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| 00:01.49 | casper__ | hi. is it possible to rename a user? i mean login name? what is the usual method? |
| 00:02.09 | dondelelcaro | casper__: change it in /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, and /etc/groups |
| 00:02.11 | casper__ | of course copy the homedir > the new username, |
| 00:02.19 | casper__ | okay |
| 00:02.25 | dondelelcaro | casper__: that isn't actually required, but you can do it. |
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| 00:02.38 | casper__ | so i don't have to use the command usermod etcetera? |
| 00:02.52 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is the debate over? |
| 00:02.53 | Gromgull | can someone clarify the relationship between /etc/modutils/* /etc/modules /etc/modules.conf and /etc/modprobe.d ? |
| 00:03.00 | casper__ | thanks dondelelcaro :D i'll try that |
| 00:03.09 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes |
| 00:03.19 | Gromgull | I have all of the above, update-modules is deprecated... so I guess /etc/modutils/* is useless? |
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| 00:05.38 | tosh| | any way I can backup a currently installed package to a deb and then try and upgrade a package using apt-get. I just need a fallback scenario if my dovecot upgrade decides to crap out |
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| 00:06.49 | jim | why are you considering upgrading? |
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| 00:08.04 | stew | tosh|: make a copy of /etc/dovecot/ to be on the safe side. if the upgrade doesn't work, you can get the old package easily enough |
| 00:08.43 | stew | Gromgull: yes, you should just be using /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 00:09.15 | tosh| | jim security advisory that got released |
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| 00:09.36 | _RainCore_ | веÑÐµÑ Ð´Ð¾Ð±ÑÑй |
| 00:09.38 | jim | ahh... is debian aware of that advisory? |
| 00:09.46 | stew | jim: debian released that advisory |
| 00:09.55 | Gigantic | please, need a DNS in America >.< |
| 00:10.06 | jim | apt-get install bind |
| 00:10.12 | XLV | Gigantic, whats wrong with dns servers of your isp? |
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| 00:10.49 | Gigantic | intrusive, and sloooow |
| 00:10.57 | jim | then install your own |
| 00:11.05 | Gigantic | STOP IT! |
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| 00:11.16 | Gigantic | Everyone say that! |
| 00:11.24 | jim | why do you think that is? |
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| 00:11.40 | zinx | use 4.2.2.x :/ |
| 00:11.41 | XLV | Gigantic, use command host -t ns domain-of-some-other-isp to get some other isp's dns servers.. |
| 00:11.52 | _RainCore_ | nobody speak russian? |
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| 00:12.04 | stew | _RainCore_: try #debian-russian |
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| 00:12.23 | Gigantic | because some searchs redirect me to pages hosted by my ISP |
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| 00:12.43 | Gigantic | like some google searchs redirect me to it's own search site... |
| 00:12.49 | tosh| | Package php4-curl is not available, but is referred to by another package. -> any way to find out which package? |
| 00:12.56 | jim | I mean, why do people tell you to install your own dns server? |
| 00:13.06 | stew | tosh|: try "apt-cache rdepends php4-curl" |
| 00:13.15 | Gigantic | for joking I guess |
| 00:13.22 | jim | I'm not joking. |
| 00:13.32 | tosh| | stew thanks! |
| 00:13.45 | _RainCore_ | stew: thx |
| 00:13.48 | Gigantic | I just want a ORSN in America |
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| 00:14.30 | jim | are you running debian? |
| 00:14.39 | Gigantic | yups |
| 00:14.47 | jim | so it's easy enough to try. |
| 00:14.56 | Gigantic | no >.> |
| 00:15.06 | Gigantic | I have too many servers already! |
| 00:15.29 | tosh| | mmm, so apparantly, php4-curl doesn't exist anymore, it's referred to by some other packages but that's it :( |
| 00:16.00 | jim | what's your uptime on the machine in question? |
| 00:16.18 | Gigantic | too low :( |
| 00:16.28 | Gigantic | 256kbs |
| 00:16.29 | stew | tosh|: in testing/unstable? or what? |
| 00:16.37 | stew | tosh|: all of php4 has been removed from testing/unstable |
| 00:16.45 | jim | then a local dns will help that |
| 00:17.02 | jim | how many machines are on your local net? |
| 00:17.15 | Gigantic | 17 |
| 00:17.29 | jim | they would benefit |
| 00:17.41 | Gigantic | ... |
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| 00:18.04 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> 4.0r3 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
| 00:18.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:18.36 | Gigantic | drinks blueberry vodka |
| 00:18.39 | jim | the truth is, you can install the dns server on just the one machine, and then set its resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:19.14 | Gigantic | yeah I know how to setup a dns, but I still need a public one |
| 00:19.16 | jim | see if that gets you the effect you want... (btw, the problem could also be your search path, also in /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 00:19.47 | a2a | hi,during the boot process the system always asks me to enter root password or press ctrl+d to exit? what is that for? |
| 00:19.49 | jim | the local dns will find everything it needs, probably avoiding your isp's dns |
| 00:20.16 | jim | (again, have you checked your search path?) |
| 00:20.23 | stew | a2a: there should be some error above that which tells why, probably because a filesystem needs to be manually checked |
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| 00:20.52 | tosh| | sorry, another question: can I change the dependencies of a package? php4-curl depends on php4-common (= 6:4.4.4-8+etch4); however: Version of php4-common on system is 6:4.4.4-9 -> how can I resolve this? |
| 00:21.20 | tosh| | if i make it ignore it, it will pop up every time I try to use apt to upgrade stuff |
| 00:21.22 | jim | get the correct php? |
| 00:21.41 | tosh| | jim the one its suggesting is older |
| 00:22.03 | abrotman | !depends php4-curl etch |
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| 00:22.09 | dpkg | php4-curl: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libcurl3 (>= 7.15.5-1), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), phpapi-20050606+lfs, php4-common (= 6:4.4.4-8+etch4) |
| 00:22.39 | stew | tosh|: no, the one its suggesting is newer |
| 00:23.03 | tosh| | but if I try to upgrade php4-common it says its already the latest version :-| |
| 00:23.28 | Gigantic | oh got one... ORSN now have a mirror in California ^.^ |
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| 00:23.31 | Dewi | how should I count the total amount of traffic a network interface is doing, over, say, a month? |
| 00:23.34 | Gigantic | !yupi |
| 00:23.52 | abrotman | Dewi: mrtg? |
| 00:23.55 | jim | the one on the system is 6:4.4.4-9, the one the deps say is 6:4.4.4-8+etch4 |
| 00:24.04 | Dewi | abrotman: I need to look into that anyway |
| 00:24.05 | jim | that looks newer to me |
| 00:24.15 | jim | err older |
| 00:24.19 | Dewi | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:24.21 | tosh| | weird then that apt-get isn't proposing its installation |
| 00:24.23 | stew | tosh|: aptitude install php4-common=6:4.4.4-8+etch4 |
| 00:24.37 | abrotman | Dewi: it's a guess .. not a solution .. also look at rrd-tools |
| 00:24.40 | jim | which would be a downgrade |
| 00:24.49 | stew | tosh|: apt-get doesn't want to upgrade becuase 4.4.4-8+etch4 < 4.4.4-9 |
| 00:24.58 | jim | (but which brings up the question of what he's running) |
| 00:25.18 | Dewi | abrotman: well my current idea of monitoring is catting existing logs into perl -e |
| 00:25.20 | stew | tosh|: however 4.4.4-8+etch4 is several months newer than 4.4.4-9, it was release to fixed security problems |
| 00:25.40 | stew | tosh|: you must have, at some point, upgraded to a testing/unstable version of php4-common, i'm suggesting that you instead go back to the version in stable |
| 00:25.43 | Dewi | abrotman: which is starting to seem pretty awkward and imprecise, so every bit helps :) |
| 00:25.44 | abrotman | Dewi: ew? :) |
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| 00:25.55 | a2a | stew: no err at all! when i press ctrl+d it continues to boot |
| 00:26.27 | stew | a2a: i'd probably try fsking the partitions for good measure |
| 00:26.41 | tosh| | stew i'm running unstable, yes |
| 00:26.42 | Dewi | abrotman: yeah I'm pretty sure this kind of thing is a symptom of something badly wrong with me, but I'm not sure what to do about it. |
| 00:26.56 | Dewi | abrotman: this is probably why they invented education though |
| 00:27.04 | Gigantic | Suicide is always an option |
| 00:27.49 | jim | suicide instead of what? trying a local dns? |
| 00:28.02 | abrotman | tosh|: php4 isn't in unstable anymore |
| 00:28.12 | Gigantic | instead of discussing about it |
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| 00:28.21 | tosh| | abrotman aha |
| 00:28.42 | jim | you're welcome to follow any solution line you see fit |
| 00:28.42 | Dewi | Gigantic: is there a ##suicide on freenode? |
| 00:29.45 | a2a | and how can i disbale iptables at all? |
| 00:29.50 | Gigantic | nah, everybody dies too fast as to have enough people to chat with |
| 00:29.59 | Dewi | dpkg: die |
| 00:29.59 | dpkg | I'll murder you dewi! Skin you alive and toss you in the great salt lake! |
| 00:30.20 | Dewi | . o O ( sexy ) |
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| 00:30.57 | Dewi | a2a: why would you want to? |
| 00:31.16 | Dewi | a2a: it doesn't really do anything until you ask it |
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| 00:32.43 | a2a | Dewi: i want to disable or maybe discard iptables! i think it is making trouble in my internet connection |
| 00:33.12 | Dewi | a2a: why? |
| 00:34.54 | a2a | Dewi: why what? |
| 00:35.06 | Gigantic | Wish I live in Europe :\ |
| 00:35.29 | Dewi | a2a: why would an empty iptables cause problems? |
| 00:35.35 | amphi | Gigantic: why? |
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| 00:36.01 | Dewi | a2a: just clear all the rules out of it... |
| 00:36.27 | a2a | Dewi: i want to know how? plz |
| 00:36.34 | jim | move to europe then,,, something stopping you? |
| 00:36.37 | Knorrie | as root: iptables -F |
| 00:36.42 | abrotman | bad |
| 00:37.00 | jim | look at iptables -L first |
| 00:37.05 | Dewi | a2a: iptables --delete <chain ...> |
| 00:37.10 | jim | you'll probably find there's nothing there |
| 00:37.29 | Dewi | Knorrie: oh yeah |
| 00:37.35 | Dewi | Knorrie: that's quicker :P |
| 00:38.18 | Knorrie | yeah, but if there was something clever in there... now you've got no filtering at all |
| 00:38.19 | jim | if there is something there, you probably have a package installed that put some iptables rules and stuff in there |
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| 00:38.40 | a2a | thanx :-) |
| 00:38.59 | jim | why do you want to do this btw? |
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| 00:39.37 | Dewi | jim: "the network isn't working" |
| 00:39.45 | Dewi | ("properly") |
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| 00:40.30 | Dewi | shrugs. |
| 00:40.39 | abrotman | MOO |
| 00:40.46 | Gigantic | !moo |
| 00:40.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 00:41.40 | sgmadison | i'm trying to set up my debian box so that eth0 is LAN (and servers DNS/DHCP to the rest of the network) and eth1 connects to the internet (and receives it's address via DHCP) - I'm having a bit of trouble and google isn't being much help (i'm probably searching for the wrong thing) can anyone point me in the correct direction? |
| 00:41.44 | abrotman | Gigantic: what do you need help with? |
| 00:42.00 | a2a | i guess my speed is decreased after some changing in iptables that was made by 'pppoe-setup' |
| 00:42.06 | abrotman | !tell sgmadison about ipmasq |
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| 00:43.16 | Gigantic | :( I was just looking for a dns server |
| 00:43.20 | Gigantic | got bored :( |
| 00:44.57 | Dewi | Gigantic: bind9 ? |
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| 00:47.31 | Gigantic | was thinking of public server... |
| 00:48.54 | abrotman | Gigantic: be bored elsewhere ? |
| 00:49.02 | abrotman | Gigantic: and there are a few public dns servers |
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| 00:49.41 | amphi | Gigantic: opendns.org ? |
| 00:49.51 | Gigantic | no, opendns is intrusive |
| 00:50.00 | abrotman | Gigantic: ask #dns |
| 00:50.10 | Gigantic | wonders what's up with abrotman : |
| 00:50.23 | abrotman | wonders if Gigantic was dropped as a child |
| 00:50.38 | Gigantic | cries |
| 00:51.11 | cafuego | Gigantic: are the microsoft.com servers still public? |
| 00:51.34 | Gigantic | >.< |
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| 00:52.23 | Madd_Matt | Whats the best (any, really) way to power off bluetooth in my laptop? |
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| 00:52.48 | Gigantic | ... bluetooth button? |
| 00:52.51 | samuel | sup guys |
| 00:52.55 | abrotman | Gigantic: really .. |
| 00:53.16 | abrotman | Madd_Matt: http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/ |
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| 00:53.29 | abrotman | Gigantic: do NOT msg me |
| 00:53.38 | Madd_Matt | useful, thanks abrotman. |
| 00:53.39 | Gigantic | don't harrass me |
| 00:53.55 | abrotman | Gigantic: go be bored somewhere else |
| 00:54.03 | Gigantic | laptops have a bluetooth button, you press it and turn it off, anything more simple? |
| 00:54.23 | Madd_Matt | Mine doesn't. |
| 00:54.24 | Gigantic | ignores abrotman as he seems tipsy today |
| 00:54.31 | Madd_Matt | Well, I have a hardware switch but it also kills wifi. |
| 00:54.35 | Madd_Matt | and evdo. |
| 00:54.38 | samuel | can anyone tell me what was the name of the program to parse command line output? i want to parse the output of "ps ax|grep programname" and get the first word of it |
| 00:54.50 | abrotman | Madd_Matt: you could unload the module .. but that doesn't turn off the power |
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| 00:55.20 | Madd_Matt | samuel, you can use awk to both match (in place of grep) and only print the first field |
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| 00:55.42 | samuel | Madd_Matt: thats the one!!!!! thanks!!!!! couldnt remember the name |
| 00:56.39 | abrotman | cut might also work |
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| 00:57.21 | Madd_Matt | abrotman, yes, but since he's grepping anyways, may as well combine with awk. |
| 00:57.22 | nevyn | cut is cheaper than awk.. but you're going to be bounded on io rather than cpu almost certainly |
| 00:57.36 | abrotman | Madd_Matt: one is just as good as the other |
| 00:57.42 | pmv | lol |
| 00:58.35 | Madd_Matt | And probably this will be on a low load modern system anyways, so a few extra cpu cycles to call grep and then cut won't affect anything :P |
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| 01:02.27 | pyther | I have a very old laptop (Pentium, 40MB ram, 2GB HD), where can I find an older version of debian or something to put on it? all I have to do is run xserver and a picture view/slideshow deal |
| 01:02.38 | sgmadison | well - not as easy as that message lead me to believe, it's simply not as easy as 'apt-get install ipmasq' - i guess i've still got to configure the eth0 interface |
| 01:02.46 | abrotman | pyther: etch will run .. slowly |
| 01:03.22 | pyther | abrotman, I'm looking probably more along the kernel 2.4 series and something very light weight |
| 01:03.37 | abrotman | pyther: you can use sarge .. but security support ends next week |
| 01:03.52 | pyther | abrotman, no nic card at all :P |
| 01:04.05 | abrotman | pyther: well .. sounds like a boring computer :) |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | pyther: does it have a bootable CD drive? |
| 01:04.32 | pyther | abrotman, lol, it has a bootable cd drive :) I'm gonna use it as a picture frame |
| 01:04.36 | pyther | or atleast that's my goal |
| 01:04.58 | abrotman | pyther: you can get sarge(3.1) from the debian-cd directory on ftp.ch.debian.org |
| 01:05.11 | RogerWard | or via jigdo :) |
| 01:05.13 | RogerWard | ? |
| 01:05.17 | pmv | why does it have to be an old version? |
| 01:05.25 | pmv | just netinst and get whatever you need |
| 01:05.30 | pmv | that should be a pretty minimal system |
| 01:05.42 | pyther | pmv, no nic card, and I want something that would have a fairly fast boot up time |
| 01:05.47 | pyther | might try etch, see what happens |
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| 01:06.16 | pmv | ah |
| 01:06.36 | pyther | How can I make sure I install the minium packages required |
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| 01:08.51 | RogerWard | pyther: netinst will give you basic tools to start , then you select what packages you want for your system... like a slideshow viewer |
| 01:09.04 | pyther | I don't have a NIC card |
| 01:09.11 | RogerWard | memory card slot? |
| 01:09.12 | RogerWard | usb? |
| 01:09.16 | pyther | not even usb |
| 01:09.25 | RogerWard | you going to load a CD? |
| 01:09.26 | pyther | just a cd drive |
| 01:09.28 | RogerWard | ok |
| 01:09.40 | pyther | I download the business card cd |
| 01:09.47 | pyther | hopefully that just has a small base |
| 01:10.16 | pmv | it will definitely fit in 2gig |
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| 01:11.41 | abrotman | pyther: you probably want CD1 at least |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | pyther: the business card will be *useless* to you |
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| 01:12.36 | pyther | how come? |
| 01:12.53 | RogerWard | pyther: if you don't have a net connection, it won't install enough for you to make it useful |
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| 01:14.15 | RogerWard | pyther: do you have dos /win on that laptop now? |
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| 01:14.38 | pinto3 | does anyone know what package the awk book would be in? |
| 01:15.05 | pyther | i have win 95 |
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| 01:15.24 | pyther | and I think I have a big problem |
| 01:16.20 | pyther | I can't boot from a cd |
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| 01:16.40 | pipeline | boot from a pair of floppies |
| 01:16.42 | abrotman | pyther: the bizcard requires the internet to finish the install |
| 01:16.43 | Coweater | pinto3: gawk-doc is in non-free if that's what you're looking for |
| 01:16.47 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 01:16.47 | dpkg | somebody said sarge floppies was http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want etch/testing change "stable" to "etch". |
| 01:17.07 | pinto3 | http://snap.nlc.dcccd.edu/reference/awkref/ i was lookin for this one since it's gnu |
| 01:17.10 | pipeline | ironically the "net-install" is the smallest installer that doesn't require the network to install |
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| 01:17.18 | RogerWard | pyther: try zipslack then |
| 01:17.20 | Soskel | hi, where is the location of the sshd_config ? |
| 01:17.22 | pyther | abrotman, ahh |
| 01:17.27 | RogerWard | if win95 boots, you can install it on a fat partition |
| 01:17.28 | pyther | RogerWard, whats zipslack? |
| 01:17.30 | pinto3 | easier to have it on the hard drive, guess i'll just use wget if there isn't one |
| 01:17.32 | RogerWard | http://slackware.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware/slackware-11.0/zipslack/ |
| 01:17.34 | abrotman | Soskel: /etc/ssh/ |
| 01:17.40 | RogerWard | theres a url to check it out |
| 01:17.43 | Soskel | thanks! |
| 01:17.51 | pipeline | it's slackware for a zip disk. It's kinda silly. Who has zip disks that still work? |
| 01:17.51 | RogerWard | http://www.slackware.com/zipslack/ |
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| 01:17.58 | abrotman | RogerWard: hi .. #debian ? |
| 01:18.01 | RogerWard | no, its not just for a zip disk. |
| 01:18.21 | RogerWard | abrotman: he's asking how to use a distro without a bootable cdrom, net card, etc... |
| 01:18.27 | pyther | abrotman, he was helping me out :) |
| 01:18.27 | RogerWard | abrotman: you suggest something then. |
| 01:18.31 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 01:18.31 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want etch/testing change "stable" to "etch". |
| 01:18.34 | abrotman | i win |
| 01:18.43 | pyther | I don't have a floppy drive :( |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:18.50 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 01:18.51 | dondelelcaro | pyther: what do you have that you can boot off? |
| 01:19.02 | pyther | dondelelcaro, I guess only a hard drive :P |
| 01:19.04 | abrotman | pyther: does windows boot ? |
| 01:19.26 | pyther | abrotman, yep |
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| 01:19.31 | abrotman | goodbye-microsoft.com ? |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | maybe |
| 01:19.33 | RogerWard | pyther: this should work also http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/vista/ |
| 01:19.35 | RogerWard | yeah |
| 01:19.39 | RogerWard | same idea abrotman :) |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | vista isn't quite win95 .. but hey .. whynot |
| 01:19.53 | RogerWard | the software will work |
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| 01:20.03 | pyther | hmm that's worth a try, but do I need a net connection? |
| 01:20.14 | dondelelcaro | pyther: to visit the website, obviously. |
| 01:20.14 | RogerWard | Q1: What releases of Windows are known to work? |
| 01:20.14 | RogerWard | A1: All releases are expected to work from NT4/95 up through Vista, except Me. |
| 01:20.31 | RogerWard | pyther: maybe, so maybe thats busted |
| 01:21.00 | Soskel | and, what's the command to restart ssh? |
| 01:21.00 | dondelelcaro | pyther: do you have any other machines? |
| 01:21.06 | dondelelcaro | Soskel: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 01:21.10 | Soskel | thanks a ton |
| 01:21.19 | abrotman | takes pyther's HDD and sticks in a usable machine |
| 01:21.31 | pyther | abrotman, its not even a standard ide connection |
| 01:21.37 | pyther | some old something |
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| 01:21.59 | pyther | I don't even know (mind this is a Pentium, with 40MB (yes MB) of Ram, 2GB (hard drive) |
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| 01:22.37 | RogerWard | pyther: if you're really bored, connect it via serial null modem cable to another computer, and run PPP |
| 01:22.38 | abrotman | it's probably a toshiba too! |
| 01:22.38 | EtherNet- | abrotman, do you know if there is some VNC server for debian which allows me to share the current desktop? instead of a new X session |
| 01:23.05 | abrotman | EtherNet-: do you use gnome/kde ? |
| 01:23.16 | EtherNet- | abrotman, no, I don't, I use wmaker |
| 01:23.29 | EtherNet- | abrotman, I know KDE/GNOME got a services for that purpose |
| 01:23.47 | dondelelcaro | pyther: uh... pentium class machines all have standard ide connectors |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | EtherNet-: apt-cache show x11vnc |
| 01:23.56 | dondelelcaro | (unless they're scsi, which would be really unusual) |
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| 01:24.11 | EtherNet- | abrotman, lemme find. |
| 01:24.12 | abrotman | or some awful company that intentionally screwed their customers |
| 01:24.34 | abrotman | !info x11vnc |
| 01:24.40 | dpkg | x11vnc: (VNC server to allow remote access to an existing X session), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.3.dfsg.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 747 kB, Installed size: 1496 kB |
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| 01:25.07 | pyther | I dunno how to explain it, this is an old dell, and its got like mabye an 1nch 1/2 of a connector |
| 01:25.40 | abrotman | pyther: that's probably just the adapter .. you can probably remove the drive from the caddy |
| 01:25.59 | CastingCrowns | I need help. I am trying to install hotplug, and its warning me its going to remove my kernel, what gives? |
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| 01:26.21 | abrotman | CastingCrowns: your kernel isn't compatible |
| 01:26.34 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: Will it install another one? |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | CastingCrowns: you have udev which has a kind of replacement |
| 01:27.01 | pyther | abrotman, I'll check it out |
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| 01:27.21 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: Was that a question? |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | CastingCrowns: no |
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| 01:29.27 | stew | CastingCrowns: installing hotplug wants to remove udev because the two conflict, your kernel is dependent on a inird creator, which is currently initramfs-tools which depends on udev |
| 01:29.28 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: So if I go through with thre kernel removal, will I be able to boot to another kernel? |
| 01:29.42 | stew | CastingCrowns: is there a reason you want to use hotplug instead of udev to load firmware? |
| 01:29.47 | abrotman | CastingCrowns: you really don't want to |
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| 01:30.29 | stew | CastingCrowns: or what made you decide to install hotplug |
| 01:31.24 | CastingCrowns | stew: Well, I am trying to learn about how my network card is brought up, and I was reading the 'man ifup" and it talked about hot-plug, so I did 'man hot-plug' and it wasnt installed, but I noticed in my /etc/network/interfaces file, it said auto hotplug eth0, so I figured I would install hotplug so I could look at the man pages |
| 01:31.29 | EtherNet- | abrotman, excellent man, it works perfectly. |
| 01:31.37 | EtherNet- | abrotman, holy you :P |
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| 01:31.38 | abrotman | EtherNet-: see what apt-cache search can do |
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| 01:31.51 | stew | CastingCrowns: the "allow-hotplug" interfaces / ifup has nothing to do with the hotplug package |
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| 01:32.02 | EtherNet- | abrotman, I swear I look a lot, but I couldn't get one which shows the current session as it does. |
| 01:32.30 | abrotman | EtherNet-: apt-cache search vnc server .. it's in the small list |
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| 01:32.36 | CastingCrowns | stew: man ifup claimed it did. this stuff is to confusing, are there diferent hotplug things? |
| 01:33.10 | CastingCrowns | To automate the configuration of |
| 01:33.10 | CastingCrowns | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.10 | CastingCrowns | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.27 | CastingCrowns | stew: This is what it said: |
| 01:33.28 | stew | CastingCrowns: that information is outdated |
| 01:33.32 | CastingCrowns | hahaha |
| 01:33.34 | abrotman | bug time! |
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| 01:33.56 | CastingCrowns | stew: I guess, I just noticd the date was 2004, lol |
| 01:34.00 | stew | CastingCrowns: ifplugd is still relevant, but not hotplug |
| 01:34.25 | CastingCrowns | stew: So if the man pages are outdated, how can I really learn about this stuff |
| 01:35.10 | stew | CastingCrowns: i don't know. asking here, reading more manpages, reading sourcecode |
| 01:35.21 | CastingCrowns | stew: Let me ask a diferent question. What happnes at boot to make my interface come up? |
| 01:35.39 | stew | CastingCrowns: /etc/rcS.d/S40networking |
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| 01:39.17 | pmv | lol http://fun.buetow.org/macbookcommodorecompare.jpg |
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| 01:41.35 | CastingCrowns | stew: I am using ndiswrapper, and once ina while I loose connection to my router, so when I 'rmmod ndiswrapper' to get rid of it in hopes to reset stuff, debian automaticly loads it right away. Is there a way to stop this? |
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| 01:42.04 | stew | CastingCrowns: i know what ndiswrapper is, and that is about it. |
| 01:42.09 | abrotman | CastingCrowns: you mean reloads it ? |
| 01:42.15 | prolix | is there a list of dependencies for the 2.6.24.4 kernel somewhere? |
| 01:42.24 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: Well, re-modprobes it |
| 01:42.46 | stew | prolix: there are none |
| 01:43.01 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: It will not rmmod and stay that way |
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| 01:43.16 | prolix | stew: no lists or no dependencies? |
| 01:43.21 | w3rd_ | hey guys if i want to install debian on a server, if it acts as an ids... what stops that system from being compromised in itself? |
| 01:43.36 | abrotman | CastingCrowns: is it set to allow-hotplug in the interfaces file ? |
| 01:44.16 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: Well wlan0 is set to allow-hotplug., but nothing in there about ndiswrapper |
| 01:44.20 | stew | prolix: in general, the kernel doesn't have dependencies, unless you are talking about a specific debian packaging of a kernel, (which it didn't seem like you were since 2.6.24.4 doesn't look like a debian version) |
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| 01:44.36 | stew | prolix: unless, maybe you are asking about the dependencies needed to build the kernel, or package the kernel, or something |
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| 01:45.23 | abrotman | CastingCrowns: i don't know much about ndiswrapper .. but that seems like something that might re-modprobe |
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| 01:45.59 | prolix | stew: well, i am running debian and from what i understand, 2.6.24.4 is the latest stable kernel. i want to, i don't know what the correct term is, but i'll go with update my kernel |
| 01:46.03 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: Have you heard of modules that auto modprobe once removed? |
| 01:46.30 | stew | prolix: what do you need from 2.6.24 that isn't available from the debian stable kernel? |
| 01:47.03 | prolix | my intergrated wireless isn't working |
| 01:47.05 | prolix | stew: |
| 01:47.09 | stew | prolix: which card? |
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| 01:47.18 | prolix | it's realtek |
| 01:47.40 | prolix | stew: one sec. i'll get the model |
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| 01:48.16 | dcnoye|home | is there a debian package for vmware tools out for etch ? |
| 01:48.24 | prolix | stew: realtek RTL8185L |
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| 01:48.56 | abrotman | dcnoye|home: packages.debian.org/vmware .. see anything that matches ? |
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| 01:49.07 | dcnoye|home | thanks dude |
| 01:49.12 | stew | prolix: do you know which kernel version supports it? if 2.6.22 is good enough, there are much easier ways than compiling your own kernel |
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| 01:49.30 | dondelelcaro | !kmuto |
| 01:49.30 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 01:49.36 | dondelelcaro | prolix: see above. |
| 01:49.48 | prolix | stew: 2.6.22 is what the website says. |
| 01:49.52 | prolix | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 01:50.08 | dondelelcaro | prolix: actually, nevermind. Since you've got it booting, just wget the appropriate kernel from testing or unstable, and dpkg -i it. |
| 01:50.17 | dondelelcaro | prolix: I thought you were trying to do an install with that wireless card |
| 01:50.33 | stew | prolix: or get a backported kernel from backports.org: |
| 01:50.35 | stew | !bpo |
| 01:50.36 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 01:50.46 | evilstrike | hello, does anyone know of a command or the correct files in /proc that can display the number of HDD's, the size of each HDD's and its model (ie: Seagate) on a debian server? |
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| 01:51.42 | Krozy | evilstrike: maybe hdparm? |
| 01:52.03 | pyther | How can I install debian from a livecd/other system? |
| 01:52.06 | prolix | stew: what's the easier way to get 2.6.22? |
| 01:52.37 | dondelelcaro | prolix: for just the kernel, I'd just wget it. If you need anything else though, use backports.org. |
| 01:52.49 | dondelelcaro | (or if you have to build non-mainline modules) |
| 01:52.54 | evilstrike | Krozy: I tried hdparm but did not manage to option info out of it. I get errors saying no info and such |
| 01:53.03 | dondelelcaro | pyther: if you can boot off of a cd, you might as well just use the installer cd. |
| 01:53.35 | dondelelcaro | evilstrike: /proc/partitions has the important bits; for the models, you have to use smartctl |
| 01:53.35 | Krozy | evilstrike: try it as root/sudo ? |
| 01:53.49 | _vvd | little OT, but how do i "exit" (bash) in python? |
| 01:54.01 | prolix | dondelelcaro: i've downloaded 2.6.24.4, moved it to /usr/src, tar -xvzf and now i'm here on the edge, peering into the void |
| 01:54.05 | evilstrike | Krozy> yeah with root made no difference |
| 01:54.08 | pyther | dondelelcaro, I can't, laptop doesn't detect the cdrom drive |
| 01:54.11 | dondelelcaro | prolix: uh... you wget the .deb. |
| 01:54.20 | dondelelcaro | prolix: from packages.debian.org |
| 01:54.37 | dondelelcaro | pyther: how do you boot a live-cd then? |
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| 01:54.56 | prolix | dondelelcaro: isn't wget the same as using a browser? |
| 01:55.05 | evilstrike | dondelelcaro> doesnt partitions just tell me the block/size of each partition and not how many physical HDD there actually are |
| 01:55.06 | pyther | dondelelcaro, stole the laptop hard drive and mounted it using a 2.5 IDE to usb adapter |
| 01:55.46 | prolix | yeah, i'm cfnouesd |
| 01:55.53 | Krozy | evilstrike: how about blktool ? |
| 01:56.33 | evilstrike | Krozy: never heard of it, I will check that and see |
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| 01:56.44 | dondelelcaro | prolix: sure |
| 01:56.54 | dondelelcaro | evilstrike: which tells you how many physical drives there are. |
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| 01:57.08 | dondelelcaro | pyther: so install using the install-cd. |
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| 01:57.48 | pyther | dondelelcaro, with the machine with the adapter? |
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| 01:58.02 | Shadow_mil | Would it be possible to upgrade to KDE4? |
| 01:59.56 | cafuego | downgrade you mean? |
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| 02:00.15 | pyther | cafuego, no I'm pretty sure he means upgrade |
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| 02:00.28 | abrotman | downgrade! |
| 02:00.38 | Shadow_mil | cafuego, don't like KDE4? |
| 02:00.39 | cafuego | pyther: so he's on kde5 now? |
| 02:00.44 | dondelelcaro | pyther: yes. |
| 02:00.47 | cafuego | Shadow_mil: It's like Vista |
| 02:01.04 | Shadow_mil | cafuego, if you think so |
| 02:01.17 | cafuego | ugly and requiring too many clicks to log out |
| 02:01.23 | Shadow_mil | cafuego, I wanna try it |
| 02:01.41 | Shadow_mil | Though, I don't wanna loose KDE3.5 |
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| 02:02.05 | cafuego | Shadow_mil: I tried it in a chroot here and deleted the chroot after 5 mins |
| 02:02.23 | cafuego | Shadow_mil: There may be packages that aloow side by side installation though |
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| 02:03.01 | Shadow_mil | cafuego, how would I go about installing it on a chroot? |
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| 02:03.17 | pyther | Does the intall cd have usb support? |
| 02:03.29 | Kevin` | yeah |
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| 02:04.24 | pyther | Kevin`, what might I need to load? |
| 02:04.36 | Kevin` | you shouldn't need to load anything |
| 02:05.01 | pyther | I wonder if its because I'm in a virtual machine :-/ |
| 02:05.03 | Kevin` | last I tried usb with the install (usb cdrom), it just worked |
| 02:05.29 | Kevin` | why do you need to use usb during the install in a vm |
| 02:05.45 | pyther | Kevin`, that is where the hard drive is :P |
| 02:05.56 | pyther | I'm trying to install in a virtual machine for an actual machine :P |
| 02:06.00 | Kevin` | not that it should be different from any other time using usb. make sure your vm software is forwarding it |
| 02:06.16 | cafuego | Shadow_mil: Easiest would be by using debootstrap |
| 02:06.18 | Kevin` | you could just attach the hard drive as a scsi hard disk instead of usb |
| 02:06.30 | Kevin` | that will be similar enough to boot after the install |
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| 02:06.57 | pyther | Kevin`, not sure how I'd do that? |
| 02:07.34 | Kevin` | pyther see the documentation for your vm software. ask me if your using qemu, ##windows for virtual pc, #vmware for . |
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| 02:08.13 | pyther | I'd be willing to use qemu |
| 02:08.52 | Kevin` | what are you using now |
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| 02:09.08 | pyther | virtualbox |
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| 02:09.36 | Kevin` | ah. i'm not familar with that.. it should be an option though, just add a hard drive to the vm from the console and set it to use the usb drive |
| 02:09.38 | pyther | doesn't matter what I use though |
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| 02:10.02 | Kevin` | it matters what you use because the issue here is with the vm software, not the installer, probably |
| 02:10.17 | moshisushi | hello i need some urgent help with apt and the libdjvulibre21_3.5.20-5_i386.deb package |
| 02:10.35 | moshisushi | it broke my apt, and now i can't install anything.. |
| 02:10.42 | Joelito | broke? |
| 02:10.49 | moshisushi | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471650 |
| 02:10.51 | Kevin` | (scsi hd will be faster then usb emulation too) |
| 02:10.58 | moshisushi | found info there, but nothing that helped out |
| 02:11.05 | Skiver | hello people, any idea why after a fresh netinst, i can't get kde-core to install, endless broken dependency |
| 02:11.09 | pyther | Kevin`, how do I do it in qemu, doesn't seem like virtualbox supporst such a feature |
| 02:11.11 | Joelito | moshisushi are using sido or your admin account to use apt |
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| 02:11.21 | moshisushi | my own |
| 02:11.27 | Akuw | Hi |
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| 02:12.14 | Joelito | moshisushi: why not use sudo apt-get install xxx |
| 02:12.15 | Kevin` | pyther i'm sure it must. but. in qemu attach it as an ide device, easier unless things have changed in recent versions. qemu -hda /dev/usbdrive -cdrom debian-blah-4.0r3.iso |
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| 02:12.19 | Kevin` | -boot d |
| 02:12.21 | abrotman | !overwrite |
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| 02:12.21 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 02:12.56 | moshisushi | Joelito: well that's what im doing |
| 02:13.16 | moshisushi | but i get this error, explained at the bug report page i sent you |
| 02:13.20 | pyther | Kevin`, thanks! |
| 02:13.37 | moshisushi | i was going to install tetex-base and tetex-bin when it happened |
| 02:13.41 | Kevin` | pyther also, consider just using debootstrap |
| 02:13.45 | moshisushi | and inkscape |
| 02:13.49 | Joelito | moshisushi: after reading the "bug" either is corrupted package or you can't install because it didn't satisfy the dependencies |
| 02:13.56 | pyther | Kevin`, what is that? |
| 02:14.01 | xoz | moshisushi: pastebin the actual error |
| 02:14.03 | cizzi | \amethyst - when I delete a user with "deluser <username>" I noticed the quota information assigned to that user ID remains attached to the user id # from /etc/passwd, so when a new account is created and takes on that account # he automatically inherits that quota info.. besides deleting the quota files I tried edquota but it wouldnt save the new values, any suggestions? |
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| 02:14.36 | Kevin` | pyther http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 02:14.43 | dondelelcaro | moshisushi: first off, you probably actually want texlive, not tetex. |
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| 02:14.48 | xoz | cizzi: what about userdel? instead of deluser |
| 02:14.58 | cizzi | xoz - didnt try that |
| 02:15.02 | moshisushi | xoz: http://rafb.net/p/Napqgp34.html |
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| 02:15.59 | levander | I think I need to do a 'dpkg-reconfigure' on the linux-image package to get my system to boot again. Problem is, it won't boot to run that command. If I boot from the LiveCD, mount my boot and root partitions, then chroot to the boot partition, can I then run dpkg-reconfigure and have it affect the files on my regular system? |
| 02:16.00 | xoz | moshisushi: are you in etch or unstable? |
| 02:16.05 | cizzi | xoz - same effect, just tried it.. |
| 02:16.10 | cizzi | xoz - not a big deal just annoying |
| 02:16.21 | xoz | cizzi: yep |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | xoz: it's testing/unstable i believe |
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| 02:16.39 | moshisushi | xoz: lenny/sid |
| 02:16.44 | pyther | Kevin`, exactly what I was looking for |
| 02:16.47 | moshisushi | eh |
| 02:16.52 | moshisushi | sorry |
| 02:16.53 | xoz | moshisushi: apt-get remove evince |
| 02:17.09 | xoz | moshisushi: dpkg --pending --configure |
| 02:17.12 | dondelelcaro | moshisushi: if you're running testing, then it's been removed from testing (or never was there) |
| 02:17.30 | dondelelcaro | moshisushi: so you'll either have to downgrade to the older version of evince, remove it, or wait. |
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| 02:18.02 | dondelelcaro | moshisushi: and using aptitude instead of apt-get will help you resolve these sorts of problems more elegantly. |
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| 02:19.08 | xoz | is thinking to link apt-get command with aptitude.... apt-get seems easier to type ;) |
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| 02:19.48 | bertoli | hi all, i already changed my menu.lst (from grub), and put rootnoverify (hd0,0)/makeactive/chainloader +1... but the grub cant start the winxp... whats wrong ? |
| 02:20.01 | abrotman | xoz: apti<tab> ? |
| 02:21.04 | xoz | abrotman: yep... i will have to reprogram my brain. |
| 02:21.29 | abrotman | xoz: it's like apt-<tab> :) |
| 02:21.53 | icesword | abrotman, hello,:p |
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| 02:22.11 | xoz | abrotman: apt-get suggests get something... while aptitude does not mean something to me right now. |
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| 02:22.37 | abrotman | xoz: it means .. APTITUDE .. SHAZAM! |
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| 02:39.46 | Shadow_mil | I'm adding deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian experimental main to my source list. Will I need to do anything but a aptitude update to get access to the experimental packages? |
| 02:40.10 | abrotman | Shadow_mil: we don't support experimental .. if you don't know how to use it .. STAY AWAY FROM IT |
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| 02:40.35 | Shadow_mil | abrotman, well how do I suggest I try KDE4? |
| 02:40.38 | Mantaar | Shadow_mil: you might want to sacrifice a chicken or two. And don't forget the exact steps of the ritual dance. |
| 02:40.39 | Shadow_mil | you* |
| 02:40.54 | Mantaar | Shadow_mil: there are repos for KDE4 iirc. |
| 02:40.56 | abrotman | Shadow_mil: i honestly don't .. from what i've heard it's very buggy |
| 02:40.59 | dserban | Hello, I have a game that complains about needing a shared object file. -- ./wolf.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory -- |
| 02:41.07 | dserban | can I just ln -s to something? |
| 02:41.14 | abrotman | like .. worse than normal kde buggines |
| 02:42.39 | Shadow_mil | abrotman, saying normal KDE buggines is not a good thing to say to be, when I dont |
| 02:42.49 | Shadow_mil | don't have any problems with KDE |
| 02:42.54 | abrotman | keep it that way |
| 02:43.03 | abrotman | !tell Shadow_mil about kde4 |
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| 02:44.05 | Mantaar | Shadow_mil: I also remember to have heard about liveCDs using KDE4. Don't mess up your system just like that. Try the liveCDs first and see if you like it. If you're not a dev that wants to work on it, you're not likely to like it, but you may still try to... |
| 02:44.27 | Shadow_mil | Mantaar, they are not available yet lol |
| 02:44.37 | Mantaar | Anyways. adding experimental to sources.list is like opening your firewall on Windows... |
| 02:44.53 | prolix_ | i'm running gnome on debian 4.0 with the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel on a gl960 chipset. when i sudo iwconfig, i don't see wlan0. |
| 02:45.14 | Shadow_mil | does irc.debian.org link to freenode? |
| 02:45.15 | prolix_ | s/gl960/intel mobile gl960 |
| 02:45.17 | Mantaar | Shadow_mil: NOT AVAILABLE? Try googling for: kde4 livecd. First two hits. One SuSE, one debian. |
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| 02:45.51 | abrotman | Shadow_mil: no |
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| 02:46.17 | Shadow_mil | Download the Debian KDE 4.0 live CD |
| 02:46.17 | Shadow_mil | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.17 | Shadow_mil | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.31 | Shadow_mil | Mantaar, and Ill be damned if I use SuSE |
| 02:46.41 | abrotman | Shadow_mil: ask #debian-kde .. kde4 is not in debian |
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| 02:47.29 | prolix_ | am i missing a driver? |
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| 02:48.01 | abrotman | prolix_: we'd have to know the wifi chipset |
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| 02:48.38 | prolix_ | abrotman: it's an integrated realtek rtl8185 802.11b/g |
| 02:48.50 | moshisushi | shit, this evince thing has really broke my whole apt-get |
