| 00:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | what "network-manager"? |
| 00:01.30 | _vvd | enouf: ive used it many times but never figured out if it installs all packages marked(?) as standard. |
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| 00:01.54 | enouf | dunno offhand |
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| 00:05.06 | Hyphenex | how do I install the development files for my machine's running kernel? |
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| 00:06.10 | wd | ok this is weird i have ifconfig/iwconfig info but i can't ping. what's the ping command? i'm using ping -c 3 www.yahoo.com |
| 00:07.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hyphenex, you mean the kernel source? apt-get install linux-source-yourversion |
| 00:07.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | use uname -r to see the version |
| 00:07.11 | peleg | Hey. I am looking for a software that makes simple slideshows with ogg on the background, that works well on GNOME. Do you have any ideas? |
| 00:07.11 | Hyphenex | Thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:07.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | wd, ping an ip, not a name - you might have net but no DNS servers configured |
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| 00:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | wd, or the configured doesn't work. etc. you get the idea |
| 00:08.52 | abrotman | peleg: the openoffice Impress ? |
| 00:09.02 | sauvin | I can't ping...! |
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| 00:09.32 | abrotman | by IP or name? |
| 00:09.45 | peleg | abrotman: really? it knows how to make simple slideshows from pictures, and import it to a movie format? |
| 00:09.59 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: yea |
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| 00:10.04 | sauvin | ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted |
| 00:10.07 | abrotman | peleg: i have no idea .. i thought you were looking for a PowerPoint kind of thing ? |
| 00:10.37 | enouf | sauvin: you broked it |
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| 00:10.44 | sauvin | I installed bastille. |
| 00:10.46 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: dns server = dhcpd? right? |
| 00:10.51 | enouf | ugh |
| 00:11.02 | peleg | abrotman: no, just creating nice and simple slideshows, with pictures and music. fading and stuff might be nice, but not necessary. |
| 00:11.03 | enouf | frenchie :-p |
| 00:11.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | wd, no :) |
| 00:11.12 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: crap |
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| 00:11.23 | abrotman | peleg: try impress .. |
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| 00:11.40 | peleg | abrotman: ok, thanks! |
| 00:11.56 | abrotman | peleg: or look at the website and see if it thinks it can do it |
| 00:12.05 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: do i need the dhcpd because i just installed it... :) |
| 00:12.16 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: thinking that was my issue. |
| 00:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | wd, /msg dpkg dns and /msg dpkg dhcp could be helpful for you, I guess :) |
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| 00:13.55 | sauvin | gets busy fixing his inability to ping |
| 00:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | wd, and you most probably don't need a dhcpd on your machine... you might use a dhcp client - but the daemon is normally your (wireless/cable)-router-and-DSL-modem |
| 00:14.00 | enouf | $ apt-cache search slideshow ? |
| 00:14.26 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
| 00:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | sauvin, if you installed bastille, it's probably a feature, not a bug and you shoulnd't complain :) |
| 00:14.41 | enouf | pongs sauvin with a french poodle |
| 00:15.06 | sauvin | I'm not complaining. *I* did this, I remember doing this, and now I don't want it, so, time to hack a config. |
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| 00:15.15 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm using another box to type to u now.. sorry, debian on laptop. |
| 00:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 00:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | what a pity there is no bastillesmite in the bot, that would've been handy now |
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| 00:17.05 | sauvin | Looks like i'm gonna hafta restart something before I can ping again, though. |
| 00:17.12 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: guess what? lol argh! |
| 00:17.28 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: i pinged my gentoo box and got response. |
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| 00:17.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | peleg, you never mentioned anything about a movie format in your question, though |
| 00:17.52 | tuxx | Hi folks. Is there any way of starting a script after all other stuff has been loaded at boot? like the final last thing before my login prompt |
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| 00:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | wd, but not to the outside... to, say 129.69.27.1? |
| 00:18.53 | peleg | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. so I have updated my question... currently I am checking this: http://slcreator.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | "pimp my question" |
| 00:19.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 00:20.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuxx, then it's not the last thing :-P |
| 00:20.03 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: crap.. network is unreachable |
| 00:20.34 | tuxx | CutMeOwnThroat: caught me there :P |
| 00:21.08 | tuxx | It's my TwonkyVision server that wont bind to my ip unless I specify my IP - I'm guessing it's because it's started before my network is fully up |
| 00:21.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuxx, anyways - simple, give the init script the prefix S99 - look in /etc/rc2.d/ for how it goes |
| 00:21.25 | tuxx | CutMeOwnThroat: I've allready tried that :( |
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| 00:21.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | wd, check routing with route -n if the router is configured.... |
| 00:21.53 | tuxx | Guess I'm looking for a way of getting it to start later |
| 00:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuxx, 99 are the last things that are started - long after the network.... perhaps look for another reason for it to fail (e.g. permissions if it's started as nobody) |
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| 00:23.22 | enouf | rc.local |
| 00:23.29 | enouf | bootmisc.sh |
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| 00:23.34 | cleone | i want to install java enverinment |
| 00:23.35 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: destin present, gateway not present, genmask present, flags U, metric 0, ref 0, use 0, iface eth0. |
| 00:23.44 | enouf | ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 00:23.45 | apt | /.kde/autostart is, like, empty. |
| 00:23.48 | enouf | hides |
| 00:23.49 | tuxx | CutMeOwnThroat: it's started as root. The service is getting started allright but no clients on the outside can reach it until I rewoke a manual restart of the service. If I specify an IP in my settingsfile all is good, but I'm using DHCP so it's kindda a hassle |
| 00:24.15 | tuxx | quering the service locally tells me it's started.. however bound to localhost |
| 00:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuxx, hehe... integrate it in the dhcp script (kinda hackish, though) |
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| 00:25.24 | cleone | i want to install java enverinment |
| 00:25.36 | Hyphenex | I'm getting a small error when trying to install something. How might I get /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build ? |
| 00:26.01 | tuxx | CutMeOwnThroat: Sounds "dirty" :P |
| 00:26.07 | abrotman | !tell Hyphenex about search |
| 00:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | wd, there should be (at least) two lines output from route -n .. one with gateway 0.0.0.0 and one with your gateway - just compare to your other machine to understand how it should look |
| 00:26.17 | abrotman | cleone: you were already told |
| 00:26.28 | Tramp | tuxx: interfaces, post-up? |
| 00:26.29 | cleone | no |
| 00:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | cleone, yes |
| 00:27.00 | tuxx | CutMeOwnThroat: Okay another solution I see is to get the same IP on every boot. Is there a way to get that same IP without using static IP on that machine? I know it sounds akward |
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| 00:27.15 | cleone | tell me another time plz |
| 00:27.15 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: two lines oh no. i have the 0.0.0.0 but no second line. ok. |
| 00:27.20 | tuxx | Tramp: What do you mean by that? |
| 00:27.42 | Tramp | tuxx: man interfaces, search for post-up. You can hook a script in with this method |
| 00:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuxx, seems kind of pointless - if you want the same one everytime anyways, you can just as well make it static |
| 00:27.45 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: wow. i c. |
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| 00:28.26 | cleone | !java |
| 00:28.26 | dpkg | somebody said java was a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 00:28.30 | tuxx | CutMeOwnThroat: I guess your right.. I just like the idea of letting my dhcp server handle it all. Guess a way of binding that MAC adress to that IP would be my goal. |
| 00:28.40 | Tramp | tuxx: if you control the dhcpd, you can bind an IP to a MAC, so it get's the same IP |
| 00:28.40 | tuxx | Tramp: ok will do that |
| 00:28.48 | cleone | !tell cleone java |
| 00:28.51 | Hyphenex | !find find /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build |
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| 00:28.59 | Hyphenex | !find /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build |
| 00:28.59 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'find /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build' returned no results. |
| 00:29.06 | tuxx | Tramp: it's my router that's giving out IP's |
| 00:29.13 | cleone | !tell cleone java-runtime |
| 00:29.25 | Hyphenex | abrotman: didn't find the file :( |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | your kernel is out of date to start with |
| 00:29.56 | cleone | any one tell me plz how can i install java envernment |
| 00:30.02 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: ok so i don't need dhcp server right? |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | cleone: i told you over an hour agao |
| 00:30.16 | tuxx | Tramp: post-up might even do the trick if that is my problem. I'll investigate that further |
| 00:30.20 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: i just reboot and it failed. |
| 00:30.21 | Tramp | tuxx: I don't know your router. So if it does not allow to bind IPs to MACs you can't - or get a router where you have more contol 8) |
| 00:30.38 | cleone | i have go |
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| 00:30.52 | cleone | and i fprget now how to do it |
| 00:30.53 | tuxx | Tramp: I can't .. it's an ISP specific one.. however I have an older Linksys I recall can do the trick.. perhaps I should re-connect that one |
| 00:30.58 | edistar | cleone: apt-cache search sun-java |
| 00:31.03 | Hyphenex | abrotman: I'm not too worried about my out-of-date kernel, I just need that file for something |
| 00:31.12 | edistar | cleone: then install the appropriate package with apt-get install <package> |
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| 00:31.51 | abrotman | Hyphenex: you're going to have a heck of a time finding hte file since the package you need has been removed from the archives |
| 00:31.55 | Tramp | tuxx: however. Either post-up, or modify your startup-script to wait 'til it sees the IP |
| 00:32.02 | abrotman | !find modules/2.6.18-6-686/build etch |
| 00:32.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'modules/2.6.18-6-686/build' (1): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686. |
| 00:32.25 | Hyphenex | abrotman: hmm, ok. what do I do now then? |
| 00:32.39 | cleone | abrotman i don't have any anwser with apt-cache search sun-java |
| 00:32.42 | tuxx | Tramp: thing is I'm not skilled enough for such editing.. and I can hardly ask for someone else to do it |
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| 00:33.37 | Hyphenex | can't I just apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 for the file then? |
| 00:33.40 | Tramp | tuxx: ok then ..... remains post-up |
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| 00:33.59 | abrotman | Hyphenex: it won't match your kernel .. you can try |
| 00:34.07 | tuxx | Tramp: yes. I have a few solutions now that might work. Thanks so far :) |
| 00:34.15 | Hyphenex | abrotman: always worth a try :) |
| 00:34.26 | abrotman | what could possibly go wrong ... |
| 00:34.35 | abrotman | Hyphenex: it really won't work .. update your kernel |
| 00:34.40 | Hyphenex | the chan_skype wouldn't work :P |
| 00:34.53 | Hyphenex | abrotman: is there an easy way to update my kernel? |
| 00:35.05 | abrotman | Hyphenex: do you have security.debian.org sources? |
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| 00:35.24 | Hyphenex | abrotman: I'm pretty sure I do :) |
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| 00:35.42 | abrotman | Hyphenex: aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 00:36.00 | cleone | any one tell me plz how can i install java envernment |
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| 00:36.13 | Hyphenex | abrotman: will that over-write my current kernel? my current box is not connected to a monitor so it's hard to select anything on boot |
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| 00:36.27 | abrotman | Hyphenex: yes it will |
| 00:36.37 | Hyphenex | ok, Thanks :) |
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| 00:39.38 | wd | cu |
| 00:40.14 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: i rebooted and all that work of ifconfig is lost... |
| 00:40.39 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: isn't dhcp suppose to pull it up on reboot everytime. |
| 00:40.47 | esteel | anyone know AFT? i seem unable to embed links with ? in them. can someone tell me how to do that? |
| 00:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | wd, if you have dhcp installed... you must set up your connections in /etc/network/interfaces (see man interfaces) |
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| 00:42.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | cleone, post your /etc/apt/sources.list to a paster |
| 00:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell cleone about paste |
| 00:42.18 | cleone | no |
| 00:42.19 | cleone | o |
| 00:42.21 | cleone | no |
| 00:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/paster/paste-bin/ |
| 00:42.25 | cleone | i have do it |
| 00:42.32 | DustyBin | CutMeOwnThroat: would you mind changing your nick, i find it offensive |
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| 00:42.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | DustyBin, yes, I would :) and it's not really offensive |
| 00:42.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell DustyBin -about dibber |
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| 00:44.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 00:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell DustyBin -about dibbler |
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| 00:45.22 | DustyBin | :P |
| 00:46.09 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, i tried to do "man dhcp" and no manual.. so i don't dhcp huh? |
| 00:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | you guys all have a too literal (and not literate enough) mind :) |
| 00:46.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | wd, no |
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| 00:46.37 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: darn. |
| 00:47.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | wd, "man dhclient" could do it :) |
| 00:47.09 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:47.09 | dpkg | ot is probably Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:47.14 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
| 00:48.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think there's more than one dhcp client in debian |
| 00:48.02 | wd | CutMeOwnThroat: no entry |
| 00:48.12 | _vvd | why is it important to /dev/random a hd that will be encrypted? |
| 00:48.15 | abrotman | wd: what are you trying to do ? |
| 00:48.23 | abrotman | _vvd: entropy |
| 00:48.46 | abrotman | unless i misread that |
| 00:49.08 | _vvd | abrotman: you got me |
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| 00:50.04 | wd | abrotman: i have a 16bit wireless card, trying to get it installed on sarge 3.1 r7.. this is a powerbook 1400c 166meg ram 2g hd, it was done using woody, i'm using sarge. |
| 00:50.19 | abrotman | wd: so what's the problem ? |
| 00:50.24 | _vvd | abrotman: and that means? |
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| 00:51.27 | wd | abrotman: can't ping, can't get ifconfig/iwconfig automatically. i just did it manually but on reboot lost info. |
| 00:51.36 | cleone | !tell cleone about !java |
| 00:51.37 | abrotman | wd: so use dhcp ? |
| 00:51.45 | abrotman | !tell cleone about install java |
| 00:51.50 | abrotman | !tell cleone about nonfree |
| 00:52.10 | wd | abrotman: i hate u.... lol sounds so simple. lol |
| 00:52.12 | wd | lol |
| 00:52.33 | wd | abrotman: i had dhcpd |
| 00:52.37 | abrotman | wd: is your networking starting before pcmcia services? |
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| 00:52.46 | wd | abrotman: no |
| 00:52.55 | wd | abrotman: i'll check dmesg again. |
| 00:54.11 | slapd | i dont want debian to boot into gui interface,,,, i went to inittab and changed the initdefault from 2 to 3 but that dont boot into command line |
| 00:54.13 | slapd | help |
| 00:54.34 | cleone | abrotman i need to add something to my source.list to donwload java plugins |
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| 00:54.57 | wd | abrotman: i'm checking syslog |
| 00:55.15 | _vvd | abrotman: or..why is entropy important on the hardware level? i mean, does dm-crypt use the information already on the hd to encrypt the data? |
| 00:55.19 | abrotman | cleone: and someone asked for your sources.list 20 minutes ago |
| 00:55.30 | abrotman | _vvd: that's why i said i may have misunderstood your question |
| 00:56.01 | _vvd | abrotman: i thought you got me right |
| 00:56.17 | _vvd | im preparing a partition for dm-crypt |
| 00:56.35 | _vvd | :> |
| 00:57.58 | Tramp | !tell slapd about nox |
| 01:00.20 | slapd | nox? will that allow me to boot to the command line,,, and then crank up vncserver |
| 01:01.09 | slapd | im runnin debian within vmware,,, and would rather connect via vncserver... |
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| 01:01.55 | Tramp | slapd: did you read what the bot told you? |
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| 01:04.34 | k-os | the keyring fix does not work |
| 01:04.46 | k-os | unless i'm being very ignorant to see the solution? |
| 01:06.58 | slapd | tramp: not familiar with bots... please explain and help,,, much thanks |
| 01:07.16 | Tramp | !nox |
| 01:07.16 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 01:09.31 | k-os | any ideas on the public key fix? |
| 01:09.39 | wd | abrotman: ok. whew. here's all i know. on reboot my kernel finds trex pcmcia controller, orinico.c, now some cardmgr can't access card but kernel loads eth0 mac adrs, station name, "ready", ~./network start eth0 |
| 01:09.47 | DynamicPink | I need some help with the b43-fwcutter program |
| 01:10.10 | slapd | ah,,, will do that,,, once done i can then run vncserver from command line and get a gui thru my windoz vnc connector? |
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| 01:10.29 | wd | abrotman: however ifconfig eth0 show info but iwconfig eth0 shows info but no essid and access point |
| 01:10.52 | wd | abrotman: so like u said... "do u have dhcp" lol |
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| 01:11.20 | wfq | has anyone of you used or does anyone of you use Xfce? |
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| 01:11.39 | DynamicPink | I have apt install the program and it asks if the firmware should be downloaded and installed. When I do this I end up with a kernel error bcm43xx_microcode5.fw not installed. |
| 01:11.43 | wd | abrotman: the fact it found HWaddress let me know that card is recogn by kernel. right. but i'm not getting a ip and that's dhcp huh? |
| 01:11.51 | wfq | everything is ok in my box but applicaton look being so big either width and height |
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| 01:12.56 | Tramp | slapd: well - most probably yes |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | wd: so if you use dhclient now ? it fails ? |
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| 01:13.37 | wd | abrotman: don't have anything. |
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| 01:14.18 | wd | abrotman: new install. i installed dhcpd but CutMeOwnThroat mentioned that's not what i want so i took it off. |
| 01:14.42 | wd | abrotman: so i'll emerge dhclient now... sorry i'll aptitude it. |
| 01:14.50 | abrotman | wd: you want a dhcp client .. like dhcp3-client |
| 01:14.55 | abrotman | emerge ? |
| 01:14.58 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 01:15.09 | wd | abrotman: sorry... gentoo terminology. |
| 01:15.28 | wd | abrotman: trying to make this switch is harder than i thought. lol |
| 01:15.38 | abrotman | did you think to try etch ? |
| 01:16.41 | wd | abrotman: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=19915&highlight=powerbook+1400... |
| 01:16.51 | wd | abrotman: this is why |
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| 01:17.09 | wd | abrotman: actually i was going to do woody but this guy did sarge. |
| 01:17.25 | abrotman | i'd still try etch |
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| 01:17.30 | abrotman | wd: anyways .. |
| 01:17.44 | wd | abrotman: u would? |
| 01:18.11 | abrotman | wd: okay .. is the card seen or not? |
| 01:18.27 | wd | abrotman: yes. |
| 01:18.47 | wd | abrotman: my kernel see it. but some cardmgr is trying to access it also |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | wd: and if you hit `dh<tab><tab>` .. no commands se it ? |
| 01:19.05 | wd | abrotman: checking now |
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| 01:20.08 | wd | abrotman: `what is this? lol.. dh tab tab gave me dh_installdefom . |
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| 01:21.04 | abrotman | wd: no dhclient ? |
| 01:21.08 | abrotman | wd: is pump installed? |
| 01:21.13 | wd | abrotman: no |
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| 01:21.15 | slapd | tramp: got nothin to loose... might as well try it... thanks again |
| 01:21.28 | abrotman | wd: apt-cache search dhcp .. see if there's a client available |
| 01:21.39 | icesword | abrotman, so is lenny 's 2.6.22 kernel fixed |
| 01:22.05 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 01:22.46 | wfq | guys, does anyone now why my applications look so bing when my screen resolution is 1280. I am unsing Xfce |
| 01:23.13 | sgp436542 | wfq: probably depends on your X config. What card you got? |
| 01:23.22 | wd | abrotman: wow.. shows a list of net-ware. |
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| 01:23.47 | wd | abrotman: pump, dhcp-client..and so on. |
| 01:23.59 | wfq | sgp436542, I am using the typical intel integrated in the motherboard but I am using vesa |
| 01:24.09 | wfq | this allows me to set up the frambuffer |
| 01:24.19 | subsume | Perl 6 |
| 01:24.20 | wfq | I think, there is something else rather than only the card |
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| 01:24.23 | abrotman | wd: so try one |
| 01:24.31 | jfuller | hello |
| 01:24.54 | wd | abrotman: ok, i'm still freaked out about u would use etch.. wow. brave. with the same kernels in article? |
| 01:24.55 | jfuller | hi everybody |
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| 01:25.16 | wd | abrotman: which one do u suggest? |
| 01:25.25 | abrotman | wd: make the one you have now work |
| 01:25.40 | wd | abrotman: i know i know. lol |
| 01:25.47 | wfq | spg436542, I think it could be something that I can change in my configuration file? I have checked the Xfce's desktop setting and I think I can not do anything else form there |
| 01:26.40 | sgp436542 | wfq: have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 01:26.48 | wd | abrotman: getting dhcp-client gotta put in my cd's ... i hate this. |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | wd: you could use gentoo .. wouldn't compiling be fun? :) |
| 01:27.12 | wfq | well I know that file, but I don't know what the guilty is |
| 01:27.43 | wd | abrotman: i thought about that .. yea much fun.... take a year for one app. lol |
| 01:27.45 | sgp436542 | wfq: the dpkg-reconfigure should ask you questions... VESA is v v old |
| 01:28.17 | sgp436542 | wfq: dmesg|grep -i intel to see just what chipset you have |
| 01:28.23 | wfq | spg436542, do you think that is a problem of the graphic card? |
| 01:28.25 | wd | abrotman: warning... could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open |
| 01:28.32 | wfq | I know which is via lsdev |
| 01:28.34 | abrotman | wd: are you root ? |
| 01:28.38 | wfq | sorry, lspci |
| 01:28.56 | wd | abrotman: nvm i have aptitude open on another tty |
| 01:28.57 | wfq | but I am afraid I have to recompile the kernel and this is what I would like to avoid :) |
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| 01:30.19 | sgp436542 | wfq: no need to recompile. |
| 01:30.40 | sgp436542 | wfq: also check out the 915resolution package; that's done it for me on other intel mobo's |
| 01:31.09 | wd | abrotman: yes i'm root.. getting app now.. this switching cd's is nasty.. can't wait to get net up and change sources.list. |
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| 01:31.23 | wd | abrotman: done |
| 01:31.26 | wfq | spg436542, 915resolution. Where should I check that out please? |
| 01:31.32 | abrotman | wd: so what is the wifi interface? |
| 01:31.45 | wd | abrotman: orinico silver |
| 01:31.53 | abrotman | no .. eth0? eth1? |
| 01:32.02 | wd | abrotman: eth0 |
| 01:32.10 | sgp436542 | wfq: apt-get install 915resolution |
| 01:32.10 | abrotman | pump eth0 ? |
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| 01:32.25 | wd | abrotman: i got dhcp-client |
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| 01:32.30 | abrotman | whichever ... |
| 01:32.34 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | used to use pump |
| 01:32.48 | martianixor | hello folks, other ways to know PPID else reading it from /proc/$(PID)/stat ? |
| 01:33.06 | sgp436542 | martianixor: echo $PPID |
| 01:33.09 | wd | abrotman: lost.. command? |
| 01:33.30 | wfq | spg436542, the intel card that are appearing with dpkg-reconfigure are different than mine, Should I try with vga or whatever intel that is appearing? |
| 01:33.31 | martianixor | sgp436542: :D |
| 01:33.34 | abrotman | wd: dhclient ? |
| 01:33.39 | wd | abrotman: yes |
| 01:33.51 | wd | abrotman: dhcp-client |
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| 01:33.58 | abrotman | so try it |
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| 01:34.38 | wfq | Wrong chipset detected. 915resolution only works with Intel 800/900 series graphic chipsets |
| 01:34.51 | martianixor | sgp436542: you're not kidding ! |
| 01:35.25 | sgp436542 | martianixor: nope :) |
| 01:35.53 | martianixor | sgp436542: it gives PPID of the PID of ... |
| 01:36.01 | wd | abrotman: ok. ifconfig eth0 give me HWaddress adn info but iwconfig eth0 shows some info not access point/ essid |
| 01:36.26 | wd | do i need reboot? |
| 01:36.26 | abrotman | wd: you can set those in your interfaces file |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | the ESSID i mean |
| 01:36.38 | martianixor | sgp436542: the PID of where I am, but what If I want it to give the PPID of a given PID |
| 01:36.40 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 01:36.44 | martianixor | sgp436542: scripting? |
| 01:36.56 | wd | abrotman: shouldn't i have a ap tho |
| 01:37.06 | abrotman | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 01:37.06 | abrotman | wireless-essid <blah> |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | that's what the ESSID is for |
| 01:37.27 | subsume | I'm trying to setup a fat client and its saying /proc is busy when I try to unmount it |
| 01:37.42 | abrotman | yes .. don't do that |
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| 01:37.54 | wd | abrotman: k |
| 01:38.00 | wd | abrotman: i stopped |
| 01:38.07 | martianixor | sgp436542: so the silence for I already answered my own question? |
| 01:38.28 | sgp436542 | martianixor: guess so; just looking |
| 01:38.52 | sgp436542 | martianixor: some awkward awk and grep most likely |
| 01:39.27 | martianixor | sgp436542: this is fun |
| 01:39.36 | martianixor | sgp436542: I can't get enough Linux |
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| 01:40.27 | sgp436542 | martianixor: pgrep can do the reverse: get all children of the PPID with "pgrep -P PPID" |
| 01:40.47 | wd | abrotman: r there any dhcp-client i need to fulfill? |
| 01:40.54 | wd | abrotman: or just reboot? |
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| 01:41.07 | abrotman | wd: did you put an auto eth0 line in ? |
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| 01:41.35 | wd | abrotman: that line u told me was already in .. from earlier prob.. i'll do auto |
| 01:41.44 | martianixor | sgp436542: yup I'm kinda aware of it, but of course thanks anyway, kinda stands for "to some extent I'm a good man reader" |
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| 01:42.05 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:42.24 | wd | abrotman: i have .. auto lo, iface lo inet loopback, iface eth0 inet dhcp, hostname localhost, iface dsl-provider inet ppp |
| 01:42.39 | wd | abrotman: and the last line saying don't modify. |
| 01:42.53 | abrotman | wd: what about your wireless-essid line ? |
| 01:43.00 | abrotman | and your auto eth0 ? |
| 01:43.33 | plb | can i have 2 versions of gtk installed? I've just installed gtk 2.12 so I can use firefox 3 beta 4 and am wondering if installing something like gimp in etch which will pull in a different version of gtk make a mess of things? I built gtk 2.12 in my ~ |
| 01:43.47 | wd | abrotman: no wireless essid or auto eth0 yet. so with all those do type iface eth0 inet auto? |
| 01:44.01 | sgp436542 | martianixor: The other way around, it looks like you'd need to do this: PPID=1594; ps -eaf| awk '{ print $2,$3 }' | grep " ${X}$" |
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| 01:44.34 | abrotman | wd: the auto eth0 should go above the iface eth0 line .. and the wireless-essid should be tabbed in one line after the iface eth0 line |
| 01:44.34 | sgp436542 | martianixor: Sorry, that should be " | grep ${PPID}$" |
| 01:45.05 | sgp436542 | martianixor: Then pipe that into a " | cut -d' ' -f1" to get the children |
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| 01:47.13 | martianixor | sgp436542: I'm speechless, thanks alot |
| 01:47.19 | Gun_Smoke | Anyone experience problems with a computer in high altitude? |
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| 01:47.43 | wd | abrotman: ok, so from top to bottom i have .. auto lo, iface lo inet loopback (skip line) auto eth0,iface eth0 inet dhcp, wireless-essid (name), hostname localhost, (severl skip lines) |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | wd: you could just paste it .. oh that's right .. your intarweb is busted! |
| 01:48.16 | wd | abrotman: then.. iface dsl-provider inet ppp, tab provider dsl-provider. |
| 01:48.29 | abrotman | wd: hey ... can't be any worse .. just try it |
| 01:48.34 | Tramp | martianixor: I didn't follow, what you do, but "ps -e -o pid --ppid 1" prints the pid's of all children of init. Are you looking for something like that? |
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| 01:49.23 | wd | abrotman: tryit meaning reboot or ifconfig / iwconfig |
| 01:49.33 | abrotman | wd: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 01:49.53 | wd | ok |
| 01:50.04 | aardvarq | How do I kill all processes belonging to a _NUMERIC_ uid? |
| 01:50.06 | Tramp | martianixor: sorry, without the "-e" in the beginning. |
| 01:50.38 | martianixor | Tramp: well thanks for the hint, but I'm looking for other ways to know the PPID of a PID instead of reading it from it's stat under /proc |
| 01:50.46 | abrotman | aardvarq: slay ? |
| 01:51.00 | martianixor | Tramp: other ways like a direct command |
| 01:51.43 | martianixor | Tramp: looks like I'll have fun making my own, but asked just to make sure I won't reinvent the wheel |
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| 01:53.05 | wd | abrotman: yyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | wd: now hold on |
| 01:53.16 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 01:53.18 | abrotman | wd: try to reboot the system |
| 01:53.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... nice name "slay" |
| 01:53.32 | wd | abrotman: oh crap. the real test. lol |
| 01:53.36 | abrotman | wd: IIRC ... sarge starts networking before pcmcia |
| 01:53.49 | wd | abrotman: IIRC ? |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | !iirc |
| 01:53.52 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 01:54.16 | wd | abrotman: ok. darn i'm nervous. |
| 01:54.17 | wd | lol |
| 01:54.20 | wd | here it goes. |
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| 01:56.14 | _vvd | i cannot format my disk after i edited the partition table. do i have to reboot? |
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| 01:56.35 | _vvd | after editing |
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| 01:56.55 | icesword | how do you edit |
| 01:57.01 | _vvd | i think my english sounds awkward :p |
| 01:57.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you format :) |
| 01:57.17 | _vvd | i used cfdisk |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | wd: any luck? |
| 01:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | your english is fine, just the question is a bit unclear |
| 01:57.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | so unclear actually, that there is no answer possible to it :) |
| 01:57.48 | _vvd | # cryptsetup -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 -s256 -y luksFormat /dev/hdb1 |
| 01:57.48 | _vvd | Are you sure? (Type uppercase yes): y |
| 01:57.49 | _vvd | Command failed. |
| 01:58.02 | wd | abrotman: typing in command now |
| 01:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 01:58.03 | _vvd | oh, normally i said "yes", not just "y" |
| 01:58.04 | abrotman | lowercase 'y' is not "uppercase yes" ? |
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| 01:58.25 | _vvd | but the command fails nevertheless |
| 01:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | uppercase! |
| 01:58.38 | _vvd | oh lol |
| 01:58.41 | _vvd | uppercase!!!!! |
| 01:58.43 | _vvd | thx |
| 01:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, not lol! YES! |
| 01:58.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lol |
| 01:58.51 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 01:58.57 | _vvd | werks :] |
| 01:59.15 | J0N47H45 | hauhaua |
| 01:59.32 | Xenguy | nyuck nyuck |
| 01:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha, look at this |
| 01:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !aol user |
| 01:59.43 | dpkg | hits user with a free America Online CD until he dies |
| 01:59.51 | _vvd | Command successful. |
| 02:00.44 | _vvd | uppercase, how tricky |
| 02:00.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | reading often helps, though |
| 02:01.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | completely underestimated trick, that |
| 02:01.07 | _vvd | and i googled and goooooooooglet |
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| 02:01.12 | _vvd | :P |
| 02:01.29 | wd | abrotman: ok i did ifconfig got info but iwconfig got ap all 4's.. can't ping.. should i do init.d command now? |
| 02:01.45 | abrotman | wd: yes try it again |
| 02:02.16 | _vvd | CutMeOwnThroat: i was a bit nervous as i was about to overwrite all my random data |
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| 02:03.55 | wd | abrotman: failed, no dhcpofers recvd.. dhcpdiscover kept trying. |
| 02:04.04 | wd | rats. sorry. :) |
| 02:04.14 | abrotman | wd: so it worked .. now it doesn't ? |
| 02:04.21 | wd | abrotman: yea |
| 02:04.23 | wd | hmm |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | wd: and eth0 is still your wireless ? |
| 02:04.48 | wd | abrotman: yes |
| 02:05.06 | wd | abrotman: ifconfig eth0 show HWaddress and info |
| 02:05.09 | abrotman | wd: you're double-dog sure ? |
| 02:05.20 | abrotman | there's no LAN in that laptop ? |
| 02:05.21 | wd | abrotman: yes |
| 02:05.33 | wd | abrotman: no |
| 02:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh... using wine over the net can be... a bit problematic, it seems |
| 02:05.47 | abrotman | check your interfaces file again |
| 02:05.54 | wd | abrotman: iwconfig shows info but AP is 44.44.44.44.44.44 |
| 02:06.05 | abrotman | that's not normal i don't think |
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| 02:06.30 | wd | abrotman: wait.. on the bottome of screen i see "eth0: new link status: connected |
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| 02:06.41 | Daveman | :) |
| 02:06.45 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 02:06.49 | abrotman | wd: is that good or bad ? |
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| 02:07.24 | wd | abrotman: shall i do command? |
| 02:07.30 | abrotman | go ahead |
| 02:07.48 | wd | abrotman: now iwconfig shows info |
| 02:07.53 | Daveman | Good evening :) |
| 02:07.59 | wd | abrotman: AP all info |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | wd: but an IP ? |
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| 02:08.44 | wd | abrotman: but laptop isn't showing up in my "gateway" as active. |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | but it has an IP ? |
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| 02:10.22 | wd | abrotman: no ip with ifconfig/iwconfig |
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| 02:10.38 | wd | abrotman: i'll do command now |
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| 02:11.13 | wd | abrotman: command shows good |
| 02:11.30 | abrotman | wd: so you have an IP again ? |
| 02:12.29 | wd | abrotman: yes.. strange.. it found a ip but it bound it to another one i recogn i put in a file..i should remove it from the file. |
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| 02:12.50 | micols | what is the default permission of /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 02:12.54 | micols | can anyone check for me please |
| 02:13.05 | abrotman | 644 |
| 02:13.10 | micols | mine got modified to 640 |
| 02:13.12 | wd | abrotman: that file is screwing me up.. i edited a file before all this. |
| 02:13.15 | abrotman | wd: so your internet doesn't work ? |
| 02:13.22 | micols | good.. explains why only root can resolve :) |
| 02:13.39 | wd | abrotman: it's up now.. i have no browser yet but i can ping yahoo.com. |
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| 02:14.19 | wd | abrotman: and i see my laptop in my router gateway summary. |
| 02:14.33 | _vvd | any idea why i dont have a new device in /dev/mapper after the creation of a dm-crypt device? |
| 02:14.38 | micols | i tried backports for etch, but it just keeps installing my normal etch packages, i do it like apt-get -t etch-backports install gimp - what am i doing wrong? |
| 02:14.56 | abrotman | wd: you're likely going to have to modify the symlinks to have pcmcia start before netowrking |
| 02:14.57 | wd | abrotman: maybe it just takes a while to load.. i must do the /etc/init.d/ command i see. |
| 02:15.03 | micols | i added the repository to sources.list and their gpg key to apt |
| 02:15.15 | Shadow_mil | Hey, is there any solid documentation about brltty= param on the Debian kernel. I can find a few posts about it on the mailing list. But no real documentation. |
| 02:15.17 | stew | micols: backports.org.doesn't have a gimp backport for etch |
| 02:15.30 | abrotman | wd: ls /etc/rc2.d/* .. what are the numbers for pcmcia and netowrking ? |
| 02:15.31 | abrotman | networking |
| 02:15.43 | micols | stew: what to do then? compile gimp myself or is there othere alternatives? |
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| 02:15.48 | wd | abrotman: checking |
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| 02:16.49 | stew | micols: yes, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 02:17.47 | wd | abrotman: ok. s20dhcp, s20pcmcia, no networking. |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | wd: look for networking in /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 02:18.42 | micols | stew: it says i need to add sid to my sources, is that true, or should it be testing (the version i want) ? |
| 02:18.51 | micols | testing=lenny |
| 02:18.51 | stew | micols: either |
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| 02:18.58 | abrotman | make sure it's a deb-src line |
| 02:19.24 | stew | micols: lenny and sid have the same versionin this case |
| 02:20.03 | abrotman | i kind of wish blootbot had a "versions" command |
| 02:20.11 | micols | stew: E: Build-Depends dependency for gimp cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 02:20.25 | micols | i got deb-src for testing , and deb and deb-src for my etch |
| 02:20.29 | wd | abrotman: networking is S40 |
| 02:20.32 | micols | and apt-get update'd |
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| 02:21.37 | abrotman | wd: ln -s /etc/init.d/networking /etc/rc2.d/S77networking |
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| 02:22.25 | Shadow_mil | Hey, is there any solid documentation about brltty= param on the Debian kernel. I can find a few posts about it on the mailing list. But no real documentation. |
| 02:22.58 | wd | abrotman: ok. doing now |
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| 02:23.43 | wd | abrotman: done |
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| 02:25.24 | micols | stew: it seems i need debhelper installed from testing to be able to make the builddep thing |
| 02:25.57 | micols | which is bad, it will remove my gcc,libc6 , kernel headers and build essential |
| 02:26.15 | abrotman | wd: reboot the system .. see if it works on boot now |
| 02:26.27 | wd | abrotman: k |
| 02:27.03 | wd | abrotman: we made a symbolic link to start sooner? |
| 02:27.14 | abrotman | to start netowrking again later |
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| 02:29.59 | stew | !info debhelper etch |
| 02:30.00 | dpkg | debhelper: (helper programs for debian/rules), section devel, is optional. Version: 5.0.42 (etch), Packaged size: 498 kB, Installed size: 1248 kB |
| 02:30.12 | stew | !depends debhelper lenny |
| 02:30.15 | dpkg | debhelper: depends on binutils, dpkg-dev (>= 1.14.15), file (>= 3.23-1), html2text, man-db (>= 2.5.1-1), perl (>= 5.6.0-16), po-debconf |
| 02:30.45 | wd | abrotman: up ip and pinging |
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| 02:30.53 | abrotman | wd: this is good right ? |
| 02:30.54 | stew | !depends dpkg-dev lenny |
| 02:30.56 | dpkg | dpkg-dev: depends on binutils, bzip2, cpio (>= 2.4.2-2), dpkg (>= 1.14.6), libtimedate-perl, lzma, make, patch (>= 2.2-1), perl-modules, perl5 |
| 02:31.00 | wd | abrotman: very. |
| 02:31.03 | wd | :0) |
| 02:31.13 | abrotman | wd: now you can install something mildly useful :) |
| 02:31.22 | wd | abrotman: so networking was starting before pcmcia did? |
| 02:31.24 | stew | micols: yeah, you'd have to first backport dpkg |
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| 02:31.38 | wd | abrotman: may lynx |
| 02:31.44 | abrotman | wd: yes |
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| 02:32.02 | wd | abrotman: yep and nopaste |
| 02:32.06 | stew | micols: of you are going to have to figure out why there is a dependency on a newer deebhelper |
| 02:32.36 | wd | abrotman: wait can u help me take out these cd's and put a ftp site in my sources.list |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | wd: sure .. where are you located? |
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| 02:32.59 | micols | stew: hm im not sure im brave enough to upgrade my dpkg, i just reinstalled :) |
| 02:33.05 | wd | abrotman: US pacific coast CA. |
| 02:33.43 | wfq | PingFloyd, I can see now much better but I can't still get 1280x1024 but that could perfectly be an issue of my card and the vesa driver? |
| 02:34.05 | abrotman | wd: in your /etc/apt/sources.list .. add "deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ sarge main" |
| 02:34.08 | abrotman | wd: also |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | wd: "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main" |
| 02:34.36 | abrotman | wd: and comment out the CD sources with a # |
| 02:35.23 | abrotman | wd: got it ? |
| 02:35.51 | wd | abrotman: yes |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | wd: oh yeah .. then run aptitude update |
| 02:36.25 | stew | micols: gimp is depending on a newer debhelper because of the call to dh_icons, which you could probably ditch, and change the build-dep |
| 02:36.32 | stew | micols: see #448339 |
| 02:36.33 | wd | abrotman: how can i edit sources so my system doesn't update or upgrad to etch.. |
| 02:36.37 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 02:36.45 | abrotman | wd: you're pointing at sarge .. that's enough |
| 02:36.52 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 02:36.56 | abrotman | wd: just make sure nothing says stable/testing/unstable in there |
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| 02:37.10 | micols | what is #448339 stew ? |
| 02:37.32 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 02:37.34 | micols | i could just change the makefile perhaps , im not with you :( |
| 02:37.39 | stew | micols: http://bugs.debian.org/448339 |
| 02:37.45 | abrotman | !dbugs 448339 |
| 02:37.48 | dpkg | DONE:#448339:S[gimp] Wrong debhelper dependecies; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:39:03 UTC |
| 02:38.05 | stew | micols: yes, you could just change the makefile and ditch the call to dh_icons, and the makefile is debian/rules |
| 02:38.33 | stew | micols: then drop the version requirement in the build-depends in debian/control |
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| 02:39.59 | micols | ok, now what.. should i reassemble it into a .deb? |
| 02:40.19 | christefano | when does an edit in /etc/hosts go into effect? |
| 02:40.24 | micols | i got a lot of dependency problems.. if i try ./configure, i got problem with glibc |
| 02:40.32 | micols | mine is very old compared to what gimp wants |
| 02:41.05 | abrotman | christefano: immediately |
| 02:41.10 | christefano | hmm, okay |
| 02:41.13 | micols | and can only find version 2 or such in apt, it wants 2.12.3 |
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| 02:42.09 | null__ | Hello, this expression has sense for an octal number? 0x[a-fA-F0-9] if the number is for example 0x8015f8 |
| 02:42.16 | micols | ii libglib2.0-0 2.12.4-2 The GLib library of C routines <- hm isnt that more recent than 2.12.3 ? |
| 02:42.27 | micols | dont know why gimp configure is complaining then |
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| 02:43.46 | stew | micols: why are you calling ./configure? |
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| 02:44.17 | stew | micols: you want something like "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" or "debbuild" |
| 02:44.18 | micols | im not sure what else to do, i got the tar.gz extraceted in order to change debian/rules etc |
| 02:44.18 | ddalton | enouf: around? |
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| 02:44.32 | stew | micols: how did you extract the .tar.gz? |
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| 02:44.40 | micols | tar zxf file.tar |
| 02:44.46 | micols | .gz |
| 02:44.54 | stew | micols: no, you should use dpkg-source -x gimp*.dsc |
| 02:45.05 | stew | micols: otherwise the debian patch won't be applied |
| 02:45.23 | stew | micols: /msg dpkg source |
| 02:45.25 | abrotman | null__: i think that's hexadecimal |
| 02:45.26 | micols | yeah i thought about that, i didnt know how to patch it, so i skipped the patching |
| 02:45.39 | null__ | abrotman: sorry, hexadecimal you are right! :) |
| 02:45.40 | micols | but ill try that now |
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| 02:47.50 | micols | now it says it has applied the patch stew , but i tried that buildpackage, but i only have a directory gimp-2.4.5/ in . |
| 02:48.17 | micols | and ofcause the files .diff.gz , .dsc , .orig.tar.gz |
| 02:48.30 | stew | micols: cd gimp-2.4.5 ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ; (after you get rid of dh_icons and change the build-depends |
| 02:48.33 | stew | ) |
| 02:51.13 | micols | stew: http://pastebin.com/m420fe416 |
| 02:52.10 | micols | i removed dh_icons and removed debhelper too |
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| 02:54.06 | micols | im currently trying to fetch all those dependencies listed in that paste file |
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| 02:54.50 | stew | micols: uhh, did you remove the build-dep on cdbs? |
| 02:55.35 | stew | micols: oh, no, you just ignored the build-depends, which explains why its not building |
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| 02:59.41 | micols | it keeps saying E: Build-Depends dependency for gimp cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 03:00.08 | micols | when i try apt-get build-dep gimp |
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| 03:01.55 | stew | micols: yeah, build-dep isn't to work for you |
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| 03:02.25 | stew | micols: apt-get build-dep isn't looking at debian/control, its looking at your package cache |
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| 03:06.43 | wd | abrotman: ok. ? i'm getting error.. couldn't stat source package list http://linux.csua.berkley.edu sarge/main Pacages (var/lib/apt/lists/linux.csua.berkley.edu_debian_dists_sarge_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) |
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| 03:07.16 | micols | stew: cannot get it to work, and i tried the configure script again and now i only need libgtk2.0-dev from testing |
| 03:07.23 | abrotman | wd: oh .. let me look .. i forgot you were ppc |
