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| 00:00.07 | azeem | real0ne: I don't |
| 00:00.08 | real0ne | what is morrocco |
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| 00:00.26 | Tramp | a nice country, I guess |
| 00:00.27 | abrotman | Tramp: the chan list .. not the locale |
| 00:00.46 | AlgorithmicContr | simonrvn: none seem to work |
| 00:00.46 | AVRS | good night |
| 00:00.50 | Tramp | ah, ok. |
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| 00:01.44 | simonrvn | do you know what swap is? apparently not.... |
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| 00:03.25 | bartmon | I have a very basic question. In which file are SSH users and passwords defined (on a SSH server)? |
| 00:03.43 | abrotman | /etc/passwd |
| 00:03.48 | Tramp | bartmon: /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
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| 00:03.54 | grand_grunt | bartmon: same than local login |
| 00:04.02 | bartmon | to be expected, doh |
| 00:04.10 | bartmon | sry guys :P |
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| 00:04.36 | grand_grunt | bartmon: But you can configure ssh-server to specify only a few users |
| 00:04.43 | bartmon | it's too late for my brain to function normally |
| 00:04.48 | enouf | simonrvn_: it asked in ##linux at the same time as here (simulaneously) and who kknows where else - i told it, http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html there in ##linux, it said in reply to that ; [19:52:53] <AlgorithmicContr> enouf: This is a desktop keyboard |
| 00:04.54 | enouf | simonrvn_: ;-) |
| 00:05.14 | simonrvn_ | 'k gotcha. thanks |
| 00:06.08 | AlgorithmicContr | enouf: ...I'm not a troll |
| 00:06.30 | simonrvn | no one called you that |
| 00:06.52 | AlgorithmicContr | simonrvn: "It"? |
| 00:07.28 | simonrvn | you're not an it? :P |
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| 00:07.30 | enouf | it == he/she |
| 00:07.41 | bartmon | Is the default kernel configuration suitable for ip masquerading? |
| 00:07.48 | enouf | shorter to type |
| 00:07.51 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:07.55 | bartmon | in etch? |
| 00:08.05 | simonrvn | no in foobar |
| 00:08.08 | bartmon | excellent! |
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| 00:08.12 | AlgorithmicContr | enouf: and how was it simulaneous? |
| 00:08.12 | enouf | install ipmasq |
| 00:08.38 | enouf | AlgorithmicContr: do i really need to paste the time stamps from both channels? |
| 00:08.54 | AlgorithmicContr | enouf: (03/19/2008 04:52:25 PM) @ #debian, (03/19/2008 04:51:26 PM) @ ##linux |
| 00:09.39 | enouf | [19:49:10] <AlgorithmicContr> My mate got a Logitech Wave and for som .... from ##linux |
| 00:09.58 | enouf | [19:50:09] <AlgorithmicContr> My mate got a Logitech Wave and for some r .... from here |
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| 00:10.35 | enouf | 1 minute? close enough to simultaneous for me ;-) |
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| 00:11.02 | enouf | now you ARE a troll :-P |
| 00:11.08 | simonrvn | i think i've been in ##linux exactly once |
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| 00:11.11 | stew | enouf: please drop it |
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| 00:11.49 | simonrvn | uh oh, debhelper changed the +l |
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| 00:14.56 | icesword | this day,when i start my debian box,it told me power management isn't rightly installed,please contact your admin,what could be wrong |
| 00:15.14 | simonrvn | contact your admin ;) |
| 00:15.24 | icesword | i am doing a etch-->lenny |
| 00:15.31 | icesword | hohoho,i am admin |
| 00:16.19 | grand_grunt | icesword: contact yourself. icesword, what's the matter with power management? mh? |
| 00:17.21 | icesword | i am not sure,you know when i do a dist-upgrade,power was cut off near the end of upgrade,so when this day i started it,it just told me that |
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| 00:17.28 | simonrvn | so reinstall it. might have to remove it (the package) first, depending on its state |
| 00:17.40 | icesword | oohhhhhh,god |
| 00:17.44 | icesword | plz |
| 00:17.47 | simonrvn | ah, you might just be able to continue the upgrade |
| 00:18.02 | icesword | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:18.08 | simonrvn | though running dpkg --configure --pending is probably all you need |
| 00:18.41 | icesword | pending means what? |
| 00:18.53 | icesword | should i kill x before i do it |
| 00:19.35 | simonrvn | don't have to, though if x is one of those, be a good idea |
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| 00:20.10 | johndbritton | I'm trying to monitor CPU temp with munin, but I get this error from acpi "No support for device type: thermal" |
| 00:20.15 | johndbritton | any ideas |
| 00:20.19 | abrotman | johndbritton: age of CPU ? |
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| 00:20.57 | icesword | ok.let 's stop gdm |
| 00:21.00 | johndbritton | johndbritton: less than two years |
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| 00:21.22 | johndbritton | abrotman: i think im missing a package or something, but im not certain |
| 00:21.26 | abrotman | johndbritton: acpid ? |
| 00:21.32 | johndbritton | got that |
| 00:21.58 | johndbritton | abrotman: dual product: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.20GHz |
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| 00:22.28 | abrotman | johndbritton: modprobe thermal ? |
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| 00:22.59 | johndbritton | still the same error |
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| 00:24.01 | hmuller | Is this the right place to ask questions related to building debian packages? |
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| 00:24.41 | odla | does intlclock replace the clock applet in gnome 2.22 and is it not yet in debian? |
| 00:24.59 | enouf | johndoevodka: modprobe thermal? |
| 00:25.00 | themill | hmuller: sometimes. or /msg dpkg mentors |
| 00:25.02 | enouf | er, |
| 00:25.09 | enouf | johndbritton: modprobe thermal? |
| 00:25.21 | enouf | acpi-support? |
| 00:25.22 | hmuller | themill: roger, I'll try here first |
| 00:25.22 | johndoevodka | enouf: wtf |
| 00:25.29 | grand_grunt | enouf: "abrotman> johndbritton: modprobe thermal ?" |
| 00:25.31 | enouf | wtf bad tab |
| 00:25.36 | johndoevodka | wtf highlighted me |
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| 00:25.49 | themill | !confuse johndoevodka |
| 00:25.50 | dpkg | No, who are your pants yesterday, johndoevodka? shirts of the people's republic of tahiti with extra ham |
| 00:25.52 | hmuller | Does debuild have problems signing where an openpgp smartcard is used to store secret keys, or is their a configuration step I am missing? |
| 00:26.05 | johndoevodka | !confuse me |
| 00:26.05 | dpkg | Yes, what is your gouda yesterday, johndoevodka? shirts of the republic of mongolia with extra cheese |
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| 00:26.27 | enouf | !latesmite me |
| 00:26.37 | johndbritton | enouf abrotman: modprobe thermal, still the same error |
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| 00:26.41 | simonrvn | odla: the funky panel clock i'm playing with now |
| 00:26.58 | enouf | acpi -V says? |
| 00:27.03 | factotum | can someone give me a link to some documentation on upgrading from etch to sid? |
| 00:27.05 | simonrvn | odla: with the weather and such; probably in exp., i had to get some from there earlier |
| 00:27.09 | odla | simonrvn: oh is it in gnome 2.22 in debian now? |
| 00:27.12 | abrotman | johndbritton: it's possible you just don't have support ... check your bios |
| 00:27.13 | enouf | No support for device type: thermal <-- my old p2 :-P |
| 00:27.13 | johndbritton | No support for device type: thermal enouf |
| 00:27.14 | odla | simonrvn: ah ... thanks |
| 00:27.28 | simonrvn | odla: has been for a little while now |
| 00:27.36 | odla | simonrvn: do you know what it's called? i tried apt-cache search intlclock but no luck |
| 00:27.39 | enouf | welp, install er, lm-sensors? cpufreqd? who knows |
| 00:27.43 | johndoevodka | !bite me |
| 00:27.43 | dpkg | takes a big bite out of johndoevodka's jugular vein |
| 00:27.51 | johndbritton | abrotman ok |
| 00:28.01 | themill | factotum: if you have to ask how to do it, then you probably shouldn't be doing it. |
| 00:28.07 | simonrvn | odla: the applet, just added support for TZ and weather |
| 00:28.13 | icesword | !sid > factotum |
| 00:28.20 | abrotman | icesword: stop |
| 00:28.28 | icesword | abrotman, stop what |
| 00:28.36 | abrotman | attempting to help |
| 00:29.06 | icesword | abrotman, ??? |
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| 00:29.24 | factotum | themill, so there is no documentation on how to do it? I have arch running on my other box, just want to glance over it is all. |
| 00:29.29 | odla | simonrvn: ok thanks |
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| 00:29.48 | factotum | its alright i have it anyways |
| 00:29.55 | factotum | but thanks for the opinion |
| 00:30.11 | simonrvn | np |
| 00:30.30 | themill | factotum: if you're not clueful enough to find it yourself, then you're not going to be able to fix the problems that you find with sid. It's a self-enforcing barrier to stop people shooting themselves in the foot too much. |
| 00:30.51 | themill | factotum: Just remember that sid is not really designed to be used by people. |
| 00:31.10 | factotum | i haven't yet in the last 6 years. The only reason I asked was because I didnt have my browser open. Get over it. |
| 00:31.11 | abrotman | only bots |
| 00:31.13 | icesword | factotum, they don't support sid,you have your own risk doing that |
| 00:31.20 | factotum | i know this |
| 00:31.44 | icesword | and they don't tell that |
| 00:31.52 | factotum | quick! pretend im a choir! |
| 00:32.10 | abrotman | factotum: could you sing a little? |
| 00:32.10 | themill | wtf? |
| 00:32.39 | factotum | laa!! I meant pretend Im a choir, you dont need to preach to me |
| 00:32.52 | simonrvn | oh neat, i don't even have to run that extra applet |
| 00:33.09 | icesword | i say,lenny is good and new enough |
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| 00:33.20 | simonrvn | actually, i do if i want the radar image ;) |
| 00:33.33 | abrotman | simonrvn: your ass is that big? |
| 00:33.55 | simonrvn | yup, so big it's pointy |
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| 00:34.22 | enouf | hey! i'm eating over here ffs! .. |
| 00:34.22 | odla | simonrvn: thanks that was it ... just needed to upgrade gnome-panel. i thought i had all of gnome 2.22 but i guess now |
| 00:34.24 | odla | er ... not |
| 00:34.27 | enouf | :-p |
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| 00:35.30 | simonrvn | afk ;) |
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| 00:35.52 | EtherNet_ | anyone know a good desktop bar for battery charge, cpu usage, and other information under GNOME2 ? |
| 00:36.19 | Wyzard | EtherNet_: I use the "system monitor" applet for CPU/RAM/etc. |
| 00:36.19 | abrotman | EtherNet_: desktop bar? |
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| 00:36.20 | enouf | aha .. abrotman i just recalled, johndbritton got all new hardware from his hosting company or whatever - they upgraded ALL his hardware except the HDDs, so likely he is missing some specific CPU and chipset support (or the old stuff is loading too) |
| 00:36.25 | Wyzard | EtherNet_: and gnome-power-manager provides battery status |
| 00:36.40 | johndbritton | enouf: different machine |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | EtherNet_: there is the gdesklets stuff |
| 00:36.50 | enouf | johndbritton: oh, sorry then |
| 00:36.53 | enouf | abrotman: nm ;-) |
| 00:36.56 | johndbritton | enouf: no prob, thanks |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | enouf: why you make me feel like icesword ? |
| 00:37.11 | enouf | hehe |
| 00:37.15 | johndbritton | lol |
| 00:37.30 | johndbritton | abrotman: enouf the sensors on that machine are working |
| 00:37.31 | icesword | abrotman, mean what? |
| 00:37.41 | icesword | you are laughing at me? |
| 00:37.46 | enouf | johndbritton: which kernel? |
| 00:38.07 | johndbritton | enouf: I didn't chage from the one I was running |
| 00:38.12 | johndbritton | so i think -6? |
| 00:38.18 | johndbritton | k7 |
| 00:38.27 | johndbritton | not too sure |
| 00:38.33 | abrotman | johndbritton: and the CPU is ? |
| 00:38.47 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:39.07 | abrotman | maybe -k7 doesn't have all the support of the -686 ? |
| 00:39.43 | enouf | i would grep the config for SPEED and CELERY is it? wait, CELERON? |
| 00:39.46 | johndbritton | i just ran sensors-detect on that machine, it froze |
| 00:39.51 | enouf | gah |
| 00:40.00 | enouf | johndbritton: did you check the BIOS? |
| 00:40.07 | enouf | like abrotman asked you to |
| 00:40.21 | johndbritton | enouf: no... remote machine, i'll check tomorrow when im down there |
| 00:40.29 | abrotman | new kernel ? |
| 00:40.35 | johndbritton | fresh etch install |
| 00:40.40 | enouf | could try, sure |
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| 00:40.52 | johndbritton | im saying it is a fresh install |
| 00:41.02 | johndbritton | just did it a couple days ago |
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| 00:42.29 | EtherNet_ | I am looking for a bar like karamba under KDE, but something for GNOME2 |
| 00:42.46 | enouf | johndbritton: so lsmod shows thermal? |
| 00:42.56 | johndbritton | enouf: yeah |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | EtherNet_: gdesklets ? |
| 00:43.07 | johndbritton | maybe it just doesn't support it |
| 00:43.17 | enouf | johndbritton: how about processor? |
| 00:43.37 | EtherNet_ | abrotman, is it for that purpose? |
| 00:43.52 | abrotman | EtherNet_: no .. but likely what you are looking for? |
| 00:43.56 | abrotman | !gdesklets |
| 00:43.56 | johndbritton | well the machine is down, and I can't access it until tomorrow |
| 00:44.02 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 00:44.02 | dpkg | salut |
| 00:44.03 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:44.08 | enouf | wuh? |
| 00:44.20 | enouf | $ apt-cache search lmsensors |
| 00:44.21 | enouf | gdesklets-data - Applets for gdesklets |
| 00:44.36 | johndbritton | i ran sensors-detect ... crashed the box, i cant access it until i go there tomorrow |
| 00:44.45 | enouf | ouch |
| 00:44.49 | abrotman | dpkg: gdesklets is <reply>gDesklets is a system for bringing mini programs (desklets), such as weather forecasts, news tickers, system information displays, or music player controls, onto your desktop, where they are sitting there in a symbiotic relationship of eye candy and usefulness. http://www.gdesklets.de/ |
| 00:44.49 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 00:44.56 | johndbritton | its a new machine, nothing running on it yet |
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| 00:45.01 | johndbritton | so its no problem |
| 00:45.58 | odla | simonrvn: are you running nautilus 2.22? if so can you open your home folder by clicking on the icon on the desktop (assuming you didn't get rid of it via gconf-editor)? |
| 00:45.59 | enouf | johndbritton: read the lm-sensors docs and such, IINM, the SpeedStep stuff is more for cpufreq scaling and such - but still, look into all thaty, grab the Mobo PDF manual, look that over |
| 00:46.15 | johndbritton | yeah |
| 00:46.18 | johndbritton | thanks |
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| 00:46.45 | odla | simonrvn: i guess that goes for the trash and computer icon too ;) |
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| 00:49.32 | Joelito | a queston: is it going to be r4 or are they going to hit to debian 5? |
| 00:50.02 | azeem | Joelito: what are you talking about? |
| 00:50.11 | abrotman | Joelito: you mean Lenny? |
| 00:50.58 | Joelito | azeem, abrotman: I meant if there's going to be debian r3 or..they release debian 5 lenny as stable |
| 00:51.15 | abrotman | Joelito: there is already etch 4.0r4 .. Lenny will be 5.0 |
| 00:51.36 | abrotman | erm .. 4.0r3 |
| 00:51.53 | abrotman | Joelito: and i'm sure there will be additional r# updates to etch |
| 00:51.57 | PleXuS | anyone played with KDE4 ? |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | PleXuS: #kde or #debian-kde |
| 00:52.23 | enouf | johndbritton: looks like a prerequisite http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/drivers/acpi/Kconfig#L156 do; grep ACPI_THERMAL /boot/config-$(uname -r) when you can |
| 00:52.39 | Joelito | abrotman: hehe, ok....so no date to the final debian 5? |
| 00:52.39 | simonrvn | meh, he left again |
| 00:52.45 | m0ng0ape | I am trying to set up password protected samba share - it keeps telling me login is wrong when I try to mount the dir. any ideas what this could be or any good dguides out there? |
| 00:53.04 | abrotman | Joelito: nope .. |
| 00:53.11 | abrotman | Joelito: didn't we tell you that last week? |
| 00:53.15 | stew | m0ng0ape: how did you set the samba password? |
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| 00:53.29 | Joelito | abrotman: nop, was other question :p |
| 00:53.35 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:53.41 | Joelito | but thanks.. :) |
| 00:53.43 | PleXuS | abrotman, thanks ;) |
| 00:53.50 | stew | Joelito: there will never be a date set. it will be released whenever the RC bug count is at zero: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 00:54.08 | stew | has it actually been decided that the version number will be 5? |
| 00:54.36 | simonrvn | tell odla that no the home icon and trash icon don't work anymore, and yeh i'm running nautilus 2.22 |
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| 00:56.08 | Joelito | because the one thing that keep from using debian is brasero... eaither update to lenny (which in my pc without internet can't do that) |
| 00:56.26 | hmuller | dpkg: am I trying to beat my head against a wall by attempting to build a source package with debuild using an openpgp smartcard? (errs out at the signing, says it can't find the secret key) |
| 00:56.27 | m0ng0ape | stew: smbpasswd -a |
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| 00:56.56 | abrotman | Joelito: brasero isn't that good .. there are other burning tools |
| 00:57.21 | abrotman | <simonrvn> tell odla that no the home icon and trash icon don't work anymore, and yeh i'm running nautilus 2.22 |
| 00:57.22 | themill | hmuller: dpkg is a bot |
| 00:57.26 | stew | Joelito: why is brasero keeping you from using debian? |
| 00:57.34 | odla | abrotman: thanks ;) |
| 00:57.37 | Joelito | abrotman: actually I was trying gnomebaker and it doesn't also detect previous multisessions :( |
| 00:57.45 | odla | abrotman: i was just looking on the bts |
| 00:57.46 | stew | hmuller: what exactly is the error you get? |
| 00:57.49 | hmuller | themill: now that's a laugh |
| 00:57.56 | abrotman | Joelito: so? |
| 00:58.10 | abrotman | Joelito: there are a dozen or more burning applications in etch |
| 00:58.20 | Joelito | abrotman: I need constant cd backups |
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| 00:58.51 | hmuller | stew: gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available |
| 00:58.52 | abrotman | Joelito: so check out the other apps for burning |
| 00:59.23 | stew | hmuller: this is an error from debsign? |
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| 00:59.27 | hmuller | stew: the card is inserted, and gpg --card-status indicates it is/can be read |
| 00:59.48 | Joelito | abrotman: I only tried brasero and gnomebaker |
| 00:59.59 | hmuller | stew: not really, it's prefixed with gpg, but like I said, I can read it from the command line, encrypt/decrypt etc. |
| 01:00.03 | stew | Joelito: how is brasero keeping you from using debian? |
| 01:00.07 | abrotman | Joelito: that's your fault .. try others |
| 01:00.23 | stew | hmuller: what exact command did you run that gave you that error? |
| 01:00.24 | abrotman | Joelito: there must be other burning apps that support reading previous multisessin info |
| 01:00.48 | hmuller | stew: debuild -S -sa |
| 01:01.19 | stew | hmuller: have you tried running debsign to sign the package? |
| 01:01.33 | Joelito | abrotman: is it possible to have compiz and emerald using plain etch? |
| 01:01.44 | abrotman | Joelito: on a server? |
| 01:02.01 | Joelito | abrotman: my desktop pc |
| 01:02.12 | abrotman | Joelito: i have no idea .. i don't use either .. |
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| 01:03.27 | hmuller | stew: thanks, you just pointed me in the right direction. debsign errs out too, but now I have a direction to troubleshoot |
| 01:03.51 | stew | hmuller: debuild is really just calling debsign |
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| 01:03.59 | icesword | Joelito, what is it |
| 01:04.05 | stew | Joelito: compiz yes. i don't know what emerald is |
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| 01:04.25 | hmuller | stew: It looks like I have to go back and fix the changelog, appreciate your insight! |
| 01:04.57 | stew | hmuller: or maybe pass -kkeyid to debsign? |
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| 01:05.06 | stew | (which could also be passed to debuild iirc) |
| 01:05.22 | azeem | it's better to fix changelog really |
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| 01:05.50 | hmuller | stew: Sorry, what was the last? I saw you comment as I was leaving |
| 01:06.31 | stew | < stew> hmuller: or maybe pass -kkeyid to debsign? < stew> (which could also be passed to debuild iirc) < azeem> it's better to fix changelog really |
| 01:07.06 | hmuller | stew: and azeem. Thanks, I'm out, gotta put the daughter to bed |
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| 01:08.40 | Joelito | another question: Do I actually need repos. with deb-src? |
| 01:08.41 | Ed_L` | poo |
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| 01:08.54 | abrotman | Joelito: only if you want source packages |
| 01:09.00 | stew | Joelito: only if you intend to get the source of the packages |
| 01:09.06 | icesword | i don;t get the point |
| 01:09.25 | Joelito | abrotman, stew: thanks..so, i guess I can remove it :) |
| 01:14.14 | EtherNet_ | abrotman, excellent, it was what I was looking for. gdesklets |
| 01:14.20 | abrotman | see! |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | you doubted me .. now you will pay .. or something |
| 01:15.11 | EtherNet_ | abrotman, =) you're a master >=:P |
| 01:15.23 | abrotman | no .. toll booth worker |
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| 01:17.05 | vvd | whats the name of the package with those bitmap fonts called gelly and cure and so? |
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| 01:17.33 | vvd | and so :P thats so german-english |
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| 01:22.13 | icesword | vvd, if you are not sure,then search,open synaptic,search |
| 01:22.22 | abrotman | apt-cache search is too hard? |
| 01:22.49 | ymorin | or search on package.debian.org |
| 01:22.54 | icesword | i like gui,:( |
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| 01:23.31 | davi | Is it good time to upgrade from stable to sid? |
| 01:23.32 | ymorin | icesword, gui who? |
| 01:23.41 | vvd | yeah, too hard, im young you know |
| 01:23.44 | abrotman | davi: you try it and let us know |
| 01:23.50 | davi | :) |
| 01:23.54 | icesword | graphic user interface |
| 01:24.04 | ymorin | i know... |
| 01:24.20 | icesword | gui who? |
| 01:24.20 | nomadz | hello, when i have installed Etch and want to build a new kernel (needed for my 3ware controller), do i need to specifcly set it to 64bit cpu or does the compiler that for me? |
| 01:24.46 | dondelelcaro | nomadz: you probably should just use the kernels from unstable or similar. |
| 01:24.57 | dondelelcaro | nomadz: just wget them and dpkg -i the appropriate one. |
| 01:24.59 | abrotman | backports.org |
| 01:25.16 | nomadz | ah thats a nice one, thanks |
| 01:25.19 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: are those only the 2.6.22? Don't remember if the newest 3ware driver didn't make it there |
| 01:25.27 | nomadz | no i need .24 |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | ah .. then yes, from unstable |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yes, until .24 hits lenny |
| 01:25.46 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: right |
| 01:25.47 | nomadz | ok thanks :) |
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| 01:29.01 | UG[Gone] | np: Puddle Of Mudd - If I Could Love You [03:10m/207kbps/44kHz] |
| 01:29.55 | Joelito | Does dvd+rw-tools comes by default in etch or I have to apt-get it? |
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| 01:30.05 | dondelelcaro | UG[Gone]: please turn that off. |
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| 01:32.58 | enouf | Joelito: it's in the repos |
| 01:33.06 | enouf | apt-get it |
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| 01:34.19 | Joelito | maybe that's my brasero problem :S |
| 01:34.29 | Joelito | I don't have it :\ |
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| 01:37.05 | enouf | Joelito: /msg dpkg search , /msg dpkg reference (as well, to help yourseif) |
| 01:38.45 | nomadz | hmm |
| 01:38.50 | nomadz | unstable is sid right? |
| 01:38.58 | nomadz | (i am a long time freebsd user) |
| 01:39.16 | nomadz | but packages.debian.org doesnt give me a kernel higher than .22 |
| 01:40.17 | abrotman | nomadz: packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 .. for example |
| 01:40.40 | nomadz | huh strange why doesnt the search give me that one |
| 01:40.41 | nomadz | thanks :D |
| 01:41.21 | nomadz | is that one 64bits? |
| 01:41.30 | nomadz | omg i wish i really had some more time to figure it all out |
| 01:41.35 | WormFood | I get it with sid |
| 01:41.52 | icesword | WormFood, hello |
| 01:42.03 | WormFood | hi icesword, how are you doing this morning? |
| 01:42.14 | icesword | hmm,not bad |
| 01:42.25 | icesword | you still in gz? |
| 01:42.30 | WormFood | yes |
| 01:42.45 | WormFood | I will go to Dongguan today, and then Shenzhen tomorrow (I think) |
| 01:43.07 | WormFood | at least, that is the plan ;) |
| 01:43.12 | icesword | hmm,i suppose you are on a travel |
| 01:43.32 | WormFood | I go to DG for an interview, then I will stay with a friend in SZ |
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| 01:43.55 | odla | nomadz: when you search with packages.debian.org are you changing the release from 'etch' to 'any'? |
| 01:44.01 | icesword | ok.like you gonna work in there |
| 01:44.21 | odla | nomadz: excuse me i mean 'stable' to 'any' |
| 01:44.24 | WormFood | maybe, it depends on the school, and how things go there |
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| 01:45.54 | nomadz | odla, yeah i am just a newbie with linux (long term freebsd user), i didnt search for kernelimage itself |
| 01:46.30 | nomadz | eeuh linux-image |
| 01:46.47 | odla | nomadz: also debian is ported to freebsd so make sure you do search for linux-image as there's other kernels ;) |
| 01:47.28 | WormFood | nomadz, just take a little bit of time to learn the apt/dpkg system...it is all pretty straight forward. |
| 01:47.56 | nomadz | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 01:48.03 | WormFood | it can be very confusing when you start, and have to do anything more than apt-get update/upgrade/install, but that is what the docs are for |
| 01:48.07 | nomadz | nice, this is the one i need i suppose :) (p4 64bit) |
| 01:48.53 | odla | nomadz: also you can search with apt-cache search <foo> provided you have sid in your sources.list |
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| 01:59.09 | TomMD | Is there a way to install Debian as a Xen DomU via http? |
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| 02:05.43 | vorpal | hey folks, what software can i use to view a video4linux device without X ? |
| 02:06.46 | pipeline | I don't think you can. |
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| 02:07.02 | abrotman | doesn't mplayer have an aalib thingie? |
| 02:07.11 | pipeline | yeah, but can mplayer tickle v4l directly? |
| 02:07.18 | pipeline | mplayer has a svgalib driver |
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| 02:07.36 | abrotman | pipeline: i don't use either .. |
| 02:07.43 | vorpal | OK, i'll just setup X the n |
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| 02:08.39 | abrotman | the o! |
| 02:08.52 | icesword | desktop is not server,hooo |
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| 02:12.29 | enouf | v4l can't use directfb ? |
| 02:13.08 | abrotman | some things .. i just don't want to know |
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| 02:14.25 | muddd | um, if i uninstalled apt, where do i go get the .deb pkg to reinstall it again? |
| 02:14.37 | Superbartt | http://packages.debian.org |
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| 02:15.03 | muddd | man how that hid from me I will have no idea, thx |
| 02:15.15 | Superbartt | hehe lol |
| 02:15.39 | abrotman | big rock! |
| 02:17.48 | Superbartt | maybe even a mountain? :P |
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| 02:18.33 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! When I cat a midi file to /dev/sequencer it says "No space left on device". I use KDE with ALSA sound and have timidity installed and working. The real problem is that Settlers 2 does have no midi music because dosemu cats the midi music to /dev/sequencer. Settlers 2 has such great music ... Any ideas |
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| 02:19.08 | abrotman | all that for Settlers2 ? |
| 02:19.49 | ErkiDerLoony | Of course! Greatest game ever! ;-) |
| 02:19.53 | \amethyst | ErkiDerLoony: have you read /usr/share/doc/dosemu/sound-usage.txt.gz ? |
| 02:20.10 | \amethyst | ErkiDerLoony: it has some stuff in there about ALSA MIDI, I think |
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| 02:21.59 | ErkiDerLoony | Yes, I've read that one. |
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| 02:23.00 | ErkiDerLoony | But I don't have no /dev/snd/midi* to which I could redirect the timidity input. |
| 02:23.04 | enouf | $ cat /proc/asound/seq/* interesting |
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| 02:24.20 | enouf | ErkiDerLoony: doesn't appear ? $ lshal | grep linux.device_file |
| 02:24.30 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.48 | ErkiDerLoony | Nope. |
| 02:25.14 | enouf | maybe you want to modprove all the virtual midi crap like i have :-P |
| 02:26.28 | enouf | "lsmod | grep snd" |
| 02:26.28 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/949838 |
| 02:26.43 | enouf | heh, look at all that mess O_o |
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| 02:28.44 | ErkiDerLoony | Hm. The pastbin seems down or too busy. |
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| 02:29.19 | ErkiDerLoony | But there are some "midi-modules" loaded, like snd_mixer_oss, snd_rawmidi. |
| 02:29.31 | ErkiDerLoony | Or at least those look like having sth to do with midi to me. |
| 02:30.12 | ErkiDerLoony | snd_seq, snd_seq_device, snd_seq_dummy, snd_seq_midi_event |
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| 02:31.03 | enouf | that paste loads fine here |
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| 02:32.59 | ErkiDerLoony | http://www.edgar-kalkowski.de/temp.tmp |
| 02:33.05 | ErkiDerLoony | There it is. |
| 02:33.26 | m0ng0ape | why would I be able to use smbclient -L xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -U samdude (works perfectly after password prompt), but then my winxp system gets bad password errors when trying to connect to same system ? this is driving me NUTS |
| 02:34.27 | muddd | are your passwords encrypted? |
| 02:34.37 | muddd | in smb.conf |
| 02:34.41 | m0ng0ape | yea |
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| 02:35.40 | muddd | ah but xp i see... wonder if that would work |
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| 02:36.51 | muddd | have you tried undoing that option it may help |
| 02:37.09 | enouf | character encoding? iocharset= and codepage= options? |
| 02:37.09 | muddd | can't remember for xp, been so long since i've ued xp |
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| 02:38.51 | m0ng0ape | enouf: what should they be set to? |
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| 02:44.20 | lymeca | I'm booting off of a single 147GB SAS drive with Xen and multiple instances of Debian. I just installed a second SAS drive of the same make/model which I would now like to mirror in a RAID-1 array with the existing SAS drive. Can I accomplish this without destroying data or restarting? |
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| 02:46.58 | mudder | muddd: are you a harvey mudd alum too? or a puddle of mudd fan, perhaps? |
| 02:47.17 | abrotman | or his name is Derek Mudd |
| 02:47.44 | mudder | his name is mudd? |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | no idea |
| 02:48.15 | jetscreamer | will he sell us 3 wives of incredible beauty? |
| 02:48.24 | jetscreamer | or soso |
| 02:48.45 | mudder | hehe jetscreamer. you're showing your age ;) |
| 02:48.51 | m0ng0ape | muddd: enouf: at a loss here. any ideas? |
| 02:49.02 | jetscreamer | harcourt fenton mudd |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: was he the doctor that fixed up Mr. Booth? |
| 02:49.27 | jetscreamer | original star trek |
| 02:49.42 | abrotman | i think i win |
| 02:50.01 | mudder | jetscreamer: or harry mudd, as he was called by jim. |
| 02:50.12 | jetscreamer | he was the android king also |
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| 02:50.45 | jetscreamer | mudder: yeah but his wife stella the android in the robot one bitched him out using the full name |
| 02:50.50 | jetscreamer | i forgot the harry |
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| 02:51.31 | enouf | m0ng0ape: no idea, was just a guess |
| 02:51.56 | enouf | try #windows? |
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| 02:52.12 | m0ng0ape | :( thanks anyway. I'm gonna see how far I can throw this server now... |
| 02:52.18 | enouf | try #networking? |
| 02:52.26 | gp5st | would anyone be able to tell me how to have an interface get its ip with dhcp? i don't see dhclient installed |
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| 02:52.37 | gp5st | it's a knoppix box |
| 02:52.43 | jetscreamer | that's ##windows & ##networking |
| 02:52.52 | gp5st | (yes i asked tere, just wondering) |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | gp5st: #knoppix .. man 5 interfaces .. have a nice day |
| 02:52.56 | gp5st | there* |
| 02:53.40 | gp5st | no need to sound so mean, I wouldn't have thought to man interfaces, thanks |
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| 02:54.06 | abrotman | gp5st: also ##linux would work |
| 02:54.11 | enouf | jetscreamer: won't they be forwarded? |
| 02:55.38 | gp5st | i know, i jsut thought maybe this would be more helpful |
| 02:55.46 | gp5st | knoppix is debian based (i thought) |
| 02:56.17 | enouf | jetscreamer: i do that in case it's not the other way around, say if the real channel is one # and i tell them 2 ##, then they'll likely think they got the correct channel, but only got the misfits and throwaways |
| 02:56.24 | enouf | hides |
| 02:56.28 | gp5st | hmm, ifconfig wlan0 inet dhcp returns dhcp: unknown host |
| 02:56.28 | abrotman | gp5st: we don't support debian based distros here .. next time try #knoppix or ##linux |
| 02:56.45 | gp5st | nm, that's me reading wrong...sorry |
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| 02:57.07 | gp5st | i wasn't aware it was a distro specific query |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | gp5st: please go away |
| 02:58.01 | gp5st | geeze |
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| 03:00.54 | jetscreamer | yeah they should be but i think once i saw tht it didn't cuz there was another #channel |
| 03:01.14 | jetscreamer | but it wasn't a name brand kind of thing |
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| 03:03.15 | vvd | when i boot 2.6.24 i get "Unable to set System Clock to: something" at startup and my clock is somewhere in the future. :) |
| 03:04.10 | jetscreamer | vvd: some don't like to set when the difference is > a set amount.. try changing in bios and see if it sets then maybe |
| 03:04.17 | jetscreamer | not sure about the debian one |
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| 03:04.38 | jetscreamer | sets then when you boot i mean |
| 03:04.45 | jetscreamer | or change it manually with date |
| 03:05.08 | jetscreamer | well not sur ethat would work actuall come to think of it |
| 03:05.14 | jetscreamer | might |
| 03:05.21 | vvd | jetscreamer: im using ntp and with 2.4.22 there aint no such warnings |
| 03:05.38 | abrotman | from texas? |
| 03:05.53 | jetscreamer | who me? |
| 03:06.07 | abrotman | no |
| 03:06.23 | jetscreamer | oh his ain't |
| 03:06.27 | jetscreamer | let me guess |
| 03:06.33 | vvd | thats some insider? |
| 03:06.34 | jetscreamer | you don't think ain't is a word :) |
| 03:06.37 | m0ng0ape | why would I be able to use smbclient -L xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -U samdude (works perfectly after password prompt), but then my winxp system gets bad password errors when trying to connect to same system ? tried net use x: \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share /USER:samdude and net use x: \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share /USER:WORKGROUP\samdude |
| 03:06.53 | jetscreamer | i say ain't all the time.. i don't think i type it though |
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| 03:07.14 | vvd | is aren't better? |
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| 03:07.40 | WormFood | it is more gooder |
| 03:07.49 | jetscreamer | is am are was were be being been has have had do does did may might must can and could... and ain't |
| 03:08.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:08.28 | jetscreamer | i still remember that from like 3rd grade |
| 03:08.41 | jetscreamer | that's like... weird |
| 03:08.51 | enouf | goober? |
| 03:08.52 | abrotman | jetscreamer: isn't your youngest like .. 15? :) |
| 03:08.56 | jetscreamer | or a tribute to old school schooling |
| 03:09.00 | jetscreamer | 17 now |
| 03:09.05 | jetscreamer | both moved out |
| 03:09.09 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:09.12 | jetscreamer | cept for the one who moved back :/ |
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| 03:11.53 | jetscreamer | short banlist |
| 03:11.55 | metbsd | is there way to get encrypted password for sendmail |
| 03:12.00 | gp5st2 | hey, sorry to come back, but this is always and has been he most helpful channel: it's like this interface is getting it's ip from the dhcp server, but the gateway is not being set and i don't know how to do that by hand, and i wasn't aware that you could specify a gateway in netwroking/interfaces if dhcp was set |
| 03:12.26 | abrotman | gp5st2: ask #knoppix or ##linux |
| 03:12.36 | abrotman | gp5st2: your questions are off-topic here |
| 03:12.52 | WormFood | gp5st, man route |
| 03:13.15 | gp5st2 | whya re they off topic? it's a debian based system, and plus no on answeres there |
| 03:13.21 | gp5st2 | thanks worm |
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| 03:13.40 | abrotman | gp5st2: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
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| 03:13.48 | jetscreamer | because debian is anal that way, and too large to help all distros |
| 03:13.59 | jetscreamer | just think of all the ppl who would come and ask |
| 03:13.59 | abrotman | gp5st2: in the future, please keep your questions to those relating to Debian |
| 03:14.23 | jetscreamer | it's not that we don't want to help |
| 03:14.32 | jetscreamer | it's triage or something |
| 03:14.32 | abrotman | uh .. stop? |
| 03:14.51 | jetscreamer | ban me too!!! j/k |
| 03:14.56 | metbsd | is there way to get user encrypted password |
| 03:15.02 | metbsd | i don't find nothing in /etc/password |
| 03:15.27 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: no |
| 03:15.43 | jetscreamer | next time just pretend it's debian :o |
| 03:15.48 | metbsd | newbie be quiet |
| 03:15.51 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: is it your system? :) |
| 03:15.55 | jetscreamer | hides |
| 03:16.00 | metbsd | yes |
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| 03:16.17 | infernal_jesus | well then you should know the content of your /etc/password shouldn't you? : |
| 03:16.18 | infernal_jesus | :D |
| 03:16.30 | m0ng0ape | so much for running smb server on etch.. |
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| 03:16.59 | metbsd | i need to transfer many users password from password file to mysql |
| 03:17.24 | metbsd | what's diff between /etc/password and /etc/shadow |
| 03:17.28 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: well /etc/password is encrypted, and shadowed in a well-secured system |
| 03:17.29 | WormFood | metbsd, use a password cracker |
| 03:17.45 | metbsd | ... |
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| 03:17.56 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: when it's shadowed, instead of the encrypted password you see an "x" |
| 03:17.59 | metbsd | any serious linux user here |
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| 03:18.13 | abrotman | metbsd: you got the answer |
| 03:18.43 | abrotman | metbsd: though .. if your mysql system uses md5sum passwords, you may be able to move them directly into the database from the shadow file |
| 03:19.11 | WormFood | the passwords in the password file are encrypted using a 1-way scheme....it is like putting a pig in a grinder....you can not turn the crank backwards and get a pig out of the grinder |
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| 03:19.36 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: for example, when a password is shadowed, an /etc/passwd line looks like "root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash" |
| 03:19.51 | infernal_jesus | x is where the encrypted password usually is |
| 03:20.06 | metbs1 | what about in /etc/shadow |
| 03:20.22 | metbs1 | if i want to get the encrypted passwd i should find it in shadow right? |
| 03:20.40 | abrotman | metbsd: though .. if your mysql system uses md5sum passwords, you may be able to move them directly into the database from the shadow file |
| 03:21.12 | infernal_jesus | metbs1: yeah, the /etc/shadow file should have the encrypted password |
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| 03:21.27 | metbs1 | i got it |
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| 03:22.11 | nomadz | you can convert them to 1 file with pwconv |
| 03:22.19 | nomadz | easy for scripting it into mysql :) |
| 03:22.24 | metbs1 | what file |
| 03:22.30 | nomadz | passwd |
| 03:22.34 | metbs1 | .. |
| 03:22.39 | metbs1 | that's what i tring to avoid |
| 03:22.51 | gacrux | passwords are put into shadow so the encrypted password can't be read by users |
| 03:22.59 | metbs1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.07 | nomadz | yeah |
| 03:23.12 | nomadz | i am used to master.passwd :) |
| 03:23.21 | metbs1 | but /etc/passwd use /etc/shadow? |
| 03:23.26 | metbs1 | how is /etc/shadow be used? |
| 03:24.01 | nomadz | i have no idea, i use debian since today, but my first guess is libc |
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| 03:24.15 | nomadz | <- long term freebsd user ;P |
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| 03:25.19 | gacrux | metbs1 - how do you mean? |
| 03:25.46 | metbs1 | i mean, how is /etc/shadow used? |
| 03:25.54 | c_cinq | hello. how do i keep /tmp from resetting after each shutdown? |
| 03:26.01 | WormFood | metbs1, it is used pretty well :P |
| 03:26.04 | gacrux | - /etc/shadow holds users encrypted passwords |
| 03:26.24 | metbs1 | it's for user not able to read it, privacy. rigth? |
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| 03:26.48 | grendal_prime | my brethren...i am lost... |
| 03:26.55 | metbs1 | but it's quite slow if many users |
| 03:27.01 | metbs1 | cuz it searches the whole file |
| 03:27.02 | gacrux | yeah it is set to -r-------- 1 root root 1077 Feb 11 11:49 /etc/shadow |
| 03:27.12 | gacrux | so only root can read it |
| 03:27.19 | WormFood | grendal_prime, you are in #debian...now you are not lost anymore :P |
| 03:27.22 | metbs1 | when user change password, /etc/shadow changes too? |
| 03:27.31 | gacrux | whereas /etc/passwd is readable by any user |
| 03:27.34 | gacrux | yep |
| 03:28.19 | grendal_prime | well that is a bit steep..confused by rsync..now it has never failed me before however now when i run it..i get a shitload(literally) of files that read that the source file is newer than the destination file..yet it does not copy them and infact errors with a (code 23)..people ..what the hell is a code 23 ? |
| 03:29.42 | grendal_prime | ive googled it tell im pink in the....well lets leave it at ive googled it and found nothing of any assistance |
| 03:30.18 | Tramp | c_cinq: if you mean by "resetting" being cleaned up then man rcS, see TMPTIME |
| 03:35.27 | c_cinq | Tramp:thanks |
| 03:35.29 | Tramp | grendal_prime: so you ran with "-v" and did not get any additional warnings (as the first thing that came up when I googled suggests)? |
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| 03:39.15 | Tramp | grendal_prime: As the manpage states, 23 is "Partial transfer due to error". If -v does not tell you, what the error is, it may be difficult. |
| 03:40.47 | grendal_prime | Tramp: you Tramp you...ya actually i use -vvv wich is v^3rd power...sortalike...well something Einstien would have come up if they had google back in his day..but forget all this i digress i think i figured out what it is..wanna know? |
| 03:41.50 | clinton | can anyone tell me which package holds intltoolize ? |
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| 03:44.14 | Tramp | grendal_prime: I can hardly wait to hear 8) |
| 03:44.17 | grendal_prime | im consolidating several servers in my garage into one dell 2450 power edge(sexy machine by the way) Anyway i coppied all the stuff from my backup server (the one that has been using rsync with np) to my new dell server and when i did that it set the creation date for well the 13th And guess what.... the files on the source of my backup process are older than that..well most of them. So rsync is telling me the ones on the new server are newer |
| 03:44.17 | grendal_prime | tha the source im backing up..its keeping me from f-wording my backups with something older. |
| 03:44.26 | icesword | i upgrade to lenny,but cannot start 2.6.22 kernel,why,it hanged at wait for root filesystem lke that |
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| 03:45.34 | grendal_prime | this is a theory at this point..but hey it makes sence so far...im gonna ace all the backups i have with the bad date stamp.. |
| 03:46.03 | Tramp | grendal_prime: great. There is no such thing as "creation date" |
| 03:48.36 | grendal_prime | your not a very fun person |
| 03:48.46 | Tramp | but yeah. if you copy them the "wrong way" the cdate (and maybe even the mdate) will be modified. |
| 03:49.09 | grendal_prime | staff/register/inv_maint/edit_class_form.php is newer |
| 03:49.10 | Tramp | grendal_prime: that's right. And additionally I have no sense of humour. |
| 03:49.20 | grendal_prime | heheh |
| 03:49.30 | Tramp | helps when you live in .ch |
| 03:49.54 | grendal_prime | wow..well the first step tword the cure is addmitting you have a problem |
| 03:50.44 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.49 | grendal_prime | what is that date for? |
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| 03:51.29 | grendal_prime | if its not a create date i find it odd that they are all the exact same data that the files were scp'd from one machine to the other |
| 03:51.40 | grendal_prime | sorry date not data |
| 03:52.07 | grendal_prime | it may not be a create date....what would you like me to call it? |
| 03:52.23 | Tramp | if it's a plain "ls -l" it's the mtime. with -c it's the ctime |
| 03:52.55 | grendal_prime | hmmm im confused what would ctime be now? |
| 03:52.59 | Tramp | time of last modification (mtime) or time of last status change (i.e. inode information changed) ctime |
| 03:53.05 | simonrvn | and it means changed date, not creation |
| 03:53.14 | simonrvn | that ^^^ |
| 03:53.24 | Tramp | grendal_prime: e.g. if you change permission, you change the inode |
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| 03:53.36 | Tramp | that's what I'm just explaining |
| 03:53.44 | grendal_prime | but if it had not been in existance could we maybe assume that was the date it was created? |
| 03:54.13 | Tramp | grendal_prime: yes, but then it's a coincidence and confusing |
| 03:54.33 | simonrvn | *ding* |
