| 00:00.04 | abrotman | !tell lobak about selftell |
| 00:00.23 | n0mad | and it will use as much power as u wish |
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| 00:00.31 | wfq | could anyone tell me what message I need to send dpkg in order to get the codecs so that mplayer works? |
| 00:00.51 | lobak | ok sorry |
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| 00:01.32 | HSorgYves | n0mad: doesn't renice only change the priority? |
| 00:01.36 | hellues | quenstion |
| 00:01.39 | wfq | by the way that is not working for me: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
| 00:01.45 | hellues | can i execute jovilli on debian ? |
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| 00:02.18 | Tenkawa | question all.. what ever happen to xen-linux-system |
| 00:02.37 | Tenkawa | it use to be an alias with apt-get.. no more though |
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| 00:03.10 | wfq | is that url working for someon else? |
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| 00:03.41 | Agiofws | abrotman, |
| 00:03.44 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.44 | abrotman | Agiofws: |
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| 00:03.50 | abrotman | Agiofws: yes .. i know that |
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| 00:03.56 | Agiofws | how can i down load it |
| 00:03.58 | n0mad | HSorgYves, welll that first idea what iv got sorry, em but well renice i think tels to program not use all power |
| 00:04.00 | Agiofws | and install it on etch ? |
| 00:04.05 | abrotman | Agiofws: you ahve to upgrade the whole system to etch |
| 00:04.08 | abrotman | erm.. to lenny |
| 00:04.09 | damaltor | hello there... one of the people online who helped me with my apache server yesterday? |
| 00:04.13 | Agiofws | why ? |
| 00:04.21 | Tenkawa | nm... found whatI needed |
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| 00:04.25 | abrotman | Agiofws: do you know what libc6 is? |
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| 00:04.35 | Agiofws | can't i just install new lib6 |
| 00:04.37 | abrotman | Agiofws: do you know what libc6 is? |
| 00:04.44 | Agiofws | its c lib ? |
| 00:04.53 | Agiofws | no |
| 00:04.55 | Agiofws | i don;t |
| 00:04.59 | amphi | it's _the_ c lib ;) |
| 00:05.17 | abrotman | Agiofws: let's try an experiment .. `apt-cache rdepends libc6 | wc -l` .. what number does it return for you ? |
| 00:05.31 | jim | theeseelib? |
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| 00:06.13 | jim | now there's an interesting question |
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| 00:06.25 | abrotman | jim: what? |
| 00:06.42 | Agiofws | ok |
| 00:06.47 | jim | abrotman: 9320 |
| 00:06.47 | wfq | in that tutorial I am being said to add debian-multimedia for sarge,etch and sid but I have lenny, is not there any for lenny? http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/86/114/ |
| 00:06.56 | abrotman | jim: returns over 10k for me |
| 00:07.12 | abrotman | Agiofws: so those packages think you're using one libc6 .. and oyu want to install another ? |
| 00:07.12 | Agiofws | abrotman, |
| 00:07.15 | Agiofws | lapi:/home/agiofws/extracted/linux2# apt-cache rdepends libc6 | wc -l |
| 00:07.15 | Agiofws | 9473 |
| 00:07.17 | jim | this is a relatively new install... I could try my dual one |
| 00:07.24 | jim | chroot into that badboy |
| 00:07.24 | HSorgYves | is there a way to limit a programm like bzip2 to something like 50% of CPU usage? |
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| 00:07.33 | Agiofws | lol |
| 00:07.34 | Agiofws | ok |
| 00:07.40 | jim | HSorgYves man nice |
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| 00:09.04 | HSorgYves | jim: that affects scheduling but does not set a max does it? |
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| 00:09.46 | komardone | hi all |
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| 00:10.01 | abrotman | i thought there was a way to assert a libc6 version that helped sometimes |
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| 00:10.31 | komardone | if I have a program in one machine, that use GTK, but is not installed in that machine, can I use the program in my machine (GTK installated) with ssh -X ? Is necesary GTK in both machines? |
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| 00:11.38 | amphi | komardone: gtk needs to be on the remote |
| 00:12.08 | jim | HSorgYves hmm, maximum? I guess on a one-time-per-use basis it affects a program right then and there |
| 00:12.18 | komardone | amphi: thanks dude |
| 00:12.21 | jim | that's not what you wanted? |
| 00:12.54 | HSorgYves | jim: i want to limit it to 50% max |
| 00:13.19 | HSorgYves | or 40% max |
| 00:14.01 | jim | and why won't nice work for that? |
| 00:14.37 | tweek | how do you determine the network part of a new interface description? |
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| 00:15.25 | jim | tweek: example? |
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| 00:17.17 | HSorgYves | jim: can you give me an example of nice for this then please? |
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| 00:17.42 | spldart | I had a 160 gig maxtor drive crash it would seem. I've put it in another machine and have run fsck on it and it scrolled a billion and a half bad blocks and inodes problems. It now check fine by fsck and I mounted it gnome. It shows formated 152.7 gig with 105.1 gig free. But I don't see any directories in it.. except lost+found |
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| 00:17.56 | spldart | Is there a chance some data is on it still and recoverable? |
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| 00:18.23 | jim | nice cat which.txt you.txt can.txt pet.txt |
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| 00:19.02 | killown | hi, how I get kernel 2.4 versions on apt-get? |
| 00:19.16 | pipeline | spldart: Well, there's going to be a lot of shit in lost+found. |
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| 00:19.27 | pipeline | spldart: Everything that is recoverable has been recovered already. It's in lost+found. |
| 00:19.37 | jim | which makes the scheduling 10 nicenesses less favorable |
| 00:19.47 | spldart | Yes... lots of #numbers |
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| 00:20.04 | pipeline | spldart: well, there still might be valid data in those files, just the filenames are lost. |
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| 00:20.52 | spldart | Oh wow.. so each of those might be a video or mp3 or application? |
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| 00:21.31 | HSorgYves | re |
| 00:21.36 | jim | roo |
| 00:21.53 | HSorgYves | jim: did not understand your example |
| 00:22.17 | jim | that was scooby doo talking about the girl in "The Fifth Element" |
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| 00:23.24 | jim | nice cat which.txt you.txt can.txt pet.txt |
| 00:23.26 | jim | which makes the scheduling 10 nicenesses less favorable |
| 00:23.41 | jim | (which is the default) |
| 00:23.52 | Draggin | Wow... Seems I actually have the repositories working... Now one more question - there was some security repository listed in my sources.d file, but it doesn't seem to work properly - whenever I run an apt-get update, it says that the MD5Sum does not match and that the repo was ignored. I don't seem to see any 'security' repositories listed - any way to make sure I have something like this? |
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| 00:25.39 | jim | Draggin: what version of debian do you have |
| 00:25.43 | spldart | anywho thanks |
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| 00:26.03 | Draggin | jim... I'm actually not too sure... Pretty new at playing around with this... How can I check? |
| 00:26.29 | jim | one way, show us the first deb line in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:26.42 | jim | another way, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:26.45 | abrotman | Draggin: do you have the keyring installed ? |
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| 00:26.59 | Draggin | abrotman - keyring?? |
| 00:27.17 | abrotman | !no public key |
| 00:27.18 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 00:27.24 | Draggin | jim - cat /etc/debian_version reports "4.0" |
| 00:27.29 | jim | one ring to bind them all and in the darkness jingling? |
| 00:27.36 | jim | ok, that |
| 00:27.48 | jim | is current stable (etch) |
| 00:27.50 | dvs | smacks jim |
| 00:27.51 | Draggin | hehe |
| 00:29.15 | Draggin | So how do I fix this security thing? |
| 00:29.25 | dvs | Draggin: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 00:29.29 | jim | one ring to bind them all and in the back pocket of my jeans hurting my left butt? |
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| 00:30.13 | Draggin | thanks dvs - could you explain to me briefly what it is and does? |
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| 00:30.40 | Akuw | hi |
| 00:30.46 | Akuw | i have this problem /dev/hda5 4806904 4792608 0 100% /usr |
| 00:30.49 | dvs | Draggin: it's a gpg key which can verify if the packages were truly made by the Debian project |
| 00:30.51 | jim | the key is used to verify the file containing the package descriptions |
| 00:31.07 | abrotman | Akuw: uninstall some stuff ? |
| 00:31.15 | jim | (not the packages themselves, afaict) |
| 00:31.22 | Draggin | okay... And that would be enough to replace the 'security' repository in my sources.list file that doesn't seem to be working? |
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| 00:31.28 | Akuw | i am doing, but can gain space |
| 00:31.43 | dvs | Draggin: the key and security repository are two different problems. |
| 00:31.46 | abrotman | Akuw: huh ? |
| 00:32.00 | jim | just get the key? no, you need the key and the line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:32.24 | Draggin | :-/ |
| 00:32.29 | spacemonkey | im setting up CUPS and the web config is acting a bit weird. the main page works, but none of the links work |
| 00:32.45 | Draggin | Confusion... Why do I need the key then? And how do I fix the other problem? |
| 00:33.20 | jim | they added the key system to help verify that packages have come from some particular source |
| 00:33.30 | Akuw | i delete some apps but still have /dev/hda5 4806904 4792608 0 100% /usr |
| 00:33.34 | dvs | Draggin: you need the key to verify that packages were made by the Debian project. We'd have to see your sources.list to see what is wrong with your security repo |
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| 00:34.02 | Draggin | Okay - so the key will just make sure in general that things are kosher... Got that now... I'll get the line giving the problem quickly... |
| 00:34.32 | abrotman | Akuw: run 'sync' .. |
| 00:34.46 | jim | perhaps once you get the key working (and "handed" to apt-key), it might work without problems |
| 00:34.49 | abrotman | Akuw: or uninstall larger packages |
| 00:34.52 | Draggin | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | !tell Akuw about deborphan |
| 00:35.06 | Draggin | Jim - handed to apt-key?? |
| 00:35.11 | jim | yeah |
| 00:35.16 | Draggin | Let me install the keyring quickly and see what that does |
| 00:35.21 | enouf | Akuw: try localepurge too perhaps |
| 00:36.18 | Draggin | Okay - said that the keyring is already the latest version... |
| 00:36.24 | dvs | Draggin: it's pretty close to what I have: "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | i'd probably use etch/updates |
| 00:36.59 | jim | once you install the keyring, you have to hand particular keys to apt-key (which uses the key to verify the Package.gz files) |
| 00:37.27 | jim | does it speak of a particular key? |
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| 00:37.39 | FantomZx | заÑобоÑок http://www.kolotibablo.com/?ref=45139 |
| 00:37.39 | enouf | $ for i in `locate locale`; do echo $i ; done | wc -l |
| 00:37.40 | enouf | 12157 |
| 00:37.43 | enouf | O_o |
| 00:37.44 | Akuw | i used deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge |
| 00:37.53 | enouf | $ dlocate locales | wc -l |
| 00:37.53 | enouf | 686 |
| 00:38.00 | Akuw | but still the same , 100% /usr |
| 00:38.07 | enouf | not so bad, and i even use localepurge |
| 00:38.10 | jim | dislocated locales! mm, painful... |
| 00:38.12 | abrotman | Akuw: did it remove any packages? |
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| 00:38.25 | Akuw | yeah |
| 00:38.47 | enouf | Akuw: dude, all(most) the locale stuff is in /usr |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | Akuw: did it tell you how many ? |
| 00:38.59 | Draggin | Jim - it still says that it gailed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch.updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 00:39.16 | Akuw | 7 to delete |
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| 00:39.23 | Draggin | And then a couple of lines that say something like couldn't stat source package list |
| 00:39.56 | jim | !ops spammer "FantomZx (n=xxx@212.115.231.38) has joined #debian" "<FantomZx> заÑобоÑок http://www.kolotibablo.com/?ref=45139" |
| 00:39.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jim complains about: spammer "FantomZx (n=xxx@212.115.231.38) has joined #debian" "<FantomZx> заÑобоÑок http://www.kolotibablo.com/?ref=45139" |
| 00:40.06 | Akuw | then? |
| 00:40.09 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:40.18 | abrotman | jim: /msg ? |
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| 00:40.23 | dvs | FantomZx is gone now |
| 00:40.24 | abrotman | jim: and he's gone |
| 00:40.35 | peterS | "he's gone, jim" |
| 00:40.39 | dvs | heh |
| 00:40.44 | enouf | she's dead jim |
| 00:40.46 | dvs | Bones? |
| 00:40.51 | peterS | yes |
| 00:41.08 | jim | too bad, she jumpped bones |
| 00:41.36 | Joelito | hi guys, where can I download the latest intel video drivers for my etch box? Intel seem that doesn't has them |
| 00:41.40 | cafuego | !bones |
| 00:41.41 | dpkg | well, bones is Dr Leonard McCoy -- "Dammit, Jim, I'm a DOCTOR, not a mathematician!!" |
| 00:42.15 | cafuego | Also a rather more recent silly crime show |
| 00:42.19 | jim | Joelito: kernels have drivers usually |
| 00:42.22 | Akuw | /dev/hda5 4806904 4744404 0 100% /usr |
| 00:42.29 | enouf | his first name was leonard? lol |
| 00:42.41 | jim | yep |
| 00:42.50 | Draggin | Jim, you said "once you install the keyring, you have to hand particular keys to apt-key (which uses the key to verify the Package.gz files)" Is this something I have to do manually? What exactly did you mean? |
| 00:42.55 | jim | Deforest Kelly was his realname |
| 00:43.07 | Joelito | jim: My idea is to keep the ones that comes default in etch and only install the video drivers |
| 00:43.11 | mentor | Not a Milkman |
| 00:43.20 | spacemonkey | im setting up CUPS and the web config is acting a bit weird. the main page works, but none of the links work |
| 00:43.21 | Akuw | is there any way to solve that? |
| 00:43.25 | enouf | jim: er, and Xorg ;-) |
| 00:43.37 | abrotman | Akuw: have you run sync yet? how many packages did you uninstall? |
| 00:43.54 | Akuw | 7 |
| 00:43.58 | mentor | Most -archive-keyring packages automatically add keys to apt |
| 00:43.58 | Akuw | and delete some dirs |
| 00:43.58 | abrotman | seriously? |
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| 00:44.08 | jim | Draggin: this mismatch of the md5sum is weird... |
| 00:44.13 | abrotman | Akuw: run deborphan again .. without anything else .. how many are listed ? |
| 00:44.19 | jim | could you try apt-get clean then try again |
| 00:44.27 | abrotman | jim: on /usr/ ? |
| 00:44.38 | Akuw | libaiksaurus-1.2-data |
| 00:44.53 | Draggin | jim - I'm glad to hear that, actually :) From the little I know, I thought it was just my own stupidity (which I guess is still a big likelihood) |
| 00:45.05 | cafuego | Akuw: any large sources in /usr/src |
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| 00:45.44 | jim | Draggin: I hate it when people frame themselves as stupid when really what it is is lack of information |
| 00:45.48 | enouf | Akuw: you might have missed the final '-' in your xargs command? and do you have other partitions below /usr? like /usr/share, /usr/local ? if not use localepurge as i stated like 5 times now |
| 00:45.52 | HSorgYves | jim: i think cpulimit is what i was looking for... does anyone know that package? |
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| 00:46.06 | jim | !info cpulimit |
| 00:46.08 | Draggin | jim - well, sometimes it's the same thing, don't you think? :) |
| 00:46.08 | dpkg | cpulimit: (limits the cpu usage of a process), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 00:46.29 | jim | dpkg does :) |
| 00:46.52 | enouf | jim: hrm, newer? |
| 00:47.04 | Draggin | I think I'm going to try and add the line dvs has in his sources.list and see if that works... |
| 00:47.18 | Akuw | please check ---> http://www.pastebin.ca/957489 |
| 00:47.20 | jim | Draggin: what is that line? |
| 00:47.27 | dvs | Draggin: you can't have two security lines. |
| 00:47.33 | Draggin | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 00:47.39 | enouf | jim: can't see the trees for deforest? |
| 00:47.42 | Draggin | dvs - cool, I'll comment out my original one |
| 00:47.56 | jim | enouf: oh that was bad :P |
| 00:48.06 | enouf | :-P .. also Deforest Tucker == FTroop ? |
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| 00:48.28 | stew | Draggin: what is your original one? you should have at least two, that security line and a main deb mirror |
| 00:49.16 | jim | stew: good catch... hope we don't end up confusing him too much |
| 00:49.24 | abrotman | Akuw: paste `ls -l /usr/src/` |
| 00:49.31 | Akuw | damm, i deleted gcompris and still have 100% |
| 00:49.34 | enouf | Akuw: that's not what i asked |
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| 00:49.42 | Akuw | wait |
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| 00:49.46 | abrotman | Akuw: stop randomly deleting stuff |
| 00:49.49 | Draggin | stew - my original security line was: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 00:50.01 | enouf | Akuw: you showed output of df, which only shows mounted partitions |
| 00:50.01 | abrotman | that's fine |
| 00:50.04 | Draggin | And stew, I do have other repository lines listed |
| 00:50.05 | jim | and this new one is? |
| 00:50.08 | Akuw | drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 2007-10-26 09:17 rpm |
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| 00:50.22 | abrotman | Akuw: you only have one thing in /usr/src/ ? |
| 00:50.42 | stew | Draggin: your original line was better than the one you are replacing it with |
| 00:50.52 | Akuw | yeah |
| 00:51.11 | jim | but if it never works... how good is it really? :) |
| 00:51.16 | Draggin | stew - but the original one doesn't work - I keep getting and MD5Sum mismatch error when I run apt-get update |
| 00:51.20 | abrotman | Akuw: paste the output of `cd /usr/ && ls | xargs du -sk` ... use a pastebin |
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| 00:51.24 | Draggin | Hehe, jim - indeed :) |
| 00:51.26 | abrotman | Akuw: it will take awhile |
| 00:51.29 | Akuw | ls -l rpm ---> http://www.pastebin.ca/957499 |
| 00:52.03 | jim | Akuw: why that there? |
| 00:52.06 | stew | Draggin: then i'd expect you to get the same, as 'stable' which you are now replacing 'etch' with is actually just a symlink to 'etch' |
| 00:52.20 | Draggin | oh... darn... |
| 00:52.23 | Akuw | don't know |
| 00:52.24 | Draggin | Hmmm... |
| 00:52.34 | Draggin | So what could be causing this problem? |
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| 00:53.02 | dvs | Draggin: did you try the "apt-get clean" ? |
| 00:53.04 | stew | eventually that 'stable' link will start pointing to lenny instead, which will cause problems for your etch system |
| 00:53.31 | stew | Draggin: what is the actual error you are getting? |
| 00:53.36 | stew | Draggin: don't bother with apt-get clean |
| 00:53.46 | Draggin | what does apt-get clean do? |
| 00:53.46 | dvs | -_- |
| 00:53.59 | Draggin | stew - hang on, I'll tell you what the error is... |
| 00:54.01 | stew | Draggin: removes cached .debs from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:54.35 | Draggin | Oh, I doubt that'll help - I haven't downloaded anything yet - - only started fixing the repositories now |
| 00:54.36 | Akuw | damm |
| 00:54.39 | abrotman | Akuw: done yet? |
| 00:54.40 | Akuw | what now ? |
| 00:54.44 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:54.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 00:54.47 | abrotman | Akuw: paste the output of `cd /usr/ && ls | xargs du -sk` ... use a pastebin |
| 00:55.10 | Akuw | wait |
| 00:55.33 | dvs | Draggin: Ah. Do you have any other lines in your sources.list file besides the security and regular deb line? |
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| 00:55.56 | Draggin | O...Kay... How's this for bizarre... I replaced the security line with the one dvs showed me (the 'etch' replaced 'stable') and it worked... |
| 00:56.06 | Draggin | dvs - only comments. |
| 00:56.10 | dvs | ok |
| 00:56.20 | tweek | i am dealing with morons, i asked them to see if an ip is reachable from their network, they go and test the known working good one not the questionable one... |
| 00:56.32 | Akuw | http://www.pastebin.ca/957501 |
| 00:56.34 | Draggin | Strangeness... It updated fine now... |
| 00:56.56 | Draggin | Okay well... I guess I'm up and running now and ready to download packages |
| 00:56.59 | stew | Draggin: security.debian.org is a round robin of multiple servers, you are probably just no longer getting the one with the problem |
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| 00:57.16 | Akuw | abrotman: see http://www.pastebin.ca/957501 |
| 00:57.25 | Draggin | stew... Does that mean that it could re-occur in the future without me changing anything? |
| 00:57.36 | stew | Draggin: yes |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | Akuw: uh .. what is in /usr/local/ ? what did you compile ? |
| 00:57.53 | abrotman | wait .. that's only 200MB |
| 00:57.56 | stew | Draggin: except, i don't really know what "it" is |
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| 00:59.25 | Draggin | dvs's line definitely seems to fix the problem (for now at least) though. Replaced the original and ran apt-get update - MD5Sum mismatch. Put in dvs's line, ran apt-get update, everything fine... |
| 01:00.03 | dvs | Draggin: that doesn't make sense. They should be the same thing (for now) |
| 01:00.21 | Akuw | abrotman: what do you think ? |
| 01:00.32 | abrotman | Akuw: i think you've got too much stuff installed |
| 01:00.40 | abrotman | Akuw: didn't enouf ask you about localepurge ? |
| 01:01.08 | Akuw | i have to install it |
| 01:01.22 | Draggin | dvs - I dunno... Have no idea why that would be happening, but I checked again just now... |
| 01:01.54 | Akuw | humm, i run localepurge |
| 01:02.04 | Akuw | there is a lot in the list |
| 01:02.08 | Draggin | I should be okay for now though... But I have another question, concerning the installation of packages... |
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| 01:02.37 | FreeDownload | ? |
| 01:02.41 | dvs | ! |
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| 01:02.54 | Lewoco | How do I tell synaptic to mark a package 'auto'? |
| 01:02.59 | Draggin | If I use apt-get to install something, let's say KDE, will it automatically start up when the system boots? Or will it just be installed and require me to execute startx to get it up and running? |
| 01:03.07 | FreeDownload | does anyone knows "Ubuntina" ? |
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| 01:03.21 | stew | FreeDownload: do you have a debian related question? |
| 01:03.21 | dvs | Draggin: you need the gdm package to have it start automatically |
| 01:03.30 | Akuw | abrotman: now what? |
| 01:03.34 | dvs | Draggin: or kdm |
| 01:03.46 | abrotman | Akuw: read the docs for localepurge |
| 01:03.53 | Lewoco | How does synaptic determine if a package is an orphan? |
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| 01:04.01 | FreeDownload | FUA.. |
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| 01:04.03 | abrotman | Lewoco: it has no depends |
| 01:04.08 | Draggin | dvs - okay... What exactly do they do? Because on this particular system I would actually prefer for it not to start up automatically |
| 01:04.31 | dvs | Draggin: then don't install it. Remove them if they do get installed. |
| 01:04.59 | jdk1976 | colored init screens. what are they, where are they, help, please, before i die of futility |
| 01:05.04 | Draggin | dvs - yeah, I assume kdm would probably automatically install when I install KDE... |
| 01:05.14 | dvs | !install kde |
| 01:05.14 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 01:05.19 | Draggin | What would the equivalent package be for xfce? |
| 01:05.21 | Lewoco | abrotman: If I create a new filter and click several options, is the resulting set of matches the union or intersection or the options? |
| 01:05.30 | Lewoco | of* |
| 01:05.36 | dvs | Draggin: dunno. I use use xfce. |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | Lewoco: i don't useit .. no idea |
| 01:06.47 | Draggin | Good heavens... Linux takes a lot of time to become friendly :) I'm really still struggling to understand all these interdependencies and just what the hell it is all these hundreds of packages actually do... |
| 01:06.49 | dvs | I don't use xfce |
| 01:06.52 | Lewoco | abrotman: I want to see a list of all the orphans on my machine. What is the easiest way to do this on debian? |
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| 01:07.14 | abrotman | Lewoco: i'm synaptic has some nifty tool .. i just use deborphan |
| 01:07.17 | dvs | Draggin: just install the packages you want to use. |
| 01:07.38 | Lewoco | abrotman: I tried synaptic and it doesn't seem to work properly. I'll try deborphan. |
| 01:07.59 | spacemonkey | im setting up CUPS and the web config is acting a bit weird. the main page works, but none of the links work |
| 01:08.26 | Draggin | dvs, yes, I understand that, but I mean - if I issue an apt-get install xfce4 for instance, there's this giant list of other dependency packages that need to be installed as well, and I just always wonder what they actually are. Because it's usually quite a list... |
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| 01:09.42 | twobitsprite | hey, this might be off-topic, but I just inheritted a Dell Axim pocket PC and I'm looking to install Linux on it... any recommendations |
| 01:09.42 | stew | Draggin: 'apt-cache show packagename' would tell you what a package does |
| 01:09.48 | dvs | Draggin: for window managers, there's usually a main package and then there's a base packages. The base package installs the very minimal number of packages needed to get the system running. |
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| 01:10.19 | Draggin | cool... |
| 01:10.21 | stew | Draggin: but by asking for 'xfce4' you are asking for an entire desktop environment, not just a window manager, so you are probably getting a web-browser, a mail-reader, a wordprocesser, etc... |
| 01:10.40 | dvs | !info xfce-base etch |
| 01:10.40 | abrotman | twobitsprite: i'd hit google |
| 01:10.57 | Draggin | Ah... okay... I see. So I should probably rather install something like xfce-base then, I guess |
| 01:11.15 | dvs | Draggin: That package doesn't exist. I just checked. |
| 01:11.22 | dvs | !depends xfce |
| 01:11.29 | Draggin | Yeah, just taking a wild guess :) |
| 01:11.40 | Draggin | But I mean... I know there's a kdebase |
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| 01:13.43 | n0mad | how to psecify priority before startup, to program ? |
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| 01:14.08 | arooni | after changing an init script in /etc/init.d do i need to do that update rc thing again? |
| 01:14.14 | arooni | to get it to run on startup? |
| 01:14.19 | abrotman | again? |
| 01:14.22 | stew | n0mad: man nice |
| 01:14.28 | jones_513 | hi |
| 01:14.33 | arooni | abrotman, yes... i already ran the thing to make sure it runs on startup |
| 01:14.39 | Draggin | brb |
| 01:14.42 | abrotman | arooni: no .. once is enough |
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| 01:15.07 | Lewoco | abrotman: deborphan rocks. Thanks |
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| 01:15.16 | arooni | abrotman, all of those scripts run as root correct? if so... and i have a bash script ... can i run: sudo -u foo ? to start a process not as the root user? |
| 01:15.26 | spacemonkey | im setting up CUPS and the web config is acting a bit weird. the main page works, but none of the links work |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | arooni: i'd probably use `su` .. but it's up to you |
| 01:16.14 | abrotman | spacemonkey: tried another browser ? |
| 01:16.15 | arooni | abrotman, but i can use either option right? i just need it for this one command |
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| 01:16.26 | abrotman | arooni: sudo should also work |
| 01:16.31 | arooni | abrotman, so i can run sudo -u mongrel_rails rest_of_command_blah |
| 01:16.41 | n0mad | stew ok |
| 01:16.50 | abrotman | you probably need quotes .. and another option or two .. check the sudo man page |
| 01:17.10 | spacemonkey | abrotman: even weirder, it doesnt work at all on my mac |
| 01:17.22 | abrotman | spacemonkey: i blame the mac |
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| 01:18.39 | n0mad | nice program priority ? |
| 01:18.40 | arooni | ps aux seems to list the pid for processes that my user started; while listing the names of processes other users started; is this correct? |
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| 01:19.39 | abrotman | arooni: it does what? |
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| 01:20.06 | arooni | abrotman, first line seems to be name of user || PID |
| 01:20.22 | abrotman | first line is the headers |
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| 01:21.40 | Lewoco | abrotman: Hmm, why does it not show packages like alien, aptitude and many others when I do?: deborphan -ap1 |
| 01:22.28 | abrotman | Lewoco: the -p1 is priority required |
| 01:22.32 | abrotman | AIUI anyways |
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| 01:23.27 | arooni | how do i generate a public key that i can upload places?? where will it be found once i generate it? |
| 01:24.23 | Lewoco | abrotman: Yeah it is, which means it should show everything, even if it's very high priority. So why does it still not show alien/aptitude? Nothing depends on them AFAIK. |
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| 01:24.42 | abrotman | Lewoco: -p5 shows it ? or -p2 ? |
| 01:24.47 | Lewoco | abrotman: Nope |
| 01:24.51 | Lewoco | abrotman: They show even less. |
| 01:24.57 | abrotman | Lewoco: something depends on them? |
| 01:25.30 | Lewoco | abrotman: When I look at them in aptitude, neither of them says they have any packages that depend on them. |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | Lewoco: aptitude remove alien .. does it take anything with it ? |
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| 01:27.12 | Draggin | exit |
| 01:27.18 | Draggin | oops :) |
| 01:27.26 | Lewoco | abrotman: Yeah, aptitude wants to also remove all the stuff required by alien that is no longer required. |
| 01:27.36 | abrotman | uh... |
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| 01:28.22 | Lewoco | abrotman: ohhhh, nm |
| 01:28.29 | Lewoco | abrotman: I was doing something really stupid. |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:30.09 | Lewoco | abrotman: I didn't realise you have to actually press enter where it says 'Packages which depend on alien'. So when there was nothing visible under it I assumed that nothing depended on it =) |
| 01:30.26 | Lewoco | abrotman: I need more practise using ncurses programs =) |
| 01:30.26 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:31.51 | chupaleche | How can I install ms corefonts? |
| 01:31.59 | chupaleche | I don't find any corefonts packages. |
| 01:32.00 | Akuw | abrotman: to install debian, the size of usr and home need a big space right ? |
| 01:32.12 | abrotman | Akuw: depends what you install with it |
| 01:32.16 | Akuw | the scheme by default put so much space to home |
| 01:32.26 | chupaleche | Linux debian 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 01:32.30 | Akuw | and i like to test application |
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| 01:32.49 | Draggin | okay... So I've just installed the whole of xfce4 on this debian system... How do I start it up?! :) |
| 01:33.14 | tengulre | I use vmstat got 3 lines messages, how to got the 3th line message? |
| 01:33.31 | jones_513 | so i installed ndiswrapper, but now when i modprobe ndiswrapper is says fatal: module ndiswrapper not found, any ideas? |
| 01:34.27 | jones_513 | i installed the drivers and everything, and i can do ndiswrapper -l and it tells me the driver name and everything |
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| 01:36.39 | arooni | whats a good port for ssh that is not port 22 and wont conflict with other stuff? |
| 01:36.42 | arooni | is 24000 ok? |
| 01:36.50 | chupaleche | Anyone ? Microsoft corefonts on debian etch ? |
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| 01:36.57 | arooni | what about 222 |
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| 01:38.04 | VolVE | hey all, bit of a noob, if I'm looking at some crazyily high load averages, what's the best way to find out which processes are causing them? |
| 01:38.10 | Madd_Matt | arooni, basically anything over 10000 is safe for random use. Really, just look at what you've got on your own machine and decide. |
| 01:38.21 | Madd_Matt | VolVE, how high? |
| 01:38.37 | VolVE | Madd_Matt: 348.67 346.01 337.69 :\ |
| 01:38.39 | pipeline | VolVE: all of them, maybe. A large part of load average is how many processes are trying to run and not doing too well at it. |
| 01:38.55 | Madd_Matt | VolVE, wow, yeah. |
| 01:39.04 | Madd_Matt | VolVE, just watch 'top' or something. |
| 01:39.27 | VolVE | Madd_Matt: yeah... I'm staring at top and it's not bouncing around, I think the bigger issue is which columns in top are the most informative in this case? the CPU I imagine? |
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| 01:39.35 | Coweater | chupaleche: they're in contrib, what about them? |
| 01:39.41 | Madd_Matt | The highest load average I ever saw was around 1000 and that was due to a fork bomb |
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| 01:39.55 | hellues | i have a problem |
| 01:40.10 | hellues | i installed an phpbb template iit was not working |
| 01:40.28 | hellues | how can i return old theme that i used before installing new theme |
| 01:40.56 | VolVE | Madd_Matt: it's just weird, nothing's really using CPU... 0.0 across the board (apart from top) |
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| 01:41.15 | Madd_Matt | VolVE, whats the machine do? |
| 01:41.32 | VolVE | web / mail / database, very low load |
| 01:41.45 | abrotman | VolVE: CPU != load always |
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| 01:41.59 | VolVE | abrotman: that's what I'm learning, any other tips? :) |
| 01:42.10 | abrotman | VolVE: is it your desktop that you're sitting in front of ? |
| 01:42.17 | Madd_Matt | VolVE, tons of apache threads running? If you got thousands of simultaneous hits... |
| 01:42.29 | VolVE | it's a little Athlon server next to me, no GUI |
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| 01:42.43 | abrotman | VolVE: is the disk thrashing ? |
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| 01:43.54 | VolVE | not according to vmstat, bi/bo for io is 0 and 0 pretty much |
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| 01:44.09 | VolVE | and I don't /hear/ it crunching away... |
| 01:44.12 | pipeline | VolVE: pstree. Something has a gazillion children competing for processor time. |
| 01:44.29 | pipeline | VolVE: You wouldn't even be able to run top if there were something reasonable causing those load numbers. The linux kernel just isn't up to it. |
| 01:44.55 | VolVE | pstree | wc -l, gives me 72 |
| 01:45.16 | abrotman | pipeline: i don't think any kernel is |
| 01:45.26 | VolVE | pipeline: well Apache stopped responding, that's what tipped me off... I tried restarting Apache and the load is just as high |
| 01:45.31 | chupaleche | Coweater: Ok. I needed to update my sources.list. Sorry, I've been away from debian for a while. I thought maybe there was some new policy to not have packages for it anymore, or something.. ;).. Thanks :) |
| 01:45.34 | pipeline | abrotman: Solaris :X |
| 01:45.39 | abrotman | pipeline: bullshit |
| 01:45.56 | hellues | ,how can i change phpbb2 template manually |
| 01:45.56 | pipeline | abrotman: I've seen 4-way pieces of shit from the 90s do horrible things :X |
| 01:46.01 | abrotman | VolVE: you're supposed to look at the pstree |
| 01:46.09 | pipeline | abrotman: logging in wasn't doable but it was usable |
| 01:46.09 | abrotman | pipeline: so have i .. that doesn't imply load numbers |
| 01:46.18 | pipeline | abrotman: err, rather, wasn't fun, but it was doable |
| 01:46.47 | VolVE | abrotman: well sure, I was just conveying that 72 didn't seem like something with a lot of out-of-control threads... in any case, looking now :) |
| 01:47.04 | abrotman | VolVE: does the system send email ? |
| 01:47.34 | VolVE | it has been known too, but it shouldn't be doing so right now as I transitioned the few users to a different SMTP box |
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| 01:48.06 | VolVE | ok so looking at pstree there are some threads, and some prefixed with numbers... any pointers? |
| 01:48.09 | chupaleche | Coweater: Do I need to anything more to get iceweasel to use the fonts ?.. Is it enough to just install the package ? |
| 01:48.13 | abrotman | VolVE: it's been known to?! |
| 01:49.48 | abrotman | VolVE: is the machine actually responsive ? |
| 01:50.00 | VolVE | abrotman: I'm being informal. It's a mail server in as much as I kept the processes running so that any straggling users wouldn't be confused when Outlook broke, but they really aren't using it as far as I can tell :) |
| 01:50.19 | abrotman | VolVE: `mailq` .. anything in there? |
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| 01:50.38 | VolVE | it's responding to ssh access, top, etc. fine... not Apache so much |
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| 01:50.59 | VolVE | 7 requests in mailq, all just root stuff from this evening |
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| 01:52.37 | abrotman | VolVE: you can try to shut down the mail system .. shut down apache .. |
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| 01:54.53 | VolVE | well, Apache is down and it's still high |
| 01:54.54 | VolVE | hmm |
| 01:55.43 | VolVE | I think the box may have just gone funny |
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| 01:55.52 | VolVE | Apache and Postifx and Fetchmail had no change on the load |
| 01:55.54 | VolVE | :/ |
| 01:55.57 | hellues | how can i change phpbb template manually |
| 01:56.00 | VolVE | I'm going for a reboot... ugh |
| 01:56.02 | hellues | template doesnt work |
| 01:56.04 | abrotman | no!!!!! |
| 01:56.10 | hellues | and i see warning |
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| 01:56.16 | abrotman | ask #phpbb |
| 01:56.17 | hellues | i wonan change phpbb2 template |
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| 01:56.28 | hellues | how is it |
| 01:56.32 | hellues | hm |
| 01:56.38 | VolVE | ah HA! it was apache |
| 01:56.39 | abrotman | !tell hellues about enter |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | !tell hellues about es |
| 01:56.45 | abrotman | oh .. not es .. ignore me |
| 01:56.51 | abrotman | VolVE: but do you know why? |
| 01:56.55 | VolVE | the error logs have a bunch of "child process did not exit", etc. errors :) |
| 01:57.00 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:57.10 | VolVE | so maybe an Apache module puked |
| 01:57.16 | MacTaylor | Is debian cutting edge that when a new program version is released debian will update it? |
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| 01:57.39 | abrotman | MacTaylor: once prepared .. which can take awhile .. but that's the general idea |
| 01:57.44 | VolVE | abrotman: well that was fun, thanks for all the help :) |
| 01:57.50 | hellues | sıery |
| 01:57.54 | abrotman | VolVE: i didn't do much .. and it's still not fixed |
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| 01:58.19 | VolVE | well at least now I know where to focus my efforts if it happens again |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | i think it will .. since you mentioned you shut down apache once before ? |
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| 01:58.45 | VolVE | yup |
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| 01:59.26 | hellues | hey no one in phpbb |
| 01:59.32 | hellues | can someone ask me :D |
| 01:59.32 | abrotman | so wait |
| 01:59.36 | abrotman | WAIT |
| 01:59.37 | hellues | sorry answer |
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| 02:00.10 | hellues | there is no enoughn time to wait unfortunately |
| 02:00.20 | spacemonkey | if i want to access a cups web conf page, do i need to do anything other than changing localhost to all in the .conf |
| 02:00.22 | abrotman | tough shit ... be patient |
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| 02:02.42 | VolVE | ok so this reboot is stalling |
| 02:02.47 | VolVE | because of the hung apache threads |
| 02:02.50 | abrotman | probalby trying to start apache |
| 02:03.05 | VolVE | which even kill -9 <pid> isn't affecting :/ |
| 02:03.10 | arooni | is this a bad line to have as the last line of my sources.list if i want to have a production quality server setup? deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 02:03.26 | VolVE | except they appear to be child threads, because Apache doesn't think it is running if I issue another stop... |
| 02:03.28 | abrotman | arooni: the order doesn't matter |
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| 02:03.35 | arooni | abrotman, ok what about it being there or not |
| 02:03.38 | arooni | is it ok? |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | VolVE: /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 02:03.48 | abrotman | arooni: only needed if you're going to use backports |
| 02:03.54 | abrotman | VolVE: or apache2 stop |
| 02:04.02 | arooni | abrotman, i'm not sure why it got in there..... i dont recall why... should i remove it? |
| 02:04.14 | abrotman | arooni: that's up to you |
| 02:04.22 | arooni | abrotman, is there anyway to find out what programs are using it |
| 02:04.26 | arooni | that i already have installed |
| 02:04.31 | VolVE | abrotman: "httpd (no pid file) not running" |
| 02:04.42 | abrotman | arooni: dpkg -l | grep bpo ? |
| 02:04.59 | arooni | ii libpopt0 1.10-3 lib for parsing cmdline parameters |
| 02:05.04 | arooni | thats the only listed item |
| 02:05.08 | abrotman | don't think that counts |
| 02:05.20 | arooni | abrotman, ok sounds as if i should remove it |
| 02:05.49 | abrotman | arooni: comment it out |
| 02:06.13 | arooni | abrotman, good call |
| 02:06.30 | arooni | how often should i run : sudo aptitude upgrade; dist-upgrade ? |
| 02:06.36 | arooni | should it be on a cron job? |
| 02:06.38 | Penix | arooni: no |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | arooni: are you running etch ? |
| 02:06.48 | Penix | arooni: are you running etch? |
| 02:06.52 | VolVE | so when a kill -9 has no effect... any ideas anyone? :/ |
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| 02:07.03 | abrotman | VolVE: kill the parent? |
| 02:07.21 | VolVE | the parent alread seems to have gone with the: apache stop |
| 02:07.24 | arooni | abrotman, Penix yes etch |
| 02:07.40 | abrotman | VolVE: you might just have to wait |
| 02:07.59 | VolVE | ...how long? :\ |
| 02:08.28 | abrotman | a day or two |
| 02:08.33 | VolVE | oh stop |
| 02:08.35 | VolVE | ;) |
| 02:08.50 | abrotman | VolVE: killall apache ? |
| 02:09.07 | VolVE | hey look a 'poweroff' command worked ;D |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | imagine that |
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| 02:09.35 | xda | does debian have good support for laptops? |
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| 02:09.48 | xda | is there a guide that helps me set up the special buttons, acpi etc |
| 02:09.50 | xda | ? |
| 02:09.56 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 02:09.56 | dpkg | it has been said that laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 02:10.13 | arooni | Penix, abrotman what about running the upgrade thing on a cron job? still bad idea? |
| 02:10.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:10.45 | Penix | arooni: security updates are the only thing you'll get from an upgrade |
| 02:12.03 | Penix | arooni: you can subscribe to the security announce list and update accordingly |
| 02:13.39 | VolVE | abrotman: well as reboot didn't work I was actually somewhat dubious that poweroff would, odd |
| 02:14.02 | abrotman | VolVE: the machine is now off? .. that'll make the load lower :) |
| 02:14.29 | VolVE | indeed. it was instantaenious too, odd |
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| 02:19.37 | lymeca | What does it mean when the "FATs don't match"? |
| 02:19.52 | abrotman | file allocation tables |
| 02:19.57 | lymeca | What does it mean when the "FATs don't match"? |
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| 02:20.00 | lymeca | oh wow |
| 02:20.01 | lymeca | sorry |
| 02:20.02 | abrotman | IIRC there's a primary and a backup |
| 02:20.23 | lymeca | abrotman: the EFI partition on this macbook says that so I'm kind of worried |
| 02:20.36 | lymeca | It says I should run scandisk on it |
| 02:21.19 | abrotman | it knows more than me :) |
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| 02:25.06 | PythonNinja | apt-get seems to be ignoring my repo flag, i'm trying apt-get -t lenny source iceweasel , but it's trying to get teh ff3 beta from experimental. i have a lenny line in my sources.list |
| 02:25.38 | abrotman | and your pinning ? |
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| 02:26.20 | PythonNinja | abrotman: unstable priority 499, lenny 500, experimental 501, so most stuff installs from lenny unless i specify otherwise, but i thought -t forced it to use the repo i tell it to? |
| 02:27.15 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 02:27.15 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 02:27.43 | abrotman | shouldn't experimental be lower than 500 ? |
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| 02:30.59 | abrotman | PythonNinja: maybe pinning doesn't apply to deb-src ? |
| 02:31.41 | userone | sis + debian = hopless? |
| 02:31.53 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:32.05 | PythonNinja | abrotman: guess not. i'll just comment out my experimental src line |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | SIS stuff works in linux |
| 02:33.17 | userone | every install crashes except ubunto 6.06. anyone else have problems with sis chipsets? |
| 02:33.55 | craigevil | !ubuntu |
| 02:33.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 02:34.03 | Supaplex | sis is tHe suck |
| 02:34.15 | Supaplex | get your money back :D |
| 02:34.16 | craigevil | worse even than VIA |
| 02:34.36 | userone | @ Supaples, yep |
| 02:34.54 | userone | (with an x) |
| 02:35.43 | Supaplex | years ago my CS class I was an assistant instructor in, had me eval two teams for their system builds. the team with the SIS video card lost based on that alone (most everything else was fair/equal) |
| 02:35.44 | cafuego | userone: mostly I think only owners of sis chipsets have issues with sis chipsets. |
| 02:36.01 | userone | @ dpkg, got 6.06 and the latest debian installed right now and debian crashes. |
| 02:36.09 | cafuego | craigevil: Do not speak bad of the KT400 |
| 02:36.10 | Supaplex | !bot |
| 02:36.10 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 02:36.11 | abrotman | uh .. dpkg is a bot |
| 02:36.23 | Supaplex | abrotman's quick ;) |
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| 02:36.52 | craigevil | i have via. but i stuck a nvidia card in it so i didnt have to mess with it |
| 02:37.47 | userone | i think it is a rendering problem, should I just get a cheap video card? |
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| 02:38.38 | Gun_Smoke | What do you think for $1050 out the door? http://pastebin.com/m675a4141 |
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| 02:39.45 | cafuego | 1280x800 is a bit slow rez for a 15" screen |
| 02:39.55 | Supaplex | intel e100 > 3com pci > realtek 8139c > buggy intel e100 (first few gens) > linksys > rhine-II > realtek ne2k clone > 3com isa > netgear > rhine-I > SIS |
| 02:40.01 | Supaplex | that's imo |
| 02:40.02 | cafuego | and be VERY careful about the wifi chipset |
| 02:40.23 | craigevil | just get a Eee PC :) |
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| 02:41.20 | Supaplex | oh, s/netgear/netgear > forcedeth / |
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| 02:42.02 | craigevil | my router is a netgear router, WGR614L Open source router |
| 02:43.07 | cafuego | craigevil: the screen on an eeepc is too small |
| 02:43.08 | Supaplex | I have a geode SoC using realtek 8139C+. 300mhz 64mb ram, 64mb pata-flash |
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| 02:43.19 | SerajewelKS | what program can i use to manage which applications have access to which gnome keyring entries? gnome-keyring-manager doesn't display this information. |
| 02:43.47 | craigevil | cafuego: you get used to it, and having irssi split windows helps |
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| 02:53.27 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 02:53.28 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
| 02:53.44 | enouf | heh |
| 02:53.45 | abrotman | not my fault! |
| 02:54.16 | Supaplex | hahaha |
| 02:54.19 | Madd_Matt | cafuego, the 9" screens look better. But I don't think I'd downsize from my 11.1" |
