| 00:00.09 | JoeShmo | why? |
| 00:00.27 | JoeShmo | aptitude has a silly menu... |
| 00:00.32 | itchi | !why aptitude |
| 00:00.33 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 00:00.47 | Supaplex | JoeShmo: it's cli based too. I never have to use the menu/tui |
| 00:00.51 | eeccho | JoeShmo, you would love beryl |
| 00:01.08 | streuner_ | EtherNet: and that nic doesnt work at all? |
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| 00:02.11 | EtherNet | streuner_, maybe it works for 1 minute or less and freezes the machine. |
| 00:02.15 | JoeShmo | beryl.. isnt that the thing you use if you need to get rid of cpu/memory, if you have too much? |
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| 00:03.08 | streuner_ | EtherNet: "Notes:Should work with madwifi-old-openhal but not tested.." |
| 00:03.41 | EtherNet | streuner_, what does it mean? I used madwifi (the latest one I think) |
| 00:04.14 | LightKnight | WormFood: try this: dpkg --force-all -P libdjvulibre15 |
| 00:04.23 | Supaplex | jhambo_: to be more complete with your wireless nic question, /query dpkg and ask about laptop, and hcl. |
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| 00:05.05 | streuner_ | EtherNet: Did you ask #madwifi about? |
| 00:05.20 | EtherNet | streuner_, I didn-t know there is a channel called... I will do now |
| 00:05.35 | stew | WormFood: don't use --force anything, show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:05.39 | WormFood | thanks LightKnight, that is what I needed (because the "fix" on the bug page didn't work) |
| 00:05.48 | streuner_ | #madwifi 77 MadWiFi (Atheros on Linux) project channel |
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| 00:06.05 | LightKnight | WormFood: run aptitude to fix any broken dependency :) |
| 00:06.10 | stew | if you are having to --force things, you are probably doing something else wrong |
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| 00:06.44 | WormFood | but if I can't get it fixed the "right" way, then I have no choice but to force it :P |
| 00:07.20 | stew | or show us what is wrong and have us help you |
| 00:07.46 | WormFood | you guys did help... LightKnight gave me the fix |
| 00:07.56 | itchi | WormFood: There are different ways to break somethings ;-) |
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| 00:08.30 | WormFood | I understand apt/dpkg is sorta like windows....it tries to protect me from myself....so if I know what is going on, and I know how to fix it, then sometimes I need to force it |
| 00:08.49 | stew | WormFood: no, if you need to force anything, you are doing sometihng wrong |
| 00:08.58 | stew | WormFood: apt/dpkg is not sorta like windows |
| 00:09.19 | WormFood | yes, you're right...what I did wrong was "apt-get dist-upgrade"...that is what caused it to break in the first place |
| 00:09.26 | Supaplex | WormFood: force is generally an indication of a broken package to begin with. you have to be very cautious about it. don't use it because you're tired of an error. |
| 00:09.48 | stew | WormFood: that isn't what you did wrong. are you trying to mix two different releases of debian? |
| 00:09.51 | WormFood | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471650#10 <-- this is my problem...my output was exactly like that |
| 00:10.03 | WormFood | I'm trying to upgrade sid |
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| 00:10.34 | WormFood | Supaplex, I understand what I am doing and I understand how force fixed it...I don't go around randomly forcing stuff like that |
| 00:10.42 | Supaplex | good :) |
| 00:10.51 | itchi | WormFood: Did you try #15 ? |
| 00:10.54 | WormFood | yes, I try to avoid forcing stuff, but in this case the pacakge is broken |
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| 00:10.56 | WormFood | yes itchi |
| 00:11.04 | WormFood | and it did not work |
| 00:11.29 | itchi | WormFood: Sure you did that correctly? If yes, report it that it don't fixed it |
| 00:11.34 | WormFood | which is why I had to force it...I could think of no other way than to force it |
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| 00:11.44 | WormFood | yes I'm sure I did it correctly |
| 00:12.01 | itchi | WormFood: As root user? |
| 00:12.04 | WormFood | I mean, how hard is it to copy/paste a command line someone else typed in :P |
| 00:12.07 | WormFood | sighs |
| 00:12.12 | WormFood | of course as a root user |
| 00:12.16 | WormFood | I'm not a noob |
| 00:12.26 | itchi | Well, as is not root, that could be. |
| 00:12.31 | itchi | WormFood: Ok, report it then |
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| 00:12.44 | WormFood | I've been running Linux since 1995 |
| 00:12.45 | sandman | Hrm. My drive doesn't appear to support Mount Rainier. |
| 00:12.49 | sandman | I suppose that leaves me with UDF |
| 00:12.51 | sandman | =) |
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| 00:13.27 | WormFood | I'm sure that "fix" works for some users, but not in my specific case |
| 00:13.51 | wald0 | how i do a search with "apt-cache search" using the TAGs ? |
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| 00:13.53 | itchi | WormFood: If you have the same problem, it should not work for some and not for you |
| 00:14.03 | wald0 | the tags of the packages |
| 00:14.43 | itchi | wald0: You want aptitude |
| 00:14.55 | wald0 | itchi: i can do it in a command ? |
| 00:14.55 | stew | wald0: use ept-cache search |
| 00:15.33 | itchi | wald0: There's a Categorical Browser in aptitude |
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| 00:15.35 | stew | wald0: or yeah, use ~G with aptitude search |
| 00:16.03 | WormFood | beats me, I have no idea why it works for some and not others |
| 00:16.42 | wald0 | stew: i think that i could use ept-cache :) thx. What I need is to list in a script, all the modules/drivers source packages |
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| 00:18.59 | mohamed_ | i installed debian from netinstall cd how can i see files in colors, e.g i need to know sh files from others |
| 00:19.12 | subsume | ivman is hanging forever when I apt-get install -f |
| 00:19.34 | subsume | Startinv ivman: manager.c: 1387 (do_startup_configure) Directory /etc/ivman will be used for configuration files |
| 00:19.37 | subsume | and then blinking terminal |
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| 00:20.22 | stew | subsume: can you run "ivman --nofork --debug" from the command line, and show me the output? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:20.38 | stew | subsume: does /etc/ivman contain 4 files? |
| 00:20.49 | subsume | stew yes to your second q |
| 00:21.30 | stew | is actually working on a new ivman package as we speak |
| 00:21.40 | stew | and as we wait for these potatoes to finally roast |
| 00:22.07 | subsume | hmm |
| 00:22.11 | subsume | that command hung |
| 00:22.14 | subsume | but before it did.... |
| 00:22.17 | stew | mohamed_: there is an ls alias in ~/.bashrc you can uncomment |
| 00:22.32 | subsume | shoot |
| 00:22.34 | subsume | no connection on the box |
| 00:22.37 | mohamed_ | thx stew |
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| 00:23.33 | subsume | manager.c 259 ( set mount command ) no mount command was specified in ivmconfigbase.xml. Ivman will try to auto detect the command to use. If it can't, first make sure the programs are in the PATH, then report as bug. |
| 00:23.44 | subsume | gnome-mount detection skipped, as we are a root instance of Ivman.... |
| 00:24.05 | subsume | and then pmount accepts -u, then pmount was found on your sys. then Running: echo 0 > /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/lock *hang* |
| 00:24.36 | Gnu_Raiz | I just did a ifdown and it did not kick me off the network! |
| 00:24.58 | subsume | stew: ^ |
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| 00:25.11 | Gnu_Raiz | it was followed by an ifconfig but still I did not have network for a few seconds. |
| 00:25.27 | stew | subsume: is dbus-daemon running? |
| 00:25.29 | Gnu_Raiz | had to change the mtu for my dsl. |
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| 00:25.50 | itchi | Gnu_Raiz: remove the power cable, it will "work" then ;-) |
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| 00:26.19 | Gnu_Raiz | I was surprised thats all, I thought freenode was fast. |
| 00:26.31 | subsume | stew yes, but it gives me errors 'Unknown group powerdev...' and 'plugdev' |
| 00:26.34 | Gnu_Raiz | I was afraid I was going to have to relog in. |
| 00:26.36 | subsume | and avahi |
| 00:26.50 | stew | subsume: wait, what gives you those errors? |
| 00:26.57 | Gnu_Raiz | itchi: wouldn't work anyway as I have a usps. |
| 00:27.06 | subsume | stew: starting dbus... (I am not sure if it was stopped, but it started without warning) |
| 00:27.08 | Gnu_Raiz | I would have to wait for he battery to die. |
| 00:27.20 | itchi | Gnu_Raiz: The power cable is connected on the ups ;-) So without power cable, no ups :-) |
| 00:27.25 | subsume | stew: it must not have been running |
| 00:27.31 | stew | subsume: try ivman again |
| 00:27.52 | Gnu_Raiz | I thought you were saying to unplug the ups power supply. |
| 00:27.55 | stew | subsume: (i'm looking at the sourcecode, right after echo 0 > /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/lock, the next thing it does is to try contacting dbus) |
| 00:28.14 | subsume | stew: everything looks good. cool! |
| 00:28.37 | itchi | Gnu_Raiz: You just got some lags, after some time, it time outs and you are out of the freenode network |
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| 00:28.57 | stew | subsume: can you do me a favor and report this bug? run 'reportbug ivman' and create a priority 'normal' bug that says 'ivman hangs if dbus isn't started' ? |
| 00:29.05 | Gnu_Raiz | this time it's in my favor, |
| 00:29.10 | Gnu_Raiz | got to like it. |
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| 00:29.19 | subsume | stew: I would be glad to. |
| 00:29.41 | stew | subsume: awesome, thanks, i'll try to fix the bug tonight and upload this week |
| 00:29.50 | subsume | stew: as long as you don't tell my dirty secret |
| 00:30.00 | subsume | =) |
| 00:30.11 | stew | subsume: i don't know your dirty secret to tell |
| 00:30.15 | subsume | heh. |
| 00:30.19 | subsume | you will. |
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| 00:30.34 | stew | subsume: is this report going to end up saying that this was found in 0.14-5.ubuntu0 ? |
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| 00:31.03 | Supaplex | hummm I wonder if vlans are fcsking with me |
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| 00:34.44 | stew | try now |
| 00:34.51 | stew | uhh, EWINDOW |
| 00:35.16 | icesword | stew, |
| 00:35.49 | icesword | what is ewindow |
| 00:36.23 | stew | icesword: ERROR, i typed that into the wrong window |
| 00:36.39 | icesword | ohhh |
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| 00:44.04 | Igneous | aside from thttpd or lighttpd, are there any other good lightweight http servers? |
| 00:44.15 | Igneous | just for serving static html |
| 00:45.05 | stew | Igneous: "apt-cache showpkg httpd" will show you all the web servers |
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| 00:45.16 | stew | Igneous: (in the "reverse provides" section) |
| 00:45.33 | Igneous | yeah i've done that.. I was just asking for personal experience |
| 00:45.38 | Igneous | i hear nginx is kinda good |
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| 00:46.42 | FearedBliss | hello |
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| 00:46.57 | FearedBliss | i was wondering does Debian Etch 4.0r3 have WPA support out of the box for Original Airport card ? |
| 00:47.38 | stew | FearedBliss: "Original Airport" is an orinoco, right? |
| 00:47.41 | FearedBliss | yea |
| 00:47.51 | stew | FearedBliss: what does "out of the box" mean? |
| 00:47.56 | FearedBliss | once i install debian |
| 00:48.04 | FearedBliss | i can connect using WPA encryption |
| 00:48.21 | wayneward_ | i think u may have to apt-get that!!! |
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| 00:48.31 | FearedBliss | wpa_supplicant is not the answr |
| 00:48.33 | stew | FearedBliss: it can once you've installed the wpa_supplicant and wireless-tools packages |
| 00:48.40 | stew | FearedBliss: that is the answer |
| 00:48.47 | FearedBliss | alright ill try that |
| 00:48.48 | FearedBliss | also |
| 00:48.57 | FearedBliss | i installed network-manager-gnome |
| 00:49.03 | FearedBliss | but i cant open it using that same command |
| 00:49.05 | FearedBliss | i use IceWM |
| 00:49.14 | stew | FearedBliss: 'nm-applet' is the command |
| 00:49.23 | Igneous | IceWM is god, I love you |
| 00:49.28 | FearedBliss | lol |
| 00:49.36 | FearedBliss | im still learning how to customize it |
| 00:49.44 | FearedBliss | thanks stew |
| 00:50.03 | wayneward_ | just install kde its easier to configure!!!! |
| 00:50.27 | Igneous | wayneward_: some people don't want their wm to use 100mb of ram |
| 00:50.36 | wayneward_ | wlassassistant is easy |
| 00:50.38 | wayneward_ | ah |
| 00:50.42 | wayneward_ | i see!!! |
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| 00:50.51 | wayneward_ | yes very good 4 that! |
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| 00:51.04 | Igneous | Openbox is my current wm of choice, and sometimes ratpoison, depending on my mood.. But back when I used to use mandrake and suse, I used to use IceWM.. I dunno why I stopped. |
| 00:51.24 | Igneous | Openbox + Pypanel is hella sexy |
| 00:51.41 | LightKnight | I use fbpanel :) |
| 00:51.46 | trentg | Anyone know how much space build-essential and g++ and x headers take up? |
| 00:51.53 | wayneward_ | have you used enlightenment |
| 00:52.17 | wayneward_ | very light!! |
| 00:52.22 | Igneous | enlightenment is ok, but it's still kinda beefy and unessicary for my tastes |
| 00:52.30 | Supaplex | !start a wm war |
| 00:52.30 | dpkg | KDE bites! |
| 00:52.40 | Igneous | agreed |
| 00:52.40 | stew | kde isn't even a window manager |
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| 00:52.54 | Igneous | !openbox |
| 00:52.54 | dpkg | openbox is probably blackbox, but leeter. http://www.openbox.org, or better than fluxbox. http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox |
| 00:52.57 | wayneward_ | kdm + kde!! |
| 00:53.07 | Igneous | hahah awesome, dpkg rules |
| 00:53.18 | Supaplex | uses openbox |
| 00:53.25 | wayneward_ | tried apt-build !! |
| 00:53.28 | Igneous | highfives Supaplex |
| 00:53.46 | Supaplex | I back ported the sid version. I have an open bug on the etch version |
| 00:53.53 | Igneous | even on my windows box I use bbclean (a blackbox clone) |
| 00:54.19 | wayneward_ | uuurrr doze wayne shivers |
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| 00:55.59 | FearedBliss | i left ubuntu |
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| 00:56.02 | FearedBliss | its way 2 bloated now |
| 00:56.19 | Igneous | wonder what dpkg has to say about ubuntu |
| 00:56.21 | Igneous | !ubuntu |
| 00:56.21 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 00:56.48 | Igneous | was expecting "Ubuntu: swahili for 'Can't configure debian'" |
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| 00:57.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | haha |
| 00:57.07 | FearedBliss | do you recommend that i install xserver-xorg-dev on my ibook g3 ? |
| 00:57.10 | FearedBliss | or should i go -core ? |
| 00:57.25 | FearedBliss | i usually do this : xserver-xorg-dev xorg icewm |
| 00:57.48 | Igneous | aah, I'm getting a g3 tomorrow.. I wish I could help |
| 00:57.58 | DelLo_ | ehi... |
| 00:58.01 | stew | FearedBliss: you only need xserver-xorg-dev if you are planning to write code |
| 00:58.04 | FearedBliss | ibook g3 is awesome |
| 00:58.11 | FearedBliss | no im not planning |
| 00:58.15 | DelLo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.16 | FearedBliss | do i install -core though ? |
| 00:58.25 | stew | FearedBliss: install xorg |
| 00:58.29 | FearedBliss | alright |
| 00:58.31 | DelLo_ | can be on a debian repository.. |
| 00:58.33 | FearedBliss | i usually installed both |
| 00:58.45 | DelLo_ | is this possible? :F |
| 00:58.56 | DelLo_ | in the new version it's all open source |
| 00:59.33 | Supaplex | why would one workstation not ping/tcptraceroute my printer:9100 (no dst unreachable msgs, just no replies), but others do fine? It printed fine last week. All workstations in question have the same routes (a static route w/o need for the router) for the other subnet this printer is in. I printed fine last week. |
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| 01:00.15 | Supaplex | The problematic workstation has no firewall rules, no netfilter/{ip,eab}tables rules/modules loaded. uptime on the workstation is 26 days. the router has no conflicting firewall rules either (though not neccessary to route to, in order to reach the printer with my existing static routes) |
| 01:01.58 | stew | DelLo_: after a very quick glance, it looks suitable for debian, you could file an rfp: '/msg dpkg rfp' or you could try packaging it yourself: /msg dpkg mg |
| 01:01.59 | FearedBliss | any battery management apps for icewm ? |
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| 01:02.47 | Igneous | !rice |
| 01:02.47 | dpkg | from memory, rice is good for you |
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| 01:02.53 | Igneous | haha random |
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| 01:03.23 | distatica | Is festival pretty much the standard when it comes to linux TTS ? |
| 01:03.38 | FearedBliss | lol |
| 01:03.47 | Igneous | FearedBliss: I think I remember hearing something about powersaved.. I don't know if it works on ppc though |
| 01:04.05 | FearedBliss | alright |
| 01:04.24 | Supaplex | reboots his switch, bbiam |
| 01:04.33 | Igneous | apt-cache search battery |
| 01:04.34 | FearedBliss | stew told me that the command for network-manager-gnome is nm-applet |
| 01:04.38 | FearedBliss | how did he find that out ? |
| 01:04.41 | Igneous | perhaps |
| 01:05.00 | FearedBliss | is there a way to check out the command of a application you installed ? |
| 01:05.36 | Supaplex | FearedBliss: huh? dpkg -L <package> will show you all the files that package provides. |
| 01:05.52 | stew | FearedBliss: "dpkg -L packagename" will list files installed by a package, "dpkg -L packagename | grep bin" will tell you which ones are sutable for you to runn |
| 01:06.03 | Igneous | Or you could do it the ghetto way: look in /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/bin, or /usr/local/sbin.. its in one of those normally |
| 01:06.04 | FearedBliss | ahh |
| 01:06.09 | FearedBliss | looks like dpkg is more then what it seems |
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| 01:06.23 | Supaplex | Igneous: yaaa think? :P |
| 01:06.26 | FearedBliss | also i heard aptitude is better then apt-get because it remembers dependencies |
| 01:06.30 | eeccho | dpkg is abyss ) |
| 01:06.43 | blairsooley | guys |
| 01:06.52 | blairsooley | whats a free -good- control panel for debian? |
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| 01:07.01 | Igneous | bash? |
| 01:07.06 | eeccho | blairsooley, yourself ) |
| 01:07.10 | stew | FearedBliss: it is far better at dependency resolution, apt-get also tracks automatically installed packages as of version 0.7 (which is NOT in stable) |
| 01:07.23 | blairsooley | >_> i know that but i wanted to access my server remotely |
| 01:07.31 | Supaplex | blairsooley: ssh |
| 01:07.32 | blairsooley | but i cannot because where im accessing from doesnt allow ssh |
| 01:07.33 | eeccho | blairsooley, ssh |
| 01:07.35 | stew | blairsooley: what do you intend to control |
| 01:07.40 | blairsooley | no downloads |
| 01:07.48 | blairsooley | well i just want to access my server |
| 01:07.52 | blairsooley | like ssh commands |
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| 01:08.18 | FearedBliss | stew, ah thats cool. then that means that apt-get will be better then aptitude once it goes into stable |
| 01:08.19 | eeccho | ssh ain't invlove downloads, unless it's installed from security.debian.org ) |
| 01:08.19 | stew | blairsooley: in what way do they prevent ssh? |
| 01:08.22 | valdyn | blairsooley: you could use ajaxterm |
| 01:08.26 | blairsooley | i cannot download anything stew |
| 01:08.27 | stew | FearedBliss: no, it won't |
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| 01:08.39 | blairsooley | ajaxterm? |
| 01:08.44 | Supaplex | blairsooley: this sounds too generic for debian. get a real webhost |
| 01:08.47 | eeccho | blairsooley, strange position for an admin |
| 01:09.04 | valdyn | blairsooley: yes, you need only web access for that |
| 01:09.13 | blairsooley | ? |
| 01:09.16 | blairsooley | no no no |
| 01:09.19 | stew | FearedBliss: aptitude will still have far better dependency resolution |
| 01:09.30 | blairsooley | i want to access my server from school but i cannot because im restricted from downloading anything |
| 01:09.36 | valdyn | blairsooley: just the same access as you need to use one of those panels |
| 01:09.37 | Igneous | wow, I didn't know such a thing like ajaxterm existed |
| 01:09.40 | Igneous | that is waaay cool |
| 01:09.40 | Supaplex | blairsooley: if you cannot download anything, what good does a control panel you can't install do? |
| 01:09.50 | blairsooley | Supaplex, was gunna install it at home |
| 01:09.56 | blairsooley | valdyn, thanks, that is good |
| 01:09.58 | blairsooley | web based terminal :) |
| 01:10.03 | stew | blairsooley: can you bring an ssh client on a usb thumb drive, or some such? |
| 01:10.10 | blairsooley | yeah i was thinkin of that too |
| 01:10.19 | blairsooley | ajaxterm will work |
| 01:10.20 | blairsooley | thx |
| 01:10.32 | eeccho | well i hope so ) |
| 01:10.52 | Supaplex | it might help to know that before hand. :P you can configure ssh to listen on a different port to. if you're using ajaxterm, I suggest you create an ssl cert, or use sslrenewal.com for one etc |
| 01:11.09 | valdyn | blairsooley: preferably you want encrypted ( https ) for that, depending on your security requirements |
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| 01:11.38 | Supaplex | runs dsniff@blair's school as a value added security service ;) |
| 01:11.42 | eeccho | gee will my washing machine finish until, at least, upcoming weekend... |
| 01:12.05 | FearedBliss | stew, alright. check this out, sometimes i will be doing a aptitude install <packages> but i make a mistake.. once i press ctrl + z i cant update again because a lock gets created |
| 01:12.13 | FearedBliss | stew, i usually just rm -rf /var/lib/lock |
| 01:12.21 | FearedBliss | and it lets me update |
| 01:12.37 | stew | FearedBliss: type "fg" to bring the backgrounded process back to the foreground |
| 01:12.40 | valdyn | FearedBliss: geez |
| 01:12.46 | FearedBliss | valdyn, ? |
| 01:12.55 | blairsooley | l |
| 01:12.56 | Supaplex | FearedBliss: that eats all locks. |
| 01:12.57 | blairsooley | k* |
| 01:12.58 | blairsooley | will do, thanks |
| 01:13.04 | valdyn | FearedBliss: ctrl-z pots process on hold |
| 01:13.09 | valdyn | FearedBliss: it does not kill it |
| 01:13.15 | FearedBliss | supaplex, oh i thought it forced quit |
| 01:13.24 | valdyn | FearedBliss: you can just aswell onlock it as you locked it, what stew said |
| 01:13.24 | Igneous | FearedBliss: thats ctrl+c |
| 01:13.26 | Igneous | normally |
| 01:13.29 | Supaplex | !tell FearedBliss -about grounding |
| 01:13.58 | stew | FearedBliss: "rm -rf /var/lib/lock" removes all locks from all processes, and leaves them running, which isn't safe it also removes the locks directory, which isn't a good idea |
| 01:14.04 | FearedBliss | supaplex, i already know a lot... but im constantly learning.. is there a problem to that ? |
| 01:14.12 | stew | FearedBliss: yes |
| 01:14.14 | valdyn | FearedBliss: locks have a purpose |
| 01:14.24 | FearedBliss | valdyn, i would assum so |
| 01:14.29 | FearedBliss | stew, alright thanks |
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| 01:15.01 | eeccho | FearedBliss, and don't operate being root |
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| 01:15.15 | FearedBliss | eecho, i know. i download sudo and give my other acc wheel |
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| 01:15.24 | Supaplex | FearedBliss: locks prevent multiple instances from writing to the package database at the same time. (which could eaisly result in a busticated package database) |
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| 01:15.45 | Supaplex | FearedBliss: wheel is a bsd thing. |
| 01:16.01 | eeccho | wheel is actually a stoneage thing ) |
| 01:16.02 | FearedBliss | supaplex, yea i know, only reason i removed lock dir was to unlock it and i knew that it wouldnt be writing multiple times cause i did ctrl + z |
| 01:16.11 | FearedBliss | lol i was trying OpenBSD yesterday and today |
| 01:16.12 | Igneous | hides under the nearest bed at the mention of bsd |
| 01:16.14 | FearedBliss | the community is very stingy |
| 01:16.25 | Igneous | De Radtt is a scary guy |
| 01:16.30 | FearedBliss | there always like pkg_add(1) |
| 01:16.31 | FearedBliss | blah blah |
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| 01:16.35 | FearedBliss | arg pisses mme off |
| 01:16.43 | Supaplex | that's nice. |
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| 01:17.08 | eeccho | teach yourself ruby, this will save us both time ) |
| 01:17.14 | valdyn | more like "rtfm" as i know it |
| 01:17.29 | Igneous | FreeBSD is cool, and OpenBSD makes a wicked fileserver... but nothing has the setup time to useablilty ratio of debian |
| 01:17.58 | FearedBliss | valdyn, yea i was reading the manual, freebsd handbook and the openbsd faq |
| 01:18.08 | eeccho | Igneous, come back later when bsd loses its freakiness |
| 01:18.09 | wayneward_ | i looked at pc-bsd |
| 01:18.14 | wayneward_ | looks kinda cool |
| 01:18.16 | Igneous | lol |
| 01:18.19 | FearedBliss | eeccho, i was learning ruby and ror on os x with textmate |
| 01:18.22 | FearedBliss | really nice editor |
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| 01:18.26 | valdyn | FearedBliss: alright, im not telling you, just quoting openbsd people |
| 01:18.30 | Igneous | pc-bsd is the ubuntu of the bsd world |
| 01:18.33 | FearedBliss | valdyn, ah lol |
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| 01:18.44 | tecky | if your wanting the most secrure 'OUT_OF_THE_BOX' install go w/ openbsd |
| 01:18.50 | FearedBliss | igneous, i like there package system and the pbis are nice |
| 01:18.55 | wayneward_ | yer could be but good 4 newbies |
| 01:19.08 | FearedBliss | tecky, its real fast to install less then 5 min |
| 01:19.30 | FearedBliss | install a bunch of *42.tgz and your set |
| 01:19.51 | Igneous | It's wicked clean |
| 01:20.00 | Igneous | obsd, is what I'm talking about |
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| 01:20.11 | stew | Igneous: stop talking about it |
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| 01:20.25 | wayneward_ | can u get kde 3.5.9 on bsd ports |
| 01:20.31 | FearedBliss | lol |
| 01:20.32 | stew | wayneward_: wrong channel |
| 01:20.51 | FearedBliss | alright well now i have to figure out a way to enable secondary click on my ibook |
| 01:20.53 | FearedBliss | i tried xev |
| 01:20.55 | unkhot | Hello, I have a apache chrooted, but some tools like squirrelmail needs 'locales' to select another language, wich files do I need on chroot? Or what do I need ? thank you |
| 01:20.56 | eeccho | /join #sewer |
| 01:21.00 | wayneward_ | well thats what there talkin about hey? |
| 01:21.04 | FearedBliss | and did the following xmodmap -e "keycode 96 = Pointer_Button2" |
| 01:21.06 | FearedBliss | but that doesnt work |
| 01:21.07 | Igneous | stew: were the last 10 lines in chat not just about bsd? I seem to recal a notice that this channel sent me when i logged in, saying that #debian is a "discussion" channel.. and not exactly a support channel |
| 01:21.07 | wayneward_ | like topic??!! |
| 01:21.23 | eeccho | unkhot, #apache |
| 01:21.32 | wayneward_ | dur |
| 01:21.43 | unkhot | eeccho: well is not apache related, is about chroot |
| 01:21.46 | stew | Igneous: yes, the last 10 lines were about bsd, which they shouldn't be. this channel is exactly a support channel, and not at all a discussion channel |
| 01:22.01 | Igneous | then someone needs to change that notice |
| 01:22.02 | eeccho | unkhot, is it #chroot here? ) |
| 01:22.05 | Igneous | or you need to put on an op hat |
| 01:22.21 | stew | Igneous: drop it |
| 01:22.51 | unkhot | eeccho: If you don't known my question, don't try to be funny :) |
| 01:22.58 | wayneward_ | i usually come in here to help others and get help and also have some chit chat in between cant see the harm in discussing other items related ?? |
| 01:23.15 | eeccho | unkhot, i'm not |
| 01:23.24 | FearedBliss | stew, i tried this "xmodmap -e "keycode 96 = Pointer_Button2" to enable right click but it didnt work. i used xev to get the keycode for F12 |
| 01:23.28 | FearedBliss | any ideas ? |
| 01:23.41 | eeccho | unkhot, but that's too generic question for #debian |
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| 01:25.17 | s0l5 | Is it difficult to isntall vmware on debian? |
| 01:25.36 | FearedBliss | s0l5 : no |
| 01:25.38 | wayneward_ | viryual box is easy |
| 01:25.44 | wayneward_ | virtual* |
| 01:25.59 | eeccho | s0l5, as easy as reading installation guide on vmware.com |
| 01:25.59 | s0l5 | would it support any 64 bit guest operating systems or would that depend on my processor? |
| 01:26.31 | wayneward_ | try!! |
| 01:26.52 | eeccho | s0l5, vmware needs 64b cpu to run 64b hosted os |
| 01:27.07 | s0l5 | When i go to the download page on debians site it does not have a download link for 32 bit |
| 01:27.17 | s0l5 | is i386 32 bit? |
| 01:27.20 | stew | s0l5: yes |
| 01:27.22 | eeccho | it is |
| 01:27.24 | WormFood | s0l5, there is one patch you need to make with the newest kernel, but it is one line fix to make one of the vmware modules work |
| 01:27.40 | s0l5 | ok thanks |
| 01:27.47 | s0l5 | i think ill just go with 32 bits |
| 01:27.48 | s0l5 | for now |
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| 01:29.11 | Supaplex | oh nice. /etc/init.d/networking stop deadlocks my workstation. GAH |
| 01:29.33 | streuner_ | unstable? |
| 01:30.21 | Supaplex | unresolved networking issue. no firewall, but it sure feels like there's one. |
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| 01:30.40 | Supaplex | I figured I'd drop the network, and reload the e100 driver just for kicks. |
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| 01:32.18 | shze | my firewall logs lots of igmp multicast packets.. do i need these? which programs use such kind of packets? |
| 01:32.46 | shze | i read about ntp? where can i find information? |
| 01:32.52 | wayneward_ | tried fwbuilder |
| 01:33.47 | Supaplex | ponders slapping a mgetty on ttyS0 for future console fubars. |
| 01:34.14 | shze | wayneward_: does fwbuilder have explanations? |
| 01:34.27 | Supaplex | got openbox to quit, but I think X11 hosed something when it lost networking. :( all local apps stopped taking input. grr |
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| 01:35.52 | mrcool | hi all |
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| 01:36.13 | mrcool | any idea of Fax Server on linux (I want to use window has client) |
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| 01:38.31 | bolt | logic dictates that my arse is behind me |
| 01:39.13 | FearedBliss | alright so i have installed wpa_supplicant and wireless-tools |
| 01:39.20 | Ward1983 | bolt, since your arse is part of you, how can it be behind you? |
| 01:39.22 | FearedBliss | how do i use it with WPA |
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| 01:40.36 | Ward1983 | bolt, the logic that dictates you is not logical :p |
| 01:41.17 | Supaplex | Ward1983: well, if it was in front of him, what would you think then? |
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| 01:41.36 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, the same :) |
| 01:42.06 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, i think u missed a sentence of me :) |
| 01:42.10 | bolt | Ward1983: the bolted science comission has determined that you are impossible |
| 01:42.22 | Ward1983 | bolt, loool |
| 01:42.35 | Supaplex | reinspects /lastlog Ward1983 |
| 01:43.31 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, its nothing important lol, just some really weird boring form of humor :) |
| 01:44.03 | Supaplex | apparently ;p |
| 01:44.49 | bolt | it's what i do when i should be in bed hours ago but couldn't be arsed |
| 01:45.04 | bolt | bad humor inc. |
| 01:45.15 | bolt | doors open at bedtime |
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| 01:45.35 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 01:45.40 | Supaplex | how can I prevent X releasing entrails when I /etc/init.d/network stop? :) |
| 01:45.51 | Ward1983 | bad humor inc, doors open when stoned |
| 01:45.52 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 01:46.11 | bolt | Supaplex: what? |
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| 01:46.33 | Supaplex | bolt: Had a networking issue (humm, lemmie retest that, bbiam) |
| 01:46.58 | bolt | entrails on Supaplex |
| 01:47.40 | Igneous | !eat bolt |
| 01:47.41 | dpkg | eats bolt, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 01:47.52 | bolt | ow. |
| 01:47.57 | Igneous | lol |
| 01:48.05 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.09 | Supaplex | uhhh WTF. it dies the same way w/o X running. |
| 01:48.24 | bolt | what way? |
| 01:48.29 | Supaplex | and, to add insult to injury, the printer is still unreachable from that workstation |
| 01:48.32 | bolt | mine, or the highway? |
| 01:48.55 | Supaplex | dies just as the dhcp address is released |
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| 01:49.05 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:49.22 | streuner | sounds like a real headache with that box :-) |
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| 01:50.22 | bolt | in extreme cases, install windows 98, get a heart attack, install debian and praise your configuration problems |
| 01:50.46 | Igneous | OS/2 warp is preferable to winblowz 98 |
| 01:50.49 | streuner | yeah, thats a good solution :-P |
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| 01:51.11 | bolt | Igneous: no thanks. some of the computers at work still run that. |
| 01:51.18 | Igneous | haha oh wow |
| 01:51.22 | bolt | blows up his workplace |
| 01:51.25 | solifugus | in debian, where is dhcp.conf normally? |
| 01:51.26 | Igneous | what do they use warp for? |
| 01:51.50 | streuner | solifugus: somewhere where all config files usually? |
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| 01:52.04 | Igneous | maybe /etc |
| 01:52.07 | Igneous | just a thought |
| 01:52.14 | streuner | oh, good guess :-) |
| 01:52.23 | bolt | Igneous: monitoring usage of isdn phone lines, snooping dialed numbers and such |
| 01:52.26 | solifugus | streuner: really.. then why is it not in /etc? Or at least, it's not called dhcp.conf or dhcpd.conf on debian.. |
| 01:52.29 | bolt | Igneous: making statistics |
| 01:52.42 | streuner | solifugus: try dhclient.conf |
| 01:53.00 | solifugus | streuner: but i am interested in the server |
| 01:53.01 | Igneous | do they have not have source code to these apps? seems like linux would be more applicable for this kindof stuff |
| 01:53.15 | streuner | solifugus: well, read the docs about then |
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| 03:04.50 | stew | lymeca: adding xen support would certianly contribute to the size of the knerel, as would compiling things into the kernel that weren't previously in the kernel (which you must have done to get rid of the initrd) |
| 03:05.04 | quentusrex | Can anyone explain to me why I'd want to use a rack server with SAS rather than a server with only SATA? |
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| 03:05.36 | jim | sas is serial scsi, isnt it |
| 03:05.51 | stew | who said anything about scsi? |
| 03:05.56 | stew | oh |
| 03:06.13 | abrotman | Serial Attached SCSI |
| 03:06.31 | jim | somebody didn't say something about scsi?!? clumsy me! |
| 03:06.32 | lymeca | quasisane: On my 2 servers I have 2 SAS drives in RAID-1 for the OSes and apps whereas SATA2 drives I put in RAID-5 or RAID-6 for data |
| 03:06.35 | abrotman | quentusrex: ask #hardware |
| 03:06.38 | stew | i misread something, ignore me |
| 03:06.44 | quentusrex | Thanks abrotman. |
| 03:06.46 | lymeca | good point abrotman |
| 03:06.55 | lymeca | ...not very debian related |
| 03:07.05 | quentusrex | I'll be running debian servers on the systems. |
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| 03:07.17 | abrotman | yeah .. but you're asking a hardware question |
| 03:07.18 | quentusrex | so I was just checking. |
| 03:07.20 | jim | except for the part where debian detects and uses the hardware |
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| 03:08.41 | quentusrex | Does debian do anything different with SAS or SATA? or is the difference only hardware? |
| 03:09.05 | jim | well it's the kernel that supports either |
| 03:09.33 | jim | at one point, for sata, the kernel used the scsi subsystem |
| 03:09.37 | lymeca | quentusrex: on my servers Debian (or rather Linux) interprets both SAS and SATA drives as /dev/sd? |
| 03:10.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | yep |
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| 03:13.29 | arooni | is there a bd php package? |
| 03:13.30 | arooni | cant find it |
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| 03:14.47 | abrotman | a what ? |
| 03:14.58 | xerophyt1 | how can i increase the font size in xterm with keys? |
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| 03:16.48 | CastingCrowns | Can someone help me get my nvidia drivers installed? I came from a openSuse distro, but this is so diferent than I am used to |
| 03:16.49 | sandman | I'm getting the distinct feeling that perhaps it would be better to just use virtual machines, rather than chroots |
| 03:17.29 | Rusty1 | xerophyt1: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/10/configuring-xterm-in-linux.html |
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| 03:17.58 | arooni | php5-gd package i installed.... restarted apache; but when i do phpinfo; i dont see anything about it... or about getimagesize |
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| 03:20.45 | CastingCrowns | please, can someone help me to install Nvidia drivers? |
| 03:21.01 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:21.01 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 03:21.22 | abrotman | arooni: check your php.ini .. make sure the extension is enabled |
| 03:21.29 | CastingCrowns | thanks |
| 03:21.37 | arooni | abrotman, how do i check that |
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| 03:21.47 | abrotman | read the file ? |
| 03:22.10 | arooni | abrotman, that extension is not listed; i'm not sure how to enable that extension |
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| 03:22.27 | phil2 | That was the command to install all the comon debian packages gnu c++ make? |
| 03:22.35 | abrotman | !b-e phil2 |
| 03:22.35 | dpkg | phil2: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 03:22.46 | phil2 | Thank you |
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| 03:28.51 | nebnav | can someone explain to me how execution works? |
| 03:29.05 | nebnav | of the application kind |
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| 03:30.38 | dto | does the debian lenny version of Crawl support tiles? i see tiles in the website version screenshots, but can't seem to figure out how to turn them on. |
| 03:31.32 | nebnav | anyone? like when sh executes something. does it send code to the kernel or something? |
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| 03:32.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | nebnav, try ##linux |
| 03:32.30 | nebnav | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks. |
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| 03:38.42 | jim | nebnav: sh talks to libc |
| 03:38.45 | grendal_prime | hey im trying to set up wvdial on a machine so that any user can use the modem...this is really pissing me off |
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| 03:40.58 | jim | you can do that... but unix was designed to be able to share things like an internet connection... by making it so that plain users can use the connection carried by the modem but not change anything about it |
| 03:41.37 | grendal_prime | --> The PPP daemon has died: No root priv error (exit code = 3) |
| 03:41.57 | grendal_prime | thats weird..it use to be code = 2 |
| 03:42.19 | jim | so ppp wasn't designed for that either (have to be able to route and ifconfig) |
| 03:42.59 | jim | might be a good thing to see what the code means |
| 03:43.06 | grendal_prime | grrr..i would love to just set it up as a dod machine so if anyone on the network there wanted access to the internet it would just run. |
| 03:43.13 | grendal_prime | ive done that |
| 03:43.43 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.01 | grendal_prime | thing is thats the first time ive gotten that error |
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| 03:44.20 | grendal_prime | the error i was getting was ... 2 An error was detected in processing the options given, such as |
| 03:44.20 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:44.40 | jim | having pppd be setuid root is a risk you should find out about... but you could try that |
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| 03:45.06 | nebnav | jim: i heard that the program opcodes put into memory and executed, could you explain? or point me to something? |
| 03:45.16 | unkhot | Hello, on a chroot, what is the way to use locales too, wich files do I need? /usr/share/locales only does not work, any idea? thanks |
| 03:45.18 | grendal_prime | this machine..its in a warehouse..two people will have phisical access to it..me being one.. |
| 03:45.53 | grendal_prime | how could haveing dial out permissions to anyone be dangeriouse...by the way this will be the only machine on the network..unless i have my laptop pluged into the switch |
| 03:46.03 | jim | nebnav: you'd have to tell what exactly you wanted to know |
| 03:47.06 | jim | unkhot: install locales on the chroot |
| 03:47.09 | drlmi | grendal_prime: does it have to be wvdial? |
| 03:47.29 | CastingCrowns | exit |
| 03:47.31 | CastingCrowns | oops |
| 03:47.59 | xerophyt1 | is there any book explains how to create multi-binary debs .. other Debian New Maintainers' Guide |
| 03:47.59 | jim | rexit, RastingRrowns! |
| 03:48.02 | xerophyt1 | ? |
| 03:48.44 | grendal_prime | drlmi: no not really |
| 03:49.03 | jim | xerophyt1: the packaging manual |
| 03:49.31 | xerophyt1 | jim: hmmm url > |
| 03:49.32 | nebnav | jim: ok i have an embedded device that has firmware on it that allows me to write plugins, BUT... i have to recompile the firmware to include the new plugins that i create. how would i go about executing a file from the file system. |
| 03:49.38 | grendal_prime | i mean anything that will alow a typical underprivledged user to just dial up the frigging isp..(Is it just me or does this seem like something that should be rather simple?) |
| 03:50.05 | drlmi | i use pppconfig to set up the connection, then #pon=dial out #poff=hang up |
| 03:50.15 | grendal_prime | i mean i do understand that...getting on the internet could be a security risk..but i mean come on. |
| 03:50.21 | jim | underprivileged user... wow... talk about ghetto :) |
| 03:50.21 | drlmi | then add users to the "dip" group |
| 03:50.43 | drlmi | done |
| 03:51.20 | grendal_prime | because i cant spell jim? |
| 03:51.22 | xerophyt1 | when i run dh-make it ask me for what kind of package signle binary or multibinary... .. how can i find out if a package is signle or multi with dpkg or apt-get |
| 03:51.23 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 03:51.30 | jim | you just did! |
| 03:51.39 | jim | j-i-m jim! |
| 03:51.50 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 03:52.19 | grendal_prime | yep..sorry did i mention that i was wrestling with a broken airless paint sprayer most of the day.. |
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| 03:52.33 | grendal_prime | im missing some brain cells.. |
| 03:52.45 | grendal_prime | and this whole thing is pissing me off. |
| 03:53.03 | grendal_prime | using pon and poff....i dont get it |
| 03:53.09 | jim | being pissed on is worse... |
| 03:53.23 | grendal_prime | it is jim..thank you..for the observation |
| 03:53.38 | grendal_prime | drlmi: i dont get it.. |
| 03:53.51 | drlmi | pon poff are commands |
| 03:53.56 | jim | as root: which pppd |
| 03:54.10 | grendal_prime | the other usr on this machine will be a total none computer person..think..like monkey. |
| 03:54.12 | jim | should tell you where it is |
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| 03:54.24 | dasunt | What's the easiest way to edit a *.mov file under linux? |
| 03:54.31 | dasunt | Just want to chop out some bits. |
| 03:54.33 | drlmi | ok |
| 03:54.42 | drlmi | install pppconfig first :=) |
| 03:54.45 | jim | think like a monkey but walk like an egyptian? |
| 03:54.51 | drlmi | then pon poff are commands |
| 03:54.53 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 03:54.59 | dasunt | jim: 'Cause it's just another manic monday? |
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| 03:56.00 | jim | stormy monday? |
| 03:56.35 | grendal_prime | ok done |
| 03:56.35 | unkhot | jim: but is not easy for me, I don't want to install apt-get/perl & cya on chroot, it is not possible to 'copy' manually or something? |
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| 03:57.07 | grendal_prime | sorry . i had to go out the garage and physically touch the box..and it was locked in the chatsworth case...keys...... |
| 03:57.33 | grendal_prime | i could write a book on the last 5 min of my life |
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| 03:57.41 | jim | probably it is... but I woudn't be able to tell you how to get it right, at least not inside of an hour or two |
