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| 00:04.57 | _Chaos_14_ | do anyone know how to extract or modify linux live cd contents ? |
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| 00:06.57 | damion | so is the consensus here that software update doesnt work under lenny? |
| 00:07.12 | zinx | huh? |
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| 00:07.58 | Monkey_arma | software update? |
| 00:08.11 | damion | yes |
| 00:08.29 | damion | er, update manager |
| 00:08.42 | esaym | what is the difference between amd54 and ia64 kernels? |
| 00:08.44 | Monkey_arma | you mean aptitude or apt-get or synaptic...etc? |
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| 00:09.03 | damion | update manager, for doing system updates |
| 00:09.13 | esaym | err 64 |
| 00:09.14 | Monkey_arma | is that not aptitude? |
| 00:09.32 | Monkey_arma | i use aptitude for system updates...i thought everyone else did too |
| 00:09.42 | Monkey_arma | ah you mean like a scheduler or some thing |
| 00:09.59 | damion | its in system-administraion-update manager |
| 00:10.10 | damion | in the gnome drop down menus |
| 00:10.12 | esaym | oh ia54 = Intel Itanium |
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| 00:19.16 | peleg | one fast question, before I go to sleep: if I set an alarm using a cronjob, that should try to operate mplayer with a playlist, will it work if my laptop will be on "suspend"? and will it work if I will just let the regular screensaver->screen lock work? (I am using gnome). what do you think? |
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| 00:19.55 | petemc | peleg: suspend - no, screensaver - yes |
| 00:20.26 | peleg | petemc: thanks! is it possible that my laptop is set to suspend itself automatically after a long time of idle? |
| 00:20.44 | petemc | anything is possible |
| 00:20.47 | peleg | :-) |
| 00:20.50 | xsdg | petemc: yes, but you have to set it in the BIOS |
| 00:20.55 | xsdg | peleg: ^^^ |
| 00:21.04 | petemc | im not sure how to test for inactivity |
| 00:21.21 | xsdg | peleg: sorry; I misread your question |
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| 00:21.33 | peleg | ok ;-) |
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| 00:21.43 | peleg | so - I'll give it a chance, and let you know in the morning. |
| 00:21.44 | xsdg | peleg: sure. I think you can configure xscreensaver to suspend your machine (though I'm not positive) |
| 00:21.45 | peleg | thanks! |
| 00:21.49 | xsdg | peleg: good luck |
| 00:21.52 | peleg | :-) |
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| 00:22.45 | Monkey_arma | ah i dont use gnome damion... |
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| 00:26.49 | Jemt | Greetz. A friend and I is talking about package sniffing. We both agree that it should be easier on a HUB than on a switch, as the HUB just sends its data to all computers, while a switch only sens the data to the real destination - but how does Ethereal/Wireshark work? Does it only work on HUBS ? Or between two networks where it acts like a router ? |
| 00:27.13 | damion | thanks monkey |
| 00:27.26 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: packets aren't guarnateed to only end up at their destination |
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| 00:27.38 | dondelelcaro | (and there are a lot of broadcast packets anyway) |
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| 00:28.07 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: I know. Guess you could also spoof the MAC and IP - but I don't think that's what Wireshark does |
| 00:28.41 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: wireshark doesn't do anything; it just shows the packets that hit the interface. |
| 00:28.49 | JoeShmo | jemt: typically, you setup port mirroring on the switch... |
| 00:29.31 | Jemt | JoeShmo: Yes, but that requires administration privileges on the switch. I have seen people grapping MSN passwords on a school using WireShark |
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| 00:29.37 | JoeShmo | you designate a port for the sniffer to listen on, then mirror traffic for whatever port(s) you want to watch over to that port. |
| 00:29.42 | itchi | How can i check if some program has been compiled with some stuff. I worried if vsftpd has been compiled with ssl support |
| 00:30.23 | JoeShmo | jemt: some schools use hubs (oddly enough), or wireless acts like a hub... |
| 00:30.48 | Jemt | JoeShmo: Now you mention it, yes - it was using WiFi |
| 00:30.49 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: it's not all that unusual for packets on congested networks not to go only to their destination |
| 00:31.34 | itchi | All i see is that vsftp depend on libssl, so, should i guess that it is compiled with ssl support? Is that teh way to think? |
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| 00:31.45 | Jemt | Okay, thanks, guys :) |
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| 00:34.08 | itchi | I get some problems, want to set ssl support and not force the clients to use a ssl cleint. So i defined the different force_*_data_*_ssl=NO and enabled ssl, but now i can't connect with a client using plain ftp :-) |
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| 00:35.19 | xand | !gcc-4.1-doc |
| 00:35.23 | itchi | Are the debian's ftp servers still using vsftpd? |
| 00:35.29 | xand | !gcc docs |
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| 00:37.42 | Shadow_mil | what do I need to install to create: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source ? |
| 00:37.54 | esaym | what will happen if if install kernel linux-image-amd64 when my current kernel is linux-image-686. I see there is an i386 version of amd64: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 00:38.14 | esaym | I am confused, |
| 00:38.18 | Shadow_mil | I already installed linux-source-2.6.18-686, but it didn't resolve my problem |
| 00:38.37 | esaym | cpu = amd64 |
| 00:39.21 | asg | Shadow_mil: the best way to get all the right bits is to install module-assistant and run 'm-a prepare' |
| 00:39.22 | martianixor | Shadow_mil: I'm not sure of your problem, but I guess it might be that you need the headers? |
| 00:39.38 | itchi | Bah, got my answer in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/README.Debian. But i'm still interesting in my question :-p |
| 00:39.46 | Shadow_mil | martianixor, I have the headers |
| 00:40.01 | itchi | Didn't not yet got the whole round of vsftpd docs :-s |
| 00:40.05 | martianixor | Shadow_mil: nm then |
| 00:40.06 | damion | can i please get some help figuring out whats wrong with the update manager |
| 00:40.08 | damion | ? |
| 00:40.12 | Shadow_mil | I am trying to compile the intel wireless driver, and it gives me this error: |
| 00:40.28 | Shadow_mil | Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source' |
| 00:40.28 | Shadow_mil | make: *** [compatible/kversion] Error 1 |
| 00:41.03 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Which module exactly? |
| 00:41.30 | Shadow_mil | itchi, iwlwifi |
| 00:42.16 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Which kernel do you got. iwlwifi is kinda new |
| 00:42.20 | itchi | !iwlwifi |
| 00:42.20 | dpkg | i guess iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree> |
| 00:42.33 | Shadow_mil | itchi, 2.6.18-6 |
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| 00:43.22 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Well, i should first try it out of myself before i can give support of it :-p |
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| 00:43.48 | Shadow_mil | asg, module-assistant prepare did not help |
| 00:43.57 | Shadow_mil | itchi, 2.6.23 is not stable is it? |
| 00:43.58 | dan2 | asg: what's up dude |
| 00:44.31 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Not according to debian |
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| 00:45.23 | Shadow_mil | I dunno, do I need to link to /lib/modulars/2.6.18-6-686/source? |
| 00:45.36 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Which ship is it in fact? |
| 00:45.52 | Shadow_mil | itchi, ? |
| 00:45.59 | Shadow_mil | itchi, which ship? |
| 00:46.00 | itchi | Shadow_mil: ipw3945? |
| 00:46.29 | martianixor | itchi: and how do you know the ship? |
| 00:46.41 | itchi | martianixor: lspci |
| 00:47.04 | Shadow_mil | 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 00:47.10 | itchi | My laptop has the 3945 and i'm still using the ipw3945 module for this |
| 00:47.10 | benjamin | how do i use apt-get to download .debs but to not install, where are debs stored? move to debian live image file to solve deps. |
| 00:47.20 | benjamin | apt-get -d ? |
| 00:47.21 | itchi | works fine btw, wep, wpa |
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| 00:47.50 | Shadow_mil | itchi, how can I install ipw3945? |
| 00:48.02 | itchi | benjamin: Check the apt-get -d and look at /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 00:48.15 | martianixor | benjamin: looks like -d yes |
| 00:48.21 | itchi | Shadow_mil: like asg told, with m-a |
| 00:48.37 | Shadow_mil | itchi, is the package ipw3945-modules-2.6-686? |
| 00:48.45 | itchi | Shadow_mil: yes |
| 00:48.58 | benjamin | itchi: thx |
| 00:49.00 | Shadow_mil | itchi, ok Ill try it |
| 00:49.14 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Well, take these that match you installed kernel, there's different packages for each kernel |
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| 00:51.03 | XxX_ALADIN_XxX | se estivir algum brasileiro ai me adiciona :) |
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| 00:51.12 | martianixor | itchi: has been a while :D |
| 00:51.28 | itchi | martianixor: Yeah, i spammed you but no luck |
| 00:51.41 | itchi | martianixor: Is your lovely mail client dead? |
| 00:52.03 | martianixor | itchi: spammed me? |
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| 00:52.12 | Shadow_mil | itchi, ok according to lsmod ipw3945 is loaded in the kernel |
| 00:52.32 | itchi | Shadow_mil: You need the wireless-tools now, and start the fun |
| 00:52.44 | itchi | martianixor: I send diff mails but no anwser |
| 00:53.09 | martianixor | itchi: pm? |
| 00:53.29 | itchi | martianixor: Well, shortly yes, gona leave soon 01:53 right now |
| 00:54.26 | Shadow_mil | itchi, iwconfig says all my network devices has "no wireless extensions." |
| 00:55.01 | XxX_ALADIN_XxX | jjgygyftr556ecgdcrd |
| 00:55.10 | XxX_ALADIN_XxX | pega no meu pau |
| 00:55.18 | XxX_ALADIN_XxX | sueu bostas |
| 00:56.45 | XxX_ALADIN_XxX | chupa meu pau |
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| 00:57.49 | simonrvn | ooook.. that was pointless |
| 00:59.24 | Shadow_mil | itchi, will I need to reboot or something? |
| 01:00.05 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 01:00.06 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 01:01.41 | Shadow_mil | simonrvn, well then, why does my wireless adapter still not work? |
| 01:02.19 | simonrvn | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 01:02.44 | simonrvn | additionally, i don't do wireless |
| 01:02.47 | fr33k | !qotd2 |
| 01:02.47 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 01:03.01 | benjamin | does anyone know how to make a grub cd for booting a usb drive |
| 01:03.16 | JoeShmo | anyone know how much of an improvement there is for debian running as amd64 as opposed to just installing i386 on an amd64 machine? |
| 01:03.17 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 01:03.17 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 01:04.18 | JoeShmo | I think I'm about ready to give up trying to get a webbrowser (any) to support java if the OS is based on amd64. |
| 01:05.15 | JoeShmo | even using the x86 libs and such, I still cant get the whole x86 dependency tree for webbrowsers to work. |
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| 01:05.35 | XxX_ALADIN_XxX | rere |
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| 01:06.20 | LimCore | JoeShmo: run 32bit firefox |
| 01:06.29 | LimCore | JoeShmo: oh |
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| 01:06.40 | LimCore | my bank forces me to use java |
| 01:06.43 | LimCore | I think I will ditch it |
| 01:07.38 | benjamin | i am creating a simple app, how can i tell battery life? aptm acpi or something? |
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| 01:08.29 | petemc | benjamin: you can get values from /proc/ |
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| 01:09.36 | fr33k | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.36 | fr33k | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.22 | benjamin | will BAT0 be there from system to system? |
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| 01:11.57 | Gnu_Raiz | you can also use the -tfb options if you want. |
| 01:12.05 | Gnu_Raiz | acpi -tfb |
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| 01:13.00 | Shadow_mil2 | simonrvn, that still didn't work I think. |
| 01:13.16 | benjamin | Gnu_Raiz: thx |
| 01:13.32 | simonrvn | .:21:02:44:. < simonrvn> additionally, i don't do wireless |
| 01:14.09 | Shadow_mil2 | simonrvn, wait, I think it might had worked |
| 01:14.11 | benjamin | is there a .dmg equivalent for linux/debian? something like a compressed .img that is mounted as a loop device? |
| 01:14.22 | Shadow_mil2 | Nope... |
| 01:14.39 | simonrvn | benjamin: it's called a tarball |
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| 01:14.50 | simonrvn | !tar |
| 01:14.50 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
| 01:15.05 | Shadow_mil2 | simonrvn, its seeind the wireless device as eth0 I think. Could it be confused on what type of network it is? |
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| 01:15.36 | simonrvn | Shadow_mil2: what's the problem specifically? |
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| 01:16.03 | Shadow_mil2 | simonrvn, its not able to scan or connect to networks |
| 01:16.06 | simonrvn | some drivers use ath0 for some dumb reason, as their interface |
| 01:16.32 | simonrvn | i don't eve know what factoids to give you ;) |
| 01:16.35 | simonrvn | even* |
| 01:16.51 | Shadow_mil2 | itchi, any debugging advice? |
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| 01:17.00 | JoeShmo | shadow.. I think theres some options in iwconfig for scanning... |
| 01:17.08 | petemc | iwlist |
| 01:17.13 | benjamin | haha funny, a tarball is not mounted as a device/volume is it though so you can't exactly point an application that requires a volume to a tarball(backup programs), can you? |
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| 01:17.39 | Shadow_mil2 | eth1 no wireless extensions. |
| 01:17.39 | Shadow_mil2 | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 01:17.39 | Shadow_mil2 | sit0 no wireless extensions. |
| 01:17.57 | Shadow_mil2 | JoeShmo, iwconfig is going to do no good head I believe |
| 01:17.57 | JoeShmo | actually, I think there is a way to mount a tgz... it'll be read only tho |
| 01:18.00 | petemc | benjamin: there is no direct comparison to a .dmg, you can mount iso files |
| 01:18.07 | simonrvn | !wayttd benjamin |
| 01:18.07 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, benjamin? |
| 01:18.22 | liable | Shadow_mil2: you have two ethernet cards and a wireless one? |
| 01:18.23 | itchi | Shadow_mil2: What's the output of lspci? |
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| 01:18.37 | Shadow_mil2 | one sec. |
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| 01:19.55 | simonrvn | mc can read inside tarballs, but it is r/o; you can cp stuff from them |
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| 01:20.00 | Shadow_mil2 | itchi, http://pastebin.ca/raw/953398 |
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| 01:20.48 | itchi | Shadow_mil2: Module is been loaded? Can you pastebin the output of lsmod, the line about ipw3945? |
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| 01:21.04 | mehran | Hi |
| 01:21.13 | ralf__ | Hi, someone here with debian/amd64 and can tell me please all links in /? i've delete them :-( |
| 01:21.14 | itchi | Shadow_mil: BTW, which laptop is this? |
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| 01:22.05 | mehran | i used the shred command to my slave hdd |
| 01:22.12 | mehran | it gone to about 4G |
| 01:22.20 | Shadow_mil | itchi, its a ?HP D6000 or something, I forget lsmod output > http://pastebin.ca/953401 |
| 01:22.26 | mehran | than i realise that it's deleting everything |
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| 01:22.38 | mehran | than i use the Ctrl+c |
| 01:23.04 | mehran | to stop the proccessing |
| 01:23.20 | itchi | Shadow_mil: The ipw3945 seems not to be used, see the "0" and "used by" |
| 01:23.28 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Did you got the firmware? |
| 01:23.34 | liable | is the daemon running? |
| 01:23.44 | liable | check dmesg for when the module was loaded |
| 01:23.48 | Shadow_mil | itchi, firmware? No /me looks left and right |
| 01:24.03 | tuxan | Shadow_mil: I had no wireless extensions until I built ipw3945 from sourceforge and rebooted so ipw3945d got a clue |
| 01:24.09 | iateadonut | mehran, what's your question? |
| 01:24.09 | Shadow_mil | itchi, I should not need to update firmware should I? |
| 01:24.17 | mehran | well |
| 01:24.19 | mehran | by mistake |
| 01:24.32 | mehran | i use the shred command |
| 01:24.40 | mehran | and it was compleate to 4G |
| 01:24.51 | iateadonut | that's too bad. |
| 01:24.59 | mehran | than i relised that i'm doing wrong |
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| 01:25.14 | itchi | tuxan: There's no need of this |
| 01:25.18 | mehran | and stop the processing by ctrl+c |
| 01:25.27 | mehran | any idea how to recover my data ? |
| 01:25.38 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Do a search on ipw3945 on your box with apt-get cache |
| 01:25.51 | iateadonut | no. the point of shred is to make it very hard to recover your data. |
| 01:26.01 | iateadonut | but, you could start with foremost. |
| 01:26.05 | iateadonut | sleuthkit |
| 01:26.06 | tuxan | itchi: deb didn't work on my hp |
| 01:26.06 | iateadonut | autopsy |
| 01:26.07 | petemc | s/hard/impossible/ |
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| 01:26.27 | iateadonut | petemc is right. it's rpobably a lost cause. |
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| 01:27.00 | localadmin | what's the best way to get/install the nvidia drivers for my 8800GTS in Debian? |
| 01:27.11 | localadmin | is there a .deb or do I use the .run? |
| 01:27.12 | mehran | whats the foremost |
| 01:27.16 | Shadow_mil | itchi, apt-get cache is a invlid operation |
| 01:27.19 | iateadonut | apt-get install foremost |
| 01:27.28 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Well, do you know how to use it? :-p |
| 01:27.33 | simonrvn | apt-cache |
| 01:27.49 | iateadonut | if foremost can't find your files then nothing will, so you can try that first. |
| 01:27.55 | mehran | thnx guys |
| 01:27.58 | iateadonut | but, you're pretty much out of luck. |
| 01:27.59 | itchi | dah, sad autocompletion :-p |
| 01:28.04 | mehran | hope it will help me |
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| 01:28.09 | mehran | i lost almost 120G data |
| 01:28.13 | iateadonut | out of curiosity, how could you "accidentally" use shred. |
| 01:28.15 | iateadonut | ? |
| 01:28.19 | petemc | mehran: you can consider this a valuable lesson in the power of the tools available to you with a linux system |
| 01:28.34 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Look to all these packages concerning the ipw3945 |
| 01:28.44 | mehran | well |
| 01:28.48 | localadmin | mehran, that;s nothing, lost 2 full 500gb drives to a sata controller crash |
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| 01:28.54 | localadmin | :P |
| 01:28.55 | mehran | accident happened sometimes |
| 01:29.03 | Shadow_mil | itchi, http://pastebin.ca/raw/953412 |
| 01:30.05 | mehran | well i'm try foremost |
| 01:30.09 | mehran | hope works |
| 01:30.13 | petemc | dont bother |
| 01:30.22 | simonrvn | that's why iff you get these large HDDs, you get dupes (for backups ;) |
| 01:30.26 | simonrvn | if* |
| 01:30.36 | mehran | but |
| 01:30.43 | voltagex | next project is an 8tb NAS simonrvn |
| 01:30.48 | mehran | shred just proccess only 4G |
| 01:30.56 | mehran | how possible all the drive gone |
| 01:30.57 | mehran | ? |
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| 01:31.02 | simonrvn | voltagex: :) |
| 01:31.02 | petemc | oh |
| 01:31.18 | voltagex | simonrvn: actually, could I ask in here about that? |
| 01:31.25 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Wheres that firmware-ipw3945 ? |
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| 01:31.30 | simonrvn | i suppose |
| 01:31.44 | voltagex | want to know motherboard and case choices |
| 01:31.48 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Which release do you run? |
| 01:31.54 | simonrvn | don't ask me thoughh, i'm still using 9 gb drives ;) |
| 01:31.59 | voltagex | none of the cases I'm looking at hold enough drives :P |
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| 01:32.07 | simonrvn | ((and a coupld of 18) |
| 01:32.13 | voltagex | heh |
| 01:32.21 | simonrvn | crap, i gotta fixx my key repeat... |
| 01:32.31 | voltagex | still have a Quantum Fireball around here somewhere :P |
| 01:32.36 | itchi | simonrvn: 10x9GB RAID0 ? :-p |
| 01:32.37 | Shadow_mil | itchi, etch |
| 01:32.45 | simonrvn | i'm still using one ;) |
| 01:32.49 | petemc | mehran: i use ontrack for file recovery |
| 01:33.03 | voltagex | hasn't blown up yet simonrvn ? they're famous for dying young |
| 01:33.15 | mehran | well the interesting thing is why i didn't get any warning msg before shred start processing!!!!!!!! |
| 01:33.18 | simonrvn | voltagex: that sort of thing you have external drives cases, no? |
| 01:33.27 | mehran | ontrack isn't it windows software? |
| 01:33.38 | petemc | aye |
| 01:33.39 | voltagex | simonrvn: esata would be the only thing that would be fast enough to RAID |
| 01:33.40 | Shadow_mil | itchi, E: Couldn't find package firmware-ipw3945 |
| 01:33.53 | petemc | mehran: dont complain that a tool did its job |
| 01:34.01 | voltagex | simonrvn: thinking of RAID5+1 or RAID5+0 |
| 01:34.16 | simonrvn | voltagex: no, it's dead actually. i was thinking something (the fireball) |
| 01:34.23 | simonrvn | something else |
| 01:34.33 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Add non-free to the /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:34.53 | mehran | well normally when any tools like this going to delete the hdd or ETC will give u some warning |
| 01:34.56 | voltagex | what package has that perl script that grabs dvb firmware? |
| 01:34.59 | simonrvn | mehran: next time, read the manual more carefully, and pay attention to what you're doing ;) |
| 01:35.06 | simonrvn | mehran: not really no |
| 01:35.09 | voltagex | setting up a dual tuner htpc at the moment |
| 01:35.16 | itchi | Shadow_mil: then aptitude update or whatever old tool you may use. Then search again all packages about ipw3945 |
| 01:35.19 | voltagex | one of my cards needs firmware it seems |
| 01:36.39 | itchi | Shadow_mil: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-ipw3945&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 01:37.58 | itchi | Btw, does that mean we can setup ipw3945 during the install? what's that firmware-ipw3945-di ? Don't find it on my system but on the above link |
| 01:38.01 | mehran | well guys it was just process only 4G how possible all hdd gone? |
| 01:38.38 | simonrvn | you would know that better than we, you know where you ran the thing |
| 01:39.11 | petemc | mehran: the start of the disk contains information as to how the disk is partitioned |
| 01:39.40 | itchi | Does me thinking that my daily rsnapshot backup is running and slow down my system now :-) |
| 01:39.44 | esaym | why do people say you can't install amd64 kernel on a system with 686 kernel? |
| 01:39.48 | Shadow_mil | itchi, how do I load the firmware? modprobe firmware_ipw3945 ? |
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| 01:40.22 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Just install it |
| 01:40.32 | Shadow_mil | ok its installed |
| 01:40.32 | esaym | there is an i386 version of it so I don't get it: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 01:40.34 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Is the deamon also installed? |
| 01:41.03 | Shadow_mil | itchi, whats the deamon called? ipw3945d? |
| 01:41.09 | itchi | Shadow_mil: yes |
| 01:41.37 | Shadow_mil | itchi, yes I have it installed |
| 01:41.39 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Is lsmod showing better things now? |
| 01:42.01 | Shadow_mil | itchi, ipw3945 179972 0 |
| 01:42.34 | simonrvn | daemon |
| 01:42.36 | itchi | Shadow_mil: And iwlist? |
| 01:42.36 | voltagex | whoa, package list 5679kB now |
| 01:42.42 | voltagex | ...that's huge |
| 01:43.16 | itchi | simonrvn: Sorry, my rsnapshot backup is running and hits a bit to much my computer :-p Get some little to long hangs :-s |
| 01:43.22 | itchi | Stupid /home on nfs |
| 01:43.24 | Shadow_mil | eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 01:43.24 | Shadow_mil | eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 01:43.24 | Shadow_mil | sit0 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
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| 01:43.51 | Shadow_mil | itchi, let me try restarting networking, brb |
| 01:43.55 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Maybe try to unload the module and and load it back |
| 01:44.01 | Shadow_mil | itchi, ok |
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| 01:44.26 | Shadow_mil | itchi, already did that already, now that I think about it |
| 01:44.28 | tuxan | ipw3945d gets confused easily |
| 01:44.36 | itchi | simonrvn: I'm near blindly typing my stff here :-) |
| 01:44.44 | ccvp | bbiab, gonna go get my Venti Anal Cumlatta, $3.99 (new product from Starbucks, via the Ron Jeremy(c) line of coffe products. |
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| 01:45.07 | voltagex | eww starbucks |
| 01:45.07 | Shadow_mil | itchi, I am going to disable and reable eth0, see if that works |
| 01:45.35 | voltagex | don't the iwlink drivers create wlan0 not ethX ? |
| 01:45.44 | itchi | Shadow_mil: When you load the module, is the service automatically started? it should start the /etc/init.d/ipw3945d or somethings like that. The laptop is down right now here |
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| 01:46.15 | Shadow_mil | itchi, I have already tried /etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart |
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| 01:46.58 | itchi | Shadow_mil: If you check with ifconfig -a, do you see the interface? |
| 01:47.23 | Shadow_mil | itchi, yeah, I see it without the -a |
| 01:47.28 | itchi | Shadow_mil: Check also the logs and dmesg |
| 01:47.43 | itchi | Shadow_mil: And iwlist still don't find it? |
| 01:47.44 | voltagex | dmesg especially |
| 01:48.15 | Shadow_mil | Ummmm |
| 01:48.18 | Shadow_mil | problem found |
| 01:48.20 | Shadow_mil | ipw3945: probe of 0000:02:00.0 failed with error -2 |
| 01:49.15 | xingu | Shadow_mil: your notebook may have an rfkill switch; toggle it. |
| 01:49.42 | Shadow_mil | xingu, ok |
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| 01:50.40 | itchi | xingu: Is that the meaning of the error? |
| 01:51.04 | liable | error two is usually firmaware not found |
| 01:51.27 | xingu | itchi: it's a common failure mode for 3945 |
| 01:51.58 | xingu | itchi: the reference design semi-mandates a physical rfkill switch |
| 01:52.29 | voltagex | is there a wireless toggle switch on there itchi ? |
| 01:52.41 | Shadow_mil | voltagex, yes, there is on mine |
| 01:52.42 | itchi | voltagex: Ask Shadow_mil :-p |
| 01:52.50 | itchi | Mine laptop does also |
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| 01:53.05 | voltagex | oh, sorry though it was itchi having the problem |
| 01:53.12 | voltagex | switch it on and check dmesg again |
| 01:53.30 | itchi | Guessing that he may need to reload it |
| 01:53.38 | Shadow_mil | xingu, I turned it off then on, what should I do then? |
| 01:53.48 | voltagex | should be detected and loaded |
| 01:53.55 | voltagex | check dmesg |
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| 01:54.47 | itchi | Or even don't need to, i left it different times shitched of and the switched it on when already completely booted without the need to reload the module |
| 01:55.12 | Shadow_mil | IM ONLINE! |
| 01:56.00 | Shadow_mil | lol I have a eth2 device now -_- |
| 01:56.27 | itchi | coool |
| 01:56.38 | itchi | I may sleep well now :-p |
| 01:56.43 | Shadow_mil | xingu, thanks for the tip |
| 01:56.45 | voltagex | heh |
| 01:56.47 | itchi | Have a nice night all! |
| 01:56.48 | Shadow_mil | itchi, and thanks for the help :) |
| 01:56.58 | itchi | Shadow_mil: No problem, you are welcome |
| 01:57.04 | voltagex | now you can IRC in bed |
| 01:57.05 | Shadow_mil | itchi, what, your not going to help get my webcam up and running now ;) |
| 01:57.16 | itchi | Gotcha let my slim backup running, it's hitting to much my box |
| 01:57.23 | voltagex | Shadow_mil: I might be able to, what kind of camera? |
| 01:58.06 | Shadow_mil | voltagex, 05:05.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd Unknown device 0843 (rev 01) |
| 01:58.11 | itchi | Shadow_mil: I'm to tired for this :-) It's 02:58 here ;-) |
| 01:58.13 | voltagex | bah |
| 01:58.18 | voltagex | ricoh |
| 01:58.20 | Shadow_mil | itchi, ok, nite |
| 01:58.56 | Shadow_mil | voltagex, yeah, don't worry about it. I spent 5 hours trying to get it to work on my last distro |
| 01:59.14 | Shadow_mil | voltagex, best I got was a fuzy upside down image -_- |
| 01:59.38 | voltagex | why is debian trying to install a -486 kernel?! |
| 01:59.43 | voltagex | :/ |
| 02:00.00 | Coweater | it always does |
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| 02:01.34 | Shadow_mil | I know with ubuntu there is a apt-get command to install every codec known to man (mplayer and xine). Does Debian have one? |
| 02:01.56 | Monkey_arma | debian is the same really in that respect |
| 02:02.02 | Monkey_arma | and the command you want is "aptitude" |
| 02:02.31 | Shadow_mil | looks at this apt-get install amarok going to work... |
| 02:02.33 | Shadow_mil | lol wut? |
| 02:02.51 | Greek-Boy | how do I change the device name of a network card? |
| 02:02.57 | Monkey_arma | Shadow_mil, the new command to use is called aptitude |
| 02:03.06 | Monkey_arma | type "man aptitude" at the command line |
| 02:03.16 | Shadow_mil | Monkey_arma, why aptitude over apt-get? |
| 02:04.17 | Monkey_arma | aptitude is almost the same as apt-get except that it has an improved interface, some more options and it also remembers which packages were downloaded automatically and which were downloaded manually |
| 02:05.05 | Monkey_arma | you can use it as a command line command (which is the best way...its what i do) or you can use it like dselect |
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| 02:05.24 | Shadow_mil | Monkey_arma, I never liked dselect |
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| 02:06.13 | Monkey_arma | i know...which is why you shouldnt use aptitude with the dselect style interface |
| 02:06.20 | Monkey_arma | the command line is great |
| 02:06.53 | Shadow_mil | installs something else with apt-get |
| 02:06.57 | Shadow_mil | Monkey_arma, and if I don't? |
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| 02:07.26 | Monkey_arma | well you dont need to use aptitude..you can use apt-get..but aptitude is even better...i advise it |
| 02:07.47 | Monkey_arma | if you can use apt-get it will take you 5 mins to learn aptitude..at most |
| 02:07.55 | Monkey_arma | read the man page for it |
| 02:08.14 | petemc | i dont think so |
| 02:09.00 | Monkey_arma | you dont agree petemc ? |
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| 02:09.28 | petemc | no, aptitude has a fairly oscure syntax |
| 02:09.33 | petemc | obscure |
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| 02:10.03 | Monkey_arma | aptitude command line is dead easy |
| 02:10.11 | Monkey_arma | very intuitive |
| 02:10.34 | Monkey_arma | and you can search the package list too |
| 02:10.54 | Monkey_arma | compare the apt-get and aptitude syntax in the man pages |
| 02:10.55 | iateadonut | mehran, are you still there? |
| 02:11.16 | iateadonut | if you are using an ext3, you may have deleted the journal, but there are several backup journals on the hard drive. |
| 02:11.32 | petemc | Monkey_arma: im not guessing, i have looked into it and it is very much not intuitive |
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| 02:11.47 | mehran | yes |
| 02:11.57 | petemc | too many tildes and exclamation marks |
| 02:12.05 | zinx | petemc: the aptitude command line options are almost identical to the apt-get ones :/ |
| 02:12.10 | Shadow_mil | ok, now why is xorg not give me my "1280x800" "1280x768" modes -_- |
| 02:12.12 | petemc | no they arent |
| 02:12.16 | Monkey_arma | yes they are |
| 02:12.17 | zinx | petemc: yes they are. |
| 02:12.39 | Monkey_arma | forget about tildes and exclamation marks |
| 02:13.18 | Monkey_arma | for example do "aptitude search module" to find all packages with the word module in them |
| 02:13.20 | Shadow_mil | oh, Im using vesa, great -_- |
| 02:13.32 | liable | do aptitude search foo module |
| 02:13.42 | liable | doesnt work like apt-cache.. |
| 02:14.05 | petemc | it sure doesnt |
| 02:14.05 | zinx | that's aptitude vs. apt-cache, not aptitude vs. apt-get |
| 02:14.34 | voltagex | suggestions for a small but functional desktop manager? |
| 02:14.38 | voltagex | I'm looking at xfce |
| 02:14.47 | Monkey_arma | you can use tools like apt-cache also if you want but for most things aptitude is the best |
| 02:15.19 | petemc | i wouldnt argue that aptitude is superior, but it is not intuitive |
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| 02:15.25 | zinx | (apt-get doesn't even *have* search functionality :P ) |
| 02:15.42 | Monkey_arma | it is intuitive...certainly as much or more than apt-get etc |
| 02:15.48 | zinx | petemc: it is no less intuitive than apt-get, or so i'll believe until you can provide an example to me :/ |
| 02:15.58 | Shadow_mil | what driver is needed for: 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)? |
| 02:16.08 | Shadow_mil | i945 or something? |
| 02:17.01 | petemc | zinx: i guess i was bundling apt-cache in as well, you can indeed pass the same options to aptitude as you would apt-get, but if you apply the same logic the searching you run into problems |
| 02:17.07 | Monkey_arma | voltagex, xfce is the only one i can think of |
| 02:17.32 | Monkey_arma | i use aptitude search every day and have never had a problem with it |
| 02:17.33 | voltagex | Monkey_arma: ok |
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| 02:17.38 | Monkey_arma | combine it with grep |
| 02:17.57 | lymeca | So I'm trying to mv a lot of files but it complains that the argument list is too long |
| 02:17.57 | voltagex | Monkey_arma: if I use apt-get, will it grab xserver as well? |
| 02:18.08 | voltagex | I don't think xorg is installed at all here. |
| 02:18.09 | lymeca | -bash: /bin/mv: Argument list too long |
| 02:18.11 | petemc | i appear to be jibbering |
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| 02:18.37 | Monkey_arma | ok here is a good example for voltagex..do "aptitude search xorg" |
| 02:18.50 | Monkey_arma | then you can narrow down if you want with grep |
| 02:19.10 | Shadow_mil | brb |
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| 02:19.25 | voltagex | yeah, I'm not quite a noob :P |
| 02:19.44 | Monkey_arma | or pipe to less :) |
| 02:19.48 | zinx | petemc: aptitude's search capability uses a different syntax, but it does have more flexibility :/ |
| 02:19.48 | Monkey_arma | ah ok :) |
| 02:19.58 | voltagex | less is more ;) |
| 02:20.35 | zinx | petemc: as for liable's example, aptitude's search command takes one argument per pattern |
| 02:20.47 | voltagex | I need to find this perl script to download and extract the firmware for my dvb card |
| 02:20.54 | Monkey_arma | personally i found the aptitude man page simpler than apt-cache anyway |
| 02:21.01 | zinx | petemc: and matches any pattern, rather than only on all |
| 02:21.13 | zinx | petemc: try "aptitude search 'foo module'" instead |
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| 02:23.34 | petemc | i think im just generally opposed to it because of the use quotable characters |
| 02:23.42 | petemc | +of |
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| 02:24.07 | zinx | petemc: well, use apt-cache for searching :P |
| 02:24.14 | petemc | i do :) |
| 02:24.20 | wimpies | Anybody can help me with an automount-nfs problem ? |
| 02:24.20 | Monkey_arma | i would do " aptitude search foo | grep module" |
| 02:24.32 | WormFood | good morning everyone....does anyone know why the hell my volume is muted every time I boot Linux (sid), and how I can "fix" it? |
| 02:25.14 | liable | WormFood: adjust mixers in alsamixer and run 'alsactl store' |
| 02:25.35 | Monkey_arma | you should be able to unmute it with amixer |
| 02:25.54 | WormFood | aaarrrggghhh....and my god damn time is off by 12 hours again |
| 02:26.16 | WormFood | thanks liable |
| 02:26.22 | wimpies | I have a system that automounts an NFS drive from another system. When the first system shuts down, the disk on the NFS server system remains 'in use' by the nfs-kernel-server so that I cannot unmount that disk unless I restart the NFS kernel server. Why does a shutdown not unmount the nfs disk ? |
| 02:27.47 | n3kl | wimpies: fyi, nfs4 is awesome for fault/reboot/unavailable service type stuff |
| 02:28.39 | wimpies | n3kl : what do you mean ? You think I do not mount using NFS4 ? |
| 02:28.39 | voltagex | argh, why does everyone think dbus is the solution to everything? |
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| 02:28.54 | simonrvn | dbus is PITA |
| 02:28.58 | WormFood | how in the fuck does my time get off by 12 hours...this shit is really pissing me off! I have to stop ntpd, and run ntpdate, and restart ntpd and everything seems to be fine after that |
| 02:29.01 | simonrvn | is a |
| 02:29.18 | voltagex | well I'll put up with it because I want this app |
| 02:29.29 | simonrvn | fix your hwclock; check your battery |
| 02:29.43 | WormFood | simonrvn, there is nothing wrong with my hwclock or my battery |
| 02:29.48 | voltagex | is there a way to get debian to autodetect and mount my ntfs drives? |
| 02:29.50 | n3kl | wimpies: are you using nfs4? |
| 02:30.43 | simonrvn | well something is certainly, otherwise it wouldn't do this... and don't take what i said as a "you dumb n00b, do that" kind of comment because it wasn't meant that way |
| 02:31.12 | esaym | anyone have any tips for getting vnc running? I am using tightvncviewer and on the remote machine I have xvnc tied into inetd.conf but it just ain't working. |
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| 02:31.27 | n3kl | voltagex: fstab? |
| 02:31.30 | wimpies | n3kl : how can I check ? |
| 02:31.41 | n3kl | grep nfs4 /etc/fstab |
| 02:31.43 | l33 | my dpkg -l is out of date with my what's actually installed in on my system, apt-get seems to be sane though ;-) |
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| 02:32.00 | esaym | I have also enabled xdmcp in the kdm conf |
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| 02:32.19 | n3kl | wimpies: I think that is pretty normal behavior for nfs3, which is really, really anoying. nfs4 is quite a bit better at handling a down nfs mount. |
| 02:32.48 | simonrvn | if s/he doesn't know, s/he's probably running v2 even |
| 02:33.18 | wimpies | n3kl : checking |
| 02:33.34 | l33 | what's your nfs problem? |
| 02:33.45 | simonrvn | init scrip for n-k-s defaulted to --no-version-3 or whatever for a long time (i think still does in etch) |
| 02:33.46 | voltagex | hmm, can I auto generate an fstab from currently mounted drives? |
| 02:33.49 | simonrvn | script* |
| 02:34.11 | n3kl | l33: I think his machine is not going down on init 6 because of a locked nfs mount. |
| 02:34.23 | l33 | right.. |
| 02:34.31 | l33 | yeah..sounds about right |
| 02:34.38 | n3kl | ha |
| 02:34.40 | l33 | if you can put you nfs mounts to read only |
| 02:34.41 | n3kl | yup |
| 02:34.49 | l33 | then you can mount it with async |
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| 02:34.55 | l33 | and things go a little better |
| 02:35.07 | l33 | nfs = nightmare filesystem |
| 02:35.08 | n3kl | Anyone know where I can find some solid information on clustering with debian? |
| 02:35.11 | l33 | I quite like it |
| 02:35.16 | l33 | better than samba of death |
| 02:35.47 | l33 | what kind of clustering? |
| 02:35.54 | l33 | anyone know what's up with my dkpg? |
| 02:36.00 | l33 | it's listing apt-get removed packages? |
| 02:36.05 | n3kl | High performance |
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| 02:36.18 | l33 | what are you clustering? |
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| 02:36.58 | n3kl | l33: three virtual machines I am in the process of building. Striclt a learning experience, but there seems to be limited information on the actual setup process |
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| 02:37.32 | n3kl | I just want it to load ballance stuff. What kind of stuff? I have no idea. |
| 02:38.05 | l33 | hmm..you got a few options |
| 02:38.07 | petemc | first intention, then enlightenment |
| 02:38.32 | WormFood | there are a lot of different ways to load balance, depending on what exactly you are trying to do |
| 02:38.34 | l33 | load balance at layer 2,3,5,7 |
| 02:38.43 | l33 | WormFood is right! |
| 02:39.48 | n3kl | Like what though. I understand that there is a LAM and MPICH methods. First, I don't know what the benefit of either would be, but I would like to be able to pass portions of jobs to different machine based on load |
| 02:39.57 | WormFood | load balancing a static web site is totally different from trying to load balance an sql server (for example) |
| 02:40.18 | n3kl | WormFood: sql has its own load ballancing built in, doesn't it? |
| 02:40.27 | n3kl | at, least I think it does |
| 02:40.36 | WormFood | n3kl, it depends on the sql server, and what your goals are |
| 02:41.05 | n3kl | WormFood: what sort of methods to clustering are you aware of out there? |
| 02:41.05 | l33 | I'd check here for a start |
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| 02:41.34 | l33 | http://lcic.org/load_balancing.html |
| 02:41.46 | l33 | http://www.linux-vs.org/ |
| 02:42.02 | WormFood | n3kl, I have not looked into the details of load balancing in a long time.....and clustering is not always the same as load balancing |
| 02:42.22 | WormFood | sometimes a cluster is slower than a single machine...it all depends on your task at hand |
| 02:42.26 | l33 | http://openssi.eu/ |
| 02:42.36 | l33 | single system image are also interesting |
| 02:42.41 | WormFood | your job needs to be able to be broken up into pieces suitable for clustering |
| 02:42.44 | l33 | I've actually used openssi and it work.. |
| 02:43.40 | WormFood | sometimes the overhead of the cluster makes your job slower than a single machine....it all depends on the job |
| 02:44.08 | l33 | clustering any application, it's all about preserving the state. |
| 02:44.20 | l33 | it's hard to share state between machines |
| 02:44.27 | WormFood | right l33 |
| 02:44.32 | l33 | unless the have some kinda of shared memory between them |
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| 02:44.39 | WormFood | but are you trying to cluster an app, or a job? |
| 02:44.55 | l33 | which can be ram, or disk or something! |
| 02:44.59 | WormFood | processing data may not need to have the state shared |
| 02:45.23 | Greek-Boy | how do I change the device name of a network card? |
| 02:45.37 | WormFood | that is why you need to set down your goals, before you can figure out what is the best solution |
| 02:45.51 | WormFood | it sounds like n3kl has a solution is search of a problem ;) |
| 02:46.13 | WormFood | is=in |
| 02:46.42 | Monkey_arma | greek boy what do you mean? |
| 02:47.03 | liable | !z25 |
| 02:47.04 | dpkg | i guess z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 02:48.12 | wimpies | n3kl : I cannot get the nfs4 exported drive to mount : mount claims 1 that rcp.idmapd is not running (it is !) and that the device does not exist (it does) |
| 02:48.53 | WormFood | I'm going back to work, thanks for your help guys. |
| 02:49.28 | petemc | working easter sunday, i hope you're being well paid |
| 02:49.43 | n3kl | Say I want to take three slow machines, and make them into one fast machine, what would I need to use for clustering? |
| 02:49.57 | petemc | pixie dust |
| 02:49.59 | voltagex | why would i not be able to write to an ntfs drive even if it's mounted rw? |
| 02:50.06 | n3kl | sits at the office |
| 02:50.43 | WormFood | it is easter sunday? |
| 02:50.56 | petemc | where i am, at least |
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| 02:51.03 | n3kl | not yet for me |
| 02:51.07 | DAC1138 | n3kl: cluster knoppix |
| 02:51.09 | WormFood | I guess it is a good thing I renewed my jesusfuckinchrist.com domain name in time for easter :D |
| 02:51.24 | n3kl | wimpies: go read up on nfs4, it handles mount points a little differently |
| 02:51.28 | DAC1138 | n3kl: that's the short, easy answer |
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| 02:51.51 | n3kl | DAC1138: this is meant to be educational more than functional |
| 02:52.22 | DAC1138 | n3kl: so be more in depth, you'd need open mosix, which is a kernel extension that handles clustering. problem with just installing and using openmosix is that all machines need to be running the same kernel version and same xorg version if you want to use some openmosix utilities that use X |
| 02:53.01 | l33 | openmosix is interesting. |
| 02:53.22 | l33 | I definily look a gpxe for booting |
| 02:53.26 | l33 | that's how I boot my cluster |
| 02:53.47 | l33 | ah, it should work for virtual machines too! |
| 02:53.54 | n3kl | DAC1138: it would be cool to take the old machine I have laying around and turn them into one desktop that is worth using, but that is not really my concern. I have looked into some openmosix, they even have live cds based on the stuff, but like I say, I want to lean more about it. Also, my current env... |
| 02:54.09 | DAC1138 | n3kl: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-colinux/ |
| 02:54.10 | n3kl | is going to be built on virtual machines simply for testing |
| 02:54.30 | DAC1138 | n3kl: yeah, i understand, i did that stuff for a while |
| 02:54.36 | n3kl | DAC1138: I have never built a cluster and want to. I am out of neat projects to do on linux |
| 02:54.49 | Greek-Boy | Monkey_arma: I mean change a network device name from eth1 to eth0. |
| 02:54.51 | DAC1138 | n3kl: my setup was a bunch of old dells running on clusterknoppix, not running from the live cd but I installed to the HD |
| 02:55.11 | Greek-Boy | Monkey_arma: Becaue eth0 has now been removed physically |
| 02:55.16 | DAC1138 | n3kl: then i did some research into openmosix and turned my laptop into the main node, which was running a different kernel and distro. i was running slackware |
| 02:55.26 | liable | Greek-Boy: see what dpkg said above |
| 02:55.27 | Monkey_arma | Greek-Boy, you can do some things in lilo (or maybe grub if you use that) |
| 02:55.45 | DAC1138 | n3kl: that's when i had to rebuild my kernel and include openmosix into the kernel for my laptop, which is my everyday use machine |
| 02:56.19 | n3kl | Greek-Boy: so change the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:56.43 | liable | huh? that doesnt change the interface name. |
| 02:56.57 | Greek-Boy | n3kl: as far as I know that doesn't change the name of the interface. |
| 02:57.20 | n3kl | liable: I guess I don't understand why you need it changed, for configuration reasons? |
| 02:57.25 | n3kl | Greek-Boy: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm |
