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| 00:00.23 | w3rd_ | how do you update dependencies ... |
| 00:00.32 | w3rd_ | or repositories in debian |
| 00:00.50 | w3rd_ | i try to use apt-get to update pkgs and i get errors that the files dont exsist |
| 00:00.51 | w3rd_ | ? |
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| 00:02.08 | MarcWeber | Which is the right way to install apach2-mod-php5 backport on sarge ? Do I have to add an update site or should download the packages manually? |
| 00:02.25 | abrotman | MarcWeber: there are instructions at backports.org |
| 00:02.52 | MarcWeber | abrotman: thanks I'll have a look at it |
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| 00:05.09 | Igneous | hokay, so i'm up and going.. just now I'm lacking glx |
| 00:06.04 | Igneous | actually I take that back.. glxgears works...... but for some reason compiz-fusion is refusing to start because i'm missing the "xgl" extension |
| 00:06.14 | Igneous | is using the same xorg.conf as before |
| 00:06.43 | MarcWeber | abrotman: I don't have permissions to access this server |
| 00:07.14 | Yarcanox | I can't find the opengl packages which i am missing! |
| 00:07.22 | Yarcanox | libgl1-mesa-dev is installed |
| 00:07.27 | Yarcanox | but it still needs something |
| 00:07.28 | abrotman | MarcWeber: oh crap .. i forgot it's down til tomorrow |
| 00:07.35 | amphi | Igneous: you're using fglrx? |
| 00:07.40 | Igneous | nvidia |
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| 00:08.06 | Igneous | lemme pastebin the console output |
| 00:08.13 | abrotman | MarcWeber: it has mirrors .. but you'd have to learn about pinning |
| 00:08.21 | amphi | you don't need xgl (unless perhaps its a very old card/driver that lacks texture_from_pixmap) |
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| 00:09.13 | Igneous | amphi: it's the nvidia-kernel-2.6.something-486 and nvidia-glx.. and my card is a 7600GT so I doubt that heavily |
| 00:09.42 | amphi | Igneous: so the xgl message is irrelevant |
| 00:09.51 | MarcWeber | abrotman: Pinning means mixing stable and testing features? |
| 00:10.11 | abrotman | MarcWeber: in your case .. mixing sarge and sarge-backports |
| 00:10.25 | Igneous | compiz-manager error: http://pastebin.us/?show=d7ce04582 |
| 00:10.26 | abrotman | MarcWeber: wouldn't you rather just upgrade to etch ? |
| 00:10.34 | w3rd_ | i posted this earlier but i still dont know what i have done wrong... could someone help me with this...http://pastebin.com/m2da77c1a |
| 00:10.42 | w3rd_ | http://pastebin.com/m2da77c1a |
| 00:10.44 | lunaphyte | boy, never in my life did i expect i'd need to turn acpi *on* to fix an issue.. :\ |
| 00:11.01 | Yarcanox | dondelelcaro I installed everything with mesa and opengl and dev I could find, seriously |
| 00:11.19 | Yarcanox | I went through the aptitude list where I searched for "gl" to find the things I'm missing |
| 00:11.28 | Yarcanox | but it still doesn't work, I must have missed something |
| 00:11.38 | Yarcanox | so if someone has a hint, it's not that I wouldn't have searched the package list |
| 00:11.50 | MarcWeber | abrotman: I'm not that familiar with debian (I've been using gentoo and I'm now using nixos).. And it's a server .. So I don't want to break anything. My first guess is that there is a lower chance of breaking anything? (Lacking experience) |
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| 00:12.02 | Igneous | Yarcanox: what's your problem? Pretty much the same as mine? |
| 00:12.23 | abrotman | MarcWeber: yes .. but sarge runs out of security support on tuesday |
| 00:12.32 | Yarcanox | no Igneous don't think so |
| 00:12.41 | Yarcanox | it's about building opengl apps, not about running them or something |
| 00:12.49 | Yarcanox | so 3d acc itself works fine, that's more a software dev prob now |
| 00:13.02 | Igneous | ah.. |
| 00:13.03 | MarcWeber | abrotman: Thanks. We'll try ;-) |
| 00:13.31 | [ACE]Roller | has anyone here tried to run linux from Compact Flash card? |
| 00:13.41 | amphi | Igneous: try running the binary instead of the wrapper |
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| 00:13.53 | Igneous | amphi: compiz --replace? |
| 00:14.03 | amphi | aye |
| 00:14.19 | Igneous | nothing.. just sits there |
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| 00:14.58 | sap | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.27 | amphi | Igneous: then it's running |
| 00:15.42 | MarcWeber | sap: Maybe avidemux.. But don't konw about debian |
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| 00:16.15 | sap | MarcWeber, he's on ubuntu . so u mean it wont work on it? |
| 00:16.39 | abrotman | sap: you shold ask #ubuntu |
| 00:16.42 | Igneous | amphi: but if it's running.. shouldn't I have evidence of compiz running? eg. 3d desktop, wobbly windows, etc |
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| 00:17.25 | sap | abrotman, unfortunately the only response i got from #ubuntu was "convertit" , which I couldnt find enough info about |
| 00:17.36 | abrotman | sap: then ask ##linux |
| 00:17.52 | sap | I was thinking about VLC player but wasnt sure about its capabilities |
| 00:17.56 | amphi | Igneous: one would think so; I have no idea about your setup |
| 00:17.58 | Wyzard | sap: transcode is often used for that sort of thing, though I've never used it myself |
| 00:18.16 | Wyzard | sap: Unofficial packages for Debian are available at debian-multimedia.org... whether they work on Ubuntu, I have no idea |
| 00:18.32 | sap | abrotman, yeah tried ##linux also .. I was recommended ffmpeg .. but its text based . so was lookin for a front end if possible |
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| 00:18.42 | abrotman | sap: we still don't support Ubuntu here |
| 00:19.07 | Igneous | amphi: when I used the nvidia.com installer, and it's modules.. glx worked, and when I ran either compiz-manager or compiz --replace, things actually happened.. The lack of things happpening now leads me to the conclusion that something, somewhere is broken (very astut conclusion, I know). |
| 00:19.15 | Wyzard | sap: See mencoder (counterpart to mplayer) too |
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| 00:19.33 | Wyzard | Igneous: GLX and XGL are two different things |
| 00:19.33 | sap | abrotman, yeah I wouldnt expect an official support.. just some ideas..you know.. ubuntu is debian based .. so chances r that it might work on it as well |
| 00:19.48 | abrotman | sap: we don't support debian-based distros in here |
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| 00:20.30 | sap | abrotman, oh! ..? |
| 00:20.39 | emma | hi |
| 00:20.45 | emma | hi icesword |
| 00:20.50 | sap | Wyzard, k wil try transcode and mencoder |
| 00:21.07 | Wyzard | !tell sap about based on debian |
| 00:21.20 | icesword | emma, ohhh,hello,sir,but i don't remember you |
| 00:21.33 | emma | i'm not a sir but i've spoken to you before *i think* |
| 00:21.36 | emma | :) |
| 00:21.40 | amphi | Igneous: I don't know about nvidia - nassty blobssess |
| 00:21.52 | abrotman | !tell sap about debian-based |
| 00:22.10 | Igneous | Wyzard: regardless.. I have the exact xorg.conf as before.. same settings, "files are identical".. the only thing that's changed is i've switched to the debian nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx.. Now compiz is suddenly broken |
| 00:22.22 | Igneous | amphi: I appreciate your help anyways |
| 00:22.28 | Wyzard | Igneous: Are you running etch? |
| 00:22.31 | Igneous | yep |
| 00:22.48 | sap | lol.. so I now got to know that anything related to general suggestions is strictly considered "offtopic" here.. hmm.. |
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| 00:23.21 | Wyzard | Igneous: The nVidia driver packaged in etch is version 8776, which doesn't support AIGLX and therefore can't run Compiz |
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| 00:24.43 | Wyzard | Igneous: AIGLX and XGL are the two different mechanisms Compiz can use to do its stuff... AIGLX is preferable; XGL has compatibility problems with some applications, and requires additional software that's never been packaged in Debian |
| 00:25.07 | Igneous | Wyzard: wow.. then is there a way I can get the nvidia.com installer to actually WORK? It installs the kernel module, and everything works perfectly untill I reboot.. then x fails to start, and I either have to reinstall the driver.. or something |
| 00:25.28 | Wyzard | Igneous: No idea; I've never used nVidia's installer script, and wouldn't want to |
| 00:25.47 | Wyzard | Igneous: My advice would be to remove that and look for backports of newer nVidia packages for etch (backports.org would be a good place to start) |
| 00:26.13 | Igneous | Wyzard: I'm thinking about switching to sid.. any thoughts? |
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| 00:26.49 | Igneous | lenny/sid, do you think the nvidia package support AIGLX? |
| 00:27.09 | dondelelcaro | they do, but we don't really support sid here |
| 00:27.09 | Igneous | do you know if lenny's nvidia package supports aiglx* |
| 00:27.22 | Igneous | hmm.. |
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| 00:27.29 | Wyzard | Igneous: It's usable as a desktop (I've been running it for years) but needs to be maintained more so it's best not to use it unless you're an expert |
| 00:27.33 | dondelelcaro | (and lenny doesn't currently have the nvidia packages, though you can trivially get them from unstable) |
| 00:27.42 | Ezep | Anyone know if irssi is compiled with ipv6 support? |
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| 00:27.51 | Wyzard | Igneous: lenny currently has no nVidia packages, last I checked, and the ones from sid have compatibility problems with the xorg in lenny |
| 00:28.13 | Wyzard | Igneous: but as for AIGLX support, it was added in the 9xxx-series drivers; anything newer will work |
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| 00:28.36 | Igneous | wtf is up with backports.org? |
| 00:28.42 | Igneous | I don't have permission to access this server. |
| 00:28.47 | abrotman | Igneous: busted |
| 00:28.54 | Wyzard | hmm, interesting, looks like it's down |
| 00:29.00 | Igneous | great |
| 00:29.01 | abrotman | Igneous: http://tretkowski.de/blog/archives/410-Unexpected-downtime.html |
| 00:29.05 | abrotman | it has mirrors |
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| 00:29.43 | dondelelcaro | Ezep: AFAIK, it has it. If you find it doesn't, file a bug (because everything should nowadays) |
| 00:29.59 | abrotman | !bpo down is <reply>27 Mar, 2008 - backports.org is down (should be back tomorrow) http://tretkowski.de/blog/archives/410-Unexpected-downtime.html |
| 00:30.00 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 00:30.02 | Igneous | and uh.. I add this to my sources.list? |
| 00:30.30 | icesword | dpkg said ok? |
| 00:30.30 | Ezep | dondelelcaro: se this plz http://packages.debian.org/lenny/irssi |
| 00:30.39 | dondelelcaro | Ezep: what about it? |
| 00:30.46 | Ezep | dondelelcaro: in tags, it don't say ipv6 :s |
| 00:30.46 | Igneous | one of these mirrors, like.. uh "http://debian.sil.at/backports.org/ main/etch backports" or something? |
| 00:30.57 | dondelelcaro | Ezep: so? |
| 00:31.06 | Ezep | I think it no support |
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| 00:31.27 | dondelelcaro | Ezep: there are loads of things which support ipv6 which do not have tags for it; it's not explicitely related to ipv6 |
| 00:31.29 | dvs | !at |
| 00:31.29 | dpkg | at is probably a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. austria |
| 00:32.02 | Ezep | dondelelcaro: I hope :) |
| 00:32.22 | sap | well, thanks anyway for the suggestions , bye |
| 00:32.27 | mar77i | what's wrong with my finch? it somehow fucks up unicode on urxvt. And it doesn't do so on ubuntu... what's the difference? |
| 00:32.29 | Wyzard | icesword: Looks right, though I don't remember offhand whether that's the right URL format |
| 00:32.31 | Ezep | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 00:32.43 | icesword | Wyzard, error |
| 00:32.48 | dondelelcaro | mar77i: uh... we don't distribute finch |
| 00:33.19 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: There's a package called "finch" in sid, though not in etch |
| 00:33.32 | w3rd_ | if i try to uninstall a pkge and it says that files are left and not removed... how do remove all files |
| 00:33.34 | icesword | !echo error |
| 00:33.34 | dpkg | error |
| 00:33.37 | w3rd_ | or do i have to manually remove |
| 00:33.38 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 00:33.49 | Wyzard | w3rd_: You want to "purge" the package rather than "remove" |
| 00:33.59 | w3rd_ | that is what i tried to do... |
| 00:34.01 | dondelelcaro | oh, heh; thought that was an ubuntu release name for a second there |
| 00:34.09 | Wyzard | w3rd_: That removes conffiles (typically things in /etc) that are left behind in a normal remove |
| 00:34.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i was just about to tell you that it's in lenny |
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| 00:34.48 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: nope, that's "fawn" |
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| 00:35.05 | Wyzard | though my first thought was Fink, the now-defunct .deb-based package system for OSX |
| 00:35.09 | elif | dondelelcaro: I read about backport, but something tricked me, to compile the package I want (r-base) I need lots of tools in version only found in testing (g++ 4:4.1) but etch has g++ 4.1.1, texinfo, etc... so I'll have to backport all of these also ? (what is a complete waste of time, better do a distro upgrade them) |
| 00:35.24 | w3rd_ | Wyzard: aptitude purge apache-ssl that is the command that i ran |
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| 00:35.35 | w3rd_ | supposedly apache 2.2 has built in ssl support? |
| 00:35.39 | w3rd_ | is that correct |
| 00:35.45 | Wyzard | w3rd_: I believe it does, though I haven't used it |
| 00:35.53 | mar77i | dondelelcaro, what about that "unicode" and "unicode-data" support? does it affect the kernel directly? |
| 00:35.54 | dondelelcaro | elif: well, you can actually compile it just using stuff that's in etch, and r-base also exists in etch. |
| 00:36.14 | w3rd_ | could you take a look at the error that im getting |
| 00:36.23 | dondelelcaro | mar77i: it's got nothing to do with the kernel; you'd have to tell us explicitely what is going wrong with the output of uxrvt |
| 00:36.26 | elif | dondelelcaro: I do now, but in v. 2-4-2 and i need 2.6.2 (bioconductor) |
| 00:36.31 | elif | *know |
| 00:36.38 | w3rd_ | Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/m2da77c1a |
| 00:36.56 | dondelelcaro | heh. bioconductor has rather wrong dependencies on the version of R it requires |
| 00:37.02 | mar77i | although I'm using urxvt, the displaying font is converted to iso8859-1 |
| 00:37.17 | dondelelcaro | elif: but in any event, the easiest way to do this if you only want to run R is to either upgrade to lenny or run a lenny chroot. |
| 00:37.42 | dondelelcaro | elif: I personally do the latter on my production machines that need to run bioconductor 2.6, but it's really up to you. |
| 00:37.45 | Wyzard | w3rd_: I thought you're trying to remove apache-ssl, not install it? |
| 00:37.54 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever version bioc is up to now) |
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| 00:38.19 | elif | dondelelcaro: thks for the tips ! |
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| 00:38.59 | mar77i | ...when entering directly. And the contact list, containing loads of special chars is not aligned correctly, there seems to be a difference between the comparison of length internally and when displaying (the display comes out too short, corrupting the ascii scroll bar) |
| 00:39.31 | w3rd_ | well, i was trying to install originally |
| 00:39.35 | abrotman | mar77i: wait .. which host ? |
| 00:39.49 | abrotman | mar77i: oh .. ignore me .. j.org is hosed |
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| 00:41.43 | Wyzard | w3rd_: Well, it's failing to configure (the last step of installation) because it's failing to start |
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| 00:42.14 | lymeca | I have a partition (actually an LV but whateva) mounted with files formatted using reiserfs. I want it to be ext3 though. What's the best way to do this? Should I just run mkfs.ext3? |
| 00:42.16 | Wyzard | w3rd_: and the failure to start looks like it might have something to do with that FANCYTTY variable, but I can't tell for sure from that output |
| 00:42.32 | Wyzard | w3rd_: You'd have to take a look at the /etc/init.d/apache-ssl script to see what it's trying to do |
| 00:42.49 | w3rd_ | let me take a look... |
| 00:42.58 | Wyzard | lymeca: If you don't have any data in it that you want to keep, that's the correct thing to do |
| 00:43.16 | Wyzard | lymeca: and you may need to update /etc/fstab accordingly |
| 00:43.17 | w3rd_ | im trying to follow this guide .... http://firmanix.com/deb-snort-howto.pdf |
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| 00:44.18 | TrIXx | hi @ chanel |
| 00:44.37 | Ezep | Is here david pashley (irssi mantainer) |
| 00:44.40 | Ezep | ? |
| 00:44.59 | cafuego | TrIXx: Oh you got here eventually |
| 00:45.01 | abrotman | Ezep: not likely |
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| 00:45.22 | w3rd_ | Wyzard: i dont think that i have apache-ssl installed n e more... i think that i removed it... |
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| 00:45.35 | TrIXx | have i did something wrong??? |
| 00:45.49 | cafuego | Well, I saw you fiddling on #ubuntu :-) |
| 00:45.58 | Ezep | abrotman: I think the same :s |
| 00:46.15 | Ezep | Avoiding e-mail is impossible |
| 00:46.16 | Wyzard | w3rd_: then what's the problem you're trying to fix? |
| 00:46.29 | TrIXx | i am on search for help with debian |
| 00:46.30 | abrotman | Ezep: okay |
| 00:46.43 | w3rd_ | well i would like to install it per requirement for the snort guide... |
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| 00:47.50 | themill | w3rd_: you do know apache 1.3 is being removed from Debian and that you should be using apache 2.2 now, don't you? |
| 00:48.10 | w3rd_ | yes.. and that is what im going to install this next go... |
| 00:48.27 | w3rd_ | when i try to install... should i use aptitude install apache-ssl2.2 |
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| 00:48.36 | w3rd_ | how do you annotate the specific pkg |
| 00:48.39 | w3rd_ | ? |
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| 00:49.11 | Wyzard | w3rd_: Just install apache2 |
| 00:49.19 | gkahla | I'm running an up-to-date Etch desktop system, and I'd like to watch rtsp:// - I haven't found a how to for it (except setting up a server) - ideas? |
| 00:49.26 | w3rd_ | k |
| 00:49.45 | themill | w3rd_: ssl stuff is built into apache2, it's not a separate server like it was in 1.3. As a result, it's much easier to set up. |
| 00:49.54 | w3rd_ | oh |
| 00:50.41 | themill | check out http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 |
| 00:51.56 | abrotman | gkahla: real media ? |
| 00:52.17 | gkahla | abrotman- unfortunately, no - it's quicktime .mov's |
| 00:52.38 | abrotman | gkahla: vlc ? |
| 00:52.43 | w3rd_ | themill: that is a great doc |
| 00:52.46 | gkahla | i've got the codecs, but totem doesn't know which end is up |
| 00:52.57 | themill | w3rd_: it's an excellent site |
| 00:52.58 | elif | dondelelcaro: well, just for correction, actually there's no way to build package without, the tools compiling meeting the versions declared at .dsc file |
| 00:53.00 | gkahla | checking vlc |
| 00:53.06 | abrotman | gkahla: got the codecs from where and put them where? |
| 00:53.13 | w3rd_ | and that install for apache2 was extremely simple |
| 00:53.22 | w3rd_ | done in like 2 seconds |
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| 00:53.45 | gkahla | installed good/bad/ugly for gstreamer as well as w32codecs from marillat |
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| 00:53.57 | gkahla | i can double click a .mov and watch it |
| 00:54.03 | gkahla | it's the streaming that I can't do |
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| 00:54.22 | ross | ok |
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| 00:55.02 | ross | i instyalled vncserver |
| 00:55.05 | ross | and i wanna know how when i connect |
| 00:55.08 | ross | it opens up a terminal |
| 00:55.09 | ross | :) |
| 00:55.11 | titii | Hey friends, I sent some email trough the website, he tell me, the email was sent. But no email in the mail box... Can I somehow see on the server in a maillog what happend? Maybe I find some errors.. Thank you |
| 00:55.11 | ross | with |
| 00:55.29 | ross | X |
| 00:56.26 | dondelelcaro | elif: that's actually incorrect; it's possible to compile even without the exact versions in most cases. |
| 00:57.19 | dondelelcaro | elif: and most of the versioned dependencies are satisfiable in etch anyway. |
| 00:57.29 | stiv2k | how do i create a directory link |
| 00:57.34 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: with ln |
| 00:57.36 | stiv2k | i tried ln and ln -s and ln -t |
| 00:57.49 | stiv2k | it says hardlink not allowed for directories |
| 00:57.51 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: it's ln -s; assuming the filesystem supports softlinks. |
| 00:58.02 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: ext3 -> ntfs ? |
| 00:58.19 | elif | dondelelcaro: but then I'll have to edit the .dsc file to meet versions of my system wont it ? |
| 00:58.25 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: so long as the link is on an ext3 filesystem, it will work. The other direction is not supported. |
| 00:58.26 | w3rd_ | themill: how do i create the ssl cert |
| 00:58.26 | w3rd_ | ? |
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| 00:58.36 | w3rd_ | apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 00:58.38 | dondelelcaro | elif: no, you don't edit the .dsc. You edit debian/control if necessary. |
| 00:58.42 | w3rd_ | comes back with command not found? |
| 00:58.58 | dondelelcaro | !simple ssl cert |
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| 00:59.03 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: and you're saying it has to be -s symbolic? |
| 00:59.21 | dondelelcaro | !self-signed ssl key |
| 00:59.21 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
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| 00:59.25 | dondelelcaro | w3rd_: see above. |
| 00:59.34 | smacnay | anyone here used f-spot and gthumb. Can gthumb organize photos as well as f-spot does? |
| 00:59.35 | themill | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 00:59.35 | dpkg | well, apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer present: use make-ssl-cert from package ssl-cert instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520 |
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| 01:00.00 | Seldaek | heya, I'm trying to do a symlink or other link.. I'm not sure which type but I would like to link a directory into another one, ln -s works but the http server fails to read them properly |
| 01:00.08 | GuardianCieego | Yes i Do |
| 01:00.19 | GuardianCieego | Mmm, Chau |
| 01:00.19 | Seldaek | so I'd like ot know about other options |
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| 01:00.19 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: apahce2-ssl-certificate =~ s/use/ask me about <self-signed ssl key> or use/ |
| 01:00.19 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: i didn't have anything called 'apahce2-ssl-certificate' to modify |
| 01:00.19 | w3rd_ | i try the above and get a .crt file and a .key file |
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| 01:00.21 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 01:00.22 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: apache2-ssl-certificate =~ s/use/ask me about <self-signed ssl key> or use/ |
| 01:00.22 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 01:00.22 | elif | 'cause i ran here dpkg-buildpackage unsucessull here with the message that requirements aren't safisfied. |
| 01:00.39 | dondelelcaro | elif: you don't actually have to use dpkg-buildpackage; just use fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 01:00.41 | w3rd_ | where should i move those /etc/ssl/cert and /etc/ssl/private |
