| 00:00.11 | real0ne | busybox v1.1.3 (debian 1:1.1.3-4) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 00:00.16 | xiambax | So you want me to do that? |
| 00:00.19 | real0ne | no one know this |
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| 00:00.31 | real0ne | i have this message when i start my debian |
| 00:00.46 | Kevin` | real0ne it's not an error. |
| 00:01.08 | Kevin` | and not a particularly useful message if your having a problem. are you? |
| 00:01.26 | Tramp | real0ne: you're stuck in the initrd. What did you do? Is this a fresh install? Did it work once? |
| 00:01.28 | xiambax | so now what do i do? |
| 00:01.35 | real0ne | no |
| 00:02.04 | real0ne | i worck with this debian a long time but yesterday i have make anormal shutdonws |
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| 00:02.50 | abrotman | xiambax: did you paste what stew asked for at the pastebin website ? |
| 00:02.51 | xiambax | http://paste.debian.net/51426 |
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| 00:03.39 | abrotman | xiambax: modprobe -r rt2500 && modprobe rt2500 .. see if the dmesg | tail changes |
| 00:04.54 | xiambax | No change |
| 00:05.35 | stew | xiambax: what does "lspci -n | fgrep 0000:00:02.0" return? |
| 00:05.45 | Tramp | real0ne: if you didn't change anything, this is bad. Search for error messages (use ctrl-alt pgup to scroll) |
| 00:05.52 | stew | xiambax: specifically i need what is in the 3rd column, something like "8086:10de" |
| 00:06.24 | xiambax | It returns nothing |
| 00:06.58 | real0ne | Trampcan u help me? |
| 00:07.08 | stew | xiambax: run "lspci" locate your wireless card. then run "lspci -n" and find the corresponding line |
| 00:07.22 | xiambax | 05:04.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
| 00:07.39 | stew | xiambax: what does "lspci -n | fgrep 05:04" return? |
| 00:07.56 | xiambax | 05:04.0 0280: 1814:0301 |
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| 00:08.23 | stew | xiambax: what does "grep '1814.*0301' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap" return ? |
| 00:08.34 | Tramp | real0ne: I doubt it. Certainly not, if you can't give useful error messages |
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| 00:09.09 | xiambax | Stew, It returns nothing |
| 00:09.13 | real0ne | Tramp this errore is very high :( |
| 00:09.37 | xiambax | debian:/lib/firmware# lspci -n | fgrep 05:04 |
| 00:09.37 | xiambax | 05:04.0 0280: 1814:0301 |
| 00:09.52 | stew | xiambax: then, rt2500 was probably not the right module for your card |
| 00:10.01 | stew | movietime for stew |
| 00:10.20 | xiambax | i have a 2561 |
| 00:11.25 | xiambax | Mmmm i have to go for supper. I'll be back later. Thanks for all the help so far. |
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| 00:30.45 | lydgate | why would mdadm fail on four specific blocks when creating a raid10 and kick it out of the device each time, but then when I run badblocks on that partition there are no bad blocks |
| 00:30.54 | lydgate | or maybe i need to run badblocks in the write mode |
| 00:30.57 | lydgate | yeah i'll do that |
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| 00:32.20 | jones_513 | how do i restart services from the command line? |
| 00:32.49 | timonator | use the scripts in /etc/init.d like so: /etc/init.d/myservice restart |
| 00:32.52 | lydgate | /etc/init.d/<command> restart |
| 00:33.00 | jones_513 | thnks |
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| 00:38.28 | lydgate | yeah, so badblocks -w didn't detect those blocks as bad either |
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| 00:41.48 | real0ne | i have thsi when i started my debain |
| 00:41.50 | real0ne | target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init |
| 00:42.02 | abrotman | real0ne: what did you do to your system? |
| 00:42.34 | real0ne | abrotman i have shutdonw the system anormaly |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:44.39 | RyanRyan52 | I am having issues with nagios. On one of the servers that I am monitering it is giving a timeout error for apt. (it says after 10 seconds) so I try `time sudo /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_apt -t 100` on the server and it takes 12 seconds. How can I either make this faster or change the timeout? |
| 00:45.06 | jones_513 | i even get permission denied trying to mount nfs shares on the machiene the server is on, im starting to hate nfs |
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| 00:46.05 | real0ne | abrotman i have shut it down that i can't start my system can u help plz |
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| 00:46.24 | abrotman | you didn't answer my question |
| 00:47.03 | real0ne | i was don't have time |
| 00:47.07 | real0ne | abrotman |
| 00:47.19 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:48.00 | prolix | hello |
| 00:48.25 | jones_513 | hi |
| 00:48.35 | prolix | i'm trying to install debian on a computer with an operating system already on it. |
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| 00:49.09 | prolix | when i get to the partition part, i don't quite understand how to proceed |
| 00:49.23 | jones_513 | do you want to keep the existing os? |
| 00:49.28 | prolix | yes, i do |
| 00:49.41 | abrotman | prolix: does the drive have free space? |
| 00:50.01 | prolix | abrotman: yes, it does. rough.y 118.5gb |
| 00:50.17 | abrotman | let me rephrase .. unpartitioned space |
| 00:50.40 | prolix | abrotman: no, the entire drive is formatted in ntfs |
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| 00:51.00 | abrotman | prolix: you'll have to try to get it to resize NTFS .. but i've not done that .. the install guide might do it |
| 00:51.10 | Mousey | you're all n00bs! |
| 00:51.20 | jones_513 | i am |
| 00:51.30 | Mousey | me too |
| 00:51.33 | romano2k | hi everyone! anyone able to give me a link about how to install ip_conntrack_rtsp? |
| 00:51.35 | Mousey | just tryna fit in |
| 00:51.36 | Mousey | ^_^ |
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| 00:52.55 | prolix | well, i'm trying to resize the partition now. let's hope it doesn't wipe my drive clean |
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| 00:53.03 | abrotman | backup? |
| 00:53.32 | prolix | nah. the machine's brand new. it would be a breeze to re-insta |
| 00:53.33 | prolix | ll |
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| 00:54.43 | real0ne | no one can help me |
| 00:55.12 | Mousey | that's true |
| 00:55.17 | Mousey | but i wasn't gnna say anything |
| 00:55.19 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 00:55.24 | prolix | i have a #1 primary 1.6gb ntfs. #2 primary 75.0gb B ntfs. pri/log 43.5g free space |
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| 00:56.25 | abrotman | Mousey: do you have a Debian question? |
| 00:56.36 | abrotman | prolix: okay .. i think |
| 00:56.55 | abrotman | prolix: so if you only want to use primary partitions, you've got two left |
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| 00:57.21 | abrotman | wonders what the 1.6GB NTFS is.. but oh well |
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| 00:57.35 | prolix | abrotman: it's veeeeeeesta |
| 00:57.52 | abrotman | on 1.6GB? or that's the restore partition ? |
| 00:58.07 | prolix | abrotman: i have absolutely no idea |
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| 00:58.13 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 00:59.08 | ComradeHaz | real0ne: have you upgraded your kernel recently? |
| 00:59.18 | real0ne | yes |
| 00:59.21 | real0ne | ComradeHaz |
| 00:59.26 | real0ne | plz help me |
| 00:59.33 | ComradeHaz | like before you shut down? |
| 00:59.37 | real0ne | yes |
| 00:59.44 | real0ne | u have writ |
| 00:59.58 | ComradeHaz | have you booted before since the kernel upgrade? |
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| 01:00.24 | real0ne | no |
| 01:00.28 | ComradeHaz | right |
| 01:00.33 | djones_ | tah dah |
| 01:00.41 | Mousey | abrotman: sorry, i'm just being being randomly abrasive. I will now lurk quietly like a good rodent |
| 01:00.42 | ComradeHaz | then I think I might know what's happened |
| 01:00.51 | real0ne | when have upgrade i have wock good than i have reboot and no more worck |
| 01:00.58 | real0ne | so help me plz |
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| 01:01.05 | ComradeHaz | right |
| 01:01.12 | ComradeHaz | I'll try |
| 01:01.17 | ComradeHaz | I'm a n00b too :D |
| 01:01.42 | ComradeHaz | so, if I remember rightly you still get a grub boot loader, right? |
| 01:01.54 | Azar | good for you I don't understand what he is saying, he's coming from Oz |
| 01:02.11 | ComradeHaz | :D |
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| 01:02.55 | real0ne | ComradeHaz yes |
| 01:03.05 | ComradeHaz | well, if you do, do whatever is neccessary to edit the boot command temporarily |
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| 01:03.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:03.43 | Tramp | his old kernel should still be in the menu, shouldn't it? |
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| 01:03.50 | ComradeHaz | now I can't try this as the only machines next to me now I can;t reboot and rebooting my other box'd be pointless as it's 3000 miles away |
| 01:03.53 | ComradeHaz | so |
| 01:04.05 | ComradeHaz | edit the latest one |
| 01:04.26 | abrotman | or try the previous? |
| 01:04.34 | ComradeHaz | and I suspect the boot device will be hda something or other |
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| 01:04.48 | ComradeHaz | change that to sda blah and try to boot |
| 01:05.10 | ComradeHaz | I'm pretty sure I had this same problem |
| 01:05.18 | ComradeHaz | although i may be confusing 2 issues |
| 01:05.23 | ComradeHaz | worht a try though :D |
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| 01:05.43 | ComradeHaz | !curse my heating being fucked |
| 01:05.43 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, my heating being fucked! |
| 01:05.47 | ComradeHaz | I'm freezing :D |
| 01:06.09 | real0ne | i don't understand any thing |
| 01:06.10 | ComradeHaz | rofl |
| 01:06.18 | ComradeHaz | there's actually a bot in here?! |
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| 01:06.20 | ComradeHaz | :DD |
| 01:06.22 | ComradeHaz | wicked |
| 01:06.34 | ComradeHaz | k real0ne |
| 01:06.38 | ComradeHaz | how far have you got? |
| 01:06.48 | real0ne | don't know |
| 01:06.55 | ComradeHaz | well |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | gives Tramp some popcorn |
| 01:07.06 | ComradeHaz | help us help you buddy ö= |
| 01:07.10 | prolix | alright. would anyone happen to know a good how to site for installing debian on a machine that already has vista installed? |
| 01:07.22 | abrotman | prolix: i thought you just resized the NTFS stuff |
| 01:07.30 | ComradeHaz | yes |
| 01:07.34 | ComradeHaz | it's called ebuyer |
| 01:07.43 | ComradeHaz | they sell hdd's |
| 01:07.44 | ComradeHaz | ;) |
| 01:08.10 | prolix | hope that tongue in cheek isn't a permanent condition, ComradeHaz |
| 01:08.17 | ComradeHaz | ÃD |
| 01:08.21 | prolix | abrotman: i did, but i'm still a little wary. |
| 01:08.25 | ComradeHaz | :D even |
| 01:08.31 | ComradeHaz | !curse keyboard layouts |
| 01:08.31 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, keyboard layouts! |
| 01:08.35 | abrotman | prolix: you just said a reinstall is easy! |
| 01:08.39 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: lay off the bot |
| 01:08.45 | ComradeHaz | lol, sorry |
| 01:08.46 | prolix | easy, yes. quick, no. |
| 01:08.48 | ComradeHaz | it's a habbit |
| 01:08.55 | abrotman | prolix: so nothing to lose! |
| 01:09.02 | ComradeHaz | we have a bot with same command in our own channel |
| 01:09.08 | ComradeHaz | (lot better, mind :D) |
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| 01:09.47 | prolix | the machine i have has a restore cd, so i don't know if doing the guided partitioning will erase the restore partition, too. |
| 01:10.04 | prolix | i spoke before i thought. |
| 01:10.21 | abrotman | prolix: it'll be fun |
| 01:10.33 | prolix | abrotman: heh |
| 01:10.36 | prolix | abrotman: right on |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | prolix: just so you know .. my idea of fun is strange :) |
| 01:11.56 | ComradeHaz | so's mine |
| 01:12.02 | ComradeHaz | it involves pink handcuffs |
| 01:12.08 | ComradeHaz | o.O |
| 01:12.18 | ComradeHaz | :O did I say that out loud |
| 01:12.26 | prolix | alright. now i have a 41.6gb B f ext3 partition and a logical 1.8gb f swap |
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| 01:13.37 | abrotman | prolix: sounds usable |
| 01:13.54 | prolix | 41.6 is still much larger than the 20g hdd i'm used to working with. i'm excited, abrotman |
| 01:14.06 | abrotman | prolix: just wait til you fill it up! |
| 01:14.10 | ComradeHaz | me too |
| 01:14.10 | Tramp | abrotman: ty. Hope it's not that microwave stuff |
| 01:14.18 | ComradeHaz | especially about the handcuffs |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | Tramp: no toxic fumes for you! |
| 01:14.37 | prolix | i don't think i'll ever fill it up. i usually put data onto hard mediums as soon as there's enough to fill a disc |
| 01:14.44 | Tramp | great. Lovem |
| 01:16.11 | prolix | here we go! |
| 01:16.15 | prolix | crosses fingers |
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| 01:18.06 | abrotman | prolix: did it break yet? |
| 01:18.37 | prolix | abrotman: not yet. it's on the installing the base system part. configuring apt sources |
| 01:18.40 | prolix | and it's not moving |
| 01:19.05 | lydgate | prolix: you talk too much ... hehe jk |
| 01:19.08 | abrotman | you might not have network |
| 01:19.13 | prolix | lydgate: heh |
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| 01:22.23 | jones_513 | should portmap be listed in lsmod? |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | is it for you? |
| 01:24.23 | jones_513 | well is it were running, would it be there? |
| 01:24.39 | jones_513 | if it were running* |
| 01:25.43 | abrotman | it's not on my box |
| 01:25.45 | squisher | jones_513, nope |
| 01:25.56 | phil2 | Is there a way to redirect all the shell traffic to a proxy? |
| 01:26.00 | squisher | portmap is userspace AFAIK |
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| 01:26.16 | phil2 | me? |
| 01:26.25 | abrotman | no |
| 01:26.39 | phil2 | I was just wondering if there is away to do that? |
| 01:26.50 | abrotman | a proxy? |
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| 01:27.04 | phil2 | Logging purposees |
| 01:28.08 | JoeThomas | Hi, I use DWM and want xlockmore, xscreensaver, etc. Xscreen shouldn't be run as root, But how can I give a user privileges to have startx us DWM and have power for xlockmore? |
| 01:30.56 | phil2 | Can be done? |
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| 01:31.55 | dondelelcaro | JoeThomas: there's nothing special about having the user run xlockmore or xscreensaver; all you have to do is make sure that console users can run X, which is in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 01:32.15 | dondelelcaro | phil2: it can be done, but it should never be done. |
| 01:32.35 | dondelelcaro | phil2: if you're just recording what you've done though, use script. |
| 01:32.48 | JoeThomas | dondelelcaro: sorry bit of a noob at this, so should I add my user to the console group? |
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| 01:33.04 | dondelelcaro | JoeThomas: no, your user gets added automatically when they log on to the console. |
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| 01:33.21 | dondelelcaro | (at least, assuming you haven't really mucked with everything) |
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| 01:33.28 | JoeThomas | dondelelcaro: alright. My user can startx, but DWM isn't there. it's just x with bash term |
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| 01:33.46 | phil2 | What do you mean? |
| 01:34.14 | dondelelcaro | JoeThomas: so add a .xsession with exec dwm; or similar in it. |
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| 01:34.25 | dondelelcaro | phil2: script is a command; man script; |
| 01:34.44 | phil2 | How to write to script to do that? |
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| 01:35.16 | dondelelcaro | uh... script is a command, not script as in shell script. |
| 01:35.18 | abrotman | phil2: man script |
| 01:35.33 | phil2 | I know what script file is. |
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| 01:36.07 | phil2 | I am trying to determine how it would work and interfaces with bash? |
| 01:36.12 | JoeThomas | dondelelcaro: thank you. |
| 01:36.59 | dondelelcaro | JoeThomas: np; if you want a more complex example, you can see here: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_base/.xsession |
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| 01:37.34 | CppIsWeird | how do i make a copy of a linux system partition? |
| 01:37.53 | dondelelcaro | CppIsWeird: with cp, cat, dd, tar or anything else you want to use. |
| 01:37.56 | CppIsWeird | i've run into problems just copying it |
| 01:37.57 | JoeThomas | dondelelcaro: alright thanks again. |
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| 01:38.21 | phil2 | I just need a way to log the users outgoing connections. |
| 01:38.21 | CppIsWeird | it got hung up forever on some directory |
| 01:38.35 | DogBoy | you can use partimage too |
| 01:38.48 | dondelelcaro | phil2: if you want to log that, use the log targets of iptables |
| 01:38.59 | dondelelcaro | CppIsWeird: how were you copying it? |
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| 01:39.12 | phil2 | THe logging needs to run 24/7 |
| 01:39.30 | dondelelcaro | phil2: uh... that's why I recommended what I did. What problem exactly are you trying to solve here? |
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| 01:39.52 | dondelelcaro | phil2: as in, why do you care particularly to what your users are connecting? |
| 01:39.56 | Tramp | Is the dpms-setting a property of the server or of the display? in other words, can i have dpms active on :0.0 but inactive on :0.1? |
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| 01:40.41 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: you *may* be able to; xset supports -display, but I've never tested it myself. |
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| 01:40.53 | abrotman | Tramp: the monitor section so the man xorg.conf seems to imply |
| 01:41.04 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: yeah. It doesn't work with xset along - I thought maybe there is some other way |
| 01:41.06 | phil2 | Logs the date, time, user name & all outgoing connections ip address. |
| 01:41.17 | dondelelcaro | phil2: why? |
| 01:41.45 | phil2 | I allow the users to access the machine and I get a abuse complaint from my isp I need the logs. |
| 01:41.58 | abrotman | the logs from when the abuse happened? |
| 01:42.09 | CppIsWeird | dondelelcaro: gksudo konqueror ctrl+a in root, ctrl+c, ctrl+v in desired backup location. |
| 01:42.25 | Tramp | abrotman: ah, ok. maybe if I set it directly in the conf it makes a difference. tq. |
| 01:42.25 | phil2 | All outgoing tcp & udp logs with ip address |
| 01:42.36 | abrotman | no user names? |
| 01:42.41 | ComradeHaz | CppIsWeird: you'll prob have more luck creating an archive |
| 01:42.46 | phil2 | Users name would be nice |
| 01:42.47 | ComradeHaz | iirc |
| 01:42.58 | seth1248 | I just setup debian with sda raid 1 with my / partition encrypted (/boot partition was not encrypted of course), but when I try to boot I get "waiting for root filesystem" and it does not ask me for my encryption passphrase. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 01:43.06 | dondelelcaro | phil2: so again, use the iptables log facility. |
| 01:43.17 | dondelelcaro | phil2: it's capable of tracking which uid generated the packets. |
| 01:43.26 | abrotman | phil2: alternately .. get rid of the users? :) |
| 01:43.26 | phil2 | I do not think iptables gives you the user name. |
| 01:43.53 | dondelelcaro | phil2: it gives you the uid, which is good enough. You know, you could read the manpages, instead of arguing with me. |
| 01:44.07 | CppIsWeird | typically an archive would be fine, but i actually intend to access files in this backup, and uncompressing a 100gb archive needlessly seems a but excessive. i've mounted the system partition under a live CD as read only, it would seem to me i would not be having trouble. |
| 01:44.31 | phil2 | I like iptables but it takes a lot of space for logging |
| 01:44.35 | CppIsWeird | the last thing it got stuck on was console, i dont remember the path to it. does this mean anything to you? |
| 01:44.42 | ComradeHaz | didn't say you need to compress it ;) |
| 01:44.51 | ComradeHaz | but also |
| 01:44.56 | dondelelcaro | phil2: uh... either you want the logs or you don't; having the logs is going to take space. |
| 01:45.00 | Kevin` | PhilKC log more logically then |
| 01:45.01 | ComradeHaz | you shouldn't need to boot from live cd |
| 01:45.11 | ComradeHaz | no files get locked in that sense by linux |
| 01:45.13 | Kevin` | phil2 rather |
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| 01:45.16 | ComradeHaz | afaik |
| 01:45.21 | rom | hi |
| 01:45.25 | CppIsWeird | good to know. |
| 01:45.27 | ComradeHaz | lo |
| 01:45.29 | dondelelcaro | CppIsWeird: why are you using konq? just open a root shell and use cp or rsync. |
| 01:45.40 | ComradeHaz | :O |
| 01:45.41 | rom | how to read the content of ram in a console? |
| 01:45.43 | ComradeHaz | good point |
| 01:45.53 | ComradeHaz | o.O |
| 01:45.53 | ComradeHaz | hides |
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| 01:46.14 | prolix | eureka! |
| 01:46.14 | rom | and the content of the swap? |
| 01:46.19 | abrotman | elziadstar: please don't msg me |
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| 01:46.34 | ComradeHaz | do you mean exact content or just the amount used? |
| 01:46.39 | rom | content |
| 01:46.40 | rom | in hexa |
| 01:46.42 | elziadstar | helloooo |
| 01:46.46 | abrotman | elziadstar: talk in the channel, i'm not going to respond in /msg |
| 01:46.48 | elziadstar | i am ziad |
| 01:46.51 | rom | I already found such a command, I can't remember |
| 01:46.54 | ComradeHaz | then I have no fucking clue :D |
| 01:47.10 | dondelelcaro | rom: /dev/mem is the device; swap you can just read of the disk directly. |
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| 01:48.09 | prolix | is stoked |
| 01:48.13 | rom | thank you very much |
| 01:48.15 | rom | sudo dd if=/dev/mem | hexdump -C | less |
| 01:48.16 | rom | :) |
| 01:48.27 | abrotman | prolix: all good ? |
| 01:48.40 | dondelelcaro | rom: uh... you know you could just hexdump -C /dev/mem|less ? |
| 01:48.44 | prolix | abrotman: it is all good. thank you kindly |
| 01:49.01 | rom | yes :) |
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| 01:50.00 | smagy2 | hello folks does auth/113 port need to be open? it seems to be opened by inetd and i am not sure what it is being used for |
| 01:50.04 | smagy2 | i am running etch |
| 01:50.22 | Kevin` | smagy2 normally not needed |
| 01:51.05 | abrotman | smagy2: identd |
| 01:51.11 | prolix | everything works just beautifully |
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| 01:51.20 | prolix | now i can get off of this old mac and start to learn linux |
| 01:51.32 | phil2 | Using ip tables how can I log all the traffic for user id # 1001 please? |
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| 01:51.34 | smagy2 | would just commenting the line in /etc/inetd.conf just work ? |
| 01:51.35 | abrotman | takes the old mac |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | !tell phil2 about iptables |
| 01:51.47 | abrotman | smagy2: yes |
| 01:51.50 | prolix | it's a 366mhz g3 |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | prolix: i do actually have a mini around here somewhere |
| 01:52.34 | smagy2 | abrotman: i did look at the man page. since i run only ssh on my system. i figured i didn't need the auth service. |
| 01:52.38 | smagy2 | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:52.43 | smagy2 | Kevin: thanks |
| 01:52.45 | abrotman | smagy2: you don't .. comment it out |
| 01:52.46 | prolix | abrotman: minis are cool little machines |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | prolix: especially running debian :) |
| 01:53.08 | prolix | abrotman: :o |
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| 01:56.12 | prolix | i think of os x as a well defined linux distro, with a few minor restrictions. |
| 01:56.28 | prolix | abrotman: why would you remove os x? |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman | prolix: don't like it |
| 01:56.41 | pipeline | uh what |
| 01:56.47 | pipeline | it shares very little with linux |
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| 01:56.48 | abrotman | uh true! |
| 01:56.55 | prolix | abrotman: that makes perfect sense |
| 01:56.59 | abrotman | pipeline: you always have to argue :) |
| 01:57.07 | pipeline | It has a really bizarre ABI and the kernel architecture from hell :P |
| 01:57.16 | seth1248 | Has anyone here set up debian with an encrypted volume over raid1? |
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| 01:57.23 | abrotman | prolix: i'm incompatible with OSX .. i've tried to get used to it .. no workie |
| 01:57.36 | pipeline | I had to use OSX for a while. HATE. |
| 01:58.05 | prolix | abrotman: heh. i'm not that deep into the operating system where kernel differences would make much of a difference. all i really want is shell functionality and os x has that. |
| 01:58.14 | pipeline | Broken threading and a weirdo ABI makes it a real pain in the ass to port stuff. |
| 01:58.17 | abrotman | that's the part that failed :) |
| 01:58.20 | pipeline | prolix: *windows* comes with a unix shell :P |
| 01:58.34 | prolix | pipeline: it does? what's it called? |
| 01:58.53 | pipeline | prolix: I'm trying to think of an OS that DOESN'T have a first-party UNIX shell available, and OS/400 is the only thing that comes to mind. VM/CMS, Windows, and OpenVMS all have UNIX shells available, btw. |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | prolix: vista does |
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| 01:59.02 | abrotman | or unix-ish |
| 01:59.05 | pipeline | prolix: Uhhh MS SFU for pre-Win2003, MS SUA for modern windows. |
| 01:59.08 | baloo | abrotman: Not enough to count. |
| 01:59.16 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, it's genuine ksh now. No more MKS toolkit bullshit. |
| 01:59.17 | abrotman | baloo: better than command.com :) |
| 01:59.27 | rom | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.28 | abrotman | pipeline: the MSH stuff? |
| 01:59.30 | prolix | baloo: i agree |
| 01:59.32 | baloo | Not by enough when cygwin has a real shell. |
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| 01:59.56 | pipeline | abrotman: No, I'm talking about SUA and SFU. Real, honest to god ksh. The really old SFU, from the bad old days, (i.e. NT4), came with MKS Toolkit ksh, which was crap. |
| 01:59.59 | baloo | That being said, cygwin's a stupid bitch. I'd rather have the real thing. |
| 02:00.03 | prolix | i don't know about running an operating system through another operating system. seems...vulnerable that way |
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| 02:00.06 | pipeline | baloo: Eh, why use cygwin when SUA is actually supported by microsoft :P |
| 02:00.12 | abrotman | pipeline: i wasn't talking about MKS .. i meant MSH |
| 02:00.16 | pipeline | baloo: Also, considerably faster. |
| 02:00.17 | abrotman | looks for it |
| 02:00.27 | pipeline | abrotman: Eh, is that what grew out of monad. |
| 02:00.31 | prolix | man debian loads fast |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | pipeline: yes |
| 02:00.54 | abrotman | pipeline: IIRC anyways |
| 02:01.14 | pipeline | prolix: It's not running through another operating system, any more than the POSIX interface to OSX is running through another operating system. SUA is part of Windows :P |
| 02:01.23 | pipeline | abrotman: crazy OO shit, built-in access to WMI ? |
| 02:01.36 | abrotman | pipeline: yeah .. i think so .. i haven't seen it in awhile |
| 02:02.05 | prolix | pipeline: makes sense. is the same true for the 'andlinux' app? |
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| 02:02.13 | pipeline | prolix: I have no idea what that is. |
| 02:02.24 | pipeline | prolix: google says it's not first party, so I also don't give a shit what it is :) |
| 02:02.27 | yago | does anyone use Ada? |
| 02:02.34 | prolix | pipeline: haha |
| 02:02.39 | prolix | pipeline: right on |
| 02:02.40 | pipeline | !poll |
| 02:02.40 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:03.04 | dpkg | it has been said that ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:03.08 | abrotman | hides |
| 02:03.25 | abrotman | yago: i have an Ada book i've never read ... |
| 02:04.19 | abrotman | yago: don't msg me |
| 02:04.29 | yago | oh, sorry! |
| 02:04.34 | yago | I'm new on this |
| 02:05.05 | yago | abortman, do you know how find the path of the compiler GNAT? |
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| 02:05.39 | abrotman | nope .. |
| 02:05.47 | abrotman | there is a #ada though |
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| 02:06.01 | pipeline | probably need to install GNAT first |
| 02:07.14 | yago | thank you abrotman |
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| 02:18.52 | halflife | hello folks, i am tracking sid. i have a desktop that a external hard disk connected via usb port. it is recognized as sda. i then connected my motorola phone to the usb port for charging. when this happens. once in a while the usb device recog kicks in and switches the identity of the sda to sdb as if was a device that was just inserted in and a couple of mins later it switches to being recognized as sda. that is it |
| 02:18.52 | halflife | screen as if a new device was connected. all the time the device is never disconnected |
| 02:19.51 | halflife | this basically kills all my mount points and i have to remount the devices because of errors like Buffer I/O error on devices etc |
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| 02:20.56 | halflife | would appreciate some help. the kernel that i am using is a standard debian kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 02:26.00 | dondelelcaro | halflife: check what dmesg says |
| 02:26.22 | dondelelcaro | halflife: you'll probably see insertion events or something; most likely the usb chipset is freaking out (or getting undervolted) |
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| 02:27.41 | dondelelcaro | halflife: you *may* be able to work around it by using udev to specifically assign a hardlink to that drive so that you're no longer mounting /dev/sda, but it still may be dicey. |
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| 02:28.43 | halflife | dondelelcaro: okay thank you. i will look into it. i have also a suspicion that the external hard disk with the usb enclosure might be flaky, but i don't know how to go about investigating it |
| 02:29.14 | dondelelcaro | halflife: dmesg; will give you more information on what's going on |
| 02:29.25 | dondelelcaro | halflife: it's a powered enclosure, right? |
| 02:29.42 | halflife | dondelelcaro: yes it is . it has its own power supply |
| 02:30.34 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I'd personally suspect that it's your phone causing an undervolt or similar; but kind of hard to say for certain |
| 02:30.53 | dondelelcaro | (the only way I know is to plug a multimeter into the thing) |
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| 02:33.42 | halflife | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/KMTUpF76.html |
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| 02:38.58 | Foobartender | Is there a logfile which might help me to find out why a kernel failed to boot? |
| 02:39.25 | halflife | Foobartender: is it is a kernel crash when you boot the kernel?is the boot order correct ? |
| 02:40.06 | Foobartender | I dont't know, the machine is remote. It's a custom compiled kernel and the machine didn't boot. |
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| 02:42.29 | halflife | Foobartender: can you get the system to rebooted to use an older kernel |
| 02:42.56 | Foobartender | Sure, it's up again with a working kernel. |
| 02:43.28 | halflife | Foobartender: what does diff of the older kernel and newer kernel configs ? |
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| 02:44.50 | Foobartender | The new kernel is a 2.6.18 vanilla with hrt-dyntick2 patch and a slightly modified default config from a 2.6.18 debian package. |
| 02:45.36 | Foobartender | Right now I just want to find out whether the kernel or config is totally messed up, or if there's just something wrong with the initrd image or so. |
| 02:46.41 | halflife | Foobartender: how did you build the kernel ? make-kpkg ? |
| 02:46.46 | Foobartender | Yes. |
| 02:47.47 | Foobartender | Without -initrd though. That way it worked on another machine, but failed with -initrd. |
| 02:48.12 | Foobartender | So I want to find out whether I need to compile it with -initrd, or something else is the reason. |
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| 02:49.17 | ioerror | How can I check my current grub configuration? other than /boot/grub/menu.list? |
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| 02:50.57 | halflife | ioerror: what are you looking for |
| 02:51.13 | halflife | Foobartender: I wouldn't know about th inirtd options never tried it |
| 02:51.21 | ioerror | I'm in the process of installing grub on a flash drive (specificlaly installing debian into a chroot) |
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| 02:51.32 | ioerror | I'm concerned that I have trampled over my /dev/sda grub entries |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | if not that file .. what do you want to check? |
| 02:52.42 | ioerror | I'm slightly concerned that it may have installed grub into /dev/sda and told it to boot from hd0,2 or something |
| 02:52.46 | ioerror | rather than hd0,0 |
| 02:52.47 | Foobartender | ioerror: Do you want to make sure grub on /dev/sda is using the right /boot/menu.lst? |
| 02:52.51 | ioerror | yes |
| 02:52.55 | ioerror | That's correct, thank you |
| 02:54.04 | Foobartender | ioerror: I don't know how to check that, but you could rerun grub to make sure. |
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| 02:54.45 | ioerror | It's true. Ideally though, I want to know if I need to do that. If I haven't trampled it, I am happy to not touch it ;-) |
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| 02:56.53 | halflife | Foobartender: does your new kernel config have the disk controller drivers marked as modular ? |
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| 02:58.33 | Foobartender | Yes, seems so. |
| 02:59.16 | halflife | Foobartender: then if i am not wrong you would need to build the initrd image image. |
| 02:59.44 | halflife | Foobartender: did you build it with initrd image option and boot the kernel to see if it worked ? |
| 03:00.03 | Foobartender | I'm currently doing that. |
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| 03:02.05 | Foobartender | But actually I'd like to know if there's a logfile which would say something like "missing initrd image" if that's the reason. |
| 03:02.23 | Foobartender | So that I wouldn't have to trial and error. ;) |
| 03:03.22 | halflife | Foobartender: hmmn mostly likely the disk driver was not in the memory , so it can't mount the disk and hence can't log. if you have serial console or remote console access to the ssytems then you look at the boot process to find out what's going on |
| 03:04.13 | halflife | Foobartender: i mean the disk driver was not present since it is modular. |
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| 03:05.02 | ioerror | I'm installing debain with debootstrap. For the most part, everything seems to be going well. However, when I boot the machine (a soekris board), i get: Begin: Waiting for root file system... ... |
| 03:05.14 | Foobartender | Ok, I see. |
| 03:05.14 | ioerror | Eventually, it times out and drops me to a busybox shell |
| 03:05.23 | Foobartender | I'll just try with initrd. |
| 03:05.24 | Foobartender | Thanks. |
| 03:05.26 | ioerror | I notice that /dev/ doesn't have any sda devices |
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| 03:06.09 | ioerror | Is there an obvious reason why the initrd wouldn't have certain files? Does it matter what was in my /dev directory when i installed the kernel? |
| 03:06.15 | cmanns | Hey guys |
| 03:06.17 | cmanns | Dmesg says this http://rafb.net/p/gUTq2a38.html any ideas? |
| 03:08.24 | halflife | cmanns: running iptables ? |
| 03:08.30 | cmanns | yes |
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| 03:08.45 | cmanns | The box has network issues and it spits that out to the terminal. |
| 03:08.58 | halflife | cmanns: its an alert for rule |
| 03:09.04 | cmanns | ah i see |
| 03:09.06 | halflife | **a rule |
| 03:09.30 | halflife | cmanns: i am no expert at iptables, it is probably a rule that says log this event |
| 03:09.40 | halflife | cmanns: so look for rules that say log |
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| 03:13.17 | Canaris_ | Hey. Quick question: I keep reading 'd-i' what does that mean or stand for?!? |
| 03:13.29 | Canaris_ | Debian Installer? |
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| 03:14.42 | halflife | Canaris_: where are you reading it ? |
| 03:15.10 | Canaris_ | i came upon it many times now |
| 03:15.13 | Canaris_ | hold on a sec |
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| 03:15.52 | Canaris_ | here for example: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/02/msg00274.html |
| 03:16.13 | Canaris_ | quote: I suggest that for the next beta we focus on dealing with non-free |
| 03:16.14 | Canaris_ | firmware better in d-i. An increasing number of machines are difficult |
| 03:16.14 | Canaris_ | to install with d-i, or don't have all hardware working fully |
| 03:16.14 | Canaris_ | post-install due to non-free firmware issues. |
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| 03:16.38 | Canaris_ | any clues as to what this is referring to? |
| 03:17.05 | halflife | Canaris_: yup debian-installer http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ search for d-i |
| 03:18.57 | Canaris_ | ok great |
| 03:18.59 | Canaris_ | thanks! |
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| 03:26.01 | tengulre | hi,all , how to print logging information in iptables? |
| 03:26.56 | Tramp | tengulre: man iptables, search for LOG |
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| 03:31.31 | xiambax | Ok im back bros |
| 03:31.39 | xiambax | can you guys help me with my wifi card again? |
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| 03:31.53 | streuner | xiambax: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 03:32.15 | xiambax | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:32.20 | bwlang_ | ach! my keyboard modifers are screwed up!.... it's like the shift key is stuck down. |
| 03:32.33 | bwlang_ | anybody know how to reset this without restarting X? |
| 03:33.24 | streuner | xiambax: Do you know what kind of chipset it has? |
| 03:33.25 | simonrvn | tap it repeatedly, or turn capslock off |
| 03:33.30 | xiambax | Yeah. |
| 03:33.40 | xiambax | 05:04.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
| 03:33.57 | bwlang_ | simonrvn: it's not physically stuck... it's software stuck |
| 03:34.04 | streuner | And you have a working driver too? |
| 03:34.19 | xiambax | I dont know. If it was working i think id be alright |
| 03:34.25 | bwlang_ | it's quite crippling! |
| 03:35.33 | streuner | well, search for at groups.google.com (usenet) and google itself, if you dont find a driver there is always ndiswrapper (which use windows drivers to work in Linux) |
| 03:35.57 | streuner | !listvals 2561 |
| 03:35.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of '2561' by value (3): rt61 ;; awlh3026t ;; ralink. |
| 03:36.00 | xiambax | the driver is available via the ralinktech website |
| 03:36.16 | streuner | fine |
| 03:36.39 | streuner | What they suggest to configure the wlan? |
| 03:36.54 | bwlang_ | ach... can pass any argument to commands (like xmodmap ) |
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| 03:38.21 | streuner | !test |
| 03:38.21 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 03:38.38 | streuner | !rt61 |
| 03:38.38 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2561 (rt61) chipsets is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/IS_Linux_STA_6x_D_1.1.1.0.tar.gz, enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz. Note that firmware is required for the enhanced driver: http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip. Also ask me about <rt2x00>. |
| 03:39.23 | streuner | !factinfo rt61 |
| 03:39.23 | dpkg | rt61 -- last modified at Tue Oct 2 02:02:24 2007 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@203-214-104-55.dyn.iinet.net.au; it has been requested 34 times, last by streuner, 45s ago. |
| 03:39.27 | xiambax | http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip is what i need |
| 03:39.39 | xiambax | i downloaded it and extracted it to /lib/firmware already |
| 03:40.47 | streuner | fine |
| 03:43.04 | xiambax | on sec |
| 03:43.06 | xiambax | found a tutorial |
| 03:43.07 | xiambax | will try |
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| 03:48.37 | streuner | http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/2007_1210_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.0.tar.bz2 - its in /Module/README pretty well described HOW to configure |
| 03:48.49 | streuner | everything |
| 03:50.29 | noohgodno | !dpkg is going to die and that's a written threat |
| 03:50.29 | dpkg | ...but dpkg is already something else... |
| 03:50.39 | noohgodno | oo |
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| 03:54.10 | bandito | i need some help folks, i've got a raid 1 array (mdadm) with 1 bad drive, the machine stopped responding to anything, i shut it down, popped the drive, and it came back up ok... so now what? i think the process is: shut down, install new drive, boot up, create partitions on new drive (sdb), install grub to sdb, pray, and mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdb1 ? |
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| 03:56.59 | phil2 | What is the command to install all the debian common files please? |
| 03:58.42 | streuner | debian common files? |
| 03:58.52 | phil2 | gcc and make |
| 03:59.03 | streuner | !b-e phil2 |
| 03:59.04 | dpkg | phil2: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 03:59.31 | phil2 | apt-get install -y build-essential |
| 03:59.48 | streuner | phil2: aptitude install build-essential |
| 04:00.42 | phil2 | ty |
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| 04:12.26 | hatter | where do i look to see if an external usb hard drive has been plugged in/detected ? |
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| 04:13.32 | streuner | lsusb or just use dmesg or /var/log/syslog |
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| 04:14.10 | hatter | streuner, thx |
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| 04:22.22 | jelly-home | bandito: basically yes |