| 02:49.16 | moshisushi | can't event install xpdf to continue working :( |
| 02:49.26 | Mantaar | moshisushi: do you have trouble with a package called libdjvupre-whatever? |
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| 02:51.27 | moshisushi | Mantaar: yes |
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| 02:53.15 | Mantaar | moshisushi: had that myself today. Using sid, eh? Well, I had to go the long way. Deinstall everything that depends on libdjvu-wtf-ever-it-is (included stuff like imagemagick and inkscape for me). Go to aptitude, search for libdjvulibpre15 (if that's your current version) just - it, and also remove all of its depend-upons. |
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| 02:53.34 | moshisushi | Mantaar: im doing the long thing now |
| 02:53.43 | moshisushi | i use the resolve-feature now |
| 02:53.46 | moshisushi | in aptitude |
| 02:53.47 | Mantaar | THEN when that's finished and that's no longer a problem, install libdjvuwtf21 or so. |
| 02:54.49 | Mantaar | May take all of GNOME with it, dunno, don't have it, but sonds like a natural thing for Gnome to depend on imagemagick. I did not find any other way around it. But as long as you don't *purge*, nothing bad should happen. |
| 02:55.01 | Mantaar | it's just a PITA ;-) |
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| 02:55.38 | hark | you guys should look into apt-listbugs :) |
| 02:55.59 | moshisushi | Mantaar: stuff works now |
| 02:56.12 | moshisushi | gotta reinstall prettymuch all of gnome though :) |
| 02:56.12 | abrotman | hark: that's crazy talk |
| 02:56.18 | Mantaar | moshisushi: glad it does. |
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| 02:56.30 | moshisushi | Mantaar: who needs gnome anyway?! |
| 02:56.41 | moshisushi | :p |
| 02:56.51 | Mantaar | hark: thanks for the tip. I'll try it next time. Not that I really have that much time to spend for sysadmin stuff on my home machine though... |
| 02:57.00 | Mantaar | moshisushi: XMonad all the way... :-P |
| 02:57.56 | msan | what the heck is xmonad ? |
| 02:58.08 | Mantaar | msan: xmonad.org |
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| 02:58.21 | Mantaar | The One and Only Window Manager. |
| 02:58.50 | moshisushi | StumpWM! |
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| 02:59.13 | Mantaar | as long as it's not ion3... |
| 02:59.53 | snogglethorpe | moshisushi: gotta love a wm with the word "stump" in its name... |
| 03:00.17 | msan | vtwm !! :) |
| 03:00.57 | moshisushi | snogglethorpe: yes and it's tiling and written in common lisp. lovely! |
| 03:02.22 | Mantaar | moshisushi: let's have a flame war about tiling WMs written in purely functional languages now, shall we? That's the geekiest thing I've thought about in a wihle. |
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| 03:03.48 | msan | hmmm that reminds me of GWM .. used its own Lisp .. WOOL it was called. |
| 03:04.40 | snogglethorpe | msan: wasn't that a freaky bizarro-lisp? |
| 03:04.50 | snogglethorpe | msan: that's my recollection anyway... |
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| 03:05.25 | turneralex | hey guys |
| 03:05.26 | msan | I love lisp/scheme as much as anyone else, but that was weird. |
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| 03:05.43 | msan | If only Guile existed back then |
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| 03:06.14 | snogglethorpe | msan: does anybody use guile yet? |
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| 03:08.24 | interclube | boa noite |
| 03:08.32 | interclube | eu sow novo na debian |
| 03:08.42 | interclube | e estou com alguns problemas |
| 03:08.51 | Mantaar | you este in wrong channel. |
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| 03:09.23 | amphi | !br |
| 03:09.24 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:09.33 | pyther | Can anyone suggest a simple picture/slideshow viewer? |
| 03:09.40 | interclube | pow valew |
| 03:09.50 | Mantaar | pyther: I use either gthumb or feh |
| 03:09.54 | amphi | er... |
| 03:10.10 | snogglethorpe | pyther: i dunno if it counts as "simple" but I love gqview |
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| 03:10.30 | pyther | snogglethorpe, no, I'm looking for something very lightweight that will cycle through pictures X minues |
| 03:10.36 | snogglethorpe | it has some nice features, like it reads partially-written images correctly, and auto-refreshes if they get updated |
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| 03:11.10 | Mantaar | pyther: then feh is your way to go. |
| 03:11.10 | prolix_ | ugh |
| 03:11.10 | pyther | Mantaar, anything that doesn't depends on X? |
| 03:11.13 | Mantaar | doesn't even have a graphical interface. Picture that. |
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| 03:11.21 | Mantaar | pyther: Uhm. No it does depend on X. |
| 03:11.58 | Mantaar | I don't remember if you could compile it with only framebuffer support. But I think you won't find anything in apt that's good for viewing images and does not depend on X. |
| 03:12.06 | amphi | pyther: zgv perhaps |
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| 03:12.46 | pyther | amphi, thanks I'll check it out, is that in the repo's? |
| 03:13.24 | prolix_ | if i need 2.6.22 and i have 2.6.28, would it be possible to download and install 2.6.22 via an apt-get install (i don't know what kernel 2.6.22 would be called) command? |
| 03:13.34 | amphi | pyther: should be - it uses svgalib, so you'll need to set that up correctly |
| 03:13.37 | prolix_ | s/2.6.28/2.6.18 |
| 03:13.51 | amphi | pyther: it's an image viewer, so it may well do slide shows |
| 03:14.15 | snogglethorpe | pyther: qiv is also nice |
| 03:14.58 | pyther | neither seem to be in the repo's :-/ |
| 03:15.06 | snogglethorpe | pyther: qiv is there... |
| 03:15.11 | snogglethorpe | pyther: feh used to be, I think |
| 03:15.14 | hark | pyther: fbi too |
| 03:15.25 | snogglethorpe | yah feh is there |
| 03:15.34 | pyther | do I need to enable extra repo's (noob to debian) |
| 03:15.44 | amphi | pyther: zgv is available here (testing) |
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| 03:16.06 | snogglethorpe | hmm what's the command to show which repo a package comes from ...? :-) |
| 03:16.08 | pyther | I test have the update soure entries, where can I get the other ones? |
| 03:16.18 | amphi | pyther: and it's been around for ages |
| 03:16.23 | snogglethorpe | hmm |
| 03:16.39 | abrotman | snogglethorpe: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 03:16.42 | snogglethorpe | amphi: qiv is smaller though... :-) |
| 03:17.04 | amphi | snogglethorpe: I never used that |
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| 03:17.17 | pyther | how can I add more repo's to my soruces? |
| 03:17.23 | snogglethorpe | pyther: hmm all the above seem to be in both testing and unstable repos |
| 03:17.33 | snogglethorpe | pyther: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:17.48 | pyther | snogglethorpe, what paths do I add though (debian n00b) |
| 03:18.09 | snogglethorpe | pyther: something like: |
| 03:18.11 | snogglethorpe | deb http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 03:18.39 | snogglethorpe | [use your favorit debian mirror instead of "ftp.jp.debian.org" if desired] |
| 03:19.33 | icesword | apt-spy?how about |
| 03:20.24 | dabreegster | I'm trying to make port 8080 accessible from outside my lan. port forwarding is correctly setup in my router, but the connection still times out when people try to connect. I think I need an iptables rule, but -L makes me believe any port should be accepted unless I'm misinterpreting it |
| 03:20.30 | abrotman | !apt-spy |
| 03:20.30 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your ... |
| 03:20.56 | prolix_ | pyther: in /etc/apt/sources.list you just remove the # sign from servers you want to include and if you want to include a server that's not commented out with a #, then you simply add the address. |
| 03:21.19 | prolix_ | pyther: i had to add these two: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 03:21.19 | prolix_ | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main |
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| 03:24.20 | icesword | yeah,us is fast,for me it is 200k/s |
| 03:25.22 | prolix_ | i don't know the non-us addresses |
| 03:31.23 | icesword | prolix_, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list? |
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| 03:31.58 | jan_ | Hey, is it possible to load the Debian in the RAM and let it write to the disk every 10 minutes? |
| 03:32.08 | jan_ | if it is possible, how do i do that |
| 03:32.14 | jan_ | My eee will thank you ;) |
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| 03:33.31 | Penix | jan_: Debian's already loaded in your ram |
| 03:33.46 | jan_ | no, only the kernel |
| 03:33.52 | jan_ | but the swap is on the hdd |
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| 03:33.56 | Penix | so, you want a whole system running in a ramdisk or something? |
| 03:34.00 | jan_ | yes |
| 03:34.16 | Penix | yes, it's certainly possible |
| 03:34.26 | Lewoco | I copied my entire hard disk to a new (bigger) disk using 'cp -ax / /mnt/newroot' and installed grub interactively, specifying root (hd2,0) and setup (hd2). I then removed the old disk and connected the new disk in it's place and powered it up. Unfortunately it doesn't boot anymore. grub stage1.5 reports 'Error 2', which according to the manual means 'Bad file or directory type: This error is returned if a file requested is not a regular file, but somethin |
| 03:34.27 | Lewoco | g like a symbolic link, directory, or FIFO.", but I check the file and stat reports that stage2 is indeed just a regular file... What can I do to help resolve this problem? |
| 03:34.27 | jan_ | including the gnome/kde/xfce |
| 03:34.32 | simonrvn | oh man, "coincidences" all day today... |
| 03:34.37 | Penix | hehe |
| 03:35.03 | jan_ | And how can i load it into the RAM? |
| 03:35.21 | prolix_ | icesword: cd /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:35.24 | jan_ | and is it possible with 512 mb ram (i get more, but the shipping takes soo long -.-) |
| 03:36.08 | icesword | not me |
| 03:37.15 | simonrvn | cd? |
| 03:37.27 | prolix_ | yeah. that's wrong |
| 03:37.34 | prolix_ | vim /etc/apt/foo |
| 03:37.37 | infernal_jesus | simonrvn: not cd, vi |
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| 03:38.32 | simonrvn | tell that to prolix_ |
| 03:38.46 | prolix_ | listens |
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| 03:39.22 | infernal_jesus | icesword: it's vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:39.49 | prolix_ | infernal_jesus: i think he was citing a source to see non-us servers |
| 03:39.59 | infernal_jesus | oh |
| 03:40.00 | icesword | ohhh,come on,it is not,ME,my sources.list is ok |
| 03:40.07 | infernal_jesus | ok sorry |
| 03:40.08 | infernal_jesus | chill :D |
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| 03:40.49 | icesword | think it is pyther |
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| 03:42.12 | prolix_ | i guess he should be replaced with she/he/it |
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| 03:45.11 | jan_ | aaah, where can i get the atl2-modules-2.6.22-3-686_2.6.22+1.0.40.4-9_i386.deb |
| 03:45.16 | jan_ | i need them quickly :( |
| 03:45.52 | infernal_jesus | jan_: have you tried apt-get? |
| 03:46.00 | liable | should be in the lenny repo |
| 03:46.02 | jan_ | no, i need the deb ;) |
| 03:46.17 | infernal_jesus | jan_: yes, apt-get |
| 03:46.30 | infernal_jesus | jan_: you don't have to install it, just download it :P |
| 03:47.06 | jan_ | hehe |
| 03:47.12 | jan_ | it doesnt find something |
| 03:47.19 | infernal_jesus | jan_: apt-get -d packagename |
| 03:47.35 | jan_ | nope, did not find it |
| 03:47.39 | jan_ | but i already got it :) |
| 03:48.35 | infernal_jesus | jan_: have you tried the debian.org website? you can search the repository there too, and download it from there |
| 03:49.07 | infernal_jesus | jan_: http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 03:49.35 | jan_ | infernal_jesus, i did, and found it |
| 03:49.37 | jan_ | via google :( |
| 03:49.39 | jan_ | :) |
| 03:49.46 | infernal_jesus | jan_: oh ok :) |
| 03:50.06 | jan_ | now.. debian on the eee |
| 03:50.14 | jan_ | ^^ |
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| 03:50.55 | jan_ | ops, kernel panic |
| 03:51.37 | jan_ | this could be a problem |
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| 03:52.13 | infernal_jesus | jan_: what are you trying to do? :P |
| 03:52.27 | jan_ | install debian on the asus eee |
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| 03:52.33 | Skiver | great....tasksel install kde-desktop gives me gnome |
| 03:52.37 | jan_ | but i get a kernel panic |
| 03:53.11 | jan_ | not syncing: VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(9,0) |
| 03:53.15 | jan_ | wtf is this? :) |
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| 03:53.33 | jan_ | its 5 o clock in the morning, the whole night i tried to install a OS |
| 03:53.52 | jan_ | and now this shit? I have had debian on this thing... but why now not? |
| 03:54.33 | infernal_jesus | jan_: have you selected support for your file system in the kernel configuration? |
| 03:54.44 | jan_ | i did not compile the kernel |
| 03:55.00 | jan_ | so i dunno |
| 03:55.11 | infernal_jesus | when do you get this error? |
| 03:55.30 | jan_ | it uncompress linux |
| 03:55.46 | jan_ | then i get PCI: Not using MMCONFIG |
| 03:56.25 | jan_ | RAMDISK: incomplete write: (-28 != 32768) 8388608 |
| 03:56.29 | jan_ | and then the panic |
| 03:56.38 | infernal_jesus | jan_: the PCI error might be because of the BIOS |
| 03:56.46 | infernal_jesus | is the BIOS the latest version? |
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| 03:56.56 | jan_ | yes it is |
| 03:57.10 | jan_ | but it already worked with this bios.. |
| 03:57.14 | infernal_jesus | oh |
| 03:57.16 | infernal_jesus | debian 4.0? |
| 03:57.20 | jan_ | dunno |
| 03:57.22 | jan_ | moment |
| 03:57.28 | jan_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePCGerman/HowTo/Install |
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| 03:58.17 | infernal_jesus | jan_: good thing I'm fluent in german :P |
| 03:58.32 | prolix_ | is sudo apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.22-686 the correct syntax to update the kernel on a computer currently using 2.6.18-6-686 with an intel celeron processor? |
| 03:59.26 | infernal_jesus | prolix_: in my opinion, you should compile a new kernel, you get to know your system, and you get to remove things you don't need |
| 03:59.38 | jan_ | infernal_jesus, i can boot the console of my ubuntu |
| 03:59.49 | jan_ | so can i do anything with it to install debian? |
| 04:00.46 | infernal_jesus | jan_: well I guess you could download debian on ubuntu and compile it |
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| 04:00.58 | infernal_jesus | but that might take long :P |
| 04:01.00 | jan_ | i dont have enought knowledge |
| 04:01.09 | jan_ | and not enought free disk space :P |
| 04:01.21 | jan_ | 4Gb :P |
| 04:01.22 | prolix_ | infernal_jesus: i get up to the make menuconfig in libncurses-5-dev and i get lost |
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| 04:01.36 | jan_ | well, the time is not important.. i got fast internet ^^ |
| 04:01.56 | infernal_jesus | jan_: back to the errors, kernel panic might mean the file system is not supported |
| 04:01.57 | prolix_ | one too many -'s |
| 04:02.15 | infernal_jesus | but if you had it there, maybe you're not pointing it to the right location on the disk |
| 04:02.28 | infernal_jesus | prolix_: what do you mean? :P |
| 04:02.35 | jan_ | infernal_jesus, hehe, i cant avoid it.. a compiled kernel i cannot compile back ;) |
| 04:02.37 | stew | prolix_: did you add backports.org sources? |
| 04:02.50 | jan_ | on what i can point then? |
| 04:02.57 | infernal_jesus | jan_: oh you compiled the kernel? |
| 04:03.04 | jan_ | i sticked the stick into a usbport and dod it the normal way |
| 04:03.04 | prolix_ | stew: no, i haven't. would they go with the other sources? |
| 04:03.14 | jan_ | infernal_jesus, no where i dsaiid this? |
| 04:03.32 | infernal_jesus | <jan_> infernal_jesus, hehe, i cant avoid it.. a compiled kernel i cannot compile back ;) |
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| 04:03.42 | stew | prolix_: yes, read the instructions page at backports.org, then youd 'apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-image-2.6-686' |
| 04:03.43 | jan_ | a compiled kernel cannot be compiled back |
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| 04:03.49 | infernal_jesus | you can recompile the kernel :P |
| 04:03.52 | jan_ | i only said that the kernel is already compiled |
| 04:04.01 | prolix_ | stew: thank you kindly |
| 04:04.05 | jan_ | but without the files? |
| 04:04.08 | jan_ | ^^ |
| 04:04.16 | stew | jan_: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:04.29 | jan_ | install debian on a eeepc |
| 04:04.40 | jan_ | :) |
| 04:04.47 | jan_ | or install it again |
| 04:04.56 | jan_ | i installed ubuntu for test |
| 04:05.02 | jan_ | but now i want debian |
| 04:05.26 | stew | jan_: have you looked at the install guide? (/msg dpkg i-g) |
| 04:05.42 | jan_ | well, it is a tut i follow |
| 04:05.56 | jan_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
| 04:06.45 | stew | jan_: and the problem is the kernel panic when you boot? |
| 04:06.56 | jan_ | ye |
| 04:07.23 | stew | jan_: you are using a standard debian kernel? or one you compiled? |
| 04:07.24 | jan_ | Well.. |
| 04:07.29 | jan_ | i tink it works now |
| 04:07.33 | jan_ | or.. |
| 04:07.35 | jan_ | moment |
| 04:07.41 | jan_ | yup |
| 04:07.46 | jan_ | it was the firefox |
| 04:07.49 | jan_ | or iceweasel |
| 04:07.57 | infernal_jesus | huh? :P |
| 04:08.06 | jan_ | i downloaded the files a second time with wget and it worked oO |
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| 04:08.34 | jan_ | funny ^^ |
| 04:08.38 | infernal_jesus | awesome |
| 04:09.02 | jan_ | not awsome... just not logical? |
| 04:10.10 | jan_ | ehm, brb |
| 04:10.12 | infernal_jesus | jan_: awesome that it worked for you.. :) |
| 04:10.18 | infernal_jesus | jan_: always look on the bright side |
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| 04:17.33 | pyther | I have a very old pentium laptop |
| 04:17.46 | pyther | whenever grub tries to load the system just restarts, any ideas? |
| 04:18.01 | Penix | pyther: it's an old pentium laptop? |
| 04:18.08 | infernal_jesus | pyther: any errors? |
| 04:18.23 | pyther | yes, no errors, just restarts, doesn't even load the kernel output |
| 04:19.35 | enouf | Rumsfeld needs to be shot |
| 04:19.51 | Penix | you only just now realized? |
| 04:20.03 | infernal_jesus | pyther: this happens when you boot into the linux, can you get to the console? |
| 04:20.22 | enouf | no |
| 04:20.38 | pyther | no |
| 04:20.42 | snogglethorpe | enouf: rumsfeld is still around? |
| 04:20.48 | pyther | it jus shows root, kernel, and initrd, then reboots |
| 04:21.01 | pyther | thats basically all the text that gets outputed |
| 04:21.08 | enouf | snogglethorpe: i'm sure we can find him ;P |
| 04:21.16 | prolix_ | well, the backports thing didn't work, but i did figure out how to adjust my clock :) |
| 04:21.25 | prolix_ | small victories. i'll take 'em |
| 04:21.39 | prolix_ | oh, that's why i fixed my clock |
| 04:22.02 | prolix_ | i need quit smoking |
| 04:22.33 | infernal_jesus | prolix_: yeah, you do.. it's hard, but achievable :P |
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| 04:25.08 | enouf | it's not like he knows the pakistan/afghani hills well, like Ubama bin Obama and Conde Crapshit Rice-Bologna do |
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| 04:28.08 | prolix_ | infernal_jesus: :) |
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| 04:33.39 | manfre | I'm using wine 0.9.47 and I am trying to get my logitech usb headset to work. When winecfg starts it dumps an "err:alsa:ALSA_CheckSetVolume...." line followed by a "fixme:mixer:ALSA_MixerInit No master control found..." line. I'm not really sure how to proceed with this issue. |
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| 04:35.35 | manfre | I've done the simple troubleshooting steps of unplugging/replugging the headset and I also set the modprobe option the "index=1" for my intel sound card in /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 04:35.57 | manfre | I read on a few sites that the headset needs to be first |
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| 04:37.42 | infernal_jesus | manfre: try configuring alsa |
| 04:38.02 | infernal_jesus | manfre: there's an auto configure feature I believe |
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| 04:42.49 | nirupama | how to get what port a device is using |
| 04:43.21 | Penix | nirupama: what sort of port and device? |
| 04:43.45 | nirupama | Penix, I have a hp compaq tc4200 tablet pc |
| 04:43.56 | nirupama | Penix, and where pen is not working |
| 04:44.12 | nirupama | Penix, installed wacom-tools and setserial packages |
| 04:44.39 | nirupama | Penix, next to make it work I think i need port and the device where it is ie /dev/ttyS? |
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| 04:45.22 | Penix | nirupama: depends how the touchscreen is connected to the system. |
| 04:45.41 | Penix | nirupama: check your dmesg for info |
| 04:45.42 | prolix_ | sweet |
| 04:46.15 | Penix | nirupama: There's a compaq touchscreen driver that uses a ts* device IIRC |
| 04:46.21 | nirupama | Penix, dmesg shows lot of output |
| 04:46.24 | Penix | don't know if something like a tablet pc would use it though |
| 04:46.30 | nirupama | Penix, I need to grep for what |
| 04:46.32 | Penix | nirupama: lots of touchscreen related output? |
| 04:46.52 | nirupama | Penix, no related to blutooth acpi etc |
| 04:47.20 | Penix | nirupama: then ignore all that and look for touchscreen/tablet related info, obviously |
| 04:47.57 | Penix | nirupama: for a start, hit google and look for docs related to your system running linux |
| 04:48.49 | nirupama | Penix, did that but did not get any usefull document |
| 04:49.01 | nirupama | Penix, http://tc4200.chan.geekcamp.org/#gimp |
| 04:50.00 | Penix | nirupama: you'll need to learn about setting up a touchscreen or possibly something wacom related |
| 04:50.29 | Penix | nirupama: check /dev/input |
| 04:50.40 | nirupama | Penix, http://pastebin.ca/959141 |
| 04:50.41 | RyanRyan52 | Is there any web browser that I can specify on the command line: "some_web_browser --print /home/me/my_file.html"? html2ps does not do css which makes all of my text on top of other text. Is there any way to do this? |
| 04:50.47 | nirupama | Penix, thats my dmesg output |
| 04:52.38 | n3kl | Anyone know how Intel Chipset Laptops fair on linux? |
| 04:52.47 | nirupama | Penix, wacdump /dev/input/event0 |
| 04:52.53 | Penix | n3kl: very well afaik |
| 04:53.08 | manfre | n3kl, my dell with a core 2 duo works well |
| 04:53.20 | n3kl | manfre: that an intel chipset? |
| 04:53.20 | nirupama | Penix, shows stylus stylus1 but dev=unknown model=unknown |
| 04:53.27 | RyanRyan52 | n3kl: wireless has good support |
| 04:53.41 | RyanRyan52 | on my 2 laptops, at least. |
| 04:53.50 | n3kl | cool |
| 04:54.09 | n3kl | Never had an intel chipset, but I am liking the laptops that come with them |
| 04:55.21 | amphi | n3kl: all works well here |
| 04:55.52 | n3kl | Good to hear |
| 04:55.53 | n3kl | thanks |
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| 04:58.12 | n3kl | Any packages out there to support fingerprint reading hardware? |
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| 05:01.15 | infernal_jesus | n3kl: try google :P |
| 05:02.20 | nirupama | Penix, r u there |
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| 05:09.28 | oblio_ | 'lo |
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| 05:09.48 | oblio_ | i think in a dpkg upgrade a few weeks ago spamassassin stopped doing bayesian filtering for my machine |
| 05:09.51 | oblio_ | has anyone encountered that? |
| 05:10.02 | oblio_ | i thought it might be a permissioning issue or something but it's broke |
| 05:11.53 | arooni | oh noes: what to do to fix: -bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 05:15.35 | liable | arooni: are you root? |
| 05:15.43 | arooni | liable, no |
| 05:16.40 | nirupama | Penix, it got detected |
| 05:16.47 | nirupama | Penix, the device is /dev/ttyS0 |
| 05:17.25 | nirupama | I gave setserial /dev/ttyS0 port 0x0200 autoconfig |
| 05:17.34 | nirupama | and wacdump gave a output |
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| 05:19.00 | arooni | liable, ok now it works |
| 05:19.03 | arooni | id expect a better error messag |
| 05:19.09 | arooni | like: Are you root? |
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| 05:20.45 | Tramp | arooni: this will be implemented, as soon as the "dowhatIwant-Button" is done |
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| 05:21.08 | arooni | haha |
| 05:21.23 | arooni | please hurry up with the dowhatiawnt button |
| 05:21.28 | arooni | i have so many great ideas for you folks |
| 05:21.33 | ommpa_loompa | hi Im having problems with Linksys WMP11 v4 with ndsiwrapper has any of you had any luck with this before? |
| 05:26.39 | liable | bummer, reportbug cant use ssl smtp |
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| 05:32.46 | liable | thats such a pain, as I have to use ssl to be able to use my isp account when I am on a different connection. |
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| 05:33.36 | Nasra | have a question: I have 5 cd's debian 4.0r2.....someone gave it to me need to find out if I reboot from one of them....they read OSDisc.com platform 64-bit PC.... |
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| 05:46.35 | Deezire | Nasra: download Debian 4.0r3 netinstall and install base system via apt. |
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| 05:49.57 | Lewoco | Where should I list modules that I wanted loaded on bootup? |
| 05:50.17 | Lewoco | I put one in /etc/modules, but it doesn't seem to be getting loaded. |
| 05:51.07 | Nasra | Deezire: what do I do with those 5 cds' ...can I run at least 1 as live cd? |
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| 05:51.39 | Deezire | You throw them out of the window :p |
| 05:51.51 | Nasra | oh lol |
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| 05:52.27 | Nasra | that one is just 1 cd the 4.0r3 isn't it? |
| 05:52.52 | Deezire | Pretty muc yes, you install a base system, and rest via internet |
| 05:52.58 | Deezire | much* |
| 05:53.46 | Deezire | ftp://ftp.uio.no/linux/debian-iso/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 05:53.53 | Nasra | Deezire I tell you I am running another distro, righ...but wanna be able to run that one as a live cd. |
| 05:54.17 | Deezire | debian does not come in live cd, to my knowledge |
| 05:54.30 | Nasra | yes...yes...you right... |
| 05:54.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nasra, use the unoffical live cd |
| 05:54.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | !live |
| 05:54.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | !debian-live |
| 05:54.50 | Nasra | ok |
| 05:54.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | bloody bot. |
| 05:54.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, ping |
| 05:55.03 | Deezire | You'd be better off to use a Xen based virtual system than loive cd |
| 05:55.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | &ping |
| 05:55.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | ^ping |
| 05:55.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | `ping |
| 05:55.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | none of the bots are alive :( |
| 05:55.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nasra, live.debian.net is what your after |
| 05:55.49 | Nasra | ok |
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| 05:55.57 | Nasra | right |
| 05:56.00 | JohnRobert | how can I clean a source tree the debian way? |
| 05:56.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Deezire, only if he has a system thats xen capable alrady |
| 05:56.06 | jelly-home | !test |
| 05:56.21 | Deezire | Kamping_Kaiser: Pretty much all Linux distros are. |
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| 05:56.54 | JohnRobert | I'm getting this: dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source while trying to compile php5 using dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:57.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | Deezire, etch isnt, iirc |
| 05:58.16 | Deezire | it is |
| 05:58.21 | Deezire | Im running it now. |
| 05:58.34 | Deezire | On debian 40_r3 etch with AMD-64 |
| 05:58.56 | Deezire | It has atleast been stable since 4.0r1 |
| 05:59.05 | Deezire | And you can apt-get it in. |
| 05:59.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | JohnRobert, i cant remember sorry. |
| 05:59.20 | jelly-home | it doesn't have to be Xen, any virtualization technology that works will do |
| 05:59.36 | Deezire | jelly-home: true, but i prefer xen :) |
| 06:00.02 | Nasra | http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/4.0_r0-rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 06:04.06 | Nasra | negative guys I was unsuccessful no download.....all my boxes are taken at this moment....looking for a verion as live-cd... |
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| 06:11.19 | JohnRobert | Kamping_Kaiser: I needed to pass -b to dpkg-buildpackage so it didn't try to rebuild the source |
| 06:11.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | JohnRobert, cool. glad you found it |
| 06:11.58 | prolix | the bot quit? |
| 06:12.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | yep |
| 06:12.18 | JohnRobert | thanks |
| 06:12.20 | prolix | must be a union thing |
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| 06:12.37 | JohnRobert | documenting stuff = win. |
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| 06:13.10 | Skiver | what happens when a lib is listed in dependency but nowhere to be found in the pool ? |
| 06:13.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonders if he'll remember -b when he needs it next |
| 06:13.17 | Skiver | any solution ? |
| 06:13.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Skiver, eg? |
| 06:13.47 | JohnRobert | a quick man dpkg-buildpkg helped me uncover that one |
| 06:13.54 | JohnRobert | and now, it's compiling, yay :) |
| 06:13.57 | dondelelcaro | Skiver: it generally means that a package needs a rebuild or somethign is out of sync. |
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| 06:14.13 | dondelelcaro | Skiver: if you're running unstable, that's par for the course, and you should just expect it to happen from time to time. |
| 06:14.14 | JohnRobert | I might go as far as to write a script to do this |
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| 06:14.39 | dondelelcaro | JohnRobert: there's no point; dpkg-buildpackage is the script that does it all for you. If you just want to build a binary package, use fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
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| 06:15.11 | Skiver | eg: kdebase-kio-plugins and libopenexr2ldbl, yeah unstable. |
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| 06:15.26 | dondelelcaro | heh. |
| 06:15.27 | JohnRobert | yeah, but I mean a script to compile php after downloading the latest ver of this module, extracting it, putting it in the right place, adding the load rules etc |
| 06:15.42 | JohnRobert | (and just do it all kind of thing) |
| 06:15.55 | JohnRobert | so on my site I can say 'just run this script' |
| 06:15.56 | liable | what happened then? |
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| 06:16.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder what i did for debhelper to hate me |
| 06:16.17 | dondelelcaro | Kamping_Kaiser: sorry about that, the machine that bot is on got seriously lagged. |
| 06:16.30 | JohnRobert | this new core duo is much faster for compiling :) |
| 06:16.33 | dondelelcaro | (something ate around 1.3G of memory on it, taking it into swap) |
| 06:16.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | dondelelcaro, ah, np then. |
| 06:17.15 | Skiver | is the unstable pool updated on daily basis ? |
| 06:17.22 | dondelelcaro | Skiver: twice daily, actually. |
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| 06:17.52 | dondelelcaro | Skiver: though some mirrors only update daily |
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| 06:18.20 | dondelelcaro | Skiver: in this case though, it's probably a case of the library having to pass through NEW, which will take a while. |
| 06:18.34 | Superbartt | but why would you want to apt-get upgrade your system twice a day 8)7 |
| 06:18.46 | Skiver | it's a fresh one. |
| 06:19.13 | dondelelcaro | Superbartt: actually, it has more to do with us being able to fix bugs faster than anyhtnig else. |
| 06:19.35 | Superbartt | hmmfg, don't get that one m8 :p |
| 06:19.41 | Skiver | i did a netinst, then installed kde from etch, after that upgrade with sid. |
| 06:19.53 | Skiver | and i'm stucked. |
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| 06:21.38 | Skiver | anyway i'll just wait, thanks for the explanation dondelelcaro. |
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| 06:23.01 | dondelelcaro | Skiver: you can probably add a testing entry to your sources.list and install that way if you want. |
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| 06:26.16 | Skiver | dondelelcaro: will it create more conflict ? all the packages are unstable now. |
| 06:27.03 | Skiver | dondelelcaro: only a few like konqueror and the kdebase-kio-plugins having problems. |
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| 06:32.46 | lymeca | Are there any free software applications that can do TTS? |
| 06:35.24 | infernal_jesus | lymeca: apt-get install festival :) |
| 06:36.33 | infernal_jesus | lymeca: festival has a gaim plugin as well :) |
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| 06:52.04 | Vasistha | I've got two big iso files that I suspect are identical except for the last sector. Of course since they are not text, it's difficult to use diff to verify this. Any recommendations, either for a utility or a channel where this question is more appropriate? |
| 06:52.25 | Penix | Vasistha: md5sum? |
| 06:53.05 | Vasistha | Penix: well, that's an interesting idea, but won't it still choke on the last sector? How can I know if the beginning is the same? |
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| 06:53.14 | MajorP47 | has anyone ajaxterm in use? |
| 06:53.22 | Vasistha | Oh .. hum, I wonder if I can use 'head' or 'dd' or something to read the first n sectors :) |
| 06:54.16 | xingu | Vasistha: bs=512 skip=... |
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| 06:54.27 | xingu | Vasistha: ie with dd |
| 06:54.33 | Vasistha | yeah, that's the way :) thanks xingu |
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| 07:05.18 | elik | How can you determine the version of a module in a kernel? |
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| 07:05.32 | XoX | does anyone know an API for shutting down stations remotely ? , right now i am using a bash script that connects with ssh and executs a script.. |
| 07:06.10 | jim | elik try modinfo |
| 07:07.10 | jim | XoX: nothing I can think of other than what you're doing |
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| 07:07.44 | elik | jim, it did work, thanks |
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| 07:09.05 | elik | I see that there are params, but can you know what is the value of a param |
| 07:10.37 | jim | sometimes that's documented in the source for the module in question |
| 07:10.42 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:11.00 | elik | well, I saw some default values, but no more |
| 07:11.32 | jim | all 10 mins of it so far... |
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| 07:12.58 | cheekee | Amarok does not launch because of the error msg " libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". But the file is in /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1. What to do? |
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| 07:15.42 | jim | I guess you could add /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions to LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 07:16.14 | fazed | When I try to install new stuff (apt-get install binutils) it keeps asking for a CD, how would I make it grab the stuff from the proper debian repos (just installed today, stable version) |
| 07:16.54 | liable | fazed: you need to fix your sources.list |
| 07:16.55 | jim | you want it to go onto the net I'm assuming. yes? |
| 07:17.15 | liable | fazed: its /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:17.54 | xingu | XoX: http://nail.itapac.net/ricmp/ ? |
| 07:17.55 | mrj | fazed: comment out the CD repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:18.04 | fazed | Yeah I see them |
| 07:18.06 | fazed | thanks :) |
| 07:18.35 | Vasistha | !tell fazed about sources.list |
| 07:19.06 | fazed | Thanks. |
| 07:19.07 | tarzeau | is iceowl lightning or sunbird? http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ |
| 07:19.52 | jim | moonskunk! |
| 07:20.10 | Vasistha | tarzeau: from wikipedia: In July 2007, Iceowl, a rebranded version of Mozilla Sunbird, was added to the 'unstable' branch of Debian.[1] |
| 07:20.32 | tarzeau | Vasistha: thank you |
| 07:21.25 | pmv | !iceowl |
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| 07:21.34 | pmv | fail |
| 07:21.53 | jim | it succeeded in not replying... |
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| 07:23.05 | icesword | what?mono debugger? |
| 07:23.10 | icesword | dpkg tells me that |
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| 07:24.48 | jim | icesword, need you to rephrase... much clearer, concise but complete, one sentence per idea |
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| 07:26.48 | pmv | haha |
| 07:28.54 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:28.54 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd129 is <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP? |
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| 07:30.19 | xingu | slumming it on a feed that's an order of magnitude slower than your own is the suck |
| 07:31.34 | icesword | hehehe,i am refering *.mdb file |
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| 07:36.53 | enouf | !icepoop |
| 07:37.22 | enouf | no bueno |
| 07:37.27 | mazzanet | formats eeepc and install debian |
| 07:37.42 | Guerin | hooray for formatting! |
| 07:37.49 | enouf | indeed |
| 07:37.53 | jim | formats? ok... hope you backed up tho |
| 07:38.07 | mazzanet | i just bought it. |
| 07:38.14 | enouf | icesword: fix your sentence formatting |
| 07:38.14 | jim | oh :) |
| 07:38.19 | Crypticfortune | ok, im stuck. loading http://www.skype.com with the current etch iceweasel (2.0.0.12-0etch1) crashes the browser. according to strace it's looking for some non-existant /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/helvR14.pcf.gz right before it dies. gdb says this is an error in nsTextFrame::Reflow. I uninstalled flash, so i know it's not a flash issue... any ideas? |
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| 07:38.28 | mazzanet | AU$445 |
| 07:38.38 | jim | what is it? |
| 07:38.45 | mazzanet | eeepc |
| 07:38.47 | mazzanet | 701 |
| 07:39.18 | Crypticfortune | according to apt-file find, that font file doesn't exist in anything. why's it looking for it? |
| 07:39.18 | pmv | specs? |
| 07:39.31 | jim | have anything to do with the fact lilo used to say eeep? |
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| 07:40.59 | pmv | waiting for the 8 gig one |
| 07:41.02 | pmv | or actually |
| 07:41.10 | pmv | waiting to save for a thinkpad x200 |
| 07:41.11 | mazzanet | this is the 4g |
| 07:41.14 | mazzanet | 8g isn't in .au yet |
| 07:41.34 | prolix_ | would it be possible to recreate a mirror image of a directory that maintains the file hierarchy but doesn't copy the data in the subdirectories? |
| 07:42.08 | pmv | prolix_, yes |
| 07:43.02 | enouf | prolix_: you want dir structure? or files too? |
| 07:43.11 | icesword | enouf, yeah,my english is bad,you know,hehe |
| 07:43.11 | pmv | prolix_, find <path> -type d | while read dir; do mkdir <newpath>/$dir orsomeshit; done |
| 07:43.12 | prolix_ | enouf: just the dir structure |
| 07:43.38 | prolix_ | pmv: thank you |
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| 07:44.01 | enouf | icesword: it's not that, it's the missing spaces in between clauses, phrases - after commas and such <-- like that ;-) |
| 07:44.11 | pmv | oh |
| 07:44.43 | pmv | prolix_, make sure to enclose it in double quotes, "<newpath>/$dir", so you handle names with space well |
| 07:45.10 | prolix_ | pmv: thank you again :) |
| 07:45.22 | pmv | np |
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| 07:48.37 | enouf | prolix_: find . -type d -print | sed -e 's;[^/]*/;|____;g;s;____|; |;g' > /tmp/tree |
| 07:48.46 | suppaman | hello |
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| 07:49.06 | prolix_ | enouf: thank you. will that work across multiple directories? |
| 07:49.23 | enouf | prolix_: i stole that from some idiot, but i'll never use it, have at it ;-) (find is recursive, so yes) |
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| 07:49.37 | prolix_ | enouf: thank you kindly |
| 07:49.39 | xingu | mumbles something about -print0, xargs, and mkdir -p |
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| 07:50.35 | jim | prolix_: howbout you take a look at man find yourself to see how it was done |
| 07:50.36 | enouf | you need to stomp the weenies who use whitespace in filenames |
| 07:51.07 | prolix_ | jim: how about you restrict the tongue in cheek to oral activities :P |
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| 07:51.47 | jim | prolix_: so have you read the man page yet? |
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| 07:52.19 | prolix_ | jim: for which command? |
| 07:52.22 | jim | find |
| 07:52.31 | prolix_ | jim: i have. |
| 07:52.39 | prolix_ | jim: it's not very verbose |
| 07:53.04 | jim | that's why you look at it with a project in mind |
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| 07:53.33 | prolix_ | jim: i figure a question never hurt |
| 07:53.56 | jim | here, you have the opportunity to see how this solution was built for you... and also see how the man page says what it does |
| 07:53.57 | prolix_ | jim: i didn't mean to be offensive |
| 07:54.06 | jim | yes you did |
| 07:54.30 | prolix_ | jim: well, if pedantry is part of the operating system, it should come with a disclaimer. |
| 07:54.37 | icesword | enouf, where can i upload my pictures for free? |
| 07:54.56 | Penix | mazzanet: where did you buy yours from? |
| 07:55.22 | jim | prolix_: when you first was asking, I'm like, cool, I'll offer some stuff maybe |
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| 07:56.22 | jim | but when you changed the requirements about three times, I felt pretty strongly that you ought to acknowledge that you're getting software written for you for free, multiple times |
| 07:57.08 | jim | it was at that point I decided to suggest to you that you try to understand the first solution by comparing it to what is said in the man page |
| 07:57.34 | jim | the main reason is so that you get into the habit of not taking advantage. |
| 07:57.42 | prolix_ | jim: it was merely a hypothetical question and i don't believe in having others do my work for me. however, if there is a venue, or a forum where discussion about a particular subject is encouraged, why not participate? |
| 07:58.14 | jim | that would be exactly my question to you: why not participate? |
| 07:58.21 | prolix_ | jim: unlike the very lucky few, i wasn't born with the linux instince, i have to learn. |
| 07:58.33 | prolix_ | yeah, that should be instinct. |
| 07:58.51 | prolix_ | jim: i can only offer what i know to participate. |
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| 07:58.57 | jim | why are you not taking my suggestion as an opportunity to learn? |
| 07:59.18 | prolix_ | jim: because you're a human being who is deserves a response |
| 07:59.32 | victo | Anybody Windows SSH clients with tabs? Only one I've found so far is SecureCRt which is terrible expensive and seems buggy (colors don't seem to work well) |
| 07:59.36 | icesword | enouf, http://bayimg.com/GAJdIAaBe,have a look at this,plz,and you see under verifycode there are 5s,and 2s,how can i tell what does they mean?i am opening a mdb ,database file |
| 07:59.42 | prolix_ | jim: being lambasted is far from suggestive |
| 08:00.01 | prolix_ | jim: but i can see its motivating potential |
| 08:00.08 | jim | prolix_: the lambasting was for taking unfair advantage. |
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| 08:00.26 | niklas- | Hey. I have a problem with a debian box, where the root partition somehow has crashed, and i cannot execute halt/reboot/shutdown, but some other i can - is there a way to make the machine crash/reboot without thoose files? |
| 08:00.31 | prolix_ | jim: how exactly, in an open source community, am i taking advantage of others? |
| 08:00.46 | jim | by not doing some of the effort yourself. |
| 08:01.15 | jim | by noticing that a person would give you free help, then pulling more and more. |
| 08:01.24 | prolix_ | jim: as long as there is stratification in knowledge there will be differences in ability. i will always rely on someone for information/assistance and the same can be said for everyone in here. |
| 08:01.29 | mazzanet | Penix: officeworks |
| 08:02.02 | Crypticfortune | niklas- grab the executable from another system running the same/compatible OS? (or install a fresh debian system into some chroot?) |
| 08:02.32 | jim | prolix_: not sure how you're using the word stratification here; "difference"? |
| 08:02.51 | niklas- | echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger did the job, thanks anyway (mistyped my first google search, sorry) |
| 08:03.06 | prolix_ | jim: yes, difference works well. |
| 08:03.19 | prolix_ | jim: my point is that everyone was a beginner at one point. |
| 08:03.24 | jim | so you're saying that if someone can't learn, people owe him benefits of other learning |
