| 00:00.00 | Tenkawa | bummer |
| 00:00.08 | kyrie | enouf: I've done my share of reading lspci, dmseg and lsmod. I've never really understood them fully, though :D |
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| 00:00.46 | kyrie | enouf: Well, I can install the debian bug report tool if necesary :D. Whatever it takes to help debian. |
| 00:00.49 | enouf | kyrie: it takes a while, yes ;-) |
| 00:00.51 | Supaplex | broke about 38 things in debain http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=submitter&data=debian%40foss.daxal.com&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable |
| 00:00.53 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Or will it be better to set a cron job @reboot and set it manually? |
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| 00:01.31 | kyrie | enouf: Ok, the workaround also worked for .22 i386 |
| 00:01.40 | enouf | kyrie: very very nice, thanks - i'm going to ask now if it's necessary, in the meantime, maybe boot the other kernel? save the logs to file so we have them if successful |
| 00:01.53 | enouf | kyrie: wow - thanks - good work! |
| 00:02.15 | enouf | kyrie: need exact versions with that stuff though ;-) |
| 00:02.18 | kyrie | enouf: Allright. I'll post the logs somewhere... just in case |
| 00:02.29 | enouf | kyrie: ok |
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| 00:02.49 | kyrie | enouf: do you mind if I upload them to that same 1kb/sec site? >:) |
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| 00:04.48 | jones_513 | cafuego, so if userids are the same, the /etc/exports uses ips, would permissions be a problem? |
| 00:04.52 | enouf | kyrie: not at all |
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| 00:05.11 | cafuego | jones_513: if the mount succeeeds, /etc/exports is fine. |
| 00:05.47 | jones_513 | cafuego, but it does not, still permission denied |
| 00:06.29 | cafuego | jones_513: what is the command you're trying to run? |
| 00:07.42 | jones_513 | cafuego, sudo mount storage:/username/home ~/Desktop/NFS |
| 00:08.15 | cafuego | jones_513: That is failing with 'permission denied' on the client? |
| 00:08.47 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 00:09.07 | jones_513 | cafuego, yup |
| 00:09.08 | mick_home | i'm having some networking issues -- and i have no idea how to track them down |
| 00:09.19 | cafuego | jones_513: And what does the server say about it? |
| 00:09.30 | mick_home | i'm getting between 25-50% packetloss (sometimes even more) |
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| 00:10.18 | kyrie | enouf: They are all at http://deltha.uh.cu/~kyrie There are three folders... ubuntu-gutsy-live, and the two debian kernels, with the dmesg, lspci and lsmod (and the uname -a in the case of the debians) |
| 00:10.44 | enouf | kyrie: excellent work, thank you |
| 00:10.57 | kyrie | enouf: well, thank you too :D |
| 00:11.01 | enouf | :-P |
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| 00:11.08 | enouf | my pleasure kyrie |
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| 00:11.45 | mick_home | also when i ssh into my debian sparc64 -- the connection is damn slow |
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| 00:11.49 | mick_home | on the same network |
| 00:12.25 | cafuego | has never seen a fast sparc |
| 00:12.38 | mick_home | last time i tried anything (installing bison) -- it worked very slowly |
| 00:12.47 | mick_home | 94% [4 bison 403260/428kB 94%] <--- the connection then dies |
| 00:12.58 | mick_home | cafuego: the ones that i have are :-P |
| 00:13.04 | jones_513 | cafuego, its says its not exported in /var/log/syslog, but in /etc/exports there is /home/username 192.168.1.126(rw,sync) |
| 00:13.22 | cafuego | mick_home: anything about errors in ifconfig? |
| 00:13.35 | cafuego | jones_513: Did you restart the nfs server after editing the exports file? |
| 00:14.08 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I created /usr/local/sbin/set_cpu_speed.sh with the following: http://pastebin.ca/946859 and have set a root's cron job: @reboot /usr/local/sbin/set_cpu_speed.sh Works like expected now |
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| 00:14.57 | itchi | I just wonder why it not been set correctly with the /etc/cpufreqd.conf |
| 00:14.58 | jones_513 | cafuego, resterted the whole computer, does there have to be a certian chmod set to it? |
| 00:15.04 | cafuego | jones_513: Nope |
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| 00:15.35 | twobitsprite | howdy |
| 00:15.57 | itchi | jones_513: Did you exportfs -a ? |
| 00:16.05 | twobitsprite | so, I'm shopping for a new motherboard... this time I plan to be picky, but I don't know anything about northbridges... what chipset do you all recommend? |
| 00:16.16 | jones_513 | itchi, no, is that on the server on client? |
| 00:16.25 | cafuego | twobitsprite: One step back. What CPU are you after? |
| 00:16.29 | dondelelcaro | mick_home: if I didn't know how odd the sparc kernels are, I'd strongly suspect wiring or switch issues |
| 00:16.34 | itchi | jones_513: Server side. Note that i missed some stuff here, i rebooted 3 times to setup my stuff |
| 00:16.50 | jones_513 | itchi, its worth a try? |
| 00:17.01 | itchi | jones_513: Don't do anythings bad anyway |
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| 00:17.12 | cafuego | jones_513: make sure nfs-kernel-server nfs-common and portmap are installed. |
| 00:17.26 | cafuego | portmap and nfs-common also need to be on the client |
| 00:17.27 | Yahooadam | is there a way to lets mdadm (or whatever is actually controlling my RAID5 array) use the full 4gb ram i have for it? |
| 00:17.37 | icesword | is there a channel support for sid |
| 00:17.49 | cafuego | Yahooadam: Why would you want an admin tool to use 4GB of ram? |
| 00:18.17 | itchi | jones_513: I meaned that i didn't follow your whole story, i'm setting up cpu scalling, that's why i rebooted 3 times. To make my nonsenses clear |
| 00:18.24 | cafuego | Yahooadam: if you mean use ram as cache, the kernel is doing that already. |
| 00:18.56 | itchi | Yahooadam: Do you mean swap? |
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| 00:19.58 | icesword | is there a channel support for sid |
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| 00:20.21 | itchi | icesword: You shouldn't ask that or use sid |
| 00:20.33 | dondelelcaro | icesword: generally if you need serious support for sid, you shouldn't need support, but you can ask questions here. |
| 00:20.42 | icesword | i only use it as a test |
| 00:20.49 | dondelelcaro | s/need support/be using sid/ |
| 00:20.58 | cafuego | Just keep in mind the answer might be "if you need to ask that you shouldn't use sid" |
| 00:21.19 | Yahooadam | cafuego - ahh ok, so i dont need to do anything to get linux to use teh 4gb ram to increase the raid5 performance? |
| 00:21.34 | cafuego | Yahooadam: nope |
| 00:21.43 | Yahooadam | that makes life easy |
| 00:21.46 | itchi | Yahooadam: Check with htop |
| 00:22.27 | cafuego | htop? wtf? |
| 00:22.31 | cafuego | `free' people. |
| 00:22.31 | itchi | Not that htop is ideal for that, but show a little graph |
| 00:22.46 | itchi | cafuego: (h)top |
| 00:22.51 | itchi | cafuego: Nice toy btw |
| 00:23.08 | cafuego | itchi: free shows mem/buffer/cache info |
| 00:23.39 | itchi | cafuego: Yup, less people know about that great toy, that was an excuse to give the htop into :-p |
| 00:23.58 | Yahooadam | htop is very nice |
| 00:23.59 | itchi | cafuego: Do you know about htop? |
| 00:24.06 | cafuego | itchi: yes. |
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| 00:24.40 | cafuego | has cacti to make pretty graphs and uses 'free' for the cmdline |
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| 00:25.04 | hughw | hi all. How can I convert a .pst file to maildir or mbox if I don't have access to Outlook? |
| 00:25.05 | itchi | cacti is nice also |
| 00:25.25 | cafuego | hughw: outlook express |
| 00:25.33 | hughw | cafuego, ahh, thanks. |
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| 00:25.39 | cafuego | hughw: OR... |
| 00:25.43 | hughw | :) |
| 00:25.49 | cafuego | hughw: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ol2mbox |
| 00:25.55 | hughw | I wait in anticipa.... |
| 00:25.56 | cafuego | Note, i dunno how mature that thing is. |
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| 00:26.02 | hughw | tion! ;) |
| 00:26.30 | fr33k | how do I add / insert a timestamp (date & time) in GNU-nano (editor) |
| 00:26.49 | cafuego | If not, use outlook express and then thunderbird |
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| 00:26.59 | hughw | thanks a stack! |
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| 00:41.16 | fr33k | text / log - file .. open with nano (editor) .. timestamp on first line (add / insert) with a simple command or keybind? .. can't find it in man or on google .. must be simple .. but .. maybe I'me stupid or blind ? |
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| 00:49.11 | kevind23 | I'm having some trouble with ndiswrapper, modinfo reports that there is no such module and I don't know how to make it one |
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| 00:49.34 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 00:49.34 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 00:51.57 | icesword | abrotman, good evening |
| 00:52.41 | kevind23 | abrotman: those available off the first CD? I don't have any form of networking on the box I'm trying to install it on |
| 00:53.23 | abrotman | kevind23: no they aren't |
| 00:53.39 | kevind23 | -_-" |
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| 00:53.54 | icesword | abrotman, is it evening there,i thought you are in Germany |
| 00:54.20 | kevind23 | I pulled the ndiswrapper-common, ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 packages off the packages server and put them on a CD to install |
| 00:54.25 | twobitsprite | how do I find out how much video ram I have? |
| 00:54.33 | abrotman | the X log is one place |
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| 00:56.23 | icesword | lshw? |
| 00:56.28 | fr33k | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.31 | fr33k | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.34 | fr33k | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.37 | fr33k | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.48 | fr33k | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.51 | abrotman | fr33k: STOP |
| 00:56.54 | cafuego | twobitsprite: grep Memory /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:57.11 | fr33k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:57.27 | fr33k | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.29 | cafuego | fr33k: The former, I think. |
| 00:57.31 | abrotman | fr33k: please stop repeating |
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| 00:57.55 | kevind23 | thankfully abortman it was a multisession disc so I will put source package on it as well ;) |
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| 00:58.07 | fr33k | oops ..sorry |
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| 00:58.31 | twobitsprite | cafuego, thanks |
| 00:58.33 | cafuego | COOL CHANGE!!! |
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| 01:02.03 | icesword | abrotman, why i cannot run compiz in debian? |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | why do you insist on asking me? |
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| 01:03.20 | fr33k | abrotman: sorry for the mess I made .. but .. is there an answer tho my question - timestamp in a nano-(log/diary)text-file? |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | try a nano channel? |
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| 01:03.39 | kevind23 | icesword: are you using shame's repo? you should ;) |
| 01:04.01 | icesword | i use vmware |
| 01:04.48 | fr33k | abrotmen: there's no #nano |
| 01:05.02 | xsdg | abrotman: why am I always tempted to procrastinate on school work? |
| 01:05.10 | cafuego | fr33k: nano is a very basic editor, i don't think it has that facility. |
| 01:05.13 | abrotman | xsdg: because you want to stay in school :) |
| 01:05.28 | cafuego | fr33k: If you need more advanced features, you'll need to try a more advanced editor methinks. |
| 01:05.41 | kevind23 | don't be hatin on nano |
| 01:06.13 | cafuego | raises an eyebrow at kevind23 |
| 01:06.29 | themill | fr33k: ^R ^X date |
| 01:06.34 | cafuego | if you love it so much, why not tell fr33k what he needs to know? why not marry it and have its babies? |
| 01:06.57 | icesword | abrotman, i see,you have answered me.why don't you answer me,am i or have i been annoying you? |
| 01:07.07 | abrotman | i asked you a question |
| 01:07.20 | cafuego | icesword: compiz on debian in vmware isn't going to work. |
| 01:07.29 | icesword | coz you don't answer me.:( |
| 01:08.12 | icesword | :( |
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| 01:08.26 | icesword | 3d 3d!!! |
| 01:08.47 | cafuego | Install debian on the hardware, not in a vm. |
| 01:09.05 | icesword | ok.boss doesn't allow me to do it |
| 01:09.10 | cafuego | shrugs |
| 01:09.18 | cafuego | no compiz for you then |
| 01:09.23 | cafuego | be glad, it sucks |
| 01:09.38 | icesword | so what isn;t sucks |
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| 01:11.28 | herbi | hey guys |
| 01:11.30 | simonrvn | english? |
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| 01:11.57 | herbi | i recently did a apt-get upgrade on my debian unstable box. i fired up xchat as usual, did my /server irc.mozilla.org +6697 (+ signifies ssl connection port) |
| 01:12.04 | herbi | --- Looking up irc.mozilla.org.. |
| 01:12.04 | herbi | --- Connecting to irc.mozilla.org (63.245.208.159) port 6697.. |
| 01:12.04 | herbi | --- Connection failed. Error: (336151568) error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure |
| 01:12.06 | cafuego | jan hammer is a genius |
| 01:12.39 | herbi | i looked it up on google, seems like a bug or 'bug thats a feature' for openssl. any way i can ...dunno if ieven wanna do this? downgrade openssl or something to get rid of this error |
| 01:12.59 | cafuego | You could use irc over non-ssl |
| 01:13.06 | Soskel | I can pay someone $5 paypal to help me with my virtual host problem |
| 01:13.06 | cafuego | or see if the certificate is up to date |
| 01:13.22 | cafuego | eyes Soskel |
| 01:13.28 | Soskel | hi |
| 01:13.31 | herbi | cafuego, i am using irc over ssl for some testing stuff, needs to happen |
| 01:13.38 | Soskel | cafuego: can you help me? |
| 01:13.40 | cafuego | My rates are $165 per hour or part thereof. |
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| 01:13.53 | cafuego | Or if you just ask your question, someone might help for free. |
| 01:13.55 | herbi | i dont think the error is cert up to date. let me grab that bugzilla link |
| 01:13.57 | icesword | ohhhhhhhhh |
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| 01:14.18 | Soskel | I need a virtual host generator |
| 01:14.33 | herbi | http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.openssl.dev/browse_thread/thread/1c61a1c6cb5139c4/7811b5a6e7e94f05 |
| 01:14.33 | cafuego | as in for apache? |
| 01:14.37 | Soskel | like, you type in your domain name, and doc root, and it'll create a chost file for you |
| 01:14.39 | Soskel | apache2 |
| 01:14.57 | cafuego | Soskel: There's a much easier way, which mod-vhost-alias. |
| 01:15.09 | Soskel | ??? |
| 01:15.23 | cafuego | Soskel: All that needs is a single config file and if a directory with the same name as the host exists, it'll serve files. |
| 01:15.43 | cafuego | So to add a vhost, all you do is create a directory |
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| 01:15.51 | Soskel | WOW |
| 01:15.54 | Soskel | heh, thanks! |
| 01:15.58 | Soskel | you saved me $5 |
| 01:15.59 | cafuego | http://gentoo-wiki.com/Apache_Modules_mod_vhost_alias |
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| 01:16.08 | xiambax | Hello, I just installed debian for the first time and for some reason my display is set to a low 640 rez |
| 01:16.12 | xiambax | how can i change it? |
| 01:16.29 | xiambax | i tryed using the default tools available via gnome but nothing offered any other choices |
| 01:16.31 | icesword | cafuego, may i ask what do you do? |
| 01:16.42 | cafuego | icesword: Yes, you may. |
| 01:17.06 | icesword | cafuego, so what is your work? |
| 01:17.25 | cafuego | icesword: web app development, hosting, sysadmin, consulting and meeting facilitation |
| 01:17.54 | Soskel | cafuego: do you have that, but for debian? |
| 01:18.07 | Soskel | the wiki article |
| 01:18.10 | cafuego | Soskel: The cfg is the same, just run 'a2enmod vhost_alias' to enable it. |
| 01:18.16 | icesword | er,engineer |
| 01:18.37 | cafuego | is not an engineer |
| 01:18.46 | Soskel | thank you so much cafuego |
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| 01:19.01 | Soskel | all I do is create a dir named http://example.com, and it'll work? |
| 01:19.03 | cafuego | where I'm from, you need to deserve that title by graduarting an engineers degree at a university |
| 01:19.28 | cafuego | Soskel: No, say your VirtualDocumentRoot is /var/www/%0.0/htdocs |
| 01:19.42 | cafuego | then you create /var/www/example.com/htdocs |
| 01:19.52 | Soskel | ahh |
| 01:19.57 | Soskel | where is the config file for this? |
| 01:19.59 | cafuego | and make sure example.com resolves to the web server's IP of course |
| 01:20.06 | Soskel | right |
| 01:20.07 | icesword | Soskel, why not see *.conf |
| 01:20.08 | ^A^kira | i'm trying to enable my wi-fi on laptop and when i typing ifconfig eth2 up the laptop just stucks.... any ideas? |
| 01:20.12 | cafuego | Soskel: Just crrate it in /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 01:20.45 | fr33k | themill - fr33k: ^R ^X date .. hmm .. timestamp on the end .. will do .. but like it on the beginning / on top .. is there a way ? |
| 01:20.56 | abrotman | he went to sleep |
| 01:20.58 | cafuego | Soskel: I tend to create 'www.domain.com' as the main site dir and then make a 'domain.com' symlink to it, so both work. |
| 01:20.58 | ^A^kira | and the second thing is -> knetworkmanager doesn't manage my connections.... |
| 01:21.12 | Soskel | symlink? |
| 01:21.23 | cafuego | raises an eyebrow at Soskel |
| 01:21.40 | cafuego | 'ma ln' |
| 01:21.43 | cafuego | 'man ln' even |
| 01:21.57 | cafuego | Like a shortcut on windows, but not. |
| 01:22.41 | xiambax | how do i configure x in debian? |
| 01:22.44 | ^A^kira | help any1? |
| 01:22.57 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 01:22.57 | dpkg | hmm... xcfg is on Sarge, run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'. On Etch, run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. |
| 01:23.05 | Soskel | cafuego: crrate? |
| 01:23.07 | Soskel | hmm? |
| 01:23.10 | cafuego | create |
| 01:23.11 | herbi | any help on my problem? :( |
| 01:23.14 | Soskel | ahh |
| 01:23.22 | Soskel | what do I create? a config> |
| 01:23.22 | krux0 | xiambax, X --configure |
| 01:23.35 | cafuego | krux0: not so much |
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| 01:24.56 | krux0 | then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf if needed or just try and fire up X and sees if it works with your desktop environment |
| 01:25.31 | fr33k | How do I get a timestamp at the first line opening a nano textfile .. . |
| 01:25.33 | Soskel | icesword: what's the *.config? |
| 01:25.46 | Soskel | where do I see it? |
| 01:25.55 | icesword | like /apache/conf/*.conf |
| 01:26.07 | Soskel | ahh |
| 01:26.13 | Soskel | what's the exact path? |
| 01:26.18 | cafuego | fr33k: You go to the first tine and run ^R ^X date |
| 01:26.42 | cafuego | Soskel: You put the config in any file in /etc/apache2/conf.d |
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| 01:26.53 | cafuego | Just create a file there, say called 'vhost.conf' |
| 01:27.10 | cafuego | Soskel: not iceswords imaginary path |
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| 01:27.23 | lufthanza | hello |
| 01:27.28 | fr33k | cafuego: Yes .. got it .. thanx |
| 01:27.30 | ^A^kira | i'm trying to enable my wi-fi on laptop and when i typing ifconfig eth2 up the laptop just stucks.... any ideas? |
| 01:27.31 | icesword | no,it is general or common |
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| 01:27.47 | Soskel | so what should I add to etc/apache2/vhost.config ? cafuego |
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| 01:28.16 | xiambax | Thanks for the dpkg-reconfigure trick |
| 01:28.16 | dpkg | no problem, xiambax |
| 01:28.18 | xiambax | it worked great |
| 01:28.34 | Soskel | cafuego: what's your pp address? |
| 01:28.36 | xiambax | i decided going to debian after doing the mandriva think for 6 years |
| 01:28.45 | Soskel | *paypal |
| 01:28.51 | cafuego | xiambax: It's not so much a trick as the correct way of doing it <heh> |
| 01:29.05 | xiambax | fair enough |
| 01:29.11 | cafuego | Soskel: if you feel the need to part with cash, donate it to a good cause or something |
| 01:29.26 | Soskel | :D |
| 01:29.43 | WormFood | Good morning people. Does anyone know why my time would be off by 12 hours? I'm running ntpd and my time zone is set properly. I stop ntpd and run ntpdate and it is back to normal...it does not make sense to me. |
| 01:29.50 | cafuego | i'm sure debian takes donations |
| 01:30.05 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 01:30.05 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 01:30.32 | WormFood | abrotman, my time zone is set properly |
| 01:30.39 | abrotman | see the last bit |
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| 01:31.23 | Soskel | what should I add to etc/apache2/vhost.config ? cafuego |
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| 01:33.05 | Soskel | cafuego: ?? |
| 01:33.23 | cafuego | Soskel: http://pastebin.com/d751cca5e |
| 01:33.34 | cafuego | Soskel: that's mine, sites live in /srv/www/<site name>/html |
| 01:33.46 | Soskel | ahh |
| 01:33.47 | Soskel | awesome |
| 01:33.49 | Soskel | thanks! |
| 01:34.03 | cafuego | You'll want to change the IP too i imagine |
| 01:34.05 | Soskel | so all I need to edit is the server name? and doc root is optional to change |
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| 01:35.24 | Soskel | cafuego: and if I wanted two or three of them, I... |
| 01:35.42 | WormFood | abrotman, yeah, I tried all that stuff, but I suspect next time I upgrade it will break again...everything was set properly to start with |
| 01:35.44 | cafuego | Soskel: You just make more directories in /srv/www - you don't need to touch the config file to add hosts |
| 01:36.08 | Soskel | can you pastebin those "touches" ? :D |
| 01:36.11 | ^A^kira | i'm trying to enable my wi-fi on laptop and when i typing ifconfig eth2 up the laptop just stucks.... any ideas? |
| 01:36.16 | abrotman | WormFood: what does hwclock return ? |
| 01:36.24 | cafuego | note the "don't" bit |
| 01:37.04 | WormFood | abrotman, it reports the correct (local) time (local because I dual boot this machine with winblows) |
| 01:37.28 | abrotman | WormFood: and your /etc/default/rcS UTC value is ? |
| 01:37.33 | Soskel | ohhh hah |
| 01:37.42 | Soskel | thanks aton |
| 01:37.51 | WormFood | abrotman, there is no /etc/default/rcS (I'm running sid, if that matters) |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | uh .. i have lenny .. i'd guess that file should be there either way |
| 01:38.08 | abrotman | (i have that file) |
| 01:38.08 | WormFood | oops, I'm sorry, it is there, I just overlooked it |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | and the value is? |
| 01:38.44 | WormFood | it says utc=no |
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| 01:40.16 | abrotman | WormFood: ntpdate pool.ntp.org returns ? |
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| 01:40.44 | lufthanza_ | anyone? Sorry, my wireless messed up |
| 01:40.55 | WormFood | abrotman, it returns the correct time |
| 01:41.09 | abrotman | it does what? |
| 01:41.12 | nichos | Hi all, my xorg is crashing on my nvidia/twinview setup when it does anything with glx. Here is the log: http://rafb.net/p/yoo9H710.html |
| 01:41.15 | abrotman | it should show an offset IIRC |
| 01:41.17 | nichos | any ideas would be appreciated:) |
| 01:41.21 | lufthanza_ | i am trying to install debian etch net install on a powermac G3 B&W, and when it gets to setting up libc6, it freezes |
| 01:41.26 | lufthanza_ | or more exactly, it outputs, "would you like to upgrade glibc now" to the command line and waits for my response it seems. How can I fix this? (or does libc6 take a lot of time to set up and I'm just being impatient?) |
| 01:41.29 | lufthanza_ | note that this computer has a 450 mhz processor |
| 01:41.40 | abrotman | fastest typer .. ever |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | WormFood: ntpdate -B pool.ntp.org ? |
| 01:42.07 | cafuego | lufthanza_: if it's busy, just open a console (alt-F2) and check |
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| 01:42.12 | WormFood | when I stop ntpd and run ntpdate I get --> offset 43197.563663 sec, then everything is good again |
| 01:42.25 | lufthanza_ | cafuego: that's where I got the info from |
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| 01:42.51 | magyar | need postfix help, how can i allow a certain server sending mail as my domain "mydomain.com" ? |
| 01:42.59 | WormFood | abrotman, it is right on time...offset by 0.00something seconds |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | so how is it wrong ? |
| 01:43.17 | cafuego | lufthanza_: F3 then ... one of them will give you a shell |
| 01:43.19 | abrotman | WormFood: but every time you boot it is wrong? |
| 01:43.28 | WormFood | no, not every time |
| 01:43.39 | WormFood | just after an upgrade it seems to make it go wrong |
| 01:43.45 | WormFood | last night it was right |
| 01:43.53 | WormFood | but this morning it was wrong |
| 01:44.06 | WormFood | at least, I'm 99% sure it was right last night, I may have overlooked the am/pm |
| 01:45.20 | lufthanza_ | cafuego: how would i check on apt's status mid install? |
| 01:45.26 | WormFood | oh yeah...and another thing...this is a laptop, and I don't usually go through the normal shutdown procedure, I usually just suspend it to disk |
| 01:46.01 | WormFood | which ALWAYS breaks esd too...I have to manually restart esd to get sound to work after coming back from hibernate mode |
| 01:46.09 | abrotman | WormFood: you're making it hard to fix ;) |
| 01:46.13 | xiambax | compiler cannot create executables |
| 01:46.14 | xiambax | wtf |
| 01:46.19 | abrotman | !b-e xiambax |
| 01:46.20 | dpkg | xiambax: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 01:46.37 | xiambax | on it |
| 01:46.43 | WormFood | last two times I booted, I ran the battery dead, so it never got to go through any hibernate/shutdown procedure |
| 01:47.26 | WormFood | anyways, thanks for your help abrotman, I'll pay more attention in the future, and see if I can figure out what is going on with it....but this is multiple times that it is off by exactly 12 hours, so I think I can reproduce the problem |
| 01:47.32 | abrotman | WormFood: hehe .. darn battery! |
| 01:47.34 | cafuego | lufthanza_: via a shell on a different tty |
| 01:47.45 | abrotman | WormFood: are you in a timezone +12 from UTC ? |
| 01:47.53 | lufthanza_ | cafuego: what command |
| 01:47.56 | WormFood | no, I'm +8 |
| 01:48.08 | lufthanza_ | cafuego: alt+f4 already shows output from apt |
| 01:48.17 | WormFood | it is 9:48 am here ;) |
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| 01:48.29 | cafuego | lufthanza_: but it doesn't show you process info; say via ps or top |
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| 01:48.52 | abrotman | WormFood: i'd do some testing with suspend .. see if that's doing it |
| 01:49.07 | abrotman | WormFood: though i've seen other people complaining about time issues lately |
| 01:49.18 | lufthanza_ | cafuego: i dunno why top would help. I'm certain apt is still running, I'm just not certain if it is waiting for input from me |
| 01:49.20 | WormFood | wonders if it is a problem with sid |
| 01:49.36 | cafuego | lufthanza_: If it's unpcking it'll be using a bunch of CPU, if it's waiting it won't. |
| 01:49.56 | cafuego | If it's still sitting there I imagine it's waiting, though. |
| 01:50.10 | WormFood | I have had to fix several problems with sid....new kernels booting very slow, problems with airo wireless kernel module (both related) |
| 01:50.20 | lufthanza_ | cafuego: and how would I give apt input in the case it is waiting for it? |
| 01:50.38 | WormFood | I haven't even been able to hibernate to disk with the new kerenel until I fixed the one module problem (that caused multiple problems) |
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| 01:51.04 | cafuego | lufthanza_: Just hit return and see what happens |
| 01:51.16 | cafuego | If nothing, hit tab and then return |
| 01:51.16 | icesword | just forget about hibernate,it cannot |
| 01:51.18 | WormFood | I commonly get gnome lockup problems, if I enable sound, related to esd not starting, like it should |
| 01:51.44 | WormFood | icesword, it hibernates now, after removing the offending modules (padlock) |
| 01:51.46 | lufthanza_ | cafuego: k |
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| 01:52.02 | icesword | i don't care this function |
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| 01:52.42 | cafuego | lunch |
| 01:52.48 | WormFood | I do care, because I want hibernate to work :P |
| 01:53.31 | Soskel | cafuego: so the docs would go in /var/www/www.example.com(or is example.net fine also?)/html ? |
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| 02:04.21 | xiambax | xtest library. whats teh package name? |
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| 02:04.57 | abrotman | what are you compiling? |
| 02:05.40 | xiambax | synergy |
| 02:05.48 | zeeble | hi. does anyone have suggestions for a good font to use in the terminal running in X, with a black bg for the terminal |
| 02:06.41 | icesword | !compile |
| 02:06.41 | dpkg | tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg |
| 02:06.56 | abrotman | synergy is in debian |
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| 02:07.59 | WormFood | zeeble, a black background has nothing to do with the font, you want to set your foreground and background colors the way you want. |
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| 02:08.24 | PhrkOnLsh | Hi folks, for some reason my apt has been really acting up lately; whenever I try to install anything it tries to install a kernel with the same version I am running |
| 02:08.37 | PhrkOnLsh | This isn't a problem in itself, but the kernel installer hangs |
| 02:08.46 | zeeble | WormFood: well, i am looking for a font that looks easy on a lcd... with anti aliasing turned on |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: that's a security update |
| 02:09.02 | PhrkOnLsh | is there any reason it should hang when I update? |
| 02:09.15 | PhrkOnLsh | I can't install/update/upgrade anything as it is. |
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| 02:09.49 | PhrkOnLsh | and it's broken my alsa |
| 02:10.20 | WormFood | zeeble, I just use the "use the system fixed width font" option in gnome terminal, and it looks good to me on my laptop |
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| 02:10.31 | WormFood | now on my desktop I use a different font. |
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| 02:11.01 | zeeble | WormFood: ok |
| 02:12.21 | PhrkOnLsh | I think it is hanging because I have grub installed on a seperate partition and it's becoming confuse |
| 02:12.24 | PhrkOnLsh | d |
| 02:13.06 | xiambax | i apt-get installed synergy but whenever i try to run it, it says command not found |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | xiambax: so you thought that compiling would fix it? |
| 02:13.56 | xiambax | well installing from source yes |
| 02:14.00 | abrotman | uh no |
| 02:14.12 | xiambax | well then, any input? |
| 02:14.18 | abrotman | try synergy<tab><tab> |
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| 02:17.23 | xiambax | thanks |
| 02:17.41 | PhrkOnLsh | what happens if I delete /boot/grub ? |
| 02:17.54 | dondelelcaro | PhrkOnLsh: your machine probably won't boot properly. |
| 02:17.56 | abrotman | nothing good |
| 02:18.09 | zeeble | ugh. why would you want to delete grub? the issue is most probably not grub related. |
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| 02:18.13 | PhrkOnLsh | well, I have grub/used installed on a different partition |
| 02:18.26 | dondelelcaro | PhrkOnLsh: that won't confuse grub. |
| 02:18.36 | zeeble | grub can handle all that |
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| 02:18.43 | PhrkOnLsh | kernel installer hangs at ould not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like /boot/grub/menu.lst generated for you? (y/N) |
| 02:18.52 | PhrkOnLsh | "could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like /boot/grub/menu.lst generated for you? (y/N)" |
| 02:19.09 | dondelelcaro | PhrkOnLsh: so have it make it for you |
| 02:19.13 | PhrkOnLsh | either choices cause it to hang |
| 02:19.25 | PhrkOnLsh | 03:19 ( PhrkOnLsh) either choices cause it to hang |
| 02:19.35 | pythonic | hi! what module do i load, etc. for framebuffer on Matrox MGA G200e? |
| 02:19.36 | dondelelcaro | PhrkOnLsh: yes, we can see that, you don't need to repeat. |
| 02:19.43 | pythonic | i've tried all matroxfb_* |
| 02:19.46 | PhrkOnLsh | waves at dondelelcaro |
| 02:20.10 | pythonic | but i get no /dev/fb0 |
| 02:20.15 | dondelelcaro | PhrkOnLsh: run update-grub; and see what it does. |
| 02:20.55 | PhrkOnLsh | :-) |
| 02:21.15 | PhrkOnLsh | It installed :) |
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| 02:21.26 | PhrkOnLsh | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:21.33 | PhrkOnLsh | and the others of course |
| 02:21.35 | rob22 | hi, it is possible to boot the debian installation cd from floppy? |
| 02:21.38 | PhrkOnLsh | notes ffr |
| 02:21.49 | rob22 | i mean to start the installation cd |
| 02:22.07 | dondelelcaro | rob22: yes |
| 02:22.22 | dondelelcaro | rob22: the install guide covers it (or at least, used to cover it) |
| 02:23.05 | rob22 | dondelelcaro, i'll take a look, thanks |
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| 02:23.21 | dondelelcaro | rob22: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#floppy-boot |
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| 02:25.53 | rob22 | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 02:28.01 | hatter | would a graphical program for gnome like gsambad go under the same scrutiny to get into 'stable' ? |
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| 02:29.39 | abrotman | hatter: what? |
| 02:31.17 | hatter | um, there is some level of stable decided for a program to get into 'stable' right ? so a program , even a gui pgm that you can apt-get from the stable repository would go under the same scrutiny ? |
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| 02:31.35 | cafuego | Soskel: They go into /srv/www/[WHATEVERTHESITEISCALLED]/html |
| 02:32.08 | Soskel | it doesn't have to be a domain name? like exmaple.net, www.example.net ? |
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| 02:33.12 | zeeble | Where do i stick in pcf or bdf fonts? |
| 02:33.43 | dondelelcaro | hatter: pretty much |
| 02:34.03 | dondelelcaro | hatter: though we sort of assume that people are actually using the packages in question enough to discover bugs in them; sometimes that's not true |
| 02:34.57 | Soskel | cafuego: ? |
| 02:35.16 | Soskel | ok |
| 02:35.18 | Soskel | I get it now |
| 02:35.22 | Soskel | thanks a lot!! |
| 02:35.25 | hatter | dondelelcaro, which i imagine could be more possible with a gui thing in gnome, since we all love the cli |
| 02:35.26 | PhrkOnLsh | Is changing /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the testing archives and then apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade enough to get me a testing distro? |
| 02:36.43 | icesword | there you go,if it crashed.don't cry |
| 02:36.58 | hatter | is anyone aware of a debian stable gnome user community ? how could i find out how many people are using gnome with etch ? |
| 02:37.11 | zeeble | you do a apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, PhrkOnLsh |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | !tell PhrkOnLsh about etch->lenny |
| 02:37.21 | PhrkOnLsh | ah tahnks |
| 02:37.25 | PhrkOnLsh | thanks, rather |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | !tell hatter about popcon |
| 02:38.11 | hatter | and where are the results posted of the popcon ? |
| 02:38.17 | hatter | oops |
| 02:38.21 | hatter | i read it too quick |
| 02:38.22 | hatter | i see |
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| 02:39.45 | hatter | are you aware of any legal requirements to give the root password to a customer of a box that was setup ? |
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| 02:40.13 | abrotman | hatter: this is not #legal |
| 02:40.33 | xingu | hatter: is the box purchased or leased? |
| 02:41.08 | hatter | the box is owned by the customer, but the management of the box and the disclaimer states the root password will not be given |
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| 02:41.39 | hatter | so the customer didnt purchase any s/w, since its GPL, but they purchased installation and managemnt |
| 02:41.53 | abrotman | hatter: this is not the channel for that discussion .. take it elsewhere |
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| 02:42.21 | lymeca | What is the best way to capture a DV stream from a digital DV camera via Firewire? |
| 02:42.30 | icesword | abrotman, i am curious,may i ask what do you do? |
| 02:42.31 | hatter | abrotman, ok, where would you discuss this ? this is a relevent linux / GPL / debian question i would think ? |
| 02:42.46 | abrotman | hatter: ask your lawyer .. not IRC |
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| 02:42.50 | abrotman | icesword: yes .. i mind |
| 02:42.54 | dondelelcaro | hatter: you probably want to contact an attorney; we're not yours. |
| 02:43.03 | icesword | abrotman, why ? |
| 02:43.30 | hatter | dondelelcaro, ok, np. |
| 02:43.39 | abrotman | do you need a reason? saying 'no' isn't good enough? |
| 02:43.44 | dondelelcaro | icesword: because it doesn't really matter what anyone here actually does; if someone doesn't care to share, it their business. |
| 02:44.04 | dondelelcaro | (and frankly, even discussing what you do for a job here is likely not Debian related) |
| 02:44.18 | icesword | see |
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| 02:45.02 | icesword | i think you will be bored answering technology questions |
| 02:45.30 | icesword | always |
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| 02:46.48 | dondelelcaro | icesword: we talk in other channels about other things; that's just what this channel is for. |
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| 02:47.48 | icesword | that is ok,let it pass |
| 02:49.10 | lymeca | I'm troubleshooting firewire on my Debian box. Apparently I have no raw1394 module loaded (as Kino complains) but modprobe raw1934 does nothing! |
| 02:49.19 | lymeca | FATAL: Module raw1394 not found. |
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| 02:49.35 | lymeca | I have the libraw1395-8 package installed though |
| 02:50.10 | abrotman | lymeca: on testing/unstable ? |
| 02:50.21 | lymeca | abrotman: yes |
| 02:50.36 | abrotman | i have no idea where it's documented .. but the raw1394 is gone from the kernel |
| 02:50.46 | lymeca | ok...so...is there a replacement? |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | AIUI, yes, but the applications don't know squat about it |
| 02:51.49 | lymeca | Ah okay |
| 02:51.50 | abrotman | http://layer-acht.org/blog/debian/#1-155 |
| 02:52.02 | lymeca | So there's no way to capture a DV stream via firewire? |
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| 02:53.18 | hatter | if i download the source pf a pgm and its a newer version than the one in stable, should i aptitude remove the package first ? |
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| 02:55.03 | abrotman | pf? pgm? |
| 02:55.16 | PhrkOnLsh | of program I'd assume |
| 02:55.32 | dondelelcaro | hatter: if you want to install a newer version than what is in stable, make a backport of the package. |
| 02:55.40 | dondelelcaro | hatter: installing directly from source is just going to lead to pain. |
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| 02:55.52 | hatter | 'of' |
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| 02:58.04 | AussieHatter | did the whole channel get d/c'ed just then ? |
| 02:58.10 | dondelelcaro | AussieHatter: just you |
| 02:58.15 | AussieHatter | hmm |
| 02:58.42 | AussieHatter | so the bot thinks 'hatter' is still connected ? |
| 02:59.02 | dondelelcaro | you are, actually. |
| 02:59.18 | AussieHatter | hatter is still connected ? |
| 02:59.29 | dondelelcaro | AussieHatter: /wii hatter |
| 03:01.11 | lufthanza_ | could someone help me with the nfs server I'm trying to set up? I keep getting 'permission denied' errors when trying to mount a share on another computer |
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| 03:02.41 | zeitsofas | lufthanza_ pls paste your /etc/exports |
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| 03:05.12 | lufthanza_ | zeitsofas: this is my exports, hosts.allow, and hosts.deny:http://pastebin.com/m2f16ce62 |
| 03:05.14 | _Sam-- | hey dondelelcaro: dont forget about me! sorry, again, to be a pest. |
| 03:05.41 | madpr0pz | hi all |
| 03:05.53 | madpr0pz | what's a good way to split a text file into multiple parts? |
| 03:05.58 | madpr0pz | just using the newlines |
| 03:06.04 | madpr0pz | i want to split it into 16ths |
| 03:06.08 | dondelelcaro | madpr0pz: split |
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| 03:06.13 | madpr0pz | ahh ;-) |
| 03:06.16 | xerxes | thank you |
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| 03:07.44 | ModestUser | Hi! How can I get to know on which DVD ISO (etch) a package is (without downloading it first)? i will need to install etch somewhere cut off civilization |
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| 03:10.04 | zeitsofas | lufthanza_ hmm i have never seen bevor so many things in a exports ;) http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/courses/build/net-admin/ch12s03.html << have a look @ this i hope it is helpfully for you |
| 03:12.16 | lufthanza_ | zeitsofas: actually, i used 'exportfs -ra' and for some reason that fixed it. |
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| 03:13.00 | lufthanza_ | zeitsofas: sorry to have bothered you |
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| 03:13.33 | zeitsofas | hmm you can use sshfs i think is easyer for use und dont need some nfs progs only sshserver on the mashine with the shares |
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| 03:28.04 | arnuld | I am Archlinux user, now I want to start using Debian |
| 03:28.28 | arnuld | I have 2 drives: CDROM and DVD-RW |
| 03:28.34 | arnuld | originally, /dev/sr0 --> cdrom & /dev/sr1 --> DVD-RW |
| 03:28.40 | arnuld | now I removed the DVD-RW and put in DVDROM, the /dev/sr1 disappears :\ |
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| 03:28.48 | arnuld | /dev/sr1 comes back ony when I put in my old DVD-RW back :\ |
| 03:29.22 | arnuld | I want t o installd debian, does it has the same problem ? |
| 03:29.38 | krux0 | it might |
| 03:30.30 | krux0 | sr1 disappears, does it spawn as sdx? or sgx? |
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| 03:31.02 | arnuld | spawn ? |
| 03:31.09 | arnuld | I didnot get what you mean |
| 03:31.35 | krux0 | is the dvd rom drive recognized as sdx or sgx? |
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| 03:32.39 | arnuld | scsi3-mmc drive |
| 03:32.44 | arnuld | as per dmesg |
| 03:34.17 | krux0 | so mount it as that device if it exists |
| 03:34.39 | arnuld | no, thats my DVD-RW |
| 03:34.50 | arnuld | I am talkign about my DVD-ROM which is not detected |
| 03:34.59 | arnuld | let me poweroff and try it with my DVD-ROM |
| 03:35.43 | krux0 | it could be a master-slave issue if you're using EIDE |
| 03:36.00 | krux0 | if it's SATA it's not master slave |
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| 03:36.38 | arnuld | don't know what you mean but all 3 drives use 48-pin cables to attach to Motherboatrd, the long wide plastic strip |