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| 04:23.59 | Menfest | How can i restrict email which comes to a certain account or alias to only come from a specified account or domain? |
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| 04:24.51 | bandito | jelly-home, any gotchas i gotta look out for? i've got the mail backed up (its a mail server) but i'll be in quite a pickle if i muck it up |
| 04:26.07 | jelly-home | bandito: it depends on how your bios sees sdb in case sda dies, you might have to install grub to load itself from hd1, not hd0 |
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| 04:27.16 | bandito | jelly-home, if i put the blank drive it and it won't boot, can i just take it back out and restart? |
| 04:28.11 | jelly-home | bandito: mind you, this will only be important for the next time, and only if sda dies. |
| 04:28.28 | bandito | i see |
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| 04:29.02 | bandito | what about the file system? after copying the partitions, is it necessary to run a mkext3fs on sdb? |
| 04:29.32 | bandito | or does md work at a low enough level that it doesnt carE? |
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| 04:29.36 | Menfest | i want to prevent spam from coming to an alias so if I restrict to to mail from our domain I would think it would cut a lot of spam. |
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| 04:29.53 | jelly-home | bandito: no. create the partitions and join the block devices to their respective mirrors |
| 04:30.32 | jelly-home | bandito: md won't care about the current data and will overwrite it anyway |
| 04:30.38 | tenzind | Hi, I am using Debian Lenny with kernel 2.6.21-2-686. I have this problem where my system clock always gets 6 hours late when i boot my PC every time. The clock in the bios is ok. While booting, I can see a messege like "unable to set system clock" . What could be the problem. |
| 04:30.42 | jelly-home | bandito: so no need to mkfs |
| 04:31.42 | bandito | jelly-home, ok cool, i'm going to give it a shot, will you be around for a few minutes? |
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| 04:32.34 | jelly-home | bandito: I probably won't be :-) |
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| 04:32.52 | bandito | hehe ok, thanks for your help |
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| 04:33.43 | jelly-home | bandito: it's funny that you only mention one partition as being a part of raid though, I'd expect people to have at least a / and a swap |
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| 04:36.05 | kindofabuzz | i need help with the cpio command http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60125/ |
| 04:36.51 | bandito | jelly-home, there are actually 3 partitions on it, sorry if i was unclear |
| 04:37.12 | tenzind | Hi, I am using Debian Lenny with kernel 2.6.21-2-686. I have this problem where my system clock always gets 6 hours late when i boot my PC every time. The clock in the bios is ok. While booting, I can see a messege like "unable to set system clock" . What could be the problem? |
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| 04:37.20 | bandito | i put the drive in and rebooted... came up ok... cross yr fingers |
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| 04:40.50 | bandito | ...partition table copied |
| 04:41.16 | jelly-home | sfdisk rules ;-) |
| 04:41.22 | kindofabuzz | >i'm making a new partition for /home, the site says do a find . -depth -print0 | cpio ânull âsparse -pvd /mnt/newhome/ but i get an error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60125/ |
| 04:41.38 | bandito | yeah seriously, i didnt know about it until today, it's great |
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| 04:42.52 | cafuego | kindofabuzz: that is an *awful* command. |
| 04:42.55 | cafuego | kindofabuzz: Just use rsync |
| 04:43.09 | bandito | jelly-home, mdadm: hot added /dev/sdb1, done in 86 minutes... whhheeeewwwww |
| 04:43.14 | kindofabuzz | ok what would be the sytax for that? |
| 04:43.24 | bandito | that wasnt so bad |
| 04:43.30 | kindofabuzz | i wanna copy /home to /mnt/newhome |
| 04:44.12 | kgoetz | kindofabuzz: rsync -av /home/ /mnt/newhome ? |
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| 04:44.39 | jelly-home | kgoetz: but... does it handle sparse files? :-) |
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| 04:45.02 | cafuego | wtf do you have sparse files sitting in yer homedir for |
| 04:45.07 | kgoetz | jelly-home: might need --sparce or another switch, but rsync will yes. |
| 04:45.11 | cafuego | -S |
| 04:45.23 | cafuego | rsync -avS /home/ /mnt/newhome |
| 04:45.34 | kindofabuzz | i don't know what a sparse file is so... =) |
| 04:45.49 | kindofabuzz | so rsync -avS /home/ /mnt/newhome? |
| 04:45.53 | cafuego | Yes |
| 04:45.59 | cafuego | (as root, obviously :-) |
| 04:46.06 | kindofabuzz | tha will take care of links and everything? |
| 04:46.11 | cafuego | yes |
| 04:46.16 | kindofabuzz | cool thanks |
| 04:46.22 | cafuego | well, not hardl;inks |
| 04:46.24 | cafuego | actually |
| 04:46.41 | jelly-home | cp -a! |
| 04:46.52 | kindofabuzz | yeah why not just cp -a? |
| 04:46.53 | cafuego | jelly-home: rsync is faster |
| 04:47.01 | cafuego | ALL HAIL Tridge! |
| 04:47.02 | kindofabuzz | i want it to copy everything |
| 04:47.53 | cafuego | kindofabuzz: You can ^c this and continue latser, cp can't be interrupted without re-copying *everything* |
| 04:47.54 | jelly-home | cafuego: even with -H? |
| 04:47.55 | kgoetz | Tridge > cp |
| 04:48.11 | cafuego | jelly-home: -a does not include -H :-) |
| 04:48.25 | jelly-home | no, but rsync -avSH does |
| 04:48.26 | kindofabuzz | so just do rsync -avS /home/ /mnt/newhome? |
| 04:48.37 | cafuego | rsync -avSH /home/ /mnt/newhome |
| 04:48.49 | jelly-home | likes -P as well :-D |
| 04:49.00 | kgoetz | is there a -e? you should have SHave :) |
| 04:49.02 | cafuego | paybe a --progress too, if you're into that sort of thing |
| 04:49.02 | kindofabuzz | ok |
| 04:49.26 | jelly-home | -P is basically short for --progress (and some other less relevant thing) |
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| 04:50.13 | kindofabuzz | do i need to shutdown X before doing it? |
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| 04:54.15 | noohgodno | i'm trolling the windows channel |
| 04:54.18 | noohgodno | i hope you're all proud of me |
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| 04:58.32 | tengulre | how to using tcpdump monitor a port and a source address? |
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| 05:01.51 | cafuego | tcpdump -l port XXX src YYY.YYY.YYY.YYY |
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| 05:04.03 | ybeddyj | what the cause of this error |
| 05:04.14 | ybeddyj | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 05:04.28 | kgoetz | seems fairly self explanitory to me |
| 05:04.30 | tengulre | cafuego: I got syntax error. |
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| 05:09.42 | Old_Fogie | Hello all, anyone have a debian lenny box i386 that cannot boot if you have an external USB 4in1 memory card reader plugged in. My box just sits and waits on scan lun process. Pulling out the card reader and inserting later is fine. Any ideas? |
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| 05:10.24 | infernal_jesus | Old_Fogie: what is the boot order? |
| 05:10.24 | noohgodno | i'm thinking i should install xp |
| 05:10.27 | noohgodno | over server 2000 |
| 05:10.31 | noohgodno | is it worth it? |
| 05:10.50 | infernal_jesus | noohgodno: haha :P |
| 05:10.50 | Old_Fogie | infernal_jesus, my pc uses one parrallel ata 100 hard drive, that's my /dev/hda. |
| 05:10.59 | Old_Fogie | infernal_jesus, that's what lenny is on. |
| 05:11.05 | noohgodno | well i use this as a server |
| 05:11.11 | infernal_jesus | Old_Fogie: in BIOS, the boot order? |
| 05:11.24 | Old_Fogie | infernal_jesus, oh, it's floppy, cdrom, then hard drive. |
| 05:11.32 | infernal_jesus | ah |
| 05:11.33 | infernal_jesus | hm.. |
| 05:11.45 | Old_Fogie | infernal_jesus, there is an option for raid / scsi boot |
| 05:12.00 | Old_Fogie | infernal_jesus, tho I dont own any hardware to support them options. etch is on this box too. |
| 05:12.41 | stew | noohgodno: wrong channel. |
| 05:12.48 | infernal_jesus | Old_Fogie: hm.. I dunno, sorry =/ |
| 05:12.53 | Old_Fogie | infernal_jesus, ok |
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| 05:12.59 | noohgodno | oh i thought i was in #windows |
| 05:13.04 | noohgodno | i have both open |
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| 05:13.17 | noohgodno | (running a dual boot, DSlinux on my box) |
| 05:13.28 | Old_Fogie | infernal_jesus, you wouldnt happen to know if that is a file bug or not. I'm trying the bug sys now, and I'm comming up with nothing. |
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| 05:14.19 | infernal_jesus | Old_Fogie: it's probably not a bug |
| 05:14.34 | Old_Fogie | infernal_jesus, basically this is my reader i'm talking about : http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Item(1145)-SDDR-89-A15-SanDisk_ImageMate_12in1_ReaderWriter.aspx |
| 05:14.51 | Old_Fogie | tho mine is 4 in1 |
| 05:15.31 | stew | Old_Fogie: the problem is the debian (or the boot loader (i.e. grub or lilo)) is unable to boot? or debian starts, then hangs during the boot process? |
| 05:15.36 | infernal_jesus | Old_Fogie: hm.. sorry =/ never had a card reader, so never encountered a problem like this |
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| 05:16.19 | Old_Fogie | StereoSkit, I'm using lenny's grub. it's in the boot record, one parrallel ata drive. hda1=win xp hda5 slackware hda6 etch hda7 lenny hda8 home. |
| 05:16.32 | Old_Fogie | oops stew thatabove |
| 05:16.33 | Old_Fogie | :D |
| 05:17.00 | stew | Old_Fogie: does grub come up? does linux boot and then hang? or does it never get that far? |
| 05:17.03 | Old_Fogie | I get grub fine, I boot into lenny |
| 05:17.10 | Old_Fogie | i can see all my other os's fine |
| 05:17.33 | Old_Fogie | lenny boots fine, then sees the card reader and just waits for ever, as if it wants me to put a memory card in there |
| 05:17.55 | Old_Fogie | it does not die tho, ctrl alt del reboots lenny |
| 05:18.22 | Old_Fogie | I think lenny needs a wait time statement or something, like if no disk in card reader after 10 just boot on |
| 05:18.38 | stew | Old_Fogie: what is on the screen when it is waiting? |
| 05:18.38 | Old_Fogie | if i physically remove the 4 in 1 card reader lenny boots fine |
| 05:19.19 | Old_Fogie | Let me reboot and write it down to be truly accurate. |
| 05:19.48 | Old_Fogie | stew I'll be back in few min. |
| 05:19.50 | stew | Old_Fogie: and what kernel version is this? |
| 05:19.54 | Old_Fogie | stew the stock kernel |
| 05:20.02 | stew | Old_Fogie: which version of the stock kernel? |
| 05:20.03 | Old_Fogie | stew i installed off the lenny net install cd |
| 05:20.30 | Old_Fogie | stew 2.6.22-3-486 (which had an update after install overwrote same version) |
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| 05:21.43 | Old_Fogie | stew it's an amd 2500 barton on an asus nforce 2 motherboard, 1 gig of ram, usb 2.0 |
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| 05:27.07 | Old_Fogie | stew, not sure if this would matter, but the way I installed was used the net-install cd, minimal option, then added gdm, xorg, xfce4 and the other apps I need from cli. I could not get the xfce lenny spin cd to boot in any of four pc (with 3 different discs) and sha1sums were gpg verified and hashes were good for that cd. could something scsi related not have been caught by aptitude to come down maybe? |
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| 05:29.38 | stew | Old_Fogie: i doubt it matters. lenny cd's are expected to be broken often. you shouldn't need any scsi related packages for your debian to boot with or without a card reader installed |
| 05:30.16 | Old_Fogie | stew ok, well I'll reboot the pc now, i'm on this box, plug in the card and write down what console is saying when it sits and waits. |
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| 05:30.19 | Old_Fogie | bb in a few. |
| 05:30.32 | stew | !bootlog |
| 05:30.32 | dpkg | it has been said that bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
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| 05:32.15 | Old_Fogie | stew mine was "No" there so I just changed it :D |
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| 05:32.52 | basanta | I need to reboot my system to take effect of the partition created by cfdisk, is there any way so that i don't have to boot ? |
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| 05:34.04 | stew | basanta: you shouldn't have to reboot |
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| 05:38.13 | basanta | stew, its true |
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| 05:39.18 | basanta | stew, its can't generate /dev/hdx without rebooting |
| 05:40.18 | stew | basanta: does the partition show up when you run "fdisk -l" ? |
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| 05:40.37 | stew | basanta: does '/etc/init.d/udev restart' make the /dev entry appear? |
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| 05:41.17 | basanta | stew, not exactly sure I will have to check |
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| 05:42.45 | Old_Fogie | stew, guess what? now it works ! :D I'm confused, but not complaining. Maybe because when I had it installed lenny, the card reader was plugged in, but a after the few reboots that I've done since installing with the card reader out, eh, I dunno. |
| 05:43.04 | reza_20 | hi pussy |
| 05:43.13 | Old_Fogie | stew, I think I may partimage this partition, and reinstall again just to see if I'm nuts or not heh. |
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| 05:44.02 | stew | reza_20: do you have a debian realated quesiton? |
| 05:44.26 | reza_20 | go hence |
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| 05:44.51 | Old_Fogie | where do those people come from! Good Lord. |
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| 05:46.44 | basanta | stew, hey fdisk -l does show the new partition but restarting udev is also unable to create /dev/hdx |
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| 05:49.21 | stew | basanta: dunno. anything interesting in syslog or dmesg? |
| 05:50.04 | Old_Fogie | basanta, I've had that happen too and rebooting was the only thing that worked, especially if the partition is before "/" this happens on slackware too for me. |
| 05:50.30 | Old_Fogie | basanta, trying cfdisk also same result. |
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| 05:50.43 | amd | hello |
| 05:50.54 | amd | when i try to install debian it says it can't detect my hard drive |
| 05:50.58 | amd | i got sata in my laptop |
| 05:51.07 | amd | intel c2d cpu |
| 05:51.10 | amd | what should i do |
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| 05:53.34 | stew | amd: likely your sata controller is too new to be recognized by the kernel in stable. there are unofficial installers with newer kernels available: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 05:54.13 | amd | stew, with stable kernels though? |
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| 05:54.25 | stew | amd: what do you mean by stable? |
| 05:54.44 | basanta | stew, nothing interesting |
| 05:54.57 | basanta | Old_Fogie, humm |
| 05:55.14 | amd | stew, you said "with newer kernels" did you mean unstable? |
| 05:55.31 | Old_Fogie | basanta, yeah restarting udev doesnt seem to do the trick anymore in the later udev versions, dunno why, it used to. |
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| 05:55.54 | Old_Fogie | basanta, I even tried restarting hal daemon after udev no luck |
| 05:56.01 | basanta | Old_Fogie, I can ask the user to reboot cause cfdisk is called in the middle of the installer, |
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| 05:56.12 | basanta | Old_Fogie, ok |
| 05:57.10 | stew | amd: with kernels backported from debian unstable |
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| 05:59.04 | stew | basanta: oh, which installer? |
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| 05:59.51 | basanta | Old_Fogie, however one another partitioner gparted seems to be able to do it without restart |
| 05:59.51 | basanta | stew, it looks like its cfdisk bug |
| 05:59.54 | basanta | stew, Old_Fogie gparted |
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| 06:00.11 | stew | basanta: how do you figure? |
| 06:00.46 | basanta | stew, Old_Fogie just a partition er |
| 06:00.50 | Old_Fogie | basanta, a gparted live cd or gparted app on a debian install? |
| 06:00.59 | basanta | stew, well it created /dev/hdx and I can go ahead and install |
| 06:01.14 | Marupa | Hi, very odd question. I'm on debian etch, and whenever i screen in, whenever I hit backspace whenever there's nothing left to backspace I get a ctrl+g character showing up. |
| 06:01.14 | stew | basanta: what makes you think this is a cfdisk bug? |
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| 06:01.46 | stew | Marupa: its an odd question in that its not actually a quesiton. |
| 06:02.13 | Marupa | Nevermind...I figured it out. I had exported the shell to screen so it was acting as if it was a screen in a screen. |
| 06:02.47 | basanta | stew, just an obvious guess |
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| 06:03.12 | Old_Fogie | basanta, do you have any windows fat/ntfs partitions on there, for me if those partitions exist, i find I need to reboot more likely than if a system with only gnu/lin file systems. |
| 06:04.08 | stew | basanta: it seems like cfdisk is doing its job fine. it seems like the problem is with the kernel or udev |
| 06:04.19 | stew | basanta: is this an etch installer? |
| 06:04.21 | Old_Fogie | basanta, it could be an oddball hard drive too, that's not reporting it's partition table correctly. |
| 06:04.30 | stew | Old_Fogie: it is. he checked it |
| 06:04.33 | basanta | Old_Fogie, no there is no windows partition |
| 06:04.36 | stew | Old_Fogie: reporting correctly that is |
| 06:04.41 | Old_Fogie | ah |
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| 06:07.14 | basanta | stew, ok |
| 06:07.14 | basanta | stew, its morphixinstaller |
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| 06:07.28 | stew | basanta: you are on the wrong channel |
| 06:07.42 | Old_Fogie | head-desk |
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| 06:08.36 | basanta | stew, I am talking about any installer here I am just talking about the partitioner |
| 06:09.00 | basanta | stew, I am not talking about installer, |
| 06:09.14 | stew | basanta: please talk about it in #morphix, not here |
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| 06:10.10 | basanta | stew, its not morphix I am talking about |
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| 06:10.13 | basanta | stew, its cfdisk |
| 06:10.29 | simonrvn | ... |
| 06:10.56 | stew | basanta: its not debian you are talking about. i don't know if there is a cfdisk specific channel. perhaps ##linux as this sounds like you have a kernel problem. whatever it is, it has nothing to do with debian |
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| 06:12.17 | DoDaT69 | anyone use the supermicro usas s8ir card in here? |
| 06:12.29 | DoDaT69 | having a hell of a time getting the driver for the card to recognize on install |
| 06:12.50 | basanta | stew, for your kind info. it doesn't look like udev or kernel bug cause gparted is able to do it in the same kernel without reboot |
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| 06:14.19 | basanta | stew, how can you be so sure it has nothing to do with debian |
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| 06:14.58 | stew | basanta: because you aren't using debian. please, ask in #morphix. this channel is strictly for support of debian, and the topic of the channel is not up for negotiation, so please drop it |
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| 06:17.00 | DoDaT69 | anyone use the supermicro usas s8ir card in here? |
| 06:17.22 | basanta | stew, yes I am using debian and I have been the die hard supporter/promoter of debian for last 4 years |
| 06:17.27 | DoDaT69 | or have any tricks to get the needed stuff out of the rpm |
| 06:17.41 | stew | basanta: you said you were using a mophix installer, not debian |
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| 06:20.24 | basanta | stew, ok sir as you wish. |
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| 06:21.50 | simonrvn | DoDaT69: alien the rpm |
| 06:22.05 | simonrvn | i.e. run it through alien |
| 06:23.14 | simonrvn | meh. i think i'll order a static ip for the ppp, this is getting silly... at least aol isn't dropping my mail anymore |
| 06:23.16 | xiambax | Stew are you there? |
| 06:24.27 | stew | DoDaT69: if you need the driver during the install, you may need to build a custon d-i cd: /msg dpkg custom d-i ; perhaps a installer with a newer kernel would support card: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 06:25.07 | simonrvn | probably a better idea ^^^ |
| 06:26.24 | xiambax | Stew, I got the module installed by when i use the gnome it doesnt give me the option to use wpa |
| 06:27.18 | stew | xiambax: i don't know much about gnome. are you trying to use nm-applet? |
| 06:27.29 | xiambax | Correct |
| 06:27.42 | xiambax | im trying something now, i may have gotten it to work, i shall see |
| 06:28.02 | xiambax | I just changed my default gateway device and its taking forever to figure out what its doing |
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| 06:30.03 | stew | xiambax: so nm-applet will let you configure your wireless card, but won't let you use wpa? |
| 06:30.06 | echo-area | hello |
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| 06:30.25 | echo-area | is it possible to find which packages depend on a specific package? |
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| 06:30.38 | stew | echo-area: apt-cache rdepends packagename |
| 06:30.50 | xiambax | correct stew, it just says enter wep key |
| 06:30.59 | simonrvn | ick |
| 06:31.11 | xiambax | I can see a list of networks though |
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| 06:31.16 | echo-area | stew: yes, it works. thank you! |
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| 06:31.33 | DoDaT69 | thanks for the advice ;) |
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| 06:31.38 | DoDaT69 | always appreciated! |
| 06:31.41 | stew | xiambax: i would expect it to do that when you are trying to connect to an ap using WEP instead of WPA, are you sure that the AP you are trying to connect to is WPA protected and not WEP? |
| 06:31.59 | distatica | What is the default system for mail that's on a debian etch system? I'd like to know the name so I can learn more about it. For instance when you login and it says you have new mail.. that system. |
| 06:32.16 | xiambax | Yes im sure |
| 06:32.19 | vn | ehm, I'm trying to boot on my linux after my install and it doesn't and the bios doesn't allow me to boot on the IDE...so I would like to know how to know where the MBR has been installed during the install (on which device) and if it's possible to install it on another device if so, how...thanks |
| 06:32.25 | vn | (on etch) |
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| 06:32.41 | simonrvn | distatica: pam_mail.so |
| 06:32.59 | JustSoul | morning. I mount samba-share. When from KDE 3.5.5 I create/edit .desktop file (change dir icon, create url), kde create *.lock file and hang. How can I fix it? |
| 06:33.01 | simonrvn | i.e., it's a PAM module |
| 06:33.39 | simonrvn | default it checks the user's /var/mail/$user file |
| 06:34.09 | distatica | Oh ok, weird, I'm just trying to figure out how to link it into my gmail account, through IMAP I imagine. |
| 06:34.38 | distatica | I guess I should have been more clear, the information I'm finding with pam_mail.so seems a lot more in depth than I'm looking for |
| 06:35.08 | stew | xiambax: what version of network-manager-gnome is installed? |
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| 06:37.45 | xiambax | how do i find version |
| 06:37.58 | simonrvn | dpkg -l foo |
| 06:37.58 | dpkg | No packages found matching foo |
| 06:38.12 | simonrvn | dpkg: i didn't ask you |
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| 06:39.02 | xiambax | ii network-manage 0.6.4-6 network management framework daemon |
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| 06:54.05 | JustSoul | morning. I mount samba-share. When from KDE 3.5.5 I create/edit .desktop file (change dir icon, create url), kde create *.lock file and hang. How can I fix it? |
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| 07:16.47 | monkey__ | Hello guys, I have a serious dpkg problem with Debian Etch. I can't remove (or reinstall or upgrade) package fail2ban. The problem seems to be that I have python2.5 installed as well. The message: INFO: using unsupported version '/usr/bin/python2.5' is the best clue to the problem. I have tried removing python2.5 (failed), changing sym-link /usr/bin/python to python2.4 (no success). Anyone has a clue? |
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| 07:22.28 | prolix | i just finished a minimal install of debian and i was wondering how i would adjust the screen resolution? |
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| 07:23.52 | prolix | yeah, nevermind |
| 07:24.03 | xiambax | can someone for the life of god help me |
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| 07:24.10 | xiambax | I still cant get this frickin wifi card to work |
| 07:24.15 | xiambax | its detecting networks now though |
| 07:24.47 | liable | which card, what are you trying to make it associate? |
| 07:25.02 | xiambax | Ra2561 |
| 07:25.29 | xiambax | have it working and showing networks but doesnt allow me to use wpa as an encryption type |
| 07:25.48 | liable | are you using NM? |
| 07:26.01 | xiambax | yes |
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| 07:26.07 | liable | is it a b/g card? |
| 07:26.11 | xiambax | yes |
| 07:26.29 | liable | xiambax: try it with wpasupplicant directly |
| 07:26.58 | xiambax | how do i go about that? sorry im new to deb |
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| 07:27.35 | liable | xiambax: check out the docs in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant they have all the examples you need to make a config |
| 07:27.48 | xiambax | i made one already |
| 07:27.52 | liable | xiambax: then run it from the command line and see what scrolls by |
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| 07:28.29 | liable | wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0 |
| 07:29.01 | liable | make sure nm-applet is dead first |
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| 07:32.16 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:32.32 | xiambax | shit i would give ssh access to someone, im getting frustraited |
| 07:32.46 | dimir | wow! |
| 07:32.50 | dimir | free shells! |
| 07:32.53 | dimir | gimme! gimme! |
| 07:33.09 | liable | hah |
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| 07:35.18 | xiambax | Im about ready to give up on this for today |
| 07:37.58 | liable | did you try wpasupp on the cl? |
| 07:38.08 | liable | what output did it give? |
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| 07:40.13 | xiambax | what was the command again? |
| 07:40.19 | liable | scroll up |
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| 07:40.25 | xiambax | i cant |
| 07:40.33 | liable | why not? |
| 07:40.39 | xiambax | irssi on macosx |
| 07:40.41 | xiambax | its weird |
| 07:40.55 | liable | doesnt scroll? hit pgup |
| 07:41.29 | suwro | hello - I am having problems with mysql - the server starts, the client when I call it dump an err like: can't connect to local ... trough /tmp/mysql.sock - but the server's socket is in /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
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| 07:41.41 | suwro | mysql --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock works correctly |
| 07:42.06 | suwro | I noticed this yesterday. |
| 07:42.15 | stew | suwro: what version of debian are you running? |
| 07:42.23 | stew | xiambax: /lastlog liable |
| 07:42.24 | suwro | lenny |
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| 07:42.31 | stew | suwro: what does "which mysql" say? |
| 07:42.46 | suwro | /usr/bin/mysql |
| 07:43.00 | xiambax | http://paste.debian.net/51433 |
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| 07:43.16 | stew | suwro: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 07:43.19 | suwro | stew: i think mysql client is not reading /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 07:43.48 | liable | xiambax: ifconfig ra0 up |
| 07:43.56 | liable | then restart wpasupp |
| 07:44.25 | xiambax | same issue |
| 07:44.32 | liable | network is down? |
| 07:44.33 | stew | hostap? |
| 07:44.45 | xiambax | yup |
| 07:44.56 | liable | xiambax: does it show in ifconfig? |
| 07:45.08 | xiambax | yup |
| 07:45.13 | liable | did you kill nm-applet? or just disable wireless with it? |
| 07:45.16 | xiambax | only has an inet6 address though |
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| 07:45.31 | stew | suwro: strace would verify that |
| 07:45.46 | liable | xiambax: pkill nm-applet; reload module; ifconfig ra0 up; retry wpasupp |
| 07:45.48 | xiambax | wireless shows up in nw-applet |
| 07:45.50 | xiambax | do i have to kill it |
| 07:46.47 | suwro | http://paste.lisp.org/display/57638 |
| 07:46.50 | stew | xiambax: which driver are you trying to use with this card? |
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| 07:47.04 | xiambax | the right now, its working so far |
| 07:47.07 | xiambax | i can see networks |
| 07:47.10 | xiambax | just not connect to them |
| 07:47.42 | liable | NM doesn't play with all drivers nicely. |
| 07:47.56 | suwro | I wonder why mysql client is looking in /tmp |
| 07:47.57 | xiambax | oh sweet |
| 07:48.05 | xiambax | now its not even showing up in nm-applet |
| 07:48.08 | liable | so eliminate one layer of complexity |
| 07:48.40 | suwro | stew: ?? any clue? |
| 07:48.48 | xiambax | ifconfig doesnt even see it now |
| 07:49.05 | xiambax | now its up |
| 07:49.06 | xiambax | nm |
| 07:49.15 | stew | suwro: i'd use strace to see what files it is opening |
| 07:49.25 | stew | xiambax: which driver are you using? |
| 07:49.37 | xiambax | the one you told me to install |
| 07:49.42 | xiambax | how can i tell which one it is? |
| 07:49.48 | stew | xiambax: i told you to install a driver? |
| 07:49.56 | xiambax | i was in here a few hours ago |
| 07:50.30 | xiambax | rt61 218340 1 |
| 07:51.09 | stew | xiambax: are there hostap modules loaded? |
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| 07:51.22 | xiambax | how can i tell? |
| 07:51.24 | stew | i'm confused about why wpasupplicant would be mentioning hostapd |
| 07:51.28 | stew | xiambax: with lsmod |
| 07:51.34 | {Phoinix} | Hi, How can I get the information tha Synaptics produces, when a package is updated using the non graphical tool, APT. Tryied apt-cache policy and apt-cache show... didnt work |
| 07:51.50 | xiambax | rt61 218340 1 |
| 07:51.54 | xiambax | is what shows up |
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| 07:52.43 | icesword | ! tell icesword about sources |
| 07:53.31 | icesword | !find security |
| 07:53.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'security' (6 of 54): (/usr/lib/wine/security.dll.so) in libs/libwine ;; (/usr/lib/wmbiff/security.debian.rb) in x11/wmbiff ;; (/usr/include/ntfs/security.h) in libdevel/libntfs-dev ;; (/usr/include/gsnmp/security.h) in devel/libgsnmp0-dev ;; (/usr/include/libxslt/security.h) in libdevel/libxslt1-dev ;; (/usr/include/osp/ospsecurity.h) in libdevel/libosptk3-dev. |
| 07:53.45 | stew | icesword: please /msg the bot |
| 07:53.53 | icesword | ok |
| 07:54.15 | monkey__ | apt-cache show <package-name> should work? or what kind of information are you looking for? |
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| 07:54.33 | {Phoinix} | monkey__, i want the DIFF, what has changed.. especially security changes |
| 07:54.40 | {Phoinix} | Synaptics produces that information |
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| 07:54.53 | {Phoinix} | is this possible? |
| 07:55.02 | icesword | i have decided to try sid,don't know how to set that secutity.debian.org testing ,something like that |
| 07:55.20 | liable | {Phoinix}: aptitude changelog <package> ?? |
| 07:55.36 | stew | {Phoinix}: "apt-get -s upgrade" would tell you what could be upgraded. if you are interested in seeing what packages have had security updates, http://security.debian.org will give you a list |
| 07:55.47 | {Phoinix} | liable, that's it! |
| 07:55.49 | {Phoinix} | :) |
| 07:55.59 | {Phoinix} | thanks * |
| 07:56.09 | liable | np |
| 07:56.11 | stew | {Phoinix}: note that sid doesn't get security support |
| 07:56.23 | liable | itym icesword |
| 07:56.33 | icesword | hmm? |
| 07:56.35 | stew | doh |
| 07:56.35 | {Phoinix} | Stew i know :) thanks |
| 07:56.35 | xiambax | eugh |
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| 07:56.39 | xiambax | I wants to die. |
| 07:56.50 | xiambax | Stew, can i give you an ssh tunnel in? |
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| 07:57.13 | liable | xiambax: thats a really really really bad idea. |
| 07:57.19 | ricosecada | Hi, I get the error: "no such device" when trying to bring up eth0. I have checked the modules and e100 is loaded. eth0 is listed in /network/interfaces. I have an identical pc and I have no problems with that. How do I proceed? |
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| 07:57.27 | stew | xiambax: that's a bad idea, and I don't work cheaply |
| 07:57.30 | xiambax | liable, worst comes to worst i will put mandriva back on it |
| 07:57.39 | xiambax | Fair enough |
| 07:57.47 | JustSoul | When from KDE 3.5.5 I create/edit ***.desktop file (change dir icon, create url) on samba-share, kde create ***.desktop.lock file and hang. How can I fix it? |
| 07:57.53 | ricosecada | when I use ifconfig, nothing but lo gets listed |
| 07:57.57 | phw | Tiny question: how can i uninstall a package that depends on others (i want to uninstall these too)? (i want to get rid of xorg) |
| 07:58.05 | stew | ricosecada: try "ifconfig -a" |
| 07:58.09 | liable | xiambax: have you even tried what i asked to try? |
| 07:58.26 | stew | phw: aptitude remove packagename |
| 07:58.46 | phw | that also takes care of dependencies? thank you! |
| 07:59.00 | ricosecada | stew, of course, why didn't I think of that!? How do I make eth2 become eth0 since there is only one card in the machine. |
| 07:59.00 | xiambax | shutting down nm-applet and ifup ra0 then doing the wpa thingy? |
| 07:59.06 | xiambax | yes i did it, issue replicates |
| 07:59.23 | suwro | quit |
| 07:59.25 | suwro | oop |
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| 07:59.31 | stew | phw: it depends on how they were installed, if they were installed with aptitude defiately. if they were installed with apt-get, maybe. for xorg: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 07:59.42 | stew | ricosecada: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 07:59.48 | stew | xiambax: are any hostap modules loaded? |
| 07:59.57 | xiambax | yes |
| 07:59.59 | ricosecada | thanks, stew |
| 08:00.14 | xiambax | wait |
| 08:00.28 | stew | xiambax: try removing those, and the rt61 module and then try loading the rt61 module again |
| 08:00.31 | xiambax | by hostap you mean the rt61 |
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| 08:00.35 | stew | no |
| 08:01.12 | stew | xiambax: i mean hostap or hostap_cs or hostap_pci |
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| 08:01.57 | xiambax | I dont see it listed when i lsmod |
| 08:02.26 | stew | xiambax: try "/etc/init.d/hostapd stop" then try wpasupplicant again |
| 08:02.44 | fireba11 | crap .. just tried to install etch netinstall on a new box and it doesn't seem to detect the sata dvd-r i'm trying to install from. any ideas ? |
| 08:02.58 | xiambax | no such file |
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| 08:03.24 | liable | are you sure nm-applet is stopped? |
| 08:03.35 | liable | ps aux|grep nm-applet |
| 08:03.49 | xiambax | yup |
| 08:03.50 | stew | xiambax: try "/etc/init.d/network-manager stop" and try wpasupplicant again |
| 08:04.19 | xiambax | no file |
| 08:04.27 | stew | xiambax: what do you mean by "no file"? |
| 08:04.32 | xiambax | no such file |
| 08:05.03 | stew | no idea. i've never tried to use nm under etch |
| 08:05.10 | liable | fireba11: try from a usb key? |
| 08:05.24 | liable | fireba11: or a kmuto installer. |
| 08:05.46 | liable | likely your sata hard drive isnt supported either i would imagine |
| 08:06.02 | fireba11 | liable: i'm afraid that might be true |
| 08:06.09 | fireba11 | what's kmuto installer ? |
| 08:06.15 | liable | !kmuto |
| 08:06.15 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 08:08.14 | fireba11 | liable : thanks, will give it a try .. *hopes it will just work (tm)* |
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| 08:11.35 | fireba11 | liable : didn't notice those boards got the new nForce 630a chipset when ordering those 3 boxes :-( |
| 08:12.14 | liable | fireba11: bummer |
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| 08:13.32 | fireba11 | though i'll have to say i didn't have such a problem for quite a while now |
| 08:14.56 | liable | was lucky. knew he had an unsupported mobo on old box. installed a lenny kernel, swapped out, and it all worked o/ |
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| 08:16.14 | ais_ | is there anybody that have tryed Fetchmail?? |
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| 08:18.24 | prolix | the configuration editor is a nice tool |
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| 08:18.34 | extor | Does straight rum leave a bitter aftertaste in the mouth? Like quinine almost? Anyone tried it? |
| 08:18.36 | extor | Refering to debian rum. of course |
| 08:19.33 | liable | heh |
| 08:19.36 | vanksi | has anyone ran in to a script that syncs time between two machines over ssh? |
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| 08:19.54 | vanksi | or is ti possible to use ssh tunnel or something with ntp |
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| 08:21.28 | ricosecada | Does logwatch needs to be run from a crontab job once it is setup? |
| 08:21.31 | Guerin | what on earth would be the point? |
| 08:21.40 | Guerin | but yes, you can tunnel anything over a ssh tunnel |
| 08:21.49 | fireba11 | liable : jup, newest with 2.6.24 works *phew* |
| 08:22.05 | liable | ricosecada: iirc you just edit the conf file, it adds one in cron.daily |
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| 08:22.20 | ricosecada | liable, thanks |
| 08:22.27 | liable | fireba11: try the 22, as the 24 wont make lenny |
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| 08:22.43 | fireba11 | liable : ow, thanks for the tip |
| 08:23.15 | liable | np |
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| 08:23.16 | fireba11 | liable: there is no .22 only .21 and .23 ... i take it .21 would be better then |
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| 08:23.47 | prolix | vanksi: why wouldn't you use an ntp server? |
| 08:23.56 | liable | fireba11: if it works with 21, you can always get the 22 from testing security |
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| 08:24.16 | liable | fireba11: if it works with 22 at all, you can always do that anyway i guess |
| 08:24.36 | liable | even if you install with the 24 |
| 08:24.39 | vanksi | prolix, because of too tight firewalling |
| 08:24.51 | fireba11 | liable: it's a box for developing that will run vmware, it won't be accessible from the net, so it's not that important but i'll still try :-) |
| 08:24.51 | icesword | !rename |
| 08:25.03 | ricosecada | liable, so it should appear in crontab -l? |
| 08:25.03 | icesword | oh,sorry,wrong chan |
| 08:25.16 | Guerin | vanksi: your network admin is the lose |
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| 08:25.18 | liable | ricosecada: ls /etc/cron.daily |
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| 08:26.16 | prolix | vanksi: something doesn't smell right |
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| 08:26.22 | liable | fireba11: you never know when that dev box will turn into your mail server ;) |
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| 08:26.43 | daya | I made partition with cfdisk , but I have to reboot the system to use it, is there is any method to use it, w/o reboot |
| 08:26.44 | ais_ | Anybody that can help me with fetchmail? |
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| 08:27.00 | ricosecada | liable, if you don't mind me asking, where did you know this from? I have google for hours, but could not find the info. |
| 08:27.37 | liable | ricosecada: dunno, i have logwatch and i dont recall ever having to screw with crontab :) |
| 08:27.54 | ricosecada | liable, thanks! :-) |
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| 08:29.11 | Osx86 | hi |
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| 08:29.18 | fireba11 | liable: a mailserver with 8 GB ram would be a bit overkill :-) |
| 08:29.55 | error404 | does someone want to help me tackle a strange nic problem? |
| 08:30.11 | error404 | all of a sudden i have a box that has decided eth0 should be called eth1 |
| 08:30.23 | error404 | with no evidence of an actual other eth0 in existence |
| 08:30.27 | Guerin | error404: use ifrename -> problem solved |
| 08:30.29 | liable | error404: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 08:30.59 | liable | you can just delete that file and reload the module, should fix it. have a read of it first |
| 08:31.03 | error404 | well geeze, why didn't i come here an hour a go :P |
| 08:31.06 | error404 | thx |
| 08:32.02 | liable | Guerin: thats olde skool! |
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| 08:32.51 | ricosecada | When I use "man" I am unable to scroll and must use the "enter" key to scroll down, is there a way to change that? |
| 08:33.01 | liable | install 'less' |
| 08:33.42 | ricosecada | thanks |
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| 08:33.57 | fireba11 | liable : nope, 2.6.21 won't do .. ah well |
| 08:34.05 | liable | oh well |
| 08:34.12 | prolix | vanksi: cute |
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| 08:34.23 | fireba11 | was worth a try |
| 08:34.34 | liable | 22 may still work |
| 08:35.43 | fireba11 | i don't have an installer with .22 though :-) |
| 08:36.08 | liable | ya, but you can use the 24 installer, and install a 22 kernel after and see if it boots |
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| 08:36.50 | fireba11 | true |
| 08:36.54 | fireba11 | will do |
| 08:37.04 | jetscreamer | so the drawback of having a 'rootless' system is: <ubuntu user person> I accidently used all my disk space up and now Ubuntu won't let me login. What do I do, please. |
| 08:37.27 | liable | heh |
| 08:37.50 | liable | how does single user mode work in ubuntu? |
| 08:38.15 | jetscreamer | autologin for root maybe |
| 08:38.18 | liable | i guess they can always do the ifrp |
| 08:38.19 | jetscreamer | the cd does it |
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| 08:38.52 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 08:39.22 | jetscreamer | i thought about telling him but |