| 08:03.36 | Crypticfortune | re my firefox problem: Fixed. installing xfonts-75dpi (for some reason I'm going to call dumb) fixed it. |
| 08:03.49 | icesword | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.57 | jim | but you don't qualify. |
| 08:03.59 | jim | you can learn. |
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| 08:04.04 | prolix_ | jim: i'm saying that a little humility would be nice, but is definitely not expected if to get to where you are now, you had to endure times like these in my position. |
| 08:04.21 | Penix | mazzanet: was that with a rebate or something? |
| 08:05.17 | jim | prolix_: so are you saying you're not willing to endure them? |
| 08:05.38 | mazzanet | Penix: they retail for $458, i'm good mates with the local store manager though |
| 08:05.42 | prolix_ | jim: i will be here until i know this system like the back of my hand |
| 08:05.48 | icesword | someone plz? |
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| 08:05.55 | mazzanet | Penix: msy have them for $459 |
| 08:06.13 | jim | that's what I like to hear... |
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| 08:06.40 | jim | so, we're back to: have you tried to rebuild the solution using the docs? |
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| 08:06.52 | jim | you get a lot of benefit out of doing so |
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| 08:07.24 | niklas- | What kernel should i use for an Opteron 1212 CPU, when using 32 bit debian? The -k7 or -i686 kernel image? |
| 08:07.38 | prolix_ | jim: i've found that the more and more i use a command and it's corresponding man that more and more of it makes sense after each use. and to answer your question, yes, i have a man find window open as we speak. |
| 08:07.39 | jim | your helpers will also gain benefit and you will gain more as a result of that |
| 08:08.09 | dondelelcaro | prolix_: you may actually find info find; to be more clear than the manpage. |
| 08:08.16 | dondelelcaro | (but most stuff is in the manpage) |
| 08:08.21 | jim | cool :) so, take a look at the one-liner and try to see how the docs express the pieces |
| 08:08.35 | prolix_ | jim: i'm looking forward to the day when i'm an apt pupil who has poignant questions and even a little recompense for the assistance given me, but until then, i'm a bumbling, blubbering idiot. |
| 08:08.47 | prolix_ | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 08:08.51 | dondelelcaro | prolix_: you're far from an idiot if you're looking at the documentation |
| 08:08.51 | jim | I didn't say that :P |
| 08:09.00 | jim | ditto. |
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| 08:09.01 | prolix_ | jim: will do. :) |
| 08:09.27 | prolix_ | dondelelcaro: thank you, but i've barely scratched the surface |
| 08:09.29 | jim | the thing is, what you're doing now is -true- participation |
| 08:09.59 | jim | you are meeting the mind of the person helping you. |
| 08:10.50 | prolix_ | jim: and i'm eternally grateful for those beneficent souls who find it within themselves to assist someone with such basic questions/concerns |
| 08:11.19 | prolix_ | with that said, thank you, jim; and thank you dondelelcaro |
| 08:11.22 | jim | find isn't all that basic :) it's this swiss army everything |
| 08:12.34 | dondelelcaro | yeah; there's not a whole lot that you'd want to do that combinations of find+xargs can't do |
| 08:12.52 | dondelelcaro | (and odds are you'll never stop refering to its documentation because it has *that* many optoins) |
| 08:13.14 | dondelelcaro | though once you really understand how to use -prune, consider yourself knowledgeable in find. |
| 08:13.24 | enouf | niklas-: should've done echo s; echo u; echo b ;-) |
| 08:14.00 | jim | and -o |
| 08:14.08 | enouf | si |
| 08:14.09 | jim | O |
| 08:14.19 | prolix_ | dondelelcaro: i'm pretty much stoked that my machine hasn't burst into flames yet. knowledgeable is a long ways away for me |
| 08:14.23 | jim | I've never gotten -prune to work for me |
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| 08:14.45 | prolix_ | but i'm willing to put in the time. it seems to be well worth the effort. |
| 08:15.04 | Crypticfortune | prolix_: if it does burst into flames, please remember to use reportbug, and take a picture ;) |
| 08:15.14 | jim | (so in this interaction I got to provide some additional info AND have an attitude :) |
| 08:15.19 | enouf | prolix_: just a fwiw, and a disclaimer; its very possible the idiot i refer to stole it from someone else .. so, whomever wrote it get's an a+ :-P |
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| 08:15.37 | prolix_ | Crypticfortune: ha. of course! |
| 08:15.40 | icesword | enouf, :( |
| 08:15.57 | enouf | icesword: i was off dropping a boa, k? |
| 08:16.04 | icesword | er |
| 08:16.16 | prolix_ | enouf: thank you kindly for the working example. it's an invaluable learning tool |
| 08:16.16 | icesword | enouf, http://bayimg.com/GAJdIAaBe,have a look at this,plz,and you see under verifycode there are 5s,and 2s,how can i tell what does they mean?i am opening a mdb ,database file |
| 08:16.48 | enouf | icesword: mdf is a building material, i don't do email ... (and wtf are your spaces!!) |
| 08:17.21 | icesword | just go and have a look at that page |
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| 08:25.56 | mazzanet | watches debian install |
| 08:26.24 | needhelp | i have a dns server using bind, and dhcp server on a debian machine in a local area network setting.. i'm about to migrate the dns and dhcp to another server because the existing server array is breaking down.. i tried copying the /etc/dhcpd.conf and /etc/bind to the new server and modify the IP and names accordingly but it still doesn't work |
| 08:26.27 | niklas- | enouf: well the disk was crashed and already mounted as read only ;) |
| 08:26.28 | needhelp | any advises? |
| 08:27.07 | jim | no, not until you say more about exactly how it "doesn't work" |
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| 08:29.01 | needhelp | i got the new dhcpd and named to run.. and i use one of the computer within the network to refresh network to get an ip from the dhcp server..but it failed |
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| 08:29.25 | needhelp | seems like there is no dhcp offer |
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| 08:30.03 | jim | could you turn "seems like" into "I'm absolutely sure"? |
| 08:30.22 | liable | and is the dhcpd running? |
| 08:30.23 | jim | are you watching the log? |
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| 08:40.33 | mazzanet | http://mazzanet.id.au/storage/eeepc_debian.jpg |
| 08:43.20 | icesword | ahh,base install or net installã |
| 08:43.56 | mazzanet | net |
| 08:44.07 | mazzanet | as i do not have a usb cd drive |
| 08:44.21 | Penix | mazzanet: bah. I only just managed to convince myself I don't need one. that doesn't help ;) |
| 08:44.25 | icesword | i see,what source you use? |
| 08:44.32 | Penix | so tempting |
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| 08:44.39 | mazzanet | icesword: lenny |
| 08:44.48 | liable | mazzanet: wanna test a wireless installer? |
| 08:44.48 | icesword | no i mean,the repos? |
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| 08:45.12 | mazzanet | icesword: how do you mean? |
| 08:45.19 | icesword | that is wireless,it is cool, |
| 08:45.35 | pngwn | mazzanet, there's #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net and #eeepc on this network |
| 08:45.36 | icesword | i mean which site you choose to download the files |
| 08:45.52 | mazzanet | standard debian mirror? |
| 08:46.06 | mazzanet | liable: yeah sure, currently waiting on base packages to install |
| 08:46.20 | mazzanet | icesword: it's normal x86, nothing odd |
| 08:46.27 | liable | icesword: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
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| 08:47.31 | liable | mazzanet: foomagic.org/eeepc/installer/debian-eeepc.img md5sum 58f285541121ad5f9d86a5f7dd4bbce6 |
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| 08:47.44 | mazzanet | oh right, full installer |
| 08:47.54 | liable | mazzanet: will only work on open or wep network, i need some testers for it. |
| 08:47.55 | icesword | mazzanet, no ,i mean netinstall is painfully slow,you choose which site as your source,i mean which site you netinstall from? |
| 08:47.57 | icesword | and |
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| 08:48.10 | mazzanet | icesword: au mirror |
| 08:48.18 | mazzanet | ie. local |
| 08:48.26 | wireddd | heh, the acid 3 test crashes konqueror for me |
| 08:48.27 | icesword | liable, that is laptop shipped with debian,right,how does it cost |
| 08:48.34 | delcoyote | hi |
| 08:48.44 | liable | icesword: say again. |
| 08:48.46 | mazzanet | icesword: no, it ships with either winxp or linux |
| 08:48.52 | mazzanet | where linux is a hacked up distro of xandros |
| 08:49.00 | liable | icesword: it ships with a version of xandros |
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| 08:49.24 | mazzanet | liable: i don't feel like downloading 749 packages again :P |
| 08:49.28 | cedric3 | hi i have a probleme my resolv.conf is automatiquely update (modify) but i don't want i want the file not update by the dhcp i see on other distribution i write on network file peerdns=no but on debian i don't know |
| 08:49.37 | liable | mazzanet: fooey |
| 08:50.51 | mazzanet | which reminds me |
| 08:50.58 | wireddd | crosses fingers that nothing is horribly broken in unstable right now |
| 08:51.00 | mazzanet | i wonder what kernel version this is going to install |
| 08:51.53 | icesword | liable, what is xandros |
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| 08:52.04 | cedric3 | nobody have any idea :-( |
| 08:52.09 | icesword | mazzanet, you don't need to do a netinstall,really |
| 08:52.14 | liable | icesword: a linux distro based on debian |
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| 08:52.33 | icesword | i am sure some guys do know how to install debian through a lot of ways |
| 08:52.44 | icesword | liable, i see |
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| 08:52.59 | mazzanet | i don't have a usb cd drive |
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| 08:53.35 | Penix | so, you can install from a standard d-i now? |
| 08:53.54 | mazzanet | Penix: a 'special' installer has been done up |
| 08:54.03 | mazzanet | though liable could probably tell you more about that |
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| 08:54.20 | liable | Penix: you can use a hd-media kernel, but you need the ethernet modules for the installed kernel after |
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| 08:56.48 | sauvin | can't get skype video working with debian etch |
| 08:57.07 | Phlogi_ | I want to change my lenny/sid debian server to utf8, is there a good guide for doing this? |
| 08:57.42 | enouf | cedric3: either man dhcpd-bin; or perhaps make that file immutable (chmod it) .. hrm; is dhcpd-bin valid? -R Prevents dhcpcd from replacing /etc/resolv.conf or using resolvconf |
| 08:59.01 | enouf | icesword: <CC>.wikipedia.org is a wonderful site ;-) CC == Country Code |
| 08:59.06 | rupert | hello.. what package do i need to install for gd because im getting this configure: error: Could not find gd.h or libgd.a/libgd.so in /usr/local. Make sure GD 2.0.16 or higher is compiled before calling configure. |
| 08:59.21 | cedric3 | enouf : i see the tool resolvonf i have not the man dhcpd-bin i install now |
| 08:59.27 | Penix | rupert: apt-cache search libgd |
| 08:59.53 | rupert | Penix: i have ii libgd2-xpm 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-1 GD Graphics Library version 2 installed already |
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| 08:59.57 | Penix | rupert: yes, and? |
| 09:00.03 | enouf | dhcpcd: /sbin/dhcpcd-bin |
| 09:00.04 | Penix | rupert: install the dev package |
| 09:00.12 | icesword | enouf, okay,hope cn.wikipedia.org is not down?it is lucky you still remember me |
| 09:00.32 | enouf | i hope not either ;-) |
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| 09:01.37 | mazzanet | ah poo |
| 09:01.43 | mazzanet | ran out of disk space on a parition |
| 09:02.10 | rupert | Penix: just installed.. but where can i find libgd.so ? |
| 09:02.12 | mazzanet | rule 1: don't let the installer auto partition for / and /home |
| 09:02.13 | Phlogi_ | I want to change my lenny/sid debian server to utf8, is there a good guide for doing this? |
| 09:02.20 | mazzanet | liable: i guess i'm using your installer now :P |
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| 09:02.23 | icesword | hehe,it is zh.wikipedia.org |
| 09:02.32 | enouf | wow, hehe |
| 09:02.35 | Penix | rupert: /usr/lib/libgd.so.2 |
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| 09:02.56 | rupert | Penix: saw it.. thanks |
| 09:02.57 | icesword | oh,damn,it is down for me,not for google |
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| 09:03.43 | enouf | liable: and Penix not sure if this is applicable, but i know kmuto has an image for eeepc |
| 09:04.16 | Penix | damn it. $500 is so close to disappearing from my bank account |
| 09:04.31 | Penix | wipes the sweat off his forehead |
| 09:04.37 | enouf | Phlogi_: i saw something, maybe outdated, one second |
| 09:05.04 | Phlogi_ | I'm wondering which apps need some seperate tweaking |
| 09:05.19 | liable | enouf: oh. didnt know that. |
| 09:05.29 | Penix | Phlogi_: your locale? |
| 09:05.35 | enouf | Phlogi_: wow, 2004 .. so, a lot might (is) be outdated http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html |
| 09:05.36 | cedric3 | enouf : thanks for your help resolvconf it's very good ;) |
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| 09:05.46 | enouf | ;-) |
| 09:06.41 | Nicks | :) |
| 09:07.22 | Phlogi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.23 | Phlogi_ | hmm |
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| 09:07.42 | liable | Penix: great little machine if you travel a lot |
| 09:07.48 | icesword | the great google almost can see any sites,that is damn great |
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| 09:08.15 | Phlogi_ | what should be in /etc/environment? |
| 09:08.29 | icesword | but some sites like to block ip |
| 09:08.32 | enouf | !locales |
| 09:08.33 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 09:08.53 | enouf | hrm, wonder what etch and later do |
| 09:09.35 | enouf | 'locale' in shell prints out info |
| 09:10.18 | liable | Penix: you got me on ignore you bastard? |
| 09:10.41 | liable | mazzanet: be patient, my upstream blows chunks ;) |
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| 09:11.20 | Nicks | i have some problems with FFmpeg, FFmpeg-PHP, Lame, Libogg, Libvorbis, FLVtool2, Mplayer, Mencoder, AMR Installation ... can you help me pleaaase... |
| 09:11.23 | liable | enouf: wheres his eee image? |
| 09:11.33 | liable | i cant find it |
| 09:11.43 | enouf | http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/ |
| 09:11.57 | enouf | Wed, 30 Jan 2008 i386/amd64 d-i images for Etch, kernel version 2.6.24 plus firmware, firt release version Some of you know, Eee PC was released at Japan also. My IRC friend Yamamoto asked me to build Etch installer with using 2.6.24 and atl2 driver for that machines. Today I release first version of it. This is very early version. * ported Linux kernel 2.6.24 from Debian unstable version |
| 09:11.58 | liable | ta |
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| 09:12.35 | liable | holy shit, he's got a wpasupp installer. |
| 09:12.45 | enouf | liable: O_o |
| 09:13.07 | mazzanet | liable: i noticed |
| 09:13.09 | enouf | i saw you over on oftc.net asking in d-boot about that :-p |
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| 09:13.17 | liable | ya |
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| 09:15.05 | jamesbew | hi all |
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| 09:15.10 | smhar | is there something similar to tab completion for history commands in bash? |
| 09:15.23 | jamesbew | !command |
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| 09:16.33 | jamesbew | umm, i've never tab completion |
| 09:16.38 | jamesbew | in bash anyway |
| 09:16.54 | smhar | I mean I have entered a ling command line yesterday.. and instead of going up/down with arrow keys searching ... can I type the first few letters and have a list of similar commands entered |
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| 09:17.31 | jamesbew | why not use grep |
| 09:17.40 | jamesbew | history | grep 'command' |
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| 09:17.52 | smhar | but grep what? |
| 09:18.00 | smhar | what file? |
| 09:18.25 | jamesbew | that command is pipping history into grep |
| 09:18.30 | jamesbew | give it a go |
| 09:18.40 | Justnick | i have some problems with FFmpeg, FFmpeg-PHP, Lame, Libogg, Libvorbis, FLVtool2, Mplayer, Mencoder, AMR Installation ... can you help me pleaaase... |
| 09:18.58 | jamesbew | atp-get install -f |
| 09:19.21 | smhar | jamesbew: works fine .. thank you |
| 09:19.33 | enouf | smhar: ctrl-r |
| 09:20.02 | smhar | I am having problems with openoffice crashing on me... will it be solved if I reinstall it? how? |
| 09:20.07 | mazzanet | liable: what's the current kernel version in lenny? |
| 09:20.15 | liable | mazzanet: 2.6.22-3 |
| 09:20.25 | enouf | still ? |
| 09:20.29 | Penix | liable: heh. nah. just wandering off frequently |
| 09:20.47 | liable | mazzanet: 2.6.24 seems to be in the works, cause the d-i subversion has just upgraded to it. |
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| 09:21.17 | Penix | need to get rid of a few systems that are taking up more space than they're worth |
| 09:21.21 | liable | Penix: cool, i was wondering when i was drunk and abused you ;) |
| 09:21.27 | Penix | still haven't got a laptop after all these years too |
| 09:21.50 | jamesbew | Does anyone know lots about ip and routing??? I have one NIC spewing "Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 09:21.55 | Phlogi_ | what is newer sarge or etch? |
| 09:21.55 | smhar | enouf: how can I then cycle through the commands? |
| 09:22.00 | Penix | Phlogi_: etch |
| 09:22.11 | enouf | smhar: up/down |
| 09:22.15 | vanksi | anyone here using backuppc with a removable storage? |
| 09:22.15 | Penix | Phlogi_: sarge is the old, previous stable release |
| 09:22.25 | mazzanet | liable: using your installer now |
| 09:22.31 | Penix | Justnick: please don't pm me |
| 09:22.41 | liable | mazzanet: wireless? |
| 09:23.06 | Justnick | But i need some help with the ffmpeg.. |
| 09:23.07 | Penix | Justnick: again, don't private msg me |
| 09:23.14 | liable | please try wireless if you can set your ap to wep momentarily |
| 09:23.16 | Penix | Justnick: then ask here |
| 09:23.24 | Justnick | can i past link ? |
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| 09:23.31 | smhar | enouf: up/down quits the ctrl-r mode |
| 09:23.39 | enouf | Justnick: it's not good netiquette to PM people without their permission |
| 09:23.52 | Penix | Justnick: you still haven't actually explained your problem at all |
| 09:23.55 | Justnick | i tried to install this on my box : http://linux.justinhartman.com/FFmpeg,_FFmpeg-PHP,_Lame,_Libogg,_Libvorbis,_FLVtool2,_Mplayer,_Mencoder,_AMR_Installation |
| 09:23.56 | enouf | smhar: oh, use > .. then up/down |
| 09:24.10 | enouf | er crap |
| 09:24.16 | enouf | smhar: oh, use -> .. then up/down |
| 09:24.30 | enouf | right/left |
| 09:24.33 | Justnick | and when i reach this step ./configure --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libogg --enable-libvorbis --disable-mmx --enable-shared --enable-amr-nb |
| 09:24.37 | enouf | side/side |
| 09:24.38 | Phlogi_ | why is there no xdebug debian package? :-p |
| 09:24.47 | mazzanet | liable: can only test open |
| 09:25.01 | liable | mazzanet: thats cool too. |
| 09:25.13 | liable | i just need to see if wireless generally works |
| 09:25.30 | jamesbew | Does anyone know lots about ip and routing??? I have one NIC spewing "Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 09:25.34 | liable | mazzanet: netcfg's scan function needs work, so you'll need to enter the essid |
| 09:25.38 | Penix | Justnick: is there a reason why you're installing ffmpeg from source? |
| 09:25.41 | Justnick | i receive an errorr . --enable0libogg and --enable-arm-nb not found... so i had to remove that options |
| 09:25.48 | enouf | smhar: history | grep command might be the only way - note; each xterm(s) {or tabs} will have their own history |
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| 09:25.56 | enouf | as noted above from another |
| 09:26.33 | mazzanet | liable: are you using the same madwifi source as the one on the debian wiki? |
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| 09:26.48 | Penix | Justnick: what's wrong with apt-get install ffmpeg? |
| 09:27.40 | jamesbew | Justnick: I'd use the packaged version if i were you, what are you trying to achieve by compiling it yourself?? |
| 09:27.41 | Justnick | all worked fine but the php is not loading the extension .so |
| 09:27.54 | liable | mazzanet: nope, I have repackaged the latest tarball from madwifi, its svn 3366 with the patched hal |
| 09:28.12 | Justnick | so the php is not loading extension=ffmpeg.so .. |
| 09:28.28 | Penix | Justnick: are you telling the php extension where the ffmpeg lib file is? |
| 09:28.44 | Justnick | yes i am |
| 09:28.55 | Penix | then installing from source won't help |
| 09:29.03 | mazzanet | wee installing core packages |
| 09:29.08 | Penix | Justnick: are they both installed to the same prefix? |
| 09:29.11 | mazzanet | liable: differences? |
| 09:29.36 | liable | mazzanet: that installer will add the eeepc.debian.net repo which has that source package. I am hoping to get modules included soon, but it will get all deps for madwifi-eeepc-source, so after install you can m-a a-i madwifi-eeepc-source and it should all work |
| 09:29.40 | Justnick | i don't understand the question. |
| 09:29.59 | liable | mazzanet: 800 commits in the madwifi source ;) |
| 09:30.04 | Penix | !info ffmpeg-php etch |
| 09:30.13 | Penix | wha... |
| 09:30.22 | mazzanet | heh |
| 09:30.22 | Penix | !info ffmpeg-php |
| 09:30.26 | Penix | bah |
| 09:30.32 | Penix | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/ffmpeg-php/ |
| 09:30.38 | enouf | !botsnack |
| 09:30.39 | dpkg | enouf: aw, gee |
| 09:30.42 | Penix | that's why |
| 09:30.46 | smhar | I am having problems with openoffice crashing on me... will it be solved if I reinstall it? how? apt-get install --force-yes openoffice doesn't work |
| 09:30.47 | enouf | welp, she's alive |
| 09:31.07 | liable | mazzanet: i initially built against the first madwifi for the installer, and it required going to vt2 and using iwconfig to set up wireless. from all accounts, this bersion is much better. |
| 09:31.10 | Penix | Justnick: there are official packages of php5-ffmpeg and ffmpeg. use them |
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| 09:31.22 | Justnick | ok i will |
| 09:31.52 | Justnick | how do i remove the old install ? .. |
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| 09:32.01 | liable | mazzanet: can associate? |
| 09:32.04 | Justnick | just rm -rf all ? |
| 09:32.05 | Penix | Justnick: run make uninstall from within the source tree |
| 09:32.14 | Justnick | OK i will |
| 09:32.35 | enouf | smhar: i never used oprnoffice, see #openoffice.org perhaps - review your log files for crash info |
| 09:33.14 | jamesbew | Does anyone know a bit about ip and routing??? I have one NIC spewing "Destination Host Unreachable" |
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| 09:33.56 | mazzanet | liable: still installing! |
| 09:33.57 | enouf | from whence doth it speweth forth? |
| 09:34.09 | liable | mazzanet: ya, but over wireless or ethernet? |
| 09:34.14 | mazzanet | eth |
| 09:34.18 | liable | bah |
| 09:34.33 | liable | do it over wireless! |
| 09:34.41 | mazzanet | it did however bother to ask me what interface to use |
| 09:35.02 | liable | thats at least promising |
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| 09:37.01 | Justnick | the installation ended with : Installing shared extensions: /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/ |
| 09:37.11 | Justnick | what do i add in the php.ini ? |
| 09:37.29 | Justnick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:40.45 | mazzanet | liable: should i install desktop environment packages? |
| 09:41.10 | icesword | !gnome |
| 09:41.10 | dpkg | [gnome] a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status> |
| 09:41.29 | mazzanet | as in, check 'desktop environment' in the installer |
| 09:41.29 | icesword | !xorg |
| 09:41.29 | dpkg | i heard xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
| 09:41.39 | liable | mazzanet: i wouldnt on the ee. go base install and install stuff after boot. xfce is my choice for the eee, or at least just install the *-core desktop package. |
| 09:41.49 | mazzanet | because last time it wanted 700 odd packages |
| 09:41.54 | mazzanet | yeah i think i might do that |
| 09:42.17 | liable | mazzanet: desktop installes both kde and gnome, no wonder you ran out of room ;) |
| 09:42.26 | mazzanet | oh lovely |
| 09:42.30 | mazzanet | :P |
| 09:42.41 | mazzanet | is there a list somewhere of what packages each 'category' installs? |
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| 09:42.54 | mazzanet | heh. a whole 140 packages this time |
| 09:43.01 | liable | hands over to enouf |
| 09:43.10 | liable | whats that taskel switch again? |
| 09:43.14 | wfq | hi guys |
| 09:43.46 | mazzanet | and thus i conclude 'desktop environment' installed 709 packages. |
| 09:43.49 | mazzanet | how lovely |
| 09:43.55 | wfq | does anyone know why my firefox in consuming the 90% of my memory? |
| 09:44.07 | wfq | my laptop is exausted |
| 09:44.14 | liable | !funny |
| 09:44.14 | dpkg | i heard funny is Bug report #41459; xmms: xmms eats my memory and finds it tasty. http://members.lycos.co.uk/ukrock/individual_pages/various/argentina-1.jpg |
| 09:44.24 | liable | s/xmms/firefox/ |
| 09:44.26 | liable | :) |
| 09:44.35 | mazzanet | liable: `tasksel --task-packages desktop` |
| 09:44.36 | mazzanet | :P |
| 09:45.05 | liable | thats the one.. |
| 09:45.34 | Justnick | Penix still there? |
| 09:47.41 | mazzanet | liable: ifconfig equiv available during installer? |
| 09:47.50 | liable | mazzanet: nope |
| 09:48.00 | liable | mazzanet: iwconfig is though |
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| 09:48.10 | liable | netcfg looks after that |
| 09:48.12 | wfq | hi liable |
| 09:48.23 | liable | hello |
| 09:48.29 | mazzanet | liable: ath0 and wifi0 show in /proc/net/dev too |
| 09:48.49 | wfq | could you please supply me the url that you pasted about the firefox issue before. I had to kill the X becuase my laptop was gone |
| 09:49.05 | liable | mazzanet: good to see its at least there. would have been great if you could have installed over wireless though |
| 09:49.21 | jamesbew | Does anyone know why I have one NIC spewing "Destination Host Unreachable"? |
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| 09:49.47 | wfq | liable? |
| 09:49.47 | liable | wfq: sorry, it wasn't a helpfull url. firefox is known to be a memory hog. best you can do is not leave it running for days with lots of tabs open. |
| 09:50.16 | wfq | uffffffffff but I just used it since half an houre before |
| 09:50.32 | liable | eek, firefox or iceweasel? |
| 09:50.45 | liable | cause we dont support firefox here. |
| 09:50.49 | icesword | use text based one,hahahah |
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| 09:51.34 | wfq | liable iceweasel |
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| 09:52.08 | liable | wfq: hmm, i havent seen it do that so quickly. file a bug. |
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| 09:53.00 | wfq | well know it is going better once I killed the X but I think should check something else because sometime it is horrible |
| 09:53.04 | enouf | jamesbew: from whence doth it speweth forth? |
| 09:53.20 | Penix | Justnick: don't ctcp anything me |
| 09:53.35 | jamesbew | enouf: from the depths of the eth1 relm |
| 09:53.35 | enouf | wow |
| 09:53.47 | ronr | any idea on when FF 3 will enter debian stable (once FF 3 is stable) (current iceweasel in stable is sooooo slow) |
| 09:53.54 | enouf | jamesbew: but which log or ... |
| 09:54.01 | Penix | ronr: your answered your own question |
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| 09:54.04 | Penix | s/your/you/ |
| 09:54.15 | jamesbew | enouf: ping -I eth1 10.10.10.1 |
| 09:54.23 | ronr | Penix: immediately? |
| 09:54.39 | enouf | jamesbew: "/msg dpkg interfaces" |
| 09:54.52 | jim | ronr: etch won't ever get any new versions |
| 09:55.01 | enouf | jamesbew: man resolv.conf |
| 09:55.02 | Penix | ronr: once its released and it goes through the usual process anything else does |
| 09:55.12 | Penix | oh, wait. you said stable |
| 09:55.24 | wfq | which browser do you use to use guys in linux? |
| 09:55.27 | enouf | jamesbew: man host<tab><tab> |
| 09:55.38 | jim | what guys do you want to use?! |
| 09:55.42 | jamesbew | enouf: i don't see how it can be a DNS problem as i've given it an IP address |
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| 09:56.22 | jamesbew | enouf: thanks anyway |
| 09:56.26 | ronr | Penix: yeah... stable |
| 09:56.59 | Penix | ronr: never. stable doesn't change. firefox/iceweasel 3 will be in stable when lenny is released |
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| 09:57.05 | wfq | jim, should I laugh :) |
| 09:57.37 | jamesbew | go for it, i am |
| 09:57.40 | ronr | Penix: ok, maybe it'll get into backports |
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| 09:57.50 | enouf | jamesbew: does route show a route -n for that address? |
| 09:57.50 | Penix | most likely |
| 09:57.55 | enouf | er |
| 09:58.01 | enouf | jamesbew: does route -n show a route for that address? |
| 09:58.02 | jamesbew | enouf: yes |
| 09:58.20 | jim | wfq: maybe you should rephrase :) |
| 09:58.30 | enouf | !z25 |
| 09:58.30 | dpkg | it has been said that z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 09:58.41 | wfq | jim, yes, definitely, I should laugh. Thanks jim |
| 09:58.42 | enouf | is there an eth1 in there ^ |
| 09:58.57 | enouf | jamesbew: i suck ass at networking issues |
| 09:59.03 | jamesbew | enouf: i need to debug the kernel routing tables |
| 09:59.17 | enouf | ok, get busy :-P |
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| 09:59.42 | ben_goodger | hello |
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| 09:59.51 | jamesbew | enouf: i've been messing around with ip and all that exists under that umbrella |
| 10:00.10 | enouf | wfq: i use link2 -g (xlinks2) |
| 10:00.12 | ben_goodger | my load average is reported as 22.08 |
| 10:00.13 | jamesbew | enouf: but can't see any errors |
| 10:00.16 | ben_goodger | gnome-system-monitor refuses to load |
| 10:00.18 | ben_goodger | how do I see which are the offending processes? |
| 10:00.26 | liable | top/htop |
| 10:00.37 | ben_goodger | thank you |
| 10:00.37 | enouf | jamesbew: see my 'suck' reference ;-) |
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| 10:00.55 | wfq | enoug: thanks |
| 10:01.26 | jamesbew | enouf: maybe theres a #network channel |
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| 10:01.57 | jim | #networking, #netfilter I think are both here |
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| 10:02.28 | Erik1 | I'm installing etch2 on my new pc: it has AMD athlon 64 X2 dual core processor. which kernel version to choose ? |
| 10:02.38 | SlayerXP | Erik1: k8-smp |
| 10:02.40 | Marenz_ | hi there |
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| 10:03.30 | enouf | jamesbew: yes, #networking IIRC |
| 10:03.35 | azeem | Erik1: i386 or amd64 |
| 10:03.36 | Erik1 | SlayerXP: it gives me: kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp. that the one ? |
| 10:04.00 | jim | or k7 will work too; note tho, you might want to stick with i386 overall (for most non-kernel stuff) |
| 10:04.17 | enouf | jamesbew: try ##linux ##linux-help , etc too .. maybe ##kernel if kernel specific |
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| 10:04.37 | jamesbew | enouf: ta' |
| 10:05.23 | mazzanet | liable: see other chan |
| 10:05.24 | cedric3 | hi all i use bind i want to resolv local dns name with my dns local and if my dns not resolv forward to dns extern but actually if i use forwarders dns extern the resolv local not work only extern resolv |
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| 10:06.20 | jim | try it without the forwarding |
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| 10:07.14 | cedric3 | jim : forwarders forward all requete dns i want to resolv the ip of my network and if i can't i send to the dns extern |
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| 10:07.44 | jim | I'm saying -don't- forward. |
| 10:07.57 | jim | let the dns server figure out what to do with the names |
| 10:08.39 | cedric3 | jim : if i not use forwarders ok now i can only resolv the internal ip on my network |
| 10:09.06 | jim | so you've tested that, and that's the result you get? |
| 10:09.30 | jintxo | cedric3, you will have to "lie" in your DNS config and tell bind that it is the "authorative" server for your domain. then it will use it's local DB for resolving your own domain stuff and go to forwarders for the rest. I have a similar setup. |
| 10:09.45 | cedric3 | jim, : yes ** server can't find www/google.fr: SERVFAIL |
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| 10:10.17 | jim | cedric3: www/google.fr isn't a domain name |
| 10:10.36 | cedric3 | jim, : sorry ** server can't find www.google.fr: SERVFAIL |
| 10:11.07 | jim | how does my dns work then?! |
| 10:11.24 | jim | because I'm doing -exactly- what you're saying |
| 10:11.52 | jim | but I'm not forwarding to any specific dns server |
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| 10:13.47 | jim | what I would suggest is this: back up your zone files, purge and reinstall bind, then change the config just enough to get your zones back |
| 10:13.51 | cedric3 | jim : jintxo : http://pastebin.com/m799da2fa you can see my named.conf |
| 10:14.33 | cedric3 | jintxo : ok but how i can forwarders for the rest |
| 10:14.47 | jintxo | cedric3, I can paste you my named.conf, named.conf.options and named.conf.local and my local zone definition if you want to have a look at my setup |
| 10:14.51 | jim | I'm considering your named.conf invalid since when you reinstall bind it will operate as a caching-only dns |
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| 10:15.00 | cedric3 | jintxo : yes thanks |
| 10:15.05 | jintxo | give me a second |
| 10:15.12 | cedric3 | ok thanks |
| 10:15.22 | cedric3 | jim : my named.conf is invalid ? |
| 10:15.56 | jim | I think of it as invalid because it's not working |
| 10:16.15 | jintxo | http://www.alberguinn.com/named.conf , http://www.alberguinn.com/named.conf.local , http://www.alberguinn.com/named.conf.options http://www.alberguinn.com/alberguinn.com |
| 10:16.18 | jintxo | try these links |
| 10:16.28 | cedric3 | jim : i see that now |
| 10:16.35 | jim | you might consider going back to the original config, then get your zones goinb |
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| 10:17.26 | meeero | can anyone tell me what this means ? "Mar 27 11:11:44 bplaced kernel: ata2: spurious interrupt (irq_stat 0x8 active_tag -84148995 sactive 0x7ffffefe)" |
| 10:17.56 | jim | the default install of bind provides a caching-only dns, that talks to the root servers (instead of using another dns like an ISP's) |
| 10:18.31 | jim | what I think you can use, is a caching-only dns (i.e., the default) plus support for your zones |
| 10:18.51 | cedric3 | jintxo : you use on named.conf.options file forwarder on other dns external |
| 10:19.02 | cedric3 | jim : i see that now |
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| 10:19.30 | jintxo | cedric3, yes. since alberguinn.com is of type "master" it will resolv with my local zone definition and all te rest go to frowarders and get cached for later. |
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| 10:20.14 | jintxo | cedric3, be careful in your local zone definition, because if it is not 100% valid, bind will ignore that zone when starting up, that may be your problem... |
| 10:22.24 | jintxo | BTW, there is a way to start up bind in "debug" mode and see in the log what zones it loads and what zones it doesn't load. I had that problem, my zone was missing something, so bind would just ignore it and try to resolve my domain from the forwarders. |
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| 10:22.52 | jim_p | hi ! |
| 10:22.58 | jim_p | !fuse |
| 10:22.59 | dpkg | from memory, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 10:23.17 | tarzeau | jintxo: it's got log files in /var/log ? |
| 10:23.18 | jim_p | !groups |
| 10:23.18 | dpkg | groups is, like, file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
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| 10:23.49 | cedric3 | when i use dig www.google.fr it not work and i see it's send a request only on my local dns not external i modify the file bind.option but nothink |
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| 10:24.13 | jintxo | tarzeau, hm... now that you mention, I thinkg I used named -d X -f and looked at the console, not the logs. this was years ago :-) |
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| 10:27.27 | cedric3 | jintxo : i see when i start named -d X-f /etc/bind/named.conf.options:4: syntax error near 'querylog' |
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| 10:28.00 | jintxo | cedric3, don't copy and paste my config. the querylog thing is only for bind9 I believe, ignore that part |
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| 10:28.13 | cedric3 | jintxo : i use bind9 |
| 10:28.18 | jim | nite; I'm out |
| 10:28.41 | jintxo | cedric3, comment out the querylog part, I use that for creating graphs. don't use it for now, first get the basics. |
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| 10:29.52 | Yarcanox | hi. I installed linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 10:29.58 | Yarcanox | where can I find the kernel sources now? |
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| 10:30.04 | Yarcanox | the nvidia installer wants me to specify the path to it |
| 10:30.20 | cedric3 | jintxo : i comment this line and restart the command i see on the log sysquery: findns error (SERVFAIL) on ? when i want to resolv www.google.fr |
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| 10:32.38 | Coke | Is there a way to get an X prompt for running remote commands using ssh -X? |
| 10:33.06 | jintxo | cedric3, your local zone resolvs OK? (first things first :-) |
| 10:33.34 | cedric3 | jintxo : yes on local it work |
| 10:33.38 | Coke | Uhm, an X prompt for the key passphrase that is. |
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| 10:34.07 | jintxo | cedric3, OK, and you have valid forwarders in named.conf.options? |
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| 10:35.19 | cedric3 | jintxo : yes i have forwarders {10.0.0.1 }; |
| 10:35.39 | jintxo | ? that doesn't look like a valid forwarder... |
| 10:35.41 | cedric3 | it's an other dns this dns 10.0.0.1 can solve all other dns extern |
| 10:36.53 | cedric3 | jintxo : on your file i see other ip dns forwarder i can use there if you want |
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| 10:37.37 | jintxo | cedric3, BTW it should be something like "forwarders { 1.2.3.4;};" <--- (you are missing a ";" ater the IP address I believe) |
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| 10:38.59 | cedric3 | jintxo : oupss sorry i modify now |
| 10:39.20 | jintxo | don't forget to restart bind :-) |
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| 10:42.37 | cedric3 | yes i have the same problem |
| 10:42.44 | cedric3 | i have on log sysquery: findns error (SERVFAIL) on ? |
| 10:42.56 | jintxo | cedric3, btw you put a bunch of "#" in your named.conf which shouldn't be there. the way to comment out entries in these files is with "//" not "#" . the named.conf you pasted earlier is incorrect. |
| 10:43.32 | jintxo | remove all of the "#" that you put in there and restart. that should work |
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| 10:43.52 | cedric3 | ok i try now |
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| 10:45.56 | PythonNinja | hi, i've got 3 debian machines.. despite having the exact same public key in .ssh/authorized_keys on both, one of them asks me for a password. openssh-server is the sshd on both |
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| 10:47.04 | cedric3 | jintxo : http://pastebin.com/m417eb3f3 http://pastebin.com/m47d99b49 |
| 10:47.22 | cedric3 | jintxo ; you can see the named.conf and named.conf.option |
| 10:48.43 | jintxo | cedric3, what did I tell you about "#" ? |
| 10:49.10 | cedric3 | jintxo : you see a # i delete all i think i see the file now sorry |
| 10:49.35 | cedric3 | ok i delete this line on the option file sorry |
| 10:50.39 | cedric3 | jintxo ; now i delte the line but the same error strange |
| 10:51.36 | cedric3 | jintxo : when i use nslookup www.google.fr it not work but when i use ping it work |
| 10:51.44 | cedric3 | it's not a cache |
| 10:51.48 | cedric3 | i think |
| 10:52.20 | jintxo | cedric3, and what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ? in other words, what DNS server are you using to resolve www.google.fr ? |
| 10:53.02 | ronr | why isn't icedove 2.0 in backports? (I'm using stable which has 1.5 but I want to use a 2+ extension) |
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| 10:54.40 | cedric3 | jintxo : on resolv.conf i have onlyb one line nameserver 192.168.100.50 for the ping sorry not work |
| 10:54.48 | cedric3 | my local ip |
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| 10:56.09 | berzerka | i am looking for a simple graphical scheduler app with a reminder (desktop notification, maybe email). i don't want a full-fletched email/calendar/scheduler suite like e.g. evolution, but a simple app only for the scheduler stuff. suggestions? |
| 10:56.14 | jintxo | cedric3, so neither ping nor nslookup work? or ping works but nslookup doesn't? |
| 10:56.30 | cedric3 | jintxo : nothink work ping and nslookup not work sorry |
| 10:57.31 | cedric3 | i can see more line on log sysquery: findns error (SERVFAIL) on ? |
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| 10:58.44 | justnick | I have a problem when i try to install ffmpeg |
| 10:58.46 | cedric3 | jintxo : very thanks for the time you give me |
| 10:59.07 | justnick | make install returned : ln: `lib.so.' and `lib.so.' are the same file |
| 10:59.08 | jintxo | cedric3, I would start with your named.conf. you are missing stuff in there. compare your with mine because yours doesn't have the root hints and other "standard" stuff. |
| 10:59.17 | justnick | make: *** [install-lib-shared] Error 1 |
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| 11:00.02 | cedric3 | jintxo : i see your log and copy there now |
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| 11:01.08 | jintxo | cedric3, anyways, by comparing your files with mine you should arrive at a working server. ignore the "logging {}" and "querylog" parts, they are specific to my setup. |
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| 11:03.20 | cedric3 | jintxo, now it work but it not send to my external dns |
| 11:04.02 | cedric3 | jintxo, : now i can make nslookup www.google.fr and a dns local but if i want to add a dns external i want i modyfy where |
| 11:04.16 | jintxo | cedric3, sorry i don't understand. it works OK but is not using your "forwarder" ? what do you mean by "dns external" ? |
| 11:04.21 | cedric3 | jintxo : db.root |
| 11:04.53 | cedric3 | jintxo : yes it forward i think on external dns but not my external dns |
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| 11:05.00 | jintxo | no don't edit db.root, that is the list of root DNS servers on the internet. don't touch :-) |
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| 11:05.14 | cedric3 | ok :) |
| 11:05.44 | cedric3 | normaly it see on the named.option no ? |
| 11:07.01 | jintxo | cedric3, well there's a line in named.conf that says include "/etc/bind/named.conf.options"; , right? that makes it include that file "inside" of named.conf |
| 11:07.10 | cedric3 | jintxo : sorry it work sorry |
| 11:07.25 | cedric3 | jintxo : very very thanks |
| 11:07.28 | jintxo | yup |
| 11:07.36 | cedric3 | jintxo : you are the best of the best very thanks |
| 11:07.47 | jintxo | send me beer :-) |
| 11:08.04 | cedric3 | jintxo : no problem ;) |
| 11:08.57 | cedric3 | jintxo : very good day ;) |
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| 11:10.33 | zeld | hi to all |
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| 11:14.57 | gabunga | hi ALL |
| 11:14.58 | gabunga | my gforge system is not sending anymore e-mails |
| 11:15.00 | gabunga | http://pastebin.org/25623 |
| 11:15.01 | gabunga | hier my log from exim4 MTA |
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| 11:15.03 | XoX | anyone know a very light weight wmv player? |
| 11:15.03 | gabunga | any idea |
| 11:15.05 | gabunga | thanx in advance |
| 11:15.47 | Erik1 | got a dual boot with primary win xp secundary etcht2 grub in MBR on hd0. during boot it says 'Grub bootloader 1.5" or something like that, and it waits for maybe 15 or 20 sec. why so long ? can't I speed up that stage ? |
| 11:17.27 | enouf | Erik1: rootnoverify ? |
| 11:17.46 | Erik1 | ok |
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| 11:30.03 | mhymn | is away: Gone away for now. |
| 11:30.28 | mhymn | is away: Gone away for now. |
| 11:31.03 | mhymn | is away: not |
| 11:31.29 | mhymn | is back. |
| 11:31.35 | liable | !tell mhymn -about away |
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| 11:32.08 | mhymn | liable: so sorry! |
| 11:32.15 | liable | mhymn: no problem |
| 11:32.15 | doudou | !dpkg qmake |
| 11:32.37 | doudou | where do i find qmake, g++ |
| 11:33.05 | doudou | how do i find something that aptitude search cant find |
| 11:33.12 | dimir | the file? |
| 11:33.24 | MoDaX | !find qmake |
| 11:33.30 | doudou | !find qmake |
| 11:33.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'qmake' (5 of 9): (/usr/bin/qmake-qt4) in libdevel/libqt4-dev ;; (/usr/share/cdbs/1/class/qmake.mk) in devel/cdbs ;; (/usr/share/qt3/.qmake.cache) in libdevel/libqt3-mt-dev ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/qmake-qt3) in libdevel/qt-x11-free-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/{libkdevqmakeparser.so.0|libkdevqmakeparser.so.0.0.0}) in kde/kdevelop. |
