also; Concerning SATA DVD Drives; I know Dell releases the g33 / ICH9 Mobo on atleast teh Inspiron 530 Model, which does NOT have a separate choice for AHCI in the BIOS - only [RAID] or [IDE] are available - i've found that setting this to [RAID] is what enables the AHCI functionality and a recognized DVD drive for installation. |
| 21:58.30 | havocologe | is it possible to use a remote tcpdump log for wireshark without downlaoding it ? |
| 21:58.32 | vlatko | gd1, do u use gnome? |
| 21:58.34 | fiendishfish | Hmm, thanks mbroeker |
| 21:58.43 | joltcan | Rayne|aedion: sorry, db[34].?-util |
| 21:58.43 | gd1 | vlatko: it's just debian and X |
| 21:58.58 | gd1 | kiosk |
| 21:59.29 | vlatko | gd1, there is a great application in gnome about keyboard shortcuts... :/ |
| 21:59.50 | gd1 | vlatko: I don't want gnome, it's a kiosk terminal |
| 21:59.55 | gd1 | thanks however |
| 21:59.56 | vlatko | :) |
| 21:59.59 | Rayne|aedion | joltcan: stupid me... you are right. i looked only for libdb4.4 - but there is no util |
| 22:00.24 | robboplus | joltcan what i'm having a problem with is that ircd can't accept more than 1000 people online (port is closing then), and i just thouught that FD setting in source is responsible as it was set to 1024... would you like to advice me if such explanation makes sense? |
| 22:00.46 | enouf | kyrie: a bit more about all that though maybe your .24 is messed it's pants http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2623-etch.htm |
| 22:01.01 | enouf | you made it right? |
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| 22:01.16 | kyrie | enouf: Well, only had the AHCI and IDE options (not raid). It was IDE already, tried ahci, but I got the same. |
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| 22:01.27 | kyrie | enouf: Hmm. .22 also locks up. |
| 22:01.37 | enouf | who's ? |
| 22:01.46 | enouf | er, whose? |
| 22:01.54 | kyrie | whose? |
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| 22:02.02 | enouf | er, whose kernels? |
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| 22:02.38 | kyrie | enouf: I have 2.6.24-1-amd64 and the 32 bits 2.6.22 |
| 22:02.39 | enouf | who made the fucken kernels? :-P |
| 22:02.46 | kyrie | Oh. |
| 22:03.00 | enouf | ? |
| 22:03.08 | enouf | i mean Debian or you? |
| 22:03.10 | kyrie | Lenny and Sid :D |
| 22:03.13 | kyrie | Debian. |
| 22:03.15 | enouf | lol |
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| 22:03.23 | enouf | ok |
| 22:03.50 | enouf | then your specific chipset and cpu info is vital |
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| 22:03.55 | eax | hi |
| 22:03.58 | enouf | and controllers and such |
| 22:04.22 | kyrie | enouf: how do I get to that info? lspci? |
| 22:04.24 | enouf | boot ubuntu live thingy and grab lspci -nn , lsmod and dmesg |
| 22:04.24 | eax | i'm writing a script shell and i want to know if the user is root or not |
| 22:04.41 | kyrie | on my way. |
| 22:04.56 | abrotman | eax: #bash .. and `whoami` or `id` |
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| 22:05.26 | Soskel | is there a tutorial somewhere about setting up virtual hosts in apache2? I looked all over google |
| 22:05.27 | eax | abrotman: thanks and how can i stop my script if the user is not root ? |
| 22:05.36 | abrotman | #bash |
| 22:05.40 | abrotman | Soskel: ask #apache |
| 22:05.54 | Soskel | I can't join that channel for some reason |
| 22:06.03 | drwahl | lol, did they ban u? |
| 22:06.20 | Soskel | looks like it |
| 22:06.21 | abrotman | Soskel: you need to be registered with nickserv i believe |
| 22:06.28 | abrotman | oh .. you are |
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| 22:06.32 | Soskel | chanserv told me I was banned |
| 22:06.35 | abrotman | well .. ask the ops of #apache to unban you |
| 22:06.39 | Soskel | I never joined that chan before |
| 22:06.46 | Soskel | $apache-ops ? |
| 22:06.50 | abrotman | or check httpd.apache.org for docs |
| 22:06.50 | enouf | chanop loathes you |
| 22:06.51 | Soskel | #apache-ops |
| 22:07.10 | enouf | he/she likely ops elsewhere where've you been a fool |
| 22:07.13 | abrotman | Soskel: /cs access #apache list .. look at the list of ops .. talk to one of them |
| 22:07.23 | Soskel | thanks |
| 22:07.35 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.40 | abrotman | or ask barefoot |
| 22:07.43 | joltcan | robboplus: perhaps the OS it self sets that limit |