| 03:54.44 | Tramp | grendal_prime: often people ask "how can I find out when a file was created" and the answer usually is "you can't" |
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| 03:55.55 | grendal_prime | but in this case...it would be the date that it was created...i have done nothing else with them... |
| 03:56.05 | grendal_prime | so ....it....would be the creation date |
| 03:56.14 | simonrvn | no such concept in *nix... only thing you could do i suppose is make a note of it in an VCS or something |
| 03:56.28 | simonrvn | s,an,a, |
| 03:56.31 | clinton | How do I get dpkg-buildpackage to install dependencies automatically? |
| 03:56.47 | simonrvn | use something else |
| 03:56.54 | Tramp | find out, in which of your numerous regular backups the file appears |
| 03:57.06 | simonrvn | like you know, apt-get install, or auto-apt |
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| 03:57.22 | clinton | simonrvn, it isn't in the repository, I'm installing from source |
| 03:57.38 | simonrvn | then make an equivs for it |
| 03:57.43 | simonrvn | !equivs |
| 03:57.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 03:57.45 | grendal_prime | well however you want to "term" it. that was the problem its working now |
| 03:58.08 | simonrvn | you should install it properly however. this makes the task easier... |
| 03:58.11 | grendal_prime | thank you for the information though it is good to know that..it makes me sound smater to(and thats no easy trick) |
| 03:58.16 | clinton | auto-apt looks like what I need |
| 03:58.26 | Tramp | grendal_prime: great I could help. |
| 03:58.49 | grendal_prime | we do need to get you a woopy cussion though bro |
| 03:59.00 | grendal_prime | or..some simblence of one. |
| 03:59.18 | simonrvn | Tramp needs no such gimmicks to be funny ;P |
| 03:59.22 | grendal_prime | where is it you live again cz? |
| 03:59.36 | simonrvn | ch is switzerland |
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| 04:00.01 | grendal_prime | ooooohhhh... cold...but damn hot chicks.. |
| 04:00.10 | riot | GAH. msmtp got an old bug again. GRR. |
| 04:00.45 | riot | VERY annoying. |
| 04:01.06 | simonrvn | i can imagine |
| 04:01.08 | grendal_prime | well tramp...for the assistance..i pledge to marry your sister...(the ugly one) If you so wish it..and you can stay at my place in california anytime you come to visit.. |
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| 04:01.45 | grendal_prime | ill even fly down and pick you up in my airplane free of charge! |
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| 04:02.04 | grendal_prime | and give you a quick tour of yosemite in the flight back. |
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| 04:02.18 | Tramp | grendal_prime: the ugly one is taken (she's the one with no brains) but thanks for the offer. I like it cold and dark though, thus california would be the wrong place for me. |
| 04:02.44 | grendal_prime | id say your making out like a bandit on this deal though really... |
| 04:03.09 | grendal_prime | trust me if you need to come to california..im the man to meet when you get here. |
| 04:03.35 | grendal_prime | i know...."things" about this place |
| 04:03.55 | Tramp | k. I'll kept that in mind mate. |
| 04:04.02 | Tramp | keep |
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| 04:06.58 | grendal_prime | and im glad i dont have to marry anyone again...it pisses my wife off when chicks show up and explain that im supposed to marry them because their brother helped me with some computer thing!! |
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| 04:07.37 | grendal_prime | i mean i think she gets unreasonably angry about the entire thing... |
| 04:07.45 | grendal_prime | weomen |
| 04:08.52 | grendal_prime | by the way i got a shitload of relatives from sweden...they say that the cell phones here suck...so be prepaired for a bit of a dissapointment... |
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| 04:08.58 | grendal_prime | in that area anyway |
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| 04:09.49 | grendal_prime | we do have great bikinnis here though..and i have a 22 foot macgregor sailboat we can spend the weekend on. |
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| 04:10.56 | dylix | hello? |
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| 04:12.02 | dylix | whats the best way to tell how much ram is being used |
| 04:12.17 | dondelelcaro | dylix: free |
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| 04:12.55 | dylix | MemTotal: 2060168 kB |
| 04:12.57 | dylix | MemFree: 49088 kB |
| 04:13.01 | dylix | theres no way |
| 04:13.08 | dondelelcaro | !free ram |
| 04:13.08 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 04:13.44 | dylix | ok thanks :) |
| 04:13.47 | dondelelcaro | so yes, you have only 49M that's not being used. However, a large percentage of that is trivially freeable. |
| 04:13.49 | dylix | that sounds about right |
| 04:14.46 | dylix | thx dpkg |
| 04:15.12 | grendal_prime | success!!! |
| 04:15.37 | grendal_prime | i never could have done it without you ...you Tramp (and thank your sister too!!) |
| 04:15.57 | grendal_prime | actually thats not totally true...but kiss your sister anyway!! |
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| 04:19.55 | Tramp | !win grendal_prime |
| 04:19.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, grendal_prime! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 04:28.25 | andresete | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.31 | phil2 | Do you of any good user editors that works under bash? |
| 04:29.14 | andresete | Nano is good editor. |
| 04:29.21 | grendal_prime | user editor? |
| 04:29.26 | grendal_prime | like adduser? |
| 04:29.29 | peterS | editors that work under bash? huh? |
| 04:29.31 | phil2 | Yes |
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| 04:29.33 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.53 | grendal_prime | those are pretty damn good |
| 04:29.55 | phil2 | I am looking for a utility 2007 not 1970 |
| 04:30.02 | peterS | bash can _launch_ any editor. but no editors run "under bash" that I know of |
| 04:30.04 | phil2 | 1970 |
| 04:30.06 | virgin18 | nano is pretty much the best imo |
| 04:30.13 | phil2 | Ok |
| 04:30.22 | grendal_prime | as far as setting up groups..edit the group file |
| 04:30.41 | phil2 | I am going to have to write one. |
| 04:30.48 | grendal_prime | and virgin18 im totally with you on the nano thang... |
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| 04:31.00 | grendal_prime | F*&% VI |
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| 04:31.22 | grendal_prime | i hate the werid write of passage that goes along with Vi |
| 04:31.29 | peterS | indeed, I rarely use vi, generally if I'm gonna use a vi-a-like I use vim |
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| 04:31.41 | virgin18 | yup, vi sucks. |
| 04:31.55 | phil2 | usermod login +g group to add additional group for that uer? |
| 04:31.57 | virgin18 | why use vi if you have nano |
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| 04:32.04 | peterS | ...though mostly it's because there are enough vim fanboys out there that vim is often the default vi on a system I'm using |
| 04:32.17 | peterS | phil2: adduser username groupname |
| 04:32.21 | infernal_jesus | peace |
| 04:32.27 | peterS | though I suppose usermod can do it too |
| 04:32.28 | grendal_prime | right..i got to fly in the morning...im hitting the sac..old lady needs servicing..you guys take it easy. |
| 04:32.54 | grendal_prime | and phil2 i think you will find that eding the group file is pretty damn simple really. |
| 04:33.03 | grendal_prime | with that |
| 04:33.03 | virgin18 | have a nice fly sir |
| 04:33.05 | grendal_prime | IM OUT |
| 04:33.25 | grendal_prime | thows his hands in the air and hits the door |
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| 04:36.39 | bonderponder | hello does anybody knows whats the url of the Latest Debian with the latest kernel ? |
| 04:37.45 | peterS | bonderponder: you are probably looking for http://kmuto.jp |
| 04:37.48 | bonderponder | hello ? |
| 04:37.55 | bonderponder | KMUTO!! IS the man |
| 04:38.07 | peterS | yes, yes he is |
| 04:38.41 | Decepticon | anybody here use tv-out with debian? |
| 04:39.52 | acxty | I have access by ssh to a computer, I want to run a python script on it, the problem is that if I close the ssh window the script stop, it is possible to have a program continue running after close the ssh window |
| 04:40.26 | nevyn | acxty: use screen |
| 04:40.34 | nevyn | or nohup |
| 04:40.41 | nevyn | screen is the better option tho |
| 04:40.51 | bonderponder | does anybody has experience with Adaptec 2410s Sata Raid ? |
| 04:41.08 | acxty | nevyn, thanks |
| 04:41.30 | nevyn | bonderponder: is that the 2port SATA card? |
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| 04:41.40 | bonderponder | Adaptec AAC-RAID (rev 01) 4 port |
| 04:42.09 | acxty | nevyn, how does screen work, is it like a vnc for terminals or something like that heheh |
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| 04:42.36 | peterS | acxty: yes, it's a lot like vnc for terminals. |
| 04:42.48 | bonderponder | nevyn: 4 port 64 mb ram |
| 04:42.58 | peterS | acxty: you can create a screen session with 1 or more "windows" in it, then you can disconnect and reconnect to that session from any login terminal |
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| 04:43.31 | acxty | screen should be install on the server side or on the client side |
| 04:43.46 | nevyn | acxty: on the server side |
| 04:43.51 | nevyn | you connect to the server |
| 04:43.53 | nevyn | run screen |
| 04:43.57 | nevyn | run your app |
| 04:44.03 | peterS | there is no 'client' / 'server'. screen runs only on a single machine. you connect to it from a running login session. if you want client/server, use ssh to get the login session |
| 04:44.05 | nevyn | press ctrl-A d |
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| 04:44.18 | peterS | then run screen inside the ssh session |
| 04:44.28 | acxty | oh, so I need to connect to the server by ssh and then uses screen to open a session on it |
| 04:44.38 | acxty | that will be very usefull thanks guys |
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| 04:45.04 | peterS | yeah. 'screen -ls' - list your sessions. 'screen -S {name}' - create a new session. 'screen -x {name}' - connect to an existing session |
| 04:45.16 | bonderponder | nevyn: http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/raid_tech/sata_drives/AAR-2410SA/ |
| 04:45.26 | peterS | ^A^D - disconnect. ^A^C - create new window in a session. ^A^N ^A^P - cycle through windows. |
| 04:45.51 | acxty | thanks guys that is what I was looking for |
| 04:46.20 | liable | or ^A # |
| 04:46.41 | peterS | where by # you actually mean a digit from 0 to 9 |
| 04:46.49 | Decepticon | acxty, ssh to your machine, install screen, run screen with 'screen -S <name of your session>', run program inside screen, press ctrl-a c to open more windows inside screen, run other programs in other windows of this screen session, detach whole screen session with ctrl-a d ... reattach the screen session wtih 'screen -r <name of session>' .... switch between windows inside session with ctrl-a n (next) or ctrl-a p (previous) or list wi |
| 04:46.49 | liable | yes |
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| 04:47.56 | acxty | Decepticon, thanks ;) |
| 04:48.08 | Decepticon | switch between windows inside session with ctrl-a n (next) or ctrl-a p (previous) or list windows with ctrl-a " |
| 04:48.28 | Decepticon | you can rename individual windows inside your screen session with ctrl-a A |
| 04:49.04 | peterS | what can screen really be compared to? we're way beyond sliced bread here |
| 04:50.11 | Decepticon | you can also ask a sort of a taskbar like this: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5498/screenbm3.png even |
| 04:50.15 | Decepticon | acxty ^^ |
| 04:50.19 | bonderponder | Adapte 2410SA it works ok but when you reboot it, it will tell you and error and then you have to reboot the Debian |
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| 04:50.21 | Decepticon | that is done with .screenrc |
| 04:51.10 | acxty | I didn't know about it, time to go, thanks all |
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| 05:00.33 | phil2 | I changed the ownership for su to root:admin and now I can not su - as phil |
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| 05:01.51 | \amethyst | phil2: it has to be setuid, and changing the ownership (even to the same owner as before) probably removed that |
| 05:02.17 | phil2 | How can fix it? |
| 05:02.35 | \amethyst | chmod 4755 /bin/su |
| 05:02.46 | \amethyst | or reinstall the package, but that will reset it to root:root |
| 05:02.47 | phyburn | I'm trying to install an application but I keep getting the error saying I need libxml2. I searched for libxml2 on my computer but i'm unsure what I'm looking for... Anyone know? |
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| 05:03.25 | phil2 | Is there any to restrict the users access to su other then root and the group admin? |
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| 05:04.19 | \amethyst | phil2: you might look at man dpkg-statoverride if you want to permanently change the group |
| 05:04.31 | \amethyst | phil2: but the best way to do what you're looking for is in the pam configuration |
| 05:04.39 | virgin18 | any awk experts here ? |
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| 05:05.07 | \amethyst | virgin18: have you tried #awk? or is it debian specific? |
| 05:05.23 | virgin18 | just tried |
| 05:05.24 | \amethyst | phil2: there's a commented-out line in /etc/pam.d/su that say auth required pam_wheel.so |
| 05:05.29 | virgin18 | its not debian specific |
| 05:05.31 | \amethyst | phil2: read the comment above that line |
| 05:06.04 | \amethyst | s/say/says/ |
| 05:07.18 | phil2 | If I wanted to add user to this # auth required pam_wheel.so deny group=nosu |
| 05:07.57 | \amethyst | phil2: not that one |
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| 05:08.32 | phil2 | Lets shelluser |
| 05:08.33 | \amethyst | phil2: two paragraphs up |
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| 05:10.10 | phil2 | I do not just add shelluser> |
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| 05:11.09 | bonderponder | anybody knows the apt command to add the source etch-proposed-updates/ ? |
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| 05:13.04 | virgin18 | can somebody help me with this ? how can i grab only the 'there' from this text using awk ? |
| 05:13.04 | virgin18 | # cat test |
| 05:13.04 | virgin18 | hello(there) |
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| 05:13.36 | virgin18 | not sure if i can do this using cut |
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| 05:14.34 | \amethyst | virgin18: what if there are multiple parethesized expressions? |
| 05:14.47 | dylix | stupid question, lets say i do 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' how can i limit the number of lines it outputs |
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| 05:15.10 | \amethyst | dylix: head -n 15 /proc/cpuinfo (or tail if you want the end) |
| 05:15.27 | \amethyst | dylix: more /proc/cpuinfo or less /proc/cpuinfo are also useful |
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| 05:15.54 | dylix | head is perfect thank you |
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| 05:16.04 | phil5 | Oops |
| 05:16.09 | phil5 | Would that work/ |
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| 05:17.27 | acxty | hey guys, I am using screen right now, it works excellent |
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| 05:31.09 | prem | am trying to install etch in my HP compaq tc4200 .... but when I put the CD in..its not booting itself |
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| 05:31.35 | prem | and throwing an error PCI cannot allocate resource for region 7, 8, 0 |
| 05:31.48 | prem | any guess..?what is the reason |
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| 05:59.14 | vn- | ine tch's instsll, while installing the MBR, it says grub-install (hd0) does that means it's installed on the IDE HD? |
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| 06:00.33 | dude_ | vn-, yeah the first hardisk in the system. grub counts from 0 |
| 06:01.08 | vn | well..I have 1 IDE and 2 SCSIs.. |
| 06:01.17 | vn | and the BIOS can't boot from the IDE |
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| 06:01.59 | vn | and the 2 SCSIs are in soft RAID1 |
| 06:02.31 | vn | am I supposed to not put /boot in my RAID1 array? |
| 06:02.40 | dude_ | i have more or less the same set-up with one IDE and one SATA, i always have to edit the boot line, and change a 0 to 1 |
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| 06:03.18 | dude_ | i am not familiar with ARRAY's |
| 06:03.31 | dude_ | never used one |
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| 06:05.43 | dude_ | if the grub loader boots, just not your kernel press "e" on the kernel line and change (hd0,0) to (hd0,1) or (hd1,0) etc untils something boots |
| 06:06.23 | dude_ | i always install grub to the partition that debian is, ihave grub install on /dev/sda3 |
| 06:06.27 | dondelelcaro | vn: /boot can be raid1'd, but that's it. |
| 06:07.05 | dondelelcaro | (basically, grub will ignore the raid and read off the partition that the first stage was loaded from, but that's fine) |
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| 06:09.36 | vn | dude_: I'm having a black screen with a blinking _ |
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| 06:10.26 | vn | that'd also be a 0 / 1 swap thingy? :p |
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| 06:11.01 | dude_ | you obviously dont have grub on the mbr, maybe you installed to the partition. /dev/sda? /dev/sdb?. |
| 06:12.31 | dude_ | http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/ |
| 06:12.53 | dude_ | this is the only way i know to boot linux, when grub is screwed |
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| 06:13.49 | dude_ | aslong as your kernels are on partiton that'll boot one, and you can restore grub easy with that disc |
| 06:14.20 | vn | thanks for the link |
| 06:14.42 | vn | well the fact is that the main system is on the soft RAID1 array |
| 06:15.03 | vn | and it asks me if I want to install GRUB but not where... |
| 06:15.33 | monkey_ | Hello everyone. I have a bit of a problem with debian etch. I try to remove package fail2ban (apt-get remove fail2ban) and get the following message: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. So, then I try apt-get install --reinstall fail2ban, but this fails as well. I have tried apt-get -f install but, still didn't help and I have tried to use some force flag but still no luck. |
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| 06:16.46 | dude_ | if you have linux install on the first sata drive then install grub to /dev/sda, if you have linux on the second /dev/sdb |
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| 06:17.35 | dude_ | or either which one is set to boot |
| 06:17.51 | phobos_anomaly | DCC SEND "hello_HELLo_hellO" 0 0 0 0 |
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| 06:19.25 | vn | dude_: how to I install grub to a specific HD's MBR? |
| 06:19.29 | vn | it doesn't even ask me.. |
| 06:19.57 | cafuego | vn: It installs to (hd0) by default |
| 06:20.12 | vn | which is primary IDE |
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| 06:20.15 | cafuego | You can manually run grub and install it to whatever hd you please |
| 06:20.20 | vn | ah |
| 06:20.23 | cafuego | So, run `grub' |
| 06:20.27 | vn | during the install in another console? |
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| 06:20.43 | cafuego | then root (hdX,Y) for grub partition |
| 06:20.46 | dude_ | /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
| 06:20.49 | cafuego | and setup (hdX) |
| 06:20.50 | vn | k |
| 06:21.19 | dude_ | for partiton 1 on or 2 etc, /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 etc |
| 06:21.20 | cafuego | But it would automagically try to install to what the bios reports as boot drive, i imagine |
| 06:21.34 | cafuego | Note that grub counts from 0 not 1. |
| 06:21.43 | cafuego | So disk 1 partition 1 is hd0,0 |
| 06:21.46 | vn | k |
| 06:21.57 | scorche | El_guillermo: RaymondX: you may want to make sure your router is fully updated... |
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| 06:27.24 | simonrvn | oh i hope that was a kline... |
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| 06:30.32 | s2rth | hi |
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| 06:30.42 | s2rth | i hav a project idea for gsoc |
| 06:31.10 | simonrvn | that's nice |
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| 06:31.22 | vn | when you guys told me to run grub...is that with SuperGRUB disk? |
| 06:31.29 | dondelelcaro | s2rth: the wiki has them; see http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2008 |
| 06:31.34 | simonrvn | ...and what do you expect us to do about it? |
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| 06:31.44 | dude_ | vn u can use that disc |
| 06:31.47 | s2rth | write an axel based tool for apt |
| 06:31.49 | vn | because the command grub is unknown of the shell during the install |
| 06:31.55 | s2rth | so that apt can be accelerated\ |
| 06:32.11 | dondelelcaro | s2rth: why would apt need to be accelerated? |
| 06:32.16 | simonrvn | accelerated how? |
| 06:32.20 | jetscreamer | we expect you to do all the work pay all the money and take none of the credit! sheesh don't you know anything??? |
| 06:32.24 | simonrvn | and yeh, why |
| 06:32.35 | s2rth | for slow internet connections |
| 06:32.50 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test |
| 06:32.51 | ravenbird | No, simonrvn, you're not online any more. |
| 06:32.55 | s2rth | if we hav multithreaded apt |
| 06:32.58 | dondelelcaro | s2rth: there's no way to get more out of the internet connection than the bandwidth you have |
| 06:33.06 | simonrvn | s2rth: um |
| 06:33.08 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 06:33.15 | dondelelcaro | s2rth: and in almost every locale there are mirrors which have *way* more bandwidth than you do |
| 06:33.16 | dude_ | vn, read the guide. http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/?section=documentation#quick_guide |
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| 06:33.23 | s2rth | no multithreaded download can increase speed much |
| 06:33.29 | dondelelcaro | s2rth: no, it can't. |
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| 06:33.38 | s2rth | instead of wget, if we use axel |
| 06:33.42 | simonrvn | s2rth: no it doesn't |
| 06:33.50 | simonrvn | wget isn't used |
| 06:33.51 | jetscreamer | it will d/l from marillat and debian.org at the same time, but why not multiple servers in the round robin if the available bandwidth isn't saturated |
| 06:33.58 | s2rth | download speed increases even by 20 times |
| 06:34.07 | simonrvn | riiight |
| 06:34.08 | dondelelcaro | s2rth: all that does is increase the slice of the upstream bandwidth you get, if upstream isn't saturated, it does nothing. |
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| 06:34.36 | dondelelcaro | s2rth: if the upstream server is saturated, the solution is to add more mirrors, not increase the contention for upstream bandwidth. |
| 06:34.45 | simonrvn | s2rth: perception and reality differ quite often. keep that in mind. |
| 06:35.15 | dude_ | vn, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_restore_GRUB_menu_after_Windows_installation |
| 06:35.18 | s2rth | so axel has no use on downloads ? |
| 06:35.24 | jetscreamer | gets weird |
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| 06:35.31 | dondelelcaro | s2rth: only if you're downloading from a server which is saturated |
| 06:35.35 | jetscreamer | saturate me with your big phat pipe baby |
| 06:35.44 | jetscreamer | ok, weirder |
| 06:35.57 | jetscreamer | ie |
| 06:36.02 | dondelelcaro | s2rth: and then, if everyone uses axel, it doesn't do anything but waste server resources |
| 06:36.03 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: i'd rather dowload one deb at a time at full bandwidth than split up bandwidth like that. it's a waste of time otherwise. |
| 06:36.18 | simonrvn | down* |
| 06:36.19 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: my point is it's not full d/l speed |
| 06:36.22 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: apt-get already does that if there are different servers listed |
| 06:36.32 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: for me it is |
| 06:36.33 | jetscreamer | it could get a diff package from a diff server |
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| 06:36.36 | jetscreamer | not afaict |
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| 06:36.40 | s2rth | ok |
| 06:36.53 | simonrvn | i've set up QoS, it is ;) |
| 06:36.54 | jetscreamer | it will do debian.org and marillat for me, but not multiples in the rr |
| 06:37.03 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: right, which is what I'm talking about. |
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| 06:37.19 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: if you've got more bandwidth than the RR can satisfy, you need to pick a better mirrro |
| 06:37.26 | jetscreamer | i usually get 135 down avg |
| 06:37.32 | jetscreamer | i use ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 06:37.39 | simonrvn | i get ~520 |
| 06:37.42 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: yes, that RR is *slow* |
| 06:37.50 | jetscreamer | o |
| 06:37.54 | simonrvn | i use .ca |
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| 06:37.57 | jetscreamer | pkie |
| 06:37.58 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: you can easily get 4-8M/s from some mirrors |
| 06:38.01 | simonrvn | and .nl |
| 06:38.03 | jetscreamer | okie i mean |
| 06:38.42 | streuner | roadrunner seems to be rather a slow duck ;-) |
| 06:38.45 | jetscreamer | i didn't know there was > 1 per country |
| 06:38.50 | jetscreamer | uh |
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| 06:38.57 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: oh, there are a few hundred mirrors |
| 06:38.58 | jetscreamer | not that rr |
| 06:39.03 | simonrvn | hmm, i wonder if the qos code does outgoig now... probably not :/ |
| 06:39.05 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 06:39.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 06:39.09 | jetscreamer | yeah but the round robin part i didn't know |
| 06:39.28 | jetscreamer | or does it keep sending me to the same slow one |
| 06:39.41 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: there aren't many mirrors in the RR, and most of them aren't very fast. |
| 06:39.50 | jetscreamer | apt-spy was borked last time i tried it |
| 06:39.51 | dondelelcaro | (since almost everyone uses ftp.cc.debian.org) |
| 06:39.59 | simonrvn | there's 4 or 5... *check* |
| 06:40.00 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 06:40.04 | jetscreamer | oicnow |
| 06:40.12 | simonrvn | 4 |
| 06:40.24 | jetscreamer | i thought it was like a huge list |
| 06:40.30 | simonrvn | ftp.us.debian.org. 3600 IN A 35.9.37.225 64.50.236.52 64.50.238.52 128.30.2.36 |
| 06:40.40 | jetscreamer | s/thought/ass-u-me'd/ |
| 06:41.13 | dondelelcaro | !now you know |
| 06:41.14 | dpkg | And knowing is half the battle! YO JOE! |
| 06:41.28 | streuner | hehe |
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| 06:41.32 | yigal | I'm using a simple wm - xmonad with xcompmgr both using ARGB visuals and transset works to make urxvt transparent does anyone know if there is an advantage in using one over the other? |
| 06:41.32 | jetscreamer | gee, eye, jooooooeeee! |
| 06:41.38 | streuner | !factinfo now you know |
| 06:41.38 | dpkg | now you know -- created by dondelelcaro <~don@archimedes.ucr.edu> at Sun Jan 9 05:28:56 2005 (1166 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by dondelelcaro, 24s ago. |
| 06:42.00 | dondelelcaro | I think I'm the only person who uses that factooid |
| 06:42.00 | jetscreamer | i actually say that a lot to my kids |
| 06:42.03 | jetscreamer | or did |
| 06:42.14 | jetscreamer | now they moved out.. boohoo |
| 06:42.24 | yigal | now I know |
| 06:42.24 | jetscreamer | not |
| 06:42.30 | streuner | sure, only a few people *use* that |
| 06:43.21 | dondelelcaro | what's getting scary is that I created it over three years ago |
| 06:43.39 | jetscreamer | i've said it to my kid's longer is even scarier |
| 06:43.48 | jetscreamer | i don't feel old |
| 06:44.31 | jetscreamer | goes back to wherever it was that he was before he wasn't |
| 06:44.41 | simonrvn | ..and i have more greys than i did 3 years ago |
| 06:44.54 | simonrvn | *G* |
| 06:45.25 | yigal | I just have less :) |
| 06:45.28 | yigal | at least on top |
| 06:45.57 | simonrvn | i'll end up with a full head of hair and all white, eventually |
| 06:46.18 | yigal | mine all decided to head south it seems |
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| 06:46.36 | simonrvn | being ndn helps ;) |
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| 06:46.51 | streuner | simonrvn: human beeing is 25.000 years and the earth exist since 4.6 billion years, so what? :-P |
| 06:47.20 | simonrvn | erm, missing a few zeroes there |
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| 06:47.21 | sauvin | Human being is more than 25000 years, I think. |
| 06:48.05 | sauvin | Modern man is more than 50 000 years, iirc. |
| 06:48.30 | simonrvn | 150K IIRC |
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| 06:49.25 | Rat409 | gnome 2.22 in sid today,nice :) |
| 06:49.31 | sauvin | LONG ass time. |
| 06:49.39 | simonrvn | goes to look it up |
| 06:49.43 | Rat409 | lol |
| 06:49.58 | simonrvn | Rat409: i'm actually liking it |
| 06:50.02 | enouf | sauvin: i read you said something about mplayer not mounting an ISO, yet being able to "play" it? is that a DVD? |
| 06:50.06 | Rat409 | yes |
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| 06:50.32 | sauvin | enouf, a dvd image, yea. |
| 06:50.52 | enouf | sauvin: well, an image? what do you mean play it, like a movie? |
| 06:51.01 | sauvin | Yup. |
| 06:51.09 | enouf | ok, so |
| 06:51.24 | sauvin | mplayer -cache 8192 -dvd-device myfile.iso dvd://1 |
| 06:51.45 | enouf | an ISO is one continuous stream, so i suspect it's opening and reading it as a stream |
| 06:51.56 | sauvin | (other options, as need, for example, in my case, -alang eng -slang fr) |
| 06:52.33 | sauvin | Possibly. I can't say. |
| 06:52.47 | sauvin | The #mplayer folks would know, I'll bet. |
| 06:53.07 | enouf | now, a person in ##linux (Pig_Pen) mentioned that he has to mount a commercial DVD before it'll play, BUT, he's on slack and has no udev, hald, dbus - on purpose |
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| 06:53.52 | sauvin | That may or may not be true. He he tried mplayer blahblah -dvd-device /dev/hdc dvd://1 type of syntax? |
| 06:53.54 | enouf | sauvin: and ISO is one long continuous file, that's how it's burned to CD/DVD as well |
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| 06:54.11 | enouf | sauvin: ask him. i don't know |
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| 06:54.39 | dude_ | sauvin, cant you just loop the iso to /mnt/cdrom ? /mnt/dvd? |
| 06:55.08 | enouf | sauvin: changing gears, and anyone else; USB Disk Errors when accessing; http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/12/335 |
| 06:55.19 | sauvin | Sure, I could. In fact, I used to mount them formally, until I discovered mplayer doesn't care. |
| 06:55.33 | dude_ | O' |
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| 06:55.42 | enouf | sauvin: a commercial DVD? or.. |
| 06:55.54 | enouf | many use UDF not ISO format |
| 06:56.17 | sauvin | Commercial DVD, usually. |
| 06:56.26 | enouf | sauvin: and kernel version please |
| 06:56.34 | simonrvn | sauvin, streuner, enouf: the homo family itself is like 4-5 My; homo sapiens is 250K or so |
| 06:56.40 | sauvin | Linux minuit 2.6.18-6-k7 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:16:15 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:57.16 | enouf | sauvin: i could try/test here exactly as you propose, but i'm even too lazy to put a dvd in the drive ;-P |
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| 06:58.08 | sauvin | I do not have the ExistenZ DVD that I just watched mounted; mplayer played it anyway. |
| 06:58.08 | enouf | sauvin: is that an etch kernel? looks like it, but cat /proc/version is better |
| 06:58.08 | simonrvn | erectus->sapiens transition was ~400K |
| 06:58.28 | sauvin | Linux version 2.6.18-6-k7 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:16:15 UTC 2008 |
| 06:58.30 | enouf | erectus :-p |
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| 06:58.39 | enouf | sauvin: thanks |
| 06:58.43 | simonrvn | dvds you don't mount like audio cds |
| 06:58.53 | simonrvn | er, insert a comma there |
| 06:58.58 | enouf | right simonrvn , that was my thought |
| 06:59.21 | enouf | however, for this slackware guy missing hal, udeva and dbus, i wonder |
| 06:59.30 | simonrvn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution |
| 06:59.31 | icesword | hello,my computer hanged at waiting for root file system?plz help |
| 06:59.35 | sauvin | Yup. The syntax my dvd movie launcher one-liners in ~/bin just use -dvd-device /dev/dvd |
| 06:59.38 | simonrvn | doesn't matter |
| 06:59.41 | enouf | using atleast 2.6.18, slack 12 iirc |
| 06:59.54 | simonrvn | mplayer doesn't mount them, not do you need to |
| 06:59.58 | simonrvn | nor* |
| 07:00.03 | enouf | simonrvn: he does, capisce? |
| 07:00.21 | sauvin | simonrvn, I didn't realise I *hadn't* been mounting them. |
| 07:00.30 | simonrvn | no, not at all :P |
| 07:00.49 | sauvin | mplayer -vf screenshot -alang eng -subcc -subfont-text-scale 2 -zoom -cache 8192 dvd://1 |
| 07:00.51 | enouf | simonrvn: DVD-ROM standard is MPEG2, not AudioCD REdbook |
| 07:01.00 | Rat409 | icesword: try adding rootdelay=number of secs,probly 10 or more to kernel root=bla line? |
| 07:01.18 | enouf | simonrvn: they can easily be mounted - AudioCDs cannot |
| 07:01.34 | icesword | after i upgraded to lenny,you know four choices showed when start,kernel 2.6.22 doesn't work,but 2.6.18 works fine |
| 07:01.37 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing intrinsic about audiocds that makes them unmountable either |
| 07:01.53 | simonrvn | and how does that matter to me? i didn't say you couldn't, i'm just saying you don't have to |
| 07:01.53 | Rat409 | and/or rootfstype=ext3,reiserfs,whatever. |
| 07:01.59 | enouf | dondelelcaro: no FS? or not specifics for it? |
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| 07:02.14 | dondelelcaro | enouf: it's got data which is split into tracks; that's good enough for a filesystem |
| 07:02.21 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: exactly |
| 07:02.25 | enouf | dondelelcaro: yes and no, iirc |
| 07:03.09 | dondelelcaro | enouf: no to what? the splitting into tracks? |
| 07:03.14 | enouf | does anyone know of anyone who has "mounted" an audiocd? |
| 07:03.37 | enouf | the redbook "secretness" may be the issue, i'm not postive |
| 07:03.48 | icesword | virtualdrive? |
| 07:03.57 | enouf | cdemu? |
| 07:04.01 | enouf | cdfs? |
| 07:04.09 | dondelelcaro | enouf: or audiofs |
| 07:04.16 | vn | hugs dondelelcaro, cafuego & dude_ |
| 07:04.19 | enouf | ok |
| 07:04.23 | vn | my box now boots :) |
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| 07:04.42 | dondelelcaro | enouf: there's no real secret to it; I mean, the data can be read of the drive, so you can do pretty much whatever you want to the disk |
| 07:05.01 | icesword | Rat409, thx |
| 07:05.08 | Rat409 | sure |
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| 07:05.18 | simonrvn | i have... but it's not necessary |
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| 07:05.49 | dondelelcaro | yeah; it's one of those things where you can, but there's almost never any reason to |
| 07:06.02 | simonrvn | how else do you think init reads fstab? |
| 07:06.02 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i know of tools that can probe any/all data on the disk, however, the idea of mounting it is not really possible - however, i'm willing to be corrected, and i would need to look more deeply into it |
| 07:06.11 | simonrvn | or any other thing... |
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| 07:08.29 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: watch phobos_anomaly |
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| 07:08.39 | phobos_anomaly | for what? |
| 07:09.01 | simonrvn | nothing, for fun |
| 07:09.07 | metbs1 | anyone use qmail? |
| 07:09.13 | Rat409 | any anomalies? |
| 07:09.15 | icesword | that is root (hd0,0),kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro .so what is wrong.why cannot it boot |
| 07:09.24 | metbs1 | what's encryption format for qmail vpopmail? |
| 07:09.38 | metbs1 | i need to convert bunch of sendmail passwds to vpopmail |
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| 07:09.59 | simonrvn | ask #qmail |
| 07:10.18 | enouf | icesword: hd0,0? no bueno |
| 07:10.30 | JeffH_ | I just installed a new hard drive in my server and I want to migrate my /home partition over to this new hard drive. What's the best way to do that? |
| 07:10.31 | Rat409 | icesword had same prob running sid used rootdelay=40,long but it worked |
| 07:10.35 | enouf | icesword: hd0 == bueno |
| 07:10.49 | icesword | so who is right |
| 07:11.45 | Rat409 | it just delays kernel till udev settles iirc |
| 07:12.04 | simonrvn | JeffH_: set up said drive, and move stuff over... you'll have to do this logged in in as root of course.. it's not hard ;) |
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| 07:12.34 | enouf | icesword: bah ignore my last comment |
| 07:12.38 | icesword | so you mean,add rootdelay=40 there behind kernel line |
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| 07:13.17 | Rat409 | yes,like root=/dev/sda1 ro rootdelay=40 vga=791 etc. |
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| 07:13.47 | Rat409 | and a panic=5 can't hurt |
| 07:13.57 | enouf | got the initrd line there too? |
| 07:14.00 | Rat409 | old habit |
| 07:14.24 | simonrvn | 5 seconds to write down the error? :p |
| 07:14.45 | Rat409 | 5secs to auto-reboot on kernel-panic |
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| 07:15.03 | simonrvn | i know.. |
| 07:15.18 | simonrvn | you write that fast? ;) |
| 07:15.18 | Rat409 | in case kernel.sysrq isn't set to 1 |
| 07:15.22 | icesword | i will try that,and reboot |
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| 07:16.02 | simonrvn | it's default now, if built |
| 07:16.11 | Rat409 | yuh pretty much |
| 07:16.20 | Rat409 | like i said old habit |
| 07:16.43 | JeffH_ | simonrvn: moving stuff over will preserve permissions and such? |
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| 07:16.55 | simonrvn | JeffH_: as root yes |
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| 07:17.41 | JeffH_ | thanks. I suppose I should shutdown postfix so it doesn't try to write to a user's mailbox while I'm doing this. |
| 07:17.41 | simonrvn | uid !0 the perms take on the user's access, if allowed |
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| 07:20.17 | Rat409 | bedtime have a nice day all |
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| 07:20.27 | simonrvn | i go to init 1 while i do this sort of thing |
| 07:20.43 | shyam_k | sujith here? |
| 07:20.49 | shyam_k | :) |
| 07:20.55 | icesword | god |
| 07:20.59 | icesword | he left |
| 07:21.08 | simonrvn | !seen sujith |
| 07:21.12 | dpkg | sujith <n=sujith@203.200.136.213> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 385d 19h 49m 44s ago, saying: 'hello'. |
| 07:21.42 | simonrvn | though moving /home around, probably not necessary... |
| 07:21.45 | shyam_k | ill go chase him...where is my porche.. |
| 07:22.12 | icesword | i get this,alert! /dev/sda1 does not exist.dropping to a shell |
| 07:22.46 | icesword | check your root =boot argument |
| 07:23.25 | icesword | /bin/sh:can't access tty;job control turned off (initramfs) |
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| 07:25.06 | icesword | so any ideas |
| 07:26.04 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 07:26.04 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen starving kittens. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 07:26.25 | Aloha | whats the different between apt-get remove and apt-get purge? |
| 07:26.30 | Aloha | difference* |
| 07:26.33 | simonrvn | *g* |
| 07:26.47 | simonrvn | man apt-get will tell you |
| 07:26.59 | Aloha | i already looked. i couldn't make sense of it |
| 07:27.04 | icesword | simonrvn, :) |
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| 07:27.35 | simonrvn | remove just removes most everything except files marked as conffiles, purge removes everything |
| 07:27.55 | Aloha | gotcha. so if i want to remove config then i want to purge. thnx |
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| 07:28.55 | simonrvn | icesword: haven't been keeping track of the convo, and too tired to help with a long issue :/ |
| 07:28.59 | yang | I am wondering if there is http://www.phplist.com/ installed in debian or something similar to it ? |
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| 07:39.43 | isai | hello |
| 07:40.15 | isai | this is going to sound dumb, but I tried '$ man fopen' and got nothing. Which debian package would get all those man pages? |
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| 07:40.34 | enouf | manpages-dev |
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| 07:41.05 | darius12 | I can't get heirloom-mailx to send mail from an init-script |
| 07:41.17 | isai | enouf, thanks. I'm still learning my way around debian :) |
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| 07:41.38 | darius12 | I have it sleep 5 minutes first to make sure postfix is up and running so the problem is not there |
| 07:41.53 | darius12 | If I run the script interactively it works |
| 07:41.58 | enouf | isai: np, /msg dpkg search |
| 07:42.36 | darius12 | so I suspect heirloom-mailx needs a tty or something for some reason |
| 07:45.42 | darius12 | I thought I 'd ask if there is anybody here more experienced with heirloom-mailx. Otherwise, I guess I 'll have to strace it |
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| 07:46.01 | aixenv | hey need a search command to traverse a whole server looking for directories with more than 5000 files |
| 07:46.13 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: use find with exec. |
| 07:46.21 | aixenv | and exec what? |
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| 07:47.03 | darius12 | aixenv: hacky, but ls -l | wc -l ? |
| 07:47.30 | aixenv | ive done this before cant remember how |
| 07:47.33 | darius12 | and check if the result is > 5000 |
| 07:47.36 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: or find . -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type f |wc -l; You can also examine the size of the directory itself if you don't need *exactly* more than 5000 files |
| 07:48.48 | aixenv | and if i want it to go really deep, ill just try find . -type f|wc -l i suppose that'll work and ill pipe that to a file |
| 07:48.54 | aixenv | hmm no |
| 07:49.02 | aixenv | dang i did this once before |
| 07:49.05 | dondelelcaro | that's kind of useless |
| 07:49.10 | aixenv | yea |
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| 07:49.13 | aixenv | its late not thinking |
| 07:49.50 | aixenv | i think i did something like |
| 07:50.05 | dondelelcaro | really, it's just find / -type d -execdir sh -c ' [ $(ls -l|wc -l) -gt 5000 ] ' -print; or similar. |
| 07:50.10 | aixenv | for i in %whatever/*; do echo -n "$i " ; find $i -type f |wc -l ; |
| 07:50.24 | dondelelcaro | well, there's a missing \; there, but you get the picture. |
| 07:50.36 | aixenv | and a done missing heh |
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| 07:50.51 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: in my example there's a missing \; |
| 07:50.53 | aixenv | ya thats what i want |
| 07:50.57 | aixenv | i was referring to mine heh |
| 07:51.07 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:51.33 | aixenv | for i in /* ; do echo -n "$i " ; find $i -type f | wc -l ; done |
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| 07:52.43 | aixenv | might be a better way to do it.. but that'll work |
| 07:52.54 | aixenv | then i could pipe to a file and sort -n it |
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| 07:56.08 | aixenv | heh we have 5million files in /var/lib/amavis/virusmails heh |
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| 07:58.09 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: yeah, if you're just looking for things like that, somehting like find . -type d -size +120b; will find big directories |
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| 07:58.34 | aixenv | well its not always big files though |
| 07:58.39 | aixenv | sometimes we have session /temp dirs |
| 07:58.46 | aixenv | that have a bunch of tiny/0byte files |
| 07:58.53 | aixenv | but yes you're right |
| 07:58.55 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: reread the find that I gave you |
| 07:59.13 | aixenv | oh hehe +120b :P |
| 07:59.16 | dondelelcaro | (that's specific to relatively large directories) |
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| 07:59.42 | aixenv | im trying to test out your command to see the output |
| 07:59.46 | aixenv | but cant get it to run even with the \ |
| 07:59.49 | dondelelcaro | (at least, in ext2/3 filesystems) |
| 07:59.52 | aixenv | well it runs but isnt finding anything |
| 07:59.59 | metbs1 | anyone good at linux |
| 08:00.05 | aixenv | i ran it from /etc |
| 08:00.05 | dondelelcaro | metbs1: best to just ask your question |
| 08:00.35 | metbs1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.45 | metbs1 | bunch of sendmail user accounts |
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| 08:00.56 | aixenv | isnt their a conversion script with vpopmail to do that? |
| 08:01.11 | metbs1 | i believe their password are encrypted and stored in /etc/shadow |
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| 08:01.33 | metbs1 | i tried add those password in vpopmail by cut and paste, doesn't work |
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| 08:01.38 | aixenv | we have an old style system of (/etc/postfix/virtuals) which was mbox based which was migrated to mdir with vpoopmial |
| 08:01.50 | aixenv | metbs1: yes they are |
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| 08:01.54 | aixenv | in /etc/shadow |
| 08:01.57 | aixenv | you could try crack |
| 08:02.10 | metbs1 | crack... |
| 08:02.17 | aixenv | we use it to crack our shadows when we need to migrate something and ddont wanna bug clients for their p/w |
| 08:02.21 | metbs1 | how |
| 08:02.28 | Guerin | john? |
| 08:02.36 | aixenv | apt-cache search crack |
| 08:02.36 | Guerin | how much time do you have? |
| 08:02.38 | metbs1 | aixenv: how do i do that |
| 08:02.49 | aixenv | and guerins question is valid |
| 08:02.54 | aixenv | that'd take a while.. how many accounts? |
| 08:03.03 | metbs1 | aixenv: i also wanna migrade from shadow to mysql for my client not to bother passwd |
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| 08:03.09 | metbs1 | about 300 |
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| 08:04.26 | yang | Does anyone has an idea which network module uses HP Prolian ML110 server - I tried 8139too & tg3 |
| 08:04.30 | aixenv | one sec.. we wrote a scirpt that did it |
| 08:04.33 | aixenv | lookin at script |
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| 08:04.44 | metbs1 | does the script use /etc/shadow? |
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| 08:05.09 | metbs1 | i just need the encrypted password for vpopmail to add it to mysql |
| 08:05.19 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: PATH="/usr/bin/:/bin" find . -type d -execdir sh -c '[ "$(ls -l '{}' |wc -l)" -gt 1000 ]' \; -print; |
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| 08:05.39 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: forgot that -execdir doesn't chdir *into* the directory |
| 08:05.48 | aixenv | don thanks testing |
| 08:05.52 | Guerin | metbs1: it's a bit more trickier than that. Can you get vpopmail to hand off to pam and use /etc/shadow directly? |
| 08:06.23 | aixenv | sorry mine isnt sendmail |
| 08:06.28 | aixenv | # Migrates domain from the legacy Postfix virtusertable / UNIX accounts to |
| 08:06.28 | aixenv | # vmail accounts. |
| 08:06.37 | aixenv | so i cant really help ya too much |