| 08:39.31 | perfector | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:40.14 | liable | samba is horrible to debug. ten problems have the same error message |
| 08:40.29 | liable | though its been a couple of years since i used it |
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| 08:43.58 | Vladimir | hello, can someone help me with new codeblocks? i dled packaged, uncompressed, but cant install any .deb packaged because some libwxd is missing, to install that or? |
| 08:44.26 | Guerin | Vladimir: don't install custom software. install debian packages. |
| 08:44.47 | Vladimir | Guerin: after uncompressing, there are deb packages |
| 08:45.14 | Guerin | Vladimir: they're not from debian, ergo, not debian packages. |
| 08:45.28 | Guerin | Vladimir: if they don't work,. complain to the person who made them. |
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| 08:49.50 | vanksi | hmm, does ntp actually need the port 123 open inbound? |
| 08:50.19 | vanksi | since i seem to be able to transmit, but not receive |
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| 08:52.10 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 08:53.55 | maligor | is there some way to search for leftover configuration files? |
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| 08:55.55 | maligor | rc flag in dpkg? |
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| 08:57.45 | liable | removed configs remain |
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| 08:58.51 | maligor | ah, yes, thanks, so it was it |
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| 09:07.58 | icesword | if exist #samba,echo ~ |
| 09:08.55 | icesword | ! echo yes |
| 09:08.55 | dpkg | yes |
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| 09:16.32 | sauvin | ! echo maybe |
| 09:16.32 | dpkg | maybe |
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| 09:17.25 | icesword | sauvin, maybe what? |
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| 09:23.03 | suwro | what the heck is this ? sftp error: Warning: child process (/usr/local/bin/ssh2) exited with code 255 |
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| 09:23.36 | SlayerXP | suwro: it's what we technical types refer to as "an error message" |
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| 09:23.51 | suwro | i figured out that lenny got a mess - like ubuntu |
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| 09:24.20 | suwro | wtf... i am pissed off now - my desktop is a mess - no more mysql client working, sftp bring errors - what the heck. |
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| 09:25.39 | jelly-home | having locally built binaries link against system libraries can be fun. suwro, why do you have your own ssh? |
| 09:26.09 | SlayerXP | jelly-home: well spotted |
| 09:26.20 | SlayerXP | suwro: why do you have your own ssh? |
| 09:26.38 | suwro | i need to transfer also files |
| 09:26.45 | suwro | from me to server and back |
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| 09:27.05 | jelly-home | debian has perfectly good openssh packages |
| 09:27.26 | suwro | jelly-home: I can't agree that - sftp is complaining now... |
| 09:27.36 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 09:27.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:27.59 | suwro | jelly-home: read a few lines above |
| 09:28.04 | epsilon | suwro: possible the sshd is only listning on ipv6? |
| 09:28.16 | suwro | epsilon: good one - let me ck. |
| 09:28.50 | jelly-home | suwro: /usr/local/bin/ssh2 is NOT part of Debian |
| 09:29.10 | suwro | jelly-home: go home man - you-re obsolete by the situation. |
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| 09:29.44 | suwro | jelly-home: my problem is with sftp, who used to work correctly, and now is complaining about ssh2 |
| 09:30.02 | epsilon | ah read the backlog, which binary are you executing? |
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| 09:30.23 | suwro | jelly-home: i have openssh installed server/client |
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| 09:31.23 | suwro | epsilon: sudently i have /etc/ssh and /etc/ssh2 where to look - let me dpkg -P first... |
| 09:31.36 | jelly-home | suwro: if you want help, provide complete command line and output, and versions of relevant packages. |
| 09:31.38 | jmd | So all of a sudden, lenny isn't mounting its nfs mounts at boot up. Why is this? |
| 09:32.06 | suwro | jelly-home: if you give half help and just pointing - better keep your pointers in the pocket. |
| 09:32.22 | suwro | jelly-home: and please don't read tru lines. |
| 09:33.10 | jelly-home | I've read all of your backlog and know why I'm asking those questions. Have fun solving your problem with that attitude. |
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| 09:33.44 | epsilon | suwro: sounds like something is messed up, like self-compiled binaries or alien packages |
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| 09:33.54 | suwro | jelly-home: this are the words of a man who's trying to fix things since this morning - due last damn update - I just dropped a few ubuntu based on wrecked config. - now my desktop goes boom |
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| 09:34.29 | kwijibo432312 | hello world! i need help - i cant login to my username |
| 09:34.37 | suwro | epsilon: last install was last month - due amd64 frustration - i'm on arch32 now... and have no alien packages - only pure deb. |
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| 09:35.06 | suwro | Kwitschibo: do you still have your debian boot cd? |
| 09:35.20 | jelly-home | where "pure" apparently means "a couple packages from another distro" |
| 09:35.23 | kwijibo432312 | my debian installer? yes |
| 09:35.30 | suwro | jelly-home: nope... |
| 09:35.58 | suwro | Kwitschibo: boot from deb install cd, with rescue option |
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| 09:36.12 | suwro | edit /etc/shadow and you-re done |
| 09:36.25 | kwijibo432312 | what should i put? |
| 09:36.37 | suwro | when prompted on boot - type rescue |
| 09:36.42 | jelly-home | suwro: sorry, I must have misunderstood that " I just dropped a few ubuntu based on wrecked config." line |
| 09:36.53 | suwro | jelly-home: other desktops |
| 09:37.05 | epsilon | suwro: clean installation should only contain files listend in "dpkg -L openssh-client" and openssh-server |
| 09:37.16 | kwijibo432312 | suwro: i edit /etc/shadow and put what? |
| 09:37.27 | suwro | jelly-home: what I want to say - I just re-installed debian etch over damn ubuntu. |
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| 09:38.18 | epsilon | kwijibo432312: did you add the user per command line? |
| 09:39.02 | kwijibo432312 | epsilon: no sir - it has been my user name ever since I installed debian - a few days ago. the password apparently changed |
| 09:39.03 | jmd | Why don't nfs filesystems get mounted at boot time anymore? |
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| 09:39.43 | kwijibo432312 | epsilon: i can log in as root but only in the terminal - with no gui |
| 09:39.43 | epsilon | kwijibo432312: are you root of the system and it's not compromised? |
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| 09:40.00 | epsilon | cause the password doesn't change from itself |
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| 09:40.12 | kwijibo432312 | epsilon: i am root - i suspect that may be the case - roots passwd has not changed |
| 09:40.27 | suwro | kwijibo432312: then login as root and type password username to change your pass. |
| 09:40.38 | epsilon | anyway to change the user password, "su <username>", "passwd" |
| 09:40.57 | kwijibo432312 | epsilon: and suwro: thanks |
| 09:41.15 | suwro | kwijibo432312: i tought you can't even root ;) |
| 09:41.29 | kwijibo432312 | epsilon: and suwro: ill brb - if you are interested in my situation see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=136757#136757 |
| 09:41.49 | kwijibo432312 | thanks brb |
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| 09:43.35 | suwro | haha : "I can login to root at bootup - but only in terminal mode - after that i just see the "Debian #" prompt - no GUI " I wonder what does this mean? he didn't heard about ctrl+alt+F<x> key? |
| 09:46.16 | suwro | aha |
| 09:46.30 | suwro | just purget openssh-client |
| 09:46.50 | suwro | force - reinstall complains about : libcurl3: Depends: libssh2-1 but it is not going to be installed |
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| 09:46.57 | jmd | Why have they deleted nfs-client ? |
| 09:47.15 | suwro | jmd: install it manually - not everybody's using nfs. |
| 09:47.34 | jmd | It no longer exists. |
| 09:47.39 | liable | jmd: in lenny? |
| 09:47.47 | jmd | That's right. |
| 09:47.52 | suwro | jmd: in those days - when we have linux/win box on the same intranet samba is more appropiate to use than nfs. |
| 09:48.19 | jmd | suwro, You must be joking. |
| 09:48.23 | liable | !why is nfs-client not in testing |
| 09:48.24 | dpkg | nfs-client is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nfs-client |
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| 09:48.53 | suwro | jmd: nope... do you know any open free nfs client on windows? - I don't |
| 09:49.01 | prolix | hello |
| 09:49.34 | liable | jmd: nfs-utils.. |
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| 09:49.55 | fireba11 | liable : naturally now i'm searching for the kernel headers for that 2.6.24 to compile vmware :-D |
| 09:50.07 | jmd | suwro, I've never used windows, so no, I don't know. |
| 09:50.07 | suwro | jmd: dpkg -l nfs* |
| 09:50.09 | prolix | i just did an install when my machine wasn't connected to an internet connection. now when i try to apt-get something, it refers to the cd drive. how can i change it so that it queries the server? |
| 09:50.11 | liable | fireba11: should be in sid |
| 09:50.18 | suwro | jmd: never never? |
| 09:50.21 | force | hey, is there a command to remove every package except the default required files.. like remove every added package except for the base system? |
| 09:50.33 | liable | fireba11: or if he has used a version no longer in sid, s.d.n |
| 09:50.33 | fengor | prolix: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:50.38 | suwro | jmd: nfs-client, nfs-common, nfs-kernel-server |
| 09:50.40 | prolix | fengor: thank you |
| 09:50.45 | fengor | just comment out the cdrom lines |
| 09:50.51 | suwro | jmd: lenny here too.. |
| 09:51.10 | prolix | fengor: thank you again |
| 09:51.19 | fireba11 | liable : hm .. should look for backports packages or a way to use only kernel from sid so i get the header packages too ... |
| 09:51.26 | jmd | when I do apt-get install nfs-client, it says "choosing nfs-common instead". |
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| 09:51.40 | jmd | Why is it doing that instead of what I asked. |
| 09:51.41 | liable | fireba11: pin sid.. |
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| 09:52.02 | fireba11 | liable : didn't do this in quite a while .. how does it work |
| 09:52.29 | liable | fireba11: man apt_preferences |
| 09:52.39 | suwro | jmd: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/nfs-common/filelist |
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| 09:53.20 | fireba11 | liable : hm .. .22 from lenny looks nicer .. will try that one first :-) |
| 09:53.48 | liable | fireba11: if its only headers, its only two packages you need to get manually anyway |
| 09:54.28 | force | any ideas? |
| 09:54.49 | liable | !any ideas? |
| 09:54.49 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of three-legged goats. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 09:56.24 | suwro | ok - when I use scp i get this error - command-line: line 0: Bad configuration option: passwordprompt scp: warning: child process (/usr/local/bin/ssh2) exited with code 255. - scp command: scp -P30010 host:/path/file ./ |
| 09:57.33 | suwro | in /usr/local/bin there's a link ssh2 -> /usr/bin/ssh |
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| 10:02.16 | randombits4u0982 | suwro and epsilon: thanks logged in to debian now |
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| 10:02.33 | suwro | randombits4u0982: hey |
| 10:02.38 | randombits4u0982 | suwro and epsilon: oh this is kwijibo ### something something |
| 10:02.47 | suwro | randombits4u0982: let me tell you about ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 10:02.50 | _moep_ | hi what i had to insert in the /etc/network/interfaces if i add after a reboot a vlan? atm i used: vconfig add eth2 86 and iface eth2.86 inet dhcp |
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| 10:03.05 | suwro | randombits4u0982: which does the switch from X to console. |
| 10:03.16 | suwro | randombits4u0982: did you know that? |
| 10:03.34 | force | so theres no way without reinstalling the os, to remove all packages except the base system? .. apart from manually doing it which is too much work |
| 10:03.54 | suwro | randombits4u0982: i read your forum and tought you must know this. |
| 10:03.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | force, debfoster perhaps |
| 10:04.01 | force | oh ok |
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| 10:04.19 | maligor | you could write a script that does it too |
| 10:04.22 | force | thanks |
| 10:04.24 | maligor | if you find the list of base system packages |
| 10:05.40 | force | will do, thanks |
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| 10:07.28 | fireba11 | liable : .22 works too .. i got that from lenny now :_ |
| 10:07.31 | fireba11 | :-) |
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| 10:08.28 | randombits4u0982 | suwro: sorry i pressed CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| 10:08.31 | randombits4u0982 | lol |
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| 10:09.03 | suwro | randombits4u0982: lol - man you really need to read more about unix/linux :) |
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| 10:09.25 | randombits4u0982 | suwro: i admit you are right |
| 10:09.57 | suwro | randombits4u0982: you know - some of us didn't use X at all. |
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| 10:10.17 | prolix | that's odd |
| 10:10.23 | jmd | How do I undo the effect of apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ? |
| 10:10.23 | randombits4u0982 | suwro: ummm no pretty pictures? |
| 10:10.55 | suwro | randombits4u0982: pretty tty ascii art... l :) |
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| 10:12.36 | randombits4u0982 | suwro: lol - anyway, do you think i have been compromised? |
| 10:13.10 | randombits4u0982 | suwro: other guy who said that passwds dont change by themselves is right - "passwds dont change by themeselves" |
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| 10:14.20 | suwro | randombits4u0982: judging that you don't know mutch about linux - I doubt it .. maybe you did something and changed pass. nevertheless - to test if you-re compromised or not install rkhunter |
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| 10:15.12 | suwro | randombits4u0982: but you still have to read more about security - change your root pass - use sudo instead root account etc. |
| 10:15.29 | fireba11 | liable : hm .. question is how do i get the kernel-headers installed .. lots of deps on those |
| 10:15.50 | randombits4u0982 | suwro: i actually did that yesterday - would learn how to use it after this event - im pretty sure i didnt change passwd |
| 10:16.33 | liable | fireba11: only ones you need is the headers themselves and the 2.6 headers, everything else you prolly have installed |
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| 10:17.35 | fireba11 | liable : apt tells me i need newer libc6 version .. i probably don't because i need the ehaders to compile a module, not the header, but .. |
| 10:17.43 | randombits4u0982 | suwro: thanks for the tips- there has been a fiasco recently in our office - a law firm - someone apparently has been sending documents to opposite party |
| 10:17.59 | liable | fireba11: you dont need a newer libc6 for headers |
| 10:18.20 | liable | fireba11: get the two packages manually and install with dpkg. |
| 10:18.35 | jmd | What does one do, when apt-get update; apt-get upgrade buggers up the system. How do I put it back as it was before? |
| 10:19.15 | fireba11 | liable: to be precise they complain about newer kbuild, and kbuild about libc6 etc. etc :-) |
| 10:19.47 | liable | fireba11: for 24 or 22? i have 22 happily installed on my etch box. |
| 10:20.10 | fireba11 | for linux-headers-2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 10:20.43 | fengor | jmd. depends on what you mean by bugerred up |
| 10:21.09 | fengor | and what version of debian are you using |
| 10:21.19 | jmd | Well the particular problem I have is that nfs filesystems no longer get mounted at boot up. |
| 10:21.24 | jmd | lenny |
| 10:21.48 | jmd | So I just want to put it back how it was before. |
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| 10:21.52 | liable | fireba11: hmm. i dont know why yours would do that and mine not. |
| 10:22.08 | fengor | sorry cant helpyou with nfs. dont have enough clue about it to troubleshoot |
| 10:22.19 | fengor | but genrally downgrading isnt supported as far as i know |
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| 10:22.56 | Vladimir | i cant install libsdl1.2-dev synaptic says too much dependencies? |
| 10:23.02 | jmd | It's not really downgrading. Just reverting. |
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| 10:23.54 | fengor | reverting an upgrade vs downgrade... same thing |
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| 10:24.34 | jmd | Well changing from something which worked, to something which doesn't work, is hardly "upgrading". |
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| 10:24.50 | jmd | It's more like "retrograding". |
| 10:25.06 | assasukasse | hi everyone, can i install in etch .24 kernel from unstable? |
| 10:25.37 | streuner | there are backports |
| 10:25.38 | jelly | jmd: /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/aptitude, find which packages were upgraded and use snapshot.debian.net to pick earlier versions |
| 10:25.49 | assasukasse | streuner: for .22 |
| 10:26.01 | streuner | assasukasse: yep, why do you think you need .24? |
| 10:26.09 | liable | fireba11: hmm, i didnt actually have those headers. youre right. |
| 10:26.12 | jelly | jmd: or just debug the issue with mount init scripts |
| 10:26.23 | assasukasse | streuner: some problem with an embedded sound card |
| 10:26.29 | assasukasse | doesn't work in .18 |
| 10:26.33 | assasukasse | nor in .22 |
| 10:26.34 | jmd | jelly, OK thanks |
| 10:26.38 | assasukasse | hope it does in .24 |
| 10:26.46 | streuner | assasukasse: and upgrading ALSA? |
| 10:26.49 | maligor | more of a alsa issue than a kernel issue |
| 10:26.57 | assasukasse | uhm that's true.. |
| 10:27.10 | assasukasse | i don't remember having alsa in backports.. |
| 10:27.19 | assasukasse | how can i upgrade? |
| 10:27.22 | maligor | you can use the alsa-source package from unstable |
| 10:27.26 | liable | fireba11: thats the first time i have come across that. you'll have to build manually i guess. |
| 10:27.59 | assasukasse | maligor: and compile it? but for doing so i need to install all the dev deps.. |
| 10:28.06 | maligor | yes |
| 10:28.08 | assasukasse | i will see what i can do |
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| 10:28.19 | maligor | it's a minimal system? |
| 10:28.20 | assasukasse | hoping it doesn't bring 600mb of deps |
| 10:28.30 | maligor | it shouldn't |
| 10:28.35 | streuner | !+tell assasukasse -about simple sid upgrade |
| 10:28.36 | dpkg | i dunno what is 'simple sid upgrade'. |
| 10:28.37 | assasukasse | maligor: is a poor thunderbird 900 with 5gb hdd |
| 10:28.44 | streuner | !+tell assasukasse -about simple sid backport |
| 10:28.44 | dpkg | told assasukasse about simple sid backport. |
| 10:29.04 | streuner | no |
| 10:29.08 | assasukasse | streuner: that's dead easy :D |
| 10:29.15 | streuner | sure |
| 10:29.24 | assasukasse | i am just afraid of libc |
| 10:29.40 | assasukasse | what if alsa deps on newer libc |
| 10:29.48 | assasukasse | that could be a problem |
| 10:29.54 | streuner | simple sid backport (factoid) doesnt touch libc6 at all |
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| 10:30.05 | assasukasse | great |
| 10:30.14 | ddalton | anyone know how to block all ports on iptables and then unblock certain oens? |
| 10:30.16 | ddalton | got an example? |
| 10:30.17 | assasukasse | thanks streuner i go to compile it |
| 10:30.27 | maligor | but you don't get all the sweet glibc 2.7 lovin' |
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| 10:30.35 | fireba11 | liable : trick 17 .. take kernel from lenny and headers from backports :-) |
| 10:30.43 | ricosecada | Is it my connection or is security.debian.org down? |
| 10:30.56 | mquin | ddalton: put ACCEPT rules in for the ports you want to accept, followed by a DROP rule for all |
| 10:31.01 | streuner | keep in mind, you still prolly using the modules out of that kernel... |
| 10:31.08 | liable | fireba11: good thinkin' |
| 10:31.10 | fireba11 | liable : no security fixes needed for headers anyway |
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| 10:31.32 | liable | nods |
| 10:31.40 | ddalton | hey sorry, I'm blind and finding it hard to read everything. Is it possible for you to join ##ddalton for a few minutes? |
| 10:32.35 | streuner | apis:/tmp# ping -c1 security.debian.org |
| 10:32.48 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 10:33.12 | liable | ddalton: /j #iptables its a slower channel and speciales in iptables |
| 10:33.33 | ddalton | ok so to block all ports? what would the sintax be? -A input -j drop then what? |
| 10:33.49 | ddalton | oh thx. |
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| 10:35.54 | icesword | how could i know if i am running etch or lenny? |
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| 10:36.13 | liable | icesword: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:38.16 | randombits4u0982 | liable: may i join this topic 'cat /etc/debian_version' it says on my pc that is lenny/sid - which one? |
| 10:38.18 | icesword | k |
| 10:38.58 | wols | !version |
| 10:38.58 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 10:39.00 | liable | randombits4u0982: could be either. dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
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| 10:39.29 | icesword | mine is lenny/sid |
| 10:39.32 | liable | randombits4u0982: you really should know what version of debain you are running. |
| 10:40.38 | randombits4u0982 | liable: well hopefully i think i do - i just upgraded from etch - and in my sources.list the stuff i put in there is lenny - so it must be lenny :) |
| 10:41.20 | icesword | oh,my god, |
| 10:41.38 | randombits4u0982 | icesword: ? |
| 10:41.53 | `duKe` | cat /etc/issue |
| 10:41.56 | `duKe` | :-) |
| 10:42.05 | icesword | it is libc6 2.3.6.dsl-l3etch 5 GNUC |
| 10:42.09 | icesword | GNU C |
| 10:42.14 | wols | icesword: that's etch |
| 10:42.23 | icesword | could i be messed up with etch |
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| 10:42.39 | wols | etch is not messed up. if anything testing or sid are |
| 10:43.25 | icesword | i just set all etch to lenny,in sources.list,then sudo apt-get upgrade,there i got |
| 10:44.29 | wols | !tell icesword aboet etch->lenny |
| 10:44.43 | icesword | then how could i upgrade to lenny, |
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| 10:44.49 | wols | !tell icesword about etch->lenny |
| 10:44.50 | icesword | randombits4u0982, how |
| 10:45.01 | randombits4u0982 | duke: cat /etc/issue says Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l |
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| 10:45.50 | icesword | randombits4u0982, you are NEW NOW KNOW HOW? |
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| 10:46.06 | randombits4u0982 | icesword: im no expert but http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/06/how-to-upgrade-from-etch-to-lenny/ |
| 10:46.24 | icesword | god,tell me the command |
| 10:46.24 | randombits4u0982 | icesword: that is waht i used |
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| 10:46.45 | randombits4u0982 | icesword - well ok |
| 10:46.52 | randombits4u0982 | icesword - Open a terminal and type sudo su |
| 10:46.58 | icesword | ok |
| 10:47.02 | icesword | i am root now |
| 10:47.16 | randombits4u0982 | icesword: Now type cd /etc/apt/ && gedit sources.list |
| 10:47.27 | randombits4u0982 | icesword: or any text editor for that matter |
| 10:47.27 | icesword | k,doing it now |
| 10:47.47 | randombits4u0982 | icesword: Replace all occurrences of etch with lenny and save the file |
| 10:47.58 | randombits4u0982 | icesword: im copy pasting... lol |
| 10:48.07 | icesword | hmm |
| 10:48.26 | randombits4u0982 | icesword: but thats what i did - apparently successful - anyway - Back at the terminal type apt-get update |
| 10:48.54 | randombits4u0982 | icesword: # Once the update has finished type apt-get dist-upgrade (and follow any onscreen instructions) |
| 10:49.03 | icesword | yes?that is the way i did |
| 10:49.20 | icesword | or damn god,it is dist-upgrade? |
| 10:50.16 | `duKe` | <3 nano |
| 10:51.14 | icesword | or my god,i need to download 422m,new packages 162 |
| 10:51.31 | randombits4u0982 | it takes quite a while... :) |
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| 10:52.26 | icesword | randombits4u0982, if you are good man,tell me about upgrade to sid?hehe? |
| 10:52.58 | randombits4u0982 | icesword: i am not good :) ive been using debian for 3 months linux for 1 year lol |
| 10:53.17 | icesword | hehe,28m left |
| 10:53.28 | randombits4u0982 | lol |
| 10:53.35 | icesword | i mean download ,it is 202k/s |
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| 10:53.50 | Slap_Stick | hey, does anyone know of any decent products for keeping information about servers in, some kind of CRM system but yet for internal use as appose customer use - i could code something but would save me time to just deploy an open source product i wondered if someone already used one? |
| 10:54.26 | tarzeau | Slap_Stick: like hardware details? |
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| 10:54.48 | Slap_Stick | yeh, but categorising the hardware as well, location, hardware, IP's, management IP's , OS etc |
| 10:54.54 | tarzeau | Slap_Stick: yeah we got that: |
| 10:55.00 | Slap_Stick | what do you use? |
| 10:55.06 | Slap_Stick | or was it internally coded? |
| 10:55.11 | tarzeau | Slap_Stick: http://debian.ethz.ch/d-i/inventory |
| 10:55.15 | Slap_Stick | ahh nice thanks ;-) |
| 10:55.18 | tarzeau | Slap_Stick: yeah internally, i even got a mac os x version of it |
| 10:55.26 | Slap_Stick | wow, cool |
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| 10:55.49 | tarzeau | Slap_Stick: same url inventory.macosx |
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| 10:56.02 | Slap_Stick | thanks tarzeau |
| 10:56.16 | tarzeau | Slap_Stick: it's pretty simple yet effective and easily adaptable to ones needs |
| 10:56.20 | icesword | randombits4u0982, is macosx's font beautiful?and clear type? |
| 10:56.33 | Slap_Stick | yeh i can see, that's really useful |
| 10:56.33 | tarzeau | Slap_Stick: have fun |
| 10:56.39 | Slap_Stick | thanks a lot! |
| 10:56.43 | tarzeau | Slap_Stick: i tried to get out as much as serial numbers as possible |
| 10:56.44 | randombits4u0982 | icesword: i am not using macosx ^^ |
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| 10:56.51 | tarzeau | Slap_Stick: i got like 200 linux workstations here |
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| 10:57.24 | icesword | randombits4u0982, just download it |
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| 10:58.38 | icesword | this guy is strange |
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| 11:05.15 | orthos05847381 | anybody home? |
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| 11:08.09 | icesword | home? |
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| 11:08.20 | icesword | i have no home |
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| 11:09.46 | Osx86 | what do we need to do to upgrade a Debian i386 release to a new x86_64 |
| 11:10.05 | Osx86 | is x86_64 only available with lenny? |
| 11:10.13 | Osx86 | i'm on etch |
| 11:10.20 | Osx86 | and using Xen 3.2 |
| 11:10.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm not aware of a nice way to switch architectures |
| 11:10.27 | icesword | vm? |
| 11:10.37 | n0mad | em im trying to test v.trailer.1080p.x264.aac.mkv but i geting this mesage while playing video - it interupts whole things "too many packets in the buffer: (136in 8574379 bytes)" |
| 11:10.37 | Osx86 | yep |
| 11:10.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | etch does have a x86_64 release though |
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| 11:10.59 | Osx86 | Kamping_Kaiser: i haven't it on the official site |
| 11:11.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | Osx86, its called amd64 |
| 11:11.41 | Osx86 | allright |
| 11:11.52 | Osx86 | but it is usable with a core2duo too? |
| 11:11.57 | maligor | yes |
| 11:12.17 | Osx86 | then why do have called it amd64 |
| 11:12.20 | maligor | assuming it's not one of the core2duo's that don't have EM64T |
| 11:12.22 | Osx86 | ?... |
| 11:12.30 | maligor | because it was designed by AMD? |
| 11:12.31 | Osx86 | no it isn't |
| 11:12.42 | Osx86 | it got this implementation |
| 11:12.55 | maligor | you could ask the same question about i386 |
| 11:13.06 | wols | Osx86: you need to reinstall, you cannot upgrade from i386 |
| 11:13.09 | maligor | yet it works on amd athlons ;) |
| 11:13.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | aka, ia32 |
| 11:13.13 | wols | Osx86: aht cpu do you have exactly? |
| 11:13.53 | Osx86 | wols: core2duo 6420 |
| 11:13.55 | maligor | there seems to be a surprising number of people who are confused by the AMD64 name, heh |
| 11:14.08 | wols | Osx86: 64bit capable |
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| 11:14.21 | GoForWood | hiu |
| 11:14.27 | Osx86 | maligor: cause with i386 we don't even think that the "i" means intel |
| 11:14.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | maligor, clearly a lot of people dont read the site to carefully ;) |
| 11:14.35 | GoForWood | bullshit |
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| 11:14.40 | Osx86 | as amd64 points on amd processor |
| 11:14.42 | maligor | Osx86, I do |
| 11:14.51 | maligor | I always read the i as intel |
| 11:14.59 | wols | maligor: it is "intel" |
| 11:15.02 | Osx86 | maligor: you're right but that's the fact |
| 11:15.08 | mquin | Osx86: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292796 |
| 11:15.16 | Osx86 | mquin: thanks |
| 11:15.18 | maligor | AMD designed, it's AMD's trophy now ;) |
| 11:15.41 | Osx86 | mquin: debootstrap method |
| 11:15.48 | maligor | Intel has their own ... shiny ... IA64 |
| 11:16.17 | mquin | Osx86: was that a question? |
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| 11:16.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | maligor, which thier killing off for the C2D's anyway iirc |
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| 11:17.36 | mquin | IA64 and x86_64 are pretty different beasts |
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| 11:17.52 | Osx86 | mquin: it is the debootstrap way to install? |
| 11:17.54 | mquin | IA64 was more intended as a replacemnt for the PA-RISC line |
| 11:18.12 | Osx86 | IA64 is not compatible x86 |
| 11:18.19 | mquin | and is very much alive in that role |
| 11:18.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Osx86, it emulates i386, so it can run i386 binaries |
| 11:18.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | ia64 was meant to be an Alpha killer. |
| 11:18.57 | wols | mquin: hardly |
| 11:19.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | which it just wasnt (pity the alpha died anyway :'() |
| 11:19.17 | Osx86 | Kamping_Kaiser: ok |
| 11:19.18 | mquin | wols: hmmm? |
| 11:19.19 | wols | mquin: IA6 was designed as replacement for all intel server CPUs and later maybe even x86 on the desktop |
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| 11:19.34 | wols | e.g. no more Xeons |
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| 11:25.49 | mquin | Osx86: debootstrap --arch amd64 etch /target |
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| 11:30.19 | Osx86 | mquin: thanks |
| 11:30.27 | SparFux | Where is lib32capi20 gone for amd64 systems? |
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| 11:35.42 | SparFux | do you know about wine capi? |
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| 11:43.50 | gemidjy | why the weasel is f*king the earth here www.geticeweasel.org? |
| 11:44.38 | SparFux | I already have iceweasel. |
| 11:45.43 | gemidjy | I am not saying to get it, I asked a qstn |
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| 11:46.23 | SparFux | I see. |
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| 11:46.54 | SparFux | I think it's a comic. It is because the world tries to fuck with the weasel by making it fail to view some pages. |
| 11:47.02 | SparFux | But the weasel is clever to change the version string. |
| 11:47.14 | SparFux | So it is fucking the earth! |
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| 11:47.29 | gemidjy | SparFux: u are smart boy |
| 11:47.38 | heroxbd | Hi, when I am using ipython inside emacs. When I call help(if), it says "Your terminal lacks the ability to clear the screen or position the cursor.". Can I redirect the output to a buffer of emacs? |
| 11:48.20 | SparFux | gem: If only all the chicks would know... |
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| 11:49.25 | mbroeker | heroxbd, press m-x term and try again with bash |
| 11:53.20 | heroxbd | mbroeker, yes, it works. But I don't want to lose the functionality of the native ipython session. For example sending a region of python script to the ipython session |
| 11:53.45 | SparFux | gem: why shouldn't I occur as MS-IE on Windows Vista? |
| 11:53.48 | yigal | could someone tell me what is required to use firefox3 with flash if I'm using amd64 with nspluginwrapper and flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 11:53.53 | SparFux | Why at all display Mozilla! |
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| 11:54.44 | SparFux | I don't have firefox3 |
| 11:55.13 | yigal | It is a semi-theoretical question that I would really like to implement, if possible |
| 11:55.52 | yigal | vimperator and bookmarks are far better in ff3 than 2 and I would like the added functionality |
| 11:56.22 | gemidjy | yigal: use gnash |
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| 11:56.53 | SleepingSloth | my music collection is b0rked. it was on a reiserfs partition, but when that became corrupt, I reiserfsck'ed it, and then moved everything on the drive to an ext3 partition, formatted the original drive as ext3, and moved everything back. End result is that almost all of my mp3s are broken in one way or another - skipping, bits missing - although they are partly right - the right tracks etc. Does this make any sense to anyone? |
| 11:56.55 | yigal | gemidjy: for most purposes I agree, sometimes even now gnash doesn't do everything I want |
| 11:57.11 | yigal | gemidjy: I have to stop watching tv, online :) |
| 11:57.26 | gemidjy | yigal: yes, that is life-threating |
| 11:57.47 | SleepingSloth | I'm not really seeking a fix, because I very much doubt there is a way back, but I'm just interested in how just about every mp3 seems to have been affected to some extent |
| 11:57.54 | dude_ | hows best to back up a system so allz i have to do is extract a tar ball, to a partiton,. later |
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| 11:58.42 | gemidjy | dude_: tar cvpjf backup.tar.bz2 --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tar.bz2 --exclude=/media --exclude=/sys / |
| 11:59.10 | SparFux | Sleeping: Are the mp3 on the other disk ok? |
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| 11:59.21 | WormFood | SleepingSloth, just rerip them from your original CDs |
| 11:59.22 | dude_ | gemidjy, ; ) thanx |
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| 12:00.33 | SleepingSloth | WormFood, I see your point - but we're talking about an entire CD collection here.... painful. |
| 12:01.04 | cjsstables | Hello all. I can resolve internal host names like "dc01" to ip but I cannot resolve "dc01.cjsoffice.local. Can anyone advise me what is going on with my dns? |
| 12:01.07 | WormFood | I have so many MP3s, if they got corrupt, I would have no way to replace them :( |
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| 12:01.32 | SleepingSloth | SparFux, I dont think I ever had any on the 'other' (base intstallation) partition. I had one drive as / and the other as /home - at one time both resiserfs |
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| 12:01.39 | WormFood | cjsstables, check your /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 12:02.12 | SleepingSloth | SparFux, but I have tried copying a couple to another machine (m$) - and the reuslt is the same. The files themselves are knackered |
| 12:02.51 | SparFux | Ok, so the initial reiserfs disk was corrupted. That's strange unless there is a hardware problem. Cable fault or drive fault. |
| 12:02.55 | SleepingSloth | SparFux, but - still recognisable, and playable to an extent by media players. i just dont quite understand how this has happened... |
| 12:02.59 | SparFux | I would really be afraid to count on that drive again! |
| 12:03.20 | SparFux | And the cable! |
| 12:03.23 | WormFood | SleepingSloth, there is really nothing you can do now...in short, it sounds like you are screwed |
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| 12:03.26 | SparFux | And perhaps even the drive controller. |
| 12:04.01 | SparFux | Sleeping: I strongly advice testing the complete hardware in detail, including system RAM and everything. |
| 12:04.19 | SleepingSloth | WormFood, don't worry about it - like I said, i've resigned myself to rebuilding the lot. |
| 12:04.20 | SparFux | unlkess it was an old alpha development version of reiserfs. |
| 12:04.31 | SparFux | brb |
| 12:05.07 | SleepingSloth | is there a decent hard drive diagnostic tool? |
| 12:05.07 | WormFood | hopefully you shared them with your friends, and can get copies back from them ;) :D |
| 12:05.32 | SleepingSloth | WormFood, well - somthing like that, I expect... :) |
| 12:05.33 | cjsstables | WormFood etc/resolv.conf contains search cjsoffice.local , nameserver 192.168.1.2, nameserver,216.207.XX.XX, nameserver 216.207.XX.XY |
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| 12:06.58 | WormFood | cjsstables, have you tried "dig"? that is a wonderful tool for testing dns...also do you have access to the dns server? |
| 12:07.18 | cjsstables | yes. I have access to the server |
| 12:07.46 | SleepingSloth | SparFux, my hunch is that the hardware is fine - I think reiser is to blame. I have no proof, so finding a 'scandisk' type tool would be useful |
| 12:08.14 | WormFood | and what does "dig" tell you? |
| 12:08.39 | cjsstables | ; <<>> DiG 9.4.1-P1 <<>> dc01.cjsoffice.local |
| 12:08.39 | cjsstables | ;; global options: printcmd |
| 12:08.39 | cjsstables | ;; Got answer: |
| 12:08.39 | cjsstables | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 62897 |
| 12:08.39 | cjsstables | ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 |
| 12:08.39 | cjsstables | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |
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| 12:08.48 | WormFood | heh |
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| 12:10.13 | cjsstables | did you get that WormFood |
| 12:10.26 | WormFood | no |
| 12:10.29 | SleepingSloth | he got the first 6 lines... |
| 12:10.33 | WormFood | you got kicked :P |
| 12:10.38 | WormFood | msg it to me |
| 12:10.48 | cjsstables | sorry. I didn'tknow I couldn't paste it in here |
| 12:11.02 | WormFood | it is in the topic! how can you miss it? :P |
| 12:11.12 | cjsstables | I'm not familier with IRC.. |
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| 12:11.40 | SleepingSloth | to be fair WormFood - 'no flood' isnt *that* explicit |
| 12:12.14 | cjsstables | ok I sent it to you WormFood |
| 12:12.16 | WormFood | I thought it was pretty explicit :P |
| 12:12.20 | WormFood | you did? |
| 12:12.36 | WormFood | type "/query wormfood", and paste it into the new window it opens |
| 12:12.47 | cjsstables | ok |
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| 12:13.10 | SleepingSloth | Wormfood - well, it relies on your own understanding of what flooding is.... ie - implicit, not explicit |
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| 12:13.35 | WormFood | maybe it is explicit to me because I've been on IRC for almost 15 years |
| 12:13.35 | SleepingSloth | WormFood, now I know that >5 messages per second appears to be a flood ;) |
| 12:13.51 | WormFood | more than 3 lines is a "flood" here :P |
| 12:14.06 | cjsstables | I've only been on irc for like 5minutes.... LOL |
| 12:14.23 | WormFood | 1993 or 1994 was the first time I was on irc |
| 12:14.28 | SleepingSloth | WormFood, what, in a row, or at the same time? |
| 12:14.35 | WormFood | in a row |
| 12:14.49 | cjsstables | did you get that wormfood |
| 12:14.50 | azeem | WormFood: please suggest people put information on pastebins rather than in /queryies |
| 12:14.59 | WormFood | or use pastebin.com |
| 12:15.33 | WormFood | azeem, I wasn't suggesting he just /msg anyone, I was suggesting he /msg me |
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| 12:15.51 | WormFood | no cjsstables I didn't get it...perhaps your nick is not registered...just use pastebin.com |
| 12:15.54 | WormFood | and give me the url here |
| 12:16.13 | WormFood | that also gives others the chance to look over it...also give your command line for dig too |
| 12:16.17 | cjsstables | ok hold on I'll have to figure out pastbin |
| 12:16.25 | cjsstables | give me a second |
| 12:16.53 | walkies | Hey, I find myself being a stoner and asking myself trivial questions "how do I escape a single quote character in bash", or "whats the return type of so and so function in base ruby".. stuff I should know but don't, as part of my self-imposed short-term memory frying. |
| 12:17.04 | SleepingSloth | so - just out of interest - would a 6th line from you ^ have resulted in a kick? |
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| 12:17.09 | walkies | So I would like to make a query database. |
| 12:17.18 | WormFood | or slip me a $50, and root access, and I'll take care of everything for you ;) (I've administered dns server with tens of thousands of dns entries before) |
| 12:17.38 | WormFood | walkies, I've been a stoner for 20 years, and it does not fry your short term memory |
| 12:17.54 | WormFood | I haven't smoked anything in over 2 months, and I still can't remember shit |
| 12:18.23 | WormFood | I think people with bad short term memories are stoners, giving it the appearance that weed frys your short term memory |
| 12:18.25 | cjsstables | WormFood url= http://pastebin.com/m569adb3e |
| 12:18.27 | SleepingSloth | WormFood, I think that counts as 'irrepairable' damage.... but you learn to live with it ;) |
| 12:18.45 | walkies | hehe, that may be true, |
| 12:19.01 | walkies | but I know that with discipline I can remember programming constructs alright :D |
