| 00:00.15 | simonrvn | konqueror isn't a wm |
| 00:00.25 | gener1c | yeah a window brawser |
| 00:00.28 | gener1c | whatever |
| 00:00.34 | anaoum | say if i just had "stable" in my sources.list, when a new distro came out, would it upgrade smoothly? hence i'd always be on the supported version |
| 00:00.35 | gener1c | browser* |
| 00:00.46 | bc | abrotman: why do I get the feeling that is a bad idea? :) |
| 00:00.49 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 00:00.50 | egn | hi, I have a iBook G3 and when I put ati as the driver in xorg.conf X starts but it's all boggled and I cant see anything but a huge streak of my mouse... are there any other drivers I can use besides vesa? |
| 00:01.14 | abrotman | anaoum: that's the idea .. of course you'd read the release notes, etc before doing that |
| 00:01.14 | gener1c | ok just a browser |
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| 00:01.27 | abrotman | gener1c: ask #debian-kde |
| 00:01.37 | gener1c | but i am on gnome thats the whole point! |
| 00:01.43 | abrotman | then use nautilus |
| 00:01.51 | stew | anaoum: no, it doesn't upgrade on its own, there are steps you have to take to ensure a smooth upgrade. "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" and read chapter 4 of the release notes to get an idea of what the recommended procedure was from the last stable release |
| 00:02.14 | gener1c | does nautilus support smb protocol by default/? |
| 00:02.19 | abrotman | TRY IT |
| 00:02.24 | gener1c | ok ok! |
| 00:02.28 | gener1c | sheesh |
| 00:02.41 | stew | anaoum: i mean, it does upgrade on its own, but it is not expected to be smooth on its own. for that reason, it is recommended to NOT use 'stable' in your sources.list, but instead use a release name, such as 'etch' |
| 00:02.48 | simonrvn | keeps his mouth shut... |
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| 00:04.34 | bc | abrotman: that seemed to work. I suspect the world will asplode in 5..4..3... :D |
| 00:04.53 | abrotman | bc: well .. there is that possibility |
| 00:04.59 | bc | abrotman: hehe |
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| 00:05.31 | simonrvn | a dirty nuke could hit your house in the next 10 minutes |
| 00:05.37 | abrotman | then it wouldn't matter! |
| 00:05.43 | bc | abrotman: hope not, but the good news is I have backups. simonrvn, :)) |
| 00:05.51 | Supaplex | !fart |
| 00:05.51 | dpkg | farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 00:06.03 | abrotman | bc: and i should note again .. etch does NOT have mysql-4 |
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| 00:06.32 | bc | abrotman: I'm not disputing that.. everything I have over here is half way to fubar. |
| 00:06.35 | simonrvn | Supaplex: hehe |
| 00:06.47 | simonrvn | i'd forgotten about that :) |
| 00:06.48 | abrotman | bc: you should *really* get your stuff working on mysql5 |
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| 00:07.25 | Supaplex | abrotman =~ s/on mysql*/on Pg/ ;) |
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| 00:07.45 | abrotman | Supaplex: yeah .. that too |
| 00:07.51 | simonrvn | s,5,8.x, |
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| 00:07.59 | puff | Perhaps I'm confused... I had thought that putting a file in /etc/cron.daily would ensure that it would be executed by the cron daemon once a day. |
| 00:08.06 | puff | But I don't see it showing up in the logs. |
| 00:08.11 | abrotman | puff: what's the file name? |
| 00:08.34 | simonrvn | did you make it + too? |
| 00:08.39 | abrotman | +x |
| 00:08.41 | simonrvn | +x even |
| 00:09.21 | abrotman | must be a very long file name |
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| 00:09.25 | bc | abrotman: right, this is just local poop. there's 5.0.27 on another nameless distro running on the other places. (I didnt pick distro, so don't bite me) |
| 00:09.28 | puff | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 80 Dec 30 18:18 spamassassin_cleanupvirusmails.sh |
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| 00:09.38 | abrotman | puff: can't have a "." |
| 00:09.49 | puff | Wha? |
| 00:09.57 | puff | Okay. That seems like an odd limitation, tho. |
| 00:09.57 | abrotman | bc: i'm just telling you that the box must be unhappy .. but it's yours .. enjoy! |
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| 00:10.14 | simonrvn | puff: blame run-parts |
| 00:10.19 | abrotman | puff: man run-parts .. it explains it |
| 00:10.27 | abrotman | there are a few other characters that don't work either |
| 00:10.39 | Supaplex | no wonder this video card sucks. ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X time to replace it with the other nvidia 256mb one (until I upgrade this server to pci-e and ddr2 or better) |
| 00:10.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:11.00 | dvs | a server? who cares! |
| 00:11.03 | pipeline | rage pro is pretty solid 2d with a free driver |
| 00:11.15 | simonrvn | server with fancy video? o_O |
| 00:11.18 | puff | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 00:11.24 | Supaplex | if you call flwm fancy, then yes |
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| 00:11.31 | dvs | renders Shrek on his server |
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| 00:11.59 | simonrvn | dvs: and you need video for that? |
| 00:12.06 | dvs | simonrvn: jk |
| 00:12.27 | simonrvn | i was wondering ;) |
| 00:12.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: what if he has to debug it?! |
| 00:12.58 | simonrvn | debug what? |
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| 00:13.27 | abrotman | the output! |
| 00:13.39 | dvs | Segmentation fault. core dumped. |
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| 00:14.06 | simonrvn | abrotman: o_O |
| 00:14.13 | abrotman | ()() |
| 00:14.32 | abrotman | (*)(.) ... damn lazy eye |
| 00:14.34 | abrotman | hides |
| 00:15.05 | simonrvn | i used to have a lazy eye, as a baby, cross-eyed even |
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| 00:15.41 | garotosopa | How does the host work on sudoers? It means the host from which the user is connected? |
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| 00:15.52 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:15.53 | Supaplex | garotosopa: from the box it runs off of |
| 00:15.59 | Supaplex | it=sudo |
| 00:16.02 | simonrvn | man sudoers |
| 00:16.20 | Supaplex | man oh man oh man *sigh* ;) |
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| 00:16.26 | simonrvn | Supaplex: you sure about that? |
| 00:16.49 | Supaplex | not completely, now that you question it. :P |
| 00:17.02 | garotosopa | I'm on the manual but still can't be sure. "would allow the user ray to run ... as root on the machine rushmore" referencing ray rushmore = ... |
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| 00:17.20 | simonrvn | yeh you're right |
| 00:17.35 | garotosopa | does it mean connected to this host from rushmore? |
| 00:17.38 | Supaplex | \o/ |
| 00:17.50 | Supaplex | no |
| 00:18.02 | simonrvn | "If you do not specify a netmask along with the network number, sudo will query each of the local hostâs network interfaces and, if the network number corresponds to one of the hostsâs network interfaces, the corresponding netmask will be used." |
| 00:18.08 | Supaplex | it means running sudo *on* rushmore |
| 00:18.32 | Supaplex | humm (reading man sudo again) |
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| 00:18.53 | garotosopa | I just can't see how my sudoers could affect rushmore |
| 00:19.25 | garotosopa | still can't find it clear saying it means "connected here from rushmore" |
| 00:19.49 | Supaplex | afaik the point is to use the same config on all your machines |
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| 00:20.16 | simonrvn | also this is the point of sudo-ldap... |
| 00:21.11 | wfq | uff, dpkg shows acpi like the evil :) |
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| 00:21.27 | Supaplex | kind of like cfengine w/o using cfengine :) |
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| 00:22.23 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 00:23.02 | Supaplex | humm. so much for my notes on reprepro.. wth |
| 00:23.27 | stew | i need to figure out wth cfengine is all about |
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| 00:23.42 | Supaplex | look what I started :P |
| 00:23.44 | stew | and get over the fact that it always reminds me of coldfusion |
| 00:23.51 | Supaplex | yes, ditto |
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| 00:25.55 | Supaplex | I'm sure http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/my-lolcats-0004.png can take care of it. ;) |
| 00:26.01 | petemc | i still have a client that demands to use coldfusion |
| 00:26.06 | simonrvn | ok. have a smoke; convert some wiki articles; ? |
| 00:26.08 | petemc | for fusetalk |
| 00:26.33 | simonrvn | takes a break |
| 00:26.40 | wfq | what message should I send to dpkg to in order to shows me information about how to install an indication of my battery-time? |
| 00:27.17 | Supaplex | wfq: try listkeys battery or listvals battery for factoids/contents having battery in them. |
| 00:28.52 | ir8 | well guys thanks for the help i will get this working and publish docs on it |
| 00:28.59 | ir8 | thanks for all your time! |
| 00:29.01 | ir8 | cneers! |
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| 00:30.21 | jason-- | Is there a way to rename screen sessions to be something other than in the format of [pid.]tty.host? |
| 00:30.48 | Supaplex | jason--: start screen with -S iirc |
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| 00:32.32 | jason-- | thanks |
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| 00:33.01 | simonrvn | screen -mS somename -U -c someconfigfile |
| 00:33.09 | simonrvn | -U for utf-8 |
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| 00:33.49 | Supaplex | <3'ed fixing #466072 |
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| 00:36.38 | simonrvn | aptitude (experimental) Implement a "build-dep" command to install build dependencies of one |
| 00:36.49 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 00:37.43 | Supaplex | wahou, I found my old makefile wrt reprepro \o/ |
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| 00:39.12 | simonrvn | mm? makefile? |
| 00:39.26 | Supaplex | find incoming/ -type f -name \*.deb -print0 |\ |
| 00:39.28 | Supaplex | xargs --max-args=1 --max-procs=1 -0 reprepro -Vb . includedeb etch |
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| 00:39.54 | simonrvn | schweet |
| 00:39.58 | Supaplex | aka. make import (pull all deps in import, and shove them in the repo) |
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| 00:40.04 | Supaplex | s/deps/debs/ |
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| 00:42.32 | Smerdykov | I recently installed Debian and I got the ALSA drivers to output the sound to the laptop speakers, but I can't get sound to come from the headphone port |
| 00:42.37 | Smerdykov | does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 00:43.01 | petemc | Smerdykov: checked the volume? |
| 00:43.10 | Smerdykov | in the mixer, I can only see PCM and Master |
| 00:43.24 | petemc | Smerdykov: which mixer are you using? |
| 00:43.33 | Smerdykov | Alsamixer |
| 00:43.39 | Smerdykov | but I've tried kmixer as well |
| 00:43.46 | Smerdykov | I can only ever see the two sliders |
| 00:44.08 | simonrvn | hit f5, see more? |
| 00:44.28 | Smerdykov | nope |
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| 00:48.58 | Smerdykov | none of the mixers I've used show any other channels |
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| 00:54.15 | enouf | petemc: hi; yours also grabs "rc" and other 'status' pkgs, here's what i use; $ dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep installed | sort -rg | |
| 00:54.32 | enouf | bah, add less on the end ;-) |
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| 00:54.47 | petemc | i dont have many rc packages |
| 00:54.57 | petemc | but good job! cheers |
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| 00:57.22 | enouf | petemc: np, still sorting it all out (i had that from a while ago). with yours piped into wc -l , i get 1578, with mine 1321, so not sure what all those others are, just chose the big openoffice-bin that popped out at me (to run dpkg -l againast) ;-) |
| 00:57.27 | FelipeSouza | I'm doing a framebuffer application, but the cursor blinking at the terminal is drawing over my application, how to deactivate the cursor? How to know when the user changes the tty, so i can stop drawing (or refresh screen)? Links? Thanks in advance |
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| 00:59.44 | Supaplex | what's the makefile way to assign a ENV value the output of a shell command? |
| 00:59.50 | abrotman | why would you let them change the vt ? |
| 01:00.00 | petemc | FelipeSouza: i thought that was controlled by the terminal, i guess thats not useful to you tho |
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| 01:02.50 | enouf | Supaplex: #gnu or #gcc ? |
| 01:03.42 | anaoum | how long should a kernel compile take on a quad 3.0 ghz cpu |
| 01:04.27 | petemc | anaoum: if you didnt use -j N, it will only use 1 cpu |
| 01:05.09 | anaoum | damn lol |
| 01:05.15 | anaoum | ok, how long with one cpu |
| 01:05.15 | amphi | anaoum: takes ~9 minutes here on a 1.8GHz low voltage core 2 duo, for comparison, with -j4 |
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| 01:05.32 | anaoum | its only been running 5 mins |
| 01:05.38 | anaoum | so i reckon 10 more |
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| 01:06.40 | abrotman | anaoum: that's why -j is useful :) |
| 01:08.00 | anaoum | next time :D |
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| 01:12.13 | BeastOfSoda | hi |
| 01:12.14 | x03 | wooops |
| 01:13.17 | clif4d | Hi, how can I get dpkg/aptitude to start updating config files for a package that I previously have chosen not to install a maintainers config file for? |
| 01:13.45 | BeastOfSoda | excuse me, i have a problem: i need utf-16 support under debian lenny in order to see asian charsets, but it's not present via dpkg-reconfigure locales. how should i get it installed? |
| 01:15.19 | BeastOfSoda | anyone knows? :) |
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| 01:15.42 | Kisom | Hi, I'm having a problem with deluser on my Debian box. For some reason, when I use deluser it will try to delete my root account regardless of what I want it to delete. Here's my SSH log: http://pastebin.com/d60e1506d |
| 01:15.52 | nse | BeastOfSoda: I am expecting somebody to answer you because this would be a good thing for me too. |
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| 01:17.12 | BeastOfSoda | yeah, i have a lot of files with japanese and korean characters in them that i can't access due to utf-16 constraints |
| 01:18.36 | abrotman | Kisom: see the huge error ? |
| 01:19.02 | Kisom | abrotman: Yes, but I've never touched the deluser script file, and it was working fine a while ago. |
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| 01:19.13 | abrotman | Kisom: which version of debian ? |
| 01:19.39 | Kisom | abrotman: Unstable |
| 01:20.23 | abrotman | Kisom: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=adduser;dist=unstable |
| 01:20.30 | abrotman | Kisom: always check the BTS |
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| 01:21.03 | Kisom | abrotman: Okay, so I guess this will fix itself in a while then? |
| 01:21.13 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 01:22.58 | anaoum | ok, so i got my kernel compiled, but when i try boot it gets stuck on "Waiting for root file system" |
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| 01:23.42 | abrotman | anaoum: BZZT .. try again |
| 01:24.21 | anaoum | i think its something to do with this http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11653 |
| 01:24.36 | Supaplex | enouf: heh I remembered $(shell ...) w/o having to ask. thanks :) |
| 01:24.37 | orudie | after doing chmod u=rw,go= /home/orudie it restricts me for accessing this directory, which is my home directory even though orudie is the owner |
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| 01:25.00 | BeastOfSoda | sorry for asking again: how do i get UTF-16 support under lenny? |
| 01:26.22 | abrotman | orudie: you kind of need the x |
| 01:26.53 | anaoum | arghh, i cant even boot to my old kernel |
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| 01:27.23 | Supaplex | what if we don't know, BeastOfSoda? the bot has no keys/vals for utf16, utf 16 or utf-16. |
| 01:28.12 | orudie | abrotman: ? |
| 01:28.34 | abrotman | you don't have 'x' perms |
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| 01:30.11 | BeastOfSoda | yeah, but i doubt the bot has info on every possible topic :P at any rate, all i need is to see japanese characters in filenames, maybe that's something more familiar to anyone? |
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| 01:31.13 | orudie | abrotman: thanx that helped |
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| 01:31.40 | orudie | abrotman: however, the files are not colored ... :( |
| 01:31.51 | abrotman | ls --color |
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| 01:32.24 | orudie | hmm |
| 01:32.30 | orudie | i didnt have to do that before :( |
| 01:32.54 | abrotman | yeah .. you probably messed up all kinds of stuff by mucking with permissions |
| 01:33.05 | petemc | BeastOfSoda: use utf8 |
| 01:33.09 | wakrelmix | hi all, what is the command line tool that replaces cdrecord? |
| 01:33.21 | abrotman | like your .bashrc not being +x anymore |
| 01:33.22 | petemc | wodim? |
| 01:33.38 | wakrelmix | petemc: that's it, thanks, couldn't remember |
| 01:34.20 | petemc | BeastOfSoda: oh, i see your question, sorry |
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| 01:34.58 | orudie | abrotman: so how can i undo this |
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| 01:35.11 | orudie | abrotman: i dont get it, i only set permissions for 1 folder |
| 01:35.17 | BeastOfSoda | petemc: yeah. can't even convert them, since copying them over from another drive will discard the offended characters |
| 01:35.26 | abrotman | orudie: try logging in again .. see if it fixes it ? |
| 01:35.36 | orudie | now the other user's permissions are messed up for the dirctoris that i didnt even touch |
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| 01:36.05 | abrotman | orudie: what's the moral of the story? |
| 01:36.25 | orudie | abrotman: you tell me |
| 01:36.38 | abrotman | !unix lessons |
| 01:36.38 | dpkg | from memory, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 01:36.42 | abrotman | see #1? :) |
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| 01:37.50 | orudie | abrotman: i hear this for the first time, so home come the chmod tutorial didnt have this #1 ? |
| 01:38.10 | orudie | abrotman: its like someone comes up with it, and then says dont fuck with it |
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| 01:38.21 | abrotman | orudie: because you skipped the "Quick Start Guide" :) |
| 01:38.28 | amphi | heh |
| 01:38.47 | abrotman | orudie: in most cases, you don't change them .. unless you really understand the implications, you did not (see #6 above) |
| 01:39.56 | orudie | abrotman: chmod u=rw,go= file read and write is set for the owner, all permissions are cleared for the group and others - to me this is very straight forward, what is there not to understand, or it should have included (dont touch it because it doesnt work right) |
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| 01:40.22 | abrotman | orudie: on which directory? |
| 01:40.49 | orudie | ./home/orudie/ |
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| 01:42.01 | orudie | all i did was chmod u=rw,go= file /home/orudie/ because i thought it would be a good idea to block other users from going there |
| 01:42.09 | orudie | oops |
| 01:42.20 | orudie | chmod u=rw,go= /home/orudie/ |
| 01:42.26 | orudie | thats what i did |
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| 01:44.07 | orudie | now my database user lost its permissions to a completely different directory |
| 01:44.29 | abrotman | orudie: your user needs +x on that dir |
| 01:44.52 | orudie | abrotman: let me show you something, maybe you are gonna know |
| 01:45.00 | abrotman | no way! |
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| 01:45.19 | orudie | abrotman: http://www.selsovet.com/hlstatsx/hlstats.php |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | it's borken |
| 01:45.32 | orudie | abrotman: this was working fine before i did that |
| 01:45.38 | abrotman | i bet it was |
| 01:45.47 | orudie | abrotman: lol, come on..... |
| 01:46.18 | abrotman | orudie: you took away the permissions for the webserver to read that file |
| 01:46.26 | orudie | ooooh |
| 01:46.27 | orudie | i know why |
| 01:46.32 | abrotman | make sense ? |
| 01:46.35 | orudie | yeah i just saw it |
| 01:46.36 | orudie | yup |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 01:46.37 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 01:46.56 | abrotman | orudie: now what have we learned? :) |
| 01:47.18 | orudie | #1 |
| 01:47.19 | orudie | lol |
| 01:47.49 | orudie | now but i'm pretty sure i can make hlstats the owner of /home/orudie and its gonna work |
| 01:47.53 | orudie | lemmi try that |
| 01:49.18 | abrotman | uhm .. i don't think you want to do that |
| 01:49.38 | orudie | damn, those colors where the only gui that i had in this thing |
| 01:49.47 | orudie | now even those are gone :( |
| 01:49.58 | orudie | now everything is black and white |
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| 01:51.09 | orudie | abrotman: so what do you think i should do, should i somehow undo chmod u=rwx,go= /home/orudie/ ? |
| 01:51.23 | abrotman | orudie: i'm not sure why you're trying to change that file |
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| 01:51.58 | orudie | abrotman: i think it doesnt matter anymore, i just want it back the way it was |
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| 01:52.21 | orudie | abrotman: so if you know how, could you please tell me how i can undo this chmod u=rxw,go= file ? |
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| 01:52.38 | abrotman | orudie: chmod 755 /home/orudie/ |
| 01:53.28 | orudie | abrotman: now look at that beauty ! http://www.selsovet.com/hlstatsx/hlstats.php |
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| 01:53.56 | abrotman | orudie: no one is playing? |
| 01:54.07 | orudie | abrotman: the server is off now |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:54.16 | orudie | abrotman: cause of these permissions |
| 01:54.42 | orudie | abrotman: why, you think you can help me setting the server up ? i'll give you admin if you do |
| 01:54.57 | abrotman | uh .. no thanks .. i've got one job already |
| 01:55.10 | abrotman | orudie: and you sohuldn't offer 'admin' to people on IRC |
| 01:55.38 | orudie | abrotman: its a game admin, nothing serious |
| 01:56.08 | orudie | abrotman: only have control through the game's interface, thats about it |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | no thanks |
| 01:57.31 | GhostlyDeath | How do i connect to the internet using a terminal? |
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| 01:57.42 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: you mean a web browser ? |
| 01:57.46 | GhostlyDeath | No |
| 01:57.54 | GhostlyDeath | Connect to the LAN |
| 01:57.55 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 01:57.55 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 01:58.11 | WormFood | GhostlyDeath, connect your terminal to a modem, then dial into a machine that allows you remote access (not slip or ppp) |
| 01:58.15 | GhostlyDeath | Upgraded my packages and now DHCP does not work |
| 01:58.45 | GhostlyDeath | nm-applet reports no interfaces but ifconfig lists them |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: man 5 interfaces .. fix it manually |
| 01:59.02 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: ifconfig -a .. do you see your card? |
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| 02:00.32 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: They are all there |
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| 02:00.43 | abrotman | so configure them |
| 02:00.53 | GhostlyDeath | using what? |
| 02:01.35 | GhostlyDeath | probably would be easier wiping the hard drive and reinstalling |
| 02:01.44 | GhostlyDeath | the entire OS |
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| 02:02.51 | abrotman | using VI |
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| 02:04.53 | GhostlyDeath | The interfaces file had eth1 as the primary interface but there's only eth2 (wireless) and eth3 (LAN) |
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| 02:05.39 | cafuego | You need to have a quiet word with the udev persistent net rules file. |
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| 02:06.30 | GhostlyDeath | ok, now eth2 is up but isn't connected to any wireless network |
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| 02:07.03 | GhostlyDeath | now it's down |
| 02:07.22 | GhostlyDeath | in fact, it's going up then down |
| 02:07.59 | GhostlyDeath | Network Settings is just a gray box |
| 02:08.07 | damaltor | hi everybody. i have the following problem: i did set up a debian based server with php, mysql, ftp and stuff. everything works good, but i have the following problem: if i upload files via ftp, a php application cannot change the rights (chmod) so if i want to install a CMS like contrexx, i do have to chmod all files and folders by hand to the right values wich is getting on my nerves, is there a possibility to change that so php files ca |
| 02:08.07 | damaltor | n chmod other files? |
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| 02:10.14 | GhostlyDeath | I can't reinstall any packges at all |
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| 02:11.14 | anaoum | you know how when u do a netinstall of eth, it asks u to select various groups eg Desktop Environment, dns server, laptop etc |
| 02:11.24 | anaoum | can i install those after the install? |
| 02:11.26 | damaltor | yep |
| 02:11.28 | damaltor | yep |
| 02:11.40 | damaltor | they mean the following |
| 02:11.44 | damaltor | web server -> apache |
| 02:11.53 | damaltor | desktop env -> X and gnome |
| 02:12.03 | abrotman | anaoum: run 'tasksel' |
| 02:12.11 | GhostlyDeath | How can I get KDE to connect to to my wireless network since GNOME wants to be broken right now |
| 02:12.12 | damaltor | yes exactly |
| 02:12.13 | anaoum | thanks abrotman |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: configure it manaully |
| 02:12.40 | GhostlyDeath | how? |
| 02:12.50 | GhostlyDeath | I edited the configuration and nothing happende |
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| 02:14.23 | abrotman | did you restart the networking? |
| 02:14.33 | sgmadison | if i'm installing debian on a machine with 8gb of ram do I need to reconfigure the kernel with high memory support? |
| 02:14.49 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: I restarted the computer |
| 02:14.52 | enouf | sgmadison: only if using 32bit |
| 02:15.03 | abrotman | sgmadison: there is a -bigmem kernel for 32bit |
| 02:15.07 | enouf | sgmadison: and if so, yes, you need the -bigmem kernel |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: you're going to have to give us more details .. like errors etc |
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| 02:15.52 | sgmadison | i'd be willing to bet without looking up that intels quadcores can do 64bit |
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| 02:16.23 | cafuego | you can't buy CPUs that can't |
| 02:16.29 | cafuego | Not without trying really hard |
| 02:16.31 | sgmadison | hehe |
| 02:16.39 | cafuego | and not at your local shop |
| 02:16.41 | sgmadison | i have 6 new Q6600's, i think i'm safe |
| 02:16.51 | enouf | so; can someone explain to me what output from strace like; read(3, "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 98304) = 98304 means? i've read man strace (only info i can find locally installed about strace), Basically what's with all the \s and 0s ? |
| 02:17.29 | cafuego | enouf: that's a read() call of file descriptor 3 reading 98304 bytes of nothing :-) |
| 02:17.53 | enouf | whoa, hehe ;-) |
| 02:17.54 | cafuego | 98304 bytes of the \0 character |
| 02:18.21 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: There's soemthing wrong with GNOME's Network Manager, KDE works fine |
| 02:18.35 | abrotman | dude .. no one cares about network manager .. CONFIGURE IT MANUALLY |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | stop clicking |
| 02:19.09 | enouf | crap .. and thanks cafuego .. does every \0 mean a certan amount of bytes? such like 512 maybe? |
| 02:20.06 | enouf | cafuego: ok, here's a better ex; read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p\3\0\000"..., 512) = 512 |
| 02:20.26 | lymeca | Is there a way to take a stock Debian kernel package and purge the proprietary firmware blobs from it and use the rest of it? |
| 02:20.33 | abrotman | enouf: it's an ELF with an ugly tail! |
| 02:21.13 | enouf | should i hit man 2 read ? |
| 02:21.18 | cafuego | enouf: Reading 512 bytes of a binary? |
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| 02:21.28 | geible | hi,dpkg |
| 02:21.29 | enouf | abrotman: yeah, gonna chop that off :-p |
| 02:21.43 | sgmadison | so i just need to replace my CD with the AMD64 iso, and I don't need to worry about the -bigmem kernel? |
| 02:21.50 | cafuego | sgmadison: well |
| 02:21.59 | cafuego | sgmadison: Will this install be a desktop or server? |
| 02:22.11 | enouf | cafuego: yep, an ELF, the line directly it above is; open("/usr/lib/gconv/ISO8859-1.so", O_RDONLY) = 3 |
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| 02:22.16 | sgmadison | it's a desktop that's going to be playing server for a while |
| 02:22.21 | cafuego | Ok. |
| 02:22.49 | cafuego | then yes, amd64 is the way to go ... just keep in mind you'll have some issues with java applets on websites, if you're into that sort of thing |
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| 02:23.04 | sgmadison | would your answer be different for a server? |
| 02:23.21 | damaltor | hi everybody. i have the following problem: i did set up a debian based server with php, mysql, ftp and stuff. everything works good, but i have the following problem: if i upload files via ftp, a php application cannot change the rights (chmod) so if i want to install a CMS like contrexx, i do have to chmod all files and folders by hand to the right values wich is getting on my nerves, is there a possibility to change that so php files ca |
| 02:23.21 | damaltor | n chmod other files? |
| 02:23.26 | cafuego | enouf: and open() has a filename as param and returns the file descriptor. |
| 02:23.42 | cafuego | enouf: .. the same file descriptor that read() then reads from eh :-) |
| 02:23.51 | Superbartt | damaltor give ownership to webserver user |
| 02:24.00 | Superbartt | but that's not wise, so just chmod it by hand! |
| 02:24.26 | enouf | cafuego: i'm trying to figure out how to decipher what's there .. ok, thank you, i will have to dig into those other man pages |
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| 02:24.29 | cafuego | damaltor: note the -R option to chmod and chown. You don't have to do all files one by one. |
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| 02:24.56 | damaltor | Superbartt: ..nice idea o0 |
| 02:25.18 | damaltor | cafuego: true, but if i chmod folders to 666 they are useless until i put them back to 666 again |
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| 02:25.48 | Superbartt | if you have a big list of paths / files that need to get a certain chmod you could also make a small script to fix it :p |
| 02:26.08 | intx | anyone here know how to reverse compile a linux binary? :p |
| 02:26.09 | enouf | sgmadison: with amd64 (full 64bit OS install) somethings like say FlashCrap Poop will either need a chroot setup, or say nspluginwrapper, or whatever |
| 02:26.19 | abrotman | intx: those are called decompilers |
| 02:26.23 | damaltor | Superbartt: thing is, i have some clients on my server, they want to install CMSs too. so, i cannot give them my root password so they can give the files to the webserver-user... |
| 02:26.30 | intx | I have a fake 'ssh2' binary, wondering what it did/does |
| 02:26.37 | damaltor | Superbartt: i think ill try that script thing... |
| 02:26.51 | Varanger | Hello... I have installed Debian etch and I can't make boot into my system because I am getting: this message: "Begin: Waiting for root file... ..." |
| 02:27.02 | Varanger | What can it be? |
| 02:27.12 | sgmadison | oh i'm not worried about that, the only thing that's really going to be installed is a mysql server |
| 02:27.21 | damaltor | Varanger: enables network boot? |
| 02:27.21 | Superbartt | well damaltor, letting your webserver be able to chmod files just is a _BAD_ idea... so doing it by hand or writing a script to do it is the best case |
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| 02:27.45 | damaltor | Superbartt: yeah true though... but how can i ease that up for my clients? |
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| 02:28.11 | Varanger | damaltor: I think the problem is because the hard drive is a SATA one. |
| 02:28.20 | yum_ | hi, i am trying to do debian netinst on a thinkpad x40, but it's freezing at the network configuration part of the installer. i'm suspecting it's the ipw2100 wireless drivers, because I know that's been an issue with newer kernels. any ideas about what i can do? |
| 02:28.26 | Varanger | damalator: I am not network booting |
| 02:28.40 | yum_ | im doing expert mode and it freezes as soon as i press "configure the network" and i can't get to another console to see what the error is |
| 02:28.57 | Superbartt | damaltor get a control panel like cpanel or something which has things to easily install cms'es etc... otherwise it is just a little work that needs to be done to setup an cms :) |
| 02:29.00 | damaltor | Varanger: i dint know... i am using satas myself, no problems |
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| 02:29.14 | damaltor | Superbartt: i have ISPconfig up and running... |
| 02:29.40 | Superbartt | most free cp's don't have those features |
| 02:30.08 | Varanger | damaltor: With etch?? |
| 02:30.14 | damaltor | yes |
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| 02:30.54 | damaltor | Superbartt: well, ill see if i change it. maybe i will make a script for it, ought to be an idea. |
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| 02:31.35 | Superbartt | if there's a list available like: path chmod \newline it's not at all hard to make something for it:) |
| 02:31.57 | damaltor | true :D |
| 02:32.50 | damaltor | Superbartt: doing it with -R is fine, but i need different ones for folders and files |
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| 02:33.26 | Superbartt | what cms do you want to install actually? |
| 02:33.52 | damaltor | contrexx, but i had same problems with all others too. |
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| 02:34.29 | Superbartt | aha, well most php cms'es require a complete weird chmod "structure" |
| 02:34.36 | damaltor | yes |
| 02:34.41 | damaltor | that is the problem |
| 02:34.46 | damaltor | doing this by hand is awful |
| 02:35.03 | Superbartt | I personally intend to put everything that shouldn't be read only into 1 dir which can be recursivly chmodded easily ^^ But most web developers don't share that oppinion |
| 02:35.21 | damaltor | i would do so too, but... |
| 02:35.21 | enouf | yum_: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 02:35.23 | damaltor | well |
| 02:35.25 | damaltor | any idea? |
| 02:35.29 | dondelelcaro | damaltor: so use find+xargs+chmod |
| 02:35.41 | enouf | yum_: basically start at thinkwiki.org i guess |
| 02:36.02 | enouf | yum_: also see wiki.debian.org a |
| 02:36.03 | dondelelcaro | (you probably shouldn't normally be using recursive chmod anyway) |
| 02:36.55 | damaltor | dondelelcaro: well, as long as the files owner is not the web server user, i have to chmos dirs to 777 and files to 666 anyway. is there an easy way to automatically sort files from flders? |
| 02:36.56 | enouf | doesn't using alphabet notation allow for more selective chmod perms and such? (as oppposed to numerics) |
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| 02:37.44 | beardy | No? |
| 02:37.51 | Superbartt | no as far as i know numeric covers all possibility's enouf |
| 02:38.12 | enouf | yum_: and not sure how this will help during the install, but /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 02:38.45 | enouf | Superbartt: i'm going to withdraw my argument until i can prove it ;-) |
| 02:38.55 | Superbartt | :D |
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| 02:40.08 | Superbartt | http://www.internet-guide.co.uk/chmod.html ^^ |
| 02:40.42 | enouf | Superbartt: also, i forgot to mention/append , "when done recursively" |
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| 02:41.24 | Superbartt | aha :p |
| 02:41.37 | damaltor | hmm |
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| 02:41.55 | t04no | how come dpkg-query shows packages i uninstalled long ago ? |
| 02:42.01 | enouf | but sigh, i'm still trying to figure out what \0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p\3\0\000"..., 512) = 512 is telling me :-P |
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| 02:42.09 | abrotman | t04no: what's the status it shows? |
| 02:42.14 | enouf | t04no: you're not grepping a certain status |
| 02:42.39 | enouf | t04no: do you want to see installed only? |
| 02:42.53 | abrotman | t04no: chances are .. you've got some that are rc or un |
| 02:43.05 | enouf | or pn or whatver |
| 02:43.08 | damaltor | n8 everybody |
| 02:43.13 | dondelelcaro | damaltor: uh... 666 and 777 are almost *never* appropriate modes for files or directories. |
| 02:43.14 | Superbartt | nn |
| 02:43.22 | damaltor | dondelelcaro: yes, true |
| 02:43.39 | damaltor | but what can i do instead if the webserver ought to be able to manipulate them? |
| 02:43.49 | dondelelcaro | damaltor: if they need to be writeable by www-data, they should be chgrp to a group which www-data is part of, or similar. |
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| 02:44.01 | dondelelcaro | (or if www-data is the only thing that should write to them, www-data should own them) |
| 02:44.35 | enouf | and/or users needing access added to that new group |
| 02:44.38 | damaltor | yes, but as said, my clients ought to be able to install their CMS by themselves... so i cannot let them mess around with groups and owners |
| 02:45.15 | dondelelcaro | damaltor: you most likely should have those CMS run as the user who owns them, then. |
| 02:45.34 | damaltor | -> let apache rus as an appropriate user |
| 02:45.37 | damaltor | *run |
| 02:45.52 | dondelelcaro | damaltor: otherwise the way you currently have it, anyone can write to anyone else's CMS files, which is not good. |
| 02:46.02 | damaltor | yes thats true |
| 02:46.08 | Maliuta | damaltor: that is what mod_suexec is for |
| 02:46.10 | damaltor | i know its bad |
| 02:46.26 | dondelelcaro | damaltor: usually you do this sort of thing for php using fastcgi+suexec or similar. |
| 02:46.31 | damaltor | what is mod_suexec? what dows it can? |
| 02:46.48 | damaltor | well, i know what it is, but what can it do? |
| 02:46.50 | dondelelcaro | damaltor: it allows you to run scripts as a specific user. |
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| 02:46.57 | Maliuta | points damaltor at http://httpd.apache.org/ |
| 02:47.03 | damaltor | with the password of that given user? |
| 02:47.04 | dondelelcaro | damaltor: so instead of running as www-data, everything will be run as foouser. |
| 02:47.15 | Akuw | how can open .texi files? |
| 02:47.18 | dondelelcaro | damaltor: doesn't have anything to do with passwords. |
| 02:47.27 | dondelelcaro | Akuw: that's a texinfo file; you can open it with any editor. |
| 02:47.41 | t04no | abrotman: status is "deinstall ok config-files" |
| 02:47.46 | damaltor | well, so if i load the mod_suexec in apache, php can... ? |
| 02:48.00 | damaltor | write files of a specific user? |
| 02:48.01 | dondelelcaro | damaltor: you'll then run php as a cgi, with different users for each site. |
| 02:48.01 | Superbartt | damaltor it runs script for a certain vhost under the defined user |
| 02:48.05 | abrotman | t04no: right .. so the config files remain |
| 02:48.10 | Superbartt | so domain1 for user foo and domain2 for user bar |
| 02:48.12 | damaltor | aah |
| 02:48.13 | damaltor | ok |
| 02:48.19 | damaltor | k |
| 02:48.25 | enouf | t04no: that's likely the equiv of an "rc" if you do a dpkg -l <pkgname> |
| 02:48.44 | damaltor | thanks everyone, ill try that tomorrow while it is quarter to 4 here.. in the morning |
| 02:48.51 | Superbartt | but well read the docs and best practices for using it, because it could destroy your performance :P |
| 02:48.53 | enouf | t04no: meaning Removed + Config-Files still exist |
| 02:49.09 | enouf | t04no: look at the header when you do dpkg -l pkgnmae |
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| 02:50.32 | cafuego | damaltor: The CMS would probably need write access to one single file or directory, not lots. |
| 02:51.39 | t04no | abrotman,enouf: ah, this explains why some other packages occur in dpkg-query i surely did remove. thx. |
| 02:52.05 | lymeca | How do you tell what the currently configured gateway for a particular ethernet adapter is>? |
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| 02:52.20 | cafuego | wheee 8 minutes to go |
| 02:52.42 | Superbartt | lymeca the route command |
| 02:53.00 | enouf | does arp help there? |
| 02:53.04 | enouf | maybe not |
| 02:53.13 | cafuego | ip route show |
| 02:53.24 | abrotman | cafuego: til what? |
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| 02:53.33 | cafuego | abrotman: mythtv boots |
| 02:53.33 | enouf | iproute2 pkg, iirc |
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| 02:54.25 | abrotman | cafuego: it takes eight minutes? |
| 02:54.35 | Varanger | Hello... I have installed Debian etch and I can't make boot into my system because I am getting: this message: "Begin: Waiting for root file... ..." |
| 02:54.38 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:54.54 | Varanger | any idea? |
| 02:54.57 | cafuego | abrotman: Not, 6. It's configured to boot at 2pm. |
| 02:55.15 | abrotman | cafuego: why? |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | cafuego: is this how you curb your tv watching? |
| 02:55.28 | enouf | Varanger: how did you install? and onto what? |
| 02:55.36 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: or he wants to record something |
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| 02:55.49 | cafuego | abrotman: Not so much that as that there is no loint having it running if there's nothing worth watching on tv |
| 02:55.57 | enouf | Varanger: that error usually means no support for your Disk Controller, or your / FS |
| 02:55.57 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 02:56.00 | cafuego | point |
| 02:56.32 | cafuego | ahs no satellite or cable, so only a few channels and most of those only show commercial shite, gameshows and crap news |
| 02:56.49 | enouf | ouch (recalls those times) |
| 02:56.53 | abrotman | big money no whammie! |
| 02:56.59 | pickcoder | cafuego: no DTV in the area? |
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| 02:57.10 | cafuego | used to have cable, but that only showed commercial shite, gameshows and crap news as well |
| 02:57.21 | enouf | hehe, yep |
| 02:57.34 | enouf | (most of it) |