| 03:07.24 | wd | abrotman: it says to update package list to correct these missing files |
| 03:07.30 | wd | abrotman: OK |
| 03:08.02 | stew | micols: forget the configure script. it doesn't exist as far as you are concerned |
| 03:08.16 | stew | micols: you just need to get 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' to work |
| 03:08.25 | abrotman | can you paste the file somewhere ? |
| 03:08.35 | micols | i tried man dpkg-buildpackage but there was no help on build-dep |
| 03:08.48 | micols | dont know what i did wrong really |
| 03:09.12 | stew | micols: you aren't going to use build-dep, you are going to have to install build dependencies by hand |
| 03:09.24 | stew | micols: (becuase you are never going to satisfy the debhelper dependency) |
| 03:09.33 | wd | abrotman: me? |
| 03:09.38 | micols | oh, i did just that 1min ago i think.. installed about 40 packages or so |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | wd: yes |
| 03:09.53 | micols | apt-get install cdbs autotools-dev patchutils intltool libxmu-dev libxpm-dev libxt-dev libaa1-dev libgtk2.0-dev libgtkhtml2-dev libjpeg62-dev libart-2.0-dev libtiff4-dev python-dev python-gtk2-dev libexif-dev libmng-dev librsvg2-dev libwmf-dev libpoppler-glib-dev libgnomevfs2-dev libgnomeui-dev libasound2-dev libhal-dev libdbus-glib-1-dev liblcms1-dev libcurl3-gnutls |
| 03:10.12 | icesword | ... |
| 03:10.19 | eonblue | .......... |
| 03:10.20 | micols | but i still think i need libgtk2.0-dev with a greater minor than what is in etch |
| 03:10.33 | stew | micols: then you have to backport it |
| 03:10.53 | stew | micols: and this is not suprising, when you think about what gtk stands for |
| 03:11.09 | wd | abrotman: paste which file? and i don't have nopaste or ssh yet. darnit, i'm gonnal have to apt-cdrom add all the cd's get nopaste and irssi to do this. |
| 03:11.20 | micols | root@mlap:/home/michael# apt-get -t etch-backports install libgtk2.0-dev .. libgtk2.0-dev is already the newest version. |
| 03:11.21 | abrotman | wd: hardly .. |
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| 03:11.33 | wd | abrotman: no |
| 03:11.36 | abrotman | wd: ignore the pasting |
| 03:11.40 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 03:11.47 | abrotman | wd: retype the lines in here .. exactly as they are on the laptop |
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| 03:11.57 | wd | abrotman: oh my. ok |
| 03:12.10 | abrotman | wd: you can also use `apt-setup` to choose a mirror |
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| 03:12.19 | micols | i will probably have to download the lib off packages.debian.org stew , wouldnt that be the easiest? |
| 03:12.30 | wd | abrotman: abrotman ok i'll do that. apt-setup |
| 03:12.32 | micols | instead of using that backports, cant get it to work anyway :( |
| 03:12.43 | h3xis | i'm trying to format a disk to fat32 using gparted, however fat32 is grayed out in the list of filesystems that i can choose from. anyone know why this may be? |
| 03:12.43 | stew | micols: you mean upgrade to testing? |
| 03:12.50 | _vvd | bah, kcryptd makes audio skip even though pulseaudio is running at higher priority (kernel 2.6.24 with cfs) :> |
| 03:12.59 | micols | no, just download the libgtk2.0-dev.tar.gz and extract it somehow |
| 03:13.18 | stew | micols: its going to be built against libc6 from testing |
| 03:13.46 | micols | hm then im lost, got no clue how to compile gimp 2.4.5 for etch |
| 03:13.48 | stew | !depends libgtk2.0-0 testing |
| 03:13.52 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.0), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libcupsys2 (>= 1.3.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), libgnutls13 (>= 2.0.4-0), libgtk2.0-common, libjpeg62, libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.18.4), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libtiff4, libx11-6, libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.3-1), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), ... |
| 03:14.01 | stew | libc6 (>= 2.7-1) |
| 03:14.06 | micols | :( |
| 03:14.22 | icesword | stew, sir,after i upgraded to lenny,2.6.22 kernel cannot boot,what could be wrong,every time it stucked at waiting for root file systems |
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| 03:14.44 | stew | icesword: are you using a stock kernel? or one you compiled? |
| 03:14.45 | Petur | Cuz i can |
| 03:14.52 | icesword | no |
| 03:14.55 | stew | micols: you have to backport gtk+2.0 |
| 03:15.02 | stew | icesword: which? |
| 03:15.14 | icesword | the one just after i upgraded ,i mean sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:15.29 | micols | when i try backporting according to the quick howto on backports.org it does nothing stew |
| 03:15.32 | stew | icesword: is your old kernel bootable? |
| 03:15.38 | icesword | you know there are two versions,one is 2.6.18,the other is 2.6.22 |
| 03:15.45 | stew | micols: how is that? |
| 03:15.46 | micols | just says its the newest version |
| 03:15.47 | icesword | yes,old one works fine |
| 03:16.17 | micols | i added the backports line to sources.list , added their gpg key to apt and apt-get -t etch-backports install libgtk2.0-dev |
| 03:16.29 | stew | icesword: boot the old one and then try "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22-1-686" (or replace 2.6.22-1-686 with whatever the actual version string is, which would match the directory name in /lib/modules) |
| 03:16.38 | stew | micols: you'd have to backport it, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 03:17.07 | stew | micols: not use a non-existant backport from backports.org, but backport it the way you are trying to backport gimp |
| 03:17.16 | icesword | stew, okay,thx,i will try it |
| 03:17.44 | stew | micols: like, try "apt-get build-dep libgtk2.0-dev ; apt-get -b source libgtk2.0-dev" |
| 03:17.55 | micols | stew: E: Build-Depends dependency for gtk+2.0 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package gnome-pkg-tools can satisfy version requirements |
| 03:18.03 | micols | with build-dep |
| 03:18.21 | stew | micols: then backport gnome-pkg-tools |
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| 03:18.51 | micols | hehe.. that works :) |
| 03:19.27 | stew | micols: install it, then go back to backporting gtk+2.0 |
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| 03:21.45 | nekostar | !ask |
| 03:21.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:22.08 | abrotman | that was useful |
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| 03:22.47 | micols | !dep gnome-pkg-tools |
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| 03:23.55 | micols | nevermind, going to bed |
| 03:24.55 | abrotman | wd: got it ? |
| 03:25.00 | wd | abrotman: no |
| 03:25.07 | abrotman | why not? |
| 03:25.37 | _vvd | wasnt kcryptd, but the combination of kcrypt+reiserfs that made cpu crawl |
| 03:25.40 | wd | abrotman: doing apt-setup now.. my pcmcia card cut off my fault tho i killall cardmgr didn't realize i need it |
| 03:25.43 | wd | abrotman: lol |
| 03:25.52 | abrotman | wd: yes .. you very much need that |
| 03:25.59 | wd | abrotman: trying to save resources.. i only 32meg ram |
| 03:26.00 | wd | lol |
| 03:26.07 | abrotman | wd: get more RAM |
| 03:26.12 | wd | abrotman: i will |
| 03:26.23 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | for SubVersion, is there anyway to make the repository revert to a certain revision? |
| 03:26.27 | abrotman | yay EDO ram |
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| 03:27.57 | stew | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: the repository? or a local working copy? |
| 03:28.07 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | stew: the repository |
| 03:28.22 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I want ot revert back to 558 |
| 03:28.32 | stew | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: i doubt it. why not just check out a revision and check it in as HEAD? |
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| 03:29.00 | eonblue | i was compiling a custom kernel on my compaq armada 500 with 64mb ram for like 2 days and then my dog tripped over the cord and it died cause the battery wasnt good |
| 03:29.09 | eonblue | that ended that project |
| 03:29.12 | stew | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: you might want to ask #svn |
| 03:29.28 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I'll try there thanks |
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| 03:30.38 | icesword | stew, this is what got,dpkg -l | grep 2.6.22,output is linux-image-2.6-686,linux-image-2.6.22-3-686,linux-libv-dev |
| 03:30.54 | stew | icesword: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 03:30.59 | icesword | ok |
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| 03:31.53 | stew | icesword: that will rebuild your initrd, which is the thing that is failing, if that doesn't work, you'll probably have to list some modules explicitly in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 03:31.56 | icesword | er,output running depmod,a curson is shining |
| 03:32.08 | icesword | cursor |
| 03:32.42 | icesword | let 's see,thank you,stew |
| 03:33.28 | icesword | finished,i will reboot |
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| 03:34.56 | tnks_ | so one of my fstab's mounts "proc" explicitly, but another doesn't. Looks like the manual mount was deprecated. What's the history of that? |
| 03:36.48 | icesword | stew, waiting for root filesystem,should i wait or? |
| 03:37.06 | _vvd | lenny updated gnome to 2.2.22? |
| 03:37.13 | icesword | no |
| 03:37.17 | icesword | 2.2.20 |
| 03:37.17 | abrotman | _vvd: partially |
| 03:37.23 | abrotman | and it's 2.22 |
| 03:37.24 | _vvd | err |
| 03:37.29 | _vvd | lenny updated gnome to 2.22.0 |
| 03:37.30 | _vvd | :p |
| 03:37.37 | icesword | 2.20 |
| 03:37.42 | abrotman | icesword: no |
| 03:37.47 | _vvd | 2.234.ew whatever |
| 03:37.51 | icesword | huh? |
| 03:37.54 | abrotman | it's 2.22 |
| 03:38.01 | abrotman | the process began yesterday i think |
| 03:38.15 | icesword | but when i click on gnome ,it said 2.20 |
| 03:38.22 | abrotman | that's your fault |
| 03:38.26 | abrotman | !info gnome-about lenny |
| 03:38.28 | dpkg | gnome-about: (The GNOME about box), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 196 kB, Installed size: 272 kB |
| 03:38.37 | icesword | hohoho |
| 03:38.38 | abrotman | bah .. bot is out of date |
| 03:38.44 | icesword | what? |
| 03:38.56 | abrotman | is that too hard for you to understand? |
| 03:39.15 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/gnome-about |
| 03:39.23 | icesword | it gave me a busybox now,cannot access tty,job control turned off |
| 03:39.37 | icesword | l will reboot |
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| 03:40.01 | wd | abrotman: look at this i might go x-less instead of fvwm |
| 03:40.09 | wd | abrotman: http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/05/21/a-day-without-x/ |
| 03:40.09 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 03:40.11 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:40.17 | _vvd | will lenny stay with linux 2.6.22? |
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| 03:40.33 | _vvd | keep |
| 03:40.44 | _vvd | it (tired) |
| 03:40.45 | abrotman | _vvd: the idea is to go to 2.6.24 |
| 03:41.11 | streuner_ | Why do you think you need .24? |
| 03:41.14 | _vvd | thats great, i run it and its smooth so far |
| 03:41.37 | _vvd | cfs maybe? hyper hyper |
| 03:41.44 | _vvd | nah, dunno :) |
| 03:41.51 | _vvd | latest is greatest! |
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| 03:42.12 | icesword | hohoh |
| 03:42.15 | _vvd | and lenny has yet a lot of time till release |
| 03:42.16 | icesword | who said this |
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| 03:42.35 | _vvd | so why not? |
| 03:42.41 | wd | abrotman: this is so pathetic.. lol http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2118/consolewr7.jpg |
| 03:43.04 | abrotman | wd: seems okay to me |
| 03:43.13 | dclarke | is there some magic phrase to utter to aptitude that will result in my kernel being updated? I would like to get it up to date but am somewhat spooked by manually compiling it myself |
| 03:43.32 | wd | abrotman: umm that's before startx/fvwm.. now look |
| 03:43.41 | wd | http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4368/fvwmgd8.jpg |
| 03:43.44 | abrotman | wd: they'll move! |
| 03:44.14 | abrotman | wd: you're only using 2MB of swap |
| 03:44.14 | wfq | guys, how can I get the git-clone for debian? |
| 03:44.17 | wd | abrotman: this is with startx.. look 32meg ram to 700k...lol |
| 03:44.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dclarke, aptitude install linux-image-2.6 or so? |
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| 03:44.34 | abrotman | wd: that's okay ... |
| 03:44.50 | wd | abrotman: what! |
| 03:44.51 | abrotman | wd: unused RAM is wasted RAM! |
| 03:45.06 | dclarke | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you .. I do not know really. dpkg ( the bot ) says that the stable release is Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.24.3 and I guess there is some magic to getting it |
| 03:45.23 | abrotman | dclarke: no |
| 03:45.25 | abrotman | dclarke: uname -a |
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| 03:45.41 | dclarke | Linux vesta 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty #35 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 20:48:16 CET 2006 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 03:45.53 | abrotman | that's not a debian kernel |
| 03:46.01 | dclarke | yes .. I know |
| 03:46.07 | dclarke | hence .. the issue |
| 03:46.09 | Shadow_mil | I am downloading the Debian DVDs, do I only need DVD 1, or the other 2 as well? |
| 03:46.12 | abrotman | and that kernel is a security risk |
| 03:46.17 | wd | abrotman: the guy in the article who helped me with this build.. http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/703/alextopel5.jpg |
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| 03:46.19 | abrotman | Shadow_mil: the first is fine ... |
| 03:46.20 | wfq | I installed git but I can not get that command |
| 03:46.22 | dclarke | not surprised |
| 03:46.35 | Shadow_mil | abrotman, which CD has KDE? |
| 03:46.51 | abrotman | Shadow_mil: no idea .. probably DVD1 has large chunks of it |
| 03:46.52 | dclarke | abrotman: however I do seem to have all the other bits needed after install and things are working well |
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| 03:47.01 | streuner_ | poor abrotman, hard work today for him |
| 03:47.06 | abrotman | no work! |
| 03:47.19 | streuner_ | s/work/job/ |
| 03:47.19 | dclarke | feels like an idiot again ... |
| 03:47.27 | _vvd | :\ |
| 03:47.28 | abrotman | dclarke: you keep doing that here :) |
| 03:47.34 | Shadow_mil | abrotman, is there a list of packages on each DVD? |
| 03:47.40 | wfq | sorry, I came down and I don't now if some typed:I said How I could get git-clone, I nstalled git but it is not enough |
| 03:47.44 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 03:47.44 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 03:47.55 | dclarke | education .. it can be humbling and yet .. I enjoy this whole Debian thing :-) |
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| 03:48.16 | icesword | stew, you still there,it doesn't work |
| 03:48.21 | icesword | :( |
| 03:48.46 | dclarke | abrotman: I managed to build a nice GCC 4.2.3 with this unit and posted the results to the GCC project. Heck, I have not even built it for Solaris yet and that is my primary platform |
| 03:48.56 | icesword | abrotman, i want tell you ,my gnome is 2.20.3,whatever you say |
| 03:48.58 | wd | abrotman: omg.. do u see these.. i need to strip down xfree86 and these xprt and stuff oh can go.. i have to always killall them. i need to find the runlevels and take out. he said just remove them totally don't need them. |
| 03:49.26 | wfq | anyone knows how to get git-clone please? |
| 03:49.29 | abrotman | icesword: yeah .. that's your fault .. i already told you that |
| 03:49.37 | streuner_ | icesword: scroll up and read what abrotman told you |
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| 03:49.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dclarke, it's just like any other package - you go aptitude install linux-image-2.4.24-your-desired-flavor - to find out which flavors exist do aptitude search linux-image-2.6.24 ... but the newest versions I can see in testing are 2.4.22.... |
| 03:50.00 | icesword | streuner_, them how could i change it |
| 03:50.03 | abrotman | wd: you're freaking out way too much |
| 03:50.04 | icesword | then |
| 03:50.09 | abrotman | icesword: just wait |
| 03:50.12 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 03:50.22 | dclarke | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you .. I just did an apt-cache search kernel and am getting the library of congress spewed at me :-\ |
| 03:50.22 | abrotman | wd: is the system running slow? |
| 03:50.39 | streuner_ | <abrotman> the process began yesterday i think |
| 03:51.09 | streuner_ | icesword: whats that hard to unterstand? ^^^ |
| 03:51.15 | wd | abrotman: umm i'm doing aptitude update, ftp.debian.org oldstable/main Release.. will that get me my PPC automatically because it doesn't say ppc? |
| 03:51.16 | abrotman | you really don't want to know |
| 03:51.30 | abrotman | wd: point at sarge .. not oldstable |
| 03:51.41 | abrotman | wd: and yes .. the system knows to get PPC |
| 03:51.53 | icesword | i got it,finaly, |
| 03:52.07 | wd | abrotman: i did't put it in my sources yet i kept what u gave me just doing apt-setup |
| 03:52.15 | wd | abrotman: oh |
| 03:52.28 | icesword | when you said it started yesterday |
| 03:52.35 | dclarke | CutMeOwnThroat: this is what I see for linux-image : http://rafb.net/p/Ie88dz65.nln.html |
| 03:52.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dclarke, what are you running - stable, testing, unstable? |
| 03:52.42 | dclarke | CutMeOwnThroat: etch |
| 03:53.04 | dclarke | CutMeOwnThroat: I am guessing that is stable |
| 03:53.16 | wd | abrotman: sorry i meant i'm doing apt-setup and i chose ftp which is getting ftp.debian.org oldstable/main Release... i stopped it because i didn't see ppc.. |
| 03:53.20 | icesword | streuner_, looks like it is a big jump from etch to lenny? |
| 03:53.21 | wd | abrotman: that's what i meant. |
| 03:53.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dclarke, then the newer kernels aren't for you -you can only backport them. etch uses 2.6.18-6 as the newest, I think |
| 03:53.39 | abrotman | wd: nope .. the system knows to look for PPC ... just change it from oldstable to sarge |
| 03:53.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell dclarke about backports |
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| 03:54.12 | dclarke | og gawd ... |
| 03:54.22 | dclarke | thank you .. but now I'm overwhelmed |
| 03:54.40 | dclarke | maybe I should follow the LinuxFromScratch book and build a new kernel that way ? |
| 03:54.45 | jim | learn the shell... you'll be less overwhelmed after that :) |
| 03:54.48 | wd | abrotman: change it how.. i didn't edit sources yet.. i kept what u gave me and just did apt-setup.. do u mean when it's finished change sources? |
| 03:54.48 | dclarke | or .. is that the kiss of death ? |
| 03:54.57 | abrotman | wd: `yes |
| 03:55.02 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 03:55.19 | dclarke | probably knows his way around a "shell" |
| 03:55.38 | jim | linux from scratch instructions won't get your kernel packaged into a .deb |
| 03:56.06 | streuner_ | icesword: -v |
| 03:56.19 | dclarke | I have no idea what a .deb is but I think that i a debian artifact or a debian package thing. All I was after was a newer kernel |
| 03:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | dclarke, I try to avoid compiling my own kernels for some time now... it's too much work and you have to reboot too often, when you mess up the configuration :) |
| 03:57.02 | jim | a .deb file (yes) is a debian package |
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| 03:57.35 | streuner_ | in Debian :-) |
| 03:57.45 | jim | so here I am stepping into a conversation I don't know the beginning of... so... |
| 03:57.56 | abrotman | so shut it! |
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| 03:58.22 | jim | dclarke: bring me up to speed on what you're after exactly; maybe I can offer something. |
| 03:58.52 | jim | (you say "new kernel", to which I ask "why?") |
| 03:59.05 | dclarke | well ... in general I was looking to install a modern up to date kernel |
| 03:59.27 | jim | and what os are you running now? also what kernel? |
| 03:59.31 | dclarke | well ... I think that the drivers needed for this particular device are now part of the sources in the newer kernel |
| 03:59.42 | jim | what problem are you trying to solve by running a newer kernel? |
| 03:59.48 | dclarke | the OS is debian etch |
| 04:00.00 | streuner_ | dclarke: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dclarke, if you don't know what a .deb is, then I suggest you have a look through this before asking further... |
| 04:00.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !reference |
| 04:00.16 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 04:00.16 | dclarke | uname -r reports 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty and that spooks me |
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| 04:00.36 | dclarke | runs dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 04:00.41 | streuner_ | that wasnt our question |
| 04:00.44 | dclarke | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 04:00.52 | jim | how and where did you get that kernel :) |
| 04:00.54 | streuner_ | where did you get this kernel? |
| 04:01.03 | dclarke | hears an echo |
| 04:01.13 | dclarke | ummm .. from the guys that made the motherboard |
| 04:01.19 | dclarke | at efika.de |
| 04:01.27 | dclarke | its .. old and sort of odd |
| 04:01.47 | jim | really? actually that seems cool... do they supply source? how are things working for you now? |
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| 04:02.13 | streuner_ | dclarke> Linux vesta 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty #35 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 20:48:16 CET 2006 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 04:02.37 | jim | I like hearing about motherboard manufacturers that go -that- far to support linux |
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| 04:02.48 | dclarke | the thing is here : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/efika_003_m.jpg |
| 04:03.09 | dclarke | it is very small and it is a SoC PowerPC solution .. very low power and yet a complete computer |
| 04:03.14 | jim | is anything not working? |
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| 04:03.34 | dclarke | jim : oh yes .. I have the sources also |
| 04:03.41 | dclarke | no sound |
| 04:03.43 | dclarke | yet |
| 04:03.45 | dclarke | :-) |
| 04:03.49 | Miesco | Whats faster, DVD or flash drive? |
| 04:04.11 | dclarke | and .. well .. the story from some of the guys in that world is that they did a put back ( upstrema whatever ) of the drivers and sources |
| 04:04.17 | jim | could you take a look at the output of lspci and see if your audio card is there |
| 04:04.29 | wfq | how could I know if drm is compiled in my kernel? |
| 04:04.31 | dclarke | all of the goodies in this embedded device are supported in the newer kernel releases |
| 04:04.44 | icedtea | Miesco: I guess that depends on the flash drive |
| 04:04.45 | dclarke | jim : tak a look at .. what ? |
| 04:04.54 | jim | output of lspci |
| 04:04.54 | icedtea | Miesco: I would think DVD is faster compared against cheaper flash drives |
| 04:04.54 | wfq | lsmod is not showin that literally |
| 04:05.08 | abrotman | dclarke: paper envelope case seems like a bad idea |
| 04:05.16 | dclarke | 00:1c.0 Bridge: Motorola MPC5200B |
| 04:05.24 | jim | (don't post it here, but look at it) |
| 04:05.50 | dclarke | abrotman: that was last week .. this week I have a ceramic plate under it |
| 04:05.57 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 04:06.00 | Miesco | icedtea: Is CD the same speed as DVD? |
| 04:06.02 | abrotman | quite an upgrade |
| 04:06.10 | dclarke | it was a style thing really |
| 04:06.25 | Miesco | I got a USB 2.0 flash drive... |
| 04:06.26 | dclarke | needed some colour and the flower pattern is nice |
| 04:06.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders about what he could care less than that TmRx, now as "TmR|screen`0ff" has his screen switched off.... but he can't think of anything |
| 04:06.33 | jim | the idea is: your audio card might be in that list, I'd like to see the one line that looks like your sound card |
| 04:06.52 | dclarke | jim : I don't know what your asking for .. sorry |
| 04:06.58 | icedtea | Miesco: still depends on the quality of the flash drive. some read much faster than others. some cd-rom drivers are faster than others as well |
| 04:07.01 | dclarke | feels that dumb feeling again |
| 04:07.34 | jim | dclarke: ok, have you used a pastebin website before |
| 04:07.43 | dclarke | jim : yes .. often |
| 04:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Miesco, copy a 1GB or file from a DVD to your flash and time copying the two files to /dev/null the next day, and you know (for your DVD and your flashdrive) |
| 04:07.57 | dclarke | see http://rafb.net/p/Ie88dz65.nln.html |
| 04:08.03 | jim | cool, so pastebin the output of lspci and lspci -n |
| 04:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... nite |
| 04:08.51 | dclarke | jim : http://rafb.net/p/xcXoT740.nln.html |
| 04:09.35 | jim | according to that, you don't have a pci sound card :) |
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| 04:10.03 | dclarke | jim : the tech specs are at http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC5200 |
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| 04:10.37 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/kzR14s97.html |
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| 04:11.05 | dclarke | and there are pins for audio here : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/efika_004.jpg |
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| 04:11.44 | dclarke | I realize that it is very much a golly gee whiz that is weird sort of thing |
| 04:12.01 | sPHERE^ | How do I apply to join one of the sections of the Debian Development team? |
| 04:12.07 | jim | it doesn't list sound as a feature |
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| 04:12.17 | dclarke | nope .. it doesn't |
| 04:12.23 | boingolov | could someone tell me what package I need to install to get the man page for setsockopt? |
| 04:12.44 | dclarke | nags head |
| 04:12.47 | boingolov | better yet, could someone clue me in on how to determine that myself? |
| 04:12.59 | dclarke | bangs his dyslexic head |
| 04:13.03 | streuner_ | boingolov: /msg dpkg search |
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| 04:13.34 | jim | sPHERE^: you could look at http://debian.org/devel |
| 04:13.36 | dclarke | jim : the manufacturer has drivers an sources .. duh |
| 04:13.38 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 04:13.44 | dclarke | jim : it says precompiled modules + sound driver |
| 04:13.46 | abrotman | sPHERE^: ask the team .. |
| 04:13.46 | lkthomas | my server sudden not working, it shows ata5: softreset failed |
| 04:13.51 | sPHERE^ | jim: yea, reading it aws |
| 04:14.51 | jim | hmm... does the device itself have sound ins and outs? |
| 04:14.58 | dclarke | jim : yes |
| 04:15.55 | dclarke | in fact .. I have found : mpc52xx_ac97_beta.patch |
| 04:16.16 | enouf | boingolov: manpages-dev: /usr/share/man/man2/setsockopt.2.gz - yet there's also the pkg; perl-doc-html: /usr/share/doc/perl-doc-html/html/functions/setsockopt.html bu you can ascertain that yourself now, also, dlocate is handy |
| 04:16.17 | jim | could it be the sound card is disabled in the bios? |
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| 04:16.35 | boingolov | enouf, thanks |
| 04:17.07 | dclarke | jim : you mean the firmware ? |
| 04:17.20 | dclarke | jim : here is that patch by the way : http://rafb.net/p/gSDUz428.html |
| 04:17.28 | enouf | boingolov: apt-file as streuner_ pointed you to, is great for finding files in uninstalled pkgs |
| 04:17.44 | jim | does the device have a monitor output? |
| 04:17.45 | boingolov | enouf, so, say I'm in my situation and I want to query for any given package that though it is not installed, provides a certain file |
| 04:17.48 | boingolov | is there a way to do that? |
| 04:17.56 | enouf | s/un/not yet ;-) |
| 04:17.58 | jim | can you get into the bios? |
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| 04:18.02 | dclarke | jim : monitor ? like a screen ? no .. no such thing |
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| 04:18.16 | dclarke | jim : it has firmware .. not a bios |
| 04:18.32 | dclarke | jim : this is a RISC based solution .. not intel |
| 04:18.43 | enouf | boingolov: saw the search factoid dpkg told you about? follow that - and /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 04:19.13 | dclarke | jim : I can drop to firmware and then cd to the device path and issue .properties |
| 04:19.14 | boingolov | just installed apt-file |
| 04:19.25 | enouf | boingolov: update it, toot sweet |
| 04:19.26 | boingolov | good stuff |
| 04:19.28 | boingolov | thanks again |
| 04:19.41 | jim | is the firmware happen to be a forth interpreter? |
| 04:19.48 | dclarke | jim : but really .. I was after an up to date kernel foermost |
| 04:19.54 | dclarke | jim : yes |
| 04:19.59 | jim | aha |
| 04:19.59 | dclarke | jim : Openfirmware |
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| 04:20.39 | jim | cool :) |
| 04:20.52 | dclarke | by the wya .. you can see more info here : http://gentoo-wiki.com/Efika |
| 04:21.14 | jim | how much did it cost |
| 04:21.20 | dclarke | nothing |
| 04:21.24 | jim | wow |
| 04:21.27 | dclarke | truely .. |
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| 04:21.39 | dclarke | but for most people .. they are $100 |
| 04:21.41 | dclarke | or so |
| 04:21.59 | jim | can you get them with two eths? |
| 04:22.17 | dclarke | yes .. next rev |
| 04:22.21 | dclarke | and 1GB RAM |
| 04:22.34 | dclarke | and the video socket will be filled with an onboard graphics chip |
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| 04:24.51 | CalJohn | is there a hash program like md5sum that can be configured to output the hash of a file with a default salt |
| 04:25.19 | jim | it would be nice to get one with two eths... but nicer to get one with like 8 or so and make a router |
| 04:26.17 | jim | in some strokes... default was salt |
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| 04:26.58 | dclarke | jim : a lot of things would be nice .. and the real plan was to port UNIX to it for a while .. now we are just happy if it runs .. anything |
| 04:27.09 | dclarke | jim : like Debian linux |
| 04:27.15 | jim | but which it does, yes? |
| 04:27.40 | dclarke | jim : it runs "this kernel" and then linux yes |
| 04:27.52 | dclarke | something more standard is what I was hoping for |
| 04:28.06 | jim | that would seem to satisfy the definition of running :) |
| 04:28.15 | dclarke | since the Linux kernel is supposed to now include all the required devices and modules for this puppy |
| 04:28.31 | dclarke | jim : oh .. indeed yes. I built GCC 4.2.3 with it |
| 04:28.45 | jim | so, you have a running machine |
| 04:28.53 | dclarke | yes |
| 04:29.05 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.12 | dclarke | thats uptime |
| 04:29.20 | jim | good start |
| 04:29.23 | dclarke | Linux vesta 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty #35 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 20:48:16 CET 2006 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 04:29.28 | dclarke | that is the uname -a output |
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| 04:29.38 | dclarke | and .. that kernel is just .. spooky looking |
| 04:29.47 | micols | my laptop has uptime of 65 days :) |
| 04:30.03 | micols | the one i use as developing server :) |
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| 04:33.20 | dclarke | gives up and wants to go play : http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Trinity+St,+Newham,+London+E16,+United+Kingdom&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=73.717504,113.027344&ie=UTF8&cd=2&geocode=0,51.515566,0.016344&ll=51.524573,0.014747&spn=0.000456,0.001195&t=k&z=20 |
| 04:34.27 | jim | dclarke, if you've already built gcc... you're giving up pretty easily... |
| 04:35.03 | jim | but I don't see there's anything to give up on here, as far as I can see, you've just done one big success report |
| 04:35.41 | dclarke | thanks you |
| 04:36.29 | dclarke | jim : http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-testresults/2008-03/msg01254.html |
| 04:37.04 | dclarke | I thought that if I built a decent toolchain with up to date binutils then I would be in good shape to build a kernel |
| 04:37.23 | dclarke | however .. if aptitude would fetch one for me .. all ready to go .. then cool |
| 04:37.35 | dclarke | that does not seem to be the case however |
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| 04:39.08 | dclarke | I'll fetch linux-2.6.24.3 and have a look at ti |
| 04:39.11 | dclarke | I'll fetch linux-2.6.24.3 and have a look at it |
| 04:39.32 | dclarke | meaning to say .. I'll wade in nice and deep and look around .. mostly clueless and bumping into walls all the way |
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| 04:40.42 | herbi | has anyone got any updates on this bug i saw in the ubuntu launchpad about xorg server core getting keys stuck when scrolling with the mouse? |
| 04:40.45 | herbi | seems to be on debian too |
| 04:40.53 | herbi | its totally screwed |
| 04:40.59 | herbi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/194214 |
| 04:41.38 | herbi | couldnt find a debian bug entry |
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| 04:41.57 | jim | are you running debian now? |
| 04:42.06 | herbi | yeah deb unstable |
| 04:42.15 | jim | so you could test it |
| 04:42.15 | herbi | my problems started same time as most of these people reporting their upgrades |
| 04:42.39 | herbi | test it? lol i know it works cos ive had to kill X three times in the last two days when my ctrl key got stuck |
| 04:43.05 | simonrvn | WorksForMe |
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| 04:44.48 | jim | herbi: if there is no bug report in the debian bts and you're having the problem yourself on a debian system, maybe you are the first one to file a report |
| 04:45.33 | herbi | cool, other people in that thread reported it on debian too, i just wanted to check if anyone here had heard anything about it or knew of an upd |
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| 04:51.54 | mindheavy | just doing a base install from the 'netinst' cd, does it have the required tools to compile software source? |
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| 04:52.55 | dclarke | mindheavy: no .. you need the build-essentials stuff |
| 04:53.01 | simonrvn | netinst is minimal to get going, you need to install standard after |
| 04:53.13 | simonrvn | build-essential |
| 04:53.27 | dclarke | thinks "yep .. that's the one" |
| 04:53.54 | mindheavy | well im not sure how to acomplish this... i need to get ndiswrapper installed because i have no internet access otherwise |
| 04:53.59 | dclarke | has to walk away .. time to take out the trash at -12C here |
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| 04:55.43 | herbi | mindheavy, please explain your problem again i didnt see it |
| 04:56.26 | jim | mindheavy: no. but: would you have fast networking at that point? |
| 04:56.42 | mindheavy | herbi: this other laptop, im wanting to install debian base and start from scratch basically. my only internet connection is wireless and i need ndiswrapper. i dont know how to get ndis on there without a net connection |
| 04:56.59 | mindheavy | jim: fast networking? |
| 04:56.59 | simonrvn | usbkey |
| 04:57.25 | mindheavy | simonrvn: would i use ndiswrapper source? or a deb package? sorry im not real familiar with debian |
| 04:57.30 | herbi | the laptop has wireless but no ethernet connection? |
| 04:57.52 | mindheavy | herbi: it has ethernet, but i can only get internet wireless where im at |
| 04:58.06 | jim | so there are no wired drops at all? |
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| 04:58.12 | mindheavy | jim: correct |
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| 04:58.42 | herbi | errr |
| 04:58.52 | jim | can you borrow a machine to act as a wireless-wired gateway temporarily? |
| 04:58.53 | herbi | how is your "other other" computer hooking into this "wireless internet" |
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| 04:59.00 | herbi | a usb dongle? |
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| 04:59.33 | jim | why not borrow a usb wireless temporarily |
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| 04:59.41 | herbi | why cant you just connect the ether of laptop 1 to laptop 2 |
| 04:59.45 | jim | there's another way if it's supported |
| 04:59.45 | mindheavy | the laptop im on now, built in wireless, its working, its ubuntu, the other laptop, usb wireless dongle |
| 04:59.59 | herbi | and they both have ether ports |
| 05:00.04 | mindheavy | herbi: yes |
| 05:00.06 | herbi | errrrrr |
| 05:00.16 | herbi | so you plug ether port of one into the ether port of another using crossover cable |
| 05:00.18 | jim | so then the question becomes can the netinst use the dongle |
| 05:00.32 | jim | right, that's another way |
| 05:00.41 | jim | you've got a fair number of choices here |
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| 05:01.06 | jim | including the choice of installing the ubuntu kernel in the debian to use temporarily |
| 05:01.21 | herbi | why even bother that |
| 05:01.25 | mindheavy | im fairly certian with the usb dongle i have, ndiswrapper is the only choice. i have a crossover cable, but i dont know how to set the laptops up to get the other one to the internet |
| 05:01.36 | herbi | plug in using crossover cable, working laptopbecomes gateway, install laptop can get wtfever he needs from net |
| 05:01.42 | jim | I'm just listing the choices without evaluating how good they are |
| 05:01.57 | herbi | mindheavy, google "setting ubuntu as gateway" and then the debian install will take care of itself |
| 05:02.21 | jim | or if you have two cables and a hub |
| 05:02.41 | jim | then you don't need an (otherwise useless) crossover cable :) |
| 05:03.00 | mindheavy | i would imagine the crossover cable being easier |
| 05:03.07 | jim | if you have one |
| 05:03.11 | mindheavy | i do |
| 05:03.16 | jim | oh, ok, good |
| 05:03.37 | herbi | mindheavy, basically if you can set up your working laptop as a gateway (connecting locally over ether and to the net via the whatever other interface it has) |
| 05:03.49 | herbi | then when you run netinst on install laptop it will basically take care of itself |
| 05:03.57 | jim | so what you do is set up the interfaces file on the eth port on the ubuntu box to have an ip on an unroutable subnet |
| 05:04.03 | jim | then install ipmasq |
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| 05:04.26 | herbi | jim, theres probly a built in ubuntu jigger to 'share internet' |
| 05:04.41 | jim | herbi: it's called ipmasq |
| 05:04.57 | jim | why would there be something else if that works? |
| 05:05.06 | herbi | err, i mean i nice easy to use frontend |
| 05:05.16 | jim | why is a front end needed? |
| 05:05.26 | jim | just set up the interfaces and install the package. |
| 05:05.27 | jim | done. |
| 05:05.37 | herbi | cos this guy didnt even realise he could connect his two laptops over ether? |
| 05:05.49 | jim | why does that matter? :) |
| 05:06.42 | jim | the point is, ipmasq looks at the interfaces, figures out a masqing router, implements it for the -present- setup of the interfaces |
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| 05:08.33 | jim | herbi: before posting an argument against it, it might be more useful for you and anyone you help in this area to look into it |
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| 05:11.40 | jim | (I guess it could be that ubuntu removed it... but if that turns out to be the case, I'd question their wisdom) |
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| 05:16.23 | tarkus | what do you guys think of this idea? let me know if you would use it if it was well implemented: http://dpaste.com/40492/ |
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| 05:19.09 | jim | tarkus: look at openacs.org, photo.net, scorecard.org, greenpeace.org, berkleemusic.com |
| 05:19.29 | jim | the first shows a toolkit that can give you a big head start |
| 05:19.49 | jim | the others are sites implemented using some flavor of it |
| 05:19.58 | stiv2k | how can i run a program inside a screen such that i can view the output on screen AND log it to a file |
| 05:20.06 | jim | photo.net is from like 1998 or so |
| 05:20.42 | jim | run screen which runs a shell, and use either script or emacs |
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| 05:21.28 | jim | if you choose emacs, use M-x shell-mode |
| 05:21.49 | jim | err sorry, that's just M-x shell |
| 05:22.35 | jim | then everything that is typed into that shell and the command output goes into an emacs buffer |
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| 05:28.26 | EtherNet | hello guys |
| 05:28.41 | EtherNet | is there a way to enable Alt + Tab capabilitie to Windowmaker_ |
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| 05:30.02 | jim | that sounds like a key combination to me... so what you do, is find out how windomakr handles that, and how you can define how it responds to yours |
| 05:30.23 | jim | as of this point I have no idea what "alt + tab capability" is |
| 05:30.48 | EtherNet | it's the way to switch between windows |
| 05:30.55 | jim | maybe it's something you like from outside debian? |
| 05:31.19 | EtherNet | done. |
| 05:31.23 | EtherNet | I configured it |
| 05:31.25 | EtherNet | thanks anyways |
| 05:31.37 | jim | so you figured it out yourself? |
| 05:32.28 | EtherNet | I installed wmakerconf utility, and I found that option there for enable that combination of keys |
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| 05:32.42 | jim | "thanks anyways" makes it sound like a bad thing... it's not. you are to be congratulated for figuring it out yourself |
| 05:33.05 | jim | perhaps it's the first time you've ever figured out something yourself? |
| 05:33.55 | EtherNet | thanks anyways, means to me, that you tried to help me, you were the only one who answered me.. |
| 05:34.31 | jim | in that case, you're very welcome |
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| 05:35.03 | netdaemon | hi |
| 05:35.14 | EtherNet | jim, really, thanks to you |
| 05:35.17 | EtherNet | netdaemon, hello |
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| 05:36.12 | netdaemon | how are you? |
| 05:36.12 | dpkg | netdaemon: pretty good. how about you? |
| 05:36.23 | netdaemon | .. |
| 05:36.25 | netdaemon | how are you? |
| 05:36.25 | dpkg | just great, netdaemon |
| 05:36.28 | netdaemon | neat |
| 05:36.29 | netdaemon | lol |
| 05:36.32 | netdaemon | the bot is smart :P |
| 05:36.39 | jim | greeted by a package tool |
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| 05:37.30 | netdaemon | didn't know supybot had those capabilities |
| 05:37.59 | icesword | niihau |
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| 05:39.16 | liable | haven't seen dpkg do that before.. |
| 05:39.26 | icesword | ? |
| 05:40.09 | netdaemon | how are you? |
| 05:40.09 | dpkg | netdaemon: you know how it is... |
| 05:40.11 | netdaemon | lol |
| 05:40.27 | netdaemon | he's being friendly today =) |
| 05:40.35 | kiko_ | Is there any place that shows what programs are being installed by 'Standard System' in software selection of installer? |
| 05:40.35 | jim | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 05:40.43 | icesword | how are you |
| 05:40.43 | dpkg | peachy, icesword |
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| 05:41.13 | netdaemon | dpkg is in fact, a bot |
| 05:41.14 | netdaemon | lol |
| 05:41.19 | netdaemon | !ping |
| 05:41.19 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:41.20 | netdaemon | see |
| 05:41.24 | jim | kiko_: standard system is everything in base, everything required, everything standard |
| 05:41.28 | icesword | bot? |
| 05:41.31 | jim | dpkg: bot? |
| 05:41.31 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 05:41.40 | icesword | dpkg, are you stupid? |
| 05:41.40 | dpkg | yeah |
| 05:41.44 | netdaemon | rofl |
| 05:41.45 | icesword | see |
| 05:42.10 | kiko_ | jim: thanks. i'd like to know the list of programs/packages name. |
| 05:42.52 | jim | so find the list of base packages, the list of required packages and the list of standard package. the standard system is the union of those three sets. |
| 05:42.58 | icesword | dpkg, how old are you? |
| 05:42.59 | dpkg | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 05:43.19 | icedtea | dpkg, woman? |
| 05:43.19 | dpkg | it has been said that woman is do a 'man woman' (apt-get install funny-manpages) |
| 05:43.32 | icesword | ohhhh |
| 05:44.11 | jim | icesword: or /msg dpkg how old are you |
| 05:44.16 | icesword | okoko.stop it,now,anyone want to know more,just /msg bot |
| 05:44.26 | jim | icedtea, or /msg dpkg woman |
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| 05:44.57 | icesword | jim, the answer to same question is n;t same ? |
| 05:45.03 | icesword | i mean dpkg |
| 05:45.07 | ross` | i have errors on my system so i reboot |
| 05:45.22 | ross` | its fine for about 20 minutes then it suddenly goes into readonly mode |
| 05:45.30 | ross` | no restart just does into readonly |
| 05:45.33 | ross` | so i restart again |
| 05:45.38 | ross` | its ok for about a half hour |
| 05:45.41 | jim | icesword: it is the same except one person sees it instead of 747 |
| 05:45.42 | ross` | tthen suddenly goes readonly |
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| 05:46.33 | jim | ross`: you might want to rule out the possibility your drive is dying |
| 05:46.40 | netdaemon | epiphany is kind of nice |
| 05:47.55 | EtherNet | does aterm supports antiliasing fonts? |
| 05:48.34 | jim | EtherNet: how would you go about finding that out? |
| 05:48.53 | EtherNet | maybe someone is already using that |
| 05:49.01 | jim | and? :) |
| 05:49.08 | jim | the question still stands :) |
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| 05:52.58 | contrast83 | Greets, everyone... |
| 05:53.00 | kiko_ | jim: hmm i still can't find where the 'base packages' are. I'm looking at http://packages.debian.org |
| 05:53.16 | contrast83 | Anyone know if Sid's version of X has xcb enabled? |
| 05:54.06 | icedtea | ross': http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/download.htm |
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| 05:54.16 | icedtea | ross`: drive fitness test by hitachi |
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| 05:55.34 | jim | kiko_: the base packages are those needed at minimum to be a debian system... so if you install debian and absolutely nothing extra, you have only the base. supposedly enough to support text console, hd, ide and scsi cdrom and networking (all of which contingent upon existing support). the base of debian additionally is -just- enough to install more packages. |
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| 05:57.55 | tarkus | jim, aah, thanks. do you think its a good idea for a project? i just want to see if people would be interested that community. you think it could be active and successful? |
| 05:57.58 | jim | packages which are "optional" or "extra" are outside the standard system. One thing that is optional is any kind of graphic display system, like x window system |
| 05:59.16 | jim | tarkus: why not? you'll have to do whatever promotion work necessary to make it popular, active and successful. |
| 05:59.55 | kiko_ | jim: thanks for explanation. i guess standard will contains such as perl, less, vi..etc. |
| 06:00.25 | jim | perl-base is in base... probably perl is standard, so yes. |
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| 06:00.36 | jim | whether less is there, dunno, since there is more. |
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| 06:00.51 | jim | and also unknown whether vi is there. |
| 06:00.55 | jim | have you checked? |
| 06:01.03 | kiko_ | how can i figure out then? |
| 06:01.21 | jim | packages.debian.org doesnt tell you? |
| 06:02.23 | kiko_ | jim: maybe i missed.. i'll try again |
| 06:03.17 | jim | yeah, I tried one package, and it didn't report what section a package is in |
| 06:03.21 | tarkus | jim, yeah. so you think that if i implement it well and market it properly, it can be something good? (its something i would be interested in. but im not sure if a lot of people would join such a website) |
| 06:04.00 | jim | tarkus: you've just described most people who are thinking about starting a web site |
| 06:04.26 | tarkus | jim, heh, yeah i can see that. |
| 06:04.33 | tarkus | :P |
| 06:05.46 | jim | openacs, btw, is not the only web toolkit available... it's got a substantial learning curve... and it's got one of the most tested of the toolkit data models out there |
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| 06:06.09 | tarkus | im going to build the site based on the django web framework |
| 06:06.15 | tarkus | (python) |
| 06:06.59 | tarkus | but before i do any development, i want to find out if its worth it, and enough people would become members. |
| 06:07.34 | tarkus | nothing worse then working hard at building the thing, and then its innacive and noone is interested. |
| 06:07.40 | jim | I have a suggestion from the original acs... implement the very simplest thing that still does what you want |
| 06:08.01 | jim | read the book "Refactoring" |
| 06:08.16 | jim | you might need to do that from time to time |
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| 06:09.41 | kiko_ | jim: finally :D http://bugs.qa.debian.org/standard-full.html |
| 06:11.03 | jim | so that list knows how to find them |
| 06:11.10 | jim | meaning... it's still possible :) |
| 06:12.05 | jim | I think it's possible to find out how that page works |
| 06:13.11 | kiko_ | thanks jim. i'm not cutting them down. just curious what they install before 'click' to continue. |
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| 06:22.20 | fmatthew5876 | has anyone has issues with xen freezing on boot? Right after the boot message (Xen) Relinquishing VGA console. No more console output appears on the screen and the linux kernel does not boot |
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| 06:23.02 | Varanger | What could be wrong? |
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| 07:09.00 | icesword | someone has a look at this,does it make sense |
| 07:09.02 | icesword | http://foolcontrol.org/?p=133 |