| 11:34.09 | MoDaX | basically there is qmake-qt3 and qmake-qt4 |
| 11:34.16 | MoDaX | g++ is g++ |
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| 11:35.07 | mazzanet | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.08 | mazzanet | be installed. |
| 11:35.22 | PythonNinja | any ideas why `apt-get build-dep iceweasel && apt-get -b source iceweasel' fails? i'm trying to build firefox proper, but this seems like a logical first step. |
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| 11:36.02 | mazzanet | heh trying to do the same as me PythonNinja :P |
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| 11:36.18 | PythonNinja | mazzanet: whoa trippy, you had any luck? |
| 11:36.28 | doudou | i wanted to see a uml something i dont know enought, i tried aptitude search uml, found bouml, install bouml, but version 2.1, so unstall it, google bouml, found 4.1 is ok, install q3-devel to compile because etch only have 2.1 and bouml 2.1 have not python, now i cant compile because it ask g++ |
| 11:36.51 | mrglinux | i get this error "421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection" when i enter => ftp localhost |
| 11:36.57 | doudou | !find g++ |
| 11:36.58 | MoDaX | PythonNinja, mazzanet: you environment is not clean. get pbuilder and build with it |
| 11:36.59 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'g++' (11): g++ ;; g++-3.3 ;; g++-3.4 ;; g++-4.1 ;; g++-4.1-multilib ;; g++-4.2 ;; g++-4.2-multilib ;; g++-4.3 ;; g++-4.3-multilib ;; g++-multilib ;; pocketpc-g++. |
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| 11:37.24 | mazzanet | PythonNinja: what is iceweasel anyway? |
| 11:37.32 | PythonNinja | debian firefox |
| 11:37.33 | mazzanet | MoDaX: this is a fresh install... |
| 11:37.37 | doudou | aptitude search g++ answers too many lines to read |
| 11:37.37 | mazzanet | oh |
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| 11:37.50 | PythonNinja | mazzanet: mine too, only 3 days old, and i've only built a few applications so far |
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| 11:38.03 | mazzanet | i |
| 11:38.07 | PythonNinja | oops @MoDaX |
| 11:38.08 | mazzanet | i'm on an eeepc :P |
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| 11:38.41 | azeem | mazzanet: the eeepc runs xandros, not debian |
| 11:39.02 | mazzanet | the eeepc run whatever i bloody want it to run |
| 11:39.04 | mazzanet | s |
| 11:39.10 | azeem | ok |
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| 11:39.53 | doudou | aptitude search g++ answers 150 lines, aptitude install g++ install only g++ |
| 11:40.08 | PythonNinja | doudou: apt-get install build essential |
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| 11:40.59 | jelly | the ninja is missing a - |
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| 11:41.17 | PythonNinja | jelly: i'm a what now? |
| 11:41.25 | jelly | build-essential |
| 11:41.30 | PythonNinja | ah, sorry |
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| 11:41.47 | PythonNinja | well... the packages "build" and "essential" might come in handy jelly :P |
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| 11:42.40 | doudou | is there something like bouml, for X ? anyway, bouml does not compile |
| 11:42.53 | doudou | i need qtdial.h |
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| 11:43.21 | doudou | i install build-essential, g++, qt3-dev |
| 11:43.59 | jelly | !tell doudou -about search |
| 11:44.06 | doudou | bouml ask more qt3 packages to compile |
| 11:44.07 | brahman | Good Morning, What is the general opinion with regards to vmware? I am hesitant because of it's proprietary nature... |
| 11:44.12 | doublehp | someone can advise me for a model of Webcam that behaves nicely in dark rooms, and DVB USB receiver ? |
| 11:44.38 | doudou | i would lile to search, but i am not a fakir |
| 11:44.40 | brahman | I dont like that! |
| 11:44.40 | jelly | doudou: use apt-file to find out which package contains that .h file |
| 11:44.56 | doudou | i would prefer to search and resolve this myself you know |
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| 11:45.22 | jelly | brahman: it works |
| 11:45.32 | PythonNinja | doublehp: what makes you think we can help you in here? some kind of group more relevant to webcams might be of use |
| 11:45.45 | jelly | brahman: ... and it's non-free, but you seem to already know that |
| 11:46.20 | doudou | jelly, i never used apt-file, i am not a fakir, and cant invent that, but if there is somewhere explained how to do to find something in general tell me, i only know aptitude search aptitude install |
| 11:46.20 | brahman | jelly: It's a pretty cool piece of kit, which am going to have to start using for my new job, but am not too keen on the proprietary part... |
| 11:46.50 | jelly | doudou: did you read what dpkg told you about "search"? |
| 11:47.29 | jelly | brahman: you could try using qemu or virtualbox-ose |
| 11:47.31 | doudou | !dpkg search |
| 11:47.37 | jelly | doudou: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:47.42 | brahman | was wondering what the general consensus on #debian was as is my distro of choice due to the manifesto... |
| 11:48.11 | doublehp | PythonNinja: if I buy "any" camera said to be good on comparator websites , I have 90% it wont work under Linux. Linux websites dont compare this kind of aspect, they just say which model is supported. People in here buy webcams that work on Linux, and experience everyday if they work fine in dark rooms. |
| 11:48.15 | brahman | * amongst other things... ;-) |
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| 11:49.36 | jelly | doublehp: er, no, people in here discuss Debian. Try #hardware. |
| 11:50.12 | doudou | jelly, ok i did what apt-file search qtextstream.h, no answer, seems bouml does not compile here, can you gave me name of equivalent program for fluxbox? |
| 11:50.31 | jelly | doudou: I have no idea what "bouml" does |
| 11:50.39 | brahman | doublehp: what are you trying to film in dark rooms... hehe |
| 11:50.52 | doudou | jelly, me tto, i only want to draw uml diagrams |
| 11:51.20 | jelly | doudou: sorry, I have no experience with those |
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| 11:51.37 | doudou | jelly, np thanks for apt-file |
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| 11:53.35 | deufrai | hi there, just installed a fresh etch. In the process of setting up iptables, I notice that all iptable logs go to /var/log/messages *as well as* all TTYs |
| 11:53.40 | deufrai | never seen this before |
| 11:54.07 | deufrai | so working on TTY1 to TTY6 is impossible |
| 11:54.16 | deufrai | anyone encountered same stuff ? |
| 11:54.21 | tarzeau | deufrai: check your syslog.conf ? |
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| 11:56.15 | deufrai | tarzeau: don't see anything suspicious in there |
| 11:56.30 | deufrai | I must say this is the only machine showing such behaviour |
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| 11:57.17 | tarzeau | deufrai: did you see this line? # Emergencies are sent to everybody logged in. |
| 11:57.35 | mrglinux | ftp is open and port 21 is viewed in localhost port but i cant connect to ftp with ftp localhost |
| 11:57.48 | mrglinux | i get this error 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 11:58.06 | deufrai | yup, but I assume iptable logs are issued at debug level by default |
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| 11:58.30 | deufrai | tarzeau: but that's a lead, indeed |
| 11:59.24 | deufrai | tarzeau: if this is an emergency broadcast thing, should't I see those lines from a remotely looged session using putty ? |
| 11:59.31 | tarzeau | deufrai: no |
| 11:59.44 | tarzeau | deufrai: if you login with putty, you have a different console, type tty to figure which |
| 11:59.53 | tarzeau | and read the man syslog.conf or the comments in the config file |
| 12:00.42 | deufrai | tarzeau: thanx for the hint. I'll check to see what actual level those logs are issued at |
| 12:02.52 | alfadir | hi, just playing with my new toy.. a Gigabyte P35 motherboard with a E1200. have a esata enclosure. is there any special trix to hotswap them or do one has to use scsiadd ? |
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| 12:06.38 | cirwin | hi everyone, does anyone know what user group I need to put myself back into to run KDE applications (on a gnome desktop) I recently reset my usergroups while trying to fiddle with something else and they haven't worked since. [using debian testing with Linux 2.6.22-3-686] |
| 12:06.49 | cirwin | I get an error saying could not open network socket from dcopserver, unless I try using sudo |
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| 12:07.21 | doublehp | cirwin: seek your old /etc/group in your backups |
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| 12:07.34 | cirwin | backups? |
| 12:08.01 | CharminTheMoose | someone doesn't have backups. :P |
| 12:08.09 | doublehp | cirwin: backup, archives, CD, DVD, extra HDD ... "backup" ! |
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| 12:08.22 | cirwin | nope :( |
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| 12:08.56 | doublehp | cirwin: nope what ? |
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| 12:09.02 | cirwin | I have no backups |
| 12:09.22 | doublehp | now you have a reason to buy some. |
| 12:09.34 | cirwin | thats true |
| 12:09.34 | doublehp | any one doing computing without backing up ??? |
| 12:09.48 | PythonNinja | doublehp: i like to keep things exciting |
| 12:10.12 | cirwin | most of my data is backed up through svn to a server online, but I don't include anything but /home/cirwin/ |
| 12:10.20 | doublehp | PythonNinja: exciting to loose years of work on a powerfailure ? |
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| 12:10.51 | doublehp | cirwin: you should backup AT LEAST /etc /home /var and /boot. |
| 12:10.51 | PythonNinja | doublehp: sure is! i have backups of some of my sourcem but by and large, yeah i just live on the edge.. honestly recovery is easier than making backups and then not losing them for me |
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| 12:11.26 | niru | how to enable handwriting recognition in hp compaq tc4200 tabletpc |
| 12:11.27 | cirwin | you're probably right, but thats not much help atm |
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| 12:12.26 | cirwin | can someone who runs kde who can tell me what usergroups they are in? |
| 12:12.42 | PythonNinja | cirwin: i run kde apps in enlightenment.. not in any spcial groups |
| 12:12.45 | doublehp | cirwin: network ports below 1024 can only open by root. If it's a local ressouce (file to run, or dev to open), ls the file, and see which group owns it; add yourself to that groupd, and reload your cessino to inherit those groups |
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| 12:13.55 | doublehp | cirwin: hmmm, got it: to su easily, you need the stick bit. To sudo without password, you need to be in shadow groupd, and edit /etc/shadow (from mem ) |
| 12:14.14 | doublehp | cirwin: no; s/shadow/wheel/ :) |
| 12:14.56 | mbroeker | doublehp, to perform a sudo without a pwd you have to alter /etc/sudoers. that's the normal way... |
| 12:15.00 | PythonNinja | doublehp: this is something i don't like about debian.. most os's, without wheel you CAN'T su, and the thought of su without a password is unthinkinkable (as it should be) |
| 12:15.18 | cirwin | I'm struggling here, sorry, sudo works fine - I'm trying to run "kate" |
| 12:15.41 | cirwin | but I get headed of by a dcopserver - so I don't know which file its trying to open |
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| 12:16.41 | doublehp | PythonNinja: recover from backup softs is painfull; thats why I just rsync :) I got 2 drives in my box, dayli cron does rsunc from one to an other; this is thus integral backup, and has two trivial ways to restaure: cp -a, or swap disks :) I have a 3rd montly backup , plugging a 3rd drive (in case of electrical burnout inside the box) |
| 12:16.55 | doublehp | mbroeker: not to me, to cirwin |
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| 12:17.16 | geggam | NFS NAS RAID1 |
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| 12:18.03 | doublehp | geggam: you dont have protection against FS corruption, I do have 2 :) |
| 12:18.25 | geggam | sure i do ... plugin external drive and sync once a week... |
| 12:19.13 | doublehp | geggam: ( in practice, I already have several RAID chains :D , but, was pointlesse to mention here ) |
| 12:19.49 | doublehp | geggam: taling RAID, will RAID7 ever come in software ? |
| 12:20.13 | geggam | 7 ? |
| 12:20.16 | geggam | wft is that |
| 12:20.38 | doublehp | geggam: are you even aware of RAID 6 ? |
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| 12:21.08 | geggam | nope.. im oblivious to any method i dont use |
| 12:21.57 | geggam | if what i am using doesnt meet my needs i research another method |
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| 12:22.43 | doublehp | geggam: raid 5 has only one checksum disk; considering the failure probability of a disk, using RAID5 on more than 7 disk is suicide. RAID6 suport 2 CRC disks, thus, can provide reasonable safety up to 17 disks. This is without mentioning "spares"; problem of spare is that they require to rebuild; with RAID6, you can accept to burn 2 HDD during a power failure. |
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| 12:22.53 | doublehp | geggam: both supported by linux. I use both |
| 12:23.12 | geggam | ok doublehp ...i was kidding |
| 12:23.14 | doublehp | geggam: both can theoretically accept up to 32 drives |
| 12:23.21 | geggam | please dont waste the time typing |
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| 12:23.51 | doublehp | geggam: RAID7 can accept up to 48 drivers, + 8 checksums. actually only available as HW RAID. I need soft RAID7 |
| 12:24.05 | geggam | why not just use ZFS ? |
| 12:24.07 | doublehp | grrr 48 including 8 |
| 12:24.45 | cirwin | has one harddisk and no raid... |
| 12:25.07 | doublehp | googling ZFS |
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| 12:25.22 | Penix | geggam: don't recommend zfs |
| 12:25.23 | geggam | requires solaris to run reliably doublehp |
| 12:25.26 | Penix | has nothing to do with debian |
| 12:25.51 | geggam | does debian support a BSD kernel Penix ? |
| 12:26.01 | geggam | does BSD support ZFS ? |
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| 12:26.02 | geggam | ty |
| 12:26.14 | Penix | yes, it does, and zfs is not included in the GNU/kFreeBSD kernel included in Debian |
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| 12:26.57 | geggam | u must be one of those anal throwbacks from the days of linux l33tism Penix ...right ? |
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| 12:27.19 | Penix | or just someone with twice as much knowledge of the subject you brought up |
| 12:27.29 | geggam | good for u |
| 12:27.42 | geggam | so u dont know anything either ? |
| 12:27.57 | Penix | heh. ok. run off and play now |
| 12:28.02 | uav | is on win32 cause of "waiting for root filesystem" hang... |
| 12:28.17 | Penix | uav: sid? |
| 12:29.19 | uav | ok, I installed "splashy" package - then aptitude done "some" update to kernel (2.6.24-1-686 and yes, sid) and... then I did a reboot... and we all know what happened |
| 12:29.52 | doublehp | cirwin: buy a second drive, and read man rsync. It's easy. |
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| 12:29.56 | uav | I tried to edit grub menu to boot another part - as I googled net (hda to hdb and others, same with sda and so on) |
| 12:30.09 | wfq | is it possible to install the jvm via apt-get? |
| 12:30.17 | Penix | wfq: yes |
| 12:30.21 | cirwin | doublehp: will rsync let me make a backup of a previous state from now? |
| 12:30.32 | Penix | uav: scroll up when it gets stuck at the filesystem. see anything else nasty going on? |
| 12:30.50 | wfq | Penix and it could be that one, couldn't it:jamvm - virtual machine which conforms to JVM specification 2 |
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| 12:31.39 | Penix | wfq: what do you want to do? just run java apps or write java apps? |
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| 12:32.00 | uav | I know theres no /proc/cmdline, cant remember much more atm - in the grum there is mounted hd0, 5 - so its hda6 I presume, and I can browse the part. from grub console |
| 12:32.10 | uav | grub* |
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| 12:32.47 | wfq | Penix, I just need the java virtual machine to install netbeans to be used with ruby |
| 12:32.49 | doublehp | cirwin: my daily.cron does rsync, to archive one disk on an other, only updating changes of the day; the first day, it takes 3h to copy my 40G datas; next days, it takes less than 10mn every night. After each night, the second drives contains integral copy, restauration takes time (to copy gigags) , but is performed with trivial command: cp -a (unlike other backup daemons). To have J-2, you need a second backup (and make them in right order). I ha |
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| 12:33.05 | Penix | wfq: apt-get install sun-java5-jdk |
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| 12:33.40 | doublehp | cirwin: I backup etc home var and boot and /root ; during day, the drive must be umounted, or a kernel corruption could break the file system (happened to me twice on power failure). |
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| 12:34.01 | Penix | wfq: you'll need non-free enabled. otherwise you can try one of the free implementations |
| 12:34.57 | wfq | Penix thanks |
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| 12:35.23 | cirwin | doublehp: well done. you wouldn't happen to know what usergroups i should be in if I want to run kde apps though? :p |
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| 12:35.33 | doublehp | cirwin: rsync only update files newly created, and recently changed; unlike svn, it looses no space at all. any way, many files in /home are binary; svn would not be usefull |
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| 12:35.59 | doublehp | cirwin: I answered that; we said wheel and sudoers 10 mn ago |
| 12:36.18 | doublehp | cirwin: also refer to /etc/sudo* and /etc/wheel |
| 12:36.19 | cirwin | doublehp: ok, you wrapped it up too technically. thank you |
| 12:36.23 | PythonNinja | doublehp: you don't need wheel or sudoers to use kde apps in gnome |
| 12:36.44 | doublehp | cirwin: because the ral answer to your question is: "it depends on various factors". |
| 12:36.45 | Penix | and you don't use wheel in linux |
| 12:37.21 | cirwin | I thought that might be the case, how much of a problem would it be if i just added myself to all the groups... |
| 12:37.39 | doublehp | cirwin: security issues |
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| 12:37.48 | wfq | Penix so all that I have to do is to add one more line with the repositories I have but also adding at the end of it nonfree? |
| 12:37.55 | cirwin | doublehp: i know |
| 12:38.13 | doublehp | cirwin: it d be faster to edit /etc/password and assign to your user the UID 0 ; did that, pretty much fun :) |
| 12:38.21 | Penix | wfq: no, add non-free to the end of your existing repo line. it should already have 'main' or 'main contrib' |
| 12:38.30 | cirwin | could do, but then sudo'd get bored |
| 12:38.31 | Phlogi_ | how can I completely remove all mysql db's? Without even connection to mysql... |
| 12:38.52 | PythonNinja | Phlogi_: rm -rf / oughta do the trick (note: don't!) |
| 12:38.55 | doublehp | phorce1: rm some dir in /var ? |
| 12:39.01 | Penix | cirwin: what did you want to do? run kde apps in another wm/de? forget about groups and users then |
| 12:39.07 | Phlogi_ | PythonNinja: I hope so, but where are the files? |
| 12:39.15 | wfq | Penix, well sorry I meant what you meant :) |
| 12:39.29 | doublehp | PythonNinja: you cant rm /, this is technically impossible; you rm /* :) |
| 12:39.29 | Penix | wfq: oh. ok. go for it then |
| 12:39.39 | cirwin | when I try and run kde apps I get a message about dcopserver "could not open network socket" |
| 12:39.39 | Penix | wfq: don't forget to apt-get update after |
| 12:39.54 | wfq | yes yes, thank you very much |
| 12:39.58 | cirwin | it works fine if I run them as root - and I know I messed up my usergroups recently |
| 12:40.24 | Penix | don't run anything as root |
| 12:40.27 | doublehp | cirwin: PythonNinjasaid you dont need to edit groupd to use sudo in kde |
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| 12:40.34 | Penix | except stuff you obviously need to |
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| 12:40.46 | PythonNinja | doublehp: i've never tried.. dd if=/dev/urandom of=`mount | grep " / " | awk {'print $1'}` just seems more thourough |
| 12:40.52 | Penix | sudo is sudo. it doesn't know whether you're using kde or not |
| 12:41.15 | PythonNinja | doublehp: no, you don't need to use sudo at all |
| 12:42.07 | cirwin | has no problem with sudo |
| 12:42.13 | cirwin | i just can't run kate |
| 12:42.31 | PythonNinja | cirwin: don't run everything as root! try running kdeinit first, then trying a kde app |
| 12:42.32 | Phlogi_ | PythonNinja: rm -r /var/lib/mysql/* :-p |
| 12:42.32 | Penix | cirwin: it doesn't matter if you have no problem running everything as root with sudo. it's a really bad idea to do that |
| 12:42.46 | Penix | cirwin: and, yeah, what does kdeinit do/say when you run it? |
| 12:42.47 | PythonNinja | Penix++ explained it better than i did |
| 12:42.49 | doublehp | PythonNinja: badblocks -svw /hda 1024 is also fun :) said that once, the guy did it on prod server /o\ after, he complained strange behaviour, then went offline after 5mn. He came back 3 days later, and hated me for months /o\ |
| 12:42.52 | Penix | PythonNinja: beat me to it |
| 12:43.00 | cirwin | kdeinit: Aborting. No write access to '/home/conrad/.ICEauthority'. |
| 12:43.18 | PythonNinja | doublehp: haha |
| 12:43.25 | PythonNinja | Penix: are you logged in as conrad? |
| 12:43.34 | Penix | cirwin: there's your problem |
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| 12:43.44 | Penix | PythonNinja: eh? |
| 12:43.54 | cirwin | ok, do I just chown it back to me? |
| 12:43.58 | Penix | yes |
| 12:43.59 | PythonNinja | s/penix/cirwin/ |
| 12:44.10 | PythonNinja | cirwin: are you not logged in as cirwin? |
| 12:44.19 | cirwin | PythonNinja: yes |
| 12:44.28 | cirwin | I am user 'conrad' |
| 12:44.40 | PythonNinja | does the ICEauth file exist? |
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| 12:44.53 | cirwin | yes it exists but only root has permission to read it |
| 12:45.05 | Penix | then that's why kdeinit won't start, like the error said |
| 12:45.06 | vakuum | Hi, I want to add a user (nagios) to be able to run a command without entering password with sudo. How would I go about this? nagios ALL=NOPASSWD:/ in /etc/sudoers doesnt do the trick. Any ideas? |
| 12:45.07 | PythonNinja | cirwin: probably set by your dm, GDM? |
| 12:45.10 | cirwin | should I chmod it less restrictively or chown it to me? |
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| 12:45.22 | cirwin | I am using gdm |
| 12:45.32 | Penix | cirwin: chown youruser:youruser ~/.ICEauthority |
| 12:45.33 | PythonNinja | cirwin: both, try creating an X session from a tty |
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| 12:45.35 | Penix | cirwin: then try kdeinit |
| 12:45.42 | PythonNinja | xinit /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :1 |
| 12:46.04 | cirwin | the chown seems to work, kdeinnit then runs |
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| 12:46.14 | cirwin | and so does konqueror, yay |
| 12:46.15 | Phlogi_ | Richte mysql-server-5.0 ein (5.0.51a-3) ... |
| 12:46.15 | Phlogi_ | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 12:46.20 | Phlogi_ | what can I do if it hangs here? |
| 12:46.20 | PythonNinja | cirwin: what do you mean the "chown seems to work" of course it works! |
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| 12:46.46 | cirwin | meant that chowning the file .ICEauthority worked to fix the problem he had |
| 12:46.53 | cirwin | pedant :p |
| 12:47.00 | mbroeker | Phlogi_, can you restart it? |
| 12:47.10 | Phlogi_ | mbroeker: I'm installing it right now |
| 12:47.21 | cirwin | thank you all |
| 12:47.23 | Phlogi_ | I want to freshly install it... |
| 12:47.32 | Phlogi_ | I deleted the complete myql directory from /var |
| 12:47.47 | mbroeker | Phlogi_, try /etc/init.d/mysqld start and watch /var/log/messages |
| 12:48.13 | Phlogi_ | mbroeker: hehe ok |
| 12:48.51 | Phlogi_ | my / is full :S |
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| 12:51.21 | Phlogi_ | mbroeker: thanks eh :) |
| 12:51.37 | mbroeker | jnp |
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| 12:56.41 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 12:57.21 | mynullvoid | I am trying to stream a video on my network, but when I typed the ipadddress:8080 I got prompt to download or open a BIN file |
| 12:57.31 | mynullvoid | what did I do wrong? |
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| 13:01.07 | Rienzilla | (and what should I do if I don't have it, but want to use it) |
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| 13:21.17 | doudou | Hi, i would like to install another version of bouml, seems that sid propose 4.2 and etch only 2.1, what can i do? |
| 13:23.01 | abrotman | which one do you want? |
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| 13:23.58 | doudou | i have fluxbox, on a smal computer, 4.1 i suppose, and in general how should i proceed to install deb files, or unstable |
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| 13:24.27 | doudou | i was supprised because i install umbrella, and it restart pormap, i dont need protmap |
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| 13:25.24 | abrotman | so wait .. etch has 2.1 .. sid has 4.2 ... and neither make you happy? |
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| 13:26.35 | uav | I would guess that doudou would like to install 4.2 on etch... a wild guess |
| 13:26.40 | doudou | abrotman, i have etch installed here, i dont know how to install 4.2, i found 4.2 is availlable for sid but i have etch, i may not understand something important |
| 13:26.55 | abrotman | !tell doudou about simple sid backport |
| 13:26.59 | abrotman | doudou: please be care with that |
| 13:27.11 | abrotman | uav: the 4.1 bit threw me off |
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| 13:28.46 | Asmooh | hi.. i wonder.. why does xchat in debian use 2 times more space for server tabs then xchat windows? |
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| 13:29.30 | abrotman | Asmooh: the tabs are variant width .. different fonts? |
| 13:29.38 | Asmooh | hmmz |
| 13:29.39 | abrotman | or ask #xchat |
| 13:29.46 | Asmooh | its more about the hight |
| 13:29.48 | Asmooh | ok |
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| 13:31.10 | doudou | abrotman, 4.1 because on bouml site it seems more simple, but 4.2 is ok, but i dont understand what backports means, i saw 4.2 is available for lenny and sid, and i dont understand what really mean sid lenny etch etch2 etch4 ... |
| 13:31.30 | abrotman | doudou: did you see what the "simple sid backport" said ? |
| 13:31.56 | abrotman | doudou: roughly you're attempting to create a package for etch using a source-package from sid |
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| 13:36.06 | jugglinx | hi all, im about to compile a 2.6.24 kernel for my sid the linux-image doesnt boot... this kernel, if is able to boot in sid, will also boot in testing? |
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| 13:38.10 | Penix | jugglinx: yes |
| 13:38.14 | uav | I suppose it should - I installed etch with 2.6.24 kernel - (custom installer) cause other kernels couldnt see my dvd device |
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| 13:38.57 | uav | or the installers |
| 13:39.13 | uav | well, whatever - I had etch with .24. so it should ;) |
| 13:39.41 | jugglinx | ok, thanks Penix , uav yes, i need it for my wireless card... i can set it up but i prefer to update the kernel. thanks :) |
| 13:40.08 | doudou | i add deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main in etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update, then aptitude search bouml i got only old bouml, i found bouml_4.2-1_i386.deb but what can i do with this? |
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| 13:41.00 | Penix | doudou: because you're searching the etch archive |
| 13:41.06 | Penix | doudou: apt-get source bouml |
| 13:41.08 | abrotman | and that doesn't include deb-src |
| 13:42.20 | erik__ | how can I find out in which package libstdc++ version 5 is , for 'apt-get install ....' ? |
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| 13:42.26 | Penix | doudou: follow what dpkg told you before about simple sid backport |
| 13:42.32 | two2 | christel sweetie, since your staff team is not capable of fixing problems Mr. big pants weasel aka Peter Palfrader is causing, we will have a bit more network disturbance and noise. i think you understand that i cant respect our deal anymore :) |
| 13:43.17 | doudou | Ok i understand, i got the sourcves this way! but found them already in bouml site, and my problem is that i am unable to compile them |
| 13:43.31 | Penix | doudou: unable to compile the source from the site? |
| 13:44.21 | doudou | always same : browser/BrowserAttribute.cpp:30:25: error: qpopupmenu.h is not found and the so many errors |
| 13:44.30 | Penix | doudou: that's why you follow the simple steps outlined in /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:44.47 | Penix | doudou: you're missing dependencies. do what dpkg tells you and it'll build fine |
| 13:46.11 | doudou | Penix, thanks, so packegename is bouml bouml_4.2-1_i386 or ? |
| 13:46.22 | Penix | doudou: bouml |
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| 13:49.21 | mrglinux | i googleing a lot but i cant solve my problem ..please help me... i cant connect to ftp ..and every i input i get this error "Connected to debian.local.421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection" ( i enter ftp localhost) :-( |
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| 13:50.03 | adinc | how can i find out to which package a particular file belongs to? |
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| 13:50.43 | mbroeker | mrglinux, sounds like a configuraton error in [pro|vs]ftp |
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| 13:51.39 | mrglinux | mbroeker: i not found some config file that i saw in goolgeing page that i find.. what shall i do? |
| 13:52.09 | ephesius | when setting up a software raid in debian is it possible to add disks to the raid without data loss |
| 13:52.17 | mbroeker | mrglinux, first of all: your user isn't listed in /etc/ftpusers, right? |
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| 13:53.01 | mrglinux | mbroeker: root is there.. and i try connect in root |
| 13:53.19 | mbroeker | mrglinux, root cannot login to ftp: and dont change that. |
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| 13:53.40 | jelly | adinc: dpkg -S /path/to/file; also/msg dpkg search |
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| 13:54.09 | mrglinux | mbroeker: see i install vhcs2 ... and i can connect to ftp..wich user must there? |
| 13:54.52 | mbroeker | mrglinux, try anonymous access first: enter anonymous and pwd some@adress |
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| 13:55.43 | mrglinux | mbroeker: not problem in root i try? or back to normal user? |
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| 13:56.07 | pippijn | hi all |
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| 13:56.18 | pippijn | how do I find out what package owns a certain file? |
| 13:56.19 | mbroeker | that's not a problem: name mangeling is done on protocol level, mrglinux |
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| 13:57.26 | mrglinux | mbroeker: i cant... i enter ftp and after that enter user anonymous ..i get Not connected |
| 13:57.26 | enouf | pippijn: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:57.42 | mbroeker | mrglinux, ftp localhost |
| 13:57.45 | mbroeker | try that ^^ |
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| 13:57.53 | wfq | hi guys |
| 13:58.00 | doudou | so i did apt-get build-dep bouml (a lot of download was done) then apt-get -b source bouml (now it is compiling) man apt-get does not say a word about -b, i have no idea of what happened, maybe you control my computer an type commands when i am looking somerwhere else |
| 13:58.17 | wfq | where should I install applications that can be use by every user and they are not debian packages? |
| 13:58.28 | abrotman | doudou: yes it does mention -b |
| 13:58.37 | wfq | /usr/local? |
| 13:58.39 | abrotman | doudou: man apt-get .. /-b |
| 13:58.42 | Penix | wfq: yes |
| 13:58.48 | abrotman | wfq: yes, that's one option |
| 13:58.54 | enouf | maybe /usr/local/share even |
| 13:58.59 | abrotman | share? |
| 13:59.01 | abrotman | no |
| 13:59.10 | mrglinux | mbroeker: my main problem is when i ftp localhost i geet this error Connected to debian.local.421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection << so when i enter user anonymous again i get not connected |
| 13:59.12 | enouf | or you could hijack /opt |
| 13:59.20 | Penix | *shudder* |
| 13:59.24 | enouf | it's not used for anything ;-) |
| 13:59.31 | abrotman | except oracle stuff IIRC |
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| 13:59.46 | wfq | so finally /usr/local/appname? |
| 13:59.47 | abrotman | and tons of stuff on commercial unixes |
| 13:59.48 | mbroeker | mrglinux, ok: check /var/log/messages or /var/log/<ftpserver/* |
| 13:59.55 | enouf | well, other distros use it, and that's a sin in and of itself |
| 13:59.55 | abrotman | wfq: no .. use /usr/local/ as the prefix |
| 14:00.02 | Penix | *cough*solaris*cough* |
| 14:00.41 | mbroeker | mrglinux, i am using proftpd and there is a /var/log/proftod/ directory with useful informations. |
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| 14:00.52 | enouf | yeah, /usr/local/ as top wfq |
| 14:00.59 | mrglinux | mbroeker i check there so |
| 14:01.00 | doudou | abrotman, you are right, i supposed it does not exist because it started with d, -b mean compile after download, so my last questiuon, is how system knew i wanted 4.2 and not 2.1 as i always asked bouml |
| 14:01.07 | wfq | ok, thanks guys |
| 14:01.34 | abrotman | doudou: it just got the newest source available |
| 14:01.38 | enouf | wfq: you'll end up having like a mini / in there, with /bin /man , etc |
| 14:01.57 | enouf | wfq: $ /usr/local/ |
| 14:01.57 | enouf | bin/ games/ include/ lib/ man/ sbin/ share/ src/ |
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| 14:02.25 | kjaoki | this is s newbie question, do I need to create a user before adding him to sudoers file |
| 14:02.37 | abrotman | enouf: i'd say it's more like a mini /usr/ than a / |
| 14:02.49 | enouf | yeah |
| 14:02.50 | mbroeker | kjaoki, the user in sudoers must exist. |
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| 14:03.01 | mrglinux | mbroeker: here http://phpfi.com/305613 |
| 14:03.15 | wfq | so should I have a /usr/local/apps and inside have those kind of applications? |
| 14:03.21 | enouf | !icewm |
| 14:03.21 | dpkg | icewm is a nice, simple, themeable and kick-ass wm....the icewm homepage is at http://icewm.sourceforge.net |
| 14:03.33 | kjaoki | so add user before adding him to sudoers |
| 14:03.41 | doudou | abrotman, is there a way to stop here and show oneself ridiculous? i mean could i have found answers to my questions in another way that learning all man pages (as i discover they are produced fastier than i can read them) |
| 14:03.51 | aspWork | hi guys, i am having some trouble with my fglrx drivers under lenny, i have installed then from the rep, and x loads fine, amdccc works and shows my settings, still fglrxinfo claims i am using the mesa driver? |
| 14:03.55 | simonrvn | only if the user doesn't exist |
| 14:03.58 | simonrvn | irssi is being a pain again |
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| 14:04.01 | abrotman | doudou: probably the apt-get documentation (not the man page) |
| 14:04.14 | mbroeker | mrglinux, you need to tweak your proftpd config in /etc/proftpd/ and /etc/default/proftd. |
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| 14:04.25 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe not |
| 14:04.35 | abrotman | !info apt-doc etch |
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| 14:04.37 | dpkg | apt-doc: (Documentation for APT), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.6.46.4-0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 14:04.56 | simonrvn | i typed that first phrase at 110:02, and came out a minute later here :| |
| 14:04.58 | abrotman | doudou: probably install the apt-doc package .. read through it a bit |
| 14:05.02 | simonrvn | 10* |
| 14:05.02 | doudou | you mean info apt-get? |
| 14:05.07 | abrotman | no |
| 14:05.29 | mbroeker | mrglinux Set "UseIPv6 off" in /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf |
| 14:05.46 | mrglinux | w8 |
| 14:06.01 | abrotman | LAG |
| 14:06.37 | mrglinux | mbroeker: UseIPv6 is already off |
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| 14:09.05 | mrglinux | mbroeker: other solution? |
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| 14:10.27 | doudou | i did aptitude search apt-get (no answer) aptitude search apt, aptitude install apt-doc, (i wanted to ask how to read apt-doc but i try "google apt-doc read") that answered file:///usr/share/doc/apt-doc/offline.html/index.html |
| 14:10.31 | mbroeker | mrglinux, check /etc/default/proftpd |
| 14:10.40 | doudou | i am no fakir |
| 14:11.39 | mbroeker | mrglinux, check for -6 settings in that file and remove it |
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| 14:12.19 | mbroeker | mrglinux, by the way: are you using inetd or standalone mode for your ftp-server? |
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| 14:12.57 | mrglinux | mbroeker: i think standalone .. but im not sure... i cat start or stop with /etc/init/d/proftpd |
| 14:13.17 | mrglinux | ** /etc/init.d/proftpd |
| 14:13.50 | doudou | but puting all doc in html i like that, and i now why man is bad : because a man can learn 5000 words (example) and recall to memory about 50 000 words, so asking to remmember command is not made for humans |
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| 14:14.11 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 14:15.10 | mrglinux | mbroeker: here is my config http://phpfi.com/305616 |
| 14:15.59 | mike_sera | I'm trying to install Debian using the netinst iso (and also tried netbooting via pxe) on a dual-core processor on an intel motherboard; the install consistantly hangs at the line ''ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] bus is 0'' |
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| 14:16.45 | Penix | mike_sera: tried 'linux noacpi' at the boot prompt? |
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| 14:17.53 | mike_sera | Penix: trying it now, thanks! |
| 14:18.25 | mike_sera | Penix: didn't work |
| 14:18.33 | Penix | still hangs |
| 14:18.34 | Penix | ? |
| 14:18.40 | mike_sera | yup, same place |
| 14:18.50 | grand_grunt | I've tried "man apt-cache", but found no way to clean all apt-cache files (got a small HDD). Any idea? |
| 14:19.04 | Penix | grand_grunt: clean out downloaded packages? apt-get clean |
| 14:19.53 | mike_sera | Penix: still hangs at same place when I use 'install noapic' and when I use 'install noapic nolapic' |
| 14:20.19 | grand_grunt | Penix: thx |
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| 14:21.42 | mike_sera | Penix: trying 'instal acpi=off' |
| 14:22.05 | grub | Hello, ever since i have installed a few gdm-themes from gnome-look.org. I seem to be having this problem - whenever i log in, X seems to be restarted, and i have to log in again for it to work. Anyone know what might be causing this? |
| 14:22.20 | mike_sera | Penix: the installer started. :) |
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| 14:22.46 | Akuw | Hi |
| 14:22.55 | mrglinux | bahram: to inja chikar mikoni? :P |
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| 14:23.02 | grub | my, Xorg.0.log http://rafb.net/p/ieDsR434.html |
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| 14:26.15 | Justin | grub: ~/.xsession-errors |
| 14:26.42 | mbroeker | mrglinux, sorry i am converting some files and my box has reached its limit... |
| 14:27.18 | mrglinux | mbroeker: np |
| 14:27.31 | grub | Justin, ah, ty |
| 14:27.53 | mbroeker | mrglinux, is there a -6 or -4 option in /etc/default/proftpd? |
| 14:27.59 | grub | I am getting this -> Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/grub/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms: Failed to open file '/home/grub/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms': No such file or directory |
| 14:28.07 | Akuw | i need to install abiword |
| 14:28.13 | grub | (along with other warnings) |
| 14:28.14 | Akuw | apt-get install ???? |
| 14:28.17 | mrglinux | mbroeker i see just -d 3 |
| 14:28.18 | dworkin | can you make a group a member of another group? (in /etc/group) |
| 14:28.29 | mrglinux | mbroeker http://phpfi.com/305616 |
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| 14:29.04 | mbroeker | mrglinux, paste /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf too |
| 14:29.57 | Akuw | E: Couldn't find package abiword |
| 14:30.02 | stew | dworkin: no |
| 14:30.15 | dworkin | stew, :( |
| 14:30.21 | stew | Akuw: abiword |
| 14:30.26 | stew | Akuw: (/msg dpkg search) |
| 14:30.27 | mrglinux | mbroeker http://phpfi.com/305622 |
| 14:30.32 | dworkin | stew: thank you |
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| 14:35.45 | mbroeker | mrglinux, ok: try to set UseIPV6 on :) |
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| 14:40.48 | doudou | at the end, bouml 4.2 compiled but i got bouml 2.19 with fluxbox, so aptitude remove bouml, cd bouml-4.2 then make and make install and now bouml command shows 4.2 (the man who made the program is very old from the time he made 2.19), thats end, thanks |
| 14:40.55 | mrglinux | mbroeker: i turn oin ipv6 and after restart proftpd.. i get this error: IPv6 getaddrinfo 'debian' error: Name or service not known .. and also fto can not connect .. return last error |
| 14:41.46 | stew | mrglinux: is 'debian' your hostname? |
| 14:41.48 | pippijn | shouldn't -:ALL:ALL in /etc/security/access.conf disallow any logins? |
| 14:41.56 | mrglinux | stew yes |
| 14:42.30 | stew | mrglinux: can you show us your /etc/hosts ? |
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| 14:43.25 | mrglinux | stew http://phpfi.com/305630 |
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| 14:44.37 | elwood | hi all |
| 14:44.52 | stew | mrglinux: debian ships these entries as well, they might help you: http://phpfi.com/305631 |
| 14:46.25 | mrglinux | stew add ip6- beginning of each line in /etc/hosts ? |
| 14:47.32 | stew | mrglinux: no |
| 14:47.48 | stew | mrglinux: copy verbatim my stuff into your /etc/hosts |
| 14:48.06 | mrglinux | hmm ok |
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| 14:48.16 | stew | mrglinux: i don't know if adding debian to the end of the ::1 line might help as well |
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| 14:49.07 | mrglinux | stew ftp doesn't work too :-( |
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| 14:50.49 | shadfc | is the connect user standard for etch? if so, what is it used for -- it seems to have been compromised on my system and is initiating attacks as that user |
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| 14:51.06 | mrglinux | mbroeker: /msg ?? |
| 14:51.18 | elwood | hi all |
| 14:51.24 | mbroeker | well try it :) |
| 14:51.41 | stew | shadfc: i've never seen it. if that user was created by a debian package, i'd expect "grep connect /var/lib/dpkg/info/*inst" to turn up some hits on 'adduser' |
| 14:51.43 | elwood | i am using lenny, i have some gnome packagesa at 2.20 and others at 2.22...is it normal? i break something? |
| 14:52.24 | alex_ | shadfc, nuke the account, user is standard, but should be unauthenticable |
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| 14:52.33 | alex_ | should = shouldnt |
| 14:52.55 | stew | alex_: that user is standard? where? from what package? |
| 14:53.06 | shadfc | stew: hmm, actually the user doesnt seem to be present on the system (as far as /etc/passwd is concerned) but top and ps were showing that as the user |
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| 14:53.30 | stew | shadfc: that probably means it's time to reinstall |
| 14:53.36 | alex_ | stew, no idea, nuke the account, or change it in /etc/passwd so they cant login via ssh |
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| 14:53.47 | alex_ | oh |
| 14:53.47 | stew | alex_: its not in /etc/passwd |
| 14:53.54 | alex_ | right, sorry just read |
| 14:53.57 | alex_ | reinstall time |
| 14:53.59 | shadfc | yeah |
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| 14:54.07 | alex_ | youve been broken :) |
| 14:54.08 | stew | shadfc: what does "grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf" return? |
| 14:54.12 | ShredZ | How can I make my system use gcc 4.1 instead of 4.2 (for kernel module on lenny) ? |
| 14:54.24 | alex_ | !gcc |
| 14:54.24 | dpkg | the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc. In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever", or /usr/bin symlinks not handled using Debian <alternatives>, see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian |
| 14:54.39 | alex_ | ShredZ, |
| 14:54.54 | ShredZ | !alternatives |
| 14:54.54 | dpkg | [alternatives] the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 14:55.14 | stew | ShredZ: alternatives is not a way to handle gcc, mind you |
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| 14:55.44 | ShredZ | stew, ow, it worked for java afaik |
| 14:56.08 | shadfc | stew: files winbind |
| 14:56.22 | stew | ShredZ: yeah, java is handled via alternatives. gcc is not. the recommended way is to set the CC env variable before you compile |
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| 14:56.39 | stew | shadfc: wth is winbind? |