| 02:57.36 | cafuego | pickcoder: I could get a dish on the roof but there's no value in that |
| 02:57.42 | pickcoder | not dish.. DTV |
| 02:57.48 | pickcoder | the big swithc |
| 02:57.49 | cafuego | better off spending $80 a month on torrents ;-) |
| 02:57.50 | pickcoder | switch |
| 02:58.07 | cafuego | pickcoder: Been using DVB-T for years |
| 02:58.08 | pickcoder | you should be able to get a few digital channels on-air |
| 02:58.15 | cafuego | pickcoder: There is *zero* analog reception here |
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| 02:58.26 | enouf | he's in a bunker |
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| 02:58.36 | cafuego | north melbourne, close enough |
| 02:58.42 | enouf | ;-) |
| 02:59.02 | pickcoder | ships cafuego a 200ft aerial |
| 02:59.02 | cafuego | here is one transmitter and that's exacly behind all those concrete and steel towers there |
| 02:59.17 | cafuego | pickcoder: try 600ft |
| 02:59.36 | pickcoder | can't do that. won't fit in the UPS truck |
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| 02:59.51 | abrotman | have the UPS plane airdrop |
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| 03:00.45 | pickcoder | you must be kidding.. they don't deliver packages without damage on the ground.. |
| 03:01.29 | pickcoder | they'd drop it without a parachute and my damage claim would be rejected: "insufficient packaging" |
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| 03:03.38 | t04no | a bit OT : anyone knows a good program on linux to grab and visualize market data from yahoo finance and other sources ? |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | t04no: it's all downhill lately :) |
| 03:04.08 | dondelelcaro | t04no: stockchart.com iirc has some web-based stuff |
| 03:04.11 | pickcoder | except for the gas market |
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| 03:04.24 | dondelelcaro | t04no: but otherwise there are some R and perl modules that can do it; really depends what you're doing, though. |
| 03:04.46 | ApOgEE- | i got trouble using wget... it says, ERROR: Certificate verification error for wiki.ubuntu.com: can anyone help me? |
| 03:05.01 | cafuego | You're on the wroing channel? ;-) |
| 03:05.35 | ApOgEE- | any wget masta here? |
| 03:05.35 | cafuego | otherwise, wget --help | grep certificate |
| 03:05.46 | cafuego | See the first line? |
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| 03:07.21 | alexbodn | hi friends. |
| 03:08.41 | alexbodn | i wish to file a wishlist level bug on /sbin/init, which is found in no package (by the search). how can i point such bug to a package? |
| 03:09.40 | cafuego | alexbodn: sysvinit? |
| 03:09.53 | cafuego | !find /sbin/init |
| 03:10.17 | alexbodn | cafuego: is that the package? |
| 03:10.19 | ApOgEE- | cafuego, already done that... it returns: ERROR 403: Forbidden. |
| 03:10.34 | kgoetz | alexbodn: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:10.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/sbin/init' (3): (/usr/lib/mindi/rootfs/sbin/init) in utils/mindi ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/sbin/init) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/sbin/init) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
| 03:10.39 | kgoetz | ApOgEE-: ask #ubuntu-doc, not here |
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| 03:10.43 | alexbodn | lenny |
| 03:10.46 | cafuego | ApOgEE-: Well, there you go. Is it password protected or soemthing? |
| 03:11.07 | cafuego | alexbodn: yes |
| 03:11.24 | cafuego | alexbodn: run 'dpkg -S /sbin/init' |
| 03:11.30 | ApOgEE- | kgoetz, ok.. ok.. i thought if there is anyone here is good with wget... thanks |
| 03:11.40 | cafuego | ApOgEE-: it's not a wget problem |
| 03:11.48 | alexbodn | cafuego, kgoetz: thank a lot |
| 03:12.40 | kgoetz | np. |
| 03:12.51 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | abrotman: My interfaces were fine, it was network-manager |
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| 03:13.12 | simonrvn | alexbodn: oh crap, i read your nick as alexboob for some reason :/ |
| 03:13.12 | jaggy- | wow.. sometimes my X just .. crashes.. |
| 03:13.19 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | abrotman: The new libnl1 library does not work for me |
| 03:13.30 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: that's why i don't use that thing |
| 03:13.44 | alexbodn | simonrvn: nope, alexbodn |
| 03:13.50 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I should lock the package... |
| 03:14.58 | alexbodn | bye, friends |
| 03:14.59 | jaggy- | somehow my screen sessions die too.. how in the world would my screen session disappear? |
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| 03:15.23 | kgoetz | jaggy-: because the system reboots? |
| 03:15.27 | jaggy- | X must kill it and all its children! that's terrible |
| 03:15.42 | zinx | simonrvn: readin what you want to see :D |
| 03:15.42 | jaggy- | kgoetz: no.. X crashes and brings me back to the GUI login |
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| 03:16.13 | contrast83 | Greets, everyone... |
| 03:16.41 | contrast83 | Anyone fairly familiar with checkinstall? I'm wondering how safe it'd be to install packages made by it on all of my sid boxes. |
| 03:17.10 | jaggy- | I still like it.. it's not the best usage of a package management system though.. but I figure if you're responsible .... |
| 03:18.50 | contrast83 | jaggy-: That wasn't to me, was it? |
| 03:19.31 | jaggy- | yes |
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| 03:20.40 | jaggy- | it was |
| 03:21.32 | contrast83 | jaggy-: Ah, ok... To elaborate a bit - I'm trying to cut down on HD space on my laptop, so I figured I'd start by clearing out all the -dev packages I installed for compiling stuff, then just compile everything on my desktop and use the resulting checkinstall packages on the lappy. Safe, you think? |
| 03:22.12 | anaoum | lenny ftw |
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| 03:24.18 | clukas | Hello, i have the following problem: On my p3 machine, running lenny (apt-get upgrad'ed yesterday) networking just stops after approx. 40 seconds. Now the weird thing: After i unplug/replug the network cable, the connection works again for those 40 secs, then dead again. /var/log's show nothing. I'm a bit of a newbie and never had that kind of problem before, could someone please point me in the right direction where to start? |
| 03:25.14 | anaoum | `dmesg` |
| 03:26.33 | anaoum | trivia: where did the name "Debian" originate from? |
| 03:26.49 | contrast83 | Debora and Ian, its founders |
| 03:26.53 | abrotman | anaoum: Ian Murdock and his now wife Deb |
| 03:28.02 | anaoum | i cant beleive every time we install a .deb its really short for debra |
| 03:28.04 | anaoum | lo |
| 03:28.05 | anaoum | l |
| 03:28.11 | Supaplex | !lol |
| 03:28.12 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 03:28.20 | abrotman | !meaning of debian |
| 03:28.22 | abrotman | !history |
| 03:28.22 | dpkg | well, history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 03:28.49 | anaoum | dpkg: hah! |
| 03:29.20 | abrotman | anaoum: dpkg is a bot |
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| 03:30.35 | anaoum | dpkg: lol |
| 03:30.35 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 03:30.37 | dob1 | hi, how can i remove all the libs on the output on deborphan ? give the output of that program to apt-get remove |
| 03:31.07 | abrotman | !tell dob1 about deborphan |
| 03:31.12 | clukas | Okay, there is the following message: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed (CSR5 (some hex value) - the NIC is a realtek, though. Is this necessarily a hardware error or could it be just the wrong version? |
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| 03:31.49 | itzkrono | is there anything like ms exchange for debian or any other liux distro |
| 03:32.04 | zinx | clukas: could be shoddy realtek hardware, the driver lacking a workaround, a driver bug, or hardware |
| 03:32.20 | Supaplex | itzkrono: you want something defacto non standards compliant? |
| 03:32.39 | itzkrono | somethign similar |
| 03:32.49 | itzkrono | im looking to share contacts and calendars |
| 03:32.52 | petemc | itzkrono: not really, google for linux groupware |
| 03:33.10 | Supaplex | itzkrono: maybe zimbra - i don't follow that stuff very well. |
| 03:33.16 | petemc | Supaplex: im not sure the standards that exchange in the past ignored were de facto |
| 03:33.33 | petemc | they were ratified |
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| 03:33.39 | clukas | zinx: i'm going to boot into a earlier kernel version and see if the problem persists. |
| 03:33.51 | petemc | exchange is more compliant now |
| 03:34.30 | itzkrono | i know im just looking to share contacts and calendars |
| 03:35.17 | petemc | itzkrono: outlook clients? |
| 03:36.03 | clukas | zinx: indeed, that fixed it - should i report a bug? |
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| 03:36.51 | Riotblade | Hey, i'm running Shorewall 3.2.6 on a remote machine and I'm trying to start the Firewall since check is successful. When I try to start it, I get locked out. Is there a way to make it accept all connections on fail? I'm reading something about a restorefile script but I don't quite understand it. <Also asked in #shorewall but nobody is responding> |
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| 03:38.28 | itzkrono | petemc yes |
| 03:38.30 | itzkrono | y |
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| 03:39.05 | petemc | itzkrono: kolab can do that |
| 03:39.19 | petemc | at least it did, last time i tried it |
| 03:39.36 | itzkrono | kolab open source |
| 03:40.13 | petemc | if thats a question, i think the answer is yes |
| 03:40.18 | itzkrono | really |
| 03:40.24 | itzkrono | does it support mapi |
| 03:40.25 | itzkrono | or no |
| 03:40.54 | petemc | not sure, it seemed overly complex to me |
| 03:41.13 | petemc | i use exchange, its good at what it does |
| 03:42.29 | cafuego | itzkrono: I use Zimbra |
| 03:42.51 | cafuego | Which has an outlook connector, but not in the free version. |
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| 03:45.50 | petemc | there have been lots of attempts at creating exchange replacements, none have come close as yet |
| 03:45.58 | petemc | zimbra does look good, tho |
| 03:46.29 | cafuego | It's a lot less hassle to set up and maintain than the etch-ispmail tutorial setup, especially for local users |
| 03:46.58 | cafuego | Plus, it does calendaring, conatcts *and* maiol folder sharing |
| 03:47.11 | cafuego | Except via non-sucky non-mapi prorocols :-) |
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| 03:49.50 | petemc | cafuego: that makes sense considering a large part of the userbase would e using outlook |
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| 03:56.20 | ReKlipz | hey everyone, how can i get the debian installer to work with the network interface provided by the SB700? |
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| 04:03.44 | ReKlipz | anyone able to provide insight? |
| 04:04.22 | cafuego | has no idea what a SB700 is |
| 04:04.43 | ReKlipz | SB700 is the southbridge of the new AMD 7-Series chipsets |
| 04:04.47 | cafuego | Ah |
| 04:05.11 | cafuego | If it's not detected as network interface, you'll want an installer with a WAY new kernel. |
| 04:05.40 | ReKlipz | hmm |
| 04:05.50 | ReKlipz | well, i downloaded the lastest stable install from debian.org |
| 04:05.54 | ReKlipz | that not late enough? |
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| 04:06.06 | cafuego | I don't think so |
| 04:06.12 | cafuego | that uses 2.6.18 doesn't it? |
| 04:06.15 | jetscreamer | miss me? |
| 04:06.17 | ReKlipz | umm |
| 04:06.21 | ReKlipz | no idea |
| 04:06.39 | kgoetz | cafuego: yes |
| 04:06.45 | jetscreamer | etch installer does if that's what ya'll mean |
| 04:06.45 | cafuego | you'll wanr 2.6.22 or newer, it seems |
| 04:07.05 | jetscreamer | kmuto has such |
| 04:07.24 | cafuego | what does lenny use? |
| 04:07.37 | jetscreamer | .22 |
| 04:07.49 | jetscreamer | i just installed like yesterday or the day before.. day before |
| 04:08.00 | cafuego | ReKlipz: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 04:08.02 | jetscreamer | well the installer does |
| 04:08.29 | ReKlipz | excellent |
| 04:08.50 | ReKlipz | i've got another question |
| 04:08.55 | cafuego | 42 |
| 04:09.08 | ReKlipz | i guess that equates to true... |
| 04:09.14 | jetscreamer | but this isn't r/l is the answer stil l42? |
| 04:09.15 | ReKlipz | so i should run AMD64 for my file server? |
| 04:09.40 | cafuego | ReKlipz: There is no reason not to, that I can think of. |
| 04:09.48 | ReKlipz | I came to the same conclusion |
| 04:09.55 | jetscreamer | well the 'do you really need it' always applies |
| 04:09.57 | cafuego | runs amd64 on his servers (and desktop) |
| 04:10.09 | ReKlipz | jetscreamer: I paid for it |
| 04:10.20 | ReKlipz | why not use it/ |
| 04:10.22 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.22 | cafuego | ReKlipz: How much ram does the box have? |
| 04:10.24 | kgoetz | these days i'd ask 'do you really need 32 bit' rather then 'do you really need 64 bit' |
| 04:10.37 | ReKlipz | cafuego: 2GB DDR2 800 |
| 04:10.57 | cafuego | ok, so the > 3.6GB ram support is not a reason :-) |
| 04:11.06 | jetscreamer | bets me, i'm stil used to seeing the iffy reports on 64bit support... (/me doesn't have 64bit so know nothing) |
| 04:11.09 | jetscreamer | beats |
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| 04:11.38 | kgoetz | i only run 64 bit on some servers, and they work perfectly (admitedly their not all amd64) |
| 04:12.27 | jetscreamer | i'm waiting till i can afford what i want... i've had cheap mb's available but not what i wanted. (i'll be waiting a while probably) |
| 04:12.40 | cafuego | jetscreamer: The only think that won't work here is the java browser plugin |
| 04:12.59 | cafuego | flash is fine via nspluginwrapper and the rest is native |
| 04:13.22 | jetscreamer | 4 proc quad core xeons would be nice |
| 04:13.39 | cafuego | has 4 proc single core xeons... |
| 04:13.59 | cafuego | jetscreamer: But personally I'd find less CPU and LOTS more ram nicer |
| 04:14.23 | jetscreamer | my it 'budget' got slammed because the boss didn't pay taxes and now has to :/ |
| 04:14.24 | cafuego | has been contermplating a new desktop box though |
| 04:14.49 | cafuego | unfortunately a a new cpu would also mean new mobo, ram and new gfx |
| 04:15.08 | cafuego | has an old-skool 754 |
| 04:15.08 | jetscreamer | which means my home network (which is the work network) stays as is |
| 04:15.36 | jetscreamer | i'm still chugging with an xp2400 |
| 04:15.39 | jetscreamer | woohoo |
| 04:15.49 | cafuego | heh |
| 04:16.03 | jetscreamer | i could take the c2d back from the kid, but that's not nice to do to a birthday present |
| 04:16.14 | cafuego | I used to have one of those before I got this one, but the mobo blew up and then i sold the cpu |
| 04:16.17 | jetscreamer | besides it has that cheap onboard which sucks |
| 04:16.45 | jetscreamer | this box does q4 almost as good as that one with the onboard |
| 04:16.57 | cafuego | jetscreamer: The joys of SiS and S3? |
| 04:17.49 | jetscreamer | well it's intel onboard/chipset, but still sucks.. this xp2400 is sis based, works great (with the addon northbridge cooling) |
| 04:18.16 | cafuego | actually |
| 04:18.24 | jetscreamer | the hd transfer speed may be slow |
| 04:18.25 | cafuego | my laptop has an xp2000 |
| 04:18.33 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 04:18.41 | jetscreamer | i have a very old thinkpad |
| 04:18.41 | cafuego | with an ati igp chipset |
| 04:18.54 | jetscreamer | p3-700 |
| 04:19.09 | cafuego | eep |
| 04:19.11 | jetscreamer | but it does everything i want it to do |
| 04:19.17 | cafuego | i have older, but not in use |
| 04:19.25 | jetscreamer | mainly mplayer in the car |
| 04:19.36 | cafuego | besides, it tries to electrocute me when i use it |
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| 04:19.41 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 04:19.48 | cafuego | dell ftw |
| 04:20.17 | jetscreamer | heh come to think of it the thinkpad is s3 |
| 04:20.31 | cafuego | there there |
| 04:20.32 | jetscreamer | and can't do 24bit in xorg |
| 04:20.40 | jetscreamer | not enough memory |
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| 04:20.47 | jetscreamer | and it's not onboard so can't change |
| 04:20.51 | ReKlipz | I remember playing Counter Strike on my S3 8MB integrated |
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| 04:21.24 | ReKlipz | then i remember spending $100 on a PCI Radeon 7000, with 64MB DDR |
| 04:21.25 | cafuego | ReKlipz: in lovely wireframe resolution? |
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| 04:21.42 | ReKlipz | cafuego, I'm not sure how I managed, lol |
| 04:21.56 | cafuego | remembers playing wolfenstein on the lovely 1Mb Quadra 660s |
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| 04:22.14 | ReKlipz | well, I'm upgrading/replacing my xp3200 (32bit) to this 5400+ |
| 04:22.23 | cafuego | ReKlipz: nice |
| 04:22.31 | ReKlipz | 2.25TB RAID |
| 04:22.42 | ReKlipz | currently RAID 0 for shits and giggles |
| 04:22.42 | cafuego | got a 5600+ to play server |
| 04:22.57 | ReKlipz | gonna raid 5 as soon as i get a hot swap bay and a proper case |
| 04:23.05 | ReKlipz | nice |
| 04:23.16 | cafuego | mainly Xen server though, not so much in the way of storage (3Ã320GB raid5) |
| 04:23.20 | jetscreamer | ah but i do have a lot of hd storage |
| 04:23.20 | ReKlipz | i've got this thing sprawled all out on my desk at the moment, lol |
| 04:23.53 | ReKlipz | cafuego, this image you linked me, will install debian etch, just has backported installer? |
| 04:23.57 | cafuego | ReKlipz: I got a coolermaster case with 4 hotswap bays built in, wasn't too expensive |
| 04:24.13 | cafuego | ReKlipz: it will install etch with a 2.6.24 kernel |
| 04:24.15 | jetscreamer | i bought the tnt1 when it first came out i was so happy to lose the s3 virge with 2 whole mb |
| 04:24.29 | ReKlipz | cafuego: I'm looking at building my own acrylic case |
| 04:24.32 | ReKlipz | brb |
| 04:24.47 | jetscreamer | ReKlipz: you don't have windows do you on that box? |
| 04:24.50 | cafuego | jetscreamer: I had a Matrox Millennium2 plus a Diamond Voodoo2 |
| 04:24.55 | cafuego | with pass-through cable |
| 04:24.58 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com rocks for installing |
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| 04:25.38 | ReKlipz | jetscreamer: which box? |
| 04:25.48 | jetscreamer | the one you're installing on |
| 04:25.58 | ReKlipz | only box i've got windows on is the one im talking to you on, my desktop |
| 04:26.06 | ReKlipz | nope, installation box = fresh |
| 04:26.17 | ReKlipz | is still feeling the $600 blow to his bank account |
| 04:26.53 | jetscreamer | 250 on just paint and new door locks tonight |
| 04:26.53 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 04:27.39 | ReKlipz | ic |
| 04:27.43 | jetscreamer | ah but it goes on the expense account thing :) |
| 04:27.47 | ReKlipz | lol |
| 04:27.57 | ReKlipz | <-- college freshman |
| 04:28.05 | jetscreamer | i stil get to listen to the crying though |
| 04:28.23 | ReKlipz | anywhere i can download this image faster? |
| 04:28.26 | jetscreamer | <-old dude who remembers when there were no personal computers |
| 04:28.40 | jetscreamer | where are you doing it now |
| 04:29.11 | jetscreamer | from, rather |
| 04:29.16 | ReKlipz | lol, ok |
| 04:29.23 | ReKlipz | i think you mean where am i getting it from |
| 04:29.26 | ReKlipz | and that would be |
| 04:29.32 | ReKlipz | http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.24/amd64/etch-custom-0215.iso |
| 04:29.42 | ReKlipz | @ 28K/s |
| 04:29.56 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Aaah the good ole mainframe days ;-0 |
| 04:30.10 | jetscreamer | is the object to install testing or etch with a modern kernel |
| 04:30.18 | jetscreamer | no idea about another source for that btw |
| 04:30.36 | ReKlipz | just to install something that will run |
| 04:30.44 | ReKlipz | i guess i could go testing |
| 04:30.49 | jetscreamer | yeah we had a tty with paper tape and a phone cradle in school... that was comp sci back then |
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| 04:30.52 | jetscreamer | and basic |
| 04:30.59 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 04:31.00 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 04:31.14 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.39 | ReKlipz | ooh |
| 04:31.41 | ReKlipz | daily builds |
| 04:32.13 | pmv | okay, what do you guys use for importing digicam images? |
| 04:32.14 | pmv | digikam has failed me |
| 04:32.22 | pmv | kde apps are so cumbersome to run standalone >_< |
| 04:32.25 | cafuego | pmv: f-spot |
| 04:32.41 | jetscreamer | what is the difference between a digicam image and just some image |
| 04:33.00 | ReKlipz | I like this USB stick loader btw, it's pretty slick |
| 04:33.17 | pmv | jetscreamer, it is in a camera |
| 04:33.36 | jetscreamer | you can't just mount it? |
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| 04:33.51 | pmv | jetscreamer, no |
| 04:33.53 | pmv | PTP camera |
| 04:33.54 | pmv | canon |
| 04:34.08 | jetscreamer | what's ptp |
| 04:34.33 | pmv | it is a device protocol |
| 04:34.40 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:34.47 | pmv | pic transfer protocol, industry standard |
| 04:34.49 | karsten_ | Is there any good way / tool to print a bunch of thumbnails of images with exif information? |
| 04:35.08 | pmv | karsten_, ah, I have done this with imagemagick before |
| 04:35.25 | karsten_ | and/or how do you fix clock skew in exif? Time seems to be shifted by 9 hours or so. |
| 04:35.28 | jetscreamer | so is that like if you have a camera that acts like a camera or a usb mass storage, the camera setting? (i've only had this one hp camera) |
| 04:35.29 | pmv | I forget the syntax though. get imagemagick and man display |
| 04:35.50 | pmv | jetscreamer, naw, I think this one only has PTP |
| 04:36.23 | karsten | pmv: I'm suspecting that the montage feature can do that or something. |
| 04:36.24 | jetscreamer | no i mean is that like when i set mine to 'camera' instead of mass storage... but i realize that you couldn't know for sure it's not your camera |
| 04:36.53 | karsten | tries to remember what he likes so much about f-spot. |
| 04:36.56 | pmv | karsten, I do not know much of those apps, sorry. :) |
| 04:36.57 | karsten | Oh yeah. |
| 04:37.07 | pmv | jetscreamer, oh, right. it is easier in linux. |
| 04:37.09 | karsten | Its blazing speed and low memory footprint. |
| 04:37.11 | pmv | I am in fbsd currently |
| 04:37.22 | karsten | pmv: montage == one of the imagemagick tools. |
| 04:37.36 | pmv | karsten, oh. that might be it then. |
| 04:37.57 | karsten | pmv: f-spot is the look-alike of Mac's photo gallery tool. |
| 04:38.12 | pmv | yeah, getting it now |
| 04:38.18 | yum_ | http://happiland.net/~mish/share/lenny_crash.jpg - thinkpad x40, lenny netinst during detect hardware |
| 04:38.37 | cafuego | and f-spot also suppiorts stuff like uploads to gallery2 and flickr |
| 04:38.48 | pmv | neaot |
| 04:38.50 | pmv | *neato |
| 04:39.17 | karsten | pmv: Looks like a kernel crash. |
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| 04:39.29 | pmv | huh? |
| 04:39.37 | pmv | you mean yum_? |
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| 04:40.55 | yum_ | any idea what i can do about it? i tried acpi=off and it doesn't change anything |
| 04:41.07 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 04:41.23 | karsten | Well, there's an "Exif" utility which should extract exif information |
| 04:42.00 | pmv | yum_, need a longer stack trace than that |
| 04:42.05 | pmv | hmm |
| 04:42.11 | pmv | proc specs on that box? |
| 04:42.21 | yum_ | one sec... |
| 04:42.31 | karsten | yum_: Try running a serial port debugger if you're serious about that. |
| 04:42.58 | yum_ | i'd love to if i had a computer with one |
| 04:43.14 | karsten | yum_: Most VMs support that. |
| 04:43.28 | karsten | yum_: If it's not hardware-specific, that's an option. Otherwise.... |
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| 04:44.09 | yum_ | i'd bet money it's hardware specific |
| 04:44.30 | pmv | might be an smp issue |
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| 04:49.57 | yum_ | is there any way to manually set up the network stuff? |
| 04:49.59 | Miesco | Is Firefox 3 in testing yet? |
| 04:50.14 | wols | no |
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| 04:50.23 | wols | yum_: yes. man interfaces |
| 04:50.55 | pmv | bbl lunch |
| 04:51.02 | yum_ | i should say, is there a way to manually do the detect network hardware step |
| 04:51.25 | yum_ | the netinst shell doesn't seem to have the e1000 module around so i can't load it |
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| 04:51.35 | liable | it should have |
| 04:51.48 | liable | switch to vt2 and modprobe it and run ifconfig |
| 04:51.51 | yum_ | well it says not found if i do modprobe e1000 |
| 04:51.56 | yum_ | and it also says ifconfig not found |
| 04:52.33 | Miesco | When will Firefox 3 be in testing or Unstable? |
| 04:53.07 | liable | yum_: thats odd. what installer are you using? |
| 04:53.16 | liable | iirc e1000 is in the etch kernel |
| 04:53.20 | yum_ | lenny netinst |
| 04:53.24 | ReKlipz | yum_ you root? |
| 04:53.26 | yum_ | http://happiland.net/~mish/share/lenny_crash.jpg is what i get |
| 04:53.43 | yum_ | its the netinst busybox shell reklipz |
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| 04:53.47 | yum_ | so, yes |
| 04:53.50 | ReKlipz | yum_ oic |
| 04:54.11 | puff | I want to figure out how to use swig to generate bindings for bluez. I'm new to swig and my C is a bit rusty, but AFAICT, to do this I need swig and I need the bluez source and headers. Which bluez package should I get the source for? libbluetooth1? libbluetooth2? |
| 04:55.19 | ReKlipz | omg effing a |
| 04:55.27 | liable | yum_: it says module not found, or modprobe command not found? |
| 04:55.35 | ReKlipz | I bought this mobo, says it's up to SATA II snuff |
| 04:55.35 | yum_ | module not found |
| 04:55.42 | yum_ | it can find and load other modules |
| 04:55.45 | ReKlipz | reading the manual, says it doesn't support hot-swap |
| 04:55.47 | yum_ | but not e1000 |
| 04:56.07 | liable | strange |
| 04:56.35 | McNitro | hi - can someone please tell me how to fix "Error 17" in Grub, i beleive its something to do with grub not knowing which partitions to use, i've manually reinstalled and configured grub with the correct hdd parameters but its not work... any ideas? |
| 04:56.46 | yum_ | pmv: what proc specs do you want to know? |
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| 04:58.14 | pmv | smp? |
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| 04:58.35 | yum_ | great, i tried skipping ahead and it freezes after "detect disks" too |
| 04:58.41 | yum_ | bother |
| 04:59.01 | yum_ | im trying to install from a usb cd drive |
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| 05:01.12 | jetscreamer | McNitro: imo best to boot a cd with grub on it and use grubshell to boot your install |
| 05:01.16 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.25 | jetscreamer | or a grub floppy |
| 05:01.37 | jetscreamer | or memstick |
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| 05:02.43 | jetscreamer | try the kmuto since it's almost 'stable' |
| 05:02.43 | jetscreamer | yum_: |
| 05:02.58 | Riotblade | Hey, if I login through ssh, the bash settings file I'm supposed to edit is .bashrc? |
| 05:03.08 | jetscreamer | then upgrade to testing if you want, if it works |
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| 05:03.28 | keithy | it seems to me that tftpd doesn't log anywhere |
| 05:03.30 | yum_ | i watched the log this time when detecting the disk, i see it detecting my network stuff |
| 05:03.34 | puff | Riotblade: Well, add "export FOO=xyzzy" to .bashrc, log in and do "env | fgrep -i xyzzy" |
| 05:03.38 | yum_ | same kernel panic dump |
| 05:03.38 | jetscreamer | iirc editing .bashrc does affect my ssh login, but i can't swear |
| 05:03.43 | puff | Riotblade: And if it doesn't show up, try moving the line to .bash_prifile. |
| 05:03.45 | yum_ | jetscreamer: whats kmuto |
| 05:03.50 | puff | Er, .bash_profile. |
| 05:03.50 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 05:03.50 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 05:03.59 | yum_ | ok |
| 05:04.09 | jetscreamer | yum_: stable installer, recent kernel |
| 05:04.28 | jetscreamer | just a thought |
| 05:04.32 | yum_ | i was gonna just get the non-netinst version so i dont have to detect the network hardware |
| 05:04.38 | keithy | is it possible that hpa-tftp doesn't log anywhere? |
| 05:05.32 | jetscreamer | did you look in /var/log ? |
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| 05:05.52 | yum_ | yeah i'm tailing syslog, and i see it detecting my network hardware |
| 05:06.05 | yum_ | i wonder if it has to do with the ipw2200 |
| 05:06.10 | keithy | jetscreamer, um... yes? |
| 05:06.22 | jetscreamer | and did you see if there was a 'turn logging on' option, keithy ... the first one was for keithy also |
| 05:06.37 | Riotblade | strange |
| 05:06.48 | keithy | ah, crap. it's running via inetd |
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| 05:06.50 | Riotblade | I pasted my normal color profile into both and no color shows up |
| 05:07.07 | jetscreamer | you have to log back in eh |
| 05:07.12 | Riotblade | done that |
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| 05:08.20 | Riotblade | but manually typing ls --color=auto works so I'm assuming the alias isn't being set correct |
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| 05:11.58 | jetscreamer | did you check .profile or .bash_profile ? |
| 05:12.12 | Riotblade | .bash_profile and .bashrc |
| 05:12.15 | jetscreamer | or was that for turning on history |
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| 05:49.50 | ReKlipz | I've got a problem booting from the USB stick |
| 05:50.09 | ReKlipz | I've installed grub, copied the image and the kernel to the stick |
| 05:50.18 | ReKlipz | it boots fine, but the kernel tosses a kernel panic |
| 05:50.23 | ReKlipz | one sec while i get the msg |
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| 05:51.51 | ReKlipz | invalid compressed format (err=2) |
| 05:51.51 | ReKlipz | VFS: Cannot open root device "(hd0,0)" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 05:51.51 | ReKlipz | Please append a correct "root=" boot option here are the available partitions: |
| 05:51.51 | ReKlipz | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 05:52.16 | jetscreamer | use uuid= in menu.lst and fstab |
| 05:52.31 | ReKlipz | i tried root=(hd0,0) |
| 05:52.43 | ReKlipz | so i need to get uuid of the usb dev? |
| 05:52.52 | jetscreamer | partition |
| 05:52.58 | ReKlipz | ah, k |
| 05:53.01 | ReKlipz | 1 sec |
| 05:53.20 | jetscreamer | that usually fixes errors that look like that |
| 05:53.29 | jetscreamer | the cause could be different though |
| 05:53.33 | jetscreamer | and it won't |
| 05:54.09 | jetscreamer | (aka 'no guarantee' but it might fix it) |
| 05:55.09 | ReKlipz | yeah |
| 05:55.13 | ReKlipz | at least i know what it's telling me |
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| 05:55.38 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/menu.lst & http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab have examples |
| 05:55.44 | jetscreamer | ugly but functional |
| 05:55.53 | ReKlipz | still same error |
| 05:56.15 | ReKlipz | root=uuid= |
| 05:56.16 | ReKlipz | ak, ok |
| 05:56.19 | sgid | hi is there a way to burn several images files to a same dvd and then choose wich installation i want to run? lets say burning openbsd iso and debian and solaris in the same dvd |
| 05:56.28 | jetscreamer | i don't know if the caps matter either |
| 05:56.32 | ReKlipz | how can i get UUID of usb? |
| 05:56.40 | ReKlipz | what i tried was uuid=EDB9-65A6 |
| 05:56.46 | ReKlipz | yours look longer... |
| 05:57.01 | jetscreamer | that uuid is a windows vfat one i think |
| 05:57.12 | ReKlipz | k, thats what the properties window showed for the mount |
| 05:57.15 | ReKlipz | so i need uuid of disk? |
| 05:57.17 | ReKlipz | err |
| 05:57.18 | ReKlipz | partition |
| 05:57.27 | jetscreamer | partition |
| 05:57.42 | jetscreamer | but |
| 05:58.12 | ReKlipz | how can i find that out? it's a USB stick with one FAT16 partition |
| 05:58.14 | jetscreamer | that 'could' be a leftover one |
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| 05:58.46 | ReKlipz | also, what does the ro option do? |
| 05:58.58 | jetscreamer | read only while booting |
| 05:59.09 | ReKlipz | err, duh, my bad |
| 05:59.12 | ReKlipz | brb, trying |
| 05:59.20 | jetscreamer | i thought you copied your linux over |
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| 06:00.06 | ReKlipz | what do you mean? |
| 06:00.14 | ReKlipz | I'm totally starting from scratch |
| 06:00.26 | ReKlipz | err, starting totally from scratch |
| 06:00.54 | jetscreamer | oh you're just trying to use the stick to boot, you don't have a linux installation on it |
| 06:01.05 | ReKlipz | yeah, no linux |
| 06:01.13 | ReKlipz | well, sides the debian install on the stick |
| 06:01.17 | ReKlipz | debian installer |
| 06:01.40 | jetscreamer | so you're trying to boot the debian installer off a stick |
| 06:01.56 | jetscreamer | on a stick |
| 06:02.21 | jetscreamer | never done that |
| 06:02.23 | ReKlipz | yeah |
| 06:02.26 | ReKlipz | I can get it to boot |
| 06:02.27 | ReKlipz | it's just |
| 06:02.33 | ReKlipz | the installer tosses that error |
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| 06:02.42 | ReKlipz | and this is with grub |
| 06:02.45 | ReKlipz | i could try syslinux |
| 06:02.50 | ReKlipz | which worked before |
| 06:02.57 | ReKlipz | but grub is like 10x cooler |
| 06:03.05 | sgid | ReKlipz booting from a stick is not only having the .boot files in it |
| 06:03.08 | pmv | grr |
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| 06:03.20 | pmv | dbus-launch seems to be having trouble working |
| 06:03.29 | pmv | dbus-launch f-spot still fails |
| 06:03.44 | ReKlipz | sgid: come again? |
| 06:03.55 | sgid | ReKlipz u have to make it bootable there are severall programs to do it, one of them its called HP tool usb something like that, and i dont remember the other one |
| 06:04.03 | ReKlipz | sgid: it is bootable |
| 06:04.10 | ReKlipz | I can boot into grub off of the usb stick |
| 06:04.13 | ReKlipz | and from there |
| 06:04.18 | pmv | does dbus need any extra config? |
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| 06:04.22 | ReKlipz | i can pick the debian install kernel |
| 06:04.32 | ReKlipz | and even the memtest86+ kernel |
| 06:04.37 | ReKlipz | (added that one myself, lol) |
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| 06:05.02 | sgid | ReKlipz oh i see, u already made it bootable, tought it was the first time |
| 06:05.15 | ReKlipz | yeah, i got that far, parted is awesome |
| 06:05.25 | ReKlipz | i'm gonna try syslinux quick |
| 06:05.26 | jetscreamer | ReKlipz: the drive the bios is set to boot from winds up being hd0, is it set to boot the stick first by default... also if you can boot something debian-ish and look with the stick plugged in, ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 06:05.49 | ReKlipz | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 06:05.52 | ReKlipz | once with disk |
| 06:05.54 | ReKlipz | once without |
| 06:05.55 | ReKlipz | ? |
| 06:06.07 | jetscreamer | just once with |
| 06:06.14 | jetscreamer | to get the uuid? |
| 06:06.34 | ReKlipz | uuid=eBd9-65a6 |
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| 06:06.40 | jetscreamer | s/look/ls/ |
| 06:07.01 | jetscreamer | not sure if the caps matter... it's linux... |
| 06:07.07 | jetscreamer | i'd say yes |
| 06:07.14 | ReKlipz | well |
| 06:07.34 | ReKlipz | i tried root=UUID=EBD9-65A6 |
| 06:07.37 | jetscreamer | that's a vfat uuid though |
| 06:07.43 | ReKlipz | it is a fat16 partition |
| 06:07.47 | jetscreamer | or fat16 i guess |
| 06:08.21 | jetscreamer | you have the debian installer on a fat16 fs? |
| 06:08.24 | ReKlipz | trying syslinux boot, or will that matter? |
| 06:08.27 | ReKlipz | jetscreamer: yep |
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| 06:09.17 | jetscreamer | oh.. so do the lack of perms/ownership matter? |
| 06:09.45 | ReKlipz | umm, i did the syslinux + d-i of standard etch, and it booted up fine |
| 06:09.48 | ReKlipz | on fat16 |
| 06:09.52 | jetscreamer | o |
| 06:09.56 | ReKlipz | just no driver for network |
| 06:10.11 | ReKlipz | tried the devel lenny beta1 d-i, and grub, and i get this |
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| 06:10.33 | wal | have upgraded motherboard and cpu (1.8ghz athlon to vsta 775 e6300) - everything works. I am surprised. is there anything I should do to make it work better ? |
| 06:10.35 | ReKlipz | i dont think doing syslinux will change anything, cuz it's booting fine (not sure if that affects the kernel) |
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| 06:10.38 | jetscreamer | it was borked for me like yesterday |
| 06:10.46 | jetscreamer | d-i |
| 06:10.51 | ReKlipz | you fix it? |
| 06:10.56 | jetscreamer | no |
| 06:11.04 | ReKlipz | fix it! |
| 06:11.05 | ReKlipz | lol |
| 06:11.10 | jetscreamer | i just cp -a 'd my install |
| 06:11.14 | jetscreamer | i wanted a fresh |
| 06:11.17 | ReKlipz | i'll download the daily build of the install |
| 06:11.24 | ReKlipz | and try that |
| 06:11.43 | cafuego | aaargh aargh aaargh aargh aaaaaaargh aaargh argh argh aaaaargh |
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| 06:11.49 | jetscreamer | i redid my partitioning scheme |
| 06:12.05 | praveen_ | hello everybody |
| 06:12.25 | ReKlipz | cafuego: you following this? |
| 06:12.28 | ReKlipz | praveen_: hello |
| 06:12.40 | praveen_ | my dell pf 320 laptop freeze after first inserting cd |
| 06:12.50 | praveen_ | installation cd |
| 06:13.17 | cafuego | ReKlipz: No, I'm on a support call and I want to stab myself in the face |
| 06:13.31 | ReKlipz | haha! dont... |
| 06:13.36 | ReKlipz | you'll bleed |
| 06:13.47 | ReKlipz | and you don't want to have to clean that mess up |
| 06:14.13 | cafuego | bleed? i was long ago sucked dry |
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| 06:15.46 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 06:16.34 | ReKlipz | k, it seems to be a problem with grub, or the d-i iso loader, cuz the old iso doesnt work now either |
| 06:16.39 | ReKlipz | tries syslinux |
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| 06:22.11 | sgid | hi how can i see my partitions and their respectives ids with the terminal |
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| 06:22.43 | sgid | i want to see the disklabels and their ids (hd0, hd1) |
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| 06:23.20 | jetscreamer | ls -l /dev/disk/by-label |
| 06:23.35 | jetscreamer | ls -l /dev/disk/by-<tabkey> |
| 06:23.50 | ReKlipz | prays |
| 06:24.46 | jetscreamer | there's label, uuid, and ... something i forget but the output is like pci.1.0023098484 something |
| 06:25.42 | ReKlipz | ... apparently the grub mbr didnt get overwritten? |
| 06:26.16 | jetscreamer | well it woudln't if it didn't think your stick was hd0 |
| 06:26.30 | jetscreamer | or whichever |
| 06:26.42 | ReKlipz | hmm |
| 06:26.45 | ReKlipz | it fails at grub stage 1.5 |
| 06:26.52 | ReKlipz | but i dont want grub anymore, i want syslinux |
| 06:27.02 | jetscreamer | the damn percieved device.map pivots |
| 06:27.04 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 06:27.07 | dondelelcaro | you almost certainly want grub, not syslinux. |
| 06:27.21 | jetscreamer | listen to whatever he says, ReKlipz |
| 06:27.25 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: if you're having a problem with grub failing at stage 1.5, figure out why it's failing, and fix it. |
| 06:27.26 | ReKlipz | the debian installer guide says to use syslinux |
| 06:27.35 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: what are you installing on? |
| 06:27.42 | ReKlipz | dondelelcaro: it failed cuz i tried to convert from grub to syslinux |
| 06:27.50 | ReKlipz | im setting up a usb stick to install debian |
| 06:27.59 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: how big? |
| 06:28.02 | ReKlipz | 1GB |
| 06:28.14 | ReKlipz | the stable d-i doesnt have network drivers |
| 06:28.18 | sgid | jetscreamer i have debian and im trying to install openbsd (and dual boot both) and in the installation when it asks the hdd to install i get something like "wd0" i guess thats the equivalent to "hd0" wich means the whole disk so i want to know wich are the respective ids of my swap and empty partition i made fro openbsd |
| 06:28.25 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: uh... it does, actually. |
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| 06:28.33 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: which ones do you need, though? |
| 06:28.39 | ReKlipz | correction, doesnt have network drivers for SB700 chipset |
| 06:28.41 | Smerdykov | I recently installed Debian and I got the ALSA drivers to output the sound to the laptop speakers, but I can't get sound to come from the headphone port |
| 06:28.43 | Smerdykov | does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 06:28.46 | bujin | hi |
| 06:28.46 | dondelelcaro | !kmuto |
| 06:28.46 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 06:28.50 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: see above. |
| 06:28.52 | ReKlipz | dondelelcaro: |
| 06:28.57 | ReKlipz | i'm using the lenny beta d-i |
| 06:28.58 | bujin | what is the best torrent client ? |
| 06:29.02 | jetscreamer | sgid: swap doesn't show up in /dev/disk :/ |
| 06:29.08 | ReKlipz | and i couldnt get it to work with grub |
| 06:29.14 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: you're better off using the kmuto images instead, and you don't use grub. |
| 06:29.27 | ReKlipz | any bootloader should work |
| 06:29.27 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: just take the hd.img.gz that he has, zcat it to the device, mount it, and shove an iso on it. |
| 06:29.32 | ReKlipz | lol |
| 06:29.39 | ReKlipz | his is slow to dl |
| 06:29.46 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: then use a mirror of his |
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| 06:30.17 | ReKlipz | the problem is i need the iso to be up to date |
| 06:30.26 | ReKlipz | the loader shouldnt really matter |
| 06:30.27 | ReKlipz | right? |
| 06:30.36 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: why do you need the iso to be up to date? |
| 06:30.40 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: and yes, the loader matters. |
| 06:30.52 | ReKlipz | dondelelcaro: i need the network drivers... |
| 06:31.00 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: uh... that doesn't have anything to do with the iso. |
| 06:31.10 | ReKlipz | dondelelcaro: how not so? |
| 06:31.18 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: because the iso isn't what you use to boot. |
| 06:31.23 | ReKlipz | indeed |
| 06:31.29 | ReKlipz | but it is what you use to isntall debian with |
| 06:31.42 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: sure, but it's trivial to put a newer kernel on the machine before you reboot. |
| 06:31.43 | ReKlipz | and what holds the network drivers so you can download packages at install |
| 06:31.49 | dondelelcaro | thus, QED. |
| 06:31.55 | ReKlipz | hmm |
| 06:32.12 | dondelelcaro | (and if you're actually worried about that, kmuto provides an updated iso too) |
| 06:32.28 | ReKlipz | indeed he does, but again, 512MB at 28K/s... |
| 06:32.41 | dondelelcaro | (or you can trivially wget the appropriate 2.6.24 kernel from your local unstable mirror and just dpkg -i it later) |