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| 07:12.06 | jim | icesword: is it a debian package? |
| 07:12.33 | icesword | no,it isn't |
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| 07:12.42 | icesword | it is just a name is vmnet |
| 07:12.43 | jim | !ask |
| 07:12.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:13.02 | icesword | sir,what would you like to know |
| 07:14.45 | icesword | seems it is a vmware issue,i will work out myself |
| 07:15.00 | jim | is this your site? |
| 07:15.28 | icesword | hmm,it isn't |
| 07:15.43 | icesword | i just googled lenny 2.6.22 |
| 07:15.48 | jim | what is the -question- you wish to ask |
| 07:15.56 | jim | !sicco |
| 07:15.56 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 07:16.32 | icesword | just as it said,how to 2.6.22 kernel work with lenny |
| 07:16.36 | icesword | make |
| 07:17.21 | jim | so did you try it? |
| 07:17.58 | icesword | i haven't,there is no vmnet in windows version vmware dir |
| 07:18.10 | icesword | only a vmnet.sys |
| 07:18.34 | jim | ok... it's pretty clear that you're interested in accomplishing something specific |
| 07:18.40 | jim | do I have that part correct? |
| 07:18.59 | icesword | what part? |
| 07:19.32 | jim | have a nice evening... I'm gonna get something to eat |
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| 07:19.40 | icesword | ok,nope |
| 07:20.52 | jim | small hint for future: /msg dpkg sicco, /msg dpkg ask, /msg dpkg smart questions, /msg dpkg research, /msg dpkg cooperation in asking for help |
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| 07:25.42 | mosty | is there a way to get the sun java browser plugin to work with iceweasel on an amd64 install? |
| 07:26.29 | jim | can you install sun java compiled for amd64? |
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| 07:27.12 | jim | when you say "is there a way to get ____ to work" I'm guessing something doesn't work? |
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| 07:28.10 | mosty | jim, sun java packages exist for amd64, they work fine but they do not include the browser plugin |
| 07:28.35 | jim | oh, is that true? I thought the plugin was included in the jre |
| 07:28.47 | maligor | not for amd64 |
| 07:28.53 | mosty | jim, it is in the i386 packages, but not for amd64 |
| 07:29.03 | maligor | the amd64 java package is only the server vm too |
| 07:29.31 | jim | so there's no client-side java for amd64? |
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| 07:30.18 | jim | what about that make-jpkg thing? does it support recent amd64 sun java? |
| 07:30.42 | maligor | that's what sun ships |
| 07:31.03 | mosty | jim, sun don't ship a 64bit browser plugin |
| 07:31.13 | maligor | java 7 has a amd64 plugin I think |
| 07:32.00 | jim | mosty: hmm, so that was a thought process you could have helped on :) |
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| 07:37.27 | mosty | maligor, i will try jdk7 |
| 07:37.48 | jim | do you write java? |
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| 07:56.41 | kiko_ | I just installed lenny, if i want to use kernel 2.6.24, do i need to upgrade to sid, or is there other choice? |
| 07:56.54 | matrix | hi |
| 07:57.12 | jim | kiko_: what have you tried so far? |
| 07:57.12 | matrix | i cant add eth0:1 in interface file .. |
| 07:57.17 | matrix | i need example command :( |
| 07:57.18 | jim | why? |
| 07:57.36 | mosty | matrix, works for me. just put eth0:1 wherever you would have eth0 normally |
| 07:57.37 | kiko_ | jim: i've tried google :) |
| 07:58.12 | matrix | can you send me interface file |
| 07:58.15 | Tapout | kiko, i had a problem with a new nic (marvell) .. guy told me to upgrade to lenny, see if that worked... didn't, then install the sid kernel, that worked perfectly |
| 07:58.15 | matrix | mosty, ? |
| 07:58.16 | jim | and what kernel do you have for lenny? |
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| 07:58.38 | kiko_ | jim: 2.6.22 |
| 07:58.42 | mosty | matrix, i don't have it handy. it's literally the same as a regular interfaces file, you can use eth0:1 for an interface name |
| 07:59.01 | kiko_ | i want 2.6.24 in order to work s2ram properly on this laptop |
| 07:59.04 | jim | matrix, man 5 interfaces |
| 07:59.35 | mosty | kiko_, you could compile your own kernel if lenny doesn't have one new enough for you |
| 08:00.05 | Tapout | kiko, trust me.. go grab the linux-image deb file for sid, install it, reboot, works flawlessly |
| 08:00.50 | kiko_ | mosty: one from kernel.org? so i guess there's debian kernel patch in apt.. |
| 08:01.08 | mosty | kiko_, regular kernels from kernel.org work fine |
| 08:01.22 | matrix | #auto eth0:1 |
| 08:01.22 | matrix | #iface eth0:1 inet static |
| 08:01.22 | matrix | # address 24.182.139.76 |
| 08:01.22 | matrix | # netmask 255.255.255.248 |
| 08:01.22 | matrix | # network 24.182.139.72 |
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| 08:01.32 | matrix | is it correct ? |
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| 08:01.47 | jim | matrix: use the pastebin |
| 08:01.53 | matrix | oki |
| 08:01.54 | kiko_ | Tapout: thanks for your suggestion. though i prefer build my own. |
| 08:01.57 | matrix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.09 | jim | np, I'm saying use it now |
| 08:02.40 | jim | have you read man 5 interfaces yet? |
| 08:02.47 | matrix | http://rafb.net/p/HSZVgO47.html |
| 08:02.48 | kiko_ | mosty: thanks, that's cleaner :) |
| 08:02.56 | matrix | i cant understand 5 interfaces |
| 08:03.21 | mosty | kiko_, you can use kernel-package / make-kpkg to build .deb packages too |
| 08:03.26 | jim | matrix: read it again... btw... what does # mean? (others: shh!) |
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| 08:03.33 | jim | please, let him do it |
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| 08:05.35 | hoxu | matrix, what's the problem? /etc/network/interfaces is just a regular text file |
| 08:06.03 | matrix | hoxu, : i want to add secondery ip on this debian .. |
| 08:06.17 | hoxu | matrix, to same network as the primary one? |
| 08:06.20 | matrix | i can use ifconfig eth0:1 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 but .. |
| 08:06.23 | matrix | it s manuel , |
| 08:06.36 | matrix | i want to add network interface.. |
| 08:06.42 | hoxu | matrix, tell us the ip/masks of both IPs you want to use |
| 08:06.45 | kiko_ | mosty: i'm still confusing about general idea of stable/testing/unstable in debian... |
| 08:07.21 | LimCore | kiko_: they vary in level of lagging behind upstream |
| 08:07.22 | jim | kiko_: tell him how specifically you're confused, maybe he can comment after that |
| 08:07.46 | mosty | kiko_, generally i would only recommend running stable on production machines, and unstable for a personal/home machine |
| 08:08.07 | jim | LimCore: ahh, a -useful- description :P |
| 08:08.22 | hoxu | generally, you don't recommend running unstable at all. |
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| 08:08.43 | jim | mosty: I hope you back up your entire hd pretty often... |
| 08:08.57 | kiko_ | i want to keep most program(like x) versions at lenny(testing), but some (like kernel, clisp) i want to use more recent |
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| 08:10.29 | kiko_ | i'm converting from gentoo, and it was like 'unmask' package that is masked as unstable by maintainer to install recent versions. |
| 08:11.02 | hoxu | !tell kiko_ about upgrade path |
| 08:11.22 | hoxu | kiko_, not universal truth, but anyway... as for kernel, you could grab one from kernel.org and use kernel-package |
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| 08:11.58 | jim | if someone wants to run unstable... more power to em... but: it's considered unsuitable for real work. the people who install unstable are interested in reporting the problems they find in a concise way so that a maintainer will be able to fix it |
| 08:12.06 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:12.57 | kiko_ | hoxu: thank you. backports seems the one i'm looking for. |
| 08:14.52 | Ametrine | morning |
| 08:15.02 | kiko_ | hoxu: and will use kernel-package for custom builds. seems great so far :) |
| 08:15.30 | jim | the backports people try to make sure things work in the env the backport targets |
| 08:15.30 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 08:15.31 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 08:24.34 | jim | kiko_, where are you at so far with finding, installing and/or building the kernel you want? |
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| 08:26.28 | kiko_ | jim: been reading about simple sid backport (just found out backports.org is mainly for etch) |
| 08:27.34 | kiko_ | and wishing i won't have dependencies trouble with this simple sid backport way.. |
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| 08:31.20 | yigal_ | what if anything should I do to mount a fat16 sd card ? |
| 08:31.41 | yigal_ | I'm having realy problems |
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| 08:32.02 | yigal_ | mount: wrong fs type, etc.,... |
| 08:32.19 | mosty | yigal_, use vfat for the fs type |
| 08:32.35 | yigal_ | yes, that is what I used :( |
| 08:33.03 | orveldv | kiko_: I came from gentoo myself ; if you find stable/testing/unstable confusing you could have a look at the ftp mirrors structure http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.en.html |
| 08:33.16 | jim | yigal_: are you sure what the fs is? |
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| 08:34.12 | yigal_ | jim: well from fdisk -l that's what I know |
| 08:34.13 | hoxu | yigal_, what does file -s /dev/whatever say? |
| 08:34.40 | jim | ok, so the one-byte code translates to fat16 |
| 08:34.55 | yigal_ | /dev/mmcblk1: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x6, active, starthead 3, startsector 243, 2011725 sectors |
| 08:35.38 | mosty | yigal, show us the mount command you are trying |
| 08:35.45 | jim | so you need to know what's really there |
| 08:35.58 | kiko_ | orveldv: thanks for the link. |
| 08:36.29 | jim | answer mosty's question too |
| 08:36.35 | yigal | hmm, well I've just been using, mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk1 test_folder |
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| 08:36.59 | jim | as what user? |
| 08:37.18 | yigal | I also tried, mount -t vfat -o -o context=system_u:object_r:removable_t /dev/mmcblk1 test_folder |
| 08:37.35 | mosty | yigal, what kernel is this? why my card readers, it always appears as a scsi disk |
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| 08:37.51 | yigal | 2.6.22-2-amd64 |
| 08:37.55 | jim | also what's your pwd? |
| 08:38.17 | jim | (you might have to put a space or something) |
| 08:38.35 | yigal | jim?, I'm at /root with the PATH containing . |
| 08:38.43 | jim | .? |
| 08:38.47 | yigal | pwd |
| 08:38.47 | jim | for root? |
| 08:38.49 | kiko_ | 'simple sid backport' is bascially compile from source(apt-get -b)? hmm dejavu.. |
| 08:39.17 | yigal | jim, yes, it's my lappi, I like having pwd in my PATH |
| 08:39.23 | yigal | ? |
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| 08:39.37 | jim | just so's ya know... . in root's $PATH is a not good idea :) |
| 08:39.51 | yigal | for security reasons ? |
| 08:39.53 | jim | so test_folder is in /root? |
| 08:39.55 | jim | yeah |
| 08:40.01 | jim | for security reasons |
| 08:40.04 | yigal | yes |
| 08:40.20 | yacc | kiko_: on way for what you want, it's quite unscientific, is to have testing and unstable source, testing set as default, and use apt-get -t unstable selectivly when upgrading/installing stuff. |
| 08:40.23 | jim | what happens if you leave out -t vfat |
| 08:40.36 | matrix | no it s doesnt work |
| 08:40.37 | matrix | :( |
| 08:40.40 | matrix | i cant , |
| 08:40.43 | yacc | kiko_: you have to watch out what else from unstable gets pulled, but it works quite well for a desktop box, IMHO. |
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| 08:40.59 | yigal | jim: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 08:41.35 | jim | so the system is not able to autodetect the filesystem type |
| 08:41.44 | matrix | Can you look this guy ? |
| 08:41.45 | matrix | http://rafb.net/p/oKLuV059.html |
| 08:41.50 | yigal | jim: right, there is something not quite right |
| 08:42.03 | jetscreamer | check the partition type maybe |
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| 08:42.47 | hoxu | yigal, having "." in $PATH is one of the most stupid things to do :p |
| 08:43.06 | yigal | jim: I tried, setpci -s 02:05.1 4c.b=0x02 |
| 08:43.06 | matrix | :( |
| 08:43.09 | matrix | help me pls.. |
| 08:43.16 | yigal | hoxu: please explain :) |
| 08:43.16 | jim | matrix: what's the problem |
| 08:43.27 | matrix | http://rafb.net/p/oKLuV059.html |
| 08:43.27 | wols_ | !tell matrix about sicco |
| 08:43.33 | matrix | it is not work |
| 08:43.35 | jim | did that :) |
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| 08:43.41 | wols_ | !tell matrix about doesn't work |
| 08:44.02 | matrix | :( |
| 08:44.04 | jim | in fact, I -wrote- sicco! |
| 08:44.22 | icesword | lol |
| 08:44.22 | hoxu | yigal, not much explanation needed, you are making yourself vulnerable when listing contents in every single directory whose contents you don't solely control, or when doing pretty much anything in those directories |
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| 08:44.41 | jim | icesword: it's funny... and it's the truth :) |
| 08:44.42 | dasunt | I want to verify a few packages on my machine. |
| 08:44.53 | icesword | hmmm |
| 08:44.55 | dasunt | How would I go about doing that? Making sure the packages match what the database has? |
| 08:44.59 | wols_ | !tell dasunt about debsums |
| 08:45.04 | yigal | hoxu: so what your suggesting is that for security reasons only absolute path names should be used? |
| 08:45.17 | jim | I also wrote: research, and: cooperation in asking for help |
| 08:45.17 | hoxu | !tell dasunt about compromise check |
| 08:45.18 | grand_grunt | yigal: If there is a "ls" program in current dir, it runs with your rights when you just try to see wat's there |
| 08:45.37 | dasunt | Danke. |
| 08:45.42 | jim | yigal: correct. |
| 08:45.43 | hoxu | yigal, absolutely so :) |
| 08:46.09 | yigal | hoxu: ok, well then bash completion is even more of a blessing than I originally thought :) |
| 08:46.16 | dasunt | Trying to track down an error I think is related to one of the xlibs. |
| 08:46.21 | hoxu | yigal, well, './' is not *that* much more to type |
| 08:46.24 | mosty | yigal, on a multiuser system where you can't trust the other users, and will be poking around in their directories- yes |
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| 08:46.52 | jim | people still trust shell users? |
| 08:47.06 | jetscreamer | what is trust |
| 08:47.38 | mosty | jim, if i'm sharing a machine with someone i trust- yes |
| 08:47.43 | jim | there's no such thing... the word you're thinking of is thrust... and you do that when they ask for a shell acct :) |
| 08:47.52 | yigal | any ideas on my SD card? :) |
| 08:48.20 | hoxu | trust is having faith that within the "there's an exploit in the wild and the server isn't patched" time frames, the users are either ignorant, too stupid, or uninterested in exploiting it ;) |
| 08:48.43 | jim | yigal: one thing that was interesting is your filesystem starts on sector 3 of the partition? |
| 08:48.45 | jetscreamer | oh, that |
| 08:49.09 | jetscreamer | i thought that was me being lazy |
| 08:49.13 | yigal | jim: it was partitioned by a digital camera |
| 08:49.38 | yigal | jim: I used fdisk to partition it, but the camera couldn't read my partioning so I let it partition it again |
| 08:49.55 | jetscreamer | sounds like my hp camera |
| 08:50.25 | mosty | yigal, do you have another card reader that you can try? |
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| 08:50.34 | jim | I wonder if there is a mount option that says "start on this other sector" |
| 08:50.41 | yigal | mosty: unfortunately not |
| 08:51.00 | yigal | sbsector |
| 08:51.00 | icesword | hehe.that is smart |
| 08:51.04 | yigal | ? |
| 08:51.12 | yigal | jim: I'll try |
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| 08:52.06 | jim | isn't there a tune called GeorgeA on my Mind? |
| 08:52.15 | jetscreamer | georgia |
| 08:52.19 | jim | oh :) |
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| 08:53.54 | yigal | I give up, a usb cable connected to the camera works but I wanted to get this card reader working :) |
| 08:54.10 | maligor | what card reader? |
| 08:54.28 | yigal | maligor: just an SD card reader |
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| 08:54.36 | jetscreamer | some have their own kernel modules i think |
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| 08:54.44 | jim | I bought a cheapo card reader... I dn't have cards or a camera yet :) |
| 08:55.00 | yigal | oh, I have one on the multipurpose scanner/copier/printer/coffee maker hp printer |
| 08:55.02 | hoxu | yigal, so hum, you don't know the brand or anything? |
| 08:55.04 | maligor | I have a semi-expensive cf card reader |
| 08:55.13 | jetscreamer | i keep meaning to hook one up but i just do it through the camera and usb anyway |
| 08:55.26 | maligor | yigal, oh, that might use something else than standard usb mass |
| 08:55.51 | yigal | hoxu: of the SD card, it's Kingston? or the reader SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd |
| 08:55.51 | jim | mass of the mess? |
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| 08:56.02 | jetscreamer | mass storage |
| 08:56.32 | jetscreamer | new way to take off pounds? |
| 08:56.39 | jetscreamer | convient closet? |
| 08:56.43 | yigal | jim: definately mess |
| 08:56.46 | hoxu | yigal, assuming you haven't done so yet, maybe you could go googling and see if anyone else has had problems with the same thingy :) |
| 08:56.55 | jim | mess storage? |
| 08:56.57 | maligor | might be a driver named hp-unload |
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| 08:57.13 | yigal | I believe from lsmod, mmc_core 34824 3 tifm_sd,mmc_block,sdhci are used |
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| 08:57.19 | jetscreamer | also has one on the hp |
| 08:57.26 | maligor | http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/inkjet_aio.html |
| 08:57.28 | yigal | jetscreamer: I will try that |
| 08:57.33 | damion | im trying to install mythtv but im getting dependency errors that i cant sort out |
| 08:57.47 | yigal | maligor: exactly hilarious, it has everything, except a blender |
| 08:58.05 | jetscreamer | damion: maybe non-free stuff but i'm guessing |
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| 08:58.17 | jetscreamer | damn fine br you did thar |
| 08:58.19 | maligor | yeah, and hp's tend to work too |
| 08:58.48 | damion | jetscreamer, as far as i can tell i need to install something called libfftw3--dev |
| 08:59.02 | damion | but i cant find it |
| 08:59.16 | jetscreamer | !find libfft |
| 08:59.16 | yigal | maligor: yes, hp worked right away |
| 08:59.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libfft' (4 of 6): (/usr/lib/libfft.so) in devel/mffm-fftw-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libfft.so.1) in libs/mffm-fftw1c2 ;; (/usr/lib/{libfftw3.a|libfftw3.la|libfftw3.so|...}) in libdevel/libfftw3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libfftw3.so.3|libfftw3.so.3.1.2|libfftw3_threads.so.3|...}) in libs/libfftw3-3. |
| 08:59.24 | jetscreamer | fast fourier transform? |
| 08:59.32 | jim | yigal: so you did it? |
| 08:59.50 | jetscreamer | !info libfftw3-3 |
| 08:59.52 | yigal | jim: 1/2 way, because my lappi's doesn't work |
| 08:59.54 | dpkg | libfftw3-3: (library for computing Fast Fourier Transforms), section libs, is optional. Version: 3.1.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1050 kB, Installed size: 2612 kB |
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| 09:00.13 | jetscreamer | !info libfftw3-3 etch |
| 09:00.16 | yigal | jim: but I'm too tired to work it out |
| 09:00.24 | damion | is there a repository i need to add to install it? |
| 09:00.27 | jetscreamer | err that shouldn't work |
| 09:00.57 | nekostar | !defrag |
| 09:00.57 | dpkg | defrag is, like, generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 09:01.10 | yigal | jim: thanks for all the help same for hoxu and maligor |
| 09:01.17 | jetscreamer | !info fftw-dev etch |
| 09:01.19 | dpkg | fftw-dev: (library for computing Fast Fourier Transforms), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.1.3-20 (etch), Packaged size: 254 kB, Installed size: 756 kB |
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| 09:01.37 | hoxu | maligor, you can have my share of thanks if I can have your share of cookies - deal? :p |
| 09:01.52 | maligor | I only have coffee |
| 09:02.00 | maligor | Cookies ran out in 1961 |
| 09:02.24 | yigal | !beer everyone |
| 09:02.24 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for everyone |
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| 09:03.32 | yigal | well, that's it for me |
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| 09:03.58 | damion | i have fftw3-dev installed but apt keeps saying i need libfftw3-dev |
| 09:04.16 | wols_ | damion: then install it? |
| 09:04.25 | damion | i cant find it.... |
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| 09:05.06 | wols_ | damion: it's not in etch but in sid for example. where did you get the libfftw3? |
| 09:05.07 | dutchfish | hi where should i address this question: Looking at the current development of lenny, it seams the debian developers want to stick to 2.6.22 rather then going along with the newer stable kernels making it for allot of hardware obsolete even before its relase. Why was decision made, because from the kernel developers standpoint (look at: http://lwn.net/Articles/248195/) this make no sense? (if this is offtopic in here please feel free to redi |
| 09:05.07 | dutchfish | rect me) |
| 09:05.29 | damion | i dont have libfftw3, thats what im trying to do |
| 09:05.30 | mosty | dutchfish, see www.backports.org |
| 09:05.43 | jetscreamer | !info libfftw3-dev |
| 09:05.45 | dpkg | libfftw3-dev: (library for computing Fast Fourier Transforms), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 3.1.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1454 kB, Installed size: 4912 kB |
| 09:05.48 | wols_ | damion: then the dev pacakge for it won't help you |
| 09:05.51 | damion | do i need to ad a sid repository? |
| 09:06.01 | jetscreamer | it's in testing also |
| 09:06.11 | wols_ | damion: no. if you install binaries from sid, you break your debian |
| 09:06.14 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libfftw&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 09:06.18 | wols_ | !tell damion about backport |
| 09:06.19 | wols_ | !tell damion about backports |
| 09:06.22 | hoxu | dutchfish, some mailing list perhaps? |
| 09:06.26 | jim | add acid repo? |
| 09:06.32 | jetscreamer | !tell damion -about simple sid backport |
| 09:06.44 | damion | i have the backports repo in my sources.list |
| 09:07.04 | jetscreamer | then it's not backported for her pleasure |
| 09:07.07 | jetscreamer | i guess |
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| 09:08.10 | wols_ | !wayttd damion |
| 09:08.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, damion? |
| 09:08.19 | damion | install mythtv |
| 09:08.19 | jetscreamer | i should go clean that house |
| 09:08.30 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 09:08.30 | dutchfish | mosty, i thought backports is for code that was not available when the version came out? |
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| 09:08.40 | jetscreamer | you must be getting the backported version |
| 09:08.48 | jetscreamer | do you have marillat's? |
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| 09:09.08 | jetscreamer | might be there maybe |
| 09:09.19 | wols_ | damion: where did you get your mythtv? |
| 09:09.22 | jim | dutchfish: may or may not have been available... but not released with it, certainly |
| 09:09.52 | mosty | dutchfish, stable has to stop taking in new packages at some point, the kernel has to be fixed early on because lots of packages depend on it. backports is another option if you need newer packages |
| 09:09.54 | damion | im trying to install it with apt-get |
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| 09:10.09 | CruX | hi, how can i purge all uninstalled programs ? |
| 09:10.19 | damion | and synaptic |
| 09:10.40 | wols_ | CruX: manually |
| 09:10.51 | jetscreamer | CruX: that is so simple using dselect it's pathetic |
| 09:10.55 | damion | but its not installing because of the missing dependency |
| 09:11.03 | wols_ | damion: doesn't matter. where did you get your myhttv version |
| 09:11.08 | jim | CruX: (1) get a list of all uninstalled programs... (2) for each item of the list from 1, purge. |
| 09:11.12 | dutchfish | mosty, right, if that is the reason, i am still not sure about that, looking at Sarges history where this was not the case |
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| 09:11.28 | jetscreamer | damion: enable the debian-multimedia and use that mythtv version is what i would look at |
| 09:11.33 | dutchfish | mosty, i suppose there must be some strong reason? |
| 09:11.34 | damion | wols_ im trying to install mythtv via apt or synaptic |
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| 09:11.43 | wols_ | damion: answer my question! |
| 09:11.46 | damion | enable? |
| 09:12.00 | jetscreamer | jim: in dselect you just highlight the uninstalled programs category and hit _ |
| 09:12.01 | damion | i answered it twice wols_ |
| 09:12.03 | mosty | dutchfish, sarge did freeze with a particular kernel version too |
| 09:12.07 | wols_ | damion: no you did not |
| 09:12.11 | wols_ | !info mythtv etch |
| 09:12.19 | jetscreamer | wols_: yeah he did |
| 09:12.20 | dutchfish | mosty, yes, but lenny is not frozen (yet) |
| 09:12.23 | wols_ | 10:12 <dpkg> Package 'mythtv' does not exist. |
| 09:12.28 | wols_ | jetscreamer: no he did not |
| 09:12.31 | CruX | wols_: it can't be done automaticaly ? something like dpkg -l | grep purge...... | xargs dpkg -r ? |
| 09:12.36 | jetscreamer | mythtv is on marillat's for etch |
| 09:12.51 | wols_ | then he could say "from marillat" |
| 09:12.51 | damion | marillat? |
| 09:12.53 | jetscreamer | wols_: i saw him twice... can't swear it was in response to you, but he did |
| 09:12.59 | dutchfish | mosty, and kernel updates come in much faster then before |
| 09:13.00 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 09:13.00 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 09:13.02 | wols_ | "from synaptic" is not an answer |
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| 09:13.17 | wols_ | jetscreamer: he doesn't know what marillat is so I doubt what you blabber here |
| 09:13.32 | dutchfish | mosty, but sorry if this is all offptopic |
| 09:13.35 | wols_ | damion: from which URL do you try to get your mythtv=? |
| 09:13.45 | mosty | dutchfish, probably best discussed on one of the mailing lists |
| 09:13.54 | jetscreamer | wols_: if so how did i know to look for mythtv on marillat's debian-multimedia package listing one might wonder |
| 09:13.54 | jim | so... you're waiting for him to form the question? |
| 09:13.57 | dutchfish | mosty, ok |
| 09:14.07 | jetscreamer | wols_: do /lastlog mythtv |
| 09:14.09 | mosty | dutchfish, but basically they have to freeze with some kernel version, and there will always be newer versions |
| 09:14.27 | wols_ | jetscreamer: < damion> wols_ im trying to install mythtv via apt or synaptic |
| 09:14.28 | dutchfish | mosty, jim, thank you for your input |
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| 09:14.47 | damion | wols your question doesnt make sense to me. im using apt and synaptic. there are several urls in my sources.list. |
| 09:14.49 | jetscreamer | wols_: i'm just saying the what, not the from where |
| 09:14.50 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 09:15.00 | wols_ | damion: apt-cache policy <mythtv package> |
| 09:15.35 | jetscreamer | he got it from backports.org probably |
| 09:15.50 | damion | i do have a backports url in my sources |
| 09:15.50 | jetscreamer | and should have gotten it from debian-multimedia.. but i'm guessing |
| 09:15.56 | wols_ | jetscreamer: stop conjecturing and muddying the waters if you don't have a clue |
| 09:16.01 | damion | and i also have a debian-multimedia |
| 09:16.09 | wols_ | damion: give me the output of that command |
| 09:16.11 | jetscreamer | but you see i do, i do, i do have a clue |
| 09:16.21 | damion | what command wols? |
| 09:16.26 | wols_ | 10:15 < wols_> damion: apt-cache policy <mythtv package> |
| 09:16.27 | jetscreamer | and i'll quote poetry to you |
| 09:16.31 | jetscreamer | stfu's |
| 09:16.38 | jim | but yee su i dee? |
| 09:16.42 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 09:16.49 | jetscreamer | @u |
| 09:16.51 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://wooledge.org/~greg/uf20041201.png |
| 09:16.59 | jetscreamer | oops |
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| 09:17.08 | jim | :P |
| 09:17.27 | jim | quoetry |
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| 09:17.29 | jetscreamer | @owner |
| 09:17.30 | ravenbird | simonrvn |
| 09:18.08 | dutchfish | hands jetscreamer a link about poetry: http://lkmltimes.brucalipto.org/news/poetry-in-kernel-documentation/ |
| 09:18.21 | kiko_ | yacc: sorry for late reply. so far i got: APT::Default-Release "testing"; in apt.conf, then -t unstable foo to install from sid. pinning it to prevent continuous upgrades. thanks a lot. :) |
| 09:19.20 | jetscreamer | okie... |
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| 09:19.29 | jetscreamer | good thing they don't quit their day jobs |
| 09:19.35 | jim | kiko_: you could try installing -sources- for packages in sid... but not -binary- packages |
| 09:19.46 | jetscreamer | good thing they write better code than limericks |
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| 09:20.02 | jim | they write code?! |
| 09:20.09 | icesword | er.er,er, |
| 09:20.16 | icesword | i have a question? |
| 09:20.25 | icesword | who created INTERNET? |
| 09:20.30 | jim | Al Gore |
| 09:20.36 | jetscreamer | mit and the military |
| 09:20.38 | wols_ | icesword: do you have a debian related question? |
| 09:20.56 | icesword | ok |
| 09:20.57 | wols_ | jetscreamer: neither |
| 09:20.59 | jim | he wrote it to a floppy and even offered a second floppy copy as a backup |
| 09:21.03 | icesword | my |
| 09:21.12 | kiko_ | jim: you mean i should not use binaries from sid in lenny? i thought i could.. |
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| 09:21.35 | wols_ | kiko_: right up until it blows up into your face |
| 09:21.37 | jetscreamer | kiko_: he really meant you should change all your sources to experimental |
| 09:21.42 | jim | in general, sid and lenny will get further and further apart |
| 09:21.44 | BenoitH | Hi, Where is the logs boot errors under debian ? |
| 09:21.57 | wols_ | BenoitH: /var/log |
| 09:22.06 | BenoitH | Thanks wols_ ;) |
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| 09:23.36 | kiko_ | wols, jetscreamer : okay.. hmm |
| 09:24.04 | jetscreamer | kiko_: and also you should send him all your money |
| 09:24.35 | jetscreamer | and if you own any real estate that's even better |
| 09:24.44 | wols_ | !tell jetscreamer about ot |
| 09:25.09 | jetscreamer | thank god it doesn't pop up or blink at me |
| 09:25.12 | sPHERE^ | Does anyone know how to set startup commands/perform in xchat-gnome? I cant seem to find any answers anywhere |
| 09:25.29 | jetscreamer | like joining servers? |
| 09:25.31 | jetscreamer | or what |
| 09:25.36 | kiko_ | hehe unfortunately i'm broke atm :) |
| 09:25.58 | lianli | Hi, I quit using debian over 4 years ago, but it use to be my maun distro. |
| 09:26.11 | lianli | maun=main |
| 09:26.18 | dutchfish | !tell icesword about arpanet |
| 09:26.19 | jetscreamer | there's a 'connect command' in the server's section when you edit the individual servers |
| 09:26.58 | sPHERE^ | jetscreamer: I used to use 'xchat' and not 'xchat-gnome', and I cant seem to find it anymore |
| 09:27.08 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 09:27.17 | jetscreamer | duh that's a different package |
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| 09:27.33 | icesword | dutchfish, i see that,it is very complex |
| 09:27.38 | jetscreamer | it's the gnome version.. you could install the regular xchat |
| 09:27.45 | jetscreamer | !info xchat2 |
| 09:27.51 | jetscreamer | !info xchat |
| 09:27.56 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 299 kB, Installed size: 728 kB |
| 09:28.01 | sPHERE^ | so, it isn't possible to set startup commands in xchat-gnome? |
| 09:28.02 | dutchfish | icesword, back then it was simple, but i admit it got complex ;) |
| 09:28.05 | jetscreamer | !info xchat-gnome |
| 09:28.06 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 09:28.10 | dpkg | xchat-gnome: (a new frontend to the popular X-Chat IRC client), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:0.18-2 (sid), Packaged size: 309 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
| 09:28.32 | jetscreamer | i know i looked at it and it seemed to not have as much functionality |
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| 09:28.36 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 09:28.39 | jetscreamer | and i didn't like it |
| 09:28.47 | sPHERE^ | Agreed |
| 09:28.54 | jetscreamer | but that was a while ago |
| 09:29.09 | jetscreamer | you can probably edit some .conf somewhere |
| 09:29.15 | sPHERE^ | I could try to insert the command(s) in the .command.conf file or whatever its called now |
| 09:29.15 | sPHERE^ | yes |
| 09:29.30 | sPHERE^ | thanks anyway |
| 09:29.30 | sPHERE^ | :) |
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| 09:30.29 | sPHERE^ | but the thing is, I usually connect to multiple networks, and the command I wish to use, only concern the quakenet network, and not the others |
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| 09:31.32 | hoxu | sPHERE^, #xchat perhaps |
| 09:31.59 | jetscreamer | well in the regular xchat you can specify commands in each server's section so you must be able to in that one somewhow... |
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| 09:32.27 | sPHERE^ | i thought so too.. oh well, i'll keep looking |
| 09:32.40 | nekostar | gnome-xchat failz |
| 09:32.45 | nekostar | xchat is good tho |
| 09:32.49 | nekostar | irssi is popular |
| 09:32.52 | nekostar | kvirc is fail |
| 09:33.50 | hoxu | !start an irc client war |
| 09:33.50 | dpkg | ScrollZ is crap |
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| 09:34.32 | nekostar | lol |
| 09:34.32 | gahan | how do i configure an interface to map a class of IPs to avoid creating multiply interfaces? |
| 09:35.31 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.55 | hoxu | gahan, dunno, but you can assign more IPs to interfaces with "ip addr add" for example |
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| 09:36.52 | gahan | hoxu: how do i make such configuration permanent? do i have to create seperate start script? |
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| 09:38.06 | orveldv | sorry for going a bit off-topic, but did someone find an app to convert pps files to _anything_ else viewable under linux (without openoffice)? |
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| 09:39.12 | dutchfish | gahan, http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Multiple_IPs |
| 09:39.19 | rEPAIRmASTER | how can i install flash player ?? |
| 09:39.23 | gahan | thanks |
| 09:39.37 | maligor | rEPAIRmASTER, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:40.17 | maligor | it's in contrib |
| 09:40.25 | hoxu | gahan, note that you don't need subinterfaces if the IPs are in same range |
| 09:40.49 | hoxu | gahan, man 5 interfaces and see post-up/pre-down |
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| 09:43.03 | Coke | I'm on Debian testing, just installed ktoon. In the tutorial it says I should be able to select a tool, but the tool dropdowns are all empty, both in the menu and in the toolbar, what do I need to install to get tools for ktoon? |
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| 09:45.00 | maligor | Coke, did you make a new project first?-) |
| 09:45.13 | hoxu | !info ktoon lenny |
| 09:45.17 | dpkg | ktoon: (2D animation toolkit), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-3.1 (lenny), Packaged size: 2462 kB, Installed size: 5936 kB |
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| 09:46.07 | mylxiaoyi | hello all |
| 09:46.08 | Coke | maligor: sure. |
| 09:46.14 | Coke | maligor: no way to get into illustration mode |
| 09:46.18 | maligor | yeah, I just tried, missing brushes and all |
| 09:46.28 | Coke | maligor: a lot of buttons don't work, I cannot remove any scenes either |
| 09:46.29 | maligor | maybe the default home is wrong |
| 09:46.31 | lianli | hi mylxiaoyi |
| 09:47.16 | jim | how is ktoon different and similar to gimp? |
| 09:47.17 | Coke | Don't know, but it's so full of bugs it's not even usable. |
| 09:47.23 | mylxiaoyi | hi lianli |
| 09:47.30 | Coke | jim: it has a better interface for doing animations |
| 09:48.59 | jetscreamer | gah the fuglyfonts |
| 09:49.07 | maligor | Coke, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462013 |
| 09:49.31 | Coke | You sure did find that fast. |
| 09:49.32 | jetscreamer | one thing i don't like about icewm and gnome, they seem to fight over fonts |
| 09:49.44 | jetscreamer | but only in icewm |
| 09:49.48 | maligor | Coke, plugins are in the wrong place :P |
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| 09:52.12 | rEPAIRmASTER | i cant find the flashplugin-nonfree on contrib |
| 09:52.13 | Solid | hello my arp table is showing up same mac with diffrent ip and my debain machine sometimes wont reply to an ping |
| 09:52.19 | Steve_Jobs | Vista is incredible. I love how well it works with my new Zune. |
| 09:52.58 | jetscreamer | so where in houston are you steve |
| 09:53.20 | jetscreamer | Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ... how long do these usually last |
| 09:53.28 | rEPAIRmASTER | i cant find the flashplugin-nonfree on contrib |
| 09:53.37 | Solid | but when i reboot it shows the correct mac with respect to their ips but after few min same mac with diffrent ips |
| 09:53.41 | Coke | maligor: yeah. too bad Toonka chose to make the app so old school with windows inside windows. That sucks |
| 09:53.53 | rEPAIRmASTER | i cant find the flashplugin-nonfree on contrib |
| 09:54.00 | rEPAIRmASTER | how can download ? |
| 09:54.19 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 09:54.19 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 09:54.25 | dutchfish | rEPAIRmASTER, you mean swf-player? |
| 09:55.25 | rEPAIRmASTER | ehm , teh program thts can play games on web.. |
| 09:55.27 | Coke | maligor: now I made it crash. |
| 09:55.45 | Coke | maligor: tkoon should be booted out of testing for now |
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| 09:57.20 | dutchfish | rEPAIRmASTER, apt-cache show swf-player |
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| 10:00.30 | lvh | hello :-) |
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| 10:00.48 | lvh | Does anyone know if it's possible to run wine and/or virtualbox on an x86_64 |
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| 10:00.58 | dutchfish | lvh, yes |
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| 10:01.05 | lvh | dutchfish: okay, thank you :) |
| 10:01.13 | lvh | dutchfish: hard? or simply through binary compatibility |
| 10:01.28 | lvh | dutchfish: and by yes I assume you dont mean "the wine binary runs, it just cant run any win32 apps" |
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| 10:01.35 | dutchfish | lvh, virtualbox is not in main, but aptitude way to install it, its not hard |
| 10:01.54 | lvh | dutchfish: no, i mean, do you need a 32 bit userland somewhere? |
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| 10:01.59 | WP-Gast612 | Hello! I have a question: I want to buy England! How much does it cost? |
| 10:02.00 | Solid | here is my mac table http://pastebin.com/m38b4aac2 |
| 10:02.16 | lvh | dutchfish: I remember back in the day when my athlon 64 was shiny new and you needed a 32 bit chroot to play wmv's |
| 10:02.20 | dutchfish | lvh, that or 64bit, its pretty stable in lenny too |
| 10:02.52 | lvh | dutchfish: okay. so in general you would advise x86_64, even if running apps off of wine is a requirement? |
| 10:03.21 | wols_ | lvh: I usually wouldn't advise amd64 at all |
| 10:03.24 | dutchfish | lvh, 64bit is cleaner code, but its still ehe ... testing (lenny) but its doable |
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| 10:04.22 | dutchfish | lvh, i dont use wine that much, so hard for me to tell how good it is atm in lenny |
| 10:04.48 | WP-Gast612 | HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO BUY ENGLAND? |
| 10:04.53 | dutchfish | lvh, but i do use virtualbox 64bit in lenny, and i like it |
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| 10:05.28 | lvh | amd64 is just a poor name for x86_64, right? |
| 10:05.42 | lvh | as in, debian-installer nightlies will work on my core duo (em64t) |
| 10:05.50 | dutchfish | lvh, ... |
| 10:06.04 | lvh | dutchfish: I'm almost 100% sure, just checking. |
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| 10:06.38 | wols_ | lvh: install etch and upgrade |
| 10:06.54 | wols_ | lvh: nightly installers are never guaranteed to work |
| 10:06.58 | dutchfish | lvh, you would want to delve into upcoming arch merges into kernel ... |
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| 10:07.27 | lkthomas | hey guys |
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| 10:07.40 | lvh | wols_: You mean the first etch offical install media? |
| 10:07.41 | lynucs | hmm.. something curious happens.. using resierfs on lvm for my / and ext2 primary on /boot |
| 10:07.49 | wols_ | lvh: netinstall |
| 10:07.50 | lkthomas | does anyone know how to do full resotre from bacula serveR ? |
| 10:07.53 | lvh | wols_: do those have ahci? |
| 10:07.55 | lynucs | firstly it came to kernel panic |
| 10:08.04 | wols_ | yes |
| 10:08.10 | lynucs | and was told to add boot partition to grub |
| 10:08.13 | wols_ | but if your controller is new /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 10:08.17 | lynucs | i mena root partition sorry |
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| 10:08.40 | lynucs | then i rebooted, wm was loaded and all hung |
| 10:08.57 | lynucs | another boot it hung somewhere at kernelloading |
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| 10:09.07 | lynucs | and now in single user mode i was able to boot# |
| 10:09.20 | lynucs | somewhere i saw that "filesystem ist not clean" |
| 10:09.37 | lynucs | what might cause that curious situation? |
| 10:09.57 | lynucs | one boot --> kernel panic another one just hanging? |
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| 10:12.56 | lynucs | no one any idea? |
| 10:13.30 | dutchfish | !reiserfs |
| 10:13.30 | dpkg | well, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 10:13.57 | lvh | !xfs |
| 10:13.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xfs is "the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or far better and more mature than <reiserfs>, but not as mature (in linux) as <ext3>. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures." |
| 10:14.08 | roxazer | how can i fix this: |
| 10:14.08 | roxazer | # /etc/init.d/ntp start |
| 10:14.09 | roxazer | Starting NTP server: ntpd/usr/sbin/ntpd: invalid option -- p |
| 10:14.09 | roxazer | usage: ntpd [-dSs] [-f file] failed! |
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| 10:14.48 | dutchfish | roxazer, debian etch? |
| 10:14.53 | roxazer | yes |
| 10:14.58 | roxazer | with openntpd |
| 10:15.07 | dutchfish | !tzconfig |
| 10:15.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This ... |
| 10:15.15 | lynucs | dutchfish: hmm.. okay.. so that's "normal" for reiser? :) |
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| 10:15.35 | lvh | thats strange, i thought ntpd's -p option was its pidfile |
| 10:15.36 | dutchfish | lynucs, not normal but it happens often, ... too often |
| 10:15.43 | lvh | no? |
| 10:15.55 | lynucs | dutchfish: is there anything that might help? fsck? |
| 10:16.09 | lynucs | dutchfish: i mean now it has booted, but don't know why :) |
| 10:16.16 | cornmoon_blue | bye all |
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| 10:16.34 | lynucs | dutchfish: so it's certainly not a lvm issue? |
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| 10:16.47 | dutchfish | lynucs, i dont know much about reiserfs but i would google on rebuild tree |
| 10:17.01 | dutchfish | lynucs, or wait someone can handle this |
| 10:17.44 | dutchfish | lynucs, i dont expect lvm2 is the culprit |
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| 10:18.13 | dutchfish | lynucs, but a bad disk is another possibility |
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| 10:18.45 | Danielss89 | damnit, i cant remember what i have to do so that i can use locate |
| 10:18.48 | lynucs | dutchfish: okay.. thx for tipps |
| 10:18.56 | Danielss89 | update db or something like that? |
| 10:19.03 | lynucs | Danielss89: updatedb |
| 10:19.10 | donald_ | some help needed. latest update to Lenny broke my NetworkManager |
| 10:19.17 | Danielss89 | ahh thanks lynucs |
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| 10:19.49 | donald_ | anyone have this problem? |
| 10:20.01 | wols_ | !tell donald_ about anyone |
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| 10:20.45 | donald_ | alright.. |
| 10:21.13 | donald_ | my network manger no longer see my wireless connections on Lenny after last update |
| 10:21.45 | lynucs | donald_: does ifconfig -a shows your wireless device? |
| 10:21.53 | lynucs | s/shows/show |
| 10:21.57 | dutchfish | donald_, does dmesg | grep assertion give any output? |
| 10:22.25 | roxazer | dutchfish: how do i set the date, i cant do date 080322112155 or such? |
| 10:22.28 | donald_ | lynucs: yes |
| 10:22.32 | roxazer | i get invalid date |
| 10:22.51 | dutchfish | roxazer, man date |
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| 10:22.58 | lynucs | donald_: and you connect via iwconfig to your ap? |
| 10:22.59 | donald_ | i can do ifconfig wlan0 up && iwconfig wlan0 essid "myap" && dhclient wlan0 |
| 10:23.04 | lynucs | ok |
| 10:23.13 | donald_ | else i wont be here.. :P |
| 10:23.32 | lynucs | that's all what i had to say about the issue :) never used the networkmanager :) |
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| 10:23.38 | dutchfish | donald_, answer my q |
| 10:23.50 | donald_ | dutchfish: nothing |
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| 10:24.22 | dutchfish | donald_, so it shows up in ifconfig? |
| 10:24.32 | L3nny | hi, does anyone use the newest lenny? |
| 10:24.34 | donald_ | i am using iwl3945 compiled from linuxwireless.org and it's been fine the last few days before some updates to dbus |
| 10:24.45 | L3nny | gdm doesnt start any more |
| 10:25.07 | L3nny | ./etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 10:25.08 | donald_ | dutchfish: wireless and networking works. just networkmanager seems broken |
| 10:25.10 | L3nny | doesnt work |
| 10:25.15 | L3nny | no output |
| 10:25.35 | L3nny | i can only load gdm via startx |
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| 10:25.55 | cahoot | you don't mean gdm then |
| 10:26.01 | roxazer | dutchfish: yeah, %H is hour but i cant set date %H 11 för 11 hour? |
| 10:26.09 | dutchfish | donald_, mmm ... i had same issue wich i solved due to wrong z25 mappings, ask dpkg about z25 |
| 10:26.27 | L3nny | cahoot: dunno |
| 10:26.35 | L3nny | cahoot: looks like gdm |
| 10:26.47 | donald_ | i deleted the z25_persistent-net-rules after every wireless hardware upgrade. i am suspecting dbus maybe? |
| 10:26.58 | donald_ | lenny is not supposed to break like this.. |
| 10:27.13 | dutchfish | donald_, not supposed ... but it does sometimes |
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| 10:27.51 | donald_ | might as well be running Sid. at least i "expect" it to break.. hahahhaa |
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| 10:28.10 | dutchfish | roxazer, just MMDDhhmm |
| 10:28.31 | donald_ | i'm gonna plug in the wired network and see if it's just wireless or nm-applet is broken |
| 10:29.00 | dutchfish | donald_, its networkmanager ... |
| 10:29.27 | donald_ | it's at version 0.6.5 |
| 10:29.32 | dutchfish | donald_, did you try to reinstall it? |
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| 10:29.45 | donald_ | should i add sid to my sources.list and pull the latest version from there? |
| 10:29.47 | spacix | What CTRL+** which key is it again to jump to the start of a line in shell cmdline? |
| 10:29.51 | dutchfish | donald_, no |
| 10:30.07 | dutchfish | donald_, i went that way already, and messed up |
| 10:30.13 | donald_ | aww |
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| 10:30.19 | donald_ | so i just wait till nm is fixed? |
| 10:30.21 | L3nny | dpkg-reconfigure gdm gives the following output |
| 10:30.22 | roxazer | dutchfish: i ran hwclock --systohc, removed /etc/adjtime nad ran hwclock --systohc, right? |
| 10:30.28 | L3nny | Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdminvoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed. |
| 10:30.28 | roxazer | and ran* |
| 10:30.30 | donald_ | BRB... dinner call |
| 10:30.39 | cornmoon_blue | hello! |
| 10:30.47 | dutchfish | roxazer, yes, then /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
| 10:31.03 | cornmoon_blue | I am newer. |
| 10:31.09 | roxazer | dutchfish: still getting failed |
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| 10:31.43 | dutchfish | roxazer, did you edit the /etc/init.d/ntp script? |
| 10:31.49 | roxazer | no |
| 10:31.56 | hyper_ch | hiho, I have a problem with my php4-cgi on etch 64bit.... when running it on the server it produces only errors like "Warning: Unexpected character in input: '' (ASCII=15) state=1 in /var/www/web3/html/cgi-bin/php4-cgi on line 159" - however when I run it from the command line "./php4-cgi ../phpinfo.php" the output is correct.... any idea? |
| 10:32.12 | dutchfish | roxazer, can you paste your /etc/ntp.conf to the pastebin? |
| 10:32.18 | roxazer | okey |
| 10:33.32 | roxazer | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/m29747f0d |
| 10:34.04 | dutchfish | roxazer, line 25 needs iburst at the end |
| 10:34.26 | roxazer | dutchfish: i just write "iburst" n that line? |
| 10:34.29 | roxazer | on |
| 10:34.55 | dutchfish | roxazer, server ntp1.gbg.netnod.se iburst |
| 10:35.00 | roxazer | okey |
| 10:35.24 | roxazer | dutchfish: still failing |
| 10:35.42 | dutchfish | roxazer, what the output (failure) |
| 10:35.51 | dutchfish | roxazer, what is the output (failure) |
| 10:36.07 | roxazer | Starting NTP server: ntpd/usr/sbin/ntpd: invalid option -- p |
| 10:36.46 | dutchfish | roxazer, double check if /etc/init.d/ntp has been changed |
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| 10:37.30 | dutchfish | roxazer, or paste it too to pastebin |