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| 22:08.05 | abrotman | since you've been banned for over two weeks .. likely wasn't an accident |
| 22:08.07 | Tenkawa | anyone having trouble mounting cifs shares in unstable lately? |
| 22:08.10 | Soskel | idle for 1 week |
| 22:08.12 | terron | is there a way to get release information (primarily the release name of debian)? uname-a only gives kernel version and build date |
| 22:08.18 | abrotman | Soskel: then ask another op |
| 22:08.22 | Tenkawa | I'm getting quite bad kernel panics |
| 22:08.29 | abrotman | !verseion |
| 22:08.30 | enouf | abrotman: that info is only avail to ops (and owners and whatnot), right? |
| 22:08.31 | abrotman | !version |
| 22:08.31 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 22:08.34 | abrotman | terron: ^^^^^^^ |
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| 22:08.43 | abrotman | enouf: what info? |
| 22:08.54 | enouf | the banlist stuff abrotman |
| 22:08.54 | Tenkawa | hopefully its not my new nas |
| 22:08.56 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 22:09.07 | abrotman | enouf: /mode #apache +b && /lastlog Sos |
| 22:09.13 | abrotman | and no .. that's not valid |
| 22:09.16 | enouf | o k |
| 22:09.30 | enouf | thanks |
| 22:10.14 | kyrie | enouf: Lots of data... lspci -nn reports on the first line: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 (thatÅ the dram controller) |
| 22:10.17 | terron | ah |
| 22:10.31 | enouf | kyrie: pastebin it |
| 22:10.46 | Tenkawa | heh ouch |
| 22:10.46 | Tenkawa | BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000010 |
| 22:10.47 | enouf | kyrie: i need to run soon too - just so you know |
| 22:10.49 | Tenkawa | printing eip: f959521c *pde = 00000000 |
| 22:10.52 | Tenkawa | Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP |
| 22:10.52 | Tenkawa | just doing a smbmount |
| 22:10.57 | Tenkawa | that sucks heheh |
| 22:11.00 | terron | well like i said, uname -r only shows the kernel version. i want the debian release name (lenny, etch, etc) |
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| 22:11.03 | abrotman | Tenkawa: run stable ? |
| 22:11.09 | Tenkawa | abrotman: nah.. thats no fun :) |
| 22:11.10 | vlatko | terron, try cat /proc/version |
| 22:11.13 | trifler | !livecd |
| 22:11.13 | dpkg | livecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 22:11.15 | Tenkawa | terron: /etc/issue |
| 22:11.17 | joltcan | terron: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:11.24 | terron | thanks |
| 22:11.25 | Tenkawa | or what joltcan said if its debian |
| 22:11.36 | joltcan | !version |
| 22:11.36 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 22:11.57 | Soskel | can I get some help in here though please? |
| 22:12.00 | kyrie | enouf: pastebin? |
| 22:12.01 | Tenkawa | hmm someone should add /etc/issue to that |
| 22:12.05 | enouf | it's at the top of dmesg too |
| 22:12.16 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 22:12.16 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 22:12.17 | kyrie | enouf: pastebin? |
| 22:12.17 | Tenkawa | enouf: only the kernel version is |
| 22:12.22 | kyrie | !pastebin |
| 22:12.25 | joltcan | Tenkawa: it is possible to edit /etc/issue, so I think the other ones are better |
| 22:12.29 | Tenkawa | joltcan: true |
| 22:12.37 | Tenkawa | but debian_version technically can be too |
| 22:12.44 | kyrie | oh. |
| 22:12.45 | kyrie | right :D |
| 22:12.57 | enouf | Linux version 2.6.16-2-686 (Debian 2.6.16-17) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060630 (prerelease) (Debi |
| 22:12.57 | enouf | an 4.0.3-4)) #1 Sat Jul 15 21:59:21 UTC 2006 |
| 22:13.07 | joltcan | Tenkawa: Yes, but then you have to blame yourself for being stupid :) |
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| 22:13.09 | Tenkawa | runs upstairs to reset his server |
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| 22:13.13 | enouf | an 4.0.3-4)) #1 Sat Jul 15 21:59:21 UTC 2006 |
| 22:13.13 | Tenkawa | joltcan: true enough |
| 22:13.20 | enouf | fuck me |
| 22:13.25 | robboplus | joltcan... the OS has actually ulimit -n = 8192... and still only 1024 are possible... so can that well be FD in source? |
| 22:13.28 | joltcan | Tenkawa: I read upset instead of reset :) |
| 22:13.28 | Tenkawa | enouf: that only yells you what machie the kernel itsef was compiled on |