| 03:37.04 | arnuld | only my HDD is SATA with a thin and long red strip atatche dto Motehrboaed |
| 03:38.01 | arnuld | it also has a different cable for poer-supply |
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| 03:38.09 | arnuld | I will be back after a reboot |
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| 03:46.19 | scruffy | what type of bot is dpkg? |
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| 03:48.50 | Varanger | Does tzconfig still exist?? |
| 03:50.21 | xiambax | dpkg-reconfigure xsession-xorg doesnt work now |
| 03:50.29 | xiambax | anyone know why that may be happening? |
| 03:50.55 | xiambax | nm |
| 03:50.58 | xiambax | im retarded |
| 03:51.04 | xiambax | xserver-xorg |
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| 03:57.19 | Varanger | Where do I find tzconfig??? |
| 03:57.31 | amanoel | hi! how can I get color messages on debian boot? |
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| 03:59.02 | cafuego | !find tzconfig |
| 03:59.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tzconfig' (1): (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/tzconfig.html) in non-free/doc/dahb-html. |
| 03:59.13 | kgoetz | bah. cafuego's 4 chars ahead of me |
| 03:59.13 | amanoel | nobody knows? :/ |
| 03:59.27 | kgoetz | amanoel: dont be so impatient |
| 03:59.30 | cafuego | amanoel: edit the boot scripts and incldue ansi codes |
| 03:59.33 | amanoel | ok :P |
| 03:59.43 | cafuego | Do you boot so often that it matters? |
| 04:00.02 | cafuego | kgoetz: 4 chars ~= half an hour |
| 04:00.12 | simonrvn | amanoel: get a colouring book |
| 04:00.13 | kgoetz | heh |
| 04:00.16 | amanoel | no, but color messages are prettier and more comprehensible :) |
| 04:00.28 | tsmith0 | Hi, I'm not sure if this is an appropriate place to ask this, but my sound suddenly became really distorted, it sounds like the speakers are underwater. I never had this problem before, I tried rebooting and updating alsa, same problem. help? |
| 04:00.28 | cafuego | amanoel: Well, grab vim and off you go :-) |
| 04:00.32 | amanoel | :( |
| 04:01.08 | simonrvn | cafuego: vim grabs my tty, does that qualify as me grabbing vim? |
| 04:01.09 | amanoel | there's not an easier way? |
| 04:01.42 | cafuego | amanoel: you want one of us to edit the file for you? |
| 04:02.01 | cafuego | amanoel: Seems you're lucky |
| 04:02.16 | simonrvn | what's hard about typing in ansi colour escape codes? o_O |
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| 04:02.18 | amanoel | no, I just want an easier way, like... apt-get something, or editing a couple of lines in some file |
| 04:02.29 | cafuego | amanoel: /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 04:02.43 | cafuego | make log_use_fancy_output() return true and you're all set |
| 04:02.44 | amanoel | it's hard that I don't know how to do that :/ |
| 04:02.59 | xiambax | how do i enable compositing if i dont have some fancy 3d card |
| 04:03.00 | amanoel | really? |
| 04:03.02 | amanoel | oh, thanks :) |
| 04:03.06 | simonrvn | learn then it won't be |
| 04:03.09 | xiambax | http://aptgetanarchy.org/node/115 <-- this tutorial looks ok |
| 04:03.21 | xiambax | but what part do i want to disable that refers to the nvidia driver? |
| 04:03.28 | cafuego | @%$$@^% flight delays |
| 04:03.48 | simonrvn | needs an ! there somewhere |
| 04:03.55 | cafuego | simonrvn: what you and vim get up to behind closed doors should rwally stay behind those doors |
| 04:04.17 | cafuego | simonrvn: Oh, I don't know perl. |
| 04:04.28 | simonrvn | cafuego: it is usually private, people don't see what i type |
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| 04:07.45 | cottima | hello, sorry to bother, I am doing an install on Ubunut with debian installer. I did RAID 1. How do I install grub? Can I give both devices or partitions or raid (md0) devices? |
| 04:08.12 | simonrvn | #ubuntu, --> that way |
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| 04:08.56 | cottima | sorry, for my rudeness, simonrvn |
| 04:09.10 | simonrvn | you weren't rude, it's all good |
| 04:10.16 | Varanger | Please anyone help I am looking for "tzconfig" and I don't know which package installs it ...!! |
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| 04:10.43 | cottima | I just get annoyed with ubuntu since it is not well knowledge on the debian technology it uses. I am use to a redhat distro. |
| 04:10.46 | simonrvn | !tzconfig |
| 04:10.46 | dpkg | from memory, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
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| 04:11.04 | simonrvn | !tzdata |
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| 04:11.34 | amanoel | FANCETTY=1 didn't work... |
| 04:11.43 | amanoel | I really have to ascii-color the escape codes? |
| 04:12.03 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 04:12.34 | Varanger | simonrvn: I have debootstrapped a system and I hasn't installed tzconfig. I am looking for it... |
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| 04:12.47 | simonrvn | tzdata |
| 04:13.06 | Varanger | !tzdata |
| 04:13.26 | \amethyst | amanoel: you misspelled FANCYTTY |
| 04:13.45 | simonrvn | no.. it's in tzdata |
| 04:14.02 | amanoel | \amethyst: indeed |
| 04:14.09 | amanoel | sorry for that |
| 04:14.15 | amanoel | but in the file I've wrotten FANCYTTY |
| 04:14.18 | \amethyst | where? |
| 04:14.31 | amanoel | /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 04:14.37 | Varanger | simonrvn: dpkg didn't respond about tzdata |
| 04:14.53 | simonrvn | *the package is called tzdata* |
| 04:14.58 | amanoel | in fact it's kinda fancy, but not colorful |
| 04:16.07 | \amethyst | amanoel: only failures are colorful (they're red) |
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| 04:16.35 | amanoel | yes |
| 04:16.46 | amanoel | but I wanted something nicer, like in gentoo |
| 04:16.49 | amanoel | isn't that possible? |
| 04:16.58 | \amethyst | I don't know what gentoo is like |
| 04:17.06 | amanoel | it's colorful :P |
| 04:17.10 | \amethyst | but, yes, it's possible by editing the messages |
| 04:17.32 | simonrvn | ohnoz!!1 it's not like gentoo!!!1 *yawn* |
| 04:17.50 | amanoel | simonrvn: I'm not saying that :/ |
| 04:17.54 | cafuego | amanoel: Well, give it a set -x and see what it actually does. |
| 04:18.52 | \amethyst | amanoel: see how low_success_msg does just echo "$@" while log_failure_msg does some stuff with $TPUT? Change log_success_msg |
| 04:19.31 | \amethyst | amanoel: of course, if you do this it will be replaced next time you upgrade the lsb-base package |
| 04:19.45 | amanoel | hmm |
| 04:20.05 | \amethyst | amanoel: instead you should put the changed function definitions in /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh |
| 04:20.12 | simonrvn | amanoel: i know, i'm just bugging ya |
| 04:20.43 | \amethyst | amanoel: (the init-functions script sources that file, if it exists, as the last step |
| 04:20.46 | \amethyst | ) |
| 04:21.27 | amanoel | I see |
| 04:21.55 | cafuego | amanoel: And for threcord, green is typut setaf 2 |
| 04:22.25 | amanoel | thanks! I'll try it here |
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| 04:27.10 | zorton | i'm attempting: apt-get source hamlib=1.2.6.2 |
| 04:27.15 | zorton | to get the source for hamlib 1.2.6.2 |
| 04:27.34 | zorton | it's reporting "unable to find a source package for" |
| 04:27.43 | zorton | is this because the package has been udpated with teh newer version in testing? |
| 04:28.28 | kgoetz | zorton: quite posably. if you pastebin the exact command and its error someone ould help properly |
| 04:28.34 | zorton | k |
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| 04:29.44 | zorton | http://pastebin.com/m12d46222 |
| 04:29.54 | cafuego | thinks it's because the package is in fact called 'libhamlib2' and not 'hamlib' |
| 04:29.56 | zorton | is the output and a copy of my sources.list for the above question |
| 04:30.10 | zorton | well the command does work if I drop the version request |
| 04:30.34 | xsdg | cafuego: is the source package called libhamlib2 and not hamlib? |
| 04:30.51 | zorton | source package is called hamlib according packages.debian.org |
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| 04:31.19 | cafuego | xsdg:No, but as it turns out, either works here. |
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| 04:33.33 | simonrvn | probably a provides.. |
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| 04:35.57 | zorton | well that might explain it |
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| 04:36.14 | zorton | looking at the pool on ftp.us.debian.org there are source packages for 1.2.5 but not 1.2.6.2 |
| 04:36.17 | zorton | weird |
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| 04:50.34 | MSone | hi al |
| 04:50.36 | MSone | l |
| 04:50.52 | MSone | i have problem in my apt-get install |
| 04:51.01 | MSone | who can help plz |
| 04:51.14 | xiambax | whats the issue? |
| 04:51.47 | MSone | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 04:51.47 | MSone | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 04:51.54 | MSone | apache2-mpm-prefork: Depends: apache2.2-common (= 2.2.3-4+etch4) but 2.2.3-4+etch3 is to be installed |
| 04:51.54 | MSone | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.00 | MSone | (>= 5.8.8) but it is not going to be installed |
| 04:52.00 | MSone | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 04:52.21 | xiambax | yes, you have dependancys |
| 04:52.28 | MSone | i can't install nothing with apt-get |
| 04:52.40 | xiambax | try a -f |
| 04:53.09 | MSone | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y |
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| 04:53.27 | MSone | Reading database ... 46947 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 04:53.27 | MSone | Preparing to replace apache2.2-common 2.2.3-4+etch3 (using .../apache2.2-common_2.2.3-4+etch4_i386.deb) ... |
| 04:53.35 | MSone | Unpacking replacement apache2.2-common ... |
| 04:53.35 | MSone | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2.2-common_2.2.3-4+etch4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 04:53.35 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 04:53.50 | kgoetz | !tell MSone about pastebin |
| 04:54.16 | MSone | sorry |
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| 04:57.58 | MSone | who can help me |
| 04:58.03 | prolix | hello |
| 04:58.06 | MSone | xiambax |
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| 04:59.33 | yigal | is there any use in using a stripped down version of gnome? |
| 04:59.41 | Guerin | no |
| 04:59.57 | Guerin | because all gnom,e's blat is in the backend - subsystems which you don't see anyhow |
| 05:00.08 | Guerin | mostly named after animals |
| 05:00.47 | yigal | Guerin: yes, it seems difficult to do without gnome, I want gimp apt is installing gnome parts etc.? |
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| 05:01.31 | yigal | it makes me feel like I should install it anyways because apt will most likely do most of it for me and I may as well have a full dm if I want one at some point? |
| 05:02.12 | yigal | but evolution is gross, rhythmbox, xchat-gnome, gnome-terminal I mean sucky sucky sucky ? |
| 05:02.34 | yigal | Guerin: well thanks for your opinion |
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| 05:04.50 | yigal | owell I guess I'm flame bating :) |
| 05:04.55 | yigal | but doing it poorly |
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| 05:06.14 | prolix | since you're in such a talkative mood, could you tell me why debian is so huge? |
| 05:06.30 | prolix | i mean 4.6g for the first disc seems like...well, vista. |
| 05:06.45 | prolix | not to mention the recommended hdd space of 4g |
| 05:07.23 | yigal | prolix: yes, but you don't need to use it all |
| 05:08.01 | yigal | prolix: all sorts of stuff that you will never probably use |
| 05:09.35 | prolix | yigal: so does that mean that damn small linux and debian are exactly the same minus the extra packages? |
| 05:10.05 | yigal | prolix: no, not at all |
| 05:10.22 | yigal | prolix: but you can make a minimal system from debian |
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| 05:10.40 | phil2 | Good night everyone. |
| 05:10.50 | yigal | good night |
| 05:11.11 | phil2 | Tommrow I will have some price wars over the internet. |
| 05:11.24 | yigal | ebay? |
| 05:11.39 | yigal | owell good night |
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| 05:13.31 | yigal | that is probably the funniest out going message " shutdown -h now" love it |
| 05:15.02 | DogBoy | you must be celebrating yigal |
| 05:15.39 | yigal | DogBoy: no, just a loner who doesn't talk, the potential builds up and then well you see the result |
| 05:16.04 | DogBoy | lol |
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| 05:20.00 | yigal | Guerin: what do you use to organize photos if you don't use GNOME, digikam? |
| 05:20.18 | pmv | digikam is okay |
| 05:20.34 | pmv | good cam support |
| 05:20.35 | pmv | what do you use on gnome? |
| 05:20.56 | yigal | pmv: I used to use before I stopped using it, f-spot - mono |
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| 05:21.19 | pmv | everytime I see something implemented in mono i cringe |
| 05:21.33 | pmv | is it a mistaken impression to think mono apps are .. well, slower? |
| 05:21.44 | jim | what's a mono? |
| 05:21.53 | yigal | pmv: I haven't noticed a speed problems |
| 05:21.55 | pmv | !mono |
| 05:21.55 | dpkg | i guess mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 05:22.10 | yigal | that is funny |
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| 05:22.47 | jim | you might consider openacs, a toolkit that was around since about 1998 in one form or another |
| 05:22.58 | jim | it's -fast- |
| 05:23.02 | yigal | pmv: I have digikam installed and am trying to adjust to it |
| 05:23.27 | pmv | jim, a toolkit like gtk? |
| 05:23.39 | pmv | or a dev platform like mono? |
| 05:23.49 | jim | gtk? I thought mono was for web apps |
| 05:24.09 | pmv | no, mono is a .NET implementation |
| 05:24.10 | Guerin | yigal: whatever does gnome have to do with organising photos? |
| 05:24.36 | jim | oh... this is not .net but it is a web app framework |
| 05:24.40 | yigal | Guerin: only in that there are tools developed for gnome that seem ok for the job |
| 05:24.42 | jim | (openacs that is) |
| 05:24.50 | pmv | jim, what language? |
| 05:25.17 | pmv | one of these days open source developers will run out of clever wordplay names for software |
| 05:25.19 | jim | tcl, html, either postgres sql or oracle sql (and their respective pl/ languages) |
| 05:25.23 | pmv | until then, it is hit and miss :p |
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| 05:25.49 | pmv | jim, thanks, but I have no need for one just yet. the web applications I do are in C/fastcgi. |
| 05:26.01 | jim | oh ok |
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| 05:26.07 | krinns | hi all |
| 05:26.11 | jim | but... you might check this out: |
| 05:26.26 | krinns | i want to start run a script on every reboot of my debian machine |
| 05:26.28 | krinns | what i do |
| 05:26.41 | krinns | add in /etc/rc.local ? |
| 05:26.42 | pmv | krinns, read up rc |
| 05:26.50 | yigal | krinns: run levels |
| 05:26.55 | krinns | why |
| 05:26.57 | pmv | that will do, but it would be cleaner if you put them in init.d |
| 05:26.58 | dsyefria | update-rc.d |
| 05:27.08 | jim | http://openacs.org/doc/acs-templating/demo/ |
| 05:27.09 | krinns | i think rc.local should work its a custom script |
| 05:27.30 | pmv | it is a central control point though. better to keep things where they should be. |
| 05:27.42 | pmv | which is init.d |
| 05:27.57 | yigal | pmv: so do you use digikam? |
| 05:28.05 | jim | it's very impressive, and its benefit is that when you have programmers who don't design and designers who just know html, you can still put them to work on their own thing and have them cooperate |
| 05:28.17 | pmv | yigal, I have tried it once or twice |
| 05:28.31 | pmv | some internet cafes are getting hip and install digikam |
| 05:28.31 | yigal | pmv: what do you use, these days? |
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| 05:29.11 | pmv | yigal, I import my photos over umass and just store them |
| 05:29.18 | pmv | gqview to view |
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| 05:29.26 | yigal | pmv: any way to catalog or tag? |
| 05:29.27 | pmv | not much need for extra organization |
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| 05:29.35 | pmv | yigal, nope. I do not have much. |
| 05:29.36 | yigal | pmv: ah, ok |
| 05:30.44 | yigal | I am collecting 10000 photos or so from family and would like to tag them, eventually making a nice database, so I will keep looking |
| 05:30.57 | pmv | hehe :) |
| 05:31.03 | pmv | well digikam can do that |
| 05:31.09 | pmv | but I am a gtk guy myself |
| 05:31.24 | jim | another benefit of openacs is its core data model, it's quite stable and very versatile... has an object system, a content repository (out of which many cmses have been built), a permission system fully integrated and applicable to objects and much more |
| 05:31.40 | yigal | pmv: yes, I tried KDE4 from experimental this weekend quite nice but not as cute as gtk :) |
| 05:31.56 | pmv | f-spot looks nice though |
| 05:32.13 | jim | there is photo.net which was done with a precursor of openacs |
| 05:32.29 | pmv | yeah, there probably is a way to change that, but I have always had this impression of qt as clunky |
| 05:32.30 | jim | so was wgbh.org and scorecard.org |
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| 05:32.53 | pmv | no web-based desktop apps for me, thanks |
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| 05:32.58 | dsyefria | hi guys, |
| 05:33.04 | dsyefria | is there any way to limiting upload traffic per client(ip addr) on a router with a tranparent proxy environment? |
| 05:33.05 | jetscreamer | gtk feels clunkier to me... |
| 05:33.19 | jim | oh, sorry, I thought that's what you were looking for with that .net thing |
| 05:33.20 | jetscreamer | i prefer to look at the gtk though |
| 05:33.21 | pmv | jetscreamer, see, to each his own :) |
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| 05:33.47 | pmv | plastik does look nice, with 1280x800 and above resolutions |
| 05:34.01 | jetscreamer | i mean i like gnome's eye candy better |
| 05:34.17 | jetscreamer | but yeah plastik is ok |
| 05:34.20 | krinns | yigal what abt if i cant see rc.local file |
| 05:34.21 | krinns | ? |
| 05:34.23 | krinns | any idea |
| 05:34.28 | pmv | krinns, make it |
| 05:34.36 | krinns | oh ok |
| 05:34.37 | jetscreamer | rc.local is optional and make it like he said |
| 05:34.38 | krinns | no prb |
| 05:34.39 | yigal | pmv: KDE4 is nice, but it isn't finished yet so native 4 apps. look really good |
| 05:34.40 | krinns | thanks |
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| 05:35.11 | jetscreamer | !seen nyle |
| 05:35.11 | dpkg | nyle <n=stoned@unaffiliated/stoned> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 14h 1m 25s ago, saying: '!debian clone'. |
| 05:35.18 | pmv | krinns, seriously though, look at update-rc.d |
| 05:35.26 | krinns | ok |
| 05:35.33 | krinns | will see thanks again |
| 05:35.36 | yigal | krinns: it is very fast and easy |
| 05:35.49 | yigal | and your script will be ready to work |
| 05:35.51 | krinns | act i want to run a commad on startup |
| 05:36.08 | yigal | krinns: when at startup |
| 05:36.10 | krinns | for this i just out that command in rc.local file simple and easy to remove? |
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| 05:36.15 | jim | wat commad? |
| 05:36.17 | krinns | yesa |
| 05:36.29 | yigal | krinns: why not init.d ? |
| 05:36.32 | pmv | krinns, that will do. but it is still cleaner to make an init.d script |
| 05:36.33 | krinns | just to check my email server startus n email me |
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| 05:36.37 | jim | that's for daemons |
| 05:37.05 | pmv | jim, not necessarily, it is for startup scripts |
| 05:37.21 | pmv | which may or may not have to do with services |
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| 05:37.30 | jim | well yes, but it doesn't really make sense for just some command to run at root |
| 05:38.00 | jim | the rc.local thing, while I think that's not a great name, is more for that kind of thing |
| 05:38.12 | pmv | hmm, I suppose so |
| 05:38.29 | jim | or you could use daemontools |
| 05:38.32 | pmv | or something outside of rc.local, and then just call it |
| 05:38.46 | jim | but that's not for everything either |
| 05:40.12 | jetscreamer | !automount |
| 05:40.12 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 05:40.20 | jetscreamer | !autofs |
| 05:40.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s |
| 05:40.37 | yigal | why not pmount? |
| 05:40.48 | jim | never heard of that |
| 05:40.53 | yigal | for personal use |
| 05:41.03 | yigal | no for non privelaged users |
| 05:41.39 | jim | I like to specify what users can mount and what they can't |
| 05:42.00 | yigal | sure makes sense |
| 05:42.07 | jim | I don't want plain users to have access to hardware in a noncontrolled way |
| 05:42.22 | jim | but at the same time, that's for servers that have lots of users |
| 05:42.43 | jetscreamer | some dude wants his external usb drives to automount but no gui |
| 05:43.03 | jim | my home machine doesn't have a lot of users, but I still like to control it like I would a server |
| 05:43.08 | yigal | jetscreamer: oh, ok, good for him |
| 05:43.27 | jetscreamer | the botspam wasnt for any question in here :o |
| 05:43.31 | jetscreamer | is my point |
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| 05:44.14 | jim | bamspot! |
| 05:44.30 | jim | err botspam! |
| 05:45.43 | yigal | jim: nice discipline :) |
| 05:45.44 | ool | I am getting Bus error when starting some Gnome apps. Tried to google, but I can't find what to do. What can I do? |
| 05:46.24 | jim | Out Of Limabeans? |
| 05:47.22 | jim | bus error... hmm. that's sorta unusual... you might want to make sure your motherboard, ram and video all test good |
| 05:48.12 | ool | jim, please more detail on what to do, I am not exactly HW guy... |
| 05:48.40 | jim | if you were to run a ram checker for awhile (like memtest86) and it doesn't show problems, then maybe we're looking at a different problem |
| 05:49.36 | ool | jim, thanks will try |
| 05:49.39 | jim | bus error means "a memory access was tried, and there was no ram at the address specified by the access" |
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| 05:50.10 | ool | jim, aha thanks |
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| 05:51.36 | jim | in machines that have hardware exception handling for those kinds of things, an interrupt is fired when that happens |
| 05:51.53 | ool | jim, this is asus notebook |
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| 05:52.13 | jim | does it generally work? |
| 05:52.33 | ool | jim, what do you mean? the notebook? :) |
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| 05:52.42 | jim | or do you get bus errors all thru its booting, etc? |
| 05:52.44 | pmv | lol |
| 05:53.01 | jim | the machine in question, whatever that is. |
| 05:53.09 | rush2 | How should I make some module not to be loaded (rtc) and some module to be loaded (genrtc)? |
| 05:53.15 | ool | jim, no everything work fine, except few gnome apps |
| 05:53.23 | jim | would you care to share names of your machines? you could make them up if you want |
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| 05:53.57 | jetscreamer | !tell rush2 -about blacklist |
| 05:54.17 | jetscreamer | rush2: one usually wants genrtc to not load though |
| 05:54.19 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 05:54.40 | ool | is there any way to see the bus error (or what precedes) with debugger or something? |
| 05:54.52 | Blazeix | Hi, I'm running Debian 4.0, and I would like to use python2.5 (default is 2.4). I've installed 2.5, and I'm putting #!/usr/bin/python2.5 in the header of my files, but I would like to install some python modules using apt-get. Is there a way to install python 2.5 modules with apt-get? Right now it default installs them in python 2.4. |
| 05:55.01 | rush2 | jetscreamer: hwclock doesn't work with rtc and works with genrtc |
| 05:55.14 | jetscreamer | !tell Blazeix -about backports |
| 05:55.20 | jetscreamer | rush2: blacklist it then |
| 05:55.30 | rush2 | yes, thanx |
| 05:56.02 | jetscreamer | rush2: i've mv'd the module and symlinked it to rtc before... the other way would work also. (this was before blacklisting, iirc) |
| 05:56.20 | jetscreamer | and a dirty hack |
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| 05:56.30 | rush2 | jetscreamer: and what about genrtc ? will it be loaded automatically? |
| 05:56.33 | jetscreamer | oh, and not the debian way |
| 05:56.33 | Blazeix | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 05:56.36 | jetscreamer | rush2: should be |
| 05:56.44 | rush2 | ok, thanx |
| 05:56.54 | jetscreamer | rush2: you could put genrtc into /etc/modules to make sure |
| 05:57.14 | jim | Blazeix: if you built the python yourself and installed it into /usr, you're going to have to dig it out of there if you want to get rid of it in favor of a backport |
| 05:57.19 | rush2 | ok |
| 05:58.55 | rush2 | And how can I tell my debian to sync hardware clocks with system clocks during reboot? |
| 05:59.25 | Guerin | rush2: man date |
| 05:59.51 | jim | it does that already, also the linux system clock doesn't use the hardware clock |
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| 06:00.35 | cody | Hello. |
| 06:00.45 | cody | Can I hire a utility programmer here? |
| 06:00.47 | jim | if you are fairly well connected to the net, ntp will sync your system clock to a very very accurate, external time source. |
| 06:00.54 | rush2 | I use ntp to set clocks |
| 06:01.08 | rush2 | ) |
| 06:01.35 | pmv | cody, doing what? |
| 06:01.42 | pmv | !rules |
| 06:01.43 | dpkg | methinks rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 06:01.51 | cody | I had a program made for me some time ago that I have since lost. I need it recreated. |
| 06:01.55 | pmv | not in the rules :) |
| 06:02.07 | pmv | cody, anything interesting? |
| 06:02.50 | jim | cody: if you really want to hire someone to do a specific job, there might be listings on www.debian.org and elsewhere |
| 06:02.51 | cody | The program must parse a text file and delete all those lines beginning with a specified string. |
| 06:02.59 | pmv | oh |
| 06:03.05 | pmv | shell scipt then |
| 06:03.16 | jim | is that all?? that's just a grep -v |
| 06:03.33 | pmv | how much pay ? :) |
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| 06:04.04 | pmv | or you want an actual binary program? |
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| 06:04.46 | pmv | something like this is surprisingly hard to do in windows >_< |
| 06:04.59 | pmv | I hate doing text manipulation in windows |
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| 06:05.17 | jim | meetoo, I usually like to be in a doorway |
| 06:05.52 | cody | It is logged text from live e-correspondence. |
| 06:05.56 | JdGordon | whats the best amd64 install cd to use? the 4.0r3 one didnt detect any of my hardware. |
| 06:06.13 | cody | Previously I had an "exe" file that accomplished it to my satisfaction. |
| 06:06.21 | pmv | an exe? |
| 06:06.28 | pmv | as in windows binary executable? |
| 06:06.31 | cody | I entered the user-name I wanted and the program kept all those lines by that user-name and deleted the others. |
| 06:06.40 | cody | Then saved the file anew. |
| 06:06.45 | cody | pmv, Yes. |
| 06:06.50 | jim | why amd64? the compilers don't build all the packages, and there are outside programs that aren't available for amd64 |
| 06:07.09 | jim | what mobo you got |
| 06:07.22 | Guerin | because it's twice as better than 32-bit |
| 06:07.25 | Guerin | obviously |
| 06:07.27 | pmv | this aint worth my time, sorry |
| 06:07.33 | cody | I copy the logged data from the e-correspondence log to a regular text file. Then I ought to be able to run this program on that text file. |
| 06:07.47 | JdGordon | i like amd64, but yeah 32 bit is really good enouugh, and its a gigabyte ds3r something |
| 06:07.50 | pmv | cody, out of curiosity, why do you go to #debian? |
| 06:07.55 | pmv | for this |
| 06:08.05 | cody | pmv, Programmers like Debian. |
| 06:08.15 | pmv | programmers like some challenge |
| 06:08.17 | Guerin | cody: /msg dpkg sed cheats |
| 06:08.19 | JdGordon | ga-p35-ds3r |
| 06:08.22 | pmv | that or compensation |
| 06:08.26 | cody | I require this program within a few hours. |
| 06:08.27 | pmv | Guerin, he wants it as a windows bin |
| 06:08.34 | Guerin | then he's a damned fool |
| 06:08.49 | prolix | how much is this job paying? |
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| 06:08.49 | Guerin | and doubly6 damned for asking in a free software channel |
| 06:08.55 | pmv | cody, no offense, but it is unlikely you will find help here :) |
| 06:08.57 | Guerin | prolix: take it to message |
| 06:09.10 | pmv | cody, good luck mate |
| 06:09.12 | cody | pmv, I had such a program made for me a couple of years ago. |
| 06:09.13 | Guerin | people routinely get banned for commercial spam in this channel |
| 06:09.15 | cody | It was useful. |
| 06:09.28 | prolix | i was just curious |
| 06:09.34 | pmv | cody, also useful, having a shell env that makes it easy to do that for you :) |
| 06:09.35 | prolix | but duly noted |
| 06:09.43 | cody | pmv, I can pay you $50 if you can deliver it within 40 minutes. |
| 06:09.49 | pmv | cody, try unix, it is great for stuff like that :) |
| 06:10.01 | pmv | haha, thanks, but I have actual work to do |
| 06:10.13 | Guerin | fifty bucks, hey big spender |
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| 06:10.23 | cody | We shall see who can come up with the most satisfactory solution in the fastest possible time. |
| 06:10.34 | cody | And I shall reward the winner, as I choose, with a $50 bonus. |
| 06:10.41 | pmv | :)) |
| 06:10.44 | Guerin | !ops cody is a spammer |
| 06:10.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: cody is a spammer |
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| 06:11.02 | pmv | bye bye :) |
| 06:11.14 | jim | cody: maybe it will be you. start by installing debian, continue by learning it, and then by learning a scripting language |
| 06:11.31 | prolix | cody: in 40 minutes you could learn enough python to make an executable via pyexe. |
| 06:11.59 | jim | python might be a fun way to go |
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| 06:12.33 | jim | bash will be harder to understand for some parts, but quicker for something as simple as that |
| 06:12.40 | pmv | cody, you can make a windows batch file to do that even |
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| 06:13.05 | pmv | 'find' is a lousy excuse for grep, but it will do |
| 06:13.25 | jim | (hint to folks who need the money: the first step is to accept the job under a contract, and do it) |
| 06:13.54 | pmv | is irc binding? :p |
| 06:14.14 | jim | seriously doubtful. |
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| 06:14.30 | Guerin | for $50, who'd even open up an editor? |
| 06:14.44 | pmv | if he had bash, I would take that money for a one-liner :) |
| 06:14.52 | prolix | fifty bucks for ten minutes tops doesn't sound bad. |
| 06:15.03 | facedown | i accidently created a folder as root with lots of other files in it.. how can i change the permissions to be a regular user? |
| 06:15.17 | Guerin | facedown: info coreutils chown |
| 06:15.28 | jim | step one: learn about how to set permissions |
| 06:15.30 | pmv | 10 minutes? grep -e '^string' file > newfile |
| 06:15.42 | prolix | i was highballing for the hunt and peckers |
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| 06:15.54 | prolix | or the people who only have one finger per hand |
| 06:16.09 | pmv | or rather |
| 06:16.10 | jim | you could still play bass that way |
| 06:16.13 | pmv | grep -ve '^string' file > newfile |
| 06:16.15 | cody | pmv, I don't want to simply remove the string. |
| 06:16.33 | Guerin | cody: your stupid is showing |
| 06:17.03 | pmv | cody, I do not want to be offensive, mate, but I already said no |
| 06:17.04 | jim | so you've not fully described what you want |
| 06:17.38 | cody | Previously I had an "exe" file that accomplished it to my satisfaction. |
| 06:17.39 | prolix | bash commands from windows? |
| 06:17.44 | cody | "I entered the user-name I wanted and the program kept all those lines by that user-name and deleted the others." |
| 06:18.02 | cody | This is the problem I am offering forth. |
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| 06:18.14 | cody | The best solution in the fastest time garners my $50. |
| 06:18.16 | Guerin | cody: i've tried to be subtle, but it's not worked. How's this: can you please fuck off, or drop this topic entirely? |
| 06:18.23 | prolix | haha |
| 06:19.06 | cody | If I were your professor, you would kindly oblige free of charge. |
| 06:19.14 | cody | I am offering $50 and you are showing me attitude. |
| 06:19.19 | cody | Why? |
| 06:19.33 | pmv | job's too boring |
| 06:19.43 | Guerin | because you're a fucking tool trolling for windows business in a free software channel |
| 06:19.48 | jim | cody: no I wouldn't, if I caught him using my work for the benefit of his business, he'd be in very serious trouble |
| 06:20.33 | Guerin | and if you were my professor, I'd wonder why the fuck you were asking me to do elementary text manipulation problems |
| 06:20.37 | sauvin | wtf? |
| 06:20.45 | Guerin | a six year-old with a spare hour can do this |
| 06:20.54 | jim | cody: plus if you knew how easy this was using just shell scripting, you'd understand how non-credible you're being |
| 06:21.13 | cody | In a capitalist society, the go-getters reap all the rewards. |
| 06:21.23 | Guerin | go get, then |
| 06:21.27 | prolix | cody: there are freeware alternatives to your problem |
| 06:21.37 | prolix | cody: http://www.filedudes.com/file |
| 06:21.45 | prolix | donate that $50 |
| 06:21.51 | sauvin | wtf? |
| 06:21.59 | Guerin | sauvin: yes. |
| 06:22.03 | cody | You are costing yourself $50 because you are too stubborn to put in 10 minutes of your expertise? |
| 06:22.11 | cody | Think about it. |
| 06:22.23 | Guerin | !ops cody for fuck's sakes |
| 06:22.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: cody for fuck's sakes |
| 06:22.56 | jim | cody: I do see your point... but this entire line is off-topic here even if it were to hire linux programmers, even debian programmers |
| 06:23.02 | Guerin | cody: think about it. This is a channel where people volunteer hundreds of hours of their time to help others use this OS. Not windows. |
| 06:23.05 | sauvin | Codym Guerin's an ass, but he does have a good sense of what's easy and what isn't. If you're being nailed for laziness, I'd listen, if I were you. Just out of idle curiosity, what IS the problem? |
| 06:23.31 | Guerin | sauvin: the problem is that he's too boneheaded to realise he already got the fucking answer three or so times. |
| 06:23.59 | jim | windows programming is not something they want to do, period... you'd need to multiply your figure by 10 to get someone to even open an editor under windows |
| 06:24.15 | sauvin | 100. I'd have to FIND one first. |
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| 06:24.50 | cody | sauvin, "Previously I had an "exe" file that accomplished it to my satisfaction. I entered the user-name I wanted and the program kept all those lines by that user-name and deleted the others." |
| 06:24.57 | MolePrince | Would it be silly to ask if Lenny is more secure than Sid? |
| 06:25.01 | cody | sauvin, I need such a program once again. |
| 06:25.13 | sauvin | You need grep. |
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| 06:25.22 | Guerin | MolePrince: not really. It's not an easy yes/no question. The answer is `usually'. |
| 06:25.30 | jim | the fact you don't have it now is interesting... how did that happen? |
| 06:25.40 | cody | It takes the logged e-correspondence data I have copied to the text file and it parses that text file as above. |
| 06:26.09 | cody | I require it to be Windows-based, if you are to be compensated. |
| 06:26.10 | grub | where does linux store the pci device name and the actual name? |
| 06:26.14 | jim | cody: just install grep and learn how to use it |
| 06:26.34 | cody | jim, The program got lost somewhere along the way. |
| 06:26.46 | cody | jim, I might have thought I didn't need it anymore and failed to copy it to a removable disk. |
| 06:27.06 | cody | grep for Windows? |
| 06:27.12 | jim | cody: do you realize that at least one person is saying thet it would be hard for you to get people to do it for under 5 -grand-? |
| 06:27.18 | sauvin | points out the existence of ##linux for general use of common linux/unix tools, and #windows for stuff specific to M$poop |
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| 06:27.46 | cody | I really have very little patience for programs like grep. |
| 06:27.52 | cody | I would prefer one specialized just for this purpose. |
| 06:28.02 | sauvin | Grep exists for windows. So does perl, awk, sed and craploads of others. If you don't want to abandon Windows but want a full suite of Unix tools, investigate cygwin. |
| 06:28.03 | jim | then you're not going to get this done cheaply. |
| 06:28.16 | cody | jim, I had it done for me before free of charge. |
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| 06:28.21 | cody | jim, By a talented samaritan. |
| 06:28.26 | jim | by someone WILLING to do it |
| 06:28.27 | sauvin | We're not a charity. Go away. |
| 06:28.29 | Guerin | cody: not very talented. |
| 06:28.32 | cody | jim, I am this time offering $50 to the best and fastest solution. |
| 06:28.32 | \amethyst | cody: why are you asking in a Unix channel if you want 'one specialized just for this purpose'? |
| 06:28.34 | jim | do you see anyone like that here? |
| 06:28.49 | MolePrince | Guerin: I'm wondering about being stable/secure enough to bring to DefCon this summer. :) |
| 06:28.50 | \amethyst | cody: have you tried ##windows? |
| 06:29.08 | cody | I think I am going to go. |
| 06:29.11 | Guerin | MolePrince: Which? Either's security depends on its administrator. |
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| 06:29.18 | Guerin | cody: please fucking do |
| 06:29.21 | cody | It looks like none of you are getting that $50. |
| 06:29.25 | jim | cody: seriously... get a clue |
| 06:29.28 | cody | You can think long and hard about that. |
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| 06:29.40 | MolePrince | cody: I've made 50$ just in the time I've been listening to you.. |
| 06:29.41 | \amethyst | I won't think all that long about $50 |
| 06:31.30 | jim | cody, you don't like grep? you don't like very fast solutions then... you have no idea about "use the right tool for the job" |
| 06:31.44 | xingu | CAD50 might be about as useful as an ashtray on a bike to me but at least it's still worth something |
| 06:32.05 | cody | Clearly we have a deficiency of hard-working *Americans* in this channel. |
| 06:32.13 | cody | Must be European hour. |
| 06:32.20 | sauvin | is in Illinois |
| 06:32.41 | prolix | amazing |
| 06:32.46 | jim | cody, you're still not getting this, and it's starting to be laughable |
| 06:33.03 | sauvin | It is, in fact, something like 6:32 in Great Britain, and 7:32 in western France. |
| 06:33.06 | cody | jim, I can click on grep and it will open up? |
| 06:33.26 | sauvin | In the morning, that is. They're all still drinking their coffee and trying to wake up. |
| 06:33.28 | cody | jim, I think I have to call it from the console. |
| 06:33.38 | cody | jim, Then what do I type to get it to do what I want it to do? |
| 06:33.40 | sauvin | blinks |
| 06:33.40 | jim | you could do that |
| 06:34.02 | jim | or you could use a scripting language that has bindings to GUI elements |
| 06:34.11 | sauvin | Try this: grep -i "text" file, where "text" is what you want to match. |
| 06:34.13 | jim | as well as greplike facilities |
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| 06:35.00 | jim | but I'd start with the simple command-line solution first |
| 06:35.05 | pmv | haha |
| 06:35.09 | jim | because that will get you gong |
| 06:35.12 | pmv | americans eh |
| 06:35.12 | jim | going |
| 06:35.24 | jim | canadians, eh? |
| 06:35.32 | xingu | sauvin: is the scope really that trivial? sounds like this guy needs to be hit over the head with the windows help entry for the findstr builtin if so |
| 06:35.36 | cody | sauvin, I want all lines from the specified user to be retained. |
| 06:35.44 | cody | ALL the other lines are to be deleted. |
| 06:35.48 | sauvin | My skin ain't black; my neck is red. I put MAR JAR RINE on my WON DER BREAD! |
| 06:36.04 | cody | I am going away. |
| 06:36.09 | cody | I don't have the patience. |
| 06:36.19 | cody | If you want your $50, I need a complete solution ASAP. |
| 06:36.21 | sauvin | I guess Cody is an American. |
| 06:36.27 | jim | at least you have your 50 bux :) |
| 06:36.29 | prolix | america rules |
| 06:36.36 | prolix | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.43 | pmv | shivers in his capitalist presence |
| 06:36.43 | cody | I don't know how to use grep. |
| 06:36.47 | cody | You tell me what to type. |
| 06:36.50 | jim | it's -easy- |
| 06:36.54 | sauvin | Yup. American. I DID tell you what to type. |
| 06:36.56 | xingu | I'm wondering what a north mexican is doing irc'ing from ucalgary |
| 06:37.05 | cody | $10 for trouble-free grep instructions. |
| 06:37.11 | jim | grep "^putusernamehere" |
| 06:37.13 | pmv | hahaha |
| 06:37.21 | pmv | well, grep -i |
| 06:37.25 | pmv | er |
| 06:37.26 | pmv | v |
| 06:37.29 | pmv | grep -v |
| 06:37.39 | pmv | windows shell has grep now? |
| 06:37.41 | sauvin | -i. -v is exclusion. |
| 06:37.49 | jim | no, I thought it was -v but it turns out he wants the opposite sense |
| 06:38.02 | pmv | ohh |
| 06:38.07 | pmv | okay |
| 06:38.15 | sauvin | Suppose he wants to keep everything Sauvin said. The syntax I'd use is grep -i sauvin logfile |
| 06:38.15 | pmv | well -i is case-insensitivity |
| 06:38.24 | jim | ahh, does he want that? |
| 06:38.28 | prolix | there's no grep in windows, is there? |
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| 06:38.31 | pmv | why the -i? |
| 06:38.34 | jim | there can be |
| 06:38.41 | sauvin | Because I might be Sauvin, or I might be sauvin. |
| 06:38.42 | pmv | well, it is part of gnu tools in cygwin |
| 06:38.51 | xingu | prolix: findstr, since oh forever. |
| 06:38.51 | prolix | oh. the chimera |
| 06:38.52 | sauvin | Hell, on a bad keyboard night, I might be SaUvIn. |
| 06:38.55 | jim | i might be jim or I might be jim! |
| 06:39.05 | pmv | ah, okay |
| 06:39.08 | xingu | prolix: no real regex, but should be good for case insensitive match |
| 06:39.18 | pmv | xingu, really? by default? |
| 06:39.23 | cafuego | This "I'll pay you as long as I don't need to use my brain for anything" attitude is disturbing. |
| 06:39.23 | xingu | oh yes. |
| 06:39.24 | pmv | I know I have used the windows 'find' |
| 06:39.37 | pmv | but I have not seen a grep |
| 06:39.42 | cafuego | I' |
| 06:39.43 | sauvin | yea, I think Windows DOES have a "find" or "match" command, something similar intent. I tried it but was completely underwhelmed. |
| 06:39.48 | jim | cody: you're going to have to figure out how you're going to feed the grep and have it output to a file |
| 06:39.51 | MolePrince | !rt73 |
| 06:39.51 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2573/RT2671 (rt73) is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT73_Linux_STA_Drv1.0.4.0.tar.gz. Enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt73-cvs-daily.tar.gz (the required 'rt73.bin' firmware file is included). Also ask me about <rt2x00>. |
| 06:39.53 | pmv | and I have done my fair share of batch scripting |
| 06:39.54 | cafuego | ll raise you a 'man grep' for that $10 though |
| 06:40.06 | MolePrince | !rt2x00 |
| 06:40.07 | dpkg | The rt2x00 project (http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/) provides next-generation drivers (rt2x00) for the <Ralink> rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61 and rt73 chipsets. Packaged in Debian as 'rt2x00-source'. Read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. |
| 06:40.21 | sauvin | cafuego, have pity on the poor guy, eh? It's clear enough he doesn't understand English. |
| 06:40.29 | pmv | lol |
| 06:40.43 | xingu | sauvin: that's his text2canuck filter playing up |
| 06:40.48 | cafuego | english are hard |