| 01:00.41 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 01:00.51 | dondelelcaro | w3rd_: doesn't really matter. |
| 01:00.56 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: got it, thanbks |
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| 01:01.01 | w3rd_ | wat do you meen? |
| 01:01.06 | w3rd_ | i could have them n e where |
| 01:01.15 | w3rd_ | how do i tell apache where the files are? |
| 01:01.18 | dondelelcaro | w3rd_: you can put the keys whetever you want. /etc/ssl is a common location for them, but they don't *have* to be there. |
| 01:01.30 | dondelelcaro | w3rd_: apache uses configuration file directives for each ssl enabled server to do that. |
| 01:02.07 | w3rd_ | so does that mean as soon as they are created it will know where they are? |
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| 01:02.22 | w3rd_ | no matter what directory they are stored in? |
| 01:02.28 | dondelelcaro | w3rd_: no, it means that no matter where they are, you have to tell apache where they are. |
| 01:02.29 | gkahla | abrotman - vlc appears to handle rtsp:// - and there's a nice mozilla-plugin too! I believe we've got this taken care of... thanks! |
| 01:02.34 | w3rd_ | oh ... |
| 01:02.44 | abrotman | gkahla: have a good evening |
| 01:02.45 | w3rd_ | so how do i tell apache where they are in httpd.conf? |
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| 01:03.08 | dondelelcaro | w3rd_: you could start by looking at the documentation for the ssl module for starters |
| 01:03.09 | abrotman | w3rd_: httpd.apache.org/doc/ |
| 01:03.31 | dondelelcaro | we've no problem helping you understand it, but doing it all for you is a bit excessive. |
| 01:03.40 | themill | !fish |
| 01:03.40 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 01:03.45 | elif | dondelelcaro: well, I think I reach my knowledge limit in this conversation (what were very nice), but I have to give up from trying use this backport scheme 'cause its reaching a considerable difficult level for me. Anyway, thks for the help |
| 01:04.08 | dondelelcaro | elif: yeah, no worries. the number of packages that you'd have to backport kind of makes it not worthwhile |
| 01:04.11 | gkahla | abrotman - i owe you a beer |
| 01:04.20 | abrotman | gkahla: yay! |
| 01:04.30 | w3rd_ | abrotman: i went to the url that u suggested and i get a 404? |
| 01:04.32 | dondelelcaro | has backported r to etch, but stopped after backporting about 10 of the other modules he needed |
| 01:04.46 | abrotman | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ |
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| 01:04.51 | abrotman | w3rd_: sorry .. docs .. not doc |
| 01:04.56 | w3rd_ | k |
| 01:05.10 | w3rd_ | koo got it now |
| 01:05.11 | w3rd_ | ty guys |
| 01:05.44 | themill | dondelelcaro: r 2.6? |
| 01:05.56 | gkahla | have a great evening / day / morning / etc, folks -- |
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| 01:06.16 | abrotman | oh yeah .. free beer in texas .. Abita Turbo Dog |
| 01:06.24 | Seldaek | please.. is there another way than ln -s to make a link of a directory into another one? |
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| 01:06.37 | Dewi | Seldaek: what's wrong with that way? |
| 01:06.39 | abrotman | Seldaek: there's a hard link .. why? |
| 01:06.44 | Dewi | Seldaek: you can use a hard-link if you want... |
| 01:06.50 | Seldaek | well hard link it says I can't do it on a directory |
| 01:06.54 | abrotman | bind mount perhaps ? |
| 01:06.56 | themill | Seldaek: some filemanagers support doing so with a .desktop file |
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| 01:06.57 | V4Nelle | guys a good debian mirror because the greece one that i use have a problem with 2 packages.....? |
| 01:07.00 | Seldaek | and symlink lighttpd doesn't seem to read them |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 01:07.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 01:07.17 | abrotman | Seldaek: that's probably a config option |
| 01:07.17 | titii | Hey guys, my mailer on the server tell me, the <www-data@odyseusteam.sk>: Sender address rejected: ... I know this is bad, because odyseusteam.sk is not exists already. Where, or how can I change it??? Thank you. |
| 01:07.20 | Dewi | Seldaek: look in the configuration options |
| 01:07.26 | Dewi | Seldaek: you can usually configure that |
| 01:07.26 | Seldaek | hm okay |
| 01:07.38 | Seldaek | didn't think I saw anything about it but thanks I'll have a deeper look |
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| 01:08.39 | Seldaek | "ln -s -t /path/to/linksdir dir" will add a link to ./dir in /path/to/linksdir right? |
| 01:08.40 | Dewi | Seldaek: server.follow-symlink = "enable" |
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| 01:08.50 | Seldaek | just to be sure it's not my fault |
| 01:09.04 | Seldaek | (well it's always my fault up to a point I guess but.. you know) |
| 01:09.26 | Dewi | Seldaek: no, target first, link name second. And you must give the link a name, not just the directory you want it in |
| 01:09.28 | titii | Where can I configure the mail server???? |
| 01:09.37 | abrotman | titii: which mail server are you using? |
| 01:09.44 | Dewi | Seldaek: oh, sorry, I didn't see the -t |
| 01:09.58 | Seldaek | Dewi: okay, thought so, and thanks abuot the config option btw:) |
| 01:10.11 | Dewi | Seldaek: ls -l should show you what you have |
| 01:10.27 | Dewi | Seldaek: if colour is on it will even tell you if the link is valid |
| 01:10.28 | titii | abrotman I dont know, mailman??? The server istaled for me my friend, so I guess I can get this informations be my own :) maybe mailman? |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | titii: no .. not mailman |
| 01:10.58 | abrotman | titii: telnet server 25 .. what does it return (the server type, not the hostname) |
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| 01:11.08 | titii | abrotman so whis one is usual? |
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| 01:11.16 | abrotman | titii: exim4 |
| 01:11.32 | titii | abrotman telnet: could not resolve server/25: Name or service not known |
| 01:11.34 | Seldaek | Dewi: aye.. any idea how to turn on that color btw? I have it in ubuntu but on my web server I can't seem to get it.. (using putty, in case that changes anything) |
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| 01:11.46 | Dewi | titii: use a valid name for the server instead of 'server' |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | titii: "server" is the IP of the server |
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| 01:12.30 | titii | abrotman ok I am in |
| 01:12.30 | sander_m | Hello. Does anyone know what's going on with backports.org? I get a big fat 403 forbidden... |
| 01:12.34 | Dewi | Seldaek: the default user .bashrc has: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 01:12.40 | titii | Dewi thank you |
| 01:12.48 | Boohbah | Seldaek: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 01:12.54 | abrotman | !bpo down |
| 01:12.54 | dpkg | 27 Mar, 2008 - backports.org is down (should be back tomorrow) http://tretkowski.de/blog/archives/410-Unexpected-downtime.html |
| 01:12.57 | abrotman | sander_m: ^^ |
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| 01:13.10 | Dewi | Seldaek: you probably need a vaguely appropriate TERM option for your terminal as well of course... |
| 01:13.11 | blahdeblah-lap | hi - can anyone tell me which version of VNC for Windows is likely to give good performance over a VPN and is free as in speech? |
| 01:13.12 | titii | abrotman Hey, I am in, what now? |
| 01:13.22 | abrotman | titii: i asked you what it says |
| 01:13.35 | Seldaek | Boohbah, Dewi: thanks I'll try that |
| 01:13.36 | blahdeblah-lap | I know this is a stupid place to ask, but i've only ever used VNC on Debian |
| 01:13.38 | abrotman | ultravnc or tightvnc likely |
| 01:13.45 | abrotman | i'd guess |
| 01:14.02 | Dewi | blahdeblah-lap: ultravnc seems pretty good |
| 01:14.08 | sander_m | Thanks! |
| 01:14.13 | titii | abrotman Escape character is '^]'. /nl 220 JOHN Smtp Server |
| 01:14.44 | blahdeblah-lap | Dewi - cool, thanks |
| 01:15.04 | Seldaek | blahdeblah-lap: aye I use ultravnc a lot, works perfectly fine |
| 01:15.17 | Dewi | blahdeblah-lap: afaik it has good performance, but personally I think vnc performance in general is a little disappointing |
| 01:15.24 | Seldaek | blahdeblah-lap: don't forget the video driver thingy addon it helps a bit I think |
| 01:15.29 | abrotman | titii: look in /etc/exim4/ |
| 01:15.32 | Dewi | Seldaek: that would only help if windows is the server side |
| 01:15.36 | titii | abrotman now I should try to send the email? But I know whats wrong... I have to change this domain, can you tell me how??? This is from the log , these URL I need to change, where I can do it? <www-data@odyseusteam.sk>: Sender address rejected: |
| 01:15.39 | Dewi | Seldaek: but it definitely helps then |
| 01:15.54 | Seldaek | Dewi: well.. he asked for windows :p |
| 01:16.07 | Seldaek | but yeah.. I get your point |
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| 01:16.45 | titii | abrotman Folder exists |
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| 01:17.18 | Dewi | titii: it has the exim4 configuration in it |
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| 01:17.40 | p_masho | is there a Debian marketplace? Got a situation where I got an online server that needs "sorting".. needs an experienced admin to move stuff around ie repointing /home to different partitions etc.. |
| 01:17.43 | titii | Dewi so where can UI change this domain? <www-data@odyseusteam.sk>: Sender address rejected: |
| 01:17.56 | titii | Dewi this is from error log |
| 01:18.11 | titii | Dewi where can I change it? |
| 01:18.16 | Dewi | titii: is that a web script you're running? |
| 01:18.30 | titii | Dewi yes, from php |
| 01:18.48 | titii | Dewi But this domain doesnt exists |
| 01:18.51 | Dewi | titii: who is rejecting your mail? |
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| 01:19.31 | Wyzard | probably whatever SMTP server that the script is trying to submit to |
| 01:19.51 | titii | Dewi, <hrajsa@hrajsa.sk>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table (in reply to RCPT TO command)) |
| 01:20.12 | blahdeblah-lap | Seldaek: thanks. I mostly use RDP, which has very good performance, but there are some times where i need to see the same thing as the desktop user. |
| 01:20.14 | abrotman | p_masho: debian.org/consultants/ i believe |
| 01:20.17 | Dewi | titii: that's a problem on the receiving end |
| 01:20.54 | Dewi | titii: it means hrajsa@hrajsa.sk is not a valid address |
| 01:20.54 | Wyzard | Many SMTP servers reject mail claiming to be from nonexistent domains |
| 01:21.06 | Dewi | Wyzard: not with that message |
| 01:21.24 | Wyzard | Not with that one, but he mentioned "sender address rejected" too |
| 01:21.25 | Dewi | Wyzard: but maybe with the one above... I don't think we have the full story |
| 01:21.28 | titii | Dewi but I tries also my valid email ,,,, the same |
| 01:21.29 | Wyzard | No, we don't |
| 01:21.56 | Wyzard | titii: You've mentioned two different error messages... you can't be getting both messages at the same time |
| 01:22.02 | Dewi | titii: I suggest you remove PHP from the equation for now... just get mail working |
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| 01:22.18 | titii | Dewi but here is also the:....828.5338910F782@mail.odyseusteam.sk> .... I told this domain I need to change, maybe this one is causing problem... Can you how to change it? |
| 01:22.24 | p_masho | abrotman: aha... thanks.. looked around but didnt see that... must be tired... |
| 01:22.39 | Dewi | titii: and we really need to know which machine(s) you are configuring, sender or receiver, and what you'd expect their hostnames to be |
| 01:22.51 | abrotman | yay .. my kingsley-rating just went up! |
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| 01:23.19 | Dewi | titii: what should the domain be then? |
| 01:24.31 | titii | Dewi look, my friend instaled my that system, I am a looser, very basic knowladges, and my old web adress was odyseusteam.sk ,,, no I am using e-cards.sk, that error log telling something with that old domain, so this one I have to change, Can you tell me how? |
| 01:24.32 | Seldaek | Dewi: by the way it doesn't seem to see those damn symlinks:/ |
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| 01:24.56 | titii | Dewi I need to change it into www.e-cards.sk |
| 01:25.00 | Dewi | titii: type hostname -f |
| 01:25.04 | Dewi | titii: what does it say? |
| 01:25.16 | titii | Dewi john |
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| 01:25.30 | JordiGH | Hm, if I have a laptop with wireless working, and I want to use it as a dhcp server for a desktop that doesn't have a wireful connection nearby, is this a simple task? |
| 01:25.35 | Dewi | titii: hmm |
| 01:25.45 | Dewi | titii: that's an odd fully qualified hostname |
| 01:25.45 | titii | Dewi this is the name of my server |
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| 01:25.59 | Dewi | titii: I thought you said it was e-cards.sk |
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| 01:27.06 | titii | Dewi I just said, this one is also my domain. but the DNS are on another server of my friend. He just redirecting on my the IPs, and I just have that domain configured in the virtual hosts in apache2 |
| 01:27.48 | Dewi | titii: okay so you want to accept mail for a domain that is different to the domain of your machine? |
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| 01:29.41 | titii | Dewi look, from pop3 of my outlook exp. I can successfully sending an email from the host mail.e-cards.sk, so this one works, friend change this... but maybe he forgot to rename some settings for the php stuff |
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| 01:30.22 | Dewi | titii: I just sent mail to postmaster@e-cards.sk |
| 01:30.27 | Dewi | titii: it seems fine |
| 01:30.37 | titii | Dewi because how we saw, there was an old address odyseusteam.sk and this one doesnt exists anymore |
| 01:30.54 | Dewi | titii: http://pastebin.ca/960365 |
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| 01:31.58 | Dewi | titii: if you're just talking about the address PHP uses, by default it just drops to 'sendmail' |
| 01:32.05 | titii | but what is that mail.odyseusteam.sk ? |
| 01:32.18 | Dewi | titii: you said that was your old address |
| 01:32.48 | titii | Dewi it doesnt exists, it isnt wrong if there is used? |
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| 01:33.02 | Dewi | titii: I know it doesn't exist |
| 01:33.18 | Dewi | titii: so don't use it |
| 01:33.22 | titii | Dewi so? maybe we need to change it by ecards.sk |
| 01:33.26 | Dewi | titii: are you complaining that PHP continues to use it? |
| 01:33.26 | titii | e-cards,sj |
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| 01:33.58 | Dewi | titii: is the PHP running on 'john' ? |
| 01:34.11 | Seldaek | Dewi: okay it was me that fucked it up with the symlinks.. seems it doesn't like links to relative paths.. whatever |
| 01:34.12 | titii | Dewi yes |
| 01:34.30 | Dewi | Seldaek: heh. that's annoying. |
| 01:34.41 | Dewi | Seldaek: I haven't really used lighttpd |
| 01:34.48 | Seldaek | no it wasn't lighttpd |
| 01:34.55 | Dewi | titii: make a script with this in it: <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
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| 01:35.18 | Dewi | titii: preferably in your existing app |
| 01:35.28 | Seldaek | it's just that I did (in /home/seld/lib) ln -s -t /home/seld/somedir/ images/ |
| 01:35.34 | Dewi | titii: so it has the same configuration.... and tell me what values you see for sendmail_from and sendmail_path |
| 01:35.47 | titii | Dewi sorry what I have to looking for? |
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| 01:35.54 | Seldaek | so there was a link in somedir/images/ to.. images/ but that was a local link it seems.. so it was linking itself |
| 01:36.04 | Dewi | titii: ^^ |
| 01:36.15 | titii | sendmail_from novelua, novelua |
| 01:36.42 | titii | Dewi and the path is /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i |
| 01:37.08 | titii | Dewi sendmail_from is no value |
| 01:37.19 | Dewi | titii: I am surprised it's not www-data@john |
| 01:37.25 | Dewi | titii: that is what it would normally do |
| 01:38.01 | Dewi | titii: somehow you have configured sendmail to use a different sender address to your hostname |
| 01:38.33 | Dewi | titii: I don't know how you have done that |
| 01:38.53 | titii | Dewi I am still talking about that,... here is odyseusteam.sk, how to change it? :) |
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| 01:40.20 | titii | Dewi I guess I just can find that settings and rename the odyeusteam.sk to e-cards.sk and it should work |
| 01:40.24 | Dewi | titii: sigh. |
| 01:40.32 | Dewi | titii: grep -ir 'odyseusteam.sk' /etc/exim4 |
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| 01:40.54 | titii | Dewi nothing |
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| 01:41.24 | Dewi | titii: well... I don't understand why your sendmail thinks your hostname is odyseusteam.sk, when you claim it is john |
| 01:41.57 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 01:41.57 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:42.01 | titii | Dewi hmmm, maybe this is configured on my friend's server... hmmm I dont know |
| 01:42.21 | Dewi | titii: you said the php was running on john |
| 01:42.32 | titii | Dewi ofcourse |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | Dewi: my toilet only runs python! |
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| 01:42.46 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 01:42.51 | p_masho | wonders if Dewi is welsh ? |
| 01:42.58 | Dewi | p_masho: my name is |
| 01:43.14 | p_masho | Dewi: cymro i ti ? |
| 01:43.22 | Dewi | p_masho: nope, australian |
| 01:43.25 | Dewi | p_masho: english only |
| 01:43.32 | jetscreamer | !source |
| 01:43.32 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 01:43.38 | p_masho | .. aha.. new SOuth Wales |
| 01:43.41 | jetscreamer | !deb-src |
| 01:43.41 | dpkg | i heard deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
| 01:43.46 | abrotman | jetscreamer: msg the bot ? |
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| 01:44.23 | Dewi | p_masho: hehe, almost. I was just listening to some Los Campesinos actually. Cardiff band. |
| 01:44.34 | p_masho | actually the pot should send /msg instead of to channel |
| 01:44.46 | p_masho | oops ........^Bot |
| 01:45.02 | Dewi | p_masho: the bot can do both |
| 01:45.08 | abrotman | p_masho: problem is that not everyone understands their IRC client .. and msg only can be confusing |
| 01:45.18 | p_masho | Cardiff down under or up over ? ... lol |
| 01:45.21 | titii | Dewi hey! I am using the postfix mail server |
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| 01:45.27 | abrotman | dude |
| 01:45.32 | Dewi | p_masho: your cardiff |
| 01:45.55 | Dewi | titii: grep -ir 'odyseusteam\.sk' /etc/postfix |
| 01:46.03 | p_masho | na .. near Ammonford.. carmarthen... near Prince charles new expensive yard up the road... |
| 01:46.28 | titii | Dewi yea I did it. I found tree settings, I go to change, so we will see... w8 |
| 01:46.37 | Dewi | p_masho: I just meant... the Cardiff closer to you. |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | titii: postfix.org has great documentation |
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| 01:47.30 | Dewi | p_masho: anyway I am in Queensland, but we still have a hospital named after Charles up here |
| 01:47.46 | MacTaylor | is debian cutting edge where it will always have the most up to date software????? |
| 01:47.57 | abrotman | that depends |
| 01:47.58 | amphi | no!!!!! |
| 01:48.04 | Dewi | MacTaylor: not particularly. |
| 01:48.17 | MacTaylor | is that debian sid? |
| 01:48.21 | p_masho | MacTaylor: try vista... |
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| 01:48.32 | Dewi | MacTaylor: yeah testing and unstable (sid) are pretty up-to-date |
| 01:48.33 | amphi | p_masho: that's a bit rough |
| 01:48.41 | MacTaylor | i dont think a p3 866Mhz will run vista |
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| 01:50.58 | p_masho | sorry... just showed Compiz/Ububtu to a friend who quickly nuked it... |
| 01:51.03 | Lewoco | Is is possible to burn a bootable CD iso to a DVD? Will it still be bootable? |
| 01:51.11 | abrotman | should be |
| 01:51.15 | p_masho | nuked Vista I meant... |
| 01:51.21 | titii | Dewi I knew it :) I renamed it. Now it works. Thanks for help |
| 01:51.30 | Lewoco | Ok thanks. |
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| 01:52.04 | titii | Bye all |
| 01:52.08 | zenwryly | anyone know of a good tool for viewing log files via the web and for paging back and forth? |
| 01:52.08 | Dewi | titii: bye |
| 01:52.11 | titii | Bye Dewi |
| 01:52.20 | titii | Have a nice day or evening |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | zenwryly: a web browser ? |
| 01:52.49 | zenwryly | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:52.50 | zenwryly | sorry |
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| 01:55.26 | wimpies | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:59.21 | jones_513 | why are there two xorg's in top? one that has 0 tome |
| 01:59.26 | jones_513 | time rather |
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| 02:03.07 | Dewi | wimpies: how is linux supposed to know whether those blocks will be used again? |
| 02:03.23 | Dewi | wimpies: either thing seems equally likely |
| 02:03.51 | zinx | wimpies: afaik the buffers/cache are managed just like other memory, if it's deemed less important it will be flushed |
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| 02:11.04 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:11.04 | dpkg | <florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks? |
| 02:11.09 | wimpies | Dewi : It seems to me that when the system is 'rather idle' it is a good time so flush some Least frequently used buffers and release the caches instead of waiting till an app really needs it and then let the user wait |
| 02:11.16 | CHN|00a1024123 | mode +o |
| 02:12.08 | Dewi | wimpies: your RAM would be very slow indeed if it was *all* being paged to disk all the time |
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| 02:12.14 | wimpies | zinx : Is there a way to avoid the flushing when deemed less important occuring when apps start ? |
| 02:12.34 | w_00_w | #mode +o |
| 02:12.59 | wimpies | Dewi : well If I am not using the system i do not care that it is flushing. I just want 'snappyness' when I need my system |
| 02:13.01 | Dewi | wimpies: like I say, linux has no reason to believe that you are going to start new apps instead of use the stuff you already have open |
| 02:13.34 | ross | what's the package for "x" |
| 02:13.37 | ross | i need to update it |
| 02:13.41 | ross | it won't open a terminal |
| 02:13.47 | ross | when i load vnc |
| 02:13.53 | ross | and my vnc xstartup is fine |
| 02:13.54 | Dewi | wimpies: if you tell your system to avoid using its RAM, it will likely be slower, not faster |
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| 02:14.07 | wimpies | Dewi : I know but it 'should' have an idea which cached buffers are not recently used and I think it would speed up user experience if these buffers are flushed and release in 'idle' periodes |
| 02:14.16 | Dewi | wimpies: I don't know what you mean by 'cached buffers' |
| 02:14.38 | Dewi | wimpies: a read cache doesn't take any time to flush, it's instantaneous |
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| 02:14.56 | Dewi | wimpies: and the write cache doesn't delay committing for more than a few seconds |
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| 02:15.54 | Dewi | wimpies: if you are talking about maintaining an on-disk copy of your entire RAM, that to me sounds like it would be slow |
| 02:16.19 | Dewi | wimpies: or just plain unnecessary wear on your disk |
| 02:16.20 | wimpies | Dewi : well I have 4 GB of memory of which about 3 GB is used by caches. Hence my Ram is in use for 100%. Hence when an app starts linux needs to provide RAM there and then and this causes a hickup. However there is NO WAY i have 3 GB of file open so I presume that it were files I was using a long time ago. Hence the caches allocated for these files should have been flushed long before (when i was on the phone, in the restroom or other |