| 03:57.42 | grendal_prime | so pppdconfig installed drlmi |
| 03:57.49 | drlmi | from a root command line #pppconfig will walk you through setting up a command |
| 03:58.02 | drlmi | setting up a connection i mean |
| 03:58.16 | unkhot | jim: If I use locale -a my 'locales' are listed, since I have copied manually /usr/share/locales but, if I use export LC_ALL=es_ES and I use date, this is showed in english with this warning, locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:58.38 | drlmi | basically making a config file /etc/ppp/peers/provider |
| 03:59.39 | jim | so the non-chroot is debian but the chroot doesn't have dpkg? |
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| 04:00.17 | unkhot | jim: yes, the non-chroot only have apache |
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| 04:01.20 | Dark | hi unkhot |
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| 04:02.33 | Waistless | Does anyone know if it it's possible to install Debian with a minimal CD over wireless? |
| 04:02.45 | lontra | hi ... i am trying to block ssb from loading so that i can use ndiswrapper but it won't stop ... how can i block it from being loaded during boot time? |
| 04:02.51 | force | is there a way to force everything to be reinstalled from a .deb package, it seems when i install even with confmiss it refuses to recreate a queue folder |
| 04:02.56 | jim | single side band? |
| 04:03.13 | drlmi | cb radio? |
| 04:03.19 | LinuxMercedes | Any idea as to why when I run sudo apt-get upgrade I get the message "E: could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock-open (11 resource temporarily unavailable)? |
| 04:03.42 | grendal_prime | ok dont drlmi . that was pretty simple for the most part |
| 04:03.54 | unkhot | jim: but under chroot, using locale -a is 'listed', but does not work |
| 04:03.57 | jim | my radio even gets -am- |
| 04:04.01 | Dark | cb radio wht its mean |
| 04:04.16 | jim | you're going to have to find out how the locales system works |
| 04:04.23 | drlmi | grendal_prime: all good then? |
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| 04:04.41 | jim | my days of taking 3 and 4 hours to explain something for free are GONE |
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| 04:05.12 | lontra | i've blacklist ssb in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but it still loads any other ideas? |
| 04:05.28 | jim | it loads any other ideas?! |
| 04:05.44 | grendal_prime | drlmi: i believe so..i mean i have the account created..i use it how? |
| 04:05.47 | sandman | Is there a way to change the default CFLAGS a program uses to compile? |
| 04:05.54 | jim | to load... the unloadable idea... |
| 04:06.00 | sandman | Like from ./configure or something? Or perhaps is there some sort of global method to switching this out? |
| 04:06.06 | drlmi | with the commands pon and poff |
| 04:06.19 | drlmi | pon will dial out......poff will hang up |
| 04:06.32 | grendal_prime | and this will work as any user? |
| 04:06.34 | jim | sandman: you would do that on a per-package basis |
| 04:06.51 | drlmi | any user that belongs to the group "dip" |
| 04:06.52 | grendal_prime | do i need to specify the connection like pon ispnamehere? |
| 04:07.04 | grendal_prime | well they all are dips..hhehehe |
| 04:07.27 | jim | and if they arn't all dips, don't eat the chips! |
| 04:07.35 | sandman | jim: Oh. I was under the impression one could change a setting somewhere. I'm not talking about building a deb, btw. Just downloading a source tarball and ./configure && make && make install'ing it. |
| 04:07.42 | drlmi | heh.....did you call your connection "provider" or something else? |
| 04:07.48 | Dark | does any one saw a sexy pron |
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| 04:08.50 | jim | an evil spawn... someone asking for a pron |
| 04:09.02 | grendal_prime | called it .. internetconnection |
| 04:09.40 | drlmi | ok, then #pon internetconnection |
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| 04:10.57 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 04:11.02 | grendal_prime | doesnt appear to do anything |
| 04:11.20 | jim | #pon for pron? |
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| 04:12.54 | drlmi | hmmmm, does modem make any noise? |
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| 04:13.26 | grendal_prime | its in the garage..ill go check. however is there usaully something echoed to the screen? |
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| 04:13.31 | grendal_prime | durring connection that is |
| 04:13.56 | drlmi | no, not on mine anyway. |
| 04:13.57 | JoeThomas | Hi, I'm running DWM, yet I can't get TTF ProggyTiny to work, while msttcorefonts works fine. |
| 04:14.48 | grendal_prime | poff internet connection to turn it off right? |
| 04:14.56 | drlmi | try to ping a website? |
| 04:14.57 | drlmi | yes |
| 04:15.08 | grendal_prime | k |
| 04:15.10 | grendal_prime | brb |
| 04:15.12 | drlmi | just poff should do it |
| 04:15.27 | grendal_prime | thanks by the way..i owe you a drink..or...hell what do ya want? |
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| 04:16.31 | drlmi | no problem |
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| 04:19.55 | lontra | how can i prevent ssb from being loaded during boot time? even though i have it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist it still gets loaded |
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| 04:21.20 | cafuego | find /lib/modules -name ssb.ko -exec rm {} + |
| 04:21.30 | cafuego | Guaranteed won't load |
| 04:21.36 | grendal_prime | drlmi: i get the same error about must be root |
| 04:21.40 | lontra | cafuego: where do i put that? |
| 04:21.50 | grendal_prime | must be root to run pppd |
| 04:21.58 | lontra | cafuego: oh i see |
| 04:22.00 | cafuego | lontra: Once you know what it does AND you think it's a good idea, you run thata s root in a shell. |
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| 04:22.19 | grendal_prime | thats using the pon internetconnection |
| 04:22.22 | drlmi | really? hmmm. |
| 04:22.42 | grendal_prime | yep...this is lenny by the way |
| 04:22.50 | grendal_prime | i did test it as root and it does work |
| 04:22.56 | drlmi | maybee theres another group....BRB i'll check my other account |
| 04:23.02 | lontra | cafuego: thanks i know what it does ;) |
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| 04:23.11 | lontra | i copied that .ko elsewhere just in case |
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| 04:27.28 | grendal_prime | error i get is /usr/sbin/pppd: must be root to run /usr/sbin/pppd, since it is not setuid-root |
| 04:27.53 | drlmi | grendal_prime: i pulled your leg....the group you want to belong to is "root" |
| 04:27.56 | cafuego | it ought to be setuid root |
| 04:28.11 | grendal_prime | and..im running low on cokeacola. grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 04:28.21 | grendal_prime | tons of rum..no coke..grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 04:28.22 | cafuego | mode 2750, owner by root.dip |
| 04:28.33 | cafuego | grendal_prime: So where is the problem? :-) |
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| 04:28.56 | lontra | cafuego: that still loads that stupid kernel :( |
| 04:29.09 | grendal_prime | wife give me harry eyeball when i just start drinking rum on the rocks |
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| 04:29.19 | cafuego | so don't use rocks |
| 04:29.54 | grendal_prime | annnyway...let me get this straight drlmi i need my standard user to belong to the root group? |
| 04:30.01 | cafuego | grendal_prime: no |
| 04:30.16 | lontra | cafuego: any other ideas? |
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| 04:30.25 | cafuego | grendal_prime: pppd should be setuid root and owned by root:dialup or root:dip |
| 04:30.35 | cafuego | grendal_prime: it should be executable by that group |
| 04:30.45 | grendal_prime | ok.. |
| 04:30.49 | cafuego | grendal_prime: So anyone needing to use `pon' should be in the dialout or dip group. |
| 04:30.52 | drlmi | Yeah, that too |
| 04:31.06 | grendal_prime | the user is in both of those groups |
| 04:31.16 | grendal_prime | it still gives me that error though |
| 04:31.24 | cafuego | grendal_prime: So the eprms on pppd are incorrect |
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| 04:31.28 | lontra | cafuego: that's not removing the module -> find /lib/modules -name ssb.ko -exec rm {} + ... when i reboot ssb still exists |
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| 04:31.44 | cafuego | lontra: then the name on disk must be different |
| 04:31.44 | grendal_prime | interesting |
| 04:31.58 | lontra | cafuego: lsmod shows ssb |
| 04:32.03 | cafuego | grendal_prime: chown root:dialout /usr/sbin/pppd |
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| 04:32.12 | cafuego | grendal_prime: chmod 2750 /usr/sbin/pppd |
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| 04:33.53 | grendal_prime | ya ..that didnt change anything it still looks the same |
| 04:34.04 | grendal_prime | cafuego: thanks for the help though. |
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| 04:35.54 | grendal_prime | i still get the same error |
| 04:36.15 | grendal_prime | #/usr/sbin/pppd: must be root to run /usr/sbin/pppd, since it is not setuid-root |
| 04:36.36 | grendal_prime | and i also tried setting the group to dip.. |
| 04:36.43 | grendal_prime | no joy though. |
| 04:37.28 | drlmi | grendal_prime: your users belong to the dip group right? edited /etc/group? |
| 04:38.35 | grendal_prime | yesserdoodle |
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| 04:38.41 | grendal_prime | dip:x:30:shawng,bnmranch1 |
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| 04:39.35 | grendal_prime | same with dialout group |
| 04:39.56 | grendal_prime | i hate modems..(did i mention that?) |
| 04:40.47 | grendal_prime | i have tried everything thinkable...(and even whoring myself out) to get some sort of higherspeed connection to this site..it is literally impossible. |
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| 04:41.54 | bpun | anyone can recommend a safe dns alternative that i know my paypal.com wont be spoofed or anything? |
| 04:42.40 | grendal_prime | what the hell are you dealling with there bpun ..i mean...what does that mean? |
| 04:42.48 | grendal_prime | nevermind |
| 04:42.52 | grendal_prime | dont answer that |
| 04:42.59 | grendal_prime | i dont want to know |
| 04:43.14 | bpun | grendal_prime, never heard of opendns.com ? |
| 04:43.31 | grendal_prime | im sorry....i really dont want to know |
| 04:43.44 | bpun | grendal_prime if you dont-- then why talk? |
| 04:43.53 | grendal_prime | drlmi: any ideas as to why im getting this error still.. |
| 04:44.06 | bpun | its a matter of two dns server addresses... if anyone has experience good results--- i hate porn popups.. |
| 04:44.08 | grendal_prime | im sorry bpun i got sidtracked..it was my fault i appologize |
| 04:44.14 | bpun | i dont know about you grendal_prime |
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| 04:47.30 | drlmi | grendel_prime: this could be a security thing, but when i #chmod 4750 /usr/sbin/pppd there seems to be progress now. |
| 04:48.03 | phorce1 | bpun: the safest place to have handle your DNS if you can't do it yourself is usually your ISP or wherever your 24/7 live machine is hosted. If you're just talking about DNS servers to use in your personal/home resolv.conf --- use the ones your ISP gives you. |
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| 04:48.39 | jim | or just install bind9 |
| 04:48.44 | drlmi | my own user belongs to group "root" not recomended....but i guess that is how mine has been working :) oops. |
| 04:49.20 | bpun | phorce1, i think i know that-- that's why i need someone who's chosen an alternative-- i dont wanna run squid and bother with blacklists |
| 04:50.18 | phorce1 | bpun: You should have specified that you want someone else to decide what you can/cannot see. |
| 04:50.48 | bpun | phorce1, relax dude.. its a simple question.. |
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| 04:51.28 | grendal_prime | weird..it seems to have worked that time |
| 04:51.29 | ahyuwhiye | what comman is partman using to erase partitions? |
| 04:51.29 | jim | bpun: so it's a simple question? then answer it :) |
| 04:51.33 | ahyuwhiye | command* |
| 04:51.36 | enouf | hire an attorney? |
| 04:51.42 | drlmi | sweet! |
| 04:51.51 | esaym | is there a game in the debian repos where you just shoot and blow stuff up? |
| 04:51.53 | grendal_prime | sooo no executable by others....removing that worked...why i dont understand |
| 04:52.07 | jim | esaym: doom3? quake4? |
| 04:52.14 | grendal_prime | i got to go check int he garage..but .umm seems to have worked on from here |
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| 04:52.19 | esaym | jim: no in the repos |
| 04:52.21 | jim | ok, so it's not in the repos :) |
| 04:52.26 | esaym | ;) |
| 04:52.40 | esaym | I need some stuff to put on granny's computer for the kids that come over |
| 04:52.40 | jim | but it does satisfy your other requirements :) |
| 04:52.58 | drlmi | executable by group members though |
| 04:53.40 | phorce1 | esaym: tremulous? (I haven't actually looked at -- apt-cache search fps) |
| 04:54.16 | esaym | phorce1: I was actually just looking at the 2d side scroller types. I have tremulous ;) |
| 04:54.53 | jim | original doom? |
| 04:54.57 | enouf | heh, nice; $ partx -l /dev/hdc |
| 04:55.19 | esaym | jim: all the stuff for doom isn't already in the repos is it? |
| 04:55.19 | phorce1 | apt-cache search shoot brings up a BIG list to dig through. |
| 04:55.20 | Wyzard | esaym: chromium |
| 04:55.39 | esaym | phorce1: Yes I know, that is why i had to ask ;) |
| 04:56.07 | jim | I have an idea... install ALL of them |
| 04:56.08 | phorce1 | blobwars? |
| 04:56.17 | jim | bubbros |
| 04:56.22 | craigevil | esaym: blobwars, supertux etc |
| 04:56.29 | wols_ | esaym: galaga |
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| 04:57.02 | esaym | chromium doens't look bad, will have to build from source though |
| 04:57.07 | grendal_prime | drlmi: ok that worked |
| 04:57.11 | phorce1 | grande |
| 04:57.23 | grendal_prime | there is some sort of problem when it is also plugged into the network |
| 04:57.32 | grendal_prime | but ..im pretty sure i can work that out |
| 04:57.47 | phorce1 | esaym: The one liner for grande looks like the type |
| 04:57.48 | drlmi | grendal_prime: cool |
| 04:57.59 | grendal_prime | ya, thanks alot |
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| 04:58.26 | grendal_prime | ok im gonna finally take a piss, shower, go to bed. I have to fly a plane tomorroi |
| 04:58.32 | phorce1 | and kraptor |
| 04:58.41 | drlmi | you bet, c ya. |
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| 04:58.48 | ahyuwhiye | ): |
| 04:58.58 | phorce1 | kraptor - Classic shoot 'em up scroller game |
| 04:58.59 | Wyzard | esaym: Why build from source? |
| 04:59.02 | grendal_prime | drlmi: again i owe you a drink..where are you? |
| 04:59.03 | Wyzard | esaym: chromium is packaged |
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| 04:59.21 | esaym | Wyzard: not in etch |
| 04:59.25 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:59.27 | drlmi | Michigan |
| 04:59.35 | esaym | lot of deps so apt-pinning would not be good |
| 04:59.42 | grendal_prime | crap, im in california |
| 04:59.43 | Wyzard | esaym: Take a look at orbital-eunuchs-sniper too |
| 05:00.06 | grendal_prime | you comming to cali any time soon? |
| 05:00.17 | grendal_prime | (cause i know im not going to michigan ever) |
| 05:00.23 | phorce1 | OK, who's the wisea$$ who coined "shmup" for apt shoot-em-up game descriptions |
| 05:00.27 | drlmi | hehe, not going to happen |
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| 05:00.38 | ahyuwhiye | is this here debian offtopic? |
| 05:01.04 | cafuego | !confuse ahyuwhiye |
| 05:01.04 | dpkg | Yes, what are my badger tomorrow, ahyuwhiye? wellies of the people's republic of belarus with extra crabpaste |
| 05:01.24 | ahyuwhiye | ): |
| 05:02.42 | grendal_prime | alright well ill type at ya later about setting the score...you need a hobie cat sail boat? ill give ya a good deal on one of those...anyway..take it easy untell next time. and thanks loads....IM OUT /me throws his hands in the air and grabs the first thing with wings. |
| 05:02.54 | phorce1 | esaym: penguin-command (although it just wouldn't be right without an oversized trackball) |
| 05:03.01 | enouf | what's the best way to stop my /etc/cron.daily from running just once? (i mean; it's scheduled to run in ~30mins, i'd like to keep it from running for say 24 hours (+30min) or so - it's next regular scheduled time) |
| 05:03.05 | jim | dpkg couldn't confuse a dizzy ant... |
| 05:03.36 | drlmi | later |
| 05:03.47 | esaym | ok, thanks guys |
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| 05:04.52 | phorce1 | enouf: since it's so close just chmod the files in there to something like 444 the chmod them back later.It eill THINK it ran on time. |
| 05:05.18 | phorce1 | s/the chmod/then chmod/ |
| 05:05.20 | enouf | should i just mv the ..hrm, lessee .. thanks |
| 05:06.26 | phorce1 | enouf: mv would work too. Just empty out /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 05:06.29 | enouf | suppose i just rename the entire dir/ ? Ok, they all have the same perms; -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5041 2006-07-26 18:57 apt |
| 05:06.40 | enouf | hrm, ok, thanks |
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| 05:07.14 | phorce1 | enouf: leave the directory so cron doesn't get pissy about it being gone. Just move the files out of it. |
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| 05:07.34 | ahyuwhiye | what command does partman execute to erase partitions? |
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| 05:07.40 | supersako | I am having trouble setting up proftpd on my debian webserver .... 540 permission error |
| 05:07.43 | supersako | can someone help me out? |
| 05:07.44 | enouf | phorce1: righto - and -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 102 2004-07-28 16:44 .placeholder <-- that one hidden ;-) |
| 05:08.16 | enouf | partman and friends uses libparted iinm |
| 05:08.32 | enouf | s/uses/use |
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| 05:09.09 | phorce1 | enouf: LEAVE .placeholder ALONE! (read it) |
| 05:09.14 | maher | i'm having problems with greylistd's whitelist - it seems to be greylisting things that are whitelisted... |
| 05:09.18 | supersako | anyone here running proftp on their debian lamp server? |
| 05:10.21 | enouf | phorce1: i meant leave it in place |
| 05:10.26 | phorce1 | doesn't "do" hidden files. All my ls are aliased to at least ls -a |
| 05:10.27 | enouf | ;-) |
| 05:10.34 | jim | why run any ftpd? |
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| 05:10.53 | supersako | jim is there a better solution to connecting and uploading websites? |
| 05:11.09 | Wyzard | supersako: sftp |
| 05:11.15 | jim | of course... you can use scp |
| 05:11.20 | supersako | ya scp |
| 05:11.25 | supersako | but thats kind of tedious |
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| 05:11.43 | supersako | wyzard whats a good sftp client? |
| 05:11.52 | supersako | i am using proftp with TLS encryption atm |
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| 05:12.04 | jim | and kinda cool since it doesn't let every last piece of wire it goes thru know the user's passwd |
| 05:12.17 | Wyzard | supersako: The file managers in GNOME and KDE both support SFTP -- you can just open a remote folder with a sftp:// URL |
| 05:12.20 | enouf | phorce1: i was answering to; "leave the directory so cron doesn't get pissy ..." .. and i said; "and that one hidden" meaning leave that alone as well ;-) |
| 05:12.26 | Wyzard | supersako: Thunar (the XFCE filemanager) might too |
| 05:12.36 | supersako | sweet |
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| 05:12.44 | phorce1 | is there an X client for scp/sftp line "winscp" |
| 05:12.46 | supersako | so do i need to run anything on my webserver? |
| 05:12.57 | Wyzard | supersako: sshd, which you probably have already |
| 05:13.02 | supersako | ya i do |
| 05:13.03 | phorce1 | enouf: yeah, I had that /me typed before your reply popped up |
| 05:13.05 | Wyzard | supersako: and sftp enabled in the sshd configuration, which it is by default |
| 05:13.05 | supersako | aw man awesome |
| 05:13.16 | supersako | Wyzard you rock my friend |
| 05:13.21 | supersako | now to remove proftpd ;P |
| 05:14.19 | phorce1 | is slow tonight. I guess Wyzard answered that last question before I typed it |
| 05:17.10 | enouf | ok phorce1 so, i did; mkdir /etc/cron-daily-stop-once ; cp -a /etc/cron.daily/* /etc/cron-daily-stop-once/. ; rm /etc/cron.daily/* |
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| 05:17.51 | phorce1 | enouf: go look, does rm remove . files? |
| 05:18.00 | enouf | (ofcourse ensuring everything in /cron-dally-stop-once is full and correct) |
| 05:18.06 | enouf | phorce1: nope |
| 05:18.12 | enouf | which is what i wanted |
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| 05:18.32 | phorce1 | enouf: I couldn't remember. |
| 05:18.41 | enouf | i want to leave .placeholder alone ;-) |
| 05:18.56 | enouf | that's the only file exisitng now in /etc/cron.daily |
| 05:19.56 | enouf | hopes the cron.weekly and .monthly aren't scheduled this day ;-) (goes to look at /etc/crontab) |
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| 05:21.19 | enouf | nope; Saturday night/Sunday Morning and 1st day of Month, respectively ;-) |
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| 05:22.18 | phorce1 | enouf: you compiling something that's eating resources or backing up the drive with a 17.672892657 hour copy process |
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| 05:23.42 | phorce1 | really needs to burn some media files off to archival DVD's. 800+ Gib of HD space that's almost full |
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| 05:24.17 | enouf | phorce1: neither; just testing a theory i have .. (i have minimal RAM, and close to swapping, and am at times) and how cron.daily swaps out what i want in RAM .. when i really really don't need it to |
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| 05:26.54 | enouf | IOW, i don't need all those tasks to run every day, lke updatedb, etc etc .. i might start setting the .daily to run every third day or so .. and i guess i'd like to know the easy debian way to trigger all 16 listed in there to run, on an "as needed" basis - i doubt a for loop is the best way ;-) |
| 05:28.01 | phorce1 | I need to move some files and repartition my /home to drop about 20 Gig off of it to make a mount point for /usr. I've had to start compiling a lot of crap playing with my DVB-S card and filled up my 5Gig / partition (oops!) |
| 05:28.02 | jim | or create another category |
| 05:28.05 | enouf | (now, also to ascertain if mtime, ctime, atime also influence anything) |
| 05:28.23 | enouf | jim: so simple, brilliant :-P |
| 05:29.11 | jim | but then it's not really appropriate on every linux machine that there be an updatedb daily |
| 05:29.38 | phorce1 | enouf: move updatedb to .weekly or .monthly and run it by hand when you notice it's out of date and you need to refresh it. That's what I do anyway. I sometimes run it 4 or 5 times a day when compiling stuff. |
| 05:29.43 | jim | that might be true on a machine that stays on thru 6 am often enough |
| 05:30.08 | anoHito | how do i check the php version i installed ? |
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| 05:30.24 | Penix | anoHito: phpinfo() |
| 05:30.28 | jim | look at its version string |
| 05:30.34 | anoHito | in terminal |
| 05:30.41 | phorce1 | anoHito: dpkg -l|grep php |
| 05:30.42 | maher | anyone running exim4 + greylistd - I'm having problems with whitelisting |
| 05:30.46 | enouf | I've rescheduled the crons to run ~ 01:30 ish, spacing them apart by say 15min, just for that one time a week, and once a month all 3 run |
| 05:30.50 | phorce1 | anoHito: dpkg -l|grep -i php |
| 05:31.07 | jim | anoHito: so... you can't run a php script in a terminal? |
| 05:31.51 | Wyzard | jim: not without installing the php5-cli (or php4-cli) package |
| 05:31.57 | phorce1 | jim: may not have installed the cli |
| 05:32.11 | Wyzard | The "usual" PHP packages are the Apache module only |
| 05:32.15 | enouf | phorce1: 800GB? rofl, forget opticals, get more HDDs ;-) |
| 05:32.37 | jim | oic, so php is apache specific |
| 05:32.47 | Wyzard | jim: no, it isn't |
| 05:32.57 | anoHito | hi jim and phorce1 and Penix ,thanks |
| 05:33.14 | jim | "<Wyzard> The "usual" PHP packages are the Apache module only" |
| 05:33.19 | anoHito | jim, i am meeting a strange problem,i was trying to seek for helps in #php,no luck |
| 05:33.25 | phorce1 | enouf: I have 4 x 147G scsi drives that I'll add when I build a new machine soon. |
| 05:33.29 | anoHito | everyone is ZZzzzZZ :( |
| 05:33.37 | enouf | ok, looka that - cron.daily did not run .. beauty ;-) |
| 05:33.40 | Wyzard | jim: Yes, if you "apt-get install php5" you get libapache2-mod-php5, which is an Apache module |
| 05:33.41 | Penix | jim: that still doesn't imply php's only for apache |
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| 05:34.04 | Wyzard | jim: You can also use PHP as a CGI program or from the command line, but those are in separate packages (php5-cgi and php5-cli respectively) which most people don't have installed |
| 05:34.35 | anoHito | jim, i got a 500 error page and i check error log,says PHP Fatal error: Unable to read 14331 bytes\n in /home/r00t/domains/public_html/lib/cache.php on line 0 |
| 05:34.44 | enouf | phorce1: yeah, my biggest issue with optical media, besides all those known issues ... is; i like to have all my info easily available , at all times ;-) |
| 05:34.46 | jim | so most people only have the apache module installed? |
| 05:34.53 | phorce1 | enouf: crap, it's after midnight and I'm supposed to go hunting tomorrow (today) and have to drive 2 hours to do it |
| 05:34.58 | Wyzard | jim: correct, because that's the typical way of using PHP |
| 05:35.01 | anoHito | Unable to read 14331 bytes / n .. huh ? |
| 05:35.04 | enouf | phorce1: wabbit twacks? |
| 05:35.11 | Wyzard | anoHito: You have a user called "r00t"? |
| 05:35.13 | phorce1 | enouf: I'm talking movies and TV shows. |
| 05:35.24 | enouf | phorce1: eww :-P |
| 05:35.34 | phorce1 | enouf: hogs. Almost got runded over by one last week. |
| 05:35.53 | enouf | haha |
| 05:35.53 | anoHito | Wyzard, that is a faked one,why ? |
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| 05:36.16 | anoHito | Wyzard, i would never post those real info to public ,just for an example. |
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| 05:36.25 | jim | becaause it brings up the question of why it's there |
| 05:36.41 | anoHito | jim, me ? |
| 05:36.43 | enouf | ~o/ ...yeah, that woman .. she dunned mowed me down ... /o~ </the blues> O_o |
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| 05:37.33 | Wyzard | anoHito: Well, a username isn't generally sensitive or secret information, but I asked because if it were real, it might be a sign of a break-in |
| 05:37.34 | phorce1 | enouf: this fat boy can get up out of a shooting chair REALLY fast I discovered. I had left my "OH SH%^, IT'S NOT DEAD" pistol in my back pocket. Luckily the "IT'S NOT DEAD" hog decided to veer when he saw the motion. |
| 05:37.59 | anoHito | Wyzard, I see,thanks for reminding. |
| 05:38.39 | enouf | appends -navarone to phorce1 's nick :-: |
| 05:39.37 | unkhot | What is the way to get a 'minimal' debian chroot? I think that debootrap by default is very expansive ;P |
| 05:39.49 | Wyzard | unkhot: debootstrap is pretty minimal |
| 05:40.13 | jim | doesn't debootstrap install just the base? |
| 05:40.32 | Wyzard | unkhot: Take a look at its --variant option |
| 05:41.04 | Wyzard | unkhot: The default seems to be base system only |
| 05:41.37 | unkhot | ah ok thank you, anyway maybe you can help me with a problem that I have |
| 05:42.09 | jim | how can he help with a problem you don't have? :) |
| 05:42.47 | unkhot | I have a custom chroot with debian, it works fine except 'locales', I copied locale-gen on chroot to create a new one and it creates a locales, it is displayed using locale -a, but does not work, any idea how to work with locales under chroot? (non-debian deboostrap) |
| 05:43.06 | unkhot | jim: yes I have, locale problem :( |
| 05:43.39 | unkhot | cp -a /usr/share/i18* /usr/lib/local to chroot does not help too. |
| 05:44.04 | unkhot | I don't want to use dpkg-reconfigure locale since it suppose to install lots of tools, perl etc |
| 05:44.11 | unkhot | It is not possible 'manually' ? |
| 05:44.28 | jim | so this chroot doesn't have perl? |
| 05:44.33 | Guerin | unkhot: you need those things |
| 05:44.39 | Guerin | especially perl |
| 05:44.56 | Guerin | without it debian cannot function |
| 05:45.03 | Penix | unkhot: yeah. you've got a crippled, broken chroot. support yourself |
| 05:45.26 | Wyzard | unkhot: perl-base is Priority: required |
| 05:45.35 | Wyzard | though the rest of perl is not |
| 05:45.42 | unkhot | for locales like es_ES? |
| 05:45.55 | jim | or a non-crippled, non-broken but also non-debian chroot (which to your credit you did say) |
| 05:45.56 | Guerin | not for locales; for the OS to function as intended |
| 05:46.17 | unkhot | for apache only I think that perl is not mandatory |
| 05:46.24 | Guerin | you could let them all install and then remove the bit you don't want, but you might as well be running LFS or slack or something |
| 05:46.32 | Penix | unkhot: so, all you want to do is run apache chrooted? |
| 05:46.33 | unkhot | I only for apache chroot, but squirrelmail wants 'locales' |
| 05:46.56 | unkhot | Yes, the chroot works fine, but the problem is squirrelmail + locales, since apache uses systems locales |
| 05:47.03 | Wyzard | unkhot: doesn't matter what you're running in it... if you don't have the required base packages installed, it's not a supported Debian installation |
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| 05:47.44 | Wyzard | unkhot: and perl-base is rather small... Installed-size: 2332 |
| 05:48.01 | unkhot | well, is not for installation, is only for chroot a programa (apache) since I use debian, maybe someone here can help me to run locales, I only want that :) |
| 05:48.21 | unkhot | so, without perl locales does not work then? |
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| 05:48.31 | Wyzard | Apparently not |
| 05:48.40 | Wyzard | and it's probably not the only thing that won't work quite right |
| 05:48.58 | jim | without perl, the chroot is not debian (but, again, to your credit, you did say that) |
| 05:48.59 | Wyzard | How did you create this chroot? |
| 05:49.30 | unkhot | manually, mkdir /chroot, coping all libs and chroot /chroot /etc/init.d/apache start (quick idea) |
| 05:50.02 | unkhot | but for some reason, apache needs locales if I want to use another GUI (non-english), if not using C and POSIX are fine. |
| 05:50.05 | Penix | you should be able to chroot apache properly without doing any of that |
| 05:50.08 | enouf | schroot just allows for many and easier admin? is it even still available? never used it .. wondering if it would help there for unkhot on;y |
| 05:50.09 | Wyzard | unkhot: so, as jim said, it's not a Debian chroot; it's an ad-hoc unsupported chroot that happens to contain some Debian files |
| 05:50.11 | jim | unkhot: here's the problem... if the chroot is not debian, some folks here won't talk about it |
| 05:50.29 | unkhot | ups, sorry then :) |
| 05:50.43 | Wyzard | unkhot: You might be able to resolve your locales problem by running locale-gen -- the manpage says you're supposed to run that after editing /etc/locale.gen |
| 05:50.48 | unkhot | is non-debian, but it uses debian files ;P |
| 05:51.02 | jim | if it |
| 05:51.10 | unkhot | yes, I run that on chroot and it works, locale -a shows that, but export LC_ALL fails |
| 05:51.11 | Wyzard | unkhot: but you'll have other problems with your ad-hoc chroot, like not having any way to upgrade apache (e.g. for security fixes) |
| 05:51.13 | jim | isn't at least a complete base, it |
| 05:51.23 | enouf | heh, i forgot i have it installed :-P |
| 05:51.26 | Wyzard | unkhot: It'd be much simpler to just install an actual Debian chroot using debootstrap |
| 05:51.46 | jim | isn't debian |
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| 05:52.00 | jim | damn kbd :P |
| 05:52.20 | jim | belkin keyboards are CRAP |
| 05:52.55 | jim | let me get my loggytek |
| 05:52.59 | Wyzard | jim: I use a plain Dell keyboard that I bought for $13 USD and I'm pretty happy with it |
| 05:53.10 | unkhot | chroot /chroot/business/ /bin/locale -a | grep es_ES | head -1 it shows es_ES but under chroot, export LC_ALL=es_ES && locale locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 05:53.14 | unkhot | :( |
| 05:53.21 | enouf | i often hit <enter> when i meant ' ,it's my big fat fingers though, and kbds in general suck ass - as does typing ;-) |
| 05:53.27 | unkhot | Wyzard: yes, I think that is the only way |
| 05:55.34 | unkhot | I am trying to install it on my desktop, since on my server debootstrap fails because permision denied about /proc, because grsecurity denies it, yes I am not lucky :) |
| 05:56.25 | enouf | heh , custom kernel too :-p |
| 05:56.30 | unkhot | :) |
| 05:56.58 | Wyzard | unkhot: mount --bind /proc /chroot/proc |
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| 05:57.16 | unkhot | ok, I will try it then |
| 05:57.31 | enouf | might as well do /sys and others like /dev :-P |
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| 06:01.59 | Michom | is it possible to limit a process to a specified amount of cpu speed and memory size? |
| 06:02.10 | unkhot | Michom: yes, see limits.cfg |
| 06:02.55 | Michom | where should i find that config file? |
| 06:04.09 | internat85 | who feels like hitting me with the iptables rule to ban an ip addy for x days |
| 06:05.10 | cafuego | why ban it for X days when you could ban it forever? |
| 06:06.28 | unkhot | Wyzard: I have a strange problem now, W: Failure trying to run: chroot /chroot/etch mount -t proc proc /proc using mount --bind looks like deboostrap unmounts it before then when it tries to mount again fails |
| 06:06.48 | Wyzard | UnFred: hmm, oh well |
| 06:06.49 | Wyzard | oops |
| 06:06.51 | Wyzard | unkhot: oh well |
| 06:07.00 | Wyzard | unkhot: Use a kernel without grsec, I guess |
| 06:07.08 | Wyzard | unkhot: or build the chroot on another system and copy it over |
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| 06:07.27 | cafuego | unkhot: that bind mount should not run IN the chroot, but outside it. |
| 06:07.56 | unkhot | ahh, interesting then, I think that gentoo has deboostrap too, is the only distro that I have here, server uses a 'bad debian' ;P |
| 06:08.24 | unkhot | cafuego: Yes, but this --bind is a workaround to 'bypass' grsec. |
| 06:08.48 | enouf | wtf? |
| 06:08.53 | cafuego | unkhot: maybe, but the /proc *in* the chroot will be empty |
| 06:08.59 | cafuego | and as such not in any way useful |
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| 06:09.12 | unkhot | cafuego: is deboostrap that trys to put something |
| 06:09.26 | unkhot | for these reason fails. |
| 06:09.31 | jim | proc is a kernel mount |
| 06:09.42 | jim | it's not really files on a disk |
| 06:10.01 | unkhot | cafuego: deboostrap tries that W: Failure trying to run: chroot /chroot/etch mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 06:10.33 | cafuego | unkhot: But *that* is not a bind mount. |
| 06:10.43 | Wyzard | cafuego: The problem is that grsec apparently isn't letting debootstrap mount another procfs in the chroot directory |
| 06:10.45 | enouf | unkhot: why do you think there's a "debian" way? :-P you borkeded it |
| 06:10.55 | Wyzard | cafuego: and it tries to do so even if he does the bind-mount |
| 06:10.56 | unkhot | yes, but in this case cafuego, is grsec that denies it ... :( |
| 06:11.15 | jim | right, as it stands nothing about your system has a debian way :) |
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| 06:11.38 | unkhot | jim: hehehe |
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| 06:12.53 | enouf | we gotta cr4ck3R @_@ |
| 06:12.54 | unkhot | Is debian because is shipped by default in that dedicated server, of course I have bad habbits like those, so for now, I am a bad debian user :) I am tryin' to change that |
| 06:12.54 | jim | if you get to the mount point of the chroot, go north 2 miles, then turn left, go into the gas station and say "whar th hell am I?! and whar is debian way?" |
| 06:13.19 | jim | tht's not the issue at all |
| 06:13.25 | simonrvn | habit |
| 06:13.34 | enouf | hobbit? |
| 06:13.35 | unkhot | my english sucks too. |
| 06:13.37 | cafuego | unkhot: So disable grsecurity, build the chroot, re-enable it, bind mount. |
| 06:13.46 | simonrvn | enouf: who are you talking about? (/msg) |
| 06:13.57 | Guerin | naw, your english is better than some native speakers here |
| 06:14.08 | cafuego | HA! |
| 06:14.14 | cafuego | has kimchi yesterday |
| 06:14.18 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 06:14.22 | cafuego | s/s/d/ |
| 06:14.27 | Guerin | by `here' I mean in hashdweebian. Most of the offenders are from USia |
| 06:14.28 | jim | how was she? |
| 06:15.10 | Penix | *rimshot* |
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| 06:15.16 | unkhot | well, lots of thanks :) |
| 06:15.18 | DGMurdockIII | if you guys like metal www.kissthis.com is the place to listen to listen to any thing you want to here is there |
| 06:15.21 | cafuego | boom tish they're all here today |
| 06:15.27 | SQLDb | ugh |
| 06:15.32 | enouf | here there everywhere? |
| 06:15.35 | Guerin | DGMurdockIII: fuck off and impale yourself |
| 06:15.37 | cafuego | and if we like spam, visit #spammyircchannelplease |
| 06:15.40 | simonrvn | DGMurdockIII: go away |
| 06:15.51 | SQLDb | DGMurdockIII: generic spammer insult! |
| 06:15.59 | cafuego | SQLDb: harsh |
| 06:16.07 | Penix | totally |
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| 06:16.14 | SQLDb | cafuego: yeah. When I drink, I tend to fly off the hook... :( |
| 06:16.18 | cafuego | heh |
| 06:16.22 | enouf | DGMurdockIII: you should've said Crap rap to avoid the Guerin wrathage :-P |
| 06:16.29 | jim | DGMurdockIII: we like classical jazz folk stuff like what kennee gee does to natalie cole |
| 06:16.38 | cafuego | drinking alone is a capital offense, lets see that bottle... |
| 06:16.44 | Guerin | yeah, because I just looove 50 fucking cent |
| 06:17.11 | Penix | 50 cent? oh, he said *crap* rap |
| 06:17.13 | enouf | that's "fitty" |
| 06:17.14 | Penix | good |
| 06:17.32 | cafuego | sif theres any other sort of rap |
| 06:17.38 | Penix | !fruitsmite cafuego |
| 06:17.38 | dpkg | smites cafuego with a dozen oranges |
| 06:17.46 | Guerin | cafuego: your bald spot is showing |
| 06:17.50 | Penix | hehe |
| 06:17.53 | cafuego | Guerin: i polished it |
| 06:18.13 | simonrvn | Penix: look up "Samian", if you grok french; he does good rap. he's also Algonquin |
| 06:18.30 | cafuego | But I do stand by my statement. |
| 06:18.32 | Penix | simonrvn: bleh. one of my friends has been trying to push french stuff on me |
| 06:18.40 | Penix | haven't gotten in to it yet |
| 06:18.50 | jim | you do step on a statement?! |
| 06:18.53 | simonrvn | i'm not pushing :). |
| 06:19.06 | Penix | simonrvn: I'll check it out though |
| 06:19.15 | enouf | i hear the escargot homeys are a hit |
| 06:19.23 | enouf | hides |
| 06:19.32 | Penix | still got three tickets for a rescheduled Nas concert that'll happen $deity knows when |
| 06:19.49 | Penix | of course, 50 cent will show up for his Au tour on time ;) |
| 06:20.09 | Penix | hears OT alarms ringing |
| 06:20.24 | simonrvn | *DING* *DING* |
| 06:20.27 | jim | bang a gong |
| 06:20.28 | phorce1 | !sunday |
| 06:20.28 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 06:20.59 | simonrvn | it's monday here ;) |
| 06:21.04 | phorce1 | even without trolls it kind of tuns into OT day |
| 06:21.19 | jim | simonrvn: oh, -whew-, you missed it! |
| 06:21.20 | Penix | beats dealing with morons I guess |
| 06:21.46 | simonrvn | jim: i stayed away for the most part ;) |
| 06:21.54 | phorce1 | (but troll bashing frequently starts it) |
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| 06:23.38 | simonrvn | hopes this 'pecomato' fixes this pic |
| 06:23.53 | jim | Penix: if you don't want to deal with morons, then lobby to have an economic basis placed here... people who are clued and therefore easy to help can hang, others get redirected to a pay support channel frontdesk |
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| 06:41.41 | jetscreamer | stfu |
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| 06:53.18 | Dewi | ugh |
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| 06:53.29 | Dewi | when are people going to clean out all the 8 year outdated howtos and crap? |
| 06:53.50 | Dewi | googling 'debian pam' gets me the Securing Debian HOWTO from around 8 years ago... |
| 06:53.57 | liable | heh, i have a couple like that ;) |
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| 06:54.52 | Dewi | and *this* is a howto that is still being maintained... there are so many that aren't |
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| 06:58.36 | PythonNinja | is there anything i should think through before going from 32 bit to 64 bit? i build 99% of my software from source. |
| 06:58.49 | iateadonu1 | does anyone know anything about using debian to turn on and off other plugs? for example, if i've got my stereo connected to my computer which is my alarm clock, i'd like to not be running electricity to my stereo until a few minutes before the music starts playing in the morning. |
| 06:58.53 | kgoetz | you should think whats in the last 1% |
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| 07:05.08 | enouf | iateadonu1: you could look into WoL functionality and such (DMI, SMBUS, etc) |
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| 07:06.11 | dimir | wonders if it's true that all donut shops are full of cops in US |
| 07:06.22 | enouf | yep :-P |
| 07:06.30 | dimir | hehe |
| 07:06.30 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 07:06.42 | iateadonu1 | one of their duties is enforcing stereotypes. |
| 07:06.53 | dimir | :-) |
| 07:07.06 | pmv | hahaha |
| 07:07.27 | kgoetz | rofl |
| 07:07.41 | dimir | So the movies and toons tell the truth. :-) |
| 07:08.00 | dimir | And songs probably. |
| 07:09.38 | cafuego | suggests "you shouldn't be unsing debian" |
| 07:10.56 | dimir | ignores the suggestion |
| 07:11.46 | kgoetz | looks sideways at cafuego <drawl>'you aint from around here, are you boy?'</drawl> ;) |
| 07:12.00 | dimir | :-P |
| 07:12.45 | pmv | iateadonu1, there are toolkits for those things |
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| 07:13.06 | iateadonu1 | pmv, like what? |
| 07:13.23 | pmv | iateadonu1, or you can go old-skool and write an LPT (printer port) or serial interface to a PCB switching setup :) |
| 07:13.47 | pmv | iateadonu1, you can check thinkgeek for a bunch of USB toolkits |
| 07:13.58 | iateadonu1 | basically, i'd like to know what keywords to google for... |
| 07:14.02 | iateadonu1 | like you just said. |
| 07:14.11 | iateadonu1 | ok. i will try that. anything else? |
| 07:14.42 | pmv | i used to use an open library to write to LPT1, but this was in high school |
| 07:14.59 | pmv | http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/ would be my bet |
| 07:15.07 | unix_infidel | anyone here use virtualbox? |
| 07:15.58 | unix_infidel | how does it compare to vmware? |
| 07:16.06 | pmv | just google for serial or usb interface electronics toolkits I suppose |
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| 07:16.34 | pmv | wow, surprisingly, nothing of the like seems to be on thinkgeek |
| 07:16.59 | pmv | http://www.google.com/search?q=usb%20electronics%20hobby%20toolkit then |
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| 07:17.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | dont the japanese have powerboards that are controlable via serial/usb? |
| 07:18.28 | pmv | I bet they do |
| 07:18.32 | pmv | they are not hard to make |
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| 07:18.47 | pmv | just be sure to read and re-read the voltage specs |
| 07:18.59 | pmv | I remember burning out my printer port at least a couple times |
| 07:19.11 | dimir | giggles |
| 07:19.19 | pmv | 5 volts, people, 5 volts |
| 07:19.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 07:21.17 | pmv | iateadonu1, you comfortable enuff to roll your own breadboards? :) |
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| 07:21.31 | pmv | interesting stuff if you can hack it |
| 07:22.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | wishes he had a single electronnics capable cell in his brain |
| 07:22.44 | iateadonu1 | pmv, no. i doubt it. |
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| 07:23.01 | enouf | iateadonu1: any home timer that turns on the lights off/on automatically on a timer based unit will do - some use them for ACs when they are on their way home from work say |
| 07:23.18 | iateadonu1 | that's true, but my alarm clock is set with the sun. |
| 07:23.24 | iateadonu1 | sunrise. |
| 07:23.45 | iateadonu1 | so, it gets a minute faster or so every day for half the year, and a minute slower or so every day for the other half of the year. |
| 07:23.51 | phorce1 | coming into this late but ... gimme a sec to find the link iateadonu1, I have a serial operated relay used for someone to reboot a machine that one of hi clients regularly crashed. |
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| 07:24.40 | iateadonu1 | thanks. also, i'm in a 220V country, by the way. |
| 07:24.41 | enouf | iateadonu1: feeding electrical 30 minutes in advance today will last a month :-P |
| 07:24.54 | iateadonu1 | good point. |
| 07:25.03 | pmv | Kamping_Kaiser, someday someone will write a human API |
| 07:25.04 | pmv | :) |