| 02:54.28 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i have no idea what even a gnome-keyring-whatever is meant to be for, tried irc.gnome.org? |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | !info seahorse etch |
| 02:54.50 | abrotman | that ? |
| 02:54.52 | xuser | is there a pdf viewer plugin for iceweasel? |
| 02:54.53 | dpkg | seahorse: (A Gnome front end for GnuPG), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.9.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1645 kB, Installed size: 5728 kB |
| 02:54.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not gpg |
| 02:55.05 | abrotman | oh .. there's a gnome-keyring package |
| 02:55.09 | Madd_Matt | enouf, gnome-keyring does what it sounds like, manages your keys. Stored passwords, private keys, etc. |
| 02:55.19 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the daemon that e.g. evolution uses to store login information |
| 02:55.29 | SerajewelKS | gnome-keyring-manager doesn't give you a whole lot of control |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i'm with enouf .. mosey your ass over to irc.gnome.org :) |
| 02:56.38 | enouf | Madd_Matt: well, ok, but gpg is for that as well, so is kwallet, or whatever - the idea of a 'keyring' somehow makes me think of 'pkg installation/verification' etc |
| 02:56.54 | Madd_Matt | kwallet = gnome-keyring-manager afaik. |
| 02:57.39 | enouf | SerajewelKS: try also ##linux, i know i've heard a few discuss those things |
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| 02:58.37 | enouf | puts on the shirt with the big arrow pointing to the left that say "he ain't with me" :-p |
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| 02:59.18 | jones_513 | does anyone know if there is a media center clone that will work with a xbox 360 the way media center does? |
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| 03:00.55 | enouf | Frontline is doing some nice bush whacking ;-) |
| 03:01.20 | enouf | jones_513: mythtv ? |
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| 03:08.15 | enouf | jones_513: http://www.linuxtoys.net/toys2.html ?? |
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| 03:08.58 | jones_513 | enouf, haha i bought the first one of those books a long time ago |
| 03:09.24 | enouf | whomever was asking the other night about remote controlled wifi gadgets, timers, and stuff (iateadonut?) also checkout http://linuxtoys.org/index.html |
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| 03:11.18 | enouf | and this too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSTEON |
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| 03:20.44 | zeitsofas | gute nacht zusammen | good night @ all |
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| 03:22.13 | irelinquish | jones_513, there is no windows media center replacement. But if you looking to stream your music and videos check out ushare |
| 03:22.21 | irelinquish | or twonkyvision |
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| 03:32.47 | ansong | i need an opinion: i'm about to register a new name and both .net, .org and .info are available. i will only choose one. any suggestions? |
| 03:33.02 | arubin | what is it to be used for? |
| 03:33.20 | arubin | both typically refers to two items btw |
| 03:34.21 | ansong | personal site; snarky take on the news for some family / friends |
| 03:34.38 | loco_burrito | .net is most common after .com |
| 03:34.46 | arubin | I use .org for personal sites |
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| 03:35.04 | loco_burrito | just dont get .info, it sucks |
| 03:35.16 | loco_burrito | get .net, it is cool |
| 03:35.19 | arubin | how does it suck? |
| 03:35.25 | ansong | arubin: re: both. you're right. i have no idea how that got out there... |
| 03:35.31 | loco_burrito | .info sites sound like hacker websites with illegal shit on them |
| 03:35.49 | ansong | loco_burrito: no, thats .nfo |
| 03:35.49 | arubin | isn't that considered cool in certain circles? |
| 03:36.14 | loco_burrito | .net sounds cool |
| 03:36.23 | loco_burrito | kickass.net |
| 03:36.27 | loco_burrito | see? |
| 03:37.07 | ansong | it does have that 'techie' ring to it. |
| 03:37.18 | loco_burrito | .org sounds like a NGO |
| 03:37.59 | ansong | hmm. i've got to say you're making sense... |
| 03:38.06 | loco_burrito | thank youi |
| 03:38.29 | arubin | back in the day when there was basically .org, .net, .com and .gov most people used .org unless they were an ISP, corporation or government agency respectively |
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| 03:38.51 | ansong | arubin: i know, that's what has held me back so far. |
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| 03:39.23 | ansong | com was for companies, .org was for non-profits, .net was for isps |
| 03:39.43 | loco_burrito | you can get .us |
| 03:40.01 | ansong | not through dreamhost... |
| 03:41.04 | loco_burrito | I hate that I have to shower every other 3-4 days |
| 03:41.15 | loco_burrito | I smell again |
| 03:41.16 | ansong | loco_burrito: everyone else hates it too |
| 03:41.21 | loco_burrito | man.. and I use all that deo-roll-on |
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| 03:42.07 | loco_burrito | so if .com is taken, you go for .net, thats the next option |
| 03:42.12 | loco_burrito | if it was taken too you would go for .org |
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| 03:44.47 | smaug9 | what's the command to install a 'set' of packages, like during install, such as 'mail server' |
| 03:46.48 | ansong | konqueror sucks... to complete the google checkout for the registration, i had to do it all over again with iceape. |
| 03:47.23 | ansong | isn't that tasksel? |
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| 03:48.07 | ansong | smaug9: yeah, i think tasksel is what you're after |
| 03:48.21 | smaug9 | ansong: thanks! |
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| 03:58.38 | Dome | sb here? |
| 03:58.55 | Dome | need help with my NIC |
| 03:59.25 | ansong | Dome: we'll try, but you've got to tell us what's up |
| 03:59.30 | Rusty1 | !ask |
| 03:59.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:00.23 | Dome | the problem is that my NIC can't be "found" neither in debian nor in the NetInst Installation |
| 04:00.54 | ansong | what chipset is the card? |
| 04:00.59 | Dome | realtek 8139 |
| 04:01.08 | ansong | that ought to work |
| 04:01.22 | Dome | i know |
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| 04:01.33 | ansong | does lsmod show any modules loaded for it? |
| 04:01.38 | Dome | it does |
| 04:01.52 | Dome | 8130cp and 8139too |
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| 04:02.17 | ansong | does /etc/network/interfaces have an entry for it? |
| 04:02.35 | Dome | wait |
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| 04:02.59 | Dome | i'll check that in a minute - i'm right now trying it with a kubuntu-live-cd |
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| 04:03.23 | ansong | i will say that for some reason i've had to add a 3com nic to a system to get it installed. once the kernel was updated the realtek chip started working |
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| 04:05.06 | Dome | what do I have to look for |
| 04:05.35 | ansong | are you in the livecd? |
| 04:05.38 | Dome | no |
| 04:05.41 | Dome | i aborted that |
| 04:05.56 | Dome | i'm in my installed debian system |
| 04:05.59 | ansong | check the interfaces file for an eth0. |
| 04:06.06 | Dome | there is |
| 04:06.08 | Dome | an entry |
| 04:06.16 | Dome | iface eth0 inet static |
| 04:06.22 | ansong | does ifconfig eth0 show up? |
| 04:06.22 | Dome | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 04:06.28 | Dome | it doesn't |
| 04:06.36 | ansong | does anything... |
| 04:06.43 | Dome | lo |
| 04:06.44 | Dome | does |
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| 04:07.03 | ansong | what about "ifup eth0"? |
| 04:07.12 | Dome | if i manually set up an ip address using ifconfig it says |
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| 04:07.36 | Dome | eth0: EROR while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 04:08.14 | Dome | same thing with ifup |
| 04:08.33 | Dome | but several times. then "Failed to brin up eth0" |
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| 04:09.24 | ansong | run dmesg | grep eth |
| 04:09.25 | Dome | if i boot my Debian NetINST CD it asks me to install a driver for the network card manually |
| 04:09.40 | ansong | see if some other module has got hold of eth0 |
| 04:09.56 | Dome | two lines come up |
| 04:09.58 | ansong | maybe ieee1394 |
| 04:10.23 | Dome | eth0. RealTek RTL8139 at 0*9400, <mac addr>. IRQ 169 |
| 04:10.28 | Dome | and |
| 04:10.49 | Dome | eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C' |
| 04:11.19 | Dome | sorry for my mistakes, but i have no possibility to copy & paste |
| 04:11.48 | ansong | that looks fine |
| 04:12.07 | ansong | try the livecd |
| 04:12.10 | Dome | i did |
| 04:12.15 | ansong | same problem? |
| 04:12.16 | Dome | no |
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| 04:12.22 | Dome | it worked |
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| 04:13.55 | Dome | maybe this could be interesting: i had problems setting up an inet connection the whole evening using my onboard NIC. now i found an external PCI nic and attached it. |
| 04:14.08 | Dome | i disabled the onboard device! |
| 04:14.24 | Dome | now thats the problem |
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| 04:15.21 | capmostarda | Hello folks! Is there any bug in MySQL 5 for Debian package? |
| 04:15.22 | ansong | glad you found it |
| 04:15.24 | JohnMM | where's the debian bot? |
| 04:15.30 | capmostarda | I'm having problems to uninstall and reinstall... |
| 04:15.56 | JohnMM | !t |
| 04:15.56 | dpkg | somebody said t was usually time or a suffix indicating "type", or true |
| 04:16.06 | JohnMM | oh there we are |
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| 04:16.35 | Dome | hm |
| 04:16.38 | Dome | any ideas |
| 04:16.38 | Dome | ? |
| 04:17.12 | valdyn | !tell capmostarda -about ask |
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| 04:18.01 | JohnMM | !sex |
| 04:18.01 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
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| 04:18.32 | enouf | the whole network is flooded with morons after that netsplit, wtf? |
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| 04:19.47 | [BT]JaC | alright, i accidentally removed apt-get how do i re-install it ? |
| 04:20.02 | Penix | [BT]JaC: how and why? |
| 04:20.07 | capmostarda | apt-get does'nt uninstall the whole mysql. What do I do? |
| 04:20.14 | [BT]JaC | apt-get remove libstdc++6 |
| 04:20.17 | [BT]JaC | did that |
| 04:20.20 | [BT]JaC | and it removed apt |
| 04:20.51 | Penix | [BT]JaC: and you typed 'Yes, do it, I'm a moron' and specifcally told it to, right? |
| 04:20.56 | Penix | like you have to |
| 04:20.57 | Penix | sniffs |
| 04:21.02 | [BT]JaC | yes i did |
| 04:21.09 | [BT]JaC | i did not think it would remove apt |
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| 04:21.17 | Penix | how could you think that? |
| 04:21.21 | Penix | you read the warning and did it anyway |
| 04:21.31 | [BT]JaC | how can i fix it? |
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| 04:21.50 | sefyroth | Hi guys, I'm trying to install and run apache2 here and whatever I do, it doesn't seem to listen. But as far as I know, there no error appearing anywhere. |
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| 04:22.03 | Penix | [BT]JaC: well, removing libstdc++6 would've removed a hell of a lot more than just apt |
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| 04:22.11 | Penix | you wouldn't want to be dwelling under a bridge |
| 04:22.12 | [BT]JaC | yeah it did |
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| 04:23.00 | [BT]JaC | where can i find the latest apt*.deb file? |
| 04:23.09 | Penix | packages.debian.org |
| 04:23.19 | Penix | or possibly /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:23.37 | Supaplex | on teh internautwtz |
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| 04:28.54 | [BT]JaC | is libstdc++6 not available for AMD64? |
| 04:29.19 | valdyn | [BT]JaC: how did could you possibly have removed it if it wasnt available? |
| 04:29.36 | [BT]JaC | i mean |
| 04:29.40 | haole | im having troubles with adobe flash player under debian... is the package libflash-mozplugin enough to be able to view flash animations under mozilla based browsers? |
| 04:29.46 | [BT]JaC | libc6 sorry |
| 04:30.09 | valdyn | [BT]JaC: dont tell me you managed to remove libc6 too |
| 04:30.22 | [BT]JaC | nope i didnt |
| 04:30.24 | [BT]JaC | but |
| 04:30.30 | [BT]JaC | now libstdc++6 is installed |
| 04:30.37 | [BT]JaC | but i still get this error: |
| 04:30.45 | [BT]JaC | ./samp022svr: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 04:31.32 | [BT]JaC | yet its in /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 04:31.36 | [BT]JaC | :/ |
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| 04:34.03 | Dome | the problem is that my NIC can't be "found" neither in debian nor in the NetInst Installation |
| 04:34.08 | Dome | who can help? |
| 04:34.13 | Dome | maybe this could be interesting: i had problems setting up an inet connection the whole evening using my onboard NIC. now i found an external PCI nic and attached it. |
| 04:34.40 | Penix | Dome: what sort of chip? is the driver loaded? |
| 04:34.45 | Penix | Dome: have you tried loading it? |
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| 04:35.12 | Penix | Dome: does it show up in lspci? |
| 04:35.29 | Dome | 8139 |
| 04:35.34 | Dome | lspci is not installes |
| 04:35.37 | Dome | installed |
| 04:35.45 | Penix | why not? |
| 04:36.00 | haole | im having troubles with adobe flash player under debian... is the package libflash-mozplugin enough to be able to view flash animations under mozilla based browsers? |
| 04:36.04 | Dome | because i have the netinst cd and no connection to the internet.... |
| 04:36.28 | Dome | ifconfig doesn't show me eth0 |
| 04:36.31 | [BT]JaC | now libstdc++6 is installed |
| 04:36.33 | xuser | How can I install a local package? |
| 04:36.33 | [BT]JaC | but i still get this error: |
| 04:36.34 | [BT]JaC | ./samp022svr: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:36.40 | [BT]JaC | any ideas? |
| 04:36.42 | Dome | and ifup eth0 doesn't work |
| 04:36.44 | Penix | Dome: you said it doesn't work in a working debian install either |
| 04:37.05 | Dome | well |
| 04:37.13 | Dome | i have a very basic system |
| 04:37.23 | Dome | but i am right now reinstalling it |
| 04:37.24 | Penix | lspci is in pciutils |
| 04:37.27 | Penix | you should have that |
| 04:37.31 | Dome | i dont |
| 04:37.43 | Dome | but i dont think lspci is too important |
| 04:37.44 | nevyn | Dome: does ifconfig -a show eth0? |
| 04:37.51 | Dome | no |
| 04:37.56 | Dome | it doesn't |
| 04:37.59 | Penix | Dome: it is if you want to determine what sort of card/chip you've got |
| 04:38.04 | nevyn | you don't have the driver for the network card installed |
| 04:38.08 | Penix | Dome: at this point no one else knows |
| 04:38.08 | Dome | i know that |
| 04:38.11 | Dome | realtek 8139 |
| 04:38.13 | nevyn | you can use the deprecated cat /proc/pci |
| 04:38.16 | nevyn | to find it. |
| 04:38.31 | nevyn | modprobe rtl_8139too |
| 04:39.26 | Dome | i hate it....f***in 8 hrs now and i don't get it working |
| 04:39.36 | nevyn | modprobe 8139too |
| 04:39.44 | Dome | yes i did that |
| 04:39.47 | Dome | several times |
| 04:39.50 | Penix | Dome: what does it do then? |
| 04:39.52 | Dome | no effect |
| 04:39.59 | nevyn | what's dmesg say |
| 04:40.21 | Penix | Dome: there should be something logged related to you trying to load the driver |
| 04:40.28 | Dome | "eth0. RealTek RTL8139 at 0*9400, <mac addr>. IRQ 169" and "eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C'" |
| 04:40.36 | nevyn | ok so it's there |
| 04:40.43 | nevyn | so if you run ifconfig -a eth0 |
| 04:40.45 | Penix | Dome: now bring the interface up and give it an IP |
| 04:40.49 | cheekee | I have upgraded to Lenny from Etch...it seems everything is working welll except I can't see some of my apps now when I click on the applications menu. What can I do to restore the old menu features? |
| 04:40.49 | nevyn | what's that say? |
| 04:40.52 | Dome | it says |
| 04:41.06 | Dome | eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 04:41.12 | Penix | cheekee: some of your apps that are still installed? |
| 04:41.50 | Penix | cheekee: if you're talking about gnome, right click the applications menu and select 'Edit menu'. their menu entires might've just been disabled for some reason |
| 04:42.00 | Penix | s/entires/entries/ |
| 04:42.06 | nevyn | cheekee: make sure you have menu installed |
| 04:42.26 | Dome | so: and ideas |
| 04:42.28 | Dome | ? |
| 04:43.02 | nevyn | Dome: is there anything in dmesg regarding eth0 other than the initial driver load? |
| 04:43.12 | Dome | no |
| 04:43.23 | Dome | only these 2 lines |
| 04:43.42 | cheekee | aha! thanks . The debian icon was unchecked. |
| 04:44.34 | Dome | it is very very strange! |
| 04:44.51 | Dome | i am right now re-installing debian |
| 04:45.01 | Dome | but again: without the network mirrors |
| 04:45.40 | Dome | at least the installer didn't ask me to install a driver from floppy disk |
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| 04:47.23 | Dome | i see: no ideas neither |
| 04:47.28 | Dome | thank you anyway |
| 04:48.59 | Dome | it's a pity |
| 04:50.39 | Dome | nevyn: no ideas left? |
| 04:50.48 | nevyn | Dome: not really. |
| 04:51.02 | Dome | my onboard nic seemed to be f***ed up |
| 04:51.06 | nevyn | other than it's a bug in ifconfig, your particular card firmware or such |
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| 04:51.34 | nevyn | it does have a mac right? |
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| 04:51.57 | nevyn | like where youve got <mac addr> that is a valid MAC... |
| 04:52.20 | Dome | it does |
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| 04:53.56 | Dome | so |
| 04:53.58 | Dome | let's see |
| 04:54.06 | Dome | if a reinstallation makes it better |
| 04:54.53 | Dome | oh |
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| 04:55.09 | Dome | now ifconfig shows a eth0 |
| 04:55.10 | Dome | ok |
| 04:56.08 | Dome | ok pingig seems to work |
| 04:56.26 | Dome | but i have MASSIVE packet loss if I ping a local PC |
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| 05:00.17 | Penix | get a new card |
| 05:01.07 | Dome | uhm |
| 05:01.11 | Dome | it is new |
| 05:01.34 | Dome | it is from another PC in my network and it is working very fine there |
| 05:03.43 | Penix | conflicting IRQ's perhaps? tried it in a different slot? |
| 05:04.16 | Dome | yes |
| 05:05.03 | Dome | exactly the same symptoms as with my onboard device |
| 05:05.30 | intr80_ | conflicting IRQs?? hah |
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| 05:07.31 | _Rubyxx | Nick cheekee |
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| 05:09.12 | Dome | how do i check that Penix |
| 05:09.48 | jetscreamer | doesn't say 'so you want to check a Penix' |
| 05:10.00 | jetscreamer | punctuation |
| 05:10.04 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
| 05:10.20 | Supaplex | get your own Penix. geeze. |
| 05:10.28 | Dome | how do i check that, Penix |
| 05:10.30 | jetscreamer | well as long as you're bored and yawning |
| 05:10.34 | cheekee | I have just upgraded to lenny. The only problem I have left is a "HAL failed to initialize" error message. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 05:11.10 | jetscreamer | why didn't the install image that goodbye windows.com downloaded for me, work for me, three days ago |
| 05:11.25 | jetscreamer | the site worked great and so did the windows portion |
| 05:11.41 | jetscreamer | but in the installer, borkage |
| 05:11.57 | jetscreamer | ask joeyh eh |
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| 05:12.22 | pleaseandthankyo | why is windows so poorly made? |
| 05:12.40 | jetscreamer | who lied to you and said it was |
| 05:12.46 | jetscreamer | it works just fine |
| 05:13.01 | jetscreamer | blame the admin |
| 05:13.09 | RogerWard | canada |
| 05:13.57 | jetscreamer | cheekee: if you chose a -486 kernel that might be it, not sure though. i just know udev wants a -686 or -k7 |
| 05:13.59 | pleaseandthankyo | no it harrasses it' susers if yo ulook closely |
| 05:13.59 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: goodbye-windows.com fetches an image from netboot daily builds. try expert mode to see the urls |
| 05:14.34 | jetscreamer | Supaplex: yeah it was the daily that borked, not the rest |
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| 05:17.17 | cheekee | jetscreamer: my kernel version is 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 05:17.29 | jetscreamer | ok then that's not it |
| 05:17.50 | jetscreamer | pleaseandthankyo: well i guess one would have to learn to not let it |
| 05:17.52 | Supaplex | cheekee: dpkg -l hal | grep hal |
| 05:18.32 | Dome | i see |
| 05:18.37 | Dome | NObody has an idea |
| 05:18.42 | Dome | how my problem can be solved |
| 05:18.58 | Supaplex | Dome: what hardware is conflicting? |
| 05:19.43 | Dome | my nic does not do what i want it to do |
| 05:19.48 | cheekee | Supaplex: ii hal 0.5.10+git20080301-1 - was the output |
| 05:20.41 | Supaplex | Dome: what other hardware is it conflicting with? what resources are involved? what nic is this? |
| 05:20.54 | Dome | no other hardware is conflicting with it |
| 05:21.02 | Dome | or at least i dont think so |
| 05:21.21 | Supaplex | cheekee: humm and old resolved bug was similar #447860. try the troubleshooting steps in there to see what else you can learn. |
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| 05:21.28 | Supaplex | Dome: what driver is it using? |
| 05:21.43 | Dome | 8139too |
| 05:21.45 | Supaplex | try lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 05:21.56 | Dome | i don't have lspci |
| 05:21.56 | Supaplex | ahh okay. realtek. |
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| 05:23.19 | Supaplex | Dome: try the 8139cp driver (unload 8139too first). if 8139cp doesn't load, that nic is not a reliable nic to start with |
| 05:23.32 | Supaplex | !tell Dome -about msg |
| 05:24.12 | jetscreamer | all my nics that used 8139too died |
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| 05:24.29 | jetscreamer | how can you not have lspci |
| 05:24.36 | Dome | its a miimal system |
| 05:24.38 | jetscreamer | i thought it was standard or something |
| 05:24.40 | Supaplex | RealTek RTL-8139C+ series cards are more reliable imo than RTL-8139 cards. |
| 05:24.50 | Supaplex | !+info lspci etch |
| 05:24.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:24.53 | dpkg | Package 'lspci' does not exist. |
| 05:25.00 | Supaplex | psutils? |
| 05:25.00 | jetscreamer | it's in a package |
| 05:25.05 | billybob | apt-get install lspci ! |
| 05:25.08 | jetscreamer | pciutils maybe i forget |
| 05:25.12 | haole | lspci is only available as root by default |
| 05:25.17 | Supaplex | pciutils |
| 05:25.21 | RogerWard | !+info lspci etch |
| 05:25.23 | dpkg | Package 'lspci' does not exist. |
| 05:25.23 | billybob | nods |
| 05:25.28 | RogerWard | !+info pciutils etch |
| 05:25.28 | Supaplex | no, lspci can be run aby anyone |
| 05:25.32 | pleaseandthankyo | jetscreamer how can i learn windows to not let it? |
| 05:25.32 | dpkg | pciutils: (Linux PCI Utilities), section admin, is standard. Version: 1:2.2.4~pre4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 201 kB, Installed size: 664 kB |
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| 05:25.44 | billybob | apt-cache search lspci would turn up the answer though. |
| 05:25.50 | haole | Supaplex, in my default debian installation, only root has the PATH poiting to lspci |
| 05:25.55 | Supaplex | so does apt-file search bin/lspci |
| 05:25.57 | billybob | knows becasue hes run into that situation |
| 05:26.09 | Supaplex | supaplex@li:~$ which lspci |
| 05:26.10 | Supaplex | /usr/bin/lspci |
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| 05:26.48 | jetscreamer | haole: there's a few like that, and also gdm likes to change the user's path also.. me i make my personal path 'just like root's' |
| 05:26.58 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys anybody knows of a channel for Visual Basic (not scripting) apps development? |
| 05:27.07 | Supaplex | _ZeuZ_: wtf? |
| 05:27.21 | jetscreamer | _ZeuZ_: you mean like ##vb.net ? |
| 05:27.28 | Dome | why don't u believe me |
| 05:27.30 | _ZeuZ_ | Supaplex: hehe... |
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| 05:27.33 | billybob | vb!=vb.net |
| 05:27.34 | Dome | i do not have the programm lspci |
| 05:27.44 | pleaseandthankyo | jetscreamer how can i learn windows to not let it? |
| 05:27.47 | billybob | and there are vb packages availible last i looked |
| 05:27.50 | _ZeuZ_ | Dome: Are you executing it as root? |
| 05:27.56 | Dome | i do |
| 05:27.58 | jetscreamer | pleaseandthankyo: years of being pissed off that it does |
| 05:28.15 | Supaplex | Dome: I don't need lspci. you misintepret the situation. we're debating amongst ourselevs here |
| 05:28.32 | Dome | ok |
| 05:28.40 | Dome | well |
| 05:28.43 | Supaplex | Dome: did you try 8139cp instead of 8139too? |
| 05:28.53 | Dome | how to unload 8139too? |
| 05:28.58 | jetscreamer | rmmod |
| 05:28.59 | Supaplex | modprobe -r 8139too |
| 05:29.04 | jetscreamer | either |
| 05:29.11 | Supaplex | !rmmod |
| 05:29.11 | dpkg | i guess rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
| 05:29.17 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 05:29.18 | Supaplex | tsk tsk jetscreamer :) |
| 05:29.25 | billybob | lmao |
| 05:29.28 | jetscreamer | somebody forgot the 'why' |
| 05:29.31 | _ZeuZ_ | vb.net == vb 6.0 ? |
| 05:29.34 | jetscreamer | !factinfo rmmod |
| 05:29.34 | dpkg | rmmod -- last modified at Mon Jun 12 18:32:24 2006 by valdyn!n=valdyn@cl-38.muc-02.de.sixxs.net; it has been requested 25 times, last by Supaplex, 23s ago. |
| 05:29.36 | billybob | no . . . |
| 05:29.36 | _ZeuZ_ | ##vb.net == vb 6.0 ? |
| 05:29.46 | billybob | vb.net is NOT vb, or vice versa |
| 05:29.47 | Dome | Supaplex: it says ACPI: PCI interrupt fpr device 0000:00:0a:0 disabled |
| 05:29.50 | Supaplex | more like vb* == OT |
| 05:29.59 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 05:30.01 | Supaplex | Dome: now modprobe 8139cp |
| 05:30.03 | _ZeuZ_ | billybob: I know, I forgot the double ## |
| 05:30.04 | jetscreamer | mono isn't ot though |
| 05:30.06 | _ZeuZ_ | I meant the channel |
| 05:30.18 | jetscreamer | well installing mono isn't |
| 05:30.26 | jetscreamer | ino interrupt |
| 05:30.28 | Dome | ok |
| 05:30.34 | jetscreamer | got apic? |
| 05:30.39 | Dome | now even less works |
| 05:30.41 | billybob | no idea if anyoine i ##vb.net knows vb |
| 05:30.51 | Supaplex | Dome: did it load? |
| 05:30.55 | Dome | eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 05:30.56 | _ZeuZ_ | I need some channel where to ask a VB question... |
| 05:30.57 | billybob | vb.net is actualy a semi usefull language ; ) |
| 05:30.58 | _ZeuZ_ | !vb |
| 05:30.58 | dpkg | somebody said vb was Visual Basic. This is a software product developed by Microsoft. Its purpose is to bring programming down to a drag-and-drop level to speed up development cycles. In many ways, that goal has been achieved. VB's main competitor is Borland's Delphi. Both programs offer similar functionality. The actual code for the program is BASIC and you can go in and edit the nitty-gritty if you want to. or visual bullshit or evil, or a good beer |
| 05:31.08 | Dome | Supaplex: i don't know |
| 05:31.10 | Supaplex | ahh. your device isn't modern enough for that driver. |
| 05:31.19 | Supaplex | just to be sure, ifconfig eth0 |
| 05:31.31 | Supaplex | yea, looks dismal |
| 05:31.38 | jetscreamer | he seems to have ran out of irq's |
| 05:31.39 | Supaplex | 'no such device' |
| 05:31.43 | billybob | ew comparing delphi to vb ?! |
| 05:31.44 | jetscreamer | run |
| 05:31.47 | Dome | yes |
| 05:31.56 | Supaplex | it's not irq's. how did you ever come to such an idea? |
| 05:32.09 | jetscreamer | ACPI: PCI interrupt fpr device 0000:00:0a:0 disabled |
| 05:32.13 | jetscreamer | gee i don't know |
| 05:32.14 | Supaplex | my money is on "older" aka lousy realtek |
| 05:32.21 | Supaplex | that's not a conflict |
| 05:32.29 | Dome | Supaplex: ifconfig eth0 up brings the same: (eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device) |
| 05:32.38 | billybob | Supaplex: GbE lan diabled in the BIOS ? |
| 05:32.41 | Supaplex | the driver rightfully disabled interrupts so the kernel dun have to listen to it |
| 05:33.05 | Supaplex | Dome: modprobe -r 8139cp (ignore failures) and then modprobe 8139too |
| 05:33.13 | jetscreamer | wonders how it's going to interrupt the kernel then |
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| 05:33.28 | jetscreamer | but... |
| 05:33.28 | billybob | doesnt know |
| 05:33.28 | Dome | yes i did that |
| 05:33.42 | jetscreamer | Dome: you don't have another nic to try i take it |
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| 05:33.49 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: even if it cannot disable the interrupt, it'll ignore it - but it has to respond then release it every time it's signaled |
| 05:33.50 | Dome | Enabling device [etc. etc. etc.9] |
| 05:34.06 | Dome | jetscreamer: that's the second one i try!!! |
| 05:34.08 | Supaplex | it's called wasted cpu time :) |
| 05:34.25 | jetscreamer | Dome: just out of curiosity, what was the first? |
| 05:34.31 | Dome | my onboard one |
| 05:34.43 | jetscreamer | why did that one not work |
| 05:34.53 | Dome | EXACLTY the same symptoms |
| 05:34.58 | billybob | ... |
| 05:35.03 | Supaplex | !8139 |
| 05:35.03 | dpkg | it has been said that 8139 is A cheap Taiwanese chipset usually found in low-end cards. |
| 05:35.03 | billybob | smells user error |
| 05:35.15 | jetscreamer | what type is your onboard, Dome ? |
| 05:35.22 | Dome | a SiS 900 |
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| 05:35.30 | jetscreamer | sis 900 'just works' |
| 05:35.45 | Supaplex | then make his work :) |
| 05:35.48 | Supaplex | have fun! |
| 05:35.49 | jetscreamer | period, afaik in my exp ymmv |
| 05:35.50 | xsdg | where can I find how many dirty pages the VM has? |
| 05:35.56 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:36.17 | Supaplex | xsdg: check every one of them for pr0n? |
| 05:36.19 | jetscreamer | so since they both bork it's not the nic.. what could it be |
| 05:36.38 | xsdg | heh |
| 05:36.45 | Supaplex | well, if they're both 8139 pre C+ chipsets, I'm not suprised. |
| 05:36.50 | billybob | lsmod + look for conflicting drivers ? possible ? |
| 05:37.06 | jetscreamer | sis900 isn't 8139too |
| 05:37.08 | Supaplex | go ahead. google for how bad this chipset sucks. |
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| 05:37.15 | jetscreamer | no idea about the chipset |
| 05:37.20 | Supaplex | try /lastlog 8139too |
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| 05:37.38 | billybob | Supaplex: I own a board with a rtl8139 onboard 'NIC, works fine. |
| 05:37.44 | jetscreamer | hey i had two of the same nic that used the 8139... no argv here |
| 05:37.52 | jetscreamer | old nics |
| 05:37.55 | jetscreamer | older |
| 05:38.02 | billybob | I also much prfer my INtel Pro 1000 though |
| 05:38.05 | Supaplex | amazing. yes my 8139C+ all work fine to (but those are newer) |
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| 05:38.22 | Dome | the sis 900 can't be SO old |
| 05:38.33 | billybob | its . . .SIS . . . |
| 05:38.35 | Dome | the MoBo is about 4 yo |
| 05:38.38 | jetscreamer | it's a few years... but works great here |
| 05:38.38 | Supaplex | you know, installing pciutils can't hurt. |
| 05:38.48 | Supaplex | or even hwinfo |
| 05:38.51 | Dome | give me the source please |
| 05:38.58 | Penix | Dome: apt-get install pciutils |
| 05:39.10 | jetscreamer | Dome: so did you turn off the onboard in the bios? |
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| 05:39.22 | jetscreamer | Dome: what motherboard btw just for grins |
| 05:39.27 | Dome | jetscreamer: i did! |
| 05:39.34 | billybob | ... |
| 05:39.39 | Dome | asrock xxxxxx dunno exactly |
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| 05:39.45 | billybob | lol. |
| 05:39.46 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 05:40.00 | billybob | hides |
| 05:40.03 | Dome | apt-get install pciutils doesn't work |
| 05:40.13 | jetscreamer | he can't apt-get w/o a nic |
| 05:40.20 | billybob | apt-get install a new motherboard. |
| 05:40.20 | jetscreamer | hey that rhymes.. |
| 05:40.29 | Dome | packet is referenced |
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| 05:41.24 | cheekee | Supaplex: I am trying out the steps in #447860, but am stuck as I don't know how to remove the pidfile |
| 05:41.28 | Dome | come on...it can't be the hardware since it worked a 100% fine just 2 days ago when I had windows on it |
| 05:41.55 | Supaplex | hah nice that you wait until now to mention that |
| 05:42.05 | billybob | lol |
| 05:42.08 | jetscreamer | i keep wondering about the irqs myself... and if you have apic enabled. |
| 05:42.26 | billybob | how well does deb handle IRQ sharing |
| 05:42.40 | billybob | because im willing to bet his onboard NIC shares an IRQ with his onboard audio |
| 05:42.47 | Supaplex | install psutils and run procinfo |
| 05:42.52 | xsdg | billybob: err... that wouldn't be a debian issue |
| 05:43.11 | billybob | xsdg: would be if debian doesnt handle IRQ sharing well. |
| 05:43.13 | jetscreamer | my sound and my nic get along well together |
| 05:43.24 | jetscreamer | but that's all i know |
| 05:43.30 | cheekee | Supaplex: I also do not think this is the right bug for me as my HAL is not running so it can't be stopped....it is already stopped |
| 05:43.36 | xsdg | billybob: debian knows nothing about IRQs; that's the kernel's domain |
| 05:43.43 | Dome | billybob: my onboard nic is disabled at the moment |
| 05:43.51 | Supaplex | cheekee: right. the tshooting details give you some info tho, right? |
| 05:43.57 | billybob | jetscreamer: same, but differnt hardware implementations . . .ESPECIALLY Asrock .. . |
| 05:44.38 | Supaplex | Dome: what's the nic plugged into? |
| 05:44.44 | billybob | Dome: your new card can still share IRQs |
| 05:44.51 | Dome | ... |
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| 05:44.54 | Dome | a pci slot??? |
| 05:44.56 | Supaplex | hub? switch? dsl modem? |
| 05:45.00 | Dome | a ok |
| 05:45.01 | billybob | ... |
| 05:45.12 | Dome | a router |
| 05:45.31 | cheekee | Supaplex: yes, but its a bit advanced....I Hadn't heard of a pidfile b4, and can't locate it |
| 05:45.31 | Supaplex | so, card -> net cable -> router ? nothing else? |
| 05:45.38 | Dome | nono |
| 05:45.49 | Dome | it's a bit complicated |
| 05:45.53 | billybob | and hotplug detected nothing at install ? |
| 05:46.02 | Supaplex | cheekee: strace -Ffe open hal ... or etc. strace will cough it up. |
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| 05:46.37 | billybob | wally world ! |
| 05:46.40 | Supaplex | Caelum: cleanup on isle 4 |
| 05:46.44 | Dome | card->cable->router->fritzbox(DSL Modem and Router at once)->the universe |
| 05:46.54 | Caelum | heh |
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| 05:48.17 | cheekee | Supaplex: both commands were not found |
| 05:48.43 | billybob | so, im sort of remembering there being two or more differnt 8139 driver mods for debian, this is back in the sarge beta days, and as I recall one of them didnt work, and the other wouldnt load at install unless you forced the driver manually |
| 05:48.44 | jetscreamer | Dome: someday, find out if adding apic to the boot line helps |
| 05:49.05 | jetscreamer | actually 3 that i know of |
| 05:49.19 | Dome | yes |
| 05:49.32 | billybob | recompile !!!! |
| 05:49.35 | Dome | i started almost 9 hrs ago |
| 05:49.36 | billybob | shrugs |
| 05:49.38 | Dome | and now |
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| 05:49.44 | Supaplex | billybob: we tried that. his card doesn't support 8139cp - so I doubt's atleast a C+ series chipset |
| 05:49.47 | Dome | i finally give up |
| 05:49.49 | jetscreamer | the sis900 should 'just work' the driver is solid |
| 05:49.51 | Dome | 4 irc chans |
| 05:50.05 | Dome | thousands of google searches |
| 05:50.17 | Supaplex | Dome: I was going to isolate possible duplexing with some hardware util, but I forget the name of it |
| 05:50.23 | fotoflo | hmm, im trying to get bugzilla setup with apt-get, and it seems to be stuck on "Setting up bugzilla (2.20-1) ..." |
| 05:50.25 | jetscreamer | and the only error you have to share is the interrupt one right? |
| 05:50.52 | jetscreamer | error msg rather |
| 05:50.53 | Supaplex | I've seen switches autosense the wrong settings, and sometimes it's best to force them say 10mbit half duplex on both sides. |
| 05:51.19 | Dome | no, no |
| 05:51.39 | jetscreamer | wonders nono what |
| 05:51.42 | Speedism | hi, how would i add dns's to ips? |
| 05:51.49 | Supaplex | did we get the symptoms right? |
| 05:51.52 | Speedism | i have 6 ips and 6 dns, how do i link them to one another? |
| 05:52.04 | Dome | Supaplex: i think so |
| 05:52.07 | cafuego | Speedism: by running a DNS server that is autoritative for the IPs in question. |
| 05:52.10 | Supaplex | Speedism: you have six domain name systems? |
| 05:52.29 | Speedism | 6 domain name systems? |
| 05:52.32 | Speedism | what do you mean |
| 05:52.40 | Supaplex | what's 6 dns? |
| 05:52.42 | Supaplex | !dns |
| 05:52.47 | Speedism | virtual host |
| 05:52.48 | Penix | !lose Supaplex |
| 05:52.48 | dpkg | Supaplex: You Lose. |
| 05:52.53 | Supaplex | !wtf dns |
| 05:52.54 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what dns means... |
| 05:53.03 | Supaplex | cool. |
| 05:53.07 | billybob | lol |
| 05:53.10 | Supaplex | !+dns debian.org |
| 05:53.11 | billybob | that was funny. |
| 05:53.29 | Supaplex | !dns billybob.com |
| 05:53.43 | Supaplex | dpkg: dork! |
| 05:53.43 | jetscreamer | Dome: at the grub prompt, next time you boot, hit e, then highlight the kernel line, hit e again, and try adding the word apic to the line, then hit esc, then hit b. that's all i can think of. cept lapic :o |
| 05:53.43 | dpkg | A really mean troggle |
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| 05:54.28 | jetscreamer | or maybe apic is your problem. try noapic also. |
| 05:54.56 | jetscreamer | or no acpi |
| 05:55.05 | Penix | one word |
| 05:55.11 | jetscreamer | since it was acpi that gave you the msg |
| 05:55.15 | jetscreamer | err yeah |
| 05:55.17 | jetscreamer | noacpi |
| 05:55.23 | Supaplex | or nono apic anything but the apic </kidding> |
| 05:55.28 | Dome | jetscreamer: i did that |
| 05:55.39 | Dome | it is right now booting |
| 05:55.55 | Dome | (and dhclient doesn't receive anything) |
| 05:56.13 | Dome | ok system is booted and now jetscreamer |
| 05:56.35 | jetscreamer | also, in the spirit of whoever it was, try disabling your onboard sound just for grins |
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| 05:57.34 | arooni | what is the libc-dev package called? |
| 05:57.42 | se7en | somebody know if there is a way to make a install cd from a running system |
| 05:57.50 | Dome | ok |
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| 05:57.56 | Dome | jetscreamer: i'm in the bios now |
| 05:58.02 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 05:58.02 | Dome | i have several onboard devics |
| 05:58.06 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 05:58.14 | Penix | arooni: libc6-dev |
| 05:58.32 | Dome | FDC, Serial Port, nfrared, Parallel, Midi Port, Gameport, IDE, LAN, Audio, Model |
| 05:58.34 | Dome | modem |
| 05:58.38 | Supaplex | !info nictools-pci etch |
| 05:58.41 | dpkg | nictools-pci: (Diagnostic tools for many PCI ethernet cards), section net, is extra. Version: 1.3.8-1 (etch), Packaged size: 215 kB, Installed size: 628 kB |
| 05:58.55 | arooni | is there a acl-dev package? |
| 05:59.04 | Penix | arooni: apt-cache search libacl |
| 05:59.07 | pleaseandthankyo | ok installed xubuntu and and goubuntu on top of edubuntu where are they now? and how do i load them? |
| 05:59.17 | Supaplex | pleaseandthankyo: /topic |
| 05:59.26 | jetscreamer | well do you use your serial port? do you use your parallel port? do you use your infrared? |
| 05:59.32 | jetscreamer | pleaseandthankyo: #ubuntu |
| 05:59.39 | se7en | is there a tool to make your own live/installer cd |
| 05:59.49 | jetscreamer | !live cd |
| 05:59.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 05:59.54 | Supaplex | !tell se7en -about debian-live |
| 05:59.57 | jetscreamer | kind of, not official yet |
| 06:00.34 | cheekee | Supaplex: my /var/run/hal folder is empty. Is that relevant to HAL failing to initialize? |
| 06:00.51 | Supaplex | cheekee: no idea. I don't have gnome or hal (afaik) |
| 06:00.58 | Dome | i disabled everything now(onboard devices) -> no change |
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| 06:02.36 | jetscreamer | Supaplex: it's hard nowadays to not have hal you must do things first to not have it |
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| 06:03.13 | jetscreamer | Dome: did you add apic? then if that didn't work did you add noapic? then if that didn't work did you try noacpi |
| 06:03.25 | Dome | i'm done now |
| 06:03.34 | Dome | i don't know where u guys from |
| 06:03.46 | karsten | What's the tool that lets you interactively fetch stuff from POP accounts? |
| 06:03.47 | Dome | but i'm from germany and it's 7:00 am |
| 06:03.48 | Supaplex | oh I guess I do |
| 06:04.07 | jetscreamer | Dome: well good luck then |
| 06:04.08 | cheekee | 6am here |
| 06:04.12 | Supaplex | cheekee: my hal.pid is there |
| 06:04.18 | Dome | i don't need luck |
| 06:04.23 | Dome | i won't try anymore |
| 06:04.25 | Supaplex | Dome: it's 12:04am here |
| 06:04.28 | jetscreamer | luck wouldn't hurt though |
| 06:04.38 | Dome | that's right |
| 06:05.07 | Supaplex | Dome: sorry about your nic. if you were nearby, I might send you one on my dime. |
| 06:05.26 | cheekee | aha so does anyone how I can force the creation of a hal.pid file? |
| 06:05.27 | jetscreamer | s/nic/mb/ you mean :0 |
| 06:05.34 | Supaplex | noooo |
| 06:05.40 | Dome | i'll try and get yet another one tomorrow |
| 06:05.45 | Supaplex | cheekee: hal has to be running :) |
| 06:05.53 | Dome | but I do not have much hope left |
| 06:06.04 | jetscreamer | Dome: that sonofa' 'should' work |
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| 06:06.19 | cheekee | Supaplex: ;( |
| 06:06.30 | Dome | sonofa? |
| 06:06.36 | jetscreamer | son of a bitch |
| 06:06.40 | Dome | a |
| 06:06.41 | Dome | hehe |
| 06:06.58 | jetscreamer | hey dome |
| 06:07.05 | jetscreamer | does knoppix work? :o |
| 06:07.16 | Dome | i have a kubuntu livecd right here |
| 06:07.17 | jetscreamer | or ubuntu live cd? |
| 06:07.24 | jetscreamer | (gah, but hey it's a test) |
| 06:07.25 | Supaplex | you'd choose that over sid? |
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| 06:07.39 | jetscreamer | just for testing purposes |
| 06:07.46 | Supaplex | :facepalm: |
| 06:07.52 | jetscreamer | but yeah i'd pick what works over what doesn't if it came down to it |
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| 06:08.02 | jetscreamer | but it wouldn't thank god |
| 06:08.25 | Dome | i'll have a last try |
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| 06:08.28 | Dome | with kubuntu |
| 06:08.34 | Dome | the problem is |
| 06:08.40 | Dome | i dont have a mouse right here |
| 06:08.51 | Dome | well ok |
| 06:08.55 | jetscreamer | shift+numlock makes the keypad act as a mouse |
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| 06:09.02 | jetscreamer | i think it's shift, i always forget |
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| 06:09.19 | jetscreamer | you can add single to the boot line also |
| 06:09.21 | jetscreamer | and no gui |
| 06:09.30 | jetscreamer | on the kubuntu cd |
| 06:09.47 | Dome | or simply strg+alt+F1 for a console |
| 06:10.11 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 06:10.32 | Firefishe | I'm running Etch . I have a laptop with the Broadcom 4306 chipset for the wireless card. I'm having an issue where I'm using the "bcm43xx-fwcutter" package to extract the firmware blobs from the *.sys file winXX drivers. To get the card to work, I have to remove the package, then reinstall it, then re-extract the drivers. Is there a workaround for this? |
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| 06:12.18 | cheekee | Supaplex: just noticed something else. it may be irrelevant. the option to restart the pc is no longer available in the System menu. I only have the option to logout |
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| 06:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hi; do you by chance know, if any of the debian kernel include the sco flowcontrol patch (for bluetooth headsets)? even dpkg seems frightfully clueless about all this |
| 06:13.11 | billybob | Supaplex: friend of mine says to check /proc for IRQ errors, has Dome done that already ? |
| 06:14.27 | Dome | billybob: Supaplex; jetscreamer: now on my kubuntu-live-cd i have lspci |
| 06:14.34 | Dome | should i check sth now? |
| 06:14.39 | billybob | yes. |
| 06:14.59 | billybob | should have checked long ago ; ) |
| 06:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, seems ubuntu (possibly) has it in 2.6.20... but that's not so clearly written there either |
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| 06:15.43 | dome_ | hm |
| 06:15.45 | dome_ | what the heck |
| 06:16.01 | Dome_ | damn |
| 06:16.05 | Dome_ | disconnected |
| 06:16.12 | Dome_ | so what should i check exactly? |
| 06:16.13 | jetscreamer | cheekee: that can be a function of not using gdm if using gnome, or kdm if using kde. |
| 06:16.15 | Dome_ | lspci |
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| 06:17.02 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep iforgotwhattogrep |
| 06:17.12 | Dome_ | maybe ethernet |
| 06:17.19 | cheekee | aha! i installed kdm when installing kde a few days ago |
| 06:17.21 | jetscreamer | eth or nic or network |
| 06:17.32 | billybob | just run lspci and try to figureyour nic chi[ |
| 06:17.36 | Dome_ | yes |
| 06:17.39 | Dome_ | i have that line |
| 06:17.43 | Dome_ | nothing special: |
| 06:17.56 | jetscreamer | ah lspci |grep -i realtek |
| 06:18.02 | jetscreamer | or sis900 |
| 06:18.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems not :( I don't understand why this still hasn't found its way into plain vanilla kernels, either - it fixes kernel freezes and the patch has been around for 1-2 years now |
| 06:18.35 | Dome_ | 00:0a:0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd RTL-8139/8139C8139C+ (rev 10) |
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| 06:19.01 | Dome_ | 00:0a:0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 06:19.04 | jetscreamer | so it is a c |
| 06:19.09 | jetscreamer | yeah you said that |
| 06:19.17 | Dome_ | i added a slash :) |
| 06:19.52 | jetscreamer | so it works in this livecd |
| 06:19.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... from the silence I deduce nobody ever tried to use a bluetooth headset? |
| 06:19.57 | jetscreamer | right? |
| 06:20.00 | Dome_ | no |
| 06:20.02 | jetscreamer | not me CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:20.40 | jetscreamer | lsmod |grep 8139 |
| 06:20.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't blame you... I started doing it, because the microphone circuits of my laptop are kinda broken and I had no telephone, but internet |
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| 06:22.10 | Dome_ | nothing special...the same lines |
| 06:22.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what I DONT deserve, is that the only valuable-seeming information is in an ubuntu forum full of clueless newcomers and warez lovers :( |
| 06:22.30 | jetscreamer | does it say 8139too or the other one |
| 06:22.55 | Dome_ | both |
| 06:23.19 | jetscreamer | paste the output? |
| 06:23.22 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 06:23.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 06:23.30 | Dome_ | and then there is a third line: mii 6525 2 8139too, 8139cp |
| 06:23.40 | Dome_ | how to paste |
| 06:23.44 | jetscreamer | oi |
| 06:23.46 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 06:23.46 | Dome_ | it's another pc |
| 06:23.47 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 06:24.56 | Dome_ | i CAN ping this pc right here(in the LAN) - but with massive packet loss(~50%) |
| 06:25.31 | jim | something else on that lan has the same IP maybe |
| 06:25.35 | Obligatory | Are all software DVD players more sensitive to scratches that hardware players? |
| 06:25.43 | Obligatory | s/that/than/ |
| 06:26.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, thx for the consideration :) Seems really this hasn't moved much within a year |
| 06:26.02 | jim | not sure what a software dvd player is :) |
| 06:26.02 | Dome_ | no i tried several |
| 06:26.20 | jetscreamer | several ip's? |
| 06:26.24 | Dome_ | yes |
| 06:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim, you just program the computer to simulate a laser :-P |
| 06:26.43 | jim | and a motor, and a spindle and lotsa plastic!! |
| 06:26.43 | jetscreamer | he might have meant standalones vs computers |
| 06:26.53 | jim | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 06:26.58 | jim | could be :) |
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| 06:27.03 | Dome_ | ... |
| 06:27.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim, of course! but you can do the polymers of the plastic in a loop :) |
| 06:27.18 | jetscreamer | Dome: so that says you have ?1 modules loaded for that nic? |
| 06:27.24 | jetscreamer | err >1 |
| 06:27.26 | Obligatory | jim, ha ha. Well non-ROM players? PC players? Whadaya call it then? |
| 06:27.39 | Dome_ | pardon? |
| 06:27.50 | jim | pardons Dome_! |
| 06:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory, I think the difference would be in the hardware... multi-purpose DVD drives against whatever they put into those players (supposing it's something different than on a pc) |