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| 10:39.57 | roxazer | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/m72a3db1b |
| 10:42.12 | dutchfish | roxazer, if have this: http://pastebin.com/m5cd3cf7e lets compare |
| 10:43.21 | dutchfish | roxazer, looks the same ... mmm |
| 10:43.42 | jim | how was this installed? |
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| 10:44.07 | mylxiaoyi | hello all |
| 10:44.09 | roxazer | dutchfish: yeah, cant see anything different |
| 10:44.23 | dutchfish | roxazer, could you just try to reinstall it? |
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| 10:44.40 | jim | how did you install it in the first place? |
| 10:45.01 | roxazer | dutchfish: maby, but i have two friends with the same dateproblem that i have |
| 10:45.26 | jim | unless they're here... ot |
| 10:45.36 | jim | it's just you for now |
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| 10:46.01 | dutchfish | jim, are your locales installed correctly? |
| 10:46.11 | jim | I have no idea :) |
| 10:46.18 | dutchfish | jim, sorry was ment for roxazer |
| 10:46.30 | enouf | !set time |
| 10:46.30 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 10:47.09 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, he did that, turns out he has some weird problem with date |
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| 10:47.19 | enouf | spacix: <home> and <end> keys work for me |
| 10:47.35 | roxazer | dutchfish: yeah... |
| 10:47.36 | enouf | maybe the VM bug |
| 10:47.43 | jim | the invocation was improper, said something about invalid option |
| 10:47.57 | dutchfish | VM bug? tell us more plz .. |
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| 10:48.23 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 10:48.59 | Haris | Here's my logrotate config -> http://www.pastebin.ca/952598 . I need some insight into why logs are not getting rotated |
| 10:49.09 | dutchfish | roxazer, what locale are you using? |
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| 10:49.14 | enouf | spacix: also , this may have something http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Control_keys |
| 10:49.27 | jim | Haris: are you sure none of your logs are? |
| 10:49.27 | roxazer | dutchfish: en_US ISO-8859-1 ? |
| 10:49.48 | dutchfish | roxazer, ok, thats not it then |
| 10:49.51 | enouf | dutchfish: if he's not using a VMwarez thing, then it doesn't matter |
| 10:49.59 | Haris | jim: the maillog certainly isn't. Its grown to 6+ GB |
| 10:50.04 | enouf | !ntpdate |
| 10:50.04 | dpkg | somebody said ntpdate was a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ntp. |
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| 10:50.49 | Haris | ah, wrong channel |
| 10:50.52 | jim | ok, so did you get the question? :) |
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| 10:51.25 | troytroy | hi am running etch and just installed freeradius 2.0.3 |
| 10:51.34 | troytroy | mae make install |
| 10:51.45 | troytroy | please how do i uninstall it |
| 10:51.48 | Haris | maillog hasn't been rotated since Feb26 |
| 10:51.55 | Haris | I'm not sure why |
| 10:51.55 | troytroy | i want to install 1.1.6 now |
| 10:52.06 | hoxu | !info etch freeradius |
| 10:52.10 | Haris | I added /etc/logrotate.d/maillog manually to get it done |
| 10:52.11 | jim | troytroy: find out each file it installed |
| 10:52.42 | troytroy | jim pls how do i find each file installed |
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| 10:52.55 | jim | troytroy: dunno... read the makefile |
| 10:53.07 | hoxu | troytroy, it's not a debian question if you don't use debs -_- |
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| 10:53.17 | dutchfish | troytroy, you might want to look at packagesearch |
| 10:53.26 | troytroy | hmm debian packages always seem to be old |
| 10:53.57 | tarzeau | troytroy: in etch? |
| 10:54.04 | hoxu | !tell troytroy about simple sid backport |
| 10:55.01 | pat5star | Haris: have you tried logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.d/maillog to see what it tells you? it will spit out debug messages but not actually do anything, it only simulates what it would do if you dropped the -d flag |
| 10:55.01 | troytroy | tarzeau yes please |
| 10:55.10 | hoxu | troytroy, you might want to have a look at checkinstall if you need to twiddle with make install |
| 10:55.15 | jim | did you understand the issue? you're building something and it installed something somewhere... so now you're asking a helper to cover his eyes, use esp and say "The file is... I'm getting it... it's coming to me... oh shit, it's not coming to me ;p" |
| 10:55.22 | tarzeau | troytroy: which specific feature of which software do you miss? |
| 10:55.41 | jim | its newerness! |
| 10:55.47 | Haris | pat5star: I just did that. It says, lol; |
| 10:55.50 | troytroy | tarzeau freeradius |
| 10:55.55 | Haris | considering log /var/log/maillog |
| 10:55.55 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.01 | Haris | hehe |
| 10:56.03 | tarzeau | troytroy: did you check the simple sid backport infos? |
| 10:56.16 | pat5star | Haris: the logrotate daemon laughed at you? :) |
| 10:56.19 | troytroy | tarzeau please how do i do that |
| 10:56.21 | Haris | when rotating maillog, do I need to restart postfix or syslogd? |
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| 10:56.36 | tarzeau | troytroy: what do you have amd64 or i386 linux? |
| 10:56.41 | Haris | the output made me laugh, haha |
| 10:56.55 | dutchfish | roxazer, i found out that your error might caused when another ntpd process is already running or running under another user can you check that? |
| 10:56.57 | jim | you could revolve your logs instead of rotating them |
| 10:57.03 | Haris | ? |
| 10:57.03 | pat5star | Haris: no you shouldn't. but if you do run into problems you can use the copytruncate option instead |
| 10:57.06 | troytroy | i386 |
| 10:57.09 | roxazer | dutchfish: okey |
| 10:57.14 | troytroy | tarzeau i386 |
| 10:57.27 | enouf | dutchfish: anyways, this is to what i was referring; http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918461 (The system time runs too fast on a Linux-based virtual machine that is hosted in Virtual Server 2005 R2) |
| 10:57.31 | tarzeau | troytroy: i see, i've got this too here: http://krum.ethz.ch/abp/ good luck |
| 10:57.57 | lvh | enouf: That title made me fall off my chair laughing |
| 10:57.58 | roxazer | dutchfish: i stopped /etc/init.d/openntpd but i get the same error |
| 10:58.06 | lvh | enouf: mainly because I didnt read "time" |
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| 10:58.18 | enouf | :-p |
| 10:58.24 | lvh | enouf: The system runs too fast on a Linux-based virtual machine that is hosted in Vrital Server 2005 R2 |
| 10:58.28 | lvh | enouf: hahahaha |
| 10:58.35 | troytroy | tarzeau pls should i add that to my sources |
| 10:58.36 | dutchfish | enouf, aha ... [djing, turns out a litle lmap above my head] .. thank you very much, this one might caus emuch trouble when daylightsaving kicks in next week ;) |
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| 10:58.45 | jim | the system -time- runs too fast :P |
| 10:58.52 | muramasa | Hello all. Right now I have 5 partitions on my 160gb sata drive. sda1 - Windows, sda5 - Big NTFS drive, sda6 - swap, sda7 - ext3 /home and sda3 - ext3 /. I'm going to make a move from windows to debian only, and wondering if it's possible to delete the 2 NTFS partitions and add the free space to my current linux partitions? I've set up my debian exactly like I want it, so don't feel like formatting it all |
| 10:58.58 | lvh | dutchfish: a little imap above your head? ;-) |
| 10:59.03 | lvh | dutchfish: oh, look, its courier |
| 10:59.03 | tarzeau | troytroy: no you should check backports or create your own simple sid backport |
| 10:59.10 | tarzeau | troytroy: or read the abp script and use it... |
| 10:59.12 | dutchfish | s/imap/lamp |
| 10:59.29 | lvh | I'm seeing things everywhere, I think I just need some s3 |
| 10:59.34 | enouf | "you know i can't allow you to do that Dave" </hal9000> |
| 10:59.36 | dutchfish | curses his stiff fingers |
| 10:59.38 | embrik | I'm downloading a torrent and the root catalogue gets full all the time. Does anybody know why? tmp-catalogue is in my homefolder. Now root / is 13 gb |
| 10:59.39 | jim | lvh: you using lvm? |
| 10:59.46 | lvh | jim: no |
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| 11:00.12 | jim | if you were, things like that would be easier |
| 11:00.18 | troytroy | tarzeau hmm debian always complicated |
| 11:00.46 | jim | he has a point there... |
| 11:00.49 | dutchfish | roxazer, mmm... man ntpd .. look at the -p option, thats what i was thinking about |
| 11:00.53 | troytroy | tarzeau so how do i get rid of the version 2.0.3 i compiled and installed |
| 11:00.55 | tarzeau | troytroy: no no, it's easy and good |
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| 11:01.10 | tarzeau | troytroy: wait you took the source and not a debian package? |
| 11:01.19 | tarzeau | troytroy: maybe make uninstall works (but maybe not) |
| 11:01.22 | enouf | muramasa: you're basically screwed, get another disk |
| 11:01.23 | troytroy | tarzeau yes please |
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| 11:01.44 | lvh | jim: huh? what |
| 11:01.53 | enouf | i presume sda2 is the Ext'd |
| 11:01.55 | troytroy | tarzeau pls i tried that but it did not work |
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| 11:02.01 | lvh | jim: I don't get it. What would be easier? |
| 11:02.12 | jim | lvh: resizing your existing partitions |
| 11:02.20 | wols_ | enouf: why? it can be done with enough gparted shuffling |
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| 11:02.37 | lvh | jim: I think you have me confused with someone else -- I'm not interested in resizing my partitions |
| 11:02.38 | msingh | where are the package maintainers hanging out |
| 11:02.41 | msingh | i want to report a bug |
| 11:02.42 | enouf | wols_: not even remotely safely, imho, but whatever |
| 11:02.44 | roxazer | dutchfish: the -p option is in a file(?) and the option does not exist |
| 11:02.50 | roxazer | thats the problem |
| 11:02.59 | knoxy | hi all.. when I try to start my Dansguardian, the server says: Starting DansGuardian: dansguardianLibClamAV Error: cli_untgz: Wrote 0 instead of 512 (/tmp/clamav-8b971cb6a5625f2faa5ead37970295e6/COPYING)..... How can I do to fix it? upgrading the clamav? |
| 11:03.24 | dutchfish | roxazer, -p = Specify the name and path to record the daemon's process ID |
| 11:03.26 | jim | lvh: don't you want to get rid of your win partitions and incorporate the space into your linux, without reformatting? |
| 11:03.30 | enouf | wols_: especially, if the ext'd say contains 5/6/7 and 3 (primary) was added later ;-) |
| 11:03.30 | lvh | msingh: find the package on packages.debian.org -- find the package maintainer there and mail him |
| 11:03.33 | lvh | jim: thats not me |
| 11:03.41 | lvh | jim: I dont have Windows on any of my boxes |
| 11:03.53 | msingh | lvh, i have the emails but i dont wanna bother emailing in case i have to sign up to some stupid mailing list first |
| 11:03.54 | lvh | jim: I was talking about wine/virtualbox earlier but thats two hours ago |
| 11:04.11 | dutchfish | roxazer, maybe its unable to write its pid (like another process is already running) |
| 11:04.13 | muramasa | jim: that sounds like what I want to do ;) |
| 11:04.16 | lvh | msingh: usually, you do not. |
| 11:04.21 | jim | oh you're right, it's muramasa |
| 11:04.23 | muramasa | enouf: indeed they were added after |
| 11:04.24 | dutchfish | roxazer, or not sufficient rights |
| 11:04.25 | jim | sorry |
| 11:04.28 | lvh | Isn't there a central bugzilla for debian packages |
| 11:04.40 | jim | so muramasa, are you using lvm? |
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| 11:04.58 | mbroeker | lvh, bugs.debian.org ? |
| 11:05.06 | embrik | what usually fills up the root-volume? My root volume is now 13 gb and full :-( |
| 11:05.13 | lvh | mbroeker: thats the one |
| 11:05.13 | msingh | lvh, o |
| 11:05.19 | msingh | lvh, i'll mail the guy see what happens |
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| 11:05.23 | lvh | msingh: :: what mbroeker said |
| 11:05.24 | lvh | msingh: no |
| 11:05.28 | lvh | msingh: use bugs.debian.org |
| 11:05.37 | lvh | msingh: the package maintainer will be automatically mailed |
| 11:05.38 | jim | embrik: depends on what else you have mounted |
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| 11:05.43 | msingh | does that require signing up? |
| 11:05.53 | enouf | muramasa: pastebin your fdisk -l /dev/sda output (for possible help), but, you're going to want to have backups no matter what, so another HDD might be best, if only just for that |
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| 11:06.40 | hyper_ch | hiho, I have a problem with my php4-cgi on etch 64bit.... when running it on the server it produces only errors like "Warning: Unexpected character in input: '' (ASCII=15) state=1 in /var/www/web3/html/cgi-bin/php4-cgi on line 159" - however when I run it from the command line "./php4-cgi ../phpinfo.php" the output is correct.... any idea? |
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| 11:07.12 | enouf | msingh: install and use reportbug |
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| 11:07.25 | enouf | !reportbug |
| 11:07.25 | dpkg | it has been said that reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 11:07.34 | replix | hi |
| 11:07.51 | msingh | enouf, will it use my system settings in the report? |
| 11:07.56 | muramasa | jim: I don't think so.. |
| 11:08.07 | muramasa | enouf jim: http://paste.debian.net/51627 this is the output of fdisk |
| 11:08.07 | Haris | what's a good vpnserver for etch? I want to drop all external clients on LAN with it |
| 11:08.09 | embrik | jim:/vg_system-root, tmpfs, udev, /tmp, /boot, /usr |
| 11:08.09 | dutchfish | roxazer, also look in /etc/default if there is any code messing it up |
| 11:08.13 | enouf | msingh: yes, it should scan your system |
| 11:08.15 | wols_ | enouf: it CAN be done. not easy and usually people who have to ask can't do it, but it is possible |
| 11:08.26 | msingh | enouf, my system is too buggered atm, i am using a different one |
| 11:08.34 | enouf | wols_: twas what i said ;-) |
| 11:08.35 | replix | i got following problem with evolution: i swas on ubuntu gutsy, I saved my .evolution folder, i installed debian testing, then moved my .evolution folder back |
| 11:08.49 | replix | but now most of my addressbook entrys are gone |
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| 11:08.59 | replix | *entries |
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| 11:09.05 | replix | how to restore them? |
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| 11:09.43 | troytroy | hmm pls how do i get freeradius 1.1.6 safely on etch |
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| 11:09.55 | troytroy | repo seems to have 1.1.3 |
| 11:09.55 | dutchfish | roxazer, also look in /etc/default/ntp should only contain 1 line: NTPD_OPTS='-g' |
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| 11:10.10 | donald_ | back |
| 11:10.14 | roxazer | dutchfish: right, it does |
| 11:10.19 | enouf | dpkg reportbug is also see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for debian-installater bug reporting |
| 11:10.19 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 11:10.33 | donald_ | dutchfish: it's very likely a network-manager issue.. |
| 11:10.43 | donald_ | so how to fix it? |
| 11:10.45 | lynucs | hello.. i bootet from a livecd and would like to check my partitions taht are on a lvm with fsck.. the question is, how do i see the partitions on the lvm.. |
| 11:10.52 | dutchfish | donald_, yes |
| 11:11.05 | lynucs | s/bootet/booted |
| 11:11.08 | donald_ | any workarounds to this? |
| 11:11.32 | dutchfish | donald_, delve into bts if there is in already bugs filed |
| 11:11.37 | troytroy | !dpkg backport freeradius |
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| 11:11.52 | enouf | muramasa: i stand by my original suggestion ;-) |
| 11:11.59 | donald_ | ok. must be recent since this broke yesterday |
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| 11:12.23 | troytroy | !tell backports |
| 11:12.38 | muramasa | enouf: heh. is making a backup of / a better choice, then just start from scratch? |
| 11:12.45 | troytroy | !tell backports freeradius |
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| 11:12.52 | enouf | muramasa: / and /home |
| 11:13.00 | troytroy | !tell freeradius |
| 11:13.08 | dutchfish | roxazer, mm.. i am out of options, i would first try to reinstall ntp if that solves the problem, curent etch ntp should be 4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2 |
| 11:13.22 | troytroy | No, troytroy, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 11:13.29 | troytroy | whats that suppose to mean |
| 11:13.30 | muramasa | enouf: right, forgot the configuration files heh. thanks for your opinion mate :-) |
| 11:13.52 | enouf | muramasa: than you should be able wipe your old one, and set it up correctly .. copy back over backups onto it, and now you have a new free HDD |
| 11:14.19 | enouf | muramasa: your /home is your personal files too ;-) |
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| 11:14.41 | roxazer | dutchfish: i installed ntp and then it removed openntpd, now i can start ntp with /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
| 11:14.49 | enouf | muramasa: system config (global env variables) are usually in /etc/ |
| 11:15.02 | dutchfish | roxazer, aha |
| 11:15.03 | muramasa | enouf: my /home is quite empty, as I've just mounted my ntfs drive for the personal files so far ;-) time to google some about creating backups I assume! |
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| 11:15.31 | enouf | muramasa: your personal dotfiles override many of those settings, but you likely have many things saved in /home (mail, pictures, mp3s, etc) |
| 11:15.39 | enouf | !dotfiles |
| 11:15.39 | dpkg | dotfiles is, like, http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 11:15.46 | enouf | omg dpkg |
| 11:16.03 | enouf | well, that article is in depth, iirc |
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| 11:16.17 | muramasa | heh, seems like it indeed |
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| 11:16.55 | muramasa | basically the ~/.files I assume, like .emacs or whatever :-) |
| 11:16.59 | enouf | muramasa: even with two disks, one brand new, you can seriously screw this up |
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| 11:17.16 | mypapit | anti khairy !! |
| 11:17.19 | enouf | muramasa: burn DVDs for must-save stuff prior |
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| 11:17.39 | Cloud | hey guys |
| 11:17.46 | Cloud | how do i get the debian kernel sources? |
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| 11:18.06 | wols_ | Cloud: apt-get source for example. or isntall linux-source |
| 11:18.18 | Cloud | im trying to build ipw2200 |
| 11:18.28 | wols_ | !ipw2200 |
| 11:18.28 | dpkg | The module is built into the kernel from etch onwards but you need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. See http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200. For sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting> |
| 11:18.35 | wols_ | Cloud: you won't need kernel sources |
| 11:18.43 | muramasa | enouf: I thought I would backup my / and /home to dvds, while using an usb hard drive to save my ntfs stuff :-) |
| 11:18.50 | dutchfish | roxazer, so dont use both, just ntp, openntpd is just a small subset of functions and it doesnt adjust clockrate |
| 11:19.22 | enouf | muramasa: i'd like to suggest you learn tar and perhaps gz prior ;-) |
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| 11:19.44 | enouf | muramasa: and/or rsync |
| 11:19.50 | dutchfish | roxazer, weird that it is not mutually exclusive (dependicies), maybe this can be considered a bug |
| 11:20.18 | larsl | Question about network setup: I have a laptop with a wireless networking card, and I want it to connect to my wireless router on startup. I have the lines "iface wlan0 inet dhcp", "wireless-essid <myessid>", "wireless-key <myhexkey>", "auto wlan0" in /etc/network/interfaces, but on startup it doesn't seem to get an IP from the router when it brings the interface up (it gets stuck on requesting an IP for 30 seconds or so, then says "no lease retrieved |
| 11:20.20 | larsl | - sleeping" or something like that. But if I bring the interface down and then up again once I've logged in it gets an IP immediately. |
| 11:20.23 | muramasa | enouf: I see. actually writing everything I need to learn before on a paper, so feel free to add anything more that could be vital :-) |
| 11:20.24 | larsl | Any idea what the problem is? |
| 11:20.27 | Cloud | wols http://pastebin.com/d228eb855 |
| 11:20.57 | Cloud | i googled and it seems to lack kernel soruces |
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| 11:22.58 | wols_ | Cloud: why can't you use the driver which ships with etch? |
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| 11:23.58 | Cloud | ah wols_ i want packet injection |
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| 11:24.06 | Cloud | i'm trying to install a patched version |
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| 11:24.44 | wols_ | then get the one from the debian sources (the ipw2200 I mean) |
| 11:24.51 | wols_ | and patch and compile that |
| 11:24.58 | Cloud | how do i do that wols_ |
| 11:25.05 | wols_ | also, it's not kernel sources it seems to want |
| 11:25.18 | wols_ | !tell Cloud about apt howto |
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| 11:27.32 | enouf | larsl: you might need to put appropriate entries in the various dirs of; if-down.d/ if-post-down.d/ if-pre-up.d/ if-up.d/ |
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| 11:28.45 | hyper_ch | hiho, I have a problem with my php4-cgi on etch 64bit.... when running it on the server it produces only errors like "Warning: Unexpected character in input: '' (ASCII=15) state=1 in /var/www/web3/html/cgi-bin/php4-cgi on line 159" - however when I run it from the command line "./php4-cgi ../phpinfo.php" the output is correct.... any idea? |
| 11:28.59 | Cloud | wols how do i get the ipw2200 package from the debian sources? |
| 11:29.05 | Cloud | apt-get install ipw2200 doesn't work |
| 11:29.07 | larsl | enouf: OK - any idea what would be the appropriate entries? |
| 11:29.11 | wols_ | !tell Cloud about search |
| 11:29.20 | larsl | Could I just let NetworkManager handle this somehow? |
| 11:29.45 | dA78 | Cloud: What debian branch did you use? Testing? |
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| 11:30.02 | enouf | larsl: here's another idea, you need perms, or full path to /sbin/iw* files, like; http://paste.debian.net/51628 somewhat |
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| 11:30.32 | Cloud | dA78, etch |
| 11:30.36 | cleo_ | i want to install all firefox plugin |
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| 11:30.55 | lvh | okay, my brain is a bit slow today. /etc/motd is what you see after you login, /etc/FILLME is before you log in. What's FILLME? |
| 11:31.07 | giubbettina | !backports |
| 11:31.07 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 11:31.08 | enouf | larsl: lines 8-14 are for lo and wired ethernet 10/100 |
| 11:31.25 | giubbettina | !simple sid backport |
| 11:31.26 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 11:31.59 | enouf | lvh: /etc/inittab ? |
| 11:32.00 | mbroeker | hyper_ch, edit /etc/apache2/conf.d/charset, set AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 and restart the webserver. If this fixes it, you will know that you need to tweak your charset settings ( change it back in that file, because its bad this way ) |
| 11:32.19 | hyper_ch | mbroeker: thx |
| 11:32.33 | muramasa | enouf: do you have time for a quick question? should I backup /dev as well? seen some people recommending not to use it, while some recommend not to |
| 11:32.50 | enouf | lvh: or any of the startup scripts such like rc.local even i guess |
| 11:33.15 | enouf | muramasa: no, it's dynamically created via udev |
| 11:33.23 | larsl | enouf: 'man interfaces' seems to say that the wireless-* syntax should be OK, but I can try the pre-up way as well. |
| 11:33.23 | enouf | muramasa: at each boot |
| 11:33.31 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 11:33.32 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 11:33.35 | lvh | enouf: nah there's a file like motd but different. |
| 11:33.47 | enouf | lvh: oh |
| 11:33.50 | lvh | enouf: basically I want my screen to clear every time i logout, so people dont see what the last person typed |
| 11:34.05 | muramasa | enouf: i see, i will exclude it then :-) |
| 11:34.05 | lvh | enouf: I can do this by simply going clear >> /etc/SOMEFILEIFORGOT |
| 11:34.18 | larsl | enouf: Do you know what the relationship between NetworkManager and the settings defined in /etc/network/interfaces is? It seems that once NetworkManager has started, the ESSID and key is used when I do "ifup wlan0". |
| 11:34.27 | enouf | larsl: reset, then logout ;-) |
| 11:34.41 | cleo_ | i want to install java for firefox |
| 11:34.49 | lvh | enouf: ISSUE! |
| 11:34.56 | lvh | enouf: /etc/issue |
| 11:35.21 | hyper_ch | mbroeker: didn't help... it was set to utf8 and i changed it not to iso-8859-1 |
| 11:35.41 | enouf | larsl: IINM, network-manager and knetwork-manager each have their own config files somewhere other than iwconfig and such |
| 11:35.47 | Cloud | wols_ I got the package name, but how do I download it instead of installing it |
| 11:35.56 | enouf | issue.net |
| 11:35.58 | mbroeker | hyper_ch, overrides in that file should be commented with a # !! |
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| 11:36.18 | dutchfish | hyper_ch, did your check your apache2 logs for compression mistakes (if you use compression)? |
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| 11:36.34 | hyper_ch | mbroeker: trying now with #! |
| 11:36.42 | hyper_ch | dutchfish: compression mistakes? |
| 11:36.44 | enouf | larsl: i'm really out of my league on this stuff, i never used wifi ;-) |
| 11:37.15 | cleo_ | !tell cleo_ about rifefox plugin |
| 11:37.30 | cleo_ | !tell cleo_ about fireefox plugin |
| 11:37.34 | cleo_ | !tell cleo_ about firefox plugin |
| 11:37.48 | dutchfish | hyper_ch, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_deflate.html |
| 11:38.04 | cleo_ | !tell cleo_ about firefox |
| 11:38.11 | hoxu | !tell cleo_ about selftell |
| 11:38.25 | wols_ | !wayttd Cloud |
| 11:38.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Cloud? |
| 11:38.27 | hyper_ch | dutchfish: mod_deflate not running |
| 11:38.33 | wols_ | oops |
| 11:38.36 | hoxu | !win wols_ |
| 11:38.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, wols_! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 11:38.36 | hyper_ch | dutchfish: I mean not enabled |
| 11:38.37 | wols_ | !wayttd cleo_ |
| 11:38.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, cleo_? |
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| 11:38.53 | dutchfish | hyper_ch, ok, then forget me |
| 11:38.56 | wols_ | dpkg: you need your factoids updated |
| 11:38.56 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 11:39.04 | hyper_ch | dutchfish: thx for trying |
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| 11:39.11 | cleo_ | wols_ i'm trying to install java plugin for ice |
| 11:39.21 | wols_ | !tell cleo_ about java plugin |
| 11:39.26 | Maulkin | wols_: have fun with that then, well volunteered |
| 11:39.30 | wols_ | !tell cleo_ about install java |
| 11:39.31 | enouf | wols_: someone seems to keep cleaning her drunken sailor whore mouth :-P |
| 11:39.44 | enouf | cleaning up* |
| 11:40.04 | wols_ | Maulkin: cleo_ you mean? oh I have a powerful ignore command if the idiocy level gets too high |
| 11:40.16 | larsl | I think I'll just reboot instead of hunting down the NetworkManager processes and make sure that the settings are back to what they were at startup. |
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| 11:40.24 | hyper_ch | mbroeker: nope, did not help either :( |
| 11:40.37 | wols_ | Laser: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:40.40 | hoxu | wols_, I think Maulkin meant updating the factoids :p |
| 11:40.40 | Maulkin | 11:38 < wols_> dpkg: you need your factoids updated |
| 11:41.00 | enouf | omg |
| 11:41.04 | wols_ | Maulkin: you underestimte my power of procrastination too |
| 11:41.14 | enouf | !customer |
| 11:41.14 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 11:43.23 | Asmooh | "you guid easy on your living good, if others live in pain because you are the clever one. One day you'll see, this place.. this place is beautiful. And when the soldiers turn around, and the heros disappear. And if we start the war? " <<< anyone knows from wich movie this quote is? |
| 11:44.28 | cleo_ | wols_ i need to add java mirror to sources.list |
| 11:44.28 | wols_ | Asmooh: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 11:44.28 | Asmooh | eh |
| 11:44.28 | Asmooh | not today |
| 11:44.28 | Asmooh | ;) |
| 11:44.28 | wols_ | cleo_: no you don't |
| 11:44.28 | hoxu | wols_, maybe it's from Toy Story? :p |
| 11:44.28 | Asmooh | haha |
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| 11:44.42 | wols_ | cleo_: read the two factoids more carefully again |
| 11:45.06 | dutchfish | stomping my brian for what name after lenny ... arent we running out yet of names? |
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| 11:45.25 | ricosecada | I am trying to figure out the URI for my USB printer, so I do "cd /usr/lib/cups/backend" and "./usb", but I get nothing. What am I doing wrong? Is there another way? |
| 11:45.36 | lady_6thofAu | hello, im using atheros + madwifi and wireless is working, but keeps disconnecting every 3 hours. is there any setting probably causing that? any ideas? |
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| 11:45.52 | hoxu | dutchfish, maybe they can just start over from Buzz II :P |
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| 11:46.03 | dutchfish | hoxu, :) |
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| 11:47.57 | dutchfish | lady_6thofAu, maybe it doesnt corretcly refresh its lease? |
| 11:48.15 | dutchfish | s/corretcly/correctly |
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| 11:49.17 | pi31415 | http://pastebin.osuosl.org/6449 |
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| 11:49.34 | pi31415 | is line 25 indicating an error on my side or on the server side? |
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| 11:50.26 | dutchfish | pi31415, probably a mirror not in sync yet |
| 11:50.38 | lady_6thofAu | i have a static ip |
| 11:50.55 | pi31415 | dutchfish: do you know how to force a particular mirror? |
| 11:50.56 | cleo_ | !tell me about gcjwebplugin |
| 11:51.19 | dutchfish | pi31415, look at your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:51.32 | lady_6thofAu | dutchfish why should it renew it at all? |
| 11:51.50 | dutchfish | lady_6thofAu, only if it is not static |
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| 11:53.00 | dutchfish | lady_6thofAu, and some dhcp servers can play tricks on you if you assign a static adress within there dynamic range |
| 11:53.12 | cleo_ | wols_ i stile not be able to install it |
| 11:53.14 | pi31415 | dutchfish: thank you |
| 11:53.32 | lady_6thofAu | dutchfish its not within the dynamic range though |
| 11:53.57 | dutchfish | lady_6thofAu, ok, then its not that |
| 11:54.42 | lady_6thofAu | but i guess it is some setting, because it doesnt drop randomly... it drops agout every 3-4 hours |
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| 11:55.03 | dutchfish | pi31415, http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ |
| 11:55.23 | lady_6thofAu | bgscan is set to 0 though |
| 11:56.05 | lady_6thofAu | i dont know what setting it can be |
| 11:56.14 | dutchfish | lady_6thofAu, maybe some powersaving setting on your nic? |
| 11:56.21 | lady_6thofAu | negative |
| 11:56.30 | lady_6thofAu | powersaving is off |
| 11:56.36 | dutchfish | lady_6thofAu, i meant bios |
| 11:56.48 | lady_6thofAu | hm |
| 11:57.04 | lady_6thofAu | thnx ill look at that |
| 11:57.07 | token_macguy | This would seem to be a bug in the package repository. Theres an upgrade to libdjvulibre15 (which is a dependancy of some other X packages), but the old version isn't getting removed, and i can't even force it out. the new version of course conflicts with it. |
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| 11:57.17 | lady_6thofAu | thnx :) |
| 11:57.24 | token_macguy | any way i can or should fix that? |
| 11:58.30 | token_macguy | apt-get -f remove libdjvulibre15 refuses to do that because it wants libdjvulibre21 installed first. |
| 11:59.06 | wols_ | cleo_: you are unable to ask concise and meaningful questions or give problem reports too. that's far worse in my book |
| 11:59.17 | wols_ | cleo_: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 11:59.47 | pi31415 | dutchfish: i forced my mirror to ftp.osuosl.org but i get the same error |
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| 12:00.43 | cleo_ | wols_ yes i have non-free |
| 12:00.59 | wols_ | token_macguy: sid? testing? |
| 12:01.08 | wols_ | !tell cleo_ about bat |
| 12:01.13 | token_macguy | yeah testing |
| 12:01.16 | wols_ | cleo_: and add your sources.list to it too |
| 12:01.20 | dutchfish | pi31415, i am not sure, but sid can sometimes be broken, ask others if it is, i dont run sid, but i would not suspect your system |
| 12:01.23 | wols_ | !tell token_macguy about bts |
| 12:01.45 | pi31415 | dutchfish: /etc/debianversion reports 4.0 |
| 12:02.04 | dutchfish | pi31415, etch? |
| 12:02.10 | pi31415 | yes |
| 12:02.26 | dutchfish | pi31415, and you didnt mix repositories? |
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| 12:02.37 | pi31415 | dutchfish: when i say the same error, i mean ine 25 of http://pastebin.osuosl.org/6449 |
| 12:02.51 | dutchfish | pi31415, yes yesy |
| 12:02.52 | pi31415 | dutchfish: i am finding my way around a server that someone else set up |
| 12:02.54 | pip | Hello,if I want to install with a small CD,which one should I take ? |
| 12:03.04 | pip | there are two small CDs |
| 12:03.15 | wols_ | pip: netinst. the 150MB one |
| 12:03.29 | token_macguy | hah, someone alread reported that bug. thanks wols_ |
| 12:03.55 | dutchfish | pi31415, this worries me : Unable to find expected entry unstable/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file |
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| 12:04.17 | wols_ | pip: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 12:04.28 | peleg | I have asked it already, but still... how can I check "what" uses my sound card at the moment? |
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| 12:04.33 | pi31415 | why is it looking for unstable? |
| 12:04.39 | wols_ | pip: fuser, lsof |
| 12:04.41 | pip | wols_, thanks |
| 12:04.45 | dutchfish | pi31415, that indicates that there are some packages from unstable installed |
| 12:04.55 | wols_ | pi31415: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 12:05.06 | pip | wols_, I'm not on debian right now |
| 12:05.07 | grand_gr1nt | A friend of mines got a old IBM ThinkPad with a floppy and a serial port. No ethernet or somehting else. The best way to install Debian? ^^ |
| 12:05.09 | liable | repeat |
| 12:05.21 | peleg | fuser /dev/snd/* maybe...? |
| 12:05.40 | pi31415 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:05.41 | wols_ | peleg: fuser, lsof |
| 12:05.55 | peleg | wols_: thanks |
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| 12:06.02 | maligor | grand_grunt, must be really old if it doesn't have ethernet |
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| 12:06.52 | grand_grunt | maligor: Yes, very old. With Win95 in English (we are French). If I could install her a French Debian, since she uses it only as a typewritter, could be a great idea |
| 12:07.03 | maligor | grand_grunt, I think you can install debian from floppies.. but... well.. |
| 12:07.32 | grand_grunt | maligor: It will be more expensive to buy floppies than another laptop |
| 12:07.42 | peleg | wols_: now that I have the id of the processes that uses pcmC0D0p, how can I check what are these processes? |
| 12:07.56 | wols_ | peleg: man ps aux |
| 12:07.57 | maligor | grand_grunt, maybe you could use a nullmodem cable |
| 12:08.00 | grand_grunt | maligor: I gonna google a serial-Ethernet idea |
| 12:08.03 | wols_ | man ps rather |
| 12:08.16 | peleg | ok, thanks |
| 12:08.32 | grand_grunt | maligor: I google it, allready heard about but don't know what it is |
| 12:08.51 | maligor | a way to connect computers using the serial port |
| 12:08.56 | maligor | or rather the cable to do it |
| 12:09.08 | pi31415 | how do i list which release a package came from? |
| 12:09.14 | maligor | you'll need to establish a ppp connection or such over it tho |
| 12:09.35 | wols_ | pi31415: apt-cache policy can do it of sorts |
| 12:09.41 | grand_grunt | maligor: I see that on Wikipedia.. good idea. it seems to allow Internet share |
| 12:10.01 | maligor | grand_grunt, a third option would also be to take out the hdd on the thing and install it on another system |
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| 12:10.15 | grand_grunt | maligor: I have to find a Linux net-install from floppy that supports nullmodem |
| 12:10.29 | maligor | grand_grunt, you'd probably need a IDE to small IDE adapter tho |
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| 12:10.41 | grand_grunt | maligor: take out the HDD from a laptop? Mhh why not |
| 12:11.00 | wols_ | grand_grunt: you will have to set it up yourself. all you need is a linux wihich comes with pppd |
| 12:11.02 | dutchfish | pi31415, if you run aptitude -f install (and q quit it) what does it indicate? |
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| 12:12.43 | lvh | apt-cache search nvidia-glx |
| 12:12.47 | lvh | wrong window. |
| 12:12.54 | grand_grunt | maligor: hey hey ! http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/ They DID it, it seems |
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| 12:17.11 | grand_grunt | maligor: from 430 Mb to 810 Mb HD.. Debian would be too much heavy. |
| 12:17.37 | pi31415 | dutchfish: it quit on its own and it did not seem to indicate anything |
| 12:18.08 | dutchfish | pi31415, then your system (dependicies) is correct ... mmm ... weird |
| 12:18.12 | pi31415 | i ran 'apt-cache policy' on all installed packages and they were all either etch/main or etch/non-free |
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| 12:18.35 | dutchfish | pi31415, yes |
| 12:18.36 | cleo_ | any one here can helpe me to install java for icqweasel |
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| 12:19.39 | dutchfish | pi31415, can you try yet another mirror that is indicated as correct for your arch? http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ |
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| 12:19.59 | cleo_ | any one here can helpe me to install java for icqweasel |
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| 12:21.19 | cleo_ | any one here can helpe me to install java for icqweasel |
| 12:21.33 | cleo_ | any one here can helpe me to install java for iceweasel |
| 12:21.43 | Agiofws | hey guys does anyone know if/where i can get these books http://rafb.net/p/70dtEi15.html in pdf form or e-book form thankyou . |
| 12:22.17 | grand_grunt | cleo_: calm down and go to Sun's website.. they got the installer and the help file. What's your issue? |
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| 12:22.50 | cleo_ | there isn't any package |
| 12:22.59 | wols_ | grand_grunt: do not tell people to go to sun's website |
| 12:23.11 | wols_ | Celelibi_: I asked you something and I am still waiting |
| 12:23.17 | dutchfish | pi31415, at the bottom of http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ is a legend |
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| 12:23.41 | NEVER_BUY_HP | wols_: hi wools, i arranged my system to be sent to be properly fixed :D |
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| 12:24.07 | wols_ | NEVER_BUY_HP: do you ahve a debian related question? |
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| 12:24.11 | hoxu | wols_, tab completion is evil, isn't it? :P |
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| 12:24.23 | wols_ | hoxu: it's a bitch :) |
| 12:24.28 | cleo_ | wols_ i still can't found the package |
| 12:25.03 | pi31415 | dutchfish: i tried distro.ibiblio.org and get the same error |
| 12:25.06 | wols_ | cleo_: I asked you something. either you give the info reuqestion or STFU and don't repeat as you did |
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| 12:25.27 | schizophrenie | ;) hiiii guys! |
| 12:25.40 | cleo_ | wols_ d u want to see my sources.list? |
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| 12:26.11 | dutchfish | pi31415, you could clean your cache and run again (at least thats what i would try) |
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| 12:26.17 | grand_grunt | wols_: Why? I allways use their site to install JRE.. they got a good howto and the latest Java |
| 12:26.37 | hoxu | grand_grunt, I hope you use java-package at least |
| 12:27.13 | wols_ | grand_grunt: cause it breaks the package management and you are not here to support people when your bad suggestions blow up in their face |
| 12:27.15 | pi31415 | dutchfish: i tried apt-get clean and then a dry run of apt-get update and i get the same error |
| 12:27.48 | wols_ | pi31415: delete /var/lib/apt/lists/ files and apt-get upadte again. if it persists, pastebin your sources.list |
| 12:28.21 | dutchfish | pi31415, is this system hooled up to the net, then check for rootkits chkrootkit and other |
| 12:28.23 | schizophrenie | guys i have 2 x 160 GB and 2 x 500 GB i want to make a raid, how is this possible? |
| 12:28.29 | dutchfish | s/hooled/hooked |
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| 12:28.42 | wols_ | !tell schizophrenie about raid |
| 12:29.07 | grand_grunt | wols_: oops, ok. |
| 12:29.17 | schizophrenie | thanks |
| 12:29.26 | NEVER_BUY_HP | schizophrenie: yup, raid with the 2 160gb drives and the 2 500gb drives, are you planning a raid0? |
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| 12:33.04 | pi31415 | wols_: i get the same error. here is my sources.list. http://pastebin.osuosl.org/6452 |
| 12:34.34 | pi31415 | Checking `lkm'... You have 76 process hidden for readdir command |
| 12:34.34 | pi31415 | chkproc: Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed |
| 12:34.58 | dutchfish | pi31415, thats what i meant |
| 12:35.57 | wols_ | pi31415: use another mirror |
| 12:37.43 | dutchfish | wols_, he changed already 3 times |
| 12:37.57 | wols_ | dutchfish: what was the oringial one? |
| 12:38.03 | wols_ | *original |
| 12:38.13 | pi31415 | wols_: debian.org |
| 12:38.41 | wols_ | ah. your sources.list is bad |
| 12:38.48 | wols_ | you cannot have "unstable" at the end |
| 12:38.51 | dutchfish | wols_, http://pastebin.osuosl.org/6449 |
| 12:39.01 | abrotman | nor want it |
| 12:39.06 | wols_ | that too |
| 12:39.18 | cleone | !tell me about non-free |
| 12:39.32 | hoxu | !tell cleone about selftell |
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| 12:39.43 | peyman | boz |
| 12:39.48 | behdad | lijlkj |
| 12:39.55 | peyman | hoo |
| 12:40.14 | wols_ | abrotman: clone alert |
| 12:40.22 | abrotman | yay |
| 12:40.25 | peyman | "sorry! was wondering if my client works!" |
| 12:40.25 | hoxu | peyman, behdad: this isn't a testing playground, make your own channel for that |
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| 12:40.57 | pi31415 | wols_: thank you, i should have caught that |
| 12:40.58 | behdad | yes you are right , sorry! :( |
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| 12:42.56 | pi31415 | that fixed it |
| 12:43.36 | pi31415 | i suspect that the hidden processes have something to do with it being a virtual server |
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| 12:49.42 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:49.42 | dpkg | <bart_> seanius, only 4 people at #C++ <seanius> try another network then <bart_> network? <bart_> IRC is the biggest isn't it? |
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| 12:50.00 | AlexC_ | hey, |
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| 12:50.33 | AlexC_ | when compling something, what was the command to like make a package out of it? So I can easily un-install it later |
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| 12:50.58 | AlexC_ | done ./configure - then make, then there was something after than (not make install) |
| 12:51.00 | wols_ | AlexC_: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:51.22 | pi31415 | http://www.troeger.eu/cms/?p=62 |
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| 12:51.31 | abrotman | AlexC_: stow or checkinstall |
| 12:51.44 | AlexC_ | checkinstall, that's the one. Thanks both |
| 12:51.59 | AlexC_ | abrotman, just to confirm, I do that after 'make', or after 'make install'? |
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| 12:52.17 | abrotman | AlexC_: no idea .. read the docs .. |
| 12:52.31 | dutchfish | pi31415, ok so openvz issue? |
| 12:52.43 | XTZGZoReX | Ey, I got a little problem here. I use "apt-get install openssl" and everything seems to do fine, but a source that I'm compiling can't seem to find it. Any ideas? |
| 12:53.12 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: you need the dev package not the bianry |
| 12:53.17 | pi31415 | dutchfish: yes |
| 12:53.33 | dutchfish | pi31415, at least not a trojan ;) |
| 12:53.40 | XTZGZoReX | wols: apt-get install openssl-dev? |
| 12:54.20 | abrotman | libssl-dev or something like that |
| 12:54.56 | XTZGZoReX | Ky. |
| 12:54.58 | XTZGZoReX | Kay*. |
| 12:55.09 | XTZGZoReX | Yup, that was it. |
| 12:55.10 | XTZGZoReX | Thanks. |
| 12:55.40 | cleone | i want to add non free mirror can someone help me plz :) |
| 12:55.53 | wols_ | !tell cleone about mirrors |
| 12:56.10 | wols_ | !tell cleone about non-free |
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| 12:56.41 | abrotman | again .. |
| 12:57.08 | wols_ | abrotman: we will continute to do it often until this weekend is over. #debian and #debian.de alike |
| 12:57.17 | wols_ | he managed to aliente them in a record time too |
| 12:57.23 | wols_ | *alienate |
| 12:57.41 | abrotman | cleone: you really need to learn to read |
| 12:57.49 | pip | AlexC_, Hi |
| 12:57.58 | wols_ | careful or he will ignore you like he does me now :) |
| 12:58.03 | AlexC_ | pip, morning? |
| 12:58.14 | hoxu | wols_, uh, he ignored you? |
| 12:58.21 | pip | AlexC_, Are you the AlexC who I know ? |
| 12:58.28 | wols_ | hoxu: convo was in #debian.de |
| 12:58.29 | cleone | abrotman : thanks |
| 12:58.30 | AlexC_ | pip, I don't know, |
| 12:58.43 | abrotman | that was worthy of a "thanks" ? |
| 12:58.43 | pip | Okay,do you know mooo ? |
| 12:58.49 | abrotman | !moo |
| 12:58.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 12:58.49 | AlexC_ | pip, no |
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| 12:58.56 | wols_ | pip: do you have a dbeian related question? |
| 12:58.58 | pip | Forget it ,nice to meet you |
| 12:59.09 | hoxu | !marry pip and AlexC_ |
| 12:59.09 | pip | wols_, yes,next one is about it |
| 12:59.10 | dpkg | pip, do you take AlexC_ to be your lawfully wedded spouse? AlexC_, do you take pip? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 12:59.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 12:59.23 | pip | lol |
| 12:59.53 | pip | AlexC_, How do you think of Debian ? |
| 13:00.06 | wols_ | abrotman: do you want to bet he thinks the dpkg factoids I messaged him came from you? :) |
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| 13:00.16 | wols_ | pip: stop it |
| 13:00.54 | abrotman | wols_: i don't want to know what he thinks |
| 13:01.05 | hoxu | pip, or more like, continue your proposals in private |
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| 13:02.00 | wols_ | not mucht to know, that information is light :) |
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| 13:15.53 | damog | is SSL supported on Etch's mysql package? |
| 13:16.48 | Maulkin | Yes, I think |
| 13:17.25 | wols_ | don't see any ssl depends |
| 13:18.17 | rafallo | hello. when i'm installing debian lenny, i get error (ssl-cert) : hostname: Unknown host |
| 13:19.39 | gemidjy | why wlassistant has kde4 dependencies when it is a kde3 application? |
| 13:20.45 | wols_ | !tell rafallo about hostname |
| 13:20.50 | schizophrenie | soo i am back |
| 13:21.02 | schizophrenie | i want to do raid, but i don't know how |
| 13:21.03 | schizophrenie | http://imaj.at/36199.jpg |
| 13:21.09 | schizophrenie | thats where i am now |
| 13:21.17 | abrotman | !it |
| 13:21.17 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
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| 13:21.18 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 13:21.20 | abrotman | !ig |
| 13:21.20 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 13:22.44 | Ace2016 | Hi all, hi wools |
| 13:23.25 | abrotman | wols_: you have a fan! |
| 13:23.45 | Ace2016 | anyone know how to copy the mbr from one hard disk to another? |
| 13:23.47 | Ace2016 | or into a file? |
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| 13:24.04 | damog | !it |
| 13:24.04 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
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| 13:24.28 | Younix | how do i get X working on debian |
| 13:24.36 | wols_ | abrotman: unfortunately. is there something like a pet asylum for fans? |
| 13:24.46 | Ace2016 | :D |
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| 13:24.52 | wols_ | !tell Younix about install xorg |
| 13:24.55 | AlexC_ | anyone know of a good guide/article on how to compile applications in Debian, specifically - Apache2? |
| 13:25.03 | Lewoco | Is there any way to make aptitude not look shit? |
| 13:25.12 | AlexC_ | O_o |
| 13:25.17 | Younix | lol |
| 13:25.20 | wols_ | AlexC_: why can't you use the debian version? |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | AlexC_: aptitude install apache2 |
| 13:25.42 | AlexC_ | wols_, because to change the SuEXEC docroot, I have to go the nice friendly way and recompile the entire Apache2 package |
| 13:25.43 | Ace2016 | Lewoco: tried synaptic? |
| 13:25.48 | abrotman | Lewoco: don't use the interactive bit? |
| 13:25.55 | schizophrenie | can someone help me, i am in the manual |
| 13:26.01 | AlexC_ | abrotman, I can't =) That sets to docroot of SuEXEC to /var/www when I need to to be /home |
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| 13:26.18 | abrotman | AlexC_: so change the documentroot |
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| 13:26.26 | wols_ | AlexC_: get the debian sources and compile them with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:26.28 | kqrl | hey is there anyone here that has time to explain a little about x displays for me? or maybe give me a link somewhere? |
| 13:26.31 | AlexC_ | abrotman, yes, which requires re-compling Apache2 |
| 13:26.35 | Younix | wols_: thank you. :P |