| 07:25.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 07:25.13 | iateadonu1 | i think the idea is that i have a smart house someday. |
| 07:25.32 | pmv | iateadonu1, oh, that is exactly what I was workin on in high school |
| 07:25.37 | enouf | iateadonu1: tried #electronics? |
| 07:25.38 | pmv | cron jobs for lights, etc |
| 07:25.52 | iateadonu1 | so, it would also turn on the stereo in the living room, and play music on saturday right before sundown to alert the sabbath, and then turn all electricity off (but the fridge) on sabatth. |
| 07:26.02 | phorce1 | I'm looking for the link to the software. Voltage on the "other side" of it doesn't matter because it is assumed that the most easily purchased relay in your area will be compatible. |
| 07:26.03 | iateadonu1 | yes, tried #electronics. |
| 07:26.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | but the fridge, rofl |
| 07:26.10 | iateadonu1 | cron jobs for lights, etc, exactly. |
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| 07:26.31 | pmv | they have internet-ready fridges nowadays |
| 07:26.35 | iateadonu1 | Kamping_Kaiser - (as long as you don't restart the motor, there's no spark.) |
| 07:26.52 | pmv | they keep track of your stocks and can even make direct orders to grocery stores when supplies are low |
| 07:27.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | iateadonu1, i like to think theres no sparks in my stereo too... |
| 07:27.24 | pmv | the smart house thing is old though. my high school project was not good enough to make the science fair nationals |
| 07:28.20 | phorce1 | I think it was on instructables.com or one of the other DIY sites. |
| 07:28.28 | iateadonu1 | pmv, my intention is not to enter into a science fair... how far you get? |
| 07:28.57 | phorce1 | has many X-10 toys but am currently living in my office where I don't need them |
| 07:30.37 | iateadonu1 | maybe wireless smart house would get you into the national fair. |
| 07:31.16 | Cayn | Yes, so somebody can sit in their car outside and hack your house |
| 07:31.27 | pmv | iateadonu1, we made a model house. not much of anything new in it. just programmable cron'd switching, remote switching, etc |
| 07:31.48 | pmv | hmm |
| 07:32.14 | pmv | wireless would mean your appliances would have to be bluetooth/802.11b/g-cabpable |
| 07:32.27 | pmv | having a per-house centralized controller is good enough I think |
| 07:33.21 | iateadonu1 | i think a plug with an on/off switch that could be switched on and off with wireless would sell really well... |
| 07:33.33 | iateadonu1 | then you could cron the onoff. |
| 07:34.39 | internat85 | lol |
| 07:34.55 | pmv | but you have in-structure wiring anyway |
| 07:35.09 | pmv | you just need to control the house controller |
| 07:35.15 | pmv | factor out the tech |
| 07:35.40 | pmv | a switch with wireless would be too complex, and would eat power all the time |
| 07:35.44 | iateadonu1 | good point. |
| 07:36.57 | phorce1 | iateadonu1: http://stats.the-abbeys.com/blog/index.php?entry=entry060116-095620 |
| 07:36.59 | pmv | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/8dde/ <- this is next on my thinkgeek wishlist |
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| 07:37.12 | phorce1 | I used an ssr like he did -- not cheap |
| 07:37.34 | pmv | haha wow serial |
| 07:37.58 | pmv | are SSRs available in the usual shops? |
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| 07:38.25 | pmv | I imagine something like this would be availabe in quantity in akihabara |
| 07:38.29 | pmv | misses aki |
| 07:38.45 | phorce1 | pmw. It's all I needed here. there's one machine that is not mine that needs a hard power off sometimes. The owner can ssh into his other machine (to which the ssp is connected) and flip th power off/on |
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| 07:39.44 | pmv | holee. I learn something new everyday: |
| 07:39.47 | pmv | status := TIOCM_DTR; |
| 07:39.56 | pmv | there is something I have never done |
| 07:40.06 | phorce1 | pmv: I (and my one employee) were getting tired of doing it manually and spending USD $30 on an ssp was just faster than building a driver circuit for a standard relay |
| 07:40.21 | pmv | I would imagine it would be status |= TIOCM_DTR; |
| 07:40.26 | phorce1 | s/ssp/ssr/ |
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| 07:41.05 | pmv | thanks phorce1. I will stock up on said relays :) |
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| 07:42.17 | phorce1 | pmv: building the driver circuit and driving multiple relays via parallel would be more cost efficient. |
| 07:42.44 | pmv | yeah |
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| 07:43.17 | DGMurdockIII | reactos is waybetter |
| 07:43.24 | DGMurdockIII | no dont cry |
| 07:43.25 | pmv | these SSRs should come in arrays :) |
| 07:43.29 | pmv | lol DGMurdockIII |
| 07:43.32 | pmv | we love you too |
| 07:43.39 | DGMurdockIII | that your os sucks |
| 07:43.53 | simonrvn | DGMurdockIII: when you're done trolling, could you close the door? it's cold. thanks. |
| 07:43.55 | pmv | :)) |
| 07:44.00 | DGMurdockIII | no |
| 07:44.07 | DGMurdockIII | i'll leave it open |
| 07:44.21 | simonrvn | pushes DGMurdockIII out forcefully |
| 07:44.27 | simonrvn | !ops DGMurdockIII trolling |
| 07:44.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: DGMurdockIII trolling |
| 07:44.51 | DGMurdockIII | puck |
| 07:45.06 | DGMurdockIII | suck a boot |
| 07:45.36 | simonrvn | what? i couldn't hear you over the /ignore |
| 07:45.37 | DGMurdockIII | reactos is going to kill linux |
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| 07:45.45 | pmv | DGMurdockIII, omg you are right |
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| 07:45.51 | fignew | lol |
| 07:45.54 | phorce1 | pmv: Prices kinda suck but ... http://www.controlanything.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? |
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| 07:45.56 | pmv | switches |
| 07:46.03 | DGMurdockIII | reacos is going to kill linux |
| 07:46.07 | DGMurdockIII | eactos |
| 07:46.18 | pmv | does not help you spell better though, it seems |
| 07:46.20 | pmv | :) |
| 07:46.24 | fignew | wow! DGMurdockIII you're right! reactos looks awesome |
| 07:46.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | failtroll is fail. |
| 07:46.41 | liable | dont feed the troll guys |
| 07:46.42 | fignew | ;) |
| 07:46.50 | phorce1 | gotta love it when a troll can't even spell what he's trying to spam you with |
| 07:46.56 | DGMurdockIII | reactos is gooing to be great |
| 07:46.57 | pmv | hehe |
| 07:46.58 | phorce1 | liable: sorry |
| 07:47.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, evening :) |
| 07:47.09 | liable | hola |
| 07:47.24 | pmv | as you fail to show any human intelligence, we shall assume you are a troll bot |
| 07:47.39 | pmv | that has particularly bad spelling routines |
| 07:47.52 | k-man__ | if i am running testing, can i mark a package so that it always installs from unstable? |
| 07:48.00 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:48.12 | simonrvn | pinning it, yes |
| 07:48.20 | phorce1 | pmv, iateadonu1, Did you see the WiFi relay controller on the site I just linked? There ya go, just what you wanted. |
| 07:48.48 | simonrvn | k-man__: man apt_preferences |
| 07:49.04 | pmv | phorce1, ah, yes. but this would be the switching controller. it would be impractical to have every appliance or outlet wifi-enabled |
| 07:49.10 | pmv | pretty nice set they have though |
| 07:49.20 | k-man__ | so pining can hold a package back but theres not an equivalent to get a package from a less stable release? |
| 07:49.56 | k-man__ | oh, you can give priorities for packages |
| 07:50.00 | Penix | less stable? |
| 07:50.11 | k-man__ | well, i mean from unstable as oppsed to stable |
| 07:50.16 | k-man__ | opposed |
| 07:50.41 | iateadonu1 | phorce1, thank you. |
| 07:51.28 | simonrvn | !ping |
| 07:51.28 | dpkg | pong |
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| 07:53.26 | k-man__ | so can you use wild cards in the package name in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 07:54.55 | phorce1 | iateadonu1: I don't see linux based control software on their site. If you choose to get one of their products make sure you get some sort of data sheet so you can write the drivers. |
| 07:55.26 | pmv | yeah, some of these are abstracted in software |
| 07:55.47 | pmv | the ethernet controller for example mounts as a virtual COM port |
| 07:56.09 | pmv | you can probably get hardware or signalling specs .. |
| 07:56.22 | phorce1 | pmv: As I suspect their "control 4|8|16|32 relays" via a single serial port are. |
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| 07:57.59 | phorce1 | here's a site showing serial relay control using discreet components rather than an expensive ssr. http://www.windmeadow.com/node/4 |
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| 07:58.39 | pmv | ohhh |
| 07:59.21 | pmv | dude you are full of useful info :) |
| 07:59.55 | phorce1 | pmv: the ssr site and this last one actually have links to each other on them |
| 08:00.31 | pmv | is usb 5v also? |
| 08:01.10 | phorce1 | pmv: usb has a 5V power component, I don't know if that's also the control voltage |
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| 08:03.18 | enouf | http://www.epanorama.net/index2.php?section=circuits&index=computer have fun :-P |
| 08:03.39 | iateadonu1 | enouf, thank yo. |
| 08:04.11 | jim | popup window blocked!! damn you enouf! you make poppyups! |
| 08:04.48 | jim | evil popups :P |
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| 08:05.18 | pmv | enouf, thanks |
| 08:05.45 | enouf | iateadonu1: more; http://www.beyondlogic.org/ and http://www.lucidtechnologies.info/docs.htm and http://www.easysw.com/~mike/serial/serial.html |
| 08:05.52 | jim | let's see if it blocks if I do it again in a row... |
| 08:05.57 | enouf | you too pmv ;-) |
| 08:07.07 | enouf | jim: there are popups there? lmao .. i would never know ;-) |
| 08:07.21 | enouf | jim: links2 -g has no concept of that ;-) |
| 08:07.59 | pmv | I see no popups |
| 08:08.03 | pmv | I foil thee! |
| 08:08.11 | iateadonu1 | enouf, thank you again. |
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| 08:08.25 | enouf | np |
| 08:08.31 | nadar | good morning |
| 08:08.53 | jim | removes the foil from his hands... |
| 08:08.59 | jim | hate getting foiled |
| 08:09.09 | nadar | is there somewhere a howto to configure my keyboard correct for deadacut or dead acute grave? |
| 08:10.01 | nadar | i didn't find a working one with searchmachines |
| 08:10.23 | jim | so |
| 08:10.28 | pmv | deadacut? |
| 08:10.37 | jim | you must have a history of what you tried so far |
| 08:11.18 | nadar | pmv, deadacute |
| 08:11.19 | pmv | is this some sort of foreign charset input mechanism ? |
| 08:12.04 | nadar | i miss chars like ^ ´`~ for typing é è â õ |
| 08:12.24 | nadar | here i am on a gentoo-box |
| 08:12.25 | pmv | well with emacs I use LEIM |
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| 08:12.44 | nadar | i want to have that chars everywhere |
| 08:13.29 | nadar | how could i type ~/ ..? |
| 08:13.39 | jim | what do they say on #gentoo/. |
| 08:13.48 | jim | ? |
| 08:13.49 | nadar | jim, i tried kbd-configure |
| 08:14.11 | nadar | jim, i didn't ask there because i hav a debian here |
| 08:14.24 | nadar | <= this is a znc |
| 08:14.30 | nadar | Linux gentooc2d 2.6.24-gentoo-r3 |
| 08:14.37 | nadar | Linux c2d-deb 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 08:15.16 | nadar | the i tried it with the gnom-control-center and dead acute and dead acute grave - didn't work |
| 08:15.36 | nadar | then i tried it with "xkblayot "deadacute" in the xorg.conbf |
| 08:15.42 | nadar | *-b |
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| 08:16.01 | nadar | *+ ortho :/ |
| 08:16.24 | bluecake | how to capture all the text displayed on terminal? as in the buffer. i use ssh, and want to capture all out put during that session |
| 08:16.38 | Spee_Der | enouf, thanks for those links. They are most handy, and no popup's here mate. |
| 08:17.12 | enouf | :-) |
| 08:17.16 | Spee_Der | bluecake, I edited the default profile and set the scrolling for 10,000 lines. This helped. |
| 08:17.25 | enouf | jim: your browser sucks :-P |
| 08:17.52 | Spee_Der | I think Jim is using a foil browser v0.3-7x |
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| 08:18.18 | jim | I'm missing the hat... |
| 08:18.25 | Spee_Der | o |
| 08:19.01 | Spee_Der | The latest hat version is 4.0a |
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| 08:20.12 | nadar | no suggestions for keyboard-setup? :( |
| 08:20.28 | Spee_Der | I maaged to get xchat to implement IPv6. Now, if I can just get the APRS to do the same. |
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| 08:36.05 | ricosecada | Is it safe to run debian testing in production? Or is it better to run stable+backports? |
| 08:37.06 | jim | given you know what the words mean... that should be up to you |
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| 08:39.45 | ricosecada | I don't know how "testing" testing is, but I have read about some people running it in production environments. I would prefer the original debian packages over backports. |
| 08:40.51 | heroxbd | Hi, I want to convert a 10G VirtualBox VDI image to a 20G one. I tried to use Norton Ghost inside the guest machine, but failed. Is there a good way to do this? |
| 08:41.08 | jim | perhaps you should define production... what is it the box will be producing? |
| 08:41.10 | cafuego | ricosecada: I use lenny in production, buit on a closely monitored box |
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| 08:41.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | heroxbd, ask a virtualbox channel? |
| 08:42.03 | heroxbd | Kam: I will try it. |
| 08:43.08 | ricosecada | cafuego, the package versions available in "testing" or "unstable" may in fact be more "stable" in terms of program crashes, and they sometimes has added functionality. |
| 08:44.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | suspects cafuego is aware of that |
| 08:44.31 | cafuego | has been aware of that for longer than some people have been out of diapers |
| 08:44.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
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| 08:45.07 | cafuego | what with MY BALD SPOT SHOWING, ey Guerin |
| 08:45.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | passes cafuego over his walker |
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| 08:45.29 | cafuego | shakes his fist at you |
| 08:45.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | hides behind something *very* solid |
| 08:45.48 | cafuego | snorts and has a coughing fit |
| 08:45.50 | pmv | fetchez la vachez! |
| 08:45.52 | jim | stop shaking my fist at you! |
| 08:46.00 | cafuego | !eye jim |
| 08:46.01 | dpkg | raises cafuego's eyebrow at jim |
| 08:46.31 | jim | is that really comfortable? :) |
| 08:46.45 | cafuego | as long as it washes its bot hands |
| 08:47.14 | jim | with hydrochloric acid, once a day, whether it needs it or not! |
| 08:47.28 | cafuego | well, excellent |
| 08:48.40 | liable | monobrow? |
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| 08:49.12 | cafuego | leaves that there and instead goes off to forage |
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| 08:52.18 | Spee_Der | Off to work again, have a great day folks and stay warm.... .. |
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| 09:04.45 | Ergo^ | hello, i want to report a serious bug to debian lenny installer, but im unsure how to do so, can anyone point me to something else than reporttool ? |
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| 09:05.34 | smhar | in my debian testing notebook, I am creating a virtual debian stable for LAMP testing, but I can not seem to be able to connect the two together. No ping works |
| 09:05.40 | atomic__ | hello everybody, i am trying to accomplish this in the sudoers file...i want to use "runaspw" to specify a user whose password should be used with sudo (every escalation of privilege), but i am not sure about the syntax of the sudoers file, i've already screwed up the sudoers file once, had to fix it with a livecd, anyone with similar experience?? |
| 09:07.16 | Iradieh | is away: I'm a goner! |
| 09:07.41 | Cobra| | smhar: which vm software are you using? |
| 09:07.51 | Cobra| | qemu for example doesn't support ping |
| 09:07.52 | Iradieh | is back (gone 00:00:17) |
| 09:08.24 | Iradieh | is away: I'm a goner! |
| 09:10.34 | liable | !tell Iradieh -about away |
| 09:11.26 | smhar | Cobra|: virtualbox |
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| 09:20.02 | cjsstables | morning all. I'm doing a half wit install of debian. Starting with min install frrom an AMD64 net install disk. Next I will upgrade to testing distro. My next step after that is to install the gnome desktop, but I don't know what the aptitude package name is for the complete gnome install. Does anyone know this? |
| 09:21.01 | kgoetz | cjsstables: just select desktop during install |
| 09:21.59 | cjsstables | I don't want to do that cause in my install is from debian etch. I'll have to dl all of that and then turn around and upgrade everything when I move it to testing |
| 09:22.14 | kgoetz | why dont you get a testing netinstall cd? |
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| 09:22.34 | cjsstables | couldn't find one for the amd64 |
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| 09:23.32 | cjsstables | so would it be aptitude install gnome-desktop? |
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| 09:24.11 | kgoetz | cjsstables: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ it seems to be there |
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| 09:25.20 | rwp | cjsstables, If you didn't install the Desktop environment during the initial installation then you can run 'tasksel' and install it later. |
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| 09:26.34 | quincy | I just upgraded from etch to lenny and I'm running into a "waiting for root filesystem" error message when I boot up. All the fixed I've found require that I compile my kernel myself, but all I did was change the etch entries in my sources file to lenny and did a dist-upgrade. Is there a way to fix it without having to recompile everything? |
| 09:27.15 | kgoetz | kernel != everything |
| 09:27.27 | rwp | What that will do will be to run aptitude and install all of the applications tagged desktop and gnome-desktop. |
| 09:27.46 | rwp | I am pretty sure you can get the same affect with: aptitude -q --without-recommends -y install '~t^desktop$' '~t^gnome-desktop$' |
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| 09:29.09 | rwp | Or maybe that should be: aptitude install '~t^desktop$' '~t^gnome-desktop$' |
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| 09:29.44 | quincy | Or am I better off just doing a clean install since the dist-upgrade method doesn't seem to be very reliable? |
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| 09:33.04 | rwp | quincy, I don't know what problem you are having but I have never needed to reinstall. Been using a desktop upgraded from Potato to Woody to Sarge to Etch okay. But those were all stable to stable upgrades. |
| 09:33.47 | enouf | !install gnome |
| 09:33.47 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 09:35.52 | quincy | rwp: I went from etch to lenny since I needed the newer versions of some packages and didn't want to be forced to compile all of them. I changed the etch references in sources.lst to lenny and did a update/dist-upgrade which seemed to go smoothly until I rebooted. Then it gave me that "waiting for root filesystem" error and just hung there. On the Grub menu I see both the old kernel version and the current one. The old version still boots fine s |
| 09:36.30 | Penix | quincy: there's a reason backports exist |
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| 09:36.59 | Penix | quincy: if the old version boots fine, and it's got support for everything you need, then keep using it |
| 09:37.23 | Penix | quincy: atleast until you figure out what's going wrong |
| 09:38.04 | enouf | quincy: did you read/follow all on "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" ? |
| 09:38.09 | quincy | Penix: I'm just backing everything up and going to do a fresh installation since I can't even reboot the machine without being physically there (or messing with grub, which I'd rather leave alone) |
| 09:38.10 | rwp | quincy, Your dist-upgrade should have worked okay. |
| 09:38.16 | enouf | as /topic notes |
| 09:38.50 | Penix | is libata standard in the latest debian kernels? |
| 09:39.04 | Penix | as in, enabled by default |
| 09:39.23 | rwp | quincy, Penix has good advice. Use the old kernel until you can understand why the new kernel isn't booting. Common suspects are initrd problems. |
| 09:39.58 | enouf | i wonder if dpkg-reconfigure would allow you to do; "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-NEW-ONE" while booted to oldie |
| 09:40.19 | quincy | Shouldn't a fresh install fix that since it seems to be a problem with the upgrade method and not the actual install method? |
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| 09:40.38 | enouf | Penix: sure, afaik |
| 09:40.38 | Penix | quincy: of course a reinstall might fix it, but the upgrade *should* have worked |
| 09:40.42 | Penix | something obviously went wrong |
| 09:40.53 | rwp | quincy, A fresh install of what? Etch? That should just get you back to the old kernel which you already have. |
| 09:41.08 | smhar | how to create a bridge networking between a virtual debian and a host debian? |
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| 09:41.22 | enouf | brctl ? |
| 09:41.34 | Penix | quincy: boot the old kernel and check the new kernel's config file to make sure it hasn't got certain drivers disabled that were enabled in the old one |
| 09:42.01 | Penix | quincy: or something like libata. maybe the etch kernel was using the older ide/ata drivers and something hasn't been changed to accomodate the change |
| 09:42.14 | Penix | ch ch ch changes |
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| 09:42.19 | rwp | quincy, You might try pointing to Sid and installing the latest kernel from there. Check that module-init-tools is new enough. |
| 09:42.32 | Penix | no. don't do that |
| 09:42.40 | enouf | it's even possible your hda is now renamed to sda |
| 09:42.51 | Penix | yeah, if it is a libata issue |
| 09:42.55 | Penix | just a wild guess though |
| 09:43.25 | rwp | Penix, Why not? In for a penny, in for a pound. Once off of stable you might as well go to Sid. I am running a Sid kernel on my laptop which is otherwise Stable. |
| 09:43.29 | smhar | I was told to make virtualbox to use the 'host interface' instead of NAT, but it complains that 'Failed to initialize Host Interface Networking.' and 'VBox status code: -3100 (VERR_HOSTIF_INIT_FAILED)' |
| 09:43.58 | Penix | rwp: just seems to be a borked situation already. spose it can't get much worse |
| 09:44.12 | quincy | well tbh this is all going a bit over my head |
| 09:44.26 | quincy | i'm just starting out with linux and figured debian would be a good place to start learning |
| 09:44.37 | rwp | If you are careful about kernel install then it doesn't pull in other things. Which means that you can always go back to the Stable kernel. |
| 09:44.51 | quincy | so for now i guess i'll just do a fresh install and hope it all goes okay |
| 09:45.04 | enouf | no, lol |
| 09:45.15 | rwp | Debian is really a framework where there is a very high level of flexibility. |
| 09:45.17 | Penix | quincy: if you're planning on doing a fresh install of etch and just upgrading again, it's probably gonna turn out the same way |
| 09:45.26 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.34 | quincy | Penix: fresh install of lenny, i'm downloading the iso now |
| 09:45.50 | Penix | quincy: upgrading is one of Debian's strengths. you've obviously just come across some sort of hiccup in the kernel version transition |
| 09:45.54 | rwp | As you gain experience you will come to love the flexibility. Other systems lock you into a rigid system where you must live with other people's choices. |
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| 09:46.03 | enouf | you'll never learn anything that way ;-) |
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| 09:46.41 | enouf | a working booted kernel is fine, that's all you need .. and READ! |
| 09:47.12 | liable | !be a reading barbie |
| 09:47.12 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 09:48.34 | quincy | i dont mind reading but I don't like starting out with an OS install that seems screwed up from the get-go. |
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| 09:48.45 | enouf | quincy: it's likely a couple of edits to a couple of files; edit in grub boot shell, where your NEW kernel lines are, alter all hda1 -> sda1 |
| 09:49.25 | enouf | it's not, unless you seriously are witholding info |
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| 09:50.13 | enouf | like RAID 5 on Encrypted LVM using dmraided, fakeraidf in Onboard BIOS crap O_o |
| 09:50.51 | quincy | nope, it's just a crappy old 500mhz computer with an IDE hard drive (15gb). nothing exotic about it, just your standard old computer |
| 09:51.24 | enouf | i run a lenny/sid mix on my lowly p2 350 ;-) |
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| 09:52.14 | enouf | 8.4GB (primary. '/' FS) HDD ftw ;-P |
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| 09:54.17 | enouf | quincy: you also want then to edit /etc/fstab in the same way - HOWEVER, /etc/fstab edits affect alll your boot ups, no matter which kernel |
| 09:54.22 | enouf | now, go learn |
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| 09:54.30 | enouf | er practice ;-) |
| 09:54.54 | enouf | might as well really kill it if you're going to reinstall from scratch |
| 09:55.09 | enouf | and likely learn something in the processs |
| 09:55.20 | rwp | Nothing ventured, nothing gained. |
| 09:55.32 | enouf | you don't want to run into these issues when you can't boot at all - and rreally need your files |
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| 10:00.23 | reZo | what's a good terminal which has fullscreen capabilities, is fast, and small in size? |
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| 10:06.11 | rwp | reZo, xterm is pretty standard. Some people really like rxvt. It is all personal preference. |
| 10:06.43 | vlt | Hello. Is there a -t option for mount to directly access an initrd.gz? I tried cramfs, ramfs, romfs which didn't work ... |
| 10:07.51 | enouf | not that i know of, you need to gunzip it first |
| 10:08.36 | reZo | rwp: i'm currently using xterm, but it doesn't allow fullscreen which saddens me |
| 10:08.37 | enouf | atleast with cpio gz initramfs ones .. 2.6.12+ ish in debian |
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| 10:09.15 | enouf | zcat /initrd.gz |
| 10:09.25 | enouf | zcat /initrd.gz | cpio -i |
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| 10:11.31 | vlt | enouf: Thank you. |
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| 10:13.22 | rwp | reZo, What do you mean xterm doesn't allow full screen? I use that all of the time. |
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| 10:14.09 | pmv | reZo, sure it does |
| 10:14.40 | pmv | do you mean that xterm limits text output to a certain window, even if the window maximized? |
| 10:14.52 | pmv | if so the shell is not getting the resize event |
| 10:15.40 | enouf | wow. hehe, konsole does full screen .. cool :-) |
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| 10:16.22 | enouf | reZo: xterm shouldn't be referred to as terminal or console |
| 10:16.59 | reZo | rwp, pmv: by fullscreen i mean like gnome-terminal's --full-screen option, |
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| 10:17.08 | reZo | how do i make xterm fullscreen alike that? |
| 10:17.44 | rwp | I have no idea what gnome-terminal --full-screen does. How is that different from xterm running full screen? |
| 10:18.35 | Coweater | only way you're likely to do that is to tell your window manager to do it |
| 10:18.49 | reZo | fullscreen as in no window decoration / border, and nothing else apart from the "terminal" being on your screen... |
| 10:18.57 | reZo | Coweater: yeah, thought so |
| 10:19.02 | Coweater | might not be possible depending on your wm |
| 10:19.11 | rwp | Definitely a window manager function. |
| 10:19.22 | rwp | You might try Control-Alt-F1 and use that. |
| 10:19.40 | rwp | Alt-F7 to get back to X11. |
| 10:19.50 | rwp | Assuming X is running on vt7. |
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| 10:20.07 | rwp | shudders to think that he did that and won't know how to get back! |
| 10:20.10 | reZo | heh, would prefer my wm to make it fullscreen than changing vt's |
| 10:20.40 | reZo | lol, yeah, x is running on vt7 for me ;p |
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| 10:21.02 | rwp | heh, in my preferred window manager it is simply "Style "xterm" NoTitle, NoHandles, Sticky, WindowListSkip,BorderWidth 0 |
| 10:21.18 | ixnay | l |
| 10:21.24 | rwp | I have no idea how to do that in GNOME and I rather doubt it is possible there. |
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| 10:22.02 | reZo | i'm running fluxbox, not gnome |
| 10:22.13 | rwp | you mentioned gnome-terminal so I assumed. |
| 10:22.16 | reZo | was using gnome as reference for gnome-terminal's --full-screen |
| 10:22.19 | reZo | yeah, :) |
| 10:22.20 | rwp | It is probably possible in fluxbox. |
| 10:22.32 | hefty | does anyone knows what kind of desklet this is: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Screenshot-6.png |
| 10:22.37 | rwp | The gnome-terminal that I just tried doesn't have a --full-screen option. |
| 10:22.50 | reZo | rwp: odd |
| 10:23.09 | Penix | reZo: might be able to use something like devilspie |
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| 10:23.22 | reZo | i'll check it out thanks, |
| 10:25.01 | enouf | reZo: sometimes F11 will toggle it |
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| 10:25.22 | reZo | doesn't for xterm |
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| 10:25.27 | enouf | reZo: with konsole i can have nothing but my tabs showing ;-) |
| 10:25.42 | enouf | (/me <3s the tabs) |
| 10:25.50 | reZo | hehe |
| 10:27.07 | liable | wants to put one in his eee |
| 10:27.14 | liable | doh |
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| 10:29.25 | yang | I did fdformat /dev/fd0 and when i try mounting that i get error : you must specify filesystem type, which one is it? |
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| 10:30.06 | enouf | reZo: er, is fluxbox your WM or Session manager? what's update-alternatives --config x-session-manager {x-window-manager} say? |
| 10:30.34 | rwp | yang, After doing an fdformat did you use mkfs to put a filesystem on it? |
| 10:30.38 | enouf | yang: er. none yet? |
| 10:30.42 | enouf | mkfs on it |
| 10:31.08 | yang | ah, right |
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| 10:31.44 | enouf | reZo: just guessing you might still be using icewm or metacity ? |
| 10:32.23 | reZo | metacity yeah, |
| 10:32.31 | yang | mkfs -v -t vfat /dev/fd0 ; mkfs.ext2: invalid blocks count - /dev/fd0 |
| 10:33.04 | enouf | hrm, well , mine is kwin, which i don't think is very heavily tied into all the KDE bloat |
| 10:33.35 | enouf | yang: er, mkdosfs ? |
| 10:34.05 | enouf | you want fat12 i think |
| 10:34.28 | enouf | or ext2, not -t vfat though |
| 10:34.54 | enouf | i make mine ext2 |
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| 10:36.19 | laurly | anyone got a min to help with shorewall need to add an ip to it. rather have help since i have only done it once before |
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| 10:36.26 | enouf | yang: vfat is for fat32, mkdosfs -F nn .. where nn is 12 | 16 | 32 but don't use 32 on floppy |
| 10:36.57 | rwp | yang, Do you have dosfstools installed? If not you will need it for the mkfs.dos command. |
| 10:37.48 | enouf | yes, mkfs.fat and mkfs.vfat are hardlinks to mkdosfs, iirc |
| 10:38.10 | ana | hola |
| 10:38.53 | niru | how can I add crawler to my website |
| 10:39.03 | niru | but updating my news information |
| 10:39.10 | ana | habla alguien español |
| 10:39.19 | enouf | bah they're Softlinks |
| 10:39.24 | enouf | not hard ones |
| 10:39.54 | enouf | !se ana |
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| 10:39.58 | enouf | !se |
| 10:39.58 | dpkg | somebody said se was Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net). |
| 10:40.06 | enouf | wtf? |
| 10:40.10 | enouf | !es |
| 10:40.10 | aleksanteri | heh |
| 10:40.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:40.30 | enouf | ana: ^^^^^ |
| 10:40.35 | Mateusz | Hi people |
| 10:40.36 | ana | que |
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| 10:40.56 | Mateusz | Should i get a mac or a pc? |
| 10:40.59 | enouf | !+tell ana about es |
| 10:40.59 | dpkg | told ana about es (Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.) |
| 10:41.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | macs are pc's |
| 10:41.07 | ana | si |
| 10:41.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | on all levels |
| 10:41.24 | ana | y tu |
| 10:41.36 | enouf | ana: or habla englese aqui ;-) |
| 10:41.42 | aleksanteri | hm, is there any way to install kde4 on debian testing, i've played around with /etc/apt/sources.list but always there's a broken dependency |
| 10:41.42 | ana | no |
| 10:41.46 | enouf | ok |
| 10:42.08 | ana | yu hablas español |
| 10:42.14 | niru | how can I add crawler to my website |
| 10:42.16 | enouf | rofl troll |
| 10:42.40 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 10:42.40 | dpkg | kde4 is, like, a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
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| 10:43.32 | aleksanteri | geez. how am i supposed to type that url in a terminal? o_o |
| 10:44.07 | enouf | use a text/console browser, simple ;-) |
| 10:44.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | aleksanteri, with your fingers :) |
| 10:44.11 | amphi | aleksanteri: you could run gpm, although neither url is particularly long |
| 10:44.28 | enouf | nor cryptic |
| 10:44.34 | enouf | like google ones :-P |
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| 10:46.13 | enouf | aleksanteri: can you get your cursor to the line where the URL is at? |
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| 10:46.35 | Ergo^ | hello mates |
| 10:47.24 | Ergo^ | i got 2 machines running lenny, one of them has radeon9600pro and it seems that the driver is very slow - like it hot acceleration disabled by default is that possible ? |
| 10:47.36 | aleksanteri | enouf, i'm in tty :P |
| 10:47.49 | enouf | well duh |
| 10:47.59 | liable | gpm ftw |
| 10:48.03 | enouf | that's not what i asked |
| 10:48.21 | rwp | E You are right. It is not accelerated by default. What driver are you using? 'radeon'? |
| 10:48.51 | Ergo^ | rwp, just have a fresh install of os, did not touched any gfx settings |
| 10:49.18 | Ergo^ | how can i select the ddrive use dpkg-reconfigure xserver ? |
| 10:49.21 | rwp | Ergo^, 'grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf' for me. Does it say 'ati'? |
| 10:49.24 | enouf | it amazes me that the superior 9600-9800 series can't even do as well as the 7500 |
| 10:49.29 | Ergo^ | 1 sec |
| 10:49.38 | enouf | i mean i kind of know why, but |
| 10:50.37 | rwp | enouf, I think the 9600 compares favorably with the 7500. But closed source drivers mean that the free ones are not accelerated. Only the closed source vendor drivers have 3D acceleration. |
| 10:50.59 | Ergo^ | rwp driver is ati |
| 10:51.25 | rwp | Ergo^, As is my thinkpad that I am using right now. Sorry. No accelerated driver there. |
| 10:51.53 | rwp | For 3D acceleration you would need to install the closed source proprietary ATI driver from their site. |
| 10:52.16 | rwp | I don't need it that bad and I have not done it. StarCraft runs fine with the free driver. :-) |
| 10:52.16 | Ergo^ | hmm... compiz worked without properietary driver |
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| 10:52.38 | Ergo^ | its just that the whole window manager seems slow for some reason |
| 10:52.40 | rwp | Maybe I am overstating the problem. What is your glxgears benchmark? |
| 10:53.29 | rwp | Try: glxgears -printfps |
| 10:54.04 | rwp | I get about 1700fps on a 1.7GHz Pentium-M thinkpad with the ATI 9600. |
| 10:54.06 | Ergo^ | hmm.. what package was glxgears, id need to fetch it first |
| 10:54.11 | enouf | rwp: i mean the 7000-9500 or 9250 have it enabled .. whatever happened to backwards compatibillty? |
| 10:54.16 | enouf | :-P |
| 10:54.18 | rwp | mesa-utils |
| 10:54.21 | Ergo^ | thx |
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| 10:55.27 | enouf | !glxgears |
| 10:55.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 10:56.09 | rwp | enouf, I think the underlying graphics engine changed and therefore the old driver no longer worked. |
| 10:56.43 | enouf | makes sense |
| 10:56.44 | rwp | Intel seems to have the best free software display drivers. But the hardware is not anywhere near as fast as nVidia for example. |
| 10:56.57 | enouf | RV revision too great |
| 10:57.20 | rwp | Huh? Is that an error message from glxgears? Hmm... |
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| 10:57.34 | enouf | rwp: intel makes open their drivers, but they're are nasty and bloated |
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| 10:57.59 | enouf | atleast their wifi ones are |
| 10:58.05 | Saga^ | its ergo here on another pc |
| 10:58.10 | Saga^ | what was the command to have fps ? |
| 10:58.21 | rwp | Try: glxgears -printfps |
| 10:58.37 | Saga^ | doesnt work |
| 10:58.41 | rwp | Let it run for a few seconds and stabilize and it should print out fps every 5 seconds. |
| 10:58.45 | rwp | Error message? |
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| 10:59.08 | Saga^ | rwp i get usage info, like the switch for fps is wrong |
| 10:59.17 | Saga^ | glxgears works - but slow |
| 10:59.26 | Saga^ | and i got 100%cpu for xorg |
| 10:59.37 | rwp | Don't be fooled by it looking slow. The strobe affect can fool you. |
| 10:59.54 | Saga^ | maybe its that |
| 10:59.57 | rwp | You have a different (probably newer) version and as enouf mentioned it probably needs a different magic option. |
| 11:00.00 | Saga^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.10 | Saga^ | 720 frames in 5.4 seconds = 134.414 FPS |
| 11:00.29 | rwp | enough asked dpkgbot to say -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 11:00.37 | rwp | Try that. |
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| 11:00.53 | rwp | !glxgears |
| 11:00.53 | dpkg | somebody said glxgears was an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
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| 11:00.58 | MikeSeth | hey guys |
| 11:01.10 | MikeSeth | how do I get the kernel to log userland segfaults? |
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| 11:02.05 | Penix | I thought it did by default... |
| 11:02.15 | cafuego | wow, impressive cold front |
| 11:02.20 | Penix | well, the kernel doesn't |
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| 11:02.26 | PythonNinja | !ati |
| 11:02.26 | MikeSeth | well apparently not if the signal gets handled |
| 11:02.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. |
| 11:02.47 | MikeSeth | the problem is, I have a closed source C++ component that runs from Java JNI |
| 11:02.52 | cafuego | something like apparmor would |
| 11:02.55 | MikeSeth | and that s**t crashes from time to time |
| 11:03.11 | cafuego | MikeSeth: patch the allocator and write a log entry if it returns SIGSEGV |
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| 11:03.27 | Saga^ | hmm.. it seems that they disabled benchmarking completly that flag doesnt work anyway |
| 11:03.33 | MikeSeth | gah |
| 11:03.50 | MikeSeth | ill just have upstream disable the signal handler |
| 11:04.36 | enouf | rwp: the bot option is a joke ;-) |
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| 11:04.45 | rwp | Saga^, Try running strings on the binary and seeing if the spelling is different. |
| 11:05.07 | rwp | enouf, Oh? Well okay. I fell for it. |
| 11:05.16 | rwp | But it helped that they previously moved the fps to an option. |
| 11:05.39 | enouf | rwp: the option -printfps works for me here, but only in console, xterm upchucks or something |
| 11:06.11 | rwp | glxgears -printfps definitely works in mesa-utils 6.3.2 in Stable. |
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| 11:06.13 | enouf | rwp: actually scratch that |
| 11:06.13 | MikeSeth | cafuego: wasnt there a /proc option to have the kernel explicitly log segfaults? |
| 11:06.16 | Younix | any of you guys use xmms? |
| 11:06.42 | enouf | rwp: the option -printfps works for me here in both, if i wait more the 5 seconds O_o |
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| 11:07.03 | enouf | 456 frames in 5.7 seconds = 79.344 FPS <== w00h00 .. Console gets ~100 though :-P |
| 11:07.22 | rwp | enouf, What graphics chip? |
| 11:07.24 | enouf | 32MB nvidia agp tnt2pro |
| 11:07.33 | enouf | :-P |
| 11:07.50 | rwp | Not bad for that vintage of chip. Quite old now though. You saw my stats for my (also now quite old) box? |
| 11:08.04 | enouf | sure |
| 11:08.20 | Ergo^ | heh i tried launching schorched3d too see how it works.... its still starting :/ |
| 11:08.21 | rwp | My old nvidia 5700 gets over 5500 fps. |
| 11:08.24 | enouf | rwp: p2 350 here :-p |
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| 11:09.01 | rwp | enouf, My web server, mail server, dns is a Pentium-II 400MHz. My main internal dns server is a K6 450MHz. |
| 11:09.03 | Ergo^ | erm... in my naim pc i got....70503 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14100.529 FPS |
| 11:09.10 | Ergo^ | main* |
| 11:09.32 | rwp | Ergo^, Good. You have a newer graphics card. Which one? |
| 11:09.35 | Ergo^ | over 15k now ;-) |
| 11:09.47 | Ergo^ | 8800gts ( the older 640mb type) |
| 11:09.54 | rwp | Don't cover it and don't iconify it. That would make it go really well! |
| 11:10.00 | Ergo^ | running beta drivers atm. |
| 11:10.05 | enouf | Ergo^: glxinfo | grep ? |
| 11:10.10 | enouf | Ergo^: glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"? |
| 11:10.23 | Ergo^ | yes |
| 11:10.30 | enouf | ew, mine says no |
| 11:10.31 | rwp | I am just too cheap to buy an 8800 right now. Maybe after the 9000 has aged in a little the 8000 series will be cheaper. |
| 11:10.54 | rwp | Mine says yes. |
| 11:11.06 | Ergo^ | well it was quite some money more than 500$ when i bought it a year ago |
| 11:11.16 | Ergo^ | you can have a very good gfx for half that money |
| 11:11.19 | Ergo^ | atm |
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| 11:11.33 | rwp | Down to $300 somewhere now. An 8600 (1/4 of a machine) is around $100. |
| 11:11.41 | Ergo^ | haha .. that scorched3d is still launchng... scary |
| 11:12.03 | Ergo^ | well.. in poland gfx cards are more expensive than in lets say us... |
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| 11:12.35 | Ergo^ | i remember s3 virge times ;-) |
| 11:12.43 | MikeSeth | hey s3 was awesome |
| 11:12.50 | MikeSeth | in the same way as 4-color monitors were awesome |
| 11:13.04 | Ergo^ | mike seth you are the same mike from php.pl forums ? ;-) |
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| 11:13.30 | Ergo^ | hehe.... 4 color ? i got a hercules gfx card too ;-) |
| 11:13.42 | Ergo^ | a long time ago in a galaxy far away... |
| 11:13.55 | Ergo^ | nothing beats my spectrum games anyway |
| 11:14.02 | MikeSeth | Ergo^: no, but I recently was at phplondon and drank tequila with polacks |
| 11:14.08 | rwp | Will I show my age if I reveal that I learned on a paper printing terminal? :-) |
| 11:14.24 | Ergo^ | lol :P |
| 11:14.45 | Ergo^ | crtainly im younger :D |
| 11:14.51 | rwp | csh was the ultimate shell then. Because !42 was always obvious, printed out on the paper like that. |
| 11:15.08 | enouf | and your bald spot .. the missed -iamawarethisisnot... already gave you away :-P |
| 11:15.31 | rwp | :-) But not bald. Hippy long hair here! |
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| 11:15.53 | Ergo^ | well i got about 40 cm hair that i cut down completly :P lol |
| 11:15.59 | Ergo^ | bald is good |
| 11:16.12 | Ergo^ | scorched3d is still starting... |
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| 11:16.23 | rwp | I just tell people that old age and treachery will always triump over youth and enthusiasm. Emphasis on the treachery though. |
| 11:17.09 | Ergo^ | anywaus.... 130pfs on a radeon suggests that something is wrong |
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| 11:17.33 | Ergo^ | maybe i should just get properietary drivers :] |
| 11:17.43 | enouf | needs a hair trimming, it's long now |
| 11:17.50 | enouf | and i'm old |
| 11:18.54 | enouf | Ergo^: see if others elsewhere got better, google? |
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| 11:19.55 | rwp | Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if any errors are reported there. |
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| 11:20.08 | enouf | Ergo^: and you do know AMD/ATi released some docs, right? so maybe sometime, but maybe like when Albums went to CDs, the older ones will have to wait :-P |
| 11:20.13 | rwp | You might want to pastebin it and see if anyone else sees any problems in it. |
| 11:20.57 | Ergo^ | ill check the log adter scorched3d starts... its starting for how long .. 5 mins .... :P ? |
| 11:20.58 | enouf | i wonder which radeonhd supports now, not likely older radeon i imagine |
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| 11:21.12 | Ergo^ | radeonhd? |
| 11:21.18 | enouf | one sec |
| 11:21.28 | Ergo^ | hmm... i would rather choose new nvidia for radeon |
| 11:21.45 | Ergo^ | they cant keep up with nvidia unfortuantely |
| 11:21.57 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