| 06:28.12 | jetscreamer | oh. nm dome on that last |
| 06:28.21 | jim | Obligatory: see, it's all software players... |
| 06:28.33 | Obligatory | groan. |
| 06:29.02 | jetscreamer | Dome: if it was me, i'd take the realtek out and try the sis, because the problem is not either nic, imo. |
| 06:29.14 | jim | do you see what I mean? even the supposed harrdware players are actually running software |
| 06:29.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, night |
| 06:29.20 | jetscreamer | Dome: however, you said you were tired or something, and being frustrated while tired is bad |
| 06:29.30 | jetscreamer | when working on this crap |
| 06:29.43 | Obligatory | wouldn't non-ROM cover it? |
| 06:29.46 | Dome_ | yes |
| 06:29.51 | Dome_ | you're rigt |
| 06:29.57 | Dome_ | thanks a lot |
| 06:30.02 | Dome_ | and good nite ^^ |
| 06:30.05 | jim | Obligatory: maybe the software has more error detection, maybe it's "better" in some other way, |
| 06:30.24 | jim | Dome_: so what was the problem? |
| 06:30.26 | Obligatory | jim, the ROM software or the PC? |
| 06:30.36 | Dome_ | my inet won't work |
| 06:30.49 | Dome_ | or actually my whole network |
| 06:30.57 | jim | Dome: so, you need to find out why. |
| 06:31.17 | Dome_ | oh, really? ur kidding me... |
| 06:31.55 | jim | can you ping from a different machine? |
| 06:32.09 | Dome_ | i can |
| 06:32.15 | Dome_ | with massive packet loss |
| 06:32.25 | jim | ok, take your machine off the net for a moment... |
| 06:32.35 | Dome_ | i did that several times |
| 06:32.37 | jim | then try from another machine ping the gateway |
| 06:32.38 | jim | and? |
| 06:32.43 | Dome_ | no effect |
| 06:32.49 | Dome_ | i tried 2 nics |
| 06:32.51 | Dome_ | same thing |
| 06:33.06 | jim | so, the problem existed without your machine being even connected? |
| 06:33.09 | Dome_ | no information from dhcp server |
| 06:33.32 | Dome_ | no |
| 06:33.35 | Dome_ | it didn't |
| 06:33.54 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, do we know the hardware players have different hardware, or were you saying it was the "BIOS" on the hardware player? I hope/suspect it's in the ROMs... which would make it software. |
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| 06:34.06 | jim | so the net was OK when your machine was not connected? |
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| 06:34.35 | jim | let's make sure, by proposing a test case: |
| 06:34.57 | jim | we need three machines for this, one of which is the one you're trying to ping from |
| 06:35.22 | Obligatory | I guess another way of putting it is that a "lossy" player would be more usable on a scratched disk than a "try forever" player. Different design goals. |
| 06:35.27 | jim | can you do that? |
| 06:35.41 | jetscreamer | Dome_: jim is smart btw |
| 06:36.09 | jim | we want make net go! |
| 06:36.15 | Dome_ | i believe in that |
| 06:36.18 | jim | and talk purty too! |
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| 06:36.35 | Dome_ | but as you know i am tired |
| 06:36.44 | Dome_ | it is 7:40 am right now |
| 06:36.51 | Dome_ | and i didn't sleep a minute |
| 06:37.06 | Dome_ | but to answer oyur questions |
| 06:37.17 | Dome_ | the net is even ok, when the machine is connected |
| 06:37.28 | Dome_ | only the machine itself has problems |
| 06:37.32 | Dome_ | with the net |
| 06:37.45 | jim | so, if "the machine" is A, and you have two others B and C |
| 06:37.57 | Obligatory | I was just noticing 'mplayer' die on a little CRC DVD error, and such hardware/software questions came to mind. The hardware players just plows along, but the linux player gives better resolution. |
| 06:38.19 | Dome_ | yes |
| 06:38.20 | Dome_ | sir |
| 06:38.21 | jim | B pings C with no problem no matter if A has its cable plugged in and net is up or not? |
| 06:38.36 | Dome_ | that's right |
| 06:38.54 | jim | ok, from B can you find an open IP? |
| 06:39.16 | Dome_ | what do you mean by that? |
| 06:39.50 | jim | try pinging an IP you believe is (1) on your subnet and (2) not in use by another computer |
| 06:39.52 | Dome_ | both B and C have a fixed ip address, so does the router |
| 06:40.17 | jim | but A gets its address from? |
| 06:40.29 | Dome_ | it should get it from the dhcp server |
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| 06:40.38 | Dome_ | but that doesn't work at all |
| 06:40.57 | jim | it sounds like the dhcp server is not configured properly |
| 06:41.02 | Dome_ | i can only ping A if i set a fixed ip using ifconfig |
| 06:41.07 | jim | but that is a guess |
| 06:41.13 | Dome_ | it is |
| 06:41.23 | jim | we haven't determined for sure if that's the problem or not |
| 06:41.32 | Dome_ | i tried a laptop(let's call it.....D) |
| 06:41.34 | Dome_ | no problem |
| 06:41.48 | jim | aha, so you've ruled out an awful lot of stuff with that statement |
| 06:41.51 | Obligatory | Dome, you probably already checked this but just in case: are the ethernet cables known to be good? (assuming it's eth) |
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| 06:42.16 | jim | you've ruled out: the net card, the cable, the networking of the machine, the machine, the software ... |
| 06:42.19 | Dome_ | i tried 5 different cables |
| 06:42.26 | Obligatory | Not cables! |
| 06:42.48 | jim | yeah, he says: if you configure A with a static IP, it works |
| 06:42.56 | jim | Dome: is that right? |
| 06:43.00 | Dome_ | no |
| 06:43.27 | mosty | i have installed postgresql, postgresql-8.3 and postgresql-common in sid, but this did not create /etc/postgresql/ - what am i missing? |
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| 06:43.36 | Obligatory | OK, so are we now pretty sure it's not hardware, or is there still doubt? |
| 06:43.44 | jim | oic, you actually said: "<Dome_> i can only ping A if i set a fixed ip using ifconfig" |
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| 06:43.57 | Supaplex | I think we're playing with the OSI 7 layer burrito here. :) |
| 06:44.04 | Dome_ | if i didn't configure A with a static ip it wouldn't work at all. if i configure it with a static ip i can at least ping other pcs and open ssh connections and so on, but with MASSIVE packet loss |
| 06:44.22 | jim | ooh, is layers 1 thru 5 guacamole?! |
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| 06:44.31 | Supaplex | hahaa yummmmmmyyyy! |
| 06:44.47 | jetscreamer | dvd's have 3 diff fs's on them afaik, maybe the standalone falls back to iso9660 if the udf fs is borked |
| 06:45.25 | Dome_ | Obligatory: i really don't know if it's the hardware |
| 06:45.28 | jim | Dome_: ok, so if you get an address with the dhcp server, then what exactly? |
| 06:45.29 | Obligatory | To me, packet loss sounds hardware related, or resource related. |
| 06:45.41 | Dome_ | I don't get any |
| 06:45.41 | Supaplex | I have to take a prescreener test for juniper this week. so, I releared: please don't network these stupid people anymore. aka physical, data link, network, transport, session, presentation, application :) |
| 06:45.51 | jim | ohh, maybe he has iptables rules defined |
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| 06:46.01 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 06:46.07 | Supaplex | now there's a thought |
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| 06:46.10 | jetscreamer | fresh install i think |
| 06:46.15 | jetscreamer | and minimal |
| 06:46.16 | Dome_ | yes |
| 06:46.16 | Obligatory | Dome_, I missed the first part, are you trying to fix several machines on a network or just one finicky one? |
| 06:46.34 | Dome_ | only <<The One>> |
| 06:46.50 | Supaplex | !fix Dome's network |
| 06:46.50 | dpkg | takes Dome's network to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 06:46.51 | jim | is that (A) the only one that gets its addr using dhcp? |
| 06:47.03 | jetscreamer | so all the other machines talk to each other fine and get interweb fine |
| 06:47.11 | Dome_ | well |
| 06:47.19 | Dome_ | no |
| 06:47.22 | Supaplex | better question. what release of debian is on the box? :) |
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| 06:47.40 | Obligatory | Dome_, then if you can get the one to work with a bootcd, then you'd know your hardware was OK. I suggest PuppyLinux, it's easy to get going. |
| 06:47.47 | Dome_ | jetscreamer: this question can be answered with "yes" |
| 06:48.02 | jim | has this machine with this release of debian ever in any env had proper working networking? |
| 06:48.12 | Dome_ | Obligatory: I tried a Kubuntu Live CD - same symptoms |
| 06:48.17 | jetscreamer | (no) |
| 06:48.27 | jetscreamer | (windows works) |
| 06:48.36 | jim | driver issue? |
| 06:48.38 | Dome_ | worked |
| 06:48.59 | Dome_ | driver issue is possible: but i tried 2 nics. thame problems with either |
| 06:49.08 | Dome_ | same* |
| 06:49.08 | jim | has this machine worked with debian outside that net? |
| 06:49.34 | jetscreamer | (have you ever had debian installed on it and it worked) |
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| 06:49.53 | Dome_ | no |
| 06:50.01 | jetscreamer | i want to be a UN translator when i grow up |
| 06:50.03 | Obligatory | Dome_, I'd still try Puppy, it's not strictly Debian based and usually the networking "just works". (Nothing against Debian, it's just got so many features it can be harder to isolate a hardware problem) |
| 06:50.13 | jim | untranslator! |
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| 06:50.43 | jetscreamer | or a DGL translator... |
| 06:50.50 | jetscreamer | DgL |
| 06:51.15 | Obligatory | Dome_, if you're up to it: www.puppylinux.org/ |
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| 06:51.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 06:51.51 | Dome_ | maybe tomorrow |
| 06:52.00 | Dome_ | but jim, you see |
| 06:52.00 | Supaplex | correction, it is tomorrow |
| 06:52.06 | Dome_ | it's quite complicated |
| 06:52.10 | Obligatory | Good luck... |
| 06:52.19 | jetscreamer | [00.30.04] <Dome> Supaplex: it says ACPI: PCI interrupt fpr device 0000:00:0a:0 disabled |
| 06:52.21 | vyrus001 | is something broken in apt? |
| 06:52.29 | vyrus001 | some how i broke my apt setup |
| 06:52.35 | jetscreamer | that's the only real error msg i've seen him type i think |
| 06:52.52 | Dome_ | that's not really an error, i think |
| 06:53.24 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: well, I contest it's not an error. but anyway... (more like 'normal info') |
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| 06:53.32 | jim | it could mean it's polling instead of using interrupts |
| 06:53.33 | jetscreamer | i'm used to everything wanting an interupt |
| 06:53.40 | jetscreamer | i'm stodgy |
| 06:53.49 | jetscreamer | rr |
| 06:53.53 | jim | that;s dodgy! |
| 06:54.02 | jetscreamer | !dict stodgy |
| 06:54.04 | dpkg | Dictionary 'stodgy' (2): (used pejoratively) out of fashion; old fashioned; "moss-grown ideas about family life" ;; excessively conventional and unimaginative and hence dull; "why is the middle class so stodgy, so utterly without a sense of humor?"; "a stodgy dinner party" . |
| 06:54.07 | vyrus001 | when i run an apt-get -f install i get the fallowing... |
| 06:54.08 | vyrus001 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libdjvulibre21_3.5.20-5_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/djvu/osi/cs/messages.xml', which is also in package libdjvulibre15 |
| 06:54.08 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 06:54.29 | Supaplex | haha sweet. |
| 06:54.35 | jetscreamer | vyrus001: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libdjvulibre21_3.5.20-5_i386.deb |
| 06:54.46 | jim | finally dpkg shows its sentience |
| 06:55.03 | vyrus001 | jetscreamer: thnx :D |
| 06:55.10 | jetscreamer | vyrus001: and don't forget to --purge 15 |
| 06:55.16 | jetscreamer | libdjvublablah15 |
| 06:55.41 | Dome | finally is a good catchword: good nite and thank you very much! |
| 06:55.56 | Obligatory | vyrus001, FWIW that's a known bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471650 |
| 06:55.56 | Supaplex | !sleep |
| 06:55.56 | dpkg | methinks sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk* |
| 06:56.09 | Supaplex | man sleep is one long winded factoid. |
| 06:56.17 | scorche | looks at vyrus001 |
| 06:56.19 | Dome | i thought it would be easier. more like...plug and play! |
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| 06:56.33 | jim | that's plug n prey |
| 06:56.43 | jetscreamer | Dome: those 2 nics usually 'just work' for me |
| 06:56.49 | jetscreamer | err nic chipsets |
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| 06:57.11 | jetscreamer | Dome: how about a bios update |
| 06:57.38 | Dome | i wrote that down |
| 06:57.44 | Dome | :) |
| 06:57.51 | Dome | maybe later |
| 06:57.55 | Dome | ok cu guys |
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| 06:57.58 | Dome | thanx |
| 06:58.03 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 06:58.22 | jetscreamer | ok then |
| 06:58.30 | jim | if the machine works in windows, that does rule out hardware and point in the direction of drivers... |
| 06:58.38 | jetscreamer | so how do i check if my fully functional sis900 is using polling or interrupts |
| 06:59.26 | jetscreamer | how 'new' is polling |
| 06:59.38 | jetscreamer | this mb is 4 years old and was cheap to start with |
| 06:59.42 | jim | polling is older than interrupts |
| 06:59.46 | jetscreamer | o |
| 07:00.03 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 07:00.29 | jetscreamer | then he 'should' have an interrupt enabled for that? |
| 07:00.41 | jetscreamer | assigned |
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| 07:00.44 | Obligatory | jetscreamer, running 'modinfo sis900' as root shows now polling related options. |
| 07:00.50 | Obligatory | s/now/no/ |
| 07:00.52 | jim | there were once machines that didn't have stacks and interrupts and func calls |
| 07:01.14 | jetscreamer | s/old/ancient/ ? |
| 07:01.21 | jim | yep, ancient |
| 07:01.30 | jim | I'm imagining big iron |
| 07:01.32 | Supaplex | hey, even a door bell has an interrupt |
| 07:01.39 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 07:02.03 | jim | a doorbell is an interrupt stimulus :) |
| 07:02.11 | Supaplex | yes :) |
| 07:02.49 | jim | so I really mean interrupt service routines |
| 07:03.01 | Obligatory | Less general non-ROM linux dvd player question: are some players more fault tolerant? Favorites? |
| 07:03.02 | Supaplex | and if you're bored, time to add that to a QDB :) |
| 07:04.06 | jetscreamer | Obligatory: i would imagine there is a 'retry=x' setting somewhere, but it could be hardcoded (gah) for all i know |
| 07:04.21 | jetscreamer | dd has such a one |
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| 07:04.53 | Obligatory | Jetscreamer, sure, sometimes it helps to play with 'hdparm' and reduce the readahead. |
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| 07:05.06 | jetscreamer | and then there's the multiple fs's on the dvd |
| 07:05.55 | Obligatory | So you're saying the hardware reader treats the FS's differently? |
| 07:05.58 | jetscreamer | isobuster uses info from all 3 to extract the data, sometimes you get lucky |
| 07:06.09 | jetscreamer | i'm saying maybe it tries harder |
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| 07:06.54 | nate4096 | Is /root required to be world-readable, writeable, and/or executable? |
| 07:06.56 | Obligatory | Trying too hard may define the problem of real time disc reading. |
| 07:07.17 | jetscreamer | nate4096: not world anything |
| 07:07.36 | jetscreamer | it can be |
| 07:07.37 | liable | its world readable innit? |
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| 07:08.04 | Obligatory | nate4096, my /root is 'drwx------' |
| 07:09.07 | nate4096 | Crist, what'd I do... add an extra period? I was in /root, did a `chmod g=,o= .`; and now suddenly my entire server seems locked down. Can't ssh in (cannot chdir() to /home/user, or exec /bin/bash). I must of added a period... :'(. |
| 07:09.51 | liable | mines 755 (the dir) |
| 07:09.51 | nate4096 | figures data centre won't be able to use their backdoor ssh either... they'll have to physically access the server. :p |
| 07:10.28 | simonrvn | "with great power comes great responsibility" |
| 07:10.47 | liable | and great ability to break shit |
| 07:10.49 | liable | ;) |
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| 07:11.11 | nate4096 | The ability to break shit can be overpowering sometimes. |
| 07:11.14 | Obligatory | liable, 755 seems inadvisable. |
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| 07:11.37 | tengulre | I want got the count of paramets in 'ps auwx|grep java| tail -n1 | awk '{print $cccc}', $what can get counter of this line? |
| 07:11.41 | liable | Obligatory: thats what mine is by default. |
| 07:11.42 | nate4096 | As in possibly doing something like chmod 700 /. I imagine that's what I've done. |
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| 07:13.09 | Obligatory | liable just to make sure we're talking about the same thing, could you run: ls -log / | grep root | while read x y ; do echo $x ; done |
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| 07:13.50 | liable | 755 |
| 07:14.06 | Obligatory | Default Debian install? |
| 07:14.15 | liable | on two boxes, yes. |
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| 07:14.31 | liable | and i dont generally fuck with perms |
| 07:14.51 | liable | and also on a sid chroot i have |
| 07:14.52 | Obligatory | Q: Anybody else here have a 755 /root? |
| 07:14.58 | nate4096 | You're not fucking with perms until they fuck you over. :) |
| 07:15.42 | liable | Obligatory: why, whats yours? |
| 07:16.18 | Supaplex | I'll show you yours if you .. hah PSYCHE! hahahaa |
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| 07:16.37 | Obligatory | See previous 'drwx------'. |
| 07:16.46 | Supaplex | I usually chmod og= /root when I first install. |
| 07:17.17 | nate4096 | Is it even possible to chmod /? |
| 07:17.32 | nate4096 | Trying to be as detailed in my support request as I can. |
| 07:18.04 | Supaplex | !noob chant |
| 07:18.04 | dpkg | who let the noobs out? who - who - who - who - who who? |
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| 07:18.17 | nate4096 | haha. |
| 07:18.18 | Supaplex | yes it's possible to chmod / if you're root. |
| 07:18.22 | frankman_ | aptitude upgrade -t experimental .... will it finally break my box ;) |
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| 07:18.59 | Obligatory | liable, do you man '/' or /root/'? |
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| 07:19.23 | nate4096 | That must be what I did then. Supaplex: I take it that's at least recoverable via root at physical terminal? (As literally everything is coming up as permission not denied). |
| 07:19.26 | liable | Obligatory: drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 2008-03-26 06:39 root |
| 07:19.30 | nate4096 | s/not// |
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| 07:20.00 | Supaplex | nate4096: chmod 0755 / ; chown root.root / |
| 07:20.20 | liable | Obligatory: i suspect its yours thats non default. |
| 07:20.30 | simonrvn | s,.,:, |
| 07:21.03 | Supaplex | li:~# chown root.root / |
| 07:21.03 | Supaplex | li:~# echo $? |
| 07:21.03 | Supaplex | 0 |
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| 07:21.14 | Supaplex | works fine here. :) |
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| 07:23.01 | cheekee | I can use my epiphany browser in KDE but not in Gnome. How can I change this around? |
| 07:23.40 | cheekee | Supaplex: my HAL problem was fixed after rebooting |
| 07:23.49 | Supaplex | cheekee: ouuu neat. |
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| 07:25.33 | fotoflo | hey all, im having trouble getting bugzilla installed with apt-get, can anyone help? |
| 07:26.19 | Supaplex | fotoflo: how many mindreading attempts to we get? |
| 07:26.30 | Supaplex | oh wait, I flunked that class. I give up. |
| 07:26.39 | Supaplex | !tell fotoflo -about ask |
| 07:27.25 | fotoflo | when i use aptget to install, it just stops at "setting up bugzilla (2.20-1) ..." |
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| 07:27.55 | fotoflo | i went to lunch and came back and nothing had changed |
| 07:28.25 | nate4096 | Hrm, is /tmp the only root directory that needs permissions greater than 755 (which needs 1777)? |
| 07:28.52 | nate4096 | thinks 'nvm, I have access to another linux box I can check on'. |
| 07:29.28 | Supaplex | fotoflo: someone else had the same problem 2y5d ago. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=358196 |
| 07:30.06 | jetscreamer | /home? |
| 07:30.13 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 07:32.11 | lobak | is it possible to use command 'cp' and it will tells u the status of percentage for copying? |
| 07:33.04 | cafuego | not without editing the source |
| 07:33.08 | nate4096 | lobak: It's called windows. |
| 07:33.11 | fotoflo | Supaplex: i dont think thats it |
| 07:33.17 | cafuego | lobak: but 'rsync' will |
| 07:33.20 | Guerin | lobak: you can use rsync if you wan that |
| 07:33.27 | Supaplex | fotoflo: why not? |
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| 07:33.50 | stew | or dd, if you send it SIGUSR1 |
| 07:34.22 | lobak | i dont think it is windows.. i mean..like wget, it will tell the transfer rate, the percentage of downloading |
| 07:34.29 | fotoflo | well, theres no solution on that page |
| 07:34.29 | cafuego | people who use dd instead of cp are sick of life |
| 07:34.34 | jetscreamer | rsync would only tell you the status of each file i thought i saw somebody say |
| 07:34.40 | jetscreamer | no overview |
| 07:34.54 | jetscreamer | -d ? |
| 07:35.02 | jetscreamer | has no idea |
| 07:35.12 | Supaplex | rsync has -vP |
| 07:35.13 | cafuego | jetscreamer: lies |
| 07:35.36 | jetscreamer | hey i was just lurking, never used rsync in my life |
| 07:35.41 | nate4096 | sends his support request to his dedicated server staff. |
| 07:36.01 | nate4096 | Kind of hard to sound competent when you're telling them you think you just chmod 700 /; your system. Lmao. |
| 07:36.01 | cafuego | jetscreamer: What!? Why did they even let you in here? |
| 07:36.05 | sepski | jetscreamer, seriously ? |
| 07:36.09 | nate4096 | goes off in search of 3:30am coffee. |
| 07:36.09 | lobak | do u mean that i combine command cp with rsync?or just use rsync?because i didnt see any man for rsync |
| 07:36.21 | jetscreamer | i get in because i look good |
| 07:36.24 | Guerin | !installit |
| 07:36.24 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 07:36.40 | jetscreamer | no i'm not kidding, never needed to rsync |
| 07:36.43 | Supaplex | rsync > cp |
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| 07:37.07 | sepski | jetscreamer, try it it's groooovy :) |
| 07:37.14 | cafuego | revokes jetscreamers credentials and puts the chair up for lease |
| 07:37.27 | jetscreamer | rsync's the chair |
| 07:37.40 | cafuego | get those cooties off there |
| 07:38.10 | jetscreamer | i guess i could try it next time i clone an installation |
| 07:38.42 | jetscreamer | but... that sounds dumb |
| 07:38.45 | Supaplex | rsync's jetscreamer every 10 minutes with --link-dest set |
| 07:38.47 | billybob | hey, is that Chair Windows Vista Certified ? |
| 07:38.47 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 07:38.54 | jetscreamer | it wasn't |
| 07:38.58 | jetscreamer | it could be |
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| 07:39.28 | jetscreamer | i just got my free vista ultimate from microsoft but haven't installed it |
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| 07:39.39 | jetscreamer | free as in beer |
| 07:39.48 | billybob | ive just bee bitching at a MS employee for the last hour about how his company 'sticks it' to the little guy |
| 07:40.15 | sep | billybob, you realy think he can do anything about that ? sounds like a waste of time. |
| 07:40.16 | nate4096 | The monetary cost may be free, but every other kind of cost is high. |
| 07:40.23 | billybob | friend of mine from IRC went to work for them |
| 07:40.26 | Supaplex | saws billy down at the knee caps |
| 07:40.32 | billybob | sep: never know . . |
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| 07:40.59 | nate4096 | Knee cap sawing? Sounds... kinky. |
| 07:41.05 | billybob | lol |
| 07:41.32 | sep | billybob, dont think they are allowed on the board without propper screening, any signed of morals or scruples and your not allowed on the board |
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| 07:41.39 | Supaplex | don't knock it. it's a step up from gnawing. |
| 07:41.41 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 07:41.51 | jetscreamer | that's like any board though, isn't it? |
| 07:41.53 | arooni | how can i get: rdiff-backup-statistics .......... doesnt seem to be found when does cron.daily get run? |
| 07:41.55 | arooni | sorry |
| 07:41.55 | billybob | sep: he an ex ubuntu dev, probably 'screening' enough lol |
| 07:41.57 | arooni | just one q: when does cron.daily get run? |
| 07:42.10 | Supaplex | every day! |
| 07:42.13 | jetscreamer | doesn't say daily |
| 07:42.17 | Obligatory | lobak, this'll give a percent/progress: buffer -S 1m < sourcefile > targetfile |
| 07:42.19 | billybob | MS has been scooping up NIX devs left and rigt lately it seems |
| 07:42.20 | nate4096 | Aww you beat me to that one... |
| 07:42.48 | jetscreamer | i 'think' i might have seen it say 0000 but i forget |
| 07:42.54 | nate4096 | billybob: don't forget, next Windows is supposed to be all linux/mac-osx-ish. From what I heard anyway. |
| 07:42.59 | jetscreamer | it's either in a bot factoid or the manpage |
| 07:43.00 | sep | arooni, cat /etc/crontab check when anacron is run |
| 07:43.17 | billybob | god I hope not . . . |
| 07:43.32 | lobak | Obligatory: buffer command not found |
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| 07:44.01 | shai | hi :) can someone tell me how I can change the ammount of lines in the shell while in init2 ; i ask cuz i loaded knoppix on a laptop and I can't seem to see the last few lines at the bottom of the screen. |
| 07:44.11 | billybob | I wouldnt want Windows to change like that any more than id want Debian to be windows like |
| 07:44.27 | sep | arooni, mine is 6:25 but i dont know if that's generated at installtime. |
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| 07:44.44 | jetscreamer | #knoppix but you might look at the vga= directive when you boot |
| 07:44.49 | Obligatory | lobak, apt-get install buffer |
| 07:44.49 | Supaplex | shai: sorry, we're not affilated with knoppix. |
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| 07:45.10 | shai | Supaplex, well... be it any shell ... |
| 07:45.23 | jetscreamer | #linux |
| 07:45.27 | jetscreamer | reset |
| 07:45.28 | Supaplex | install debian? |
| 07:45.35 | jetscreamer | setterm |
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| 07:46.04 | Supaplex | control + page up/down |
| 07:46.16 | jetscreamer | shift+ |
| 07:46.37 | shai | jetscreamer, 'reset' is a temporary solution till i get to the bottom of the screen again and it, again, goes below the screen's scope... |
| 07:46.37 | jetscreamer | what does ctrl+ do |
| 07:46.43 | Obligatory | lobak, 'pv' is another 'buffer'-like util, one of 'em ought to do ya. |
| 07:47.29 | jetscreamer | !tell lobak -about installit |
| 07:47.41 | billybob | OK whose got the biggest Uptime here . . . |
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| 07:48.05 | Obligatory | shai, maybe your monitor needs adjusting? |
| 07:48.15 | jetscreamer | hey good point |
| 07:48.22 | jetscreamer | resize it with the monitor controls |
| 07:48.24 | nate4096 | My uptime has integer overflowed. |
| 07:48.29 | shai | Obligatory, perhaps, but this is an old laptop which doesn't have a button for this... |
| 07:48.33 | streuner | nate4096: haha |
| 07:48.40 | billybob | lol |
| 07:49.02 | nate4096 | So I'm wrapped around to 2 days uptime now. :D |
| 07:49.04 | jetscreamer | and google knoppix cheat codes, look for x&h refresh/sync |
| 07:49.11 | billybob | hahaha |
| 07:49.13 | Obligatory | shai, laptop, LCD, not a monitor problem then. |
| 07:49.17 | billybob | likely excuse ! |
| 07:49.30 | jetscreamer | err |
| 07:49.36 | jetscreamer | x-v&h |
| 07:49.39 | Supaplex | nate4096: 2 days in windows? no way </troll> |
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| 07:49.59 | nate4096 | Nah, not on windows. Just a new linux box. |
| 07:50.18 | nate4096 | Testing reboots to make sure network and iptables rules repopulate, etc. |
| 07:50.26 | billybob | C:\>Systeminfo | Find "Up Time" |
| 07:50.27 | billybob | System Up Time: 16 Days, 3 Hours, 50 Minutes, 38 Seconds |
| 07:50.35 | billybob | </retroll> |
| 07:50.35 | pgpkeys | woooo |
| 07:50.37 | billybob | :P |
| 07:50.41 | pgpkeys | ;) |
| 07:50.46 | billybob | My XO box |
| 07:50.50 | billybob | XP* |
| 07:50.50 | nate4096 | Pfft, if you were a real sysadmin, that 38 seconds would be 42! |
| 07:50.52 | patrick-- | Hey, can someone tell me whats up with this error? http://phpfi.com/305286 |
| 07:50.57 | pgpkeys | hahahahha |
| 07:52.22 | billybob | tries for the next several hours to get '42' seconds in a System| find "Up Time" |
| 07:52.32 | nate4096 | The worst part of my server being down is I just lost my US proxy... no more pandora. |
| 07:52.35 | billybob | Systeminfo . . . |
| 07:52.42 | Obligatory | patrick--, I dunno much about MySQL, but the password = YES looks funny. |
| 07:52.47 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.47 | sep | shai, cut it out. jetscreamer told you the first time you asked. use vga= and give the code for your laptops wanted resolution. stop asking again. and also this is not #knoppix |
| 07:53.01 | billybob | dahm thats nice Supaplex |
| 07:53.32 | billybob | doubt id get that on XP< since most current game titles now days seem to like to BSoDWindwos . . |
| 07:53.40 | nate4096 | 60% of a year? Biiiig deal. Lol. |
| 07:53.43 | Supaplex | hehe |
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| 07:54.42 | billybob | gaming now days is the ONLY reason for windows IMO, well MCE is pretty good too. |
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| 07:54.46 | el_mexicano | hi there |
| 07:54.54 | billybob | shuts up. |
| 07:55.15 | jelly-home | Supaplex: but can you count the number of available exploits for that kernel? :-) |
| 07:55.27 | nate4096 | The real question is how easy is it to recompile in such a way that your uptime starts at 11 months on boot rather than 0 seconds. ;) |
| 07:55.28 | jetscreamer | doesn't say 'hola' |
| 07:55.31 | jetscreamer | !hola |
| 07:55.31 | dpkg | [hola] Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, you will get more help from there. 000001 001001101 001001010 0001, or 000001 001001101 001001010 0001, or 000001 001001101 001001010 0001 |
| 07:55.36 | jetscreamer | err? |
| 07:55.37 | Supaplex | jelly-home: plenty :) |
| 07:55.43 | jetscreamer | i didn't know it did that |
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| 07:56.01 | jelly-home | wtf |
| 07:56.07 | el_mexicano | someone knows about problems between Cisco routers and debian 4.0? I got realy slow internet connections, if I use debian 3.1 it works great if i use debian 4.0 with an different router it works great, just debian4 and cisco wont work |
| 07:56.07 | billybob | still has a Sarge testing machine running somewhere |
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| 07:56.27 | nate4096 | !!?e??s?? |
| 07:56.32 | Supaplex | !win jetscreamer |
| 07:56.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetscreamer! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 07:56.41 | nate4096 | Pft. No greek channel? |
| 07:56.47 | jelly-home | dpkg, hola |
| 07:56.47 | dpkg | hey |
| 07:56.57 | jelly-home | blinks |
| 07:57.08 | streuner | !gr |
| 07:57.08 | dpkg | i guess gr is for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el. General Resolution |
| 07:57.31 | nate4096 | Hahaha.Sure showed me. |
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| 07:57.44 | Obligatory | Bye all... |
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| 08:05.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:05.52 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 08:06.57 | jetscreamer | !literal hola |
| 08:06.57 | dpkg | "hola" is "Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, you will get more help from there." |
| 08:07.11 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 08:07.17 | jetscreamer | !hola |
| 08:07.17 | dpkg | i guess hola is Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, you will get more help from there. |
| 08:07.27 | jetscreamer | ah an editor person |
| 08:07.34 | jetscreamer | !factinfo hola |
| 08:07.34 | dpkg | hola -- last modified at Fri Mar 30 07:49:48 2007 by scx!n=somebody@unaffiliated/scx; it has been requested 4 times, last by jetscreamer, 16s ago. |
| 08:07.58 | jetscreamer | wtf? |
| 08:08.07 | nate4096 | Haha, 4 times in a year? |
| 08:08.27 | jetscreamer | where is the binary come from |
| 08:08.32 | jetscreamer | s/is/did/ |
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| 08:09.27 | jetscreamer | why did the bot spew forth the binary |
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| 08:12.42 | nate4096 | What's even cooler is that it provided the same binary 3 times, separated by 'or's. |
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| 08:13.56 | Osx86 | hi all |
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| 08:16.53 | Duddle | hello everybody! I'm trying my first kernel-upgrade ever and might have some stupid questions in the next minutes :) first up, the configuration warns "This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use initrd"... I have already in my lilo.conf "initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686-smp" so I should be fine, right? |
| 08:17.06 | Duddle | (that's the old kernel, of course) |
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| 08:17.47 | jetscreamer | initrd=yes in /etc/kernel-img.conf iirc .. or -pkg dammit i always confuse them.. yes still. |
| 08:18.10 | jetscreamer | do_initrd= |
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| 08:20.13 | Duddle | it says: "Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source \ However, I can not read the target: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden \ Therefore, I am deleting /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source" |
| 08:20.21 | Duddle | is that bad? |
| 08:20.38 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:20.45 | Duddle | good :) |
| 08:20.54 | Snadder | Anyone here develooping in any opensource projects.. and have some tips for finding a project to attend? |
| 08:20.55 | jetscreamer | i never did get that one |
| 08:21.00 | jetscreamer | understand it i mean |
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| 08:21.15 | Duddle | there were no errors I guess... is it normal that a kernel-upgrade is so fast? |
| 08:21.23 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 08:21.59 | jetscreamer | but you didn't reboot... you might check /boot, and manually run update-lilo (iirc it's update-lilo i forgot it's been a long time) |
| 08:22.10 | jetscreamer | and check lilo.conf after that |
| 08:22.13 | Duddle | I now installed linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 but the lilo.conf remained unchanged, it has no mention of the new version |
| 08:22.23 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 08:22.23 | Duddle | ok |
| 08:22.25 | Snadder | I have alot of spare time atm.. in between jobs.. so whould be cool to do some open source projects. :-) |
| 08:22.37 | jetscreamer | !help |
| 08:22.41 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 08:23.17 | Duddle | ok, the initrd and the kernel are in /boot |
| 08:23.27 | jetscreamer | projects are usually looking for documentation translationos |
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| 08:23.39 | jetscreamer | gah |
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| 08:26.37 | Duddle | hmmm, update-lilo just asks "write boot-block with current configuration?" and "delete config and create a new one?" (or something like that)... I should be able to edit my lilo.conf to the new kernel and say yes to the first question and everything should be ok, right? |
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| 08:27.06 | Duddle | even though the dist-upgrade already said "Installing the partition boot sector..." |
| 08:27.17 | Duddle | I guess it took the old config for that :x |
| 08:27.35 | jim | why not grub? |
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| 08:29.01 | Duddle | because I'm scared about messing with anything that has to do with the boot sector and I only admin this server part-time, so I don't want to generate more trouble than necessary :) |
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| 08:30.20 | jim | Duddle: oh, you're right of course. |
| 08:30.38 | Osx86_ | if my kernel can see my usb dongle disconnecting and connecting then why can be the reasons why lsusb can't see it please? |
| 08:30.39 | jim | dont change someone else's machine without asking |
| 08:30.54 | Duddle | should I change the symbolic link in /boot/initrd.img to the latest initrd? |
| 08:31.27 | jim | no, I woudn't change anyting |
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| 08:32.45 | enouf | you should have one in / pointing to correct initrd |
| 08:33.34 | Duddle | nope |
| 08:33.41 | enouf | and old one renamed .old |
| 08:34.11 | Duddle | nope, not in / |
| 08:34.30 | Duddle | and not in /boot either |
| 08:37.09 | enouf | you might want to run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-NEW-Version (which updates the initrd), but with LiLo i don't know, .. i recall one used to need to alter the config file, then run LiLo prior to rebooting, but now? no idea |
| 08:37.25 | Duddle | ok |
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| 08:37.38 | enouf | how did you install the kernel? |
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| 08:38.43 | Duddle | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:39.16 | Duddle | the it warned me about editing lilo, then it did some things and "installation successfull" |
| 08:39.32 | Duddle | uh oh... |
| 08:39.42 | Duddle | gzip: stdout: No space left on device -_- |
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| 08:40.30 | Duddle | stupid predecessor, stupid partitioning -_- |
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| 08:44.55 | k-man__ | is there some way to check the major and minor modes of a device from the command line? |
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| 08:46.05 | perfector | does any1 know of a good openbox menu editor gui?? |
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| 08:46.48 | nate4096 | Ahaha, I really did chmod 700 /. That's uh... hilarious? |
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| 08:47.58 | Duddle | ok, the dpkg-reconfigure is done, but the symbolic link is unchanged... but I think my lilo.conf is ok, so it shouldn't be a problem, right? |
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| 08:49.09 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 08:50.04 | ttl- | i have a strange problem with genisoimage which i can't find the cause for, i'm using version 9:1.1.6-1 on lenny, i tried clear the package cache and did a aptitude reinstall but the problem remains the same. |
| 08:50.06 | Daveman | Bedtime |
| 08:50.42 | Duddle | can I somehow show the current boot-configuration written in the boot sector, so I can see if lilo was updated correctly? |
| 08:50.43 | ttl- | isoinfo -f -J -i file.iso says: isoinfo: Unable to find Joliet SVD |
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| 08:51.36 | Duddle | oh well, I guess I'll just try to reboot... wish me luck :x |
| 08:52.00 | ttl- | i created the image like this: genisoimage -J -r -o output.iso <dir> |
| 08:53.47 | nate4096 | Uh, so if I've just done mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/sysimage; chmod 755 /mnt/sysimage; umount /mnt/sysimage; ... will that have actually chmoded my / for next reboot? |
| 08:54.09 | nate4096 | It took a long time for this rescue mode to boot... I don't want to find out I haven't fixed it. :) |
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| 08:59.15 | enouf | if /mnt/sysimage is your usual / mount point , and if you mounted rw and saved tje changes |
| 08:59.56 | nate4096 | Well, the usual mount point is /, which is currently taken up by this fancy rescue mode I'm booted in. |
| 09:00.06 | enouf | ttl-: pastebin isoinfo -d -i file.iso |
| 09:00.49 | enouf | svd == secondary volume descriptor? |
| 09:01.07 | enouf | sda6 on / |
| 09:01.21 | enouf | well, you obviously have LVM so |
| 09:01.37 | Duddle | ok, after what time of the rebooting server not responding to ping should I be worried? |
| 09:01.48 | enouf | uh oh |
| 09:01.59 | enouf | can you get into grub? |
| 09:02.06 | enouf | oh creap |
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| 09:02.11 | enouf | LiLo |
| 09:02.27 | Duddle | well, the server is in a different room :) |
| 09:02.31 | nate4096 | Man, this remote rescue thing is insane... it actually works by checking out your entire file system as a subversion repository... lol. |
| 09:02.38 | enouf | erm, press and hold the shift key? to enter/choose menu item? |
| 09:02.41 | nate4096 | Or something like that. :| |
| 09:02.43 | Duddle | it responds :)))) |
| 09:03.13 | Duddle | just waiting for ssh now :x |
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| 09:03.21 | enouf | gotta love remotes with sneakernet accessibility |
| 09:04.21 | Duddle | yay, website works, ssh works, mysql works, sendmail works :))) |
| 09:04.58 | Duddle | and uname shows the new kernel :) |
| 09:05.19 | Duddle | thanks everybody for helping me through my stupid questions |
| 09:06.29 | se7en_ | 2.6.24-2.6.24.4.slh.2-sidux-686 |
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| 09:10.06 | ttl- | enouf: i pasted the output of the complete process and some additional isoinfo output at: http://pastebin.com/m80858e8 |
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| 09:12.02 | Duddle | one last question, which of these files can I delete without hesitation: http://pastebin.com/d71b38102 |
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| 09:12.44 | enouf | ttl-: dunno, burn without the -r and use -R |
| 09:12.58 | enouf | er, generate |
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| 09:13.17 | prem | hi all |
| 09:13.20 | enouf | but 3. genisoimage: Unexpected joliet directory length 126 expected: 130 '' might be something |
| 09:13.28 | ttl- | enouf: if i do the same on another debian box with the same version of genisoimage it works perfectly ? |
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| 09:14.08 | ttl- | enouf: yes it is saying that all the time |
| 09:14.11 | enouf | i can only think maybe that UTF-8 is messing it |
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| 09:16.33 | Duddle | ok, thanks again, byebye |
| 09:17.24 | nate4096 | hopes his system rescue is a success. |
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| 09:18.32 | cahoot | ttl-: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=429244 - applies? |
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| 09:20.41 | ttl- | enouf: I made a mistake in saying that isoinfo was outputting 'Unable to find Joliet SVD' I did run isoinfo on an image without -r and -J by mistake |
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| 09:22.50 | Xires | how would I recover/rebuild my package database? |
| 09:23.23 | ttl- | enouf: strange thing is that isoinfo says bad RR if you run it with -J -R and if you run it with -J it gives empty dir and with -R the file seems to be there... |
| 09:24.16 | enouf | ttl-: some default or not config file setup somewhere? |
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| 09:24.37 | Penix | Xires: apt-get update |
| 09:24.44 | Penix | Xires: what error does it give? |
| 09:24.51 | Xires | Penix; I've already done that..no luck |
| 09:24.55 | Xires | Penix; 1 min |
| 09:25.03 | cahoot | ttl-: already checked bug #429244 ? |
| 09:25.20 | ttl- | cahoot: yes seems to be the same problem |
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| 09:25.42 | ttl- | enouf: not that i know of |
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| 09:26.03 | Xires | Penix; http://rafb.net/p/qwrEHP95.html |
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| 09:26.12 | JustSoul | hello, How to check realtime hdd usage? |
| 09:26.40 | enouf | ttl-: all x86 ? |
| 09:26.49 | SlayerXP | JustSoul: what do you mean by "realtime hdd usage"? |
| 09:27.15 | JustSoul | SlayerXP: like iftop for eth |
| 09:27.27 | Penix | Xires: that seems to be referring to some code inside apt-listchanges |
| 09:27.28 | ttl- | enouf cahoot: strange that another box with lenny and the same version of genisoimage does not have the problem |
| 09:27.40 | Penix | Xires: doesn't say anything about your package list/database |
| 09:27.42 | ttl- | enouf: yes all P4 |
| 09:27.55 | Xires | Penix; it should be stated that last week I lost a HDD and had to run fsck ALLOT on this machine |
| 09:28.09 | Xires | I have noticed that some files have actually been corrupted |
| 09:28.39 | Xires | Penix; line 8 doesn't refer to the package database?? |
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| 09:29.21 | BigBen4711 | hi, looking for an console-tool in lenny, which allows to change the network-settings via an ncurses-style interface. |
| 09:29.23 | Penix | Xires: look at the lines above it. bsddb is some sort of python module. that error line looks like its related to the python class |
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| 09:29.45 | Penix | and dpkg is behaving normally in the rest of it |
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| 09:30.00 | Xires | Penix; understood..I thought it was referring to the package database, however..didn't realize it was referring to the listchanges-specific db |
| 09:30.14 | Xires | Penix; still, I cannot install/upgrade packages |
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| 09:30.32 | Penix | Xires: probably because of libdjvulibre15 |
| 09:30.37 | Penix | like it says |
| 09:30.41 | liable | listchanges has that error for me too |
| 09:30.55 | liable | its not releated to your problem |
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| 09:31.27 | enouf | cahoot: nice little drama in that BR :-p |
| 09:31.48 | Xires | Penix, liable; do you think an apt-get -f install libdjvulibre21 would help? |
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| 09:31.52 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 09:32.35 | gynterk | odd just happened |
| 09:32.54 | gynterk | I can ping all 6 vlans from server but only 5 from outside |
| 09:33.47 | gynterk | ping 192.168.0.254(vlan2) shows no response, thou if I use it as gateway with static IP I can connect to ssh server using 192.168.1.254 (vlan3) |
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| 09:34.12 | HSorgYves | why can't i access this file (-rwsr-x--- 1 root www-data 10244 2008-01-27 19:19 suexec) when I am in the www-data group? |
| 09:34.57 | HSorgYves | i want to 'md5sum suexec' which fails with 'Permission denied' |
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| 09:36.21 | Guerin | HSorgYves: be root |
| 09:36.57 | SlayerXP | JustSoul: iostat |
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| 09:42.24 | ticapix | hi |
| 09:43.17 | enouf | ttl-: tried the new version yet? |
| 09:43.37 | ticapix | I doing some updates on my lenny that I didn't use since december (no update since december) |
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| 09:43.56 | ticapix | I keep having msg like: "dash will not be upgraded to version 0.5.4-8, to avoid breaking the following dependencies" |
| 09:44.03 | ticapix | with no more information |
| 09:44.46 | enouf | ttl-: fwiw, as an aside, maybe worth looking at; http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debburn-devel/2008-February/000505.html |
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| 09:45.38 | ticapix | or message with [UNAVAILABLE] after the package version which is breaking the update |
| 09:46.18 | enouf | ticapix: using upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 09:46.32 | ticapix | using aptitude |
| 09:48.07 | ticapix | what is the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade ? |
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| 09:48.51 | nate4096 | Man, having the ability to remotely boot your dedicated machine into the equiv of a live CD environment is freaking awesome. |
| 09:49.16 | nate4096 | Gone are the days of having to have an employee digging around in your filesystem trying to fix your problems. :D |
| 09:51.16 | ttl- | enouf: i downloaded genisoimage_1.1.7.1-1_i386.deb from the SID tree, going to install it now |
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| 09:52.09 | Mark17 | what is really good mail relay server software for debian? i have a list off domains for what it may accept all email |
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| 09:52.29 | HSorgYves | Guerin: but why can't I access it as normal user from group www-data |
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| 09:53.23 | ttl- | enouf: can i just do a: dpkg -i genisoimage_1.1.7.1-1_i386.deb ? |
| 09:53.28 | enouf | yep |
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| 09:54.06 | abuyazan | hello |
| 09:54.11 | abuyazan | what does this mean |
| 09:54.12 | abuyazan | did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to IPv4 |
| 09:54.19 | abuyazan | if any one can help me |
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| 09:54.50 | sep | abuyazan, that someone connected. and did not send a mail or anything. just disconnected again |
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| 09:55.39 | sep | abuyazan, eg if you telnet to your server and just quit |
| 09:55.55 | ticapix | enouf, ok apt-get dist-upgrade is working just fine. I don't get why aptitude is havin problems doing the updates |
| 09:56.13 | ttl- | enouf: still complains about the -input-charset not specified but the image seems to be ok now |
| 09:56.27 | abuyazan | ok but i face this when i moved the server behind PIX firewall, |
| 09:56.49 | abuyazan | does i need ports other than 25 to service the mail |