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| 06:41.05 | cafuego | Crap, forgot to drop the 'g' ;-) |
| 06:41.12 | rrbox | is xfree86 avail to apt-get ? |
| 06:41.15 | prolix | is the windows guy still there? |
| 06:41.19 | pmv | xingu, where is this windows grep? windows\win32? |
| 06:41.31 | cafuego | rrbox: Not in etch i think, the license changed... |
| 06:41.32 | sauvin | <---------------- da gibt's fuer die Deutsche, et pour les francais, la-haut -----------------------------------> |
| 06:41.35 | xingu | pmv: findstr, god knows. |
| 06:41.43 | pmv | ah |
| 06:41.50 | pmv | so not exactly grep then |
| 06:41.51 | xingu | pmv: might even be a cmd.exe builtin for all I know |
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| 06:41.59 | sauvin | I thought it was an external. |
| 06:42.04 | rrbox | cafuego: or is there another light X manager for an older box to use ? |
| 06:42.06 | pmv | findstr does regexp match as well? |
| 06:42.09 | pmv | find does not |
| 06:42.12 | xingu | pmv: no |
| 06:42.15 | jim | what's truthfully clear is he doesn't want to do it himself but he doesn't realize that people just don't want to deal with windows anything |
| 06:42.24 | cafuego | rrbox: Eh. |
| 06:42.25 | xingu | pmv: hence, asking if the scope is that braindamagedly narrow earlier |
| 06:42.27 | johnf | are there any catches to preseeding and then dpkg-reconfigure already installed packages? |
| 06:42.33 | cafuego | rrbox: You'll need an X server and a window manager. |
| 06:42.35 | prolix | findstgr /C:"enter string" filename' |
| 06:42.49 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 06:42.50 | prolix | without the |
| 06:42.52 | prolix | ' |
| 06:42.54 | cafuego | rrbox: I'd go xserver-xorg (xfree, but a bit newer) and say openbox or fluxbox. |
| 06:43.01 | jim | and the g? :) |
| 06:43.06 | prolix | and the g |
| 06:43.08 | prolix | ha |
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| 06:43.11 | xingu | the g is silent |
| 06:43.13 | xingu | just ask cafuego |
| 06:43.15 | Guerin | this guy is toying with y'all |
| 06:43.15 | pmv | haha, okay. I actually walked over to a windows boxed to check |
| 06:43.25 | rrbox | cafuego: i got xfce4, but was trying to avoid xorg |
| 06:43.29 | pmv | there is a find, and there is a somewhat-regexp-friendly findstr |
| 06:43.37 | sauvin | The ONLY reason I have wine installed on my debian is that I need a Windows program because it's the only thing I've ever found that can decrypt Lionsgate DVDs. |
| 06:43.43 | cafuego | johnf: It'd just overwrite and then configure, wouldn't it? |
| 06:43.50 | cafuego | johnf: hi, btw :-) |
| 06:43.57 | xingu | pmv: handily, the latter has a windows help entry, too. |
| 06:44.06 | xingu | documents usage and _everything_ |
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| 06:44.14 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 06:44.21 | tengulre | how to install a .deb file? |
| 06:44.30 | cafuego | tengulre: dpkg -i <debfile> |
| 06:44.33 | jim | dpkg -i something.deb |
| 06:44.33 | dpkg | installs something.deb into jim's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 06:44.37 | xingu | tengulre: I find a nine iron helps |
| 06:44.44 | jim | dpkg: jim |
| 06:44.45 | dpkg | well, jim is jim |
| 06:44.50 | pmv | xingu, yup :) |
| 06:44.57 | pmv | or you can do findstr /? |
| 06:44.57 | tengulre | tks |
| 06:45.01 | cafuego | tengulre: Normally you wouldn't download deb files, but use 'apt-get' install packages from a repository. |
| 06:45.13 | tengulre | cafuego: OK! ;) |
| 06:45.24 | johnf | cafuego: hi :) Well I'm doing echo "postfix/relayhostTABmail.vquence.cm" | debconf-get-selection then I dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive postfix. And nothing changes. |
| 06:45.26 | jim | originally you would do that, but that was years ago |
| 06:45.26 | sauvin | I _have_ downloaded deb files, though. |
| 06:45.42 | johnf | postfix seems to do a db_fset postfix/relayhosts changed, which is returning false |
| 06:45.51 | jim | make sure this .deb has its requirements met by what you have installed |
| 06:46.54 | cafuego | johnf: To be honest, I've never set a postfix relayhost via debconf |
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| 06:47.37 | jim | hey, you know how ls (with implied -C) does that column-first sorting of its file listings |
| 06:47.58 | sauvin | Mm? |
| 06:48.01 | jim | is that factored such that it can be used more generally? |
| 06:48.16 | sauvin | How do you mean? |
| 06:48.30 | pmv | jim, you mean the string printing function? |
| 06:48.35 | pmv | that can do columns like that? |
| 06:48.39 | jim | I'll demo this in 2 lines |
| 06:48.43 | jim | aa cc |
| 06:48.46 | jim | bb dd |
| 06:48.56 | pmv | oh the sorting? |
| 06:49.01 | pmv | cus the columns you can do with printf |
| 06:49.04 | jim | yeah :) |
| 06:49.10 | sauvin | You want to change what column you wanted sorted on? |
| 06:49.22 | pmv | nothing some array-fu cannot do :) |
| 06:49.29 | jim | I mean, can I feed a list to it, and have it sort and columnize like that? |
| 06:49.42 | xingu | jim: pr can do that sort of thing. |
| 06:49.42 | pmv | jim, pay me $50 and I will do it :) |
| 06:49.58 | sauvin | Can't sort sort on columns? |
| 06:50.32 | jim | so if I say something like: echo dd aa bb cc | (somecommand) |
| 06:50.36 | xingu | jim: ...| sort | pr... |
| 06:50.39 | jim | it outputs as above |
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| 06:50.50 | pmv | jim, that is a simple shell script |
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| 06:51.35 | pmv | figure out or will you pose it as a challenge? |
| 06:51.50 | pmv | I would gladly do this over cody's |
| 06:51.52 | pmv | :) |
| 06:52.35 | sauvin | Unless there's something I'm not understanding, perl would eat that kind of task in a single gulp and not even burp. |
| 06:52.38 | cafuego | johnf: Mine returns false on "db_fget postfix/relayhost changed" even though it HAS changed |
| 06:52.52 | pmv | that is why I am holding off on actually doing it |
| 06:53.04 | pmv | sh can do it as easily |
| 06:53.07 | jim | nono, pr isn't doing the right thing |
| 06:53.10 | cafuego | johnf: I think you may want to check the value of "db_get postfix/relayhost" |
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| 06:53.47 | sauvin | No, it can't. sh is absolutely useless for the perfectly reasonable and inescapable reason that I don't know sh at all. :D |
| 06:53.48 | jim | xingu: if you were to do an ls in a fairly large dir... you'd get some columns |
| 06:53.57 | pmv | haha |
| 06:54.10 | cody | jim, How to feed grep and output the file? |
| 06:54.11 | jim | sauvin: inescapable? :) |
| 06:54.24 | cody | I told you have very little patience for Unix stuff. |
| 06:54.25 | pmv | fine, I take the challenge, hehe |
| 06:54.27 | sauvin | Think about it, though. It's true. It doesn't matter how well $language can do a task, if I don't know $language, it can't do it. :D |
| 06:54.32 | jim | you need a temporary file |
| 06:54.33 | cafuego | johnf: Stab it with a "db_set postfix/relayhost mail.vquence.com" and "postconf -e relayhost=mail.vquence.com" |
| 06:54.33 | Guerin | !ops can we please fucking ban cody already, you slack fuckers? |
| 06:54.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: can we please fucking ban cody already, you slack fuckers |
| 06:54.41 | cafuego | that's what the postsinst does anyway |
| 06:54.42 | MolePrince | !kernels |
| 06:54.43 | sauvin | Cody, this is a unix channel. If you don't like it, GO AWAY. |
| 06:54.43 | liable | heh |
| 06:54.44 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.24.3, prepatch: 2.6.25-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.25-rc6-git1, 2.4: 2.4.36.2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-rc5-mm1 |
| 06:55.01 | jim | damn :) talk about a double ban challenge :) |
| 06:55.12 | cody | I came here for a programmer and you damned well know that. |
| 06:55.12 | xingu | jim: seq 1 24 | sort | pr -t -8 |
| 06:55.13 | Guerin | wouldn't be the first time |
| 06:55.14 | streuner | Guerin: that doesnt work _so_ ... |
| 06:55.16 | cody | Don't give me that attitude. |
| 06:55.20 | sauvin | Where do debian ops hang out, does anybody know? |
| 06:55.23 | pmv | aw do not bully him. now he is going to take it out on his unix guys. |
| 06:55.25 | Guerin | cody: fuck oiff, you half-wit |
| 06:55.36 | xingu | jim: for example; if you give me more scope I can help you solve the problem more precisely :) |
| 06:55.48 | pmv | can I assume 80 columns? :) |
| 06:55.56 | pmv | terminal resolution I mean |
| 06:56.07 | johnf | cafuego: thanks. That might do the trick |
| 06:56.11 | cafuego | cody: If you came here to talk windows stuff with a specific person, take it off-channel. |
| 06:56.20 | prolix | cody: findstr /C:"enter string" filename > newfilename.txt |
| 06:56.21 | jim | xingu: I'd like to get the thing that ls uses to format the columns pretty much exactly |
| 06:56.21 | pmv | cus I don wanna mess around with termcap stuff |
| 06:56.38 | prolix | or whatever format you want |
| 06:56.42 | cody | cafuego, No. I came here to recruit a programmer for an on-the-spot project yielding $50. |
| 06:56.45 | streuner | cody: and DO NOT use <enter> too MUCH! |
| 06:56.48 | pmv | jim, gimme 10 mins |
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| 06:56.55 | cafuego | cody: That doesn't sound like debian support to me. |
| 06:57.06 | cafuego | But oh well |
| 06:57.22 | cody | prolix has it right? |
| 06:57.31 | Guerin | cody: you've just walked into a 5-star restaurant and asked for a fucking happy meal. And you wonder why you get told to stick your fifty up your arse? |
| 06:57.34 | cody | what is that /C: for? |
| 06:57.38 | streuner | Guerin: you should know better, that doesn't work so |
| 06:57.50 | sauvin | Case insensitive, I would presuem. |
| 06:57.52 | Guerin | streuner: i've had just about enough of your lip, young man |
| 06:57.52 | sauvin | Presume, even. |
| 06:57.57 | cafuego | prolix: Mind taking it to PM with cody? Think of the children! |
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| 06:58.01 | pmv | cody, ya, type that up, put it in a file, end it with .bat, then you can double-click on it |
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| 06:58.06 | cody | That is not going to do it, prolix. |
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| 06:58.12 | prolix | it will work |
| 06:58.15 | Guerin | cody: how the fuck would YOU know? |
| 06:58.18 | cody | I need ALL THE TEXT FROM THE SPECIFIED USER RETAINED. The text from the other user DELETED. |
| 06:58.28 | cody | This is not such a simple task. |
| 06:58.30 | prolix | the /C concatenates the string as one variable |
| 06:58.33 | Guerin | yes, it fucking IS |
| 06:58.34 | prolix | that'll work |
| 06:58.43 | xingu | jim: it's not too far off that; the main difference being that ls uses variable width columns chosen for the longest filename; I don't think pr is able to do _that_ - it wants finite # of columns because it works on a stream (the other requires a buffer) |
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| 06:58.51 | prolix | now please, no more interrupting the learning |
| 06:59.02 | sauvin | Learning? |
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| 06:59.08 | cody | Guerin, Then why are you not delivering the goods and walking out with your $50? |
| 06:59.09 | prolix | i'm new to debian |
| 06:59.18 | sauvin | cody has said flat out he doesn't want to learn a damn thing. |
| 06:59.22 | jim | and linux/unix? |
| 06:59.30 | jim | that's no fun |
| 06:59.36 | cody | sauvin, You're damned right I don't want to learn. This is not my job. |
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| 06:59.41 | Guerin | cody: because I don't fucking want your imaginary fifty bucks. What I want is for you to fuck off to expertsexchange or somesuch imbecilic place. |
| 07:00.05 | xingu | jim: but if you can preconceive the widest column/ number of columns per page (either) then pr will work as per "pr -t -8" or whatever. |
| 07:00.08 | Guerin | your job is being a porkchop in a synagogue, from what I figure |
| 07:00.09 | cafuego | gives Guerin a chill-suppository |
| 07:00.12 | sauvin | There is a ##windows channel, cody. Use it. |
| 07:00.18 | cody | sauvin, I am sick and tired of waiting on these incompetents. $50 is being offered and what have they got to show for it? |
| 07:00.22 | xingu | jim: with flow down first then left ordering (like newsprint) |
| 07:00.27 | xingu | s/left/right/ |
| 07:00.28 | cafuego | Oh crap, that was the kimchi |
| 07:00.35 | streuner | cody: its not oures to learn for you..., if you not willing to read and learn, you shouldnt use *nix at all. But keep in mind, you *have* to learn in EVERY OS... |
| 07:00.52 | xingu | jim: if you need variable width columns you need a page-at-a-time buffer which means tricky awk or so-so perl. |
| 07:00.59 | jim | xingu: right, is there a way to factor ls to do that? |
| 07:00.59 | cody | streuner, I am paying you to get your ass in motion and deliver the goods. |
| 07:01.05 | cody | streuner, What part of that don't you understand? |
| 07:01.33 | Guerin | cody: the bit where you're in the WRONG SHOP. |
| 07:01.42 | prolix | cody: i just gave you a viable solution to your problem |
| 07:01.43 | xingu | jim: no; because ls is taking a linked-list (probably, or maybe just a stack) of _all_ filenames and _then_ sorting them them for output (ie it uses a buffer) |
| 07:01.53 | prolix | cody: you're a troll, man |
| 07:02.00 | jim | you're a mantroll! |
| 07:02.03 | streuner | rather lazy fuck |
| 07:02.12 | Guerin | honestly, if you actually WANT a result you'll ask someone who gives a fuck. We patently don't want to fulfill your request. |
| 07:02.15 | jim | feather lazy duck! |
| 07:02.20 | streuner | hehe |
| 07:02.29 | cafuego | purple monkey dishwasher |
| 07:02.56 | sauvin | Feh, he's much more advanced than that. If it's not his job to learn, it's obvious he's the floor sweeper at McDonald's. |
| 07:03.07 | Guerin | even that guy has to learn |
| 07:03.24 | Guerin | but this guy is a BUSINESSMAN |
| 07:03.28 | xingu | maybe he's the ceo of bear stearns |
| 07:03.34 | streuner | Guerin: oh |
| 07:03.36 | Guerin | you know, the economic engine room off the world? |
| 07:03.37 | jim | he's not doing much business now :P |
| 07:03.46 | streuner | Guerin: thats a total different situation then ;-) |
| 07:03.50 | cafuego | Business man? Angry teenager, you mean? |
| 07:04.05 | sauvin | Guerin, je ne te coupe pas les cheveux, on peut s'affranchir a McDonald's DANS LES ETATS UNIS sans pouvoir parler un mot d'anglais. On l'a FAIT. |
| 07:04.07 | jim | Guerin: and you did -not- typo when you said "off the world" too |
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| 07:04.34 | MaceN800 | hi |
| 07:04.47 | Guerin | cody: hell, I can only go on what he claims. My bet is that he's just too stupid to complete a junior hiskool computing class assignment. |
| 07:05.01 | Guerin | sauvin: je suis not fucking french, mate. |
| 07:05.19 | sauvin | Yup, but the point remains, what I just said is enough to get hired at McDonald's. |
| 07:05.56 | sauvin | Pretty obvious, too. "Yu wan Numma Too soo sigh an Cok?" |
| 07:06.32 | prolix | non, je voudrais le royal |
| 07:06.39 | jim | cheep! cheep! koke! koke! cheeeebugga! |
| 07:06.40 | sauvin | hee hee |
| 07:07.03 | sauvin | An no chee! No like a chee! |
| 07:07.11 | prolix | haha |
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| 07:08.12 | sauvin | wonders how McDonald's restaurants in remote rural areas manage to conduct their stupid motivational courses with folks who speak no English |
| 07:08.45 | MaceN800 | sauvin i think the funniest thing i saw was a hindu working at burger king in singapore |
| 07:08.56 | jim | cody: if you want to EVER hope to get people to do what you want in a world where people don't know how to do what they do, you need to treat them well... and being cheap and attitude-ridden is not gonna cut it, not at all |
| 07:08.57 | sauvin | AGH! |
| 07:09.03 | MaceN800 | figure that one out |
| 07:09.11 | MaceN800 | serving relatives to the masses like that |
| 07:09.20 | sauvin | Especially if he was Brahmist (sp?). That HAD to rankle. |
| 07:09.38 | jim | wow... how long did it take before he ran out of relatives?! |
| 07:09.47 | MaceN800 | i'm sure not long |
| 07:09.55 | MaceN800 | singapore was pretty booming that night on orchard |
| 07:10.05 | MaceN800 | nice place though |
| 07:10.14 | MaceN800 | the electronics stores are amazing |
| 07:10.21 | jim | in what way |
| 07:10.21 | MaceN800 | and the american dollar still has some buying power there |
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| 07:10.30 | sauvin | wonders if Singaporean McDonald's serve up Moo Goo Gai McPan... |
| 07:10.31 | MaceN800 | oh. just sheer size and prices |
| 07:10.50 | MaceN800 | the smallest electronics place in singapore puts anything in the us to shame |
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| 07:11.02 | MaceN800 | it's like a 6 story building laced from top to bottom with cheap electronics |
| 07:11.03 | xingu | MaceN800: yeah, temasek's still got a dirty great hole where theirs used to be |
| 07:11.14 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 07:11.15 | jim | do they have places that cater to electronic experimentors? |
| 07:11.28 | xingu | MaceN800: (their greenbacks that is) |
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| 07:11.48 | sauvin | Probably. Singapore, Malaysia and environs are the world's suppliers for things like resistors, transistors, breadboards and etc. |
| 07:11.57 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 07:12.06 | MaceN800 | singapore also has legal prostitution |
| 07:12.16 | MaceN800 | that by itself makes it a superior society |
| 07:12.19 | sauvin | I've heard you can buy a bag of resistors for basically a bag of rice. |
| 07:12.43 | MaceN800 | unfortunately finding a woman who is not a prostitute proves to be rather difficult |
| 07:12.46 | xingu | you can't eat or distil resistors though |
| 07:13.11 | jim | well distilling resistors is pointless |
| 07:13.19 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 07:13.23 | jim | especially if not at their boiling point |
| 07:13.25 | simonrvn | regarding women as a tradable commondity isn't superior, it's degrading |
| 07:13.41 | MaceN800 | there are male prostitutes too |
| 07:13.48 | simonrvn | commodity* |
| 07:13.52 | MaceN800 | and it is only degrading due to taboo |
| 07:13.55 | simonrvn | same thing |
| 07:14.02 | jim | the women do that for themselves, by choice due to necessity |
| 07:14.13 | MaceN800 | some do it just to do it |
| 07:14.24 | simonrvn | jim: right, keep telling yourself that |
| 07:14.42 | simonrvn | </2 cents> |
| 07:14.44 | streuner | !ot |
| 07:14.44 | dpkg | ot is, like, Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 07:14.45 | MaceN800 | we are such prunes in the united states |
| 07:14.52 | MaceN800 | who says sex as a commidity is degrading? |
| 07:14.58 | wols_ | simonrvn: legistlating it out of existnece and putting those women who violate it in jail isn't really a solution either |
| 07:15.01 | wols_ | both ways suck |
| 07:15.04 | streuner | !factinfo ot |
| 07:15.04 | dpkg | ot -- last modified at Mon Jan 14 18:56:39 2008 by azeem!n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-46-161.dynamic.mnet-online.de; it has been requested 51 times, last by streuner, 20s ago. |
| 07:15.05 | MaceN800 | usually they are the ones not getting any |
| 07:15.06 | MaceN800 | haha |
| 07:15.18 | simonrvn | MaceN800: who says i'm in the u.s.? |
| 07:15.28 | xingu | MaceN800's a tai tai guy |
| 07:15.32 | n0mad | hi, with methods (ifconfig is enough, to see?) is most informative to check what aliases is set to ethernet card ? |
| 07:15.36 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 07:15.38 | simonrvn | wols_: of course it doesn't work. having a real choice does |
| 07:15.46 | MaceN800 | tu che' |
| 07:15.54 | simonrvn | that's all i'm saying on the matter |
| 07:16.02 | cafuego | oh jesus |
| 07:16.18 | wols_ | simonrvn: which is kinda hard to provide btw. heck a trophy wife is legalized prostitution in my eyes |
| 07:16.19 | MaceN800 | ah well.. i have to do work type stuff. just wanted to test the fix for this su-8w on my n800 |
| 07:16.27 | sauvin | n0mad asked a legitimate question. |
| 07:16.47 | MaceN800 | repeat rate was just way too fast.. i'm suprised the newer firmware didn't fix it... it was just a problem with udev |
| 07:16.52 | simonrvn | wols_: agreed |
| 07:17.07 | streuner | !+tell wols_ -about ot |
| 07:17.07 | dpkg | told wols_ about ot. |
| 07:17.17 | jim | wols_: how is that different from any other wife? |
| 07:17.25 | simonrvn | n0mad: sure /sbin/ifconfig if you don't have the sbin/ dirs in your PATH |
| 07:17.29 | jim | marriage is a legal agreement |
| 07:18.01 | jim | trophy wives can still be in love |
| 07:18.13 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 07:18.26 | cafuego | my wife agrees |
| 07:18.28 | jim | and non-trophy wives, it's possible to not |
| 07:18.43 | MaceN800 | some women go out and find a husband just for money |
| 07:18.44 | jim | so |
| 07:18.45 | jim | what |
| 07:18.51 | MaceN800 | which in turns require sex |
| 07:18.59 | jim | err! argh! so what is the difference? |
| 07:19.08 | MaceN800 | i don't think there is one |
| 07:19.12 | MaceN800 | i am in agreement with you |
| 07:19.22 | MaceN800 | but to have sex for money outright is degrading? :) |
| 07:19.25 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 07:19.26 | dpkg | from memory, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 07:19.40 | MaceN800 | at least the woman is in more control of what she is doing... business is business |
| 07:19.44 | jim | might as well head over there... |
| 07:19.46 | MaceN800 | there are people who do far worse for money |
| 07:19.56 | MaceN800 | bbl |
| 07:19.57 | jim | go ahead and join #debian-offtopic |
| 07:20.15 | jim | like kill people, possibly on mass basis |
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| 07:20.56 | cody | jim, Says I'm banned. |
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| 07:21.05 | jim | from? |
| 07:21.14 | cody | #debian-offtopic. |
| 07:21.23 | cody | jim, They want me here instead? |
| 07:21.33 | jim | thanks for the giggle :) |
| 07:21.38 | jim | wonder why... |
| 07:22.18 | streuner | hrhr |
| 07:22.30 | cody | jim, You ever really loved a woman? |
| 07:22.38 | jim | ohh, webchat@*ucalgary is banned |
| 07:22.42 | streuner | jim: /msg chanserv access #debian-offtopic list |
| 07:22.48 | sauvin | webchat!? |
| 07:22.50 | fengor | cut the crappy lyrics cody ; p |
| 07:22.53 | jim | yeah :) |
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| 07:23.04 | xingu | aah, so that's that riddle solved. |
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| 07:23.15 | sauvin | We've been swapping spits with a webchat client!? |
| 07:23.24 | sauvin | needs a shower all of a sudden |
| 07:23.42 | jim | sauvin: emmadently :) |
| 07:24.29 | cody | jim, What if you really loved a woman not attracted to you? |
| 07:24.42 | jim | cody: NEXT ;) |
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| 07:24.52 | sauvin | I should have checked ID first. Getting tangled up in a battle of wits with somebody using webchat is usually every bit as challenging and as rewarding as getting into a fight with a hot, steaming pile of dogshit armed with a toothpick. |
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| 07:25.15 | jim | love is a -process-, and pretty much, you do that process to yourself, away from the love object |
| 07:25.20 | xingu | sauvin: ... like wrestling with a pig; after a while, you realise the pig enjoys it |
| 07:25.40 | cody | jim, You mean that you could never come to love someone not attracted to you? |
| 07:25.47 | jim | I'm not saying that |
| 07:26.12 | jim | but it is possible to navigate her resistance |
| 07:26.25 | cody | jim, What do you mean? |
| 07:26.26 | n0mad | simonrvn, ok thanks |
| 07:26.29 | jim | and it's -possible- she's worth it |
| 07:26.30 | xingu | jim: match her impedance ? |
| 07:26.43 | cody | jim, If your love didn't want sex with you, would you feel like a cuckold? |
| 07:26.49 | jim | pretty much |
| 07:27.31 | cody | jim, The testosterone would drain from your body and you would come to accept and embrace a cuckolded role? |
| 07:27.34 | jim | cody: there's WAYY much you don't know about my situation :) |
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| 07:28.02 | xingu | jim's a camgirl |
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| 07:29.20 | jim | xingu: match her impedance... not match it, but go on her ride |
| 07:30.00 | cody | jim, My friend is a married man but as far as I know has rarely had sex with his wife. |
| 07:30.28 | cody | jim, She's never been really attracted to him? Is that possible? |
| 07:30.30 | fengor | cody: please tell more abou tthe sexlife of your friends... ELSEWHERE |
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| 07:30.48 | cody | jim, One day he came to me, crying, that she was cuckolding him again. |
| 07:30.54 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 07:30.55 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@h44-41.reznet.ucalgary.ca] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:30.55 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:31.05 | fengor | thx don |
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| 07:31.34 | sauvin | YES!! |
| 07:32.32 | jim | a banner that's not a billboard! |
| 07:33.31 | dondelelcaro | folks, you can do everyone a favor by not engaging trolls on channel too. |
| 07:33.39 | dondelelcaro | just call for an operator, then ignore them. |
| 07:33.54 | xingu | operator? can you refund my dime? :) |
| 07:34.23 | jim | dime nuthin! I stuck 3 dollars in this thing! |
| 07:34.57 | jim | hmm, that was weird |
| 07:35.22 | streuner | jim: aren't you in #debian-offtopic? |
| 07:35.27 | jim | I am |
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| 07:35.37 | jim | no one's being off topic there! |
| 07:35.42 | jim | or on topic |
| 07:35.44 | streuner | haha |
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| 07:38.19 | zeitsofas | wünscht allen eine gute nacht |
| 07:38.21 | jim | doin a little test here... |
| 07:38.32 | jim | dime |
| 07:38.36 | streuner | dondelelcaro: true, he is a troll. |
| 07:38.39 | jim | dime nuthin! |
| 07:38.55 | jim | dime nuthin! I stuck 3 dollars in this thing! |
| 07:39.11 | wols_ | jim: please do tests ELSEWHERE |
| 07:39.33 | jim | hmm, ok, test over |
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| 07:39.41 | jim | had to do it here, was testing for a bot |
| 07:40.16 | jim | -TmR|screen`0ff- I'm sorry, but I'm away (TmR=0FF | Shell=0N) |
| 07:40.23 | jim | anyone else see that? |
| 07:40.34 | \amethyst | yes; your bot sucks |
| 07:41.04 | jim | no one told me I could have a bot here :P that thing isnt' mine |
| 07:41.17 | sauvin | always creates "here_there_be_bots" kinds of channels for that kind of crap |
| 07:41.27 | DogBoy | #test |
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| 07:42.27 | \amethyst | oh, checking for someone else who has a bot |
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| 07:42.53 | jim | right, I guess someone has an autoaway that didn't just go to me |
| 07:43.14 | jim | and the away didn't correspond to a thing I typed |
| 07:44.20 | jim | \amethyst: right, bot or autoresponder of some kind |
| 07:44.36 | jaggy- | where do I adjust the program settings (the x.desktop entries) I added to kde's quick launcher? |
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| 07:44.52 | jim | so no one else saw an away msg a few mins ago (as a /notice I think) |
| 07:45.08 | Penix | jaggy-: ask #kde |
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| 07:45.31 | streuner | #debian-kde |
| 07:45.34 | jaggy- | I found the launcher's panel config rc file, and it lists all the .desktop entries in it, but I can't locate those. Asked in KDE -- waiting for response there too. |
| 07:45.38 | jaggy- | oh.. I'm just in #kde |
| 07:45.43 | streuner | if you using debian |
| 07:45.51 | jaggy- | yessir. thanks. |
| 07:45.54 | sauvin | What are you looking for? |
| 07:46.09 | jim | either/both probably |
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| 07:46.14 | Penix | jaggy-: they're not custom .desktop files are they? |
| 07:46.24 | jaggy- | penix, some were, some weren't. |
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| 07:47.11 | jaggy- | I originally added them to the menu panel, then upon finding out about quick launcher I dragged them to it (and removed them from the main menu). I'm using quick launcher so I can specify the icon size |
| 07:48.24 | Penix | I'd assume the standard, non-custom launchers added from the K menu or whatever, would be pointing to something in /usr/share/applications |
| 07:48.52 | sauvin | I found those, once... moment... |
| 07:49.07 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.45 | sauvin | Hey... snoop around in /usr/share/menu for a moment. |
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| 07:50.16 | Penix | why? |
| 07:50.57 | jaggy- | ahh, very interesting. Perhaps it overwrote my icons then, preferring the original name. |
| 07:51.30 | jaggy- | I had modified the icons to specify, for example, konsole --type su -geometry whatever, etc. |
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| 07:52.02 | Penix | jaggy-: in that case, it's probably taking /usr/share/applications/konsole.desktop or something similar and copying it to a config dir in your home dir somewhere |
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| 07:53.20 | jaggy- | yeah, I see it is using names from there.. (the panel rc file is ~/.kde/share/config/launcher_panelapplet_d0gsnjblahblah_rc, and it contains one line with comma-separated .desktop entries) -- but I haven't found any copies of those .desktop entries yet. Still looking. |
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| 07:54.14 | Penix | jaggy-: do you have ~/.config/share/applications at all? |
| 07:54.20 | Penix | jaggy-: or something similar in .kde perhaps |
| 07:54.29 | sauvin | Mplayer is playing stuff from an .iso file without it first being mounted. This is simply too much. |
| 07:54.40 | wols_ | why too much? |
| 07:54.53 | sauvin | I can't figure out how it does that. |
| 07:54.55 | jaggy- | I think I found it here: /.kde/share/apps/kicker/konsolesu.desktop |
| 07:55.02 | Rhizome | Mplayer is a work of art |
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| 07:55.29 | sauvin | It's a freaking truck - a BIG one - it'll haul just about anything. |
| 07:55.39 | gynterk | i have Python2.4, but I need 2.3.5, what to do ? |
| 07:55.48 | jaggy- | I like xine too.. but I've used it more than mplayer |
| 07:55.48 | Penix | gynterk: which version of debian? |
| 07:55.50 | streuner | gynterk: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:56.17 | gynterk | etch |
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| 07:56.23 | gynterk | Penix, etch |
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| 07:56.34 | wols_ | !info python sarge |
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| 07:56.39 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 460 kB |
| 07:56.50 | gynterk | libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:57.02 | jim | you could foreport that |
| 07:57.28 | jaggy- | okay, so that is it -- last question, and I'm sorry for this kde-specific stuff -- how do you "properly" modify the files and contents of /.kde/share/apps/kicker/ (other than vi :)) |
| 07:57.30 | wols_ | he could use it directly |
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| 07:58.38 | jaggy- | #*kde are not as popular this time of night. I don't know what's wrong with them :) |
| 07:58.41 | Penix | jaggy-: besides manual editing, you're probably supposed to modify the entries through the kicker itself |
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| 07:59.31 | jaggy- | I wonder why quick launch doesn't allow a right-click -> configure this item |
| 07:59.44 | jaggy- | maybe it will in the future. |
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| 08:00.10 | Penix | could be by design. editing might be limited to normal launchers |
| 08:00.17 | jaggy- | I'm very happy with KDE .. first time using it as my desktop environment. I've used gnome for many years. |
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| 08:00.40 | gynterk | but is there a way to use 2 pythons at the same time ? |
| 08:00.42 | jaggy- | but I should point out that I've not used a "new" gnome -- not since 2 1/2 years ago :) |
| 08:00.51 | jaggy- | gynterk, sure.. they're slim and fit side by side. What's the problem? |
| 08:00.54 | Penix | gynterk: yes. many distros do it. including debian |
| 08:01.02 | gynterk | hmm |
| 08:01.10 | gynterk | but apt-get says it's not supported |
| 08:01.11 | Penix | gynterk: is there a reason you can't use 2.4 or 2.5? |
| 08:01.24 | gynterk | zope2.8.7 doesn't support 2.4.4 |
| 08:01.52 | gynterk | and for upgrading to zope 2.9 i need 2.8.7 first |
| 08:03.08 | Penix | quite a crappy corner you've painted yourself in to |
| 08:03.29 | gynterk | Penix, indeed |
| 08:04.13 | jaggy- | if the paths don't conflict, is there too much harm in force-installing the versions? |
| 08:05.15 | jaggy- | or, if they conflict, perhaps you'd need to build another python with some custom paths |
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| 08:05.26 | Penix | gynterk: could end up being a huge hassle, but rebuilding python 2.3 for an etch system might be your only hope |
| 08:05.34 | Penix | unless someone provides 2.3 packages for etch already |
| 08:05.50 | gynterk | hmz |
| 08:06.01 | streuner | that would be rather hard to find |
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| 08:06.17 | streuner | older versions for etch, newer version has better chances |
| 08:06.17 | Penix | yeah |
| 08:06.26 | gynterk | hmm |
| 08:06.35 | gynterk | wonder if theres possible to force build zope on 2.4 |
| 08:07.12 | streuner | gynterk: why arent you using zope out of etch? |
| 08:07.21 | gynterk | it's 2.9 |
| 08:07.32 | Penix | what's wrong with 2.9 + python 2.4? |
| 08:07.36 | streuner | so, what doesnt work in 2.9? |
| 08:08.03 | gynterk | plone2.1.4 doesnt wirk in 2.9 |
| 08:08.35 | Guerin | !dondelelcaro++ |
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| 08:08.48 | Penix | gynterk: and what's the reason for plone 2.1.4? |
| 08:08.52 | walkies_ | hello |
| 08:08.56 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: #debian needs more ops again. I nominate streuner |
| 08:09.00 | Penix | seems like you have a thing for out of date software |
| 08:09.02 | gynterk | can't upgrade because PloneArticle doesn't migrate |
| 08:09.07 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
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| 08:09.40 | Penix | time for the streuner smear campaign |
| 08:09.44 | Penix | eats babies... |
| 08:09.45 | gynterk | basically i need python2.3 too |
| 08:09.52 | gynterk | k, gona google that |
| 08:09.53 | gynterk | thanks |
| 08:10.11 | streuner | Guerin: the way it goes would rather "make an OP which is always here"... |
| 08:10.16 | Sypher | hello guys ... im here to ask for advice. i have a VPS, but its low on specs and i'd really like a panel or some way to easily manage virtual hosts for mail and bind9. Anyone got advice? everything else i can manage manually but those things are ... well ... ugly to do it so. |
| 08:12.29 | streuner | Guerin: 25 streuner65821622192129412135.6today |
| 08:12.39 | walkies_ | hey, once I've debootstrapped an etch system, could I configure it automatically as if I had been installing from the cd-rom? |
| 08:13.13 | streuner | Guerin: i would suggest someone who is under top-10 |
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| 08:13.45 | Penix | walkies_: in what way? tell it to fetch packages from the disc? |
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| 08:14.31 | walkies_ | well, to run scripts to configure the kernel, modules, fstab, network profiles, etc. |
| 08:15.09 | gynterk | basically ./configure --prefix=someotherpythondir should do the trick? |
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| 08:15.42 | Penix | gynterk: you're just gonna dig yourself deeper doing manual installations from non-debian source |
| 08:15.42 | walkies_ | hmm, I need to research |
| 08:16.46 | simonrvn | Guerin: 9 simonrvn 1365 3831148 8833 35.8 today "amanoel: get a colouring book" |
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| 08:17.38 | simonrvn | asmooh: dude |
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| 08:17.57 | simonrvn | dude_: not you |
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| 08:19.39 | dude_ | what? |
| 08:20.15 | streuner | Guerin: the problem was/is in that TZ (early morning europe and late evening)... |
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| 08:20.52 | streuner | in america |
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| 08:21.57 | simonrvn | asmooh: quit with the nick changing |
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| 08:22.46 | gynterk | let's pray that it'll work :P |
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| 08:23.34 | wols_ | !info zope sarge |
| 08:23.38 | dpkg | zope: (open source web application server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-1.8 (sarge), Packaged size: 2456 kB, Installed size: 12932 kB |
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| 08:23.58 | wols_ | grybel_: check snapshot.debian.net for other plone/zope versions |
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| 08:24.53 | the_sniff | anyone has any guidlines to pinpoint a source for high loads? |
| 08:25.06 | wols_ | the_sniff: top |
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| 08:27.58 | the_sniff | wols_: other than that? i do see some apache processes going crazy while others are ok (they randomly switch) |
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| 08:28.21 | the_sniff | could an old version of db objects even cause that? |
| 08:28.25 | wols_ | then someone creates lots of load by accessing your website. check your apache logs |
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| 08:28.54 | wols_ | anything that runs in the context of apache can |
| 08:29.49 | icesword | !autoremove |
| 08:29.49 | dpkg | i heard autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed. |
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| 08:30.01 | icesword | !purge |
| 08:30.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 08:30.24 | jetscreamer | !kill |
| 08:30.39 | simonrvn | !tell icesword -about selftell |
| 08:30.40 | streuner | icesword: /msg (message) dpkg (bot) kill (factoid) works too :-) |
| 08:31.05 | icesword | ohhhh,one is enough |
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| 08:31.16 | the_sniff | wols_: how can i make sure this is the problem? the server is kind of weak though it doesn't reach the memory limit and doesn't use that much swap |
| 08:31.36 | simonrvn | icesword: exactly how we feel |
| 08:31.55 | icesword | yes,you need express ,oullet,heeh |
| 08:32.00 | icesword | outlet |
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| 08:32.10 | the_sniff | wols_: i don't see excessive requests made to apache |
| 08:32.14 | walkies_ | hmm, I like debian based distributions, but have the feeling that a comfortable desktop work environment would be too hard to configure. I know you guys hate me. I was able to tweak ubuntu to my liking. |
| 08:32.29 | walkies_ | And this makes me hate myself to a level without compare. |
| 08:32.33 | simonrvn | sticks icesword's plug in the nearest outlet and watches him dance |
| 08:32.33 | Penix | walkies_: what couldn't you 'tweak' with debian? |
| 08:32.37 | wols_ | the_sniff: the number of requests aren't. it's what the request does which uses excessive amounts of cpu or i/o |
| 08:32.53 | jetscreamer | walkies_: sorry about that admin problem |
| 08:33.02 | walkies_ | : ) |
| 08:33.18 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: layer 8 problem apparently |
| 08:33.27 | streuner | walkies_: wrong, both DE's in Debian are well configured by default |
| 08:33.54 | Penix | and are both capable of the same thing. configuration wise |
| 08:33.54 | streuner | walkies_: GNOME or KDE are well configured, you dont need much work there |
| 08:33.57 | jetscreamer | walkies_: it's all a matter of taste |
| 08:34.03 | jetscreamer | whichever suits you |
| 08:34.21 | walkies_ | hmm |
| 08:34.37 | jetscreamer | whichever distro i mean |
| 08:34.38 | the_sniff | wols_: there's nothing big, few htm request few images |
| 08:34.46 | Penix | walkies_: if you're referring to configuring the look and feel of your gnome desktop, there's nothing really stopping you from doing the same under debian |
| 08:34.52 | walkies_ | it's not very hard to setup a compositing windows manager |
| 08:35.11 | Penix | walkies_: that's true of Ubuntu and Debian |
| 08:35.17 | walkies_ | .. and I could fix the trackpad.. |
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| 08:35.52 | Penix | walkies_: you might have to actually install something like compiz instead of it being default |
| 08:36.01 | Penix | that's not a lot to ask |
| 08:36.03 | wols_ | Penix: under etch it is |
| 08:36.09 | Penix | great. even better |
| 08:36.24 | walkies_ | is it very hard? |
| 08:36.48 | Penix | walkies_: apparently etch's Gnome defaults to compiz, so, no, it wouldn't be hard |
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| 08:37.48 | walkies_ | you know, the only big problem I had in debian was that my trackpad tracked very slowly no matter the settings I put into the GUI based configurator |
| 08:38.03 | walkies_ | that and the fact that I couldn't get wireless to work |
| 08:38.35 | walkies_ | I like the system that i've put together so much that I like to forget it's ubuntu |
| 08:38.43 | walkies_ | ... except when it has its moments |
| 08:39.03 | walkies_ | so I think I should persist and figure out debian proper |
| 08:39.13 | Penix | walkies_: Debian is worth investing a bit of time configuring those things |
| 08:39.17 | Penix | you'll be glad you did |
| 08:39.34 | Penix | walkies_: but, otherwise, if ubuntu works for you, then stick with it. it's up to you, obviously |
| 08:39.40 | Penix | just don't ask for ubuntu support here ;) |
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| 08:40.37 | walkies_ | all I ask for is a good terminal with transparency, vim, ruby, and anti-aliased text, and a desktop that scrolls over to another when drag a window across the edge :D |
| 08:41.00 | Penix | walkies_: believe it or not, Debian had all that before Ubuntu even existed |
| 08:41.03 | Penix | and still does |
| 08:41.20 | Penix | walkies_: loads of terminals support transparency, and Debian has everything else you mentioned |
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| 08:41.45 | walkies_ | hehe, I know, I know, I was just stating my manifesto :D |
| 08:41.47 | Penix | but, if you're using compiz, I don't know why you'd want fake transparency |
| 08:41.52 | Caelum | anyone getting spurious segfaults (on exit from various programs) in sid? |
| 08:41.59 | walkies_ | thankyou for the encouragement |
| 08:42.11 | Penix | Caelum: that's a bit vague. bad RAM perhaps? |
| 08:42.41 | walkies_ | what's the difference between lenny and sid? |
| 08:42.50 | Penix | walkies_: sid is the unstable branch, lenny is testing |
| 08:43.19 | Caelum | Penix: the programs do everything they're supposed to, just when apr_pool_destroy gets called (according to ltrace) around the time they're supposed to exit they segfault... |
| 08:43.23 | streuner | walkies_: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 08:43.46 | streuner | walkies_: that would tell you what are the most issues for both (unstable, testing) |
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| 08:44.06 | Penix | Caelum: isn't that some apache related thing? |
| 08:44.27 | jim | walkies_: if packages in sid get heavy enough (which they will if bugs don't eat them), they will drop into testing |
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| 08:44.48 | Caelum | Penix: yeah I think so...svn uses that too |
| 08:44.54 | the_sniff | can anyone help me locate the source of high loads with apache? |
| 08:45.02 | Caelum | oh well, will probably go away after this upgrade |
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| 08:45.10 | jim | highload.c? |
| 08:45.18 | streuner | the_sniff: #apache? |