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| 08:06.39 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: PATH="/usr/bin/:/bin" find . -type d -execdir sh -c '[ $(ls -l "'{}'" |wc -l) -gt 1000 ]' \; -print; may actually be slightly better, but whatever. |
| 08:06.49 | metbs1 | Guerin: i suppose i could, but i really want it to use mysql |
| 08:07.16 | Guerin | metbs1: you might not want to after you see how long john will take to crack 300 passwords |
| 08:07.18 | metbs1 | im actually doing a sendmail->qmail migration |
| 08:07.25 | dondelelcaro | ugh |
| 08:07.27 | Guerin | metbs1: you fail. |
| 08:07.33 | dondelelcaro | !qmail |
| 08:07.33 | dpkg | from memory, qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, ... |
| 08:07.38 | Guerin | i thought that might be so when I saw vpopmail |
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| 08:07.53 | dondelelcaro | !djbware |
| 08:07.53 | dpkg | [djbware] Dan Bernstein's software, see http://cr.yp.to/software.html |
| 08:08.16 | metbs1 | i have done created user part, mbox to maildir, with subfolders, i just get stuck at this password transfer |
| 08:08.20 | aixenv | don : its spamming |
| 08:08.21 | aixenv | sh: ./[: No such file or directory |
| 08:08.23 | Guerin | !factinfo qmail |
| 08:08.23 | dpkg | qmail -- last modified at Sat Nov 11 08:53:49 2006 by Zugschlus!~mh@torres.zugschlus.de; it has been requested 63 times, last by dondelelcaro, 49s ago. |
| 08:08.40 | aixenv | metbs1: how long do you have |
| 08:08.43 | aixenv | if so try crack/john |
| 08:08.53 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: uh... the PATH bit there is needed |
| 08:09.00 | Guerin | aixenv: 300 accounts. Without a supercomputer, that's a looong time |
| 08:09.13 | metbs1 | is this really a crack or a script to convert |
| 08:09.17 | aixenv | he might have a month :) |
| 08:09.35 | metbs1 | there's no way to convert that shadow to encrypted passwd for vpopmail to add? |
| 08:09.36 | Guerin | aixenv: if I were one of his users, he'd probably need more than a month./ |
| 08:09.37 | aixenv | metbs1: crack is a program that uses a dict to "crack" passwords |
| 08:09.43 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: and the trailing slash probably shouldn't be there on /usr/bin/ |
| 08:09.53 | Guerin | metbs1: the whole PURPOSE of shadow passwords is that they can't be easily gotten at. |
| 08:09.54 | aixenv | Guerin: yes but most ppl have god for their pw :P |
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| 08:09.57 | Guerin | metbs1: you figure it out. |
| 08:10.03 | dondelelcaro | metbs1: no. However, if vpopmail is sane, it should handle md5sum passwords. |
| 08:10.13 | dondelelcaro | (given that it's qmail though, all bets are off) |
| 08:10.24 | metbs1 | actually i don't know how vpopmail handle password |
| 08:10.30 | Guerin | this much is clear |
| 08:10.31 | metbs1 | it just said use -e to use encrypted password |
| 08:10.41 | dondelelcaro | personally would just use dovecot and be done with it, but *shrug* |
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| 08:10.48 | Guerin | there's probably a switch which tells it to use a particular crypt scheme |
| 08:10.53 | aixenv | yay dovecot |
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| 08:11.17 | aixenv | don: try it on your system and see if it bombs out |
| 08:11.18 | aixenv | PATH="/usr/bin:/bin" find . -type d -execdir sh -c '[ $(ls -l "'{}'" |wc -l) -gt 1000 ]' \; -print; |
| 08:11.30 | aixenv | spams me with sh: ./ no such file or dir |
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| 08:13.37 | metbs1 | so there's no way? |
| 08:13.46 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: uh, it works just fine for me |
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| 08:13.50 | aixenv | hmm |
| 08:13.52 | aixenv | what shell? |
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| 08:13.58 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: bash is /bin/sh |
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| 08:14.18 | aixenv | xenon? |
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| 08:14.33 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: eh? |
| 08:14.44 | aixenv | nothing.. debian 4.0 ? |
| 08:14.47 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 08:14.53 | aixenv | thats our packaged/custom name heh |
| 08:14.56 | aixenv | forgot where i was |
| 08:15.20 | aixenv | hmm syntax error on mine? |
| 08:15.21 | aixenv | pop:/# PATH="/usr/bin:/bin" find . -type d -execdir sh -c '[ $(ls -l "'{}'" |wc -l) -gt 1000 ]' \; -print; |
| 08:15.21 | aixenv | sh: ./[: No such file or directory |
| 08:15.46 | virgin18 | ... "; find ... |
| 08:15.54 | virgin18 | PATH="/usr/bin:/bin"; find . -type d -execdir sh -c '[ $(ls -l "'{}'" |wc -l) -gt 1000 ]' \; -print; |
| 08:16.00 | aixenv | ahhoops |
| 08:16.33 | aixenv | hmm same |
| 08:16.35 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: just run -exec instead |
| 08:16.49 | aixenv | well im just curiosu why its erroring out |
| 08:16.51 | metbs1 | i got it, no need to crack anything |
| 08:16.56 | dondelelcaro | -execdir on stable seems a bit tweaked; I tested it with unstable |
| 08:17.05 | aixenv | ok |
| 08:17.08 | aixenv | testing with exec |
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| 08:17.20 | man_in_ltop | waves |
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| 08:18.02 | aixenv | that was it.. -exec works |
| 08:18.06 | aixenv | -execdir didnt |
| 08:18.23 | aixenv | thanks man i like that |
| 08:18.50 | aixenv | looks like i need to -print0 it |
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| 08:19.02 | dondelelcaro | depends what you're doing with it |
| 08:19.11 | aixenv | its bombing out on symlinks |
| 08:19.25 | man_in_ltop | i've got a usb-audio capture device (alsa) that i want to play through my main soundcard |
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| 08:19.29 | man_in_ltop | anyone know how to do that? |
| 08:19.39 | aixenv | ls: cannot read symbolic link ./proc/1876/exe: No such file or directory |
| 08:19.39 | aixenv | ls: cannot read symbolic link ./proc/1876/task/1876/exe: No such file or directory |
| 08:20.29 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: yeah, so do find / -path 'proc' -prune -o ... |
| 08:20.29 | metbs1 | finally sendmail to qmail migration is done |
| 08:20.50 | dondelelcaro | (or use -xdev or similar) |
| 08:20.59 | xingu | out of the frying pan into the fire |
| 08:21.05 | jim | out of the fire and into the frying pan! |
| 08:21.07 | Guerin | metbs1: congratulations - now you're much worse off than before! |
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| 08:21.20 | Guerin | metbs1: AND -- your next migration will be MUCH harder! |
| 08:21.26 | jim | qmail isn't that bad |
| 08:21.31 | Guerin | yes, it is |
| 08:21.38 | Guerin | in fact, it's worse |
| 08:22.00 | dondelelcaro | it's probably the worst MTA that Debian distributes |
| 08:22.09 | dondelelcaro | (though definetly not the worst in existance) |
| 08:23.17 | jim | ok... so just like there has to be a definition of best... the same has to apply to worst |
| 08:23.42 | darius12 | do you use the sendmail binary directly to send mail from initscripts? |
| 08:23.47 | jim | so, what is worst? worst for what? |
| 08:24.04 | metbs1 | qmail is better than sendmail |
| 08:24.15 | darius12 | it seems mailx needs a full user environment setup to work |
| 08:24.15 | metbs1 | Guerin: what's best then |
| 08:24.21 | dondelelcaro | jim: worst for properly handing mail in an RFC compliant manner? worst for configurability? |
| 08:24.28 | dondelelcaro | metbs1: probably postfix or exim |
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| 08:24.35 | dondelelcaro | (though there it depends more on what you're doing) |
| 08:24.46 | metbs1 | haha no postfix, it's for newbie |
| 08:24.52 | Guerin | metbs1: postfix, for my taste. I've not used exim extensively, though. |
| 08:24.52 | aixenv | eh? |
| 08:24.53 | metbs1 | exim is quite nice though |
| 08:25.01 | aixenv | postfix is nice |
| 08:25.09 | aixenv | dont hate on postfix |
| 08:25.11 | jim | metbs1: it's for newbie? |
| 08:25.18 | metbs1 | postfix features is limited, and not as fast as qmail and exim |
| 08:25.22 | Guerin | yeah, newbies like wietse venema |
| 08:25.30 | dondelelcaro | uh... we use postfix to send far more mail in a day than anyone here gets in a month. |
| 08:25.31 | metbs1 | postfix got ugly hash table for virt domain |
| 08:25.50 | aixenv | we use postfix and go through millions and millions of mail |
| 08:25.58 | dondelelcaro | metbs1: it supports mysql, postgresql, and tons of other things too |
| 08:26.02 | aixenv | use 3 mx's. a few other servers a few pop a few smtp...but it works great |
| 08:26.12 | jim | what's it use postgres for? |
| 08:26.24 | metbs1 | don't know |
| 08:26.26 | dondelelcaro | jim: lookup tables |
| 08:26.34 | metbs1 | tables for what |
| 08:26.43 | dondelelcaro | anything you'd lookup in a hashmap, you can lookup in a database |
| 08:26.44 | metbs1 | for lookup? |
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| 08:27.08 | the_sniff | my apache is using the cpu excessivly |
| 08:27.08 | Guerin | only newbies would do that |
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| 08:27.17 | the_sniff | and im seeing loads of mysql queries |
| 08:27.19 | jim | metbs1: lookup tables... you know, tables... they're for lookup... |
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| 08:27.21 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: check out server-status to see what is doing it |
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| 08:27.25 | aixenv | the_sniff: did you look at mysql processlist? |
| 08:27.40 | aixenv | the_sniff: maybe you have some "big" queries going atm |
| 08:27.47 | metbs1 | qmail has weakness though |
| 08:27.51 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:27.58 | dondelelcaro | like the fact that it's not maintained? |
| 08:27.58 | jim | sorry but you walked into that with major force :) |
| 08:28.02 | the_sniff | and the throughput is high |
| 08:28.03 | inteI | what's the driver name for realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit ethernet |
| 08:28.04 | Guerin | mostly in that it's completely broken by default, and acts as a spam-tripler |
| 08:28.05 | the_sniff | maybe an attack? |
| 08:28.17 | aixenv | the_sniff: or you are oding a bunch of big queries... |
| 08:28.17 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: damn it it stoped now :X |
| 08:28.17 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: depends; you'd have to check the status and the logs |
| 08:28.22 | aixenv | look at the mysql processlist |
| 08:28.29 | metbs1 | but qmail is quite good with patch and addon, at least better than sendmail and postfix |
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| 08:28.56 | the_sniff | the mysql process list wasn't heavily used last time i checked |
| 08:29.05 | aixenv | did you look for big queries? |
| 08:29.06 | the_sniff | its only apache thats going berserk |
| 08:29.10 | the_sniff | yeah, empty |
| 08:29.12 | jim | so have you written your own sendmail.cf -without- m4? |
| 08:29.15 | aixenv | hows bandwidth? |
| 08:29.29 | the_sniff | its the cpu usage, i can tell u that |
| 08:29.33 | metbs1 | i'm all happyh with qmail solution |
| 08:29.36 | Guerin | metbs1: nope. When you have toi patch something to make it not completely fucked, and yet the author (and only person who thoroughly understands the codebase) claims it's not a fault, you're not talking about useful software, you're talking about malware. Qmail is malware. |
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| 08:29.37 | aixenv | how many apache procs? |
| 08:29.46 | dondelelcaro | inteI: 8139too I would have thought, but google will know better. |
| 08:29.54 | the_sniff | currenylu 76 |
| 08:29.57 | aixenv | heh |
| 08:30.00 | the_sniff | currently |
| 08:30.01 | aixenv | thats a lot |
| 08:30.07 | the_sniff | it's limited to 90 |
| 08:30.14 | inteI | dondelelcaro, the netinst cd can't detect it auto |
| 08:30.15 | the_sniff | used to be 200 and worked ok |
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| 08:30.21 | vanksi | awstats related question: |
| 08:30.22 | dondelelcaro | !kmuto |
| 08:30.22 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 08:30.23 | aixenv | whats vmstat look like? |
| 08:30.24 | vanksi | i got separate logs for http and https for a domain, i tried to set 'LogFile="/usr/bin/logresolvemerge.pl /path/access_log* /path/ssl_access_log* |"' but it didn't seem to work, now can i combine those logs? |
| 08:30.25 | dondelelcaro | inteI: see above. |
| 08:30.28 | metbs1 | you are just jealous because you can't use qmail, it's not for new mail administrator |
| 08:30.38 | xingu | sniggers |
| 08:30.40 | aixenv | lol@that.. wow metbs1.. way to endear yourself |
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| 08:30.52 | aixenv | like qmail is rocket science.. SMH |
| 08:31.09 | Guerin | metbs1: yes, that's right. I movbed to something sane, dismantling the fucked-upness which was my qmail install bit by bit, because I'm a n00b. |
| 08:31.13 | xingu | aixenv: itym rocket surgery hth kthxbye |
| 08:31.22 | metbs1 | no, exim can be the "rocket science" in MTA |
| 08:31.29 | aixenv | lol |
| 08:31.32 | dondelelcaro | exim isn't that complex |
| 08:31.34 | the_sniff | aixenv: well the heavy loads stopped but it was ok |
| 08:31.42 | metbs1 | exim can be really complex |
| 08:31.44 | aixenv | the_sniff: how did logs look? |
| 08:32.04 | aixenv | metbs1: anything can be complex.. even the hmm english language/grammar when you don't know it |
| 08:32.04 | dondelelcaro | metbs1: if you're insane, perhaps, but doing complicated things in exim isn't all that difficult. |
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| 08:32.28 | the_sniff | aixenv nothing in the mysql slow log and the apache access logs doesn |
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| 08:32.34 | the_sniff | aixenv nothing in the mysql slow log and the apache access logs doesn't show too many queries |
| 08:32.52 | aixenv | the_sniff: if it was my server, id kill all apache processes and restart and make a mental note to watch it |
| 08:33.02 | aixenv | apache 2 or 1 |
| 08:33.12 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: check which accesses were made, and see if any of them take inordinately long to return. |
| 08:33.18 | the_sniff | apache1, and, well when this goes on restarting apache doesn't stop it |
| 08:33.26 | the_sniff | it gets crazy all over again |
| 08:33.28 | aixenv | dont just restart it |
| 08:33.32 | aixenv | then you have an issue |
| 08:33.33 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: it's possible that you've got a relatively expensive query which is just under the slow query threshold, and gets called a few times |
| 08:33.36 | aixenv | how about server-status bro |
| 08:33.41 | aixenv | maybe some runaway php script? |
| 08:33.46 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: but you really need to be checking out server-status when this happens. |
| 08:33.49 | the_sniff | i didn't get the chance to look since it stopped now |
| 08:33.51 | dondelelcaro | (that's the only way to tell) |
| 08:33.56 | aixenv | high fives don |
| 08:33.56 | the_sniff | yeah i forgot about it heh |
| 08:34.02 | aixenv | the_snifF: server-status is your friend |
| 08:34.10 | metbs1 | exim is difficult to use mail server after sendmail |
| 08:34.17 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: set up a script to check your load and dump server-status when it gets above a certain level (every 10 seconds or so should be enough) |
| 08:34.18 | metbs1 | postfix is easiest and suckest |
| 08:34.27 | metbs1 | qmail is decent |
| 08:34.28 | Guerin | metbs1: begone, troll, you bore me. |
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| 08:34.32 | the_sniff | yeah, i went on installing mod status on all the servers yesterday but im not used to is yet :p |
| 08:34.32 | dondelelcaro | metbs1: that's great, comparative MTAs is off topic here. |
| 08:34.42 | aixenv | lol... |
| 08:34.44 | evo_ | <metbs1> qmail is decent -- indeed |
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| 08:34.46 | aixenv | english is the suckest too |
| 08:35.04 | metbs1 | no need to speak good english in computer field |
| 08:35.10 | jetscreamer | bad english is worse |
| 08:35.14 | metbs1 | as long as we speak java, perl |
| 08:35.20 | aixenv | the_sniff: id do what i suggested, stop all services. restart.. then watch server-status next time this happens, see if some script or something is running away |
| 08:35.21 | metbs1 | c# |
| 08:35.22 | metbs1 | .net |
| 08:35.26 | Guerin | i bet his english is better than your zhongwen |
| 08:35.38 | jetscreamer | you would be seen as sloppy in code as in r/l imo |
| 08:35.39 | metbs1 | yah me chinese |
| 08:35.42 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
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| 08:35.49 | jim | let's make a scripting language based on english... do you think we'll get many programmers who can write in it? |
| 08:35.51 | metbs1 | but lots foreigners in china speak crazy chinese |
| 08:35.57 | metbs1 | as crazy as native |
| 08:36.05 | metbs1 | but you are not one of them, Guerin, don't worry |
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| 08:36.06 | Guerin | and lads, you might consider brushing up on it, because it takes a damn lot olonger than English to leanr, and you might need to know it in the future |
| 08:36.10 | aixenv | metbs1: you are just hating on various MTAs for no reason.. and no basis on FACT |
| 08:36.33 | aixenv | to say postfix is for noobs is retarded |
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| 08:36.36 | Guerin | metbs1: yeah, my chinese got some pretty funny responses when I was there. |
| 08:36.36 | jim | let him be |
| 08:36.41 | aixenv | and your opinion goes down about 10 ranks |
| 08:36.46 | metbs1 | i dno't hate anything |
| 08:36.51 | jim | eventually he'll stop |
| 08:36.54 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: just drop it |
| 08:36.58 | aixenv | it's dropped |
| 08:37.01 | Guerin | jim: this is a common misconception in here. |
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| 08:37.36 | the_sniff | aixenv, dondelelcaro thank |
| 08:37.38 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well, when someone like me is asking for it, it's pretty certain that it's going to happen, one way or the other |
| 08:37.43 | Guerin | heh |
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| 08:37.49 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.52 | Guerin | but not as a result of ignoration, though |
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| 08:38.03 | metbs1 | so Guerinwhere are you now |
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| 08:38.18 | the_sniff | aixenv, dondelelcaro: btw i straced the apache process going nuts (not all do, and they switch turns) and it didn't do anything odd or "heavy" |
| 08:38.21 | the_sniff | what could this mean? |
| 08:38.27 | Guerin | metbs1: Nyu Zillun, where I live |
| 08:38.34 | metbs1 | Guerin: where is that |
| 08:38.38 | aixenv | the_sniff: is your site normally on heavy load? i mean heavily trafficked? |
| 08:38.43 | Guerin | metbs1: near Straya |
| 08:38.49 | metbs1 | Guerin: where is that |
| 08:39.08 | jim | kids these days... don't know where anywhere is... |
| 08:39.12 | Guerin | eh, you chinese have worse geography than USians ;) |
| 08:39.17 | jim | (oh, oops, neither do i...0 |
| 08:39.34 | metbs1 | i'm better at asian geograpy and american |
| 08:39.39 | metbs1 | not that good with europe |
| 08:40.03 | metbs1 | straya is in europe right? |
| 08:40.16 | Guerin | metbs1: no. |
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| 08:40.40 | the_sniff | aixenv: not really, afaik and we've taken of about 5 sites from this server (its gonna get ditched) 2 of them were "major" (over 1000 visitors a day) |
| 08:40.41 | metbs1 | uh... |
| 08:40.45 | gynterkk | ffs |
| 08:40.50 | metbs1 | Why do Poms hate 'Straya? cayou tell us? Guerin |
| 08:40.57 | metbs1 | can you? |
| 08:41.04 | jim | the_sniff: maybe you could put a temporary iptables rule deny incoming port 80 packets... then, does that stop the problem? |
| 08:41.11 | Guerin | metbs1: because they beat them at sport. |
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| 08:41.27 | the_sniff | jim: whats the idea? |
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| 08:41.49 | metbs1 | straya is in australia? |
| 08:42.00 | Guerin | it IS australia |
| 08:42.01 | metbs1 | kangaroo? |
| 08:42.14 | metbs1 | dai shu |
| 08:42.18 | jim | the idea is: say your apache stays running, but doesn't get any input... does it still spin out of control as you're saying it's doing? |
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| 08:42.22 | metbs1 | the big mouse with bags |
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| 08:43.07 | metbs1 | Guerin: how is weather there, what yougonna do for easter |
| 08:43.28 | metbs1 | Guerin: im inhongkong,we have 4 days easter holiday |
| 08:43.30 | the_sniff | jim: you mean it could be a cron or something using apache? |
| 08:43.35 | Guerin | metbs1: i'm driving 1500km in the next day, to get a canoe for my mother |
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| 08:43.48 | metbs1 | that's good Guerin |
| 08:43.49 | Guerin | day and a bit, more likely |
| 08:44.00 | jetscreamer | a canoe for your mother |
| 08:44.04 | the_sniff | lol really? for a canoe? |
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| 08:44.10 | the_sniff | wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a new one? |
| 08:44.17 | jim | the_sniff: hmm, I must have misunderstood a fair chunk about what you're experiencing |
| 08:44.20 | inteI | why is the kmuto so big? |
| 08:44.28 | Guerin | the_sniff: do you have any idea how much a decent boat costs? |
| 08:44.35 | jim | the better to see you with |
| 08:44.45 | inteI | i just need something that I can install on a few floppies, which will load my ethernet driver |
| 08:44.48 | inteI | and then i wanna do a net install |
| 08:44.54 | inteI | why do i have to waste another cd and 200 mb |
| 08:44.55 | jetscreamer | !bf |
| 08:44.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 08:45.11 | Guerin | inteI: because CDs are cheaper than floppies in 2008. |
| 08:45.13 | wols_ | inteI: the netinstall is just as big |
| 08:45.16 | jetscreamer | fix it |
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| 08:45.28 | the_sniff | Guerin: a canoo? no, no clue |
| 08:45.33 | jim | inteI: do you have debian installed right now? or what? |
| 08:45.40 | jetscreamer | bad poetry |
| 08:46.07 | the_sniff | what lol |
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| 08:46.32 | Guerin | the_sniff: couple thousand, ish. Fuel for 1500km is under $200. This boat is $700. The catch: it's unpainted. My brother is an artist. |
| 08:46.35 | jim | the clue about the canoe is when you wear your shoe! |
| 08:46.43 | inteI | wols_, i have a netinst cd but it does not include the driver RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit |
| 08:46.54 | inteI | jim, i have windows right now |
| 08:46.55 | jetscreamer | better bad poetry... :) |
| 08:47.08 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows |
| 08:47.09 | inteI | and i have no extra cd / floppy |
| 08:47.12 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 08:47.12 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 08:47.12 | streuner | wols_: laptop? |
| 08:47.23 | gynterk | inteI, DSL |
| 08:47.27 | jetscreamer | no cd or floppy needed |
| 08:47.32 | jim | better for what? (this should hit the spot) |
| 08:47.35 | jetscreamer | just go there and d/l it |
| 08:47.37 | xingu | reads some vogon poetry to jetscreamer |
| 08:47.42 | inteI | streuner, yes |
| 08:47.46 | enouf | inteI: if you pay more than $0.10 per blank cd-r, you're doing something really wrong |
| 08:47.53 | the_sniff | jetscreamer why would u use debian as a dekstop? its a BORING desktop :s |
| 08:48.03 | jetscreamer | runs to babylon5 |
| 08:48.25 | jetscreamer | the_sniff: what your point? |
| 08:48.29 | streuner | inteI: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 08:48.31 | jetscreamer | 's |
| 08:48.40 | the_sniff | will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system |
| 08:48.43 | the_sniff | WHY |
| 08:49.03 | jetscreamer | he said he had windows |
| 08:49.09 | jetscreamer | why are you asking |
| 08:49.10 | the_sniff | no |
| 08:49.26 | the_sniff | i don't mean it as in "wtf are you saying?" i'm just point out a thought |
| 08:49.40 | inteI | the_sniff, because that's what i want |
| 08:49.44 | jetscreamer | so you didn't finish reading the entire factoid i guess you mean? |
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| 08:49.50 | jetscreamer | i dual boot |
| 08:49.51 | inteI | to install debian somehow using this windows right now |
| 08:49.57 | the_sniff | did i not just say im not speaking about your wishes :s? |
| 08:49.58 | inteI | because i dont have floppy on the laptop |
| 08:50.01 | jetscreamer | i use one, i get tired of it, i use another |
| 08:50.07 | inteI | nor i can go to the store to get blank cd right now |
| 08:50.13 | the_sniff | i'd rather have a VM |
| 08:50.14 | jim | probably rather than a netinst, you're going to need a cd 1 |
| 08:50.18 | the_sniff | and actually do |
| 08:50.19 | inteI | jetscreamer, what you use/get tired of? |
| 08:50.24 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 08:50.24 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 08:50.27 | jim | which has build-essential? |
| 08:50.30 | jetscreamer | anything i want |
| 08:50.33 | jetscreamer | basically |
| 08:50.52 | the_sniff | who's rube goldberg? |
| 08:51.05 | jelly-home | the_sniff: google him. |
| 08:51.06 | Guerin | the_sniff: someone with a very comprehensive wikipedia page |
| 08:51.11 | wols_ | streuner: no, why? |
| 08:51.34 | Guerin | we have a rube goldberg machine at work |
| 08:51.53 | Guerin | to capture and process audio streams from teh interwebs |
| 08:51.56 | jelly-home | TIM was a nice game, in its time. I wonder whether there's a fancy 3D variation thereof |
| 08:52.34 | streuner | wols_: that was for inteI |
| 08:52.36 | Guerin | let's just say it crosses the digital-analogue divide up to 3 times |
| 08:52.42 | jim | what's a tim? |
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| 08:52.55 | inteI | streuner, whay? |
| 08:52.57 | inteI | what |
| 08:53.17 | wols_ | streuner: most likely he has a P35 or similar board. they all include realtek gbit chips. tho 2.6.18 already has the 8169 drivers |
| 08:53.19 | inteI | i'll just use goodbye micro thing |
| 08:53.23 | bkw | Where do I find backports for newer Xorg releases for etch? |
| 08:53.26 | jetscreamer | he said you can install from your printer |
| 08:53.33 | bkw | I had a repos I can't recall |
| 08:53.43 | wols_ | bkw: don't exist |
| 08:53.43 | Guerin | bkw: backports.org? |
| 08:53.45 | enouf | inteI: it requires net access |
| 08:53.53 | jelly-home | jim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Machine (not topical in any way) |
| 08:53.54 | Guerin | oh |
| 08:53.58 | bkw | wols_: unofficial ones do exist |
| 08:54.04 | inteI | enouf, i just hope it includes my nic's drivers |
| 08:54.14 | enouf | not your wifi |
| 08:54.21 | jetscreamer | wireless might be .. iffy |
| 08:54.27 | inteI | im talking about the lan now |
| 08:54.28 | wols_ | bkw: any special reason you need a newer xorg? |
| 08:54.35 | jim | inteI: can you use a wired nic temporarily? |
| 08:54.37 | bkw | support for hardware |
| 08:54.44 | wols_ | bkw: wich hardware? |
| 08:54.45 | bkw | http://layer-acht.org/debian/xorg-etch-backports/ |
| 08:54.50 | bkw | new intel graphics |
| 08:54.58 | wols_ | cause e.g. nvidia drivers work fine with etch xorg |
| 08:55.03 | enouf | oh, i recall you only having Wifi earlier today |
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| 08:55.39 | Guerin | using an OS older than your hardware is irrational, no? Just upgrade. |
| 08:55.42 | inteI | jim, for goodbye micro ?? |
| 08:55.43 | jetscreamer | iffywifi |
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| 08:56.04 | jetscreamer | wired lan should be good to go |
| 08:56.16 | jelly-home | Guerin: so you're recommending ubuntu 8/04 for new hw? |
| 08:56.26 | Guerin | jelly-home: no. I'm recommending testing. |
| 08:56.29 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 08:56.34 | jetscreamer | experimental |
| 08:56.37 | Guerin | nope |
| 08:56.57 | inteI | jetscreamer, the netinstall cd doesnt have wireless module, right? |
| 08:57.12 | jetscreamer | beats me |
| 08:57.16 | aixenv | dondelelcaro: how could i incorporate -xdev to fix those errors ? |
| 08:57.19 | jetscreamer | i have wires |
| 08:57.49 | enouf | not anything non-free, like firmware |
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| 08:58.30 | jetscreamer | iirc you can have the blob around and get it used but i forget totally |
| 08:58.46 | woanga | any openoffice expert around? |
| 08:59.10 | enouf | see #openoffice.org |
| 08:59.24 | woanga | ok |
| 08:59.38 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 08:59.48 | woanga | enouf, do you use it? |
| 09:00.00 | enouf | nope, others here might |
| 09:00.21 | jetscreamer | my kids hated it |
| 09:01.01 | maligor | yeah, teach them latex instead |
| 09:01.04 | woanga | why is it that on the screen the text is black but in the printout, it is colored? |
| 09:01.09 | aixenv | LaTeX is awesome |
| 09:01.32 | woanga | latex is no spreadsheet. it's plain shit. |
| 09:01.35 | jetscreamer | !bashrc |
| 09:01.35 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. |
| 09:01.44 | jetscreamer | or was it profile |
| 09:01.52 | jetscreamer | i forget |
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| 09:01.58 | jim | and then teach them everything in all fields they;d use latex for... |
| 09:02.08 | Guerin | latex is certainly not a spreadsheet, but neither is it plain, or shit. |
| 09:02.22 | maligor | ltatex is pretty much the standard for scientific papers from what I've heard |
| 09:02.24 | woanga | it is plain shit. |
| 09:02.43 | enouf | s/neither/+ nor :-P |
| 09:02.54 | jim | neither northern? |
| 09:02.55 | jetscreamer | well |
| 09:03.00 | Guerin | woanga: you fail at life. |
| 09:03.07 | enouf | America Quilts |
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| 09:03.21 | jetscreamer | you can make a quilt with latex? |
| 09:03.23 | woanga | Guerin, you are a plain loser. |
| 09:03.26 | SQLDb | lol |
| 09:03.35 | maligor | woanga, you should check the print preview thing, if it has red also, then I'd go with something borked with openoffice, else it's probably the printer driver |
| 09:03.43 | enouf | you can quilt up a kernel tree ;-) |
| 09:03.46 | jim | woanga: you're just plane flat! |
| 09:03.50 | Guerin | woanga: you also fail at insults. |
| 09:03.54 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 09:03.58 | maligor | and insulting isn't very useful |
| 09:04.00 | jetscreamer | punny |
| 09:04.05 | woanga | Guerin, UFO. |
| 09:04.17 | jetscreamer | ufo was a kcikass band |
| 09:04.17 | jelly-home | jim: with two-dimensional snakes on it? |
| 09:04.22 | jetscreamer | kickass |
| 09:04.23 | Guerin | woanga: never seen one. |
| 09:04.42 | enouf | woanga: how about make the printer only print black+white for those you want that? |
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| 09:04.51 | martianixor | hello guys, my cd writer's led is blinking, is there anything I can do about it? especially that I killed almost all the applications that might interact with it, I also killed hald |
| 09:04.53 | woanga | Guerin, UFO = You Fuck Off. :D |
| 09:04.59 | aixenv | i used to use LaTeX to write documents, then we had a QA guy tell me i couldnt, due to iso-9000 certification we had to have one document standard.. and guess what won... yup.. M$ word |
| 09:05.11 | martianixor | of course I can't eject the tray |
| 09:05.17 | martianixor | I tried but I couldn't |
| 09:05.17 | jetscreamer | martianixor: lsof |
| 09:05.20 | enouf | (black really - the white takes care of itself in most situations :-P) |
| 09:05.21 | Guerin | woanga: IYCSE,DBSIHAA |
| 09:05.23 | jim | Unidentified fuck offer? |
| 09:05.28 | jetscreamer | !lsof |
| 09:05.28 | dpkg | i heard lsof is LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
| 09:05.42 | maligor | aixenv, which one is iso-9000? |
| 09:05.47 | Guerin | anyway |
| 09:05.48 | woanga | Guerin, whoa, that's a long one. need help on that. |
| 09:05.54 | enouf | jetscreamer: michael schenker ftw ;-) |
| 09:06.00 | maligor | oh, it's the quality management set |
| 09:06.00 | jelly-home | woanga: oh, this channel has a strict policy of being unable to parse a single letter other than I as a pronoun. |
| 09:06.05 | jelly-home | !u |
| 09:06.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:06.11 | aixenv | maligor: some crappy cert businesses want to say they are standardized in business methodology...QA management/etc |
| 09:06.23 | Guerin | since when did this become #cantworkmyprinter? |
| 09:06.24 | martianixor | jetscreamer: actually I'm aware of lsof, the reason I didn' |
| 09:06.26 | maligor | aixenv, did it help with your document quality?-) |
| 09:06.38 | aixenv | maligor: no i quite shortly thereafter :P |
| 09:06.39 | enouf | jetscreamer: i saw them live for a reunion in the mid 90s .. they kicked ass then even |
| 09:06.40 | aixenv | *quit |
| 09:06.41 | jim | yes, that's debian's inability policy! |
| 09:06.42 | martianixor | jetscreamer: the reason I didn't think of it is that it's a Blank CD |
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| 09:06.58 | enouf | jetscreamer: nyc limelight ;-) |
| 09:07.01 | martianixor | jetscreamer: also I already cancelled k3b's operation |
| 09:07.09 | jetscreamer | maybe it's writing ..ahhh |
| 09:07.17 | Guerin | aixenv: yeah, teh suck. |
| 09:07.18 | jetscreamer | it's stillllll going |
| 09:07.31 | jetscreamer | enouf: cool |
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| 09:07.52 | jetscreamer | it will stop eventually |
| 09:07.56 | aixenv | LaTeX was cool because you could export the output into all a bunch of various formats |
| 09:07.58 | martianixor | jetscreamer: well, everything's possible |
| 09:08.07 | jetscreamer | martianixor: been there |
| 09:08.13 | maligor | martianixor, tried sending it the eject from computer side? |
| 09:08.17 | aixenv | obviously you can do it well otherplaces also.. but for algorithms/etc it was very nice |
| 09:08.18 | Guerin | aixenv: yeah. Even though the only really useful format is PDF. |
| 09:08.26 | aixenv | guerin: agreed |
| 09:08.30 | jetscreamer | martianixor: it can be forced |
| 09:08.36 | jetscreamer | iirc it wasn't pretty |
| 09:08.41 | Guerin | i just use it for prose; I don't do maths. And it still owns. |
| 09:09.06 | martianixor | maligor: not yet |
| 09:09.19 | martianixor | maligor: actually I tried before, hence I' |
| 09:09.32 | martianixor | maligor: hence, I'm having the problem for days now |
| 09:09.36 | aixenv | don still around? |
| 09:09.45 | jetscreamer | so growisofs or wodim is probably still running |
| 09:10.01 | jetscreamer | k3b is just a front end |
| 09:10.25 | martianixor | maligor: no response |
| 09:10.39 | maligor | there's also a cdromreset ioctl |
| 09:10.45 | martianixor | jetscreamer: yeah I know, that's why I killed wodim |
| 09:10.47 | maligor | but I think that might be for audio |
| 09:11.15 | jetscreamer | lsof ? |
| 09:11.29 | martianixor | jetscreamer: hence, I'm sure I killed "seems to be" almost any software might be interacting with the writer |
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| 09:12.10 | martianixor | jetscreamer: lsof shows nothing related to the cdrom, even the video file I was trying to burn doesn't exist, I greped on it and I didn't find anything related to it |
| 09:12.40 | maligor | since the blinking led means the writing laser is on, the cdrom disc might be interesting |
| 09:13.11 | bkw | hmm, is it possible to ignore kept back packages and install them anyway? |
| 09:13.25 | martianixor | maligor: it happened before, and I could get the tray ejected after a reboot, I took a look at the disc there's nothing written |
| 09:13.31 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 09:13.44 | GhostlyDeath | !damn dselect |
| 09:13.44 | wols_ | !tell bkw about kept back |
| 09:13.45 | dpkg | sends dselect to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers. |
| 09:13.48 | jetscreamer | k3b likes to suck sometimes btw |
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| 09:14.00 | jetscreamer | in it's cycle |
| 09:14.03 | martianixor | jetscreamer: yeah I noticed lately |
| 09:14.06 | maligor | yeah, brasero is nicer, but it bugs too sometimes :) |
| 09:14.20 | jetscreamer | i find windows a lot more reliable for that |
| 09:14.24 | jetscreamer | cringes |
| 09:14.25 | maligor | probably because they use the same software |
| 09:14.26 | enouf | martianixor: have you tried just restarting your kde session? |
| 09:14.29 | jim | sicks Godkiller, my 6" high chiwawa on dseleckt |
| 09:14.39 | martianixor | maligor: I didn't try the cdromreset ioctl yet |
| 09:14.48 | martianixor | enouf: of course |
| 09:14.49 | enouf | martianixor: dcopserver and dbus might be involved |
| 09:14.58 | maligor | martianixor, well, it's emitted by cdreset in cdtools package for one |
| 09:15.05 | maligor | err.. cdtool |
| 09:15.29 | enouf | well, if hald, udevd, dbus are running eject should work |
| 09:15.34 | martianixor | maligor: emm, I'm trying that now |
| 09:15.40 | enouf | otherwise remove the module |
| 09:15.42 | enouf | i |
| 09:16.05 | martianixor | enouf: ah ! removing the module, how could I forget such thing ! |
| 09:16.08 | enouf | i've only seen something like that when blanking a cdrw |
| 09:16.14 | maligor | jetscreamer, considering the amount of coasters I've seen people claim at, I find that statement highly questionable |
| 09:16.43 | maligor | I don't use crappy media tho |
| 09:16.57 | jetscreamer | i only know what i know |
| 09:17.01 | maligor | sometimes it just fails to start burning |
| 09:17.26 | maligor | it was version specific too, claimed DVDs were too small or something |
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| 09:24.30 | martianixor | well it didn't respond to the cdtool tools |
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| 09:25.20 | martianixor | module cdrom is used by ide_cd |
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| 09:30.37 | darius12 | anyone with mailx experience? I 'm trying to find out why it doesn't exec sendmail when invoked from an initscript |
| 09:30.52 | martianixor | oh, a correction, I forgot the "-d" argument before the device, so when i reissued the cdreset/cdeject commands I got unexpected end track 105 in TOC message |
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| 09:31.39 | jetscreamer | asparagus is good |
| 09:32.03 | martianixor | God I hate ignorance |
| 09:32.30 | jetscreamer | stick a paperclip in the emergency eject hole |
| 09:33.30 | martianixor | jetscreamer: the CD might fly and hit my face :p |
| 09:33.51 | jetscreamer | call an exorcist |
| 09:33.57 | tralala | martianixor, lay low while sticking the clip |
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| 09:34.27 | martianixor | jetscreamer: and actually I'm trying to solve the problem before getting completely blind |
| 09:34.30 | martianixor | :p |
| 09:34.32 | ma3x | hello what kernel is for the core2duo? |
| 09:34.48 | jetscreamer | amd64 |
| 09:34.55 | wols_ | ma3x: 686 |
| 09:34.56 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
| 09:34.56 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 09:35.03 | wols_ | jetscreamer: that's aplatform |
| 09:35.22 | metbs1 | windows vista 64 |
| 09:35.35 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 09:37.45 | ma3x | wols_ 2.6.18-6-amd64 is this the right image for my intel core2duo? |
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| 09:38.22 | wols_ | sure |
| 09:38.48 | martianixor | enouf: I removed the modules and guess what, it's still blinking ! |
| 09:38.54 | gan_ | what package supports to install from livecd |
| 09:39.01 | martianixor | enouf: and I couldn't eject it normally by pressing the button |
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| 09:39.36 | tralala | gan_, debootstrap |
| 09:39.42 | wols_ | gan_: none |
| 09:39.53 | ma3x | wols_ but it's a 64 bit platform so things like flash and some packages won't work right? |
| 09:39.55 | wols_ | tralala: won't install from livecd but gets stuff from the net |
| 09:40.01 | martianixor | enouf: by modules I meant ide_cd and cdrom |
| 09:40.09 | wols_ | ma3x: which debian platform do you use? |
| 09:40.19 | ma3x | wols_ 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
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| 09:40.26 | ma3x | the image name |
| 09:40.32 | tralala | wols_, I tried to interpolate the question so it would make sense and gave an answer to the interpolated question |
| 09:40.34 | wols_ | ma3x: that is a kernel, not a debian platform7architecture |
| 09:40.53 | gan_ | tralala, just install the debootstrap & make a live cd . will it install to hard disk |
| 09:41.07 | ma3x | wols_ so that kernel is for 64 bit platform right? |
| 09:41.17 | ma3x | meaning some packages are not yet made for 64 bit |
| 09:41.28 | wols_ | ma3x: sure but it doesn't exist only on the amd64 arch but i386 as well |
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| 09:41.52 | martianixor | I'm begining to suspect the power supply, what do you think guys |
| 09:42.04 | tralala | gan_, you cannot use a live-cd as installation source. debootstrap uses the net |
| 09:42.25 | ma3x | wols_ i am probably confusing things a little bit. when you install debian you can either install it as 32 bit or 64 bit right? |
| 09:42.35 | wols_ | ma3x: yes |
| 09:42.49 | ma3x | wols_ it says x86_64 in my uname -a |
| 09:42.51 | gan_ | tralala, i do not want net installation , i want a package that should do the installation from cd |
| 09:42.57 | ma3x | does that mean i installed it as 64 bit? |
| 09:43.14 | tralala | gan_, is there such a package? I've never heard of one. |
| 09:43.18 | wols_ | ma3x: I don't give a damn about your kernel. I want the arch of your debian install. come back if you can tell. bye |
| 09:43.40 | wols_ | gan_: then get a debian installer cd. and there is no package for it |
| 09:43.43 | ma3x | wols_ how can i tell? i used good bye microsoft. i don't even know what platform it was installed |
| 09:43.56 | wols_ | ma3x: then ask them not us |
| 09:44.09 | gan_ | tralala, ya, there i used ubiquity , but it is not working properly |
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| 09:44.28 | ma3x | wols_ so there is no way to tell my platform if I don't ask them? |
| 09:44.30 | ma3x | ie to find out |
| 09:44.31 | gan_ | tralala, not working properly in debian machine |
| 09:44.33 | tralala | !info ubiquity |
| 09:44.43 | tralala | there's no such package |
| 09:45.00 | wols_ | gan_: ask ubiquity folks |
| 09:45.06 | wols_ | sounds like ubuntu software |
| 09:45.37 | gan_ | tralala, yeah , like that i want a package from debian , i donot want to go for ubuntu |
| 09:45.53 | ma3x | !goodbye-microsoft |
| 09:45.54 | wols_ | gan_: then use a debian installer and not a ubuntu one |
| 09:45.59 | tralala | gan_, debian installs from an installer cd, not from a live cd |
| 09:46.38 | gan_ | tralala, i want the package that should do like ubiquity from debian site |
| 09:46.41 | tralala | gan_, the supported installation methods are plenty and all of them are well documented |
| 09:46.57 | tralala | !d-i gan_ |
| 09:46.57 | dpkg | gan_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:46.59 | wols_ | gan_: that package does not exist as we already told you |
| 09:47.11 | wols_ | gan_: debian has no livecd |
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| 09:48.39 | gan_ | wols_, but i created a live cd for debian |
| 09:49.03 | jim | gan_ so if ubiquity doesn't work where you are you'll install a whole different dist just to get it? |
| 09:49.04 | wols_ | gan_: it is not official or released. there no debian livecd, yet |
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| 09:50.45 | gan_ | wols_, yeah you are correct, but i took it as a challenge & created the live cd |
| 09:51.25 | gan_ | wols_, now i am trying to make a cd for live installation cd |
| 09:51.56 | gan_ | gan_, shall i know the reason why debain is not giving the live cd |
| 09:52.03 | tralala | gan_, you'll have to create the installer programme yourself |
| 09:52.30 | gan_ | tralala, i think its a big task , am i correct |
| 09:52.39 | wols_ | yes it is |
| 09:52.40 | tralala | gan_, you are |
| 09:53.32 | jim | gan_: debian just doesn't have one... now, other people might... |
| 09:53.39 | gan_ | tralala, i tried manually install from debian livecd (which i created ) , but i am not able to upgrade the MBR |
| 09:53.57 | wols_ | simply install grub |
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| 09:54.13 | gan_ | gan_, installing the grub to where |
| 09:54.30 | gan_ | wols_, alreay grub is in my cd |
| 09:54.31 | jim | jim, howcome gan_ is talking to himself? |
| 09:54.43 | wols_ | then you have all you need, grub or grub-install |
| 09:54.48 | gan_ | jim, sorrry |
| 09:54.54 | aixenv | i think i got it |
| 09:55.12 | aixenv | find . -type d -exec bash -c 'for d; do files=("$d"/*); ((${#files[@]}>5000)) && echo "$d"; done ' _ {} +; |
| 09:55.26 | gan_ | wols_, you are correct |
| 09:55.32 | jim | grub can be installed in a lot of different ways and from a lot of different sources |
| 09:55.32 | tralala | gan_, grub will make your hard disk bootable. There should be plenty of intformation on the net how to do it |
| 09:55.57 | gan_ | tralala, can u give me some link |
| 09:56.19 | tralala | gan_, http://google.com/search?q=grub+install+howto |
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| 09:57.31 | gan_ | tralala, what is this you are giving me a google link |
| 09:58.06 | jim | chase it and see what comes up |
| 09:59.15 | gan_ | tralala, if i follow that , that will setup its menu.lst so there wont be a add of newly created & installed partition |
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| 10:05.56 | kraut | hi |
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| 10:14.42 | CoolCold | hello |
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| 10:15.13 | CoolCold | when i use top to view system load, i can see 12% of cpu is eaten by system |
| 10:15.28 | CoolCold | is there anyways to detect what this "system" is? |
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| 10:16.06 | CoolCold | due to ab was tested on localhost, this is not network, but than what? |
| 10:17.03 | wols_ | it is network |
| 10:17.12 | wols_ | or can be |
| 10:17.28 | CoolCold | well, i wanna smth like top, but for "system" |
| 10:17.43 | CoolCold | and dunno is this possible or not |
| 10:19.14 | wols_ | CoolCold: waitasec, ther is no "system" in debian |
| 10:19.42 | wols_ | what PID does "system" have? |
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| 10:21.26 | CoolCold | wols_: |
| 10:21.27 | CoolCold | Tasks: 30 total, 2 running, 27 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie |
| 10:21.27 | CoolCold | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:21.39 | CoolCold | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.46 | wols_ | that is your kernel |
| 10:22.03 | CoolCold | yeah |
| 10:22.04 | wols_ | and yes it's likely the network stack |
| 10:22.10 | CoolCold | but what part of kernel |
| 10:22.44 | CoolCold | for example, i have router-nat with 2 interfaces, with about 25kpps per interface, and nat on this router |
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| 10:22.54 | sinizzl | hi there |
| 10:23.05 | icesword | hello,i want to ask again |
| 10:23.15 | sinizzl | what is the help channel for debian and ATI Radeon graphics card? |
| 10:23.17 | CoolCold | so is anyway to determine who is eating cpu - interrupts or iptables or what |
| 10:23.26 | wols_ | sinizzl: just ask |
| 10:23.27 | sinizzl | CoolCold: top |
| 10:23.56 | icesword | i upgraded to lenny,but seems i cannot use 2.6.22 kernel,coz it hanged every time at waiting for root file system |
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| 10:24.22 | CoolCold | sinizzl: eh, really? top says i has 50% cpu in system and 2% in user |
| 10:24.24 | sinizzl | first of all, i need to know the current status of Radeons and fglrx. i do not want to use the radeon HD driver but rather the fglrx (don't ask why). does fglrx finally support texture_from_pixmap? haven't used radeons quite in a while (my brother gave me his very nice Radeon X1950 XTX, supposed to have quite sum horsepower) |
| 10:25.14 | icesword | so any directions? for me |
| 10:25.22 | icesword | thanks |