| 12:19.22 | WormFood | I can still remember how to fold a dollar bill into a ring |
| 12:19.37 | WormFood | it just took me about 3 or 4 tries to remember it...but hell, I'm that way with anything |
| 12:20.06 | walkies | some things you just don't forget |
| 12:20.12 | cjsstables | WormFood does the dig report look correct |
| 12:20.18 | WormFood | now I'm trying to learn how to speak mandarin (chinese)...now that shit fucks with my memory bad |
| 12:20.28 | SleepingSloth | I'm not sure how good that is as a standardised test for correct brain functioning, but I'll buy it.... |
| 12:20.59 | WormFood | cjsstables, I'm loading it now...my machine is rather lagged due to all the stuff I have running |
| 12:21.15 | walkies | well, I always figured, "If it's fucked my memory up, that just means I'll have to apply stronger discipline" |
| 12:21.40 | SleepingSloth | enjoyable as this is, I think it's probably trolling now ;) |
| 12:22.16 | walkies | ah well |
| 12:22.36 | WormFood | cjsstables, it looks ok...BTW, you don't need to be root to run "dig" |
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| 12:23.44 | walkies | alright, I do have a legitimate concern for you guys |
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| 12:25.23 | walkies | How can I prevent apps from hanging my system? |
| 12:25.41 | WormFood | don't run any apps |
| 12:25.51 | WormFood | you need to be more specific than that |
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| 12:26.11 | WormFood | why are they hanging? hardware problems? software problems? |
| 12:26.17 | SleepingSloth | walkies, what app hangs your system, and what do the logs say? |
| 12:27.15 | walkies | evince hangs, sometimes apt-get install hangs |
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| 12:27.37 | SleepingSloth | walkies - what, completely hangs the system and you have to hard-reboot? |
| 12:27.39 | WormFood | don't overclock your machine |
| 12:27.58 | WormFood | sounds like a hardware problem to me |
| 12:28.02 | walkies | a few other things do as well, hangs the system and I cannot move a thing, have to reboot |
| 12:28.10 | cjsstables | ok. So would you have any idea why i can resolve just by using the host name but not by the fully qualified name? |
| 12:28.13 | SleepingSloth | walkies - is this intermittent? |
| 12:28.37 | SleepingSloth | walkies - I mean, apt works some of the time, right? |
| 12:28.45 | walkies | yes |
| 12:28.48 | phorce1 | walkies: Run memtest86 for 24 hours and consider upgrading your power supply |
| 12:29.04 | Refakki | I need to see windows media video 9 file...What should i install? |
| 12:29.22 | phorce1 | walkies: those are the two most common things that cause random failures |
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| 12:29.25 | SleepingSloth | I'd have to agree with WormFood then - sounds like a hardware problem. when was the last time this system ran stable? |
| 12:29.28 | walkies | I do have reason to believe that the hardware is not well supported. Before I flashed my bios booting into any linux with X-Org would just shut my computer off |
| 12:29.35 | WormFood | one time I had a motherboard that would run a memory test just fine, but would crash when running the OS....it had a bad refresh circuit and running the memory test refreshed the ram....interesting problem |
| 12:29.58 | WormFood | Refakki, windows xp? |
| 12:30.03 | walkies | This system happens to be a laptop.. runs alright in winows xp |
| 12:30.10 | Refakki | WormFood, debian etch |
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| 12:30.43 | WormFood | walkies, I've found that sometimes Linux stresses the hardware more than winblows...I still suspect a hardware problem |
| 12:31.00 | SleepingSloth | walkies, what board is it? |
| 12:31.42 | phorce1 | walkies: poke around in the linux-on-a-laptop forums/lists/IRC looking for others using your specific model |
| 12:31.51 | walkies | intel 810i chipset or something.. let me look up the specs |
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| 12:32.49 | cjsstables | WormFood. I went to another client and pinged dc01.cjsoffice.local and I get a reply. so a different client can resolve. It must be a this client that has the issue. any advice where to look? |
| 12:33.33 | pgpkeys | morning |
| 12:33.36 | WormFood | cjsstables, it could be any of a number of things |
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| 12:33.42 | WormFood | pgpkeys, evening |
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| 12:34.13 | pgpkeys | the international date line rears it's ugly head ;) |
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| 12:34.32 | WormFood | cjsstables, according to your dig response, it is resolving the correct name |
| 12:34.59 | WormFood | pgpkeys, indeed...it is after 8:30 pm here ;) |
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| 12:35.03 | walkies | hmm |
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| 12:35.14 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 12:35.46 | walkies | I will persist with the laptop forums... just remembered I archived some search results with an interesting lead |
| 12:35.47 | cjsstables | yes it does. I don't think my dns setup is incorrect. I think it is something with local client. |
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| 12:35.52 | pgpkeys | WormFood: where you live? |
| 12:35.57 | pgpkeys | if i may be so bold |
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| 12:36.03 | WormFood | I'm in china |
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| 12:36.37 | WormFood | Guangzhou to be specific...but tomorrow I go to Dongguan, and then Shenzhen....but I'm really from florida |
| 12:36.39 | pgpkeys | ahh. you guys are getting a lot of business growth going over there. How's life going? (Always wanted to visit there) |
| 12:36.49 | pgpkeys | ahhh. american? |
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| 12:36.54 | WormFood | I've only been here for 2 months |
| 12:37.05 | walkies | if the hardware was at fault, would it be possible to wrap what ever was causing the problem in fault tolerance code? |
| 12:37.06 | WormFood | I got here on Jan 18 |
| 12:37.14 | WormFood | walkies, not really |
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| 12:37.57 | walkies | it's a wonderful system and I love it very much, but the warranty is gone gone gone :D |
| 12:38.05 | WormFood | what type of laptop? |
| 12:38.15 | WormFood | strokes his thinkpad |
| 12:38.21 | pgpkeys | WormFood: my dream is to visit Australia though. At least once before I die |
| 12:38.29 | walkies | It's a toshiba... I don't think the manufacturer would have supported a linux install, anyways. |
| 12:38.33 | WormFood | yeah, I want to visit OZ and new zealand too |
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| 12:39.19 | walkies | so yeah, I've been dreaming of putting together an OS based on a realtime kernel. |
| 12:39.23 | WormFood | right now I'm working on my resume, so I can get a job here :D |
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| 12:39.34 | walkies | In order to get rid of whole system hangs once and for all |
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| 12:39.37 | WormFood | I used to run a real time OS back in the mid 80s to early 90s |
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| 12:40.00 | pgpkeys | haha this is funny. being able to irc from the bathroom. I remember when there was no such thing as wifi. I still get a kick out of how far tech has come |
| 12:40.04 | WormFood | it was called OS-9 (and no, it has nothing to do with apple) |
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| 12:40.25 | pgpkeys | yeah I remember that, along with BeOS |
| 12:40.29 | WormFood | I was able to irc from the bathroom, because I had a terminal on a long serial cable....but that was before IRC :P |
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| 12:40.50 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 12:40.51 | WormFood | I ran OS-9/6809 and OS-9/68000 |
| 12:41.02 | pgpkeys | hehe I'm ld enough to remember AOL app from DOS, along with CompuServ's DOS version |
| 12:41.05 | walkies | did the interface ever hang? |
| 12:41.09 | cjsstables | WormFood If a client cannot resolve its own host name what might be the issue there |
| 12:41.09 | phorce1 | walkies: My Dell is the "Windows machine" I keep for conformance with the corporate world. (plus one Windows desktop box that I haven't actually used in several days) |
| 12:41.11 | orthos05847381 | dreams about white sands.... |
| 12:41.17 | WormFood | I always used command line, and yes, it would lag |
| 12:41.27 | uzbek | is there a program that takes what im doing in computer as a video? like screenshot but video? |
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| 12:41.48 | pgpkeys | it was serial back then. of course it lagged :) |
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| 12:41.56 | WormFood | the 6809 system was 0.89 Mhz, or 0.89*2 Mhz |
| 12:42.06 | WormFood | uzbek, yes, it is called vmware |
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| 12:42.09 | walkies | I don't understand how modern windows server/managers even can stop responding.. |
| 12:42.15 | pgpkeys | uzbek: kde has a screen shot app |
| 12:42.28 | pgpkeys | i forget the name it's in the menu |
| 12:42.33 | WormFood | pgpkeys, that is not what he is asking for |
| 12:42.33 | pgpkeys | gimme a sec |
| 12:42.43 | uzbek | pgpkeys, not screenshot but screenvideo :) |
| 12:43.04 | pgpkeys | ohhh. only one i know of is for windows |
| 12:43.05 | uzbek | WormFood, isn't it a virtualization? |
| 12:43.06 | WormFood | uzbek, go do vmware.com and register, they will give you a key to use |
| 12:43.09 | WormFood | yes |
| 12:43.10 | pgpkeys | Camtasia Studio |
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| 12:43.13 | WormFood | but it will do what you want |
| 12:43.53 | uzbek | WormFood, pgpkeys thanx! |
| 12:43.54 | walkies | rubs his laptop's lid and coos, "I'm gonna make you all better, bunnyrabbit." |
| 12:43.54 | mquin | uzbek: http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/#xvidcap_live: |
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| 12:45.52 | uzbek | mquin, thanx |
| 12:46.03 | pgpkeys | "If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut.""If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut." |
| 12:46.05 | WormFood | uzbek, if you want network support in vmware on the newest linux kernel, you will need to edit a file |
| 12:46.15 | pgpkeys | doh! |
| 12:46.36 | Deezire | Fuck, sitting in thailand and was hoping that i could configure my webserver while abroad, but ip-adress changed at home and i forgot to setup dyndns :p |
| 12:46.38 | pgpkeys | sorry. was C&Ping an Albert Einstein quote to a friend. |
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| 12:46.53 | WormFood | if you want details, then ask me, and I'll tell you what to do...it is very simple...whatever you do, don't run the helper script from some 3rd party, as that just breaks the newest vmware |
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| 12:48.54 | uzbek | WormFood, im working on Xen VM now, and i have no rights to install vmware |
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| 12:49.58 | pgpkeys | i need to ask this laptop's owner if I can install vmware on here so I can get both a freebsd and a debian VPS going |
| 12:50.11 | pgpkeys | i need to catch up on the latest for both OSs |
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| 12:50.32 | pgpkeys | all the help I give in here (which I admit aint much) is all from memory hehe |
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| 12:51.20 | walkies | my friends, know that I love and cherish you all |
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| 12:51.40 | orthos05847381 | hello all, can anyone teach me how to use rkhunter? |
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| 12:52.59 | WormFood | pgpkeys, all the help I give in #avr is from memory ;) |
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| 12:53.34 | pgpkeys | hehe. I just feel like I'm cheating I guess. plus there have been a lot of changes since I last ran debian (about a year) |
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| 12:54.32 | WormFood | pgpkeys, as you can see, most of the questions here are not about debian, but about Linux in general |
| 12:54.49 | jelly | it should not be that way |
| 12:54.51 | pgpkeys | true |
| 12:54.53 | pgpkeys | gotta go. bus |
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| 12:55.32 | WormFood | l8r pgpkeys |
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| 12:56.13 | orthos05847381 | im sorry.... |
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| 13:03.07 | averno | hello |
| 13:03.16 | devurandom | Hi! |
| 13:03.36 | averno | im trying to install a driver for the wireless card, and im having problems to install the package bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 13:03.49 | averno | i downloaded form debian webpage |
| 13:03.56 | averno | because the one in the dvd does not work |
| 13:04.05 | devurandom | Do you have a specific "legal issues" channel? |
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| 13:04.33 | averno | and im trying to install it, when i use Gdebi package installer says that the dependency is not satisfiable |
| 13:04.40 | averno | uhm |
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| 13:04.53 | averno | i think so.. is what i said legal ? |
| 13:04.56 | wols | averno: do you think we are psychic? |
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| 13:05.21 | averno | not at all.. am i missing something? |
| 13:05.21 | wols | devurandom: there is a debian-legal mailinglist |
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| 13:05.37 | wols | if we aren't, how should we know what error unless you tell us? |
| 13:05.55 | averno | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.03 | devurandom | Actually what I need is not really legal. It is more like best practices in handling copyright notices. |
| 13:06.14 | wols | use apt-get or aptitude and tell us what exact error there is |
| 13:06.24 | wols | devurandom: ask debian-legal |
| 13:06.29 | devurandom | kk, thanks! |
| 13:06.36 | hark | averno: iirc, you have to use the one from volatile |
| 13:06.42 | azeem | averno: you might have to add non-free to your sources.list |
| 13:06.55 | wols | it might be even named slightly differently in volatile |
| 13:07.10 | averno | ok, where can i get the reliable debian sources? |
| 13:07.11 | devurandom | wols: Do I need to be subscribed to post? |
| 13:07.21 | wols | devurandom: probably |
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| 13:07.33 | wols | averno: debian.org/mirrors |
| 13:07.41 | averno | ok, ty wols |
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| 13:08.55 | hark | averno: /msg dpkg bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
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| 13:10.46 | rjent | Greetings, if I have two nics in a system and I want to redirect from nic1:port to address_on_nic2_network:port could I get an example? |
| 13:11.07 | averno | http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates is not working? |
| 13:11.19 | wols | doesn't work |
| 13:11.23 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 13:11.23 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 13:12.11 | abrotman | !tell rjent about iptables |
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| 13:13.42 | rjent | abortman: I knew iptables, but I suppose I should ask if I have to have masquerading on for it to work of just forward packets between interfaces? |
| 13:13.54 | abrotman | read the iptables docs |
| 13:14.22 | rjent | abortman: lol ok, I just thought I would ask for a simple example. |
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| 13:15.03 | rjent | abortman: thanks |
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| 13:19.08 | tijn | hi all |
| 13:19.26 | tijn | iam looking for an debian repo which has stuff as JDK 1.5.0 Maven and Ant |
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| 13:21.13 | abrotman | !info ant etch |
| 13:21.16 | dpkg | ant: (Java based build tool like make), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.6.5-6 (etch), Packaged size: 1010 kB, Installed size: 1200 kB |
| 13:21.34 | abrotman | don't think maven is packaged though |
| 13:21.35 | tijn | yes, i know, but need 1.7 |
| 13:21.56 | tijn | hmm ok |
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| 13:22.06 | abrotman | backports.org .. maybe |
| 13:22.16 | tijn | hmm ill check |
| 13:22.29 | tijn | i know ubuntu has them, is it possible to use that one? |
| 13:23.16 | abrotman | tijn: maybe .. but not a good idea |
| 13:23.22 | abrotman | !tell tijn about simple sid backport |
| 13:23.27 | tijn | hmm i thought so |
| 13:23.56 | tijn | thnx for your help ;) |
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| 13:28.48 | JasonF | Hey, I'm getting random freezes/crases on a lenny server I'm running nagios3 on. When it locks up, it doesn't respond to ping or anything, but it's still "powered on". I can't look at the console either because it is a vmware server and the console goes away when the system goes unresponsive. |
| 13:29.00 | JasonF | Any good next-steps for troubleshooting? |
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| 13:30.25 | JasonF | There's nothing in the syslog when it happens, either. |
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| 13:30.52 | Nes | hi all |
| 13:31.06 | AVRS | hi |
| 13:31.44 | AVRS | Has anyone else seen openssl 0.9.8_0.9.8g-4 not work? My XChat cannot connect to irc.mozilla.org with it |
| 13:31.56 | Nes | i dont know in past if gaim is for irc too :D - i try it now :-) - its nice |
| 13:31.57 | AVRS | *7 |
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| 13:32.03 | AVRS | It works with 4, but not with 7. |
| 13:33.07 | AVRS | There is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=431918 , but I do not understand that anyway. |
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| 13:37.43 | Servu | Hi |
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| 13:38.19 | Servu | which way i have to go to install a centrino wifi driver ?? |
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| 13:38.34 | wols | Servu: which chip? |
| 13:38.42 | Servu | 2100b |
| 13:38.50 | wols | !ipw2100 |
| 13:38.50 | dpkg | ipw2100 is, like, a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
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| 13:42.34 | abrotman | /msg nickserv help |
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| 13:51.43 | ohcibi | hi folks... ive installed java and specified the path in my operas config.... but the applets on webpages stay gray... what could be wrong? |
| 13:53.05 | Slap_Stick | hmm how do i get tar to extract a tarball to a specific directory as appose moving that file to that directory and decompressing it? i can't see an option |
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| 13:54.12 | Justin | Slap_Stick: tar by default extracts to where you are, not where the tar file is |
| 13:54.32 | Justin | Slap_Stick: you don't need to move it to the directory, you need to move yourself |
| 13:54.50 | Slap_Stick | ok so you can't just specify a directory |
| 13:55.00 | Justin | Slap_Stick: you can, it is just easier to just go there first |
| 13:55.01 | \amethyst | Slap_Stick: look for -C in the manpage |
| 13:55.05 | \amethyst | or just cd first |
| 13:55.34 | Slap_Stick | fair enough thanks |
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| 14:06.25 | streuner | Does someone remember in which package is the whole list of SIP errors? |
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| 14:09.11 | streuner | nm |
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| 14:14.18 | GuilhermeBrant | which software edits pdf? |
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| 14:15.03 | craigevil | try pdfedit |
| 14:15.56 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: pdftk also |
| 14:16.29 | abrotman | !edit pdf |
| 14:16.29 | dpkg | pdftk is a nifty package which you can use to edit, merge, split, and otherwise munge pdf files. Ask me about <fill pdf forms> to learn how to fill out a pdf form. |
| 14:16.32 | abrotman | !fill pdf forms |
| 14:16.32 | dpkg | pdftk foo.pdf generate_fdf foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; |
| 14:16.41 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: or do you mean actually edit the PDF content? |
| 14:16.48 | streuner | GuilhermeBrant: gimp |
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| 14:21.40 | GuilhermeBrant | I mean edit pdf content |
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| 14:23.19 | ricosecada | Is it possible to run some kind of raid system using just two harddrives, without a real raid controller system? |
| 14:23.37 | helo | ricosecada: it is recommended :) |
| 14:23.38 | petemc | yes, software raid |
| 14:24.02 | ricosecada | software raid, never heard of it before :-) Thanks! |
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| 14:26.13 | wols | !md |
| 14:26.13 | dpkg | it has been said that md is the Multiple Device driver (aka Linux Software RAID). See md(4) and ask me about <software raid>. |
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| 14:28.25 | Deezire | wols: setup raid during install, much less hassle. |
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| 14:31.03 | real0ne | i have shutdonw my computer then he don't want to run |
| 14:32.35 | wols | !tell real0ne about errors |
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| 14:33.58 | real0ne | and now i have target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init |
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| 14:35.35 | real0ne | can any one help me |
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| 14:36.16 | azeem | real0ne: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:37.13 | real0ne | the last one |
| 14:37.18 | real0ne | azeem |
| 14:37.21 | fireba11 | azeem: i wouldn't call that "running" :-) |
| 14:37.29 | real0ne | lol |
| 14:37.31 | azeem | real0ne: so etch? |
| 14:37.35 | real0ne | yes etch |
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| 14:38.01 | chops | real0ne: How long has it been since the last time you rebooted your computer before this time? |
| 14:38.14 | chops | real0ne: Did anything important change between that time and this time? |
| 14:38.26 | chops | real0ne: (Well, obviously _something_ changed, since it used to boot and now it doesn't...) |
| 14:38.31 | abrotman | real0ne: which kernel did you update from? to? |
| 14:38.40 | abrotman | real0ne: and did you compile your own kernel? |
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| 14:38.55 | real0ne | chops: i have shutdonws the system anormaly |
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| 14:38.57 | ricosecada | Running a software raid1, does the disks have to be the same size? |
| 14:39.00 | abrotman | no |
| 14:39.10 | wols | ricosecada: yes |
| 14:39.15 | real0ne | abrotman no i have just make apt-get upgarde |
| 14:39.15 | abrotman | the partitions do .. |
| 14:39.25 | wols | abrotman: kinda useless if they aren't. smallest disk determines raid size |
| 14:39.39 | ricosecada | okay thanks |
| 14:39.48 | fireba11 | ricosecada: no, but raid is limited to the smaller disk's size naturally |
| 14:40.11 | ricosecada | fireball, thanks |
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| 14:40.27 | fireba11 | ricosecada: theoretically you could at least use the excess space as additional swap, that doesn't have to be on raid :-D |
| 14:40.29 | real0ne | azeem so d u have any idee :) |
| 14:40.40 | chops | real0ne: Cutting power to the system shouldn't cause too much trouble unless you're in the middle of an upgrade or something. What kernel are you running? What got upgraded when you did apt-get ugprdae? Can you answer my other questions above, please? |
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| 14:40.50 | abrotman | wols: but it's possibler |
| 14:40.52 | azeem | real0ne: what file system is this? |
| 14:40.59 | ricosecada | fireball, okay :-) |
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| 14:41.33 | real0ne | chops i thing u have write |
| 14:41.53 | real0ne | chops i have shutdonw dual apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:42.13 | chops | real0ne: Shut down during apt-get upgrade? |
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| 14:43.09 | real0ne | chops yes |
| 14:43.27 | azeem | 15:39 < azeem> real0ne: what file system is this? |
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| 14:43.53 | chops | real0ne: Boot from a rescue disk, chroot to the target system, use 'apt-get reinstall' to reinstall anything that it was trying to install during the interrupted 'apt-get upgrade'. That's my advice. |
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| 14:44.15 | real0ne | azeem i don't know wich file system i have :( |
| 14:44.17 | chops | real0ne: Also, you may check in one of the non-English #debian channels if you're more comfortable in a different language. |
| 14:44.26 | azeem | apt-get reinstall? |
| 14:44.31 | azeem | never heard of that |
| 14:44.39 | Osx86 | me too |
| 14:44.43 | real0ne | chops i can speack english very good |
| 14:44.48 | chops | Er, sorry. 'apt-get --reinstall install' |
| 14:44.51 | wols | chops: he already did. and then promptly ignored it. he's german as me |
| 14:45.17 | real0ne | chops now i have boot with a live cd for ubunto so should i make 'apt-get --reinstall install' |
| 14:45.19 | wols | chops: not to mention PMs to me again and stuff like it |
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| 14:45.30 | Justin | I believe Arabic is the language you are looking for :) |
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| 14:45.40 | chops | wols: Huh. |
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| 14:45.51 | truebosko | Hi there ... I am trying run an app on port 8000. I am running a Debian box with DirectAdmin control panel. Do you guys have any suggestions as to where I could look to open the port? For some reason I can't access anything on the port |
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| 14:46.13 | SlayerXP | !tell trueboskoabout open port |
| 14:46.16 | wols | truebosko: as root netstat -anp |grep 8000 | grep LIST |
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| 14:46.25 | SlayerXP | !tell truebosko about open port |
| 14:46.33 | SlayerXP | well duh |
| 14:46.34 | real0ne | chops now i have boot with a live cd for ubunto so should i make 'apt-get --reinstall install' |
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| 14:47.12 | truebosko | SlayerXP - Yup. . when I do that it shows my python program running on 127.0.0.1:8000 which is correct |
| 14:47.22 | truebosko | But I cannot access it via http / web browser |
| 14:47.37 | Justin | 127.0.0.1 != 0.0.0.0 |
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| 14:47.50 | SlayerXP | truebosko: 127.0.0.1 means loopback |
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| 14:48.14 | wols | truebosko: means you can only connecto to it from the local computer wher it runs |
| 14:48.20 | truebosko | Ok |
| 14:48.38 | truebosko | So I should try running the server on a public accessible IP |
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| 14:49.48 | real0ne | chops now i have boot with a live cd for ubunto so should i make 'apt-get --reinstall install' |
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| 14:50.08 | azeem | real0ne: you already said that |
| 14:50.18 | chops | real0ne: I already advised you to do that, yes. chroot to the target system first. |
| 14:50.19 | azeem | real0ne: reread what chops said earlier, and base your actions on that |
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| 14:50.34 | azeem | real0ne: we're not going to affirm every step, but might help in case of problems |
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| 14:52.00 | mick_home | hi everyone, do you happen to know of a way to detect if there is an ip address conflict on your network? |
| 14:52.00 | fireba11 | wtf ... can someone explain why on that etch box where i changed network settings from dhcp to a manual setting and then did ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; all of a sudden the IP config got lost ? i had this once or twice in the past, after the first reboot the problem seems to be gone |
| 14:52.24 | Justin | fireba11: a dhcp client may have still been running |
| 14:53.22 | truebosko | Thanks guys .. running it on a public IP did the trick :-) |
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| 14:55.53 | fireba11 | Justin : correct .. d'oh |
| 14:56.17 | chomwitt | do i have to be developer to be able to commit changes to debian installation manual ? |
| 14:57.24 | abrotman | chomwitt: AIUI .. you can commit changes via the BTS |
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| 15:01.24 | chomwitt | abrotman: i mean through svn command . |
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| 15:02.52 | abrotman | chomwitt: i really doubt it |
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| 15:05.59 | newnick | when i ./configure mplayer... it asks me for "XShape" ...do you know which packages it comes from ? |
| 15:06.25 | wols | !tell newnick about errors |
| 15:06.31 | wols | also why do you compile mplayer? |
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| 15:07.43 | Zalewa | hi |
| 15:07.49 | Zalewa | I've just migrated to pppoe |
| 15:08.19 | Zalewa | how do I make it startup with system? pppoeconf asked me if I want to start pppoe with system and I answered yes but it didn't seem to work |
| 15:08.41 | chops | Zalewa: How did you install pppoe? What version of Debian? |
| 15:09.12 | wols | Zalewa: /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot ? |
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| 15:09.28 | wols | also: demand in your ppp options? |
| 15:09.35 | newnick | wols: to have a fresh version that supports certain type of files that the etch official release does not |
| 15:10.01 | Zalewa | 3.1 / |
| 15:10.04 | wols | !tell newnick about backport |
| 15:10.11 | wols | !tell newnick about dmm |
| 15:10.13 | Zalewa | and the pppoe was already installed |
| 15:10.24 | wols | Zalewa: you really want to upgrade to etch |
| 15:10.40 | wols | tho sarge can do it (pppd on boot) |
| 15:10.56 | Zalewa | wols: yeah I've got /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot.dsl |
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| 15:11.20 | Justin | newnick: apt-get build-dep mplayer |
| 15:11.21 | Zalewa | I've read somewhere that pppoe needs some time for system to stabilize |
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| 15:11.49 | wols | Zalewa: good. and "demand" in your ppp options? |
| 15:11.58 | Zalewa | it's hashed... |
| 15:12.11 | vvd | portmap does "pmap_dump >/var/run/portmap.state" on shutdown. when i mount /var/run as tmpfs (rcS) wouldnt that be pointless? |
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| 15:13.13 | chops | vvd: Sounds pointless, yes |
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| 15:14.43 | vvd | chops: problem is, portmap sometimes doesnt shut down on reboot or shutdown (hangs forever). but at that point /var/run should still be mounted, hmm |
| 15:14.49 | Zalewa | hmm? |
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| 15:15.00 | vvd | :P |
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| 15:16.08 | chops | vvd: Use strace -p to find out what it's doing at the exact point that it hangs |
| 15:16.50 | vvd | chops: good idea thx |
| 15:17.05 | chops | vvd: Seems to me that portmap's shutdown should happen before killall5, so you should still be able to access your tty consoles |
| 15:17.12 | chops | vvd: np |
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| 15:17.36 | Zalewa | http://users.pandora.be/Asterisk-PBX/PPPoE.htm - |
| 15:17.43 | Zalewa | I did exactly what this site says |
| 15:17.54 | vvd | chops: well, yeah, i can switch consoles but i cannot login somehow. |
| 15:18.06 | chops | vvd: Can you continue to use an already-logged-in session? |
| 15:18.30 | chops | vvd: If you can track down which init.d script is responsible for logging in, you can temporarily configure that one not to run on shutdown so you can track this problem down |
| 15:18.49 | TromBoeZoe | hello ! i have a Sony laptop with 128MB RAM, and am looking for a light-weight doc etc... reader |
| 15:19.04 | vvd | chops: i use gdm |
| 15:19.09 | wols | TromBoeZoe: man? less? |
| 15:20.09 | TromBoeZoe | na, i mean for files such as .doc or .odt .... |
| 15:20.10 | chops | vvd: You'll probably have better luck using the tty consoles than trying to use X halfway through shutdown |
| 15:20.21 | chops | TromBoeZoe: abiword is supposed to be lighter-weight than openoffice |
| 15:20.22 | vvd | chops: yeah :) |
| 15:20.39 | chops | TromBoeZoe: Or you could use remote X from a machine with more memory than yours :-) |
| 15:20.41 | TromBoeZoe | yoo,thanx |
| 15:21.03 | TromBoeZoe | good idea |
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| 15:26.09 | Osx86 | does anyone has migrate to etch x86_64 using xen? |
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| 15:27.22 | neosix | hello! |
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| 15:29.27 | bobf | What's up debian. |
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| 15:29.41 | joltcan | Surfs up |
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| 15:29.53 | bobf | How come my debian 'unstable' box has been up for 72 days? |
| 15:29.54 | bobf | I want a refund. |
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| 15:31.20 | abrotman | bobf: you haven't done any updates |
| 15:31.35 | chops | bobf: Unstable refers to the speed of development, not the reliability of the software |
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| 15:32.02 | bobf | Is there a way to make it more unstable? |
| 15:32.09 | stew | bobf: becuae you haven't been keeping up with kernel upgrades |
| 15:32.18 | abrotman | bobf: what is the output of aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:32.35 | stew | bobf: its not likely to get more unstable. hundreds of packages are changing a day as is |
| 15:32.50 | abrotman | assuming he's updated once since install |
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| 15:33.19 | chops | bobf: You can always randomly start installing Ubuntu packages if you'd like to decrease the reliability of your system :-) |
| 15:33.30 | bobf | chops: Now you're talking. |
| 15:33.34 | chops | bobf: (Not because Ubuntu is less reliable, but because mixing the two is a bad idea) |
| 15:33.35 | chops | :-) |
| 15:33.40 | Osx86 | How can i debootstrap a CentOs from my debian (xen use)? |
| 15:33.51 | bobf | All this stability's getting me down. |
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| 15:34.00 | abrotman | bobf: are you going to answer my question? |
| 15:34.00 | azeem | Osx86: debootstrap doesn't do centos |
| 15:34.23 | Osx86 | i heard about rpmstrap or rinse |
| 15:34.41 | Sandreas1 | hey there... |
| 15:34.48 | bobf | abrotman: I'm thinking about it. |
| 15:35.09 | stew | !info rpmstrap etch |
| 15:35.14 | dpkg | rpmstrap: (bootstrap a basic RPM-based system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.5.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
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| 15:35.20 | Sandreas1 | i am trying to install packages on a remote server and i get a strange error... its in german: |
| 15:35.34 | Sandreas1 | Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fehler! |
| 15:35.34 | Sandreas1 | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 15:35.34 | Sandreas1 | E: Ein Fehler trat beim Bearbeiten von epiphany-gecko auf (NewVersion1) |
| 15:35.34 | Sandreas1 | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 15:35.34 | Sandreas1 | E: Die Paketliste oder die Statusdatei konnte nicht geparst oder geöffnet werden |
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| 15:35.51 | Sandreas1 | mh thought 5 lines would be ok:) |
| 15:35.54 | Sandreas1 | sry |
| 15:35.57 | stew | Sandreas1: /msg dpkg mmap |
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| 15:37.06 | Sandreas1 | stew: /msg is not availabe |
| 15:37.33 | stew | dpkg: tell Sandreas1 about mmap |
| 15:37.43 | gemidjy | if when using BSD license u can make a proprietery software from what seems to be bsd licensed free software, then how is the BSD license included in the DFSG Licenses list? |
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| 15:38.28 | Absolute0 | Can find only find files and not directories? |
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| 15:38.59 | stew | gemidjy: becuase giving someone the freedoms use the software commercially doesn't violate any of the DFSG: /msg dpkg dfsg |
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| 15:39.15 | stew | Absolute0: use '-type f' |
| 15:39.26 | gemidjy | Absolute0: man find and search for 'type f' |
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| 15:39.56 | gemidjy | stew: yes, but the piece of software licensed under BSD can legally be turned into proprietery software |
| 15:40.01 | stew | gemidjy: if someone DOES make a derrivative work that is commercial, that derrivative work would not be fit for debian |
| 15:40.18 | gemidjy | stew: aha, i see |
| 15:40.21 | xerophytev | if you install source package with apt-get source package name .. where does the files goes? |
| 15:40.35 | stew | xerophytev: into the current directory where you ran apt-get source |
| 15:41.12 | Azar | stew: and viceversa |
| 15:41.14 | Azar | :) |
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| 15:42.31 | smax | I making 40 17 * * mon-fri apt-get upgrade | >> /home/smax/cronresult1.txt but it doesn't work it create empty file |
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| 15:42.52 | joltcan | smax: Remove the | |
| 15:42.53 | anvesh | how to install compiz-fusion |
| 15:42.57 | stew | Azar: i don't follow |
| 15:43.08 | xerophytev | stew: thx |
| 15:43.15 | smax | joltcat without | it also doesn't upgrade |
| 15:43.16 | Azar | stew: if you put it backwards same result |
| 15:43.23 | stew | smax: running apt-get upgrade unattended is considered dangerous |
| 15:43.34 | anvesh | my graphic card is ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] |
| 15:43.41 | joltcan | smax: apt-get -y upgrade >> /home/smax... 2>&1 |
| 15:43.45 | stew | Azar: i don't think so. unless i'm misunderstanding what you are saying |
| 15:43.52 | Azar | smax, stew .. unless using aptitude upgrade? |
| 15:43.57 | stew | Azar: no |
| 15:44.08 | stew | smax: joltcan's command would be even more dangerous to run unattended |
| 15:44.17 | joltcan | smax: but you probably want to do apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade && apt-get clean |
| 15:44.24 | smax | stew I wan't it crontab in log it is but id doesn't upgrade |
| 15:44.32 | stew | smax: you should not upgrade unattended |
| 15:44.34 | joltcan | smax: Install cron-apt instead |
| 15:44.46 | joltcan | smax: it will download and emayil you that there are new stuff available |
| 15:44.50 | smax | but why it doesn't work |
| 15:45.25 | stew | smax: becuase '| >>' is meaningless, you don't want |. but again. this is a bad idea |
| 15:45.29 | Azar | stew: if some commercial, proprietary company want to use a debian (not ubuntu) software they could not legally grab it unless they obey by GPL rules, which usually they don't |
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| 15:45.54 | gemidjy | smax: do u know what | is for? |
| 15:45.55 | stew | Azar: that is false |
| 15:45.57 | smax | stew without this line it also doesn't work |
| 15:46.00 | anvesh | when i try to connect my nokia N70 mobile through usb it is not getting detected |
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| 15:46.03 | smax | | is a pipe |
| 15:46.10 | anvesh | wat should i do |
| 15:46.19 | joltcan | smax: Yes, and you should not have a pipe there |
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| 15:46.29 | smax | anvesh install obexftp |
| 15:46.33 | smax | and mount |
| 15:46.43 | anvesh | ok one min |
| 15:46.46 | gemidjy | smax: so u to com1 | com2 u are saying that the stdout of com1 should be piped in the stdin of com2, right? |
| 15:46.51 | joltcan | smax: if you dont do apt-get upgrade | cat - >> /some/file |
| 15:46.55 | Justin | smax: just install apticron |
| 15:47.06 | gemidjy | s/u to/by |
| 15:47.07 | Azar | smax: you don't want to have upgrade on auto (unattended), some major system packages might be changed without your knowledge and input that requires you to reconfigure stuff |
| 15:47.16 | anvesh | ya i have installed |
| 15:47.22 | anvesh | what to do next |
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| 15:47.35 | smax | anvesh mount |
| 15:47.41 | smax | anvesh lsusb |
| 15:47.48 | anvesh | how..? |
| 15:48.01 | smax | there you can see is your nokia there |
| 15:48.05 | smax | lsusb |
| 15:48.24 | anvesh | yes its there |
| 15:48.59 | anvesh | smax how to mount it |
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| 15:50.13 | smax | what did you install obexftp or obexfs |
| 15:50.21 | anvesh | obexftp |
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| 15:50.37 | smax | install obexfs it is much easier |
| 15:50.50 | anvesh | smax this is what i get wen i type lsusb Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0421:043a Nokia Mobile Phones N70 USB Phone Parent |
| 15:51.00 | anvesh | k k |
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| 15:51.27 | anvesh | smax it is already installed |
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| 15:53.10 | Frosty-- | I'm trying to force the order of drivers |
| 15:53.10 | smax | man obexfs |
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| 15:53.33 | anvesh | yes man i have installed obexfs |
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| 15:54.32 | Frosty-- | I have 2 tuner cards and I want them in a particular order. So I blacklisted one module which is fine, and I added a modprobe command to /etc/rc.local . This doesn't load the module on startup but loads it if I manually put "/etc/init.d/rc.local start", whats wrong? |
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| 15:55.34 | smax | I add apt-get -y upgrade line in crontab and in output I have " ...]After unpacking 4096B of additional disk space will be used.Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Abort. " |
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| 15:55.51 | Justin | Frosty--: wouldn't it be easier to just load the modules in the order you want? |
| 15:56.09 | smax | why it is aborting? |
| 15:56.13 | Frosty-- | Justin, its loading the module by itself, there is nothing in /etc/modules |
| 15:56.28 | Frosty-- | if I put them in there in the right order should it work? I'll try |
| 15:56.54 | Justin | Frosty--: it might, udev is probably what is loading them, but you could just make your script run before udev I think, and have that just load them |
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| 15:58.38 | smax | who know why apt-get -y upgrade in crontab doesn't work. it chose abort |
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| 16:00.08 | smax | anvesh I don't have manual page of obexfs because I don't installed it but it is easy |