| 22:13.31 | trifler | !oftc |
| 22:13.31 | dpkg | oftc is probably the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 22:13.38 | joltcan | robboplus: Yes, that sounds reasonable |
| 22:13.45 | enouf | Tenkawa: same as /proc/version |
| 22:13.52 | enouf | so ... you're wrong |
| 22:14.02 | Tenkawa | joltcan: yeah when that kernel panic happens it wont even reboot on its own.. gotta hit the button |
| 22:14.09 | Tenkawa | wrong about what? |
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| 22:14.34 | kyrie | enouf: http://deltha.uh.cu/~kyrie/lsmod.txt |
| 22:14.41 | kyrie | enouf: http://deltha.uh.cu/~kyrie/lspci.txt |
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| 22:14.46 | kyrie | enouf: http://deltha.uh.cu/~kyrie/dmesg.txt |
| 22:14.50 | kyrie | that? |
| 22:14.52 | Tenkawa | brb... switch hitting time |
| 22:14.55 | enouf | cat /etc/{*version*,*issue*,*release*} |
| 22:15.05 | enouf | works for almost every distro |
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| 22:16.44 | terron | looks like the /proc/versoin is out of date (showed etch instead of lenny after i upgraded). thanks for the tip |
| 22:17.09 | enouf | kyrie: why didn't you use a pastebin with better than 1 Kb/sec ? |
| 22:17.56 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.59 | kyrie | enouf: Sorry... my bandwidth is so slow, that it would have taken a loong time to learn how to use pastebin :D |
| 22:18.04 | Tenkawa | thats about it |
| 22:18.16 | joltcan | Tenkawa: or add kernel.panic = 60 to /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 22:18.17 | kyrie | enouf: and that one was just an scp away. Sorry :( |
| 22:18.26 | enouf | kyrie: one HDD and on CDRW ? |
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| 22:18.37 | kyrie | enouf: Yes. |
| 22:18.37 | Tenkawa | joltcan: good point |
| 22:18.47 | kyrie | enouf: Sata disk. |
| 22:18.58 | Tenkawa | but ths way I can try to debug the panic |
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| 22:20.14 | Soskel | is there a tutorial somewhere about setting up virtual hosts in apache2? I looked all over google |
| 22:20.49 | robboplus | joltcan so is it really that software can set it's own limit of FD so it wouldn't exhaust the system it's running on? is it a common practice? i'm a little confused |
| 22:21.07 | dondelelcaro | Soskel: there's the documentation at apache.org, but it's really pretty simple. |
| 22:21.33 | Soskel | the docs there don't talk about webmin |
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| 22:21.50 | \amethyst | you didn't mention webmin either |
| 22:22.00 | Soskel | ohh |
| 22:22.01 | Soskel | heh |
| 22:22.08 | joltcan | robboplus: For IRC servers? Yes |
| 22:22.29 | enouf | kyrie: use AHCI in the BIOS (also makes sure ACPI, and APIC are also enabled in BIOS) - remove any funky acpi=off and other kernel boot params, and make sure you have libata, and scsi_mod, (as you see they pull in pata_marvell,ahci,ata_generic and sr_mod,sg,sd_mod respectively |
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| 22:24.08 | kyrie | enouf: Ok, time to digg through the Bios... that's gonna take a while :D. Thanks. Libata and sci_mod are kernel modules? apt-get install them? |
| 22:24.09 | enouf | kyrie: you might on the off chance need to add one or more of those to /etc/modules - but you have to tell me when and where it stops booting , and what it says, exactly |
| 22:24.33 | enouf | kyrie: kernel modules, see lsmod output (lsmod == loaded modules) |
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| 22:24.57 | enouf | kyrie: they can be inserted using modprobe <modulename> |
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| 22:27.20 | enouf | your scsi6 and 7 are corresponding to your ata7.01: ATAPI: SONY CD-RW CRX230EE, 2YS8, max UDMA/33 and that's using .. yep pata_marvell, though that would likely manifest itself on the installer, not once the system is installed |
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| 22:28.28 | kyrie | enouf: gah, can't find acpi at the bios. |
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| 22:29.24 | jberg | i have a raid controller and two sata disks i want to install debian on with raid 1. can the debian installer handle this automatically or is there something i have to do? |