| 02:57.36 | Monkey_arma | Greek-Boy, you can specify the interfaces in lilo.conf |
| 02:57.44 | n3kl | find /etc/ -type f -exec grep -Hin eth0 {} \; |
| 02:57.48 | Greek-Boy | thanks n3kl |
| 02:57.53 | Greek-Boy | thanks Monkey_arma |
| 02:57.59 | petemc | whisky tango foxtrot |
| 02:58.08 | petemc | laible gave you your answer |
| 02:58.09 | lymeca | I have a single SAS 147GB HDD and I just added an identical drive on the same SAS controller (on the motherboard). I want to use software RAID to mirror this hard drive in a RAID-1, but it's where I have my operating systems installed so I can't have anything mess up. Can I accomplish this on the fly and how? |
| 02:58.14 | DAC1138 | n3kl: openmosix and clusterknoppix are the best two places to start |
| 02:58.28 | n3kl | I will fire those up |
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| 02:59.14 | DAC1138 | n3kl: once you get the hang of how clusterknoppix works, you can tweak and install different distros on other machines and build from scratch from there |
| 02:59.29 | clinton | Does anyone know which package I need to resolve this error: Makefile.python-applet:14: EXTRA_DIST multiply defined in condition TRUE |
| 02:59.35 | n3kl | DAC1138: the eventual goal of mine would be to have a pxe boot server that would present a menu for machines to boot. This way, I could point all machines to boot an image that I built and cluster a system |
| 02:59.42 | n3kl | add systems at will sort of thing |
| 02:59.44 | n3kl | that would be neatr |
| 03:00.06 | n3kl | then when it works, I will get bored again and have to find something else to do |
| 03:00.17 | Monkey_arma | Greek-Boy, ether=irq,base_addr,[param1,][param2,]name |
| 03:00.35 | Monkey_arma | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag2/x-087-2-hardware.drivers.ethernet.html |
| 03:00.45 | petemc | Monkey_arma: thats old school, udev is how you do that shit now |
| 03:00.59 | Monkey_arma | i am backwards |
| 03:01.01 | DAC1138 | hmm, as of march 2008, openMosix is officially discontinued |
| 03:01.30 | n3kl | DAC1138: does your article say what is replacing it? |
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| 03:01.48 | DAC1138 | n3kl: i dont know, but openMosix still works fine |
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| 03:02.00 | Shadow_mil | Meh.... I somehow failed to install sound. -_- |
| 03:02.09 | DAC1138 | n3kl: "On July 15, 2007, Bar announced that the openMOSIX project will reach its end of life on March 1, 2008, due to the decreasing need for SSI clustering as low-cost multi-core processors increase in availability.[1]" |
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| 03:02.34 | DAC1138 | n3kl: it's not that the software doesnt working, but the reason Bar gave was that multi-core processors are increasing in availability |
| 03:02.37 | n3kl | Hmm |
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| 03:02.54 | petemc | n3kl: ocfs coupled with drdb and the like is popular now, but as has been pointed out - you need to know what you want to do before you try to do it |
| 03:02.58 | l33 | we need a new operating system? |
| 03:03.45 | l33 | it's a shame gnu/hurd is such a slow development process. |
| 03:03.56 | DAC1138 | anyway, i need to go get some air outside, brb |
| 03:03.56 | n3kl | Aye |
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| 03:05.19 | n3kl | petemc: yeah, but I don't really know what I want to do. I don't really have a specific task, job or whatever. High availibility is one thing, meh... High performance is another, which sounds much cooler |
| 03:05.37 | petemc | you're tyre kicking |
| 03:06.23 | n3kl | Ha =], food verbage |
| 03:06.40 | n3kl | petemc: mostly |
| 03:06.54 | n3kl | I may actually put it to use someday. |
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| 03:07.15 | n3kl | I want a job in linux, and if the question is ever posed, have you built a cluster?... |
| 03:08.25 | Shadow_mil | is there a way for aptitude to install a .deb file? |
| 03:08.40 | clinton | Shadow_mil, dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 03:08.40 | n3kl | Shadow_mil: tell dpkg instead |
| 03:09.38 | Shadow_mil | clinton, yeah I know that, but there are a lot of deps |
| 03:09.46 | petemc | handily, aptitude can satisfy the dependancies of a .deb |
| 03:09.56 | petemc | aptitude -f ? |
| 03:10.03 | petemc | i think |
| 03:11.11 | petemc | theres a graphical app to do same |
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| 03:11.32 | Shadow_mil | petemc, what is it? |
| 03:11.35 | petemc | gdebi? |
| 03:11.38 | petemc | im not sure |
| 03:11.56 | petemc | drunk n stoned, not working at full capacity |
| 03:12.38 | petemc | Shadow_mil: after trying to install with dpkg, you should be able to use aptitude to install what you need |
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| 03:13.44 | Shadow_mil | looks at the +20 dependancies and cries |
| 03:14.28 | petemc | i feel im being ignored |
| 03:14.48 | n3kl | petemc: hello |
| 03:15.19 | petemc | Shadow_mil: if you've tried dpkg -i , now run aptitude -f install |
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| 03:16.43 | Monkey_arma | you might need to do dpkg --force-depends -i |
| 03:17.01 | petemc | i think not |
| 03:17.41 | Monkey_arma | :) |
| 03:17.45 | petemc | Monkey_arma: can i say, not to be rude, but you seem to be dispensing some dubious advice |
| 03:17.52 | Monkey_arma | ok |
| 03:17.59 | Shadow_mil | petemc, aptitude -f install removes pidgin to fix the problem... |
| 03:18.07 | petemc | fantastic then |
| 03:18.29 | voltagex | anyone use mpdscribble here? |
| 03:18.42 | voltagex | I can't find where to set the password, it says it's managed by debconf |
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| 03:19.07 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure mpdscribble |
| 03:19.19 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure is how you invoke debconf |
| 03:19.26 | voltagex | thankyou |
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| 03:20.00 | voltagex | working now, thanks |
| 03:20.08 | crazy2k | How do I know what files a package owns? |
| 03:20.09 | Monkey_arma | i dont like dpkg much anyway |
| 03:20.18 | petemc | crazy2k: dpkg -l |
| 03:20.31 | petemc | erm -L |
| 03:20.31 | voltagex | isn't it dpkg -L |
| 03:20.34 | voltagex | yeah |
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| 03:21.32 | crazy2k | Thanks. |
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| 03:23.54 | LimCore | wtf |
| 03:24.00 | Shadow_mil | is this the official debian channel btw? |
| 03:24.01 | voltagex | indeed |
| 03:24.02 | LimCore | is scponlyc working at all? |
| 03:24.05 | miromiro | how do i reapply FS permissions from a dpkg file? |
| 03:24.06 | petemc | Shadow_mil: no |
| 03:24.17 | LimCore | miromiro: reinstall |
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| 03:24.34 | miromiro | LimCore... which way? |
| 03:24.44 | simonrvn | the package, of course |
| 03:24.47 | LimCore | damn. system failed me again |
| 03:24.56 | LimCore | is it just me, or scponlyc is not working at al |
| 03:24.57 | LimCore | all |
| 03:25.17 | DAC1138 | n3kl: http://www.linux.com/articles/49654 |
| 03:25.37 | miromiro | LimCore: e.g. my postfix has permission problems.. if i uninstall and reinstall.. how about data and configuration? |
| 03:25.58 | DAC1138 | n3kl: i'd say check into condor instead of openmosix |
| 03:26.17 | simonrvn | who said anything about purging? |
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| 03:26.57 | petemc | miromiro: you could fix the permissions directly |
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| 03:27.35 | miromiro | petemc that's what i tried by hand... but i expect there's something left :S |
| 03:27.44 | miromiro | any suggestion to do it automated? |
| 03:28.25 | petemc | you wouldnt learn much that way |
| 03:28.42 | Shadow_mil | checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool |
| 03:28.53 | Shadow_mil | I can't find any perl XML parser packages. |
| 03:28.53 | n3kl | DAC1138: neat, thanks for the tip(s) |
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| 03:29.13 | LimCore | scponly seems to be an epic failure, can anyone help me to verify my bug? |
| 03:29.22 | DAC1138 | n3kl: eh, scratch that. condor isnt open source and it is very specific as to what applications will run on it. i'd stick with openmosix until i see a good replacement |
| 03:29.31 | petemc | LimCore: it works |
| 03:29.44 | LimCore | petemc: chrooted version works too? scponlyc |
| 03:29.45 | petemc | or it has for me in the past |
| 03:30.01 | petemc | oh, no idea |
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| 03:30.10 | LimCore | because for me it always fails with couldn't chroot |
| 03:30.13 | miromiro | simonrvn - so you expect if i uninstall and reinstall... anything is intact |
| 03:30.19 | LimCore | same epic failure applies to ubuntu version, btw |
| 03:30.28 | petemc | Shadow_mil: apt-cache search perl xml |
| 03:30.30 | LimCore | petemc: care to try to confirm my bug? |
| 03:30.34 | miromiro | perfect permissions, same config as before, perfect data access... |
| 03:30.37 | petemc | not really |
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| 03:31.09 | simonrvn | miromiro: i guess you haven't read the warranty |
| 03:31.20 | simonrvn | i.e., THERE IS NONE |
| 03:31.24 | esaym | is there a way to connect to vnc on a remote computer and see exactly what that person is seeing on his computer screen? Right now using this: http://pastebin.com/m50bc4bcc I can only log in and start a new session |
| 03:32.00 | petemc | esaym: x11vnc or rfb can export a running session |
| 03:32.14 | petemc | (something)rfb |
| 03:32.14 | voltagex | i prefer rfb |
| 03:32.32 | miromiro | simonrvn: ;-) |
| 03:32.38 | voltagex | krfb |
| 03:32.46 | voltagex | is there such thing as grfb? |
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| 03:33.04 | petemc | dont think so, but there is a non kde version |
| 03:33.06 | miromiro | simonrvn: i wrote "expect" .-) |
| 03:33.13 | petemc | xrfb, perhaps |
| 03:33.16 | voltagex | sigh, a few more hours before this machine is set up |
| 03:33.18 | petemc | cant recall |
| 03:33.24 | esaym | hmm so tightvnc is not what I want then? |
| 03:33.30 | petemc | no |
| 03:33.43 | petemc | well, as a client it would be fine |
| 03:33.44 | esaym | :( |
| 03:34.29 | petemc | dont get too upset |
| 03:35.00 | esaym | freakin son of a |
| 03:35.08 | petemc | easy now |
| 03:35.15 | esaym | I spent like 3 days trying to get tightvnc server to workl >_< |
| 03:35.20 | esaym | rofl |
| 03:35.24 | LimCore | ok |
| 03:35.32 | LimCore | I find the source of scponly's epic failure |
| 03:35.34 | petemc | chalk it up to experience |
| 03:35.41 | LimCore | it misses the SUID bit. applying it make scponlyc work |
| 03:35.47 | n3kl | esaym: whats wrong with x11vnc |
| 03:36.29 | voltagex | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.32 | esaym | rfb looks good too n3kl |
| 03:37.59 | petemc | how does someone get to MIT and not know a better client than bitchx |
| 03:38.24 | voltagex | lol |
| 03:38.31 | n3kl | irssi |
| 03:38.32 | voltagex | irssi ftw |
| 03:38.32 | DAC1138 | petemc: big ego? elitism? |
| 03:39.15 | DAC1138 | petemc: lack of money for a newer, post-pentium 2 CPU? |
| 03:39.39 | voltagex | are you saying irssi requires a PII? |
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| 03:39.41 | petemc | how do those things factor into getting into a university? |
| 03:39.56 | miromiro | But when data files are untouched -- are their permissions really changed with uninstall/install? |
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| 03:43.17 | miromiro | btw: my permission problem is based on: $ sendmail -i xx@mydomain.com ..... leading to postdrop: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/792287.32515: Permission denied |
| 03:45.11 | Shadow_mil | I take it debian developers hate a bloated firefox? |
| 03:45.35 | voltagex | iceweasel? long story |
| 03:46.12 | Shadow_mil | voltagex, I got time... |
| 03:46.35 | voltagex | google it |
| 03:46.48 | n3kl | http://n01getsout.com/blog/2006/11/18/why-iceweasel-instead-of-firefox-on-debian/ |
| 03:47.14 | voltagex | thanks n3kl, rather short on bandwidth here |
| 03:49.01 | Shadow_mil | Connor confirmed that the Mozilla Corporation was revoking the previous agreement with Debian which allowed them to use the Firefox name. Further messages from Mike Connor clarified Mozilla's current policies: "Yes,if you are shipping a browser called Firefox, we should be signing off on every deviation from what we ship."; and "If you are going to use the Firefox name, you must also use the rest of the branding." |
| 03:50.26 | esaym | x11vnc is working great. Thank you guys |
| 03:51.15 | n3kl | voltagex: short on bandwidth? Get a better connection man |
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| 03:52.16 | voltagex | n3kl: which country are you in? |
| 03:52.39 | Rusty1 | crazy2k: apt-file show <packagename> |
| 03:52.47 | n3kl | voltagex: us |
| 03:52.56 | n3kl | voltagex: you live out in the "boonies" |
| 03:53.11 | voltagex | n3kl: australia, and our internet SUCKS |
| 03:53.18 | voltagex | you can have your american ceo back now. |
| 03:53.24 | n3kl | voltagex: you got satellite or something |
| 03:53.30 | voltagex | no |
| 03:53.45 | voltagex | errrrgh. sata drives aren't coming up any more |
| 03:54.07 | Shadow_mil | voltagex, how long will it take after firefox3 to come for iceweasel equal version? |
| 03:54.14 | voltagex | no idea |
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| 03:54.31 | Shadow_mil | voltagex, I think I might endup installing ff3 manually when it comes out. |
| 03:56.08 | WormFood | hhhmmm...I'm in China, and I've been surprised with how good the Internet connections are here....I find it hard to believe Internet in OZ would suck so bad. |
| 03:56.12 | simonrvn | i have ff3beta4 running... |
| 03:56.35 | simonrvn | WormFood: comes down to monopoly |
| 03:56.39 | voltagex | WormFood: 512/128 for $60/month |
| 03:56.49 | voltagex | with only 25gb download |
| 03:57.10 | WormFood | and my internet here is censored, and it is still fast (well, not censored for me, because I use a VPN on all the censored sites) |
| 03:57.14 | simonrvn | 5Mb/800 for 35$ |
| 03:57.25 | voltagex | :/ |
| 03:57.40 | simonrvn | +10 for a /28 =;) |
| 03:57.41 | DAC1138 | voltagex: yup. you on bigpond? |
| 03:58.05 | voltagex | no |
| 03:58.07 | WormFood | when I came to China, I expected the internet to suck....but I've been surprised |
| 03:58.20 | voltagex | how do I get my NVidia card to work on Debian |
| 03:58.30 | prolix | china only allows people to view 8 websites, that's why the bandwidth is good. :P |
| 03:58.32 | simonrvn | china has a new infrastructure, it's not surprising |
| 03:58.56 | WormFood | prolix, you would think they would block everything and only allow "good" sites in, but that is not how it works |
| 03:59.00 | simonrvn | "NA" has an old one, which badly need serious upgrading |
| 03:59.11 | simonrvn | needs* |
| 03:59.21 | prolix | WormFood: can you access youtube? |
| 03:59.23 | WormFood | they only block things like wikipedia, blogs, dynamic IP services, and google cache |
| 03:59.36 | WormFood | sure, I can access youtube through my VPN :P |
| 03:59.41 | prolix | heh |
| 03:59.47 | WormFood | fuck youtube, I hardly ever watch that shit anyways |
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| 04:00.02 | WormFood | I'm not missing youtube |
| 04:00.12 | WormFood | what I do miss is wikipedia |
| 04:00.18 | DAC1138 | WormFood: *GASP*? so you don't like watching monkeys pick their noses? |
| 04:00.23 | simonrvn | i find good stuff there... but then again, i do't go looking for crap either ;) |
| 04:00.23 | WormFood | but a few key strokes, and I got wikipedia back |
| 04:00.32 | DAC1138 | WormFood: or people vlog about how bad their toiletpaper is? |
| 04:00.44 | WormFood | I have found good stuff on youtube, just not often |
| 04:00.51 | DAC1138 | how could anyone live without youtube? |
| 04:00.53 | simonrvn | i go looking for powwow videos and such |
| 04:01.03 | WormFood | and the blogs that I can't get are amazing...tech blogs are blocked too |
| 04:01.39 | WormFood | my favorite thing is to pull up a wikipedia page, and show it to my friend, and ask them if they can get the same page too *evil grin* |
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| 04:01.58 | voltagex | ok, the nvidia driver just barfed |
| 04:02.02 | voltagex | all over my system |
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| 04:02.27 | WormFood | voltagex, that is why I use a trident pci card from 1995...they work great |
| 04:03.31 | voltagex | WormFood: some of us want to display HDTV :P |
| 04:03.31 | WormFood | I'm joking...I've had my share of problems with god damn suck ass nvidia too....and god damn suck ass ATI too for that matter too |
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| 04:04.34 | WormFood | I promised myself I'd never buy an ATI after they said they would not support Linux, and would not help Linux developers support their hardware...I think that was back in 1999....now I have an ATI card that was given to me, so I have used them |
| 04:04.49 | voltagex | s3 virge isa cards work wonderfully |
| 04:04.59 | voltagex | so do really old ati and nvidia cards |
| 04:05.24 | WormFood | and my laptop has an ATI card in it too :( |
| 04:05.50 | WormFood | I was fond of the voodoo 3 card back in the old days |
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| 04:06.10 | simonrvn | WormFood: heh, i have one :). i've been thinking of using it as a second output for dual-screen (for use with gimp and such) |
| 04:06.21 | simonrvn | (the trident pci) |
| 04:06.27 | WormFood | hehehe |
| 04:06.38 | WormFood | now I have a pair of ATI cards that support dual monitors |
| 04:06.49 | simonrvn | ati reversed that decision btw |
| 04:07.00 | WormFood | no doubt |
| 04:07.54 | WormFood | and I know they reversed that decision a long time ago, but still...fuck them for saying stupid shit like that in the first place! |
| 04:08.02 | simonrvn | i think i'll do some hacking on that wiki article conversion script some more |
| 04:08.05 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 04:08.27 | WormFood | if you want to piss on your customers, then don't expect to have any customers anymore |
| 04:08.42 | simonrvn | before they got bought by amd, they had their hq not too far from here... figures some TO execs would take that stance ;) |
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| 04:09.12 | WormFood | I won't buy Asus anymore because they don't give us simple info to properly support their motherboard features under Linux...I don't care if it was years ago, I still don't buy them anymore. (I don't even know how their Linux support is now) |
| 04:09.18 | voltagex | what did they say? |
| 04:10.01 | voltagex | dude, asus barely support xp |
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| 04:10.31 | simonrvn | i'm stuck with an asus right now, that won't support anything faster than a p3/500 |
| 04:10.53 | WormFood | the old asus used to be nice motherboards....back in the P2/P3 daze |
| 04:11.15 | ryty | still uses ASUS |
| 04:11.23 | ryty | I've never had ANY support issues. |
| 04:12.06 | WormFood | I had an asus athlon motherboard, and they wouldn't even give us (Linux developers, not talking about me personally) the info needed to read the fuckin' cpu temp |
| 04:12.45 | ryty | WormFood: did you ask? |
| 04:12.52 | ryty | (they, not you personally) |
| 04:12.55 | WormFood | others asked, and they were denied |
| 04:13.01 | WormFood | many people asked |
| 04:13.27 | voltagex | on what grounds? |
| 04:13.27 | WormFood | I may be a nobody, but they lost some sales because of me. |
| 04:13.35 | miromiro | Someone of you familiar with strace? i still try to debug why my sendmail (postdrop child) exactly tells to have no permission |
| 04:13.50 | WormFood | I don't remember why they wouldn't give that info....it was really gay reasons |
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| 04:15.37 | miromiro | i see some chdir("/var/spool/postfix") and open("maildrop/597812.540", O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0644) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) ... which looks pretty straightforward as i expected... |
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| 04:20.10 | voltagex | debian seems tp be intermittently freezing on "Waiting for root file system" then is fine the next reboot |
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| 04:25.55 | cafuego | miromiro: sendmail? postfix is what you mean? Did you break permissions? |
| 04:26.48 | miromiro | cafuego - it looks like to me |
| 04:27.12 | miromiro | cafuego i try to find out why... |
| 04:27.13 | esaym | anyway to get audio over vnc? |
| 04:27.39 | miromiro | i speak of postfix package (providing postfixed sendmail ;) ) |
| 04:28.18 | miromiro | finally the problem only occurs when apache2 does a php mail() - leading to subsequent sendmail (and postdrop child) |
| 04:28.33 | miromiro | where postdrop reports periodically "no permission"... |
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| 04:30.13 | miromiro | cafuego: any input appreciated! |
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| 04:32.00 | voltagex | what the... what package provides /etc/X11/X ? |
| 04:33.41 | WormFood | umm.../etc/X11/X is a symlink |
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| 04:34.14 | voltagex | well it can't be found on my system.... |
| 04:34.21 | ryty | voltagex: I have it going to /usr/bin/Xorg |
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| 04:35.04 | voltagex | hrmm xorg wasn't installed... even though I apt-got it. |
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| 04:35.23 | voltagex | and finally, it works |
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| 04:35.50 | WormFood | try xserver-xorg-core |
| 04:36.03 | voltagex | yeah got it |
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| 04:36.19 | voltagex | now I just need the DVB firmware for my card. |
| 04:36.22 | Nix3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.39 | WormFood | you have a dvb card? |
| 04:36.48 | voltagex | 2 of them actually. |
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| 04:36.57 | WormFood | I only have one DVB card |
| 04:37.25 | voltagex | firmware goes in /lib/firmware right? |
| 04:37.34 | WormFood | no clue |
| 04:37.39 | iKernel | have a file in /lost+found whose contents is Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l . Where should this file go? |
| 04:37.45 | WormFood | I don't need firmware for my card...it is on the card |
| 04:37.51 | phorce1 | was watching PBS on the DVB-S card a few minutes ago. Still fiddling with getting my rotor .... uhhh .... rotoring correctly. |
| 04:38.02 | voltagex | dvb-usb: Twinhan USB2.0 DVB-T receiver (TwinhanDTV Alpha/MagicBox II) successfully initialized and connected. |
| 04:38.04 | WormFood | I don't have a rotor |
| 04:38.14 | phorce1 | voltagex: yes, /lib/firmware/ |
| 04:38.21 | WormFood | and my computer was too slow to watch the pbs hd feed....but it was nice what I could see of it |
| 04:38.35 | wwasher | should i head over to #gphoto or to #eog for the following: i use gphoto2 to pull photos off the camera; it says all's well, but when i view them in eog, it tells me they're have a corrupted memory profile. |
| 04:38.55 | voltagex | aaaaand mythtv is up |
| 04:39.00 | iKernel | wwasher, have you tried a different program |
| 04:39.08 | iKernel | wwasher, about from eog |
| 04:39.32 | iKernel | wwasher, s/about/apart |
| 04:39.43 | WormFood | I like gthumb myself...I didn't care for eog much |
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| 04:40.35 | phorce1 | voltagex: My rotor isn't dead on true-south so I'm having to fudge the satellite locations a bit by hand. I have the positions stored in the rotor memory but none of the Linux programs seem to support using stored positions properly. |
| 04:40.55 | iKernel | wwasher, try opening the file in the gimp or something |
| 04:40.56 | voltagex | no idea, dvb-t here |
| 04:41.19 | WormFood | I've never gotten to play with dvb-t, only dvb-s for me |
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| 04:41.26 | wwasher | iKernel : erm, not really. i put them on the samba share and found that the windows's photoshop wouldn't touch them. ah. gimp. silly me. |
| 04:41.37 | wwasher | iKernel : duh. forgot all about gimp |
| 04:42.07 | phorce1 | wwasher: for test viewing even iceweasel |
| 04:42.29 | phorce1 | although the gimp might tell you more of what's wrong with the iage |
| 04:42.41 | phorce1 | s/iage/image |
| 04:43.05 | WormFood | iceweasel...what a gay name....names like that is why Linux will never be taken seriously by businesses and the rest of the world |
| 04:44.05 | voltagex | I need to access my NTFS drives as a non-root user. |
| 04:44.08 | voltagex | how can I do this? |
| 04:44.12 | wwasher | dang. gimp looks a lot different than the last time i used it |
| 04:44.34 | phorce1 | WormFood: so, what, they should have picked "FlameWolf" to stay nearer the FireFox heritage |
| 04:44.37 | phorce1 | ? |
| 04:44.41 | WormFood | does anyone know of a commercial free music stream that plays classic rock or heavy metal? (the stream I usually listen to is down right now) |
| 04:44.42 | wwasher | no errors from gimp on the console |
| 04:45.05 | phorce1 | wwasher: and the picture displays fine? |
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| 04:45.43 | wwasher | phorce1 : looks ok. hmm |
| 04:46.11 | voltagex | WormFood: try #freenode for that. |
| 04:46.18 | LimCore | wtf O______________________o ! |
| 04:46.18 | voltagex | hmm, what's the offtopic chan again?! |
| 04:46.20 | LimCore | most strange bug ever... CapsLock do not work. In VT, capslock uppercases only some keys, in example Q R T but e c are lower case O_o wtf? |
| 04:46.22 | phorce1 | wwasher: I, personally, just pull the card out of my camera and dump the files using a reader mounted as a drive. Less likelyhood of some "smart" program hosing up the original data. |
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| 04:48.05 | voltagex | I get permission denied trying to access my drive as a normal user |
| 04:48.17 | WormFood | I've never had a problem with gphoto (except trying to figure out the right options)....but I prefer to do it like phorce1 says with a reader |
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| 04:48.52 | WormFood | voltagex, have you tried it as root? |
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| 04:49.20 | phorce1 | voltagex: fix the permissions on the mount point. |
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| 04:49.42 | orudie | hi can anyone tell me how to locate a specific file through terminal ? thanx |
| 04:49.52 | voltagex | phorce1: I dont want to chmod my whole drive, WormFood: works as root |
| 04:50.17 | phorce1 | voltagex: and since it should appear the same each time it's plugged in create an entry for it in /etc/fstab. |
| 04:50.57 | voltagex | phorce1: what's the option to enable access for all users? |
| 04:51.09 | phorce1 | voltagex: Oh -- we were talking about grabbing stuff from usb cards on cameras. I didn't realize you were talking about something different |
| 04:51.24 | voltagex | heh |
| 04:51.25 | voltagex | still |
| 04:51.31 | TehUni | i'm looking at creating a dedicated Virtual Machine host (debian box, 64bit, 1.5tb storage, hardware raid5). what would be a good filesystem for holding the VMs themselves? Been using linux for years, but never ventured from ext3. |
| 04:52.00 | phorce1 | voltagex: paste your /etc/fstab to a pastebin so I can compare it to mine |
| 04:52.08 | voltagex | all i need is the command to make it readable for all users |
| 04:52.16 | voltagex | how can I pastebin from the commnd line? |
| 04:52.23 | WormFood | TehUni, I like ext3 because it is very well supported....but don't know, there may be better options out there for your specific application |
| 04:52.55 | phorce1 | voltagex: actually, all of my entries except for a storage drive I added are just "defaults" |
| 04:53.03 | TehUni | WormFood: i just don't know much about others. the exception here is that it's obviously working (almost always) with very large files (2-60gigs), and very rarely any small ones. |
| 04:53.04 | wwasher | phorce1 : prolly a good idea. i've been using a reader on the windows printer. but it's windows. *sigh* |
| 04:53.15 | WormFood | phorce1, did you add your user to the correct group? |
| 04:53.18 | LimCore | damn cryptsetup fails on me with "unable to obtain sector size" how to fix that |
| 04:53.34 | voltagex | :/ |
| 04:53.57 | phorce1 | voltagex: the storage drive I added has the "user" option |
| 04:54.10 | WormFood | damn! it is almost 1pm here, I need to get back to work, if I am to ever finish what I'm doing...l8r |
| 04:54.26 | phorce1 | WormFood: my drives work. voltagex is having trouble doing anything on his as a normal user |
| 04:54.49 | voltagex | phorce1: so does mine |
| 04:55.30 | phorce1 | voltagex: What are you trying to do as a user that doesn't work? |
| 04:55.42 | voltagex | cd to the drive for a start! |
| 04:56.01 | voltagex | -bash: cd: /mnt/disk2: Permission denied |
| 04:56.30 | phorce1 | voltagex: OK, what is mounted there? And does it have an fstab entry? |
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| 04:57.19 | voltagex | http://rafb.net/p/WJ53P459.html |
| 04:57.27 | vvd | when i install something with aptitude i get "database /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db failed to load." but everything else is fine. should i worry? |
| 04:58.04 | voltagex | I need to mount sda sda1 sda2 sda3 sda5 sdb sdb1 sdc sdc1 |
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| 04:58.19 | voltagex | oops, only the ones with the numbers, and 2 and 5 are already mounted |
| 04:58.32 | liable | vvd: sid? i think its a bug, i see it also.. |
| 04:58.58 | vvd | liable: lenny with some sid |
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| 04:59.24 | liable | has been too lazy to check bts |
| 04:59.26 | phorce1 | voltagex: the entry for my USB drive that I carry around is "#LABEL=portadrive /mnt/portadrive ext3 defaults,user,noauto 0 0" and permissions on the mount point are all root:root 755 |
| 05:00.25 | phorce1 | voltagex: Oh, you're mounting an NTFS partition. |
| 05:00.56 | voltagex | yes |
| 05:00.57 | voltagex | :P |
| 05:01.11 | phorce1 | !tell voltagex about ntfs |
| 05:01.12 | voltagex | sorry, still need to boot xp from time to time and ext3 ifs drivers are annoying |
| 05:01.19 | voltagex | thanks |
| 05:01.57 | phorce1 | voltagex: what you can do on the partitions depends more on the drivers than the fstab entries. |
| 05:02.00 | voltagex | I thought the permissions settings were still the same |
| 05:02.14 | voltagex | well I can't even cd to it so there's a problem |
| 05:02.33 | phorce1 | but you can as root, right? |
| 05:02.52 | voltagex | yes |
| 05:03.26 | phorce1 | voltagex: try changing the fstab entry to defaults,user,noauto |
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| 05:03.56 | phorce1 | voltagex: if you're using the standard read-only drivers then it may be balking at the 'rw' |
| 05:04.54 | phorce1 | has a separate computer for "booting XP" |
| 05:05.01 | voltagex | blah |
| 05:05.03 | voltagex | not working |
| 05:05.10 | voltagex | -bash: cd: /mnt/disk2: Permission denied |
| 05:05.25 | voltagex | all dmesg says is NTFS volume version 3.1. |
| 05:05.28 | phorce1 | ls -la /mnt |
| 05:05.55 | voltagex | erm, better not paste that in here |
| 05:06.32 | voltagex | http://rafb.net/p/8if41i78.html |
| 05:07.08 | voltagex | chmodding the actual mountpoints to 755 worked |
| 05:07.56 | phorce1 | voltagex: uhhhh ---- only root has access to "disk2" "drwx------ 1 root root 20480 2008-03-23 10:26 disk2" |
| 05:08.50 | phorce1 | voltagex: chmod 755 /mnt/disk2 (and 1,4,5) |
| 05:09.10 | phorce1 | voltagex: and |
| 05:09.11 | voltagex | yeah, fixed |
| 05:09.21 | voltagex | thanks |
| 05:09.22 | phorce1 | !tell voltagex about ntfsro |
| 05:09.35 | voltagex | now I just need to beat this avertv dvb card into submission |
| 05:09.41 | voltagex | *glares at it* |
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| 05:10.44 | phorce1 | has been playing with the DVB-S card on the linux box for about 8 weeks now. Saw video first time 3 days ago. |
| 05:11.06 | Ryan52 | If I add these dns records to my bind configs it makes my entire server blow up...I want to have round robin...how can I do this right? |
| 05:11.09 | Ryan52 | proxy IN CNAME proxy1 |
| 05:11.11 | Ryan52 | proxy IN CNAME proxy2 |
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| 05:11.46 | voltagex | phorce1: I've had this card working before... it's just not behaving now |
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| 05:13.10 | phorce1 | Ryan52: use A records |
| 05:13.20 | phorce1 | http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/e0f49958-f290-49fc-adb4-71ed8deefd621033.mspx?mfr=true |
| 05:13.25 | voltagex | where do I go to add options to a module so that it loads correctly on boot? |
| 05:13.46 | phorce1 | don't say a word about that link, it happens to be good info |
| 05:14.08 | phorce1 | about round robin |
| 05:14.11 | Ryan52 | thanks |
| 05:14.31 | voltagex | aaaaaargh. card still not working correctly |
| 05:14.42 | Ryan52 | when I googled I skipped over it cause it was microsoft...but I now see that its usefule |
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| 05:15.49 | phorce1 | voltagex: /etc/modules (man modules) |
| 05:16.33 | phorce1 | Ryan52: When it popped to the top using "round robin dns entries |
| 05:16.45 | phorce1 | Ryan52: I thought it might be OK |
| 05:17.00 | phorce1 | it loads funny though. freakin active pages |
| 05:17.08 | voltagex | phorce1: what about modprobe.d? |
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| 05:17.17 | voltagex | seesharp |
| 05:17.25 | voltagex | wtf |
| 05:17.27 | voltagex | wrong window |
| 05:19.06 | phorce1 | voltagex: probably there too. My brain is still stuck back around Debian Bo |
| 05:20.35 | voltagex | I need to add some options to a module, seems to be ignoring /etc/modprobe.d/saa7134 |
| 05:22.05 | phorce1 | voltagex: try listing it in /etc/modules if it always loads at boot time. modprobe.d is probably better for USB stuff though if you don't want the module to stay in memory when the device isn't connected. |
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| 05:26.59 | Shadow_mil | Ummmmmmmmm..... quick question |
| 05:27.07 | Shadow_mil | when I plug in headphones |
| 05:27.23 | Shadow_mil | why do they no take the sound off the speakers |
| 05:27.24 | Shadow_mil | ? |
| 05:28.03 | LimCore | Shadow_mil: hardware |
| 05:28.22 | Shadow_mil | LimCore, I don't think so, it aways worked before |
| 05:28.55 | Shadow_mil | always* |
| 05:29.43 | phorce1 | voltagex: did you do depmod -a after making the addition to /etc/modules.d/ ? |
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| 05:50.29 | Shadow_mil | knew it was not a hardware problem :P |
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| 06:02.44 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:02.45 | dpkg | [qotd113] greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
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| 06:17.59 | msan | Anyone getting a DB_RUNRECOVERY error with aptitude in lenny/testing ? Is there a workaround for it ? |
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| 06:19.47 | Shadow_mil | Good night all! |
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| 06:24.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | can we help you? |
| 06:24.55 | liable | i would guess its a bot |
| 06:26.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | so would i, but its worth asking |
| 06:26.10 | FireBot602QLQ407 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.10 | Guerin_ | no, it's not |
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| 06:26.12 | Guerin_ | !ops |
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| 06:26.13 | dpkg | hmm... ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 06:26.20 | Guerin_ | ah, teh stew |
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| 06:27.45 | sauvin | I just re-installed debian. Problem: it installed AMD64. How to convert to convert the system to K7 (32 bit)? If that's a problem, how to tell the install DVD to install a K7 image? |
| 06:28.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | you reinstall using a 32bit install cd |
| 06:28.33 | sauvin | I don't have a 32bit install CD. What I have is a multiarch DVD. |
| 06:29.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | press f1 when the dvd loads and look at the options. debian32 or something like that at the boot prompt |
| 06:29.32 | sauvin | Now THAT sounds like a wonderful idea. |
| 06:29.39 | sauvin | See you again in half an hour! :D |
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| 06:45.15 | Ryan52 | So I setup a reverse proxy with this config file: http://pastebin.ca/953668 The only problem is that the server with the ip 192.168.254.55 has virtual hosts for wiki and todo. So whenever I go to wiki it takes me to todo. How can I fix this? |
| 06:45.52 | env- | specify the right port? |
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| 06:46.36 | EtherNet | hello guys |
| 06:47.07 | EtherNet | what package have "play" binary for playing music files under console? cause my default debian installation doesn't have it. |
| 06:47.21 | Guerin_ | EtherNet: try sox |
| 06:47.27 | Guerin_ | i think it's in there |
| 06:47.37 | streuner_ | EtherNet: apt-cache search /bin/play ? |
| 06:47.46 | streuner_ | !find /bin/play |
| 06:47.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/bin/play' (8 of 14): (/usr/bin/play) in sound/sox ;; (/usr/bin/playwav) in comm/vpb-utils ;; (/usr/bin/playem.pl) in gnome/pimppa ;; (/usr/bin/playmidi) in sound/playmidi ;; (/usr/bin/play_cell) in graphics/vamps ;; (/usr/bin/playbucket) in sound/nas-bin ;; (/usr/bin/playdv) in graphics/libdv-bin ;; (/usr/bin/playSIP) in net/livemedia-utils. |
| 06:48.02 | Ryan52 | ya... |
| 06:48.26 | EtherNet | cool sox then |
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| 06:48.31 | EtherNet | thank you so much |
| 06:49.00 | liable | cplay is nice for console |
| 06:50.43 | streuner_ | bplay also works |
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| 06:51.16 | streuner_ | !info bplay |
| 06:51.46 | dpkg | bplay: (Buffered audio file player/recorder), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.991-10 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
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| 06:59.01 | streuner_ | Guerin_: How is life today? |
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| 07:10.10 | bony | has any one tried configuring emacs to read mails of gmail through IMAP? i tried with gnus to do the same but couldn't understand how to configure it properly. |
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| 07:16.20 | factor | anyone having a problem with libmagick10 in unstable |
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| 07:16.36 | factor | wonder how I can get around the borked lib problem |
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| 07:17.09 | streuner_ | no solution in BTS? |
| 07:17.32 | factor | what is the url |
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| 07:18.08 | streuner_ | factor: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 07:24.23 | RepairMaster | how can i install flash on epiphany ? |
| 07:25.29 | RepairMaster | how can i install flash on epiphany ? |
| 07:25.32 | damion | doesnt the adobe website have a plugin? |
| 07:25.33 | RepairMaster | how can i install flash on epiphany ? |
| 07:25.40 | RepairMaster | ehm .. sorry |
| 07:26.09 | RepairMaster | me said then i insert a installation path |
| 07:26.50 | RepairMaster | but when i paste , said : Please insert a valid installation path |
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| 07:28.38 | damion | did you download the tarball from the adobe site repair? |
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| 07:29.02 | RepairMaster | yes downloaded |
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| 07:31.13 | dto | hello. will lispbuilder-sdl be included in debian at some point? |
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| 07:31.34 | damion | unpack it then navigate to the directory its in and run it |
| 07:31.48 | RepairMaster | ok , i try it |
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| 07:34.22 | damion | the directions at adobe, where you downloaded the pluging, are pretty concise |
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| 07:38.57 | jetscreamer | shutup |
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| 07:42.40 | RepairMaster | not work |
| 07:42.57 | RepairMaster | WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path. |
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| 07:43.41 | RepairMaster | here is the link : /usr/lib/epiphany-gecko/2.20/ |
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| 07:50.22 | RepairMaster | are anyone here ? |
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| 07:51.15 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 07:52.19 | jetscreamer | no everybody is busy partying |
| 07:52.27 | lymeca | ohh |
| 07:52.31 | lymeca | frohliche easter! |
| 07:52.37 | jetscreamer | you weren't invited? |
| 07:52.41 | jetscreamer | damn we missed you |
| 07:52.50 | mavhc | p.a.r.t. why? internet's broken, nothing else to do |
| 07:52.54 | damion | get crunk! |
| 07:53.16 | jetscreamer | par-tay |
| 07:53.21 | lymeca | I go to a college where the tradition on Easter is to hide a bunch of kegs in the woods and have a scavenger hunt for them |
| 07:53.26 | lymeca | Easter Keg Hunt! |
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| 07:53.37 | jetscreamer | lol good one |
| 07:53.44 | damion | my college runs naked through the redwoods when it rains |
| 07:53.53 | jetscreamer | bad one |
| 07:53.57 | lymeca | haha |
| 07:54.10 | jetscreamer | well maybe some good |
| 07:54.36 | damion | dude youd rather drink than see some pootang running through the forest? |
| 07:54.43 | jetscreamer | is that the way the college saves money on showers? |
| 07:54.54 | damion | haha yea |
| 07:54.58 | jetscreamer | but what if they're all fat and ugly |
| 07:55.04 | damion | they keep increasing the fees |
| 07:55.08 | damion | well |
| 07:55.28 | damion | re: fat and ugly. according to outdoor magazine we are the fittest college in the country |
| 07:55.36 | jetscreamer | yay team |
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| 07:55.47 | lymeca | we rate on High Time's top ten stoner schools |
| 07:56.00 | damion | so do we |
| 07:56.04 | damion | llol |
| 07:56.14 | lymeca | and we have an annual Halloween party where everyone eats psychedelics |
| 07:56.17 | lymeca | Trip of Treat! |
| 07:56.19 | lymeca | *or |
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| 07:56.46 | damion | where do you go to school? |
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| 07:57.13 | lymeca | you have more than enough google info |
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| 07:57.23 | lymeca | I don't for you however ;-) |
| 07:57.48 | damion | what is it with people here referring everyone to google? |
| 07:58.27 | mavhc | ask google |
| 07:58.46 | damion | lol |
| 08:00.05 | damion | cmon man where do you go to school? |
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| 08:03.50 | damion | does it even matter that im running a 686 kernel and a 1st gen athlon? |
| 08:04.02 | damion | ive heard it doesnt |
| 08:04.54 | lkthomas | try it then |
| 08:05.02 | lkthomas | install both kerenl |
| 08:05.16 | damion | i have and i dont see a diff |
| 08:05.17 | lkthomas | if 686 doesn't boot, use 386 kernel to boot up and remove it |
| 08:05.28 | damion | they both boot and run fine |
| 08:05.29 | lkthomas | if you could boot up, that means it does support |
| 08:05.50 | lkthomas | you wouldn't see speed diff until you compile kernel on your own |
| 08:06.02 | damion | yeah |
| 08:06.08 | lkthomas | that's usual thing |
| 08:06.26 | damion | there is no way im ready to do that |
| 08:07.00 | damion | anyone in the usa using comcast internet? |
| 08:09.12 | liable | !anyone use comcast internet? |
| 08:09.12 | dpkg | No, no one uses comcast internet, not even the people who use it. |
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| 08:24.40 | yigal | xzgv is breaking pretty no matter what I ask it to do, update thumbnails, open pictures etc.? |
| 08:24.58 | yigal | I'm not sure what is going on? |
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| 08:33.43 | sauvin | I have copied sources.lst from an older debian install (both etch). Getting a lot of "cannot stat; no such file or directory" errors. I presume authentication is required. Howto? |
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| 08:37.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell sauvin about sources.list |
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| 08:41.07 | dutchfish | hi, on debian etch how can i run suphp along witch apache2 and php5? |
| 08:41.57 | dutchfish | do i need to compile suphp for that myself? |
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| 08:47.54 | kokotX | anybody have seen problems with Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) ? i tried all possible, device works, but i dont hear any sound |
| 08:48.13 | sauvin | I've edited /etc/apt/sources.list. I've run apt-get update. I'm still getting 404 on some of the repos. Isn't there some kind of gpg key that has to be installed or imported or something? |
| 08:48.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | sauvin, pastebin the error and we may be able to help |
| 08:49.26 | cahoot | kokotX: used speaker-test for testing? |
| 08:49.42 | sauvin | Working... |
| 08:50.12 | kokotX | cahoot: no, but even cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp is not producing noise |
| 08:50.40 | sauvin | Kamping_Kaiser, here's what I'm getting... http://pastebin.ca/953734 |
| 08:50.41 | cahoot | that's testing alsas ossemulation |
| 08:51.09 | cahoot | kokotX: used speaker-test for plain alsa |
| 08:51.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | sauvin, read the instructions on debian-multimedia.org to fix those errors |
| 08:52.01 | kokotX | cahoot: yes it is giving values like : Time per period = 2.986781 ... |
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| 08:52.16 | cahoot | and silence? |
| 08:52.18 | sauvin | hies to do precisely that |
| 08:52.20 | kokotX | yes |
| 08:53.31 | Octopssy | Hi, I would like to resize my existing drive with knoppix gparted on a livecd, only now starting it (gparted) as su I get "Unable to open /dev/hda (Read-only file system). is there a way to fix this? I need to resize dev/hda for a new partition |
| 08:53.38 | cahoot | kokotX: the usual suspect is the alsa module not being 'new' enough - what alsa version do you have? |
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| 08:54.48 | ledlamp | Can I install portage on Debian? |
| 08:54.57 | kokotX | it is quite new laptop model, but the audio chipset does not look unusual to me. all installed from testing yesterday. |
| 08:55.04 | damion | this might be a dumb question, but are the lenny repositories inclusive or exclusive or etch repos? |
| 08:55.09 | streuner_ | ledlamp: sounds like gentoo :-) |
| 08:55.18 | cahoot | kokotX: what kernel/alsa version do you have |
| 08:55.26 | valdyn | damion: they are independent and dont contain etch |
| 08:55.39 | kokotX | is looking how to see alsa version |
| 08:55.50 | ledlamp | streuner_: yes, I think it'd be great if I can combine Debian with Gentoo's portage :) |
| 08:55.54 | cahoot | kokotX: cat /proc/asound/version |
| 08:56.04 | streuner_ | ledlamp: but you could (of course) compile every single package for yourself :-) |
| 08:56.06 | damion | i can then use etch and lenny repos concurrently? |