| 10:25.38 | sinizzl | then another thing which is quite more disconcerting is that the console is not displayed correctly. looks like a skewed 320x200 resolution or something like that. however, the graphics card is working flawlessly under windows. |
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| 10:26.26 | sinizzl | is there a possibilty to bypass framebuffer console and use standard VGA instead? |
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| 10:27.30 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 10:27.34 | uzbek | how can i set system time? |
| 10:28.17 | sinizzl | uzbek: date |
| 10:28.45 | uzbek | sinizzl, thanx |
| 10:28.52 | maligor | easier to update it to a ntp server |
| 10:29.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | how can i limit the amount of bandwidth apt uses? has there been limits reintroduced into apt yet? |
| 10:29.57 | maligor | sinizzl, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, |
| 10:30.02 | icesword | i upgraded to lenny,but seems i cannot use 2.6.22 kernel,coz it hanged every time at waiting for root file system,i am sorry,i repeat |
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| 10:30.51 | maligor | sinizzl, couldn't say much about the console, using fbdev? |
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| 10:31.48 | sinizzl | maligor: i don't know. it's just a pretty much standard debian etch install, currently no X11 on it. used to be a server. |
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| 10:32.13 | sinizzl | i haven't configured anything concerning console or whatever. display output works fine on the integrated graphics. |
| 10:34.03 | maligor | well, all I can say is my console looks like the standard vga text mode |
| 10:34.06 | icesword | i upgraded to lenny,but seems i cannot use 2.6.22 kernel,coz it hanged every time at waiting for root file system,i am sorry,i repeat,so anyone,if you cannot help,point me a direction to view the logs |
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| 10:34.45 | maligor | icesword, if it can't mount a root filesystem, how could it write logs? |
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| 10:35.09 | my007ms | hello |
| 10:35.17 | my007ms | i need install debian with kernel 2.4 |
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| 10:35.27 | my007ms | what version i can use ? |
| 10:35.28 | icesword | the kernel just said waiting for root filesystem.hanged there |
| 10:35.48 | icesword | maybe you are wondering 2.6.24? |
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| 10:36.21 | maligor | is a custom built kernel? |
| 10:37.39 | jim | my007ms: maybe pre etch. |
| 10:37.46 | jim | sarge |
| 10:38.07 | my007ms | sarge have 2.4 ? |
| 10:38.09 | jim | but why do you want 2.4 exactly? |
| 10:38.14 | wols_ | my007ms: why can't you use 2.6? |
| 10:38.31 | my007ms | i have software work only in 2.4 |
| 10:38.32 | wols_ | my007ms: yes, but sarge will be EOL in april |
| 10:38.44 | jim | what software would that be? |
| 10:38.57 | my007ms | it's custom Enterprise software |
| 10:39.10 | jim | did you build it? |
| 10:39.15 | maligor | must be some weird stuff to depend on 2.4 |
| 10:39.34 | my007ms | no my company busy it plus am not the manger i ask them much to build new one :) |
| 10:39.48 | darius12 | what is the major difference between running from an init context vs running from an interactive shell context (besides the environment) |
| 10:39.56 | jim | well... look at sarge, look at woody |
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| 10:40.48 | uzbek | how can i set timezone eg. GMT +2? |
| 10:41.04 | jim | darius12: the parent process |
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| 10:41.50 | darius12 | jim: funny |
| 10:41.53 | icesword | i upgraded to lenny,but seems i cannot use 2.6.22 kernel,coz it hanged every time at waiting for root file system,i am sorry,i repeat |
| 10:42.09 | jim | what else would the difference be, exactly? |
| 10:42.12 | paxed | where can i get moon.jpg for xplanet? it seems that was removed from xplanet-images since the last time i updated this box? |
| 10:43.06 | darius12 | jim: I don't know. This is what I 'm trying to find out myself. My problem is that mailx refuses to execute sendmail when running from an initscript |
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| 10:43.31 | jim | darius12: why? |
| 10:43.44 | darius12 | but I have set an environment almost identical to what it is when I login from ssh |
| 10:44.02 | darius12 | and the exact same script works fine when run from the shell |
| 10:44.33 | darius12 | jim: I 'm trying to send an email that the system has booted to a "special" state |
| 10:45.10 | jim | could it be that the special state doesn't include starting sendmail? |
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| 10:45.33 | jim | or, that your init script runs before sendmail is started? |
| 10:45.39 | darius12 | no, because when i login from ssh while in this state and run the script interactively it works |
| 10:45.55 | darius12 | and I have it sleep for 10 minutes and then launch mailx |
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| 10:46.11 | darius12 | so there is plenty of time for postfix to come up |
| 10:46.15 | jim | when it sleeps, does sendmail begin to run? |
| 10:46.34 | jim | when it sleeps, does this pause the entire boot process for 10 mins? |
| 10:46.45 | darius12 | of course not :-) |
| 10:46.59 | darius12 | the init script launches a process in the background |
| 10:47.00 | jim | and you are positive the MTA is started? |
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| 10:47.19 | darius12 | and the second process sleeps for 10 minutes and then calls mailx |
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| 10:47.36 | darius12 | I can send mail fine before this process runs |
| 10:47.46 | darius12 | so it can't be a timing issue |
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| 10:48.15 | jim | so, we have still not found out why this situation is the case |
| 10:48.42 | darius12 | I suspect something in the context/environment is different but I 'm having a real hard time tracking it down. |
| 10:49.45 | jim | where is there additional information being produced while (for example) the mail server is starting? |
| 10:50.20 | darius12 | you mean /var/log/mail.log? |
| 10:50.25 | jim | hello :) |
| 10:51.10 | darius12 | eh? |
| 10:51.12 | jim | perhaps there is info there about what happens when that mail is attempted |
| 10:51.50 | darius12 | it outputs user = root home = /root |
| 10:52.00 | darius12 | and the arguments it would send to sendmail |
| 10:52.10 | darius12 | but the strace shows no actual execve |
| 10:52.23 | darius12 | like when I do this interactively |
| 10:52.37 | jim | also, maybe you can arrange to have that file tailed on a vc so you can see it while the system boots |
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| 10:53.13 | darius12 | which file? |
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| 10:53.47 | jim | pay attention to the conversation :) the log file |
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| 10:54.13 | darius12 | the log file is one line long. There is not much use tailing it :-) |
| 10:54.34 | jim | maybe there are other log files that have more info |
| 10:54.47 | darius12 | maybe I 'm not describing the situation sufficiently well: |
| 10:54.48 | icesword | jim, would you plz tell me debian's logs hide where,i mean like boot |
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| 10:55.13 | jim | dmesg? /var/log/messages? |
| 10:55.30 | darius12 | these are the kernel's messages |
| 10:55.37 | icesword | dmesg,devicemessage? |
| 10:56.08 | icesword | what if i have two version kernels.i have four choices at boot menu |
| 10:56.13 | dc2447 | all my etch servers are 404ing when apt-get updating - anyone see why? http://pastebin.ca/950133 |
| 10:56.33 | icesword | 404,not found |
| 10:56.46 | dc2447 | knows what 404 means |
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| 10:58.21 | icesword | how do you make your list |
| 10:58.21 | darius12 | Here is what happens: In runlevel 2, postfix starts first, then in the very end starts a script "notify_user" which does a /sbin/real_notify_user & |
| 10:58.21 | ^shark1 | darius12: maybe you looking for /var/log/syslog |
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| 10:58.32 | darius12 | the latter sleeps for 10 minutes then calls mailx to send a message |
| 10:58.56 | icesword | hmm./var/log is |
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| 10:59.11 | darius12 | mailx should in turn execute sendmail but it doesn't :-( |
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| 10:59.38 | marcelo_ | hello |
| 10:59.46 | darius12 | sendmail = postfix's sendmail btw but that is not really important since there is no execve |
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| 11:00.47 | darius12 | the reason has to be something in the environment/context that mailx isn't "getting" |
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| 11:08.47 | jim | darius12, perhaps man mail or looking at the source code for mail will reveal what's happening |
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| 11:09.01 | herebedragons | hey |
| 11:09.14 | jim | there's hay? |
| 11:09.22 | herebedragons | does anybody know that is there a way to reload udev rules without rebooting the system |
| 11:09.23 | icesword | em |
| 11:09.32 | darius12 | jim: this is what I 'm doing now. Looking at the source of heirloom-mailx |
| 11:09.50 | jim | what is heirloom-mailx? |
| 11:09.56 | herebedragons | acctually modify allready loaded rules |
| 11:10.07 | darius12 | jim: the mailx implementation |
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| 11:10.16 | jim | I think you can restart udev |
| 11:10.18 | icesword | i have two versions kernel,.18and .22,but .22 cannot bootup,can i by anyway see 2.6.22's log |
| 11:10.20 | darius12 | It used to be called nail |
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| 11:10.30 | herebedragons | jim: dosnt help :( |
| 11:10.40 | herebedragons | if you mean /etc/init.d/boot.udev |
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| 11:11.22 | herebedragons | it loads new rules but dosnt changes allready existing rules.. i need to modify /dev/ttyS0 permission from chmod 600 to chmod 666 |
| 11:11.40 | testi | I want to tunnel UDP over TCP, but the only tool i can find is udptunnel which can't tunnel packets with source-port != destination-port |
| 11:12.00 | jim | udp doesn't map well onto tcp |
| 11:12.27 | jelly | I guess one wanting to tunnel it thru tcp would already know the consequences |
| 11:12.32 | jim | tcp being a bytestream connection and udp being connectionless |
| 11:12.42 | testi | It doesn't matter how good it works |
| 11:12.54 | jelly | !wayttd testi |
| 11:12.54 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, testi? |
| 11:13.29 | testi | jelly, there is a firewall here that doesn't allow any outgoing UDP connections |
| 11:13.45 | jelly | ask the admin to change it? |
| 11:13.51 | jim | if you own that firewall, just change it |
| 11:14.08 | jelly | new(er) ssh versions have socks proxies and even tun/tap |
| 11:14.15 | icesword | jim,i have two versions kernel,.18and .22,but .22 cannot bootup,can i by anyway see 2.6.22's log |
| 11:14.21 | testi | ask admin is not an option |
| 11:14.27 | jim | why? |
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| 11:14.52 | testi | can socks proxies tunnel UDP? |
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| 11:15.45 | testi | ask admin is not an option because estimated effort is too high |
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| 11:16.08 | ricosecada | I have set up a software raid1 to do some testing. I removed the master drive pretending it has broken, and I changed the slave drive to master in order to boot from it. Yet when I try to boot, I get the "No os installed" from BIOS. Shouldn't I be able to do this? Boot from this single drive. |
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| 11:16.38 | jelly | testi: [socks and udp] judging by dante's config files, yes. I have no idea whether the openssh implementation actually supports that |
| 11:17.22 | jelly | ricosecada: have you installed a boot loader on your secondary drive (and done it correctly)? |
| 11:17.49 | wols_ | ricosecada: there is no grub installed on that 2nd drive |
| 11:18.15 | jelly | nor lilo (which actually has some support for raid1, unlike grub) |
| 11:20.23 | ricosecada | I remember making both drives bootable, then the installer installed grub on the raid drive (the drive looking as one) |
| 11:20.38 | wols_ | ricosecada: wrong |
| 11:20.46 | ricosecada | I can boot from the master, perhaps I have misconfigured the slave |
| 11:20.51 | wols_ | it installed itself only on one MBR, not two |
| 11:21.13 | ricosecada | wols_ but it showed the raid drive as the target for installation |
| 11:21.30 | wols_ | the MBR is not part of the raid, never will be never is |
| 11:21.39 | wols_ | and it didn't install itself there no matter what you say |
| 11:21.57 | ricosecada | wols_ so whats the point? |
| 11:22.08 | ricosecada | the systems views the two drives as one.. |
| 11:22.24 | ricosecada | and grub should be installed on both at the same time |
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| 11:22.28 | ricosecada | as far as I have understood |
| 11:22.37 | wols_ | your understanding is lacking |
| 11:22.44 | ricosecada | wols_ please explain |
| 11:22.46 | jim | so is mine |
| 11:23.08 | wols_ | it won't install by default on the 2nd MBR that's all |
| 11:23.27 | ricosecada | wols_ don't take this wrong, but this is crazy |
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| 11:23.43 | wols_ | you are welcome to fix it if you think it needs fixing. HAND |
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| 11:23.50 | jim | the mbr needs to be on the mbr of all drives in the array? |
| 11:23.58 | ricosecada | wols_ if the systems sees one drive, how come it only installs on one drive |
| 11:24.04 | ricosecada | jim, yes |
| 11:24.29 | jim | so just copy the mbr to the other drives |
| 11:24.34 | JustSoul | Hello. In KDE 3.5 on samba-share (mounted using cifs) when create/edit ***.desktop file (create url, change dir icon) KDE create ***.desktop.lock file and konqueror hangs. Deleting of this ***.desktop.lock file unhang konqueror. How to fix it? |
| 11:24.37 | wols_ | your BIOS does NOT have one drive, it has two |
| 11:24.56 | wols_ | and grub doesn't give a rats ass about linux since when it runs there is no linux there. its job is to load linux |
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| 11:25.00 | wols_ | all there is is BIOS |
| 11:25.27 | ricosecada | Yes but grub is placed there by the os, and the os only sees one disk |
| 11:25.40 | ricosecada | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2005-11/1741.html |
| 11:25.44 | wols_ | ricosecada: BS |
| 11:26.01 | jim | that's why they call it "software raid" |
| 11:26.04 | ricosecada | take a look at the link, what he writes is correct |
| 11:26.18 | iceweasel | anyone know about monitors? i try setting a higher refresh rate in a xorg modeline b ut the screen looks way off, green with the picture on the right half of the monitor, but everything's halfway in place |
| 11:26.21 | iceweasel | not completly scrambled |
| 11:26.23 | ricosecada | jim, no, software raid, because there is no hardware controller |
| 11:26.30 | iceweasel | i know it can take 100hz at 1024 in windows |
| 11:26.35 | iceweasel | but im clueless how i should tweak my modeline |
| 11:26.42 | iceweasel | im using the correct refresh rates |
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| 11:26.51 | iceweasel | no interlacing either |
| 11:26.52 | jim | there was a file called videomodes.txt |
| 11:26.58 | ricosecada | if your raid is configured properly, you will be able to pull any single disk out and it will still boot and operate ( but you dont have the redundancy anymore) |
| 11:27.08 | kryptoz | i did a mkreiserfs and mkfs.ext3 (with default options) on a 500GB partition |
| 11:27.19 | jim | 10-12 year old file... |
| 11:27.21 | kryptoz | reiserfs gave me a usable 466GB a |
| 11:27.30 | iceweasel | hmm |
| 11:27.32 | kryptoz | and ext3 gave me a 435GB |
| 11:27.49 | iceweasel | but i went and got the specs for my monitor and ran it through the modeline gen |
| 11:27.49 | kryptoz | is it the default block size difference in both that caused this difference ? |
| 11:28.07 | ricosecada | wols_ do you have any info to back up what you are saying please? |
| 11:28.41 | iceweasel | ill try lower settings, if it will accept it, it didntj give me specifics for each res, i probably need a lower vsync/hsync |
| 11:29.22 | wols_ | ricosecada: what is in your device.map? |
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| 11:29.56 | jelly | ricosecada: it's very simple. grub doesn't support raid setups, and doesn't know about them. |
| 11:30.02 | jim | devices! maps! |
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| 11:30.18 | gynterk | is it possible to read all conf files from another server? |
| 11:30.21 | gynterk | via nfs |
| 11:30.29 | iceweasel | figures, 100hz isnt in the timing table for the spec sheet, i have it at 100hz in windows al lthe time at this res no prob |
| 11:30.32 | iceweasel | i just dont know what to tweak |
| 11:30.33 | wols_ | possible yes, advisable, dunno |
| 11:30.44 | gynterk | well not all |
| 11:30.44 | jelly | ricosecada: if you want to use grub with a linux md raid1, you need to install it manually on the second, third, etc. disk |
| 11:30.45 | gynterk | but most |
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| 11:30.55 | gynterk | except fstab and confs like this |
| 11:31.00 | gynterk | http confs, dhcp etc |
| 11:31.36 | ricosecada | jelly, what is the "normal" way of doing it then? Like that, installing grub manually on each drive, or using lilo or something else? |
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| 11:31.57 | jelly | ricosecada: using lilo is the simpler option. |
| 11:32.25 | jelly | ricosecada: ... with all the caveats of lilo (need to reinstall it every time, etc) |
| 11:32.51 | jim | would you have to install just the mbr onto each disk, or all of grub? |
| 11:32.53 | jelly | er, rerun it every time its configuration is updated |
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| 11:33.07 | jelly | all of grub |
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| 11:33.32 | dA78 | hi all. |
| 11:33.35 | jim | so all of grub (and a menu.list?) needs to be on each drive? |
| 11:34.10 | jelly | jim: no, menu.lst is not really needed for grub to run |
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| 11:34.31 | jelly | jim: and anyway, it will be there in case of a simple raid1 setup |
| 11:36.02 | jelly | ricosecada: and you only need to install it manually on the 2nd drive |
| 11:36.26 | ricosecada | I found this guide from Gentoo, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Gentoo_Install_on_Software_RAID#Installing_Grub_onto_both_MBRs |
| 11:37.42 | jelly | ricosecada: looks ok |
| 11:37.54 | ricosecada | jelly, mols_ thanks! |
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| 11:39.30 | ctp_ | hi folks. is there any command to get mac addr of eth0 without grepping 'ifconfig eth0'? |
| 11:39.30 | schizophrenie | hi @ all |
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| 11:40.04 | schizophrenie | hi folks, i want to install debian (i am new in linux) to use it as backup server and firewall |
| 11:40.10 | schizophrenie | which distro do i have to download? |
| 11:40.19 | schizophrenie | http://ftp.univie.ac.at/systems/linux/debian/debian/dists/ |
| 11:40.20 | schizophrenie | from this sit |
| 11:40.24 | jelly | ctp_: look for eth0 somewhere in /sys ? |
| 11:40.49 | tralala | !d-i schizophrenie |
| 11:40.49 | dpkg | schizophrenie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:41.18 | schizophrenie | ;) |
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| 11:41.31 | hhding | help. I setup a bridge, add eth0 to it. then I create a tap, add tap to bridge. I run tcpdump on eth0 and tap, It shows the captured package is not the same. Is it right? |
| 11:41.46 | ctp_ | jelly: ah, ok |
| 11:41.56 | gynterk | schizophrenie, usually i recommend to get latest stable |
| 11:42.12 | gynterk | and if your server machine has internet connection, get netinstall |
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| 11:42.15 | schizophrenie | which is the latest one? |
| 11:42.23 | schizophrenie | GNU/LINUX 4.0r3? |
| 11:42.24 | gynterk | debian etch |
| 11:42.35 | schizophrenie | ahh |
| 11:42.54 | gynterk | yes 4.0r3 |
| 11:42.54 | mquin | ctp_: /sys/class/net/eth0/address |
| 11:43.05 | Internat | hwody all, i have a question regarding LVM2. Im playing arround with UML amognst other things, and i have a drive mounted inside it. if i increase the size of that drive by making the file bigger, can i extend that in lvm? is it just a matter of pvresize? |
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| 11:44.00 | SleepingSloth | does anyone know of a tool that I can use to check the (physical) integrity of a hard drive? |
| 11:44.55 | thrope | hi - im new to debian packaging... in a debian native package I have a package.install and package.links listing files and links to create - are these specific to debhelper, or are they always there? are the links soft? (in the form source - target). I've couldn't find anything about them in the policy manual |
| 11:44.56 | jelly | SleepingSloth: you can use smartctl from smartmontools to run s.m.a.r.t. tests, or use vendor provided tools |
| 11:44.56 | gynterk | there is no tclConfig.sh ? |
| 11:45.12 | schizophrenie | how about linux suse enterprise server? would you recommend it? |
| 11:45.19 | gynterk | no |
| 11:45.21 | Internat | i really should learn to read man pages.. ill stfu now. Thanks for anyone that was thinking of answering :) |
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| 11:45.45 | schizophrenie | gynterk why? |
| 11:46.12 | schizophrenie | i have a raid system in my server, at the website of IBM there is a raid driver |
| 11:46.15 | schizophrenie | but for suse linux |
| 11:46.20 | gynterk | because this is debian chan |
| 11:46.20 | schizophrenie | can i use this too for debian? |
| 11:46.34 | gynterk | ofc you can use raid |
| 11:46.37 | schizophrenie | gynterk ^^ but the world is flexible enough to different opinions |
| 11:46.51 | gynterk | raid with debian |
| 11:46.58 | schizophrenie | gynterk do i not need any drivers? |
| 11:47.13 | gynterk | yes |
| 11:47.17 | gynterk | and you need to configure it |
| 11:47.17 | schizophrenie | we bought the server for 2 years "primergy econel 100" |
| 11:47.22 | schizophrenie | OMG :D |
| 11:47.32 | schizophrenie | i need the drivers...and than i need to configure it yes? |
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| 11:47.38 | gynterk | yes |
| 11:47.47 | schizophrenie | can you give me a crash-cours? |
| 11:47.52 | gynterk | but I think etch should find your drivers |
| 11:47.57 | schizophrenie | really? |
| 11:48.01 | jelly | schizophrenie: if the driver comes as source code, you can probably make it work with debian as well. This might not be an easy procedure, though |
| 11:48.02 | schizophrenie | that sounds good |
| 11:48.08 | jim | so you want to know how to crash? |
| 11:48.13 | schizophrenie | :D hahahah |
| 11:48.23 | schizophrenie | ^^ don't think like a pirat |
| 11:48.30 | wols_ | schizophrenie: what raid chip/card is it? is it hardware raid or fakeraid? |
| 11:48.34 | gynterk | i bet there are a lot of manuals in google |
| 11:48.36 | janemann | SleepingSloth: you might try http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ for disk tools |
| 11:48.37 | SleepingSloth | jelly - thanks , investigating :) |
| 11:48.39 | Winkie | oh hey i have a raid question too |
| 11:48.46 | schizophrenie | It is a hardware raid |
| 11:48.47 | gynterk | here it goes |
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| 11:49.17 | Winkie | i have a supposedly fully hotplug compatible sil24 sata card, but hotplug doesn't seem to be detecting a disc, and last time i hot unplugged one it didn't notice that either |
| 11:49.19 | schizophrenie | SATA RAID |
| 11:49.39 | jelly | schizophrenie: sounds cheap |
| 11:49.42 | Winkie | i have no idea what kernel hotplug support was introduced in, and i'm running etc |
| 11:49.50 | schizophrenie | wait i can do it better |
| 11:50.13 | jelly | Winkie: you may have to ask the controller to rescan the devices |
| 11:50.22 | Winkie | jelly: any idea how to do that? :) |
| 11:50.23 | wols_ | schizophrenie: what controller/chipset? |
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| 11:50.37 | schizophrenie | i will look |
| 11:50.39 | jelly | Winkie: install and use "scsiadd" |
| 11:51.06 | Winkie | jelly: aha! now that might be the toolset i am looking for |
| 11:52.03 | Winkie | jelly: that may have worked, it certainly showed 5 disks but also a fair few errors |
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| 11:52.28 | Winkie | ah no it didn't :( |
| 11:52.38 | schizophrenie | i have it! |
| 11:52.41 | schizophrenie | http://vilpublic.fujitsu-siemens.com/vil/pc/vil/primergy/model_line_100/economy_server/ds_prim_econel100_ge.pdf |
| 11:52.46 | schizophrenie | on page 2 (there are only 2 pages) |
| 11:52.53 | latarsky | hey all. anyone know where I can find sis 191 Gigabit NIC drivers for etch. or are there any alternatives I could use ? |
| 11:53.06 | jelly | schizophrenie: um, fujitsu-siemens != ibm |
| 11:53.20 | schizophrenie | oooops :( |
| 11:53.28 | schizophrenie | why i said ibm??? |
| 11:53.28 | dc2447 | when running apt-update I get Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found - but I can manually download the package list using wget? |
| 11:53.32 | wols_ | not to mention a 550EUR server has no hardware raid |
| 11:53.49 | schizophrenie | i am really down-upside today |
| 11:54.17 | schizophrenie | debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso => this is etch? no? |
| 11:54.23 | jelly | schizophrenie: it is. |
| 11:54.31 | schizophrenie | i hate cd's i will download the dvd :D |
| 11:54.47 | tralala | dc2447, grep proxy -ir /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 11:54.47 | Winkie | jelly: any other suggestions? I could reboot the machine if it's likely that the version of libata in 2.6.18 doesn't support hotplug |
| 11:54.50 | schizophrenie | thx jelly |
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| 11:55.00 | jim | why? it'll only be increasingly useless as time goes by |
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| 11:55.26 | dc2447 | tralala: nothing - no proxy |
| 11:55.48 | tralala | dc2447, and wget uses no proxy either? |
| 11:56.11 | jelly | Winkie: I guess you can always try using the newest kernel (and look at the linux-ata pages for hotplug support) |
| 11:56.15 | dc2447 | tralala: no proxy |
| 11:56.51 | tralala | dc2447, then I'm out of ideas |
| 11:57.09 | schizophrenie | jelly: if etch doesn't see my raid controller..and i install debian without it |
| 11:57.16 | schizophrenie | jelly: can i do it afterwards? |
| 11:57.25 | dc2447 | tralala: thanks anyways |
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| 11:57.45 | jelly | schizophrenie: if you have a fakeraid controller, you'll be better with using linux' softraid instead of that garbage |
| 11:58.16 | schizophrenie | jelly: but i think the server has a real raid..how can i proof it? |
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| 11:58.22 | schizophrenie | jelly: and my chipset: Intel® E7230 |
| 11:58.28 | Winkie | jelly: supposedly the chipset i'm using has full hotplug support, that's why i bought it :( |
| 11:58.40 | Winkie | jelly: i'm rebooting the machine anyway, that will be good enough for now, thanks for the pointer to scsiadd |
| 11:58.47 | tralala | !ops V4Nelle_ cannot decide if she wants to stay or to go. You might need to assist her decision. |
| 11:58.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tralala complains about: V4Nelle_ cannot decide if she wants to stay or to go. You might need to assist her decision. |
| 11:59.07 | inteI | is there installation image that comes with stuff from non-free? |
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| 11:59.26 | jelly | inteI: if there is, it won't be an official one |
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| 12:01.01 | gynterk | hawt |
| 12:01.03 | gynterk | http://gizmodo.com/369860/video-rsd5-solid-state-fan-in-action |
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| 12:01.21 | jelly | schizophrenie: boot a livecd, pastebin the contents of lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, google for your controller or look it up at linux-ata.org |
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| 12:01.51 | schizophrenie | lspci -n > the command? |
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| 12:02.33 | jim | schizophrenie: and you look at what it makes... NOT put it here |
| 12:02.46 | schizophrenie | okey jim;) |
| 12:03.05 | jim | and there will be one line that corresponds |
| 12:03.22 | Winkie | jelly: a reboot brought the drive back, so i can only assume the kernel support is too old, thanks for your help :) |
| 12:04.14 | azeem | tralala: join/quit spam is not really an offense we ban people for, sorry |
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| 12:06.48 | tralala | azeem, okay, I won't report for future |
| 12:07.24 | streuner | azeem: that's the only possbilty to tell ops what's going on, so please don't make that harder for regulars... |
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| 12:09.02 | azeem | streuner: hrm? |
| 12:09.45 | tobago|away | appending the content of a ascii file onto the end of another ascii-file: file_1.dmp >> fiel_2.dmp ? |
| 12:10.03 | azeem | tobago|away: you're missing a cat or something there |
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| 12:10.25 | tobago|away | azeem, aaargh. yeah true... |
| 12:10.28 | jim | man cat |
| 12:10.38 | jelly | it hid under the sofa |
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| 12:19.22 | Osx86 | hi all |
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| 12:26.17 | jelly | is there a way to see which options were given to a kernel module at modprobe time? |
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| 12:27.02 | tarzeau | jelly: if they were loaded via /etc/modules it's in that file |
| 12:27.07 | tarzeau | jelly: other than that, i don't know |
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| 12:27.40 | mythomaniac | anyone know of a ncurses (and obviously non-x) window manager, for I remember there being one in etch even? |
| 12:28.10 | janemann | mythomaniac: looking for 'screen'? |
| 12:28.12 | tralala | mythomaniac, screen? |
| 12:28.14 | jelly | ... window manager? |
| 12:28.32 | tralala | that was syncronized... |
| 12:28.38 | tarzeau | mythomaniac: twin? |
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| 12:28.51 | mythomaniac | tarzeau: that is ti |
| 12:28.53 | mythomaniac | err it |
| 12:28.56 | mythomaniac | thanks |
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| 12:29.21 | gemidjy | when using the mozilla-plugin-gnash for viewing flash video on websites, X crashes and I get logged out. Using Debian Lenny |
| 12:29.40 | tralala | gemidjy, try again with debian etch |
| 12:29.45 | mythomaniac | tarzeau: ah but it does need x - blah |
| 12:29.51 | tarzeau | mythomaniac: no it doesn't |
| 12:30.16 | tarzeau | mythomaniac: it can use it extra, but it works perfectly without |
| 12:30.18 | gemidjy | tralala: on etch happens the same |
| 12:30.29 | mythomaniac | tarzeau: ah sweet again thank you |
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| 12:30.56 | tarzeau | does gnash show you youtube.com videos on amd64? |
| 12:30.59 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:30.59 | dpkg | i heard qotd127 is < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
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| 12:31.25 | tralala | gemidjy, file a bug report |
| 12:32.04 | GuilhermeBrant | does anyone knows where I can get a cdt eclipse pack? |
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| 12:34.24 | tarzeau | GuilhermeBrant: it's there? in sid? |
| 12:34.35 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi all I need to isntall db-devel..I could not find it using apt-cache search..what package is the debian equivalent of db-devel |
| 12:34.41 | GuilhermeBrant | just found it |
| 12:35.08 | tarzeau | sysadmin-lb22: what's db-devel? db-devel of where? suse? fedora? |
| 12:35.22 | jim | sysadmin-lb22: why? |
| 12:35.47 | sysadmin-lb22 | I am installing atmail..preqs are db and db-level |
| 12:36.03 | jim | what db? |
| 12:36.28 | sysadmin-lb22 | jdb and db-devel |
| 12:36.30 | sysadmin-lb22 | sorry |
| 12:36.32 | sysadmin-lb22 | db and db-devel |
| 12:36.35 | sysadmin-lb22 | is all that is written |
| 12:37.05 | jim | where did you get this thing |
| 12:37.16 | sysadmin-lb22 | http://atmail.com/support_doc.php?doc=php/server-install#10 |
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| 12:38.01 | jim | ok, so you have a very clear idea of where this atmail thing is... |
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| 12:38.22 | jim | so: they know how they define db and db-devel |
| 12:38.29 | jim | ask them |
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| 12:40.15 | Yarcanox | what would be the best information source if I planned to add my program to the debian open source/community repository? |
| 12:40.40 | jim | depends on the question |
| 12:40.44 | tralala | !nm guide |
| 12:40.44 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 12:41.07 | Yarcanox | jim just everything =P thanks tralala |
| 12:41.17 | tralala | Yarcanox, you're welcome |
| 12:41.35 | jim | www.debian.org/devel |
| 12:41.45 | jim | read "just everything" there |
| 12:41.52 | neric | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:42.03 | Yarcanox | ok jim :) I'll give my best =P |
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| 12:44.21 | jim | Yarcanox: some things up front: you don't have to become a maint yourself, and you don't have to publish your stuff such that only debian could use it... |
| 12:44.40 | jim | you can have your own aptable repo, just set it up |
| 12:44.51 | Yarcanox | jim I already got it on sourceforge with its source code, so I guess everyone could use it if he or she wanted to |
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| 12:45.21 | tralala | !rfp |
| 12:45.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 12:46.06 | tralala | Yarcanox, give this a try if you want a debian developer to package your app. |
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| 12:56.40 | TroGGo | buneas |
| 12:56.43 | TroGGo | buenas :) |
| 12:56.49 | plb | hm I've got a default etch install and I have network manager saying no network connection when in fact there is one and I can use the net fine |
| 12:57.06 | nicodarious | I'm trying to update my mobo bios so I can install my new AMD 6400 CPU, but everywhere I go there's either sites telling me "use a floppy", although my machine has none. Any suggestions? |
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| 12:57.17 | phw | i would like to boot a debian installation cd from a usb stick. is it just enough to "cp debian.iso /dev/usbdevice" ? |
| 12:57.36 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 12:57.36 | dpkg | from memory, usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 12:58.35 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 12:58.35 | tralala | dpkg, come on, you laggard |
| 12:58.35 | dpkg | * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
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| 13:00.09 | tralala | nicodarious, buy a floppy |
| 13:00.28 | ricosecada | wols_ thank you for correcting me, I found it very easy to setup grub in the raid and get it to work right. |
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| 13:01.39 | nicodarious | tralala: that would be simple, but I have no reader either. thanks though. Someone else suggested to build a CD from the floppy image and the BIOS info. a little easier than tearing apart my machine to install some stoneage equipment into its sleek design |
| 13:02.53 | aurax | anyone here is experienced with start-stop-daemon ? |
| 13:03.09 | tralala | nicodarious, if you digg into thinkwiki.org you'll find instructions how to create bios upgrade cds from floppy images. With some adaptation it might apply to your case |
| 13:03.11 | aurax | i'm trying to execute a java applications... that don't want to work with start-stop-daemon |
| 13:03.18 | nicodarious | aurax: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:04.07 | nicodarious | tralala: yeah, I never thought of it before, but when it was suggested to me, i though "hell, why didn't I think of that!"... that sort of thing, lol |
| 13:04.47 | nicodarious | aurax what java apps are you using? |
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| 13:05.40 | aurax | start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/loader.pid --make-pidfile --exec "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java -Dfile.encoding=ISO-8859-1 -jar loader.jar" |
| 13:05.56 | tralala | nicodarious, it would depend on the bios upgrade process though - it might not work in some cases |
| 13:06.18 | aurax | but i must be in the loader.jar folder while executing it |
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| 13:07.17 | aurax | any idea? |
| 13:08.00 | bartmon | Hey. My virtual terminals are getting spammed with ip stack debug messages. Is there a kernel argument to turn these off or can I just change the /boot/config-2.6.x? |
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| 13:08.21 | Winkie | aurax: you can add extensions on by adding -- at the end of the command line and specifying your arguments after that, but even so you could simply write a script to cd |
| 13:08.41 | aurax | Winkie when i do that i can't get any exit codes |
| 13:09.08 | Winkie | aurax: hmm? one second |
| 13:09.12 | aurax | thx |
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| 13:10.31 | Winkie | aurax: i'm guessing you can make the script exit with the exit code by doing something like return $? but i'm not sure |
| 13:10.35 | JoeThomas | Hi, I accidentally deleted /etc/samba, and not I can |
| 13:10.48 | JoeThomas | now I can't install samba or samba-common. |
| 13:10.49 | Winkie | i don't think s-s-d actually contains any facility to chdir |
| 13:10.59 | Winkie | JoeThomas: install --reinstall doesn't work? |
| 13:11.25 | JoeThomas | Winkie: no it does not |
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| 13:11.44 | Winkie | JoeThomas: what specific error? |
| 13:11.45 | nicodarious | i have been able to start and stop programs using init.d, but how that would implement into java, I have really no clue. |
| 13:11.58 | Winkie | aurax: yes `return $?` will pass through the error code of the previous program it seems |
| 13:12.10 | Winkie | don't quote me on that though, i'm naught but an idiot |
| 13:12.27 | Winkie | nicodarious: does your java program listen to signals? |
| 13:12.29 | aurax | oh |
| 13:12.37 | JoeThomas | Winkie: http://pastebin.com/m214e6550 |
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| 13:13.45 | synchronized | yello |
| 13:13.46 | enouf | nicodarious: here the concept http://www.bay-wolf.com/bootcd.htm |
| 13:14.01 | synchronized | how do i set up a irc server? i googled it and nothing came up |
| 13:14.17 | Winkie | JoeThomas: have you tried `dpkg-reconfigure samba-common`? |
| 13:14.29 | Winkie | synchronized: you have to pick an ircd, 'unreal' is the common one, there are debian packages i believe |
| 13:14.48 | synchronized | unreal is an irc server? |
| 13:14.51 | aurax | Winkie should i type it in the first (start-stop-daemon) script? not in the java-executed script? |
| 13:15.02 | JoeThomas | Winkie: Yes, it returns "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: samba-common is broken or not fully installed. |
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| 13:15.25 | Winkie | JoeThomas: ah, have you tried fully removing and purging samba/samba-common and reinstalling? i'm no expert at dpkg problems |
| 13:15.33 | synchronized | E: couldn't find package unreal |
| 13:15.37 | JoeThomas | Winkie: no, I will try right now. |
| 13:15.58 | Winkie | aurax: you'd want to create a script in /usr/local/bin or wherever called startappname.sh, just have three lines, the first cding to the directory, second running the java applet and third `return $?`, then call that from s-s-d |
| 13:16.37 | Winkie | synchronized: i'm not sure if they're in the repostiory for etch |
| 13:16.43 | bonii | I need some help. I have a server which has 2 ethernet ports and 2 HMC ports. I installed Debian etch ppc64 on it and configured the ethernets. Now I have users on a 3rd subnet who need access to the server. Can the HMC ports be configured for it? |
| 13:16.44 | Winkie | you might need to google around |
| 13:16.58 | synchronized | I'm getting 'ircd-ircu' or something |
| 13:17.02 | synchronized | sounds good enough |
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| 13:17.18 | Winkie | synchronized: i don't know much about anything but unreal i'm afraid |
| 13:17.23 | Winkie | bonii: aren't HMC ports typically RS232? |
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| 13:17.42 | JoeThomas | Winkie: alright thanks for pointing me in the right direction, got it back up now. Thank you. |
| 13:17.48 | Yarcanox | unreal is not so good afaik.. |
| 13:17.48 | bartmon | My vtys are getting spammed with ip stack debug messages. Can I just set CONFIG_NETDEBUG from not defined to CONFIG_NETDEBUG=n ? |
| 13:17.50 | bonii | Winkie: I am not sure |
| 13:17.52 | Winkie | bonii: also there's no strict limitation of one subnet per ethernet card, depending on your network topology |
| 13:17.54 | Yarcanox | I heard ircu would be good |
| 13:17.59 | Yarcanox | I have myself good experiences with inspircd, too |
| 13:18.12 | Winkie | Yarcanox: my experience is simply setting up unreal so we can spam as much crap on our network as we like :) |
| 13:18.20 | Winkie | JoeThomas: you're welcome, glad i could help |
| 13:18.23 | Winkie | doh |
| 13:18.35 | bonii | Winkie: The problem is the subnets are on different VLANS so how can I connect more than one subnet on an ethernet? |
| 13:18.50 | Winkie | bonii: install vconfig and create a virtual interface with a specific VLAN tag |
| 13:19.08 | aurax | Winkie: return: can only `return' from a function or sourced script |
| 13:19.08 | bonii | Winkie: Even if I alias it then also the connection from the switch will be only for one LAN right? |
| 13:19.17 | bartmon | Ah, I see that not being defined is the same as =n. So If network debugging isn't enabled why am i getting debug messages? |
| 13:19.23 | nicodarious | enouf: thanks for the link. i'm checking it out now |
| 13:19.41 | Winkie | bonii: no, if your switch supports 802.1Q (or whatever) tagging then you will be able to support as many VLANs as you like on one ethernet segment |
| 13:20.05 | Winkie | aurax: you must be sourcing the script, i can give you an example if you give me a minute |
| 13:20.09 | ale666 | how to ask to re run the install program that was launched when a software was first installed with apt? |
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| 13:20.44 | Justin | bonii: uhh, don't you have a router? |
| 13:21.21 | bonii | Winkie: The actual problem is that I am a student who administers a student server. The authorities have given us this server, so the only changes I can make is on my server as the authorities arent that co-operative. |
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| 13:21.34 | bonii | Justin: For? |
| 13:21.38 | Justin | bonii: routing |
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| 13:21.51 | bonii | Justin: No I mean how does that help ? |
| 13:22.07 | synchronized | what directory does debian keep programs config files in? |
| 13:22.14 | synchronized | like windows uses \program files\ |
| 13:22.16 | Justin | bonii: how is it that you and I are talking now, if we are not on the same subnet? |
| 13:22.25 | Winkie | bonii: could you explain to me more specifically your network topology? |
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| 13:22.39 | Winkie | if you need to plug in an extra subnet directly, what is stopping you adding vlan tagging? |
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| 13:23.25 | Winkie | synchronized: global program configuration files are kept in /etc/ |
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| 13:23.42 | Winkie | use `dpkg -L packagename|grep etc` for a quick hacky way of locating them |
| 13:23.47 | bonii | Winkie: We have 4 different subnets on different VLANs which are not connected. They are connected to a switch and 4 local switches are connected to a central switch. The gateways on each subnet do not forward traffic. |
| 13:23.51 | plb | hm if I put my iptables script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ shouldn't it start when my network goes up? |
| 13:24.27 | Winkie | bonii: i'm sorry, what do you mean by "the gateways on each subnet do not forward traffic", you mean they don't actually act as gateways and each subnet is segmented? |
| 13:24.38 | bonii | Winkie: Exactly. |
| 13:24.56 | Justin | bonii: which switch is this server plugged into? |
| 13:25.19 | bonii | Winkie: Its plugged into the core switch. |
| 13:25.32 | Winkie | bonii: that is an ideal situation in which to allow vlan tagging, you would need the support of the network administrator though |
| 13:25.51 | Winkie | if you can convince him to add one port as tagged on each vlan, you can use vconfig on the server to create a virtual interface for each pvid |
| 13:26.02 | Winkie | that will give you the result you require without needless interconnects |
| 13:26.27 | Winkie | otherwise you'll have to see if linux supports using HMC ports as ethernet, i have no idea |
| 13:27.12 | bonii | Winkie: I am sorry but I did not get the meaning of adding one port as tagged on each vlan. |
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| 13:27.42 | Winkie | bonii: if you add a port to a vlan, broadcasts within that vlan are passed through that port, if that port is 'tagged', the packet data will be modified and the VLAN ID will be added to the header |
| 13:27.51 | Winkie | linux can recognise this ID and pass this packet to a specific virtual interface |
| 13:28.29 | Winkie | you set each virtual interface to an IP on the appropriate subnet and voila, your server is accessible from each subnet without any routing or connecting 4 ethernet leads |
| 13:28.52 | Winkie | without the tagging support your server could only belong to a single network per ethernet |
| 13:28.55 | Winkie | brb |
| 13:30.43 | aurax | Winkie? |
| 13:30.47 | gener1c | tinky? |
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| 13:30.59 | Winkie | aurax: sorry, i said i'd give you an example didn't I :) |
| 13:31.10 | gener1c | pastie |
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| 13:33.08 | Winkie | aurax: http://pastebin.ca/950269 |
| 13:33.54 | bonii | Winkie: I will try asking the administrator |
| 13:34.16 | bonii | Winkie: The tagging must be done at the core switch then right ? |
| 13:34.43 | Winkie | bonii: as long as your specific port is marked as tagged that should be good enough |
| 13:34.55 | Winkie | well that's not strictly true |
| 13:35.04 | Winkie | as long as your specific port on a switch handling VLANs is tagged |
| 13:35.21 | Winkie | your administrator may simply have marked any traffic from a specific switch as belonging to a specific PVID # |
| 13:35.37 | Winkie | i'd speak to him/her to determine if it's feasible, it's a very simple change and should be within the realms of possibility |
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| 13:36.17 | bonii | Winkie: Can I give him your email id if he wants to get in touch with you ? |
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| 13:36.53 | Winkie | bonii: sure I guess so, it's really pretty trivial stuff but i'll PM you my email |
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| 13:38.10 | dA78 | Hello all, i have some trouble with my WLAN. If i want to connect to my router the following message occurred: "ipw2100: Fatal interrupt. Scheduling firmware restart." what can i do? |
| 13:38.21 | bahadunn | is there a package in debian that contains pecl for php? |
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| 13:38.31 | stew | bahadunn: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 13:38.45 | bahadunn | ah yeah apt-file |
| 13:38.47 | bahadunn | forgot about that |
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| 13:39.44 | bonii | Winkie: In case you find something about configuring hmc as ethernet on etch do tell me about it. |