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| 22:29.36 | kyrie | enouf: Last two lines are: "ACPI: using IOAPIC for interrupt routing \n ACPI: PCI root bridge PCI0 (0000:00)" |
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| 22:32.46 | Soskel | ahh, I was banned do to a netsplit |
| 22:32.48 | enouf | kyrie: so you set it to AHCI in BIOS? you might not have an ACPI or APIC ooption in there - try using some of the params listed at that URL i gave you, like pci=routeirq, pci=nommconf , it all depends on which kernel you use too - you should stick with trying with the 32bit one IMHO |
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| 22:33.09 | enouf | kyrie: another param is just "lapci" |
| 22:33.12 | kyrie | enouf: booting with acpi=off loads the libata and scsi_mod modules, btw. |
| 22:33.25 | enouf | kyrie: a list here http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 22:33.45 | kyrie | enouf: thanks |
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| 22:33.51 | drwahl | is there a command to display what type of raid md0 is running? |
| 22:34.00 | kyrie | opening the params now. |
| 22:34.06 | kyrie | erm. Opening the url now. |
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| 22:34.23 | enouf | kyrie: well, maybe your initrd needs them for some un${DEITY} reason .. though it appears your ACPI DSDT tables are buggy too - go over your ALL your BIOS settings |
| 22:34.40 | robboplus | joltcan thank you very much for your time and patience - going to test with changed FD now :) |
| 22:34.41 | enouf | kyrie: i need to go for a while now - bbl |
| 22:34.51 | kyrie | thanks for your help, enouf. |
| 22:35.20 | joltcan | robboplus: I was just giving you some annyoing pointers, you take the credit yourself |
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| 22:43.23 | kyrie | eoufh, drwahl: booted with pci=nommconf, two cores detected... Thanks! (the bios update download hasn't finished yet). Now I have to add that option to grub2... let's see how it goes. |
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| 22:44.57 | drwahl | kyrie: keep us updated, it sounds like you are making progess anyway |
| 22:45.17 | kyrie | indeed. Thanks a lot! |
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| 22:51.00 | kyrie | Officially, I don't like grub2... but its working now! |
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| 22:56.25 | traumschule | impressive, i found a 6gb .xsession-error file |
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| 22:56.36 | drwahl | wow, cudos! |
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| 22:56.57 | nichos | Hi all, im having trouble with X. Every time i reboot the computer I need to run the installer again. My xorg.log is here: http://rafb.net/p/t0VVSl61.html |
| 22:56.59 | nichos | thanks:) |
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| 22:57.28 | nichos | sorry, I mean nvidia installer |
| 22:57.35 | traumschule | it was filled with seahorse errors. but my problem is, that after deletion of it still no space was free |
| 22:57.39 | drwahl | nichos: make sure you dont have multiple nvidia mdules installed |
| 22:58.16 | traumschule | i though rm imedeatly frees the space |
| 22:59.31 | drwahl | maybe it wasnt seahorse that filled the space. might it be something else/ |
| 22:59.34 | drwahl | ? |
| 23:00.21 | mbroeker | 52K .xsession-errors |
| 23:00.23 | traumschule | i read the file from the end i saw repeating error messages, just seahors nothing else |
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| 23:00.29 | mbroeker | 6 gb ??? traumschule wow |
| 23:01.38 | loXx | nichos: did you download the driver from nvidia- or debian-server? |
| 23:01.48 | nichos | loXx nvidia |
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| 23:02.21 | traumschule | i found one who had 42gb: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-newbie/58807-xsession-errors.html |
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| 23:02.48 | loXx | nichos: does the debian version not work for you? |
| 23:02.49 | nichos | I have a few nvidia.ko files, in different /lib/modules/xxxx/ dirs |
| 23:02.55 | traumschule | however i deleted the file, but still no space is free |
| 23:03.02 | nichos | loXx never tried it - is it by nvidia (i want the proprietary for gaming) |
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| 23:04.18 | jroes | any of the dev team hang here? |