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| 08:45.39 | the_sniff | streuner: maybe, if i was sure its an apache issue :S |
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| 08:45.56 | walkies_ | jim, how experienced does someone need to use sid, and is there a benefit to anyone that doesn't just intend on contributing to debian development? |
| 08:45.58 | streuner | the_sniff: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:46.17 | Penix | walkies_: a good basic rule is, if you can't deal with the breakages on your own, don't use it |
| 08:46.26 | the_sniff | streuner: just a sec the server is responding really slow |
| 08:46.32 | streuner | hm |
| 08:46.55 | jim | walkies_: many feel that if you're not reading the source of packages coming in and evaluating whether bugs form from the changes, maybe you shouldn't use sid... |
| 08:46.59 | jim | but |
| 08:47.00 | jim | it |
| 08:47.03 | jim | is up to you |
| 08:47.07 | Penix | the source? |
| 08:47.18 | the_sniff | i can paste two lines right? |
| 08:47.22 | Penix | why would you do that when there's a massive infrastructure set up to do that for you? |
| 08:47.22 | the_sniff | !paste |
| 08:47.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 08:47.25 | the_sniff | root@green:/var/log/apache# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 08:47.25 | the_sniff | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:47.25 | jim | sure. like: the kernel source. |
| 08:47.30 | the_sniff | streuner here ^ |
| 08:47.37 | Penix | jim: there's a bts for a reason |
| 08:47.46 | streuner | the_sniff: and you are using ONLY debian packages, right? |
| 08:47.58 | walkies_ | so it might be common for someone to find a bug in sid and just dutifully repair it and submit the change? |
| 08:48.20 | Penix | walkies_: yes, of course that's possible, but that doesn't mean you should use sid if you're new to debian |
| 08:48.29 | the_sniff | streuner i didn't install the server but im nearly positive, the apache is a debian package for sure |
| 08:48.52 | streuner | the_sniff: tell us please the output of "ps aux" in paste.debian.net |
| 08:48.55 | Penix | the_sniff: find out for sure |
| 08:49.01 | jim | Penix: as things get more and more unstable, the ratio between known bugs and unknown bugs gets lower and lower... |
| 08:49.22 | walkies_ | sid users must be brave :D |
| 08:49.25 | the_sniff | argh i hate this server :S |
| 08:49.30 | jim | sid is where the action is |
| 08:49.33 | wols_ | walkies_: just foolish |
| 08:49.44 | the_sniff | streuner: will do when it respondes again :p |
| 08:49.51 | simonrvn | s,foolish,crazy, |
| 08:49.58 | streuner | the_sniff: sure |
| 08:50.07 | Penix | nuclear reactors are also where the action is |
| 08:50.23 | jim | Penix: thanks for making my point :) |
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| 08:50.48 | jmut | anyone having this new laptop where "hardware" volume contron on front is actually software dependent? also when plug the headset infront... sound still goes out from speaker and not headset? I am experiencing this now..thought it's broken..but installing windows prooved it's not :( |
| 08:50.49 | walkies_ | I can see crazy, but I can also see wanting to be around the newest code to play with it as soon as it arrives |
| 08:51.07 | jim | you can always build anything you want |
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| 08:51.53 | jim | you wouldn't use sid to do real work... |
| 08:52.07 | jmut | walkies_: using sidux? |
| 08:52.46 | walkies_ | no, I've been using ubuntu, I think it's time to continue my babysteps with debian |
| 08:52.48 | the_sniff | Penix: what package? only ones that might not be debian is postfix apache and mysql and they are debian |
| 08:52.51 | tarzeau | jim: experimental has some action too |
| 08:53.12 | Penix | the_sniff: read what you just said.... |
| 08:53.18 | jim | if you do and you're not reading source and backing up your hd and movable sections of it, that is a hard drive waitng to be formatted at random :) (ok, so that's somewhat extreme, but not impossible) |
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| 08:53.27 | Penix | unable to parse |
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| 08:53.37 | jmut | walkies_: not to be flamy or something but from little I saw they seem veery similar. |
| 08:53.55 | the_sniff | Penix: you told me to make sure, so im asking which out of what i just checked |
| 08:53.56 | streuner | well, in that context it sounds like you dont use debian's apache package |
| 08:54.23 | the_sniff | but i am :s |
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| 08:54.38 | walkies_ | jmut: debian and sidux? or the former and ubuntu? |
| 08:54.43 | streuner | its also bad, that you didnt install the server for youself |
| 08:54.47 | Penix | the_sniff: all I can gather from your previous statement is that...postfix, apache and mysql are the only packages that might *not* be official debian packages, but at the same time, you're sure they *are* |
| 08:54.48 | the_sniff | http://rafb.net/p/advilo48.html |
| 08:54.49 | jmut | walkies_: debian ubuntu |
| 08:54.55 | the_sniff | whats sh_bot.cgi :s |
| 08:55.05 | Penix | jmut: please stop |
| 08:55.19 | jmut | stops |
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| 08:55.31 | the_sniff | Penix: yes they are, i just stated that system related packages wouldn't be non-debian and that i don't use any other stuf on the server |
| 08:56.27 | walkies_ | I've wondered what a code difference between ubuntu and debian was, as in how many man-hours apart the two are by now, or "what would it take to bring the best of ubu to deb" but especially the last though makes me feel I'm not a true coder, just some pc-yuppie that likes eyecandy |
| 08:56.33 | the_sniff | streuner this is ps aux output http://rafb.net/p/advilo48.html |
| 08:56.59 | streuner | yeah |
| 08:57.02 | Penix | walkies_: read about what makes Debian what it is and you might get an idea |
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| 08:57.12 | streuner | www-data 23132 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 10:31 0:00 [in.cgi] <defunct> doesnt look very well... |
| 08:57.34 | the_sniff | streuner it's some porn site's statistics script :p |
| 08:57.42 | streuner | whatever that runs, configure it first, that it will stop now |
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| 08:57.46 | Shadur | streuner: Take a look in /proc/23132 and find out just what in.cgi was and what it was supposed to be doing. |
| 08:57.47 | the_sniff | if i could i'd just wipe those damn crapoids |
| 08:57.47 | streuner | yeah |
| 08:58.07 | streuner | the_sniff: ^^^ look what Shadur told you |
| 08:58.19 | the_sniff | root@green:/var/log/apache# cat /proc/23132 |
| 08:58.20 | the_sniff | cat: /proc/23132: No such file or directory |
| 08:58.52 | streuner | locate in.cgi |
| 08:59.09 | the_sniff | i know where it is |
| 08:59.20 | the_sniff | and i know what it does |
| 08:59.27 | the_sniff | and i do think this script is crap |
| 08:59.34 | streuner | well, it doesnt work |
| 08:59.37 | streuner | so remove it |
| 08:59.48 | streuner | and restart apache |
| 08:59.55 | the_sniff | what made u say it doesn't work? im curious |
| 09:00.21 | streuner | streuner> www-data 23132 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 10:31 0:00 [in.cgi] <defunct> ? |
| 09:00.31 | the_sniff | doesn't that mean the process closed? |
| 09:00.36 | streuner | no |
| 09:00.38 | streuner | !zombie |
| 09:00.38 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 09:01.13 | sauvin | How would the parent be identified? |
| 09:01.26 | simonrvn | the_sniff: only if it momentary |
| 09:01.32 | simonrvn | sauvin: PPID |
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| 09:01.55 | icesword | whois automatically call apnic.net,how to set it to call others |
| 09:02.07 | streuner | man whois |
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| 09:02.21 | the_sniff | simonrvn: if what is momentary? and why do you need a wait for exit code? (i never coded linux stuff, just windows/web :p) |
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| 09:03.19 | jaggy- | How can I reload quicklauncher's icons? I modified my quick launcher icons by hand (to rename "Home" to "Files"), then I changed the Home.desktop file to correspond, but the icons aren't updating. I killed klauncher and it came back but the launcher itself didn't so much as flicker... now I killed kicker .. and it didn't come back and now I have no panel at all :) |
| 09:04.20 | Penix | jaggy-: run kicker then |
| 09:04.27 | jaggy- | so fun. I re-ran kicker and my panel came back -- but it's missing the process app and the quick launch one too :) |
| 09:04.29 | sauvin | That's what I used to do when kicker froze on me. |
| 09:04.40 | simonrvn | the_sniff: a process can be in a Z state for a few seconds/moments... only if it stays in that state do you have a problem |
| 09:04.43 | sauvin | But it never came back with anything missing. |
| 09:04.47 | jaggy- | oooh.. they all just came back |
| 09:04.58 | jaggy- | no.. just tasks.. hmm. heh. this is kinda interesting. |
| 09:05.00 | the_sniff | simonrvn, oh i think it stays |
| 09:05.12 | simonrvn | the_sniff: yeh those are staying |
| 09:05.18 | sChaaa | hola |
| 09:05.33 | jaggy- | sauvin, whenever I kill klauncher it comes right back up with a new pid (of course a new pid) :) |
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| 09:05.35 | the_sniff | simonrvn: but wouldn't this mean the apache is buggy? |
| 09:05.38 | simonrvn | the_sniff: i noticed you have a crapload of apache processes too |
| 09:05.52 | the_sniff | yeah its has a few big siteas |
| 09:05.56 | simonrvn | anything is buggy |
| 09:06.13 | jaggy- | are we talking about zombie cgis? |
| 09:06.19 | the_sniff | yes |
| 09:06.28 | jaggy- | they wait around because apache doesn't re-fill that connection slot |
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| 09:06.40 | the_sniff | i have no idea |
| 09:06.53 | the_sniff | why would apache need to refill the connection slot? |
| 09:06.54 | jaggy- | the cgi's done but apache doesn't bother with it until a new connection fills that spot as far as I've noticed over many years |
| 09:07.11 | simonrvn | jaggy-: there's more to it than that. they should be exiting cleanly |
| 09:07.12 | jaggy- | visit yoursite/server-status (if you have it configured) to see the connections |
| 09:07.20 | the_sniff | i doubt it, that would be bad design |
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| 09:07.31 | jaggy- | they exit cleanly, but apache doesn't handle the waitpid() (or whatever) yet |
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| 09:07.44 | the_sniff | sounds like crap design heh |
| 09:07.48 | jaggy- | perhaps for effienciency |
| 09:08.06 | simonrvn | sounds like fud |
| 09:08.07 | the_sniff | so you |
| 09:08.08 | jaggy- | it's been that way for years.. is this apache 1.3 or 2, the_sniff? I've only paid attention to this in 1.3 |
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| 09:08.15 | the_sniff | so you'd argument that this isn't the problem? |
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| 09:08.18 | the_sniff | 1.3 |
| 09:08.18 | jaggy- | simon, why? |
| 09:08.24 | the_sniff | argue |
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| 09:09.16 | jaggy- | I've had apache running for months on end without running out of processes or anything.. I think it might be handled cleanly and there might be a reason for cleaning up that last processes' stuff upon a new connect -- perhaps a caching thing so the server actually handles cgis faster? |
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| 09:09.50 | jaggy- | perhaps it re-uses the processes' structs better that way? hell if I know but I can come up with a lot of reasons that they might have found it good to do, deliberately :) |
| 09:09.56 | simonrvn | jaggy-: i don't think it's just apache "waiting to fill a slot". 1.3 has this problem with draining stdin (so does 2 but much less so), also it could be a badly written cgi; it can also be the cgi is triggering a bug in apache; |
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| 09:10.29 | the_sniff | i think the latter is true since apache fscks the server u |
| 09:10.30 | the_sniff | u |
| 09:10.32 | the_sniff | up*! |
| 09:10.35 | simonrvn | and it could very well be something else we haven't mentioned |
| 09:10.37 | jaggy- | could be.. I've noticed it for so many years though.. it's constantly doing this in a high volume server I admin |
| 09:10.46 | jaggy- | and it's never been a problem |
| 09:10.47 | the_sniff | lets see if this is true |
| 09:11.15 | simonrvn | a zombie process is a problem |
| 09:11.19 | dondelelcaro | jaggy-: there will often be processes in that state until apache calls waitpid on them, but they shouldn't be the same one for very long. |
| 09:11.24 | the_sniff | i can't figure out what causes apache to use the cpu that much |
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| 09:11.35 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: check server-status |
| 09:11.39 | the_sniff | is there any way to like debug the processes? (all of them at once) |
| 09:11.40 | the_sniff | ok |
| 09:11.42 | the_sniff | lets see |
| 09:11.59 | jaggy- | I wonder how to get my klauncher back (that is the "Quick Launcher" right?) |
| 09:12.12 | dondelelcaro | there's no point in debugging all of the processes; you just want to see what requests are taking forever, and then debug those singly. |
| 09:12.16 | jaggy- | simon, why's it a problem? |
| 09:12.21 | jim | the_sniff: sure... you can choose to like it or dislike it |
| 09:12.24 | the_sniff | server-status is mod_status? |
| 09:12.28 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: yes. |
| 09:12.37 | simonrvn | it indicates something that needs attention |
| 09:12.45 | the_sniff | jim scratch that like im tired lol |
| 09:12.50 | jaggy- | but.. technically -- is it a problem for the system? |
| 09:13.10 | jim | you like instant messages?! |
| 09:13.13 | simonrvn | it can be if you get enough of them ;) |
| 09:13.27 | dondelelcaro | jaggy-: only if you've got so many that you start to run out of pids |
| 09:13.32 | the_sniff | jim? yes |
| 09:13.33 | jaggy- | you can only get as many as apache has connections configured with MaxClients I believe |
| 09:13.39 | jim | oh, ok ;) |
| 09:13.50 | jim | like, I'm down |
| 09:13.52 | simonrvn | no, max pids of the system |
| 09:14.03 | jaggy- | and that would be way too many.. because they tend to be at the lower-end of the connections anyway |
| 09:14.17 | jaggy- | no.. not max pids of the system -- each of these is a cgi which had to have been in a connection-slot of apache |
| 09:14.26 | dondelelcaro | jaggy-: but it's not any more. |
| 09:14.38 | jaggy- | and when a new connection fills that slot, apache then handles the zombie process |
| 09:14.40 | dondelelcaro | jaggy-: a zombie process is dead. It takes (almost) no memory. |
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| 09:14.59 | jim | yureyure! |
| 09:15.03 | the_sniff | should 'apache-modconf apache enable mod_status' output nothing? :s |
| 09:15.03 | jaggy- | dondel, right, just the process structs etc. in the kernel and apache space (which I don't know much about) .. |
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| 09:15.41 | jaggy- | I don't want to look it up though -- trying to get apache mod_ssl setup |
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| 09:15.44 | jaggy- | afk wifey |
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| 09:16.15 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: if it was enabled properly, yes. |
| 09:16.29 | dondelelcaro | (though if this is a new setup, you probably want to switch to apache 2) |
| 09:17.10 | the_sniff | yeah that server is going to the graveyard soon so i wouldn't bother :p |
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| 09:18.01 | the_sniff | can anyone tell me if this http://green.live4all.co.il/server-status looks ok? (ignore the sex sites lol) |
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| 09:18.22 | the_sniff | the server is ok now lol |
| 09:18.34 | jim | would that be considered advertising the site? |
| 09:18.43 | the_sniff | doubt it |
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| 09:18.50 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:18.57 | the_sniff | id remove it if my boss wouldn't kick me in the head for it :p |
| 09:18.59 | Osx86 | morning all |
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| 09:20.03 | smhar | greetings |
| 09:20.41 | the_sniff | this is odd |
| 09:20.48 | the_sniff | the server now functions ok |
| 09:21.50 | smhar | I have created a virtual debian server (stable) using virtualbox on my debian notebook (testing) . But I can not seem to connect between both of them, not even a ping |
| 09:22.25 | the_sniff | dunno about virtual box in specific but you have a network adapter configured for it? |
| 09:23.34 | smhar | the_sniff: both have networking working individually. in fact both can connect to the internet just fine and can apt-get update upgrade. but each has a different ip range |
| 09:24.05 | the_sniff | try and change it |
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| 09:27.35 | smhar | the_sniff: using ifconfig, the notebook has eth1 with no IP, eth1:avahi with no IP, lo, and wlan0 as I am currently connected with wifi. The virtual debbian' ifconfig has eth0 with a diffenent IP and lo |
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| 09:29.01 | the_sniff | wow im kinda lost, how is eth0 working if its not a "virtual" wlan? |
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| 09:30.56 | jaggy- | the_sniff, what DB system do you use? |
| 09:31.00 | jaggy- | for your cgis |
| 09:31.05 | smhar | the_sniff: the notebook, the real debian is connected to internet now through wifi, wlan, there is no ethernet connection right now. so eth0 has no IP, but the virtual debian is connected to internet throught the real debian, through bridging (I think!) |
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| 09:31.44 | smhar | the_sniff: the virtual debian is not connected through wlan0 |
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| 09:33.22 | jaggy- | hey, my quick launcher never came back :( |
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| 09:33.51 | the_sniff | smhar: yeah i got that, i mean i don't know how does it work so i can't help you from here |
| 09:34.03 | n0mad | Multicast Traffic what purpose - is it not harmfull to block any activity like this ? |
| 09:34.08 | the_sniff | but see if it has the same class and network configuration with just the ip different |
| 09:34.51 | jaggy- | I added another one but it uses a different panel _rc |
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| 09:36.04 | Broady | is there a difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 09:36.10 | Broady | Binary files /usr/bin/aptitude and /usr/bin/apt-get differ |
| 09:36.12 | Penix | Broady: yes |
| 09:36.19 | Penix | Broady: that's why they have different names |
| 09:36.26 | Broady | oh, what is the difference? |
| 09:36.44 | Penix | !tell Broady -about why aptitude |
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| 09:36.51 | Broady | thanks Penix |
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| 09:37.14 | Broady | Penix: i thought apt was a shortname for aptitude |
| 09:37.24 | Penix | !apt |
| 09:37.24 | dpkg | methinks apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 09:37.36 | Broady | ah, rightio. I feel so noob :( |
| 09:37.48 | Penix | you'll get there |
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| 09:39.35 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.26 | Broady | aha |
| 09:41.08 | fjfalcon | how to add ~ to tar.gz ? |
| 09:41.27 | fengor | fjfalcon: man tar? |
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| 09:43.20 | jaggy- | fjfalcon: what?? |
| 09:43.46 | basanta | can't bring my language in gdm in lenny |
| 09:43.47 | fjfalcon | jaggy-: i need script to add /home/username into tar.gz |
| 09:44.39 | Osx86 | rtfm |
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| 09:45.43 | jaggy- | you should learn tar.. it's an important command. "man tar" ... you're looking for something like tar -cvzf /path/to/home-backup.tar.gz /home/username |
| 09:45.55 | Osx86 | hes out |
| 09:45.58 | jaggy- | ugh |
| 09:46.05 | Osx86 | angry |
| 09:46.40 | jaggy- | okay.. is there a process associated with panel applets? |
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| 09:46.58 | Penix | panel applets for what? |
| 09:47.18 | gd1 | hi, is there any way I can set autologin without X or gdm |
| 09:47.27 | jaggy- | I edited my launcher_rc file by hand and after killing and re-running kicker, my quick launch applet never came back |
| 09:47.32 | gd1 | I need, automatic login at startup only with console |
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| 09:47.54 | jaggy- | why do you need auto-login gd? |
| 09:48.18 | gd1 | kiosk |
| 09:48.45 | gd1 | I need auto-login with a powerless user |
| 09:48.46 | jaggy- | I mean.. can you maybe run something from an rc file? |
| 09:48.58 | jaggy- | sudo -u nobody /path/application |
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| 09:49.53 | jaggy- | you have to look into running something at startup.. like you know how X starts up .. you should probably find how that works.. |
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| 09:50.03 | jaggy- | but I've never done such a thing so I don't know |
| 09:50.18 | gd1 | ok thanks |
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| 09:51.05 | jaggy- | Penix: I knew I would spend too much time re-doing my system if I re-installed linux on it a week or two ago.. trying to work on a larger project but now I'm fiddling around getting my local work environment tidied up |
| 09:51.08 | smhar | this is the interfaces file for my notebook's real debian: http://paste.lisp.org/display/57543 |
| 09:51.19 | jaggy- | (in the computer.. not the mess around me in my room..) |
| 09:52.10 | Penix | gd1: you might need a getty that supports it |
| 09:52.26 | gd1 | Penix: does Debian 4.0r3 have it? |
| 09:52.36 | Penix | gd1: try mgetty |
| 09:53.00 | Penix | gd1: you'd basically install mgetty, edit your /etc/inittab and run an mgetty --autologin instead of a regular getty I suppose |
| 09:53.23 | Penix | gd1: mgetty probably has documentation on how it all works |
| 09:53.25 | smhar | and this is the interfaces for the virtual debian: http://paste.lisp.org/display/57544 |
| 09:53.36 | gd1 | Penix: uhm. Thanks |
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| 09:55.39 | jaggy- | okay, got my launcher back.. added a temp launcher, edited kickerrc to point to my launcher_oldstuff_rc, and re-started kicker |
| 09:55.46 | jaggy- | phew. |
| 09:56.05 | Penix | now don't touch it ;) |
| 09:56.21 | jaggy- | your real name's not Penix is it? |
| 09:56.41 | wols_ | with him, you never know |
| 09:56.45 | jaggy- | because, I didn't want to be offensive with a joke like: /topic Penix: now don't touch it ;) |
| 09:57.23 | SQLDb | lol |
| 09:57.30 | jaggy- | I wanted to make y'all laugh a bit |
| 09:57.41 | Penix | you and your filthy mind |
| 09:58.39 | jaggy- | how can I cleanse my mind to be closer to the truth of life? |
| 09:59.08 | Penix | get a copy of Rez |
| 10:01.38 | jaggy- | "KLauncher could not be reached via DCOP" |
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| 10:01.57 | jaggy- | damnit. and klauncher didn't restart sometime. all those times it restarted and now it's not in ps |
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| 10:02.08 | jaggy- | can't run it by hand either.. |
| 10:02.22 | erik_ | which ftp server to use ? |
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| 10:02.41 | erik_ | on my etch box |
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| 10:02.53 | Kaepora | Hey everyone, I'm having a very odd problem with my new debian installation, it seems to be having problems resolving certain domain names on the internet. For exmaple, it can access google and some other websites just fine, but can't resolve other domain names such as keihatsu.org. The other computers that use the same DNS server are however perfectly able to resolvew all domain names. Can someone please help? |
| 10:03.11 | jaggy- | how do I get klauncher back? |
| 10:03.43 | erik_ | Kaepora: use another DNS server ? |
| 10:04.08 | Kaepora | erik_: I'll try |
| 10:04.42 | jaggy- | kaepora, that's weird. maybe you tried (and cached) those domain names prior to getting your system configured? try a name you've not tried on the system before and see if it works |
| 10:04.52 | erik_ | Kaepora: debian installation straight out of the box ? |
| 10:04.57 | jaggy- | or maybe visa-versa (vice-versa?) maybe you cached google while it worked, and now it's broken |
| 10:05.08 | Kaepora | erik_: Yes |
| 10:05.14 | Kaepora | jaggy-: I don't think that's the case |
| 10:05.17 | jaggy- | I don't know about debian's local dns caching system though.. it uses one? |
| 10:05.38 | Kaepora | I'm going to try using opendns |
| 10:05.56 | jaggy- | fine. whatever. :) how do I get klauncher back? restart X? |
| 10:06.22 | Kaepora | OpenDNS seems to work fine! |
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| 10:06.47 | jaggy- | you're welcome |
| 10:07.05 | Kaepora | offers jaggy- a kudo cookie |
| 10:07.06 | jaggy- | "If you know all the places it's not, then you must know where it is!" |
| 10:07.44 | jaggy- | okay.. I'm going to restart X.. hopefully klauncher comes up :) |
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| 10:07.56 | erik_ | jaggy-: 'all' being the problematic word ;-) |
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| 10:09.36 | erik_ | which FTP deamon it the latest in fashion ? pure-ftpd, proftpd ? ....? |
| 10:09.44 | tarzeau | both are fine, but: |
| 10:09.45 | tarzeau | !ftp |
| 10:09.45 | dpkg | ftp is, like, (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 10:10.05 | tarzeau | oh the real ftp info got removed? |
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| 10:10.30 | the_sniff | Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. |
| 10:10.36 | the_sniff | never got that. why the heck |
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| 10:10.48 | the_sniff | and if it's like a windows f/w installation it should be just fine heh |
| 10:11.02 | tarzeau | the_sniff: sniffing cleartext passwords isn't hard |
| 10:11.08 | the_sniff | i've seen more hacked linux server rather than windows (and they we're on the internal net, both) |
| 10:11.31 | tarzeau | the_sniff: i've also seen messed up windows machines. so what? |
| 10:11.32 | the_sniff | tarzeau: in order to do sniffing you must have access to the shell |
| 10:11.41 | the_sniff | so it's not the ftp's fault, it is the users fault |
| 10:11.44 | tarzeau | the_sniff: or the network. any laptop can do it |
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| 10:12.12 | the_sniff | tarzeau: you mean you've seen wacky users. i'm talking about machines managed by the same admin (a linux zealot heh) |
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| 10:12.41 | the_sniff | tarzeau: you mean non-wireless connections? |
| 10:12.46 | tarzeau | the_sniff: yes |
| 10:13.05 | the_sniff | how? shouldn't u be using an old hub to do that kind of traffic? |
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| 10:16.49 | the_sniff | tarzeau ? |
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| 10:37.29 | lyakh | I have problems with bash-completions: e.g., I have a file xyz and want to "mkdir xyz.d" I type "mkdir x<TAB>" and, of course, nothing comes out, it beeps only. How can I switch this verification off and just let bash complete any path? |
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| 10:38.26 | SleepyMoosey | lyakh, because it doesn't know which you want. |
| 10:38.42 | lyakh | no, there is only xyz there |
| 10:38.49 | lyakh | no xab or whatever |
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| 10:39.08 | SleepyMoosey | hmm |
| 10:39.11 | xterm | hello everybody. |
| 10:39.21 | lyakh | it thinks, you can only mkdir in another directory, otherwise it doesn't make sense... |
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| 10:39.44 | zalewa | hi. Tomorrow I'm getting a new connection but there is a problem: after 20 minutes of inactivity it breaks the connection. Will typing "0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * ping -c 4 google.com" solve this problem? |
| 10:39.44 | xterm | It's possible to know all the directories of a web? |
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| 10:40.15 | wols_ | xterm: no |
| 10:40.26 | xterm | for example: www.myweb.com have directories 1 and 2. so I can access to www.myweb.com/1 and www.myweb.com/2 .... |
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| 10:40.31 | xterm | its possible? |
| 10:40.32 | fireba11 | hi, i'm trying to build an inet.d script for a tool .. running it as root works, but naturally i don't want to do that in the long run, start-stop-deamon says it's started but ti doesn't run, no error messages even with -v any tips ? |
| 10:40.53 | xterm | and what does wget can download a entry page? |
| 10:40.56 | wols_ | xterm: you cannot find out what dirs there are |
| 10:41.26 | alturiak | zalewa: probably. but */10 * * * * is a little shorter :-) |
| 10:41.27 | xterm | wols_ and how does wget can download a entry page? |
| 10:41.46 | zalewa | oh |
| 10:41.46 | wols_ | what is an entry page? |
| 10:41.47 | zalewa | thanks |
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| 10:42.08 | cedric3 | hi all |
| 10:42.18 | fengor | i think he means an enire page |
| 10:42.29 | fengor | and that would probably be wget -m url |
| 10:42.37 | wols_ | wget -r np |
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| 10:43.00 | delcoyote | hi |
| 10:43.29 | themill | possible add -k to that wget command too |
| 10:43.45 | cedric3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.09 | fengor | or maybe he means how wget can download the page if there is no way to know all directories on a web server. well wget doesnt know all directories it jsut follows all the links starting from the url you gave to it xterm |
| 10:44.10 | wols_ | cedric3: why do you want for sarge? |
| 10:44.15 | themill | cedric3: you know that now is the time to be planning your sarge->etch migration not doing more things with sarge, don't you? |
| 10:44.29 | wols_ | cedric3: vserver uses a single kernel image so you can only use the etch one |
| 10:44.36 | cedric3 | themill : after please after |
| 10:44.55 | wols_ | themill: I think he runs etch and wants a sarge vserver, totally misunderstanding what vserver is |
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| 10:45.08 | cedric3 | wols_ : i install sarge on the vserver it work but the kernel version is not good i want to use the kernel sarge not etch |
| 10:45.25 | wols_ | cedric3: not supported |
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| 10:45.38 | wols_ | cedric3: why do you need the sarge one? |
| 10:45.43 | themill | cedric3: OK. So long as you know that sarge security is all but finished. |
| 10:46.13 | cedric3 | wols_ : because iwant to install asterisk the version can only work with sarge i must try to test on sarge after on etch |
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| 10:46.22 | wols_ | cedric3: vserver uses only one kernel on the whol machine |
| 10:46.50 | wols_ | cedric3: you run a etch machine and want a sarge vserver, right? |
| 10:47.08 | cedric3 | wols_: yes |
| 10:47.09 | wols_ | cedric3: btw: your etch kernel is out of date and exploitable. update it |
| 10:47.15 | wols_ | cedric3: this is not possible |
| 10:47.39 | cedric3 | wols_ : because when i try to install the software i have Kernel source not found. Installing kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-vserver-686 |
| 10:47.39 | cedric3 | apt-get install -y kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-vserver-686 |
| 10:47.56 | cedric3 | wols_: ok all vserver use the server on the machine ok ? |
| 10:48.14 | wols_ | all vservers use the same single kernel |
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| 10:48.24 | wols_ | and what kernel source isn't found exactly? |
| 10:48.28 | wols_ | !tell cedric3 about bat |
| 10:48.45 | cedric3 | wols_: ok i don't know that very thanks i can only install kernel source of the etch and kernel header of the etch |
| 10:49.27 | cedric3 | wols_ : i think it's kernel-source-2.6.18-4-vserver-686 |
| 10:49.27 | wols_ | !tell cedric3 about fr |
| 10:49.34 | wols_ | cedric3: no |
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| 10:49.46 | wols_ | !info linux-source-2.6-vserver-686 |
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| 10:50.14 | wols_ | there is no "kernel-source" in etch |
| 10:50.19 | cedric3 | wols_: uname -r |
| 10:50.19 | cedric3 | 2.6.18-4-vserver-686 |
| 10:50.53 | wols_ | apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-vserver-686 or such, NOT kernel-source |
| 10:50.54 | cedric3 | wols_ : it(s not a kernel etch 2.6.18-4-vserver-686 ? |
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| 10:52.23 | cedric3 | wols_ : if i want to install a kernel-source and header what is the good version please |
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| 10:52.39 | wols_ | cedric3: why do you need the source? |
| 10:52.43 | themill | !cluebat cedric3 |
| 10:52.43 | dpkg | beats cedric3 with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 6! Check video card compatibility at http://www.x.org/ |
| 10:53.07 | cedric3 | wols_: i want to install zaptel |
| 10:53.14 | wols_ | themill: you should know your people by now. and don't wear out that perfectly fine bat. not worth it |
| 10:53.22 | wols_ | !info zapteö-source |
| 10:53.36 | wols_ | !info zaptel-source etch |
| 10:53.57 | dpkg | zaptel-source: (Zapata telephony interface (source code for kernel driver)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.11.dfsg-1 (etch), Packaged size: 902 kB, Installed size: 1064 kB |
| 10:54.07 | cedric3 | wols_ : i want to install zaptel i see on this doc http://blog.nicolargo.com/2008/01/installation-dune-carte-digium-avec-asterisk.html |
| 10:54.37 | wols_ | cedric3: I don't care. zaptel is in debian so nothing you do here is necessary. you can build it with module-assitant |
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| 10:55.10 | cedric3 | wols_: i can install directly with apt-get zaptel ? |
| 10:55.57 | wols_ | no |
| 10:56.12 | wols_ | you can install the sourcecode of it and crate modules with module-assistant |
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| 10:56.52 | cedric3 | wols_ : i am novice on debian sorry i install source of the module with apt-get after i start module-assistant to complie the source driver |
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| 10:58.58 | wols_ | cedric3: apt-cache search zaptel |
| 10:59.51 | cedric3 | wols_: apt-cache search zaptel |
| 10:59.51 | cedric3 | libzap-dev - Zapata telephony interface library (development) |
| 10:59.51 | cedric3 | libzap1 - Zapata telephony interface library (runtime) |
| 10:59.51 | cedric3 | zaptel - zapata telephony utilities |
| 10:59.51 | cedric3 | zaptel-source - Zapata telephony interface (source code for kernel driver) |
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| 11:00.20 | mentor | sigh |
| 11:00.21 | themill | !tell cedric3 about paste |
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| 11:00.30 | themill | !permasunday |
| 11:00.30 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 11:00.52 | cedric3 | wols_ :libzap-dev - Zapata telephony interface library (development) |
| 11:01.01 | cedric3 | wols_ : zaptel - zapata telephony utilities |
| 11:01.08 | cedric3 | wols_: zaptel-source - Zapata telephony interface (source code for kernel driver) |
| 11:01.22 | mentor | stop it |
| 11:01.27 | cedric3 | yes of cource |
| 11:01.52 | cedric3 | mentor : sorry |
| 11:02.02 | mentor | You're supposed to look at it, read it, and understand it yourself |
| 11:02.22 | cedric3 | mentor : ok |
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| 11:05.46 | cedric3 | wols_ : i search a solution thanks for your help |
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| 11:12.48 | fresch | Hi, anyone using the fish shell? I want to iterate over a sequence. I used: set i '0'; while test $i -lt 10; echo $i; set i (echo $i + 1|bc); end And that works. I'm just wondering if there is a more "elegant" way to do that. |
| 11:13.26 | Halleck | I'm having difficulty getting cron to run a java program, what's the best place for me to go for help? |
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| 11:17.29 | gligorhoria | hellow i need to add some repos in my debian (new user) |
| 11:17.44 | gligorhoria | ftp://ftp.ines.lug.ro/debian/README.mirrors.txt i want to add the romania fpr from this list |
| 11:17.55 | mentor | !doc |
| 11:17.56 | dpkg | i heard doc is ...files are now stored under /usr/share/doc, or see documentation, or apt-cache search -- "-doc$" |
| 11:17.57 | gligorhoria | i went to etc/apt and it gives me errors |
| 11:18.11 | gligorhoria | i must be doing something wrong |
| 11:18.52 | gligorhoria | what exactly do i need to write in /etc/apt/sources.list to add ftp.ro.debian.org or ftp.lug.ro ? |
| 11:19.04 | gligorhoria | for debian etch? |
| 11:19.16 | darius12 | what do you guys think about hosting control panels? |
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| 11:19.37 | darius12 | Is there any reasonable one that will work in debian? |
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| 11:22.04 | gynterk | <oj_> grandpa:~# cat /proc/partitions |
| 11:22.04 | gynterk | <oj_> major minor #blocks name |
| 11:22.04 | gynterk | <oj_> 34 0 46400539341688 hdg |
| 11:22.04 | gynterk | <oj_> 3 0 78150744 hda |
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| 11:22.28 | gynterk | wrong damng window |
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| 11:24.17 | gligorhoria | i searched the guids and i didn-t realy understand... |
| 11:24.32 | gligorhoria | come one some repostirories shouldn-t be hart to place, can-t u please tell me? |
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| 11:25.19 | gynterk | sec |
| 11:26.05 | gynterk | gligorhoria, http://pastebin.com/d71104db5 |
| 11:26.10 | gynterk | replace ee with your country |
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| 11:26.42 | gynterk | ro - i assume |
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| 11:31.46 | Duddle | hi everybody, I have "Linux rncmm2 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Aug 16 12:08:30 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux", is there a newer kernel avaiable on etch? |
| 11:32.15 | gynterk | if you compile it yourself, then it is |
| 11:32.40 | petemc | Duddle: etch uses 2.6.18 |
| 11:33.15 | gnuyoga | any one running openvz on etch ?? |
| 11:34.49 | Duddle | well, apt-cache search kernel-image-2 does not find any newer kernel |
| 11:35.03 | Duddle | so I would have to download the sources and compile it myself if I want a newer one? |
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| 11:35.55 | Tazpa | Duddle: they switched kernel-image-* to linux-image-* |
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| 11:36.11 | SleepingSloth | is anyone using xmms2? |
| 11:36.50 | Duddle | Tazpa: thanks... yields 2.6 still ;) |
| 11:37.10 | Duddle | at least with smp |
| 11:38.56 | themill | Duddle: smp is built into all -686 etch kernels |
| 11:39.45 | Duddle | oh well... as you can see, I've basically no experience upgrading kernels ;) thanks |
| 11:40.04 | Duddle | so a apt-get dist-upgrade should do pretty fine then, I guess? |
| 11:40.13 | Tazpa | Duddle: 2.6.18 is much newer than your 2.6.8 |
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| 11:42.24 | gynterk | Radeon Xpress 200M (laptop), xserver-xorg 1.3, can't get fglrx working, after aticonfig --inital and X restart screen goes black |
| 11:43.12 | gligorhoria | ty gynterk but i got it working |
| 11:43.16 | gligorhoria | and sorry i went afk |
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| 11:46.57 | gynterk | 7.3 i mean '* |
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| 12:12.05 | ahyuwhiye | how to install Abiword without GNOME? |
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| 12:15.09 | petemc | ahyuwhiye: you can install a package without its dependancies |
| 12:15.32 | ahyuwhiye | tell me how |
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| 12:15.37 | petemc | erm, i meant cant |
| 12:15.41 | ahyuwhiye | lol |
| 12:15.49 | iateadonut | failing harddrive (one partition cannot be mounted) - what to do? |
| 12:16.02 | petemc | buy a new hard disk |
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| 12:19.15 | themill | ahyuwhiye: you can install abiword with only libgnome but without the rest of gnome installed. |
| 12:19.24 | gynterk | iateadonut, identify the problem, fix the problem |
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| 12:19.46 | gynterk | why you need abiword anyway |
| 12:19.59 | ahyuwhiye | themill: and how can I do this? |
| 12:20.09 | force | problem with postgressql need to reinstall everything i think from scratch, what are the apt-get options? or how do i fix this without reinstalling? http://rafb.net/p/yYw55m52.html |
| 12:20.32 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 12:20.37 | ahyuwhiye | hi |
| 12:20.44 | themill | !tell ahyuwhiye about aptitude-fu |
| 12:20.51 | gynterk | force, is your psql server running ? |
| 12:21.09 | force | yes |
| 12:21.19 | gynterk | quess not if client returns this |
| 12:21.23 | gynterk | paste server logs |
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| 12:22.48 | force | i just want the confmiss params |
| 12:23.12 | ahyuwhiye | themill: I already knew about this way but libgnome,... is almost completely the Gnome DE |
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| 12:24.07 | force | !tell force confmiss |
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| 12:24.13 | force | :/ |
| 12:24.23 | force | it was working before |
| 12:24.29 | force | then i ended up deleting some files |
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| 12:24.41 | force | mistakenly.. |
| 12:25.59 | gynterk | apt-get install --yes --reinstall -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss |
| 12:26.08 | force | ah cheers |
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| 12:27.36 | force | bother |
| 12:28.53 | gynterk | yes ? |
| 12:29.19 | gynterk | ah |
| 12:29.27 | gynterk | quote dpkg options "" |
| 12:29.34 | gynterk | "--force-confmiss" |
| 12:29.46 | themill | !confmiss |
| 12:29.46 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 12:30.07 | tudon | how can it be that a stream works in mplayer plugin but not in mplayer it's self? console says stream not seekable . |
| 12:30.34 | gynterk | console lies |
| 12:31.58 | force | still coming up with the same old |
| 12:32.20 | force | is there anyway to force a recreation of the domain socket |
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| 12:35.46 | force | anyone know? man i've been at this all week im tired of it lol |
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| 12:37.02 | gynterk | what does server logs give ? |
| 12:37.05 | gynterk | ports opened |
| 12:37.11 | gynterk | does server respond from localhost ? |
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| 12:38.02 | force | its listening but 'psql' command prints that error i gave before |
| 12:38.05 | force | umm the logs |
| 12:38.20 | force | incomplete startup packet |
| 12:38.22 | Xybernaut | how configure d-link dwl g630 debian ? |
| 12:38.27 | force | is the only relevant error |
| 12:38.42 | petemc | tudon: maybe you need -dumpstream? |
| 12:39.05 | wols_ | Xybernaut: dwl g630 is what? |
| 12:39.30 | gynterk | i didn't ask if its listening |
| 12:39.31 | Xybernaut | wols_: Wireless card pcmcia |
| 12:39.40 | gynterk | i asked that can you connect to server from localhost |
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| 12:39.54 | wols_ | Xybernaut: what wlan chip? |
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| 12:40.12 | force | man i dont know how |
| 12:40.13 | tudon | could try but i just want to watch it not rip it. |
| 12:40.36 | Xybernaut | wols_: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g |
| 12:40.40 | gynterk | force, mind testing to connect from localhost to server on command line ? |