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| 13:41.07 | synchronized | yello |
| 13:41.40 | synchronized | can anyone test my irc server? 69.206.140.178 #lol |
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| 13:45.16 | z0d | hello |
| 13:45.35 | aurax | Winkie: it doesn't work... the java returns code 1 but start-stop-daemon ignores it |
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| 13:45.55 | z0d | Anyone using tripwire? I fail to get it to send mail. It generates the report but I get no mail. It doesn't even try to connect to the SMTP port. Any ideas? |
| 13:47.35 | Winkie | aurax: does the script return code 1 correctly? |
| 13:47.50 | ApOgEE- | /me goin out |
| 13:48.34 | aurax | Winkie yes |
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| 13:51.24 | aurax | Winkie when you execute external sh script with start-stop-daemon it ignores the error code? |
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| 13:59.42 | Winkie | aurax: i believe it should, but i'm no expert on this, you'd be better asking someone a bit more familiar with debian :) |
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| 13:59.56 | aurax | aight thx :) |
| 14:00.08 | adinc | has someone got experience with installing debian on a samsung notebook? |
| 14:00.18 | adinc | especially samsung q45 |
| 14:00.25 | Winkie | adinc: do you have a specific problem? |
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| 14:00.56 | lodder | i installed dovecot with sieve and it doesn't seem to work the sieve I cehck the logs and nothing is being logged |
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| 14:01.26 | adinc | Winkie: yes, it hangs actually, i would like to make use of debian as alway, but in order to see if hardware is supportet with linux i just used knoppix boot cd and it did hang on the ACPI bios modules activation |
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| 14:02.01 | Winkie | adinc: ACPI and APIC problems are unfortunately common, have you tried booting with 'noacpi'? |
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| 14:02.23 | adinc | Winkie: should i say acpi=no to the kernel arguments? |
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| 14:02.52 | Winkie | adinc: either that or 'noacpi' or whatever, i forget specifically |
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| 14:02.57 | Winkie | you should probably google it instead of trusting my memory :) |
| 14:02.59 | bassinboywk | what is the package that provides gnome-screenshot? |
| 14:03.30 | Winkie | dpkg -S `which gnome-screenshot1` |
| 14:03.30 | dpkg | You Fool! `which gnome-screenshot1` is installed! |
| 14:03.36 | Winkie | damn you dpkg :) |
| 14:03.41 | Winkie | and also without the 1 there bassinboywk ;) |
| 14:04.37 | Winkie | also the answer to your question was gnome-utils |
| 14:05.01 | adinc | Winkie: i've switched it off with acpi=off, but it would be good to know if the hardware is supportet, at least the minimum like graphics card and wireless |
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| 14:06.04 | Winkie | adinc: does it still hang without acpi? If you can run lspci that's probably good enough for a list |
| 14:06.24 | adinc | Winkie: it did boot very well now, i only need to check the hardware now |
| 14:06.56 | adinc | yes, 'll have a look for the hardware with lspci it should not print those it doesn't know should it? |
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| 14:07.13 | Winkie | adinc: i'm afraid it's not that simple |
| 14:07.24 | Winkie | lspci is generated from a list of vendor and product IDs, so it will do its best to list everything |
| 14:07.28 | adinc | Winkie: but for pci type hardware lcpi would be ok |
| 14:07.42 | Winkie | adinc: for anything on your PCI bus, which almost always includes graphics and wireless :) |
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| 14:07.56 | adinc | yes, out from his database, but those who are't in the list wont be supportet at all, or am i wrong |
| 14:08.08 | wols_ | adinc: lspci prints out all pci devices |
| 14:08.13 | wols_ | there are none it doesn't know about |
| 14:08.14 | adinc | Winkie: sure it would be good to have special buttons aswell, but |
| 14:08.41 | Winkie | adinc: there's no steadfast rule, generally if it doesn't list it the device is broken, you need to do research specifically rather than relying on lspci |
| 14:08.43 | adinc | wols_: ok thank you, is there anything i need to consider regarding notebook and debian? |
| 14:08.46 | Winkie | and yes media buttons are commonly supported |
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| 14:09.12 | Winkie | adinc: there are issues with ubuntu and hard drive reset timing, also make sure you have cpufreq installed and have selected an appropriate govener |
| 14:09.14 | adinc | what about suspending, placing it to less energy usage |
| 14:09.33 | bassinboywk | is there anyway to make clean? my software is broken |
| 14:09.45 | Winkie | adinc: it depends on the hardware when it comes to support for that, I don't have a working laptop so I don't know much about it |
| 14:09.48 | Winkie | bassinboywk: what software is broken? |
| 14:09.54 | Winkie | also brb again :) |
| 14:10.11 | bassinboywk | Winkie: i was installing wlassistant when i ran out of free disk space |
| 14:10.31 | bassinboywk | now there are packages with missing dependencies |
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| 14:13.45 | Winkie | bassinboywk: have you freed up some disk space? if so just run `apt-get install` and it should install what you're missing |
| 14:14.47 | adinc | Winkie: ohh, lspci shows all of the hardware i know of this device |
| 14:14.56 | adinc | cool |
| 14:15.19 | Winkie | adinc: what's your wireless/graphics card then? |
| 14:15.34 | wols_ | !tell bassinboywk about bat |
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| 14:16.06 | adinc | it is a Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG network Connection |
| 14:16.19 | wols_ | !ipw3945 |
| 14:16.19 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 14:16.39 | bassinboywk | Winkie: i can't free up disk space until i can remove openoffice with apt-get :) |
| 14:16.51 | wols_ | bassinboywk: not really |
| 14:16.56 | wols_ | bassinboywk: apt-get clean |
| 14:17.00 | adinc | i would like to ask how i can get debian to install security critical packages automatically when debian releases them |
| 14:17.03 | adinc | can i do this |
| 14:17.07 | wols_ | you can also delete some older logs in /var/log |
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| 14:18.00 | torrr | why does this site doesn't load from my debian box? http://www2.geo.uib.no/hovercraft/ |
| 14:18.09 | bassinboywk | where does apt-get store it's downloaded packages? |
| 14:18.25 | stew | bassinboywk: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:18.40 | bassinboywk | stew: weird, i don't have anything there |
| 14:18.44 | Winkie | torrr: because that site is down, or at least extremely slow |
| 14:18.58 | stew | bassinboywk: have you run "apt-get clean" recently? |
| 14:19.19 | bassinboywk | stew: Yes, ok so that's what clean does. |
| 14:19.25 | torrr | Winkie, from windows it redirects me to another page |
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| 14:19.52 | Winkie | torrr: perhaps they do some processing based on the UserAgent, are you using firefox or IE in windows? |
| 14:20.13 | lodder | swap 1 |
| 14:20.14 | torrr | opera |
| 14:21.03 | Winkie | torrr: that's interesting, I get no response from it here |
| 14:21.55 | torrr | me to , from the debian, but from windows it very fast redirects |
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| 14:22.30 | torrr | Winkie, I am trying now from IE in wine, no luck |
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| 14:22.56 | Winkie | torrr: that's an interesting one, use wireshark/tcpdump to find out exactly what's happening? |
| 14:23.19 | torrr | Also opera in debian - no luck |
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| 14:25.27 | adinc | isn't it possible to have debian install security realted patches automaticaly |
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| 14:26.12 | aoeu | what's the difference between the opteron and the athlon 64 x2? |
| 14:26.19 | aoeu | is building a new linux box |
| 14:26.27 | wols_ | aoeu: ##hardware |
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| 14:28.06 | torrr | Winkie, I don't see any response in wireshark@debian |
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| 14:28.58 | torrr | Winkie, o, wait |
| 14:29.22 | Winkie | aoeu: l2 cache and SMP support, iirc |
| 14:29.41 | Winkie | aoeu: if you get an x2, get a later one, 4200+ |
| 14:29.47 | Winkie | you'll need it for paravirt support |
| 14:29.55 | torrr | Winkie, there is an ACK got back from it |
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| 14:30.38 | Winkie | torrr: you can use wireshark in windows if you install winpcap |
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| 14:30.53 | yacc | adinc: in theory yes, but in practice not all upgrades are 100% automatically upgradeable => sometimes a security upgrade forces one to reconfigure a service. |
| 14:30.53 | torrr | ok |
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| 14:31.22 | torrr | Winkie, I did a filter HTTP btw is that ok? |
| 14:31.36 | Winkie | torrr: filter by IP, not by protocol |
| 14:32.04 | stew | torrr: yes, filtering by port 80 is fine, if that is what you mean |
| 14:32.37 | adinc | yacc: what are the practial steps i need to do, in order to have this done |
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| 14:33.02 | stew | adinc: its recommended that you do not do this. it is possible that an automated update leaves your machine in an unusable state. |
| 14:33.23 | stew | adinc: a better solution is to have cron-apt download the updates and email you when they are ready to be installed |
| 14:33.24 | yacc | adinc: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 14:33.51 | adinc | yacc but this would upgrade the hole system wouldnt it |
| 14:33.59 | yacc | adinc: apt-get upgrade -s | grep -i secu should give you the packages that are coming from security. |
| 14:34.11 | yacc | adinc: naturally :) |
| 14:34.21 | stew | adinc: what version of debian are you using? |
| 14:34.28 | enouf | s/hole/whole |
| 14:34.39 | yacc | adinc: this might sound harsh, but not upgrading the whole system incrementally leaves with huge painful upgrades after some time. |
| 14:34.40 | adinc | stew: it is etch |
| 14:34.52 | stew | adinc: then all upgrades are security related |
| 14:35.06 | stew | adinc: unless you are using some unofficial repositories |
| 14:35.14 | adinc | stew: no, not till know |
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| 14:35.33 | adinc | so doing simply aptituted upgrade is safe? |
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| 14:35.49 | Winkie | adinc: it's not safe, that's sorta the point :) |
| 14:35.51 | stew | adinc: yes, but its not considered safe to run it unattended |
| 14:35.52 | yacc | adinc: you should also realize that stable means exactly that (and after some time "stale" *eg*). ;) |
| 14:36.00 | Winkie | it's quite often safe, but it's not guarenteed to be |
| 14:36.51 | adinc | ok, haivng cron-apt send mail about new security related updates and then doing it manually would be the best solution if i do understand you guys |
| 14:37.08 | Winkie | adinc: that'll work |
| 14:37.21 | stew | adinc: yes. you can also subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce to get email about security releases |
| 14:37.25 | yacc | adinc: two things can basically happen: 1.) apt/dpkg needs to ask you some critical config question 2.) a service breaks because it needs manual reconfiguration. |
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| 14:37.50 | adinc | exact, configuration question would be a big problem |
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| 14:38.12 | thrope | beginner question: how can I tell what version of debian a system is running (as nonroot user) - something like cat /etc/redhat-release but for debian |
| 14:38.54 | Winkie | thrope: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:39.29 | thrope | Winkie: doh, thanks - Im sure I tried looking but Im on a slow connection and I guess I didnt hit tab enough times |
| 14:39.34 | dude_ | cat /proc/version |
| 14:40.00 | thrope | no i wanted debian version - so 3 is sarge? |
| 14:40.12 | stew | torrr: 3.0 is woody. 3.1 is sarge |
| 14:40.17 | stew | thrope: ^^ |
| 14:40.21 | thrope | ok thanks |
| 14:40.24 | thrope | this is 3.0 |
| 14:40.37 | stew | thrope: then it really should be updated to 3.1, and then to 4.0 |
| 14:40.38 | yacc | adinc: in practice this means that you cannot run it without a human brain signing it off => configuration questions can be answered automatic (for a big enough cluster it might make sense), but broken configs is somethng that only humans can deal with. |
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| 14:41.11 | thrope | stew: you're telling me - Im trying to use it to do some python development but everythings so out of date |
| 14:41.15 | adinc | yacc: yes, i always let apt display the diff and manualy make changes |
| 14:41.33 | Winkie | yacc: do you know of any system to allow promted updates on many machines? I know a lot of people hack stuff up with rsh but I am in need of a somewhat more integrated approach |
| 14:41.43 | stew | thrope: "/msg dpkg woody->sarge" for upgrading to sarge, and once that is done, "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" |
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| 14:42.59 | yacc | Winkie: dsh -i -c -M but that only works if all boxes are completely in sync (-i copies stdin to all boxes concurrently). |
| 14:43.14 | thrope | stew: thanks - not my machine to upgrade though - its running quite a lot of stuff - I will reques tan upgrade though |
| 14:43.30 | yacc | Winkie: In practice, it's probably not solved, because it depends upon your internal business processes how to do it "right" in your context. |
| 14:43.34 | adinc | this link http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ subscription does not really work, i'm waiting for the last minutes in order to have that page subscribe me, my browser is waiting and waiting |
| 14:43.41 | yacc | Winkie: So we end up with people scripting stuff. |
| 14:44.24 | yacc | Winkie: expect comes to mind, make the tcl script spawn ssh connections to all relevant boxes, and respond to dpkg configure questions ;) |
| 14:44.51 | torrr | Winkie, in windows it goes to a different IP |
| 14:45.06 | Winkie | yacc: essentially that, but with Perl is what I am going to have to write I suggest |
| 14:45.09 | adinc | there were some opengl demonstrations like gear in the past, does someone know how this tool was called again? xgear doesnät work and gear aswell |
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| 14:45.12 | torrr | Winkie, thought I tried to telnet that IP and I get bad request |
| 14:45.14 | Winkie | torrr: from DNS or a HTTP redirect etc? |
| 14:45.46 | torrr | Winkie, when I filter HTTP, that is where the GET goes |
| 14:46.18 | Winkie | torrr: very interesting, i suppose it's plausible the DNS request is different and it's filtered somehow but it would seem unlikely |
| 14:46.35 | yacc | Winkie: Well, I'm almost sure that there is an expect like package in CPAN ;) |
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| 14:47.03 | Winkie | yacc: indeed, I was just hoping someone had done my damn work for me :D |
| 14:47.23 | Winkie | my knowledge of Perl far exceeds my knowledge of dpkg and where to correctly hook it |
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| 14:49.41 | Bubbletoes | is there a webiste anywhere that tells about the best hardware such as wireless cards to use with debian? |
| 14:49.46 | yacc | Winkie: dpkg without a controlling terminal will default to a TTY style config question interface. You can try it out by running something like ssh root@host dpkg configure SomePacketWithConfig |
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| 14:49.55 | enouf | !glxgears |
| 14:49.55 | dpkg | somebody said glxgears was an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
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| 14:50.19 | Akuwamari | i need to edit .mo files |
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| 14:50.25 | Akuwamari | what tool can i use? |
| 14:50.37 | ananth123 | has anyone tried skype voice/video chat under debian ? |
| 14:50.41 | Winkie | yacc: that's interesting, i will check it out anyway as this tool would save me plenty of time |
| 14:50.42 | yacc | Akuwamari: apt-cache search mo ? |
| 14:50.45 | Winkie | Akuwamari: what is a .mo file? |
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| 14:50.55 | Akuwamari | translation file |
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| 14:51.05 | mikearthur | Any idea why ssh won't print out the output of a remotely run C program? |
| 14:51.11 | Akuwamari | i used voice |
| 14:51.13 | yacc | Winkie: expect is a tcl extension that emulates a terminal session ;) |
| 14:51.16 | Akuwamari | no video |
| 14:51.23 | stew | mikearthur: it will |
| 14:51.27 | Winkie | yacc: indeed i've used expect before, but I was hoping to be somewhat more featureful |
| 14:51.29 | ananth123 | how is the quality ? good ? |
| 14:51.32 | Winkie | server classes / etc |
| 14:51.34 | mikearthur | stew: it isn't# |
| 14:51.41 | stew | mikearthur: be more specific |
| 14:51.43 | mikearthur | I think it is buffering it or something odd |
| 14:51.44 | yacc | Winkie: tcl is (kind-of) a complete language. |
| 14:51.59 | Winkie | yacc: yeah i do have some tcl experience, and it's not bad |
| 14:52.11 | Winkie | no slating TCL at all, just I wouldn't be able to write the utility as well as in Perl :) |
| 14:52.13 | stew | mikearthur: what makes you think that? |
| 14:52.27 | mikearthur | stew: if I run it myself |
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| 14:52.28 | yacc | Winkie: (kind-of ==> it's syntax is more a kind of complex shell quotation rules then what CS people would call a BNF ;) ) |
| 14:52.36 | mikearthur | the process is waiting on input |
| 14:52.44 | Akuwamari | ananth123 |
| 14:52.46 | mikearthur | but prints "PPE: Waiting for input data, please start x86_64" before it does so |
| 14:52.52 | Justin | Winkie: you are going about that all wrong |
| 14:52.53 | Akuwamari | ananth123: the quality is very good |
| 14:53.00 | Winkie | Justin: oh? |
| 14:53.02 | ananth123 | Akuwamari: thank you! |
| 14:53.04 | mikearthur | stew: if I run it using ssh it doesn't print that until I terminate the process |
| 14:53.11 | vn | hi, why would I get this in a fresh debian install? I copied my sources.list from an existing debian box : Failed to fetch file:/var/apt-build/repository/dists/apt-build/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz File not found |
| 14:53.13 | Justin | Winkie: if you know the answers to the dpkg questions you can pre-fill them in using debconf, and tell dpkg not to re-ask |
| 14:53.13 | stew | mikearthur: what is the exact command you are running? |
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| 14:53.32 | mikearthur | stew: what is the remote command? |
| 14:53.35 | slidesinger | ext3: Can both the superblock and the alternate superblock be bad? |
| 14:53.37 | mikearthur | stew: I program I wrote |
| 14:53.45 | mikearthur | just doing printfs from C |
| 14:53.46 | Winkie | Justin: my intention was not to pre-know answers to dpkg questions, rather to build a simple framework for administering several servers simultaneously. Answering questions I haven't even begun to think about properly yet :) |
| 14:53.46 | stew | mikearthur: what command do you run that gives you that error? |
| 14:53.47 | mikearthur | to stdout |
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| 14:53.59 | mikearthur | I wrote the software |
| 14:54.10 | drwahl | i am trying to forward an X app through ssh. it worked yesterday, then i logged off and headed home from work. i'm at work again today, i and get "X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)." when i try to run X apps. what do i need to start (or restart) to get xforwarding to work again? |
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| 14:55.25 | yacc | drwahl: relogin via ssh? |
| 14:55.36 | mikearthur | stew: sorry, got to run, will ask again on Tuesday :) Thanks! |
| 14:55.41 | pumpkin0 | drwahl: did you use ssh -X ? |
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| 14:56.17 | yacc | Winkie: well, you could do that quite nicely, by displaying the stuff you captured from your sessions to the admin ;) |
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| 14:57.11 | Winkie | yacc: yeah, unfortunately i've got a fair few things to work on first, such as why the hell we're getting obscure random drive failures on what are not cheap drives |
| 14:57.17 | Winkie | i'll do it sooner or later :) |
| 14:57.31 | Winkie | drwahl: are you trying to switch user and forward X by any chance? |
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| 14:59.08 | yacc | Winkie: Ah, well, the "the day has only 24 hours" problem. Sorry no solution here ;( |
| 15:00.00 | Justin | Winkie: there are things like puppet for that |
| 15:00.16 | Winkie | Justin: for what sorry? |
| 15:00.24 | Justin | Winkie: and cfengine, though I think puppet is newer and "better" :) |
| 15:00.33 | Justin | Winkie: framework for administering several servers simultaneously |
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| 15:01.32 | Winkie | Justin: ah, we use cfengine at present, but it has no feature for package management i am aware of |
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| 15:01.39 | Soskel | hi |
| 15:01.39 | Soskel | can sftp transfer remote server to remote server? or only local to remote? |
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| 15:01.48 | Vladimir | hello all |
| 15:01.50 | Winkie | i'll check out puppet though, not sure how well it would interoperate with FAI but i guess we'll see |
| 15:02.35 | Vladimir | is it possible to have all those startup scripts run in the background i.e. to have blank screen instead all those script info? |
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| 15:03.42 | Justin | Soskel: do you have ssh access? |
| 15:03.52 | Soskel | i got it nvm |
| 15:03.56 | Soskel | thanks anyway |
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| 15:04.12 | stew | Vladimir: append "CONSOLE=/dev/tty2" to the kernel command line |
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| 15:05.17 | Vladimir | stew: simple as that? for example in dos, you would have echo off / on ;-) |
| 15:05.47 | fireba11 | hi, i never used usb storage with debian so far, do i need to do something bevore unplugging them to make sure they are not writing right now ? |
| 15:06.04 | stew | Vladimir: adding CONSOLE=/dev/tty2 will make all those messages you normally see at boot go to /dev/tty2 while you stare at a blank /dev/tty1 |
| 15:06.19 | CharminTheMoose | I'm having a problem with gtk-window-decorator running under compiz, everytime I try and run it, it fails and says it cannot find the files for the 'clearlooks' theme. any suggestions on how to make gtk-window-decorator find clearlooks? |
| 15:06.21 | stew | fireba11: umount the volume |
| 15:06.32 | Justin | CharminTheMoose: is clearlooks installed? |
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| 15:06.44 | drwahl | yacc, pumpkin0, Winkie: i have not tried logging out and back in via ssh yet (i will do that in a second). i am using putty with xforwarding, so i believe it is using ssh -Y. |
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| 15:07.04 | yacc | ssh -X you mean ;) |
| 15:07.14 | drwahl | ya :) |
| 15:07.27 | drwahl | something like that |
| 15:07.29 | CharminTheMoose | Justin, I've installed the gnome-themes package.. so yeah I think. |
| 15:07.45 | drwahl | ok, i logged out and back in, and still no go. not sure why its giving me this problem today |
| 15:07.55 | drwahl | my server has sat idle since i logged out yesterday |
| 15:08.09 | Justin | CharminTheMoose: how about the package with clearlooks in the name? |
| 15:08.32 | CharminTheMoose | Justin, i'm running debian testing.. there isn't one.. |
| 15:08.36 | torrr | Winkie, in windows in my request there is a Referer: field |
| 15:08.45 | Justin | CharminTheMoose: i see |
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| 15:10.22 | stew | torrr: what is in the Referer field? |
| 15:10.40 | stew | torrr: are you sure you are looking at the original request and not a redirected request? |
| 15:10.43 | torrr | stew: the original address |
| 15:10.47 | CharminTheMoose | Justin, it was working yesterday.. |
| 15:11.00 | torrr | stew: it is the only request I see |
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| 15:12.44 | stew | torrr: and what page is being requested with GET ? |
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| 15:15.21 | torrr | stew: GET /hovercraft/ HTTP/1.1 |
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| 15:15.43 | stew | torrr: so this is a redirect |
| 15:16.09 | torrr | stew: OK |
| 15:16.09 | stew | oh, no |
| 15:16.29 | torrr | stew: but where is the original request? |
| 15:16.29 | stew | i didn't think /hovercraft/ was the original page, but it is |
| 15:16.36 | stew | torrr: i don't know. nevermind |
| 15:16.49 | stew | torrr: you should probably just be asking the webmaster for the site about htis |
| 15:17.06 | torrr | stew: yea |
| 15:17.35 | torrr | stew: I just hate it when things go wrong only in linux, and not in windows |
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| 15:18.25 | torrr | stew: That gives people reason to prefer windows |
| 15:18.39 | stew | torrr: make sure both windows and linux resolve the name to the same ip |
| 15:19.07 | torrr | ping? |
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| 15:20.42 | torrr | stew: ping shows the same IP |
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| 15:20.53 | torrr | stew: in win and deb |
| 15:21.02 | rwycuff | does any one here have experience with qmail-ldap and active directory |
| 15:21.07 | Vladimir | stew:but isnt possible to have full black screen while it boots? |
| 15:21.13 | stew | Vladimir: yes |
| 15:21.55 | stew | Vladimir: isn't that what I already told you? |
| 15:21.58 | stew | Vladimir: did you try it? |
| 15:22.26 | Vladimir | stew: i did, but it is the same, or i am typing console=/dev/tty2 at the wrong window? |
| 15:22.46 | stew | Vladimir: which bootloader are you using? |
| 15:23.09 | stew | Vladimir: grub? |
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| 15:23.17 | Vladimir | stew: yes |
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| 15:24.03 | stew | Vladimir: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (or /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst) and find the line that starts with "# kopt=..." add " CONSOLE=/dev/tty2" to the end of that line. save the changes, then run "update-grub" and reboot |
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| 15:24.40 | thrope | is there anywhere I can get package lists for older versions (woody, sarge) - couldnt find them on packages.debian.org |
| 15:24.40 | stew | Vladimir: for good measure, make it " console=/dev/tty2 CONSOLE=/dev/tty2" |
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| 15:25.24 | stew | torrr: packages.debian.org would still have sarge. what specifically are you looking for? |
| 15:25.40 | thrope | want to see if it has pysvn - (python-svn) |
| 15:25.47 | thrope | in woody and sarge |
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| 15:26.02 | yacc | stew: why not all permutions of lower and upper case of console :-P |
| 15:26.02 | stew | torrr: http://packages.debian.org/python-svn would tell you about sarge at least |
| 15:26.11 | abrotman | thrope: ^^ |
| 15:26.11 | stew | yacc: becuase only 2 are necessary |
| 15:26.25 | yacc | stew: why 2, and not only the correct one? |
| 15:26.37 | torrr | stew: thrope |
| 15:26.55 | stew | yacc: which of those 2 is not correct? |
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| 15:27.35 | thrope | stew: thanks |
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| 15:28.08 | stew | thrope: according to http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pysvn.html it was first uploaded in 2004, so it wouldn't have been in woody |
| 15:28.14 | yacc | stew: if I believe the kernel docs, console= is it, not CONSOLE= ;) |
| 15:28.17 | stew | thrope: nevermind, that is not true |
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| 15:28.48 | yacc | stew: Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 15:30.10 | Vladimir | stew: heh, says command not found update-grub , i saved changes and rebooted but it is still the same |
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| 15:30.55 | enouf | not sure how well "quiet" would work, but worth a shot i guess |
| 15:31.18 | stew | Vladimir: did you run update-grub as root? |
| 15:31.35 | stew | yacc: *shrug* if you google, you will find tons of people recommending both |
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| 15:31.59 | vn | is there a way I can transfert some users from my old box to my new debian box? just copying /etc/passwd line? looks too simple to me |
| 15:32.03 | vn | -t |
| 15:32.03 | stew | Vladimir: without running update-grub, i'd not expect it to make a difference |
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| 15:32.22 | vn | I mean..the user AND the password without knowing the password |
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| 15:32.52 | Vladimir | stew: yeah, as root, yeah, sorry, i am new to debian, i tryed with CONSOLE< now will try with console |
| 15:32.56 | edistar | vn: /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 15:33.02 | Greyhound- | hi. does anyone know what the root password is on the debian 4 livecd? |
| 15:33.03 | stew | vn: /etc/shadow has the password. you also probably need stuff from /etc/group |
| 15:33.15 | stew | Vladimir: try with both, and you must run update-grub |
| 15:33.24 | buscon | Hi, how can I connect to mysql as root user ? |
| 15:33.29 | vn | ok, will it interferer with the actual file permission? |
| 15:33.32 | vn | +s |
| 15:33.33 | stew | Greyhound-: ask #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 15:33.35 | buscon | which password ? |
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| 15:33.59 | Greyhound- | thanks stew |
| 15:34.15 | Greyhound- | /newserver irc.debian.org |
| 15:34.18 | Greyhound- | oops |
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| 15:34.57 | Osx86 | hi all |
| 15:35.10 | Osx86 | can someone tell me how to mount the dev file system |
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| 15:35.22 | stew | vn: ownership of files are just stored as a number. so when you add a new user to a system, they will own any files on that system that happen to be owned by the uid which you assign the user |
| 15:35.30 | Osx86 | i'm trying to create a xen Centos domU on my Etch |
| 15:35.31 | stew | Osx86: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:35.53 | Osx86 | 2.6.18-5-xen-686 |
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| 15:36.17 | stew | Osx86: then /dev isn't mounted. it is either a static directory of devices, or you run udev |
| 15:36.22 | vn | ok, thanks stew |
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| 15:36.39 | Osx86 | stew: i think its udev |
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| 15:36.40 | vn | I feel it's gonna be a bit tricky.. |
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| 15:37.04 | synchronized | can anyone help me with ircd |
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| 15:37.19 | stew | synchronized: ask a more specific question |
| 15:37.22 | enouf | Osx86: try udevtrigger --verbose |
| 15:37.36 | synchronized | how do I register on my own server as a sysop |
| 15:37.40 | Whisky | whats the main difference between debian and ubuntu? I find them similar :/ |
| 15:37.51 | synchronized | debian is blue, ubuntu is orange |
| 15:37.59 | Osx86 | enouf: it gaves me a bunch of lines |
| 15:38.04 | abrotman | synchronized: read the documentation for your ircd |
| 15:38.11 | Whisky | no, seriously :/ |
| 15:38.19 | stew | Whisky: they are unrelated projects with different goals. |
| 15:38.23 | enouf | Osx86: see now if /dev/ is populated |
| 15:38.29 | Whisky | what are the goals? |
| 15:38.29 | stew | Whisky: ##linux is a better place to ask |
| 15:39.05 | Osx86 | the thing is that i'm chrooted in my system for now. When booting i can't enter in my system. I've got some udev error telling me there is no /dev/.udev/... diretory |
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| 15:39.29 | Osx86 | enouf: as i'm chrooted, it is not |
| 15:39.31 | Whisky | Ok and which CD's do I need for a new Debian install? I'm a noob |
| 15:39.41 | Whisky | i can't download all 14 |
| 15:39.52 | synchronized | the man file didn't say anything about it |
| 15:39.53 | enouf | Osx86: prior to chroot, try mount --bind /dev /target/dev (where /target is you chroot) |
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| 15:40.42 | Osx86 | enouf: yes, now it is populated |
| 15:40.49 | stew | synchronized: what is a "sysop" in terms of ircd? |
| 15:40.58 | synchronized | what? |
| 15:40.59 | Osx86 | i will try to boot my system. Thanks enouf. |
| 15:41.14 | enouf | Osx86: you might want to also bind /sys and /proc (not sure for your purposes) |
| 15:41.17 | synchronized | Like the sysops of freenode |
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| 15:41.22 | synchronized | that can k-line people |
| 15:41.37 | stew | synchronized: add an O: line |
| 15:41.51 | stew | synchronized: and that woudl be an ircop, not a sysop |
| 15:42.02 | synchronized | i add it to the ircd.conf file? |
| 15:42.15 | Whisky | I cannot download all the CD's of debian. Which CD's do I REALLY need? |
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| 15:42.20 | stew | synchronized: typically, yes. though you haven't mentioned which ircd you are using |
| 15:42.34 | synchronized | ircd-ircu |
| 15:42.35 | enouf | Whisky: netinst, or CD1 is fine |
| 15:42.45 | stew | Whisky: if your machine can get on the internet with a stock debian kernel, then you only need the first or a netinst (which is a ~150 mb cd) |
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| 15:43.00 | enouf | Whisky: /msg dpkg di |
| 15:43.03 | stew | synchronized: then yes, add an O: line to ircd.conf |
| 15:43.16 | synchronized | and how do i give it a password |
| 15:43.22 | usar | when given a device name of a partition, what's a simple way of getting the fs type of that partition? Best thing I could come up with thus far is 'removing the number at the end, calling fdisk -l on the rest, searching for the whole thing in the ouput and extracting the type from the last column of the right line in the output' |
| 15:43.29 | usar | but I am hoping there is a simpler way |
| 15:43.33 | Vladimir | stew: i noticed, after running update-grub, menu.lst backs to original state, but i saved everything |
| 15:43.41 | Whisky | Ok I'll start with CD1 |
| 15:43.42 | wols_ | usar: file <partition> |
| 15:43.44 | Whisky | =) |
| 15:43.49 | usar | wols_: doh :) |
| 15:43.52 | stew | Vladimir: what do you mean by original state? |
| 15:43.53 | synchronized | O:Kurt would be right? |
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| 15:44.08 | enouf | usar: file -s /dev/hda1 |
| 15:44.15 | Osx86 | enouf: lol. i'm not able to unmount my mount Centos system |
| 15:44.27 | stew | Osx86: why not? |
| 15:44.38 | Vladimir | stew: you told me to change like #kopt ... autoboot, i removed #, so the line is koopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro CONSOLE=/dev/tty2 or ? |
| 15:44.38 | Osx86 | enouf: device busy |
| 15:44.39 | usar | enouf: Ah, the -s is important :) |
| 15:44.40 | enouf | usar: also, udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sda1 |
| 15:44.43 | synchronized | how do i give it a password >:( |
| 15:44.50 | usar | enouf, wols_: thank you both |
| 15:44.56 | stew | Osx86: "fuser -m mountpoint" to see what files are still open on the moutnpint |
| 15:46.11 | Osx86 | stew: which packages gave this binary plz? |
| 15:46.28 | enouf | Osx86: i know mounting and umounting should be done in a specific order, ergo; mount /target (do all binding), chroot ... then to reverse; "exit" from chroot, umount --bind mounts, umount /target |
| 15:46.56 | enouf | $ dlocate fuser |
| 15:46.57 | enouf | psmisc: /bin/fuser |
| 15:47.53 | enouf | Osx86: though what i'm referring to might not pertain to xen, and dom0 domU etc, i'm speaking in general |
| 15:48.42 | stew | synchronized: they are crypt encrypted, you can create one using mkpasswd |
| 15:49.07 | synchronized | for ircd? |
| 15:49.15 | stew | synchronized: yes |
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| 15:49.25 | Osx86 | enouf: i'm lost... |
| 15:49.31 | synchronized | so i enter that in a terminal? |
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| 15:50.01 | Osx86 | enouf: dlocate fuser give fuse-utils but the binary is fusermount |
| 15:50.06 | stew | synchronized: mkpasswd is a utility that you can use to create a crypt encrypted password which is the form in which you must put it into the O: line |
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| 15:50.55 | synchronized | so the O; line would be like this |
| 15:50.59 | synchronized | O:kurt password |
| 15:51.07 | enouf | Osx86: fuser and FUSE (fusemount) are entirely different things, iinm |
| 15:51.07 | Osx86 | enouf: also umount do not take the --bind as argument |
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| 15:51.27 | enouf | Osx86: you don't use --bind as a umount arg |
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| 15:52.02 | stew | synchronized: not even close |
| 15:52.04 | Osx86 | does lsof can do the job of fuser? |
| 15:52.17 | synchronized | then how do i make it |
| 15:52.18 | enouf | Osx86: say you mount --bind /dev/ target/dev -- just umount /target/dev (after exiting chrrot) |
| 15:52.20 | Vladimir | stew: after running update- grub, my changed file becomes menu.lst~ and menu.lst is back to origina lstate |
| 15:52.36 | enouf | Osx86: here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/433 might explain a bit about that |
| 15:52.39 | Osx86 | enouf: that's what i've done |
| 15:53.03 | enouf | Osx86: lsof and fuser can do similar things |
| 15:53.07 | Osx86 | the mount command gives me no mount point actived on my target |
| 15:53.19 | enouf | Osx86: i have no idea what you did prior |
| 15:53.19 | stew | synchronized: O:<host/IP mask>:<encrypted password>:<Nick>::<connection class> |
| 15:53.32 | stew | synchronized: look at the example config in /usr/share/doc/ircd-ircu |
| 15:54.14 | enouf | Vladimir: in case nobody answered , no do not remove the # from in front of #kopts= |
| 15:54.15 | stew | Vladimir: no it doesn't. your editor is probably making menu.lst~. show us the contents of menu.lst before and after running update-grub |
| 15:54.27 | enouf | Vladimir: read teh file comments |
| 15:54.34 | Osx86 | enouf: fuser /temp gives me nothing... lol |
| 15:54.49 | stew | Osx86: "fuser -m /temp" ? |
| 15:54.52 | enouf | Vladimir: the ## lines are comments in the AUTOMAGIC area, all # lines are read and processed |
| 15:55.09 | Osx86 | stew: same |
| 15:55.33 | Spec | all i need to mount an nfs volume in debian is nfs-common and portmap, right? |
| 15:56.22 | Osx86 | allright |
| 15:56.37 | Osx86 | i've chrooted and umount all volumes |
| 15:56.50 | Osx86 | then i was able to umount my /temp again |
| 15:56.53 | Osx86 | thanks all |
| 15:57.31 | enouf | then that means you --bind mounted them while within the chroot (afaict) |
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| 15:58.30 | Osx86 | enouf: probably, i do not remember. Now, as launching my domU i'm still gtting the udev error : udev_db_add_device: unable to create db file |
| 15:58.31 | enouf | (which i explicitly noted that's not how i do it - it might work for you though) |
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| 15:59.02 | enouf | Osx86: apologies, i have no tshooting abils with Xen related things |
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| 15:59.20 | Vladimir | stew: now says uncompressing, and does not boot, nevermind.... |
| 15:59.28 | synchronized | how do i change the permissions of a folder? |
| 15:59.29 | stew | Osx86: if you are having trouble running udev in CentOS, you should ask in a centos related channel |
| 15:59.32 | Osx86 | enouf: no problem, you're trying to help me, so thanks you very much |
| 15:59.38 | stew | synchronized: what chmod |
| 15:59.42 | z-force | i have found something looking like debian mirror in my lan |
| 15:59.48 | stew | synchronized: err, with chmod |
| 15:59.54 | z-force | but it looks like only samba is supported |
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| 16:00.24 | Osx86 | stew: you're right. i move. thanks. |
| 16:00.33 | z-force | but repository doesn't support samba method |
| 16:00.36 | enouf | Osx86: could try http://www.debian-administration.org/about/search and lookup xen perhaps |
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| 16:01.06 | z-force | is there any external add-on for samba method support? |
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| 16:01.53 | Whisky | whats the difference between "debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent " AND "debian-update-4.0r3-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent" |
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| 16:02.36 | enouf | Whisky: is the latter much much smaller in MB? |
| 16:02.39 | stew | Whisky: you want the first one |
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| 16:03.14 | Whisky | enouf: I don't know :) |
| 16:03.21 | Whisky | stew: Ok thanks :) |
| 16:03.37 | Whisky | stew: how do I utilize the update? |
| 16:03.37 | Joelito | Hi all: how can I get the lastest linux image so I can install it on my debian etch box? |
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| 16:03.56 | Justin | Joelito: "lastest"? |
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| 16:04.07 | stew | Whisky: the update is for people that installed 4.0r0 or 4.0r1 or 4.0r2 |
| 16:04.09 | klikklak | 0.9 kernel then |
| 16:04.28 | Joelito | Justin: I mean: 2.6.18 isn't the lastest, right? |
| 16:04.38 | grendal_prime | i need to secure some linux security training for this quarter, anyone have any suggestions? |
| 16:04.49 | enouf | Whisky: 4.0r3 is up to date, see /topic |
| 16:05.56 | enouf | grendal_prime: install harden-doc pkg? |
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| 16:08.09 | wols_ | enouf: he means some place where he can go to for a few days and where his boss can spend some money for his "training" |
| 16:08.12 | wols_ | grendal_prime: ##linux |
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| 16:09.03 | grendal_prime | wols_: ya that works for me..or a cbt ither way..i just have to get signed up for it this quarter |
| 16:09.27 | wols_ | this quarter ends in a week or so... |
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| 16:10.59 | grendal_prime | it doesnt have to be done this quarter..i just have to sign up for it.. |
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| 16:11.55 | felipe__ | hi |
| 16:12.01 | felipe__ | im having some troubles installing |
| 16:12.03 | felipe__ | approx |
| 16:12.46 | felipe__ | when I try to install it with apt-get install it tells me that I have insatisfied dependencies |
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| 16:13.53 | k-os | what's the latest gnome in the unstable branch? |
| 16:13.59 | k-os | 2.18 or 2.20? |
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| 16:14.13 | azeem | 2.22 |
| 16:14.31 | azeem | k-os: packages.debian.org would've told you |
| 16:14.42 | Winkie | 2.22 is released now too so surely it'll be 2.24 as soon as possible :) |
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| 16:15.02 | Fireball | is a problem with vmware server (scsi harddisk) + lenny b1 known? |
| 16:15.10 | azeem | Winkie: 2.24 isn't released until autumn, noß |
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| 16:15.35 | Fireball | it doesn't matter if I install right from the bootcd (can't find hdd), or via apt dist-upgrade (can't mount /dev/sda1 after restart) |
| 16:16.19 | Vladimir | stew: thank you for destroing my system ;-) |
| 16:16.22 | Winkie | azeem: sure, but it will be on unstable way before release right? |
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| 16:16.35 | azeem | Winkie: no, because 2.24 will not exist before release |
| 16:16.55 | Winkie | that's an interesting way of looking at it, but whatever |
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| 16:16.56 | azeem | and 2.23 is likely to be in experimental |
| 16:17.00 | azeem | Winkie: eh? |
| 16:17.07 | Winkie | oh i suppose that's gnome's way of naming isn't it? |
| 16:17.09 | rdz | hi all. i have a ps file with size A5 and i would like to put it twice into file with A4 size. what tools can be used to achieve that? |
| 16:17.11 | Winkie | 2.23 is their development |
| 16:17.13 | Winkie | i forgot about that |
| 16:17.14 | azeem | of course |
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| 16:17.42 | Winkie | still i'd expect .23 to be in unstable from my previous experience |
| 16:17.47 | Justin | rdz: psnup? |
| 16:17.49 | azeem | I don#t |
| 16:17.58 | azeem | Winkie: 2.21 wasn't in unstable either |
| 16:18.04 | rdz | Justin, i'll check. thanks |
| 16:18.07 | Winkie | azeem: fair enough, i'll trust you more than me on this :) |
| 16:18.15 | azeem | plus there's the lenny release around the 2.24 release anyway |
| 16:18.26 | slidesinger | Sorry, know this was asked before, but I lost the net connection. Can both the primary and backup superblock be bad? |
| 16:18.49 | Winkie | slidesinger: in what filesystem? ext3 stores many backup superblocks |
| 16:18.54 | Winkie | and yes many of them can be bad for many reasons |
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| 16:19.48 | slidesinger | Winkie: it is ext3. Trying to repair a partition that can not be read. |
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| 16:19.55 | stew | < Vladimir> stew: now says uncompressing, and does not boot, nevermind.... |
| 16:20.06 | stew | i wonder if that means it was actually working exactly as he asked |
| 16:20.17 | stew | since if it was, that's all it would say on tty1 |
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| 16:20.39 | Winkie | slidesinger: ext3 will store a significant number of backup superblocks |
| 16:20.55 | Winkie | you can try mke2fs -n /dev/device to get a list of where they would be stored by default |
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| 16:21.16 | slidesinger | Winkie: That's good news! Thanks |
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| 16:21.55 | Winkie | slidesinger: make sure you use -n, so you don't actually overwrite the FS |
| 16:22.49 | slidesinger | Winkie: Did it - it gave me a rather extensive list. |
| 16:23.13 | Winkie | slidesinger: presuming you didn't create the ext3fs with a specific blocksize, pick one and use it as the argument to -b in fsck.ext3 |
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| 16:23.26 | Winkie | (it's a good idea to start with -n on fsck too) |
| 16:23.55 | slidesinger | Winkie: Thanks. |
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| 16:24.03 | Winkie | slidesinger: hope you repair your FS :) |
| 16:24.24 | slidesinger | As do I. |
| 16:24.29 | drp | I'm trying to install 4.0r3 etch from a netinst CD (amd64) onto my server. The machine has 2 SAS hard drives configured in a RAID-1 array on an Adaptec 31205 hardware PCI-E RAID card. |
| 16:24.35 | Winkie | no offence intended, but don't hold out too much hope |
| 16:24.39 | drp | d-i hangs after the third step though |
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| 16:24.45 | Winkie | if your filesystem is bad and you're down to that level, you didn't back up properly |
| 16:24.59 | drp | Right after it detects and mounts the CD it sits there at a blue screen |
| 16:25.15 | drp | The machine's HDD LED activity light is solidly on |
| 16:25.21 | slidesinger | Winkie: Actually, it is the backup server, of which I have a mirror that is still online. |
| 16:25.28 | drp | The hard drives feel as if they are spining |
| 16:25.29 | bombshock | would having python 2.2 and python 2.4 installed on the same box cause conflicts with each other? |
| 16:25.38 | drp | but d-i is frozen and not even Ctrl+Alt+Del does anything |
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| 16:25.44 | Justin | bombshock: no, but you should probabably remove 2.2 |
| 16:25.55 | Justin | er, probably :) |