| 13:26.36 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 13:26.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:26.40 | Ace2016 | wools is more like ghost, like those ghosts which look like people with sheets on them, but hes made of wool and has big cartoon eyes on, thats what i kep seeing when wols responds to people |
| 13:26.43 | abrotman | AlexC_: not even close |
| 13:26.52 | abrotman | Ace2016: probably because you can't get his name right |
| 13:26.53 | Lewoco | Ace2016: Well I prefer aptitude, I just don't understand why it doesn't draw menus properly, and why all the windowing characters look so horrible. |
| 13:27.06 | AlexC_ | abrotman, yes, very close. If you read what I said, I said the 'SuEXEC' docroot, not the DocumentRoot for Apache |
| 13:27.07 | wols_ | Lewoco: wrong codepage or such |
| 13:27.15 | Lewoco | wols_: Ok, How do I change that? |
| 13:27.24 | Ace2016 | i know its wols but wools is better, like different kinds of wollen materials |
| 13:27.35 | abrotman | AlexC_: okay .. have fun! |
| 13:27.37 | wols_ | Ace2016: do you have a debian question? |
| 13:27.41 | abrotman | !tell AlexC_ about source |
| 13:27.45 | AlexC_ | wols_, that's what I need help with, I have no idea how to use dpkg-buildpackage and really compile anything |
| 13:28.13 | AlexC_ | abrotman, ok, that should help a little, thanks |
| 13:28.22 | Lewoco | wols_: Is the codepage the same thing as TERM? |
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| 13:28.36 | Ace2016 | wols_: how do you copy the mbr from one hard disk to another, or just copy from the mbr to a file, mbr to a partition would be good too |
| 13:28.45 | Ace2016 | a tiny parition just for the mbr |
| 13:29.03 | Ace2016 | so grub could pass to the mbr on another parition |
| 13:29.09 | wols_ | dd if=/dev/hda of=file.partition bs=512 count=1 |
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| 13:29.48 | Ace2016 | the mbr is only 512 bits long? |
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| 13:31.10 | Lewoco | bytes |
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| 13:31.24 | thexception | hi |
| 13:31.25 | Younix | i've a got. |
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| 13:31.45 | Ace2016 | well its still tiny, why so small? and why does it not show up on say parted |
| 13:31.50 | Ace2016 | or fdisk |
| 13:31.52 | enouf | 440 |
| 13:32.15 | thexception | i have the problem that i can't change the resolution of my console/shell |
| 13:32.23 | thexception | vga=xxx does not work for me |
| 13:32.33 | Lewoco | because it's not a partition... |
| 13:32.35 | thexception | it's a ati radeon x1250 |
| 13:32.36 | Ace2016 | vga=791 |
| 13:32.54 | thexception | Ace2016: like is said it does not work it's says it's wrong |
| 13:33.03 | Lewoco | Besides, fdisk and parted use the MBR indirectly... how else do you think it know what the partitions are. |
| 13:33.16 | thexception | scna show only "0F00-0F07 VGA" |
| 13:33.20 | thexception | *scan |
| 13:33.20 | Lewoco | The partition table is part of the MBR. |
| 13:33.51 | Ace2016 | oh so mbr has the partition table, oh i guess you couldn't delete it with parted to reclaim the space then |
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| 13:34.25 | stew | the mbr has the primary partitions, not the logical partitions |
| 13:34.36 | stew | (at least for a dos partition table) |
| 13:35.10 | Ace2016 | why don't they just make a new partition system, one with say 64 partitions max, then it'd be good for a few decades |
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| 13:36.22 | Lewoco | backwards compatibility of course |
| 13:36.39 | wols_ | they did. with EFI |
| 13:36.52 | wols_ | do you see EFI used ynwhere? well.. macs |
| 13:36.56 | stew | what is the maximum number of partitions for a dos partition table? |
| 13:37.01 | stew | is it less than 64? |
| 13:37.15 | wols_ | stew: since it'S chained, basically as many as you want |
| 13:37.28 | stew | right |
| 13:37.35 | wols_ | size overall is constrained at 2TB tho |
| 13:37.48 | wols_ | with 512byte sectors at least |
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| 13:37.55 | wols_ | so we will soon need a new scheme |
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| 13:39.13 | Ace2016 | so if you get a 5TB hard disk you'd be stuck with a logical partition with a 5TB extended parition in it? |
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| 13:40.34 | wols_ | you cannot make a 5TB extneded partition |
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| 13:40.46 | wols_ | the biggest you can make is a 2TB one |
| 13:40.59 | wols_ | meaning the other 3TB will stay empty, unless you use GPT |
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| 13:41.16 | KrAmMeR | i am having trouble running the "lame" audio codec |
| 13:41.30 | KrAmMeR | getting this error:" lame: error while loading shared libraries: libtinfo.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 13:41.49 | KrAmMeR | can anyone help? |
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| 13:41.54 | wfq | hi guys |
| 13:42.16 | KrAmMeR | im using sidux |
| 13:42.22 | wols_ | !sidux |
| 13:42.22 | dpkg | from memory, sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ irc.oftc.net. See also <based on Debian caveats>. |
| 13:42.34 | wfq | does anyone know what the packag of Xserver-xorg source is for debian of should I donwload it directly from the xorg page? |
| 13:42.49 | wols_ | wfq: pdo does |
| 13:42.59 | Ace2016 | thats a part of ncurses |
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| 13:43.31 | Cripps | I have a usb logitech headset ... I want to switch the alsa output from the default hardware (onboard soundcard) to my headset ... does somebody know how to do this, or where I can find out how to do this? |
| 13:43.33 | KrAmMeR | im trying to convert m4a to mp3...but lame isnt workin |
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| 13:43.48 | wfq | wols_, sorry what you mean with 'pdo does'please? |
| 13:43.55 | wols_ | !tell wfq about pdo |
| 13:43.56 | Ace2016 | Cripps: don't you just plug it into the headphone jack and the mic port? |
| 13:44.01 | wols_ | KrAmMeR: you won't get help with sidux here |
| 13:44.27 | stew | wfq: apt-get source xserver-xorg ? |
| 13:44.31 | KrAmMeR | why not? |
| 13:44.38 | Ace2016 | well its debian |
| 13:44.43 | abrotman | KrAmMeR: we support Debian here. Sidux is NOT debian |
| 13:44.46 | stew | KrAmMeR: becuase this is a debian help channel, not a sidux help channel. |
| 13:44.48 | Ace2016 | but you can try installing ncurses |
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| 13:45.20 | abrotman | damn morons from PA |
| 13:45.56 | wfq | thank you guys. stew, that worked!. thanks a lot |
| 13:46.00 | Ace2016 | PA? |
| 13:46.11 | Cripps | Ace2016, because it's a usb headset. |
| 13:46.14 | stew | Ace2016: abrotman's home state |
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| 13:50.28 | Ramattack | Hi |
| 13:50.43 | Ramattack | does anybody know where should be placed amavis-stats.conf file for debian package? |
| 13:50.51 | Ramattack | does anyone use it= |
| 13:50.52 | Ramattack | ? |
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| 13:52.33 | hoxu | Ramattack, use dpkg -L <package> |
| 13:52.42 | hoxu | Ramattack, configs are in /etc |
| 13:53.04 | Ramattack | nothing there... mm.. |
| 13:53.15 | Younix | what is usually the location for the mouse |
| 13:53.18 | Younix | like .../dev/ something |
| 13:53.21 | Ramattack | I needed to change a config for supporting virtual domains |
| 13:53.23 | Younix | for PS/2 |
| 13:53.31 | Ramattack | /dev/psaux isn't? |
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| 13:53.46 | Younix | iono |
| 13:53.51 | Younix | okay yes |
| 13:53.53 | Younix | dpkg says |
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| 13:54.40 | abrotman | uh |
| 13:54.47 | abrotman | Younix: /dev/input/mice |
| 13:55.02 | Younix | nah |
| 13:55.13 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:55.14 | Younix | i was getting errors from X when i told it to look at /dev/input/mice |
| 13:55.19 | Younix | but i changed it to /dev/psaux, and it wokred |
| 13:55.20 | Younix | worked* |
| 13:55.21 | Younix | so, no..sir |
| 13:55.25 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:55.28 | Younix | sure. |
| 13:55.41 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice is the combination of /dev/psaux and other mouse devices |
| 13:55.53 | Younix | well..wasn't working until i changed it to /dev/psaux |
| 13:55.58 | Younix | im using an old version of debian |
| 13:56.03 | abrotman | ah |
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| 13:56.05 | enouf | it is /dev/input/mice for debian, udev, hal, dbus |
| 13:56.06 | Younix | 3.1 |
| 13:56.23 | wols_ | Younix:why so old? |
| 13:56.27 | Younix | hmm |
| 13:56.28 | enouf | you ppl type too fast |
| 13:56.32 | abrotman | enouf: what you say?! |
| 13:56.34 | Younix | i have no cd burner.. |
| 13:56.45 | abrotman | Younix: you could install sarge and dist-upgrade to etch .. then install X |
| 13:56.57 | Younix | how would i install sarge with no CD burner |
| 13:57.02 | abrotman | you have it installed now |
| 13:57.17 | enouf | goodbye-windows.com |
| 13:57.42 | Younix | abrotman: now that I have X working, i'll browse about and try to find information on upgrading |
| 13:57.46 | Younix | because im not too sure on how to do it |
| 13:57.58 | wfq | I am trying to compile my graphic driver and I installed tools and libs that I need but I am being asked for: configure: error: Must have X server >= 1.3 source tree for mode setting code. Please specify --with-xserver-source |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | !tell Younix about sarge->etch |
| 13:58.27 | wols_ | wfq: you don't need X sources. you need headers |
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| 13:58.51 | wfq | hmmmmmmmm I downloaded the source of it |
| 13:58.51 | Younix | ah, thanks abrotman |
| 13:59.30 | abrotman | Younix: though i will tell you it would have been easier to do before installing X .. but whatever |
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| 14:01.04 | wfq | well I am doing apt-cache search headers | grep xorg and I am getting xserver-xorg-dev |
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| 14:01.21 | wfq | wols_, and they are already installed or that is what dpkg -l says |
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| 14:01.32 | abrotman | wfq: which version of debian ? |
| 14:01.38 | kqrl | i want to launch a fullscreen open gl-application on a second x display (to be able to switch quickly between the game and other apps), how do i do this? i have been able to start up a second display with X :1.0, now how do I direct etqw (the app i'm talking about) to the second display? |
| 14:01.47 | wols_ | wfq: then check the configure log what it actually wants |
| 14:02.08 | enouf | ./configure --help , README, INSTALL, etc |
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| 14:02.31 | wfq | abrotman, cat /etc/debian-version says 4.0 |
| 14:02.49 | Ramattack | has anyone ever setup up amavis-stats or has any good howto? I needed to setup per-domain stats but can't find valid documentation for debian etch package.... :( |
| 14:02.50 | abrotman | i doubt he has X 1.3 |
| 14:02.52 | Saga | hello im trying to install lenny from cd, when it reaches the point where basesystem is installed it asks me to insert cd1 to continue installation ( the one i have in drive already), and cdrom stopps responding, ie. does not eject the cd etc. maybe someone encountered that ? |
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| 14:03.08 | wfq | thanks abrotman,wols_, enough |
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| 14:03.19 | abrotman | wfq: which driver is it ? |
| 14:03.46 | wfq | abrotman, Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 14:04.06 | wfq | I am following the addresses on the inter graphic linux web site |
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| 14:04.28 | gan | hai how to update the grub |
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| 14:04.57 | enouf | man update-grub? |
| 14:05.45 | wfq | the problem is I am being asked for 1.3, the current version is 1.3 |
| 14:05.52 | wfq | sorry 1.1 |
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| 14:06.08 | abrotman | wfq: just use the driver in etch already |
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| 14:06.50 | wfq | abrotman, but this is vesa and I can not get 1280X800 which is what I need |
| 14:07.09 | abrotman | did you try the i810 driver? |
| 14:08.20 | wfq | abrotman, yes but Xorg log is telling me that can not be |
| 14:09.13 | wfq | I am worried, because all the xorg's stuff that the compiled driver needs has been doen with xorg 1.1 so If I a supply now 1.3, everything can get messed up |
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| 14:09.13 | abrotman | what cannot be? |
| 14:09.37 | wfq | abrotman, the X does not start and it is telling me something like that driver is not valid for the current hardware |
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| 14:10.20 | abrotman | wfq: man i810 .. do you see the 965 mentioned ?> |
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| 14:10.30 | enouf | !which driver |
| 14:10.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 14:10.32 | abrotman | wfq: is this for a server or worktstion ? |
| 14:10.35 | abrotman | station |
| 14:11.10 | wfq | workstation |
| 14:11.31 | wfq | I am (unfortunately for me) a web developer and I need this resolution |
| 14:11.31 | abrotman | wfq: unless you really want etch .. i'd just go with lenny and be done wiht it |
| 14:11.42 | abrotman | and .. if you don't like your job .. get a new one :) |
| 14:11.43 | wfq | otherwise, I don't care |
| 14:11.57 | wfq | :) |
| 14:12.38 | enouf | 915resolution pkg? |
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| 14:12.51 | abrotman | i think the intel driver in etch doesn't do the 965 |
| 14:13.36 | abrotman | that's why i told him to check the man page |
| 14:13.58 | wfq | 915 is not valid, my chipset is different |
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| 14:14.16 | wfq | I tried and the installation is telling me that my chipset is not the one supposed to be |
| 14:14.20 | abrotman | no .. the 915resolution package is for intel 9xx cards that need a special resolution mode |
| 14:14.28 | abrotman | wfq: CHECK THE i810 MAN PAEG |
| 14:14.34 | abrotman | argh .. stupid keyboard |
| 14:14.44 | abrotman | wfq: unless you really want etch .. i'd just go with lenny and be done wiht it |
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| 14:15.46 | wfq | abrotman, I read your comment before.. Last time I left debian I used to use sarge so you can imagine what my position is respect this field now :) |
| 14:16.48 | abrotman | wfq: i'm not sure what that means |
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| 14:17.27 | wfq | sorry,my english is horrible, I meant it is long time I haven't used debian so you are suggesting me to upgrade etch to lenny? |
| 14:17.52 | abrotman | wfq: lenny will be the next stable .. it has more up to date software, including a driver that supports your 965 |
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| 14:18.32 | enouf | your english is pretty darned good and you seem attentive and listening and such ..unlike most wintendo weenies |
| 14:18.54 | DustyBin | I ⥠Debian |
| 14:19.15 | LV-426 | me too |
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| 14:20.20 | Thanatermesis | any recommendation of any possible tool to made misc FS benchmarks ? |
| 14:20.30 | abrotman | bonnie |
| 14:20.51 | abrotman | maybe lmbench |
| 14:21.06 | Deezire | bonnie++ <3 |
| 14:21.21 | abrotman | !info bonnie++ etch |
| 14:21.23 | dpkg | bonnie++: (Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite.), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.03a+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 14:21.26 | abrotman | !info lmbench etch |
| 14:21.28 | dpkg | lmbench: (Utilities to benchmark UNIX systems), section non-free/admin, is optional. Version: 3.0-a7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 779 kB, Installed size: 3516 kB |
| 14:21.45 | Thanatermesis | a compressed filesystem takes more CPU when it reads data ? or is more "light" in all the ways (aparently is more fast to read) |
| 14:21.58 | wfq | oh my god!, I struggled to install my ipw4965 and the network manager so I can't imagine to have a new clean installation but I think I am going ahead |
| 14:22.20 | abrotman | wfq: you don't have to do a new installation |
| 14:22.36 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: what makes you think it would be easier to read from a compressed filesystem? |
| 14:23.06 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, less size = more fast reading |
| 14:23.23 | wfq | abrotman, I don't think it will be as easy as changing my apt/source.list + update+upgrade+ dist-upgrade? |
| 14:23.28 | Thanatermesis | but i don't know about the cpu (i supose that is needed some cpu to read it) |
| 14:23.28 | abrotman | but it has to read that file ..and uncompress it |
| 14:23.33 | abrotman | wfq: why not? |
| 14:23.46 | wkt | is some guy notice that gdm got a segment fault when system down ! |
| 14:24.00 | wfq | abrotman, that would be really nice news |
| 14:24.02 | wkt | yes ,it is sid |
| 14:24.17 | abrotman | wkt: bugs.debian.org/gdm |
| 14:24.18 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, yes, the reading step seems to be more fast (and that's what i have see on a gentoo howto), but i don't know about the cpu (uncompressing it, like you say) |
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| 14:24.45 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: time for you to test |
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| 14:24.54 | abrotman | !tell wfq about etch->lenny |
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| 14:25.26 | Thanatermesis | ok |
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| 14:27.45 | cyzie | how to check hard disk to see if it got error in term of physical damage? |
| 14:28.07 | neosix | hello! How can I enable bootsplash on Lenny? In repos. I can find only usplash and splashy, I cen't find linux-patch bootsplash |
| 14:28.07 | abrotman | man badblocks ? |
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| 14:28.45 | LV-426 | Q by example : what would it take to get all /bin commands to accept the '-h' flag ? does this fall into the general avoidance of enforcing any cross-map requirements on GPL'ed software ? is it beyond the power of the Debian community ? |
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| 14:29.41 | abrotman | LV-426: you mean to display help ? |
| 14:29.45 | orveldv | cyzie: running a closed-source software like spinrite? |
| 14:29.55 | abrotman | orveldv: man badblocks |
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| 14:30.09 | abrotman | LV-426: if the binary doesn't do it, it would have to be patched |
| 14:30.24 | Kevin` | cyzie use smartmontools |
| 14:30.25 | Thanatermesis | ah, stew is here... stew, i think that there's a extra "set -x" in ivman-launch |
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| 14:30.37 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: in your elive package? |
| 14:30.37 | LV-426 | abrotman, yes, but it's just an example... another one would be a defauld configuration file format... |
| 14:30.42 | Kevin` | slaps orveldv for recommending something silly like spinrite |
| 14:30.46 | abrotman | LV-426: good luck |
| 14:30.53 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, i think that in the debian one, actually is the same |
| 14:31.03 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: why don't you verify that before bothering stew |
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| 14:31.18 | abrotman | especially with non-debian issues |
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| 14:31.29 | orveldv | slaps Kevin` back ; I wasn't really recommending |
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| 14:32.06 | stew | Thanatermesis: there is one occurance of "set -x". are you saying that one is extra? or are you saying there are 2 occurances? |
| 14:32.06 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, well, i have verified that a time ago (i can be sure right now), this is why i just comment it to stew, ok... let me do it |
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| 14:32.49 | Thanatermesis | yes, verified |
| 14:33.13 | Thanatermesis | stew, there's only one, i supose that these messages are not needed, this is why i report it you |
| 14:33.21 | stew | Thanatermesis: exactly which file are you talking about? |
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| 14:33.36 | Younix | hmm |
| 14:33.45 | Thanatermesis | /usr/bin/ivman-launch |
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| 14:34.18 | stew | Thanatermesis: file a wishlist bug |
| 14:34.28 | Thanatermesis | ok |
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| 14:35.28 | bsd | hi, friends |
| 14:35.43 | neosix | so can anybody help me with bootsplash on Lenny? |
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| 14:36.42 | wfq | abrotman, thank you very much for your help. I will take a break and go back to the battle. Thanks guys for your help as always. |
| 14:36.43 | PupUserd1a338 | Does anybody know the command line to restart icewm? |
| 14:36.44 | bsd | Is not there a dedicated channel for CDBS (Common Debian Build System)? |
| 14:37.04 | stew | bsd: no, try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 14:37.27 | bsd | stew: thanks |
| 14:37.32 | lady_6thofAu | i have atheros + madwifi and static ip. every 3 hours the connection drops. i dont know any setting responsible for such behaviour. bgscan is disabled, ip is not within router's dynamic range and also checked bios - everything seems ok. any ideas? |
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| 14:37.47 | stew | bsd: or consider dropping CDBS becuase it is an enigma once you want to try to change its behaviour |
| 14:38.00 | Austin` | I'm having a problem with my filesystem. After I reboot its normal, and then about 15 - 45 minutes in, it goes into read-only filesystem. I think that the problem is in this line: /dev/sda1 / ext3 defaults,usrquota,errors=remount-ro 0 1 (from /etc/fstab) any help? |
| 14:39.48 | hoxu | Austin`, hum, anything in the logs? |
| 14:40.16 | bsd | stew: ok, but I was using it since long and have few tiny suggestions, anyway it is solving my purpose |
| 14:40.17 | LV-426 | lady_6thofAu, did you check if your nic has some power saving feature ? |
| 14:40.21 | orveldv | Austin`: when you fsck your fs everything looks fine? |
| 14:40.29 | lady_6thofAu | yes, powersaving is off |
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| 14:41.24 | lady_6thofAu | LV-426, powersaving is off but i dunno it seems that it is smthing because its every 3 hours, but have no clue what |
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| 14:43.09 | Thanatermesis | stew, i send it via email, by "wishlist" do you mean to send it in any special way ? |
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| 14:44.56 | Yarcanox | all my browsers and xchat need up to 20 seconds to resolve a domain name |
| 14:44.57 | orveldv | Austin`: fs errors can also be caused by a defective RAM ; you might want to get memtest86+ and check your RAM too |
| 14:45.04 | Yarcanox | but nslookup in the console is pretty fast |
| 14:45.06 | Ramattack | hey mates one little question |
| 14:45.10 | Yarcanox | what can I do to fix this? it is very annoying |
| 14:45.16 | Ramattack | what in under /etc/cron.d when is launched? |
| 14:45.18 | Yarcanox | I'm feeling like having a 56kbps modem instead of DSL |
| 14:45.21 | Yarcanox | or even slower |
| 14:45.23 | Ramattack | when it's said in the own file' |
| 14:45.24 | Ramattack | ? |
| 14:45.35 | Yarcanox | it works fine on the windows machine which uses the same DSL router/connection |
| 14:45.40 | Ramattack | it works like it was in crontab -e entered= |
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| 14:50.38 | hoxu | Yarcanox, do you have that delay for all hostnames and applications? |
| 14:50.58 | Yarcanox | yes, it seems like I do |
| 14:51.04 | Yarcanox | even for netcat |
| 14:51.08 | Yarcanox | but nslookup itself is fast |
| 14:51.19 | Yarcanox | and it works fine and fast for hosts I entered into the hosts list |
| 14:51.42 | Yarcanox | (where localhost & stuff are, I added there one or two domains I need very often with their ip and they work pretty fast & normal now) |
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| 14:52.10 | Yarcanox | so it seems to hang at the lookup part, although nslookup needs only a small part of a second to complete |
| 14:52.14 | Yarcanox | (if executed manually) |
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| 14:53.55 | moshisushi | hello it seems emacs ignores the Xdefaults file in debian, anyone knows why? |
| 14:54.19 | Thanatermesis | is there any recommendation of a FAST (read/write) usb key ? |
| 14:54.28 | moshisushi | i want it for the "emacs.reverseVideo: on" thing |
| 14:55.03 | simonrvn | not for me; Xresources "sensitive" apps have particular requirements, one of which being the case of the options |
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| 14:55.46 | simonrvn | symlink .Xdefaults to .Xresources (or vice-versa) |
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| 14:56.24 | hoxu | Yarcanox, try seeing what's going on with tcpdump |
| 14:56.26 | simonrvn | Emacs.foo XEmacs.foo |
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| 14:56.44 | simonrvn | moshisushi: ^^^ |
| 14:56.46 | Yarcanox | hoxu I thought DNS would be UDP? |
| 14:57.02 | simonrvn | in most cases, it can also do tcp |
| 14:57.06 | hoxu | Yarcanox, tcpdump does not dump only tcp :) |
| 14:57.18 | Yarcanox | o |
| 14:57.19 | Yarcanox | k |
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| 14:57.22 | dude_ | Thanatermesis: peal are pretty good |
| 14:57.29 | Yarcanox | I never used it, I hope it isn't too complicated =P |
| 14:57.32 | simonrvn | no kidding ;) |
| 14:57.34 | dude_ | peak* |
| 14:57.39 | hoxu | Yarcanox, tcpdump -ni eth0 |
| 14:57.39 | moshisushi | (set-background-color "black") in .emacs did the trick though :) |
| 14:57.49 | moshisushi | so no reason to mess with the Xdefaults i guess |
| 14:57.55 | simonrvn | tcpdump syntax is rather verbose but easy |
| 14:58.03 | moshisushi | just did that on my old system.. |
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| 14:58.05 | Thanatermesis | dude_, i have ear the other day about one that has a big X in the logo, i don't remember the name |
| 14:58.09 | Yarcanox | nice |
| 14:58.12 | Yarcanox | it sends a lot of UDP stuff |
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| 14:58.46 | Yarcanox | hm |
| 14:58.51 | Yarcanox | hoxu how can I do a reverse-host lookup? |
| 14:59.29 | simonrvn | you can add not port xxxx it ignore some ports, like say 22 if you're over ssh to the host you're running the dump on |
| 14:59.38 | simonrvn | s,it,to, |
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| 14:59.41 | matrix | hi |
| 14:59.47 | matrix | http://rafb.net/p/IjHSbt63.html |
| 14:59.49 | dude_ | Thanatermesis: don't know |
| 14:59.55 | matrix | what can i do that problem ? |
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| 15:00.01 | Yarcanox | simonrvn how can I ignore ports? |
| 15:00.07 | Yarcanox | and how can I do reverse host lookups? |
| 15:00.21 | Yarcanox | there is one ip that appears pretty often and I'm curious waht it is :) probably freenode or something |
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| 15:00.46 | simonrvn | i just said it |
| 15:01.07 | simonrvn | not port xxxx ; for irc it'd be 6667 |
| 15:01.18 | Yarcanox | ah ok just in the commandline then? |
| 15:01.24 | Yarcanox | and how can I do reverse host lookups :) |
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| 15:01.37 | simonrvn | man it for more options |
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| 15:01.50 | simonrvn | it does them by default |
| 15:01.56 | hoxu | Yarcanox, yes, man tcpdump, it's the last parameter, IP lookup with whatever utility you did the host name lookup with, nslookup, host, dig... |
| 15:02.10 | Yarcanox | no, I want to do a reserve host lookup myself |
| 15:02.17 | Yarcanox | just like using nslookup |
| 15:02.35 | hoxu | uh, what? |
| 15:02.49 | Yarcanox | I just want to type "nsreverselookup <ip>" or something and get the domain(s) |
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| 15:02.59 | Yarcanox | no tcpdump or something, just reverse host lookup :) |
| 15:03.19 | hoxu | Yarcanox, I just told you, and you don't get domain(s), you get only one PTR record |
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| 15:03.46 | Yarcanox | ah |
| 15:03.48 | Yarcanox | so it's "host" |
| 15:03.55 | Yarcanox | that was a bit unclear in your previous line |
| 15:03.59 | Yarcanox | works fine :) thanks then |
| 15:04.23 | hoxu | warms the enter factoid up |
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| 15:04.53 | simonrvn | starts hearing some buzzing |
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| 15:06.02 | XTZGZoReX | what port does SFTP run on? |
| 15:06.21 | simonrvn | it's just ssh |
| 15:06.35 | XTZGZoReX | well, SmartFTP is supposed to be able to connect to it. |
| 15:06.47 | XTZGZoReX | or should i use another client for SFTP, maybe? |
| 15:07.06 | simonrvn | i don't know wtf "SmartFTP" is |
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| 15:07.54 | XTZGZoReX | It's a Windows program. |
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| 15:08.48 | hoxu | !not supporting SmartFTP |
| 15:08.48 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support SmartFTP too. Try #SmartFTP or donating money to charity. |
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| 15:09.19 | wols_ | Solver_: filezilla or winscp will work |
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| 15:09.32 | simonrvn | we don't care about windows here, except maybe if it's a wm in debian or some x terminal |
| 15:09.40 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: filezilla or winscp will work |
| 15:10.02 | XTZGZoReX | Thanks. |
| 15:10.19 | Yarcanox | hm |
| 15:10.24 | Yarcanox | hoxu I got the output of the DNS resolution now |
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| 15:10.39 | hoxu | Yarcanox, does it do IPv6 lookup first or what? |
| 15:10.45 | maligor | or a quick way to escape when the Free Software Police come knocking |
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| 15:11.28 | Yarcanox | I dunno hoxu :) |
| 15:11.33 | Yarcanox | I don't understand it |
| 15:11.41 | Yarcanox | wait I'll paste a bit somewhere |
| 15:12.18 | cornmoon_blue | my soundcard is sb16. It can be probed but can`t configured. |
| 15:12.25 | cornmoon_blue | why ? |
| 15:12.38 | simonrvn | works here |
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| 15:12.58 | simonrvn | isa card even |
| 15:12.58 | maligor | ancient relics from the mists of time, huh |
| 15:13.11 | maligor | can isa settings be probed? |
| 15:13.26 | maligor | since I remember those cards having manually set ports and irqs |
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| 15:13.43 | maligor | so if it can't be probed, one would assume it has to be set as a module option |
| 15:13.50 | cornmoon_blue | when probing ,it can be found. after it is said that no soundcards found. where`s the problem? |
| 15:14.04 | cornmoon_blue | who can help me? |
| 15:14.13 | Yarcanox | hoxu passed you a notice |
| 15:14.16 | simonrvn | i use snd_sb16, snd_opl3_* |
| 15:14.32 | simonrvn | er, snd_sb16_* even |
| 15:15.19 | simonrvn | ....note that i build my own.. the debian kernel probably has those, do modprobe -l | grep -E '(opl3|sb16)' |
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| 15:15.58 | maligor | they have no module options too, I guess it's autoprobed |
| 15:16.51 | hoxu | Yarcanox, you should've showed it to the channel... I'm assuming you entered www.softgames.de in the browser, how long did it take for it to resolve? |
| 15:17.02 | maligor | I remember when they moved to PnP stuff, I was terrified that I couldn't choose the irq settings |
| 15:17.11 | Yarcanox | I entered google.de and that softgame thingy a bit earlier |
| 15:17.20 | simonrvn | i just had to set aside some irqs |
| 15:17.28 | Yarcanox | the site was already loaded, probably it accessed some subfile, I dunno |
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| 15:17.52 | simonrvn | oh yeh, and a dma slot |
| 15:17.54 | Yarcanox | and it took... hum. google needed probably 10 seconds to resolve hoxu |
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| 15:18.21 | Yarcanox | at least 4 or 5 seconds, I think a bit more |
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| 15:19.42 | Yarcanox | hoxu just took a clock and tested it: |
| 15:19.44 | hoxu | !ping |
| 15:19.44 | dpkg | pong |
| 15:19.47 | Yarcanox | google.de needed 20 seconds to resolve |
| 15:19.53 | Yarcanox | and after that, it started resolving www.google.de (redirect) |
| 15:20.23 | hoxu | Yarcanox, hrem, I see only AAAA lookups for google.de, which is query for IPv6 address... do you have IPv6 connectivity? |
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| 15:20.34 | cornmoon_blue | options bt87x index=-2 |
| 15:20.35 | cornmoon_blue | options cx88_alsa index=-2 |
| 15:20.35 | cornmoon_blue | options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2 |
| 15:20.35 | cornmoon_blue | options snd-intel8x0m index=-2 |
| 15:20.35 | cornmoon_blue | options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2 |
| 15:20.35 | cornmoon_blue | options snd-sb16 model=3stack |
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| 15:20.43 | Yarcanox | no hoxu |
| 15:20.45 | hoxu | !tell cornmoon_blue about paste |
| 15:20.59 | Yarcanox | no IPv6. the startup messages tell something about... IPv6 disabled, no IPv6 connectivity |
| 15:21.06 | Yarcanox | and some IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver |
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| 15:21.29 | Spee_Der | is using IPv6 in Debian (Lenny). |
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| 15:23.27 | cornmoon_blue | i am sorry |
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| 15:23.33 | Danielss89 | hi, how do i create a user who's homedir is /var/www/dir |
| 15:23.46 | Danielss89 | so that he only can access that dir from ftp |
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| 15:24.28 | hoxu | Danielss89, chroot or a virtual chroot if you are really speaking of FTP, for the latter, consult your ftp daemon's manual |
| 15:24.35 | hoxu | Danielss89, not all ftp servers support that |
| 15:24.36 | Absolute0 | In order to switch to lenny I just replace every "etch" or "stable" to lenny in sources.list? |
| 15:24.51 | hoxu | Yarcanox, if you have a debian kernel, try "rmmod ipv6" and testing it again |
| 15:25.01 | ben_goodger | Absolute0: yes |
| 15:25.12 | Yarcanox | ERROR: Module ipv6 is in use |
| 15:25.27 | hoxu | !tell Absolute0 about etch->lenny |
| 15:25.32 | ben_goodger | dpkg, tell Absolute0 about <etch->lenny |
| 15:25.35 | Absolute0 | ben_goodger: does backports have a lenny repo? |
| 15:25.39 | ben_goodger | oh, beat me to it |
| 15:25.48 | hoxu | Yarcanox, well, this *may* be of use: http://beranger.org/index.php?article=1127&page=3k |
| 15:25.53 | ben_goodger | Absolute0: no, backports contains things backported from lenny ^^ |
| 15:26.18 | cornmoon_blue | #flood |
| 15:26.23 | Absolute0 | ben_goodger: So I should remove the backports line then? |
| 15:26.28 | Yarcanox | cornmoon_blue type /join #flood |
| 15:26.30 | Younix | isn't there a program that takes snapshots of your desktop and whatnot |
| 15:27.00 | Absolute0 | Younix: scrot |
| 15:27.16 | Yarcanox | cornmoon_blue you could also go to http://pastebin.org/ |
| 15:27.21 | hoxu | Absolute0, correct |
| 15:27.22 | Yarcanox | enter the stuff into the textbox and click on paste |
| 15:27.31 | XTZGZoReX | What's the command to copy a directory, again? |
| 15:27.33 | Yarcanox | and then give us the URL where you finally get redirected to |
| 15:27.34 | Absolute0 | hoxu, ben_goodger thanks |
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| 15:27.43 | ben_goodger | Absolute0: yeah |
| 15:27.44 | cornmoon_blue | Yarcanox, thankyou! |
| 15:27.44 | ben_goodger | gah, lag |
| 15:27.47 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, cp -r |
| 15:27.56 | XTZGZoReX | Thanks. |
| 15:28.31 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, don't bother learning that though, just learn the man command ;) |
| 15:28.46 | XTZGZoReX | =o |
| 15:29.04 | Absolute0 | hoxu: Is it possible to do a fresh debian install to lenny? |
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| 15:29.23 | Absolute0 | the official disks only do etch |
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| 15:29.31 | hoxu | Absolute0, yes, there is an installer for testing, but it's not recommended because things generally blow up |
| 15:29.42 | Absolute0 | hmm |
| 15:29.57 | Absolute0 | I guess I am used to that coming from a rolling release distro. :P |
| 15:30.37 | Yarcanox | hoxu http://beranger.org/index.php?article=1127&page=3k doesn't help me |
| 15:30.45 | Yarcanox | because the first step tells me about modifying a file which is actually a directory here |
| 15:30.48 | hoxu | also, if you burn the testing installer on a CD, remember to explicitly mark it as "stable/lenny" so that the others can share your pain later on when they run into it thinking it's a stable installer. |
| 15:30.49 | Yarcanox | so I can't modify it :x |
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| 15:31.16 | Yarcanox | ah my bad |
| 15:31.19 | Absolute0 | hoxu: what others? |
| 15:31.20 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 15:31.21 | Yarcanox | that was the description for the old kernel.. |
| 15:31.24 | Yarcanox | sorry :) |
| 15:31.32 | Kevin` | is etch no longer "stable"? |
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| 15:31.50 | Absolute0 | Kevin`: etch was stable for as long as I could remember :) |
| 15:31.57 | Kevin` | that's not what I mean |
| 15:32.08 | Kevin` | is there a new stable release |
| 15:32.09 | hoxu | Absolute0, works at work at least. |
| 15:32.11 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: Does the same go for the mv command? mv -r? |
| 15:32.14 | hoxu | Kevin`, nope |
| 15:32.16 | Kevin` | k |
| 15:32.22 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, the manual page would tell you. |
| 15:32.24 | Danielss89 | hoxu i use vsftp.. |
| 15:32.27 | Danielss89 | does that support it.. |
| 15:32.30 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: Manual pages are evil |
| 15:32.38 | Absolute0 | hoxu: My company uses XP : |
| 15:32.39 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, so am I. |
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| 15:32.44 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: meanie =P |
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| 15:33.02 | aleksanteri | man pages rule |
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| 15:34.05 | bardyr | Hey, where can i download a net install for lenny ? |
| 15:34.06 | Absolute0 | man pages are the man! |
| 15:34.13 | hoxu | Danielss89, some googling / manual reading should tell you that, I only know that pure-ftpd does support virtual chroots |
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| 15:34.23 | Absolute0 | Anyone had any luck generating UML diagrams using maven? |
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| 15:34.30 | hoxu | bardyr, I suggest you go for stable/etch installer and then upgrade to lenny |
| 15:34.52 | bardyr | hoxu, that broke my box last time :/ |
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| 15:35.50 | hoxu | bardyr, uh-huh, testing can be broken sometimes, but I'd rather place my bets on stable->testing upgrade working than the installer not screwing things up |
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| 15:36.49 | matrix | hi |
| 15:36.51 | matrix | how can i install g++ on debian ? |
| 15:37.18 | zamuro | apt-get install g++, maybe? |
| 15:37.20 | SzArAk | apt-get install g++ ? :) |
| 15:37.36 | ricosecada | I am messing around with ucarp a bit, and I have got the two machines setup up so one is the master and the other is the backup, and they switch state if I unplug one. I have one problem, if I ping the virtual IP from a third machine, I don't get any responds, should I not? |
| 15:37.45 | stew | matrix: aptitude install build-essential |
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| 15:38.17 | donald_ | hey guys |
| 15:38.21 | donald_ | and gals.. |
| 15:38.27 | chipi | Hello. I'd like to buy a DVB-T card featuring hardware MPEG2 decoding and, of course, working with Debian out-of-the-box, any recommendation? MPEG4, HD and those things are appreciated as well. Thanks. |
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| 15:38.49 | matrix | tnx all |
| 15:39.18 | donald_ | fixed my earlier issues with network-manager. just downgrade to the stable version and all is well again |
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| 15:40.07 | stew | chipi: check pchdtv.com. they actually ONLY support linux |
| 15:40.31 | chipi | stew: many thanks, will take a look. |
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| 15:41.33 | stew | chipi: i haven't checked their offerings in a while, i bought a 3000 from them a few years ago and had no complaints |
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| 15:42.36 | Younix | what do you do with .deb files |
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| 15:43.31 | chipi | stew: it looks like their card are USA-oriented: "The card receives NTSC, ATSC and Cable/QAM". I need one supporting European standards. |
| 15:43.48 | stew | chipi: ok, i have no idea. i'm a dumb american |
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| 15:44.01 | chipi | stew: nevermind, thanks anyway pal ;) |
| 15:44.31 | iateadonut | i'm wondering about copying playing encrypted dvd's... is there a way to do it? |
| 15:44.32 | Younix | laff |
| 15:44.32 | Younix | nevermind |
| 15:44.33 | stew | Younix: you can install them with 'dpkg -i', but for most people, such a thing should raraly be necessary, as you should be able to get most software via apt-get or aptitude or such |
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| 15:44.44 | cornmoon_blue | here is my question: http://pastebin.org/24859 |
| 15:44.51 | Younix | well stew |
| 15:44.57 | Younix | im trying to install alsa-modules..but erm, it's not working |
| 15:45.03 | Younix | apt-get install alsa-modules isn't, at least |
| 15:45.10 | stew | Younix: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:45.16 | xand | !tell iateadonut about debian-multimedia |
| 15:45.24 | Younix | old kernel is old.. |
| 15:45.27 | Younix | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 15:45.32 | iateadonut | xand: thank you so much! |
| 15:45.37 | stew | Younix: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:45.44 | Younix | 3.1 |
| 15:45.57 | cornmoon_blue | i have the same with Younix |
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| 15:46.25 | xand | chipi: I have some hauppauge wintv nova-t ones... beware some versions don't work in linux afaik; the mythtv website is a good source of info on such cards |
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| 15:46.37 | Petur | Hi everyone :) I've been unable to find the command which displays the local dns cache.. i kinda need directions :o |
| 15:46.38 | stew | Younix: "apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r)" should work. however, you should be upgrading to etch, as support for sarge (3.1) is ending next month |
| 15:46.47 | Younix | hmm |
| 15:46.53 | Younix | is there a how-to for doing such |
| 15:47.00 | stew | !sarge->etch |
| 15:47.00 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support for sarge ends on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
| 15:47.09 | cornmoon_blue | sb16 soundcard can`t be configured,because alsa is old |
| 15:47.30 | stew | Younix: you should also consider moving to a 2.6 kernel which would have alsa built in, and would be one of the steps required in moving to etch |
| 15:47.32 | Younix | and no, stew, that didn't work |
| 15:47.36 | Younix | bah1 |
| 15:47.41 | xand | Petur: there is no cache by defualt |
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| 15:47.49 | Younix | stew, i would..but i think it's gonna be a bit harder not having a cd burner |
| 15:47.49 | stew | Younix: be more specific than "didn't work". did you get an error? what? |
| 15:47.53 | xand | Petur: unless programs have their own |
| 15:47.59 | Younix | couldn't find package alsa-modules-mykernel |
| 15:48.02 | chipi | xand: I've been looking there, there are several models supported. I came here looking for experiences, hrhr ;) |
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| 15:48.16 | stew | Younix: try running "apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r)" |
| 15:48.22 | Younix | .. |
| 15:48.25 | Younix | i just tried that man |
| 15:48.32 | stew | Younix: what exact error did you get? |
| 15:48.33 | xand | chipi: #mythtv-users might be a place to ask |
| 15:48.35 | Younix | lol |
| 15:48.45 | chipi | xand: great, thanks for the pointer ;) |
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| 15:48.56 | Younix | E: Couldn't find package alsa-modules-2.4.27-3-38 |
| 15:49.00 | stew | Younix: a cd burner wouldn't be involved if the machine is on the network |
| 15:49.16 | Younix | it has an internet connection |
| 15:49.17 | stew | Younix: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:49.24 | Younix | lol |
| 15:49.36 | Younix | i can't copy and paste from xterm |
| 15:49.39 | Younix | or, copy rather |
| 15:49.41 | stew | Younix: why not? |
| 15:49.46 | Younix | eh |
| 15:49.55 | stew | Younix: why can't you copy and paste from an xterm? |
| 15:49.55 | jetscreamer | you highlight and middle click |
| 15:50.02 | Younix | oh |
| 15:50.03 | erik_ | I just installed a new DVD writer, na LG GH20. it's a sata thing. The old one (an IDE) gave up and I took it out. What must I do to have Etch forget about the old one and recognize the new one ? |
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| 15:50.24 | jetscreamer | it already did forget |
| 15:50.33 | stew | Younix: alternatively, you could run "apt-cache policy > /tmp/somfile " then upload /tmp/somefile to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php using a web browser |
| 15:50.34 | jetscreamer | you might need to edit fstab though |
| 15:50.47 | Younix | oh |
| 15:50.55 | Younix | yea i knew that.. |
| 15:51.13 | nfsnobody | hey guys, what's the best way to entirely purge apache2 from my system? |
| 15:51.16 | Younix | you don't like rafb.net/paste? |
| 15:51.17 | nfsnobody | I installed it with apt-get |
| 15:51.17 | jetscreamer | took me a while too Younix |
| 15:51.19 | Younix | that's the one i normally use |
| 15:51.24 | stew | nfsnobody: aptitude purge apache2.2-common |
| 15:51.25 | jetscreamer | any pastebin |
| 15:51.26 | Younix | jetscreamer :P |
| 15:51.28 | nfsnobody | i.e. destroying all config files, modules, etc.. |
| 15:51.31 | jetscreamer | that's just the one in the factoid |
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| 15:52.14 | nfsnobody | stew: I think it's still got a few files there... |
| 15:52.18 | stew | nfsnobody: which? |
| 15:52.18 | nfsnobody | I want it entirely gone :) |
| 15:52.19 | Younix | wait a tick, jetscreamer |
| 15:52.21 | Younix | middle click? |
| 15:52.29 | nfsnobody | /etc/apache2/ |
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| 15:52.33 | nfsnobody | bin, conf.d, mods-* |
| 15:52.33 | jetscreamer | yeah while the other is still highlighted |
| 15:52.36 | nfsnobody | etc |
| 15:52.37 | Younix | lol |
| 15:52.40 | Younix | what's middle click |
| 15:52.47 | Younix | i have a mouse wheel... |
| 15:52.47 | jetscreamer | middle mouse button |
| 15:52.49 | Younix | and left and right buttons |
| 15:52.52 | jetscreamer | push it |
| 15:52.54 | Younix | erm |
| 15:52.59 | jetscreamer | push the wheel luke |
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| 15:53.02 | jetscreamer | down not roll |
| 15:53.05 | Younix | that just repastes what's hilighted into the termianl |
| 15:53.06 | Younix | terminal |
| 15:53.11 | Younix | doesn't copy to clipboard for pasting elsewhere |
| 15:53.12 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 15:53.20 | jetscreamer | so paste it somewhere |
| 15:53.25 | Younix | lol |
| 15:53.26 | Younix | can't. |
| 15:53.30 | jetscreamer | can |
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| 15:53.36 | Younix | k. |
| 15:53.36 | jetscreamer | you can paste it most anywhere |
| 15:53.38 | Younix | if you say so |
| 15:53.50 | jetscreamer | if the highlight goes away you can't |
| 15:53.52 | Younix | when i "push-in" the mouse wheel, it pastes it allllll back to the terminal |
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| 15:54.07 | jetscreamer | push the mousewheel when the mouse is elsewhere |
| 15:54.17 | Younix | ah |
| 15:54.19 | jetscreamer | not over the term.. just highlight the term |
| 15:54.35 | Younix | clever |
| 15:54.44 | jetscreamer | highlight is copy, push the button luke is paste |
| 15:54.46 | Younix | http://rafb.net/p/ZM5ySt34.html |
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| 15:55.33 | jetscreamer | !seen peterS |
| 15:55.33 | dpkg | peters <i=~m|ptrS|@208.189.35.122> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 11h 6m 32s ago, saying: 'what can screen really be compared to? we're way beyond sliced bread here'. |
| 15:55.43 | Younix | poke stew |
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| 15:57.00 | Ergo^ | hello guys |
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| 15:58.05 | Younix | jetscreamer, you there? |
| 15:58.08 | Ergo^ | just installed lenny, after being very unhappy about ubuntu 8.04 beta, now as some probably remember i were always unable to install nvidia gfx drivers for 8800gts on etch using one-liner. do i have a better chance to get them going with lenny ? |
| 15:58.11 | stew | Younix: your sources.list is pointing to etch, but you are runnning sarge |
| 15:58.13 | Younix | how the heck would i go about upgrading to etch without a cd burner |
| 15:58.19 | Younix | stew, see last statement |
| 15:58.20 | stew | Younix: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:58.23 | Younix | ah1 |
| 15:58.25 | jetscreamer | Younix: from what |
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| 15:58.26 | Younix | goshdarn typos |
| 15:58.28 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 15:59.05 | jetscreamer | Ergo^: no you don't lenny is famous for not working with nvidia the debian way |
| 15:59.12 | jetscreamer | !tell Ergo^ -about nvrun |
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| 15:59.25 | stew | nfsnobody: use "dpkg -S filename" to see if you can determine which packages the files in /etc/apache2 belong to |
| 15:59.38 | Ergo^ | jetscreamer: thank you very much :] |