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| 11:22.20 | rwp | I am sad that Matrox dropped out. They were good with free drivers and provided competition to the rest. But out of the running now. |
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| 11:22.35 | enouf | yeah, newer only; |
| 11:22.37 | enouf | This package provides the driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets, |
| 11:23.27 | Ergo^ | well i loved my 3dfx adapter back those days |
| 11:23.48 | Ergo^ | matrox and s3 always had driver problems |
| 11:24.42 | rwp | well 3dfx is now ati is now amd, right? So they live on. We will see how well AMD does with the free driver promise. It will take a couple of years before we find out. |
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| 11:24.51 | wols_ | rwp: no |
| 11:24.54 | Ergo^ | 3dfx is nvidia not ati |
| 11:25.08 | rwp | ah, okay. I knew it was one of them. |
| 11:25.12 | Ergo^ | :] |
| 11:25.13 | rwp | thanks for the correction. |
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| 11:25.44 | Younix | what's a good lightweight audio player |
| 11:25.47 | Younix | besides xmms |
| 11:25.51 | Ergo^ | foobae2000 |
| 11:25.57 | Ergo^ | foobar2000 ;-) |
| 11:25.59 | rwp | For what format of file? ogg or mp3? |
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| 11:26.05 | Younix | mp3 |
| 11:26.09 | rwp | I tend to use mplayer for everything. |
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| 11:26.18 | rwp | mpg123 or mpg321 for mp3 is okay. |
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| 11:26.28 | rwp | 'play' in sox is okay. |
| 11:26.31 | Younix | heh |
| 11:26.35 | Younix | something with a gUI |
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| 11:26.37 | Younix | GUI* |
| 11:26.51 | enouf | wols_: in your estimation, do you see the 9600-9800 basically falling by the wayside (in light of AMDs doc release) .. and if ever an open3D driver gets created, it's atleast lowest priority? |
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| 11:26.52 | rwp | You said lightweight. How can a GUI be light? |
| 11:27.00 | Younix | not THAT light, sir |
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| 11:27.19 | lord_rob | Hi ! How do I select a UTF8 font for Debian ? Using Dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 11:27.29 | wols_ | enouf: 9600-9800 already have a open source 3D driver |
| 11:27.34 | katso | apt get alsa install |
| 11:27.35 | apt | ACTION fetches alsa install |
| 11:27.48 | wols_ | enouf: and from what I've seen, AMD so far only released 2D info for r5xx chips |
| 11:27.48 | lord_rob | Currently I'm using ISO8859-1 |
| 11:27.51 | enouf | wols_: am i that out of it? lol |
| 11:28.06 | Ergo^ | btw. i asked few hours earlier, but.. how can i notify someone at debian.org that there is a serious issue with lenny's installer on cd1 ? |
| 11:28.18 | rwp | Well, totem, xine, gmplayer come to mind. But those are pretty heavy by comparison. |
| 11:28.36 | Ergo^ | is quite happy with rythmbox |
| 11:28.40 | rwp | reportbug debian-install |
| 11:28.46 | enouf | wols_: it's not the fglrx stuff you refer to is it? open source 3D would be? the xorg drivers? (radeon/ati) ? |
| 11:28.46 | rwp | reportbug debian-installer |
| 11:28.51 | wols_ | enouf: between 9800 and 1xxx cards there are the 8xx ones for example which are not covered by anything. |
| 11:28.59 | wols_ | which is a shame since they are quite powerful still |
| 11:29.15 | enouf | right, the X800 X850XTs and sucgh |
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| 11:29.31 | wols_ | yes, radeon/ati is for r3xx and radeonhd is for r5xx+ |
| 11:29.46 | wols_ | tho radeon/ati has some support for x8xx IIRC |
| 11:29.55 | Younix | well this is odd...play <file> works but..when i use xmms it dosen't.. |
| 11:30.10 | wols_ | imho all that stuff is a big smoke and mirrors. 95% bullshit and feelgood trash |
| 11:30.41 | _vvd | Younix: decibel-audio-player is kinda light |
| 11:30.42 | wols_ | amd/ati can't be trusted there for one minute |
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| 11:31.46 | _vvd | :o |
| 11:31.56 | _vvd | wols_: why is that |
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| 11:34.29 | Inktjet | Hi, I have 2 disks, put into a LVM in my debian installation. Is it possible some way to retrieve the data that is on these disk with my Windows Vista installation I have installed as second OS on the same system? |
| 11:34.30 | AlexC_ | hey, |
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| 11:35.10 | AlexC_ | I'm trying to install phpMyAdmin - however I get the following error when doing 'apt-get install phpmyadmin': http://paste2.org/p/17194 |
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| 11:35.23 | _vvd | Inktjet: i doubt ir |
| 11:35.23 | Younix | wols_, decibel-audio-player?? |
| 11:35.42 | _vvd | Younix: i said that :> |
| 11:35.47 | Younix | whoops? |
| 11:36.00 | enouf | wols_: i understand your frustration, trust me, i'm not promoting them, though i guess i want to, in light of their recent doc releases. but what do i know; nothing (not to mention i don't trust any major marketers farther than i can shoot them O_o).. |
| 11:36.02 | Ergo^ | ok scorched 3d started it has like 0.01 fps in 1600x1200 :P |
| 11:36.03 | rwp | Inktjet, Unlikely. You could boot a debian-live disk or a KNOPPIX disk and access both though. |
| 11:36.21 | Inktjet | rwp: nah, wanna access in Vista |
| 11:36.30 | enouf | wols_: - and so; the xorg drivers do hardware 3D acceleration for 9600-9800? i'm only trying to ascertain what exactly is missing between the 9000 say and the 9600 (i know the 9600/9800 is r300/350 vs the older r200/250 which seems to have decent support?) |
| 11:36.36 | Younix | actually it isn't just xmms..nothing is working |
| 11:36.37 | Younix | except play |
| 11:36.38 | wols_ | enouf: intel is doing the same things out of the same reasons but they are a sliver more trustworthy in their dealings |
| 11:36.40 | rwp | Inktjet, Then no because MS doesn't include the drivers. |
| 11:36.49 | Inktjet | ok |
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| 11:37.13 | wols_ | cause they at least say honestly how far they oepn various docs from the beginning and they don't hold stuff back on their videocards for example |
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| 11:37.21 | enouf | wols_: sure, i guess, though this whole entire wifi firmware thing makes me almost as sick as the various DVD formats :-) |
| 11:37.25 | wols_ | they also do the actual work themselves mostly |
| 11:37.48 | rwp | Younix, odd. |
| 11:37.51 | enouf | well, sure, they're also selling you the Chipset ;-) |
| 11:37.55 | wols_ | AMD releases uncomplete docs and expects others to make it work |
| 11:38.01 | enouf | i jmean the Motherboard one. .. ;-) |
| 11:38.13 | wols_ | so does AMD |
| 11:38.40 | enouf | i meant as far as Integrated Intel Drivers/Cards, vs Ati/Nvidia ones |
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| 11:39.16 | enouf | now, if intel sold actual video cards to compete with those, then hey, we have a game ;-) |
| 11:39.49 | wols_ | amd/nvidia both sell integrated drivers too |
| 11:40.08 | enouf | but intel doesn't sell standalone video cards |
| 11:40.14 | Younix | I needs omem ore RAM ffs |
| 11:40.23 | Younix | some more |
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| 11:40.39 | Younix | 64MB isn't cutting it. |
| 11:40.41 | enouf | so you're not going to get video without also needing their mobo + chipset |
| 11:40.58 | wols_ | chipset support is fine for all 3 imho |
| 11:41.16 | wols_ | notwithstanding that ATI's chipset suck,but that's another can of worms |
| 11:41.17 | enouf | whcih is where they make up the differnence in money, so they can afford to open source their video |
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| 11:41.43 | wols_ | they make more money on CPUs and give out specs there freely |
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| 11:42.11 | enouf | if AMD and Nvidia only sold Video + {Mobo + Chipset} then it's even for comparison |
| 11:42.17 | enouf | imho |
| 11:42.27 | rwp | AlexC_, What does dpkg -l phpmyadmin say? |
| 11:43.13 | AlexC_ | rwp, http://paste2.org/p/17195 |
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| 11:43.24 | Younix | _vvd, i wonder why i can't apt-get that.. |
| 11:43.45 | enouf | but whatever, i'm not trying to arguye, just wanted to settle some unsure area of knowhow in my mind about what's what with the r350 vs the r250 line |
| 11:44.00 | rwp | AlexC_, I have not seen that error before but the status currently says that the package files are on disk but that the post installation script failed. |
| 11:44.20 | rwp | AlexC_, I would run it again and debug from there. dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin |
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| 11:44.29 | AlexC_ | rwp, yaeh =\ no idea what it means. No worries, I've just downloaded phpmyadmin from their site and setting it up now |
| 11:44.39 | AlexC_ | rwp, I tried, it says something like 'phpmyadmin is not installed or broken' |
| 11:44.40 | rwp | AlexC_, Probably get the same error again. |
| 11:44.42 | Hotwire | Hi, what could cause debian to frezze at the setting up system clock stage of boot |
| 11:45.17 | _vvd | Younix: its in lenny/main |
| 11:45.27 | rwp | AlexC_, Hmmm... The post install script is /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.postinst and can be run manually. I would probably debug it that way. |
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| 11:45.57 | rwp | AlexC_, But phpmyadmin installs normally for me on several machines. It would be worrisome to see this failure and not know the reason for it. Good luck! |
| 11:45.58 | AlexC_ | rwp, will do, thanks =) |
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| 11:46.34 | Hotwire | Hi, what could cause debian to frezze at the setting up system clock stage of boot |
| 11:46.51 | Hotwire | sorry, ididn;t mean to repeat that in here :S |
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| 11:47.12 | ttl- | greetings |
| 11:47.39 | ttl- | is there an alternative for xmms in debian lenny ? |
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| 11:48.06 | ttl- | why xmms is removed ? |
| 11:48.16 | _vvd | ttl-: there is no real alternative for xmms |
| 11:48.32 | ttl- | :( |
| 11:48.50 | _vvd | because xmms is not maintained anymore :( |
| 11:49.09 | rwp | I saw in debian-devel that xmms depended upon gtk 1.2 which is unmaintained and problematic. I don't know if xmms is ported to gtk 2.0 yet. |
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| 11:49.55 | rwp | There is a push to get gtk 1.2 out and everything moved to gtk 2.0 so that 1.2 can be pushed out. xmms is one of the problems. |
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| 11:50.29 | _vvd | ttl- there is audacious but that one is very cpu intensive, ymmv |
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| 11:51.23 | _vvd | i was once in #audacious and asked why its so cpu intensive. they banned me right away lol |
| 11:51.53 | ttl- | _vvd: lol |
| 11:51.57 | enouf | heh |
| 11:52.00 | ttl- | _vvd: yeah i know |
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| 11:52.21 | Ergo^ | hmm.. i tried running one liner for ati drivers on lenny |
| 11:52.23 | enouf | so, no xmms2 for you? or, too much upgrading required? |
| 11:52.28 | ttl- | _vvd: but i need something eating less cpu cycles |
| 11:52.40 | Ergo^ | and when it tires to insert module i get "operation is not permitted |
| 11:53.26 | ttl- | enouf: xmms2 yeah, tried it but don't find it easy to use |
| 11:53.47 | klemmi | hi, i try to use a second screen with Radeon M2300 |
| 11:53.47 | klemmi | My Xorg.conf contains a misstake: |
| 11:53.47 | klemmi | Fatal server error: |
| 11:53.47 | klemmi | no screens found |
| 11:53.47 | klemmi | Could please anyone look on my Xorg.conf-file and tell me, where I did a misstake? |
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| 11:54.27 | klemmi | hi, i try to use a second screen with Radeon M2300 |
| 11:54.32 | _vvd | ttl-: you might wanna try decibel-audio-player, cant do radio though |
| 11:54.33 | klemmi | My Xorg.conf contains a misstake: |
| 11:54.38 | klemmi | Fatal server error: |
| 11:54.44 | klemmi | no screens found |
| 11:54.47 | klemmi | Could please anyone look on my Xorg.conf-file and tell me, where I did a misstake? |
| 11:54.50 | klemmi | http://paste.debian.net/51728 |
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| 11:56.13 | enouf | Ergo^: you did the fglrx one-liner ? maybe install build-essential and fakeroot pkgs and try again |
| 11:56.24 | Ergo^ | k |
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| 11:56.49 | enouf | Ergo^: you might be better off in console as well |
| 11:57.05 | enouf | like close X man ;-) |
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| 11:57.23 | rwp | klemmi, Look for errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:57.55 | Ergo^ | enouf: im running the one liner as root in console x is shut down |
| 11:58.04 | klemmi | rwp: Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 11:58.32 | klemmi | thats the only message it contains |
| 11:58.36 | rwp | klemmi, Makes me wonder if you have a compatible card. What does lspci | grep VGA say? |
| 11:58.43 | Ergo^ | it cant insert the ko file - this is modprobe problem or something ? |
| 11:58.52 | ttl- | klemmi: you have 2 Section "Device" |
| 11:58.58 | rwp | klemmi, Only that line? Even when there are errors there are usually more lines. |
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| 11:59.52 | enouf | perhaps, and what are you running (fglrx one-liner) ? <-- 2nd time i'm asking -- and are you using lenny as your installation? |
| 12:00.07 | rwp | klemmi, That is the entire xorg.conf file? That is not complete. Missing much. |
| 12:00.19 | klemmi | http://paste.debian.net/51731 |
| 12:00.21 | enouf | Ergo^: there are many one-liners |
| 12:00.33 | klemmi | shall I poste the complete config-file? |
| 12:01.09 | rwp | Please |
| 12:01.16 | klemmi | @rwp 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon X2300 |
| 12:01.20 | rwp | The log error is (EE) Problem parsing the config file (EE) Error parsing the config file |
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| 12:01.40 | klemmi | @ttl- i know, i want to use two monitors |
| 12:01.58 | Ergo^ | enouf: i found the problem it was conflicting with "radeon" |
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| 12:02.22 | s0l5 | To isntall core debian with x is it "apt-get install xorg-gnome core" ? |
| 12:02.48 | enouf | !set up x |
| 12:02.48 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 12:02.51 | klemmi | here is the wohle xorg.conf |
| 12:02.51 | klemmi | http://paste.debian.net/51732 |
| 12:03.10 | _vvd | klemmi: do you want my fglrx dual-head config? |
| 12:03.15 | s0l5 | !setup gnome |
| 12:03.18 | rwp | klemmi, so far so good. At least it seems like it should be compatible. You might try the ati driver, get things working, and then convert to the closed proprietary fglrx driver. |
| 12:03.19 | s0l5 | !set gnome |
| 12:03.26 | enouf | !install gnome |
| 12:03.27 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 12:03.30 | s0l5 | so its |
| 12:03.39 | s0l5 | aptitude install gnome-xorg core ? |
| 12:03.42 | enouf | !tell s0l5 about msg the bot |
| 12:03.55 | klemmi | @_vvd that would be nice |
| 12:04.03 | s0l5 | enough is that right? |
| 12:04.07 | enouf | aptitude install xorg gnome |
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| 12:04.19 | s0l5 | but i want the minimum of gnome installed |
| 12:04.42 | enouf | then replace "gnome" with whatdpkg said |
| 12:04.46 | klemmi | @rwp do you think, it is a driver-problem? |
| 12:04.47 | klemmi | @_wd thx |
| 12:04.49 | ravenbird | klemmi: what are you talking about? |
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| 12:04.57 | rwp | _vvd, klemmi probably needs your config |
| 12:05.05 | s0l5 | lol well i done |
| 12:05.13 | s0l5 | aptitude isntall gnome xorg core and it worked.... |
| 12:05.24 | _vvd | rwp: sent |
| 12:05.43 | _vvd | :) |
| 12:05.44 | klemmi | @ravenbird |
| 12:05.44 | klemmi | I want to use two minotors. my xorg.conf contains a misstake, i think |
| 12:05.45 | ravenbird | Yes, that's my nick, don't abuse it, or I'll sic dpkg on you. I'm also a blootbot. See <blootbot>. |
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| 12:06.17 | Ergo^ | rwp: i managed to install properietary drivers - i get 3,5k fps on radeon 9600 and 1.5ghz machine |
| 12:06.20 | Ergo^ | not bad |
| 12:06.44 | rwp | Ergo^, Much better than before. Whatever the other problem was. But that should do you good for a while. |
| 12:06.53 | enouf | Ergo^: i still have no idea what you ran / installed |
| 12:07.01 | rwp | Ergo^, About twice what I am getting on my machine with the ati driver. |
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| 12:08.32 | s0l5 | well iv just isntalled debian |
| 12:08.33 | s0l5 | and done |
| 12:08.35 | Ergo^ | enouf: to use the onle liner from dpkg here : i had to run modprobe -r radeon to work |
| 12:08.48 | s0l5 | aptitude isntall gnome xorg core, then i done startx but it does not go into gui :S |
| 12:08.52 | s0l5 | anyone know where iv gone wrong? |
| 12:08.54 | Ergo^ | rwp: just got settlers 2 running ( new version) brilliant :D |
| 12:09.07 | rwp | Sweet! |
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| 12:09.17 | s0l5 | slaps Ergo^ |
| 12:09.19 | wols_ | s0l5: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 12:09.36 | s0l5 | wols_ how do i get to the log?? |
| 12:09.48 | s0l5 | kinda new :P |
| 12:09.52 | enouf | Ergo^: i still have no idea what you ran / installed |
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| 12:09.55 | s0l5 | besides i have no gui 0_o |
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| 12:10.06 | wols_ | s0l5: why would you need a gui? |
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| 12:10.19 | s0l5 | for vnc :P |
| 12:10.29 | wols_ | s0l5: that makes no sense |
| 12:10.34 | s0l5 | i know |
| 12:10.37 | s0l5 | lol |
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| 12:11.02 | wols_ | either you show us your Xorg.0.log or you wills tay without GUI or you fix your own problems yourself. your choice |
| 12:11.11 | wols_ | *stay |
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| 12:12.09 | s0l5 | wols_ how do i get to the xorg.0.log ? |
| 12:12.13 | klemmi | ok, I'll try my best; thanks for help |
| 12:12.14 | s0l5 | where is it located? |
| 12:12.14 | Ergo^ | i must say that after playing with ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 beta , im quite happy with lenny |
| 12:12.25 | Ergo^ | when it gets released it will rock ;] |
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| 12:12.53 | wols_ | s0l5: /var/log |
| 12:13.00 | s0l5 | ok wols_ its just installing something |
| 12:13.05 | s0l5 | as soon as its done ill get it up |
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| 12:13.26 | mrts | I have a problem with port forwarding. I'm in A, a is NATted, I have access to B that is public and provides NAT to C. Now I want C to get access to my port 8000, i.e. C -> B:8000 -> A:8000. I tried with ssh -NL 8000:B_INTERNAL_IP:8000 B_PUBLIC_IP |
| 12:13.43 | mrts | but looks like no luck |
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| 12:13.55 | s0l5 | to install the bare minimum gnone you would do: aptitude isntall gnome-core and to install xorg you would do "aptitude install x-window-system-core" ? |
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| 12:14.18 | mrts | (that is, in A: ssh -NL 8000:B_INTERNAL_IP:8000 B_PUBLIC_IP) |
| 12:14.49 | wols_ | !tell s0l5 about install X |
| 12:15.12 | wols_ | !tell s0l5 about install gnome |
| 12:15.19 | Ergo^ | btw i know this is a noob question ;-) if i compiled wine from source and build a deb from it (simple sid backport) can i move the debs to another pc and just install it ? |
| 12:15.32 | wols_ | Ergo^: sure |
| 12:15.33 | Ergo^ | or do i have to build wine there too ? |
| 12:15.38 | s0l5 | thanks ok got that cleared |
| 12:15.40 | Ergo^ | ah great :D |
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| 12:16.18 | Ergo^ | im a fromer window user and im getting used to new enviroment, its not bad :] |
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| 12:17.00 | Ergo^ | some of my questions mey be strange ;-) |
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| 12:18.47 | orveldv | Ergo^: afaik, in terms of gcc CPU optimisation, if you compile smth and install it to a more powerfull pc it's likely it will work ; the other way - maybe not |
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| 12:19.52 | gynterk | how happy is ssh if i use . (dot) in user names? |
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| 12:20.11 | ttl- | is there a client for xmms2 what lets you just select a file or dir for playback without the playlist and media library stuff |
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| 12:21.48 | Corty | hi |
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| 12:22.03 | tecky | anyone using port knocking ? |
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| 12:23.14 | Corty | Tried thatmh |
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| 12:23.37 | mbroeker | shields down |
| 12:23.40 | Corty | was just curious about the clients |
| 12:24.05 | _vvd | ttl-: thats what i hate about xmms2 the library thing :P |
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| 12:24.11 | zodmaner | Guys, is there a CLI file browser that have CD/USB automouth feature like Thunar/Nautilus? |
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| 12:25.54 | ttl- | _vvd: yeah the same here! |
| 12:25.57 | Z03 | what package should i install to get the man pages for all the c library functions ? |
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| 12:26.10 | stew | Z03: manpages-dev |
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| 12:26.19 | Z03 | stew: thanks |
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| 12:26.39 | OmiKrOn | hi i have a problem with postfix: on each domain in my virtual domain table email is send with the From header like this Mar 24 12:08:25 vps1 postfix/qmgr[29890]: 34EA1AE4FAC: from=<iulian@localhost.domain.com>, size=722, nrcpt=1 (queue active) |
| 12:27.01 | ddalton | Hey I just used ssh to access someone's router remotely. Can they track me down or get any info like password information or anything like that? |
| 12:27.04 | ddalton | or files? |
| 12:27.10 | hoxu | !tell OmiKrOn about hostname |
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| 12:28.17 | OmiKrOn | hoxu did that |
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| 12:29.45 | cusco | hail |
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| 12:29.57 | bjwebb | ive downloaded a source package |
| 12:30.15 | s0l5 | wols_ turned out that i never isntall gnome properly |
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| 12:30.29 | bjwebb | is there a way to extract and apply the patches in one command? |
| 12:30.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | bjwebb, if you download it with apt-get source it does it |
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| 12:31.08 | stew | OmiKrOn: show us the output of "postconf -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 12:31.40 | Younix | lol |
| 12:31.43 | stew | bjwebb: apt-get source sorcepackagename ; dpkg-source -x foo.dsc ; or dget -x http://url/to/.dsc |
| 12:31.47 | bjwebb | Kamping_Kaiser: lol, thats what i did, but i missed that dir |
| 12:31.47 | Younix | _vvd, decibel audio player doesn't work at all |
| 12:31.55 | Younix | it opens..but no buttons or anything work |
| 12:32.19 | stew | Younix: have you checked the bts? |
| 12:32.23 | OmiKrOn | stew: http://pastebin.com/d3818a13c |
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| 12:32.32 | Younix | stew, bts? |
| 12:32.42 | Younix | nvm |
| 12:33.10 | Younix | i just -cannot- find a good mp3 player |
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| 12:33.17 | stew | Younix: /msg dpkg bts |
| 12:33.26 | Younix | stew, way ahead of you |
| 12:33.34 | Younix | i did that like thirty seconds ago. |
| 12:34.03 | stew | OmiKrOn: so mails that had a From: header are getting their from header replaced? |
| 12:34.30 | Younix | stew, have you experienced any problems with xmms |
| 12:34.36 | OmiKrOn | stew: yeah |
| 12:34.42 | stew | Younix: its been 10 years since i've used it |
| 12:34.46 | Younix | what do you use then |
| 12:34.50 | hoxu | Younix, ask the real question |
| 12:34.53 | stew | well, not 10, but 6 or 7 |
| 12:34.56 | aleksanteri | Younix, vlc amarok xmms kaffeine juk rio pykaraoke noatun... go through all of them and try them all |
| 12:34.59 | dimensiOn | xmms rocks |
| 12:35.02 | stew | Younix: i use cplay |
| 12:35.06 | Younix | what's cplay |
| 12:35.07 | orveldv | Younix: audacious ? |
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| 12:35.15 | hoxu | Younix, apt-cache show |
| 12:35.15 | stew | Younix: apt-cache show cplay |
| 12:35.18 | valdyn | Younix: like itunes or not like it? |
| 12:35.19 | dimensiOn | omg audacious o.O |
| 12:35.23 | Younix | looking for one that will run smoothly on 64MB or ram |
| 12:35.33 | valdyn | mp3blaster |
| 12:35.37 | valdyn | mpc |
| 12:35.46 | Younix | it has a gui? |
| 12:35.58 | orveldv | orpheus and moc are nice, ncurses based |
| 12:36.19 | valdyn | Younix: mpc is a console frontend to mpd, that has gui frontends too |
| 12:36.27 | Younix | oh |
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| 12:40.22 | s0l5 | how do i reboot sshd from command line? |
| 12:40.39 | stew | s0l5: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 12:40.40 | hoxu | s0l5, invoke-rc.d ssh restart |
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| 12:40.51 | hoxu | stew, O_o |
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| 12:41.11 | hoxu | desynchronizes with stew |
| 12:41.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
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| 12:42.28 | s0l5 | thanks |
| 12:43.01 | s0l5 | how do i find my IP in debian then? |
| 12:43.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | ifconfig |
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| 12:43.39 | s0l5 | cheers |
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| 12:45.06 | s0l5 | is there anyway to make something like a motd come up everytime someone ssh's into a terminal? |
| 12:45.15 | hoxu | s0l5, man sshd_config |
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| 12:45.33 | hoxu | s0l5, then assuming you use less as $PAGER, type '/motd' |
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| 12:46.31 | hoxu | s0l5, and 'G' to hop to the end to see the "FILES" section which tells you which file to put that option in :p |
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| 12:46.47 | [BT]JaC | hi |
| 12:47.08 | gynterk | no |
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| 12:47.42 | s0l5 | hoxu got it i think :) |
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| 12:49.28 | s0l5 | permit motd in sshd config |
| 12:49.33 | s0l5 | :) |
| 12:49.37 | s0l5 | ./etc/motd edit that file |
| 12:49.40 | s0l5 | sorted |
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| 12:50.28 | [BT]JaC | hi there, when i try to run an executable, i get this error, yet it is in the DIR: |
| 12:50.29 | [BT]JaC | http://paste2.org/p/17204 |
| 12:50.34 | [BT]JaC | ccan anyone help please |
| 12:50.53 | hoxu | [BT]JaC, ls -la samp022svr, and show the output |
| 12:51.33 | [BT]JaC | teambt@gaming:~/samp022$ ls -la samp022svr |
| 12:51.34 | [BT]JaC | -rwxr-xr-x 1 teambt teambt 1244208 Aug 29 2007 samp022svr |
| 12:51.34 | [BT]JaC | teambt@gaming:~/samp022$ |
| 12:51.41 | amphi | [BT]JaC: I expect samp022svr is some script, and its shebang line points to a non-exitent interpreter |
| 12:51.59 | amphi | [BT]JaC: what's the first line of samp022svr ? |
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| 12:52.06 | hoxu | [BT]JaC, head -n 1 samp022svr, but paste only *one* line |
| 12:52.13 | amphi | ;) |
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| 12:52.27 | [BT]JaC | teambt@gaming:~/samp022$ PuTTYPuTTYPuTTY |
| 12:52.33 | gynterk | ))) |
| 12:52.37 | hoxu | amphi, see? :p |
| 12:52.46 | amphi | [BT]JaC: that was unexpected ;) |
| 12:52.55 | [BT]JaC | its an executable |
| 12:53.00 | [BT]JaC | its sa-mp |
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| 12:53.15 | amphi | [BT]JaC: what does 'file samp022svr' say? |
| 12:53.16 | hoxu | gynterk, do you have a difficult question or problems with domestic animals? |
| 12:54.08 | gynterk | no |
| 12:54.17 | gynterk | shift+ins |
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| 12:54.28 | [BT]JaC | teambt@gaming:~/samp022$ file samp022svr |
| 12:54.28 | [BT]JaC | samp022svr: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped |
| 12:54.29 | [BT]JaC | teambt@gaming:~/samp022$ |
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| 12:55.04 | amphi | so much for my theory ;) |
| 12:55.07 | hoxu | [BT]JaC, you don't need to paste the prompt... |
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| 12:55.14 | [BT]JaC | alright |
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| 12:55.47 | hoxu | [BT]JaC, well, you could strace it perhaps, strace ./samp022svr |
| 12:56.00 | amphi | [BT]JaC: perhaps it's missing a shared lib |
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| 12:56.11 | hoxu | [BT]JaC, but rather, you should consult where ever you downloaded that thing from, it's not a debian package |
| 12:56.15 | s0l5 | is there anyway to see if blowfish encryption has actually taken affect or its in use? |
| 12:56.33 | [BT]JaC | well, it is a minimal debian install, so perhaps im missing something? |
| 12:56.55 | [BT]JaC | ok sec, i'll paste2.org it |
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| 12:57.08 | [BT]JaC | http://paste2.org/p/17206 |
| 12:57.09 | LV-426 | any way to view the $PATH used by daemon 'foo' ? trying to get foo to use a custom path but i think it's getting overwritten somehow |
| 12:57.11 | [BT]JaC | thats the strace |
| 12:57.59 | sigp239 | To write zeros to my drive, should I use /dev/null or /dev/zero ? |
| 12:58.09 | hoxu | sigp239, zero, you can't read from null |
| 12:58.36 | sigp239 | hoxu: Ok how would I write ones to my drive ? |
| 12:58.53 | valdyn | sigp239: why would you? |
| 12:59.25 | sigp239 | valdyn: Do I need a reason? |
| 12:59.33 | valdyn | sigp239: sure |
| 12:59.42 | sigp239 | Let's say I selling a drive someone and want to scrub the data. |
| 12:59.56 | valdyn | sigp239: simple tools are there for a purpose, for silliness you got to create that simple tool yourself |
| 12:59.57 | orveldv | LV-426: you could use lsof, and grep its output for your deamon |
| 13:00.45 | hoxu | sigp239, then use shred |
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| 13:00.50 | amphi | LV-426: /proc/6271/environ |
| 13:00.55 | amphi | LV-426: er |
| 13:00.57 | hoxu | sigp239, or dd if=/dev/urandom |
| 13:00.59 | sigp239 | valdyn: I don't think it's silliness. Have you read the government standard (DoD 5220.22-M) |
| 13:01.26 | hoxu | sigp239, valdyn only wanted to know your reason, we usually ask for the root problem, the solution people think themselves may be sub-optimal |
| 13:01.28 | valdyn | sigp239: no, does it demand to write 1s? |
| 13:01.36 | sigp239 | yes |
| 13:01.41 | stew | [BT]JaC: we need to see all of the strace. you can run "strace -o /tmp/strace.out ./samp022svr" in order to capture it to a file. you can then upload the fie to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php or some such |
| 13:01.50 | stew | [BT]JaC: what is this program, anyway? |
| 13:01.50 | sigp239 | valdyn: yes it does (among other things) |
| 13:01.51 | amphi | LV-426: tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$PID/environ | grep PATH |
| 13:02.25 | [BT]JaC | www.sa-mp.com |
| 13:02.32 | [BT]JaC | the linux server |
| 13:02.44 | [BT]JaC | ii have it running fine on other debian servers |
| 13:02.51 | [BT]JaC | so its not the file its self |
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| 13:03.15 | valdyn | sigp239: C program: #include stdio.h \ int main() {for(;;) { printf("1111111111111"); } } |
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| 13:03.26 | valdyn | sigp239: but maybe scrub doesthat too |
| 13:03.34 | optyk | Hello. Anyone can help me with memory card reader? |
| 13:03.46 | AwesomeGuy | what's better, Epiphany Web Browser or IceWeasel |
| 13:03.52 | sigp239 | valdyn: Okay. Did you mean scrub or shred? |
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| 13:04.00 | hoxu | AwesomeGuy, try them both out and decide yourself |
| 13:04.01 | stew | AwesomeGuy: define better |
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| 13:04.05 | valdyn | sigp239: no idea, i just repeatd above stuff |
| 13:04.08 | optyk | I loaded tifm_sd module but I don't see it on /dev |
| 13:04.16 | [BT]JaC | what is 'exec' ? |
| 13:04.23 | s0l5 | login as: sd |
| 13:04.24 | s0l5 | sd@192.168.0.10's password: |
| 13:04.24 | s0l5 | This computer system is for authorized users only. All activity is logged and regulary checked by systems personal. Individuals using this system without authority or in excess of their authority are subject to having all their services revoked. Any illegal services run by user or attempts to take down this server or its services will be reported to local law enforcement, and said user will be punished to the full extent of the law. Anyone using this syst |
| 13:04.24 | s0l5 | Last login: Mon Mar 24 13:05:29 2008 from 192.168.0.2 |
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| 13:04.25 | AwesomeGuy | wich works better on a system with low ram/an old cpu |
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| 13:04.34 | sigp239 | hoxu: "apt-cache search shred" Got nothin' |
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| 13:04.44 | s0l5 | Hi |
| 13:04.46 | s0l5 | sorry |
| 13:04.46 | stew | AwesomeGuy: dillo |
| 13:04.53 | LV-426 | amphi, orveldv thanks, picked up a couple of things, lsof less effective because of a long file list.... |
| 13:05.22 | valdyn | sigp239: "sudo aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search bin/shred" |
| 13:05.22 | s0l5 | any idea why the motd is spammed twice? http://pastebin.com/m515c3b5a |
| 13:05.23 | hoxu | sigp239, it's in the coreutils package |
| 13:05.51 | sigp239 | okay thanks |
| 13:05.57 | hoxu | sigp239, as for writing ones, I'm assuming it means 0xff, you could use something like (while true; do echo -ne '\xff'; done) |dd of=/path/to/whatever, but that's prolly inefficient as heck |
| 13:07.41 | s0l5 | anyone??... |
| 13:08.35 | optyk | please help me with this card reader.. on arch I just loaded tifm_sd and when I input card to reader I can mount /dev/mmc~ |
| 13:08.35 | hoxu | s0l5, perhaps the shell profile outputs it as well? |
| 13:08.37 | [BT]JaC | what is 'exec' ? |
| 13:08.57 | hoxu | [BT]JaC, "execl, execlp, execle, execv, execvp - execute a file" |
| 13:09.00 | s0l5 | hoxu lets see |
| 13:09.00 | stew | [BT]JaC: google for "man exec" |
| 13:09.01 | s0l5 | one sec |
| 13:09.23 | [BT]JaC | are they required for a file to run then? |
| 13:09.28 | hoxu | s0l5, just try "bash -l" |
| 13:09.46 | stew | [BT]JaC: yes |
| 13:09.46 | sigp239 | hoxu: Like this? "shred -v -z /dev/sda1" |
| 13:09.50 | [BT]JaC | o |
| 13:10.22 | hoxu | sigp239, should work prolly, but make sure it's the right partition, and whether you want to shred that single partition or whole disk |
| 13:10.35 | sigp239 | hoxu: Just that partition |
| 13:10.37 | sigp239 | for now |
| 13:10.42 | [BT]JaC | can someone please PM me their /etc/apt/sources.list contents please? |
| 13:10.46 | hoxu | sigp239, should be ok then |
| 13:10.52 | hoxu | !tell [BT]JaC about sources.list |
| 13:10.54 | stew | [BT]JaC: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 13:11.11 | sigp239 | hoxu: so shred overwrites with random data first, then writes zeros (assuming -z option)? |
| 13:11.15 | s0l5 | iv tried that |
| 13:11.18 | s0l5 | and it still dont work |
| 13:11.21 | s0l5 | anyone got any ideas? |
| 13:11.23 | [BT]JaC | yeah i actually need the list |
| 13:11.41 | hoxu | !doesn't work |
| 13:11.41 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:11.42 | stew | [BT]JaC: the bot 'dpkg' should have just messaged you |
| 13:12.49 | mquin | heh |
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| 13:14.17 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 13:14.17 | dpkg | <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
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| 13:16.16 | [BT]JaC | apt-get cannot find any of those exec files |
| 13:17.04 | stew | [BT]JaC: they aren't files. you must already have them or you would have no running processes on your machine |
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| 13:17.11 | stew | [BT]JaC: your machine wouldn't boot at all |
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| 13:18.38 | Younix | I can play an mp3 with 'play' as root, but when I try it as non-root i get cannot open output file /dev/dsp permission denied. I think this has something to do with the reason no mp3 player is playing it. Any tips? |
| 13:18.43 | [BT]JaC | oh |
| 13:19.00 | stew | Younix: 'adduser username audio' then log out and log back in |
| 13:19.01 | [BT]JaC | is there a set of files like standard-utils |
| 13:19.04 | [BT]JaC | that i can apt-get |
| 13:19.08 | [BT]JaC | that install all the baasics |
| 13:19.17 | Younix | stew, what do you mean logout and log back in |
| 13:19.28 | [BT]JaC | because i only have a minimal install of debian on this machine |
| 13:19.37 | stew | [BT]JaC: that's what the minimum install of debian is |
| 13:19.47 | Younix | stew, "the group audio already exists" |
| 13:20.09 | valdyn | !be a Cut & Paste barbie |
| 13:20.09 | dpkg | Aww, Cut & Paste is HARD! Let's go shopping, valdyn |
| 13:20.17 | stew | Younix: when you add someone to a group, they won't get the new group privileges until their next login, so you'd have to logout first |
| 13:20.22 | stew | Younix: what command gave you that error? |
| 13:20.42 | hoxu | Younix, adduser _username_ audio |
| 13:20.58 | Younix | lakeview:/home/bradley/gtk-gnutella-downloads/complete# adduser username audio |
| 13:20.58 | Younix | adduser: The user `username' does not exist. |
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| 13:21.06 | stew | Younix: i meant for you to substitude the name of the user having the problem for 'username' |
| 13:21.08 | hoxu | Younix, argh, your username :P |
| 13:21.10 | Younix | oh |
| 13:21.12 | Younix | kills self |
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| 13:21.41 | Younix | k brb |
| 13:21.56 | hoxu | indeed, screen+irssi and it wouldn't have... |
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| 13:26.23 | Younix | alright, play works now..but still the same problem, no other thing will play it |
| 13:26.30 | Younix | xmms, cplay...nothing |
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| 13:33.13 | elysium-os | How can I install Gnome in a different language? |
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| 13:34.34 | Younix | decibel-audio-player |
| 13:34.36 | Younix | whoops |
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| 13:37.47 | Younix | oh gosh |
| 13:37.50 | Younix | dpkg ignored me. ;< |
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| 13:38.25 | Shadur | I'm getting the following error from apt-listchanges: bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30975, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') |
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| 13:39.26 | Younix | run |
| 13:39.27 | Younix | err |
| 13:39.31 | Shadur | I'm currently looking through the docs for anything regarding DB recovery, but coming up short so far. Any tips? |
| 13:39.49 | Younix | updatedb ?? |
| 13:40.44 | Shadur | Isn't that for the locate program? |
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| 13:43.10 | Younix | iono |
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| 13:43.23 | s0l5 | im still stuck |
| 13:43.30 | _Trinity_ | . |
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| 13:43.34 | s0l5 | also any idea why it spams the MOTD twice? http://pastebin.com/m515c3b5a |
| 13:43.55 | hoxu | s0l5, what did "bash -l" show you? |
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| 13:43.57 | Deadly | i dont know |
| 13:44.43 | stew | Shadur: it is talking about a berkelydb, so it would involve db4.4_recover or db4.something_recover |
| 13:45.00 | stew | Shadur: but perhaps, you could just try purging apt-listchanges and reinstalling it |
| 13:45.24 | Deadly | hay stew |
| 13:45.25 | s0l5 | hoxu invalid option |
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| 13:45.44 | hoxu | s0l5, hrem, that's a small "L"...? |
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| 13:46.11 | s0l5 | oh right, typed that in |
| 13:46.12 | s0l5 | shows nothing |
| 13:46.20 | Deadly | hay hoxu |
| 13:46.25 | hoxu | s0l5, and your default shell is bash? |
| 13:46.38 | hoxu | Deadly? |
| 13:46.48 | s0l5 | again im not sure im just using the one which came with debian im kinda new |
| 13:47.02 | hoxu | should be bash then |
| 13:47.07 | Deadly | do you give me your email address |
| 13:47.27 | s0l5 | so what could be the problem |
| 13:47.28 | s0l5 | :S |
| 13:47.49 | Deadly | hohoxu |
| 13:47.53 | hoxu | Deadly, sure sweetie, would you like my home address and phone number as well? |
| 13:47.57 | stew | Deadly: do you have any debian related questions? if so, ask them |
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| 13:48.10 | stew | Deadly: if you are looking for general chit-chat, try #defocus |
| 13:48.20 | s0l5 | hoxu anything else i can try? |
| 13:48.28 | hoxu | stew, I smell a new type of nigerian scam on the rise :P |
| 13:48.53 | hoxu | s0l5, what did you change in sshd_config, and did it show motd at all before that? |
| 13:48.55 | Deadly | houx i want ur r email address |
| 13:49.05 | Inktjet | Deadly: you want mine bro |
| 13:49.09 | stew | Deadly: stop. if you don't have a debian question, please move on |
| 13:49.15 | stew | Inktjet: drop it |
| 13:49.31 | Deadly | just why stew |
| 13:49.33 | s0l5 | hoxu i done "PrintMotd yes" "PrintLastLog yes" |
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| 13:49.40 | Inktjet | 419@nigerian.but.i.makes.you.rich.ng |
| 13:49.44 | s0l5 | lol |
| 13:49.44 | stew | Inktjet: stop |
| 13:49.52 | Inktjet | ok |
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| 13:50.18 | hoxu | s0l5, in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, right? |
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| 13:50.45 | s0l5 | hoxu yes |
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| 13:51.12 | hoxu | s0l5, and if you set it to "PrintMotd no" do you get one motd or none at all? |
| 13:51.39 | s0l5 | hoxu ill try that now |
| 13:52.35 | s0l5 | lol |
| 13:52.36 | s0l5 | weird |
| 13:52.37 | s0l5 | it work |
| 13:52.40 | s0l5 | only says it once |
| 13:52.49 | s0l5 | so how come it still states the motd when its disabled in the config? |
| 13:53.15 | hoxu | something else is printing it, like system profile file |
| 13:53.24 | s0l5 | might be to do with printlastlog no? |
| 13:53.25 | stew | s0l5: becuase of /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 13:53.45 | s0l5 | stew but if motd is disabled it should not show it at all like it did before |
| 13:53.49 | s0l5 | just curious why its like this |
| 13:54.01 | stew | s0l5: how did you disable motd |
| 13:54.28 | s0l5 | The same way i enabled it, went into sshd_config and set "printmotd no" |
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| 13:55.32 | hoxu | weird |
| 13:55.39 | stew | s0l5: "session optional pam_motd.so" in /etc/pam.d/sshd is effecting the motd being printed |
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| 13:55.51 | stew | s0l5: does that appear in /etc/pam.d/sshd ? |
| 13:56.02 | dcnoye | i want to use debian to do reverse proxying , when i do an aptitude search squid, i notice that there are a couple chooses, which would be best for doing the reverse proxying ? thanks |
| 13:56.38 | s0l5 | ahhh |
| 13:56.46 | Justin | dcnoye: squid |
| 13:56.56 | s0l5 | session optional pam_motd.so # [1] |
| 13:56.59 | AwesomeGuy | are there ip scanners for debian |
| 13:57.08 | grand_gr3nt | AwesomeGuy: nmap? |
| 13:57.17 | AwesomeGuy | k |
| 13:57.25 | dcnoye | so do you have experience with squid vs squid3 ? |
| 13:57.27 | s0l5 | how do i see a list of running processes |
| 13:57.38 | s0l5 | dcnoye squid as in the proxy server squid? |
| 13:57.41 | hoxu | s0l5, ps aux |
| 13:57.56 | dcnoye | reverse proxy |
| 13:58.00 | dcnoye | yes |
| 13:58.01 | WormFood | s0l5, did you try "ps ax"? |
| 13:58.03 | Justin | dcnoye: what does the package description say for squid3? |
| 13:58.25 | dcnoye | A full featured Web Proxy cache (HTTP proxy) |
| 13:58.34 | Justin | dcnoye: the full description |
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| 13:59.38 | dcnoye | Squid is a high-performance proxy caching server for web clients, supporting FTP, gopher, and HTTP data objects. |
| 14:00.09 | Justin | dcnoye: I know what it says. you don't need to paste it. you need to read it |
| 14:00.20 | s0l5 | howu , stew is there anyone i can get it to display the uptime on login? |
| 14:00.34 | dcnoye | what are you getting at then ? |
| 14:00.38 | dcnoye | confused |
| 14:00.48 | Ergo^ | can anyone confirm for me that the howto from debian wiki for compiz "AIGLX" will work on properietary drivers too ? |
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| 14:01.09 | stew | s0l5: put 'uptime' at the end of your .bash_profile |
| 14:01.10 | hoxu | s0l5, something like that should go in your .bash_profile |
| 14:01.13 | wols_ | Ergo^: depends on the drivers. not for fglrx |
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| 14:01.56 | Ergo^ | with open drivers i got terrible performance in 3d, i got fglrx and performance is good, my wife wants to have compiz enabled on that |
| 14:02.02 | s0l5 | ok ill try and find the .bash_profile |
| 14:02.11 | stew | s0l5: its ~/.bash_profile |