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| 06:32.56 | ReKlipz | ok, so, lets start all the way over |
| 06:33.02 | ReKlipz | because i'm confused |
| 06:33.14 | ReKlipz | i should or should not be able to complete install without the network drivers? |
| 06:33.27 | ReKlipz | ignoring the fact that i'm installing from a usb stick |
| 06:33.39 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: depends on which iso you use. |
| 06:33.48 | jetscreamer | cd .iso is only 700 |
| 06:34.03 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: anything from the netinst iso and larger doesn't require the network to install the base system. |
| 06:34.07 | ReKlipz | i was using the internet installs |
| 06:34.11 | sgid | jetscreamer then how can i know wich is the swap id? |
| 06:34.28 | ReKlipz | so, i should just dll a full cd, stick that on the usb, and be done? |
| 06:34.40 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: uh... you need to be able to boot the usb stick first. |
| 06:34.48 | ReKlipz | dondelelcaro: thats not a problem |
| 06:34.50 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: but it doesn't really matter. |
| 06:35.50 | ReKlipz | dondelelcaro: ok, amazingly, the FR mirror is now running a lot faster |
| 06:36.00 | ReKlipz | 400KB vs the 28KB earlier |
| 06:36.07 | dondelelcaro | yes... that's why i suggested it |
| 06:36.09 | ReKlipz | i've got the associated boot.img.gz |
| 06:36.25 | ReKlipz | i tried the mirror earlier, it was just as slow, sorry |
| 06:36.47 | Wyzard | Anyone have experience using Linux's automatic proxy-arp feature? |
| 06:37.07 | ReKlipz | so, next step is to zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 06:37.08 | Wyzard | I've used it successfully in the past, but I'm having trouble getting it working now, even though I think I've set everything up correctly |
| 06:37.16 | ReKlipz | then, mount the drive, and stick iso on it |
| 06:37.19 | ReKlipz | then im golden? |
| 06:37.36 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: yes. |
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| 06:39.15 | foobar | hi all, I would like to make a test package for my simple project |
| 06:40.42 | jetscreamer | sgid: my lame way is just to mkswap -v1 /dev/insertswappartition here ... it tells you the new uuid, or at least it does in sid. might be a new feature, can't swear but i don't remember seeing it before |
| 06:40.55 | foobar | but the problem is, my project only consists of one *.sh and a README, when I executed dh_make, it said no makefile found |
| 06:41.03 | jetscreamer | swapoff first probably eh |
| 06:41.07 | foobar | so can I still make a package without a Makefile? |
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| 06:41.26 | dondelelcaro | foobar: debian/rules is a makefile, so not really. |
| 06:42.24 | foobar | dondelelcaro, so I don't need to edit debian/rules right? |
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| 06:43.25 | sgid | is wd0 in bsd the equivalent od hd0 in linux? |
| 06:43.39 | dondelelcaro | foobar: yes, you do. |
| 06:43.54 | jetscreamer | sgid: you might ask in #grub or #freebsd or so |
| 06:44.03 | ReKlipz | dondelelcaro: approximate amount of time it takes for zcat to run? it doesnt seem to be terminating... |
| 06:44.30 | jetscreamer | hd0 in linux's grub just seems to be the boot drive, sgid |
| 06:44.45 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: it writes around 500M to the device, iirc, so depends on whether this is usb1 or 2 |
| 06:45.00 | foobar | dondelelcaro: I am not sure what cased the problem but, I can't compile the debian , it said: |
| 06:45.03 | foobar | debuild -us -uc |
| 06:45.03 | foobar | sorry |
| 06:45.17 | foobar | dpkg-source: failure: gzip gave error exit status 1 |
| 06:45.35 | dondelelcaro | foobar: for starters, just use fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; to build your package. |
| 06:45.36 | foobar | debuild: fatal error at line 1247: |
| 06:45.45 | ReKlipz | it's usb2 |
| 06:45.59 | ReKlipz | 500m?! the boot.img.bz is only 18MB |
| 06:46.01 | dondelelcaro | foobar: once that's working, then you can build the source package using dpkg-source and/or run debuild or pdebuild or similar. |
| 06:46.13 | dondelelcaro | ReKlipz: yes, but it's a lot of zeros. |
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| 06:46.25 | ReKlipz | dondelelcaro: ok, it seems to have finished |
| 06:47.03 | foobar | ok thanks |
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| 06:47.16 | ReKlipz | k, let's give this a go |
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| 06:51.51 | hikenboot | greetings all can anyone suggest apt sources list for vmknoppix/knoppix that work without lots of errors.. I cant seem to find one I was hoping you debian folks could help |
| 06:52.23 | kgoetz | hikenboot: try the #knoppix channel |
| 06:52.34 | hikenboot | thanks |
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| 06:52.40 | kgoetz | we dont support knoppix in here :) |
| 06:54.00 | cafuego | kgoetz: is *so* much more mean than Kamping_Kaiser |
| 06:54.26 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 06:55.42 | ReKlipz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.00 | liable | ReKlipz: i usually just copy a hd-media kernel and initrd onto it (plus iso if you have no net on the new box) install the grub stage-1.5 files and grub into its mbr. |
| 06:57.02 | jetscreamer | mbr? |
| 06:57.13 | pmv | master boot rec |
| 06:57.25 | pmv | this is where the bootloader is installed |
| 06:57.31 | jetscreamer | no it was a suggestion |
| 06:57.40 | jetscreamer | but thanks :) |
| 06:57.40 | pmv | oh oaky :) |
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| 06:58.04 | pmv | ReKlipz, you hafta install grub on the stick's mbr |
| 06:58.53 | ReKlipz | i believe zcat'ing boot.img.gz is sposed to set all that up for you, using syslinux |
| 06:59.02 | liable | should do, yep |
| 06:59.15 | cafuego | maybe this is a stupid question, but don't you have a dvd or cdrw and a spare blank? |
| 06:59.34 | ReKlipz | cafuego: i dont have an optical drive |
| 06:59.48 | liable | i think thats superfloppy format, my thinkpad wont boot them for some weird reason |
| 06:59.55 | pmv | ReKlipz, not unless it writes to the raw device it wont |
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| 06:59.58 | cafuego | notes they cost approximately $nothing and save a lot of trouble ;-) |
| 07:00.00 | jetscreamer | is your bad assed fat16 partiton set bootable? |
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| 07:00.06 | pmv | you have to write it to mbr, not just the disk |
| 07:00.15 | ReKlipz | jetscreamer: it was set as a loop partition table |
| 07:00.23 | ReKlipz | and wouldnt allow me to make it bootable |
| 07:00.29 | ReKlipz | but that was after zcat |
| 07:00.39 | ReKlipz | which should have done it all for me, no touchups afterwards |
| 07:00.52 | ReKlipz | trying it again |
| 07:00.57 | jetscreamer | loop partiton table..... ok (whatever that is) |
| 07:01.00 | pmv | zcat > somefile writes to the fs |
| 07:01.06 | pmv | you need to write to mbr |
| 07:01.25 | pmv | unless you do > /dev/sdaX |
| 07:02.23 | ReKlipz | pmv: i did zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 07:02.27 | ReKlipz | which is the block device |
| 07:02.28 | ReKlipz | no? |
| 07:02.49 | pmv | ah, okay |
| 07:02.54 | pmv | that seems to be correct |
| 07:03.07 | ReKlipz | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 07:03.10 | ReKlipz | 4.3.1 |
| 07:04.06 | ReKlipz | k, it worked this time |
| 07:04.14 | ReKlipz | i manually wiped the partition table |
| 07:04.22 | ReKlipz | made it bootable fat16 |
| 07:04.26 | ReKlipz | then zcat'd |
| 07:04.32 | ReKlipz | all as root, and it worked |
| 07:04.44 | ReKlipz | now to see if the network drivers work |
| 07:06.07 | pmv | w00 |
| 07:06.55 | ReKlipz | says it cant read from cd-rom (usb), think iso is corrupt.... |
| 07:06.55 | ReKlipz | or a bad usb |
| 07:09.50 | sgid | how can i scape from a manual in bsd? |
| 07:09.58 | pmv | scape? |
| 07:09.59 | sgid | in terminal i mean lol |
| 07:10.06 | pmv | exit? |
| 07:10.09 | pmv | ^D? |
| 07:10.13 | jetscreamer | quit? |
| 07:10.37 | pmv | from a man page you mean? |
| 07:10.51 | jetscreamer | try the Q |
| 07:11.00 | sgid | yes from seeing a manual in the terminal like man fdisk |
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| 07:11.14 | sgid | but i mean in the console without starting xserver |
| 07:11.17 | pmv | q |
| 07:11.30 | ReKlipz | well, i popped the lenny beta netinst iso on there, and it works fine... |
| 07:12.02 | Obligatory | Q: best/favorite GUI for finding files? (preferably with boolean options) |
| 07:12.15 | pmv | find |
| 07:12.20 | pmv | oh gui |
| 07:12.25 | pmv | .. |
| 07:12.30 | pmv | beagle? .. |
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| 07:12.40 | Obligatory | how is beagle? |
| 07:13.03 | pmv | beagle is great |
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| 07:13.39 | dondelelcaro | best gui for finding files: find in an xterm |
| 07:13.47 | pmv | amen |
| 07:14.02 | Obligatory | hmm, wonder why beagle needs 14 megs? |
| 07:14.36 | dondelelcaro | Obligatory: it itself is only about a meg, but it has dependencies. |
| 07:14.43 | Obligatory | I like CLI, I do... |
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| 07:17.56 | Penix | if you're already worried about the install size, beagle probably isn't for you |
| 07:18.34 | Obligatory | Penix, I'm more curious about the install size; bigger isn't always better. |
| 07:18.58 | ReKlipz | success@ |
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| 07:19.44 | jetscreamer | don't say that to penix |
| 07:19.55 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike Obligatory |
| 07:19.55 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Obligatory to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:19.56 | ReKlipz | now the screen is just flashing: INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode |
| 07:20.04 | ReKlipz | oh, Segmentation fault tossed in there too |
| 07:20.21 | streuner | Obligatory: http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind? |
| 07:20.26 | Obligatory | ugh, get me a towel. |
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| 07:21.31 | ReKlipz | ok, i'm done |
| 07:21.44 | ReKlipz | had varied amounts of success |
| 07:21.54 | ReKlipz | it's 2:30AM, i'm going to bed |
| 07:22.16 | ReKlipz | jetscreamer, cafuego, dondelelcaro, others, thanks a lot for the help, really appreciate it |
| 07:23.45 | Obligatory | streuner, et al, tnx for advice, will read that and brush up on 'file', try stuff out while fetching 'beagle' just to see what it is, L8r... |
| 07:24.26 | jetscreamer | find |
| 07:24.29 | jetscreamer | not file |
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| 07:40.40 | dondelelcaro | 001121 |
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| 07:41.39 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:49.13 | extor | Is there any substitute for powerpoint on linux? Like PPT compatible software not just a point and click creation tool.. |
| 07:49.53 | fireba11 | extor: openoffice.org |
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| 07:50.24 | extor | can that show M$ produced PPT files? |
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| 07:51.01 | Guerin | !htfswk extor |
| 07:51.02 | dpkg | extor: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 07:51.22 | Guerin | the answer is probably `mostly' |
| 07:51.40 | extor | Errmm...cuz maybe you may have used it? |
| 07:51.49 | pmv | anyone here do fastcgi in C? |
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| 07:51.59 | pmv | I realize this is OT, but I cannot seem to find the fastcgi channel |
| 07:52.01 | Guerin | pmv: ask in #c, for fuck's sakes |
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| 07:53.05 | pmv | for fuck's sakes |
| 07:53.32 | Guerin | see, swearing makes you feel better! |
| 07:53.49 | pmv | I can see why you do it |
| 07:57.43 | fireba11 | extor : yes |
| 07:58.17 | extor | rests his case |
| 07:58.20 | fireba11 | extor : they usually still look the same too :-) |
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| 07:59.04 | extor | I like that fact fireball...now I can recommend knoppix to my windoze e-frands whose lappies have crashed and they have an assignement due soon |
| 07:59.23 | Guerin | ergh, assignments done in powerpoint? |
| 07:59.34 | Guerin | what are you doing, a MBA or something? |
| 08:00.37 | extor | No sometimes people in school do these assignements...usually involves excell, ppt and word. Until now I did not know ppt and impress were interchangeable so easily |
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| 08:01.47 | Guerin | hm, I never had to demonstrate proficiency in such things at skool |
| 08:02.01 | Guerin | does this mean I went to a good skool, or a bad one? |
| 08:02.26 | simonrvn | good one |
| 08:02.35 | simonrvn | <-- didn't either |
| 08:03.03 | simonrvn | that school must be one large billboard for M$hit |
| 08:04.28 | fireba11 | extor : it doesn't work as well as word <-> writer but it's okay |
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| 08:05.17 | extor | Many schools are, M$ donates servers and laptops and in return the school agrees to use windoze as a primary OS in Comp Sci courses |
| 08:05.28 | extor | Sun used to do that as well |
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| 08:06.01 | simonrvn | at least sunos/solaris is closer to being a real os... not that i approve of them either |
| 08:06.02 | cunzhang | hi,I have configured file resolve.conf and interfaces right. Why do they can't work after I run /ect/init.d/networking restart,ever I restart my computer |
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| 08:06.40 | Vladimir | morning |
| 08:06.55 | extor | Why would you dissaprove of Solaris? It's open source now |
| 08:07.07 | simonrvn | Guerin: you run away when i show up? :P |
| 08:07.22 | Vladimir | after installing debian on p3, i got message 'waitining for root file system' so i googled a bit, but could not find any solution |
| 08:07.34 | simonrvn | extor: no, the practice of "we'll give you this stuff" with strings attached |
| 08:07.36 | extor | In fact it would not surprise me if sun still runs those promotions on campuses. I know apple must have done it because many schools used to use macs in their labs |
| 08:08.02 | Guerin | simonrvn: heh, scared you might shoot me whitchor bowanarrow |
| 08:08.10 | extor | simon ahh yeah I get it...but thats life. And its one of the least corrupt transactions that occur between big business and acadamia |
| 08:08.17 | simonrvn | yeh right ;) |
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| 08:08.37 | cunzhang | any idea? |
| 08:08.39 | simonrvn | extor: eh, debatable, but i won't argue that |
| 08:08.46 | Sefyroth | Hey guys, I'm wondering how I can see my processes and daemons that are running so I can kill one. |
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| 08:09.03 | simonrvn | top helps |
| 08:10.34 | Guerin | simonrvn: i've been learning about canoes! |
| 08:10.54 | Guerin | extor: this is but one of the reasons I never bothered to study compsci |
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| 08:11.20 | simonrvn | Guerin: ours are even sea going ;) |
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| 08:11.57 | Guerin | simonrvn: yep, and more or less unchanged since the olden days |
| 08:12.39 | simonrvn | yyeh; ours are a bit rounder, and part of the sides are raised a bit, instead of dipping |
| 08:12.53 | extor | Guerin what was your major then |
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| 08:13.13 | Guerin | extor: film and political science, = propaganda |
| 08:13.32 | extor | ahh did you get a job in the media or was it just something to pad the resume? |
| 08:14.32 | Guerin | extor: i run a broadcast media analysis crew, yeah |
| 08:14.32 | jim | !find openacs |
| 08:15.25 | jim | what's a typical thing you do as analysts? |
| 08:15.42 | extor | What exactly does your crew do, create subminal messages to be inserted before broadcast? Run surveys on a pop base and then recommend themes for programming? |
| 08:15.52 | Guerin | jim: mostly it's just a gloriofied name for watching TV and listening to the radio all day. |
| 08:15.54 | extor | seconds jim's query |
| 08:16.37 | Guerin | no, we alert our clientbase to coverage of them, their issues, competitors, etc in the media |
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| 08:16.42 | jim | if they get played before broadcast, who sees/hears them? |
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| 08:16.48 | Vladimir | after installing debian on p3, i got message 'waitining for root file system' so i googled a bit, but could not find any solution |
| 08:16.51 | Vladimir | morning byw! |
| 08:17.10 | turbough | i'm having some problems turning a remote fedora core system into a debian system. |
| 08:17.17 | turbough | i'm following the instructions here: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 08:17.21 | Guerin | Vladimir: you need a debian kernel. |
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| 08:17.41 | Guerin | turbough: few here will touch that with a barge pole, but good luck trying. |
| 08:17.55 | turbough | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:18.03 | jim | turbough: do you have separate /home partition? |
| 08:18.05 | simonrvn | !betakeover |
| 08:18.10 | simonrvn | !debtakeover |
| 08:18.10 | dpkg | hmm... debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 08:18.12 | Vladimir | Guerin: i installed from netinst, but didnt connect via net, because i want miniman install, but how to fix this? |
| 08:18.36 | simonrvn | oh, old :/ |
| 08:18.42 | turbough | jim: i have two disks in the machine right now. one is running fedora and one has a blank partition. |
| 08:19.05 | jim | I'd suggest you find out how big your /home is now taking |
| 08:19.10 | turbough | jim: i want to eventually have the debian system overwrite the fedora system |
| 08:19.25 | jim | then double or quadruple that size |
| 08:19.44 | turbough | jim: its a fresh install. there's no data on the system disk except for things that came with fedora |
| 08:19.52 | jim | oh? |
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| 08:20.00 | jim | why not just install debian? |
| 08:20.22 | turbough | because i can't get to the machine in person. it's in a building in a different country. |
| 08:20.23 | heroxbd | Can awffull analysis xferlog generated by proftpd? |
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| 08:20.37 | turbough | the hosting company will not install debian |
| 08:21.05 | jim | oic... so this is for a server |
| 08:21.28 | turbough | yep |
| 08:21.34 | jim | how much are they charging you? |
| 08:21.39 | turbough | headless, remote, server |
| 08:21.48 | turbough | $49/mo |
| 08:21.53 | jim | oh man |
| 08:22.02 | jim | you need to try zill.net :) |
| 08:22.34 | turbough | why? |
| 08:22.45 | turbough | it looks really expensive |
| 08:22.55 | turbough | $49/mo for a vps? |
| 08:23.03 | turbough | with 10gb xfer? |
| 08:23.26 | turbough | i have 330gb with 500gb/mo xfer for $49/mo |
| 08:23.36 | turbough | thanks for the tip though |
| 08:24.44 | jim | how much ram? |
| 08:24.49 | turbough | 512 |
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| 08:25.21 | jim | that's definitely competitive |
| 08:25.33 | turbough | it's also a lame company |
| 08:25.46 | jim | in what way? |
| 08:25.48 | turbough | when they have network problems they don't announce it |
| 08:26.06 | turbough | they don't respond to requests when they have network issues or complete outages |
| 08:26.22 | turbough | i couldn't use the machine for about a week back in december |
| 08:26.30 | turbough | do to severe packet loss |
| 08:26.34 | turbough | due |
| 08:26.43 | Guerin | fire them |
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| 08:26.48 | turbough | i will |
| 08:27.02 | turbough | as soon as i start making enough money with it |
| 08:27.03 | jim | the guy at zill is very responsive |
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| 08:28.07 | turbough | yeah |
| 08:28.09 | jim | but anyway... |
| 08:28.24 | turbough | i'll keep it in mind when i got the skrillah |
| 08:28.24 | jim | get debootstrap going on the fedora installation |
| 08:28.36 | turbough | for now i want to use debian instead of fedora |
| 08:28.39 | turbough | yeah |
| 08:28.59 | jim | why only one partition? |
| 08:29.06 | turbough | i can't seem to use aptitude once in the chrooted environment |
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| 08:29.32 | turbough | it's a temporary system |
| 08:29.45 | turbough | so that i don't munt the fedora install |
| 08:30.34 | jim | does it seem to have a vague idea of maybe why aptitude kinda sorta decides it might not work? |
| 08:30.45 | jim | inquiring minds seem to want to know! |
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| 08:32.28 | jim | seems to sort of rephrase that vagueness: |
| 08:32.30 | jim | why? |
| 08:32.31 | turbough | i have to run base-config |
| 08:32.45 | turbough | which isn't installed by debootstrap |
| 08:32.52 | jim | I don't think there is a base-config anymore |
| 08:33.22 | jim | I'm not really a fan of that decision... |
| 08:34.46 | turbough | what took it's place? |
| 08:35.36 | jim | that part I'm not sure of... it might be just debconf taking over all the configgin |
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| 08:36.55 | jim | I think the deal is, they started out with this package base-files, which had the dir structure of a debian linux and some initial files like passwd and group |
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| 08:37.23 | jim | what they started getting annoyed at,,, |
| 08:37.26 | turbough | cool |
| 08:37.29 | turbough | debconf is in there |
| 08:38.11 | turbough | thanks jim |
| 08:38.12 | jim | was that base-files had sort of centralized some config files that really belonged in other packages |
| 08:38.51 | turbough | so they busted it up and rewrote it |
| 08:38.59 | turbough | looks like it's easy to write front ends for it |
| 08:39.03 | jim | so the files went to their respective packages... and base-config stayed for awhile, and then got factored out |
| 08:39.21 | jim | pretty sure that's how it happened |
| 08:39.29 | turbough | right on |
| 08:39.39 | turbough | heh |
| 08:39.44 | turbough | i was gonna post this to my blog |
| 08:39.48 | turbough | but i forgot the url |
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| 08:39.57 | turbough | it's been over a year since i posted anything on it |
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| 08:40.02 | turbough | blogs are teh sux |
| 08:40.02 | jim | so debootstrap -should- do the whole job |
| 08:40.15 | turbough | yeah. debootstrap is wicked |
| 08:40.18 | cafuego | deboostrap doesn't do udev |
| 08:40.25 | cafuego | just so you know, for Xen VMs :-) |
| 08:40.33 | jim | could that be his problem? |
| 08:40.38 | turbough | what's udev? |
| 08:41.04 | cafuego | !udev |
| 08:41.04 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules> |
| 08:41.19 | jim | what's to "do" about udev other than to mount and start it? |
| 08:41.31 | cafuego | jim: the pkg doesn't install |
| 08:41.47 | jim | hmm. |
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| 08:41.53 | jim | so is he stuck? |
| 08:41.56 | cafuego | at least, not autogamically, not in my debootstrap-created VMs |
| 08:42.19 | ma3x | if I'm going through a router should I use the gateway as my nameserver or the real isp nameservers? which way's faster? |
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| 08:42.27 | cafuego | only just woke up and doesn't know the problem |
| 08:42.39 | jim | if you're going through a router, you have to be REALLY small! |
| 08:42.50 | turbough | ma3x: i'd say the real nameservers are faster. |
| 08:43.10 | cafuego | runs off |
| 08:43.16 | turbough | cafuego: im trying to install debian over fedora core on a remote server |
| 08:43.19 | turbough | haha |
| 08:43.24 | jim | ma3x: also you could install a dns server on your box |
| 08:43.25 | turbough | ciao |
| 08:43.26 | ma3x | turbough, thanks |
| 08:43.34 | cafuego | has some remote cat minding to do |
| 08:43.50 | ma3x | jim, would that be faster than my isp's nameserver? |
| 08:44.05 | jim | depends on traffic and volume |
| 08:44.15 | turbough | you should make your machine a root server |
| 08:44.23 | turbough | that would be the fastest :) |
| 08:44.38 | turbough | i just hope you don't pay for bandwidth blocks ;) |
| 08:44.54 | jim | if there's a lot of stuff going over your connection, then probably some of that traffic is dns lookups |
| 08:45.37 | jim | if you have the dns on your side of your pipe, it won't decrease the traffic much except on things like repeated lookups |
| 08:46.17 | howfar | hi |
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| 08:47.19 | turbough | howdy |
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| 08:50.07 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi all what can I use beside chkrootkit to check for intrusions |
| 08:50.25 | jim | unlocked doors? |
| 08:50.29 | jim | missing doors? |
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| 08:50.39 | ralfgr | morning! |
| 08:51.07 | MD-Enigma | By installing php5 apt also installes a couple of x11 packages like x11-common. How can I avoid that? Any why does apt install those additional packages? |
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| 08:51.29 | jim | you could do md5sums on every file or every executable on your system and check that periodically |
| 08:51.41 | Coweater | god no |
| 08:52.26 | ralfgr | what is the right command to show the swap space a process is using? |
| 08:52.26 | Coweater | there is software available if you're going to do something before the fact |
| 08:53.01 | jim | so have they supposedly already intruded? |
| 08:53.06 | ralfgr | top shows Swap: 2101176k total, 0k used, 2101176k free, 125396k cached |
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| 08:54.00 | ralfgr | so no swap is used right now, but... |
| 08:54.02 | ralfgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.02 | ralfgr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:54.53 | ralfgr | hpsmhd = 219mb swap? or is this the value for hpsmhd if it needs to swapped out? |
| 08:55.46 | turbough | MD-Enigma: it needs x common for font rendering i think. |
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| 08:56.46 | BotaniCar | hello all, df -k says my "/" is 96% full, any way (exept du -h) to see what takes up most space ? |
| 08:57.19 | turbough | MD-Enigma: ahh and imagemagick needs the x11 libs too |
| 08:57.46 | MD-Enigma | turbough: ahh ... thats why :) ok thx |
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| 08:58.06 | turbough | BotaniCar: there's all sorts of utils that do that but a quick and dirty way is: find . | grep G |
| 08:58.23 | turbough | BotaniCar: it shows all the directories which are gigs large |
| 08:58.31 | turbough | and all the files that contain a capital G |
| 08:58.32 | turbough | :) |
| 08:58.53 | vyrus001 | how can i search for the package that contains linkage.h ? |
| 08:59.34 | pmv | dpkg_query? |
| 08:59.44 | vyrus001 | thnx |
| 08:59.49 | pmv | it is one of the dpkg_ family. I have no deb box here, sorry :) |
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| 09:00.30 | vyrus001 | heh that was it |
| 09:00.34 | vyrus001 | and i have it apperently |
| 09:00.43 | vyrus001 | its just not being found by make... guess its time to add a simlink |
| 09:01.01 | pmv | vyrus001, what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 09:01.11 | pmv | it might just be a matter of doing a -i |
| 09:01.17 | vyrus001 | tryin to compile something |
| 09:01.20 | vyrus001 | getting compile errors |
| 09:01.40 | pmv | be sure to -I/path/to/header |
| 09:01.43 | pmv | in gcc |
| 09:02.00 | vyrus001 | well its usin a make file |
| 09:02.07 | pmv | yeah, |
| 09:02.15 | pmv | add it to your makefile flags |
| 09:02.22 | pmv | for example |
| 09:02.36 | pmv | I do CFLAGS+= -DDEBUG -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib -Wall -Werror |
| 09:02.59 | vyrus001 | ic |
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| 09:04.34 | BotaniCar | turbough: i am speaking about file server , too many files to go that way, any tool that can do a graphical representation ? |
| 09:05.06 | turbough | BotaniCar: yeah there are but i never use em |
| 09:05.15 | turbough | BotaniCar: a google search will find em |
| 09:05.28 | turbough | or try searching http://sf.net |
| 09:05.38 | BotaniCar | turbough: i know it wil, i asked if anyone had one to recomend :) |
| 09:05.40 | pmv | BotaniCar, what are you trying to do? |
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| 09:05.57 | BotaniCar | pmw: trying to find what filled my "/" to 96% |
| 09:05.57 | turbough | BotaniCar: nope. sorry. |
| 09:06.28 | jelly-home | turbough: is "find . | grep G shows all the directories which are gigs large" some sort of a joke? |
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| 09:06.50 | turbough | jelly-home: i use it |
| 09:06.52 | pmv | BotaniCar, du -hsc | less will tell you |
| 09:06.56 | pmv | er |
| 09:07.02 | pmv | du -hsc / | less |
| 09:07.04 | BotaniCar | jelly-home: that way of finding i'd use "du -h | grep .." |
| 09:07.07 | pmv | that will take quite a while though |
| 09:07.10 | jelly-home | turbough: unlikely! |
| 09:07.30 | BotaniCar | pmv: time is not an issue , efectivity of search is , ill try |
| 09:07.47 | pmv | du then |
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| 09:08.04 | turbough | jelly-home: it is very likely that i use it. some may consider it fact. |
| 09:08.06 | pmv | wait, you need recursive |
| 09:08.26 | BotaniCar | du's output is unreadable at that data volume, is why i asked if mayhaps someone can recommend a graphical visualising tool |
| 09:08.31 | jelly-home | BotaniCar: if you don't have a separate /var, logs (/var/log) and apt cache (/var/cache/apt/archives) are the usual suspects |
| 09:08.32 | turbough | aaahh |
| 09:08.36 | pmv | or you can do 'find / -type f | xargs ls -l | less' |
| 09:08.41 | turbough | jelly-home: your right. it was "du | grep G" |
| 09:08.46 | turbough | haha |
| 09:08.48 | BotaniCar | logs and apt cache are clean, did it last night |
| 09:08.48 | pmv | BotaniCar, what do you mean unreadable? |
| 09:08.51 | jelly-home | my right what? |
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| 09:09.05 | pmv | BotaniCar, apt cache in /var/cache/ |
| 09:09.08 | lhadji | !nvidia |
| 09:09.08 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 09:09.38 | turbough | "du -h | grep G" |
| 09:09.46 | BotaniCar | pmv: it's a file server , i have too much of output to go through in a reasonable time |
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| 09:09.56 | sauvin | How is ntfs-3g obtained using apt-get? |
| 09:10.00 | karbuti | hello all |
| 09:10.03 | BotaniCar | turbough: that'd give me anything with G in name too |
| 09:10.31 | jelly-home | BotaniCar: duh, dump the output of du into a file and sort it numerically later |
| 09:10.35 | pmv | BotaniCar, so pipe the xargs ls -l get just the size column, then grep for really really big numbers |
| 09:10.44 | jelly-home | pmv: NO |
| 09:10.58 | turbough | you want something like http://kdirstat.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:11.00 | BotaniCar | pmv: i fear that files cluttering are not too big, but numerous , cant be sure yet |
| 09:11.07 | turbough | or http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab.htm |
| 09:11.08 | pmv | I see |
| 09:11.20 | jelly-home | pmv: find | xargs ls (without -print0 and -0) is a road to fail |
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| 09:11.25 | turbough | and you could have figured that out by searching http://www.google.com.my/search?q=show%20directory%20size%20linux&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 09:11.26 | BotaniCar | turbough: kdirstat breaks in midwork, tried it |
| 09:11.27 | pmv | well jelly-home's du solution will work, it will just show aggregate directories |
| 09:11.38 | pmv | jelly-home, whoops, sorry :) |
| 09:11.40 | karbuti | hello |
| 09:11.45 | turbough | er... this one http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&q=show+directory+size+linux+graphical&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 09:11.52 | jelly-home | pmv: there's an option to du to fix the aggregate issue |
| 09:12.14 | turbough | here's a good link to check as well http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&q=related:kdirstat.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:12.22 | BotaniCar | turbough: as i already wrote, i know how to google, i asked for a tool someone tried and knows it works, some i tried doing google, like kdirstat break |
| 09:12.28 | pmv | jelly-home, find by default does -print |
| 09:12.36 | karbuti | Is there a version of debian without any games in it? |
| 09:12.44 | jelly-home | pmv: indeed, and that is bad. |
| 09:12.50 | pmv | karbuti, you mean fortune et cet? |
| 09:12.59 | pmv | karbuti, or actual games |
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| 09:13.26 | karbuti | i mean the games thet come with debian |
| 09:13.37 | pmv | debian comes with games? |
| 09:13.50 | pmv | in the packages repositories maybe, but not on a base install |
| 09:14.00 | pmv | or if you install gnome/kde maybe |
| 09:14.01 | karbuti | where can i cget a fclean installation of debian? |
| 09:14.17 | pmv | karbuti, use netinstall |
| 09:14.24 | pmv | that way you get only what you need |
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| 09:14.35 | prolix_ | hello debian peoples |
| 09:14.38 | karbuti | but i also want a desktop |
| 09:14.52 | pmv | karbuti, ah. so install xfce after |
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| 09:14.59 | karbuti | pmv: very nice |
| 09:15.01 | pmv | or gnome from scratch, without games |
| 09:15.41 | karbuti | anybody familiar with c++? |
| 09:16.01 | pmv | karbuti, there are c and c++ channels |
| 09:16.13 | prolix_ | the driver for my wireless device says that i need a different kernel. can i sudo apt-get install a different kernel? |
| 09:16.20 | pmv | prolix_, sure |
| 09:16.30 | prolix_ | pmv: is that a sound method? |
| 09:16.38 | prolix_ | pmv: and thank you |
| 09:16.41 | karbuti | i guess i should go to c++ channel |
| 09:16.42 | pmv | prolix_, apt-cache search linux | less for an idea of what is available |
| 09:17.05 | prolix_ | pmv: thank you kindly |
| 09:17.10 | pmv | np |
| 09:17.19 | utrrrongeeb | How do I upgrade to 4.0r3 from 4.0? Is it just upgrading through aptitude, or more? |
| 09:17.30 | batunman | how long do you think it would take to create an operating system? |
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| 09:17.41 | batunman | from scratch |
| 09:17.48 | pmv | batunman, 10 days |
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| 09:17.58 | utrrrongeeb | batunman: Useable, or hello-world? |
| 09:18.03 | pmv | utrrrongeeb, you can do that. it is a matter of changing your apt sources |
| 09:18.06 | batunman | useable |
| 09:18.13 | pmv | oh you are serious? |
| 09:18.14 | pmv | :p |
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| 09:18.27 | utrrrongeeb | pmv: Thanks, what do I change them to? |
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| 09:18.58 | pmv | I do not have a deb box available right here, so you will have to ask someone else, or go to see the online docs |
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| 09:19.42 | utrrrongeeb | pmv: I guess no-one else is listening, but thanks, I'll check online... |
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| 09:20.57 | jim | 3 minutes |
| 09:21.15 | jim | ooh wait, that's for cooking eggs |
| 09:21.28 | pmv | hehe |
| 09:21.43 | pmv | wonder why he wanted to know |
| 09:21.56 | pmv | mebbe he was bored and looking for something to do for the next few years |
| 09:22.04 | jelly-home | utrrrongeeb: 4.0 and 4.0r3 sources are exactly the same |
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| 09:22.39 | utrrrongeeb | jelly-home: But do I just run an upgrade, or is it a dist-upgrade? |
| 09:23.27 | jelly-home | utrrrongeeb: an upgrade will suffice for almost all the packages. kernel is a notable exception |
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| 09:24.06 | utrrrongeeb | jelly-home: Okay, thanks! I'm on dial-up though, so I might not be able to... |
| 09:24.45 | jelly-home | utrrrongeeb: one feature if stable is that the dependencies do not change, so doing upgrade and dist-upgrade almost always results in the same thing |
| 09:24.54 | jelly-home | s/if/of/ |
| 09:25.52 | utrrrongeeb | jelly-home: I assumed something like that... I'm on dial-up, so downloading hundreds of megabytes to discover new ways the programs will crash isn't likely to happen... |
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| 09:26.48 | batunman | is there an ftp channel in this server? |
| 09:27.04 | cafuego | as in a channel for help with ftp? |
| 09:27.11 | batunman | yes |
| 09:27.29 | cafuego | doubts it; ftp on debian? If so, just ask here. |
| 09:28.01 | batunman | the list command doesn't work when i use ftp through telnet |
| 09:28.05 | Administrator_ | utrrrongeeb:maybe apt-get update |
| 09:28.33 | cafuego | batunman: No, ha.... the data gets sent from a different port :-) |
| 09:28.40 | utrrrongeeb | Adminstrator_: Thanks, but I use aptitude. |
| 09:29.07 | jim | aptitude update |
| 09:29.11 | utrrrongeeb | Administrator_: Thanks, but I know - I'm just not likely to use it, being on dial-up. |
| 09:29.16 | batunman | so the client needs to handle the data port? |
| 09:29.42 | cafuego | batunman: Yep... and then there's passive versis non-passive ftp. |
| 09:29.44 | jim | yes |
| 09:29.45 | cafuego | versus |
| 09:30.07 | jim | versus asus! |
| 09:30.14 | cafuego | it's not a straight one on one link |
| 09:30.23 | cafuego | but rather a messy PITA |
| 09:31.24 | cafuego | batunman: In normal FTP, data is sent by the server from port 20 to a randomly selected port on the client, afaik. |
| 09:32.01 | batunman | that makes sense |
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| 09:32.07 | cafuego | batunman: and with passive FTP it's sent from a random high port on the server to a port on the client (but i don't know if that's a random port on the client as well) |
| 09:33.14 | Orion_X11 | How do I purge kde and all its stuff from my machine at once? |
| 09:33.25 | cafuego | Orion_X11: use debfoster |
| 09:33.37 | Orion_X11 | How? |
| 09:33.48 | Orion_X11 | which is the command? |
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| 09:33.51 | cafuego | apt-get install debfoster; debfoster |
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| 09:34.00 | BotaniCar | is this normal :611M /usr/lib |
| 09:34.00 | BotaniCar | 1.7G /usr |
| 09:34.08 | cafuego | select 'p' for any of the KDE packages and its depends |
| 09:34.11 | cafuego | BotaniCar: yup |
| 09:34.32 | BotaniCar | mind if i bug for explanation of what is in those 2 dirs ? |
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| 09:34.48 | cafuego | /usr/lib contains libraries and support files for your apps |
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| 09:35.02 | Osx86 | hi all |
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| 09:35.13 | cafuego | /usr contains that AND documentation and optional sources and binaries etc. |
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| 09:35.29 | cafuego | My /usr/lib is 2GB |
| 09:35.44 | BotaniCar | cafuego: are contens of those dirs "trimable" ? |
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| 09:36.36 | cafuego | BotaniCar: Somewhat, if you never buiold stuff, you can remove any -dev packages that have libs and headers in /usr/lib and /usr/include |
| 09:37.00 | BotaniCar | oh, one more question , is it possible to see if my /mnt is symlinked or something to "/" and it messes du's count ? |
| 09:37.09 | cafuego | BotaniCar: And if you don't care for sample config files and documenation you can trash all of /usr/share/doc |
| 09:37.29 | BotaniCar | apreciated cafuego! |
| 09:37.32 | cafuego | ls -l / will show all symlinks |
| 09:37.56 | batunman | anybody wana do me a favor? |
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| 09:38.35 | BotaniCar | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 1024 2008-01-30 17:05 mnt >> think this meses my "du-h" count |
| 09:39.25 | erik__ | anyone out there can tell me about Linux support for the MSI MoBo K9N SLI and the AMD Athlon 64 X2 processor ? I'm goning to switch Mobo/Proc and am wondering how to do that. Do I need to do a new install of Debina Etch2 , for instance, or can I just plut the old SATA HD in ? |
| 09:39.30 | cafuego | BotaniCar: du -x (skip directories on different file systems) |
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| 09:39.45 | kgoetz | marvell/3com gigabit nics use firmware dont they? |
| 09:40.05 | cafuego | kgoetz: Mine doesn't |
| 09:40.12 | BotaniCar | cafuego: all my disks are on same FS type , would that help ? |
| 09:40.13 | cafuego | Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) |
| 09:40.21 | kgoetz | cafuego: thanks |
| 09:40.36 | cafuego | BotaniCar: No, -x would just not count separate mounts |
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| 09:40.59 | BotaniCar | cafuego: dear God, you dont know how much you helped, i misreaded man page :) |
| 09:41.03 | batunman | anybody here have windows? |
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| 09:41.04 | suppaman | hello |
| 09:41.12 | BotaniCar | cafuego: any similar swich for "df" ? |
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| 09:41.28 | BotaniCar | i have windows, obvious by my questions ! :) |
| 09:41.40 | cafuego | BotaniCar: No, df expressly only lists all mounts points only. |
| 09:42.02 | cafuego | BotaniCar: compare `df' with `mount' |
| 09:42.25 | cafuego | BotaniCar: However, you may find -s to `du' handy. |
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| 09:42.42 | BotaniCar | cafuego: tried it, found it helpfull |
| 09:42.49 | cafuego | BotaniCar: I usually run it as 'du -sh *' on a directory, so it only gives total sizes of these dirs |
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| 09:43.11 | cafuego | batunman: my house has several ;-) |
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| 09:46.02 | batunman | i got the prorat server installed on my system on port 5110 with password 123456 and port open through the firewall |
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| 09:46.15 | BotaniCar | ok, maybe if i elaborate my problem better you can help me better : http://pastebin.com/m30a68b85 |
| 09:46.34 | batunman | wana see what its like when a client connects |
| 09:47.06 | batunman | my ip is 71.155.235.247 with no nat. direct ip |
| 09:47.18 | batunman | get the prorat client from prorat.net |
| 09:47.36 | batunman | and fuc' up my comp if interested |
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| 09:49.30 | batunman | i only got the basic windows firewall and its disabled |
| 09:50.09 | erik__ | is there a special kernel for the AMD 64 X2 ? |
| 09:50.11 | cafuego | BotaniCar: So what's the problem, exactly? |
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| 09:50.26 | cafuego | erik__: No, just the generic one |
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| 09:51.00 | BotaniCar | cafuego: cant determine what filled space there , it's a fresh debian install with /home from old server and /mnt with 110Gb of data |
| 09:51.24 | cafuego | BotaniCar: oh yes, i see. |
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| 09:51.39 | cafuego | BotaniCar: du -shx / |
| 09:51.50 | BotaniCar | gimmea sec to run it, please |