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| 14:56.53 | stew | winbind - service to resolve user and group information from Windows NT servers |
| 14:56.54 | shadfc | stew: user auth against active directory |
| 14:57.14 | shadfc | windoze network =P |
| 14:57.20 | stew | shadfc: so 'connect' must be coming from there if not /etc/passwd (or its a rootkit) |
| 14:57.30 | shadfc | ahh, lemme check |
| 14:57.32 | kjaoki | is there a way to find out when a user logged in last? |
| 14:57.53 | stew | kjaoki: try "last username" |
| 14:58.12 | zo0mguy | thanks |
| 14:58.21 | ShredZ | thanks alex_ and stew, works great |
| 14:58.35 | alex_ | welcome |
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| 14:58.57 | Haris1 | Hello people |
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| 14:59.28 | Haris1 | is my syslog supposed to pick up events which have destination IP set to my net ID or broadcast IP ? |
| 14:59.43 | alex_ | Haris1, no |
| 14:59.57 | alex_ | at least, not that i know of |
| 15:00.06 | stew | Haris1: depends on if you have enabled it in /etc/default/syslogd |
| 15:00.19 | alex_ | ah, didnt know that stew :) |
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| 15:01.25 | rhineheart_m | hello.. can you recommend webmin? |
| 15:01.34 | Flash_ | I like it. |
| 15:01.42 | stew | rhineheart_m: defaintely not |
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| 15:02.04 | mrglinux | what about vhcs2 ? |
| 15:02.05 | rhineheart_m | Stew, can you give me the reason? |
| 15:02.23 | stew | rhineheart_m: it was removed from debian becuase it was very problematic, and nobody was willing to maintain it. the webmin authors tried to then prepare a pacakge for debian, but hteir package demonstrated an extreme misunderstanding of the workings of debian and its policies |
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| 15:02.27 | stew | rhineheart_m: its a security nightmare |
| 15:03.25 | rhineheart_m | stew, you mean, webmin is really a bad apps? but they have the latest version and I guess the author is now maintaining it |
| 15:03.45 | azeem | rhineheart_m: we looked at his packages, and didn't like them |
| 15:03.55 | stew | rhineheart_m: the author is not maintaining it in debian. he tried to submit a package, and it was laughable |
| 15:04.13 | shadfc | stew: yeah, connect is present in the AD |
| 15:04.53 | rhineheart_m | stew, azeem, really? ows! too bad.. I have it in my server exposed to the internet.. But I found easier to maintain files their especially their file manager |
| 15:05.35 | stew | rhineheart_m: running it exposed to the internet is considered very dangerous |
| 15:06.34 | rhineheart_m | stew, any recommendation to use for the replacement of webmin? |
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| 15:07.15 | stew | rhineheart_m: the standard answer is going to be to learn to do whatever you would do with webmin from the shell |
| 15:08.08 | rhineheart_m | stew, what do you mean? better to work with the shell than using any web based interface? |
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| 15:09.45 | stew | rhineheart_m: correct |
| 15:10.06 | stew | rhineheart_m: certainly for operations that require root privileges |
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| 15:10.23 | rhineheart_m | stew, but I'm new to linux world.. can you give me an advise to what web based interface am I will be usinG? |
| 15:10.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | if your new, start learning |
| 15:10.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | you should know that by now rhineheart_m |
| 15:10.50 | Florent | hi |
| 15:10.54 | stew | rhineheart_m: to do what, specifically? |
| 15:11.26 | rhineheart_m | how about phpmyadmin? can you recommend that? |
| 15:11.33 | stew | rhineheart_m: no |
| 15:12.02 | Florent | when I try to build openafs-modules-source i have : checking for linux kernel module build works... no Any idea ? |
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| 15:12.02 | rhineheart_m | no also? owsss.... |
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| 15:12.05 | Justin | Florent: use module-assistant |
| 15:12.14 | Florent | I use module-assistant |
| 15:12.33 | Florent | but i don't know if I use the right linux-headers |
| 15:12.43 | Florent | im on 2.6.24.14 |
| 15:12.46 | stew | rhineheart_m: phpmyadmin is not bad software. its just dangerous. it can be safer if it can only be used by a user that has limited access, like only able to do select or some such, but nobody ever uses it that way. |
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| 15:13.22 | Florent | and i have the linux-headers-2.6.24-1-powerpc (my box is a gamecube) |
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| 15:13.52 | pbr | can someone tell me how to find the wwpn of an HBA on debian or better yet knoppix? |
| 15:14.14 | stew | Florent: hte headers package to ues is the one returned by "echo linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
| 15:14.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | pbr, tried #knoppix ? |
| 15:14.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | because if its a knoppix question we cant help |
| 15:14.45 | alex_ | rhineheart_m, take a peek at ispconfig |
| 15:14.59 | pbr | Kamping_Kaiser: im in there now hoping they will answer, i was hoping it was the same for debian as it is for knoppix :/ |
| 15:15.02 | Florent | ok so i will try to find linux-headers-2.6.24.4 |
| 15:15.05 | alex_ | rhineheart_m, but its not the direct answer your looking for, remember, learn read learn read |
| 15:15.18 | rhineheart_m | stew, is ispconfig safe? |
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| 15:15.59 | alex_ | rhineheart_m, yes it is. |
| 15:16.02 | allikat | Afternoon everyone, anyone happen to be skilled in setting up NAT routing? |
| 15:16.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | pbr, it may be, but it may be different (i dont know, havent used knoppix for years) |
| 15:16.21 | alex_ | rhineheart_m, well, nothing is totally secure, ispconfig however, is very secure. |
| 15:16.22 | rhineheart_m | Kamping_Kaiser, can you recommend ISPCOnfig? |
| 15:16.30 | pbr | Kamping_Kaiser: if I can do it from a debian live cd, i won't need to use knoppix :) |
| 15:16.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | rhineheart_m, never heard of it before |
| 15:16.54 | rhineheart_m | how about you stew? |
| 15:17.25 | chop1 | tell allikat about anyone |
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| 15:17.37 | chop1 | !tell allikat about anyone |
| 15:17.40 | stew | rhineheart_m: i don't know anything about it. if it exposes root privileges via a web interface, i think it is a bad idea. |
| 15:17.53 | allikat | lol, yeah, thanks for pointing me at the bot chop1 |
| 15:18.00 | chop1 | allikat: np |
| 15:18.22 | Florent | where can i find linux-headers-2.6.24.4 ? |
| 15:18.32 | allikat | kk, since you seem to be the wise one round here chop1, how do I get NAT running on a debian 4 server with 2 nics? |
| 15:19.03 | alex_ | allikat, port fowarding? / routing? |
| 15:19.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | !nat |
| 15:19.41 | dpkg | Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages. |
| 15:19.49 | chops | allikat: You should start with google ("debian nat", for example) instead of asking someone to explain for you step-by-step what's documented in many places |
| 15:19.57 | chops | allikat: We'll be happy to help if you have problems getting it set up |
| 15:20.10 | stew | Florent: that is not a debian kernel. someone else (you?) compiled it. so you would find it in the directory above where it was compiled, provided whomever compiled it also created the -headers package |
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| 15:21.32 | allikat | kk, will check the website again, maybe I need to check with another machine, the last time I tried it pointed me at a 1997 page for 1.x and 2.0 kernels.. and ipfwdadm is obsolete |
| 15:21.34 | grendal_prime | anyone familar with a method of propigating keys/certs to a the backup servers in an openvpn cluster? |
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| 15:21.49 | anyone | hehe |
| 15:22.08 | allikat | the nick anyone is taken :( |
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| 15:24.10 | Florent | ok stew thanks |
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| 15:26.55 | stew | Florent: did you compile it? |
| 15:27.40 | Justin | AFS on a gamecube? could you be using any more obscure software on more obscure hardware? :-P |
| 15:27.53 | Florent | I just try :) |
| 15:28.00 | Florent | not the server afs |
| 15:28.03 | Florent | a client |
| 15:28.13 | stew | Florent: are you using make-kpkg? |
| 15:28.38 | Florent | i compile the 2.6.24.4 patched for cube |
| 15:29.00 | stew | Florent: what command did you use to compile? |
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| 15:29.11 | stew | Florent: "make" or "make-kpkg"? |
| 15:29.18 | Florent | i cross compile with make |
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| 15:30.25 | stew | Florent: well we'd usually recommend using make-kpkg, (/msg dpkg kp) but i don't know that it would do the right thing in a cross-compiling environment. |
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| 15:30.41 | Florent | :p |
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| 15:31.02 | chops | Florent: You could try make-kpkg, and file a wishlist bug if it doesn't work for cross compilation :-) |
| 15:31.11 | stew | Florent: if you are using make, you woulnd't be creating .deb pacakges, so there will be no linux-headers-$version package, you'd have to make the source code avilable via a /lib/modules/$version/source symlink in order to use module-assistant |
| 15:32.16 | Florent | humm ko |
| 15:32.17 | Florent | ok |
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| 15:32.50 | DustyBin | how do you install 2 instances of apache2 on debian etch? i need one to be http and the other to be https |
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| 15:33.15 | Justin | DustyBin: you don't need 2 for that |
| 15:33.36 | DustyBin | how do you get apache2 to listen on 80 and 443 ? |
| 15:33.45 | Justin | you install/load the ssl module |
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| 15:34.08 | johaBBa | anyone have some network monitoring tools that would be good to put on a multi-nic firewall box. i'm looking for something with a web interface and that will show me what hosts are trying to connect to me |
| 15:34.12 | DustyBin | my apache2 is already setup to use https i need to run mythtv mythweb in http only because streaming doesnt work with htttps |
| 15:34.17 | stew | DustyBin: edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 15:34.47 | johaBBa | and possibly what my clients are trying to connect out to |
| 15:34.50 | stew | DustyBin: then you'll want to add a virtual host on port 443 that has "SSLEnable on" |
| 15:35.02 | DustyBin | aye ok thanks |
| 15:35.28 | stew | DustyBin: and you shold run "a2enmod ssl" |
| 15:35.34 | DustyBin | 80 >> mythweb all my other bits >> 443 |
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| 15:35.36 | tm | hello |
| 15:35.43 | tm | works "GPT" with debian kernels? |
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| 15:38.33 | stew | tm: what is GPT ? |
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| 15:39.04 | tm | stew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
| 15:39.31 | anti-haarp | command to create files with random info? |
| 15:39.48 | dmilith | um.. |
| 15:39.57 | dmilith | sorry.. i don;'t understand: |
| 15:40.04 | dmilith | root@drakor:/home/dmilith# ulimit -p 666 |
| 15:40.10 | dmilith | bash: ulimit: pipe size: cannot modify limit: bad argument |
| 15:40.11 | dmilith | ? |
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| 15:40.43 | stew | anti-haarp: you'd typically do that by using dd to copy bytes from /dev/urandom |
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| 15:42.46 | chtp | hi folks. anyone has a hint how to compile a i386 kernel on a running amd64 arch using make-kpkg? |
| 15:42.46 | anti-haarp | stew, reading.. can I fix the bytes on it? |
| 15:43.02 | stew | anti-haarp: what do you mean by fix? |
| 15:43.05 | alex_ | !i386 |
| 15:43.05 | dpkg | i guess i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
| 15:43.20 | stew | anti-haarp: you mean fix the number of bytes? |
| 15:43.36 | anti-haarp | I mean define |
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| 15:44.31 | lexoplex | I'm using the standard Debian Netinstall CD to rescue an old box. It tells me to pick a device to use as root file system. What should I choose? |
| 15:44.39 | hoxu | tm, hmm... there's grub-efi, the description says: "Support for modern partition maps such as GPT." |
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| 15:45.19 | anti-haarp | stew thank you... i got it. |
| 15:45.30 | hoxu | lexoplex, what do you mean with "rescue"? |
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| 15:46.16 | stew | lexoplex: do you know which device name contains your / patition? something like /dev/hda1 or /dev/sdb3 or something? |
| 15:46.40 | lexoplex | hoxu: I think I have to repair some disk errors... There's a kernel panic during the boot process. |
| 15:46.58 | stew | tm: if you know which kernel module or config option enables GPT support in the linux kernel, we could tell you if the debian kernel has that option |
| 15:47.19 | lexoplex | stew: I'm not 100% sure, it might be /dev/hda6. |
| 15:48.11 | hoxu | lexoplex, so you just want to boot to linux from CD and inspect the installed system, not reinstall? |
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| 15:48.23 | stew | lexoplex: well if it were /dev/hda6, then /dev/hda6 is what you should pick as the device for the root file system |
| 15:48.44 | lexoplex | hoxu: Yes, exactly. Inspect and maybe repair a file system. |
| 15:49.12 | hoxu | hrem, correct me if I'm wrong, but the debian netinstaller CD probably isn't the right tool for this...? |
| 15:50.09 | hoxu | lexoplex, did anything in your setup change when it started to panic at boot? |
| 15:51.19 | lexoplex | stew: OK, the device names displayed are different, but it's pretty clear which one translates to /dev/hda6. Now I'm getting "A shell ... was found on your root file system (...), but an error occurred while running it." |
| 15:51.21 | stew | hoxu: why isn't the installer the right tool? |
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| 15:51.40 | lexoplex | hoxu: No, I don't think so. |
| 15:52.16 | hoxu | stew, well, I may be wrong, but isn't the netinstaller kind of... sparse in the amount of available utilities? |
| 15:52.18 | stew | lexoplex: perhaps check alt-f3, alt-f4 and see if there are diagnostic errors listed there? |
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| 15:52.52 | stew | hoxu: it has a rescue mode which should let him use the utilities from his install |
| 15:53.11 | hoxu | ah, my bad, never used that |
| 15:53.15 | stew | lexoplex: are the '...'s in yoru message above literal? or did you omit stuff there? |
| 15:53.34 | lexoplex | stew: omit |
| 15:53.35 | stew | lexoplex: if you hit alt-f2, you should get a shell where you could mount/fsck stuff by hand |
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| 15:55.10 | lexoplex | stew: OK, I see a BusyBox there... And a few kernel: warnings/errors on Alt-F4, at the bottom. |
| 15:55.24 | enouf | lexoplex: not sure this helps, but the installer has a 'rescue' boot mode option |
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| 15:55.51 | lexoplex | enouf: Yes, I am using that. |
| 15:56.02 | enouf | i see |
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| 16:02.18 | lexoplex | In e2fsck, is it safe to just say yes each time it wants to clear illegal blocks? |
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| 16:04.56 | hoxu | xann, invoke-rc.d ssh restart |
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| 16:05.17 | macsim | hi, I have follow this http://howtoforge.com/apache2_with_php5_and_php4 but by default apache load a .php page in php4 where can I force it to use php5 ? |
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| 16:05.42 | deconvolution | hello, is there any way to prevent a user execute a particular program? such as a game or a script? |
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| 16:05.52 | _vvd | what do i have to do to support a specific language beside generating the locales? |
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| 16:06.18 | Legality | Hi all |
| 16:06.20 | Legality | quick check |
| 16:06.41 | themill | macsim: are you using the dotdeb packages for php5? |
| 16:06.52 | macsim | themill, no |
| 16:06.57 | hoxu | deconvolution, one solution is to play with groups & permissions |
| 16:07.12 | themill | macsim: good ;) so you're just doing the mod_php/php-cgi part of that howto. |
| 16:07.24 | macsim | themill, I know it's an old tutorial, I use the official debian package |
| 16:07.35 | Legality | when a partition is unmounted the data will be kept and the data will be there when it's mounted again right? The data will be lost only when removing the partition? |
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| 16:07.38 | deconvolution | hoxu: such program does not exist on my machine, but is downloaded by the user from the internet or usb... |
| 16:07.49 | macsim | themill, I did it but still have a php4 answer from phpinfo(); |
| 16:08.10 | hoxu | deconvolution, in that case, none that I can think of |
| 16:08.30 | hoxu | deconvolution, unless you make it so that users can't download custom executables |
| 16:08.53 | hoxu | deconvolution, you could mount home partition with noexec but that might break things |
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| 16:09.01 | Legality | could some expert confirm my theory? |
| 16:09.06 | deconvolution | hoxu, is that possible to limit the user only run the given process only? |
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| 16:09.16 | Legality | or someone not so expert is fine, too :> |
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| 16:09.44 | hoxu | Legality, hum, unmounting does not delete the partition, yes :) |
| 16:10.12 | themill | macsim: you could try uninstalling the libapache2-mod-php4 package (a2dismod php4 should also do it) |
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| 16:10.44 | jamesfff | i just setup 15 servers in 15 minutes. |
| 16:10.46 | jamesfff | rulage |
| 16:10.48 | hoxu | deconvolution, I don't understand that sorry, can you elaborate a bit more for us what kind of control you want to achieve - do you want to limit users to running only programs you've installed? |
| 16:10.50 | Legality | what if I unmount the partition where my os exists? |
| 16:11.01 | macsim | themill, php4 doesn't exist as module and libapache2-mod-php4 is not installed |
| 16:11.19 | themill | macsim: btw you know that php4 is going away RSN, don't you? It's time to get things working under php5.... |
| 16:11.33 | themill | macsim: hmmm... are you using apache1.3 not apache2 then? |
| 16:11.38 | hoxu | Legality, you mean the root partition, and you can't unmount it, you can only unmount partitions that have no open files |
| 16:11.42 | macsim | themill, I know but I still have old website to keep under php4 :/ |
| 16:11.47 | macsim | themill, apache2 |
| 16:11.48 | Legality | hoxu: ah, ok |
| 16:11.50 | Legality | thanks |
| 16:12.23 | themill | macsim: is the phpinfo() output showing that it's running in mod_php mode or in cgi mode? |
| 16:12.40 | macsim | themill, Server API CGI/FastCGI |
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| 16:12.49 | deconvolution | hoxu: sort of yes. but I cannot prevent them copy some script from the usb disk like a document, and change to an exectuable program... |
| 16:13.38 | macsim | themill, maybe purge php4 and try to reinstall php4-cgi ? |
| 16:13.44 | hoxu | deconvolution, see what I said above, you can mount partitions noexec, that way no binaries can be executed from them |
| 16:14.03 | hoxu | deconvolution, you just have to do it with all partitions that the users have write permissions on |
| 16:14.43 | themill | macsim: you presumably have a handler set up for .php that is pointing towards the php4 cgi setup. Have a close look through /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ (and also conf.d) |
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| 16:15.15 | macsim | themill, I look ... |
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| 16:16.55 | macsim | themill, I only have apache2.conf AddHandler php-script .php4 |
| 16:17.21 | larsl | Dumb question - is there a way to get the address for my ISP's SMTP server using DHCP? |
| 16:17.38 | larsl | Provided that they actually tell my DHCP client about it. |
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| 16:18.01 | helo | to get rid of the automatic naming of network devices based on mac addy, do i have to remove /etc/udev/persistent-net-generator.rules ? |
| 16:18.07 | amphi | I very much doubt they do |
| 16:18.15 | themill | !tell helo about z25 |
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| 16:18.29 | hoxu | larsl, I've never heard DHCP including information of SMTP server...? |
| 16:18.42 | larsl | Maybe not. It's really annoying though. |
| 16:19.00 | themill | macsim: I presume that the file that is producing phpinfo() is a .php file not a .php4 file then.... (just checking) |
| 16:19.12 | macsim | themill, yes it's a .php |
| 16:19.16 | amphi | larsl: you can't find it out with host? |
| 16:19.21 | larsl | When I take the laptop over to my parents I have to use their ISP's SMTP, when I'm at home I have to use mine, when I'm somewhere else I have to use that... |
| 16:19.26 | larsl | amphi: host? |
| 16:19.50 | amphi | larsl: host -t MX your_isp |
| 16:20.02 | stew | amphi: that's incoming servers, not outgoing servers |
| 16:20.12 | hoxu | larsl, cat /etc/resolv.conf, and try host {smtp,mail}.(whatever domain/search is listed therein) |
| 16:20.39 | hoxu | larsl, or if you know your ISPs name, try googling :P |
| 16:20.41 | amphi | stew: point, although they quite often seem to be the same |
| 16:20.43 | themill | macsim: odd then... I presume also that you have restarted apache since chainging the config files. |
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| 16:20.55 | macsim | themill, yes I have |
| 16:20.57 | larsl | hoxu: Yes, of course - the point is that I want it to be automatic. |
| 16:21.01 | themill | macsim: :( |
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| 16:21.17 | larsl | But if ISPs don't send out that info over DHCP I suppose I'm screwed anyway. |
| 16:21.19 | macsim | themill, http://paste.mootools.net/f5f864345 |
| 16:21.48 | themill | larsl: you could look at whereami, perhaps |
| 16:21.53 | macsim | themill, here is the the find for AddHander |
| 16:21.56 | larsl | GMail's SMTP works as a fallback, but it has some annoying quirks. |
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| 16:22.50 | hoxu | larsl, oh, you are trying to script something automatic for a laptop? |
| 16:22.57 | larsl | hoxu: Yeah. |
| 16:23.05 | hajhouse | i'm using 'sudo ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org' to set my machine's clock. but it doesn't seem to work (the reported offset is just about the same at 974 sec after every invocation; i've also tried with the -b flag). |
| 16:23.11 | phorce1 | larsl: for places that you KNOW you frequent start building a list of the SMTP server names and write ascript to automate it. |
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| 16:25.15 | macsim | themill, I found !! |
| 16:25.22 | themill | macsim: do tell... |
| 16:25.22 | phorce1 | larsl: The script would drop through the list issuing an "telnet some.smtp.server" command looking for failures and set the one that doesn't fail wherever you need it to be set (in your MTA config file I presume) |
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| 16:25.41 | stew | larsl: two things you can do are: 1) setup a smarthost somwhere that runs on a non-standard port (since the ISPs are just blocking 25, you can use some other port). or 2) setup a vpn and send mail to the smarthost over the vpn |
| 16:25.50 | macsim | themill, I put my .htaccess with php4 handler in the root directory ! |
| 16:25.59 | phorce1 | larsl: telnet might not be the best tool --- just a general idea of what needs to happen |
| 16:26.00 | themill | macsim: that will do it.... |
| 16:26.01 | macsim | themill, insteed of php4 directory |
| 16:26.21 | macsim | themill, thanks anyway for your help |
| 16:26.23 | vvd | how would i grant mount access for disk volumes (not just removable media) in hal, so i can mount them in nautilus? |
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| 16:27.04 | themill | larsl: you could push your email through an ssh tunnel to another location and always use that tunnel |
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| 16:27.16 | vvd | i currently treat them as removable but i think thats probably not the best solution :> |
| 16:27.23 | themill | larsl: (which is basically what stew said but probably easier to set up) |
| 16:27.56 | larsl | phorce1: Yeah, I suppose that is the easiest option. |
| 16:28.17 | larsl | themill, stew: That would require me running a server somewhere though. |
| 16:28.52 | phorce1 | larsl: Every time you go to a new place add their server to the test list. Leave gmail at the bottom of the list as a fallthrough. |
| 16:28.58 | themill | larsl: does your "normal" isp run an smtp-auth server on port 587? That is unlikely to be blocked as it is designed expressly for that purpose. |
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| 16:29.07 | stew | larsl: yes |
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| 16:30.25 | larsl | themill: Don't know, I've only found the regular SMTP server. |
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| 16:47.00 | nollan_ | anyone used ganglia-web in here? it doesn't seem to be included in the gmetad package... |
| 16:47.08 | schemelab | on Debian/etch, what tex/latex distro should I install? |
| 16:47.44 | lexoplex | Umm, there are many errors reported by e2fsck... There's no guarantee that the filesystem is usable after fixing them all, right? |
| 16:48.09 | SlimeyPete | no guarantee. |
| 16:48.19 | SlimeyPete | fsck is pretty good at fixing stuff though. |
| 16:48.55 | lexoplex | OK, so I'm just leaning on 'y' and hoping for the best :) |
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| 16:52.44 | nollan_ | what should i do if one package points to another package that doesn't exist? |
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| 16:57.24 | streuner | nollan: show us the message in paste.debian.net please |
| 16:58.03 | streuner | nollan_: and your sources.list |
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| 16:59.09 | _haxi_ | how can I know what branch I'm on? |
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| 16:59.59 | _haxi_ | I mean, a guy with the same sources.list, don't got linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 on his apt .. wth? |
| 17:00.35 | jerome | Hi there, I've been trying to get suspend to RAM working on my new HP nc2400 laptop but it seems it gets stuck (really, not just a blank screen) on resume, whereas hibernate works just fine. I've been through pm-utils and uwsusp FAQs and READMEs and the only conclusion I got was : "your evil BIOS might be broken". Anyone there experienced such systematic freezes on resume ? |
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| 17:02.13 | amphi | jerome: they're faily common, from what I hear; what does 'cat /sys/power/state' say? |
| 17:02.28 | Mark17 | _haxi_: did you use apt-get update? |
| 17:02.36 | Mark17 | so you have a current list |
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| 17:02.53 | _haxi_ | yeah |
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| 17:03.20 | Maniga | Hi, I need help ! |
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| 17:03.29 | Maniga | Could any help me ? |
| 17:04.01 | azeem | !ask |
| 17:04.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:04.30 | Maniga | I Want try to compile gnome 2.22 to etch. |
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| 17:06.32 | Vorbote | Maniga: you are far better off moving on to Sid, or using a Sid based distro like Sidux or the one with the U. |
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| 17:07.00 | azeem | Maniga: or wait for a backport |
| 17:07.01 | azeem | Vorbote: please don't advertise unstable in here |
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| 17:08.14 | nollan_ | streuner, http://paste.debian.net/51965 |
| 17:08.42 | nollan_ | ahh, i might see the problem now |
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| 17:10.30 | Vorbote | azeem: what makes you think I'm advertising unstable? Whoever wnats the latest and greatest, simply dowsn't need Debian stable. That's what I use in my servers not my desktop. |
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| 17:10.45 | azeem | Vorbote: because you mentioned unstable? |
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| 17:11.01 | pgpkeys | if you run unstable you have no need of this channel. |
| 17:11.18 | pgpkeys | means you're a developer (or a guru) |
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| 17:11.43 | hoxu | Maniga, disregard Vorbote's recommendation of using sid :) |
| 17:12.43 | Aditya | Umm... Can someone tell me any method to install Debian on a computer that does not have a DVD drive using the DVDs? |
| 17:12.54 | jerome | amphi: cat /sys/power/state says "mem disk" |
| 17:12.57 | Vorbote | azeem: That's true. I dress in black and throw dimes to kids and tell them to go and buy real computers. (And I'm not trolling, I did cut my teeth using mainframes). |
| 17:12.58 | pgpkeys | at the most, use testing. it's a fair balance between the 'older' packages in stable, and slightly 'newer' packages in testing. bear in mind, that the packages in stable are a revision or 2 behind for one simple reason. if your codebase is a moving target, you're going to have a VERY hard time stabilizing it and securing it |
| 17:13.27 | azeem | Vorbote: how is this related to not advertising unstable? |
| 17:13.32 | hoxu | Aditya, hum, you want to install from DVDs to a computer with no DVD drive? :) |
| 17:13.33 | streuner | nollan_: well, use an official mirror (se.debian.org) |
| 17:13.44 | jerome | amphi: this laptop is supposed to be supported some how by s2ram however, I could not find any options combinaisons that makes it work better nor worse |
| 17:13.53 | nollan_ | streuner, oh, but ftp.sunet.se should be a mirror |
| 17:13.57 | Vorbote | azeem: you asked indirectly if I were a developer or a guru. |
| 17:14.03 | azeem | no |
| 17:14.04 | nollan_ | streuner, i'll try it though |
| 17:14.11 | azeem | Vorbote: pgpkeys said that |
| 17:14.17 | Aditya | hoxu: well... I mean, is there a way? I can dump the DVD iso's on that PC from lan |
| 17:14.44 | streuner | apis:/# ping -c1 ftp.se.debian.org |
| 17:14.44 | streuner | PING ftp.acc.umu.se (130.239.18.137) 56(84) bytes of data |
| 17:14.54 | Vorbote | azeem: OK. Have my eyes on too many things running here now. |
| 17:14.56 | azeem | Vorbote: and whether you (or I) run unstable is totally irrelevant; the fact that new users shouldn't run unstable is important here |
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| 17:15.51 | pgpkeys | azeem is correct. this channel is aimed at new users for the main. the reason why we don't support unstable is because it is exactly that. unstable. meaning it's most likely to break underneath you. |
| 17:16.11 | pgpkeys | and it might even be something no one here can fix, something the developers need to fix. |
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| 17:16.30 | amphi | jerome: uhuh - did you look on linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org for info on your model? |
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| 17:16.36 | Vorbote | Correct, and that's why I sufggested Sidux or the U. |
| 17:17.04 | pgpkeys | but this is a channel dedicated to debian, not sidux or ubuntu or even knoppix. |
| 17:17.05 | kaeptnb | Aditya: you could either plugin a usb-dvd and boot from that, or you can set up a pxe boot environment with tftp and dhcpd |
| 17:17.09 | azeem | Vorbote: you suggest unstable, *and/or* Sidux or Ubuntu |
| 17:17.11 | kaeptnb | i'd recommend the first |
| 17:17.13 | hoxu | Aditya, I think so, this might help: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 17:17.36 | pgpkeys | there is absolutely nothing wrong with stable. yes, the software is a revision or 2 behind, but as I said, this is for a purpose. |
| 17:17.46 | Aditya | kaeptnb: thanks for the suggestion... but can you elaborate? I am a little new to this |
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| 17:18.16 | jerome | amphi: hmm, good idea |
| 17:18.50 | pgpkeys | debian is NOT about latest and greatest. Get Fedora if you want that. Debian is about rock solid stability, excellent security, and excellent interdependancy (package wise) management |
| 17:19.01 | kaeptnb | Aditya: read http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 17:19.14 | hoxu | !tell Aditya about hd-media |
| 17:19.30 | stew | as far as i'm concerned, debian is about free software. the other stuff is just a bonus |
| 17:19.34 | Aditya | thanks |
| 17:19.38 | kaeptnb | np |
| 17:20.04 | jerome | amphi: no entries :/ |
| 17:20.13 | pgpkeys | stew in that case, any linux distribution (or even any of the *bsd family) would work :) |
| 17:20.24 | stew | not really |
| 17:20.24 | amphi | jerome: too new, eh? ;) |
| 17:20.40 | jerome | amphi: oldest are 2 years maybe |
| 17:20.40 | hoxu | http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 17:20.52 | pgpkeys | stew: well they all run GNU software which is 'free' |
| 17:20.57 | jerome | amphi: there are posts about it since 2006 |
| 17:21.07 | amphi | jerome: anything in your logs? |
| 17:21.18 | jerome | amphi: nope :/ |
| 17:21.18 | stew | pgpkeys: first not all gnu software is free, secondly, other run other non-gnu software which isn't. |
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| 17:21.37 | pgpkeys | stew: only if you add in non-free repositories |
| 17:21.55 | pgpkeys | *none* put non free software in the distribution by default that I know of. |
| 17:21.56 | amphi | jerome: generally, I only use hibernate in any case; suspend-to-ram does work here, as it happens |
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| 17:22.31 | stew | pgpkeys: sure they do |
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| 17:22.50 | hoxu | pgpkeys, maybe your definition of non-free and free is different from other people |
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| 17:22.56 | pgpkeys | stew like who? not even redhat which does whatever they like does that? what distribution does that except hacks? |
| 17:23.07 | pgpkeys | hoxu: that's plausible |
| 17:23.10 | stew | pgpkeys: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/nvidia-glx http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/gcc-doc |
| 17:23.12 | jerome | amphi: I got used to s@ram with my ibm x24 and macbook just by closing the lid |
| 17:23.19 | jerome | amphi: got addicted : |
| 17:23.23 | jerome | :/ |
| 17:23.24 | amphi | heh |
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| 17:24.40 | Mark17 | what is wrong with the following command: echo root:blaat | chroot /home/xen/tmp/test chpasswd (i did mount the root off a file system to /home/xen/tmp/test) |
| 17:24.59 | jerome | amphi: uwsusp packages seems unmaintained on sid anyway |
| 17:25.13 | azeem | Mark17: it's chroot which gets the echo as stdin, not chpasswd I guess |
| 17:25.13 | pgpkeys | stew: ahh they're not providing anything non free. you DID have to grab the source from nvidia on your own, put it on the system, tell it where the source was and it would compile the kmod for you |
| 17:25.15 | nollan_ | streuner, that didn't work - and if i recall it correctly ftp.sunet.se is listed at installation as a mirror |
| 17:25.25 | pgpkeys | far as I know that's *still* the way it works |
| 17:25.25 | azeem | I'm not sure whether chroot forwards stdin |
| 17:25.26 | nollan_ | streuner, so.. what can i do? |
| 17:25.27 | amphi | jerome: I've only used echo mem|disk > /sys/power/state |
| 17:25.43 | Mark17 | azeem: it says that chpasswd doesnt exists |
| 17:26.02 | azeem | Mark17: so check that |
| 17:26.03 | pgpkeys | and what's not free about gcc or it's documentation? |
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| 17:26.31 | hoxu | Mark17, sheesh, provide that kind of information on the first line -_- |
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| 17:27.19 | stew | pgpkeys: the source pacakge has a 93 mb upstream tarball. also see gcc-doc. also see pine (which you'll find in redhat) |
| 17:27.31 | stew | pgpkeys: gcc documentation is GFDL with invariant sections |
| 17:27.45 | stew | pgpkeys: meaninig you freedom to distribute modified copies is limited |
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| 17:28.05 | stew | pgpkeys: (which is why the gcc docuemntation isn't in debian) |
| 17:28.46 | streuner | nollan: use 2 lines, one for security and one for an official mirror |
| 17:29.02 | pgpkeys | stew: OK, so your meaning of nonfree means as in not completely opensourced, not as in beer, correct? |
| 17:29.15 | azeem | of course |
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| 17:29.26 | pgpkeys | and in a default install so you know, the nvidia tarball is *not* included |
| 17:29.26 | stew | pgpkeys: you should assume that in this channel the working definition of free is compliant with the dfsg (/msg dpkg dfsg) |
| 17:29.34 | azeem | pgpkeys: that's the only acceptable definition of free/non-free inhere |
| 17:29.51 | pgpkeys | i know what that is :). however, you have to check and make sure |
| 17:29.52 | nollan_ | streuner, sure. that is what i have now, and i've run 'apt-get update' to the new official mirror, but the package still doesn't exist |
| 17:29.55 | pgpkeys | not all follow that :) |
| 17:30.24 | streuner | nollan: hm, i cannot read swedish :-) |
| 17:30.29 | pipatron | can |
| 17:30.36 | nollan_ | streuner, :-) yea sorry.. |
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| 17:30.50 | pgpkeys | i can't read it, but i can usually parse through. |
| 17:30.55 | streuner | nollan_> streuner, http://paste.debian.net/51965 |
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| 17:31.06 | nollan_ | streuner, but it seems the package 'ganglia-webfrontend' doesn't exist - can you check if you have it? |
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| 17:31.15 | pgpkeys | be suprised (like german) how some languages are almost phonetic in nature |
| 17:31.15 | hoxu | !tell nollan_ about localized errors |
| 17:31.47 | streuner | !search |
| 17:31.48 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 17:32.00 | streuner | nollan_: check this out ^^^ |
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| 17:33.10 | streuner | How can someone tell cat to use a different language? |
| 17:33.30 | pipatron | Cats don't speak |
| 17:33.30 | nollan_ | streuner, i've tried apt-cache, but it returns nothing. |
| 17:33.38 | nollan_ | yea sorry about locale |
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| 17:33.41 | nollan_ | :/ |
| 17:34.04 | stew | nollan_: http://packages.debian.org/ganglia should tell you all debian packages with the name ganglio |
| 17:34.37 | streuner | hm, pdo is prolly down |
| 17:34.41 | stew | its not |
| 17:34.45 | Airbottle | hey, i have these rules in an iptables script: http://pastebin.com/m34f5eacc but my windowsxp box behind this debian computer doesnt want to connect to other windowsxp pc's on the lan network, it tells me that i dont have the rights or something, but the shares are public and accesible with debian, is there a problem with my iprules? |
| 17:35.17 | hoxu | stew, awfully slow if not down |
| 17:35.37 | stew | its not down |
| 17:36.17 | Airbottle | the iptables should allow everything |
| 17:36.20 | streuner | hm, i will Ganneff about... |
| 17:36.23 | streuner | tell* |
| 17:36.28 | kaeptnb | Airbottle: these rules cannot be the source of your problem; the permit absolutly everything one can permit |
| 17:36.28 | stew | Airbottle: yes, that will allow everything |
| 17:36.45 | nollan_ | i have tried packages.debian.org too.. but it says the package should be included in another package - which it isn't |
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| 17:36.58 | _apk | hi! |
| 17:37.06 | stew | nollan_: it says it was referred to by another package. not included in another package |
| 17:37.28 | stew | nollan_: which means that you have some package that expects it to exist. perhaps a 3rd party package? |
| 17:37.30 | streuner | nollan_: does packages.debian.org for you work? |
| 17:37.34 | nollan_ | stew, right |
| 17:37.48 | hoxu | streuner, looks like it's just slow, not down |
| 17:37.50 | nollan_ | streuner, yea, awfully slow though |
| 17:37.57 | _apk | i'm installing debian lenny on my eee-pc...can someone tell me what is inside the laptop "package", that I can select during install process? |
| 17:38.17 | hoxu | Airbottle, do you have ip forwarding enabled? |
| 17:38.21 | nollan_ | stew, it shouldn't be a 3rd party package.. :/ |
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| 17:38.51 | stew | _apk: http://paste.debian.net/51970 |
| 17:39.20 | _apk | thank you very much! |
| 17:39.44 | _apk | and in the desktop-package? |
| 17:39.54 | _apk | only X server, or also a wm? |
| 17:40.16 | nollan_ | sug: ganglia-webfrontend |
| 17:40.16 | nollan_ | Package not available |
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| 17:40.29 | nollan_ | thats what i found on the packages.debian.org |
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| 17:40.55 | stew | _apk: lots of stuff, x, a desktop environment (by default, gnome) with lots of gnome apps, a web browser, a chat application, word processor, etc |
| 17:40.58 | pgpkeys | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.04 | _apk | oh damn! |
| 17:41.05 | stew | pgpkeys: locales |
| 17:41.10 | pgpkeys | thanks |
| 17:41.13 | _apk | I have to stop the install... |
| 17:41.21 | _apk | thank you stew! :))) |
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| 17:42.29 | adamb | Anyone know of a traceroute flag that will ignore hosts that dont respond? the * * * * entries.. |
| 17:42.52 | streuner | !be man page barbie |
| 17:42.52 | dpkg | But man page is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 17:42.54 | pipatron | You can reduce the retries |
| 17:43.41 | streuner | adamb: read the man page for your own |
| 17:43.42 | mrglinux | for my problem ( not connect to ftplocalhost ) here http://www.unixguide.net/linux/faq/09.25.shtml written there should be an authorization file /etc/pam.d/ftp but in my system No such file or directory ?? |
| 17:43.47 | mike1o | _apk, where did u get the eee? |
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| 17:44.27 | stew | mrglinux: which ftp server are you using? |
| 17:44.45 | craigevil | _apk: there is a #debian-eeepc channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:44.58 | mrglinux | stew: proftpd |
| 17:45.03 | stew | mrglinux: most likely whatever you are looking at is either outdated or talking about a different distro |
| 17:45.09 | stew | mrglinux: does /etc/pam.d/proftpd exist? |
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| 17:45.31 | Supaplex | hummmm |
| 17:45.53 | mrglinux | stew yes |
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| 17:46.13 | stew | mrglinux: that is the file that would be used, not /etc/pam.d/ftp |
| 17:46.27 | mrglinux | stew hmm |
| 17:46.41 | pgpkeys | stew: dpkg-reconfigure locales and selecting utf8 automatically will change the global locale from latin1 to utf8 correct? what about postgresql or mysql. they need to do anything else other than a possible restart of the daemon(s) to make the change effective? |
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| 17:46.55 | abrotman | pgpkeys: pgsql has a different place |
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| 17:47.03 | pgpkeys | know it? |
| 17:47.14 | abrotman | /etc/postgresql/8.1/pg_hba.conf ... i think ? |
| 17:47.29 | abrotman | nope .. wrong |
| 17:47.42 | _apk | thank you craigevil...I didn't know :) |
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| 17:48.16 | stew | pgpkeys: mysql you'd set in /etc/mysql/my.cnf. and changing that setting will of course have no effect on existing databases/tables |
| 17:48.35 | abrotman | postgresql.conf it appears |
| 17:48.43 | abrotman | for some bits |
| 17:48.48 | pgpkeys | they need to read the mysql manual to change it on existing? |
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| 17:49.27 | pgpkeys | abrotman: ok, so multiple places, but start at postgresql.conf then |
| 17:49.37 | abrotman | pgpkeys: the pgsql stuff is well commented |
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| 17:49.47 | mrglinux | stew do you know what can i do to solve my problem in this file (if this file refer to my problem) http://phpfi.com/305678 <= is my /etc/pam.d/ftp config |
| 17:49.53 | abrotman | a dpkg-reconfigure of pgsql might also do it |
| 17:50.04 | pgpkeys | ok |
| 17:50.36 | abrotman | and let this be a lesson to you! |
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| 17:50.47 | stew | pgpkeys: yes, stuff like alter table foo default charset utf8 default collate utf8_general_ci; or some such, you can also change a particular column or database, or set the default |
| 17:51.08 | stew | mrglinux: what is the error you are getting? |
| 17:51.16 | stew | mrglinux: it is doubtful that pam is your problem |
| 17:51.33 | msan | mrglinux: I've got proftpd working fine with no file in /etc/pam.d |
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| 17:52.07 | stew | msan: you removed the file? |
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| 17:52.09 | versuchsanstalt | ns |
| 17:52.17 | versuchsanstalt | oops wrong window |
| 17:52.20 | pgpkeys | stew: much appreciated |
| 17:52.24 | pgpkeys | and you too abrotman |
| 17:52.28 | stew | de nada |
| 17:52.32 | mrglinux | stew: whein enter ftp localhost i get => Connected to debian.local.421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection -- i think it be doubtful |