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| 23:04.39 | loXx | nichos: i would delete all installed driver an reinstall the debian-driver with module-assistant |
| 23:04.49 | jroes | was going to ask madduck/martin krafft about his netconf idea for GSoC |
| 23:04.49 | traumschule | by the way some hours ago i had to xkill seahorse, so it obviously filled the file constantly. after killing the process now it takes 98% cpu |
| 23:05.03 | Yahooadam | Hey all, im trying to mount my HDD's by UUID in debian, but the swap partition doesnt have a UUID, how can i set one? |
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| 23:05.21 | drwahl | loXx: i'm not sure the debian driver will supply him with what he wants, unless dri is now a feature of the debian nvidia driver |
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| 23:05.58 | nichos | loXx to delete i just rm /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko ? |
| 23:06.30 | traumschule | arg, the file is deleted but the space isnt free! |
| 23:06.55 | loXx | nichos: i think so |
| 23:07.23 | nichos | thanks for the help! |
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| 23:08.24 | drwahl | please_answer: what file system are you running? what release of debian? how exactly did you remove the file? |
| 23:08.25 | please_answer | arg, the file is deleted but the space isnt free! |
| 23:08.43 | raxyx | a file deleted, but the space not freed? when I had such a problem in completely different context, fsck helped |
| 23:08.46 | drwahl | no need to spam your question over and over, everyone saw it the first time |
| 23:09.08 | loXx | Nielsen: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and read Section "Use module-assistant" |
| 23:09.23 | loXx | oh damn complete |
| 23:09.27 | drwahl | !nvidia |
| 23:09.27 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 23:09.37 | drwahl | ya, thats the right link :) gj |
| 23:09.39 | drwahl | rofl |
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| 23:09.46 | loXx | arg |
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| 23:10.15 | Tramp | please_answer: lsof | grep deleted. if possible, kill the process that keeps the file open |
| 23:10.16 | drwahl | all hail king abrotman! |
| 23:10.23 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:10.30 | please_answer | ext3 ; XFCE on Debian 2.6.22-4-686 ; rm .xsession-errors |
| 23:11.10 | themill | please_answer: changing your nick doesn't help as it makes it harder for me to see what your question was. |
| 23:11.26 | Yahooadam | when i run mkswap it sets a UUID, but when i check udevinfo, it doesnt show one - http://pastebin.com/d47e4076f |
| 23:11.26 | dlynes | Do the linux-source, linux-headers, and linux-kbuild packages all have to be installed in a specific order, or something? I'm having troubles getting zaptel drivers to compile on Debian Etch R3, even after doing a cp /boot/config-2.6.18.6-686 .config && make oldconfig && make mrproper && ln -s /usr/src/linux-kbuild-2.6.18/ /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build && ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/... |
| 23:11.28 | dlynes | .../lib/modules/`uname -r`/source |
| 23:11.31 | mbroeker | Yahooadam, http://rafb.net/p/qaiFpo64.html udevinfo --query=all --name=<hd!swap!> | grep uuid :) |
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| 23:11.33 | abrotman | where did he get -4- ? |
| 23:11.45 | please_answer | Tramp there are many lines like 'xfdesktop 10384 traumschule 2w REG 3,2 6413012992 913564 /home/traumschule/.xsession-errors (deleted)' |
| 23:12.08 | themill | please_answer: Anything that is keeping that file open is preventing the file from actually being deleted. In your case, you will probably need to log out from X to actually free the disk space. |
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| 23:12.15 | Tramp | please_answer: well, then xfdesktop keeps the file open and the space will not be freed |
| 23:12.16 | please_answer | themill ok, sorry |
| 23:12.54 | themill | abrotman: it's on bpo |
| 23:13.12 | Yahooadam | mbroeker - yeah, it shows the disk, but doesnt show a UUID |
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| 23:14.04 | Yahooadam | mbroeker - even though mkswap says it set one |
| 23:14.05 | please_answer | ok, and xfdesktop gets restarted if i log off .. ill give it a try. bye and thanks |