| 09:51.53 | batunman | whats a good ide when programming in c++ in debian? |
| 09:52.02 | cafuego | sorry, du -shx /* |
| 09:52.02 | BotaniCar | "200m /" |
| 09:52.42 | BotaniCar | cafuego: http://pastebin.com/m1b3ed688 |
| 09:52.49 | BotaniCar | scroll to bottom |
| 09:52.50 | jim | some people say debian itself (or whatever, redhat, slackware, linux in general) is a good de |
| 09:53.34 | cafuego | 31Mb /boot 141Mb /lib 3.7Mb /sbin |
| 09:53.46 | cafuego | 21Mb /etc and 5.1Mb /bin |
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| 09:53.50 | batunman | does debian come with a c++ compiler? |
| 09:54.07 | cafuego | !31+141+4+21+5 |
| 09:54.07 | jim | gcc |
| 09:54.07 | dpkg | 202 |
| 09:54.15 | cafuego | There ya go |
| 09:54.27 | BotaniCar | cafuego: it's on a 250Gb disc, numbers don't mach |
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| 09:54.36 | jim | if you double that, it's hard to find |
| 09:54.47 | cafuego | BotaniCar: sda1 is a 256Mb partition |
| 09:55.07 | BotaniCar | ./bang head against wall |
| 09:55.33 | BotaniCar | cafuego:right you are, all i have to do now is find a lad that designed initial setup and headshot him |
| 09:55.41 | cafuego | jim: if you subtract one, you're not allowed to find it |
| 09:55.51 | BotaniCar | cafuego: i suppose there is a way to resize that partition ? |
| 09:56.06 | cafuego | BotaniCar: you should be able to turn / into /boot and /home into / with *relative* ease :-) |
| 09:56.09 | BotaniCar | cafuego: or trim "/boot" size * |
| 09:56.57 | cafuego | Remove some kernels? yeah... bot /etc WILL grow |
| 09:57.24 | BotaniCar | cafuego: *relative* .. i am ,at this point, thinking of shuting server down, doing a real partition layout design and doing a fresh install with mounted data transfered to backup server for time beeing |
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| 09:58.03 | batunman | how come i haven't gotten any virus even though i got windows, with no anti-virus, only the basic windows firewall? |
| 09:58.26 | BotaniCar | batunman: how would you know you don't have a virus if you have no AV ? |
| 09:58.41 | suppaman | batunman: maybe you have and you just don't know |
| 09:58.45 | cafuego | BotaniCar: Offhand, my normal layout these days is 12GB / and the rest of whatever disk I'm using as LVM fopr whatever takes my fancy, if I should need to move /var from / I can always symlink it to a directory on LVM or raid. |
| 09:59.02 | batunman | i dont know exactly but i dont get any problems like not being able to restart |
| 09:59.07 | cafuego | batunman: ##windows would be the place to ask, we use Linux. |
| 09:59.16 | suppaman | batunman: but you're not sure someone isn't using your CC number |
| 09:59.24 | batunman | maybe i have one of those nasty rootkits |
| 09:59.45 | batunman | whats cc number? |
| 09:59.51 | BotaniCar | cafuego: i am thinking of leaving raid part as it is , doing a fresh install of system disc , and redoing mdadm, that should be fairly quick since server is not user loaded yet |
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| 10:00.26 | cafuego | BotaniCar: true |
| 10:00.37 | suppaman | batunman: anyway just FIY once I installed xp and went out to lunch, the XP disc hadn't still Sp1. The installer did its work, reboot the computer (who was accidently connected to the ethernet) and when I came from lunch it had one of those worm32 things |
| 10:00.57 | BotaniCar | well, that's what it'll be .. i'll still shoot the original layout "designer" |
| 10:00.59 | suppaman | batunman: cc is credit card |
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| 10:01.10 | BotaniCar | cafuego: thank you for your help once again |
| 10:01.21 | cafuego | np |
| 10:01.45 | batunman | i dont have any personal info on my pc so i guess i dont care |
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| 10:02.03 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 10:02.10 | cafuego | goes to twiddle with a new svn inkscape |
| 10:02.14 | batunman | when i need to use my cc i do a clean install of debian, use my cc and then go back to windows |
| 10:02.15 | Rapp | does anybody know if and how icedove supports maildir? |
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| 10:04.18 | batunman | i have a dell 9300 laptop and there are three status lights on the right side. the middle light makes a lot of noise. is that noise from the processer? anybody know? |
| 10:04.49 | Rapp | batunman, i would guess harddisk... |
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| 10:09.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just a quick question, I forgot the format used to log in to SSH on a remote computer that has a different username than yours. is it ssh username@ip.add.res.s? Or how was it again? |
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| 10:10.24 | idimmu | thats correct |
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| 10:10.54 | suppaman | Dark_Apostrophe: or you can use -l username host |
| 10:11.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | suppaman: so ssh -l username ip.add.re.ss? |
| 10:11.36 | suppaman | that's it man |
| 10:11.44 | Element14 | Dark_Apostrophe: username@host.name works too (and moreconsitently) |
| 10:11.49 | Element14 | consistently* |
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| 10:12.15 | suppaman | obviously if you're using that often best thing is use .ssh/config |
| 10:12.18 | Coke | Hello. I have a problem with ifconfig, ifup and ifdown. I've always considered them somewhat broken and now is just one of those occations. I execute ifdown eth0, but eth0 is still there when I run ifconfig. Sometimes it lingers for 10-20 minutes. How can I shut down an interface immediately without reboot? |
| 10:12.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Element14: There is no hostname, just IP |
| 10:12.30 | Element14 | Dark_Apostrophe: same. |
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| 10:13.00 | BotaniCar | Coke: tried pulling cable out ? :) (if the box is near) , results are same :) |
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| 10:13.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Woohoo, it worked |
| 10:13.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks, guys |
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| 10:16.49 | erik__ | can I switch from a single-boot Etch2 sytem with WinXP in a VMware VM, to a dual-boot with Etch2 and WinXP, without having to reinstall Etch ? (of course I'll have to redo WinXP). How do I do that ? Any howto known ? |
| 10:17.50 | BotaniCar | you can make a XP partititon, install XP and repair grub/lilo after |
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| 10:24.13 | master_alvaro | ÐÑивеÑ/Salut/Ahola/Hello/CzeÅÄ |
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| 10:33.20 | ronr | hi, how well does debian work on a tablet laptop (ie. toshiba protege m700-123)? |
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| 10:35.26 | Orion_X11 | How do I purge kde session from gdm? |
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| 10:36.26 | Orion_X11 | I have purged all kde aps but kde is still showed up in gdm :-( |
| 10:36.36 | master_alvaro | ronr: check similar hardware on http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html |
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| 10:38.01 | master_alvaro | why there aren't gnome 2.20 in debian (testing/sid)? i found only few packages from 2.20 in sid |
| 10:38.19 | master_alvaro | sry for my bad English, but it isn't my native language |
| 10:38.28 | ronr | master_alvaro: thx |
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| 10:39.18 | krinns | hi all |
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| 10:39.42 | master_alvaro | hello |
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| 10:41.09 | liable | master_alvaro: its prolly making its way there from experimental.. |
| 10:41.12 | master_alvaro | ronr: plz see this article [EN]: http://polishlinux.org/choose/laptop/ |
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| 10:41.48 | master_alvaro | liable: whats mean "prolly"? |
| 10:41.56 | liable | master_alvaro: probably |
| 10:42.02 | master_alvaro | o, thx |
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| 10:48.30 | alex12 | what would be a straight foward way to get samba booting up at reboot? |
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| 10:48.49 | aqualuk | hi |
| 10:48.57 | dellserver | hi |
| 10:49.01 | aqualuk | i'm running debian lenny and i've a question |
| 10:49.06 | aqualuk | can somebody tell me |
| 10:49.09 | alex12 | !ask |
| 10:49.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:49.27 | aqualuk | how i can controll libopensync0 via shell or gnome-gui |
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| 10:50.05 | aqualuk | which package do i have to install? |
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| 10:50.15 | xand | !search |
| 10:50.16 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 10:50.31 | liable | what does that lib do? |
| 10:50.46 | liable | explain a little more what you are trying to achieve |
| 10:51.25 | zamba | when using ipmasq, how can i remove ALL other rules besides the ones used for masquerading? |
| 10:51.29 | aqualuk | i want to sync evolution with google calendar |
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| 10:52.01 | aqualuk | i use multisync to sync evolution with my cell phone but multisync has no plugin for google calendar |
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| 10:52.04 | liable | aqualuk: your probably best off asking that on a gnome channel. irc.gnome.net iirc |
| 10:52.15 | aqualuk | and my cell phone doesn't work with opensync |
| 10:52.34 | aqualuk | i don't need a gnome gui, i can use shell commands too |
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| 10:53.01 | aqualuk | but i don't know which shell commands and if i need a package to can use shell commands |
| 10:53.52 | ghio | hello, quick issue on debian etch 4 |
| 10:54.10 | cusco | thing is we don't know any shell commands that do what you want.. so you probably want to fill in a feature request |
| 10:54.18 | ghio | system: e8200/ 4gb RAM/ 1GB Eth |
| 10:54.25 | ghio | installed shoutcast |
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| 10:54.36 | SlayerXP | ghio: use punctuation, not the return key |
| 10:54.42 | cusco | how quick issue? |
| 10:54.57 | ghio | but it is accepting only 1016 connections |
| 10:55.10 | moshii | Is there some way with ipv4 of advertising routes that debian/windows clients can use? |
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| 10:55.21 | douglas | What's the package for virt-install? |
| 10:55.24 | douglas | on debian |
| 10:55.27 | aqualuk | what's a feature request? (sorry my english isn't perfekt ;) ) |
| 10:55.49 | ndee | hi there, how can I set the umask for a user? or is that a system-wide setting? |
| 10:55.49 | SlayerXP | ghio: please state your debian-specific question after the tone. *beeep* |
| 10:55.54 | cusco | aqualuk: is some how you contact the developer team and ask them to add an option to sycn with google callendar |
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| 10:56.26 | aqualuk | cusco: ehm i think multisync is out of development |
| 10:56.40 | ghio | why my debian is accepting on the shoutcast server only 1016 listeners if i set the maximum number to 5000? |
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| 10:56.56 | douglas | What's the package for virt-install? |
| 10:57.01 | moshii | ghio: do you have enough resources? |
| 10:57.07 | moshii | douglas: apt-cache search |
| 10:57.12 | ghio | oh yes |
| 10:57.18 | ghio | no bandwidth limit |
| 10:57.22 | moshii | douglas: packages.debian.org |
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| 10:57.48 | moshii | ghio: could be an fd limit or something? you have tried a quick google right? |
| 10:58.05 | ghio | you're the last solution, i 'll go crazy |
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| 10:59.56 | moshii | ghio: I know that tor, the giftd and things like that bump the fd limit up from the default 1024 or something otherwise you won't be able to open > 1024 sockets. |
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| 11:01.52 | ghio | how should i change the fd limit? |
| 11:02.30 | moshii | ghio: ulimit |
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| 11:02.46 | ShredZ | I get an error on apt saying some package needs to be reinstalled but no archive found. Even when I just try to remove it (it's unneeded). How do I get rid of it ? (-f didn't do it) |
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| 11:03.00 | ghio | ~# ulimit |
| 11:03.00 | ghio | unlimited |
| 11:04.09 | moshii | ghio: has to be for the shell spawning the server |
| 11:04.26 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'openacs' returned no results. |
| 11:04.35 | moshii | ghio: and it's just a guess. |
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| 11:04.36 | t04no | how are foomatic, hplip and cups connected in debian ? |
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| 11:05.09 | jaggy- | my left-arrow key repeats automatically even when I let it go. |
| 11:05.43 | jaggy- | while I hold it down it doesn't do it -- only when I let it go. Something's weird. |
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| 11:07.14 | jaggy- | any idears? |
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| 11:08.11 | moshii | ghio: reading a page about extreme load testing the icecast server,.. it does seem you have to bump the fd limit up, the default is 1024. |
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| 11:09.36 | ghio | it's shoutcast and it seems to be no limit at all, what else should i check, please? |
| 11:10.17 | moshii | ghio: can you run the server in the foreground? |
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| 11:10.22 | flosch | hi all |
| 11:10.41 | ghio | yes, why? |
| 11:10.53 | flosch | i installed mysql from debian etch, but the engine InnoDB seems to be disabled ... there's no "skip-innodb" in the my.cnf ... does anyone know how to activate innodb? |
| 11:11.26 | moshii | ghio: run it in the foreground and see what it says when you connect lots of clients. I bet it can't open any more sockets |
| 11:11.56 | gynterk | is it possible to convert wma to ogg with lossless |
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| 11:12.54 | cafuego | gynterk: Both are lossy formats, so no. |
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| 11:13.38 | gynterk | so basically if I want to convert from wma to ogg I still lose quality in this conversion? |
| 11:14.04 | SlimeyPete | that's correct. |
| 11:14.20 | gynterk | hmm |
| 11:14.20 | ghio | moshii: sometimes it says this... <03/25/08@13:13:57> [yp_tch] error creating socket! |
| 11:14.45 | moshii | ghio: exactly what I thought |
| 11:14.59 | gynterk | but if I convert wma to wav and wav to ogg ? |
| 11:15.21 | SlimeyPete | still lossy. |
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| 11:15.36 | SlimeyPete | ogg is a lossy format. You will *always* lose some quality. |
| 11:15.41 | ghio | moshii: in ulimit it says unlimited |
| 11:15.49 | SlimeyPete | no matter what metho youD[D[D[Dd use |
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| 11:16.05 | moshii | gynterk: the original data has been lost from converting from the original format to a lossy one |
| 11:16.19 | gynterk | yes |
| 11:16.22 | gynterk | i know that |
| 11:16.31 | gynterk | but do I lose more data when converting from wma to ogg? |
| 11:16.35 | moshii | ghio: it will be 1024,... unlimited would be a security nightmare |
| 11:16.37 | gynterk | i can't understand that |
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| 11:17.09 | moshii | gynterk: the ogg encoder needs all the information to create a decent lossy version |
| 11:17.19 | SlimeyPete | gynterk: they use different algorithms, so each will chop out different parts of the data |
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| 11:18.26 | moshii | gynterk: the codecs work by striping out frequencies,.. you need all the frequencies to be there for the encoder to work properly. |
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| 11:19.02 | gynterk | so basically converting wma to ogg isn't good idea? |
| 11:19.09 | master_alvaro | i'm looking for command, which searchig bad sectors on disk (all disk, not partition) |
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| 11:19.51 | moshii | gynterk: not if you care about quality, if your media player won't play a certain format you have no choice |
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| 11:20.06 | ghio | moshii: why isn't opening more sockets? how can i fix this? |
| 11:20.11 | gynterk | well my mediaplayer should, but my xubuntu doesn't |
| 11:20.12 | gynterk | k thanks |
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| 11:20.56 | moshii | ghio: everything in unix is a file, even network sockets, if your process is limited to 1024 open files you can only have 1024 open files/sockets |
| 11:21.43 | ghio | moshii: ooook, thanks, i'll search for the misterious file |
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| 11:21.50 | moshii | gynterk: this is #debian, and any distro should be able to play wma with the right stuff installed. but you'll have to ask the xubuntu people about that |
| 11:22.20 | moshii | ghio: i think if you do ulimit -n 6000 && shoutcast or something it'll work. |
| 11:22.33 | tayssir | Hi! My /etc/mysql/my.cnf file says "Error logging goes to syslog. This is a Debian improvement :)" But tail'ing /var/log/syslog doesn't show me any authentication errors. Am I supposed to look elsewhere for the error output, or do something different? |
| 11:23.50 | moshii | ghio: you may find there is a setting inside the init script for it too.. there is for tor at least |
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| 11:25.20 | tayssir | Ah, someone mentions /var/log/daemon.log... |
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| 11:26.36 | ghio | moshii: Thank You! |
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| 11:28.09 | Waistless | I've got a few questions regarding debian installation. Is it possible to use the minimal boot CD with wireless? |
| 11:28.16 | pmv | why not? |
| 11:28.23 | pmv | oh, wait |
| 11:28.43 | pmv | on second thought, dunno if it has drivers built in |
| 11:28.55 | pmv | that is doubtful |
| 11:29.09 | Waistless | Would you know if the first full debian CD has the wireless drivers? |
| 11:29.12 | moshii | Waistless: depends what chipset |
| 11:29.17 | Waistless | then i'd be able to install the basics and do the rest over the network |
| 11:29.20 | moshii | Waistless: but doubtful |
| 11:29.56 | moshii | Waistless: use a cd with the basics on and install from there? get the 150mb image and not the tiny tiny one |
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| 11:31.07 | Waistless | I'm asking would it be possible to install it over wireless using the 150MB image or the first CD (700mb)? |
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| 11:32.00 | moshii | Waistless: it depends on what chipset, many wireless chipsets don't have drivers, have drivers that are non-free, require non-free firmware etc etc |
| 11:32.05 | diabel | I've got a stupid question |
| 11:32.07 | diabel | for example if I say at this channel "slackware rlz" or something like that, what reaction I may expectd ? |
| 11:32.07 | Waistless | hmm.. |
| 11:32.11 | Waistless | ok thanks moshii |
| 11:32.24 | moshii | diabel: you'll get /ignore |
| 11:32.27 | Waistless | mine doesn't use ndiswrapper (i'm fairly certain), so would it be included then? |
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| 11:32.51 | pmv | Waistless, try |
| 11:32.53 | diabel | moshii: mhm, thanks :) |
| 11:32.57 | moshii | Waistless: you need to tell us exactly what one it is. It's not something that we can just guess |
| 11:33.13 | Waistless | how good is D-Link in terms of support? |
| 11:33.14 | moshii | Waistless: lspci output for example would be handy |
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| 11:34.08 | moshii | Waistless: it's not really the brand, you need to know what's inside. Dlink cards of the same model have had some wildly different parts inside from my experience. |
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| 11:34.34 | Waistless | hmm ok |
| 11:35.42 | moshii | Waistless: if you have the first cd you wouldn't need anything else to install a base system though |
| 11:35.54 | Waistless | I see |
| 11:36.00 | moshii | Waistless: you'll probably need a wired connection to get your wireless one working though |
| 11:36.14 | Waistless | i just wanted a generic idea on what drivers would be on each CD |
| 11:36.32 | Waistless | depends I suppose, Ubuntu follows free software guidelines as strictly as debian right? |
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| 11:36.53 | moshii | Waistless: etch will have all the drivers that are shipped with linux 2.6.18, maybe some extra's but not many if any |
| 11:36.56 | Waistless | wireless was working but default on 7.04 and 7.10, so I can assume it's using free drivers |
| 11:37.03 | Waistless | by* default |
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| 11:37.23 | moshii | Waistless: we don't support ubuntu. you need to ask them what crap they include |
| 11:37.30 | Waistless | i know |
| 11:38.00 | Waistless | but if they use the same free software guidelines and it's by default then I should be able to see them on Debian, good enough guess? |
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| 11:38.12 | moshii | Waistless: you have to also think about all the tools you'd need aside from drivers to setup a wireless connection. it's a nightmare |
| 11:38.22 | Waistless | I agree^ |
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| 11:38.54 | Waistless | problem is this is a stationary computer, i'm too lazy to move it to a wired connection :P |
| 11:39.03 | moshii | Waistless: using the thing once you have an os installed is a bit different to installing via it. ubuntu doesn't do netinstalls as care as I care to look. |
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| 11:39.25 | Waistless | yea i know what you're saying |
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| 11:39.55 | moshii | Waistless: once you have a base debian system installed, give us the output of lspci here and we'll tell you what you need. Simple as that |
| 11:40.10 | Waistless | ok |
| 11:41.29 | Waistless | i've tried out these net tools (mainly wpa_supplicant) when i was trying to get the wireless on sabayon linux to work, refused to actually see any sort of wireless networks anyway (gave up on it anyway cos' of it's ridiculous package management) |
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| 11:42.24 | moshii | I use the kde frontend for networkmanager, works like a champ here. |
| 11:42.39 | Waistless | that's the very thing that didn't work first up :@ |
| 11:43.26 | moshii | Waistless: no one said it would be easy ;) |
| 11:43.30 | Waistless | yes |
| 11:43.33 | Waistless | :P |
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| 11:44.14 | Waistless | I don't know what they were thinking when they created sabayon linux anyway, it's a usability trap |
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| 11:46.11 | steph33560 | Hi all :) |
| 11:46.22 | Waistless | hello |
| 11:47.00 | moshii | mm my auto screen irssi script works too well it seems |
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| 11:52.09 | Waistless | haha wow. I just realised now debian is using 2.6.18, I look at it after using ubuntu and think "wow, that's ancient". Maybe I should using Debian testing just to ensure the wireless driver is there :P |
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| 11:54.25 | moshii | Waistless: wireless driver is probably an external driver, which is more likely to build against 2.6.18 |
| 11:54.44 | TZander | hi all. I found something weird; myspell-nb is available in stable and in unstable, but not in testing. Whats up with that? Mistake? |
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| 11:57.17 | moshii | TZander: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
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| 12:00.45 | TZander | moshii: thanks,interresting page :) |
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| 12:02.18 | ronr | are there any backport packages for debian stable php5? backports.org doesn't seem to have any |
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| 12:06.07 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 12:06.14 | Ace2016 | i need a little help |
| 12:06.35 | Ace2016 | my xfs is erroring out when i check it, what should i do? |
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| 12:06.42 | Ace2016 | The system seems to run perfectly |
| 12:06.48 | Ace2016 | but fsck on boot errors out |
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| 12:08.08 | Almathea | is there a way to get a list of packages installed on a given box? I don't mean all packages, but packages I specificly typed in command line to be installed. |
| 12:09.01 | ronr | Almathea: as far as debian is concerned those packages are exactly the same as any other installed |
| 12:09.31 | ronr | Almathea: if you installed the box very recently you may be able to fetch that info from the .bash_history file in your homedir |
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| 12:09.54 | Ace2016 | or are you just after a list of all installed packages? |
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| 12:12.36 | Almathea | No, only those I specificly called. |
| 12:12.46 | Almathea | But thanks, for clearing that out, ronr. |
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| 12:15.00 | Ace2016 | oh i didn't read the question :( |
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| 12:15.25 | crumblenaut | how can i tell if mysqli extensions are enabled on my MySQL 5.0 server? |
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| 12:17.29 | stevem | Anyone know what package locate and updatedb commands are in? for some odd reason I don't have them |
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| 12:17.39 | berzerka | isn't there a distinction between packages which were installed directly and those which were installed "only to satisfy dependencies"? i thought apt would remove the latter, if the packages are removed which pulled them in in the first place. |
| 12:18.03 | berzerka | i guess there must be a way to query this.. |
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| 12:20.48 | Chewie-na-Baka | hello! |
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| 12:22.59 | Chewie-na-Baka | anybody home? |
| 12:23.28 | Ace2016 | stevem: search packages.debian.org |
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| 12:26.01 | moshii | Chewie-na-Baka: no. |
| 12:26.10 | Chewie-na-Baka | :) |
| 12:26.29 | Chewie-na-Baka | you do know who chewie na baka is do not you? |
| 12:26.52 | moshii | some sort of bad japanese speaking person? |
| 12:27.02 | Chewie-na-Baka | lol |
| 12:27.18 | Chewie-na-Baka | chewbacca! |
| 12:27.19 | maligor | how odd, matchbox is leaving me with defunct processes on process exit |
| 12:27.21 | pmv | I think you mean chewie no baka |
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| 12:28.04 | moshii | wonders what chewie would japan-ise to |
| 12:28.22 | Chewie-na-Baka | lol i might get offtopic |
| 12:28.22 | moshii | chuii probs |
| 12:28.45 | Chewie-na-Baka | do you love star wars? |
| 12:29.09 | moshii | goes to lunch |
| 12:30.51 | Chewie-na-Baka | lol |
| 12:31.20 | maligor | chew well |
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| 12:33.25 | Chewie-na-Baka | hehehe you understand ? |
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| 12:40.07 | vvd | what is the simplest httpd? i just need to server some pictures, no scripting or anything |
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| 12:40.52 | mquin | vvd: try thttpd |
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| 12:43.56 | gynterk | someone knows a console torrent client ? |
| 12:44.03 | joltcan | gynterk: rtorrent |
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| 12:44.32 | vvd | rtorrent ftw :) |
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| 13:00.12 | wald0 | i need that a user read the messages of a dmesg (from a command), what is the better way to have permission to read logs ? |
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| 13:13.17 | alex12 | would anyone know why, or give clues, as to why suddenly after a simple system restart, one of my dual head monitors number 2 - suddenly switches from the default resolution of, 1920x1200 to 1600x1200 .... when i havent even changed my xorg.conf or drivers or whatever ....... both screens were running fine in dual head spanning desktop, both running 1920x1200 - and now 1920x1200 and 1600x1200 ?????? - xorg.conf looks perfectly fine.... |
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| 13:16.35 | ccvp | Hello fellow internet addicts, are we all looking forward to another LONG & GLORIOUS day of irc/internet addiction? :) |
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| 13:17.54 | WormFood | ccvp, this is the end of my day, it is after 9pm here :P |
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| 13:18.21 | ccvp | heh |
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| 13:21.33 | alex12 | would anyone know why, with a perfectly working xorg conf, posted at: http://dpaste.com/41169/ -- would then, after a system reboot, suddenly make screen1 - only run at 1600x1200 and not 1920x1200 .... ? xorg.conf hasnt changed for months, and drivers havent changed either. would someone care to explain why one of my monitors run at 1920x1200 , while the other 1600 x 1200? |
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| 13:22.36 | WormFood | alex12, the only think I can think of would be that maybe the monitor returned bad or wrong DCC info, and X11 decided to change the resolution for you. |
| 13:22.42 | Lewoco | Why does aptitude always complain about untrusted services? |
| 13:22.59 | alex12 | WormFood, when its been working perfectly for months? |
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| 13:23.02 | abrotman | Lewoco: /topic |
| 13:23.33 | WormFood | alex12, I've seen weird hardware problems like that happen before |
| 13:23.53 | abrotman | alex12: check your X log for hints |
| 13:24.04 | WormFood | did you try rebooting? (pretending it is windows *evin grin*) |
| 13:24.28 | WormFood | maybe the DCC response from the monitor slipped a bit |
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| 13:25.16 | WormFood | I turn off DCC personally, because my monitor will do resolutions higher than what it reports, and getting X11 to go to the resolution I want is like trying to crawl through your own asshole. |
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| 13:26.25 | zyx386 | hi |
| 13:26.27 | jetscreamer | me i just insert the proper x&h rates and it 'just works'(tm) like it should.. the autodetect kinda sucks. |
| 13:26.59 | jetscreamer | it still thinks it can't do 1280x1024 though unless i tell it it can |
| 13:27.12 | zyx386 | how can i conect to internet with Huawei E220 modem, i try gnome-ppp :(? |
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| 13:28.33 | wald0 | i need that a user read the messages of a dmesg (from a command), what is the better way to have permission to read logs ? |
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| 13:29.53 | zyx386 | can every one help ? |
| 13:30.03 | abrotman | everyone? |
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| 13:30.17 | abrotman | wald0: a normal user can run "demsg" |
| 13:30.19 | zyx386 | yes |
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| 13:35.41 | asohmestr | when installing python packages, I often see this message: INFO: using old version '/usr/bin/python2.3' |
| 13:36.09 | asohmestr | update-alternatives --config python doesn't let me configure anything |
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| 13:36.27 | asohmestr | and /usr/bin/python pointos to python2.4 anyway |
| 13:36.53 | asohmestr | how do I avoid having python packages use python2.3? |
| 13:36.59 | jetscreamer | !hp |
| 13:36.59 | dpkg | well, hp is at http://www.hp.com/pressrel/jun99/21jun99g.htm, or *the* original brown sauce from 1889. See: http://www.higherdesign.com/brownsauce/hpsauce.htm. Hewlett Packard, maker of calculators and printers and computers and other silicon goodness |
| 13:37.10 | jetscreamer | !hplip |
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| 13:38.05 | jetscreamer | !hplip is <reply> site at http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html |
| 13:38.06 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 13:38.06 | abrotman | asohmestr: ls -l `which python` |
| 13:38.20 | jetscreamer | err |
| 13:38.46 | asohmestr | abrotman: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2007-10-17 20:16 /usr/bin/python -> python2.4 |
| 13:39.10 | rdz | hi all. i have a ps-file in A5 format. how can i upscale it to A4? |
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| 13:39.49 | cheekee | I am trying to mount and write to an NTFS USB drive. I see that the package ntfs-3g is not in the library. Do I need it? Or does ntfsprogs do the job? |
| 13:40.27 | jetscreamer | dpkg no, hplip is <reply> HPLIP is an HP developed solution for printing, scanning, and faxing with HP inkjet and laser based printers in Linux. supported device list can be found at http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html |
| 13:40.27 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 13:40.57 | jetscreamer | yes you need ntfs-3g for writing, just read ntfs is fine |
| 13:40.57 | Laser | printers... |
| 13:41.29 | asohmestr | this box was, I think, originally sarge, then upgraded to etch, and now has been running lenny |
| 13:42.19 | jetscreamer | dpkg no, hplip is <reply> HPLIP is an HP developed solution for printing, scanning, and faxing with HP inkjet and laser based printers in Linux. A list of supported devices can be found at http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html |
| 13:42.20 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 13:42.33 | abrotman | asohmestr: is there another python symlink somewhere? |
| 13:42.44 | cheekee | jetscreamer: ok thanks!so I have to look for the library that has ntfs-3g |
| 13:42.44 | abrotman | asohmestr: or you could just purge python2.3 completely :) |
| 13:43.05 | jetscreamer | or do the alternatives thing maybe? |
| 13:43.58 | abrotman | jetscreamer: chances are .. if asohmestr is on lenny, nothing should be using python2.3 anymore |
| 13:44.19 | asohmestr | abrotman: yeah, maybe I'll do that. I'm just curious where that is coming from, and why. |
| 13:44.53 | wald0 | abrotman: i use "tail -f" so dmesg is not effective.. i need to read directly the file, like: tail -f /var/log/dmesg | while read -r ; do [[ $REPLY = "bar" ]] && echo yes ; done |
| 13:45.14 | abrotman | wald0: are you looking for a certain line ? |
| 13:45.23 | jetscreamer | yeah that's a point |
| 13:45.48 | wald0 | abrotman: yes, im searching a line that if is matched, send a warning message to the user |
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| 13:46.28 | abrotman | wald0: dmesg | tail -10 | grep <line you want> | HI |
| 13:46.54 | abrotman | wald0: how much do you want them to be able to read .. you could stick them in the adm group |
| 13:47.39 | wald0 | abrotman: the idea is that be a daemon "listening" the messages (waiting that it appears), adm group ? let me see... |
| 13:47.51 | jetscreamer | i can't help but wonder if AfterDeath hangs out with AfterBirth |
| 13:48.01 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 13:48.05 | jetscreamer | lookie what i found |
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| 13:49.38 | asohmestr | abrotman: david@zepto:~$ sudo find / -wholename '*/bin/python' |xargs -i^^ ls -l '^^' |
| 13:49.38 | asohmestr | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2007-10-17 20:16 /usr/bin/python -> python2.4 |
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| 13:49.59 | phlax | hi - after a fresh install of etch(amd64) using raid1 with a few separate partitions things did not work correctly and the box failed to boot. Im pretty sure that the problem is that the UUIDs in mdadm.conf are wrong. If the first array is composed of /dev/sd{ab}1 - should i use the UUID for /dev/sda1,sdb1, or md0 in the ARRAY line? |
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| 13:50.36 | Younix | hmm |
| 13:50.42 | Younix | anyone used vnc on linux? |
| 13:50.51 | felix_da_catz | Is there a reason why my Load would be all 0's in top? |
| 13:50.58 | Justin | asohmestr: sudo find / -wholename '*/bin/python' -ls |
| 13:51.05 | asohmestr | ah, I bet it just attempts to install the package in every available python. |
| 13:51.10 | wald0 | abrotman: after to add the user to the adm group, i can't still reading it |
| 13:51.16 | chops | phlax: I believe the UUID is specific to the array, not to any particular volume |
| 13:51.41 | asohmestr | If that's the case, then just purging 2.3 is the only way to go |
| 13:51.49 | phlax | chops: how do i find the correct UUID, is it the vol_id for /dev/md0 |
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| 13:52.08 | abrotman | wald0: did you logout/login ? |
| 13:52.37 | asohmestr | yeah, that's what it was. |
| 13:52.54 | asohmestr | thanx folks. |
| 13:52.58 | WormFood | what do I need to do to get my prism54g card to work with debian? I need firmware or something for it? |
| 13:53.02 | asohmestr | tips his cap |
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| 13:53.54 | Justin | WormFood: does it not work? |
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| 13:54.11 | WormFood | if it worked I wouldn't be asking :P |
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| 13:54.26 | WormFood | 0000:02:02.0 (prism54pci): cannot find firmware (isl3886) |
| 13:54.26 | WormFood | prism54pci: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -2 |
| 13:54.38 | Justin | !+find isl3886 |
| 13:54.39 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 13:55.08 | chops | phlax: mdadm -E /dev/sda1 |
| 13:55.39 | chops | phlax: Or if you have the array assembled, you can use 'mdadm -Q /dev/md0'... but I assume that if it were assembled you wouldn't be asking these questions :-) |
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| 13:57.05 | phlax | chops: i have assembled it manually from a sysrescuecd - ill try out using the -E flag and see if thats the problem. |
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| 13:57.41 | Justin | WormFood: well, it seems if you can just find that isl3886 file and stick it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, it should work |
| 13:57.43 | chops | phlax: What I mean is that mdadm -E will tell you what the UUID is for the RAID device that /dev/sda1 is a part of |
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| 13:58.03 | WormFood | where do I find that file? I can't seem to find it with my google searches |
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| 13:58.38 | shabble | is there a way to specify "route default dev ethXXX" from /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 13:58.41 | phlax | chops: it may be the UUID - it maybe that i need to add a devices= to my ARRAY line - thanx |
| 13:58.59 | shabble | teh only option I can find in hte manpage lets you set a default gateway, but not a device |
| 13:59.18 | chops | phlax: If you can't get it working, describe exactly what it's doing here; people may be able to help you. |
| 13:59.21 | chops | phlax: Good luck |
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| 14:00.03 | Younix | i keep getting this error when I start x: xauth: error in locking authority file /home/bradley/.Xauthority |
| 14:00.04 | chops | shabble: Do you have multiple devices that route to the same address range, but only one of which can communicate with the gateway? That seems... complex. :-) |
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| 14:00.46 | shabble | chops: xen :) |
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| 14:01.31 | shabble | it's a domU which has multiple interfaces, one of which is real public routable, the other is internal. |
| 14:01.34 | chops | shabble: You may want to set up your routing from a custom script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ rather than playing with interfaces then (I'm not familiar with a way to do what you're describing from interfaces, though I won't swear it can't be done). |
| 14:01.38 | shabble | and the default route is getting set to the internal one |
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| 14:01.49 | kekko | anyone using lenny? |
| 14:01.50 | chops | shabble: Are they in the same address range? |
| 14:01.55 | shabble | no |
| 14:01.55 | chops | kekko: Yes. Many people. |
| 14:02.21 | kekko | chops: well yes, guess so. Is it ok or it's really quite buggy? |
| 14:02.25 | chops | shabble: You should only specify 'gateway' for one interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:02.38 | kekko | chops: i mean, for a laptop installtion.. |
| 14:02.39 | chops | kekko: In general it's okay, but sometimes not. Same as testing always is :-) |
| 14:02.41 | shabble | the internal one is routable via a bunch of NAT filth, but the default should be the external |
| 14:02.46 | shabble | chops: hmm, good point. |
| 14:02.49 | shabble | investigates |
| 14:03.10 | abrotman | kekko: i use it on my laptop .. it's mostly okay |
| 14:03.20 | kekko | thanks abrotman.. |
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| 14:03.36 | chops | shabble: Specify one gateway in /etc/network/interfaces, specify it on the interface which you want to be used for the default route, and make sure that it's an IP address that's actually reachable via the parameters you set on that interface. |
| 14:04.41 | shabble | the thing is, I'm not exactly sure what the ext. interface gateway *is*, just that setting the default route to exit on that interface works. |
| 14:04.59 | chops | shabble: ... |
| 14:05.40 | shabble | the old Someone Elses Network problem... |
| 14:06.03 | chops | shabble: Your computer needs to know the gateway. There's no "send to no one in particular via this interface" entry possible in the routing table... |
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| 14:06.51 | shabble | chops: "0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1" |
| 14:07.00 | abrotman | what's the UG line? |
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| 14:07.21 | shabble | which is created by "route add default dev eth1" |
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| 14:07.36 | krizx | hi |
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| 14:07.41 | chops | shabble: Can you pastebin a full 'route -n' when you've set up the routing to work (by hand)? |
| 14:07.45 | shabble | and somehow magically works. I'm not entirely sure what it's doing, since what you said is what I thought too |
| 14:07.48 | shabble | chops: sure |
| 14:08.27 | shabble | chops: http://pastie.caboo.se/170254 |
| 14:08.30 | krizx | when i'm installing vmware tools on debian there is a question "what is the location of directory of C header files?" |
| 14:08.40 | krizx | how can i find where is directory of C header files? |
| 14:09.06 | abrotman | krizx: i believe the default it suggests is fine |
| 14:09.09 | chops | shabble: Er... this is on a virtual machine via xen? |
| 14:09.10 | sohmestra | krizx: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 14:09.18 | streuner | krizx: dpkg -S <package> |
| 14:09.22 | sohmestra | krizx: then it won't ask you that |
| 14:09.25 | streuner | krizx: dpkg -L <package> |
| 14:09.26 | shabble | chops: yes |