| 16:00.07 | jetscreamer | Ergo^: it 'might' work (the debian way) but ... |
| 16:00.21 | jetscreamer | usually it's best in etch or sid |
| 16:00.25 | nfsnobody | ah, that does it - cheers stew! |
| 16:00.38 | Ergo^ | jetscreamer: well one-liner always faild me in etch :] |
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| 16:01.32 | jetscreamer | Ergo^: not much 8xxx support in debian afaik anyway |
| 16:01.48 | jetscreamer | maybe sid version |
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| 16:02.13 | Ergo^ | well it works fine on ubuntu - and it should be lenny based as i understand ? |
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| 16:02.29 | jetscreamer | ubuntu is more like sid afaict |
| 16:02.46 | jetscreamer | that nvrun factoid will 'just work' in whatever, even ubuntu |
| 16:03.06 | jetscreamer | afaik ymmv (only pebkac has stopped it so far) |
| 16:03.07 | maligor | in some things, it's more like experimental |
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| 16:03.29 | Younix | wow |
| 16:03.35 | schultzconsult | Hi, anyone using pmacct? |
| 16:03.36 | Younix | seems like there's a lot of backing up |
| 16:03.41 | Younix | and crap to do..before you can upgrade |
| 16:03.49 | Younix | i don't have enough HDD space for that |
| 16:04.01 | jetscreamer | well you don't 'have' to backup, just what if |
| 16:04.06 | Younix | still |
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| 16:04.11 | Younix | you have download a bunch of packages |
| 16:04.13 | Younix | and do like 10010 thigns |
| 16:04.15 | Younix | things*.. |
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| 16:04.44 | Younix | im looking in the Upgrading from previous releases sectino |
| 16:04.47 | bdlu | How can I get Iceweasel to make the backspace key take it back a page? I've looked all around >Tools>Options and I've googled around and can't figure it out. I know the in Firefox that's how it's configured on my XP pc. |
| 16:04.49 | Younix | section*..there's so many things |
| 16:05.39 | stew | bdlu: try about:config |
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| 16:06.05 | lvh | can anyone recommend any image sorting tools? |
| 16:06.12 | lvh | basically I want something like flickr, but local. |
| 16:06.31 | lvh | I want to be able to tag images and search on those tags, for example :) |
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| 16:06.51 | lvh | I've got too much metadata to use a simple directory structure |
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| 16:08.13 | rrplay | bdlu: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.backspace_action |
| 16:08.18 | dutchfish | why does iceweasel not contain a CA root cert for cacert.org, or am i asking a stupid question? |
| 16:09.07 | bdlu | stew: wow!!, I guess I'm too much of a noob, but I had no idea that about:config existed. That is some trippy bunch of stuff that comes up. |
| 16:09.09 | bdlu | Can you point me in the right direction as to how I might configure it to "Backspace" go back a page? |
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| 16:09.34 | rrplay | bdlu : here it is http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.backspace_action |
| 16:09.42 | bdlu | thx rrplay |
| 16:09.49 | rrplay | ok |
| 16:09.58 | erik_ | I installed a sata dvd writer , took out the old IDE one. Now GnomeBaker and Nero do not see the writer. jetscreamer suggested I may have to edit fstab. how ? the fstab is at http://pastebin.com/d394a1baa |
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| 16:11.02 | jetscreamer | erik_: it's 'probably' /dev/s?cd0 now |
| 16:11.08 | jetscreamer | i forget what the ? is |
| 16:11.19 | jetscreamer | sdcd srcd somethienng |
| 16:11.51 | erik_ | ok i try |
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| 16:12.22 | jetscreamer | erik_: ls /dev/cd* or /dev/dv* maybe |
| 16:12.29 | jetscreamer | or ls -l |
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| 16:12.48 | jetscreamer | or grep dmesg |
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| 16:14.07 | nopwd | Hey, I am trying to get Compiz-Fusion to work on etch. I got it working, but had to download ccsm from download.tuxfamily.org. Everything works fine, except my ccsm settings don't save, I have to reset them each time I log on, anybody run into this problem before? |
| 16:14.58 | Younix | dudes |
| 16:15.18 | Younix | couldn't i just download the .iso and then mount it from my already installed debian |
| 16:15.20 | Younix | ? |
| 16:15.23 | Younix | with loopback |
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| 16:16.01 | stew | Younix: you can download an .iso and mount it, sure. |
| 16:16.03 | bolt | what can I use to find the mac address of a remote machine connected to the same switch as i am? |
| 16:16.14 | stew | Younix: but why? |
| 16:16.14 | Younix | stew, what's the catch |
| 16:16.21 | Younix | to install umm.. |
| 16:16.22 | Younix | etch? |
| 16:16.27 | Younix | the other way's just too much of a hassle |
| 16:16.30 | jetscreamer | Younix: yes you can even tell the installer to use it on an ntfs partition iirc |
| 16:16.36 | jetscreamer | it being a .iso |
| 16:16.41 | stew | Younix: you mean reinstall from scratch instead of upgrading? |
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| 16:16.50 | rrplay | nopwd : what video driver are you using? |
| 16:16.52 | Younix | stew, yes..i just installed this like..five minutes ago |
| 16:16.57 | Younix | well, more like an hour |
| 16:17.00 | Younix | there's nothing really on here |
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| 16:17.46 | stew | Younix: i don't know that it would be any easier than just foolowing the upgrade instructions |
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| 16:17.57 | Younix | well |
| 16:18.01 | Younix | i'm more familiar with the other way.. |
| 16:18.03 | Younix | so it'd be easier for me |
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| 16:18.21 | Younix | so is it possible |
| 16:18.25 | ekra | Hello everybody |
| 16:18.32 | Younix | would be just like booting a cd with it? |
| 16:18.38 | Younix | with it on the cd |
| 16:18.45 | stew | Younix: except you don't have a cd drive |
| 16:18.50 | Younix | i do have a cd drive.. |
| 16:18.52 | Younix | i just can't BURN a cd |
| 16:18.53 | stew | Younix: do you have a free partition? or unpartitioned space? |
| 16:18.57 | Younix | erm no |
| 16:19.04 | Younix | wait, a free parition, yes |
| 16:19.14 | Younix | i have three partitions |
| 16:19.19 | Xcerca | hey guys, i have gnome, xfce, and KDE 3.5, my kickoff menu is way too clutered.. is it safe to atp-get autoremove gnome-desktop then xfce then install KDE 4 then remove kde3 / |
| 16:19.22 | Younix | ntfs, reiser, swap |
| 16:19.39 | Xcerca | thats what i'de like to do |
| 16:19.41 | Younix | i'd need to have the .iso on the nfts partition, right? |
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| 16:19.52 | jetscreamer | Xcerca: except for the fact that it won't work, sure... those are mostly metapackages |
| 16:19.54 | maligor | Xcerca, I wouldn't use KDE 4 :P |
| 16:19.57 | maligor | it's still buggy as heck |
| 16:19.59 | stew | Younix: you would follow the hd install in /msg dpkg ig |
| 16:19.59 | wols_ | Younix: why an iso in the first place? |
| 16:20.05 | jetscreamer | Younix: any partition, ntfs was just an example |
| 16:20.13 | Younix | wols_, what then |
| 16:20.13 | stew | wols_: he doesn't feel like following sarge->etch |
| 16:20.16 | maligor | 4.0.2 is nearly usable, but not quite |
| 16:20.20 | Xcerca | jetscreamer what is it that won't work ? |
| 16:20.25 | apollo13 | hi, is there a way to uninstall (force) one package and install another as replacement (namely libdjvulibre15 vs libdjvulibre21)? |
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| 16:20.46 | wols_ | !tell apollo13 about equivs |
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| 16:20.51 | jetscreamer | Xcerca: because those are mostly metapackages and all you will uninstall is the metapackage |
| 16:20.55 | jetscreamer | !metapackage |
| 16:20.55 | dpkg | well, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers |
| 16:20.59 | Xcerca | maligor i thought kde 4 had a finale release... thats what wikipedia said atleast.. |
| 16:21.00 | Ergo^ | jetscreamer: im about to ruh the commands you showed me, since lenny will update the kernel for me - it it safe for me to rerun the commands after that ? |
| 16:21.10 | maligor | Xcerca, a finale release? |
| 16:21.17 | wols_ | Ax-Ax: the kde devs also said it's not suitable for end users yet |
| 16:21.29 | Xcerca | maligor and not beta release |
| 16:21.29 | jetscreamer | Ergo^: the nvidia? yes, and you have to redo it every kernel or xorg update |
| 16:21.36 | jetscreamer | just like windows98 |
| 16:21.38 | abrotman | apollo13: i think the aptitude man page mentions a +/- to be used with packages |
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| 16:21.46 | maligor | Xcerca, well... theoretically |
| 16:21.50 | maligor | Xcerca, or "in name" |
| 16:21.54 | apollo13 | abrotman: thx, I remember |
| 16:22.29 | stew | Younix: you will need to create yet another patition, you'd put the install on one partition (which cannot be ntfs) and the ninstall from that partition onto another linux partition |
| 16:22.45 | stew | Younix: i'd btw warn you against using reiserfs, it is notiriously good ad losing data |
| 16:22.45 | Younix | stew, why can't it be nfts? |
| 16:22.48 | Younix | that's just ridiculous |
| 16:22.50 | apollo13 | wols_: thx for your tip about equivs, this is good to know, now I can hapilly easy_install my python packages :=) |
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| 16:23.04 | maligor | Xcerca, I have the 4.0.2 installed from experimental/sid and it's still buggy, on a pretty normal use scenario level |
| 16:23.04 | stew | Younix: i don't know why |
| 16:23.06 | Younix | ... |
| 16:23.12 | jetscreamer | stew: the installer has an ntfs module you can tell it to use, i 'ass-u-me' you can use it like that but have no idea |
| 16:23.15 | Younix | this is frustrating |
| 16:23.23 | stew | jetscreamer: "The installer cannot boot from files on an NTFS file system." |
| 16:23.24 | jetscreamer | Younix: do you have windows? |
| 16:23.27 | Younix | yes man |
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| 16:23.31 | Xcerca | maligor o alright |
| 16:23.31 | stew | jetscreamer: (from the ig) |
| 16:23.33 | Younix | debian and windows..same hdd |
| 16:23.33 | jetscreamer | stew: you boot from the cd |
| 16:23.37 | Younix | dual booting |
| 16:23.40 | jetscreamer | and use the .iso on the hd |
| 16:23.44 | stew | jetscreamer: he doesn't have a cd |
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| 16:23.49 | jetscreamer | Younix: http://goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 16:23.55 | Younix | what's that |
| 16:23.58 | stew | jetscreamer: he can't burn a cd, so he has to do a hd install |
| 16:23.59 | Younix | if it's useless |
| 16:24.00 | jetscreamer | Younix: works great |
| 16:24.00 | Younix | i'll kill you |
| 16:24.09 | stew | wtf |
| 16:24.12 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 16:24.12 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
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| 16:24.20 | Danker | Hi |
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| 16:24.55 | Younix | oh |
| 16:24.57 | Xcerca | i'll just try to get all of these cleaned up then , after installing KDE from xfce there are about 7 media players, 3 terminal/konsoles/ 3 file browsers like 5 image vewiers... bla bla |
| 16:25.04 | Younix | jetscreamer, that lets you install linux while running windows? |
| 16:25.32 | jetscreamer | you want something more like apt-get remove --purge kde* libgnome or so |
| 16:25.35 | jetscreamer | yes Younix |
| 16:25.36 | Danker | Is there solution to manage all user accounts on all computers centrally? (something like active directory, but i don't need eDirectory - i need to manage only users) |
| 16:25.49 | Xcerca | i thoght i could just autoremove gnome-desktop and it would clear out all of those packages.. then do the same with xfce |
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| 16:26.04 | maligor | Xcerca, in unstable, yes |
| 16:26.10 | jetscreamer | gnome-desktop is about 100kb probably and that's all it will remove |
| 16:26.13 | maligor | it's a bit annoying too in some ways |
| 16:26.31 | stew | Danker: yeah, there are things like libnss-ldap, libnss-mysql, libnss-pgsql, nis... |
| 16:26.38 | maligor | like if there's a broken dependency (rhythmbox atm), so I removed gnome to update some other stuff, now it wants to autoremove gnome |
| 16:26.49 | Younix | alrighty |
| 16:26.49 | Younix | bbs |
| 16:26.50 | dutchfish | Younix, you better of making a backup if you "other crappy os" contains imported data then making threats ;) |
| 16:27.10 | jetscreamer | dutchfish: he was only kidding (i hope) |
| 16:27.19 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 16:27.39 | jetscreamer | of course, i haven't killed anybody in self-defence lately, so... |
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| 16:27.54 | maligor | I expect there'll be a huge 100kV spike in your mains in a few minutes |
| 16:28.10 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, i hope so too ;) |
| 16:28.14 | apollo13 | abrotman: I used dpkg --force-all -remove now, and then installed the new package, worked great :) |
| 16:28.14 | jetscreamer | checks grounding |
| 16:28.32 | jetscreamer | !grounding |
| 16:28.32 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 16:28.33 | abrotman | uh . i didnt say that |
| 16:28.38 | jetscreamer | ok i never read that, i'm ok |
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| 16:36.36 | erik_ | jetscreamer: could you tell what the change to fstab would have to be from theis DMESG: http://pastebin.com/m23c36fed ? |
| 16:36.57 | erik_ | I'm at a loss... |
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| 16:37.55 | Ergo^ | ok, here it goes, maybe ill succeed in installing gfx drivers now :D |
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| 16:38.12 | jetscreamer | erik_: i see you have a cd or dvd in it at least |
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| 16:38.42 | jetscreamer | erik_: does ls -l /dev/sdcd* return anything ? |
| 16:38.48 | erik_ | jetsdcreamer: yes, a dvd reader on IDE... and a writer on sata |
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| 16:39.22 | erik_ | nope |
| 16:39.46 | jetscreamer | erik_: does ls -l /dev/scsi0 return anything ? |
| 16:40.02 | jetscreamer | ^different |
| 16:40.12 | erik_ | nope |
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| 16:40.30 | keith80403 | Is there a setting to reduce the wait time for a failed password on the gnome screensaver password dialog? |
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| 16:41.12 | Absolute0 | does <pkg-name>{a} mean that it in its alpha stage? |
| 16:41.18 | abrotman | no |
| 16:41.26 | erik_ | jetscreamer: I see scd0 |
| 16:41.34 | stew | Absolute0: that it is automatically installed (and can be automatically removed when it is no longer needed) |
| 16:41.49 | Absolute0 | stew: define automatically. |
| 16:42.03 | jetscreamer | erik_: yeah ok i was going to say that next... err i mean to say that first.. yeah that's it |
| 16:42.15 | wd | i screwed up..i did "ifconfig eth0 (inet addr) (netmask) so now i have set ip address but i installed dhcp how can i take this set ip out because i'm getting "ip bound to (the set ip i made) when it should be random. |
| 16:42.16 | jetscreamer | erik_: i 'believe' it is going to be that |
| 16:42.36 | stew | Absolute0: something that you didn't specifically request, but was installed for you in order to satisfy a dependency of something you did specifically request |
| 16:42.49 | jetscreamer | erik_: cat /proc/ide/something_I_forget exactlyandcan'tlookatm |
| 16:42.56 | Absolute0 | stew: ok thanks. Is that a lenny standard? |
| 16:43.01 | Absolute0 | I never saw that in etch. |
| 16:43.10 | stew | Absolute0: it came with apt version 0.7.0 |
| 16:43.16 | Absolute0 | I see. |
| 16:43.21 | stew | Absolute0: (which etch didn't have) |
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| 16:44.13 | jetscreamer | erik_: but it is probably scd0, was on mine iirc |
| 16:44.18 | jetscreamer | removed it |
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| 16:44.41 | erik_ | jetscreamer: so I change the line '/dev/hdd /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0" to '/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 ' ? |
| 16:45.06 | Absolute0 | Is xserver-xorg-video-ati fglrx? |
| 16:45.25 | Absolute0 | Doesn't sound like it. And that's all i get with apt-cache search fglrx |
| 16:45.31 | Absolute0 | I have contrib and nonfree enabled |
| 16:45.35 | J0N47H45 | hi guys.. is it safe to use lenny at the moment, or it's too buggy? |
| 16:45.36 | jetscreamer | yeah change hdd to scd0 ... or hdc, depending on which one you took out |
| 16:45.42 | jetscreamer | lenny is great afaik |
| 16:45.46 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 16:45.49 | jetscreamer | !testing |
| 16:45.49 | dpkg | i heard testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages |
| 16:46.28 | abrotman | J0N47H45: only you can determine that |
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| 16:47.10 | jetscreamer | erik_: you can test it before you edit fstab |
| 16:47.32 | jetscreamer | erik_: just try mounting it.. catting /proc/something would also tell you |
| 16:47.46 | jetscreamer | mounting manually i mean |
| 16:48.45 | jetscreamer | goes off to clean the other house |
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| 16:49.00 | jetscreamer | and finish moving all their trash out |
| 16:49.22 | Absolute0 | How do I check which version apt-cache search finds ? |
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| 16:49.46 | abrotman | Absolute0: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 16:49.49 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show <packagenameyoufoundwithsearch> |
| 16:49.56 | wols_ | Absolute0: apt-cache policy <packafw> |
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| 16:50.06 | Absolute0 | thanks |
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| 16:50.22 | Ergo^ | jetscreamer: thank you i sucessfully installed the drivers |
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| 16:50.42 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 16:50.51 | Ergo^ | compiled with other gcc than it should be and with some scary messages - but it works fine ,j uste tested quake wars :D im shocked :D |
| 16:51.13 | Ergo^ | i have no ide what i have done actually :D |
| 16:51.34 | Absolute0 | Why the hell does maven2 install x11??? |
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| 16:51.51 | Absolute0 | and some xorg app doesn not. :) |
| 16:52.12 | jetscreamer | some want x11-common |
| 16:52.19 | jetscreamer | not fullon xorg though |
| 16:52.27 | stew | Absolute0: becuase maven depends on java, which contains lots of X related stuff |
| 16:52.34 | jetscreamer | Ergo^: the gcc mismatch thing eh |
| 16:52.43 | Absolute0 | stew: oh right, forgot about that. :) |
| 16:52.45 | Ergo^ | yes |
| 16:52.51 | Absolute0 | Swing/awt |
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| 16:53.02 | wd | how can i delete the ip address i set using ifconfig? i installed dhcp after the fact. |
| 16:53.21 | Absolute0 | stew: Is it better to install something with aptitude as opposed to doing it manually? |
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| 16:53.28 | jetscreamer | Ergo^: usually it's safe to just say no(continue) i have yet to have it mess anything up... all i know, some ppl feel that it can break stuff.. if you compile your own kernel that msg doesn't appear (go figure) |
| 16:53.39 | Absolute0 | like maven2 has an archived binary that you just untar to /usr/local |
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| 16:53.51 | Absolute0 | Can I benefit in any way by using aptitude? |
| 16:54.04 | jetscreamer | they say it's better |
| 16:54.05 | Daveman | \o/ |
| 16:54.12 | Absolute0 | I guess all the paths are taken care of by themselves. :) |
| 16:54.13 | jetscreamer | i prefer dselect but i'm weird |
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| 16:54.29 | ricosecada | I am sitting with three different Debian boxes, one has /sbin/ip the others don't. Where from is /sbin/ip? |
| 16:54.32 | Absolute0 | without any "human-intevention" |
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| 16:55.51 | erik_ | jetscreamer: works now. great help . thnx |
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| 16:56.40 | jetscreamer | np |
| 16:56.57 | jetscreamer | ricosecada: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=sbin%2Fip&mode=path&suite=unstable&arch=any |
| 16:57.02 | jetscreamer | iproute |
| 16:57.10 | Absolute0 | maven requires cpp as well :) |
| 16:57.21 | Absolute0 | F**in dependencies. |
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| 16:57.51 | ricosecada | jetscreamer, thanks! |
| 16:57.58 | stew | Absolute0: becuase you are pulling in gcj instead of sun java? |
| 16:58.04 | jetscreamer | !tell ricosecada -about search |
| 16:58.11 | hans_5353 | hi |
| 16:58.18 | jetscreamer | rich secada.. what's a secada |
| 16:58.41 | jetscreamer | or is it ecada |
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| 16:58.54 | Absolute0 | stew ugh |
| 16:58.55 | inazad | I got this error when building linux-2.6.22.5 api headers for LFS |
| 16:59.01 | inazad | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.01 | inazad | <inazad> """""" |
| 16:59.03 | hans_5353 | is it possible to do not accept pre configured ip adresses from clients with dhcpd ? |
| 16:59.05 | jetscreamer | lfs? |
| 16:59.16 | inazad | jetscreamer, Linux from scratch |
| 16:59.24 | pngwn | heh |
| 16:59.28 | jetscreamer | yeah i thought that's what you meant |
| 16:59.34 | jetscreamer | this isn't #lfs |
| 16:59.46 | inazad | i know.,.. but they don't give to me support... |
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| 16:59.50 | jetscreamer | i believe you |
| 16:59.59 | stew | inazad: we only support debian here |
| 17:00.05 | Absolute0 | is it nonfree or non-free? |
| 17:00.11 | stew | Absolute0: non-free |
| 17:00.15 | jetscreamer | inazad: maybe #kernel |
| 17:00.19 | jetscreamer | non-free |
| 17:00.25 | Absolute0 | how come nonfree gives no errors? :) |
| 17:00.26 | inazad | stew, yeah... i know I'm just searching a issue to my problem.. |
| 17:00.27 | ricosecada | jetscreamer, secada is a surname |
| 17:00.38 | jetscreamer | ah thanks ricosecada |
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| 17:02.48 | ricosecada | jetscreamer, searching for an app, when it belongs to a package that is already installed is easy, doing it when the package isn't installed - I couldn't find it :-) |
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| 17:03.09 | jetscreamer | ricosecada: it was easy from pdo |
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| 17:03.15 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 17:03.15 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 17:03.33 | ricosecada | jetscreamer, I didn't know you could do that :-) thanks! |
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| 17:05.28 | yukonho | I can't seem to find a good description anywhere - what's contained in the debian-40r3-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso image? Is it the netinstall image with xfce? |
| 17:05.44 | jetscreamer | np again |
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| 17:06.08 | jetscreamer | tries to remember the whats on the cd factoid |
| 17:06.14 | jetscreamer | !whats on the cd |
| 17:06.16 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 17:06.33 | jetscreamer | the jigdo list thing |
| 17:06.50 | jetscreamer | !listkeys jigdoo |
| 17:06.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'jigdoo' by key returned no results. |
| 17:07.01 | jetscreamer | that wouldn't do it anyway |
| 17:07.22 | stew | !which cd |
| 17:07.23 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 17:07.30 | jetscreamer | ahh thankee |
| 17:07.31 | kokotX | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-24 says apt-get, where can i find it ? |
| 17:07.55 | jetscreamer | try pdo |
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| 17:08.07 | jetscreamer | my guess is you won't find it but i could be wrong |
| 17:08.17 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm trying to copy the content of one USB Flash device to another (it contains a working Debian installation) - both identical devices (Kingston 4 GB DataTravelers). Unfortunaltely they are not exactly identical - the size differs. The source USB devices is a little bigger than the destination so 'dd' fails. Any suggestions on how to transfer the installation from the source USB device to the new device ? |
| 17:08.19 | jetscreamer | 60% of the time i won't be wrong |
| 17:08.26 | yukonho | Yeah, I had tried that earlier and it wasn't there |
| 17:08.35 | yukonho | thanks though! |
| 17:08.42 | jetscreamer | cp -a but not when booted into either, jemt |
| 17:08.44 | kokotX | not in testing nor unstable |
| 17:08.55 | jetscreamer | !tell kokotX -about nvrun |
| 17:09.06 | jetscreamer | you could try that, ymmv and all that |
| 17:09.12 | Jemt | jetscreamer: That won't copy the partition table - I need an exact copy of the content |
| 17:09.14 | Absolute0 | Whats the keyword for compiling the kernel? |
| 17:09.18 | Absolute0 | for dpkg. |
| 17:09.22 | kokotX | hate nv installer |
| 17:09.23 | Jemt | jetscreamer: And it must be bootable as the source |
| 17:09.25 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 17:09.25 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra> |
| 17:09.40 | Absolute0 | thanks |
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| 17:09.58 | Absolute0 | why does dpkg always say apt-get when aptitude is preferred? :) |
| 17:10.04 | jetscreamer | Jemt: dd the mbr, dd /dev/sda1, sda2,sda3... ? |
| 17:10.24 | jetscreamer | because aptitude hasn't always been around, and youhaven't fixed the db yet |
| 17:10.34 | jetscreamer | feel free |
| 17:10.36 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 17:10.39 | Absolute0 | db? |
| 17:10.46 | jetscreamer | dpkg's database |
| 17:10.53 | Absolute0 | jetscreamer: which version is kernel-package? |
| 17:11.05 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 17:11.06 | Jemt | jetscreamer: Wouldn't that require the partitions to be 100% identical in size too ? |
| 17:11.08 | Absolute0 | i need the 2.6.23 |
| 17:11.19 | Absolute0 | sid and backports comes with 2.6.22 |
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| 17:11.26 | Jemt | jetscreamer: And how do I |
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| 17:11.29 | Jemt | jetscreamer: And how do I 'dd' just the MBR ? |
| 17:11.36 | Absolute0 | i am assuming thats what kernel-package will be |
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| 17:12.00 | jetscreamer | Jemt: either create the partitions yourself and cp -a the files and dd the mbr or dd them individually till you run out of room |
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| 17:12.48 | Jemt | jetscreamer: Okay, that sounds like the proper solution. But the MBR isn't like a partitions, is it ? If i 'dd' ie /dev/sda the entire disk will be 'dd'ed |
| 17:12.59 | jetscreamer | i don't remember the exact command off the top of my head to get the mbr but it's something like dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=blah count=blahblah |
| 17:13.13 | jetscreamer | it's all over google though |
| 17:13.25 | jetscreamer | !mbr |
| 17:13.26 | dpkg | [mbr] the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda", or ask me about <fixmbr> |
| 17:13.38 | jetscreamer | !dd mbr |
| 17:13.40 | stew | Jemt: the mbr contains (at least part of) the partition table |
| 17:13.43 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 17:13.45 | wols_ | count is 1, bs=512 |
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| 17:13.56 | KU0N | hello |
| 17:14.13 | Jemt | Ah, okay. Thanks |
| 17:14.13 | jetscreamer | i guess that's all you need for it wols_ ? |
| 17:14.50 | Jemt | stew: So copying the MBR using 'dd' followed by a simple 'cp' to the different partitions should provide me with an identical copy then ? |
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| 17:15.33 | jetscreamer | i think i've seen count=440 or something somewhere also |
| 17:15.38 | jetscreamer | but beyond me |
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| 17:15.42 | jetscreamer | i just dd stuff |
| 17:15.54 | Jemt | jetscreamer: Okay. I'll check Google to make sure :) |
| 17:16.02 | inFw | Hello. I have an old sarge system. It's not fully updated. I'd like to upgrade it to etch and have it fully updated. I'm thinking the best way is to use sarge repos and do a full update and then change to etch repos and update again. Am I going to destroy anything in the process, should I do this other way? |
| 17:16.12 | jetscreamer | wols_ would know or he wouldn't open his mouth imo |
| 17:16.17 | jetscreamer | but do check |
| 17:16.25 | jetscreamer | fingers, whatever |
| 17:16.51 | jetscreamer | !sarge->etch |
| 17:16.51 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support for sarge ends on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
| 17:17.25 | inFw | thank you jetscreamer |
| 17:17.30 | stew | Jemt: yes, but if your source drive is larger than target and you copy the entire mbr, then the target's partition tables might be pointing to beyond the end of the disk |
| 17:17.30 | jetscreamer | np |
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| 17:17.58 | pipeline | Jemt, jetscreamer : ehhh wouldn't it be safer to use tar than cp ? |
| 17:18.01 | jetscreamer | i think that's why i saw that count=440 maybe.. dont recall though |
| 17:18.11 | Jemt | stew: Yes, of cause :-/ |
| 17:18.26 | Jemt | pipeline: In order to maintain permissions you mean ? |
| 17:18.30 | jetscreamer | i use cp -a from a live cd and clone my linux installs all the time.. it's just for me though |
| 17:18.33 | pipeline | stew, jetscreamer, Jemt : Just copy the first megabyte to get the MBR itself, then set up the partitions with fdisk or cfdisk. |
| 17:18.46 | pipeline | Jemt: In order to handle special files and hardlinks. |
| 17:18.53 | pipeline | Jemt: Tar is much smarter than cp. |
| 17:18.54 | Jemt | Okay |
| 17:19.05 | Jemt | pipeline: Tar is just an archiver, no ? |
| 17:19.17 | pipeline | Jemt: Copying would be something like "tar --one-filesystem --cpf - / | (cd /target; tar -xvpf -)" |
| 17:19.17 | Jemt | pipeline: .. while 'cp' copies stuff "as is" |
| 17:19.19 | jetscreamer | pipeline: cp does mess it up if i'm booted into the system i'm trying to clone |
| 17:19.32 | jetscreamer | on /proc and /dev iirc |
| 17:19.52 | jetscreamer | goes on in a loop iirc |
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| 17:20.09 | pipeline | gnu cp is smarter than UNIX cp, but it's still not smart :X |
| 17:20.31 | pipeline | Jemt: what you're doing there is outputing your archive as a byte stream, then taking a byte stream as input and extracting it to the target. |
| 17:21.01 | Jemt | Okay, I se |
| 17:21.02 | Jemt | see |
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| 17:24.33 | pipeline | Jemt: also, for your sanity, only use -v on one side of the pipe. If you use it on both everything gets printed twice :) |
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| 17:24.58 | Jemt | pipeline: Ah, okay - good tip - thanks :) |
| 17:25.00 | pipeline | Jemt: --one-filesystem stops tar from crossing a filesystem boundary... so copying / will just get you /, not /dev or /mnt or whatever. |
| 17:25.15 | jetscreamer | ooo |
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| 17:25.20 | AwesomeGuy | !dem |
| 17:25.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dem is god or a linux advocate from Argentina |
| 17:25.25 | AwesomeGuy | !modem |
| 17:25.25 | dpkg | [modem] (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. <REPLY> suck |
| 17:25.38 | Jemt | pipeline: Yep, got that :) |
| 17:25.42 | jetscreamer | !factinfo dem |
| 17:25.42 | dpkg | dem -- created by dem <dem@h066060049100.isol.net.ar> at Thu Mar 1 04:04:27 2001 (2578 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by AwesomeGuy, 22s ago. |
| 17:25.51 | jetscreamer | !forget dem |
| 17:25.51 | dpkg | i forgot dem, jetscreamer |
| 17:25.52 | AwesomeGuy | that was a typo of dem |
| 17:25.56 | AwesomeGuy | modem |
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| 17:26.01 | AwesomeGuy | typo of modem |
| 17:26.07 | AwesomeGuy | this keyboard is weird |
| 17:26.10 | jetscreamer | yeah i got that |
| 17:26.12 | AwesomeGuy | !dialup |
| 17:26.12 | dpkg | [dialup] the worst type of internet connection available, or <dialup install> |
| 17:26.31 | AwesomeGuy | for some reason dpkg wont work in pm |
| 17:26.38 | jetscreamer | are you identified? |
| 17:26.43 | AwesomeGuy | ya |
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| 17:26.54 | AwesomeGuy | heh its working now |
| 17:27.00 | AwesomeGuy | do i have to be on the channel? |
| 17:27.13 | jetscreamer | he doesn't answer if there is no such thing |
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| 17:27.39 | KU0N | I try to get xorg working on debian, on an LX800 AMD geode cpu |
| 17:27.39 | KU0N | I did install the AMD driver, and xorg starts without error, but the screen is black |
| 17:27.40 | jetscreamer | and iirc you have to be identifed to freenode |
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| 17:28.29 | jetscreamer | lsmod |grep -i geode maybe.. iirc there's a kernel module that may or may not be loaded |
| 17:28.51 | jetscreamer | i'm tired of typing iirc |
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| 17:31.24 | KU0N | and side question, how can I remove all the man pages and info doc from a debian install? |
| 17:31.32 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 17:33.40 | netdaemon | why would you want to? |
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| 17:33.50 | KU0N | because I have only 500mb HD |
| 17:33.55 | KU0N | it's an embedded system |
| 17:34.01 | KU0N | and i have 10 mb left |
| 17:34.13 | netdaemon | ahhh |
| 17:34.33 | Jemt | Is it possible to install GRUB onto a USB device from a running Debian installations ? |
| 17:34.56 | Kevin` | Jemt mount, grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/usb /dev/sdz |
| 17:35.09 | Jemt | Kevin`: Nice! Thank you |
| 17:35.10 | Kevin` | Jemt you will probably have to edit /mnt/usb/boot/grub/device.map and run it again |
| 17:35.23 | Jemt | Kevin`: Okay :) |
| 17:35.32 | Kevin` | (sdz should be hd0) |
| 17:35.46 | Jemt | Kevin`: I mount drivers by UUID |
| 17:35.58 | Jemt | Kevin`: /dev/disk/by-uuid/ :) |
| 17:36.19 | Kevin` | Jemt ick. well, either type really carefully or mount by the device name to save yourself typing :) |
| 17:36.49 | Jemt | Kevin`: I wrote a JAVA program that inserts the correct UUID for me ;) |
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| 17:36.55 | Jemt | Java* |
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| 17:44.54 | vvd | Kevin`: you dont have to rerun grub-install when you edit device.map |
| 17:45.14 | Como|lappy | having never installed debian before, should i expect any trouble trying to install it to a raid array? |
| 17:45.25 | Kevin` | vvd the grub stages will be placed with incorrect references the first time no? |
| 17:45.50 | vvd | Kevin`: yes, but then you just edit the device.map and are done |
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| 17:48.57 | octox2 | if i have nfs running on another box, and a folder shared, should i be able to see it in konqueror under remote places ? |
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| 17:51.35 | Absolute0 | Once I copy /boot/config-2.6.22-3-686 into /usr/src/linux/.config is there any reason to open make menuconfig if i dont need to change anything? |
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| 17:52.28 | CAiRO | does someone have an idea how i could test if a certain web server is up from command line? i thought i could use wget, but the return value is always 0, no matter if the operation is successful or not |
| 17:52.47 | Absolute0 | CAiRO: links |
| 17:53.04 | Absolute0 | links http://localhost |
| 17:53.11 | Absolute0 | or some variation of that. |
| 17:53.52 | leafwiz | Hi, I just had a system crash on my debian server. A lot of inodes got corrupted, so fsck wasn't able to repair them. I don't get how this could happen. The disk seems fine. But there has been some powerlosses. I'm looking for a good error memory and hd detection program to verify the hardware. What's the best to use? |
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| 17:55.09 | CAiRO | Absolute0: hmm, for links its the same.. the return value is always 0 |
| 17:55.25 | Absolute0 | Why do you care about the return value? |
| 17:55.35 | CAiRO | to check if the operation was successful |
| 17:55.39 | CAiRO | how else would i know it? |
| 17:56.11 | stew | CAiRO: HEAD http://whatever.com ? |
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| 17:57.12 | Absolute0 | CAiRO: what operation? |
| 17:57.42 | CAiRO | Absolute0: the fetching of a web page... |
| 17:58.20 | Absolute0 | CAiRO: well if you see something in links then it is.. |
| 17:58.47 | CAiRO | Absolute0: no, it could be an error message like "ELinks: No route to host" |
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| 17:59.10 | dutchfish | CAiRO, did you check on curl? |
| 17:59.13 | CAiRO | Absolute0: i want to use the result of the test for further processing.. sure, if i look on the result manually, i'd notice the difference |
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| 18:00.12 | muramasa | Quick question; is /dev generated automatically or not? Seem to be people saying both yes and no to this, so should I or should I not backup it? |
| 18:00.28 | darkstego | how do I tell linux to re-read the libraries |
| 18:00.41 | darkstego | as in relink |
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| 18:01.02 | jelly-home | darkstego: ldconfig |
| 18:01.12 | dutchfish | CAiRO, http://curl.haxx.se/ |
| 18:01.37 | darkstego | muramasa: it is generated automatically if you have udev |
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| 18:02.02 | CAiRO | dutchfish: thanks, i'll check it |
| 18:02.07 | jelly-home | darkstego: that won't relink anything, but will update the list of libraries available to binaries |
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| 18:03.13 | darkstego | ok, in a situation where I have compiled new versions of a library that is already installed, can I just drop the new .so files in place of the old? |
| 18:03.24 | muramasa | darkstego: I'm assuming I have udev since /etc/udev exists :-) |
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| 18:04.08 | darkstego | muramasa: do you use debian? just check if the package is installed |
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| 18:05.06 | muramasa | darkstego: right, forgot that heh. it was :-) thanks |
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| 18:05.42 | darkstego | if I remember correctly udev works with dbus and hal to keep /dev up to date |
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| 18:09.44 | octox2 | what can i do if ./configure is complaining that the newly created files are older than the distributed files? |
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| 18:11.50 | sgmadison | yayyy for the arrival of my new boxen, drooling for their awaiting debian installations |
| 18:12.36 | Como|lappy | who wants to tell me why the debian cd doesnt have fdisk :-\ |
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| 18:14.17 | jelly-home | Como|lappy: which image? |
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| 18:14.46 | Como|lappy | debian-40r3-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 18:15.24 | jelly-home | is pretty sure there is a fdisk or cfdisk somewhere in there, maybe in an installable udeb |
| 18:15.34 | maligor | parted maybe? |
| 18:15.35 | Como|lappy | oh, its just not in the path |
| 18:15.54 | Shadow_mil | I just installed debian from the DVD. But it does not have xchat or amarok on the DVDs, is there a source I can give apt that will allow me to install them. Or do I need to install them manually? |
| 18:16.46 | maligor | Shadow_mil, does it have network connection? |
| 18:17.04 | Shadow_mil | maligor: Yes, I am on it now |
| 18:17.13 | Como|lappy | heres my deal. I've got this box with three identical disks plugged into three of the four onboard sata connectors on the mainboard |
| 18:17.14 | Shadow_mil | maligor: the wireless does not work though |
| 18:17.25 | Como|lappy | only two of the disks ever seem to detect with any livedisk i use, though |
| 18:18.25 | maligor | Shadow_mil, you should have, in /etc/apt/sources.list something like deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
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| 18:18.35 | maligor | the <cc> being your countrycode for a local mirror |
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| 18:18.50 | Shadow_mil | maligor: only online source apt has is http://security.debian.org |
| 18:18.53 | maligor | then you can use aptitude, apt-get or synaptic or whatever |
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| 18:19.14 | maligor | Shadow_mil, oh, sorry, don't use that line |
| 18:19.20 | maligor | you don't want sid :P |
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| 18:19.32 | maligor | replace sid with the release you're using |
| 18:20.06 | Shadow_mil | maligor: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 18:20.17 | forgetsco | whats the command to make a program fall back soley on a c enviroment? all_local=C? |
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| 18:20.39 | Shadow_mil | maligor: thats the only online source in sources.list |
| 18:20.40 | westyvw | is there a irc for sid users? |
| 18:20.49 | maligor | Shadow_mil, add a new one then |
| 18:21.03 | maligor | Shadow_mil, just replace the 'sid' in the line with 'etch' |
| 18:21.18 | Shadow_mil | maligor: what do I replace <cc> with? |
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| 18:21.26 | maligor | depends where you live |
| 18:21.34 | maligor | it uses the two letter country codes |
| 18:21.37 | Shadow_mil | maligor: us? |
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| 18:21.44 | maligor | then use us |
| 18:22.36 | Shadow_mil | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch/main non-free contrib |
| 18:22.43 | Shadow_mil | that work? |
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| 18:23.16 | westyvw | debian sid, /var/log/cups/error_log Unsupported character set "iso-8859-1" Job stopped due to filter errors. |
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| 18:23.43 | FordCortina | how do you tell what version of xorg you have? I'm looking for the version number starting with a 7.. |
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| 18:23.49 | maligor | Shadow_mil, err.. no |
| 18:23.59 | maligor | Shadow_mil, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
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| 18:24.33 | Shadow_mil | maligor: then apt-get update? |
| 18:24.37 | maligor | yep |
| 18:24.42 | maligor | or aptitude |
| 18:24.52 | maligor | there seems to be lots of preference for aptitude these days :P |
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| 18:25.22 | JoeShmo | does anyone happen to know if amd64 + java + (firefox or opera) work in testing? seems to be broke in ubuntu, so wondering if I should stick with debian. |
| 18:25.42 | Shadow_mil | maligor: I am use to apt-get from ubuntu |
| 18:26.12 | zinx | JoeShmo: real java, or javascript? |
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| 18:26.41 | JoeShmo | real java.. as in sun-java6-runtime |
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| 18:26.54 | kevind23 | java doesn't work with amd64 browsers period, JoeShmo |
| 18:26.57 | zinx | JoeShmo: i don't know if there's a plugin compiled for amd64 |
| 18:26.57 | maligor | JoeShmo, there's no stable amd64 java plugin for mozilla |
| 18:27.10 | JoeShmo | still?! jeez. |
| 18:27.17 | maligor | kevind23, the period seems a bit final, what with java 7 :P |
| 18:27.29 | maligor | it should be 'yet' |
| 18:27.37 | kevind23 | well I most certainly hope it isn't final :P |
| 18:27.41 | kevind23 | I use amd64 ^^ |
| 18:27.49 | octox2 | if i have nfs-kernel-server running and i shared a folder through nfs in konqueror, where should i see it, under remote places somewhere ? |
| 18:27.56 | zinx | JoeShmo: java itself will work, though :P |
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| 18:28.23 | JoeShmo | I had this problem 3 years ago, and was forced to use the 32 bit stuff... figured by now it would be ok... since sun-java6-jre is indeed amd64 |
| 18:28.39 | kevind23 | this should be quick, I have a 6 button mouse (the 6th is a side back button).. I had all 6 working with evdev on ubuntu but since I switched to debian I can't get them all to work; the 6th button is recognized but it's treated as a left-click |
| 18:28.43 | maligor | JoeShmo, Java 7 is the salvation |
| 18:28.57 | JoeShmo | where is java7? in beta or alpha? |
| 18:29.03 | maligor | kevind23, xmodmap is your friend |
| 18:29.04 | JoeShmo | or neither? |
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| 18:29.29 | westyvw | one day i will print again....one day. |
| 18:29.43 | kevind23 | maligor: how do I use it? |
| 18:30.05 | maligor | pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 6 |
| 18:30.15 | maligor | or 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 |
| 18:30.42 | maligor | like if you want to switch 1 and 3 (Left and Right I think), you put 3 2 1 |
| 18:30.51 | maligor | 4 5 is typically mapped to mouse wheel |
| 18:31.09 | kevind23 | I just need 6 as back button |
| 18:31.26 | maligor | actually.. I just realized what crap I'm talking |
| 18:31.41 | kevind23 | kevin@debian:~$ xmodmap -pp |
| 18:31.41 | kevind23 | There are 9 pointer buttons defined. |
| 18:31.50 | kevind23 | and they all match up |
| 18:31.51 | maligor | it's a driver level issue if it sends left click |
| 18:32.00 | kevind23 | well it worked on ubuntu *shrug* |
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| 18:32.18 | maligor | since I tried at one point to send same signals on multiple buttons and it sure didn't want to do that |
| 18:32.48 | maligor | do you have evdev configured? |
| 18:32.50 | kevind23 | Section "InputDevice" |
| 18:32.50 | kevind23 | Identifier"Configured Mouse" |
| 18:32.50 | kevind23 | Driver"evdev" |
| 18:32.50 | kevind23 | Option"Name""Logitech USB Reciever" |
| 18:32.50 | kevind23 | Option"Buttons""6" |
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| 18:32.53 | forgetsco | anyone in here try firefox 4 yet? |
| 18:33.01 | kevind23 | whoops |
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| 18:33.16 | cahoot | ff4? |
| 18:33.21 | forgetsco | yeah |
| 18:33.23 | zinx | forgetsco: nah, i haven't tried travelling to 2010 yet |
| 18:33.27 | maligor | kevind23, try with Buttons 9? :P |
| 18:33.27 | abrotman | forgetsco: you mean 3 .. and it's not in debian .. ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 18:33.29 | Shadow_mil | forgetsco: you mean firefox 3 |
| 18:33.33 | kevind23 | forgetsco: ff4 doesn't exist |
| 18:33.46 | forgetsco | negative, ff4 is up on the mozilla ftp server |
| 18:33.47 | maligor | kevind23, afaik it treats mouse wheel scrolling as buttons |
| 18:33.47 | kevind23 | http://pastebin.ca/952993, maligor in case you didn't get it ^^' |
| 18:33.53 | forgetsco | and i know 3 hasn't made it past beta yet |
| 18:33.57 | kevind23 | it does maligor |
| 18:34.00 | forgetsco | anyone want a link to it? |
| 18:34.10 | forgetsco | see for yourselfs? |
| 18:34.14 | kevind23 | yeah please |
| 18:34.15 | abrotman | forgetsco: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 18:34.38 | shingouz | i'm having some problems with a custom kernel, it seems to mount the rootfs but after that barfs about not being able to open initial console and hangs. the kernel does not have initrd but afaik all necessary modules are static (=chipset, ide drivers, filesystem drivers). what am i missing here? is there a neat way to check what is needed? lspci or something? |
| 18:34.42 | maligor | I expect you mean firefox 3 beta 4? |
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| 18:34.47 | forgetsco | not really at the moment abrot, i did earlier, but answered it myself |
| 18:34.53 | kevind23 | maligor: my buttons are left click, right click, scroll up, scroll down, scroll click, and side button (which on winblows is back); 6 in total |
| 18:34.56 | forgetsco | and no, not beta 4 |
| 18:35.11 | lkthomas | greeee |
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| 18:35.16 | lkthomas | I start to hate linux engineering |
| 18:35.25 | forgetsco | ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/ |
| 18:35.31 | maligor | kevind23, well, try 7 anyway |
| 18:35.33 | forgetsco | ff3 alpha 1 |
| 18:35.37 | shingouz | btw, the system is a thinkpad 600X and it does the same thing with a custom kernel for a tp600. the 600 kernel is a known working on a regular 600 |
| 18:35.40 | kevind23 | alright maligor, you're sure 7 ? |
| 18:35.50 | forgetsco | ff4 alpha 1* |
| 18:36.01 | maligor | kevind23, I just extrapolated this from your inability to use one button :P |
| 18:36.09 | kevind23 | :P |
| 18:36.35 | kevind23 | No, maligor, I can use it, X and apps just think it's a left-click |
| 18:36.43 | maligor | yes, that's what I meant |
| 18:36.48 | kevind23 | mmk |
| 18:37.13 | maligor | since if it treats it as a left-click, which is already registered, it must not have it setup right |
| 18:37.14 | forgetsco | just thought it was strange that ff3 hadn't made it past the beta stages and they are already releasing alpha versions of 4 |
| 18:37.36 | zinx | forgetsco: it's a nightly, they probably just started a new development branch |
| 18:37.55 | maligor | forgetsco, I think it's good project management |
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| 18:38.01 | forgetsco | zinx: probably, just thought i'd share that link though |
| 18:38.09 | maligor | forgetsco, you don't want experimental ideas into a code fork that's going to be stable |
| 18:38.23 | maligor | and you don't want the code to vanish either |
| 18:38.47 | kevind23 | Didn't change maligor |
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| 18:39.54 | sgmadison | can someone direct me to a way to set up my main debian box as an apt-cache so that all the other debian machines on my LAN only look at that one machine for their updates? i've been trying to figure it out but am not having much luck |
| 18:40.01 | kevind23 | Is there some type of configuration I need to do for Firefox that lets it know it's a back button, maligor? |
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| 18:41.03 | maligor | kevind23, I don't know really, I stopped using the side buttons when I got this microsoft mouse, the wheel in this thing is perfectly usable, and I never used the back features :P |