| 14:02.20 | CoolCold | hi |
| 14:02.41 | CoolCold | i'm trying to setup debian etch with modified debian installer ( newer kernel ) |
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| 14:02.55 | wols_ | CoolCold: kmuto? |
| 14:03.12 | CoolCold | but i got error with error - dists/etch/Release is unsigned |
| 14:03.14 | CoolCold | wols_: yeah |
| 14:03.28 | wols_ | !tell CoolCold about errors |
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| 14:04.20 | pand0ra | Hi, I can't seem to get an xfont-string for ProggyTiny or ProFont, any help/ |
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| 14:04.46 | CoolCold | well, if this matters, the fulle message is |
| 14:04.50 | Younix | hmm, im using irssi in xterm and..alt + num won't work. ;/ any tips? |
| 14:04.59 | CoolCold | net-retriever: error: dists/etch/Release is unsigned |
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| 14:05.15 | CoolCold | from logs of my webserver i can see requests to Release.gpg |
| 14:05.33 | hoxu | Younix, put XTerm*eightBitInput: false / XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true in ~/.Xresources |
| 14:05.39 | CoolCold | so i guess i should disable this check somehow |
| 14:05.56 | stew | CoolCold: which mirror are you using? |
| 14:06.02 | unixslut | sup |
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| 14:06.47 | Younix | hoxu: there is no Xresources |
| 14:06.47 | s0l5 | anyone got a guide on how to add colour to SSH? |
| 14:06.50 | s0l5 | liven it up abit |
| 14:06.50 | Younix | create it? |
| 14:06.56 | CoolCold | stew: i'm using my local mirror, as it said in kmuto instruction - downloaded netboot & cd images, cd is mounted and exported with apache |
| 14:06.57 | hoxu | Younix, yes |
| 14:07.02 | Younix | k |
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| 14:07.26 | rcbarnes | Is there a way to find which files that are owned by packages dpkg/apt installed have been edited? I am looking for a way to find, for example, everything in /etc I've changed so I can selectively back up those files? |
| 14:07.41 | stew | CoolCold: are you able to "wget http://your.local.mirror/dists/etch/Release.gpg" ? |
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| 14:07.55 | CoolCold | stew: no, there is no such file |
| 14:07.56 | rcbarnes | s/\?$/./ |
| 14:08.08 | entaro_ | hey Psy| |
| 14:08.19 | stew | CoolCold: yes, then the error is correct. Release is not signed |
| 14:08.25 | s0l5 | anyone got a guide on how to add colour to SSH? |
| 14:08.40 | CoolCold | stew: yeah, i understand this |
| 14:08.50 | entaro_ | is there a way to install a bundle right after compilation? |
| 14:08.54 | stew | CoolCold: what is the question then? |
| 14:08.59 | CoolCold | but as i could understand after googling, cd are not signed at all |
| 14:09.03 | hoxu | s0l5, do you mean how to get a colored prompt? |
| 14:09.04 | unixslut | that's a secret |
| 14:09.17 | entaro_ | i was looking at build config, there seems to be some install path, but it does not work |
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| 14:10.45 | Younix | hmm, hoxu are you familiar with irssi? |
| 14:10.51 | entaro_ | wrong channel, ugh |
| 14:11.00 | CoolCold | stew: if u check original debian install cd, there is no Release.gpg file |
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| 14:11.10 | s0l5 | hoxu yes |
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| 14:11.19 | Younix | hoxu: now i can alt + 2 etc...but not back to the first window (1) |
| 14:11.21 | Younix | that's strange. |
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| 14:11.26 | CoolCold | entaro_: should u find channel u need in ya.ru ?:0 |
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| 14:11.33 | hoxu | s0l5, look in your ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile, it may have commented examples, look for "PS1" |
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| 14:11.50 | hoxu | Younix, strange indeed, does esc-1 work? |
| 14:11.55 | rcbarnes | No one? Should I assume that means it can't be done? |
| 14:12.09 | Younix | yes, hoxu |
| 14:12.14 | s0l5 | ok thanks |
| 14:12.38 | hoxu | rcbarnes, not sure about /etc, but /msg dpkg compromise check, debsums may do what you want |
| 14:12.39 | beardy | rcbarnes: I'm sure you could, but maybe not as easy as you'd want. |
| 14:12.52 | beardy | That might be it yes.. |
| 14:12.58 | entaro_ | CoolCold: your english sucks man =) |
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| 14:13.12 | CoolCold | entaro_: this doesn't matter at all ;) |
| 14:13.27 | entaro_ | да и по-ÑÑÑÑки пожно еÑли ÑÑо )) |
| 14:13.28 | hoxu | !u |
| 14:13.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:13.39 | beardy | rcbarnes: Otherwise, maybe you'd have to get all /etc files for what you have installed and compare them, see if they differ. What hoxu said sounds a lot nicer. |
| 14:13.53 | s0l5 | is ps aux the only way you can see the processes |
| 14:13.57 | CoolCold | entaro_: are u trying to use utf8 or what |
| 14:13.59 | Younix | s0l5: top ? |
| 14:14.13 | entaro_ | CoolCold: nm |
| 14:14.15 | rcbarnes | beardy, hoxu: thanks for the tips. :-D |
| 14:14.17 | hoxu | !tell s0l5 about search |
| 14:14.26 | hoxu | rcbarnes, no problem |
| 14:14.28 | Younix | hoxu: so what do you think? why isn't alt + 1 working |
| 14:15.17 | hoxu | Younix, no clue, but what kind of keyboard (layout) do you have? |
| 14:15.24 | Younix | you mean.. "us" ?? |
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| 14:15.43 | hoxu | Younix, I suggest you also ask on #irssi |
| 14:15.49 | Younix | already have. |
| 14:15.56 | Younix | they suggested it was the terminal emulator |
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| 14:16.19 | hoxu | probably... :) |
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| 14:16.28 | Younix | bah. |
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| 14:18.47 | pand0ra | I can't seem to get an xfont-string for ProggyTiny or ProFont, any help? |
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| 14:19.37 | SatMan | wow, is debian free? |
| 14:19.50 | CoolCold | stew: so, have u any ideas what to do? |
| 14:20.04 | s0l5 | SatMan yes.. |
| 14:20.27 | SatMan | does anybody ship free debian CDs like Ubuntu? |
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| 14:22.09 | s0l5 | SatMan i dont think so but you can buy them for around $1.99 off the net.. |
| 14:22.33 | SatMan | really? cool |
| 14:22.42 | SatMan | how much MB is it to download? |
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| 14:23.22 | CastingCrowns | Hi, can someone please help me with wireless networking? |
| 14:23.29 | hoxu | !ask-to-ask |
| 14:23.29 | dpkg | ask-to-ask is, like, Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol |
| 14:23.48 | SatMan | lool |
| 14:23.54 | SatMan | Ask Protocol |
| 14:24.39 | s0l5 | lol |
| 14:24.47 | CastingCrowns | I have a wireless network with wpa-psk encryption, my router sucks and will not issue an IP address, and knetwork manager will not allow me to enter an IP address manuallt. How can I get connected to my access point? |
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| 14:26.14 | abrotman | CastingCrowns: does it work without wpa? |
| 14:26.45 | stew | CoolCold: why does it matter that the Relese isnt' signed? |
| 14:26.49 | phorce1 | SatMan: you can download a "netinstall" CD which just installs the base system. Then you only download whatever packages you want to install from the repositories after that. netinstall CD is about 200MB if I recall correctly |
| 14:26.54 | stew | CoolCold: (the entire cd is signed instead) |
| 14:26.57 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: not really, for some reason I cannot connect to the router without specifying the IP address. |
| 14:27.13 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: not just my computer either |
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| 14:27.38 | abrotman | sounds like your router is messed up .. is it a linksys/dlink kind of thing? maybe you should ask #networking or #wireless |
| 14:28.06 | phorce1 | of course he /quits about 2 seconds before I hit <ENTER> |
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| 14:28.27 | CoolCold | stew: well, i'm using netboot, and cd is exported over http, so i guess signing matters |
| 14:28.52 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: Well I was in openSuse, and that allowed me to specify the IP address I wanted and I was able to connect to it just fine, but those tools dontt seem to be in debian, and network manager I think just sucks. |
| 14:29.18 | abrotman | CastingCrowns: man 5 interfaces .. do it manually |
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| 14:34.22 | CastingCrowns | When looking at the man pages, what does it mean when it says "see wireless(7)"? How do I see wireless(7)? |
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| 14:34.38 | master_of_master | hi, is it possible to get the (install-)size of a installed .deb? |
| 14:35.46 | orveldv | CastingCrowns: man 7 wireless |
| 14:36.06 | stew | master_of_master: dpkg -s packagename |
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| 14:36.20 | CastingCrowns | orveldv: Oh, cool, never knew that. that works for other ones as well with diferent numbers? |
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| 14:37.24 | orveldv | CastingCrowns: generally you don't have to specify the number ; but it has a reason(ing) |
| 14:37.48 | CastingCrowns | k |
| 14:38.09 | orveldv | CastingCrowns: see "man man" |
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| 14:40.13 | Acxty | hi, guys I have a computer with WAKE ON LAN enable, which application can I use to turn on and off the pc usign debian |
| 14:40.19 | dalm | After I install debian, is it easy to upgrade evrything? |
| 14:40.33 | wols_ | dalm: yes |
| 14:40.38 | wols_ | Acxty: etherwake prehaps? |
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| 14:43.45 | Acxty | wols, I know this is out of debian, Is it possible to turn on the PC from outside the LAN, let say using a public ip address or something like that |
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| 14:45.00 | Justin | Acxty: not really. best bet is to login to another PC on the lan and use that |
| 14:45.03 | wols_ | Acxty: by sending a magic packet |
| 14:45.26 | beardy | Acxty: If you have the wake on LAN, and let such packets in, probably. You should generally not do that though, on a puclic interface. |
| 14:45.42 | Acxty | thanks |
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| 14:46.39 | xand | what's the difference between testing packages bcm43xx-fwcutter and b43-fwcutter? |
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| 14:47.36 | cahoot | different generation of driver/module |
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| 14:47.52 | cahoot | b43 being the 'new' |
| 14:49.09 | Acxty | I ask this because I have 4 computers that are outside of the lan, and all of them have public ip |
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| 15:10.20 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:10.20 | dpkg | well, qotd101 is <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all |
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| 15:13.33 | keith4_ | i'm looking for a magical way to move an xwindow to another debian host on the same subnet, any ideas? |
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| 15:14.46 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 15:15.25 | hoxu | keith4_, X forwarding, man ssh |
| 15:16.08 | keith4_ | hoxu: yes, x forwarding is great and all.. but to my knowledge, it won't let me move an existing window |
| 15:16.17 | wfq | having debian lenny with a 2.6.22 debian kernel, all that I need to have ALSA installed is apt-get install alsaconf, alsautils and run alsaconf which detects my hardware fine. After that I run speaker-test and I cannot hear anything and I can not get any error in the syslog |
| 15:16.49 | keith4_ | wfq: did alsaconf load the proper modules for you? |
| 15:16.55 | wols_ | wfq: what about your mixser settings? |
| 15:17.11 | beardy | wfq: Speakers on, plugged in, volume up? |
| 15:17.19 | fordboy0 | wfq: alsamixer from the shell |
| 15:17.28 | hoxu | keith4_, and I guess something like vlc is not option either... there might be something that is capable of exporting the current display, but not sure if that helps |
| 15:17.48 | hoxu | !tell wfq about alsa checklist |
| 15:18.00 | fordboy0 | keith4, use nomachine NX |
| 15:18.00 | keith4_ | hoxu: vnc, you mean? |
| 15:18.07 | wfq | Keith4_ I think so.Alsa said it was successfully installed. wols_,beardy, fordboy0. Yes speakers are good and when I run alsamixer I have master at it maximum |
| 15:18.07 | hoxu | keith4_, correct :) |
| 15:18.23 | keith4_ | fordboy0: interesting |
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| 15:18.43 | fordboy0 | keith4: You can start a seamless window on one box, disconnect it and resume it on another box. |
| 15:18.48 | keith4_ | hoxu: yes, vnc is a compromise, for now, but isn't ideal. this nx magic looks promising |
| 15:19.10 | fordboy0 | keith4: There is a "Free forever" version that allows two named users and two concurrent connections. |
| 15:19.23 | fordboy0 | http://www.nomachine.com/download ;) |
| 15:19.28 | stew | hah |
| 15:19.44 | hoxu | non-free crud? :p |
| 15:19.52 | fordboy0 | The technology is OSS |
| 15:20.15 | fordboy0 | http://www.nomachine.com/sources.php |
| 15:20.29 | fordboy0 | They just don't give you the client source... |
| 15:20.54 | Justin | people are working on open clients, freenx, qtnx, etc |
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| 15:21.09 | fordboy0 | justin: It's an interesting model, for sure. |
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| 15:21.31 | fordboy0 | justin: freenx seems to have stagnated, and they use the older 1.5 client. |
| 15:21.43 | Justin | xpra also looks really cool, it just needs newer X stuffs to work |
| 15:21.48 | fordboy0 | justin: I've not heard of qtnx before. |
| 15:22.19 | fordboy0 | justin: looks interesting. |
| 15:23.03 | fordboy0 | justin: qtnx seems to have stagnated also. |
| 15:23.21 | Justin | fordboy0: oh? i remember reading about it on some blog recently |
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| 15:23.51 | fordboy0 | justin: Well, the page I've found may just be old:http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2006/08/23/qtnx-ready-for-public-consumption |
| 15:24.08 | Acxty | is there an application similar to the dude http://www.mikrotik.com/thedude.php |
| 15:24.26 | wfq | why should I need alsa-oss in order to get speaker-test working? |
| 15:24.37 | maligor | no |
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| 15:25.00 | fordboy0 | Acxty: Virtualbox / VMware if you _really_ need it, I suppose :) |
| 15:25.06 | Justin | Acxty: that page says it runs on linux with wine |
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| 15:25.31 | wfq | here my modules are http://pastebin.com/m54ba6a86 |
| 15:25.33 | fordboy0 | justin: even better |
| 15:25.35 | Acxty | Justin, I am trying it with wine but it doesn't run as well as in windows |
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| 15:25.49 | fordboy0 | acxty: virtualbox... |
| 15:25.58 | fordboy0 | acxty: if you have enough RAM, of course. |
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| 15:27.29 | wfq | why do I have a package calls alsa and alsabase. I can't istall alsa because debian says alsa-base is already installed http://pastebin.com/m254cf0bc |
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| 15:28.11 | cahoot | acording to your earlier post you have alsa running |
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| 15:29.20 | wfq | and my user is also added to the audio group and I have even tried with the root user and I can't yet here anything |
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| 15:30.01 | wfq | the only alsa-packagethat I have not installed yet is alsa-oss which appear in the checklist but I don't see the reason of having to have installed that |
| 15:30.09 | Mahalo | Hi, is this what I need to install Debian... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 15:30.09 | wfq | speaker-test should already work |
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| 15:30.57 | wfq | Mahalo, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 15:31.43 | cahoot | wfq: run alsamixer and make sure it's really unmuted |
| 15:32.01 | wfq | cahoot,I have four stuff: Master and p |
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| 15:35.15 | wfq | cahoot, is there one more log that I can check out besides /var/log/syslog? |
| 15:35.18 | Mahalo | Okay for direct http downloads it says download FIRST cd, but there is like 5 'first' cds at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 15:35.38 | wfq | I mean, for ALSA troubleshooting |
| 15:36.26 | Justin | wfq: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:36.49 | cahoot | wfq: run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a terminal - sound,silence,error? |
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| 15:37.33 | lontra | is there any way to downgrade from xorg 7.3 to 7.2? my video driver is now really slow compared to what it was with 7.2 |
| 15:38.07 | wfq | hmm, that is strange:I can not heare anything but I don see errors: Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono |
| 15:38.37 | cahoot | <Justin> wfq: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one listed? |
| 15:38.51 | Mahalo | so is this it http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 15:39.36 | lindenle | Hi I have a headless machine and I am logged into it right now, I want to reboot it but have it's consoleoutput redirected over eternet to a terminal on my aptop, is that possible? |
| 15:40.02 | Justin | lindenle: maybe, with ipmi |
| 15:40.33 | lindenle | what about over serial |
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| 15:41.56 | Mahalo | wow thanks alot |
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| 15:44.53 | fordboy0 | Mahalo: What is the architecture of the machine on which you want to install? |
| 15:45.15 | fordboy0 | Mahalo: If it's i386 then that's the CD you want |
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| 15:46.08 | Mahalo | yeah and I was wondering if this is the correct download link http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 15:46.24 | fordboy0 | Mahalo: That's the one I would use :) |
| 15:46.46 | fordboy0 | Unless you want KDE on the first disc, then use: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 15:48.05 | Mahalo | fordboy, Thank you, that was my very first question i asked and finally it got answered. Much appreciated |
| 15:48.17 | fordboy0 | Mahalo, no problem. |
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| 15:54.43 | dbmoodb | !moo |
| 15:54.43 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 15:56.15 | zophy | did anyone see the aurora borealis last night ? |
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| 15:56.58 | dbmoodb | zophy: yes i live in antartica ;_) |
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| 15:57.51 | zophy | i didn't know they had such a thing down there |
| 15:58.09 | dbmoodb | we have the aurora australias |
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| 15:59.19 | zophy | debian.org |
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| 15:59.23 | abrotman | dbmoodb: do you really? |
| 15:59.31 | dbmoodb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(astronomy) |
| 15:59.34 | zophy | oh |
| 15:59.37 | dbmoodb | !aurora |
| 15:59.59 | abrotman | dbmoodb: which station? |
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| 16:00.11 | zophy | say hi to the penguins foe me |
| 16:00.50 | lontra | dbmoodb: thanks |
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| 16:01.14 | RepairMaster | how can i install grub ? |
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| 16:01.21 | abrotman | grub-install |
| 16:01.25 | zophy | i was amazed by the aurora one time when i was young, it made my eyes flouresce |
| 16:01.30 | abrotman | aptitude install grub |
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| 16:02.01 | dbmoodb | by the way i don't actually live in antartica -- in case you missed it |
| 16:02.02 | RepairMaster | no , that i maked but i want install into boot loader |
| 16:02.13 | oulich | Hi is anyone know a way to retrieve a recently deleted file? (today my fingers works faster than my mind....) |
| 16:02.14 | abrotman | dbmoodb: i was asking because my brother is currently there |
| 16:02.27 | stew | RepairMaster: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 16:02.27 | wols_ | !tell oulich about undelete |
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| 16:02.48 | oulich | <wols_>undelete? |
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| 16:03.16 | wols_ | oulich: you got a PM by dpkg |
| 16:03.32 | dbmoodb | oh really ? wow |
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| 16:06.32 | XoX | is there a tool for checking if the cpu clock rate is being scaled down because of overheating ? p4 dual core cpu |
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| 16:07.31 | Absolute0 | XoX: top or htop doesn't do that? |
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| 16:08.18 | orthos05847381 | hello all - anybody here know a deb package that could convert videos so that I could upload some videos to youtube? |
| 16:08.25 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, I have moved my hard disk to another server, now how can I tell debian the new mac addresses of the NICs? |
| 16:08.56 | enouf | !z25 |
| 16:08.56 | dpkg | z25 is probably as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 16:09.26 | enouf | gonzaloaf_work: ^^^^ |
| 16:09.40 | gonzaloaf_work | enouf, excuse me? |
| 16:10.03 | enouf | i'm pointing up to the dpkg factoid i triggered |
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| 16:11.12 | Gorbulas | why doesn't backspace work in screen(works like forward delete) and how do I fix it in screen? |
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| 16:11.45 | foncused1 | any suggestions on a nice stable debian desktop? |
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| 16:12.15 | foncused1 | good wireless support, usb device detection etc etc |
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| 16:12.55 | wfq | foncused1, I love Xfce (usb device detection, wireless support, I think that depends on the system more rathen than the Desktop)? |
| 16:12.56 | enouf | Gorbulas: try ctrl + ? |
| 16:13.26 | wols_ | !tell foncused1 about hcl |
| 16:13.28 | Gorbulas | that's not doing anything |
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| 16:13.57 | Gorbulas | might get caught by my terminal |
| 16:14.01 | foncused1 | no worried about the wm really |
| 16:14.05 | foncused1 | kde will do me |
| 16:14.32 | enouf | Gorbulas: one more, ctrl + h |
| 16:14.33 | foncused1 | just thought the chan may have some nuggets of knowledge about a debian distro good for lappys |
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| 16:14.56 | Gorbulas | ctrl+h backspaces |
| 16:15.11 | foncused1 | kubuntu user at the mo, got a new hp laptop and am gonna spend the afternoon dual bootin |
| 16:15.12 | enouf | Gorbulas: i've heard of the issue, but maybe you have a Mac? |
| 16:15.46 | AwesomeGuy | if I install debian on a computer with a dialup modem, what command would make it use the modem to dial a dialup number? and how would I specify the pass/username |
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| 16:16.32 | Gun_Smoke | I'm trying to remember the dpkg command about time updates.... |
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| 16:17.25 | Gun_Smoke | meaning here, the bot dpkg.... Something about a smart man would install blah blah package or the like. |
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| 16:18.46 | enouf | !ntp |
| 16:18.46 | dpkg | ntp is probably the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 16:18.54 | enouf | !set the time |
| 16:18.54 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 16:21.29 | Gun_Smoke | enouf: That is it.. Thanks. |
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| 16:21.41 | enouf | np |
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| 16:22.54 | enouf | AwesomeGuy: kppp, wvdial, (minicom, pppoe) ? |
| 16:23.49 | AwesomeGuy | so wvdial will work |
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| 16:25.04 | amphi | AwesomeGuy: pppconfig works well, I found - then you do 'pon foo' and 'poff foo' to connect/disconnect |
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| 16:26.43 | JoeThomas | Is there any GUI to manage fonts in non gnome-kde environments? TTF ALso |
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| 16:29.43 | Kr|ptiX | im haven apt-get update an im haven sound problems can someone help |
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| 16:30.36 | stew | Kr|ptiX: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 16:32.02 | gonzaloaf_work | enouf, so if I move the disk to another computer the mac addresses will update automatically? |
| 16:32.27 | Kr|ptiX | iim gettn a no supported pci or pnp card found |
| 16:33.20 | stew | Kr|ptiX: what card do you have? do you know? |
| 16:33.49 | Kr|ptiX | not really sure i t hink its realtek |
| 16:34.03 | stew | Kr|ptiX: is the hardware newish or oldish? |
| 16:34.14 | Kr|ptiX | newish i got a dell xps 1210 |
| 16:34.24 | stew | Kr|ptiX: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:35.01 | Eulex | !tell Kr|ptiX about laptop |
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| 16:35.21 | ricosecada | How the bliip do I install nvidia for lenny? |
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| 16:36.25 | Younix | can any of you suggest a lightweight internet browser (that has a gui) |
| 16:36.28 | Younix | iceweasel just isn't cutting it |
| 16:36.50 | hoxu | Younix, konqueror or opera? |
| 16:36.58 | Younix | blips. |
| 16:37.04 | Younix | konqueror isn't that for kde? |
| 16:37.11 | hoxu | yes |
| 16:37.19 | ricosecada | Younix, kazehakase |
| 16:37.20 | Younix | i have 64MB of ram.. |
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| 16:38.40 | Eulex | Younix, links2 |
| 16:38.48 | Eulex | links2 -g |
| 16:38.55 | Younix | :D |
| 16:38.56 | Younix | alright. |
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| 16:39.03 | oulich | Hi have just delete accidently a file with eclipse so the file is not in the trash...someone knows a way to retrieve a recently deleted file please? ... I'm running on debian lenny on a ext3 system file... |
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| 16:39.36 | MolePrince | !rt73 |
| 16:39.37 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2573/RT2671 (rt73) is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT73_Linux_STA_Drv1.0.4.0.tar.gz. Enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt73-cvs-daily.tar.gz (the required 'rt73.bin' firmware file is included). Also ask me about <rt2x00>. |
| 16:40.05 | oulich | no one can help me? |
| 16:40.19 | ricosecada | !nvidia |
| 16:40.19 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 16:40.21 | Kr|ptiX | stew: 2.6.21.5 |
| 16:40.25 | Eulex | oulich, do only bother if it is very important, it is very hard and time consuming but you can do it. |
| 16:40.31 | Eulex | !tell oulich about undelete |
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| 16:40.53 | enouf | gonzaloaf_work: i thought you did already |
| 16:41.02 | ricosecada | oulich, you can't |
| 16:41.10 | oulich | damn! |
| 16:41.35 | enouf | Younix: Eulex was dead on with links2 -g ;-) |
| 16:41.43 | gonzaloaf_work | enouf, noup |
| 16:42.00 | Eulex | ricosecada & oulich, wrong: you can, but it is hard. |
| 16:42.29 | enouf | gonzaloaf_work: well, if you end up with eth3 and eth4 rather than eth0 and eth1 you'll know why .. and how to change that |
| 16:42.30 | gonzaloaf_work | enouf, in the z25 file appear the mac addresses of the current server, but #ifconfig gives me no NICs |
| 16:42.44 | oulich | <Eulex>what's the way? |
| 16:42.49 | enouf | you're not making sense |
| 16:42.58 | Eulex | oulich, follow the link dpkg told you about. |
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| 16:43.17 | oulich | yes allright I have seen |
| 16:43.27 | oulich | it looks very very complicated |
| 16:43.36 | Younix | enouf: alright then. :P |
| 16:43.38 | oulich | and take a lot of time |
| 16:43.43 | mofino | It seems an admin here accidently installed "testing" packages into stable, how do I get stable to reinstall these packages? |
| 16:43.49 | stew | Kr|ptiX: so you compiled you own kernel. did you include alsa when you were compiling it? |
| 16:43.59 | Eulex | oulich, indeed. |
| 16:44.02 | stew | Kr|ptiX: (and is there a reason you aren't using a debian compiled kenrel?) |
| 16:44.22 | chops | !tell mofino about downgrade |
| 16:44.24 | oulich | I will rewrite my code... |
| 16:44.28 | oulich | that's all |
| 16:44.41 | mofino | thanks. |
| 16:44.44 | oulich | the next time I think I'll be more alert |
| 16:44.58 | chops | mofino: Er |
| 16:45.02 | chops | mofino: That's not the right one, sec |
| 16:45.03 | Kr|ptiX | stew: i got BT3 or w/e its called |
| 16:45.12 | Eulex | oulich, I'd only bother if rewriting takes more than a half to 1h |
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| 16:45.39 | ricosecada | oulich, That's why I said you can't, not like in completely impossible, but very difficult. |
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| 16:45.58 | mofino | chops, oh... |
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| 16:46.03 | stew | Kr|ptiX: i don't know what that is |
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| 16:46.12 | stew | Kr|ptiX: did you include alsa when you compiled your kernel? |
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| 16:46.17 | Eulex | tb3? |
| 16:46.19 | foncused1 | anyone given xubuntu a try? |
| 16:46.33 | Eulex | or what is the name of that network driver? |
| 16:46.34 | stew | foncused1: please go to #xubuntu for questions about xubuntu |
| 16:46.34 | Eulex | ah, tg3 |
| 16:46.44 | lymeca | So I tried compiling a kernel using make-kpkg and not only did the resultant .deb not update grub's menu.lst, but when I manually specified it to boot off of this dom0 kernel it complained that it wasn't a valid bootable kernel |
| 16:46.49 | chops | !tell mofino about downgrade2 |
| 16:47.00 | oulich | <Eulex><ricosecad> thyanks anyway |
| 16:47.01 | foncused1 | just an open ended question for a general idea |
| 16:47.07 | foncused1 | will try the live cd |
| 16:47.12 | mofino | chops, nice! |
| 16:47.18 | mofino | thank you very much |
| 16:47.20 | stew | foncused1: you can also try ##linux. this channel is just for debian support |
| 16:47.21 | chops | mofino: That's the one. Remember that it's unsupported and not at all guaranteed to work in general. |
| 16:47.35 | mofino | chops, sure sure, thanks again |
| 16:47.39 | chops | mofino: np |
| 16:47.40 | foncused1 | just debian, or debain derivatives? |
| 16:47.43 | Eulex | mofino, note that it quite likely will not 'just work'; packages are not made for downgrading. |
| 16:47.48 | stew | foncused1: just debian |
| 16:47.51 | mofino | Eulex, indeed |
| 16:47.56 | mofino | but either way, it needs to be done |
| 16:48.06 | chops | mofino: Good luck |
| 16:48.09 | Eulex | foncused1, this channel only does pure debian |
| 16:48.09 | mofino | thank you |
| 16:48.22 | foncused1 | pure debain is a little too hardcore for me |
| 16:48.30 | foncused1 | did a net install once |
| 16:49.00 | foncused1 | just adding all the other bits etc is a little run before walking for me |
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| 16:49.19 | mofino | someone thought it was a good idea to install zope from testing into stable |
| 16:49.26 | mofino | "that's what some guy said on a mailing list somewhere" |
| 16:49.29 | mofino | BAD IDEA! |
| 16:49.40 | mofino | backports.org, use it. |
| 16:49.44 | mofino | sighs. |
| 16:50.12 | Kr|ptiX | stew: i got BT3 or w/e its called |
| 16:50.16 | Eulex | mofino, don't let clueless people near important servers |
| 16:50.27 | mofino | Eulex, well you hope they have clue, they rarely do |
| 16:50.41 | abeco | Hello, can anyone say me how to disable printing kernel messages to the default console (when I use an editor like nano or vi and I plug a usb, disconnect a net wire or put the card in promiscous mode that is shown in the console and spoils me the edition of the file) |
| 16:50.48 | stew | Kr|ptiX: i saw that before. however, i have no idea what you are talking about |
| 16:50.50 | Kr|ptiX | stew: man i guess ill redo it or w/e |
| 16:50.55 | stew | Kr|ptiX: redo what? |
| 16:51.06 | Eulex | abeco, /etc/syslog.conf |
| 16:51.12 | Kr|ptiX | stew: reinstall this stuff cuz nttn workn right |
| 16:51.26 | stew | Kr|ptiX: is there a reason you aren't using a debian kernel? |
| 16:51.31 | stew | Kr|ptiX: what else isnt' working right? |
| 16:51.37 | Eulex | oh wait, I dunno if that could actually solve it |
| 16:51.57 | Eulex | Kr|ptiX, what's bt3? a driver? |
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| 16:52.27 | Kr|ptiX | stew: it aint lettn me login as a regular user not lettn me use apt-get upgrade sound |
| 16:52.48 | stew | Kr|ptiX: what are you expecting "apt-get upgrade sound" to do? |
| 16:52.59 | stew | Kr|ptiX: what happens when you try to login as a regular user? |
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| 16:53.07 | Kr|ptiX | stew: doesnt let me startx |
| 16:53.14 | stew | Kr|ptiX: why not? |
| 16:53.20 | stew | Kr|ptiX: do you get an error? |
| 16:53.35 | mofino | abeco, it's possible, can't remember where it is though |
| 16:53.37 | Kr|ptiX | stew: ah not sure let me try to login an see wat error i get |
| 16:53.42 | hark | abeco: /etc/sysctl.conf; look for kernel.printk |
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| 16:54.23 | mofino | abeco, there you go |
| 16:54.24 | daedra | i have a fresh install of etch, and irssi doesn't launch clicked links in a browser |
| 16:54.30 | abeco | thanks |
| 16:54.38 | abeco | I couldn't remember the fil too :) |
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| 16:54.54 | mofino | abeco, it's a kernel var |
| 16:54.57 | abeco | I have changed a file some time ago... but now I am in another system |
| 16:54.57 | mofino | not really a file |
| 16:55.03 | daedra | how do I make gnome-terminal launch the browser on a clicked link? |
| 16:55.11 | mofino | daedra, you don't |
| 16:55.26 | mofino | daedra, you either figure it out or install a distro that sets it up for you |
| 16:55.37 | daedra | :D |
| 16:55.40 | mofino | :) |
| 16:55.43 | abeco | let me guess: # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console |
| 16:55.47 | stew | daedra: does it work if you right click, and say "open in web browser" or whatever? |
| 16:56.06 | daedra | stew: yes, the option is offered "Open link in browser" |
| 16:56.07 | mofino | daedra, check your /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 16:56.16 | mofino | make sure it links to something real |
| 16:56.17 | stew | daedra: and that option works? |
| 16:56.24 | daedra | stew: no |
| 16:56.50 | daedra | "/media/usbdisk/music/Cream |
| 16:56.50 | abeco | just one thing, the daemon that I need to restart is syslog (AKA sysklogd) isn't it? |
| 16:56.53 | stew | daedra: what does "readlink -f $(which x-www-browser)" return? |
| 16:56.54 | daedra | oops lol |
| 16:57.11 | daedra | epiphany |
| 16:57.21 | daedra | meant to be firefox but meh |
| 16:57.31 | hark | daedra: set it in gnome-default-applications-properties |
| 16:57.54 | mofino | or, ln -s path-to-firefox /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 16:57.58 | mofino | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:58.16 | stew | mofino: that should be done with update-alternatives, not manually |
| 16:58.19 | mofino | or update-alternatives |
| 16:58.23 | mofino | whatever |
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| 16:58.28 | mofino | it updates a symlink |
| 16:58.36 | mofino | it's not doing anything else. |
| 16:58.39 | abeco | thanks hark and mofino |
| 16:58.54 | stew | mofino: it updates multiple symlinks |
| 16:59.02 | daedra | man update-alternatives ... |
| 16:59.08 | daedra | *i'll be a while* |
| 16:59.11 | Eulex | mofino, the symlink will be reset on package upgrades. |
| 16:59.30 | mofino | i see, maybe it does more then eh |
| 16:59.31 | mofino | heh |
| 16:59.47 | stew | oh, looks like there is a gnome-www-browser alternative now |
| 16:59.51 | mofino | sort've strange, symlinks should be the authority |
| 16:59.54 | mofino | not some debconf database. |
| 17:00.07 | mofino | unless "the registry" is what debian is aiming for ... |
| 17:00.09 | mofino | shudders |
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| 17:00.40 | daedra | it should be the user that chooses |
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| 17:00.48 | daedra | not apt-get |
| 17:00.59 | mofino | daedra, yes, but it's how that configuration is handled |
| 17:01.19 | mofino | if it's stored in a debconf style DB or stored on the FS unix style |
| 17:01.25 | Eulex | mofino, I'm actually not 100% sure, but I believe that's how it works. |
| 17:01.34 | mofino | Eulex, i think you're wrong actually |
| 17:01.41 | mofino | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.58 | daedra | is confused |
| 17:02.02 | mofino | using any other means would require all packages to be aware of it |
| 17:02.03 | Eulex | ah right, I misread you earlier |
| 17:02.08 | mofino | symlinks are much simplier |
| 17:02.14 | mofino | daedra, nothing to be confused about |
| 17:02.19 | mofino | daedra, update the symlink |
| 17:02.25 | mogra | I have an Etch server running ircd-ircu, how does one setup a NickServ/ChanServ? |
| 17:02.25 | Eulex | thought you wanted to change the symlink of /usr/bin/x-www-browser. |
| 17:02.33 | mofino | Eulex, that is it. |
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| 17:03.04 | Eulex | but yeah, /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser is the correct one |
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| 17:03.06 | daedra | okay |
| 17:03.16 | Eulex | while /usr/bin/x-www-browser would be overwritten |
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| 17:03.29 | stew | you guys should all stop guessing |
| 17:03.31 | mofino | no |
| 17:03.41 | mofino | there is no guessing |
| 17:03.44 | mofino | this isn't rocket science |
| 17:03.47 | stew | update-alternatives does not just update symlinks, it stores user preferences as well |
| 17:03.48 | zelip | hi guys I have a dualcore duo and I want to install 64bit OS, can I install the AMD64 version? |
| 17:04.01 | zelip | since ia64 i'm guessing is only for itanium processors |
| 17:04.02 | mofino | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.10 | daedra | ln -s /usr/bin/x-www-browser /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 17:04.13 | mofino | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.14 | stew | daedra: no |
| 17:04.16 | mofino | YES |
| 17:04.18 | mofino | that will work |
| 17:04.19 | stew | daedra: use update-alternatives |
| 17:04.22 | mofino | jesus christ |
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| 17:04.25 | daedra | AHHHH |
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| 17:04.31 | daedra | rips off face |
| 17:04.35 | Kr|ptiX | k im back |
| 17:04.36 | Authority | zelip, yes, that is correct |
| 17:04.41 | Eulex | zelip, yes. |
| 17:04.42 | mogra | gives face back to daedra |
| 17:04.48 | stew | daedra: otherwise it will not remember your preferences when you upgrade / install other packages |
| 17:04.49 | mofino | daedra, it's simple |
| 17:04.52 | Kr|ptiX | sweet Fatal Server Error Cannot Move old file ("/var/log/Xorg.0.log to "/var/logXorg.0.log.old" |
| 17:04.57 | mofino | stew, you are INCOREECT |
| 17:04.57 | zelip | so amd64 will work with a intel dualcoreduo? |
| 17:04.59 | mofino | INCORRECT |
| 17:05.02 | daedra | lol |
| 17:05.06 | stew | mofino: which part is incorrect? |
| 17:05.07 | Eulex | zelip, yes. |
| 17:05.09 | daedra | it's no biggie |
| 17:05.11 | zelip | cool thanks |
| 17:05.13 | mofino | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.21 | mofino | it trancends package updates |
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| 17:05.26 | mofino | transcends |
| 17:05.33 | daedra | here goes |
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| 17:05.41 | stew | mofino: why do you think that he should not be also updating the alternatives database? |
| 17:05.51 | mofino | show me where this database is |
| 17:05.54 | eeccho | guys, how do i stop kernel from reporting me about 'not loading blacklisted module', into syslog? |
| 17:05.59 | stew | mofino: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives |
| 17:06.05 | mofino | eeccho, you dont |
| 17:06.15 | stew | mofino: if the alternative is in auto mode, it will be changed with a pacakge upgrade /install |
| 17:06.27 | stew | mofino: and changing the symlink by hand won't take the alternative out of auto mode |
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| 17:07.02 | stew | s/will be changed/could be changed/ |
| 17:07.05 | daedra | i mean ln -s /usr/bin/iceweasel /usr/bin/x-www-browser |
| 17:07.10 | daedra | yeah it works |
| 17:07.11 | stew | daedra: use update-alternatives |
| 17:07.19 | mofino | sigh |
| 17:07.19 | stew | daedra: mofino is giving you misinformation |
| 17:07.25 | daedra | but i'll just have to see what happens when i apt update |
| 17:07.36 | mofino | daedra, you'll have to update /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives as well |
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| 17:07.39 | mofino | sigh |
| 17:07.48 | mofino | why two spots for the same thing, i'll never know |
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| 17:08.11 | stew | mofino: becuase they are not for the same thing |
| 17:08.16 | mofino | i see that |
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| 17:08.29 | pat5star | Kr|ptiX: is it because of your typo? don't you mean: /var/log/Xorg.0.log to /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old <- note the forgotten slash |
| 17:08.35 | stew | daedra: don't touch /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives, just use update-alternatives |
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| 17:08.53 | daedra | actually no mofino, since /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives maps to /usr/bin/x-www-browser |
| 17:09.00 | ricosecada | I have just updated from etch to lenny for my desktop system, now when I try to set the windows theme using kcontrol, it doesn't change. Is this a known issue? |
| 17:09.05 | daedra | so you update the highest one in the symlink chain, bingo |
| 17:09.07 | Younix | can someone tell me how i would kill all these processes at once? killall isn't doing it:: http://pastebin.ca/955445 |
| 17:09.14 | Kr|ptiX | pat5star: well how do i fix it |
| 17:09.18 | mofino | daedra, oh good |
| 17:09.19 | daedra | stew: thanks |
| 17:09.21 | mofino | then i'm not crazy |
| 17:09.24 | daedra | lol |
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| 17:09.46 | mofino | daedra, actually, no |
| 17:09.55 | mofino | daedra, it's a real file, with real info in it |
| 17:09.58 | Justin | Younix: killall -9 sox? |
| 17:10.03 | daedra | WHAT |
| 17:10.07 | Justin | Younix: kill the parent process? |
| 17:10.15 | cahoot | pkill sox? |
| 17:10.15 | mofino | daedra, yeah, /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 17:10.31 | Younix | Justin: i just said killall doesn't work :P |
| 17:10.37 | daedra | either way, launching the link in terminal now opens up iceweasel |
| 17:10.41 | daedra | so :p |
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| 17:10.43 | Justin | Younix: you didn't say killall -9 didn't work |
| 17:10.46 | keith4_ | why would apt want to upgrade ivtv-modules-2.6.18-6-686 to the version that I already have installed? |
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| 17:10.56 | mofino | daedra, sure but as stew mentioned, debian is strict on the alt db |
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| 17:10.56 | Younix | Justin: my bad. killall -9 doesn't work. |
| 17:11.03 | Justin | Younix: kill the parent process |
| 17:11.06 | daedra | hmm |
| 17:11.06 | Younix | hwo |
| 17:11.07 | mofino | you'll need to update that file with the new info |
| 17:11.08 | Younix | how*** |
| 17:11.09 | stew | mofino: what did i mention? |
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| 17:11.15 | mofino | stew, the alt db |
| 17:11.15 | pat5star | kr|ptiX: is that a command you typed yourself that gave you the error message? If so, and you are just trying to move the file, then this should do it: mv /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 17:11.21 | daedra | i'll relink it to the parent symlink then |
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| 17:11.26 | stew | ugh |
| 17:11.29 | mofino | daedra, no no |
| 17:11.34 | mofino | daedra, .... sigh |
| 17:11.34 | ricosecada | !kde |
| 17:11.34 | dpkg | [kde] a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 17:11.43 | stew | mofino: he doesnt' have to update any file. he just has to use update-alternatives |
| 17:11.44 | Kr|ptiX | pat5star no thats a error i get when tryn to login as a regular user |
| 17:11.50 | stew | mofino: can you please stop |
| 17:11.54 | mofino | what? |
| 17:11.57 | daedra | i like this trial and error, student/guru situation |
| 17:11.57 | mofino | stew, what's your problem? |
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| 17:12.04 | mofino | stew, you do realize this isn't windows |
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| 17:12.10 | mofino | and you are free to edit any files you want |
| 17:12.16 | daedra | i want to do it on command line |
| 17:12.16 | keith4_ | bad! |
| 17:12.22 | mofino | bad? |
| 17:12.23 | Younix | Justin: ..?? |
| 17:12.26 | daedra | and it is giving lulz |
| 17:12.26 | mofino | how do you learn otherwise? |
| 17:12.27 | Justin | Younix: with kill |