| 14:09.31 | abrotman | sohmestra: C, not linux ? |
| 14:09.36 | amphi | krizx: standard C headers are in/under /usr/include/ |
| 14:09.48 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 14:09.49 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
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| 14:10.07 | streuner | for vmware, its usually linux-kernel-headers |
| 14:10.10 | chops | shabble: I'd guess that xen is doing something different from ethernet to make it work. Try specifying 192.215.188.1 as the gateway in eth1 and see if that works. |
| 14:10.11 | sohmestra | abrotman: ah. he was talking about vmware, so I jumped to the common problem |
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| 14:11.57 | shabble | chops: "Network is unreachable" |
| 14:12.02 | shabble | so I can't add the route |
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| 14:12.24 | elwood | hi all |
| 14:12.28 | chops | shabble: Did you get that when you used 'route' by hand, or when you specifed that in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 14:13.03 | shabble | that was trying by hand |
| 14:13.26 | chops | shabble: Try it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:13.36 | shabble | k |
| 14:13.45 | elwood | i am trying to install debian,but i have only wireless network.there is a way to load a netinstall with a kernel 2.6.24 (with iwl3945)? |
| 14:13.47 | shabble | although I'm not sure why it would make a difference? |
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| 14:14.18 | streuner | elwood: prolly kmuto |
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| 14:14.22 | chops | shabble: You might be doing things differently from how ifup does it |
| 14:14.34 | elwood | streuner, what is it? |
| 14:14.38 | streuner | !kmuto |
| 14:14.38 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:14.46 | chops | shabble: Certainly I've never seen that error, and I've set up many interfaces using a gateway :-) |
| 14:15.26 | elwood | streuner, i have tried but he says i have not kernel modules. i'm installing by coping the iso into a new partition and loading with grub... |
| 14:15.57 | Osx86_ | plz |
| 14:16.09 | Osx86_ | how can i be sure that one usb device is connected to my system |
| 14:16.17 | Osx86_ | as lsusb do not show it on |
| 14:16.19 | streuner | lsusb |
| 14:16.28 | Osx86_ | another way? |
| 14:16.29 | krizx | i did all of you told but it doesn't work already.. |
| 14:16.37 | Osx86_ | with the proc filesystem? |
| 14:16.38 | streuner | hm, check out dmesg then and /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog |
| 14:16.48 | felix_da_catz | How can I tell what version of the kernel I am running? |
| 14:16.57 | krizx | i wrote /usr/include for c header files for current running kernel |
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| 14:17.06 | Osx86_ | it's a dongle so it does not appear as a recognized device |
| 14:17.24 | felix_da_catz | Ahh nm. I figured it out. |
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| 14:17.33 | DeadFishMan | felix_da_catz: type uname -r |
| 14:17.51 | Justin | krizx: you were told a couple of things, scroll up and read them all |
| 14:17.57 | streuner | Osx86_: the kernel must "see" the device, otherwise it cant use it... |
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| 14:18.07 | krizx | Justin i did. |
| 14:18.11 | Justin | krizx: you did what then? |
| 14:18.32 | Osx86_ | streuner: usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 14:18.38 | krizx | i installed linux-kernel-headers and linux-headers-`uname -r` both |
| 14:18.42 | Osx86_ | so it should be recognized |
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| 14:18.48 | Osx86_ | but it's not |
| 14:18.50 | Justin | krizx: then re-run the vmware installer again |
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| 14:19.01 | ccvp | hehI have a Radeon HD 2400....connecting to that is a VGA adaptor, that has 2 monitor connectors on the other side of the chord, one monitor is going into each connector, but the monitors are showing duplicate images, how can i reconfigure to have an extended monitor setup? |
| 14:19.02 | krizx | i write /usr/include for c header files but it want c header files directory for current running* kernel |
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| 14:19.58 | shabble | chops: doh! you transposed 129 to 192, and I just copied it rather than taking it from my setup :) |
| 14:20.08 | shabble | I still do taht myself a few times a day. |
| 14:20.16 | shabble | but with the right ip, works perfectly :D |
| 14:20.18 | krizx | umm |
| 14:20.28 | krizx | that's ok now :) |
| 14:20.31 | krizx | thanks |
| 14:20.54 | jetscreamer | i guess that means 'it works now' |
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| 14:22.06 | chops | shabble: Ah, sorry. My fingers know that IP address are supposed to start with 192 :-) |
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| 14:25.09 | jetscreamer | quit typing with your toes then |
| 14:25.18 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 14:25.33 | cusco | debain in oftc seems to be harsh'er |
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| 14:26.37 | chops | cusco: That's my experience as well |
| 14:26.54 | Osx86_ | plz! Where can be the problem when my linux kernel detects my usb device as a low speed device and lsusb can't shows it |
| 14:26.55 | Osx86_ | ? |
| 14:27.04 | chops | cusco: Freenode seems to be more end-user focused, whereas oftc is more for developers and extremely thick-skinned users :-) |
| 14:27.05 | ShredZ | I'm getting a lot of pre-removal script errors that prevent me from doing anything with apt anymore. How do I force remove these things ? |
| 14:27.13 | chops | ShredZ: Pastebin the exact error? |
| 14:28.08 | cusco | yea... |
| 14:28.10 | ShredZ | chops, http://pastebin.org/25257 |
| 14:28.28 | chops | !webmin |
| 14:28.28 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 14:28.57 | chops | ShredZ: You might be able to 'cp /bin/true /usr/sbin/update-webmin' to hack it into working |
| 14:29.14 | chops | ShredZ: And then remove that once the webmin packages have been removed |
| 14:29.42 | Supaplex | ewww webmin |
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| 14:31.37 | jetscreamer | Osx86_: maybe it's a hi speed device plugged into a lowspeed hub |
| 14:31.55 | demute | is there any program to browse the packages installed on the system by category? |
| 14:31.58 | Osx86_ | jetscreamer: no it's not, it's a usb dongle |
| 14:32.00 | ShredZ | hey chops thanks a bunch that actually worked :) |
| 14:32.05 | chops | ShredZ: np |
| 14:32.09 | jetscreamer | demute: you mean like dselect? :) |
| 14:32.15 | chops | ShredZ: And I hope you've learned your lesson about webmin :-) |
| 14:32.18 | jetscreamer | or synaptic |
| 14:32.22 | Osx86_ | i'm using xen |
| 14:32.29 | ShredZ | chops, I didn't put it on there, I'm the one removing it :) |
| 14:32.36 | chops | ShredZ: Excellent |
| 14:32.38 | Osx86_ | I need to find how to check if my usb device is connected or not |
| 14:32.52 | Osx86_ | without lsusb. Like using the proc filesystem |
| 14:32.53 | jetscreamer | lsusb iirc |
| 14:32.56 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 14:33.17 | cheekee | I am trying to install the latest version of libfuse2 version 2.7 from the backports.org source but I keep getting the message that I already have the latest version even though what I have is version 2.5 |
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| 14:34.30 | chops | cheekee: Can you pastebin the command, the output, your /etc/apt/sources.list, and the output of 'apt-cache policy libfuse2'? |
| 14:35.13 | cheekee | chops: ok |
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| 14:41.39 | demute | synaptic was the program i was looking for. thanks! |
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| 14:44.28 | cheekee | chops: sorry for the delay, had to teach myself how to use pastebin .com again .....http://pastebin.com/m2cc1fbd8 |
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| 14:44.41 | cheekee | http://pastebin.com/m2cc1fbd8 |
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| 14:45.27 | chops | cheekee: Are you pinned to stable or something? |
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| 14:48.46 | cheekee | chops: I don't know how to check that....I am in KDE now. Does that make a difference? |
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| 14:49.47 | chops | cheekee: It does. It's odd that the candidate is listed as a version that's not the most recent. Is there anything interesting in /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d, maybe? |
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| 14:50.33 | Justin | chops: or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 14:51.08 | Younix | X: /tmp/.X11-unix has suspicious ownership (not root:root), aborting |
| 14:51.14 | Younix | can someone help me with that? i can't start X |
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| 14:51.29 | Justin | Younix: ls -l /tmp/.X11-unix ? |
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| 14:51.45 | Younix | total 0 |
| 14:51.45 | Younix | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /tmp/.X11-unix/X1 |
| 14:51.51 | RogerWard | I have a question about the jigdo project for the GSOC |
| 14:52.00 | RogerWard | if anyone familiar with jigdo has a moment |
| 14:52.35 | Justin | Younix: when was the last time you rebooted? |
| 14:52.42 | Younix | a day ago |
| 14:53.05 | cheekee | chops: I don't have anything at all in /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
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| 14:53.15 | Justin | Younix: you can try deleting it, but that isn't a good sign |
| 14:53.23 | Justin | Younix: i'd run shutdown -F -r now if I were you |
| 14:53.32 | Younix | couldn't i just set the permissions back to what they should be? (i don't know what the should be) |
| 14:54.15 | chops | cheekee: Can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy'? |
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| 14:57.59 | cheekee | chops: http://pastebin.com/d5ee9af2e |
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| 14:58.26 | Supaplex | RogerWard: kindof. just ask |
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| 14:59.11 | RogerWard | I'm wondering if anyone has ever written signed java applets for the browser. the jigdo SOC project as suggested is to write CD's for debian in the _browser_ |
| 14:59.20 | chops | cheekee: Oh, right, backports need to be specified explicitly. I forgot about that. There are instructions on the backports page. |
| 14:59.25 | macafe | When I add one route with command `route add xxxxx` is defined something for when reboot server assume this routes or I have do anyone different? |
| 14:59.26 | RogerWard | I know how to do this, but wondering if its supported somewhere in debian. |
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| 14:59.27 | chops | http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 14:59.33 | abrotman | RogerWard: #java ? |
| 14:59.50 | RogerWard | I understand how to sign applets... wondering if another debian project has gotten a key. |
| 14:59.57 | RogerWard | code signing key specifically |
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| 15:00.33 | drwahl | in Windows, when i click down the wheel on my mouse, i am able to scroll around by moving the mouse above, below, or to either side of where i clicked. is it possible to set that up in linux (esp. Debian)? |
| 15:00.54 | ronr | what's the best way to send the contents of some outbox using sendmail? (so I got a dir with a some messages that I want to get into a postfix queue, the messages are in a format that can be used with sendmail -t) |
| 15:01.24 | Justin | ronr: sendmail -t ? |
| 15:02.02 | ronr | Justin: yeah, -t = read the receiver from the mailheaders |
| 15:02.19 | ronr | Justin: so sendmail -t < amessage sends the message |
| 15:02.21 | Justin | ronr: no, I mean, why don't you just use sendmail -t |
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| 15:03.07 | ronr | Justin: but how do I give sendmail -t the instruction to read not just <file> but every file in ~/outbox/ |
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| 15:03.27 | Justin | ronr: a for loop in the shell |
| 15:03.27 | cheekee | chops: it seems to be working now...will keep u posted |
| 15:03.34 | Supaplex | JoshH: yo :) |
| 15:03.38 | RogerWard | ronr: how about for a in ~/outbox/*;do sendmail -t < $a; done ? |
| 15:03.57 | ronr | RogerWard: that sounds good |
| 15:04.00 | Supaplex | use & done it'll be funner |
| 15:04.06 | ronr | Justin: RogerWard: thanks |
| 15:04.07 | Supaplex | hehe |
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| 15:04.42 | Supaplex | sendmail -t is for spammers ;) |
| 15:04.46 | chops | Supaplex: With exim it hardly matters... you can get quite a bit just by rapid-fire calling 'sendmail' |
| 15:04.48 | chops | Supaplex: http://qix.demiurgestudios.com/~moise/unretouched-qix-loadmeter.png |
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| 15:05.19 | ronr | Supaplex: not all mass mail is spamming (I only send to double opt-in addresses) |
| 15:05.38 | Supaplex | hence the ;) part |
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| 15:06.11 | ronr | :) |
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| 15:10.53 | cheekee | chops: It worked! Thank you! What a pain though. I could have unzipped the .rar file on my USB drive an hour ago by booting up my Windows PC. But I chose to go the LInux way.... ;-) |
| 15:10.53 | apollo14 | Hi I installed splashy today and since installing it, my laptop doesn't boot anymore; it hangs at "waiting for root file system" and then drop me into busybox. Before hanging it complains about missing mount etc... commands and cat /proc/comandline file not found; any ideas? |
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| 15:11.24 | chops | cheekee: You needed fuse to extract a .rar? |
| 15:11.31 | drwahl | in Windows, when i click down the wheel on my mouse, i am able to scroll around by moving the mouse above, below, or to either side of where i clicked. is it possible to set that up in linux (esp. Debian)? |
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| 15:12.20 | chops | cheekee: Also, having to read the instructions in order for backports to work isn't too terrible a hardship :-) |
| 15:12.53 | smaug9 | how to install mail service for outbound mail only? |
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| 15:13.17 | mquin | smaug9: take a look at ssmtp |
| 15:13.25 | smaug9 | thanks |
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| 15:14.02 | cheekee | chops: No. I need to mount an NTFS drive so all this hassle with fuse has been in order to load NTFS-3g. I downloaded unrar an hour ago. I have to admit I learnt some stuff though |
| 15:14.13 | chops | cheekee: Ah |
| 15:14.14 | apollo14 | I am also using lvm if this help, plz tell me which config files etc you need |
| 15:14.42 | ananth123 | how much space would i need for a fresh install with say...kde running under etch ? any rough estimate ? |
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| 15:14.49 | chops | cheekee: I think that read-only NTFS access was possible without ntfs-3g (though I've never worked with it myself). |
| 15:14.54 | chops | cheekee: Anyway, glad things got working. |
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| 15:15.46 | cheekee | chops: I want to unzip a .rar file ...that must involve writing to the drive |
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| 15:16.08 | chops | cheekee: You need to extracted files to go back onto the drive? |
| 15:16.21 | Supaplex | sure you don't want to unrar a zip file? hehe |
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| 15:18.59 | abrotman | ananth123: 2GB maybe? |
| 15:19.08 | abrotman | ananth123: and that seems high to me |
| 15:19.09 | cheekee | chops: yes. I know its the long way to do it, but I want to see the Linux way :-) .........Yes, Supa I am sure it is a .rar file |
| 15:19.16 | J0N47H45 | hi, does anyone know how can I read the boot messages? where does it stay? |
| 15:19.37 | cahoot | dmesg and enable bootlogd |
| 15:19.59 | chops | cheekee: Heh |
| 15:20.03 | chops | cheekee: Makes sense |
| 15:20.05 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 15:20.05 | dpkg | somebody said bootlogd was disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 15:20.26 | J0N47H45 | thanx =) |
| 15:20.28 | up365 | drwahl, there is an imwheel debian etch package but I don't know if it will do what you want |
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| 15:21.19 | talexb | Hi folks, any suggestions on where I can find cpan2deb? I've used cpan2rpm in the past, and now I'm using kubuntu, and would like to use that. |
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| 15:21.37 | drwahl | up365: i will take a look, thanks |
| 15:22.13 | up365 | np, let us know |
| 15:23.23 | Supaplex | talexb: /topic |
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| 15:27.25 | talexb | Supaplex So you're telling me to go to #ubuntu, I guess. |
| 15:27.47 | Supaplex | talexb: we don't support *ubuntu here. sorry |
| 15:28.46 | talexb | No need to apologize .. I imagine there are some #debian members who use cpan2deb. |
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| 15:29.02 | eragon | am trying to setup proftpd server |
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| 15:29.19 | eragon | i want to make my default ftp dir as /var/spool |
| 15:29.22 | eragon | how i make |
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| 15:29.45 | eragon | am just trying to i make ftp or anonymous user to access my ftp |
| 15:30.07 | eragon | DefaultRoot /var/spool/ |
| 15:30.12 | eragon | its not working |
| 15:30.16 | eragon | when i do ftp |
| 15:30.23 | eragon | and cd .var.spool |
| 15:30.28 | eragon | cd /var/spool |
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| 15:30.45 | eragon | 550 /home/ftp/monitor: No such file or directory\ |
| 15:31.03 | hoxu | you have to configure stuff when sober |
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| 15:31.59 | eragon | who me> |
| 15:32.00 | eragon | ? |
| 15:32.34 | Ergo^ | hey guys, i had some reasons to not make a backport of wine from sid to lenny - so i used ubuntu 7.10 repos to get new wine - how evil is that ? can this pose a threat of some kind ? |
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| 15:34.17 | reto_ | Ergo^: I think it could yes |
| 15:34.22 | hoxu | !tell eragon about sicco |
| 15:34.49 | Supaplex | !tell Ergo^ about bobbitt |
| 15:34.50 | reto_ | Ergo^: debian & ubuntu have no formal agreement to keep their repos compatible to each other |
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| 15:35.00 | reto_ | !tell me about bobbitt |
| 15:35.06 | reto_ | !tell retp_ about bobbitt |
| 15:35.10 | reto_ | !tell reto_ about bobbitt |
| 15:35.12 | reto_ | (i'm sorry) |
| 15:35.13 | hoxu | !tell reto_ about selftell |
| 15:35.20 | eragon | any one install proftp on debian |
| 15:35.25 | reto_ | well lol |
| 15:35.33 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 15:35.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:35.38 | hoxu | Ergo^, did you use the winehq debs? |
| 15:35.53 | hoxu | Ergo^, no wait, you actually put ubuntu sources into sources.list? |
| 15:35.53 | Ergo^ | hoxu - yes |
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| 15:36.10 | reto_ | I'm sorry, thanks for the info |
| 15:36.27 | Ergo^ | hoxu - yes i put ubuntu sources for wine from their repo |
| 15:36.30 | Supaplex | Ergo^: I had fun breaking my test box of "bobbitt" :) just fyi |
| 15:36.52 | Supaplex | oh, and I want videos of when it goes *PEWM* |
| 15:36.56 | hoxu | Ergo^, well, if you used winehq debs, it's not that serious, but they are known to screw up things, so don't expect to be able to use debian wine packages later without problems |
| 15:37.22 | hoxu | Ergo^, uh-huh, I'm confused now, show the exact line you added |
| 15:38.02 | Ergo^ | hoxu i built wine from sid (created backport) once but it did not behave the same like the one from wine repo on ubuntu ( some renderign problems |
| 15:38.17 | Supaplex | !uupdate |
| 15:38.17 | dpkg | uupdate upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision |
| 15:38.34 | Supaplex | do simple sid backport, and splice it with uupdate. |
| 15:38.40 | reto_ | Ergo^: btw. take a look at http://www.codeweavers.com/ |
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| 15:39.56 | Ergo^ | actualy i did : wget http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list |
| 15:40.11 | Ergo^ | wine works very nice - im just curious how unsafe that is |
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| 15:40.37 | hoxu | Ergo^, not sure about that particular repo, but if it has only the wine* packages then it won't screw up your whole system |
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| 15:41.08 | hoxu | Ergo^, I think... but be warned that upgrading to debian's wine packages may prove difficult, you most likely need to purge all the packages before installing debian versions |
| 15:41.43 | hoxu | Ergo^, my recommendation: don't do it. If you need another version than the one in debian, build from git and install as a user in your $HOME |
| 15:42.50 | Ergo^ | yeah i thought so |
| 15:43.05 | Ergo^ | that if debian and ubuntu are not so far from eachother i can try to do that |
| 15:43.16 | hoxu | NO |
| 15:43.31 | Ergo^ | i built frm sid so i guess i hav dependancies meet |
| 15:43.37 | hoxu | don't mix debian branches, don't mix distros :p |
| 15:43.44 | Ergo^ | ;-) i kniw its evil |
| 15:43.49 | Ergo^ | ok dinner time |
| 15:43.59 | Ergo^ | thanks for help |
| 15:44.09 | Ergo^ | in case of problem ill just purge the packages |
| 15:44.13 | Ergo^ | bbl |
| 15:44.59 | phlax | hi - ive setup an etch(amd64) box with several raid1 partitions. After installing it failed to boot. I checked the partitions in mdadm.conf and they had incorrect UUIDs - i have corrected these using the output from mdadm -E, and i also added devices= for the ARRAYs, but the box still fails to boot saying that none of the raid partitions listed in the config file could be found - any ideas? |
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| 15:46.02 | drwahl | is there any official site that i can scan to see what packages have native packages for amd64? |
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| 15:46.19 | drwahl | and more importantly, which packages do not |
| 15:46.39 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
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| 15:47.01 | drwahl | will that actually list them though, i know i can search, but i'm looking for more of a list |
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| 15:50.28 | abrotman | drwahl: maybe the buildd system ? |
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| 15:54.00 | pipatron | So hm. If I want to install debian etch without the Xorg cruft, is it possible to do from the installer? I never got any questions about it, even when using the expert install :/ |
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| 15:56.35 | asn | Greetings. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg gives me a very minimalistic and *wrong* xorg.conf which won't work. In the end, I did it with X -configure, which generated a functional xorg.conf which I edited to my needs. But I still got problems, any ideas on why dpkg-reconfigure is acting like this? |
| 15:56.58 | abrotman | asn: how was it wrong? |
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| 15:58.11 | asn | abrotman: most sections had only two lines, and the contents of it had nothing to do with what I gave to configuration interface. |
| 15:58.25 | abrotman | asn: i'd have to see the file .. which you wiped out |
| 15:58.33 | asn | abrotman: I can regenerate it |
| 15:58.45 | abrotman | quick quick .. gotta go get the pizza! |
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| 15:59.15 | pipatron | mmm. pizza |
| 15:59.25 | abrotman | it wasn't my idea .. i'd rather not |
| 16:00.01 | asn | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/956800 |
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| 16:00.23 | asn | there, it kept my preference for ati, but there are no "vertical frequency" etc. lines |
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| 16:01.48 | abrotman | asn: or your resolutions ? |
| 16:01.54 | asn | that too |
| 16:02.01 | abrotman | asn: hint #1 .. leave the BusID blank |
| 16:02.06 | abrotman | unless it's a PPC mac |
| 16:02.07 | Justin | xorg will auto detect all that stuff these days |
| 16:02.21 | asn | I'll do that |
| 16:02.30 | asn | but that's a bit off-topic, isn't it? |
| 16:02.39 | abrotman | what? leaving it blank? |
| 16:02.56 | abrotman | the rest of your settings might be gone because it tried to probe that busid and got nothing back |
| 16:03.05 | asn | I mean it doesn't even have a ServerLayout |
| 16:03.09 | asn | I see |
| 16:03.12 | asn | Let me check it |
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| 16:03.26 | abrotman | (they should really kill the BusID stuff) |
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| 16:03.56 | asn | nope same thing, abrotman |
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| 16:04.04 | asn | just without the BusID :) |
| 16:04.19 | abrotman | asn: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg ? |
| 16:04.27 | abrotman | i've never seen it do what you're showing |
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| 16:05.38 | asn | nope, same thing |
| 16:06.01 | Justin | asn: why doesn't the config work? |
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| 16:07.41 | asn | first of all, it doesn't have a ServerLayout |
| 16:08.02 | Justin | asn: no, not why you think it won't work, why doesn't it work? |
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| 16:08.07 | Justin | asn: you did try to start X with it, right? |
| 16:08.23 | asn | of course i did |
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| 16:08.27 | asn | couldn't find screen |
| 16:08.32 | Justin | asn: what did the log say? |
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| 16:09.23 | asn | I don't remember exactly, but it complained about not being able to find a screen, and that the "Default Screen" was not valid |
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| 16:09.38 | xerophyte | chown: changing ownership of `debian/munin/var/log/munin': Operation not permitted |
| 16:09.47 | Justin | xerophyte: fakeroot |
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| 16:09.54 | xerophyte | i am getting that when i rebuild the munin package to learn it . how can i solve that .. lo |
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| 16:10.28 | s-andy_ | hi. using etch. when I halt the system it halts fine. when I reboot it stops at the message "Restarting system" and no more actions. Ctrl+Alt+Del does not help. only reset |
| 16:11.04 | xoz | asn: try Xorg -configure |
| 16:11.38 | asn | xoz: that's how I did it in the end |
| 16:11.47 | asn | but I want to use debconf |
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| 16:12.22 | freebird | what's up you guys |
| 16:12.40 | xoz | asn: debconf is not perfect i think |
| 16:12.41 | hoxu | freebird, not your server obviously, what's the problem? |
| 16:13.23 | freebird | hoxu, what do you mean by 'not my server, obviously' ?? |
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| 16:13.39 | xoz | s-andy_: halt? not shutdown -h now? |
| 16:13.47 | hoxu | freebird, forget it, just shoot your question |
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| 16:14.10 | freebird | hoxu, don't have a question at the momment man, lol, tks anyway |
| 16:14.21 | pipatron | freebird: well invent a question then! |
| 16:14.41 | freebird | pipatron, loool, ok, 1 sec |
| 16:15.02 | tweekster | my hosting company has assigned me a set of IPs and then one additional IP in a different range. what sort of routing do i need to add to get the additional ip to work, it just basically says it cant connect to anything else. |
| 16:15.11 | s-andy_ | xoz: shutdown -h now works fine |
| 16:15.20 | s-andy_ | xoz: reboot does not |
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| 16:16.13 | xoz | s-andy_: ah so your system only accepts hard reboot. not software reboot. maybe acpi problem or bios issue. |
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| 16:17.21 | halflife | tweekster: depends on what your netmask is, even if it is in a different range it won't matter unless the netmask splits it up into 2 differnt networks check that first |
| 16:17.28 | s-andy_ | xoz: maybe... how to fix? or determine if it is really acpi issue? |
| 16:17.48 | xerophyte | Justin: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc thats what i am using i am still getting it |
| 16:17.50 | halflife | tweekster: if they are 2 different networks add a route statement man route |
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| 16:18.37 | hoxu | tweekster, you forgot to tell us what you actually want to do with the IPs |
| 16:18.40 | cheekee | chops: job done! at last I mounted the ntfs drive and unzipped the file |
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| 16:18.55 | cheekee | thanks |
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| 16:19.57 | xerophyte | Justin: are you there |
| 16:20.08 | Justin | xerophyte: sounds like a bug in the source package then |
| 16:20.16 | tweekster | hoxu I want them to be accesible from the internet and to the internet, they are both public ips |
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| 16:20.46 | kantor | hi enouf |
| 16:21.06 | xerophyte | Justin: how can i fix it |
| 16:21.16 | hoxu | tweekster, I mean, do you want to assign both of them to the same box? |
| 16:21.21 | Toznoshio | Can anyone point me to a good troubleshooting resource for CUPS? |
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| 16:21.27 | hoxu | tweekster, and one physical interface? |
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| 16:22.02 | tweekster | correct 1 interface |
| 16:22.11 | hoxu | tweekster, you can use subinterfaces, man 5 interfaces |
| 16:22.30 | hoxu | tweekster, hrhm, my bad, it's not covered there, sec... |
| 16:22.39 | pipatron | Toznoshio: http://www.linuxprinting.org/kpfeifle/LinuxKongress2002/Tutorial/VII.cups-help/VII.cups-help.html |
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| 16:22.56 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 16:22.57 | HardDisk_WP | how do I turn SSH into some kind of proxy? |
| 16:23.07 | kantor | how can I enable the ide-scsi in debian etch ? I mean to emulate my ATA hard drive to be recognized like a SCSI device ? |
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| 16:23.12 | hoxu | tweekster, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 16:23.17 | HardDisk_WP | i am in a very insecure environment now and dont want anyone to grab my password |
| 16:23.24 | xoz | s-andy_: how latest is your kernel? |
| 16:23.28 | Toznoshio | pipatron: Thanks. |
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| 16:23.46 | hoxu | tweekster, look for the "eth0:1" syntax, basically, just add the first IP as normal eth0 interface, then the second as eth0:1, both as "auto" |
| 16:23.49 | pipatron | Toznoshio: Would be easier for everyone if you used google though |
| 16:23.50 | tweekster | hoxu: the aliasing part isnt the issue, its the netmask and or route info i am having trouble with. |
| 16:24.06 | pipatron | HardDisk_WP: What do you mean? |
| 16:24.18 | hoxu | tweekster, um, did you try using subinterfaces yet? |
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| 16:24.34 | pipatron | HardDisk_WP: If they can install things on your computer, they can install a keylogger, no amount of proxying will help |
| 16:24.36 | freebird | pipatron, man, do you know which packages are the mysql dev packages .?? |
| 16:24.46 | tweekster | yes |
| 16:24.54 | freebird | pipatron, there's no mysql-dev or alikes |
| 16:25.01 | tweekster | ultimately my goal is to set these to seperate xen |
| 16:25.09 | xoz | !tell freebird -about search |
| 16:25.10 | s-andy_ | xoz: latest etch kernel...2.6.18-6 |
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| 16:25.26 | crissuperman | hello |
| 16:25.32 | crissuperman | !list |
| 16:25.32 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to crissuperman |
| 16:25.43 | freebird | xoz, try your self finding it |
| 16:25.43 | tweekster | but in the mean time i am stepping back on that one and just trying to make sure i can get them routed first. right now i am setup on an aliased interface that can ping itself, but not from the outside world |
| 16:25.45 | pipatron | freebird: That's because databases sucks and are just overhyped |
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| 16:25.52 | crissuperman | ? |
| 16:25.58 | freebird | xoz I konw about apt-cache |
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| 16:26.11 | xoz | freebird: try apt-file |
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| 16:26.20 | freebird | xoz what's the difference |
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| 16:26.54 | xoz | freebird: apt-file /bin/ls will tell you which package owns ls |
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| 16:27.04 | freebird | xoz I don't have such a commnad |
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| 16:27.16 | chops | freebird: Looks like you want libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 16:27.29 | xoz | freebird: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search <keyword> |
| 16:27.35 | HardDisk_WP | but i have ssh access to my machine |
| 16:27.38 | freebird | xoz tks |
| 16:27.42 | geos64 | who do netboot |
| 16:27.48 | chops | !anyone |
| 16:27.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 16:27.58 | HardDisk_WP | and so i want to make ssh / thisn machine into some proxy |
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| 16:29.05 | pipatron | HardDisk_WP: You need to install a http proxy on your server, and create an ssh tunnel from your computer to the server |
| 16:29.13 | pipatron | HardDisk_WP: And tell your browser to use the local port |
| 16:29.30 | pipatron | HardDisk_WP: And since you don't know what I'm talking about now, I suggest that you google for "ssh tunnel" or something |
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| 16:29.51 | xoz | HardDisk_WP: or use VPN |
| 16:30.23 | hoxu | tweekster, if you still can't get your setup to work, describe (pastebin interfaces) the setup you have and the problems in a concise manner |
| 16:30.46 | Justin | !lart pipatron |
| 16:30.47 | dpkg | keeps mailing pipatron free America Online CDs until he drowns |
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| 16:30.55 | pipatron | \o/ |
| 16:30.56 | jeremy_c | What's the best way to get media for testing? I started to download DVD-1 and got about 80k/sec. |
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| 16:31.23 | pipatron | jeremy_c: The normal CD, disc 1, or the network installation disc |
| 16:31.27 | Justin | HardDisk_WP: pipatron: http://www.google.com/search?q=ssh+proxy |
| 16:31.28 | hoxu | HardDisk_WP, man 1 ssh, see the -L and -R options |
| 16:31.28 | pipatron | jeremy_c: If you need the DVD, try the torrent |
| 16:31.42 | epsilon | jeremy_c: netinstall |
| 16:31.50 | epsilon | there's a beta to be tested iirc |
| 16:31.52 | xoz | jeremy_c: try http://www.downthemall.net/ |
| 16:31.55 | jeremy_c | I do not need the dvd, but how do I install testing? Will the normal 4.0r3 allow me to install testing? |
| 16:32.03 | Justin | hoxu: http://www.google.com/search?q=ssh+proxy |
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| 16:32.12 | pipatron | jeremy_c: answer: noooooooooooo |
| 16:32.15 | chops | jeremy_c: Debian installs identically whether you install it from the CD, or the DVD, or the network |
| 16:32.16 | pipatron | eh |
| 16:32.21 | pipatron | minus the oooooooo |
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| 16:32.25 | chops | jeremy_c: It's just which media is most convenient for you |
| 16:32.32 | xoz | jeremy_c: it will open several threads to the same location and download the target file using several connections in parallel |
| 16:32.39 | chops | jeremy_c: netinst is generally the best way if you don't have any other constraints |
| 16:32.41 | jeremy_c | I do not see just network install iso for testing. |
| 16:32.42 | hoxu | Justin, hmm? |
| 16:33.11 | Justin | hoxu: wrong options |
| 16:33.15 | xoz | jeremy_c: or you can just use netinst image |
| 16:33.45 | eragon | helo |
| 16:33.46 | hoxu | Justin, wrong for what purpose? |
| 16:33.48 | kantor | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.50 | Justin | hoxu: proxying |
| 16:33.55 | epsilon | jeremy_c: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:34.00 | jeremy_c | I'd be happy and fine w/netinstall but am missing where the netinst image is for testing. |
| 16:34.02 | eragon | how i set permission to see f folder |
| 16:34.03 | jeremy_c | epsilon: ah. thanks. |
| 16:34.05 | epsilon | jeremy_c: read the news links at the top |
| 16:34.12 | hoxu | Justin, define "proxying"... or nevermind |
| 16:34.34 | Justin | hoxu: the question was proxying, not forwarding ports, -L and -R are for forwarding ports, not proxying |
| 16:35.48 | hoxu | don't blame me, for ambiguous questions I give answers that I thought people wanted to ask :p |
| 16:36.46 | xoz | !beer hoxu |
| 16:36.46 | dpkg | pours a quart of Gulden Drak for hoxu |
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| 16:43.18 | pipatron | *sigh* |
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| 16:43.28 | pipatron | The installer still doesn't let me select any tasks to install |
| 16:43.33 | pipatron | Even though it claims to run tasksel |
| 16:43.53 | pipatron | How do I install a debian stable without a full gnome installation? |
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| 16:44.22 | amphi | pipatron: just do a base install |
| 16:44.24 | hark | just do a base install |
| 16:44.30 | amphi | heh |
| 16:44.32 | pipatron | How? There's no options for that. |
| 16:45.03 | zelip | i'm installing debian on a brand new hp core2, and debian does not recognize my intel gigabit ethernet card. its a intel 82566. anyone know a quick workaround, just for install? |
| 16:45.23 | pipatron | zelip: Is it in the installer stage it fails? |
| 16:45.35 | pipatron | zelip: Does it say anything about actually finding the card but needing firmware? |
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| 16:46.26 | zelip | nop |
| 16:46.39 | laptor | i need to upgrade my system and if I did upgrade it give me (0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.) I installed debian before 2 hours |
| 16:46.40 | zelip | well is on the installer stage |
| 16:46.48 | simonrvn | you don't run tasksel, that's how, and just run aptitude. |
| 16:46.48 | zelip | let me see what exactly it says |
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| 16:46.58 | simonrvn | pipatron: ^^^ |
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| 16:47.19 | zelip | pipatron: it says No ethernet card detected.. |
| 16:47.33 | zelip | the thing is.. i'm using netinstall |
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| 16:47.58 | laptor | now I need to edit source.list how can get mirrors |
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| 16:48.15 | Aleera | When allocating space to put other operating systems do I have to make both "Boot"? |
| 16:48.31 | Aleera | with the flags "boot" I mean |
| 16:48.36 | pipatron | laptor: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 16:51.08 | ma3x | does wpa-psk slow down the connection just a little bit? |
| 16:51.35 | x03 | yes |
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| 16:51.59 | ma3x | what is the best encryption then? |
| 16:52.05 | ma3x | what else should I set for my wireless? |
| 16:52.05 | pipatron | wpa-psk |
| 16:52.26 | pipatron | And does it really slow down the connection? Isn't that CPU-bound |
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| 16:53.06 | ma3x | what cpu? |
| 16:53.08 | ma3x | router's cpu? |
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| 16:53.25 | pipatron | Both |
| 16:53.30 | pipatron | client + router |
| 16:53.52 | ma3x | well what other encryption mode should I select? |
| 16:53.59 | ma3x | that doesn't slow down so much |
| 16:54.02 | pipatron | ma3x: You should use WPA2-PSK |
| 16:54.19 | pipatron | ma3x: Or no encryption at all |
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| 16:55.01 | ma3x | what's psk only and what's psk mixed? |
| 16:55.15 | Bread_Rolls | Hello. I'm a beginner. Can anyone point me to a page where I can learn how to allow my Debian based PC to share its attached printer with other PC's in my LAN ? Thanks |
| 16:55.20 | Castigador | does someone use reprepro? |
| 16:55.32 | chops | !anyone |
| 16:55.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:55.43 | Castigador | sorry |
| 16:55.44 | ma3x | pipatron, aes or tkip or both? |
| 16:56.42 | ma3x | if I use no encryption at all, is mac filtering a good way to restrict access to from unwanted users? |
| 16:57.11 | pipatron | ma3x: mac filtering is useless except for blocking complete newbies connecting by mistake |
| 16:57.24 | tweekster | mac addresses can be reprogrammed easily so no |
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| 16:57.53 | XoX | how can the user know his mac address is being filtered in the first place |
| 16:57.59 | Castigador | I'm trying to use reprepro with overrides files, using de following instruction: "reprepro -b . -VVV reoverride distro", but I get "Out of Memory!" message. |
| 16:58.12 | pipatron | XoX: They listen to the data in the air |
| 16:58.49 | x03 | is out |
| 16:59.27 | Castigador | I would like to know the format of the conf file and the override file |
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| 17:01.12 | nslater | how do I do an apt-get without installing the recommends? |
| 17:01.49 | ma3x | pipatron, what do you suggest then as a 'method of encryption'? |
| 17:01.56 | XoX | aptitude install --without-recommends -o Aptitude Keep-Recommends=true |
| 17:02.44 | nslater | XoX: what does the Keep-Recommends bit do? |
| 17:02.52 | pipatron | ma3x: I suggest WPA2-PSK |
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| 17:03.03 | pipatron | ma3x: I've said that like 4 times already :P |
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| 17:03.28 | ma3x | pipatron, sorry - aes or tkip? |
| 17:03.33 | XoX | nslater, keeps already installed packages witch were recommended from being removed |
| 17:03.35 | pipatron | ma3x: aes |
| 17:03.39 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 17:04.04 | nslater | XoX: did you mean to put Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true ? |
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| 17:04.30 | XoX | yes |
| 17:04.36 | nslater | okay, thank you |
| 17:04.48 | lymeca | I mounted a FAT32 partition on an iPod and tried to delete a folder but it jsut sits there unresponsive nto returnign me to a new command prompt. I can write other data to the HDD partition though, but viewing this one particular folder or writing to it or deleting it just freezes bash |
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| 17:07.51 | nslater | I am trying to install pypy-dev but it wants to pull in all kinds of unrelated studd like X, mono and Java - I cant figure out what's going on |
| 17:08.04 | nslater | running your command without recommends still produces the same result |
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| 17:08.14 | nslater | even though I have all the depends prereqs |
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| 17:16.39 | qubodup | hi there |