| 02:16.20 | wimpies | non-computer activities) |
| 02:16.40 | Dewi | wimpies: if you don't want virtual RAM slowness, then don't start more than will fit in your physical RAM |
| 02:16.53 | w3rd_ | what is the default directory for the .conf file that allows u options to set the path to keys and certs, isnt it httd.conf cause i dont see anything in this file, i also checked apache2.conf? they are in /etc/apache2 .... |
| 02:17.11 | Dewi | wimpies: why do you think flushing a read cache is not instantaneous? the bytes can just be written straight over |
| 02:17.29 | Dewi | wimpies: it doesn't need to consult the disk, it just forgets that part of the cache |
| 02:17.33 | w3rd_ | i just installed apache2, and searched everywhere... i dont see it on the system? |
| 02:18.06 | USN1520 | would anyone mind assisting with wine on debian |
| 02:18.09 | wimpies | Dewi : Because when I click on an app with 100% of memory 'allocated' of which 3GB to files, my disk starts writing a lot (sounds like swapping) but in fact swap space does not move at all (in fact it is empty) so it must be buffers being flushed to disk |
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| 02:18.30 | Dewi | wimpies: the whole point of a cache is to leave disk data in memory that isn't otherwise being used, so it will be faster if you need it again. It can be forgotten about instantaneously if the RAM is needed, it just has to forget the page exists, one little flag |
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| 02:18.43 | Dewi | wimpies: or it could be the app loading |
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| 02:19.16 | Dewi | wimpies: and you say yourself the swap space is empty so why would you think it was swapping? |
| 02:19.23 | wimpies | Dewi : app loading ? No because all the GUI libs are certainly cached. |
| 02:19.53 | wimpies | Dewi : I said that it *sounded* like swapping (disk heads moving a lot and noise comes out of the disk) |
| 02:20.11 | USN1520 | installed wine but application files are in my user profile and I don't know the path to launch it, please help |
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| 02:20.23 | Dewi | wimpies: can you imagine what would happen to a system that left a write cache in memory for minutes or hours? |
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| 02:20.31 | _vvd | hmm, i removed some file installed by a package from /etc. now when i reinstall the package it wont reinstall those "removed by hand" packages. but i need them back :) |
| 02:20.32 | Dewi | wimpies: you'd lose potentially hours of work on any power failure |
| 02:20.44 | Gamaliel | orale |
| 02:20.50 | Dewi | wimpies: I really don't think linux waits more than a few seconds to write cache changes to disk |
| 02:21.12 | Dewi | wimpies: and read cache can be dropped instantly |
| 02:21.23 | wimpies | I know, I had my tanenbaum too. but I just find it weird that when I click on an app (not even a big one) with a Quad core and 4 GB of memory that i get hickups. |
| 02:21.26 | _vvd | files |
| 02:21.35 | Dewi | wimpies: you should try running some monitoring tools like vmstat and so on to see what's happening with paging and caching... |
| 02:22.00 | wimpies | Dewi : I just ran the command echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches and then ... no more hickups |
| 02:22.07 | Seldaek | is there a way I can do some kind of profiling over what happens.. I have weird delays on my http server (i.e. it freezes a few seconds then renders the php page in 10ms) and trying to figure out where that comes from |
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| 02:22.26 | Dewi | wimpies: how long did that take to settle down? |
| 02:22.34 | wimpies | quickly |
| 02:22.42 | wimpies | almost unnoticable |
| 02:22.54 | Dewi | wimpies: so why not do it when an app loads? |
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| 02:23.34 | wimpies | Dewi : because it woudl require me to figure out how to start the command before the loading app. |
| 02:23.56 | Dewi | wimpies: ... |
| 02:23.57 | _vvd | hmm, i removed some files in /etc which were installed by a package. now when i reinstall the package aptitude won`'t einstall those "removed by hand" files. but i need them back :) anyone help? |
| 02:23.58 | wimpies | Dewi : I thought about running it 'from time to time' |
| 02:24.08 | Dewi | wimpies: your whole complaint is that it runs it when you start an app |
| 02:24.15 | wimpies | Dewi : but then i figured i was playing 'OS' ... hence my questiong |
| 02:24.18 | Dewi | wimpies: "it takes too long to process the cache when I start an app" etc |
| 02:24.31 | Dewi | wimpies: but when you run it manually it is "almost instantaneous" |
| 02:24.50 | Dewi | wimpies: as I say, I don't think clearing a read cache takes much time |
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| 02:25.04 | beoba | dpkg: error processing mythtv-common (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 02:25.08 | tim__ | why Ubuntu is optimized for i386 and not ii686 oposed to sidux ?? |
| 02:25.09 | beoba | how do i fix this? |
| 02:25.14 | wimpies | yeah ... that's right ... Hmm. So what might cause that occasional disk access burst when starting apps |
| 02:25.15 | Tramp | !tell _vvd about confmiss |
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| 02:27.41 | Dewi | wimpies: I just wish I knew more about monitoring this stuff |
| 02:27.56 | Dewi | wimpies: I know you can supposedly see VM page movement with vmstat, but I don't know for caching |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | tim__: this is #debian .. we wouldn't know the answer to any of that question |
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| 02:28.50 | tim__ | is debian optimized for i686 or i386 ? |
| 02:29.10 | zinx | tim__: yes |
| 02:29.25 | tim__ | yes what? |
| 02:29.28 | Dewi | tim__: the kernel has lots of builds, including those |
| 02:29.32 | xingu | yes indeedy |
| 02:29.32 | zinx | tim__: yes, it's optimized for i686 or i386 |
| 02:29.45 | zinx | tim__: by using -i686 packages or not |
| 02:29.45 | tim__ | how come? |
| 02:29.49 | Wyzard | tim__: Most packages are built to run on anything 386 or better, because most things don't actually benefit from 686-specific optimization |
| 02:29.58 | tim__ | why not ? |
| 02:30.03 | abrotman | i thought it was 486 now .. because of gcc |
| 02:30.06 | zinx | tim__: there's i686 libc and kernel packages |
| 02:30.14 | Wyzard | tim__: Certain things which do benefit from 686-specific optimizations, like libc and the kernel, have optimized versions available |
| 02:30.16 | _vvd | Tramp: thx, but didnt work. either with aptitude or dpkg. both say "Not replacing deleted config file ..." |
| 02:30.19 | Wyzard | yeah, might be 486 |
| 02:30.46 | xingu | gives abrotman a gigantic bswap opcode made from styrofoam |
| 02:31.04 | abrotman | what .. no plastic ? |
| 02:31.05 | xingu | or was it compxchg, I forget |
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| 02:32.32 | Wyzard | tim__: because most programs don't spend significant amounts of time doing the (certain few) things that 686-specific instructions help with |
| 02:33.06 | tim__ | oh i c |
| 02:33.08 | xingu | that, and it's pretty damn hard to nail down exactly what's meant by "686" in any reliable fashion |
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| 02:34.19 | Wyzard | Well, there's the set of instructions that were added in the i686, and are supported in everything which came after that |
| 02:34.23 | xingu | I mean p-iv micro-arch looks nothing at all like coppermine, and the hilarity spirals out from there |
| 02:34.30 | tim__ | I think i686 means Pentium 2 and above |
| 02:34.42 | Wyzard | tim__: Pentium Pro, actually... one generation before the P2 |
| 02:35.07 | tim__ | yes and ? |
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| 02:36.54 | w3rd_ | Wyard: down to answer a quick question? |
| 02:37.06 | w3rd_ | Wyzard: my bad |
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| 02:37.18 | milardovich | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Livesteam.jpg xD |
| 02:37.23 | Wyzard | w3rd_: What is it? |
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| 02:37.44 | w3rd_ | m trying to modify the path to ssl keys and certs in what i thought would be httpd.conf |
| 02:37.54 | w3rd_ | m = Im* |
| 02:38.07 | w3rd_ | just upgraded to apache2 |
| 02:38.15 | w3rd_ | but i cant seem to find the files to modify |
| 02:38.21 | w3rd_ | httpd.conf is empty |
| 02:38.21 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 02:38.48 | Wyzard | w3rd_: because it's deprecated; look in apache2.conf |
| 02:39.16 | w3rd_ | i did as well... i didnt see anything that show place for private keys or certs? |
| 02:39.26 | Wyzard | w3rd_: Individual files in conf.d are read too |
| 02:39.26 | w3rd_ | http://mysecondhead.blogspot.com/2006/02/creating-self-signed-ssl-certificate.html |
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| 02:39.39 | w3rd_ | that is the doc that i went off of... |
| 02:39.52 | w3rd_ | but conf.d is a dir |
| 02:39.52 | _vvd | how can i unpack a deb again? |
| 02:39.57 | Wyzard | w3rd_: There might not be a default setting for the certificate location; I haven't used SSL with apache so I don't know |
| 02:39.57 | abrotman | w3rd_: there is a TON of documentation for what you're trying to do |
| 02:40.06 | abrotman | _vvd: dpkg-deb or "ar x file.deb" |
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| 02:40.23 | Wyzard | w3rd_: If that's the case, my recommendation would be to create a new file in /etc/apache2/conf.d and put the SSL certificate paths there |
| 02:40.35 | w3rd_ | abrotman: im sure there is but im having a hard time finding what im looking for... |
| 02:40.41 | w3rd_ | Wyzard: that is what i did |
| 02:40.58 | w3rd_ | but should i just put the .crt file and .key file there |
| 02:41.08 | spacemonkey | I'm running CUPS on a server and i'd like to use the web configuration on my other machine. what do i need to change it in .conf to be able to do this |
| 02:41.10 | w3rd_ | how does apache know where to point if i dont modify a conf file and tell it |
| 02:41.12 | w3rd_ | ? |
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| 02:41.28 | Wyzard | w3rd_: No, don't put the actual SSL certificate in /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 02:41.34 | Wyzard | w3rd_: Put that somewhere like /etc/ssl |
| 02:42.03 | w3rd_ | i guess i would have to create that dir, cause its not listed in the /etc/apache2 file set... |
| 02:42.23 | Wyzard | w3rd_: Look up the documentation for the SSLCertificateFile directive in the apache docs, btw |
| 02:42.35 | w3rd_ | so your saying create a new conf file in conf.d so that i can ref the actual ssl cet in /etc/ssl |
| 02:42.41 | w3rd_ | i will do that |
| 02:42.42 | w3rd_ | .... |
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| 02:43.26 | Wyzard | w3rd_: You also need to enable the SSL module in apache (run "a2enmod ssl", and then restart apache) |
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| 02:43.36 | w3rd_ | k |
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| 02:46.49 | _vvd | --force-confmiss did't let ucf copy a file into /etc (postinst) which i had deleted by hand before. is that a bug? |
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| 02:47.54 | rking | if i wanted to invest in a linux stock, what's a pure-ish one? (that is, i'm a bit fishy of novell, for example) |
| 02:48.25 | Penix | you've come to the wrong place to ask a question like that |
| 02:48.39 | Monkey_arma | rking, try in #linux |
| 02:48.48 | rking | Penix: yeah -- i wasn't sure |
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| 02:49.57 | w3rd_ | by the way is apache-ssl the same as apache2 libapache-mod-ssl |
| 02:49.59 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 02:50.02 | spacemonkey | I'm running CUPS on a server and i'd like to use the web configuration on my other machine. what do i need to change it in .conf to be able to do this |
| 02:50.15 | Wyzard | _vvd: --force-confmiss is a dpkg option and probably doesn't apply to ucf (which is an ordinary program run from packages' maintainer scripts) |
| 02:50.20 | Wyzard | _vvd: though I'm not really sure |
| 02:50.23 | abrotman | spacemonkey: probably look in the conf file to make it listen on other interfaces |
| 02:51.05 | _vvd | Wyzard: ucf is to copy (and check for edited) config files |
| 02:51.05 | Wyzard | spacemonkey: From the local machine where cups is running, go to the web interface, Administration tab, and click the "allow remote administration" checkbox |
| 02:51.06 | spacemonkey | abrotman: it says Listen localhost:631 |
| 02:51.12 | Penix | spacemonkey: exactly |
| 02:51.22 | spacemonkey | Wyzard: i dont have X on the local machine |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | spacemonkey: right .. so make it do something else (check the docs .. i don't own a printer) |
| 02:51.27 | spacemonkey | and lynx is a pain |
| 02:51.40 | abrotman | spacemonkey: so configure it to listen otherwise .. check the docs |
| 02:51.49 | Wyzard | spacemonkey: OK, then edit cupsd.conf as Penix said |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | i said it! |
| 02:52.00 | Penix | heh |
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| 02:52.02 | Penix | !lose abrotman |
| 02:52.02 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 02:52.03 | abrotman | i get no rsepect! |
| 02:52.08 | _vvd | Wyzard: but everything is allright, i copied the file by hand |
| 02:52.12 | Penix | I tellz ya! |
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| 02:52.30 | Wyzard | w3rd_: I'm not sure what the difference is between apache-ssl and libapache-mod-ssl, but those are both apache 1.x |
| 02:52.53 | Wyzard | w3rd_: The Debian packages of apache use "apache" to mean 1.x and "apache2" to mean apache 2.x |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | one allows apache1 to use http and https .. the other is https only |
| 02:53.10 | Wyzard | w3rd_: so libapache-mod-foo is a module for 1.x, and libapache2-mod-foo is for 2.x |
| 02:53.22 | w3rd_ | oh |
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| 02:57.19 | w3rd_ | i think for the most part and im not sure why but upgrading to apache2 has made the rest of these installs alot easier? |
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| 02:59.18 | quentusrex | Does anyone know of decent design software? something that will help create design visualizations for a program, database? etc? |
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| 03:01.12 | rking | quentusrex: i like just doing everything with inkscape |
| 03:01.27 | rking | quentusrex: but there is dia, which has worked for me in some cases |
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| 03:02.22 | quentusrex | dia is close to what I want. |
| 03:02.59 | phorce1 | quentusrex: graph paper, pencil, good eraser |
| 03:02.59 | abrotman | quentusrex: what doesn't it do ? |
| 03:03.16 | abrotman | phorce1: what's the eraser for? |
| 03:03.50 | phorce1 | makes many first drafts of projects. Paper waste reduction using an eraser |
| 03:04.06 | abrotman | but rubber tree abuse is okay? |
| 03:04.11 | quentusrex | yeah, basically I need something to help create diagrams |
| 03:04.13 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:04.17 | quentusrex | and model the work flow |
| 03:04.23 | rking | anyone remember the Square One ads for "Eraser"? |
| 03:04.29 | abrotman | there was that thing from thekompany |
| 03:04.39 | abrotman | Data Arkiteckt or something |
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| 03:06.09 | phorce1 | abrotman: you don't kill the tree to make the eraser (what are they made of now anyway?). What sits on my desk labeled "FIRST DRAFT" before I touch a computer is usually about number 10 actually. |
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| 03:06.36 | rking | From Wikipedia:Square_One_Television : A segment called Oops!, in which someone would make an erroneous calculation or computation, after which would be shown a clip of a disaster from an old movie. The person would say "Oops" and correct the error. Then the announcer would say "Oops! has been brought to you by erasers. Don't make a mistake without one." |
| 03:06.46 | abrotman | phorce1: i didn't say you killed it .. but you have to tap it to get rubber? |
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| 03:06.57 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: not anymore |
| 03:07.00 | abrotman | oh |
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| 03:07.16 | dondelelcaro | outside of specialty products, most rubbers are petroleum in base |
| 03:07.17 | abrotman | synthetic rubber? or they get it out another way? |
| 03:07.18 | dsync | Hey |
| 03:07.19 | w3rd_ | how do you check for disk space used? |
| 03:07.21 | Noratetsu | lol |
| 03:07.26 | dsync | Ubuntu is based of debian, right? |
| 03:07.27 | abrotman | w3rd_: df |
| 03:07.31 | w3rd_ | koo |
| 03:07.36 | abrotman | dsync: ask #ubuntu |
| 03:07.43 | phorce1 | w3rd_: du if you want more detail |
| 03:07.53 | w3rd_ | oh shit |
| 03:07.58 | w3rd_ | more detail fo sho |
| 03:08.01 | rking | du | sort -n |
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| 03:08.18 | rking | very informative if you're trying to find out how to clear up some space |
| 03:08.18 | w3rd_ | how do you tell if you have two drives installed if there mirrored? |
| 03:08.22 | w3rd_ | is there a way to check that |
| 03:08.23 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 03:08.27 | w3rd_ | yah |
| 03:08.35 | erftg111 | i got it,a little upset |
| 03:08.54 | phorce1 | du -hs /whatever/directory/you/want/a/summary/of/ |
| 03:09.34 | w3rd_ | so if you du | sort -n it lists the details for each file in numerical order |
| 03:09.36 | w3rd_ | that is awesome |
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| 03:09.50 | phorce1 | du / may take a while |
| 03:09.57 | w3rd_ | it did |
| 03:10.03 | w3rd_ | in this case not to long |
| 03:10.08 | w3rd_ | not so much installed |
| 03:10.26 | w3rd_ | damn i guess i should have set up raid if i wanted to use both drives |
| 03:10.32 | w3rd_ | i dont think that i did... |
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| 03:10.41 | w3rd_ | will that erase all my data if i change the disk config?? |
| 03:10.45 | amphi | du -m --max-depth=1 | sort -rn | head -n 20 is what I generally do |
| 03:10.56 | w3rd_ | what does that do |
| 03:10.56 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 03:11.12 | w3rd_ | just sort a certain amount |
| 03:11.13 | w3rd_ | ? |
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| 03:12.07 | w3rd_ | this is a pretty accurate page for raid on nix, http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch26_:_Linux_Software_RAID |
| 03:12.10 | rcbarnes | Is there a way to specify a max width for xmessage without forcing it to be that at a minimum, but at invocation (i.e. without adjusting resources)? |
| 03:12.33 | w3rd_ | if i foloow that does it format data? or just update the config for the drives? |
| 03:12.34 | rcbarnes | Actually, even with the less-preferable -geometry $WIDTHx$HEIGHT option doesn't seems to affect xmessage... Does xmessage ignore the width/height part of -geometry? |
| 03:12.36 | amphi | displays usage in megabytes, only listing the totals for top-level directories, sorted in reversed order |
| 03:12.52 | phorce1 | just started 'time du /media/500/' on the 500 gig with lots of little files to see how long it takes. |
| 03:13.09 | w3rd_ | amphi: that is a koo command, that makes it nice and easy to see specifics... ill have to save that one, dont know if can keep that on mem? |
| 03:13.10 | w3rd_ | haha |
| 03:13.12 | w3rd_ | i wish |
| 03:13.13 | w3rd_ | ... |
| 03:13.20 | dondelelcaro | w3rd_: could you try to avoid overusing enter, please. |
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| 03:13.51 | w3rd_ | yah sorry about that.... just used to im.... not that i dont understand that irc !permit... ill keep it minimal my bad |
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| 03:14.01 | enouf | i think i use du -ab . | sort -rng | less mostly |
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| 03:14.59 | phorce1 | I actually used 'time du -hs /media/500/' 422G/media/500/ real0m10.257s user0m0.040s sysop4 0m0.308s --- now I'll run it without the 's' |
| 03:15.16 | rking | what does "sort according to general numerical value" mean? (sort -g) |
| 03:15.27 | rking | (no clues in manpage) |
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| 03:15.59 | phorce1 | ahh -- du caches what it finds. Only took aout .5 seconds this time |
| 03:16.05 | dondelelcaro | rking: info coreutils 'sort invocation'; is your friend. |
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| 03:16.16 | rking | ahh |
| 03:16.16 | bangers | how do I set --s--x--x permission on a file? |
| 03:16.23 | dsync | I need some help with Ubuntu.. how do you install programs? |
| 03:16.23 | bangers | 4111? |
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| 03:16.52 | enouf | dsync: try other channels, this is #debian |
| 03:16.57 | stiv2k | anyone here familiar with MIPS assembly language? |
| 03:17.40 | enouf | dsync: ##linux, {#}#linux-help, #ubuntu, whatever |
| 03:18.00 | dsync | But insnt Ubuntu Debian? |
| 03:18.07 | dsync | Why cant you guys help me? |
| 03:18.12 | dondelelcaro | dsync: no; if it was, they'd call it Debian, not Ubuntu. |
| 03:18.13 | enouf | dsync: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 03:18.17 | rking | dsync: ubuntu != debian |
| 03:18.42 | dondelelcaro | the good people in #ubuntu are perfectly capable of helping you |
| 03:18.57 | dsync | Says no channel :/ |
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| 03:19.17 | dondelelcaro | dsync: #ubuntu certainly exists |
| 03:19.21 | David__ | # Appears as ANNA |
| 03:19.34 | dsync | Im trying to join the channel, says it doesnt |
| 03:19.36 | dsync | :/ |
| 03:19.44 | dondelelcaro | dsync: type /join #ubuntu' |
| 03:19.47 | dsync | I did |
| 03:19.50 | dsync | No workie |
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| 03:20.06 | dondelelcaro | dsync: then you're either not doing it on this network, or your IRC client is busted. |
| 03:20.28 | quentusrex | I have a video stream server. Is there any way to find out how many streams are currently connected? |
| 03:20.42 | quentusrex | How many concurrent connections are open on a specific port? |
| 03:20.47 | dsync | Maybe your IRC client is busted o.O |
| 03:21.10 | dondelelcaro | dsync: considering that I can see the channel and know that there are more than 1220 people there, I rather doubt it. |
| 03:21.24 | dsync | Maybe your computer is lying to you oO |
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| 03:21.59 | dondelelcaro | dsync: please spend the next ten minutes figuring out how to join #ubuntu instead of arguing with us. |
| 03:23.19 | akio_ | oops |
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| 03:24.12 | akio_ | hey dondelelcaro, i have a question about configuration files |
| 03:24.17 | dondelelcaro | akio_: ask away |
| 03:24.45 | akio_ | besides etc, home, and usr/docs, how else can you find them |
| 03:25.02 | dondelelcaro | akio_: which ones in particular are you looking for? |
| 03:25.05 | akio_ | and the program doesn't seem to have any obvious answers |
| 03:25.10 | akio_ | htop |
| 03:25.33 | akio_ | i wan't to configure it so that it starts up and appears a certain way |
| 03:25.45 | dondelelcaro | akio_: well, strace -f htop; will show you, but I don't know if it even has configuration files |
| 03:25.48 | enouf | akio_: it's done in the config, IIRC |
| 03:26.37 | enouf | dlocate htop |
| 03:26.37 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/960465 |
| 03:27.11 | Decepticon | i am sorry about asking a question and then not answering follow up clarification questions and just vanishing earlier |
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| 03:27.34 | enouf | akio_: i have a ~/.htoprc file |
| 03:27.50 | enouf | # Beware! This file is rewritten every time htop exits. |
| 03:28.07 | akio_ | i don't think i'm configured to recieve it in this irc client |
| 03:28.24 | akio_ | try though |
| 03:28.40 | akio_ | but if it's rewritten then it doesn't make sense |
| 03:28.54 | akio_ | dlocate htop reports no file or directory |
| 03:29.08 | akio_ | it's missing it's db apparently |