| 09:57.09 | enouf | ticapix: maybe b/c aptitude defaults to installing recommends, and your apt isn't yet new enough version? |
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| 09:57.28 | sep | abuyazan, netstat -plont | grep master |
| 09:57.44 | sep | abuyazan, check what ports are listening on 0.0.0.0:portnr |
| 09:58.01 | enouf | ticapix: or your dist-upgrade by apt is not whatever aptitude was doing, no idea about aptitude |
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| 09:58.29 | abuyazan | i have 25 and 587 |
| 09:58.36 | sep | abuyazan, you might also have smtp over ssl or smtp + tls that uses other ports |
| 09:58.49 | sep | 587 = smtp + tls |
| 09:58.53 | abuyazan | it seems i have to open 587 |
| 09:58.59 | abuyazan | no i dont have |
| 09:59.21 | enouf | ttl-: ya know what they say .. ignore warnings unless they cause problems ;-) |
| 09:59.29 | gynterk | my server is broken : |
| 09:59.31 | gynterk | :'( |
| 09:59.46 | sep | hands gynterk the superglue |
| 09:59.57 | gynterk | thanks |
| 09:59.59 | gynterk | :) |
| 10:00.09 | ttl- | enouf: hehehe, indeed :) |
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| 10:00.44 | gynterk | I can see LAN and WAN from server. I can see server from LAN. I can't see WAN from LAN. Any ideas ? |
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| 10:00.52 | gynterk | Iptables is clean (all Accept, no rules) |
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| 10:01.40 | Xires | liable; I didn't know how to properly recover the db(db4.6_recover didn't appear to work) so I removed the /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db..listchanges no longer produces the error |
| 10:02.02 | enouf | gynterk: if you set something like all DROP prior to removing all rules, that'll be in affect still |
| 10:02.10 | liable | Xires: ah good |
| 10:02.11 | Xires | as for the rest of it, dpkg --force --purge libdjvulibre15; apt-get install libdjvulibre21 worked |
| 10:02.28 | gynterk | enouf, server machine got restart |
| 10:02.29 | Xires | ty liable & Penix for pointing out my error |
| 10:02.35 | gynterk | also switch and clients |
| 10:03.02 | gynterk | odd thing is that there are no packets moving thourgh FORWARD chain |
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| 10:04.36 | enouf | no idea mate |
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| 10:05.27 | gynterk | server just stopped working after long term power loss |
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| 10:08.25 | Faustov | hi, I have a problem with exim4 installed, I want to remove the package, remove any configuration files then install exim4 and reconfigure it from scratch - how do I do that on debian? I tried apt-get remove and then manually removed any exim4 stuff from /etc, then apt-get install exim4 but it doesn't create the files necessary for dpkg-reconfigure exim4 - how should i do that? |
| 10:08.40 | markrian | I want to run startx on a remote machine via ssh. I don't want to display X on the local machine; I simply want to have X running on the remote machine. How do I do this? Simply running startx via ssh gives me a permissions error. Running startx physically at that machine works. Any ideas? |
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| 10:11.45 | dbmood1 | dpl debate ? |
| 10:12.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm? |
| 10:12.18 | dbmood1 | what is a dpl debate ? |
| 10:12.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | Faustov, remove it with apt-get --purge remove exim4-config |
| 10:13.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | dbmood1, debian project leader debate. |
| 10:13.13 | dbmood1 | oh |
| 10:13.21 | SlayerXP | Faustov: exim's config is in a seperate package, confusingly |
| 10:13.30 | dbmood1 | can anyone join and watch ? |
| 10:14.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | not sure. i think anyone can *watch* |
| 10:14.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | dondelelcaro, is the dpl debate here or on oftc? |
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| 10:17.09 | ttl- | enouf: thanks a lot for the support! |
| 10:17.22 | enouf | ttl-: hey, no prob ;-) |
| 10:17.42 | enouf | ttl-: it was cahoot who really helped you thoough |
| 10:17.56 | enouf | i would still be fiddling about aimlessly |
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| 10:19.04 | Faustov | SlayerXP: thanks, honestly |
| 10:19.08 | Faustov | Kamping_Kaiser: u too :> |
| 10:19.09 | liable | Kamping_Kaiser: oftc |
| 10:19.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | :P |
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| 10:19.35 | liable | according to the dda anyway |
| 10:19.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, thanks. its not clear from /topic |
| 10:19.54 | liable | indeed |
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| 10:20.47 | ttl- | cahoot: Thanks! |
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| 10:21.18 | HSorgYves | why can't i access this file (-rwsr-x--- 1 root www-data 10244 2008-01-27 19:19 suexec) when I am in the www-data group? i just want to md5sum suexec... |
| 10:22.31 | dbmood1 | "suexec" |
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| 10:25.29 | mobin | hello everyone |
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| 10:28.18 | DustyBin | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 10:28.31 | DustyBin | ^^^ how can i tell if that particular nvidia driver can do PAL interlaced modes? |
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| 10:29.37 | sep | DustyBin, read nvidia's readme/changelog ? |
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| 10:30.33 | Coke | Is there any way to pass a passphrase to ssh or is the only way to go via stdin pipe? |
| 10:31.39 | mobin | is there any ttf sinhala unicode font available in debian |
| 10:31.40 | mobin | ? |
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| 10:32.11 | nse | hello. is mathematics a branch of logic? |
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| 10:32.25 | mquin | Coke: if you need to call ssh from a scrip t the cleanest way is to use public key authentication |
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| 10:33.18 | perfector | does any1 know of a good openbox menu editor gui?? |
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| 10:37.08 | mobin | any one know about fonts in debian? |
| 10:38.02 | ronr | !fonts |
| 10:38.02 | dpkg | fonts is, like, check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
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| 10:38.56 | jim | !font guide |
| 10:38.57 | dpkg | i guess font guide is (temporarily) bob2's Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused: http://www.ncee.net/shane/font_guide.txt (previously at http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt) |
| 10:39.40 | mobin | dpkg,fonr: is there any unicode ttf font available in debian? |
| 10:39.41 | dpkg | mobin: okay |
| 10:40.19 | ronr | mobin: dpkg is a bot :) |
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| 10:40.21 | jim | !fonr |
| 10:40.27 | jim | !,fonr |
| 10:40.33 | jim | !,fonr: |
| 10:40.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | !fnor: |
| 10:40.50 | jim | !fonr: |
| 10:40.50 | dpkg | hmm... fonr: is there any unicode ttf font available in debian? |
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| 10:41.06 | jim | !forget fonr: |
| 10:41.06 | dpkg | i forgot fonr:, jim |
| 10:41.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | !forget fnor: |
| 10:41.07 | dpkg | Kamping_Kaiser: i didn't have anything called 'fnor:' to forget |
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| 10:41.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | bah. |
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| 10:41.44 | malachi_constant | Can I make Debian do security updates automatically? unattended-upgrades didn't seem to work. |
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| 10:41.55 | malachi_constant | Or did I have to put the name of the binary in a cron job? |
| 10:42.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | malachi_constant, look at cron-apt |
| 10:42.24 | mobin | ronr: is there any such font? |
| 10:42.41 | malachi_constant | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks. |
| 10:42.45 | chuckkh | please forgive my ignorance, but where do I go to find out why the Audacity package from Debian testing 64-bit doesn't work with the jackd package from the same distro? |
| 10:42.48 | ronr | mobin: sure there is, I don't know in which package though |
| 10:43.29 | chuckkh | hasn't worked for several months |
| 10:43.40 | ronr | mobin: try http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TT-Debian-3.html |
| 10:43.54 | ronr | mobin: (chapter 3.5) |
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| 10:54.44 | Cripps | I have an SMP machine (dual core) ... is there a way (on the command line) to start a program on a specific core (or CPU)? |
| 10:55.00 | enouf | taskset |
| 10:55.24 | Cripps | thanks. |
| 10:55.28 | enouf | if it's single threaded it should be on one core anyway |
| 10:55.51 | Faustov | which debian package has nestat-nat app? |
| 10:55.59 | enouf | !search |
| 10:55.59 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 10:56.21 | Faustov | !search netstat-nat |
| 10:56.30 | Faustov | :( |
| 10:56.31 | Cripps | enouf, yeah ... I have folding at home, and since I'm not running 64-bit I want to emulate an SMP client by running 2 instances, one on each core. |
| 10:56.44 | Cripps | (the SMP client is only available in 64 bit) |
| 10:56.53 | enouf | ahh |
| 10:56.55 | Cripps | :) |
| 10:57.02 | Cripps | in the name of science! ;) |
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| 11:07.48 | mooper | is there a permissions calculator? |
| 11:07.49 | Pip | Hello,which CD is necessary for the installation of debian ? |
| 11:07.57 | mooper | -r---------- = blah |
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| 11:08.08 | mooper | --r--r--r- = blah etc |
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| 11:08.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | JFGI and some man pages probably |
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| 11:19.48 | malachi_constant | Pip: google for 'debian netinstall cd' and you'll find it. That assumes you want to do a netinstall. You can also just grab the first CD of the release and it should be fine. |
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| 11:20.19 | Pip | malachi_constant, Thank you buddy : ) |
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| 11:24.16 | Pip | malachi_constant, what is "debian-update-4.0r3-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent" ? |
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| 11:24.58 | Hyphenex | How do I find the md5 of a file? |
| 11:25.48 | Hyphenex | cd ##linux] |
| 11:25.53 | CharminTheMoose | Hyphenex, use md5sum? |
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| 11:29.23 | malachi_constant | Pip: I don't think that's the one. |
| 11:29.45 | Pip | Okay so it's just a update data for CD1,thanks |
| 11:30.19 | malachi_constant | Do you want the install cd via bittorrent? |
| 11:30.35 | malachi_constant | If so, it's this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 11:30.43 | malachi_constant | Fine choice of distro btw :) |
| 11:30.53 | Hyphenex | CharminTheMoose: Thx |
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| 11:34.17 | gioele | hello |
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| 11:34.52 | gioele | is there a way to get a list of packages that I have installed and have not been auto installed as deps of other packages? |
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| 11:35.41 | ShredZ | !webmin |
| 11:35.41 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 11:35.42 | internat85 | blonde moment, what package is dig in |
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| 11:36.09 | gioele | /var/lib/apt/extended_states has a list of packages with "Auto-Installed: 1". Is there a way to get a list of packages that have not been "Auto-Installed' |
| 11:36.34 | gioele | internat85: apt-file search dig |
| 11:36.46 | malachi_constant | Pip: ^ I linked it above if you didn't see. |
| 11:36.58 | Gun_Smoke | Morning... New to 64 bit... This is the image to use for Core 2? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 11:37.01 | internat85 | yeah i did that and got 40 billion results :P |
| 11:37.14 | malachi_constant | Pip: talk in ##linux-coders if you want to reply, I'm /parting. |
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| 11:37.16 | Pip | malachi_constant, Downloading....: ) |
| 11:37.28 | petemc | internat85: dnsutils |
| 11:37.41 | gioele | internat85: apt-file -F search dig |
| 11:38.05 | SQLDb | Gun_Smoke: I'm not sure, but, I don't think so (very possible that I'm wrong) |
| 11:39.13 | petemc | Gun_Smoke: amd64 is for 64bit intel too |
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| 11:39.24 | godling | Howdy kids. |
| 11:39.24 | SQLDb | heh, learn something new every day :P |
| 11:39.44 | Gun_Smoke | petemc: Thanks, thats what I was thinking.. |
| 11:40.04 | SQLDb | thought IA64 was the intel one |
| 11:40.17 | petemc | thats itanium |
| 11:40.24 | Gun_Smoke | I have a new laptop on the way and I can't wait to smoke vista off it.. So I'll put the DVD's in my bag.. (having it shipped to work) |
| 11:40.47 | SQLDb | petemc: yah, just googled it :) |
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| 11:41.01 | rati | Is there any software in which I can put equation and than it calculates it value? |
| 11:41.15 | gioele | rati: bc |
| 11:41.24 | gioele | rati: or octave |
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| 11:41.46 | Gun_Smoke | SQLDb: That's what I was thinking too when I looked at it. |
| 11:42.23 | SQLDb | Gun_Smoke: heh, at least it wasn't just me then :P |
| 11:42.26 | rati | gioele: hey is that commandline tool ? |
| 11:42.41 | gioele | rati: yes, both |
| 11:43.36 | Gun_Smoke | But then I remembered seeing something about AMD/Intel both being the same for 64 bit, but before I start the 3 hour DVD download I figured I'd at least double check here. |
| 11:44.04 | godling | dc is a commandline calculator as well |
| 11:44.11 | Faustov | how can i check on debian if exim4 was build with tls? |
| 11:44.13 | SQLDb | Gun_Smoke: netinst might be easier and faster |
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| 11:44.36 | Gun_Smoke | SQLDb: I have the time.. It's in the mail. |
| 11:45.12 | SQLDb | Gun_Smoke: ahh :) Gotcha. |
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| 11:45.46 | Gun_Smoke | I want to have the disks ready when it arrives at work... |
| 11:46.39 | petemc | Gun_Smoke: one other consideration is the bandwidth required for you to download a dvd image of packages that you wont use the majority of - tho obviously it doesnt matter if you use a torrent |
| 11:47.20 | godling | What's the DPL debate? |
| 11:47.42 | petemc | people running for debian project leader |
| 11:47.46 | petemc | debating |
| 11:48.16 | godling | How effective is a debate on IRC? |
| 11:48.33 | enouf | Faustov: not sure if $ ldd /usr/sbin/exim4 would help |
| 11:48.44 | godling | petemc: thanks |
| 11:48.45 | petemc | what kind of metric do you use for effectiveness? |
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| 11:49.40 | Faustov | enouf: good, libgnutls is there, thanks |
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| 11:49.55 | godling | That was rhetorical, I think. I'm used to IRC being the breeding ground of trolls. It's rare to see something productive. :) |
| 11:49.59 | enouf | Faustov: $ readelf -a /usr/sbin/exim4 | less |
| 11:49.59 | petemc | Faustov: exim4 -bV |
| 11:50.18 | petemc | godling: you've neen hanging out in teh wrong places |
| 11:50.20 | Coke | Hey... Trying to get a Swedish keyboard when using cygwin-x to login on a remote xdmcp instance, but failing. How do I make cygwin-x use the same keyboard that Windows is using? (i.e Swedish) I've tried hardcoding it at cygwin startup using the -xkblayout flag, it does nothing. Starting a terminal and running setxkbmodel se simply returns an error that it's unable to set it. What's wrong here? |
| 11:50.28 | internat85 | so im having issues with apt-proxy |
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| 11:50.53 | enouf | petemc: i tried a few -v , --help , al i got was "Exim is a Mail Transfer Agent. It is normally called by Mail User Agents, ...." :-P |
| 11:51.03 | gioele | rati: I think you're looking for SAGE: http://www.sagemath.org/ |
| 11:51.05 | internat85 | namely all my computers that attempt to use it sit on waiting for headers |
| 11:51.07 | petemc | right, it uses sendmail syntax |
| 11:51.25 | godling | petemc: ##C++ mostly. |
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| 11:53.18 | Gun_Smoke | petemc: Bandwidth isn't a problem here.. Be done in 2 more hours, at about 1/2 of what I can get. |
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| 11:53.47 | petemc | Gun_Smoke: not your bandwidth, the people kindly hosting the debian mirror |
| 11:54.11 | petemc | why would i care about your bandwidth? |
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| 11:54.41 | Gun_Smoke | petemc: Well someone needs to get the image to seed.. I can never get past the second DVD via torrents. |
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| 11:55.21 | petemc | unless you have machines with no net connection at all, the dvds are a waste of time |
| 11:55.24 | petemc | and bandwidth |
| 11:56.28 | peterS | and that goes double for DVD #2 and triple for DVD #3 |
| 11:57.12 | Gun_Smoke | Then why host them? |
| 11:57.23 | petemc | for machines sith no net connection |
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| 11:57.43 | godling | If a machine has no net connection, how can they download the dvd image? |
| 11:57.49 | petemc | like in a mud hut some third worl country |
| 11:57.49 | godling | s/they/it/ |
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| 11:58.06 | enouf | yeah, like those with only broken wifi, no ethernet |
| 11:58.11 | petemc | godling: you can transport disk using conventional methods |
| 11:58.19 | petemc | like, by post |
| 11:58.40 | amphi | recalls having to get a set of debian cds sent up from Mumbai to Kathmandu ;) |
| 11:58.43 | godling | petemc: Mud huts in third-world countries rarely have reliable postal service. |
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| 11:59.07 | JohnnyST | hello |
| 11:59.08 | petemc | ill have to take you word for that |
| 11:59.18 | amphi | post is hopeless, but private couriers are reliable |
| 11:59.23 | godling | I had to use the DVD for my laptop. |
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| 11:59.50 | petemc | godling: are you just looking for an argument? |
| 11:59.55 | enouf | nominates amphi as coolest quote of the morning for kust having used those two locations in the same sentence :-P |
| 12:00.03 | godling | No, I had to use the DVD for my laptop. :) |
| 12:00.20 | davedorm | hello... I am doing a netinst and it's asking me which kernel I want... I really don't know what is best |
| 12:00.20 | JohnnyST | Dose someone know if there are mysq 4.1.x packages avalible somewhere for debian Etch? That I can compile myself. |
| 12:00.36 | davedorm | I have a P4 dual core |
| 12:00.42 | petemc | the dvds obviously have legitimate uses, but if you can use a netinst or some such |
| 12:00.44 | JohnnyST | mysq that should be. |
| 12:00.44 | davedorm | and 1G of RAM |
| 12:00.50 | JohnnyST | mysql that should be. |
| 12:00.52 | davedorm | so do I want -bigmem |
| 12:00.56 | enouf | no |
| 12:01.00 | davedorm | or -smp ? |
| 12:01.03 | enouf | yes |
| 12:01.09 | godling | smp definitely |
| 12:01.10 | enouf | pentium D ? |
| 12:01.12 | davedorm | kk |
| 12:01.14 | davedorm | yes |
| 12:01.19 | enouf | yes, SMP |
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| 12:01.27 | davedorm | i686-smp |
| 12:01.31 | enouf | yep |
| 12:01.45 | amphi | enouf: heh; 'tis true; there was very slow, unreliable dialup - that's once there was anything beyond email, which was billed by the KB |
| 12:01.57 | davedorm | cool |
| 12:01.59 | enouf | ouch, heh |
| 12:02.03 | godling | amphi: How much did it cost? |
| 12:02.16 | davedorm | I am used to *buntu so I have never selected this before |
| 12:02.26 | davedorm | thanks, enouf |
| 12:02.48 | enouf | amphi: i used to love grabbing 300 out of say 400MB over a 36 hour period to see it fail miserably then :-P |
| 12:03.01 | amphi | the CDs? I don't recall, maybe 700NC; shipping was perhaps ~200IC |
| 12:03.17 | godling | amphi: No, the dial-up. |
| 12:03.19 | godling | :) |
| 12:03.36 | amphi | I don't recall now |
| 12:04.26 | enouf | ahh Frontline is kicking Bush's & Cheney's ass .. again ;-) |
| 12:04.27 | godling | For the geographically challenged -- NC? |
| 12:04.36 | godling | enouf: easy target |
| 12:04.38 | amphi | godling: .np rupees |
| 12:04.54 | amphi | godling: as opposed to .in rupees |
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| 12:05.03 | animefaniac | hi |
| 12:05.05 | godling | amphi: Thank you. |
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| 12:05.16 | animefaniac | hello |
| 12:05.29 | animefaniac | what is the discussion |
| 12:05.30 | enouf | nepalese? vs indian? |
| 12:05.39 | animefaniac | i am indian |
| 12:05.47 | enouf | i'm a fool |
| 12:05.50 | amphi | enouf: yes 1:1.6 fixed exchange rate |
| 12:05.50 | mxer | nepalese |
| 12:06.02 | godling | amphi: in favor of which? |
| 12:06.02 | enouf | gracias |
| 12:06.14 | animefaniac | hey is anybody an anime fan |
| 12:06.16 | amphi | godling: .in is the larger unit |
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| 12:06.27 | petemc | animefaniac: this is a debian support channel |
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| 12:06.38 | godling | that was a troll |
| 12:06.47 | petemc | takes on to know one |
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| 12:06.59 | amphi | 'faniac' is a neologism I was unaware of |
| 12:06.59 | godling | Indeed. |
| 12:07.17 | godling | amphi: fan + maniac, I imagine. |
| 12:07.28 | amphi | that was my buttumption |
| 12:07.35 | enouf | fannypac sounds better :-P |
| 12:07.49 | godling | I spoke to someone in India just this evening. |
| 12:08.07 | mazlee | hey,guy,can I ask a question none related with Debian.just a language question. I cannot find any native speaker in other channel. |
| 12:08.20 | godling | A nice young lady who wanted to remotely manipulate my machine. |
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| 12:08.35 | rom | hi |
| 12:08.52 | enouf | please use spaces after breaks in sentences, clauses, phrases <-- like that - thanks ;-) |
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| 12:09.05 | rom | how to execute a command with pipes as parameter of find : find . -name smthg -exec cmdA | cmdB | cmdC \; |
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| 12:09.15 | rom | doesn't work (of course, | is global) |
| 12:09.19 | amphi | enouf: typografascist ;) |
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| 12:09.25 | enouf | hehe |
| 12:09.26 | gioele | rom: xargs |
| 12:09.43 | jeed | Hi, how can you create a device node on a mounted partition, when your on debian? mknod gives 'Operation not permitted' |
| 12:09.45 | rom | could you give me an example please? |
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| 12:09.52 | gioele | find ... -print0 | xargs -0 cmdA | cmd B |
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| 12:10.26 | enouf | jeed: no need with udev |
| 12:10.54 | jeed | enouf, the partition i want to create the node on doesnt have udev |
| 12:11.00 | enouf | could try cd /dev ; sh ./MAKEDEV |
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| 12:11.20 | jeed | i need to make a node on a mounted partition that isnt the debian /, using debian |
| 12:11.26 | enouf | jeed: bind /dev/ prior to chroot |
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| 12:11.33 | godling | Every two hours that happens. It's quite annoying. |
| 12:11.35 | rom | $ find ~/backup/Album\ photos -name 'CIMG2707.lnk' -print0 | xargs -0 echo a | echo b \; |
| 12:11.38 | rom | doesn't work |
| 12:11.56 | jeed | Thats the problem, i cant chroot because theres no bash or shell inside the partition |
| 12:12.04 | enouf | no \; there, but ... |
| 12:12.18 | godling | rom: Did you expect it to? |
| 12:12.24 | rom | no :) |
| 12:12.33 | enouf | jeed: then you have larger issues |
| 12:12.36 | godling | At least you weren't disappointed. :) |
| 12:12.48 | jeed | enouf, nahh i need a device node, not a shell |
| 12:12.56 | gioele | rom: find ... -print0 | xargs -0 echo |
| 12:13.05 | gioele | not echo a |
| 12:13.30 | enouf | do you have a /dev at all there? |
| 12:13.43 | jeed | only have the debian /dev, which is udev |
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| 12:13.55 | enouf | omg |
| 12:14.03 | gioele | rom: suppose that find finds "foo", "bar" and "foobar", this will call "echo foo bar foobar" |
| 12:14.05 | enouf | gives up |
| 12:14.19 | amphi | !comfort enouf |
| 12:14.19 | dpkg | There, there, enouf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:14.19 | enouf | run udevtrigger |
| 12:14.22 | jeed | enouf, with embedded linux its not easy to do these things |
| 12:14.32 | rom | and if you want 2 echos |
| 12:14.39 | rom | xargs -0 "echo | echo" ?????? |
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| 12:14.50 | gui__ | hi |
| 12:14.56 | gioele | rom: that makes no sense at all |
| 12:15.04 | rom | yes, that's the point |
| 12:15.09 | rom | I will explain what I want to do |
| 12:15.11 | jeed | what does the udev on debian have to do with making a static node for an embedded linux >.< |
| 12:15.21 | rom | I am listing all *.lnk files |
| 12:15.24 | enouf | !8ball what does rom want to do |
| 12:15.24 | dpkg | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
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| 12:15.39 | rom | for each found, I want to execute commandA | commandB | commandC |
| 12:15.45 | enouf | jeed: you're not talking about debian then |
| 12:15.55 | amphi | what's a .lnk file? |
| 12:15.56 | rom | more precisely |
| 12:15.59 | jeed | rom, use for i in $( find command) do |
| 12:16.02 | gioele | rom: ok, but where is the filename? |
| 12:16.07 | godling | or -exec |
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| 12:16.18 | jeed | for i in $( ls ) do |
| 12:16.18 | rom | the filename is in {} as parameters of -exec |
| 12:16.21 | jeed | command a |
| 12:16.23 | jeed | command b |
| 12:16.30 | enouf | and i told you, bind mount then chroot |
| 12:16.37 | JustSoul | SlayerXP: thx |
| 12:16.38 | jeed | chroot into what? |
| 12:16.42 | jeed | thin air |
| 12:16.44 | jeed | no shell |
| 12:16.45 | jeed | :P |
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| 12:17.26 | enouf | gives up, for the 2nd time |
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| 12:17.37 | jeed | enouf |
| 12:17.54 | jeed | id have to compile 2 toolchains, and alot of apps to get a shell enviroment to chroot in |
| 12:18.00 | jeed | a little ott for just making a device node |
| 12:18.12 | rom | a problem with for i in $ ( find ... ) : |
| 12:18.15 | enouf | i don't know, can't picture it atm |
| 12:18.22 | godling | jeed: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:18.37 | rom | Here is a file : /home/rom/backup/Album photos/Animaux/Bambou/CIMG2707.lnk |
| 12:18.46 | rom | for i in ... split it into 2 paths |
| 12:18.58 | rom | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.04 | enouf | " " |
| 12:19.05 | petemc | rom: you need to quote things |
| 12:19.13 | godling | rom: for i in $(ls); do echo $i; done; |
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| 12:19.29 | jeed | godling, need to make a device node on a mounted partition, but debian wont let me because it has its udev /dev, when i want to make a node on say /mount/point/dev/ |
| 12:19.39 | rom | for i in $( find ~/backup/Album\ photos -name 'CIMG2707.lnk' ); do echo $i; done; |
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| 12:19.42 | godling | for i in `ls`; do echo $i; done; |
| 12:19.54 | rom | I have 2 results : /home/rom/backup/Album AND photos/Animaux/Bambou/CIMG2707.lnk |
| 12:19.59 | Coke | Can someone recommend a small terminal with utf-8 support that isn't "xterm"? (it segfaults in testing) |
| 12:20.03 | petemc | "$i" |
| 12:20.04 | enouf | jeed: you don't have to chroot |
| 12:20.11 | godling | Coke: urxvt |
| 12:20.12 | amphi | Coke: urxvt perhaps? |
| 12:20.14 | enouf | you could just bind mount |
| 12:20.16 | pmv_ | Coke, urxvt |
| 12:20.22 | jeed | but it wont stay |
| 12:20.24 | enouf | gives up, for the 3rd and final time |
| 12:20.26 | amphi | that's a quorum ;) |
| 12:20.27 | rom | same problem with "$i" (of course, it is just an echo parameter) |
| 12:20.29 | jeed | when i umount the partition |
| 12:20.30 | Coke | Can't find urxvt |
| 12:20.32 | godling | Coke: I use urxvt. It is the bomb-diggity, my friend. |
| 12:20.36 | jeed | and start the kernel that wants the node |
| 12:20.41 | enouf | none stay |
| 12:20.54 | Coke | godling: can't find it. |
| 12:20.54 | jeed | which is why i need it static |
| 12:20.55 | enouf | udev is dynamic |
| 12:21.06 | enouf | creates/populates on each boot |
| 12:21.09 | jeed | i dont want a udev node, im trying to create a static one |
| 12:21.13 | godling | Coke: search for urxvt-unicode |
| 12:21.17 | enouf | then use devfs |
| 12:21.20 | enouf | and 2.4 |
| 12:21.20 | godling | er |
| 12:21.22 | godling | rxvt-unicode |
| 12:21.27 | rom | I need to specify that separator for "for each" is "\n" but no " " |
| 12:21.28 | jeed | devfs isnt an option at this point |
| 12:21.35 | jeed | its embedded linux, its not as easy as apt-get |
| 12:21.36 | Coke | godling: ahh, there it is. thanks |
| 12:21.39 | jeed | anything i want, i have to port |
| 12:21.39 | godling | np |
| 12:21.53 | petemc | rom: ls | while read ; do foo "$REPLY" ; done |
| 12:22.18 | enouf | amphi: ;-) |
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| 12:22.34 | pmv_ | petemc, that is a good piece of advise.. I learn something new every day |
| 12:22.53 | pmv_ | *advice |
| 12:23.07 | rom | $ find ~/backup/Album\ photos -name 'CIMG2707.lnk' | while read; do echo $i; done; |
| 12:23.09 | rom | photos/Animaux/Bambou/CIMG2707.lnk |
| 12:23.13 | rom | the start is missing |
| 12:23.24 | rom | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.30 | pmv_ | rom, specify the full name to find |
| 12:23.33 | pmv_ | full path name |
| 12:23.37 | petemc | you seem to have ignored what i said |
| 12:23.46 | rom | that's not the problem |
| 12:23.50 | enouf | pmv_: were you the one interested in gadgets and remote control gizmos, home automation, usb controller and wifi crap ? |
| 12:23.52 | rom | find will print exactly the same result |
| 12:24.00 | pmv_ | enouf, I was one of them |
| 12:24.00 | petemc | rom: it will print the full path |
| 12:24.08 | enouf | pmv_: ok, one sec ;-) |
| 12:24.09 | rom | it prints the full path there |
| 12:24.14 | rom | but like there is a SPACE |
| 12:24.21 | rom | it splits the path into 2 parts |
| 12:24.22 | pmv_ | though I am not currently with a project |
| 12:24.27 | rom | s/like/as |
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| 12:24.51 | enouf | pmv_: http://linuxtoys.org/index.html http://www.linuxtoys.net/toys2.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSTEON <--more goodies? |
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| 12:25.08 | pmv_ | neato, thanks, enouf. will read on thse. |
| 12:25.18 | rom | I think -exec would be better, but I need to execute pipes |
| 12:25.26 | enouf | pmv_: just filling out the barrel ;-) |
| 12:25.44 | rom | find ~/backup/Album\ photos -name 'CIMG2707.lnk' -exec ....... AAAA {} | BBBBBB | CCCC {} |
| 12:25.51 | rom | but I don't know how to do |
| 12:25.55 | pmv_ | rom, where is $i in that last expression with the while? |
| 12:26.04 | pmv_ | you aint seetting it |
| 12:26.24 | rom | ?? |
| 12:26.38 | pmv_ | [pmv@rilian ~]$ cat | while read i; do echo -$i-; done |
| 12:26.38 | pmv_ | foo bar baz |
| 12:26.38 | pmv_ | -foo bar baz- |
| 12:26.48 | pmv_ | read separates by newline, as expecteed |
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| 12:27.08 | rom | $ find ~/backup/Album\ photos -name 'CIMG2707.lnk' | while read; do echo -$i-; done; |
| 12:27.08 | rom | -photos/Animaux/Bambou/CIMG2707.lnk- |
| 12:27.12 | enouf | for i in `locate locale`; do echo $i ; done | wc -l |
| 12:27.15 | pmv_ | rom, read i |
| 12:27.21 | pmv_ | not just read |
| 12:27.25 | petemc | and quotes |
| 12:27.31 | pmv_ | you are not getting $i filled |
| 12:27.32 | rom | \o/ |
| 12:27.35 | pmv_ | hahaha |
| 12:27.39 | rom | :) |
| 12:27.43 | pmv_ | i love that - \o/ |
| 12:27.43 | rom | and for curiosity |
| 12:27.50 | rom | as parameter of -exec |
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| 12:27.54 | rom | of find |
| 12:27.56 | nefffffff | http://www.meine-nackte-ex.net/?uid=138832 |
| 12:27.56 | pmv_ | every time I see 'lol' now I see a guy with hands raised |
| 12:27.56 | nefffffff | http://www.meine-nackte-ex.net/?uid=138832 |
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| 12:28.16 | enouf | i think football :-P |
| 12:28.20 | pmv_ | haha |
| 12:28.25 | pmv_ | tooouchdown! |
| 12:28.29 | enouf | bingo |
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| 12:28.53 | pmv_ | rom, you can do it with -exec as well |
| 12:29.03 | rom | how? |
| 12:29.12 | rom | I didn't manage to use pipes as parameters of -exce |
| 12:29.14 | rom | -exec |
| 12:29.22 | pmv_ | show what you're doing? |
| 12:29.34 | pmv_ | ah, you might need to quote |
| 12:29.45 | rom | find ~/backup/Album\ photos -name 'CIMG2707.lnk' -exec commandA '|' commandB |
| 12:29.46 | rom | \; |
| 12:30.13 | rom | $ find ~/backup/Album\ photos -name 'CIMG2707.lnk' -exec strings {} '|' grep -m1 '\\Appareil photo' '|' sed 's/.*\///' "<<<" {} \; |
| 12:30.20 | rom | but I have an error : strings : invalid option -m |
| 12:30.28 | rom | of course, -m is a grep parameter :) |
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| 12:30.35 | rom | it ignores the '|' |
| 12:30.42 | pmv_ | hmm |
| 12:30.58 | pmv_ | try -exec "cmd | cmd | cmd: |
| 12:30.59 | pmv_ | er |
| 12:31.01 | pmv_ | try -exec "cmd | cmd | cmd" |
| 12:31.09 | pmv_ | it thinks you are passing -m to find |
| 12:31.23 | enouf | xargs grep ... |
| 12:31.40 | rom | doesn't work |
| 12:31.49 | rom | "echo a | echo b : no file or directory" |
| 12:32.01 | rom | enouf : how? |
| 12:32.05 | enouf | fix that |
| 12:32.19 | pmv_ | hmm |
| 12:32.34 | pmv_ | yeah, exec thinks "cmd | cmd" is the executable |
| 12:32.47 | rom | that is my problem :) |
| 12:32.58 | pmv_ | interesting prob |
| 12:33.07 | pmv_ | but I suppose you can stick with read for now |
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| 12:33.47 | rom | I am still looking for method with exec |
| 12:34.11 | jim | then you'll have to determine how to use it |
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| 12:35.46 | jelly | never uses -exec |
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| 12:36.12 | pmv_ | I think -exec with pipes is a bad idea |
| 12:36.17 | pmv_ | it does not seem to be made for this |
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| 12:36.35 | jelly | |xargs -n1 -iX -e sh -c 'do anything you want with X here' |
| 12:36.38 | enouf | i think there might be an issue with using sed there too |
| 12:36.41 | pmv_ | what you can do, is have a shell script with the piping, then call it from -exec |
| 12:36.45 | jelly | er, s/-e// |
| 12:37.39 | pmv_ | yeah, you are better off piping off of find itself, or using xargs if necessary |
| 12:37.40 | rom | yes, maybe :) |
| 12:39.13 | pmv_ | if find does an exec() call on whatever is passed to -exec, then it definitely will not support pipes |
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| 12:39.38 | enouf | The -l and -i options appear in the 1997 version of the POSIX standard, but do not appear in the 2004 |
| 12:39.38 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:40.13 | pmv_ | enouf, this is for what? |
| 12:40.17 | Ace2016 | enouf: i sent my laptop for repair, i dbanned my primary hard disk and removed the second disk and put back the ram that came with it |
| 12:40.32 | enouf | pmv_: man xargs ;-) |
| 12:40.53 | enouf | Ace2016: okay? |
| 12:40.54 | Ace2016 | now i'm stuck on my desktop at my desk :( |
| 12:41.09 | Ace2016 | enouf: it was taken away this morning |
| 12:41.16 | jim | no you're not |
| 12:41.18 | enouf | wireless keyboard? |
| 12:41.24 | pmv_ | enouf, ah |
| 12:41.28 | jim | you can choose to do anything you want |
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| 12:41.43 | rom | find ~/backup/Album\ photos -name '*.lnk' | |
| 12:41.44 | rom | while read i; |
| 12:41.44 | rom | do |
| 12:41.45 | rom | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.45 | rom | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.45 | rom | done; |
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| 12:41.55 | pmv_ | heh |
| 12:41.58 | rom | sorryfor the flood |
| 12:42.05 | enouf | Ace2016: your HP laptop has 2 internal HDDs ? |
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| 12:42.55 | Ace2016 | enouf: yup, 2 x 120GB, i didn't want my sid install destroyed |
| 12:43.10 | Ace2016 | omg i'm going to be so far behind on updates :( |
| 12:43.18 | enouf | so no optical drive i imagine |
| 12:43.24 | Ace2016 | three is |
| 12:43.27 | pmv_ | <<< ? |
| 12:43.40 | jeed | ive seen laptops with 2x 250gb in RAID as default |
| 12:43.40 | jeed | lol |
| 12:43.42 | Ace2016 | pmv_: ah sorry |
| 12:43.51 | pmv_ | huh? |
| 12:43.57 | enouf | docked? ultra-bay? |
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| 12:44.07 | rom | <<< seems to be like echo | |
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| 12:44.11 | rom | echo "a" | grep ... |
| 12:44.15 | rom | grep ... <<< "a" |
| 12:44.17 | enouf | pmv_: i've seen people use it |
| 12:44.27 | pmv_ | is this documented? |
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| 12:44.31 | pmv_ | I have not used that before |
| 12:44.44 | rom | don't know, I just tried <, <<, and <<< to see if it worked |
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| 12:44.48 | enouf | i can't figure out what it does |
| 12:44.48 | rom | and it does (<<<) |
| 12:44.49 | rom | :) |
| 12:45.01 | rom | it just feeds stdin |
| 12:45.10 | enouf | it's loke a streaming force feeding ;-) |
| 12:45.19 | Ace2016 | enouf: 17" widescreen system has enough space for it i think |
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| 12:45.26 | pmv_ | oh |
| 12:45.32 | pmv_ | yeah, it feeds in stdin |
| 12:45.38 | enouf | you could try < <(command) |
| 12:45.46 | pmv_ | er |
| 12:45.47 | pmv_ | no |
| 12:45.50 | pmv_ | stdout |
| 12:45.54 | pmv_ | reverse of | I guess |
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| 12:46.50 | wwallace | hello trying to configure vnc after doing a command to set up i get this : |
| 12:46.52 | wwallace | vnc4server -geometry 1024Ã768 -depth 24 |
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| 12:46.56 | wwallace | invalid |
| 12:47.24 | pmv_ | oh, I guess it is documented |
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| 12:49.07 | Ace2016 | wait a sec, if you suspend to disk then the passwords for encrypted volumes held in ram will be written to disk right? |
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| 12:49.34 | pmv_ | Ace2016, that is right |
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| 12:49.55 | Ace2016 | pmv_: to the swap partition? so i'll need an encrypted swap too? |
| 12:50.05 | pmv_ | depends on your setup |
| 12:50.19 | pmv_ | I think most linux suspend schemes suspend to swap, yeah |
| 12:50.23 | pmv_ | you can encrypt swap too |
| 12:50.55 | pmv_ | I like to keep my keys in a usb key though |
| 12:50.59 | Ace2016 | maybe i'll try truecrypt |
| 12:51.01 | pmv_ | even the whole /boot |
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| 12:51.22 | Ace2016 | you keep /boot on a usb stick? why? |
| 12:51.41 | enouf | wwallace: hi, dunno, sorry |
| 12:51.44 | pmv_ | so if I do not stick it in, my laptop boots to a dummy windows install |
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| 12:51.52 | pmv_ | easier at airport checks |
| 12:52.16 | Ace2016 | if you stick it in then its linux, thats a good idea |
| 12:52.17 | pmv_ | seriously, try showing stupid airport security linux booting |
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| 12:52.48 | pmv_ | more secure too |
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| 12:53.04 | simmer1 | I'm trying to make a self signed ssl certificate on debian etch. lots of googling suggests using apache2-ssl-certificate, but it's not installed on my system. any ideas? |
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| 12:53.17 | xjunior | my friend has a problem... he have installed cpp,cpp-4.1,dpkg-dev,gcc-4.1.-base,libgcc1 packages, but the "gcc" executable is not in his path, and even can be found in anywhere inside /usr.... can somebody help? |
| 12:53.19 | Ace2016 | but i would need a tiny sub stick though, one that will barely stick out of the side of the laptop, i hate plugging usb sticks to the laptop, incase it snaps off and destrys itself or the usb port |
| 12:53.22 | vy | Hi, all! What's the replacement of device-mapper-multipath package in Debian? How can I access to a SAN machine through fence devices. |
| 12:53.25 | pmv_ | simmer1, you can do that with openssl |
| 12:53.37 | pmv_ | Ace2016, true |
| 12:53.47 | pmv_ | securty is orthogonal to convenience |
| 12:54.28 | rom | a strange thing: |
| 12:54.34 | rom | $ strings CIMG2707.lnk | grep -m1 "\\Appareil photo" |
| 12:54.35 | rom | E:\Appareil photo\2006-07-12\CIMG2707.JPG |
| 12:54.41 | Ace2016 | i had to use a portable hard drive because of it, i just cringe every time i plug in a usb stick if it isn't on a table |
| 12:54.44 | rom | $ strings CIMG2707.lnk | grep -m1 ":\\Appareil photo" |
| 12:54.47 | rom | (no result) |
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| 12:54.59 | Ace2016 | E:\Appareil photo\2006-07-12\CIMG2707.JPG ??? |
| 12:55.00 | rom | how to grep a ":" |
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| 12:55.14 | rom | yes it's the fullpath of CIMG... (the result of the command above) |
| 12:55.30 | simmer1 | pmv_ found it |
| 12:55.41 | rom | (pointed by .lnk windows shortcut) |
| 12:55.52 | rom | (that's why I parse it to convert into "ln -s") |
| 12:55.53 | rom | :) |
| 12:56.31 | pmv_ | rom, : matches here |
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| 12:57.14 | pmv_ | rom, try with single quotes |
| 12:57.31 | rom | ah yes thanks |
| 12:57.36 | pmv_ | strange |
| 12:57.42 | rom | very blur for me the difference between ' and " |
| 12:57.43 | pmv_ | is : a modifier? |
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| 12:58.50 | jeed | anyone here know how to extract a cpio archive from a kernel image? |
| 12:58.57 | Ace2016 | ls |gerp : works here |
| 12:59.05 | pmv_ | here too |
| 12:59.15 | Ace2016 | jeed: google, there are lots of good sites on it |
| 12:59.24 | pmv_ | but ":\\" seems to mean something special |
| 12:59.29 | jeed | Ace2016, been looking all over the net, IRC, forums for 3 days |
| 12:59.33 | pmv_ | [pmv@rilian ~]$ cat | grep ":\\" |
| 12:59.33 | pmv_ | grep: Trailing backslash |
| 12:59.38 | xjunior | my friend has a problem... he have installed cpp,cpp-4.1,dpkg-dev,gcc-4.1.-base,libgcc1 packages, but the "gcc" executable is not in his path, and even can be found in anywhere inside /usr.... can somebody help? |
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| 12:59.58 | jeed | i know how to extract a cpio archive, but to get the cpio archive from a kernel image, ? |
| 13:00.26 | Ace2016 | jeed: so compile a kernel to get an initrd file? |
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| 13:00.30 | enouf | vy: dmraid? |
| 13:00.42 | jeed | Ace2016, i need the specific contents of a kernel thats already made |
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| 13:01.21 | Ace2016 | the contents of a kernel? |
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| 13:01.51 | rom | even with 'E:\\App....' |
| 13:01.54 | rom | it doesn't work in my script |
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| 13:01.59 | rom | FILE_PATH=`strings "$LNK_PATH" | grep -m1 '\\Appareil photo'` |
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| 13:02.01 | rom | if I put |
| 13:02.05 | rom | FILE_PATH=`strings "$LNK_PATH" | grep -m1 'E:\\Appareil photo'` |
| 13:02.08 | rom | I have no result |
| 13:03.00 | pmv_ | rom, \\ is an escape sequence that becomes \ |
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| 13:03.05 | pmv_ | er |
| 13:03.07 | pmv_ | what? |
| 13:03.08 | rom | yes that's what I want |
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| 13:03.11 | pmv_ | wait, I am dreaming lol |
| 13:03.15 | rom | so I want E:\ |
| 13:03.19 | rom | I write E:\\ |
| 13:03.21 | Ace2016 | what about ls |grep E| grep Apper |
| 13:03.22 | vy | enouf: "apt-cache show dmraid" tells me something about RAID stuff, is it really what I need? |
| 13:03.23 | pmv_ | really? matches here |
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| 13:03.41 | pmv_ | [pmv@rilian ~]$ cat | grep 'e:\\' |
| 13:03.41 | pmv_ | e:\foo |
| 13:03.49 | Ace2016 | maybe grep is old? |
| 13:03.52 | enouf | vy: well, that and mdadm |
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| 13:04.12 | enouf | vy: mdadm hooks into device-mapper, iinm |
| 13:04.13 | jeed | Ace2016, kernels have the option to have a cpio image inside for a initramfs built into the kernel |
| 13:04.18 | jeed | i need to get one back out of a kernel |
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| 13:05.25 | Ace2016 | oh i know how to extract and put an initramfs back together but not how to get it out of a kernel |
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| 13:06.15 | rom | again a strange thing between ' and " |
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| 13:06.21 | rom | $ echo "a/b/c" | sed 's/[^\/]*\$//' |
| 13:06.22 | rom | a/b/c |
| 13:06.27 | rom | $ echo "a/b/c" | sed "s/[^\/]*\$//" |
| 13:06.28 | rom | a/b/ |
| 13:06.39 | enouf | vy: i'm looking at stuff like this http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/md.txt#L155 and http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/drivers/md/ and the Kconfig and sucj |
| 13:06.41 | jeed | Ace2016, exactly |
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| 13:08.21 | enouf | vy: from what i know, dmraid is basically to support "fakeraid" on linux (ya know) like these http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html the ones mentioned there in apt-cache show |
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| 13:08.30 | Ace2016 | jeed: why not just build a new kernel? what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:09.08 | rom | sed "s/.*\\//" : sed: -e expression n°1, caractère 7: commande `s' inachevée |
| 13:09.13 | rom | don't understand why |
| 13:09.16 | jeed | Ace2016, theres stuff inside the initramfs that i cant create |
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| 13:09.55 | Ace2016 | so why can't you recompile a new one with an external initramfs? |
| 13:09.56 | vy | enouf: Thanks so much for the pointers. But it seems that I'm lacking of fundamental SAN knowledge. Can you recommend some more (if any high-level) documentations? |
| 13:10.10 | jeed | >.< i need whats inside the prebuilt initramfs |
| 13:10.12 | rom | sed "s/.*\\//" <<< "a\b\c" |
| 13:10.21 | jeed | if i made an external initramfs, it wouldnt magically get the stuff i needed out |
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| 13:10.45 | niru | how to know wich tty a device is using |
| 13:10.49 | niru | whats the command |
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| 13:10.57 | enouf | vy: i'm as much in the dark as you honestly about SANs .. maybe look into HBA docs (Host Bus Adapters) ? |
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| 13:11.04 | niru | how can I know whetehr by pen is using /dev/ttyS2 or not |
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| 13:11.42 | pmv_ | niru, lspci or dmesg ought to give you a clue |
| 13:11.45 | rom | sed "s/.*\\\//" works, lol, I dont know why |
| 13:11.47 | rom | I need 3 \ |
| 13:12.07 | enouf | vy: i mean are you dealing with FiberChannel? InfiniBand? iSCSI? ATAoE? .. or just SAS/SATA ? |
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| 13:12.22 | vy | enouf: FC. |
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| 13:12.37 | enouf | vy: ok, i know nothing ;-) |
| 13:13.12 | Supaplex | vy: multipath-tools |
| 13:13.37 | Supaplex | vy: what are you using as the SAN server(s)? |
| 13:13.43 | pmv_ | rom, |
| 13:13.43 | pmv_ | [pmv@rilian ~]$ cat | grep -e '\\\{3\}' |
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| 13:13.44 | pmv_ | \\\ |
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| 13:14.01 | pmv_ | hurr |
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| 13:14.09 | vy | Supaplex: IBM DS4700 SAN and IBM 2005-B16 fiber switches (fences). |
| 13:14.42 | xjunior | to install gcc 4.1 should I do "apt-get install gcc-4.1" ? |
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| 13:15.52 | enouf | vy: yeah $ apt-cache show multipath-tools as Supaplex says; notice libdevmapper1.02.1 (>= 2:1.02.24) in the Depends; |
| 13:16.04 | fvwmnet | xjunior: apt-cache search gcc |
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| 13:18.41 | xjunior | fvwmnet, it just found cpp-4.1, dpkg-dev, gcc-4.1-base and cpp |
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| 13:20.38 | spoown | Hello all !! |
| 13:20.51 | themill | dpkg: greet spoown |
| 13:20.51 | dpkg | G'day, spoown |
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| 13:22.04 | rom | $ echo ABCDEF | xxx -----> 6 |
| 13:22.09 | rom | how to count like "strlen" |
| 13:22.15 | rom | wc -c :) |
| 13:22.27 | rom | (-1) |
| 13:22.45 | MyOwnShadow | :) |
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| 13:23.10 | pmv_ | rom, careful about the spaces |
| 13:23.25 | enouf | jeed: look in /usr/src/linux/usr |