| 12:40.40 | force | to be honest i'm over docs, one thing leads to another and another |
| 12:40.42 | gynterk | via ssha prolly |
| 12:40.53 | wols_ | !xapt-cache search rt61 |
| 12:40.53 | force | telnet? |
| 12:40.59 | wols_ | Xybernaut: apt-cache search rt61 |
| 12:41.14 | wols_ | force: telnet is good |
| 12:41.17 | gynterk | ssh ? |
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| 12:41.30 | force | unless it listens on a udp port? |
| 12:41.35 | gynterk | first try to connect using psql client |
| 12:41.37 | Xybernaut | wols_: Thanks! |
| 12:41.38 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:41.40 | force | oh ok |
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| 12:42.25 | force | well it doesn't seem to be accepting connections on port 5432 |
| 12:42.27 | Tuxelchen | moin moin :D |
| 12:42.34 | force | sigh |
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| 12:42.55 | force | this db server was working this morning and i somehow mistakenly deleted the domain socket |
| 12:42.55 | gynterk | tcpdump it |
| 12:43.09 | gynterk | ha |
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| 12:46.04 | force | http://rafb.net/p/yYw55m52.htmlpostmaste 6906 postgres 4u unix 0xd8ecfa80 453167 /var/opt/scalix/lt/postgres/data/.s.PGSQL.5733 |
| 12:46.10 | force | err |
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| 12:46.16 | force | well minus the url |
| 12:46.25 | force | that is the output of lsof of the domain socket |
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| 12:47.43 | force | sigh so over this for tonight im gonna sleep heh |
| 12:47.48 | force | cheers though |
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| 12:54.04 | daniel_John | when I try running simple backup configure in etch it attempts to be granted administration rights during start up but then fails. why would that be ? |
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| 12:57.17 | daniel_John | no worries ive just found out that I can use the terminal to start the GUI |
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| 13:00.11 | wols_ | what ios simple backup configure? |
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| 13:08.20 | real0ne | hi when i start my debian i have this message /bin/sh: can't acces tty, job controm turned off |
| 13:08.40 | tarzeau | real0ne: your debian is a linux one? stable one? |
| 13:08.55 | real0ne | yes tarzeau |
| 13:10.16 | max|Z | hi, does someone have an idea how I can "upgrade" my 32bit debian to a 64bit debian on a dedicated server which does not have a rescue system, KVM or reboot interface? already did it with 32bit=>32bit (chroot, debootstrap, swap, etc...), but 64bit seems to be harder |
| 13:10.50 | tarzeau | max|Z: should be possible the same way |
| 13:11.14 | max|Z | but how can I execute the 64bit binaries then? |
| 13:11.51 | tarzeau | max|Z: reboot? |
| 13:11.57 | tarzeau | max|Z: and select it in grub? |
| 13:12.20 | real0ne | hi when i start my debian i have this message /bin/sh: can't acces tty, job controm turned off |
| 13:12.23 | max|Z | yeah, but how shall i debootstrap the minimal 64 bit system on a 32 bit system? |
| 13:12.42 | tarzeau | max|Z: using debootstrap, check its options |
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| 13:15.27 | WormFood | aaarrrggghhh....I looked through my logs, but can't find the site to download old packages from...can someone please give me that url again? |
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| 13:16.38 | wols_ | !tell WormFood about sdn |
| 13:17.06 | WormFood | thanks, that is what I needed wols_ |
| 13:17.51 | daniel_John | daniel_John> I want to download knoppix. Can I use wget to resume the download if I dont complete the download in one go.? What would the command be for that ? |
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| 13:18.12 | petemc | daniel_John: if the server supports resume, wget -c |
| 13:18.20 | petemc | daniel_John: which is in the man page for wget |
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| 13:18.30 | max|Z | tarzeau: but how can I chroot to it? "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error" |
| 13:19.21 | daniel_John | petemc, ok ill take a look . |
| 13:20.14 | daniel_John | Is there a formatting legend for the man , as I cant always understand synopsis of how the command is to be used ? |
| 13:20.16 | Dewi | grub++, for allowing me to specify root's volume label, and saving me from my current "random probe orders" problem :P |
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| 13:31.40 | tarzeau | why does he want to chroot into it??? |
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| 13:36.09 | abchirk | hi |
| 13:36.58 | abchirk | I get this => HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B on bios start when he is checking for IDE-Devices... but Its a harddisk and he isnt listsing this harddisk under /dev? |
| 13:37.28 | abchirk | I used a adapter for the 2,5hd from a laptop. |
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| 13:38.19 | abchirk | Any ideas what could I check? |
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| 13:38.40 | liable | the r3366 one |
| 13:38.47 | liable | doh |
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| 13:51.44 | Osx86 | hey |
| 13:52.02 | real0ne | hi when i start my debian i have this message /bin/sh: can't acces tty, job controm turned off |
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| 13:52.27 | Osx86 | is it possible with udev to assign a special usb bus to a usb device |
| 13:52.46 | Osx86 | like this uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 |
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| 13:53.19 | real0ne | no |
| 13:53.20 | Osx86 | real0ne: can you connect to it? |
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| 13:53.28 | real0ne | i have that dual boot |
| 13:53.35 | real0ne | i can't have shell |
| 13:53.38 | Supaplex | Osx86: I have not heard of anyone able to partition/sliceup USB |
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| 13:54.00 | real0ne | i have shutdown the pc in anormal way |
| 13:54.07 | Osx86 | real0ne: single user is ok? |
| 13:54.11 | real0ne | no |
| 13:54.17 | real0ne | no one worck now |
| 13:54.21 | Osx86 | try emergency then |
| 13:54.21 | Supaplex | real0ne: is this when you login? or before? what's printed before that line? |
| 13:54.36 | real0ne | befor login |
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| 13:55.10 | Osx86 | Supaplex: i use xen with my Etch |
| 13:55.25 | Osx86 | and i try to backend some usb devices |
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| 13:55.47 | Osx86 | the only way is to backend usb controller |
| 13:55.49 | real0ne | busybox v1.13 (debian 1:1.1.3-4) Built-in shell |
| 13:55.54 | real0ne | Supaplex |
| 13:56.07 | Osx86 | but after every reboot my usb device move to another bus number |
| 13:56.19 | Osx86 | then my config do not work anymore |
| 13:56.35 | Osx86 | wrtg54? |
| 13:57.01 | wols_ | Osx86: backend? |
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| 13:57.13 | real0ne | Supaplex are u there? |
| 13:57.25 | Osx86 | wols_: assign a pci device to a domU |
| 13:57.28 | Supaplex | yes I'm here. It's called multitasking and a real job. |
| 13:57.44 | Osx86 | Supaplex: lol |
| 13:57.51 | Osx86 | real0ne: what system is it |
| 13:57.59 | Osx86 | router? |
| 13:58.04 | real0ne | debian |
| 13:58.05 | Osx86 | pc? |
| 13:58.05 | Supaplex | Osx86: xen can partition an entire pci device to a guest, but not a partial usb bus |
| 13:58.09 | real0ne | yes |
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| 13:58.40 | Osx86 | Supaplex: that's why a give my domU an entire pci device which correspond to a usb controller |
| 13:58.42 | Supaplex | real0ne: this looks like you're not even getting out of the initrd |
| 13:58.48 | Osx86 | on which is my usb device |
| 13:58.52 | real0ne | yes |
| 13:59.02 | wols_ | real0ne: do NOT message people |
| 13:59.12 | Osx86 | but every reboot assign another bus number to my usb controller |
| 13:59.15 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:59.15 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
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| 13:59.31 | Supaplex | Osx86: the dom0 will not use the partitioned device reserved for a guest. if you're seeing it used by dom0, then it's not setup right |
| 13:59.36 | wols_ | puts real0ne on ignore for extended PM spamming |
| 13:59.36 | real0ne | after Grub |
| 13:59.38 | wols_ | fscking moron |
| 14:00.03 | Osx86 | Supaplex: you don't understand, i'm not clear |
| 14:00.06 | Osx86 | i mean |
| 14:00.15 | Osx86 | i can export a whole pci device |
| 14:00.23 | Supaplex | right |
| 14:00.33 | Osx86 | and i'm able to get my usb device in my domU |
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| 14:00.40 | Osx86 | lsusb show it |
| 14:00.44 | Supaplex | okay |
| 14:00.47 | Osx86 | but after dom0 reboot |
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| 14:01.07 | Osx86 | my usb controller i've exported to my domU got a new bus number |
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| 14:01.38 | Osx86 | then the pci device i'm exporting is now wrong |
| 14:01.44 | Supaplex | a new usb bus number, or a new pci bus number? |
| 14:01.55 | Supaplex | why would the pci bus change? |
| 14:01.55 | Osx86 | uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 |
| 14:02.20 | Osx86 | here is what i try to export 0000:00:1d.1 |
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| 14:02.24 | Supaplex | if it's a usb bus number, I don't understand why it's a problem |
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| 14:03.05 | Osx86 | i'm sorry but i do not understand much about pci and usb device numbers |
| 14:03.31 | Osx86 | but what i can tell is that lsusb show me that my usb device changes between usb id |
| 14:03.44 | CalebRipley | I have problems during the installation of etch. The (low-mem)installer does not share the pcmcia-drivers on my new system. I install the system with the netboot-installer-i386 and shared the packages online. to have a minimal system on my old laptop (portege 3010ct, pcmcia-networkcard, floppydisk, no cd-rom) i installed the system with the software selection on "Laptop" and "Standard system". Now i am in the installation enviroment again, wh |
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| 14:03.55 | wols_ | I don#t understand why PCI Bus IDs of USB controllers would change |
| 14:04.05 | Supaplex | Osx86: forget about usb bus numbers/ids. does domU see the same usb devices before and after reboot? |
| 14:04.07 | Osx86 | wols_: i don't too |
| 14:04.28 | Osx86 | Supaplex: before dom0 reboot, everything is ok |
| 14:04.32 | Osx86 | after |
| 14:04.39 | Osx86 | i get no usb device in my domU |
| 14:05.08 | Osx86 | and i can see that my dom0 have the usb device |
| 14:05.12 | Supaplex | what's lsusb and lspci before and after in domU? |
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| 14:05.24 | Osx86 | i mean |
| 14:05.33 | Supaplex | it sounds like dom0 is stealing the pci device again |
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| 14:06.07 | Osx86 | i had pciback.hide=(0000:00:1d.1) to my xen kernel |
| 14:06.10 | Osx86 | right? |
| 14:06.11 | tobias | what is a good 'lightweight' version of nagios that can send me notifications if a host/service goes down? |
| 14:06.14 | Supaplex | I have little/no exp with partitioning pci hardware. I know xen can do it, but troubleshooting isn't something I've done on it. |
| 14:06.15 | Osx86 | i boot my domU |
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| 14:06.18 | Osx86 | and it works |
| 14:06.25 | Osx86 | my domU can see the usb device |
| 14:06.39 | Osx86 | then electrical shutdown |
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| 14:06.45 | Osx86 | my dom0 reboot |
| 14:06.53 | Osx86 | new bus assignment |
| 14:07.06 | Osx86 | my dom0 can see my usb device |
| 14:07.09 | Osx86 | with lsusb |
| 14:07.18 | Osx86 | that's why my domU can't see it anymore |
| 14:07.18 | Supaplex | !tell Osx86 -about enter |
| 14:07.18 | nollan | i have problem changing keymap - i have locales as 'sv_SE' and keymap is 'se-latin1.kmap.gz', what else do i need? (this is console only) |
| 14:07.33 | nollan | err. keyboard layout that is - not keymap |
| 14:07.34 | Supaplex | !tell tobias -about search |
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| 14:08.16 | Supaplex | Osx86: like I said. I don't know. amazing it works the first time but not the second, provided you follow the same steps. |
| 14:08.44 | tobias | Supaplex: someone's personal recommendation goes a long way over apt-cache search :) |
| 14:09.12 | Supaplex | tobias: zabbix is possibly smaller and can do that. |
| 14:09.22 | tobias | Supaplex: thanks, i'll check it out. |
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| 14:10.10 | Osx86 | Supaplex: cause usb bus get number assignation every reboot |
| 14:10.22 | Osx86 | i don't know why |
| 14:10.33 | Osx86 | but it seems it work like this |
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| 14:12.33 | Supaplex | xen doesn't know how to partition usb, so only pci applys. are you meaning to say lspci shows a different place on the pci bus between reboots? eg, lspci -s [[[[<domain>]:]<bus>]:][<slot>][.[<func>]] |
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| 14:13.16 | Osx86 | Supaplex: not really |
| 14:13.30 | Supaplex | not ... really ... |
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| 14:13.41 | Osx86 | only for usb bus, cause there are some |
| 14:14.00 | Osx86 | here is what lspci gives me about usb bus |
| 14:14.01 | Osx86 | 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 01) |
| 14:14.01 | Osx86 | 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 01) |
| 14:14.01 | Osx86 | 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 01) |
| 14:14.01 | Osx86 | 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 01) |
| 14:14.05 | Supaplex | STOP |
| 14:14.13 | Osx86 | ok |
| 14:14.24 | Supaplex | !paste |
| 14:14.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:14.37 | Osx86 | ok calm |
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| 14:14.52 | Supaplex | compare lspci between reboots and tell me if it changes. |
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| 14:15.38 | abrotman | he might need udev-wankery |
| 14:16.38 | Supaplex | maybe. I'm out of ideas on this one. |
| 14:17.12 | Osx86 | Supaplex: what i've seen is that pci device won't changed. but lsusb show me that my device change from one bus to another |
| 14:18.45 | wols_ | are any Free ttf fonts which look "Handwritten" like on some wedding invitations, e.g. shelley volante? |
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| 14:19.21 | mike1o | what does it mean when an owner of a file is "1010" ? |
| 14:19.57 | Supaplex | mike1o: there's no assigned uid in /etc/passwd |
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| 14:20.34 | mike1o | Supaplex, so it has no owner? |
| 14:21.02 | Supaplex | mike1o: correct |
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| 14:24.59 | rom | salut |
| 14:25.29 | isha | i installed live-helper in my system , now anyone tell me what to do under config folder , if i want to compile with bootsplash |
| 14:25.47 | shyam_k | hi i have been googling for some time for getting my mmc card drive working.mine is an acer aspire 5570z laptop lspci and dmesg is given here http://pastebin.ca/947431 i have a texas instrument PCIxx12 Cardbus controller..when i insert a card in the drive,its getting detected too..but its not getting mounted automatically... |
| 14:26.01 | shyam_k | i dont see any devices up too.. |
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| 14:26.39 | shyam_k | the dmesg quoted there is seen as i insert a card in the driver.. |
| 14:27.11 | isha | please anyone answer me , what to do if i want to compile with bootsplash |
| 14:27.26 | wols_ | !bootsplash |
| 14:27.26 | dpkg | from memory, bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 14:27.30 | isha | with the help of live-helper |
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| 14:28.07 | isha | wols_, yeah , i want to do with live-helper package |
| 14:28.15 | Supaplex | !debian-live |
| 14:28.15 | dpkg | i heard debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 14:29.06 | Supaplex | !debian-live is also irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-live |
| 14:29.06 | dpkg | okay, Supaplex |
| 14:29.26 | shyam_k | i tried giving some three modprobes as i googled some tifm_sd,tifm_core,tifm_ms both the system silently recieves but yet the drive is not mounted anyway |
| 14:29.36 | SleepingSloth | is there a linux app that can interpret adobe fireworks png files? |
| 14:29.51 | SleepingSloth | thats probably a stupid question, but.... you never know |
| 14:30.15 | Enfi|ade | are they some kind of non-standard png? |
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| 14:30.40 | mike1o | Supaplex, how do I make a file be writable by that weird 1010 user? |
| 14:30.43 | SleepingSloth | Enfi|ade, well - they must be - I have a fireworks png which is layered like a psd almost |
| 14:31.20 | SleepingSloth | Enfi|ade, I can open without the layers fine, but i need to edit the doc.... |
| 14:32.00 | abrotman | maybe inkscape? |
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| 14:32.15 | SleepingSloth | abrotman, treid that - no joy |
| 14:32.24 | loXx | i want to execute another application form my programm written in c. i want to get the output of the executed application. my idea is to to create a pipe, fork and execl. am i on the right way? |
| 14:32.31 | isha | wols_, i alreay did this live-helper , but it is booting wothout bootsplash |
| 14:32.36 | amrlima | hi, I've have a small issue on debian lenny. When I make a tar, tar.gz and tar.bz2 on GNOME I get the following error:Translated from portuguese "An error occurred while adding files to the archive tar: this does not look like a tar file tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 14:33.05 | abrotman | SleepingSloth: erm .. sorry .. PNG .. gimp ? |
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| 14:33.08 | SleepingSloth | abrotman, likewise with the gimp. although - again, didnt expect it as photoshop doesnt actually handle them. |
| 14:33.09 | amrlima | anyone knows why this may happen? I've google the error but I get no solution |
| 14:33.19 | isha | wols_, i got an info , that will come with bootsplash , if we enable something under config |
| 14:33.22 | doudou | aptitude search pthread gives nothing except kaffe ? |
| 14:33.44 | SleepingSloth | abrotman, they're not standard pngs, I dont think |
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| 14:35.42 | Supaplex | mike1o: if that user isn't on your system, why would you want to? man chmod, man chown |
| 14:35.47 | Supaplex | !tell mike1o -about grounding |
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| 14:36.26 | abrotman | SleepingSloth: then they're not PNGs ? :) |
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| 14:36.52 | abrotman | SleepingSloth: maybe #web might know? |
| 14:37.41 | SleepingSloth | abrotman, they must satisfy the requirements to be pngs - because all image viewers can display them, but there is some sort of extra information in there which separates the data into layers |
| 14:37.48 | SleepingSloth | abrotman, I'll give it a go |
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| 14:37.59 | Supaplex | SleepingSloth: they're standard png's with propritary extensions. the png format allows for alternate data payloads to reside with it. |
| 14:38.28 | SleepingSloth | Supaplex, thanks for the clarity :) |
| 14:38.45 | Supaplex | np ^.^ |
| 14:38.59 | abrotman | Supaplex: sounds dirty |
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| 14:39.29 | darius12 | Is there a reasonable control panel that works well with debian? (including postfix/dovecot/mysql and the /etc/apache2/{mods,sites}-available/ scheme |
| 14:39.30 | DustyBin | how does one run a tool from once computer, but would like its output to be directed on the remote machine? |
| 14:39.35 | DustyBin | one |
| 14:39.39 | SleepingSloth | abrotman, adobe.... :S |
| 14:39.39 | abrotman | nc |
| 14:39.40 | tarzeau | DustyBin: in a gnu screen |
| 14:39.47 | petemc | DustyBin: depends on the tool |
| 14:39.52 | DustyBin | tarzeau: mythtv-setup |
| 14:39.53 | SleepingSloth | mind you, it was macromedia really |
| 14:40.03 | darius12 | DustyBin: ssh |
| 14:40.04 | abrotman | darius12: vi is great! |
| 14:40.15 | DustyBin | id like to run mythtv-setup on my desktop, but have its direct its output on my televsion other computer |
| 14:40.32 | darius12 | that is what I think too, especially now that I 've patched it to support utf8 langmap |
| 14:40.35 | DustyBin | im sure i got it working before with a command like DISPLAY:0 |
| 14:40.39 | DustyBin | i cannot rememeber |
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| 14:41.16 | darius12 | abrotman: but the one who will use it is only comfortable with GUI tools and I don't want to lock him to me |
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| 14:41.23 | DustyBin | DISPLAY=:0 mythtv-setup <-------------- thats it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:41.32 | gemidjy | which repository contains the gnash package ? (i find http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnash but it is not in the repos I am using (testing and etch)) ? |
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| 14:41.35 | hipodilski | should I install kernel-bigmem for a machine with 8G of memory? |
| 14:41.37 | darius12 | or to CentOS + Plesk (mpliax) |
| 14:41.42 | hipodilski | or the normal kernel should support 8G? |
| 14:42.33 | darius12 | I actually tried to write my own but there are so many little details to get right that is just so hard for one person alone. |
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| 14:42.45 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 14:43.49 | abrotman | darius12: so find him an admin to hire |
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| 14:44.47 | Fox_1_ | people I have video card ATI X1300 which has TV-out, I have connected it to my TV. Now it shows the same as on my display, but I want use it as extend monitor, as in windows. any ideas? |
| 14:44.49 | darius12 | Any real admin would die from boredom if tasked to open new hosting accounts / redirects etc |
| 14:45.14 | vorsprung | darius12, remind me not to hire you :) |
| 14:45.43 | darius12 | vorsprung: why? you actually like doing those things? |
| 14:46.26 | abrotman | darius12: i'd rather pay for an admin to do that than pay for an admin to setup some web tool |
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| 14:47.25 | darius12 | abrotman: It's nice that you think this way :-) |
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| 14:48.33 | darius12 | But since the web tool will do that for a one-time 600 euro or so license, how much would you pay this hypothetical admin? |
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| 14:49.54 | wols_ | darius12: you need to use the webtool too and that time isn't free either |
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| 14:50.34 | wols_ | with an admin that can do it manually you know he has some insight into how to get stuff done without fancy GUIs which hide complexity and make errors |
| 14:50.35 | darius12 | Yes, but with e.g., plesk he does all those things in 2 minutes already. |
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| 14:50.53 | darius12 | wols_ this is true. |
| 14:51.25 | darius12 | But here, people usually prefer to do these mistakes and then just pay people like me occasionally to fix their mess. |
| 14:51.47 | abrotman | darius12: it's just an opinion :) |
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| 14:52.12 | wols_ | admins are people you want to fix messes. rodent pushers can't solve anything but how to reiinsert the isntall CDs |
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| 14:52.14 | darius12 | I think it is economics. Decentralization is the mantra of our time |
| 14:52.48 | darius12 | wols_, exactly |
| 14:52.58 | Joelito | hi all, I'll try weekly-builds @ http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:53.21 | Joelito | If I just want the gnome, do I only need cd-1? |
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| 14:54.17 | wols_ | Joelito: you shouldn't use weekly builds |
| 14:54.53 | Joelito | wols_: why, is it that bad? :( |
| 14:55.28 | wols_ | often buggy. install etch and upgrade |
| 14:58.59 | Joelito | oh, ok...well. |
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| 15:00.41 | arnuld | I have installed Debian Etch AMD64 |
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| 15:00.42 | aspWork | wols_, am i reading it right that gnome 2.22 is in sid now? |
| 15:00.56 | arnuld | Itried to install some packges |
| 15:01.00 | abrotman | aspWork: moment |
| 15:01.07 | CppIsWeird | if i copy a whole linux hard drive, the system drive, does it preserve permissions? |
| 15:01.14 | arnuld | but I get this messages: |
| 15:01.29 | abrotman | aspWork: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.22-status.html |
| 15:01.35 | arnuld | couldn't find package "extra", more than 40 packages contain "extra" in their name |
| 15:01.39 | arnuld | what doe sthat mean ? |
| 15:01.42 | darius12 | CppWeird: it depends |
| 15:01.53 | aspWork | abrotman, read that one, and from my limited understanding that means most parts of 2.22 is in sid, right? |
| 15:01.59 | themill | wols_: the d-i team would probably welcome someone testing the lenny d-i beta ;) |
| 15:02.07 | darius12 | I meant CppIsWeird: it depends |
| 15:02.08 | CppIsWeird | what does it depend on darius? |
| 15:02.16 | wols_ | aspWork: ask pdo not me. don't use gnome :) |
| 15:02.22 | aspWork | oh :) |
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| 15:02.41 | wols_ | themill: people who need to ask about testing and sid, or what is on CD, dunno if they are suitable testers imho |
| 15:02.44 | darius12 | CppIsWeird: how you do the copying of course (cp -a, tar & untar, rsync ...) |
| 15:02.46 | CppIsWeird | i just started that process in konqueror as root |
| 15:02.51 | themill | wols_: agreed |
| 15:03.32 | arnuld | aptitude says: couldn't find package "extra", more than 40 packages contain "extra" in their name |
| 15:03.44 | arnuld | while it is still installing packages |
| 15:03.45 | arnuld | ? |
| 15:04.00 | petemc | doing it wrong |
| 15:04.01 | darius12 | CppIsWeird: Doing this as root was good, but I 'm not sure what konqueror/kio does under the covers. |
| 15:04.02 | Justin | arnuld: what, exactly, did you do |
| 15:04.06 | isha | tell me how to get the bootsplash using deb-live |
| 15:04.33 | darius12 | CppIsWeird: But since you are already doing this, you can just test if it worked :-) |
| 15:04.33 | arnuld | Justin: aptitude install (lots of packages) |
| 15:04.37 | wols_ | !tell isha about live |
| 15:04.45 | wols_ | isha: you are in the wrong channel |
| 15:05.19 | isha | wols_, i didnt get any solution from debian-live |
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| 15:05.52 | isha | wols_, live-helper is a debain package only |
| 15:06.04 | rom | pourriez vous me dire à quoi correspond chaque numéro de /etc/rc0.d à /etc/rc5.d svp? |
| 15:06.22 | jones- | rom: English. |
| 15:06.26 | rom | ok |
| 15:06.26 | arnuld | no one seesm to know the answer :\ |
| 15:06.45 | rom | could you tell me what each number means from /etc/rc0.d and /etc/rc5.d |
| 15:06.46 | rom | please |
| 15:06.59 | arnuld | rom: read Debian Reference Manual |
| 15:07.06 | rom | url? |
| 15:07.07 | darius12 | rom: you can also google for "runlevel" |
| 15:07.12 | wols_ | a!tell rom about runlevels |
| 15:07.17 | wols_ | !tell rom about runlevels |
| 15:07.20 | arnuld | rom: I found about that ay my 1st day os using Debian |
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| 15:07.33 | rom | thanks |
| 15:07.37 | rom | so if I want to lunch a script |
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| 15:07.42 | rom | at boot |
| 15:07.45 | wols_ | isha: if you have a debian-arm specific question we still shunt you to debian-arm even if it's aboute debian packages |
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| 15:07.53 | rom | I can put it in rc1.d ? |
| 15:07.54 | wols_ | !tell rom about rc.local |
| 15:08.04 | wols_ | rom: usually rc2.d |
| 15:08.24 | rom | ok, but rc.local is better? |
| 15:08.38 | wols_ | depends what you want to do |
| 15:08.46 | darius12 | rom: you can find what is your default runlevel in /etc/inittab |
| 15:08.51 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:08.51 | dpkg | <feerf> ok, the main think that does not work in Woody is that Woody is way too old (like museum now) |
| 15:08.57 | arnuld | I am using only the default repos of Debian, no "non-free" or "contrib" stuff |
| 15:09.09 | arnuld | will Debian work properly with these ? |
| 15:09.22 | rom | I want to lunch a script to enter my ssh passphrase in ssh-add, which is in a text file readable only by root |
| 15:09.25 | arnuld | I amskign becayse I am getting some weired messages as I posted them here |
| 15:09.28 | aspWork | arnuld, yes |
| 15:09.38 | rom | because else I have a problem with autofs/sshfs |
| 15:09.49 | rom | I need to reboot the autofs after entering my passphrase |
| 15:09.53 | rom | which is not very good |
| 15:10.02 | arnuld | aspWork: then what's the meaning of <couldn't fine "extra"> |
| 15:10.21 | aspWork | arnuld, what did you type? apt-get install extra? |
| 15:10.24 | wols_ | it means you searched and the pattern gave too many hits, as the message says |
| 15:10.33 | arnuld | nope |
| 15:10.33 | rom | So i want to enter the passphrase BEFORE the first start of /etc/init.d/autofs |
| 15:10.36 | wols_ | arnuld: aptitude or apt-get? |
| 15:10.56 | rom | so where should I put my script? |
| 15:11.14 | darius12 | rom: then you need to find out where are the symlinks for autofs |
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| 15:11.36 | darius12 | they will look like SXXautofs or sth |
| 15:11.49 | abrotman | aspWork: parts .. yes |
| 15:11.52 | darius12 | then put your script before that :-) |
| 15:11.56 | rom | there is K19autofs in rc1.d, S19autofs in rc2.d ... |
| 15:12.00 | rom | S19autofs in rc3.d |
| 15:12.02 | arnuld | aspWork: apt-gte install alsa-oss ala-utils alsa-tools foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine foomatic-filters foomatic-filters-ppds vorbis-tools sox clisp sbcl ffmpeg ffmpeg2theora |
| 15:12.05 | arnuld | and lots of others |
| 15:12.16 | rom | the same in rc4.d and rc5.d |
| 15:12.21 | arnuld | wols_: OH .. NO |
| 15:12.23 | darius12 | rom: then you can use rc2.d/S18yourscript :-) |
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| 15:12.40 | arnuld | wols_: I missed the "-" for audacious-plugins-extra :\ |
| 15:12.52 | rom | ok, but what about K19autofs in rc1.d |
| 15:12.53 | rom | ? |
| 15:12.57 | arnuld | says sorry to wols_ and aspWork |
| 15:13.06 | darius12 | rom: this is for *stopping* autofs |
| 15:13.13 | rom | ok thanks |
| 15:13.17 | rom | I will try |
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| 15:13.26 | rom | is it a proble if there are others S18xxxxx |
| 15:13.28 | rom | in the folder? |
| 15:13.43 | rom | s/proble/problem/ |
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| 15:13.49 | darius12 | rom: not really, it just executes them in alphabetic order |
| 15:13.54 | rom | ok thanks |
| 15:13.58 | arnuld | that tells me apt-get is better at error reporting :) |
| 15:14.03 | arnuld | than aptitude |
| 15:15.41 | ronr | hi, what is the right chmod value for /tmp? (somehere though it useful to change them :( ) |
| 15:15.58 | darius12 | ronr: 1777? |
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| 15:16.28 | ronr | darius12: ok thx |
| 15:16.32 | leonardo | hi all, i'm using xfce and gksu do not save password for same sessions |
| 15:16.40 | leonardo | but on gnome saves |
| 15:16.50 | darius12 | ronr: you are welcome |
| 15:17.05 | leonardo | anyone here have the same problem? |
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| 15:17.37 | BoH | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-QJvLzWm6o |
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| 15:18.19 | darius12 | Anybody here using opteron servers? Have you seen MCEs in /var/log/mcelog? |
| 15:18.51 | rom | is it possible to FORCE ssh-add to read from other input than the console, even if a console is attached |
| 15:19.07 | rom | (if no console is attached, we can use SSH_ASKPASS variable..) |
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| 15:19.34 | robboplus_ | is there a limit of tcp accept connections in kernel? |
| 15:19.35 | spacix | I would like to list the last dirs made with ls |
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| 15:19.45 | spacix | which parameters should i use, couldn't find it |
| 15:19.54 | Justin | spacix: ls -trl |
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| 15:20.23 | wols_ | robboplus_: iirc yes |
| 15:20.28 | CppIsWeird | is there any way i can get my raid5's configuration data from mdadm so that i can set it back up elsewhere? |
| 15:20.47 | spacix | Justin: thanks |
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| 15:21.56 | aspWork | does anybody else feel that the composite window resizing is slow (in gnome 2.22 or in xcompmgr)? I have a quad core and an nvidia 8600 card, and still it takes like a second or so for the window to resize? am i missing something? |
| 15:22.55 | robboplus_ | wols_ hm... is it possible to check the current limit in kernel? |
| 15:23.06 | robboplus_ | wols_ and can it be different from what ulimit -n shows? |
| 15:23.26 | robboplus_ | i definetly am limited to 1024 while FD is set to 2048 |
| 15:23.35 | aspWork | ie, only the resize of the transperant terminals are slogish |
| 15:23.38 | robboplus_ | shit starts to happen when i have ~1000 |
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| 15:24.11 | TreeStump | hi all |
| 15:24.21 | TreeStump | out of interest |
| 15:26.25 | rom | where the program indicated by SSH_ASKPASS should provide the entered passphrase? on stdout? |
| 15:26.31 | rom | when you use ssh-add without console? |
| 15:27.00 | TreeStump | if i have a few servers which include WEB/MAIL/GAME HOSTING. and i want to monitor their bandwidth also have a firewall/router am i ok with installing a stripped down version of debian on a XEON server and using that as the firewall/router/bandwidth monitor? Or would i see a huge speed increase if i went with a cisco |
| 15:27.10 | TreeStump | bear in mind only a few servers |
| 15:27.20 | petemc | no |
| 15:27.31 | wols_ | robboplus_: shouldn't be diferent afaik |
| 15:28.54 | Justin | TreeStump: heh, cisco firewalls are just linux boxes with accelerator cards |
| 15:29.38 | rom | ? |
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| 15:34.07 | rom | in fact, I would like that autofs WAITS for a passphrase to be entered in ssh-add |
| 15:34.14 | rom | is it possible? |
| 15:35.30 | TreeStump | Justin: Gamers like their servers to be ultra fast though, would i notice any difference in latencies if routing through a linux box? Also is there linux apps i can use to monitor bandwidth used by servers? |
| 15:35.40 | Justin | TreeStump: lots |
| 15:36.02 | Justin | TreeStump: how much bandwith/connections are you going to have? |
| 15:37.02 | TreeStump | there is a 30mb pipe dedicated to the game servers there will be about 15 Virtual game servers running |
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| 15:37.37 | Justin | 30M is nothing |
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| 15:37.50 | TreeStump | for our area it is |
| 15:37.59 | TreeStump | this is a small cities clients |
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| 15:38.27 | TreeStump | obviously a main DC with multiple GB connections its gonna be a diff story |
| 15:40.01 | gloin | Quick question: on an etch server, I need networking to block at bootup so things like ISCSI don't try to load before everything's ready, but for some reason I can't find the flag that's sending ifup to background. Note: this box has a static IP address, so it's not a matter of DHCP lagging, just that it takes a while for the bnx2 driver to finish loading and bring the interface up. |
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| 15:41.30 | Justin | gloin: I don't think it is backgrounded |
| 15:41.47 | Justin | gloin: ifup probably just returns immediately, and isn't aware that your card takes a few seconds to get setup |
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| 15:42.23 | gloin | Justin: right, so I need to probably write a little test in there to see when the card's actually reaching the world before allowing ifup to return |
| 15:43.14 | Justin | gloin: can probably easily make an init script that has 'ping -c1 $router && exit' 5 times or so |
| 15:43.29 | gloin | something like that, yeah |
| 15:43.39 | Justin | gloin: then just add that init script before iscsi |
| 15:43.46 | Justin | kind of hackish, but it should work well |
| 15:43.50 | gloin | or write it into the ifup directly |
| 15:43.57 | gloin | since iscsi isn't the only thing getting buggered by this |
| 15:44.05 | Justin | gloin: that will cause issues with upgrades |
| 15:44.13 | gloin | hmm |
| 15:44.17 | gloin | is thinking bugzilla |
| 15:44.25 | Justin | gloin: though, you could also add it as an 'up' line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:44.38 | Justin | gloin: like up /usr/local/bin/wait_for_network |
| 15:44.42 | Justin | that should make ifup pause |
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| 15:44.43 | jetscreamer | hey dwarf ltns |
| 15:44.49 | Justin | gloin: that's probably your best bet |
| 15:44.50 | gloin | ah, that sounds right |
| 15:44.53 | gloin | thanks Justin |
| 15:44.55 | gloin | hi jetscreamer |
| 15:45.04 | gloin | ltns indeed |
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| 15:45.25 | kryl | hi |
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| 15:46.01 | kryl | I can't upgrade i receive the following error : Errno architecture (x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.18-1-amd64) does not match executable architecture (x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11. |
| 15:46.16 | kryl | what can I do for that please ? |
| 15:46.46 | jetscreamer | which one is your kernel |
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| 15:47.01 | jetscreamer | the 18 or the 22 |
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| 15:47.29 | kryl | 2.6.21.3 |
| 15:47.38 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 15:47.39 | kryl | it's a source kernel |
| 15:47.44 | kryl | an old one |
| 15:47.59 | jetscreamer | beyond me then |
| 15:48.17 | kryl | i'm ok to install the debian actual one |
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| 15:48.29 | kryl | but the apt-get processus is locked ... cause my problem |
| 15:51.35 | iateadonut | thanks, that worked. |
| 15:51.41 | efaistos | is there a pkg or something to keep all updates the same on different servers ? |
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| 15:51.53 | iateadonut | apt-spy |
| 15:51.58 | tarzeau | efaistos: all updates as in? config files? packages? |
| 15:51.59 | cahoot | ? |
| 15:52.00 | efaistos | keep the same configuration everywhere |
| 15:52.03 | tarzeau | efaistos: we use dphys-config/dphys-admin |
| 15:52.06 | themill | efaistos: cron-apt |
| 15:52.07 | tarzeau | efaistos: yeah that'd be dphys-config |
| 15:52.20 | efaistos | tarzeau: pkgs |
| 15:52.27 | tarzeau | efaistos: then dphys-admin |
| 15:52.31 | efaistos | let me check that thanks |
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| 15:53.30 | efaistos | tarzeau: found dphys-config but not the admin one |
| 15:53.36 | tarzeau | efaistos: it's not in debian |
| 15:54.06 | efaistos | hmmm ... what it does exactly ? |
| 15:54.36 | tarzeau | efaistos: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/projects/dphys-admin/ |
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| 15:56.20 | efaistos | tarzeau: ok thanks |
| 15:56.44 | tarzeau | efaistos: you can find a more thorough doc on it at http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
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| 15:58.08 | benjamindees | can I use /etc/network/interfaces to setup a bridge? |
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| 15:59.43 | SlayerXP | benjamindees: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 15:59.44 | efaistos | thanks tarzeau |
| 15:59.45 | wols_ | yes. by loading sripts via that file |
| 16:00.10 | wols_ | *scripts. /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
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| 16:01.39 | nohup_ | good day all |
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| 16:02.30 | nohup_ | i have an entry "*.* /dev/ttyS0" in my /etc/syslog.conf, but after n messages (couple of thousands ? it might also be time-related) it just stops outputting anything to it |
| 16:02.45 | nohup_ | and it starts working again if i restart syslogd |
| 16:03.09 | nohup_ | does anyone have a clue in which direction i should look? |
| 16:03.22 | cmatheson | i'm reading the documentation on drbd (i need two active disks synced across the network), but it says that the two active disk setup is "much slower"--that's a bit vague for me, does anyone have any experience w/ this? |
| 16:04.05 | abrotman | "much" is greater than "a little" :) |
| 16:04.20 | petemc | much greater or a little greater? |
| 16:04.37 | abrotman | see .. that depends on your environment |
| 16:04.55 | cahoot | much smaller? |
| 16:05.04 | infernixx | cmatheson: you're using a clustered filesystem? |
| 16:05.17 | infernixx | that'll be slower by definition |
| 16:05.21 | cmatheson | infernix, i haven't set it up yet, but yeah, i was planning to use gfs2 or ocfs2 |
| 16:06.05 | infernixx | depending on the setup |
| 16:06.13 | cmatheson | infernix, i realize that locking issues w/ the clustered file system slow things down, but i think the two-way sync is also a factor w/ the drbd setup |
| 16:06.14 | infernixx | if drbd needs to verify that the writes were done on both disks |
| 16:06.19 | infernixx | this will slow things down considerably |
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| 16:06.34 | infernixx | since you're talking of several ms increase due to LAN overhead |
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| 16:07.02 | infernixx | maybe if 12ms is your disc baseline you could be looking at adding 20-100ms |
| 16:07.07 | infernixx | for every single write |
| 16:07.20 | cmatheson | hmm, that is pretty intensely rotten |
| 16:07.21 | helo | what is the best way to make my debian box shock the shit out of anyone who touches it? |
| 16:07.24 | infernixx | in other words, RTFM carefully and wrap the concept around your head |
| 16:07.28 | infernixx | cmatheson: it's the nature of the beast |
| 16:07.42 | infernixx | you could set it to not verify writes |
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| 16:07.49 | infernixx | but thats a slippery slope in and of itself |
| 16:08.11 | cmatheson | infernix, i guess so. maybe i should just go w/ a dedicated nfs file server w/ a redundant failover instead of trying to fit all this on two boxes |
| 16:08.31 | infernixx | doing holy grail kind of stuff isn't for the weak of heart :) |
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| 16:09.56 | infernixx | you could also do regular drbd |
| 16:10.06 | infernixx | and export the stuff over nfs to the other box |
| 16:10.19 | infernixx | with heartbeat you can make it work both ways |
| 16:10.43 | infernixx | #linux-ha is where you should ask, tho |
| 16:10.58 | Daveman | Greetings, abrotman |
| 16:11.01 | abrotman | HI |
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| 16:11.14 | Daveman | :) |
| 16:11.20 | Daveman | Abrotman, what'd I miss? |
| 16:11.28 | abrotman | nothing good |
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| 16:11.38 | rom | hi |
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| 16:12.57 | rom | is it more secure to have an encrypted key with a passphrase and an automatic "ssh-add" reading the key in a file with permissions 500, THAN having an unencrypted key |
| 16:12.58 | rom | ? |
| 16:13.45 | cmatheson | infernix, cool, i'll mull all this over a bit, thanks |
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| 16:14.45 | simonrvn | G'AFTERNOON ABROTMAN! |