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| 16:26.41 | bombshock | justin: lol its just that i have 2.4 atm and the app requires 2.2 to compile and i think its for that reason that its unable to make correctly |
| 16:26.45 | Winkie | slidesinger: ah well in that case, well done for backing up correctly :D |
| 16:27.04 | slidesinger | chuckle |
| 16:27.05 | Justin | bombshock: it requires 2.2? |
| 16:27.12 | slidesinger | Winkie: Thanks. |
| 16:27.13 | Justin | bombshock: or it is just looking for a binary called 'python2.2' ? |
| 16:27.16 | stew | bombshock: having 2.2 and 2.4 installed ont eh same box would not cause conflicts assuming they were both installed from debian packages |
| 16:27.45 | stew | bombshock: if you have python that requires 2.2 then change the shebang from #!/usr/bin/python to #!/usr/bin/python2.2 |
| 16:29.23 | bombshock | stew, justin: its my theory. im trying to compile fluxspace but i get the followin error: error: no matching function for call to 'FbTk::FbPixmap::FbPixmap(FbTk::FbPixmap)'. and the onlything its that it was last tested and correctly compiled from python 2.2 |
| 16:29.41 | Justin | bombshock: that looks unrelated to python |
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| 16:30.18 | bombshock | justin: i know but thats the only dependencie that is not met! im short of ideas! |
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| 16:32.33 | Justin | bombshock: put FbTk::FbPixmap::FbPixmap(FbTk::FbPixmap) into google |
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| 16:32.42 | enouf | drp: just a guess, but at the boot prompt do; expert pci=nommconf |
| 16:33.04 | bombshock | justin: lol i did... no answer to this prob |
| 16:33.16 | bombshock | justin: well not that ive seen |
| 16:35.25 | Justin | bombshock: some of those hits have a fix |
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| 16:35.48 | Justin | bombshock: I'd forget about it though, i'm sure in the last 4 years a better program has been written |
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| 16:35.54 | bombshock | justin: u have the link from my search i didnt see those fix |
| 16:36.02 | tin_nqn | hi everyone |
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| 16:36.39 | Justin | bombshock: the one about debian bugs |
| 16:37.05 | enouf | drp: other options might be pci=routeirq, acpi=off, .. also the f1-f10 screens have some options about specific hardware, though yours might not take those args listed explicitly, it might need something similar -- could try a kmuto newer kernel (do "/msg dpkg kmuto") note; not considered official, also could ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:37.09 | tin_nqn | somebody knows some web page/article with a resume of what can be done with low spec machines ? |
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| 16:38.42 | chops | tin_nqn: Almost anything can be done with low spec machines |
| 16:38.45 | chops | tin_nqn: Just slower :-) |
| 16:38.47 | sarefo | what's a good program to view .eps files today? iirc i used gv ages ago... |
| 16:39.00 | Spec | chops: not necessarily |
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| 16:39.12 | Spec | low spec machines are *great* for LTSP servers, which gives you the performance of the main server. |
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| 16:39.28 | Spec | they dont' need harddrives, cdroms, etc. cheap, cost effective. laa dee daa, go floss. |
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| 16:40.13 | stew | sarefo: gv still works, if you want something fancier, perhaps evince? |
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| 16:40.59 | DANNX | hello |
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| 16:41.53 | sarefo | stew: well, 'works' but... sucks as a modern program. evince looks nice, i guess that's what i was looking for, thx :) |
| 16:42.10 | Winkie | evince is pretty good, but if you're reading giantic documents you may end up with some weird issues |
| 16:42.17 | Winkie | it will sometimes take an exceptionally long time to load a specific page |
| 16:42.33 | darius12 | why must debian start all the services it installs right away? is there any way to prevent this behavior? |
| 16:42.37 | Winkie | this is reading NIST stuff though so it's 300+ pages full of graphs, tables etc |
| 16:42.54 | chops | darius12: Which service? In general I don't think there is a way. |
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| 16:43.06 | chops | darius12: The general rule is, "if you don't want it running, don't install it" :-) |
| 16:43.19 | darius12 | chops: this not right |
| 16:43.35 | darius12 | because you might not want to install something explicitly |
| 16:43.45 | darius12 | but apt-get pulls it in through dependencies |
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| 16:44.07 | sarefo | stew: now, what would you suggest to edit .eps files (and i don't mean the source ;)? |
| 16:44.09 | darius12 | inetutils-inetd is the most annoying example of this practice |
| 16:44.27 | chops | darius12: What package are you talking about? If something not actually needed gets pulled in through dependencies, it's a bug in the package that pulls it in; installing and then not starting the dependency would not be a good solution to that. |
| 16:44.49 | sChaaa | hola |
| 16:44.53 | stevem | Lo, since gnome/xfce/kde are all using 'freedesktop' menu's - is there a 'Freedesktop Menu Editor' of some kind? the xfce4-menueditor doesn't let you edit much _at all_ :( |
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| 16:45.01 | rdz | sarefo, without having followed your previous discussion there is inkscape |
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| 16:45.14 | darius12 | chops: if something is installed to satisfy a dependency (e.g., exim is prefered for mta) but later replaced |
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| 16:45.35 | darius12 | it would be nice to not start it in the meantime. |
| 16:45.54 | stew | sarefo: i don't know. |
| 16:46.09 | darius12 | chops: And generally starting something right away is very bad for chroot installs |
| 16:46.17 | sarefo | rdz: right, couldn't think of the name right now. thx to you both! |
| 16:46.30 | chops | darius12: So leaving the system with no running MTA in the interim is better than running MTA 1 until MTA 2 is installed, and then stopping it and starting MTA 2? You've not convinced me :-). |
| 16:46.31 | eitan | A program I was running sent an enormous file to my printer. Even though I cancelled the print job, my printer has not accepted print jobs from the computer since then. What could be going wrong? Help is appreciated. |
| 16:46.36 | stew | darius12: if you replace exim with something else, exim will be uninstalled and therefore not started |
| 16:46.37 | chops | darius12: For chroots it's very problematic at times, yes. |
| 16:47.20 | Winkie | eitan: what type of printer is it / have you turned it off and on again? |
| 16:47.22 | darius12 | I would be happy if I could say: "don't start *anything*" for a specific install |
| 16:47.28 | enouf | darius12: /msg dpkg rcconf and /msg dpkg harden |
| 16:47.47 | darius12 | thanks |
| 16:48.02 | eitan | Winkie: It's an HP LJ 2200. I have turned it off and on again, and I have turned the computer off and on again. |
| 16:48.06 | enouf | bah, i'm late and not caught up with all you said |
| 16:48.12 | chops | darius12: That would be useful for chroots, but hard to implement AFAICS. You might be able to do it with a custom version of invoke-rc.d (which would be useful even if it didn't cover every package). |
| 16:48.25 | eitan | Winkie: my printing used to work perfectly, and now it's totally broken. |
| 16:48.34 | Winkie | eitan: god knows, it could well just have filled its RAM and not be happy, printers are fickle beasts |
| 16:48.43 | Winkie | a 2200 should have a LCD interface or a web interface right? |
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| 16:48.59 | darius12 | chops: do most service packages use invoke-rc.d? (at least the important ones) |
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| 16:49.05 | eitan | Winkie: one clue on the printer, is that it's not accepting reset commands. |
| 16:49.27 | eitan | Winkie: the 2200 does not have an LCD or a web interface. |
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| 16:49.57 | Winkie | eitan: oh? well in that case there's a reset sequence you can use but i forget it |
| 16:49.59 | Winkie | let me check HPs site |
| 16:50.08 | chops | darius12: I think most do. I honestly have no idea what the proportion is (beyond assuming that there are certainly some that just put '/etc/init.d/blah start' in postinst) |
| 16:50.09 | eitan | Winkie: shouldn't turning the printer off and on clear the ram? |
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| 16:50.30 | Winkie | eitan: i'm not going to answer, I don't trust printers as far as I can throw them |
| 16:50.31 | cesa1 | en donde estoy |
| 16:50.44 | darius12 | chops: thank you very much for the idea :-) |
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| 16:50.51 | Justin | Winkie: well, some of the printers have wheels, and you could ROLL them pretty far :) |
| 16:50.51 | cesa1 | alguien en español |
| 16:50.54 | azeem | !es |
| 16:50.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:50.55 | chops | darius12: np |
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| 16:51.29 | stew | darius12: if a package is going to try to start upon installing it must use invoke-rc.d by policy afaik |
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| 16:51.57 | stew | darius12: if your intention is to replace invoke-rc.d, you should do it with dpkg-divert |
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| 16:52.27 | eitan | Winkie: that's all the help you can offer? |
| 16:52.32 | chops | darius12: For all I know there's a way to configure invoke-rc.d to never do anything already (though that might break several install scripts; e.g. mysql probably wants to install, then start the server, then connect to the server to do some setup and configuration) |
| 16:52.45 | eitan | Can anyone else help with my printer problem? |
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| 16:53.15 | Bob_A_Bowie | whats the latest debian stable kernel version? |
| 16:53.18 | darius12 | chops: yes, I know about mysql (it needs to setup its default database at least) |
| 16:53.31 | eitan | bye then. |
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| 16:53.42 | chops | !info linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 16:53.48 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 16:55.12 | vorsprung | haha |
| 16:55.29 | linkslice | which mailing list would be the best one for someone looking for help on making a few backports? |
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| 16:55.53 | linkslice | deity seems like my best bet but looking at the archive doesn't appear to fit what I'm looking for :-/ |
| 16:56.24 | abrotman | !tell linkslice about simple sid backport |
| 16:57.18 | enouf | abrotman: 'ssb' also works now (less typing ;-)) |
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| 16:57.52 | abrotman | enouf: yay? |
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| 16:59.01 | linkslice | abrotman, yeah I've read that, and even successfully made 1 backport (and installed it even!), but my 2nd of 3 that I need to make is failing for some unknown reason |
| 16:59.12 | abrotman | errors? |
| 16:59.37 | linkslice | yeah, I'll post in pastebin gimme a sec... |
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| 17:00.17 | EtherNet | hello guys |
| 17:00.43 | EtherNet | someone is experiencing troubles when trying to install rhythmbox from apt-get ? it's has bad dependencies, and tries to remove gnome-session, gnome-pannel and other important stuff |
| 17:00.54 | chops | EtherNet: What version of Debian? |
| 17:01.01 | abrotman | EtherNet: show us your sources.list |
| 17:01.02 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:01.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:01.12 | chops | EtherNet: Also, why not aptitude instead of apt-get? |
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| 17:01.17 | EtherNet | abrotman, just a min |
| 17:01.42 | EtherNet | deb http://www.davidpashley.com/debian/irssi-sarge/ ./ |
| 17:01.43 | EtherNet | deb ftp://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
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| 17:01.45 | Cripps | <3 SSB |
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| 17:02.05 | Cripps | <3 apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 17:02.24 | blaamannz | Is there a command for getting the current display resolution ? |
| 17:02.31 | chops | blaamannz: xdpyinfo |
| 17:03.04 | chops | EtherNet: Sounds pretty par for the course for sid... try aptitude instead, or wait for the dependencies in the repository to get in better shape. |
| 17:03.12 | LeGreffi3R | blaamannz> xrandr |
| 17:03.24 | chops | EtherNet: Also, it looks like you've got a sarge irssi source in there; it's probably time to take that out :-) |
| 17:03.26 | Winkie | chops: i prefer xrandr |
| 17:03.27 | EtherNet | chops, okey, I'll doo then |
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| 17:03.29 | Winkie | oh damnit LeGreffi3R :D |
| 17:03.43 | LeGreffi3R | \o/ |
| 17:03.44 | EtherNet | chops, is it not working any longer? |
| 17:03.44 | LeGreffi3R | :) |
| 17:03.49 | blaamannz | ty |
| 17:03.54 | EtherNet | chops, oh sorry sarge.. lol |
| 17:05.13 | EtherNet | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.23 | EtherNet | I hate those errors... =( but I'll wait then |
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| 17:05.55 | stew | EtherNet: see what happens when you try "aptitude install rythmbox" |
| 17:06.08 | stew | oh |
| 17:06.38 | stew | this is probably rythmbox not being up to date with the gnome transition? |
| 17:06.44 | stew | EtherNet: have you checked the bts? |
| 17:06.53 | EtherNet | stew, I think that's the problem. |
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| 17:07.08 | EtherNet | it wants me to downgrade gnome from 2.20 to 2.14.. |
| 17:07.10 | stew | EtherNet: then check the bts and file a bug if there isn't already one |
| 17:07.51 | EtherNet | Stew cool, thanks |
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| 17:11.44 | darius12 | btw, e.g., If you are doing a chroot install over ssh, this practice of starting things the second they are installed could even lock you out! |
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| 17:12.03 | stew | darius12: how? |
| 17:12.22 | darius12 | by replacing the real ssh daemon |
| 17:12.36 | stew | darius12: how would the chroot ssh be able to stop the real ssh daemon? |
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| 17:12.46 | stew | darius12: and why would that matter? |
| 17:13.09 | stew | darius12: restarting ssh while you are connected via ssh does not affect your running ssh session? |
| 17:13.17 | drp | Is the aacraid driver included with the kernel image in the etch d-i kernel? |
| 17:13.30 | drp | if so, which version (or how can I find out)? |
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| 17:13.58 | stew | drp: yes, it is included. whatever version comes with 2.6.18 |
| 17:14.22 | drp | stew: okay becaue I have an Adaptec 31205 which d-i is NOT playing nice with |
| 17:14.33 | stew | drp: version: 1.1-5[2409]-mh2 |
| 17:14.41 | stew | drp: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:14.50 | darius12 | stew: indeed, you are right. I apologize for the misinformation. |
| 17:14.59 | drp | How can I tell if this card is supported by aacraid 1.1-5[2409]-mh2 |
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| 17:16.24 | stew | drp: check for the device/vendor id in /lib/modules/$version/modules.pcimap ; you can get the device/vendor ide from lspci -n |
| 17:16.32 | kombi | how do I divert root mail in exim? What's the equivalent to virtual_user_table in exim? |
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| 17:16.44 | Legality | Hi |
| 17:16.45 | stew | kombi: why not use /etc/aliases? |
| 17:16.50 | drp | stew: okay how do i get to a terminal without booting into d-i? I have a 4.0r3 netinst CD. |
| 17:16.52 | Legality | hey, how can I check the banned ips from iptables? |
| 17:16.56 | kombi | stew: you are so right.. |
| 17:17.05 | stew | kombi: (remember to run newaliases) |
| 17:17.15 | stew | Legality: "iptables -L -n" |
| 17:17.22 | kombi | stew: always..;) |
| 17:17.47 | Legality | weird |
| 17:17.51 | stew | drp: i'm not sure what that means, to get a terminal without booting |
| 17:18.26 | Legality | I'm having a weird network problem with only one client, for some reason he has some network blackouts with the server(tracert shows everything just fine, but the my server just isn't answering sometimes) |
| 17:18.42 | Legality | but the server is working normally, nothing weird in logs, load averages etc |
| 17:18.49 | Legality | and everyone else can access it normally |
| 17:19.10 | chops | Legality: Is that client's IP address duplicated by some other machine perhaps? |
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| 17:19.33 | chops | Legality: Or just a flaky network cable/card/whatever? Is that the only server that has difficulty communicating with that client? |
| 17:19.55 | Legality | not sure, theoretically it could be. same ip cant connect the server simuneltaously? |
| 17:20.04 | Legality | simuneltaos.. simune,, |
| 17:20.05 | Legality | haha |
| 17:20.14 | Legality | lol that's a hard word |
| 17:20.42 | Legality | chops: but the tracert shows that everything is normal until he tries to connect my server |
| 17:20.53 | Legality | or when his connection is towarded to my server from the last route |
| 17:20.56 | vinafera | Is there a way to get apt pinning to work like apt-get -t dist , so that it will grab dependencies from dist, or do they have to ALL be listed in /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 17:21.42 | chops | Legality: Two identical IP addresses on the same subnet will sort of work and sort of be totally broken. |
| 17:21.49 | stew | vinafera: which dists are you mixing? |
| 17:22.04 | vinafera | stew: etch and etch-backports |
| 17:22.21 | vinafera | stew: goal is xen-3.2 vs 3.0 |
| 17:22.22 | stew | vinafera: then you don't have to do anything with pinning, it should just work |
| 17:22.24 | Legality | chops: Is there a way I could check this from my box, if he has connected to it with identical ips? |
| 17:22.28 | chops | Legality: What exactly do you see from the tracert? Does it fail to connect, consistently, at the last hop? |
| 17:22.32 | stew | vinafera: or i'm misunderstanding |
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| 17:22.55 | chops | Legality: Hm, that was more of a guess if your server and his client were on the same ethernet segment. If you're in different locations I would not guess that that's the problem. |
| 17:22.55 | Legality | chops: the last hop fails to connect, others work just fine |
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| 17:23.12 | chops | Legality: Can you pastebin a tracert from his machine, and then from a different machine somewhere else? |
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| 17:24.41 | DANNX | hi all |
| 17:24.47 | Legality | chops, sure, one sec |
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| 17:25.26 | vinafera | backports are lower priority by default, I want to get xen-3.2, so I can do apt-get -t etch-backports install , or I could pin ... but I think that if I pin, I have to list each dependency ... if I do apt-get -t it grabs dependencies from backports as well |
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| 17:26.14 | brahman | afternoon, what the channel for testing? |
| 17:26.34 | abrotman | this one |
| 17:26.39 | stew | vinafera: you could just use the aptitude frontend to specify exactly what you want |
| 17:26.50 | brahman | abrotman: thx. |
| 17:26.53 | vinafera | stew: I see it now on the backports guide on pinning ... Then you have to set a higher priority for each backport, yes that means every backport, also for every dependency. ... I understand now |
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| 17:27.32 | Legality | chops: http://pastebin.com/d6eea7e70 |
| 17:27.46 | Legality | there is the tracert during the blackout and after that when its working normally |
| 17:28.20 | chops | Legality: Hmm... shot in the dark: Can you try disabling tcp_ecn on both your server and his machine? |
| 17:28.44 | chops | Legality: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn |
| 17:28.48 | brahman | Am having a probelm that has only recently occured, am using a 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller it has started crashing the box randomly... I have read around that it is common with this card and the sky2 module, but I am wondering why it has only started happening? any pointers? |
| 17:28.57 | chops | Legality: (His machine being the more important one to try) |
| 17:29.09 | chops | Legality: (But try doing it on both and then try the traceroute again) |
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| 17:29.32 | Legality | chops: his traceroute is working atm. The blackout happens only now and then |
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| 17:29.53 | chops | Legality: Are you sure that this is the only client who's having these problems? Maybe it's just that everyone else isn't complaining yet. |
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| 17:30.34 | Legality | chops: he has been experiencing these problems for some weeks now, havent got any other complaints and our pingers havent noticed anything either |
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| 17:30.50 | Legality | he has reported up to 20 min blackouts, our pingers ping the server every 5 min |
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| 17:31.28 | brahman | just got dc, not sure if anyone answered... |
| 17:31.28 | Legality | chops: I have tried to browse trough the servers sites but i have never had any probs there :/ |
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| 17:32.12 | chops | Legality: This looks like two traceroutes from his host (one working, one not)... can you get one from a different client? Also, I'd still give a shot to the tcp_ecn thing (even if it's just something you can eliminate) |
| 17:32.33 | Legality | one sec, I do a traceroute myself |
| 17:32.53 | Legality | ghah.. how can I copy/paste it from windows cmd? :> |
| 17:33.06 | Legality | and btw. chops, the last route before my box is the same for me, too |
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| 17:34.52 | Legality | chops: heres the traceroute from my own comp, http://pastebin.com/d22b04472 |
| 17:35.08 | linkslice | abrotman, here's the errors I'm getting: http://pastebin.com/m52fe4df |
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| 17:37.57 | abrotman | !find pango/libgvplugin_pango.la etch |
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| 17:38.24 | Legality | chops: lets be theoretical, lets say the connection problems are occurring to everyone connecting to that server. What could be the cause then? It's not my servers isp because the network problem occurs when connecting my box |
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| 17:39.17 | chops | Legality: Flaky network connection to your server, maybe? I've seen the switch or cable at the hosting facility turn flaky and cause intermittent problems like this... it doesn't sound too plausible, though, if your pinger isn't reporting problems. |
| 17:39.29 | chops | Legality: Has this always been a problem for this client, or is it a new development? |
| 17:39.30 | linkslice | abrotman, ??? |
| 17:39.50 | Legality | chops: I think it occurred the first time about 2 weeks ago |
| 17:39.55 | Legality | he has been a client for several months |
| 17:39.58 | abrotman | linkslice: either the .la needs to be provided by another package, or it should have been built |
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| 17:40.08 | chops | Legality: That's a strange problem |
| 17:40.11 | Legality | it is :> |
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| 17:40.33 | benkong2 | I have an apt-get install -f problem would someone mind looking here http://pastebin.ca/950546 and advise me on how to proceed? |
| 17:40.53 | Legality | I noticed that he had been using FTP, prolly during the blackouts.. I checked if he had been banned for example because of too many connections for a while, but couldnt see anything weird from iptables logs |
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| 17:41.30 | DANNX | hi all |
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| 17:42.12 | chops | Legality: Perhaps the symptoms are different with different protocols (which would point to a firewall misconfiguration or similar problem)? Maybe everyone's been having "blackouts" of the type of UDP packets that traceroute uses, but ICMP and TCP are unaffected (so your pinger and the other clients aren't noticing)? |
| 17:42.19 | chops | Legality: I'm sort of grasping at straws :-) |
| 17:42.31 | stew | benkong2: what version of debian is this? is it elive? |
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| 17:42.43 | stew | benkong2: oh, gutsy? |
| 17:42.46 | SexyKen | Anyone know how to get qmail to listen on 2 ports in debian? |
| 17:42.47 | benkong2 | errr |
| 17:43.03 | benkong2 | correct? |
| 17:43.15 | stew | benkong2: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu packages |
| 17:43.21 | benkong2 | stew: I tried deleting the file |
| 17:43.23 | linkslice | abrotman, hrmmm |
| 17:43.24 | benkong2 | ok |
| 17:43.26 | benkong2 | sorry |
| 17:43.40 | Legality | chops: also one notice... Accoring to this client, there had been a 20 min blackout one day, he could determine the time pretty acurately. I checked the apache access.log for one of my other client who has a pretty large site and it had entries during the time the client had the blackout |
| 17:44.16 | chops | Legality: Are you using virtual machines to host each client? Or is it a single system image? |
| 17:44.25 | Legality | single system |
| 17:44.31 | Legality | shared hosting |
| 17:44.35 | Legality | environment |
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| 17:44.50 | chops | Legality: Different IPs? |
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| 17:45.00 | Legality | no, same ips for all users |
| 17:46.00 | chops | Legality: You've stumped me. I would start a monitoring process that checks HTTP, traceroute, ICMP, and FTP reachability at frequent intervals, from that client's site and from a separate location, and keep logs of everything. Then when the next blackout hits this client go over the logs and see what jumps out at you. |
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| 17:46.57 | nux | what's the proper way to set a package to install from lenny instead of stable with the Default-Release "stable"; setup? |
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| 17:47.21 | nux | a lenny package im trying to install depends on some libs to be a higher version than stable |
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| 17:47.33 | chops | nux: You probably want a backport instead |
| 17:47.37 | Legality | chops: my ifconfig shows this on eth0 |
| 17:47.38 | Legality | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.50 | chops | Legality: Ah, that's interesting. |
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| 17:48.04 | Legality | that's quite a lot of errors, drops and overuns eh? |
| 17:48.16 | chops | Legality: Though not necessarily a problem I guess. It is a lot more errors than you should see. |
| 17:48.18 | iratik | Trying to figure why one of my shell scripts always has two instances running ..... tried to grep through etc to find all cron jobs matching "scraped" ... cd /etc/; grep -R scrap . comes back nothing ... but i know for a fact its in the root crontab -e |
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| 17:48.23 | iratik | where are those cron files!? |
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| 17:48.53 | stew | iratik: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 17:48.55 | Legality | this is my other box: RX packets:1145309175 errors:10 dropped:24 overruns:8 frame:0 |
| 17:49.06 | psycodad | Legality: those figures point to some problems in the physical layer |
| 17:49.06 | nux | chops: i did a search and didnt find haproxy in backports |
| 17:49.13 | chops | !ssb |
| 17:49.13 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 17:49.26 | Legality | psycodad: physical layer? hw-problems? |
| 17:49.38 | chops | Legality: Or cable problems, or switch problems |
| 17:49.46 | linkslice | abrotman, so which mailing list would you suggest for help on this? |
| 17:50.10 | abrotman | linkslice: there are other channels on irc.oftc.net that might help |
| 17:50.21 | psycodad | Legality: everything on the physical path from a badly seated pci card over badly linking cables to defective switch ports |
| 17:50.27 | jones- | Hello. Is there a Network Manager that doesn't depend on Gnome/KDE/whatever? |
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| 17:50.53 | psycodad | Legality: or bad setting in term of fd/hd etc |
| 17:51.10 | chops | jones-: nano /etc/network/interfaces has very few dependencies :-) |
| 17:51.14 | stiv2k | are there any good alternatives to squirrelmail? |
| 17:51.21 | Legality | could these errors be caused by faulty etc/network/interfaces settings? |
| 17:51.29 | chops | Legality: No. |
| 17:51.43 | Legality | hmmh.......... |
| 17:51.43 | psycodad | Legality: yes! |
| 17:51.49 | Legality | haha |
| 17:51.53 | jones- | chops: well yeah, bot it's for wireless. It's not handy to edit each time. |
| 17:51.53 | Legality | which one do I trust? |
| 17:51.57 | felix_da_catz | We have been having extended power outages here and my NFS server takes longer to startup than my other machines. So they are not able to connect properly. Is there something I can do to make them connect after the other machine becomes available? |
| 17:51.58 | psycodad | chops: think about full duples, half duplex mismatch |
| 17:52.19 | chops | Legality: Also, the fact that the problem appeared without any (known) configuration changes leans towards hardware failure as a possibility |
| 17:52.19 | psycodad | Legality: chops is generally right... |
| 17:52.31 | Legality | psycodad: I was thinking more like wrong broadcast address to the secondary ip etc :> |
| 17:52.38 | Legality | yea |
| 17:52.39 | chops | psycodad: If his ISP has set up his colo server with a half duplex switch, he's got bigger problems :-) |
| 17:52.40 | Legality | hmmh |
| 17:52.45 | psycodad | Legality: then chops is 100% right, no |
| 17:52.52 | Legality | damn |
| 17:53.05 | Legality | so prolly I have to ask my isp to change my nic-card and the cables |
| 17:53.37 | psycodad | chops: yeah right, but i've seen a lot of cases where autoneg went havoc between switch and card, worth to check. and sorry i haven't got the full story from beginning, i just plugged in at one point |
| 17:53.43 | chops | Legality: I would report exactly the problems you described (including the ifconfig output showing errors) and ask them to check the hardware; replacing the card might not be necessary |
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| 17:54.08 | chops | psycodad: Basically the story is "intermittent network outages of unknown exact nature" |
| 17:54.21 | Legality | chops: the change is not the problem, but the downtime... I guess even the hw-check causes a downtime for the server |
| 17:54.29 | chops | Legality: nod |
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| 17:54.48 | Legality | hmmh.. |
| 17:54.53 | psycodad | Legality: maybe its only badly connected rj45 jack... |
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| 17:55.07 | chops | Legality: That's why I recommend giving the hosting people the information and letting them determine how to troubleshoot (as opposed to just asking them to replace everything). If it's the cable (or, yeah, cable badly connected), it might be very easy to fix. |
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| 17:55.33 | chops | Legality: I'd still recommend setting up very detailed monitoring as I recommended earlier, in case it turns out to not be broken hardware (and instead a sometimes-misconfigured firewall or something) |
| 17:55.46 | chops | Legality: Or in case their first guess for what hardware is broken isn't correct |
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| 17:56.34 | Legality | chops: the problem is that I've got no idea how to setup the "very detailed" monitoring :/ |
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| 17:56.48 | psycodad | chops: i can't think of a firewall causing problems on the physical layer, despite maybe some collisions due to blocking the wrong thing and causing floods of retransmission |
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| 17:57.11 | S4nD3r | j/ #vi |
| 17:57.13 | S4nD3r | j/ #vim |
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| 17:58.44 | hans_5353 | hi |
| 17:59.05 | psycodad | Legality: the easiest thing is just running a ping to a nearby server (better no router) and see after an hour or so how many packets you lost. |
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| 17:59.57 | Legality | oki |
| 18:00.00 | Legality | pinging started |
| 18:00.09 | chops | Legality: (while true; do echo '*************'; date; echo '*************'; ping -c 5 ip.ip.ip.ip; traceroute ip.ip.ip.ip; nmap -p 20,80 ip.ip.ip.ip; echo; echo; echo; sleep 180) >& biglog |
| 18:00.27 | chops | Legality: Something like that is how I would do it. Just run that using nohup or screen. |
| 18:00.35 | hans_5353 | some squid experts here ? i have an problem with port redirecting from iptables |
| 18:00.44 | Legality | chops: I will try the ping first |
| 18:00.46 | chops | Er |
| 18:00.54 | chops | Legality: (while true; do echo '*************'; date; echo '*************'; ping -c 5 ip.ip.ip.ip; traceroute ip.ip.ip.ip; nmap -p 20,80 ip.ip.ip.ip; echo; echo; echo; sleep 180; done) >& biglog |
| 18:00.59 | Legality | I've got another server in the same dc which pings it all |
| 18:01.00 | chops | Legality: Forgot the "done" :-) |
| 18:01.04 | psycodad | Legality: well thats even much nicer what chops just quoted... gives you more detailed results and a log you can mail the isp guys |
| 18:01.21 | z-force | heh i have just installed sun-java6-jre |
| 18:01.32 | z-force | it wasn't shown in repository list |
| 18:01.34 | Legality | chops: ************ ? |
| 18:01.47 | chops | Legality: Yeah, but it would be nice to get an external perspective, and also to have some more detailed information ("See? The traceroute keeps starting to crap out at such-and-such a hop every time...") |
| 18:02.10 | chops | Legality: Just to have a clear indication in the log of what results go with what timestamp |
| 18:02.16 | Legality | ok |
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| 18:02.33 | chops | Legality: It's up to you, of course. You know what you want better than I do. :-) |
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| 18:02.58 | Legality | :) chops what does that command even do? How long the command will run etc? |
| 18:03.02 | z-force | so i typed '# dpkg -i sun-java6-bin_6-04-2_amd64.deb sun-java6-jre_6-04-2_all.deb' |
| 18:03.10 | abrotman | WHY?! |
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| 18:03.46 | chops | Legality: The command will run forever. It will ping and traceroute the server, and check http and ftp ports for reachability, and store the outputs of those commands (along with a timestamp) to a log file |
| 18:04.06 | chops | Legality: You can try it (replacing ip.ip.ip.ip with the appropriate hostname, of course), without the ">& biglog", to see what it'll do |
| 18:04.10 | chops | Legality: You may have to install nmap first |
| 18:04.22 | chops | Legality: It'll repeat the ping testing every 3 minutes or so |
| 18:04.32 | action09 | oy |
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| 18:05.06 | Legality | -bash: nmap: command not found |
| 18:05.09 | Legality | yea |
| 18:05.22 | abrotman | install? |
| 18:05.41 | Legality | ok |
| 18:05.44 | Legality | command running |
| 18:06.00 | Legality | every 3 mins? I gotta keep it running for a while then |
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| 18:06.24 | Legality | sleep 180 is the 3 mins? |
| 18:06.36 | chops | Legality: Well, yeah, that's what I'm thinking -- you can run it, leave it running, and then examine it later to see what downtime(s) may have occurred and how long they lasted |
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| 18:06.50 | Legality | ok |
| 18:07.13 | Legality | I'm not DOSsin myself down here am I :> |
| 18:07.28 | Legality | lousy joke |
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| 18:07.42 | chops | Legality: Nope. It's 5 ping packets (plus maybe one for the nmap), two SYN packets for the nmap, and the traceroute |
| 18:07.49 | Legality | anyways,,, im off then, time to let the comps handle the job now |
| 18:07.58 | chops | Legality: k |
| 18:08.01 | chops | Legality: Good luck |
| 18:08.02 | Legality | ok, chops thanks |
| 18:08.06 | chops | Legality: np |
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| 18:10.05 | z-force | is there any flatassembler deb package? |
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| 18:10.42 | chops | z-force: apt-cache search |
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| 18:13.37 | z-force | i have tried this and i even goo'gled in inet |
| 18:13.45 | z-force | but i found nothing |
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| 18:14.11 | z-force | so i think i would make a package myself |
| 18:14.33 | zamba | what is the md0_resync process doing? |
| 18:14.55 | zamba | syncing the raid? |
| 18:15.13 | felix_da_catz | Anyonek now how to get Monit to monitor a mounted directory and if it is not mounted get it to remount? |
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| 18:18.57 | jones- | Hey. I've got a Thinkpad T42 with an Intel 2200 wireless card, and I can't get it working. I loaded the right module, the right firmware, no errors in dmesg, but it doesn't associates. Can anyone help? |
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| 18:20.23 | stew | jones-: does it show up in 'iwconfig'? |
| 18:20.30 | yacc | jones-: iwconfig? |
| 18:20.31 | jones- | stew: yes |
| 18:20.51 | yacc | jones-: iwlist <devicename> scanning output? |
| 18:21.15 | jones- | http://rafb.net/p/ggQuEP58.html |
| 18:21.29 | jones- | yacc: iwlist scan finds correctly all the wireless networks around me |
| 18:21.40 | jones- | yacc: the output is regular, no need to paste it |
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| 18:24.57 | DASPRiD | hey, i want to put the apt database on a ramdisk, so it loads faster when doing some apt-get install, what's the best way to do it? (i've still mounted a 50mb ramdisk) |
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| 18:25.46 | stew | jones-: incorrect key? |
| 18:25.49 | chops | DASPRiD: That sounds unwise |
| 18:25.56 | jones- | stew: nope, I double checked |
| 18:26.08 | DASPRiD | chops, it does? |
| 18:26.16 | stew | jones-: and you are sure this key is hex based and not string based? |
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| 18:26.32 | jones- | stew: yes |
| 18:26.34 | chops | DASPRiD: Linux will cache files pretty effectively; devoting an explicit ramdisk to something that's not generally going to be used will probably be less effective than letting that RAM be used for other file caching in the much more common case that you _aren't_ currently doing apt operations |
| 18:26.48 | jones- | stew: dmesg or /var/log/messages show no errors, it's weird |
| 18:27.00 | DASPRiD | chops, i have 4 gb of ram, that's enough for anything |
| 18:27.17 | DASPRiD | but always when i do apt-get install |
| 18:27.23 | DASPRiD | it takes like 10 seconds to read the apt-database |
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| 18:28.14 | stew | jones-: it says channel 0? have you tried changing that? |
| 18:28.20 | AwesomeGuy` | whats the thing under there? |
| 18:28.23 | stew | now PE is going to be in my head |
| 18:28.40 | jones- | stew: I'll try |
| 18:28.48 | DASPRiD | chops, still bad idea? |
| 18:28.54 | chops | DASPRiD: Also, what happens if you forget to sync your apt database back to permanent storage before your machine gets shut down? If you're determined to do it, though, I guess you could copy the current contents of the apt database to the ramdisk (cp -a), move the apt database, and mount the ramdisk there. The apt database might be in /var/lib/apt (I'm not sure exactly where it is) |
| 18:28.59 | stew | AwesomeGuy`: you are going to have to ask a more specific question |
| 18:29.24 | AwesomeGuy` | there's something under there. |
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| 18:29.49 | stew | AwesomeGuy`: what are you talking about? |
| 18:29.49 | DASPRiD | chops, hm i guess it is in /var/cache/apt |
| 18:29.59 | AwesomeGuy` | it's right under there |
| 18:30.04 | DASPRiD | ? |
| 18:30.25 | yacc | DASPRiD: technically there are not that many benefits of RAM disks on Linux ;) |
| 18:30.25 | chops | DASPRiD: Hm, I thought that was more for the cached .deb files, but I could be wrong. |
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| 18:30.38 | DASPRiD | yacc? really? |
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| 18:31.24 | yacc | DASPRiD: Actually, I'd guess it's /var/lib/dpkg ;) |
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| 18:31.34 | adama | Hi everyone! I'm trying to install debian and I need to "load missing drivers from a driver floppy" - how can I do this with a USB key? I have no floppy |
| 18:31.34 | `duKe` | is there a tool like "rc-update (gentoo)" for debian? |
| 18:31.47 | yacc | DASPRiD: two things. |
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| 18:32.14 | stew | `duKe`: what does 'rc-update' do in gentoo? |
| 18:32.16 | yacc | DASPRiD: Does it take as long when you run apt a second time? If so it's processing time (as you have 4GB RAM so the files are still in the cache) |
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| 18:32.28 | ApOgEE- | busan |
| 18:32.38 | bc | how do I get this to stop telling me this and *not* do any upgrade? http://paste.debian.net/51525 |
| 18:32.47 | yacc | DASPRiD: and if it's faster, that's more or less the speedup you can expect from having it in a ramdisk. |
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| 18:33.21 | DASPRiD | afaik it takes the same time |
| 18:33.30 | yacc | DASPRiD: Basically, a ramdisk on Linux is kind of a device that lives in the page cache, without an underlying link to a device. |
| 18:33.52 | DASPRiD | hm page cache would be quite useless then |
| 18:33.58 | yacc | DASPRiD: so if you have enough RAM, the benefit of a ramdisk is practically nil. |
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| 18:34.11 | Mike1 | hey |
| 18:34.45 | yacc | DASPRiD: the benefit of a ramdisk in Linux is that you get a block device without external hardware => e.g. initrd support where userland tools can setup stuff before the real root device is mounted. |
| 18:35.02 | DASPRiD | yacc, mkay, thanks for the info then |
| 18:35.09 | yacc | DASPRiD: it's not like in certain other legacy OSes where using a ramdisk makes a differenc ;) |
| 18:35.19 | Mike1 | i'm searching a boot manager which isn't as sensitive to disk-changes as GRUB |
| 18:35.19 | DASPRiD | sad :) |
| 18:35.38 | abrotman | Mike1: you mean like moving them around? |
| 18:36.03 | Mike1 | abrotman: exactly |
| 18:36.15 | abrotman | Mike1: good luck .. grub is far more resilient than lilo |
| 18:36.16 | yacc | DASPRiD: Basically, Linux is quite agressive about caching stuff. And these kernel devel guys had now about a decade to tinker with the best way to cache stuff. I'm not saying that it's perfect, but it's not trivial to beat it ;) |
| 18:36.24 | abrotman | resiliant ? |
| 18:36.26 | abrotman | whichever |
| 18:36.40 | DASPRiD | yacc hehe |
| 18:37.18 | adama | Hi everyone! I'm trying to install debian and I need to "load missing drivers from a driver floppy" - how can I do this with a USB key? I have no floppy |
| 18:37.24 | yacc | OTOH, dpkg/apt is ...., well, it wouldn't be polite to say it on #debian ;) |
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| 18:37.45 | Mike1 | for example syslinux would be quite good, but is VFAT only :( |
| 18:38.14 | yacc | adama: do you have a shell prompt (press Alt-F2/Alt-F3 or if you are in graphical mode ctrl-alt-f2 and so on to look for a prompt) |
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| 18:38.36 | adama | I have a shell prompt, I mounted the usb key |
| 18:38.48 | adama | but don't know how to point the installer at it |
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| 18:39.20 | yacc | Mike1: you can usually boot with grub even if the harddisc moved to a completely different logical place => grub knows quite a bit about filesystems/devices. |
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| 18:39.36 | yacc | Mike1: but you might need to manually specify the new device names, ... |
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| 18:40.13 | yacc | adama: hmmm, you could try to load the driver via insmod yourself? |
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| 18:40.46 | viller | how can I make things in /etc/init.d not start up |
| 18:40.55 | viller | on boot |
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| 18:41.19 | yacc | Mike1: actually, if you go for a LVM based setup, you are mostly done, GRUB should usually get your kernel running with the initrd, and the initrd revers after that to your logical volume names, which are the same, no matter if the PV is on hda or an USB device ;) |
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| 18:41.30 | Mike1 | viller: you have to delete the links in /etc/rc*.d |
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| 18:42.23 | abrotman | viller: update-rc.d |
| 18:42.50 | adama | yes, use update-rc.d |
| 18:42.53 | `duKe` | ö<stew> `duKe`: what does 'rc-update' do in gentoo? << add programs to be autostarted at the start of the system |
| 18:42.54 | Mike1 | viller: but it's easier with "rcconf" |
| 18:43.01 | adama | yacc: I'll try insmod |
| 18:43.02 | yacc | Mike1: Alternatively you could try to lookup the right root device by some signature inside the initrd. |
| 18:43.22 | Mike1 | yacc: let's see if the problem occurs this time |
| 18:43.24 | abrotman | adama: use modprobe |
| 18:43.37 | Mike1 | yacc: i'm going to install Debian at USB flash drive |
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| 18:43.54 | Mike1 | yacc: last time i had problems with GRUB |
| 18:44.05 | stew | `duKe`: have a look at update-rc.d or rcconf |
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| 18:45.45 | EtherNet | another question... I am running gnome which uses ESD daemon audio server, I am tring to get applications to play sound like mplayer, vlc, xmms, and so on... xmms is the only which works alright, the other sounds crappy, like the buffer is so small.. any idea? |
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| 18:46.14 | stew | EtherNet: why not ditch esd? |
| 18:47.15 | EtherNet | Stew, what do you mean? |
| 18:47.20 | `duKe` | example how to use update-rc.d? |
| 18:47.34 | yacc | Mike1: that's more a specific of the fun of booting of USB, which is still BIOS specific ;( |
| 18:47.47 | viller | where can I get update-rc.d? |
| 18:47.51 | viller | package name please |
| 18:48.10 | Mike1 | viller: rcconf is easier |
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| 18:48.18 | stew | EtherNet: why are you using ESD at all? |
| 18:48.31 | EtherNet | stew 'cause it was the default installed by Debian. |
| 18:48.32 | `duKe` | viller: on debian lenny it is already preinstalled |
| 18:48.55 | stew | viller: viller update-rc.d is on every debian install, from either the sysv-rc or file-rc pacakges |
| 18:49.14 | DANNX | hello |
| 18:49.25 | stew | EtherNet: i'd suggest not using it unless you require some feature specific to ESD |
| 18:50.03 | EtherNet | stew which one do you recommend for gnome environment and the others applications I specified before |
| 18:50.11 | stew | EtherNet: none |
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| 18:50.19 | stew | EtherNet: i recommend not using a sound deamon |
| 18:50.25 | EtherNet | stew /dev/dsp |
| 18:50.31 | stew | EtherNet: what about it? |
| 18:50.44 | EtherNet | stew play directly on device /dev/dsp without any daemon |
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| 18:50.56 | viller | how do I run update-rc.d then? When I type it in the CLI nothing happens |
| 18:51.15 | stew | EtherNet: yes, for applications not aware of alsa |