| 18:41.18 | maligor | used to remap middle click to the side |
| 18:41.24 | marenz_ | sgmadison, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 18:42.55 | marenz_ | sgmadison, do what it says for using it local, then provide that directory as ftp/http/whatever protocol you want in your lan |
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| 18:44.10 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 18:44.10 | dpkg | [apt-proxy] a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237, or see also <apt-cacher> |
| 18:44.14 | abrotman | sgmadison: ^^ |
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| 18:45.46 | kevind23 | oh maligor, according to xev, X thinks my side button is button 8 |
| 18:45.52 | kevind23 | rather than #6 |
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| 18:46.43 | maligor | kevind23, this is where mr. xmodmap comes into play |
| 18:46.46 | kevind23 | maligor: how do I use xmodmap to make button 8 = button 6 |
| 18:47.01 | maligor | pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 8 7 6 |
| 18:47.09 | kevind23 | commands please ;) |
| 18:47.13 | maligor | put that in ~/.xmodmap |
| 18:47.27 | maligor | you can load it with xmodmap ~/.xmodmap |
| 18:47.38 | maligor | and gnome will notice that it exists and ask you if you want to load it, if you use gnome that is |
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| 18:48.08 | kevind23 | maligor: yep just switched about a week ago |
| 18:48.55 | kevind23 | ahhh it works maligor, thank you :) |
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| 18:50.13 | kevind23 | now for the next question! I have an ATI Remote Wonder (came with my video card).. I'm assuming Debian automagically loads lircd for it because there isn't any remote section in my xorg.conf. My problem is that not all of the buttons are working |
| 18:51.11 | kevind23 | and I don't know how to configure it |
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| 19:00.45 | kevind23 | so no one knows about lirc |
| 19:00.45 | erik_ | dvd writer: i just installed a sata dvd writer. but gnomebaker won't write on the CD disk (not DVD disk) : it says the disk is not writeable. any ideas ? (yes I tried some other disks). |
| 19:01.03 | abrotman | kevind23: other than m-a a-i lirc ? |
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| 19:01.38 | zinx | erik_: dunno the solution for gnomebaker, but i use growisofs / cdrdao and they work, even where the gnome stuff doesn't :/ |
| 19:01.50 | zinx | erik_: report a bug |
| 19:02.06 | kevind23 | abrotman: well the remote is magically working, I want to configure it though and I don't know what's causing the remote to work |
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| 19:02.22 | maligor | erik_, tried other apps? |
| 19:02.52 | maligor | I've heard sata burners have some sort of compability issues |
| 19:02.59 | maligor | I dunno what type tho |
| 19:03.08 | maligor | my sata burner works tho |
| 19:03.13 | cahoot | wodim -prcap? |
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| 19:04.43 | kevind23 | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/953033 what is BTTV? |
| 19:04.54 | abrotman | it's a kernel module |
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| 19:05.15 | kevind23 | m-a a-i bttv? |
| 19:05.38 | kevind23 | nope guess not |
| 19:05.43 | kevind23 | some help, abrotman? |
| 19:05.50 | abrotman | kevind23: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 19:05.57 | kevind23 | no I did not |
| 19:06.04 | maligor | should be included in kernel headers |
| 19:06.10 | kevind23 | kevin@debian:~$ uname -r |
| 19:06.10 | kevind23 | 2.6.22-3-amd64 |
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| 19:06.38 | abrotman | kevind23: you could ask #ati also .. see if they know a bit more |
| 19:07.16 | kevind23 | alrightey |
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| 19:12.17 | shingouz | hmmm.... does udev require initrd for boot? |
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| 19:12.46 | kevind23 | well then maligor, how do I fix this #debian package issue? :P |
| 19:13.09 | maligor | I'm not sure, I tend to build my kernels |
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| 19:13.49 | petemc | shingouz: no |
| 19:13.51 | maligor | so I have the full kernel tree for module building |
| 19:14.05 | abrotman | maligor: that's not needed |
| 19:14.34 | maligor | abrotman, well, that log says it needs bttv.h which is in the kernel tree |
| 19:15.05 | abrotman | maligor: that's not the error |
| 19:15.12 | maligor | really? |
| 19:15.16 | kevind23 | well I don't care what the error is, I want it fixed ><" |
| 19:15.19 | wols_ | shingouz: it doesn't |
| 19:15.28 | abrotman | maligor: look farther up |
| 19:15.36 | wols_ | maligor: it's in the kernel headers |
| 19:15.40 | abrotman | !find drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttvp.h etch |
| 19:15.47 | kevind23 | no, lenny |
| 19:15.52 | abrotman | !find drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttvp.h lenny |
| 19:15.54 | shingouz | petemc: thanks, that is what i thought too. now if i could just find the reason why the kernel refuses to boot. trying with agpgart-intel and i2c-piix enabled. piix, ext2, ext3 and the ide-thingies are already static but still a "no initial console" after rootfs mount on boot |
| 19:15.54 | abrotman | duh .. |
| 19:15.55 | maligor | abrotman, I don't see it, only missing headers |
| 19:16.04 | abrotman | maligor: look *harder* |
| 19:16.05 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttvp.h' returned no results. |
| 19:16.24 | maligor | abrotman, oh, yes |
| 19:16.46 | abrotman | i'm not sure if they're related or not |
| 19:16.48 | maligor | funny my eyes missing that |
| 19:16.56 | abrotman | kevind23: m-a prepare .. does that install anything ? |
| 19:17.14 | simonrvn | checks maligor's eyes |
| 19:17.19 | simonrvn | they're ok |
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| 19:17.27 | kevind23 | No, abortman |
| 19:17.33 | kevind23 | abrotman: * |
| 19:17.39 | abrotman | i highlight on both |
| 19:17.54 | kevind23 | (: |
| 19:17.54 | abrotman | there's no bttv.h at all in lenny |
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| 19:18.31 | kevind23 | oh wonderful |
| 19:18.37 | maligor | that's strange |
| 19:18.48 | lkthomas | does anyone use bacula to restore backup ? how come bacula-fd running so slow ?! |
| 19:18.48 | ProN00b | can i read about the encryption features of the etch installer somewhere ? |
| 19:19.02 | abrotman | or etch, or sid |
| 19:19.30 | kevind23 | so where can i get it? |
| 19:19.54 | maligor | it should be in the kernel, that driver is ancient |
| 19:21.21 | dasunt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:21.30 | wols_ | dpkg -S |
| 19:21.31 | maligor | dpkg -S |
| 19:21.51 | dasunt | Danke. |
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| 19:22.27 | simonrvn | aaah, my favourite os |
| 19:22.34 | maligor | shouldn't the bttv.h atleast be in the linux-source package? |
| 19:22.46 | maligor | oh, it's a tar blob |
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| 19:22.56 | maligor | so not indexed |
| 19:23.07 | abrotman | it should be in the headers is the problem |
| 19:23.14 | simonrvn | dasunt: dlocate is nice too, if you do it a lot |
| 19:24.47 | dasunt | simonrvn: Thanks. |
| 19:24.50 | octox2 | what is the lenny equiv for http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main ? |
| 19:25.01 | abrotman | octox2: s/stable/lenny/ |
| 19:25.21 | dasunt | For some reason, I hosed a lib somewhere, and I'm trying to figure out how to track packages that came from debian-multimedia instead of debian. |
| 19:25.28 | shingouz | maligor: drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.h in 2.6.24 at least |
| 19:25.32 | dasunt | Suggestions are welcomed. |
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| 19:27.08 | maligor | shingouz, yeah, I know |
| 19:27.17 | shingouz | k |
| 19:27.34 | maligor | kevind23, you seem to have hit a missing file in package I guess |
| 19:28.02 | shingouz | has problems concentrating on a kernel compile, irc and the lord of the rings that is running on tv right now :) |
| 19:28.37 | kevind23 | :\ |
| 19:28.38 | maligor | abrotman, actually, that location doesn't seem to be in include, so isn't that a internal header, so it wouldn't be infact in headers |
| 19:28.43 | robin_sz | was not aware you had to concentrate on kernel recompiles ... do they go wrong if you stop thinking abou them? |
| 19:29.01 | kevind23 | I'll do anything to fix it, except get a new distro |
| 19:29.05 | abrotman | maligor: i have the .ko, but nothing in the headers no idea .. kind of goofy |
| 19:29.05 | maligor | I guess it's more of a flaky driver setup / lirc dependencies |
| 19:29.08 | shingouz | robin_sz: yes they do if you are in the make menuconfig state |
| 19:29.43 | maligor | kevind23, you'd need a kernel sources configured to match the running one |
| 19:29.45 | robin_sz | is it a bit like planes? you have to think really hard about the wings holding it all up in the air ... if you stop, well, it might crash! |
| 19:30.14 | octox2 | are there lenny backports ? |
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| 19:30.53 | kevind23 | maligor, if my kernel is 2.6.22-3-amd64, what packages do I need? |
| 19:31.03 | shingouz | robin_sz: not really, there is this wonderful new invention called aerodynamics now but when doing the kernel config you are apt to miss something if you do not pay attention |
| 19:31.17 | wols_ | kevind23: the corrssponding linux-header kernel |
| 19:31.31 | maligor | wols_, they don't have that required file |
| 19:32.01 | robin_sz | hmmm |
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| 19:32.43 | maligor | kevind23, it might be doable to add them there |
| 19:33.06 | kevind23 | wols_: |
| 19:33.07 | kevind23 | kevin@debian:~$ dpkg -s linux-headers-2.6.22-3-amd64 | grep Status |
| 19:33.07 | kevind23 | Status: install ok installed |
| 19:33.58 | kevind23 | maligor: ? |
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| 19:34.54 | shingouz | i think i do a reboot on this one unless someone can come up with an idea how to get a new kernel running without a boot. brb |
| 19:35.32 | kevind23 | moreover, lircd is installed but doesn't have the ati_remote driver which is what I need |
| 19:35.35 | octox2 | anyone have a web page i can look at to get all of the sourcelist entries for lenny? |
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| 19:36.02 | wols_ | shingouz: kexec |
| 19:36.15 | wols_ | !tell octox2 about sources.list |
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| 19:36.41 | maligor | kevind23, well, building your own kernel is always an option |
| 19:36.42 | jackle55 | Good day everyone |
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| 19:36.48 | kevind23 | how, maligor? |
| 19:36.58 | abrotman | maligor: that's a pretty crappy solution |
| 19:37.02 | shingouz | wols_: do not spoil my tea break :) |
| 19:37.02 | maligor | abrotman, yeah, it is |
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| 19:37.26 | wols_ | abrotman: but why would dbeian leave out bttv and v4l1? the cards are still out there and used |
| 19:37.36 | wols_ | abrotman: I have two of them myself (not in use) |
| 19:37.36 | maligor | wols_, it's not left out |
| 19:37.37 | abrotman | wols_: changelog/news ? |
| 19:37.47 | wols_ | maligor: there is no bttv.h in lenny |
| 19:37.56 | abrotman | wols_: the driver itself is there .. the header file that lirc is looking for seems missing |
| 19:37.57 | maligor | wols_, yes, well, it's not in include |
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| 19:38.19 | maligor | the header lirc wants is located in the kernel drivers area, not includes |
| 19:38.46 | jackle55 | I have setup a cyrus mail server but when I try to create a folder as a user (using a mail client) in the same level as the inbox.. I het a permission error. Anyone familiar with this? |
| 19:38.47 | maligor | I'm just wondering if it would be possible to add them there, so I was just following the trail of includes |
| 19:39.41 | petemc | jackle55: you know that debian comes with the tools to fix permission errors? |
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| 19:40.11 | maligor | just seems to want quite a lot of headers |
| 19:40.14 | jackle55 | petemc: This feels like a namespace error or config error in cyrus/imap |
| 19:40.24 | petemc | jackle55: why so? |
| 19:41.05 | Jemt | How can two identical USB Flash devices (Kingston 4 GB USB sticks) have different number of Heads ? One has 255 heads while the other only has 124 heads |
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| 19:41.33 | Jemt | They also have different number of cylinders |
| 19:41.43 | jackle55 | petemc: I need to create a folder "abc" for user X, but the system doesn't allow me to create the folder as X.abc but only as X.INBOX.abc |
| 19:42.02 | kevind23 | debian:~# lircd -n |
| 19:42.02 | kevind23 | lircd-0.8.0[13033]: lircd(userspace) ready |
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| 19:42.06 | kevind23 | I can apparently start lircd |
| 19:42.25 | Ergo^ | hello im on lenny and i would like to install flash |
| 19:42.41 | petemc | jackle55: that is indeed different than a permission error, and not what you seemed to be asking about initially |
| 19:42.44 | Ergo^ | non-free, should i add backports.org for that ? |
| 19:42.57 | petemc | jackle55: i know nothing about cyrus, i use dovecot |
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| 19:43.24 | jackle55 | petemc: got it... "altnamespace" in imapd.conf. thanks anyways |
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| 19:44.39 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 19:44.39 | jazzanova | i'm trying to intstall cinelerra, i can't find it in the repositorieis |
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| 19:45.21 | abrotman | it's not |
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| 19:45.52 | nutcase | hello @all |
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| 19:45.56 | Ergo^ | hello |
| 19:46.03 | Ergo^ | how do i install flash under lenny ? |
| 19:46.36 | abrotman | Ergo^: go to flash.com and get the installer |
| 19:46.42 | abrotman | or /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 19:46.48 | Jemt | Ergo^: Download it from Adobes website, extract it and run the installer - quite simple |
| 19:46.58 | nutcase | i just safe-upgraded my lenny, and now knetworkmanager is not working anymore. is there a way to check which package was upgraded recently |
| 19:47.00 | nutcase | ? |
| 19:47.01 | Ergo^ | ah just like that ? |
| 19:47.10 | Jemt | Ergo^: Just like that :) |
| 19:47.21 | nsopt | Ergo^, download the tar.gz from adobe.com untar it and move libflashplugin.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 19:47.27 | Jemt | Ergo^: Run it as root to install it globally, run it as your self to install it in your home directory (just for you) |
| 19:47.30 | Ergo^ | :P thought that i should use repo for that |
| 19:48.04 | Jemt | Ergo^: There is a flash-installer tool for installing Flash in the repository but I prefer using the lastest release from Adobe when it is that easy to install :) |
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| 19:48.23 | Jemt | Ergo^: Guess it's available through the non-free repository |
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| 19:48.58 | maligor | kevind23, I guess the reason for the modules would be the ability to read input too |
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| 19:52.15 | ProN00b | does anyone know if i can make a software raid5 of two disks by declaring one disk as "missing" so i can easyly add it later ? |
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| 19:52.49 | Crissi | hello |
| 19:53.02 | Crissi | i have problems with bluetooth under lenny |
| 19:53.21 | ProN00b | does it work on stable ? |
| 19:53.21 | Crissi | sending works but i'm invisible and nobody can find me |
| 19:53.44 | Crissi | i have looked around the web... and it seems that the passkey-agent is missing |
| 19:53.45 | Ergo^ | thanks guys |
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| 19:54.22 | Crissi | in etch its included in kbluethooth but in lenny its missing |
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| 19:55.06 | Ergo^ | is there a way i can get lenny network installer to recognize wifi card for net install ? |
| 19:55.21 | micols | I get segmentation fault when starting gliv (opengl image viewer) and mplayer, and xine as normal user, but as root it runs perfectly, what could be wrong . user is in group video ? |
| 19:55.43 | ProN00b | Crissi, well, try installing it manually, contact the package maintainer check debian page about that package |
| 19:55.49 | Como|lappy | silly debian install cd cant find my hard disk. how aggrivating. |
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| 19:57.09 | Crissi | maybe that: http://www.kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-19124-view-previous.html |
| 19:57.20 | tore_ | Ergo^: if the card is supported it should pop right up |
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| 19:59.09 | leafwiz | Hi.. I'm checking the log/message, after a system crash. there is the normal mark statement. But then theres just a lot of hex numbers in <> bracers. Then the kernel log when booting. After this I also got a lot of errors doing a fsck. But SMART says the disk is fine. I don't understand what went wrong |
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| 20:00.12 | Wyzard | leafwiz: Disk problems aren't the only cause of crashes |
| 20:00.22 | Wyzard | leafwiz: That sounds like a kernel stack trace in your log |
| 20:00.31 | maligor | kevind23, still around? |
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| 20:00.47 | Wyzard | leafwiz: Paste it somewhere and someone may be able to identify what the cause may have been |
| 20:00.52 | lynucs | how can i specify, that my vpn connection shouldnt be used for all targets, but only to the vpnserver? i heard somehow with route, but could anyone specify a bit? |
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| 20:01.52 | leafwiz | Wyzard: okay.. I'll try uploading it.. |
| 20:02.02 | Ergo^ | tore_: im talking about installer... but anyways im burning full cd1 iso for testing (it didnt want to install on my pc due to bug) but maybe it will work on the other one |
| 20:02.05 | Wyzard | leafwiz: though, assuming you're using a journaled filesystem (like ext3 or reiser), you shouldn't have gotten fsck errors as a result of the crash |
| 20:02.18 | bohsain | when i try to play a .rm file with totem, it say that it requires Sipro/ACELP.NET voice decoder, where can i install it/ |
| 20:02.21 | bohsain | when i try to play a .rm file with totem, it say that it requires Sipro/ACELP.NET voice decoder, where can i install it/ |
| 20:02.29 | Wyzard | leafwiz: but it's possible that the fsck errors and the crash have the same root cause, maybe bad RAM or an overheating processor or something |
| 20:02.42 | Jemt | How do I create a partition on two different devices with identical number of bytes using fdisk ? They have different numbers of heads, sectors, blocks etc. |
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| 20:03.01 | leafwiz | Wyzard: no, that is what I think is strange.. yeah, I suspect it's bad ram. I'm planing on checking it now |
| 20:03.18 | micols | I get "zsh: segmentation fault gliv" starting gliv (opengl image viewer) and mplayer, and xine as normal user, but as root it runs perfectly, what could be wrong . user is in group video ? |
| 20:03.20 | lynucs | i mean, vpnclient creates a virtual nic (tun device) that act like my eth0.. and all requests are giong over the vpnserver.. and i'd like to use tun-device only for specific domain and other connections over my normal eth0.. anyone knows how that could be opssible? |
| 20:03.47 | Wyzard | Jemt: They'll have different numbers of cylinders, but most modern drives seem to have 255 heads and 63 sectors per track as their virtual geometry |
| 20:04.12 | Wyzard | Jemt: so the (virtual) cylinders are the same size between drives |
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| 20:07.39 | erik_ | anyone ever installed a LG DVD writer, type GH20 ? mine does not write to CDRW's... |
| 20:08.11 | erik_ | or CDR's for that matter... |
| 20:08.25 | n0mad | hi hddtemp /dev/sda shows /dev/sda: WDC WD800JB-00ETA0: 28 C shows hmn having problem missing "°" and conky goes mad.. ; im not erik_ |
| 20:09.04 | nsopt | erik_ i guess you can try nerolinux as your last resort |
| 20:09.24 | erik_ | nsopt: I have that... and tries GNomeBaker too... no go. |
| 20:09.25 | leafwiz | Wyzard: http://pastebin.org/24895 - log/messages |
| 20:10.01 | erik_ | nsopt: now trying to get things going in VMware winxp machine... |
| 20:10.20 | leafwiz | Wyzard: And what's giving me suspicions of memory fault - http://pastebin.org/24896 |
| 20:10.26 | n0mad | ther must be ..33°C not ..33 C - is it locale problem or what ? |
| 20:10.42 | maligor | erik_, mine's a Samsung SH-S183A |
| 20:10.55 | itchi | Jemt: There's a little trick with sfdisk -d /dev/sdb | sfdisk /dev/sda if you want to clone the partitions, but like you said ... |
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| 20:11.37 | Wyzard | leafwiz: hmm, the log full of garbage characters doesn't make much sense to me |
| 20:11.47 | Wyzard | leafwiz: but the second paste doesn't indicate defective RAM, it indicates running out of RAM |
| 20:12.10 | leafwiz | Wyzard: heh.. okay, I thought maybe you had some magical powers. or something.. :P |
| 20:12.15 | itchi | erik_: Did you try as root user? |
| 20:12.39 | Wyzard | leafwiz: "oom-killer" is the kernel's out-of-memory handler, which choose a process to kill in order to free up some memory because there's none left |
| 20:12.46 | erik_ | itchi: no... should I ? |
| 20:12.55 | itchi | erik_: Well, just as test, yes |
| 20:13.05 | erik_ | itchi...ok, i'll try... |
| 20:13.07 | leafwiz | Wyzard: yeah. Running out of ram. But why should a system running out of ram get a corrupt filesystem? |
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| 20:13.33 | Wyzard | leafwiz: It shouldn't, as far as I can see |
| 20:13.37 | nsopt | erik_ if it works try adding your user to the cdrom group |
| 20:14.08 | leafwiz | Wyzard: Yeah, so i'm thinking a hardware problem somewhere.. |
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| 20:14.18 | Wyzard | leafwiz: unless, maybe, the memory shortage was so bad that the filesystem driver couldn't work properly, but I don't know whether that's something that could really happen |
| 20:14.27 | erik_ | nsopt. ok. thnx... |
| 20:14.42 | Wyzard | leafwiz: I'd recommend you address the problem you *know* you have -- add more RAM -- before you worry about the one you're not sure of |
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| 20:14.52 | ProN00b | oom-killer is funny ^^ |
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| 20:16.46 | leafwiz | Wyzard: heh.. I have one gig ram. And it's just running as a fileserver.. Though i have some torrent progs on it.. maybe tornado went bananas.. |
| 20:17.24 | octox2 | is there a backports for lenny ? |
| 20:17.39 | ProN00b | the only ocassion i ever seen oom-killer in action was when i used wine |
| 20:17.42 | dvs | octox2: why? lenny is just a delayed sid |
| 20:18.09 | octox2 | i dont know, im a deb newby lol, just changing my source list |
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| 20:19.33 | itchi | octox2: You want to know about releases |
| 20:19.54 | octox2 | itchi: i am just going to upgrade to lenny |
| 20:20.11 | cloner | ooooh Lord have mercy, my system has some wierd issue, where it can't share audio with mozilla, so I copy some script I found of net into ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf that allows me to run two audios at same time. Now I did reboot, and it doesn't work anymore |
| 20:20.13 | itchi | !tell octox2 -about release |
| 20:20.22 | itchi | octox2: Check that out |
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| 20:22.45 | Jemt | itchi: Thanks for the tup regarding sfdisk :) |
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| 20:22.58 | PaulTT | Greetings all--I'm migrating servers and would like to get a list of all of the packages I have installed on the server I'm migrating from to install on the new server. Is there a way to easily do this? How do I get a list of what I've installed through aptitude/apt-get? |
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| 20:23.01 | itchi | Jemt: No problem ;-) |
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| 20:23.35 | itchi | PaulTT: checkout dpkg about reinstall |
| 20:23.43 | Absolute0 | which package is flashpluin-nonfree in? |
| 20:23.45 | cloner | Never mind, the cable was loose |
| 20:23.50 | itchi | !tell PaulTT -about reinstall |
| 20:23.52 | Jemt | itchi: But what happens if I dump the partitions from a device that's 2.01 GB and the destination device (the new device) is only 2.00 GB ? |
| 20:23.55 | Absolute0 | I am on lenny and its not coming up |
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| 20:24.37 | Absolute0 | is gnash fully functional? |
| 20:24.40 | itchi | Jemt: Well, i don't know :-) I guess, you will get an error |
| 20:24.43 | PaulTT | thanks itchi |
| 20:24.55 | Jemt | itchi: Okay :-/ Thanks |
| 20:25.06 | frankyboy | gnash is very very buggy ;) |
| 20:25.13 | itchi | Jemt: The trick i showed you i used to clone partitions when doing RAID1 |
| 20:25.31 | Jemt | itchi: Okay - such disks might differ in size too |
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| 20:25.36 | Absolute0 | frankyboy: I have non-free enabled and flashplugin isn't there (on lenny) |
| 20:26.00 | cloner | Absolute0, dude it is there, you must make some mistake |
| 20:26.07 | itchi | Jemt: I always buy new disk for this and till now i got always the exact same size |
| 20:26.08 | Jemt | Okay, how do I clone a USB flash device to a new flash device of the same (almost) size ? Two 2GB devices might differ several MBs |
| 20:26.10 | Absolute0 | cloner: nope |
| 20:26.22 | Jemt | itchi: Okay |
| 20:26.30 | cloner | Absolute0, oh, actually, I use stable so I wouldn't know, sorry |
| 20:26.34 | itchi | Jemt: Just clone the smallest one i should say |
| 20:27.02 | Jemt | itchi: I have used 'dd' until now but today I ran into a very small 4GB usb disk that couldn't contain the partition table |
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| 20:27.36 | Jemt | itchi: Actually that was what I thought of too - but one day I will run into an even smaller disk and I will again have the same problem |
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| 20:27.59 | frankyboy | Absolute0: hehe |
| 20:27.59 | itchi | Jemt: Can you not create the partitions manually an tar the content? |
| 20:28.15 | Pip | Hello,is there any torrent of small installation image ? |
| 20:28.20 | cloner | Absolute0, I think you can just open mozilla, and it will ask to install missing pluggin. But anyway if this helps: the package is flashplugin-nonfree and inside sources.list append to one of them non-free |
| 20:28.22 | Absolute0 | Where the hell is flash?!!?!? |
| 20:28.36 | dvs | Absolute0: Rascoe's dog. ;-) |
| 20:28.46 | Absolute0 | cloner: It fails from firefox.. |
| 20:28.47 | Pip | All what I found is ftp on offical site,but that's too slow for me |
| 20:28.57 | Jemt | itchi: I was going to - just can't figure out how to create partitions of the EXACT identical size using fdisk |
| 20:28.59 | tuxan | Absolute0: flashplugin has been removed, see 2/17 news |
| 20:29.22 | Absolute0 | fetches the official binaries. |
| 20:29.33 | cloner | Absolute0, install using the stable one if it isn't in unstable, although I seriously doubt it isn't, in either case it will be same package probably, so change you sources to stable, install it, and then change back to lenny |
| 20:29.41 | itchi | Jemt: Does that really matters if it's not? I don't know the purpose of the USB stuff |
| 20:29.47 | Absolute0 | cloner: read what tuxan said |
| 20:30.09 | cloner | Absolute0, install the one in stable sources then |
| 20:30.15 | itchi | Absolute0: I installed these of stable here, still no problem |
| 20:30.23 | Jemt | itchi: I perfer bit-to-bit clones - that way I'm 100% sure everything will work |
| 20:30.46 | Jemt | itchi: That's why I use 'dd' |
| 20:30.59 | itchi | Jemt: Ghost it? |
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| 20:31.12 | Jemt | itchi: Still not bit-to-bit |
| 20:31.23 | itchi | Jemt: Sure they will |
| 20:31.24 | dasunt | Hmmmm. |
| 20:31.28 | pipeline | Jemt: Your'e STILL working on this? |
| 20:31.38 | Pip | I found it,just didn't notice |
| 20:31.39 | itchi | Jemt: even with partimage |
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| 20:32.03 | Jemt | pipeline: Yea |
| 20:32.04 | cloner | man, I was using the yahoo site for playing chess, and I am banned or something, cause it aint working anymore, so I tried xboard but I can't connect howto, and I got gnuchess, woow, it is a good program |
| 20:32.07 | dasunt | I'm trying to launch an application and I'm getting an invalid screen and a lot of X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8 |
| 20:32.11 | itchi | Jemt: Is that some USB install or so? |
| 20:32.18 | Jemt | itchi: Yes |
| 20:32.33 | Jemt | itchi: I have installed Debian on a USB devices and I need 10 of them - much easier to clone it |
| 20:32.44 | Jemt | Takes 10 hours or so to perform each install |
| 20:32.50 | itchi | Jemt: Well, ghost it then? With a TUI and such :-) |
| 20:32.58 | Jemt | TUI ? |
| 20:33.09 | itchi | Text User Interface |
| 20:33.10 | Jemt | Terminal UI ? |
| 20:33.11 | Jemt | Ah |
| 20:33.13 | Jemt | Close ;) |
| 20:34.04 | itchi | Jemt: Or maybe, just do some automated install? Debian has a 'preseed' system that works very nicely |
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| 20:34.34 | embrik | any norwgians here? I need to know prisces for ms office 2007 school lisence - wan't to make a spreadsheet showing piliticians how much they can save when using OO |
| 20:34.39 | FordCortina | is there a way to write stuff directly into the clipbored from the command line |
| 20:34.45 | FordCortina | ? |
| 20:34.47 | FordCortina | like |
| 20:34.54 | itchi | Jemt: http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/pyguicms-dev/articles/view/automate_a_debian_install_with_preseed Is very easy to do |
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| 20:35.00 | FordCortina | cat myfile > /path/to/the/clipboard |
| 20:35.03 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 20:35.07 | Jemt | itchi: I have created a Shell Script that performs the install - but the Internet connection is pretty slow :p |
| 20:35.12 | HardDisk_WP | on my slower machine, there is a /dev/scd0 |
| 20:35.17 | itchi | FordCortina: You want xclip, if you have X |
| 20:35.25 | itchi | FordCortina: xclip /some/file |
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| 20:35.30 | HardDisk_WP | can I tunnel this device file so my faster computer can rip the DVD from the slower machine? |
| 20:35.36 | FordCortina | itchi: thanks |
| 20:35.42 | itchi | FordCortina: foo | bar | xclip |
| 20:35.47 | dvs | HardDisk_WP: over a network? |
| 20:36.09 | leafwiz | embrik: hehe. Maybe I get ban/kicked from the channel now by advertising this. But my school get those licenses for free.. But then we are a college. |
| 20:36.09 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: how fast is your network? |
| 20:36.24 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, 100Mbit |
| 20:36.28 | HardDisk_WP | dvs, yep |
| 20:36.32 | dasunt | FIXED IT! |
| 20:36.39 | dvs | HardDisk_WP: That's what I do with .iso images |
| 20:36.41 | dasunt | Only took me six hours. |
| 20:36.47 | HardDisk_WP | dvs, it's CSS protected |
| 20:36.52 | HardDisk_WP | so no images... |
| 20:36.56 | dvs | oh |
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| 20:37.04 | dasunt | If I was at work, I could replace this computer twice over for the time I spent on this project. |
| 20:37.06 | HardDisk_WP | only direct tunneling is possible |
| 20:37.23 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: you would be better off ripping the dvd from a faster source |
| 20:37.28 | dvs | HardDisk_WP: I use cifs so I don't know. |
| 20:37.50 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, well, the faster machine (a laptop) already is ripping 2 DVDs^^ |
| 20:38.05 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: i guess, transcoding is generally processor ound |
| 20:38.09 | petemc | bound |
| 20:38.15 | dvs | hound? |
| 20:38.28 | HardDisk_WP | yep. and the CPU of my slower PC ... it sucks for transcoding |
| 20:38.32 | octox2 | upgrading to lenny wont kill my mdraid right lol |
| 20:38.47 | HardDisk_WP | so I want to use the DVD drive of my PC in the notebook^^ |
| 20:38.57 | dvs | octox2: why? you would get a newer version of the package |
| 20:38.58 | octox2 | the new kernel and ramdisk should be god to go still i assume |
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| 20:39.20 | octox2 | good * to go |
| 20:39.21 | itchi | octox2: Put you raid on another computer and see what happend |
| 20:39.35 | embrik | leafwiz: I see. MS should have done that ages ago - or in act, maybe paid us for using them. Whe (the schools) are the best paid ad. they can get.. |
| 20:39.36 | dvs | octox2: you could even use your old kernel |
| 20:39.39 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, is it possible to do this kind of tunneling I need? |
| 20:39.42 | octox2 | the whole system is on raid |
| 20:39.44 | itchi | octox2: It's just sofware raid so, it' should be ok |
| 20:39.58 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: sounds like you need a network fs, like samba |
| 20:40.05 | dvs | cifs! |
| 20:40.09 | petemc | aye |
| 20:40.10 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, will some kind of mounting magic (fuse) support device files? |
| 20:40.20 | petemc | im not sure |
| 20:40.35 | itchi | dvs: Do you use cifs for /home shares too? Is cifs better as NFS? |
| 20:40.35 | petemc | actually, yes |
| 20:40.40 | HardDisk_WP | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSHFS |
| 20:40.42 | dvs | itchi: hell no! |
| 20:40.44 | HardDisk_WP | sweet |
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| 20:40.47 | petemc | you can share out dvd drives etc |
| 20:40.51 | octox2 | i guess just like compiling your own kernel, it will updare the ramdisk based off of currently loaded modules right :) |
| 20:40.54 | dvs | itchi: it's a spare drive on my system |
| 20:41.00 | octox2 | update* |
| 20:41.16 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: i have seen some apps choke on network file systems tho |
| 20:41.18 | maligor | cifs is easier than nfs |
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| 20:41.33 | itchi | maligor: Well, nfs is not that hard at all :-) |
| 20:41.34 | petemc | easier? |
| 20:41.48 | maligor | and nfs is completely open |
| 20:41.50 | itchi | I can't imagine it will be easier |
| 20:42.01 | maligor | alteast I don't think it has any credentials checking |
| 20:42.03 | itchi | maligor: Are you not an "open" freak? :-p |
| 20:42.17 | maligor | depends who's behind the door, eh :P |
| 20:42.26 | itchi | maligor: For a trusted secured lan, NFS is ok |
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| 20:42.49 | octox2 | i was trying to get nfs working earlier today but i couldnt lol |
| 20:42.58 | dvs | o_O |
| 20:43.02 | octox2 | where in konqueror would you see your shares ? |
| 20:43.04 | itchi | octox2: User error 1 :-) |
| 20:43.20 | maligor | heh |
| 20:44.09 | itchi | octox2: Just fill in the path, samba broadcast stuff so that make it easy to find the shares, like it pop up automagically |
| 20:44.21 | octox2 | i had my home directory shared through nfs, but onthe other sys i couldnt see it anywhere |
| 20:44.41 | itchi | octox2: You put a line into the /etc/fstab |
| 20:45.07 | maligor | yeah, nfs is more for the serious unix person types |
| 20:45.13 | itchi | octox2: Essentialy for the /home. You want this automated |
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| 20:45.52 | itchi | maligor: Well, nfs is just some old know insecure stuff |
| 20:46.00 | octox2 | so, using nfs is a little differnt that looking at a samba share ? |
| 20:46.10 | itchi | octox2: Yeah |
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| 20:46.19 | octox2 | itchi: you can have it mount it like a reagular drive ? |
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| 20:46.43 | itchi | octox2: You put a line as <ip>:/home /home nfs rw,rsize=4096,wsize=4096,hard,intr,sync,nodev,nosuid 0 0 |
| 20:46.46 | maligor | octox2, you mean you want to browse your home directory, and not mount it over the other machines? |
| 20:46.59 | octox2 | itchi: what about in remote places in konqueror, add a network folder whould be more along the lines of what i might do ? |
| 20:47.00 | maligor | since itchi is telling you how to mount it over |
| 20:47.04 | itchi | octox2: Sure, the clients don't see any differents. Appart that it is slower |
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| 20:47.25 | itchi | octox2: Konqueror let you add it too i thought |
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| 20:48.04 | itchi | octox2: Ah no, no nfs with konqueror |
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| 20:48.18 | octox2 | maligor: i actually just want to share one folder so i can drag and drop stuff back and forth between the boxes without haveig too use my usb drive all day long lol |
| 20:48.28 | itchi | octox2: You just use the mount command to mount whatever share |
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| 20:48.41 | maligor | octox2, for that, I'd use cifs |
| 20:48.51 | maligor | nfs is more heavy duty sort of stuff |
| 20:48.52 | dvs | maligor: seconded |
| 20:49.05 | dvs | except for that 2GB file size limit |
| 20:49.17 | itchi | I still don't see what there is hard to setup with nfs heh |
| 20:49.38 | maligor | you could also use sftp for that |
| 20:49.39 | octox2 | itchi: so you make a folder called whatever, and mount it as the network drive just like a normal drive more or less |
| 20:49.41 | octox2 | ? |
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| 20:49.49 | itchi | octox2: Yes |
| 20:50.13 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, sshfs doesnt allow access to device files |
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| 20:50.19 | octox2 | ok cool, ill try after the upgrade if i can boot up lol |
| 20:50.21 | itchi | octox2: Just see that you have setup the server correctly, what is easy to do. But your client may need to have the rights to mount it |
| 20:50.24 | Como|lappy | mmmkay |
| 20:50.29 | Como|lappy | burning slamd64 |
| 20:50.38 | Como|lappy | we shall see if sanity will be mine |
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| 20:51.00 | itchi | octox2: Well, i use NIS too, very nice and that insecure as NFS. |
| 20:51.11 | stew | i'd avoid cifs if at all possible. its much buggier than nfs |
| 20:51.13 | octox2 | itchi: so, do i maybe have to add the remote users name to a list of users that can access the NFS share? |
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| 20:51.43 | enouf | isn't there only a 2GB issue on older smbfs only? not cifs? |
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| 20:51.55 | octox2 | itchi: or, on the remote side, will it make me log in with a user and pass ? |
| 20:52.08 | itchi | octox2: I mean that you need to put some stuff in the /etc/exports of the server |
| 20:52.24 | itchi | octox2: Wait, check this http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/pyguicms-dev/articles/view/nfs |
| 20:52.35 | octox2 | oh cool, thanks |
| 20:52.37 | enouf | (or maybe was it even 4GB limit, not 2) |
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| 20:52.53 | itchi | enouf: Dou you talk about the cifs limit? |
| 20:52.56 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: helium isnt a replacement for oxegen - in fact you would die if you tried to breathe helium rather than oxegen |
| 20:53.23 | ProN00b | lol |
| 20:53.26 | enouf | (no, i'm not confusing it with fat32, though i never knew the issue with smbfs, i do know why fat32 has it) |
| 20:53.44 | enouf | itchi: never knew there was one, is there? |
| 20:53.47 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, ^^ |
| 20:53.54 | itchi | enouf: Well not on NFS |
| 20:53.55 | dasunt | petemc: What? Can't everyone fuse helium into heavier elements to gain energy for biological functions? :p |
| 20:53.58 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: i didnt tell you to use sshfs |
| 20:54.08 | petemc | dasunt: last i checked, no |
| 20:54.33 | maligor | petemc, but living inside a oxygen environment is hazardous because of the fire risk |
| 20:54.50 | dasunt | maligor: Isn't it a high-pressure oxygen environment? |
| 20:54.56 | itchi | enouf: The biggest iso i dropped on the share is 3,6 GB it seems |
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| 20:55.07 | petemc | maligor: im not suggesting that HardDisk_WP breathe pure oxegen |
| 20:55.09 | ProN00b | helium, the new and improved oxygen ! a total 6 more electrons for higher performance breath intake ! |
| 20:55.17 | dasunt | ProN00b: LOL! |
| 20:55.35 | dasunt | Although I thought helium had only 2 electrons. |
| 20:55.40 | itchi | enouf: I even think i dropped a dual layer sized one some time ago, or i may be wrong ... |
| 20:55.43 | ProN00b | o wait |
| 20:55.43 | dasunt | The lower shell is filled. |
| 20:55.52 | ProN00b | heium has less than oxygen *_* |
| 20:55.56 | dasunt | It is oxygen that has a half-empty second shell (forget the name of it) |
| 20:56.02 | ProN00b | 6 less then |
| 20:56.02 | petemc | i cant spell fings |
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| 20:56.04 | dasunt | ProN00b: Blame the mistake on marketing! |
| 20:56.07 | ProN00b | ya |
| 20:56.19 | ProN00b | since, you know, less electrons is better anyways |
| 20:56.21 | enouf | itchi: who knows, maybe the weenies who use it have fat32 at one end of their cifs or smbfs share |
| 20:56.26 | ProN00b | its like less free radicals n stuff |
| 20:56.28 | dasunt | Helium has a filled lower shell, Oxygen has a filled lower shell and (IIRC) 6 out of 8 in the second shell. |
| 20:56.38 | itchi | enouf: Oh, you don't talk about NFS? |
| 20:56.42 | petemc | all i know is its less dense |
| 20:56.45 | dasunt | Helium, aka Oxygen-lite! |
| 20:56.49 | maligor | ProN00b, It has less atomic weight so the strain on the lungs will be lessened, thus leading to new levels of performance! |
| 20:56.54 | enouf | itchi: no ;-) |
| 20:56.55 | petemc | as such, my son has great fun with balloons |
| 20:57.03 | itchi | enouf: You did me flashing :-p |
| 20:57.03 | dasunt | Less electrons to help y ou keep a healthy weight. |
| 20:57.13 | enouf | hehe :-P |
| 20:57.15 | ProN00b | petemc, its not exactly healthy... |
| 20:57.32 | ProN00b | seriously speaking... |
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| 20:57.38 | petemc | searches for context |
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| 20:57.51 | enouf | antioxidants |
| 20:57.54 | dasunt | Btw, I'm not goofing off: http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 20:58.01 | itchi | !tell JoeShmo about root |
| 20:58.03 | dasunt | :p |
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| 20:58.59 | ProN00b | "<petemc> as such, my son has great fun with balloons" the context is that he shouldn't have too often fun with them (i asumed they were filled with helium) |
| 20:59.17 | abrotman | gives petemc a beer |
| 20:59.31 | enouf | astronauts in space lose serious bone mass and density, no matter how much they exercise |
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| 20:59.47 | apollo13 | hi, with gnome 2.22 it seems as if gnome provides a ssh agent, in the past I used the seahorse agent and my ssh keys where stored in the keyring (and I had to unlock my keyring, the new agent asks for the passprahse and doesn't take them from the keyring), how can I do this now? |
| 21:00.01 | cloner | enouf, what are you talking about, why? |
| 21:00.25 | ProN00b | enouf, well, gravity, less food, and their known lazyness contribute to that |
| 21:00.31 | enouf | you don't want to know, trust me |
| 21:00.39 | petemc | passes abrotman a joint |
| 21:00.50 | enouf | elbow? |
| 21:00.50 | petemc | my nick completion doesnt like abrotman |
| 21:00.55 | cloner | I think I have the same problem cause my back always hurts |
| 21:00.56 | octox2 | * |
| 21:01.11 | octox2 | how do you do that ? |
| 21:01.12 | octox2 | lol |
| 21:01.47 | abrotman | petemc: it doesn't? |
| 21:02.09 | petemc | abrotman: no, i cycled through about 20 names before i got to you |
| 21:02.17 | abrotman | petemc: abr wasn't enough ? |
| 21:02.18 | cloner | I just type abr and completes |
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| 21:02.31 | kekko | hey got this prob with specific dependenies .. Any suggestion? http://pastebin.com/d2b147861 |
| 21:02.37 | petemc | abrotman: im a 2 letter<tab> man |
| 21:02.43 | petemc | 3 seems cheating |
| 21:02.49 | abrotman | kekko: you're mixing versions of debian |
| 21:03.00 | petemc | sometimes 1 |
| 21:03.01 | abrotman | petemc: there are only two nicks here that start with 'ab' :) |
| 21:03.08 | kekko | abrotman: yes i did in order to install firefox 3. |
| 21:03.13 | enouf | just in time :-P |
| 21:03.20 | kekko | abrotman: how can i reverse that? |
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| 21:03.25 | petemc | abrotman: pedant |
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| 21:03.32 | cloner | kekko, is it better? |
| 21:03.33 | abrotman | kekko: keep the pieces .. have fun |
| 21:03.59 | itchi | JoeShmo: Avoid root logins ;-) |
| 21:04.03 | kekko | cloner : well it allows me to run firefox 3 .. that's all |
| 21:04.09 | JoeShmo | bah |
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| 21:04.21 | kekko | abrotman: i can't install anything else if i don't solve those dep |
| 21:04.27 | cloner | kekko, no I mean, is firefox 3 better? what the new stuff? |
| 21:04.34 | abrotman | kekko: you screwed up your box |
| 21:04.45 | stew | kekko: you have upgraded your install to unstable. debian provides no automated way to downgrade again |
| 21:04.46 | JoeShmo | is there a way to install a package from the experimental branch without doing a dist-upgrade to experimental? all I want is xcompmgr... |
| 21:04.47 | enouf | you brokeded it |
| 21:04.49 | abrotman | kekko: what did you think .. you could just install half of unstable and then go back to etch ? |
| 21:05.18 | kekko | abrotman: kind of , yes |
| 21:05.22 | stew | kekko: "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" outlines a tedious manual procedure that might work, however there are no guarantees |
| 21:05.23 | abrotman | !pal kekko |
| 21:05.23 | dpkg | points at kekko and laughs |
| 21:05.27 | octox2 | i have 4 min left of the upgrade, should I hit reset ? |
| 21:05.30 | petemc | JoeShmo: it should just pull in what you need from experimental |
| 21:05.32 | itchi | kekko: That's why you had need to make a backport of it |
| 21:05.54 | itchi | octox2: Did you upgrade to sid? |
| 21:06.00 | octox2 | no lenny |
| 21:06.07 | JoeShmo | so just another line in sources.list specifying experimental... hmm |
| 21:06.23 | octox2 | i just want pulseaudio 9.9 and i was getting error compileing it for some reson |
| 21:06.26 | abrotman | kekko: and very likely once you finish the "partial downgrade" process .. FF3 won't run anyways |
| 21:06.43 | octox2 | so, lenny it is |
| 21:06.46 | itchi | JoeShmo: Well, follow the discusion here above or you break your toy like kekko did |
| 21:07.11 | JoeShmo | oh, I've broken and recovered dist-upgrades and downgrades many times. |
| 21:07.21 | octox2 | i was joking about the reset, i forgot to put "lol" |
| 21:07.48 | petemc | too busy laughing |
| 21:07.53 | itchi | octox2: And what was the reason? |
| 21:07.53 | petemc | out loud |
| 21:07.55 | JoeShmo | I love those -force-things options... there should be more forcing... |
| 21:07.57 | kekko | ok so it looks like reinstalling is the only feasable solution right? |
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| 21:08.05 | octox2 | for the upgreade? |
| 21:08.14 | abrotman | kekko: we didn't say that |
| 21:08.16 | itchi | kekko: No, take a GameBoy ;-) |
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| 21:08.46 | octox2 | somsone told me pulseaudio 9.9 was in lenny, and I was having probs compiling it so i figured i would just upgrade |
| 21:09.11 | itchi | octox2: If if fails to compile you should first check what the problem is and fix it |
| 21:09.12 | kekko | thx itchi. will get a PSP instead |
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| 21:09.41 | kevind23 | maligor: I'm back |
| 21:09.53 | kevind23 | did you resolve anything? |
| 21:09.56 | kekko | abrotman: it seems that the partial downgreat might still leave broken stuff around. so what else? |
| 21:10.08 | octox2 | i was trying to by asking people in #pulseaudio abou the messages refering to the source being bad while running make, and they just told me to upgrade and get it in lenny lol :) |
| 21:10.24 | abrotman | kekko: either try it or don't |
| 21:10.51 | JoeShmo | kekko: did you paste the dependency mess your facing now somewhere? |
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| 21:11.07 | abrotman | JoeShmo: yes .. /lastlog |
| 21:11.09 | octox2 | should i not touch keymap, or select it from a list? lol |
| 21:11.13 | kekko | JoeShmo: yes, http://pastebin.com/d2b147861 |
| 21:11.13 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 21:11.17 | stew | JoeShmo: he's got unstable's libc6 installed on a stable system |
| 21:12.27 | JoeShmo | cant he force install the ones from stable, then remove the unstable ones? |
| 21:12.48 | JoeShmo | maybe not in dpkg, or apt, but maybe via wget, and whacking on stuff in /lib |
| 21:12.54 | abrotman | what the hell |
| 21:12.58 | stew | JoeShmo: he shouldn't force anything. he has to downgrade anything that was installed depending on the newer libc6 |
| 21:13.06 | itchi | abrotman: It's dark now |
| 21:13.14 | abrotman | turn the lights on |
| 21:13.29 | petemc | he could rewrite his os in assemler while hes at it |
| 21:14.30 | JoeShmo | and apt-get update, dist-upgrade after changing sources back to etch doesnt work? |
| 21:14.37 | petemc | goes to tend to his chinchilla |
| 21:14.37 | abrotman | of course it doesn't |
| 21:14.49 | abrotman | goes to get the bbq sauce |
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| 21:15.20 | JoeShmo | coulda sworn thats what I've done.. but maybe I butchered something else to make it work.. (shrug) |
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| 21:15.44 | stew | JoeShmo: no, since the packages in etch are lower versions than the packages he has now, 'dist-upgrade' would find nothing to upgrade |
| 21:16.22 | octox2 | upgrading over ssh is nice when it asks you to shut down kdm lol |
| 21:16.23 | kekko | stew: in fact i've tried that but no luck |
| 21:16.31 | octox2 | i was like, ok go ahead |
| 21:16.41 | octox2 | woohoo, ssh rocks |