| 08:56.11 | streuner_ | in Debian |
| 08:56.12 | valdyn | damion: no |
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| 08:56.30 | damion | thanks val |
| 08:56.42 | kokotX | cahoot: alsa : Version 1.0.15 , kernel : custom made 2.6.24 |
| 08:56.55 | streuner_ | ledlamp: exept packages out of non-free |
| 08:57.00 | valdyn | damion: just ask what you really need because its not as simple yes/no as it seems |
| 08:57.04 | cahoot | kokotX: seems fresh enough |
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| 08:57.33 | cahoot | kokotX: run alsamixer and make sure it's unmuted |
| 08:57.46 | damion | well, im running debian lenny but i wanted to know if i could also you programs that ran ok on etch |
| 08:57.48 | ledlamp | so it's not possible? |
| 08:58.00 | kokotX | cahoot: you must be joking ;) |
| 08:58.04 | streuner_ | ledlamp: to compile packages? sure |
| 08:58.13 | sauvin | Is debian-multimedia.org offline or down? |
| 08:58.13 | valdyn | damion: about all programs available in etch are available in lenny |
| 08:58.15 | ledlamp | no to install emerge.portage |
| 08:58.20 | cahoot | kokotX: not really |
| 08:58.32 | damion | thats what i needed to know val |
| 08:58.35 | kokotX | cahoot: but thanks for your help anyway |
| 08:58.36 | damion | =) |
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| 08:58.40 | streuner_ | ledlamp: emerge? nope, not that i know |
| 08:58.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | sauvin, its very much there |
| 08:59.30 | sauvin | Then the instructions for fixing apt-get update errors might be incomplete? |
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| 09:00.06 | streuner_ | ledlamp: why do you think you need that at all? |
| 09:00.08 | kokotX | cahoot: i even tried to install 'some other OS' to check if they did not forget to connect the audio hardware ;)) |
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| 09:00.40 | ledlamp | streuner_: why not? |
| 09:00.42 | ledlamp | :) |
| 09:00.52 | streuner_ | !gentoosmite ledlamp |
| 09:00.52 | dpkg | spends 7 days recompiling ledlamp, and when it's all done, ledlamp runs 0.2% faster than previously |
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| 09:00.57 | cahoot | kokotX: your'e aware that mute status is different from sound 'level'? |
| 09:01.12 | streuner_ | ledlamp: useless |
| 09:01.16 | kokotX | cahoot: yes |
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| 09:01.31 | cahoot | kokotX: ok - not everyone is |
| 09:02.25 | ledlamp | streuner_: okay, so be it. |
| 09:02.27 | cahoot | kokotX: on my laptop there's a dedicated speaker function to toggle in alsamixer |
| 09:03.03 | kokotX | cahoot: really ? how is that ? |
| 09:03.28 | sauvin | What's the syntax for capturing both stdout and stderr to the same file? |
| 09:03.39 | vanksi | how can i make my ssh tunnel reconnect when it goes down? |
| 09:03.40 | streuner_ | ledlamp: dude, if you cannot even mention one single reason why you think you need that, nobody can answer your question then |
| 09:03.45 | valdyn | sauvin: 2>&1 > file |
| 09:03.47 | ledlamp | different question: when will the next release be there? 08? 09? |
| 09:03.51 | kokotX | cahoot: it shold work the same like from alsamixergui |
| 09:03.52 | cahoot | kokotX: a lenovo t61 using Analog Devices AD1984 for sound |
| 09:03.53 | vanksi | sort of an auto-reconnect for ssh tunnels |
| 09:03.58 | sauvin | valdyn, thanks. |
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| 09:07.25 | sauvin | I'm still having troubles with apt-get repos - output from apt-get update: http://pastebin.ca/953739 |
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| 09:08.35 | streuner_ | sauvin: comment the line(s) with debian-multimedia.org |
| 09:08.40 | trunix | sauvin: paste you sources.list somewhere |
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| 09:09.26 | streuner_ | sauvin: or do what trunix told you and fix sources.list |
| 09:10.02 | sauvin | sources.lst: http://pastebin.ca/953740 |
| 09:10.37 | sauvin | This was working very well a few hours ago on the other debian install on this very computer, but I think there had been something to do with gpg before any of this stuff would work. |
| 09:10.59 | sauvin | And commenting out multimedia won't fix the problems with unofficial. |
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| 09:11.27 | streuner_ | sauvin: you need 2 lines usually |
| 09:11.43 | streuner_ | sauvin: 1) for official mirror 2) security line |
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| 09:11.54 | wfq | hi guys |
| 09:12.19 | sauvin | That may be true of official debian repos, but "unofficial", wouldn't it be likely that'd be a tad different? |
| 09:13.04 | streuner_ | sauvin: dont use un-official mirrors, if you want debian-multimedia, just visit the website - its mentioned there HOW to use it |
| 09:13.23 | wfq | I have just set up my graphic card in debian lenny but the windows are not taking the whole screen |
| 09:13.27 | sauvin | Tried that. Followed the instructions. Files still don't stat. |
| 09:13.59 | wfq | I can get the resolution I wanted but windows appear only to get the 3/4 of the screen |
| 09:14.00 | streuner_ | well, mail Marillat then |
| 09:14.01 | wfq | any idea? |
| 09:14.12 | streuner_ | about and tell him what's going on |
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| 09:15.17 | sauvin | just copies _all_ the stuff from his old /etc/apt and notes that apt-get magically works now... but why? Same sources.list. |
| 09:15.44 | danix | how can i change kdm to gdm ? |
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| 09:15.56 | streuner_ | apt-get install gdm |
| 09:16.09 | streuner_ | ehm, aptitute install gdm |
| 09:16.12 | danix | i have installed but how it change ? |
| 09:16.29 | trunix | danix: install gdm then you can choose between kdm / gdm |
| 09:16.37 | trunix | just do as root apt-get install gdm |
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| 09:16.47 | trunix | or .. aptitude install gdm like streuner_ said |
| 09:16.47 | danix | and how reinstall gdm |
| 09:16.51 | danix | i have installed gdm |
| 09:17.09 | trunix | danix: apt-get --purge remove gdm / then apt-get install gdm |
| 09:17.33 | danix | ok , i try |
| 09:18.46 | danix | but i want remove gnome |
| 09:18.56 | streuner_ | !remove gnome |
| 09:18.57 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 09:19.38 | danix | can i using gnome ? |
| 09:19.52 | danix | or i must remove gnome ? |
| 09:20.01 | trunix | .. what do you want ? |
| 09:20.13 | danix | using gdm with gnome |
| 09:20.25 | trunix | 17:16 < danix> but i want remove gnome |
| 09:20.40 | danix | sorry , my bad english |
| 09:20.53 | trunix | ok so you don't want kdm ? |
| 09:21.12 | trunix | apt-get --purge remove kdm , try this then it should autmatic choose gdm |
| 09:21.23 | danix | ok , i try again |
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| 09:21.44 | trunix | danix: did you alrady removed gdm?? |
| 09:22.07 | danix | no , i canceled |
| 09:22.11 | trunix | kk |
| 09:22.17 | Jemt | Greetz. I have a question regarding GRUB; I have installed Debian onto a USB Flash device and expect to use it on several different computers with different hardware. Does it make sense that the device.map file contains anything? Shouldn't I just remove the content? |
| 09:23.58 | trunix | Jemt: dunno anything about "device.map" but if you wanan boou it from many computers .. you need to change the bios settings ? or . ? |
| 09:24.05 | jaakko | Jemt: I think the device.map is used when installing grub, not when using. But I would like to know more too. |
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| 09:24.25 | Jemt | trunix: Yea, or using a Boot Menu |
| 09:24.39 | trunix | kk |
| 09:24.46 | Jemt | jaakko: That's how I understand it too (http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/ch07s04.html#sec:grub.map) |
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| 09:26.08 | iateadonu1 | my system keeps freezing up... after the last freeze, there was only this in the /var/log/messages: Mar 23 17:06:48 debian -- MARK -- Mar 23 17:16:01 debian syslogd 1.5.0#2: restart. |
| 09:26.17 | jaakko | Jemt: Grub woun't install without it and removing afterwards does not have any affect, I think. |
| 09:26.26 | iateadonu1 | i think the first one is around where it froze, and the second one is where i just booted it up this time. |
| 09:26.52 | jaakko | Jemt: Can you boot Grub now, or do you have real/theoretical issue with grub? :) |
| 09:27.50 | jaakko | iateadonu1: what is your system, debian stable? |
| 09:27.59 | Jemt | jaakko: GRUB boots fine - I just didn't want it to contain information about the machine from which I created the installation :) |
| 09:28.13 | iateadonu1 | just upgraded to lenny... but this happened before the upgrade also. |
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| 09:29.05 | iateadonu1 | it happened with other distro's too, so i think it could be a hardware problem... however, i did memtest and that showed up nothing... maybe i did the memtest wrong... |
| 09:29.38 | kgoetz | perhaps its not a memory problem ... |
| 09:30.32 | iateadonu1 | it's got to be a hardware problem or configuration problem. my work laptop runs mandriva and debian without ever stalling, while this old desktop freezes up all the time. |
| 09:30.38 | jaakko | Jemt: Some computers boot only "usb fdd" or "usb hdd". So your usb may not boot in every computer even usb boot is supported. |
| 09:31.01 | iateadonu1 | incidentally, i tried mandriva one on someone's laptop recently and it froze up towards the login screen. |
| 09:31.09 | iateadonu1 | (an old laptop) |
| 09:31.15 | kgoetz | iateadonu1: theres lots of things that can go wrong - powersupply, caps on motherboard, other components |
| 09:31.16 | Jemt | jaakko: Does that have anything to do with the device.map file ? |
| 09:31.30 | Jemt | jaakko: I can't make it boot on Acer laptop you see - don't know if that's the reason |
| 09:32.08 | jaakko | Jemt: No. You may try "pendrivelinux", it is easy to install, just "dd" to usb, it will boot as usb-fdd. |
| 09:32.09 | iateadonu1 | is there any software way to find out what the problem is? some log somewhere? |
| 09:32.21 | Jemt | jaakko: Ok, thanks |
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| 09:32.43 | Jemt | jaakko: Thanks for all your input - I will experiment a little with GRUB later. I like to know how thinks work :) |
| 09:32.49 | Jemt | Later :) |
| 09:32.50 | kgoetz | there are lots of testing tools. i wouldnt be able to recomend any per se |
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| 09:33.28 | ricosecada | Anyone with experience in using ucarp? |
| 09:34.10 | jaakko | iateadonu1: what desktop/window manger do you have? |
| 09:34.40 | damion | is there an archieve manager like fileroller that runs on fluxbox without all the gnome crap> |
| 09:34.42 | iateadonu1 | gnome |
| 09:35.08 | iateadonu1 | i'm using debian/gnome now, but it will also freeze up on mandriva/kde |
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| 09:35.32 | iateadonu1 | and naturally, i'll install kde or components if that is how to do diagnostics. |
| 09:36.01 | jaakko | iateadonu1: How did you do the memtest, did you let it run for hours? |
| 09:36.19 | iateadonu1 | no? are you supposed to? |
| 09:36.28 | iateadonu1 | i just waited until it said "pass" |
| 09:36.51 | jaakko | iateadonu1: It is doing many tests and it says "pass" after each one |
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| 09:37.24 | yigal | does anyone know if there is an alternative to XMP for adding meta data? |
| 09:37.28 | iateadonu1 | it had got to the point where it finished and started over. it took about 45 minutes. |
| 09:37.30 | jaakko | iateadonu1: and one test is disabled by default, you could enable it too (it takes 90 minits in my puter) |
| 09:37.31 | yigal | alternative == open source |
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| 09:37.53 | iateadonu1 | ok. i'll try the memtest again. |
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| 09:38.14 | iateadonu1 | memtest only tests ram, right? |
| 09:38.23 | kgoetz | yes |
| 09:38.53 | jaakko | iateadonu1: that really sounds like hardware problem. Or bad driver. did you install proprietary drivers (all distros you tested)? |
| 09:39.17 | iateadonu1 | and it can give you output for configuring bad-ram, right? |
| 09:39.23 | iateadonu1 | i have not installed any drivers at all. |
| 09:39.38 | kgoetz | left memtest running for 50 hours before declaring a system ok. it was 39 passes |
| 09:40.32 | iateadonu1 | why would you do that? have you done memtest before and found a system bad on the 20th pass but not the first 19? |
| 09:40.59 | kgoetz | yes. because the ram heats up and defects can only start to kick in while warm/hot |
| 09:41.29 | iateadonu1 | i see. in fact, this problem occurs more in the summertime and used to happen VERY frequently before i got a new fan! |
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| 09:41.30 | jaakko | iateadonu1: that is possible. I get more errors when ram is cold. May be bad soldering. |
| 09:41.54 | iateadonu1 | thanks. |
| 09:42.18 | kgoetz | worth pointing out the CPU/mobo could overheat (basically anything that feels to hot is to hot !) |
| 09:42.36 | iateadonu1 | anyone happen to know the apt-get command for installing apache2 LAMP on debian? |
| 09:42.44 | iateadonu1 | right. i'll keep that in mind. |
| 09:43.02 | iateadonu1 | what's the tool for controlling my CPU speed? |
| 09:43.30 | ComradeHaz | laptopmodetools ? |
| 09:43.45 | env- | lamp is more of a name giving that that configuration |
| 09:44.05 | env- | install apache, mysql and php seperately through apt-get |
| 09:44.23 | kgoetz | is there a lamp task for tasksel? |
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| 09:44.57 | Pulpie | hey |
| 09:45.50 | kgoetz | :) |
| 09:45.52 | Pulpie | anyone know what the opengl dev package is called |
| 09:46.04 | Pulpie | apt-cache search replies with so much crap |
| 09:46.20 | Penix | search harder |
| 09:46.32 | Pulpie | i have searched for a lot of things man. |
| 09:46.39 | Pulpie | I was just asking if any happened to know it |
| 09:46.40 | HNS-I | Hello. I can't open any root applications(or applications with root) from gnome desktop and the update manager displays an error. I have checked some logs but can't find any errors. Maybe someone knows where to look? |
| 09:46.56 | Pulpie | HNS-I: su root |
| 09:46.57 | cahoot | use sudo or sux |
| 09:47.01 | kgoetz | Pulpie: perhaps use packages.debian.org to search |
| 09:47.03 | HNS-I | that workd |
| 09:47.18 | HNS-I | s/workd/works |
| 09:47.22 | Penix | HNS-I: why are you running apps as root? |
| 09:47.28 | HNS-I | whatever dude |
| 09:47.50 | Pulpie | Penix: let morons do what they need to do... |
| 09:47.53 | HNS-I | don't give me a religious lesson, giv eme an answer. I'm opening administrations apps |
| 09:47.56 | damion | so i installed fluxbox on a base system. how can it to boot fluxbox automatically? |
| 09:48.08 | damion | i dont want to type startx everytime i boot |
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| 09:48.20 | Penix | religious. heh |
| 09:48.21 | kgoetz | HNS-I: well, you just stopped a few people wanting to help you |
| 09:48.28 | Penix | got that right |
| 09:48.51 | sauvin | man, re-installing debian is a ${swearword} less painful than re-installing Windows! |
| 09:49.01 | Pulpie | damion: add your dm to the daemons |
| 09:49.14 | damion | and does anyone use pan? how can i get that sucker to connect to more than 4 peers at once? |
| 09:49.14 | HNS-I | kgoetz:Well maybe I don't want to be helped by any retoric spitting drones. |
| 09:49.27 | Penix | HNS-I: it was a simple question |
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| 09:49.42 | ComradeHaz | [09:48:51] <sauvin> man, re-installing debian is a ${swearword} less painful than re-installing Windows! «--- why would you want to?! :D |
| 09:49.46 | Penix | you can interperet it how you like |
| 09:49.48 | kgoetz | HNS-I: maybe you dont. maybe you wont find out if you did. |
| 09:49.54 | kgoetz | ComradeHaz: exactly waht i was goin to say :) |
| 09:50.01 | Pulpie | packages.debian.org seem to be down right now |
| 09:50.11 | HNS-I | Penix: It's an adminstrative task in gnome why NOT open with root? |
| 09:50.19 | sauvin | I wouldn't. I just accomplished more in three hours than I would have in a WEEK working with Windows. |
| 09:50.26 | damion | is profanity allowed in this room? |
| 09:50.33 | ComradeHaz | fuck no |
| 09:50.40 | Penix | HNS-I: <HNS-I> Hello. I can't open any root applications(or applications with root) from gnome desktop |
| 09:50.42 | damion | lol |
| 09:50.51 | sauvin | shits his britches at ComradeHaz' language |
| 09:50.54 | damion | im making a movie about asshole linux admins |
| 09:51.00 | Pulpie | damion: This is a god damn family channel |
| 09:51.00 | Penix | HNS-I: that to me can look like you might be running random things as root, when there's a safer alternative |
| 09:51.22 | Pulpie | damion: let me guess "lusers" |
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| 09:51.28 | Penix | HNS-I: if you don't want someone to offer some possible help, that's fine, but don't attack others, projecting your shit on people |
| 09:51.30 | Pulpie | is the movie titel? |
| 09:51.50 | damion | no title yet.l just a script |
| 09:51.56 | sauvin | I won't personally start getting excited about language unless it starts targeting $people or $alleged_proclivities, although $religion is also something of a nono for me. |
| 09:52.01 | Pulpie | I have a great story about an asshole server owner... |
| 09:52.06 | damion | and some editors and cameramen on board |
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| 09:52.11 | Penix | Pulpie: join the club ;) |
| 09:52.11 | Pulpie | Hired me as the server admin |
| 09:52.25 | HNS-I | Penix: You are an idiot and you are projecting shit. |
| 09:52.36 | Pulpie | O_O |
| 09:52.36 | iateadonu1 | this is not very debian, but... i've got a cron alarm clock (playing mplayer) and i want to adjust the time it starts each morning dynamically to the sunset; ways to do this: 1) an if php statement that runs in cron every minute but is only valid once a day; 2) a cron that runs once a day that changes another cron file; is there anything wrong with 1) and is there a better way? |
| 09:52.42 | Penix | this list is getting too long |
| 09:52.50 | enouf | iateadonu1: cpufreq{d} and acpi pkgs |
| 09:52.54 | damion | its about a linux admin who encounters problems |
| 09:53.04 | damion | like, a car breaking down, or checking into a hotel |
| 09:53.07 | Pulpie | damion: thats like.... |
| 09:53.09 | jaakko | HNS-I: To get graphical apps run as root, you have to copy .Xauthority from users dir to roots dir |
| 09:53.13 | Pulpie | damion: lame |
| 09:53.14 | iateadonu1 | enouf, thank you. |
| 09:53.15 | enouf | iateadonu1: (heh, was answering your earlier question) |
| 09:53.23 | iateadonu1 | yes, i realize. |
| 09:53.30 | Pulpie | jaakko: or sudo/su |
| 09:53.32 | damion | im glad you hate it Pulpie |
| 09:53.53 | jaakko | Pulpie: My sudo does not that |
| 09:54.08 | Pulpie | damion: never said that but whats the point if hes a linux server admin? |
| 09:54.10 | damion | i must be doing something right |
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| 09:54.18 | Pulpie | jaakko: add yourself to sudoers? |
| 09:54.24 | damion | its more about |
| 09:54.28 | damion | the culture |
| 09:54.44 | Pulpie | damion: if its about him going to a motel after his car breaking down... |
| 09:54.48 | HNS-I | Penix: rhetoric spitting dronebot, like that one |
| 09:54.50 | kgoetz | <OT text="Renegates is a fsckin brilliant album" /> |
| 09:54.51 | Pulpie | damion: i don't see the culture |
| 09:54.53 | sauvin | marvels that the debian installer chose the exactly perfect screen resolution for his debian |
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| 09:55.00 | sauvin | erm, laptop |
| 09:55.02 | damion | open source implies all people participating, but irc gurus are generally jerks |
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| 09:55.20 | damion | of course you dont |
| 09:55.22 | jaakko | Pulpie: I don't know if that helps. And I am fine, I just wanted to say one solution if graph apps says "Cannot connect to dislpay" |
| 09:55.24 | damion | lol |
| 09:55.28 | damion | youre on the inside |
| 09:55.36 | damion | alot of people are curious |
| 09:55.37 | HNS-I | jaakko:Thanks but thats not what I want |
| 09:55.44 | damion | and want to be part of open source |
| 09:55.46 | kgoetz | damion: a lot of people dont belive in open source for that matter ;) |
| 09:55.52 | damion | but are discouraged |
| 09:56.00 | damion | because its elitestst |
| 09:56.00 | Pulpie | damion: I can understand that... |
| 09:56.09 | env- | funilly enough |
| 09:56.24 | damion | i totally understand the gurus frustration too |
| 09:56.27 | env- | when i started using linux i foudna support channel where the guys help me for 2 days straight |
| 09:56.29 | Pulpie | damion: that is totally lame that open source is a bit of elitestisic. |
| 09:56.37 | env- | had to install from a netinst cd with no gui |
| 09:56.42 | damion | ive been in public service for years |
| 09:56.45 | Pulpie | damion: ... O_O I need to install gnome-spell :P |
| 09:56.52 | damion | and while i help people i hate them |
| 09:56.53 | env- | to a noob it was pretty rough installing x, etc. |
| 09:57.16 | Pulpie | env-: I didn't have to install x or anything on debian |
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| 09:57.28 | damion | im a noob and i get flamed alot |
| 09:57.36 | damion | i understand |
| 09:57.42 | env- | pulpie: it should come preinstalled |
| 09:57.53 | Pulpie | env-: thats what i said... |
| 09:57.56 | enouf | damion: perpetual pebkac? |
| 09:58.09 | env- | but i wasnt able to get hold of a version that would work with my mobo sata |
| 09:58.14 | damion | pebkac? |
| 09:58.22 | env- | the only one that would work is a 15mb netinst disc |
| 09:58.29 | env- | and i couldnt connect to net at the time |
| 09:58.38 | HNS-I | Penix: Always the same shit, I come on IRC and the first thing that happens is some idiot that just got his redhat exam starts spitting religious crap at me. Or some noob-ass codemonkey that just learned OO starts babbling religious crap about the java-mashups he just learned. |
| 09:58.41 | env- | so had to pull packages off a bunch of older dvds |
| 09:58.44 | enouf | do /msg dpkg pebkac |
| 09:58.51 | env- | and build my installation from that |
| 09:58.52 | damion | no |
| 09:59.16 | damion | just speak english |
| 09:59.23 | HNS-I | ahh now that off my chest |
| 09:59.41 | env- | people taught me how to recompile kernel, how various utilities worked and were generally very helpful |
| 09:59.43 | Pulpie | damnit im just going to compile opengl + dev, how hard can be it? i have been searching for it via apt... cant find it |
| 09:59.45 | enouf | !sunday |
| 09:59.45 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 10:00.05 | Pulpie | what are trolls? |
| 10:00.05 | HNS-I | So soes anyone know in what logfiles to look when I get gnome errors? |
| 10:00.07 | env- | so, while i agree that yes you get elitists, there are many more non-elitists out there |
| 10:00.12 | damion | trolls |
| 10:00.20 | damion | flatfis |
| 10:00.24 | damion | basically |
| 10:00.32 | damion | people less than gurus no? |
| 10:01.19 | jaakko | HNS-I: Cant you see them in vt1 (ctrl alt f1)? |
| 10:01.20 | damion | the bulk of open source contributors are in their 20s and 30s, single and posses a bs or ms |
| 10:01.35 | Pulpie | env-: wine said it couldn't find the opengl dev files |
| 10:01.41 | kgoetz | damion: so? |
| 10:01.47 | kgoetz | based on what? |
| 10:01.51 | Pulpie | configure: WARNING: OpenGL development headers not found. |
| 10:01.51 | Pulpie | OpenGL and Direct3D won't be supported. |
| 10:01.53 | Pulpie | :( |
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| 10:01.57 | ComradeHaz | and tbh dwllwgaff? |
| 10:02.02 | damion | it follows that the same study concludes that most contributors participate to learn and share knowledge |
| 10:02.12 | damion | but the gurus are the ones that really participate in irc |
| 10:02.14 | jaakko | HNS-I: You will see them in xterm too if you start gnome from xterm, I think. |
| 10:02.16 | env- | you're looking for a wine package |
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| 10:02.30 | HNS-I | jaakko: hehe |
| 10:02.31 | Pulpie | env-: no im looking for the opengl dev files |
| 10:02.34 | damion | fielding questions for noobs to much aggrication and what not |
| 10:02.49 | env- | libwine-gl |
| 10:02.56 | HNS-I | A troll is either an idiot or just someone who does not feel the need to enter in groupthink. |
| 10:03.06 | Pulpie | env-: is that really what i am looking for? |
| 10:03.06 | kgoetz | damion: your spending a lot of time complaining about gurus and not enough time thinking this is peoples weekends, and they might want to do real help, not find libraries for people |
| 10:03.08 | env- | oh sorry i get it |
| 10:03.23 | env- | what're you compiling? |
| 10:03.27 | Pulpie | yes |
| 10:03.32 | damion | no i do understand. thats whats so crazy about it |
| 10:03.39 | Pulpie | to get the lastest version of wine |
| 10:03.46 | HNS-I | jaakko: which logs in /var/log or some other place i mean |
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| 10:04.06 | damion | i was stuck in a hotel for 80 hours a week "helping" people because they didnt have a wet bar or some stupid shit |
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| 10:04.15 | damion | and i got paid |
| 10:04.19 | damion | at least |
| 10:04.29 | iateadonu1 | apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 10:04.30 | iateadonu1 | apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client php5-mysql |
| 10:04.30 | iateadonu1 | that's the answer to my question earlier. |
| 10:04.38 | kgoetz | damion: what part dont you understand? |
| 10:04.41 | Pulpie | ... iateadonu1 we dont need to know? |
| 10:04.55 | damion | i understand totally |
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| 10:05.07 | damion | have you been reading? |
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| 10:05.18 | kgoetz | yes, and i dont really see what your beef is |
| 10:05.23 | damion | im trying to reconsile the two |
| 10:05.26 | Pulpie | env-: ugh im never gunna find the opengl files :( |
| 10:05.27 | zodmaner | Guys, how do I made ulimit changes becomes permernate? |
| 10:05.29 | damion | who said i had a beef? |
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| 10:05.36 | env- | pulpie: what're you trying to compile? |
| 10:05.45 | damion | ive gotten help here |
| 10:05.48 | Penix | zodmaner: for a particular user? |
| 10:05.50 | Pulpie | env-: Wine .9.58 |
| 10:05.55 | damion | and great expense to the helper im sure |
| 10:05.59 | zodmaner | Penix: Yep :) |
| 10:06.11 | iateadonu1 | sounds like you need jesus, damion. |
| 10:06.14 | kgoetz | damion: your tone seems to indicate you have a beef of some sort |
| 10:06.20 | kgoetz | iateadonu1: dont go there ... |
| 10:06.21 | env- | you're best off going to a wine support channel or forum |
| 10:06.24 | Penix | zodmaner: you can set it in their shell config |
| 10:06.27 | damion | my tone? |
| 10:06.41 | liable | s/tone/rant/ |
| 10:06.42 | Pulpie | env-: but i just need to find the DEBIAN opengl dev files in apt |
| 10:06.50 | Penix | Pulpie: apt-cache search libgl |
| 10:06.50 | env- | they might not be there |
| 10:06.50 | Pulpie | env-: most of those users are ubuntu |
| 10:06.57 | Penix | Pulpie: think about it. it's a library. it's GL |
| 10:06.59 | iateadonu1 | wow. did anyone know there's a way to just ignore people on IRC? you just click on their name... amazing! |
| 10:06.59 | zodmaner | Penix: I see, thanks for the tip, Penix :) |
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| 10:07.06 | prolix_ | helping, aka teaching, is the final step in learning. it's a self test to validate what's been learned and to what depth it's understood. |
| 10:07.21 | damion | sure i have rants. probably for the same reason you all hate the buntus |
| 10:07.35 | env- | heh |
| 10:07.38 | env- | yeah, it is in apt |
| 10:07.39 | liable | who says we hate ubuntu? |
| 10:07.43 | kgoetz | iateadonu1: thats goig to be hard with irssi... |
| 10:07.45 | Pulpie | Penix: its not th |
| 10:07.47 | damion | uh |
| 10:07.49 | damion | your tone |
| 10:07.50 | Pulpie | Penix: its not there* |
| 10:07.51 | Penix | Pulpie: it is |
| 10:07.53 | damion | lol |
| 10:08.02 | env- | pulpie: im looking at it right now |
| 10:08.09 | env- | most libraries start with 'lib' |
| 10:08.11 | env- | so thats a start |
| 10:08.26 | dimir | Morning! |
| 10:08.35 | Pulpie | is it the dev files too cause most dev files end with -dev |
| 10:08.37 | env- | source packages end in dev |
| 10:08.47 | Penix | Pulpie: take a guess |
| 10:08.54 | Penix | env-: no |
| 10:09.07 | zodmaner | Anyone use rTorrent? I wonder if I should set rtorrent's max memory usage value. Currently rTorrent use 3.2GB as max memory value, while my system only have 1GB of RAM. |
| 10:09.13 | damion | who cares anyway. nobody here is going to watch my movie lol |
| 10:09.13 | Pulpie | Penix: yes dude, it would. but i searched for both libgl and libgl-dev |
| 10:09.16 | Pulpie | didn't show |
| 10:09.22 | Penix | zodmaner: I use it on a FreeBSD box with 640Mb of ram |
| 10:09.33 | Penix | Pulpie: narrow down your search then |
| 10:09.43 | prolix_ | do linux distributions still attemtpt to adhere to the filesystem hierarchy..system? |
| 10:09.44 | Penix | Pulpie: libgl dev, libgl dev opengl |
| 10:09.49 | Penix | Pulpie: the possibilities are endless |
| 10:09.49 | Pulpie | libgl-dev brings like 3 |
| 10:09.56 | zodmaner | Penix: Wow, do you specify the max_memory_usage value, or just leave rTorrent to detect them? |
| 10:10.02 | Penix | Pulpie: read the freaking descriptions and make a decision |
| 10:10.13 | kgoetz | prolix_: mostly lsb these days (unfortunately) |
| 10:10.17 | Penix | zodmaner: I've never touched a thing related to memory use |
| 10:10.19 | Pulpie | Penix: I read them and none of them sound right |
| 10:10.27 | prolix_ | kgoetz: thank you |
| 10:10.37 | zodmaner | Penix: OK, don't bother with it then. :) |
| 10:10.42 | Penix | heh |
| 10:10.44 | kgoetz | prolix_: np. debian still partly follos th HFS, and partly lsb (aiui) |
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| 10:11.06 | Pulpie | Penix: why dont you just tell me what the package is if your looking at it, its probably not even in apt. |
| 10:11.29 | env- | pulpie, you should try using aptitude |
| 10:11.38 | Pulpie | env-: its the same damn thing |
| 10:11.43 | Penix | Pulpie: nothing's in 'apt'. it is in debian. how do you expect to ever figure out how to find something own your own if you don't ever try? |
| 10:11.43 | env- | not entirely |
| 10:11.49 | Pulpie | apt is a back-end to dpgk |
| 10:11.58 | Pulpie | aptitude is the same thing |
| 10:12.16 | kgoetz | er, no |
| 10:12.17 | Penix | no, it's not |
| 10:12.24 | env- | last time i checked, apt-get didnt have a gui |
| 10:12.35 | damion | anybody use pan? is there any way to connect to more than 4 peers?? |
| 10:12.39 | Pulpie | env-: you can use aptitude as cli |
| 10:12.48 | env- | thats not what im getting at |
| 10:13.09 | Pulpie | env-: i think you mean synaptic |
| 10:13.15 | Probability | i think you understand what i am already spying on #politics (freenode) |
| 10:13.30 | Penix | Pulpie: there's a bunch of packages claiming to be the development files for a free implementation of OpenGL. try one of them and see if your build works |
| 10:13.31 | env- | no. |
| 10:13.33 | Probability | there's a way to change this (and to be taken |
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| 10:13.41 | env- | use aptitude, search for the package |
| 10:13.42 | Probability | use aptitude, search for php in synaptec? |
| 10:13.43 | env- | you'll find it |
| 10:14.31 | Pulpie | env-: if your so sure you find it, then why don't you just tell me? |
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| 10:14.49 | env- | <Pulpie>Penix: yes dude, it would. but i searched for both libgl and libgl-dev |
| 10:14.51 | Probability | <Pulpie> Penix: yes dude, it would. but i cant do that |
| 10:15.18 | env- | apt-get install libgl-dev |
| 10:15.19 | Probability | apt-get install gdm then you won't believe it unless you see - don't know, tho, if it has worked quite well up until installing the base system. my problem is that a very good report on the path when i was on a sat night? ;p |
| 10:15.26 | env- | and dont ask me why it didnt come up in search |
| 10:15.43 | Pulpie | im not cause apt sucks |
| 10:15.48 | Probability | im not that |
| 10:16.02 | env- | i b eleieve apt-cache search searches for keywords |
| 10:16.03 | Probability | i b eleieve apt-cache search libgl |
| 10:16.05 | env- | not package names |
| 10:16.12 | env- | whilst aptitude does the latter |
| 10:16.36 | env- | thats why i use aptitude. |
| 10:16.37 | Probability | thats why i use <% %> |
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| 10:17.04 | Pulpie | i used all 3 ways to search for packages on deb |
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| 10:17.06 | Probability | i used nspluginwrapper last time i checked, apt-get didnt have a point there nitus |
| 10:17.11 | Pulpie | snaptic, apt and aptitude |
| 10:17.39 | kgoetz | !ops Probability bot being anoying |
| 10:17.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: kgoetz complains about: Probability bot being anoying |
| 10:17.42 | liable | got non-free? |
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| 10:17.53 | env- | pulpie: try this and you'll see. |
| 10:17.57 | env- | sudo aptitude |
| 10:17.58 | Probability | try this then it should be there |
| 10:18.15 | env- | then type / (for search) |
| 10:18.15 | Pulpie | yeah dude i did that |
| 10:18.20 | Probability | yeah dude i have to use the asp tags |
| 10:18.21 | env- | and then look for libgl-dev |
| 10:18.26 | env- | and look! its there! |
| 10:18.26 | Probability | and then it was landing in the other case you have sex |
| 10:19.38 | Pulpie | env-: too bad you have to get a completely different package to install it |
| 10:19.42 | Probability | too bad I have to log in to the ho house |
| 10:20.06 | Pulpie | omg will someone give this bot a cock... |
| 10:20.07 | env- | libglmesa-dev yes |
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| 10:20.15 | Pulpie | something to shut it up |
| 10:20.19 | Probability | something to shut it up this time. |
| 10:20.24 | env- | but you see why using aptitudes 'dummy packages' is helpful |
| 10:20.25 | Probability | but you see |
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| 10:20.46 | kgoetz | no ops and no staff :( |
| 10:20.48 | Probability | no ops and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 10:21.02 | Pulpie | O_O |
| 10:21.09 | Pulpie | probablilty i will kill u |
| 10:21.10 | Probability | probablilty i will tell you how a City Charter has no such authority. |
| 10:21.20 | Pulpie | >.< |
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| 10:21.30 | dingus9 | any one good with kde mount issues, I can't seem to get it working |
| 10:21.33 | Probability | any one good with kde |
| 10:21.51 | Pulpie | dingus9: man mount |
| 10:22.00 | Pulpie | Probability: mount |
| 10:22.08 | Pulpie | !man mount |
| 10:22.26 | Pulpie | w/e man mount yourself |
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| 10:22.33 | dingus9 | Pulpie: lol things mount fine on the system, its my automount I need |
| 10:22.38 | Probability | lol things mount fine on the wing at like 350 meters with a hand pumped pellet gun |
| 10:22.45 | env- | informs pulpie he is talking to a bot |
| 10:22.50 | Probability | env- informs pulpie he is right :D |
| 10:22.56 | Pulpie | dingus9: man cron |
| 10:23.01 | env- | heh. |
| 10:23.01 | Pulpie | env-: I know Probability is a bot |
| 10:23.02 | dingus9 | lol |
| 10:23.07 | Probability | I know I did shoot a pigeon |
| 10:23.32 | WormFood | Probability, but did you eat the pigeon? |
| 10:23.32 | Probability | ...eh? |
| 10:24.02 | Pulpie | play gridwars 2 |
| 10:24.04 | Pulpie | :) |
| 10:25.52 | dingus9 | Any how any one serious about my question? I don't need a flip answer if you know kde, hal, dbus pmount, kde-ioslave and the like otherwise just say I have know clue. |
| 10:25.54 | Probability | Any how any one help me built php web crawler |
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| 10:26.28 | dingus9 | Probability: :) whatcha crawling for |
| 10:26.37 | kgoetz | dingus9: its a but ... |
| 10:26.39 | kgoetz | *bot |
| 10:26.42 | kgoetz | bah. |
| 10:26.45 | dingus9 | ah |
| 10:26.46 | dingus9 | ic |
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| 10:35.31 | action09 | hi |
| 10:35.39 | damion | hey hey |
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| 10:37.22 | jason___ | yo |
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| 10:38.24 | jason___ | I'm confused about something, what line is to be inserted into sources.list to download packages for ANOTHER architecture than the host which is going to run the apt commands... |
| 10:38.43 | jason___ | i.e. this is a i386 willing to fetch sparc64 packages |
| 10:38.45 | Younix | i just installed the latest stable version of debian, and it obviously automatically installed gnome.. |
| 10:38.50 | Younix | how do i switch from gnome to xfce |
| 10:39.32 | liable | just install xfce |
| 10:39.44 | Younix | hmm |
| 10:39.48 | Younix | lol |
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| 10:40.03 | Younix | also..umm, on the older debian version i was using (3.1)..i had internet connectivity.. |
| 10:40.04 | Younix | now, i don't.. |
| 10:40.10 | Younix | ifconfig says it's all up and running... |
| 10:40.19 | Younix | but..i can't connect to anything |
| 10:40.34 | liable | does ifconfig show an ip? |
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| 10:40.39 | Younix | no sir |
| 10:40.44 | Younix | but it says something like BROADCASTING Blah blah |
| 10:40.55 | Younix | and packets sent and lost and ...errors |
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| 10:40.58 | Younix | no errors, no losses |
| 10:41.02 | Younix | and like 20 something sent |
| 10:41.12 | liable | try, dhclient eth0 |
| 10:41.18 | Younix | alright |
| 10:41.19 | Younix | bbs |
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| 10:47.29 | fjfalcon | can someone help me... i removed top panel from desktop(gnome). I return Gnome Main Menu. How to return it to it's default show? Like Applications, Go to, Administration? |
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| 11:07.25 | Younix | bah.. |
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| 11:07.41 | Younix | i installed xfce..but when i restart X, CTRL + ALT + Backspace..it starts gnome again |
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| 11:07.48 | Younix | is there anyway for me to completely (safely) remove gnome? |
| 11:08.25 | liable | Younix: gdm should give you a choice which desktop you want |
| 11:08.30 | Younix | how |
| 11:08.31 | liable | !remove gnome |
| 11:08.31 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 11:08.45 | Younix | eh |
| 11:08.47 | liable | Younix: in the menu there somewhere |
| 11:08.52 | Younix | laff |
| 11:09.06 | Younix | on 3.1 i had to startx to get xfce running..it didn't start automatically |
| 11:09.09 | Younix | that's the way i like it. :) |
| 11:09.37 | liable | oh, well just edit your xinitrc |
| 11:09.39 | enouf | update-alternatives? |
| 11:09.46 | Younix | liable: where |
| 11:09.48 | enouf | !xsession |
| 11:09.48 | dpkg | somebody said xsession was ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 11:10.04 | Younix | bah |
| 11:10.59 | enouf | liable: haha, recall us discussing where kdm kept that info (multiple window managers to choose from kdm login screeen) ? |
| 11:11.28 | enouf | it's all broken, and much more so in Sarge ;-) |
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| 11:11.58 | Younix | i still don't understand what i need to do |
| 11:12.50 | enouf | try reading your gdm docs, and/or try the .xsession method |
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| 11:13.06 | Younix | gdm docs..gotcha |
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| 11:13.56 | Younix | well, if i remove with apt-get --purge blah |
| 11:13.59 | enouf | likely either a file in /etc/gdm/* or somewhere buried in /usr/share/gdm/* ... or your ~/. files |
| 11:14.00 | Younix | won't it erase gdm? |
| 11:14.06 | enouf | yep |
| 11:14.08 | Younix | so... |
| 11:14.11 | enouf | --purge remove |
| 11:14.12 | Younix | then i won't have to do that? |
| 11:14.16 | enouf | right |
| 11:14.20 | Younix | okay |
| 11:14.21 | enouf | !dm |
| 11:14.21 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. |
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| 11:14.29 | enouf | gah |
| 11:14.30 | Younix | ah |
| 11:14.33 | enouf | !startx |
| 11:14.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, startx is a script that starts the X Window System , configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. see starting gnome, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. |
| 11:14.45 | Younix | yea i asked dpkg about that in PM |
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| 11:15.10 | enouf | bah ,, stll wrong one, i wanted the ctrl-alt-f1 for console one ;-) |
| 11:15.23 | Younix | laff |
| 11:15.28 | Younix | you mean changing virtual termianls? |
| 11:15.32 | Younix | terminals.. |
| 11:15.45 | enouf | nm, it's too complicated for me to even explain |
| 11:15.47 | Younix | !chvt |
| 11:15.49 | Younix | :< |
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| 11:16.42 | enouf | i recall kdm (perhaps others too), when i 1st had it listed a Console Login as a choice in it's Menu .. then all of a sudden, it Disappeared O_o |
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| 11:17.00 | Younix | :o |
| 11:17.03 | enouf | 3.3.2 of kde, iirc |
| 11:17.31 | Younix | what is 'afaik' |
| 11:17.34 | enouf | upgrading to like 3.3.3 or .5 brokededededed it |
| 11:17.39 | techouse | after all i know |
| 11:17.40 | enouf | !afaik |
| 11:17.40 | dpkg | methinks afaik is as far as I know |
| 11:17.47 | Younix | oh |
| 11:17.55 | techouse | or that, yeah |
| 11:18.00 | Younix | :P |
| 11:18.07 | Younix | im used to using wtf <acronym/command> |
| 11:18.12 | enouf | just remove any/all DMs since you seem to like that anywat |
| 11:18.25 | Younix | i am |
| 11:18.32 | enouf | \o/ ? |
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| 11:18.44 | Younix | \o/ |
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| 11:19.40 | enouf | with sarge i also recall the /etc/X11/default-display-manager file manipulation |
| 11:20.00 | enouf | !nodm |
| 11:20.01 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 11:20.07 | enouf | there we go |
| 11:21.01 | Younix | it's taking two hours to remove gnome ;/ |
| 11:21.07 | vvd | when i install something with aptitude i get "database /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db failed to load." but everything else is fine. should i worry? |
| 11:21.46 | amphi | enouf: /bin/false seems like an excellent DM ;) |
| 11:21.49 | vvd | i do |
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| 11:22.07 | enouf | !bingo amphi ;-) |
| 11:22.15 | wols | Younix: no |
| 11:22.20 | Younix | no what? |
| 11:22.40 | amphi | ;) |
| 11:22.46 | liable | enouf: hmm, i dont recall that actually :/ |
| 11:23.12 | enouf | liable: np, must be too many sheep nightmares :-p |
| 11:23.32 | liable | too many beers more likely |
| 11:24.20 | wols | Younix: it doesn't take hours |
| 11:24.34 | Younix | lol |
| 11:24.37 | Younix | err, heh* |
| 11:24.44 | Younix | i know..i was exaggerating |
| 11:24.48 | Younix | (sp) |
| 11:24.51 | wols | !enter |
| 11:24.52 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 11:24.55 | Younix | fine. |
| 11:25.08 | enouf | liable: i think you mentioned, "i just add the ones i want to .. to .." erm |
| 11:25.10 | enouf | $ ls /usr/share/applications/kde/ |
| 11:25.10 | enouf | Display all 193 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 11:25.13 | enouf | O_o |
| 11:25.35 | liable | ah, yeah, theres is a file thare somewhere. |
| 11:25.49 | liable | arr |
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| 11:26.37 | enouf | $ less /usr/share/applications/kde/kdm.desktop <-- lol, omg, half looks like binary, rofl |
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| 11:27.01 | enouf | there's also the /etc/kde3/kdm* possibilities |
| 11:27.43 | Younix | this is ridiculous, now.. |
| 11:27.52 | Younix | i just did the --purge remove on gnome..and it's still loading it |
| 11:28.27 | enouf | lmao |
| 11:28.33 | enouf | !remove gnome |
| 11:28.33 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 11:28.45 | enouf | oh, someone told you troll? |
| 11:29.06 | enouf | yep, liable did already |
| 11:29.37 | Younix | what? |
| 11:29.46 | Younix | enouf: i did that.. |
| 11:29.50 | Younix | brb |
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| 11:30.33 | Younix | heh |
| 11:30.43 | enouf | that;s not gdm |
| 11:30.48 | Younix | erm? |
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| 11:31.00 | enouf | nor any dm |
| 11:31.09 | enouf | that's gnome |
| 11:31.20 | Younix | !nodm |
| 11:31.20 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 11:31.27 | Younix | did that, too.. |
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| 11:32.00 | enouf | so what's the issue, and that factoid has no --purge |
| 11:32.01 | maligor | mm, never knew about the media center software, elisa, shame it doesn't seem to want to start tho |
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| 11:32.04 | maligor | looks fantastic |
| 11:32.18 | Younix | enouf: the gdm is still loading when i restart x |
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| 11:33.08 | Younix | hmm |
| 11:33.32 | Younix | nevermind. |
| 11:35.11 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.20 | enouf | done ;-) |
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| 11:38.05 | sdrr | can someone here help me out in creating more than 8 loop devices in debian under xen? I dont seem to succeed in that |
| 11:38.34 | enouf | loop max_loop=nnn |
| 11:39.33 | sdrr | enouf: done that, nothing changes unfortunately |
| 11:39.43 | sdrr | in the /etc/modules file right? |
| 11:39.50 | enouf | no |
| 11:39.55 | enouf | kernel parameter |
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| 11:40.08 | sdrr | ah yes, tried that too, not working |
| 11:40.12 | enouf | boot option .. module paramter actually |
| 11:40.24 | sdrr | cat /proc/cmdline |
| 11:40.24 | sdrr | root=/dev/sda2 ro max_loop=255 console=tty0 |
| 11:40.35 | enouf | wont work if loop is already rootfs though |
| 11:40.41 | enouf | no |
| 11:40.56 | enouf | i said ; "loop max_loop=nnn" |
| 11:41.08 | sdrr | really? |
| 11:41.13 | enouf | it's a module |
| 11:41.27 | sdrr | add that as a kernel parameter? |
| 11:41.42 | enouf | grep LOOP /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 11:41.50 | enouf | uname -r also |
| 11:42.18 | enouf | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m |
| 11:42.41 | enouf | might need to roll that into the initrd |
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| 11:43.35 | sdrr | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CRYPTOLOOP=m, CONFIG_XEN_NETDEV_LOOPBACK=m |
| 11:43.37 | enouf | (the module option -- or add that stuff to /etc/module.conf, or /etc/modprobe.d/filename (add params)) |
| 11:43.55 | enouf | all modules |
| 11:44.42 | sdrr | enouf: I tried all of that, and I just can't get it to work, I find 20 different entries on google how to handle this, and at the end it doesn't work unfortunately, raah, these are the moment when it becomes frustrating |
| 11:45.08 | liable | maybe its a xen problem |
| 11:45.19 | enouf | sdrr: my bad a bit perhaps; try "loop.max_loop=256" |
| 11:45.46 | sdrr | as a kernel parameter in grub right? |