| 17:52.58 | msan | stew: I didn't remove it and since its not there, I doubt it got installed. I'm using testing if that makes a diff ... |
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| 17:53.23 | stew | !find etc/pam.d/proftpd testing |
| 17:53.31 | desertwind | i'm getting the following error while mounting a dvd written in vista |
| 17:53.34 | desertwind | Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'UDF Volume'. |
| 17:53.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/pam.d/proftpd' (1): (/etc/pam.d/proftpd) in net/proftpd. |
| 17:53.38 | desertwind | any clues? |
| 17:53.39 | stew | msan: it would have been installed ^^^ |
| 17:53.49 | msan | hmm |
| 17:54.09 | msan | strange then ..... |
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| 17:54.22 | stew | mrglinux: i'd guess it is a problem with reverse dns lookup. have you looked for logfiles? |
| 17:54.29 | pipatron | desertwind: A lot of things shows up on google when I type that exact string |
| 17:54.57 | mrglinux | stew: i run in localhost ,,, |
| 17:54.58 | desertwind | yeah that is my problem even |
| 17:55.06 | desertwind | i tried a few links but no solution |
| 17:55.07 | mrglinux | stew: in my system not remote server |
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| 17:56.22 | stew | mrglinux: yes |
| 17:56.30 | msan | stew: ok seems like its not there because I've removed proftpd .. hmmm wonder when that happened ... |
| 17:56.35 | rjent | Greetings, if I want to be an informed sid user and not get bit by things coming in where should I hang out at to stay informed? |
| 17:57.01 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 17:57.01 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 17:57.06 | valdyn | !apt-listbugs |
| 17:57.06 | dpkg | apt-listbugs (aptitude install apt-listbugs) is available since at least Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <bts> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to prevent upgrades to any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>). |
| 17:57.10 | abrotman | rjent: subscribe to the mailing lists you find appropriate .. |
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| 17:59.15 | valdyn | rjent: sid users do get bit, there's not really a way around that |
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| 17:59.39 | valdyn | rjent: but theres users who can deal with any issue and users who cannot |
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| 18:00.32 | rjent | abrotman, valdyn: thanks for info. I like to try and stay sharp and I get through issues, just perhaps not as fast as some. ;) |
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| 18:02.15 | w3rd_ | hello |
| 18:02.19 | w3rd_ | could someone tell me |
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| 18:02.30 | w3rd_ | to download mysql server what is the command? |
| 18:02.38 | stew | w3rd_: aptitude install mysql-server |
| 18:02.41 | w3rd_ | sudo apt-get mysql-sever |
| 18:02.42 | w3rd_ | right |
| 18:02.43 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 18:02.48 | valdyn | !tell w3rd_ -about refcard |
| 18:02.54 | valdyn | !tell w3rd_ -about search |
| 18:03.05 | w3rd_ | i keep getting an error |
| 18:03.08 | w3rd_ | ?? |
| 18:03.15 | w3rd_ | its saying invalid operation |
| 18:03.18 | stew | w3rd_: no, apt-get needs an operation, like "install" or "remove" |
| 18:03.26 | w3rd_ | oh |
| 18:03.50 | valdyn | really, that confused me too when apt-get was added to debian/unstable |
| 18:04.28 | w3rd_ | stew: a moment ago i was trying to install apache-ssl and for some error came back, it says that sub-pprocess /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:04.32 | valdyn | i still wonder why its not just "apt" |
| 18:04.39 | w3rd_ | what is this ? |
| 18:04.52 | w3rd_ | or should i say how can i fix? |
| 18:04.57 | themill | valdyn: man 1 apt |
| 18:05.03 | stew | w3rd_: show us then entire transaction ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:05.11 | stew | valdyn: 'help alias' :) |
| 18:05.15 | w3rd_ | er... |
| 18:05.29 | valdyn | themill: i think apt-get might be older than apt |
| 18:05.29 | w3rd_ | im hyperterm into a netra t100 sparc server |
| 18:05.35 | w3rd_ | can i still copy and paste ... |
| 18:05.39 | valdyn | themill: but maybe it isnt.. |
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| 18:05.41 | w3rd_ | i dont know the commands... |
| 18:05.58 | themill | valdyn: probably.. |
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| 18:06.17 | stew | w3rd_: "apt-get install apache-ssl | tee /tmp/apt-get.log" will craete a log file which you can upload to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 18:06.28 | stew | err |
| 18:06.30 | w3rd_ | oh |
| 18:06.34 | stew | w3rd_: "apt-get install apache-ssl 2>&1 | tee /tmp/apt-get.log" will craete a log file which you can upload to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 18:06.45 | jugglinx_ | i just compile my kernel, but it dont show up when grub start, but its in menu.lst... :-S how i can do for see it? |
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| 18:06.59 | w3rd_ | let me see though, i just installed ssh server so i might be able to get in there and easily copy and paste |
| 18:07.03 | w3rd_ | just a moment |
| 18:07.10 | stew | w3rd_: or learn how copy and paste, which probably involves something like using 'mark' from the application menu in hyperterminal or whatever you are using |
| 18:07.27 | w3rd_ | yah i guess ill have to... |
| 18:07.32 | valdyn | jugglinx_: all you have to do is add it to menu.lst, if its still not showing then there could be a syntactical error in menu.lst |
| 18:08.14 | stew | jugglinx_: have you run "update-grub" ? |
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| 18:08.28 | w3rd_ | hey stew when will you have to use aptitude or apt-get how will you know |
| 18:08.29 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 18:08.34 | jugglinx_ | valdyn, its autoedited... i mean i installed with the .deb |
| 18:08.39 | stew | w3rd_: you can use either |
| 18:08.45 | valdyn | w3rd_: stick to aptitude, use aptitude when people tell you to use apt-get |
| 18:08.51 | jugglinx_ | stew, ehh nop... i will try that :) |
| 18:09.07 | w3rd_ | no doubt |
| 18:09.09 | mrglinux | i get bored |
| 18:09.11 | stew | w3rd_: aptitude is, in general, better. |
| 18:09.14 | w3rd_ | its more reliable |
| 18:09.15 | w3rd_ | i see.. |
| 18:09.17 | valdyn | w3rd_: its the officially recommended tool, but its newer than apt-get, people used to apt-get tend to stick to it |
| 18:09.17 | w3rd_ | gotcha |
| 18:09.24 | mqt | I just updated yesterday and now I get "(EE) Microsoft Natural? Ergonomic Keyboard 4000: AbsoluteTouch: 'DIGI_Touch' does not exist." in my logs. My keyboard is now all messed up. Anyone know what package that might be related to? |
| 18:09.26 | gkiagia | hello, I have an old computer where I installed debian testing and although the installation went through fine, I cannot boot. There are millions of lines of backtraces. this happens with other distros too. I tried old ubuntu and fedora. any ideas? |
| 18:09.26 | w3rd_ | hmmm |
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| 18:10.32 | themill | w3rd_: perhaps you could give us the output of this command too: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 18:10.37 | stew | gkiagia: you'd have to give us more information than just "my computer won't boot" for us to possibly be able to help you |
| 18:11.04 | jugglinx_ | stew, i think that make it work, thanks a lot... booting to the new kernel ( hopefully ) :) |
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| 18:12.32 | gkiagia | stew, it just shows millions of lines of backtraces and then stops. I tried acpi=off noapic nolapic and it does go better, at least I can use the magic sysrq when it stops showing bactraces. |
| 18:12.44 | gkiagia | there are some errors at the beggining |
| 18:12.56 | gkiagia | saying something about 8139cp not being suitable |
| 18:13.06 | gkiagia | and that I should use 8139too |
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| 18:13.29 | gkiagia | but the thing is that the installation cd boots and works fine!! |
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| 18:14.52 | jugglinx_ | stew, the kernel s still not there :-/ |
| 18:14.58 | w3rd_ | never mind i geuss i can copy and paste |
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| 18:15.04 | w3rd_ | just a moment and ill have the pastebin |
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| 18:16.37 | stew | jugglinx_: how did you install the kernel? |
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| 18:17.03 | akent813 | http://pastebin.com/m1a760968 |
| 18:17.06 | w3rd_ | hey guys thats my other computer |
| 18:17.17 | w3rd_ | sorry about the name... let me change my nick |
| 18:17.44 | w3rd_ | hah i guess that is close enough right |
| 18:17.45 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 18:17.51 | jugglinx_ | i follow the guide for the "debian way" but its my second compilation... maybe i should accept that a record of 2of 2 was too much for me, stew ;) |
| 18:18.12 | jim | w3rd_: so where do you think the failure is? |
| 18:18.28 | stew | w3rd_: its failing becuase "/etc/init.d/apache-ssl start" is failing? does running that command give an error? what about 'apachesslctl configtest' ? |
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| 18:18.53 | w3rd__ | that is what i dont really know i think that it might be my repos that im pulling from... i need to add something for dpkg to search i just dont know how to do that on debian |
| 18:18.54 | w3rd__ | ? |
| 18:19.10 | stew | w3rd_: err "apache-sslctl configtest" |
| 18:19.15 | jim | w3rd__: look at what you pasted, -read- it |
| 18:19.16 | w3rd_ | let me check... |
| 18:19.18 | w3rd_ | k |
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| 18:20.11 | jim | line 27: "Errors were encountered ...": not all that helpful, doesnt say what or where |
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| 18:20.20 | gkiagia | stew: about the hardware, it is a p4 3GHz, 512MB ram, nvidia gpu, intel chipset, and I guess the 8139too refers to the realtek 8139 fast ethernet nic. there is also a vax347s scsi controller, ac97 audio & internal intel gpu |
| 18:20.22 | jim | so, go back: |
| 18:20.43 | w3rd_ | stew: i ran the above listed command and it came back that the command isnt found? |
| 18:20.55 | mar77i | hi, how do I include source packages? I'd need ncurses.h... |
| 18:21.10 | stew | w3rd_: "/etc/init.d/apache-ssl start" returns command isnt' found? |
| 18:21.18 | w3rd_ | er... |
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| 18:21.31 | mar77i | the packet's called ncurses-dev, actually |
| 18:21.49 | w3rd_ | aprache-sslctl configtest returns command not found |
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| 18:21.50 | w3rd_ | ... |
| 18:21.54 | stew | mar77i: ncurses.h woudl be in libncurses5-dev (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 18:21.54 | w3rd_ | let me try the above |
| 18:21.56 | jim | lines 25 & 26, again, not much help, just says "an error happened" pretty much, so go back some more: |
| 18:22.10 | jim | w3rd_: you follo9wing this?? |
| 18:22.11 | stew | w3rd_: its apache-sslctl not aprache-sslctl |
| 18:22.32 | w3rd_ | oh sorry |
| 18:22.38 | w3rd_ | to much coffee |
| 18:22.39 | w3rd_ | ... |
| 18:22.43 | w3rd_ | typing to fast |
| 18:22.44 | w3rd_ | ... |
| 18:22.49 | jim | w3rd_: so you following this? |
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| 18:23.10 | jugglinx_ | stew, http://rafb.net/p/hL4B0F90.html (update grub output, just in case) |
| 18:23.20 | w3rd_ | yes... it looks like /etc/init.d/apache-ssl start just went to the next line so im assuming im good to try the update |
| 18:23.30 | w3rd_ | just a moment ill tell you what happens... |
| 18:23.37 | mar77i | stew, I found it, thx |
| 18:23.47 | jim | w3rd_: try dpkg --configure --pending |
| 18:23.47 | stew | w3rd_: its odd that it would work this time and not last. try "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 18:23.54 | w3rd_ | k |
| 18:24.10 | stew | jugglinx_: what command did you use to install your kernel? |
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| 18:24.24 | w3rd_ | just to let you guys know i got the same error... it looks like it failed install again... let me check the above commands |
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| 18:24.31 | stew | jugglinx_: dpkg -i..? "make install"? something else? |
| 18:24.38 | mar77i | I have ubuntu on another partition installed. how od I enable grub to boot both? |
| 18:24.44 | jim | stew: problem with packaging? dependent configs hand-edited inbetween? dns not set up properly? |
| 18:24.54 | jugglinx_ | stew, 1 sec.. |
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| 18:25.54 | stew | mar77i: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add options for your ubuntu install somehwere that is NOT inside the "DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" section |
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| 18:26.20 | jugglinx_ | stew, make menuconfig , make-kpkg clean, make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers, and then 2 dpkg -i |
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| 18:26.35 | mar77i | stew, hmm. thought you could give me a weblink? |
| 18:26.52 | stew | jugglinx_: and running "update-grub" doesn't list your new kernel as a "Found kernel"? |
| 18:27.04 | w3rd__ | hey guys |
| 18:27.08 | w3rd__ | i got these errors |
| 18:27.13 | w3rd__ | http://pastebin.com/m601bec08 |
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| 18:27.28 | jugglinx_ | yep, it found it... but still doesnt appears :S |
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| 18:27.49 | stew | w3rd_: try running "/etc/init.d/apache-ssl stop" then try "dpkg --configure -a" again |
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| 18:27.56 | w3rd_ | k |
| 18:28.06 | jugglinx_ | stew, http://rafb.net/p/hL4B0F90.html (update-grub output) |
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| 18:28.28 | nohup_ | although i think this is a gnome problem, i found this to be the only channel with people in it actually ever able to help me out, so i'll ask here... |
| 18:28.38 | jugglinx_ | hehe this looks like #debian-stew channel ;) |
| 18:28.46 | nohup_ | i have been googling for hours, and there's no working howto on how to get the euro sign to work |
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| 18:28.52 | nohup_ | not the font, but keyboard input |
| 18:29.23 | nohup_ | i'm running gnome on Xorg... i've set meta keys, compose keys, all kinds of key nonsense... but none of them do anything |
| 18:29.23 | w3rd_ | looks like im getting the same errors |
| 18:29.26 | gkiagia | stew: and to be exact, it is an ich5 chipset (just found it) |
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| 18:29.57 | pipatron | euro = e |
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| 18:30.17 | nohup_ | pipatron: no, e is e |
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| 18:30.19 | nohup_ | that'a s letter |
| 18:30.24 | rom | hi |
| 18:30.39 | stew | w3rd_: edit /etc/init.d/apache-ssl ; add a line after the first line, "set -x", save the file, then try "dpkg --configure -a" again |
| 18:30.53 | w3rd_ | k |
| 18:30.55 | rom | in md5sum/sha256sum, what's the difference between --binary and --text, it give the same sum, binary just adds a * before filename o_O |
| 18:31.01 | pipatron | nohup_: yes, letters are used for communicating ideas |
| 18:31.22 | nohup_ | pipatron: i was talking about an euro sign... not the letter e |
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| 18:32.30 | stew | w3rd_: that should make additional debugging information show up |
| 18:32.40 | stew | gkiagia: is there ANY kerenl that you can sucessfully boot? |
| 18:32.40 | rom | ?? |
| 18:33.02 | gkiagia | stew: yes, the debian testing installation cd boots fine |
| 18:33.18 | gkiagia | its linux-2.6.22-3-486 |
| 18:33.19 | Homere | I'm looking for a better syslogd with SSL, disk buffer, authentification and cheaper than $100/server (syslog-ng PE) |
| 18:33.26 | gkiagia | (quite old, I know...) |
| 18:33.43 | w3rd_ | how do you exit the file in vi, i hit ':q: and it wont let me edit, i try to override and it returns to the file? |
| 18:34.00 | w3rd_ | er ':q' |
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| 18:34.09 | nohup_ | oh well nm... maybe in some years it will work magically :) |
| 18:34.23 | pipatron | w3rd_: ':q!' |
| 18:34.26 | Absolute0 | How do i execute more than one command with find? |
| 18:34.29 | w3rd_ | oh after the command |
| 18:34.31 | w3rd_ | dur |
| 18:34.41 | w3rd_ | i was going ':!q' |
| 18:34.42 | w3rd_ | ty |
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| 18:35.02 | w3rd_ | yeah im a dur 2 dur |
| 18:35.08 | w3rd_ | ty again pipatron |
| 18:35.13 | mar77i | let's have .. a look. |
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| 18:35.26 | kaeptnb | Absolute0: -exec bla {} \; -exec blub {} \; |
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| 18:35.54 | jim | the second exec will run if the first exec returns success |
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| 18:36.04 | jim | (in that case) |
| 18:36.30 | stew | gkiagia: if you suspect the rtl8139 driver, you can blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:37.01 | stew | w3rd_: note that ':q!' will discard unsaved changes. ":wq" would save and quit instead |
| 18:37.12 | stew | w3rd_: you might find "nano" to be a friendlier editor |
| 18:37.17 | pipatron | stew: lies :P |
| 18:37.28 | stew | pipatron: what? |
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| 18:37.54 | jim | an exec will return success if the command it runs returns success. |
| 18:38.02 | w3rd_ | yah.. its ok, gotta get used to the good stuff... i pretty familiar with vi thus far, just been a while since i have used it... |
| 18:38.07 | jugglinx_ | i agree :) any hint about my missing kernel, stew ? |
| 18:38.16 | w3rd_ | does debian come with nano install by default |
| 18:38.16 | w3rd_ | ? |
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| 18:38.37 | jim | yes, right now nano is in the base |
| 18:38.47 | w3rd_ | oh |
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| 18:38.50 | w3rd_ | thats koo |
| 18:38.59 | jim | nano is tiny |
| 18:39.04 | w3rd_ | yah |
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| 18:40.10 | kaeptnb | jim: if thats a problem, you can do |
| 18:40.10 | kaeptnb | -exec sh -c "foo {}; bar {}" \; |
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| 18:40.34 | jim | kaeptnb: true enough |
| 18:40.38 | wald0 | anybody knows when exactly the file /etc/modules are readed by the init scripts to load the needed modules ? i want to put a init script to my system that adds modules to the list but i want to know if they are loaded after my script or i need to load them manually |
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| 18:41.21 | kaeptnb | wald0: grep for /etc/modules in /etc/init.d :) |
| 18:41.25 | jim | wald0: does this list change every boot? |
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| 18:42.54 | jim | wald0: are you paying attention? |
| 18:43.26 | Supaplex | symlinks /etc/modules to /dev/urandom for wald0 ;) |
| 18:43.29 | Skiver | i wish there's rss in packages.debian.org |
| 18:44.39 | gkiagia | ah, ok, problem solved. |
| 18:44.41 | jim | Skiver: what have you found so far? |
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| 18:45.03 | gkiagia | it was the onboard vga causing the problem... wierd |
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| 18:46.13 | jim | gkiagia: do you have another video card? |
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| 18:46.27 | xjkx | do you know a mouse macro that runs on linux ? |
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| 18:46.59 | gkiagia | yes there is an nvidia 6200 on the agp port and an onboard intel |
| 18:46.59 | w3rd_ | well my ssh server is working |
| 18:47.01 | w3rd_ | ... |
| 18:47.22 | gkiagia | I was using the nvidia and the kernel crashed, I switched to the intel and it works |
| 18:47.29 | pipatron | xjkx: http://xkcd.com/196/ |
| 18:47.33 | gkiagia | seems like this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/53007 |
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| 18:47.39 | Cle0 | debian worck good on laptops? |
| 18:47.58 | pipatron | Cle0: yes |
| 18:48.16 | jim | Cle0: yeah, works fine on lots of laptops... |
| 18:48.34 | jim | you looking to buy a laptop now to run debian on? |
| 18:48.44 | Cle0 | i have it a long time on my laptops and i have some Problems |
| 18:48.57 | pipatron | Problems with a big P |
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| 18:49.06 | jim | well |
| 18:49.11 | Cle0 | so i want to ask if all have this Problems or just lme |
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| 18:49.30 | pipatron | What problems? |
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| 18:49.51 | jim | so far, it's just you... you have not told (specifically and in detail) what the problems are |
| 18:50.29 | xjkx | pipatron, lol |
| 18:51.36 | Cle0 | wifi, mouse |
| 18:51.44 | Cle0 | vga |
| 18:51.45 | Cle0 | :P |
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| 18:51.52 | Cle0 | jim |
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| 18:52.09 | pipatron | Cle0: Step one is to use a laptop without any proprietary hardware that doesn't have any drivers |
| 18:52.20 | w3rd_ | hey guys i keep getting an error that indicates that the file that im trying it not open for writing even if i :wq! |
| 18:52.33 | w3rd_ | is there a way to change the file or do i have to chmod the file? |
| 18:52.47 | pipatron | chmod |
| 18:52.51 | w3rd_ | oh |
| 18:52.55 | mitchell | cmod 777 |
| 18:52.58 | w3rd_ | right |
| 18:53.03 | mitchell | chmod 777 |
| 18:53.28 | amphi | Cle0: what video card, wifi? |
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| 18:54.12 | Cle0 | now my laptop worck very fine:) i don't have just the wifi driver and my mouse is two slow |
| 18:54.18 | amphi | 777?? |
| 18:54.34 | amphi | Cle0: _what_ wireless card is it? |
| 18:54.41 | mitchell | read writ execute for all users |
| 18:54.41 | rio | what does debian use the group "ssh" for? i wanted to create a group whose users are allowed to connect via ssh, and the group already existet |
| 18:55.03 | Cle0 | amphi give me the command plz to know wich card i have |
| 18:55.15 | mitchell | lspci |
| 18:55.39 | w3rd_ | http://pastebin.com/m74e1af80 |
| 18:55.53 | mitchell | id you work? |
| 18:56.02 | w3rd_ | stew: that is the error that i got after i edited /etc/init.d/apache-ssl |
| 18:56.03 | amphi | Cle0: 'lspci | grep -i wireless' might extract the line |
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| 18:56.32 | mitchell | ye amphi that right |
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| 18:58.03 | cleo_ | ampki 01:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 18:58.11 | cleo_ | amphi |
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| 18:58.48 | pipatron | Good enough card |
| 18:58.50 | amphi | !tell cleo_ about ipw2200 |
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| 19:00.38 | cleo_ | amphi and my synaptic mause why it is to slow |
| 19:00.54 | jim | dunno. how can you find out? |
| 19:00.57 | amphi | cleo_: no idea - you may be able to adjust it with xset |
| 19:01.23 | amphi | cleo_: or perhaps your DE has some mouse configuration GUI thing |
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| 19:01.57 | cleo_ | i will look for a good idee to set up this mause |
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| 19:01.59 | cleo_ | thanks |
| 19:02.49 | jim | cleo_: I like to run an external trackball |
| 19:03.24 | w3rd_ | anybody have any ideas ... http://pastebin.com/m74e1af80 |
| 19:03.26 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 19:03.32 | cleo_ | jim what trackball is |
| 19:03.46 | jim | ball on top |
| 19:03.49 | n0mad | bonobo-activation-server - why it is on my system, what he is doing ? |
| 19:05.07 | davedorm | ok |
| 19:05.10 | stew | w3rd_: what happens when you run "env -i LANG=C PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/apache-ssl.pid --exec /usr/sbin/apache-ssl --oknodo ; echo $?" |
| 19:05.12 | davedorm | need help |
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| 19:05.17 | stew | w3rd_: do you get a "0" or a "1" |
| 19:05.19 | davedorm | just installed #debian |
| 19:05.22 | davedorm | debian' |
| 19:05.22 | w3rd_ | let me check.. |
| 19:05.23 | asg | haha |
| 19:05.44 | davedorm | and my sd card reader is broadcasting status messages on every tty |
| 19:05.49 | davedorm | hoe can I shut it up |
| 19:05.55 | asg | davedorm: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 19:05.56 | davedorm | it's amnnoying |
| 19:05.58 | w3rd_ | stew: it went to the next line |
| 19:06.08 | w3rd_ | i receive no feedback |
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| 19:07.00 | jim | w3rd_: did you get a blank line? |
| 19:07.03 | w3rd_ | eys |
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| 19:07.04 | w3rd_ | yes |
| 19:07.05 | w3rd_ | * |
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| 19:08.17 | stew | w3rd_: it must have given you a number like 0 or 1 or something |
| 19:08.27 | tuv | what is a simple and easy ftp server? |
| 19:08.31 | pipatron | tuv: vsftd |
| 19:08.37 | pipatron | tuv: vsftpd |
| 19:08.38 | w3rd_ | no just a blank line... and then went to the next prompt |
| 19:08.39 | w3rd_ | .. |
| 19:08.45 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 19:08.50 | w3rd_ | should i try it again? |
| 19:09.02 | stew | w3rd_: yes, but this time, use the exact line i gave you |
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| 19:09.46 | w3rd_ | i copied and pasted the last one |
| 19:09.47 | w3rd_ | ... |
| 19:09.47 | w3rd_ | so. |
| 19:09.55 | stew | w3rd_: and actually you should probably run "/etc/init.d/apache-ssl stop" first |
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| 19:10.07 | w3rd_ | i did... |
| 19:10.18 | stew | w3rd_: no, you didn't copy the entire line i gave you last time, becuase it didn't output the value or $? |
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| 19:10.24 | stew | 'value OF $?" |
| 19:10.37 | w3rd_ | let me try it again... |
| 19:10.54 | xjkx | pipatron, do you know how he did that ? like move the mouse pointer ? :> |
| 19:11.00 | pipatron | xjkx: No idea. |
| 19:11.16 | pipatron | xjkx: Any particular reason you want to do that? |
| 19:12.08 | w3rd_ | well this time i got the $ |
| 19:12.08 | tuv | pipatron, is that a general suggestion or is vsftpd supposed to be 'simple'? |
| 19:12.08 | xjkx | Some gui softwares i want to not repeat things |
| 19:12.09 | w3rd_ | stew: didnt get a 1 or 0? |
| 19:12.13 | pipatron | tuv: Depends of course what you mean with 'simple'. |
| 19:12.31 | stew | w3rd_: what number did you get? |
| 19:12.37 | w3rd_ | i didnt get a number |
| 19:12.38 | w3rd_ | ... |
| 19:12.45 | stew | w3rd_: what commands did you run? |
| 19:12.53 | w3rd_ | sudo env -i LANG=C PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/apache-ssl.pid --exec /usr/sbin/apache-ssl --oknodo ; echo $ |
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| 19:13.15 | tuv | pipatron, usually i use ssh/sftp, but i found it much slower than the connection bandwidth. so just looking for a convenient temporary replacement (got a large file) |
| 19:13.41 | stew | yeah |
| 19:13.59 | pipatron | tuv: Then you want netcat |
| 19:14.03 | w3rd_ | is that a good thing? |
| 19:14.13 | stew | no |
| 19:14.19 | w3rd_ | oh... |
| 19:14.25 | stew | w3rd_: i mean its bad that you aren't using the commands i gave you |
| 19:14.28 | tuv | pipatron, actually i started by looking for inet's built-in ftp server, but didn't find one in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 19:14.30 | stew | but whatever |
| 19:14.43 | w3rd_ | i copied that directly from the chat.... |
| 19:14.51 | w3rd_ | what command should i be using? |
| 19:15.13 | w3rd_ | im not sure... did i miss something? |
| 19:15.21 | stew | 15:05 < stew> w3rd_: what happens when you run "env -i LANG=C PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/apache-ssl.pid --exec /usr/sbin/apache-ssl --oknodo ; echo $?" |
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| 19:15.54 | w3rd_ | k... im not logged in as root... and it complains that i need to have root access when i run without sudo.... |
| 19:16.03 | w3rd_ | so i copied and pasted the exactly |
| 19:16.04 | w3rd_ | env -i LANG=C PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/apache-ssl.pid --exec /usr/sbin/apache-ssl --oknodo ; echo $ |
| 19:16.14 | w3rd_ | and added sudo... to run it as root... |
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| 19:17.02 | w3rd_ | apache-ssl: could not open error log file /var/log/apache-ssl/error.log |
| 19:17.09 | w3rd_ | that is the error that comes back without sudo |
| 19:17.20 | w3rd_ | fopen: permission denied |
| 19:17.21 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 19:17.33 | w3rd_ | chmod that file? |
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| 19:19.20 | davedorm | that sis nothing |
| 19:19.24 | davedorm | did nothing |
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| 19:19.37 | sandsmark | why is backports.org down? |
| 19:19.38 | davedorm | still getting a screen full of crap every 7 seconds |
| 19:19.43 | stew | w3rd_: "su" would change to a root shell. if you have full access with sudo, "sudo su" would also |
| 19:20.17 | w3rd_ | i think that i disabled root access... the system is only letting me access root via sudo, how do i enable su - |
| 19:20.18 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 19:20.31 | sandsmark | w3rd_: passwd root |
| 19:20.35 | sandsmark | sudo passwd root |
| 19:20.35 | w3rd_ | k |
| 19:20.35 | stew | no |
| 19:20.39 | stew | wait |
| 19:20.41 | w3rd_ | k |
| 19:20.43 | sandsmark | or usermod -U root |
| 19:20.47 | sandsmark | sudo usermod etc |
| 19:20.52 | stew | w3rd_: why doesnt' "sudo su" work? |
| 19:20.54 | sandsmark | though passwd should fix it |
| 19:21.00 | w3rd_ | i didnt try let me check |
| 19:21.09 | w3rd_ | that works fine |
| 19:21.10 | stew | sandsmark: how did he disable root? |
| 19:21.25 | w3rd_ | its in the install to disable root login access |
| 19:21.34 | stew | w3rd_: is this debian? |
| 19:21.35 | w3rd_ | there is an option to diable |
| 19:21.37 | w3rd_ | yes |
| 19:21.39 | sandsmark | stew: probably with usermod -L (that's how I did it, though) |
| 19:21.44 | w3rd_ | its debian |
| 19:21.48 | sandsmark | *did/would do it |
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| 19:22.04 | w3rd_ | im at a root terminal.... |
| 19:22.08 | w3rd_ | now n e wayz |
| 19:22.15 | sandsmark | w3rd_: run usermod -U root |
| 19:22.20 | sandsmark | w3rd_: and then passwd root |
| 19:22.23 | sandsmark | and set a new password |
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| 19:22.32 | stew | sandsmark: why should he? |
| 19:22.40 | w3rd_ | but do i want to do that.. or can i leave it the way it is and just use sudo su |
| 19:22.41 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 19:22.45 | wald0 | sorry jim, im back, and its solved, thanks (kaeptnb|jim) |
| 19:22.50 | stew | w3rd_: i don't see any reason to do that |
| 19:22.59 | w3rd_ | for security reasons i hear its better to have it disabled |
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| 19:23.06 | w3rd_ | ya me either |
| 19:23.08 | sandsmark | w3rd_: do you have sshd running? |
| 19:23.12 | w3rd_ | yes |
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| 19:23.24 | sandsmark | then don't do it, or explicitly disable root logins from ssh |
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| 19:23.26 | w3rd_ | i will disable that too once i config the serviers |
| 19:23.33 | w3rd_ | i see... |
| 19:23.39 | w3rd_ | servers* |
| 19:23.45 | wolfsbane | Hey, how do I install java run-time environment on this damn thing? |
| 19:23.50 | rkeene | I'm attempting to install Debian 4.0r3, is there any way to do this without going through the "Partitions Disks" step ? I have already setup the partitions as I need them (and this GUI seems to hate that, btw) |
| 19:23.51 | sandsmark | w3rd_: but I prefer to have a root password, even though it's just 20+ characters long and written on paper somewhere |
| 19:24.00 | w3rd_ | if i can ever get around to now being a n00b, haha... |
| 19:24.03 | tuv | hmm.. ftp is just as fast as sftp, or slightly faster. why can't they use the whole bandwidth? |
| 19:24.04 | sandsmark | ;) |
| 19:24.09 | stew | wolfsbane: which java run-time environment? the non-free one from sun or a free one (or some other)? |
| 19:24.09 | w3rd_ | haha |
| 19:24.11 | w3rd_ | yah |
| 19:24.19 | wolfsbane | a free one |
| 19:24.39 | wolfsbane | thanks |
| 19:24.47 | valdyn | tuv: who is "they" ? |
| 19:24.57 | tuv | valdyn, ftp and sftp |
| 19:25.05 | stew | wolfsbane: aptitude install java-gcj-compat |
| 19:25.19 | valdyn | tuv: backbone congestion? how would we know? |
| 19:25.20 | w3rd_ | stew: im still getting no output when i enter the command that your requested.... |
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| 19:25.24 | pipatron | tuv: sftp is CPU-limited |
| 19:25.29 | w3rd_ | even logged in as root |
| 19:25.34 | pipatron | tuv: Ah, now I know what you mean |
| 19:25.35 | stew | 15:05 < stew> w3rd_: what happens when you run "env -i LANG=C PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/apache-ssl.pid --exec /usr/sbin/apache-ssl --oknodo ; echo $?" |
| 19:25.41 | wolfsbane | whats java-gcj-compact? |
| 19:25.52 | valdyn | wolfsbane: read the package description? |
| 19:25.53 | Wingard | I need an application to open a .swf file, anyone know of one? |
| 19:25.57 | w3rd_ | that is what im running right now and i just get an echo that returns the $ |
| 19:25.58 | stew | wolfsbane: a free java runtime from gnu that uses gij |
| 19:26.16 | sandsmark | Wingard: gnash |
| 19:26.21 | stew | w3rd_: you aren't copying the entire command, you are truncating it |
| 19:26.30 | w3rd_ | how is that |
| 19:26.32 | w3rd_ | .... |
| 19:26.34 | w3rd_ | debian:/# env -i LANG=C PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/apache-ssl.pid --exec /usr/sbin/apache-ssl --oknodo ; echo $ |
| 19:26.35 | w3rd_ | $ |
| 19:26.35 | w3rd_ | debian:/# |
| 19:26.44 | stew | w3rd_: best of luck to you |
| 19:26.47 | sandsmark | w3rd_: there's a ? at the end |
| 19:26.52 | sandsmark | or should be, anyways |
| 19:27.01 | sandsmark | echo $? |
| 19:27.10 | wolfsbane | what was it again? java-gji-compact? |
| 19:27.16 | sandsmark | compat |
| 19:27.18 | w3rd_ | oh... |
| 19:27.25 | w3rd_ | im sorry about that stew sandsmark |
| 19:27.28 | w3rd_ | let me try it again |
| 19:27.33 | Wingard | I think you misunderstood me, probably my fault. I need something to run a .swf file outside of my browser, gnash won't work for that. |
| 19:27.34 | w3rd_ | im sorry about that... didnt see my erorr |
| 19:27.50 | sandsmark | Wingard: adobe has a standalone player included in their package |
| 19:28.01 | wolfsbane | it says it couldn't find package java-gji-compat |
| 19:28.05 | sandsmark | Wingard: see their download package |
| 19:28.06 | w3rd_ | stew: this time i got a 1 |
| 19:28.18 | Wingard | sandsmark: Where can I find it? |
| 19:28.50 | sandsmark | http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux |
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| 19:29.34 | tuv | pipatron, if the problem is that sftp is cpu-limited, why is ftp just as fast? |
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| 19:30.13 | darlia | i am trying to compile php4 under debian and get error in configure: configure: error: PNG support requires ZLIB. Use --with-zlib-dir=<DIR> - What debian package do i need? i installed libpng and libjpeg and zlib1g-dev |
| 19:30.34 | themill | darlia: is there a reason you are trying to compile php4? |
| 19:31.22 | stew | Wingard: gnash will run .swf outside of your browser |
| 19:31.51 | stew | wolfsbane: java-gcj-compat ; "apt-cache showpkg java2-runtime" will list the pacakges which provide a java runtime |
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| 19:32.29 | Wingard | sandsmark, do you know the directory that IceWeasel is installed in by default? |
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| 19:33.25 | abrotman | Wingard: dpkg -L iceweasel |
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| 19:35.41 | Wingard | Alright, one last question. What's the name of the application for launching .swf files, as it doesn't appear to make itself the default for opening .swf files. |
| 19:35.51 | stew | Wingard: gnash |
| 19:35.59 | sandsmark | Wingard: you have to run it from a terminal, afaik |
| 19:36.04 | w3rd_ | sandsmark: is there a chance that you know what the out put for 'env -i LANG=C PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/apache-ssl.pid --exec /usr/sbin/apache-ssl --oknodo ; echo $? ' means if it returns a 1? |
| 19:36.25 | sandsmark | w3rd_: I guess it means it failed to start the daemon |
| 19:36.40 | w3rd_ | so 0 means that it has started successfully? |
| 19:36.46 | sandsmark | yeah |
| 19:36.54 | Wingard | What's the command? |
| 19:36.56 | w3rd_ | what would cause the daemon from starting? |
| 19:37.04 | sandsmark | w3rd_: look in the log files |
| 19:37.04 | w3rd_ | is there a way to force it to start? |
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| 19:37.09 | sandsmark | /var/log/apache* |
| 19:37.13 | w3rd_ | k... |
| 19:38.15 | rkeene | I'm attempting to install Debian 4.0r3, is there any way to do this without going through the "Partitions Disks" step ? I have already setup the partitions as I need them... |
| 19:38.37 | w3rd_ | i dont think that i have a file that is set for apache, i have a file named apache-ssl, however there is nothing in the contents of the file? |
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| 19:38.56 | helo | rkeene: it still needs to know the mount points for each partition you have |
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| 19:39.40 | rkeene | helo, Right, and I want to tell it that but without the "Partition Disks" step |
| 19:39.53 | abrotman | rkeene: just don't change the partitions |
| 19:39.58 | abrotman | rkeene: just tell it the mountpoints |
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| 19:40.22 | rkeene | abrotman, It seems to want me to partition "hda1" (which is a partition!) |
| 19:40.24 | abrotman | rkeene: and alternately .. don't format them if you don't want that either |
| 19:40.31 | abrotman | rkeene: uh .. not likely |
| 19:40.48 | rkeene | abrotman, I can take a screenshot :-) |
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| 19:40.53 | abrotman | go for it! |
| 19:41.32 | pipatron | Ok, now I have a question: I just installed a debian etch system and been playing around with NFSv4 on it, and now I realize that I have 12 listening ports, but there are no processes connected with them, and no apparent kernel threads: http://rafb.net/p/kbzdiC47.html |
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| 19:41.50 | pipatron | How do I find out who is listening? |
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| 19:42.06 | pipatron | No one on the whole internet seem to know, according to google |
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| 19:42.18 | abrotman | pipatron: fuser -n tcp port# ? |
| 19:42.29 | valdyn | pipatron: its your nfs kernel server |
| 19:42.29 | pipatron | abrotman: Returns nothing |
| 19:42.36 | valdyn | pipatron: no idea how to list that though |
| 19:42.37 | abrotman | pipatron: blame portmap ? |
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| 19:42.45 | valdyn | pipatron: probably somewhere in /proc |
| 19:42.49 | pipatron | abrotman: That's easy, I hate portmap |
| 19:43.02 | pipatron | valdyn: But I've stopped all nfs-kernel-server stuff |
| 19:43.04 | macafe | How I can see how much space of swap disk I have in my server debian 4.0? |
| 19:43.06 | w3rd_ | im a n00b, apache-ssl is a directory... i got the error log output... |
| 19:43.21 | valdyn | pipatron: its obviously not stopped |
| 19:43.22 | pipatron | macafe: 'free' |
| 19:43.27 | abrotman | pipatron: is that even a debian box ? |
| 19:43.35 | w3rd_ | http://pastebin.com/m20907c1a |
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| 19:43.39 | pipatron | abrotman: Yes, debian etch, installed yesterday |
| 19:43.41 | valdyn | pipatron: stopping a service does not imply killing existing connections |
| 19:43.43 | rkeene | abrotman, http://www.rkeene.org/tmp/debian-being-silly/ |
| 19:43.58 | pipatron | valdyn: There has never been any connections to those ports |
| 19:44.06 | valdyn | pipatron: i.e. try stopping ssh while you are using it |
| 19:44.16 | abrotman | rkeene: i feel sad for you .. you made it pretty |
| 19:44.20 | w3rd_ | i guess apache has no ssl cert? |
| 19:44.26 | rkeene | abrotman, Hmm ? |
| 19:45.02 | stew | pipatron: does "rpcinfo -p localhost" account for any of those ports? |
| 19:45.17 | abrotman | rkeene: uhm .. i think you're misunderstanding what's being presented |
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| 19:45.36 | pipatron | stew: Nope |
| 19:46.17 | rkeene | abrotman, When I click on "IDE1 master, partition #1 (hda1)" it wants me to create a partition table... |
| 19:46.26 | valdyn | rkeene: why is that silly? |
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| 19:46.36 | abrotman | rkeene: it wants you to tell it what that partition is |
| 19:46.42 | odder | whoa |
| 19:46.44 | rkeene | valdyn, Because putting a partition table on a partition is silly |
| 19:46.53 | valdyn | rkeene: but you can do it |
| 19:46.57 | rkeene | valdyn, Usually you put partition tables on the disk |
| 19:47.05 | valdyn | rkeene: no |
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| 19:47.08 | rkeene | valdyn, I never said it was IMPOSSIBLE, just that it was silly |
| 19:47.14 | valdyn | rkeene: that may be true for ms-dos |
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| 19:47.19 | abrotman | rkeene: that's not what it's telling you anyways |
| 19:47.26 | valdyn | rkeene: linux puts partition tables on any block device of your choice |
| 19:47.28 | rkeene | It's not very USEFUL, since Linux looks at the MBR for the partition table. |
| 19:47.34 | abrotman | rkeene: your hda has only one partition ? |
| 19:47.38 | rkeene | abrotman, Yes |
| 19:47.47 | abrotman | rkeene: so the whole drive is 10GB? |
| 19:47.51 | rkeene | abrotman, Yes |
| 19:47.53 | abrotman | 10.3 .. wahtever |
| 19:48.13 | abrotman | rkeene: right .. so it's telling you that your single 10.3GB partition is now / .. |
| 19:48.19 | abrotman | it's not asking you to partition it |
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| 19:48.30 | tudon | hmm redelijk filmpje trage site zeg ik ga ff koffie zette en patat bakke |
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| 19:48.38 | rkeene | abrotman, No, it's telling me that partition 1 of hda1 (which it calls "hda1p1") is now / |
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| 19:48.51 | pipatron | tudon: ok |
| 19:48.54 | tudon | sry wrong screen |
| 19:48.55 | rkeene | abrotman, As you can see from picture #8 ( http://www.rkeene.org/tmp/debian-being-silly/Image_debian-being-silly-8.png.html ) |
| 19:49.00 | coventry | Is there a way to determine which packages depend on a given package? |
| 19:49.05 | abrotman | rkeene: yes .. sorry .. you're right .. |
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| 19:49.13 | abrotman | coventry: apt-cache depends/rdepends |
| 19:49.25 | coventry | Thanks. |
| 19:49.27 | abrotman | rkeene: i think you went one screen too far .. |
| 19:49.44 | coventry | quit |
| 19:49.50 | tuv | i guess it's a vpn thing. uploading from the machine behind the vpn is much faster than downloading from it! |
| 19:49.51 | abrotman | rkeene: when you do the installation .. there's a part where it presents partitions to you .. you can configure them |
| 19:50.17 | rkeene | I'll start over, and take some more screenshots. |
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| 19:50.34 | abrotman | back so soon ? |
| 19:51.05 | pgpkeys | rkeene: hey hey. LONG time no talk! how goes it man? |
| 19:51.29 | pipatron | It's not going very well for rkeene :( |
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| 19:52.23 | pgpkeys | he's good people. known him for years. haven't seen him in some time |
| 19:52.27 | rkeene | pgpkeys, It's going fine... thinking about moving my mail servers over to Debian :-P |
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| 19:52.33 | odder | I've just had a look on the Debian Installation Manual, and looks like there's no Polish manual for that... |
| 19:52.45 | odder | would a translation be needed? how do you think? |
| 19:52.48 | action09 | oy |
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| 19:53.03 | valdyn | rkeene: file a bug report, this shouldnt be possible in d-i imo, as to avoid confusion |
| 19:53.09 | abrotman | odder: if you'd like |
| 19:53.13 | pgpkeys | rkeene: nice. would definitely do the job |
| 19:53.32 | valdyn | rkeene: ( though i use this feature myself ) |
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| 19:53.40 | abrotman | odder: there might even be a polish translation team |
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| 19:55.51 | odder | abrotman: I doubt it, I've just seen a pl installation manual for potato, and looks like there's no newer version... |
| 19:55.57 | kdub432 | so i want to make a .deb package for personal use, but whenever i go to install it, it complains that there are unmet dependancies. how do i get dpkg to go out and fetch these dependancies by itself? they are in the control file.... |
| 19:56.01 | surfdue | Hello! I have a very easy question yet I dont know how to accomplish it, I have php4 and 5 and by default ./php runs 4 and php5 is loated in /usr/bin/php5 how can i create a shortcut in one directory only where./php is php5 |
| 19:56.03 | abrotman | coventry: please don't msg me |
| 19:56.16 | Pyro | anybody here know the name of the extension for iceweasel/firefox to bluff sites into thinking I'm using a different browser and OS? |
| 19:56.34 | valdyn | kdub432: you dont, dpkg cant do that, run "aptitude -f install" after "dpkg -i <package>" |
| 19:56.48 | valdyn | kdub432: however that will only really do what you want if dependencies can be fullfilled |
| 19:56.53 | abrotman | odder: http://i18n.debian.net/wiki |