| 17:12.43 | mofino | daedra, you are safe to manually edit that file, or loft through the update-alt man page |
| 17:12.54 | keith4_ | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 17:12.56 | mofino | i'd prefer to just update the file and get it done |
| 17:12.57 | stew | mofino: my problem is that you are acting like you know what you are talking about with the alternatives system, when you clearly don't. you are giving him bad advice, and confusing him. you never by the way told me how i am INCORRECT. |
| 17:12.58 | Younix | Justin: syntax? |
| 17:13.01 | zelip | debian has a usbkey installation, how do i put it in? do i have use the mini iso file? or just dragn drop the files in there? |
| 17:13.10 | Justin | Younix: kill <pid> |
| 17:13.12 | daedra | keith4_: does that launch some ncurses interface |
| 17:13.13 | mofino | stew, sure fine |
| 17:13.22 | mofino | stew, but bottom line is, it's SAFE TO DO |
| 17:13.23 | stew | mofino: just becuase you can edit files, doesn't mean it is a good idea to edit files, especially when there are tools to edit them for you in a foolproof way |
| 17:13.28 | keith4_ | daedra: is ncurses not "command line" enough for you? |
| 17:13.31 | mofino | stew, i'm not giving insane advice here |
| 17:13.33 | Younix | Justin: which one is the PID |
| 17:13.38 | Younix | they're all different, right? |
| 17:13.39 | daedra | no |
| 17:13.55 | cahoot | Younix: tried pkill sox? |
| 17:13.55 | pat5star | kr|ptiX: Oh, so something is trying to move that file everytime you login? I'm looking to see what would do that because I've never encountered that before. I wonder if it has something to do with your logrotate daemon? |
| 17:14.05 | keith4_ | daedra: then it's a good thing it's not ncurses |
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| 17:14.31 | efaherty | hey , does anybody know how i can reinstall a package and force the overwriting of files? |
| 17:14.38 | mofino | i'm not saying compile your own kernel and setup the .config by hand |
| 17:14.41 | Justin | Younix: man ps, 'tree' example |
| 17:14.46 | AwesomeGuy | if I install gnome, do I get free garnen-nomes? |
| 17:14.48 | AwesomeGuy | lol, jk |
| 17:14.50 | mofino | make config! |
| 17:14.51 | Younix | cahoot: didn't work |
| 17:14.52 | pat5star | kr|ptiX: have you made any changes to your logrotate.conf files recently? |
| 17:14.55 | Kr|ptiX | pat5star idk kno man im really new to this stuff |
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| 17:15.10 | Kr|ptiX | pat5star no |
| 17:15.29 | Kr|ptiX | pat5star no not that i kno of |
| 17:15.30 | pat5star | kr|ptiX: ok, well give me a minute, I'll look into it for you |
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| 17:15.42 | stew | mofino: you are saying, that instead of using a tool which makes it very easy to select an item from a list, that instead he should alter multiple symlinks by hand, then edit a file with a non-published file format. and given those two choices, yours is silly |
| 17:16.01 | mofino | stew, meh, it gets it done |
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| 17:16.14 | mofino | without having to wade through an incredible man page |
| 17:16.23 | mofino | it has a terminology section |
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| 17:16.32 | mofino | that's insane |
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| 17:16.44 | stew | mofino: he woulnd't have to. he would jsut have to run "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" as i told him. and type a number and enter |
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| 17:16.49 | mofino | it maintains symlinks, it doesn't plot the stars |
| 17:16.50 | Kcaj | php -f /srv/www/htdocs/NewDec/dec2/index.php >/logs/logs.txt |
| 17:16.57 | Kcaj | WIll that append the results to a logfile? |
| 17:17.01 | Kcaj | (from cron) |
| 17:17.10 | stew | mofino: as we've already covered, it does more than maintain symlinks, somehting that you were not even aware of when this started |
| 17:17.11 | mofino | stew, or blow away a symlink ;) |
| 17:17.20 | fengor | no Kcaj it will delete the file and create it new and then log into it |
| 17:17.23 | mofino | dude, in the end, it's a symlink |
| 17:17.24 | fengor | for appending use >> |
| 17:17.29 | Kcaj | ok |
| 17:17.32 | mofino | can't change what it is... |
| 17:17.32 | daedra | its like visudo or vi /etc/sudoers |
| 17:17.46 | Kcaj | :D |
| 17:17.47 | mofino | daedra, one is more anal then the other |
| 17:18.03 | fengor | Kcaj: cron jsut takes a single command and runs it. so i'm not sure if bash redirections actually work |
| 17:18.03 | mofino | crontab -e vs vi /var/spool/cron/user |
| 17:18.14 | Kcaj | They do I use other ones |
| 17:18.14 | fengor | maybe you will have to wrap it in a script and run the script in cron |
| 17:18.25 | AwesomeGuy | debhelper |
| 17:18.26 | Kcaj | >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 17:18.26 | fengor | oh ok, then have fun :) |
| 17:18.30 | Kcaj | O ise tjat pm ,yu ptjer crpm |
| 17:18.32 | AwesomeGuy | woops |
| 17:18.34 | AwesomeGuy | wrong channel |
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| 17:18.39 | Kcaj | Oops, lol |
| 17:18.39 | daedra | dvorak? |
| 17:18.40 | daedra | lol |
| 17:18.41 | mofino | 2>&1 >/dev/null |
| 17:18.43 | Kcaj | I use that on another cron, I meant |
| 17:18.55 | mofino | doesn't work |
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| 17:19.06 | Kcaj | Yeah that is to make the output null |
| 17:19.07 | LimCore | should smartctrl work on SATA drives? |
| 17:19.11 | daedra | "<>Pyfgcrl |
| 17:19.33 | Justin | Kcaj: just put '/usr/local/bin/daily_crap' in cron, and put your silly php commands in THAT script |
| 17:19.55 | Kr|ptiX | can someone help me fixx my sound |
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| 17:20.47 | shze | i have an problem using dhcp together with iptables.. |
| 17:20.52 | keith4_ | daedra: once in awhile, there is some method to the madness |
| 17:21.08 | keith4_ | if there is a tool to do something that looks like it can be done easily and manually, think twice about NOT using the tool |
| 17:21.16 | keith4_ | because there is often a good reason for the tool's existence |
| 17:21.21 | daedra | fair enough |
| 17:21.27 | shze | i read the sequence is discover, offer, request, ack, but i get dopped packets in between |
| 17:21.35 | daedra | in this case its symlinks anyway |
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| 17:21.40 | stew | daedra: its not. stop |
| 17:21.56 | pat5star | kr|ptiX: what do you get when you type this: ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:21.56 | daedra | its not? |
| 17:21.56 | stew | daedra: its also the database to remember your preferences |
| 17:21.58 | keith4_ | daedra: i would listen to stew over mofino any day of the week |
| 17:22.16 | daedra | hmm |
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| 17:22.26 | pat5star | kr|ptiX: oops, should read: ls -l /etc/X11/Xorg.conf |
| 17:22.30 | stew | daedra: if you just change the symlinks, your preferences will be forgotten and they could be overwritten when new packages are installed |
| 17:22.31 | keith4_ | in fact, i would listen to stew over many people |
| 17:22.45 | stew | daedra: in the case when the alternative is in auto mode and not manual mode |
| 17:22.47 | shze | how can i allow them? or can i drop them? |
| 17:23.31 | Justin | shze: don't block packets to port 68? |
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| 17:24.04 | shze | Justin: outgoing packets are allowed, and incoming with established and related |
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| 17:24.42 | shze | Justin: or do established and related only work with tcp, but not with dhcp using udp? |
| 17:24.55 | Justin | shrugs |
| 17:24.55 | keith4_ | why would apt want to upgrade ivtv-modules-2.6.18-6-686 to the version that I already have installed? |
| 17:25.07 | daedra | bah |
| 17:25.11 | daedra | well thanks stew |
| 17:25.19 | daedra | i'll give update-alt a go |
| 17:25.29 | Justin | Kcaj: pastebin apt-get upgrade -s |
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| 17:26.03 | aoeu | how effective is cleaning a drive with dd if=/dev/urandom of=/random ? |
| 17:26.11 | abrotman | !dban |
| 17:26.11 | dpkg | it has been said that dban is http://dban.sf.net/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
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| 17:26.21 | daedra | aoeu: it takes bloody ages |
| 17:26.22 | abrotman | aoeu: and your command wouldn't do much |
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| 17:26.56 | aoeu | do i have to write directly to the device to do any good? |
| 17:27.11 | aoeu | or will the command i sent do a decent free space write? |
| 17:27.21 | aoeu | is paranoid |
| 17:27.21 | Kcaj | Output from command php -f /srv/www/htdocs/NewDec/dec2/index.php >>/logs/logs.txt 2>&1 .. |
| 17:27.22 | keith4_ | the command you sent... won't do anything |
| 17:27.24 | Kcaj | No output generated |
| 17:27.31 | Kcaj | WHy do I get that? ;_; |
| 17:27.35 | keith4_ | ask in ##php |
| 17:27.37 | Kcaj | There is echoes and such |
| 17:27.38 | daedra | i think you meant dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/your_partition |
| 17:27.38 | Kcaj | ok |
| 17:27.59 | daedra | but yea can take DAYS depending on size of parition |
| 17:28.05 | abrotman | aoeu: try the "dban" stuff that dpkg mentioned .. it takes awhile, but probably better than your proposed method for actually destroying data |
| 17:28.09 | aoeu | i just want to clean my drive's free space, not overwrite my whole drive |
| 17:28.12 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:28.18 | abrotman | why? |
| 17:28.31 | keith4_ | he just deleted all of his porn ;-) |
| 17:28.31 | aoeu | i'm paranoid |
| 17:28.38 | keith4_ | doesn't want the wife to un-erase it |
| 17:28.38 | abrotman | aoeu: you might want to look at 'shred' for stuff like that |
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| 17:28.43 | daedra | lol |
| 17:28.51 | daedra | norton ghost your ass |
| 17:29.05 | aoeu | oh yes, i just got done deleting the kiddy porn spam from my gtk-gnutella folder |
| 17:29.15 | pat5star | kr|ptiX: actually, this might fix your problem: sudo chmod u+s /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg; sudo chown root:root /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg; then reboot (or ctrl alt backspace) |
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| 17:30.13 | abrotman | aoeu: man shred |
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| 17:30.29 | aoeu | well i already deleted the offending files |
| 17:30.35 | aoeu | next time i'll just use shred |
| 17:30.51 | Kr|ptiX | pat5star k i did i guess it worked or w/e but i dont wanan reboot until i fix my sound an fix apt-get command |
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| 17:30.57 | LimCore | aoeu: lol? how it got there |
| 17:31.17 | keith4_ | aoeu: looks at "bcwipe" |
| 17:31.23 | LimCore | aoeu: move all to other drive, shred all, move back |
| 17:31.29 | jeward | abrotman: I just etched another Dell 1550 and it works fine. I remember what's different about the onme that doesn't work. During the upgrade, it asked me what RAID devices were needed to boot and I said "all", but there are no RAIDS on the box. How do I undo the result of answering "all" to that question? |
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| 17:31.36 | Kr|ptiX | pat5star can u help me with my sound |
| 17:31.50 | abrotman | jeward: uhm .. do you know hwich package asked that? |
| 17:31.59 | aoeu | LimCore, let's just say that you should never use select all when using a gnutella client |
| 17:32.17 | jeward | abrotman: Unfortunately, I do not. |
| 17:32.31 | pat5star | kr|ptiX: I'm not good with sound issues, can't help you there..but what's your problem with apt-get? |
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| 17:32.36 | LimCore | aoeu: lol |
| 17:32.39 | abrotman | jeward: you might be able to check the debconf DB and see if you can find it |
| 17:32.40 | keith4_ | aoeu: http://linuxreviews.org/man/bcwipe/ maybe the -F option |
| 17:32.50 | jeward | abrotman: Okay, thanks! |
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| 17:32.59 | Kr|ptiX | pat5star well when i do apt-get upgrade i get a error |
| 17:33.00 | stew | Kr|ptiX: you need a kernel that supports sound. is there a reason you aren't using a debian kernel? |
| 17:33.10 | stew | Kr|ptiX: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:33.54 | aoeu | keith4_, thanks, ill try that |
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| 17:34.21 | keith4_ | aoeu: be very careful, i don't want to see you come back here complaining that you lost all of your data |
| 17:34.36 | AwesomeGuy | how do i change my password? |
| 17:34.48 | pat5star | AwesomeGuy: passwd |
| 17:35.26 | aoeu | also, how do i keep a command running after i close a ssh session? |
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| 17:35.36 | Kr|ptiX | pat5star http://pastebin.ca/955471 |
| 17:35.37 | aoeu | "foo &" isn't working |
| 17:35.38 | SlimeyPete | aoeu: screen |
| 17:36.00 | abrotman | aoeu: or nohup |
| 17:36.04 | SlimeyPete | aoeu: if you install screen, then execute it and run the command, you can detach the screen and log off; it'll keep running and you can re-attach it later |
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| 17:37.58 | pat5star | kr|ptiX: try dpkg-reconfigure perl |
| 17:38.20 | stew | Kr|ptiX: what does "dpkg -l debconf" return? |
| 17:38.32 | stew | he wont' be able to, his debconf is broken |
| 17:38.44 | stew | (dpkg-reconfigure, that is) |
| 17:38.46 | stew | afaict |
| 17:39.05 | aoeu | abrotman, thanks, nohup works |
| 17:39.14 | stew | Kr|ptiX: what distro are you running, anyway? |
| 17:39.14 | lymeca | I compiled a dom0 2.6.22 kernel image using make-kpkg and the resulting image file is ~10MB which is almost 10x the size of the default etch 2.6.18 dom0 kernel image. How can I use strip to make my custom kernel smaller? |
| 17:39.17 | pat5star | stew: oh ok...I'm just taking a wild stab. Never had apt-get break on me before (knocks on wood!) |
| 17:39.20 | aoeu | is going to go out and ride his bike now in the snow |
| 17:39.39 | aoeu | while theres still snow lol |
| 17:39.45 | aoeu | its supposed to be spring |
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| 17:40.17 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 17:42.58 | DukeDrake | can I somehow telll wget not to follow a redirect (like 302) ? |
| 17:43.02 | s_ | If I wanted to modify the CFLAGs used by a compile, I'd want to edit the top-level Makefile, right? |
| 17:43.10 | DukeDrake | (can't find a word about that in the manpage) |
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| 17:45.47 | stew | s_: usually, but this is very much dependent on the makefiles themselves |
| 17:45.57 | Younix | dpkg: yoohoo |
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| 17:55.28 | sgiduffy | hi, i have the debian etch cd, i installed it but i saw lenny in action and it has mmore new software and now i want to install that one, but i first want to know if i can make a distro upgrade instead of waiting to download and burn the cd |
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| 18:01.10 | itchi | sgiduffy: Sure you can |
| 18:01.38 | abrotman | !tell sgiduffy about etch->lenny |
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| 18:04.47 | sgiduffy | i see theres a command "dist-upgrade" is only that or "aptitude dist-upgrade" ? |
| 18:05.32 | abrotman | man aptitude .. aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 18:05.59 | FordCortina | dist-upgrade is deprecated now, you should use full-upgrade. i think ;) |
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| 18:07.29 | sgiduffy | i see FordCortina, and how succesfull the upgrade will be, i know theres a lot of ppl improving this knids of operations everytime but just want to know if it will be the same as burning an original lenny iso |
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| 18:07.44 | sgiduffy | or at leats stable |
| 18:08.22 | FordCortina | sgiduffy: oh sry. i stand corrected |
| 18:09.27 | FordCortina | shuffles away in shame |
| 18:10.08 | sgiduffy | FordCortina ¿¿?? u didnt answered |
| 18:10.11 | FordCortina | i dont know if those options are in stable |
| 18:10.33 | FordCortina | but in lenny |
| 18:10.35 | FordCortina | and sid |
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| 18:11.17 | FordCortina | aptitude tells you to use safe-upgrade and full-upgrade in preference to upgrade and dist-upgrade |
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| 18:11.38 | FordCortina | i thought you were telling me off sry :) |
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| 18:12.27 | sgiduffy | FordCortina i dont understand u :) |
| 18:12.42 | FordCortina | :) argh |
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| 18:13.28 | FordCortina | im sry i didnt really see your question, you should just ignore me :). and i should shut up |
| 18:13.28 | Gorbulas | enouf: sorry, my battery died while you were helping me with screen |
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| 18:13.55 | berzerka | sgiduffy: it will most certainly not be "the same", since the testing repository is constantly changing. if you download a lenny iso, you get a snapshot of the packages from some point in time (if not doing a netinstall). you will afterwards upgrade the system, and in the end get "the same" as if upgrading from etch to lenny now. (or doing a netinstall with a lenny iso, which will also directly get the latest packages). |
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| 18:14.33 | Gorbulas | backspace key is forward delete, ctrl+? does nothing, crtl+h is backspace |
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| 18:17.19 | freebird | you guys, I'm trying to install qmail, but It's not working, I'm getting this exactly error on 2 machines, qmail channel has nobody available, google did not help much, the error is: http://pastebin.com/m514bbd72 |
| 18:17.29 | freebird | please, anybody has gone thru that ? |
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| 18:18.24 | daedra | how do i get ntfs-3g running on etch? |
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| 18:23.08 | Gorbulas | when I connect to my Debian box and press ctrl+v backspace, I get ^? |
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| 18:23.31 | Gorbulas | then, if I launch screen and do the same I get ^[[3~ |
| 18:24.01 | Gorbulas | what happened? |
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| 18:26.11 | daedra | nevermind |
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| 18:28.56 | kairo | Can I get the date of installation date from my Debian? |
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| 18:31.34 | joltcan | kairo: You want to know when it was installed? |
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| 18:31.40 | simonrvn | Gorbulas: yes, different shells / environments do backspace differently. what's the problem? |
| 18:31.58 | simonrvn | kairo: that info is not available anywhere unless you made a note of it |
| 18:32.00 | Gorbulas | well, in screen the backspace key works like forward delete |
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| 18:32.25 | Gorbulas | ctrl+v delete produces exactly the same code |
| 18:32.31 | HoMi | Guten abend habe probleme mit mein APt-get |
| 18:32.33 | s_ | stew: Like if I wanted my freeciv build to use -march=k8 -msse3, I'd just put that into the CFLAG line in the top-level Makefile? |
| 18:32.40 | s_ | stew: Or perhaps is there something I could pass to configure? |
| 18:33.06 | mbroeker | HoMi, #debian.de for german speakers :) |
| 18:33.21 | HoMi | thx |
| 18:33.23 | nebnav | hi, how can i share my internet connection over a telephone line between two computers? |
| 18:33.29 | stew | s_: i'm not familiar withthe freeciv makefiles. if i were you, i'd get the debian sources, and see if/how CFLAGS are being set in debian/rules : /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 18:33.35 | Gorbulas | if it helps any, launching screen also breaks colors |
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| 18:34.15 | kairo | joltcan: yes |
| 18:34.20 | stew | Gorbulas: do you have a custom .screenrc in your $HOME (that might be futzing with terminfo) |
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| 18:34.34 | chops | kairo: "ls -l --sort=time --time=ctime /etc" will probably give you an idea |
| 18:34.43 | Gorbulas | no just the et/c/screenrc that came with the Debian package |
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| 18:35.04 | Gorbulas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:36.25 | dv____ | hmm |
| 18:36.36 | dv____ | I have gcc and gcc-4.3 installed here |
| 18:36.54 | dv____ | ("gcc" being gcc 4.2.3) |
| 18:37.00 | chops | dv____: gcc is a metapackage that depends on the recommended version of gcc |
| 18:37.02 | dv____ | how can I set gcc-4.3 as the default gcc? I cant find it in the alternatives |
| 18:37.04 | joltcan | kairo: I don't know a perfect way, but perhaps you can see when the homedir of the first user was created or something like that |
| 18:37.51 | kairo | chops i make this, in root user. but is not 100% secure. |
| 18:37.57 | stew | dv____: if your makefiles are sane, setting the CC environment variable: "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.3" should work |
| 18:38.08 | kairo | joltcan: yes, i see root home dir |
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| 18:38.41 | chops | kairo: Do you mean that you think 'ls -l --sort=time --time=ctime /etc' is not reliable? |
| 18:39.27 | kairo | chops, on aix i look lslpp -h bos.rte.install |
| 18:39.40 | stew | eh? |
| 18:39.42 | kairo | chops: yes and no :) |
| 18:39.53 | chops | kairo: Right |
| 18:40.04 | chops | kairo: I don't know of any better way than that, no. |
| 18:40.24 | kairo | chops: thanks :) |
| 18:40.28 | chops | kairo: np |
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| 18:42.42 | PleXuS | is it possible to recompile the default debian kernel? |
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| 18:44.59 | joltcan | kairo: I was more thinking of the first created user in /home |
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| 18:45.51 | jelly-home | PleXuS: of course |
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| 18:46.37 | PleXuS | jelly-home, how? any site where its been explained :) .. becoz it seems to work different then gentoo kernel compiling |
| 18:47.35 | craigevil | PleXuS: /msg dpkg kernel compile |
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| 18:48.13 | bolt | ahh |
| 18:48.19 | bolt | i love it when things i don't care to learn just work |
| 18:48.23 | bolt | does the victory dance |
| 18:48.35 | PleXuS | craigevil, thanks |
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| 18:53.07 | AwesomeGuy | wireless networks use 2.4GHz right? |
| 18:53.13 | AwesomeGuy | isn't that what microwaves use? |
| 18:53.50 | Justin | AwesomeGuy: depends which kind of wireless network |
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| 18:54.13 | AwesomeGuy | my wireless router says 2.4GHz on it |
| 18:54.14 | Inktjet | hi, i would like to run gpg --decrypt on my OSX installation, is that possible, if so how? or some other way i can decrypt gpg documents |
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| 18:54.29 | wols_ | AwesomeGuy: generaly yes. as does bluetooth |
| 18:54.41 | AwesomeGuy | how is that safe? |
| 18:54.57 | Kevin` | AwesomeGuy G and B use 2.4ghz. A uses 5ghz. yes it's in the ISM 2.4ghz band same as microwaves. |
| 18:54.58 | wols_ | how is your cellphone safe? or TV or radio? |
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| 18:55.09 | AwesomeGuy | idk |
| 18:55.17 | Kevin` | AwesomeGuy it's much lower power then a microwave oven, and what would it do anyway, heat you? =p |
| 18:55.18 | wols_ | your microwave uses 600W. what do you think how much your wlan uses? |
| 18:55.29 | AwesomeGuy | if they're using microwave signals, how aren't they cooking us alive? |
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| 18:55.43 | Kevin` | AwesomeGuy because the most powerful ones are about .5 watt |
| 18:55.47 | simonrvn | long-term exposure |
| 18:55.49 | wols_ | for the same reason your mobile phone isn't cooking oyu |
| 18:55.56 | wols_ | or your TV reception |
| 18:56.10 | AwesomeGuy | I have cable |
| 18:56.11 | Kevin` | AwesomeGuy it doesn't have near the power to cook you |
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| 18:56.36 | amphi | AwesomeGuy: also ~5.1 - ~5.8 |
| 18:56.46 | Gorbulas | the copy of screen that comes with Fedora Core 5 works perfectly |
| 18:56.55 | wols_ | your mobile is several times worse since you keep it directly near your brain when used AND it sends with more power |
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| 18:57.12 | Gorbulas | what did Debian do to screen that I can't use colors or the backspace key? |
| 18:57.13 | laptor | hello |
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| 18:57.36 | Justin | Gorbulas: what terminal emulator are you using? |
| 18:57.51 | Gorbulas | your TV doesn't send the TV signal so it doesn't matter if you have cable or not |
| 18:58.01 | solar_sea | I want to forbid a user to login but I want the account to be there, so that he can use samba. I've set his shell to /bin/false, now is there a way to disable a certain user from kdm ? |
| 18:58.02 | Gorbulas | Terminal.app on Mac OS 10.5 |
| 18:58.16 | wols_ | Gorbulas: nothing. I have colors and a working backjspace key out of the box |
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| 18:59.18 | Gorbulas | my TERM variable is xterm-color |
| 18:59.33 | Gorbulas | and everything works in ssh, just not in Debian's screen |
| 18:59.43 | AwesomeGuy | sends Gorbulas the TERM signal |
| 18:59.47 | AwesomeGuy | lol I turned you off |
| 19:00.26 | laptor | I have some problem if I download debian from debian serever the frist time it give me 120k/s after it be 1 or 2 b/s if i download 45% |
| 19:00.37 | laptor | what's the problem? |
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| 19:01.57 | Justin | laptor: use a different mirror? |
| 19:02.09 | laptor | I used |
| 19:02.20 | laptor | if you know the best give me plz |
| 19:02.26 | Gorbulas | I'd just swipe the screen executable off the school's FC5 computers and try that, but my iBook has a PPC processor |
| 19:02.34 | laptor | I need the best server |
| 19:02.36 | Gorbulas | (the iBook is the one with Debian) |
| 19:02.52 | Justin | Gorbulas: debians screen works fine |
| 19:03.00 | Gorbulas | but not for me |
| 19:03.11 | wols_ | Gorbulas: worn't work either way. it's not screen that's broken |
| 19:03.29 | Gorbulas | Fedora's screen works just fine |
| 19:03.31 | wols_ | it's your config and/or the way terminal.app accesses it |
| 19:04.21 | fordboy0 | Gorbulas: For instance, screen works as you describe in Debian with xfce4-terminal, but perfectly with gnome-terminal. |
| 19:04.28 | laptor | Justin I wait you :( can u help me plz? |
| 19:04.50 | Justin | laptor: no |
| 19:05.05 | wols_ | !tell laptor about mirrors |
| 19:05.14 | Gorbulas | Ubuntu users with xfce say to switch the terminal to send ^H instead of the normal backspace key when you use screen |
| 19:05.18 | fordboy0 | Gorbulas: If I config xfce4-terminal to send CTRL-H as backspace and ASCII DEL as Delete, everything works as expected. |
| 19:05.51 | fordboy0 | Gorbulas: Correct :) |
| 19:05.51 | Gorbulas | I don't want to set that because then backspace doesn't work when I'm on other computers |
| 19:06.12 | wols_ | Gorbulas: are you on ubuntu or debian? |
| 19:06.15 | Gorbulas | and it still doesn't explain where all the colors go |
| 19:06.18 | Gorbulas | Debian testing |
| 19:06.27 | fordboy0 | Gorbulas: ls -la --color=always |
| 19:06.28 | Gorbulas | same issue on Debian stable |
| 19:06.44 | Gorbulas | my command prompt isn't in color either |
| 19:07.08 | laptor | wols_ you need name mirrors? |
| 19:07.25 | fordboy0 | Gorbulas: Is your PROMPT actually color? |
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| 19:07.36 | Gorbulas | it is before I start screen |
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| 19:09.05 | Gorbulas | ls -la --color=always does get the color to come back for ls |
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| 19:10.20 | fordboy0 | Gorbulas: you may wish to make an alias for ls then. |
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| 19:11.05 | fordboy0 | Gorbulas: Lookie here |
| 19:11.06 | fordboy0 | http://gentoo-wiki.com/Talk:TIP_Using_screen |
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| 19:11.55 | fordboy0 | Gorbulas: a the ~/.screenrc anyway |
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| 19:13.10 | Kr|ptiX | im haven problems with the adduser cmd with login in but it wont let me do startx |
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| 19:13.46 | nse | hello everybody. I need to see an important windows media video file and the codecs aren't doing it |
| 19:14.23 | nse | it is said that the version of my package which make them avaliable are is the newest |
| 19:14.27 | nse | what can I do? |
| 19:15.40 | freebird | you guys, I'm installing qmail, will I need a local dns server ? how doe's that work ? can I use no-ip.com ? please, I can't undestand that part |
| 19:16.34 | Kevin` | freebird you are installing qmail to recieve mail directly, right? |
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| 19:17.24 | freebird | Kevin`, yeah, I want a email server, |
| 19:17.28 | petemc | freebird: qmail is obsolete, consider using postfix or exim |
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| 19:17.44 | Kevin` | freebird you don't need a local dns server, but you do need an mx record pointing correctly to the computer |
| 19:17.48 | petemc | freebird: and you dont need a local dns server, tho it can speed things up |
| 19:17.59 | orveldv | freebird: just to run qmail (and generally a MTA) you don't need a local dns server |
| 19:18.29 | Kevin` | you can use a dynamic ip and no-ip type services, with some thought on design |
| 19:18.31 | freebird | I see, and will I need an external dns server ? or it wont be needed at all ?? |
| 19:18.47 | itchi | freebird: You can setup a mail server to fetch all the mail of you different users from they own IPS (or whatever) |
| 19:18.55 | Kevin` | you don't need your own server, but you do need a domain with the proper records hosted Somewhere |
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| 19:19.33 | itchi | freebird: Dyndns seems to work for this, but don't have any experiences with it |
| 19:19.34 | lithophyte | I want to install debian on my flash drive.. but debian-installer binary doesn't exist |
| 19:19.41 | joltcan | freebird: ...and you have to pray that your ISP doesn't block incoming port 25 |
| 19:19.44 | Kevin` | you could have a record like freebird.com IN MX freebird.no-ip.org though. |
| 19:19.54 | Justin | lithophyte: what doesn't exist? |
| 19:20.20 | itchi | lithophyte: If the installer detect that device, you can install on it |
| 19:20.22 | Kevin` | I forgot a number for mx |
| 19:20.34 | freebird | Kevin`, what's MX ? |
| 19:20.47 | Kevin` | you don't need your own server, but you do need a domain with the proper records hosted Somewherehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record |
| 19:20.51 | Kevin` | oops |
| 19:20.52 | petemc | Kevin`: you also forgot a period at the end record |
| 19:20.54 | joltcan | freebird: Priority of mail server |
| 19:20.54 | itchi | freebird: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record |
| 19:20.55 | fordboy0 | freebird: Just an FYI, dynamic DNS works great for mailservers, but you would be advised to use a smarthost to send, as many dynamic IP blocks are set in the blacklists. |
| 19:21.03 | Kevin` | freebird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record |
| 19:21.09 | itchi | dah |
| 19:21.44 | Kevin` | petemc and the beginning, if that's the case. heh |
| 19:21.57 | petemc | Kevin`: the beginning? |
| 19:22.08 | Kevin` | not important. |
| 19:23.53 | itchi | freebird: What are you plans with a mail server? |
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| 19:24.27 | fordboy0 | itchi: spam server |
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| 19:25.01 | orveldv | folks, is there some utility that parses /var/log/aptitude and /var/log/dpkg, and that can search & show the install/remove/upgrade history for a specific package, pretty much like genlop does on gentoo? |
| 19:25.48 | itchi | freebird: In my case, i just use a mail server with a basic setup. Each user fetch the mail from other mail servers (like from my ISP who give me 5 emails and gmail). My home user can fetch they mail, even on my laptop it is configured to fetch it from my imap server. So that i always have my mail, on whatever comp i may be at home |
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| 19:26.41 | Kr|ptiX | im haven problems with the adduser cmd with login in but it wont let me do startx |
| 19:27.38 | freebird | itchi, I want my server clients to be able to have there own emails |
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| 19:29.34 | stew | Kr|ptiX: are you ever going to answer any questions that I ask you? or should I not bother trying to help you? |
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| 19:31.00 | PleXuS | hmm |
| 19:31.02 | stew | Kr|ptiX: what does "dpkg -l debconf | tail -1" return? |
| 19:31.07 | PleXuS | make menuconfig don't work :| |
| 19:31.12 | stew | Kr|ptiX: what distro are you running? |
| 19:31.22 | PleXuS | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:32:20: error: curses.h |
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| 19:31.31 | stew | PleXuS: isntall libncurses5-dev |
| 19:31.39 | PleXuS | aah ok :) thanks |
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| 19:32.38 | Kr|ptiX | stew : -bash: dpkg: command not found |
| 19:32.39 | Kr|ptiX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.51 | stew | Kr|ptiX: what distro is this? |
| 19:33.21 | cusco | as root |
| 19:33.33 | petemc | why? |
| 19:33.34 | cusco | ops sorry |
| 19:33.34 | stew | doesn't matter who runs it |
| 19:33.41 | Kr|ptiX | steww: im not sure how do i check i got it off remote-exploit |
| 19:33.59 | cusco | why did you join debian? |
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| 19:35.02 | stew | Kr|ptiX: we can't help you. find an irc channel that is specific to whatever linux distribution you are running |
| 19:35.50 | stew | now i understand what he meant by BT3 |
| 19:35.54 | Kr|ptiX | stew: bt3 is based on slackware |
| 19:36.04 | fordboy0 | stew: Backtrack... |
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| 19:36.17 | stew | Kr|ptiX: then you shouldn't be asking questions here |
| 19:36.27 | Kr|ptiX | srry :( |
| 19:36.35 | Kr|ptiX | someone in there told me to join this chan |
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| 19:36.40 | stew | Kr|ptiX: they mislead you |
| 19:37.11 | nse | it is because everybody in here is fine and elegant :) |
| 19:37.24 | PleXuS | hmm not smart, i only listen to myself :) rofl |
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| 19:38.58 | PleXuS | Core Duo Mobile with kernel compile.. i need to check Pentium-M ? becoz i only see the newer core 2 duo/xeon option |
| 19:39.07 | nesta- | hey peeps, can anyone remind me of the name of the program that gives you a mouse cursor on the console? |
| 19:39.25 | CharminTheMoose | nesta-, gpm |
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| 19:39.35 | nesta- | thank you. |
| 19:39.49 | Younixx | anyone know why there might be a lot of static produced while listening to mp3s? |
| 19:39.50 | Younixx | using alsa |
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| 19:40.15 | stew | Younixx: volume on either PCM or master is turned up too high? |
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| 19:40.43 | stew | Younixx: if one of those is turned all the way up, turn that one down and raise the other instead |
| 19:40.44 | Younixx | maybe :o |
| 19:40.44 | david-work | /n |
| 19:40.50 | Younixx | all of them are turned up |
| 19:40.54 | Younixx | + to the maximum |
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| 19:41.09 | qubodup | hi there, I just formatted a vfat partition, can I recover the lost files using linux? |
| 19:41.33 | Gorbulas | qubodup: assuming you didn't use Microsoft's fdisk, probably |
| 19:41.58 | Gorbulas | at least the content of the files should still be there |
| 19:42.21 | Younixx | stew: okay that's better |
| 19:42.23 | Younixx | thanks. :P |
| 19:42.30 | qubodup | Gorbulas: It was a cannon digital camera's formatting fuction |
| 19:42.44 | qubodup | So what manuals should I read now? |
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| 19:43.48 | Gorbulas | I don't remember the name of the program, but there's at least one free program that will search a disk for images |
| 19:44.09 | qubodup | what do you mean by images? |
| 19:44.20 | Gorbulas | jpeg files probably |
| 19:44.35 | qubodup | hm. well I want to recover wav files |
| 19:44.37 | Gorbulas | searches for some other stuff too |
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| 19:45.14 | Gorbulas | you can probably find those assuming they were wav files and not raw pcm |
| 19:46.00 | Gorbulas | I don't know how much is actually still on the disk or how vfat works, so it may be easier to do than I think |
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| 19:47.44 | awesomeguy` | how to i make it go back to normal mode when it's in console mode? when you press ctrl-alt-F1 |
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| 19:48.22 | fordboy0 | qubodup: IIRC, FAT/FAT32 file systems do not delete files, they just use a '?' in the FAT... |
| 19:48.41 | petemc | i think he said he formatted |
| 19:48.45 | awesomeguy` | ???? |
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| 19:49.00 | fordboy0 | Even so. |
| 19:49.05 | fordboy0 | Most formatting is not complete. |
| 19:49.07 | qubodup | will try test disk and gddrescue |
| 19:49.11 | fordboy0 | Just a removal of the partition table |
| 19:49.18 | intx | for some reason openssh suddenly stopped accepting my key (or anyone else's for that matter), any idea how I can find out why? |
| 19:49.19 | fordboy0 | Check 'magicrescue' |
| 19:49.24 | fordboy0 | apt-get install magicrescue. |
| 19:49.27 | fordboy0 | May help :) |
| 19:49.29 | petemc | fordboy0: you think to format a filesystem it just removes the first few characters of existing files? |
| 19:49.41 | fordboy0 | petemc: no, that's for deletion in VFAT. |
| 19:49.43 | fordboy0 | BUT |
| 19:49.44 | qubodup | okay, thx |
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| 19:49.59 | fordboy0 | Formatting generally does NOT wipe every sector on the disk... |
| 19:50.14 | fordboy0 | It usually just "resets" the FAT |
| 19:50.16 | petemc | wipe is an ambiguous term |
| 19:50.22 | fordboy0 | Of course this is all based on MS VFAT |
| 19:50.36 | fordboy0 | Ok, it generally does not over-write every sector on the disc. |
| 19:50.44 | intx | does openssh have a log file somewhere (besides auth.log, which isn't telling me anything?) |
| 19:50.54 | fordboy0 | If it did, it would take quite some time to format that 250GB drive. |
| 19:51.36 | fordboy0 | intx: Set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:51.43 | fordboy0 | LogLevel DEBUG |
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| 19:51.51 | fordboy0 | Should give you more info. |
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| 19:52.21 | fordboy0 | intx: don't forget to restart the daemon |
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| 19:52.40 | qubodup | It was a quick format |
| 19:52.42 | fordboy0 | intx: # /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 19:52.48 | AwesomeGuy | I deleted all my files from /home/kurt (I'm kurt) and now I can't open terminal windows |
| 19:52.53 | intx | fordboy0, thanks! |
| 19:52.57 | AwesomeGuy | how do I fix that |
| 19:52.59 | fordboy0 | intx: Good luck :) |
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| 19:53.07 | intx | I'll need it :) |
| 19:53.08 | fordboy0 | AwesomeGuy: Restore them from backup. |
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| 19:53.32 | AwesomeGuy | what backup |
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| 19:53.40 | smtp | hey |
| 19:53.42 | fordboy0 | AwesomeGuy: Ok. Is the actual home folder gone? |
| 19:53.46 | AwesomeGuy | no |
| 19:53.50 | caravel | good evening/day |
| 19:53.50 | AwesomeGuy | just all the files in it |
| 19:53.54 | fordboy0 | ie. /home/awesomeguy is still there? |
| 19:53.58 | AwesomeGuy | ya |
| 19:54.01 | AwesomeGuy | it's just empty |
| 19:54.07 | smtp | I run syslogd -r, but it doesn't appear to listen to port 514. (I do fuser -n udp 514 and I don't get anything). Any ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 19:54.19 | fordboy0 | AwesomeGuy: Ok, did you log out of gnome or whatever window manager you are using |
| 19:54.27 | AwesomeGuy | no |
| 19:54.51 | fordboy0 | AwesomeGuy: Well, I would do that as your ~/.Xauthority file is gone. |
| 19:54.58 | fordboy0 | As are all of your other settings. |
| 19:55.00 | fordboy0 | BUT |
| 19:55.10 | fordboy0 | When you re-login much will be re-created. |
| 19:55.21 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
| 19:55.30 | caravel | I need some guidance to restore an ext3 part, as backed up using clonezilla, onto a new disk with a different partition layout. Could anyone please enlighten me or at least point me to a better channel ? |
| 19:55.40 | qubodup | is trying "testdist" luckily it's pretty automatic |
| 19:56.18 | fordboy0 | caravel: Not familiar with Clonezilla, but you could restore it to a temporary disk and dd it to the new drive :) |
| 19:56.31 | fordboy0 | Or you could just mount it and cp -a everything to the new filesystem. |
| 19:56.42 | fordboy0 | Use a live distro... |
| 19:56.48 | fordboy0 | For the surgery. |
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| 19:57.37 | AwesomeGuy | why are so many config files kept in my folder? |
| 19:57.49 | AwesomeGuy | they should be put in some file in .etc |
| 19:57.53 | fordboy0 | AwesomeGuy: No |
| 19:57.53 | AwesomeGuy | * /etc |
| 19:58.03 | qubodup | AwesomeGuy: Every user has different config |
| 19:58.04 | fordboy0 | AwesomeGuy: They are your personal configuration files. |
| 19:58.10 | SlimeyPete | hmm... every tutorial I read states that enabling contrib and non-free repos should give me access to a bunch of nvidia packages, but it doesn't seem to work. Does this not work in Lenny? |
| 19:58.22 | fordboy0 | AssomeGuy: They layer on top of the system config... |
| 19:58.31 | grimboy | Hey, I'm using this xrandr thing for dual heads with the intel driver and I can't get a virtual screen bigger than 2048x2048 (I've turned off hardware acceleration in my xorg.conf). When I set a larger value (like 2560x1024), Xorg just blanks my screen half way through gnome starting up. I can position my screens on top of each other or next to each other with a large overlap. Is there any way I can have them next to each other with |
| 19:58.32 | grimboy | no overlap? |
| 19:58.50 | stew | AwesomeGuy: freedesktop.org is pushing to move then all into .config, which is very very slowly getting adopted |
| 19:58.55 | fordboy0 | grimboy: Unfortunately, the intel driver sucks. |
| 19:59.03 | qubodup | SlimeyPete: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 19:59.10 | fordboy0 | stew: Yes, it might be nice if this happens. |
| 19:59.35 | SlimeyPete | qubodup: yeah, that's one of the tutorials I referred to. |
| 19:59.40 | qubodup | SlimeyPete: + you need to update your repo |
| 19:59.51 | qubodup | I mean your package manager |
| 19:59.56 | grimboy | fordboy0, Ah, damn. Maybe I'll go back to i810 and use xinerama. |
| 19:59.57 | SlimeyPete | I modified my sources.list accordingly, ran apt-get update but don't seem to be able to access the nvidia source package |
| 20:00.08 | SlimeyPete | apt-cache search doesn't show it |
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| 20:00.33 | fordboy0 | grimboy: I'm not all that thrilled, as it doesn't support Virtual screen sizes either. |
| 20:00.35 | SlimeyPete | ah |
| 20:00.36 | qubodup | SlimeyPete: installing it doesn't work? |
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| 20:00.50 | SlimeyPete | "Testing users: NVIDIA packages are currently not in testing due to lack of maintainance, a Linux bug and X server 1.4's ABI change. " |
| 20:00.57 | SlimeyPete | that'll be the problem, then |
| 20:01.02 | abrotman | !pal nvidia users |
| 20:01.02 | dpkg | points at nvidia users and laughs |
| 20:01.19 | AwesomeGuy | where is sources.lst kept? |
| 20:01.20 | fredl | hey guys. I just got optimistic and fiigured I'd grab some video from my camera. But what's up with 2.6.22 and userland firewire applications?? |
| 20:01.23 | abrotman | /etc/apt/ |
| 20:01.24 | SlimeyPete | AwesomeGuy: /etc/apt/ |
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| 20:01.30 | fredl | it seems neither dvgrab nor kino work. |
| 20:01.37 | abrotman | fredl: yes, they broked it .. bady |
| 20:01.38 | abrotman | badly |
| 20:01.55 | SlimeyPete | abrotman: heh... I'll keep using nvidia until there's a decent alternative that'll play the latest games ;) |
| 20:02.01 | caravel | fordboy0: ok ^^ no disk avail, not sure how to mount the image -- I'll try to manipulate partimage by hand, thanks for the suggestion anyway |
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| 20:02.09 | fredl | abrotman - I've seen bug reports dating back from december, isn't it about time somebody fixed that? is there a workaround that you know of? |
| 20:02.13 | beowu1f | please help: i did a chgrp -hR users /. by mistake and now i cannot su into root from a normal user [su: authentication failure] |
| 20:02.17 | qubodup | SlimeyPete: you can install the driver directly then |
| 20:02.25 | beowu1f | what do habe to go fix? |
| 20:02.28 | SlimeyPete | qubodup: yeah, I think I'll do that |
| 20:02.29 | fordboy0 | caravel: Is there room on the destination? |