| 03:29.15 | akio_ | (database) |
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| 03:29.32 | enouf | is dlocate installed, use dpkg -L htop if htop was recently installed |
| 03:29.49 | enouf | or run updatedb, but that's much more painful |
| 03:29.55 | akio_ | just installed dlocate a second ago |
| 03:29.59 | Muffin | Heya. i'm having some trouble with either screen or my termcap...UTF8 characters don't seem to appear right when I'm inside a screen session. |
| 03:29.59 | enouf | (speaking of which) |
| 03:30.15 | rking | Muffin: hrm.. but they're right outside of screen? |
| 03:30.18 | Muffin | Yeah. |
| 03:30.29 | Muffin | If I ssh into my debian box, they show up properly. If I go into screen, they do not. |
| 03:30.57 | rking | Muffin: how are you getting the chars to the screen? are they in a text file? |
| 03:31.13 | Muffin | No, they're peoples' last names in accents in pine. |
| 03:31.27 | Muffin | Lemme export the message to a text file and cat it. |
| 03:31.29 | rking | my utf8+screen stuff works great, but i don't see anything special in .screenrc that would enable it |
| 03:31.31 | rking | yeah |
| 03:31.39 | Muffin | Yeah, same problem. |
| 03:31.48 | akio_ | so i don't know what slocate is |
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| 03:31.50 | rking | i'm wondering if pine is doing some $TERM/termcap/terminfo monkeying |
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| 03:32.16 | rking | Muffin: ok, so you take that same file, and cat'ing outside of screen works, inside fails? |
| 03:32.26 | Decepticon | im not sure what to remove from my /etc/apt/sources.list when faced with these 403 forbidden errors when doing 'sudo apt-get update' http://pastebin.ca/960469 ... my current /etc/apt/sources.list looks like this: http://pastebin.ca/960464 |
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| 03:32.40 | Muffin | If I cat it, his name shows up LaPr(umlaut-i upsidedown-? 1/2symbol) instead of LaPre with an accent on the e. |
| 03:32.51 | Muffin | rking: Correct. |
| 03:33.23 | godling | Has anyone gotten a Model M keyboard speaker to work with Linux? |
| 03:33.30 | rking | Muffin: sounds to me like it's getting interpreted as iso8859 |
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| 03:33.43 | Muffin | :-\ |
| 03:33.56 | Muffin | Also, just to be clear, running with screen -U or -a does not help. |
| 03:33.58 | rking | Muffin: like each byte of the utf8 char is getting displayed individually, which may be ascii or 8-bit, who knows. |
| 03:34.05 | Muffin | Right...that makes sense. |
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| 03:34.18 | rking | Muffin: what version of screen? |
| 03:34.46 | sonnie | i was trying to boot a Debian system via PXE. While I met a "PCNET32 timed out on transmit" after a looooooong wait |
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| 03:34.54 | akio_ | enouf: i have that file as well, but I didn't see it because I was looking for a directory!! |
| 03:35.00 | sonnie | finally it booted. why? |
| 03:35.05 | Muffin | debian testing = 4.0.03, but I also downloaded screen from the gnu site and the same problem is present. |
| 03:35.13 | Muffin | Er, the most recent version = 4.0.3 |
| 03:35.38 | rking | Muffin: dang--same here (I see 4.0.3-0.1 "upstream fix of utf8 combining characters") |
| 03:35.42 | rking | hrmm |
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| 03:36.09 | Muffin | :-\ |
| 03:36.16 | Muffin | Well, let me try that again using cat. |
| 03:36.36 | Muffin | Yep, same problem. |
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| 03:37.57 | rking | Muffin: the -U switch really should have done it.. try ^A :encoding UTF-8 |
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| 03:39.15 | Muffin | No help. |
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| 03:39.44 | rking | Muffin: there's a lot of stuff about utf8 in the screen info page under "Character Processing" -- but the thing that's puzzling me is that my stuff is just working, and i've never touched /etc/screenrc, and my ~/.screenrc (which, granted, is 11 lines) doesn't seem to have anything relevant |
| 03:39.53 | rking | Muffin: your $TERM == screen, right? |
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| 03:40.38 | rking | Muffin: md5sum /usr/share/terminfo/s/screen = 0d5a720e9ec24b5adae01d0725268714 for me -- do we have the same file? |
| 03:41.01 | Muffin | 0d5a720e9ec24b5adae01d0725268714 |
| 03:41.07 | Muffin | Yes. :-\ |
| 03:41.22 | Muffin | So, I am worried that this is a termcap problem, and I do not understand termcap. |
| 03:41.26 | optraz | hi, was wondering if we do this, apt-get install kernel, apt will basically look into the control file of kernel and then to see if it has depend on any other package, if it has, it will auto download all the packages required by kernel package? |
| 03:41.41 | rking | Muffin: afaik, termcap is outdated, and terminfo's in charge now |
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| 03:42.24 | Muffin | Or that. :) It's been a while since I tried to mess with that. |
| 03:43.09 | Muffin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.10 | Muffin | 0d5a720e9ec24b5adae01d0725268714 /lib/terminfo/s/screen |
| 03:43.16 | rking | Muffin: What about ^A :utf8 ...does it say "Will not use UTF-8 encoding" (which implies that it was already on |
| 03:43.26 | rking | Muffin: same here |
| 03:43.41 | Muffin | Yes, it does say that. |
| 03:44.05 | akio_ | enouf: thank you for making me aware of dlocate/slocate |
| 03:44.19 | rking | Muffin: ok, what shell do you use? |
| 03:44.46 | Muffin | tcsh |
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| 03:45.41 | rking | Muffin: hrmm... ok... ~3min |
| 03:46.04 | Muffin | :) |
| 03:46.05 | Muffin | Many thanks. |
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| 03:46.58 | akio_ | dondelelcaro: was a stack trace supposed to give me human readable output? |
| 03:49.11 | enouf | hrm, i have some files in a dir/ that i want to rm ; some owned by $USER, some root; i only want the root owned files list; $ find /tmp/stoned -perm 0755 -print shows both :-/ (i've glanced through man find, and /UsingFind - bash wiki, but on option for owner?) |
| 03:49.13 | Muffin | Other info which may be of note: I'm sshing into the debian box from X11 in MacOS, and the debian box is powerpc running "testing." |
| 03:49.25 | enouf | s/list/listed |
| 03:49.39 | enouf | s/on/no |
| 03:50.14 | stew | enouf: 'info find' -> finding files -> owner |
| 03:50.18 | enouf | i managed to get what i want with $ find /tmp/stoned -maxdepth 1 -type f -perm 0755 -print <-but that was just the circumstances |
| 03:50.30 | enouf | stew: ok, thanks |
| 03:50.47 | rking | Muffin: the host terminal and/or ssh might be interfering... but i'm not sure |
| 03:51.19 | rking | Muffin: it would be kind of interesting to double-ssh: connect to the debian box, then ssh to itself, then run screen, then see what happens |
| 03:51.20 | Muffin | Right, I worried about that, but that should affect a plain ssh session. |
| 03:51.47 | rking | Muffin: a single byte goes through many hands before it gets to your eyes -- it takes a while to figure out which one is dropping the ball |
| 03:52.10 | Muffin | :-\ |
| 03:52.11 | enouf | stew: aye; -user root .. thanks |
| 03:52.26 | Muffin | If I ssh from the mac to the linux box, then from teh linux box to localhost, the same problem is present: Works before screen, not in screen. |
| 03:53.27 | rking | Muffin: k |
| 03:53.52 | Muffin | ...and if I ssh mac -> mac -> linux, the same problem is present. |
| 03:54.47 | enouf | ok, i'm certain i found the files i want _only_, now i want to rm them; so should the xarfgs rm use a '-' also appended on the end?--> $ find /tmp/stoned -maxdepth 1 -type f -perm 0755 | xargs rm |
| 03:55.03 | oblio_ | xargs -n 1 |
| 03:55.07 | oblio_ | eh |
| 03:55.19 | oblio_ | why dont you just use find |
| 03:55.27 | oblio_ | find . -exec rm {} \; |
| 03:55.31 | enouf | i could |
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| 03:55.57 | enouf | but i'm asking about xargs ;-) |
| 03:55.58 | oblio_ | xargs doesnt need a - appended, i think you just need that -n 1 |
| 03:56.05 | oblio_ | xargs -n 1 rm |
| 03:56.14 | oblio_ | for 1 arg at a time as defined by your IFS |
| 03:56.39 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there a way to know the video card temperature? |
| 03:56.40 | enouf | i see - thank you |
| 03:56.53 | enouf | gonzaloaf: perhaps, lm-sensors? |
| 03:57.52 | gonzaloaf | enouf, dont think so.. it just check the cpu |
| 03:58.23 | rking | Muffin: so it turns out to be difficult to `strace screen` |
| 03:58.39 | enouf | well, and other things, like battery, fan speed etc ? |
| 03:58.54 | Muffin | Hmm. |
| 03:59.09 | rking | Muffin: ~5min |
| 03:59.43 | enouf | gonzaloaf: hrm, stuff pertaining to chipset info http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/i2c/busses/ |
| 03:59.47 | gonzaloaf | do the pentium 4 (prescott) cpus are able to use cpufreq or powernowd daemons? |
| 04:00.25 | stew | enouf: your origin 'find ... | xargs rm' is fine. 'find ... -print0 | xargs -0 rm' is better if you have filenames with whitespace |
| 04:00.53 | stew | enouf: i don't know why one would use 'xargs -n 1' except maybe to slow things down |
| 04:01.05 | gonzaloaf | enouf, remember that I was having a high use of cpu by xorg ? |
| 04:01.34 | enouf | stew: righto, gotcha (yes the -print0 | xargs -0 is semi-engrained even though i never use filenames with spaces in their names) |
| 04:01.44 | stew | werd |
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| 04:02.04 | enouf | gonzaloaf: not really ... |
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| 04:02.31 | rking | Muffin: ok... make an executable script named "happy" with this: http://paste.debian.net/52002 |
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| 04:03.08 | rking | Muffin: once you get that, make 2 ssh connections. from one, run: screen ./happy |
| 04:03.56 | rking | Muffin: then, from the other, run: pstree -lp | grep happy, then look at the tail "screen(XXXX)". mine looks like this: |-zsh(29055)---screen(29068)---screen(29069)---happy(29070) [and the # i'm interested in is 29069] |
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| 04:04.24 | Muffin | "screen /tmp/foo.pl" causes a screen to start, and it just hangs. |
| 04:04.29 | rking | Muffin: then do a sudo strace -s9999 -p29069 |
| 04:04.32 | rking | Muffin: that's correct |
| 04:04.33 | Muffin | If I hit return it prints an a with a carrot atop it. |
| 04:04.42 | Muffin | If I hit return again, it exits. |
| 04:04.46 | rking | Muffin: run it from outside screen |
| 04:05.00 | rking | it should do the same thing but with a smilie instead of a carroted a |
| 04:05.09 | Muffin | ...hm, no, it's another carroted a. |
| 04:05.12 | rking | d'oh. |
| 04:05.21 | rking | Muffin: what about from your Mac box? |
| 04:05.35 | Muffin | ...also the carroted a. |
| 04:05.39 | rking | goiks. |
| 04:05.56 | Muffin | ...which is a natively-running xterm. |
| 04:05.57 | rking | anyone else following along? http://paste.debian.net/52002 should give a happy face |
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| 04:06.56 | Muffin | Now, if I runn it from the linux box directly, it works. |
| 04:07.06 | gonzaloaf | why after uninstalling cpufreq I have a 40% cpu usage for xorg? |
| 04:07.06 | Muffin | (i.e., if I VNC in and run it from an xterm) |
| 04:07.17 | Muffin | ...so the problem then seems to be with the mac xterm. Iiiinteresting. |
| 04:07.22 | rking | Muffin: ok, so i'm now definitely leaning towards ... yeah. |
| 04:07.35 | Muffin | :) |
| 04:07.40 | Muffin | I wonder why, though...hm. |
| 04:07.52 | rking | Muffin: what i was going to do was have you strace -pXXXX, hit Enter, then show me what string screen was passing on (and compare that to what it was sending for me) |
| 04:08.00 | enouf | gonzaloaf: have you asked about your issues in #xorg {specific} channels? |
| 04:08.10 | gonzaloaf | enouf, noup |
| 04:08.31 | rking | Muffin: maybe try digging around the options in the Mac term stuff? perhaps it gets the word that the term type is 'screen', but it doesn't know about it, so it assumes it's dumb? |
| 04:08.42 | Muffin | No, the term type is xterm. |
| 04:08.46 | enouf | gonzaloaf: i think you would need before and after logs/snapshots, etc |
| 04:08.52 | Muffin | Not screen. |
| 04:09.11 | rking | Muffin: wait... so when you run screen then echo $TERM you get xterm still? |
| 04:09.22 | Muffin | ...no. |
| 04:09.27 | Muffin | In the mac xterm, I run $TERM and get xterm. |
| 04:09.46 | rking | Muffin: ok... yeah... |
| 04:10.31 | Muffin | ...which should be running utf, no? |
| 04:10.45 | rking | Muffin: iunno... now you're getting into Mac stuff. =) |
| 04:11.15 | Muffin | Heh, true. I'll mess around around with that a bit. |
| 04:11.20 | rking | Muffin: i know that in the last ~2yrs xterm got better with utf8 |
| 04:11.24 | enouf | anybody else get one of these in PM just now? [00:04:44] [PitsChon] ##TheLinuxers & ##Linux friendly atmosphere. Nice chatters and ops required. |
| 04:12.06 | rking | Muffin: what does, from your Mac xterm, the `locale` command say? a bunch of "XXX.UTF-8"'s? |
| 04:12.36 | enouf | seems the /nick is no longer on the network |
| 04:13.02 | Muffin | Yep. |
| 04:13.04 | Muffin | Wait. |
| 04:13.06 | enouf | though i found info from a /whowas |
| 04:13.13 | Muffin | No, a bunch of ="C" |
| 04:13.21 | rking | Muffin: ha! |
| 04:13.30 | Muffin | And if I setenv LANG en_US.UTF-8, it starts an xterm that will give me a smiley face. |
| 04:13.41 | Muffin | Now, where to tweak that so it becomes the default... |
| 04:14.49 | akio_ | is anybody a developer here? |
| 04:15.09 | stew | akio_: what do you mean? why do you ask? |
| 04:15.25 | akio_ | i want to get familiar with linux development |
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| 04:15.46 | rking | Muffin: that's just environment variables. |
| 04:15.49 | akio_ | ever heard of sharpdevelop? |
| 04:16.15 | Muffin | Yeah, I'm just not sure yet where to tweak it yet. |
| 04:16.33 | akio_ | i don't want to learn vim, or emacs, am I screwed? |
| 04:16.34 | rking | Muffin: for debian, it lives in /etc/locale.gen or something |
| 04:16.45 | rking | akio_: not wanting to learn = screwed, yep |
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| 04:16.54 | akio_ | lol |
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| 04:17.01 | akio_ | i would rather use netbeans? |
| 04:17.12 | Muffin | Yeah, the mac stuff is pretty weird that way. I'll ask on the X11 dev list. Many many thanks for the help in figuring this out. :) |
| 04:17.22 | akio_ | is it really that much more a productive way to do it? |
| 04:17.39 | rking | akio_: i learned both under the stress of project deadlines (emacs while doing schoolwork, vim while at my first full-time programming job). it will expand your mind more than psychedelics to learn an advanced editor while slogging through a tough project. |
| 04:17.55 | rking | Muffin: there's the xterm -u8 startup switch, it looks like |
| 04:18.09 | akio_ | is that a good thing... |
| 04:18.16 | akio_ | i like drugs but that sounds scary |
| 04:18.46 | rking | akio_: try vimtutor -- after about 5 minutes you should start to get it |
| 04:18.54 | rking | (it comes with the vim packages) |
| 04:18.57 | akio_ | i did that a long time ago |
| 04:19.00 | akio_ | it wasnt so bad |
| 04:19.41 | akio_ | but what about underlining, and intellisense and all that mess? |
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| 04:20.01 | akio_ | is it thrown out or is it a bad thing in the first place? |
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| 04:20.41 | rking | akio_: well, vim has autocompletion to fill the gap of intellisense (and i like it better in vim's version, personally), what do you mean by underlining? |
| 04:20.57 | akio_ | syntax erros |
| 04:21.06 | Muffin | rking: It's not actually setting locale as it should. |
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| 04:21.24 | rking | akio_: put 'syntax on' as the first line in ~/.vimrc |
| 04:21.30 | k0001 | guys! hello |
| 04:21.34 | akio_ | hmm |
| 04:22.16 | hark | akio_: sharpdevelop as in the C# IDE? |
| 04:22.46 | akio_ | so i guess i should take your word for it, after vimtutor where do i go to find more help? and what do i practice on? |
| 04:22.51 | k0001 | i'm having some trouble setting up 2 identical network cards (via-rhine), only one of them gets recognized... it seems to be pretty common but i can't get them to work, anyone has been through this ? |
| 04:22.54 | akio_ | yes hark |
| 04:23.04 | snogglethorpe | for dull developers? |
| 04:23.27 | akio_ | my lug doesn't hate on C# |
| 04:23.48 | hark | akio_: monodevelop is its equivalent |
| 04:23.58 | akio_ | but then again i'm not exactly surrounded by CS grads |
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| 04:25.29 | akio_ | learning linux is one of my main goals, people i know who know it, all have jobs right now |
| 04:25.56 | akio_ | and i just got my wireless to work so it's game on |
| 04:26.21 | w3rd_ | hey guys, i have a netra t100, im trying to put the scsi drives in a raid 1 config, however when ever i try to fdisk, and flag the drive for fd i get nothing in the output in the partition table |
| 04:26.21 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 04:26.21 | akio_ | im in florida and the recession is hard |
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| 04:29.11 | telexicon | so backports is down? |
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| 04:31.27 | k0001 | telexicon, it seems.. |
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| 04:43.04 | k0001 | my network card is showing up like eth3 instead of eth0, how can i change that? |
| 04:43.21 | w3rd_ | haha |
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| 04:47.53 | k0001 | althoug, dmesg keeps talking about eth0, which "does not exist" |
| 04:49.45 | k0001 | where does udev look for the device name or something to assign? |
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| 04:53.12 | hark | k0001: /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 04:54.35 | tengulre | how to using crontab running a command per half of hour |
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| 04:55.38 | k0001 | hark, thanks! i'll try that |
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| 05:16.56 | w3rd_ | i installed debin sparc and it appears that i have an issue when tryin to format the drives.... it keeps autoformatting all this sun stuff.. is this a sun hardware issue or is this an issue with debian sparc.... note im trying to config raid 1 config on 2 scsi drives on netra t100 |
| 05:18.17 | w3rd_ | more like it keeps creating sun slices and when ever i try to flag the 1 partition on the drive to config for linux raid it comes back with like 8 partitions?>? |
| 05:18.24 | w3rd_ | why does it do this? |
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| 05:21.20 | optraz | hi, was wondering if we do this, apt-get install kernel, apt will basically look into the control file of kernel and then to see if it has depend on any other package, if it has, it will auto download all the packages required by kernel package? |
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| 05:26.47 | enouf | w3rd__: perhaps wiki.debian.org has some info? or the sparc specific installation guide? |
| 05:27.21 | enouf | optraz: afaik, apt needs a valid pkgnmae |
| 05:27.24 | enouf | pkgname |
| 05:27.35 | enouf | and "kernel" is too vague |
| 05:28.24 | akio_ | has anyone here used something called a reverse tunnel to get through a corp firewall? |
| 05:28.33 | enouf | optraz: "/msg dpkg apt howto" and 'debian reference' and 'why aptitude' |
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| 05:28.42 | enouf | gah |
| 05:29.01 | enouf | optraz: just reference |
| 05:29.09 | enouf | not debian reference |
| 05:29.38 | enouf | akio_: here's something that might help, might not http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/sshtips.htm |
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| 05:31.04 | akio_ | i was reading the paper from the dev on proxytunnel |
| 05:31.34 | akio_ | i was going to paste the link but I think that goes against etiquette |
| 05:33.02 | Miesco | Whats a good PDF viewer? |
| 05:33.36 | zxcv | xpdf works. |
| 05:34.12 | zxcv | there may be a foxit reader version that works OK on Linux, not sure though, haven't tried it. |
| 05:35.33 | Miesco | evince takes up all my memory |
| 05:36.24 | zxcv | Miesco: http://polishlinux.org/apps/pdf-viewers-for-linux-compared/ |
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| 05:38.20 | jones_513 | http://imagebin.ca/view/eUySFNTn.html what is that and how do i get one in xfce? |
| 05:38.38 | enouf | Miesco: i use acroread, but try evince - i only use acroread (the one and only non-GPL thing i'll touch) because every other one just .. well. let's say not nice on this old hardware with limited ram |
| 05:38.46 | enouf | oh |
| 05:38.52 | enouf | you tried evince |
| 05:39.15 | enouf | there's kpdf, and GhostScript Viewer or something |
| 05:39.38 | enouf | http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software |
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| 05:42.17 | snogglethorpe | enouf: there's also "epdfview" which is i guess like evince but less bloated |
| 05:42.39 | snogglethorpe | enouf: it looks like evince anyway and drags in less junk |
| 05:43.34 | enouf | interesting |
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| 05:45.37 | akio_ | enouf: that souptonuts guy is awesome |
| 05:45.48 | akio_ | or girl |
| 05:46.15 | enouf | heh |
| 05:46.23 | enouf | mike == guy ? :-P |
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| 05:46.59 | akio_ | i saw his picture |
| 05:47.03 | akio_ | with kids |
| 05:47.19 | akio_ | he is a scary smart guy |
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| 05:47.52 | Miesco | xpdf works nice |
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| 05:51.50 | w3rd_ | enouf: ty |
| 05:51.55 | w3rd_ | ill check it out |
| 05:52.05 | enouf | np |
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| 05:52.21 | Miesco | You need a good pdf viewer when your opening a 620mb pdf with like 10k pages |
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| 06:13.15 | k-man | when i run any svn command, it seems to run ok, but produces an segfault after running |
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| 06:15.37 | machinethinking | I'm having some simple issues with heartbeat, anyone here familiar with it? |
| 06:20.15 | enouf | i think this is closed source, but http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_linux.php |
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| 06:20.54 | stew | machinethinking: try #linux-ha |
| 06:21.07 | machinethinking | stew, thx |
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| 06:22.34 | w3rd_ | stew: u up man.. |
| 06:23.07 | k-man | when i run any svn command, i get this error |
| 06:23.14 | k-man | oh, its in pastebin |
| 06:23.15 | k-man | http://paste.stgraber.org/2058 |
| 06:23.21 | k-man | thats the output of strace |
| 06:23.57 | enouf | ugh, i see EULA and i run ... fast |
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| 06:24.50 | nollan_ | i have a problem, i just installed a dependency for a package, but the package still complains that the dep. isn't found? do i need to update something? |
| 06:24.55 | sveakex | hey. is it possible to install this package on any debian system? http://packages.debian.org/sid/herrie |
| 06:24.58 | enouf | hey, many people use opera and nvidia and ati closed crap , so diff strokes for diff jamokes |
| 06:25.48 | enouf | sveakex: why the /sid/ in there? |
| 06:26.05 | sveakex | enouf: because there is no stable yet |
| 06:26.33 | enouf | sveakex: and what's "any debian system" mean? |
| 06:27.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | summarises as 'no you cant' |
| 06:27.21 | sveakex | enouf: my friend has debian installed and she wanted to try out herri |
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| 06:27.37 | sveakex | enouf: and i have never touched debian before |
| 06:28.59 | enouf | sveakex: which "debian" ? |
| 06:28.59 | Haris1 | is my syslog supposed to pick up events which have destination IP set to my net ID or broadcast IP ? <- can this be if my NIC is in promiscous mode? |