| 19:57.09 | kdub432 | valdyn: thanks, i hope this helps |
| 19:57.14 | rkeene | abrotman, http://www.rkeene.org/tmp/debian-being-silly-2/ |
| 19:57.27 | coventry | abrotman: Sorry, I thought that's what you were doing. I need to get a better handle on bitchx's interface. One line shows "(abrotman/#debian) back so soon ?" and that's how I interpreted it. |
| 19:57.28 | odder | abrotman: oh, thanks, I haven't even heard about that wiki ;) |
| 19:57.33 | abrotman | coventry: use irssi |
| 19:57.43 | kdub432 | valdyn: is this really how its supposed to work though? do i have a 'broken package' or something? |
| 19:57.45 | rkeene | abrotman, So... there's no way to just tell the installer to use "/dev/hda1" as "/" ? |
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| 19:57.54 | coventry | Thanks for the recommendation. I'll look into it. |
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| 19:58.03 | valdyn | kdub432: its supposed to work like that for package that are not in a repository |
| 19:58.03 | abrotman | rkeene: are you using expert mode? |
| 19:58.13 | rkeene | abrotman, Not as far as I know. |
| 19:58.17 | chops | kdub432: Making an apt repo and letting your users pull from that is the solution (instead of sending around .debs and asking people to use dpkg -i) |
| 19:58.35 | valdyn | kdub432: dpkg only does what it does. apt-get/aptitude only use the repositories, not .deb files directly. |
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| 19:59.14 | valdyn | kdub432: creating a repository is not that tricky. |
| 19:59.15 | abrotman | rkeene: send me the machine .. i'll fix it :) |
| 19:59.29 | kdub432 | valdyn: chops, thanks for the help. this has been bothering me for a while now. |
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| 19:59.35 | abrotman | rkeene: some of those questions you're being asked are a bit odd . which ISO did oyu use? |
| 19:59.39 | kdub432 | looks up how to set up a repository.... |
| 19:59.51 | pipatron | rkeene: I did exactly what you want to do yesterday, there was no problems |
| 19:59.51 | rkeene | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 167313408 2008-02-18 08:16 debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:59.59 | pipatron | ekix: It's probably your fault :P |
| 20:00.02 | pipatron | eh |
| 20:00.10 | pipatron | rkeene: It's probably your fault :P |
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| 20:00.35 | abrotman | rkeene: i'm goign with .. "weird" .. |
| 20:00.35 | rkeene | pipatron, I have no doubt that it's due to my setup, but my question wasn't that difficult :-P |
| 20:00.50 | rkeene | abrotman, Zeroing the disk right now to try again. |
| 20:01.34 | abrotman | rkeene: i |
| 20:01.42 | abrotman | rkeene: i'm guessing the other disk is where you want to store mail ? |
| 20:01.51 | rkeene | "The other disk" ? |
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| 20:01.58 | rkeene | There's only "hda1" and "hdc" |
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| 20:02.02 | abrotman | i see a 160GB disk there |
| 20:02.06 | abrotman | or 140 .. whatever |
| 20:02.09 | rkeene | That's a 160MB disk |
| 20:02.13 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 20:02.26 | rkeene | (The CD-ROM) |
| 20:02.31 | abrotman | rkeene: ah .. so it is .. |
| 20:02.57 | abrotman | rkeene: what happens if you don't do all that junk messing with kernel modules? |
| 20:03.09 | rkeene | This system will never store mail for very long, it's a perimeter mail server -- passes mail internally to the myriad of mail servers we run on base. |
| 20:03.30 | rkeene | Then it can't find the CD-ROM and it complains about that. |
| 20:03.31 | abrotman | ok |
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| 20:08.20 | ZirdKust | hi up I'm having problems with compiz-fusion, they tell me that you could help me about finding correct debian repositories, |
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| 20:08.51 | stew | ZirdKust: what version of debian areyou running |
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| 20:09.24 | stew | man, i spent time today switching a site from utf8 to latin1, how backwards |
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| 20:11.11 | themill | dpkg: comfort stew |
| 20:11.11 | dpkg | There, there, stew. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 20:11.54 | stew | thank god its friday. i'd probably kill myself if i had to work again tomorrow |
| 20:12.07 | asg | !thursday |
| 20:12.07 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 20:12.10 | pgpkeys | it's only thursday here |
| 20:13.09 | abrotman | pgpkeys: stew is from the future |
| 20:13.26 | pgpkeys | he bring any evil plagues with him? |
| 20:13.27 | abrotman | how do you think he knows all the answers |
| 20:13.35 | asg | abrotman: generally, though, stew is from the past |
| 20:13.42 | pgpkeys | i thought he was using you |
| 20:13.45 | jim | future stewture! |
| 20:13.51 | abrotman | stew is using me? |
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| 20:14.01 | stew | is where you put the leftovers |
| 20:14.06 | abrotman | stuffs stew |
| 20:14.11 | stew | get in my belly |
| 20:14.13 | asg | hot pocket! |
| 20:14.25 | ekix | pipatron, i really don't care |
| 20:14.29 | pgpkeys | I'd say I eat stew, but that could go wrong |
| 20:14.34 | stew | !eat me |
| 20:14.34 | dpkg | eats stew, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
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| 20:14.46 | petemc | stew needs brown sauce |
| 20:14.55 | asg | and corn chips |
| 20:14.58 | stew | if by sauce you mean whiskey |
| 20:15.05 | pgpkeys | stew needs tobasco sauce or Dave's Insanity Sauce |
| 20:15.41 | jim | so... I'm looking at this -execdir part of find, and I'm running this: find . -execdir echo "$(pwd) {}" \; |
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| 20:15.45 | pgpkeys | unless it's beef stew. then it needs bread and a couple shots of whiskey |
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| 20:16.13 | Daveman | MMM :D |
| 20:16.20 | jim | the pwd is always the starting pwd; how do I get the resulting pwd? |
| 20:16.21 | Daveman | salivates on pgpkeys |
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| 20:17.11 | jim | skewer stew chew... whew! |
| 20:17.27 | pgpkeys | hrmm, could use popd and pushd functions passed to -exec r something |
| 20:17.30 | gunfire | I'm using edge and just installed a wireless network card. How do I get it recognized? |
| 20:17.40 | asg | edge? |
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| 20:17.54 | gunfire | *edgy |
| 20:18.00 | asg | gunfire: try #ubuntu please |
| 20:18.06 | jim | Ed Gee? |
| 20:18.13 | pgpkeys | shit. think i just broke my damn easy chair. |
| 20:18.25 | gunfire | *etch |
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| 20:18.26 | gunfire | ah |
| 20:18.27 | gunfire | fuck |
| 20:18.31 | gunfire | mixing things up |
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| 20:18.39 | petemc | my shelf with my projector/hifi/360 etch on it collapsed today :( |
| 20:18.46 | gunfire | It's etch. I just keep mixing up the word. |
| 20:18.48 | petemc | s/ch/c/ |
| 20:19.00 | gunfire | *words |
| 20:19.10 | gunfire | Sorry. |
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| 20:20.03 | Justin | jim: have a look at the output of ps while your find command is running |
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| 20:20.47 | chops | kdub432: np |
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| 20:24.36 | stew | jim: you'd have to run it in a subshell if you expect $(pwd) to get executed |
| 20:24.54 | rkeene | So... there's no way to make Debian work ? :-) |
| 20:25.01 | stew | jim: something like -execdir sh -c "echo \$(pwd); echo " {} \; |
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| 20:25.29 | stew | jim: or -execdir sh -c 'echo $(pwd) {}' \; |
| 20:25.38 | jim | stew: so you're saying the form I ran causes it to be run (say) once in the env of the shell I ran the find in? |
| 20:26.33 | stew | jim: i guess. but my point is that -execdir doesn't take a string that its going to pass to a shell, it takes a string its going to pass to exec |
| 20:26.41 | stew | jim: and $(whatever) is a shell directive |
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| 20:27.22 | jim | stew: hmm, when I do this: find . -execdir sh -c 'echo "$(pwd) {}"' \; |
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| 20:27.32 | jim | it looks for echo in the cwd for some reason |
| 20:27.43 | jim | let me quote the $ |
| 20:28.05 | stew | jim: it should find echo in /bin |
| 20:28.24 | stew | i don't think there is any need for those double quotes, but i could be wrong |
| 20:28.33 | jim | well isn't echo a bash builtin? (oh, not running bash...) |
| 20:28.59 | stew | yeah right, it is both, and yeah, in this case it would be using the builting |
| 20:29.03 | Justin | jim: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:29.05 | stew | s/g$// |
| 20:29.19 | jim | Justin: play with find and -execdir |
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| 20:29.25 | jim | Justin: learn something L( |
| 20:29.27 | jim | :) |
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| 20:29.41 | jim | err, L( is too close to :) |
| 20:29.42 | Justin | jim: put this in a shell script and pass it to execdir: |
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| 20:29.52 | Justin | jim: echo `pwd` $1 |
| 20:30.11 | Justin | trying to run stuff with sh -c == pain |
| 20:30.19 | jim | and then thatScript {} |
| 20:30.21 | stew | Justin: its no different in this case |
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| 20:30.32 | Justin | stew: it's simpler |
| 20:31.16 | stew | is it? instead of running a one liner, creating a shell script, chmod and then running a one liner? |
| 20:31.16 | rkeene | abrotman, Updated screenshots (you may need to clear your cache or SHIFT+RELOAD on some of the pictures starting with `h') |
| 20:31.20 | rkeene | http://www.rkeene.org/tmp/debian-being-silly-2/ |
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| 20:32.01 | Justin | hda1p1? odd |
| 20:32.12 | abrotman | rkeene: i seriously think you're doing something wrong .. |
| 20:32.54 | rkeene | abrotman, What ? |
| 20:33.10 | Justin | rkeene: i see, what was on this drive before you started? |
| 20:33.12 | rkeene | abrotman, I've tried to document as much of the process as I can |
| 20:33.29 | rkeene | Justin, It was freshly zero'd (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1) |
| 20:33.36 | Justin | rkeene: of =/dev/hda |
| 20:33.44 | rkeene | Justin, There is no /dev/hda |
| 20:33.56 | Justin | rkeene: why not? |
| 20:34.04 | rkeene | Because I don't need or want one ? |
| 20:34.10 | Justin | rkeene: no, you tell us |
| 20:34.42 | rkeene | Because it would serve no purpose for me... and generally be annoying |
| 20:34.47 | Justin | for fucks sake |
| 20:34.53 | rkeene | What ? |
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| 20:35.07 | Justin | answer the question |
| 20:35.18 | rkeene | Be more specific. |
| 20:35.27 | Justin | why do you have an hda1 and not an hda |
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| 20:35.33 | Justin | you seem to know, but don't feel like saying |
| 20:35.54 | ampex | rkeene: you need a /dev/hda in order to access a partition called /dev/hda1 |
| 20:36.01 | rkeene | Because I don't need an "hda" ? |
| 20:36.03 | jim | rkeene: you're here asking for help, I would think you'd want to be more (/msg dpkg cooperation in asking for help) |
| 20:36.08 | ampex | rkeene: for some reason the debian installer isn't showing a /dev/hda device |
| 20:36.20 | rkeene | ampex, Is this a Debian-requirement ? |
| 20:36.33 | ampex | rkeene: no, any linux distro is this way |
| 20:36.47 | ampex | rkeene: /dev/hda is the name of the device, /dev/hda1 would be a partition of that device |
| 20:36.49 | rkeene | ampex, No.. I have many Linux installations with no "hda" but an "hda1" |
| 20:36.57 | rkeene | (Including the running Debian installer) |
| 20:37.03 | Justin | rkeene: is there any particular reason you are refusing to answer the question? |
| 20:37.12 | stew | Justin: exactly what question? |
| 20:37.18 | Justin | stew: why he has hda1 and not hda |
| 20:37.21 | ampex | rkeene: it is impossible under linux to have a /dev/hda1 without a /dev/hda |
| 20:37.21 | rkeene | Justin, Because you aren't asking the question you want an answer to. |
| 20:37.29 | stew | ampex: false |
| 20:37.30 | rkeene | ampex, No, it's entirely possible. |
| 20:37.32 | jim | rkeene: hda refers to the whole drive. you have that physically, and the driver supports it whether you have the /dev/hda node or not |
| 20:37.42 | ampex | stew: howso? |
| 20:37.43 | stew | the installer uses devfs style anmes, doesn't it? |
| 20:37.51 | stew | ampex: see above |
| 20:37.55 | Justin | rkeene: yes, now would you like to share with the rest of us WHY you don't have hda? |
| 20:38.03 | stew | Justin: becuase the installer didn't create one? |
| 20:38.06 | jim | rkeene: the installer partitions the drive, so it requires that |
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| 20:38.14 | stew | jim: no it doesn't |
| 20:38.15 | rkeene | jim, "hda1" refers to block-major(3,1), as long as something in the kernel handles block-major(3,1) nothing need handle block-major(3,0) ("hda") |
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| 20:38.42 | ampex | rkeene: is this on some sort of virtual machine, how are you getting the screen shots? |
| 20:38.44 | stew | and that something could be /dev/disk/ide/lun0/disk1 or whatever |
| 20:38.49 | rkeene | Justin, I've answered the WHY -- I don't have one because I don't NEED one. |
| 20:39.04 | jim | so what's the problem? |
| 20:39.11 | rkeene | jim, http://www.rkeene.org/tmp/debian-being-silly-2/ |
| 20:39.25 | ampex | clearly the debian installer expects for a /dev/hda to be present in order to partition the device |
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| 20:39.29 | Justin | rkeene: seriusly, wtf is wrong with you? |
| 20:39.34 | stew | rkeene: can you show us the output of "fdisk -l" or "fdisk -l /device" where /device is pointing to the entire drive? |
| 20:39.38 | jim | I'm not going to fish. either tell me what you experience, or fuck off :) |
| 20:39.44 | stew | Justin: stop |
| 20:39.52 | pipatron | wonders what's wrong with jim |
| 20:39.53 | rkeene | stew, There is no device that cooresponds to the `entire device' |
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| 20:39.54 | pipatron | er |
| 20:39.57 | pipatron | wonders what's wrong with Justin |
| 20:40.04 | pipatron | jim: nothing wrong with you I guess :P |
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| 20:40.06 | stew | jim: please keep things cifil |
| 20:40.09 | stew | civil |
| 20:40.09 | ampex | rkeene: what platform are you running this on? |
| 20:40.11 | abrotman | rkeene: so if you `dmesg | grep hda` .. what do you get ? |
| 20:40.19 | stew | rkeene: show me the output of "fdisk -l" |
| 20:40.24 | Justin | ampex: shhh, it's a secret |
| 20:40.26 | rkeene | abrotman, ~ # dmesg | grep hda |
| 20:40.26 | rkeene | blkfront: hda1: barriers enabled |
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| 20:40.39 | ampex | rkeene: what sort of hardware? |
| 20:41.07 | rkeene | stew, http://www.rkeene.org/tmp/debian-being-silly-2/fdisk-l.txt |
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| 20:41.18 | Daveman | sup rkeene ;p |
| 20:41.21 | jim | stew: he's not cooperating, he's taking up helper time, energy and irc vertical bandwidth... the least he can do is appreciate that and supply what's needed by the helpers |
| 20:41.21 | ampex | rkeene: answer some of our questions and we might be able to help, otherwise, gtfo |
| 20:41.23 | rkeene | stew, Note that "hda1p1" was created by the Debian installer |
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| 20:41.35 | itrebal | I at some point had installed a certificate that wasn't properly setup, but Exim can't seem to forget about it. I've succesfully forced it to use a different certificate, but it still comes back eventually using the old one. I don't even think the old one exists anymore - anyone have this poblem before? any idea how toresovle it? |
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| 20:41.42 | stew | jim: if you feel like he is wasting your time, then use /ignore |
| 20:41.58 | abrotman | thinks it's odd that dmesg doesn't mention hda .. but whatever |
| 20:41.59 | jim | I feel like he's wasting everyone's time and energy |
| 20:42.00 | stew | rkeene: ok, and it is your intention to install debian onto this partition? or onto /dev/hda1 ? |
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| 20:42.03 | rkeene | jim, I'm attempting to cooperate but some questions require posting stuff to a webpage and that will take a seocnd |
| 20:42.13 | jim | oh, ok |
| 20:42.17 | jim | thanks. |
| 20:42.20 | petemc | itrebal: exim -bP tls_certificate looks ok? |
| 20:42.22 | helo | haha |
| 20:42.25 | Justin | rkeene: and other questions, which you refuse to answer, don't |
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| 20:42.35 | SlimeyPete | I'd like to install from a CD, via ssh (i.e. boot from CD then connect to run the installer). I've heard that this is possible. Does anyone know of a good howto? |
| 20:42.50 | stew | Justin: which question has he not answered? |
| 20:43.11 | itrebal | petemc: yeah |
| 20:43.24 | Justin | stew: I asked why he doesn't have an hda, he avoided the question by saying "because he doesn't need one". ampex has asked multiple times what platform he is running on |
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| 20:43.25 | stew | SlimeyPete: check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
| 20:43.40 | rkeene | ampex, http://www.rkeene.org/tmp/debian-being-silly-2/cpuinfo.txt and http://www.rkeene.org/tmp/debian-being-silly-2/uname.txt |
| 20:43.45 | stew | Justin: please just ignore him then |
| 20:43.59 | ampex | ok, so you're in a xen domu |
| 20:44.02 | ampex | you could've just said so |
| 20:44.04 | Xenguy | Q. Hi, when I try to apt-get update against backports.org I'm getting '403 Forbidden'. Is this a known issue, or should I report this somewhere? Anyone? |
| 20:44.04 | abrotman | it's the .104 CPU! |
| 20:44.10 | SlimeyPete | stew: thanks, I'll take a look# |
| 20:44.13 | abrotman | Xenguy: show us your source line |
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| 20:44.21 | rkeene | ampex, Yes ... noone asked. |
| 20:44.22 | itrebal | petemc: its the file I was expecting; I'm trying to find out how to verify it's contents now |
| 20:44.27 | stew | Xenguy: yes, backports is not currently available |
| 20:44.34 | abrotman | rkeene: he did ask which architecture you were on |
| 20:44.34 | Justin | rkeene: if you are going to partition the device, tell xen to use 'vxda', not hda1 |
| 20:44.42 | stew | rkeene: are you trying to install debian onto /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda1p1? |
| 20:44.51 | rkeene | abrotman, Yes, and I just answered him |
| 20:44.56 | abrotman | rkeene: i see that :) |
| 20:44.59 | Xenguy | abrotman: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 20:45.04 | Xenguy | stew: OK, thanks |
| 20:45.06 | abrotman | Xenguy: stew says you broke it |
| 20:45.09 | petemc | itrebal: you can use openssl to print the contents of a cert |
| 20:45.10 | ampex | rkeene: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Xen |
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| 20:45.19 | Xenguy | abrotman: haha very funny ;-) |
| 20:46.00 | rkeene | Justin, That will require other changes in my infrastructure. I just want to install on "hda1" if possible. |
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| 20:46.04 | ampex | rkeene: not necessarily a solution but someone with a similar experience |
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| 20:46.20 | stew | rkeene: meaning you want /dev/hda1 to be your / or you want /dev/hda1p1 to be / ? |
| 20:46.32 | Justin | rkeene: if you just mkfs the partition from the dom0, does the installer let you use it? |
| 20:46.47 | rkeene | stew, Sorry... No, I want "hda1" as "/" and not have "hda1p1" at all |
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| 20:46.50 | rkeene | Justin, Trying now |
| 20:47.09 | stiv2k | anyone here use privoxy? |
| 20:47.11 | ampex | rkeene: if /dev/hda1 is a device with a partition, wouldn't you need /dev/hda1(something) in order to refer to that partition? |
| 20:47.21 | petemc | rkeene: what do you have for the disk line in your domU config? |
| 20:47.41 | Justin | rkeene: I've never ran the debian installer from xen, I just use xen-tools or debootstrap, it's much easier... :) |
| 20:47.43 | jim | rkeene: the thing is that if you tell the installer to partition hda1, it might try to do so, and then you might end up with partitions inside a partition |
| 20:47.44 | rkeene | ampex, I don't want a partition inside of "hda1" -- I did that using the installer when I wasn't sure what exactly it was doing |
| 20:47.57 | itrebal | petemc: I can't lolcate the proper command line option for readin git |
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| 20:48.23 | ampex | rkeene: if /dev/hda1 is a partition, where is the block device itself? |
| 20:48.39 | pipatron | itrebal: You can't lolcat? |
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| 20:48.45 | rkeene | petemc, disk = [ 'file:/usr/local/xenu-install/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso,hdc,r', 'phy:/dev/Raid1/new-mail1,hda1,w' ] |
| 20:48.48 | itrebal | locate* :) |
| 20:48.56 | Yarcanox | X segmentation faults on startup when using 3d acc driver "nvidia" and not "nv" which works fine. what shall I do? |
| 20:48.59 | rkeene | ampex, "hda1" is the only writable block device (there is no "hda") |
| 20:49.00 | jim | rkeene: so if you're saying "I want hda1 to be my /", then either no partitioning is required since there is an hda1 already... or, you would have the installer partition hda |
| 20:49.04 | petemc | itrebal: openssl req -in myreq.pem -noout -text |
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| 20:49.33 | Yarcanox | I hope someone here has an idea because I have none |
| 20:49.51 | pipatron | I have an idea |
| 20:49.52 | stew | Yarcanox: use nv |
| 20:49.58 | pipatron | Get a card with open drivers :) |
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| 20:50.02 | Yarcanox | stew wtf? |
| 20:50.06 | Yarcanox | but it has no 3d acceleration :o |
| 20:50.09 | abrotman | so what |
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| 20:50.09 | stew | Yarcanox: correct |
| 20:50.12 | abrotman | at least it works! |
| 20:50.12 | Yarcanox | I need 3d acc to continue games development |
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| 20:50.25 | ampex | rkeene: why not just change the disk line in your conf to /dev/hda ? |
| 20:50.30 | Yarcanox | see, I'm currently into games development and a machine that has no 3d acc is effectively useless for me |
| 20:50.31 | jim | Yarcanox: so then you would have to get the nvidia driver working |
| 20:50.36 | Yarcanox | yes |
| 20:50.39 | Yarcanox | jim it worked before I rebooted |
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| 20:50.50 | Yarcanox | I installed it, started X and everything worked, I tested my game with shader effects and all |
| 20:50.53 | Yarcanox | then I rebooted |
| 20:50.54 | asg | notes that there were games before 3d acc |
| 20:50.54 | rkeene | Justin, That seems to have made it work -- thanks! |
| 20:50.54 | jim | so that shows it can work |
| 20:50.57 | Yarcanox | and now it segmentatio nfaults on startup |
| 20:51.03 | Yarcanox | yes. and now it doesn't anymore |
| 20:51.07 | pipatron | is currently playing Battle for Wesnoth |
| 20:51.08 | Yarcanox | and I have no idea why |
| 20:51.12 | pipatron | Works great without a 3D accelerator |
| 20:51.14 | Justin | rkeene: what os are you using for your dom0 ? |
| 20:51.17 | stew | i get 60 fps in angband with free drivers |
| 20:51.18 | rkeene | Justin, Slackware |
| 20:51.24 | asg | stew: hah |
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| 20:51.34 | itrebal | petemc: I keep getting "unable to load X509 request" |
| 20:51.38 | Justin | rkeene: ahh, if you could find binaries for dpkg and debootstrap, you could use xen-tools |
| 20:51.46 | ampex | rkeene: what was "it" |
| 20:51.50 | ampex | rkeene: that made it work |
| 20:51.52 | Yarcanox | stew are there any free 3d acc drivers for Geforce 6? |
| 20:51.53 | petemc | rkeene: you should take note of the suggestions to use hda instead of hda1 int he xen config, and to use debootstrap |
| 20:51.56 | yassine | good evening everyone, i installed debian's asterisk package on my etch machine and when i start it it does gets an error while trying to access odbc config engine any idea further steps need to be done? |
| 20:52.00 | stew | Yarcanox: not that i know of |
| 20:52.03 | rkeene | ampex, mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda1 |
| 20:52.09 | Yarcanox | does someone want to see the X-server log? |
| 20:52.13 | Yarcanox | maybe it helps |
| 20:52.25 | Yarcanox | http://eloxoph.net/xlog.txt but as it segmentation faulted I guess there is not that much interesting stuff to see |
| 20:52.26 | ampex | rkeene: why not just use /dev/hda in your xen config? |
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| 20:52.30 | asg | yassine: any post install stuff will be listed in /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/README.Debian* |
| 20:52.36 | petemc | itrebal: given the choice between doing X509 stuff and something, id take something else - sorry |
| 20:52.44 | Justin | petemc: do you know what 'vxda' is? I use that in one domU config for a centos host, based on what the centos wiki said to use |
| 20:52.55 | rkeene | petemc, Using "hda" instead of "hda1" will cause problems for existing parts of the system; Does debootstrap work from Slackware ? |
| 20:53.02 | petemc | Justin: isnt eh naming arbitrary? |
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| 20:53.21 | petemc | the |
| 20:53.21 | Justin | petemc: ah, perhaps, that would explain a lot |
| 20:53.33 | stew | rkeene: yes, deboostrap would work from slackware |
| 20:53.41 | itrebal | petemc: why's that? |
| 20:53.48 | petemc | itrebal: its a headfuck |
| 20:53.48 | Justin | rkeene: as long as you can get a working binary for dpkg, it should work |
| 20:54.13 | itrebal | petemc: I see; can I get something else commercially for not a fortune? |
| 20:54.17 | rkeene | This seems like less work than getting those additional tools. |
| 20:54.19 | jim | rkeene: you're understanding that to remake hda1 will require hda? |
| 20:54.23 | petemc | itrebal: i mean ssl stuff in general |
| 20:54.32 | rkeene | jim, Hmm ? |
| 20:54.40 | rkeene | jim, No, it's fine without it. |
| 20:54.45 | itrebal | petemc: I see |
| 20:55.03 | jim | rkeene: so you want to use the existing partition. |
| 20:55.06 | jim | yes? |
| 20:55.09 | ampex | rkeene: I'm curious about what problems having a /dev/hda inside of a domu would cause |
| 20:55.14 | itrebal | petemc: I assume you have no other help to offer, then? (I just checked; and the CN is corrent) |
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| 20:55.29 | Yarcanox | is there anything else except installing windows which I could try to get the 3d acceleration working? |
| 20:55.39 | abrotman | Yarcanox: which card and which driver version? |
| 20:55.39 | petemc | itrebal: correct, i dont simply dont know enough to be of any help |
| 20:56.00 | itrebal | alright then, thanks anyway petemc; do you have any suggestions where I could go? |
| 20:56.00 | MeMyself | hi there. Can anyone suggest software for editing an mpeg clip? I need to just cut a piece out of an mpeg |
| 20:56.01 | Yarcanox | card is Nvidia Geforce 6200 A with AGP8x |
| 20:56.02 | pipatron | Yarcanox: I've heard rumours that people use 3D acceleration with their super-mega-proprietary-cards, but I wouldn't know. |
| 20:56.08 | petemc | itrebal: exim-users mailing list - v good |
| 20:56.19 | itrebal | alright, great, thanks |
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| 20:56.22 | petemc | np |
| 20:56.37 | pipatron | MeMyself: Disregarding the name, try if avidemux can handle it, it's great for manipulating avis at least :) |
| 20:56.43 | Yarcanox | give me a sec to get the driver version abrotman ... |
| 20:57.03 | Yarcanox | it's 169.12 |
| 20:57.04 | rkeene | ampex, It would cause problems for the tool that converts the XML descriptions of the Xen VMs into the Xen, DRBD, and others configuration files. Not an unfixable error, but if it can be trivially avoided (as it can it seems) then I'd like to do so |
| 20:57.05 | Yarcanox | right from nvidia.com |
| 20:57.16 | MeMyself | pipatron, thx, I'll try |
| 20:57.26 | abrotman | Yarcanox: from nvidia.com ? |
| 20:57.41 | Yarcanox | yes |
| 20:57.41 | abrotman | Yarcanox: i'd ask #nvidia if that version even supports that card |
| 20:57.46 | Yarcanox | downloaded yesterday |
| 20:57.52 | Yarcanox | it does |
| 20:57.57 | Yarcanox | as I said, it worked before I rebooted |
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| 20:58.07 | abrotman | yay for nvidia suckage |
| 20:58.10 | Tramp | MeMyself: you could also search for gopchop / gopdit. Dunno if it's packaged. But avidemux should work just fine. |
| 20:58.14 | Yarcanox | X ran fine with 3d acc, and after the reboot without any config change it didn't anymore |
| 20:58.29 | Yarcanox | X version is 7.1.1 |
| 20:58.29 | chops | Yarcanox: What kernel version? Have you upgraded that recently? |
| 20:58.32 | Yarcanox | yes |
| 20:58.36 | Yarcanox | but before I installed the driver |
| 20:58.37 | frego | Hello, how can I know in what package xcompmgr is now into? the xcompmgr package doesn't exist anymore |
| 20:58.46 | MeMyself | Tramp, any idea in which package avidemux might be? |
| 20:58.46 | Yarcanox | and it worked fine with the new upgraded kernel which is 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 20:59.02 | chops | has never had any success with nvidia drivers, except for their remarkable ability to display the nvidia logo prominently on startup |
| 20:59.26 | chops | Yarcanox: Ask for support from nvidia, then? |
| 20:59.29 | Yarcanox | linux is more or less useless for my desktop PC without 3d acc :< |
| 20:59.37 | Yarcanox | hm yes chops I did but everyone in #nvidia is sleeping |
| 20:59.43 | chops | Yarcanox: There's not much Debian can do to fix a 3d driver that we didn't author, can't examine, and can't modify... |
| 20:59.44 | Yarcanox | or do you mean directly? through email or phone or something? |
| 20:59.51 | Yarcanox | chops it's not the driver |
| 20:59.52 | Yarcanox | it's X |
| 20:59.59 | Yarcanox | as I said, X quits with an segmentation fault |
| 21:00.13 | abrotman | Yarcanox: what if you use the debian method to install the driver? |
| 21:00.22 | Yarcanox | if X expected that error, it should have terminated normally with an error message, shouldn't it |
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| 21:00.26 | Yarcanox | abrotman dunno |
| 21:00.29 | Tramp | MeMyself: you will need the debian multimedia repositories (/msg dpkg dmm) |
| 21:00.30 | Yarcanox | ah wait |
| 21:00.39 | Yarcanox | I installed that deb package some weeks ago still with my old geforce 4 |
| 21:00.41 | Yarcanox | and it didn't work |
| 21:00.45 | Yarcanox | same was for the finished packages on suse |
| 21:00.52 | MeMyself | Tramp, thanks |
| 21:00.54 | Yarcanox | that's why I decided to get the driver from nvidia.com which worked on suse, too |
| 21:01.10 | Yarcanox | I could give it a try now, but I doubt it is going to work, it never did for me |
| 21:01.27 | chops | Yarcanox: The nvidia driver contains an X driver module and a kernel driver module. If you're having problems with an open source nvidia X driver, that's something Debian can more feasibly help with. |
| 21:01.56 | Yarcanox | chops no I think that one is proprietary... |
| 21:02.01 | abrotman | Xenguy: http://tretkowski.de/blog/archives/410-Unexpected-downtime.html |
| 21:02.04 | Yarcanox | afaik there is no open source driver for geforce 6 that has 3d acc |
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| 21:03.07 | primal | hi, i set up my debian server but i cant ping domain.org, but i can ping www.domain.org. anyone know why? |
| 21:03.08 | abrotman | !noveau |
| 21:03.12 | abrotman | argh .. wtf is it |
| 21:03.22 | alvarezp | Where does Debian store the configuration, to make Bitstream Vera appear in xfontsel? What package is responsible for this? |
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| 21:03.45 | stew | !nouvau? |
| 21:03.49 | abrotman | !nouveau |
| 21:03.50 | dpkg | Nouveau : Open Source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ |
| 21:03.51 | abrotman | WIN! |
| 21:04.00 | pipatron | DOWS! |
| 21:04.16 | abrotman | bonus points if anyone can actually make them work :) |
| 21:04.42 | stew | i don't konw what i'd do with bonus points |
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| 21:05.12 | abrotman | stew: you could share them |
| 21:05.38 | pipatron | You can get an extralife if you collect enough |
| 21:05.53 | abrotman | jump on the turtle 100 times .. it's easier |
| 21:06.24 | adama | 'ls -la /home/' shows a line: '?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /home/ice' ...what does that mean? |
| 21:06.25 | ampex | primal: neither respond to ICMP pings |
| 21:06.33 | ampex | primal: domain.org or www.domain.org |
| 21:06.46 | primal | ampex, it was example :D |
| 21:06.54 | abrotman | adama: fsck the file system |
| 21:06.59 | Tramp | adama: It means, that the directory lacks "x" permission |
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| 21:07.12 | jim | ampex: that there's something weird in /home :) |
| 21:07.26 | jelly-home | goes with Tramp |
| 21:07.27 | ampex | primal: what you you using for a nameserver |
| 21:07.35 | adama | /dev/md0: clean, 19/61063168 files, 1966944/122095984 blocks |
| 21:07.38 | Tramp | adama: what shows "ls -ld /home"? |
| 21:07.50 | adama | after unmounting it |
| 21:07.57 | primal | ampex, solved, thx for help anyhow |
| 21:08.10 | ampex | primal: what was it? |
| 21:08.14 | adama | it is two 500GB drives in raid1 |
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| 21:08.41 | adama | ls -ld /home -> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2008-03-27 10:28 /home |
| 21:08.45 | adama | (after re-mounting) |
| 21:09.02 | Tramp | adama: and still the weird "?" problem? |
| 21:09.08 | adama | yep |
| 21:09.12 | w3rd_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), i keep getting this error, n e ideas how to fix? |
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| 21:10.35 | abrotman | w3rd_: paste all the output somewhere |
| 21:10.57 | w3rd_ | http://pastebin.com/m2da77c1a |
| 21:11.08 | Tramp | adama: hmm. "grep home /etc/fstab"? |
| 21:11.23 | adama | Tramp: /dev/md0 /home ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 21:11.35 | macafe | Hi.. I have in this file: /usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server/network/admin/tnsnames.ora my config < http://pastebin.com/m37f32b6 >, and when I try connect using the command `sqlplus -C 8.0 dmn/dmn@UEM_BARUERI` I have this error "ORA-12154: TNS:could not resolve the connect identifier specified".. What can see? |
| 21:12.03 | adama | there is also /home/adama which shows up and is usable normally |
| 21:12.07 | abrotman | macafe: Oracle isn't in debian ? |
| 21:12.25 | macafe | abrotman, yes |
| 21:12.29 | JoshH | it's not? no wonder i can't apt-get it |
| 21:12.44 | abrotman | macafe: ask oracle ? |
| 21:12.52 | abrotman | macafe: or #oracle |
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| 21:13.14 | macafe | abrotman, sorry.. I speak in wrong channel :( |
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| 21:13.32 | Daveman | Abrotmen |
| 21:13.59 | abrotman | hi |
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| 21:15.19 | Tramp | adama: hmm. This is strange, I have to admit, I don't know, what the problem is. |
| 21:15.44 | w3rd_ | abrotmen: n e ideas? |
| 21:15.53 | w3rd_ | abrotman: ewps |
| 21:16.08 | Wingard | What do I need to add to my repositories to install the mozilla "gnash" plugin? |
| 21:16.35 | adama | hmmmm |
| 21:16.37 | adama | mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/tmp': Read-only file system |
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| 21:17.26 | Tramp | adama: So you had errors on the remount. Anything in the logs? |
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| 21:17.35 | jelly-home | adama: anything suspicious in /var/log/kern.log or dmesg output? |
| 21:17.48 | adama | dmesg says: EXT3-fs error (device md0): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - blocks from 49971200, length 1 |
| 21:18.25 | jelly-home | that's not all it says hopefully |
| 21:18.31 | adama | then: Aborting journal on device md0. Remounting filesystem read-only |
| 21:18.42 | jelly-home | adama: have you pastebinned /proc/mdstat already? |
| 21:18.43 | adama | and some EXT3-fs error (device md0) in ext3_reserve_inode_write: Journal has aborted |
| 21:18.57 | adama | no.. |
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| 21:19.31 | Tramp | adama: You may want to run fsck with the -f Option. I assume you have backups, in case something goes wrong 8) |
| 21:19.46 | adama | I've been having problems with this raid array, I would like to throw it away and start over |
| 21:19.53 | adama | there is nothing on it at all |
| 21:19.59 | jelly-home | wouldn't fsck if the cause was a dying disk |
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| 21:20.15 | adama | it is a brand-new system |
| 21:20.23 | adama | no data whatsoever |
| 21:20.53 | jelly-home | adama: brand-new is just the right time for disks to die |
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| 21:22.01 | adama | well first I created the array with raid0 and it worked fine, then I realized that I wanted raid1 and it was a big hassle recreating it, and now it mounts and appears OK ecxept now this |
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| 21:22.35 | adama | running fsck -f /dev/md0 |
| 21:22.54 | jelly-home | is the raid sane? |
| 21:22.58 | itrebal | adama: you could delete the array, re-arrange all the disks, recreate the array, and then install :) |
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| 21:23.22 | Kevin` | itrebal md0 is software raid, so created during/after the install |
| 21:23.32 | itrebal | ouch |
| 21:23.46 | Kevin` | no ouch, it's awesome imo |
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| 21:23.58 | adama | correct I set it all up after installing |
| 21:24.15 | adama | fsck is finding some errors so we'll see what happens |
| 21:24.26 | Kevin` | adama what state is the array in? |
| 21:24.48 | Decepticon_ | hello, sometimes apt gets stuck, im not sure why, 'ps fax' output: http://pastebin.ca/960070 |
| 21:24.48 | w3rd_ | http://pastebin.com/m2da77c1a could someone tell me what the error is that wont let this install? |
| 21:24.49 | itrebal | feels funny about having software raids |
| 21:25.02 | Decepticon_ | this is via the cron entries |
| 21:25.14 | Decepticon_ | why is it doing it and how do i prevent this. (besides seeing it and killing the process myself) |
| 21:25.21 | stew | w3rd_: didn't you discover that your apache-ssl configuration was pointing at a non-existant ssl cert? |
| 21:25.35 | Kevin` | decepticon I bet it's asking for input |
| 21:25.37 | w3rd_ | yes but i changed the ssl cert |
| 21:25.39 | adama | state? |
| 21:25.41 | w3rd_ | i saved a new one... |
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| 21:25.52 | stew | w3rd_: check your apache-ssl error logs |
| 21:25.53 | Kevin` | adama cat /proc/mdstat or mdadm -D |
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| 21:25.55 | w3rd_ | shouldnt that update the install process |
| 21:25.56 | w3rd_ | k |
| 21:25.59 | w3rd_ | just a moment |
| 21:26.01 | w3rd_ | ty stew |
| 21:26.44 | jelly-home | Decepticon_: is apt in an incoherent state? |
| 21:27.27 | w3rd_ | yah it says that there is an error reading the same file that i thought i changed... how do i tell it to look at the new file.... |
| 21:27.33 | jelly-home | Decepticon_: ie. does running apt-get update in an interactive shell bring up anything suspicious? |
| 21:27.39 | w3rd_ | [Thu Mar 27 17:04:00 2008] [crit] Error reading server certificate file /etc/apache-ssl/apache.pem |
| 21:27.48 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon_: which cron entries? |
| 21:28.00 | w3rd_ | [Thu Mar 27 17:04:00 2008] [crit] error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start line |
| 21:28.05 | w3rd_ | it cant read the start line? |
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| 21:28.18 | w3rd_ | is there any command that would allow it to interpret the start line? |
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| 21:28.44 | jelly-home | w3rd_: try putting a valid certificate there! |
| 21:28.46 | adama | Kevin`: fsck -f seems to have fixed it |
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| 21:29.13 | w3rd_ | jelly-home, why cant i use the default... and how can i get one without buying one? |
| 21:29.39 | adama | Kevin`: cat /proc/mdstat shows: Personalities : [raid1] \n md0 : active raid1 sdb1[0] sdc1[1] \n 488383936 blocks [2/2] [UU] \n\n unused devices: <none> |
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| 21:30.01 | jelly-home | w3rd_: by "valid" I don't mean you have to buy one, you can use a self-signed one as well |
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| 21:30.33 | Skiver | How to solve X server problem "Client X reject from local host", it happens when user logoff in KDE. Starting up X is fine. |
| 21:30.38 | stew | !self signed cert |
| 21:30.38 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 21:31.07 | baggend | Anyone know if it's possible to break a software RAID1 while the OS is running, and then to mount the removed drive to make changes to the filesystem? (It would never be re-synced. This is a one time operation I need to do.) |
| 21:31.09 | jelly-home | hm, .pem is both of those files concatenated |
| 21:31.11 | w3rd_ | well, how to i configure a self-signed ssl cert... i dont know how to do that, i just borrowed the contents from the default and included that in the new file i created... hoping that it would see a new .pem file in the directory |
| 21:31.12 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 21:31.34 | jelly-home | w3rd_: read what dpkg said above. |
| 21:31.47 | w3rd_ | from the pastebin |
| 21:31.48 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 21:31.57 | w3rd_ | er my bad |
| 21:31.58 | w3rd_ | .... |
| 21:32.15 | streuner | !enter |
| 21:32.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 21:32.29 | jelly-home | w3rd_: or you could use the script from ssl-cert package |
| 21:32.47 | w3rd_ | nps, where is the script located ? |
| 21:33.13 | jelly-home | w3rd_: look up the contents of that package. |
| 21:33.20 | streuner | use "dpkg -L <package>" |
| 21:33.36 | w3rd_ | lemmie c |
| 21:34.08 | w3rd_ | ../usr/sbin/make-ssl-cert |
| 21:34.18 | w3rd_ | that looks like what im trying to do dont you think? |
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| 21:35.36 | itrebal | any ideas why Exim would retain an SSL certificate? I at some point had installed a certificate that wasn't properly setup, but Exim can't seem to forget about it. Sometimes right after I restart Exim, the certificate is the correct one, but it doesn't retain very long |
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| 21:36.02 | zeitsofas | good night @ all | gute nacht zusammen |
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| 21:37.41 | trakinas | hello |
| 21:37.51 | w3rd_ | sudo ./make-ssl-cert generate-default-snakeoil --force-overwrite this will not overwrite will it and if so do i have to specify the directory for the cert to be stored? |
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| 21:38.39 | trakinas | really simple doubt... should I use umount or eject for pendrive? and what are the main differences between them? (i always umount through gnome, not command line. but the gnome menu hasnt the eject command))) |
| 21:39.22 | pipatron | umount |
| 21:39.34 | pipatron | unless your USB port has built-in eject mechanics |
| 21:39.39 | pipatron | Which would be cool |
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| 21:40.23 | zinx | eject doesn't unmount, though, afaik |
| 21:40.43 | adama | I'm hungry |
| 21:40.45 | adama | feed me |
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| 21:40.53 | trakinas | pipatron, heheh! asked cause i have one sandisc pendrive and it umounts okay but no lights turns off. even after aplying the eject. i also have an usb microSD adaptor - in this case after aplying eject /dev/sda1 the led turns off. |
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| 21:43.58 | trakinas | adama, that reminds me of little shop of horror |
| 21:44.01 | w3rd_ | when ever i try to install openssl via aptitude the system continues to push for installation for apache ssl... is there a way to cahnge this? |
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| 21:45.04 | adama | trakinas: no idea, I'm just hungry |
| 21:45.15 | stew | w3rd_: yeah, you can fix apache-ssl |
| 21:45.29 | w3rd_ | hahah |
| 21:45.39 | w3rd_ | i found this doc |
| 21:45.40 | stew | w3rd_: i mean just fix your config |
| 21:45.40 | w3rd_ | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 |
| 21:45.43 | w3rd_ | oh |
| 21:45.44 | zidagar | hellooooo |
| 21:46.02 | w3rd_ | i remember you saying something earlier about that when we added the line set-x |
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| 21:46.11 | w3rd_ | do i have to take that out of the config file |
| 21:46.11 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 21:46.15 | trakinas | adama, hehe |
| 21:46.29 | stew | w3rd_: you don't have to. feel free to |
| 21:46.41 | stew | w3rd_: all its doing is making extra stuff get spit to the screen |
| 21:46.43 | netcrash | Hello, I'm trying to setup a nis slave from a master, master works ok, but the slave does not receive any updates. |
| 21:46.49 | netcrash | any tips ? |
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| 21:48.31 | zoldar | hello, what happend with backports.org ? |
| 21:48.40 | stew | zoldar: it went down |
| 21:48.50 | itrebal | zoldar: the project was canceled |
| 21:49.02 | stew | itrebal: really? do you have a reference? |
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| 21:49.05 | jelly-home | whut? |