| 11:45.54 | enouf | hrm is there a #debian-xen? |
| 11:46.03 | enouf | sdrr: yep |
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| 11:46.19 | enouf | root=/dev/sda2 ro loop.max_loop=255 console=tty0 |
| 11:46.44 | enouf | then also run udevtrigger once booted, for good measure |
| 11:47.04 | sdrr | ok let's try that |
| 11:47.15 | wols | enouf: oftc maybe? |
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| 11:47.31 | enouf | wols: perhaps, lessee, hrm |
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| 11:48.38 | enouf | [07:45:35] -ChanServ- #debian-xen <-- yep, over on oftc.net |
| 11:50.08 | sdrr | enouf: doesn't seem to work "loop.max_loop=256" will try #debian-xen on oftc thanks |
| 11:50.14 | enouf | weird here how there's all the #debian. channels too :-P no .xen. nor -xen though afaict |
| 11:50.28 | enouf | ok sdrr .. please revisit ;-) |
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| 11:51.22 | enouf | sdrr: perhaps it requires a /etc/modprobe.d/* entry to load the params; |
| 11:51.25 | enouf | sdrr: modinfo loop | grep 256 |
| 11:51.25 | enouf | parm: max_loop:Maximum number of loop devices (1-256) (int) |
| 11:52.05 | Pulpie | has anyone tried steam on wine in debian lenny? |
| 11:52.21 | wols | !anyone |
| 11:52.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:52.24 | enouf | sdrr: i'm going off info listed like this here http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 11:52.27 | enouf | gah |
| 11:52.39 | wols | dppdb.winehq.org |
| 11:52.40 | enouf | line 14 zd |
| 11:52.44 | enouf | line 14 sdrr |
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| 11:53.08 | Pulpie | wols: Im just asking in general, damn this is not a support channel |
| 11:53.22 | dusty_ | Hey guys when trying to install and run mono under debian 4.0 i get the following: http://rafb.net/p/5Y1kaF47.html anyone know how to fix this or what is happening here? |
| 11:53.42 | wols | Pulpie: ask specific questions. This IS a support channel for specific questions |
| 11:53.51 | Pulpie | This is NOT a support channel |
| 11:53.59 | wols | Pulpie: you are mistaken |
| 11:54.02 | Pulpie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.03 | sdrr | enouf: thanks for that |
| 11:54.05 | Pulpie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.05 | enouf | oh stop |
| 11:54.08 | Pulpie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.11 | enouf | sdrr: sure ;-) |
| 11:54.11 | Pulpie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.14 | Pulpie | read it. |
| 11:54.19 | enouf | stop! |
| 11:54.20 | Pulpie | This is a discussion channel |
| 11:54.43 | wols | Pulpie: do you have a debian support related question? |
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| 11:54.50 | kgoetz | Pulpie: did you miss this bit? "Please do not paste in the channel;" |
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| 11:55.04 | Pulpie | I didn't paste, i typed it myself and you cant prove other wise. |
| 11:55.13 | maligor | Pulpie, #winehq might give you a better answer |
| 11:55.13 | enouf | sdrr: obviously if you go the /etc/modprobe.d/* route, remember to have loop listed in /etc/modules ;-) |
| 11:55.36 | Pulpie | I was just fucking asking a damn question to bring a discussion |
| 11:55.40 | Pulpie | fucking assholes man. |
| 11:55.47 | maligor | huh? |
| 11:55.54 | wols | maligor: ignore the troll |
| 11:56.02 | enouf | sdrr: other than that, the initrd is in the way .. must be rerolled (my only other thought - unless Xen has some inherent issues prohibiting it) |
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| 11:56.17 | solar_sea | after trying to install wine on debian lenny from the mirrors specifiec on winehq.net apt-get broke. I cannot install anything, apt-get -f install canno install wine either. what can I do to solve it ? |
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| 11:56.33 | sdrr | enouf: hm yes that makes sense |
| 11:56.36 | wols | !tell solar_sea about bat |
| 11:56.37 | Pulpie | wols: I am not a troll. I asked a simple question in fact i have been an idler here for a bit now and if i was a troll i would be jumping around channels |
| 11:56.38 | enouf | use debian mirrors |
| 11:56.40 | Pulpie | not idling |
| 11:56.47 | Pulpie | so stop insulting me. |
| 11:56.51 | wols | Pulpie: do you have a debian support related question? |
| 11:57.08 | enouf | wols: let it go, come on .. let |
| 11:57.08 | Pulpie | wols: I don't see a debian support channel, so no. |
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| 11:57.18 | enouf | 's pick on stoned/Nyle :-P |
| 11:57.37 | enouf | Pulpie: drop it? |
| 11:57.42 | Pulpie | ill drop it. |
| 11:58.05 | solar_sea | wols, http://pastebin.com/m3dd1655d |
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| 11:58.09 | blablaxxx | hello, i have a strange problem... load average: 7.49, 4.95, 4.11 -> how can I see which services/daemons are causing this, ps aux doesnt show me the necessary info... anyone? |
| 11:58.23 | Pulpie | blablaxxx: type top |
| 11:58.26 | kgoetz | blablaxxx: top |
| 11:58.26 | wols | blablaxxx: "load avg" is a meaningless stat |
| 11:58.34 | dusty_ | anyone? |
| 11:58.40 | enouf | now .. nobody has used steam, ever, except to throw momma from the train :-P |
| 11:58.43 | Pulpie | blablaxxx: I suggest htop to be honest. its more graphical |
| 11:58.45 | solar_sea | as well as http://pastebin.com/dd0ec588 |
| 11:58.57 | Pulpie | wols: instead of an opinion, maybe a true answer is better? |
| 11:59.02 | wols | solar_sea: either use wine stuff from debian or the packages from winehq.net. you are mixing the two |
| 11:59.05 | wols | solar_sea: uninstall one |
| 11:59.23 | blablaxxx | and what column should i am looking at ? |
| 11:59.25 | solar_sea | fine by me, but how as apt-get remove wine refuses to work |
| 11:59.36 | wols | man dpkg |
| 11:59.40 | Pulpie | blablaxxx: the process one... whats taking up most cpu |
| 11:59.41 | solar_sea | okey, thanks |
| 12:00.02 | enouf | solar_sea: pastebin exact errors, and fix your sources.list |
| 12:00.10 | enouf | oh |
| 12:00.14 | Pulpie | blablaxxx: "wcpu" and "command" |
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| 12:00.58 | Pulpie | is #flood a real channel? |
| 12:01.10 | solar_sea | enouf, i did pastebin the apt-get error, is there anything else ? |
| 12:01.53 | wols | Pulpie: yes. rarely used anymore |
| 12:02.23 | Pulpie | wols: thats funny. |
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| 12:02.33 | enouf | sdrr: fwiw, i just checked my .16 debian kernel's initrd, it contains all the /etc/modprobe.d/* files that one would use to alter a modules behaviour |
| 12:02.39 | maligor | pastebins are handier |
| 12:02.58 | Pulpie | so what do you people do in the your spare time... besides linux? |
| 12:03.08 | wols | !OT |
| 12:03.08 | dpkg | it has been said that ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 12:03.10 | enouf | i have sex |
| 12:03.13 | kgoetz | and pastebins let you pate whatver you like. without banning |
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| 12:03.23 | enouf | and yes, it's OT here, my bad |
| 12:03.26 | |leviathan| | hi people, perhaps someone of you has a good idea to solve this problem: |
| 12:03.28 | Winkie | is there any simple utility to select a list of debian mirrors and update sources.list? |
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| 12:03.37 | sdrr | enouf: well, meanwhile, when I rmmod loop and modprobe loop I have 255 devices at my disposal. Which is good, ... when I reboot, they are not created though, .. |
| 12:03.45 | wols | Winkie: apt-spy for example. use with caution |
| 12:03.47 | |leviathan| | id like to merge a lot of source-packages from sid to maemo |
| 12:03.57 | |leviathan| | maxima and all his depencies |
| 12:04.06 | enouf | sdrr: hrm, and what param allowed for even that? |
| 12:04.08 | wols | |leviathan|: that's nice but how is it a debian problem? |
| 12:04.09 | |leviathan| | is there a simple way to do that? |
| 12:04.13 | |leviathan| | autmatet? |
| 12:04.22 | Pulpie | if this is a discussion channel why are we confined to talk about support crap? |
| 12:04.29 | enouf | sdrr: note; you should always use modprobe -r instead of rmmod |
| 12:04.40 | wols | Pulpie: it is a support channel. no matter what you think |
| 12:05.09 | |leviathan| | its just a question |
| 12:05.13 | Pulpie | wols: it is not, because the chanserv said so. which only the owner of the channel owner chan set |
| 12:05.17 | wols | |leviathan|: not a debian one |
| 12:05.21 | Pulpie | can* |
| 12:05.22 | |leviathan| | cause basically it would be possible |
| 12:05.27 | wols | Pulpie: please stop it |
| 12:05.28 | |leviathan| | maemo uses *deb |
| 12:05.40 | Pulpie | wols: dude no im not gunna stop because im generally confused. |
| 12:05.54 | wols | |leviathan|: so does ubuntu. we still don't support it. neither do we support maemo |
| 12:05.57 | sdrr | enouf: loop entry in /etc/modules and "options loop max_loop=255" in /etc/modprobe.d/loop that's all I did, |
| 12:05.58 | Pulpie | I was told by the owner's motd that this is a discussion channel |
| 12:05.58 | |leviathan| | n810 has a debian-like os |
| 12:06.02 | Pulpie | not a support channel |
| 12:06.06 | kgoetz | Pulpie: any of the ops can change that mesage |
| 12:06.18 | Pulpie | but some random bot says its not |
| 12:06.25 | wols | dpkg far from random |
| 12:06.34 | Pulpie | my point is that the bot doesn't have ops |
| 12:06.39 | Pulpie | whom ever set that message did |
| 12:06.41 | wols | !ops please make Pulpie stop talking about the discussion nature of #debian |
| 12:06.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please make Pulpie stop talking about the discussion nature of #debian |
| 12:06.54 | enouf | sdrr: righto - makes sense, so, no grub line anymore? |
| 12:07.35 | sdrr | enouf: no grub line anymore, but that does only make sense when the loop module is compiled into the kernel and is not loaded as a module though? |
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| 12:07.41 | Pulpie | wols: this is a generally on topic and it is said that by chan serv this is a discussion channel |
| 12:07.53 | |leviathan| | ok, thx for nothing, then ill looking on my own in the manuals again... |
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| 12:07.58 | enouf | sdrr: not the way i showed it |
| 12:08.08 | enouf | sdrr: the way you did, yes |
| 12:08.20 | dusty_ | Hey guys when trying to install and run mono under debian 4.0 i get the following: http://rafb.net/p/5Y1kaF47.html anyone know how to fix this or what is happening here? |
| 12:08.53 | wols | dusty_: install how? |
| 12:09.00 | enouf | sdrr: the use of initrd though might override that vanilla kernel doc info about what i mentioned on line14 for syntax |
| 12:09.32 | wols | !info mono etch |
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| 12:09.42 | dpkg | mono: (Mono CLI (.NET) runtime), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.2.2.1-1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
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| 12:10.17 | Pulpie | dpkg is the most spammed bot ever. |
| 12:10.41 | enouf | sdrr: instead of rmmod and then modprobe, can you try the udevtrigger thing? maybe even /etc/init.d/udev stop .. the start |
| 12:10.47 | enouf | then start* |
| 12:10.54 | amitprakash | compiling glibc returns /auto/students/amitprakash/glibc-2.7/malloc/memusage.c:221: undefined reference to `dlsym'.. how do i fix this |
| 12:11.04 | dusty_ | wols, graphical installer and also repos |
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| 12:11.27 | enouf | sdrr: it might not be initrd related since it's (loop) usually not loaded AFAIR |
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| 12:11.29 | wols | dusty_: synaptic is a graphical installer... your answer uis pretty much worthless |
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| 12:12.25 | dusty_ | ? |
| 12:12.26 | Pulpie | support |
| 12:12.31 | Pulpie | !support |
| 12:12.31 | dpkg | <Katja_> what did one saggy boob say to the other? If we don't get some support around here, ppl will think we are nuts |
| 12:13.56 | enouf | try #mono? wtf is that anyways? some lameassed attempt at MPoop's VisualBasic on linux? |
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| 12:14.11 | enouf | !crikey |
| 12:14.32 | wols | enouf: one of Mr. deIcazas attempts to undermine Linux, that's all |
| 12:14.49 | enouf | ahh. the evil empire |
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| 12:15.02 | Pulpie | enouf: VB 98 (the best VB ever) is wine able so u dont need a native linux one |
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| 12:15.36 | Pulpie | .... |
| 12:15.40 | Pulpie | hello jelly-home |
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| 12:15.56 | amitprakash | compiling glibc returns /auto/students/amitprakash/glibc-2.7/malloc/memusage.c:221: undefined reference to `dlsym'.. how do i fix this |
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| 12:16.11 | kgoetz | amitprakash why are you compiling glibc? |
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| 12:16.25 | amitprakash | because my glibc is old.. 2.1 |
| 12:16.35 | enouf | needs a cleaning? |
| 12:16.37 | wols | amitprakash: thne upgrade to etch |
| 12:16.45 | amitprakash | wols, i am w/o admin permissions |
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| 12:17.19 | Pulpie | amitprakash: delete and compile the newer one? |
| 12:17.20 | wols | amitprakash: tell your admin that from next month onwards his debian will have no more security updates |
| 12:17.49 | amitprakash | wols, i wish that workd.. but hes lazy |
| 12:17.50 | liable | i thought they already stopped sarge support? |
| 12:18.00 | amitprakash | for now snt there a way to compile it? |
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| 12:18.16 | Pulpie | amitprakash: yes but to delete the older version u need root |
| 12:18.18 | wols | amitprakash: dlsym is part of your linker IIRC. no way to replace that |
| 12:18.24 | kgoetz | you dont 'just backport' glibc |
| 12:18.32 | Kevin` | amitprakash glibc is one of the more complicated things to be messing with. read the LFS book if you want to do it.. |
| 12:18.39 | maligor | heh, the lazy admins at my school dumped debian and switched to ubuntu |
| 12:18.56 | Pulpie | ubuntu isn't much better to admin |
| 12:19.01 | jelly-home | er, sarge has 2.3.2. glibc 2.1 is woody or worse |
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| 12:19.20 | wols | jelly-home: you are right |
| 12:19.23 | maligor | Pulpie, it gives you shiny gnome versions in what they claim is 'stable' |
| 12:19.53 | Pulpie | maligor: exactly then they crash and all of a sudden u have like 80 computers with nubuntu that don't work |
| 12:20.02 | Pulpie | maligor: do you consider that a better way to admin? |
| 12:20.37 | maligor | I think there's quite a lot more workstations than 80, beats me why they really changed |
| 12:20.43 | jelly-home | amitprakash: your system is very old. chances are one could break in, get root privileges and upgrade it :-> |
| 12:20.46 | maligor | they run a huge chuck of custom scripts anyway |
| 12:20.55 | Pulpie | maligor: symantics my friend, symantics. |
| 12:21.16 | Pulpie | maligor: the fact is that it was a stupid change. |
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| 12:21.30 | enouf | jelly-home: you instigator you :-P |
| 12:21.32 | Pulpie | maligor: tell them to run freebsd and get back to me :P |
| 12:21.37 | amitprakash | jelly-home, tell me how :P |
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| 12:21.47 | n3kl | woot fbsd! |
| 12:22.01 | force | anyone here aware of a linux based (preferably open source) sales quoting system? perhaps web based |
| 12:22.02 | jelly-home | enouf: I'm not suggesting anything of the sort! |
| 12:22.04 | liable | surely the woddy kernel has an escalation exploit or two ;) |
| 12:22.15 | Pulpie | I am probably going to run a freebsd or debian free ssh server... |
| 12:22.17 | Maulkin | Have we all quite finished here? |
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| 12:22.44 | liable | depends, do we need to be? :P |
| 12:22.58 | enouf | jelly-home: i know, i know (/me laughs hysterically) |
| 12:23.37 | enouf | liable: he's referring to.. erm, nm ;-0 |
| 12:24.13 | jelly-home | amitprakash: in any case, your system, if it is really debian, is at least two releases behind. An upgrade to the current version would be a nontrivial task even to an experienced admin |
| 12:24.25 | maligor | Pulpie, and we care how?-) |
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| 12:24.57 | Maulkin | reads backlog and gives up. You expect us to be active on easter sunday? There was a bbq last night, and lots of wine... |
| 12:25.08 | amphi | heh |
| 12:25.08 | octox2 | i clicked a patch file and kompare came up and it seemed to know where the original file was, how can that be when i clicked the patch from the desktop ? |
| 12:25.09 | n3kl | maligor: well stated =] |
| 12:25.10 | Maulkin | relurks. You know how to call us. |
| 12:25.12 | hoxu | Pulpie, I think netcraft thinks otherwise |
| 12:25.38 | Pulpie | hoxu: meaning what? |
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| 12:27.34 | jelly-home | octox2: the patch file format contains paths for "old" and "new" versions. Take a look at the file with less. |
| 12:29.14 | octox2 | do they look for where the file should be installed to, because areny you supposed to apply the patch before you install ? |
| 12:29.54 | octox2 | I have pulse audio in a folder, and im about to compile it, but i want to apply the deb patches to it first |
| 12:30.15 | octox2 | can i specify the folder i want it to look in |
| 12:30.32 | octox2 | or, should i put the patches in the src dir before i click them ? |
| 12:30.44 | dusty_ | ? |
| 12:30.47 | dusty_ | Hey guys when trying to install and run mono under debian 4.0 i get the following: http://rafb.net/p/5Y1kaF47.html anyone know how to fix this or what is happening here? |
| 12:30.51 | n3kl | click? Whu... |
| 12:31.21 | octox2 | well, when i click it , kompare comes up with it |
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| 12:31.41 | octox2 | actually, the source is called a/src/pulsecore |
| 12:31.45 | enouf | octox2: that's a setting in your DE control center / config |
| 12:31.50 | octox2 | so maybe it doesnt know where it is ? |
| 12:32.09 | enouf | you don't click to apply patches to source O_o |
| 12:32.11 | sdrr | enouf: I got, it when adding those entries to /etc/modules and modprobe.d/xen a new initrd file had to be created with "update-initramfs". So works now. Thanks for the help |
| 12:32.42 | n3kl | octox2: wtf are you trying to do? |
| 12:32.46 | enouf | sdrr: great, way to go |
| 12:32.49 | octox2 | lol |
| 12:33.04 | octox2 | n3kl: I have pulse audio in a folder, and im about to compile it, but i want to apply the deb patches to it first |
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| 12:33.15 | enouf | man patch |
| 12:33.28 | octox2 | wht about usinf diff ? |
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| 12:33.36 | n3kl | listen to enouf |
| 12:33.41 | ki | hi |
| 12:33.45 | amphi | or not ;) |
| 12:33.45 | ki | whats a debian |
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| 12:33.49 | n3kl | btw, whats wrong with apt-get install pulseaudio? |
| 12:34.03 | octox2 | some of the patches seem to make a cll to diff, is that normal :) ? |
| 12:34.06 | enouf | other than that - not sure what/why you're "patching" .. just get debian source and compile however you likg |
| 12:34.11 | n3kl | ki: a species of african penguin |
| 12:34.22 | enouf | amphi: thanks ;-) |
| 12:34.31 | amphi | ki: see http://debian.org/ |
| 12:34.35 | octox2 | n3kl: im compiling it on suse and i want the same patches that i have on my deb machine |
| 12:34.46 | n3kl | octox2: why? |
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| 12:35.26 | octox2 | to get rid of stupid errors like "tcp error bla bla, killing client" |
| 12:35.37 | n3kl | octox2: you usually want to patch something to add functionality to it. Is there some feature that is included with these so called patches of yours that are not included with suse? Also, this sounds more like a suse issue than a debian issue |
| 12:35.38 | enouf | "species of african penguin" O_o| |
| 12:36.02 | octox2 | n3kl: well, i cant really know till i find out |
| 12:36.12 | octox2 | n3kl: i was using 9.5 on deb and it was fine |
| 12:36.15 | ki | hey guys |
| 12:36.26 | amphi | 0_° |
| 12:36.32 | Ametrine | lol n3kl |
| 12:36.46 | liable | how much can an african penguin carry? |
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| 12:36.55 | octox2 | n3kl: well, i had other issues with buffer underrun when i have a tunnel-sink going, so i updgraded to lenny to get 9.9 and now i cant even connect to it |
| 12:37.19 | enouf | }O°_°O{ |
| 12:37.23 | ki | so these debians |
| 12:37.29 | ki | are they rare species |
| 12:37.39 | n3kl | ki: yeah, they are carnivourous |
| 12:37.40 | octox2 | n3kl: so i am going to compile it on suse, with the deb patches becasue i think one of them pertains to module-natice-tcp something |
| 12:37.42 | enouf | </glasses> ;-) |
| 12:38.02 | ki | oh shi- |
| 12:38.04 | n3kl | octox2: good luck |
| 12:38.09 | ki | carnivourous! |
| 12:38.15 | octox2 | n3kl: :) |
| 12:38.18 | amphi | enouf: heh |
| 12:38.19 | enouf | liable: it's probably inversely proportional to what a fully laden swallow can :-P |
| 12:38.22 | n3kl | ki: like fangs man |
| 12:38.32 | octox2 | n3kl: ill need it, for when my wife decides my days are over lol |
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| 12:38.54 | ki | oh dude |
| 12:38.59 | ki | penguins with fangs |
| 12:39.13 | n3kl | you bet |
| 12:39.16 | liable | hungry pengiouns with fangs! |
| 12:39.23 | enouf | sharp fangs and gnashing teeth |
| 12:39.24 | n3kl | you must live under a rock |
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| 12:39.34 | ki | i live in a rock |
| 12:39.39 | enouf | i am a rock |
| 12:39.50 | enouf | i am an island |
| 12:39.51 | amphi | enouf: a 'r0x0r' shurely |
| 12:40.00 | ki | brb guys |
| 12:40.06 | enouf | </simon + garfunkel> |
| 12:40.08 | mbroeker | and i am not amused |
| 12:40.15 | amphi | enouf: thank ghod |
| 12:40.21 | enouf | ;-) |
| 12:40.35 | liable | o oh, dads woken up |
| 12:40.42 | n3kl | mbroeker: `fortune` |
| 12:40.52 | enouf | amphi: what did you think i'd say? </barry manilow>? lol |
| 12:40.58 | amphi | heh |
| 12:41.00 | mbroeker | "He did decide, though, that with more time and a great deal of mental |
| 12:41.01 | mbroeker | effort, he could probably turn the activity into an acceptable perversion." |
| 12:41.01 | mbroeker | -- Mick Farren, "When Gravity Fails" |
| 12:41.16 | ki | lols at you |
| 12:41.29 | n3kl | heh |
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| 12:42.03 | amphi | oh, no, it's x_link |
| 12:42.09 | enouf | wow |
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| 12:44.32 | sdrr | how can I determine in which order the init scripts are initiated at boot time? |
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| 12:45.10 | enouf | the SNN and KNN determine most of that |
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| 12:47.09 | n3kl | ls /etc/rc`runlevel | awk '{ print $2 }'`.d/S* | sort | awk -F'.d/' '{ print $NF }' |
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| 12:47.30 | enouf | !runlevel |
| 12:47.31 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 12:47.50 | tecky | !irssi |
| 12:47.50 | dpkg | i guess irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
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| 12:48.52 | ki | i use mirc |
| 12:49.00 | enouf | does anyone use file-rc? |
| 12:49.21 | enouf | wow .. that wasn't an "anybody" question |
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| 12:49.31 | wols | what was it then? |
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| 12:49.43 | enouf | not meant to be, i mean ;-) |
| 12:49.58 | kevind | can anyone tell me who knows the user whos nick is dzzydns |
| 12:49.59 | kevind | ? |
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| 12:51.10 | enouf | i've considered using it a while back, but never noticed anyone talking about it, so i thought maybe it was old hat, and oh well, as i know now, seems similar to a slackware or bsd style boot |
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| 12:52.31 | n3kl | enouf: is it a rc script manager? |
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| 12:53.21 | ki | kevind |
| 12:53.27 | ki | do /ns info (nick) all |
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| 12:56.17 | enouf | n3kl: appears to be so - i first noticed it in the reference |
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| 12:56.45 | enouf | n3kl: the debian reference ofcourse |
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| 12:58.55 | enouf | the pkg descript is informative, actually ;-) |
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| 13:01.44 | Canaris_ | Hey |
| 13:02.24 | Canaris_ | Has the hardware recognition changed in the new d-i as well? |
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| 13:02.48 | enouf | !dbse |
| 13:02.48 | dpkg | i heard dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
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| 13:03.30 | Canaris_ | I am talking about the new d-i in lenny |
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| 13:03.35 | n3kl | Why does ctrl + s lock the terminal? |
| 13:03.36 | Canaris_ | that just came out a few days ago |
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| 13:04.18 | abrotman | n3kl: suspend |
| 13:04.29 | n3kl | abrotman: how do you desuspend? |
| 13:04.36 | abrotman | ctrl-q |
| 13:05.31 | daya | is there is any way to extract file in .tar.gz through ftp, |
| 13:05.49 | n3kl | Ah, neat |
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| 13:05.59 | n3kl | abrotman: I have killed many jobs out of ignorance |
| 13:06.00 | daya | or can I execute a shell scrip through http |
| 13:06.08 | n3kl | cgi |
| 13:06.10 | abrotman | n3kl: i'm sure you're not the only one :) |
| 13:06.34 | env | <daya>is there is any way to extract file in .tar.gz through ftp, |
| 13:06.35 | env | no |
| 13:06.35 | n3kl | googles to find http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/shortcuts.html |
| 13:06.40 | env | <daya>or can I execute a shell scrip through http |
| 13:06.46 | env | hell no |
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| 13:06.57 | env | unless you use some php tomfoolery |
| 13:07.17 | force | anyone in here know howto recreate a qmail queue? |
| 13:07.23 | env | php.net/exec |
| 13:07.53 | abrotman | force: #qmail perhaps |
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| 13:08.01 | force | no one is alive :/ |
| 13:08.06 | force | figured someone in here might know |
| 13:09.22 | Maulkin | force: try #qmail. |
| 13:09.31 | Maulkin | force: Why did you think we'd know? |
| 13:10.00 | JoeShmo | yeah really... I run qmail on a FreeBSD system.. Linux is for desktops.. :P |
| 13:10.06 | abrotman | you know .. out of 800 people .. someone must be silly enough to use qmail |
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| 13:10.32 | Maulkin | It's not in Debian. |
| 13:10.46 | jelly-home | abrotman: indeed! |
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| 13:11.38 | daya | env, :) |
| 13:12.24 | env | was that what you were looking for? |
| 13:13.06 | jelly-home | only knows that filenames in one of the queue dirs have to correspond to their inode numbers (therefore, a file-based restore breaks the queue) |
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| 13:14.50 | abrotman | Blackmagic: do not msg me |
| 13:15.09 | Blackmagic | why |
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| 13:15.25 | abrotman | because i said so? |
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| 13:15.49 | Blackmagic | No |
| 13:16.17 | JoeShmo | has anyone had Xorg take about 99% cpu, but restarting xcompmgr brings it back down to its typical 0-1%? |
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| 13:17.30 | valdyn | JoeShmo: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 13:17.39 | valdyn | JoeShmo: ( while compiz is not running ) |
| 13:18.15 | Blackmagic | hi valdyn |
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| 13:19.13 | fl4mi | a |
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| 13:19.34 | JoeShmo | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 13:20.21 | JoeShmo | (I dont have compiz installed) |
| 13:20.51 | garotosopa | Say I removed mysql from startup with "update-rc.d -f mysql remove", how do I prevent it from being at startup again when I update the package? |
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| 13:22.14 | JoeShmo | hm... is compiz the preferred replacement for xcompmgr? or just another composite manager? |
| 13:25.15 | abrotman | i thought xcompmgr was part of compiz |
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| 13:26.19 | JoeShmo | not according to apt-file.. (shrug). maybe thats why I had such a hard time installing it... had to use the experimental branch.. |
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| 13:27.34 | k-man__ | how do i set the default debconf frontend from gnome to dialog? |
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| 13:28.08 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 13:28.17 | Maulkin | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 13:28.44 | k-man__ | thanks |
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| 13:32.41 | amitprakash | where do i get libdb |
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| 13:35.33 | hoxu | !tell amitprakash -about search |
| 13:35.53 | amitprakash | hoxu, the source |
| 13:35.57 | amitprakash | hoxu, not the deb |
| 13:36.05 | hoxu | amitprakash, apt-get source |
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| 13:36.23 | as | hello everybody |
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| 13:36.55 | enouf | amitprakash: /msg dpkg deb-src |
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| 13:38.33 | enouf | n3kl: might like http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Control_keys |
| 13:39.12 | muramasa | Hey all. I have a small question about restoring a system from a backup, grub to be more specified. I will have remade the partitiontables when restoring the system - would it just be to change the /boot/grub/menu.lst entry to the new partition? (right now /dev/sda3 is /, after it will be /dev/sda1 or such) |
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| 13:39.37 | joltcan | muramasa: Yes, that is enough |
| 13:40.11 | joltcan | muramasa: As long as you still have the bootsector with grub on the disk you are trying to boot from |
| 13:40.45 | muramasa | joltcan: it is the same disk, so i assume the mbr would be the same |
| 13:42.23 | wols | muramasa: you will have to reintall grub |
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| 13:42.51 | wols | . you partitions changed, chances are the sectors grub is on changed too |
| 13:43.23 | muramasa | wols: I thought so too. I thought of making a fresh debian installation and then doing the recovery, so grub gets installed smoothly :-) |
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| 13:43.59 | JoeShmo | muramasa: did the partition containing /boot change? |
| 13:44.07 | erik_ | where can I find a howto to install a sata DVD writer |
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| 13:44.44 | muramasa | JoeShmo: I don't have a separate /boot, so I assume it's in /? |
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| 13:45.43 | JoeShmo | muramasa: you might want to grab the "super grub disk", or some other grub installer, just to be safe.. |
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| 13:51.32 | valdyn | erik_: you dont have to do anything in debian to set up that writer |
| 13:51.49 | valdyn | erik_: which would make a howto kind of pointless |
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| 13:54.55 | sayers | Hello, whats the status of Nvidia packages? |
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| 13:55.07 | cahoot | tainted |
| 13:55.23 | sayers | Tainted but working? |
| 13:56.20 | LimCore | when I use sudo, how to make the system to ask me for some speciall password? Not for root password, not user password, but a speciall user-sudo password? |
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| 13:57.34 | joltcan | LimCore: Sudo is "superuser do", so it will always ask you for your password |
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| 13:59.01 | joltcan | LimCore: An ugly solution is to add another user with uid 0 and authenticate to that instead |
| 14:00.59 | abrotman | uh |
| 14:01.08 | hoxu | Is there any secure way of root attaching to another user's screen, when screen is not suid (only thing I know is 'chmod o+rw `tty`; su -c "screen -x" user' but that seems dangerous)? |
| 14:01.26 | LimCore | joltcan: can't that be done nicelly with some PAM or soemthing |
| 14:01.50 | erik_ | valdyn: nevertheless: the DVD shows up nicely in Nautilus, but writinr to it with nero linux does not work, and not from a VMware WinXP nero eitheri |
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| 14:02.11 | valdyn | erik_: nero is not in debian, its not supported here |
| 14:02.37 | valdyn | erik_: tell us the real error though |
| 14:02.39 | erik_ | valdyn: cdrdao does not work either... the drive does not show up in cdrdao. |
| 14:02.54 | valdyn | erik_: try as root |
| 14:03.01 | erik_ | valdyn: did that |
| 14:03.05 | LimCore | erik_: perhaps the program that recorded dvd should had use other options, in example multisession |
| 14:03.14 | valdyn | erik_: uname -r |
| 14:03.19 | erik_ | in cdrdao, the other one , a dvd reader, does show |
| 14:04.14 | erik_ | 2.6.18-6-k7 |
| 14:04.37 | valdyn | erik_: how does cdrdao "show" your burners? |
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| 14:05.03 | valdyn | ah, scanbus |
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| 14:05.37 | erik_ | it shows only the other one, the dvd reader. |
| 14:07.00 | erik_ | valdyn: fstab line: "/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0" |
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| 14:07.21 | valdyn | erik_: that line has nothing to do with burning a cd |
| 14:07.41 | erik_ | ok |
| 14:07.57 | valdyn | erik_: that is your burner? |
| 14:08.03 | valdyn | erik_: scd0 i mean |
| 14:08.06 | erik_ | nope: reader |
| 14:08.14 | valdyn | erik_: and the burner? |
| 14:08.33 | erik_ | it's a LG GH20 |
| 14:08.43 | valdyn | erik_: which device node does it use? |
| 14:08.53 | erik_ | oh sorry: in the fstab, that was the burner indeed |
| 14:08.53 | wols | muh2000_: restoring the partition(s) and then running grub-install is enough |
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| 14:09.28 | wfq | hi guys |
| 14:09.29 | erik_ | the reader is /dev/hdc |
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| 14:09.41 | erik_ | the reader is IDE |
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| 14:12.59 | valdyn | erik_: im not sure to what extent sata burners need your controllers support |
| 14:13.24 | valdyn | erik_: meaning i dont know enough to tell you if its possible that your sata controller might simply not support sata writers |
| 14:13.24 | wfq | I have set up my inte graphic thanks to debian lenny and I can get the resolution that I wanted, but now there is an area on the right and down which is wasted |
| 14:13.35 | wfq | I mean, it is not used by the graphic |
| 14:14.04 | erik_ | valdyn: hm.. i may have to find that our then... |
| 14:14.19 | wfq | My laptop has a 13.3 inches screen and Xlog is telling me that: (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 433 x 27 |
| 14:14.23 | erik_ | valdyn: I don't know anything about that... |
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| 14:15.26 | wfq | anyone has a clue that I could follow please? |
| 14:15.57 | valdyn | erik_: lspci | grep -i sata |
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| 14:17.01 | erik_ | valdyn: via vt6420 |
| 14:17.49 | valdyn | erik_: show the output of "dmesg | grep sr0" on a paste site too |
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| 14:18.37 | Younix | can you guys reccomend a lightweight p2p program |
| 14:18.39 | valdyn | erik_: that should at least be able to confirum that you cannot use that sata writer in your current configuration. |
| 14:19.02 | wfq | never mind what resolution I have, the screen is set at only 3/4 the whole one |
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| 14:19.28 | erik_ | valdyn: ok |
| 14:19.41 | env | younix: transmission |
| 14:19.50 | valdyn | wfq: is that an lcd/tft display? |
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| 14:20.10 | wfq | valdyn, yes, it my toshiba laptop |
| 14:20.14 | wfq | *it is |
| 14:20.27 | valdyn | wfq: you're aware that there'S only 1 resolution that is really supported ? |
| 14:20.38 | valdyn | wfq: and spans the whole screen at a time |
| 14:20.55 | wfq | valdyn, no I am not. which one? |
| 14:21.03 | valdyn | wfq: thats hardware dependent |
| 14:21.14 | valdyn | wfq: = specific to your monitor |
| 14:21.18 | wfq | in windows I have 1280/800 |
| 14:21.29 | valdyn | wfq: which you should probably use in linux too then |
| 14:22.05 | wfq | valdyn, that's what I am using, in fact, whatever resolution I set up now,, xorg is all the time setting up 1280x800 |
| 14:22.13 | valdyn | wfq: the error you pasted above is unrelated to screen resolution, it only tells us that X will assume the wrong physical size |
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| 14:22.34 | erik_ | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/db941fa1 |
| 14:22.47 | wfq | valdyn, where else could I look for in order to know what the error is |
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| 14:23.01 | wfq | there is not (EE) in the log, only warnings |
| 14:23.09 | valdyn | erik_: looks like its detected fine |
| 14:23.19 | erik_ | yep |
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| 14:23.50 | steven_ | I need a kernel with SMP support in lenny, any package recomendations |
| 14:24.21 | TZander | steven_: the default has SMP AFAIK |
| 14:24.30 | steven_ | well htop doesnt show both processors |
| 14:25.03 | TZander | steven_: what does uname -a say |
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| 14:25.37 | steven_ | 2.6.22-3-486 #1 |
| 14:26.43 | real0ne | i want to a command to know wich distibution for debian i have plz |
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| 14:27.04 | TZander | steven_: try installing either linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 or linux-image-2.6.22-3-686-bigmem |
| 14:27.21 | TZander | real0ne: cat /etc/issue.net |
| 14:27.26 | steven_ | TZander: thanks |
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| 14:27.58 | real0ne | TZander thanks |
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| 14:28.33 | tonyb486 | With xen on debian, the dom0's hdd got filled and witha dynamically expanding image there that was bad, so inside the other domains it says "Read-only filesystem" - but now that I freed up space how do I make that go away? |
| 14:29.08 | real0ne | TZander i want to know if i have stable or etch .... |
| 14:29.46 | TZander | real0ne: AFAIK stable == etch. (I may be wrong) testing == lenny. Unstable == sid |
| 14:29.58 | tonyb486 | Stable is etch, testing is lenny, unstable is sid, yes |
| 14:30.26 | x03 | when lenny frieze? |
| 14:30.36 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 14:30.36 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html |
| 14:30.42 | real0ne | TZander i want a command to know wich one i have |
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| 14:30.57 | abrotman | real0ne: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:31.04 | tonyb486 | so ... many.. acyronyms |
| 14:31.11 | x03 | tks abrotman |
| 14:31.26 | abrotman | real0ne: what does that say ? |
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| 14:32.38 | steven_ | How do I make ath0 a device that uses ath_pci drivers ? |
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| 14:33.11 | abrotman | load the driver |
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| 14:33.22 | steven_ | abrotman: so just modprobe ath0 |
| 14:33.27 | MrProper | hi |
| 14:33.32 | steven_ | I mean ath_pci |
| 14:33.35 | real0ne | abrotman 2.3.6.dsl-13etch5 GNU C |
| 14:33.40 | abrotman | so you have etch |
| 14:33.43 | MrProper | how com i dont have deb binary in system ? |
| 14:33.48 | MrProper | how can i install it? |
| 14:33.57 | abrotman | a what? |
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| 14:34.05 | abrotman | you mean dpkg ? |
| 14:34.11 | MrProper | deb command doesnt work |
| 14:34.24 | nkuttler | there is no deb command... |
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| 14:34.49 | nkuttler | man dpkg, man aptitude |
| 14:34.50 | real0ne | TZander can u send me a doc they explain the diference betwenn stable and testing and Unstable |
| 14:34.55 | abrotman | !releases |
| 14:34.55 | dpkg | [releases] See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 14:35.20 | MrProper | ah i see |
| 14:35.25 | real0ne | abrotman thanks |
| 14:35.50 | MrProper | apt-get install transcode, why it cant find transcode pkg? |
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| 14:37.13 | cahoot | !multimedia |
| 14:37.13 | dpkg | somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 14:38.11 | dmilith | !backports |
| 14:38.11 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 14:38.29 | steven_ | Ah that's what a backport is =D |
| 14:38.38 | dmilith | lol |
| 14:38.44 | dmilith | ^^ |
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| 14:40.31 | ls3o1 | hi |
| 14:41.30 | steven_ | How do I get wpa_cli to work with wpa_supplicant, I'm running wpa_supplicant -Dmadwifi -iath0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 14:41.52 | steven_ | ah ath0 was never made :( |
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| 14:43.41 | steven_ | How do I make ath0 a device |
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| 14:44.53 | erik_ | valdyn: weird thing: cdrdao only shows the DVD reader, wodim only shows the DVD writer.... |
| 14:44.53 | cahoot | loading correct module/driver and possibly firmware should do the trick |
| 14:45.07 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 14:45.08 | dpkg | well, madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 14:45.25 | steven_ | abrotman: I went thorugh that |
| 14:45.38 | abrotman | it either failed or worked |
| 14:45.44 | steven_ | abrotman: It worked |
| 14:45.47 | steven_ | but |
| 14:45.53 | steven_ | ath0 is not in my ifconfig |
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| 14:46.02 | stew | steven_: is it in "ifconfig -a"? |
| 14:46.15 | TZander | wonders if someone here knows why kpowersave fails to suspend, while s2disk from a konsole works fine. Any debugging I can run? |
| 14:46.27 | steven_ | Tes |
| 14:46.32 | steven_ | yes |
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| 14:47.49 | steven_ | stew: What can I do with that though |
| 14:47.59 | abrotman | configure it for your network |
| 14:48.32 | lymeca | I'm trying to compile a kernel with make-kpkg but it defaults to asking me about each config option ever |
| 14:48.40 | steven_ | abrotman: yes but how :) |
| 14:48.52 | lymeca | I already ran make menuconfig and generated a .config file in the root of my kernel source tree |
| 14:48.55 | stew | steven_: its not in "ifconfig" but is in "ifconfig -a" becuase it hasn't been brought up yet. i have no idea if that has anything to do with your wpa_supplicant problem. you could try "ifconfig ath0 up" in order to bring it up |
| 14:49.12 | lymeca | The manual entry for make-kgkg isn't really clear on how to specifically tell it to use a certain file for the config |
| 14:49.22 | stew | lymeca: did you run "make oldconfig" ? |
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| 14:49.29 | steven_ | stew: that worked pretty well I think |
| 14:49.44 | stew | lymeca: you don't have to tell it to use a certain config. it will use .config |
| 14:49.59 | lymeca | stew: No I ran make menuconfig, then make-kpkg clean, then tried to compile with make-kpkg |
| 14:50.16 | lymeca | stew: Should the file actually be named '.config'? |
| 14:50.17 | wfq | abrotman, I achieved what I was looking for. I upgrade my ethc to lenny and I got the intel working :). Thanks, but the desktop area is smaller than the screen. Do yo have an indea what that is happening? |
| 14:50.22 | lymeca | or can it be foo.config? |
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| 14:50.45 | stew | lymeca: yes 'make menuconfig' will edit the file named .config. did you start with a fresh .config? or a .config from another version? or what? |
| 14:50.51 | cusco | hello |
| 14:50.51 | abrotman | wfq: it's a laptop .. tell X to use the native resolution |
| 14:51.05 | cusco | testing users found any problem upgrading opsnssh latelly? |
| 14:51.19 | stew | cusco: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 14:51.27 | TZander | wfq: run xdpyinfo | grep dimens to check if you are running the right res |
| 14:51.42 | wfq | abrotman, whatever I don, nevermind, xserver-xorg is setting 1280x800 |
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| 14:51.51 | wfq | Tzander, yes I saw that with that command |
| 14:51.54 | steven_ | where is a configuration file for wpa_supplicant located? |
| 14:52.08 | abrotman | wfq: did you try the 915resolution package ? |
| 14:52.11 | stew | steven_: you specify it on the command line |
| 14:52.25 | stew | steven_: earlier, you said "-c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf" |
| 14:52.26 | TZander | wfq: everything looks fine on my intel/toshiba lappy :) |
| 14:52.44 | Nigromante | what distribution is good to IBM ThinkPad T23 ?? 256Ram and 20gbDD |
| 14:52.45 | steven_ | stew: that file is empty though |
| 14:52.54 | wfq | yes, I did that when using etch and it showed me an error message saying the chips was wrong |
| 14:52.54 | tore_ | Nigromante: debian? |
| 14:52.55 | tore_ | ;_) |
| 14:53.08 | lymeca | stew: I'm getting an error now: |
| 14:53.14 | wfq | Tzander, I have also a toshiba/intel G965 |
| 14:53.23 | lymeca | 'Your awk program does not define gensub. Use gawk or another awk with gensub." |
| 14:53.29 | wfq | Tzander, is that your case? Could you please paste your Xorg.conf file? |
| 14:53.41 | stew | lymeca: what does "readlink -f $(which awk)" return? |
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| 14:53.54 | stew | steven_: that would probably be a problem |
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| 14:54.04 | lymeca | stew: /usr/bin/mawk |
| 14:54.12 | steven_ | stew: yes |
| 14:54.14 | TZander | wfq: toshiba tecra. Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller |
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| 14:54.18 | Nigromante | tore_ ah ok and so running fine? and X? kde? |
| 14:54.28 | TZander | wfq: unchanged xorg.conf |
| 14:54.30 | stew | lymeca: try "aptitude install gawk" ; "update-alternatives --config awk" and select gawk |
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| 14:54.44 | cusco | stew: all the bugs listed for openssh-server on testing are more than one year old... and the problem I am having is not related with its fuynctuinality |
| 14:54.59 | cusco | it is having troubles backing up a symlink as part of the upgrade process |
| 14:55.01 | wfq | Tzander, anyway the driver you are using now is the samethat I am using so mine should work |
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| 14:55.20 | cusco | but I don't quite understand where that symlink should be to do it manually |
| 14:55.26 | TZander | wfq: http://pastebin.com/m56b34a53 |
| 14:55.36 | wfq | Tzander, thanks |
| 14:55.57 | cusco | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openssh-server_1%3a4.7p1-4_i386.deb (--unpack): unable to make backup link of `./usr/sbin/sshd' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