| 06:29.40 | sveakex | enouf: i don't think it's sid |
| 06:29.45 | sveakex | etch? |
| 06:29.54 | sveakex | that's the stable one right? |
| 06:30.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | etch is stable yeah. |
| 06:30.16 | enouf | sveakex: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:30.40 | enouf | sveakex: backports are very possiblt |
| 06:30.58 | sveakex | i am asking her to do it, hold |
| 06:31.00 | enouf | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah |
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| 06:31.12 | enouf | oh |
| 06:31.43 | sveakex | enouf: 4.0 |
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| 06:32.05 | enouf | Haris1: dmesg for clues |
| 06:32.21 | enouf | sveakex: ok, that's stable/etch |
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| 06:32.36 | sveakex | enouf: ok, so would it be possible to install the sid package? |
| 06:32.39 | enouf | sveakex: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 06:34.40 | sveakex | enouf: and how would i check if it backported? |
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| 06:35.06 | enouf | !backports |
| 06:35.06 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 06:35.47 | streuner | backports are in pdo too |
| 06:36.05 | enouf | etch+half ? |
| 06:36.06 | Kungo | I am out good nite |
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| 06:36.35 | enouf | or that's kernel related only? |
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| 06:37.05 | sveakex | enouf: thanks |
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| 06:39.09 | seria-mau | hi. i have a problem with a dm-crypt partition. i want to know, if the lvm-partitions inside are gone |
| 06:40.12 | seria-mau | iam able to unlock it with cryptsetup, but there are no additional mappings showing up in /dev/mapper except the one cryptsetup created |
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| 07:00.04 | enouf | cat /proc/partitions maybe |
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| 07:15.10 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 07:15.28 | man_in_shack | having some trouble with iceweasel |
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| 07:16.36 | man_in_shack | 1) downthemall! extension isn't working a lot, 2) iceweasel is segfaulting about every 2nd time i run it |
| 07:17.26 | infernal_jesus | man_in_shack: why are you using ice weasel? |
| 07:17.50 | man_in_shack | infernal_jesus, do you have any other suggestions? |
| 07:17.54 | infernal_jesus | man_in_shack: just download firefox |
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| 07:18.09 | man_in_shack | firefox isn't in apt |
| 07:18.14 | man_in_shack | iceweasel is |
| 07:18.18 | man_in_shack | do you have a sensible suggestion? |
| 07:18.21 | infernal_jesus | man_in_shack: download firefox source :) |
| 07:18.36 | hark | infernal_jesus: stop giving useless advice |
| 07:18.54 | infernal_jesus | sensible suggestion: http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=linux |
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| 07:19.50 | man_in_shack | opera != iceweasel |
| 07:19.59 | man_in_shack | opera isn't even CLOSE to iceweasel |
| 07:20.13 | infernal_jesus | man_in_shack: never said it was :P |
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| 07:20.31 | hark | man_in_shack: how is the extension not working? |
| 07:21.00 | man_in_shack | hark, the only thing that works in relation to it is the Prefs dialogue from the Addons menu |
| 07:21.32 | man_in_shack | it adds a submenu to the context menu with 3 or 4 blank items with icons, then "Preferences", which doesn't work |
| 07:21.53 | sep | man_in_shack, iceweasel and firefox is exactly the same. any changes you experience from swapping will be from different versions, not becouse the binary have changed the name. So if you have problems with it you can try using a different version package from backports, or testing. |
| 07:22.13 | sep | man_in_shack, you should also try a clean user profile. just in case |
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| 07:22.42 | hark | man_in_shack: yes, try with a new profile |
| 07:22.51 | man_in_shack | the tricky part is killing the profile and keeping bookmarks and settings |
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| 07:24.15 | hark | man_in_shack: just run "iceweasel -no-remote -p" and create a new profile |
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| 07:24.58 | hark | you should not need to kill your existing profile |
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| 07:25.37 | man_in_shack | i still need to transfer over bookmarks and work out some way to handle the extensions i've installed |
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| 07:27.32 | hark | this is just to test, or try something like Flashgot instead of DownThemAll |
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| 07:31.34 | icesword | hello. |
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| 07:33.01 | dragonfly | ok, I'm not exactly sure what to Google for on this so could someone at least point me in the right direction? I'm looking for a way to create a sort of customized Debian distribution that would use all official packages and such, but that could be installed without setting up any root or user accounts with the idea being that when the user (read new owner) first turns the machine on it will asked them to set up a root password and use |
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| 07:34.04 | dragonfly | another option would be for it to install completely hands-free (put the disk in, hit the power button, and walk away)...here again it might be nice to do the password creation and stuff upon first use rather than at install time |
| 07:35.00 | sep | dragonfly, google for preseed debian |
| 07:36.11 | deadcat_ | so if i want to try compiz. do i need kde/gnome? |
| 07:36.32 | Haris1 | Guys, can I implement a TBF qdisc for a group of MAC addresses? I know I can do it for IPs |
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| 07:36.58 | dragonfly | thank you sep |
| 07:37.14 | man_in_shack | deadcat_, hell no |
| 07:37.43 | deadcat_ | man_in_shack: just install and it will start eh? |
| 07:37.49 | man_in_shack | maybe |
| 07:37.55 | deadcat_ | so you dont know? |
| 07:38.04 | man_in_shack | depends on how you install it |
| 07:38.09 | deadcat_ | man_in_shack: apt-get |
| 07:38.12 | man_in_shack | ask in #compiz-fusion, they might be able to help :) |
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| 07:39.30 | man_in_shack | ok, so far so good on this profile |
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| 07:42.31 | Haris1 | what icmp type is traceroute? |
| 07:42.44 | Kevin` | Haris1 echo usually |
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| 07:42.52 | beoba | hi, im trying to get a streamzap remote to work with a debian machine, but all the documentation im finding for installing the needed kernel modules are commentary about brokenness in the build system, or postings for people using 2.4.x |
| 07:43.05 | beoba | example: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/3ac8c4820de83e4c/b28aa97db455524c |
| 07:43.06 | Haris1 | so 0 and 8 ? |
| 07:43.17 | Kevin` | I don't memorize the numbers :) |
| 07:43.23 | Haris1 | http://cities.lk.net/trproto.html |
| 07:43.24 | Kevin` | it won't generate an echo-reply though |
| 07:43.26 | dragonfly | sep, I know I will need to do a lot more reading on this, but with preseed would it be possible to install base, desktop, and some commonly used packages and then let the use set the hostname, root password, etc so have none set beforehand? |
| 07:43.29 | beoba | and http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg377789.html |
| 07:43.45 | Kevin` | Haris1 if you don't know exactly how traceroute works you probably shouldn't be blocking it |
| 07:43.58 | man_in_shack | ok, i've got most of my settings restored, all my bookmarks and cookies |
| 07:44.01 | man_in_shack | looking good |
| 07:44.41 | Haris1 | well, traceroute isn't rocket science |
| 07:44.52 | Haris1 | I'm not blocking it |
| 07:44.56 | Haris1 | I'm figuring out an issue |
| 07:45.23 | Haris1 | obviously I'm thinking aloud in the process :| |
| 07:45.29 | Kevin` | Haris1 traceroute can use any protocol, as long as it increments the ttl. the responses will be icmp time exceeded (iirc, or very similar) |
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| 07:45.44 | Haris1 | obviously = apparently |
| 07:45.47 | Kevin` | some normal traceroute programs use udp |
| 07:45.57 | Kevin` | from what i've heard. |
| 07:46.21 | Haris1 | icmp request and replies work via udp :p |
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| 07:46.52 | Kevin` | no they work via icmp.. |
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| 08:30.50 | prahal | hi I have issues with initramfs ... alsa and wifi drivers do not load properly when I use an initramfs while they do if I don't . I need initramfs for s2disk ... |
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| 08:34.26 | prahal | do you know the internals of initrams (I guess udev in it) ? how could this happens ? |
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| 08:43.29 | prahal | uhrm sorry I just found a patch in udev debbugs . works neat . been searching for days , bad timing |
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| 08:51.21 | Anubis_be | hey all, does anyone knows some sort of ventrilo open source alternative where it is possible to connect on with a ventrilo client? |
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| 08:53.48 | sep | Anubis_be, perhaps mumble, but i do not think you can conenct with any kind of client |
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| 08:54.30 | Maulkin | Anubis_be: there is none. |
| 08:55.07 | Anubis_be | damn |
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| 08:55.21 | Anubis_be | then I am limited to 8 connections if I want to use vent client |
| 08:55.39 | sep | Anubis_be, so use a different client :) |
| 08:55.41 | Rienzilla | why's that |
| 08:56.02 | Anubis_be | the free version of ventrilo is hard coded limited to 8 connections |
| 08:56.08 | Rienzilla | only the server |
| 08:56.30 | suppaman | bye |
| 08:56.31 | Rienzilla | the free client can connect to a "corporate" server no problem |
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| 08:56.45 | Rienzilla | and then you can talk to > 8 ppl |
| 08:56.58 | fx|RabBit | hieverybody! |
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| 08:57.11 | Anubis_be | aye, but to buy a corporated server is way over my limit :) |
| 08:57.19 | fx|RabBit | does anyone use a webcam with skype? |
| 08:57.20 | Anubis_be | they want you to buy 1000 slots at the same time |
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| 08:58.00 | fx|RabBit | i need some advice on what cam to choose.. |
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| 08:59.24 | eth01 | most recent creative products are now supported on linux as are some logitechs |
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| 08:59.32 | eth01 | ;) |
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| 09:00.25 | fx|RabBit | eth01: umm that may be but i dont get a creative live!optia af to work with skype |
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| 09:00.37 | fx|RabBit | allthough it works with ekiga |
| 09:00.57 | jetscreamer | ahhh buddy |
| 09:01.12 | eth01 | well, thats got nothing to do with debian? |
| 09:01.15 | eth01 | just skype |
| 09:01.41 | eth01 | jetscreamer: ah its you :) |
| 09:01.46 | fx|RabBit | eth01: which is precisel the reaso why i asked for webcam on skype;) |
| 09:01.49 | jetscreamer | make your time! |
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| 09:02.05 | fx|RabBit | as i am using etch i ask here |
| 09:02.10 | eth01 | fx|RabBit: have you tried to work out why it's not working with skype, though? |
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| 09:02.31 | fx|RabBit | eth01: fo hours tsust me, hehe |
| 09:02.36 | eth01 | jetscreamer: dr in the future ;) |
| 09:02.43 | eth01 | fx|RabBit: oh.. |
| 09:02.48 | eth01 | fx|RabBit: 1 sec then |
| 09:03.32 | fx|RabBit | eth01: sure:) |
| 09:03.50 | jim | fx|RabBit: so what is the history of that? |
| 09:04.06 | jetscreamer | there is no #skype |
| 09:04.10 | jim | if you worked for hours, you must have learned something |
| 09:04.10 | jetscreamer | thought there would be |
| 09:04.51 | jetscreamer | waves@jim |
| 09:04.55 | jetscreamer | he's dead jim |
| 09:04.58 | fx|RabBit | jim: not that much to tell, i installed linux-uvc, that made my creative live! optia af work with ekiga but nt with skype, camstream or mplayer |
| 09:04.58 | jim | hiya :) |
| 09:05.10 | eth01 | fx|RabBit: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/webcam_communications/webcams/devices/2989&cl=gb,en |
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| 09:05.22 | eth01 | fx|RabBit: that works on debian lenny with skype ;) |
| 09:05.30 | fx|RabBit | jim: i learned that skype doesnt even turn the cam on... |
| 09:05.44 | jim | fx|RabBit: ever find out why? |
| 09:05.51 | fx|RabBit | eth01: hukay ill lokk into that thanx alot so far:) |
| 09:06.09 | jetscreamer | wonders if there's a place in skype to tell it what to use |
| 09:06.15 | fx|RabBit | jim: absolutely not, after really having read alot of threads over google i gave up.. |
| 09:06.20 | eth01 | aye there is |
| 09:06.32 | fx|RabBit | yes there is |
| 09:06.34 | jetscreamer | i never tried skype |
| 09:06.44 | eth01 | you wouldn't |
| 09:06.50 | fx|RabBit | it recons /dev/video0 it just cant turn it on... |
| 09:06.52 | eth01 | its for the n00b |
| 09:07.10 | jim | fx|RabBit: oh well... you tried... |
| 09:07.11 | fx|RabBit | eth01: nope its for the professor hrhrhr |
| 09:07.13 | jetscreamer | so is he in the video group? |
| 09:07.42 | jim | Professor N. Ooby |
| 09:07.44 | eth01 | fx|RabBit: you probably haven't set it up corectly. |
| 09:07.55 | fx|RabBit | jim: i did *sigh* :) |
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| 09:08.16 | fx|RabBit | eth01: i seriously didnt dind anything to set up correctly... |
| 09:08.39 | fx|RabBit | find even.. |
| 09:08.44 | eth01 | Dr B K L LLM MB BChir ? :P |
| 09:08.55 | eth01 | fx|RabBit: eh? |
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| 09:09.23 | jim | eth01: dat's a long one! |
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| 09:09.43 | jetscreamer | is dr known? |
| 09:09.46 | fx|RabBit | eth01: you said i probably didnt set it up correctly, theres not really anything you can do much wrong... |
| 09:10.07 | eth01 | jim: thanks! |
| 09:10.22 | jim | I couldn't figure it out |
| 09:10.25 | jim | what |
| 09:10.33 | jim | s it say? |
| 09:11.02 | eth01 | jim: master of law, medicine/surgery :) |
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| 09:11.56 | fx|RabBit | point is we can buy some logitec quickcam pro 9000 for the professors but we need to find some cheaper ones for the students s those cost about a 100 bugs... |
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| 09:12.08 | fx|RabBit | tha is why i was asking.. |
| 09:12.30 | eth01 | jim: "B K L" are my initals FYI too |
| 09:12.40 | eth01 | s/initals/initials |
| 09:12.51 | jim | oh ok :) |
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| 09:18.40 | BotaniCar | anyone have a idea how to speed up my SSH logins via putty ? (i have a 5 sec wait time before i am offered a login prompt) |
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| 09:19.24 | jim | BotaniCar: see if it's a dns problem |
| 09:20.14 | BotaniCar | it's not, local dns server and cache, quick as lightning |
| 09:20.34 | jim | does it have names for the machine you're sshing from and to? |
| 09:20.43 | BotaniCar | yes |
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| 09:20.52 | jim | and reverse dns as well? |
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| 09:21.03 | BotaniCar | cheked both |
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| 09:21.13 | BotaniCar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.21 | BotaniCar | so its not that either |
| 09:21.32 | jim | ok, let's see... |
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| 09:22.12 | stev7en | hello everyone |
| 09:22.13 | jim | let's see... are the two machines on an internal net? |
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| 09:22.46 | BotaniCar | yes |
| 09:22.56 | jim | ok, what are their dns names? |
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| 09:23.37 | BotaniCar | irrelevant, they are cached and it hangs from cached and non cached machines |
| 09:24.03 | jim | have a nice evening... maybe someone else is willing to help when you're not |
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| 09:25.55 | BotaniCar | jim: if it was for me, you are not helping me by asking the real dns names, i told you they are cached , cant be so free with real names since it's company network |
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| 09:26.43 | jim | why didn't you say so in the first place? |
| 09:27.01 | jim | ok, you have a debian box and a win box. yes? |
| 09:27.07 | BotaniCar | becaus i was interested in what to look for |
| 09:27.12 | BotaniCar | and i still am |
| 09:27.17 | BotaniCar | yes, both |
| 09:27.28 | dserban | so... I have an all-debian home network. I want to setup a central file server to serve media ... nfs or samba? or? recommendations? |
| 09:27.31 | BotaniCar | altho, let me mention, ssh linux <> linux has a login hang too |
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| 09:27.35 | jim | and you're having problems sshing from the win box to the deb box? |
| 09:27.58 | BotaniCar | no problems, works fine, just hangs for a few sec before offering login |
| 09:28.37 | fx|RabBit | dserban: nfs! |
| 09:28.47 | jim | but you're noticing that between (right now) those machines in particular? |
| 09:28.58 | dserban | boo! usually have problems with umask... |
| 09:29.07 | ApOgEE- | hi all, i recently upgrade my sarge to etch.. but now, i can't login to ssh... i got "closed by remote host" after issuing correct password... any ideas? |
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| 09:29.14 | dserban | ie. I create a file and it can't be read by the user etc... |
| 09:29.16 | dserban | meh |
| 09:29.18 | dserban | then... |
| 09:29.30 | BotaniCar | jim: i am noticing it when connecting from intranet and internet for last monthh |
| 09:29.56 | eth01 | say you've got a 250gb HDD, and you've formatted it... why the hell does it somehow reduce in size, like, this one i've got atm, only has 232gb available? :/ |
| 09:30.06 | dserban | access and permissions... then I need either pam_somedatabase or install a central ldap server for authentication.... samba can force permissions on certain shares... i know it's windows ... but I'm looking for suggestions. |
| 09:30.08 | jim | I've got a 250g HDD!!! |
| 09:30.12 | jetscreamer | so those are all your initials |
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| 09:30.32 | eth01 | cant work it out |
| 09:31.03 | jim | there's a reserved percentage on many partitions |
| 09:31.28 | eth01 | what i'm saying is, how can i get that whole 250gb back? |
| 09:31.36 | jetscreamer | plus MiB vs mb or whatever it is |
| 09:32.06 | fx|RabBit | eth01: you cant |
| 09:32.26 | jim | it went down the rabBit hole! |
| 09:32.39 | jetscreamer | you can reduce the reserved % ... but i only know when you create it, probably tune2fs |
| 09:32.43 | dserban | hmm kay samba it is :( |
| 09:32.48 | fx|RabBit | 250/1024/1024/1024*1000*1000*1000==232 |
| 09:32.55 | jetscreamer | for windows it's samba |
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| 09:33.20 | jetscreamer | that would be the MiB vs MB (or whatever) |
| 09:33.23 | eth01 | seatools mentions something, so i'll look at tha |
| 09:33.39 | dserban | gah... I just probably don't understand the intricacies of nfs... and why it's so ... lame |
| 09:33.58 | jetscreamer | nfs works great 'behind' the firewall |
| 09:35.09 | dserban | aye, though as I've said... authentication, permissions (umask problems) are the show stoppers for nfs imho... |
| 09:35.41 | jetscreamer | it's easy to get going in a home network behind a firewall is all i can tell you |
| 09:35.41 | jim | sto shoppers? |
| 09:35.56 | jetscreamer | through a firewall, beats me |
| 09:36.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | nfs through a firewall? |
| 09:36.25 | jetscreamer | not here |
| 09:36.26 | dserban | openvpn works for gateways etc... |
| 09:36.36 | dserban | nah, just bitching about nfs |
| 09:36.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah ok |
| 09:36.57 | jetscreamer | well i usually had some iptables rules on each machine |
| 09:37.16 | jetscreamer | once i turned em off... |
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| 09:39.19 | jetscreamer | thinks drop all would stop stuff |
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| 09:41.27 | macsim | hi, any chance to restaure a lost+found on a Reiserfs partition ? after a reiserfsck --rebuild-tree -S |
| 09:42.00 | ApOgEE- | hmm.... |
| 09:42.02 | jetscreamer | jfs baybee |
| 09:42.10 | macsim | :) |
| 09:42.32 | jim | reiser bad juju |
| 09:43.03 | jetscreamer | dark magic |
| 09:43.05 | ApOgEE- | i got it now... solved... thanks for nobody wanna help me... :P |
| 09:43.24 | macsim | ApOgEE-, thanks yourself ;) |
| 09:43.49 | jetscreamer | ApOgEE-: we knew that you were smart enough to figure it out on your own, so of course we let you. |
| 09:44.19 | jetscreamer | we don't know you good enough to have made it to the hand holding stage |
| 09:44.29 | jetscreamer | much less first base |
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| 09:44.31 | ApOgEE- | jetscreamer, i'm strugling since the last 3 hour try to figure out why |
| 09:44.41 | Supermaniak | Hello |
| 09:44.48 | jetscreamer | so why was it |
| 09:45.38 | Supermaniak | I am having a question. I wish to setup debian current on a server that have a 3ware 9650-2LP raid card, but at setup (netinst) the system doesn't recognize my raid card |
| 09:45.43 | Supermaniak | any idea, how to get thru ? |
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| 09:46.25 | ApOgEE- | jetscreamer, simply because the PasswordAuthentication is changed to yes on sshd_config... small thing, i couldn't find.. demm |
| 09:47.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | ApOgEE-, what was the problem? |
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| 09:47.08 | fx|RabBit | Supermaniak: try the kmuto etch version that hat loads of drivers, if that one also doesnt work it'll get very hard... |
| 09:47.12 | jetscreamer | Supermaniak: you would probably need a kmuto image |
| 09:47.15 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 09:47.15 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 09:47.22 | abchirk | !seen nyle |
| 09:47.22 | dpkg | nyle <n=stoned@unaffiliated/stoned> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14d 18h 13m 9s ago, saying: '!debian clone'. |
| 09:47.23 | jetscreamer | but i'm guessing |
| 09:47.35 | ApOgEE- | Kamping_Kaiser, nothing... solved already.. thanks for asking |
| 09:47.37 | jetscreamer | you might check the install docs |
| 09:47.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats a long time without nyle |
| 09:47.56 | Supermaniak | thanks guy |
| 09:47.59 | jetscreamer | or, do you know what kernel supports your hardware? |
| 09:48.01 | jim | !seen stoned |
| 09:48.01 | dpkg | stoned <n=stoned@unaffiliated/stoned> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15d 18h 54m 56s ago, saying: 'WHAT THE FUCK!'. |
| 09:48.02 | Supermaniak | will dl and give a try |
| 09:48.05 | jetscreamer | s/what/which/ |
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| 09:48.33 | jetscreamer | and raid is a different animal |
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| 09:48.55 | jetscreamer | !raid install |
| 09:49.00 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 09:49.23 | Supermaniak | no idea |
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| 09:49.38 | jetscreamer | not me, others do |
| 09:49.45 | jetscreamer | if they're looking |
| 09:51.00 | Supermaniak | but there is no way to use a specific driver with the basic image ? |
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| 09:51.28 | jim | well you'd probably have to compile that driver for the particular kernel involved |