| 16:00.27 | anvesh | k k i will try thank you smax |
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| 16:01.55 | smax | anvesh as I remeber your should tell which device ( obexftp can list known devices) and than mount in the end of manual should be an example |
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| 16:02.55 | smax | anvesh mounted directory can't be listed in gnome nautilus |
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| 16:04.02 | TheLorax | if I download CD1 will I be able to install debian so that it will be able to boot on its own and install the rest from virtual iso's mounted from the HD? |
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| 16:04.29 | stew | TheLorax: yes |
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| 16:05.13 | smax | So Does anybody know why my apt-get -y upgrade is aborting when in crontab starting right in that place where I should enter yes |
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| 16:05.36 | orveldv | TheLorax: actually CD1 brings a fully functional desktop |
| 16:05.56 | stew | orveldv: yes, but there are packages he wants to install on other CDs onto a machine that won't be networked |
| 16:06.28 | orveldv | stew: hmm I see |
| 16:06.40 | TheLorax | orveldv, I haven't read the install docs yet, but can I not install a desktop if i choose? |
| 16:07.13 | stew | TheLorax: yes |
| 16:07.39 | orveldv | TheLorax: you're not forced to |
| 16:09.01 | smax | anvesh did you mount your device |
| 16:09.07 | TheLorax | alright, so just to recap, download CD1, install minimal install, transfer all DVDs via ethernet, then install the rest without burning the DVDs, just mounted isos. I have internet access, but it's limited. |
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| 16:10.43 | stew | TheLorax: yes, setup the dvd iso in fstab with "loop" in the options column. man apt-crom instructions on setting them up to be used |
| 16:10.55 | TheLorax | great! thanks. |
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| 16:11.04 | Venker | hi there |
| 16:11.42 | Venker | does anyone know how to convert Maildir to mbox? I used archivemail but it doesn't work |
| 16:11.53 | Venker | anymore, I mean |
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| 16:15.45 | smax | why -y parametr of apt-get upgrade work's when I enter it manualy and when it is in crontab it doesn't work |
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| 16:16.26 | abrotman | smax: you really really don't want to do that |
| 16:17.06 | smax | abrotman no I want do it |
| 16:17.17 | abrotman | have fun |
| 16:17.46 | grml | ls |
| 16:17.48 | grml | cd .. |
| 16:18.10 | smax | abrotman so can you help me why it doesn't upgrade my system automaticly |
| 16:18.17 | abrotman | no |
| 16:19.15 | smax | abrotman maybe it's a bug? and I should write bugreport? |
| 16:19.19 | stew | smax: do you understand why we think it is a bad idea? |
| 16:19.29 | smax | stew I understand |
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| 16:19.32 | smax | I want do it |
| 16:19.48 | abrotman | and you should be using aptitude for added complexity :) |
| 16:20.32 | zeitsofas | i hope i cant find help here ;) my web cam didn't run with luvcview and v4l2 http://pastebin.com/m1bbc192f some ideas how i can fix it ? |
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| 16:21.01 | smax | abrotman aptitude upgrade -y also doesn't work |
| 16:21.25 | abrotman | smax: I think what you're doing is a *really* bad idea. I have no desire to help you debug it |
| 16:21.48 | abrotman | smax: what you're trying to do will very likely result in a broken system |
| 16:23.06 | jelly | Venker: a dumb way is using mutt, if you don't need scriptability |
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| 16:23.56 | Venker | I'd prefer to use a script or something like that |
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| 16:24.23 | freebird | hello you guys |
| 16:24.26 | Venker | jelly, I have almost 3000 files (one per message) to convert to a single mbox file |
| 16:24.41 | jelly | Venker: but a single folder? |
| 16:25.11 | smax | abrotman I choose debian because it stable. And I belive that in this system I can do automaticly upgrades and I don't afraid like in ubuntu |
| 16:25.23 | abrotman | smax: that's nice |
| 16:25.25 | jelly | Venker: mutt -f some/maildir; T . <enter> ; C some-mbox <enter> |
| 16:25.58 | Venker | ok, thanks... I'll try now... |
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| 16:26.16 | stew | smax: debian doesn't put the same faith in itself |
| 16:26.24 | smax | I'll try do the same on another system and if not I'll write bug report. |
| 16:26.30 | freebird | I`m a slack user and I`m recently using debian, I know there`s a debian way to compile the kernle, but as far as I know, make, make modules_install should work for any distribution, but it didn`t for debian etch, did I miss somehting ?? I guess it`s something related to the initrd.img ?? |
| 16:26.44 | stew | freebird: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:27.43 | freebird | stew, tks man, but that was not my question, |
| 16:27.48 | jelly | freebird: if you used debian's .config as a starting point, you'll probably need to create an initrd image, yes |
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| 16:27.52 | freebird | I want to know why make make modules _install did not work |
| 16:28.00 | jelly | freebird: how did it not work? |
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| 16:28.09 | freebird | jelly, I got a kernel panic |
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| 16:28.32 | jelly | freebird: what kind of kernel panic? root fs not found? |
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| 16:28.51 | freebird | in slack all I do is, make menuconfig, make, make modules_install, copy from arch/i386/boot to /boot, confi grub and it works |
| 16:29.01 | freebird | jelly, yeah, fs |
| 16:29.29 | jelly | freebird: that's very old style. "make; make install" is all that needs to be done with 2.6 (initrd notwithstanding) |
| 16:29.30 | Venker | jelly, mutt saids my dir/ maildir is not a mailbox |
| 16:30.05 | jelly | Venker: then it didn't detect it as Maildir format. |
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| 16:30.32 | jelly | Venker: is it possibly that you only have files-in-some-directory, and not Maildir? |
| 16:30.35 | freebird | jelly, let me see if I understood, make modulesinstall, make, make install and copy the new kernel to /boot and config grub ? that`s it ? |
| 16:30.45 | Venker | fucking getmail... ¬_¬ |
| 16:30.48 | jelly | freebird: forget modules_install |
| 16:31.08 | stew | freebird: if "make" was able to cause a kernel panic, it is a problem with your currently running kernel or with your hardware, there is no way that a userspace program should be able to cause a kernel panic |
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| 16:31.17 | Venker | jelly, yes, I have lots of files in one single dir |
| 16:31.20 | stew | freebird: you might try testing your hardware with, for instance, memtest86 |
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| 16:31.31 | stew | freebird: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:31.32 | jelly | Venker: well, that's not a Maildir |
| 16:31.56 | freebird | stew, I`m recompilling the kernel I`m using right now, did not change anything |
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| 16:32.08 | stew | freebird: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:32.17 | freebird | freebird:/usr/src/linux# uname -r |
| 16:32.18 | freebird | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 16:32.26 | jelly | Venker: mkdir -p foo/{cur,new,tmp}, then move all your messages into foo/cur/, then use "foo" as a folder: mutt -f foo (etc) |
| 16:32.39 | stew | freebird: i'd recommend testing the hardware, starting with memtest86 |
| 16:32.52 | Venker | ah ok |
| 16:32.53 | freebird | stew, how`s that ? |
| 16:32.59 | jelly | stew: he just doesn't have the necessary drivers built in, so he needs an initrd |
| 16:33.00 | limbeaux | does anyone know of linux app similar to ms remote installation service, that will serve up windows os as well as linux installs? |
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| 16:33.04 | freebird | stew, how do I do that ? just run memtest86 |
| 16:33.08 | jelly | stew: hence, panic at boot |
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| 16:33.17 | klikklak | burning dvd-r (not +) requires root. why? |
| 16:33.28 | stew | jelly: he said he gets a kernel panic running a make command, which means a kernel bug or a hardware error |
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| 16:33.35 | jelly | stew: nope |
| 16:33.43 | Venker | jelly, I found the error, I did it wrong |
| 16:33.57 | stew | < freebird> I want to know why make make modules _install did not work < freebird> jelly, I got a kernel pani |
| 16:33.58 | freebird | stew, not when running make, when booting |
| 16:34.01 | stew | oh |
| 16:34.10 | jelly | !be a reading barbie |
| 16:34.10 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
| 16:34.34 | stew | then make modules_install did in fact work |
| 16:34.47 | freebird | yeah, but when I booted, I got a kernel panic |
| 16:34.50 | freebird | stew |
| 16:34.51 | stew | freebird: if you didn't make an initrd for that kernel, that is the problem. |
| 16:34.55 | jelly | stew: yeah yeah, ffwd to the real issue :-) |
| 16:35.08 | freebird | I see, how do I do that ? because in slack that`s not necessary |
| 16:35.29 | jelly | freebird: you used debian's .config which put everything in modules |
| 16:35.47 | freebird | jelly, I see |
| 16:35.49 | stew | freebird: we recommend using make-kpkg to compile your kernel and pass it the --initrd parameter so that it is done for you on install, failing that, we recomend using mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools to do it |
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| 16:36.40 | jelly | freebird: you'll have to either reconfigure and build the relevant drivers (your boot disk controller, ide or scsi disk support, root filesystem) in kernel, or use initrd |
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| 16:37.18 | freebird | stew, ok, I got that, one last question, let`s suppose I want to do the hard way, it would be, make modulesinstall, make, make modules_install, make install ?? what else ? how`s the initrd.img part ? |
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| 16:37.53 | stew | freebird: first, you don't need make modules_install, secondly, read my last message to you |
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| 16:38.35 | freebird | stew, i just don`t know how to do the mkinitramfs, |
| 16:38.49 | stew | freebird: man mkinitramfs |
| 16:38.56 | Venker | jelly, I can see all messages with mutt |
| 16:38.59 | freebird | stew, tks man |
| 16:39.17 | Venker | but I can't export them all, only the first |
| 16:39.27 | freebird | stew can you help me this very first time ? |
| 16:39.37 | stew | freebird: ok |
| 16:39.46 | freebird | I don`t even know what that does |
| 16:39.57 | stew | freebird: what which does? |
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| 16:40.24 | freebird | I just want to know when I`m supposed to use that, and where, |
| 16:40.35 | freebird | stew make, make install and ?? |
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| 16:41.03 | jelly | Venker: are they all tagged (*) or not? |
| 16:41.22 | Venker | yes, they are |
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| 16:41.35 | stew | freebird: an initrd needs to be created after the kernel is installed. we recommend creating a kernel package that does that for you. if you wnat to do it manually, you'd create the initrd after you install the kernel. we recommend using mkinitramfs to do that |
| 16:41.38 | jelly | Venker: so, type ";Cmailbox-name<enter>" |
| 16:42.15 | freebird | stew when you say install the kernel you mean place the kernel into /boot ?? |
| 16:42.16 | stew | freebird: an inird is a small linux system which is booted first which knows enough to prepare the kernel for mounting, and mount your actual root partition, then it passes control to your real linux init |
| 16:42.20 | jelly | Venker: the semicolon is important, it will Copy all the tagged messages instead of just the current one |
| 16:42.44 | Venker | ah OK, sorry |
| 16:42.47 | stew | freebird: usually, yes. this initrd needs to be custom tailored to the machine it is booting |
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| 16:44.12 | Venker | it seems it works... |
| 16:44.17 | freebird | stew, so, make menuconfig, make, make install, cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz and mkinitramfs |
| 16:44.24 | freebird | stew that would do it ? |
| 16:45.10 | stew | freebird: i would have thought that 'make install' would include copying the kernel to /boot, i've never seen someone copy it manually |
| 16:45.31 | stew | freebird: you will also have to update your bootloader, which bootloader are you using? |
| 16:46.09 | freebird | stew, I see, well, even if it does, the mkinitramfs part is correct ? |
| 16:46.21 | stew | freebird: i'd also recomend making both the vmlinuz and initrd.img files contain the version string in the filename |
| 16:46.32 | freebird | stew, because if I make a mistake, it will take like hours to fix it, lol, just that command will do it |
| 16:46.41 | freebird | stew, grub |
| 16:46.43 | stew | freebird: mkinitramfs is the comand i'm recommending, but it needs command line arguments |
| 16:46.55 | Venker | jelly, it's OK, thank you very much! :)) |
| 16:47.04 | freebird | stew, I see |
| 16:47.15 | jelly | Venker: great |
| 16:48.04 | freebird | stew tks a lof for your help man, I`ll search for that now, |
| 16:48.08 | freebird | stew tks man |
| 16:48.18 | stew | freebird: 'update-grub' will update grub for you, but again, you should be making sure your filenames are versioned, like "vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686" or sometihng |
| 16:48.57 | freebird | stew, I see, tks a lot man, I`ll do that |
| 16:49.55 | stew | freebird: and we'd seriously recommend looking into make-kpkg next time. in that case it would just be a matter of calling "make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-freebird ; dpkg -i ../linux-image-$someversion.deb" |
| 16:50.50 | simonrvn | a lot simpler to maintain, at least for users ;) |
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| 16:52.11 | freebird | stew, I agree, a lot easyer |
| 16:52.38 | freebird | stew, because in slack, all I do is, make menuconfig, make, make modules_install |
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| 16:54.02 | stew | freebird: that would work here, if your kernel were correctly configured for such a thing |
| 16:54.12 | stew | freebird: its not like we are using different makefiles |
| 16:54.52 | freebird | stew, that`s maybe because I took the old .config file correct ? the one that came with the debian installation ? |
| 16:55.25 | stew | freebird: yes, and that one is made generic enough to work on just about any machine, provided you create an initrd |
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| 16:55.35 | XoX | does someone still maintain backports.org ? |
| 16:55.38 | XoX | or is it obsolete |
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| 16:55.45 | stew | XoX: it is still actively maintained |
| 16:55.45 | freebird | stew if I download the latest one from kernle.org, will the slack way work ? |
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| 16:55.59 | XoX | kewl |
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| 16:56.38 | stew | freebird: it would be the same situation. you don't need an initrd if your .config is correctly configured |
| 16:56.48 | stew | freebird: if you had a config that worked in slackware, you could use it here |
| 16:56.49 | klikklak | strange burning with sudo k3b works. but sudo brasero doesn't |
| 16:56.58 | stew | freebird: or you could use a slackware kernel, for that matter |
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| 16:57.55 | freebird | stew, I se |
| 16:57.56 | freebird | e |
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| 16:59.03 | stew | freebird: and 'correctly configured' means that all the drivers needed to mount your / partition are compiled directly into the kernel (*) not as modules (M). this includes filesystem drivers (ext3?) and hard disk controllers (specific IDE/SATA/SCSI chipset drivers) |
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| 17:00.01 | freebird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.53 | stew | freebird: yes, and 'all those' are generally, just two, a filesystem, and a hard disk controller |
| 17:01.11 | stew | freebird: out of curiosity, why are you recompiling a kernel in the first place? this is generally not needed |
| 17:01.19 | freebird | stew great information man, |
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| 17:02.11 | freebird | stew, well, my kernel was compiled with an older gcc version, and now I`m trying to compile a vmware, that says no, because of that, so I need to recompile my kernel with this newer gcc version |
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| 17:02.32 | stew | freebird: what version of gcc are you compiling it with? |
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| 17:03.30 | freebird | stew freebird:/usr/src/linux# gcc --version |
| 17:03.30 | freebird | gcc (GCC) 4.2.3 (Debian 4.2.3-2) |
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| 17:05.04 | anvesh | using this site as reference i tried working on to connect my nokia n70 phone http://news.softpedia.com/news/Transfer-Files-To-And-From-Your-Nokia-Phone-63116.shtml |
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| 17:05.34 | anvesh | but after doing all mentioned i am unable to open created launcher |
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| 17:06.01 | noodlesgc | how many packages are available in the debian repository? |
| 17:06.08 | grand_grunt | Hm.. does somebody knows how to reconfigure sources.list? |
| 17:06.29 | anvesh | wat to do..? |
| 17:06.34 | grand_grunt | not manually, I want to re-do the install configuration, without reinstall |
| 17:06.37 | freebird | stew I`m doing the right thing right ? |
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| 17:07.00 | simonrvn | !dstats sid |
| 17:07.06 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 22874 packages, 1920 maintainers, 59333 MB installed size, 20703 MB compressed size. |
| 17:07.15 | anvesh | can any one help me out |
| 17:07.17 | leftnutofdoom | holy moly |
| 17:07.17 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.25 | freebird | stew stable |
| 17:07.32 | freebird | stew etch |
| 17:07.39 | simonrvn | !dstats etch |
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| 17:07.44 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18593 packages, 1730 maintainers, 41487 MB installed size, 13599 MB compressed size. |
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| 17:08.12 | noodlesgc | simonrvn thank you |
| 17:08.24 | Spec | i have an old server that was upgraded to etch...it's still got ipchains and ipmasqadm installed, it's fine to remove these, right? |
| 17:08.31 | simonrvn | np |
| 17:08.32 | dude_ | i'm on about backing my system using tar, should i just everything up.? would this be the safest |
| 17:08.44 | dude_ | typos! |
| 17:08.51 | anvesh | unable to connect my N70 phone |
| 17:08.55 | simonrvn | Spec: sure, unless you're still running a 2.2 kernel ;) |
| 17:08.57 | anvesh | how to do that |
| 17:09.17 | simonrvn | personally i don't know ;) |
| 17:09.19 | stew | grand_grunt: there is no way, other than stuff like netselect-apt or apt-spy that queries lots of mirrors |
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| 17:09.42 | stew | freebird: the other option is just to use the default gcc in etch, which is the same version as the one used to compile your kernel |
| 17:09.49 | Spec | simonrvn: right, it's 2.6 =p, just double checking |
| 17:09.55 | action09 | oy |
| 17:09.58 | stew | freebird: afaik. but i'm not the one to ask about vmware |
| 17:10.08 | dude_ | do i need sys, proc, lost+found, will i have to re-create these after i restore?? |
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| 17:10.22 | simonrvn | understandable |
| 17:10.42 | grand_grunt | stew: Mhh.. no way to re-do the installation procedure, without removing everything? |
| 17:10.45 | stew | dude_: sys and proc are not real files, they are dymically created by the kernel at runtime |
| 17:11.03 | dude_ | ok thanx thats what i needed to know, |
| 17:11.16 | eeccho | dude_, mnt also should not be backed up |
| 17:11.35 | freebird | stew tks for your help man |
| 17:11.37 | stew | grand_grunt: correct |
| 17:11.50 | simonrvn | grand_grunt: what? the (re)install is more than just sources.list |
| 17:11.59 | simonrvn | is missing something here |
| 17:12.04 | anvesh | can anyone help me out in connect my phone through usb |
| 17:12.07 | grand_grunt | stew: Ok... |
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| 17:12.14 | grand_grunt | stew: Thx. |
| 17:12.19 | rkeene | So if Debian Sarge 3.1 is no longer supported, is Debian still Carrier Grade Linux certified ? |
| 17:12.41 | dude_ | ok |
| 17:12.57 | eeccho | rkeene, at least there's 4.0 being supported |
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| 17:13.44 | grand_grunt | simonrvn: I thank, if they were no way to re-configure apt's sources.list, a good way would be to re-do install |
| 17:13.46 | rkeene | eeccho, But that's not a Carrier Grade Linux approved system, as far as I can tell. |
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| 17:15.17 | yacc | wonders if there are any tools to support a gradual archival of old data? |
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| 17:15.42 | xsdg | yacc: what do you mean by "gradual"? |
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| 17:15.58 | yacc | freshmeat gives me tons of backup scripts/programs/systems, ... |
| 17:16.19 | yacc | xsdg: simple, /home => USB disc => DVD-Rs, ... |
| 17:16.27 | yacc | Ok, it's anything but simple. |
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| 17:16.45 | xsdg | yacc: I have no idea what sort of pattern you mean |
| 17:17.07 | yacc | xsdg: simple, I've got all kind of stuff in ~ |
| 17:17.10 | simonrvn | grand_grunt: you don't have to do that |
| 17:17.11 | eeccho | rkeene, then the Grade is a bit outdated |
| 17:17.28 | yacc | xsdg: work areas for old customers that need to be archived |
| 17:17.35 | simonrvn | grand_grunt: /msg dpkg mirrors (do that here in irc) |
| 17:17.38 | yacc | xsdg: stuff that I tried out and do not use anymore |
| 17:17.43 | yacc | xsdg: and so on |
| 17:17.53 | yacc | xsdg: directories that contain fresh data |
| 17:17.53 | grand_grunt | simonrvn: I've found a "solution" : copy sources.list from another debian |
| 17:17.56 | rkeene | eeccho, Debian is the one who maintains the registration |
| 17:17.58 | xsdg | nods |
| 17:18.11 | rkeene | eeccho, The last version they certified was Debian 3.1: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian-CGL |
| 17:18.18 | grand_grunt | simonrvn: thx for the IRC command, let dpkg answer ^^ |
| 17:18.25 | grand_grunt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.34 | yacc | xsdg: now the problem is that I need to cleanout the cruft. My Laptop hdd has 100GB. My USB disc 500GB, and the number of DVDs I can burn is in theory infinite. |
| 17:18.34 | grand_grunt | lol |
| 17:18.49 | chops | yacc: Read up about incremental backups |
| 17:18.51 | stew | rkeene: if 3.1 is approved and 4.0 isn't, i wouldn't put much faith into such an approval |
| 17:18.52 | eeccho | rkeene, yep, but it's CGL which certifies debian, not vice-versa ) |
| 17:18.57 | yacc | xsdg: the problem is not loosing the control of that process. |
| 17:19.16 | xsdg | yacc: I think I see |
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| 17:19.27 | xsdg | yacc: what metric do you want to use for "this hasn't been touched in a while"? |
| 17:19.31 | yacc | chops: it's not about backups, that's a complete different pair of shoes. My problem is hierarchical migration of data from online to offline on media. |
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| 17:19.50 | yacc | xsdg: Well, I've been thinking about using atime for that, ... |
| 17:20.08 | yacc | xsdg: but somehow, I cannot believe that nobody else has touched this problem already. |
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| 17:20.21 | xsdg | yacc: that's not going to work well, I don't think |
| 17:21.00 | yacc | xsdg: well, atime plus a control file that marks stuff as "don't touch", manipulates atimes, timeouts, and so on. |
| 17:21.03 | xsdg | yacc: I might be wrong, but I think that a find on /home will update the atimes |
| 17:21.15 | yacc | xsdg: only on the directories. |
| 17:21.25 | xsdg | ok |
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| 17:21.42 | stew | xsdg: you are wrong |
| 17:21.45 | yacc | if at all. |
| 17:21.57 | XoX | say |
| 17:22.08 | XoX | why when removing a package that created a group it does not remove the group ? |
| 17:22.09 | stew | yes, the directories atimes would be touched |
| 17:22.29 | yacc | But back to my question, nobody else has scratched this particular itch. |
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| 17:22.35 | yacc | XoX: did you purge the package? |
| 17:22.40 | XoX | yes |
| 17:22.43 | XoX | aptitude purge |
| 17:22.46 | xsdg | yacc: I would imagine that most people/organizations do it manually |
| 17:22.48 | XoX | libsane for example |
| 17:22.52 | XoX | it never purges the group |
| 17:22.54 | XoX | never |
| 17:22.59 | xsdg | XoX: is there something like sane-common? |
| 17:23.03 | xsdg | XoX: if not, then file a bug |
| 17:23.29 | yacc | xsdg: that's an awful amount of work in practice. |
| 17:23.31 | XoX | does it remove for you? |
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| 17:24.21 | xsdg | yacc: not really, especially for multi-user systems -- you don't want to archive users who are still alive, but you want to archive users N days after their account is deactivated |
| 17:25.03 | xsdg | yacc: for more complicated situations, it can get a lot more complicated such that a general-purpose app might not work well |
| 17:25.25 | yacc | xsdg: Well, I wondered how far it would be possible to automate this, potentially by using something like a FUSE "archival" filesystem that keeps track of stuff like that. |
| 17:25.27 | Venker | see you :) |
| 17:26.03 | yacc | xsdg: ok, any hints for keywords to search for? archival doesn't give much, ... |
| 17:26.36 | xsdg | yacc: If I were doing this, I'd have a directory/list of directories to consider archiving immediate children of, then write a ruby script to stat the atime and mv if necessary |
| 17:26.56 | xsdg | yacc: which is, to say, "I'd write a script that does the obvious thing" |
| 17:27.04 | jelly | is there a way to see the parameters that were given to a kernel module on load? |
| 17:27.33 | yacc | xsdg: yeah, but that's again one more pmys. (privately maintained yacc solution) ;( |
| 17:27.43 | berzerka | is there a simple way to temporarily downgrade libglib-2.0? i have 2.14.6-1 installed (lenny). i want to revert to <=2.14.4 temporarily. i read about package pinning and prioritiers. the question is, is the history of releases still available in the repo? so if i now put version 2.14.4 "on hold" will apt be able to get it from the repo? |
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| 17:27.56 | xsdg | yacc: is the stuff you possibly want to archive stored in any particular directory, or scattered at various depths in your filesystem hierarchy |
| 17:28.10 | yacc | jelly: cat /proc/modules ? |
| 17:28.10 | xsdg | berzerka: snapshot.debian.net |
| 17:28.12 | stew | berzerka: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:28.15 | jelly | berzerka: you'll need to fetch it from snapshot.debian.net |
| 17:28.34 | stew | jelly: somewhere in /sys |
| 17:28.36 | berzerka | hey thanks! i will investigate :) |
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| 17:29.16 | yacc | xsdg: I have no idea what I want to archive. I only know that /home/andreas is getting bigger and bigger. And I haven't traveled enough last year, so it seems my hdd will not fail in time (so that I can replace it with a bigger one with good conscience). |
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| 17:29.43 | yacc | xsdg: /proc/modules seem to have the parameters of the modules currently loaded, seems at least so to me ;) |
| 17:29.56 | xsdg | yacc: I typically just run `du -csh ~/*`, find where most of the storage is being used, and recurse |
| 17:30.02 | xsdg | yacc: wrong person |
| 17:30.08 | yacc | xsdg: xdiscusage is useful. |
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| 17:30.24 | yacc | xsdg: wrong person and wrong answer ;) |
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| 17:30.41 | yacc | Even better, xdiscusage can work from du output :) |
| 17:30.46 | ljlolel | hi, i remember seeing this once: how do I program where windows are positioned when I open them? |
| 17:31.26 | xsdg | yacc: oh, cool |
| 17:31.55 | yacc | ljlolel: in general you don't that's what the windowmanagers decides. You can give him hints (hint: google), but it's up to the WM. |
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| 17:32.02 | xsdg | ljlolel: that's something that your window manager would handle (possibly by talking to your desktop environment's session manager) |
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| 17:32.18 | berzerka | okay i can see i can get the package there. now how would i proceed? will a simple dpkg -i *.deb actually _replace_ the newer, installed version? or do i have do deinstall and deal with missing deps first? |
| 17:32.19 | inteI | hello is there a way to install debian directly from windows? |
| 17:32.22 | yacc | ljlolel: and before you scratch to much your head, consider that there are persons (like me) that use curiosities like ion for a WM. |
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| 17:32.50 | xsdg | berzerka: it will replace the newer one |
| 17:32.55 | ljlolel | but i remember seeing a program that lets you write S-expressions to program where a window will open |
| 17:32.59 | xsdg | berzerka: that is, it will do the right thing |
| 17:33.01 | ljlolel | regardless of wm |
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| 17:33.14 | ljlolel | possibly not regardless*, but it worked in gnome |
| 17:33.19 | xsdg | ljlolel: I doubt that |
| 17:33.19 | berzerka | xsdg: and will be replaced upon next upgrade, unless i put the version on hold, right? |
| 17:33.29 | ljlolel | it had a weird name, like dragon's head or something |
| 17:33.40 | ljlolel | no, i've used it |
| 17:33.41 | xsdg | ljlolel: GNOME-compatible window managers can get hints from GNOME, so the WMs may have pulled the information that way |
| 17:33.48 | yacc | ljlolel: there are basically two methods for that in "X11": overrides (but that means that the WM does not get to even decorate the window), and wmhints. |
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| 17:34.00 | xsdg | ljlolel: but I'm pretty sure it's not totally independnt of what window manager you use |
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| 17:34.12 | xsdg | berzerka: correct |
| 17:34.14 | ljlolel | devil's pie! |
| 17:34.24 | berzerka | xsdg: yeah, apt rocks ;) thank you! |
| 17:34.39 | inteI | what's the package/driver for intel pro/wireless 3945abg? |
| 17:35.00 | xsdg | inteI: `apt-cache search intel 3945` |
| 17:35.11 | inteI | xsdg, if i had debian i wouldn't ask here |
| 17:35.24 | xsdg | inteI: google for "linux intel 3945" then |
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| 17:35.56 | ljlolel | http://burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie |
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| 17:36.45 | xsdg | ljlolel: I don't know, but I would imagine that it uses GNOME-specific functionality |
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| 17:37.02 | ljlolel | ya ithink it's only for gnome |
| 17:37.21 | abrotman | actually for metacity |
| 17:37.23 | themill | !ipw3945 |
| 17:37.23 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".. As of 2.6.24 in the kernel tree, see the firmware-iwlwifi package |
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| 17:37.50 | jelly | devilspie works reasonably well with xfce, too |
| 17:38.18 | jelly | it's not gnome dependant in any way... just that metacity is dumb enough that needs it |
| 17:38.41 | themill | dpkg: ipw3945 =~ /. As of 2.6.24 in the kernel tree, see the firmware-iwlwifi package/ If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>./ |
| 17:38.51 | xsdg | jelly: how would it "manipulate" windows in non-GNOME-compliant window managers? |
| 17:38.56 | abrotman | themill: FAIL |
| 17:39.02 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 17:39.02 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 17:39.04 | xsdg | jelly: would it work with twm? ion? ratpoison? |
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| 17:39.11 | jelly | xsdg: try it? |
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| 17:39.19 | rkeene | stew, As far as I can tell, Debian has not requested that any other version be certified |
| 17:39.31 | stew | rkeene: ok |
| 17:39.32 | xsdg | jelly: I'm not interested in the functionality; I just doubt that it can work generally, given the X architecture |
| 17:39.44 | themill | abrotman: one missing s.... (fixed in a pm to dpkg) |
| 17:39.50 | jelly | *shrug* |
| 17:39.54 | xsdg | rkeene: my guess would be that they don't actually care |
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| 17:40.51 | ljlolel | I try setting the title on a terminal, but it doesn't work: gnome-terminal --title='terminal abcd' |
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| 17:43.02 | jelly | xsdg: I have no clue about "X architecture", but those wmhints seems to be managed by fdo, not Gnome specific. http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-1.4.html |
| 17:43.41 | stew | rkeene: if you think that debian should be doing something about this, http://lists.debian.org/debian-project is the place to bring it up |
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| 17:44.34 | stew | xsdg: i don't think there is any such thing as "gnome compliant window manager" |
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| 17:44.58 | stew | xsdg: yes, what jelly siad. its freedesktop.org |
| 17:45.03 | xsdg | nods |
| 17:48.13 | ljlolel | when i open a new window from the terminal, how do i set it's title? |
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| 17:52.01 | jelly | ljlolel: gnome-terminal -t foo -e 'sleep 5' # works for me |
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| 17:52.47 | ljlolel | jelly, hey check this out, try just gnome-terminal -t foo |
| 17:52.56 | ljlolel | jelly, your command works for me too |
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| 17:53.12 | jelly | ljlolel: I won't, because my shell has funky title-setting PS1 set :-) |
| 17:53.13 | dcnoye | i am looking to reduce the amount of delay for darwin streaming server, what can i do to increase its performance currently its about 13 seconds |
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| 17:53.32 | gemidjy | does debian foundation have www? google doesn't show it |
| 17:53.42 | ljlolel | jelly, well, without the -e, the title setting doesn't work! |
| 17:54.21 | jelly | ljlolel: perhaps you have something weird in your shell setup as well |
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| 17:55.08 | jelly | ljlolel: what about, say, gnome-terminal -t foo -e 'bash -f' |
| 17:55.43 | ljlolel | it works,but no title set |
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| 17:56.10 | ljlolel | i don't understand this --, if i do gnome-terminal -t foo -e 'ls' , nothing opens |
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| 17:56.45 | jelly | ljlolel: it opens, does its work and quits very quickly |
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| 17:56.56 | ljlolel | oh, -e isn't persistent |
| 17:57.16 | ljlolel | wow thats annoying |
| 17:57.20 | jelly | ljlolel: persistent? It means "execute this command" |
| 17:57.33 | ljlolel | i mean, it doesn't keep the window open |
| 17:58.04 | jelly | the terminal will be open while the command is running (barring other options) |
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| 17:58.50 | jelly | ljlolel: open a terminal; does running echo -e "\e]0;foo\a";sleep 5 set the title for 5 seconds? |
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| 17:59.19 | jelly | ljlolel: if it does, it's your own shell setup that is messing with the title. |
| 17:59.29 | pocukrani | how i can kill all processes of user at once? |
| 17:59.32 | ljlolel | yes! |
| 17:59.50 | ljlolel | i see the line |
| 18:00.26 | chops | pocukrani: killall -u |
| 18:00.27 | ljlolel | sweet, it works! thanks |
| 18:00.31 | jelly | ljlolel: you'll need to analyze your shell's rc scripts and throw out the garbage |
| 18:00.58 | jelly | pocukrani: man pkill |
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| 18:01.19 | jelly | keeps away from killall :-) |
| 18:01.28 | pocukrani | chops, tnx, jelly ok |
| 18:01.42 | chops | pocukrani: Yes, be careful :-) |
| 18:01.53 | pocukrani | :) |
| 18:02.08 | J0N47H45 | hi.. why pkill instead of killall ? |
| 18:02.46 | simonrvn | because on solaris it kills *everything* |
| 18:02.49 | chops | J0N47H45: Why killall instead of pkill? :-) |
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| 18:06.06 | simonrvn | upon looking at the man page again, i am reminded of why it's better |
| 18:06.18 | Xcerca | is anyone familiar with vmware? i'm trying to figure out what version i nned to run windows progs on debian , is it the debain etch version that simulates debian on windows, or the other way around |
| 18:07.14 | chops | Xcerca: Are you thinking of wine, perhaps (run Windows programs within Debian)? vmware more allows Windows and Debian to run side-by-side with some amount of interaction between them |
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| 18:07.39 | chops | Xcerca: Also, vmware is proprietary software not included with Debian |
| 18:08.12 | Xcerca | yea i know |
| 18:08.25 | maligor | you could use virtualbox too |
| 18:08.29 | maligor | or kqemu |
| 18:08.31 | yacc | Xcerca: VirtualBox OTOH, is free software that provides the functionality of vmware, more or less. (Well, the GPLed version has no USB support) |
| 18:08.52 | simonrvn | debian doesn't run on windows... they're 2 different OSes |
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| 18:09.09 | yacc | simonrvn: it does, with the tender love and care from colinux ;) |
| 18:09.34 | yacc | simonrvn: although I'm almost sure that most Windows users would take that for a misleading answer :-P |
| 18:09.38 | simonrvn | i wouldn't consider that debian |
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| 18:11.17 | xerophytev | how can i remove or delete gpg key stored in my computer .. i want to clean it and regenerate one |
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| 18:11.42 | azeem | xerophytev: they are in ~/.gnupg |
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| 18:12.10 | xerophytev | azeem: sure, is there any gpg comment to remove private key |
| 18:12.55 | azeem | xerophytev: how is rm not enough? |
| 18:12.58 | xerophytev | azeem: i think i got it gpg --delete-secret-key |
| 18:13.05 | azeem | oh my |
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| 18:18.38 | HNT | Hello everybody, I'm running an NFS server and I would like to be able to hotplug a disk containing a share. But when I remove it, the NFS server crash, is there anyway to avoid that comportment ? |
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| 18:22.27 | yacc | HNT: restart the NFS server? NFS servers are not really "designed" for the modern hotplugging world ;) |
| 18:22.50 | chops | HNT: Are you unmounting the filesystem before removing the disk? |
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| 18:24.41 | HNT | chops : No, this is because it's an USB external disk and its alimentation is pluged on a power multiplexer that may be shuted down |
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| 18:25.27 | chops | HNT: You should unmount storage before removing the corresponding disk; tell whoever is shutting the disk down without unmounting it not to do that. |
| 18:25.39 | rjent | Greetings, needing help with kdm and xdmcp. I have a system I think is setup correct, but when a user trys to login I get Unknown session exit code 0 (sig 11) from manager process in log file |
| 18:25.52 | chops | HNT: That said, the NFS server should handle that more gracefully than crashing; it's probably worth a bug report against the NFS server |
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| 18:26.23 | chops | rjent: sig 11 is a seg fault; there's a bug in whatever software is exiting with signal 11 |
| 18:26.30 | HNT | chops : ok thanks for the advice |
| 18:26.34 | chops | HNT: np |
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| 18:28.12 | rjent | chops: it is kdm |
| 18:28.47 | chops | rjent: Then there's a bug in kdm. See if you can arrange to run it with debug symbols under a debugger and report a bug. |
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| 18:30.11 | chops | wishes for Linux to get Plan 9's "programs that seg fault stop and wait for a debugger to attach instead of aborting and maybe dumping a never-to-be-used core file" behavior already :-) |
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| 18:30.51 | rjent | chops: ok, that is probably more than I can do |
| 18:31.08 | chops | rjent: nod |
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| 18:31.37 | rjent | chops: where would I look for sessions with kdm, perhaps it is something simple causing kdm to crash |
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| 18:31.54 | chops | rjent: It could be that you're setting up kdm in a situation that doesn't make sense, which is why it's seg faulting... so you might be able to dodge around the problem. Seg faulting is generally always a bug, though. |
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| 18:32.50 | \amethyst | chops: http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/2006/07/27 mentions a utrace module to do just that |
| 18:33.19 | chops | rjent: Without knowing anything else, my bet is simply that your version of kdm doesn't handle being used with xdmcp because that functionality never gets tested. You might try xdm instead (even if it's only temporary for testing). |
| 18:33.22 | \amethyst | chops: I'm not sure if utrace is in the mainline kernel yet |
| 18:33.57 | rjent | chops: ok, I can also test gdm to see if same results |
| 18:34.58 | chops | rjent: Nod. I'd expect xdm to be the most simple and robust for testing, though you might want to switch to gdm for the deployment if it works and kdm doesn't |
| 18:35.28 | chops | rjent: Regardless of what happens, it would be polite to file a bug report against kdm summarizing whatever you finally find as the situation (and as much of your configuration as is convenient to include). |
| 18:35.43 | chops | \amethyst: This is very cool |
| 18:35.50 | rjent | chops: ok thanks |