| 23:14.09 | mbroeker | Yahooadam, can you paste the content of the udev-output? |
| 23:14.18 | dlynes | Is that the correct procedure to set up a kernel for building drivers against it, under Debian? |
| 23:14.40 | Yahooadam | mbroeker, i did, in the pastebin link |
| 23:14.46 | Yahooadam | http://pastebin.com/d47e4076f |
| 23:14.48 | abrotman | dlynes: which driver? |
| 23:14.57 | cmatheson | does anyone know of something like drbd that syncs a block disk (or file system), but lets both nodes read/write at the same time? |
| 23:14.59 | dlynes | abrotman: zaptel 1.4.9.2 |
| 23:15.11 | abrotman | !info zaptel-source etch |
| 23:15.17 | dpkg | zaptel-source: (Zapata telephony interface (source code for kernel driver)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.11.dfsg-1 (etch), Packaged size: 902 kB, Installed size: 1064 kB |
| 23:15.25 | ProwL | dude |
| 23:15.28 | ProwL | abrotman is a machine. |
| 23:15.38 | ProwL | :P |
| 23:15.57 | dlynes | abrotman: as you can see, debian's latest package is a 1.2 driver |
| 23:16.07 | dlynes | abrotman: which is why I need to do it from source |
| 23:16.17 | abrotman | if you were willing to use that source .. you could use m-a |
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| 23:16.27 | dlynes | m-a? |
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| 23:16.45 | loXx | has someone ever encrypted cds/dvd with luks and got them recognized by hal? |
| 23:17.24 | abrotman | !tell dlynes about m-a |
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| 23:18.36 | dlynes | abrotman: and so I just run 'm-a prepare' in the zaptel make directory? |
| 23:19.06 | abrotman | dlynes: m-a prepare && m-a a-i zaptel |
| 23:19.13 | abrotman | if you want that 1.2.11 version |
| 23:19.32 | dlynes | oh |
| 23:19.47 | dlynes | But if I want 1.4.9.2, then I'm hosed? |
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| 23:21.23 | dlynes | abrotman: ah...nvm....after I did the m-a prepare, make is working in the zaptel-1.4.9.2 source directory |
| 23:21.31 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:21.38 | dlynes | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:21.42 | abrotman | yeah .. sorry .. didn't finish that thought :) |
| 23:22.53 | x03 | hallo |
| 23:23.07 | dlynes | abrotman: well, eventually I'll figure out Debian...for the most part, it's considerably easier than Slackware (once you figure out the idiosyncrasies of the build environments and the package manager) |
| 23:23.21 | abrotman | you know .. the core bits :) |
| 23:23.23 | dlynes | abrotman: I've only been using Debian for about 2 or 3 months now, though |
| 23:23.42 | x03 | slackware is alive yet? |
| 23:23.47 | x03 | :P |
| 23:23.59 | dlynes | x03: yeah...I still prefer slackware for my development machine |
| 23:24.10 | dlynes | x03: but for a server, I prefer Debian, hands down |
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| 23:24.39 | traumschule | thanks, it helped |
| 23:24.43 | x03 | dlynes: why as development? |
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| 23:26.21 | dlynes | x03: slackware has slightly older packages than even etch, so it's even more well tested, but the hardware support pretty much sucks :) |
| 23:27.19 | x03 | i used slack much time ago |
| 23:27.29 | x03 | but, the point is |
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| 23:27.45 | x03 | if we have good distros (debian) with good packages managers |
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| 23:27.58 | x03 | is useless use slack |
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| 23:29.12 | dlynes | x03: yeah...I just like the stability of slackware...I'm sure debian is just as stable...but i'm stubborn :) |
| 23:30.00 | x03 | cof |
| 23:30.50 | dlynes | x03: ? |
| 23:31.23 | dlynes | !define cof |
| 23:31.25 | DeathWolf | -!- Coefficient of friction, a measurement of slipperiness of plastic films and laminates. Measurements are usually done film surface to film ... |
| 23:31.28 | soczol | does anyone have/known of a script that monitors disk usage and sends an email when the disk is almost full? |
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| 23:31.35 | x03 | lol |
| 23:31.45 | dondelelcaro | soczol: nagios or similar will do that. |
| 23:31.57 | x03 | soczol: /bin/bash |
| 23:31.58 | dondelelcaro | (if that's all you wanted to do, you could also just write a simple cron job) |