| 17:17.40 | qubodup | What do I do if I have 1.5 Gig of RAM but free -m tells me that I only have 885? What package to install? |
| 17:18.17 | cahoot | a 686 kernel |
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| 17:19.26 | craigevil | do you have shared video ram? |
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| 17:19.47 | qubodup | craigevil: no, it's not on board |
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| 17:20.22 | qubodup | cahoot: What do you mean? That I have a 486 kernel installed? (What's the diff between 686 and 486? |
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| 17:20.40 | cahoot | highmem enabled in 686 |
| 17:20.43 | pipatron | qubodup: You probably have a 386 kernel installed |
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| 17:21.27 | qubodup | where can I get the relevant info about what the diff betwen 386 and 686 (and 486?) is? |
| 17:21.34 | pipatron | wikipedia |
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| 17:22.31 | qubodup | pipatron: I hope you're right |
| 17:22.45 | qubodup | I have a 486 linux kernel according to synaptic |
| 17:22.48 | pipatron | ok |
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| 17:24.34 | qubodup | W. appears to be worthless |
| 17:26.03 | qubodup | so what should I install? linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 ? |
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| 17:26.40 | qubodup | I have an athlon xp 2300+ sitting on the MB, does that dictate which kernel to use? |
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| 17:28.38 | cahoot | could use a k7 |
| 17:28.58 | Justin | k7 kernels are going away, aren't they? |
| 17:29.04 | cahoot | yes |
| 17:29.26 | stew | !depends linux-image-2.6-k7 unstable |
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| 17:29.32 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-k7: depends on linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 17:29.56 | HSorgYves | evening |
| 17:30.00 | abrotman | Justin: they're gone in sid .. maybe lenny |
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| 17:30.12 | stew | qubodup: nok, you should install 2.6.18-6, not 2.6.18-4, and you can use either -686 or -k7 |
| 17:30.30 | HSorgYves | is there a way to specify that named should not use udp6 and/or that it should not bind * for udp? |
| 17:30.43 | qubodup | stew: any reason for k7 over 686? |
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| 17:31.50 | stew | qubodup: an imperceivable performance gain, maybe, but not, not really |
| 17:32.20 | qubodup | stew: I'll try it then. Will the newly installed kernel be active automaticaly after booting? |
| 17:32.38 | stew | qubodup: it should be |
| 17:33.02 | pipatron | Should show up in the grub menu |
| 17:33.14 | pipatron | Possibly as the first and default entry |
| 17:33.28 | qubodup | allright, seeya in a minute then. pipatron: right didn't think about that. |
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| 17:40.46 | cheekee | Is there anything better than gtkpod for managing an Ipod on Debian now? |
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| 17:42.41 | abrotman | cheekee: anything better in linux in general ? |
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| 17:43.39 | cheekee | abrotman: Yes! I am just enquiring before I start using gtkpod for the 1st time. |
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| 17:43.53 | pipatron | buy a real mp3-player :P |
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| 17:44.09 | abrotman | cheekee: no .. i'm asking you .. is there an application you know of that works better than gtkpod ? |
| 17:44.11 | Justin | cheekee: lots of programs have ipod support lately |
| 17:44.17 | abrotman | other than itunes |
| 17:44.26 | abrotman | i would imagine amarok supports them |
| 17:44.33 | hoxu | cheekee, amarok should work fine, it uses same library as gtkpod |
| 17:44.58 | stew | aren't they just mass storage devices? |
| 17:46.06 | cheekee | I want to save all my music to the hard drive. Can amarok do that? abrotman: I am a neophyte so I can't answer your question :-) |
| 17:46.32 | salvin | cheekee, mkfs.ext3? |
| 17:46.34 | pipatron | stew: IINM, no, they're not. If you just dump mp3s to it, it can't play them |
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| 17:46.49 | abrotman | it needs a playlist or some extra crap |
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| 17:47.02 | pipatron | Which is why I bought an iAudio player instead |
| 17:47.02 | aoeu | how can you remotely tell if a drive has crashed? |
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| 17:47.14 | pipatron | Just dump the files, and it can play free music as well (ogg and flac) |
| 17:47.14 | moope2 | what does "Darwin based" mean? |
| 17:47.34 | pipatron | moope2: darwin is some OSX-junk |
| 17:47.50 | Justin | aoeu: dmesg ? |
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| 17:48.18 | moope2 | pipatron: ta |
| 17:48.24 | cheekee | I don't know. I have never formatted the Ipods drive. I once saved all its files using Fedora, but the PC crashed and I had to re-install. I am not using Fedora anymore...too unstable |
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| 17:48.37 | hoxu | stew, bleh, unfortunately apple in all their kindness has created some kind of database format and checksums so it's not easy to interoperate with ipods... |
| 17:48.41 | moope2 | is there an osx or mac channel |
| 17:49.05 | mavhc | no, macs don't go wrong, they're perfect, didn't you see the ad? |
| 17:49.11 | pipatron | moope2: I don't think so, sorry. |
| 17:49.26 | pipatron | moope2: There's probably no mac or osx forums either |
| 17:49.35 | moope2 | ah, of course |
| 17:49.43 | moope2 | because they are perfect devices |
| 17:49.46 | pipatron | Yes |
| 17:49.49 | pipatron | It just works |
| 17:49.50 | moope2 | I have a very guilty secret |
| 17:50.44 | aoeu | justin, i get hdb: drive not ready for command |
| 17:50.45 | aoeu | hdb: status error: status=0x10 { SeekComplete } |
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| 17:50.56 | cheekee | salvin: I don't know. I have never formatted the Ipods drive. I once saved all its files using Fedora, but the PC crashed and I had to re-install. I am not using Fedora anymore...too unstable. Sorry for the repeat...my prev msg was flooded with responses |
| 17:51.04 | abrotman | aoeu: that's not good (or DMA is wonky) |
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| 17:51.13 | aoeu | all my other drives work |
| 17:51.30 | aoeu | oh well, it's a 7 year old 40GB wd drive |
| 17:51.36 | aoeu | and i only used it for backups |
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| 17:51.43 | chops | cheekee: The "resend messages when channel is busy" protocol doesn't scale very well... |
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| 17:52.16 | kekko | every time i upgrade to a new kernel (currently on 2.6.22-4-686), my wireless ipw2100 stop working . How can i solve that? |
| 17:52.27 | aoeu | abrotman, can moving a machine while the drives are running crash drives? |
| 17:52.38 | chops | kekko: What are you doing to fix it again when it stops working? |
| 17:52.38 | cheekee | chops: I didn't even know there was such a protocol ...lol |
| 17:52.45 | aoeu | i moved it 4 inches very slowly |
| 17:52.46 | abrotman | aoeu: sure .. if you bump it etc |
| 17:53.42 | aoeu | blah moving machines has never crashed drives for me before |
| 17:53.51 | aoeu | it must have just been at the end of its rope |
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| 17:54.32 | aoeu | its bearings had gone bad and it had this really high pitched squeel whenever it was on |
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| 17:55.19 | kekko | chops: i'm not sure really. i thought it might be something with the -686 part of the kernel package. Last time i installed a more generic kernel, and it worked. Could this be becasue it's a centrino |
| 17:55.26 | abrotman | aoeu: uh .. that's a good sign of impending doom |
| 17:56.13 | aoeu | well at least i won't have to listen to it anymore when its on :) |
| 17:56.20 | chops | kekko: Wait, which kernel worked, and which one didn't? |
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| 17:57.19 | kekko | chops: it seems that the one like 2.6.x works but not the 2.6.x-686 |
| 17:57.24 | kekko | but i might be wrong |
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| 17:58.03 | chops | kekko: Hm. If you can track it down to "kernel X works, kernel Y doesn't", then I can tell you more. If all you can say is "some work, some don't", then I can't answer much back :-/ |
| 17:58.16 | pipatron | kekko: Do you have a thinkpad |
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| 17:58.26 | kekko | pipatron: yes |
| 17:58.38 | pipatron | kekko: Then join ##ibmthinkpad and ask, they could know a little more |
| 17:58.43 | brotherJohn1234 | ha - i could have join to a perfect time . i have trouble with the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel too. |
| 17:58.45 | pipatron | kekko: (yes, that's two #) |
| 17:59.09 | kekko | thanks pipatron. will try. chops : i'll be back :) |
| 17:59.11 | brotherJohn1234 | ( mine is slow like hell ) - the -486 runs fast on a pentium4 |
| 17:59.11 | pipatron | kekko: I have the 2100 on a thinkpad X40 as well, and tried a lot of different kernels but it always works |
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| 17:59.35 | kekko | pipatron: never had to patch it yourself? |
| 18:00.08 | CastingCrowns | Hi, can someone help me install a downloaded package? I downloaded a package to my desktop and ran "apt-get install 'path to package'" and its giving me errors. |
| 18:00.13 | pipatron | kekko: No, and I've run debian etch, lenny, and various ubuntus |
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| 18:00.28 | chops | CastingCrowns: dpkg -i |
| 18:00.29 | pgpkeys | dpkg -i ./package.debv |
| 18:00.30 | dpkg | removes a kidney from pgpkeys and replaces it with ./package.debv |
| 18:00.32 | pgpkeys | err deb |
| 18:00.49 | chops | CastingCrowns: In general you should use apt instead of downloading by hand and using dpkg |
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| 18:01.21 | kekko | pipatron: with ubuntu was all well too , but not with lenny. what kernel are you running right now? |
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| 18:01.26 | CastingCrowns | chops: Im not sure how to get the package other than downloading it myself, its the non open source VirtualBox |
| 18:01.34 | pgpkeys | chops: true, but if you have the package already then dpkg -i is really the only option |
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| 18:01.39 | pipatron | kekko: 2.6.24-1-686 actually |
| 18:01.42 | cheekee | I am happy with my iPod bcos it has 18GB of space. Is there another player out there that compares space-wise? |
| 18:01.47 | chops | CastingCrowns, pgpkeys: nod |
| 18:02.10 | pipatron | kekko: Sometimes using 2.6.22-3-686 on the same install, and that works fine as well |
| 18:02.11 | CastingCrowns | chops: Im not understanding what your typing to me |
| 18:02.28 | chops | CastingCrowns: I am nodding |
| 18:02.29 | chops | nods |
| 18:02.34 | CastingCrowns | oh, lolo |
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| 18:02.53 | pipatron | kekko: I'm usin lenny too at the moment, btw, without anything patched or any other oddities. |
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| 18:03.38 | CastingCrowns | chops: if I run apt-get check 'package' and it says everything is ok, shouldnt I be able to run install and have it work? |
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| 18:03.55 | kekko | pipatron: any suggestion on how to find the issue? |
| 18:04.03 | chops | CastingCrowns: apt is not designed to install locally downloaded files AFAIK |
| 18:04.10 | CastingCrowns | oh |
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| 18:04.18 | jim | you use dpkg for that |
| 18:04.21 | craigevil | thats what dpkg is for |
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| 18:04.28 | CastingCrowns | that must be why the error message I got was it could not find the package, rofl |
| 18:04.46 | jim | try dpkg --help |
| 18:05.27 | jim | it has quite a few tricks up its sleeve |
| 18:05.50 | pipatron | kekko: No, except for asking the more knowledgable people in ##ibmthinkpad and checking thinkwiki.org |
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| 18:06.16 | kekko | ok thx pipatron |
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| 18:07.33 | jeward | How can I see ALL of the command line of processes using ps? |
| 18:07.54 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: By the way, you can use apt to install VirtualBox as well |
| 18:08.00 | wols | jeward: cat /proc/<pid>/cmdline ? |
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| 18:08.14 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: You just need to enter a repository that has it on your sources.list |
| 18:08.15 | jeward | wols: Oh, sounds awesome, I'll try it! |
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| 18:08.25 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: I could only fine the open source one which does not have usb supprot |
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| 18:08.53 | Yarcanox | blender does not want to use mesa as opengl replacement - why? |
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| 18:09.01 | Yarcanox | it tells me on startup that opengl is not present and refuses to run |
| 18:09.06 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: I am new to debian, and I havent a clue how to even find other sources |
| 18:09.07 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: Ahhhhh... It does not? Have yet to try USB devices on guest OSes... ^^ |
| 18:09.14 | maniacxs | Hi channel, using iceweasel on a debian i noticed that it saved a file to /tmp while the "Do you want to save or open" window was open. It should not be possible, that somebody clicked the ok button. So to doublecheck that nobody clicked it i wanted to ask if this is normal behavior. |
| 18:09.21 | jim | kekko if by upgrading to a new kernel something stops working, why do you upgrade? |
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| 18:09.36 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: Well this is what there web site said. I havent tried myself either |
| 18:10.08 | kekko | jim: i just upgraded from etch to lenny.. and wireless stopped |
| 18:10.18 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: I'm away from my Debian box right now, but I recall seeing USB options when setting VMs and I do use the OSS edition |
| 18:10.35 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: You may want to try that first |
| 18:10.36 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: hmmm |
| 18:10.47 | cheekee | I have etch at the moment. Can I install lenny by using aptitude? |
| 18:10.56 | wols | cheekee: yes |
| 18:10.59 | jeward | Hmmm, I'm upgrading a box from sarge to etch, and as a part of upgrading MySQL, it's searching all mounted disks for *.ISM files. |
| 18:10.59 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: Well this is more of a learning thing for me too. |
| 18:11.04 | wols | !tell cheekee about etch->lenny |
| 18:11.17 | jeward | It's taking forever (I have a LOT of disk mounted). |
| 18:11.19 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: echo "deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian etch non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install virtualbox-ose |
| 18:11.35 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: STOP! |
| 18:11.46 | wols | !info virtualbox-ose |
| 18:11.47 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: :O Oh man, how do you find these things? |
| 18:11.52 | dpkg | virtualbox-ose: (x86 virtualization solution - binaries), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.5.6-dfsg-3 (sid), Packaged size: 6230 kB, Installed size: 20012 kB |
| 18:11.55 | DeadFishMan | That first command should be echo "deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian etch non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:12.05 | wols | DeadFishMan: no need for that |
| 18:12.21 | DeadFishMan | A single > would overwrite your sources.list completely. |
| 18:12.45 | cheekee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.46 | cheekee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.55 | wols | cheekee: no |
| 18:13.00 | DeadFishMan | wols: Oh, is it available on the regular repositories? |
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| 18:13.21 | DeadFishMan | wols: I was so used to getting it from virtualbox.org that I didn't notice it... |
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| 18:13.40 | cheekee | thats what I saw on the web :-( Any other ideas? |
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| 18:14.04 | wols | cheekee: dpkg gave you the way to do it |
| 18:14.40 | cheekee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.33 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: this is what I got after trying to add the source: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 390EC3FF927CCC73 |
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| 18:20.15 | yacc | Any way to install Debian on a headless system? |
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| 18:22.02 | CastingCrowns | jim: Hey, dpkg worked great with the -i command. Thanks |
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| 18:22.15 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: You need to apt-get the public key so that apt will trust that repository. Funny that it used to be easy to find on the VB website but now that the download page takes you to a Sun webpage, I can see it anywhere |
| 18:22.25 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: Give me a moment... |
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| 18:22.38 | solidvrovicc | hi, how can i remove the grub from mbr so theres only the windows boot loader in mbr, cause im going to erase debian partitions for windows to standalon but im afraid the grub will give me an error if i eras the partitions just like that |
| 18:23.01 | craigevil | use the windows disk to do fix.mbr |
| 18:23.10 | edistar | yacc: via serial |
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| 18:23.27 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: Im not to up to speed on the command line ways, is there a way to hget the key using synaptic package manager or something gui based?? |
| 18:24.04 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: That way I can repeat the procedure down the road and wont have to worry about typing the wrong letter and hosing my system :P |
| 18:26.11 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: I usually think that using the command line is easier to remember than Synaptic. To be honest, I can't even drive you through Synaptic from the top of my head without seeing it as I hardly se it these days ^_^ |
| 18:26.57 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: But you can certainly do the same things using Synaptic (not sure about entering the pubkey for that repo, though) |
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| 18:27.22 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: hmmm |
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| 18:27.54 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: Well doesnt matter atm, I used dpkg -i to install the non open source virtualbox and it worked great |
| 18:28.23 | yacc | edistar: DHCP+ssh? *whistle* |
| 18:28.33 | fordboy0 | CastingCrowns: If you use NoMachine NX, VirtualBox plays more nicely than VMWare too :) |
| 18:28.45 | cheekee | Iam upgrading from etch to lenny at the moment...The only problem so far is that lenny-backports doesn't exist as a source unlike etch-backports. What to do? |
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| 18:28.59 | yacc | edistar: That would mean only that I need a null modem cable plus an usbserial device for my laptop. |
| 18:29.03 | CastingCrowns | fordboy0: ?? What is NcMachine? |
| 18:29.24 | fordboy0 | It's a remote access display technology... http://www.nomachine.com |
| 18:29.35 | edistar | yacc: you have local access? then use aa serial cable, otherwise no idea |
| 18:29.39 | fordboy0 | They have a free, 2 user, 2 concurrent connection version. |
| 18:29.57 | fordboy0 | All over SSH, it's sweet :) |
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| 18:30.07 | yacc | edistar: I do have local access, but no monitor, perhaps a keyboard, if I look for it hard enough. |
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| 18:30.24 | yacc | Any idea of a live ISO image that would DHCP and allow ssh connections? |
| 18:30.38 | yacc | That should be enough to get a debootstrap going, ... |
| 18:30.59 | DeadFishMan | fordboy0: I have to second that. NX is awesome! |
| 18:31.21 | CastingCrowns | fordboy0: What is this? Your guest is hosted somewhere on the net? Is that the right conclusion I am getting? |
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| 18:31.39 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: I just found what you need to do to install the pubkey for that VB repo |
| 18:31.49 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: type this as root |
| 18:31.50 | fordboy0 | CastingCrowns, you can use it to access your machine from anywhere. Full desktop or seamless applications. |
| 18:31.54 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: wget -q http://www.virtualbox.org/debian/innotek.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add - |
| 18:31.58 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: Agreed. |
| 18:32.56 | CastingCrowns | fordboy0: hmm. I dont really have a use for it, but it sure sounds cool |
| 18:32.59 | fordboy0 | CastingCrowns: Or you can proxy a local (to the NX server) RDP session from a Windoze box. |
| 18:33.06 | DeadFishMan | fordboy0: I cannot stress enough how much faster than RDP NX is. I have used it with as little as a 256 K DSL connection sucessfully |
| 18:33.15 | edistar | yacc, connect your pc to the machine you want to install on via serial cable, start minicom on your pc and pass the kernel options on the machine 'blindly' so that it'll be controlled by serial. then you have a commandline via serial cable..i did that twice for an old sparc |
| 18:33.33 | DeadFishMan | fordboy0: And all that inside a SSH tunnel! |
| 18:34.00 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: I'm part of the NX sales / support team in the US, so I'm somewhat biased... lol |
| 18:34.12 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: Have you played with the NX Web Companion yet? |
| 18:34.17 | DeadFishMan | fordboy0: W00t! ^^ |
| 18:34.26 | yacc | edistar: I know how to do a serial install. My problem is that I'm missing a serial port on my laptop, which again means unnecessary spent time (going to a shop) and money. |
| 18:34.38 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: I work for a company in Cincinnati, and we got in bed with them a couple of years ago. It's been awesome to watch it grow. |
| 18:34.43 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: What is wget and is it diferent than apt-get? |
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| 18:35.08 | DeadFishMan | fordboy0: Not yet... Does it work like that Citrix thing where you can access remote apps using a menu on a web browser? |
| 18:35.19 | yacc | CastingCrowns: wget fetches http/ftp urls. |
| 18:35.30 | edistar | yacc: ok,sry thought u didn't get it.. |
| 18:35.32 | yacc | CastingCrowns: apt-get fetches/installs debian packages. |
| 18:35.41 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: wget is a command that allows one to perform downloads through HTTP or FTP using the command line. It is usually used to automate download, mirror FTP sites, etc. |
| 18:35.50 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: Sort of, yes. It uses a Java wrapper to determine your architecture, then it downloads a BLOB into the Java cache and runs it from there. You can incorporate it easily in to any existing web site. |
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| 18:36.00 | yacc | edistar: Well, my current plan is do go with a customizable recovery CD image, ... |
| 18:36.04 | DeadFishMan | fordboy0: Sweeeeet!!! |
| 18:36.08 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: I use it for my band mates to have access to the tools on my box at home ;) |
| 18:36.17 | yacc | edistar: test it with VBox. |
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| 18:36.53 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: Debian sure doesnot do allot of work for you, openSuse added keys and what for you automatically. was very nice. Debian is going to take some getting used to. |
| 18:36.54 | yacc | edistar: that leaves the question if it's possible to start the Debian installer manually from a "running" system, or if I have to go the debootstrap way. |
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| 18:37.16 | cheekee | Will backports.org programs which work on Etch, also work on Lenny? |
| 18:37.26 | edistar | yacc: i think you need the bootstrap |
| 18:37.29 | fordboy0 | CastingCrowns: There are things that Debian does that SuSE only wishes it did... |
| 18:37.39 | fordboy0 | CastingCrowns: dpkg-reconfigure comes to mind :-D |
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| 18:37.58 | CastingCrowns | fordboy0: not famililar with it :D |
| 18:37.59 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: Yes, other distros do some handholding for you but I learned that once you get a Debian system the way you want, it is way more reliable and performs better than most of those distros |
| 18:38.18 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: Well this is why I am here :D |
| 18:38.22 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: It does require some fiddling with your system manually, but it is very rewarding |
| 18:38.29 | fordboy0 | CastingCrowns: update-alternatives too... There are many great tools in the debian world. |
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| 18:38.42 | stew | CastingCrowns: debian packages will isntall keys automatically as well |
| 18:38.52 | DeadFishMan | fordboy0: dpkg-reconfigure indeed is one of these things that I can't live any longer |
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| 18:38.56 | fordboy0 | CastingCrowns: I'll get flamed for this, but if you REALLY want to learn how linux works, try Linux From Scratch, or Slackware (another massive fav of mine) |
| 18:39.05 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: I liked Suse, but there were some thing that pissed me off. Things werent working right, so I started to mess with other distros, and Suse and Debian were the best I triedd |
| 18:39.24 | pgpkeys | I |
| 18:39.25 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: Agreed, wholeheartedly. |
| 18:39.27 | stew | CastingCrowns: however, if some random respository was able to install a key that you trust into your apt without you verifying a trust path, then what would be the point of having keys? |
| 18:39.33 | DeadFishMan | fordboy0, CastingCrowns: module assistant is other of these things that makes your life easier on Debian |
| 18:39.35 | pgpkeys | I'll second fordboy0's LFS |
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| 18:39.55 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: Never use it... :( |
| 18:40.03 | pgpkeys | truly the best way to learn how a distribution is designed, configured, and maintained |
| 18:40.16 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: I still have some of my old ways... |
| 18:40.18 | fordboy0 | lol |
| 18:40.29 | pgpkeys | goes back to setting up wordpress 2.5-RC1 |
| 18:40.34 | fordboy0 | pgpkeys: Exactly. I recommend it to all who REALLY want to know. |
| 18:40.51 | pgpkeys | fordboy0: I used to be a member of that project when it first started. :) |
| 18:40.53 | CastingCrowns | DeadFishMan: ROFL, I thought of doing Linux from the ground up, but I heard thats is a real pain. I dont have the time for that...maybe in my VirtualBox I can slowly learn it, |
| 18:40.57 | pgpkeys | contributing member that is |
| 18:41.01 | fordboy0 | pgpkeys: Awesome! |
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| 18:41.09 | DeadFishMan | fordboy0: Used to be a life saver when I had to install some kernel modules that had to be compiled from source such as my webcam (gspca) and kqemu, for instance |
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| 18:41.18 | elwood_ | hi all |
| 18:41.49 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: I just do that crap by hand. Glutton for punishment, but then again, I'm running: Linux kyle 2.6.25-rc6 #1 SMP Tue Mar 25 12:07:26 EDT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:42.02 | elwood_ | how to redo installation scripts? i need to install a new grub... |
| 18:42.03 | DeadFishMan | CastingCrowns: As someone else already said, Slackware is nice if you want to learn Linux. Debian and Slackware -in that particular order - are my favorites |
| 18:42.04 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: fresh baked today. lol |
| 18:42.14 | DeadFishMan | lol |
| 18:42.29 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: I'm also a huge FreeBSD fan. They call me the distro whore at the office. lol |
| 18:42.55 | CastingCrowns | Well, thanks for all the help all who assisted me. have to head off to the old salt mines. |
| 18:42.56 | DeadFishMan | lol |
| 18:43.00 | linkslice | what's 'the debian way' of changing IP's gateway etc... |
| 18:43.04 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: I had to use OpenSuse 10.2 as my desktop for a whole month for a bet... It's a PITA and painfully slow. |
| 18:43.07 | CastingCrowns | waves goodbye |
| 18:43.11 | fordboy0 | l8r |
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| 18:43.37 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: But it looks pretty out of the box. |
| 18:43.39 | CastingCrowns | fordboy0: Ahhh, a main reason I left Suse, S...L...O...W.... |
| 18:43.43 | zicho | Is there anyway to make a key combination to always paste a certain text? |
| 18:43.44 | DeadFishMan | fordboy0: Have yet to try FreeBSD. It is one of those things that I set my mind to do it but never took the time to do it ^^ |
| 18:43.58 | fordboy0 | CastingCrowns: You said it brother. |
| 18:44.03 | stew | zicho: where? |
| 18:44.05 | CastingCrowns | later |
| 18:44.11 | fordboy0 | DeadFishMan: Just make sure to look at the totally AWESOME handbook. |
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| 18:44.45 | DeadFishMan | fordboy0: Will do. A few friends of mine have been pushing me to do it lately :) |
| 18:44.46 | stew | fordboy0: DeadFishMan: can you please take the off-topic conversation to #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 18:44.53 | zicho | stew, what do you mean? I mean like ctrl + v, but its always the same text. I want to have a certain phrase pasted when i press a key combo |
| 18:44.54 | fordboy0 | Stew: Sorry. |
| 18:45.06 | DeadFishMan | stew: Sorry for the off-topic |
| 18:45.08 | fordboy0 | Stew: will keep it Debian only. |
| 18:45.10 | stew | zicho: anywhere? |
| 18:45.18 | stew | zicho: or in one cetain application? |
| 18:45.22 | zicho | stew, anywhere |
| 18:46.24 | stew | off-hand, i don't know of a way, unless you could get your window manager to do something for you |
| 18:47.09 | zicho | stew, okay, thx anyway |
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| 18:47.51 | cheekee | Aha! I see now, a bit too late that by upgrading to Lenny, from Etch, I lose backports.org support. |
| 18:48.19 | stew | cheekee: since backports.org is backports of packages from lenny, there is no reason |
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| 18:49.30 | cheekee | stew: Ok! Fingers crossed! My dist-upgrade is due to end in 2hrs |
| 18:51.20 | LemensTS | Building firewall/router and fileserver for backups.....been reading about debian firewalls, i usually do openBSD. What iptables apt to you prefer that is easy, im just average linux guy still |
| 18:52.36 | abrotman | LemensTS: "iptables apt" ? |
| 18:52.49 | stew | to you |
| 18:52.56 | mquin | personally I just use iptables, iptables-save and iptables-restore. If you prefer a bit more handholding I've heard good things about firestarter. |
| 18:53.40 | linkslice | where do I set the default gateway to be read on boot? |
| 18:53.57 | abrotman | linkslice: man 5 interfaces |
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| 18:54.17 | linkslice | is reading |
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| 18:55.06 | LemensTS | mquin: Yea that looks nice, ill try that. Think samba would be a good fileserver to go with it? |
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| 18:56.17 | Aleera | I installed my first operating system ( Mandriva ) and the bootloader for it was set for GRUB graphical... and now I am trying to install Debian as the second operating system but its asking me about the partition I set for it, ether to give it a bootable flag or not. |
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| 18:56.32 | Aleera | Should I? or would GRUB itself or however pick up on it some other way? |
| 18:56.37 | czr | silly question, how do I install a package with all the deps without apt-get asking any interactive questions? (samba is the package in question) |
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| 18:57.15 | edistar | czr: check apt --help |
| 18:58.33 | czr | edistar, well, I got past the "press Y to continue download"-phase with -y, but the package asks interactive questions and can't see how apt-get --help really helps ;-) |
| 18:58.45 | Aleera | could someone tell me about should or shouldnt having the bootable flag on every partition where an OS is? |
| 18:58.52 | chops | czr: In general skipping the questions is a bad idea. What are you trying to do? |
| 18:59.01 | chops | czr: If the questions weren't useful, they wouldn't get asked :-) |
| 18:59.14 | czr | chops, to install the package, then turn the service off, then tar xzvf an older config and files |
| 18:59.33 | xai | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.34 | czr | older here still means compatible. |
| 18:59.38 | chops | czr: Why not just give random answers? Are you trying to automate this process? |
| 18:59.47 | czr | chops, yes. |
| 18:59.48 | stew | Aleera: if you are using a linux boot loader like grub or lilo, you don't need the bootable flag |
| 19:00.01 | stew | Aleera: (it will be ignored anyway) |
| 19:00.01 | Aleera | ok |
| 19:00.08 | Aleera | ok |
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| 19:00.51 | _rfl | i've just done a grub-install. http://pastie.caboo.se/170427 |
| 19:01.11 | _rfl | how to be sure that is installed? why that LILO strings still appear? |
| 19:01.49 | stew | _rfl: i don't know. but i've done the same, and seen LILO strings remain after grub was succesfully installed as well |
| 19:02.13 | _rfl | ok, so i cross fingers and reboot |
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| 19:02.30 | ttyS1 | I have an Intel 82845G/GL video card. I;m using the i810 driver but I can only get an 800x600 or 1024x768 when the depth is set to 8 |
| 19:02.36 | mquin | czr: it's a bit of a pain acheive. The scripts I use to do unattended installs are using 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -y -q -q install -o "DPkg::Options::=--force-confold"' |
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| 19:03.13 | czr | mquin, thanks, that looks like the thing I'm looking for. slightly pita yes but as long as it works .. :-) |
| 19:03.15 | chops | ttyS1: What version of Debian? |
| 19:03.16 | ttyS1 | if I use a depth of 24 I can only use 640x480 |
| 19:03.19 | mquin | and it still gets tripped up by the odd package which _really_ _really_ wants to ask a question |
| 19:03.33 | czr | mquin, I'll try it out now. fingers crossed :-) |
| 19:03.49 | chops | czr: You can always modify the samba package the contain the config you want and not ask any questions, and then install the locally-compiled version instead |
| 19:03.54 | czr | mquin, why two -q's? |
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| 19:04.09 | ttyS1 | chops: 2.6.18 |
| 19:04.16 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 19:04.20 | jelly-home | czr: "be real quiet"? :-) |
| 19:04.21 | chops | ttyS1: That's not a Debian version. Do you mean etch? |
| 19:04.29 | ttyS1 | chops: yes |
| 19:04.37 | OmiKrOn | hey |
| 19:04.40 | abrotman | ttyS1: that's not right .. i have 1024x768 with 16bpp on an 830 |
| 19:04.50 | OmiKrOn | where can i get a list of official debian apt repos ? |
| 19:04.58 | wols | !tell OmiKrOn about mirors |
| 19:04.59 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 19:04.59 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:05.06 | abrotman | ttyS1: likely your system uses shared RAM and you need to tell X to claim more or have the kernel claim less |
| 19:05.06 | chops | ttyS1: Sid has a much newer intel driver... you could try a backported X server if you're up for a bit of adventure |
| 19:05.09 | wols | !tell OmiKrOn about mirrors |
| 19:05.16 | abrotman | !smack chops |
| 19:05.16 | dpkg | smacks chops upside the head. |
| 19:05.22 | OmiKrOn | thanks |
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| 19:05.25 | czr | well. installing samba this way fails. hmh. |
| 19:05.51 | chops | ttyS1: I have an 855GM and I don't have problems setting 1280x1024 with 16bpp |
| 19:05.57 | abrotman | ttyS1: look in your X log and see how much RAM X thinks it has available to it |
| 19:06.28 | stew | ttyS1: show us /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:06.42 | ttyS1 | abrotman: if I try to force a 24 depth and start x it did gave be a video bios memory error |
| 19:06.52 | ttyS1 | abrotman: let me check |
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| 19:07.18 | czr | ah. it worked. had borken samba-common after testing. thanks a bunch mquin! |
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| 19:09.15 | dury | is there sources for deb cdrom: [Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 _Etch_ euslinux i386 Binary-1 (20051027)]/ unstable contrib main non-free |
| 19:09.21 | abrotman | no |
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| 19:09.58 | dury | abrotman: you telling that to me? |
| 19:10.05 | mquin | czr: "-q" == be quiet, "-q -q" be really quiet |
| 19:10.30 | czr | mquin, jelly-home already got that one. it wasn't important though, just was wondering. thanks. |
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| 19:11.43 | abrotman | dury: yes |
| 19:11.56 | moope2 | I want to mirror a imap server, how would I go about doing this? |
| 19:11.59 | abrotman | dury: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 ... what does it say |
| 19:12.15 | chops | dury: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:12.19 | abrotman | moope2: dovecot,courier,cyrus .. are the three main ones .. look and see which you would prefer |
| 19:12.28 | abrotman | (in no particular ordeR) |
| 19:12.32 | moope2 | I just got an iphone(I know) and I would like to be able to use the email client on it but my work email is behind openvpn |
| 19:12.33 | dury | abrotman: ok hang on |
| 19:12.43 | wols | abrotman: how does this mirror an imap server? |
| 19:12.47 | petemc | moope2: imapsync |
| 19:12.55 | abrotman | wols: mirror ? |
| 19:12.55 | dury | trying to update it and get more missing packages |
| 19:13.04 | wols | < moope2> I want to mirror a imap server |
| 19:13.05 | abrotman | wols: oh .. i thought he just wanted one |
| 19:13.06 | petemc | moope2: tho you can just copy the files directly using conventional methods |
| 19:13.10 | abrotman | moope2: ignore me .. |
| 19:13.25 | adama | I have a weird problem. Any time I apt-get install anything graphical, I get a libpango error and nothing with a GUI will start until I do this (which took a very long time to figure out) and then everything works fine: |
| 19:13.27 | moope2 | petemc: you always seem to have the answers :) |
| 19:13.30 | adama | rm /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so; ln -s /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.1400.1 /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0; ln -s /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.1400.1 /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so |
| 19:13.35 | wols | abrotman: it's a bitch e.g wjhen you want to move imap mailboxes from one imap server to the other since you can't have two of them installed in debian :( |
| 19:13.37 | petemc | shucks |
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| 19:13.45 | moope2 | abrotman, wols, ta for yer help tho |
| 19:14.11 | chops | adama: Sounds like you have out of date locally installed pango libs |
| 19:14.24 | Spec | does $(cat /dev/null) send a null char to the screen? (and/or across an ssh connection)? |
| 19:14.25 | chops | adama: Er, glib libs rather |
| 19:15.07 | adama | can/should I remove something? |
| 19:15.21 | adama | or install something |
| 19:15.23 | Duddle | hello everybody! "apt-get dist-upgrade" would install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686, can I somehow go back to my old kernel if the new one makes troubles? if so, how? |
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| 19:15.36 | chops | adama: You should remove your locally installed libraries ideally and move to using dpkg/apt to manage your software |
| 19:15.37 | dury | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 19:15.39 | wols | adama: why do you have libglib in /usr/local? debian should come with the lib in the repos. no need for /usr/local/ |
| 19:15.42 | ttyS1 | abrotman: I just pasted my x config on paste.lisp.org number 57996 |
| 19:15.43 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 19:15.48 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 (etch), Packaged size: 4592 kB, Installed size: 11036 kB |
| 19:15.57 | wols | ttyS1: give us the full url. we are lazy |
| 19:15.57 | chops | adama: But what ongoing problem are you encountering? It sounds like you solved it by deleting those libraries. |
| 19:15.59 | abrotman | dury: /msg dpkg sarge->etch .. hold on to your hat and pray ... |
| 19:16.16 | abrotman | ttyS1: i wanted your log .. but okay |
| 19:16.18 | chops | !info libc6 sarge |
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| 19:16.22 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 4771 kB, Installed size: 15320 kB |
| 19:16.29 | adama | chops: it goes back to the wrong libraries every time I install a graphical program with apt-get |
| 19:16.37 | abrotman | ttyS1: and remove the BusID line |
| 19:16.38 | adama | apt-get is basically all I use |
| 19:16.46 | chops | adama: "Basically"? :-) |
| 19:16.58 | adama | I don't know how the libs got there |
| 19:16.59 | wols | adama: those /usr/local/ files didn't come with tapt-get |
| 19:17.22 | chops | adama: Try to find your non-dpkg-managed libraries (maybe using tools like 'cruft') and remove them, and then use debsums to verify that all your dpkg-managed libs are correct and existing |
| 19:17.25 | adama | basically = all the time except when compiling from source or something |
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| 19:18.08 | chops | adama: Right, you shouldn't compile from source unless you're very careful, else you will botch your system |
| 19:18.36 | chops | adama: GNU stow is a useful way to install locally-compiled software without causing a huge hassle when you need to uninstall it or find out what you have |
| 19:18.55 | abrotman | or checkinstall |
| 19:19.23 | dury | abrotman: what you mean.... what I have to do |
| 19:19.39 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 19:19.39 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support for sarge ends on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