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| 18:40.23 | chops | rjent: np |
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| 18:41.53 | abrotman | chops: are you pork? |
| 18:42.09 | chops | abrotman: In a sense |
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| 18:42.21 | chops | abrotman: When I was younger, I had big fierce sideburns |
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| 18:42.26 | chops | abrotman: Mutton chops |
| 18:42.30 | abrotman | chops: younger? |
| 18:42.30 | stew | abrotwurst |
| 18:42.35 | chops | abrotman: Hence... "chops" |
| 18:42.40 | abrotman | yes .. i'm a 5lb sausage in a 3lb casing :) |
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| 18:42.55 | chops | abrotman: Please no |
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| 18:43.11 | abrotman | chops: have you considered /nick burns ? |
| 18:43.18 | chops | abrotman: Heh |
| 18:43.27 | fredl | hi guys. I have a filesystem that I cannot umount. both fuser and lsof say nothing about opened files on the filesystem. |
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| 18:43.29 | abrotman | i could /nick beardy .. but it's taken :( |
| 18:43.30 | Guerin | nah, chops is more better |
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| 18:43.37 | abrotman | fredl: errors ? |
| 18:43.51 | fredl | abrotman: /backups: device is busy |
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| 18:44.06 | abrotman | fredl: so you did the `lsof | grep backups` ? |
| 18:44.14 | fredl | abrotman - yes. |
| 18:44.16 | abrotman | fredl: it could still be syncing ? |
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| 18:44.48 | fredl | abrotman - nope, I sync'ed. Also, I have the noatime flag on that FS, could that disable unmounting somehow? |
| 18:45.34 | fredl | abrotman - mount|grep backups says (rw,noatime) but when I try to touch a file on there it says the filesystem is read only |
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| 18:45.42 | abrotman | cute |
| 18:45.53 | chops | fredl: What's /proc/mounts say? |
| 18:46.09 | fredl | yeah, not really. It's my new USB disk and one of the things I noticed is that it keeps falling asleep sometimes. |
| 18:46.13 | chops | fredl: Is there anything interesting concerning that filesystem or device in dmesg? |
| 18:46.25 | sajes | I'm trying to get some files off of a virtualbox OS (WinXP), but none of the folder-sharing directions seem to work for me, even after installing samba. It gives no error message, and the folders are set up with the same share name, but when I browse the folder on my host OS (Debian), it's empty. In the virtual machine, it has 2.6GB of software in it. Any suggestions? |
| 18:46.32 | fredl | chops - /dev/sdg1 /backups ext3 ro,noatime,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 18:46.56 | mrbnet | I have installed etch on an IBM NetVista 8303. It seems that after about 48 hours it locks up. I don't see anything strange in the logs. Where might I begin to diagnose this problem? |
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| 18:47.15 | fredl | chops - yes there is, I think this happens because of the drive falling asleep after some time |
| 18:47.24 | chops | fredl: Yeah, it makes sense |
| 18:47.28 | abrotman | fredl: oh .. i had that happen .. i had to wake it up .. shut it off .. start it again .. or something silly |
| 18:47.29 | fredl | chops sd 4:0:0:0: [sdg] Device not ready: <6>: Sense Key : Not Ready [current] |
| 18:47.38 | abrotman | fredl: i'm very careful to not let it happen anymore |
| 18:47.49 | chops | fredl: Have you perhaps mounted it twice because an old mount became inaccessible? |
| 18:48.12 | chops | fredl: If you've mounted the FS read-only and run a 'sync', it's safe to just yank the cable |
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| 18:48.16 | fredl | so it gets a not ready somehow, after longer time of inactivity, then the first time you try to use it it needs to be woken up, that usually but not always happens without a problem. |
| 18:48.31 | chops | fredl: :-( |
| 18:48.50 | fredl | ah, I think is fell asleep during a jornal write this time: |
| 18:48.58 | fredl | EXT3-fs error (device sdg1): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal |
| 18:48.58 | fredl | Remounting filesystem read-only |
| 18:49.02 | fredl | well that explains that. |
| 18:49.04 | sajes | So noone has any suggestions? I've read the PDF, and that didn't help either. |
| 18:49.04 | abrotman | ew |
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| 18:49.25 | abrotman | sajes: which way are you sharing? |
| 18:49.51 | fredl | Hrmm, I'm going to reboot it and make a crontab that keeps the disk awake, don't have any clue how else to make sure it doesn't time out. |
| 18:49.53 | sajes | abrotman: I'm trying to get files off of the guest operating system in Virtualbox onto my host operating system. |
| 18:50.16 | abrotman | smbclient ? |
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| 18:51.25 | sajes | is "smbfs" necessary aswell? It shows up as a Suggested package when trying to install smbclient. |
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| 18:51.39 | lynucs_ | anyone managed to install skype on etch? |
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| 18:53.33 | Guerin | lynucs_: ask #skype |
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| 18:56.10 | enouf | fredl: is that one of those WD MyBook, or Passport drives? |
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| 18:58.00 | CircuflexAccent | someone is DoS'ing a server of mine.. how can i see which ip it's coming from? |
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| 18:58.21 | virgin18 | tcpdump |
| 18:58.34 | pipatron | wireshark |
| 18:58.45 | pipatron | iptraf |
| 18:58.48 | pipatron | netstat :) |
| 18:58.53 | virgin18 | netstat wouldnt work |
| 18:58.55 | prolix | tcpdump doesn't work from my terminal |
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| 18:59.04 | pipatron | prolix: How come? |
| 18:59.59 | prolix | pipatron: bash: tcpdump: command not found |
| 19:00.05 | virgin18 | install it |
| 19:00.06 | pipatron | ... :P |
| 19:00.23 | virgin18 | http://www.tcpdump.org/ |
| 19:00.23 | prolix | virgin18: apt-get install tcpdump? |
| 19:00.27 | virgin18 | yes |
| 19:00.32 | prolix | virgin18: thank you |
| 19:01.18 | pipatron | prolix: If you want a good GUI for tcpdump you can try to install wireshark |
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| 19:01.43 | pipatron | But tcpdump is like one billion times more lightweight |
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| 19:02.53 | pipatron | So hm. I'd like to run 2.6.24 on my Lenny install, but I'm probably not alone. Does anyone know if there's any good .deb already prepared by someone, and where I could get it? |
| 19:03.19 | stew | pipatron: http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.24 |
| 19:04.10 | prolix | is there a way to list which packages are available through apt-get? |
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| 19:04.20 | virgin18 | yes |
| 19:04.25 | virgin18 | try apt-cache |
| 19:04.27 | pipatron | prolix: You don't want all, use "apt-cache search keyword" |
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| 19:04.41 | prolix | virgin18 and pipatron: thank you |
| 19:04.45 | pipatron | prolix: For example "apt-cache search network log" |
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| 19:05.26 | pipatron | stew: I only find packages for sid there, would it be more or less safe to install one of those on my lenny machine? |
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| 19:06.12 | stew | pipatron: it would work fine on lenny. it would be wise to check the bts, /msg dpkg bts |
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| 19:06.32 | pipatron | stew: Thanks |
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| 19:09.01 | wsxws | hi all :) |
| 19:09.12 | virgin18 | hi sir |
| 19:09.23 | wsxws | what the syntax to search the whole system for file bigger than 50mb ? |
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| 19:10.02 | psycodad | find -size |
| 19:10.05 | pipatron | find -size +50M |
| 19:10.08 | pipatron | oslt |
| 19:10.33 | wsxws | thanks pipatron |
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| 19:12.23 | opensrcguru | for clarity ;), find / -size +50M |
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| 19:12.27 | wsxws | does anybody here know to to stop the logging of mysql ? |
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| 19:12.45 | wsxws | i just didnt have the + |
| 19:12.48 | wsxws | :) |
| 19:12.49 | stew | wsxws: remove the 'log' entry from /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 19:13.01 | wsxws | thanks again |
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| 19:14.58 | djmitche | Lintian is saying "W: amanda-backup-client: non-standard-dir-in-usr usr/libexec/", but I can't find mention of libexec in the policy manual. Should stuff that goes in libexec on other distros go in lib on debian? |
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| 19:15.50 | inteI | is debian install cd including intel wireless drivers? |
| 19:16.01 | stew | djmitche: the policy manual says that you should be following the fhs: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 19:16.10 | stew | djmitche: what files are going in libexec now? |
| 19:16.11 | prolix | ok. when i try apt-get install tcpdump i get an unmet dependency: libpcap0.8; when i try to apt-get install libpcap0.8 i get package libpcap0.8 has no installation candidate |
| 19:16.44 | stew | prolix: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:16.58 | prolix | stew: 4.0, i think |
| 19:17.01 | djmitche | stew: Amanda installs a bunch of its support executables in /usr/libexec |
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| 19:17.19 | stew | djmitche: what type of files? what should they do? |
| 19:17.19 | pipatron | inteI: Yes, if I'm not completely mistaken |
| 19:17.28 | stew | djmitche: where does debian's amanda packages put them? |
| 19:17.35 | inteI | and which cd (name) is that? |
| 19:17.40 | stew | pipatron: show us the output of "apt-cache policy tcpdump libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:17.49 | inteI | I mean what's the filename that I should fetch off the mirrors |
| 19:17.50 | pipatron | stew: tab-failure |
| 19:17.57 | djmitche | stew: they're ELF binaries |
| 19:18.05 | prolix | how would i find out which version i'm running? |
| 19:18.16 | stew | prolix: show us the output of "apt-cache policy tcpdump libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:18.24 | pipatron | prolix: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:18.30 | prolix | stew: ok |
| 19:18.32 | prolix | pipatron: thank you |
| 19:18.54 | djmitche | stew: they used to be in /usr/lib/amanda, but that's "nonstandard". I was under the impression that executables should not be in /usr/lib.. |
| 19:18.58 | stew | djmitche: then they should go into /usr/bin if they are executed by regular users, /usr/sbin for superusers, or /usr/lib/amanda if they are only validly called by other scripts. check to see what debian's amanda packages are |
| 19:19.01 | djmitche | (this is for a new version of Amanda) |
| 19:19.12 | prolix | it is 4.0 |
| 19:19.15 | stew | djmitche: that is standard, not nonstandard |
| 19:19.15 | enouf | fredl: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/12/335 |
| 19:19.33 | pipatron | inteI: Just get the first CD from the stable or testing for your platform |
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| 19:20.55 | stew | djmitche: the standard says, "/usr/lib includes object files, libraries, and internal binaries that are not intended to be executed directly by users or shell scripts." |
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| 19:21.06 | prolix | stew: pardon, but i'm on a different machine so i used: http://pastebin.com/m60b3b465 |
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| 19:21.25 | djmitche | stew, thanks -- that's what I needed to know :) |
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| 19:23.28 | stew | prolix: you mean that this output you are showing me isn't from the machine with the problem? or what? |
| 19:24.16 | prolix | stew: yeah, i could've been more precise. i couldn't /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:24.30 | prolix | stew: but that data is from the problem machine, yes. |
| 19:24.45 | stew | prolix: "/msg dpkg pastebin" was a command to type into your irc client |
| 19:24.48 | enouf | abrotman: chops just a FYI http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/12/335 concerning that usb disk suspends itself issue |
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| 19:25.33 | prolix | stew: well, i'm on a mac right now, since i can't build anything in debian, for some reason, and the apt-get command is weirding out on me. so i couldn't move the paste over to this machine to post it through my client. |
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| 19:26.08 | felixn | hey, anyone know the name of the python curses package for sarge? |
| 19:26.43 | fredl | enouf - thanks, that helps! |
| 19:27.00 | Rat409 | try debian pkg search for oldstable |
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| 19:31.16 | stew | felixn: curses is builtin to python |
| 19:31.19 | abrotman | enouf: icky solution |
| 19:31.22 | stew | felixn: so the package name is "python" |
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| 19:31.43 | stew | !find curses/__init__.py oldstable |
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| 19:31.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'curses/__init__.py' (5 of 6): (/usr/lib/python2.4/curses/__init__.py) in python/python2.4 ;; (/usr/lib/python2.1/curses/__init__.py) in python/python2.1 ;; (/usr/lib/python2.3/curses/__init__.py) in python/python2.3 ;; (/usr/lib/python2.2/curses/__init__.py) in python/python2.2 ;; (/usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/curses/__init__.py) in interpreters/gnue-forms-wxgtk. |
| 19:32.18 | inteI | stew, do you know what image should i download to install debian (via wireless - which cd image includes the drivers)? |
| 19:32.34 | stew | inteI: for which wireless chipset? |
| 19:32.52 | stew | prolix: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libpcap0.8" ? |
| 19:33.10 | prolix | stew: yes, i can. one moment, please. |
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| 19:34.13 | prolix | stew: here it is: http://pastebin.com/m1455834f |
| 19:34.27 | moshii | whats that one-liner to purge all removed packages? |
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| 19:35.06 | Rat409 | autoclean? |
| 19:35.17 | pipatron | autoremove? |
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| 19:35.22 | stew | no and no |
| 19:35.30 | moshii | inteI: wireless will be difficult unless you have one of the chipsets that has a driver and doesn't require non-free firmware |
| 19:35.44 | pipatron | moshii: He's got an intel chip |
| 19:35.52 | Rat409 | lol |
| 19:36.05 | stew | moshii: aptitude purge '~c' |
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| 19:36.17 | pipatron | moshii: I think they use a ~no-free firmware but a free driver :/ |
| 19:36.23 | enouf | abrotman: fredl i'm still trying to grasp just wtf is going on; but i've heard quite a few in various channels complain about this - so i knew there was bugs filed somewhere about it - never had the issue myself (it seems that it applies to those hardware vendors' bundled Drive[+]Enclosure all-in-one products aka; Western Digital's MyBook / Passport, or Seagate FreeAgent and such), but even iPods and others so it seems. I'm still reading |
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| 19:36.35 | inteI | stew, intel pro/wireless 3945abg |
| 19:36.36 | stew | moshii: and that chipset doesn't exist |
| 19:36.42 | moshii | stew: ah, cheers. The thing I was thinking of had some awk and stuff in there :) |
| 19:36.55 | enouf | (never had an issue == i don't even use anything USB ;-)) |
| 19:36.58 | moshii | stew: There are chips that dont need non-free firmware |
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| 19:37.06 | stew | moshii: which? |
| 19:37.07 | pipatron | moshii: Which ones |
| 19:37.09 | stew | moshii: i've never heard of one |
| 19:37.12 | pipatron | would like |
| 19:37.13 | moshii | stew: Raltek usb dongles |
| 19:37.28 | stew | moshii: oh, i thought we were talking specifically about intel |
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| 19:37.38 | moshii | stew: the foss drivers are also good and the cards are good for injection etc |
| 19:37.45 | pipatron | I need to replace my 11 mbit mini-PCI card |
| 19:38.10 | moshii | stew: nah, I was speaking in general.. if it doesn't have an in-kernel driver and firmware you're SOL getting installed with it ;) |
| 19:38.11 | fredl | enouf - it seems like a bit of an odd problem. I'm not sure why autosuspending power to a USB device is a logical thing to do. Never mind that when a device has it's power suspended the kernel doesn't deal with writes to the device properly by re-powering on the device. |
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| 19:38.57 | fredl | that said, I think that turning off power to a 500GB USB drive is kinda, well uhh 'strange' |
| 19:39.10 | fredl | particularly when it's mounted. |
| 19:39.14 | themill | fredl: there are a lot things about suspending devices that make little sense both on linux and on other legacy operating systems. |
| 19:39.16 | pipatron | fredl: An idle device - no matter what type - should not consume any power. |
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| 19:39.28 | pipatron | Ideally, of course |
| 19:39.33 | moshii | fredl: this has come up before, so people use a cronjob to keep the drive awake |
| 19:39.48 | enouf | fredl: no idea, but it's one thing for it to "fall asleep" after being mounted and not used for some time - it's another thing and worse for it to do it while writes are going on or a syncing still needs to be done. nasty shit, imo |
| 19:40.07 | fredl | moshii - which is exactly what I'm doing right now but CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND shows a potentially better way. |
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| 19:40.58 | moshii | enouf: the drive doesn't know that there is dirty data memory,.. the drives shouldn't sleep without telling the os though |
| 19:41.02 | fredl | moshii - it's just that it's not exact science though is it? I mean how am I supposed to know what is the idle time? |
| 19:41.13 | themill | pipatron: that's not my reading of the usb spec though. it allows an idle or even "suspended" device to draw 500 uA. |
| 19:41.18 | stew | inteI: there is no official installer which will be able to do that over wireless, since that wireless card requires non-free firmware. is there a way that you could install do the install via ethernet? |
| 19:41.39 | moshii | fredl: the ideal time can probably be set with some dos tool from the people that made the drive |
| 19:41.46 | fredl | hehe |
| 19:41.48 | moshii | fredl: idle |
| 19:41.50 | fredl | prolly |
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| 19:42.09 | fredl | they must die. kill maxtor :P |
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| 19:42.54 | moshii | fredl: linux should be able to handle usb devices that drop out for a millisecond or so better though |
| 19:42.55 | pipatron | themill: I'm fine with 500 uA :P |
| 19:43.03 | inteI | stew, I have the 4.0 install cd already - can't I just download the non-free packages in windows and add them somehow to the debian netinst partition? or that's not 'imaginable' ? |
| 19:43.21 | moshii | inteI: you could roll your own installer cd |
| 19:43.27 | S4nD3r | Hello... I need a tip... Which IDE to use to programm in C? Fast one !!! Im running gnome |
| 19:43.38 | pipatron | Vim |
| 19:43.53 | themill | pipatron: yes, but what if the user unplugged the device while the computer was suspended... that's where you hit problems. |
| 19:44.03 | stew | inteI: the 4.0 install cd doesn't even have a driver. you could try a kmuto installer, which had a drive but no firmware: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:44.05 | moshii | inteI: why do you need to install over wireless though? There must be 3 or 4 other ways you could install that machine, you have an os already for starters |
| 19:44.09 | S4nD3r | Is possible to compile from vim ? |
| 19:44.21 | themill | S4nD3r: no, of course not. |
| 19:44.23 | pipatron | S4nD3r: yes, ":make" will compile and print the output |
| 19:44.24 | stew | inteI: then you'd have to use the iwl3945 module with the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free |
| 19:44.33 | moshii | S4nD3r: you can execute shell commands from vi |
| 19:45.05 | S4nD3r | ok then... |
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| 19:45.13 | S4nD3r | I will run anjuta anyway |
| 19:45.17 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 19:45.18 | S4nD3r | bye |
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| 19:45.35 | themill | I really wish he'd learn to read, listen, .... |
| 19:45.35 | enouf | fredl: and abrotman FWIW, i noticed a similar issue when mounting my CDs (Installation CDs that were burned from ISOs). If say after a day of not using it, and leaving it alone, then i try say to run "isoinfo -d dev=/dev/hdb" it fails, spitting out a hald generated error every two seconds- Device Busy, CTRL-C that, try again, same thing lsof and fuseer are of no help. Nothing in dmesg. Only when i issue an "eject /dev/hdb" (OPenTray) follow |
| 19:45.35 | enouf | a "eject -t /devhdb" (Close Tray) does it then become available again - i reported this to the #cdrkit folks (debburn) on oftc.net - nobody says anything for days now |
| 19:45.55 | inteI | moshii, what's the other way? i only have windows and wireless. not even blank cds |
| 19:46.02 | enouf | moshii: you don't have to tell me what it should or should not be doing ;-) |
| 19:46.03 | pipatron | /join #channel; HELO! plz i need program to do foo!!!; ok thanks but I don't care, bye!!!!!!!; part |
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| 19:46.20 | inteI | stew, and i still need a full 700mb debian image? or the netinst can do? |
| 19:46.25 | moshii | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.49 | enouf | moshii: it's just fucken stupid, IMHO for a drive to sleep like that |
| 19:46.57 | moshii | inteI: you could use the goodbye windows thing |
| 19:47.01 | fredl | cool http://www.kloonigames.com/crayon/ |
| 19:47.17 | Avernos | hello, i plugged in a pcmcia card for wireless, and i cant make it work. do i have to do anything tu make pcmcia work? |
| 19:47.21 | moshii | enouf: yeah, I wonder why the kernel doesn't pick up on drives sleeping. seems pretty basic |
| 19:47.21 | themill | pipatron: yep, that's the usual pattern of his questions. That or spend hours asking the same non-question and ignoring all replies. |
| 19:47.56 | moshii | Avernos: pcmcia (there are a few different types however) should just work, we need to know what card/chipset it is |
| 19:48.12 | stew | inteI: the netinst can do, check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller for instructions on customizing the cd (which for you should just mean sticking some stuff into /lib/firmware) |
| 19:48.25 | Avernos | chipset ralink is a conceptronic c54rc |
| 19:48.26 | enouf | moshii: likely a failing of a combination of USB stack, hald, dbus, udevd, and drivers involved, libata, scsi_mod, etc |
| 19:48.35 | stew | inteI: can you put the harddrive into another machine with ethernet? |
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| 19:49.20 | Avernos | when i plug it in, one led lights for a second and then gone... |
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| 19:49.28 | moshii | enouf: either that, or the sleep event of the drives native bus doesn't get translated by the bridge do the work |
| 19:49.49 | wsxws | im off again, thanks again and a nice evening |
| 19:50.18 | helo | is there any program that one can pipe a binary into to execute it, as ludicrous as that may sound? |
| 19:50.51 | pipatron | ludicrous speed |
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| 19:51.02 | jelly-home | helo: whut? |
| 19:51.07 | moshii | enouf: still, the kernel should recover better... if the power goes out for a second or so on one of my usb raid1 disks it all goes to hell |
| 19:51.13 | helo | i want to store these binaries encrypted on disk |
| 19:51.31 | themill | helo: ewww..... but "cat - > foo; chmod u+x foo; ./foo" would do it.... |
| 19:51.46 | themill | helo: insert usage of mktemp yourself. |
| 19:51.53 | jelly-home | !win themill |
| 19:51.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:52.01 | themill | weeeee! |
| 19:52.16 | helo | an authentication program phones home, and identifies itself, and receives a key to decrypt the binary... i don't want that decrypted bin ever written to disk |
| 19:52.17 | jelly-home | themill: stolen my obvious stupid answer, you have! |
| 19:52.27 | helo | mktemp, okie dokie |
| 19:52.34 | moshii | helo: but it'll be in memory.. |
| 19:52.45 | pipatron | helo: If you don't, then you have to write your own tool, since any program already existing would be able to swap it out to disk |
| 19:52.49 | moshii | helo: if someone really wants it they'll take it from there |
| 19:52.53 | jelly-home | I've gotten up to #!/bin/sh \n temp=`tempfile`; cat |
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| 19:53.00 | themill | helo: nothing you do will be safe against someone who cares enough to try.... |
| 19:53.05 | inteI | stew, what about the ahci thing? will it boot with it or should i bios disable it? |
| 19:53.15 | themill | jelly-home: *grin* that's why I just said foo... couldn't be arsed with the rest of that |
| 19:53.20 | jelly-home | pipatron: use tmpfs or ramfs to store the file! |
| 19:53.47 | jelly-home | pipatron: (whichever of two is the one that can't be paged off to disk) |
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| 19:53.59 | helo | i primarily don't want people to be able to power down the machine, take its drive out, clone it, and have an unencrypted binary... im not so concerned about someone getting root access and dumping the memory... |
| 19:54.14 | moshii | helo: they could also replace your loader with a modified version, so you'd need that on RO media or using signed binaries |
| 19:54.19 | helo | themill: the same could be said about any security precaution, as far as "someone who cares enough to try" |
| 19:54.24 | themill | helo: you could load the file into a data segment and then try to jump to that memory address. But that will start looking like an attempted buffer overflow at some stage... |
| 19:54.24 | pipatron | helo: I think you want to encrypt the disk |
| 19:54.31 | sarefo | i need to umount a partition, it says it's busy, but i'm pretty sure it's ok to umount it. umount -f won't do it, are there any other ways? |
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| 19:54.37 | pipatron | helo: There are many tools for that, or encrypt a file on the disk and mount the file |
| 19:54.42 | jelly-home | themill: my grsecurity kernel wouldn't like that. |
| 19:54.42 | helo | pipatron: it is infeasible for someone to have to type a password on boot |
| 19:54.45 | themill | helo: Why not just release the under the GPL and then you don't have to |
| 19:54.48 | moshii | sarefo: -l .. which is bad etc blah |
| 19:54.50 | themill | worry about such things |
| 19:54.53 | pipatron | helo: You only have to type it when mounting the binary |
| 19:54.58 | helo | themill: not my call :) |
| 19:55.01 | pipatron | s/binary/file/ |
| 19:55.21 | themill | jelly-home: I would hope so ;) |
| 19:55.23 | Brice_ | hi, my HTPC (etch) has a Twinhan DVB-T card http://paste.debian.net/51478. I can not modprobe dvb-bt8xx (FATAL: Module dvb_bt8xx not found. |
| 19:55.23 | Brice_ | )... how can i install this module |
| 19:55.33 | sarefo | moshii: will i be able to format the partition after umount -l ? |
| 19:56.03 | moshii | sarefo: probably. you should check out lsof to see what is stopping the umount |
| 19:56.17 | Brice_ | The Twinhan worked on my Desktop |
| 19:56.26 | helo | pipatron: hmm... that's an idea... |
| 19:56.31 | pipatron | Brice_: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Module%20dvb_bt8xx%20not%20found%22 maybe? |
| 19:57.08 | moshii | helo: you probably want an encrypted binary that is look to that machine so how. i.e. proper protection |
| 19:57.10 | helo | what about writing the binary to /dev/shm/ and executing it there? |
| 19:57.17 | moshii | helo: s/look/locked |
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| 19:57.48 | chops | enouf: So that post makes it sound like his problem is considered a kernel bug (because the device needs to be added to the quirks list) |
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| 19:58.08 | helo | moshii: wouldn't that require some kind of hardware dongle to do very well? |
| 19:58.09 | moshii | helo: unless the program is protecting itself, like commercial copy protections do, anything you could do is a bit of a waste of time. secure the machine properly so that no one has access to take the program |
| 19:58.25 | Brice_ | pipatron: Puppy link is down, and the other links i don't understand because of foreign language |
| 19:58.30 | pipatron | Brice_: I see |
| 19:58.38 | stew | inteI: i don't know anything about it |
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| 19:58.41 | sarefo | moshii: thx for lsof, i totally forgot about this one. it will come in handy when i forgot on which konsole i have the partition still opened. |
| 19:59.19 | stew | sarefo: "fuser -m mountpoint" is easier |
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| 19:59.31 | nyk2005 | How do I get /dev/rtc in debian? |
| 19:59.54 | pipatron | nyk2005: Are you from china? |
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| 20:00.09 | nyk2005 | pipatron: no, switzerland |
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| 20:00.21 | pipatron | nyk2005: Damn, sorry, should have known :) |
| 20:00.26 | nyk2005 | pipatron: why? |
| 20:00.37 | maligor | the host probably |
| 20:00.41 | moshii | stew: that fuser thing is nice :) |
| 20:00.44 | pipatron | nyk2005: I confused the swiss top domain with china... ".ch" |
| 20:01.15 | nyk2005 | pipatron: ah yes, the swiss got the better TLD.. :) |
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| 20:01.29 | moshii | nyk2005: you need to load the rtc module and maybe create the dev node... that's if you have a rtc in the machine |
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| 20:02.01 | nyk2005 | moshii: modprobe rtc failed with Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.9-022stab078.21-enterprise/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 20:02.07 | prolix | looks like i have a ton of reading to do |
| 20:02.10 | prolix | afk |
| 20:02.18 | moshii | nyk2005: is that a vm? |
| 20:02.29 | nyk2005 | moshii: yes it a virtuozo VM |
| 20:02.45 | moshii | nyk2005: you probably don't have access to the hardware clock, hence don't have /dev/rtc |
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| 20:03.18 | nyk2005 | moshii: I want mplayer to run on it to capture a stream, but it seems to need /dev/rtc... or maybe that wasn't the problem, but this other error: " Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/codecs/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll" |
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| 20:03.47 | nyk2005 | moshii: maybe the /dev/rtc problem is ignorable..? |
| 20:03.49 | moshii | nyk2005: the kernel gets it's time from the host and you can't use the RTC for timing because with loads of vm's running that would be nasty.. |
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| 20:04.25 | moshii | nyk2005: I think so, mplayer will use the tick off of the real clock for some stuff if it can get access to it, but it's not needed |
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| 20:04.55 | nyk2005 | moshii: but maybe mplayer can use an other source... so the other error is the problem. I want it to play a MJPEG stream. |
| 20:05.26 | moshii | nyk2005: you need the win32 codecs by the look of it |
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| 20:05.37 | moshii | nyk2005: what is the format of the stream you are capturing? |
| 20:05.53 | nyk2005 | moshii: I have the win32codec package installed |
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| 20:06.15 | moshii | nyk2005: stat /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 20:06.15 | nyk2005 | moshii: MJPEG |
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| 20:06.24 | damaltor | hi everybody. i am using an old computer as server, debian etch minimal with apache/sql/php/... "standard" things. no X, only command line system. i want to optimize the system a bit, 1. to mae it faster and 2. to reduce harddisk activity, so the hdd can spin down more often because that noise is really makeing me nervous. any hints? |
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| 20:06.34 | flex | OMG! DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC! IT CAN'T ________, BUT WINDOWS CAN _____ JUST BY CLICKING _______! |
| 20:06.41 | moshii | nyk2005: hmm that should be a native decoder then |
| 20:07.01 | stew | flex: lose the caps. do you have an actual question? |
| 20:07.16 | flex | haha, sorry it was a joke :p |
| 20:07.17 | pipatron | flex: 1) crash, 2) crash, 3) anything |
| 20:07.25 | flex | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian#Debian_IRC_support |
| 20:07.26 | dvs | heh |
| 20:07.39 | stew | flex: please stop |
| 20:07.39 | moshii | pipatron: debian can crash. don't be silly |
| 20:07.43 | huhlig | is there a command line program I can use to do a bandpass iir filter on mp3 files? |
| 20:07.50 | flex | bah, wasn't the responses i was looking for :( |
| 20:08.06 | huhlig | also known as equalizer filter |
| 20:08.11 | pipatron | moshii: Yeah ok, I know that :P |
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| 20:08.17 | stew | flex: unless you have an actual question, please just move on. or try #defocus if you are just looking to socialize |
| 20:08.20 | moshii | huhlig: I think you'd have to decode it into a pcm stream to do that.. |
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| 20:08.27 | nyk2005 | moshii: when I play the stream on gentoo, it reports the format to be "libavformat file format detected." |
| 20:08.28 | huhlig | ok |
| 20:08.34 | huhlig | thats what I thought |
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| 20:08.39 | flex | stew, it was a joke, lighten up :) i'll shhh now, sorry. |
| 20:09.04 | moshii | huhlig: your player of choice might be able to do that before it passes the decoded stream to the hardware.. |
| 20:09.18 | themill | damaltor: laptop-mode facilities can allow the disk to spin down more often. Less PHP/mysql muck and more static pages will help with server load in general. |
| 20:09.19 | huhlig | no I need to save it back to mp3 |
| 20:09.20 | pipatron | damaltor: It's not that trivial, especially for a server |
| 20:09.29 | pipatron | damaltor: If you want it to log stuff |
| 20:09.54 | damaltor | pipatron: no need for full logging, only some error logs would be enugh... |
| 20:11.07 | andre__ | have any of you had problems installing debian 4.0 on accer laptop |
| 20:11.19 | damaltor | themill: even when no pages are sent out, e.g. the lan cable is pulled out, the hdd is used every 15-30 secs (must be only a few bytes as the sound is short, but enough to keep it running... set the spindown time to a shoerter value, but then it only spins up and down all time :( ) |
| 20:11.42 | stew | andre__: check the urls in "/msg dpkg laptop" for installation reports |
| 20:11.58 | damaltor | themill: set laptop_mode to 5, without noticing any difference. what would you say to that value? |
| 20:12.00 | pipatron | damaltor: You can check exactly which processes are writing to disk and when, with this command: "sysctl vm.block_dump=1", if that's of any help |
| 20:12.06 | pipatron | damaltor: All writes will show up in dmesg |
| 20:12.08 | nyk2005 | moshii: strange... doesnt work... |
| 20:12.41 | damaltor | pipatron: oh nice, will try that. what about that laptop mode number? |
| 20:12.48 | themill | damaltor: laptop-mode will allow the kernel to keep stale caches for longer which helps with that... don't know about specific values though. Also turn down logging on services. If you have enough memory, get rid of swap, etc. |
| 20:12.59 | pipatron | damaltor: Also make sure to mount your drives with "noatime" |
| 20:13.17 | damaltor | what does noatime do? |
| 20:13.22 | pipatron | google for it :P |
| 20:13.22 | stew | damaltor: assuming you are using ext3, google for how to increase the commit interval to something larger when mounting |
| 20:13.33 | damaltor | ok |
| 20:13.38 | themill | damaltor: man mount |
| 20:13.41 | pipatron | http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_reduce_power_consumption#ATA_drives |
| 20:13.52 | pipatron | use thinkwiki because /me use thinkpad |
| 20:13.59 | damaltor | themill: k thx :D |
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| 20:14.30 | damaltor | pipatron: 99% of the writes seem to come from kjournald. 1. do i need it and 2. how do i reduce it? :) |
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| 20:14.50 | zinx | damaltor: 1) yeah, 2) noatime,nodiratime possibly |
| 20:14.58 | damaltor | ok |
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| 20:16.09 | pipatron | damaltor: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0110.2/1248.html |
| 20:16.18 | pipatron | Just 7 years old thread |
| 20:16.21 | damaltor | thanks |
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| 20:17.53 | damaltor | what does this mean? |
| 20:17.54 | damaltor | http://www.linuxinsight.com/files/iostat-2.2.tar.gz |
| 20:17.56 | damaltor | .. |
| 20:17.59 | damaltor | sry wron paste |
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| 20:18.07 | damaltor | bash(2814): dirtied inode 47996 (sbin) on hda1 |
| 20:18.07 | damaltor | bash(2814): dirtied inode 47992 (bin) on hda1 |
| 20:18.13 | damaltor | what is dirty here? |
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| 20:18.43 | jelly-home | laptop-mode-tools enable most of the options mentioned (noatime, write delays) and are rather configurable |
| 20:18.52 | asoare | hello |
| 20:18.59 | stew | damaltor: most like, the atime |
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| 20:19.00 | zinx | laptop-mode-tools can set noatime/nodiratime? o_O |
| 20:19.05 | asoare | is this a good place to talk about gsoc ? |
| 20:19.13 | jelly-home | zinx: among other things, yes |
| 20:19.23 | pipatron | Better set them in fstab |
| 20:19.32 | pipatron | You never need it |
| 20:19.34 | jelly-home | zinx: nodiratime is implied by noatime, btw |
| 20:19.39 | nyk2005 | Is there a simpler way to capture a MJPEG stream than using mplayer? |
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| 20:20.15 | jelly-home | pipatron: mutt use(d to?|s) atime for some reason |
| 20:20.20 | pipatron | damaltor: "dirty" just means that a page in memory has been written to, so it has to be dumped back to physical disk |
| 20:20.29 | asoare | is this a good place to talk about gsoc ? |
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| 20:20.30 | damaltor | ah ok |
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| 20:20.39 | pipatron | jelly-home: Yeah, but I assumed he didn't use mutt directly on the server, I might be wrong there |
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| 20:21.04 | jelly-home | also, postfix' fast flush feature uses atime |
| 20:21.24 | GuilhermeBrant | hey,I have windows and debian installed here...Now when I tried to start debian,I could login because of lack of space...I'm in windows now,what to do to fix it? |
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| 20:21.34 | jelly-home | pipatron: other than that, I think it can be enabled with no ill consequences |
| 20:21.36 | zinx | jelly-home: there's always relatime |
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| 20:22.17 | jelly-home | zinx: no, there's not always $newfangled_feature_not_available_in_my_kernel |
| 20:22.34 | zinx | jelly-home: psh, one can upgrade :P |
| 20:22.44 | jelly-home | one can schedule downtime, sure |
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| 20:22.58 | zinx | jelly-home: on a laptop, i'm sure that's not a difficult task |
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| 20:23.20 | jelly-home | hm, so which is it, a server or a laptop? |
| 20:23.31 | zinx | servers don't need the disk to sleep |
| 20:23.47 | zinx | and if they do, they're not really servers ;) |
| 20:23.48 | pipatron | GuilhermeBrant: Boot in 'rescue mode' |
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| 20:24.11 | pipatron | GuilhermeBrant: Then cd to your home directory, remove some files, and reboot |
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| 20:24.15 | jelly-home | hmph, pcie hotplug is still broken no my stinkpad |
| 20:24.16 | GuilhermeBrant | i'll try.thanks |
| 20:24.48 | damaltor | "Desktop hard drives are usually rated for only 40,000-50,000 spinups, and one spinup every 10 minutes will kill your 40,000-spinup HD in 277 days." Bad thing. maybe i ought to look for a more quiet hdd instead of letting it spin up/down.. i knew that spinning the hdd up/down often is not very good, but i didnt know that it is THAT bad. |
| 20:24.52 | Yui_Jin | help me ! /var is full . what can i do ? |
| 20:25.14 | squisher | Yui_Jin: delete some files from /var? ;-) |
| 20:25.23 | jelly-home | damaltor: man hdparm, -M option |
| 20:25.32 | squisher | Yui_Jin, or buy another disk |
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| 20:25.51 | Yui_Jin | squisher: :) |
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| 20:25.54 | damaltor | jelly-home: didnt work for my hdd, some error occured... |
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| 20:26.00 | maligor | damaltor, if it gives noise while spinning, there's probably something wrong with it :P |
| 20:26.12 | censor | hi all |
| 20:26.12 | squisher | Yui_Jin, or more practical: apt-get autoclean |
| 20:26.14 | pipatron | Yui_Jin: Do you happen to use LVM? :) |
| 20:26.18 | jelly-home | Yui_Jin: you can do "du" and figure out what ate all the space |
| 20:26.23 | damaltor | jelly-home: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD:ACOUSTIC failed: Input/output error |
| 20:26.24 | prolix | if i were to do an install of debian 4.0 with just the first dvd, would there be a site listing what else i needed to do to make the o.s. fully functional? |
| 20:26.31 | pipatron | prolix: Yes |
| 20:26.35 | jelly-home | damaltor: not supported, likely |
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| 20:26.47 | pipatron | prolix: "Just the first DVD" would include pretty much everything |
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| 20:27.04 | pipatron | prolix: It would be much more than "fully functional" |
| 20:27.07 | X-Java | http://www.tecstore.net/product_info.php?cPath=0_33_34_155&products_id=43500 is this PC good for etch? |
| 20:27.10 | damaltor | maligor: well.. it is not that loud, but it is really heareable... and getting on my nerves :D |
| 20:27.12 | prolix | pipatron: thank you. i'm having some issues using apt-get |
| 20:27.21 | pipatron | prolix: Who doesn't :P |