| 18:51.27 | zeitsofas | wünscht allen einen schönen Abend | bye @ all and nice evening *winks* |
| 18:51.27 | stew | viller: "man update-rc.d" will explain its usage |
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| 18:51.38 | GuilhermeBrant | Any suggestions of a C/C++ IDE for debian? |
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| 18:51.55 | Greek-Boy | hi. I am trying to make a debian etch box forward IP packets as it is the gateway into another network but I can only reach the box and its gateway on the other network, nothing beyond that. I did both echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1. Any ideas? |
| 18:51.57 | stew | this is one tons of people suggest vi and emacs |
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| 18:52.38 | GuilhermeBrant | I didn't like vi and emacs,because of the sheel-like interface....I mean,in vim I can't select a string with the cursor and delete/copy it |
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| 18:52.53 | GuilhermeBrant | I have to manually set the cursor there using the arrow keys |
| 18:53.07 | Absolute1 | How do I get back my nick if my irc client crashed before and is now supposedly used? |
| 18:53.12 | abrotman | you could learn vi shortcut commands |
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| 18:53.17 | abrotman | Absolute1: /msg nickserv help |
| 18:53.24 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: do you want a GUI IDE ? |
| 18:53.36 | GuilhermeBrant | abrotman : yes |
| 18:53.45 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: for example "dw" will delete a whole word in vi/vim |
| 18:53.48 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: try Anjuta |
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| 18:54.17 | GuilhermeBrant | abrotman I just saw a comment about anjuta,I'll try it |
| 18:54.36 | opensrcguru | Greek-Boy: start by logging all dropped packes via iptables. usually iptables is the culprit. one might eve try flushing ALL iptables rules to test. |
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| 18:54.58 | viller | stew: where is the script or wtf I have to do to run it? Man describes its usage but I can't even run it |
| 18:55.17 | adama | viller: you have to be root |
| 18:55.23 | stew | viller: are you tring to run it as root? or as a regular user? |
| 18:56.09 | viller | thanks |
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| 18:56.16 | adama | e.g update-rc.d -f ntp remove |
| 18:56.36 | adama | to remove the ntp daemon from startup |
| 18:57.12 | Justin | why would you do that instead of just uninstalling ntp? |
| 18:57.48 | viller | I wanted to make apache and mysql not start on boot because I only use them for testing websites and I don't always need them |
| 18:57.56 | EtherNet | stew yeah man!! ALSA WORKS now! |
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| 18:59.02 | adama | that kind of reason... ntp is a bad example |
| 18:59.02 | Nuke_ | is there a package-clean way of getting PHP5 PECL modules installed? |
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| 18:59.02 | adama | shortest thing I saw in ls /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:59.02 | Justin | yeah, most people don't want their clocks synced only some of the time :) |
| 18:59.02 | adama | hehe |
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| 19:00.03 | FordCortina | how would you go about finding out which revision a debian package comes from in its given upstream VCS? |
| 19:00.32 | stew | FordCortina: i'd first hope that they are tagging their releases |
| 19:00.48 | yacc | FordCortina: you don't. The debian version number embeds the version number of the upstream package, but these are usually not really connected to the VCS. |
| 19:01.26 | stew | FordCortina: check the VCS logs to see if they tag when they release (which they should) |
| 19:01.28 | FordCortina | thanks... i forgot about the tags |
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| 19:04.09 | yacc | FordCortina: Well, each VCS calls and handles tags slightly different ;) |
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| 19:04.21 | GuilhermeBrant | abrotman : thanks,this is what I was looking for |
| 19:04.47 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: but vi/vim is way more fun! |
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| 19:06.20 | GuilhermeBrant | abrotman : hehe I really don't like that cursor.I used gui editors all my life |
| 19:06.37 | valdyn | !gui |
| 19:06.42 | valdyn | mm |
| 19:06.47 | valdyn | !test |
| 19:07.20 | stew | failed |
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| 19:08.43 | yacc | Why would one want to use a GUI editor? *wonder* |
| 19:08.55 | yacc | wonders if all GUI editors are like Eclipse, ... |
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| 19:09.09 | yacc | turtle like slow, ... |
| 19:09.28 | FordCortina | interesting this app doesn't seem to have a tag for the version in debian :S |
| 19:09.43 | yacc | OTOH, enterprise developers like them. Update a SVN workspace, and voila, you can go fetch a coffee and chat ;) |
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| 19:09.58 | FordCortina | the only tag for gnome-launc-box in it's VCS is 0.1, but version in debian is 0.2 |
| 19:10.06 | FordCortina | gnome-launch-box* |
| 19:10.09 | GuilhermeBrant | Why would one want not to use a GUI editor? |
| 19:10.38 | Justin | GuilhermeBrant: because you're editing text, not pretty pictures |
| 19:10.56 | stew | GuilhermeBrant: they are slower, less powerful and less featureful, and often requiring me to take my hands off the keyboard |
| 19:11.04 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: remote systems? |
| 19:11.25 | FordCortina | they just didnt tag their last release heh |
| 19:11.43 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: if you had to do a mass search/replace in a file on a remote system, how would you do it with your GUI editor? |
| 19:11.54 | stew | FordCortina: estimate by comparing commit dates and release date? |
| 19:12.22 | GuilhermeBrant | abrotman : how would I do it with vim? |
| 19:12.32 | stew | FordCortina: email the author(s)? |
| 19:12.45 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: :1,$ s/search/replace/g |
| 19:12.57 | FordCortina | stew: i might |
| 19:13.18 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: that's probably fewer keystrokes than it is mouse clicks for you :) |
| 19:13.21 | stew | GuilhermeBrant: exactly the same way as if you were running vim on your local machine, which is his point. with a gui you are probably going to have to copy the file back and forth from the remote system |
| 19:13.49 | stew | abrotman: even fewer if you s/:1,$/%/ |
| 19:14.08 | GuilhermeBrant | nice,didn't know that....still,that's not the case...I don't even know what you're talking about. |
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| 19:14.44 | stew | those three clauses are in conflict |
| 19:14.46 | GuilhermeBrant | my point here is to get a nice environment to learn C,in which I could freely edit my texts |
| 19:15.11 | GuilhermeBrant | and easily compile/launch my programs in order to test their output |
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| 19:17.43 | abrotman | stew: yes, but that's a bit more confusing for a vim newcomer |
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| 19:18.01 | abrotman | !vim tutorial |
| 19:18.06 | adama | how do I 'modprobe' my NIC driver from a USB stick during the debian install |
| 19:18.07 | stew | everything is confusing when you are a vim newcomer |
| 19:18.07 | abrotman | !vi tutorial |
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| 19:18.11 | dpkg | from memory, vi tutorial is at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 19:18.11 | abrotman | bah .. give |
| 19:18.11 | stew | !vimtutor |
| 19:18.16 | dpkg | [vimtutor] check /usr/share/doc/nvi/vi.{beginner,advanced}.gz for a much better alternative |
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| 19:18.28 | abrotman | stew: well .. the basic stuff is easy .. yy,dd etc |
| 19:18.40 | Skaag | any idea how I generate unix times in the shell? |
| 19:18.49 | Skaag | such as 1202351086 |
| 19:18.54 | abrotman | and that's usually enough to be at least competent |
| 19:18.58 | abrotman | Skaag: man date |
| 19:19.04 | stew | Skaag: the current time? |
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| 19:19.26 | Skaag | well I need yesterday to be exact... i'll check date' man page... the --help option did not yield too much info |
| 19:19.41 | Skaag | I'm using ext3grep to try and recover a large number of files and directories that were deleted today |
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| 19:19.52 | abrotman | date +'%s' .. like that ? |
| 19:19.54 | Skaag | by the way if you guys don't know what ext3grep is, I seriously recommend reading about it :-) |
| 19:20.04 | Greek-Boy | opensrcguru where does iptables log by default? |
| 19:20.12 | Skaag | very useful if you were stupid enough (like me) not to keep a fresh backup of something important :-) |
| 19:20.16 | Skaag | abrotman: yah |
| 19:20.17 | Skaag | thanks |
| 19:20.27 | abrotman | Skaag: man date next time :) |
| 19:20.38 | Skaag | yah that works |
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| 19:20.40 | abrotman | i think unix seconds is even one of the samples |
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| 19:21.10 | cloakable | abrotman: That's almost as bad as man mount :P |
| 19:21.22 | abrotman | okay |
| 19:22.07 | adama | how do I 'modprobe' my NIC driver from a USB stick during the debian install, I've successfully done the modprobe command but it still won't work |
| 19:22.18 | romano2k | good evening everyone! |
| 19:22.42 | romano2k | i have an issue that i can't understand on my testing home server |
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| 19:23.08 | Greek-Boy | opensrcguru: my iptables rulesets are empty. /var/log/syslog doesn't show anything. /var/log/kern.log |
| 19:23.13 | romano2k | apache, proftpd, courier-imap are launched properly but won't respond |
| 19:23.32 | romano2k | i kinda don't know how to diagnose or solve this issue |
| 19:23.34 | romano2k | any help? |
| 19:23.54 | abrotman | can you telnet to the ports? like 80 or 143 ? |
| 19:23.58 | abrotman | or 21 |
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| 19:24.20 | romano2k | in fact the server does not respond when i'm using his hostname, but he responds when i use his ip address |
| 19:24.45 | chops | romano2k: Almost the only thing that can be is busted DNS |
| 19:24.47 | Justin | romano2k: what hostname would that be? |
| 19:24.57 | chops | romano2k: What's the hostname, and what's the IP? |
| 19:25.07 | valdyn | romano2k: that is not the server but your domain name resolving not working properly |
| 19:25.11 | romano2k | the server is on my LAN |
| 19:25.31 | romano2k | clients are running Windows XP |
| 19:25.34 | chops | romano2k: If you run 'ping' on the hostname, it'll tell you what IP it's using |
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| 19:25.53 | smxy | Why is it that when I got install most software, it goes straight to the apt repos for it, but when I want to install openssh-server it insists on asking for cdrom #3 (which I don't have)? |
| 19:25.57 | chops | romano2k: ... which is probably different from the IP you're using when you test that way |
| 19:26.00 | romano2k | hostname is 'shtak.fr', external IP 81.57.247.130 and internal IP 10.0.0.1 |
| 19:26.06 | smxy | go* to* install |
| 19:26.13 | chops | smxy: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the cdrom lines |
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| 19:26.24 | chops | smxy: Then rerun 'aptitude update' |
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| 19:26.30 | romano2k | can you reach http://www.shtak.fr from the outside? |
| 19:26.38 | smxy | Ok, but why does it not just go to the apt repos like when I wish to install other softwarre? |
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| 19:26.52 | chops | smxy: Because you've configured sources.list to tell it that you have CDs, which it then prefers |
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| 19:27.09 | chops | smxy: (Or someone has. In any case, apt is doing exactly what it's configured to do.) |
| 19:27.09 | smxy | No. I simply installed the system. I told it nothing. :) |
| 19:27.12 | stew | romano2k: yes |
| 19:27.25 | romano2k | then what's wrong? |
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| 19:27.28 | romano2k | bind? |
| 19:27.40 | chops | smxy: That hostname works for me. It's possible that 10.0.0.1 works from the internal network, but not 81.57.247.130. |
| 19:27.44 | smxy | if it prefers CDs, they why does it usually NOT ask for a CD? |
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| 19:27.52 | abrotman | smxy: comment out the CD sources if you don't wnat to use them |
| 19:27.57 | chops | smxy: Because those packages aren't on the CD? |
| 19:28.07 | smxy | ah |
| 19:28.14 | romano2k | i had an issue with dns', i solved it editing my dhcpd conf |
| 19:28.15 | smxy | New Debian user, btw. |
| 19:28.22 | smxy | Mostly a RH guy. |
| 19:28.22 | chops | smxy: No worries |
| 19:28.25 | romano2k | i safe-upgraded 2 days ago |
| 19:29.16 | stew | smxy: what is the cdrom line from /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:29.23 | valdyn | romano2k: and that host you are serving your website from is totally unprotected? |
| 19:29.32 | romano2k | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 19:30.13 | valdyn | romano2k: i can use your proxy to see www.debian.org |
| 19:30.24 | smxy | I commented it out as suggested and now openssh-server installs from remote as desired. Thank you. |
| 19:30.32 | chops | smxy: np |
| 19:30.34 | romano2k | valdyn: my proxy? |
| 19:30.39 | valdyn | romano2k: now im not going to try your windows shares |
| 19:30.44 | valdyn | romano2k: shtak.fr |
| 19:31.02 | romano2k | valdyn: do you mean you would be able to access my windows shares? |
| 19:31.13 | romano2k | or at least list them? |
| 19:31.16 | valdyn | romano2k: probably |
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| 19:31.36 | valdyn | romano2k: i said im not trying, operating a public proxy unintentionally is bad enough |
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| 19:32.00 | romano2k | valdyn: i didn't set up this intentionnaly |
| 19:32.01 | stew | s/unintentionally// |
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| 19:32.24 | romano2k | how can i disable it? |
| 19:32.38 | valdyn | oh, actually i would operate a public proxy if i could help people |
| 19:32.42 | valdyn | but i dont. |
| 19:33.07 | valdyn | romano2k: who set up that debian box of yours? |
| 19:33.10 | ApOgEE- | going offline... bye all |
| 19:33.13 | romano2k | valdyn: myself |
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| 19:33.42 | azeem | ApOgEE-: please turn off noisy away |
| 19:33.48 | valdyn | romano2k: at least install a firewall that does basics automagically |
| 19:34.01 | romano2k | valdyn: i'd rather turn off this proxy |
| 19:34.03 | valdyn | romano2k: but even better, remove your proxy |
| 19:34.07 | valdyn | romano2k: and samba |
| 19:34.16 | valdyn | romano2k: and whatever else you got there listening on the internet |
| 19:34.47 | romano2k | valdyn: since i didn't new i had a proxy running, i don't know how to remove it |
| 19:35.04 | romano2k | valdyn: i'll try to make samba listen only on the internal interface asap |
| 19:35.58 | valdyn | romano2k: see the output of "netstat -plunt" about anything you see listed there is accessible for everyone |
| 19:36.14 | valdyn | romano2k: and in case of your proxy not protected by anything |
| 19:36.57 | romano2k | valdyn: what does acts as a proxy in all these things? |
| 19:37.21 | valdyn | romano2k: no idea, doesnt look like squid |
| 19:37.31 | valdyn | romano2k: i dont know your network setup |
| 19:37.43 | itchi | valdyn: Not yet ;-) |
| 19:37.44 | valdyn | romano2k: i dont want to analyse it in public either |
| 19:37.51 | romano2k | hmm |
| 19:38.00 | romano2k | valdyn: then what should i do? |
| 19:38.01 | chops | romano2k: Rather than looking for single things to remove (the proxy in this case), it's better to go ever every listening service, learn what it is if you don't know, and remove it unless you want it |
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| 19:38.02 | romano2k | :/ |
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| 19:38.11 | chops | *go over every listening service |
| 19:38.33 | romano2k | chops: i know what my services are doing |
| 19:38.45 | romano2k | i'm running intentionnaly 99% of them |
| 19:38.50 | valdyn | romano2k: you probably have port forwading and stuff like that so there could be more than 1 computer involved. |
| 19:39.03 | Throat | can I use something like x11vnc to get access to an already started X session? Or can any of the other not-vnc-like X-proxy solutions do that? |
| 19:39.30 | romano2k | i don't know what's the aim of "portmap", what is "master" (listening on tcp 25) |
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| 19:41.20 | romano2k | stew/chops: should i remove portmap or reconfigure it? i'd rather remove if it's not needed |
| 19:41.30 | chops | (3:39:52 PM) chops: romano2k: portmap is not needed unless something else has it as a dependency, try to remove it and see if apt complains :-) |
| 19:41.51 | romano2k | chops: then stew said something different, just asking for confirmation :) |
| 19:41.59 | valdyn | i would guess that his fam pulled his portmap |
| 19:42.16 | Throat | uh, fam |
| 19:42.19 | romano2k | it seems that there was no depandency, i removed it |
| 19:42.30 | techouse | i get an error durring boot saying "unable to set system clock"... how do i fix this? i fix it in gnome every time but at every reboot it goes back to the wrong time (-1 hour) |
| 19:42.37 | Throat | probably something like kde uses fam |
| 19:42.38 | chops | techouse: ntpdate |
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| 19:42.57 | jetscreamer | or dpkg-reconfigure tzconfig maybe .. or is it tzdata now |
| 19:42.58 | romano2k | Throat: it's a little server, i'm not using X |
| 19:43.04 | chops | techouse: Or possibly fix your timezone |
| 19:43.15 | stew | romano2k: removing it is fine |
| 19:43.23 | romano2k | what about that "proxy" thing? i really don't know how to remove/disable it |
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| 19:43.37 | romano2k | never installed anything in the aim of activating a proxy |
| 19:43.38 | techouse | i use gmt for a quick fix (although i live in cet) |
| 19:43.39 | chops | portmap gets installed in plenty of my installs for no sensible reason that I can see :-/ |
| 19:43.43 | valdyn | romano2k: its not a completely open proxy, i dont know what it is but you can check for yourself |
| 19:43.51 | techouse | but it's just till i get somehting working |
| 19:43.53 | valdyn | romano2k: use netstat -plunt, check whats on your port 8080 |
| 19:44.00 | stew | chops: probably because of fam |
| 19:44.04 | romano2k | valdyn: it's "sabnzbd" |
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| 19:44.22 | stew | chops: if you use gnome and therefore have gnomevfs, you get fam and therefore portmap |
| 19:44.23 | chops | techouse: Well, there's your problem right there :-). If your timezone's wrong, fix your timezone; if your time's wrong, fix your time. If you have the one problem and fix the other, you'll... well, you'll still have problems :-) |
| 19:44.24 | Tramp | valdyn: it's his apache, answering proxy requests with a canned 404 but not actually relaying, as far as i see it |
| 19:44.27 | chops | stew: nod |
| 19:44.31 | valdyn | romano2k: and wth is that? |
| 19:44.42 | romano2k | valdyn: i'm using it everyday |
| 19:44.49 | romano2k | it's a usenet binary grabber |
| 19:44.53 | valdyn | romano2k: i see |
| 19:44.54 | Justin | romano2k: hellanzb is probably better |
| 19:45.10 | romano2k | Justin: having a look, never heard about it |
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| 19:45.10 | Throat | techouse, also, for your bios-clock, look at 'hwclock' |
| 19:45.26 | techouse | the bios clock is correct |
| 19:45.39 | Throat | well, anyone for what I asked above? |
| 19:45.45 | brett | Hey, I'm trying to run Twitux, and I keep getting an error from gnome-keyring-daemon when logging in |
| 19:45.52 | brett | 'missing dialog response from ask tool' |
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| 19:45.54 | romano2k | Justin: is hellanzb still supported? (because sabnzbd isn't) |
| 19:45.59 | Justin | romano2k: yeah |
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| 19:46.02 | romano2k | great! |
| 19:46.04 | t0mb0y | how do i go from lenny to sid? if i change all my lenny keywords to sid in sources.list im getting 404 errors, does security.debian.org not have any pkgs for sid ? |
| 19:46.23 | valdyn | t0mb0y: right |
| 19:46.55 | Throat | techouse, ntpdate uses the internet to set the clock... if you boot/run without internet sometimes, hwclock sets your system time from the bios. you could have a look at it to check if you have some misconceptions about bios time :) |
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| 19:47.19 | streuner | t0mb0y: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 19:48.04 | Throat | techouse, also, the normal mode of operation for linux is, that your bios system clock runs independent of summer/winter time - but there is a 'compatibility mode' to change that (because windows on a 2nd partition could change the bios time) |
| 19:48.06 | techouse | huh?! |
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| 19:48.06 | romano2k | valdyn: so "sabnzbd" is acting as a proxy? |
| 19:48.06 | techouse | memi@Satellite:~$ sudo hwclock |
| 19:48.06 | techouse | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 19:48.13 | valdyn | romano2k: no, not really |
| 19:49.06 | t0mb0y | streuner: i know, thx. just wasnt sure about that security source list ;x tryin to get elisa to work on this epia px pico-itx board. |
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| 19:50.52 | techouse | memi@Satellite:~$ sudo ntpdate |
| 19:50.52 | techouse | 20 Mar 20:50:37 ntpdate[7148]: no servers can be used, exiting |
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| 19:51.29 | romano2k | valdyn: can you find out what is acting as a proxy? |
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| 19:52.17 | romano2k | because i really can't figure it out |
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| 19:53.30 | crackintosh | can i rsync / |
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| 19:53.45 | crackintosh | with a remotely mounted smb |
| 19:54.03 | romano2k | any help about this security problem? |
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| 19:54.04 | ttf | hi.. when using /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends to install the build-depends - is there a way get a confirmation before pbuilder installs all the packages? |
| 19:54.08 | opensrcguru | does anyone know what this scsi error means? (scsi1:A:3:0): parity error detected in Data-in phase. SEQADDR(0x6f) SCSIRATE(0xc2) CRC Value Mismatch |
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| 19:54.40 | crackintosh | actually, not rsync. |
| 19:55.08 | ttf | crackintosh: should work - but you won't be able to keep all the FS thingies (permissions, and probably others) you have now |
| 19:55.09 | Throat | opensrcguru, no, but... it's an easy guess? |
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| 19:55.21 | bush | hm |
| 19:55.33 | ttf | crackintosh: you will also have to include you smb volume among other directories from the sync |
| 19:55.34 | opensrcguru | Throat: damn dell boxes |
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| 19:55.51 | crackintosh | ttf: you mean exclude i presume |
| 19:56.05 | ttf | crackintosh: right :) |
| 19:56.51 | ttf | crackintosh: in case you want to reinstall from the sync later - pretty much impossible if you filesystem is not a unix filesystem |
| 19:57.03 | crackintosh | but now that i think about it, i dont think i can do rsync.do it |
| 19:57.20 | crackintosh | wouldnt rsync require that i have a remote host? I am trying to backup to an smb, a fat32 smb at that. |
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| 19:57.34 | crackintosh | perhaps ill just use tar |
| 19:57.44 | ttf | crackintosh: no - rsync will also work locally |
| 19:58.05 | crackintosh | ttf: does it have specific filesystem requirements? |
| 19:58.13 | crackintosh | because ill be on fat32 |
| 19:58.16 | ttf | crackintosh: rsync? no |
| 19:58.19 | romano2k | i still can not access my server with his hostname, what should i do? |
| 19:58.36 | ttf | crackintosh: you will have to set or exclude some sync options. |
| 19:58.54 | crackintosh | ttf: yeah im aware. |
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| 19:59.06 | ttf | crackintosh: don't use rsync's -a option - set your options manually |
| 19:59.11 | stew | romano2k: what ip address is retunred when you run "nslookup hostname" from a machine that cannot access? |
| 19:59.18 | ttf | crackintosh: and don't forget to copy devices and hardlinks |
| 19:59.34 | ttf | crackintosh: exclude /proc, /sys and proably others |
| 19:59.49 | romano2k | stew: i guess i should replace 'hostname' by the actual hostname ? |
| 19:59.56 | ttf | crackintosh: I have to go - or do you have another question? |
| 19:59.58 | stew | romano2k: yes |
| 20:00.27 | crackintosh | ttf: nope, i should be good |
| 20:00.37 | ttf | crackintosh: good luck :) |
| 20:00.40 | stew | crackintosh: note that fat32 doens't have the concept of permissions or ownership, so if you are backing up to fat32, all that will be lost |
| 20:00.47 | ttf | bye all |
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| 20:00.52 | crackintosh | stew: exactly! |
| 20:00.58 | romano2k | stew: where should i paste the result? |
| 20:01.09 | stew | romano2k: just tell us the ip address |
| 20:01.15 | stew | romano2k: or did it not resolve? |
| 20:01.19 | romano2k | it resolved |
| 20:01.31 | crackintosh | stew: I was wondering why he kept telling me to backup using rsync to a fat32 drive, i didnt think it would work. I think im going to stick with tar |
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| 20:02.04 | crackintosh | where are the smb mounts located in the file system for debian? |
| 20:02.13 | crackintosh | i looked in mnt, didnt see anything |
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| 20:03.55 | stew | crackintosh: check /etc/fstab |
| 20:04.30 | romano2k | stew: any idea? |
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| 20:04.46 | stew | romano2k: what is the ip address? |
| 20:05.26 | romano2k | 81.57.247.130 |
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| 20:05.30 | Justin | valdyn: how did you use his system as a proxy? |
| 20:05.38 | Justin | valdyn: was it port 80 or something else? |
| 20:05.54 | romano2k | Justin: are you trying to launch a spam attack from my server? :D |
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| 20:06.08 | Tramp | romano2k: there is no proxy. It's your "sabnzbd" web-interface listening on 8080. Your security problem is, that everybody can access the login-page (and see the username/password promt). You should bind sabnzbd to the internal interface, unless the public access is wanted (i.e. it is a service you offer) |
| 20:06.16 | Justin | romano2k: trying to figure out what proxy server he was talking about |
| 20:06.23 | stew | romano2k: so it works when they go to "http://81.57.247.130" but not when you go to "http://shtak.fr" |
| 20:06.44 | romano2k | stew: exactly! |
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| 20:07.06 | stew | this doesn't sound like a debian related problem |
| 20:07.16 | romano2k | Tramp: i'm using sabnzbd from the outside |
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| 20:07.20 | abrotman | 36 minutes later ... |
| 20:07.26 | romano2k | Tramp: so is it a security issue or not? |
| 20:07.31 | stew | romano2k: all of the clients are windows? |
| 20:07.34 | raz | hmm.. is there a way to make rpc.statd and rpc.mountd bind to an interface of my choice only? i really don't need them listening on my external if! |
| 20:07.43 | Tramp | romano2k: ok. Then this is the expected behaviour. - no, unless valdyn sees something I don't. |
| 20:07.49 | abrotman | raz: do you need them at all ? |
| 20:08.02 | Justin | raz: /etc/hosts.deny is the usual method for that kind of thing, or just use iptables |
| 20:08.03 | raz | abrotman, setting up a FAI server, so yes.:) |
| 20:08.12 | romano2k | stew: yes they are. actually i can reboot the computer from which i'm talking to you under debian |
| 20:08.15 | raz | Justin, i'd prefer to have them not bind the wrong ifs in first place.. not possible? |
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| 20:08.22 | Eulex | Justin, isn't inetd the normal ways? |
| 20:08.23 | bravvve | hi |
| 20:08.26 | Eulex | *way |
| 20:08.31 | romano2k | valdyn: what about Tramp just "discovered"? |
| 20:09.12 | bravvve | so i wan to make my eclipse(java environement) french,how can i do this? |
| 20:09.17 | Justin | raz: rpc.statd doesn't seem to have an option for that |
| 20:09.48 | raz | Justin, that sucks pretty hard :( |
| 20:10.19 | Justin | raz: hosts.deny, iptables :) |
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| 20:10.57 | romano2k | stew: can you help? sorry for disturbing you, if i do |
| 20:11.01 | raz | Justin, many layers, all of which could fial |
| 20:11.14 | bravvve | so i wan to make my eclipse(java environement) french,how can i do this? |
| 20:11.29 | stew | romano2k: this is the wrong channel for help with windows |
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| 20:11.30 | Justin | raz: well, hosts.deny is pretty dependable I think |
| 20:11.36 | stew | raz: http://wiki.debian.org/?SecuringNFS |
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| 20:12.24 | Eulex | bravvve, try installing eclipse-nls |
| 20:12.45 | Greek-Boy | how can I list POSTROUTING entries in iptables? iptables --list doesn't show it. |
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| 20:12.47 | romano2k | stew: how is it related to windows? |
| 20:12.56 | romano2k | i have the same issue from my Mac OS X computer |
| 20:12.57 | stew | romano2k: what does it have to do with debian? |
| 20:13.05 | stew | romano2k: do you have the issue from debian? |
| 20:13.12 | stew | Greek-Boy: iptables -t nat |
| 20:13.25 | bravvve | i do not know if the sdk or the rcp |
| 20:13.26 | romano2k | stew: didn't tried but i guess, i mean the issue is covering my whole LAN |
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| 20:14.22 | bravvve | Eulex:i do not know if the sdk or the rc |
| 20:14.22 | stew | Greek-Boy: the default is -t filter, which is just INPUT,OUTPUT,FORWARD |
| 20:14.34 | Eulex | bravvve, sorry, I don't understand |
| 20:15.05 | Greek-Boy | thank you |
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| 20:15.40 | bravvve | how can i poste some thing to you Eulex |
| 20:15.54 | Eulex | !tell bravvve about pastebin |
| 20:15.54 | Greek-Boy | is iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.230.8 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE the correct way to enable NAT just for one IP address? How can I go a step further and add a source mac address to that to make it more secure? |
| 20:16.01 | romano2k | stew: i'm sorry, i said something wrong, it IS related to my computer |
| 20:16.14 | romano2k | since all the others reach the server using the hostanme |
| 20:16.21 | romano2k | thank you for your help, everyone! |
| 20:16.24 | stew | romano2k: what os is your computer running? |
| 20:16.35 | bravvve | Eulex:take a look there http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/L-3.2.1_Language_Packs-200609210945/index.php |
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| 20:16.43 | romano2k | stew: Windows XP Professional SP2 |
| 20:16.46 | stew | ... |
| 20:17.05 | Eulex | bravvve, umh, those exist as debian packages |
| 20:17.06 | stew | romano2k: this is the wrong channel for help with winodws xp |
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| 20:17.27 | romano2k | stew: i know that, i thought the issue was coming from my server |
| 20:17.38 | bravvve | Eulex:where |
| 20:17.46 | stew | romano2k: we havn't seen any problem with your server, your server is seeminly serving up the web pages just fine |
| 20:17.49 | Eulex | !tell bravvve about search |
| 20:18.16 | romano2k | fine, thank you stew |
| 20:18.28 | romano2k | stew: what's your opinion about my "proxy" issue? |
| 20:18.37 | valdyn | romano2k: you dont have one |
| 20:18.48 | valdyn | romano2k: it was my mistake, browser just showed cached stuff |
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| 20:18.59 | romano2k | valdyn: thanks for the fear :D |
| 20:19.10 | romano2k | valdyn: kidding, i could remove portmap thanks to you! :p |
| 20:19.33 | Tramp | romano2k: but nevertheless: Do as he said and check, that you have no unnecessary listeners on the external interface |
| 20:19.58 | bravvve | i have anothere problem ,i can't change langage from arabic to onthere using Ctrl+Alt+K Ander KDE |
| 20:19.58 | romano2k | Tramp: i did it, i'm aware of what is running and why |
| 20:20.02 | romano2k | and i need all of them |
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| 20:20.24 | Tramp | romano2k: or, even better, put it behind a firewall. If it has two interfaces and gets compromised, your internal network is in danger. Your setup is generally dangerous. |
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| 20:21.12 | romano2k | Tramp: i'll have a look at that asap |
| 20:21.30 | romano2k | Tramp: i can setup a firewall using iptables, right? |
| 20:21.57 | Tramp | romano2k: well, let's say an advanced packet filter - yes. |
| 20:22.54 | romano2k | :) |
| 20:23.19 | bravvve | i have problem ,i can't change langage from arabic to onthere using Ctrl+Alt+K Ander KDE |
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| 20:23.55 | opensrcguru | anyone know of a terminal emulator that can be split into quadrants within one window? |
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| 20:24.39 | chops | opensrcguru: emacs |
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| 20:24.48 | opensrcguru | arrgh. |
| 20:24.53 | romano2k | thank you Tramp, valdyn, stew and the others helping me |
| 20:25.25 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.41 | opensrcguru | chops: looks like it may be time to learn how to use emacs. thanks. |
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| 20:26.50 | chops | opensrcguru: Start emacs. Press Esc, x, type "shell", enter to open a shell. |
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| 20:27.12 | chops | Ctrl-x 2 splits into two horizontally, Ctrl-x 3 splits into two vertically |
| 20:27.35 | chops | To get a new shell buffer, Press Esc, x, type "rename-buffer", hit enter, type something or other, hit enter |
| 20:27.44 | stew | though if you need a more fully functional term (for stuff like curses), you'll want "term" or "ansi-term" instead of shell |
| 20:27.46 | chops | Then you can do Esc-x shell again |
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| 20:27.57 | chops | opensrcguru: Yes, you will have to learn a bit about emacs :-) |
| 20:28.30 | romano2k | Sememmon |
| 20:28.33 | romano2k | oops |
| 20:28.41 | opensrcguru | i've been successful at putting it off for about 6 years now....by by vim, ehlo emacs. |
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| 20:28.46 | romano2k | valdyn: just checked my /etc/samba/smb.conf: |
| 20:28.47 | romano2k | interfaces = 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 20:28.47 | romano2k | bind interfaces only = true |
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| 20:30.44 | valdyn | romano2k: i only relay what nmap shows me, that's what matters anyway, i dont know samba configuration |
| 20:32.15 | opensrcguru | chops: wow. thats nice. |
| 20:32.29 | chops | opensrcguru: emacs is pretty badass sometimes |
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| 20:32.44 | opensrcguru | scratches head and wonders why i hadn't taken the plung many moons ago |
| 20:33.00 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:34.29 | yoyi | hola |
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| 20:35.51 | Anthro | Is there a commandline tool that will give an accurate size (actual disk space used) for a sparse file? |
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| 20:37.30 | Justin | Anthro: du? ls? |
| 20:38.06 | Anthro | Justin: I believe those give the size of the file including the empty areas. |
| 20:38.12 | Justin | Anthro: I don't think so |
| 20:38.14 | azeem | du doesn#t |
| 20:38.18 | azeem | ls wil |
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| 20:39.12 | Justin | azeem: not with the -s option |
| 20:39.28 | azeem | you didn't talk about the -s option |
| 20:39.39 | Anthro | Okay, thanks. |
| 20:39.47 | Justin | he didn't ask for the option, he asked for the tool :-P |
| 20:40.05 | Anthro | *sigh* |
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| 20:40.17 | Ryan52 | I need rails 2.0.2 on an etch machine...what is the best way to do that? |
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| 20:42.35 | Ryan52 | I tried to install it using rubygems from etch but it did not work. |
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| 20:42.59 | azeem | Ryan52: check backports.org |
| 20:43.38 | Ryan52 | but then other sysadmins might upgrade which might brake something... |
| 20:43.42 | Ryan52 | will just use lenny...... |
| 20:43.46 | Ryan52 | of a backport... |
| 20:43.54 | azeem | Ryan52: hrm? |
| 20:43.57 | Ryan52 | nvm |
| 20:44.19 | azeem | do you have more sysadmins who think rubygems are a good idea? |
| 20:45.10 | Ryan52 | its fine...I'll just use a backport |
| 20:45.24 | stew | Ryan52: lenny is not a good idea if security matters. since it isn't on backports.org, you should try backporting it yourself, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 20:46.15 | Ryan52 | thanks |
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| 20:47.53 | george | hi.. |
| 20:48.05 | george | i have a problema with my debian |
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| 20:48.55 | Maulkin | !ask |
| 20:48.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:48.55 | george | when i'm starting the X server my display is going black |
| 20:50.10 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:54.53 | gp5st | where can I find a good tutorial on udev or automount (I want to amke usb keys and Ipods mount when plugged in) |
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| 20:56.42 | yigal | what a nice day |
| 20:56.50 | stew | gp5st: /msg dpkg automount |
| 20:56.52 | sander_m | Hello. Does anyone here have experience with vim (gtk/gnome) and netrw? I can't make netrw connect to my server. I never get asked for a password. I already installed ssh-askpass (and -gnome) but that doesn't help either. |
| 20:57.00 | benbread | Hey i have a hard drive suffering massive failure and am trying to run the debian (business card) install disk to see what i can do in terms work working out what has happened, problem is the disk wont even run properly just constantly complains about the messed up drive - is there a command i can give debian to ignore this? |
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| 20:57.29 | yigal | sander_m: you can normally ssh in to where ever your trying to use vim? |
| 20:57.29 | petemc | benbread: you would be better with another cd that has dd_rescue or something |
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| 20:57.45 | gp5st | and what about gim and gtk? |
| 20:57.54 | benbread | petemc: any ideas of a suitable cd? |
| 20:57.58 | gp5st | vim is normaly a cmdline program |
| 20:58.08 | gp5st | knoppix or puppy are very nice CD's ben |
| 20:58.17 | gp5st | damn small, too |
| 20:58.19 | sander_m | yigal: You mean, run the terminal version of vim inside the ssh shell? |
| 20:58.22 | gp5st | is also good |
| 20:58.35 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.51 | yigal | sander_m: no I mean connect to the server without vim |
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| 20:58.58 | benbread | gp5st: so there is no way i can just have debian installer ignore the error? |
| 20:59.33 | Justin | sander_m: vim scp://host/.vimrc |
| 20:59.36 | gp5st | ben: i thought u said the hard disk was failing, i guess i assumed you wanted to get files from it |
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| 20:59.57 | sander_m | yigal: I don't want to do that. I want to use my local vim-gnome (gvim). With other editors I usually open various files from various servers at the same time. |
| 21:00.05 | gp5st | ben: I'm not 100% sure how to force an install to a bad disk, if that's what you want to do (read: wipe what is on the disk now, too) |
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| 21:00.35 | Justin | benbread: what is complaining? |
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| 21:01.04 | yigal | sander_m: right, so you can get a connection to the server your interested in but not use vim to edit files, yes? |
| 21:01.42 | sander_m | Justin: There is .vimrc on the remote server. Should there be? As I said, I'd like to use my local gvim (package vim-gnome) instead |
| 21:01.50 | benbread | justin: DeviceReady SeekComplete Error |
| 21:02.02 | Justin | sander_m: gvim scp://host/whatever |
| 21:02.03 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 21:02.12 | sander_m | yigal: Yes, I can ssh into the server allright. I just can't do it from inside gvim |
| 21:02.15 | Justin | benbread: and you can't get to a shell ? |
| 21:02.17 | Ace2016 | how do i access the xorg of another computer in a virtual window on mine? |
| 21:02.26 | Ace2016 | kind of like desktop sharing but with xorgs if you know what i mean |
| 21:02.33 | yigal | sander_m: you should be able to do, :e scp://server/path/to/file |
| 21:02.43 | gp5st | justin, ben: the buisiness card cd done'st have a shell i thought, it was just an installer |
| 21:02.44 | benbread | justin: aha it's working now just took a long time |
| 21:02.56 | Justin | gp5st: the installer has a shell |
| 21:03.05 | Justin | benbread: your drive is in pretty bad shape :) |
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| 21:03.17 | Justin | benbread: should use something like dd_rescue to get the data off of it |
| 21:03.19 | gp5st | justin: i didn't know that, haha, thanks |
| 21:03.40 | benbread | justin: can it read ntfs? |
| 21:03.52 | Ace2016 | Remote login with xorg? is it possible? |
| 21:04.04 | Justin | benbread: dd rescue will image the drive, it doesn't care about partition types |
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| 21:04.15 | Justin | Ace2016: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:04.26 | yigal | sander_m: do you have a different account name on the server you are trying to edit a file in? |
| 21:04.48 | Ace2016 | look at the xorg on my desktop, i can't keep switching from my laptop to my desktop constantly |
| 21:05.01 | Justin | Ace2016: you running gnome on your desktop? |
| 21:05.12 | Ace2016 | kde on both systems |
| 21:05.22 | sander_m | yigal&Justin: no. Strange thing: executing "gvim scp://whatever" works. Opening gvim and entering ":e scp://whatever" does not. |
| 21:05.25 | Justin | Ace2016: krfb then |
| 21:05.36 | Tramp | !x11vnc |
| 21:05.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, x11vnc is a vnc server for displaying the running x session, or http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 21:05.44 | yigal | sander_m: what about vim? |
| 21:05.51 | yigal | sander_m: does it work with vim? |
| 21:06.15 | n3kl | I want to do a network discovery, find out what devices are where and such and be able to compile a report. What are some tools I could use to do this? |
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| 21:07.04 | Justin | n3kl: nmap |
| 21:07.23 | sander_m | yigal: Yes. vim asks for my password at the bottom of my screen. gvim does not ask for my password. |
| 21:07.26 | n3kl | I am pretty familiar with nmap, but what other tools |
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| 21:08.05 | yigal | sander_m: I will check it out, I'm using lenny though so probably different versions |
| 21:08.21 | Tramp | n3kl: what exactly do you want to know, that nmap doesn't cover? |
| 21:09.05 | sander_m | yigal: Thanks. I already found some mention of ssh-askpass somewhere (in a gentoo forum). I installed that, but that didn't resolve anything either. |
| 21:09.52 | stew | sander_m: try #vim maybe? |
| 21:10.11 | benbread | Oh my debian installer can't even detect hardware |
| 21:10.25 | sander_m | stew: What do you mean? running vim as root in a terminal? |
| 21:10.46 | stew | sander_m: i mean try asking your questions in the #vim channel |
| 21:10.54 | sander_m | Ah :-) |
| 21:11.13 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.43 | n3kl | Tramp: I have used a program like newview, which has a chops replacement, nessus does a pretty good job, and there is one called newt that does an inventory of software, but I don't know what kind of tools there are for that kind of thing |
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| 21:12.19 | yigal | sander_m: yes, I'm not having luck on this side - I never use gvim so it doesn't bother me, but it doesn't work |
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| 21:13.07 | Justin | sander_m: just setup key authentication, problem solved |
| 21:13.22 | micols | how do i downgrade to debian etch from testing? i tried apt pinning |
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| 21:13.30 | abrotman | micols: cannot |
| 21:13.33 | sander_m | yigal: I'll go file a bug on vim-gui-common. I think it's missing a dependency or something |
| 21:13.46 | benbread | Debian says Unable to read partition table - will i be able to recover data without a partition tablw? |
| 21:14.22 | micols | i have done it from testing to sarge before |
| 21:14.26 | yigal | benbread: wow, I would like to know that - sounds bad but I know nothing about this issue |
| 21:14.28 | micols | with much hard work |
| 21:14.37 | micols | so i thought it would be possible by pinning |
| 21:14.39 | stew | micols: /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 21:14.41 | sander_m | Justin: Far too much work. I could spend hours installing keys on all the places I need to get in :-) |
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| 21:14.51 | stew | micols: its not possible by pinning alone, its possible with lots of tedious work, maybe |
| 21:15.11 | n3kl | It would also be nice to know what versions of the OS is running. |
| 21:15.18 | abrotman | micols: sorry, yes we tell people you cannot .. but you can. It will just take way longer than you want :) |
| 21:15.22 | Ace2016 | what vnc viewer would you recommend? |
| 21:15.46 | Ace2016 | preferably something based in qt so it'll look nice, but gtk/gnome apps are ok too |
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| 21:16.42 | abrotman | Ace2016: apt-cache search vnc .. |
| 21:16.52 | Ace2016 | i did that, i'm in synaptic |
| 21:17.08 | abrotman | okay .. so try them all .. have fun! |
| 21:17.22 | Ace2016 | what? common someone must have use one |
| 21:17.23 | Tramp | n3kl: nmap can guess (and is pretty good at it). For commercial products, ##security may be a good place to ask. I'm not aware of OSS inventory scanners. For vulns in general, there is not much I know of besides nessus. |
| 21:17.25 | micols | yes i thought about installing freebsd only because im tired of all those dependency problems always with debian, been running it for 4 years continiously now on server,laptop,workstation |
| 21:17.43 | abrotman | micols: you don't have dependency issues if you use stable |
| 21:17.48 | gp5st | would anyone be able to tell me where i can find a dbus tutorial? I'm trying to have usb keys and ipods automount, this is a bare debain install im on |
| 21:17.48 | micols | and my system just got totally screwed by upgrading to testing on both laptop and workstation. |
| 21:18.08 | abrotman | gp5st: is it really debian this time? |
| 21:18.10 | stew | micols: screwed how? |
| 21:18.13 | micols | yeah i know abrotman , but i like gimp , rox-filer etc. in testing |
| 21:18.15 | gp5st | yes |
| 21:18.21 | gp5st | i was on another computer last night |
| 21:18.25 | abrotman | gp5st: swear on Dr Suess? |
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| 21:18.27 | jetscreamer | you didn't read the factoid probably |
| 21:18.28 | abrotman | Seuss |
| 21:18.34 | gp5st | this is a bare debian install with xfce4 as the em/desktopmanager |
| 21:18.36 | jetscreamer | !etch->lenny |
| 21:18.36 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs> and <release notes>, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 21:18.46 | abrotman | !dbus |