| 14:55.58 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 14:56.09 | TZander | wfq: I just installed xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 14:56.11 | cusco | lol |
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| 14:56.23 | wfq | Tzander, me too |
| 14:56.24 | steven_ | stew: the card finds the network and such |
| 14:56.38 | steven_ | stew: Is there a way I can one line join, with a password and such? |
| 14:56.40 | Nigromante | I are selling in the $ 500 is that the buy? A ThinkPad T23 |
| 14:56.57 | stew | steven_: yeah, configure the password for that network in the wpa_supplicant config file |
| 14:57.33 | cusco | the whole error - http://rafb.net/p/EBM4WL12.html - unpackign the package |
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| 14:58.03 | phorce1 | needs to add a drive/partition just for /usr/src and /usr/local. PLaying with getting DVB-S working is eating up my 5G / partition. Yuck. |
| 14:58.04 | donald_ | ahh |
| 14:58.13 | stew | cusco: what does "lsattr /usr/sbin/sshd" return? all -------------? or are there letters in there? |
| 14:58.14 | steven_ | stew: just write the password in plain text? |
| 14:58.18 | wfq | Tzander, which is the size of your screen in inches please? |
| 14:58.39 | stew | steven_: no, you'll have to look up the config file format |
| 14:58.48 | cusco | stew: su--ia------------ |
| 14:58.57 | TZander | wfq: dimensions: 1280x800 pixels (338x211 millimeters) |
| 14:59.13 | steven_ | stew: yes under psk="" would i just write the password in plain text? |
| 14:59.15 | donald_ | where do i configure the cpu powersave/performance settings? |
| 14:59.23 | stew | cusco: yeah, that explains it. someone with admin rights went out of their way to make you not able to change the sshd daemon? did you do that with chattr? |
| 14:59.25 | wfq | Tzander you have something like: DisplaySize 332 206 in the monitor section you commented out the option of tion "DPMS" |
| 14:59.35 | stew | steven_: yes |
| 14:59.49 | wfq | 338? is taht 13.3 " more or less? |
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| 15:00.02 | donald_ | or to be more precise, how do i make it stay on a certain setting on boot-up and after a resume? |
| 15:00.11 | TZander | wfq: as I mentioned; this is an auto-generated xorg. You can calculate it by knowing that 1 inch is 25.4 mm. |
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| 15:00.53 | cusco | stew: no I did not, shall I chattr -i? |
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| 15:01.05 | stew | cusco: how many other people have root on this box? |
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| 15:01.36 | cusco | none |
| 15:01.38 | cusco | only me |
| 15:01.39 | stew | cusco: you box was hacked. you should reinstall it from scratch. |
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| 15:01.43 | cusco | not |
| 15:01.46 | cusco | no it was not |
| 15:01.50 | wfq | Tzander, I coming back. Killing X |
| 15:02.05 | abrotman | or he has filesystem damage |
| 15:02.17 | stew | cusco: who set chattr +i? i rarely ever see that unless it was a hacker, and since you didn't, then who? |
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| 15:03.02 | tonyb486 | with the errors=remount-ro, how would I mount it as rw again |
| 15:03.41 | steven_ | is ICEwm a good choice for a featured WM ? |
| 15:03.45 | stew | cusco: what other binaries in /usr/sbin or /usr/bin have such extended attributes? |
| 15:04.03 | stew | cusco: does "debsums openssh-server" show that sshd was altered? |
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| 15:06.10 | FreakGuard | is it risky to try a PXE without router (2 IP from ISP) |
| 15:06.20 | tuxan | steven_: icewm is a great light-weight and configurable wm |
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| 15:06.31 | cusco | too late stew I already upgraded - debsums shows everything ok |
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| 15:07.17 | lymeca | stew: I think it finished compiling but make-kpkg exited with this error: |
| 15:07.18 | lymeca | "dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0755)" |
| 15:08.03 | stew | lymeca: chmod -R g-s . |
| 15:08.37 | lymeca | stew: should I run the same make-kpgk command again or should I do make-kpkg clean first? |
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| 15:11.37 | stew | lymeca: you don't need to run clean |
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| 15:18.21 | bolt | which standard debian kernel is appropriate for an amd sempron? 686? k7? |
| 15:18.37 | bolt | it's not 64bit, afaik |
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| 15:19.01 | b_jonas | hi, |
| 15:19.33 | bolt | !green b_jonas |
| 15:19.36 | bolt | !greet b_jonas |
| 15:19.37 | dpkg | Welcome, b_jonas |
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| 15:20.41 | abrotman | bolt: -686 or -k7 |
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| 15:20.52 | phorce1 | yuck, I've started a link farm |
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| 15:21.45 | tuxan | bolt: 686 or k7 perform almost exactly the same on sempron |
| 15:21.53 | b_jonas | I think you must be bored about people asking this same problem |
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| 15:22.11 | b_jonas | but I'm installing shared libraries on my debian etch system and the programs can't normally find them |
| 15:22.25 | b_jonas | because /usr/local/lib is not in the normal search path of ld.so |
| 15:22.27 | bolt | abrotman, tuxan: thanks |
| 15:22.42 | b_jonas | so what's the general opinion about modifying the global ld.so.conf file to add it? |
| 15:22.47 | azeem | b_jonas: why do you do that? |
| 15:22.49 | bolt | !tell b_jonas about enter |
| 15:22.50 | b_jonas | does it break everything? is it safe? is it normal? |
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| 15:23.21 | steven_ | Hey! I'm able to use wpa_gui and connect, just it will not assign me a IP |
| 15:24.35 | steven_ | stew: I even opened the network. What else is required? |
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| 15:25.15 | stew | steven_: try "dhclient ath0" |
| 15:25.26 | Justin | b_jonas: use /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
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| 15:25.44 | stew | steven_: if this works, you are going to want to figure out how to configure all this stuff in /etc/network/interfaces so that this happens automaticall |
| 15:26.01 | stew | steven_: or you may want to just use some frontend like network-manager which does all this for you |
| 15:26.54 | b_jonas | Justin: ok, and if I use that, is it safe |
| 15:27.14 | b_jonas | won't it break some programs that should use the shared libraries coming with debian |
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| 15:27.29 | Justin | b_jonas: why would it do that? |
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| 15:27.49 | b_jonas | Justin: because they find the newer versions I install instead |
| 15:27.57 | azeem | b_jonas: of course |
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| 15:28.06 | azeem | b_jonas: so the question is: 16:21 < azeem> b_jonas: why do you do that? |
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| 15:28.24 | Justin | b_jonas: newer versions of what? |
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| 15:28.37 | superlinux | i am looking for how can i cache bittorrent using linux? i know that squid is only http cache |
| 15:28.52 | cloakable | o.o |
| 15:28.58 | b_jonas | Justin: of mpfr specifically |
| 15:29.14 | b_jonas | because I'm compiling gcc and it needs a newer version of libmpfr than what etch has |
| 15:29.27 | wols | superlinux: not practicable |
| 15:29.52 | azeem | b_jonas: so check backports.org, or backport the debian package yourself |
| 15:29.57 | wols | tho. there are some companies offering that service. uptake is slow since it's a copyirhg nightmare |
| 15:30.03 | wols | *copyright |
| 15:30.11 | superlinux | but dont u think so... esp. in australia they use ip accounting |
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| 15:30.37 | superlinux | dont u think that caching it is good in such case? |
| 15:31.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | still dont know why you'd want to cache bittorrent |
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| 15:31.34 | superlinux | Kamping_Kaiser our ISP's use IP accounting to charge us money |
| 15:31.46 | superlinux | there is a download quota |
| 15:31.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | superlinux, so your with telstra then? |
| 15:32.05 | superlinux | bigpond |
| 15:32.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes... telstra |
| 15:32.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | your ISP sucks. change it. |
| 15:32.17 | superlinux | i know that some other companies dont |
| 15:32.33 | superlinux | but i think we need such a solution in such a case |
| 15:33.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | i cant see how caching bit torrent would be practical |
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| 15:34.55 | joltcan | Cacing bittorrent is an interim solution, the more they encrypt and obfuscate, the less you can cache |
| 15:35.22 | superlinux | well look at this |
| 15:35.28 | superlinux | http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/ |
| 15:35.30 | maligor | the bad behaving isps killing it for the rest, eh |
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| 15:36.00 | joltcan | Yes, there is solutions, but they won't work for all cases |
| 15:36.14 | maligor | they should just block all traffic and proxy http if they want to get rid of p2p |
| 15:36.19 | joltcan | and it specially doesn't work if they start to use some other protocol instead |
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| 15:36.48 | joltcan | No, they should buy our box (http://www.packetlogic.com) and prioritize on layer 7 :) |
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| 15:37.58 | maligor | no such host, heh |
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| 15:38.26 | joltcan | heh, I was wrong, it was to end with .se |
| 15:38.30 | grub | hello, i am on a Dell Latitude D520. How do i get the in-built microphone to work? |
| 15:38.39 | joltcan | Anyway, I don't want to spam to much with comercials in here |
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| 15:38.57 | maligor | quite frankly ISP's shouldn't block anything |
| 15:38.58 | DEadPunk- | helloo hereee |
| 15:39.10 | maligor | it's not their business, they're supposed to sell bandwidth |
| 15:39.24 | steven__ | How does pulse audio work yet? |
| 15:39.26 | DEadPunk- | i want to add the repos of south africa |
| 15:39.51 | grub | i can select "Front Mic" from gamix, but that doesn't seem to help. Sound Recorder ( gnome-sound-recorder) won't open up, complaining that my audio capturing settings are invalid |
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| 15:40.29 | wfq | hello |
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| 15:41.17 | DEadPunk- | i want to add the repos of south africa ! can anyway tell me in which format to add the line in the sources.list |
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| 15:41.34 | abrotman | DEadPunk-: man sources.list |
| 15:41.41 | abrotman | okay |
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| 15:41.56 | superlinux | joltcan then the best solution is to make a web based client installed on one computer that checks if the same file is already downloaded |
| 15:42.05 | verb3k | Hi, I am an ubuntu user and would like to know what the Debian project people think about ubuntu... |
| 15:42.08 | superlinux | joltcan then the best solution is to make a web based client installed on one computer that checks if the same file is already downloaded on itself |
| 15:42.18 | valdyn | verb3k: thats off topic |
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| 15:42.41 | beardy | In more ways than one. |
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| 15:43.24 | untitled | hi! where does debian keep the list of installed packages? I can't remove fuse-modules and I don't know why, purge doesn't help and I can't install anything else, it's just trying to remove fuse-modules and fails |
| 15:43.30 | abrotman | !installed |
| 15:43.30 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 15:43.37 | superlinux | i.e. ONLY one computer is allowed to download P2P.. and all other ppl use the webserver on that computer to get the already downloaded |
| 15:43.44 | abrotman | untitled: show us the error somewhere |
| 15:44.18 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:44.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:44.18 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 15:44.19 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
| 15:45.16 | wfq | does anyone have a laptop which size is 13.3" and can let me know what the Xorg.conf setting is please? |
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| 15:45.27 | soto | Is the ntfs-3g driver considered safe for writing data? |
| 15:46.17 | abrotman | wfq: did you try the 915resolution package ? |
| 15:46.32 | enouf | is that the 945 guy? |
| 15:46.44 | untitled | abrotman, something like this http://rafb.net/p/olIk9N98.html |
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| 15:46.57 | wfq | abrotman, yes I tried but is keeping on telling I have the wrong chipset for using that |
| 15:46.58 | abrotman | enouf: 965 |
| 15:47.00 | wfq | enouf,yes |
| 15:47.06 | wfq | 965 :) |
| 15:47.14 | steven__ | What is the best / most featured web MPD interface? |
| 15:47.18 | abrotman | untitled: touch /lib/modules/2.6.24.2/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko |
| 15:48.42 | untitled | abrotman, hm, seems to help, thanks)) |
| 15:49.13 | salvin | steven__, icecast? |
| 15:49.27 | enouf | wfq: you;ve exhausted all you can find from the results of "/msg dpkg laptop" ? tried hwinfo --monitor, xrandr, xdpyinfo ? |
| 15:50.03 | abrotman | salvin: that's a web interface? |
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| 15:50.13 | steven__ | salvin: I'll try amapache |
| 15:50.18 | steven__ | Is firefox 3 in Lenny? |
| 15:50.29 | xuser | no |
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| 15:51.09 | steven__ | xuser: Any particular reason why not |
| 15:51.18 | salvin | steven__, it's a server for streaming |
| 15:51.25 | abrotman | firstly it's not released .. secondly, Debian doesn't distribute firefox |
| 15:51.28 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 15:51.28 | dpkg | somebody said iceweasel was the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 15:51.55 | steven__ | Well in any event it is released |
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| 15:52.04 | salvin | stevem_, cause it's beta |
| 15:52.04 | enouf | nope |
| 15:52.10 | salvin | steven__, |
| 15:52.33 | abrotman | steven__: when was FF3 released? |
| 15:52.43 | steven__ | It is in beta, and isn't Lenny beta? |
| 15:52.54 | salvin | no |
| 15:52.56 | abrotman | steven__: and debian doestn't distribute firefox |
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| 15:53.29 | enouf | steven__: /msg dpkg releases |
| 15:53.55 | salvin | steven__, the beta software is in experimental |
| 15:54.12 | abrotman | that's not quite true either .. |
| 15:54.38 | cloner | man...my internet is messed up today |
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| 15:55.06 | cloner | what is kgameportd |
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| 15:55.20 | salvin | abrotman, there's beta software in sid? |
| 15:55.37 | salvin | is there* |
| 15:55.38 | Tenkawa | Any recommedations for a 10/100 or 10/100/1000 nic with onboard cpu that is well supported in linux/debian? |
| 15:55.44 | abrotman | salvin: i meant your description of experimental |
| 15:55.53 | amitprakash | Tenkawa, rtl 8150 |
| 15:55.57 | Tenkawa | is trying to offload io from his server |
| 15:56.00 | Tenkawa | amitprakash: thanks |
| 15:56.01 | soto | What significance is the block size parameter when using DD? |
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| 15:56.12 | salvin | SOME beta software is in experimental |
| 15:56.13 | jetscreamer | bigger blocks |
| 15:56.14 | abrotman | soto: chunk size |
| 15:56.16 | salvin | ok? :) |
| 15:56.28 | soto | abrotman: I beg your pardon? |
| 15:56.37 | abrotman | soto: sorry .. it was the beans |
| 15:56.53 | abrotman | soto: roughly the chunk size that you move |
| 15:57.10 | soto | abrotman: Why would I select one size or another? |
| 15:57.22 | abrotman | soto: it depends what you're dd'ing |
| 15:57.30 | soto | abrotman: Backing up a partition. |
| 15:57.54 | abrotman | i probably wouldn't specify |
| 15:57.56 | hoxu | soto, doesn't just "dd if=... of=file" do? |
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| 15:58.19 | soto | hoxu: I don't know, does it? I |
| 15:58.31 | soto | I'm backing up a partition. It's not time for experimentation. |
| 15:58.31 | salvin | soto, use tar |
| 15:58.44 | jetscreamer | somebody said the bs being bigger would speed it up, iirc |
| 15:58.50 | jetscreamer | me i don't know |
| 15:58.55 | soto | salvin: No, I need the exact partition. |
| 15:59.47 | jetscreamer | i'm dd'ing a 7G hd atm, the 320 is next :/ |
| 15:59.48 | salvin | dd if=partIn of=partOut |
| 15:59.54 | jetscreamer | if=/dev/zero |
| 16:00.02 | salvin | lol |
| 16:00.28 | jetscreamer | sloooow |
| 16:01.13 | salvin | if he want the exact partition... |
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| 16:01.53 | hoxu | soto, well, if you can figure out the moon's position and do some calculations on the optimal block size, then provide it, if you value *your* time (not the server's) just go with the default ;) |
| 16:02.32 | soto | hoxu: Time is not a huge issue. I'm concerned with integrity. |
| 16:02.57 | salvin | soto, then use dd |
| 16:03.04 | soto | salvin: I am using dd. |
| 16:03.07 | jetscreamer | he is |
| 16:03.07 | apol | could anybody tell me how do I solve the libmagick10 issue? |
| 16:03.20 | jetscreamer | apol: you mean the upgrade thing? wait. |
| 16:03.25 | apol | yes |
| 16:03.29 | jetscreamer | lenny eh? |
| 16:03.36 | apol | sid 8-) |
| 16:03.37 | jetscreamer | sid just fixed itself |
| 16:03.42 | jetscreamer | works fine |
| 16:03.43 | apol | really? |
| 16:03.45 | jetscreamer | oh wait |
| 16:03.50 | hoxu | jetscreamer, what are you smoking? |
| 16:03.58 | jetscreamer | is it that overwrite thing? |
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| 16:04.02 | apol | yes |
| 16:04.06 | jetscreamer | i forced it.. djvu something? |
| 16:04.12 | jetscreamer | libdjvu |
| 16:04.12 | apol | yes |
| 16:04.16 | jetscreamer | i forced it |
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| 16:04.35 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i --force-something /var/cache/apt/archives/blah.deb |
| 16:04.35 | dpkg | removes a speen from jetscreamer and replaces it with --force-something /var/cache/apt/archives/blah.deb |
| 16:05.10 | phorce1 | dpkg speen? |
| 16:05.25 | phorce1 | heh |
| 16:05.28 | jetscreamer | spleen maybe |
| 16:06.31 | jetscreamer | --force-overwrite probably, i'm lazy and use --force-all |
| 16:06.48 | jetscreamer | and don't care if it breaks something |
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| 16:08.30 | apol | jetscreamer: seems to work now |
| 16:08.33 | jetscreamer | dd: writing to `/dev/sdc': No space left on device ... well there's the 7gig |
| 16:08.38 | apol | but it is an ugly fix :S |
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| 16:09.10 | soto | Is there a way to get rsync to show total time remaining? |
| 16:09.24 | jetscreamer | apol: it's probably exactly like it would have been if the packages had been made properly though.. not sure |
| 16:09.31 | jetscreamer | still feels funny |
| 16:09.37 | hoxu | soto, for all files? Probably no. But for one, maybe --progress |
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| 16:10.08 | soto | hoxu: Yeah I know of --progress. Not very useful if you are transferring many non-large files. |
| 16:10.51 | hoxu | soto, then you are out of luck, I don't think rsync has that information before it has finished the whole sync, and then it's not very useful :p |
| 16:11.22 | soto | An unfortunate omission. |
| 16:11.45 | hoxu | having that "feature" would probably have a performance impact not worth paying |
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| 16:12.10 | hoxu | but if you can come up with something viable, I'm sure the rsync authors accept patches ;) |
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| 16:13.06 | steven__ | what is the newer version of xmms |
| 16:13.08 | jetscreamer | i need to clean out my garage... i bet i have enough time before this 320G dd is done, too |
| 16:13.21 | hoxu | steven__, define newer? |
| 16:13.32 | jetscreamer | xmms2 |
| 16:13.50 | steven__ | hoxu: I thought there was like wxmms or something audacity maybe? |
| 16:13.54 | steven__ | Audicous? |
| 16:14.08 | jetscreamer | there is both iirc.. and it's audacity |
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| 16:14.29 | jetscreamer | xmms2 came after both afaik though |
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| 16:14.55 | Bac9 | steven__: there's also bmpx, and a whole lot of others |
| 16:15.08 | hoxu | steven__, there was also beep media player or something like that... but I think people are mostly using amarok if they can afford the resource hogging |
| 16:15.21 | jetscreamer | mplayer |
| 16:15.31 | jetscreamer | i even use it in windows for audio |
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| 16:17.52 | jetscreamer | hmm could probably hook up some goomtype visual effects too w/o too much hassle |
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| 16:18.19 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. it's audacious .. audacity is for recording |
| 16:18.43 | ki | i use audacity sometimes |
| 16:18.52 | ki | mostly logic though |
| 16:20.34 | dmilith | could anyone tell me how to permanently remove mails from postfix's queue ? |
| 16:21.15 | jetscreamer | o |
| 16:21.28 | jetscreamer | well i use neither so... |
| 16:21.54 | jelly-home | dmilith: man postsuper? |
| 16:22.13 | dmilith | will pleasure will cut all spammers balls :/ |
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| 16:22.24 | dmilith | mother folkers |
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| 16:22.27 | dmilith | :\ |
| 16:22.34 | abrotman | dmilith: you could ask #postfix .. |
| 16:22.35 | jetscreamer | what the frak! |
| 16:22.56 | jetscreamer | is putting off the garage :/ |
| 16:23.29 | jetscreamer | i cleaned out the new garage yesterday |
| 16:23.39 | jetscreamer | damn filthy pigs |
| 16:23.45 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 16:23.46 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 16:24.35 | jetscreamer | i was doing scientific research.. yeah that's it. |
| 16:24.40 | hoxu | the channel isn't busy though - jetscreamer is :p |
| 16:24.48 | jetscreamer | dd'ing a 320 vs the garage |
| 16:25.17 | jelly-home | hoxu: see the "primary reason" part :-> |
| 16:25.20 | jetscreamer | i'll have to start over you messed me up! |
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| 16:25.52 | Chico-SP | Hi. |
| 16:25.57 | jetscreamer | coffee is ontopic though, no debate |
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| 16:26.21 | Chico-SP | I have some users that can bind 5 ports each one. |
| 16:26.26 | spacix | Hi, I have a system with 1 drive with 2 partitions, one ext3 for my debian installation, one with my ntfs Windows Vista installation, grub works now and automatically boots in to Debian without having the option at start to boot into vista, how can I add this? |
| 16:26.35 | Chico-SP | How can I define which ports each user can open? |
| 16:27.06 | jetscreamer | spacix: less /boot/grub/menu.lst there is an example in there |
| 16:27.11 | jetscreamer | or just edit it |
| 16:27.20 | jetscreamer | pay attention to the automagic sections |
| 16:27.27 | hoxu | Chico-SP, by default low ports (<=1024) are root-only, others are available to all users |
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| 16:27.36 | jetscreamer | anything you put in there will be overwritten |
| 16:27.43 | jetscreamer | do it above or below |
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| 16:28.21 | ravn | hey ppl, I'm looking for a tool to generate schedules, i.e. for schools, anyone know of such a tool? |
| 16:28.31 | neo2k | spacix: check your msg |
| 16:28.32 | Chico-SP | hoxu: i know but the first user can only open 1024, 1025...1028. |
| 16:28.42 | spacix | neo2k: thanks a lot |
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| 16:28.51 | Chico-SP | And I need to find a way to forbid the user to bind on more ports. |
| 16:29.06 | abrotman | neo2k: you should do that in the channel |
| 16:29.22 | abrotman | neo2k: or paste it in a pastebin |
| 16:29.35 | abrotman | ravn: like a paper calendar ? |
| 16:29.36 | neo2k | abrotman: I know, just felt like so much work :> |
| 16:29.57 | abrotman | neo2k: you realize yours might not work for him? |
| 16:31.23 | Farhad | I have a problem by my drive with ext3 format, when I delete a file from that drive , free space of that remains 0byte! how fix it? |
| 16:31.35 | da78 | How can i see local mail (from commandline mail) in eg. mail programm iceweasel? |
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| 16:31.54 | stew | Farhad: space isnt' reclaimed if the file is still open by some other process |
| 16:32.09 | hoxu | Chico-SP, to be honest, I have no idea how that would be possible... probably not with a vanilla kernel |
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| 16:32.25 | ravn | abrotman: yes, you know, to handle different classes... |
| 16:32.31 | hoxu | Chico-SP, is that requirement carved in stone? |
| 16:32.38 | Chico-SP | hoxu: :( Ok. Thanks :) |
| 16:32.46 | abrotman | ravn: i meant on paper ... try checking freshmeat.net |
| 16:32.52 | Chico-SP | quit |
| 16:33.18 | Farhad | no, stew , i had restarted!, unmounted, and run fsck, but! |
| 16:33.19 | jetscreamer | iceweasel is the browser |
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| 16:33.34 | jetscreamer | icedove is the mail client |
| 16:33.45 | hoxu | hrmh, this must be a horrible place to idle any longer than necessary since people are so eager to leave before answering questions. |
| 16:33.47 | da78 | sorry my fault, i mean icedove, sorry. |
| 16:34.14 | jetscreamer | the downloaded mail is under ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/blah/foo/whatever |
| 16:34.18 | jetscreamer | somewhere |
| 16:34.33 | ravn | abrotman: I did that, could not find anything too interesting... |
| 16:34.43 | stew | Farhad: how are you measuring free space? |
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| 16:35.16 | da78 | ok and the mail folder is under /var/mail/username but how to import in icedove? |
| 16:35.21 | jetscreamer | but i don't know how to read it |
| 16:35.22 | stew | Farhad: you probably just have no available space becuase your free space is being reserved for root |
| 16:35.25 | abrotman | ravn: uhm .. there is a debian-edu project ... schoolforge.net |
| 16:36.09 | jetscreamer | ohhh you want to import it |
| 16:36.20 | jetscreamer | no idea... you could always email it to yourself |
| 16:36.35 | enouf | i did it with kmail |
| 16:37.00 | enouf | i'm sure most GUI MTAs have an import function |
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| 16:37.13 | abrotman | ravn: erm .. i meant "and also schoolforge.net |
| 16:37.18 | da78 | hmm or via xterm and mail....it would be nice if i can see new local mails directly in icedove, or? |
| 16:37.22 | jetscreamer | sounds like he might want to do it in buld |
| 16:37.26 | jetscreamer | bulk |
| 16:37.27 | stew | gui mta? |
| 16:37.40 | enouf | no idea what that means |
| 16:37.46 | jetscreamer | i think he means client |
| 16:37.48 | enouf | mua i meant |
| 16:37.52 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:37.57 | Farhad | stew, in one night this problem appears! i halted that after turning on , 0Byte free space |
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| 16:38.08 | stew | Farhad: how are you measuring free space? |
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| 16:38.48 | Farhad | stew, in nautilus writtens in status bar |
| 16:39.00 | stew | Farhad: show us the output of "df" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 16:40.44 | chops | So I'm building a Debian package keeping the debian/ directory in git... and dpkg-source seems to want to include .git in the .diff.gz file. Is there a general way to persuade it not to, or am I stuck just moving .git out of the way and back when I call dpkg-source? |
| 16:41.23 | azeem | chops: -igit |
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| 16:41.40 | azeem | like, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -S -igit |
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| 16:41.58 | chops | azeem: Works a treat, thanks! |
| 16:42.10 | acxty | Hi, guys I have an application that is sending me all the memory into cache, will that be a problem? |
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| 16:42.26 | Farhad | stew, http://pastebin.com/m43a2551d |
| 16:42.57 | stew | Farhad: i don't see a problem |
| 16:43.14 | stew | Farhad: other than that /media/fedora has no available space. it has free space |
| 16:43.15 | chops | acxty: If you mean that your application is too big to fit in physical memory (and so gets sent into the swap), it won't be a problem. It'll just be slow. |
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| 16:43.41 | stew | Farhad: by default 5% is reserved for root, which is why there is no available |
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| 16:44.03 | acxty | chops, the application is very small, but I have it running like for a month I notice that it send 1.5 GB into cache memory |
| 16:44.18 | stew | Farhad: you can change this default with tune2fs, assuming it is ext2 or ext3 |
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| 16:45.15 | Farhad | stew, I had deleted 500MB file, but don't change free space, this is my problem, |
| 16:45.30 | chops | acxty: What do you mean by, "it send 1.5 GB into cache memory"? What application gave you what output to tell you that? |
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| 16:45.41 | enouf | try localepurge perhaps |
| 16:45.49 | abrotman | enouf: did you look at the paste? |
| 16:45.49 | Nurulwai | Why the hell does imagemagick try and install about 50 other packages? Why the hell is one of the required installs for imagemagick iceweasel?! |
| 16:45.54 | jetscreamer | or sync |
| 16:45.56 | Nurulwai | How does that make any bloody sense at all |
| 16:45.59 | stew | Farhad: i'm asserting that nautilus isn't telling you about free space, but is actually telling you about available space |
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| 16:46.12 | abrotman | Nurulwai: it's not |
| 16:46.17 | enouf | abrotman: from Farhad? no i haven't |
| 16:46.17 | abrotman | !depends imagemagick |
| 16:46.21 | dpkg | imagemagick: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.15-1), libmagick10, libsm6, libtiff4, libx11-6, libxext6, libxt6, zlib1g |
| 16:46.23 | stew | Farhad: from your paste, df is showing that you do have free space, but none of it is available for anyone but root |
| 16:46.25 | abrotman | enouf: that might help ... |
| 16:46.31 | Nurulwai | I could paste you a whole load of shite if you want proof. |
| 16:46.46 | enouf | abrotman: help what? |
| 16:47.03 | steven__ | how do I get audacious down to the tray? |
| 16:47.14 | jetscreamer | Nurulwai: you would be able to resolve that trivially using dselect |
| 16:47.26 | jetscreamer | however, i'm not going to teach how atm |
| 16:47.48 | Farhad | stew, then why I delete a file don't change any thing in free space! |
| 16:47.55 | chops | Nurulwai: Put your exact command and the output into a pastebin |
| 16:48.10 | stew | Farhad: delete a file, then run df again, and show us the output |
| 16:48.18 | chops | Nurulwai: imagemagick should not depend on iceweasel. Does 'aptitude dist-upgrade' do anything? |
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| 16:48.36 | chops | Farhad: Sometimes when you delete a file, it's still in use by a process, so the file is not immediately deleted (only once the process is done with it). |
| 16:48.45 | chops | Farhad: (Not that that's _necessarily_ what's going on here) |
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| 16:49.12 | jetscreamer | Nurulwai: you're using synaptic or something? (or what) |
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| 16:49.30 | jetscreamer | Farhad: try typing sync |
| 16:49.32 | simonrvn | just because something gets installed at the same time doesn't mean it deps on it |
| 16:49.34 | jetscreamer | can't hurt |
| 16:49.41 | stew | or help |
| 16:49.46 | Nurulwai | chops: http://pastebin.com/d47e94a35 |
| 16:49.52 | jetscreamer | really? |
| 16:49.52 | Nurulwai | jetscreamer: Nope, apt-get. |
| 16:49.54 | jetscreamer | i wasn't sure |
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| 16:51.03 | abrotman | Nurulwai: you're running testing/unstable aren't you ? |
| 16:51.12 | chops | Nurulwai: Use aptitude, or complete your upgrade first. If you're on testing or unstable, run 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. |
| 16:51.17 | Farhad | stew, http://pastebin.com/m7d4a9213 i deleted 15M |
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| 16:51.26 | Nurulwai | abrotman: testing |
| 16:51.34 | stew | Farhad: right, and now you have more free space |
| 16:51.35 | chops | Nurulwai: apt-get is not sophisticated about complex situations such as installing a new package onto a system that hasn't been upgraded in a while |
| 16:51.48 | Nurulwai | Yeah, but this compute doesn't even have x on it. |
| 16:51.53 | abrotman | Nurulwai: when is the last time you did a full dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:51.54 | chops | Nurulwai: But aptitude should get it right. |
| 16:52.08 | Farhad | stew, available is 0! |
| 16:52.23 | stew | Farhad: the first paste shows 5080796 total space, and 4912708 used, which means 168088 free, the second shows 4894872 used for 185924 free |
| 16:52.25 | jetscreamer | maybe nautilus sucks |
| 16:52.40 | stew | Farhad: yes, becuase, as i said. 5% is reserved for root, by default |
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| 16:52.45 | simonrvn | hardly 0 |
| 16:52.49 | Nurulwai | abrotman: Why does it get itself tied up into a knot about completely unrelated packages just becuase there's not been an update in a while? |
| 16:53.02 | jetscreamer | because it's not a package manager |
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| 16:53.07 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 16:53.28 | chops | Farhad: "Available" shows what's available for non-root users. Root is able to use _all_ of the free space, but non-root users are not (so the amount available to them is not shown to avoid confusion). |
| 16:53.31 | simonrvn | ooh rabbit stew! |
| 16:53.37 | stew | dpkg: 185924 / 5080796 |
| 16:53.37 | dpkg | 0.03659347866 |
| 16:53.41 | jetscreamer | Farhad: i think they might be saying delete more but i'm not sure |
| 16:53.43 | TheEasterBunny | eek! |
| 16:53.44 | stew | Farhad: you have only 3% free ^^^ |
| 16:53.45 | Nurulwai | jetscreamer: that doesn't explain why it wants to install bloody iceweasel. |
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| 16:53.48 | Farhad | stew, chops I'm root! why can't copy any thing! |
| 16:53.49 | vircuser | hello |
| 16:53.58 | vircuser | does debian come with good wireless management? |
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| 16:54.00 | chops | Nurulwai: Because it's not sophisticated. It's a hard problem. aptitude will probably get it right, but it's better to stay up to date. |
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| 16:54.03 | TheEasterBunny | runs, leaving a trail of eggs |
| 16:54.22 | jetscreamer | whips out the .22 |
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| 16:54.31 | jetscreamer | kills teh bunny |
| 16:54.40 | TheEasterBunny | Aww. |
| 16:54.55 | jetscreamer | be vewwy vewwy qwiet |
| 16:55.00 | Nurulwai | Okay, running an update. Lessee what happens afterwards. |
| 16:55.01 | TheEasterBunny | haha |
| 16:55.03 | stew | Farhad: what happens when you run "touch /media/fedora/foo" |
| 16:55.17 | jetscreamer | fedora? |
| 16:55.41 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 16:55.44 | jetscreamer | goes away |
| 16:56.08 | simonrvn | probably dual-boots fedora/debian |
| 16:56.09 | Farhad | stew, maked foo, |
| 16:56.09 | Nurulwai | chops: Just did a dist-upgrade. It still wants to install iceweasel. |
| 16:56.16 | chops | Farhad: I haven't been reading all of your messages, but as root you should be able to write to the partitions that have less "Used" than "1k-blocks". It's a bad idea to run your filesystems that full, though; ext3 can't avoid fragmentation very well when it runs above 95% full (which is one reason the 5% space is reserved). |
| 16:56.18 | stew | Farhad: so you can created files as root. |
| 16:56.32 | chops | Nurulwai: What does? dist-upgrade? Do you currently have firefox installed or something? |
| 16:56.37 | stew | Farhad: what error do you get when copying a file? |
| 16:56.51 | Nurulwai | I ran a dist-upgrade, then did apt-get install imagemagick. |
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| 16:56.57 | chops | Nurulwai: You can answer the "Y/n" prompt with "_iceweasel" to request that it not install iceweasel. |
| 16:56.58 | Nurulwai | I don't even have a damn xserver on the computer |
| 16:57.15 | simonrvn | so? imagick doesn't dep on x |
| 16:57.19 | chops | Nurulwai: _That_ is not correct. Huh. Can you pastebin the output of 'aptitude install imagemagick' after the dist-upgrade? |
| 16:57.29 | chops | Nurulwai: Probably a package has a faulty Recommends: |
| 16:57.32 | Nurulwai | simonrvn: No shit, hence the problem. |
| 16:57.33 | Nurulwai | chops: Righto |
| 16:57.44 | Greek-Boy | I am trying to build the uw imap c-client from ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z but it doesn't build on my debian etch box. The first error I get is osdep.c:89:31: error: security/pam_appl.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:57.44 | vircuser | anyone here uses debian on his notebook? |
| 16:57.50 | chops | !anyone |
| 16:57.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:58.06 | stew | Greek-Boy: why would you compile that yourself? (or use that imap client at all) |
| 16:58.07 | Farhad | stew, by nautilus "there isn't enough space" by command line copy it copies |
| 16:58.10 | Nurulwai | chops: http://pastebin.com/m3df5fbc4 |
| 16:58.18 | stew | Farhad: you are running nautilus as root!?! |
| 16:58.27 | jetscreamer | !laptop |
| 16:58.28 | dpkg | i guess laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 16:58.32 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 16:58.43 | Farhad | stew, yes |
| 16:58.43 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 16:58.47 | jetscreamer | vircuser wants to install someting on a laptop |
| 16:58.57 | jetscreamer | he wants to know if wireless support is good |
| 16:59.01 | stew | Farhad: i wouldn't. how? you logged in to x as root? |
| 16:59.04 | jetscreamer | !tell vircuser -about smart questions |
| 16:59.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: are you high ? |
| 16:59.12 | jetscreamer | no |
| 16:59.15 | jetscreamer | just all knowing |
| 16:59.29 | TheEasterBunny | and rabbit hating |
| 16:59.31 | simonrvn | he's happy he's getting rabbit stew |
| 16:59.32 | Farhad | stew, i logged in to x as Farhad! |
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| 17:00.01 | jetscreamer | abrotman: he said all that in ##linux |
| 17:00.03 | vircuser | !notebook |
| 17:00.04 | stew | Farhad: are you sure that nautilus is running as root? can you copy the file from the command line? |
| 17:00.08 | Farhad | I'm using Xnest |
| 17:00.10 | vircuser | !laptop |
| 17:00.10 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 17:00.17 | abrotman | vircuser: msg the bot |
| 17:00.20 | simonrvn | eating rabbits doesn't imply hating them |
| 17:00.38 | jetscreamer | well you can't live on rabbit |
| 17:00.50 | Farhad | i can't copy by nautilus , but i can by cli stew |
| 17:01.00 | jetscreamer | so killing one either means you're really really hungry or just like killing rabbits.. or want a rabbit coat |
| 17:01.06 | simonrvn | that's very true. it's called rabbit fever. they lack certain nutrients |
| 17:01.15 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 17:01.27 | TheEasterBunny | too much protein, not enough fat |
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| 17:01.39 | jetscreamer | louis l'amour++ |
| 17:01.48 | TheEasterBunny | learned that from Survivorman |
| 17:01.50 | hoxu | TheEasterBunny, do you have any eggs with the debian logo? |
| 17:01.56 | simonrvn | yeh, some fatty acid we need, that we get via food, rabbits don't have it, also |
| 17:01.57 | stew | < stew> Farhad: are you sure that nautilus is running as root? |
| 17:02.01 | jetscreamer | i got it from tell sackett |
| 17:02.20 | Farhad | stew, Yes, I'm sure completely |
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| 17:02.24 | jetscreamer | ooo debian logo'd easter eggs |
| 17:02.33 | jetscreamer | brings teh_bunny back to life |
| 17:02.40 | {501st}Reflex | !notebook |
| 17:02.46 | {501st}Reflex | !laptop |
| 17:02.47 | dpkg | laptop is, like, All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 17:02.50 | abrotman | !tell {501st}Reflex about msg the bot |
| 17:02.53 | simonrvn | it's vircuser again |
| 17:03.00 | abrotman | yes .. i can see that |
| 17:03.05 | jetscreamer | !not very sneaky --> {501st}Reflex (n=vircuser |
| 17:03.07 | stew | Farhad: maybe it's a nautilus bug then |
| 17:03.10 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 17:03.10 | jetscreamer | damn too slow |
| 17:03.24 | {501st}Reflex | give me a break, I cant learn 1000 things in in second |
| 17:03.30 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 17:03.31 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 17:03.32 | TheEasterBunny | hands out eggs with the Debian logo now that e is alive again |
| 17:03.34 | abrotman | so why are you in here twice asking the same question |
| 17:03.34 | jetscreamer | learn that |
| 17:03.43 | stew | TheEasterBunny: do you have a debian related question?" |
| 17:03.45 | jetscreamer | learn /msg dpkg help |
| 17:03.48 | Farhad | stew, i'm using 2.14.3 |
| 17:03.50 | simonrvn | no one asked you to either |
| 17:04.08 | enouf | Farhad: do ctrl+r to refresh the screen |
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| 17:04.10 | Greek-Boy | stew: Asterisk needs it to store voicemail in a imap server... |
| 17:04.31 | stew | Greek-Boy: why would you compile an imap server instead of just installing one with apt? |
| 17:04.52 | abrotman | isn't uw-imapd still all goofy? |
| 17:04.59 | Farhad | enouf, I tried this for thousands! |
| 17:05.08 | jetscreamer | wonders if that's a statement of nationality or sexual preference |
| 17:05.14 | Greek-Boy | stew: asterisk only works with that imap client, its not a client serer. |
| 17:05.18 | enouf | i have to do that all the time with my non-primary HDDs |
| 17:05.20 | jetscreamer | or both even |
| 17:05.42 | enouf | Farhad: restarted the gnome session? mounting with weirdo options |
| 17:06.10 | Farhad | enouf, I have this problem for 1 month! |
| 17:06.12 | stew | Greek-Boy: you cannot use the uw-imapd that debian provides? you have to compile some specific version? |
| 17:06.34 | Farhad | enouf, what is weirdo options? |
| 17:06.39 | Greek-Boy | stew: yes because asterisk requires access to the source directory... |
| 17:06.44 | jetscreamer | Farhad: buy some bigger hd's |
| 17:06.45 | enouf | Farhad: no idea then, perhaps buggy/bad perms somewhere, or just a flat out bug |
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| 17:07.06 | abrotman | three times? |
| 17:07.10 | enouf | Farhad: what aren't weirdo mount options? |
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| 17:07.40 | jetscreamer | closes irc due to lack of intestinal fortitude |
| 17:07.41 | Farhad | enouf, what is weirdo? |
| 17:07.49 | stew | enouf: it works fine from command line, so its not permissions or mount options |
| 17:07.53 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:08.00 | chops | Nurulwai: Yes, these dependencies are faulty |
| 17:08.32 | stew | Greek-Boy: /msg dpkg source |
| 17:08.39 | enouf | stew: erm, GUIs have all their own ideas about mounting and permissions attached to that, that has been my experience |
| 17:09.08 | chops | Imagemagick depends on libdjvulibre15, which depends on xdg-utils, which recommends every damn thing under the sun |
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| 17:09.31 | chops | Nurulwai: I'll try to figure out which depedency is most egregiously wrong and file a bug appropriately |
| 17:09.32 | enouf | Farhad: it's rhetorical for "you tell me what your mount options are -- rather than i read you the entire man mount page" |
| 17:09.44 | stew | enouf: what is a permission that might be on a directory that would cause nautilus to report that there isn't enough free space? |
| 17:09.48 | abrotman | chops: not in testing ? |
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| 17:10.09 | stew | enouf: or what is such a mount option? i can't imagine there is any |
| 17:10.23 | chops | Nurulwai: In the meantime you can just override aptitude to not install iceweasel (which it'll be fine with, since it's only a Recommends) |
| 17:10.27 | enouf | stew: pok around in those right-clicks, have fun ;-) |
| 17:10.30 | chops | abrotman: I'm checking sid, not sure about testing |
| 17:10.35 | stew | enouf: what? |
| 17:10.41 | abrotman | i thought he was running testing |
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| 17:10.44 | Nurulwai | chops: Thanks for spending the time doing that. |
| 17:10.56 | Farhad | thanks, stew, enouf , chops |
| 17:10.58 | Farhad | bye |
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| 17:11.32 | abrotman | chops: and it's the same imagemagick in lenny and in sid |
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| 17:11.39 | stew | my money is on nautilus not actually running as root |
| 17:11.55 | stew | running nautilus as root is insane in any case |
| 17:12.22 | simonrvn | for sure |
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| 17:12.50 | Shadow_mil | When I boot, the boot is getting hung when the laptop tries to DHCP query by Ethernet connection. But its not in a run time. |
| 17:13.10 | Shadow_mil | Where are the commands that are executed before init runlevels? |
| 17:13.14 | enouf | if he didn't launch it as say gksudo or whatever, who knows what he meant about " <Farhad> stew, Yes, I'm sure completely |
| 17:13.14 | enouf | [12:59:46] <jetscreamer> ooo debian logo'd easter e" |
| 17:13.30 | enouf | omg, darned paster crap |
| 17:13.43 | jetscreamer | so when you have a new blank unpartitioned hd, or you dd zero's to a drive, what is this signature that fdisk wants to write? (windows wants to do the same thing also) |
| 17:13.43 | env | shadow_mil: can you see it trying to request an address? |
| 17:13.53 | Shadow_mil | env, yes |
| 17:14.00 | env | hold Ctrl and press c |
| 17:14.03 | env | that'll end it |
| 17:14.07 | Shadow_mil | env, I know |
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| 17:14.15 | Shadow_mil | env, but I want to setup a boot splash |
| 17:14.19 | env | ah |
| 17:14.21 | env | in that case |
| 17:14.27 | abrotman | Shadow_mil: edit /etc/network/interfaces to auto start that interface |
| 17:14.28 | Shadow_mil | env, and I don't want a interactive boot |
| 17:14.29 | chops | Nurulwai: np |
| 17:14.36 | env | go to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:14.38 | chops | Nurulwai: Thanks for bringing it to our attention :-) |