| 23:32.01 | x03 | :P |
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| 23:39.45 | drwahl | when i try to open a .avi file with mplayer, all i get is a green screen with audio. any ideas? i think that my video device might be 'in use' but i have nothing open atm |
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| 23:40.34 | Tenkawa | !smbfs |
| 23:40.34 | dpkg | hmm... smbfs is the server message block file system. if you get errors like "smbfs: need mount version 6", you need to install smbfsx and purge smbfs. |
| 23:41.27 | Tenkawa | uggh |
| 23:41.43 | Tenkawa | wish cifs would stop panicing my kernel |
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| 23:42.29 | cafuego | Easy, stop using it. |
| 23:42.37 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
| 23:42.47 | Tenkawa | hard to connect to my nas without it |
| 23:42.48 | Xyhthyx | Anyone happen to know how to new line when writing a man page? |
| 23:42.51 | abrotman | or use stable instead of unstable |
| 23:42.55 | cafuego | Your NAS doesn't do NFS? |
| 23:43.17 | Tenkawa | abrotman: hehehe |
| 23:43.23 | Tenkawa | that'll never happen |
| 23:43.26 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 23:43.37 | Tenkawa | I'll recode the modules if I have to before I use stable |
| 23:43.48 | abrotman | Tenkawa: have you tried another smb server? |
| 23:43.55 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.57 | Tenkawa | abrotman: no.. thats next step |
| 23:44.03 | abrotman | first step ? |
| 23:44.05 | Tenkawa | cafuego: good point |
| 23:44.08 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: A Vista box in the basement |
| 23:44.17 | Tenkawa | cafuego: forgot to even try nfs |
| 23:44.20 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: dunno if that qualifies |
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| 23:44.22 | Tenkawa | heh.. it supports it |
| 23:44.29 | Tenkawa | just wasnt thinking |
| 23:44.35 | Tenkawa | sleepy tonight |
| 23:44.39 | abrotman | so what the heck did you actually try? |
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| 23:45.17 | Tenkawa | abrotman: nothing yet.. just got back |
| 23:45.34 | cafuego | needs a plumber who doesn't suck |
| 23:46.01 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: you want one who blows? |
| 23:46.10 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Also a big, fat no. |
| 23:46.58 | Tenkawa | damn cant even see straight |
| 23:46.59 | dondelelcaro | generally finds that purchasing the tools to do a plumbing job correctly costs about as much as hiring the plumber, and tools are better |
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| 23:47.10 | Tenkawa | I should really probably wait till tomorrow |
| 23:47.35 | itchi | Hi, i have a core 2, both are running at 1600. When i look at cpufreq-info there's a line that says: frequency should be within 1.60 GHz and 1.60 GHz. Heh, what happend? |
| 23:47.36 | jones_513 | in the /etc/exports file, can i use hostnames that are in /etc/hosts? |
| 23:47.52 | Tenkawa | ok.. guess this pos doesnt support nfs or afp.. damn |
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| 23:48.04 | itchi | It should be run at 1,8 normally, at least that's what /proc/cpuinfo say me |
| 23:48.12 | dondelelcaro | itchi: that just means that you've got --max set to 1.6 |
| 23:48.26 | dondelelcaro | itchi: use cpufreq-set to reset the maximum appropriately |
| 23:48.38 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Let me look :-) |
| 23:48.55 | itchi | It's just a default setup didn't yet touched the config of it |
| 23:49.10 | cafuego | jones_513: yes |
| 23:49.33 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Oh coool |
| 23:49.36 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I'm not prepared to install a new hot water service by myself. |
| 23:49.41 | itchi | Now the second cpu heh |
| 23:50.04 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah; it's not so hard to do coper pipe |
| 23:50.18 | dondelelcaro | (though learning how to do it properly does take a bit of time) |
| 23:50.23 | itchi | Coool, i like my box, fixed! :-) |
| 23:50.27 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Thanks mate! |
| 23:50.31 | dondelelcaro | itchi: np |
| 23:50.45 | cafuego | maybe, but it's in a shitty location and I think I'd rather pay someone to be that uncomfortable than do it myself - especially in this heat. |