| 21:49.08 | itrebal | stew: no :P |
| 21:49.11 | zoldar | :/ anything in it's place ? |
| 21:49.13 | stew | itrebal: where did you hear this? |
| 21:49.14 | itrebal | sorry |
| 21:49.31 | itrebal | sorry, was kidding :) |
| 21:49.31 | zoldar | ah |
| 21:49.49 | DaRtH_VaDeR | hi! i need a little help :| i got this message when i am booting and i always have to run alsaconf... C-Media PCI: probe of 0000:02:03.0 failed with error -12 |
| 21:49.49 | DaRtH_VaDeR | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.50 | itrebal | I'd cry if the project was canceled :/ |
| 21:50.03 | jelly-home | itrebal: that was just dumb |
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| 21:50.48 | itrebal | I.. appologize? |
| 21:50.57 | zoldar | where can i find list of up to date mirrors ? |
| 21:51.10 | stiv2k | anyone here know MIPS assembly language? |
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| 21:51.21 | stew | zoldar: debian mirrors? or backports.org mirrors? |
| 21:51.22 | zoldar | ok got it, sorry |
| 21:51.24 | w3rd_ | stew: then what is the recommended way to proceed ... just create my own ssl cert, insert it to the directory where apache.pem is, how do i tell it that the new ssl cert is the file i would like it to reference on install? |
| 21:51.35 | zoldar | i meant backports |
| 21:51.52 | stew | w3rd_: i'd recommend just creating a self signed cert somwhere and pointing your config at it |
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| 21:52.13 | stew | w3rd_: the article you posted from debian-administration.org was overly complicated for your needs |
| 21:52.24 | w3rd_ | k, im sorry i didnt understand the output from dpkg on how to do that.... |
| 21:52.35 | w3rd_ | how do i create an ssl-cert |
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| 21:52.46 | w3rd_ | cause what i just did didnt work? |
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| 21:56.29 | w3rd_ | http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign.html |
| 21:56.45 | w3rd_ | does that seem like a good tutorial how to install / create an ssl cert? |
| 21:57.30 | Blissex | w3rd_: it may be enough, but it is pretty ugly. |
| 21:57.49 | w3rd_ | are there any recommendations... |
| 21:57.53 | w3rd_ | something that is easier? |
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| 21:58.06 | Blissex | w3rd_: to do a hack job it is much simpler and easier to use the GNU TLS tools, to do it properly it is much more complicated. |
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| 21:58.28 | trakinas | if i do umount a usb microSD reader device, do i need to apply the eject command or not? dont want to wreck my sd... |
| 21:58.32 | [ACE]Roller | has anyone here tried to run linux from Compact Flash card? |
| 21:58.55 | w3rd_ | Blissex: got a url that might show how to config in short? |
| 21:59.04 | Blissex | trakinas: 'umount' is enough. 'eject' does a 'umount'... |
| 21:59.05 | w3rd_ | not trying to anything to fancy... |
| 21:59.16 | Blissex | w3rd_: search for the GNU tools manual, it has a single line example. |
| 21:59.18 | trakinas | Blissex, thank you very much! |
| 21:59.18 | stew | [ACE]Roller: sure |
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| 21:59.26 | trakinas | time to go to college. cheers folks! |
| 21:59.27 | w3rd_ | k |
| 22:00.20 | w3rd_ | Blissex: can i find this via the new.. or is it a man page? |
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| 22:01.16 | abrotman | [ACE]Roller: yes people have done it |
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| 22:01.59 | Blissex | w3rd_ http://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/manual/gnutls.html#Invoking-certtool |
| 22:02.07 | w3rd_ | koo, ty |
| 22:02.08 | [ACE]Roller | hbu abrotman? |
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| 22:02.52 | abrotman | bless you? |
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| 22:03.30 | w3rd_ | so i could use something like this |
| 22:03.32 | w3rd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.33 | w3rd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.38 | w3rd_ | ewps |
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| 22:04.24 | Farhadix | hi guys, which programs is needed for using bluetooth? |
| 22:04.37 | w3rd_ | certtool --generate-privkey --bits 512 --outfile rsa.pem if i add like a directory path it will install to that path correct? |
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| 22:04.38 | [ACE]Roller | abrotman have you tried it? |
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| 22:04.42 | abrotman | no |
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| 22:05.38 | DaRtH_VaDeR | :( |
| 22:06.07 | [ACE]Roller | anyone else? |
| 22:06.29 | w3rd_ | it appears that i dont have the certtool program installed with the base install... |
| 22:06.43 | w3rd_ | how do i install it if apach-ssl having errors? |
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| 22:06.57 | w3rd_ | it wont let me use aptitude with anything else? |
| 22:07.08 | stew | w3rd_: is your intention to get apache-ssl working? or just remove it? |
| 22:07.16 | stew | [ACE]Roller: just ask your real question |
| 22:07.24 | w3rd_ | i would like to use it, just whatever would be easiest... |
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| 22:07.45 | stew | w3rd_: why do you want to use certtool instead of openssl? |
| 22:08.10 | w3rd_ | i was just going off of what Blissex was recommending |
| 22:08.25 | w3rd_ | even if i try to install openssl i get errors from apache-ssl |
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| 22:08.40 | stew | w3rd_: is openssl installed now? |
| 22:08.46 | w3rd_ | er... oh yah |
| 22:08.50 | w3rd_ | it is installed right now |
| 22:08.56 | stew | w3rd_: then why do you try to install openssl? |
| 22:08.58 | w3rd_ | so i can create a CA with that |
| 22:09.05 | stew | w3rd_: you don't need a CA |
| 22:09.14 | stew | w3rd_: you can create a self-signed cert |
| 22:09.21 | stew | w3rd_: but yes, you could create a CA |
| 22:09.35 | w3rd_ | that is what i meant to say.... what is the diff between CA and selfsigned? |
| 22:09.46 | w3rd_ | ?sorry i dunno |
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| 22:10.02 | stew | w3rd_: a CA is someone that signs certs. when you self-sign, you sign your own cert instead of having a CA do it |
| 22:10.14 | w3rd_ | oh... i gotcha |
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| 22:10.24 | w3rd_ | that makes it local instead of third party server... |
| 22:10.33 | w3rd_ | or third party company responsibility |
| 22:10.33 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 22:10.35 | stew | w3rd_: you would create a CA if you planned on distributing the CA cert to a bunch of other machines that you were expecting to trust your CA and then use that CA to sign other certs |
| 22:11.13 | w3rd_ | well... if i create a self signed will it be something that i can access from multiple systems? |
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| 22:11.41 | stew | w3rd_: yes, but the other systems will get a warning that the certificate is self signed |
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| 22:12.00 | w3rd_ | is there anything to worry about with a self signed cert? |
| 22:12.07 | w3rd_ | or are they ok to use? |
| 22:12.13 | petemc | recent browsers bitch a lot |
| 22:12.15 | w3rd_ | would you use it in production environment |
| 22:12.18 | w3rd_ | oh... |
| 22:12.29 | stew | w3rd_: they are fine to use with the above caveat that people will get lets of warnning dialogs |
| 22:12.37 | w3rd_ | oh |
| 22:12.38 | w3rd_ | http://sial.org/howto/openssl/self-signed/ |
| 22:12.44 | w3rd_ | is that a good walk through? |
| 22:12.52 | eth01 | no |
| 22:13.07 | w3rd_ | well... what should i do then... |
| 22:13.34 | w3rd_ | i cant seem to find something simple that will let me just modify this conf file to stop erroring out? :) |
| 22:13.41 | stew | w3rd_: you have at least 3 or 4 valid walkthroughs |
| 22:13.46 | w3rd_ | haha |
| 22:13.50 | w3rd_ | oh was that supposed to be a joke |
| 22:13.51 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 22:13.52 | w3rd_ | k |
| 22:13.53 | w3rd_ | .... |
| 22:13.59 | eth01 | errr .... |
| 22:14.03 | eth01 | please don't do that |
| 22:14.09 | w3rd_ | sorry about that... |
| 22:14.14 | stew | w3rd_: no. dpkg gave you one. you came up with 2 or three of your own |
| 22:14.24 | w3rd_ | oh really that is what that was |
| 22:14.36 | w3rd_ | let me go back hope the buffer hasnt lost that ... |
| 22:14.59 | w3rd_ | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 22:15.00 | w3rd_ | this |
| 22:15.25 | w3rd_ | i geuss i need to just ctrl-v that to my terminal |
| 22:15.25 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 22:15.34 | w3rd_ | sorry about that didnt mean to hit enter... |
| 22:16.47 | eth01 | !flood |
| 22:16.47 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:17.19 | w3rd_ | whenever i try the above info the terminal comes back with an error that reads.... server.key: Permission denied, does this mean that i have to create the file chmod then run the above command from dpkg? |
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| 22:18.04 | adama | it means you don't have permission to create a file in $PWD |
| 22:18.16 | w3rd_ | so then run it as root? |
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| 22:18.27 | w3rd_ | i tried to use sudo and i still get the same result... |
| 22:18.27 | adama | be root or do it somewhere you are allowed to make files |
| 22:18.32 | w3rd_ | k |
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| 22:19.16 | jugglinx | how i can know if arts or esound are working? |
| 22:19.40 | w3rd_ | i see.. i must have been a dir that wouldnt let me write.... as soon as i changed it im able to create the cert... |
| 22:19.48 | sartek | i installed grub 2, reboot, chainload to grub2 i only see a "welcome to grub!" message |
| 22:19.50 | DaRtH_VaDeR | what can i do, when i reboot my pc i must to run alsaconf... i dont know why :( |
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| 22:20.13 | cahoot | alsa-utils missing? |
| 22:20.16 | stew | DaRtH_VaDeR: do you know which driver you are using? |
| 22:20.34 | DaRtH_VaDeR | stew, i have no idea :| |
| 22:20.42 | stew | DaRtH_VaDeR: do you know what sound card you have? |
| 22:20.47 | DaRtH_VaDeR | yes of course |
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| 22:20.57 | stew | DaRtH_VaDeR: which sound card do you have? |
| 22:21.03 | DaRtH_VaDeR | 02:03.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10). |
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| 22:21.16 | zinx | DaRtH_VaDeR: i'm sorry :/ |
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| 22:21.29 | DaRtH_VaDeR | zinx, why ? :| |
| 22:21.32 | stew | waht is that cmipci? |
| 22:21.35 | w3rd_ | so now i have server.crt and server.key in my home dir, what should i do now... mv the files to the dir / etc/apache-ssl? |
| 22:21.38 | zinx | DaRtH_VaDeR: because C-Media is terrible :) |
| 22:21.42 | DaRtH_VaDeR | :( |
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| 22:21.49 | DaRtH_VaDeR | stew, yes! |
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| 22:22.03 | zinx | DaRtH_VaDeR: you can try alsactl store 0 or such |
| 22:22.04 | stew | DaRtH_VaDeR: try editing /etc/modules and add a line to the end that reads "snd-cmipci" |
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| 22:22.07 | DaRtH_VaDeR | snd_cmipci |
| 22:22.23 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i have that :| |
| 22:22.31 | cahoot | alsa-utils missing? |
| 22:22.36 | DaRtH_VaDeR | cahoot, no |
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| 22:22.44 | marsje | Hi. I'm trying to setup IPv6 in my home network consisting of a ubuntu machine and a debian machine (server with IPv6 tunnel). The machines can see each other, the debian can see the IPv6 internet, but the ubuntu machine cannot see the IPv^ outside world. Anyone knows what I'm missing? My config: http://paste.debian.net/51984 |
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| 22:22.52 | DaRtH_VaDeR | it works, but i have to run always alsaconf... |
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| 22:22.58 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i am tired with that :| |
| 22:23.22 | DaRtH_VaDeR | alias snd-card-0 snd-cmipci |
| 22:23.22 | DaRtH_VaDeR | options snd-cmipci index=0 |
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| 22:23.51 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i have added that to /etc/modules but it still dont work at booting time :| |
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| 22:24.08 | elwood | hi all |
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| 22:24.47 | cahoot | try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 DaRtH_VaDeR |
| 22:25.01 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i dont get it :| |
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| 22:25.20 | DaRtH_VaDeR | mm done! |
| 22:25.27 | DaRtH_VaDeR | Resetting ALSA card 0...done |
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| 22:26.24 | cahoot | try speaker-test |
| 22:26.52 | DaRtH_VaDeR | it works!! ^^ |
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| 22:27.22 | cahoot | try (as root) alsa force-reload - then speaker-test again |
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| 22:28.36 | DaRtH_VaDeR | works ! :P |
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| 22:30.07 | DaRtH_VaDeR | cahoot, now could i reboot and i'll have sound (?) |
| 22:30.32 | cahoot | who knows? hopefully |
| 22:31.05 | DaRtH_VaDeR | well i'll be back... |
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| 22:34.53 | hughw | hi. I'm looking to install software on my web server to allow users to upload files, much like FTP, but rather to use a PHP script. Any ideas please? |
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| 22:36.44 | hughw | a PHP file browser, I suppse |
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| 22:36.53 | marsje | hughw: you can make an html form with <input type="file">... I think there is a sample of that somewhere on php.com |
| 22:37.03 | pgpkeys | .net |
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| 22:38.51 | Yarcanox | I have been told that changing the distro might solve my X issue |
| 22:38.56 | Yarcanox | is this true/a good idea? |
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| 22:39.04 | telemachus | what's the issue? |
| 22:39.07 | Yarcanox | so is it very likely that it is going to work on e.g. ubuntu? |
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| 22:39.21 | Yarcanox | hum I mentioned it about 30 minutes ago... |
| 22:39.32 | telemachus | ok, then |
| 22:39.35 | Yarcanox | ok in short: X segmentation faults when I tell it to start using the 3d acc driver |
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| 22:40.02 | Yarcanox | deactivating "load "glx"" solves this which isn't really helpful as I need the 3d acc to do my work |
| 22:40.27 | Yarcanox | and X worked fine with the 3d acceleration before the first reboot after driver install (3d acc driver from nvidia.com) |
| 22:40.42 | Yarcanox | because after this reboot, this issue occured |
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| 22:41.30 | Yarcanox | and that guy from nvidia suggested changing the distro (from debian to something else) |
| 22:42.20 | telemachus | did he say why? |
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| 22:42.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 22:43.03 | Yarcanox | telemachus no |
| 22:43.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm trying to run syndaemon (to prevent the touchpad from interfering with my typing) |
| 22:43.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | I get this error: Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled? |
| 22:43.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I enable this shmconfig thing? |
| 22:43.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | What is it, where do I find it? |
| 22:43.34 | Yarcanox | telemachus but all his investigations he told me to do sounded like he searched for some mistakes in the X configuration |
| 22:43.59 | Yarcanox | so he probably thinks debian's default configuration has somewhere a small mistake, wrong symlink or something, dunno |
| 22:43.59 | telemachus | Yarcanox: how did you install the nvidia driver? That is, did you use the Debian method with module assistant or the Nvidia driver script? |
| 22:44.14 | Yarcanox | I used the nvidia driver script because the debian apt-get-thingy did not work. |
| 22:44.31 | Yarcanox | and because on suse the suse installer didn't work either, just the nvidia driver script from nvidia.com |
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| 22:44.50 | Yarcanox | which is why I didn't hesitate to try the same on debian after first tries with the packages |
| 22:44.55 | _vvd | Dark_Apostrophe: what does "mount|grep shm" give you? |
| 22:44.57 | Yarcanox | and it worked until the first reboot =P |
| 22:45.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | _vvd: tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) |
| 22:45.30 | telemachus | did you possibly reboot into a different kernel than the one you ran the script on? |
| 22:45.40 | telemachus | because that would do it |
| 22:45.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | telemachus: Or updating Xorg |
| 22:45.52 | telemachus | well, not a seg fault, but a dead X |
| 22:45.54 | Yarcanox | if /proc/version shows the current kernel, no I don't think so |
| 22:45.55 | _vvd | Dark_Apostrophe: good, dunno then :) |
| 22:45.57 | telemachus | fair enough, Dark_Apostrophe |
| 22:46.12 | telemachus | uname -r |
| 22:46.17 | Yarcanox | because proc/version shows 2.6.18-6 which is the one I installed the header files for |
| 22:46.41 | Yarcanox | I can still remember this because I accidentially used 2.6.18-5 header files before which the nvidia install script didn't really like =P |
| 22:46.53 | xuser | etch? |
| 22:47.11 | Yarcanox | erm |
| 22:47.15 | Yarcanox | dunno =P to be honest |
| 22:47.17 | Yarcanox | where can I find out? |
| 22:47.23 | Yarcanox | console tells 4.0 |
| 22:47.26 | telemachus | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:47.27 | Yarcanox | no idea if this is etch or not |
| 22:47.33 | telemachus | Yarcanox: see above |
| 22:48.02 | Yarcanox | cat /etc/debian_version outputs 4.0, too |
| 22:48.08 | telemachus | that's etch |
| 22:48.12 | Yarcanox | ok :) |
| 22:48.15 | Yarcanox | xuser: yes =P |
| 22:48.18 | Yarcanox | lol |
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| 22:49.07 | telemachus | ok, well, two quick thoughts before I go get dinner |
| 22:49.09 | xuser | nvidia propietary driver works fine on etch if you follow the intructions, install it the debian way. |
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| 22:49.23 | Yarcanox | xuser what is the debian way? |
| 22:49.24 | telemachus | first, nvidia's script comes with a tool to automatically configure x |
| 22:49.24 | xuser | also, use the 'nv' driver till you solve the issue. |
| 22:49.27 | telemachus | that should work |
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| 22:49.32 | telemachus | the apt-get thingy, Yarcanox |
| 22:49.38 | Yarcanox | hm xuser I can use the console aswell, that's not a real prob |
| 22:49.46 | Yarcanox | but that didn't work :< |
| 22:49.47 | telemachus | and if you go that way, you *must* remove the nvidia script first |
| 22:49.53 | Yarcanox | and how can I remove it? |
| 22:49.54 | telemachus | they cannot work together |
| 22:49.57 | marina | re all u guys! |
| 22:50.25 | telemachus | I believe that the script provides an uninstall command |
| 22:50.38 | marina | anyone knows which other browsers uses KHTML, execpt Apple Safari and Konqueror? |
| 22:50.41 | xuser | Yarcanox: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?highlight=(nvidia) |
| 22:51.06 | xuser | for the meantime use 'nv' driver if you want to use X. |
| 22:51.14 | Yarcanox | hm it worked |
| 22:51.20 | dub | for an application that it cant timestamp its output natively is there a convenient way of wrapping it in something that can |
| 22:51.21 | Yarcanox | hm no xuser don't really need X |
| 22:51.24 | telemachus | that was quick |
| 22:51.28 | Yarcanox | only for game development which works only with 3d acc |
| 22:51.29 | telemachus | it worked? |
| 22:51.34 | Yarcanox | no, uninstall worked =P sorry |
| 22:51.39 | Yarcanox | just guessed --uninstall |
| 22:51.42 | telemachus | ah, laughs |
| 22:51.42 | Yarcanox | some hints: |
| 22:51.44 | marina | ..or a way to install konqueror without install the whole kde heavy stuff? |
| 22:51.44 | telemachus | right |
| 22:51.51 | Yarcanox | the uninstall told me that it couldn't access two symlinks it installed |
| 22:51.54 | Yarcanox | this means something has been changed |
| 22:51.58 | Yarcanox | could this probably be the cause? |
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| 22:52.11 | xuser | marina: never used kde but I think there is somke kde-lite stuff around |
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| 22:52.21 | telemachus | I doubt it Yarcanox |
| 22:52.22 | Yarcanox | symlink on /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 22:52.23 | Yarcanox | and... |
| 22:52.39 | Yarcanox | on /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1 |
| 22:52.43 | telemachus | night all, good luck Yarcanox |
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| 22:52.50 | Yarcanox | hum... n8... |
| 22:52.59 | marina | xuser: me too. if i try to install konqueror apt want install something like 128mb of sh*t.. :) |
| 22:53.32 | marina | so i'm looking for another, lighter, KTML-based browser |
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| 22:53.50 | marina | i mean KHTML-based |
| 22:54.01 | ianus | marina as far as i know just safary and konqueror use KHTML |
| 22:54.18 | Yarcanox | safari uses webkit, which is an altered version of KHTML |
| 22:54.19 | marina | that's sad.. |
| 22:54.31 | ianus | ...and yes i think most of us are guys (...maybe all of us) |
| 22:54.40 | ianus | :P |
| 22:54.44 | Yarcanox | so safari doesn't use original KHTML |
| 22:55.00 | Yarcanox | and webkit is still a lot different from KHTML as I read in a magazine |
| 22:55.02 | marina | i've to develop smthing compatible with safari.. and konqueror it is. |
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| 22:55.15 | Yarcanox | what about developing your own HTML rendering lib? |
| 22:55.18 | Yarcanox | :D |
| 22:55.23 | ianus | yap safari use a version of it |
| 22:55.25 | marina | lol |
| 22:56.04 | marina | Yarcanox: it's still a solution. maybe not so effective, but a possible solution. rotfl |
| 22:56.23 | cahoot | epiphany-webkit in sid? |
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| 22:56.54 | Yarcanox | hm |
| 22:57.08 | marina | there isn't in the stable? |
| 22:57.09 | Yarcanox | I installed nvidia-kernel-mykernelversion now |
| 22:57.18 | cahoot | no |
| 22:57.18 | Yarcanox | but Xorg tells me the driver "nvidia" does not exist |
| 22:57.22 | Yarcanox | do I still need to add another package? |
| 22:57.46 | marina | i'll try |
| 22:58.12 | Yarcanox | marina which libs will you use to display all the stuff? |
| 22:58.19 | Yarcanox | GTK+ or something? |
| 22:58.34 | cahoot | marina: actually seems to be in testing/lenny too |
| 22:59.04 | Yarcanox | so what's about debian-nvidia-packages now, do I need anything else except nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686? |
| 22:59.12 | Yarcanox | do I probably need to reboot? =P |
| 22:59.17 | marina | Yarcanox: no idea |
| 22:59.21 | marina | i use wmaker |
| 22:59.29 | Yarcanox | np marina I am asking everyone :) |
| 22:59.34 | Yarcanox | ah was that about the libs now? hm |
| 22:59.45 | w3rd_ | hey guys i have 2 files that i created for my ssl cert... which are server.crt and server.key, i moved one of the files to /etc/ssl/private? where should i put the other file? |
| 22:59.45 | Yarcanox | I think the main prob about an own browser is opening all the images |
| 22:59.54 | Yarcanox | you would have to develop an own lib to parse PNG/JPG |
| 23:00.00 | Yarcanox | or live with all the exploits the finished libs might have.. |
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| 23:00.33 | marina | .. are u seriously considering this weird idea? lol |
| 23:00.40 | msmazur | hi |
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| 23:00.47 | Yarcanox | yes marina |
| 23:00.49 | Yarcanox | I am |
| 23:00.54 | marina | crazy man.. |
| 23:00.59 | Yarcanox | =( |
| 23:01.06 | marina | lol |
| 23:01.31 | Yarcanox | have better getting someone to tell me waht I need to do to complete the debian-way of installing the nvidia drivers o.O lol |
| 23:01.34 | Yarcanox | because I have no idea xD |
| 23:01.36 | msmazur | can anybody explain me how to do this: "be aware that you have to point. |
| 23:01.37 | msmazur | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.37 | msmazur | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.08 | msmazur | hey people is anybody here who can help ? |
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| 23:08.51 | streuner_ | wbr abrotman |
| 23:08.54 | Younix | balls |
| 23:09.28 | Yarcanox | wb abrotman |
| 23:09.47 | Yarcanox | so what do I need to do except apt-get/installing nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686? |
| 23:09.56 | Yarcanox | X still tells me it has never heard of the driver named "nvidia" :< |
| 23:10.02 | lunaphyte | do i want tsc as a clocksource, or acpi_pm? |
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| 23:13.11 | Madd_Matt | Yarcanox, nvidia-glx too |
| 23:13.41 | Madd_Matt | There's a package called nvidia-driver too iirc, but I don't remember if its outdated or just pulls in -kernel and -glx |
| 23:13.55 | Yarcanox | Madd_Matt will -glx give me some open source driver or the proprietary one? |
| 23:14.06 | Madd_Matt | Yarcanox, proprietary |
| 23:14.12 | Yarcanox | hum ok.. |
| 23:14.15 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:14.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 23:14.37 | Madd_Matt | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 23:14.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 23:15.28 | abrotman | Madd_Matt: he's on etch |
| 23:15.35 | Seb | hrm, I can't seem to unstall sun-java5 on sid, but the BTS doesn't mention anything about it: sun-java5-bin: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-14-3) but 1.5.0-15-1 is to be installed, and sun-java5-jre: Depends: sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-15-1) but 1.5.0-14-3 is to be installed |
| 23:15.39 | Seb | is it my mirror ? |
| 23:15.44 | Yarcanox | it already works it seems |
| 23:15.46 | Yarcanox | :) |
| 23:15.58 | Yarcanox | waah |
| 23:16.03 | Yarcanox | but 3d acceleration is deactivated >.< |
| 23:16.58 | marina | any idea how to emulate the right button with a touch panel? |
| 23:16.58 | abrotman | Seb: it is unstable |
| 23:16.58 | Yarcanox | it tells me failed to initialise NVIDIA kernel module now :< |
| 23:17.11 | abrotman | Seb: check packages.debian.org .. see if your version matches that one |
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| 23:18.09 | Seb | abrotman: ah, a new one hit sid yesterday |
| 23:18.15 | abrotman | Seb: see! |
| 23:18.17 | Yarcanox | Failed to initialise the NVidia kernel module... |
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| 23:18.26 | Seb | abrotman: funny that parts of the binary packages are up to date, and others are not, for one same source pacakge |
| 23:18.31 | Seb | abrotman: but oh well :) |
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| 23:18.44 | abrotman | Seb: not funny at all |
| 23:18.54 | Seb | abrotman: figure of speech |
| 23:19.34 | w3rd_ | just created an ssl key, should i update the settings in /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf to point in /etc/ssl/certs/server.crt and /etc/ssl/private/server.key , is this how you get apache to see a self signed key or do you need to modify the .pem file? |
| 23:20.23 | Younix | im not a woman YOU THINK |
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| 23:20.28 | Yarcanox | Failed to initialise NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly. |
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| 23:20.34 | _TuXeD_ | nas |
| 23:20.35 | marina | anyone have ever heard about Konqueror Embedded? |
| 23:20.40 | Yarcanox | Please consult the NVIDIA readme for details. |
| 23:21.21 | marina | it seems to be the light version of konqueror. it doesn't need x as well.. |
| 23:21.44 | Yarcanox | what does it use to render it's stuff? |
| 23:21.45 | marina | no need to have x server and kde.. no bad :) |
| 23:21.48 | Yarcanox | *its |
| 23:21.54 | marina | khtml |
| 23:22.00 | Yarcanox | no, as graphical output |
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| 23:22.05 | mbroeker | w3rd_, tell me the name of your organisation, "DEMO" for example and i will paste you a script for apache... |
| 23:22.07 | Yarcanox | as it doesn't use X it must use something else o.O |
| 23:22.12 | marina | it's still not webkit |
| 23:22.33 | marina | ah ok. i guess it's all inside it.. look here: |
| 23:22.44 | marina | http://konqueror.kde.org/embedded/ |
| 23:23.01 | w3rd_ | k |
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| 23:23.41 | w3rd_ | mbroeker: i have 285 for the orginization |
| 23:23.45 | msmazur | guys can you tell me module-assistant or make-kpkg to use these sources instead of the |
| 23:23.45 | msmazur | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.48 | w3rd_ | '285' |
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| 23:24.04 | mbroeker | w3rd_, come on, give me a name. |
| 23:24.23 | w3rd_ | that is the name that i put in the form for orginization |
| 23:24.32 | w3rd_ | u could also use |
| 23:24.39 | w3rd_ | Tek-op, INc. |
| 23:24.42 | w3rd_ | try that |
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| 23:24.56 | abrotman | msmazur: say what? |
| 23:25.26 | msmazur | how to pint module-assistant or make-kpkg to use these sources instead of the public kernel headers -please |
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| 23:25.36 | msmazur | i am trying to compilemodules for lirc |
| 23:26.15 | mbroeker | w3rd_, http://rafb.net/p/8VpCFU49.html try this one |
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| 23:27.21 | w3rd_ | so will this let me open sudo aptitude install apache-ssl? |
| 23:27.38 | w3rd_ | cause i keep getting errors each time that i try to run that and install |
| 23:27.39 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 23:28.02 | msmazur | abrotman: am i still not clear ? |
| 23:28.17 | mbroeker | w3rd_, sorry, i thought, you already know, what you want. |
| 23:28.22 | abrotman | msmazur: m-a a-i prepare ? |
| 23:28.23 | abrotman | erm |
| 23:28.26 | abrotman | m-a prepare |
| 23:28.31 | msmazur | i have done |
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| 23:28.45 | msmazur | but it is using kernel-headers |
| 23:28.51 | msmazur | i want to use linux-source |
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| 23:30.07 | Yarcanox | help! I have still the old kernel module from my script install from that install thingy from nvidia.com on my computer |
| 23:30.08 | abrotman | why? |
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| 23:30.23 | Yarcanox | and now the driver installed through nvidia-glx does not work :( |
| 23:30.40 | itchi | Hi, a stupid question: Can't we not recall a mail message? Seems only a feature in MS Outlook :-( |
| 23:30.45 | msmazur | because i can not compile lirc-modules without them |
| 23:30.46 | Yarcanox | I uninstalled that script as you told me, but somehow this seems to have staid on the PC |
| 23:30.49 | Yarcanox | :( |
| 23:30.51 | abrotman | Yarcanox: that's why you don't use that thing |
| 23:30.52 | Yarcanox | how can I remove this now? |
| 23:31.10 | Yarcanox | abrotman at least it worked the first time... until X decided to quit after the reboot :( |
| 23:31.15 | abrotman | itchi: it's totally bogus |
| 23:31.25 | Yarcanox | and someone in #linux told me that the script is a better approach than the debpackages |
| 23:31.27 | abrotman | Yarcanox: not really working then is it :) |
| 23:31.28 | msmazur | documentation says that i need to point m-a to source and i do not know how |
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| 23:31.32 | abrotman | Yarcanox: they're stupid |
| 23:31.34 | Yarcanox | and some guy in #nvidia told me to try a better distribution =P |
| 23:31.43 | Yarcanox | so I have a lots of useless hints |
| 23:31.45 | Yarcanox | and nothing works. :< |
| 23:32.03 | itchi | Yarcanox: You need to manually cleanup things. Have fun :-s |
| 23:32.13 | Yarcanox | are you serious? O.o |
| 23:32.16 | Younix | Yarcanox: who are you |
| 23:32.25 | Yarcanox | erm... hum I'm Yarcanox |
| 23:32.31 | Younix | why |
| 23:32.31 | itchi | Yarcanox: If you had trace this nvidia install, you could know which files where created/modified |
| 23:32.45 | Yarcanox | itchi I expected the official driver to work properly o.O |
| 23:33.15 | itchi | Yarcanox: It's not because it's some stuff of the brand that it is 100% okay |
| 23:33.18 | Yarcanox | and it worked, until the first reboot, but failed to uninstall obviously... which I didn't expect, too :< |
| 23:33.55 | Yarcanox | itchi dunno, but I'm thinking about installing ubuntu again because things just worked there |
| 23:33.58 | itchi | Yarcanox: I got once the same problem that you has now, some helped me to cleanup the things manually, but don't ask me how i did :-p |
| 23:34.01 | Yarcanox | it's just that ubuntu is so much slower :< |
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| 23:34.13 | Yarcanox | itchi the big joke is that the script worked first |
| 23:34.15 | Yarcanox | until a reboot |
| 23:34.22 | Yarcanox | and then X just crashed on every startup |
| 23:34.28 | Yarcanox | and I was screwed up |
| 23:34.34 | itchi | Yarcanox: Ubuntu is Debian bassed. So i can only be: bugs of debian + extra bugs of Ubuntu |
| 23:34.48 | icesword | hohoho |
| 23:34.49 | dondelelcaro | itchi: minus bugs they've fixed |
| 23:34.57 | Yarcanox | itchi: driver install is so easy there |
| 23:35.00 | dondelelcaro | (though we're usually fairly good about picking those fixes up) |
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| 23:35.21 | Yarcanox | on suse/debian you have the distro way of doing it which doesn't work all the time, the script which can't uninstall properly which works SOMETIMES |
| 23:35.35 | Yarcanox | and ubuntu just has that nice window where you click on "install" and you're done :< |
| 23:35.41 | dondelelcaro | Yarcanox: the distribution way works all of the time, actually. |
| 23:35.47 | dondelelcaro | (at least, if you're using stable) |
| 23:35.49 | Yarcanox | but I don't like ubuntu that much |
| 23:35.53 | itchi | Yarcanox: I suggest to ask for support on nvidia, they should know how that script work |
| 23:35.53 | Yarcanox | because it's slower than debian |
| 23:36.00 | Yarcanox | itchi they are all sleeping there |
| 23:36.11 | itchi | Yarcanox: Well, wait :-p |
| 23:36.11 | Yarcanox | only one guy was there after a long waiting time which didn't have that much time |
| 23:36.17 | telemachus | and the uninstallation works just fine too, in my experience |
| 23:36.24 | icesword | Yarcanox, ubuntu is slower than debian,how come? |
| 23:36.24 | telemachus | Yarcanox: what didn't work about the uninstallation? |
| 23:36.33 | Yarcanox | telemachus the kernel module is appearently still installed |
| 23:36.38 | telemachus | icesword: loads more services at startup |
| 23:36.42 | telemachus | rmmod it |
| 23:36.45 | telemachus | or reboot |
| 23:36.47 | icesword | hehe |
| 23:36.54 | icesword | that is it |
| 23:36.55 | Yarcanox | reboot? ok |
| 23:36.59 | Yarcanox | ok... I'll try it |
| 23:37.07 | telemachus | or rmmod it |
| 23:37.15 | telemachus | as root, issue rmmod nvidia |
| 23:37.19 | dondelelcaro | Yarcanox: what version of Debian are you running? Why haven't you installed the appropriate nvidia-glx packages and/or build the nvidia kernel modules? |
| 23:37.31 | telemachus | dondelelcaro: he is running etch |
| 23:37.38 | telemachus | he had already installed the nvidia script |
| 23:37.40 | abrotman | and he used hte nvidia.com installer |
| 23:37.41 | itchi | Yarcanox: Can't you not locate that module and move it? |
| 23:37.43 | telemachus | he needs to uninstall it first |
| 23:37.45 | abrotman | and is now trying to use the debian one |
| 23:38.00 | Yarcanox | yes, because the nvidia one worked until the first reboot... :< |
| 23:38.04 | Yarcanox | ok now rebooting again |
| 23:38.08 | Yarcanox | to get it uninstalled |
| 23:38.22 | abrotman | that's called .. NOT working |
| 23:38.26 | telemachus | this is my second round of this |
| 23:38.31 | telemachus | how long has it been going on? |
| 23:38.39 | abrotman | telemachus: a few hours for yarcanox |
| 23:38.52 | telemachus | going to be a long night for him, I think |
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| 23:40.07 | itchi | Recall a mail will be a nice feature |
| 23:40.26 | itchi | Bah, i should pay more attention :-s |
| 23:40.47 | dondelelcaro | MS exchange implements it in a really broken fashion |
| 23:41.04 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps, a really amusing one) |
| 23:41.07 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Well, i don't got any troubles yet with it, not yet |
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| 23:41.58 | seth1248 | Will the debian netinstall cd work as a grub boot disk? |
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| 23:42.15 | V4Nelle | guys in debian the disk where are mounted?in /mnt? |
| 23:42.18 | Yarcanox | back |
| 23:42.21 | Yarcanox | X starts now |
| 23:42.23 | dondelelcaro | V4Nelle: wherever you mount them. |
| 23:42.29 | abrotman | seth1248: /msg dpkg rescue cd |
| 23:42.36 | Yarcanox | using "nvidia" as driver and loading the module "glx", too |
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| 23:42.50 | Yarcanox | (or at least that's written in the config and it doesn't print any error message) |
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| 23:43.00 | Yarcanox | but when compiling my game, it tells me that the opengl lib is missing |
| 23:43.22 | itchi | Yarcanox: So you problem is been fixed? |
| 23:43.24 | adama | V4Nelle: removable disks usually go in /media/ |
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| 23:43.34 | Yarcanox | hm |
| 23:43.43 | Yarcanox | itchi just tried to run a 3d accelerated app - worked |
| 23:43.44 | itchi | Yarcanox: These about the compile is somethings different |
| 23:43.48 | Yarcanox | and no, the prob is not fixed :/ |
| 23:43.54 | Yarcanox | because with the nvidia script I had those opengl libs |
| 23:43.57 | Yarcanox | so it's... half-fixed |
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| 23:44.07 | Yarcanox | I still need those libs, but 3d acc itself seems to work now :) |
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| 23:44.29 | dondelelcaro | Yarcanox: because you most likely haven't installed libgl1-mesa-dev or similar. |
| 23:44.34 | dondelelcaro | !tell Yarcanox -about search |
| 23:45.08 | telemachus | Yarcanox: do you have mesa-utils installed? |
| 23:45.12 | Yarcanox | dondelelcaro why mesa? |
| 23:45.20 | dondelelcaro | Yarcanox: because it's the opengl api implementation |
| 23:45.26 | Yarcanox | I want 3d acceleration, isn't mesa only a CPU emulation? |
| 23:45.35 | Yarcanox | won't mesa headers just give access to the emulated mesa? |
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| 23:45.41 | dondelelcaro | Yarcanox: no, and no. |
| 23:45.44 | Yarcanox | ah ok |
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| 23:45.50 | Yarcanox | wait a sec then :) |
| 23:45.56 | itchi | Have a nice night guys! |
| 23:46.05 | telemachus | night, itchi |
| 23:46.24 | dondelelcaro | Yarcanox: what are you building, anyway? |
| 23:46.41 | Yarcanox | my own game app, using the irrlicht engine |
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| 23:47.12 | Yarcanox | mesa-dev is installed, mesa-utils not... /me waits for apt-get to finish |
| 23:47.15 | Younix | dmz is stupid |
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| 23:47.59 | dondelelcaro | you shouldn't need mesa-utils to compile, but whatever... |
| 23:48.02 | icesword | abrotman, i remember you told me you are in GMT+1.right?but it is 00:47 there ,right |
| 23:48.12 | Yarcanox | dondelelcaro: mesa-dev and mesa-utils is installed, it still tells me -lGl would be missing |
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| 23:49.06 | abrotman | icesword: i never told you any such thing |
| 23:49.23 | dondelelcaro | Yarcanox: you need libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 23:49.43 | Younix | !bittornado |
| 23:49.43 | dpkg | hmm... bittornado is the best bit torrent client ever. aptitude install bittornado-gui |
| 23:49.47 | Younix | that's right |
| 23:50.04 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: factinfo bittornado |
| 23:50.04 | icesword | abrotman, i just remembered,maybe i was wrong |
| 23:50.04 | dpkg | bittornado -- created by Younix <n=Younix@r47h169.dixie-net.com> 25m 3s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by Younix, 21s ago. |
| 23:50.10 | [ACE]Roller | http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2008/february/news_13456.html |
| 23:50.11 | Younix | :< |
| 23:50.12 | Yarcanox | dondelelcaro which is installed |
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| 23:50.30 | abrotman | [ACE]Roller: wrong channel |
| 23:50.38 | Younix | dpkg: factinfo sex |
| 23:50.39 | dpkg | sex -- last modified at Fri Mar 11 21:23:42 2005 by greycat!rfc1413@wooledge.org; it has been requested 501 times, last by JohnMM, 1d 19h 32m ago. |
| 23:50.42 | Younix | that's wrong. |
| 23:50.51 | abrotman | Younix: leave it alone |
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| 23:50.57 | Younix | abrotman: eat shit. |
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| 23:51.10 | booh_ | pwnt |
| 23:51.26 | icesword | ... |
| 23:52.07 | dondelelcaro | Yarcanox: then see what the library path is, since libgl1-mesa-dev depends on the appropriate libgl1-mesa-glx library, which is generally what you link against. |
| 23:52.30 | Yarcanox | um.. how can I find this out? |
| 23:52.44 | Yarcanox | libgl1-mesa-glx is installed, too |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | maybe reinstall it |
| 23:52.57 | igneous | yo, I'm having a really wierd issue with nvidia and glx.. It works if I compile the driver with the nvidia installer (glx and everything works), and then upon reboot.. X fails to load the driver.. I think I might be loading the wrong modules or something, because I followed an out of date tutorial before I did this (no sadly I can't reproduce this tut link). |
| 23:53.00 | ephesius | anyone know of a command line dc++ client |
| 23:53.03 | dondelelcaro | Yarcanox: see what -l is for the linker, and/or reconfigure the source |
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| 23:53.06 | Yarcanox | wtf |
| 23:53.16 | damaltor | hello there, someone familiar with cups here? i want to disable https / encryption (temporarily) so that i can manage printers via LAN without being redirected to https pages cause they dont load... these pages always come when using the /admin directory, though i commented "Encryption required" in cupsd.conf. what can i do? |
| 23:53.31 | Yarcanox | it seems to me like igneous just has the same issue as me o.O |
| 23:54.04 | abrotman | yes .. you're both not supposed to use the nvidia.com installer |
| 23:54.26 | dondelelcaro | igneous: remove everything that the nvidia.com installer installed, and use the Debian packages like you're supposed to. |
| 23:54.44 | Yarcanox | dondelelcaro how can I found what -l is for the linker? :/ sorry I'm asking so much :( |
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| 23:55.13 | igneous | dondelelcaro: I honestly don't know how to do that, aside from doing it manually.. Is there an automated way to do this? |
| 23:55.30 | dondelelcaro | igneous: not to my knowledge. |
| 23:55.54 | dondelelcaro | the nvidia.com installer stomps all over things it shouldn't be, which is why you shouldn't ever use it. |
| 23:55.54 | igneous | and then, after It's removed.. I just m-a update and m-a prepare? |
| 23:56.08 | Yarcanox | ignoeus there is an easy way to uninstall it |
| 23:56.09 | dondelelcaro | igneous: what version of Debian are you running |
| 23:56.14 | Yarcanox | just do sh ./scripthingy --uninstall |
| 23:56.20 | Yarcanox | I just had to do the same thing 10 minutes ago =P |
| 23:56.28 | igneous | dondelelcaro: etch |
| 23:56.29 | Yarcanox | and don't forget to reboot to get rid of everything |
| 23:56.36 | Yarcanox | before you start to install it the debian-way |
| 23:56.36 | igneous | Yarcanox: thanks, I was going to try that anyways |
| 23:56.47 | Yarcanox | np |
| 23:57.03 | dondelelcaro | igneous: just install the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-2.6-686; packages (or wahtever is appropriate) |
| 23:57.14 | elif | hi, how to install a testing package into a stable debian system? I do use aptitude, and have troubles when adding in source.list a testing repos, 'cause aptitude tries to do a distro upgrade, and I don't want it. Is there a clean way ? thks |
| 23:57.16 | dondelelcaro | (since they're already compiled for etch's kernel anyway) |
| 23:57.24 | Yarcanox | dondelelcaro how can I found it this.. -l thingy, whatever you mean? do you probably think I need to use something different than -lGl? e.g. -lMesa or something? |
| 23:57.28 | igneous | dondelelcaro: yeah, thanks.. I think I'll be ok |
| 23:57.29 | dondelelcaro | elif: you don't. use a backport if one exists or make it. |
| 23:57.32 | Yarcanox | that linker issue you mentioned |
| 23:57.47 | igneous | bbl |
| 23:58.05 | dondelelcaro | Yarcanox: it should actually be -lGL, not -lGl |
| 23:58.21 | Yarcanox | ah ok... hm |
| 23:58.25 | elif | dondelelcaro: well, where do I read about backport, I don't know nothing about it? |
| 23:58.31 | dondelelcaro | !backports |
| 23:58.31 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 23:59.20 | Yarcanox | dondelelcaro just noticed that it is actually -lGL, I typed it wrong =P sorry |
| 23:59.27 | Yarcanox | so it's -lGL and still not working |
| 23:59.53 | Yarcanox | it tells me /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