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| 09:51.54 | Supermaniak | but howto do before the install ? |
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| 09:52.52 | jetscreamer | i'd look at kmuto, might be an hw list or something, or find out what kernel it uses and see if that one supports your hw |
| 09:52.54 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 09:52.57 | jetscreamer | !which driver |
| 09:52.58 | dpkg | driver locator is, like, To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
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| 09:53.23 | Supermaniak | I can't type this command without having a shell !? |
| 09:53.37 | jim | boot the install cd |
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| 09:53.56 | Bac0n | is is k7 remove as kernel... linux-image-k7 depends on linux-image-686 now |
| 09:53.57 | jetscreamer | you should be able to run... ah it's a remote server? |
| 09:54.05 | Bac0n | lenny |
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| 09:54.15 | Supermaniak | hold on |
| 09:54.40 | jetscreamer | Bac0n: yes no more k7, 686 (optimized for pentium pro) is your only choice, cept the -486 or an amd64 |
| 09:54.46 | jetscreamer | compile one, it's easyh |
| 09:54.53 | Bac0n | ok .. nice :)= |
| 09:55.16 | jim | why did they do that |
| 09:55.24 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 09:55.44 | jetscreamer | maybe they changed the optimization, i just know what it was a month ago or whenver they did that to sid |
| 09:55.56 | jetscreamer | and i started compiling again |
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| 09:56.04 | hark | !k7 dropped |
| 09:56.04 | dpkg | well, k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
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| 09:58.29 | jetscreamer | looks like an ubuntu br |
| 09:58.35 | jetscreamer | i'm ashamed |
| 09:58.48 | jim | what's a br |
| 09:58.57 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 09:58.58 | Bac0n | <jetscreamer>: you complie from vanilla git or debian source |
| 09:58.59 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 09:58.59 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 09:59.15 | jetscreamer | debian unless kernel.org is newer |
| 09:59.21 | jetscreamer | i'm not picky |
| 09:59.30 | jetscreamer | usually debian sources |
| 10:00.22 | Bac0n | you have to unpack source every time a new one comes |
| 10:00.26 | jetscreamer | like the paravirt_ops thing, it wasn't in debian so i used the kernel.org till it was |
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| 10:00.51 | jetscreamer | oh wait that was wrong |
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| 10:00.58 | jetscreamer | but something like that |
| 10:01.52 | Bac0n | is there some way to get debian kernel source svn or git |
| 10:01.57 | tengulre11 | why not running cron */30 * * * * /usr/local/bin/run.sh in /etc/crontab ? |
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| 10:07.00 | Penix | !ping |
| 10:07.00 | dpkg | pong |
| 10:07.04 | Penix | right cable |
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| 10:14.45 | Supermaniak | sounds like 3ware offer solution (http://www.3ware.com/KB/article.aspx?id=15012) |
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| 10:19.25 | alesan | hi, I am trying to "rescue" a system. what should I write in /etc/network/interfaces to enable dhcp? |
| 10:19.33 | alesan | instead of a static IP? |
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| 10:20.06 | jim | what's the first line of the static interfaces stanza now? |
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| 10:22.43 | jim | alesan: are you still here? |
| 10:22.46 | alesan | yes |
| 10:22.52 | alesan | sorry |
| 10:22.52 | jim | what's the first line of the static interfaces stanza now? |
| 10:23.03 | alesan | stanza ? |
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| 10:23.25 | jim | do you have static ip now? |
| 10:23.29 | alesan | yes |
| 10:23.43 | alesan | sorry I do not understand the term "stanza" let me look on a dictionary |
| 10:23.52 | jim | have you read the interfaces file? |
| 10:24.15 | alesan | I edited it |
| 10:24.32 | jim | ok, what did you edit? |
| 10:24.40 | alesan | iface eth0 inet dhcp <- this should be ok to enable dhcp |
| 10:25.04 | jim | if eth0 is the right interface you want to use yes. |
| 10:25.24 | efaistos | auto eth0 also |
| 10:26.19 | alesan | efaistos: it is already there. |
| 10:26.34 | alesan | there is /sbin/dhclient |
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| 10:26.45 | alesan | so I do not see why network does not start here :( |
| 10:26.48 | jim | and what's the problem? |
| 10:26.50 | alesan | I tired again but no luck. |
| 10:27.00 | jim | what did you try? |
| 10:27.06 | alesan | jim: this is a NSLU2 device on which I have installed debian. |
| 10:27.16 | efaistos | what ifconfig gives you ? |
| 10:27.19 | alesan | it ran for about a year but a few days ago I noticed I could not reach it anymore |
| 10:27.27 | alesan | and I am now trying to check the confoiguration |
| 10:27.39 | alesan | I attached it's harddisk to my laptop on USB... |
| 10:27.53 | alesan | efaistos: I cannot login in the system if I do not have networking. |
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| 10:28.15 | jim | remote? |
| 10:28.16 | alesan | the status LED confirm the system is up and running... but simply no network |
| 10:28.18 | moshii | alesan: you've checked stuff like cables? |
| 10:28.34 | alesan | the network cable work on another system, the LED of the switch goes on |
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| 10:28.50 | alesan | I tired two switches even :) |
| 10:28.57 | alesan | tried |
| 10:29.03 | moshii | alesan: does it show any activity? maybe the phy has died |
| 10:29.44 | alesan | mh, I am not sure about that, how can I check? |
| 10:29.45 | moshii | alesan: also I think the firmware has some rescue mode built in, you might want to try that |
| 10:29.51 | testi | Are there any echo-server in the internet that answer on all UDP and TCP Ports? |
| 10:30.11 | alesan | the problem's that my only access to a console is through ssh |
| 10:30.26 | jim | testi: ping is icmp echo |
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| 10:30.48 | jim | testi: you could write one |
| 10:30.52 | moshii | alesan: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddASerialPort |
| 10:31.21 | alesan | moshii: :) |
| 10:31.45 | testi | jim: I don't want a software package |
| 10:31.45 | alesan | moshii: I have a USB to serial adapter indeed. |
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| 10:32.11 | testi | jim: i just want to test the local firewall |
| 10:32.24 | jim | testi: you can still write on |
| 10:32.26 | jim | e |
| 10:33.19 | testi | Sure i could, with one or two iptable rules, but that's not the point |
| 10:33.26 | moshii | alesan: still, if it's a config problem you should be able to get access while it's in recovery mode. I'm sort of guessing the firmwares have one.. |
| 10:34.12 | jim | testi: ok, sure, but I'm saying you could write one in C or perl too |
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| 10:34.37 | jim | and if that's not the point, what is? |
| 10:35.47 | testi | I want to know if there exists a service online somewhere to test out firewalls. I don't have a computer that can be completely exposed to the internet, so even if i can write a program which can do what I want I can't use it. |
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| 10:37.21 | jim | not that I know of. but that doesn't mean much... you could try googling it |
| 10:38.08 | moshii | testi: you want someone to port scan your firewall? |
| 10:38.42 | testi | moshii: no, the other way - outgoing connection restrictions |
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| 10:39.50 | moshii | testi: it doesn matter if the box on the other end replies to all the ports you test then.. the firewall drop counter should still go up, the packet should never leave your network |
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| 10:40.23 | moshii | testi: use nmap to do a scan on some random host outside the firewall and check that the right counters are going up |
| 10:41.22 | moshii | testi: also i wouldn't be a very good firewall if it didn't enforce the rules you've given it |
| 10:41.30 | moshii | testi: *it |
| 10:41.59 | Haris1 | How can I filter rtsp protocol completely? |
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| 10:42.21 | CAiRO | what can i do if logrotate does't execute the prerotate script? if i check from command line in debug mode, it says it runs them but it does nothing |
| 10:43.12 | markrian | I can't seem to find this info on debian.org - what etch discs do I need in order to install debian with a GNOME desktop? |
| 10:43.33 | moshii | Haris1: some sort of level7 filter, unless it only ever uses a certain port(s) |
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| 10:45.33 | rad-at-work | re |
| 10:45.58 | rad-at-work | ppl, how to bring alive "freezed" autofs, except rebooting of course |
| 10:46.13 | moshii | joining with ubuntu in your freenode taggy thing,.. suicide? |
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| 10:47.07 | moshii | rad-at-work: restart the autofs deamon, sometimes you have to reboot if it's really broken |
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| 10:48.08 | ted_ | hello, what is the quickest way(in time) to delete all files of an ext3 partition? |
| 10:48.35 | moshii | ted_: umount it, mkfs.ext3 /dev/yourdrive |
| 10:48.57 | moshii | ted_: might be slightly quickly than rm |
| 10:49.06 | sep | moshii, depends on how many files there are |
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| 10:49.24 | moshii | sep: yup, and how big the drive is |
| 10:49.48 | sep | moshii, how big the partition is,. the drive size is irrelevant. |
| 10:50.13 | moshii | sep: yeah that's what I meant. |
| 10:50.39 | ted_ | so reformat the partition is the best option |
| 10:50.53 | sep | ted_, you can try time rm -rf /your/ext3/mountpoint and then time the mkfs command that mosii tried earlier. then youll know witch one is quicker to delete all those files |
| 10:50.59 | moshii | ted_: depends, if you have one huge file rm will be quicker |
| 10:51.31 | ted_ | i have lots of small files, so the format option is better I guess |
| 10:51.42 | Haris1 | What I need is to filter ALL streaming media |
| 10:51.49 | ted_ | thanks all |
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| 10:52.28 | moshii | Haris1: http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 10:53.11 | Haris1 | I know l7. I found it in iptables-tutorial. Any other way? |
| 10:53.29 | moshii | Haris1: you could use iptables to just drop traffic on certain ports. Do some sort of URL filtering.. |
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| 10:58.49 | Haris1 | Guys, what is the best remote dns service on the internet? |
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| 11:00.55 | assasukasse | how do i terminate a bash script? exit 0 leaves it in zombie |
| 11:01.27 | sep | !zombie |
| 11:01.27 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 11:01.29 | tarzeau | assasukasse: then it's a problem with what else you do in the script |
| 11:01.47 | assasukasse | thanks tarzeau |
| 11:02.18 | jim | waiting to be waited on |
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| 11:06.58 | Snadder | How can I view cpu usage of each threads started by a given process? |
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| 11:07.19 | mixter | hi! i have a problem connecting to some smtp-servers. if i use `telnet remote-server 25` a connection is established, but i never get a welcome-message from the remote server. i get this problem with 2.6-kernels, but eveything is ok on a client with a 2.4-kernel. what could be wrong here? |
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| 11:07.51 | adjaxio | Bonjour j'ai un probleme avec php5 |
| 11:08.23 | mixter | adjaxio: english would be better, then someone might be able to help you. :-) |
| 11:08.27 | adjaxio | je narrive pas a cree de repertoir depuit |
| 11:08.31 | tarzeau | !fr |
| 11:08.31 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org. |
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| 11:08.42 | adjaxio | desoler |
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| 11:13.39 | deufrai | Hi there. I need to set env. variable that must be available to various ksh scripts et C programs. Where is the best place to define them ? '/etc/profile' ? |
| 11:13.59 | deufrai | tried that, but a newly opened shell doesn't see them |
| 11:14.05 | deufrai | does it imply a reboot |
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| 11:14.15 | Supermaniak | how to hold a package from apt ? |
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| 11:15.53 | deufrai | or in a script launched from /etc/rc.local, that can be relaunched when I add new variables ? |
| 11:15.58 | deufrai | I need advice, please |
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| 11:18.31 | mixter | deufrai: could you add them in ~/.bashrc? if you need them only after login |
| 11:18.59 | deufrai | mixter: They will be need in C programs and ksh scripts as well |
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| 11:21.54 | mixter | deufrai: /etc/rc.local sounds good otherwise, if you don't need to change the variables at runtime |
| 11:24.56 | deufrai | mixter: I may need to add some at runtime, that's why I thought about a script that _will be launched_ vi /etc/rc.local. So if variables are added after system boot, said script can be relaunched |
| 11:25.18 | mixter | deufrai: that sound good to me. :-) |
| 11:25.48 | deufrai | k, will fiddle with that |
| 11:25.51 | deufrai | peace |
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| 11:30.10 | Oe_eden | if debian-i386 with an amd64 kernel will also work fine why should i consider debian-amd64 |
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| 11:32.02 | moshii | Oe_eden: some apps run faster, but there are issues. you have to weigh it up and decide |
| 11:32.02 | Penix | Oe_eden: if it's a server, consider it. otherwise, go the i386 + 64bit kernel route |
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| 11:33.15 | Oe_eden | please name some 'issues'. it's for a webserver (apache2 from source) btw |
| 11:33.51 | moshii | Oe_eden: a lot of people have trouble getting non-free stuff running, binaries are bigger.. |
| 11:34.43 | chris_abyi | hi. I've got a little problem here. Currently, I'm using debian lenny (testing), 2.6-24-1. After the update to the current kernel, my nvidia driver didn't work anymore. Now I also don't find the nvidia-glx or any nvidia driver via aptitude. Do I need to install the original nvidia driver? |
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| 11:36.39 | Oe_eden | mosshii: can bigger binaries also mean more ram consumption? |
| 11:37.04 | mhymn | hi, may I ask e KDE related question? nobody answered on #debian-kde :-( |
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| 11:37.20 | moshii | Oe_eden: well yeah, you can't run stuff that isn't in memory |
| 11:38.28 | Oe_eden | mosshii: ok figures than :) but I thought maybe it'd be bigger because of the symbols (which are stripped from a binary in ram) |
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| 11:42.27 | hark | chris_abyi: you have to reinstall the nvidia kernel source package and run m-a again |
| 11:43.00 | chris_abyi | hark, m-a ? |
| 11:43.05 | chris_abyi | module assistant? |
| 11:43.58 | hark | chris_abyi: you should already have it if you installed the drivers the debian way, just run m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia-glx(or legacy) |
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| 11:44.47 | byte_slave | hello everyone! |
| 11:45.11 | byte_slave | i've a newbie question, maybe easy for someone of you |
| 11:45.44 | chris_abyi | hark, ok. thank you |
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| 11:46.12 | themill | !just ask |
| 11:46.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:47.34 | byte_slave | installing applications via apt-get install is great undeed, but how about to know the correct name os the package? for example i need to get perl-Compress-Zlib installed but with this name apt-get can't get it, how to have and index of packages name? |
| 11:47.48 | Snadder | ps -eLf displays each thread of a process.. but dosnt display how much cpu usage each tread have.. any way to do that? |
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| 11:48.43 | themill | !tell byte_slave about search |
| 11:48.58 | mhymn | hi, I have a problem while using "http://wiki.debian.org/Kde4schroot" to test KDE4. I can't find "/etc/schroot/mount-defaults" :-( |
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| 11:49.44 | Penix | mhymn: create it then |
| 11:49.50 | streuner | Snadder: top? |
| 11:49.51 | Penix | mhymn: it's telling you to overwrite it anyway |
| 11:50.00 | themill | byte_slave: apt-file is quite handy for that. The canonical form for perl modules is libmodule-name-perl. |
| 11:50.23 | themill | byte_slave: i.e. the perl module Config::IniFiles is in libconfig-inifiles-perl. |
| 11:50.46 | themill | byte_slave: so take a look at libcompress-zlib-perl :) |
| 11:50.48 | Snadder | streuner, I only get a total cpu usage... not one for each thread. in top.. but maybe there is some options for it.. Hmm. |
| 11:51.30 | byte_slave | themill, i think i got it thank you :) |
| 11:51.37 | cusco | Snadder: I wouldn't know.. I use htop to check the resources consumption tho |
| 11:51.48 | tarzeau | !debtakeover |
| 11:51.48 | dpkg | well, debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 11:58.42 | EmleyMoor | Oh wow! Been looking for something I can refer people to to go Debian |
| 11:58.44 | jelly | tarzeau: it's kind of FECKIN OLD |
| 11:59.04 | EmleyMoor | It banishes dead rat and replaces it with OldHat |
| 11:59.29 | jelly | luvz hiz rhel machinez... not |
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| 12:00.27 | EmleyMoor | Has anyone thought of calling anything "fez" yet? |
| 12:00.37 | Penix | what? |
| 12:01.15 | Supermaniak | how to ask apt, to never install a packet ? like any linux-* ? |
| 12:01.24 | EmleyMoor | It's a hat (often red) that isn't a Fedora |
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| 12:01.44 | EmleyMoor | Supermaniak: Do you mean you want to keep the one you have even if there is an update? |
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| 12:02.46 | Supermaniak | yes |
| 12:02.47 | Supermaniak | exact |
| 12:03.05 | byte_slave | why do i have 2 folders, onde apache and other apache2 in /etc dir? |
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| 12:03.11 | EmleyMoor | Supermaniak: Set its status to "hold" - in aptitude, put the bar on it and press = |
| 12:03.20 | rgr | With the release of the 2.6.24 kernel in Lenny, my NVidia driver is broken again. Do the "built in" drivers work so I dont bother with the Nvidia ones and needing to recompile all the time? If so what is the package name? (By work I mean dual monitors and compiz compatible). |
| 12:03.27 | EmleyMoor | (I have had to do that5 with a package on my lenny box) |
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| 12:04.03 | Supermaniak | alright, thanks |
| 12:04.08 | Supermaniak | and where is the kernel in aptitude ? |
| 12:04.13 | Oe_eden | btw how will apt 'know' what arch you use it just uses "etch main"on i386 and on amd64 |
| 12:04.37 | EmleyMoor | Look for the relevant linux-image packages |
| 12:05.24 | hark | Oe_eden: it automatically does it based on the current architecture |
| 12:05.32 | Supermaniak | sure |
| 12:05.35 | Supermaniak | but where ? |
| 12:05.48 | hark | Supermaniak: /msg dpkg hold |
| 12:05.56 | EmleyMoor | Just do a search (using /) - would have thought in base tbh |
| 12:06.11 | hark | Oe_eden: man sources.list for more info |
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| 12:06.31 | hark | rgr: the free nv driver is 2d only |
| 12:06.43 | BaD_CrC | is there a command to tell if a cpu is socket 478 or socket 775? i can't open the case right now, well, since it's across the country. i want to upgrade the box when i go travelling soon. |
| 12:07.00 | Supermaniak | thanks for the tip |
| 12:07.27 | Supermaniak | and how do you set it to not be upgraded anymore ? |
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| 12:07.40 | Supermaniak | I will all the time compile it by hand |
| 12:07.41 | EmleyMoor | Supermaniak: In aptitude you press = on it... |
| 12:08.04 | jelly | EmleyMoor: announcing the official Turkish Communist Party distro, Red Fez? |
| 12:08.11 | Supermaniak | does it change the status to ih ? |
| 12:08.23 | EmleyMoor | jelly: Was thinking more the Tommy Cooper distro |
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| 12:08.27 | EmleyMoor | Supermaniak: Yes |
| 12:08.31 | EmleyMoor | (installed; hold) |
| 12:08.39 | Oe_eden | hark: aah! thx |
| 12:08.41 | rgr | Anyone? What is the package I should be using for a modern Nvidia card which wont break when the kernel version changes? |
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| 12:09.22 | Supermaniak | alright thanks |
| 12:09.37 | Supermaniak | but now, if I run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 12:09.44 | Supermaniak | I still see the linux-image-xxx package |
| 12:09.45 | SlimeyPete | rgr: nvidia-glx, I think? |
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| 12:10.09 | EmleyMoor | Supermaniak: yes, but because your current one is held back, it will say so - and not upgrade |
| 12:10.12 | SlimeyPete | (not quite sure - I've just come back to Debian after a hiatus and the nvidia packages aren't available in Lenny) |
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| 12:10.44 | EmleyMoor | Actually I never use apt-get these days - always go through either aptitude or synaptic |
| 12:12.21 | EmleyMoor | If you do aptitude update; aptitude upgrade, does the same happen? |
| 12:12.37 | efaistos | is there a songbird pkg available somewhere ? |
| 12:12.48 | cusco | they handle dependencies diferently |
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| 12:13.03 | Supermaniak | how do you set all to be upgraded in aptitude ? |
| 12:13.09 | cusco | aptitude fixes better dependencies I gues.. it will install the recomended packages as well |
| 12:13.18 | cusco | aptitude upgrade |
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| 12:13.27 | EmleyMoor | Supermaniak: Shift-U if you are in the interface |
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| 12:13.44 | Supermaniak | =) |
| 12:13.49 | Supermaniak | sounds better with aptitude |
| 12:14.00 | Supermaniak | apt didn't said the package would be kept held |
| 12:14.01 | pablo | hi, the latest package of unrar-free doesnt work ok |
| 12:14.02 | Supermaniak | thanks mates |
| 12:14.03 | EmleyMoor | (then check - if something you wanted to hold has been selected, change it back to hold) |
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| 12:14.45 | Oe_eden | hark: ok but my $arch is still stored somewhere right; where does apt know this from |
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| 12:18.52 | ronr | what are the main differences between the different apache2-mpm packages (how do I decide which one I need / want)? |
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| 12:21.58 | Penix | ronr: read the descriptions |
| 12:22.22 | ronr | Penix: ok |
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| 12:23.41 | hark | Oe_eden: probably from dpkg, must be an external call somewhere in the code i guess |
| 12:25.31 | Oe_eden | hark: that is reason enough for me to use i386 because this sounds like some amd64 packages might be messed up because of this |
| 12:26.07 | Oe_eden | hark: i386 seems more mainstream and therefore more 'stable' |
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| 12:27.30 | pablo | hi, i read that the new installer added Clock synchronization using NTP, what program or script does it uses? |
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| 12:27.41 | Penix | Oe_eden: the amd64 port is completely official and stable |
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| 12:27.47 | hark | Oe_eden: no, i doubt there is any issue like that :) amd64 is very well supported |