| 17:14.40 | Shadow_mil | ok |
| 17:14.43 | env | look for your device |
| 17:14.49 | env | say, its eth0 |
| 17:14.55 | env | it should have something like |
| 17:15.03 | env | auto eth0 |
| 17:15.13 | env | take out 'auto' |
| 17:15.23 | env | and it wont search for an address at boot |
| 17:15.36 | enouf | chops: disabling auto-installing Recommends: isn't another option? |
| 17:15.37 | jetscreamer | comment the line out |
| 17:15.52 | env | you'll need the eth0 bit |
| 17:15.56 | env | so only remove auto |
| 17:16.08 | env | you'll need some other utility to bring the device up after boot is complete |
| 17:16.16 | env | kwifimanager or something if you use kde |
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| 17:16.27 | abrotman | chops: i still don't see how the package is broken |
| 17:16.50 | Shadow_mil | allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 17:16.50 | Shadow_mil | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 17:16.50 | Shadow_mil | auto eth1 |
| 17:16.55 | abrotman | chops: the pdo page doesn't have that dependency |
| 17:17.01 | abrotman | or even that recommends |
| 17:17.03 | Shadow_mil | thats the lines for eth1 |
| 17:17.07 | jetscreamer | it's the allow-hotplug btw |
| 17:17.10 | enouf | IIRC, you could use allow-hotplug there? |
| 17:17.19 | jetscreamer | there should be no auto |
| 17:17.24 | Shadow_mil | enouf, its setup it self to. |
| 17:17.38 | jetscreamer | there should not be an auto and an allow-hotplug afaik |
| 17:17.39 | enouf | whatever |
| 17:17.52 | env | get rid of auto eth1 |
| 17:17.55 | jetscreamer | allow-hotplug is the new replacement |
| 17:18.05 | jetscreamer | (and it sucks ass imo but ymmv) |
| 17:18.25 | enouf | misses saying "sucks ass" |
| 17:18.47 | Greek-Boy | stew: will apt-get also keep the source up to date? |
| 17:18.52 | Shadow_mil | ok lets try it, brb |
| 17:18.54 | env | jetscreamer was right about commenting it out |
| 17:19.00 | stew | Greek-Boy: no |
| 17:19.09 | env | i've not dabbled with the interfaces file in a while :p |
| 17:19.44 | jetscreamer | so once again 'nobody knows' the answer to one of my questions... :/ |
| 17:19.51 | jetscreamer | why me! |
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| 17:21.08 | ravn | hey guys, where does one get different java-libs ?? (In my case, I need something called libgtkpeer) |
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| 17:23.14 | Shadow_mil | it worked!!! :D |
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| 17:23.32 | Shadow_mil | env, ty |
| 17:23.38 | Tenkawa | anyone remember the kernel flag at boot to disable framebuffer console off hand and make it a standard vid console? |
| 17:23.40 | env | great :) |
| 17:24.58 | Shadow_mil | does debian kernel need the 'splash' param to do a boot slash? |
| 17:25.12 | stew | Tenkawa: vga=normal, vga=ask, vga=1, vga=6, etc... |
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| 17:25.28 | env | last i heard, you needed to patch it to get a decent boot splash |
| 17:25.37 | Tenkawa | stew: thank |
| 17:25.38 | Tenkawa | s |
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| 17:25.41 | stew | !splashy |
| 17:25.42 | dpkg | splashy is, like, a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 17:25.49 | Tenkawa | couldnt remember it off the top of my head |
| 17:25.52 | stew | splashy wouldn't require a patch |
| 17:25.55 | Shadow_mil | brb |
| 17:26.04 | env | thats nice to hear |
| 17:26.06 | env | i might try it out |
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| 17:31.29 | cloner | my web browsing isn't working |
| 17:31.38 | stew | cloner: be more specific |
| 17:31.39 | jetscreamer | if 320/7=45.714286, and it took 1087.12 seconds to dd a 7gig drive, it will take 13.804698 hours to dd a 320gig, +/-? ((45.714286•1087.12)/60)/60 |
| 17:32.07 | cloner | stew, it is very wierd, it is very slow, I can't check email |
| 17:32.20 | stew | cloner: why can't you check email? |
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| 17:32.59 | cloner | stew, I goto gmail, login, and then it is black page, same with hotmail, and yahoo says connection resent\ |
| 17:33.09 | jetscreamer | i suck at math |
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| 17:34.36 | cloner | stew, and it is running very slow, and yet, pings are fine, and irc is fine |
| 17:34.48 | Tenkawa | darnit.. cant get this kvm line right to be able to use the -curses flag |
| 17:35.04 | enouf | i'm good at math, and those kinds of trivial problems make me brak out in hives |
| 17:35.48 | cloner | whats the math problem? |
| 17:35.57 | jetscreamer | i was hoping i was supposed to divide it again by 60 |
| 17:36.02 | jetscreamer | if 320/7=45.714286, and it took 1087.12 seconds to dd a 7gig drive, it will take 13.804698 hours to dd a 320gig, +/-? ((45.714286•1087.12)/60)/60 |
| 17:36.10 | cloner | I am good at math, but I can't use it, cause there is conspiracy in my town |
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| 17:36.20 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:36.26 | jetscreamer | i must live in the same state |
| 17:36.28 | jetscreamer | of mind |
| 17:36.33 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: 18 minutes for 7 gigs is kinda slow |
| 17:36.33 | cloner | actually, the conspiracy is international |
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| 17:36.42 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. your area has a conspiracy against logic |
| 17:36.45 | hoxu | cloner, looks like your isp uses cogentco... that could be part of the problem, cogentco has depeered with telia, they are actively blocking all telia traffic |
| 17:36.47 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: yeah it's udma5 or someting |
| 17:36.50 | jetscreamer | 100 |
| 17:37.05 | enouf | great .. just found an RFID tag stuck to the inside of my fresh ground coffee .. what a dump |
| 17:37.20 | cloner | hoxu, huh, do you have link for reading, cause I don't understand telia, depeered, .. |
| 17:37.29 | cloner | hoxu, this is first time I had this problem in years |
| 17:37.39 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: even udma2 (33MB/s) is faster than that |
| 17:38.03 | cloner | man...when you go to store and buy food behind counter they have two kind, one for them and one for us. I will never join to be "one of us" |
| 17:38.06 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: 7683637248 bytes (7.7 GB) copied, 1087.12 s, 7.1 MB/s |
| 17:38.39 | jetscreamer | dd |
| 17:38.55 | hoxu | cloner, http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/ |
| 17:38.57 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: right. 7GB / 1000s = 7MB/s, who'd have figured it out? |
| 17:39.10 | chops | abrotman: I was checked 'apt-cache show' on my sid system, lemme check pdo |
| 17:39.25 | hoxu | cloner, anyway, tcpdump to see where the problem is, maybe traceroute etc.. |
| 17:39.41 | abrotman | chops: it doesn't mention that package .. maybe you have imagemagick from marillat ? |
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| 17:39.59 | chops | abrotman: Yeah, I see xdg-utils on http://packages.debian.org/sid/libdjvulibre15 |
| 17:39.59 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: that speed sounds like dma isn't switched on |
| 17:40.04 | cloner | hoxu, think is it pings fine, but it just doesn't load in mozilla |
| 17:40.10 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: i'm trying to estimate how long this 320 will take |
| 17:40.13 | abrotman | chops: i meant the imagemagick depends |
| 17:40.21 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: and afaik dma is on |
| 17:40.29 | jetscreamer | checks just because it's jelly |
| 17:40.36 | cloner | it started yesterday, my yahoo account was fine, but I couldn't play chess |
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| 17:40.49 | abrotman | chops: imagemagick doesn't depend on libdjvulibre15 |
| 17:41.18 | chops | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libmagick10 |
| 17:41.18 | cloner | looks like communications are being blocked, soon they will shoot me, maybe |
| 17:41.21 | cloner | I will visit them in hell |
| 17:41.43 | abrotman | chops: your tree branches don't match! |
| 17:42.02 | jetscreamer | hdparm -d /dev/sdc right? |
| 17:42.10 | enouf | -i or -I |
| 17:42.10 | jetscreamer | or do i have to be root |
| 17:42.14 | enouf | yes |
| 17:42.15 | abrotman | chops: and wtf is 'debports' ? |
| 17:42.23 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: well, you're either doing something wrong, or have a configuration issue, because a mdern drive ought to give sustainde speeds around 50MB/s or better |
| 17:42.24 | enouf | or /usr/sbin/ ? |
| 17:42.48 | cloner | so gmail and yahoo are in sweden? |
| 17:42.49 | chops | abrotman: Besides, "library to support image format X" (which is a perfectly sensible thing to install on a server regardless of imagemagick) should not depends on "all desktop support software that any reasonable person could want" (which is about what xdg-utils receommends, it looks like) |
| 17:43.03 | env | so i had another bash at this splashy thing |
| 17:43.11 | jetscreamer | *udma5 |
| 17:43.19 | env | it's updating the wrong initramfs (an older kernel version) |
| 17:43.22 | abrotman | chops: not at all .. it's pretty dumb actually |
| 17:43.23 | chops | abrotman: I have no idea what "debports" is. What do you mean about tree branches? |
| 17:43.44 | cloner | man...the government is very evil |
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| 17:43.52 | abrotman | chops: your original statement to him was that imagemagick depended on libdjvu |
| 17:44.02 | jetscreamer | backpoert probably |
| 17:44.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: uh no |
| 17:44.18 | Tenkawa | wow... ugly but I figured out how to do it finally |
| 17:44.31 | cloner | they have been torturing me all my life, they try to make everyone evil, so they wont be alone in hell |
| 17:44.37 | jetscreamer | oh yet another not overwriting libdjvublah borkage in sid? |
| 17:44.41 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libdjvulibre15 .. see .. debports |
| 17:44.50 | abrotman | cloner: are you done? |
| 17:45.09 | cloner | abrotman, I can go on... |
| 17:45.15 | abrotman | please don't |
| 17:45.17 | jetscreamer | i removed 15 after i forced 21 or whatever it was.. somebody should see what removing 15 first does |
| 17:45.41 | chops | jetscreamer: Regardless of whether it's solvable by removing something, the dependency is a bug |
| 17:45.51 | jetscreamer | no aregument here |
| 17:45.55 | chops | abrotman: I meant "depends" in the transitive sense :-) |
| 17:45.56 | jetscreamer | is eating |
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| 17:46.04 | abrotman | chops: sure ... |
| 17:46.12 | cloner | hoxu, did you notice anything from the spat with sweden internet? |
| 17:46.25 | chops | jetscreamer: xdg-utils uses Recommends:, so it's actually solvable easily for end users as it is |
| 17:46.25 | cloner | hoxu, even myspace isn't working for me |
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| 17:46.33 | chops | jetscreamer: But the situation is still silly :-) |
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| 17:46.50 | jetscreamer | chops: it's sid. they should be able to deal |
| 17:46.57 | abrotman | the guy was using testing |
| 17:47.00 | cloner | brb |
| 17:47.00 | jetscreamer | o |
| 17:47.05 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 17:47.08 | abrotman | and there isn't really a good reason for imagemagick to install a browser |
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| 17:47.16 | jetscreamer | no |
| 17:47.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: does your wife know you ride the short bus? |
| 17:47.36 | jetscreamer | unless it was really something else |
| 17:47.39 | enouf | especially not a really big and .. oh nm :-P |
| 17:48.10 | DirkGently | hi.. I'm trying to setup my Broadcom wireless card.. has bcm43xx-fwcutter been removed from the repos? Is there a better way to set it up? |
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| 17:49.23 | chops | jetscreamer, abrotman, Nurulwai: k, I've filed a bug against libdjvulibre15 |
| 17:49.31 | jetscreamer | abrotman: if you say so |
| 17:49.37 | stew | !info bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 17:49.39 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:006-4 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 17:49.44 | hoxu | cloner, nope, not using telia |
| 17:49.52 | stew | DirkGently: its in contrib, /msg dpkg contrib |
| 17:49.55 | abrotman | chops: i'm sure it will be closed quickly |
| 17:50.01 | Shadow_mil | With make-kpkg, when ever I use --append_to_version foo. It will add a build option forever right? Like it I --append_to_version --splash. Then I later what to add a different option, it will remember --splash, right? |
| 17:50.07 | chops | abrotman: I don't even like that imagemagick installs X client libs :-) |
| 17:50.17 | chops | abrotman: Though I know that there's "display" and all |
| 17:50.17 | abrotman | well .. i think it kind of has to |
| 17:50.19 | hoxu | cloner, the people who are screwed are cogentco & telia customers... |
| 17:50.21 | chops | abrotman: It does |
| 17:50.27 | DirkGently | stew: thanks... the howto said non-free |
| 17:50.40 | chops | abrotman: But I still don't have to like it, since I generally use imagemagick on servers and don't use 'display' on desktops |
| 17:50.42 | stew | DirkGently: which howto? |
| 17:50.57 | erik_ | I still cannot het my new LG SATA DVD burner (type GH20) to burn. It reads OK, but no burning. I took out the old damaged IDE burner out and inserted this new one .Here is some test output and other info: http://pastebin.com/d3e164a2a. Any suggestions ? |
| 17:51.03 | chops | Cheers all, gtg |
| 17:51.12 | jetscreamer | no |
| 17:51.16 | cloner | hoxu, I use cogeco, not cogentco |
| 17:51.25 | jetscreamer | that's not what --append=to=version is for |
| 17:51.29 | jetscreamer | err - |
| 17:51.37 | Shadow_mil | nvm, jetscreamer I see that now |
| 17:51.46 | jetscreamer | you want menu.lst for that |
| 17:51.51 | Shadow_mil | jetscreamer, its just for the package's name |
| 17:51.55 | jetscreamer | to add splash |
| 17:51.57 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 17:52.07 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 17:52.20 | jetscreamer | or was it kernel-img.conf i always confuse them |
| 17:52.24 | DirkGently | stew: http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx |
| 17:52.26 | hoxu | cloner, checked what your traceroute says? |
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| 17:53.01 | cloner | hoxu, oh, that why you suggest that |
| 17:53.06 | Shadow_mil | jetscreamer, Im not use to how Debian does kernel builds. Its a lot different then gentoo |
| 17:53.27 | hoxu | cloner, cgocable is sitting behind cogentco if I'm correct |
| 17:53.58 | jetscreamer | Shadow_mil: you can do it the other way also... not emerge, but the make et al |
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| 17:54.07 | reflex | for what reason would debian be better then fedora, for a notebook? |
| 17:54.13 | jetscreamer | it's just simpler |
| 17:54.20 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 17:54.20 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 17:54.23 | stew | DirkGently: thanks, i've made the correction on that page |
| 17:54.26 | Shadow_mil | jetscreamer, its been a long time since I did it the other also lol |
| 17:54.26 | reflex | less batery usage? |
| 17:54.29 | cloner | hoxu, maybe lots people are on net in my neighbourhood |
| 17:54.32 | jetscreamer | it's him again isn't it |
| 17:54.35 | reflex | battery* |
| 17:54.39 | jetscreamer | that other guy |
| 17:55.06 | bolt | how can I get an output in the format "cal" prints, only with the week number up front? I don't like the ncal layout |
| 17:55.16 | jetscreamer | he changed his n= i think |
| 17:55.36 | abrotman | no .. he didn't |
| 17:55.40 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 17:56.09 | enouf | erik_: so, nerolinux, k3b, gnomebaker all fail? |
| 17:56.26 | enouf | erik_: tried other blank media? |
| 17:56.28 | cloner | hoxu, I will just check it out later, maybe it fix itself, thanks for you hel |
| 17:56.29 | reflex | this why debian intro is really interesting, but doesn't mention any laptop specific pro's |
| 17:56.41 | abrotman | reflex: it's just like any other machine |
| 17:56.56 | jetscreamer | erik_: did you try running k3bsetup |
| 17:56.56 | robin_sz | sigh, I always forget where this is .. where do you change the defautl editor from pico to vim in debian? |
| 17:56.58 | mypapit | de=g(`(%t,cw=Z]QL<2 |
| 17:57.06 | enouf | erik_: your /etc/fstab seems fine to me |
| 17:57.06 | jetscreamer | !update-alternatives |
| 17:57.06 | dpkg | update-alternatives is, like, a program to run from the command line?, or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system |
| 17:57.17 | jetscreamer | !alternatives |
| 17:57.17 | dpkg | i heard alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 17:57.23 | erik_ | enouf: tried nero and gnomebaker. no go. other media: no go |
| 17:57.29 | robin_sz | thank ye |
| 17:57.48 | enouf | erik_: blank media of another brand/type? |
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| 17:57.51 | reflex | So, would debian use up less power then fedora? |
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| 17:57.58 | abrotman | maybe |
| 17:58.02 | Shadow_mil | jetscreamer, though I think I'm building a i386 kernel lol |
| 17:58.03 | abrotman | maybe not |
| 17:58.09 | reflex | o_0 |
| 17:58.11 | hoxu | cloner, just examine tcpdump to see what's taking so much time |
| 17:58.17 | abrotman | RO#__FE |
| 17:58.20 | erik_ | enouf: yep: no go |
| 17:58.38 | dijz | Hi, I get "Bus 002 Device 002: ID 13fe:1d00 Kingston Technology Company Inc. DataTraveler 2.0 1GB Flash Drive" by $lsusb, in /etc/fstab I have " /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 vfat rw,user,users,noauto,noatime,noauto 1 2" but when I run "mount /media/usb0" I get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error n some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so, do you can help |
| 17:58.38 | dijz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.42 | cloner | hoxu, ok, I never used it befor |
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| 17:59.08 | DirkGently | stew: thanks.. the package looks broken in etch - dl location is 404. Replaced it with http://svit.epfl.ch/stuff/wl_apsta.o - works okay |
| 17:59.12 | abrotman | dijz: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 17:59.14 | enouf | erik_: ok, i want you to check your bios for ahci (ide/sata config area), if found, enable it |
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| 17:59.39 | erik_ | enouf: ok... |
| 17:59.40 | dijz | abrotman: I change it for ext2? |
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| 17:59.56 | abrotman | dijz: does it say that it is ext2 ? that's what the fdisk is for |
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| 18:01.01 | dijz | abrotman: /dev/sda1 1 1016 976345 83 Linux |
| 18:01.17 | enouf | file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 18:01.24 | cloner | man...I wish I dropped out of highschool, and sold weed, instead of doing Aerospace engineering at University |
| 18:01.52 | jetscreamer | no money in weed |
| 18:02.17 | cloner | jetscreamer, well, by now, I would be a manager somewhere |
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| 18:03.12 | cusco | can scp resume a interrupted transfer? |
| 18:03.23 | dijz | enouf: abrotman : I change "vfat" to "ext2" in /etc/fstab/ now I run mount /media/usb0 and i get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext2'" |
| 18:03.24 | enouf | dijz: why vfat in fstab when the partitionID doesn't match? and see my last comment |
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| 18:03.59 | abrotman | cloner: please keep it on topic |
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| 18:04.17 | jetscreamer | a weed manager? :) |
| 18:04.24 | cloner | abrotman, my bad, what a good channel for me? |
| 18:04.29 | Gigantic | !weed |
| 18:04.30 | dpkg | takes his pack of rizzla and bag of skunk and rolls a fat joint *ahhhhhhhhhh*, or http://www.weed.com |
| 18:04.32 | abrotman | cloner: not this one ... |
| 18:04.39 | abrotman | dpkg: forget weed |
| 18:04.39 | dpkg | i forgot weed, abrotman |
| 18:04.41 | hoxu | cloner, #debian-offtopic, and drag jetscreamer along with you ;) |
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| 18:04.42 | stew | cloner: #defocus |
| 18:04.46 | Gigantic | awww |
| 18:04.54 | Gigantic | !never forget |
| 18:05.00 | jetscreamer | it's rizla, anyway |
| 18:05.14 | cusco | rizzla |
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| 18:05.33 | dijz | enouf: I change "ext3" to "ext2" in /etc/fstab/ now I run mount /media/usb0 and i get " wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, ..." |
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| 18:05.38 | jetscreamer | http://www.rizla.com/ |
| 18:05.42 | cusco | soundz better |
| 18:05.45 | cusco | :P |
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| 18:05.58 | enouf | dijz: what's file -s /dev/sda1 say? |
| 18:05.59 | dijz | enouf: I change "ext2" to "ext3" in ... |
| 18:06.02 | cusco | is it possible to resume transfers interrupted - that were beeing made with scp? |
| 18:06.12 | stew | cusco: no |
| 18:06.17 | dijz | enouf: /dev/sda1: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data (large files) |
| 18:06.23 | cusco | ok |
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| 18:07.00 | enouf | dijz: hrm, try the recommended superblock sizes that the errors tell you - and/or run a fsck on it |
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| 18:07.42 | facedown | Is there a book or guide that's not a MANUAL for a complete noob to linux and debian. |
| 18:07.52 | facedown | I repeat, NOT A MANUAL! |
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| 18:08.03 | cloner | facedown, c'mon, have you been to chapter? |
| 18:08.08 | cloner | *Chapters |
| 18:08.12 | stew | facedown: /msg dpkg reference |
| 18:08.19 | stew | facedown: or /msg dpkg grounding |
| 18:08.41 | cloner | facedown, where did you already look? |
| 18:08.54 | facedown | installed debian |
| 18:09.01 | enouf | facedown: there are quite a few .. see http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ and linuxcommand.org and tldp.org to start |
| 18:09.01 | facedown | nowhere really |
| 18:09.15 | hoxu | facedown, something like unix for dummies for starters :P |
| 18:09.35 | cloner | facedown, if you pm me I can give you an intro and try my best to answer your answers |
| 18:09.37 | facedown | i usually avoid 'for dummies' books - usualy have shitty authors based on other topics |
| 18:09.39 | enouf | facedown: another one http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/UAU/uau.html |
| 18:09.54 | facedown | ah, will bookmark those |
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| 18:10.03 | dijz | enouf: now I get: /dev/sda1: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x5, starthead 1, startsector 62, 1950768 sectors |
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| 18:10.44 | dijz | enouf: at /etc/fstab I put "vfat", "ext2"? which? |
| 18:10.56 | dijz | I will put... |
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| 18:11.09 | enouf | dijz: ouch, 0x05 == Extended O_o |
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| 18:11.43 | stew | dijz: have you tried "auto" instead of "ext2" or "vfat"? |
| 18:11.47 | enouf | dijz: when is "now i get .." ? after you did what? |
| 18:12.26 | facedown | cloner: pm'd |
| 18:12.30 | facedown | i think im identified.. hm |
| 18:12.44 | cloner | facedown, yeah I wrote some stuff |
| 18:12.54 | enouf | thinks he might even have a fat16 partition meant for booting and using syslinux, whatever ... dijz what the heck is on there? how did it get there? |
| 18:12.59 | facedown | cloner: maybe you didnt identify? |
| 18:13.18 | cloner | facedown, oh it is blocked due to spam, cause I am not registered |
| 18:13.29 | cloner | facedown, let me register and try again |
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| 18:13.55 | dijz | enouf: i have installed sysfs* yes |
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| 18:14.49 | dijz | enouf: I try "auto", it did not works |
| 18:14.53 | cloner | how do you register? |
| 18:15.06 | facedown | you do /msg nickserv register password |
| 18:15.11 | facedown | and then /msg nickserv identify password |
| 18:15.12 | cloner | thx |
| 18:15.14 | enouf | dijz: you'd have to explain a lot better ... perhaps a debian related channel in your native language might be better? |
| 18:15.19 | facedown | i dont think you need an email for freenode |
| 18:15.22 | facedown | so that should be enough |
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| 18:15.30 | enouf | dijz: sysfs is not syslinux |
| 18:15.39 | dijz | enouf: about " ouch, 0x05 == Extended O_o" how finally is the line at /etc/fstab? |
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| 18:15.56 | enouf | dijz: you need to answer some of mine first ;-) |
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| 18:16.40 | enouf | (a little more in detail, you are answering) |
| 18:16.43 | abrotman | facedown: you'll do much better with the resources that stew pointed you at |
| 18:17.00 | facedown | ill eventually get to them |
| 18:17.24 | abrotman | facedown: i'd start with those first .. or ask questions to ##linux or here |
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| 18:18.01 | arooni | where is apache /usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin/ |
| 18:18.06 | dijz | enouf: ok, I try it, debian-br, maybe one do not will start, thanks :) |
| 18:18.10 | arooni | on a debian distro? |
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| 18:18.23 | abrotman | arooni: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ .. maybe? |
| 18:18.42 | abrotman | arooni: updatedb && locate cgi-bin |
| 18:18.48 | win- | I'm trying to install postgresql-8.3 on Etch, but I get No such file or directory |
| 18:19.02 | abrotman | install how? |
| 18:19.12 | win- | with apt-get from backports |
| 18:19.45 | enouf | i think etch+half has it? |
| 18:19.57 | enouf | (or is it just the docs?) |
| 18:19.58 | facedown | mine came with 7.3 or something |
| 18:20.03 | facedown | by default, postgresql |
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| 18:20.39 | stew | win-: what command did you run that gave you that error? |
| 18:20.45 | Hotwired | Hi --filter=exclude_/home/ed/deb/ that as an option in rsync should exclude everything in /home/ed/deb. correct? |
| 18:21.45 | win- | stew: apt-get -t etch-backports install postgresql-8.3 |
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| 18:22.35 | abrotman | win-: and what's hte full error ? |
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| 18:24.50 | abrotman | win-: ? |
| 18:24.53 | win- | abrotman: never mind, seems I just needed 'apt-get -t etch-backports update' |
| 18:25.05 | abrotman | apt-get update .. then apt-get install .. yes |
| 18:25.21 | win- | I forgot the -t for the updat |
| 18:25.38 | stew | win-: you don't need a -t for update |
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| 18:32.36 | wfq | hi guys |
| 18:33.03 | wfq | at last I could get the 1280x800 dimension working |
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| 18:34.55 | mbroeker | wfq, i use 1152x864 |
| 18:35.30 | wfq | mbroeker, I have tried with the new driver that debian lenny brings for intel G965 but it does not work |
| 18:35.35 | zinx | mbroeker: these days, what people use should depend on which monitor they have :/ |
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| 18:36.58 | mbroeker | zinx, and the personal preferences. |
| 18:37.13 | zinx | mbroeker: no, for LCD is should depend soley on the monitor :P |
| 18:37.17 | zinx | erh, s/is/it/ |
| 18:37.55 | zinx | and modern CRTs are all shadow mask junk, worth less than the box they come in |
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| 18:39.31 | enouf | wfq: so what works? the correct resolution? (which is?) and correct xorg module? (which is?, or using vesa?) |
| 18:40.16 | maligor | edid tells you |
| 18:40.37 | arooni | how do i ensure the cgi-bin module is installed? |
| 18:40.43 | arooni | anyone know what its called? |
| 18:41.04 | wfq | enouf, I am using 1280x800 with a dpi=75 for a screen 13.3" and video card G965. The driver I have finally used is VESA on debian lenny |
| 18:41.12 | arooni | i cgilib - Simple CGI Library ... but do i need something else? |
| 18:41.22 | wfq | I haven't been able to get the xorg-intel driver working properly |
| 18:41.29 | jelly-home | wfq: dpi 75 is a lie! |
| 18:41.43 | maligor | I don't think vesa supports resolutions larger than 1280x1024 |
| 18:41.50 | mbroeker | arooni, the cgi-bin dir is normally in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and configured in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default |
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| 18:42.06 | enouf | wfq: thanks for your response |
| 18:42.11 | wfq | jelly-home, what do you mean |
| 18:42.28 | arooni | mbroeker, i do have a cgi-bin dir there..... but i'm not sure about the second part of what you said.... |
| 18:42.28 | mbroeker | arooni, or better 000-default |
| 18:42.33 | enouf | maligor: 1600x1200, iinm |
| 18:42.34 | wfq | enouf, not thank you for you patience |
| 18:42.41 | arooni | mbroeker, ok so you're saying its configured on a site/site basis? |
| 18:43.03 | jelly-home | wfq: I mean your physical dpi is more like 110 |
| 18:43.18 | mbroeker | arooni, yes there is ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ bla bla defined, arooni |
| 18:43.28 | enouf | man a2enmod? |
| 18:43.50 | wfq | well, I am scared to break everything but I will try with 96 and if that's going well I will stop but thank you very much for your suggestion |
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| 18:44.11 | arooni | mbroeker, ok but as far as the package is concerned, since i isntalled apache2 from a debian package the cgi-bin 'package' is all setup? |
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| 18:44.21 | nebnav | does anyone have experience with debian/kFreeBSD |
| 18:44.34 | abrotman | nebnav: i think there's a channel for that |
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| 18:45.08 | mbroeker | i think it is: enable cgi with a2enmod as enouf said and you are fine! |
| 18:45.16 | mbroeker | arooni, ^^ |
| 18:45.30 | arooni | ah i didnt see enouf talking |
| 18:45.38 | arooni | i tend to filter those comments not adressed to me |
| 18:45.43 | enouf | (not sure, so i peep about :-P) |
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| 18:46.29 | mbroeker | arooni, do you need a small cgi test-script? |
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| 18:46.55 | dijz | enouf: I have tried at #debian-br, every body sleep, I have tried at #esperanto where some one don't know how help, or dont want to help |
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| 18:47.13 | arooni | mbroeker, sure! not sure what it would do... i'm trying to install phpmotion and before i do; ensure that the requirements: http://wiki.phpmotion.com/doku.php?id=system_requirements |
| 18:47.17 | arooni | are all setup properly |
| 18:47.24 | arooni | one of the requirements is CGI-BIN |
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| 18:47.40 | enouf | dijz: ok , there's also a #debian-br on irc.debian.org server |
| 18:47.59 | mbroeker | arooni, http://rafb.net/p/jwgucr42.html copy that to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/env.cgi && chmod 755 /usr/lib/cgi-bin/env.cgi |
| 18:48.12 | dijz | enouf: I now, I dont have hope, but I wil try it :) |
| 18:48.18 | enouf | dijz: did you try to install debian on your USB stick? |
| 18:48.48 | mbroeker | arooni, point your browser to http://localhost/cgi-bin/env.cgi and see what happens |
| 18:48.53 | dijz | enouf: no, I only want use it how floopy |
| 18:48.56 | arooni | mbroeker, this is on a server |
| 18:49.03 | arooni | so what do i put for localhost |
| 18:49.08 | dijz | enouf: I want store file at it |
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| 18:49.28 | dijz | enouf: I can not mount it |
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| 18:49.41 | enouf | dijz: hrm, do you have data on there you want to keep or save? |
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| 18:50.17 | mbroeker | arooni, your domain-name ? |
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| 18:50.34 | Younix | how the heck do i read pdf files? |
| 18:50.40 | dijz | enouf: the pen drive is empyt, I want kepp/save file on it |
| 18:50.42 | Younix | what can i use |
| 18:50.44 | arooni | mbroeker, http://www.interviewhacks.com ... but i dont have the apache config set up yet :( |
| 18:50.52 | enouf | dijz: do you need it to be bootable? |
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| 18:51.02 | arooni | i'm not sure how i setup one to work for php |
| 18:51.02 | dijz | enouf: I never mount it, I buy it yesterday |
| 18:51.03 | arooni | apps |
| 18:51.22 | dijz | enouf: no, I think this is not need |
| 18:51.43 | mbroeker | arooni, well there is a redirect active. you need to setup your apache first ;) |
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| 18:51.50 | abrotman | Younix: what is your Desktop ? |
| 18:52.10 | arooni | mbroeker, yeah it's going to another one of my apps ;p |
| 18:52.32 | Younix | abrotman, xfce |
| 18:52.33 | Younix | someone else mentioned xpdf |
| 18:52.38 | abrotman | Younix: xpdf or evince |
| 18:52.52 | erik_ | enouf: about the DVD issue: there is nothing SATA in the BIOS setup to be found. |
| 18:52.52 | abrotman | or gpdf |
| 18:52.59 | enouf | dijz: ok, i suggest you use gparted or similar, delete any/all partitions, remove the stick (only after following whatever instructions you are told), ...then plug it back in, make a new partition, mkfs.ext3 /dev/name1 (make CERTAIN, it's correct /dev/name), then you should be good |
| 18:53.10 | Greek-Boy | what is the debian package name for Java 5? |
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| 18:53.19 | abrotman | !tell Greek-Boy about install java |
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| 18:53.21 | mbroeker | ok. i take a break right now brb |
| 18:53.22 | enouf | erik_: there has to be, you're using a sata HDD and a sata DVD drive |
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| 18:53.58 | enouf | erik_: lspci | egrep 'IDE|SATA' pastebin please |
| 18:54.07 | enouf | erik_: lspci -nn | egrep 'IDE|SATA' pastebin please |
| 18:54.08 | erik_ | enuf: yes, and the HDD works ok... but no 'SATA' in the BIOS screens... |
| 18:54.16 | erik_ | ok |
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| 18:54.46 | dijz | enouf: gparted can be fsdisk? |
| 18:55.04 | dijz | enouf: gparted can be fdisk? |
| 18:55.05 | enouf | dijz: well, sure, but make sure you reboot, or whatever it says to do |
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| 18:56.52 | erik_ | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d51d19956 |
| 18:57.06 | enouf | dijz: dmesg | tail , or running udevmonitor as root while unplugging/plugging should let you see correct /dev/name .. even cat /proc/partitions perhaps once you do partition it properly |
| 18:57.48 | enouf | erik_: ahem .. |
| 18:58.05 | s0| | I am running 64bit Debian etch (amd64), I need to install the 32bit runtime libraries since VMware apprently needs them... is apt-get install ia-32libs going to do it for me? |
| 18:58.09 | dijz | enouf: I clear /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda1 by fdisk |
| 18:58.16 | enouf | erik_: you might have a sata RAID controller card there that cannot do ATAPI devices |
| 18:58.29 | enouf | erik_: one moment |
| 18:59.23 | erik_ | enouf: it's MoBo integrated, this SATA.. |
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| 18:59.59 | dijz | enouf: I clear /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 by fdisk |
| 19:00.18 | dijz | then /dev/sda1 vanish |
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| 19:00.41 | enouf | erik_: some info http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#via8237 |
| 19:00.45 | dijz | enouf: then /dev/sda1 vanish, i get off the pen drive, then the /dev/sda vanish |
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| 19:01.27 | enouf | erik_: then you have choices perhaps of [RAID] or [IDE] in the bios |
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| 19:01.43 | enouf | dijz: ok, i think ;-) |
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| 19:02.05 | erik_ | enouf: Ok, I'll read it and see in the bios again.. thnx so far |
| 19:02.17 | enouf | erik_: pastebin your entire dmesg please |
| 19:02.37 | enouf | erik_: and are you registered? i couldn't send you a memo beofre |
| 19:02.53 | erik_ | i dunno.. |
| 19:03.16 | dijz | enouf: I will put the pen drive, and at xconsole at every 2 second *17* lines will go, it is wrong thing? |
| 19:03.35 | enouf | dijz: no , shouldn't be, |
| 19:03.42 | erik_ | enouf: dmesg: http://pastebin.com/d15c5df68 |
| 19:03.47 | enouf | dijz: one moment |
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| 19:04.02 | enouf | dijz: with udevmonitor running? or dmesg? or |
| 19:04.12 | enouf | erik_: hang a minute |
| 19:04.17 | erik_ | ok |
| 19:05.02 | dijz | enouf: I don know, it apper in xconsole |
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| 19:05.12 | dijz | enouf: I put on the pendrive |
| 19:05.44 | dijz | enouf: now i try read any thing by dmesg |
| 19:05.55 | enouf | erik_: go into bios and enable raid mode (this should enable ahci - or whatever it's equiv is for amd) |
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| 19:06.26 | dijz | enouf: xconsole is windows at me |
| 19:06.32 | Spee_Der | !moo |
| 19:06.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 19:06.45 | enouf | dijz: ok, run fdisk, and partition it |
| 19:07.07 | enouf | dijz: (maybe close that xconsole, or ctrl-c it) |
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| 19:07.49 | enouf | dijz: if you're getting 17 lines every 2 seconds, that's hald reprobing, or whatevr |
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| 19:09.08 | dijz | enouf: do you want read it? (17 lines) |
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| 19:09.42 | enouf | dijz: if it makes you feel better, sure .. it might help too ;-) pastebin please though |
| 19:09.54 | SlimeyPete | I'm trying to mount an ntfs disk (read-only is fine). I've added an entry to /etc/fsab with "user,noauto" and have mounted the device (as a normal user) into a directory to which I have rwx permissions. However I still can't access the mountpoint as a normal user. |
| 19:09.58 | SlimeyPete | What have I missed? |
| 19:10.36 | dijz | usb-storage: *** thread awakened. |
| 19:10.36 | dijz | usb-storage: Command TEST_UNIT_READY (6 bytes) |
| 19:10.36 | dijz | usb-storage: 00 00 00 00 00 00 |
| 19:10.36 | dijz | usb-storage: Bulk Command S 0x43425355 T 0x98 L 0 F 0 Trg 0 LUN 0 CL 6 |
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| 19:10.39 | dijz | usb-storage: usb_stor_bulk_transfer_buf: xfer 31 bytes |
| 19:10.41 | SlimeyPete | the permissions on the mountpoint seem to switch back to drwx------ after I've mounted. |
| 19:10.43 | dijz | usb-storage: Status code 0; transferred 31/31 |
| 19:10.45 | dijz | usb-storage: -- transfer complete |
| 19:10.47 | dijz | usb-storage: Bulk command transfer result=0 |
| 19:10.49 | dijz | usb-storage: Attempting to get CSW... |
| 19:10.51 | dijz | usb-storage: usb_stor_bulk_transfer_buf: xfer 13 bytes |
| 19:10.53 | dijz | usb-storage: Status code 0; transferred 13/13 |
| 19:10.55 | dijz | usb-storage: -- transfer complete |
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| 19:10.57 | dijz | usb-storage: Bulk status result = 0 |
| 19:10.59 | dijz | usb-storage: Bulk Status S 0x53425355 T 0x98 R 0 Stat 0x0 |
| 19:11.01 | dijz | usb-storage: scsi cmd done, result=0x0 |
| 19:11.02 | grub | dude |
| 19:11.02 | enouf | omg |
| 19:11.03 | dijz | usb-storage: *** thread sleeping. |
| 19:11.16 | SlimeyPete | dijz: use a pastebin ;p |
| 19:11.25 | cloner | dijz, that is against the rules and rude |
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| 19:11.33 | simonrvn | dijz: STOP PASTING HERE |
| 19:11.48 | dijz | SlimeyPete: sorry I try "/pastebin enouf ...." |
| 19:11.57 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 19:12.06 | simonrvn | !tell dijz -about paste |
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| 19:12.27 | simonrvn | !tell wfq -about root |
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| 19:14.39 | dijz | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/51700 |
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| 19:15.15 | wfq | hi enough |
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| 19:15.53 | wfq | I just wantedto let you know that once I rebooted my machine nothing worked again so sorry for the information I supplied you before |
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| 19:16.05 | dijz | SlimeyPete: cloner : simonrvn : now i learn it |
| 19:16.19 | simonrvn | /topic |
| 19:16.46 | wfq | I'll give up. Windows one more week (ffs) |
| 19:17.01 | simonrvn | best to read it before you do anything in a channel |
| 19:17.21 | dijz | enouf: fdisk /dev/sda, ok? |
| 19:18.07 | enouf | dijz: where did that output you pasted come from? |
| 19:18.28 | dijz | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/51700 |
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| 19:18.37 | enouf | dijz: i mean which command? |
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| 19:19.07 | dijz | enouf: it is in xconsole |
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| 19:19.28 | dijz | enouf: I dont know more where I configured it |
| 19:19.41 | enouf | dijz: what does dmesg | tail say? USE the pastein please ;-) |
| 19:19.50 | enouf | 2nd time |
| 19:20.59 | dijz | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/51701 |
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| 19:21.34 | enouf | heh |
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| 19:21.49 | enouf | dijz: ok, what's dmesg | tail 50 say? |
| 19:22.07 | dvs | enouf: here? ;-) |
| 19:22.14 | enouf | O_o |
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| 19:22.52 | enouf | gah |
| 19:23.06 | enouf | dijz: ok, what's dmesg | tail -50 say? <-- notice the -50 |
| 19:23.35 | simonrvn | your typo |
| 19:23.48 | simonrvn | and it should be -n 50 ;) |
| 19:23.59 | zinx | -n -50 |
| 19:24.02 | enouf | -50 works here ;-) |
| 19:24.06 | simonrvn | (posix stuff) |
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| 19:24.50 | enouf | pokes simonrvn with some pokeman posix |
| 19:24.56 | nsx | it works, but it's not the preferred syntax, because it's ambiguous.. especially with +50 |
| 19:25.07 | simonrvn | indeed |
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| 19:25.23 | nsx | of course if you have a file named -50 you can use -- in front, but if you have a file named +50, you'd have to use -n |
| 19:25.25 | dijz | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/51702 (i run dmesg | tail -n 50) |
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| 19:25.32 | nsx | hence why posix specifies to use -n in front |
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| 19:26.00 | simonrvn | !prize nsx |
| 19:26.00 | dpkg | gives nsx a medal. |
| 19:26.08 | nsx | thanks |
| 19:26.14 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:26.21 | nsx | vows to wear it every day for the rest of his life |
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| 19:26.38 | enouf | dijz: wonderful, no /dev/name whatsoever |
| 19:26.42 | dijz | enouf: I don read about -50, i am reading man tail... |
| 19:27.05 | simonrvn | dijz: i forgive you |
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| 19:27.56 | enouf | dijz: cat /proc/version says? you can paste that here |
| 19:29.08 | dijz | enouf: Linux version 2.6.24.3 (root@kafka) (gcc version 4.2.3 (Debian 4.2.3-2)) #4 PREEMPT Sun Mar 23 14:46:16 BRT 2008 |
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| 19:29.35 | dvs | smells sid |
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| 19:29.45 | nsx | why? |
| 19:30.15 | enouf | how, is the question ;-) |
| 19:30.15 | nsx | because he compiles his own kernels? |
| 19:30.26 | enouf | no wai |
| 19:30.45 | nsx | Linux version 2.6.23.12 (root@ganymede) (gcc version 4.2.3 20071123 (prerelease) (Debian 4.2.2-4)) #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 20 06:23:52 EST 2007 |
| 19:30.50 | nsx | mine doesn't look much different |
| 19:30.52 | nsx | and I use lenny |
| 19:31.11 | Airbottle | how did you install flash nsx? |
| 19:31.22 | enouf | .24.3 is in sid , but that PREEMPT is a ubuntuism, or somethingj |
| 19:31.25 | nsx | I think I just did apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree or something |
| 19:31.33 | dvs | nsx: and what's newer than lenny? ;-) |
| 19:31.39 | enouf | er |
| 19:31.49 | nsx | mine is preempt because I custom-compiled my own kernel |
| 19:31.50 | nsx | same with him |
| 19:31.56 | Airbottle | ah ok |
| 19:31.57 | nsx | you can tell by the root@kafka part |
| 19:32.00 | simonrvn | Linux acahkos 2.6.24.2-acahkos #1 Mon Feb 11 18:16:17 EST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:32.03 | nsx | that must be his own box |
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| 19:32.09 | damog | Debian is the shit! |
| 19:32.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:32.20 | nsx | if it were compiled by a vendor, it would have a full hostname more likely than not |
| 19:32.31 | dijz | nsx: enouf : is, I compiled the kernel "now", for support scsi |
| 19:32.40 | dijz | nsx: enouf : yes, I compiled the kernel "now", for support scsi |
| 19:32.40 | enouf | i think i meant to say .24.3 is considered vanilla stable :- |
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| 19:34.22 | dijz | nsx: i try apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree, thanks |
| 19:34.29 | nsx | sorry, it's flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:34.45 | enouf | dijz: listen, i'm not sure you're even running debian, but you somehow got a partition and did mkfs on it at one point, so it should be possible again, might want to dd /dev/zero out the stick , then try again |
| 19:34.49 | Airbottle | it doesn't work anymore i think nsx |
| 19:35.00 | Airbottle | i tried that a couple of days ago |
| 19:35.07 | Airbottle | (on etch now) |
| 19:35.15 | nsx | (03:29:08 pm) <dijz> enouf: Linux version 2.6.24.3 (root@kafka) (gcc version 4.2.3 (Debian 4.2.3-2)) #4 PREEMPT Sun Mar 23 14:46:16 BRT 2008 |
| 19:35.20 | dijz | enouf: I really use Debian |
| 19:35.20 | nsx | his kernel was at least compiled on debian |
| 19:35.23 | nsx | so I'm sure he's using debian |
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| 19:35.44 | enouf | i can read, thanks |
| 19:35.44 | dijz | enouf: I dowload kernel at www.kernel.org |
| 19:35.55 | nsx | although maybe he compiled his kernel on a debian box, then transferred it over just to trick you |
| 19:36.17 | Airbottle | if you want compiling your own kernels, try freebsd |
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| 19:36.32 | nsx | I don't see the logic in that |
| 19:36.37 | nsx | but ok, whatever you say, Airbottle |
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| 19:37.30 | subsume | how can I use apt to see what X-server packages are installed on my system? |
| 19:37.39 | enouf | dijz: ok, so .. i still can't know your issue, you seem close, perhaps you compiled kernel incorrectly, .. i need to go now for a while, so ok, hope you get it working |
| 19:37.45 | nsx | apt-cache search xorg? |
| 19:37.45 | dijz | nsx: there are packge flashplugin-nonfree :) |
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| 19:38.02 | nsx | err dpkg -l *xorg* |