| 19:19.49 | chops | dury: You can either upgrade your system to a modern system, or try to use snapshost to preserve your existing sid/testing snapshot |
| 19:19.49 | ttyS1 | the xconfig and log are here http://paste.lisp.org/display/57996 |
| 19:20.08 | DeadFishMan | abrotman: Another vote to checkinstall. When make deb is not an option, checkinstall to the rescue. |
| 19:20.22 | chops | dury: But the way you're using Debian (holding sid/testing at a specific point in time without ever ugprading, and trying to continue to use package management tools) is not a good way to go. For one thing, you don't get security updates. |
| 19:20.37 | abrotman | DeadFishMan: easier to just make a package: ) |
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| 19:20.47 | chops | dury: Better to upgrade to etch (and then possibly to testing/sid if you want) and _then_ try the package operations |
| 19:20.59 | DeadFishMan | abrotman: Yep ^_^ |
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| 19:21.28 | abrotman | ttyS1: VESA VBE Total Mem: 832 kB .. that's not good |
| 19:21.37 | ttyS1 | hum |
| 19:21.47 | abrotman | ttyS1: Will attempt to tell the BIOS that there is 12288 kB VideoRAM |
| 19:21.58 | dury | chops: I'm testing a distro developed here in the basque country |
| 19:22.15 | stew | dury: which distro is that? |
| 19:22.16 | chops | dury: Ah, well then ask them for support |
| 19:22.17 | abrotman | ttyS1: all kinds of conflicting stuff in there |
| 19:22.23 | keith4_ | does anyone find it odd that the bigmem kernel is theoretically compatible with the pentium pro instruction set? |
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| 19:22.30 | abrotman | ttyS1: farther down it says 32MB |
| 19:22.41 | jelly-home | keith4_: why wouldn't it be? |
| 19:22.43 | ttyS1 | abrotman: that's the default configuration debian used |
| 19:22.44 | dury | chops, stew: Euslinux |
| 19:23.05 | dury | chops, stew: based in Debian |
| 19:23.06 | keith4_ | jelly-home: seems like it could be better-optimized by raising the bar a bit, no? |
| 19:23.12 | fengor | !not debian |
| 19:23.13 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 19:23.29 | chops | dury: FWIW, Debian will certainly accept contributions of Basque-specific localizations (translations and such); that's a better way to go in the long run than making a separate "only for Basque" distribution based on Debian |
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| 19:23.46 | stew | dury: that isn't something we support here. you should find a channel suited to your distro, or try a Euslinux mailing list/web-forum |
| 19:23.57 | ttyS1 | abrotman: what should I change on the configuration |
| 19:24.01 | abrotman | ttyS1: i used to have to tell the kernel that i had ##MB less than i actually did if i wanted it to work correctly |
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| 19:24.10 | abrotman | i can't recall if i had to do that with etch |
| 19:24.22 | dury | chops, stew: I thought I can get support here, really sorry |
| 19:24.31 | jelly-home | keith4_: I have no idea about optimizations. What seems to be the issue? |
| 19:24.37 | chops | ttyS1: 'man i810' may tell you what options you can use to specify how much memory to steal (I recall some option about that) |
| 19:24.38 | abrotman | keith4_: PPro is 686 .. they haven't really added much since then |
| 19:24.39 | chops | dury: No worries |
| 19:24.42 | chops | dury: Good luck |
| 19:25.07 | dury | there is not channel to support this |
| 19:25.11 | abrotman | chops: it's already trying to steal 12MB and apparently failing |
| 19:25.11 | keith4_ | abrotman: ah, I guess that's true. just SSE stuff |
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| 19:25.21 | dury | gesss :( |
| 19:25.43 | abrotman | keith4_: uhm .. i thought that was in 686 also .. SSE1 anyways |
| 19:25.44 | chops | ttyS1: Oh, NM, for me it was a BIOS option |
| 19:25.56 | chops | ttyS1: Check to see if there's a "how much memory to reserve for video" option in your BIOS |
| 19:25.59 | keith4_ | abrotman: right, but all they've added is more SSE stuff |
| 19:26.15 | abrotman | keith4_: right .. supposedly marginal .. |
| 19:26.25 | keith4_ | jelly-home: no issues, it just makes me chuckle to consider the theortical possibility of running 8 gigs of ram with a dual PPro box |
| 19:26.31 | ttyS1 | chops: hum ok |
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| 19:27.08 | stew | a more realistic possibility is using an inefficient means to address 256mb with a ppro |
| 19:27.27 | keith4_ | well, yes |
| 19:27.27 | jelly-home | keith4_: eh, ppro+pae, p4+pae, same shit :-) |
| 19:27.34 | keith4_ | ugh, so sad |
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| 19:27.48 | keith4_ | x86 has been dragged through so much mud |
| 19:27.52 | keith4_ | pity it's the standard |
| 19:28.31 | chops | keith4_: Linus actually wrong a piece about how the design of the x86 is a lot more sensible than the more RISCy designs that are more fashionable (though it has accumulated a lot of cruft) |
| 19:28.41 | keith4_ | i only thought of it because some windows idiot asked me why windows could only see 3.5G of ram, and I suggested installing the bigmem kernel |
| 19:29.00 | keith4_ | and when he said he didn't know what that was, i suggested installing debian first |
| 19:29.39 | zamuroff | Any ftp address where I can get sarge netinst cd? |
| 19:29.39 | chops | keith4_: Basically that it's a better idea to have few registers, and a great deal of cleverness about how to deal with using them effectively (looking down the pipeline and loading what'll be needed from cache in time not to stall waiting for RAM), than it is to have a great many registers which are only rarely used |
| 19:29.52 | zamuroff | !sarge |
| 19:29.52 | dpkg | sarge is probably Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/i386/iso-cd/ Security support for Sarge finishes on March 31 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). Ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 19:30.14 | jelly-home | keith4_: well, 3.5G is more than the default Debian kernel can use! |
| 19:30.26 | zinx | jelly-home: only for 32-bit x86 |
| 19:30.39 | keith4_ | zamuroff: there's some japanese guy who has been backporting modern kernels to sarge... i can't find the link, though |
| 19:31.07 | zamuroff | keith4_ No problem. It's OK. Thanks anyways :) |
| 19:31.10 | jelly-home | zinx: yes. we were discussing i386 the whole time. |
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| 19:31.23 | abrotman | zamuroff: ftp.ch.debian.org |
| 19:31.32 | abrotman | !tell keith4_ about kmuto |
| 19:31.34 | zinx | and if someone has a workstation machine with > 2G of ram these days, chances are they also have a 64-bit processor... so no reason they shouldn't be using 64-bit windows/linux :/ |
| 19:31.38 | jelly-home | zinx: using PAE (bigmem) kinda implies 32bit x86 |
| 19:31.41 | keith4_ | abrotman: yah, that's the one! |
| 19:31.59 | zinx | jelly-home: sure, i'm just offering alternatives here |
| 19:32.06 | keith4_ | zinx: there are lots of reasons not to use 64 bit windows, and they're called "drivers" |
| 19:32.16 | adama | chops/wols: removing /usr/local/lib/libglib* entirely seems to have worked. I had been creating symlinks to the correct libs "just in case" and that seemed to be causing weirdness with dpkg |
| 19:32.18 | keith4_ | i know some guys running 64bit debian with much success |
| 19:32.23 | zinx | keith4_: ah, well, that case doesn't exist in Linux |
| 19:32.35 | keith4_ | just lacking some of the little things, like flash player |
| 19:32.47 | zinx | keith4_: flash player works fine here |
| 19:33.00 | zinx | keith4_: via nspluginwrapper |
| 19:33.02 | jelly-home | keith4_: um... what's the case use for a 4GB machine that needs to run flash? |
| 19:33.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: Firefox ... 'nuff said |
| 19:33.29 | zinx | i wouldn't mind having 4GB or more in my workstation, but i do some crazy number crunching from time to time |
| 19:33.30 | ttyS1 | chops: I do have some options to specify the shared system memory and graphics adaptor. Shared mamory is currently set to 1024K and Graphic Adaptor is set to 64Mb |
| 19:33.32 | keith4_ | jelly-home: sorry, I wandered from the discussion. just 64 bit, not necessarily lots of ram |
| 19:33.39 | jelly-home | abrotman: teehee |
| 19:33.43 | ttyS1 | what should I change them to ? |
| 19:33.52 | chops | ttyS1: Try setting shared memory to 12MB |
| 19:35.29 | ttyS1 | chops: the only options are 512k, 8192k and 1024k |
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| 19:35.56 | wols | ttyS1: 8MB then |
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| 19:37.33 | ttyS1 | ok kets see |
| 19:37.36 | ttyS1 | l |
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| 19:38.52 | Ace2016 | ok well |
| 19:39.07 | Ace2016 | wols: whats the uptime of the system your on, i've never seen it not on irc |
| 19:39.41 | Ace2016 | oh wait hang on, nevermind your wols and wols_ so i guess you do turn it off |
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| 19:40.59 | patrick-- | Hey, does anyone know how to solve this error? http://phpfi.com/305192 |
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| 19:42.40 | keith4_ | patrick--: sure, use the correct password |
| 19:42.49 | wols | aleksanteri: no I never turn it off. but my ISP disconnects me once per 24h |
| 19:42.49 | ErikRose | Anybody recall what time of day Debian stable updates? |
| 19:42.50 | ttyS1 | Thanks a lot guys, it is working now |
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| 19:43.05 | patrick-- | ... |
| 19:43.09 | chops | ErikRose: Debian stable doesn't update in general |
| 19:43.17 | chops | ErikRose: Certainly not at a particular time of day... |
| 19:43.18 | keith4_ | and then go ask in #mysql |
| 19:43.19 | wols | ErikRose: there is no set time |
| 19:43.19 | Miesco | A bunch of gnome apps went to 2.22 in lenny, does this mean lenny has gnome 2.22? |
| 19:43.26 | ErikRose | Ah, thanks, wols |
| 19:43.28 | ttyS1 | chops: thanks |
| 19:43.33 | chops | ttyS1: np |
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| 19:43.53 | wols | Miesco: sid and testing sometimes update big things like gnome in "stages" |
| 19:44.01 | wols | so it's not guaranteed that lenny has 2.22 |
| 19:44.09 | chops | !info gnome lenny |
| 19:44.12 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.20.2.2 (lenny), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 19:44.30 | chops | Miesco: Looks like not |
| 19:44.38 | Miesco | Okay |
| 19:45.17 | maligor | Miesco, do you mean at release or right now? |
| 19:45.27 | Miesco | Now |
| 19:45.44 | maligor | even sid doesn't have a complete gnome 2.22 |
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| 19:46.23 | Miesco | I upgraded Deluge in lenny, now it wont work :( |
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| 19:48.09 | Miesco | Wait, its not set up yet |
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| 19:53.28 | tweekster | if iptables is active in the kernel and I have two ips on the same ethernet, lets say 66.123.123.123 and 77.123.123.123 is there anything special that needs to be done, it should just work correct? 66 is pingable, 77 is not, both are active and fine. my iptables rule is as default as can be with nothing defined. |
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| 19:54.40 | opensrcguru | tweekster: verify routing is configured properly to allow traffic to flow in and out of the proper interface(s) |
| 19:54.53 | wols | what has a interface with 2 IPs to do with iptables? |
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| 19:55.09 | tweekster | wols just confirming that it does not in fact have anything to do with them |
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| 19:55.42 | schizophrenie | hi @ all |
| 19:55.44 | wols | it's eth0 and eth0:1, right? |
| 19:55.56 | tweekster | eth1 and eth1:1 but yeah |
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| 19:56.36 | tweekster | personally i think its an issue with the hosting company but i am trying to narrow out every possible reason they inquire about |
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| 19:58.27 | toad_ | is there an official support channel for iceweasel? i'm seeing issues in iceweasel that #firefox on irc.mozilla.org assure me don't happen in mozilla firefox ... (command line options) |
| 19:58.49 | wols | you arein the support channel for it |
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| 20:00.17 | toad_ | hmmm ... in that case, how do i get iceweasel to use an external profile ? |
| 20:00.31 | toad_ | i need to not create a profile, because unfortunately creating a profile can cause serious problems |
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| 20:01.22 | chops | toad_: The profile options in 'man iceweasel' aren't good for you? |
| 20:01.36 | toad_ | chops: good point, thanks |
| 20:02.12 | chops | toad_: Why does creating a profile create serious problems? That part may be worth a bug report |
| 20:02.14 | toad_ | ok, those are the same as the official documentation ... except i can't see any mention of using a profile from a directory ... |
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| 20:02.59 | toad_ | chops: well we need it to work on all supported platforms i.e. both firefox and iceweasel ... on windows, we have a user who installed our app, which then launched a browser with our custom profile ... somehow it's become the default and he can't get his old browser back |
| 20:03.27 | toad_ | i went to the firefox support on irc.mozilla.org, and they said use firefox -p <directory containing external profile> |
| 20:03.38 | toad_ | on iceweasel that produces the profile manager dialog |
| 20:03.51 | toad_ | i'm currently downloading a real version of firefox to see if that's the same |
| 20:04.01 | toad_ | but they say it isn't |
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| 20:04.08 | chops | toad_: Do you need -P perhaps? |
| 20:04.38 | pgpkeys | ff3b4 is messing with my rss feed displays :) |
| 20:04.39 | toad_ | -p and -P produce the same result |
| 20:05.00 | toad_ | -profile does nothing |
| 20:05.09 | toad_ | and relative vs absolute filenames don't seem to help either |
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| 20:06.02 | chops | toad_: Can you pastebin the exact command you're giving to iceweasel on Debian (using -P) that launches the profile manager? Also, I don't think you're supposed to use paths; I think the name of the profile (e.g. "default") is what you give to -P |
| 20:06.32 | toad_ | chops: that's exactly the problem |
| 20:06.39 | toad_ | chops: I don't want to create a profile |
| 20:06.50 | toad_ | chops: if I create a profile, firefox may get bugs that cause it to remember it |
| 20:06.55 | toad_ | and then we get really unhappy users |
| 20:07.12 | chops | toad_: So wait... what are you trying to do? |
| 20:07.19 | abrotman | toad_: just tell them you know what is best ... |
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| 20:07.32 | toad_ | launch a customised firefox profile for freenet |
| 20:07.38 | toad_ | abrotman: :) |
| 20:08.13 | toad_ | with -no-remote and a custom theme so they can have a separate copy of firefox with their default settings for browsing the web |
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| 20:08.44 | cheekee | I have limited space on my PC. If I install Lenny does it remove my previous Etch apps, and save space? |
| 20:08.47 | abrotman | thinks toad_ is doing way too much work |
| 20:08.54 | toad_ | abrotman: possibly |
| 20:08.57 | abrotman | cheekee: it replaces them, though some packages are larger |
| 20:09.08 | dmilith | cheekee: try deborphan.. aptitude first |
| 20:09.15 | abrotman | cheekee: when it's all over .. aptitude clean to remove cached packages |
| 20:09.17 | dmilith | look for docs packages for example |
| 20:09.25 | abrotman | dmilith: he's already in the middle of the dist-upgrade |
| 20:09.26 | dmilith | apt-get clean |
| 20:09.34 | toad_ | ahhh fsck |
| 20:09.36 | dmilith | abrotman: i see.. |
| 20:10.05 | toad_ | okay even on iceweasel, if i launch one firefox with -no-remote -profile <my profile name>, it will remember it and then when i launch another firefox without any options, it uses the same theme |
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| 20:10.18 | cheekee | abrotman: and dmilith thanks....I was happy with Etch. I hope Lenny is not too unstable |
| 20:10.28 | toad_ | fsck |
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| 20:10.50 | dmilith | cheekee: sid is stable too.. depends on what You expect to do on it |
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| 20:11.05 | abrotman | FSVO stable |
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| 20:12.12 | dmilith | abrotman: it depends what do You mean saying "stable" |
| 20:12.19 | cheekee | Is Sid the latest? Hmm! I think after my Fedora experience I am happy to be just a li'l bit behind the cutting edge of technology |
| 20:12.19 | abrotman | !fsvo |
| 20:12.19 | dpkg | methinks fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 20:12.33 | abrotman | dmilith: that's what i said |
| 20:12.51 | dmilith | !sid |
| 20:12.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 20:13.33 | abrotman | dmilith: and this channel does not recommend unstable to people new to debian |
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| 20:14.05 | dmilith | abrotman: it's reasonable.. i'm not new to debian ;} |
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| 20:14.27 | abrotman | dmilith: i wasn't talking about you using it .. i was talking about you advocating it |
| 20:14.30 | dC`Arsenic | Hey guys |
| 20:14.55 | dmilith | abrotman: i'm not. only said about stability of debian at all.. |
| 20:15.02 | dC`Arsenic | Looking to install Debian console version onto my old PC to play around with. Any good guides out there? |
| 20:15.07 | dmilith | experimental is really unstable imho |
| 20:15.44 | abrotman | experimental is not a branch of debian |
| 20:16.01 | abrotman | dC`Arsenic: the install manual .. debian.org has a link on the left side |
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| 20:16.12 | dmilith | it is not.. i know |
| 20:17.18 | private_meta | meh. |
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| 20:18.32 | dC`Arsenic | I have an AMD processor. But not sure whether to download the AMD64 iso? |
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| 20:18.50 | cheekee | dpkg: just what I thought! Fedora 7 was released while still unstable and I have no doubt that Fedora 8 is unstable too, even though it doesnt have the tag yet. After trying Fedora 7 and crashing my PC, I am wary of "latest" versions. |
| 20:18.50 | dpkg | that's too long, cheekee |
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| 20:19.08 | abrotman | dC`Arsenic: i'd say no |
| 20:19.11 | abrotman | cheekee: dpkg is a bot |
| 20:19.28 | dC`Arsenic | So, which do i choose? |
| 20:19.29 | abrotman | dC`Arsenic: i'd go with i386 |
| 20:19.29 | wols | dC`Arsenic: how much ram do you have? and: desktop or server? |
| 20:19.32 | dC`Arsenic | Ok |
| 20:19.33 | cheekee | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 20:19.45 | dC`Arsenic | It's a 2GHz AMD Athlon XP, 512mb RAM |
| 20:19.53 | wols | definitely i386 |
| 20:19.57 | dC`Arsenic | Old PC i had lying around |
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| 20:20.15 | wols | 64bit is not worthwhile until you have at least > 2GB |
| 20:20.18 | dC`Arsenic | Wait. 21 CD's? |
| 20:20.24 | wols | dC`Arsenic: no |
| 20:20.40 | wols | get the 150MB live CD ISO. 21CDs is the FULL debian which you never need to download |
| 20:20.59 | dC`Arsenic | I'm on the torrent page |
| 20:21.00 | wols | !d-i |
| 20:21.00 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 20:21.07 | mirak | are there any tool that can check endianess vailidity of C code ? |
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| 20:21.12 | prolix_ | hello. would anyone happen to know the linux equivalent of hdiutil? |
| 20:21.13 | wols | all you need is either the first CD or the 150MB netinst ISO |
| 20:21.15 | fordboy0 | dC`Arsenic: Or perhaps get the full CD1 |
| 20:21.22 | fordboy0 | w00t! |
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| 20:21.32 | wols | prolix_: what does hdiutil do? |
| 20:21.59 | wols | markybob: ##C |
| 20:22.03 | wols | mirak: ##C |
| 20:22.05 | prolix_ | allows for disk management. hdiutil attach foo hdiutil detach foo |
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| 20:22.18 | wols | prolix_: you simply mount the partition |
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| 20:22.22 | dC`Arsenic | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:22.25 | dC`Arsenic | Is that what i need? |
| 20:22.35 | prolix_ | wols: thank you |
| 20:22.46 | wols | dC`Arsenic: yes. IF you have internet access with that system |
| 20:22.51 | wols | !tell dC`Arsenic about ig |
| 20:23.02 | cheekee | abrotman: but dpkg gives good advice, albeit a bit unconventional. Is it run by artificial intelligence? |
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| 20:23.16 | abrotman | cheekee: no .. it's just a bot that we stuff full of junk |
| 20:23.18 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 20:23.18 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 20:23.56 | jelly-home | !abrotmansmite |
| 20:23.56 | dpkg | smites abrotman |
| 20:24.00 | dC`Arsenic | Yeah i have an internet connection on it. |
| 20:24.12 | cheekee | abrotman: That means junk is cool! Time to have a disgusting Big Mac! |
| 20:24.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: someone doesn't know how to use the bot |
| 20:24.16 | jelly-home | dpkg, you fail |
| 20:24.17 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 20:24.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: looking at the creator .. it makes sense |
| 20:24.57 | dC`Arsenic | It's got windows XP on it at the moment. If i get the ISO onto that PC, is it possible to boot through daemontools. Or do i NEED to burn it>? |
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| 20:25.26 | wols | dC`Arsenic: goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 20:25.44 | dC`Arsenic | I'm no where near a microsoft fan boy :) |
| 20:25.46 | wols | the netinst iso must be burned. the url I gave you not. but it's not supported here |
| 20:25.58 | wols | the url is for a debian installer running under windows |
| 20:26.05 | dC`Arsenic | Oh. |
| 20:26.07 | dC`Arsenic | Sorry lol |
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| 20:27.36 | dC`Arsenic | I presume that's the newest version of debian it will install? |
| 20:27.48 | dC`Arsenic | Will it install grub boot menu too? So i can choose OS at startup? |
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| 20:28.34 | abrotman | the newest *stable* version .. yes |
| 20:28.43 | dC`Arsenic | Ok, thats what i wanted anyway |
| 20:28.49 | dC`Arsenic | Ok and GRUB? |
| 20:28.56 | wols | yes it will install grub |
| 20:29.14 | dC`Arsenic | Sweet, sorry for all the questions. Usually servers come pre-installed |
| 20:29.18 | dC`Arsenic | Right, i'll be back later |
| 20:29.18 | cheekee | I am upgrading to lenny from Etch... I now have a window asking whether I want to keep or touch the kernel keymap. Why should I say yes? |
| 20:29.56 | wols | cheekee: let it be |
| 20:30.17 | cheekee | wols: keep ty |
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| 20:32.05 | blizzkid | hi all, is there a quick way to download build-essential AND dependancies from a Windows client? |
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| 20:33.43 | wols | !tell blizzkid about apt-zip |
| 20:35.00 | cheekee | How can you install lenny with both kdm and gdm stopped? reboot? |
| 20:35.12 | fordboy0 | Just working on something here and am having a brain fart. Any thoughts about disabling scp access while still allowing ssh login access? |
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| 20:35.30 | Justin | fordboy0: that isn't really possible |
| 20:35.55 | Justin | fordboy0: you can always dd if=file | ssh host 'dd of=file' |
| 20:36.01 | fordboy0 | Yes, I know that... |
| 20:36.02 | fordboy0 | BUT |
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| 20:36.09 | blizzkid | wols: isn't apt-zip for linux? |
| 20:36.12 | fordboy0 | This particular customer is giving me grief... |
| 20:36.23 | fordboy0 | It's not really in the scope of what I support, but... |
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| 20:36.32 | prolix_ | if i wanted to tar the file example.txt would i: tar -cvvf example.tar example.txt? |
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| 20:36.46 | wols | blizzkid: wget is availab le for windows too |
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| 20:37.04 | fordboy0 | Justin: If I figure out a solution, I'll mention it. |
| 20:37.25 | Justin | fordboy0: you can turn of sftp.. |
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| 20:37.40 | blizzkid | wols: I know, but how will that make it easier to get all dependencies? |
| 20:37.48 | Justin | fordboy0: you could deny the user access to /usr/bin/scp on the server |
| 20:37.48 | fordboy0 | Justin: Yes, indeed. I'm thinking rssh may be an answer to this predicament. |
| 20:37.58 | Justin | fordboy0: then they would have to know how to use the dd method |
| 20:38.00 | mike1o | I've got several boxes stuck with this package: libdjvulibre ... is this a common problem? |
| 20:38.03 | fordboy0 | Justin: That was my first suggestion to the customer. ;) |
| 20:38.13 | wols | !btssmite mike1o |
| 20:38.13 | dpkg | beats mike1o around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if mike1o is running Unstable |
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| 20:38.26 | fordboy0 | Justin: The dd, or cat across SSH still amazes people. lol |
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| 20:38.48 | Justin | fordboy0: that is pretty much what scp does for you |
| 20:38.52 | jelly-home | wols: beating with a chainsaw sounds unreasonable! |
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| 20:39.07 | wols | jelly-home: as long as it hurts, I don't care |
| 20:39.12 | Justin | fordboy0: I wrote a program that syncs block devices over ssh :) |
| 20:39.27 | Justin | fordboy0: ah.. I think you can turn off the running of commands in non-interactive sessions |
| 20:39.28 | fordboy0 | Justin: That's pretty awesome... Kind of like dbrd? |
| 20:39.40 | Justin | fordboy0: no, like rsync, but for block devices in place |
| 20:39.46 | jelly-home | Justin: was it called zumastor? |
| 20:39.51 | Justin | jelly-home: blocksync |
| 20:40.11 | fordboy0 | Justin: Awesome, that would come in REAL handy for me. |
| 20:40.16 | cheekee | I am getting lots of error msgs on my lenny install , I hope I still have a PC when I reboot |
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| 20:40.23 | Justin | fordboy0: I use it for xen migration |
| 20:40.37 | fordboy0 | Justin: Perfect example... |
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| 20:41.01 | fordboy0 | Justin: I'm off to look for the disabling of commands in non-interactive sessions :) |
| 20:41.05 | fordboy0 | I'll be in chat. |
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| 20:41.27 | Justin | fordboy0: pretty sure you can do it, I forget the sshd_config option for it |
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| 20:41.28 | OmiKrOn | hey how do I see if my kernel has a specific built in module? |
| 20:41.44 | prolix_ | would tar czf dogpic.jpeg.tar.gz work? |
| 20:41.44 | wols | OmiKrOn: ls /boot/config* |
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| 20:41.47 | jelly-home | OmiKrOn: modinfo modulename |
| 20:41.48 | fordboy0 | Justin: Thanks for the tip |
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| 20:42.55 | prolix_ | or does it need to not have the original extension in the path for it to work properly? |
| 20:43.23 | jelly-home | OmiKrOn: sorry, my answer is wrong if you're looking for compiled in features |
| 20:43.44 | OmiKrOn | yeah |
| 20:43.48 | OmiKrOn | that's what im looking for |
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| 20:46.29 | cheekee | While upgrading to lenny I repeatedly get the message, locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory. What do I need to do to save the system? |
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| 20:47.26 | jelly-home | cheekee: it's just an annoyance, that will go away once the "locales" package is configured |
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| 20:48.01 | cheekee | jelly-home: thanks. I hope so |
| 20:48.49 | grendal_prime | ok rsync question for anyone with the balls to answer... BACKDIR="/mnt/mystuff/logs/*/20080325/18" DESTDIR="/mnt/backups/" |
| 20:50.18 | ramley | I wanted to install debian, but now I'm wondering if I should use the debian-derived sidux. what do you recommend? how different is sidux from sid? |
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| 20:51.56 | pleed__ | Is it possible to define a umask per directory? i ve got a directory where i want everything to be 770. |
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| 20:52.02 | grendal_prime | that puts all the stuff in the various * folders with that sub path into just the backups folder. I need it to generate the sub folders at the new location |
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| 20:54.14 | jaggy- | Hi, I can't find this file in any debian packages: http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-pixma.5.html |
| 20:54.23 | jaggy- | sane-pixma seems to be required to use my canon scanner |
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| 20:56.22 | stew | jaggy-: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:56.42 | stew | pleed__: no |
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| 20:58.17 | ramley | I wanted to install debian, but now I'm wondering if I should use the debian-derived sidux. what do you recommend? how different is sidux from sid? |
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| 20:59.02 | g3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.28 | pleed__ | stew: so how to solve the following issue: i ve got a git repository in a folder /home/git/project. there are two users A and B who are both in the git group to be able to write into /home/git/project. now they both shall be able to write to everything in the folder |
| 20:59.38 | dondelelcaro | g3: www-data has no valid password, so it having a shell is perfectly fine. |
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| 21:01.04 | g3 | dondelelcaro, but is that right? (security I mean).. |
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| 21:01.29 | dondelelcaro | g3: yes, it's fine. |
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| 21:01.45 | gangsterlicious | which util contains dos2unix? |
| 21:01.52 | dondelelcaro | !tell gangsterlicious -about search |
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| 21:02.20 | gangsterlicious | thanks |
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| 21:02.33 | cheekee | ramley: I don't know much about Sidux, but I would think anything related to Sid is still experimental |
| 21:02.44 | wols | !sidux |
| 21:02.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ irc.oftc.net. See also <based on Debian caveats>. |
| 21:03.49 | jaggy- | stew, I don't have the file |
| 21:04.02 | jaggy- | it's in the sane project, but I can't find a debian package which contains it -- I want it. :) |
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| 21:05.27 | UserReg_CL | hi... etch support IFB ?? |
| 21:05.38 | wols | jaggy-: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=sane-pixma&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 21:05.41 | jaggy- | oh.. I'm at etch, that's why |
| 21:05.46 | cheekee | ramley: I would suggest Debian Etch, first and then upgrade at your own discretion |
| 21:05.51 | wols | jaggy-: it's a manpage. and debian has the manpage you seek |
| 21:06.18 | jaggy- | okay, no it's not why.. looking to see if that file's here, wols |
| 21:06.50 | wols | debian has that file in package libsane |
| 21:07.10 | jaggy- | there it is.. right there. I wonder why my scanner's not working. It's recognized then erroring and sane-find-scanner says "it may or may not be supported" |
| 21:07.48 | stew | dpkg: tell jaggy- about apt-file |
| 21:08.21 | wols | jaggy-: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html |
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| 21:08.38 | jaggy- | bleh: failed: Operation not supported |
| 21:08.39 | stew | pleed__: add them both to the same group, make the directories g+rsw (the +s being the magic part) |
| 21:08.42 | UserReg_CL | hi... etch support IFB ?? |
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| 21:08.51 | gui_ | hi |
| 21:08.56 | wols | UserReg_CL: what is IFB? |
| 21:09.14 | stew | pleed__: and both users will need to be using umask 007 or less when the create new files |
| 21:09.41 | UserReg_CL | is the succesor to the IMQ |
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| 21:09.58 | abrotman | icq? |
| 21:10.06 | jaggy- | okay.. thanks wols. It says it's minimally supported, and asks if greyscale and the ADF work in the comment.. strange. but very good.. progress being made :) |
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| 21:10.46 | prolix_ | is it possible to change the uname -a command to display the name of the o.s.? |
| 21:11.07 | wols | abrotman: it's some sort of traffic shaping |
| 21:11.08 | UserReg_CL | not... IMQ is by add polices qdisc at one device (ej. eth0) |
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| 21:11.26 | BenC` | prolix_: uname -o ? |
| 21:11.34 | prolix_ | i mean, is it possible to have the o.s. change from Linux to Debian? |
| 21:11.41 | wols | UserReg_CL: is IFB in vanilla kernels? and if so since what version? |
| 21:11.47 | wols | if it is: yes. if it's not: no |
| 21:11.47 | prolix_ | BenC`: thank you. i've tried that with Linux being the result. |
| 21:12.02 | UserReg_CL | but... IMQ is old... and need kwnon if etch 40r3 support IFB |
| 21:12.08 | wols | prolix_: possible yes, desirable no |
| 21:12.09 | jaggy- | it's so lame these companies don't provide linux drivers by now.. this printer's been around for years |
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| 21:12.27 | prolix_ | wols: thank you again :) |
| 21:12.35 | BenC` | prolix_: you asked for the os name, not distro's |
| 21:12.47 | jaggy- | may be they have relationships with MS and stuff |
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| 21:13.19 | UserReg_CL | qdisc class ... htb qos... etch 40r3.. support IFB ? |
| 21:13.30 | prolix_ | BenC`: yeah, you'll have to pardon my choice of words, i'm pretty new and i don't fully understand all of the nuances yet. |
| 21:14.07 | BenC` | my fault, sorry. Ithough you were talking 'bout what "uname -o" is showing |
| 21:14.35 | jaggy- | otherwise, doesn't a company get popular when linuxie people hear "so and so works with the video4linux project -- so nearly all their cameras have working drivers already in place. They don't offer direct tech support, but the drivers exist." .. Is that so bad? Are the linux/unix folk so small in population that it doesn't matter? |
| 21:14.36 | abrotman | UserReg_CL: does linux support it? |
| 21:14.53 | prolix_ | BenC`: no, no. i want to thank you for the assistance. your reply did answer my question in full. i should've worded the question in a clearer fashion. :) |
| 21:14.54 | wols | UserReg_CL: yes |
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| 21:16.03 | JoeThomas | Hi, I am reinstalling debian etch, and I just wanted to know why it's saying that my primary partition can only be 7.0gb max. |
| 21:16.22 | stew | JoeThomas: what other patitions exist? |
| 21:16.29 | wols | jaggy-: could be a bios issue or not enough free space or whatever |
| 21:16.36 | wols | JoeThomas: ^^ |
| 21:16.54 | JoeThomas | stew: 2 logic, 1 for swap the other for home. I have 46gb free also, I wanted to add the 46gb to / |
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| 21:17.09 | tomytvout | hi all i am tryin to have picture from pc to tv i am readin google but i can not get it to work any help |
| 21:17.22 | UserReg_CL | wols: your use IFB ? |
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| 21:17.36 | wols | UserReg_CL: lartc.org |
| 21:18.33 | stew | JoeThomas: is the 46 gb contigious? how many primary partitions do you have now? where is the free space relative to the current primary partitions? |
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| 21:19.57 | tomytvout | hi all i am tryin to have picture from pc to tv i am readin google but i can not get it to work any help |
| 21:20.00 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> DPL Debate at 20:30 UTC wednesday in #debian-dpl-debate | 4.0r3 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
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| 21:20.12 | stew | damn |
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| 21:20.24 | JoeThomas | stew: #1 Primary - 7gb ext3 /, #5 logical 1.5gb swap swap, #6 logical 60.5gb ext3 /home, 51gb Free |
| 21:20.25 | pleed__ | What specifies which group owns a file which a user creates? |
| 21:20.25 | stew | i'll be in an all day meeting |
| 21:20.29 | wols | dondelelcaro: that debate public? |
| 21:20.34 | dondelelcaro | wols: yes |
| 21:20.38 | xai | What would cause /var/run/xdm.pid to disappear from a running version of xdm? |
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| 21:21.04 | stew | JoeThomas: there must be another primary, since the 2 logical drives must be in a primary partition |
| 21:21.29 | jim | xai: rm? |
| 21:21.32 | private_meta | hmm... how do i find out what charset i'm on right now? |
| 21:21.35 | abrotman | wols: that means even you cat attend! |
| 21:21.42 | abrotman | can |
| 21:21.47 | xai | jim: not by a human. |
| 21:21.57 | abrotman | at least i would have an excuse if the 't' and the 'n' were near each other |
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| 21:22.08 | jim | xai: oh... filesystem damage? |
| 21:22.25 | xai | jim: i dont think so, no other files are being removed. |
| 21:22.32 | stew | pleed__: the effective gid of the process creating the file, unless the parent directory is g+s |
| 21:22.52 | jim | xai: hmm, ya got me... how are you going to find out? |
| 21:23.06 | xai | jim: not sure. I'm out of ideas. |
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| 21:23.25 | jim | do you know when it happens? |
| 21:23.39 | pleed__ | stew: can i set the gid as user? |
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| 21:23.47 | xai | jim: I thought maybe xdm had a bug . Yea, when a client tries to connect, but fails.. are you familari with xdm? |
| 21:23.59 | jim | not at a code level |
| 21:24.09 | jim | I currently use kdm |
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| 21:24.24 | stew | pleed__: which gid? |
| 21:24.31 | lontra | what would be my oo.org2 installation directory? |
| 21:25.12 | pleed__ | stew: of a group i belong to |
| 21:25.19 | stew | pleed__: yes |
| 21:25.22 | stew | pleed__: if you own the file |
| 21:25.41 | stew | pleed__: or are you asking about egid? |
| 21:25.48 | pleed__ | stew: no before having created it. now when i touch a file it owns pleed:pleed |
| 21:25.48 | stew | (which you can also change) |
| 21:26.06 | stew | pleed__: yes, 'newgrp group' will change the gid of your shell |
| 21:26.14 | pleed__ | stew: thanks! |
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| 21:26.22 | ttl- | Hi everyone |
| 21:26.35 | stew | pleed__: actually that isn't true, it doesn't change the group, it creates a subshell |
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| 21:27.33 | minerale | what is the name of the tool that will configure and install .dpkg package based on the source ? |
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| 21:28.10 | pleed__ | stew: well i just need it in a git hook which is managed over ssh. |
| 21:28.37 | ttl- | I'm using etch and i do dist-upgrade almost every day, on 1 machine i'm experiencing a strange problem, genisoimage seems to create bad iso9660 images and windows machines are unable to read them when burned on a CD |
| 21:28.45 | jim | minerale: /msg dpkg ssb for starters... it also depends on what you want to do exactly (like which software and whether there is debian packaging for it) |
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| 21:29.07 | stew | pleed__: why use a git hook instead of g+s ? |
| 21:29.08 | jim | ttl-: why do you upgrade every day? |
| 21:29.24 | ttl- | i tried the same on another machine and it worked from the first time |
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| 21:29.52 | ttl- | jim: i don't but i wanted to make clear everything on the machine is up to date... |
| 21:30.01 | minerale | jim: I have it installed, can't remember what' its called, you run fakeroot <something here> -> it does ./configure and ./make under a fake root and gives you a dpkg |
| 21:30.19 | jim | well you could do: |
| 21:30.22 | stew | minerale: dpkg-buildpackage ? debbuld? |
| 21:30.26 | jim | fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 21:30.30 | jim | fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 21:30.33 | jim | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 21:31.13 | pleed__ | stew: well i have two users A and B and they both shall be able to write each others files. they are in the same group git but i dont want that they create $USER:git files everywhere |
| 21:31.22 | xai | jim: is kdm easy to config for thin clients? |
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| 21:31.43 | stew | pleed__: yes, so why not set g+s on the directory containing the files the need to share? |
| 21:31.57 | pleed__ | stew: g+s? |
| 21:32.05 | ttl- | is there a known issue with genisoimage? |
| 21:32.23 | jim | I don't have thin client machines, never done that... I'm not sure the configuration would be any different depending on client |
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| 21:32.34 | pleed__ | stew: the hook solution is just a work around for my problem because till now everyone said it s impossible |
| 21:32.58 | ttl- | i use 'genisoimage -r -J -o file.iso <dir> |
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| 21:33.11 | stew | pleed__: read the last 3 paragraphs here: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 21:33.17 | pleed__ | stew: thanks |
| 21:33.27 | jim | probably you'd run an x server on the thin client, make sure it fully works (displays, good resolution, mouse moves cursor, keyboard events are seen) |
| 21:34.20 | jim | once you get that working, stop the x server, restart it using -query <hostname> |
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| 21:35.08 | jim | xai: I did let you know I'm not doing anything by /msg |
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| 21:36.08 | jim | oh, ok, well np. |
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| 21:38.32 | jim | xai: (first /msg dpkg pastebin) could you pastebin the exact error message you get. also you have not said anything about what's on the thin client |
| 21:38.38 | macondo | I'd like to install Debian but first I want to know if my Intel PRO/Wireless 4965AGN network card is supported.. is it? |
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| 21:39.51 | jim | macondo: hardware is supported by kernels, specifically drivers that are contained in kernel modules (or are built into the kernel image itself). |
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| 21:40.16 | stew | macondo: not by the installer, becuase it requires firmware which is non-free and therefore not part of debian |
| 21:40.23 | abrotman | !4945 |
| 21:40.25 | abrotman | duh .. |
| 21:40.28 | abrotman | goes home |