| 20:02.39 | SlimeyPete | I just figured it'd be best to do it the "debian way" if possible |
| 20:02.45 | qubodup | yeah |
| 20:02.47 | fordboy0 | caravel, what is the partition? /home /etc ? |
| 20:02.53 | abrotman | fredl: get on it! |
| 20:03.05 | fordboy0 | SlimeyPete: See what you get for doing it the right way :-D |
| 20:03.08 | abrotman | fredl: why haven't you fixed it yet? :) |
| 20:03.09 | fredl | abrotman - heh as if I have time for that :) |
| 20:03.10 | abrotman | fredl: http://layer-acht.org/blog/debian/#1-155 |
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| 20:03.46 | qubodup | SlimeyPete: in case something breaks: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:04.13 | SlimeyPete | cheers. |
| 20:05.37 | abrotman | fredl: that was more to link you to the bug reports .. use those kernels at your own risk .. holger has blue hair! |
| 20:05.49 | abrotman | or did i think the last time i saw a picture |
| 20:06.15 | fredl | abrotman - I figured that much from his use of the language |
| 20:06.51 | fredl | aw heck, I might as well just boot into 2.6.21 |
| 20:07.05 | abrotman | slacker! |
| 20:07.19 | fredl | damn right :) |
| 20:07.19 | caravel | fordboy0: the part is a root partition (that one is an ubuntu) - no room on dest. I also have more recent backups (ghost images) but the restored part boots until it complains about fs corruption. the e2fsck is a never ending operation |
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| 20:07.48 | SlimeyPete | hrm. Is the amd64 smp kernel 64-bit only or is there a 32-bit version? |
| 20:07.56 | PleXuS | wohoow :) problem fixed.. just updating the kernel rofl :) |
| 20:08.10 | fredl | abrotman - I wish I had more time in a day so I also could be bothered with hacking things like firewire that should be known technology by now :) |
| 20:08.23 | chops | SlimeyPete: The amd64 kernel is 64-bit; there's no such thing as 32-bit amd64 |
| 20:08.31 | avtobiff | hehe |
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| 20:08.47 | caravel | fordboy0: hence I attempted to use my clonezilla backup, a few days old, unfortunately the interface is designed only to restore without changing the partition layout (which is the reason why I need to restore now, after changing the layout) |
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| 20:08.53 | SlimeyPete | chops: ok... I was wondering if it was just a 32-bit kernel with some exra compatibility options turned on or something |
| 20:08.57 | AwesomeGuy | it's saying bittorrent is installed but I can't find it anywhere |
| 20:09.02 | chops | SlimeyPete: Nope |
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| 20:09.42 | chops | AwesomeGuy: So 'dpkg -l' reports that bittorrent is installed, but the files listed in 'dpkg -L bittorrent' don't exit? |
| 20:09.45 | chops | *exist? |
| 20:09.56 | SlimeyPete | then.... wtf am I running... I started with a 486 kernel, installed the amd64 kernel package... but I think all the other software I'm running is compiled for i386 |
| 20:10.00 | SlimeyPete | scratches head |
| 20:10.03 | AwesomeGuy | I just meant it's not in nay of the menus |
| 20:10.05 | abrotman | fredl: sell the house, mortgage the kids |
| 20:10.12 | AwesomeGuy | like paplications and places |
| 20:10.17 | AwesomeGuy | * applications |
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| 20:10.22 | giubbettina | is away: See my screenshots http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots |
| 20:10.37 | SlimeyPete | eh, mebbe not |
| 20:10.42 | AwesomeGuy | how do I make it open? |
| 20:10.46 | SlimeyPete | shrugs, and goes to install drivers until one works |
| 20:10.49 | Justin | AwesomeGuy: open a .torrent file |
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| 20:11.24 | PleXuS | giubbettina, damn that looks nice :) |
| 20:11.31 | chops | AwesomeGuy: bittorrent itself requires you to specify a .torrent file; it's not a sensible thing to open just "in general" without a specific torrent to download |
| 20:11.45 | chops | AwesomeGuy: There are of course other clients which launch a GUI from which you can select one or more torrents to download |
| 20:12.04 | chops | SlimeyPete: It's possible to run an amd64 kernel on a 32-bit system |
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| 20:12.30 | chops | SlimeyPete: What drivers are you installing? Except for nvidia and a handful of others, Debian kernels come with the drivers you'll need |
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| 20:12.40 | SlimeyPete | chops: nvidia |
| 20:12.46 | chops | SlimeyPete: Ah, okay |
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| 20:13.06 | chops | SlimeyPete: My advice is to follow the Debian way for installing the nvidia driver, BTW |
| 20:13.15 | chops | SlimeyPete: I.e. not to use nvidia's install script |
| 20:13.17 | SlimeyPete | chops: I can't (see above :) ) |
| 20:13.24 | SlimeyPete | that method doesn't currently work on Lenny |
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| 20:13.37 | stew | woah |
| 20:13.46 | chops | SlimeyPete: Nope, it doesn't |
| 20:13.49 | chops | SlimeyPete: :-( |
| 20:14.11 | abrotman | stew: that seems bad .. |
| 20:14.22 | stew | yeah, happened in #freenode too |
| 20:14.28 | abrotman | all of them in #freenode? |
| 20:15.02 | stew | not all |
| 20:15.03 | chops | SlimeyPete: I doubt you'll have too much success with the nvidia way, then, either, since the kernel and X ABI issues don't just go away by using a different install method (though nvidia might have made fixes that haven't made their way into testing yet, of course) |
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| 20:15.15 | abrotman | i only see one left here that i know of |
| 20:15.19 | SlimeyPete | chops: that's what I'm hoping |
| 20:15.41 | SlimeyPete | the nv driver isn't too bad for what I want to do, but at this resolution fullscreen windows take an age to refresh |
| 20:15.45 | chops | SlimeyPete: Good luck |
| 20:15.52 | SlimeyPete | thanks :) |
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| 20:18.21 | fordboy0 | SlimeyPete: I use the NVIDIA driver with Lenny. |
| 20:18.35 | Aw0L | why do so many businesses use redhad/centos over debian? |
| 20:18.41 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 20:18.41 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 20:18.42 | fordboy0 | I'm running 2.6.25-rc5 |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | if you want to know about RH .. ask #redhat |
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| 20:19.03 | Aw0L | abrotman, just wanting a debian perspective |
| 20:19.20 | abrotman | Aw0L: we have no idea .. we run debian .. we think they are fools! :) |
| 20:19.24 | petemc | Aw0L: percieved availability of support |
| 20:19.42 | abrotman | Aw0L: one might be that some closed application only works on RH |
| 20:19.54 | Aw0L | so nothing legitimate |
| 20:20.02 | fordboy0 | Aw0L: or some application is only "supported" on RHEL |
| 20:20.18 | Aw0L | maybe unskilled techs are a factor too |
| 20:20.39 | abrotman | your unskilled techs shouldn't be choosing your OS |
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| 20:21.08 | chops | Aw0L: Some hardware (e.g. high-end storage appliance with semi-immature drivers in the kernel) is well-supported on RHEL because the vendors work with RHEL much more tightly than with Debian |
| 20:21.10 | Aw0L | many in the IT world have little idea as to what they are doing |
| 20:21.15 | fordboy0 | abrotman: but sometimes it's the unskilled CIO |
| 20:21.23 | abrotman | or that |
| 20:21.24 | petemc | i have an important app that i can only get support for on solaris or red hat |
| 20:21.24 | Aw0L | chops, that's interesting |
| 20:21.55 | jelly-home | petemc: and that's only sparc/solaris, I presume? |
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| 20:22.05 | fordboy0 | Aw0L: Also, this tends to make RH's kernel version numbers less than correct. |
| 20:22.15 | petemc | jelly-home: its on sparc solaris atm, moving to red hat this summer |
| 20:22.16 | fordboy0 | As they backport later kernel changes in to say: 2.6.8 |
| 20:22.18 | petemc | so, aye |
| 20:22.23 | chops | Aw0L: That's the only legitimate reason I've heard for choosing RHEL over Debian, but that is a very real concern in some environments |
| 20:22.27 | Aw0L | sounds messy |
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| 20:22.40 | Aw0L | I can see why |
| 20:23.28 | moshii | would two different machines running exim delivering mail to the same place (nfs storage) cause any problems? I'm worried about it called procmail on both machines and everyting going to hell or something |
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| 20:23.47 | Aw0L | anyway, thanks for the inputs guys |
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| 20:23.49 | chops | Aw0L: Of course, if you asked a RHEL user, you might get something along the lines of "X is the only legitimate reason I've heard for choosing Debian over RHEL" :-) |
| 20:23.51 | chops | Aw0L: np |
| 20:23.57 | Aw0L | lol |
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| 20:24.06 | jelly-home | moshii: test locking. test it good. |
| 20:24.10 | Aw0L | I don't like the fact that upgrading version is discouraged |
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| 20:24.44 | themock_turtle | Hey, I'm having an issue with setuid using chmod. I've made a test script that is root owned and just runs su *a user* -c whoami. its chmod 4755, but users running it dont get root powers. I'm testing for a c app thats giving me similar problems. |
| 20:25.02 | themock_turtle | Anyone who knows more about what that bit actually does able to point me the right way? |
| 20:25.03 | chops | moshii: If locking works properly on the NFS volume, it should work properly. Caveat emptor, keep backups, etc. :-) |
| 20:25.09 | petemc | themock_turtle: you cant make a script suid |
| 20:25.15 | jelly-home | themock_turtle: linux cannot have #! scripts setuid |
| 20:25.24 | moshii | jelly-home: yeah, that's my main worry. right now I have two servers and a hidden third final server. I want to remove that |
| 20:25.24 | themock_turtle | petemc that would do the test. |
| 20:25.35 | fordboy0 | chops: It depends on whether it's .Maildir or MBOX too. |
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| 20:25.43 | themock_turtle | petemc but why is my c app running as whoever ran the app, not the user who owns it? |
| 20:25.56 | fordboy0 | chops: IIRC don't they both keep header data in separate files? |
| 20:26.12 | jelly-home | themock_turtle: is the C app setuided, or the script that calls it? |
| 20:26.20 | moshii | chops: hmm, I'm worried that users bad procmail recipes could mash their mail up etc.. may be worth leaving it as-is |
| 20:26.23 | themock_turtle | petemc say im running from bash. |
| 20:26.33 | Mash | woot? |
| 20:26.33 | themock_turtle | petemc its root owned also. |
| 20:26.39 | jelly-home | themock_turtle: scripts CAN'T be setuid in linux. |
| 20:26.58 | chops | fordboy0: I don't know. I just know that procmail and exim both use separate process instances and depend on filesystem primitives for their locking, so theoretically it should work the same on a network FS as on a local FS (if locking works properly on the network FS). |
| 20:27.00 | themock_turtle | jelly-home I eman I'm litterally doing a %c-app from the shell |
| 20:27.09 | themock_turtle | that app is chmod 4755 |
| 20:27.25 | themock_turtle | but its output files are owned by whoever runs it, not by the owner of the c app. |
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| 20:27.33 | themock_turtle | I'm doign something stupid, just nto sure which. |
| 20:27.36 | fordboy0 | chops: yes but he's talking about TWO exim servers writing to the same space... Seems like a "bad idea" :) |
| 20:28.15 | fordboy0 | I use NFS for my postfix mail store, but I would be cautious writing from two of them... |
| 20:28.18 | jelly-home | themock_turtle: how do you set the effective uid in your app? |
| 20:28.24 | chops | fordboy0: Forty-something exim processes running on one server will not behave differently from eighty-something exim processes running on two servers with networked storage AFAIK. |
| 20:28.33 | moshii | fordboy0: not the same space, the same fs shared over nfs... if things are locked properly I can't see a problem, but I don't want to try it and then find some says later "don't do that, it never works because of XYZ" |
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| 20:28.53 | themock_turtle | jelly-home: I'm using the file permissions for now. Though runnign setuid from isnide the app hasnt helped either. |
| 20:28.55 | moshii | chops: what about external things called by exim like procmail? |
| 20:28.57 | fordboy0 | chops: I guess that makes sense... :) |
| 20:29.03 | chops | fordboy0: postfix I would expect not to work like that, yes, because it does coordination between its processes, and so I'd not be surprised if it makes locking assumptions based on that coordination |
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| 20:29.27 | fordboy0 | chops: Just seems wrong ;) |
| 20:29.31 | chops | moshii: Again, the situation is the same. If you tell procmail to lock the files it's working on, it'll be fine. If you don't, you can get screwed even on a single server. |
| 20:30.34 | moshii | chops: hmm true, don't know if I have the will to check everyones procmail scripts though |
| 20:30.40 | jelly-home | themock_turtle: you do need to call setuid() inside the app as well, yeah. |
| 20:30.47 | chops | fordboy0: You're free not to run it :-). Of course, I might be wrong, and there might be some reason I'm not aware of why it's a bad idea. It's worth checking the exim docs; they'll almost certainly cover the situation. |
| 20:31.28 | fordboy0 | chops: Indeed. I certainly would love to test it, but, alas, haven't the time. :-P |
| 20:31.39 | chops | moshii: Well, right. If someone screws their mail by writing a botched procmail script... there's not much more you can do to stop them than there is to stop them writing: echo '>/dev/null' > ~/.forward |
| 20:31.40 | moshii | chops: I looked around and came up with this 2 servers hubbed to a hidden backend server for now, but I want to ditch the backend server |
| 20:31.50 | fordboy0 | Off to a meeting with, of all people, NVIDIA. |
| 20:31.51 | themock_turtle | jelly-home:I might have gotten it to work by making it user owned nto root owned. I dont really get how *nix handles that bit. So when the app runs It should have permissions of, lets say root, but still effictivly "be" the user running it? |
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| 20:32.15 | chops | themock_turtle: The terms you're looking for are 'real uid' and 'effective uid', I believe. |
| 20:32.15 | petemc | moshii: why do you need 2 servers? |
| 20:32.19 | themock_turtle | jelly-home: so any files that come out would still be owned by whoever runs it? |
| 20:32.34 | themock_turtle | chops: Thats probably right. |
| 20:32.44 | chops | themock_turtle: No. Of course, if you run 'foo > bar' on a setuid script foo, bar is still owned by you. |
| 20:32.44 | themock_turtle | and sounds like a direction, sweet I like those. |
| 20:32.46 | moshii | petemc: redundancy |
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| 20:33.21 | themock_turtle | chops but if the app is using fopen and writing output to that file it shoudl be effictive user owned? |
| 20:33.28 | chops | themock_turtle: Correct |
| 20:33.48 | themock_turtle | chops hrm, its not doing that. |
| 20:34.08 | chops | themock_turtle: You might try pastebinning the exact situation you're observing in the form of a session (ls -l /usr/bin/theapp; ls -l /tmp/app-output; theapp; ls -l /tmp/app-output) |
| 20:34.48 | DustyBin | i have a home server what runs mythtv, zoneminder, postfix, its on 24.7, why kind of power saving features could i use to save electricity? |
| 20:34.57 | themock_turtle | chops: I'm trying using a combination of setting the file permissions owned by a user with the bit set, and using setuid within the app to set it there. If thats no go then I'll have to. |
| 20:35.04 | themock_turtle | thanks for the help! |
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| 20:35.16 | moshii | DustyBin: if the machine is new enough, processor speed scaling etc |
| 20:35.29 | DustyBin | its a pentium 3.2 |
| 20:35.47 | wols_ | DustyBin: sell it. NOW |
| 20:35.51 | DustyBin | why? |
| 20:35.55 | wols_ | worst CPU you can use |
| 20:35.56 | moshii | DustyBin: you should be able to throttle the machine with come thing cpufreqd or something then |
| 20:35.56 | DustyBin | why? |
| 20:36.02 | wols_ | cause it uses a shitton of power |
| 20:36.11 | DustyBin | jeeze :( |
| 20:36.20 | chops | themock_turtle: np. FWIW it sounds to me like you should try a simpler approach for now, and only work up to that level of complexity, instead of starting with something that doesn't work and only getting simpler if you can't manage to fiddle that into working. |
| 20:36.24 | wols_ | you want a moderm core2duo or athlonx2 based cpu |
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| 20:36.42 | DustyBin | in the near future i might, but not yet |
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| 20:37.16 | suppaman | hello |
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| 20:37.30 | wols_ | DustyBin: what socket does the CPU use? |
| 20:37.34 | maligor | those inte ultra lowpowers would be interesting too |
| 20:37.34 | DustyBin | wols_: there are 2 versions of the pentium 3.2, northwood and prescott, i have the one what uses less power and doesnt get so hot |
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| 20:38.07 | suppaman | I'd like to see cpu usage in tray bar (using gnome atm) what terms should I search for in apt cache? |
| 20:38.17 | suppaman | I mean how are those app called |
| 20:38.22 | wols_ | DustyBin: it still uses 90W apprx. and it's bad since it's socket478 :( |
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| 20:38.52 | stew | suppaman: right click, add to panel, and select 'system monitor'? |
| 20:38.53 | DustyBin | could i just replace the processor and keep my motherboard? |
| 20:38.55 | stew | suppaman: they are called applets |
| 20:39.21 | jmpp_ | greets! |
| 20:39.21 | jmpp_ | debian & iptales n00b here |
| 20:39.37 | jmpp_ | is this the right place to ask iptables related questions...? |
| 20:39.44 | jmpp_ | or is there a more specific channel for that? |
| 20:39.50 | suppaman | stew: oh thanks, SysMon from gnome is just what I need |
| 20:39.59 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 20:40.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
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| 20:40.09 | DustyBin | wols_: my motherboard has a LGA775 socket |
| 20:40.09 | suppaman | stew: and I was lacking the term "monitor" |
| 20:40.21 | wols_ | DustyBin: there is no LGA775 northwood |
| 20:40.32 | DustyBin | wols_: it must be prescott then.. |
| 20:40.47 | wols_ | DustyBin: how much L2 cache? |
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| 20:41.17 | themock_turtle | chops: thats why i tried with a bash script, didnt know those were out :D. I'm just using a tiny c file that removes something now. |
| 20:41.32 | jmpp_ | abrotman: great tip, thanks! |
| 20:41.38 | chops | themock_turtle: You can use setuid perl scripts with perl-suid |
| 20:41.55 | chops | themock_turtle: Might be a little easier than a C program |
| 20:42.12 | Justin | themock_turtle: maybe you can just use sudo? |
| 20:42.41 | themock_turtle | justin that also might work |
| 20:42.42 | jelly-home | this idiocy of Linux kernel is usually worked around with a simple C wrapper |
| 20:44.15 | themock_turtle | jelly-home I'm jsut hoping to avoid having to setup sudo powers for this user on way way too many machines. |
| 20:44.31 | themock_turtle | when he just needs to run one app as someone else. |
| 20:45.03 | jelly-home | themock_turtle: but that's what sudo is all about? :-) |
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| 20:45.17 | aes2 | Is anyone using OpenOffice.org professionally? I might be biased, but everytime I used documents loaded from Powerpoint sources, the CPU usage skyrocketed and freezed the machine for several seconds. I used multiple data visualisation features too, but they were way too slow to be practical. |
| 20:45.24 | nesta- | hello, i am using grub2. i would like to have a splash image when i boot my os, can anyone give me any tips or good links to read on how to do this please? |
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| 20:45.32 | ir8 | Hello all... |
| 20:45.43 | DustyBin | Hostname: server - OS: Linux 2.6.22-3-686/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.304 MHz) - Processes: 143 - Uptime: 2d 22h 48m - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 345.42mb/1011.82mb (34.14%) - Disk Usage: 243.84gb/1360.35gb (17.92%) |
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| 20:46.04 | jonas3 | Hello |
| 20:46.07 | DustyBin | im sure there are better sysinfo scripts |
| 20:46.14 | jonas3 | Hello all |
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| 20:46.33 | ir8 | I have a few question about the di-installer and also with preseed.cfg is there a way to script it for software raid |
| 20:46.35 | jonas3 | Hello all... |
| 20:46.52 | jelly-home | !tell jonas3 -about ask |
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| 20:47.17 | ir8 | dose that make anysense or should i reword how i asked the question. |
| 20:47.54 | simonrvn | ir8: what do you mean script for it, it already supports it. |
| 20:48.26 | ir8 | well... the perseed.cfg for automated installs |
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| 20:48.44 | augustao | can i install debian from a local hard drive? |
| 20:48.45 | jelly-home | themock_turtle: When I need a setuid wrapper, I usually copy the one from Mailman. :-) |
| 20:48.59 | themock_turtle | jelly-home: pretty much. Just hoping to only need the one file. Mailman you say? |
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| 20:49.03 | intx | how do I find out which package a file belongs to? |
| 20:49.11 | DirkGently | !dpkg usplash |
| 20:49.14 | abrotman | intx: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:49.19 | ir8 | I have it working with one harddrive and everything else but i would for it to work with software raid. |
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| 20:51.12 | intx | more accurately, on this system there are two ssh-keygens for some reason.. one is in /usr/X11R6/bin/ssh-keygen, the other in /usr/bin/ssh-keygen |
| 20:51.21 | intx | i want to know why there's one in /usr/X11R6/bin/ssh-keygen |
| 20:51.48 | jelly-home | themock_turtle: hm, that's too complicated. try this instead: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/listedit-cgi.c |
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| 20:52.30 | moshii | intx: use apt-file to find out where it comes from... it's likely it's in a package and it doesn't need to be |
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| 20:53.03 | valdyn | umm |
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| 20:53.07 | moldy | hi |
| 20:53.13 | moshii | intx: or it's slightly different one there for some reason |
| 20:53.17 | valdyn | intx: look again,thats just the same binary |
| 20:53.21 | moldy | does debian 4.0 include mod_auth_mysql? i cannot find it using aptitude |
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| 20:53.28 | themock_turtle | jelly-home: Got mailman's souce. cant be any worse than the stuff i deal with. Thanks for the help! |
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| 20:53.44 | themock_turtle | and the list-edits pretty close to how ive got it going now. Looks faily normal so far. |
| 20:53.46 | valdyn | intx: not an identical binary, the same. |
| 20:54.07 | intx | moshii: apt-file search ssh-keygen doesn't show anything.. is there a database I need to build first? |
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| 20:54.25 | jelly-home | themock_turtle: well, it works for me and gives the underlying (python) script root. |
| 20:54.35 | valdyn | intx: im sure you got told to run apt-file update first |
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| 20:54.39 | moshii | intx: maybe its a link of some sort?.. |
| 20:54.54 | intx | they are two different versions, the one in X11R6 is causing problems for me |
| 20:55.07 | valdyn | intx: why do you think its 2 different versions? |
| 20:55.09 | intx | trying to determine how it got there.. i'm starting to suspect some kind of rootkit |
| 20:55.16 | valdyn | oh my |
| 20:55.33 | moshii | intx: according to packages.debian.org.. there is only one version in etch, and that's from openssh |
| 20:55.33 | intx | valdyn: because I get "Creating SSH2 DSA key; this may take some time ...illegal option -- f" when I reinstall ssh |
| 20:55.47 | jelly-home | themock_turtle: the script originally ran on solaris, which doesn't play weird with #! and setuid (ie, it just works) |
| 20:55.56 | intx | yeah. chkrootkit didn't show anything, but considering ssh was working fine until about a week ago, I'm really suspecting a rootkit |
| 20:56.02 | valdyn | intx: dont guess, compare the 2 files |
| 20:56.02 | Justin | intx: what is the md5sum of the binary? |
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| 20:56.25 | simonrvn | ir8: ask before you /msg people. thanks |
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| 20:56.44 | valdyn | intx: every debian system is _supposed_ to have both files if ssh is installed ( though i already said its not 2 but 1 and the same file ) |
| 20:57.19 | Justin | valdyn: not really |
| 20:57.22 | Justin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2008-01-15 08:46 /usr/X11R6/bin -> ../bin |
| 20:57.34 | valdyn | Justin: thats what i said |
| 20:57.40 | AwesomeGuy | I made a funny linux joke |
| 20:57.50 | ir8 | just major issues right with the the automated system using software raid |
| 20:57.52 | Justin | valdyn: not as clearly |
| 20:57.57 | AwesomeGuy | why did the linux user go to the dentist? |
| 20:58.02 | AwesomeGuy | to get a 'root canal |
| 20:58.03 | valdyn | Justin: yes, intentionally |
| 20:58.08 | AwesomeGuy | * 'root' |
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| 20:58.44 | intx | Justin: thanks you're right, I have that link too |
| 20:59.00 | intx | okay sorry guys it's not the /usr/bin/X11R6 one.. apparently there's another one in /usr/local/bin, just noticed |
| 20:59.25 | themock_turtle | jelly-home: Yeah, thats what started my "what the devil! madness!?" |
| 20:59.36 | moldy | argh, no mod_auth_mysql in etch. this sucks :( |
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| 21:00.34 | Superbartt | moldy mod_auth_mysql for what app? |
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| 21:00.42 | ir8 | has anyone here done anything with automated installs with software raid |
| 21:00.45 | moshii | intx: the one in /usr/local is all yours ;~ |
| 21:00.53 | moldy | Superbartt: the apache module |
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| 21:01.27 | T` | hi.. anyone here knows about X and how it handles keyboard events? X seems to think i am pressing some key even though i'm not.. i tried two keyboards and it doesn't work.. i can't enable scroll lock or repeat keys due to this event spam |
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| 21:01.50 | jelly-home | themock_turtle: ... and now you know! :-) |
| 21:01.53 | moshii | T`: try running xev and see what events are happening |
| 21:02.07 | T` | moshii, i did.. do u want me to pastebin it?? |
| 21:02.30 | moshii | T`: are there events coming out for the key thats getting pressed magically? |
| 21:02.48 | ir8 | lol |
| 21:02.50 | T` | moshii, i am not pressing anything at all now.. and i see some eevnts getting generated consistently |
| 21:03.30 | T` | moshii, http://pastebin.com/d66086b0f |
| 21:03.36 | intx | how do I see all files on the system that were created on a certain date? |
| 21:03.52 | T` | moshii, i pressed the key 'h' on xev.. and it shows that in the first line.. after that it just keeps spamming with some mysterious event |
| 21:03.55 | T` | not sure what that key is though |
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| 21:04.02 | moshii | T`: something stuck in your keyboard? does the key come out on the vt's? |
| 21:04.22 | T` | moshii, i removed the keyboard and used another keyboard.. same exact problem |
| 21:04.30 | T` | i can try without a keyboard.. |
| 21:04.34 | stew | there aren't any keypress events |
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| 21:04.48 | T` | stew, i think the focusout/focusin/keymapnotify are the ones |
| 21:04.53 | T` | which are messing things up |
| 21:05.13 | T` | if i try to search for a name in my pidgin buddy list.. i can't tyep more than one character |
| 21:05.18 | T` | the search box disappears for some reason |
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| 21:05.55 | T` | oh i also can't select text with the mouse.. it selects a bit on click + drag.. but it stops highlighting |
| 21:06.19 | moshii | T`: do you have scim or something running? I have alsorts of problems like that because of scim |
| 21:06.24 | stew | i'd guess some misbehaving window is mapping and unmapping, and grabbing keyboard focus |
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| 21:06.40 | T` | hmm.. btw i have this problem at the gdm login too |
| 21:06.55 | T` | no window manager is up then.. and gdm can't repeat keys in username.. |
| 21:06.59 | T` | or backspace repeat, etc. |
| 21:07.04 | T` | moshii, ledmme see whta scim is |
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| 21:07.53 | T` | moshii, ps aux | grep scim returns nothing |
| 21:08.13 | T` | stew, any ideas on how i can figure who is generating this event? or to reset the keyboard settings or something? |
| 21:08.34 | moshii | T`: you'll only have scim if you input japanese or hangul or something |
| 21:08.44 | T` | moshii, oh.. no i'm on english afaik |
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| 21:09.18 | moshii | T`: you dont have any issues in the terminals though? |
| 21:09.29 | T` | moshii, hmm.. well in terminal i can't repeat the keys.. |
| 21:09.43 | T` | nor can delete multiple chars with backspace |
| 21:09.58 | LimCore | damn, debian is not usable on a server :/ |
| 21:10.07 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:10.08 | T` | LimCore, must be dreaming? |
| 21:10.11 | LimCore | how can debian fail at so simple task as allowing secure sftp (via ssh - so with scponly) |
| 21:10.21 | LimCore | T`: scponly is broken in 64 bit version |
| 21:10.24 | itchi | LimCore: You probable means that you can't use Debian |
| 21:10.25 | wols_ | LimCore: it doesn't |
| 21:10.28 | moshii | LimCore: you mean you can't configure it |
| 21:10.30 | LimCore | scponly == secure, chrooted sftp |
| 21:10.41 | abrotman | goes over with the sane people |
| 21:10.44 | moshii | LimCore: chroot != secure |
| 21:11.03 | LimCore | moshii: chroot + grsecurity enforcing actually chrootjails == secure |
| 21:11.11 | Supaplex | and/or vserver |
| 21:11.12 | T` | any ideas anyone to trace this problem? |
| 21:11.19 | Batchy | T` : does the kernel report something about this key ? |
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| 21:11.31 | T` | Batchy, lemme check messages |
| 21:11.34 | moshii | LimCore: what is the tcp stack is broken?.. too many layers ;) |
| 21:11.36 | LimCore | scponlyc's chroot setup script forgets to create few files on 64 bit versions |
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| 21:11.52 | moshii | LimCore: *what if |
| 21:11.58 | T` | Batchy, what am i looking for though? i dont see any log spew if thats what u are asking |
| 21:12.00 | LimCore | the bug is also described in ubuntu's bug tracker, but it is the same bug on ubuntu and debian actually |
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| 21:12.25 | Batchy | try cat /dev/input/by-path/<your keyboard here> |
| 21:12.29 | LimCore | how can one create a chrooted sftp/scp server on 64 bit debian? |
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| 21:12.50 | stew | LimCore: can you not just fix the chroot script to include the missing libraries? |
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| 21:13.06 | intx | well damn, this system has definitely been rooted |
| 21:13.13 | LimCore | stew: I did fixed: missing SUID, missing libs, and missing dev/null - still doesnt work |
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| 21:13.22 | intx | there's a fake sign-in page (phishing site) in the www directory. |
| 21:13.34 | mmlj4 | intx: sorry, dude :-( |
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| 21:13.40 | T` | Batchy, http://pastebin.com/m180fb62c |
| 21:13.41 | Supaplex | intx: ping :) |
| 21:13.41 | dmilith | intx: why You're so sure? |
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| 21:13.46 | intx | dmilith: what I just said |
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| 21:13.51 | stew | LimCore: you should update the bug in the bts then |
| 21:13.58 | stew | !wb staffers |
| 21:13.58 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! staffers has returned! |
| 21:14.09 | LimCore | st |
| 21:14.10 | aes2 | intx: what kernel version? |
| 21:14.12 | intx | only two people have access to this system, and neither of us would be making a fake ebay.fr signin page. :P |
| 21:14.19 | T` | Batchy, its not the mouse.. just checked that |
| 21:14.24 | T` | lemme try with those kbd devs |
| 21:14.25 | intx | aes2: 2.6.19.2 |
| 21:14.28 | LimCore | stew: ok, but the oryginal bug was reported half year ago.. and this oryginal bug is till present! |
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| 21:14.45 | intx | aes2: i'm just wondering how now.. I have PaX installed on this system, disabled telnet, it should not have been easy |
| 21:14.51 | moshii | intx: iirc that kernel has some user to root exploit.. |
| 21:14.52 | stew | LimCore: it would not be a bug that would be fixed in stable. has it been fixed in the testing/unstable versions? |
| 21:15.10 | LimCore | stew: what should I use for server then... stable? testing? |
| 21:15.22 | aes2 | intx: find a bug in your webserver, exploit it and root. |
| 21:15.26 | stew | LimCore: stable |
| 21:15.39 | T` | Batchy, ok event8 is also ruled out.. i dont think keyboard is generating these events |
| 21:15.43 | LimCore | stew: but it's not working in stable... |
| 21:15.49 | LimCore | facepalm |
| 21:15.50 | T` | Batchy, focusin/focusout is prolly coming from someone else |
| 21:16.07 | stew | LimCore: has the bug been fixed in the testing or unstable versions of scponly? |
| 21:16.07 | wols_ | intx: your kernel is vmsplice exploitable |
| 21:16.35 | moshii | nods, that's the one |
| 21:16.41 | LimCore | stew: I didn't inwestigated, however, it seems to be fixed in upstream |
| 21:16.56 | T` | Batchy, oh damn.. it just fixed itself!!?? |
| 21:16.58 | T` | WTF!! |
| 21:17.03 | T` | i didnt do anything though.. hmm |
| 21:17.07 | moshii | I used that vmsplice exploit to get into a server I forgot the root password on though, so it was useful hehe |
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| 21:17.27 | T` | Batchy, the events i saw were coming from event1.. now the cat doesn't show any coming from there! |
| 21:17.41 | LimCore | moshii: debian server? |
| 21:17.56 | moshii | LimCore: indeed, etch iirc |
| 21:18.00 | LimCore | you se |
| 21:18.05 | LimCore | debian fails in security |
| 21:18.19 | stew | LimCore: if that is the case, then you can see if this version is packaged by debian yet. if it is, we can help you get that version onto stable. if not, you should update the bug, and tag the bug as 'fixed-upstream' |
| 21:18.21 | moshii | LimCore: old kernel, as I said, I forgot the root password, can't upgrade the kernel without |
| 21:18.36 | stew | LimCore: please keep it constructive |
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| 21:18.39 | valdyn | LimCore: it did, like every distro |
| 21:18.46 | LimCore | on top on that, all make chroot jail utils I found are either broken, are are not very user friendly, because I spent hours and it still doesnt work. Im not expert on servers, but common, simple apache chroot should Just WOork |
| 21:19.06 | moshii | LimCore: you're forgetting that anything can be "broken" though, so you shouldn't use chroot jails and feel secure |
| 21:19.06 | LimCore | the EXAMPLE included with this tools didnt worked also |
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| 21:19.16 | suppaman | bye |
| 21:19.23 | LimCore | moshii: as I said, chroots AND grsecurity. |
| 21:19.30 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: there are loads of chroot methods which work, it just depends what you're doing. |
| 21:19.31 | stew | LimCore: if it has been fixed upstream, but hasn't yet been packaged by debian, we can help you to package this version |
| 21:19.31 | Batchy | T` : strange indeed |
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| 21:19.36 | LimCore | grsecurity dissallows to use any known method of escaping from chroot |
| 21:19.40 | moshii | LimCore: mal-formed packets and a broken network stack would get around that |
| 21:19.58 | T` | Batchy, is there a way to track which device it was? |
| 21:20.07 | T` | Batchy, lemme see if lsusb can help |
| 21:20.08 | LimCore | moshii: KERNEXEC makes it hard to exploit in kernel bugs |
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| 21:20.24 | LimCore | moshii: but well yes... linux as a kernel is not the best for security, however, I would like to secure it as possible |
| 21:20.36 | LimCore | oh I did tried qemu as well |
| 21:20.38 | LimCore | failed |
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| 21:20.57 | T` | Batchy, pci-0000:00:1d.0-usb-0:2:1.3-event- was the symlink.. 1d.0 pci id is just my usb UHCI controller |
| 21:21.07 | LimCore | 64 bit version seems to be broken.. with kqemu - debian didnt worked, without, debian installer hangs |
| 21:21.14 | moshii | LimCore: I remeber you saying about you're qemu setup, which is exactly why I think you are going the wrong way with security |
| 21:21.21 | intx | aes2: apache2 is always kept up to date via debian packages, and with pax buffer overflow exploits should be more difficult. |
| 21:21.22 | moshii | LimCore: *your |
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| 21:21.29 | LimCore | moshii: so what would you recommend |
| 21:21.40 | intx | is there anyway I can see all files that were modified on a certain date? |
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| 21:21.53 | LimCore | however, I wanted just few programs on debian, and half of them are totally broken - what is going on? in 64 bit versions |
| 21:21.56 | stew | LimCore: are you actually here for support? or are you just here to complain? if you are just here to complain, don't bother. |
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| 21:22.16 | moshii | LimCore: well, for a start x86 hardware is realy broken, so chuck that... basically just keep things simple, do introduce things you can't fix if there is a problem and keep things up to date |
| 21:22.23 | LimCore | stew: preferably both, but support is most important |
| 21:22.33 | moshii | LimCore: *don't introduce |
| 21:22.34 | aes2 | intx: just because you run the latest stable version, doesn't mean that there are no bugs in your version of Apache. |
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| 21:22.43 | LimCore | stew: IF it works with support, then there is not much to complain ;) |
| 21:22.47 | stew | LimCore: then let's please just stick to support. have you looked at whether the fixed package is available in debian yet? |
| 21:22.51 | moshii | needs to drink less, think more before typing. |
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| 21:23.27 | LimCore | moshii: hm? amd64 allows things like hardware based virtualization afair, and - mark pages as not executable, which makes it quite usable |
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| 21:23.48 | LimCore | stew: what is the best way to check that? |
| 21:23.56 | stew | LimCore: what version upstream fixes this problem? |
| 21:24.04 | itchi | inimesekene: See the -mtime of find |
| 21:24.12 | itchi | doh |
| 21:24.15 | LimCore | stew: they say that 4.8 fixes most of it |
| 21:24.18 | itchi | intx: ^^ |
| 21:24.36 | stew | LimCore: check http://packages.debian.org/scponly and see if 4.8 is available for any debian release |
| 21:24.47 | moshii | LimCore: but the cores can see each others cache etc, oh dear oh dear |
| 21:24.54 | valdyn | is rssh broken too? |
| 21:25.23 | aes2 | intx: did you use chpax? |
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| 21:25.40 | LimCore | moshii: huh? user space proces can use assembler to read data of other process that is runned on 2nd cpu? I dont think so.. |
| 21:26.02 | intx | nope |
| 21:26.18 | intx | never had any issues with pax so I never needed to install it |
| 21:26.21 | LimCore | valdyn: does rssh allow a) chroot to the target directory b) use sshfs to connect into it and optionally: c) use sftp to connect into it |
| 21:26.28 | moshii | LimCore: um, everything that runs on the machine is machine code.. |
| 21:26.40 | intx | itchi: thanks |
| 21:26.50 | LimCore | moshii: no, really. You know what I ment ;) "to use speciall command to read[...]" |
| 21:26.51 | moshii | LimCore: and yes there are problems with code being able to spy on code running at the same time |
| 21:27.07 | stew | LimCore: its. not. so here's how you can help. you have information about this bug that debian doesn't yet have. so send a mail to 400905@bugs.debian.org with the additional information that you, including what you have tried, and that it didn't work |
| 21:27.09 | LimCore | moshii: only by analyzing time informations right? |
| 21:27.13 | moshii | LimCore: what I'm trying to say is "keep it simple" |
| 21:27.29 | LimCore | moshii: then for ultra secure code, there should be flag that dissallows to run anything while this process runs |
| 21:27.34 | stew | LimCore: also, if it has been fixed upstream, you can run "echo tag 400905 fixed-upstream | mail control@bugs.debian.org" to tag the bug as fixed-upstream |
| 21:27.47 | moshii | LimCore: can't be done. the hardware is a hack |
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| 21:27.49 | stew | LimCore: then, if you like, we can talk about preparing a debian pacakge of 4.8 that might work for you |
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| 21:28.19 | LimCore | stew: speaking of, how to setup it, so that if user "rafal" will do echo "lol" | mail target, then my computer will connect to na existing SMTP account (say at gmail) and send the email? |
| 21:28.46 | valdyn | LimCore: i guess it does, you can read the description |
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| 21:29.28 | stew | LimCore: which MTA are you using? |
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| 21:30.07 | unix_infidel | anyone know if its possible to skip a step in the install procedure... |
| 21:30.10 | unix_infidel | aka configuring apt |
| 21:30.38 | stew | LimCore: are you Rafal Maj? |
| 21:30.46 | itchi | unix_infidel: What are you doing? preseed? |
| 21:31.31 | LimCore | stew: yeap |
| 21:31.35 | stew | ugh |
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| 21:31.39 | stew | i should have realize |
| 21:31.43 | LimCore | stew: Im not using any MTA I think |
| 21:32.05 | moshii | LimCore: you must have one installed.. |
| 21:32.12 | LimCore | then the default one |
| 21:32.22 | rahul | LimCore: configure it with a smarthost |
| 21:32.28 | rahul | dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim |
| 21:32.42 | LimCore | I wonder.. do I need a full blown MTA on my machine? |
| 21:32.50 | stew | LimCore: i'd strongly encourage you to not just come here and complain, an act which has gotten you banned from this channel in the past |
| 21:32.52 | LimCore | I dont want to setup "real" email server |
| 21:33.08 | LimCore | stew: am I just complaining now? |
| 21:33.21 | valdyn | LimCore: an mta is not huge, even if its full blow, and you want a functional mta |
| 21:33.22 | stew | that's all i have to say to you |
| 21:33.38 | rahul | you need something to transfer mails to some other machine |
| 21:33.50 | rahul | or to some mail box on the local machine |
| 21:34.03 | valdyn | primarily you need an mta for local-only mail |
| 21:34.06 | rahul | whether that's "full blown" or not, I don't know |
| 21:34.42 | itchi | stew: Where's that blacklist? |
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| 21:35.17 | AwesomeGuy | why can't I install java on iceweasel? |
| 21:35.17 | LimCore | is exim good for sending my emails to internet using existing account (like on gmail), and to periodicaclly ppoll emails from there to local? |
| 21:35.47 | valdyn | LimCore: exim is only an mta, it can only send and recieve mail, it cant poll |
| 21:35.48 | wols_ | LimCore: you don't poll with MTAs |
| 21:35.50 | stew | itchi: /mode #debian +b |
| 21:36.05 | wols_ | gmail can send any incoming mail to your MTA auitomatically tho |
| 21:36.22 | itchi | stew: Thanks for the trick |
| 21:36.29 | wols_ | and you need to set your MTA to use a smarthost |
| 21:36.50 | valdyn | ...and the authentication required for gmail is documented |
| 21:37.07 | aes2 | wols_: what happens when the receiving machine is down for an hour/day/week/month in that case? |
| 21:37.08 | LimCore | thanks |
| 21:37.29 | wols_ | aes2: gmail treist again. dunno for how long |
| 21:37.29 | valdyn | aes2: gmail will keep it |
| 21:37.37 | valdyn | aes2: it wont get lost anyway |
| 21:38.05 | aes2 | valdyn: will it resend it when the machine is up again? |
| 21:38.11 | valdyn | aes2: normal mtas would probably drop it at some point, gmail wont as you have an inbox there |
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| 21:38.27 | valdyn | aes2: i dont think so, it wont retry after a while in my experience |
| 21:38.57 | wols_ | MTAs always try to resend but not infinitely |
| 21:39.03 | valdyn | aes2: aes2 i dont know the precise setup, standard is at least a retry after 5 minutes or somesuch, not repeatedly over days and weeks |