| 19:38.03 | Airbottle | dpkg -l subsume |
| 19:38.03 | dpkg | ii subsume 1.7-1 airbottle's private stamp collection |
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| 19:38.17 | dijz | enouf: thanks :) |
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| 19:38.51 | jetscreamer | looks like 13.804698 might have been about right :/ |
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| 19:39.20 | nsx | subsume: try dpkg -l 'xserver-xorg*' |
| 19:39.26 | subsume | thanks |
| 19:39.33 | dijz | hmm, enouf suggest I install kernel by .deb, ? |
| 19:39.39 | Greek-Boy | how do I add a set of executables to /usr/bin? Is it necessary to copy the files there or can I just set a symbolic link? I installed the Sun Java Run time and its binaries are in /usr/java/jre1.5.0_15/bin |
| 19:39.40 | nsx | dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 19:39.40 | subsume | when my system gets into X my monitor gives me the 'out of range' error |
| 19:39.40 | dpkg | package whatever.deb is already installed |
| 19:39.43 | dijz | hmm, enouf suggest me install kernel by .deb, ? |
| 19:39.45 | subsume | I am hoping a dpkg-reconfigure will help |
| 19:40.06 | enouf | subsume: dpkg -l \*xorg* | grep ^ii |
| 19:40.07 | blsecres | Is it possible to setup both encrypted and unencrypted LVMs at installation? |
| 19:40.20 | nsx | you'd need to escape the second * too |
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| 19:40.26 | nsx | but it'd be easier to just enclose it with ' ' |
| 19:40.26 | stew | Greek-Boy: /usr/bin/java should already exist, 'update-alternatives --config java' to configure which java implementation it points to |
| 19:40.34 | stew | Greek-Boy: you shouldn't have to make any symlinks yourself |
| 19:40.56 | stew | subsume: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 19:41.32 | nsx | I get tired of doing a system upgrade and gij automatically setting itself as the default java intepreter again |
| 19:41.38 | nsx | so I just uninstalled it altogether |
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| 19:41.59 | nsx | I really don't think it should do that.. |
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| 19:42.29 | enouf | dijz: apt-get update ; apt-get search linux-image-* ; pick one ;-) (likely, the -686 ones) |
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| 19:42.37 | jetscreamer | err |
| 19:42.40 | nsx | apt-cache search |
| 19:42.41 | nsx | you mean |
| 19:42.41 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search |
| 19:42.45 | enouf | gah |
| 19:43.02 | enouf | dijz: apt-get update ; apt-cache search linux-image-* <-- coorectionm |
| 19:43.05 | enouf | gotta go |
| 19:43.09 | jetscreamer | correction |
| 19:43.11 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 19:43.14 | nsx | hahaha |
| 19:43.15 | dijz | enouf: I will make it |
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| 19:44.05 | DirkGently | wow! this is excellent! streaming music from a samba mount using rhythm box over a wireless connection! |
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| 19:44.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | something that bothers me for a long time now is the following: when i have a bunch of linux servers and a bunch of users i make an active directory and create users in that, and all servers have acces to the same userdatabase and grand rights on that? how would thois setup look in linux? |
| 19:44.40 | enouf | no need to escape anything in my command (atleast on x86) |
| 19:44.44 | jetscreamer | i just threw like 12 cases and 5 motherboards away, plus printers and some monitors ... all working afaik, too... just old. |
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| 19:44.57 | jetscreamer | mem, hd's |
| 19:45.33 | dvs | jetscreamer: make a Debian grid! ;-) |
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| 19:45.41 | DirkGently | DJ-Marcuzz: ldap? |
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| 19:45.56 | jetscreamer | he wants a linux equiv to ad i think |
| 19:45.58 | jetscreamer | for the domain |
| 19:46.02 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 19:46.03 | stew | DirkGently: you'd setup libpam-ldap or libnss-ldap |
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| 19:46.12 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: ^^^^ |
| 19:46.16 | DJ-Marcuzz | DirkGently: could you tell me some more about how that is used? becaus i cant seem to find a lot about the topic on the internet |
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| 19:46.30 | Bradmont | does anyone know if there's a way to set up a Windows dual boot without giving windows its own partition? |
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| 19:46.42 | jetscreamer | !vm |
| 19:46.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, vm is at http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/ |
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| 19:46.47 | jetscreamer | !vmware |
| 19:46.48 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 19:46.53 | Bradmont | without using a virtual machine... |
| 19:46.54 | Bradmont | :p |
| 19:47.11 | DirkGently | DJ-Marcuzz: not sure.. looks like stew might know |
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| 19:47.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew: could you tel me a little more about it? |
| 19:47.43 | stew | Bradmont: there is no filesystem which both windows and linux would be happy with afaik |
| 19:47.58 | DirkGently | Bradmont: why? :) |
| 19:48.00 | jetscreamer | i was gonna try to install linux on ntfs |
| 19:48.10 | dvs | o_O |
| 19:48.20 | Bradmont | stew: yeah, I was thinking of maybe something like having an NTFS filesystem in a file sitting on my linux drive |
| 19:48.24 | dijz | enouf: I did apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 19:48.34 | Phoenix92x | hi, running debian etch with kernel 2.6.18-5-686. I have an interface (eth0) with IP address 192.168.1.3, subnet 255.255.255.0 and default gateway 192.168.1.1. I can ping 192.168.1.1 from the machine but can't access the outside world. Other machines using the gateway can. Any thoughts? |
| 19:48.36 | Sinnerman | is there a way to add a different dvd rom _drive_ for apt/synaptic to look at for getting packages from? scenario: i have two drives, the one mounting at /cdrom/ (/dev/hda) which apt usually looks for is being used for a dvd movie. i have another free drive /dev/scd0, but apt never looks there. how do i proceed? |
| 19:48.36 | DirkGently | jetscreamer: cygwin? lol |
| 19:48.38 | Bradmont | DirkGently: because my laptop has a small harddrive and I don't want to chop it up too much |
| 19:48.59 | z-force | /man dpkg help |
| 19:49.08 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: read the docs in the libpam-ldap package, /usr/share/doc/libpam-ldap |
| 19:49.10 | z-force | */msg |
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| 19:49.19 | DirkGently | Bradmont: you can use vmware with a small root then mount the hard drive |
| 19:49.21 | stew | Bradmont: windows won't know how to find this file on your harddrive |
| 19:49.22 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, pastebin the output of 'route -n' |
| 19:49.29 | DirkGently | dangerous though |
| 19:49.50 | Bradmont | stew: yeah, that would be the tricky part... that's why I'm asking if anyone's ever heard of doing such a thing ;) |
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| 19:49.59 | stew | Sinnerman: have /dev/scd0 mount somwhere else. man apt-cdrom |
| 19:50.00 | zinx | Bradmont: you're going to have to chop it up if you're not using a VM |
| 19:50.01 | Phoenix92x | hoxu: http://pastebin.ca/954248 |
| 19:50.12 | jetscreamer | no i was thinking about trying to install debian on ntfs , DirkGently and use the ntfs-3g ... would suck though, ntfs-3g is a cpu hit for me |
| 19:50.21 | DirkGently | you'd need to use fat32 though ewww |
| 19:50.34 | env | debian on ntfs |
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| 19:50.35 | env | wtf |
| 19:50.36 | stew | you can't have linux on fat32 |
| 19:50.40 | Bradmont | the trouble is that I don't have enough ram to run a VM in any sane sort of way |
| 19:50.47 | AfterDeath | stew: I think you can, actually |
| 19:50.51 | Sinnerman | stew: i tried that, but it defaulted to getting the file from the net, which had never happened before, when it failed to get a file from the dvd. |
| 19:50.54 | jetscreamer | no perms |
| 19:50.57 | DirkGently | stew: he could use it for data only |
| 19:50.57 | Phoenix92x | Bradmont: would wine do what you need? |
| 19:51.00 | stew | AfterDeath: fat32 doens't have permissions or ownership |
| 19:51.09 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, looks fine to me, what error do you get when connecting outside? |
| 19:51.18 | stew | DirkGently: he can't use it for data if he can't boot linux |
| 19:51.19 | Bradmont | Phoenix92x: hmm, maybe -- does itunes run in wine^ |
| 19:51.23 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, do hostnames resolve, can you ping outside IPs? |
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| 19:51.28 | blsecres | is it possible to use the Debian installer, have some form of encrypted LVM and not encrypt / or /usr? |
| 19:51.28 | AfterDeath | stew: but you could run linux with all your files beng chown root:root and chmod a+rwx |
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| 19:51.38 | AfterDeath | even if it were horribly wrong. |
| 19:51.40 | Phoenix92x | Bradmont: suggest amarok over itunes, but thats just me |
| 19:51.49 | DirkGently | stew: he could setup a minimal root in vmware |
| 19:51.57 | Bradmont | Phoenix92x: yeah, I just want itunes to buy music... :p |
| 19:51.58 | Phoenix92x | hoxu: hostnames resolve (192.168.1.1 forwarding requests) but I can't ping outside IPs |
| 19:52.02 | jetscreamer | Bradmont: you could run linux from an image on an ntfs partition though |
| 19:52.17 | Guerin_ | AfterDeath: no, you couldn't. Not without significant modification, anyhow. |
| 19:52.18 | stew | DirkGently: sure, but, he said no virtual machine |
| 19:52.26 | hoxu | AfterDeath, sorry to break it to you, but you probably can't, a lot of programs have sanity checks and some things may break otherwise |
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| 19:52.33 | DirkGently | stew: because of diskspace |
| 19:52.38 | Phoenix92x | hoxu: I also have the address mapped 1:1 to a public IP via NAT and the outside world can't ping it either (other address mapped machines are pingable from outside world) |
| 19:52.44 | stew | DirkGently: no |
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| 19:53.03 | AfterDeath | hoxu: okay, so you couldn't do it perfectly. However, if you could get to a bash shell, then you're running linux. |
| 19:53.20 | Bradmont | jetscreamer: yeah, I suppose |
| 19:53.21 | AfterDeath | Just because some programs break themselves due to lack of perms doesn't mean linux won't run. |
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| 19:53.37 | Guerin_ | AfterDeath: but does that solve his initial problem? Not really. |
| 19:54.00 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, you've checked it's not a firewall problem? |
| 19:54.05 | DirkGently | AfterDeath: I know someone who ran chmod 777 on the entire filesystem of a redhat install.. borked it completely |
| 19:54.09 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to burn the small ISO install image (180 MB) to a DVD ? |
| 19:54.25 | DirkGently | which is effectively the same |
| 19:54.29 | enouf | you can't apply those commands of chown/chmod to fat32, it has no faculty for it... they'll fail miserably |
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| 19:54.30 | Guerin | Jemt: anything's possible. |
| 19:54.36 | Phoenix92x | hoxu: as far as I can tell, the machine was pingable before I switched the IP to an internal IP and did the address mapping. |
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| 19:54.49 | stew | AfterDeath: you can't create device files on fat32 |
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| 19:54.58 | subsume | Anyone know a good web based user manager for nontechies? |
| 19:55.02 | eeccho | Jemt, yes |
| 19:55.05 | Guerin | subsume: no such thing. |
| 19:55.07 | AfterDeath | DirkGently: I'd bet a good amount that you could do it in a gentoo install. |
| 19:55.13 | Jemt | eeccho: Thanks :) |
| 19:55.17 | AfterDeath | stew: you could have your /dev in tmpfs easily enough. |
| 19:55.20 | subsume | Anyone know a good web based user manager for semi-techies? |
| 19:55.22 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, I don't understand this address mapping part, what's the purpose of it? |
| 19:55.29 | DirkGently | AfterDeath: your next project then :) |
| 19:55.29 | Phoenix92x | hoxu: ie, machine used to have a public IP, but I then had my router listen for that public IP and do 1:1 mapping to the machine, which is now 192.168.1.3 instead and using 192.168.1.1 for its gateway instead of the gateway my ISP provides, which I have 192.168.1.1 forwarding to |
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| 19:56.14 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, is icmp traffic forwarded aswell? |
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| 19:56.33 | Guerin | subsume: no such thing as a good web-basd user manager exists |
| 19:56.38 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: at the moment yes, I believe so |
| 19:56.47 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, is that standard NAT setup or what do you mean with 1:1 mapping? |
| 19:56.55 | enouf | there's funk with loadlin and grub4dos (to help linux boot), but that's still not linux running on a fat32 FS |
| 19:56.55 | Bradmont | thanks, guys |
| 19:57.03 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, probably the router denies incoming icmp requests |
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| 19:57.15 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: nope, I can ping another machine thats addressed mapped |
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| 19:57.29 | Phoenix92x | hoxu: I dont have a block of public IPs in a row, I have 10 disparate ones |
| 19:57.40 | subsume | Guerin: I'll take a poor one. |
| 19:57.41 | enouf | and that doesn't mean you can't rw fat32 from linux (vfat, fat modules, etc) |
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| 19:57.48 | Phoenix92x | so instead I have my router's WAN port listening for them and then it does NAT and forwards all the ports |
| 19:57.53 | Phoenix92x | its an organization thing more than anything else |
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| 19:58.06 | Phoenix92x | and so I can maintain a sane internal network but still take advantage of the public IP address space |
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| 19:58.22 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, i guess you're pinging other machines from your local network, since that traffic is not controlled by router |
| 19:58.27 | Guerin | subsume: the only one I know of is webmin, which is far worse than poor. It's so bad it was dropped from debian. |
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| 19:59.09 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: I've been testing it by sshing into a machine in an external network and trying to ping the public IP. If all it right the router should forward the packet to 192.168.1.3 and then respond |
| 19:59.17 | subsume | Guerin: hmm, that's sad. I need a way to manage users. =( |
| 19:59.25 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, sounds a bit complex but I think I understand the purpose... have you figured any differences between the boxes that work and the one that doesn't? |
| 19:59.31 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: either that or I've misunderstood something you've said |
| 19:59.38 | eeccho | i would build a statue for people not letting webmin into debian repos |
| 19:59.45 | Guerin | subsume: ways exist. They're just not web-based. |
| 19:59.46 | Guerin | subsume: this is a feature, not a bug. |
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| 20:00.04 | Phoenix92x | hoxu: that's the thing, not really. I was having the same problem with the FreeBSD machine and then it just started working, so it feels a bit voodoo-ish atm, and I don't like that, lol |
| 20:00.16 | subsume | Guerin: I run an elementary school and I don't think the teachers are comfy using 'adduser' =) |
| 20:00.18 | stew | subsume: there is no such thing in debian. webmin used to be in debian but it was removed becuase it was full of problems and nobody was willing to maintain it |
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| 20:00.44 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, then, it's that machine's firewall, nothing else |
| 20:00.44 | subsume | Guerin: Plus its all LDAP.... I was thinking I could run a script to auto-load /etc/passwd into LDAP every reboot to propagate the users |
| 20:00.51 | Guerin | subsume: teachers shouldn't be maintaining users and such, tech support should be. |
| 20:00.53 | subsume | LDAP has a user manager but its pretty technical |
| 20:00.55 | stew | subsume: the webmen developers tried to maintain the debian packages themselves, but their packages were humorously bad, showing a lack of understanding of debian |
| 20:01.01 | eeccho | subsume, try luma |
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| 20:01.08 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: I didn't add a software firewall unless there's a default one that comes enabled in etch, do you know if there is |
| 20:01.09 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, ugh... since it sounds like a very "special" setup, I'd continue by taking packet dumps at the source box, router and then try the ping tests again |
| 20:01.09 | Phoenix92x | ? |
| 20:01.19 | stew | subsume: there is also vhcs2, but it is also not in debian, and is more suited towards hosting lots of independent virtual domains |
| 20:01.22 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, there's nothing such |
| 20:01.24 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, there's no default firewall unless you install something :) |
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| 20:01.36 | Igneous | Has anyone here used etch network install on ppc? |
| 20:01.43 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: then there's no firewall on the machine, only firewall is on the router |
| 20:01.48 | Guerin | !anyone use etch network install on ppc? |
| 20:01.48 | dpkg | No, no one uses etch network install on ppc, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:01.50 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, yes |
| 20:02.05 | Guerin | Igneous: ask the question you really want answered. |
| 20:02.16 | Phoenix92x | so what do you think I should do from here? |
| 20:02.24 | Phoenix92x | is there a way to test where the disconnect is? |
| 20:02.30 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, pm |
| 20:02.36 | Greek-Boy | stew: it turns out I have to do the sym links. do I have to do it per binary file or is there some way of including /usr/java/jre1.5.0_15/bin into /usr/bin ? |
| 20:02.41 | hoxu | eeccho, Phoenix92x: keep it on the channel please |
| 20:02.59 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, traceroute perhaps, and as I suggested, tcpdump at the box & router |
| 20:03.00 | Phoenix92x | fair enough, salright eeccho? |
| 20:03.00 | Igneous | Guerin: Nah, I was just wondering if it's useable. I'm getting a G3 tower tomorrow, and I'm debating between building from gentoo stage1, or using debian. |
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| 20:03.05 | stew | Greek-Boy: what files from /usr/java/jre1.5.0_15/bin do you need that arean't already in /usr/bin? |
| 20:03.11 | eeccho | hoxu, sure, we'll be here again since i clear out some things |
| 20:03.22 | Phoenix92x | ok running traceroute to my ISPs gateway |
| 20:03.27 | Phoenix92x | from the box in question |
| 20:03.28 | Guerin | Igneous: etch is debian stable. It's been tested, and can be expected to work. Especially on oldish hardware. |
| 20:03.35 | stew | Greek-Boy: wait, /usr/java/jre1.5.0_15/bin isn't the directory from the debian pacakge. how did you install java? |
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| 20:03.57 | Guerin | Igneous: gentoo stage 1 on a g3 will still be going when lenny is released. |
| 20:03.59 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, traceroute utilizes ip protocol, not icmp, so that's not much help |
| 20:04.15 | eeccho | err... tcp* ) |
| 20:04.18 | Phoenix92x | after the hop to the gateway it just prints asterisks |
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| 20:04.29 | DirkGently | Phoenix92x: what protocols don't work? |
| 20:04.43 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, is the router pingable from that machine? |
| 20:04.49 | Igneous | Guerin: I read on the debian site that 3.1 still maintained for ppc? Does 3.1 have more ppc packages or something? |
| 20:04.53 | hoxu | eeccho, uh, no, traceroute does not use tcp. tcptraceroute does |
| 20:04.56 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: my internal router, yes |
| 20:05.13 | stew | eeccho: traceroute will use icmp, tcp, or udp, all of which are on top of ip |
| 20:05.27 | dijz | enouf: I am usig debian-kernel package, I put on the pen drive, and no more I get 17 lines every 2 seconds! |
| 20:05.28 | Greek-Boy | stew; I did it with the binary installer from sun because my apt-get broke when I included non-free |
| 20:05.32 | Phoenix92x | DirkGently: I don't know exhaustively. Outside of my own network nothing can get to 192.168.1.3 and 192.168.1.3 can't get to the outside world |
| 20:05.37 | stew | hoxu: tracroute -T uses tcp |
| 20:05.47 | stew | Greek-Boy: broke how? |
| 20:06.01 | hoxu | stew, hrmh, I guess tcptraceroute is alias for that :) |
| 20:06.05 | Guerin | Igneous: doubtful. 4.0 has many more packages than 3.1. |
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| 20:06.09 | eeccho | afair traceroute uses tcp... at least, filter logs it onto syslog, if blocking |
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| 20:06.20 | stew | hoxu: no, its not |
| 20:06.30 | stew | eeccho: it uses tcp, udp, or icmp |
| 20:06.31 | hoxu | stew, my manual says "tcptraceroute is equivalent to traceroute -T" |
| 20:06.38 | stew | hoxu: yes |
| 20:06.38 | subsume | Guerin: maybe I will just give them some adduser instructions and then create install scripts to load them into LDAP |
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| 20:06.50 | eeccho | stew, ok |
| 20:07.08 | Guerin | subsume: the trouble is that such things must run as root, and that means fuckupshave potential to cause major harm. |
| 20:07.29 | Greek-Boy | stew: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release Unable to find expected entry none-free/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 20:07.33 | subsume | Guerin: I can give one or two of them sudo. I don't think they'll guff anything up running sudo adduser |
| 20:07.36 | Phoenix92x | thoughts on what to try/do next? |
| 20:07.37 | DirkGently | Phoenix92x: have you tried a different device on that ip address? |
| 20:07.51 | Guerin | subsume: it's your network. |
| 20:07.54 | dijz | enouf: cat /proc/version : Linux version 2.6.24-1-686 (Debian 2.6.24-4) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080114 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-19)) #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 14:37:45 UTC 2008 |
| 20:07.55 | stew | Greek-Boy: try a different mirror |
| 20:07.57 | subsume | Guerin: yepo. Should be ok. |
| 20:08.03 | hoxu | Greek-Boy, "none-free"? |
| 20:08.13 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, let's clear things out... describe your problem again pls |
| 20:08.29 | stew | Greek-Boy: although, i do see that entry, so perhaps you should just try updating again |
| 20:08.36 | Phoenix92x | DirkGently: to check for hardware failure? doubtful, the NIC worked before I changed the addresses, and that was only a few hours ago |
| 20:08.41 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: ok, one moment |
| 20:08.45 | Greek-Boy | hoxu: yes |
| 20:08.54 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, clearly pls |
| 20:08.59 | Greek-Boy | stew: I tried again and again |
| 20:09.05 | stew | Greek-Boy: oh, yeah, you want 'non-free' not 'none-free' |
| 20:09.09 | DirkGently | Phoenix92x: no to check that stuff is routing to and from that address |
| 20:09.19 | Greek-Boy | stew: thanks, i didn't realise that |
| 20:09.38 | DirkGently | none-free == windows |
| 20:10.12 | dijz | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/51708 (dmesg | tail -n 50 ) |
| 20:12.38 | Phoenix92x | my machine, lets call it A, used to have a public IP address assigned to eth0. Several of my machines were like this and I decided that I wanted to have all of my public IP addresses dealt with by my router which would just map the incoming packets to the proper internal IP via NAT 1 to 1 Address mapping. So something headed to say 82.51.122.3 is now being forwarded to 192.168.1.3. For some reason, however, now 192.168.1.3 can only reach the internal |
| 20:12.38 | Phoenix92x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:13.47 | stew | Phoenix92x: can the outside world get to it via 82.51.122.3? |
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| 20:13.56 | Phoenix92x | stew: nope |
| 20:14.07 | stew | Phoenix92x: are you proxying arp? |
| 20:14.07 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, can you get a tcpdump at the router? |
| 20:14.23 | Phoenix92x | stew: I don't believe so, but I don't know what that means |
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| 20:14.35 | stew | Phoenix92x: how exactly are you doing the fowarding? |
| 20:14.44 | Phoenix92x | hoxu: router is a zyxel zywall 2, I don't know if I can or not. what does that entail? |
| 20:14.56 | Phoenix92x | stew: NAT 1:1 address mapping |
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| 20:15.08 | stew | Phoenix92x: oh, i was assuming you were using debian |
| 20:15.11 | distatica | It goes Stable, testing, unstable right? |
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| 20:15.19 | Phoenix92x | stew: debian is running on the machine that's not reachable |
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| 20:15.34 | Phoenix92x | stew: wish I had the resources to build a real router right now, lol |
| 20:15.38 | DirkGently | it's probably got nothing to do with the os |
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| 20:15.44 | Phoenix92x | Id through pfsense on something and have a much better time... |
| 20:15.44 | Phoenix92x | lol |
| 20:15.53 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, well, it would show you all the packets that arrive/leave the box... kind of useful information :p |
| 20:15.58 | Phoenix92x | ah |
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| 20:16.08 | Farhad | stew, ping |
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| 20:16.28 | Phoenix92x | oh |
| 20:16.32 | Phoenix92x | just found the log feature for the router |
| 20:16.39 | Phoenix92x | so ya, I can check logs if someone could tell me what to look for |
| 20:16.48 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, ok. then you need to use m:m nat, not 1:1 on router |
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| 20:16.52 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, tried assigning a different IP for the unreachable box, one that worked on another box? |
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| 20:17.21 | DirkGently | pats his dd-wrt on buffalo router |
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| 20:17.50 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: why m:m? 1:1 is working for the other one, will multiple 1:1 entries not work? |
| 20:17.59 | Phoenix92x | hoxu: different internal or different public? |
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| 20:18.23 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, different internal |
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| 20:18.32 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, right, 1:1 is working only for _that_ one |
| 20:18.57 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: so I can't have multiple 1:1 mappings? |
| 20:19.09 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, it's many-to-many, then |
| 20:19.13 | stew | Farhad: ? |
| 20:19.23 | dijz | enouf: nsx : thanks a lot!!! I have monted it! |
| 20:19.32 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: eehhhh...but many to many looks like it can only assign ranges to ranges and my public IPs aren't in a block |
| 20:19.44 | stew | Phoenix92x: these are questions for zyxel, not us |
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| 20:19.55 | Farhad | stew, hi, again, I tired by nautilus 2.2* this picture is result, http://i29.tinypic.com/24w7xbt.png |
| 20:19.55 | dijz | I put off the another kernels |
| 20:20.05 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, should't be a problem, try configuring your router this way |
| 20:20.08 | Phoenix92x | stew: fair enough, but I don't understand why having multiple 1:1 entires wouldn't make sense |
| 20:20.10 | stew | Farhad: ok |
| 20:20.14 | Phoenix92x | *wouldn't work |
| 20:20.19 | stew | Phoenix92x: i dont' either. ask them |
| 20:20.23 | Farhad | stew, I got it by root, this drive have 170-180MB free space! |
| 20:20.34 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: ok, what do I need to do here? |
| 20:20.46 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, read its manual ) |
| 20:21.08 | DirkGently | RIFM? |
| 20:21.11 | stew | Farhad: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 20:21.34 | eeccho | DirkGently, kinda |
| 20:21.35 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: have been. Allright, I'll try some stuff and try back in a bit, thanks for your time folks! |
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| 20:21.38 | stew | Farhad: how did you check that natilus is running as root? |
| 20:21.39 | dijz | Thanks guys!!!!!! |
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| 20:21.56 | Farhad | stew, I logged on by root! |
| 20:22.03 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, this _is_ many-to-many, try searching a chapter on this |
| 20:22.15 | stew | Farhad: note that running nautilus as root is a bad idea, as is logging into X as root |
| 20:22.34 | Phoenix92x | ok. so do I do multiple many to many entires then? |
| 20:22.39 | Phoenix92x | or do I do it via one entry? |
| 20:23.02 | Phoenix92x | wait a moment, I have two 1:1 mappings working concurrently right now just fine |
| 20:23.06 | Farhad | stew, ok thanks |
| 20:23.07 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, no. your router's manual shall give you a clue |
| 20:23.12 | Phoenix92x | so how can it be that 1:1 is the problem? |
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| 20:23.48 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, because 1:1 is 'forward requests from _1_ external to _1_ local' |
| 20:24.02 | Phoenix92x | so wouldn't multiple entires do that for different addresses? |
| 20:24.08 | eeccho | nope |
| 20:24.17 | hoxu | eeccho, do you know this particular device? |
| 20:24.20 | Phoenix92x | Im confused then because it already is.... |
| 20:24.31 | eeccho | hoxu, which one? |
| 20:24.40 | hoxu | eeccho, zyxel whatever |
| 20:24.49 | hoxu | zyxel zywall 2 |
| 20:24.54 | Phoenix92x | its already forwarding everything from public IP #1, to 192.168.1.2 and public IP #2 to 192.168.1.56, it just won't do public IP #3 to 192.168.1.3 |
| 20:25.01 | eeccho | i'm here via zyxel, but it's p660 |
| 20:25.19 | hoxu | I have to side on Phoenix92x's interpretation of it, since it seems that works for multiple boxes already |
| 20:26.00 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, anyway, configuring your zyxel box is out of scope for this channel, we can only help you with utilities that debian has for studying network problems |
| 20:26.02 | DirkGently | hoxu: he could prove that by putting a different device on that IP address |
| 20:26.33 | Phoenix92x | hoxu: I don't think the problem is at the zyxel box though, because its working for other machines |
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| 20:26.49 | Phoenix92x | DirkGently: I'll try that, one moment |
| 20:26.49 | eeccho | zyxel routers have builtin limitations, btw... on maximum of nat sessions |
| 20:27.06 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: oh? |
| 20:27.06 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, the debian side network configuration seemed OK to me |
| 20:27.21 | DirkGently | Phoenix92x: have you tried a live distro? that would prove whether it's the os or not |
| 20:27.37 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, my allows me 512 |
| 20:27.56 | Phoenix92x | one moment, I'm going to try 192.168.1.3 on this machine and see if it forwards properly |
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| 20:28.12 | eeccho | you know, heh... rebooting device could help ) |
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| 20:28.27 | DirkGently | lol |
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| 20:28.50 | eeccho | really... |
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| 20:29.03 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, if you assign the internal IP to another box, remember to take the other one's interface down and reboot the zyxel box just to be on the safe side... |
| 20:29.03 | Phoenix92x | tried, it, will try it again |
| 20:29.18 | hoxu | !penixstrike TheEasterBunny |
| 20:29.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking TheEasterBunny to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:29.34 | eeccho | to erase arp table, right |
| 20:29.51 | hoxu | Phoenix92x, anyway, good luck :) |
| 20:30.00 | DirkGently | eeccho: you don't think he's done that? |
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| 20:30.28 | Phoenix92x | how does one erase the arp table via command line? |
| 20:30.32 | eeccho | DirkGently, why should't him give it a second try? |
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| 20:31.55 | Ward1983 | is it possible to patch debian im running on my pda to use EABI? |
| 20:32.44 | Ward1983 | (its has a Xscale) |
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| 20:33.51 | Solid | im using debain etch, i can see multiple ips with same mac in the arp table, what could be wrong |
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| 20:35.08 | eeccho | Solid, are these ip local? |
| 20:35.11 | Solid | you can see it http://pastebin.com/m4802988e |
| 20:35.12 | Solid | yeah |
| 20:35.23 | joell | Is there some way or application that makes it possible for windows users to mount debian ext3 filesystems and retrieve data ? |
| 20:35.28 | dokma | hi guys and gurls if any |
| 20:35.37 | eeccho | Solid, then it's ok, they are virtual interfaces |
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| 20:35.55 | grand_grunt | joell: There is a ext3 driver for Windows, yes |
| 20:36.01 | Solid | huh? , sometimes i cant ping the debian machine |
| 20:36.01 | dokma | I'd like to limit who can connect to my box via ssh by ip ranges |
| 20:36.09 | dokma | what's the way to do that? |
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| 20:36.16 | dokma | I run my ssh via inetd |
| 20:36.22 | Ward1983 | is scared of Solid 's LAN |
| 20:36.27 | eeccho | dokma, /etc/hosts.allow |
| 20:36.28 | joell | grand_grunt: wow nice! |
| 20:36.30 | Phoenix92x | when the system comes back up is there anything I should check with arp? |
| 20:36.33 | grand_grunt | http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html |
| 20:36.36 | stew | Solid: nothing is wrong with having multiple IPs with the same MAC address |
| 20:36.37 | dokma | eeccho: tx mate! |
| 20:36.39 | dokma | I'm on it |
| 20:36.40 | Phoenix92x | (rebooted box in question again to see if it helps) |
| 20:37.01 | Solid | yeah but its not showing the right mac agains its ip |
| 20:37.16 | Solid | when i reboot the shows the right mac against its ip |
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| 20:37.39 | Solid | but after few min the arp table is messed up |
| 20:37.53 | dude_ | joell: http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html |
| 20:39.02 | eeccho | Solid, the rest of network runs windows? |
| 20:39.09 | Solid | yup |
| 20:39.30 | eeccho | check them with antivirus sw |
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| 20:40.02 | Solid | oh shi*t 200 + pcs :( |
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| 20:40.08 | dokma | eeccho: that seems to be it |
| 20:40.12 | dokma | one more thing |
| 20:40.16 | eeccho | Solid, that's windows ) |
| 20:40.20 | dokma | I tried to change the port ssh is listening on |
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| 20:40.31 | dokma | but an edit of /etc/ssh/sshd_config did no change |
| 20:40.44 | dokma | is there somewhere else that I need to edit also? |
| 20:41.03 | DirkGently | how come with Debian I can play media files without restriction and other distros cripple them? I thought debian was more strict |
| 20:41.19 | eeccho | dokma, if you run it via inetd, you should take a look into /etc/inetd.conf |
| 20:41.41 | dokma | I did that eeccho but I don't think it mentions ports |
| 20:41.55 | eeccho | DirkGently, you've got included non-free repos, i think |
| 20:42.14 | eeccho | dokma, did /etc/init.d/ssh restart help? |
| 20:42.33 | dokma | well, since ssh is run via inetd it does not make sense right? |
| 20:42.42 | DirkGently | eeccho: ahh that'd be it then :) |
| 20:42.58 | Solid | but on my other windoz server its shwoing the correct arp table |
| 20:43.11 | eeccho | yes, but... pastebin your inetd.conf |
| 20:43.35 | Solid | but on my debain machine , messed up |
| 20:43.48 | eeccho | Solid, anyway, i'd check them first |
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| 20:44.43 | eeccho | Solid, try running dhcp server |
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| 20:44.58 | Solid | yeah im running dhcp |
| 20:45.08 | eeccho | o_O |
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| 20:45.42 | Solid | -without dynamic leases |
| 20:45.45 | Phoenix92x | I think if 192.168.1.3 starts being able to access the outside world the problem should be solved. I don't think it has to do with the address mapping or the zyxel. Does that make sense? |
| 20:46.22 | eeccho | yes, but with that, the problem rests either on wire or .3 box |
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| 20:47.07 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: there's nothing else I could check? |
| 20:47.34 | eeccho | Phoenix92x, can .3 machine ping outer world? |
| 20:47.41 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: no |
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| 20:47.51 | eeccho | and the router? |
| 20:47.57 | Phoenix92x | it can ping the router |
| 20:48.03 | eeccho | then it's router |
| 20:48.09 | RyanRyan52 | Is there a GUI program that will let you look at an xml file in a nice way? |
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| 20:48.23 | stew | RyanRyan52: iceweasel? |
| 20:48.25 | Phoenix92x | eeccho: then why aren't the other machines that are set up the exact same way having a problem? |
| 20:48.33 | eeccho | RyanRyan52, it depends on niceness |
| 20:48.41 | Phoenix92x | thats the part I don't understand in how it could be the router |
| 20:48.52 | DirkGently | Phoenix92x: did you put a different device on .3? |
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| 20:49.00 | DirkGently | did it work okay? |
| 20:49.04 | Phoenix92x | DirkGently: about to, I'll brb |
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| 20:49.26 | Phoenix92x | DirkGently: as in give another interface .3 right? |
| 20:49.29 | RyanRyan52 | iceweasel just displays it...I want something that would be readable by a non-computer person that wouldn't look like a bunch of wierd stuff... |
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| 20:49.33 | eeccho | i think it's router |
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| 20:50.08 | DirkGently | Phoenix92x: as in replace your debian pc with a different one - or boot it to a different os |
| 20:50.15 | eeccho | RyanRyan52, what's the person expected to to with that xml? |
| 20:50.26 | RyanRyan52 | get information from it... |
| 20:50.42 | eeccho | try firefox |
| 20:50.50 | stew | eeccho: that's already been suggested |
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| 20:51.03 | Phoenix92x | DirkGently: assigning .3 to another machine and seeing if it works for that one? would that work? |
| 20:51.05 | RyanRyan52 | doesn't want to see the <node>something |
| 20:51.08 | eeccho | uhm... an rss-reader? |
| 20:51.16 | DirkGently | Phoenix92x: yes |
| 20:51.25 | stew | RyanRyan52: what do you want to see? |
| 20:51.59 | mindheavy | do i need a network manager or can i use commands to connect to a wireless network that shows up in 'iwlist' |
| 20:52.15 | RyanRyan52 | like in windows explorer there are little things next to all of the folder names that you click them and you see all of the files in that folder (thats the only example I can think od) |
| 20:52.19 | RyanRyan52 | *of |
| 20:52.57 | stew | RyanRyan52: and how is this different than what iceweasel does? |
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| 20:53.16 | hooya | i have a bunch of files that were copied from a DVD (video). it has the VIDEO_TS and all files underneath that directory. do i just create a data dvd and copy those directories or do i need to do something special to create a dvd that's playable in a regular dvd player? |
| 20:53.18 | DirkGently | RyanRyan52: that's because they've been interpreted |
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| 20:54.17 | RyanRyan52 | ohhh...sorry I bugged you people...I never noticed that iceweasel did that... |
| 20:54.34 | RyanRyan52 | is obviously dumber than he thought he was :D |
| 20:54.55 | eeccho | hooya, use k3b. just pull these folders into a project |
| 20:55.16 | hooya | eeccho: into a 'data dvd' project? |
| 20:56.10 | eeccho | hooya, yep |
| 20:56.17 | hooya | eeccho: thanks. |
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| 21:00.20 | DustyBin | how do you do strikethrough letters on irssi? |
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| 21:01.38 | eeccho | DustyBin, it's not welcomed |
| 21:01.41 | bjwebb | DustyBin: -like- -this- ? |
| 21:01.46 | bjwebb | oh, that doesn't work |
| 21:01.48 | DustyBin | i wont do it here |
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| 21:07.58 | ElDiabolo | Does anybody have a better recommendation for a fanless debian "micro server" than the ASUS WL-500g. |
| 21:08.05 | CoolCold | hello, anyone familiar with debian-installer & custom kernels? |
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| 21:08.29 | hooya | ElDiabolo: how about the hp thin clients? they even come with debian. |
| 21:08.44 | CoolCold | i wanna know is there any tool to check existance of all modules from /usr/share/kernel-wedge/modules/ |
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| 21:10.18 | pfoo | hello..what are your thoughts on the XFS FS? |
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| 21:12.32 | ElDiabolo | hooya, too expensive (i pay for graphics i don't need) and not shure if they are fanless. |
| 21:13.02 | hooya | true. |
| 21:16.37 | CoolCold | pfoo: well, it works |
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| 21:17.17 | pfoo | CoolCold, ok. I assume it's still being actively developed for debian? |
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| 21:18.45 | ElDiabolo | hooya, my main objection withe the asus router is that it has only 32mb ram. Otherwise it looks good - fanless, low power consumption and an installation i can handle. So i'll probably go that way. |
| 21:19.07 | jez999 | For some reason, my application is unable to either send or receive UDP packets when I'm logged on as a user, although it can as root. iptables is empty. Any ideas why thsi might be? |
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| 21:20.17 | eeccho | jez999, use ports above 1024 |
| 21:20.40 | jez999 | it's not using ports under 1024 |
| 21:21.17 | eeccho | jez999, check again |
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| 21:23.55 | jez999 | check again? |
| 21:23.57 | jez999 | what do you mean? |
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| 21:24.44 | garnesson | hi, i need help to mount a ntfs harddrive on my debian (amd64) computer, so I can write files on it... |
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| 21:25.27 | wols | !tell garnesson about ntfs-3g |
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| 21:26.05 | eeccho | jez999, against ports being used by an application |
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| 21:27.34 | jez999 | it does seem to bind the correct udp port |
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| 21:29.13 | eeccho | jez999, then it's about your app, not debian |
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| 21:31.32 | stiv2k | how can I change the volume label of a .ISO file? |
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| 21:34.07 | realone | i want to install java for iceweasel |
| 21:34.42 | LightKnight | apt-get install sun-java6-plugin |
| 21:35.07 | LightKnight | (WARNING: non-free software, RMS will cry, kill your cat and burn all your comic collection) |
| 21:35.08 | LightKnight | :) |
| 21:35.22 | zinx | vrms'd |
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| 21:46.06 | wayneward | greetings any asus 701 users here |
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| 21:50.52 | stiv2k | anyone here ever use DeVeDe? |
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| 21:53.37 | Supaplex | stiv2k: why? |
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| 21:55.42 | Younix | i thought there was some kind of 'configurer' to change what loads on boot and what doesn't ;/ |
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| 21:56.45 | realone | LightKnight are u here |
| 21:56.53 | LightKnight | realone: what's up? |
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| 21:58.22 | stiv2k | Supaplex: i was wondering if there is an option within to software to edit the volume label of the disc.. |
| 21:58.22 | realone | LightKnight i don't have non-free on my sources.list |
| 21:58.29 | stiv2k | Supaplex: s/to/the |
| 21:58.33 | LightKnight | realone: can you add it? |
| 21:58.44 | realone | LightKnight i use apt-spy to write to sources.list |
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| 21:59.20 | realone | LightKnight how ? just write it? |
| 21:59.20 | LightKnight | realone: I don't use that program, check if you can make it include non-free as well. |
| 21:59.42 | LightKnight | Or else try just changing sources.list by hand :) |
| 22:00.06 | realone | LightKnight stable main non-free |
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| 22:00.20 | realone | LightKnight i have just "stable main " |
| 22:00.32 | LightKnight | realone: "contrib" as well wouldn't hurt, but yes, that's the way :) |
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| 22:01.00 | Thom1 | Hi |
| 22:01.07 | realone | LightKnight how? write me all the libk ple if u can |
| 22:01.13 | realone | LightKnight how? write me all the link ple if u can |
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| 22:01.22 | Thom1 | Someone have the elf.theme for irssi ? |
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| 22:01.28 | LightKnight | realone: "stable main contrib non-free" |
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| 22:01.59 | realone | LightKnight ok thanks |
| 22:02.06 | LightKnight | :) |
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| 22:02.29 | s0| | if you had to pick on to learn (in depth, both from scratch) which you go for: mySQL or postGRESQL ? |