| 21:40.37 | jim | so the general question boils down to: will any linux kernel at all support that card? |
| 21:41.01 | RabidWeezle | I need to extract alot of zips with no directory information, just files, I've tried the unzip man page and I donno what to throw at it |
| 21:41.03 | stew | jim: yes the debian linux kernel supports this card, but the debian installer doesn't fully support it |
| 21:41.11 | jim | and then, if the answer is yes, which kernel, using which configuration and what other items need to be installed on your machine |
| 21:41.11 | macondo | jim: I guess it works as I'm using it right now, my question was actually whether it works out-of-the-box |
| 21:41.27 | stew | macondo: it does not, becuase of the missing firmware |
| 21:41.32 | stew | !ipw4965 firmware |
| 21:41.32 | dpkg | well, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree> |
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| 21:41.54 | stew | macondo: and the debian installer doesn't have 2.6.23, it has 2.6.18 |
| 21:42.03 | jim | with what kernel? with what operating system? |
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| 21:42.12 | stew | jim: see what dpkg said above |
| 21:42.21 | Mark17 | what is good loadbalancing software? |
| 21:42.26 | stew | macondo: there are installers with newer kernels, "/msg dpkg kmuto" however, they don't have the firmware |
| 21:42.44 | jim | nono, I'm asking him what he's running now... thanks for the tip, good to know, and I want to know what he has now |
| 21:42.47 | stew | Mark17: lvs. read the docs at ultramonkey.org |
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| 21:43.23 | jim | Mark17: some things we know for sure: it has to be software... |
| 21:43.27 | jim | and it has to be good! |
| 21:43.47 | stew | ? |
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| 21:44.21 | private_meta | small question: If i want to run an application, in this case centerim, under a different charset, would i do that like this: export localeG=en_GB.ISO8859-15 && centerim -a |
| 21:44.51 | embkas | the latest "intel" driver |
| 21:44.51 | embkas | (xserver-xorg-video-intel) |
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| 21:45.18 | macondo | jim: Fedora 8 and kernel 2.6.24 |
| 21:45.39 | jim | ok, that would explain why it works... does it have an initrd? |
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| 21:46.02 | jim | (not the fedora 8 part, that's not relevent) |
| 21:46.07 | stew | nor is initrd |
| 21:46.16 | abrotman | private_meta: probably leave off the export bit |
| 21:46.29 | jim | sure it is, he can use that kernel then build another one if necessary |
| 21:46.33 | stew | if you leave off export, you should leave off && too |
| 21:46.41 | abrotman | oh .. yeah .. i missed that |
| 21:46.50 | macondo | jim: I don't know |
| 21:47.01 | jim | do you use grub? |
| 21:47.05 | macondo | yes |
| 21:47.06 | stew | jim: the problem isnt' the kernel, we can give him debian kernels that support his card |
| 21:47.32 | jim | ok, where is your grub config (sometimes called menu.lst)? |
| 21:47.43 | jim | oh we can? |
| 21:47.43 | private_meta | stew: so should this work? |
| 21:47.48 | macondo | jim: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:47.56 | jim | can we build an installer? |
| 21:47.58 | beardy | RabidWeezle: Good question. Did you notice that it's only under *nix directories can be recreated? |
| 21:48.19 | RabidWeezle | beardy, looks like it works with : for f in *.zip; do unzip "$f"; done |
| 21:48.21 | embkas | I am told that I need the latest "intel" driver (xserver-xorg-video-intel) from lenny or backports, can anyone tell how I do that? |
| 21:48.24 | jim | what would be cool is a web service that builds custom installers |
| 21:48.32 | stew | private_meta: yes, but i'd expect you to be setting LANG not localeG |
| 21:48.39 | private_meta | hmm |
| 21:49.08 | private_meta | stew: hmm... tried that too, didn't show the desired results |
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| 21:49.15 | jim | which should be possible because debian automates builds all the time |
| 21:49.19 | beardy | RabidWeezle: That's good, but it shouldn't? |
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| 21:50.11 | jim | hand it a kernel source and a config file and say go... email me when youre done |
| 21:50.15 | stew | private_meta: has that locale been generated? (you may need to 'dpkg-reconfigure locales') |
| 21:50.30 | jim | and it builds a netinst |
| 21:50.47 | beardy | RabidWeezle: Or oh.. I thought you meant you wanted to extract all your archives, which contains directories, without directories, but you didn't mean that, right? |
| 21:51.07 | beardy | Because that seems hard, to NOT extract direcotires. |
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| 21:51.19 | jim | if he does mean that, then extract and then flatten. |
| 21:51.21 | hellues | i have a problem |
| 21:51.27 | jim | where??!!\ |
| 21:51.31 | hellues | localhost/phpbb2 doesnt work |
| 21:51.36 | macondo | jim: can't I install debian, update the kernel and then my card will be supported? |
| 21:51.38 | RabidWeezle | righto beardy |
| 21:51.42 | RabidWeezle | ^_^ |
| 21:51.44 | hellues | readme.Debian say go to youserver/phpbb2 |
| 21:51.50 | beardy | jim: Tell us about this flatten? |
| 21:51.51 | hellues | but phpbb2 doesnt work |
| 21:51.54 | hellues | what can i do |
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| 21:52.24 | private_meta | stew: yes, the locale has been generated, according to dpkg-reconfigure, it was there before |
| 21:52.25 | jim | beardy: write a script that moves anything in a subdir to the dir, then removes the subdir (apply recursively) |
| 21:52.49 | jim | what you've never heard of "writing"? :) |
| 21:53.00 | pgpkeys | what be writing? |
| 21:53.06 | beardy | jim: Well.. that isn't really anything else than what I would have said too, I thought you had something nice there. |
| 21:53.30 | jim | it ought to be a 1-3 line script |
| 21:53.37 | beardy | jim: Like, 'flatten thatdir/' |
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| 21:53.50 | jim | and everything ends up in thatdir/HERE |
| 21:54.13 | stew | macondo: "/msg dpkg kmuto" has an installer that would install with a kernel that supports your card. the problem is that your card won't function without the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package which is in the non-free repositories, /msg dpkg non-free |
| 21:54.34 | beardy | Yes. But interesting why no such option exists in unzip, as it does, the opposite, in most DOS unarchivers of varois formats, supporting directories. |
| 21:54.35 | jim | I guess you could do it with find as well |
| 21:54.35 | xai | jim: thanks, misunderstood. |
| 21:54.39 | stew | RabidWeezle: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:54.49 | jim | xai: what part? |
| 21:55.04 | stew | RabidWeezle: if you are just trying to unzip a bunch of zip files and ignore the directories, just "unzip -j \*zip" |
| 21:55.14 | stew | RabidWeezle: you don't need any scripts or for loops or anything |
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| 21:55.28 | xai | jim: most of em.. |
| 21:55.28 | RabidWeezle | thanks, all set |
| 21:55.36 | RabidWeezle | been for a while |
| 21:55.40 | beardy | There we are. Look harder, both of us. |
| 21:55.41 | macondo | stew: my ideology allows me to use at least that non-free package, is there anything else I should do? |
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| 21:56.00 | beardy | (or only me, as you didn't want it). |
| 21:56.05 | jim | xai: well how can we communicate at all, when you don't say what part you're getting and what part you're not? |
| 21:56.05 | pleed__ | stew: thanks the g+s helped me, but i still have to set the right umask(002) in the hook right? |
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| 21:56.44 | stew | macondo: when the installer asks, you can install the "laptop packages", or separately install 'wireless-tools'. "man wireless" and "man interfaces" then will give you more information about getting wireless setup |
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| 21:57.03 | beardy | wanders off, ashamed. |
| 21:57.22 | private_meta | stew: any more ideas? |
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| 21:57.48 | stew | pleed__: the umask needs to be 002 or 007 or so, i don't know about the hooks, you could set it in the users .profile / .bash_profile, or globally in /etc/profile |
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| 21:58.07 | cafuego | jim: find . -mindepth 2 -type f -exec mv {} . \; && find . -mindepth 1 -type d -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 21:58.14 | cafuego | jim: That flattens . |
| 21:58.31 | macondo | stew: I think I'll wait for the next debian release |
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| 21:58.58 | ttl- | isoinfo -f -R -J -i file.iso does not give any files but says **BAD RRVERSION (0) **BAD RRVERSION (0) |
| 21:59.05 | ttl- | ? |
| 21:59.08 | stew | macondo: the next debian release will be the same. debian is not likely to start including such non-free firmwares |
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| 21:59.22 | stew | private_meta: are you sure whatever application this is has support for multiple locales? |
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| 21:59.40 | pleed__ | stew: yes but then i have it global, thought there also would be a better solution but using the hooks is okay i think. thanks |
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| 22:00.08 | macondo | stew: I mean for the kernel version |
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| 22:01.07 | lunaphyte | i've installed package linux-source-2.6.22. is there an "appropriate" place to untar it to? |
| 22:01.12 | private_meta | stew: centerim should support it |
| 22:01.29 | cafuego | lunaphyte: /usr/src |
| 22:01.36 | jim | xai: first, about the thin clients, what exactly do you have, do they boot, if so, what do they boot? |
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| 22:01.39 | stew | macondo: there is already an unofficial installer with the kernel you need for this release, and an interim version of this release will officialy support it soonish (or so they say) |
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| 22:02.01 | lunaphyte | cafuego: thanks. |
| 22:02.08 | jim | cafuego: I stand corrected... one line. |
| 22:02.27 | cafuego | jim: it doesn't prettily iterate though :-) |
| 22:02.51 | jim | because it alters what it finds? |
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| 22:03.10 | cafuego | well, it has to do that anyway |
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| 22:03.34 | jim | xai, still there? |
| 22:04.28 | kr0vv | anyone know what the proggy is or a link to a resource that'll enable dedication of CPU's to specific tasks at will? |
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| 22:04.58 | evilgnome | hello all. can anyone tell me where to go for some aptitude questions? |
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| 22:05.26 | jim | why not pastebin your questions, since you're putting it that way? :) |
| 22:05.32 | stew | find should really have a -fexec {} + and -dexec {} + forms so that one doesn't have to always do a separate find for each |
| 22:05.47 | stew | evilgnome: if you are running aptitude under debian, here is a good place |
| 22:06.13 | jim | you can have -type d (something) -o -type f (something) |
| 22:06.28 | jim | that has the same effect as what you're asking |
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| 22:06.53 | jim | what would be nice is if find could do tail recursion |
| 22:07.23 | jim | or you find all the dirs, put those in a file and iterate over them |
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| 22:07.53 | evilgnome | alright, well I'm actually virtualizing ubuntu under gentoo (planning to switch), but I was afraid nobody in the ubuntu room(s) would be able to help. Can I still get help here, or is that breaking the rules? |
| 22:08.28 | jim | have you given them a chance to help? |
| 22:08.42 | jim | tellyawhat... |
| 22:09.13 | stew | hmm |
| 22:09.21 | jim | if you were to want to go thru the process of virtualizing a debian etch, you'd have info you could use to do others |
| 22:09.39 | ttl- | isoinfo -f -J -i file.iso does print an empty DIR for the Joliet extensions |
| 22:09.59 | reto_ | OT question, how would you call a company whcih supports you in a bachelor thesis? |
| 22:10.00 | stew | "find -mindepth 1 -depth -type f -exec mv -t . {} + -o -type d -exec rmdir {} +" |
| 22:10.14 | reto_ | 'Partner company' sounds wrong... |
| 22:10.19 | ttl- | isoinfo -f -R -i file.iso print the correct content |
| 22:10.20 | jim | a thesis-supporting bachelor company? |
| 22:10.21 | stew | reto_: sponsor |
| 22:10.34 | reto_ | they aren't really sponsoring money |
| 22:10.37 | cafuego | stew: the rmdir won't work, as it lists subdirs AFTER their parent |
| 22:10.43 | ttl- | so it's logic that linux reads the disc as the Rockridge extensions are good |
| 22:10.54 | reto_ | we are doing a research for them |
| 22:11.04 | ttl- | and windows does not because bad Joliet |
| 22:11.19 | HSorgYves | is there a way to sort the output of find? |
| 22:11.29 | rahul | HSorgYves: | sort |
| 22:11.30 | jim | find ... | sort? |
| 22:11.36 | stew | cafuego: it seems to work |
| 22:11.42 | evilgnome | 1 of 2) is command-line use of aptitude supposed to support colored output? |
| 22:11.43 | HSorgYves | ok, i can pipe multiple times? |
| 22:11.45 | ttl- | strange thing is that isoinfo with both -R and -J says bad RR version |
| 22:11.48 | jim | HSorgYves: direct answer: yes. |
| 22:11.49 | rahul | HSorgYves: of course |
| 22:11.59 | HSorgYves | great ty all |
| 22:11.59 | rahul | HSorgYves: that's what the concept of "pipeline" is all about |
| 22:12.03 | cafuego | stew: for dir in $(find -mindepth 1 -depth -type f -exec mv -t . {} + -o -type d -print | sort -r); do rmdir "${dir}"; done |
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| 22:12.31 | xai | jim: we use thinstation clients that are hard-coded to connect to a server for xdm and xfs. Most of them work ok. |
| 22:12.34 | jim | HSorgYves: info bash (with the bash info files) for all the neat stuff bash can do, in digestable chunks |
| 22:12.50 | hellues | my phpbb2 doesnt work |
| 22:12.57 | hellues | off off |
| 22:13.01 | xai | jim: its confusing since we tried to make all the thin clients (via board with compact flash) identical. |
| 22:13.31 | stew | cafuego: mkdir /tmp/foo ; cd /tmp/foo ; mkdir a b c a/aq ; touch a/aa a/ab b/bb a/aq/d ; find -mindepth 1 -depth -type f -exec mv -t . {} + -o -type d -exec rmdir {} + ; ls |
| 22:13.32 | jim | the ones that don't connect, do you know their exact problem? |
| 22:13.38 | stew | cafuego: is fewer forks |
| 22:14.06 | xai | jim: it all worked with sarge.. when we upgrade to etch, some of the clients failed to get xdm.. The ones that don't connect, I can't find anthing wrong with them. |
| 22:14.18 | cafuego | mkdir: cannot create directory `/tmp/foo': File exists |
| 22:14.29 | jim | what's in common with the ones that don't work? |
| 22:14.35 | stew | cafuego: ur sistem broked |
| 22:14.54 | stew | (i had to remove mine first :) ) |
| 22:14.54 | cafuego | no, i already have lots of script test dirs in /tmp :-) |
| 22:15.01 | jim | leet katz iz in ur system borkeding ur dirz! |
| 22:15.05 | xai | jim: good questions: we;ve tried to find out that. The ones that work are usually closer to the server. I suspected that it is a network problem. |
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| 22:15.20 | jim | define "closer" |
| 22:15.22 | gui_ | hi |
| 22:15.32 | martianixor | hi all, would a USB2IrDA port work as a transceiver? those of you who tried lirc |
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| 22:15.33 | xai | jim: closer physically, but not with any switch or hub in the way. |
| 22:15.35 | gui_ | do I need to use a compiled kernel in order to install qos ? |
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| 22:15.41 | jim | or: move a thin client and test |
| 22:15.52 | xai | We are trying that tommorrow. |
| 22:15.54 | jim | so, longer cable? |
| 22:16.06 | xai | yea. |
| 22:16.11 | martianixor | I'm trying to make a good use of that little port on the shelf |
| 22:16.31 | xai | jim: is it normal for an application run on a thin client to be using 6002tcp? |
| 22:16.41 | martianixor | trying to use a Toshiba CT-9858 Remote Control |
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| 22:16.46 | jim | ue ar the nixor naemd martia? |
| 22:16.49 | stew | gui_: any current deiban kernel would support qos |
| 22:17.17 | gui_ | ok stew |
| 22:17.18 | xai | jim: i was wondering if I'm running out of tcp resources.. all the applications like xterm run over 6002 tcp. |
| 22:17.19 | martianixor | jim: no the name is a hack it self remember? |
| 22:17.29 | martianixor | jim: the nixor came from Mars |
| 22:17.45 | jim | oh :) so you're usng one n twice :) |
| 22:17.57 | martianixor | jim: like GNU |
| 22:18.02 | martianixor | jim: :-) |
| 22:18.03 | sebas891 | hey folks, anyone familiar with network booting and tftpd... a thin client is give me tftp "open time out" ... |
| 22:18.12 | lunaphyte | i've been experimenting a bit with ethernet bonding - i have 4 interfaces and would like to bond them together in pairs of 2, to create 2 bonded interfaces. the documentation i've been reading so far though has left me a little unclear on whether or not i need to do this only in /etc/network/interfaces, or if something more is needed when the bonding module is loaded. |
| 22:18.45 | jim | so you want to have a "thicker" connection? |
| 22:18.48 | private_meta | meh |
| 22:19.10 | jim | you need to bond on both sides, I would imagine |
| 22:19.53 | lunaphyte | well, yeah, i plan on using bond_mode balance-alb. |
| 22:20.31 | lunaphyte | that indicates there's not any special support required of the device on the other end of the connection. |
| 22:20.53 | stew | lunaphyte: there is nothing special needed on the other end |
| 22:21.09 | lunaphyte | yeah, that part i understand. |
| 22:21.11 | jim | xai: in any case... good luck; by trying to find anything in common among the working, and another set of commons among the not-working, you might find the problem... I don't believe it's network related if you're not using over-long eth cables |
| 22:21.11 | edistar | lunaphyte: iirc the switch needs to support it |
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| 22:21.38 | martianixor | jim: tried that Remote Control thing before? |
| 22:21.44 | lunaphyte | anyway, i'm looking for clarification on what's required on the debian side. |
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| 22:23.04 | xai | jim: thanks.. |
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| 22:24.39 | cheekee | on upgrading from etch to lenny, I am a bit concerned that lenny is replacing almost all files + the kernel and GRUB. Is there anything I need to know b4 rebooting |
| 22:24.44 | cheekee | ? |
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| 22:25.09 | jim | xai: one thing more... I invite you to notice how I was finally able to say -something- about your situation once I knew a little more about it |
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| 22:25.27 | j85wilson | Can I use dpkg to upgrade dpkg? |
| 22:25.44 | jim | xai: things like exact texts of error messages are always helpful |
| 22:26.38 | jim | j85wilson: dpkg is able to upgrade itself, yes... but caution here: you can potentially break your system by doing so at the wrong time |
| 22:26.52 | j85wilson | ok, can dpkg downgrade itself? |
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| 22:28.17 | jim | yes, it can... but: the thing to understand, is will the databases maintained by dpkg be accessable after these changes? downgrading is possible (at least) in cases where there is not a database to also downconvert. |
| 22:28.31 | j85wilson | ah |
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| 22:28.44 | j85wilson | thanks, jim. |
| 22:28.54 | jim | full backups of your system are indicated here... back up EVERYTHING before playing in this sandbox. |
| 22:29.02 | aardvarq | How can I tell if a 32-bit kernel has compiled-in 64-bit support? |
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| 22:29.08 | aardvarq | Or am I thinking backwards? |
| 22:29.24 | jim | sdrawkcab?! |
| 22:29.57 | j85wilson | jimL it is a very minor downgrade: 1.14.16.6 back to 1.14.5 |
| 22:30.03 | \amethyst | aardvarq: what do you mean by 64-bit support? |
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| 22:30.09 | \amethyst | aardvarq: and by 32-bit kernel |
| 22:30.14 | j85wilson | jim: does that make it more feasible? |
| 22:30.25 | j85wilson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:30.40 | jim | j85wilson: well then be aware of what data structure changes are between those versions, and back up if there exist any differences. |
| 22:31.05 | aardvarq | I'm rescuing an AMD64 system. The CPU's are opterons. The userspace and normal kernels are all 64-bit. The rescue kernel, however, is i686. |
| 22:31.22 | aardvarq | Can I safely pivot over to the 64-bit system with that kernel? |
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| 22:31.26 | j85wilson | thanks, jim! |
| 22:31.31 | j85wilson | I'll look for the changelog. |
| 22:31.37 | jim | oh, so you need a amd64 rescue kernel? |
| 22:32.11 | aardvarq | Do I? |
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| 22:32.27 | jim | seems that's easier to accomplish |
| 22:32.59 | aardvarq | Well, that doesn't answer the question though. Will this kernel be okay running 64-bit binaries? |
| 22:33.12 | jim | I have no idea |
| 22:33.24 | jim | one way to find out is to read its .config |
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| 22:33.45 | aardvarq | Is that in /proc somehwere? |
| 22:33.59 | jim | maybe, if support for that is builtin |
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| 22:35.30 | jim | I'm not really familiar with this myself... best you take a two-pronged approach, one prong being continuing to discover for yourself, the other being to use info gathered from the first prong to communicate to more clued folks |
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| 22:35.48 | Supaplex | if bug 443482 was open on etch, and now archived, should it be a fixed bug? I updated etch, and I still get the same symptoms while building unionfs modules for my stock etch kernel. |
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| 22:36.21 | jim | stock etch rhymes with something... hmm... |
| 22:36.22 | aardvarq | -bash: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file |
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| 22:36.30 | aardvarq | looks like no |
| 22:36.31 | orudie | hey all, how can i compile libgd2 into php ? |
| 22:37.00 | jim | #php mght know |
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| 22:37.54 | garotosopa | Is it a bad idea to not install any mail transfer agent on a desktop? |
| 22:38.26 | lunaphyte | i'd say it's a good idea. |
| 22:38.42 | j85wilson | Is there a way to cat together changelogs from a series of uploads of a package? |
| 22:39.06 | lunaphyte | install a smaller program like esmtp that submits messages to a real mailserver for delivery. |
| 22:39.17 | j85wilson | nevermind on that last. |
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| 22:39.42 | jim | umm |
| 22:39.44 | garotosopa | lunaphyte, I don't even need that. should I consider anything else than my own use? |
| 22:39.45 | jim | cat? |
| 22:39.48 | jim | :) |
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| 22:40.23 | j85wilson | concatenate, like the cat program |
| 22:40.33 | jim | the interesting thing is you seem to be thinking in terms of the basic unix toolkit |
| 22:40.38 | j85wilson | heh |
| 22:40.50 | j85wilson | not even a decade and look what it's done to me |
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| 22:41.34 | lunaphyte | garotosopa: just make sure you're able to retrieve the various messages generated by the system. |
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| 22:42.16 | garotosopa | lunaphyte, I have never read any of them for years. Should I really care? |
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| 22:42.50 | lunaphyte | i guess that's up to you. |
| 22:42.58 | garotosopa | that's good then :) |
| 22:43.02 | jim | garotosopa: are you needing help which those messages are capable of providing? |
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| 22:44.17 | garotosopa | jim, that would be a nice thing to know. but atm I just thought if there are any implications on having no MTA installed |
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| 22:44.59 | jim | garotosopa: then your system would not be capable of sending you mail |
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| 22:45.25 | jim | additionally, your debian packaging database would be broken |
| 22:45.28 | dondelelcaro | garotosopa: you should always have an mta of some sort installed. If you're not receiving mail, then you should have nullmailer or similar installed. |
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| 22:46.42 | garotosopa | jim, hmm I uninstalled exim with no problems - although I had to uninstall "at" too |
| 22:47.24 | garotosopa | I'm installing nullmailer now. lets see |
| 22:47.53 | j85wilson | jim, my dpkg downgrade seems to have worked just fine. Thanks for the info! |
| 22:48.05 | j85wilson | garotosopa: uninstalled at!? |
| 22:48.08 | j85wilson | that might be a bad idea. |
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| 22:48.30 | garotosopa | j85wilson, I had no complaint on aptitude about that. anyway I installed nullmailer and got "at" installed again |
| 22:48.38 | j85wilson | aight |
| 22:48.52 | j85wilson | well, best of luck to you |
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| 22:49.03 | garotosopa | heheh |
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| 22:51.13 | gui_ | where I can find a good doc on tc or tcng because qos commands are very obscure |
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| 22:53.22 | j85wilson | can apt automatically remove config files from packages that were removed but never purged? |
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| 22:54.49 | garotosopa | j85wilson, I usually do dpkg -l | grep ^rc | cut -d " " -f 3 | xargs aptitude -y purge |
| 22:55.04 | j85wilson | grep ^rc ? |
| 22:55.06 | j85wilson | why that. |
| 22:55.11 | garotosopa | residual config |
| 22:55.14 | j85wilson | ahhh |
| 22:55.16 | garotosopa | it's the status of such packages |
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| 22:55.24 | garotosopa | (or something like that) |
| 22:55.29 | j85wilson | being able to filter out these packages would serve just as well. thanks :) |
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| 22:55.32 | JoeThomas | Hi, What would the reason behind not being able to do tab complete for apt-get install ... |
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| 22:55.56 | JoeThomas | Before I could do apt-get install (xterm-[TAB]) and it would return a list of matches. Now I can't |
| 22:56.17 | j85wilson | did you do something to your shell? |
| 22:56.36 | garotosopa | are you still using bash? (donno if others have this feature) |
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| 22:58.32 | j85wilson | everything that has status rc is something that has been removed, yes? |
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| 23:00.18 | schizophrenie | guys |
| 23:00.29 | j85wilson | and dolls |
| 23:00.33 | schizophrenie | can i ask a question to ask a question to ask a question to ask a question... |
| 23:00.41 | schizophrenie | i am really new into debian |
| 23:00.49 | schizophrenie | i've installed it and than installed bitchx |
| 23:00.58 | schizophrenie | an irc client |
| 23:01.11 | schizophrenie | is it true, that it is running only under the command-line? |
| 23:01.38 | kr0vv | anyone know what the proggy is or a link to a resource that'll enable dedication of CPU's to specific tasks at will? |
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| 23:02.04 | kunsi | hello, can someone explain me the log output of ntpd? |
| 23:02.19 | j85wilson | schizophrenie: www.bitchx.com says " It is written in C and is a console application." |
| 23:02.28 | schizophrenie | hmmm |
| 23:02.33 | schizophrenie | do you know any other client for debian? |
| 23:02.39 | j85wilson | I'm using pidgin |
| 23:02.45 | j85wilson | also there is xchat |
| 23:02.49 | j85wilson | and many others, I am sure |
| 23:02.49 | kunsi | irssi |
| 23:02.50 | schizophrenie | ohh thats nice |
| 23:02.53 | schizophrenie | irssi hmm |
| 23:03.00 | schizophrenie | is there a commandline command to install it? |
| 23:03.03 | schizophrenie | apt get ? |
| 23:03.04 | apt | from memory, get is search http://www.apt-get.org |
| 23:03.09 | j85wilson | sudo apt-get install pidgin |
| 23:03.23 | schizophrenie | ohhh thank you |
| 23:03.28 | j85wilson | np |
| 23:03.31 | j85wilson | best of luck! |
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| 23:03.35 | schizophrenie | :D |
| 23:03.43 | schizophrenie | i will leave know, wish you a good night guys |
| 23:03.48 | starscalling | ok |
| 23:04.02 | starscalling | so in debian 32bit the kernel that can handle 8GB of ram is wat |
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| 23:04.09 | starscalling | i thought it was bigiron but isnt that the ubuntu one? |
| 23:04.14 | kunsi | logfile of ntpd is "54550 82970.036 82.165.43.21 9414 -0.046522733 0.007006089 0.002923475 0.010754053", 3rd seems to be time server, 5-8 seems to be time adjust, but what is 1st, 2nd and 4th? |
| 23:04.37 | lunaphyte | regarding adding a line like this "alias bond0 bonding" to the kernel module config - is /etc/modprobe.d/arch/i386 the right place to do that? |
| 23:05.01 | lunaphyte | so it's there across reboots? |
| 23:09.50 | lunaphyte | how do i know which driver my ethernet card is using? |
| 23:11.41 | javier | lunaphyte: maybe dmesg | grep eth |
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| 23:12.58 | lunaphyte | javier: ah - duh, thanks :) |
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| 23:23.32 | kestir__ | ok so where can a lowly IT guy get some free linux schwag for his office? posters, stickers and stuff? |
| 23:24.01 | abrotman | kestir__: go to the next linux world in boston ? |
| 23:25.06 | abrotman | do they still have them in boston ? |
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| 23:25.21 | starscalling | so in debian 32bit the kernel that can handle 8GB of ram is wat // i thought it was bigiron but isnt that the ubuntu one? |
| 23:25.31 | starscalling | ah |
| 23:25.34 | kestir__ | abrotman: I don't believe they do |
| 23:25.35 | starscalling | bigmem ? |
| 23:25.50 | abrotman | -bigmem |
| 23:25.53 | starscalling | ya |
| 23:25.55 | cheekee | I have just upgraded to lenny and my /usr/bin/dpkg is now a complete mess.... http://pastebin.ca/957414 . What do I do to restore it? |
| 23:25.56 | starscalling | hmm |
| 23:26.02 | starscalling | ok wierd one - opinion plz? |
| 23:26.03 | abrotman | kestir__: i'm sure there are some in your area |
| 23:26.14 | starscalling | trying to install 32 bit into this machine that happens to have the 64bit already |
| 23:26.30 | abrotman | cheekee: that's a binary .. it's not supposed to be readable |
| 23:26.30 | starscalling | the driver its using for the 3ware card on the 64bit install is 3w_9xxx |
| 23:26.41 | cheekee | ok |
| 23:26.41 | Absolute0 | Why does my login say lenny/sid? |
| 23:26.49 | Absolute0 | I only switched to lenny |
| 23:26.51 | starscalling | but during the install with 32bit and deb 4 / stable it wont see the card. |
| 23:27.00 | starscalling | is this something that happens with some cards? |
| 23:27.04 | starscalling | let me get the exact model |
| 23:27.15 | Absolute0 | Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid debian tty2 |
| 23:27.37 | starscalling | arg dont see it..... |
| 23:27.57 | cheekee | abrotman: but I get the error msg "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" ?? |
| 23:28.06 | abrotman | so? |
| 23:28.15 | abrotman | cheekee: that doesn't mean anything .. paste the whole thing somewhere |
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| 23:28.30 | xai | jim: i think i found problem with thinclients: dns had bogus entries. |
| 23:28.37 | starscalling | i think the 9690sa-414e |
| 23:28.37 | abrotman | Absolute0: it always says that except right before release |
| 23:28.47 | Absolute0 | abrotman: oh well nevermind then |
| 23:28.52 | starscalling | so do some of these cards not work with 32bit drivers or something? |
| 23:29.05 | Absolute0 | I thought I did something wrong during the update. :) |
| 23:29.12 | Absolute0 | lenny rocks by the way. |
| 23:29.39 | cheekee | How do I fix that + my locale file is still causing error msgs like "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" |
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| 23:31.13 | abrotman | cheekee: paset the whole error .. |
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| 23:32.58 | cheekee | http://pastebin.ca/957420 is the dpkg binary file.... |
| 23:33.06 | Agiofws | hey guys |
| 23:33.11 | Agiofws | what do i need |
| 23:33.13 | Agiofws | agiofws@lapi:~/extracted/linux2$ ./blender |
| 23:33.13 | Agiofws | ./blender: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./blender) |
| 23:33.33 | EtherNet- | Agiofws, ldd /extracted/linux/blender |
| 23:34.05 | Agiofws | hmm ok |
| 23:34.24 | EtherNet- | that will help you. |
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| 23:35.22 | cheekee | http://pastebin.ca/957422 is the locale error |
| 23:35.39 | Agiofws | EtherNet-, |
| 23:35.40 | Agiofws | lapi:/home/agiofws/extracted/linux2# ldd blender |
| 23:35.41 | Agiofws | ./blender: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./blender) |
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| 23:35.53 | Agiofws | same thing |
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| 23:36.22 | starscalling | ok |
| 23:36.24 | starscalling | how about this |
| 23:36.30 | EtherNet- | cheekee, apt-get install locales-all |
| 23:36.30 | starscalling | is there an alternate install cd or something? |
| 23:36.35 | starscalling | something that has more drivers or something |
| 23:37.24 | abrotman | cheekee: that's a warning .. not an error |
| 23:37.31 | starscalling | even though the 3w_9xxx and the 3w_xxxx drivers are in the 32bit install [and i verified in the 64bit finished install with lsmod that its actually using the driver 3w_9xxx though it wont use that same driver with the 32 bit install] |
| 23:37.48 | starscalling | meaning i cant actually get it to see the hdd's on the 3ware 9690 card |
| 23:38.21 | Agiofws | hey guys any ideas ? |
| 23:38.22 | cheekee | error msg new: Depends: linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 but it is not going to be installed after trying to install locales-all |
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| 23:38.58 | cheekee | unmet dependencies |
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| 23:39.20 | abrotman | cheekee: use aptitude .. not apt-get |
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| 23:39.30 | abrotman | unless you know better, don't use apt-get |
| 23:39.39 | starscalling | abrotman: any thoughts on my 3ware heavenly stuffs? |
| 23:39.49 | Agiofws | lapi:/home/agiofws/extracted/linux2# ./blender |
| 23:39.49 | abrotman | starscalling: need more details |
| 23:39.50 | Agiofws | ./blender: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./blender) |
| 23:39.50 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:40.03 | abrotman | Agiofws: compile it ? |
| 23:40.16 | Agiofws | compile what ? |
| 23:40.18 | starscalling | hm |
| 23:40.22 | abrotman | Agiofws: you used a binary version that expects libc 2.4 .. you have 2.3.x |
| 23:40.32 | cheekee | abrotman: ok |
| 23:40.33 | starscalling | abrotman: put down everything i can think of so will redo what i put |
| 23:40.41 | Agiofws | ok can i apt-get libc 2.4 ? |
| 23:40.46 | abrotman | starscalling: huh ? |
| 23:40.53 | abrotman | Agiofws: you're on etch .. no |
| 23:40.54 | tweek | so how do you "restart the network services after making the chnage" (ie changing a netmask on eth1:1 |
| 23:40.57 | abrotman | Agiofws: etch has blender in it |
| 23:41.03 | abrotman | tweek: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:41.11 | starscalling | ok |
| 23:41.13 | Agiofws | no i need a special edition of blender |
| 23:41.20 | starscalling | got a system with a 3ware 9690 card in it. |
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| 23:41.31 | starscalling | it has currently debian stable 64bit [as it has 8gigs ram] |
| 23:41.35 | Agiofws | can i install libc 2.4 ? |
| 23:41.39 | starscalling | but apparently they want 352bit to be on the machine. |
| 23:42.11 | starscalling | when i try to install 32 bit from the latest disk, it does have the 3w_9xxx and the 3w_xxxx drivers on there, the first of which is the correct one for the card |
| 23:42.22 | tweek | abrotman: cant you just use ifconfig and change that directly ? |
| 23:42.24 | starscalling | which is verified to be in use via lsmod on the 64bit installation |
| 23:42.36 | abrotman | tweek: if you want .. that's up to you |
| 23:42.50 | starscalling | but during the 32 bit installation it refuses to actually use that 3w_9xxx OR the 3w_xxxx driver for the install |
| 23:42.53 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 23:42.53 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:42.54 | starscalling | thus i cant get it to go neh? |
| 23:43.15 | tweek | abrotman: i just wanted to make sure that changing it with ifconfig eth1:1 netmask .... would have the same effect because a tech support at my hosting service is wondering |
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| 23:44.24 | abrotman | tweek: i've never tried it that way |
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| 23:44.40 | Draggin | Good evening! Hope there's someone awake in here :) |
| 23:44.46 | cheekee | abrotman: aptitude asks to downgrade the kernel, and then removes about 50 files too. whimper.... |
| 23:45.00 | Agiofws | abrotman, can i download the libc 2.4 package ? |
| 23:45.00 | abrotman | cheekee: do a dist-upgrade .. |
| 23:45.04 | abrotman | Agiofws: no |
| 23:45.12 | Agiofws | why not ? |
| 23:45.17 | abrotman | Agiofws: blender is already in etch .. use that |
| 23:45.18 | cheekee | thats what I am doing |
| 23:45.23 | abrotman | cheekee: paste it somewhere |
| 23:45.36 | Agiofws | abrotman, i need a special edition of blender |
| 23:45.44 | Agiofws | a svn version |
| 23:45.58 | Agiofws | the same one on my blender farm i guess |
| 23:46.13 | starscalling | abrotman: see all that? |
| 23:46.18 | Draggin | I need quite a lot of information - I don't mind reading it myself, but I don't know where to look. I don't seem to be able to find it online... Maybe I'm just using the wrong search terms. I want as much as possible information (starting from basics) about setting up repositories etc. to fully enable apt-get and/or aptitude etc. to work in Debian... |
| 23:46.19 | abrotman | starscalling: see what i said? |
| 23:46.25 | starscalling | looks closer |
| 23:46.33 | abrotman | !tell Draggin about repository |
| 23:46.50 | abrotman | Agiofws: etch has libc6 2.3.6 .. your version wants 2.4 |
| 23:47.02 | Agiofws | so i need the package |
| 23:47.08 | Draggin | Thanks, abrotman. I'll go have a look at that and come back when I have more questions :) |
| 23:47.18 | starscalling | looking here i dont see what i should probably be seeing |
| 23:47.21 | abrotman | Agiofws: and there's a newer version in etch-backports |
| 23:47.25 | starscalling | mind repeating yourself? im sorry abrotman |
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| 23:47.36 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 23:47.36 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:47.39 | Agiofws | newer libc ? |
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| 23:47.49 | abrotman | starscalling: or use the expert installer and do it manually |
| 23:47.51 | Agiofws | !backports |
| 23:47.52 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 23:47.54 | abrotman | Agiofws: of blender |
| 23:48.07 | starscalling | oh |
| 23:48.15 | Agiofws | this is not in the repo abrotman |
| 23:48.20 | Agiofws | its an svn version |
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| 23:48.35 | Florent- | Hello, Where can I find kernel-headers-2.6.11 ? |
| 23:48.38 | abrotman | Agiofws: did you try compiling blender yourself ? |
| 23:48.44 | abrotman | Florent-: you can't, your kernel is out of date |
| 23:48.56 | Florent- | i need it |
| 23:49.00 | Florent- | :( |
| 23:49.01 | Agiofws | no |
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| 23:50.29 | lobak | how may i know that the package that i installed is not being use by me or the system?since my space is getting small, i need to remove some packages |
| 23:50.57 | beardy | lobak: popcon perhaps |
| 23:51.01 | cheekee | abrotman:aptItude seems to be working were apt-get failed.....it seems to have fixed the locale file...but it it is re-installing everything else too |
| 23:51.22 | cheekee | where |
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| 23:51.25 | abrotman | cheekee: worse things have happenend |
| 23:51.34 | abrotman | Florent-: snapshot.debian.net ... good luck |
| 23:52.25 | lobak | beardy: popcorn? |
| 23:52.26 | hikenboot | greetings can anyone point me to apt sources.list for debian testing |
| 23:52.33 | Florent- | thanks |
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| 23:53.33 | Draggin | Oh - one more question before I get too deep into the inner workings of how repositories work etc. - is there anywhere I can find a list of available repositories that I could add? Where do I find the standard Debian stable repositories (preferrably a local mirror)? |
| 23:53.35 | lobak | beardy: i didnt see it in synaptic search |
| 23:54.01 | Agiofws | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y |
| 23:54.02 | Agiofws | Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org etch/main libc6-dev 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 [2717kB] |
| 23:54.02 | Agiofws | Get:2 http://ftp.debian.org etch/main libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 [4703kB] |
| 23:54.04 | Agiofws | :( |
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| 23:54.15 | Agiofws | srry guys |
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| 23:55.10 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 23:55.10 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 23:55.14 | dondelelcaro | Draggin: see above. |
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| 23:55.59 | Draggin | Great stuff! Thanks dondelelcaro! |
| 23:56.14 | abrotman | !tell hikenboot about etch->lenny |
| 23:56.17 | abrotman | !tell hikenboot about sources.list |
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| 23:57.02 | lobak | !tell lovak about etch_.lenny |
| 23:57.18 | lobak | !tell lobak about etch->lenny |
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| 23:57.28 | abrotman | !tell lobak about deborphan |
| 23:58.35 | n0mad | mm hi, em i have no clue -so help apisieted; am i wana make run comandline that starts program as same user but on other tty(i mean those ttys ctrl+alt+f1..2..3) :} ? |
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| 23:58.58 | lobak | !tell lobak about sid |
| 23:59.04 | lobak | !tell lobak about lenny |
| 23:59.12 | HSorgYves | is there a way to limit a programm like bzip2 to something like 50% of CPU usage? |
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| 23:59.46 | n0mad | renice it ? |