| 21:39.05 | mmc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.49 | stew | mmc: run dpkg-scanpackages? |
| 21:39.59 | stew | mmc: i mean.. you get that running dpkg-scanpacakges? |
| 21:40.07 | valdyn | aes2: but you can always grab the mail later on via pop3 or imap from gmail |
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| 21:40.46 | mmc | stew: yes |
| 21:40.52 | stew | mmc: it is normal, and not something you should worry about, unless you are actually trying to use an override file |
| 21:41.03 | caravel | thanks and good night |
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| 21:42.10 | aes2 | valdyn: what mail setup do you use? What mail server, if any, etc. |
| 21:42.29 | valdyn | aes2: the default |
| 21:42.39 | valdyn | aes2: thats exim4 |
| 21:43.23 | aes2 | valdyn: Debian Stable? |
| 21:43.38 | valdyn | oh and i switched to sylpheed from mutt because mutt once again couldnt deal with my excessively huge mailboxes |
| 21:43.56 | valdyn | aes2: no, lenny |
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| 21:44.14 | valdyn | aes2: but this is a hobby, not professional so hardly a reference |
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| 21:44.59 | aes2 | valdyn: I found mutt slow too. E.g. Evolution has much better caching. |
| 21:45.15 | valdyn | aes2: evolution is the slowest, but |
| 21:45.22 | aes2 | valdyn: can you give some numbers for sylpheed? |
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| 21:45.30 | valdyn | aes2: mutt header cache is optional, you need to enable that first |
| 21:45.45 | valdyn | aes2: and also mutt uses mbox files by default, thats slow if those files get huge |
| 21:45.47 | aes2 | valdyn: I enabled the header cache, but that was about a year ago. |
| 21:46.26 | valdyn | aes2: mutt + header caches + maildir is exponentially faster than evolution for huge mailboxes ( 10k - 100k mails ) |
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| 21:47.21 | valdyn | aes2: sylpheed is yet faster in my setup, except for searching thru mails, there mutt is faster |
| 21:47.36 | aes2 | valdyn: I let mutt connect to an IMAP server. If it were local, I guess mutt would be faster. Do you mean when talking to an IMAP server? |
| 21:47.53 | valdyn | aes2: well, yea, but its local |
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| 21:48.27 | aes2 | valdyn: In my case it wasn't local. There was a large difference. |
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| 21:49.10 | aes2 | valdyn: how do you get the mail from a remote IMAP server to your own? Fetchmail? |
| 21:49.46 | valdyn | aes2: direct forwarding or direct mail |
| 21:51.04 | valdyn | aes2: remote imap has a whole different bottleneck anyway, evolutions multithreaded approach might actually be useful |
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| 21:52.34 | aes2 | valdyn: so, only in the case where your machine was down, you use the web-interface? |
| 21:52.53 | valdyn | aes2: of gmail, yes |
| 21:53.04 | x_link | s |
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| 21:53.48 | aes2 | valdyn: that would be all ;) Thanks |
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| 21:54.16 | stew | mutt + offlineimap is a much happier place than letting mutt talk to imap itself |
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| 21:55.04 | stew | offlineimap syncs a local maildir with a remote imap server, and mutt much more happily just talks to the local maildir |
| 21:55.06 | jelly-home | mutt with caching is quite useful for imap |
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| 21:57.31 | petemc | i use imapsync |
| 21:57.54 | petemc | it even works with exchange, calender entries 'n all |
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| 21:58.11 | maxdoubt | anyone know of a site online with hi-res downloadable images that i could use to make my own 8x10 prints for the art class i teach? |
| 21:58.32 | maxdoubt | i was hoping there'd be some creative commons image collection somewhere? |
| 21:58.52 | itchi | What do you means about mutt being slow with imap? My 2-imap user don't get this issue |
| 21:59.04 | petemc | maxdoubt: sounds like you need a search engine, i recommend google |
| 21:59.21 | valdyn | itchi: it could be just his network connection being to slow |
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| 22:00.03 | Trollinator | How do I change my swap partition? |
| 22:00.15 | valdyn | Trollinator: change what? |
| 22:00.22 | petemc | Trollinator: mkswap, swapon, edit fsta |
| 22:00.27 | petemc | b |
| 22:00.45 | jelly-home | maybe swapoff before that as well |
| 22:00.46 | Trollinator | oh, it's in fstab? |
| 22:00.48 | Trollinator | of. |
| 22:00.49 | Younix | okay |
| 22:00.53 | Trollinator | ok, thanks. |
| 22:01.00 | petemc | Trollinator: it can be, doesnt have to be |
| 22:01.01 | Younix | how do you keep certain programs from loading at boot |
| 22:01.10 | stew | Younix: which? |
| 22:01.10 | itchi | The only issue i get when switching from evolution to mutt: it's seems that evolution don't delete mails. If i delete some mails in evolution, they still appears in mutt marked as delete. Once i want to quit mutt, he ask to delete the mails i already deleted in evolution |
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| 22:01.19 | Younix | smtp and sshd |
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| 22:01.44 | Trollinator | Younix: sysv-rc-conf is one way of doing it. |
| 22:01.46 | Younix | programs/daemons/serices.. |
| 22:01.57 | stew | Younix: you can turn then off with update-rc.d or rcconf. however, you probably shouldn't turn off smtpd, why do you want to do that? |
| 22:02.10 | Younix | why do i need smtp? |
| 22:02.12 | Younix | i don't.. |
| 22:02.21 | Trollinator | stew: there is no reason for a normal user to run an smtpd. |
| 22:02.21 | stew | Younix: so that your system can send email |
| 22:02.22 | Younix | well, maybe i do |
| 22:02.28 | Younix | stew: nevermind.. |
| 22:02.28 | valdyn | Younix: you do need smtp |
| 22:02.34 | Younix | lol no i don't |
| 22:02.38 | Younix | except for the debian bug thing |
| 22:02.39 | Trollinator | what on earth for? |
| 22:02.40 | Younix | that's the only reason |
| 22:02.42 | Trollinator | that's bullshit. |
| 22:02.43 | stew | Trollinator: how about if cron or debconf needs to send mail |
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| 22:03.07 | petemc | in fairness, you dont need a daemon for that, a cron job to flush the queue would suffice |
| 22:03.08 | Younix | doesn't bts use mail? |
| 22:03.12 | stew | Trollinator: (or any other program that is expecting to be able to send mail with /usr/sbin/sendmail) |
| 22:03.14 | valdyn | Younix: you can however remove the ssh server package |
| 22:03.23 | Younix | what is rcpbind? |
| 22:03.23 | jelly-home | Trollinator: you can turn it off completely but you lose some functionality then |
| 22:03.37 | Trollinator | jelly-home: i have done so, and i'm not missing anything |
| 22:03.45 | dondelelcaro | if you don't plan on receiving mail, you can just install nullmailer or similar. |
| 22:03.56 | petemc | or not run exim as a daemon |
| 22:04.01 | dondelelcaro | (but you should always have a way of getting mail off of your machine) |
| 22:04.06 | jelly-home | Trollinator: you don't know whether any cron jobs failed, for example |
| 22:04.23 | LimCore | is there some branch or project like debian aimed at being very "stable" - but not in terms of stable API/ABI etc, but in sense of quickly appling all possible bugfixes. If I want old applications, but more bug-free then in Stable |
| 22:04.36 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: not really |
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| 22:04.47 | valdyn | LimCore: that would be nice, but its not really possible in reality |
| 22:05.00 | Trollinator | jelly-home: i don't have any cron jobs that might fail. |
| 22:05.04 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: backporting all possible bug fixes would take an insane amount of time (and probably isn't ever going to happen) |
| 22:05.06 | LimCore | valdyn: perhaps it may be possible if we concentrate only on servers? |
| 22:05.11 | valdyn | LimCore: bugfixes add bugs, features add bugs, thats the nature of things |
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| 22:05.25 | Trollinator | besides, you don't need to run an smtpd just for /sbin/sendmail to be able to deliver mails. |
| 22:05.35 | jelly-home | LimCore: you could start with debian stable, and track a small subset of apps yourself |
| 22:05.43 | valdyn | LimCore: and debian does not add new bugs by its policy ( or at least a minimum ) |
| 22:05.49 | stew | Trollinator: you need an MTA of some sort, it doens't have to be one that can receive, it can be one like smtps or nullmailer |
| 22:05.59 | LimCore | jelly-home: I bet more people are in simmilar position.. perhaps its a good idea for new sub-distro or something? |
| 22:06.21 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: it'd be best for starters to at least get those bugs fixed in unstable |
| 22:06.24 | jelly-home | LimCore: no, because your subset of wanted apps differs from my subset :-) |
| 22:06.33 | valdyn | LimCore: feel free to start that project, but from what i already said follows that that new distro will have new bugs and less people to support / use it |
| 22:06.41 | Younix | is there some command you can use to find out what packets are being sent to your IP |
| 22:06.53 | petemc | iptraf |
| 22:06.57 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: since right now there aren't enough people working for us to even do that completely. |
| 22:07.01 | LimCore | valdyn: bah, making any distro is a paramount project... without like 500 people it makes little sense |
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| 22:07.11 | petemc | Younix: or tcpdump , to see inside the packets |
| 22:07.13 | valdyn | LimCore: yes, exactly |
| 22:07.22 | LimCore | wonders how many active (i.e. over 1 hour per day) devels are in Debian |
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| 22:07.39 | valdyn | LimCore: get your fixed scponly or use rssh and stick to stable, thats the sane option |
| 22:07.42 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: on average? Probably a few hundred. |
| 22:07.46 | valdyn | LimCore: everyone does it like that |
| 22:08.27 | LimCore | valdyn: if I would fix scponly, can we get this fix to experimental |
| 22:08.30 | valdyn | LimCore: though some packages dont need much work at all, that doesnt mean that the dev will not be very responsive to issues |
| 22:08.41 | valdyn | LimCore: its fixed in unstable, no? |
| 22:08.55 | LimCore | erm ok I have to see this... btb |
| 22:08.58 | LimCore | *brb |
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| 22:09.55 | Trollinator | stew: the problem is that most normal users aren't even aware of the existence of local mail |
| 22:09.58 | valdyn | !info scponly sid |
| 22:10.06 | dpkg | scponly: (Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.6-1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 22:10.32 | stew | Trollinator: ok |
| 22:10.34 | valdyn | Trollinator: which is why the default settigns of exim4 and not ever touching it again will be ok for them |
| 22:11.23 | valdyn | Trollinator: but actively switching off diagnosis / system info mails is an entirely different thing than not being aware of their existance |
| 22:11.24 | Trollinator | valdyn: having a non-working /sbin/sendmail will be just as OK. |
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| 22:11.39 | valdyn | Trollinator: sure, if its ok for you its ok for you |
| 22:11.50 | petemc | most if my users want to send mail |
| 22:11.56 | petemc | s/if/of/ |
| 22:12.05 | stew | and i certainly want to know when cron jobs fail |
| 22:12.11 | stew | even if i'm often too lazy to fix them :) |
| 22:12.22 | Trollinator | valdyn: why, what's the difference? Users won't read them. |
| 22:12.36 | petemc | very cynical |
| 22:12.53 | valdyn | Trollinator: they will _need_ to read them or ask a consultant to read them if something they need fails |
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| 22:13.14 | jelly-home | I believe Trollinator is thinking of single-user desktop usage case |
| 22:13.15 | Trollinator | And besides, sending diagnosis/system info via mail is a bloody stupid idea |
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| 22:13.21 | Trollinator | jelly-home: yes, i am. |
| 22:13.22 | valdyn | Trollinator: you are free to switch off logging completely too |
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| 22:13.30 | valdyn | Trollinator: but thats entirely unsupportable |
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| 22:13.41 | Trollinator | log files are a better idea |
| 22:13.43 | jelly-home | Trollinator: rather than that, think of a smtp as an integral part of a working Debian system |
| 22:13.54 | petemc | Trollinator: if you think that the issue of including a working mta in the base of debian hasnt been well mooted, you're wrong |
| 22:13.54 | AwesomeGuy | ef, you see? kay |
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| 22:14.14 | jelly-home | Trollinator: sure you can remove most of the important bits, but, like I said, when you do this, you lose some functionality |
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| 22:14.24 | Trollinator | hell, most people don't even use cron. |
| 22:14.30 | stew | Trollinator: all debian systems do |
| 22:14.37 | jelly-home | the OS uses cron by default |
| 22:14.44 | valdyn | Trollinator: most people probably dont know that they rely on cron |
| 22:14.46 | stew | (until someone goes out of their way to disable it) |
| 22:14.53 | valdyn | Trollinator: that doesnt mean that its not useful for them |
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| 22:15.54 | Trollinator | all my crontabs are empty... |
| 22:16.01 | Trollinator | and that's the way it should be. |
| 22:16.01 | Supaplex | what? no cron? TEH APOCLYPSE HAS COME ;) heh. you fuq with my cron, you deal with *me*. |
| 22:16.03 | valdyn | Trollinator: i think you're mistaken if you think that the typical debian user does not know about cron |
| 22:16.11 | jelly-home | Trollinator: /etc/cron.* is not empty |
| 22:16.11 | valdyn | Trollinator: maybe thats true for ubuntu, sure not debian |
| 22:16.19 | stew | Trollinator: /etc/crontab is empty? |
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| 22:16.49 | petemc | Trollinator: the nature of linux means you're able to change it to fit your needs, including working around debians need for an mta. so do that if you want, but dont try to argue that you know best |
| 22:16.54 | jelly-home | Trollinator: I take a look at local' root mail maybe once a month, but sometimes there's interesting errors there that cannot be easily found elsewhere |
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| 22:17.29 | Trollinator | my point is that it's a bloody stupid idea to send those events by mail. That's what log files are for. |
| 22:17.38 | jelly-home | Trollinator: nope |
| 22:17.39 | petemc | and you know best |
| 22:17.47 | Trollinator | petemc: sure i do. |
| 22:17.57 | Supaplex | Trollinator: heaven forbid you use .forward |
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| 22:18.31 | petemc | Trollinator: i wouldnt want my users reading my logs |
| 22:18.34 | jelly-home | Trollinator: normal users don't look at log files |
| 22:18.40 | valdyn | Trollinator: have you ever looked at those errors? |
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| 22:18.47 | valdyn | Trollinator: they arent suitable for log files |
| 22:18.48 | Trollinator | valdyn: no :) |
| 22:18.56 | jelly-home | stops feeding the Trollinator |
| 22:19.04 | petemc | the clue is in the name |
| 22:19.10 | valdyn | Trollinator: they are completely app specific, they will at best make a cluttered unparsable logfile |
| 22:19.10 | petemc | (nick) |
| 22:19.32 | jelly-home | petemc: he's not always an arrogant prick! |
| 22:19.39 | petemc | fair enough |
| 22:19.51 | jelly-home | what's in a name :-) |
| 22:20.03 | petemc | would a rose smell as sweet.. |
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| 22:20.28 | valdyn | Trollinator: but.. forwarding the jobname that failed to logfile wouldnt that bad, you can do it. |
| 22:20.34 | LimCore | valdyn: it seems that only 4.6 is in unstable |
| 22:20.52 | valdyn | LimCore: i see |
| 22:20.56 | jelly-home | /nick r0s1n@t3r |
| 22:20.56 | Trollinator | anyway, i don't really care about this anyway. |
| 22:21.14 | petemc | you're just cantankerous |
| 22:21.25 | Supaplex | !petemc++ |
| 22:21.30 | Trollinator | what's that? |
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| 22:21.41 | itchi | I just get my system mail forwarded to my main email account, is easier |
| 22:21.41 | Supaplex | it's added karma for a wise comment |
| 22:21.44 | valdyn | LimCore: ok then, if you got a fixed version, im sure you an talk about doing an nmu with some dev in here, I have no idea about it |
| 22:21.47 | valdyn | !nmu |
| 22:21.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
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| 22:22.01 | Trollinator | i meant "cantankerous" |
| 22:22.03 | LimCore | valdyn: hmm actually I didnt yet find a full solution :(( |
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| 22:22.16 | jelly-home | Trollinator: google for define:word |
| 22:22.33 | LimCore | am I the only person that try to setup chroote sftp/scp server in 64 bit debian? |
| 22:22.38 | Trollinator | jelly-home: I've looked it up in a dictionary. |
| 22:22.46 | valdyn | LimCore: try rssh, that explicitely mentions chroot |
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| 22:22.47 | Trollinator | english-german that is. |
| 22:22.48 | LimCore | perhaps they are other solutions besides scponly |
| 22:22.55 | LimCore | valdyn: hmm ok |
| 22:22.56 | deadcat | what software do i use to add comments to the EXIF? |
| 22:22.59 | valdyn | LimCore: so support for it should be better ( mind, i dont use either ) |
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| 22:23.17 | LimCore | what tool to use to create a chroot for application xyz ? |
| 22:24.26 | wfq | has anyone compiled the ALSA driver instead of using the debian lenny's |
| 22:24.32 | zinx | LimCore: why do you need a chroot for it? |
| 22:24.52 | itchi | deadcat: jhead |
| 22:24.56 | wfq | debian lenny's is not working for my rubbish toshiba laptop |
| 22:25.04 | deadcat | itchi: thanks |
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| 22:25.14 | hso | hi! I'm using Debian lenny and using fglrx 8.45.5-1. The only problem that I have is that xorg just hangs when I atempt to logout. Anyone has|had this problem? |
| 22:25.22 | stew | wfq: /msg dpkg new alsa |
| 22:26.51 | LimCore | zinx: for security. I plan to use grsecurity so that chroot can not be exited btw |
| 22:27.14 | zinx | LimCore: maybe you'd be better off with UML or such if you care that much about it? |
| 22:27.19 | wfq | stew, should I then remove firstly the one that are currently installed? |
| 22:27.21 | x_link | Hi! |
| 22:27.25 | zinx | LimCore: user-mode linux, that is |
| 22:27.26 | x_link | How do I save my changes in alsamixer? |
| 22:27.28 | LimCore | zinx: I tried qemu, but it didn't worked |
| 22:27.40 | zinx | LimCore: UML is a different beast altogether |
| 22:27.43 | jelly-home | LimCore: vserver? :-) |
| 22:27.46 | hso | x_link: try "alsactl store" as root |
| 22:27.47 | petemc | s/didnt/coudlnt make it/ |
| 22:28.03 | stew | wfq: there is no need to (the one currently installed is part of your kernel, which you cannot really remove) |
| 22:28.06 | x_link | hso: Okej, thanks! |
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| 22:28.25 | wfq | stew, ok |
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| 22:28.52 | x_link | hso: It worked, thansk! |
| 22:28.55 | x_link | Thanks! |
| 22:29.02 | x_link | Now good night! =) |
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| 22:29.21 | hso | x_link: you're welcome |
| 22:29.22 | hso | ! |
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| 22:33.03 | t04no | how can i start an application (from the shell) with a different locale ? export LANG=new_ONE didn't work ... |
| 22:33.34 | dondelelcaro | t04no: LANG=C foo app; |
| 22:34.17 | dondelelcaro | t04no: that assumes of course, that you don't have other env variables controling what language is being displayed and that whatever language you choose has been built and the application in question is localized in it. |
| 22:34.18 | ir8 | has anyone here done anything with automated installs with software rai |
| 22:34.40 | ir8 | raid |
| 22:35.52 | dondelelcaro | ir8: lets say that the answer is yes. |
| 22:36.22 | t04no | dondelelcaro: i did that but it still complains: ERROR: In procedure setlocale: ERROR: Invalid argument |
| 22:36.35 | dondelelcaro | t04no: what is the precise language that you chose? |
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| 22:37.29 | itchi | ir8: About which automated install do you talk? |
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| 22:38.30 | ir8 | itchi: i have a custom configure preseed.cfg i need help with getting raid 1 software raid to work with it |
| 22:38.43 | t04no | dondelelcaro: LANG is set to de_DE.UTF-8. i need for this application en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:39.16 | dondelelcaro | t04no: and what does LANG="en_US.UTF-8" locale; output? |
| 22:40.41 | quincy | Is there a way to list all installed packages? |
| 22:41.07 | itchi | ir8: I didn't try preseed with a raid setup yet |
| 22:41.10 | wfq | stew, when I am said: You should now stop all applications using sound devicesand reload all ALSA sound modules.That means I have to do alsaconf and alsa reload? |
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| 22:41.40 | Supaplex | pats dpkg for remove nvidia |
| 22:41.42 | stew | wfq: just running alsaconf should take care of it |
| 22:41.50 | stew | quincy: aptitude search '~i' |
| 22:41.59 | ir8 | itchi: hrm.. can you help me find some docs with it? |
| 22:42.10 | itchi | ir8: I'm already looking |
| 22:42.15 | t04no | dondelelcaro: http://pastie.caboo.se/169977 |
| 22:42.15 | ir8 | i have time right now to attack on this subject and get soem progress done with it |
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| 22:42.30 | ir8 | itchi: i been looking for a while now have to find soem good docs on it. |
| 22:42.58 | dondelelcaro | t04no: ok, you haven't built the en_US.UTF-8 locales; run dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build them. |
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| 22:44.26 | orudie | i am new to linux, how would i lock a user in his home directory ? |
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| 22:44.37 | dondelelcaro | orudie: you don't. |
| 22:45.08 | quincy | stew: Is there a way to list them by the size they take up? |
| 22:45.09 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
| 22:45.21 | abrotman | hi |
| 22:45.23 | t04no | dondelelcaro: just found that out by looking into /etc/locale.gen . thx for pointing me in the right direction :) |
| 22:45.25 | orudie | dondelelcaro: i dont what ? |
| 22:45.41 | dondelelcaro | orudie: you don't confine users to their home directory |
| 22:45.54 | wfq | stew, it is working man!!! ha ha ha.. After 4 days, I could finish (Don't tell anyone I spent my entire Easter holidays installing debian on my laptop) :) |
| 22:45.54 | stew | quincy: i don't know of a simple way, but install the grep-dctrl package, listing installed packages by size is an example in the grep-dctrl manpage |
| 22:45.59 | ir8 | maybe there are other people as well who here has a pxe-booted and install debian with software raid |
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| 22:46.15 | stew | everyone, please see above message about wfq spends his easter |
| 22:46.19 | stew | :P |
| 22:46.26 | wfq | :) |
| 22:46.48 | ir8 | wfq: now figure out how to pxe-boot auto installer over XMAS :P |
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| 22:48.42 | stew | ir8: there are some docs at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller about preseeding, I have no idea how helpful they are, however |
| 22:48.54 | wfq | ir8, it has been a walk by the hell to compile the three intel stuff: 4965 wifi, G965 graphic and ich82801 sound card... Above all after 9 months without linux but never ever: |
| 22:48.59 | ir8 | i am alraedy past all the stuff. |
| 22:49.05 | itchi | stew: No mention of RAID there :-s |
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| 22:50.05 | itchi | Well there's some doc about this, i'm sure. When i searched for some preseed doc, i saw a automated RAID setup doc that i wanted to test too ... But you know the end of the story :-p |
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| 22:51.51 | ir8 | itchi: i am still search for it. |
| 22:52.07 | ir8 | i found soemething this afternoon. let me post the linka nd see if you can make sense of this; |
| 22:52.10 | itchi | ir8: Hmm, wait, stew is right, there's some RAID info there on now |
| 22:52.12 | andresj | hello. What can I do to create a /etc/init.d script that starts a daemon? This daemon doesn't fork by itself, and that is my main problem. When I use "start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON" in my script the script never ends until I Ctrl-C, htus killing my daemon. And when I add the "--background" option, it will start the daemon but does not create the pid file, so I can't stop the daemon. |
| 22:52.56 | stew | andresj: see s-s-d's -b option |
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| 22:53.16 | andresj | stew: that is --background. |
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| 22:53.24 | RoKisTaR | Hi |
| 22:53.30 | lsec | hi |
| 22:53.32 | RoKisTaR | someone can help me? |
| 22:53.34 | peleg | how do you make the output of "find" appear in a file instead of on your screen? tried " find / -name '*.ics' >> ics-locs " but it didn't work. |
| 22:53.41 | lsec | RoKisTaR: about? |
| 22:53.59 | jelly-home | andresj: add -m ? |
| 22:53.59 | RoKisTaR | I don't know how install my wireless board |
| 22:54.04 | itchi | ir8: Is it sata RAID? |
| 22:54.06 | stew | andresj: yes |
| 22:54.24 | RoKisTaR | Isec, sorry about my english , because I'm from brazil |
| 22:54.25 | itchi | ir8: Well that don't matter |
| 22:54.31 | stew | andresj: oh, sorry, i misread your orginal posting |
| 22:54.35 | itchi | ir8: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 22:55.08 | RoKisTaR | my wireless board is a intel 1930 |
| 22:55.17 | stew | andresj: -m |
| 22:55.19 | jelly-home | peleg: >> means "append to the already existing file", you might want > instead |
| 22:55.20 | andresj | jelly-home: my script does it two times. one with --test, and the other with the complete cmd args for my daemon. Should I add --make-pid to both calls, or only the "real" one? Should I remove --check-pid from the real one, also? |
| 22:55.46 | peleg | jelly-home: oh - thanks! |
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| 22:55.56 | arooni | how can i check what outgoing ports are currently firewalled? also what port is email normally sent on ? (debian etch) |
| 22:56.10 | RoKisTaR | Ubuntu don't identify my wireless board |
| 22:56.13 | jelly-home | andresj: the real one, I guess. No idea about --check-pid, but what you write sounds reasonable |
| 22:56.28 | RoKisTaR | my wireless card* |
| 22:56.29 | stew | RoKisTaR: plase go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 22:56.44 | RoKisTaR | but nobody help me in Ubuntu |
| 22:56.45 | RoKisTaR | =/ |
| 22:56.58 | stew | RoKisTaR: try a ubuntu web forum or a ubuntu mailing list, then |
| 22:57.15 | lsec | RoKisTaR, hope this will give you some fresh ideas - http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 22:58.05 | RoKisTaR | Oh thanks , but I want help in a chat , because I don't know a lot about wirelss |
| 22:58.09 | RoKisTaR | wireless |
| 22:58.26 | stew | RoKisTaR: then keep trying in #ubuntu |
| 22:58.43 | stew | RoKisTaR: or perhaps #ubuntu-pt |
| 22:59.12 | jelly-home | RoKisTaR: ubuntu is sufficiently different from debian that applying advice appropriate for debian could mess up your system :-| |
| 22:59.12 | RoKisTaR | yeah ubuntu-pt sometimes can help me |
| 22:59.24 | RoKisTaR | thanks |
| 22:59.29 | lsec | RoKisTaR, sometimes it is interesting to be an explorer in some areas, so give it a try :) |
| 22:59.49 | itchi | ir8: Do you get this issue? http://fixunix.com/debian/330301-preseeding-lvm-over-software-raid.html |
| 22:59.49 | RoKisTaR | with you discover something tell me |
| 22:59.50 | RoKisTaR | =D |
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| 23:02.00 | ir8 | itchi: hemrhmrmmmm that just shows me how todo with the installer GUI |
| 23:02.15 | john1 | if I do a dpkg -l it gives me package version without the epoch. Is it possible to enable displaying of the epoch or is there a different way to get that info? |
| 23:02.16 | ir8 | that is simple but not automatically unless i am totally missing something. |
| 23:02.36 | itchi | ir8: See the next link, there's a know bug and i'm asking if you hit it. |
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| 23:03.09 | itchi | ir8: You are right, and i think you need to do some steps manually, till the partitioning |
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| 23:03.32 | stew | johnf: "dpkg -s packagename" ? |
| 23:04.03 | johnf | stew: yeah but I want the installed version of every single package |
| 23:04.24 | johnf | apt-show-versions seems to be what I want |
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| 23:05.08 | lsec | johnf, dpkg --get-selections > file? |
| 23:05.13 | petemc | johnf: what do think the epoch is? |
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| 23:06.12 | stew | johnf: grep-status -Fstatus installed -s Package,Version |
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| 23:07.09 | vchrizz | hi |
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| 23:08.43 | vchrizz | tftpd-hpa shows in log "filename somefile.ext" (without any path) .. how do i find out which file that is? is there some process monitoring tool which shows disk actions? |
| 23:09.00 | andresj | not sure if this also applies to debian (im on ubuntu), but when I run a init.d-like script with a normal user (but nothing it does needs root access), I keep getting "open: Permission denied" messages, one before and one after each call to log_daemon_msg. I checked the source code of /lib/lsb/init-functions, which is .'ed in my script, and the function is pretty straightforward... with no file-opening at all... |
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| 23:10.14 | petemc | vchrizz: there are ways to log disk access, they've obviously very verbose |
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| 23:10.31 | petemc | echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 23:11.04 | petemc | vchrizz: that may not be appropriate to your problem |
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| 23:11.52 | abrotman | petemc: watch lsof | grep file? |
| 23:12.29 | petemc | sounds good |
| 23:12.42 | stew | watch "lsof | grep file" |
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| 23:12.51 | abrotman | yeah yeah .. |
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| 23:13.44 | stew | i pretty much only ever get that right on the second try myself :) |
| 23:14.04 | abrotman | i didn't even try .. exercise left to the user :) |
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| 23:14.23 | ves | hi, anyone experienced in libpam-pgsql/libnss-pgsql configuration? |
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| 23:19.02 | magyar | hi, how can i fix grub, when windows installer deleted the MBR? |
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| 23:19.14 | stew | magyar: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 23:19.47 | ir8 | magyar: get the livecd and mount the drive and grub0install |
| 23:20.28 | petemc | stew: did you know that spelling conor with 2 ns was the protestant irish way fo spelling conor |
| 23:20.28 | magyar | the livecd i have is from etch and it cant read SATA cdroms |
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| 23:20.49 | petemc | it should be spelt conhuir |
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| 23:21.40 | stew | petemc: i looked up my family history in dubin, and probaby saw a dozen spellings, i hadn't heard that distinction though |
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| 23:22.08 | stew | petemc: though maybe it expains my tollerance for protestant whisky |
| 23:22.09 | petemc | stew: im from northern ireland, we focus on such distinctions |
| 23:22.34 | petemc | pronunciation of `h' and such |
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| 23:27.15 | cafuego | yawns |
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| 23:27.36 | abrotman | should i laugh or feel bad if i still have a .redcarpet/ in $HOME ? |
| 23:27.37 | Lewoco | How do I tell aptitude to use 'testing' for a certain program (and it's dependencies) and 'stable' for everything else? |
| 23:27.49 | abrotman | Lewoco: mixing is bad .. use backports.org |
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| 23:28.27 | lithophyte | I'm trying to install debian sid on a usb stick, I can't seem to get libcwidget1 though ; aptitude: Depends: libcwidget1 but it is not installable |
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| 23:29.10 | abrotman | lithophyte: you have libcwidget3 |
| 23:29.14 | lithophyte | I've chrooted into a dir where my usb stick is mounted and have a basic filesystem |
| 23:29.31 | lithophyte | yea but everything depends on libcwidget1 |
| 23:29.41 | abrotman | lithophyte: do you know what 'unstable' means? |
| 23:30.18 | abchirk | Hi all |
| 23:30.29 | lithophyte | well fsck |
| 23:30.33 | abchirk | Is there any package for firefox 3? |
| 23:30.43 | abrotman | abchirk: not in debian |
| 23:30.48 | abchirk | mh ok. :( |
| 23:30.57 | abrotman | abchirk: maybe ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 23:31.30 | xand | !ftp must die |
| 23:31.31 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 23:31.38 | abchirk | Mh yes, I know how to do this from sources or take bin... but thaught there is a debian pkg too. :) |
| 23:31.39 | abchirk | thx |
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| 23:32.04 | petemc | for throwing files around a network, ftp is fine |
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| 23:32.46 | petemc | what would get a user closer to `wire speed' than ftp? |
| 23:33.02 | lithophyte | I need to get libcwidget1 for unstable |
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| 23:33.05 | cire | hi everybody. I long time ago I used a small tool which extracts the human readable data from a string. So that only a-z and 0-9 are printed. I forgot the name. Do you know such a commandline tool? |
| 23:33.14 | petemc | strings |
| 23:33.23 | cire | ohh, thanks |
| 23:33.34 | petemc | np |
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| 23:34.43 | abrotman | petemc: netcat ? |
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| 23:35.12 | petemc | abrotman: perhaps |
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| 23:35.29 | cafuego | petemc: udp netcat |
| 23:35.34 | petemc | ive not tested, ftp has nice clients etc |
| 23:35.44 | lithophyte | alright well I just installed libcwidget from testing on my unstable it worked |
| 23:35.45 | cafuego | of course, that also gets you to wire lossiness |
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| 23:36.08 | ir8 | stew: you have a few mins buddy? |
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| 23:37.06 | vchrizz | petemc, i tried your hint, but that also jsut shows which file the process accessed and not the full path :/ |
| 23:37.47 | stew | ir8: if you have a question, just ask, if its about preseeding, i'm not the one you should be asking anyway |
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| 23:38.39 | petemc | vchrizz: what are you trying to do? |
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| 23:39.29 | cafuego | vchrizz: the full path is what you told tftpd |
| 23:39.52 | petemc | i remember trying to setup netbooting, when i had to make the file the name of the ip in hex, and put that where the tfpd looked |
| 23:40.05 | petemc | if thats it.. |
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| 23:40.14 | vchrizz | petemc: im trying to pxeboot the winxp kernel for something like a netinstall or live system... |
| 23:40.21 | netdaemon_ | damnit |
| 23:40.31 | cafuego | petemc: tftp will look for the file dhcpd tells it to |
| 23:40.41 | petemc | i didnt realise windows supported that |
| 23:40.42 | vchrizz | cafuego: well, sure, but the client cant access the file though |
| 23:40.44 | ir8 | anyone here a preseeding ninja with raid1 with auto partioning |
| 23:40.48 | vchrizz | tftpd-hpa |
| 23:40.56 | abrotman | ir8: ask a better question |
| 23:40.59 | cafuego | vchrizz: then tftpd doesn't have the right file path |
| 23:41.06 | vchrizz | i tried atftpd but that has some bug complaining about blksize.. |
| 23:41.14 | vchrizz | now im at tftpd-hpa ;) |
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| 23:41.44 | ir8 | abrotman: I am attempting to get auto partioning work with di-installer for raid1 configuration for software raid |
| 23:41.54 | abrotman | swraid or hwraid ? |
| 23:41.55 | ir8 | now can proceed in getting this done/> |
| 23:42.00 | ir8 | software. |
| 23:42.03 | cafuego | bios raid, i think you mean |
| 23:42.14 | cafuego | software raid is md raid and a good idea, bios raid is not |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | well .. i know you can preseed partition sizes .. i have no idea if you can preseed swraid |
| 23:42.26 | ir8 | yeah mdraid. |
| 23:42.37 | abrotman | ah .. trusty mandrake raid .. |
| 23:42.50 | Supaplex | navigates the awry waters of backporting sid nvidia-source and deps to etch |
| 23:42.53 | cafuego | vchrizz: tftpd installs itself here and points its image dir at /srv/tftp |
| 23:43.07 | ir8 | abrotman: hemmm. You can do thing with centos really easy |
| 23:43.46 | vchrizz | independent if i start tftpd-hpa as daemon or inetd... (tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -l -v) the log shows just this: |
| 23:43.50 | abrotman | ir8: break your question up .. which part do you want help with first? |
| 23:43.53 | vchrizz | Mar 24 11:44:05 kate atftpd[25539]: Serving /srv/tftpboot/startrom.0 to 10.0.0.6:57093 |
| 23:43.53 | vchrizz | Mar 24 11:44:06 kate atftpd[25539]: Serving NTLDR to 10.0.0.6:2072 |
| 23:44.23 | vchrizz | oh wrong paste |
| 23:44.24 | cafuego | vchrizz: So there ya go. |
| 23:44.30 | vchrizz | this was atftpd |
| 23:44.43 | ir8 | abrotman: I am paste the part where i have debian automatically install via pxe boot. |
| 23:45.00 | abrotman | (not helpful) |
| 23:45.03 | cafuego | vchrizz: So if a client wants 'boot.bib' you make sure there is a '/srv/tftp/boot.bib' on the server |
| 23:45.14 | ir8 | abrotman: the issue is that i do not see anything the docs to get this working. |
| 23:45.16 | cafuego | Sorry, /srv/tftpboot/boot.bib |
| 23:45.27 | abrotman | ir8: WHAT working? |
| 23:45.29 | cafuego | vchrizz: *how* to specify that depends on the server |
| 23:45.42 | ir8 | SWraid automatically configuring. |
| 23:46.02 | abrotman | i don't know anything about swraid .. but i *know* you can have preseeding do the partitioning of drives |
| 23:46.13 | petemc | cafuego: am i misremembering about having a file with the name of ip address in hex? |
| 23:46.16 | vchrizz | Mar 25 00:34:49 kate -l[10049]: RRQ from 10.0.0.6 filename /srv/tftpboot/startrom.0 |
| 23:46.16 | vchrizz | Mar 25 00:34:51 kate -l[10052]: RRQ from 10.0.0.6 filename NTLDR |
| 23:46.20 | vchrizz | this is tftpd-hpa |
| 23:46.26 | ir8 | that part is really simple the partitioning of the drives. |
| 23:46.27 | abrotman | ir8: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman-raid |
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| 23:46.45 | cafuego | petemc: MAC address afaik, it'll go through the aprts, UNLESS you tell it what it wants via dhcp. |
| 23:46.57 | t04no | is there a tool to see the debs using the most diskspace ? |
| 23:47.03 | vchrizz | and at the point serving NTLDR, the client tells "tftp download failed" |
| 23:47.18 | vchrizz | so NTLDR is in the wrong dir i would say? |
| 23:47.20 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 23:47.20 | dpkg | well, sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 23:47.30 | cafuego | vchrizz: it's windows, is it surprising that it fails? ;-) |
| 23:47.54 | vchrizz | :P |
| 23:48.18 | cafuego | vchrizz: Sorry I can't be more useful; I've not had 'download failed' issues here, tftp works just dandy. |
| 23:48.39 | petemc | uhm |
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| 23:48.43 | petemc | dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n |
| 23:48.45 | abrotman | vchrizz: perhaps you should try to get a debian machine booting via tftp ? |
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| 23:49.18 | Saar | how can i found out with what ./configure options a specific package/program has been compiled? slapd in this case |
| 23:49.18 | vchrizz | not really surprising... but i always get a headache when i see, windows apps filenames are mostly hardcoded and are not moveable with any config ... :P |
| 23:49.21 | Saar | find out even |
| 23:49.25 | ir8 | abrotman: can you help me a little bit please if you can? |
| 23:49.31 | abrotman | petemc: i just like that texlive stuff is bigger than the kernel |
| 23:49.35 | Saar | what=which |
| 23:49.37 | abrotman | ir8: did you read the link ? |
| 23:49.48 | ir8 | abrotman: ye. |
| 23:49.51 | ir8 | abrotman: yes sir. |
| 23:49.54 | abrotman | it explains it |
| 23:50.02 | abrotman | i don't use swraid .. so i can't help there |
| 23:50.04 | cafuego | Saar: Check the invocation in the source pkg |
| 23:50.10 | ir8 | yes a little confused. |
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| 23:50.19 | cafuego | Saar: For the record, the debian one lacks TLS and psql. |
| 23:50.21 | vchrizz | abrotman: its debian where the tftpd-hpa runs at and the client has also debian on it, but which os the client has, is independend in this situation... |
| 23:50.23 | petemc | abrotman: its a long time since i worried about package sizes |
| 23:50.44 | abrotman | petemc: i know .. (see above about ~/.redcarpet/) |
| 23:50.59 | petemc | its 2008, we live in the future! |
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| 23:51.32 | abrotman | petemc: i still have a 40GB drive in this laptop! |
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| 23:51.45 | Saar | cafuego: does it also lack ppolicy? |
| 23:51.50 | petemc | /dev/hda1 1.8G 1.6G 56M 97% / |
| 23:52.14 | bc | how do I get this to stop doing this, and *not* install anything mysql related (i.e. forget about it)? http://pastie.caboo.se/170022 |
| 23:52.15 | petemc | 500mhz p3 |
| 23:52.20 | abrotman | petemc: time to clean up a bit! |
| 23:52.38 | petemc | im moving it to xen domu |
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| 23:52.45 | abrotman | bc: apt-get -f install ? |
| 23:52.50 | bc | abrotman: I don |
| 23:52.51 | gener1c | yeah baby |
| 23:52.57 | abrotman | bc: and the output ? |
| 23:52.58 | bc | abrotman: I don't want to install those items |
| 23:53.05 | gener1c | pastie |
| 23:53.13 | abrotman | gener1c: do you need help? |
| 23:53.38 | bc | abrotman: I would rather get apt to forget I said anything about mysql in the past. |
| 23:53.40 | abrotman | bc: apt-get remove mysql-client ? |
| 23:53.49 | cafuego | Saar: I don't know |
| 23:53.52 | abrotman | bc: dpkg -P mysql-client ? |
| 23:53.54 | bc | abrotman: I'd like to keep the mysql-client I have installed (4.x) |
| 23:54.13 | abrotman | bc: uh .. which veresion of debian is this? |
| 23:54.57 | bc | abrotman: `cat /etc/debian_version` says 4.0 |
| 23:55.08 | abrotman | etch doesn't have mysql4 |
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| 23:55.25 | bc | stabs himself in the eyes |
| 23:55.28 | t04no | petemc: thx. that's what i was looking for for. |
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| 23:55.53 | abrotman | bc: what? |
| 23:55.53 | vchrizz | cafuego: could you please have a look at my tftpd-hpa log? http://rafb.net/p/3Rk0bj30.html |
| 23:56.10 | gener1c | i am on gnome and i use smb4k and it keeps on bugging up on me, although i am using amarok as well and i didnt get any problems from it....is there a magic workaround? i am on lenny and humz the bug is that smb4k just keeps on freezing, i do succeed in killing it but sometimes it freezes again and again and etc |
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| 23:56.42 | gener1c | s/etc/so on |
| 23:56.44 | vchrizz | on atftpd that worked the same way and the client didnt tell any errors |
| 23:57.21 | abrotman | !bts |
| 23:57.21 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 23:58.22 | gener1c | is there another none buggy smb client i can use that is close to smb4k feature wise and is gnome-lib based? |
| 23:58.33 | simonrvn | bits from the sid |
| 23:58.43 | abrotman | gener1c: konqueror ? |
| 23:58.48 | gener1c | humz |
| 23:58.51 | anaoum | what is the standard product lifetime of debian stable releases? |
| 23:59.06 | gener1c | thats just a browser and a window management system |
| 23:59.07 | bc | abrotman: dpkg status is iU; would removing the unpacked archive stop it from attempting to install it, or is there some 'status' file somewhere that would still baulk about it? |
| 23:59.09 | abrotman | anaoum: it depends .. there's no magic number |
| 23:59.19 | stew | anaoum: 1 year after the following stable release |
| 23:59.25 | abrotman | bc: you can edit the /var/lib/dpkg/status if you really want |
| 23:59.32 | gener1c | without the smb url shtick it wont work |
| 23:59.40 | abrotman | stew: i think he means total |
| 23:59.51 | stew | abrotman: i know, i told him as accurately as possible |
| 23:59.55 | abrotman | heh |