| 22:03.27 | eeccho | s0|, postgres |
| 22:03.31 | LightKnight | I know neither of them, so the question applies to me as well :) |
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| 22:04.10 | s0| | eeccho, becuase postGRES has better performance or because of something else? |
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| 22:04.52 | eeccho | s0|, its api |
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| 22:05.28 | eeccho | and sql conformance |
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| 22:05.52 | pipeline | s0|: Doesn't really matter. Pick one and run. |
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| 22:07.34 | eeccho | pipeline, i would advise pg, since i'm with both for 3 years ) |
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| 22:08.15 | tnks | Hi, where physically are user crontabs stored? |
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| 22:08.29 | eeccho | tnks, /var/spool/cron |
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| 22:08.35 | s0| | eeccho, will either of them preform better than the other in a VM (I know preformance will suffer being in a vm anyways, but...) |
| 22:08.35 | tnks | eeccho: thanks |
| 22:08.42 | pipeline | eeccho: Pg is the better database, but mysql is more widely used. So there's not really a reason for someone playing around to pick one over the other :) |
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| 22:08.54 | eeccho | s0|, it depends on a task |
| 22:09.30 | eeccho | pipeline, i just went out with my opinion ) |
| 22:10.01 | eeccho | widespread ain't stand for the best ) |
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| 22:12.10 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.39 | tralala | over usb? |
| 22:12.51 | eeccho | over trucks |
| 22:12.54 | jetscreamer | no, pata/ide |
| 22:13.06 | jetscreamer | udma5 |
| 22:13.22 | tralala | that's rather slow |
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| 22:13.41 | eeccho | use sata luke |
| 22:13.44 | jetscreamer | it's what it's been like forever though |
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| 22:14.08 | eeccho | which gave me once 50 m/s |
| 22:14.26 | jetscreamer | yeh i know it's faster :/ |
| 22:14.38 | zinx | ehm, i have an SATA drive that gives like 80MB/s |
| 22:15.11 | zinx | and i have an IDE drive, which isn't particularly fast, that gives 60MB/s |
| 22:15.14 | s0| | meh, raid FTW |
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| 22:15.20 | eeccho | zinx, that'd be 'from partition to partition', at least ) |
| 22:15.25 | debian-is-me | Does debian have a special way to combine several networkcards? |
| 22:15.28 | zinx | my RAID6 array gives ~150MB/s reading :/ |
| 22:15.32 | jetscreamer | network bonding |
| 22:15.39 | jetscreamer | or nic bonding |
| 22:15.43 | jetscreamer | !bonding |
| 22:15.43 | dpkg | i heard bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source |
| 22:15.44 | s0| | zinx, spindel count? |
| 22:15.51 | eeccho | zinx, this explains a lot |
| 22:15.54 | zinx | s0|: # of drives? 6 |
| 22:16.02 | debian-is-me | Is it a difficult proces? |
| 22:16.22 | jetscreamer | don't think so, don't know havent actually done it |
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| 22:16.27 | zinx | s0|: i probably didn't set it up optimally :/ |
| 22:16.34 | jetscreamer | some nic's have a wire to go from nic to nic |
| 22:16.45 | stew | !bonding is also the documentation in the ifenslave package |
| 22:16.45 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 22:16.59 | s0| | zinx, I was going to say I have 6 disk raid 5 and it will read a whole lot faster than that. |
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| 22:17.32 | zinx | s0|: 6 disk raid5 also has one less drive of redundant data |
| 22:17.33 | debian-is-me | Maybe I should rather buy a gigabit card. |
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| 22:17.43 | s0| | zinx, true |
| 22:17.58 | jetscreamer | ok now somebody answer my 'wtf is that signature fdisk wants to write to a virgin drive' question |
| 22:18.00 | eeccho | zinx, does your mb wear hardware for that? |
| 22:18.19 | zinx | eeccho: my motherboard has little to do with the array |
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| 22:18.26 | eeccho | zinx, ah ok |
| 22:18.43 | eeccho | jetscreamer, it wants to recognize the disk aftwerwards |
| 22:18.44 | jetscreamer | debian-is-me: you would need another gigabit at the other end i guess |
| 22:19.03 | zinx | eeccho: hardware RAID6 is expensive and the tools looked like crap, so I avoided it :/ |
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| 22:19.05 | s0| | zinx, hardware or software raid? |
| 22:19.10 | jetscreamer | eeccho: a little more technical explanation maybe is what i was looking for :) |
| 22:19.12 | zinx | s0|: software |
| 22:19.23 | debian-is-me | jetscreamer: I have a debian fileserver with a 10mbps network card, it just got too slow. |
| 22:19.27 | s0| | has hardware raid |
| 22:19.41 | eeccho | jetscreamer, it's about to write down a disc signature |
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| 22:19.58 | eeccho | couple of bytes ) |
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| 22:20.09 | jetscreamer | eeccho: yeah, i got that.. i'm just wondering wtf this signature is |
| 22:20.21 | jetscreamer | signature of/to what |
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| 22:20.56 | jetscreamer | i've seen it write it a lot |
| 22:21.04 | jetscreamer | i was just wondering what it is |
| 22:21.15 | eeccho | jetscreamer, disk layout, in short |
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| 22:22.24 | jetscreamer | medium short? |
| 22:22.27 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 22:22.34 | eeccho | kinda |
| 22:22.55 | Ward1983 | is it possible to patch debian im running on my pda to use EABI? |
| 22:23.18 | realone | i have debian on dell d400 but when i was have gnome bloutouth and now with kde i don't see it can any one help me to worck with the blutouth |
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| 22:23.52 | jetscreamer | i know there are kde bluetooth packages, did you get them? |
| 22:24.05 | jetscreamer | anyway, time to partition |
| 22:24.18 | eeccho | Ward1983, sudo apt-get install kdebluetooth |
| 22:24.45 | Ward1983 | realone, <eeccho> Ward1983, sudo apt-get install kdebluetooth |
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| 22:24.49 | pfoo | hello, I'm getting 'the lilo package failed to install into /target/' when trying to install grub/lilo as boot loader. I assume this is releated to me using XFS FS for /boot, but is this normal? |
| 22:25.00 | Ward1983 | eeccho, wrong highlight lol |
| 22:25.13 | eeccho | Ward1983, i've guessed so ) |
| 22:25.38 | Ward1983 | eeccho, im not the one who asked about bluetooth lol |
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| 22:25.51 | Igneous | I just noticed one of my computers is logging something really wierd to the kernlog, and demsg.. ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [dbb4fdec] 'on'.. All the fans are working, and the tems are fine.. Is there any way I could stop it from spamming dmesg and the kernlog? |
| 22:25.54 | realone | why sodo |
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| 22:25.58 | realone | why sudo |
| 22:26.00 | eeccho | Ward1983, oh my... ) sorry ) |
| 22:26.01 | Igneous | dmesg* |
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| 22:26.23 | Ward1983 | eeccho, lol no problem i repeated the message and highlighted correctly :) |
| 22:26.23 | eeccho | realone, installing packages requires power, which sudo gives you |
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| 22:27.37 | jetscreamer | here we go: Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel Building a new DOS disklabel with disk identifier 0x854c91f7. |
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| 22:28.28 | jetscreamer | !eat TheEasterBunny |
| 22:28.28 | dpkg | eats TheEasterBunny, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* and catches Mad Cow Disease |
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| 22:28.55 | Ward1983 | is scared of jetscreamer |
| 22:29.04 | eeccho | neither |
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| 22:29.38 | nerdsquad3210 | any list of hardware linux is able to break ? |
| 22:29.55 | Supaplex | !hcl |
| 22:29.55 | dpkg | [hcl] at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 22:29.56 | eeccho | nerdsquad3210, better use a breaker |
| 22:30.06 | Supaplex | I perfer thermite. ;) |
| 22:30.14 | Igneous | I just noticed one of my computers is logging something really wierd to the kernlog, and demsg.. ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [dbb4fdec] 'on'.. All the fans are working, and the tems are fine.. Is there any way I could stop it from spamming dmesg and the kernlog? |
| 22:30.24 | Cowclops | hahaha |
| 22:30.25 | eeccho | Supaplex, debian-ignited, yep ) |
| 22:30.26 | maligor | I just throw them in the nearest star |
| 22:30.32 | Cowclops | so i hear debian-is-me has a layer 8 error |
| 22:30.40 | Cowclops | we suspected the same in ##hardware |
| 22:30.54 | bolt | okay I'm stumped. I copied my /etc/apt/preferences to my friend's machine, and the pins don't work. the files are identical, but the pinning has absolutely no effect. however, his previous 3 lines, which pinned * to etch-backports, worked perfectly. they are removed now, because i thought the wildcard might be overriding my lines. any ideas? |
| 22:31.28 | eeccho | bolt, apt-get update on your friend's machine |
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| 22:32.00 | realone | i have install kdebluetooth but where can i found it? |
| 22:32.34 | bolt | eeccho: tried. no effect. also, changes to my preferences file do not seem to require an update |
| 22:32.38 | eeccho | realone, [k] -> internet -> there |
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| 22:33.23 | realone | eeccho thanks |
| 22:33.25 | Ward1983 | is it possible to patch debian im running on my pda to use EABI? |
| 22:33.47 | Farhad | which program is like adobe premier for linux?: |
| 22:34.04 | eeccho | Farhad, cindelerra |
| 22:34.16 | eeccho | needs to get used to, though |
| 22:34.16 | Ward1983 | Farhad, none, but you can do a lot with cinelerra, for more basic stuff try openmovieeditor |
| 22:34.37 | Gryfelhase | or avidemux in combination with audacity ;) |
| 22:34.52 | eeccho | or mencoder on command-line |
| 22:34.53 | Gryfelhase | You have just to do some stuff on paper ;) |
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| 22:35.26 | Younix | how the heck do i change what's loaded on boot |
| 22:35.29 | Ward1983 | premiere goes a little bit further then mencoder :p |
| 22:35.42 | eeccho | Younix, update-rc.d --help |
| 22:36.06 | eeccho | Ward1983, yes, visually ) |
| 22:36.17 | Farhad | thanks :) |
| 22:36.51 | Ward1983 | eeccho, its software to produce, simply not comparable to mencoder imo |
| 22:36.56 | Cowclops | I don't see any "free" high level video editing software coming out any time soon |
| 22:37.00 | Cowclops | i used to work for avid |
| 22:37.14 | eeccho | Cowclops, use mac ) |
| 22:37.17 | simonrvn | closest i've seen is lives |
| 22:37.18 | Ward1983 | Cowclops, you're right, and it sucks becquse i need something liek it |
| 22:37.23 | Gryfelhase | Cowclops: What about avidemux? You can't mix many audio-tracks, but that's all |
| 22:37.31 | Ward1983 | eeccho, mac? *pukes* |
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| 22:37.42 | Cowclops | and its a lot of work to make video editing software that doesn't crash, has a usable interface, and has all the features people will actually need |
| 22:37.46 | Gryfelhase | You can split the tracks from film and manage it in audacity |
| 22:37.56 | eeccho | Ward1983, should that be x86? ) |
| 22:37.59 | maligor | and if you do try cinelerra, Cinelerra CV is a better idea than Heroine Warrior version |
| 22:38.20 | Ward1983 | eeccho, lol thats better but then its not open enymore :( |
| 22:38.27 | Ward1983 | and illegal lol |
| 22:38.35 | eeccho | true ) |
| 22:38.53 | Ward1983 | maligor, is cinelerra cv some special version? |
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| 22:39.27 | maligor | it's a community version of sorts |
| 22:39.39 | Ward1983 | maligor, with another interface i hope? |
| 22:39.45 | maligor | no, the same |
| 22:39.51 | Ward1983 | maligor, damn |
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| 22:39.59 | eeccho | i hate it |
| 22:40.08 | Ward1983 | ive stopped using cinelerra because its anything but intuitive, not nice to work with |
| 22:40.16 | Cowclops | Yeah |
| 22:40.20 | Cowclops | user interface for video editing is important |
| 22:40.32 | Cowclops | its a lot of work to edit video, and if the interface requires even more clicking than makes sense, its a waste of time |
| 22:40.36 | Ward1983 | premiere does a very good job there, on the GUI part |
| 22:40.38 | maligor | blender has a sequencer too actually |
| 22:40.46 | Cowclops | yeah, i have premiere pro 2 |
| 22:40.50 | jetscreamer | avidemux is great for simple editing and encoding |
| 22:40.55 | eeccho | would't wine cope with that, btw? ) |
| 22:41.03 | jetscreamer | splicing & dicing |
| 22:41.03 | Cowclops | i worked for avid but actually it was a co-op job (basically paid internship where you do actual work besides getting people coffee) |
| 22:41.06 | eeccho | with premiere, i mean |
| 22:41.25 | Ward1983 | if you need to make effects etc on parts of video then veejay is really, really, really nice too |
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| 22:41.32 | Ward1983 | but its more made for live situations |
| 22:41.35 | jetscreamer | i never even was able to get started with cinelerra |
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| 22:42.02 | Cowclops | i never really used avid stuff for a big project because i just like premiere better, heh |
| 22:42.12 | Cowclops | for one thing, premiere works better with arbitrary video formats |
| 22:42.25 | Cowclops | media composer needs it all to be converted to its native format BEFORE you edit |
| 22:42.32 | Ward1983 | Cowclops, but its SOOOOOOOOOOOOO expensive |
| 22:42.36 | eeccho | Cowclops, try launching it with wine |
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| 22:42.53 | Cowclops | i don't use wine, heh |
| 22:42.55 | Ward1983 | Cowclops, i dont even WANT to buy it because its a rediculess amount |
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| 22:43.04 | Cowclops | ward, what, avid media composer? |
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| 22:43.11 | Ward1983 | Cowclops, premiere pro |
| 22:43.14 | Cowclops | Its $20,0000 for that because its their "top end solution" |
| 22:43.24 | Cowclops | well, film composer is the top of the line but ti doesn't matter |
| 22:43.31 | eeccho | at least, i run jescola buzz with it successfully ) |
| 22:43.33 | Cowclops | lol, premiere pro is way cheaper |
| 22:43.36 | Cowclops | its like $500 |
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| 22:43.53 | Ward1983 | Cowclops, yes and thats A TON of money for people that are not insanely rich |
| 22:44.23 | Cowclops | Its not a ton of money for people who earn their living producing video |
| 22:44.34 | Cowclops | when you have a $10,000 camera, a $500 piece of software isn't a big deal |
| 22:44.44 | simonrvn | wonders when gcc 4.3 got installed... |
| 22:44.48 | Cowclops | a $10,000 camera that takes tapes that cost $50 each, lol |
| 22:45.06 | Ward1983 | why would you need a camera that expensive... |
| 22:45.17 | Cowclops | Dynamic range and sharpness |
| 22:45.21 | simonrvn | wonders why this matters |
| 22:45.23 | Cowclops | And optics |
| 22:45.29 | Ward1983 | sharpness lol |
| 22:45.41 | jetscreamer | hd quality? |
| 22:45.43 | eeccho | Ward1983, sharpness matters |
| 22:45.45 | Cowclops | haha |
| 22:45.47 | jetscreamer | that would cost |
| 22:45.51 | Ward1983 | hd would be the only valid reason imo |
| 22:45.56 | Cowclops | $10,000 didn't get you a legit HD camera until VERY recently |
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| 22:46.01 | jetscreamer | hence 'sharpness' |
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| 22:46.08 | Cowclops | Nope |
| 22:46.12 | Cowclops | Mostly dynamic range though |
| 22:46.12 | jetscreamer | no? |
| 22:46.12 | Ward1983 | eeccho, offcourse it mqtthers but i know much cheaper stuff thats sharp too |
| 22:46.16 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 22:46.21 | Cowclops | Bigger sensors = more support in low light situations |
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| 22:46.24 | eeccho | Ward1983, a knife? ) |
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| 22:46.38 | Ward1983 | eeccho, lol |
| 22:46.40 | Cowclops | consumer handicams these days have a single 1/6" sensor (though 1/4" used to be the norm, they've now gotten smaller) |
| 22:46.44 | jetscreamer | an exacto knofe |
| 22:46.51 | Cowclops | higher end prosumer cameras might have 3 1/3" sensors |
| 22:47.02 | Cowclops | a $10,000 camera gets you 2/3" sensors and thats not even where it tops out |
| 22:47.34 | Cowclops | basically, the bigger your sensors are, the better the overall picture quality will be (assuming optical quality is scaled up to match, and optics are expensive) |
| 22:47.42 | Ward1983 | Cowclops, i know but what i mean to say is not everyone who makes videos has or needs a 10000 dollar camera |
| 22:47.54 | Ward1983 | and elements doesnt really cut it |
| 22:48.00 | simonrvn | good optics are expensive |
| 22:48.16 | eeccho | it's like 'good' cable, yep |
| 22:48.30 | Cowclops | Sort of, but theres not much difference between a "good" cable and an "ok" cable |
| 22:48.33 | Cowclops | good cables are cheap |
| 22:48.42 | Cowclops | good lenses are insanely expensive |
| 22:48.50 | Cowclops | especially ones with a video-friendly zoom range |
| 22:49.00 | Cowclops | like if you want a 5-100mm lens thats sharp at f/1.8 |
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| 22:49.12 | Cowclops | "sharp enough for standard def video" anyway |
| 22:49.22 | Ward1983 | HD sucks anyway |
| 22:49.23 | Cowclops | for a 1/3" camera, thats like a $2000 lens right there |
| 22:49.27 | Cowclops | HD "sucks?" |
| 22:49.29 | Ward1983 | yes |
| 22:49.31 | eeccho | when you buy 10 meters of super-dooper-mega golden cable, you expect to transmit the best signal in the world, but when a dozen of people were tested to hear a difference, they couldn't tell it |
| 22:49.34 | Cowclops | Theres no opinion to hold about it |
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| 22:49.37 | Cowclops | its just higher resolution. |
| 22:49.39 | Ward1983 | even MORE expensive ! |
| 22:49.51 | Ward1983 | yep but it sucks because its even MORE expensive |
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| 22:50.06 | simonrvn | simply because to get a) a good even curvature b) materials |
| 22:50.12 | Cowclops | and a sony pd-170 costs more than grandma's handicam from 1997. |
| 22:50.21 | simonrvn | is very hard, and costly |
| 22:50.23 | Cowclops | (not that a pd-170 costs $10,000) |
| 22:50.33 | simonrvn | gold isn't the best conductor, so i don't know where you get off saying that sort of thing ;) |
| 22:50.38 | Cowclops | To say something sucks because it costs more is stupid |
| 22:50.49 | simonrvn | (lagging) |
| 22:51.09 | eeccho | guys, we're not on #cam-i-would-never-own , right ) |
| 22:51.10 | Ward1983 | Cowclops, thank you |
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| 22:51.20 | Cowclops | ... |
| 22:51.40 | simonrvn | they use gold because it doesn't oxidise as easily as silver, which is a better conductor |
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| 22:52.34 | eeccho | simonrvn, they could put the whole device into a vacuum ) |
| 22:52.36 | simonrvn | so, you'd use gold on the ends, but not the whole cable, and that, plated. the plating thickness would matter too |
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| 22:52.59 | simonrvn | rolls eyes |
| 22:53.23 | eeccho | anyway, this cam buzz costs nothing |
| 22:53.44 | simonrvn | no one was asking questions, so it's ok |
| 22:54.02 | simonrvn | er, on-topic quesitons ;) |
| 22:54.05 | simonrvn | questions* |
| 22:54.06 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 22:54.11 | eeccho | eheh |
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| 22:54.30 | Ward1983 | ill start with a question :p |
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| 22:54.37 | Ward1983 | is it possible to patch debian im running on my pda to use EABI? |
| 22:54.47 | eeccho | man, would amarok finish building the collection till this morning... |
| 22:55.36 | eeccho | i feel guilty about teaching it with last.fm ) |
| 22:55.48 | simonrvn | Ward1983: i'd ask the package people that, actually. i'm not sure what that is, but i'm assuming it's a userspace binary patch, rather than kernel? |
| 22:56.34 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, im not sure either thats why im qsking, but EABI info is here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
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| 22:58.35 | simonrvn | sounds like userspace |
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| 22:59.33 | nebnav | does anyone know the command for displaying available wireless networks? procfs something, maybe? |
| 22:59.38 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, whats the difference and how do i apply those patches? |
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| 22:59.58 | ricosecada | Hi, how do I load the softdog kernel module? |
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| 23:00.15 | eeccho | ricosecada, modprobe |
| 23:00.24 | simonrvn | Ward1983: heh, it's not exactly a newbie thing ;). seems it'll eventually make its way into lenny arm anyway |
| 23:01.14 | simonrvn | Ward1983: there's kernel stuff too |
| 23:01.21 | ricosecada | eeccho, thanks! |
| 23:01.33 | eeccho | np |
| 23:01.52 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, i am a noob but i use linux for 2 years now and im allways willing to learn, only i dunno how i can learn that stuff |
| 23:02.03 | simonrvn | Ward1983: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto describes it more |
| 23:02.50 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, will read that one, i didnt see it before |
| 23:02.53 | Ward1983 | thanx |
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| 23:03.02 | Ward1983 | brb, smoketime :) |
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| 23:03.08 | simonrvn | it's one of the top 2 links on the page you gave me ;) |
| 23:03.32 | eeccho | Ward1983, you should've quit... *puff* |
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| 23:05.16 | Igneous | is upset he can't solve his problem. |
| 23:05.32 | eeccho | Igneous, share it with us |
| 23:05.42 | Igneous | I have, three times |
| 23:05.51 | Igneous | "ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [dbb4fdec] 'on' " spams my kernlog, dmesg, and even my console (not xterm/aterm etc, but if X isn't running, I get spammed, and it's hard to tell wtf I'm doing). If i can just make it quit, that'd be fine.. Stopping acpid doesn't fix the problem.. |
| 23:06.30 | streuner_ | ACPI sucks sometimes much |
| 23:06.42 | eeccho | Igneous, try to switch off cooler control in bios |
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| 23:06.57 | Igneous | i've even "apt-get remove acpi acpid" and it still gets me |
| 23:07.04 | Igneous | I have no idea how this is happening |
| 23:07.07 | Supaplex | sudo setterm -msglevel 1 might help |
| 23:07.36 | Igneous | will it prevent it from spamming dmesg and the kernlog? |
| 23:07.48 | Igneous | it'd like it to stfu everywhere, not just the console |
| 23:07.52 | Supaplex | it should stop it from spamming your screen |
| 23:08.10 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 23:08.19 | eeccho | Igneous, that's kernel, which reports hardware-and-a-little-above only, so you should change bios settings |
| 23:08.30 | Igneous | every 5 seconds it writes that line to my kernlog and dmseg.. If i leave my computer up for an hour, I can't even read the dmesg becasue the scrollback buffer is filled |
| 23:09.00 | Mazingaro | please i got this error after update (debian lenny): amule: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk-2.4.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 23:10.03 | lbt | anyone got a broadcom 4306 wifi working with wpa_supplicant and the b43legacy driver? |
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| 23:10.10 | wayneward_ | kmldonkey and mldonkey server is better :-) |
| 23:10.13 | eeccho | i wonder why people would use lenny... |
| 23:10.23 | wayneward_ | i use lenny!! |
| 23:10.41 | dmilith | eeccho: why? |
| 23:10.47 | Igneous | is lenny the unstable debian? like.. 5.0? |
| 23:10.51 | Igneous | or is that sid.. |
| 23:10.54 | dmilith | i'm using sid but lenny is ok too |
| 23:10.56 | eeccho | it's unstable |
| 23:10.58 | streuner_ | !lenny |
| 23:10.59 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
| 23:11.03 | Igneous | ah |
| 23:11.18 | Gryfelhase | What is the latest lenny-kernel? |
| 23:11.18 | Igneous | !woody |
| 23:11.19 | dpkg | [woody] the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
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| 23:11.37 | eeccho | woody turned sid |
| 23:11.42 | streuner_ | Gryfelhase: use pdo (packages.debian.org) |
| 23:11.59 | Igneous | lol, I can't help but laugh at that name.. |
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| 23:12.19 | Igneous | "I have a huge woody install" |
| 23:12.19 | eeccho | Igneous, a couple of million people did the same ) |
| 23:12.31 | Igneous | perhaps why they changed the name? |
| 23:12.43 | foncused1 | heh |
| 23:12.45 | jim | what name did they change? |
| 23:12.57 | Supaplex | Igneous: those messages are generated from the 'thermal' module. drivers/acpi/thermal.c |
| 23:13.02 | foncused1 | got wood? |
| 23:13.07 | eeccho | Igneous, debian releases use toys' names from 'toy story' |
| 23:13.31 | jim | Igneous: did they change a name? |
| 23:13.31 | Igneous | I know |
| 23:14.14 | Igneous | didn't the the dev's wife like toystory? |
| 23:14.30 | jim | dunno |
| 23:14.49 | jim | I'm still trying to find out what name (if any) got changed |
| 23:15.02 | eeccho | sarge -> etch |
| 23:15.17 | Igneous | woody to sid |
| 23:15.19 | Igneous | 3.0 to 3.1 |
| 23:15.51 | jim | that's not just a name change, that's the "codename" for that version |
| 23:15.52 | eeccho | Igneous, sid was unstable 3.1 ) |
| 23:16.08 | jim | sid doesn't have a version number |
| 23:16.18 | jim | and is always unstable |
| 23:16.29 | eeccho | oh... |
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| 23:16.35 | Supaplex | Igneous: head /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/* might tell you more |
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| 23:17.15 | jim | sid will always be available..... but never be "released" |
| 23:17.37 | Igneous | head: error reading `/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/': Is a directory |
| 23:17.37 | eeccho | right. i was mistaken |
| 23:17.39 | Igneous | oh my bad |
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| 23:18.59 | Igneous | Has anyone heard of Sidux? http://sidux.com/ |
| 23:19.09 | Igneous | I'm considering testing it out |
| 23:19.18 | Supaplex | !sidux |
| 23:19.19 | dpkg | well, sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ irc.oftc.net. See also <based on Debian caveats>. |
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| 23:19.42 | eeccho | sounds like ubuntu |
| 23:20.04 | jim | if you have the hd space you can make a chroot |
| 23:20.30 | Supaplex | vserver > chroot :) |
| 23:20.34 | Cowclops | chpwned |
| 23:20.45 | jim | then test all you want |
| 23:20.55 | Igneous | I like debian alot on my servers, but I've never felt the urge to use it as a desktop |
| 23:21.02 | simonrvn | Supaplex: so the vserver is cool then eh? |
| 23:21.06 | simonrvn | a lot |
| 23:21.13 | eeccho | jim, chroot wouldn't help with loading kernel |
| 23:21.19 | wayneward_ | debain desktop cooooool |
| 23:21.29 | jim | he needs a different kernel? |
| 23:21.34 | wayneward_ | its very responsive very very fast!!! lol |
| 23:21.40 | Supaplex | simonrvn: It's more efficent than xen, and all processes use the same running kernel. |
| 23:22.09 | eeccho | jim, since sidux is another os, then yes |
| 23:22.23 | Igneous | wayneward_: if you've ever used gentoo as a desktop, it's crazy fast as well.. It performs alot better for gaming as well.. I've done the fps tests myself |
| 23:22.25 | jim | it is? |
| 23:22.44 | wayneward_ | i used to use gentoo on my servers and desktop |
| 23:22.45 | streuner_ | !gentoosmite Igenous |
| 23:22.45 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling Igenous, and when it's all done, Igenous runs 0.1% faster than previously |
| 23:22.46 | jim | are you really sure it needs its own kernel? |
| 23:22.53 | Cowclops | hahahaha |
| 23:22.55 | Cowclops | good call |
| 23:23.01 | Igneous | lol |
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| 23:23.06 | eeccho | jim, i'm now not that sure... ) |
| 23:23.16 | wayneward_ | but it used to break to easy - i agrree its very fast but a bit more breakable than debian |
| 23:23.18 | Cowclops | theres so much stuff that theres absolutely no need to recompile on a specific computer basis |
| 23:23.19 | bolt | goes to have a smoke in the 0.1% time spared |
| 23:23.31 | jim | eeccho: look at it this way... |
| 23:23.40 | wayneward_ | im using debian studio 64 kernel it eats my old gentoo installl!! |
| 23:23.44 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.44 | Igneous | no but it wasn't .1% faster.. it was more like 40fps in Counterstrike under wine.. and then 250fps in counterstrike under wine.. and 60fps in warsow in debian, and then 300fps in warsow in gentoo |
| 23:23.52 | eeccho | jim, it's all redhat and derivatives... ) |
| 23:23.57 | Igneous | there was quite a difference |
| 23:24.12 | stew | if you guy's want to compare linux distro's, please do it in ##linux, not here, this is meant to be a support channel |
| 23:24.19 | wayneward_ | er which driver did you use on debain fr the nvidia?? |
| 23:24.30 | Igneous | the propriatary nvidia driver |
| 23:24.36 | eeccho | i use proprietary |
| 23:24.46 | wayneward_ | ah right im using that its V fast |
| 23:24.50 | Supaplex | wayneward_: you're joking about debian studio. right? wth is that? |
| 23:24.52 | simonrvn | Supaplex: neat |
| 23:25.02 | simonrvn | sounds like what i wanted |
| 23:25.04 | wayneward_ | erm studio 64 |
| 23:25.12 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.23 | wayneward_ | i use it for mutli track recording and video editing |
| 23:25.25 | bolt | Igneous: a difference that big is definately _not_ caused by compiling something yourself. something's seriously different in your two setups |
| 23:25.40 | wayneward_ | i add kde 3.5.9 on top of the debain 64 kernel |
| 23:25.46 | wayneward_ | it rocks!!!! |
| 23:25.51 | wayneward_ | game play is serious |
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| 23:25.56 | tuv | does pidgin send the passwords in the clear or does it send a hash? or is it protocol-specific? |
| 23:26.13 | jim | what app do you use to track? |
| 23:26.15 | streuner_ | bolt: dont forget, he used the ultimative magic tric to do that ;-) |
| 23:26.16 | Igneous | bolt: oh yeah, indeed.. I did the test with the gentoo kernel Preempt, and then the normal gentoo kern, and then vanilla.. the scores on glxgears were drasticly different |
| 23:26.18 | eeccho | tuv, it depends on protocol and options |
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| 23:26.31 | tuv | eeccho, what's the case for xmpp/gmail? |
| 23:26.40 | streuner_ | bolt: its prolly a hidden feature in gcc ;-) |
| 23:26.48 | Supaplex | simonrvn: there's also grsec+vserver patches (upstream). even better for chroot security :) My primary server box has about 15 guests running on it. too bad unionfs patches are not playing nice with the -vserver-xen kernel :( (I have opensolaris ready to test as a domU) |
| 23:26.53 | bolt | streuner_: yeah. --optimize-game-fps |
| 23:26.58 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 23:27.18 | eeccho | tuv, it's forced to encrypt connection, otherwise it rejects |
| 23:27.47 | streuner_ | bolt: iam asking myself why people think they need to make videocards faster, better than the default values... |
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| 23:28.20 | Supaplex | streuner_: for the androids of course ;) |
| 23:28.37 | jim | streuner_: to support better and better video games of course |
| 23:28.50 | eeccho | like windows vista |
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| 23:28.56 | eeccho | eheh |
| 23:29.03 | simonrvn | Supaplex: hmm; grsec is a PITA though |
| 23:29.23 | simonrvn | ime |
| 23:29.27 | Igneous | but yeah, indeed, gentoo can be a major pain sometimes.. and it isn't worth the trouble for things like openoffice or a small firefox performance increase.. but it is nice to be able to edit useflags and produce smaller lighter binaries. It's one of the reasons why I like to use debian on my servers, It does exactly what it needs to do.. and it works.. I've never seen a debian box break and screw up beyond belief.. but I can s |
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| 23:30.02 | stew | Igneous: please keep it on-topic |
| 23:30.29 | Supaplex | simonrvn: I agree. grsec won't even play with usermode linux. (at the guest level). :`( |
| 23:30.34 | wayneward_ | yes thats why i moved to debain it roks!!! sorry!! carry on ill keep to topic!! |
| 23:30.42 | Igneous | stew: It kinda was when I started typing it.. |
| 23:30.45 | simonrvn | icky |
| 23:30.52 | simonrvn | !debain |
| 23:30.52 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 23:31.00 | Supaplex | hahaha |
| 23:31.21 | jim | No Pain, No Ain! |
| 23:31.28 | streuner_ | Igneous: the only thing which sucks on my desktop PC is the propiertary flash stuff, its going 100 percent, please keep in mind its NOT a Debian package... |
| 23:31.49 | Supaplex | !lart non-free |
| 23:31.50 | dpkg | gives non-free a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 23:32.15 | Supaplex | but downgrades to future versions are free? wth? ;) |
| 23:32.17 | eeccho | Igneous, anything could put other things into mess, but that all relies, merely, on a lining between a chair and a keyboard ) |
| 23:32.31 | mindheavy | do i need a network manager or can i use commands to connect to a wireless network that shows up in 'iwlist' |
| 23:32.34 | jim | let's downgrade to a future version! |
| 23:32.46 | Supaplex | jim: they call that vista |
| 23:33.02 | simonrvn | hastalavista |
| 23:33.09 | Igneous | Hey, I mentioned before I'm getting a G4.. I was wondering.. has anyone been able to hack flash to work somehow? I've read about some open source versions of flash.. so I might try that.. but if anyone has any first-hand experience, that would help me out. |
| 23:33.11 | streuner_ | baby ;-) |
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| 23:33.24 | streuner_ | evil baby ;-) |
| 23:33.31 | Supaplex | simonrvn: yup. http;//www.goodbye-windows.com/?hastalavista hehhee |
| 23:33.38 | eeccho | Igneous, it uses efi? |
| 23:33.42 | simonrvn | Igneous: considering that adboe flash is binary-only, no. |
| 23:33.47 | simonrvn | adobe even |
| 23:33.54 | wfq | enough,abortman,stew. At the end, my inter G965 worked with debian lenny, vesa and 915Resolution... That looks like cetainly bein permanent :). |
| 23:33.57 | simonrvn | g4? it does not use efi |
| 23:34.12 | eeccho | how so? |
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| 23:34.20 | simonrvn | the inhel macs use efi |
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| 23:34.34 | eeccho | oh, again... |
| 23:34.44 | Supaplex | Igneous: qemu-user, but it'll be s l o w |
| 23:34.50 | Supaplex | (possibly) |
| 23:35.09 | abrotman | wfq: yay! |
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| 23:35.33 | stew | Igneous: there is gnash, which works on some limit subset of flash sites |
| 23:35.39 | stew | ^limit^limited |
| 23:35.46 | eeccho | qemu was showing appropriate fps with tomb raider 2, for me |
| 23:35.49 | simonrvn | i heard it does work on youtube |
| 23:35.49 | wfq | yes, at last. Thank you guys for the support |
| 23:36.06 | simonrvn | they use v7 iirc still |
| 23:36.21 | Supaplex | simonrvn: sid didn't for the last few weeks. I should re-roll another backport and see what happens. |
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| 23:36.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
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| 23:36.48 | s_ | Should I include /dev in my backups? |
| 23:36.50 | simonrvn | ah ok. this was last month iirc |
| 23:36.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm gonna install Debian and WinXP on a new hard drive. I'm just wondering how I should partition it up. |
| 23:36.57 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:36.59 | eeccho | s_, no |
| 23:37.03 | distatica | Has anyone here ever used synclient for their touchpad? On windows I use the bottom right corner as my right click, because the buttons on this trackpad are difficult to push. I was looking at synclient -l and I see RBCornerButton but it's given a numerical value, and I can't really figure out what should go there, and how to use it. |
| 23:37.09 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: 100% debian. ;) |
| 23:37.15 | simonrvn | s_: nor /proc or /sys |
| 23:37.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Supaplex: That's what I've done so far. |
| 23:37.22 | distatica | Searching for synclient +RBCornerButton on google just returns a lot of peoples configs |
| 23:37.23 | eeccho | s_, aswell /mnt, /proc, and /tmp |
| 23:37.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Supaplex: But now I'm replacing the laptop's hard drive. |
| 23:37.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Supaplex: So here's an excuse for me to finally also install Windows - need it for gaming. |
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| 23:37.43 | s_ | How does this look for a backup command, then?: tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys --exclude=/cdrom --exclude=/tmp --exclude=/dev / |
| 23:37.47 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: install windows first, and use goodbye-windows.com for the second install? |
| 23:37.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm.. |
| 23:38.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | I thought I could use Gparted |
| 23:38.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | And install Debian via netinst |
| 23:38.32 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: debian-installer has parted built-in |
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| 23:38.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hm... okay. |
| 23:38.45 | Supaplex | it's very user friendly too |
| 23:38.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'll give it a try, thanks, Supaplex |
| 23:38.51 | eeccho | Dark_Apostrophe, let xp have some harddrive space, then, install debian into the rest |
| 23:39.06 | streuner_ | Dark_Apostrophe: NTFS5? |
| 23:39.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | eeccho: that's what I'd figured... give windows 30gb, and Debian the remaining 220gb. |
| 23:39.36 | eeccho | Dark_Apostrophe, at least windows doesn't deserve more ) |
| 23:39.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | hehe |
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| 23:39.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | I only intend to use it for gaming |
| 23:39.49 | bolt | what kind of language makes it natural to say "debain" and "kernal"? just wondering, since a heck of a lot of people seem to do it, so it must be a major one |
| 23:39.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Debian for everything else |
| 23:40.12 | streuner_ | hm |
| 23:40.54 | eeccho | bolt, uhm... russian? ) |
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| 23:42.31 | jhambo_ | Recomendations for a cheap pci wireless card? |
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| 23:42.47 | Supaplex | jhambo_: atheros (uses foss drivers) |
| 23:42.52 | Supaplex | !madwifi |
| 23:42.52 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5. |
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| 23:43.21 | jhambo_ | Supaplex: thanks |
| 23:43.31 | Supaplex | I'd avoid the zd* stuff (it's a newer gen, some acquiztion or some such) |
| 23:44.02 | Supaplex | has a 200mw 802.11abg atheros cardbus card <3 |
| 23:44.14 | s_ | Is there a way to write to a DVD-RW as if it were just another filesystem on a hdd? |
| 23:44.19 | streuner_ | How could you stop that a wireless nic going down in GNOME after a certain time? |
| 23:44.21 | s_ | Like I could add and remove files on the fly? |
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| 23:44.26 | Supaplex | s_: like packet writing? |
| 23:44.33 | s_ | Yes. |
| 23:44.44 | s_ | Used to have something like that for my CD's a long time ago. |
| 23:44.51 | Supaplex | has yet to investigate that feature |
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| 23:45.40 | mavhc | udf |
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| 23:45.55 | Supaplex | !udf |
| 23:45.55 | dpkg | somebody said udf was at http://www.trylinux.com/projects/udf/index.html, or with tools at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/udf/tools/?cvsroot=linux-udf, or apt-get install udftools. Universal Disk Format, tools for UDF filesystems and DVD/CD-R(W) drives, which is primarily used for DVDs, but sometimes also CD-ROMs, or see also <udf packet writing> |
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| 23:46.16 | Supaplex | ouuu |
| 23:46.19 | Supaplex | !udf packet writing |
| 23:46.19 | dpkg | i heard udf packet writing is http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/patches/packet/ for recent kernels |
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| 23:46.38 | Supaplex | silly bot. 'recent' is obsolete as soon as it's a factoid. ;) |
| 23:46.39 | Igneous | 's power went out |
| 23:46.40 | mavhc | those factoids should really have dates on |
| 23:46.54 | sandman | So UDF will work just fine on DVDs? Great. |
| 23:46.55 | Supaplex | !factinfo udf packet writing |
| 23:46.56 | dpkg | udf packet writing -- created by yazid <tim-iu-yja@p50927F22.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Dec 5 00:35:38 2002 (1935 days); it has been requested 14 times, last by Supaplex, 37s ago. |
| 23:46.58 | sandman | Great++, even. |
| 23:47.08 | Supaplex | haha. 2002. :P |
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| 23:47.51 | Supaplex | packet-2.6.8-2: (2004-09-04) |
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| 23:47.57 | Supaplex | I think it's mainline now. |
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| 23:48.41 | Supaplex | extracts a new 2.6.24 branch |
| 23:49.22 | EtherNet | hello people, I installed modules for my atheros wireless onboard card in a toshiba laptop, when I do ifconfig ath0 up for connect and dhcp, it starts to freeze the machine, it goes slow, mouse doesn't go fast, sometimes it finish freezing, and sometimes it keeps slow... any idea? |
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| 23:49.50 | sandman | Is there an easy way to determine if my DVD-RW Drive supports MRW? |
| 23:49.58 | EtherNet | the way I found for get back working fine again is rmmod ath_pci, remove the module. |
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| 23:50.37 | Supaplex | dpkg: no udf packet writing is in the mainline kernel (see Documentation/cdrom/packet-writing.txt) since about v2.6.8-2: (2004-09-04). see also <udf>. |
| 23:50.37 | dpkg | okay, Supaplex |
| 23:51.03 | LightKnight | I have a problem on shutdown: towards the end, it stops for a while, then shows "Killing all remaining processes...failed" and after some other procedure it gracefully shuts down. What could it be? I have a self-complied 2.6.24.3 kernel. |
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| 23:51.39 | streuner_ | sandman: yes |
| 23:51.47 | eeccho | LightKnight, a zombie process |
| 23:51.53 | Supaplex | LightKnight: new code can bring new bugs. does an etch kernel do the same? |
| 23:52.08 | LightKnight | eeccho: uhm, thanks, I'll investigate that. |
| 23:52.26 | sandman | streuner_: lol |
| 23:52.27 | LightKnight | Supaplex: not yet, but I was almost thinking about it, thanks :) |
| 23:52.39 | eeccho | LightKnight, which is blocking an i/o queue |
| 23:52.43 | LightKnight | Supaplex: not *tried* yet... |
| 23:52.43 | sandman | streuner_: Might I ask if you'd be so kind as to share that information with me? =) |
| 23:52.53 | sandman | Actually, first, I'll try to figure it out. |
| 23:52.56 | sandman | I'll let you know if I fail =) |
| 23:53.10 | WormFood | aarrgghh!!! how do I fix this error ---> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/djvu/osi/cs/messages.xml', which is also in package libdjvulibre15 |
| 23:53.15 | streuner_ | !info qpxtool |
| 23:53.16 | Supaplex | LightKnight: okay. no worries. it's always nice to know. |
| 23:53.28 | LightKnight | :) |
| 23:53.38 | Supaplex | WormFood: ECONTEXT. you're installing what? what debian release? |
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| 23:53.48 | dpkg | qpxtool: (CD/DVD quality checker), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 0.6.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 345 kB, Installed size: 1280 kB |
| 23:54.07 | WormFood | Supaplex, sid...it is a dependancy for another package...I don't know what depends on it |
| 23:54.32 | itchi | WormFood: Check the reportbug, the fix is noted there |
| 23:54.38 | Supaplex | WormFood: anything in bts about them? btw, sid users should be using apt-file to answer that question :) |
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| 23:54.58 | WormFood | I'm not familiar with apt-file |
| 23:55.07 | WormFood | goes and reads |
| 23:55.20 | Supaplex | pats dpkg, there there, no btssmite yet... :) |
| 23:55.21 | streuner_ | EtherNet: what chipset? |
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| 23:55.53 | LightKnight | WormFood: apt-file search <string> :) |
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| 23:56.34 | simonrvn | apt-file update first ;) |
| 23:56.38 | WormFood | apt-file? not apt-cache? |
| 23:56.50 | LightKnight | simonrvn: uh, right :) |
| 23:57.09 | WormFood | there is no "apt-file" on my system that I see (at least not in the normal executable directories) |
| 23:57.11 | EtherNet | streuner_, Atheros AR5004G wireless card |
| 23:57.27 | Supaplex | !installit |
| 23:57.27 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 23:57.31 | JoeShmo | apt-get install apt-file |
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| 23:57.40 | LightKnight | WormFood: then you haven't it installed. |
| 23:57.53 | Supaplex | WormFood: Are you ill with shiney new software syndrome? |
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| 23:58.07 | LightKnight | WormFood: to know which package a file you have on your system belongs to, you can use "dpkg -S" as well :-) |
| 23:58.18 | Supaplex | LightKnight: that's *if* it's installed |
| 23:58.34 | WormFood | yeah, but it won't let me install apt-file because libdjvulibre21 is broken |
| 23:58.45 | Supaplex | apt-file will cover all installed+uninstalled packages for said files. |
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| 23:58.47 | itchi | JoeShmo: Do a self upgrade and use aptitude |
| 23:58.49 | LightKnight | Supaplex: yes, that was the "you have on your system" part :-) |
| 23:59.07 | JoeShmo | why would I want to upgrade myself? |
| 23:59.35 | itchi | JoeShmo: Because you still use apt-get install foo, you should instead use aptitude install foo |
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| 23:59.51 | JoeShmo | other than my Xorg cpu usage kreeping up until I kill and restart xcompmgr.. thats the only issue I seem to have now... |