| 16:14.50 | \amethyst | rom: this file with permissions 0500 is on the same filesystem as the key? |
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| 16:15.05 | rom | yes, but owned by root |
| 16:15.10 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 16:15.13 | rom | while the key is owned by the user |
| 16:15.32 | \amethyst | how does that work? |
| 16:15.54 | rom | for example at boot, a script run ssh-add reading the key from the textfile |
| 16:16.00 | \amethyst | ssh-add to what? |
| 16:16.03 | rom | and register it in ssh-agent |
| 16:16.15 | \amethyst | but the user doesn't have an ssh agent yet |
| 16:16.45 | rom | yes, it is a bit strange, but sudo ssh-add -l or ssh-add -l give the same result |
| 16:16.57 | rom | if I sudo ssh-add, then i connect with user id to ssh |
| 16:16.58 | rom | it works |
| 16:17.11 | rom | and if I ssh-add as user and I connect with sudo ssh |
| 16:17.12 | rom | it works |
| 16:17.13 | rom | too |
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| 16:17.55 | rom | I think it is maybe a bit more secure, because program lunched by the user can't read the passphrase |
| 16:18.06 | rom | while with an unencrypted key, programs lunched by the user can |
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| 16:19.45 | simonrvn | nope |
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| 16:21.37 | \amethyst | rom: what user does the ssh-agent run as? |
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| 16:22.06 | rom | ps aux | grep ssh-agent : ça donne root |
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| 16:22.40 | \amethyst | then that might be reasonable---since the user wouldn't have permissions to see the unencrypted key in any way |
| 16:22.58 | \amethyst | rom: if it were running as the user, they could attach to the agent with gdb and extract information that way |
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| 16:24.11 | DiKeert | Hi, all! |
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| 16:26.34 | rom | I would like to do that, because once I have added my key in ssh-agent, I need to restart autofs |
| 16:27.02 | rom | else autofs/sshfs still use password (but no way to enter it) instead of public/private key |
| 16:27.15 | rom | so I would like to ssh-add BEFORE running autofs |
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| 16:28.19 | jetscreamer | good seeing you again gloin digital |
| 16:28.44 | jetscreamer | bails |
| 16:29.35 | DiKeert | Hi, what programm in Debian can to open Guitar-Pro tabs? |
| 16:30.15 | SzArAk | DiKeert: try dguitar, but i'm not sure if you will find a .deb |
| 16:30.17 | jetscreamer | iirc apt-caceh search guitar |
| 16:30.24 | jetscreamer | cache |
| 16:30.45 | jetscreamer | there are lots of guitar tab programs, can't swear which does the pro |
| 16:31.53 | DiKeert | thanx |
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| 16:38.42 | rom | when a daemon is launched, in /etc/init.d/xxxxx |
| 16:38.48 | rom | it restarts automatically on reboot |
| 16:39.01 | tarzeau | is that a question? |
| 16:39.02 | rom | how to disable that behaviour? |
| 16:39.14 | rom | I want a daemon to always be stopped on boot |
| 16:39.15 | tarzeau | man update-rc.d |
| 16:39.39 | rom | ah bah oui jsuis bête suffit de virer les liens |
| 16:39.50 | rom | sorry |
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| 16:39.57 | \amethyst | rom: rename the link /etc/rcN.d/SXYthescript to KXYthescript |
| 16:40.01 | rom | "I am an idiot, i have just to remove the links" :) |
| 16:40.10 | rom | ok thank you :) |
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| 16:40.20 | rom | in all rcX.d? |
| 16:40.23 | vlatko | rom, don't remove them! |
| 16:40.27 | vlatko | just rename |
| 16:40.29 | rom | ok vlatko |
| 16:40.36 | \amethyst | rom: at least rc2, probably also rc3, rc4, and rc5 |
| 16:40.51 | tarzeau | \amethyst: just rc2 |
| 16:40.57 | rom | thank you |
| 16:40.58 | joltcan | rom: update-rc.d -f <foo> remove |
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| 16:41.03 | \amethyst | depends on whether you use the custom runlevels |
| 16:41.14 | \amethyst | s/probably/possibly/ |
| 16:41.17 | rom | is there a way to make autofs use the passphrase entered in ssh-add without restarting it? |
| 16:41.18 | joltcan | rom: Then you can make them run easy by usinb update-rc.d <foo> defaults |
| 16:41.27 | arnuld | I used Archlinux which has newer version of k3b than etch. While burning the CD/DVD on that version I had to choose an option that I want my CD to be "linux/UNIX./Windows" compatible or "Linux/UNIX only" |
| 16:41.33 | \amethyst | joltcan: no |
| 16:41.47 | arnuld | on the k3b on Etch I do not have those options |
| 16:42.11 | grand_grunt | arnuld: It's a question about the volume name, I believe to remember |
| 16:42.17 | arnuld | no |
| 16:42.21 | arnuld | YES |
| 16:42.24 | arnuld | RIGHT MAN' |
| 16:42.25 | arnuld | :) |
| 16:42.38 | rom | anyone knows for making autofs using the passphrase entered in ssh-add without restarting the server? |
| 16:42.39 | \amethyst | joltcan: that also removes the shutdown scripts, so if the daemon were started manually, its shutdown script wouldn't run |
| 16:42.50 | arnuld | so any idea on how to use that option. I do not want my Data CD to be readable on Windows |
| 16:42.58 | arnuld | grand_grunt: so any idea on how to use that option. I do not want my Data CD to be readable on Windows |
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| 16:43.05 | grand_grunt | I've burned one with only Linux/Unix compatibility for a TV DVD Player, and it ran good |
| 16:43.22 | grand_grunt | Use the Linux/Unix if you want a volume name bigger |
| 16:43.41 | arnuld | k3b on Etch do not have any such option :\ |
| 16:43.50 | arnuld | as it is older version |
| 16:44.02 | assasukasse | hi, could someone tell me what would happens if i install the kernel from testing in etch? is it possible? |
| 16:44.05 | grand_grunt | Since everything uses Linux/Unix, except nerds computer, prefer the long volume name ^^ |
| 16:44.30 | grand_grunt | arnuld: it's better to get a new option, isn't it? |
| 16:44.35 | arnuld | :D |
| 16:44.44 | arnuld | it is some sort of iso-level option ? |
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| 16:45.04 | joltcan | \amethyst: so then he wants to do update-rc.d -f <foo> remove ; update-rc.d <foo> stop 20 2 3 4 5 |
| 16:45.25 | grand_grunt | arnuld: Mhh.. it's a question of file system I beg.. in facts I don't really know |
| 16:45.57 | \amethyst | joltcan: that gets rid of the rc6 and rc0 scripts |
| 16:46.03 | \amethyst | s/scripts/links/ |
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| 16:46.24 | joltcan | \amethyst: I just wanted to point out that there is a debian way of doing it |
| 16:46.29 | grand_grunt | arnuld: I'm seeking this option and K3B and try to tell you |
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| 16:47.45 | Joelito | is there any problems if I burn a multisession CD with brasero and later on with k3b? |
| 16:48.20 | arnuld | grand_grunt: found it ? |
| 16:48.24 | seeds | how do you run gnome applets from the shell? |
| 16:48.29 | grand_grunt | arnuld: found THE doc, but it's French. you where right, each ISO level accepts different chars |
| 16:48.45 | grand_grunt | arnuld: want the (French) link? |
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| 16:50.02 | grand_grunt | arnuld: The best is level 3, that accepts everything. level 2 accepts @ - ^ ! $ % & ( ) # ~ and 32 only sub-directories |
| 16:50.30 | arnuld | grand_grunt: so level 3 will make DVD Windows UNreadable ? |
| 16:51.02 | grand_grunt | arnuld: not sure. A good way would be to give it a very long volume name, I think. |
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| 16:51.33 | arnuld | grand_grunt: what about "Allow Max Length ISO9660 Filenames (37 characters)" option ? |
| 16:52.27 | grand_grunt | That's it. Windows can read only something like 11 chars. The ISO allows 37 chars. |
| 16:52.55 | arnuld | grand_grunt: thats great news :) |
| 16:53.19 | grand_grunt | It's that I did. And home DVD players read them very well, since the run with Linux. |
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| 16:53.42 | arnuld | grand_grunt: thansk for that Home DVD player info |
| 16:53.49 | arnuld | grand_grunt: very much useful to me :) |
| 16:53.56 | anvesh | difference between su and sux? |
| 16:53.58 | grand_grunt | arnuld: you should check after the burn, with a Windows |
| 16:54.11 | cahoot | anvesh: man sux? |
| 16:54.16 | grand_grunt | anvesh: sux doesn't need the passwd? |
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| 16:54.30 | anvesh | no sux asked me password |
| 16:54.47 | anvesh | i want the diff cahoot |
| 16:55.05 | cahoot | anvesh: think xauth |
| 16:55.23 | grand_grunt | anvesh: sux seems to be for running GUI apps as root, in a user session. |
| 16:55.40 | grand_grunt | excuse my first answer, I thank it was a joke.. "sux".. lol |
| 16:55.40 | anvesh | xauth? |
| 16:55.44 | arnuld | grand_grunt: ok, I will do it at some cafe |
| 16:55.51 | arnuld | grand_grunt: thanks BTW |
| 16:55.54 | anvesh | k k |
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| 16:56.41 | arnuld | grand_grunt: you used that 37 chars option with a Video DVD ? |
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| 16:56.58 | grand_grunt | arnuld: it was a DVD with files. |
| 16:58.47 | grand_grunt | arnuld: all Death Note on two DVD, if you want to know. And I needed a long name to write the name of the girl I gave it, the first and last episode, my own name.. so I activated it, thinking "she will read it only with her home DVD" |
| 16:59.59 | arnuld | grand_grunt: :D |
| 17:00.05 | grand_grunt | arnuld: sorry, I did tried it on a Windows. It may be able to read and truncate. If you are vicious, start the volume name with eleven blanks. If Windows truncates, the DVD will have no name |
| 17:00.22 | grand_grunt | did NOT * |
| 17:00.23 | arnuld | grand_grunt: thats a trick ;) |
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| 17:00.45 | arnuld | grand_grunt: what about Joliet Extensions ? |
| 17:00.51 | grand_grunt | arnuld: i DID NOT try, wanted to say |
| 17:01.02 | grand_grunt | arnuld: Joliet is Microsoft |
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| 17:01.18 | arnuld | grand_grunt: so not necessary for DVD readin/burning on Linux ? |
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| 17:01.53 | grand_grunt | arnuld: exact. Linux uses ISO8660, and I think it understands 1 2 and 3 levels of ISO |
| 17:02.42 | arnuld | grand_grunt: nice, Joliet too is gone from K3B options selection ;) |
| 17:02.57 | grand_grunt | arnuld: there may be some compatibility with Joliet under Linux, but who uses wine if the app' is avalaible Linux-native? Same thing for DVD formats |
| 17:03.40 | arnuld | grand_grunt: yes, I never used wine because I already had single booted Linux system. Why would anyoen need wine at all |
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| 17:04.11 | arnuld | grand_grunt: BRB |
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| 17:10.13 | arnuld | grand_grunt: I am back :) |
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| 17:10.44 | rjent | Greetings, I am running lenny with kdm and I want it to show up in a chooser list on another system, which I have it doing, but when I select from the chooser list all I get is the grey screen then drops back to the chooser screen. Any ideas? |
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| 17:13.32 | grand_grunt | arnuld: I'm also with only Linux system, and it's the reason I sometimes uses wine |
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| 17:15.04 | vinc456 | i switched from a 17 inch monitor to a 20 inch, but the terminal window has not resized itself appropriately |
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| 17:15.27 | arnuld | grand_grunt: I decided to put every Windows application in the grave |
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| 17:15.50 | arnuld | grand_grunt: but that's my way , i have no contrib or non-free in sources.list |
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| 17:16.29 | vinc456 | i'm working through ssh and running a screen session, mutt and bash seem to be ok but my emacs buffers remain 17 inch, any suggestions as to what i could look into? |
| 17:16.31 | yigal | when in X, using xmonad, I have multiple instance of screen using 5 urxvt and in one I start vim and it takes 8s to load when without multiple instances it takes 1-2s, can someone help |
| 17:16.59 | yigal | vinc456: interesting both screen problems :) |
| 17:17.10 | yigal | vinc456: try screen -A |
| 17:17.15 | yigal | ? |
| 17:17.18 | romano2k | hi everyone! does anyone know where i can find the ip_conntrack_rtsp module? |
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| 17:19.02 | Seb | what shell can I give a user who should only be allowed to do port forwarding through ssh ? |
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| 17:19.17 | Seb | i thought /sbin/nologin would do, like it does on BSD, but apparently not |
| 17:20.30 | simonrvn | /bin/false ? =) |
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| 17:21.21 | nepbabu | /dev/null muahahaha! |
| 17:21.23 | vinc456` | screen -A fixed it, thanks |
| 17:21.25 | Seb | i take that back, /bin/false works |
| 17:21.27 | Seb | but you need -N |
| 17:21.31 | Seb | that's what I was missing |
| 17:21.36 | vinc456` | took out my erc buffer though! |
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| 17:22.10 | yigal | vinc456: sorry to hear, well at least in the future it will be right |
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| 17:22.38 | grand_grunt | arnuld: You're a real one ! |
| 17:22.48 | arnuld | grand_grunt: ;) |
| 17:22.57 | arnuld | grand_grunt: not real one though |
| 17:23.13 | arnuld | grand_grunt: can be Futureal the one |
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| 17:23.36 | yigal | has anyone had problems with multidisplay mode for screen, -x ? |
| 17:23.38 | romano2k | any idea about my "issue"? |
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| 17:24.40 | yigal | can someone give a guess as to my screen problem? |
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| 17:25.56 | yigal | this is a super bummer 8s for a vim instance |
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| 17:27.27 | PepperBob | hi all! |
| 17:27.47 | PepperBob | how can i find out with which flags a binary was compiled? |
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| 17:29.30 | PepperBob | .. in my example i'd like to see the configure flags used when compiling php |
| 17:29.33 | PepperBob | any ideas? |
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| 17:30.08 | vinc456 | yigal: i've heard there are issues with screens within screens, (you can create new windows or a seperate screen session) and also maybe having many instances of a terminal emulator might slow things down |
| 17:30.22 | pgpkeys | PepperBob: you'll only see that in the Makefile |
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| 17:31.13 | pgpkeys | other than backmatching manually from strings binary |
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| 17:31.38 | PepperBob | pgpkeys, so there's no way to figure out with which flag php was compiled that i got from the stable repo? |
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| 17:32.27 | pgpkeys | you can by looking at the output of php_info(); and backmatching |
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| 17:33.26 | deadcat | i have so many photos from my SLR camera, some are normal some are tilted 90 degree. is there a way to go through all and convert the ones that are not tilted? |
| 17:33.48 | deadcat | the camera lcd does it. but when i copy them to my comp. they are not |
| 17:33.49 | PepperBob | pgpkeys, well ok. thanks! |
| 17:34.31 | pgpkeys | i don't know if there is a param to the bin that will give you the info that call returns when viewed from the web. |
| 17:34.52 | pgpkeys | i don't remember the last time i dealt with the bin direct actually |
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| 17:35.47 | simonrvn | apt-get source php5-cgi and look at debian/rules |
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| 17:36.04 | pgpkeys | s/param/switch/g (even though a switch is technically a param too) |
| 17:36.19 | simonrvn | PepperBob, pgpkeys ^^^ |
| 17:36.25 | pgpkeys | just read |
| 17:36.32 | pgpkeys | forgot about the rules file |
| 17:36.38 | crono- | I'm trying to reinstall a package that has had some of its files manually removed, however i cant remove it because it has too many dependencies and not install it as its concidered installed.. what can I do besides installing it from source? |
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| 17:36.53 | PepperBob | simonrvn, thanks :) |
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| 17:37.25 | simonrvn | crono-: so what exactly do you want to do, you're trying to do? |
| 17:37.28 | bashiskillingme | Anyone know any reason why when run in a bash shell script.. tar would add a ? to the end of a file name to make it "blah.tar.gz?" |
| 17:38.01 | PepperBob | pgpkeys, actually it shows me enabled functionality - as it seems I'm already using "PDO" i guess it has been compiled with pdo... :) |
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| 17:38.17 | PepperBob | pgpkeys, that will do i hope :) |
| 17:38.20 | crono- | simonrvn: reinstall 'login' in the most debian-like way |
| 17:38.20 | deadcat | bashiskillingme: whats the command for tar you using? |
| 17:38.20 | pgpkeys | PepperBob: right. that's what i was saying |
| 17:38.28 | simonrvn | yes it has |
| 17:38.42 | simonrvn | crso you want to reinstall the missing files? |
| 17:38.43 | pgpkeys | if you see what support is there you can usually back match that to what the switch would be to enable that |
| 17:38.49 | simonrvn | crono-: ^^^ |
| 17:38.50 | crono- | yea |
| 17:38.57 | bashiskillingme | tar -czf <filename> |
| 17:39.03 | pgpkeys | and the Makefile in generic tarballs show you |
| 17:39.07 | simonrvn | crono-: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:39.16 | pgpkeys | totally forgot about the debian/rules file though |
| 17:39.24 | deadcat | bashiskillingme: can you paste your script to a paste bin? |
| 17:39.25 | bashiskillingme | Nothing special just using -czf and the normal name and path to tar |
| 17:39.31 | alturiak | bashiskillingme: did you upload that script from a windows-machine, possibly? |
| 17:39.37 | bashiskillingme | Which paste bin |
| 17:39.42 | deadcat | bashiskillingme: any |
| 17:39.42 | pgpkeys | pastebin.ca |
| 17:39.55 | pgpkeys | .com is slow to return |
| 17:40.30 | crono- | simonrvn: ah, thanks |
| 17:40.45 | simonrvn | should fix you right up |
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| 17:41.05 | tecjas | hi |
| 17:41.22 | pgpkeys | wish they made a vmware portable :) i could run right off the dongle :) |
| 17:41.24 | bashiskillingme | http://www.pastebin.ca/947715 |
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| 17:44.14 | bashiskillingme | I didn't uh do anything funky it's a pretty basic script thats why I'm scratching my head as to why it would add a "?" to the end of the filename |
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| 17:46.00 | Justin | bashiskillingme: does 'cat -v yourscript' show anything odd? |
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| 17:46.53 | bashiskillingme | yeah I guess it actually does it shows ^M... gonna feel like a newb now |
| 17:46.59 | fmobs | hello, can somebody tell me, wheather the problem with openssl packaged is solved in testing-install-cd? |
| 17:47.27 | pgpkeys | ^M is the representation for a newline that's all. |
| 17:47.32 | deadcat | bashiskillingme: did you create the file on a windows machine? |
| 17:47.45 | bashiskillingme | I did originally yes |
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| 17:48.03 | pgpkeys | but do you have a seq with a ? in it that isn't supposed to be there |
| 17:48.14 | deadcat | Justin: good call on the cat -v |
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| 17:48.23 | pgpkeys | bashiskillingme: you can use dos2unix to convert |
| 17:48.35 | pgpkeys | agreed |
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| 17:48.54 | alturiak | could have saved like 10 minutes, had you just answered me before :p |
| 17:48.56 | bashiskillingme | Les see if this server has that installed. Thanks for the help guys.. that should've been an obvious thing to check first |
| 17:48.57 | jeward | I just upgraded a server from sarge to etch and now get a strange nagios error on DISK: DISK CRITICAL - 0 kB (0%) free on /proc/fs/nfsd |
| 17:49.03 | jeward | How can I correct this? |
| 17:49.16 | deadcat | bashiskillingme: you can strip them out in vi |
| 17:49.28 | pgpkeys | perks his ears |
| 17:49.31 | Justin | jeward: tell nagios to ignore stuff /proc ? |
| 17:49.40 | simonrvn | jeward: ignore it (i.e. get nagios to ignore that, it's a spurious error) |
| 17:49.55 | jeward | Justin: I don't see where I do that in nagios? |
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| 17:50.04 | pgpkeys | deadcat: do tell |
| 17:51.01 | deadcat | pgpkeys: let me look through my .vimrc file i have it mapped |
| 17:51.02 | bashiskillingme | Well I'm good to go now folks. Thanks for your help, and thank for having patience with something I shoudl've obviously caught myself :) |
| 17:51.09 | pgpkeys | deadcat: rockin |
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| 17:51.52 | deadcat | pgpkeys: 1,$ s/<C-M>//g |
| 17:51.53 | Justin | doesn't :%s/^v^m// work? |
| 17:51.57 | deadcat | pgpkeys: command! NODOS 1,$ s/<C-M>//g <-- in my .vimrc file |
| 17:51.59 | pgpkeys | no |
| 17:52.05 | jeward | Oh, I found it, thanks! |
| 17:52.13 | pgpkeys | it treats each as an individual char, not a control |
| 17:52.33 | pgpkeys | deadcat: going right into tooltips.txt |
| 17:52.51 | Justin | when you type ^v^m inside vim you get a '^M' as a single char |
| 17:53.23 | deadcat | that works too. |
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| 17:53.49 | PepperBob | pgpkeys, I should have better RTFM... `php -m` will tell me... |
| 17:53.49 | pgpkeys | next entry :) |
| 17:53.56 | pgpkeys | PepperBob: nice |
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| 17:54.43 | pgpkeys | Justin: that just vim or will vi do it as well (actually I'll test in nvi here on freebsd) |
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| 17:55.08 | pgpkeys | works |
| 17:55.31 | pgpkeys | aka not vim specific. never knew that, nice |
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| 17:59.27 | simonrvn | i do the :%s/^v^m//g thing |
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| 17:59.44 | abrotman | simonrvn: you perv! |
| 17:59.51 | simonrvn | emacs does it for me if i switch coding system for the buffer |
| 18:00.27 | pgpkeys | i feel like a jackass actually. i've used vi(m) for years ad years, never knew. |
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| 18:02.57 | msm | how do I know in gnome what is my current resolution ? |
| 18:03.10 | abrotman | there's a screen resolutionb applet |
| 18:03.37 | Justin | or xdpyinfo | grep dim |
| 18:04.46 | abrotman | that's not a very gnome-ish solution :) |
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| 18:05.29 | msm | Justin: it shows 640x480. I have added mode line of higher resolution but dont know why its not picking it |
| 18:05.38 | deadcat | xrandr works right? |
| 18:05.39 | pgpkeys | restarted X |
| 18:05.41 | pgpkeys | ? |
| 18:05.43 | msm | abrotman: I could not locate the applet |
| 18:05.49 | Justin | msm: read the X log |
| 18:05.53 | Andy5635353 | i just done an apt-get install firefox, but where is the programme to run? |
| 18:05.59 | abrotman | msm: the X log should tell you why |
| 18:06.02 | pgpkeys | firefix-bin |
| 18:06.06 | _haxi_ | where are installed nvidia drivers? |
| 18:06.06 | pgpkeys | err fox |
| 18:06.10 | abrotman | msm: and IIRC the applet is under the Preferences menu |
| 18:06.15 | Justin | Andy5635353: just run firefox |
| 18:06.19 | Andy5635353 | how? |
| 18:06.24 | Andy5635353 | i am using gnome |
| 18:06.31 | _haxi_ | type firefox in a terminal |
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| 18:06.38 | Justin | Andy5635353: gnome? it should be in the menu |
| 18:06.41 | deadcat | Andy5635353: from the program menu thing |
| 18:06.42 | _haxi_ | or search the icon on applications -> internet |
| 18:06.43 | craigevil | how the hell did you do apt-get install firefox? there is no firefox in debian its iceweasel |
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| 18:06.58 | deadcat | craigevil: stable maybe? |
| 18:07.05 | Justin | !+info firefox |
| 18:07.07 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:07.10 | dpkg | Package 'firefox' does not exist. |
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| 18:07.16 | Justin | grr, does too :) |
| 18:07.18 | Justin | !+info firefox etch |
| 18:07.20 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:07.21 | dpkg | firefox: (Transition package for iceweasel rename), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.12-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 18:07.24 | Justin | there :) |
| 18:07.41 | Andy5635353 | i mean i installed it from gnome application installer |
| 18:07.53 | Andy5635353 | i thought that was a gui for the apt-get, |
| 18:07.53 | craigevil | ah so firefox will just pull in iceweasel that makes sense |
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| 18:08.09 | Justin | Andy5635353: have you looked in your menus yet? |
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| 18:08.12 | abrotman | Andy5635353: you thought firefox was a GUI for apt ? |
| 18:08.21 | Andy5635353 | no, the installer |
| 18:08.28 | Andy5635353 | firefox is a browser :) |
| 18:08.32 | Andy5635353 | it isn't in the menu |
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| 18:08.51 | abrotman | Andy5635353: do you see Iceweasel ? |
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| 18:09.00 | Andy5635353 | yes, i didn't know that was it |
| 18:09.01 | Andy5635353 | thanks |
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| 18:09.28 | Justin | !+iceweasel |
| 18:09.28 | dpkg | iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 18:09.50 | Andy5635353 | wicked, thats solved that |
| 18:09.54 | msm | abrotman: I found it and it show only 640x480. I had many lines in Xorg |
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| 18:10.02 | Andy5635353 | i want a monitor for apache now |
| 18:10.08 | Andy5635353 | in gnome |
| 18:10.13 | gemidjy | why is xorg ignoring ~/.xprofile ? |
| 18:10.22 | Andy5635353 | i used to have apachectl |
| 18:10.25 | deadcat | whats a .xprofile? |
| 18:10.40 | pgpkeys | isn't it .xsession |
| 18:11.00 | deadcat | or .xinitrc |
| 18:11.16 | deadcat | ive seen xxx profile. not xprofile |
| 18:11.17 | msm | abrotman: I see statements like insufficient memory for 1024x768 |
| 18:11.19 | Justin | Andy5635353: you should still have apachectl |
| 18:11.24 | gemidjy | deadcat: in other nondebian distros you can set i.e. setxkbmap ... |
| 18:11.26 | abrotman | msm: try a lower bit depth |
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| 18:11.34 | msm | abrotman: ok |
| 18:11.34 | Andy5635353 | justin - no |
| 18:11.44 | Justin | Andy5635353: yes :) |
| 18:11.55 | Andy5635353 | apache2ctl |
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| 18:12.02 | deadcat | gemidjy: ah.. |
| 18:12.13 | gemidjy | deadcat: something like a file from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ but for the logged user only |
| 18:12.14 | pgpkeys | find / -type f - name apachectl if which or locate doesn't show it up |
| 18:12.32 | pgpkeys | err |
| 18:12.34 | deadcat | gemidjy: cool. |
| 18:12.46 | pgpkeys | find / -type f -name apachectl even |
| 18:12.58 | msm | abrotman: you meants defaultdepth ? |
| 18:13.06 | Andy5635353 | sorry, i am coming from a suse box to debian locally |
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| 18:13.08 | msm | abrotman: I dont see any thing like bit rate |
| 18:13.15 | abrotman | msm: bit depth is what i said |
| 18:13.16 | trifler | !iburst |
| 18:13.16 | dpkg | iburst is a setting for ntpd that permits it to send out NTP packets to sync to remote NTP servers. unlike burst, this only happens on start, so it is gentle on already busy NTPds |
| 18:13.25 | abrotman | msm: how much video ram do you think you have? |
| 18:13.34 | msm | abrotman: I have 128mb |
| 18:13.43 | abrotman | msm: is it a shared video card? |
| 18:13.45 | msm | abrotman: I dont know about mem on card |
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| 18:13.54 | deadcat | is beryl still the shit or compiz is back in the mix? |
| 18:14.02 | msm | abrotman: any way I can find out |
| 18:14.04 | abrotman | beryl is dead upstream |
| 18:14.11 | msm | abrotman: any way I can find out ? |
| 18:14.14 | abrotman | msm: it's your hardware |
| 18:14.26 | msm | abrotman: but old trident card |
| 18:14.27 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 18:14.27 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 18:14.32 | abrotman | an old what? |
| 18:14.33 | deadcat | abrotman: glad i never used it.. those bastards. |
| 18:14.37 | abrotman | i doubt an old trident has 128MB |
| 18:14.44 | Andy5635353 | what can i install to use a vnc server on the debian box to vnc from a mac? |
| 18:14.50 | msm | abrotman: 128 is my mb ram |
| 18:14.55 | abrotman | msm: ah .. |
| 18:14.59 | abrotman | msm: it's a PCI video card? |
| 18:15.04 | deadcat | Andy5635353: apt-cache search vnc |
| 18:15.07 | msm | abrotman: I can try defaultdepth of 8 |
| 18:15.09 | abrotman | hopes so ... otherwise it'd be REALLY old |
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| 18:15.21 | abrotman | msm: sounds reasonable .. i'm guessing you're trying to get 1024x768 ? |
| 18:15.21 | msm | abrotman: yes pci card |
| 18:15.28 | deadcat | Andy5635353: so beryl just decided they dont want to do anything? |
| 18:15.31 | msm | abrotman: yes or ever more |
| 18:15.36 | Andy5635353 | deadcat - cheers :) |
| 18:15.49 | abrotman | msm: if you're really lucky .. you'll be able to get 1024x768 @ 16bpp .. but i'm fairly skeptical |
| 18:16.00 | _haxi_ | what's the newest nvidia driver? |
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| 18:16.18 | Andy5635353 | is vino my best bet? |
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| 18:17.11 | odla | i want to install gfxboot but the only way that i can find it is as a .rpm. i'd rather not use alien to convert it to a .deb. does anyone know if there's a way to extract the source from an rpm or how best to go about installing it or would alien be my best bet? by the way, i haven't found a .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 for gfxboot either |
| 18:17.12 | sysop2 | hi are there any sd card tools for debian? |
| 18:17.18 | deadcat | Andy5635353: theres tightvncserver xtightvncviewer |
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| 18:17.34 | deadcat | i have those on my compuyter but i dont remember the last time i used either |
| 18:17.48 | abrotman | odla: they have src rpms if you can find it |
| 18:18.10 | odla | abrotman: do you know how i'd extract the source from a src rpm? |
| 18:18.25 | abrotman | odla: do you have a src rpm ? |
| 18:18.34 | deadcat | can somebody give me the latest dirt on compiz and beryl.. i want some of those features in openbox. )= |
| 18:18.57 | abrotman | !compiz-fusion |
| 18:19.00 | odla | abrotman: nope ... i emailed the debian maintainer who is planning on maintaining this package in debian and he sent me a .rpm |
| 18:19.01 | abrotman | !argh |
| 18:19.03 | abrotman | !compiz |
| 18:19.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 18:19.15 | abrotman | odla: guess he wants you to convert it |
| 18:19.37 | odla | abrotman: via alien? |
| 18:19.42 | msm | abrotman: cool it worked. I got 1024x768 working...thanks |
| 18:19.48 | abrotman | odla: sure |
| 18:19.57 | odla | hmm |
| 18:20.16 | msm | abrotman: you in IN USA |
| 18:20.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:20.30 | deadcat | hes also ONLINE |
| 18:20.31 | msm | hmm |
| 18:20.41 | abrotman | deadcat: i am .. but don't tell anyone |
| 18:20.42 | msm | Terre Haute man ? |
| 18:20.43 | pgpkeys | IN indiana. not a yell :) |
| 18:20.48 | deadcat | shhhhhh |
| 18:20.53 | pgpkeys | doh! |
| 18:20.58 | abrotman | pgpkeys: yes .. i misread |
| 18:21.03 | abrotman | no .. not Indy |
| 18:21.16 | msm | abrotman: I kow |
| 18:21.33 | msm | abrotman: indy but went to Terre Haute ? |
| 18:21.54 | pgpkeys | abrotman: hehe actually that's funny. do IN, IN and everyone knows where you mean |
| 18:21.57 | abrotman | i've been to IN once .. other than driving through |
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| 18:22.19 | msm | abrotman: ok then forget it |
| 18:22.25 | abrotman | done |
| 18:22.32 | msm | ok bye |
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| 18:26.24 | sysop2 | I have a corrupted sd card and was looking for tools for linux that will help me fix it. |
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| 18:27.18 | pgpkeys | it's just fat32. there's msdos tools (and iirc base supports formatting fat32 as well as reading) |
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| 18:31.09 | abrotman | !info mondo etch |
| 18:31.12 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.20-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 420 kB, Installed size: 1140 kB |
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| 18:31.36 | rubystallion | How can I stop mounted volumes from showing up on the Desktop? |
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| 18:32.04 | foug | hello, i use Ubuntu 7.10 but the people seem nicer here... Anyways, I downloaded firefox 3 beta 4 and I am having trouble installing it. I do the ./configure command while in the directory, and it tells me "bash: ./configure: No such file or directory" |
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| 18:32.51 | simonrvn | foug: yeh, and #ubuntu is where you should be |
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| 18:33.11 | craigevil | there is no installing the firefox, extract it and run the .bin |
| 18:33.26 | deadcat | foug: ./configure is not installing. its compiling. just wait for them to build the .deb and get the binary.. |
| 18:33.45 | foug | deadcat: right, but shouldn't ./configure work? o.O |
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| 18:35.16 | kdubois | ive compiled and removed a package using configure, make, make install, etc. but now i want to install the package in the repositories again. its saying its installed, but its not working. can anyone help? |
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| 18:35.55 | deadcat | foug: maybe it doesnt have configure in that dir? |
| 18:36.08 | foug | deadcat: i dunno ;_; o'well |
| 18:36.20 | stew | foug: try #firefox |
| 18:36.28 | foug | still do stew , thanks |
| 18:36.30 | stew | kdubois: be more specific |
| 18:36.37 | wols_ | kdubois: makes no sense. anywys: make;make isntall software is not debian |
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| 18:37.49 | kdubois | sorry, what i mean to say is that running "sudo apt-get install vlc" looks like it goes off correctly, but then typing "vlc" into a commandline yields a 'no file found' error |
| 18:38.03 | stew | kdubois: what does "which vlc" return? |
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| 18:39.13 | kdubois | stew: it returns nothing |
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| 18:39.37 | stew | kdubois: does /usr/bin/vlc exist? |
| 18:39.45 | wols_ | kdubois: dpkg -l | grep vlc |
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| 18:40.21 | cr3 | how can I fix this error returned by dpkg -i: Not replacing deleted config file |
| 18:40.31 | wols_ | !confmiss |
| 18:40.32 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 18:40.32 | chops | !confmiss |
| 18:40.32 | abrotman | !tell cr3 about overwrite |
| 18:40.42 | abrotman | erm .. yeah .. wrong thing |
| 18:40.43 | abrotman | ignor eme |
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| 18:41.13 | wols_ | ignors eabrotman |
| 18:41.33 | jsemmanuel | can some one tell me the channel for tiny erp server? |
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| 18:41.50 | kdubois | wols_: stew, http://pastebin.ca/947779 |
| 18:42.10 | cr3 | wols_: I still get the same error when I run dpkg -i --force-confmiss myproject.pkg |
| 18:42.17 | chops | jsemmanuel: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=irc+tiny+erp+server |
| 18:42.31 | wols_ | kdubois: uninstall it and reinstall it then |
| 18:42.37 | bdheeman | jsemmanuel: tiny-erp? better try their web/project site |
| 18:42.44 | wols_ | as stew said to you: it should be in /usr/bin/vlc |
| 18:42.51 | jsemmanuel | bdheeman: chops thanks and sorry |
| 18:42.57 | chops | jsemmanuel: np |
| 18:42.58 | stew | it shouldn't be /usr/bin/vlc and i never said that |
| 18:43.14 | stew | kdubois: "dpkg -L vlc vlc-nox | grep bin" will list possible commands |
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| 18:43.59 | wols_ | kdubois: wxvlc. /usr/bin/wxvlc |
| 18:44.00 | patrick-- | hey, is it possible to give a custom sender address using mail ? |
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| 18:44.37 | kdubois | wols_: now vlc died with an error... :-( |
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| 18:45.15 | wols_ | kdubois: it's a start. du it in ax term |
| 18:45.19 | wols_ | *xterm |
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| 18:45.38 | nicktastic | So usiong the 40r3 installer, when you mark a partition as a crypto volume in partman, how do you assign it a mount point? It just says 'not active' where the mount point would be listed, and I don't see a way to specify a mount point. |
| 18:46.28 | Maulkin | Well, you've made it a crypto volume... you then need to partition that volume |
| 18:46.46 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 18:47.11 | HardDisk_WP | i want to use some windows app on my laptop to control the desktop of my PC (Debian, KDE) |
| 18:47.18 | nicktastic | Ah, there's a 'Configure Encrypted Volumes' option now. |
| 18:47.19 | HardDisk_WP | what's the best solution for me? |
| 18:47.21 | nicktastic | I didn't see that. :) |
| 18:47.34 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: vnc most liekly |
| 18:48.01 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, k...what's the easiest vnc server (in terms of setup)? |
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| 18:48.54 | khades | hi all |
| 18:49.43 | nicktastic | Any chance that the debian-installer daily builds support LUKS (rather than dm-crypt, as I believe you need to re-encrypt the volume to change the passphrase with dm-crypt) |
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| 18:50.48 | sigp239 | Should I Etch --> Lenny --> SID, or Etch --> SID? |
| 18:51.16 | kdubois | tada! i got it going. thanks wols_ & stew |
| 18:51.29 | stew | sigp239: probably not |
| 18:51.33 | wols_ | etch->sid is usually enough, but imho you shouldn't use sid |
| 18:52.17 | sigp239 | Why shouldn't I use sid? |
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| 18:52.38 | Fireball | hello. How to "manually" start eth0 interface in debian? |
| 18:52.41 | Fireball | (etch) |
| 18:52.53 | kdubois | /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up |
| 18:52.59 | Fireball | thank you |
| 18:54.11 | stew | sigp239: its for developers, not users. it breaks often. it might eat all your data and family members, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:54.48 | sigp239 | stew: But I need to install nvidia 3D support for my GeForce 8800 GTX. This is not supported in Etch or Lenny. |
| 18:54.57 | Guerin | sigp239: buy a supported card |
| 18:55.13 | kdubois | sigp239: are the drivers available from nvidia? |
| 18:55.31 | sigp239 | kdubois: Yes but I don't want to install from nvidia.com. |
| 18:55.44 | sigp239 | Guerin: It's cheaper to switch distributions than it is to buy a new card. |
| 18:56.03 | Guerin | sigp239: depends what your time is worth. |
| 18:56.32 | sigp239 | Guerin: Well, linux is a hobby and I don't mind tinkering with it and keeping my skills fresh. |
| 18:57.08 | Guerin | sigp239: will you cry if things stop working? |
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| 18:57.30 | sigp239 | Guerin: No because it's not my main OS |
| 18:57.44 | sigp239 | I have my main OS on another partition. |
| 18:57.47 | stew | sigp239: it would be better to install whatever you need from sid, but keep everything else on testing then to move entirely to sid |
| 18:58.04 | nicktastic | Anyone know if daily builds of debian-installer support LUKS-encrypted partitions? |
| 18:58.13 | stew | nicktastic: they do |
| 18:58.19 | nicktastic | stew: Thanks! |
| 18:58.40 | Guerin | sigp239: well, read the sid faq, read the install guide, and if you want to upgrade, you have the tools to do so. But the main thing is to not bother asking for much help in here, unless you're prepared to do all the background work yourself. |
| 18:58.44 | stew | nicktastic: at least according to the lastest posting to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce |
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| 18:58.55 | azeem | nicktastic: do you plan to install testing or unstable? |
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| 18:59.23 | nicktastic | azeem: unstable |
| 18:59.43 | nicktastic | Will that be a problem? |
| 18:59.54 | azeem | of course |
| 18:59.59 | azeem | but it will be your problem, not ours :) |
| 19:00.02 | nicktastic | In what way? |
| 19:00.05 | Guerin | eh |
| 19:00.08 | Guerin | heh |
| 19:00.08 | azeem | well, not of course, likely |
| 19:00.09 | nicktastic | Or are you just slandering unstable? |
| 19:00.09 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, can I make vncserver overtake an x session? |
| 19:00.43 | azeem | nicktastic: no, but unstable isn't supposed to be installed directly |
| 19:00.59 | stew | HardDisk_WP: i don't believe you can |
| 19:01.07 | nicktastic | azeem: I'll be installing testing (I believe the nightly builds install testing?) and immediately upgrading to unstable |
| 19:01.08 | HardDisk_WP | :( |
| 19:01.20 | stew | HardDisk_WP: vncserver starts its own server, it doesn't talk to an existing server |
| 19:01.24 | Guerin | nightlies don't usually install cleanly. |
| 19:01.35 | azeem | nicktastic: you didn't say that |
| 19:01.44 | azeem | nicktastic: if you install testing, use the beta1 |
| 19:02.06 | nicktastic | azeem: Will do - thanks for the tips |
| 19:02.11 | sigp239 | stew: Okay what's the best way to install testing? From the Lenny netinstall CD? Or upgrade from Etch? |
| 19:02.15 | khades | hm |
| 19:02.35 | khades | there is something wrong in xchat. |
| 19:02.37 | Guerin | sigp239: per the install guide |
| 19:03.19 | stew | sigp239: depends on your definition of best. the lenny netinstall would be quicker if it works, but being an early beta, its likely to not be working |
| 19:03.34 | HardDisk_WP | stew, ok...and i have a problem: if i start vncserver as normal user, i get a grey screen and no kde |
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| 19:03.43 | HardDisk_WP | only if i start as root i get a gui |
| 19:03.50 | HardDisk_WP | but i dont wanna start as root^^ |
| 19:03.58 | sigp239 | Guerin: There's a Lenny install guide on the Debian website? |
| 19:04.24 | jim | HardDisk_WP: grey screen with an X in the middle that moves when you move the mouse? |
| 19:04.37 | HardDisk_WP | yep |
| 19:04.48 | jim | ok, that's -just- the x server |
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| 19:04.58 | stew | HardDisk_WP: i have no idea if vncserver looks for .xsession or .xinitrc or what. check /usr/share/doc/$packagename |
| 19:05.04 | jim | with no clients whatsoever |
| 19:05.32 | ricosecada | Hi, I have set up netfilter to report any drops in the log, but I am wondering if this is really needed since the log very quickly becomes huge. |
| 19:05.33 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: uhm . i think kde has some sort of "remote assistance" option |
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| 19:06.04 | jim | "we'll assist... as long as you stay remote!" |
| 19:07.36 | sigp239 | Guerin: Pardon, but where is the install guide for Lenny? Thanks. |
| 19:07.51 | helo | hath returned |
| 19:08.11 | helo | sorry about that... |