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| 13:23.51 | jeed | enouf, w |
| 13:23.52 | Supaplex | rom: perl ftw. and \n is a charater, so unless you use echo -n, it counts. :) |
| 13:23.54 | jeed | *what for |
| 13:23.56 | pmv_ | usually negligible, but it is sometimes an issue |
| 13:23.56 | tomahasamoot | How do I switch to a different runlevel? |
| 13:24.02 | spoown | Does anyone have a software to encrypt our files with aes ? I cannot find one with apt !! |
| 13:24.06 | pmv_ | runlevel n |
| 13:24.20 | Supaplex | spoown: gpg |
| 13:24.21 | tomahasamoot | thanx |
| 13:24.22 | enouf | oh, nm, you have no kernel source |
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| 13:25.58 | enouf | jeed: from a debian linux-image or a debian made make-kpkg kernel, when --initrd was NOT made during compile, you can make an initrd against that kernel |
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| 13:26.46 | Ace2016 | enouf: whats the difference between initramfs and initrd? |
| 13:26.47 | enouf | jeed: man mkinitramfs, man update-initramfs |
| 13:26.51 | spoown | Supaplex, gnupg2 can encrypt a file ? and use a password within a file ? |
| 13:26.53 | jeed | its not a debian kernel iwanted to nab the cpio internal image from, i just asked in here because theres a slim chance one linux dev on freenode somewhere knows |
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| 13:27.15 | enouf | Ace2016: initramfs is what comprises an initrd basically |
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| 13:28.47 | enouf | Ace2016: initramfs is used to generate cpio gzipped archives (initrd), earlier initrds were made from cramfs/cromfs images - kernel /Documentation explains it all in detail |
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| 13:31.52 | enouf | Ace2016: old http://pastebin.ca/raw/958065 , newer style (~2.6.12+ ???) http://pastebin.ca/raw/958066 .. and more; http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/24/inspecting-the-content-of-an-initrd-file/ |
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| 13:33.35 | Lewoco | Why does my only ethernet adaptor start out as eth1 instead of eth0? When I do the modprobe it says, 'udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1'. Why does it do this? |
| 13:33.57 | enouf | jeed: you can't if specific config options weren't enabled at build time like config INITRAMFS_SOURCE , iinm |
| 13:34.00 | Supaplex | !z25 |
| 13:34.01 | dpkg | hmm... z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 13:34.03 | spoown | clear |
| 13:34.10 | Supaplex | Lewoco: see what dpkg just said |
| 13:34.32 | enouf | Files should contain entries according to the format described by the "usr/gen_init_cpio" program in the kernel tree. When multiple directories and files are specified then the initramfs image will be the aggregate of all of them. See <file:Documentation/early-userspace/README> for more details. |
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| 13:34.47 | enouf | there's the /usr dir i spoke of |
| 13:35.20 | Supaplex | spoown: it will encrypt all contents with either a pass phrase, or a private key (with the public key) |
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| 13:36.56 | Lewoco | Supaplex: Thanks. |
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| 13:39.16 | ricosecada | Hi. I am trying to install nvidia on lenny using the official nvidia driver, but I get this error: "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel", what is a kernel interface? |
| 13:39.31 | iateadonut | i've been running memtest for about 40 hours now with no problems reported. i can't figure out for the life of me why my machine keeps crashing. |
| 13:39.43 | pmv_ | iateadonut, any logs? |
| 13:39.49 | pmv_ | describe the crash |
| 13:39.59 | iateadonut | the screen freezes and gets lines through it. |
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| 13:40.09 | pmv_ | might be a bad device |
| 13:40.12 | pmv_ | any logs? |
| 13:40.19 | iateadonut | so, you can still tell basically what was on the screen, but if there were words on it, you wouldn't know what it was. |
| 13:40.21 | iateadonut | no logs. |
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| 13:40.36 | iateadonut | var/logs/messages doesn't show anything. |
| 13:40.36 | iateadonut | should i look somewhere else? |
| 13:40.36 | pmv_ | sounds like faulty hardware |
| 13:40.41 | pmv_ | it has happened |
| 13:40.42 | pmv_ | to me, I mean |
| 13:40.46 | iateadonut | i think it's faulty hardware also. |
| 13:40.51 | pmv_ | iateadonut, dmesg |
| 13:40.59 | pmv_ | system |
| 13:41.18 | iateadonut | but, i also saw it happen to someone's laptop, consistently, when i tried to put mandriva one on it. |
| 13:41.19 | pmv_ | see if anything out of order is in dmesg |
| 13:41.30 | iateadonut | dmesg |
| 13:41.32 | iateadonut | ok. |
| 13:41.46 | nse | I love this operational system. |
| 13:41.49 | enouf | iateadonut: yo |
| 13:41.52 | pmv_ | could be a bad kernel crash |
| 13:42.06 | iateadonut | if i've been running memtest for 40 hours, it's safe to say it's not the RAM, right? |
| 13:42.14 | iateadonut | enouf: hi |
| 13:42.19 | enouf | iateadonut: more gadget gizmo stuff ;-) http://linuxtoys.org/index.html http://www.linuxtoys.net/toys2.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSTEON <--more goodies? |
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| 13:42.27 | iateadonut | oh. thanks so much. |
| 13:42.28 | pmv_ | iateadonut, yeah, but it could be other stuff |
| 13:42.29 | ricosecada | Kernel interface anyone? |
| 13:42.35 | pmv_ | faulty bus maybe |
| 13:42.38 | pmv_ | even processor |
| 13:42.51 | pmv_ | ricosecada, sure I will have one |
| 13:42.53 | pmv_ | :) |
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| 13:43.09 | ricosecada | pmw_ what the bleep is it? |
| 13:43.16 | iateadonut | pmv_: just wondering if i can reboot into debian now that i've tested for 40 hours. |
| 13:43.22 | iateadonut | is all. |
| 13:43.32 | pmv_ | ricosecada, cotext please |
| 13:43.34 | pmv_ | *context |
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| 13:43.48 | pmv_ | iateadonut, what have you been running on? |
| 13:44.00 | pmv_ | oh, the bios memtest? |
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| 13:44.21 | ricosecada | pmv_ I am trying to install the nvidia driver from their site, and I get the error: No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel. |
| 13:44.26 | pmv_ | ricosecada, oh, there |
| 13:44.29 | mic_p | Hi all. Can I "open" a .deb file? And can I "uncompress" it? Thanks |
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| 13:44.41 | pmv_ | ricosecada, the driver expects certain hooks in the kernel to use |
| 13:44.54 | mquin | mic_p: see 'man dpkg-deb' |
| 13:44.54 | iateadonut | pmv_: yes, the bios memtest86 |
| 13:44.57 | CharminTheMoose | mic_p, yeah, use 'ar x' |
| 13:44.58 | pmv_ | ricosecada, you should get a kernel that is compatible with the driver you are trying to use |
| 13:45.12 | ricosecada | pmv_ thanks |
| 13:45.21 | themill | mic_p: man dpkg -- look at the -x option. Or use something like mc to take a quick peek inside. |
| 13:45.27 | pmv_ | ricosecada, it is probably specified in some readme there |
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| 13:46.29 | pmv_ | I must have adhd or something. when I code, I like to be doing something else like hang out here. |
| 13:46.54 | mic_p | mquin: dpkg-deb --extract do the work! |
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| 13:47.40 | abrotman | mic_p: ar x file.deb |
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| 13:48.56 | themill | abrotman: Aren't there some variations between .deb and ar archives these days? (vague memory that using ar was not guaranteed to work any more) |
| 13:49.08 | abrotman | themill: not that i've seen |
| 13:49.33 | abrotman | themill: ask a DD ? |
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| 13:50.04 | themill | abrotman: nah... you're right -- man 5 deb |
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| 13:50.53 | abrotman | themill: can i get a damn cookie? |
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| 13:51.01 | themill | !cookie abrotman` |
| 13:51.03 | dpkg | Hey themill, is |
| 13:51.07 | themill | fail |
| 13:51.07 | abrotman | yay? |
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| 13:51.19 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.19 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for abrotman |
| 13:51.27 | abrotman | i think the ` threw the bot off ? |
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| 13:51.30 | themill | probably better for you than a cookie anyway |
| 13:51.31 | pmv_ | lol |
| 13:51.43 | stew | themill: there are several proposed, but not yet implemented in debian, such as 'wig and pen', aaui |
| 13:51.45 | themill | abrotman: probably... but if it did then that's probably a *really* bad thing. |
| 13:51.56 | abrotman | !cookie abrotman` |
| 13:51.57 | dpkg | Hey abrotman, is |
| 13:52.03 | abrotman | or that's the only factoid |
| 13:52.24 | abrotman | oh .. i get it .. couldn't find anything |
| 13:53.17 | enouf | Ace2016: your welcome ;-) |
| 13:53.25 | enouf | er you're |
| 13:53.40 | iateadonut | what should i be looking for in dmesg? |
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| 13:53.58 | iateadonut | (sorry, that was a thoughtless, ask first, google later question.) |
| 13:53.58 | stew | there used to be a greycatsnack which was a peanut butter cookie, iirc |
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| 13:54.06 | pmv_ | iateadonut, anything about the crash at the end? anything weird about initializing devices during boot? |
| 13:55.20 | abrotman | !greycatsnack |
| 13:55.20 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a peanut butter cookie for all the hard work |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | yeah .. you see what that got him .. a big boot! |
| 13:55.39 | iateadonut | last time it crashed was a few bootups ago. |
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| 13:56.39 | pmv_ | iateadonut, well if it happens again that is another place to look |
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| 13:57.04 | iateadonut | when can i look? the system is completely unusable after it crashes? do i look the next bootup? |
| 13:57.34 | pmv_ | iateadonut, the system keeps old dmesg logs I think |
| 13:57.48 | pmv_ | and you can at least check if anything is weird when it initializes devices |
| 13:57.55 | pmv_ | who is greycat btw? |
| 13:58.19 | pmv_ | forgive my ignorance |
| 13:58.22 | themill | stew: thanks. Will read some more. |
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| 13:59.11 | BeckVOIP | hi |
| 13:59.11 | leonardo | hi i'm using debian lenny but i have a problem since yesterday, can't see packages updates |
| 13:59.23 | leonardo | nothing when i reload the sources |
| 13:59.27 | BeckVOIP | I'd like to use Debian 4.0 with Asterisk |
| 13:59.32 | BeckVOIP | is it ok for this |
| 13:59.40 | leonardo | do we had updates today? |
| 13:59.44 | jelly | pmv_: hm, http://wooledge.org/~greg/ |
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| 13:59.55 | BeckVOIP | Im Beck |
| 13:59.56 | pmv_ | thanks |
| 13:59.57 | SQLDb | BeckVOIP: I've done it before, so I can vouch for it *working*... |
| 14:00.06 | leonardo | all day i see updates but today i didn't see |
| 14:00.24 | BeckVOIP | u mean it's working with Asterisk |
| 14:00.28 | BeckVOIP | isn't it? |
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| 14:00.50 | rom | arf, it will be difficult, some files are in lower case, some files are in upper case, and it was the same on windows : |
| 14:00.50 | rom | :( |
| 14:00.52 | SQLDb | I mean, I've installed asterisk on debian, and it worked for me. |
| 14:00.55 | rom | I have to test if the file exist |
| 14:01.04 | rom | s |
| 14:01.13 | BeckVOIP | ohh Good |
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| 14:01.56 | jelly | my telephone says our asterisk on debian is still working too |
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| 14:03.32 | opensrcguru | anyone know of a .chm (w1ndoze help file) conversion tool? |
| 14:03.42 | opensrcguru | for debian that is... |
| 14:03.50 | pmv_ | rom, yep. fat32 sucks like that |
| 14:03.50 | ma3x | is it normal for wireless to do complete scans too often? |
| 14:04.12 | BeckVOIP | SQLDb >>> Can u pls help me to do this |
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| 14:05.32 | jim_p | !fuse |
| 14:05.33 | dpkg | well, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 14:05.56 | fordboy0 | dpkg: Don't forget sshfs :) |
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| 14:07.02 | jim_p | may i ask something about the "last" fuse update? i was on vacation since friday and today a single update made a whole mess! |
| 14:07.35 | valdyn | jim_p: read the changelog? |
| 14:08.15 | BeckVOIP | hi |
| 14:08.27 | opensrcguru | never mind....in case anyone is interested http://code.google.com/p/chm2pdf/ |
| 14:08.30 | BeckVOIP | Hi |
| 14:08.31 | jim_p | no no... in fact , the update also ruined a small workaround i had |
| 14:08.39 | jim_p | hi BeckVOIP |
| 14:08.54 | BeckVOIP | Im finding someone who can setup Asterisk on Debian4.0 |
| 14:09.14 | idimmu | are you paying? |
| 14:09.22 | BeckVOIP | Because I'd like to change all solution to Asterisk and Ser |
| 14:09.23 | Ace2016 | ok back |
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| 14:09.28 | slidesinger | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.32 | Ace2016 | enouf: Thanks |
| 14:09.41 | BeckVOIP | Yes I can pay |
| 14:09.42 | hugohagogo | needs be debian? |
| 14:09.49 | valdyn | slidesinger: that module wasnt ever included i think |
| 14:10.07 | valdyn | slidesinger: ath_pci is the name of the madwifi atheros driver module |
| 14:10.22 | valdyn | slidesinger: which never was in mainline |
| 14:10.25 | slidesinger | valdyn: Still in 2.6.22-2-686 |
| 14:10.45 | valdyn | slidesinger: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 14:10.58 | hugohagogo | BeckVOIP, needs be debian? |
| 14:11.01 | BeckVOIP | Hi |
| 14:11.05 | BeckVOIP | No |
| 14:11.10 | BeckVOIP | any Linux OS |
| 14:11.13 | hugohagogo | ok |
| 14:11.20 | slidesinger | valdyn: but as long as it has not been deprecated, I can use module-assistant to fix it up. |
| 14:11.22 | BeckVOIP | If someone can help me |
| 14:11.27 | BeckVOIP | then I can pay |
| 14:11.41 | valdyn | slidesinger: it isnt deprecated, it just never was in mainline |
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| 14:11.48 | valdyn | slidesinger: go ahead use module-assistant |
| 14:11.54 | slidesinger | valdyn: Thanks. |
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| 14:12.43 | BeckVOIP | hi |
| 14:13.14 | slidesinger | Must say, debian just keeps getting better and better. |
| 14:13.24 | BeckVOIP | if who wants to help me pls go to talk on MSN |
| 14:13.33 | rom | arf |
| 14:13.34 | jim_p | i used to have a minor problem with ntfs-3g. on shutdown or reboot, debian gave me a "killing remaining porcesses ... fail", which could be avoided if unmounting all ntfs-3g partitions first. with the last fuse update, this does not work anymore. i get a nasty,red FAIL when rebooting or shutting down. moreover, windows has shown a significant slowdown when browsing the drives contents |
| 14:13.39 | rom | I manage to create symbolic links |
| 14:13.44 | rom | from .lnk |
| 14:13.51 | BeckVOIP | my MSN ID is donlaphat1@hotmail.com |
| 14:13.53 | rom | but I have a little problem |
| 14:13.54 | pmv_ | rom, :) |
| 14:14.18 | rom | I mount /media/tux from 192.168.0.1 into /net/tux localy |
| 14:14.29 | rom | and links point to /media/tux/.... |
| 14:14.36 | rom | so locally I can't use them... |
| 14:14.47 | pmv_ | rom, nfs? |
| 14:14.52 | rom | sshfs |
| 14:14.57 | pmv_ | yikes |
| 14:14.58 | pmv_ | hmm |
| 14:15.00 | valdyn | rom: that is how links work. |
| 14:15.05 | rom | I can create links like ../../.. |
| 14:15.08 | BeckVOIP | hi |
| 14:15.18 | valdyn | rom: and that is a reason why you can create relative symlinks too |
| 14:15.19 | pmv_ | you can do that I guess |
| 14:15.28 | simonrvn | BeckVOIP: are you effing serious? do you have a debian question? |
| 14:15.30 | pmv_ | BeckVOIP, please stop spamming |
| 14:15.34 | rom | ok, I will do that, relative symlinks |
| 14:15.47 | pmv_ | rom, you can do a different set of symlinks too |
| 14:15.48 | rom | but another thing, in konqueror, when I link, itALWAYS use absolute links |
| 14:15.58 | slidesinger | Between jablicator and rsync, I had about ten minutes work to create a new mirror of our database server. |
| 14:16.10 | rom | I would like it to create relative symlinks |
| 14:16.18 | rom | (my girlfriend won't use a shell lol) |
| 14:16.27 | valdyn | rom: #kde or report a bug against konqueror |
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| 14:16.45 | pmv_ | rom, you can duplicate your symlinks, except this time point them to the local mounts |
| 14:16.52 | pmv_ | dirty, but it will work |
| 14:17.03 | jim_p | !ntfs-3g |
| 14:17.03 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 14:17.11 | pmv_ | btw, is this a lan or a remote box? |
| 14:17.19 | pmv_ | sshfs aint the fastest |
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| 14:17.59 | valdyn | i doubt he'd be using sshfs if its speed was a bottleneck or primary concern |
| 14:18.00 | UserReg_CL | hi... need have support for IMQ in etch... |
| 14:18.17 | simonrvn | !tell BeckVOIP -about ask |
| 14:18.21 | Justin | sshfs isn't that slow actually |
| 14:18.24 | pmv_ | you never know |
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| 14:18.27 | rom | for me sshfs is faster than nfs |
| 14:18.30 | simonrvn | !tell BeckVOIP -about smart questions |
| 14:18.42 | rom | for example with nfs, I can't read HD movies remotely (on lan) |
| 14:18.46 | pmv_ | really? |
| 14:18.46 | rom | while with sshfs it works |
| 14:19.02 | Justin | individual file operations can be slow, but streaming files will go as fast as 'scp' |
| 14:19.03 | pmv_ | that may be a problem with your nfs setup, not necessarily with nfs |
| 14:19.09 | rom | maybe |
| 14:19.19 | pmv_ | well scp is slow too |
| 14:19.21 | rom | but I need sshfs to allow "w flag" |
| 14:19.22 | Justin | yeah, on a lan NFS should be faster |
| 14:19.23 | rom | :) |
| 14:19.31 | pmv_ | the fact that you are using an encrypted tunnel is undeniable |
| 14:19.43 | valdyn | it certainly uses more cpu |
| 14:19.46 | pmv_ | there are uses for it, but for a LAN it is usually overkill |
| 14:19.48 | Justin | now, compare sshfs to nfs4+krb5p, that is a different story |
| 14:19.50 | valdyn | but it is not significantly slower to streaming |
| 14:19.52 | rom | and to access my file remotely |
| 14:19.59 | valdyn | but it is not significantly slower for streaming |
| 14:20.03 | Justin | at least on linux, nfs+krb5p is slow and buggy |
| 14:20.04 | pmv_ | well streaming is fine |
| 14:20.08 | rom | yes maybe in theory it a bit slower... but it practice, no problem |
| 14:20.12 | rom | and it's secure |
| 14:20.19 | pmv_ | ya, whatever works I guess |
| 14:20.21 | rom | so I can write or do what I want |
| 14:20.52 | Justin | with my laptop, the bottleneck is the wireless (about 2.5MB/s) at that rate, nfs and sshfs perform the same for streaming, nfs is a little faster for things like 'find' or 'rm -rf' |
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| 14:24.25 | davedorm | help!! |
| 14:24.27 | davedorm | LOL |
| 14:24.39 | simonrvn | ... |
| 14:24.39 | davedorm | I am having issues with almost any distro |
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| 14:24.49 | pmv_ | waits for details |
| 14:24.51 | davedorm | powersaved / powernowd |
| 14:25.08 | valdyn | !fix davedorm |
| 14:25.08 | dpkg | takes davedorm to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 14:25.10 | davedorm | locks up 5 different livecd installs AND barfs on the debian netinst |
| 14:25.19 | davedorm | haha |
| 14:25.20 | davedorm | ok |
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| 14:25.37 | davedorm | I have found no way to bypass them |
| 14:25.44 | frcc | hello everybody.....how can I find out what video chipset installed on my motherboard??? |
| 14:25.48 | valdyn | davedorm: powersaved and powernowd are quite different things |
| 14:25.54 | davedorm | well, ok |
| 14:26.00 | valdyn | davedorm: they just have one feature in common |
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| 14:26.06 | davedorm | on *buntu powernowd locks |
| 14:26.11 | simonrvn | ...maybe it's your hardware... |
| 14:26.14 | davedorm | on Mepis powersaved locks |
| 14:26.20 | davedorm | I am sure it is |
| 14:26.30 | davedorm | I just don't know how to fix it |
| 14:26.33 | valdyn | davedorm: we dont support mepis nor ubuntu |
| 14:26.37 | pmv_ | davedorm, platform? |
| 14:26.39 | davedorm | I know |
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| 14:26.42 | pmv_ | frcc, lspci |
| 14:26.47 | davedorm | Pentium D |
| 14:26.47 | pmv_ | frcc, dmesg too |
| 14:26.58 | pmv_ | davedorm, laptop? desktop? motherboard? |
| 14:27.02 | davedorm | desktop |
| 14:27.11 | davedorm | not sure of mobo |
| 14:27.11 | pmv_ | chipset? |
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| 14:27.17 | valdyn | davedorm: why are you using either of those tools? |
| 14:27.29 | davedorm | because the installer livecd loads them |
| 14:27.35 | davedorm | I have no control over it |
| 14:27.37 | valdyn | davedorm: you know you dont need either for goal i suspect ( why didnt you tell us yet? ) |
| 14:27.43 | davedorm | and Debiab won't install |
| 14:27.50 | frcc | 2pmv_ ...tnx) |
| 14:27.56 | davedorm | Deb barfs hard |
| 14:28.22 | pmv_ | davedorm, you can try noacpi |
| 14:28.29 | davedorm | tried that |
| 14:28.44 | valdyn | davedorm: you should try giving real error messages, not "barfs hard" |
| 14:29.09 | davedorm | Debian netinst loads and then it does not see the hdd after grub is innstalled |
| 14:29.15 | simonrvn | that's pretty bad barfing, 'hard barf' |
| 14:29.19 | davedorm | goes to that stupid ethernet boot |
| 14:29.41 | davedorm | only live cd I can get to load is Damn Small and gOS |
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| 14:29.58 | iateadonut | something like, "goes all gooble-doo gock" is much more informative. |
| 14:30.10 | davedorm | yeah whatever, lol |
| 14:30.18 | valdyn | ./j #bad-metaphor-competition |
| 14:30.24 | davedorm | it really doesn't give a message |
| 14:30.53 | davedorm | as the livecd boots it hangs on "starting poer management daemon" and freezes |
| 14:30.58 | valdyn | davedorm: at the very least it gets stuck at a very specific point |
| 14:31.03 | davedorm | yes |
| 14:31.06 | valdyn | davedorm: dont tell us, tell us where debian hangs |
| 14:31.16 | valdyn | davedorm: those livecds are supported elsewhere |
| 14:31.26 | davedorm | Debian loads fine, takes me through the netinst |
| 14:31.35 | rom | pmv_: what if I create normal links (not symbolic) |
| 14:31.41 | rom | it seems to work |
| 14:31.41 | davedorm | then after it loads GRUB and reboots, it does not boot... |
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| 14:31.51 | valdyn | rom: hardlinks work |
| 14:31.57 | davedorm | it "forgets" the hdd, says "no bootable device" |
| 14:32.02 | iateadonut | but grub loads, right? |
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| 14:32.05 | davedorm | no |
| 14:32.08 | davedorm | not at all |
| 14:32.09 | valdyn | rom: but they are different things, im not sure they are what you really want |
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| 14:32.23 | rom | but how can I know what file is pointed |
| 14:32.26 | rom | by the hardlink |
| 14:32.31 | rom | (what other hardlinks) |
| 14:32.31 | pmv_ | rom, yup. hardlinks link to the inode, not the symbolic names |
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| 14:32.45 | valdyn | rom: a hardlink is the same file |
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| 14:32.51 | lontra | is exim4 an essential package? i.e. can it be removed? |
| 14:32.54 | rom | yes, but how can I list the hardlinks |
| 14:32.54 | valdyn | rom: it doesnt really point to a file |
| 14:32.56 | rom | of one file |
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| 14:33.05 | valdyn | rom: you cant do that easily |
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| 14:33.13 | pmv_ | rom, basically, a hardlink is a file |
| 14:33.14 | pmv_ | the same file |
| 14:33.19 | rom | for example, how can I know that /albums/myphoto is the same file as /photo/myphoto |
| 14:33.36 | pmv_ | ah |
| 14:33.36 | Fenix|work | Greetings. I need some help with `find`. I want to find files based on their create time, not atime, ctime or mtime |
| 14:33.37 | pmv_ | sec |
| 14:33.42 | Fenix|work | anyway to do that with find? |
| 14:33.43 | valdyn | rom: a hardlink is the same file, meaning its a reference to the same data as the original is a reference to the same data |
| 14:34.05 | zinx | rom: if you've really hardlinked them, check the inode |
| 14:34.06 | rom | yes, valdyn, but how can I know that 2 "files" are in fact the same |
| 14:34.18 | rom | for example |
| 14:34.26 | rom | $ amagiccommand myphoto.jpg |
| 14:34.28 | zinx | rom: if the inode is the same, then they are the same |
| 14:34.35 | rom | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.46 | rom | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.46 | valdyn | rom: stat is that magic command |
| 14:34.47 | rom | ... |
| 14:34.52 | pmv_ | rom, man stat, readlink |
| 14:34.54 | zinx | rom: you will have to search the entire drive for files with the same inode if the link count is > 1 |
| 14:35.09 | zinx | rom: assuming they're really hardlinked, as you said, and not soft linked somehow |
| 14:35.16 | rom | arf, not what I want : |
| 14:35.17 | rom | :( |
| 14:35.19 | rom | ... |
| 14:35.25 | valdyn | rom: you want to use relative symlinks |
| 14:35.30 | zinx | rom: also, if you really just need to know if they're the same, then you can just check to see if the inodes match |
| 14:35.36 | valdyn | rom: though i wonder why you are needing symlinks at all |
| 14:35.40 | rom | how to know the inode |
| 14:35.46 | valdyn | rom: "stat file" |
| 14:35.49 | rom | ah stat |
| 14:35.50 | rom | ok |
| 14:35.51 | rom | :) |
| 14:35.55 | pmv_ | heh :) |
| 14:35.55 | rom | not really user-friendly |
| 14:36.05 | valdyn | rom: hardlinks are what they are |
| 14:36.10 | rom | ;) |
| 14:36.11 | valdyn | rom: they are not made for this |
| 14:36.16 | simonrvn | Fenix|work: no. no such concept in unix |
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| 14:36.29 | rom | because another problem with symlinks |
| 14:36.30 | valdyn | rom: their nature makes them what you call "not userfriendly" |
| 14:36.31 | Fenix|work | simonrvn, bummer |
| 14:36.53 | rom | if I create a link into /2008/newyear |
| 14:36.56 | rom | and after I move it |
| 14:37.00 | valdyn | rom: the original file is just as much a hardlink as the "hardlink" you created |
| 14:37.04 | rom | into for example /2008/otherdir |
| 14:37.07 | rom | sorry |
| 14:37.12 | rom | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.19 | rom | the relative link is not updated |
| 14:37.23 | valdyn | rom: tell us what you really want to do |
| 14:37.26 | rom | and points to ../.. |
| 14:37.35 | rom | what I want to do : |
| 14:37.53 | rom | I have my photos in /media/tux/photos/(yyyy-mm-dd)/CIMGxxxx.JPG |
| 14:38.02 | rom | I created a dir /media/tux/photos/albums |
| 14:38.06 | simonrvn | ctime is changed time, mtime modified time, and atime is access time; each one specifies a different action depending on what is done to the file |
| 14:38.16 | rom | where I want to create "semantic" directories, instead of dates |
| 14:38.27 | rom | ...../albums/Birthday/... |
| 14:38.31 | valdyn | rom: ok, thats what a relational database is made for. |
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| 14:39.12 | rom | Do you think I have to use a relational database only for managing my photos? |
| 14:39.15 | valdyn | rom: files are only good for so much |
| 14:39.15 | themill | rom: sounds like you really want to use something like digikam to manage your photos and use tagging |
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| 14:39.33 | rom | Yes, but I wanted to be independant of software |
| 14:39.33 | rjent | Greetings, I am stuck on this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471650 could someone assist in getting my sid system back up? |
| 14:39.44 | rom | if later I leave digikam for "thenewsupersoftware" |
| 14:39.45 | valdyn | rom: you want to use an application that already exists for catalogueing your photos |
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| 14:40.06 | themill | rom: you can configure digikam to store the tags in the photo themselves. You can also extract from digikam into a link farm. |
| 14:40.09 | valdyn | rom: but, relational databases arent really harder to use than files |
| 14:40.20 | valdyn | rom: ( for the limited subset of features that you need ) |
| 14:40.50 | jamesfff | Hello, i've got a debian etch net install |
| 14:40.51 | themill | rom: Digikam's db is just an sqlite db so it's easy to get stuff out later if you need. I had the same worries with my own photo collection but decided that digikam could do it for me quite nicely. |
| 14:40.55 | jamesfff | How do i make a very minimal linux install? |
| 14:41.12 | valdyn | jamesfff: install debian, dont pick any tasks |
| 14:41.16 | Justin | f-spot uses sqlite too |
| 14:41.21 | rom | ok... |
| 14:41.31 | rom | so I have to use "tags" |
| 14:41.35 | rom | to do what I want? |
| 14:41.46 | valdyn | rom: thats just one possible solution |
| 14:42.04 | jamesfff | How big is that install? |
| 14:42.07 | jamesfff | Do you know? |
| 14:42.22 | pmv_ | rom, that is one elegant solution |
| 14:42.24 | pmv_ | there are others |
| 14:42.25 | Justin | jamesfff: how minimal is minimal? |
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| 14:42.34 | jamesfff | Yeah i mean what sorta size do i need on the disk for that |
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| 14:44.18 | simonrvn | yeh but f-spot has this dep on beagle... whcih is the my main complaint about it |
| 14:44.18 | valdyn | rom: i think having the complete relevant meta info embedded into each photo will allow you the most flexibility |
| 14:44.34 | jamesfff | And do you know where i can search sources for debian etch? I'm trying to find out if there is a HAProxy package |
| 14:44.44 | Justin | jamesfff: packages.debian.org |
| 14:44.45 | valdyn | !beagle |
| 14:44.45 | dpkg | from memory, beagle is http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/DebianInstall |
| 14:44.50 | valdyn | gah |
| 14:44.59 | valdyn | should be a beagle must die factoid |
| 14:45.38 | jamesfff | I'm following a guide here for debian etch and it says i need to add lenny sources. Problem is i've done that and did an update and it installed another 300mb of crap so i want to avoid that :) |
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| 14:45.54 | valdyn | jamesfff: why do you think its crap? |
| 14:45.56 | RichiH | hmm, to trust a new root cert, do i need to do more than to copy the self-signed certificate into /etc/ssl/certs? |
| 14:46.11 | valdyn | jamesfff: whats the issue with a complete OS that is only 300mb? |
| 14:46.24 | jamesfff | valdyn : well it's 300mb more than i need! |
| 14:46.32 | jamesfff | It added 300mb of updates |
| 14:46.37 | simonrvn | valdyn: i'm using tracker which has replaced beagle here, a lot more friendly to this p3/500 box ;) |
| 14:46.44 | valdyn | jamesfff: an update isnt an add |
| 14:46.48 | valdyn | simonrvn: yea, i know tracker |
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| 14:46.52 | valdyn | simonrvn: thats "ok" |
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| 14:47.23 | simonrvn | newbie to the channel suggested it to someone else... so far living up to expectation |
| 14:47.35 | pmv_ | embedding metadata into a specific filetype is inelegant |
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| 14:47.39 | jamesfff | I suspect for my needs a linux OS of 10MB would be more than enough ahaha |
| 14:47.49 | valdyn | jamesfff: what do you need? |
| 14:47.50 | pmv_ | there are better solutions, like a centralized metadata db |
| 14:47.55 | valdyn | jamesfff: i mean, which features? |
| 14:48.13 | rom | OK, thank you for your help (I spend about 3 hours to do my shell script to convert .lnk to ln -s lol), but I will use digikam |
| 14:48.15 | pmv_ | microsoft had a crack at it, but it did not make vista |
| 14:48.17 | rom | another question |
| 14:48.18 | valdyn | jamesfff: 10mb does not even suffice for debians kernel |
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| 14:48.37 | pmv_ | jamesfff, google tomsrtbt |
| 14:48.39 | pmv_ | ;) |
| 14:48.41 | jamesfff | valdyn : I only need to be able to run HAProxy which as far as i know does not require much at all |
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| 14:48.54 | rom | Is there a software on vista which can read data written by digikam (in the same way) |
| 14:48.56 | pmv_ | jamesfff, there is also damn small linux |
| 14:49.01 | valdyn | jamesfff: well, its an app, it will require libc6 at the very least |
| 14:49.05 | jamesfff | Just Linux 2.4 + epoll |
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| 14:49.26 | azeem | rom: how is that related to Debian? |
| 14:49.30 | valdyn | jamesfff: dont bother using debian for this, its not made for that |
| 14:49.31 | pmv_ | rom, there is exif. I am not aware of any external standard metadata format |
| 14:49.51 | jamesfff | valdyn : Why do you say that? |
| 14:50.01 | valdyn | jamesfff: because its a fact. |
| 14:50.01 | rom | it is related because I have 2 pc with kubuntu, I and am looking for a way to allow my girlfriend to access data :) |
| 14:50.07 | pmv_ | jamesfff, debian is not meant to be an embedded platform |
| 14:50.21 | pmv_ | jamesfff, you might want to look at LEAF, damn small linux, and the like |
| 14:50.25 | valdyn | jamesfff: debians package database is COMPRESSED 7mb |
| 14:50.26 | azeem | rom: neither kubuntu nor vista are on topic here |
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| 14:50.36 | jamesfff | I'm not building an embedded platform :) I'm just saying that actually debian is probably overkill for what i want but i'm happy with that because it's still fairly small |
| 14:50.36 | azeem | rom: please ask in the appropriate channels |
| 14:50.37 | ringo999 | hi, when trying to start x I get "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting". using root it works. I've also chown the local .XAuthority file to the user. What to do? |
| 14:50.39 | pmv_ | rom, exif |
| 14:50.47 | DANNX | hi all :) |
| 14:50.52 | rom | yes, but kubuntu~debian... we talked about digikam, so ... :) |
| 14:50.59 | rom | ok pmv_ |
| 14:51.00 | rom | :) |
| 14:51.08 | simonrvn | pmv_: emdebian? :) |
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| 14:51.27 | azeem | rom: kubuntu is off-topic here |
| 14:51.30 | pmv_ | rom, that is as close to standard as you can get |
| 14:51.31 | azeem | !ubuntu |
| 14:51.31 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:51.51 | rom | azeem: I don't talk about kubuntu... |
| 14:52.03 | rom | except I said that it is my os :) |
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| 14:52.17 | azeem | yeah, you're talking about vist |
| 14:52.17 | azeem | a |
| 14:52.48 | valdyn | jamesfff: so live with debian being ~300mb sized at a minimum at upgrading everything will obviously not shrink the system but exchange 300mb+ worth of files |
| 14:52.48 | azeem | if you have a Debian question, ask it, otherwise please be either quiet or leave |
| 14:53.01 | rom | yeah, because what I am doing on my linux would be accessible on external world :D |
| 14:53.03 | rom | :p |
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| 14:53.08 | rom | Thank you all for your help |
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| 14:53.26 | rom | good bye |
| 14:53.30 | jamesfff | Yeah I'm happy to go with Debian as it's still a complete OS as it were |
| 14:53.56 | jamesfff | So i still have the luxury of being able to do normal server things if i need. I don't want a linux so stripped down i need to recompile the damn kernel just to install nano |
| 14:54.06 | valdyn | jamesfff: now - one could shrink this manually, but its not worth the trouble |
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| 14:54.38 | quentusrex | I need to create a vpn service so that over 1000 debian mobile boxes will vpn into my system(that has a static public ip) so that I can administrate them. Does anyone know how to set this up? |
| 14:54.54 | jamesfff | Yes make sure you have a very powerful machine |
| 14:54.58 | jamesfff | 1000 VPN streams = ouch |
| 14:55.14 | quentusrex | is there a way to have a vpn cluster? |
| 14:55.16 | valdyn | or give each user only very limited bandwidth |
| 14:55.21 | jamesfff | Yes it's very hard |
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| 14:55.28 | pmv_ | quentusrex, define vpn |
| 14:55.31 | quentusrex | each user will need to have about 400kbit/s |
| 14:55.33 | pmv_ | specifically which |
| 14:55.58 | azeem | quentusrex: look into intelligent admin solutions, maybe |
| 14:56.23 | pmv_ | because this can be done with something as simple as ssh |
| 14:56.47 | quentusrex | Here is what I need to do: |
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| 14:57.09 | mavhc | firstly you need to know how to administrate 1000 debian computers |
| 14:57.10 | quentusrex | My company has over 1000 portable laptops for it's sales staff and other staff. |
| 14:57.18 | quentusrex | mavhc, I've got that. |
| 14:57.25 | darkstego_ | which package provides /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ? |
| 14:57.32 | azeem | darkstego_: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:57.46 | darkstego_ | azeem: search yields nothing |
| 14:57.46 | jamesfff | You install debian on laptops ? wow :) |
| 14:57.54 | jamesfff | I mean like company laptops |
| 14:57.56 | quentusrex | The company wants me to set something up so that all the machines automatically when connected to the internet log into our vpn(or ssh) system. |
| 14:57.58 | azeem | darkstego_: why do you need that file? |
| 14:58.09 | valdyn | quentusrex: obviously you dont really need to support 3000 concurrent users vpn? |
| 14:58.13 | darkstego_ | azeem: I get it in a back trace |
| 14:58.14 | pmv_ | quentusrex, use ssh. no need to complicate this. |
| 14:58.23 | jamesfff | quentusrex : Sounds like VPN would be a requirements especially if your talking important data and stuff. |
| 14:58.27 | azeem | darkstego_: for which app? |
| 14:58.32 | darkstego_ | azeem: amarok |
| 14:58.39 | azeem | darkstego_: also, did you read the full search factoid? |
| 14:58.44 | azeem | cause I can find it no problem |
| 14:58.49 | pmv_ | quentusrex, you can use ssh to reverse tunnel, so that the admin box has access to all clients too |
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| 14:58.54 | jamesfff | quentusrex : if its just administration (install app, change settings whatever) then you can create an SSH tunnel to do the same. |
| 14:59.00 | quentusrex | well, I need to be able for them to transfer company files from the unsecure location where they are, to our secure servers. |
| 14:59.08 | pmv_ | sshfs even |
| 14:59.09 | pmv_ | :) |
| 14:59.10 | quentusrex | AND |
| 14:59.10 | jamesfff | Uh then you want VPN man |
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| 14:59.27 | pmv_ | so far I do not see the need |
| 14:59.28 | quentusrex | I need to be able to push and pull files from them. |
| 14:59.29 | jamesfff | Surely it needs to be encrypted to the highest level |
| 14:59.29 | pmv_ | continue quentusrex |
| 14:59.40 | pmv_ | jamesfff, ssh can do that |
| 15:00.04 | pmv_ | quentusrex, so far all you say can be done with ssh and a well-done PKI |
| 15:00.09 | darkstego_ | azeem: I search my system and it can't find the package that owns this file |
| 15:00.12 | quentusrex | can an ssh server(or cluster) handle 3000+ streams? |
| 15:00.28 | azeem | darkstego_: how did you search? |
| 15:00.35 | pmv_ | quentusrex, it would be a lot lighter than say an L3 VPN, yes |
| 15:00.43 | pmv_ | you need a powerful enough box, sure |
| 15:00.44 | jamesfff | I imagine you still need a very powerful machine though |
| 15:00.50 | quentusrex | pmv_, awesome. |
| 15:00.51 | jamesfff | Or a crypt overload card |
| 15:01.02 | azeem | quentusrex: why do you need 3000 *concurrent* streamsà |
| 15:01.03 | jamesfff | ofboard- |
| 15:01.12 | pmv_ | but I seriously doubt you will need 3000 concurrent |
| 15:01.13 | valdyn | quentusrex: 3000*400kbit on a single host? |
| 15:01.13 | quentusrex | jamesfff, I have 20 servers that I can use for this project. |
| 15:01.19 | azeem | are all notebooks likely to be connected all the time? |
| 15:01.29 | quentusrex | valdyn, right. that's why I think I'll need a cluster for this. |
| 15:01.30 | pmv_ | awesome :) what company do you work for? |
| 15:01.38 | pmv_ | and you have deb on sales laptops? |
| 15:01.43 | quentusrex | pmv_, you know I can't say. |
| 15:01.48 | darkstego_ | azeem: using dpkg -S and /msg dpkg find |
| 15:01.52 | quentusrex | yes. it's more secure. |
| 15:01.54 | pmv_ | yeah, that was rhetorical :) |
| 15:02.00 | quentusrex | debian and ubuntu on all the laptops. |
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| 15:02.05 | pmv_ | valdyn, what you would critically need also is a good strong PKI |
| 15:02.07 | azeem | darkstego_: which arch are you on? |
| 15:02.16 | pmv_ | er |
| 15:02.17 | pmv_ | quentusrex, |
| 15:02.24 | pmv_ | sorry valdyn |
| 15:02.31 | darkstego_ | azeem: AMD64 |
| 15:02.38 | pmv_ | quentusrex, you need to be able to manage all those keys |
| 15:02.40 | quentusrex | yes. it would need really strong authentication. |
| 15:02.56 | azeem | darkstego_: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 15:03.04 | quentusrex | pmv_, and I need to be able to selectively log into any of the machines |
| 15:03.16 | pmv_ | auth is fine. 1024bit keys are good enough. it is distribution and key security you need to worry about. |
| 15:03.25 | azeem | darkstego_: did you compile amarok yourself? |
| 15:03.37 | pmv_ | quentusrex, if you set up ssh reverse tunnels, you should be able to do that. |
| 15:03.41 | darkstego_ | azeem: ii libc6 2.7-9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:03.48 | quentusrex | pmv_, I will have every laptop in my hands to install the keys the first time. But after that they are 'in the wild' |
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| 15:03.51 | darkstego_ | azeem: no, its a debian package |
| 15:04.10 | pmv_ | basically as soon as a client goes online, it logs in via ssh to your admin box. then using the same tunnel, the admin box can log on to the client. |
| 15:04.19 | azeem | darkstego_: is /lib64 a symlink to /lib? |
| 15:04.20 | pmv_ | useful especially when you want to traverse NATs |
| 15:04.24 | quentusrex | pmv_ that is exactly what I need. |
| 15:04.46 | quentusrex | which is why I was thinking I'd need a vpn solution, but if ssh works. then that's great. |
| 15:04.50 | pmv_ | quentusrex, uh oh. note that with key-based auth with keys stored on the laptop, ANYONE using the laptop can log on. |
| 15:05.00 | pmv_ | quentusrex, you need to do training |
| 15:05.02 | quentusrex | pmv_, that is fine. |
| 15:05.06 | pmv_ | at the very least :) |
| 15:05.21 | quentusrex | all of our laptops have biometric logins |
| 15:05.43 | quentusrex | index finger prints, and CaC cards. |
| 15:05.44 | darkstego_ | azeem: yes it is, makes sense now, thanks for the help. |
| 15:05.44 | pmv_ | excellent |
| 15:05.54 | pmv_ | quentusrex, to be perfectly honest, I do not have the exact figures for the kind of scalability involved. it would be interesting to find out. ;) |
| 15:05.54 | themill | quentusrex: do you also want the remote machine's network traffic to go through your central server? or is this just for remote admin and access to files |
| 15:05.56 | quentusrex | and password. |
| 15:06.28 | pmv_ | I would also suggest putting the admin box in a DMZ |
| 15:06.29 | quentusrex | themill, no the remote machines do not have internet access. |
| 15:06.31 | pmv_ | "admin" |
| 15:06.46 | pmv_ | just for redundant security |
| 15:07.24 | quentusrex | themill, the laptops are only there so that they can access and update company files from where ever the hell they are in the world. |
| 15:07.42 | quentusrex | no general internet access from the laptops. |
| 15:07.43 | pmv_ | so basically it is just an ssh gateway, with access to whatever resources you need |
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| 15:07.52 | pmv_ | and only the resources they need |
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| 15:07.53 | quentusrex | pmv_, correct. |
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| 15:08.56 | pmv_ | quentusrex, quite an interesting project |
| 15:09.18 | quentusrex | we have a video conference solution that uses a total of 400kbit that they will need access to as well as I'll need to be able to push updates to them. |
| 15:09.26 | quentusrex | pmv_, yup. |
| 15:09.37 | pmv_ | hmm |
| 15:09.44 | pmv_ | note that ssh is not exactly a full L3 VPN |
| 15:10.29 | pmv_ | so you might need to forward ports per service |
| 15:10.29 | quentusrex | that's fine. |
| 15:10.30 | pmv_ | if it gets too complicated, maybe an actual VPN might turn out to be more scalable |
| 15:10.30 | quentusrex | I'll know exactly what to allow and what not to allow |
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| 15:11.01 | quentusrex | well, I'll look into both. |
| 15:11.10 | quentusrex | Do you know of a howto on the L3 vpn? |
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| 15:11.18 | quentusrex | or the ssh gateway with reverse tunnels? |
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| 15:11.37 | pmv_ | quentusrex, openvpn is okay |
| 15:11.38 | jamesfff | Look at openVPN |
| 15:11.45 | pmv_ | as for rev tunnels, sec |
| 15:11.56 | pmv_ | well, I was about to google, so I suppose you can do that as well :p |
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| 15:12.26 | pmv_ | basically you forward client:22 to admin:portX |
| 15:12.34 | quentusrex | I've looked at openvpn, but I haven't been able to find a howto as to how to cluster the vpn gateway |
| 15:12.40 | jamesfff | quentusrex : what you are looking for is quite a complex system. Some guys are only employed just to look after big VPN installations like this |
| 15:12.43 | pmv_ | then the admin can ssh to admin:portX |
| 15:13.09 | quentusrex | jamesfff, I agree. I'm going to build it. and we have two IT guys who will manage it. |
| 15:13.14 | pmv_ | no kidding :) |
| 15:13.24 | pmv_ | take note of future requirements also |
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| 15:13.43 | Younix | how do you know what runlevel you're at |
| 15:13.48 | pmv_ | there are things SSH cannot do, or might be overkill to use |
| 15:14.33 | azeem | Younix: run "/sbin/runlevel" |
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| 15:15.31 | pmv_ | quentusrex, note also that SSH might not be allowed in certain networks your field guys might find themselves in |
| 15:15.44 | Younix | azeem: okay |
| 15:15.47 | jamesfff | quentusrex : If you need a solid solution then hacking openVPN is probably not the best thing to do |
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| 15:15.59 | jamesfff | quentusrex : i dont think it supports VPN clustering of any kind |
| 15:16.13 | quentusrex | is there a solution out there that would? |
| 15:16.18 | jamesfff | Yes, Cisco |
| 15:16.26 | quentusrex | :( |
| 15:16.29 | pmv_ | there are vpn-specific routers, yeah |
| 15:16.44 | pmv_ | I know companies that use PPTP for this too |
| 15:16.52 | quentusrex | I am pretty sure that we'll have more traffic than one piece of hardware can handle. |
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| 15:17.27 | pmv_ | I am sure cisco would be happy to help you with scaling up :) |
| 15:17.51 | quentusrex | pmv_, and charge us an arm, a leg, and two first born sons as well. |
| 15:18.02 | jamesfff | quentusrex : cisco 5540. Will support 650MB throughput, 5000 remote access VPNS and will do VPN clustering |
| 15:18.02 | pmv_ | but if you are okay with the requirements of SSH |
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| 15:18.29 | pmv_ | that is, it is an L3 service, does not provide native L3 VPN, etc etc |
| 15:18.33 | pmv_ | it is actually not hard to scale |
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| 15:19.00 | ComeT | good day |
| 15:19.06 | jamesfff | Its like $10k for the base package. and then you need another few dollars for the license to run as many VPN users as you need. (comes with like 500 by default) |
| 15:19.15 | pmv_ | even something like a round-robin distribution to a bunch of ssh gateways would do |
| 15:19.28 | jamesfff | Seems like a cheaper sollution than having to hack together a VPN/SSH setup when you count man hours |
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| 15:19.48 | quentusrex | jamesfff, man hours are free for us. |
| 15:19.50 | ComeT | does cd1 contain any desktop environments? |
| 15:19.52 | quentusrex | :) |
| 15:19.56 | pmv_ | haha |
| 15:19.59 | jamesfff | Since when were man hours free? |
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| 15:20.00 | pmv_ | you working from china? :p |
| 15:20.05 | pmv_ | jus kidding |
| 15:20.24 | jamesfff | So you have people that work for free? |
| 15:20.27 | jamesfff | Can you hook me up |
| 15:20.30 | jamesfff | 1 will do. |
| 15:20.36 | quentusrex | haha, no. |
| 15:20.36 | pmv_ | :p |
| 15:20.47 | pmv_ | plenty people with free time on their hands :p |
| 15:20.52 | quentusrex | yup. |
| 15:21.24 | pmv_ | same with where I work. even as a team lead I am tapped to do interesting side-projects frequently |
| 15:21.27 | pmv_ | :) |
| 15:21.32 | ComeT | does the first installation cd contain any desktop environments? |
| 15:21.33 | jamesfff | Yeah but comon thats still worth money |
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| 15:21.34 | quentusrex | :) |
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| 15:22.07 | jamesfff | When my company looks at sollutions we need to budget our time as well. I mean it's no good saying x sollution is free if it means 2000 man hours to make it work and y solution is £20k but only takes 100 hours :) |