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| 12:28.11 | hark | sometimes even better than i386 ;) |
| 12:28.18 | HSorgYves | how to exclude a dir when using 'find / -type f'? |
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| 12:28.44 | m0zzzy | hi |
| 12:29.16 | m0zzzy | what's the package used for logging user input on the consoles? |
| 12:29.18 | hark | Oe_eden: usually the only issues are with non-free software like flash, java plugin etc. |
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| 12:30.10 | Penix | Oe_eden: basically, if it's a server and you're not using any commercial or closed source software without 64bit, amd64 should be fine |
| 12:30.13 | Oe_eden | hark: ok I just need someone to convinve me :) |
| 12:30.19 | Penix | 64bit support rather |
| 12:30.44 | Sefyroth | Hi, newbie question here, but do I have to be logged in my debian box to SSH into it? |
| 12:30.51 | Penix | Sefyroth: no |
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| 12:31.09 | Penix | Sefyroth: that's the point of it |
| 12:31.19 | swingr | hello |
| 12:31.22 | Sefyroth | Yeah, I just got it to work. Was worried for a sec. |
| 12:31.25 | Sefyroth | Thanks Penix! |
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| 12:31.49 | Oe_eden | penix: yes butother than that amd64 binaries _can_ be faster i dont have other reasons to install amd64 |
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| 12:32.28 | Penix | Oe_eden: if you've got a lot of ram it's a good idea |
| 12:32.38 | Penix | Oe_eden: but, yeah, either way really |
| 12:32.45 | swingr | i try to install a new etch 4.0 R3. i wanna have raid1 with 2 SATA HDD and also encryption with dm-crypt. unfortunately there still seems to be a bug in the installer. is there any workaround to realize this kind of installation? |
| 12:32.57 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 12:34.18 | dury | how can I change the default page in iceweasel without open it? |
| 12:34.46 | Penix | dury: in the preferences dialog |
| 12:34.46 | tim__ | im using debian lenny on an arm device (nslu2) i recently upgraded the kernel and it broke the onboard ethernet, i can unplug the disk and modify it, but i can no longer ssh in |
| 12:34.52 | tim__ | anyone know how i can correct this problem? |
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| 12:35.10 | tim__ | is there a repository of old debian packages so i can put an old one back on? |
| 12:35.13 | Penix | tim__: you could extract the old kernel from an x86 box or something |
| 12:35.18 | Penix | tim__: snapshot.debian.net |
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| 12:35.32 | dury | Penix: I mean without open the programme |
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| 12:36.02 | rgr | Can anyone please tell me which nvidia package I should use for dual screen and compiz? I was compiling my own but they break with each kernel update. |
| 12:36.25 | Penix | rgr: the same one you'd use regardless of dual monitors and compiz |
| 12:36.47 | Penix | rgr: /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 12:36.50 | telemachus | tim__: http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 12:37.28 | dury | Penix: without open the application in this case iceweasel |
| 12:38.14 | rgr | ye gods. Is it still that ridiculously complicated? |
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| 12:38.34 | dury | Penix: by terminal |
| 12:39.40 | themill | dury: in your prefs.js: user_pref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://www.example.com/"); |
| 12:39.46 | hark | dury: edit prefs.js on your profile |
| 12:40.19 | rgr | can I compile a nvidia driver for a different kernel version? e.g I am now in 2.6.23 but lenny now has 2.6.24 in grub. Can I build the 2.6.24 one from within X in the 2.6.23 boot? |
| 12:40.47 | dury | is that by terminal |
| 12:40.53 | Oe_eden | other (maybe silly) question: theoretically you could upgrade one debian architecture to another? |
| 12:41.02 | hark | Oe_eden: no |
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| 12:41.27 | hark | Oe_eden: you'll have to reinstall |
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| 12:41.51 | telemachus | Oe_eden: all the libraries are arch dependent, hell all the packages are too, no? |
| 12:42.06 | maligor | not all packages |
| 12:42.15 | swingr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:42.20 | telemachus | maligor: fair enough, but many, yes? |
| 12:42.35 | hark | rgr: yes, man m-a |
| 12:42.42 | maligor | well, documentation, scripts |
| 12:43.15 | maligor | I'd say they amount to quite a mountain of packages, but you won't be able to make a running system out of them |
| 12:43.18 | Oe_eden | hark: (just wondering) well if you know where apt 'stores' the arch info and change it, leave the sources.list the same, and than apt-get (dist-) upgrade apt would get the 'new' arch packages |
| 12:43.21 | dury | themill: but what should I type in terminal |
| 12:43.23 | telemachus | laughs |
| 12:43.27 | rgr | Penix: the "one liner" where does this nvidia-kernel-xxx stuff come from? |
| 12:43.31 | telemachus | right, what I said |
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| 12:43.45 | telemachus | I'm now trying to imagine a system without binaries |
| 12:43.53 | telemachus | just man pages, etc. |
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| 12:43.57 | maligor | python processor |
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| 12:44.06 | indraveni | hi all |
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| 12:44.27 | indraveni | while opening an application known as keyjnote, i am getting an error message like |
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| 12:44.40 | indraveni | open /dev/sequencer : no such file or directory |
| 12:44.42 | Oe_eden | mmm nm I was just wondering |
| 12:44.56 | indraveni | what does this mean and is there any way to guess the solution |
| 12:45.09 | themill | dury: if the instructions "edit the file" don't give you enough of a clue about what to do, then perhaps you need to do some background reading. |
| 12:45.15 | themill | !tell dury about grounding |
| 12:46.06 | cahoot | indraveni: is snd_seq loaded according to lsmod? |
| 12:46.21 | indraveni | lemme check |
| 12:46.32 | dury | sorry there |
| 12:46.54 | indraveni | no cahoot |
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| 12:47.15 | dury | themill: sorry there |
| 12:47.20 | cahoot | indraveni: could try modprobe snd-seq-oss |
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| 12:48.48 | Osx86 | hi all |
| 12:48.48 | hark | Oe_eden: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 12:49.09 | indraveni | cahoot, thankyou the error message taht i was mentioning is no more |
| 12:49.21 | indraveni | cahoot, but my keyjnote is still not working |
| 12:49.28 | Osx86 | how can i see be able to see which driver is used for a usb device please? |
| 12:49.36 | rgr | hark: can one the boot to multiple kernel versions and expect the right nvidia drivers to load? Wow. This is so complicated. |
| 12:49.49 | indraveni | cahoot, may be some other reason is creating problem |
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| 12:51.24 | Osx86 | nobody knows? |
| 12:51.33 | cahoot | indraveni: I'm wondering why keyjnote bothers about sounddevices |
| 12:52.05 | indraveni | cahoot, its not bothering, i think its just a warning message seeing which i related both of them |
| 12:52.24 | indraveni | cahoot, even after resolving that, my keyjnote is not working |
| 12:52.28 | indraveni | so they are not related |
| 12:52.56 | indraveni | when i open a pdf file using keyjnote, it opens up and then shows some garbage images on the screen |
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| 12:53.58 | hark | rgr: that's the problem with non-free drivers... you can use the nv driver which avoids all this but it is 2d only. |
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| 12:56.13 | mar77i | hi. how - where are xmodmap symbols translated into the actual characters? |
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| 12:57.23 | EmleyMoor | Does a Logitech Trackman Wheel work OK in Debian, and if so, does it matter whether on USB or PS2? |
| 12:57.47 | maligor | never had issues with logitech mise |
| 12:57.52 | maligor | in either mode |
| 12:58.02 | maligor | I haven't used that specific one however |
| 12:58.38 | abchirk | !seen windows |
| 12:58.38 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'windows', abchirk |
| 12:58.45 | abchirk | !seen debian |
| 12:58.46 | dpkg | debian <n=debian@ti541210a340-1906.bb.online.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-ops, 20d 17h 25m 7s ago, saying: 'mentor: I cant be here?'. |
| 12:59.14 | EmleyMoor | I've actually got an MS Intellimouse Trackball right now that is getting a bit past it and I want something similar and optical. May well go for it :-) |
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| 13:08.13 | anakim | hi all, |
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| 13:08.40 | abchirk | hi anakim |
| 13:08.50 | anakim | while checking a .deb package I'm building with linda it tells me that libmyapp.so is not stripped, what does that mean? |
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| 13:09.18 | Oe_eden | man strip |
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| 13:11.43 | anakim | 0e_eden, ok, I've been there, I just wonder that my .so won't be usable after installation, so if you could elaborate... |
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| 13:15.23 | Oe_eden | yes it will |
| 13:15.41 | Oe_eden | it's just symbols that are stripped anyway when running a binary |
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| 13:17.16 | DustyDingo | any tips, where to look for documentation of paremters for a kernel modul? |
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| 13:17.35 | DustyDingo | (gspca, which seems to have no documentation at all) |
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| 13:17.55 | themill | DustyDingo: modinfo modulename will tell you what they are, to a limited extent. |
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| 13:32.37 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:32.38 | dpkg | <greg_work> if i want to do nfs stuff, whats the best thing to use? NFS, or is there something better? |
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| 13:33.01 | sep | if you want to do nfs stuff... i think nfs is a critical part yes |
| 13:33.17 | sep | abrotman, blæ |
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| 13:33.49 | ^shark1 | hi guys who can help me out on this >> http://pastebin.com/f1524e524. I am trying to resolve a bogus tld |
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| 13:34.16 | abrotman | sep: thanks? :) |
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| 13:34.35 | abrotman | ^shark1: try #bind or #dns |
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| 13:36.30 | sep | ^shark1,what abrotman said + read the logs of your nameserver, |
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| 13:37.31 | ^shark1 | ok |
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| 13:47.13 | vlt | Hello. What is the easiest way to fetch mail from an IMAP folder and store it in a maildir? fetchmail and maildrop? |
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| 13:49.40 | rt003 | I am having a problem with the package "util-linux". It requires a lower kernel version than I have.(2.6.18.3 vs 2.6.18-5). Is it safe to force this to install? |
| 13:50.14 | rt003 | My epgrades have wedged until this uns... |
| 13:50.19 | andy5635353_ | hi, i am trying to connect from a mac to a debian server, but the conection keeps hanging, i am using ssh, sftp and every way i do it it hangs |
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| 13:50.26 | abrotman | rt003: which kernel is yours? |
| 13:50.26 | andy5635353_ | any ideas? |
| 13:50.45 | abrotman | !depends util-linux etch |
| 13:50.49 | rt003 | 2.6.18-5 from the uname |
| 13:50.51 | dpkg | util-linux: pre-depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libslang2 (>= 2.0.6-3), libuuid1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
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| 13:51.04 | azeem | rt003: please put the whole error message on a pastebin |
| 13:51.05 | azeem | !paste |
| 13:51.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 13:53.21 | rt003 | Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.18.3) does not match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.18-5-686) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11. |
| 13:53.48 | abrotman | runs away |
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| 13:54.01 | azeem | eth01: which version of Debian? |
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| 13:54.33 | abrotman | misfire? |
| 13:54.34 | rt003 | The original Perl Config had 'amd64' as my arghitecture. I modded that to match what I reall have. But even that didn't help. |
| 13:54.41 | azeem | rt003: what |
| 13:54.51 | azeem | rt003: Perl config? |
| 13:54.59 | abrotman | why is perl in /usr/local/ ? |
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| 13:55.24 | azeem | rt003: it's a problem with your local perl installation, not with Debian |
| 13:56.53 | rt003 | this was a netwok based Etch install, ny 1st. since I have always used Knoppix in the past. All packages came through apt-get or the 'update icon' on the screen. Some of the perl iis installed there. |
| 13:57.21 | abrotman | not on debian it's not |
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| 13:57.40 | rt003 | The Config is /usr/lib/perl/5.8 .. which had the wrong hardware arch in it's database... |
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| 13:58.21 | azeem | rt003: what does "uname -m" say? |
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| 13:58.56 | tarzeau | jelly: so what? it works... |
| 13:58.58 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:58.59 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 13:59.05 | rt003 | uname -a = Linux bree 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:59.41 | azeem | rt003: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 13:59.45 | tnks | I had Aptitude set years ago to not install Recommended packages, but I /just/ noticed that it is anyway now. |
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| 14:00.02 | tnks | My suspicions are that apt-get is now installing recommended packages automatically. |
| 14:00.07 | abrotman | tnks: there's still an option for that |
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| 14:00.35 | tnks | abrotman: I double checked my .aptitude setup. It's got that checkbox disabled. |
| 14:00.42 | rt003 | dpkg -i .... = ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 14:00.42 | dpkg | package .... = ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries is already installed |
| 14:00.47 | abrotman | apt-get is not aptitude ? |
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| 14:01.15 | tnks | abrotman: oh, so I was right that apt-get is doing this for me now? |
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| 14:01.19 | ^shark1 | please have a look at this >> http://pastebin.com/f7d148522 very confusing. |
| 14:01.23 | abrotman | tnks: yes it is |
| 14:01.34 | tnks | abrotman: interesting. I wonder when that kicked in. |
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| 14:02.14 | abrotman | ^shark1: if the bind is running in a chroot(i can't remember if that's the default) .. it won't be able to find that |
| 14:02.47 | azeem | tnks: last autumn |
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| 14:03.07 | tnks | azeem: hmm... I wonder how much cruft I've installed since then. |
| 14:03.22 | azeem | s/cruft/recommended stuff/ |
| 14:03.34 | rt003 | azeem: This is a messup in Perl, it looks like. the Errno.pm is hradwired to a specific kernel version.... |
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| 14:03.59 | azeem | rt003: what does "ls -l /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm" say? |
| 14:04.06 | leonardo | hi i updated to new kernel and now i can't load wireless |
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| 14:04.12 | leonardo | can't load network |
| 14:04.21 | tnks | azeem: yeah, I guess that's where there's a difference between "recommended" and "suggested" |
| 14:04.36 | azeem | yes |
| 14:04.49 | rt003 | -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 7557 2007-10-05 14:12 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm |
| 14:05.05 | azeem | rt003: I stand by my analysis |
| 14:05.10 | azeem | 14:53 < azeem> rt003: it's a problem with your local perl installation, not with Debian |
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| 14:06.08 | rt003 | azeem: I agree.... now how to fix that.... |
| 14:06.23 | mic_p | Hi all. After a dpkg --set-selection < file, what I have to do for install the packages? I always forgot it... :) |
| 14:06.45 | abrotman | leonardo: which wireless ? |
| 14:06.50 | petemc | !selections |
| 14:06.50 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 14:07.04 | azeem | rt003: ask whoever installed that local perl version |
| 14:07.07 | azeem | not us |
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| 14:07.43 | leonardo | abrotman: ipw3945 |
| 14:07.51 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 14:07.52 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 14:08.12 | rt003 | azeem: That was me, through CPAN. ... |
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| 14:08.27 | azeem | rt003: so ask yourself |
| 14:08.30 | taime1 | why are my logout icons shrunken? look here: http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotga0.png |
| 14:08.43 | rt003 | azeem: I don't remember if the base Perl was apt-get.... |
| 14:09.06 | azeem | rt003: are you saying you installed a local version of Perl in /usr as well? |
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| 14:09.20 | azeem | taime1: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 14:09.21 | abrotman | taime1: ask #ubuntu |
| 14:09.23 | leonardo | abrotman: when debian is starting with kernel 2.6.22.4 say network not loaded, can't load driver |
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| 14:09.32 | abrotman | leonardo: uname -a |
| 14:09.44 | leonardo | abrotman: but with kernel 2.6.22.3 works ok |
| 14:09.49 | taime1 | oh please, if you hadnt seen my logo, you would have answered |
| 14:09.57 | azeem | taime1: nope |
| 14:10.11 | abrotman | didn't notice the logo |
| 14:10.13 | azeem | taime1: the Ubuntu logout dialog is non-standard |
| 14:10.15 | leonardo | abrotman: now i'm in kernel 2.6.22.3 that works |
| 14:10.26 | taime1 | hm.. well that stinks |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | leonardo: what does uname -a say ? |
| 14:10.39 | taime1 | you know, #ubuntu is just the blind leading the blind |
| 14:10.44 | rt003 | azeem: Nope... how would I tell if I installed any Perl through apt-get? |
| 14:10.49 | abrotman | taime1: then install another OS .. not our problem |
| 14:11.02 | azeem | taime1: well, sorry, maybe try #ubuntu+1 if you're using hardy |
| 14:11.06 | taime1 | abrotman: whats with the attitude? |
| 14:11.13 | leonardo | abrotman: Linux debian 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 09:22:35 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:11.21 | azeem | rt003: perl is in the base system, it's always installed |
| 14:11.22 | taime1 | i come here cuz you guys are more knowlegeable |
| 14:11.25 | abrotman | taime1: go to #ubuntu |
| 14:11.25 | leonardo | but the version that doesn't work is 2.6.22.4 |
| 14:11.36 | abrotman | leonardo: you mean 2.6.22-4 ? |
| 14:11.39 | taime1 | excuse the fuck outta me man' |
| 14:11.48 | leonardo | yes |
| 14:12.01 | ^shark1 | abrotman: please have a look at this >> http://pastebin.com/f356ed5cd |
| 14:12.01 | azeem | taime1: I'm sorry, but #debian has decided to not support Debian-derived distributinos |
| 14:12.06 | abrotman | leonardo: did you install the ipw3945-modules-2.6.22-4 ? or whatever? |
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| 14:12.12 | rt003 | azeem: Then everythin I installed came in through CPAN. And It puts it where it will.. |
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| 14:12.16 | taime1 | its cool, thanks anyways guyds |
| 14:12.17 | leonardo | no |
| 14:12.24 | abrotman | leonardo: is it available? |
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| 14:12.40 | azeem | rt003: well, sorry |
| 14:12.42 | tnks | abrotman: azeem: I looked in the apt-get(8) page, but I didn't see an option for disabling this at the apt-get level. |
| 14:12.48 | leonardo | i thought was not necessary as this is installed for 2.6.22-4 |
| 14:13.00 | abrotman | tnks: i think you want the apt.conf stuff |
| 14:13.02 | leonardo | abrotman: or i'm wrong? |
| 14:13.35 | abrotman | leonardo: the different -<number> on the end means a different ABI .. so you'd also need new ipw3945 modules |
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| 14:14.05 | leonardo | so i need cable network to install? |
| 14:14.18 | abrotman | or install them in your -3 version |
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| 14:14.33 | rt003 | azeem: /local/share/perl is full with CGI, CPAN, HTML, HTTP, IO, Net, Lwp, Uri ..... |
| 14:14.47 | azeem | rt003: well, that's your problem |
| 14:14.49 | hikenboot | greetings how do i use apt to update gpg keys? |
| 14:15.05 | leonardo | abrotman: how to install on my -3 version? |
| 14:15.12 | azeem | the recommended way to install CPAN stuff is 1. see whether there's a Debian package already 2. use dh-make-perl |
| 14:15.20 | abrotman | leonardo: apt-cache search ipw3945-modules .. how many do you get ? |
| 14:15.40 | rt003 | azeem: Yes it is, thats for the help.... bye |
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| 14:16.07 | azeem | rt003: I suggest you remove all of /usr/local/share/perl and start over |
| 14:16.08 | leonardo | abrotman: all is installed |
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| 14:17.24 | abrotman | leonardo: eh ? |
| 14:17.32 | leonardo | wait |
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| 14:18.45 | leonardo | abrotman: say this ipw3945-modules-2.6.22-3-amd64 - Intel Wireless 3945 modules for Linux 2.6.22 on AMD64 |
| 14:18.46 | xoz | hikenboot: see /topic |
| 14:18.52 | msan | azeem: what does dh-make-perl do ? |
| 14:19.06 | leonardo | abrotman> |
| 14:19.08 | leonardo | : |
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| 14:19.19 | leonardo | there's no new ipw3945 version |
| 14:19.41 | azeem | msan: /msg dpkg cpan |
| 14:19.48 | smarnach | \msg dpkg wtf yup |
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| 14:20.07 | azeem | smarnach: do you have a Debian question? |
| 14:20.37 | smarnach | azeem: no, sorry. |
| 14:21.00 | smarnach | just wnated to talk to dpkg |
| 14:21.16 | abrotman | leonardo: i guess you'll have to use -3- then .. |
| 14:21.18 | ^shark1 | anyone atleast read my query |
| 14:21.43 | leonardo | do you think a new version of ipw3945 will be released? |
| 14:21.53 | abrotman | leonardo: no idea |
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| 14:22.00 | leonardo | so only after it i can use -4 version of kernel? |
| 14:22.00 | abrotman | does the iwlwifi drive ipw3945? |
| 14:22.05 | themill | yes |
| 14:22.08 | cahoot | replaced by iwlwifi - not? |
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| 14:22.25 | themill | !tell leonardo about iwlwifi |
| 14:23.04 | leonardo | hi themill: Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 |
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| 14:23.11 | leonardo | i'm on 2.6.22 |
| 14:23.15 | leonardo | -4 |
| 14:23.16 | themill | leonardo: yes. read the howto |
| 14:23.50 | rt003 | azeem: I removed Errno.pm from u/l/s/perl. Then started cpan and re-installed it. |
| 14:24.14 | themill | leonardo: I know it works well by following the howto with 2.6.22 because I wrote that howto after installing iwlwifi on mrs themill's laptop. |
| 14:24.35 | azeem | rt003: why do you insist on having a local perl installation? |
| 14:24.38 | leonardo | ha ok |
| 14:24.45 | leonardo | but i'm not expert |
| 14:24.52 | rt003 | azeem: The new version now has the kernel version, that it looks for, exactly matches what i put into /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/Config.pm. |