| 20:27.30 | prolix | pipatron: heh |
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| 20:28.00 | chops | prolix: If you describe your issues, people here can almost certainly help you |
| 20:28.03 | censor | i got a LaCie Bigger Extreme external harddrive which accepts Firewire and USB, it used to work with USB but suddenly stopped (kernel 2.6.22-3), but still works on a windows machine .. i bought a Firewire controller, which works for a short time, and the error messages about "management write failed" start to show up and the drive doesn't respond anymore |
| 20:28.27 | prolix | pipatron: and when i tried to ./configure programs, i ge: checking for gcc... no \n checking for cc... no |
| 20:28.32 | chops | prolix: As for the site to read, /msg dpkg grounding |
| 20:28.41 | prolix | s/ge/get |
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| 20:28.49 | prolix | chops: thank you |
| 20:28.58 | pipatron | prolix: Of course, you need to install gcc if you want to build programs |
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| 20:29.05 | censor | first, what could be the reason for the USB problems? |
| 20:29.21 | pipatron | prolix: "apt-get install build-essential" is a good start |
| 20:29.32 | prolix | pipatron: thank you |
| 20:29.35 | chops | prolix: apt-get build-essential will help you compile things... but if apt-get doesn't work for you, you'll obviously have to fix that first (and you should anyway; it'll be a lot easier that way than trying to run a Debian system with all locally-installed software) |
| 20:29.39 | \amethyst | prolix: you need at least build-essential, and probably a bunch of development libraries specific to what you're trying to compile |
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| 20:29.51 | yigal | does anyone use snownews for rss here, I cannot open firefox with the default open keys, o O |
| 20:30.02 | pipatron | prolix: If you want to compile package "foo", you can also try "apt-get build-dep foo" |
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| 20:30.17 | pipatron | prolix: That will install all the packages you need to build it |
| 20:30.22 | damaltor | what do you think of a CF card as hdd? i got some adapter here, but im afraid of killing the card even faster then the hdd by spinning... |
| 20:30.26 | prolix | \amethyst, pipatron, chops: thank you |
| 20:30.33 | htpixs | hi |
| 20:30.37 | pipatron | damaltor: I'm using a 16GB card in my thinkpad now |
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| 20:30.52 | SparFux | There is a package ia32-libs in debian, but can't I just install any libXXX 32 bit package into /usr/lib32? |
| 20:30.56 | damaltor | pipatron: something special? or just a usual cf card? |
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| 20:31.08 | StucKman | hi all. I'm trying to maintain a computer that has no inet access. from time to time I want to both install new packages and apply updates. I tried to use apt-zip as follows: |
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| 20:31.18 | pipatron | damaltor: Just a normal SanDisk, just don't buy the cheapest, they are built a little different |
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| 20:31.35 | chops | SparFux: Debian doesn't in general support that approach ('biarch'); we're trying to hold out for multiarch (arbitrary combinations of architectures with proper package management) |
| 20:31.50 | htpixs | hi |
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| 20:31.59 | GuilhermeBrant | I tried to restart my debian in secure mode but it says it could not write my authorization file,because of lack of space |
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| 20:32.00 | chops | SparFux: A 32-bit chroot and just shrugging and installing a 32-bit system are the two common solutions |
| 20:32.01 | damaltor | pipatron: ok, i read sumthing about cf cards dying in few days.. so thats not true. thanks. |
| 20:32.11 | chops | damaltor: It depends |
| 20:32.12 | SparFux | chops: Yes, read about multiarch, but i doesn't seem to be ready yet. |
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| 20:32.20 | pipatron | damaltor: For example using swedish currency, there's a card from Transcend costing around 800 SEK, which sucks and will break and will die, but the sandisk cost around 1200 SEK but is fast and nice. |
| 20:32.20 | chops | SparFux: Sadly no :-( |
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| 20:32.41 | GuilhermeBrant | Is there anyway I could delete some linux files from windows? |
| 20:32.49 | damaltor | chops, pipatron: sure it depends. but if i dont buy the cheapest itll be an alternative, no? |
| 20:32.50 | chops | damaltor: If you're using a cheap CF card and a non-wear-leveling file system, it'll die quite quickly, yes. |
| 20:32.52 | SparFux | chops: well, I have /usr/lib32. I don't udnerstand why it wouldn't work to just put the 32 bit libs there. |
| 20:32.53 | pipatron | GuilhermeBrant: Yes, if you run ext2 or ext3 |
| 20:33.01 | GuilhermeBrant | I do |
| 20:33.12 | StucKman | I have a similar computer w/ inet access. I just apt-get update, so I get the packages files up-to-date. then I copy over those files (from /var/lib/apt/lists/) to the machine and dpkg --update-available. that lets me use dselect or dpkg. *but* apt/aptitude don't know anything about the new packages, so apt-zip fails. |
| 20:33.23 | pipatron | chops: Even the cheap CF cards use wear-leveling, but they never tell how they work so you never know. |
| 20:33.34 | StucKman | so the question is: how do I make apt/aptitude parse the new Pakages files? |
| 20:33.34 | stew | GuilhermeBrant: if you were having trouble loging in due to little free space, did you try logging in as root? or just a regular user? |
| 20:33.36 | chops | SparFux: I won't swear to you that it won't -- but that's not an approach which is supported by Debian or planned to be used for the long term |
| 20:33.55 | pipatron | GuilhermeBrant: Google on how to mount an ext3 filesystem in windows then |
| 20:33.58 | GuilhermeBrant | stew I tried both |
| 20:34.05 | pipatron | GuilhermeBrant: This channel isn't really filled with windows experts |
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| 20:34.09 | stew | GuilhermeBrant: how about single user mode? |
| 20:34.32 | GuilhermeBrant | pipatron I did.But I can't erase files here...just read and write. |
| 20:34.39 | GuilhermeBrant | I'm not looking for windows experts |
| 20:35.04 | prolix | is there a way other than: vim /etc/apt/sources.list to check whether or not apt-get is querying a server instead of my drive? |
| 20:35.08 | pipatron | GuilhermeBrant: If you can write, you can surely erase? |
| 20:35.18 | GuilhermeBrant | pipatron I can't here...retrieves an error |
| 20:35.26 | pipatron | *hm* |
| 20:35.33 | pipatron | Beats me. |
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| 20:35.43 | stew | GuilhermeBrant: have you tried single user mode? |
| 20:35.51 | pipatron | I'm going to boot into 2.6.24 now, goodbye forever, everything will probably break :( |
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| 20:36.07 | GuilhermeBrant | stew what is singles user mode? |
| 20:36.16 | censor | is there any way i can get a 2.6.23-amd64 dpkg for lenny? any repository? |
| 20:36.20 | Yui_Jin | squisher: thanks . ok |
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| 20:36.25 | stew | GuilhermeBrant: instead of asking you to login, it just puts you at a root shell |
| 20:36.34 | stew | GuilhermeBrant: if you use grub, it should be an option in the grub menu |
| 20:36.40 | prolix | because no matter which package i choose, even if it's a package from apt-cache search foo, i get: E: Unable to find a source package for foo |
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| 20:36.57 | yigal | answered my problem |
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| 20:37.08 | Fireball | what controller should I choose in lenny b1 under vmware server 1? (using scsi disk)? |
| 20:37.11 | stew | censor: 2.6.23 is not longer distributed by debian as it was replaced by 2.6.24, if you really need 2.6.23, you should be able to get it from sdn: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 20:37.26 | GuilhermeBrant | stew ah ok,I think i've seen this in grub |
| 20:37.32 | GuilhermeBrant | stew I'll try it thanks |
| 20:37.33 | censor | stew where can i get 2.6.24? would be even better ;) |
| 20:37.58 | stew | censor: http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.24 |
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| 20:38.31 | chops | prolix: Do you have deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:38.48 | censor | stew i'm running lenny, but those packages are only for sid! |
| 20:38.55 | chops | prolix: Can you pastebin the exact command you're running, the full output, and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 20:39.01 | pipatron | censor: Heh, I just did what you want, a few minutes ago |
| 20:39.15 | stew | censor: they will work fine in lenny |
| 20:39.22 | pipatron | censor: I added sid to my apt sources, then made sure it was pinned down to a lower priority |
| 20:39.28 | prolix | chop: yes i can but it will have to be to on pastebin.com. |
| 20:39.33 | censor | okay, i'll try |
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| 20:39.35 | prolix | chops: one moment, please |
| 20:39.37 | pipatron | censor: Then installed the kernel, and booted into 2.6.24, and everything seems to work. |
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| 20:40.02 | censor | pipatron how do i make the sid sources lower prio? |
| 20:40.07 | stew | censor: i'd not recommend adding sid, just download the single .deb you need. you are less likely to screw things up that way |
| 20:40.24 | censor | okay, i'll have a look |
| 20:40.26 | pipatron | censor: Listen to stew :) |
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| 20:40.40 | pipatron | censor: Or read http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 20:40.48 | damaltor | noatime was a great hint, thanks... hdd activity is much less nuw |
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| 20:40.55 | pipatron | damaltor: Great! |
| 20:40.56 | V4Nelle | guys can i find anywhere debian 4.0r0? |
| 20:41.15 | stew | V4Nelle: why do you want r0 instead of r3? |
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| 20:41.43 | stew | censor: please ignore that link from pipatron. it is outdated information |
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| 20:42.12 | pipatron | stew: Well it worked, and the manual page seems to agree |
| 20:42.37 | stew | pipatron: sarge is not stable, etch is not testing |
| 20:42.41 | pipatron | Well duh :) |
| 20:42.51 | damaltor | pipatron: are there any ways to mechanically make a disk more quiet, like something to wrap around? problem is, that is a VERY small computer (fujitsu pronet s), wich does only have minimal place in there.. e.g. no 5.25" ich slot to "hang up" the hdd |
| 20:42.57 | prolix | chops: http://pastebin.com/m365b3206 |
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| 20:43.21 | pipatron | damaltor: You can improve it slightly with some small rubber stuff that goes between the drive and the case |
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| 20:43.28 | AVRS | hi |
| 20:43.33 | stew | pipatron: there are also easier ways to set preferences, like APT::Default-Release |
| 20:43.37 | chops | prolix: You only have the security updates and the (commented-out) CD sources; you don't have a network source for the main etch repository |
| 20:43.37 | Greek-Boy | did someone reply to my question? I might have missed it because I got DC. |
| 20:43.39 | chops | !sources.list |
| 20:43.40 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 20:43.57 | prolix | high fives chops |
| 20:43.59 | prolix | thank you |
| 20:44.00 | stew | Greek-Boy: you didn't ask a question |
| 20:44.02 | dtrump | sup? |
| 20:44.02 | chops | prolix: np |
| 20:44.06 | pipatron | damaltor: The best is of course to hide the computer away, I installed electricity and network in my closet (it's roomy enough, so no heat problems) |
| 20:44.25 | pipatron | damaltor: I have three computers there now, 6 drives in total, can't hear a thing in the rest of the apartment |
| 20:44.27 | AVRS | Has anyone else seen XChat 2.8.4 suck compared to 2.8.2? The toolbars are too flexible on their own, but impossible to configure as I have in 2.8.2; colors messed up in the UI but not in the settings. |
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| 20:44.51 | chops | AVRS: File a bug? |
| 20:44.58 | damaltor | AVRS: seen that too, 2.8.4 is crap |
| 20:45.12 | AVRS | damaltor: seen both? |
| 20:45.14 | damaltor | pipatron: sounds like an idea, will try later. i am still searching for a way to cache disk operations, so they can be done altogether e.g. every 20 minutes rather then every few secs when only a few bytes are needed |
| 20:45.36 | damaltor | AVRS: scrollbars are ok, but that color thing is a bad bug |
| 20:45.40 | pipatron | damaltor: powering up the disk every 20 minutes will shorten the life |
| 20:45.41 | AVRS | ok, thx |
| 20:46.08 | damaltor | pipatron: well, for me it could be 3 hours... but is there a way to cache disk operations instead of writing them immediately? |
| 20:46.38 | pipatron | damaltor: Did you install laptop-mode stuff and enabled it? |
| 20:46.45 | pipatron | damaltor: There should be a script with some settings |
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| 20:46.50 | AVRS | damaltor: the toolbar thing is that I have set the userlist and tablist bars parallelly vertial, like ||. In 2.8.4, they either get to be on one line (if I specify the same side but different vertically), or one of them becomes horizontal (if I specify the same side and the same vertically). |
| 20:47.10 | damaltor | pipatron: well, i enables that laptop mode by hand in /proc/sys/vm, but that didnt work... so ill try that scrip |
| 20:47.34 | pipatron | damaltor: One of the setting is how many seconds of unwritten data you can risk. If you set it to 3 hours it should cache the data for 3 hours I *think* |
| 20:47.34 | AVRS | (which is XChat's problem, not Debian package's, I guess) |
| 20:47.50 | damaltor | AVRS: i think that is not a bug but a feature... very bad implemented maybe, but i think it is wanted like this |
| 20:47.54 | pipatron | damaltor: Then of course, if the machine crashes or lose power during that time, you'll lose the data |
| 20:48.13 | damaltor | pipatron: sounds good. will try now. |
| 20:48.17 | AVRS | damaltor: yep, two more features and one less |
| 20:48.31 | AVRS | *fewer |
| 20:48.35 | pipatron | AVRS: irssi. :) |
| 20:48.39 | AVRS | :) |
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| 20:49.51 | damaltor | pipatron: after installing that package, how do i run that script? |
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| 20:50.41 | pipatron | damaltor: "/etc/init.d/laptop-mode start" or something, it should start automagically |
| 20:50.47 | damaltor | pipatron: ok thx |
| 20:50.50 | pipatron | damaltor: You have to edit the config file first |
| 20:50.55 | damaltor | have to go now, be back in about half an houe |
| 20:51.01 | damaltor | soryy, but urgent |
| 20:51.06 | damaltor | thanks all |
| 20:51.47 | pipatron | urgent = carebears on TV |
| 20:52.06 | UG[Gone] | they arnt on anymore |
| 20:52.08 | UG[Gone] | :'( |
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| 20:52.25 | pipatron | UG[Gone]: ;( |
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| 20:52.44 | can-o-worms | can someone tell me how to reinstall something with all it's dependencies? |
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| 20:53.30 | pipatron | can-o-worms: apt-get check maybe? |
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| 20:55.43 | DjNos | kosì è meglio |
| 20:55.47 | anne | hola! |
| 20:56.05 | DjNos | dmno? |
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| 20:56.54 | can-o-worms | pipatron: thanks, but that doesn't seem to be what I need |
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| 20:57.39 | pipatron | can-o-worms: So what do you need? :) |
| 20:57.56 | DjNos | annola, io esko.. XD |
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| 20:58.17 | anne | DjNos: ok! |
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| 20:58.51 | can-o-worms | pipatron: Something is wrong with serpentine, so i want to reinstall it and all it's dependencies |
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| 20:59.30 | can-o-worms | pipatron: Some people I live with tripped the breaker 2 days in a row and I think I have some broken stuff |
| 20:59.34 | stew | can-o-worms: what is wrong with serpentine? if it something a simple reinstall of packages would fix, then 'debsums' would tell you which packages have files which have been changed |
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| 21:00.26 | can-o-worms | stew: but debsums only checks the debs right? |
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| 21:00.40 | stew | can-o-worms: it checks the files installed by debs |
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| 21:01.07 | can-o-worms | stew: ok, that sounds like what I need then, thanks |
| 21:01.10 | simonrvn | stew: DiKKv was ctcping people |
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| 21:01.33 | stew | simonrvn: ack |
| 21:01.41 | enouf | damaltor: get rid of any famd related garb, iirc, that was the culprit for me when i got those very small yet often writes to disk every few seconds or so |
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| 21:01.53 | simonrvn | ...obviously he flooded himself off ;) |
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| 21:02.34 | maligor | I wonder what they think they gain from that |
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| 21:02.37 | simonrvn | hmmm, seems he made some people /quit possibly |
| 21:02.54 | maligor | yeah, looked like a malformed dcc request |
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| 21:03.03 | simonrvn | beats me. some weird satisfaction, or thinking they're l33t or something stupid |
| 21:03.23 | simonrvn | DCC unknown ctcp SCHAT from DiKKv ...[the rest is crap] |
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| 21:03.51 | aleksanteri | :/ i got that as well |
| 21:04.01 | simonrvn | 0-day bug in xchat? i know some of those use schat |
| 21:04.05 | simonrvn | xchat* |
| 21:04.15 | maligor | well, I have xchat |
| 21:04.25 | simonrvn | ok, something else then |
| 21:04.44 | maligor | besides, only a handful got killed from 850 |
| 21:04.52 | maligor | pretty obscure bug |
| 21:05.11 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 21:06.03 | can-o-worms | stew: I can't see anything in the man file about how you would get debsums to check all the dependencies as well |
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| 21:06.24 | stew | can-o-worms: debsums will check every package |
| 21:06.58 | simonrvn | it goes through /var/cache/apt/archives after every install run; at least when i run aptitude |
| 21:07.17 | simonrvn | i'd have to read the man page |
| 21:07.31 | can-o-worms | stew: Now I get it, I just ran it with the package name. thanks again |
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| 21:08.45 | deadcat | what photo software can automatically rotate the orientation of a picture? i have like tons and i want a script that automatically convert/rotate if its tilted 90degree |
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| 21:09.32 | vvd | deadcat: i once had the idea to implement something like that |
| 21:09.35 | alturiak | anyone here able to tell what kind of client was affected by the exploit attempt? |
| 21:09.44 | vvd | deadcat: its not trivial you know ^^) |
| 21:09.54 | vvd | deadcat: if you find something let me know |
| 21:09.58 | simonrvn | maligor: i've encountered obscure bugs ;). i seem to have a particular talent to accidentily find them |
| 21:10.02 | deadcat | vvd: ya.. but i dont feel like re-inventing any wheels |
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| 21:10.23 | pipatron | deadcat: 'convert' from imagemagick can do that, *IF* there is a correct tag set from the camera, I think |
| 21:10.54 | deadcat | pipatron: oh.. ok... the exif info has orientation tag... |
| 21:10.57 | pipatron | deadcat: Or are you thinking about doing a signal analysis of the images? |
| 21:11.03 | vvd | oh with tags its trivial ;) |
| 21:11.12 | deadcat | pipatron: no. just flip the thing 90 degree |
| 21:11.16 | maligor | doesn't mogrify do it? |
| 21:11.16 | pipatron | apt-get install renrot maybet :P |
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| 21:11.36 | deadcat | pipatron: thanks (= |
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| 21:12.52 | damaltor | pipatron: so, im back. had to run to the supermarket to hunt some pizza, cause its 10pm here and the markets close at that time... bad thing: there are only two supermarkets open till 10, bith are about 5km away from here... |
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| 21:12.59 | AwesomeGuy | how would I go about making my own ftp server? |
| 21:13.04 | damaltor | lets have a look at that config file |
| 21:13.19 | pipatron | AwesomeGuy: You're so awesome you should figure it out! |
| 21:13.29 | damaltor | AwesomeGuy: install proftpd. thats it. |
| 21:13.32 | pipatron | AwesomeGuy: But seriously, the most secure would be installing vsftpd |
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| 21:14.40 | phyburn | what can you do if you need to install an application but you get Broken Package errors? |
| 21:14.43 | deadcat | pipatron: i love you (= |
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| 21:15.12 | pipatron | deadcat: I have a girlfriend already, sorry :( |
| 21:15.23 | vvd | :> |
| 21:15.36 | vvd | hey, i dont |
| 21:15.42 | vvd | *wink* |
| 21:15.43 | AwesomeGuy | phyburn try reinstalling |
| 21:16.41 | stew | phyburn: fix the package |
| 21:16.43 | deadcat | damn. i deleted all my 1000 photos i took on sun. else i would try to renrot all of them on a 800mhz and see how fast it can do it. |
| 21:16.44 | stew | phyburn: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:16.52 | AwesomeGuy | so I can install vsftpd, and then from another computer I can just connect to it with ftp by typing ftp then my ip address? |
| 21:17.13 | deadcat | AwesomeGuy: sure. you just have to config vsftpd |
| 21:17.20 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
| 21:17.29 | stew | AwesomeGuy: do you really need ftp? ftp is a horrible (and insecure) protocol |
| 21:17.40 | pipatron | ftp and dcc |
| 21:17.48 | pipatron | They should both die horrible deaths |
| 21:17.49 | phyburn | stew, AwesomeGuy, http://pastebin.ca/949503 |
| 21:17.54 | AwesomeGuy | ...w/e |
| 21:17.55 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
| 21:18.04 | AwesomeGuy | I'll just use ftp with a password. |
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| 21:18.17 | AwesomeGuy | that's all I need |
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| 21:19.28 | stew | phyburn: you are mixing sarge (aka oldstable) with etch (the current stable) which is not supported. you should upgrade fully from sarge to etch. sarge security support is ending. /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 21:21.20 | AwesomeGuy | dpkg is trying to tell me using unencrypted ftp is insecure, he doesn't realize you can use a password |
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| 21:21.41 | phyburn | stew, okay ill just remove sarge from my source list for apt? |
| 21:21.42 | stew | AwesomeGuy: the insecure part is that the password and all data are unencrypted |
| 21:22.13 | stew | phyburn: no, not just that, you have to actually upgrade the installation. it is strongly recommended that you follow the procedure in chapter 4 of the release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 21:22.50 | AwesomeGuy | well I'm not letting out the address of the ftp server, only I know the ip, so it'll be fine. |
| 21:22.51 | stew | AwesomeGuy: so anyone that is on the same network as you or your server, or on any network in between sees your password and all the data you transmot |
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| 21:23.13 | AwesomeGuy | I love to transmot passwords! |
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| 21:23.19 | PleXuS | hi all.. anyone got some experience with PXE booting? |
| 21:23.20 | stew | and its a slow protocol as well |
| 21:23.30 | karsten | Any ideas on reading an OmniPro scanned doc on Linux? |
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| 21:24.00 | mc__ | A friend of mine and me are having an argument. Unstable == testing or unstable == sid? |
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| 21:24.08 | karsten | 'file' reads it as a Microsoft Office Document. AFAICT it's produced by OmniPage from Nuance Communications (now owned by ScanSoft) |
| 21:24.09 | stew | mc__: unstable == sid |
| 21:24.18 | karsten | mc__: unstable == sid |
| 21:24.19 | stew | mc__: testing == lenny |
| 21:24.24 | vvd | stew: what would be the simplest (yet save) way to share files back and forth over the internet with my friend who uses windows? |
| 21:24.24 | stew | (currently) |
| 21:24.29 | karsten | mc__: testing == next future named release. |
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| 21:24.37 | maligor | experimental == ??? |
| 21:24.40 | karsten | mc__: Currently testing == lenny |
| 21:24.42 | mc__ | alright,thank you |
| 21:24.47 | karsten | maligor: Dangerous. |
| 21:24.50 | maligor | heh |
| 21:24.56 | stew | vvd: scp, sftp, a vpn? |
| 21:24.59 | maligor | I was just trying to get into the spirit of things |
| 21:25.17 | enouf | damaltor see what cat /proc/ide/hdX/settings says about acoustic, for my old loud WD 8.4GB disk i use {sudo sh -c} echo 'acoustic:254' > /proc/ide/hdc/settings to shut the thing up a bit |
| 21:25.19 | stew | maligor: experimental isn't a release, and doesn't have a release name |
| 21:25.22 | vvd | stew: vpn with? samba? :\ |
| 21:25.30 | karsten | hands maligor a white sheet with two holes in it, and a bottle of everclear. |
| 21:25.31 | stew | vvd: sure |
| 21:25.34 | karsten | maligor: lBe my guest. |
| 21:25.46 | maligor | stew, so when's sid released? |
| 21:25.47 | karsten | stew: Technically Sid isn't either. |
| 21:25.49 | stew | maligor: never |
| 21:25.52 | aleksanteri | maligor, never |
| 21:25.54 | maligor | heh |
| 21:25.59 | stew | karsten: http://debian.org/releases |
| 21:26.22 | stew | "Debian always has at least three releases in active maintenance: stable, testing and unstable" |
| 21:26.24 | damaltor | enouf: doenst seem to be supported as hdparm says... |
| 21:26.38 | maligor | experimental isn't in active maintenance? |
| 21:26.39 | karsten | stew: It's a "distribution", not a "release", and those are some awfully fine nits you've given me to pick. |
| 21:26.47 | AwesomeGuy | It's funnt when I ask how to set up ftp, and instead of giving a constructive response people complain about ftp being slow and insecure |
| 21:26.48 | AwesomeGuy | lol |
| 21:26.51 | AwesomeGuy | * funny |
| 21:27.00 | karsten | stew: ... and/or I'm eating crow. Can't make up my mind. |
| 21:27.18 | karsten | *does* know when lenny's going to be released. |
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| 21:27.50 | maligor | I'm sure sid will get released 10 days after DNF |
| 21:27.50 | AwesomeGuy | my debian was installed with a dsl modem, but now I'm using a cable modem, can I just plug it into my laptop with debian on it and it will work? |
| 21:27.54 | stew | AwesomeGuy: you asked a question about how to set ftp. get multiple valid answera and some good advice |
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| 21:28.26 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: So long as your local LAN connection is over DHCP, yeah, shouldn't matter what your broadband connection is. |
| 21:28.33 | Optyk | Hello. I have problem. I loaded tiff_sd modules, lspci shows card reader but when I insert card to slot i can't mount it beacause I can't recongonize it in /dev |
| 21:28.41 | stew | AwesomeGuy: that depends on the networking setup for cable/dsl. if neither is using pppoe and both are using dhcp, then probably |
| 21:28.46 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: Otherwise: it's just your standard basic networking configuration. |
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| 21:28.48 | johnnn | FREE SEX! NEW PICS EVERY DAY! FOR FREE!! http://makemoneyfor.freehostia.com/4images_gallery/ |
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| 21:29.02 | karsten | !beer stew |
| 21:29.02 | dpkg | pours a pint of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for stew |
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| 21:30.39 | PleXuS | anyone know why i can't find pxegrub image in debain ? |
| 21:30.53 | PleXuS | or what i need todo to get it? :D |
| 21:31.16 | blueyed | Given a "depend" on a virtual package, apt choses the first of the packages that provide it, regardless of what needs to get pulled in... (i.e. "A" depends on "V". "V" gets provided by "B" and "C". apt seems to always chose "B", even "B" depends on other non-installed packages) |
| 21:31.32 | blueyed | I'm currently looking at apt's source.. can somebody lend me a hend? :) |
| 21:31.51 | blueyed | s/hend/hand/ |
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| 21:33.26 | phyburn | stew, hmm, going through chap 4 doesn't seem much is getting upgraded. Only a few libs and the kernel. |
| 21:33.26 | Optyk | I loaded tiff_sd modules, lspci shows card reader but when I insert card to slot i can't mount it beacause I can't recongonize it in /dev. How can I access my card? |
| 21:33.38 | phyburn | stew, doesn't seem any apache such is getting upgraded |
| 21:34.03 | stew | phyburn: if you follow chapter 4, every package will be upgraded to etch |
| 21:34.41 | stew | phyburn: at one point you run "aptitude upgrade" which upgrades a lot, then later you run "aptitude dist-upgrade" which should be upgrading th rest. however you really should just follow the instructions |
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| 21:35.31 | phyburn | stew, I followed the intructions, got to the bottom of the page now... Only upgraded a few things |
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| 21:36.46 | stew | phyburn: show us the output of "apt-cache policy apache2-common libc6 ; aptitutde -s dist-upgrade" |
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| 21:38.09 | stew | blueyed: if a package A depends on virtual package B which is provided by C and D, A should depend on (something like) "C | B" so that a non-virtual alternative is always provided |
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| 21:38.20 | stew | blueyed: (i'm not sure if i followed your question correctly) |
| 21:38.23 | AwesomeGuy | The internet won't connect to anything on my laptop with debian on it |
| 21:38.32 | phyburn | stew, http://pastebin.ca/949551 |
| 21:38.33 | AwesomeGuy | it just sais 'network unreachable' |
| 21:38.52 | AwesomeGuy | the ethernet card had the internet light on it |
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| 21:39.21 | stew | phyburn: what is an example of a package which you think should be upgraded which hasn't been upgraded? |
| 21:39.33 | AwesomeGuy | how can I make the ethernet fixed |
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| 21:39.59 | stew | AwesomeGuy: what service are you trying to connect to on the laptop? |
| 21:40.00 | blueyed | stew: but there is no real package.. and even if there would be, apt always uses the first one (ordered by prio, but that does not matter) |
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| 21:40.04 | phyburn | stew, I was having troubles before installing packages. |
| 21:40.08 | AwesomeGuy | the internet? |
| 21:40.20 | AwesomeGuy | my modem |
| 21:40.23 | phyburn | stew, this error: http://pastebin.ca/949503 |
| 21:40.52 | AwesomeGuy | how do I get it working? |
| 21:40.56 | stew | phyburn: apache2-common doesn't exist in stable, it was replaced by apache2.2-common. why do you want to install apache2-common? |
| 21:41.09 | stew | AwesomeGuy: how are you trying to connect? |
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| 21:41.25 | nkuttler | hm, any suggestion for a cli ftp client that does recursive chmod? |
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| 21:41.32 | AwesomeGuy | ethernet cable |
| 21:42.00 | damaltor | nkuttler: doesnt ftp do that? i mean the program, not the protocoll.. |
| 21:42.03 | AwesomeGuy | I tried opening google in iceweasel, that didn't work either |
| 21:42.08 | stew | AwesomeGuy: when you say "The internet won't connect to anything on my laptop", what specifically are you trying to connect to? |
| 21:42.18 | phyburn | stew, because I'm getting a error when trying to install libapache2-mod-security and I'm getting that same error, saying apache2-common needs to be installed |
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| 21:42.27 | AwesomeGuy | what are you talking about? I told you |
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| 21:42.45 | stew | AwesomeGuy: how did you try to connect to the ethernet cable on your laptop from the internet? you aren't making any sense. |
| 21:42.50 | AwesomeGuy | my laptop was plugged into my modem with an ethernet cord |
| 21:42.54 | nkuttler | damaltor: not according to the man page. chmod isn't even a standard ftp feature |
| 21:43.15 | damaltor | nkuttler: wait, ill have a try with my server... brb |
| 21:43.17 | AwesomeGuy | the modem is fine, it works on my desktop with windows xp |
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| 21:45.35 | damaltor | nkuttler: no, doesnt. but what about connecting via ssh and then chmod'ing the files? |
| 21:45.37 | stew | !+info libapache2-mod-security stable |
| 21:45.38 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 21:45.39 | dpkg | Package 'libapache2-mod-security' does not exist. |
| 21:45.54 | stew | phyburn: libapache2-mod-security isn't in stable |
| 21:46.07 | phyburn | what can I do to install it then? |
| 21:46.13 | nkuttler | damaltor: thanks for looking into this. obviously i don't have a shell access... |
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| 21:46.45 | AwesomeGuy | how do I fix my internet problem |
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| 21:49.49 | AwesomeGuy | my laptop can't connect to my new cable modem for some reason |
| 21:49.57 | AwesomeGuy | but my desktop can |
| 21:50.05 | AwesomeGuy | the desktop was windows xp on it and the laptop has debian |
| 21:50.09 | karsten | !tell AwesomeGuy about network drill |
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| 21:50.26 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: Troubleshoot your networking setup from the ground up. Read what dpkg just told you. |
| 21:50.40 | zinx | AwesomeGuy: you have to power cycle many cable modems to change which nic's connected |
| 21:50.45 | stew | AwesomeGuy: oh, earlier you said internet connecting to your laptop, not laptop connecting to the internet |
| 21:50.47 | AwesomeGuy | whats NIC seating O.o |
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| 21:51.04 | stew | AwesomeGuy: show us the output of "ifconfig -a ; route -n" use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 21:51.34 | AwesomeGuy | the laptop can't go to pastebin |
| 21:51.57 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: Then find another way to transport the data. |
| 21:52.02 | stew | AwesomeGuy: whatever machine you are ircing on can |
| 21:52.12 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: Type it if necessary. Floppy or Flash drive if you've got it. |
| 21:52.15 | AwesomeGuy | k |
| 21:52.19 | AwesomeGuy | brb |
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| 21:52.38 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: NIC seating: physically reseating your PCI cards to ensure a firm connection. Clean contacts w/ an eraser. |
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| 21:52.46 | ChristianIS | are the debian stable packages patched by default ? |
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| 21:53.04 | nkuttler | ChristianIS: what do you mean? |
| 21:53.09 | stew | ChristianIS: it depends on how they are packaged |
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| 21:53.26 | rgr | Sometime over the past two weeks someting has been installed or changed my Lenny system to break vmware. Nothing is turnin gup in syslog and the vmware logs are all two weeks old. Any suggestions how to start debugging this? |
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| 21:53.46 | ChristianIS | if i download a package with apt from http://...debian.org/debian stable/main .... is this a package from a patched sourcecode ? |
| 21:53.56 | Synchronized | it said unknown command ipconfig |
| 21:54.04 | stew | ChristianIS: there are "debian native" package which are either not patched or they are patched before they are uploaded to debian. other package which aren't debian native are patched |
| 21:54.32 | ChristianIS | so they are patched from stable/main ? |
| 21:54.38 | stew | ChristianIS: if the version number has a '-' in it, it is patched. if it doesn't it is maybe patched before it was uploaded to debian, or maybe it was not patched |
| 21:54.42 | stew | ChristianIS: almost alwyas, yes |
| 21:54.47 | ChristianIS | k |
| 21:54.49 | enouf | UG[Gone]: thank goodness we still have teletubbies though ;-P |
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| 21:55.20 | stew | ChristianIS: for instance, most software doesn't already come ready to build a policy compliant debian package, so debian maintainer patch the software so it knows how to build itself into a .deb |
| 21:55.34 | stew | ChristianIS: this is not to say that the patch is necessarily changing the functionality of the software |
| 21:56.07 | Synchronized | did you mean do the ipconfig thing on my windows? |
| 21:56.11 | Synchronized | not the debian |
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| 21:57.08 | rgr | Can anyone help me discover why vmware is not starting all of a sudden in Lenny? |
| 21:57.13 | sylar_m | hi folks, I got error when im trying to run firefox 3 beta 4. The error is "Error: in (function call): procedure or syntax required but got: Error: fatal: looped fatal error". Do u have any suggestion? |
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| 21:57.37 | enouf | damaltor: i bypass what hdparm thinks obviously .. i find noatime mount option to be a PITA as things aren't kept up to date for me, .. i find leaving the disk spinning all the time (no spinup/spindown) except for reboots, (and well cooled) to keep the life of the disk the longest |
| 21:58.03 | stew | sylar_m: ask #firefox |
| 21:58.18 | Gryfelhase | ok, i have a question to avidemux: I have a file with 8 bit pcm. I can save the maintrack with audio>save as a wav, but can't convert it as mp3 (lame). But lame is installed and is able to convert other audio-codexs to mp3 |
| 21:58.29 | Synchronized | ? |
| 21:58.38 | Synchronized | why is debian being confusing |
| 21:58.52 | stew | Synchronized: you'd have to ask a more specific question |
| 21:58.56 | Gryfelhase | what could be the reason for this ? |
| 21:58.57 | damaltor | enouf: i think the spinup/down is the smallest problem... i want it to be quiet, that works. the hdd is built in top-down into that small server case, so i think spinning up some more times will be the smallest problem ;) |
| 21:59.02 | ChristianIS | where can i get the "debian native" packages as apt source ? |
| 21:59.21 | Synchronized | stew you already know the problem |
| 21:59.25 | stew | Synchronized: ? |
| 21:59.32 | Synchronized | do I have to just reinstall debian? |
| 21:59.37 | stew | Synchronized: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:59.52 | Synchronized | get the laptop on the internet with the ethernet card in it |
| 22:00.10 | stew | Synchronized: oh you swithced names |
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| 22:00.16 | Synchronized | oh |
| 22:00.19 | damaltor | Synchronized: would you reinstall windows when you dont get into the internet? |
| 22:00.33 | rahul | damaltor: most people would |
| 22:00.33 | AwesomeGuy | windows just configures it by itself |
| 22:00.38 | rahul | haha |
| 22:00.45 | rahul | yeah right |
| 22:00.48 | AwesomeGuy | it did |
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| 22:01.01 | damaltor | AwesomeGuy: linux does, too... windows takes some standard thingy wich works. mostly. |
| 22:01.01 | stew | AwesomeGuy: i didn't tell you to run ipconfig, i told you to run "ifconfig -a ; route -n" |
| 22:01.02 | rahul | AwesomeGuy: then the defaults in debian should work fine |
| 22:01.28 | AwesomeGuy | it said ifconfig wasnt a command |
| 22:01.44 | damaltor | AwesomeGuy: it is. trust me. |
| 22:01.52 | gener1c | it is trust him |
| 22:01.55 | rahul | are you doing it as root? |
| 22:01.55 | stew | AwesomeGuy: use "/sbin/ifconfig -a ; route -n" |
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| 22:02.22 | gener1c | if he has to use sbin id recommend reinstalling his distro |
| 22:02.30 | damaltor | yeah :D |
| 22:02.56 | stew | gener1c: no. stop |
| 22:03.02 | gener1c | stew?! |
| 22:03.06 | stew | gener1c: please don't talk nonsense |
| 22:03.15 | gener1c | is that you? |
| 22:03.33 | stew | gener1c: the fact that he hasn't yet changed the default PATH setting is not a reason to reinstall. that makes no sense |
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| 22:04.07 | gener1c | oh k |
| 22:04.19 | rahul | well, he should be doing this as root |
| 22:04.29 | rahul | if root doesn't have sbin in the path, I'm confused. |
| 22:04.35 | gener1c | but if its not set by default doesnt it mean that somehow the iso got corrupt? |
| 22:04.39 | DynamicPink | I am having some difficulties getting gnash to run on amd64. No files load from within iceweasel. No errors at all. |
| 22:04.49 | rahul | gener1c: no |
| 22:04.59 | rahul | gener1c: if the iso got corrupt, it wouldn't install at all |
| 22:05.01 | stew | gener1c: no. debian does not add /sbin or /usr/sbin to normal users path |
| 22:05.12 | gener1c | normal.... |
| 22:05.14 | gener1c | ah |
| 22:05.25 | stew | gener1c: only to roots's path, since, by definition, sbin is for superusrs |
| 22:05.26 | gener1c | i didnt think he didnt move to root to do so |
| 22:05.29 | gener1c | i just su to root |
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| 22:07.21 | DynamicPink | Does flashblock play nice with gnash? |
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| 22:08.22 | stew | gener1c: well, in any case, reinstalling in order to change the PATH variable would be insane |
| 22:08.38 | gener1c | yeah it would |
| 22:08.38 | HellTiger | debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso <-- have it an live boot option? |
| 22:08.49 | gener1c | ur right |
| 22:08.51 | rahul | HellTiger: no |
| 22:08.51 | stew | HellTiger: no, debian has no official livecd |
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| 22:09.03 | rahul | HellTiger: you install debian |
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| 22:09.17 | stew | HellTiger: it has a rescue mode, however. and there is a separate, not yet official live cd |
| 22:09.24 | rahul | there are tools to build live cds in debian |