| 23:50.55 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 23:51.03 | jones_513 | cafuego, thanks, another question, does anyone know if there is a certain set of permissions that needs to be set for nfs? i keep getting permission denied on the client, i had it working for a little while last night but after i rebooted everything it wont work |
| 23:51.29 | cafuego | jones_513: The server log would tell you about permission problems |
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| 23:51.53 | cafuego | jones_513: Are you trying to do stuff as root on a mounted nfs partition? |
| 23:52.02 | cafuego | jones_513: Then you'll need to set no_root_squash |
| 23:52.36 | sworoc | i'm looking for a google summer of code mentor to discuss the projects with, i would like to be a student in the program |
| 23:52.46 | pinbold | Hello there I have a printer problem. |
| 23:53.15 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Will the settings be keep after a reboot? |
| 23:53.18 | pinbold | Does anyone know if there's a how to for getting the HP f380 printer to work with Debian Etch? I have had it working with Ubuntu and Fedora but I just can't seem to make it work with Etch and it's frustrating me now. |
| 23:53.39 | cafuego | come on weather, only 20km to go... |
| 23:53.40 | jones_513 | cafuego, i have to mount it as root on the client, but after i mount it, i just use the desktop to move stuff around, i have checked syslog and it doesnt say anything about permission problems, just that its an unknown host thats connecting |
| 23:54.13 | cafuego | jones_513: Ok, does that problem go awya if you use an IP in the exports file? |
| 23:54.33 | enouf | kyrie: congratulations, way to go! ;-) |
| 23:54.48 | jones_513 | cafuego, no |
| 23:55.12 | cafuego | jones_513: Do the user IDs perhaps not match? |
| 23:55.23 | kyrie | enouf: thanks, enouf. I wouldn't have done it without your help (and dwarhl's) |
| 23:55.31 | enouf | kyrie: is that the 64bit .24.1-amd-64 kernel? or the .22? cat /proc/version will tell us (so would uname -a) |
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| 23:55.37 | dondelelcaro | itchi: generally, but if not, you could easily tweak them in rc.local |
| 23:55.49 | kyrie | enouf: the 64 bit-amd |
| 23:55.54 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Well, i will reboot, i will see, i just hate to reboot :-p |
| 23:55.55 | jones_513 | cafuego, hmmm.. the user names are the same, never thought about the ids |
| 23:55.59 | itchi | brb guys! |
| 23:56.03 | kyrie | enouf: 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 23:56.14 | cafuego | jones_513: the names are irrelevant, the server only uses the numeric IDs |
| 23:56.21 | kyrie | I didn't try the .22 32 bits... do you want me to try? |
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| 23:56.27 | cafuego | jones_513: ... unless you use the userspace nfs server and install ugidd |
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| 23:57.58 | thorat | I have a Zyxel router and three machines connected to it: two on LAN (Debian and Windows), and one on Wi-Fi (MacBook). I can get to the Linux box from the Windows box using WinSCP, but the MacBook can't even ping the Debian box. I get "host is down" for ping and "timeout" for ssh. The MacBook can still ping the router and surf the web. Can you help me diagnose the problem? |
| 23:58.10 | enouf | kyrie: ok thanks - if you walked through the entire earlier url i posted http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2623-etch.htm and read all that - it does mention the pci=nommconf options working for some - but that's cool .. maybe someday try other kernels ;-) note, that each you time you boot a diff one, your dmesg, lsmod, (and to a lesser degree "lspci -nn" will all be different slightly |
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| 23:58.44 | enouf | kyrie: when you can only, no hurry |
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| 23:59.20 | enouf | kyrie: i was going to suggest you report a bug, but it would seem it's a known issue .. hrm .. /me checks BTS |
| 23:59.36 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Well, it keep powersave and still at 1,6GHz :-( |
| 23:59.51 | Tenkawa | definitely my kernel |
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| 23:59.58 | Tenkawa | 2.6.22 works fine |