| 15:22.12 | pmv_ | quentusrex, seriously though, if you can afford pipes that big, you probably already have cisco in your house anyway |
| 15:22.13 | quentusrex | jamesfff, we'd rather be self dependant for our IT. Rather than farm the support out to Cisco |
| 15:22.15 | pmv_ | am I wrong? |
| 15:22.27 | pmv_ | or at least redback or another of those guys |
| 15:22.34 | jamesfff | quentusrex : dont need to farm the support to cisco. cisco dont support you. You need to run that equipment yourself |
| 15:22.44 | quentusrex | pmv_, yes. But we only want their hardware. No software or 'magic support'. |
| 15:22.48 | pmv_ | haha |
| 15:22.49 | jamesfff | It's just going to be alot easier to setup, configure, maintain and crucially fix when it breaks. |
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| 15:23.10 | ComeT | does the first installation cd contain any desktop environments? |
| 15:23.13 | pmv_ | still, yeah. cant get much simpler than plain ssh. |
| 15:23.17 | jamesfff | Cisco well sell you support but i've never heard of anyone relyin on it. You still need in house guys with the knowledge because you cant call them for everything |
| 15:23.45 | quentusrex | Also, most of our resources are at an offsite data hosting center. |
| 15:23.55 | quentusrex | or our office guys will need to connect into this too. |
| 15:24.02 | quentusrex | so our office* |
| 15:24.11 | quentusrex | This is why I'd rather roll it ourselves. |
| 15:24.18 | quentusrex | with component hardware. |
| 15:24.27 | pmv_ | quentusrex, mind telling us what business your company is in? |
| 15:24.35 | pmv_ | you guys seem pretty tech-savvy |
| 15:24.41 | pmv_ | or is it just you (and your group) |
| 15:24.47 | jamesfff | Seriously if you want a proper business sollution then consider Cisco stuff. It's not expensive and there are alot of business reasons why its good to go with something like that |
| 15:24.50 | pmv_ | or should I say, linux savvy |
| 15:24.54 | quentusrex | I'm just the head IT guy here. |
| 15:25.18 | quentusrex | our sales and other staff arent' nearly as IT savvy |
| 15:25.42 | jamesfff | I'm head IT guy at a small company (50 employees) and I've put cisco firewalls in replacing linux hardware boxes just because it's so much easier to maintain. So we dont need to employ more staff to take the load |
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| 15:26.10 | jamesfff | So rather than a £200 box to do the same thing, spend £1200 but suddenly it takes 1/100th of the maintenance time :) |
| 15:26.15 | pmv_ | why the 3k laptops out there then? |
| 15:26.26 | C0meT | Does the first installation CD contain any desktop environments? |
| 15:26.27 | pmv_ | oh wait |
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| 15:26.33 | pmv_ | no, wrong guy :p |
| 15:26.35 | quentusrex | my IT staff has about 50 guys supporting our IT 'internals' |
| 15:26.42 | kqrdeb | uuh, grub-install says "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device." what is this caused of and how to fix it? |
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| 15:27.08 | quentusrex | pmv_, it's not just laptops out there. The office staff needs to remote into our datacenter as well. |
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| 15:28.00 | quentusrex | I want all connections to go through the same vpn or ssh system. |
| 15:28.04 | C0meT | where do I find the debian help channel |
| 15:28.10 | jamesfff | quentusrex : you need VPN not SSH. |
| 15:28.54 | jamesfff | quentusrex : for what you are doing, remote access and so forth, SSH is just not going to meet all your needs IMO. it will do most of it but it's gonna mean alot of your time getting it to work |
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| 15:29.37 | jamesfff | Are your clients various operating systems? |
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| 15:29.46 | quentusrex | then it sounds like I'm back to my original question: What open source vpn solution will allow for a round robin to different physical gateways? |
| 15:29.59 | quentusrex | jamesfff, no. They will all be debian based. |
| 15:30.15 | themill | C0meT: depending on which cd you get, the 1st cd contains either gnome, kde or xfcw |
| 15:30.19 | themill | *e |
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| 15:30.34 | quentusrex | I will also be rolling out the *.deb updates through this connection. |
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| 15:30.56 | jamesfff | I cant think of a reason why you cant load up two openVPN servers, duplicate the configuration and then just load balance those connections |
| 15:31.14 | quentusrex | jamesfff, that's what I was thinking.... |
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| 15:32.31 | stew | kqrdeb: are you running it in a chroot? |
| 15:32.42 | jamesfff | quentusrex : apparantly you can do this on the openVPN client |
| 15:33.04 | jamesfff | quentusrex : you can specify multiple servers and have the openVPN client randomly choose one, and then go through the list until it finds one that lets it connect |
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| 15:33.06 | C0meT | themill: just asking because I can't get my wireless connection working with the netinstall |
| 15:33.28 | jamesfff | quentusrex : could be a very easy way to set it up. just create a bunch of DNS entrys, VPN1.whatefer.com VPN2.whatefer.com |
| 15:33.35 | themill | C0meT: what wireless chip do you have? It is unlikely to be supported by the netinstall. |
| 15:33.36 | pmv_ | jamesfff, trial and error is bad.. true round-robin would be better |
| 15:33.39 | eliran | fun |
| 15:34.00 | quentusrex | pmv_, but a true round robin won't be most efficient. |
| 15:34.02 | jamesfff | pmv_ : you can do that too but round robin doesn't work in this situation as its client site |
| 15:34.08 | quentusrex | some connections will last longer than others. |
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| 15:34.17 | pmv_ | if you just try each server in sequence, you might end up being able to connect, but that server will be overloaded and the others just idle |
| 15:34.21 | C0meT | themill: Realtek 8187B |
| 15:34.25 | kqrdeb | stew: a chroot? |
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| 15:34.33 | pmv_ | quentusrex, good point |
| 15:34.40 | jamesfff | pmv_ : no you just set max user levels on a server basis |
| 15:34.45 | quentusrex | pmv_ that's why I would set each server not to allow new connections if there are already x connections |
| 15:34.48 | jamesfff | pmv : so each server only takes 500 |
| 15:34.52 | quentusrex | right. |
| 15:34.53 | pmv_ | jamesfff, that makes sense. |
| 15:35.03 | jamesfff | might take a couple gos for a client to connect but thats no big deal |
| 15:35.11 | quentusrex | yeah, that's no problem. |
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| 15:35.20 | jamesfff | Obviously need to make sure network setup on each vpn end point is the same |
| 15:35.38 | jamesfff | You also have a problem if you need specific rules for specific users, thats something that cisco is very good at. |
| 15:35.39 | quentusrex | I need one single point(or cluster) to handle all the auth though. |
| 15:35.44 | jamesfff | OpenVPN as far as i know is quite bad at that |
| 15:36.03 | pmv_ | jamesfff, what kind of rules would be involved? |
| 15:36.13 | jamesfff | Well its not bad at it but it doesn't tie in with the firewall side of things, its just a VPN end point |
| 15:36.32 | pmv_ | ah, I see |
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| 15:36.40 | jamesfff | For example with cisco. I can create a user that has VPN access and then lock them to a specific set of IPS. so remote workers that only need access to 1 particular server. |
| 15:36.42 | pmv_ | well in some ways, that is a good thing |
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| 15:37.01 | jamesfff | I dont know how possible that is with openVPN |
| 15:37.08 | pmv_ | you can keep it simple at that point then implement more stringent rules at the next hop |
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| 15:37.38 | jamesfff | Yeah i'm sure its possible |
| 15:37.41 | pmv_ | how is a VPN session exposed at the VPN? PPTP? does it have its own IP or interface (as with freebsd) |
| 15:37.49 | themill | C0meT: you have no chance of that working with the etch netinstall. You have some chance of that working with a newer kernel installer (/msg dpkg kmuto). /msg dpkg rtl8187 |
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| 15:37.55 | pmv_ | *freebsd netgraph, that is |
| 15:38.03 | jamesfff | Usually just end up on a dedicated IP so all users go through that IP |
| 15:38.32 | pmv_ | I see |
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| 15:38.53 | pmv_ | cisco is pretty good with virtual networking |
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| 15:39.05 | C0meT | themill: well I guess the next best thing would be to use the installation cd |
| 15:39.19 | pmv_ | good enough to take on as a challenge |
| 15:39.19 | pmv_ | :) |
| 15:39.30 | cedric3 | hi who can help me i have webservice (soap php) but it not work |
| 15:39.37 | pmv_ | cedric3, go to #php |
| 15:39.50 | cedric3 | pmv :) thanks |
| 15:39.52 | pmv_ | they might help |
| 15:41.07 | quentusrex | pmv_, I have faith that me and my team can create something just as powerful as cisco. |
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| 15:41.11 | pmv_ | quentusrex, I agree. openvpn |
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| 15:41.24 | pmv_ | quentusrex, I agree. openvpn might be the more sustainable solution here |
| 15:41.28 | quentusrex | and ours will run on component hardware. |
| 15:41.28 | jamesfff | quentusrex : with openVPN you usually manage users away from the VPN endpoints, for security. So you create a new user and then that creates a new base file which is encrypted and then goes onto the VPN server. You can probably setup a single box (that is backed up) for user management and then just sync the end points whenever you make changes. |
| 15:41.34 | pmv_ | it is a more general solution |
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| 15:42.21 | pmv_ | quentusrex, as for doing what cisco can do, I have am optimistic about that as well ;-) |
| 15:42.40 | themill | C0meT: that wireless chip is a real pain to work with. If you can do a wired install or a CD install and then compile it you have a reasonable chance of getting it working. The kmuto installer might also work but I've long since ditched that chipset to be able to try it out to know. |
| 15:42.54 | pmv_ | it is generally doable to implement a certain service, if that is all you need |
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| 15:43.16 | jamesfff | I'm sure you can do everything cisco can if you have the man power available. I mentioned cisco because effectively it will do what you want in a single box for a single fixed price. Projects are the opposite :) Not to say thats a wrong way to do it. Just depends on the circumstances! |
| 15:43.30 | pmv_ | what I like about cisco is that their platform is very well-designed -- services are very well-integrated |
| 15:43.55 | jamesfff | Good luck, sounds like a bitch of a problem but if you get it to work well then :) :) :) |
| 15:43.57 | C0meT | themill: I got it working thorugh ndiswrapper, with ubuntu |
| 15:44.01 | pmv_ | it is not a trivial thing, designing a single general-purpose network appliance platform |
| 15:44.03 | webustany | hi there |
| 15:44.19 | webustany | is it easy to do multilib with debian (ie libc for 32 and 64 bits) ? |
| 15:44.46 | quentusrex | jamesfff, I agree. that for a turn key solution cisco would be great. But I'm not on the market for such a solution. I want to customize an in house solution. |
| 15:44.49 | themill | C0meT: the real linux drivers would be better than ndiswrapper |
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| 15:44.53 | themill | oh ffs... |
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| 15:45.20 | pmv_ | webustany, not sure about multilib, but 32-bit emulation works well enough |
| 15:45.32 | webustany | I just want to compile binaries with -m32 |
| 15:45.36 | cornet | anyone know how i can get sun-java5-jdk to install non-interactively |
| 15:45.36 | webustany | no more... |
| 15:45.52 | webustany | pmv_: I searched for different versions of gcc with aptitude |
| 15:45.54 | cornet | /usr/bin/aptitude -y -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confold install sun-java5-jdk # doesn't appear to work |
| 15:45.57 | webustany | but didn't find |
| 15:46.09 | themill | cornet: you can preseed the debconf database to "accept" the licence |
| 15:46.11 | webustany | (I'm quite new to debian) |
| 15:46.32 | pmv_ | cornet, the problem with java is that sun has (actually, used to have) policies about distribution |
| 15:46.38 | cornet | themill: ooh |
| 15:46.47 | cornet | pmv_: yer |
| 15:46.53 | pmv_ | themill, ah, this is new to me. how? |
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| 15:47.18 | cornet | pmv_: using puppet here, and it bails when trying to install cos there is no interactive shell |
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| 15:47.28 | valdyn | webustany: debian ships 32-bit libraries to run 32-bit programs on debian/amd64 but not the -dev packages required to compile 32-bit programs |
| 15:47.38 | webustany | argh |
| 15:47.46 | jelly | cornet: Sun's license requires you to read and accept it. What you could do, is download the debs, make changes to the packages to skip the license bit, and put the changed packages into your local repositories |
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| 15:47.52 | webustany | on fedora I just suffix the package with .i386... |
| 15:48.23 | pmv_ | webustany, do you want binaries or source? |
| 15:48.43 | pmv_ | if you are doing that with fedora, then that would be binaries, ne? |
| 15:48.45 | webustany | I just installed a chrooted debian to use scratchbox (for nokia n8xx devices) |
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| 15:48.53 | webustany | into that chroot |
| 15:48.56 | cornet | themill: thanks for that, some more searching has led me to http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/ :) |
| 15:48.57 | jelly | cornet: ... or do what themill suggests, it's more reasonable :-) |
| 15:48.58 | webustany | I'm going to compile programs |
| 15:49.00 | valdyn | webustany: you can compile in a chroot. |
| 15:49.03 | pmv_ | and if you mean just binaries, then deb64 should be okay running that |
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| 15:49.15 | heymr | how do I get a module/driver to load with the kernel? |
| 15:49.17 | webustany | yes, I just want glibc 32 bits on an amd64 version |
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| 15:49.27 | webustany | for example, in /lib32 |
| 15:49.39 | webustany | and I want to use gcc -m32 to compile in 32 bits mode |
| 15:49.40 | valdyn | webustany: thats binaries, you cant use those for compiling |
| 15:49.45 | themill | pmv_, cornet, jelly: you can preseed the debconf database with "debconf-set-selections < javalicence" using the contents of http://pastebin.ca/958203 for the licence. (adapt to java5 as necessary) |
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| 15:49.59 | pmv_ | themill, thanks |
| 15:50.00 | webustany | ok, so I should install a new chroot for i386, it'd be simpler |
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| 15:50.06 | cornet | themill: way aheard of you , but thanks :) |
| 15:50.07 | themill | ^^ altough sun would probably bitch about you doing so |
| 15:50.09 | valdyn | webustany: yes, use a 32-bit chroot |
| 15:50.14 | pmv_ | haha |
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| 15:50.21 | webustany | too bad it's not easier :( |
| 15:50.30 | pmv_ | themill, well it is gpl now, so all that should go away in time |
| 15:50.37 | ks | how do I map mkinitrd parameters to mkinitramfs, if it is possible ? |
| 15:50.48 | webustany | thanks for the answers :) |
| 15:50.53 | themill | pmv_: not yet. And java5 and java6 will never be |
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| 15:51.15 | ks | like --with= , --preload=blah,builtin=blah |
| 15:52.19 | pmv_ | what makes you say never? |
| 15:52.51 | valdyn | ks: why the hell would you need that? |
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| 15:55.02 | heymr | ok, for ralink chipset dlink card... is that a module I can add? |
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| 15:55.04 | Legality | hi |
| 15:55.14 | heymr | how do I figure out what modules I can add to /etc/modules |
| 15:55.16 | Legality | how can I check if my debian is 64 or 32 bit? |
| 15:55.18 | valdyn | Hydroxide: rt2500 or rt2x000 |
| 15:55.22 | ks | valdyn: cause I need to translate older setting to mkinitramsfs which is the inly option in my case |
| 15:55.22 | Legality | uname -a shows 686 |
| 15:55.31 | valdyn | heymr: rt2500 or rt2x000 |
| 15:55.32 | themill | pmv_: sun claims they don't actually own the copyright on large sections of java5 and java6 which is why it is taking them so long to rewrite or relicence it to make java7, which will be gpl'd. So "never" it is. |
| 15:55.45 | valdyn | ks: the point is, why do you need to change anything to debians defaults? |
| 15:55.50 | Legality | wasn't 686 64 bit? |
| 15:55.57 | valdyn | Legality: no |
| 15:56.01 | heymr | valdyn: as a module, correct? |
| 15:56.03 | Legality | valdyn: how can I check it? |
| 15:56.15 | valdyn | Legality: check what? |
| 15:56.26 | Legality | whether my debian is 32 or 64 bit |
| 15:56.28 | pmv_ | Legality, no |
| 15:56.30 | ks | valdyn: that's for xen guest os, i guess it needs a couple of options to load guest os properly |
| 15:56.33 | pmv_ | Legality, uname -a |
| 15:56.36 | valdyn | heymr: they external modules, make yours with module-assistant |
| 15:56.42 | Legality | pmv_: yea, done that |
| 15:56.49 | Legality | 2.6.18-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 01:22:56 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:57.04 | pmv_ | i686 is not 64-bit |
| 15:57.08 | Legality | 32 bit? |
| 15:57.11 | pmv_ | yes |
| 15:57.12 | Legality | ok |
| 15:57.17 | pmv_ | ia64 is 64-bit |
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| 15:57.31 | valdyn | Legality: 2.6.18-5-686-bigmem is a 32-bit kernel, which will cause i686 GNU/Linux even if the cpu really is 64-bit |
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| 15:58.03 | valdyn | !ia64 |
| 15:58.03 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64 |
| 15:58.19 | themill | Legality: that's also an out of date kernel in need of a security update |
| 15:58.50 | pmv_ | huh |
| 15:58.52 | lontra | is exim4 an essential package? i.e. can it be removed? |
| 15:58.55 | pmv_ | that factoid is wrong |
| 15:59.00 | pmv_ | if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64? |
| 15:59.11 | Legality | yea |
| 15:59.13 | pmv_ | false |
| 15:59.19 | valdyn | lontra: it provides an essential feature, you should not remove it, only replace it with a different mta, if you must |
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| 15:59.59 | pmv_ | lontra, not unless you do not need local system mail |
| 16:00.14 | pmv_ | bah, too many negative qualifiers |
| 16:00.38 | pmv_ | lontra, it provides local system mail. if you do not think that is essential you may remove it. I would not recommend doing so. |
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| 16:02.14 | ReKlip1 | I have a motherboard with an SB700 chipset which supports RAID 0. I When I install using debian lenny, all of the drives show up as separate block devices. |
| 16:02.18 | ReKlip1 | err... |
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| 16:02.39 | abrotman | ReKlip1: it's not real raid |
| 16:02.51 | ReKlip1 | abrotman, i got it, lemme retype all that |
| 16:02.59 | lontra | pmv_: i just ask because it has a panic when the kernel is loading and i think it's always broken on my machine at least |
| 16:03.03 | abrotman | !fakeraid |
| 16:03.03 | dpkg | somebody said fakeraid was term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). |
| 16:03.28 | pmv_ | lontra, you can try reinstall it or replacing it |
| 16:03.34 | pmv_ | what is the "panic"? |
| 16:03.55 | jamesfff | If i have an etch install and i want a package that is only on the lenny sources |
| 16:04.03 | jamesfff | can i just download that and install it you recon? |
| 16:04.03 | ReKlip1 | ok, so use softraid |
| 16:04.11 | ReKlip1 | that was essentially my question |
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| 16:04.29 | simonrvn | reckon, actually |
| 16:04.46 | lontra | pmv_: 2008-03-23 19:47:32 Exim configuration error in line 28 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: |
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| 16:04.49 | simonrvn | recon is an abbreviation for reconnaissance |
| 16:04.58 | lontra | pmv_: malformed macro definition |
| 16:05.08 | pmv_ | lontra, you can try reinstalling it |
| 16:05.16 | ReKlip1 | abrotman: this means that I'll have to have another device for boot, no? aka, the OS can't be on the RAID? |
| 16:05.22 | pmv_ | simonrvn, nitpicky are we not? :) |
| 16:05.26 | abrotman | ReKlip1: i don't use swraid .. no idea |
| 16:05.31 | simonrvn | sometimes ;) |
| 16:05.47 | ReKlip1 | abrotman: k, thx for the soft raid advice |
| 16:05.58 | simonrvn | at least i know i am :) |
| 16:06.09 | jamesfff | reconnaissance is also slang word for think |
| 16:06.10 | jamesfff | so i win. |
| 16:06.18 | pmv_ | reminds me of the first time a new boss logged on to our irc channel |
| 16:06.30 | pmv_ | then started talking about new ideas |
| 16:06.32 | jamesfff | recon - > reconnaissance - > think. "what do you recon" = "what do you think" |
| 16:06.40 | pmv_ | and that he wanted to rein in the dev team |
| 16:06.47 | pmv_ | except he said reign |
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| 16:07.00 | pmv_ | not the best first impression |
| 16:07.06 | pmv_ | heh heh |
| 16:07.13 | lymeca | Is there an application/package to scan through music libraries and remove duplicates? |
| 16:07.58 | simonrvn | jamesfff: at least to me, "reckon" would be the word to use in that context, but 'recon' would also work |
| 16:08.00 | ReKlip1 | jamesfff: now you've opened the box, recon is not slang for think, it's reckon |
| 16:08.04 | pmv_ | lymeca, you can use any playlist application (like songbird) for that |
| 16:08.15 | simonrvn | and it's not slang ;) |
| 16:08.18 | pmv_ | lymeca, just arrange by filename, remove the dupes |
| 16:08.20 | pmv_ | *shrug* |
| 16:08.21 | jamesfff | ReKlip1 in my ghetto's reconnaissance is slang mang |
| 16:08.39 | ReKlip1 | lol, ok, no point in arguing, we all knew what you meant |
| 16:08.48 | pmv_ | haha |
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| 16:08.59 | jamesfff | It's a short word of an actually very long word that i don't remember its so long |
| 16:09.02 | simonrvn | like pmv_ said, i was just being nitpicky. :) |
| 16:09.04 | ReKlip1 | so you say reeecon? |
| 16:09.06 | jamesfff | So i can't elaborate any more |
| 16:09.07 | XoX | is /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies should be on by default? |
| 16:09.14 | ReKlip1 | or wreck-in? |
| 16:09.22 | jamesfff | week-end? |
| 16:09.26 | pmv_ | reconaissance |
| 16:09.37 | simonrvn | not for anothe few days ;p |
| 16:09.41 | quentusrex | jamesfff, pmv_, what about openswan? |
| 16:09.55 | ReKlip1 | lol |
| 16:09.57 | pmv_ | quentusrex, last time I took a look at it, it was in pretty bad shape |
| 16:10.21 | pmv_ | dunno if it is still being maintained |
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| 16:10.31 | pmv_ | The current version of Linux FreeS/WAN is 2.06, released 2004/04/22. |
| 16:10.41 | quentusrex | I see things from the past 2 years that seem to... nvm |
| 16:10.43 | jamesfff | Anyone know what happens if i don't select standard packages on debian etch net-install? |
| 16:10.47 | pmv_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.49 | pmv_ | 2003/04/22 |
| 16:10.50 | pmv_ | heh |
| 16:10.59 | jamesfff | standard packages doesn't include crap like printing does it? |
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| 16:11.14 | simonrvn | standard? no |
| 16:11.24 | quentusrex | well, from the openswan.org website: version 2.5.17 released 2/27/2008 |
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| 16:11.48 | pmv_ | oh, sorry. I was looking at freeswan |
| 16:11.56 | pmv_ | "doh" |
| 16:12.10 | jamesfff | quentusrex : not if you want easy client setup and access |
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| 16:12.26 | pmv_ | quentusrex, and I was going to say anyway, yeah, you are right. just cus it is old does not mean it does not work. |
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| 16:13.48 | quentusrex | but if it's old it means there is some reason the developers left the project. |
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| 16:14.22 | pmv_ | yeah, like it being finished, for example. :-) kame.net |
| 16:14.26 | ReKlipz | so, in debian, if I wanted to boot off of raid, aka, the only storage in my system was say, a raid 0. how do I do this? The software raid how-to says most distros support this. does debian? |
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| 16:15.03 | XoX | you cant boot from software raid 0 |
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| 16:16.22 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, is there a file that contents all the ips that have connected to my pc via vnc? |
| 16:16.25 | RogerWard | ReKlipz: when i see systems booting software raid, they usually have a boot partition to load the raid with |
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| 16:16.39 | RogerWard | not unless you turned on logging, gonzaloaf |
| 16:16.43 | ReKlipz | RogerWard: so, iw ould have to have 2 partitions on each drive |
| 16:16.53 | RogerWard | ReKlipz: theoretically. |
| 16:16.59 | ReKlipz | one could be really small raid 1, and the other the rest raid 0 |
| 16:17.02 | simonrvn | you need a non-raid /boot + initrd to boot from raid / |
| 16:17.03 | pmv_ | gonzaloaf_work, you can try sockstat though |
| 16:17.03 | RogerWard | ReKlipz: another option is LVM |
| 16:17.05 | jamesfff | Is it a good idea to apt-get upgrade a new systme? I've never touched debian in me life. |
| 16:17.12 | RogerWard | simonrvn aye :) |
| 16:17.20 | gonzaloaf_work | pmv, what is it? |
| 16:17.28 | RogerWard | jamesfff: apt-get upgrade is a good idea |
| 16:17.28 | ReKlipz | RogerWard: can you explain how that is different? |
| 16:17.33 | pmv_ | gonzaloaf_work, shows you sockets. grep for the VNC port |
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| 16:17.50 | XoX | aptitude upgrade is a better one |
| 16:18.05 | RogerWard | ReKlipz: LVM abstracts the partition from the devices |
| 16:18.23 | RogerWard | ReKlipz: you could migrate LIVE, from a 20g drive to a 1tb drive, for instance |
| 16:18.31 | ReKlipz | RogerWard: but requires the kernel to be up and running, no? |
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| 16:19.29 | RogerWard_ | ReKlipz: and if you ever want to upgrade, there is a way to migrate your LVM partitions |
| 16:19.38 | RogerWard_ | ReKlipz: and if you ever want to upgrade, there is a way to migrate your LVM partitions |
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| 16:20.24 | gonzaloaf_work | pmv, in what pkg is it? |
| 16:20.54 | Justin | simonrvn: you don't ALWAYS need a /boot partition to boot from raid |
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| 16:21.19 | pmv_ | gonzaloaf_work, in.. base I think |
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| 16:21.31 | pmv_ | gonzaloaf_work, just run sockstat |
| 16:21.53 | ReKlipz | ok, lets start over. I want to run linux using only these 3 drives. |
| 16:22.06 | themill | pmv_: socklist? |
| 16:22.14 | pmv_ | .. |
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| 16:22.23 | pmv_ | hey guys, deb has sockstat right? |
| 16:22.35 | simonrvn | Justin: in which case(s) do you not need one? |
| 16:22.39 | Justin | simonrvn: raid 1 |
| 16:22.39 | pmv_ | jamesfff, deb, sockstat, yes? |
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| 16:22.50 | ReKlipz | I can either make a small boot partition on one drive, which then requires that all the raid 0 partitions be the same size, so may as well raid 1 the wasted space. The other option is to boot from another separate disk. you're saying that LVM is yet another option? |
| 16:22.53 | pmv_ | confused |
| 16:22.58 | pmv_ | sorry, I am on my fbsd box |
| 16:23.18 | pmv_ | but there must be an equivalent |
| 16:23.25 | RogerWard_ | ReKlipz: a better way to phrase that is LVM is one way to _do_ it |
| 16:23.35 | RogerWard_ | ReKlipz: it does software raid |
| 16:23.38 | themill | pmv_: sockstat or netstat |
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| 16:23.44 | themill | pmv_: erm... socklist |
| 16:23.58 | ReKlipz | RogerWard aye, gotcha |
| 16:24.02 | pmv_ | ah, there then |
| 16:24.06 | ReKlipz | so, i still need a non raid boot (or a raid 1 boot) |
| 16:24.07 | l9r00t | have any possible run virtual os via sparc linux? |
| 16:24.07 | pmv_ | sorry for the confusion :) |
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| 16:24.28 | C0meT | where do I find the md5 hash for the installer cd1 |
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| 16:24.31 | jim | l9r00t: probably |
| 16:24.31 | pmv_ | gonzaloaf_work, netstat for you then :) |
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| 16:24.46 | Justin | C0meT: do you have what you think the md5 sum is? |
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| 16:25.10 | C0meT | nvm, found it |
| 16:25.11 | gonzaloaf_work | pmv_, yes but it tells the connections established right now, I want to know the ip that was connected yesterday |
| 16:25.19 | pmv_ | gonzaloaf_work, oh, then no |
| 16:25.22 | pmv_ | unless you keep a log |
| 16:25.26 | pmv_ | needs sleep |
| 16:25.29 | xai | jim: the problem was DNS: dual values for each name in that range.. |
| 16:25.30 | pmv_ | or at least coffee |
| 16:25.37 | gonzaloaf_work | pmv, this is what I'm looking for |
| 16:25.46 | xai | jim: that caused xdm to barf. |
| 16:25.50 | jim | xai: figured that could be the problem |
| 16:25.57 | pmv_ | bbl coffee |
| 16:26.33 | RogerWard_ | ReKlipz: i've seen it done both ways |
| 16:26.49 | themill | !coffee pmv_ |
| 16:26.50 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for pmv_, courtesy of themill |
| 16:27.03 | ReKlipz | ok, i understand now |
| 16:27.08 | jim | so the dhcp was handing out addresses twice? |
| 16:27.10 | ReKlipz | thanks for the help, gotta run |
| 16:27.26 | jim | or there were two IPs for eachname? |
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| 16:27.55 | Snadder | I'm intrested in the UltimateDebianDatabase project of SummerOfCode.. but was wondring about a few things.. is this the right place to ask? |
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| 16:28.31 | stew | Snadder: try #debian-soc on irc.debian.org |
| 16:28.54 | simonrvn | now i know where to send people |
| 16:28.54 | jim | meanwhile consider postgresql ;) |
| 16:29.09 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 16:30.10 | Slap_Stick | hmm does anyone know of a really nice utility / app to benchmark performance of a server and maybe graph it all as well? i want to run several tests but want to see what the disk i/o is like, cpu, memory etc |
| 16:30.28 | lkthomas2 | guys, RAID 6 min require 4disk, but I could add as many as I want, right ? |
| 16:30.51 | Justin | lkthomas2: to a point, yeah |
| 16:31.07 | slidesinger | Question regarding lightweight install: does lvm add significant overhead? |
| 16:31.15 | stew | slidesinger: no |
| 16:31.22 | slidesinger | Thanks |
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| 16:32.47 | lkthomas2 | so if I want to use 7 disk x 500GB with RAID 6, 1 hotspare, what would be the capacity after RAID built up ? |
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| 16:36.23 | nick22 | hi, i have added volatile updates so i can update clamav due to a problem with it,when i run aptitude upgrade it says clamav is being held back |
| 16:36.29 | nick22 | is there any way to force it |
| 16:36.56 | azeem | nick22: find out /why/ it is held back |
| 16:37.11 | azeem | also, try "aptitude install clamav" directly and see what packages get added/removed |
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| 16:41.07 | themill | nick22: the newer version wants a newer version of the libclamav library which will not be automatically installed with just an "upgrade" because it's actually a new library (libclamav3 vs libclamav2) |
| 16:42.55 | alturiak | nick22: aptitude dist-upgrade (etch) or aptitude full-upgrade (lenny) will perform actions that are not just simple upgrades but also install new packages and delete old packages |
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| 16:47.32 | iateadonut | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Permission denied |
| 16:47.40 | iateadonut | why? my user is part of group audio? |
| 16:48.21 | seeds | any encryption apps for linux other than bcrypt? |
| 16:48.40 | stew | iateadonut: does "groups" list audio? |
| 16:48.49 | stew | seeds: gnupg? |
| 16:48.55 | iateadonut | stew: no |
| 16:49.03 | seeds | ok stew |
| 16:49.06 | iateadonut | stew: user does. |
| 16:49.31 | stew | iateadonut: then you aren't in the audio group. if you just added yourself, you won't get that group's permissions until you login next time |
| 16:50.09 | iateadonut | oh. |
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| 16:50.59 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 16:51.12 | iateadonut | su's cronjob's will run when nobody is logged in, right? |
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| 16:53.30 | jelly | whose cronjob? |
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| 16:54.32 | stew | iateadonut: cronjobs will run even if nobody is logged in |
| 16:54.48 | jelly | lkthomas2: your block device will be about 4x500GB net size |
| 16:55.29 | iateadonut | interesting. |
| 16:55.44 | lunaphyte_ | i've got a server running testing that i originally set up around 3 years ago. since then, i've done virtually zero updates. i still plan on tracking testing and would like to upgrade things. is apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade the sensible way to go about doing this (or aptitude, etc.)? or is there some more appropriate command/process for instances like this? |
| 16:56.07 | jelly | stew: but if nobody doesn't have a proper shell, how can he be logged in? |
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| 16:56.27 | Justin | lunaphyte_: what version of libc6 do you have? |
| 16:56.42 | stew | jelly: stop poking holes in my theories |
| 16:56.55 | lunaphyte_ | Justin: 2.3.6-13 |
| 16:56.58 | jelly | usermod -s /bin/sh nobody :-) |
| 16:56.58 | DANNX | cya all |
| 16:57.02 | stew | lunaphyte_: you should upgrade to stable first, then upgrade to testing |
| 16:57.32 | jelly | stew: nah, I just the like overloaded meaning of "nobody" |
| 16:57.38 | Justin | lunaphyte_: yeah, etch first would be your best bet |
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| 16:58.12 | lunaphyte_ | oh, ok - i hadn't considered that. |
| 16:58.41 | stew | lunaphyte_: debian doesn't support skipping releases, since the testing you were running was released, you should upgrade to the released version beofre moving forward... |
| 16:58.48 | iateadonut | how can i give my users the authority to turn off the computer? |
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| 16:59.42 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 16:59.54 | klikklak | I set my mx518 for 5 button operation like this: Option "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 6 7", but the extra buttons do nothing in firefox3, anyone? |
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| 17:00.24 | dury | at the I've installed pure debian... runs ok |
| 17:00.25 | lunaphyte_ | stew: got it, yeah that makes sense. |
| 17:00.36 | lunaphyte_ | just reading the release notes for etch. |
| 17:00.39 | dury | I mean at the end... |
| 17:01.09 | dury | I love debian |
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| 17:01.27 | dury | even for old computers |
| 17:01.40 | stew | klikklak: go to 'about:config', you might have to alter the mousewheel settings |
| 17:01.47 | dury | great stuff :) |
| 17:01.52 | stew | klikklak: and afaik 6,7 is horizontal scroll, not vertical (vertical is 4,5) |
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| 17:02.41 | quentusrex | pmv_, what do you know about kerberos? |
| 17:02.50 | Riotblade | Hey, anyone managed to get the latest version of wine installed on debian? |
| 17:02.54 | klikklak | stew: ok, oh, right. so I'd want 8,9 for backward and forward page? |
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| 17:04.16 | xuser | how do you solve unmet dependecies? |
| 17:04.28 | iateadonut | how do i give my users the authority to turn off the computer? (just upgraded to lenny and now everything has changed... and sorry for asking twice, but i may have not seen the answer, as i logged off.) |
| 17:04.30 | xuser | can it be forced? |
| 17:04.37 | stew | klikklak: no, i think youd want 4,5 and change the associated action for 'nokeydown' on 'mousewheel' or whatever in about:config |
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| 17:05.20 | iateadonut | xuser, what dependency do you have that's not being met? |
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| 17:05.48 | jim | xuser: by installing the things depended on, or removing the thing depending on |
| 17:06.03 | klikklak | stew: its set at zaxismapping isn't it? it's zaxismapping 4,5 currently in xorg.conf |
| 17:06.09 | dury | stew: could you tell me please in screensaver preferences that I have by default there is an option to put images in pictures folder.... but where is that folder to put the images? |
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| 17:06.37 | dury | should I create it? |
| 17:06.45 | stew | dury: i have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 17:06.58 | stew | klikklak: sounds right. |
| 17:07.01 | klikklak | stew: mousewheel.horizscroll.nokey.action is 0 and thats the default value. |
| 17:07.13 | jim | it!! he's talking about -it-!! |
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| 17:07.44 | iateadonut | how do i ps processes that are using a particular device? |
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| 17:08.05 | xuser | iateadonut: libdjvulibre15, looks like the pkg is broken in sid. |
| 17:08.10 | jim | find the pids of those processes, feed them to ps |
| 17:08.21 | xuser | to install local packages I need to create a repository for it? |
| 17:08.28 | jim | no |
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| 17:08.39 | jim | use dpkg to install them |
| 17:08.58 | xuser | ok |
| 17:09.17 | sp | iateadonut: lsof is your friend (ie. lsof /dev/input/mice should show Xorg using it), be aware that you need to be root to get information on processes you don't own |
| 17:09.31 | iateadonut | sp: thanks. |
| 17:09.33 | stew | iateadonut: use fuser |
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| 17:09.46 | jim | xuser: what's the name of the file containing one local package you have? |
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| 17:10.12 | xuser | jim: acrobat_enu |
| 17:10.23 | jim | that's not a package file name |
| 17:10.50 | Kensan_ | Is there a good ressource to learn how to build deb packages? |
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| 17:11.05 | stew | Kensan_: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 17:11.25 | dury | stew: screensaver preferences, see? |
| 17:11.28 | jim | packaging manual, new maint guide, all files in hello package's source |
| 17:11.51 | xuser | jim: yeah, thats the begining of the name. |
| 17:11.58 | Kensan_ | stew: many thanks. |
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| 17:12.01 | stew | dury: sorry, i don't know anything about it. i haven't used a screensaver in many years |
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| 17:12.40 | dury | stew: ok, don't worry |
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| 17:12.49 | stew | believe me, i'm not |
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| 17:13.38 | dury | stew: I believe you. Do not to worry |
| 17:14.11 | dury | someone in this channel |
| 17:14.11 | jim | xuser: hmm, ok... anyway, use dpkg to install them... dpkg --help tells what it can do |
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| 17:15.00 | nick22 | themill hi, i have a problem with my current clamav every so often it fails to connect, after reading everyones reports they are all saying to add volatile to the sources.list and download i'm guessin a beta version of clamav is it 9.12 or something like that |
| 17:15.09 | nick22 | i dont want dist upgrade |
| 17:15.17 | nick22 | i want to stay on etch |
| 17:15.34 | jim | then find a backport or backport it yourself |
| 17:15.42 | xuser | jim: sure, thanks. |
| 17:16.14 | xuser | where do you guys find up to date documentation on debian? debian.org docs are old. |
| 17:16.16 | stew | nick22: you have the lastest version in volatile? |
| 17:16.21 | nick22 | there is a version available to download, but obviously because of the libclamav 3 can i not just download that aswell or is that part of lenny |
| 17:16.32 | stew | xuser: /usr/share/doc/packagename? or specifically, documentation about what? |
| 17:16.36 | nick22 | no i dont have the latest volatile version |
| 17:17.37 | xuser | stew: like installing a local package |
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| 17:18.06 | jim | xuser: man dpkg, install guide, dpkg --help |
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| 17:18.15 | xuser | stew: debian.org explains a long method, no the actual one. |
| 17:18.36 | xuser | jim: yeah thanks |
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| 17:18.55 | stew | xuser: have you looked at the apt-howto? |
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| 17:20.07 | stew | xuser: aptitude install apt-howto-en ; then read usr/share/doc/Debian/apt-howto/apt-howto.en.html |
| 17:20.44 | xuser | stew: kk |
| 17:21.57 | Riotblade | I tried to dpkg -i an ubuntu libc6 package but it said it depends on another package. I scrapped the idea but everytime I use apt-get now, it says "The following packages have unmet depedencies". How do I clear everything i've tried to install? |
| 17:21.58 | xuser | stew: http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html this doc looks more up to date |
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| 17:22.14 | xuser | stew: anyway thanks. |
| 17:22.43 | stew | xuser: the apt-howto is up to date |
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| 17:23.12 | stew | Riotblade: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 17:23.14 | lunaphyte_ | so, reading through the etch release notes regarding upgrading, i'm essentially changing my sources from testing to etch, doing an aptitude update, and then stepping through the various subsequent processes as appropriate? |
| 17:23.18 | Riotblade | stew, this is debian |
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| 17:23.29 | stew | Riotblade: yikes, you sohuld not try to install packages from other distributions |
| 17:23.33 | stew | Riotblade: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:23.36 | xuser | stew: yeah, just finding my way on how to look for debian documentation. thanks for the tip. |
| 17:23.59 | patphone | hello - what could be a possible reason if a device is listed in /proc/bus/usb/devices - but not with lspci? |
| 17:24.30 | themill | nick22: dist-upgrade has nothing to do with moving from etch to something else such as lenny, although that is of course part of the upgrade procedure. dist-upgrade just allows apt to pull in new libraries (or remove them). You would only move away from etch with a dist-upgrade if you had something else in your sources.list and no pinning in place. |
| 17:24.34 | stew | patphone: becuase lspci lists pci devices, not usb devices |
| 17:24.41 | patphone | stew meant lsusb |
| 17:24.52 | patphone | mixed that up tho |
| 17:24.56 | nick22 | ok |
| 17:24.56 | themill | patphone: did you run lsusb as root? |
| 17:25.00 | patphone | ye |
| 17:25.10 | patphone | I might inform lkml about it |
| 17:25.20 | Riotblade | stew, http://rafb.net/p/vFU8CJ30.html |
| 17:25.24 | patphone | but before, I'd want to confirm it is anything but usual behavior |
| 17:25.27 | nick22 | hi again, i am just wanting to upgrade clamav, i have added volative to the sources.list and tis saying the following are kept back |
| 17:25.28 | nick22 | clamav clamav-daemon clamav-freshclam spamassassin |
| 17:25.40 | stew | nick22: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 17:25.46 | nick22 | to install clamav i need to install this libclam3 |
| 17:25.59 | themill | nick22: You can always preview what dist-upgrade is planning to do. |
| 17:26.09 | stew | Riotblade: /msg dpkg partial upgrade |
| 17:26.13 | stew | Riotblade: if that doesn't work, you reinstall |
| 17:26.17 | nick22 | ok i dont really wanna dist-upgrade i wanna stay with etch |
| 17:26.25 | Riotblade | reinstall? |
| 17:26.33 | Riotblade | as in reinstall the OS? |
| 17:26.46 | themill | nick22: [17:24] <themill> nick22: dist-upgrade has nothing to do with moving from etch to something else such as lenny, although that is of course part of the upgrade procedure. dist-upgrade just allows apt to pull in new libraries (or remove them). You would only move away from etch with a dist-upgrade if you had something else in your sources.list and no pinning in place. |
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| 17:27.01 | stew | nick22: and what is wrong with installing libclamav3 ? |
| 17:27.03 | patphone | the kernel recognizes the printer (dmesg) .. but it doesnt show up in lsusb. While cat'ing /proc/bus/usb/devices shows the printer + it's fully identified (fully linux compatible as well) .. currently running 2.6.22-3 (lenny most recent). Any thoughts about it but informing lkml themill? |
| 17:27.11 | Riotblade | stew, can't I just backstep and undo what I've tried doing? |
| 17:27.13 | nick22 | nothign was just checking it was safe |
| 17:27.31 | stew | Riotblade: maybe, "/msg dpkg partial upgrade" will give you the recommended procedure to try |
| 17:27.38 | Riotblade | I'm not receiving a response |
| 17:27.48 | stew | dpkg tell Riotblade about partial downgrade |
| 17:27.49 | adamb | Anyone recommend a text based mail client? |
| 17:27.53 | stew | adamb: mutt |
| 17:27.57 | jelly | seconded |
| 17:27.58 | themill | stew: there's no factoid by that name.... |
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| 17:28.29 | themill | !partial downgrade |
| 17:28.29 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
| 17:28.31 | stew | /msg coffeesev help stew |
| 17:28.37 | themill | perhaps? |
| 17:28.41 | themill | !coffee stew |
| 17:28.41 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for stew, courtesy of themill |
| 17:28.51 | adamb | ok cool i will check mutt out, I have to create a wierd script, need to parse a mail spool for a user, and find if any attachments are over 2MB, would mutt aid in this process possibly? |
| 17:29.44 | dury | p |
| 17:30.14 | Ergo^ | guys i know this is not debian but maybe someone encountered that : im on dbian lenny, (but this also happened on ubuntu) i have an iso file that hen opened with archieve manager has filenames like: blabbla.ext;1 |
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| 17:30.18 | Justin | adamb: sounds like you want to be using python/perl/whatever |
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| 17:30.31 | themill | adamb: try procmail for that sort of thing. or formail |
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| 17:31.41 | quentusrex | What is a good method to have a workstation automatically run a script 'before' a user is logged in? |
| 17:31.48 | kemal | hi, i've such a strange problem here, i'm now connected to internet via ppp, and i can do lots of things, i can use konversation and send this message to you, i can even use wget, i can ping www.google.com also i can use w3m (console browser), but i'm not able to use konqueror, kopete etc |
| 17:32.06 | kemal | they cannot use internet connection, and that drives me crazy |
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| 17:32.47 | sp | kemal: could be wrong proxy settings |
| 17:33.07 | kemal | sp, i'm using dial-up |
| 17:33.18 | kemal | i don't use proxy |
| 17:33.50 | jelly | adamb: you can only look for total mail size in mutt, not the size of a single attachment |
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| 17:34.15 | CharminTheMoose | quentusrex, the script in /etc/rc.local? |
| 17:34.51 | quentusrex | CharminTheMoose, will that run even without a user logged in? |
| 17:35.03 | quentusrex | So when I boot the workstation it automatically runs the scripts? |
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| 17:35.14 | CharminTheMoose | quentusrex, well it's the last script that's run before you log in on debian. |
| 17:35.33 | jelly | Ergo^: why not just mount the .iso, instead of opening it with some utility? |
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| 17:36.33 | jussi | yes, it works. I had to install imwheel |
| 17:37.06 | Riotblade | stew, thanks that worked :) |
| 17:37.31 | jelly | Ergo^: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/image.iso /some/mount/point |
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| 17:41.01 | Ergo^ | jelly: you are right i guess :] |
| 17:41.24 | pgpkeys | hey jelly, where's my toast? |
| 17:41.35 | Ergo^ | anyways im grabbing acetoneiso, so i guess ill use that to mount it :] |
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| 17:43.05 | stew | Riotblade: in the future, if you want to install a package from another release, you should be recompiling it for yours: "/msg dpkg ssb" gives some instructions about how you'd do this |