| 21:16.59 | Absolute0 | Which command lists the contents of an installed pkg? |
| 21:17.09 | stew | Absolute0: dpkg -L packagename |
| 21:17.09 | abrotman | Absolute0: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 21:17.31 | octox2 | wouldnt that kill all of the x windows, i still have kicker running remotely? |
| 21:18.02 | itchi | octox2: That's why i use screen |
| 21:18.25 | octox2 | my kicker didnt get killed though |
| 21:18.38 | itchi | octox2: Whatever, use screen :-p |
| 21:18.49 | octox2 | i am running X over ssh |
| 21:19.07 | itchi | octox2: Well that don't matter, checkout what screen is |
| 21:19.18 | octox2 | ok ill check it out |
| 21:19.47 | properzel | couldnt live without screen |
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| 21:21.33 | octox2 | itchi: screen runs on win or linux ? |
| 21:21.43 | itchi | octox2: *nix |
| 21:21.51 | octox2 | seems cool |
| 21:22.38 | stew | octox2: either, but i've found it to be very buggy on windows |
| 21:23.18 | itchi | stew: In cygwin? |
| 21:23.28 | JoeShmo | how about mrxvt + Dtach in leu of screen? |
| 21:23.32 | itchi | /In/With/ |
| 21:23.35 | stew | itchi: yes |
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| 21:23.41 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 21:24.31 | z-force | i wanna know how to hide my status on local machine (login, etc) but don't hide my ip address |
| 21:24.36 | z-force | i mean in irc |
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| 21:24.55 | itchi | z-force: Check #whateverIRCclientYouUse |
| 21:25.14 | master_alvaro | it is possible to run/check suspend (uswsusp -> user space suspend to disk) on Virtual machine (VirtualBox)? |
| 21:25.28 | z-force | you mean #gaim? |
| 21:25.32 | octox2 | dude, upgrade takes a while lol |
| 21:25.44 | itchi | z-force: Probably |
| 21:26.21 | itchi | master_alvaro: Has virtualbox not a suspend feature? |
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| 21:27.08 | master_alvaro | itchi: but it is suspend to _disk_, not stanby or s2ram |
| 21:27.48 | octox2 | upgrade just before wife wants you to take her somewhere = beating |
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| 21:28.02 | petemc | if a virtual machine suspended to ram i would shoot it in the face |
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| 21:28.10 | itchi | octox2: Press pause on your wife |
| 21:28.14 | octox2 | haha |
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| 21:29.05 | master_alvaro | petemc: it is suspend to _disk_ |
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| 21:29.45 | master_alvaro | so, is it possible in virtual machine? |
| 21:29.50 | petemc | master_alvaro: i dont think conventional suspension models apply to virtualised guests |
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| 21:30.00 | petemc | i might be wrong |
| 21:30.30 | z-force | didn't find any pidgin debian packages (gaim was renamed to pidgin) |
| 21:30.51 | z-force | i am afraid to install raw package |
| 21:30.58 | petemc | z-force: etch has gaim, as thats how it was when it was released |
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| 21:31.20 | coventry | I'm getting complaints about unmet dependencies when I try to "apt-get install" stuff. If I do "apt-get -f install", I get a complaint that libdjvulibre21 is trying to install a file on top of one installed by libdjvulibre15. If I try to apt-get remove libdjvulibre15, I'm back to the complaint about unmet dependencies, libdjvulibre15 remains installed, and all of the other problems I've described persist. Is there a way out of this? |
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| 21:31.35 | simonrvn | known bug |
| 21:31.55 | coventry | Yeah, I noticed, but I haven't found a workaround. Can you point me at one, please? |
| 21:32.34 | simonrvn | remove 15 |
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| 21:33.15 | coventry | As I described, "apt-get remove libdjvulibre15" doesn't seem to have any effect. Is tehre a bigger hammer? |
| 21:33.34 | z-force | between nvidia-glx line of 1.0.8776, 1.0.9746 and 169.09 versions only 1.0.9746 works for me properly |
| 21:33.41 | simonrvn | purge it |
| 21:33.55 | z-force | but 1.0.9746 is in testing archive |
| 21:33.57 | simonrvn | and maybe start using aptitude instead... |
| 21:34.00 | JoeShmo | can anyone recommend a browser that supports java (true java, not javascript) aside from firefox and opera? they're both way too big. |
| 21:34.29 | Ergo^ | hello is there a way i can enable ralink (rt61) wireless on lenny without netowrk connection ? |
| 21:34.39 | dondelelcaro | JoeShmo: uh... any browser that handles netscape style plugins can |
| 21:34.43 | coventry | "apt-get purge libdjvulibre15" does not remove it. Is that what you mean? |
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| 21:34.48 | dondelelcaro | (since no browser supports java natively) |
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| 21:34.50 | frankyboy | 169.x needed for kernel >=24 |
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| 21:35.10 | stew | dondelelcaro: http://java.sun.com/products/archive/hotjava/index.html :) |
| 21:35.15 | abrotman | ewwww |
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| 21:35.39 | dondelelcaro | stew: well, there are exceptions, true... but they're all nasty. |
| 21:35.44 | stew | agreed |
| 21:36.12 | z-force | 169.09 couldn't be installed at all, it was asking for newer libc6, when i installed the newest libc6 in repository it still asked for libc6 update |
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| 21:36.36 | kekko | it worked!! aptitude actually did the downgrade pretty much automatically .i only had to insert the debian 4 cd |
| 21:36.50 | lastnode | my canon c45 printer isnt working (wont run when a print job is sent to it) it shows up in the printer list though. do i need some ppds orsomething? |
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| 21:37.05 | [0_A4tech | Ñ |
| 21:37.06 | itchi | kekko: Well, you are ready to break it again :-p |
| 21:37.09 | frankyboy | i had to install the nvidia driver by hand ... |
| 21:37.24 | kekko | itchi: i've learned the lesson i think |
| 21:37.38 | frankyboy | still not present in unstable |
| 21:37.39 | kekko | thanks to all for the help |
| 21:37.47 | itchi | kekko: It's with breaking that you mostly learn of |
| 21:37.52 | z-force | and when i tried to install nvidia dpkg2.run officially supplied by nvidia it made some havoc even at boot time when nvidia kernel was still not loaded |
| 21:37.54 | Ergo^ | is it possible that after fresh install of lenny i cant see synaptic in administration ? |
| 21:37.54 | erik_ | i installed a sata dvd writer, instead of the old IDE one. now, it won't burn cdr or dvdr or cdrw ... I get theis from GnomeBaker: http://pastebin.com/d56d32378 Any ideas ? I get this when being root too. |
| 21:38.01 | octox2 | hal problems durning upgrade might not be good i guess? lol |
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| 21:38.45 | octox2 | invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "force-reload" failed. |
| 21:38.46 | octox2 | lol |
| 21:38.57 | action09 | hmm ? |
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| 21:39.05 | stew | Ergo^: yes, synaptic is not something that would be installed by default |
| 21:39.09 | action09 | ho no :) action, not action09 :) |
| 21:39.21 | itchi | erik_: It's seems not to support TAO |
| 21:39.26 | z-force | and stable 1.0.8776-4 version didn't support geforce 6100 series chipsets |
| 21:39.34 | z-force | *doesn't |
| 21:39.37 | z-force | ^^ |
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| 21:39.51 | itchi | I can't imagine it but, that's what there's noted :-s |
| 21:39.56 | Ergo^ | stew: well it is installed in my net install version on lnny :P |
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| 21:40.02 | erik_ | itchi: yes... but what do I do about it... I try to burn an iso image... |
| 21:40.15 | itchi | erik_: Does DAO work? |
| 21:40.18 | octox2 | Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused |
| 21:40.25 | octox2 | shoudl i be worried ? lol |
| 21:40.33 | stew | Ergo^: so it is installed, just not shwing up in the menus? |
| 21:40.36 | erik_ | GnomeBaker does not offer that option I do not see it anyways |
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| 21:41.13 | z-force | i heared about problems of gpu cooling control on some chipsets in the 1.0.9xxx version fixed in 169.09 |
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| 21:41.49 | itchi | Is it me, or there's a error on the wodim -help about dao |
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| 21:42.15 | Ergo^ | well, i used net install cd for pc im sitting now - due to bug #xxx it would not install from full install cd, on other pc i had to use "normal" testing cd1 as it had unuspported wireless card (rt61), im just curious if they had different selection of software on default install |
| 21:42.18 | PumpkinPie | is anyone wasting their life right now |
| 21:42.48 | octox2 | i am |
| 21:42.51 | PumpkinPie | Are you at home trying to get a 20 dollar device working with linux and have you been doing that for the last 5 hours? |
| 21:43.03 | PumpkinPie | thats the life.... |
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| 21:43.11 | octox2 | no, im trying to get free software workn |
| 21:43.12 | frankyboy | had anyone 100% usage no matter what DE/WM lately while moving windows around? |
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| 21:44.20 | abrotman | frankyboy: tried another video driver? |
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| 21:44.42 | frankyboy | i'm not exactly sure what triggers the 100% |
| 21:45.20 | frankyboy | i suspect it could be nvidia or xserver issue |
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| 21:47.01 | abrotman | frankyboy: right .. have you tried another video driver? |
| 21:47.01 | z-force | heh,,,, linmodemz.... i have one on my laptop -- in all of the official description it was specified as motorola sm56 with really lackin' linux support but in forums they usually tell that it's smartlink |
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| 21:47.41 | stew | Ergo^: no, they should install the same software |
| 21:47.53 | abrotman | z-force: m-a a-i sl-modem |
| 21:48.00 | abrotman | z-force: read the docs with it |
| 21:48.04 | coventry | "aptitude purge libdjvulibre15" didn't repair the damage, either. |
| 21:48.14 | frankyboy | tried nv xorg standart .. same problem |
| 21:48.15 | itchi | erik_: Did it work with dao? |
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| 21:48.42 | Ergo^ | stew: well for sure i did not manually install synapic where i sit , and on the other pc there isint one :] |
| 21:48.46 | itchi | erik_: I don't think that you may use tao to burn iso's, but i may be wrong |
| 21:49.00 | z-force | even in windoze i saw that it was shown as sm56 and official sm56 win32 drivers worked with it (win64 only vysta version) lol is that |
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| 21:49.12 | itchi | erik_: Did you install gnome on the other box? |
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| 21:49.24 | itchi | Ergo^: ^^ |
| 21:49.39 | z-force | the lol is that win supports sl internally but without drivers it wouldnt work :DDD |
| 21:49.54 | Ergo^ | how can i use apt to get a DEB package that i can move to another pc on pendrive ? i need to run a ralink wifi card and i understand the firmware-ralink package has them |
| 21:50.21 | z-force | it is sometimes called as a hybrid [w/l]inmodem |
| 21:50.31 | Ergo^ | itchi: i installed with the same settings: desktop, base system - just diffent cd-s were used |
| 21:50.33 | itchi | Ergo^: Use dpkg -i some.deb to install it |
| 21:50.54 | erik_ | itchi: i try to cdrdao the iso |
| 21:50.56 | Ergo^ | itchi: i dont want to install it i dont know how to get it from repo in deb form |
| 21:51.32 | JoeShmo | Ergo: -d (aka --download-only) |
| 21:51.57 | itchi | Ergo^: Or check /var/cache/apt/archives if you downloaded/installed it |
| 21:52.13 | z-force | where can i obtain sl-modem debian package... didn't find any at official repositoiries |
| 21:52.19 | z-force | ? |
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| 21:52.29 | z-force | *in |
| 21:52.39 | coventry | Someone in another forum suggested the use of "--force-overwrite". "apt-get install libdjvulibre21 -o DPkg::options::="--force-overwrite"" seems to have done the trick. |
| 21:53.11 | itchi | coventry: Use aptitude like someone already told you |
| 21:53.44 | z-force | and someone say that sl-modem works properly with such hybrid modems only if alsa version 1.0.13 is installed (not above and not below) |
| 21:53.51 | JoeShmo | z-force: this one? sl-modem-daemon - SmartLink software modem daemon |
| 21:54.08 | JoeShmo | found that via apt-cache search sl-modem (I'm running on testing) |
| 21:54.38 | Ergo^ | JoeShmo: is it apt-get install -d packageName ? im not sure from man how it should look |
| 21:54.41 | z-force | and a lot of manual config must be done for that |
| 21:55.07 | JoeShmo | ergo: apt-get -d packagename |
| 21:55.27 | Ergo^ | firmware-ralink |
| 21:55.37 | coventry | itchi: I thought I mentioned it, but can't see it in the transcript: I tried "aptitude purge libdjvulibre15", and libdjvulibre15 remained. How should I have used it instead? |
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| 21:55.50 | JoeShmo | z-force: its part of non-free, so you'd need to add that tag in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:55.54 | Ergo^ | apt-get -d firmware-ralink - gives me "invalid operation" thats why im asking |
| 21:56.01 | itchi | coventry: The command you used is ok |
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| 21:57.01 | itchi | coventry: Well, this problem seems to know, according to a trusted person who told that. But i didn't got/tested the problem yet |
| 21:57.05 | JoeShmo | Ergo: oh.. guess you do install -d then.. I just did it, and it downloaded it only.. |
| 21:57.21 | itchi | coventry: Did you check the bug reports about this issue? |
| 21:57.27 | z-force | i have done that... i am using official mirror at ftp.mipt.ru but it seems that there is nothn |
| 21:57.29 | tobias | I get a kernel panic when I do pvcreate or vgcreate on a completely up-to-date Debian etch system |
| 21:57.31 | tobias | any ideaS? |
| 21:57.34 | JoeShmo | Ergo: and it stuck it over in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:57.38 | Kaiten4 | How do I install debian on my USB drive without running actually "live" but an uncompressed install, with automatic configurations. |
| 21:57.43 | z-force | the traffic is too expensive for me |
| 21:57.59 | z-force | so i have to use intranet mirror |
| 21:58.00 | coventry | I did. I didn't see a workaround in them, though. (I was looking at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471650) |
| 21:58.21 | wols_ | !tell z-force about search |
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| 21:59.16 | Kaiten4 | basically I just want an uncompressed install on my flash drive but with automagic configurations |
| 21:59.59 | JoeShmo | z-force: hmm.. maybe its not on that mirror? Did you try looking for it manually on there? |
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| 22:00.50 | tobias | here's the kernel panic: http://erato.caktusgroup.com/~tobias/lvm-kernel-panic.txt |
| 22:01.07 | z-force | aaaah i have understood why |
| 22:01.17 | z-force | only i386 version :( |
| 22:01.17 | JoeShmo | I've always just installed on usb drives, just as if they were a normal HD.. dunno about auto configs tho.. |
| 22:01.23 | z-force | i am using amd64 |
| 22:01.42 | JoeShmo | ahh.. do you have the 386 compat? |
| 22:01.54 | JoeShmo | you should be able to force-architecture with dpkg. |
| 22:02.05 | z-force | it conflicts with linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
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| 22:02.47 | itchi | coventry: There seem to be a work around for this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471650#15 Did you try that? |
| 22:02.51 | JoeShmo | that sounds nasty... |
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| 22:03.15 | Shadow_mil | I keep getting this error, though I have the correct headers installed |
| 22:03.17 | Shadow_mil | Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source' |
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| 22:05.29 | coventry | itchi: no, missed that. Thanks. |
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| 22:05.45 | Absolute0 | Is there any app that can fine tune my sound cards bass and treble levels? |
| 22:05.59 | Absolute0 | A mixer of some sort possibly? |
| 22:06.25 | Absolute0 | alsamixer just has master and PCM |
| 22:06.30 | Absolute0 | and so do the others |
| 22:06.44 | Kaiten4 | Absolute0: If your programs can use JACK you can use the JACK rack, but that's a bit of configuration |
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| 22:07.02 | Absolute0 | Jack audio connection daemon? |
| 22:07.09 | Kaiten4 | Absolute0: yes |
| 22:07.14 | Absolute0 | alsa can't do it? |
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| 22:07.57 | netdaemon | how would one go about doing a fake package install? |
| 22:08.08 | netdaemon | so i want apt to think package x is installed, and it really isnt |
| 22:08.10 | Kaiten4 | Absolute0: I've never heard of any such thing |
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| 22:08.15 | stew | netdaemon: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 22:08.18 | z-force | how to set timidity++ on startup as alsa sequencer? |
| 22:08.46 | z-force | i am tired of doing it manually G____G |
| 22:08.46 | Absolute0 | netdaemon: I think you would actually create your own pkg and install it using dpkg -i |
| 22:09.02 | stew | yes, a package you create with equivs |
| 22:09.17 | Absolute0 | stew: is that some new method? |
| 22:09.22 | stew | Absolute0: no, its old |
| 22:09.35 | netdaemon | stew: thanks thats what i was looking for |
| 22:10.01 | Absolute0 | stew: Isn't the old method using m-a ? |
| 22:10.02 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 22:10.15 | Absolute0 | Or is that the ancient method? :P |
| 22:10.18 | stew | Absolute0: no, m-a is for compiling out of tree kernel modules |
| 22:10.23 | Absolute0 | oh ok |
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| 22:12.05 | z-force | heh i have found sl-modem-daemon for amd64 in lenny repository but no sl-mode-sources for module compilation |
| 22:12.08 | z-force | :( |
| 22:12.11 | damion | i upgraded from etch to lenny last night and i think i broke my xserver somehow |
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| 22:12.33 | stew | damion: tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"? |
| 22:12.47 | damion | yes |
| 22:13.04 | z-force | which vodeo driver? |
| 22:13.08 | z-force | *video |
| 22:13.10 | stew | damion: what makes you think it is broken? |
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| 22:14.19 | damion | the login window comes up fine but when i sign in i just get a teal colored screen with the mousepointer |
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| 22:14.46 | stew | damion: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 22:14.46 | z-force | damion: which video drivers are you using? |
| 22:14.59 | damion | nvidia |
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| 22:15.07 | z-force | version? |
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| 22:15.51 | damion | not sure. i downloaded it from the nvidia site. it worked perfectly under etch |
| 22:16.36 | z-force | perfectly??? and you didn't det broken console on x exit? |
| 22:16.40 | z-force | *get |
| 22:16.52 | streuner_ | !listkeys sucks |
| 22:16.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sucks' by key (15 of 20): #debian sucks ;; _default sucks ;; _default tcl sucks ;; _default why nvidia-installer sucks ;; angel sucks ;; boson sucks ;; ipchains sucks ;; java sucks ;; kde sucks and gnome ;; noatun sucks ;; nvidia-installer really sucks ;; tcl sucks ;; us sucks ;; why nvidia installer sucks ;; why nvidia-installer sucks. |
| 22:16.58 | JoeShmo | damion: did you upgrade the kernel? |
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| 22:17.03 | streuner_ | !why nivdia-installer sucks |
| 22:17.15 | damion | xsession-errors says lost connecction to display 0. it was shurt down or i killed it |
| 22:17.23 | streuner_ | !nivdia-installer really sucks |
| 22:17.32 | stew | damion: which window manager / desktop environment? |
| 22:17.37 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 22:17.55 | damion | i dont think i upgraded the kernel. i changed all my repos to lenny and did upgrade-dist |
| 22:18.01 | damion | gnome |
| 22:18.16 | Absolute0 | whats the command that runs 'which' following all the links all the way to the source? |
| 22:18.25 | damion | i can only get into a failsafe terminal |
| 22:18.37 | stew | damion: you could try moving your .gnome* directories out of way to see if its something caused by your configuration, or else try creating a new user and see if the problem happens with that new user |
| 22:18.44 | z-force | gm-gm... |
| 22:18.45 | JoeShmo | if you were running a generic kernel, a dist-upgrade would have upgraded it.. if thats the case, you'll have to reinstall the nvidia drivers.. |
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| 22:18.57 | z-force | did you see some interesting logo? |
| 22:18.58 | JoeShmo | but if you had a custom kernel, dist-upgrade wouldnt have touched it. |
| 22:19.00 | stew | Absolute0: 'readlink -f $(which foo)' |
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| 22:19.19 | damion | i get an nvidia logo before the login window comes up |
| 22:19.19 | Absolute0 | stew: thanks |
| 22:19.24 | Absolute0 | stew: take a break! :) |
| 22:19.25 | z-force | debian non-gnu/kwindows 5.01.2600 lololololol |
| 22:19.31 | damion | if i get a login window doesnt that mean gdm is running? |
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| 22:19.42 | stew | damion: yes |
| 22:19.50 | Jemt | How can I find the exact size of a partition in bytes ? |
| 22:20.06 | Ergo^ | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-ralink - can someone confirm that those are drivers for wireless card and how do i install those if so ? |
| 22:20.09 | stew | Jemt: fdisk -l |
| 22:20.10 | z-force | i am about some funny website |
| 22:20.14 | damion | oh, and when i exit the failsafe terminal it keeps restarting gnome |
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| 22:20.44 | Jemt | stew: That dosn't show bytes |
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| 22:20.48 | stew | Ergo^: that is not a driver, that is firmware that a driver would load (which is required for proper functioning) |
| 22:21.05 | Ergo^ | so i need to compile the drivers myself ? |
| 22:21.35 | z-force | i didn't get any answer about timidity |
| 22:22.03 | JoeShmo | stew: if its mounted, you can use "df -B 1" probably... |
| 22:22.05 | damion | under sessions i dont even have a gnome option |
| 22:22.17 | stew | Jemt: it shows the number of 1k blocks |
| 22:22.50 | JoeShmo | oh.. that df -B1 was for Jemt... |
| 22:22.55 | Jemt | stew: Oh, a block is 1024 KB ? |
| 22:23.10 | Jemt | JoeShmo: Thanks :) |
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| 22:23.22 | Absolute0 | I have urxvt with terminus font and sometimes the buffer crashes and i need to scroll up and down to fix it. Anyway to avoid buffer crashes? |
| 22:23.23 | Jemt | stew: KB = Bytes |
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| 22:23.29 | Jemt | stew: Typo :) |
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| 22:24.22 | zinx | Absolute0: don't use compiz? |
| 22:24.37 | damion | geez, my keyboard isnt working in the xserver reconfig |
| 22:24.43 | damion | how can i get out of gdm totally |
| 22:25.05 | Absolute0 | zinx: I am not |
| 22:25.12 | Absolute0 | fgrlx +fluxbox |
| 22:25.20 | stew | Jemt: 1024 byte blocks |
| 22:25.22 | JoeShmo | damion: ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
| 22:25.25 | Absolute0 | its probably the fglrx |
| 22:25.27 | damion | everytime i ctrl option del it keeps restarting on its own |
| 22:25.28 | Jemt | stew: Yep, thanks :) |
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| 22:25.48 | stew | damion: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 22:25.51 | damion | ah thanks joe |
| 22:25.51 | Varange | !acpi |
| 22:25.51 | dpkg | acpi is probably Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports |
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| 22:26.46 | Jemt | Is it a problem when fdisk writes: "Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary." |
| 22:26.48 | Jemt | ? |
| 22:29.01 | z-force | does vesa framebuffer support vbe core 3.0 extensions like refresh rate adjust and vbe accelerator functions? |
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| 22:29.34 | Jemt | Argh, FFS. Why can't I make this work?? I want to read the size of Partition A on Disk A and create an identical partition (size wise) on Disk B - but they get a different number of blocks. What I do is: Find size on Partition A (read number of blocks) and create a partition on Disk B with the size of: "+BlocksFromPartitionA". |
| 22:31.14 | Varange | hi, how do I use swsusp? |
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| 22:32.15 | damion | i still cant get this to work |
| 22:32.41 | enouf | Jemt: another 1k rounded option ; $ cat /proc/partitions |
| 22:33.00 | Jemt | enouf: Thanks, I will try that :) |
| 22:33.06 | enouf | Jemt: try "gpart" |
| 22:33.39 | Jemt | enouf: Same values as fdisk displays |
| 22:33.49 | Jemt | I perfer Fdisk - can't see why it shouldn't work |
| 22:33.57 | enouf | Jemt: sfdisk -d /dev/hda > partition.tables -- sfdisk /dev/hdb < partition.tables |
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| 22:34.05 | enouf | Jemt: man sfdisk |
| 22:34.36 | Jemt | enouf: That will only work if the disks are 100% identical - disks don't have the exact same number of bytes available |
| 22:34.37 | enouf | cylinder boundaries can be an issue, indeed |
| 22:34.49 | Jemt | Exactly :-/ |
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| 22:37.03 | enouf | Jemt: lshal | less .. or | grep volume.size i get8702313984 for my hdc1 |
| 22:37.12 | xsdg | Jemt: I haven't found a good partitioner that lets you set sizes in cylinders or blocks, unfortunately. You can back-calculate how many bytes you need to ask for to get a certain number of cylinders, though |
| 22:38.23 | enouf | Jemt: with sfdisk, you could atleast grab the 1st and 2nd partition's settings/boundaries, and import only those |
| 22:38.46 | enouf | Jemt: it's only a text file, ffs ;-) |
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| 22:39.50 | Jemt | enouf: "Only a text file" ? What is ? /proc/partitions ? I know :p |
| 22:40.02 | assasukasse | happy Easter to everyone |
| 22:40.24 | Jemt | enouf: How can I import just one partition without modifying /dev/sdX which contains the partition table ? |
| 22:40.30 | masus | hi all, is there something like hard format ? |
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| 22:41.42 | streuner_ | hands masus a sledgehammer |
| 22:41.52 | enouf | Jemt: i'm not following you, and i came later, so i likely missed some stuff |
| 22:42.05 | streuner_ | (to destroy _all_ data) |
| 22:42.15 | beardy | masus: Not for harddrives no, and if it is because you want to be sure noone can read it, take streuner_'s hammer, and then burn it, and dig it down. |
| 22:42.15 | masus | yes |
| 22:42.57 | masus | someone has give me one line code for years ago but i have forget it |
| 22:43.54 | Jemt | enouf: Okay - well, I have 10 USB Flash Devices which all needs to run Debian (for non-harddisk based computers). I have created one that runs Debian, now I need to dublicate it. Unfortunately it is several MBs larger than the other 9 USB Flash Devices, so I can't just do "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4096" to clone it. I'm looking for a solution to this problem - and I perfer bit-to-bit copying so I am 100% sure that everything is in the exact same state as |
| 22:43.54 | beardy | masus: Well, if you want to write zeroes to it for a few times (hammer and so on is the only way though) use dd(1), or have a look at shred, and something else which I have forgotten the name of. |
| 22:43.55 | Jemt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:45.47 | streuner_ | if you want do something against your paranoia we dont know a way, but use just usual format (mkfs.<fs>) or dd |
| 22:45.54 | masus | beardy: u are right it was somethþng like dd |
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| 22:46.01 | Jemt | enouf: The USB devices contain 2 partitions - one for root, one for data (formated as FAT32). I hoped I could just dublicate the root partition and then make the FAT32 partition take up the rest of the space - but that's not easy when I can't dublicate the SIZE of the root partition |
| 22:46.11 | enouf | fat32, ugh |
| 22:46.13 | beardy | masus: Like 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourdiskdevice', but it is a false sense of safety. |
| 22:46.30 | masus | hmm |
| 22:46.30 | Ergo^ | is there anyoine here that tried to use rt61 wireless in lenny ? im in dependency hell :( |
| 22:46.41 | streuner_ | !rt61 |
| 22:46.41 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2561 (rt61) chipsets is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/IS_Linux_STA_6x_D_1.1.1.0.tar.gz, enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz. Note that firmware is required for the enhanced driver: http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip. Also ask me about <rt2x00>. |
| 22:46.48 | enouf | Jemt: learn tar and rsync ;-) |
| 22:46.57 | Jemt | enouf: That's not bit-to-bit |
| 22:47.16 | Jemt | enouf: Might be pretty precise - but I prefer perfection |
| 22:47.16 | enouf | you have no bit to bit |
| 22:47.19 | streuner_ | Ergo^: show us the whole error and your sources.list in paste.debian.net please |
| 22:47.24 | Ergo^ | streuner_: im running from one pc to another with pendrive :( |
| 22:47.26 | Ergo^ | 1 sec |
| 22:47.26 | Jemt | enouf: dd dosn't do bit-to-bit ? |
| 22:47.34 | enouf | since they are diff sized media |
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| 22:48.00 | Ergo^ | streuner_: the other pc doesnt have any network connection.... no debhelper , no module-assistant etc. |
| 22:48.12 | Ergo^ | so repos dont work |
| 22:48.13 | streuner_ | well |
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| 22:48.56 | enouf | certain FSs also keep hidden backup info in hidden sectors at end of disk, etc - this isn't rocket science, use what works, ..or get into the internals of FS and partition structures |
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| 22:49.23 | Cripps | I have an intel x3100 graphics accelerator, and I'm using the xorg intel driver, along with the 915resolution package. I currently have my computer hooked up to svideo, and running "xrandr --output TV --mode 1024x768" yields no output, and no picture on the tv ... can somebody help me to troubleshoot this issue? |
| 22:49.36 | enouf | s/beginning + end of disk and partitions |
| 22:49.48 | Cripps | ... the only thing I've changed since the last time it worked, was using bootsplash. |
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| 22:50.10 | Ergo^ | no one assumes that someone may want to install a network adapter with no network connection at all? how do i do things like that when readme wants me to use tools that are accessible from web :( |
| 22:50.27 | Jemt | enouf: Okay, appriciate your help - thanks :) |
| 22:50.49 | enouf | a certain dd option may overcome some of that (conv=noerros, sync, fsync etc) .. but i haven't toyed with them lately, do; "info coreutils dd" |
| 22:51.38 | enouf | i knwo fat32 keeps a abckup mirror copy of it's FAT somewhere (likely near end of disk) |
| 22:52.53 | ectospasm | I'm trying to install MySQL from the debian apt repo, and I can't update the mysqladmin -u root password... I know I'm missing something, but I can't find any instructions that can tell me what... |
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| 22:53.19 | Jemt | enouf: Have you played around with partimage then ? |
| 22:53.29 | Jemt | enouf: Any idea how reliable that is for ext3 partitions ? |
| 22:54.02 | enouf | nope |
| 22:54.07 | Jemt | Okay |
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| 22:54.27 | kevind23 | abrotman: did you ever figure out a solution to my bttv problem? |
| 22:54.41 | Jemt | enouf: Guess the easiest way is to find the smallest USB device and install the system to that and then dublicate it to the larger USB disks |
| 22:54.42 | abrotman | kevind23: nope .. |
| 22:54.46 | kevind23 | :\ |
| 22:54.55 | abrotman | kevind23: like i said .. i'd ask #ati .. you said some of the remote already works |
| 22:55.08 | kevind23 | Yeah but that's not with lirc |
| 22:55.10 | enouf | Jemt: i suggest staying far away from FAT filesystems too ;-) |
| 22:55.16 | kevind23 | That's with ati_remote which I can't configure afaik |
| 22:55.35 | enouf | Jemt: that way you can use e2fsprogs to do whatever resizing , etc you might need |
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| 22:55.51 | Jemt | enouf: Well, actually the FAT32 partition is not formated when it is dublicated. I create the filesystem later during the cloning process |
| 22:56.10 | Jemt | enouf: I need the FAT partition for easy access to files using OSX/Windows |
| 22:56.24 | flyingparchment | how is debian's php5-cgi binary compiled? (configure options) - i am getting different behaviour from that one vs one i built myself |
| 22:56.29 | enouf | it's bad enough dealing with MS-DOS Disk partition tables and such, never play wih Ext'd either ;-) (when you need to alter, move, resize, etc) |
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| 22:56.49 | Jemt | enouf: I never use Extended :p |
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| 22:57.45 | enouf | Jemt: i don't know what's worse, FAT or NTFS, but those appear some of the only options . .. but whatever, that's 2 proprietary POS there |
| 22:57.53 | kevind23 | FAT is worst :P |
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| 22:59.09 | Ergo^ | streuner_: http://paste2.org/p/17004 - this is what i got after running make |
| 22:59.16 | Jemt | enouf: I agree :) |
| 22:59.40 | masus | and how to check if a hd has bad sectors ? |
| 23:00.20 | enouf | well, try smartmontools, man badblocks, be careful |
| 23:00.39 | masus | thanks |
| 23:00.46 | streuner_ | Ergo^: try another version of rt61 then |
| 23:01.02 | enouf | masus: your HDD manu also has utils |
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| 23:02.29 | masus | manu ? |
| 23:03.37 | enouf | $ lshal | grep -A 40 hda1 | grep volume.size <-- seems to grab the correct ones for me |
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| 23:03.53 | enouf | masus: Manufacturer |
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| 23:03.58 | masus | oh ok |
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| 23:05.41 | masus | thanks |
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| 23:06.30 | zmitya | hi all |
| 23:06.42 | zmitya | how can I mount a new proc fs to my jail ? |
| 23:06.50 | zmitya | proc /var/jail/apache/proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 23:06.59 | zmitya | this does not work for some reason |
| 23:07.05 | zmitya | at boot time |
| 23:07.12 | zmitya | after boot, mount -a mounts it |
| 23:07.16 | zmitya | why ? |
| 23:07.21 | enouf | new? or existing .. --bind orig |
| 23:07.34 | xsdg | zmitya: first off, try hitting <enter> less often |
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| 23:08.06 | xsdg | zmitya: procfs should be the type, I believe |
| 23:08.13 | xsdg | zmitya: no, I'm wrong |
| 23:08.22 | xsdg | zmitya: what happens when you try that? |
| 23:08.25 | enouf | how about a tmpfs ;-) |
| 23:08.35 | zmitya | it does not mount at boot time |
| 23:08.47 | zmitya | but after the boot, with mount -a mounts it |
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| 23:10.25 | xsdg | zmitya: is there an error message? |
| 23:10.28 | xsdg | and if so, what is it? |
| 23:10.31 | zmitya | nop :( |
| 23:11.07 | zmitya | I have no error msg, it just does not mount at boot time :( |
| 23:11.24 | xsdg | zmitya: well, I doubt that it fails silently. maybe check /var/log/dmesg? |
| 23:11.35 | zmitya | I have checked it |
| 23:11.38 | zmitya | nothing :( |
| 23:11.47 | zmitya | don't understand :( |
| 23:11.52 | enouf | hrm, what's linprocfs? ;-) (lintian related?) |
| 23:12.37 | xsdg | enouf: context? |
| 23:12.42 | enouf | $ rgrep -l proc /etc/init.d/ <-- a lot to look through -- $ rgrep -l procfs /etc/init.d/ much less :-P |
| 23:13.01 | enouf | xsdg: $ rgrep procfs /etc/init.d/ |
| 23:13.05 | enouf | /etc/init.d/umountnfs.sh: proc|procfs|linprocfs|devfs|devpts|usbfs|usbdevfs|sysfs) |
| 23:13.26 | zmitya | hmm, I don;t know what is linprocfs :) |
| 23:13.36 | xsdg | enouf: I'd imagine some old name for proc to retain backward-compatibility |
| 23:13.38 | enouf | it's not mentioned in man mount |
| 23:13.53 | Ergo^ | streuner_: ok, i managed to compile and install another driver, it compiled and installed ok, network-manager shows the networks in the house so the adapter is working, but when i click the network i have the blinking dots about connection but it doesnt connect, dpkg doesnt have any clue, maybe someone here has ? |
| 23:14.25 | zmitya | so that would be a weird think if I would need a custom script to mount a simple proc during the boot :( |
| 23:14.26 | coventry | Does debian ever look in /lib/modules/2.6-<old linux version> after <old linux version> has been superseded? |
| 23:14.32 | xsdg | enouf: and? |
| 23:14.38 | Jemt | enouf: Just one more question regarding cloning of the USB device. Would you say that dd'ing a partition could solve the problem if the source partition is ie 1.5GB, and I make sure the destination is just a little bigger - ie 5 MB more? |
| 23:14.39 | enouf | zmitya: have you tried moving your line to way bottom of /etc/fstab? |
| 23:14.40 | Monkey_arma | zmitya show us your /etc/fstab please |
| 23:14.43 | enouf | zmitya: or top? |
| 23:14.48 | zmitya | enouf: not yet |
| 23:14.49 | xsdg | coventry: linux only ever looks at /lib/modules/(your currently running kernel version)/ |
| 23:15.05 | Jemt | enouf: If, will the remaining 5 MB be unavailable ? |
| 23:15.06 | coventry | xsdg: thanks |
| 23:15.12 | xsdg | coventry: np |
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| 23:15.31 | enouf | Jemt: not really |
| 23:15.39 | zmitya | trying it, but it is midnight here and this stupid server really loud during the boot, it will wakes my baby up :) |
| 23:15.43 | enouf | Jemt: to your 1st recent question |
| 23:15.51 | zmitya | but I'm trying this |
| 23:16.03 | enouf | Jemt: yes, without partition and then FS manipulation |
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| 23:16.14 | enouf | Jemt: to your 2nd recent question |
| 23:16.25 | streuner_ | Ergo^: read the README in Module of the package (driver) |
| 23:16.58 | Jemt | enouf: Why wouldn't it solve the problem? Would it mess up the partition when it's not the same size ? |
| 23:17.06 | enouf | Jemt: but, tar, rsync, are the methods to use, IMO (and perhaps even cp, but stay away from that for now) |
| 23:17.27 | Jemt | enouf: Okay |
| 23:18.32 | streuner_ | Ergo^: its not opensource, not in Debian, it uses its own ways to configure... |
| 23:18.51 | ectospasm | Anybody have any experience with MySQL on debian? I'm getting this: mysqladmin -u root -h localhost password 'password' |
| 23:18.51 | ectospasm | mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 23:18.51 | ectospasm | error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
| 23:19.22 | abrotman | !i forgot mysql root password |
| 23:19.24 | enouf | coventry: depending on how you roll and install your kernel you could have issues (missing system.map from /boot) and might need depmod if you goof |
| 23:19.28 | abrotman | oh comeon |
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| 23:19.43 | abrotman | !forgot mysql root password |
| 23:19.43 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
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| 23:19.49 | enouf | abrotman: too much typing :-P |
| 23:19.54 | abrotman | !fmrp |
| 23:19.56 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:20.01 | enouf | heh ;-) |
| 23:20.04 | xsdg | :o) |
| 23:20.05 | enouf | symlink! ++ |
| 23:20.29 | enouf | (no idea how to do that with dpkg) |
| 23:20.54 | xsdg | enouf: this would be the perfect time for a joke about update-alternatives :o) |
| 23:21.10 | enouf | oh dear .. :-P |
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| 23:21.50 | zmitya | enouf: it works, when it is at the bottom of fstab !!! |
| 23:21.57 | enouf | :-P |
| 23:22.05 | zmitya | don't knot why, but thx :) |
| 23:22.21 | enouf | i know the orig, 1st should be at top ;-) |
| 23:22.27 | xsdg | zmitya: mount was probably trying to mount it before something higher (like /var) was mounted |
| 23:22.39 | dmilith | erhm.. hi |
| 23:22.42 | zmitya | hmm :D |
| 23:22.46 | enouf | so, figured allow that one to get all setup .. init.d scripts order likely |
| 23:22.52 | dmilith | only wanted to ask.. about postgresql 8.3 in sid |
| 23:22.55 | zmitya | xsdg: you are right :D |
| 23:22.59 | dmilith | does anybody use that? |
| 23:23.00 | zmitya | f*ck :) |
| 23:23.11 | zmitya | i'm so stupid.. :) |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | dmilith: ask a better question |
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| 23:25.10 | dmilith | abrotman: when postgres is starting. it throws error.. with SHMAX something.. and just fail to start. then i need to manualy run /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 restart and then it just works well |
| 23:25.20 | dmilith | this problem occurs only on boot |
| 23:25.27 | xsdg | dmilith: what is the error message? |
| 23:25.35 | abrotman | probably to increase the shmax value |
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| 23:25.44 | dmilith | something that SHMAX is too small.. |
| 23:25.53 | dmilith | abrotman: yea.. but how? |
| 23:25.58 | dmilith | in kernel config? |
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| 23:26.07 | abrotman | /etc/sysctl.conf IIRC |
| 23:26.14 | dmilith | aah.. |
| 23:26.28 | dmilith | i'll check.. thanks.. didn't know where to look for it |
| 23:26.48 | enouf | try /usr/share/doc ;-) |
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| 23:27.53 | dmilith | ok.. next one |
| 23:27.55 | dmilith | [(00:27:10)-root@drak (home)]# deluser darkjames --remove-home |
| 23:27.55 | dmilith | Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at /usr/sbin/deluser line 228. |
| 23:27.56 | dmilith | WARNING: You are just about to delete the root account (uid 0) |
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| 23:28.06 | dmilith | damn.. 4 lines ;f |
| 23:28.10 | dmilith | wtf? |
| 23:28.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:28.19 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:28.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:28.23 | damion | does it take a long time for a new dependency tree to be built after upgrading from etch to lenny? im trying to do a software update and my cpu has been locked at %100 for a few minutes now |
| 23:28.28 | dmilith | geez ok |
| 23:28.58 | dmilith | so? |
| 23:28.59 | streuner_ | damion: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 23:29.08 | dmilith | why i can't do deluser user |
| 23:29.09 | dmilith | ? |
| 23:29.09 | dmilith | ;f |
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| 23:29.25 | dmilith | i have sid.. amd64 |
| 23:29.31 | ectospasm | abrotman: thanks, that worked for me! |
| 23:29.33 | dmilith | strange |
| 23:30.56 | enouf | postgresql-doc-8.1 |
| 23:31.36 | dmilith | abrotman: nothing like this in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 23:31.52 | xsdg | dmilith: reverse the order of arguments? |
| 23:32.02 | enouf | whoops, wrong version earlier http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=postgresql-doc-8.3&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 23:32.02 | xsdg | (it looks like the username should be last) |
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| 23:32.38 | dmilith | xsdg: um.. in deluser? i tried even deluser without arguments.. |
| 23:32.53 | dmilith | and it still tries to remove root user ;f |
| 23:32.55 | petemc | soon see |
| 23:33.04 | petemc | erm, ignore that |
| 23:33.42 | abrotman | wonders who ectospasm is |
| 23:33.46 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 23:33.53 | abrotman | dmilith: you likely have to create the entry |
| 23:33.56 | xsdg | dmilith: dunno |
| 23:34.00 | abrotman | dmilith: read the documentation |
| 23:34.14 | xsdg | dmilith: maybe try userdel instead? |
| 23:34.23 | xsdg | dmilith: (I have no idea what the difference is) |
| 23:34.24 | dmilith | w8 |
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| 23:34.52 | simonrvn | w7 |
| 23:34.57 | dmilith | http://pastebin.com/m3e4c8bee |
| 23:35.13 | dmilith | strange.. it shows that warning.. and then do just what i wanted to do |
| 23:35.31 | streuner_ | simonrvn: surely wait, but what w7 means? |
| 23:35.36 | xsdg | simonrvn: :o) |
| 23:35.47 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 23:35.54 | zinx | simonrvn: n2 |
| 23:36.00 | damion | streuner_: i dont understand |
| 23:36.07 | enouf | erm SHMMAX gets a lot more hits than SHMAX :-p |
| 23:36.09 | dmilith | xsdg: userdel works just fine.. but i got used to deluser ;} |
| 23:36.15 | simonrvn | just as silly as w8 ;p |
| 23:36.18 | enouf | maybe it's /dev/shm related? |
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| 23:36.49 | streuner_ | damion: read sid faq now and run "ps aux" |
| 23:37.01 | enouf | yep ;-) http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/static/kernel-resources.html |
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| 23:37.21 | streuner_ | damion: if it stops with a preinstal script, just kill it and fix it :-) |
| 23:37.31 | simonrvn | oh thanks for reminding me |
| 23:38.18 | damion | looks like /usr/bin/python is using 99.2% cpu |
| 23:38.46 | abrotman | a programming language that starts with a "p" is always to blame :) |
| 23:39.05 | xsdg | slips ruby $5 under the table |
| 23:39.11 | netdaemon | perl ;)? |
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| 23:40.15 | damion | should i just kill python or does the update manager use it? |
| 23:40.23 | abrotman | it uses iot |
| 23:40.29 | rue_linshop | where the bejeeves does debian get its PATH from, I'v modified /etc/profile and login.defs and I'm still not getting the right path for my users |
| 23:40.32 | Ergo^ | streuner_: i managed to get the network working , thank you for hints.. reading readme actually helped this time :P |
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| 23:40.56 | streuner_ | reading helps always :-P |
| 23:40.57 | xsdg | rue_linshop: check /etc/skel? |
| 23:41.20 | rue_linshop | hmm, I'v modified everything in /etc that has th word PATH |
| 23:42.04 | rue_linshop | nope it just prepends bin |
| 23:42.21 | enouf | try /etc/pam.d/ ..or it's being overriden by $USER path in .bashrc or whatever |
| 23:42.25 | rue_linshop | this is crazy, how many unused files can there be that define PATH? |
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| 23:42.33 | rue_linshop | k |
| 23:42.34 | damion | so is this normal behavior then? |
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| 23:42.44 | damion | its been 18 minutes already |
| 23:42.46 | streuner_ | !congratulate Ergo^ |
| 23:42.46 | dpkg | Yay Ergo^, you did it! |
| 23:42.55 | xsdg | rue_linshop: well, I presume the default path comes from PAM somehow |
| 23:43.09 | xsdg | rue_linshop: but I wouldn't expect that to include much more than /bin and /usr/bin |
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| 23:44.25 | enouf | oh, and /etc/default/useradd can contain defaults for new users , though likely not set there, unless someone toyed with it |
| 23:44.54 | rue_linshop | ok, none of the ~/.* files break PATH |
| 23:45.11 | enouf | get specific |
| 23:45.15 | rue_linshop | PATH nor USER seem to be culprits in /etc |
| 23:45.20 | damion | anyone? |
| 23:45.22 | enouf | some $JAVA_HOME crap? |
| 23:45.36 | rue_linshop | ok, I need all users to also have :/usr/local/AVR/bin in their path |
| 23:45.39 | JoeShmo | anyone happen to know the x86 compatability package for amd64 systems? I cant seem to find it searching for x86... |
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| 23:45.57 | enouf | well, usermod, and for new ones, see /etc/default/useradd |
| 23:46.06 | rue_linshop | I'v added it to /etc/profile and /etc/login.def and rebooted and its not happening yet |
| 23:46.14 | JoeShmo | ahh.. searching for i386, maybe its ia32-libs... |
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| 23:47.15 | rue_linshop | what I dont get is that the path being issued dosn't exist anywhere now |
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| 23:49.49 | rue_linshop | ok, any more ideas? |
| 23:50.08 | enouf | mine's in login.def and /etc/profile ;-) |
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| 23:51.03 | rue_linshop | I bet if you change it, swap an order or something, relogin, nothing happens to the path order |
| 23:51.20 | enouf | why the /etc/profle one is quoted? no idea ;-) but for my user, i use ~/.bashrc and export PATH="$PATH:/whatever" |
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| 23:51.41 | esaym | what command is good for showing only the difference between 2 text files? |
| 23:51.47 | rue_linshop | diff |
| 23:51.54 | rue_linshop | -Y |
| 23:52.07 | enouf | comm and cmp too |
| 23:52.40 | esaym | diff -Y? |
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| 23:53.09 | octox2 | does anyone know when the next stable release whill be ? |
| 23:53.09 | rue_linshop | man diff will tell you more |
| 23:54.12 | enouf | octox2: hopefully late in the year |
| 23:54.13 | streuner_ | !lenny bet |
| 23:54.13 | dpkg | to add a bet to the lenny pool, /msg dpkg lenny pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when lenny pool 1 is filled create lenny pool 2 and update this factoid. |
| 23:54.22 | enouf | octox2: /msg dpkg wir |
| 23:55.30 | rue_linshop | you could try it and wonder with me |
| 23:56.02 | rue_linshop | I'll hack it, tell the users they need to set their path every time till I get the profiles updated |
| 23:56.12 | rue_linshop | funny that /etc/profile does nothing |
| 23:56.40 | enouf | well, maybe some auth is involved, albeit pam, or ldap ,or ACL or whatever |
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| 23:57.10 | enouf | rgrep '{PATH*' /etc/init.d/ now that's interesting ;-) |
| 23:57.34 | damion | am i missing something or are sid and lenny different? |
| 23:57.43 | enouf | !releases |
| 23:57.43 | dpkg | hmm... releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 23:58.24 | damion | the reason i bring it up is because i brought up an issue im having with lenny and someone referred me to the sid faq |
| 23:58.35 | damion | which was of no help |