| 21:18.46 | dpkg | i heard dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus |
| 21:18.48 | stew | micols: we'd recommend trying a backport first instead of upgrading the entire system to testing |
| 21:18.54 | micols | lots of stuff got screwed, my synaptics touchpad .. and it removed a bunch of packages., also xorg crashes everytime i start my opengl image viewer as the nvidia kernel module got screwed |
| 21:19.04 | micols | had to reinstall it, but gcc got changed too from 4.1 to 4.2 |
| 21:19.11 | micols | so couldnt reinstall nvidia easily either :) |
| 21:19.14 | jetscreamer | doesn't understand how all these things get afu'd, they seem to just work here |
| 21:19.21 | stew | micols: what is wrong with the synaptics touchpad? |
| 21:19.32 | gp5st | yes, i've been to that page and saw the tutorial |
| 21:19.35 | micols | it just keeps clicking and going forth/back on webpages |
| 21:19.40 | micols | unless i run qsynaptics. |
| 21:19.42 | maligor | micols, used the nvidia .run installer? |
| 21:19.45 | gp5st | but I can't gleem how to set it up |
| 21:19.50 | micols | perhaps a bad dell laptop/synaptics driver for it |
| 21:19.58 | micols | havnt had the issue on other laptops but this one |
| 21:20.06 | stew | micols: you installed a dell synaaptics driver? |
| 21:20.17 | micols | but when i run qsynaptics and define the interval etc it works better, but not more than 80% or so |
| 21:20.22 | n3kl | Tramp: well, thanks for the insight. |
| 21:20.30 | micols | each time i type i have to wait a few secs for touchpad to work i.e. :) |
| 21:20.37 | gp5st | i mean, it's quite possible that is not how it is done to automount a usb drive, and if so, i'm more than willing to be pushed in the right direction |
| 21:20.41 | stew | micols: you could set the parameters you need for synaptics in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:20.45 | micols | and still clicking when touching it |
| 21:20.50 | jetscreamer | !autofs |
| 21:20.50 | dpkg | i heard autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s |
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| 21:21.09 | Tramp | n3kl: for opinions on commercial products, the archives of the securityfocus pen-test ML may be helpful |
| 21:21.11 | micols | i think i tried it stew, but i dont really remember, might try it when i reinstall debian :) |
| 21:21.19 | benbread | Pah i give up |
| 21:21.24 | stew | micols: what is wrong with gcc 4.2? |
| 21:21.45 | micols | i need same gcc version as the kernel to compile nvidia driver, dont want to recompile my kernel after upgrading to testing :) |
| 21:21.53 | micols | thats annoying :) |
| 21:21.56 | stew | micols: the lenny kernel was compiled with gcc 4.2 |
| 21:22.02 | micols | i use my own kernel |
| 21:22.16 | jetscreamer | benbread: you might want to use a full on livecd |
| 21:22.20 | micols | optimized for my slow laptop |
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| 21:22.25 | stew | micols: aptitude install gcc-4.1 |
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| 21:22.47 | micols | gcc-4.1 is already the newest version. i tried that stew :) |
| 21:22.52 | benbread | jetscreamer: i can't see the use of that if the hard drive seems to be totally stopping linux from booting |
| 21:22.53 | jetscreamer | micols: no you don't |
| 21:23.01 | micols | still the nvidia installer refuses |
| 21:23.03 | jetscreamer | it's an ignoreable error usually |
| 21:23.04 | wols_ | micols: then use the 4.1 one when compiling |
| 21:23.08 | benbread | plus with no partition table i don't really fancy grepping through everything to restore my files :P |
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| 21:23.28 | stew | micols: have nvidia use gcc 4.1 instead of gcc 4.2 |
| 21:23.33 | wols_ | jetscreamer: errors by gcc are kinda hard to ignore: no object file then |
| 21:23.40 | micols | also i could probably easily fix it, either by recompiling or removing 4.2 completely |
| 21:23.54 | stew | jetscreamer: 'invalid module format' when running modprobe isn't ignorable |
| 21:23.55 | micols | but im probably gonna reinstall since no way to change back to etch complely |
| 21:23.56 | gp5st | thanks |
| 21:24.15 | chops | benbread: (Just stepping in, haven't read earlier) if you know your partition parameters it's possible to remake the partition and then open the filesystem as normal (making or deleting a partition doesn't modify any data in that location on the disk, it just marks that location on the disk as accessible via /dev/sda1 or whatever) |
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| 21:24.24 | micols | i tried that dpkg msg tip in aptitude just before, didnt sort it out unfortunately |
| 21:24.57 | stew | micols: which tip? |
| 21:25.03 | micols | downgrade tip |
| 21:25.15 | jetscreamer | doesn't care enough to mention the factoid... |
| 21:25.15 | stew | micols: you couldn't possible have completed that yet, it should take you quite a while to do |
| 21:25.17 | RaceKondition | how do I tell apt-get to install mysql-query-browser 5.0 r6? apt-get install mysql-query-browser=5.0 doesn't even work |
| 21:25.18 | jetscreamer | !nvrun |
| 21:25.18 | dpkg | For a quick nvidia-installer how-to, try http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt Please note that #debian does not support the nvidia-installer, ask for assistance in #nvidia , if need be. |
| 21:25.30 | micols | i only have a base-install stew |
| 21:25.35 | benbread | chops: The whole thing seems like a lost cause, i get a whole load of read errors and the MBR appears to be corrupt |
| 21:25.36 | micols | and xorg :) |
| 21:25.41 | chops | benbread: :-( |
| 21:25.57 | stew | micols: you would have to manually select a version for hundreds of pacakges |
| 21:26.00 | abrotman | RaceKondition: i don't believe that's even packaged |
| 21:26.02 | chops | benbread: You can try dding the data off the disk ignoring errors and play games with fsck and forensic tools... but better to restore from backups |
| 21:26.04 | stew | micols: so i can't imagine you've already done it |
| 21:26.10 | benbread | chops: It's almost like someones taken a screwdriver to the thing :P |
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| 21:26.43 | micols | oh, well, then i did something else i guess :) |
| 21:26.58 | RaceKondition | abrotman: it is.. at least in Ubuntu.. |
| 21:26.58 | micols | if thats the only possible action, id rather reinstall anyway |
| 21:27.01 | jetscreamer | eats more microsoft food |
| 21:27.05 | RaceKondition | and actually in Debian as well, just veryfied |
| 21:27.15 | chops | RaceKondition: sid has 5.0 already. What are you trying to do? |
| 21:27.37 | RaceKondition | chops: the latest release is broken, r6 is the last one that is OK |
| 21:28.01 | chops | RaceKondition: You can change to testing and install allowing downgrades if the testing version is okay for you |
| 21:28.06 | chops | RaceKondition: Or go to snapshots |
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| 21:28.26 | micols | stew: i couldnt find any dell synaptics driver on google when i searched for it |
| 21:28.33 | micols | neither on their homepage |
| 21:28.35 | chops | RaceKondition: But 'sid' only refers to a point in time (not a point and all previous releases) -- if you haven't modifed your sources.list, you won't be able to install an older-than-sid version of it by typing a single aptitude command |
| 21:28.39 | chops | RaceKondition: Make sense? |
| 21:28.40 | stew | micols: i don't know of one |
| 21:28.48 | lymeca | stew: I got the etch-custom-0215.iso from kmuto with 2.6.24, but d-i is still not finding my raid card. DO I have to call aacraid on the boot prompt? |
| 21:28.49 | stew | micols: you were suggesting you had installed one |
| 21:28.49 | micols | ok, you just asked if i used it |
| 21:28.49 | RaceKondition | chops: yeah.. but I'm on Ubuntu |
| 21:28.56 | micols | i use the xorg one |
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| 21:28.58 | chops | RaceKondition: Oh, well then ask them for help. |
| 21:29.11 | stew | RaceKondition: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 21:29.15 | RaceKondition | yeah. sorry |
| 21:29.29 | micols | and it messes up completely, cant fix it 100%, not even with qsynaptics which can edit all settings it seems. |
| 21:29.30 | RaceKondition | the question was actually about apt-get.. but nvm |
| 21:29.35 | stew | lymeca: i don't know. try alt-f2 to get to a promt, and "modprobe aacraid" |
| 21:29.39 | micols | it only gets to work about 80% or so |
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| 21:29.43 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 21:29.43 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 21:29.48 | stew | micols: what only work about 80% or so? |
| 21:29.49 | micols | sometimes it will click if i tap it while typing |
| 21:29.53 | micols | or go back in browser. |
| 21:30.03 | stew | micols: but you don't actually want help with this, right? |
| 21:30.05 | micols | i have disabled tapping, but it still does it |
| 21:30.08 | benbread | I think i'll just give up on the machine :| |
| 21:30.18 | jetscreamer | hd |
| 21:30.20 | chops | RaceKondition: Plenty of non-Debian systems have apt-get. I gave you an answer which works on Debian which doesn't work on Ubuntu... which is exactly why you should ask for help from your _actual_ vendor :-/ |
| 21:30.34 | micols | could be fun if someone else had the same issue.. long time since ive used other laptops with synaptics on linux |
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| 21:30.46 | RaceKondition | yeah, ok, chops |
| 21:30.48 | grand_grunt | Hum.. got a strange trouble with OpenOffice Writer |
| 21:31.05 | stew | micols: if you want help with this, show us your xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:31.09 | streuner_ | grand_grunt: unstable? just check BTS |
| 21:31.16 | grand_grunt | no. Etch. |
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| 21:31.31 | streuner_ | raises his eyebrow |
| 21:31.46 | grand_grunt | With unstable, I would have understand.. |
| 21:32.07 | jetscreamer | finishes the microsoft granola bars, and starts in on the microsoft apple, to be followed by the microsoft ozarka water |
| 21:32.08 | grand_grunt | streuner_: It can't convert to xhtml |
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| 21:32.39 | grand_grunt | I wanted to use something else than PDF, that is not really free. |
| 21:33.02 | micols | stew: http://www.fys.ku.dk/~micols/xorg.conf |
| 21:33.03 | maligor | it isn't? |
| 21:33.12 | maligor | you could try that microsoft reader format :P |
| 21:33.14 | chops | grand_grunt: What's non-free about it? |
| 21:33.45 | micols | hm.. nvidia installer just changed it, i had emulate3buttons off before.. but i think this is the only thing it changed. |
| 21:33.59 | micols | off = false |
| 21:34.03 | grand_grunt | Specifications depend on Adobe.. When I see a PDF, I think about Flash. |
| 21:34.15 | stew | micols: Option MaxTapTime" "0" will disable tapping |
| 21:34.16 | jetscreamer | DefaultDepth 16 |
| 21:34.17 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.28 | maligor | grand_grunt, so? you can download the specification document |
| 21:34.35 | stew | micols: afaik, running the invidia installer is strongly discouraged |
| 21:34.53 | maligor | grand_grunt, do you also avoid the TIFF image format?-) |
| 21:34.54 | micols | my laptop wont work with 24bit .. perhaps buggy nvidia driver or my graphics card is too slow for 1600x1200 24bit.. works in windows (32bit) however |
| 21:34.55 | chops | grand_grunt: There are a lot of formats whose specifications are maintained by private companies... |
| 21:35.12 | grand_grunt | maligor: Yes.. but they can change them if they want. And, for example, include binaries or DRM |
| 21:35.26 | chops | grand_grunt: If Openoffice doesn't support xhtml and you'd like it to, it's probably best to talk to upstream and let them know you'd like the feature. |
| 21:35.27 | micols | if i try 24bit it takes 100% cpu and 10seconds to show a 5Mpix image on screen, even in 800x600, it takes 1sec in 16bit |
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| 21:35.38 | micols | also games run much slower.. 1fps vs 160fps :) |
| 21:35.39 | chops | grand_grunt: They do include DRM. xpdf even honors it last I checked. |
| 21:35.43 | grand_grunt | Then, anyone would still use PDF, with Adobe Windows tools |
| 21:35.44 | jetscreamer | so is it a touchpad or a trackpoint |
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| 21:35.59 | micols | i did not have these issues in windows, and i can only find -one- driver for my geforce2go chipset |
| 21:36.11 | micols | its the legacy one. |
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| 21:36.17 | dokma | hi guys |
| 21:36.26 | dokma | trying to setup spamassassin on my debian box |
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| 21:36.39 | maligor | grand_grunt, aside from the microsoft reader format, there really isn't any good alternatives |
| 21:36.43 | dokma | port 783 is said to be closed from the machine itself as reported by nmap |
| 21:36.45 | lymeca | stew: module aacraid not found |
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| 21:36.56 | dokma | but from outside its reported as closed |
| 21:36.58 | grand_grunt | maligor: I never use TIFF. PNG roxes, and that's all. And all my music is in OGG, not MP3. The matter is not my choices, but a OpenOffice bug. |
| 21:37.04 | chops | grand_grunt: Nonetheless I think you're likely to be better off using PDF than wishing for software that doesn't exist yet :-) |
| 21:37.20 | dokma | even though I allowed the ip in the spamassassin settings |
| 21:37.22 | chops | grand_grunt: Is the bug that it doesn't _work_, or that it doesn't include the feature? |
| 21:37.23 | suwro | hello |
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| 21:37.28 | dokma | what to look for ? |
| 21:37.31 | maligor | PDF is a fantastic end format for network distribution |
| 21:37.32 | grand_grunt | chops: xhtml is a good way to save files for present works, no? |
| 21:37.49 | jetscreamer | micols: this one right? ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/96.43.05 |
| 21:37.49 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.51 | micols | http://ruby.rlogin.org/diske any ideas why i get this shitty performance on two compaq 18.2GB 10k disks in raid1 ? , i expect one-disk write performance which should be at least 25-30MB/s theyre about 70% filled |
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| 21:38.16 | micols | theyre connected externally in an external storage array |
| 21:38.33 | lymeca | stew: does this mean it's not on the netinst cd at all? |
| 21:38.39 | aurax | anyone here uses jsvc? |
| 21:38.42 | lymeca | or do I need to specify loading the module at boot? |
| 21:38.46 | micols | nvidia-installer: version 1.0.7 (buildmeister@builder3) Wed Sep 5 19:29:16 2007 |
| 21:38.49 | suwro | if i use dd to dump a 100 GB partition to a file, will that file have 100GB or just the size of data kept there? |
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| 21:39.00 | wols_ | suwro: 100GB |
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| 21:39.28 | jetscreamer | that's the installer not the driver, it would seem |
| 21:39.33 | suwro | wols_: it is possible zero to be forced to 0 ?? |
| 21:39.34 | grand_grunt | Does somebody knows a way to "debug" OpenOffice? When I launch it in console, it is not verbose at all. No way to see where the error comes from |
| 21:39.40 | micols | yeah, cant run it right now as i run Xorg right now jetscreamer |
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| 21:40.14 | wols_ | suwro: zero is always 0 |
| 21:40.24 | Ace2016 | wols_: is it possible to watch videos over vnc? |
| 21:40.29 | suwro | grand_grunt: i think you need to install openoffice.org-dbg |
| 21:40.55 | wols_ | Ace2016: not really |
| 21:40.58 | grand_grunt | suwro: Thx |
| 21:40.59 | jetscreamer | micols: ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx* should show you |
| 21:41.00 | suwro | ace20016: I did it - but it is going slow like 5 frames per second |
| 21:41.10 | suwro | or less |
| 21:41.11 | grand_grunt | I didn't know they where debug packets.. |
| 21:41.11 | jetscreamer | or just glxinfo |
| 21:41.15 | grand_grunt | there* |
| 21:41.21 | micols | jetscreamer: 96.43.01 |
| 21:41.47 | micols | i tried a lot of drivers, this was the only one which worked for this laptop and geforce2go chipset |
| 21:41.58 | Ace2016 | yup, mplayer barely starts, do you think its because i'm using the wireless |
| 21:42.00 | jetscreamer | .05 'should' |
| 21:42.18 | micols | hm okay, ill write it down for upgrade time, thanks :) |
| 21:42.18 | benbread | grand_grunt: can you do something like -v? |
| 21:42.32 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 21:42.35 | wols_ | Ace2016: vlc |
| 21:42.36 | jetscreamer | synaptics |
| 21:43.00 | Ace2016 | vlc? |
| 21:43.09 | raz0 | How do you make aptitude recreate scripts in /etc/init.d/? I accidently removed /etc/init.d/mysql. |
| 21:43.34 | stew | raz0: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 21:43.57 | stew | lymeca: i dont' know |
| 21:43.58 | Ace2016 | ok i give up, i'll just turn the laptop off and use the deskotp, but i wanted this to work between uni and home so i could have my server running at home, oh well |
| 21:43.59 | lymeca | wols_: Would you happen to know anything about maing d-i recognise my Adaptec 31025 RAID card? |
| 21:44.01 | grand_grunt | benbread: I try, I try |
| 21:44.08 | lymeca | I know it's aacraid drivers |
| 21:44.30 | Ace2016 | i just restarted my desktop, lets see if it actually restarts |
| 21:44.38 | grand_grunt | benbread: not better. OpenOffice doesn't become verbose at all |
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| 21:45.25 | grand_grunt | I hate those software that don't "speak".. The best way I knew to find a issue in GUI was to launch them from console. And know, what should I do? |
| 21:45.31 | fisxoj | how low does g-p-m let the battery go before deciding it's critical, and suspending? I'm at 4%... |
| 21:46.21 | grand_grunt | mhh.. it speaks. "*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x00002ac1df0bf710 ***" |
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| 21:46.50 | Throat | grand_grunt, man strace ... and you'll probably will wish it to shut up when you use it :) |
| 21:47.00 | grand_grunt | lol |
| 21:47.02 | suwro | lol |
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| 21:47.30 | grand_grunt | Throat: got no "trace" |
| 21:47.33 | raz0 | stew, Thanks. |
| 21:47.39 | Throat | esssssssssssss-trace |
| 21:48.50 | micols | weird, the nvidia driver works, but its unbelieveably slow in 24bit on my laptop, it takes 15seconds to draw a 5Mpix image in 1600x1200 on my monitor |
| 21:49.04 | micols | and 1second in 1600x1200 16bit |
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| 21:49.16 | MojoRisin | #mono |
| 21:49.18 | micols | everything is slow in 24bit, even blackbox window manager :) |
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| 21:49.56 | suwro | micols: which nvidia card, how much vieo memory do you have |
| 21:50.05 | micols | has anybody been having issues with 24bit nvidia/xorg , i dont run any composite or the like, its a geforce2go with 16mb ram |
| 21:50.18 | MojoRisin | what kind of issues |
| 21:50.18 | micols | in windows it runs 32bit fast, which compares to 24bit xorg |
| 21:50.25 | micols | cant show images fullscreen etc. |
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| 21:50.33 | micols | or run opengl |
| 21:50.42 | micols | it runs at 1fps vs 120fps in 16bit |
| 21:50.42 | grand_grunt | Throat: no, it's not verbose. I think I don't know enough to use such a tool as xtrace. But thanks. |
| 21:51.00 | suwro | micols: started x with nv or nvidia - try glx info |
| 21:51.09 | Throat | grand_grunt, it's still "strace" - and you use it as in "strace -f -F openoffice" |
| 21:51.25 | Throat | grand_grunt, not sure what you want to do with all that information, though |
| 21:51.49 | micols | suwro: http://www.fys.ku.dk/~micols/nvinfo |
| 21:52.18 | grand_grunt | Throat: I want to find a way to make OO run when I want to export to xhtml. The way goes through strace, let me use strace. |
| 21:52.24 | micols | its very very slow, everything is slow in 24bit, but no lag in 16bit.. i thought it was too little memory on the chipset.. but its perfectly fine in windows in 32bit (24bit xorg) |
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| 21:52.48 | micols | so must be a buggy driver from nvidia perhaps, or issues in xorg maybe |
| 21:53.00 | n3kl | quit |
| 21:53.21 | suwro | micols: 1 sec let me look at your link - brb |
| 21:53.29 | grand_grunt | Throat: OMG ! you said "verbose".. |
| 21:53.56 | stew | micols: is blackbox slow with the nv driver? |
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| 21:54.21 | spacix_ | What is the difference between pager and less? |
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| 21:54.40 | wols_ | none. less is a pager |
| 21:54.53 | suwro | question: ain't geforce2 in nvidia-legacy ?? |
| 21:54.56 | stew | spacix_: /usr/bin/pager points to the system default pager via /etc/alternatives which may be less, 'update-alternatives --config pager' to set the default |
| 21:55.31 | suwro | micols: you have the wrong nvidia driver - for old geforce2 use nvidia-legacy instead nvidia. |
| 21:55.33 | spacix_ | stew: ok thanks |
| 21:55.58 | Throat | grand_grunt, yes... sometimes takes people some time to find out I don't utter warnings without reason.... hm, come to think of it - mostly they figure after the 1st time they ignored one :) |
| 21:56.05 | micols | suwro: its a geforce2... 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) |
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| 21:56.20 | micols | the driver i use is for b2 im pretty sure |
| 21:56.29 | suwro | micols: driver is nvidia or nvidia-legacy? |
| 21:56.38 | micols | nvidia legacy |
| 21:56.46 | micols | new nvidia doesnt work for legacy chipsets |
| 21:57.21 | suwro | micols: is your xorg.conf running driver nv or driver nvidia? |
| 21:57.33 | Spee_Der | Good evening folks..... |
| 21:57.44 | Spee_Der | Oh |
| 21:57.50 | Spee_Der | Anyway..... |
| 21:58.02 | Spee_Der | Glad to be be home at last.... |
| 21:58.09 | grand_grunt | Throat: are you able to understand strace's messages? |
| 21:58.38 | chops | grand_grunt: Are you trying to figure out why openoffice won't export xhtml by examining strace output? |
| 21:58.40 | micols | driver "nvidia" suwro |
| 21:58.51 | suwro | micols: http://www.fys.ku.dk/~micols/xorg.conf ?? |
| 21:59.10 | grand_grunt | chops: is there an other way? I figure that out, yes. |
| 21:59.15 | suwro | micols: lower your resolution - then. |
| 21:59.15 | micols | what about it suwro |
| 21:59.21 | Throat | grand_grunt, yes.. it's listing all communication between the process and the system ... system calls to open files etc. it's most useful for looking which files are opened (or searched for, but not found) |
| 21:59.23 | micols | why should i lower it? |
| 21:59.26 | n3kl | How can I configure a password policy (complexity, change frequency, etc)? |
| 21:59.38 | micols | it has got enough bandwidth to run 24bit 1600x1200, it does so in windows. |
| 21:59.41 | Throat | grand_grunt, you have to know what you are looking for, else you probably cannot find anything |
| 21:59.43 | chops | grand_grunt: What does it do when you try to export xhtml? |
| 21:59.48 | micols | must be nvidia buggy linux driver or xorg problem |
| 21:59.51 | suwro | micols: turn composite off |
| 21:59.52 | stew | micols: there is nothing we can do about the non-free nvidia problem |
| 22:00.00 | stew | err ^problem^driver |
| 22:00.04 | chops | grand_grunt: I do not think that strace is a good way to proceed... |
| 22:00.04 | micols | no problems in 16bit, and btw i have had composite off suwro |
| 22:00.10 | micols | i just did put composite on for testing |
| 22:00.20 | micols | some eyecandy.. i normally have it off, and i do have it off now |
| 22:00.59 | micols | i dont like composite anyway, its got memory leaks :) |
| 22:01.07 | suwro | micols: ok - is your XP working correctly on 1600x1200 ?? |
| 22:01.20 | micols | yes perfectly suwro |
| 22:01.32 | grand_grunt | chops: the OpenOffice window doesn't answer at all. It keeps the bitmap of what was in front off it. |
| 22:01.42 | micols | so my first assumption that the sdram bandwidth was too slow for 24bit 1600x1200 doesnt hold |
| 22:01.56 | micols | it must be the driver somehow, as it works good in windows |
| 22:02.03 | suwro | micols: well - then you-re right, buggy nvidia driver |
| 22:02.08 | chops | grand_grunt: Oh, so strace might actually not be all that bad a way to proceed. Have you filed a bug? |
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| 22:02.27 | chops | grand_grunt: You might also try installing a backported version of a more recent openoffice -- if it's fixed in a newer version, you're not likely to get a lot of help with the old version |
| 22:02.31 | micols | suwro: yes, i tested two legacy drivers now, both have this "flaw" or bug. |
| 22:02.47 | suwro | micols: did you try to change AGPMode ?? |
| 22:02.58 | micols | suwro: yes tried 2x |
| 22:03.04 | micols | and 1x iirc |
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| 22:03.52 | bernhar2 | is there any proprietary software in the debian main repos? |
| 22:04.02 | micols | upgrade from etch to testing cleared my typespeed highscore of 740 in unix commands :( |
| 22:04.06 | suwro | micols: compare then with this one: http://inarad.ro/soft/unix/xorg.conf - it's an old mine. |
| 22:04.06 | grand_grunt | chops: The OpenOffice I got know is the most recent for my "Stable" Etch.. how can it contain a bug? |
| 22:04.14 | micols | without even asking |
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| 22:04.16 | chops | grand_grunt: How can it contain a bug? |
| 22:04.23 | chops | grand_grunt: I've never heard someone ask that before :-) |
| 22:04.28 | grand_grunt | lol |
| 22:04.42 | Tramp | n3kl: man pam_cracklib (libpam-cracklib) |
| 22:04.43 | chops | grand_grunt: Yes, the version of openoffice in etch can contain bugs (as can any other version). |
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| 22:04.49 | grand_grunt | chops: a dumb question, I know.. |
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| 22:05.07 | chops | grand_grunt: Upgrading may cause other bugs, but it may resolve some of the ones that the stable version has (and it's more or less a prerequisite if you're going to file a bug) |
| 22:05.21 | grand_grunt | chops: mh.. |
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| 22:07.23 | Tramp | n3kl: for basic stuff (e.g. length) just check /etc/pam.d/common-password |
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| 22:12.41 | bernhar2 | is there any proprietary software in the debian main repos? |
| 22:12.49 | chops | bernhar2: no |
| 22:12.57 | grand_grunt | chops: "I give a xhtml bug in OpenOffice, who could give me a PDF bug in exchange?" |
| 22:13.39 | bernhar2 | chops: will there be any proprietary software in the main repos? |
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| 22:14.06 | bernhar2 | like parallels, vmware, shareware in general etc... |
| 22:14.23 | grand_grunt | chops: the worst is that the "close" button doesn't make KDE ask for killing process after a few seconds. |
| 22:14.50 | drwahl | i am trying to forward an X app through ssh. it worked yesterday, then i logged off and headed home from work. i'm at work again today, i and get "X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)." when i try to run X apps. what do i need to start (or restart) to get xforwarding to work again? |
| 22:17.22 | bernhar2 | so i guess debian is the only really free distribution |
| 22:17.29 | opensrcguru | drwahl: probably the ssh tunnel. |
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| 22:17.49 | chops | bernhar2: IIRC there was one other niche distro that the FSF validated as free |
| 22:17.55 | drwahl | i ahve tried logging in server times, that doesnt seem to fix it |
| 22:18.03 | chops | bernhar2: The FSF also provides a stripped-down version of Debian that they describe as fully free |
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| 22:18.58 | opensrcguru | drwahl: logging in (by default) doesn automagically setup the ssh tunnel to forward x apps. |
| 22:19.07 | bernhar2 | chops: thx |
| 22:19.16 | bernhar2 | nite all |
| 22:19.19 | chops | bernhar2: np |
| 22:19.25 | opensrcguru | drwahl: did u setup the tunnel? |
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| 22:20.12 | chops | drwahl: You shouldn't need to set anything up. You need to use 'ssh -X' and have xauth installed on both ends IIRC |
| 22:20.12 | drwahl | i'm am aware of that, but to be sure, i did double check how i was logging in. the server on the far side is actually at my home. i am using a workstation here at work (with putty) to log in. this same exact setup worked yesterday |
| 22:20.28 | chops | drwahl: With putty I have no idea how it's supposed to work. |
| 22:20.37 | chops | drwahl: (I didn't even know that putty supported X tunneling) |
| 22:20.56 | drwahl | chops, there is a program called xming |
| 22:20.57 | drwahl | err... |
| 22:20.59 | drwahl | wait |
| 22:21.04 | drwahl | i think that might be the issue |
| 22:21.14 | drwahl | i installed an update to windows |
| 22:21.24 | drwahl | that probably borked the xforwarding on this edn |
| 22:21.26 | drwahl | end even |
| 22:22.31 | sander_m | I have a question about ssh-agent: Do I need to run ssh-add every time I start ssh-agent? Or only once? |
| 22:22.31 | drwahl | ok, i had to reinstall the program Xming to get it to work again. i guess it freaked out because of that update. *grumble* why do they make me use Windows at work *grumble* |
| 22:22.46 | grand_grunt | drwahl: you can ask your questions to Bill Gates on #Windows ^^ |
| 22:22.55 | chops | drwahl: There are other jobs, you know :-) |
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| 22:23.11 | grand_grunt | drwahl: There are live CD's ^^ |
| 22:23.27 | chops | drwahl: I do Windows development at work, and it's not so bad for me. Using cygwin and knowing what I learned from Linux helps a lot. |
| 22:23.42 | MojoRisin | can u put debian on a flash drive? |
| 22:23.52 | chops | MojoRisin: Yes |
| 22:24.04 | MojoRisin | link? |
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| 22:25.58 | drwahl | grand_grunt: ya, i would love to be able to pop in a live cd, but there are too many network apps that require Windows (wine says they are not supported) and Active Directory stuff that i dont want to deal with on a live cd |
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| 22:28.21 | drwahl | !usb install |
| 22:28.21 | dpkg | hmm... usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
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| 22:29.49 | chops | MojoRisin: Google? |
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| 22:30.10 | chops | MojoRisin: I mean, _I_ could google for it, and then I could paste the link in, and then you could read it... but that seems inefficient. |
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| 22:33.22 | n3kl | Tramp: its all pam, for authrntication, right? So, is it the pam modules(?) that I need to be researching? |
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| 22:34.37 | chops | drwahl: Having Debian servers at work that I can take care of helps a lot too, actually :-). |
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| 22:35.33 | drwahl | chops: that is what i do. i have about 300+ unix/linux servers i maintain. the windows box is just really a dumb terminal |
| 22:35.40 | chops | drwahl: Yeah |
| 22:35.55 | drwahl | and i mean dumb in every meaning of the term :) |
| 22:35.59 | chops | drwahl: I also like that it intimidates people when they come by and my whole two monitors are filled with putty and/or cygwin :-) |
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| 22:36.52 | drwahl | lol, only two? :) there are like seven of us in our NOC and we each have 3 or 4 20"+ monitors, filled to the brim with putty terms. |
| 22:37.13 | drwahl | so when you step in to this room, you get slight radiation from all the monitors |
| 22:37.14 | drwahl | rofl |
| 22:37.24 | drwahl | you have to go through detox to leave :) |
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| 22:39.07 | Tramp | n3kl: yes. |
| 22:39.56 | n3kl | Tramp: cool, thanks |
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| 22:41.10 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 22:41.38 | Ace2016 | whats where is the network file in debian sid, i'm using a suse howto which asks to edit /etc/sysconfig/network |
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| 22:43.27 | Ace2016 | where does debian keep the sysconfig directory> |
| 22:43.28 | Ace2016 | ? |
| 22:43.44 | streuner_ | /etc/ ? ;-) |
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| 22:44.11 | chops | Ace2016: /etc/network/interfaces is where most Debian network configuration is |
| 22:44.18 | streuner_ | Ace2016: what do you want configure? |
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| 22:44.21 | Ace2016 | ok i'll look there |
| 22:44.33 | Ace2016 | i want to add WIRELESS_AP_SCANMODE='2' to the file |
| 22:44.35 | streuner_ | !+tell Ace2016 -about interfaces |
| 22:44.35 | dpkg | told Ace2016 about interfaces. |
| 22:44.45 | chops | Ace2016: I have a feeling you may have to abandon a lot of your Suse-specific instructions :-( |
| 22:44.56 | streuner_ | hm, prolly a driver issue or specifc issue too |
| 22:45.22 | Ace2016 | chops: the instructions had 3 steps, open the file, add that, save it |
| 22:45.28 | Ace2016 | stuck at step 1 |
| 22:45.36 | streuner_ | show us the URL |
| 22:46.06 | Ace2016 | http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?showtopic=58782 |
| 22:46.28 | infernal_jesus | Ace2016: that's suse :P you're asking for debian |
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| 22:46.34 | infernal_jesus | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 22:46.53 | mplabs | Where is the svnserve file to configure svn server, in Debian ? |
| 22:47.02 | streuner_ | Ace2016: we cant help for SuSE specific questions |
| 22:47.25 | chops | Ace2016: Probably better to find Debian-specific instructions than to try to map Suse-specific ones to Debian |
| 22:47.26 | Ace2016 | well knetwork manager forces me to type in the password for the wireless nick and set it up each time, its a hidden network so it isn't found in the list, so i have to apparently do those steps to get it to work |
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| 22:48.03 | Ace2016 | knetwork manager forgets my wireless each time |
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| 22:48.27 | streuner_ | Ace2016: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:48.38 | infernal_jesus | Ace2016: have you tried #suse? |
| 22:48.43 | infernal_jesus | or maybe even ##linux |
| 22:48.51 | chops | infernal_jesus: He's using Debian, not suse |
| 22:48.58 | Ace2016 | ok i'll try in ##linux |
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| 22:49.22 | infernal_jesus | chops: well he shouldn't be looking for suse instructions :D |
| 22:49.22 | streuner_ | #wireless 74 http://wiki.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/WirelessFaq | Why wireless? http://www.vibrant.com/cable-messes.php |
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| 22:49.27 | Ace2016 | seems i don't have tail installed |
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| 22:49.35 | infernal_jesus | Ace2016: what exactly do you want to do? |
| 22:49.51 | streuner_ | hm, a good sign that you DON'T use Debian :-) |
| 22:50.18 | Ace2016 | to allow my hidden wireless network which does not broadcast the ssid and also uses wpa to be detected in knetworkmanager's list so i don't have to type in the password each time |
| 22:50.45 | infernal_jesus | ah |
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| 22:50.48 | Ace2016 | i use debian |
| 22:50.52 | Ace2016 | debian sid |
| 22:51.05 | streuner_ | !find tail |
| 22:51.06 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'tail' (12): acpitail ;; inotail ;; libfile-tail-perl ;; logtail ;; multitail ;; python-dogtail ;; root-tail ;; rsstail ;; squidtaild ;; tailor ;; whiptail ;; xtail. |
| 22:51.41 | Eulex | it's in coreutils |
| 22:51.53 | dvs | I excluded it! ;-) |
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| 22:52.05 | Ace2016 | This is what it says bash: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1: command not found |
| 22:52.24 | streuner_ | Eulex: never needed to install that |
| 22:52.31 | Ace2016 | Without the '' i get ii libc6 2.7-9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:52.45 | Throat | hehe |
| 22:52.51 | Eulex | Ace2016, apt-cache policy coreutils |
| 22:53.13 | streuner_ | Ace2016: installed via debootstrap? |
| 22:53.32 | Throat | Eulex, no... read again... most pipes (or commands with options) don't work if you enclose them in single-quotation marks |
| 22:53.42 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.52 | Ace2016 | and some other stuff showing my repo |
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| 22:54.03 | streuner_ | show us that too |
| 22:54.16 | Eulex | Throat, ah, heh |
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| 22:54.39 | Ace2016 | wrong key |
| 22:54.40 | Ace2016 | ok bck |
| 22:54.42 | Ace2016 | back* |
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| 22:55.34 | Ace2016 | http://pastebin.ca/950956 |
| 22:55.48 | Ace2016 | so back to the wireless |
| 22:56.10 | Tramp | Ace2016: what you need is ... more knowledge. Start with /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz. and man interfaces. And probably you should not be using unstable. |
| 22:56.12 | streuner_ | strange |
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| 22:56.22 | Ace2016 | how do i get wireless networks which do not boradcast the ssid and use wpa to show up in knetworkmanager's list? |
| 22:56.23 | lobao | 7GB is enough for the / ? Having a /home in another partition? |
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| 22:56.41 | Ace2016 | nope, you should have more for / |
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| 22:57.10 | Ace2016 | but then again i do put all kinds of junk in /Archive |
| 22:57.16 | Tramp | streuner_: he was typing your command verbatim, including the quotes. That was his problem. |
| 22:57.48 | streuner_ | Tramp: sure, i got that NOW |
| 22:57.48 | lobao | the guided partitioning of D-I make this config for me |
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| 22:58.35 | Tramp | lobao: Depending on the amount of software you plan to install, 7GB me be enough - it is a bit on the tight side though. |
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| 22:59.11 | streuner_ | Guerin_: mpg321 http://80.237.206.16:7620 |
| 22:59.54 | lobao | its a desktop/develop station |
| 23:00.10 | SexyKen | Hey guys - I have installed heartbeat on 2 machines (load balancers) - I think they may be starting too early (before the network interfaces) - how would I tell heartbeat to start AFTER the network itnerfaces? |
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| 23:00.35 | tarkus | hey guys, a few buddies and i thought of this project. let me know if you think this would be successfull. would you join if it was active and well implemented/designed? http://dpaste.com/40492/ |
| 23:00.36 | infernal_jesus | SexyKen: read up on rc.d |
| 23:00.43 | Throat | lobao, depends what you want to put in it... I think an average or smallish install would be... around 4GB (??) and /var/cache/ with apt's deb cache should be around 1GB to 2GB, I think ... but whenever you run out of space, you will definitely run into problems :) |
| 23:01.29 | aindilis | does anyone know of an ontology or tags based personal inventory manager? |
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| 23:03.16 | dvs | SexyKen: Try the "post-up" option in the interfaces file. |
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| 23:04.25 | infernal_jesus | SexyKen: or you can start them at rc.local, that's one of the last things that get started |
| 23:04.31 | Throat | hehe... /usr/local alone has 7.5 GB on my system :-P |
| 23:04.55 | lobao | putz |
| 23:04.57 | martianixor | Throat: holy moly |
| 23:05.04 | Throat | and 18G are used on this disk - so I guess everything outside /usr/local uses around 10GB |
| 23:05.12 | tarkus | what do you think of that project? ^^ |
| 23:05.21 | martianixor | Throat: your storage is in Tera Byts? |
| 23:05.57 | raz | hmm.. what was the name of the program again that i can use to simulate user input to a cli utility? |
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| 23:06.49 | Throat | martianixor, ?! I said GB, not TB... was just trying to figure the question if 7GB is enough for / (or if it would be for me) |
| 23:07.15 | lobao | i thinking in 20GB, in another install a put 15GB with /home together in / and most of the space the /home use it, i think the system use 5-7 GB |
| 23:07.34 | Throat | so - seems "no", I seem to need around 10 GB |
| 23:08.31 | lobao | f*ck, i dont have sure |
| 23:08.31 | Tramp | raz: expect? |
| 23:08.34 | Throat | lobao, for a 20GB disk, I wouldn't use separate partitions for /home and / - that way you only run out of space when you run out of space :) |
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| 23:09.02 | lobao | i hate partition |
| 23:09.18 | Throat | then just use one for everything... |
| 23:09.27 | bc | can anyone point me to a resource, or simply tell me, if this LAN chipset will work fine? Marvell 88E8001(10/100/1000Mbps) |
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| 23:10.59 | martianixor | bc: I'm wondering if you've checked Linux HCL |
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| 23:11.29 | bc | martianixor: No I have not; I'll look it up, thank you. |
| 23:11.31 | lobao | Throat, my new HD have 500 GB of space, don't worry |
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| 23:11.50 | Throat | lobao, I mean... the advantage of having e.g. a separate /tmp is that only /tmp will fill up when a process runs wild and fills it with 1GB files - but on the bad side, it's much more likely that one of your partitions will run out of space... and then you might have a lot of extra work to provide that space (if it's really needed) |
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| 23:12.41 | Throat | and of course, some files (/var/log) change much more often than others and will lead to fragmentation over time |
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| 23:14.43 | bc | martianixor: grumble, it's not looking good (E.g. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=608893) |
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| 23:15.27 | martianixor | bc: I'm looking |
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| 23:16.56 | martianixor | bc: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedora-linux-help/92969-network-card-detection-marvell-88e8001.html |
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| 23:17.51 | bc | martianixor: right |
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| 23:18.07 | bc | martianixor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/107933 |
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| 23:18.55 | bc | martianixor: I guess I'll just get an Intell e1000 and be done with it. |
| 23:19.02 | lobao | i thinking that way, 100MB /boot, 1GB swap, 20GB /, the rest /home |
| 23:19.31 | martianixor | bc: is it ubuntu? |
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| 23:21.05 | martianixor | bc, sorry for not helping 100% as I'm having an issue with my CD burner |
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| 23:21.32 | bc | martianixor: no, debian, but I figure the card is going to be a p.o.s. anyway. :) |
| 23:21.50 | bc | martianixor: no problem, thanks for your help! |
| 23:21.50 | martianixor | bc: may be it's beyound me, but while searching I've seen insmod, may be it just needs a little bit more searching |
| 23:22.02 | martianixor | s/beyound/beyond/ |
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| 23:23.29 | bc | wishes newegg would integrate HCL with their hardware information! |
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| 23:24.18 | martianixor | :-) |
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| 23:24.40 | douglas | Hello. |
| 23:24.52 | douglas | I have an integrated intel graphic media accelerator X3100 |
| 23:24.56 | douglas | What drivers do I need |
| 23:25.23 | martianixor | bc: best wishes for good luck |
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| 23:26.00 | Sr_Linuzz | hi ... anyone had problems connecting a vista machine to a samba box ? |
| 23:27.02 | bc | martianixor: to you as well |
| 23:28.35 | douglas | hey |
| 23:28.35 | douglas | ? |
| 23:28.44 | martianixor | bc: would you check sk98lin driver module |
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| 23:29.05 | bc | this may be a dumb question, but are standard PCI cards backwards compatible with PCI Express x16? (Never used PCI express) |
| 23:29.43 | douglas | I have an integrated intel graphic media accelerator X3100, what packages do i need? |
| 23:29.44 | esteel | Nice.. Nexuiz 2.4 in unstable.. great to see! |
| 23:29.44 | martianixor | bc: never used PCI express too |
| 23:30.07 | martianixor | bc: but I think only one way to figure out |
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| 23:30.37 | Sr_Linuzz | it's the same I think |
| 23:31.03 | Sr_Linuzz | I've just bought a vaio laptop with that video card and works with the normal driver |
| 23:31.06 | martianixor | bc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express |
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| 23:34.07 | douglas | grumbles |
| 23:34.22 | martianixor | bc: a correction, I've never even seen PCI Express |
| 23:34.35 | martianixor | till now |
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| 23:37.09 | bc | martianixor: the article isn't so clear on if a standard PCI card will fit. I guess more importantly, will Linux 2.6(?)support PCI Express x16? |
| 23:37.54 | martianixor | bc well, from what I've read so far, I think it wouldn't hence the dimensions are different |
| 23:38.09 | martianixor | bc: check this one as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI-X |
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| 23:40.57 | bc | geez, a PCI express Intel network card is almost as expensive as the case and mainboard together. lol |
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| 23:41.47 | crackintosh | if I do 'tar --diff' will it only find differences between the filesystem and the archive, or will it find and replace those files IN the archive? |
| 23:42.54 | martianixor | crackintosh: run a test |
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| 23:43.31 | crackintosh | martianixor: asking was easier :-) |
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| 23:44.34 | martianixor | crackintosh: well, it's just was what I did when I was learning about tar, just create 2 different txt files etc, and see for yourself |
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| 23:45.27 | martianixor | it* |
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| 23:48.40 | geoffx | how can i assign a program a custom amount of memory? |
| 23:49.06 | bc | geoffx: that is a very broad question. :) |
| 23:49.39 | geoffx | ? dont know what "broad" means |
| 23:49.48 | geoffx | but is it possible? |
| 23:50.17 | bc | geoffx: I just meant that that can have a wide variety of answers.. are you writing a program, or? |
| 23:52.08 | geoffx | no, i have an old desktop with 1GB of ram, and im connected on lan to a few friends in my neighbor and i want to create a counter strike dedicated server in that pc, so i want to give atleast 800MB of memory just to the server, cause if i run it by default it only uses like 100mb |
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| 23:54.11 | bc | geoffx: I don't have an answer to that question, sorry. You can however give it a higher priority with regard to CPU usage though. |
| 23:54.24 | SexyKen | Hey guys - I have a NAS - how can I allow it to use quotas from debian |
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| 23:55.42 | geoffx | bc: ok np |
| 23:56.07 | geoffx | does anyone know how to give a program a custom amount of memory? |
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| 23:58.58 | mbroeker | geoffx, depends on your skills. write a c wrapper using setrlimit or use /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 23:59.36 | geoffx | mbroeker: ok ill check about that thanks |
| 23:59.44 | esteel | geoffx: i would rather ask.. why do you think more memory helps? |