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| 19:08.57 | kryl | is there a possibility to test a kernel on a distant server and come back to the first one if problems occure? |
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| 19:09.32 | jim | kryl: distant server with a serial console that you have access to? |
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| 19:09.56 | helo | do 64-bit binaries noticeably increase the number of instruction cache misses? |
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| 19:10.52 | jim | occurances of instruction cache misses at an approximate rate of one number per one occurance :) |
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| 19:11.10 | stew | kryl: yes (depending on the nature of the problems), /msg dpkg grub fallback |
| 19:11.12 | jim | err nm, got that wrong |
| 19:11.43 | stew | helo: that is very much dependent on the particular cpu, you should probably find a more appropriate place to ask. perhaps #hardware could help |
| 19:12.02 | kryl | for example if i install a bad driver for the hardrive or the network ? |
| 19:12.17 | kryl | that's two different problem |
| 19:12.27 | kryl | or if the kernel crash completely |
| 19:12.31 | kryl | that's obscure |
| 19:12.57 | helo | stew: yeah, just went in there :) |
| 19:12.57 | jim | if the kernel crash completely, you would need to do a hard reset. can you do that remotely? |
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| 19:13.56 | kryl | no |
| 19:14.00 | jim | if the kernel panics, I'm not sure whether ctrl-alt-del works |
| 19:14.36 | jim | this remote server is in a friend's house? a colo facility? |
| 19:15.03 | kryl | I have a watchdog into the server but if the kernel is misconfigured that will fails |
| 19:15.13 | kryl | jim in a datacenter :-) |
| 19:15.14 | helo | in my experience, ctrl-alt-del never works after a panic |
| 19:16.03 | jim | helo: I wonder if a panic could be made to "rewire" ctrl-alt-del to its original functionality |
| 19:16.46 | kryl | ok question |
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| 19:16.52 | jim | nono |
| 19:16.57 | jim | REALLY good question! |
| 19:17.25 | kryl | if the server restart with no problems on the test kernel and I reboot this one with the fallback grub option what's the matter ? |
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| 19:17.48 | jim | what do you mean exactly |
| 19:17.49 | zeitsofas | i have some problem with v4l2 and webcam > http://pastebin.com/m785b31ff any ideas what i can do to fix it ? |
| 19:18.44 | simonrvn | they mean CAN I PIKZ YUR NOZ? |
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| 19:19.33 | jim | IZ YUR NOZ ON STRIKE?!! Y35! SOH PICKET! |
| 19:19.56 | jim | ok, we should stop doing that :) |
| 19:20.00 | simonrvn | CONSIDUR IT PIKT! |
| 19:20.06 | pgpkeys | thank you. you were scaring me |
| 19:20.37 | bkw | redhat x64 platform supports running/compiling 32bit binaries, is that possible to do with etch, and are there in such docs that describes more? |
| 19:21.09 | wols_ | bkw: 32bit chroot? |
| 19:21.12 | jim | bkw: it's just a matter of running the appropriate compiler/binutils |
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| 19:22.16 | chops | bkw: etch support running statically linked 32 bit binaries, building is the same is any other cross-compile I believe, and for anything more complex you probably want a 32-bit chroot |
| 19:22.26 | bkw | jim: så installing debian x64 netinst, then apt-get install build-essentials would prolly get the x64 packages.. |
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| 19:22.56 | henkpoley | Is there something like `xdu` for the console? To view what space your directories use, in a user humanly manner. |
| 19:22.56 | jim | true... you would probably have to build a cross environment |
| 19:23.05 | jim | that's probably what redhat did |
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| 19:23.08 | Yahooadam | is it possible to mount /dev/md0 by a UUID? and if so, how? |
| 19:23.13 | wols_ | henkpoley: du |
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| 19:23.27 | henkpoley | wols_: lol.. pfff.. |
| 19:23.39 | P4C0 | hello, when i do a dpkg -l what does the first 2 letter per line means?? ii is installed i supposed but what about rc?? |
| 19:23.46 | Yahooadam | henkpoley - du -h |
| 19:23.54 | Yahooadam | -h makes it give "human readable" sizes |
| 19:23.55 | henkpoley | Anything less verbose? |
| 19:23.56 | bkw | jim: do you know of any docs that describes how that can be made? |
| 19:23.56 | jim | henkpoley: if you're not using the shell, you're missing about 95% of the power of your os |
| 19:24.13 | wols_ | P4C0: read the legend |
| 19:24.13 | simonrvn | wols_: do? ;p |
| 19:24.16 | henkpoley | I mean, as in I can view just the current dir and the go deeper |
| 19:24.21 | Yahooadam | henkpoley -hs |
| 19:24.28 | henkpoley | I know about the man page of du |
| 19:24.32 | jim | bkw: the book "Using and Porting GNU CC" |
| 19:24.34 | P4C0 | wols_, where? |
| 19:24.43 | wols_ | P4C0: in the dpkg -l output |
| 19:24.50 | Yahooadam | henkpoley - if you do, du -hs * |
| 19:24.54 | jim | which is what the gcc info pages are |
| 19:24.54 | wols_ | henkpoley: then why don't you read it? |
| 19:25.01 | Yahooadam | it will show you the size of each folder in the current directory |
| 19:25.03 | mquin | P4C0: look at the first two lines that dpkg displays |
| 19:25.15 | jim | du -s * |
| 19:25.26 | P4C0 | wols_, mquin ok, sorry, i always grep'ed it :p |
| 19:25.28 | henkpoley | du -hs doesn't seem do much except spouting some read errors |
| 19:25.30 | jim | what's -h? |
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| 19:25.38 | simonrvn | the legend of dpkg -l is a short, but entertaining one |
| 19:25.40 | Gryflhase | Is there a way, to get the sourcecode (it it 's not a binary-only-packages) of all installed packages ? (With one or 2 comands?) |
| 19:25.45 | Yahooadam | jim - human readable, shows it in KB/MB/GB |
| 19:25.46 | henkpoley | "Human-readable" output. Use unit suffixes: Byte, Kilobyte, Megabyte, Gigabyte, Terabyte and Petabyte. |
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| 19:25.59 | jim | ahh |
| 19:26.01 | henkpoley | s Display an entry for each specified file. (Equivalent to -d 0) |
| 19:26.13 | Yahooadam | henkpoley - if its giving read errors you might need root |
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| 19:26.29 | henkpoley | I just du'ed the same dir, but I get that |
| 19:26.45 | henkpoley | So now it quits, and reindexes every time I run that? |
| 19:26.45 | jim | Gryflhase: sure, one command per package. |
| 19:26.52 | henkpoley | Can take a while.. |
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| 19:27.20 | P4C0 | wols_, mquin humm can't see any rc there... |
| 19:27.21 | jim | works for debian main, and I think contrib. non-free might work for some packages. |
| 19:27.28 | Gryflhase | jim: do you know the syntax of the "comand per package"` |
| 19:27.46 | jim | yes I do! |
| 19:28.00 | henkpoley | Guess I'll need to run Filelight or baobab over NX |
| 19:28.01 | Gryflhase | Can you tell it to me? |
| 19:28.08 | jim | yes I can! |
| 19:28.08 | Gryflhase | Will you do it? :) |
| 19:28.08 | henkpoley | Thanks for the suggestions though |
| 19:28.13 | henkpoley | bye |
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| 19:28.21 | Gryflhase | If so, feel free to do it ;) |
| 19:28.32 | jim | apt-get source <packagename> |
| 19:28.39 | Gryflhase | ahhhhh |
| 19:28.51 | Gryflhase | ok, thx alot :) |
| 19:29.00 | simonrvn | a lot |
| 19:29.01 | jim | and you need deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:29.03 | P4C0 | wols_, mquin is there a way to provided a better legend? |
| 19:29.04 | waspius | hi..i am trying to copy a dvd but i get this message..any help?http://pastebin.ca/947850 |
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| 19:29.16 | wols_ | P4C0: man dpkg probably |
| 19:29.21 | Yahooadam | Im trying to mount md0 by UUID, but /dev/disk/by-uuid doesnt have my raid array, is there some way to do this? |
| 19:29.23 | wols_ | P4C0: but the legend is pretty clear |
| 19:30.00 | jim | is your raid array partitioned? |
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| 19:30.11 | cirobon | My sshd has a 20s delay before displaying the login prompt; some website suggest it might have to do with my box not being able to do reverse DNS lookups. How do I check/fix this? |
| 19:30.18 | chops | bkw: Simplest way is to run an i386 system if you don't have specific need for 64-bit ability |
| 19:30.24 | Yahooadam | jim - what do you mean? its formatted with ext3 if that helps? |
| 19:30.27 | wols_ | chops: sshd_config |
| 19:30.31 | jim | oh ok |
| 19:30.39 | chops | wols_: cirobon :-) |
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| 19:30.43 | Yahooadam | jim - i can mount by mount /dev/md0 mountpoint |
| 19:30.56 | Yahooadam | but i cant mount with, mount -U uuidofraidarray mountpoint |
| 19:31.10 | wols_ | chops: if you hadn't talked, it were him :P |
| 19:31.10 | bkw | jim: http://www.slac.stanford.edu/comp/unix/gnu-info/gcc_7.html#SEC47 "Building and Installing a Cross-Compiler" is that the chapter that I should start at? |
| 19:31.17 | simonrvn | cirobon: fix dns, or turn dns lookups off |
| 19:31.25 | cirobon | wols_ : it used to work but now I've switched ISP's |
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| 19:31.33 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 19:31.35 | bkw | chops: I think there was problems booting a i386 netinstall.. |
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| 19:31.57 | jim | the question to ask (which I don't know the answer to btw) is: "how can I find out how to get the system to look for my raid device UUIDs?" |
| 19:32.08 | wols_ | restart udev? |
| 19:33.05 | P4C0 | wols_, clear?? this is what I'm getting: http://pastebin.com/m66573aff |
| 19:34.04 | CppIsWeird | i was coping files and it seems to be stuck on /lib/udev/devices/console. is this likely to stop a copy process? |
| 19:34.41 | jim | ok, so then the question would be "how can I find out why udev isn't picking up the raid partitions?" |
| 19:34.54 | P4C0 | wols_, I just want to know what rc means... |
| 19:34.59 | wols_ | P4C0: ad it's what you should get |
| 19:35.01 | jim | err s/?/ at boot?/ |
| 19:35.11 | wols_ | removed but config files not purged |
| 19:35.26 | Yahooadam | jim - restarting udev doesnt pick up my raid array |
| 19:35.43 | jim | ok, so find out why |
| 19:35.50 | pgpkeys | removes only remove non modified files. you would need --purge to remove everything |
| 19:36.06 | Yahooadam | jim - well, should it is my first question |
| 19:36.19 | cirobon | SMTP protocol synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting) |
| 19:36.23 | Yahooadam | most places ive looked are showing fstab files with /dev/mdX instead of UUID's |
| 19:36.23 | cirobon | sry |
| 19:36.35 | P4C0 | wols_, humm i have a dependency problem and each time I try to install something it tries to install that package (initrd-tools) and it have lots of other dependencies... but if it was removed (since it appears as rc) i'm not sure why apt-get tries to install it again... is there a way to clean apt-get? |
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| 19:37.58 | waspius | anyone? |
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| 19:38.14 | cusco | nope |
| 19:39.01 | jim | Yahooadam: one good start would be to get as familiar with udev as possible... but then, it could be a matter of whether the array is brought up before or after starting udev... but I doubt that: we know the array is up, you tried restarting udev, and no uuid |
| 19:39.07 | dury | I have a problem.. when I'm trying to lanch volume application... and I notice when the system shuts down a line appears saying the following: shutting down LVM volume groups. no volume groups found. What could be the problem |
| 19:39.26 | cusco | waspius: |
| 19:39.29 | cusco | Error reading table of contents. Please check your DVD device settings in the Preferences and don't forget to put a DVD in the drive. |
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| 19:40.09 | odla | where does a gdm theme when i install it through the gnome gui? |
| 19:40.50 | odla | wow ... i mean where does it install when i install it through the gnome gui |
| 19:40.51 | averno | hello^^ |
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| 19:40.51 | dury | odla: you mean in which directory? |
| 19:40.54 | Yahooadam | jim - thats correct, im going to try rebuilding my array though, atm its using /dev/sdX instead of /dev/sdXX |
| 19:40.58 | odla | dury: yes :) |
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| 19:41.09 | averno | is there any channel for debian for newbies? or can i ask newbie questions here? |
| 19:41.12 | stew | dury: you have active volume groups, but LVM doesn't find then when shutting down? or what? |
| 19:41.13 | Yahooadam | ill report back in like 2hrs :p |
| 19:41.19 | stew | averno: this is the channel |
| 19:41.20 | P4C0 | can someone explain me why if i want to install initrd-tools it wants to delete apache-dev?? |
| 19:41.29 | averno | ok, ty stew |
| 19:41.40 | pgpkeys | you got something else going on in addition to the install |
| 19:41.50 | dury | stew: how do I active them? |
| 19:41.57 | P4C0 | pgpkeys, how can I clean everything? or see what is pending? |
| 19:42.01 | stew | P4C0: becuase installing initrd-tools is upgrading or removing something that apache-dev depends on |
| 19:42.01 | jim | P4C0: you're mixing dists? like testing and sid or something |
| 19:42.07 | pgpkeys | dpkg-configure --pending |
| 19:42.21 | simonrvn | dpkg --configure --pending |
| 19:42.22 | pgpkeys | will finish installing anything pending |
| 19:42.31 | pgpkeys | my bad |
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| 19:42.37 | jim | see simon :) |
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| 19:42.48 | pgpkeys | yeah play simon says |
| 19:42.51 | pgpkeys | usually works |
| 19:43.06 | _vvd | can aptitude show the file installed by a package (dpkg -L)? |
| 19:43.07 | jim | simon says simple stuff silently |
| 19:43.10 | P4C0 | thanks |
| 19:43.20 | vy | Hi! I couldn't figure out how to replace CapsLock with CTRL. What's wrong with "dumpkeys </dev/tty1 | sed 's/keycode 66 = .*/keycode 66 = Control/g' | loadkeys" command? |
| 19:43.35 | stew | _vvd: no |
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| 19:43.43 | jim | trouble tickets turn toads to twine |
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| 19:44.15 | pgpkeys | jim: err if that was a demeaner on me giving help, it's been awhile since i've touched debian. made a goof |
| 19:44.24 | averno | i am installing debian for first time, i've got a problem with my wireless card, broadcom BCM4318, but i saw in internet that i need the bcm43xx-fwcutter .deb so i think i will have to wait till i finish the installation if im wrong correct me. while partitioning, in guided says set up LVM, what is LVM? do you know a site with a easy howto install that also explains? |
| 19:44.24 | pgpkeys | (the simple stuff silently) |
| 19:44.29 | cirobon | Okay, in general: what gives my system the power to do reverse DNS lookups? Because there's more systems failing because reverse DNS requests time out |
| 19:44.48 | pgpkeys | LVM is Linux Volume Manager |
| 19:44.52 | averno | oh |
| 19:45.14 | P4C0 | this is the situation: the install have sarge, but in apt-get it was pointed to stable, so now it's etch, and i tried to install tcpdump and now it's a total mess... any ideas how to fix? |
| 19:45.33 | jim | pgpkeys: L is "Logical" |
| 19:45.37 | pgpkeys | it's really called Logical |
| 19:45.45 | pgpkeys | jim: damn you i was fixing myself. shhh |
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| 19:46.01 | jim | I'm hoping it can be made to run on winders! |
| 19:46.10 | PeterG2 | hi can someone help me setup my e-mail? |
| 19:46.22 | stew | PeterG2: you have to be more specific |
| 19:46.40 | pgpkeys | jim don't make me beat you with a simon |
| 19:46.41 | jim | pgpkeys" sowwy :P |
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| 19:46.55 | stew | P4C0: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 19:46.59 | pgpkeys | averno: http://www.redhat.com/magazine/009jul05/features/lvm2/ |
| 19:47.02 | PeterG2 | i installed debian on my home network and i want to be able to send and receive e-mails from the box |
| 19:47.08 | pgpkeys | good rundown on what LVM is and how to use it |
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| 19:47.15 | averno | ty |
| 19:47.18 | pgpkeys | redhat link notwithstanding |
| 19:47.26 | pgpkeys | welcome |
| 19:47.37 | stew | PeterG2: you want to be able to receive emails from where? using what protocol? |
| 19:47.50 | PeterG2 | my gmail account using IMAP |
| 19:47.52 | maligor | averno, I don't recommend it |
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| 19:48.02 | averno | is for a laptop |
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| 19:48.22 | averno | im also not sure, what kind of filesystem should i use for a laptop |
| 19:48.26 | maligor | it's easier to work with normal partitioning |
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| 19:48.48 | stew | averno: ext3 |
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| 19:49.09 | jim | maligor: well if you have a big drive and don't want to decide right away how to fill it... |
| 19:49.15 | averno | stew, ok ty, why not reiserfs? i heard is faster(im not sure if is faster) |
| 19:49.26 | maligor | don't use reiserfs |
| 19:49.34 | PeterG2 | is it hard to setup e-mail? |
| 19:49.34 | dury | stew: sorry I misunderstand it .... it says that... when starts up gnome and a window appears saying the volume element couldn't start & when shutting down |
| 19:49.35 | maligor | it eats files for lunch |
| 19:49.37 | pgpkeys | reiser tools (least those from upstream) break every other damn release |
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| 19:49.44 | odla | how would i change my user's name? not my login username but the real name associated with it |
| 19:49.45 | jim | averno: reiserfs will make people wonder where your wife is! |
| 19:49.45 | pgpkeys | do yourself the favor, stay away |
| 19:49.50 | pgpkeys | jim hahaha |
| 19:49.51 | averno | hahaha |
| 19:49.56 | stew | averno: its extremely buggy and not well supported. the number of people that come in here with problems with their reiserfs systems is greater than with all other filesystems combined. by a lot |
| 19:50.14 | maligor | xfs is another option I guess, I use it for my /home |
| 19:50.20 | maligor | ext3 on root |
| 19:50.25 | stew | when in doubt, use ext3 |
| 19:50.31 | averno | incredible... im using reiserf in ubuntu and never realiced a problem.. ty for the great tip |
| 19:50.32 | dury | odla: did you find the directory of gdm? |
| 19:50.44 | jim | well if you have a ups, xfs is fine... |
| 19:50.56 | pgpkeys | jim stay out of my mind |
| 19:50.58 | maligor | jim, laptop? |
| 19:51.01 | pgpkeys | my thoughts. my thoughts |
| 19:51.14 | maligor | laptops practically have built-in ups |
| 19:51.20 | chops | averno: Not every single person who uses reiser has a problem (it would have to be _badly_ broken for that to be true), but more do than with other FSes in my experience |
| 19:51.21 | odla | dury: yeah ... i guess the theme just installs to /usr/share/gdm/themes ... i thought it would install to ~/.gdm/themes but that didn't make sense anyways as i had to become su |
| 19:51.23 | jim | but it doesn't survive certain things if powerout happens |
| 19:51.27 | stew | dury: what does the window say exactly? |
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| 19:52.00 | jim | "You have moved the mouse. This will require a restart for windows to understand the change you've made." |
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| 19:52.08 | maligor | averno, you can't really go wrong with ext3 |
| 19:52.12 | averno | i see.. ok good to know.. i'll use ext3 and learn about the issue |
| 19:52.17 | maligor | it's pretty solid and has good performance |
| 19:52.21 | pgpkeys | jim's on a mean streak and hittin hard |
| 19:52.23 | dury | odla: thats right |
| 19:52.39 | PeterG2 | does anyone know how to setup e-mail in debian? |
| 19:52.47 | stew | PeterG2: lots of people |
| 19:52.50 | pgpkeys | define setup email |
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| 19:53.01 | stew | PeterG2: but "email" is lots of individual things, so you'll have to be more specivic |
| 19:53.05 | PeterG2 | when i try to send mail, i get this error message in /var/log/exim4/mainlog: 2008-03-13 21:48:46 1Ja1qY-0000dM-9w ** thorie79@gmail.com R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 19:53.14 | jim | PeterG2: why not start by seeing if you have a MTA installed |
| 19:53.15 | stew | PeterG2: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:53.22 | PeterG2 | what does MTA mean? |
| 19:53.24 | dury | stew: gess I'm not sure exactly it's in basque language |
| 19:53.27 | stew | PeterG2: /msg dpkg MTA |
| 19:53.31 | pgpkeys | mail transport agent |
| 19:53.58 | PeterG2 | is a MTA the same as an e-mail client? |
| 19:54.02 | PeterG2 | like Outlook ? |
| 19:54.04 | jim | there's MTA, MDA and MUA |
| 19:54.05 | stew | PeterG2: no, its an email server |
| 19:54.08 | pgpkeys | your email client is a mail user agent or MUA. |
| 19:54.17 | jim | no, MUA is mail client |
| 19:54.21 | PeterG2 | what is the MTA in Windows XP ? |
| 19:54.31 | stew | PeterG2: exchange server, i guess |
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| 19:54.37 | pgpkeys | there is none. it's a client / workstation OS |
| 19:54.38 | stew | PeterG2: most windows XP machines don't have an MTA |
| 19:54.40 | PeterG2 | oh okay, so I don't need a MTA |
| 19:54.46 | stew | PeterG2: you need an MTA |
| 19:54.49 | PeterG2 | I'm not trying to run an exchange server type system |
| 19:54.53 | wols_ | or at least an MDA |
| 19:55.02 | jim | perhaps not... but your linux wants to send mail, perhaps just to you |
| 19:55.05 | pgpkeys | though you don't need to have one installed, you can use your ISP's mail servers |
| 19:55.11 | dury | nothing better than debian :) |
| 19:55.13 | wols_ | PeterG2: various daemons will send you mail for example |
| 19:55.16 | stew | PeterG2: your system needs in MTA in order to send email to you |
| 19:55.17 | averno | xD |
| 19:55.38 | dury | and other says..... |
| 19:55.43 | PeterG2 | so if I have a php app that does <?php mail("thorie79@gmail.com", ...) then do i need a MTA? |
| 19:55.48 | dury | except BSD |
| 19:55.49 | stew | PeterG2: yes |
| 19:55.58 | PeterG2 | ok where do I buy a MTA? |
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| 19:55.59 | stew | PeterG2: you need an mta, even without such a php app |
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| 19:56.10 | pgpkeys | stew is right, though lots of us disable the local mail send and have stuff written to the system log which any local daemon can do |
| 19:56.12 | stew | PeterG2: you already are running an mta, its the thing giving your the error |
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| 19:56.18 | wols_ | PeterG2: you don't, your debian installs one by default. exim4 |
| 19:56.22 | joaofpr | Hi Folks! |
| 19:56.23 | PeterG2 | ok |
| 19:56.31 | dury | anyway I'm really happy with debian |
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| 19:56.44 | PeterG2 | should I reinstall debian? |
| 19:56.49 | PeterG2 | for some reason, the MTA on my box is broken |
| 19:56.54 | stew | PeterG2: no it isn't |
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| 19:56.59 | maligor | you can reconfigure it |
| 19:57.11 | PeterG2 | how do I reconfigure it? |
| 19:57.14 | stew | PeterG2: its just configured to not let you send mail off the box. as i told you before, "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" will let you reconfigure it |
| 19:57.25 | pgpkeys | exim, sendmail, and postfix are typical MTAs. exim4 is the default on debian and usually comes configured. iirc it doesn't do remote sends by default and requires a config change which dpkg can do |
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| 19:57.41 | Soskel | hey |
| 19:57.43 | pgpkeys | what stew said |
| 19:57.48 | pgpkeys | *sigh* slow again |
| 19:57.55 | PeterG2 | ok running it |
| 19:57.55 | stew | PeterG2: you'll either want to tell it to transact mail directly with the internet if your ISP allows that, or configure it to use a 'smart host' if that is what your ISP requires |
| 19:58.02 | PeterG2 | what is a smarthost ? |
| 19:58.04 | Soskel | cafuego: from yesterday, all I do is point the domain name to the servers IP? |
| 19:58.15 | Soskel | to get the mod_vhost setup |
| 19:58.17 | stew | PeterG2: a machine at your isp that sends mail for you |
| 19:58.41 | PeterG2 | ok |
| 19:59.32 | PeterG2 | what is a "mail name" ? |
| 19:59.54 | PeterG2 | if my ISP is comcast, then should i put comcast.net ? |
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| 20:00.37 | stew | PeterG2: if your isp is comcast, you need to use their smarthost, and then the name doesn't really matter, but it is ithe name that your server should call itself when transacting with the smart host |
| 20:01.05 | stew | PeterG2: the first thing your mail server will say when sending mail to comcast is "hello, my name is ______" |
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| 20:01.44 | PeterG2 | ok |
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| 20:03.04 | PeterG2 | for the host of the outgoing smarthost, should i put: smtp.comcast.net::587 ? |
| 20:03.14 | dury | be back right now |
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| 20:03.37 | CppIsWeird | why is my copy process hung up on /lib/udev/devices/console ? |
| 20:03.46 | pgpkeys | PeterG2: when you're done configuring things with stew.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email#Origin |
| 20:04.15 | pgpkeys | see just below the graphic. it describes how email moves around so you get a better understanding |
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| 20:04.32 | PeterG2 | why is e-mail so much more complicated in Linux than Windows XP ? |
| 20:04.34 | Soskel | can anyone help me with this virtual host stuff? I'll pay |
| 20:04.54 | pgpkeys | because windows holds your hand |
| 20:05.02 | pgpkeys | linux was never about holding hands |
| 20:05.15 | Soskel | can anyone help me? |
| 20:05.20 | zinx | PeterG2: maybe you're doing it wrong? |
| 20:05.23 | PeterG2 | 2008-03-13 21:49:43 1Ja1rT-0000hY-KT ** root@thorie.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost: SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=2324: host smtp.g.comcast.net [76.96.30.117]: 550 5.1.0 Authentication required |
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| 20:05.51 | PeterG2 | i set it up, but smtp.comcast.net requires a username and password, and I didn't have an opportunity to specify that anywhere during the dpkg-configure thing |
| 20:05.58 | Soskel | ...? |
| 20:05.58 | tarzeau | pgpkeys: it's more like making people beg others to hold their hands |
| 20:06.02 | zamuroff | PeterG2: What you need is to install a mail client like icedov and configure it... That's all |
| 20:06.12 | stew | PeterG2: debian has chosen a much more versatile way of handling email which makes it easier for application writers to author email enabled applications |
| 20:06.20 | PeterG2 | zamuroff: but then how will the php app's mail() command know to use icedov ? |
| 20:06.21 | zamuroff | icedove** |
| 20:06.32 | Soskel | can anyone help please? |
| 20:06.32 | pgpkeys | tarzeau: hahaha |
| 20:06.35 | PeterG2 | stew: i see |
| 20:06.44 | pgpkeys | Soskel: dude, over and over won;t get you help |
| 20:06.46 | zamuroff | PeterG2: isn't it a server side thing? |
| 20:06.51 | zinx | PeterG2: have you ever tried to configure PHP to use mail() in Windows? |
| 20:06.52 | PeterG2 | zamuroff: yeah |
| 20:06.53 | pgpkeys | if someone wants to help they will |
| 20:06.54 | stew | PeterG2: you need to run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and use 'smarthost with authentication" or whatever, and specify your comcast username and password |
| 20:06.58 | wols_ | mail() doesn't use icedove at all |
| 20:07.04 | Soskel | I'm trying to get help |
| 20:07.16 | zamuroff | In that case, sendmail ought work that around... |
| 20:07.26 | stew | Soskel: you need to actually ask a question |
| 20:07.27 | CppIsWeird | why is my copy process hung up on /lib/udev/devices/console ? |
| 20:07.27 | wols_ | PeterG2: it eithre uses /usr/lib/sendmail or connects directly to port 25 depending on your config |
| 20:07.45 | Soskel | how do I use that mod_vhost aliase or whatever |
| 20:07.48 | pgpkeys | zamuroff: unless comcast blocks client IPs from sending via port 25 |
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| 20:07.55 | Soskel | that cafuego recommended yesterday |
| 20:08.04 | PeterG2 | stew: it never asked for an option like "smarthost with authentication" |
| 20:08.07 | jim | PeterG2: a smarthost is a remote MTA that is configured to send mail in service of a local installation |
| 20:08.16 | Soskel | mod-vhost-alias |
| 20:08.23 | Soskel | does anyone know how to use that? |
| 20:08.37 | pgpkeys | cloud wide block except for allowed_hosts such as their own MTAs and authorized business smarthosts. |
| 20:09.15 | PeterG2 | my first options are: "(1) internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP, (2) mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail, (3) mail sent by smarthost; no local mail, (4) local delivery only; not on a network, (5) no configuration at this time" |
| 20:09.15 | wols_ | Soskel: named based vhosting? |
| 20:09.22 | Soskel | yes |
| 20:09.26 | PeterG2 | i picked #2. |
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| 20:09.39 | Soskel | I have a few domains, on 1 ip |
| 20:09.44 | stew | PeterG2: #2 is correct. you just need to specify your username and password |
| 20:09.50 | wols_ | Soskel: you add the new host to /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and then use a2ensite |
| 20:09.51 | PeterG2 | stew: it doesnt ask me for it |
| 20:10.04 | Soskel | wols_: how does that use the mod-vhost-alias? |
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| 20:10.22 | Soskel | can you be more specific please |
| 20:10.59 | stew | Soskel: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_vhost_alias.html |
| 20:11.10 | jim | Soskel: look at the docs for a description of things that go in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 20:11.19 | Soskel | thanks |
| 20:11.30 | wols_ | Soskel: I don't know but it'S the way to add name based vhosting in debian |
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| 20:11.34 | PeterG2 | anyone know of a MTA that has TLS on connect natively supported? |
| 20:11.55 | pdbogen | I'm having trouble getting mod_rewrite to work on apache2 on Etch. I've enabled the module (a2enmod rewrite), configured it by creating /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.conf (see http://pastebin.com/d290c6cab), and restarted apache both gracefully (apache2ctl graceful) and with init.d/apache2 start then stop, but it doesn't seem to be rewriting. Anybody have any ideas on what I might have missed? |
| 20:12.09 | simonrvn | PeterG2: all of them |
| 20:12.17 | Soskel | stew: I already made a config file |
| 20:12.21 | jim | and then look at the docs for what is a2ensite, what it does and how to use it |
| 20:12.23 | Soskel | that page doesn't help |
| 20:12.24 | PeterG2 | simonrvn: Exim will use TLS via STARTTLS |
| 20:12.24 | PeterG2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.24 | PeterG2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.28 | pdbogen | (I'm asking in here because more or less the same process seems to work fine on FreeBSD, so my current hypothesis is that it's something Debian does differently that is causing problems.) |
| 20:12.52 | ctp | hi folks. how to change the dns domainname for a running system? i only get this error requesting the domainname: |
| 20:12.54 | ctp | homer:~# hostname |
| 20:12.54 | ctp | homer |
| 20:12.54 | ctp | homer:~# hostname -f |
| 20:12.54 | ctp | hostname: Unknown host |
| 20:12.56 | stew | PeterG2: why do you need an MTS that has :TLS on connect natively supported"? |
| 20:13.15 | jim | ctp: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 20:13.21 | simonrvn | !tell ctp -about paste |
| 20:13.37 | PeterG2 | stew: because comcast does not abide by the standard protocol, it does not issue a STARTTLS so the MTA must natively support it |
| 20:13.42 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to use sed to get rid of the first instance in a file of ./usr/ |
| 20:13.44 | Soskel | stew: ?? |
| 20:13.47 | jim | there are a lot of help conversations going on right now, please don't paste anything now |
| 20:13.49 | cusco | pdbogen: could it be your rewrite rule? try #apache |
| 20:13.50 | Soskel | I'm am really pissed off |
| 20:13.51 | CppIsWeird | why is my copy process hung up on /lib/udev/devices/console ? |
| 20:13.58 | stew | Soskel: what are you pissed off about? |
| 20:14.03 | Soskel | no one can help me |
| 20:14.10 | Soskel | I am offering to pay |
| 20:14.27 | zamuroff | Soskel: Maybe nobody cares |
| 20:14.31 | stew | Soskel: what exactly are you trying to do? just to have multiple domains on one ip? |
| 20:14.33 | jim | Soskel: you can help you, and it would help all of us if you tried |
| 20:14.36 | pdbogen | cusco : The rewrite rule is dead simple. If it was malformed, something would at least appear in rewrite.log or errors.log, but the former is empty and the latter has no references to mod_rewrite. |
| 20:14.48 | Soskel | stew: exactly |
| 20:14.49 | cusco | pdbogen: restarted apache? |
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| 20:14.57 | pdbogen | cusco : Yes. |
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| 20:15.10 | zamuroff | Soskel: use bind |
| 20:15.22 | simonrvn | Soskel: it's not rocket science |
| 20:15.31 | Soskel | stew: ?? |
| 20:15.32 | PeterG2 | setting up mail is so painful... anyone know how to set the AUTH_CLIENT_ALLOW_NOTLS_PASSWORDS macro for exim4? |
| 20:15.46 | stew | Soskel: did you declare the ip as a "NameVirtualHost"? |
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| 20:15.58 | kelt | hi... when I do a rpm install it says failed dependenices: /bin/sh is needed by mypackage.rpm |
| 20:16.02 | Soskel | stew: how/where would I do that!? |
| 20:16.12 | stew | Soskel: using apache or apache2? |
| 20:16.16 | Soskel | apache2 |
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| 20:16.30 | stew | Soskel: in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 20:16.32 | cusco | kelt: this is debian, we dont use rpm! |
| 20:17.07 | stew | Soskel: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html is the documentation for what you are trying to do |
| 20:17.14 | jim | kelt: you could -try- using alien... but that's not guaranteed to work right every time |
| 20:17.26 | Soskel | stew: that file doesn't exist |
| 20:17.27 | stew | kelt: what are you trying to install? |
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| 20:17.30 | stew | Soskel: then create it |
| 20:17.37 | Soskel | with what in it>? |
| 20:17.46 | stew | Soskel: a NameVirtualHost directive |
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| 20:17.55 | Soskel | specifically |
| 20:18.00 | stew | Soskel: yes |
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| 20:18.52 | kelt | stew: a package I created |
| 20:18.55 | jim | Soskel: specifically... you ought to start reading what stew is citing... it's going to help with understanding. if you're not doing it, then you continue to feel Idunnowhat, frustrated? at not understanding what to do next. |
| 20:19.17 | jim | kelt: oh, that's easy... package it for debian |
| 20:19.25 | stew | kelt: if your intention is to create packages to be installed on debian, you should be creating .deb packages, not .rpm ; /msg dpkg mg |
| 20:19.37 | kelt | yes... I am just testing. |
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| 20:20.34 | jim | are you going to offer it to people and maintain it, etc? |
| 20:20.44 | stew | kelt: you can use alien for attempting to convert a .rpm to a .deb. It is not a good solution, but a quick fix |
| 20:20.47 | jim | or is this just one-time trying to install it? |
| 20:22.17 | kelt | hmm |
| 20:22.26 | kelt | alien --to-deb mypackage.rpm? |
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| 20:22.57 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.17 | stew | CharminTheMoose: yes |
| 20:23.21 | PeterG2 | cool it worked |
| 20:23.23 | PeterG2 | thanks stew |
| 20:23.45 | PeterG2 | i sent an e-mail out by force-disabling TLS with unencryptic auth and then modifying the macro |
| 20:23.50 | CharminTheMoose | stew, erm. and that'd be what? |
| 20:24.18 | stew | CharminTheMoose: you want to edit a file, and find the first instance of "./usr/", and remove just those 6 characters? |
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| 20:24.55 | fmrfirebird | hi |
| 20:25.12 | CharminTheMoose | stew, yeah pretty much. :-) |
| 20:26.25 | stew | CharminTheMoose: something like: sed -i '/\.\/usr\//{s/\.\/usr\///;q}' filename ; you probably should first run it with "-i.bak" so that "filename.bak" will be created as a backup so that you can check to make sure it is working |
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| 20:26.39 | fmrfirebird | is someone know how can I remove the crypt (LUKS passphrase) of my /home partition ? |
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| 20:32.24 | CharminTheMoose | heh stew that command seems to remove everything in the file except for ./usr. :-P |
| 20:33.05 | stew | CharminTheMoose: not for me |
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| 20:34.09 | stew | CharminTheMoose: oh, wait, right |
| 20:34.19 | Malf | I'm running screen and when I try to open a file with vi it basically hangs that screen window. Presumably waiting for something from vi, but never opens the file so i have to move to another screen and kill the process. Any ideas on why I'm running into this/ |
| 20:34.24 | Malf | er ? |
| 20:34.27 | stew | CharminTheMoose: on second thought, what you are trying to do probably isn't possible with sed, it is with awk |
| 20:34.33 | Malf | and with vim I suppose not really vi |
| 20:35.08 | CharminTheMoose | stew, oh right.. you wouldn't know a bit o' awk on the side would ya? ;-) |
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| 20:35.21 | CharminTheMoose | i'll ask in #bash if ya don't. :) |
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| 20:38.52 | stew | CharminTheMoose: something like: awk '{if(!seen){sub("./usr/","")} ; print};/\.\/usr\//{seen=true}' |
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| 20:39.06 | stew | CharminTheMoose: you can't do in-place editing with awk (like you can with sed -i) afaik |
| 20:39.47 | Malf | hmm this bug report looks promising |
| 20:40.08 | CharminTheMoose | hm |
| 20:40.18 | CharminTheMoose | the same thing happens.. O.o |
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| 20:40.41 | stew | CharminTheMoose: no way that the same thing happens |
| 20:40.58 | zeitsofas | wünscht allen eine gute nacht | goodnight @all and thx for helping |
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| 20:42.32 | P4C0 | guys if apt-get -f install says it needs to install package x and i really don't want to install it, but then i run apt-get remove package x and it says it needs to install package x, how can i break that cycle? |
| 20:42.38 | chops | Malf: You can try strace |
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| 20:43.08 | abrotman | P4C0: install the "x" |
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| 20:43.18 | chops | Malf: Also, screen sets up the environment slightly differently for me than a normal login -- you might try 'printenv > one' from outside screen and 'printenv > two' from within screen, and see what the differences are. That might allow you to reproduce the problem outside screen. |
| 20:43.41 | Malf | chops: Yeah that's probably a good call. Thanks |
| 20:43.47 | chops | Malf: np |
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| 20:44.27 | chops | P4C0: What is "x"? |
| 20:45.59 | P4C0 | chops, anypackage |
| 20:46.12 | abrotman | P4C0: if you want help, don't be vague |
| 20:46.40 | abrotman | either install PackageX or give more info |
| 20:46.40 | P4C0 | chops, it's just that when you try to install something and it fails it jsut keeps there on the queue and there's no way to cancel it |
| 20:46.50 | chops | P4C0: Why would you deliberately avoid giving us that information? There aren't any Debian packages that have porn in them or anything that I know of :-) |
| 20:47.09 | chops | P4C0: Can you pastebin one entire session showing the problem that you're talking about, please? |
| 20:47.27 | abrotman | the output of `apt-get -f install` |
| 20:47.30 | abrotman | all of it |
| 20:48.00 | Supaplex | what check printing apps are there for linux? I have a micr toner laser printer and can either order security check paper, or blanks. <search> has lots of white noise. |
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| 20:48.11 | abrotman | gnucash? |
| 20:48.14 | P4C0 | chops, abrotman, not possible i fixed it already installing the package and then removing it... which is kind of pointless... |
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| 20:48.32 | abrotman | P4C0: are you going to tell us what PackageX is ? |
| 20:48.40 | Malf | yeah it looks like my term is set to screen instead of xterm so I assume that's causing my issues. I'll have to look closer later on. |
| 20:48.45 | P4C0 | abrotman, postgresql-7.4 |
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| 20:48.55 | abrotman | P4C0: and what required it as a dependency? |
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| 20:49.44 | P4C0 | abrotman, nothing, it was a dependency of something, but even uninstalled it keeps complaining that it wanted to install it... |
| 20:49.56 | abrotman | argh .. that's what i'm asking |
| 20:49.57 | P4C0 | so i installed it and removed it.... |
| 20:50.10 | abrotman | P4C0: paste the output somewhere |
| 20:50.21 | abrotman | if you don't want to paste it .. then i'm done |
| 20:50.30 | P4C0 | abrotman, i don't have it, i'm just asking if that's normal, since it's strange for me |
| 20:50.46 | stew | P4C0: maybe |
| 20:50.47 | abrotman | i'll go with .. you did something bad or the package installation died mid-install .. |
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| 20:51.04 | abrotman | and thus it kept trying to finish the install |
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| 20:51.36 | P4C0 | abrotman, yes, exactly, but is there a way to stop it?? (that's my real question) |
| 20:51.45 | abrotman | P4C0: finish the install |
| 20:51.59 | abrotman | P4C0: you can do some manual stuff to make it stop trying, but that'd be kind of dirty |
| 20:53.16 | P4C0 | abrotman, what if you try to install something and in x point of the process you realized that a dependency of it have a dependency that also have a bunch of dependencies that you really don't want to install... you just have to do it no matter what since there's no rolleback? |
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| 20:53.37 | stew | P4C0: what is "x point in the process"? |
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| 20:53.57 | P4C0 | stew, ok, here we go again, nevermind... |
| 20:54.14 | abrotman | P4C0: if you're downloading .. no biggie .. just kill it |
| 20:54.24 | abrotman | P4C0: if it's in the middle of installing, don't kill it |
| 20:54.46 | stew | if the point of the process is when you are told what the dependencies would be, then you just hit "N" |
| 20:55.13 | stew | if the point is at the point when the package is half-installed, then you finish the install first |
| 20:55.15 | helo | you know all deps before anything is actually downloaded, so what's the problem? |
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| 20:55.51 | abrotman | raises his hand |
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| 20:56.14 | helo | P4C0: i'd recommend looking over the output from apt more carefully before pressing "Y" in the future |
| 20:56.21 | Supaplex | humm foocash (gnu|k) dun print checks. :-/ |
| 20:56.28 | enouf | P4C0: apt-get -s ftw (that's what i use) |
| 20:56.35 | abrotman | Supaplex: seems odd |
| 20:57.15 | enouf | or apt-cache depends pkgname prior |