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| 22:09.45 | distatica | Hi folks, I have a laptop with dualboot linux / windows. When I connect at a local cafe with windows it redirects any web address to the router, so I can enter a special code for access. When I do so under linux I cannot access the server. I tried to copy the address windows gets (192.168.17.1:3456) into firefox on linux, and still can't find server. |
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| 22:10.06 | leonardo | hi, i'm using debian with xfce but my keyboard doesn't work well, but on gnome works. I would like to know if someone knows aboit a keyboard configuration program |
| 22:10.06 | distatica | The network is definitely connected under linux, and I get an ip, but I cannot ping this router, nor anything else. |
| 22:10.09 | distatica | any ideas what I could try? |
| 22:10.23 | gener1c | ok |
| 22:10.24 | AwesomeGuy` | I put a file on a flash drive with theo utput of the ifconfig thing, but when i took it out and it in into my desktop the file wasn't on there |
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| 22:10.42 | AwesomeGuy` | wtf? |
| 22:10.42 | stew | AwesomeGuy`: did you unmount the flash drive before removing it? |
| 22:10.46 | AwesomeGuy` | no |
| 22:10.46 | gener1c | you need to find the mac ip of the wireless router and set it to the card using iwconfig |
| 22:10.51 | stew | AwesomeGuy`: you need to |
| 22:10.58 | stew | AwesomeGuy`: of you need to mount it with the sync option |
| 22:11.06 | gener1c | s/ip/adress |
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| 22:11.22 | AwesomeGuy` | why does linux make everything more hard then it has to be? |
| 22:11.30 | stew | AwesomeGuy`: for more flexibility |
| 22:11.37 | gener1c | and power! |
| 22:11.49 | stew | AwesomeGuy`: or perhaps becuase there is more work to do. feel free to help out |
| 22:11.50 | nollan | AwesomeGuy`, #define hard |
| 22:12.08 | distatica | gener1c: so I need to set my card to the same mac as the router? |
| 22:12.21 | gener1c | nollan, lets not get philosophical please |
| 22:12.26 | stew | distatica: no, don't listen to gener1c |
| 22:12.34 | distatica | <G> |
| 22:12.39 | gener1c | thats how i do it! |
| 22:12.41 | distatica | I'd listen to my grandmother right now if she gave me a tip |
| 22:12.44 | stew | gener1c: stop |
| 22:12.50 | oskie | ac |
| 22:12.50 | gener1c | ok i wont say anything |
| 22:13.21 | distatica | stew: so, how does one do it? |
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| 22:15.04 | c_cinq | hi. how do i keep /tmp directory from reset at the end of a session? |
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| 22:15.39 | sylar_m | does anyone struggle with firefox 3 beta 4? |
| 22:15.43 | rahul | AwesomeGuy`: why would linux excessively tax your hardware just because it thinks you're foolish? |
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| 22:15.56 | eeyore- | rahul: it does? |
| 22:16.03 | rahul | eeyore-: AwesomeGuy` seems to want it to |
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| 22:16.20 | rahul | mmm, I'm eating stoned wheat thins |
| 22:17.10 | maligor | won't windows do the same thing if you don't use the unplug safely thing they have |
| 22:17.13 | AwesomeGuy | http://pastebin.org/24500 heh, I got a cool number |
| 22:17.19 | AwesomeGuy | thats what i got from ifconfig |
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| 22:17.36 | ricosecada | If one is running a software RAID, and one of the disks breaks, how does one proceed? Is it as simple as just attaching the new disk? Or does it somehow needs to be reformattet and included? |
| 22:17.47 | c_cinq | sylar_m:no struggle. but images dont load sometimes and gmail chat is broken. |
| 22:17.50 | AwesomeGuy | and some other one |
| 22:18.09 | rahul | maligor: probably less likely to happen on windows, but still can happen |
| 22:18.11 | AwesomeGuy | thats what i got from ifconfig -a ; route -n |
| 22:18.36 | DynamicPink | Anyone know where I can find a copy of gnash_128_96.ico? |
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| 22:19.23 | stew | distatica: i don't know. certainly not how he was saying. are you using dhcp? are you perhaps overriding the DNS server they give you? |
| 22:19.39 | AwesomeGuy | so what am I supposed to do to make it work |
| 22:19.46 | rahul | AwesomeGuy: what doesn't work? |
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| 22:19.59 | stew | AwesomeGuy: you need to set up /etc/network/ineterfaces "man interfaces" |
| 22:20.00 | rahul | AwesomeGuy: it's working perfectly according to that |
| 22:20.04 | stew | its not |
| 22:20.15 | rahul | oh, local net route |
| 22:20.19 | AwesomeGuy | so how do I do that? |
| 22:20.23 | stew | AwesomeGuy: so far you only have a link local address. you probably need to setup dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:20.33 | AwesomeGuy | how |
| 22:20.35 | DynamicPink | sigh |
| 22:20.47 | rahul | AwesomeGuy: we just told you... "man interfaces" |
| 22:20.48 | stew | AwesomeGuy: edit it with a text editor |
| 22:20.53 | stew | this isn't going to happen |
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| 22:21.00 | stew | AwesomeGuy: debian is probably not the distribution for you |
| 22:21.18 | AwesomeGuy | I've been using debian for 2 years |
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| 22:21.44 | AwesomeGuy | it usually isn't retarded like this |
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| 22:22.04 | AwesomeGuy | I'll try that on the laptop |
| 22:22.18 | eeyore-- | ricosecada: i was in the middle of typing reply to you :-) |
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| 22:22.23 | rahul | AwesomeGuy: you're the one who told it to set up the network without the default of dhcp... |
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| 22:22.36 | AwesomeGuy | when did I tell it that? |
| 22:22.37 | AwesomeGuy | brb |
| 22:22.46 | gener1c | sorry for the confusion , i guess im not ready to assist people just yet, cheers . :D |
| 22:22.51 | eeyore-- | ricosecada: you would first use mdadm to remove the failed disk, unplug the disk, plug the new disk in, partition it, then use mdadm to add it back to the array |
| 22:23.13 | ricosecada | eeyore--, thank you very much for the info :-) |
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| 22:23.38 | Akuwamari | i need an app to open .mo files |
| 22:23.38 | eeyore-- | ricosecada: the array will handle resyncing automagically |
| 22:23.40 | stew | AwesomeGuy: show us the contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:24.17 | stew | Akuwamari: what is contained in the file? what does "file /path/to/.mo" say it is? |
| 22:24.34 | Akuwamari | is a mambo language file |
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| 22:24.42 | ricosecada | eeyore--, thats really coold |
| 22:24.54 | ricosecada | eeyore--, cool not coold :-) |
| 22:25.27 | zinx | i need a coold for my laptop |
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| 22:25.43 | stew | i need a coold beer |
| 22:26.09 | zinx | cool daemon is a brand? gotta get me some of that |
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| 22:28.17 | Eulex | zinx, you probably just need to load a cpufreq governor. |
| 22:28.36 | zinx | Eulex: sadly that is not enough when utilizing the computer to its fullest ;) |
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| 22:28.59 | zinx | Eulex: it's got one fan to cool a c2d T7500 (2.2GHz) and an 8600M GT |
| 22:29.05 | Eulex | zinx, heh, ok |
| 22:29.11 | AwesomeGuy` | what am I supposed to put in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:29.14 | zinx | Eulex: and the hard drive, and wireless, and bluetooth, etc etc ;) |
| 22:29.20 | AwesomeGuy` | it already has dhcp in it |
| 22:29.33 | hilikus` | what do i need to restart after i have edited things like /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_mem |
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| 22:30.39 | AwesomeGuy` | can someone just make a /etc/networks/interfaces file for me that will work right |
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| 22:31.23 | AwesomeGuy` | will it work if I just do ifup -a? |
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| 22:31.53 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy`, man interfaces. and nobody except you can know what exactly you need to put in there. |
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| 22:32.16 | AwesomeGuy` | I did that, and it didn't have anything helpful in it |
| 22:32.28 | Eulex | it is very helpful |
| 22:32.39 | Eulex | it describes the syntax of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:33.18 | Eulex | and what the different pieces of syntax do. |
| 22:33.23 | AwesomeGuy` | maybe I should just reinstall debian so it can configure the internet by itself, like it did with my old dsl modem. |
| 22:33.35 | eeyore-- | AwesomeGuy`: dude, just "man interfaces" already |
| 22:33.42 | AwesomeGuy` | i did that |
| 22:33.45 | eeyore-- | AwesomeGuy`: and? |
| 22:33.52 | AwesomeGuy` | it didnt say how to fix it |
| 22:34.02 | AwesomeGuy` | i dont even know whats wrong in it |
| 22:34.12 | eeyore-- | AwesomeGuy`: that would be the first step isn't it? |
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| 22:34.27 | AwesomeGuy` | the file already has dhcp in it |
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| 22:34.53 | Tramp | AwesomeGuy`: about 20 minutes ago you were asked, to pastebin your interfaces file. Did I miss you telling us the URL? |
| 22:34.54 | eeyore-- | AwesomeGuy`: but the syntax might not be correct |
| 22:34.56 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy`, if you want people to help you with it, you should (1) pastebin your config file (2) describe what you want. |
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| 22:37.04 | Eulex | !tell AwesomeGuy` about pastebin |
| 22:38.16 | pgpkeys | and why read the man page expecting a "this happens, do this" response? read the man page, look at how an interfaces file is supposed to be laid out and what's valid entries and figure it out at least to SOME degree |
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| 22:38.58 | rahul | a man page is documentation, not level 1 tech support |
| 22:39.09 | Justin | isn't sure why the interfaces file doesn't start with the more common examples:) |
| 22:39.13 | rahul | and if you want level 1 tech support, don't expect it to work half the time |
| 22:39.23 | pgpkeys | wait.. this isn't #ididntpayforitsoiwantlevel1techsupport? |
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| 22:39.30 | pgpkeys | damn dude. NOW you tell me! |
| 22:39.40 | rahul | Justin: it doesn't? |
| 22:39.50 | rahul | Justin: that's news to me, since mine does. |
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| 22:40.19 | Justin | rahul: yours most likely starts with the same stupid mapping example |
| 22:40.21 | AwesomeGuy` | http://pastebin.org/24511 |
| 22:40.27 | AwesomeGuy` | there |
| 22:40.39 | rahul | Justin: iface eth1 inet dhcp? |
| 22:40.46 | pgpkeys | oh yeah, real stupid |
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| 22:41.01 | rahul | Justin: or did you expect it to read your mind and ONLY show that? |
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| 22:41.05 | pgpkeys | shakes his head and rolls his eyes |
| 22:41.18 | Justin | rahul: eh, it could show JUST THAT as the "most common configuration" first |
| 22:41.37 | rahul | Justin: that's what it comes as by default |
| 22:41.39 | pgpkeys | AwesomeGuy`: now.. how about describing what the fuck you're trying to do, and what's going on IN ADDITION TO the pastebin url |
| 22:41.41 | Justin | rahul: what percentage of debian users would you say actually use a mapping configuration? |
| 22:41.48 | rahul | AwesomeGuy`: you probably have a broken router, then |
| 22:41.56 | AwesomeGuy` | I'm not using a router |
| 22:42.06 | AwesomeGuy` | I just put the laptop right into the modem |
| 22:42.12 | jelly-home | Justin: examples may have been moved to /usr/share/doc/packagename/examples/ |
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| 22:42.23 | rahul | Justin: what percentage of debian users screw up answering the questions that are asked when they first install? |
| 22:42.25 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy`, so, does the modem do dhcp? and is the interface named eth0? |
| 22:42.31 | jelly-home | rahul: 50%? |
| 22:42.43 | AwesomeGuy` | how am I supposed to know |
| 22:42.45 | Justin | AwesomeGuy`: what kind of modem |
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| 22:42.57 | pgpkeys | AwesomeGuy`: by reading the MANUAL |
| 22:42.58 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy`, for the first question, refer to the documentation of the modem. |
| 22:43.00 | rahul | AwesomeGuy`: you're supposed to know because how would WE know? |
| 22:43.07 | AwesomeGuy` | motorola cable modem |
| 22:43.13 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy`, for the second question: check ifconfig |
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| 22:43.16 | pgpkeys | the user manual describes A) what can should be done abd B the manual for your hardware will explain |
| 22:43.23 | rahul | !penixstrike jelly-home |
| 22:43.23 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jelly-home to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 22:43.48 | Justin | bets resetting the "modem" would fix it |
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| 22:44.09 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy`, has this setup worked previously? |
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| 22:44.21 | AwesomeGuy` | it worked for my dsl modem I used to have |
| 22:44.25 | pgpkeys | resetting will probably lose his config since most providers don't default the modem to reusing the config they loaded on it |
| 22:44.38 | AwesomeGuy` | I never set anything up on the modem |
| 22:44.39 | pgpkeys | wow, it worked with THIS thing so it HAS to work with THAT |
| 22:44.52 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy`, well, but did this setup do? |
| 22:44.59 | rahul | AwesomeGuy`: what configuration did your ISP _tell_ you to use? |
| 22:45.09 | Justin | pgpkeys: most modems are perfectly capable of recovering from a power failure |
| 22:45.49 | rahul | Justin: power cycling isn't the same as pressing the reset button |
| 22:45.57 | eeyore-- | AwesomeGuy`: mii-tools eth0; is there link on eth0? |
| 22:46.01 | rahul | the reset button on a cable modem will clear to factory defaults |
| 22:46.07 | pgpkeys | Justin: power failures are NOT the same thing as a reset |
| 22:46.08 | AwesomeGuy` | my isp didn't tell me to do anything, I just plugged it into my computer and it worked |
| 22:46.12 | Justin | fine |
| 22:46.17 | Justin | unplug the modem. plug it back in |
| 22:46.29 | rahul | AwesomeGuy`: and did you unplug the modem after you unplugged it from the other computer? |
| 22:46.35 | AwesomeGuy` | no |
| 22:46.38 | pgpkeys | Justin: you HAVE to state that. that is VERY different than reset the modem |
| 22:46.42 | eeyore-- | AwesomeGuy`: no what? |
| 22:47.00 | AwesomeGuy` | no I didn't unplug the modem before I plugged it into the laptop |
| 22:47.01 | Justin | pgpkeys: i've never used a device where it was actually different |
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| 22:47.26 | eeyore-- | AwesomeGuy`: well, i'll hang around for a bit but i'm going to bed soon ... so ... |
| 22:47.33 | pgpkeys | then you haven't gotten service from most cable companies |
| 22:47.38 | Justin | though I usually just power cycle it, rather than try and find the stupid reset button and then find a stupid pin to press it |
| 22:47.48 | eeyore-- | AwesomeGuy`: are you sure eth0 is the ethernet interface? (it could be ieee1394) |
| 22:47.49 | abrotman | eeyore--: bed? what happened to dinner? |
| 22:47.57 | eeyore-- | abrotman: already ate :-) |
| 22:47.58 | AwesomeGuy` | I'll try unplugging it and plugging it back in then putting it in the laptop |
| 22:47.59 | Justin | phorce1: the reset button on my cable modem just resets it, it comes back up in a minute |
| 22:48.00 | pgpkeys | power cycling a modem is NOT the same thing as resetting the modem. |
| 22:48.08 | pgpkeys | they do 2 VERY distinctly different things |
| 22:48.11 | Justin | er, pgpkeys rather |
| 22:48.13 | abrotman | eeyore--: how do you go to bed when the sun is still up! |
| 22:48.13 | pgpkeys | 1 will fry the config |
| 22:48.15 | eeyore-- | pgpkeys: oh get off it :-) |
| 22:48.18 | Justin | pgpkeys: proof? |
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| 22:48.34 | eeyore-- | pgpkeys: nobody is talking about semantics here ... |
| 22:48.35 | abrotman | don't you think it depends on the model? |
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| 22:49.16 | pgpkeys | eeyore--: I'm not talking semantics. it's an everyday item that *any* technical support department for the top tier cable companies will tell you. |
| 22:49.38 | pgpkeys | abrotman: not that I've seen and I've done quite a few years tech support for cable companies. |
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| 22:49.44 | Justin | pgpkeys: most cable modems don't even have a reset button |
| 22:49.47 | Tramp | "reset" and "reboot" are clearly different things. It gets complicated, if you have a button labelled "reset" that does a reboot (but resets if you hold it for 5s or the like) |
| 22:49.51 | rahul | eeyore--: it's like the difference between "reboot" and "low-level format" |
| 22:49.52 | abrotman | pgpkeys: so you're 100% certain that justin's modem will reset to factory defaults? |
| 22:50.14 | eeyore-- | pgpkeys: dude ... it's pretty damn hard to "reset configs" on most ISP-supplied devices ... there usually isn't a button, for good reason |
| 22:50.17 | pgpkeys | i'm *trying* to keep someone from frying another user's config with no way to restore it except send it back to the company or have a field rep come and replace it |
| 22:50.25 | pgpkeys | eeyore--: that's utter bullshit |
| 22:50.26 | Tramp | but a power-cycle always reboot and never resets |
| 22:50.32 | eeyore-- | pgpkeys: usually you have to have admin access and use CLI to do that |
| 22:50.34 | abrotman | does the modem run debian? |
| 22:50.35 | edistar | if very power failure resulted in factory reset then hundreds of home would have problems :> |
| 22:50.50 | eeyore-- | pgpkeys: maybe you and i disagree on the definition of "reset" |
| 22:50.51 | rahul | edistar: no one claimed that would happen |
| 22:51.03 | rahul | eeyore--: uh, the BUTTON is labeled "reset" |
| 22:51.07 | eeyore-- | pgpkeys: i mean "reset to factory defaults" |
| 22:51.12 | rahul | it's not his or my defintion |
| 22:51.14 | eeyore-- | rahul: that's probably a restart :-) |
| 22:51.16 | rahul | or yours, either |
| 22:51.19 | rahul | eeyore--: probably not. |
| 22:51.32 | jelly-home | pgpkeys: we deal with this by having custom firmware in our CPEs... user resets to factory defaults... voila, CPE goes and asks our server for config. :-) |
| 22:51.38 | eeyore-- | rahul: computers have "reset" buttons too :-) |
| 22:51.43 | pgpkeys | abrotman: I am 100% certain that if he directs a user to press the reset button on the cable modem and it came from Adelphia, TCI, Comcast, or any other company even close to being a known quantity as a cable company that he'll fry the config |
| 22:51.47 | pgpkeys | that's what I mean |
| 22:52.02 | rahul | eeyore--: so? cable modems have ones that do something different, often. |
| 22:52.02 | abrotman | pgpkeys: and then he can call the ISP and get it fixed .. EoD |
| 22:52.20 | fiendishfish | I keep getting Konqueror crashing and telling me to check if dcopserver is running etc |
| 22:52.23 | eeyore-- | this is not productive |
| 22:52.27 | fiendishfish | " Could not read network connections list" |
| 22:52.29 | rahul | abrotman: and he'll have to pay $50 or some nonsense to get the tech to come over and do that |
| 22:52.32 | fiendishfish | "/home/fiendishfish/.DCOPserver__home___0" |
| 22:52.33 | pgpkeys | abrotman: hahaha ;) that's what I was trying to save the user FROM but OK. I know who you are in here so I'll drop it |
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| 22:52.53 | abrotman | rahul: okay... then fix his connection .. otherwise .. drop it |
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| 22:53.20 | jelly-home | fiendishfish: hmph. log out, kill all remaining kde processes (from console), remove that file, log in again? |
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| 22:53.30 | pgpkeys | groceries to carry up. & |
| 22:53.39 | eeyore-- | abrotman: you don't think it's PPPoE do you? cuz that'll suck :-) |
| 22:54.00 | abrotman | eeyore--: unless his PPPoE config is in his router .. not hte modem |
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| 22:54.05 | eeyore-- | abrotman: i don't think the guy remembers username/password if it's PPPoE |
| 22:54.08 | fiendishfish | jelly-home, that file doesn't exist. |
| 22:54.18 | fiendishfish | Another one does, where home is replaced with host |
| 22:54.26 | jelly-home | fiendishfish: one less step to do! |
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| 22:54.36 | fiendishfish | jelly-home, renaming it might wor |
| 22:54.38 | fiendishfish | work |
| 22:54.42 | enouf | i bet his dsl modem used pppoe and now cable uses always on |
| 22:54.44 | fiendishfish | I think it's the lack of the file that's causing the error. |
| 22:55.10 | rahul | enouf: well, he's got dhcp in his config |
| 22:55.16 | enouf | but that guy deserves to suffer anyway ;-) |
| 22:55.28 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 22:55.28 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 22:55.44 | rocketmaster | hi, i read about udev, but didnt really understand how i could do what i want to do, my porblem is i have a generic scsi device, and udev maps it to sg0 or sg2, it differs on every reboot.... how can i tel udev to always map it to sg0 then? |
| 22:55.52 | rahul | yeah, what with all the bad advice being given and his lack of knowledge and his lack of effort, I'm getting sick of helping him |
| 22:56.04 | Azar | someone dcc's me: 14:02 DCC unknown ctcp SCHAT from DiKKv |
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| 22:56.16 | eeyore-- | it's not uncommon for many windoze folks to forget about the stuff their ISP's tell them ... i have a lady that asked for my help with recovering a dead drive (no use, the drive has way too many errors) and she doesn't remember username / password for her pppoe (yes, cable modem) either ... |
| 22:56.21 | Azar | hello mister rahul |
| 22:56.23 | enouf | Azar: taken care of |
| 22:56.29 | rahul | hi Azar |
| 22:56.31 | Azar | :) thanks enouf |
| 22:56.48 | enouf | Azar: heh, not by me, but channel ops |
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| 22:57.23 | eeyore-- | rocketmaster: one sec ... |
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| 22:57.56 | eeyore-- | rocketmaster: /etc/udev/rules.d/ ... is there anything in *persistent* that would apply to you? |
| 22:57.57 | z-force | hello, i want to know how to set jack daemon on startup |
| 22:57.59 | freebird | se |
| 22:58.01 | freebird | sorry |
| 22:58.17 | fiendishfish | jelly-home, that's b0rked konqueror now |
| 22:58.20 | rocketmaster | eeyore--, thanks for help, let me look up, just one moment :) |
| 22:58.26 | eeyore-- | rocketmaster: basically you'd tell udev to match certain characteristics of the hardware and to always use a specific device name |
| 22:58.31 | PleXuS | anyone in here working with pxe on debian? |
| 22:58.42 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: at the moment, no |
| 22:58.45 | enouf | rocketmaster: /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
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| 22:59.02 | z-force | i would also know is there any new compiled alsa packages with oss emulation |
| 22:59.11 | PleXuS | damn.. i have tryed pxegrub but seems not to work becoz of no drivers for my network card |
| 22:59.18 | enouf | !info alsa-oss |
| 22:59.20 | dpkg | alsa-oss: (ALSA wrapper for OSS applications), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.15-1 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 22:59.21 | PleXuS | so back to pxelinux :| |
| 22:59.24 | z-force | *are there ;) |
| 22:59.44 | z-force | i am about not wrappers but alsa itself |
| 22:59.49 | enouf | install alsa-utils as well z-force |
| 22:59.58 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: is your motherboard capable of pxeboot by itself? |
| 23:00.02 | enouf | what? |
| 23:00.10 | z-force | and what about jack daemon? |
| 23:00.13 | PleXuS | eeyore--, yes |
| 23:00.17 | enouf | who's jack? |
| 23:00.22 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: so why do you need pxegrub? |
| 23:00.27 | edistar | PleXuS: check how edubuntu does it |
| 23:00.27 | z-force | jack audio connection kit |
| 23:00.30 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: just tell the bios to "boot from network" or some such |
| 23:00.31 | PleXuS | eeyore--, it works.. i did get grub also.. but couldn't access the network |
| 23:00.36 | enouf | that's a ubuntu thing |
| 23:00.37 | rocketmaster | eeyore--, a lot of z**-persistant-something files, and one general |
| 23:00.47 | fiendishfish | jelly, wanna see the error i'm getting |
| 23:00.47 | rocketmaster | but when i look at it... its very cryptic |
| 23:00.48 | enouf | jokes |
| 23:00.50 | fiendishfish | jelly-home * |
| 23:00.52 | eeyore-- | rocketmaster: look at persistent-net rule for examples |
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| 23:01.00 | enouf | !tell z-force -about search |
| 23:01.07 | eeyore-- | rocketmaster: yes, it sure is :-) have fun figuring it out |
| 23:01.16 | rocketmaster | eeyore--, i c , there is a mac address given mapped to eg eth0 |
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| 23:01.36 | eeyore-- | rocketmaster: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:13:ce:b8:10:44", NAME="eth1" |
| 23:01.40 | PleXuS | edistar, you mean from there discs? |
| 23:01.44 | enouf | !z25 |
| 23:01.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 23:01.51 | rocketmaster | eeyore--, and i see a ruleset for sg* too, but.... what to do with it? what should i write for 'hardware specific characteristics' ? |
| 23:01.57 | fiendishfish | Whenever I open konqueror, I get errors and can't open imageviewers etc with it. :http://rafb.net/p/ZXVMp885.html |
| 23:02.17 | edistar | PleXuS: yeah, their source |
| 23:02.28 | rocketmaster | or how do i get them, and how to test if this works? restarting udev? or need to reboot? |
| 23:02.29 | eeyore-- | rocketmaster: well, how would you differentiate the device to be called "sg0" from the device to be called "sg2"? scsi id? |
| 23:02.38 | PleXuS | edistar, but thats no pxe boot |
| 23:02.41 | PleXuS | ? |
| 23:02.45 | z-force | i haven't got any answers for my question |
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| 23:02.50 | enouf | rocketmaster: man udevcotrol ; run reload_rules |
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| 23:03.02 | enouf | er udevcontrol |
| 23:03.16 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: i'm slightly confused ... if your motherboard can do pxeboot, why are you having problems? |
| 23:03.18 | edistar | PleXuS: edubuntu has pxeboot |
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| 23:03.32 | eeyore-- | z-force: which is? |
| 23:03.35 | z-force | i want to use alsa with jack audio connection kit by libasound-plugin to make multichannel audio output support |
| 23:03.50 | enouf | there are some scsi config files i've seen scattered throughout /etc/ , byt scsitools pkg might help |
| 23:03.57 | PleXuS | eeyore--, trying to boot windows setup.. |
| 23:03.58 | enouf | s/byt/but |
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| 23:04.16 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: uh .... you're trying to boot windows setup over the network? |
| 23:04.17 | enouf | try #alsa, try #jack |
| 23:04.18 | PleXuS | eeyore--, i know grub better but that seems not to work becoz of driver issue |
| 23:04.29 | enouf | see linuxsound.org |
| 23:04.36 | z-force | i have hda nvidia sound chip (snd-hda-intel module), no hardware sound mixing supported :( |
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| 23:04.45 | PleXuS | eeyore--, yeah unattended one :) |
| 23:04.46 | enouf | !dmix |
| 23:04.46 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 23:04.53 | edistar | PleXuS: if there is no eth driver that's no pxegrub failure, that's an image matter |
| 23:05.01 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: uh .... why? |
| 23:05.05 | enouf | see alsa-project.org |
| 23:05.06 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: read up on "sysprep" |
| 23:05.22 | enouf | isn't that xpoop? :-( |
| 23:05.27 | rocketmaster | http://pastebin.com/m666d8c98 |
| 23:05.46 | enouf | yeah, sysprep - grab ultimatebootcd, barts pe |
| 23:05.46 | rocketmaster | this is from dmesg and /etc/udev/persistant-rules |
| 23:05.49 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: install once, patch once, sysprep, dump image, restore image, boot, answer a few questions and presto, new windows machine |
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| 23:06.14 | rocketmaster | and it says nothing to me :( |
| 23:06.30 | PleXuS | eeyore--, don't want to work with image.. i want unnatended installation :) |
| 23:06.39 | enouf | find and google slipstream xpoop |
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| 23:07.03 | enouf | unattended* |
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| 23:07.06 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: you assume windows will allow you to boot over the network ... i don't know for a fact that it does, and there is no advantage to doing it your way |
| 23:07.41 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: you do know that running sysprep will also cause a rebuild of the pnp database next boot, right? among other things? |
| 23:07.47 | z-force | what about win-modem drivers? |
| 23:07.48 | enouf | what's the indian guys name msomething |
| 23:07.52 | PleXuS | eeyore--, winpe works ;) |
| 23:07.53 | eeyore-- | PleXuS: no of course not, because you haven't read the sysprep doc :-) |
| 23:08.01 | petemc | eeyore--: amit singh? |
| 23:08.08 | enouf | linmodems ? |
| 23:08.14 | eeyore-- | petemc: hmm? :-) |
| 23:08.16 | abrotman | enouf: manoj ? |
| 23:08.26 | rocketmaster | but... what i do not understand is WHY does udev always use a different number? there is only ONE scsi device.... others are sata emulated scsi |
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| 23:08.37 | petemc | eeyore--: indian guys name, i didnt read back for context |
| 23:08.41 | petemc | if there was any |
| 23:08.42 | PleXuS | eeyore--, yeah but sysprep on win vista is to weard to do :p |
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| 23:09.13 | enouf | abrotman: petemc nah, i was talking about slipstreaming xpoop http://www.nliteos.com/nlite.html |
| 23:09.17 | enouf | nlite |
| 23:09.18 | petemc | right ho |
| 23:09.58 | bartmon | hey guys! i'm just installing debian and in order to gain access to the network from the computer i need to spoof the MAC address. is that possible from ash? |
| 23:10.09 | enouf | abrotman: nice guess though, sure manoj is the schiznit ;-) |
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| 23:10.23 | abrotman | enouf: leave me alone! |
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| 23:10.45 | eeyore-- | bartmon: ifconfig eth0 hw ether c0:ff:ee:c0:ff:ee |
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| 23:11.27 | zblaxell | bartmon: don't you mean "is that possible from busybox's ifconfig"? |
| 23:11.29 | bartmon | eeyore--: yeah, i wish it was that simple. During the installer only the ash shell runs which doesn't know the command ifconfig. |
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| 23:11.33 | enouf | old old bookmarks, hehe http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/ |
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| 23:12.03 | eeyore-- | abrotman: i got me a new vanity plate (the DMV screwed up the delivery of my preferred plate so i have to go to second choice, that sucks). my first choice was "ESC :WQ!" :-) (or :-p since they lost the plate) |
| 23:12.16 | Zygo | bartmon: tried /sbin/ifconfig? Maybe ifconfig just isn't in the PATH |
| 23:12.26 | abrotman | eeyore--: hehe |
| 23:12.29 | bartmon | hmmm |
| 23:12.29 | bartmon | let's see |
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| 23:12.35 | abrotman | eeyore--: i don't think we can have a : in PA |
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| 23:13.03 | eeyore-- | abrotman: THAT's why i was so happy i got the ESC thing in ... THEN they had to go and lose the effing plate! :-p |
| 23:13.20 | abrotman | eeyore--: so where is it? why didn't you get it if they screwed up? |
| 23:13.50 | eeyore-- | abrotman: well because if the plate is around somewhere then it's still under my name :-) so they had to cancel it (take it out of circulation) |
| 23:13.52 | dvs | eeyore--: Let me guess: you got the "ASSMAN" plate. ;-) |
| 23:14.07 | eeyore-- | dvs: no, that would be florida, A55< >RGY |
| 23:14.08 | abrotman | eeyore--: sounds like someone else wanted it |
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| 23:14.12 | dvs | heh |
| 23:14.32 | enouf | why can't nano have a nice easy search function like everything else,, ( hit / , type keyword. press Enter) |
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| 23:14.51 | EtherNet- | hello guys |
| 23:14.52 | pgpkeys | i could have sworn I saw an ASSMAN plate when I lived in FL ;) |
| 23:14.53 | enouf | ctrl-w is just dumb |
| 23:14.56 | eeyore-- | abrotman: my second choice is considerably less geeky ... GR0CERY |
| 23:15.04 | abrotman | eeyore--: uh .. yeah |
| 23:15.19 | moshii | is there anything like NFS but maybe does so caching, can handle a network link going down for a small period of time etc? |
| 23:15.20 | EtherNet- | is there a way to enable under Xorg "click" and "double click" with touchpad, cause it's easier than pushing the buttons. I use synaptics. |
| 23:15.39 | enouf | and then it doesn't even highlight . .and there's no pressing 'n' to repeat search :-( |
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| 23:15.55 | enouf | even my browser does this ;-) |
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| 23:16.34 | eeyore-- | EtherNet-: use the synaptics driver, also the kernel module has different options (than the older module) ... at one point the synaptics tap-to-click behaviour changed |
| 23:16.55 | enouf | has the search ( / + <keyword> + <enter> ) and the highlight functionality \o/ |
| 23:16.57 | z-force | and how to set timidity++ alsa sequencer on startup? not to sudo modprobe snd-seq and launch timidity at each boot time |
| 23:17.01 | z-force | manually |
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| 23:17.35 | enouf | dvs: haha @ assman .. are you art vanderle ? |
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| 23:17.55 | dvs | enouf: no, he's my attorney. |
| 23:19.01 | prolix | this is much less daunting now that apt works for me. i knew i should've done the install with the ethernet cable plugged in, but i did enjoy the troubleshooting experience |
| 23:19.32 | prolix | thank you kind people |
| 23:20.09 | edistar | enouf:to repeat search in nano just press enter again |
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| 23:20.24 | enouf | edistar: hrm .. /me tries |
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| 23:20.31 | eeyore-- | alias nano=vim |
| 23:20.49 | enouf | edistar: nope |
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| 23:23.11 | edistar | enouf: you need to pres ctrl+w again,but the last keyword is default if you don't type anything else |
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| 23:24.03 | enouf | edistar: well sure, that i know, thanks anyway |
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| 23:25.08 | enouf | with less , links2, even menuconfig, and many others,it's just 'n' |
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| 23:26.09 | bartmo1 | hello again. Indeed cding to /sbin/ and executing ifconfig worked, however i can't spoof the MAC! ifconfig ethX hw ether 00:wh:at:ev:er doesn't work, i get the same old MAC after executing this command. |
| 23:27.54 | rocketmaster | can i disable udev? ...:> |
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| 23:31.01 | Varange | hi. |
| 23:31.26 | Varange | what is the name of the package I need to reconfigure to set up a static IP address? |
| 23:31.38 | Varange | !networking |
| 23:31.39 | dpkg | it has been said that networking is at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/ and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Networking-Overview-HOWTO.html and "man interfaces" |
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| 23:32.07 | eeyore- | night |
| 23:32.10 | dvs | night |
| 23:32.12 | Varange | !reconfigure |
| 23:32.12 | dpkg | reconfigure is probably really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 23:32.34 | Varange | what is the name of the package I need to reconfigure to set up a static IP address? |
| 23:32.45 | dvs | Varange: networking? |
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| 23:36.29 | Xenguy | Varange: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:36.36 | Xenguy | Varange: is the file to configure |
| 23:36.55 | Xenguy | Varange: back it up first of course |
| 23:36.56 | Xenguy | :-) |
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| 23:39.21 | lymeca | I'm trying to start a server daemon but it's complaining that port 5222 is already bound. I can't figure out what process is using it however. |
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| 23:39.34 | lymeca | What tool can I use to tell what apps are using which ports? |
| 23:39.38 | dvs | lsof |
| 23:40.45 | vorpal | how can i map module names to kernel config options ? |
| 23:41.12 | Xenguy | lyminsk: yes, try 'lsof -i' for a start |
| 23:41.26 | Varange | Xenguy, thanks |
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| 23:41.53 | vorpal | very often hel pages speak of the module name, but i haven't figured out how to find the config option |
| 23:41.57 | vorpal | help* |
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| 23:42.13 | bartmo1 | I'm just installiing Debian on a freshly built computer; I'm wondering which kernel to install: 2.6.18-6-686 or 2.6-686. Is the latter one just some kind of meta package? |
| 23:42.50 | real0ne | when i startet my debian i have a lot of errore message can any one help me? |
| 23:43.18 | vorpal | real0ne: find out what the error messages mean, and then look for a solution |
| 23:44.47 | real0ne | vorpal target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init |
| 23:44.56 | real0ne | that is the first one |
| 23:45.12 | real0ne | i have search a lot and i don't have found any reponse |
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| 23:47.10 | abrotman | real0ne: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:48.05 | azeem | real0ne: does it have /var/lib/dpkg/info still? |
| 23:48.45 | real0ne | abrotman /bin/sh: dkpg: not found |
| 23:48.54 | azeem | you typoed it |
| 23:48.57 | real0ne | azeem i don't know |
| 23:49.02 | azeem | real0ne: so find out? |
| 23:49.09 | real0ne | azeem how? |
| 23:49.12 | abrotman | real0ne: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:49.18 | azeem | real0ne: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 23:50.24 | real0ne | azeem ls: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 : No such file or directory |
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| 23:50.33 | real0ne | abrotman /bin/sh: dkpg: not found |
| 23:50.38 | azeem | what |
| 23:50.41 | azeem | it's dpkg |
| 23:50.45 | azeem | not dkpg |
| 23:50.47 | real0ne | no |
| 23:50.52 | abrotman | goes to put knives in the socket |
| 23:50.55 | real0ne | ls /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 23:51.26 | azeem | real0ne: did you mount the root file system? |
| 23:51.31 | simonrvn | @comfort abrotman |
| 23:51.33 | ravenbird | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 23:52.24 | real0ne | i thing that is what i have , but i haven't do anything, i have just shutdonw the pc when i restart i have this message |
| 23:52.26 | AlgorithmicContr | My mate got a Logitech Wave and for some reason it didn't recognize a lot of the keys.. He did use evtest to get the keycodes for the keys. But Well.. with keytouch it won't let him manually enter a scan code.and it doesn't recognize some of the keys as being pressed.I think he can manually build a file for lineak.. but someone else suggested using the evded driver in xorg and going from there. Can someone help? |
| 23:52.48 | azeem | real0ne: so what does the ls command say? |
| 23:53.17 | real0ne | bin, dev, init, root ... |
| 23:53.30 | azeem | in /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
| 23:54.28 | real0ne | azeem in ?? |
| 23:54.34 | azeem | 00:49 < real0ne> ls /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 23:54.42 | azeem | did you actually run that command yet? |
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| 23:54.48 | real0ne | yes |
| 23:54.51 | azeem | so |
| 23:54.54 | azeem | 00:51 < azeem> real0ne: so what does the ls command say? |
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| 23:55.06 | simonrvn | AlgorithmicContr: if that thing is new, then you won't see anything unless/until your friend helps out ;) |
| 23:55.07 | real0ne | i have run it but he give me no such file or directory |
| 23:55.15 | azeem | real0ne: so why don't you report that? |
| 23:55.18 | simonrvn | real0ne: people are still waiting |
| 23:55.25 | azeem | do you think I'm telling you to run those commands for fun? |
| 23:55.38 | real0ne | i have say that a long time |
| 23:55.41 | azeem | no |
| 23:55.47 | AlgorithmicContr | simonrvn: ...ok |
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| 23:56.12 | real0ne | <azeem> real0ne: does it have /var/lib/dpkg/info still? |
| 23:56.12 | real0ne | <real0ne> abrotman /bin/sh: dkpg: not found |
| 23:56.12 | real0ne | <azeem> you typoed it |
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| 23:56.43 | real0ne | azeem so u have see? |
| 23:56.51 | simonrvn | AlgorithmicContr: i'd go see keytouch's web site, they might have a definition file |
| 23:56.57 | azeem | real0ne: how is "/bin/sh: dkpg: not found" not found a reasonable answer to "ls /var/lib/dpkg/info"? |
| 23:57.04 | simonrvn | real0ne: wtf are you doing? |
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| 23:57.15 | azeem | real0ne: in any case, your system is broken, reinstall |
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| 23:57.32 | azeem | real0ne: maybe try to backup some important data via a livecd |
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| 23:57.43 | real0ne | azeem i have some data |
| 23:57.50 | azeem | so back it up |
| 23:57.50 | real0ne | ok |
| 23:57.52 | real0ne | thaks |
| 23:58.04 | real0ne | i have buck it up with ubunto live cd |
| 23:58.46 | real0ne | but when i reinstall can i use the swap partition to backup all? |
| 23:58.52 | azeem | what? |
| 23:59.02 | azeem | when you reinstall, you do not backup |
| 23:59.05 | azeem | you reinstall |
| 23:59.37 | real0ne | ok |
| 23:59.38 | abrotman | does a /whois |
| 23:59.47 | Tramp | morocco |
| 23:59.59 | real0ne | i thing swap partition help with backup |