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| 17:45.11 | pleaseandthankyo | how can i get windows xp sp2 to have it's own connection in virtualbox rather than linix as a host connection? |
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| 17:48.00 | pmv_ | arr |
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| 17:50.46 | nick22 | cheers for your help guys, updated everythign necessary and its working perfectly |
| 17:50.51 | nick22 | hell of a lot faster :D |
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| 17:52.50 | rjent | Greetings, could anyone offer ideas on why flash games so slow with flashplayer? |
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| 17:58.07 | abrotman | rjent: it's flash ? |
| 17:59.11 | rjent | abrotman: yes |
| 17:59.36 | stew | rjent: i think he was offering that up as a reason for it being slow |
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| 18:00.10 | rjent | stew: ok, well perhaps the libflash-mozplugin would be an alternative |
| 18:00.11 | tralala | is this the sound of a dying hard disk? http://rafb.net/p/JADMED87.html |
| 18:00.44 | stew | i don't hear anything |
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| 18:01.06 | Justin | tralala: was that during boot, or during normal use? |
| 18:01.07 | tralala | stew, listen to the kernel complaints |
| 18:01.24 | tralala | Justin, first during copying, then I saw the same during boot |
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| 18:01.52 | tralala | (I had to reboot, because the system became non responsive) |
| 18:03.22 | tralala | Finally the bios stopped recognizing it - now it's ouside the box, tilted on the side. I just wonder if it is the disk or the controller that is at fault. |
| 18:03.44 | pgpkeys | is the drive making clicks or deep whirr noises? |
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| 18:04.44 | tralala | pgpkeys, there were funny noises inside the box, supposedly from the disk, but I can't be sure. Now it's quiet. |
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| 18:05.54 | tralala | anyway, time for aptitude clone, and backing up of the few new things |
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| 18:06.30 | pgpkeys | could be the drive. if BIOS isn't recognizing it after moving it to a different chain, it's probably the drive |
| 18:06.37 | laptor | hello I have a problem with java If I open the web site and login digichat it did crash and give one msg like (no debugging symbols found) what's the problem? |
| 18:07.01 | laptor | I use firefox |
| 18:07.08 | pgpkeys | feel the drive. is it spinning still? you'll get a faint hum just from the power to the drive. the hum deepens when the disks spin |
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| 18:08.50 | laptor | Im waiting :( |
| 18:09.17 | pgpkeys | dude, no one HAS to answer you nor do they have to immediately |
| 18:09.35 | pgpkeys | I'm waiting makes it sound like you're demanding |
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| 18:09.54 | jamesfff | You can wait some more now hrhrhrhr |
| 18:10.04 | pgpkeys | bingo! :) |
| 18:10.05 | stew | laptor: java crashed? or firefox crashed? or what? |
| 18:10.15 | tralala | pgpkeys, the drive works seemingly fine right now, but changing the sata port didn't help a few minutes ago. |
| 18:10.24 | themill | laptor: firefox or iceweasel? |
| 18:10.26 | jamesfff | CRAP java application is your probable cause |
| 18:10.47 | laptor | iceweasel |
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| 18:11.03 | msk | laptor - maybe try to install java-debug-symbols or something like that, im not on debian atm so I cant help much ;) |
| 18:11.31 | stew | msk: is java-debug-symbols something that you just made up? |
| 18:11.50 | msk | ...and I'm not on debian, cause I get "Waiting for root filesystem" error |
| 18:12.17 | themill | !waiting for the root filesyste |
| 18:12.19 | themill | !waiting for the root filesystem |
| 18:12.19 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> |
| 18:12.20 | pgpkeys | tralala: i'd not post anything important to the drive for the time being, and run a find on the drive like find / -type f or something to force it to start pulling the map off the drive to force heavy I/O |
| 18:12.24 | msk | stew: maybe it exists, maybe not - but aptitude search might help ;P |
| 18:12.31 | laptor | how can I install java-debug-symbols? |
| 18:12.44 | stew | laptor: you can't there is no such thing |
| 18:12.46 | pgpkeys | i would also check the maker's site and see if they have a diags disk |
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| 18:13.04 | tralala | pgpkeys, I'll do that after I salvage a few things, and make a packet list of the installed software |
| 18:13.14 | laptor | ok how can I fix it? |
| 18:13.26 | stew | laptor: what exactly is crashing? iceweasel? or java? or what? |
| 18:13.34 | laptor | java |
| 18:13.46 | pgpkeys | cool. if they have no diags disk for that drive just cause extremely heavy IO once you backup |
| 18:13.47 | laptor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:13.51 | stew | laptor: which java are you using? sun? gcj? |
| 18:13.57 | laptor | sum |
| 18:13.58 | pgpkeys | if it's going to fail, that will usually cause the problem to surface |
| 18:13.59 | laptor | sun |
| 18:14.39 | stew | laptor: try turning on the java console, which might give you more information about what is causing java to crash. but since sun's java is non-free, your options to fix it are probably limited |
| 18:15.26 | laptor | hmm |
| 18:15.36 | laptor | it give me (no debugging symbols found) |
| 18:15.42 | stew | laptor: where do you see that? |
| 18:15.43 | laptor | what's this? |
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| 18:16.15 | laptor | on gecko-bugreport.txt |
| 18:17.33 | laptor | it give me /usr/lib/bug-buddy/gecko: No such file or directory. and Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0x2c0001f specified for 0x2c00069 (Error). |
| 18:17.34 | stew | laptor: debian strips debugging symbols from the packages. but if its java that is crashing and not iceweasel, this doesn't really matter |
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| 18:18.45 | laptor | and give me INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager |
| 18:18.45 | laptor | System error?:: Success |
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| 18:29.58 | abrotman | stew: do you know if the debate is here or oftc ? |
| 18:30.06 | abrotman | maybe that's a don question |
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| 18:30.53 | azeem | abrotman: I bet on oftc |
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| 18:31.28 | stew | abrotman: oftc |
| 18:31.43 | stew | oh shit that is today |
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| 18:32.07 | abrotman | i was just wondering .. the topic doesn't specify .. and the channels on freenode are empty |
| 18:32.15 | Zmanu | hello |
| 18:32.53 | azeem | oh topic |
| 18:32.58 | azeem | abrotman: fix it |
| 18:33.16 | peleg | hi. I want to build an executionable file that will just run bash commands in a procedural method, I mean, one after one; but I do need that file to receive one or two parameters, and use them within the bash commands. Do you have any idea where to start my research about how to do that? |
| 18:33.17 | abrotman | azeem: i can fix this one, but not the topics in the channels here |
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| 18:33.34 | Zmanu | i try to use bootcd to create a liveCD from etch, i create iso, if i test with virtualbox, there's no problem, if i burn a cdrom boot stop on "Begin: Waiting for root file system ..." is someone can help me to understand why ? |
| 18:33.39 | *** topic/#debian by abrotman -> DPL Debate at 20:30 UTC wednesday in #debian-dpl-debate on irc.oftc.net | 4.0r3 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
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| 18:33.42 | azeem | abrotman: which other channels? |
| 18:34.00 | abrotman | azeem: the old #debian-dpl-debate and #debian-dpl-discuss on freenode |
| 18:34.12 | abrotman | azeem: i'm in them both .. empty and topics are aged |
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| 18:34.52 | stew | dondelelcaro: ^^^ |
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| 18:35.05 | Zmanu | nobody use bootcd to make liveCD ? |
| 18:35.29 | JarekMk | hi |
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| 18:35.38 | JarekMk | have problem with upgrade |
| 18:35.50 | JarekMk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.50 | JarekMk | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:35.54 | JarekMk | wtf. ? |
| 18:36.14 | azeem | JarekMk: usual unstable breakage |
| 18:36.18 | stew | JarekMk: welcome to unstable |
| 18:36.23 | azeem | JarekMk: if you don't like breakage, run testing |
| 18:36.51 | peleg | hmm... I thought it should be, actually, quite trivial; only to run a few bash commands in a row, with one or two parameters. No ideas? |
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| 18:37.22 | azeem | peleg: it's called shell scripting |
| 18:37.33 | themill | !btssmite JarekMk |
| 18:37.33 | dpkg | beats JarekMk around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if JarekMk is running Unstable |
| 18:37.42 | peleg | azeem: cool. thanks. do you think I might find some google stuff about it? |
| 18:37.47 | azeem | yes |
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| 18:38.36 | peleg | thanks |
| 18:38.40 | a133x | peleg, you can use the $0 $1 $2 etc variables to read paramters passed to the script you are creating |
| 18:39.01 | peleg | a133x: ok, I'll check that. |
| 18:39.02 | peleg | thanks |
| 18:39.18 | stew | peleg: look for a 'bash programming howto' |
| 18:39.21 | JarekMk | can I fix this bug? |
| 18:39.28 | pgpkeys | www.tldp.org has several |
| 18:39.41 | azeem | JarekMk: hopefully you can! |
| 18:39.50 | azeem | JarekMk: because we don't support unstable |
| 18:39.52 | JarekMk | azeem: heh, but how ;p |
| 18:39.53 | stew | JarekMk: did you look at the workarounds in the bts? |
| 18:40.16 | themill | !dbug 471650 |
| 18:40.30 | azeem | !hi |
| 18:40.30 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
| 18:40.35 | themill | !dbugs 471650 |
| 18:40.38 | dpkg | #471650:S[libdjvulibre21] libdjvulibre21 should conflict/replace libdjvulibre15; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:57:01 UTC |
| 18:40.44 | JarekMk | stew: I readed a lof of tex but ther is no anserw |
| 18:40.46 | themill | bah... been away from the bot for too long... ;) |
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| 18:41.18 | themill | JarekMk: also read the bugs with which that one has been merged (there are 4 in total) |
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| 18:42.16 | stew | JarekMk: try reading the bugs again |
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| 18:42.43 | stew | JarekMk: or wait for it to be fixed. or try testing. |
| 18:42.58 | benjamindees | if I want to access usb cdrom/mass storage drives from the etch installer is there something I can copy to a floppy? |
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| 18:45.58 | SexyKen | Guys does anyone know the difference between running a server @ 110V to running it at 208V? Will 208V mean the servers will use less amperage? |
| 18:46.51 | benjamindees | SexyKen, probably yes, but you're going to have to be more specific. |
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| 18:47.22 | stew | SexyKen: ask #hardware |
| 18:47.49 | SexyKen | benamindees: How would you like me to be more specific? |
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| 18:48.45 | benjamindees | SexyKen, if you're thinking of just flipping a switch on your power supply I wouldn't recommend it. |
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| 18:51.02 | SexyKen | benjamindees, I'm not going to 'just flip a switch'. Currently I'm at a data center in texas with 15 servers, using a total of 42 AMPS @ 110V, I am moving to the Bay Area in california - I am curious to know if 208V would be more efficient or not, power in CA is ridiculous. |
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| 18:52.27 | themill | SexyKen: it shouldn't change the power consumption though... but this isn't really the right forum to ask such questions. Ask google though... first hit... http://www.ptsdcs.com/whitepapers/25.pdf |
| 18:52.41 | zyx386 | hi how can i contact to huawei E220 on debian, ?? |
| 18:52.52 | benjamindees | SexyKen, they charge you by the watt. The advantage of higher voltage is that it lets you use smaller wire. |
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| 18:53.36 | SexyKen | benjamindees: So you're saying that 208V wont use less watts than 110v @ 30A? |
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| 18:53.54 | benjamindees | SexyKen, not an economically appreciable amount. |
| 18:53.59 | zyx386 | i can't install gnome-ppp, because have no wvdial, and can't install vodafovne driver tool for linux because i hav'nt python |
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| 18:54.44 | benjamindees | SexyKen, unless you are running miles of wire. |
| 18:54.48 | SexyKen | benjamindees: Do you think running 42Amps of power in a single rack is a bad idea (heat wise) |
| 18:55.38 | benjamindees | SexyKen, I couldn't tell you; #hardware could. |
| 18:55.45 | zyx386 | or how can upgrade my kernel to2.6.20 or higher?? |
| 18:55.47 | Guerin | what is this, #electronicsfordummies? |
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| 18:55.54 | stew | zyx386: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:55.58 | Guerin | aka #burnmyhomeofficedownplz |
| 18:56.07 | stew | Guerin: in fact, it isn't |
| 18:56.12 | zyx386 | stew, 4 etch |
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| 18:56.26 | stew | zyx386: you can get a newer kernel from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 18:56.43 | zyx386 | but i hav'nt internet |
| 18:57.15 | zyx386 | my problem is, i cant connect to internet with my kernel version |
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| 18:57.39 | zyx386 | i have huawei e220 modem, and this not worked with old kernel |
| 18:58.07 | stew | zyx386: you can get newer kernel packages from backports.org and move it to debian using a floppy, usb key, etc.. |
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| 18:58.34 | Airbottle | maybe you try a live-cd (ubuntu maybe) and fix it zyx386 |
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| 18:58.58 | zyx386 | no i have debian 4 on my pc |
| 18:59.18 | benjamindees | how do I end up with the computers that refuse to boot from anything but a floppy? |
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| 18:59.28 | zyx386 | stew wich link? |
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| 19:00.15 | Airbottle | you messed up bios benjamindees? |
| 19:00.19 | stew | zyx386: backports.org, or one of the 'etch-backports' links from http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6 |
| 19:00.47 | benjamindees | Airbottle, no, there is no usb option; and this cdrom drive is screwy. |
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| 19:01.48 | zyx386 | stew, this link OK http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/i386/linux-image-2.6-486/download |
| 19:02.05 | stew | zyx386: yes |
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| 19:02.09 | stew | zyx386: well |
| 19:02.25 | stew | zyx386: you really want this package: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6.22-4-486 |
| 19:02.33 | stew | zyx386: which cpu do you have? |
| 19:02.41 | zyx386 | AMD |
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| 19:02.49 | stew | zyx386: which? |
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| 19:03.09 | stew | zyx386: you really want this package: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6.22-4-686 |
| 19:03.10 | jelly-home | benjamindees: maybe it can boot from the network? |
| 19:03.24 | stew | zyx386: (unless you are looking for a 64 bit kernel) |
| 19:03.47 | benjamindees | jelly-home, hmm, that may be possible; what do I need, a tftp server? |
| 19:04.17 | zyx386 | stew how can now wich cpu i have? |
| 19:05.06 | peleg | ok, I have written a very simple "hello world" file, in "bash scripting"... how can I execute it, though? |
| 19:05.33 | benjamindees | peleg, bash file.sh |
| 19:05.34 | peleg | hmm... bash filename works... any other way? |
| 19:05.41 | peleg | benjamindees: thanks :-) |
| 19:05.47 | benjamindees | chmod u+x file.sh && ./file.sh |
| 19:06.06 | benjamindees | you may need a shebang at the top |
| 19:06.19 | benjamindees | #/bin/bash |
| 19:06.26 | benjamindees | #!/bin/bash |
| 19:06.28 | benjamindees | rather |
| 19:06.34 | peleg | benjamindees: I have this, but I couldn't understand the chmod. |
| 19:06.58 | zyx386 | stew, now have the kernel of usb stick |
| 19:07.00 | peleg | you mean that my bash file is not executable? |
| 19:07.00 | benjamindees | that makes the file executable by the owner |
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| 19:07.10 | zyx386 | how can install it on debian |
| 19:07.11 | ccvp | does anyone know why, after upgrading to these new ATI drivers in ubuntu 7.10, that whenever I type in Firefox, in any form, or in the address bar, it is EXTREMELY slow? typing in xchat, or in a shell is normal paced, its as if firefox spawns slow, and takes input slow. |
| 19:07.13 | peleg | ok |
| 19:07.25 | stew | ccvp: wrong channel |
| 19:07.47 | ccvp | i should say "my linux box" |
| 19:07.50 | ccvp | then you wouldnt have said that |
| 19:07.56 | ccvp | i think its a generalized video driver issue |
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| 19:08.03 | stew | ccvp: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:08.15 | ccvp | i made a mistake, its happening on my |
| 19:08.17 | ccvp | debian box |
| 19:08.21 | ccvp | typo |
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| 19:08.28 | Airbottle | lol :D |
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| 19:08.56 | stew | zyx386: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' would tell you what cpu you have |
| 19:09.03 | peleg | benjamindees: still it says "test-bash: command not found" |
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| 19:09.51 | peleg | benjamindees: well, I can use "bash filename", I don't care... :-) |
| 19:10.05 | D-Fender | hi, for some reason, my computer is failing to run php when accessed from localhost, it's just asking me what i want to do with the file, rather than rendering.is there something i need to do to fix this? |
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| 19:10.44 | jelly-home | benjamindees: (tftp) yes; hopefully the release notes will have more details |
| 19:10.49 | zyx386 | stew, no such file or directory |
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| 19:13.24 | zyx386 | stew, ? |
| 19:13.37 | stew | zyx386: are you running linux? |
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| 19:13.47 | zyx386 | yes debian |
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| 19:14.10 | stew | zyx386: is /proc mounted? |
| 19:14.19 | zyx386 | i install ther pakage but no change the linux kernel |
| 19:14.23 | zyx386 | uname -a |
| 19:14.55 | Guerin | stew: shock! |
| 19:15.24 | stew | zyx386: did you reboot? |
| 19:15.30 | zyx386 | no |
| 19:15.45 | stew | zyx386: you'd have to reboot to use the new kernel |
| 19:15.58 | zyx386 | ok i reboot now |
| 19:16.03 | zyx386 | and try again |
| 19:16.05 | zyx386 | thanks |
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| 19:21.23 | zyx386 | stew, i update the kernel but can't install gnome-ppp |
| 19:21.38 | zyx386 | or vodafone driver for linux |
| 19:21.39 | stew | zyx386: why can't you install gnome-ppp? |
| 19:22.01 | zyx386 | because say is not wvdial on your pc |
| 19:22.10 | peleg | do you know any better way then AWK to replace specific strings in a file with new ones? |
| 19:22.14 | stew | zyx386: i ddin't understand that |
| 19:23.11 | jelly-home | peleg: sed? perl? |
| 19:23.11 | zyx386 | if i try to install gnome-ppp, say "error: dependecy is noot stisfiable: wvdial" |
| 19:23.20 | zyx386 | stew, |
| 19:23.23 | peleg | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.28 | jelly-home | !sed |
| 19:23.28 | dpkg | sed is, like, a stream editor. A stream editor is used to perform basic text transformations on an input stream (a file or input from a pipeline). Sed is located at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/sed/ or a pain in the ass, or see http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html for common usages. See http://sed.sourceforge.net/ for download, docs, books, scripts, etc. Also google "paolo bonzini sed" or /j #sed, or http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt |
| 19:23.29 | mmc | when is /var/lib/dpkg/info/${pkgname}.list removed? apt-get remove pkgname is not enough, nor "purge" ? |
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| 19:23.46 | peleg | thanks! |
| 19:23.50 | stew | zyx386: show us the output of "apt-cache policy gnome-ppp wvdial" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:24.05 | zyx386 | i cant |
| 19:24.20 | zyx386 | because have no internet of another pc with debian |
| 19:24.29 | rush2 | I installed mplayer. THere was many deps. How can I remove mplayer with all deps that aren't needed by another packages? |
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| 19:25.22 | jelly-home | mmc: remove would delete most files, except the conffiles. purge should get rid of it totally in normal conditions |
| 19:25.30 | DeFender1031 | hi, for some reason, my computer is failing to run php when accessed from localhost, it's just asking me what i want to do with the file, rather than rendering the PHP. is there something i need to do to fix this? |
| 19:25.43 | zyx386 | stew, i reinstall the debian again, i know many question is very havy to answer |
| 19:25.50 | mmc | what's the correct way of installing under /etc ? I have my package (which install files there) and dpkg -i silently forgets about those files (doesn't install them). |
| 19:26.38 | jelly-home | mmc: can you paste the output of "dpkg -l pkgname libc6|tail -2"? |
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| 19:27.49 | jelly-home | mmc: if your /etc files are conffiles, and you removed them manually, dpkg won't install them again. /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 19:28.19 | jelly-home | mmc: however, this ought to go back to normal after a purge |
| 19:28.24 | mmc | jelly-home: heh. ii maruska-preference 1.2 some configs. (libc6 mentions ubuntu) |
| 19:28.54 | jelly-home | mmc: yes. that last line would be where I'd tell you to ask in #ubuntu |
| 19:30.31 | jelly-home | Ubuntu has forked their dpkg, which gives a good excuse to play dumb and say their dpkg might act differently, and we can't help you |
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| 19:30.57 | mmc | jelly-home: thank you very much. the files somehow were tagged as config, wouldn't be removed, so I removed manually, and now I know that dpkg see it as on purpose. |
| 19:31.02 | hark | DeFender1031: how did you install php? |
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| 19:31.27 | DeFender1031 | hark, apt |
| 19:31.40 | DeFender1031 | why would i do anything else? |
| 19:31.46 | DeFender1031 | there's a reason i use debian |
| 19:31.53 | hark | DeFender1031: yes, but what package? |
| 19:32.07 | DeFender1031 | you think i remember? |
| 19:32.16 | DeFender1031 | php5 something i think |
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| 19:32.26 | jelly-home | mmc: also, if you're testing your package and repeatedly install and remove the same version, note that (Debian's :-) dpkg won't use the new install scripts until the package is purged |
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| 19:32.53 | hark | DeFender1031: ok |
| 19:32.56 | pscoe2 | i have an idea for a project.Is there any mentor around |
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| 19:33.18 | DeFender1031 | hark, so |
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| 19:33.19 | DeFender1031 | ? |
| 19:33.42 | sp | pscoe2: what kind of project? why do you need a mentor? |
| 19:34.00 | pscoe2 | i have an idea of mine for gsoc |
| 19:34.10 | pscoe2 | and i wanted to discuss it |
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| 19:34.16 | stew | pscoe2: try #debian-soc on irc.debian.org |
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| 19:35.47 | stew | dpkg soc is Google Summer of Code is a summer mentoring program created by Google, see http://code.google.com/soc and http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2008 or try #debian-soc on irc.debian.org |
| 19:35.47 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 19:39.58 | DeFender1031 | hark, so? |
| 19:40.04 | Lectus | Hello! I install a base debian system from lenny netinst. I want to install gnome. What are the packages that I need? gnome and xorg? Do I need the full xorg metapackage? |
| 19:40.12 | xenonex | hello |
| 19:40.48 | xenonex | "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz" is ia64 architecture processor? |
| 19:40.51 | semi_ | Lectus: if you don't care about getting something extra, just install the "desktop" task in tasksel when you are near the end of the installer |
| 19:40.54 | stew | Lectus: /msg dpkg install gnome |
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| 19:41.30 | stew | Lectus: you don't need the full xorg, but if you don't use it there are going to be a bunch of stuff you have to get by hand individually |
| 19:41.39 | vlt | Hello. I try to install mysql-server-5.0 on Etch but get an error msg from apt: "/etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf not found." Does anyone know what package this file belongs to? |
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| 19:42.08 | lymeca | I tried installing debian with debootstrap etch onto my domU but when I boot up the domU it complains that "Target filesystm doesn't have /sbin/init" |
| 19:42.18 | semi_ | I installed using the lenny beta 1 installer today. chose just the "standard" task in tasksel, and changed sources.list to use unstable, dist-upgraded and got a new kernel image. now the weird thing is that initramfs totally fails with things like "mount not found" |
| 19:42.22 | lymeca | It dumps me to a (initramfs) prompt with BusyBox |
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| 19:42.37 | lymeca | Really annoying...I want/need to get Debian installed and working with APT |
| 19:42.48 | DeFender1031 | xenonex, nope. amd64 |
| 19:42.57 | semi_ | after waiting for a while, it puts me in the initramfs prompt |
| 19:43.03 | lymeca | The next line says: "No init found. Try passing init= bootarg" |
| 19:43.06 | quentusrex | Anyone here know much about encrypted file systems? |
| 19:43.14 | semi_ | and there I can test myself that running mount indeed gives not found, but /bin/mount works |
| 19:43.16 | stew | lymeca: does /sbin/init exist? |
| 19:43.21 | lymeca | Wouldn't debootstrap install init by defauly when it is the base system? |
| 19:43.23 | semi_ | so the initrd is somehow broken |
| 19:43.23 | lymeca | stew: no |
| 19:43.27 | semi_ | what gives? |
| 19:43.44 | quentusrex | I want to be able to encrypt my file system so that nobody can take the hard drive and recover my files, but I don't want to have to type a password. |
| 19:44.04 | stew | lymeca: then something went wrong, that is part of the sysvinit package which should have certainly een installed by debootsrap |
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| 19:44.15 | Guerin | semi_: are you familiar with this term `beta'? You've tested it, now report your findings. |
| 19:44.16 | semi_ | quentusrex: then anyone else can boot your system just like they were you? |
| 19:44.28 | Bret | Hey there guys |
| 19:44.36 | semi_ | Guerin: but that's not really related to the "lenny beta1 installer" |
| 19:44.37 | Guerin | quentusrex: i want a pony. |
| 19:44.38 | quentusrex | semi_, I don't care if they can boot it. They can't log in. |
| 19:44.41 | semi_ | since that works |
| 19:44.45 | _haxi_ | what about phpbb3? is it the same shit than older versions? |
| 19:44.58 | semi_ | but after dist-upgrade, initrd is broken |
| 19:45.02 | quentusrex | I use CaC card and biometric to log into the system. |
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| 19:45.11 | DeFender1031 | xenonex, nope. amd64 |
| 19:45.18 | Guerin | semi_: oh, I see. Still worth checking BTS |
| 19:45.31 | Bret | I've got my new server today for my Game Server Provider. Now, it is saying Temporary unable to resolve... blah blah. Installed using Debian 4 i386 Minimal. |
| 19:45.33 | Bret | What do i need to do? |
| 19:45.39 | semi_ | I'm not sure which package I should check |
| 19:45.52 | lymeca | stew: I have my ramdisk initrd.img file correctly specified for my domU |
| 19:45.56 | Guerin | semi_: the kernel-image, probably. |
| 19:46.05 | lymeca | The initrd.img file not only exists but it correctly configured for my kernel |
| 19:46.15 | lymeca | stew: What would cause Debian not to be able to see it? |
| 19:46.30 | semi_ | maybe the package that generates initrd? |
| 19:46.54 | stew | lymeca: if you are getting to busybox, then debian is seeing it, since that is where it is running busybox from |
| 19:47.10 | lymeca | stew: Okay then what is the problem then? |
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| 19:47.20 | lymeca | stew: init the binary exe not being found? |
| 19:47.24 | stew | lymeca: that, as you confirmed, /sbin/init doesn't exist |
| 19:47.36 | stew | semi_: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" would rebuild the initrd for $version |
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| 19:47.44 | xenonex | seriously? |
| 19:47.48 | stew | xenonex: seriously |
| 19:47.55 | stew | xenonex: ia64 is itanium |
| 19:48.04 | lymeca | stew: so why did the sysvinit package not put /sbin/init there? |
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| 19:48.27 | stew | lymeca: what versoin of sysvinit is installed? |
| 19:48.32 | DeFender1031 | xenonex, yes |
| 19:48.35 | lymeca | how do I cehck with Busybox? |
| 19:48.39 | stew | lymeca: you can't |
| 19:48.51 | lymeca | umm |
| 19:48.51 | nazgjunk | quick question, i'm installing lenny in a VM and it's stuck at 72 percent, saying "installed dhcp3-common", been stuck on this for a while now. Still responds to alt-f2 and the like - any quick fix to this or should i just reinstall? |
| 19:48.55 | stew | lymeca: chroot into the install and use dpkg |
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| 19:49.02 | lymeca | well okay it was installed from daily updated ecth mirror |
| 19:49.07 | Justin | nazgjunk: run ps ? |
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| 19:49.34 | Rokistar | When I go in my driver appear this message The software source for the package xorg-driver-fglrx is not enabled. How I install this? |
| 19:49.40 | nazgjunk | Justin: how's that supposed to help? |
| 19:49.46 | Rokistar | Because I cant find it |
| 19:49.52 | Justin | nazgjunk: because something is clearly stuck, and you might want to see what |
| 19:49.58 | nazgjunk | nothing too extraordinary to be seen there |
| 19:49.58 | abrotman | Rokistar: which version of debian? |
| 19:50.07 | scout_ | how do you manually remove an install that fails when you do a purge in dpkg? |
| 19:50.08 | nazgjunk | i've no clue how to recognize anything being stuck :/ |
| 19:50.19 | bobb | hello all... I am running a server w/ etch... i apt-get installed xvnc4server , and the server doesn't stay open... can anyone help me? |
| 19:50.29 | abrotman | scout_: paste the error somewhere .. show us the whole output |
| 19:50.58 | Justin | nazgjunk: what is running? |
| 19:51.04 | lymeca | stew: 2.86.ds1-38 |
| 19:51.06 | xuser | bobb: what do you mean? |
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| 19:51.23 | bobb | i want to run a vnc4 server.... |
| 19:51.40 | Justin | bobb: look for logs in ~/.vnc/ |
| 19:51.43 | jmpp_ | greets and asks a question about dpkg-query |
| 19:51.48 | nazgjunk | some perl processes, one dpkg, and aptitude is doing -something- |
| 19:51.53 | scout_ | abrotman: i understand it's not correct to paste here, is there a bin i can use? |
| 19:51.54 | xuser | what do you mean by 'it doesn't stay open'? |
| 19:52.00 | lymeca | stew: wait a minute... when I mount it /sbin/init exists |
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| 19:52.08 | jmpp_ | how can I list installed packages ordered by their installation date...? |
| 19:52.08 | abrotman | !paste |
| 19:52.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:52.20 | lymeca | stew: so debian is just not reading the file that *is* there |
| 19:52.20 | abrotman | Rokistar: please ask #ubuntu |
| 19:52.28 | stew | lymeca: then i'd verify that you are actually using the correct root= option |
| 19:52.37 | jmpp_ | dpkg-query's -l polls the /var/lib/dpkg/status file, but as far as I can see, no installation date is recorded in it |
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| 19:53.00 | dondelelcaro | The executive summary: |
| 19:53.13 | stew | jmpp_: you can look at /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 19:53.35 | scout_ | i believe this is it: http://paste.debian.net/51917 |
| 19:53.36 | stew | jmpp_: but this information is not permanantly recorded anywhere |
| 19:53.45 | Justin | jmpp_: the creation time of /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.list would be the installation date |
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| 19:54.07 | jmpp_ | where the final package is a wild card expanding to the name of the package...? |
| 19:54.12 | jmpp_ | or the literal package word? |
| 19:54.20 | Justin | jmpp_: * |
| 19:54.28 | jmpp_ | checks |
| 19:55.05 | semi_ | stew: I've everything upgraded, and reinstalled initramfs-tools and linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 and that reinstallation also regenerates the initrd and it still fails |
| 19:55.16 | semi_ | so I assume others should be seeing this too |
| 19:55.32 | scout_ | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/51917 |
| 19:55.33 | stew | semi_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:55.40 | peleg | hey. the command sed 's/foo/bar/g' sedfile replaces all shows of foo in sedfile, and echos it in the terminal. so: I tried the command sed 's/foo/bar/g' sedfile > sedfile, but instead of updating the file, it empties it. any ideas why? |
| 19:55.51 | abrotman | scout_: so start mailscanner ? |
| 19:56.04 | scout_ | abrotman: i've done that |
| 19:56.17 | stew | peleg: use -i |
| 19:56.28 | abrotman | scout_: or edit the mailscanner.prerm and comment out that line |
| 19:56.36 | vlt | peleg: As soon as you tell you r shell to write to the file it's empty ... |
| 19:56.38 | peleg | stew: ok, thanks; but what is it? |
| 19:56.39 | stew | peleg: (instead of >, since > truncates the file before it is read) |
| 19:56.40 | jmpp_ | just an out of the blue suggestion.... recording the installation date would be a great addition ;-) |
| 19:56.42 | scout_ | abrotman: roger that let me go look |
| 19:56.51 | stew | peleg: its a command line option to sed, its documented in the manpage |
| 19:57.00 | jmpp_ | going through the .list files still means having to try and remember what was installed |
| 19:57.03 | peleg | stew: oh, thanks! |
| 19:57.07 | stew | jmpp_: file a wishlist bug against the dpkg package |
| 19:57.16 | stew | jmpp_: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 19:57.52 | stew | jmpp_: suggesting it there could result in something being done, suggesting it here will amost certainly not result in anything being done |
| 19:57.56 | jmpp_ | whereas listing by date could buy you the ability to say sometthing like "I don't exactly remmeber what I've installed, but I do know that I started working on this box on date $date, so lets have a look at packages installed form then on" |
| 19:58.15 | stew | jmpp_: you could check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:58.23 | scout_ | abrotman: you are the man, i didnt know what file that would be under, found the section and commented. it is removing as we speak. thank you sir |
| 19:58.31 | jmpp_ | stew: just saying... but I know how open source goes ;-) |
| 19:58.35 | abrotman | scout_: enjoy! |
| 19:58.42 | Justin | jmpp_: ls -trl /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
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| 19:58.54 | Justin | jmpp_: that isn't really "going through" |
| 19:59.01 | Austin` | I apt-get installed gcc, where would the install location be |
| 19:59.13 | jmpp_ | always has problems remembering all the ls date related options |
| 19:59.14 | stew | Austin`: "dpkg -L pacakgename" lists the files installed by a package |
| 19:59.21 | jmpp_ | Justin: thanks for that hint! |
| 19:59.31 | Justin | Austin`: why do you care? it's in your $PATH |
| 20:00.11 | Austin` | I'm missing a source file (php.h) so I was going to look in the folder |
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| 20:00.14 | semi_ | stew: I seem to have found a related bug tracker entry and a workaround. I guess I just needed some encouragement :) |
| 20:00.30 | Justin | !wayttd Austin` |
| 20:00.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Austin`? |
| 20:01.12 | Bret | I've got my new server today for my Game Server Provider. Now, it is saying Temporary unable to resolve... blah blah. Installed using Debian 4 i386 Minimal. |
| 20:01.15 | Bret | What do i need to do? |
| 20:01.25 | stew | Bret: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:01.26 | Austin` | Trying to compile a bunch of files, making this: http://repasm.net/ |
| 20:01.40 | Austin` | And I get error that php.h is missing |
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| 20:02.25 | stew | Austin`: you would need to install php development packages. "/msg dpkg apt-file" for help figuring out which |
| 20:02.30 | Bret | Stew. all i'm doing is apt-get update |
| 20:02.41 | Bret | It's when i do anything like that, any apt-gets any wgets |
| 20:03.01 | stew | Bret: show us the error |
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| 20:03.42 | Bret | Ok, 1 minute |
| 20:03.52 | Bret | I |
| 20:04.01 | Bret | I'll say now, that i can ping other IP's though. |
| 20:04.16 | vlt | Hello. `dpkg -L mysql-common` says there's a file /etc/mysql/my.cnf. but after `aptitude reinstall mysql-common` it's not there. Any idea? |
| 20:04.27 | stew | vlt: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 20:06.00 | vlt | stew: Aah, thank you. |
| 20:06.05 | Bret | http://pastebin.com/m7a932539 |
| 20:06.20 | Austin` | When I apt-file update it asks for a cd? |
| 20:06.33 | Bret | Stew: http://pastebin.com/m7a932539 |
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| 20:06.44 | ricosecada | !xmms |
| 20:06.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, xmms is the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080302T105714Z.html For alternatives, look at xmms2, rhythmbox, amarok, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... |
| 20:06.48 | stew | Bret: looks like your name resolution isn't working, which is configured in /etc/resolv.conf ; man resolv.conf |
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| 20:07.02 | stew | Austin`: it would if your /etc/apt/sources.list is pointing to cds |
| 20:07.30 | Bret | Ok, how do i fix it? |
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| 20:07.45 | stew | Bret: by editing /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:07.52 | Bret | What to? |
| 20:08.21 | stew | Bret: "man resolv.conf" will tell you what goes into that file. your problem is a missing or incorrect nameserver entry |
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| 20:08.34 | ChibaPet | Hey all. Does anything like http://www.daemon-systems.org/man/mount_overlay.8.html exist for Lignux? |
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| 20:09.10 | ricosecada | Why is xmms removed from lenny/sid? |
| 20:09.25 | Bret | Oh ok, im not quite sure what you mean on how to fix it. If i type man resolv.conf it will tell me what i need to put into the /etc/resolv.conf ? Or what |
| 20:09.57 | stew | Bret: if you type "man resolv.conf" it would explain what should be in that file |
| 20:10.05 | Bret | Ok |
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| 20:10.26 | Justin | ricosecada: read the bug reffered to in the url that dpkg gave you |
| 20:10.27 | ChibaPet | Entaro adun, Tassadar! |
| 20:10.38 | Bret | No manual entry for resolf.conf |
| 20:10.40 | stew | ricosecada: http://packages.qa.debian.org/xmms should link to a "REMOVED" message that lists a bug# |
| 20:10.47 | pgpkeys | v not f |
| 20:10.54 | Bret | Good point |
| 20:11.03 | ricosecada | I read that, but what is the bug that demands a removal, I don't understand it. |
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| 20:11.33 | Justin | ricosecada: FFS. xmms is broken. there are a bunch of newer programs that work exactly the same way that aren't broken. |
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| 20:11.52 | abrotman | ricosecada: use xmms2 ? |
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| 20:12.13 | ricosecada | xmms2 with server/client.. no thanks :-) |
| 20:12.18 | ChibaPet | Overlay filesystems, anyone? Is there a different name for them on Linux systems? |
| 20:12.31 | stew | ricosecada: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html |
| 20:12.32 | Bret | That just confused me. |
| 20:12.33 | ricosecada | I'll rather look into why its broken.. thanks Justin |
| 20:12.47 | ricosecada | stew, thanks! |
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| 20:13.01 | abrotman | ricosecada: it's basically dead .. |
| 20:13.10 | abrotman | ricosecada: what are you actually loooking to do? |
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| 20:13.27 | Justin | abrotman: complain it seems :) |
| 20:13.27 | ricosecada | I didn't know that, I have always been using xmms and just love that player :-) |
| 20:13.33 | abrotman | audacious? |
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| 20:13.59 | ricosecada | Justin.. no not complain, I would try to fix some problems.. but that seems a waste of time.. |
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| 20:14.06 | ricosecada | abrotman, yes, I will use that |
| 20:14.14 | Justin | ricosecada: yes, especially since those problems are _already fixed_ |
| 20:14.29 | ricosecada | Justing.. yes quite a fix |
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| 20:14.47 | Justin | ricosecada: I suppose you are also still running netscape 4? :-P |
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| 20:15.12 | ricosecada | Justin :-) I just never heard about xmms.. :-) |
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| 20:17.55 | entaro | ChibaPet: indeed! |
| 20:19.15 | Bret | Stew: all my resolv.conf says now is 192.168.0.4 |
| 20:19.38 | jelly-home | chibapet, too bad you left before getting an answer! |
| 20:19.55 | jmpp_ | I'll come out of the closet and disclaim that I'm a dpkg n00b! |
| 20:19.57 | Bret | Any ideas what i need to change the IP to? |
| 20:20.06 | jmpp_ | I don't seem to have a /var/log/dpkg.log file |
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| 20:20.22 | jmpp_ | and I don't see a .conf file where I can instruct dpkg to log someplace or other |
| 20:20.29 | stew | Bret: that might be the right ip, but your file should contain a nameserver entry, not just a bare ip |
| 20:20.35 | Bret | it says |
| 20:20.36 | jelly-home | Bret: "nameserver your_router's ip", possibly |
| 20:20.38 | jmpp_ | so, where can I configure dpkg's logging? |
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| 20:20.47 | Bret | nameservers 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:20.55 | Bret | nameservers 192.168.0.4 even |
| 20:21.16 | jelly-home | that plural looks suspicious |
| 20:21.31 | Bret | this is for a dedicated server i rent |
| 20:21.35 | Bret | not a home pc |
| 20:22.03 | halflife | jmpp_: /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf |
| 20:22.10 | jelly-home | Bret: you will need to find out your provider's dns server ip and put it there |
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| 20:22.39 | jmpp_ | halflife: that would seem rather obvious... but I don't have that file either |
| 20:22.40 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 20:22.46 | abrotman | no one can see you |
| 20:22.54 | man_in_shack | at what point in the boot process is the locale set? |
| 20:23.03 | abrotman | /nick man_steps_out_of_shack_and_waves ? |
| 20:23.14 | jmpp_ | may I assume dpkg operates with default values when its conf file is not present? |
| 20:23.43 | stew | Bret: its nameserver not nameservers |
| 20:23.59 | jelly-home | halflife: do you mean /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg? |
| 20:24.01 | stew | Bret: if you don't know what the nameserver ips you should be using are, ask you isp |
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| 20:24.12 | Bret | Wait. Yeah it does say nameserver |
| 20:24.14 | abrotman | man_in_shack: grep environment /etc/rcS.d/* ? |
| 20:24.20 | halflife | jmpp_: dpkg -L dpkg | grep etc |
| 20:24.22 | Bret | I must have just put s on in a fluent motion lol |
| 20:24.23 | jmpp_ | jelly-home: yeah, that's the name according to the man page |
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| 20:24.44 | halflife | oh yeah i meant dpkg.cfg not conf |
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| 20:25.04 | man_in_shack | abrotman, i have no /etc/environment, it seems |
| 20:25.13 | Bret | nameserver 192.168.0.4 |
| 20:25.21 | Bret | Is exactly what it says in that file |
| 20:25.29 | tymonn | Hey |
| 20:25.30 | Bret | I've asked my provider, waiting game :( |
| 20:25.42 | jmpp_ | halflife: yeap, definitely no cfg file in that file listing |
| 20:25.43 | abrotman | man_in_shack: you don't? |
| 20:25.47 | tymonn | how do i know wich disks i have to mount in NTFS to do this |
| 20:25.47 | tymonn | to mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/C -o umask=0,nls=utf8 |
| 20:25.59 | man_in_shack | abrotman, nope |
| 20:26.02 | stew | abrotman: i don't either |
| 20:26.06 | abrotman | man_in_shack: also grep for locale |
| 20:26.12 | abrotman | stew: it's just me .. i'm a freak |
| 20:26.15 | Justin | tymonn: fdisk -l |
| 20:26.19 | abrotman | stupid stable debian stuff! |
| 20:26.28 | jmpp_ | so, if I wanted to create a virgin dpkg.cfg file, how would a proper logging instruction look like? |
| 20:26.35 | tymonn | Justin: you rock :) |
| 20:26.43 | jmpp_ | does it use syslog? if so, what facility? |
| 20:26.48 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 20:26.48 | halflife | jmpp_: what is the distribution you are running ? |
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| 20:26.53 | tymonn | Justin: just one more question, is this correct? to mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/da2 /media/C -o umask=0,nls=utf8 |
| 20:26.54 | jmpp_ | debian sarge |
| 20:27.01 | jmpp_ | 3.1 if I'm not mistaken |
| 20:27.07 | abrotman | stew: no idea where it came from .. it's an etch box |
| 20:27.08 | Justin | tymonn: no idea, never used ntfs-3g |
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| 20:27.20 | halflife | jmpp_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:27.20 | man_in_shack | so at what point in the boot process are rcS scripts executed? :) |
| 20:27.26 | stew | abrotman: it used to be standard, it seems to have disappeared |
| 20:27.27 | tymonn | Justin: you only use ext3 right |
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| 20:27.41 | Justin | tymonn: I don't use windows |
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| 20:27.50 | stew | man_in_shack: the beginning |
| 20:27.58 | tymonn | Justin: im tryin to leave windows too =) |
| 20:28.10 | man_in_shack | this is the thing, locale is not set in xorg |
| 20:28.19 | man_in_shack | unless i restart it after booting |
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| 20:28.57 | jmpp_ | halflife: heh, thanks for that incredibly simple but useful tip ;-) yeap, 3.1 it is |
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| 20:31.28 | halflife | jmpp_: log /var/log/dpkg.log is all i have in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg may that will help in your virgin dpkg.cfg file |
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| 20:32.44 | jmpp_ | halflife: thanks, I'll start off with that |
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| 20:34.56 | zyx386 | stew,? |
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| 20:36.05 | stew | zyx386: hi |
| 20:36.13 | zyx386 | hi to |
| 20:36.40 | zyx386 | i will install vodafone driver for linux, butm become this error |
| 20:36.48 | zyx386 | Error: Dependency is not satisfaible: python |
| 20:37.20 | stew | zyx386: what happens when you run "aptitude install python"? |
| 20:37.29 | zyx386 | ok wait |
| 20:37.44 | halflife | zyx386: which python does it return anything ? if not install python |
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| 20:38.50 | zyx386 | stew, no pakage will be installed, upgraded, removed |
| 20:38.58 | man_in_shack | anyone know why locale might not be set in xorg when it's set correctly on a terminal login? |
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| 20:39.12 | stew | zyx386: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:39.35 | zyx386 | can not because i have no internet of this pc |
| 20:40.17 | stew | zyx386: since i have to guess, i would guess that you don't have any sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list which are able to provide the python package |
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| 20:40.36 | zyx386 | i have just DVD debian |
| 20:40.49 | stew | zyx386: since you don't have a network connection, i'd guess you'd need to add a cdrom source to /etc/apt/sources.list for a debian cd containing python |
| 20:41.02 | zyx386 | i add that |
| 20:41.19 | stew | zyx386: have you run aptitude update or apt-get update? |
| 20:41.41 | zyx386 | yes |
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| 20:43.12 | stew | zyx386: what does "apt-cache policy python" say for "Candidate:"? |
| 20:43.27 | zyx386 | he sayd the python ok |