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| 20:59.01 | DawnLight | is there a GUI for scp? |
| 20:59.18 | P4C0 | thanks |
| 20:59.48 | Supaplex | DawnLight: does xterm count? |
| 20:59.50 | timonator | don't nautilus and konqueror offer that kind of functionality, DawnLight? |
| 20:59.55 | helo | is it possible to get ssh x11 forwarding to use grayscale for speed? |
| 21:00.05 | abrotman | timonator: both |
| 21:00.06 | abrotman | IIRC |
| 21:00.20 | Supaplex | helo: no. that's what -C is for. |
| 21:00.39 | helo | Supaplex: -C isn't good enough :) |
| 21:00.43 | DawnLight | can ssh allow me to mount a remote filesystem? |
| 21:00.47 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 21:00.47 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 21:00.58 | Supaplex | !tell DawnLight -about sshfs |
| 21:01.15 | timonator | what was that program called that would display what you type in fullscreen? |
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| 21:02.02 | helo | rm -rf elitism |
| 21:02.02 | itchi | helo: sshfs does |
| 21:02.24 | PeterG2 | Bad command or filename |
| 21:02.35 | Supaplex | bad command. no biscuit. |
| 21:02.39 | TheLorax | hi, this is my first time using debian, I was just wondering how I can find out what install CD I need to download |
| 21:02.42 | PeterG2 | botsnack |
| 21:02.49 | PeterG2 | dpkg botsnack |
| 21:02.49 | dpkg | PeterG2: aw, gee |
| 21:02.54 | TheLorax | (CDs) |
| 21:02.55 | jim | !botshack |
| 21:02.55 | dpkg | If you see a faded sign by the side of the road that says 15 miles to the... Bot Shack! |
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| 21:03.03 | stew | TheLorax: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 21:03.09 | craigevil | TheLorax: if you have nice internet speed use the netinstall |
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| 21:03.22 | TheLorax | I don't have faster internet |
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| 21:04.08 | maligor | spambots huh |
| 21:04.14 | itchi | abrotman: Don't like girls? :-) |
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| 21:04.30 | maligor | I wondered where that picked my nick up |
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| 21:05.18 | DawnLight | thanks Supaplex |
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| 21:06.44 | anacron10 | I people, I am coding an application open source and I would like to know the name of a library that I can use to manage generical USB devices. Someone have a hint for me? thx |
| 21:06.54 | TheLorax | I searched firefox, but I don't understand the results |
| 21:07.02 | pgpkeys | libusb |
| 21:07.05 | eSa| | hi, i'm using xorg from unstable with experimental video drivers. do you have some suggestion on dbg packages to install and run gdb with |
| 21:07.17 | anacron10 | thx pgpkeys |
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| 21:07.25 | itchi | TheLorax: Search for iceweasel, firefox has been renamed to this |
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| 21:07.36 | TheLorax | .... |
| 21:07.45 | eSa| | anacron10, try apt-cache search too |
| 21:07.53 | jim | eSa|: much more specific. what do you want to do, exactly? |
| 21:09.09 | eSa| | i'm running nouveau xorg drivers and want to provide bug reports while learning some of the internal of the drivers |
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| 21:10.25 | eSa| | i tried to attach gdb to the X process but it seems that no symbols are available even though xserver-xorg-core-dbg is installed |
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| 21:11.34 | \amethyst | eSa|: you need to specify the debug executable as the argument to gdb |
| 21:11.43 | TheLorax | If I manage to get a fairly minimal install on my computer, can I mount the rest of the CDs virually and install like that? |
| 21:12.06 | TheLorax | rather than burn them all |
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| 21:13.40 | TheLorax | nvm |
| 21:13.50 | nelf | TheLorax: .. |
| 21:13.51 | nelf | oh |
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| 21:14.00 | DawnLight | whats the command to update my groups online? |
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| 21:14.29 | stew | DawnLight: what do you mean? |
| 21:14.46 | jim | DawnLight: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 21:15.03 | jim | what's a "my groups online"? |
| 21:15.04 | DawnLight | stew: i've added a user to a group. i know there's some command that can save me the logging out and in again |
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| 21:15.26 | stew | DawnLight: there is "newgrp" but that changes the current group, which may or may not be desired |
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| 21:15.42 | jim | what would be the problem with logging out and logging in? |
| 21:15.53 | stew | DawnLight: newgrp effectively is a new login |
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| 21:17.19 | DawnLight | well, ahm... terminals that i open are child processes of some kde process so they aren't updated on the new group. i don't want to logout of kde |
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| 21:19.34 | nelf | DawnLight: These things are there to force you to take a break once in a while, I think |
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| 21:22.40 | ddalton | hey im running apt-get upgrade. if I leave it will it be fine or does it ask me questions like dist-upgrade? |
| 21:23.10 | stew | ddalton: its exactly the same as dist-upgrade, except that it might upgrade fewer packages |
| 21:23.39 | stew | ddalton: (it won't upgrade packages that require other new packages to be installed or packages to be remove, otherwise its exactly the same operation) |
| 21:23.42 | ddalton | ok. and does it fix all the securety stuff? |
| 21:24.02 | stew | ddalton: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:24.19 | ddalton | cid/lenny |
| 21:24.45 | stew | ddalton: then probably not. if you are concerned with security, you should be running stable |
| 21:24.49 | eSa| | \amethyst, i found /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/Xorg . should I modify the X init scripts to run it instead of normal /usr/bin/X? |
| 21:24.50 | stew | ddalton: /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
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| 21:25.56 | ddalton | ok so for a firewall and securety I should just use a software firewall and a router? |
| 21:26.52 | stew | ddalton: no |
| 21:26.53 | nevyn | ddalton: depends on the threat model. |
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| 21:28.56 | nevyn | the main objective of computer "security" is to make your systems difficult enough that the casual attacker moves on to easier pickings |
| 21:29.04 | nelf | ddalton: It depends how much security you want |
| 21:29.11 | stew | nevyn: i don't agree |
| 21:29.19 | nevyn | if a resourceful attacker is targeting you specifically you're screwed. |
| 21:29.34 | nevyn | stew: not all risks can be mitigated |
| 21:29.37 | Supaplex | not neccessarily |
| 21:29.43 | pgpkeys | no security is perfect. no matter how good the creator |
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| 21:29.59 | pgpkeys | Supaplex: better unplug if you want full mitigation |
| 21:30.06 | Supaplex | yup :) |
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| 21:30.12 | nelf | ddalton: If you are holding several million peoples bank accounts for a governemnt organisation, I'd give you one answer. If you are using the machine to fiddle with debian for a laugh, I'd give you another |
| 21:30.12 | stew | nevyn: that is correct. but i don't agree with what you think is the objective of security |
| 21:31.14 | pgpkeys | nevyn: your outer 2 or 3 layers, yeah. each sucessive inner layer should be creaming the hell out of the more advanced techniques |
| 21:31.25 | craigevil | ddalton: for home use of a desktop a properly configured router is normally good enough |
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| 21:31.45 | nelf | ddalton: Ignore these guys, they are distracting you whilst the crowbar their way into your computer to steal cookies |
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| 21:32.18 | jim | coooooookie!! |
| 21:32.29 | pgpkeys | nelf: crowbars are for smash and grabs. I prefer a dremel via the bottom of the case :) |
| 21:32.32 | craigevil | ddalton: read Debians harden-doc |
| 21:33.08 | Pryon | there are cookies in my computer? I'm my own worst enemy! |
| 21:33.28 | ddalton | ok thanks. I'll look at the logs when I get home. got to go. bye |
| 21:33.35 | pgpkeys | not anymore. nelf stole my dremel last night. didn't even leave me any crumbs |
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| 21:33.43 | jim | yep... unfortunately there are bunnies too... dust bunnies |
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| 21:33.51 | nelf | lol |
| 21:34.11 | pgpkeys | shhh, i prefer to think of them as my own private army of hired mercenaries |
| 21:34.55 | pgpkeys | i made a female friend of mine a sign, this computer is protected by me and killer dust bunnies. |
| 21:35.00 | pgpkeys | since she's OCD about cleaning, that didn't go over too well |
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| 21:36.27 | Supaplex | poor dust puppy |
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| 21:37.29 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 21:38.42 | Supaplex | greetings |
| 21:38.55 | nelf | hello rehab loons |
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| 21:39.38 | craigevil | nelf: no that would be the ppl on #ubunt trying to help |
| 21:40.55 | nelf | :) sorry, "hello honorables" was crying out as an anagram |
| 21:41.01 | cafuego | Soskel: yes |
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| 21:41.12 | Soskel | i got it anyway |
| 21:41.14 | Soskel | thanks though |
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| 21:41.38 | cafuego | goes back to sleep |
| 21:42.17 | Supaplex | oh cafuego |
| 21:42.20 | Supaplex | ahh... nm |
| 21:42.57 | Azar | eh is my TM |
| 21:43.10 | abrotman | eh? |
| 21:43.19 | wad | I just did "apt-get update" on my mail server, and the dovecot.conf file had changed. It asked what to do with it, I said go ahead and install the new one. |
| 21:43.21 | Azar | hello mister abrotman |
| 21:43.24 | wad | It gave me this message: dpkg: error processing dovecot-common (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dovecot-imapd: dovecot-imapd depends on dovecot-common (>= 1.0.beta3-1); however: Package dovecot-common is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing dovecot-imapd (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
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| 21:43.43 | stew | wad: try "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 21:43.51 | wad | I edited the conf file, and fixed it up nicely, then did "/etc/init.d/dovecot stop" then "start". |
| 21:44.03 | wad | stew, okay, will that continue the process? |
| 21:44.16 | stew | wad: yes |
| 21:44.22 | stew | wad: it will at least try |
| 21:44.27 | wad | kewl. |
| 21:44.30 | wad | :) |
| 21:44.57 | Azar | thinks that if he installs Etch now, after five months abrotman will tell him to move to Lenny.. |
| 21:45.34 | wad | stew, thanks. That it seems happy enough. |
| 21:45.40 | wad | checks logs, just in case. |
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| 21:47.34 | wad | It's happy. Thanks, stew! |
| 21:48.20 | abrotman | i'd be checking the config |
| 21:48.44 | zykes | any devs here ? |
| 21:49.00 | abrotman | and if there are? |
| 21:49.00 | linkslice | There's a bug in the etch version of imagemagick that affects me, but there isn't an updated package, is it safe to use the sid tree to upgrade a package? or is that too dangerous? |
| 21:49.01 | Azar | it makes me puke, damn that's the last thing Id thought I will see Perens begging for a seat at OSI |
| 21:49.03 | zykes | or anyone that can tell why xen version in debian has "tap:aio" disabled as a disk option |
| 21:49.18 | abrotman | Azar: OT here |
| 21:49.36 | Azar | abrotman, my appologizes |
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| 21:49.59 | ManuP | !regex |
| 21:50.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, regex is tutorial at http://weblogtoolscollection.com/regex/regex.php |
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| 21:50.15 | Azar | etch still has bugs? |
| 21:50.25 | cafuego | millions |
| 21:50.40 | Azar | oh noe, right when I just wanted to upgrade to etch |
| 21:50.50 | zykes | anyone got a clue on that or |
| 21:50.52 | cafuego | stick with potato buddy |
| 21:51.23 | abrotman | zykes: did you check the documentation with the package? |
| 21:51.31 | zykes | howto ? |
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| 21:51.41 | Azar | well, on the other hand, I use such a small amount of packages, I guess it won't be to many (bugs) for me |
| 21:51.50 | cafuego | millions |
| 21:52.08 | Azar | slaps cafuego with a rotten carrot |
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| 21:52.23 | cafuego | getthatthingawayfromme |
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| 21:53.10 | abrotman | zykes: documentation ? |
| 21:53.28 | abrotman | zykes: /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
| 21:53.38 | stew | zykes: ask #debian-xen on irc.debian.org |
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| 21:54.10 | lynucs | guys, is it in general against the idea of stable debian to compile a newer kernel? |
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| 21:54.19 | lynucs | then provided by the stable release |
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| 21:54.43 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: there's really no point to compiling your own kernel in any case |
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| 21:55.11 | jas4711 | anyone know if there are debian packages for gnome evolution 2.20 or 2.22? debian has 2.12 right now... tia! |
| 21:55.12 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: you also generally don't want to run a newer kernel than is in stable in production unless you've done extensive testing |
| 21:55.14 | lynucs | dondelelcaro: why not? throwing out all the generic stuff is bad? |
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| 21:55.30 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: it's just a waste of time |
| 21:56.12 | stew | lynucs: its built modularly. if you don't want to use some of the modules, don't load them |
| 21:56.31 | lynucs | dondelelcaro: for exmaple with generic kernel, my hdd are /dev/sdX, not hda, even if they are IDE. so i cant use hdparm |
| 21:56.41 | ManuP | what make i wrong that ^foo doesnt work if i have words, starting with foo... regex is weird.. |
| 21:56.47 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: so? |
| 21:56.58 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: they'll be /dev/sdX with any kernel that you use. hdparm isn't needed for sata devices. |
| 21:57.02 | lynucs | dondelelcaro: recompiling kernel wihtout generic would solve it |
| 21:57.19 | stew | lynucs: what do you mean by "without generic"? |
| 21:57.29 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: no, it won't. That's a change that is intrinsic to the changes made to the sata drivers quite a while ago. |
| 21:57.36 | cafuego | he means by enabling the old ide drivers |
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| 21:58.01 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: so the modern kernels even include those anymore? |
| 21:58.04 | dondelelcaro | s/so/do/ |
| 21:58.20 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Not enabled by default I don't think. |
| 21:58.38 | lynucs | dondelelcaro, cafuego with own configuration eht hdds were recognized as hd and i could play with hdparm.. |
| 21:58.38 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Quite why you'd want them isn't entirely clear to me. |
| 21:58.54 | ManuP | does ^ work in vim for substitution? |
| 21:58.57 | cafuego | lynucs: if the driver isn't broken, you don't need hdparm. |
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| 21:59.37 | lynucs | cafuego: yes, i don't need it really.. it should be an example why ppl might want configre they kernel |
| 21:59.40 | lynucs | and recompile |
| 21:59.47 | lynucs | their* |
| 21:59.48 | cafuego | lynucs: And the docs do relatively clearly state you need blktool for the new drivers. |
| 22:00.01 | cafuego | lynucs: No, they need to read docs and use the correct tools. |
| 22:00.06 | lynucs | :D |
| 22:00.10 | cafuego | !info blktool |
| 22:00.13 | dpkg | blktool: (tune low-level block device parameters), section admin, is optional. Version: 4-4 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 22:00.25 | stew | lynucs: we are not saying that there aren't people that want to reconfigure their kernel, we are saying (and still are saying) that it is generally a waste of time |
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| 22:00.52 | MolePrince | In Debian Sid, when I boot with apm=on and try to run apm later it tells me APM support is not included in the kernel. Am I missing something please? |
| 22:01.22 | dondelelcaro | MolePrince: you probably need to load the apm modules |
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| 22:01.28 | cafuego | waits for cron |
| 22:01.33 | lynucs | stew: although i didnt notice any improvement of perfomrance, i heard rumours about performance improvement by proper config of kernel.. dunno though what is ment |
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| 22:02.25 | netcrash | Hello , How can I use a diferent kernel on the debian install CD, meaning , I whant to change the 2.6 kernel to a more recent stable kernel |
| 22:02.29 | netcrash | any tips ? |
| 22:02.38 | dondelelcaro | lynucs: there may be kernel options that will improve performance, but in order to find them out, you have to actually benchmark. That means probably 20-40 kernel compiles and a few weeks of testing. |
| 22:02.49 | dondelelcaro | !kmuto |
| 22:02.49 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 22:02.53 | dondelelcaro | netcrash: see above. |
| 22:03.12 | Azar | netcrash: "more stable" is the more tested/used ... meaning the installer's kernel |
| 22:03.12 | enouf | lynucs: you're using etch kernel? |
| 22:03.17 | lynucs | enouf: yepp |
| 22:04.24 | Azar | now to think of it... word was that etch could get a higher kernel on its second stage life..? true? |
| 22:04.25 | enouf | lynucs: well i can say this; hdparm isn't failing because of /dev/name - do this; cat /proc/ide/drivers |
| 22:04.46 | lynucs | enouf: it would fail by emulatet scsi? |
| 22:04.53 | lynucs | emulated* |
| 22:05.00 | netcrash | Azar: dondelelcaroI mean , witha recent version since my dell poweredge does not work well with the controller card |
| 22:05.28 | netcrash | Azar: dell poweredge 860 , with debian etch |
| 22:05.34 | dondelelcaro | netcrash: yes, see what I said above. |
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| 22:05.44 | netcrash | dondelelcaro: looking |
| 22:05.55 | enouf | lynucs: sdparm is for scsi devices, sata drives need no tweaking; the BIOS and other things are responsible for how they behave - see linux-ata.org .. and show me the output |
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| 22:06.42 | enouf | netcrash: whch chipset is that? ICH9? g33? |
| 22:07.07 | Azar | netcrash: google gives: http://linux.dell.com/debian_9g.shtml |
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| 22:07.08 | enouf | netcrash: "does not work well" means? |
| 22:07.16 | lynucs | enouf: the hdX/sdX problem was not no this pc.. it wasnt a problem for me at all at the momemnt.. it was jsut an example why ppl might want to configure their kernel :) |
| 22:07.35 | lynucs | enouf: but to prove that i hva debian, as you already wanted me to.. what should i paste? |
| 22:07.37 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 22:07.38 | lynucs | :) |
| 22:07.46 | enouf | no worries |
| 22:07.59 | netcrash | enouf: means the machine fails on install |
| 22:08.52 | enouf | netcrash: some kernel boot params can circumvent those issues - i need to know chipset and BIOS settings (AHCI / IDE / SATA / RAID mode) |
| 22:09.01 | lynucs | enouf: what did you want me to paste as prove that i am using debian last time? (as you saw that i'm on ubuntu channels) |
| 22:09.03 | enouf | netcrash: fails where and how |
| 22:09.15 | enouf | lynucs: no worries for now |
| 22:09.48 | lynucs | hrmpf |
| 22:10.00 | lynucs | *for now*.. hehe |
| 22:10.19 | enouf | netcrash: better just look at the page dondelelcaro sent you to for kmuto, it'll explain all this a bit (see the .23-1 kernel image page, iirc) |
| 22:10.19 | lynucs | and then you'all ask me again, when i'm not on a debian machine |
| 22:10.22 | netcrash | enouf: on installation on copying the files it hangs at 18% installation with nothing selected except basic packages |
| 22:11.27 | lynucs | netcrash: i had a famiar problem |
| 22:11.54 | enouf | netcrash: generally, enable AHCI in BIOS (or select RAID if only choices are IDE/RAID) and try; if no go still, try pci=nommconf , then try acpi=off, then try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" (one of those will likey work)" |
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| 22:12.25 | lynucs | netcrash: from a busybox in a log (dont know which) i saw that the install tool was waiting for an input, which i couldnt do (it didnt show up) i tried echoing to tty, but i failed.. |
| 22:12.36 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 22:13.00 | Ace2016 | how do i create a generate 64 random characters using /dev/random? |
| 22:13.05 | Ace2016 | or any other method? |
| 22:13.34 | lynucs | Ace2016: i dont know, but i heard urandom should be more random :D |
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| 22:13.49 | enouf | netcrash: and dondelelcaro , FWIW, i've been told pci=nommconf is the default now in debian's .25 (etch+half) |
| 22:13.53 | Ace2016 | urandom is faster, but i think random is more random |
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| 22:14.10 | lynucs | Ace2016: maybe i'm wrong |
| 22:14.30 | enouf | Ace2016: urandom has a set limit of entropy |
| 22:14.38 | enouf | random doesn't, iirc |
| 22:14.53 | enouf | IIRC, 1024 is the default for urandom |
| 22:15.13 | Ace2016 | so how do i just get 64 random characters for a password? |
| 22:15.28 | enouf | there are tools for passwd generation |
| 22:15.39 | enouf | passwdgen or something |
| 22:15.41 | cafuego | Ace2016: You normally don't, just run `pwgen'. |
| 22:15.52 | lynucs | Ace2016: you're right.. ;) |
| 22:15.53 | Xenguy | ace2001ac: libstring-mkpasswd-perl ? |
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| 22:16.21 | lynucs | have just read teh wiki |
| 22:16.26 | cafuego | TEH! |
| 22:16.32 | MolePrince | ace2001ac: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1 count=16 |
| 22:16.42 | cafuego | Sorry, I got excited. |
| 22:16.45 | Ace2016 | lynucs: yea i used dd=/dev/random to try and wipe a hard disk, urandom was faster, but ended up with dban |
| 22:16.53 | MolePrince | ace2001ac: erm that isdd if=/dev/urandom bs=1 count=64 |
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| 22:17.19 | cafuego | those are 64 random bytes, not 64 random printable characters. |
| 22:17.47 | MolePrince | Well.. yeah. |
| 22:18.09 | cafuego | Which - for a password - is not completely useful ;-) |
| 22:18.28 | Ace2016 | cafuego: doesn't have to be printable |
| 22:18.40 | enouf | heh, uuidgen (1) - command-line utility to create a new UUID value |
| 22:18.43 | MolePrince | Most secure password is one that you can't read or type ;) |
| 22:19.01 | enouf | ssh-keygen ftw :-p |
| 22:19.03 | cafuego | Ace2016: Does someone need to be able to type it? |
| 22:19.07 | Azar | MolePrince: like a tongueprint |
| 22:19.23 | Ace2016 | ah, good point, i thought it was like theta and stuff but no its just question marks and stuff |
| 22:19.36 | cafuego | Ace2016: Like I said, non-printable :-) |
| 22:19.48 | MolePrince | I usually use diceware for generating my passwords. |
| 22:20.18 | cafuego | uses pwgen and uuidgen |
| 22:20.34 | Ace2016 | will try pwgen |
| 22:20.35 | jim | worked on pwgen :) |
| 22:20.38 | linkslice | am I asking for trouble if I update imagemagick from sid? |
| 22:20.40 | Azar | sound could make a good password too |
| 22:20.40 | cafuego | if i need stronger passwords, i just concatenate a few pwgen strings |
| 22:20.48 | linkslice | or even lenny on an etch system |
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| 22:21.12 | cafuego | linkslice: Probably not, but you WILL need to comple a backport, not just install the package as-is. |
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| 22:21.35 | jim | linkslice: yes. seek a backport, backport yourself, build. those are the choices which will keep your package db intact. |
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| 22:22.08 | linkslice | grrrr |
| 22:22.31 | jim | if you try just installing, MUCH of your installation WILL change. be warned, and now make your own choice. |
| 22:22.35 | linkslice | alright, is there a backport howto? |
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| 22:22.47 | Azar | mister jim, haven's seen you since you helped me installing alsa on my woody system |
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| 22:23.02 | Azar | !backport |
| 22:23.03 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 22:23.04 | stew | linkslice: /msg dpkg bpo ; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:23.05 | Hasimaus19ww | Ich sitze gerade nackig vor meiner Webcam zu Hause.Wer mich mal sehen will kuckt mal jetzt auf meine Homepage: www.mandymaus.de |
| 22:23.09 | stew | !de |
| 22:23.09 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 22:23.20 | stew | that's spam, isn't it |
| 22:23.36 | Azar | yep |
| 22:23.39 | jim | yeah, I think so |
| 22:23.41 | cafuego | yes, it is |
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| 22:23.54 | MolePrince | So I just ran into a curious issue installing snort on Sid, where it seems to start the daemon running during the install process, and then of course never gets back to completing the aptitude query. If I ctrl-c it, it'll finish aptitude, but every time I install something else it comes back to running snort. |
| 22:24.13 | Ace2016 | pwgen isn't using enough symbols |
| 22:24.14 | cafuego | the last thing we need here is german scat porn |
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| 22:24.28 | Ace2016 | i really think that is not for this channel |
| 22:24.30 | jim | Ace2016: man pwgen |
| 22:24.30 | zinx | Ace2016: tell it to use more |
| 22:24.38 | stew | MolePrince: have you checked the bts? |
| 22:24.51 | MolePrince | stew: I beg your pardon? |
| 22:25.01 | Ace2016 | pwgen -cnys |
| 22:25.01 | jim | !bts |
| 22:25.01 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 22:25.08 | stew | MolePrince: have you checked to see if that bug has been reported already? |
| 22:25.15 | MolePrince | Oh, right! Looking now. |
| 22:26.01 | Tramp | dd if=/dev/urandom bs=256 count=1 | tr -c -d '[[:print:]]' | dd bs=64 count=1 |
| 22:26.35 | cafuego | Ace2016: Just 'pwgen -y' |
| 22:26.44 | Ace2016 | Tramp: that looks like a much stronger one, ty |
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| 22:26.59 | stew | maybe. it also could output a zero length string |
| 22:27.26 | joltcan | makepasswd is nice otherwise |
| 22:27.34 | Tramp | I leave it as an excercise to the reader, how likely that is. |
| 22:28.13 | cafuego | Ace2016: shouldn't have used the -s option - which makes pwgen output letters only. |
| 22:28.35 | cafuego | pwgen -yn 64 1 |
| 22:28.37 | Ace2016 | I just have to use a part of this as my password, imagine how long it'd take to crack something like this: »-(¯`v´¯)-»(L)i lôV [boys name] ¥ç à Dô, Hç 4 mà & ÃôT 4 à if û trÂ¥ & tÃ
kà mÂ¥ plÃ
cÃ, fÃk Ãff l3itch il smÃ
sh Ãr fÃ
ÃÃ(l)»-(¯`v´¯)-» |
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| 22:29.01 | cafuego | Ace2016: Exactly as long as 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 |
| 22:29.20 | cafuego | shrugs |
| 22:29.39 | Ace2016 | huh? |
| 22:29.40 | enouf | !aolify Ace2016 |
| 22:29.40 | dpkg | whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in Ace2016's ear |
| 22:30.08 | enouf | was <jk> |
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| 22:33.00 | wintix_ | something weird happened. for about 90 days i have several tasks running in a screen. i have no idea since when, but i can't reattach the screen. the tasks are still running. any idea how to fix that? is there a way to force pids into a new screen? |
| 22:33.04 | robboplus_ | folks, is it true that when i run a process over ssh then it won't be able to use more than 1024 sockets? |
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| 22:33.10 | robboplus_ | and if so, why is that? |
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| 22:34.16 | jim | wintix_: why can't you reattach? |
| 22:34.18 | stew | wintix_: why can't you reattach? |
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| 22:34.24 | jim | hah! |
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| 22:34.36 | Salvie----- | can anyone tell me how I can find out information about my CPU via command line ? |
| 22:34.43 | stew | Salvie-----: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 22:35.00 | Salvie----- | awesome thanks stew |
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| 22:35.08 | pgpkeys | sometimes -dr doesn't work and refuses to reopen the screen session |
| 22:35.17 | wintix_ | It tells me that there are no screens to be reattached. Also there is no screen process. Only the processes that used to live in there, stew, jim. |
| 22:35.44 | jim | you'll probably have to restart them |
| 22:35.46 | stew | wintix_: you might look at retty |
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| 22:36.33 | wintix_ | stew: i'll have a look. thank you both, jim, stew. |
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| 22:39.09 | Caelum | where do you change shmmax permanently? |
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| 22:41.15 | edistar | I get the following error: cc1: error: conftest.c: No such file or directory when I try to compile glib |
| 22:41.23 | edistar | am I missing a symlink or such? |
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| 22:46.41 | Caelum | just makes an init script |
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| 22:47.07 | base3 | i just installed a package by mistake, and apt-get also installed loads of dependencies |
| 22:47.09 | Administrator | s.a |
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| 22:47.28 | base3 | how can i remove them? (apt-get remove only removed the original package) |
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| 22:47.36 | abrotman | use aptitude whne you install |
| 22:47.38 | Azar | aptitude remove |
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| 22:48.09 | base3 | Azar: do you think it will still work, now i've removed that package? |
| 22:48.13 | zykes | abrotman: seems for a weird reason tap support is disabled in debian, god knows why but |
| 22:48.27 | abrotman | zykes: did you ask #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 22:48.49 | Azar | base3: aptitude update / upgrade maybe it cleans up |
| 22:48.50 | zykes | irc.debian.org |
| 22:48.52 | zykes | i tried at |
| 22:49.28 | stew | zykes: tap support isn't disabled in debian |
| 22:49.32 | Azar | and like abrotman said: start using aptitude from now on |
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| 22:49.44 | base3 | why is aptitude better? |
| 22:50.00 | Azar | base3: takes care of stuff you don't want to care about |
| 22:50.44 | base3 | hmm aptitude wants to remove lots of packages, including things i need |
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| 22:51.05 | Azar | base3: let it clean , then reinstall with aptitude back again |
| 22:51.24 | zykes | stew: then why when searching on the net there is no info on how to enable it ? |
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| 22:52.57 | base3 | thanx a lot for your help Azar, abrotman |
| 22:53.31 | stew | zykes: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:53.45 | base3 | its removing gnome-core |
| 22:53.46 | stew | zykes: oh, you are speaking specifically about zen? not generically about debian? |
| 22:53.50 | base3 | is this bad news?? |
| 22:54.12 | zykes | stew: it's a debian thing, no support for blktap backends for virtual machines in xen |
| 22:54.15 | k-man_ | how can i program my sleep key on my keyboard to hibernate the computer? |
| 22:54.37 | stew | zykes: i thougth you meant tap support in general. ask in #debian-xen on irc.debian.org |
| 22:54.54 | zykes | heh, allready tried that, that chan is like a ghost town |
| 22:55.00 | stew | zykes: piav |
| 22:55.17 | zykes | piav ? |
| 22:55.20 | stew | !piav |
| 22:55.20 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
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| 22:56.07 | stew | zykes: or else check the package's documentation and see if there is anything in there about it |
| 22:56.12 | zykes | just frustrated to why they disable it at all |
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| 22:58.44 | Azar | base3: it seems that aptitude is removing what detects to be a flawed installation of some packages, you can reinstall right back with aptitude |
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| 23:03.52 | Azar | on MY debian I can say I only have max 5 of all processes this guy is running: http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200803/errord/bloatware.png |
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| 23:09.03 | Vladimir | ajde? |
| 23:09.06 | abrotman | _spider_: do you have a debian question? |
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| 23:10.31 | ricosecada | Hi, I have just installed logwatch, but in /etc/logwatch there is no configuration file, is this perhaps an error? It is debian etch. |
| 23:10.37 | grand_grunt | _spider_: Try sr_SR |
| 23:10.38 | abrotman | _spider_: do NOT msg me, and keep it on topic |
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| 23:13.40 | eSa| | bye, will see if the debug will be better -- |
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| 23:13.56 | blubs | hello there |
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| 23:14.41 | blubs | are there any security updates for the unstable version of debian ? if yes what line do i have to put in sources.list ? |
| 23:14.43 | ricosecada | anyone using logwatch on debian etch? Is it an error that there is no conf file? |
| 23:14.55 | stew | blubs: no |
| 23:14.57 | blubs | and is the unsable version of debian always called sid ? |
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| 23:15.03 | stew | blubs: yesa |
| 23:15.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:15.35 | blubs | so how is it handled with security updates for sid ? how well is that ... as fast as the stable ? |
| 23:16.04 | stew | blubs: if you are concerned with security, run stable |
| 23:16.37 | blubs | ok |
| 23:16.49 | blubs | hmm thx for the information ... |
| 23:17.53 | stew | blubs: you can read the DSAa at security.debian.org. in most cases sid is updated at the same time. though you shouldn't be counting on it |
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| 23:19.01 | Lotek | i have problems with the ati radeonhd and a framebuffer I dont get any svga modes and I would like them |
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| 23:19.05 | blubs | ok thx stew |
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| 23:26.21 | xiambax | can someone assist me in getting my wireless card working in debian. please.... |
| 23:26.29 | xiambax | I'm clueless and don't know where to begin |
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| 23:26.56 | abrotman | chipset is a good start |
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| 23:27.59 | xiambax | whats the lspci or whatever command that tells me what make and model |
| 23:28.13 | stew | xiambax: its lspci |
| 23:28.24 | xiambax | yeah i was right, sorry. second guess myself to much |
| 23:28.24 | abrotman | assuming it's a PCI wifi card |
| 23:28.32 | xiambax | 05:04.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
| 23:28.50 | xiambax | It is. I installed it myself. |
| 23:28.52 | xiambax | No brainer |
| 23:29.03 | xiambax | Was working in mandriva fine but I switched to debian. |
| 23:29.16 | xiambax | It forces me to learn stuff. Which I am down for. |
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| 23:32.42 | abrotman | !info rt2500-source etch |
| 23:32.48 | dpkg | rt2500-source: (RT2500 wireless network drivers source), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1.0+cvs20060620-3 (etch), Packaged size: 241 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 23:33.01 | abrotman | xiambax: m-a a-i rt2500 |
| 23:33.08 | xiambax | what? |
| 23:33.28 | xiambax | gotcha |
| 23:33.30 | xiambax | ran the command |
| 23:33.34 | xiambax | Thank you |
| 23:33.54 | jim | give him some background info too, he did say he wants to learn |
| 23:33.55 | xiambax | downloading kernel headers. |
| 23:34.29 | xiambax | Yeah its grabbing kernel headers so I imagine its going to recompile my kernel with the rt2500 drivers? |
| 23:34.47 | jim | xiambax: they put this whole kernel compile / module compile setup together |
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| 23:34.58 | jim | part of it is in kernel-package |
| 23:35.17 | xiambax | Ok cool. |
| 23:35.33 | xiambax | I guess It's hard to know all the right stuff to do. I'm new to deb so yeah. |
| 23:35.35 | jim | which is how .debs of kernel compiles are built |
| 23:35.44 | xiambax | I will lock that one away. |
| 23:36.09 | jim | this part is not different from normal everyday kernel compiles |
| 23:36.11 | jim | except |
| 23:36.18 | xiambax | except? |
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| 23:36.46 | pipegeek | hmm.... how do you find the actual size of a sparse file? |
| 23:36.50 | jim | it puts the results of the compile into a .deb, and there are four separate ones: kernel headers, kernel image, kernel doc and one other |
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| 23:37.10 | xiambax | so it creates a .deb for me then i install the .deb? |
| 23:37.17 | jim | yes |
| 23:37.21 | xiambax | Whicked |
| 23:38.07 | jim | kernel headers as created by the script in kernel-package, is used for building modules that can be modprobed, but come as separate source |
| 23:38.40 | xiambax | building rt2500 source step 1 right now |
| 23:38.52 | jim | said modules are built these days by module-assistant (aka m-a) |
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| 23:39.04 | jim | that's an overview |
| 23:39.29 | xiambax | So its all automated? |
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| 23:39.49 | xiambax | Ok its done. |
| 23:39.50 | xiambax | Now what? |
| 23:40.00 | jim | can be, so that packages can be automatically built to be placed in a debian installer |
| 23:40.53 | xiambax | now that its done is there anything i need to do. or just reboot the box? |
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| 23:40.59 | jim | I don't think you need to reboot |
| 23:41.08 | jim | this isn't a kernel you're compiling |
| 23:41.29 | xiambax | How do i get it up and running in gnome? |
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| 23:41.37 | xiambax | its still only showing eth0 |
| 23:41.48 | jim | well no idea about "in gnome" |
| 23:41.49 | abrotman | load the module first |
| 23:41.59 | xiambax | how do i go about doing that? |
| 23:42.04 | jim | or install its deb that you just built |
| 23:42.06 | stew | ralink requires non-free firmware afaik |
| 23:42.06 | jim | maybe |
| 23:42.17 | abrotman | i thought ralink didn't |
| 23:42.32 | stew | !info firmware-ralink |
| 23:42.35 | dpkg | firmware-ralink: (Binary firmware for rt61, rt61pci, rt73, rt73usb wireless network drivers), section non-free/admin, is optional. Version: 0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 23:42.39 | xiambax | Unpacking rt2500-modules-2.6.18-6-686 (from .../rt2500-modules-2.6.18-6-686_1.1.0+cvs20060620-3+2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1_i386.deb) ... |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | etch ? |
| 23:42.43 | xiambax | Setting up rt2500-modules-2.6.18-6-686 (1.1.0+cvs20060620-3+2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) ... |
| 23:42.53 | stew | abrotman: doesn't exist in etch |
| 23:42.57 | abrotman | okay then |
| 23:43.05 | abrotman | oh .. but that's for other ralink cards |
| 23:43.18 | jim | xiambax: now you have the .deb installed |
| 23:43.29 | xiambax | ok so restart x? |
| 23:43.56 | jim | I don't think you have to restart anything... you might need to load the module |
| 23:44.00 | abrotman | i think it is anyway |
| 23:44.19 | jim | you could try ifconfig -a |
| 23:44.22 | jim | see if it's there |
| 23:44.26 | stew | abrotman: he has a rt61, no? |
| 23:44.28 | jim | maybe the module is loaded? |
| 23:44.47 | abrotman | doh .. i was stuck on the rt2561 bit |
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| 23:45.25 | xiambax | showing eth0 and sit0 |
| 23:45.33 | xiambax | which is ipv4 to 6 |
| 23:45.53 | abrotman | http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip |
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| 23:47.42 | xiambax | Ok downloaded now what? |
| 23:47.54 | stew | xiambax: unzip the contents into /lib/firmware |
| 23:47.54 | xiambax | load the right card din? |
| 23:48.31 | xiambax | /lib/firmware or /lib/firmware/RT61_Firmware_V1.2 |
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| 23:48.52 | abrotman | /lib/firmware/ i believe |
| 23:49.39 | xiambax | mmmmmm so put everything in RT61_Firmware_V1.2 into /var/firmware |
| 23:49.45 | xiambax | or put the whole folder in there |
| 23:50.46 | abrotman | /lib/firmware/ |
| 23:50.49 | xiambax | ok done |
| 23:50.51 | xiambax | now what |
| 23:50.51 | abrotman | just the files |
| 23:51.03 | stew | xiambax: modprobe -r rt2500 ; modprobe rt2500 |
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| 23:51.20 | stew | xiambax: (which will reload the module). then check the end of dmesg for errors |
| 23:51.21 | xiambax | ok done |
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| 23:52.27 | real0ne | i hve this mesage when i want to start my debian box |
| 23:52.30 | ioerror | can anyone suggest a good tutorial for how to install Debian onto a compact flash card? It's for use in a Soekris system. |
| 23:52.32 | real0ne | busybox v1.1.3 (debian 1:1.1.3-4) Built-in shell (ash) |
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| 23:53.10 | xiambax | what am i looking for in dmesg |
| 23:53.47 | stew | xiambax: someting like "error loading firmware" or some such obvious error in the last 10 lines or so. if you see none, try "ifconfig -a" again looking for a new device to have shown up |
| 23:54.08 | xiambax | no such error |
| 23:54.15 | real0ne | busybox v1.1.3 (debian 1:1.1.3-4) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 23:54.21 | abrotman | xiambax: ifconfig -a .. do you see another new device? |
| 23:54.23 | xiambax | card is not showing up |
| 23:54.28 | xiambax | in ifconfig |
| 23:54.43 | jim | howbout ifconfig -a |
| 23:55.15 | jim | and howbout lsmod? is the driver listed there |
| 23:55.28 | xiambax | sorry thats what i did |
| 23:55.29 | xiambax | nothing |
| 23:55.57 | stew | xiambax: show us the output of "dmesg | tail" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:55.59 | xiambax | rt2500 150116 0 |
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| 23:57.40 | xiambax | lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions |
| 23:57.40 | xiambax | IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver |
| 23:57.40 | xiambax | [drm] Initialized drm 1.0.1 20051102 |
| 23:57.40 | xiambax | ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:02.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 169 |
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| 23:57.55 | xiambax | im sorry |
| 23:57.59 | xiambax | Didn't mean to do that |
| 23:58.15 | jim | np... you could look over all of dmesg |
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| 23:58.58 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:58.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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