| 20:43.57 | zyx386 | 2.4.4-2 |
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| 20:45.04 | stew | zyx386: what happens if you run 'aptitude install python" |
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| 20:45.26 | zyx386 | cndidate: 2.4.4.2 vesion table ***2.4.4-2 |
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| 20:45.42 | zyx386 | no pakage installed, upgraded, or removed |
| 20:45.45 | zyx386 | stew |
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| 20:46.09 | stew | zyx386: what command did you run that gave you the error "Dependency is not satisfaible: python" |
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| 20:46.32 | zyx386 | simply dople click of .deb |
| 20:46.39 | lepta_ | ave pple! |
| 20:46.58 | stew | zyx386: i don't understand what you are trying to do |
| 20:47.11 | stew | zyx386: what happens if you run "aptitude -f install"? |
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| 20:48.12 | zyx386 | stew, no pakage will be installed, upgraded, or removed |
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| 20:48.46 | stew | zyx386: what does "simply dople click of .deb" mean? |
| 20:49.35 | zyx386 | i download the software her https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/frs/download.php/76/vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux_1.99.17_i386.deb |
| 20:50.55 | zyx386 | and itr to install with GDebi package installer |
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| 20:51.45 | stew | zyx386: that package was created for ubuntu, not debian |
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| 20:52.03 | stew | zyx386: (or some other distribution) |
| 20:52.04 | zyx386 | are you sure? |
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| 20:52.25 | stew | zyx386: yes, it depends on python >= 2.5, which isn't in debian yet |
| 20:52.40 | zyx386 | stew, but how can contact to internet with huawei e 220 on debian |
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| 20:52.55 | stew | zyx386: i don't konw. i don't konw what that is |
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| 20:53.06 | zyx386 | stew, ok i try the old version |
| 20:53.09 | MacTaylor | is jfs faster than ext3? |
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| 20:53.47 | zyx386 | ok thanks |
| 20:53.54 | zyx386 | stew, |
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| 20:55.49 | arooni | is there a mod_perl or such for apache ? |
| 20:55.56 | nse | impression of power: http://maxima.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:56.10 | nse | oh sorry. wrong channel |
| 20:56.28 | arooni | it looks as if the debian version of apache has no mod_perl......... oh noes!!!! what to do ? [debian etch] |
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| 20:56.43 | Eulex | arooni, do you need a mod_perl? |
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| 20:56.55 | arooni | Eulex, i dont know i'm getting this error: |
| 20:57.01 | arooni | when i'm trying to use the uber uploader: http://uber-uploader.sourceforge.net/ .... i have the .pl file in my apps cgi-bin directory... and i've chmodd'd it to be 755 .... but when I try to execute it in firefox i get a message that says: "You have chosen to open uu_upload.pl which is a : PL file from http://www.interviewhacks.com" ... how can i get this to actually execute? |
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| 20:57.37 | Eulex | arooni, does it have a shebang? |
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| 20:57.47 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 20:58.04 | HSorgYves | how can i check if the network card is set to half or full duplex? |
| 20:58.10 | arooni | Eulex, #!/usr/bin/perl -w |
| 20:58.10 | Eulex | arooni, and fyi, if you really need it, there's a libapache2-mod-perl2 package. |
| 20:58.27 | keith4_ | HSorgYves: ethtool |
| 20:58.53 | HSorgYves | keith4_: which package? |
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| 20:59.05 | keith4_ | HSorgYves: ethtool |
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| 20:59.28 | pleaseandthankyo | do you have to respect and let them know that you respect others beliefs? what if someone hurt you for it? |
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| 20:59.50 | Eulex | arooni, then I don't think that that program needs mod_perl anyway. I don't know what the problem might be either; check so the web server is set up correctly and perhaps add a .htaccess in the right directory (even though it shouldn't be needed for cgi-bin). anyway, I'm off to bed. |
| 20:59.55 | abrotman | pleaseandthankyo: wrong cahnnel |
| 20:59.58 | jelly-home | arooni: you'll want to either put it in a directory with ExecCGI set up, or change its extension into one handled by cgi handler (and don't forget to make it executable) |
| 21:00.04 | HSorgYves | keith4_: thx |
| 21:00.29 | pleaseandthankyo | do you have to respect and let them know that you respect others beliefs? what if someone hurt you for not respecting or suggest that they will and is practicing to hurt you? |
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| 21:00.52 | arooni | jelly-home, which is sbetter |
| 21:00.54 | abrotman | pleaseandthankyo: please keep it on topic |
| 21:01.17 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's a known kook |
| 21:01.25 | abrotman | jelly-home: he's canadian? |
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| 21:01.34 | jelly-home | net.kook :-) |
| 21:01.39 | keith4_ | lol |
| 21:02.05 | jelly-home | abrotman: I didn't know _that_ meaning! |
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| 21:02.37 | jelly-home | arooni: whatever works for you, it's a matter of local setup/policies |
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| 21:03.56 | arooni | jelly-home, omg |
| 21:04.00 | arooni | you're right! |
| 21:04.01 | arooni | it works |
| 21:04.12 | arooni | check out this sexy video |
| 21:04.13 | arooni | http://www.interviewhacks.com/videos/play.php?vid=81 |
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| 21:04.15 | arooni | hahaah yay! |
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| 21:05.04 | jelly-home | arooni: if it were me, I'd probably add .pl to the "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi" line |
| 21:05.11 | pmv_ | net.kook? |
| 21:05.52 | arooni | jelly-home, i created a new directory directive and added the execgi and addhandler |
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| 21:13.57 | elwood | hi all |
| 21:14.10 | peleg | I am using sed inside a bash script; but, I want to include parameters like $1 in the sed command; though, instead of replacing "foo" with "bar" which is the content of the first parameter, it replaces each "foo" with $1. any ideas how to avoid it? |
| 21:14.15 | peleg | elwood: hi. :-) |
| 21:14.21 | elwood | how should be a correct sources.list for lenny? |
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| 21:14.50 | stew | peleg: show us the actual command you are trying to run |
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| 21:15.21 | peleg | sed 's/svntest/$1/g' /etc/apache2/sites-available/$1 -i |
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| 21:15.31 | peleg | the first $1 wouldn't work, but the second would. |
| 21:15.42 | peleg | probably because of the '...' |
| 21:15.58 | _vvd | is there something like netstat for dbus? |
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| 21:16.56 | _vvd | id like to send some dbus messages around |
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| 21:18.23 | jmpp_ | does anyone know if syslog facilities are hardcoded names? I mean, other than the local* facilities, may I write a configuration line for a facility of my own, foo, in /etc/syslog.conf? |
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| 21:18.56 | lunaphyte | jmpp_: hardcoded. |
| 21:19.19 | jmpp_ | so I can only use local* for custom stuff.... |
| 21:19.48 | lunaphyte | yeah. |
| 21:19.54 | jmpp_ | thanks |
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| 21:20.18 | jmpp_ | interesting to note that there's no 'network' facility.,.. |
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| 21:21.00 | peleg | oh: double quotes might solve the problem. |
| 21:21.27 | quentusrex | How do I send a beep to the computer? |
| 21:21.39 | quentusrex | I want the motherboard to beep the onboard speaker. |
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| 21:23.02 | Flash_ | quentusrex, http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/beep_on_filechange.htm |
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| 21:26.36 | tymonn | how do i ask the bot an HOW TO INSTALL my nvidia card? |
| 21:27.07 | rahul | !nvidia |
| 21:27.07 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 21:27.35 | rahul | note, that will not tell you how to install the card, only the drivers |
| 21:28.09 | rahul | if you need help with the hardware, look at the documentation that came in the box |
| 21:28.55 | tymonn | rahul: :) thanks |
| 21:29.12 | pgpkeys | rahul: that was you that signed up yesterday? |
| 21:29.22 | pgpkeys | got an email about it |
| 21:29.44 | rahul | signed up to what? |
| 21:29.56 | pgpkeys | my blog |
| 21:30.00 | rahul | oh, no |
| 21:30.17 | pgpkeys | hrmm. thought it was your address. ok, sorry |
| 21:30.24 | lontra | what package do i need installed to preview music files in nautilus? |
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| 21:30.56 | rahul | I have enough trouble keeping up with BBC News. I don't need to track blogs, too :) |
| 21:31.02 | pgpkeys | hahaha |
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| 21:31.42 | mirak | hi |
| 21:31.50 | mirak | when I get a repository with svn, what is the good directory, branch or trunk ?? |
| 21:31.52 | pgpkeys | well once i get this plugin infrastructure change in place, i've got things lined up in such a way you'll be reading my sitename on BBC most likely :) |
| 21:32.06 | pgpkeys | probably not in a good way in all instances but oh well |
| 21:32.21 | rahul | heh ok, then :) |
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| 21:32.44 | pmv_ | mirak, good for what? |
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| 21:33.09 | mirak | pmv_: I dont know the difference |
| 21:33.45 | pmv_ | mirak, trunk is the main branch. usually stable (but depends on maintainers). |
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| 21:33.54 | valdyn | mirak: we dont know the difference either, its really up to whoever put that stuff online to determine which branch is useful for what |
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| 21:34.06 | mirak | ok |
| 21:34.06 | pmv_ | you usually want to get trunk or a release tag |
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| 21:34.18 | pmv_ | for releases, that is |
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| 21:34.34 | pmv_ | or if you want it for development or to be updated with some branch, then get branch |
| 21:34.41 | lxsu | hi |
| 21:35.22 | CastingCrowns | HI, I was on a web page and saved the page to my desktop, but now when I click on the file to bring up the page I get an error "No Hostname specified" Does anyone know what this means? |
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| 21:35.45 | tymonn | rahul: i should use the 'nvidia' driver right, in order to have 3D accelaration |
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| 21:36.04 | lxsu | someone who can help me.... i´m n00b ;) |
| 21:36.07 | rahul | tymonn: yes. the one that the wiki talks about there |
| 21:36.10 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I enable NTP support for the System Tray Clock in Gnome ? Seems I'm missing a package |
| 21:36.17 | rahul | where you were referred to |
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| 21:36.49 | rahul | Jemt: huh? you just install ntp |
| 21:36.52 | valdyn | Jemt: in which gnome release? |
| 21:36.56 | rahul | Jemt: what does it have to do with gnome? |
| 21:36.57 | Jemt | Gnome 2.14 |
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| 21:37.36 | Jemt | Ah, just "ntp" ? Ok, I'll try that :) |
| 21:38.39 | tymonn | rahul: its ok to install the ETCH way even if im using LENNY ? |
| 21:39.20 | rahul | tymonn: probably not... |
| 21:40.20 | seezer | hi. anyone running a apache webserver with suexec'ed php and either packaged libapache2-mod-fastcgi or libapache2-mod-fcgid on etch? got some problems on "high load" |
| 21:40.23 | Jemt | Thanks :) |
| 21:40.25 | rahul | tymonn: why don't you use the lenny drivers in lenny? |
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| 21:45.23 | bobb | is there anyway to setup a hostname alias... like say i want to make the hostname "me" resolve to me.domain.com.... i don't want to use /etc/hosts since the server ip is not static |
| 21:46.06 | valdyn | bobb: you can use /etc/hosts for the private ip and / or localhost |
| 21:46.20 | valdyn | bobb: it does not need to be your internet domain name |
| 21:46.54 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 21:46.54 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 21:46.58 | RedRum_ | can someone look at this command and tell me what's wrong? |
| 21:46.59 | RedRum_ | http://home.no.net/vrm/test123.php |
| 21:47.07 | valdyn | bobb: then, a hostname is something else than a dns domain name |
| 21:47.14 | valdyn | bobb: they can match but they dont have to match |
| 21:47.31 | jelly-home | RedRum_: it's an ugly redirection to somewhere else! |
| 21:47.41 | bobb | i don't mean my system.... |
| 21:48.11 | jelly-home | RedRum_: are you spamming? |
| 21:48.22 | bobb | say i want to ssh into shell.berlios.de and i want to just be able to type ssh berlios |
| 21:48.27 | bobb | is that possible? |
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| 21:48.45 | valdyn | bobb: thats ugly , but if you do not have a local "me" then you can add "search domain.com" to /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:49.30 | valdyn | bobb: i.e. if you have "search google.com" in /etc/resolv.conf then the host "mail" will also be searched at mail.google.com |
| 21:49.32 | jeward | I have a strange situation on several servers I'm upgrading from sarge to etch: |
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| 21:49.45 | bobb | yeah, ugly |
| 21:49.46 | jeward | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 21:49.46 | jeward | E: Unable to correct dependencies, some packages cannot be installed |
| 21:50.14 | valdyn | bobb: or you alias the whole shell commaand |
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| 21:50.32 | jeward | No diagnostics and dpkg --configure -a doesn't seem to fix it? |
| 21:50.35 | bobb | valdyn: possibly |
| 21:50.47 | jaggy- | I'm storing spool files in /var/spool/projectname/ but I noticed the directory size gets to be pretty large -- even with few files in it |
| 21:50.48 | jelly-home | !ops RedRum_ pasting links to fishy 7MB flash (I'm afraid to run it) under disguise of a paste |
| 21:50.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: RedRum_ pasting links to fishy 7MB flash (I'm afraid to run it) under disguise of a paste |
| 21:51.18 | RedRum_ | jelly-home: no, i'm not spamming |
| 21:51.26 | jaggy- | I'm storing spool files in /var/spool/projectname/ but I noticed the directory size gets to be pretty large -- even with few files in it. I'm trying to come up with a good way to store some temporary data (useful only for a minute or two) but for stateless web stuff... |
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| 21:52.01 | jaggy- | I considered using /dev/shm but I don't know how I'm going to impact the directory structure stuff, being that the on-disk directory handling seems to leave a mess |
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| 21:52.20 | jelly-home | RedRum_: that page redirects via javascript to a page which loads a 7MB flash. Use a normal public pastebin if you're serious. |
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| 21:52.51 | RedRum_ | oh.. |
| 21:52.54 | RedRum_ | sorry |
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| 21:53.31 | internat85 | does debian have a way to make like an automatic deploy package or something, that installs/configures packages based on a template or something? |
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| 21:55.16 | jelly-home | Maulkin: in other news, "AfterDeath" sent me a private "I'm away" style /msg after that !ops |
| 21:55.49 | abrotman | !hi |
| 21:55.49 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 21:56.00 | abrotman | !ops |
| 21:56.00 | dpkg | from memory, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 21:56.05 | jeward | abrotman: My hero! |
| 21:56.06 | abrotman | AfterDeath: turn that off |
| 21:56.16 | jelly-home | AfterDeath: triggering your stuff on !ops is not a good idea here |
| 21:56.21 | jeward | abrotman: Did you see my delimma above? |
| 21:56.23 | Maulkin | ops |
| 21:56.26 | Maulkin | coo |
| 21:56.28 | Maulkin | !ops |
| 21:56.29 | dpkg | i guess ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 21:56.31 | abrotman | Maulkin: just do a !ops .. no problem |
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| 21:56.40 | *** kick/#debian [AfterDeath!n=maulkin@debian/developer/neilm] by Maulkin (you should know better) |
| 21:56.44 | abrotman | or that |
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| 21:56.51 | abrotman | jeward: do i get beer? |
| 21:56.53 | tomaw | What was he doing? :) |
| 21:56.56 | itchi | Was afterdeath running supybot? |
| 21:56.58 | jeward | abrotman: Sure! |
| 21:57.01 | abrotman | jeward: use aptitude |
| 21:57.07 | jeward | abrotman: I am... |
| 21:57.08 | tomaw | haha, silly AD |
| 21:57.10 | jelly-home | tomaw: -AfterDeath- I'm sorry, but I'm away (Screen detached - probably sleeping, at school, or both; LEAVE ME A MESSAGE and I'll probably get back to you.) |
| 21:57.11 | abrotman | tomaw: using /notice to reply to !ops |
| 21:57.21 | jeward | abrotman: aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade |
| 21:57.22 | tomaw | He's using that reply to hilights irssi script |
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| 21:57.31 | abrotman | jeward: paste it all somewhere |
| 21:57.42 | abrotman | how does that reply to highlights? |
| 21:57.47 | itchi | jelly-home: Well, that's an original message :-p |
| 21:57.49 | jeward | abrotman: The one suggested here went to #debian.de. |
| 21:57.52 | abrotman | oh .. he highlights on ops .. that's dumb |
| 21:57.59 | abrotman | jeward: huh ? |
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| 21:58.19 | jeward | abrotman: I went to the link I was led to by /topic. It pasted to #debian.de |
| 21:58.29 | jelly-home | itchi: however, it's an unoriginal word to respond on |
| 21:58.40 | jeward | abrotman: What paster do you like? |
| 21:58.53 | itchi | jelly-home: Bah, i missed some stuff i guess, just attachet the screen here ;-) |
| 21:58.53 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:58.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:58.56 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 21:59.01 | jeward | The first one. |
| 21:59.05 | abrotman | or second? |
| 21:59.10 | abrotman | third doesn't seem like a good plan |
| 21:59.23 | jeward | I'm trying the second one. |
| 21:59.34 | zeitsofas | good night @ all | gute nacht zusammen |
| 22:00.09 | jeward | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/5OdCGC57.html |
| 22:00.26 | orveldv | folks, is there some utility to analize the aptitude and dpkg logs that can show the history of installs/upgrades for a specific package? (like genlop on gentoo) |
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| 22:00.50 | abrotman | jeward: aptitude dist-upgrade .. says what ? |
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| 22:01.18 | jeward | abrotman: It's not in the paste? |
| 22:01.18 | itchi | orveldv: egrep -r <pkg> . ?? |
| 22:01.23 | Farhadix | hi guys, |
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| 22:01.46 | abrotman | jeward: read it |
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| 22:02.02 | orveldv | itchi: uhm yeah, I guess I'll write a script |
| 22:02.08 | jeward | abrotman: It says held broken packages. |
| 22:02.21 | jeward | abrotman: But I don't know how to fix that. |
| 22:02.25 | itchi | orveldv: Well, use somethings like this egrep -r python /var/log/dpkg.log and check it out. Jou don't need much more i guess |
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| 22:02.40 | AfterDeath | woah, wtf? |
| 22:02.47 | Farhadix | as yet some sites uses ftp for download , why? ftps download speed is higher of http? |
| 22:03.16 | AfterDeath | oh. |
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| 22:03.41 | abrotman | jeward: i meant just aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:03.41 | orveldv | itchi: works fine, thanks |
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| 22:03.46 | abrotman | AfterDeath: turn it off whatever that was .. thank you |
| 22:03.56 | AfterDeath | ya, got it fixeds. |
| 22:04.02 | itchi | orveldv: grep should be fine to, if you use simple regex like the sample here above |
| 22:04.14 | jeward | abrotman: Oh, one sec. |
| 22:04.24 | AfterDeath | *fixed. Apparently away_hilight_notice.pl will notice someone that triggers any hilight, not just a nick based one. |
| 22:04.32 | orveldv | itchi: I guess I shoud take care not have dpkg.log rotated |
| 22:04.42 | abrotman | AfterDeath: yes, that's bad :) |
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| 22:05.02 | jeward | abrotman: Same thing. |
| 22:05.11 | valdyn | Farhadix: the download speed is quite irrelevant in choice of protocol |
| 22:05.13 | abrotman | jeward: any better output ? |
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| 22:05.15 | itchi | orveldv: Would you realy look at all logs? Maybe then a little script can do the trick |
| 22:05.27 | jeward | abrotman: Exactly the same output. |
| 22:05.33 | valdyn | Farhadix: as the difference between the available protocols is negligible |
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| 22:06.16 | abrotman | jeward: did you place a package on hold ? |
| 22:06.42 | abrotman | jeward: dpkg -l | egrep -i "^h^ |
| 22:06.45 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 22:06.47 | abrotman | jeward: dpkg -l | egrep -i "^h" |
| 22:06.53 | jeward | abrotman: I didn't, but a predecessor may have. |
| 22:07.00 | abrotman | jeward: do you own a big gun? |
| 22:07.15 | orveldv | itchi: it's handy sometimes, for instance you wrote an app that suddenly stops working, you check to see when and if you upgraded any dependency to cause the problem ... I found that useful on gentoo, but then I left :) |
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| 22:07.35 | jeward | abrotman: That produced no output and I have a 45. :) |
| 22:08.00 | Farhadix | valdyn, then can we say only diff is that one is file server and another is web server? |
| 22:08.12 | abrotman | jeward: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep bpo .. anything ? |
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| 22:09.03 | jeward | abrotman: ii libpopt0 1.7-5 lib for parsing cmdline parameters |
| 22:09.08 | abrotman | no .. doesn't count |
| 22:10.01 | jeward | abrotman: A coworker figured it out. |
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| 22:10.10 | abrotman | jeward: it was? |
| 22:10.12 | jeward | abrotman: Thanks for trying though! |
| 22:10.22 | abrotman | jeward: figured it out how? |
| 22:10.32 | jeward | abrotman: He says: It was in a state of confusion. |
| 22:10.36 | Farhadix | thanks |
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| 22:10.43 | abrotman | jeward: wow .. thanks .. still not helpful :) |
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| 22:11.22 | jeward | He did: aptitude->actions->forget new packages |
| 22:11.41 | jeward | He also cleaned obsolete files and package cache. |
| 22:11.41 | itchi | orveldv: Is genlop a python script? I'm to lazy to power on the virtual gentoo box :-p |
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| 22:12.29 | orveldv | itchi: now I don't know that, they have a lot of scripts and I don't have a gentoo box around anymore |
| 22:12.34 | abrotman | jeward: uh .. so run aptitude update and try again ? |
| 22:12.53 | abrotman | jeward: that really doesn't make much sense .. but whatever |
| 22:13.19 | jeward | abrotman: The box he did that on is working. I have a dozen more in the same state. I'll try one of them in a minute. |
| 22:13.26 | itchi | orveldv: Well i will check, it's already booting |
| 22:13.39 | itchi | orveldv: Hint, use virtualisation software ;-) |
| 22:13.48 | abrotman | jeward: that's awful .. make sure your sarge systems are up to date before attempting the dist-upgrade |
| 22:14.01 | jelly-home | jeward: Land of confusion? Do not let the boxen listen to Phil Collins |
| 22:14.23 | orveldv | itchi: IIRC, "genlop <package>", should do, if I'm not confusing scripts |
| 22:14.33 | jeward | abrotman: They were. |
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| 22:16.36 | tymonn | How can i know if my graphic card is supported by the XORG ? |
| 22:16.59 | itchi | orveldv: Seems right |
| 22:17.45 | itchi | orveldv: Well, it's writen in Perl, shit |
| 22:18.21 | orveldv | heh |
| 22:18.46 | itchi | orveldv: It would be take much more time :-p I set it on my FUN_TODO ;-) |
| 22:19.13 | tymonn | rahul: How can i know if my graphic card is supported by the XORG ? |
| 22:19.14 | orveldv | itchi: yep; here too |
| 22:21.30 | Gnu_Raiz | what brand of card is it. |
| 22:21.53 | rahul | tymonn: you want 3d, right? |
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| 22:22.08 | rahul | x.org's normal driver will not get you 3d on nvidia cards |
| 22:22.20 | rahul | es ist verboten |
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| 22:30.04 | miromiro_ | what's a simple way to get the "filename" without "extension" (\..*$) in a bash script from $i ? |
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| 22:30.41 | arooni | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:30.45 | arooni | what are these modules named in debian |
| 22:31.07 | _stijn_ | miromiro_: what if I have a file with the name Space.class.php |
| 22:31.07 | _stijn_ | ? |
| 22:31.16 | _stijn_ | class.php will be the extension |
| 22:31.28 | miromiro_ | no only the most right should be the "extension" ... |
| 22:31.39 | _stijn_ | yes |
| 22:31.48 | miromiro_ | so kinda left .* should be greedy... |
| 22:31.49 | _stijn_ | so split on . |
| 22:32.03 | _stijn_ | and take the last element of the array |
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| 22:32.31 | miromiro_ | i'm not that familiar with bash (array? split?) .-) |
| 22:32.54 | pgpkeys | www.tldp.org has a bunch of bash scripting howtos |
| 22:32.59 | pgpkeys | including some advanced ones |
| 22:33.03 | miromiro_ | i expected something like sed -e ... |
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| 22:34.20 | _stijn_ | i = {$i#*;} |
| 22:34.22 | Vorbote | miromiro_: hint -> basename |
| 22:34.25 | _stijn_ | try this |
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| 22:35.05 | cahoot | echo ${file%.*}? |
| 22:35.07 | _stijn_ | http://antonolsen.com/2006/04/10/bash-split-a-string-without-cut-or-awk/ |
| 22:37.05 | miromiro_ | Vorbote: basename only strips directories -- nothing "extension" related |
| 22:37.13 | enouf | arooni: here's a thought; $ apt-cache search mod_auth |
| 22:37.29 | Vorbote | miromiro_: read the fine info file. |
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| 22:38.38 | zyx386 | what is recomended ftp client on Debian? |
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| 22:39.31 | lontra | how would i go about connecting my debian laptop to my girlfriend's mac over our network? |
| 22:39.52 | pmv_ | lontra, you say you have a network. is this not connectivity already? |
| 22:39.58 | pmv_ | describe what you want |
| 22:40.05 | Vorbote | zyx386: whatever fits your perversions. I like lftp myself. |
| 22:40.05 | ben1597 | I'm compiling a program that uses guile 1.8, and I'm having issues with a missing library. |
| 22:40.14 | lontra | pmv_: it's a wireless network |
| 22:40.22 | pmv_ | what do you want |
| 22:40.29 | enouf | http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ#head-ccf9a79c6469bbd2a8ebc93b6e82aa682991cc58 |
| 22:40.40 | lontra | pmv_: i want to be access her music files |
| 22:40.46 | ben1597 | I'm running lenny and the undefined references appear to all exist within GNU MP |
| 22:40.47 | lontra | be able |
| 22:41.09 | pmv_ | lontra, now we are getting somewhere. you can use samba, nfs, sshfs, scp, ftp |
| 22:41.10 | pmv_ | a lot |
| 22:41.29 | lontra | pmv_: can i do it via nautilus? |
| 22:41.37 | miromiro_ | Vorbote: info file? ... i've read that - nothing related this IMHO |
| 22:41.48 | enouf | actually 74 seems applicable |
| 22:41.57 | pmv_ | lontra, you would need to use either NFS or samba for that. or you can mount her data on your deb system. |
| 22:42.00 | lontra | pmv_: and what do i need to set up on her end? |
| 22:42.08 | zyx386 | Vorbote, filezilla? |
| 22:42.11 | enouf | For example, to remove the filename extension part: for file in *.doc do base=`echo "$file" | sed 's/\.[^.]*$//'` # remove everything starting with last '.' mv "$file" "$base".txt done |
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| 22:42.33 | ben1597 | the readmen in the guile source lists GNU MP 4.1 as a requirement |
| 22:42.33 | pmv_ | lontra, I would recommend samba shares. simple enough to set up on a mac. |
| 22:42.41 | pmv_ | lontra, but then this is not #samba |
| 22:42.43 | Vorbote | miromiro_: sure there is. You still don't have the zen.} |
| 22:42.52 | ben1597 | I only see gmp3 and gmp2 in the repositories (i've checked unstable as well) |
| 22:42.52 | lontra | pmv_: ok i can ask there |
| 22:43.07 | lontra | pmv_: now i have something i can google though ... thanks for the samba tip |
| 22:43.16 | pmv_ | once you set up samba on her end, it can be as easy as going to smbfs://her.ip.add.ress/share |
| 22:43.29 | Vorbote | zyx386: filezilla is fine in a MacOS7 Fetch kind of way. The coolest FTP client of 1992 :-) |
| 22:43.35 | pmv_ | lontra, another easy bet, sshfs |
| 22:43.43 | lontra | pmv_: nice |
| 22:43.46 | pmv_ | you only have to set up on your end, since she probably has sshd running already |
| 22:43.58 | zyx386 | Vorbote, thanks i try it |
| 22:44.06 | itchi | _stijn_: From Fosdem? |
| 22:44.13 | lontra | pmv_: so which should i try sshfs or samba? |
| 22:44.30 | pmv_ | is there a linux equivalent to winscp? |
| 22:44.42 | pmv_ | something like that would be simplest actually, lontra |
| 22:45.02 | lontra | pmv_: gftp? |
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| 22:45.10 | itchi | pmv_: secpanel |
| 22:45.25 | itchi | pmv_: But learn about scp in cli |
| 22:45.41 | pmv_ | itchi, I know scp, thank you |
| 22:45.48 | pmv_ | I am looking for a gui for lontra |
| 22:45.59 | miromiro_ | enouf: perfect solution, thank you |
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| 22:46.22 | pmv_ | actually lontra, apparently nautilus can do file transfers over ssh |
| 22:46.30 | pmv_ | Places->Connect to Server |
| 22:46.30 | pmv_ | choose SSH and appropriate settings |
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| 22:47.09 | pmv_ | gftp too |
| 22:47.15 | hudu | help? ... I'm getting no picture, no monitor, no visual ... I loaded Debian 4.0 r2 onto my IBM ThinkPad. Everything looked great during the setup but after it finished and I tried to boot, the monitor is blank. The monitor worked during the install. AND Damn Small Linux works fine and I can see everything great. |
| 22:47.19 | hudu | any suggestions? |
| 22:47.37 | lontra | pmv_: so what should i need to ssh into her machine for info? |
| 22:47.38 | pmv_ | also on konqueror, you can use fish://address |
| 22:47.40 | nevyn | framebuffer console is messing with you. |
| 22:47.51 | pmv_ | lontra, yup |
| 22:48.19 | pmv_ | gftp will probably give you a prompt for address, username, password |
| 22:48.31 | pmv_ | unfortunately I do not have it right now |
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| 22:51.13 | deconvolution | hello, I got one question about dpkg. Basically I want to clone my local Debian installation to a remote Debian box, which only has a very basic base. However, my local internet connection is quite slow. So can I just copy just the dpkg database to the remote machine, and ask apt to reinstall all those "installed" package ? |
| 22:51.37 | Lewoco | When I first installed debian it was on a scsi disk. I've since copied that image to an ide disk, but debian still insists on installing all new kernels with grub/menu.lst's using root=sda1 instead of root=hda1. How do I fix this? |
| 22:51.41 | pmv_ | deconvolution, you can copy your apt cache debs over to the other box |
| 22:51.55 | pmv_ | then do dpkg -i on the debs there |
| 22:52.13 | pmv_ | they are in /var/cache/apt I think |
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| 22:52.39 | pmv_ | course, if you already flushed your cache, you are outta luck. you will hafta fetch them again. |
| 22:52.47 | pmv_ | but yeah, debs can copied over |
| 22:53.32 | _stijn_ | itchi: yes from fosdem |
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| 22:55.00 | deconvolution | pmv_, thats what I try to avoid. Firstly I guess my apt cache do not contain all the installed packages (I frequently use apt-get clean to save space). Also the net connection speed on my local machine is quite slow that it would take ages to copy those debs. However, the remove Debian box has a much faster connection |
| 22:55.49 | Lewoco | deconvolution: Why don't you just copy the disk image? |
| 22:55.57 | deconvolution | pmv_, so I just want to give the remote box a "list" which software it should install over the internet directly |
| 22:56.21 | Lewoco | deconvolution: Or create a new file system and cp -a everything across. |
| 22:56.28 | deconvolution | Lewoco, it is my firends machine |
| 22:56.36 | deconvolution | who is in another city |
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| 22:57.30 | pmv_ | deconvolution, ah, so you want to start from scratch |
| 22:57.35 | jelly-home | !tell deconvolution about debian clone |
| 22:57.45 | pmv_ | you can do this manually, use netinstall |
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| 22:57.59 | pmv_ | or you can use debian clone |
| 22:58.03 | pmv_ | sleepy |
| 22:58.11 | deconvolution | right, thanks ! |
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| 22:58.23 | deconvolution | shocked |
| 22:58.40 | deconvolution | ok, that's excactly I want |
| 22:58.45 | deconvolution | many thanks you guys |
| 22:58.46 | pmv_ | lol |
| 22:58.49 | pmv_ | :) |
| 22:58.57 | pmv_ | good for you |
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| 22:59.38 | jelly-home | also /msg dpkg aptitude clone (which is probably another way to do the same thing, but with modern tools) |
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| 22:59.46 | pmv_ | without having the original debs, is it possible to create new debs from your local package list? |
| 22:59.56 | pmv_ | like freebsd pkgs |
| 23:00.29 | jelly-home | pmv_: from the files already installed on the system? |
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| 23:00.59 | jelly-home | dpkg-repack, but it doesn't always work (especially if you'd changed the config files) |
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| 23:01.11 | tymonn | ICEWEASEL puts my CPU percentage at 100% =| |
| 23:01.13 | pmv_ | alright, thanks |
| 23:01.50 | tymonn | does this happen to anyone? |
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| 23:02.14 | azeem | tymonn: it's likely a plugin, or a bad website |
| 23:02.18 | azeem | not iceweasel per se |
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| 23:04.46 | mike3522 | hi guys, im not sure if this is just an iscolated incident or if many people are experiencing my problem. I just upgraded my system (sid) and now i can't boot up. Its complaining that it can't find mount, or mknod and can see errors that printf cannot be found |
| 23:05.49 | jelly-home | mike3522: can you boot an older kernel? |
| 23:05.53 | mike3522 | yes, i can |
| 23:05.55 | tymonn | thanks azeem, i only installed plugins that i used in other distros, FOXMARKS, DOWNLOAD STATUS BAR and AD BLOCK PLUS |
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| 23:06.12 | jelly-home | mike3522: so it works with the older kernel? |
| 23:06.17 | mike3522 | yes |
| 23:06.31 | mike3522 | and when i upgraded, it didn't even touch my kernel |
| 23:06.37 | mike3522 | well, not that i could remember |
| 23:06.50 | jelly-home | mike3522: dpkg.log will tell. sounds like the newer kernel initrd is messed up |
| 23:06.55 | stew | mike3522: multiple people have reported the same thing today |
| 23:07.11 | mike3522 | oh okay, so im not alone :) |
| 23:07.28 | mike3522 | is there a bug report assigned to a particular package? |
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| 23:08.18 | infinity0 | how do i kill an uninterruptible process? |
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| 23:09.15 | elwood | infernix, i use kill -9 |
| 23:09.59 | infinity0 | oh, kk i'll try that |
| 23:10.25 | infinity0 | elwood: didn't work |
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| 23:10.29 | azeem | tymonn: no flash e.g.? |
| 23:11.02 | infinity0 | it's totem trying to access a memory card, it just hung, so i tried taking the mem card out |
| 23:11.02 | tymonn | azeem: gmail, blogspot and google |
| 23:11.02 | elwood | infinity0, ok kill -9 "pid of process" |
| 23:11.03 | azeem | tymonn: eh? |
| 23:11.10 | azeem | tymonn: those are websites, not plugins |
| 23:11.16 | tymonn | ohh |
| 23:11.22 | tymonn | yeah, no flash |
| 23:11.27 | mike3522 | stew: what would the bug report be assigned to? |
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| 23:12.01 | stew | mike3522: i would start by checking initramfs-tools and or yaird depending on which you are using |
| 23:12.13 | stew | mike3522: and then kernel, and i guess mount |
| 23:12.21 | mike3522 | okay, thanks |
| 23:12.26 | stew | mike3522: are older kernel's bootable? |
| 23:12.31 | mike3522 | yes |
| 23:12.45 | infinity0 | elwood: that's what i'm doing |
| 23:12.53 | mike3522 | they are, but when i did the upgrade, i didn't see any new kernels |
| 23:12.55 | stew | mike3522: then i'd check the kernel and the initrd creator |
| 23:13.05 | elwood | infinity0, and with killall ? it's my last idea |
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| 23:13.51 | stew | infinity0: if its in uninterruptable sleep it won't die until the operation they are blocked on completes |
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| 23:14.07 | stew | infinity0: which is usually io, perhaps io with a device which is no longer available |
| 23:14.41 | infinity0 | stew: yeah exactly, it's no longer available, i pullde it out of the device :/ |
| 23:14.52 | infinity0 | any way to recover? |
| 23:14.59 | lunaphyte | i'm a little confused regarding the 2.6.22 debian kernel. looking at the config file in /boot, it appears that dynamic ticks are enabled (CONFIG_NO_HZ=y), yet at the same time it appears to be set to 250 (CONFIG_HZ_250=y and CONFIG_HZ=250) - what am i missing? |
| 23:15.12 | stew | infinity0: why do you need to recover? |
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| 23:15.23 | enouf | lunaphyte: NO_HZ is dyntick |
| 23:15.46 | lunaphyte | enouf: isn't that what i said? |
| 23:15.50 | enouf | lunaphyte: which has nothing to do with interrupt timer frequency |
| 23:16.12 | infinity0 | stew: because i can't play any other stuff using totem atm |
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| 23:16.37 | infinity0 | i need to kill the process, basically |
| 23:16.38 | enouf | lunaphyte: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/kernel/Kconfig.hz |
| 23:17.10 | FelipeSouza | infinity0: maybe alt+sysrq key+k (Kill all processes on the current virtual console) works |
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| 23:17.41 | infinity0 | virtual console? |
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| 23:18.08 | bahram | hi all |
| 23:18.10 | FelipeSouza | infinity0: yes, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 23:18.21 | infinity0 | what's the virtual console |
| 23:18.33 | enouf | lunaphyte: Dyntick is something else, a sleep/wait state before the CPU timer frequency kicks in - a bit about Dyntick http://lwn.net/Articles/223185/ |
| 23:18.54 | enouf | (i may have explained that wrong, so read) |
| 23:19.39 | lunaphyte | enouf: thanks, reading. |
| 23:19.58 | FelipeSouza | infinity0: the current virtual console, at the moment, is X, this key will kill all the programs running in the X |
| 23:20.07 | FelipeSouza | and including the X |
| 23:20.10 | bahram | in my computer, two pppoe connection, i need to change interface for use other ppp connection, http://paste.gnudownload.org/show/15 |
| 23:20.15 | infinity0 | oh, ok |
| 23:20.22 | enouf | mike3522: not sure, but from your symptoms, perhaps a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version is in order (NOTE: do it on a copy of your your good known working kernel, .. i don't want you to end up not being able to boot at all) |
| 23:20.23 | infinity0 | except totem isn't running as a dependency of X |
| 23:20.28 | infinity0 | it's running as a dependency of init |
| 23:20.31 | infinity0 | for some reason :| |
| 23:20.49 | mike3522 | enouf, i was just about to do that :) |
| 23:20.52 | w3rd_ | hey guys... im installing debian on a netra t100 i have a install point that is asking for chipset support... |
| 23:21.09 | mike3522 | enouf, i'll let you know how it goes |
| 23:21.24 | w3rd_ | how do i find this info... |
| 23:21.39 | w3rd_ | ie what chipset support i should select? |
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| 23:22.01 | bahram | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.09 | w3rd_ | k |
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| 23:23.50 | felipe__ | hi |
| 23:24.17 | felipe__ | I dont know how to change the savetime |
| 23:24.20 | felipe__ | in the time system |
| 23:24.48 | felipe__ | I dont want to have savetime in the timezone |
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| 23:24.55 | enouf | !set the time |
| 23:24.55 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 23:24.56 | felipe__ | does anybody know how to desactive that? |
| 23:25.17 | FelipeSouza | infinity0: a signal (like SIGKILL) should interrupt any syscall blocking the process, no idea why isn't working |
| 23:25.22 | enouf | hrm, felipe__ "/msg dpkg ntp" .. not sure i follow you |
| 23:25.47 | jim | I think he doesn't want daylite savings time\ |
| 23:26.07 | felipe__ | I dont want the savetime |
| 23:26.12 | felipe__ | how can I desactive it |
| 23:26.13 | enouf | Daylight Savings Time == DST ? |
| 23:26.22 | jim | what's a savetime? |
| 23:26.23 | enouf | no idea offhand |
| 23:26.34 | felipe__ | my timezone is Chile |
| 23:26.50 | infinity0 | FelipeSouza: meh, i'll just reboot, ty anyway |
| 23:26.54 | felipe__ | so I should have 19:26:41 CLT 2008 |
| 23:27.08 | felipe__ | in the other server I have CLST 2008 |
| 23:27.17 | felipe__ | ST I have seen that is Savetime |
| 23:27.34 | felipe__ | so I want to desactivate the savetime |
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| 23:27.42 | jim | on the server? |
| 23:27.45 | mike3522 | enouf, its aliveeee! |
| 23:27.46 | felipe__ | yep |
| 23:27.47 | enouf | ST == Standard Time ? ... includes the DST i mentioned above? |
| 23:28.02 | mike3522 | enouf, all it needed was a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image |
| 23:28.08 | enouf | mike3522: w00h00, ok now, report that to the proper authorites ;-) |
| 23:28.35 | bahram | in my computer, two pppoe connection, i need to change interface for use other ppp connection, http://paste.gnudownload.org/show/15 |
| 23:28.56 | jim | felipe__, do you run ntp on the server or other boxes? |
| 23:28.58 | mike3522 | enouf, thanks |
| 23:29.06 | felipe__ | in the server yes |
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| 23:29.16 | enouf | mike3522: and thanks to you for reporting back |
| 23:29.18 | felipe__ | the other ones are clients |
| 23:29.21 | bahram | ppp0 for connect to ISP and ppp1 for connect to vpn |
| 23:29.29 | Lewoco | How can I extract the files in a .deb? |
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| 23:29.40 | enouf | dpkg -x, or ar -x |
| 23:29.49 | jim | a .deb is a .ar with two tarballs and a text file |
| 23:29.53 | enouf | depends what your goal is |
| 23:30.04 | Riotblade | hey, what's a good GUI BT client for linux? |
| 23:30.21 | bahram | Please help! |
| 23:30.31 | Maulkin | !tell Riotblade about search |
| 23:30.45 | Riotblade | I've been searching, getting mixed results |
| 23:30.56 | Riotblade | I'm currently using qbittorrent and just wanted some opinions |
| 23:31.02 | jim | you'll find out when you look at all GUI BT clients and pick what -you- think is the good ones |
| 23:31.15 | Maulkin | suggests Riotblade looks at debtags :) |
| 23:32.08 | opensrcguru | !search |
| 23:32.08 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 23:32.21 | Riotblade | already sent to me in a PM |
| 23:32.22 | opensrcguru | for what its worth, the command line client rocks. |
| 23:32.25 | Riotblade | like I said, I just wanted some opinions |
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| 23:32.39 | Riotblade | it's a lot more fun talking to people than a search engine |
| 23:33.10 | jim | poeples wobble but they don't fall down |
| 23:33.23 | pgpkeys | until they hit the tequila |
| 23:33.50 | opensrcguru | tequila indeed |
| 23:33.52 | Lewoco | enouf: Well I'm trying to have a look at the postinstall script. |
| 23:34.03 | Lewoco | enouf: And dpkg -x doesn't seem to extract it. |
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| 23:34.57 | felipe__ | does the utc has to be desactivated in /etc/rc.S |
| 23:35.49 | jim | well utc is a good thing; it's easier to sync to ntp if it's running utc |
| 23:36.01 | Lewoco | enouf: Ah, dpkg -e does the trick. |
| 23:36.29 | jim | Lewoco: and dpkg --help for other tricks dpkg does |
| 23:36.35 | felipe__ | how do I change the timezone to utc after change that file |
| 23:36.40 | stew | jim: easier becuase the ntp daemon doesn't have to do a simple addition? or something else? |
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| 23:36.48 | jim | right |
| 23:36.53 | Pip | How to install build a c compile system ? |
| 23:37.03 | stew | Pip: aptitude install build-essential |
| 23:37.06 | jim | !bi |
| 23:37.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bi is what happens when jzm meens to type 'vi'. Burundi |
| 23:37.10 | Pip | thanks |
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| 23:38.05 | jim | then you would install whatever else the thing you're building requires for compiling |
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| 23:38.46 | Pip | !bi |
| 23:38.46 | dpkg | bi is, like, what happens when jzm meens to type 'vi'. Burundi |
| 23:40.08 | enouf | Lewoco: from dpkg man page; dpkg -x | --extract filename directory (you likely didn't give it a dir/ to extract to), and note; if you wanted to install use -i |
| 23:40.18 | Pip | stew, Why not apt-get ? |
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| 23:42.22 | stew | Pip: either works, aptitude has better dependency resolution, and in etch , aptitude has tracking of automatically installed packages (which can later be automatically reomved when not needed) |
| 23:42.40 | stew | Pip: but apt-get will work here too |
| 23:42.54 | Pip | stew, I see,thanks, this is my first time using Debian |
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| 23:45.36 | jim | Pip: and first time using a unix-alike? |
| 23:45.46 | Lewoco | How does aptitude decide which modifications it should make to /boot/grub/menu.lst when I reconfigure a linux-image? |
| 23:46.02 | Pip | jim, Not really : ) |
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| 23:46.21 | jim | Lewoco: update-grub looks in /boot to see what kernels you have |
| 23:46.23 | SlimeyPete | Lewoco: there's a configuration script that's provided by the grub team iirc |
| 23:46.26 | mike3522 | i didn't think aptitude makes those decisions, its update-grub |
| 23:46.32 | SlimeyPete | though I don't remember what it's called |
| 23:46.38 | SlimeyPete | yeah that's it |
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| 23:47.36 | Lewoco | jim: And how does aptitude know it has to run update-grub when it configures a kernel? |
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| 23:47.56 | Pip | jim, Debian looks so clean and lovely |
| 23:47.57 | jim | Lewoco: the packaging surrounding the kernel does it |
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| 23:48.13 | mike3522 | Lewoco, the package calls update-grub |
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| 23:48.14 | Pip | And runs fast |
| 23:48.15 | jim | don't look under the hood! |
| 23:48.31 | mike3522 | on configure |
| 23:49.12 | jelly-home | the hood in this case being /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-whatever.postinst |
| 23:49.35 | Pip | jim, They said Debian boots slowly ,but I don't think so after I had get it installed |
| 23:49.52 | Pip | *got |
| 23:50.06 | mike3522 | who is "they"? |
| 23:50.20 | jim | Lewoco, read your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:50.27 | Pip | gentoo guys ,arch guys and so on .... :D |
| 23:50.45 | stew | Lewoco: the kernel package calls whatever is in the postinst/preinst lines in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
| 23:51.01 | jim | if you pick the right kernel arch things work fast |
| 23:51.34 | Pip | mike3522, But it looks dull, no hightlights stuff as gentoo does |
| 23:52.09 | mike3522 | you restart too often. |
| 23:52.21 | jim | you can lose all your money and house in las vegas... but at least they have lights |
| 23:52.34 | Pip | lol |
| 23:52.42 | Pip | forget it : ) |
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| 23:58.48 | Gigantic | >.> Starting to hate 'Opendns' |
| 23:59.12 | Gigantic | please reccomend me a couple of quick and reliable dns |
| 23:59.25 | Gigantic | in N America |
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