| 14:24.56 | leonardo | the link of how to? |
| 14:25.10 | deconvolution | hello, I have 8 computers in my group. To perform a particular task on every machine, I have to use ssh login to every machine and do the work. Is there a better way that I can set a script which automatically perform a given script ? |
| 14:25.20 | azeem | rt003: what exactly did you change in /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/Config.pm ? |
| 14:25.20 | rt003 | azeem: u/l/s is where cpan install into.. |
| 14:25.25 | themill | leonardo: as per dpkg's last factoid to you: http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi |
| 14:25.29 | azeem | rt003: that doesn't answer the question |
| 14:25.35 | leonardo | thanks |
| 14:26.56 | abrotman | deconvolution: cron ? |
| 14:27.48 | deconvolution | abrotman, set cron from the client side to handle a script? |
| 14:27.59 | rt003 | the original 'osvers' = '2.6.22-3-amd64' ; and I am running on an Intel! |
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| 14:28.20 | azeem | rt003: why do you think this is important? |
| 14:28.25 | rt003 | azeem: so i changed it to match the uname value |
| 14:28.33 | azeem | rt003: millions of people have that osversion and run on intel |
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| 14:29.51 | xoz | deconvolution: use ssh-agent to manage your login and you can write a script to ssh <machine> <action> |
| 14:29.53 | sp | rt003: amd64 is just the name of the architecture |
| 14:30.02 | deconvolution | xoz, thanks! |
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| 14:30.39 | sp | rt003: and as AMD's x86-64 architecture is pretty much the same as Intel EM64T the version is correct for any x86-64 system |
| 14:30.48 | arvernus | hello! i just got the 2.6.24 kernel through apt-get upgrade (testing/lenny). now my wifi (ipw3945) doesn't work, anymore: # modprobe ipw3945 --> FATAL: Module ipw3945 not found. FATAL: Error running install command for ipw3945 - what can i do to make it work again? |
| 14:30.55 | azeem | rt003: the problem isn't with the Config.pm, the problem is that you have /two/ of them on your system |
| 14:31.11 | azeem | sp: it's an i386 system |
| 14:31.28 | azeem | it just means the person who compiled perl for Debian etch did so running a 64bit kernel |
| 14:31.59 | sp | oh, I didn't notice that you were talking about perl, thought you were talking about the actual uname |
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| 14:33.47 | rt003 | azeem: checkout http://pastebin.com/d22b75ce5 line 15&16 and 2 more places below that |
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| 14:34.25 | azeem | rt003: eh, it's the same old error |
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| 14:36.09 | stew | deconvolution: have a look at dssh or clusterssh |
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| 14:36.57 | rt003 | The value from the Config.pm is pasted into the Errno test during install. My new Errno.pm has a test that matches what i PUT INTO cONFIG.PM... |
| 14:37.02 | CastingCrowns | hi, what is the kernel source pakages called in synaptic pakage manager? |
| 14:37.17 | azeem | rt003: did you read what I said above? |
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| 14:37.24 | stew | CastingCrowns: linux-source-$version |
| 14:37.27 | azeem | 15:29 < azeem> rt003: the problem isn't with the Config.pm, the problem is that you have /two/ of them on your system |
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| 14:37.36 | CastingCrowns | stew: Thanks |
| 14:37.47 | CastingCrowns | stew: What are the pakages that say Headers for? |
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| 14:39.17 | infinity0 | i've just installed linux 2.24 and am trying to build the nvidia module for it |
| 14:39.20 | infinity0 | and that fails |
| 14:39.34 | infinity0 | and i see that the nvidia-kernel-source package has been dropped from lenny |
| 14:39.52 | azeem | 2.24? |
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| 14:39.54 | infinity0 | however, there is a sid version which doesn't have any sid dependencies (the dependencies can be fulfilled by lenny packages) |
| 14:39.59 | stew | CastingCrowns: for compling 3rd party kernel modules for a kernel |
| 14:40.00 | infinity0 | 2.6.24 sorry |
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| 14:40.11 | stew | CastingCrowns: like if, say, you wanted to compile a nvidia module |
| 14:40.28 | infinity0 | is it OK if i install the nvidia-kernel-source for sid, and build the kernel module from that, would that work? |
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| 14:40.40 | stew | CastingCrowns: (or a vmware module). but you didn't want to compile an entire kernel |
| 14:41.03 | CastingCrowns | stew: this is what I am trying to do, lol |
| 14:41.24 | stew | CastingCrowns: what are you trying to compile? |
| 14:41.31 | CastingCrowns | stew: I cant intall my nvidia drivers for kernel 2.6.22 and I noticed I dont have source code for .6.22 |
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| 14:42.06 | chop1 | CastingCrowns: You want to install the linux-headers package that corresponds to your kernel version, not the source |
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| 14:42.40 | rt003 | azeem: Actually 11. But only one that is not undera Module name. it is /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/Config.pm |
| 14:42.49 | summatusmentis | are there packages for e17 in the repos? |
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| 14:43.10 | infinity0 | argh crash |
| 14:43.19 | infinity0 | did anyone answer my question? |
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| 14:43.36 | hark | infinity0: yes |
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| 14:43.51 | infinity0 | and what was the answer? |
| 14:44.00 | hark | yes |
| 14:44.04 | azeem | rt003: there's no /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Config.pm ? |
| 14:44.12 | infinity0 | yes i can install the kernel source for sid and have it still work in lenny?# |
| 14:44.20 | rt003 | azeem: Nope |
| 14:44.37 | CastingCrowns | chops: thaks, Ill give that a go |
| 14:44.51 | azeem | rt003: anyway, the problem is with having two Errno.pm, rather |
| 14:45.26 | henke37 | I have a minor issue, the network connectivity icon in the tray claims that I am not connected, but as Iam here, that's obviously not the case |
| 14:45.35 | hark | infinity0: if you installed the drivers the debian way the first time, you should still have the source package installed. you can just as well use that |
| 14:45.49 | henke37 | I googled, but I could not find a solution of the issue |
| 14:45.59 | infinity0 | hark: the source package i'm using is the lenny one, which has since been removed from the debian official repositories |
| 14:46.03 | henke37 | only someone who seems to have the same issue |
| 14:46.12 | infinity0 | hark: if i m-a a-i with that version, it fails in the new kernel |
| 14:46.35 | rt003 | Azeem: I think the test "$Config{'archname'}-$Config{'osvers'}" eq .... anything is wrong (not appropriate). |
| 14:46.46 | hark | infinity0: what's the error? |
| 14:47.17 | rt003 | azeem: That test if the build system is adentical to the run systm. Correct? |
| 14:47.39 | henke37 | how do I get rid of the bugged icon? |
| 14:47.54 | azeem | rt003: look, you still haven't answered my question |
| 14:47.58 | chops | infinity0: You can find old versions of testing/sid packages at snapshots |
| 14:48.05 | azeem | 15:23 < azeem> rt003: why do you insist on having a local perl installation? |
| 14:48.07 | infinity0 | hark: er, i dunno, i'll have to reboot into the new kernel and try again to confirm, but it was something to do with "too many arguments" and "shouldn't be void" |
| 14:48.18 | infinity0 | chops: link please? |
| 14:48.23 | chops | !snapshots |
| 14:48.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, snapshots is Archive which contains all debian packages, including already removed from debian official archives because of very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or some other reasons. Please visit http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:48.42 | infinity0 | oh, thanks |
| 14:48.54 | chops | infinity0: np |
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| 14:52.02 | rt003 | azeem: I don't see where I have a choice. I am not dointh the compile or make. But thing seem to be better now. util-linux installed.... thanks |
| 14:52.17 | azeem | wtf |
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| 14:53.15 | hark | infinity0: because if you use sid's nvidia kernel source package, you'll have to backport nvidia-glx as well |
| 14:54.00 | infinity0 | hark: ahh that's not possible then, backporting nvidia-glx requires backporting xserver-xorg-core too and that's not possible without basically turning my entire system to sid |
| 14:54.42 | hark | infinity0: you can edit that dependency in the control file, that's fine |
| 14:55.28 | infinity0 | hark: er... care to give me more details? |
| 14:55.38 | infinity0 | aren't the dependancies there for a reason? |
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| 14:57.48 | Florentino | I'm very new to Linux and I just Install Debian Etch. Is there a list of applications that will facilitate the transition from XP into Debian Etch. |
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| 14:58.24 | amphi | Florentino: what are you looking for? |
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| 14:59.10 | hark | infinity0: it worked for me earlier, but i use the legacy drivers |
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| 14:59.56 | Florentino | just a set of application that I will find on XP, i.e Openoffice. |
| 15:00.06 | infinity0 | hark: so which ones do i change? the xserver-xorg-core dependency in nvidia-glx etc. ? or the rest-of-the-system dependencies in xserver-xorg-core? |
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| 15:00.33 | hark | infinity0: in nvidia-glx |
| 15:00.44 | cahoot | Florentino: it's not a matter of transition - more like rebirth |
| 15:00.48 | amphi | I have no idea what there is on xp; if there is some functionality you are looking for, I may be able to suggest something |
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| 15:01.03 | infinity0 | hark: right, kk |
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| 15:01.56 | Florentino | that's what I have hear from a few people (I need to start thinking like a Linux user). |
| 15:02.32 | Florentino | I'm just a regular PC user. Not a programmer or developer. Just want to learn something new i guess. |
| 15:03.07 | Osx86 | please can someone tell me how to create an image with dd without writing all the bits |
| 15:03.22 | Osx86 | i wan't to create a big file without spending so much time |
| 15:03.25 | Osx86 | thanks |
| 15:04.03 | cahoot | Florentino: expecting a linux system to more or less work as a windows system only leads to frustration |
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| 15:05.32 | grub | rhythmbox doesn't play mp3s? |
| 15:05.52 | grub | oh it doesn, nvm |
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| 15:06.48 | stew | Osx86: perhaps a sparse file? |
| 15:07.03 | hark | Florentino: you can use tasksel to select say the desktop environment task, which installs among other things openoffics as well |
| 15:07.34 | Osx86 | stew: sorry! how? |
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| 15:08.51 | Florentino | OK. I will look into it. Thanks. |
| 15:08.53 | stew | Osx86: with seek |
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| 15:10.25 | abrotman | Florentino: you want applications on XP that you can also get on Debian ? |
| 15:10.38 | summatusmentis | vmware tools is looking for my kernel headers, which should I direct it to? (usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-amd64 or usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-common)? |
| 15:10.47 | Florentino | IS there away to avoid having to install one application at a time? Like for example, I know I was to install KDE, openoffice, some multimedia application and so on. |
| 15:10.53 | Florentino | Not exactly |
| 15:11.19 | Florentino | just application that are normal for a regular PC user |
| 15:11.26 | abrotman | Florentino: you can mark them all to install .. then just install or `aptitude install kde xorg openoffice` |
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| 15:11.52 | Florentino | oh ok! Thanks abrotman. |
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| 15:12.41 | Florentino | I'm going to try to install KDE. I will let you know how it goes. |
| 15:13.03 | peter420 | i want to take a backup of my home directory which is around 7GB. how do i do it? |
| 15:13.10 | Osx86 | stew: sorry but it do not work with the seek option, i've tried it |
| 15:13.16 | Osx86 | thanks anyway stew |
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| 15:13.48 | stew | Osx86: be more specific? in what way didn't it work? |
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| 15:13.56 | peter420 | i tried it making using mkisofs, but i need to make multiple dvds, can anyone help me. i dont want a single iso but multiple isos |
| 15:14.32 | Osx86 | stew: the file start creating does not stop a first sector if i tried to add seek=1 option |
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| 15:14.55 | stew | Osx86: what was the exact command you used? |
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| 15:15.03 | Osx86 | s/creating does/creating and does/ |
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| 15:15.13 | stew | Osx86: 1 is not a very large value for seek |
| 15:15.33 | Osx86 | dd if=/dev/zero of=/test.img bs=512 count=6000000 seek=1 |
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| 15:16.05 | stew | Osx86: so instead of writing 6000000 bytes to disk, it should have written 599999 |
| 15:16.11 | stew | err blocks |
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| 15:16.40 | Osx86 | lol |
| 15:16.47 | Osx86 | so i need to do the contrary |
| 15:16.51 | Osx86 | right? |
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| 15:24.26 | stew | Osx86: i'm guessing you want just "dd of=/test.img seek=6000000" |
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| 15:24.49 | stew | Osx86: err i'm guessing you want just "dd of=/test.img count=0 seek=6000000" |
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| 15:25.05 | Osx86 | stew: i'll try |
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| 15:36.34 | Osx86 | stew: thanks. you were right. |
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| 15:42.51 | infinity0 | hark: holy fucking shit it worked dude, cheers ^_^ |
| 15:44.08 | erik__ | I try to gunzip a backup.tar.gz file and get an error message "invallid compressed data -- format violated". any way to rescue ? |
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| 15:45.52 | aoupi | hi, does the netinstall disc contain ssh? |
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| 15:46.45 | aoupi | I need to install debian on a computer far away |
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| 15:48.17 | themill | !cd contents |
| 15:48.17 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
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| 15:50.19 | aoupi | soo I guess I can just tell them to run /etc/init.d/sshd start then |
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| 15:53.14 | aoupi | what's the command I'll have to run to bring up the installer? |
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| 15:53.39 | abrotman | aoupi: which installer? |
| 15:53.54 | Fubarovic | i'm trying to get the lirc-modules compiled on etch with my 2.6.22 kernel, but it needs several workarounds. i need modules-assistant to look for headers in /usr/src/linux-source-... rather than only in /usr/src/linux-headers-..., how do i include the linux-source dir ? |
| 15:54.08 | Fubarovic | https://www.begaaid.be/lirc.log for more info |
| 15:54.10 | aoupi | abrotman: the one that usualy starts once you pop in the netinstall disc, where you select language etc |
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| 15:55.13 | amphi | 'Ohio National Guard Deploys To Kuwait, Iraq' |
| 15:55.16 | amphi | opps |
| 15:55.34 | itchi | aoupi: Checkout http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 15:55.46 | azeem | aoupi: it doesn't start by itself? |
| 15:56.05 | aoupi | itchi: oh interesting |
| 15:56.09 | stew | aoupi: what do you mean? have you already installed debian and you want run the installer again? |
| 15:56.19 | stew | aoupi: or are you having trouble booting from the CD into the isntaller? |
| 15:56.19 | aoupi | azeem: it does, but I'll need to ssh into the machine and then run it |
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| 15:56.26 | itchi | aoupi: You are the prompt where you could press F1, F2 ... ? Checkout that page for some remote installs |
| 15:56.30 | itchi | at* |
| 15:57.25 | stew | aoupi: so you are wanting to do a fresh install onto a remote machine via ssh? |
| 15:57.33 | aoupi | stew: exactly |
| 15:57.56 | stew | aoupi: the information here is sparse, but this is what you have to do: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
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| 15:58.28 | aoupi | stew: ok, thanks |
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| 16:00.37 | chops | Fubarovic: Looks like that lirc-modules simply doesn't compile against those Linux headers |
| 16:00.41 | Florentino | I got KDE install and configured to look the way I want it to. Thank you for your help! |
| 16:00.51 | chops | Fubarovic: Are you using lirc-modules from testing/sid, then? |
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| 16:01.53 | Fubarovic | chops, hold on, i think i found it |
| 16:02.00 | Fubarovic | there are a few "fixes" floating around |
| 16:03.32 | Fubarovic | hm, ok |
| 16:03.51 | Fubarovic | i thought i could fix it with this command: m-a a-i -k linux-headers-2.6.22-4-amd64,linux-source-2.6.22 lirc |
| 16:03.58 | Fubarovic | but my linux-source dir seems to be unconfigured |
| 16:04.02 | Fubarovic | so it's unusable |
| 16:04.06 | chops | Fubarovic: You do not need linux-source (or should not) |
| 16:04.15 | chops | Fubarovic: Why is linux-headers not working? |
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| 16:04.57 | chops | Fubarovic: (I mean, I could be wrong... I'm not familiar with lirc-modules, but no other module I'm aware of actually needs source to compile) |
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| 16:05.33 | Fubarovic | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471301 it's a bug, chops |
| 16:05.41 | Fubarovic | they do need the actual linux-source |
| 16:06.51 | chops | Fubarovic: Er |
| 16:07.49 | chops | Fubarovic: "Private kernel headers [not?] to be exported to userspace" is exactly what's in linux-headers-foo... |
| 16:08.37 | Fubarovic | i don't get it, but then again i'm not used to this sort of thing |
| 16:08.42 | Fubarovic | what do you recommend ? |
| 16:08.50 | chops | Fubarovic: I see a lot of confusion in these two bug reports (I'm assuming that it's on the part of the relevant developers and not on my part)... |
| 16:10.16 | chops | Fubarovic: This is a bad situation. IMHO the Debian linux-headers packages should include bttv.h even if it's "private" from upstream's perspective, if other Debian packages are going to build against it. Any other solution is a bollocks. |
| 16:10.36 | Fubarovic | you're probably right |
| 16:10.50 | Fubarovic | but that still leaves me with uncompiled lirc-modules |
| 16:10.56 | Fubarovic | which makes me a sad panda :'( |
| 16:10.59 | chops | Fubarovic: Indeed |
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| 16:11.58 | chops | Fubarovic: You could build a local kernel package which is patched to include the headers you need in linux-headers, and send that patch along to bug #436166 with a recommendation that that bug be reassigned to the kernel |
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| 16:12.15 | Fubarovic | so, what to try next |
| 16:12.27 | chops | Fubarovic: The way they're currently "solv"ing this problem is garbage |
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| 16:12.37 | abhi | when will debian 5.0 will be released? |
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| 16:13.16 | stew | abhi: when there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 16:13.33 | abhi | ok.how to install java for iceweasel? |
| 16:13.41 | beardy | Noone knows. The jumps in whole version numbers is not always the case either.. |
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| 16:13.46 | EmleyMoor | abhi: And also, when they decide to call it Debian 5 |
| 16:13.50 | WormFood | good evening everyone....does anyone have a suggestion as to which x11 input I should install to type chinese characters for a non-chinese user? There are too many choices and I don't know which one is best (BTW I use sid) |
| 16:13.53 | EmleyMoor | abhi: Hold on a moment |
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| 16:14.01 | abhi | its their choice. |
| 16:14.08 | Fubarovic | chops, i don't really care, i just want my VFD to display stuf |
| 16:14.08 | stew | abhi: are you looking to install a free java implementation or the non-free implementation from sun? |
| 16:14.09 | Fubarovic | f |
| 16:14.16 | abhi | sun version |
| 16:14.41 | stew | abhi: "aptitude install sun-java5-plugin" or "sun-java6-plugin" which is in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 16:14.50 | abhi | I tried many technique from google but all of them broke icewease. |
| 16:15.01 | abhi | stew. ok |
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| 16:17.03 | Fubarovic | lol, the .deb just built, chops |
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| 16:17.09 | Fubarovic | you won't like my solution tho |
| 16:17.20 | Fubarovic | i copied the missing files from the source-tree into the headers-tree |
| 16:17.21 | Fubarovic | >-) |
| 16:17.22 | chops | Fubarovic: That's okay :-) |
| 16:17.22 | abhi | stew: when tried this :aptitude install sun-java5-plugin. it shows 78 packages will be removed. |
| 16:17.27 | chops | Fubarovic: Yeah, that seems fine |
| 16:17.39 | chops | Fubarovic: I mean, regardless of how you solve it on your system, the more important issue is that it get fixed in Debian |
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| 16:18.03 | chops | Fubarovic: From my point of view... not necessarily from yours :-) |
| 16:18.24 | EmleyMoor | abhi: Are there any of those 78 packages you need? |
| 16:18.28 | Fubarovic | true |
| 16:18.38 | abhi | let me see |
| 16:18.54 | stew | abhi: they are probably marked for auto-removal. if there are some in that list that you don't want rmoved, add them to the end of the command, so "aptitude install sun-java5-plugin package1 package2". or use the aptitude frontend. or use apt-get |
| 16:19.25 | stew | abhi: aptitude is probably trying to remove packages which it thinks you only have installed to satisfy dependencies of pakcages which are no longer installed, so it thinks you no longer need them |
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| 16:19.31 | abhi | EmleyMoor, : yes I want them all |
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| 16:19.39 | abhi | stew: let me try this. |
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| 16:20.16 | fjfalcon | hello all, i need to delite de and x-server. Is there any options to delete it for one command? like aptitude remove x-server* ? |
| 16:20.35 | stew | !remove x |
| 16:20.35 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 16:20.50 | Fubarovic | hm, it still doesn't do what i want (compile lirc_imon) but i'll look into that later |
| 16:20.50 | stew | fjfalcon: "aptitude remove x11-common" is probably what you are looking for |
| 16:20.54 | Fubarovic | thanks for the help, chops |
| 16:21.05 | abhi | stew: apt-get worked |
| 16:21.15 | fjfalcon | stew: thank you |
| 16:21.15 | chops | Fubarovic: np |
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| 16:22.02 | Lord_Nudel | hi |
| 16:22.06 | stew | dpkg: no remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. use "purge" instead of remove if you want it to also remove X's configuration. |
| 16:22.06 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 16:23.06 | WormFood | does anyone have a suggestion as to which x11 input I should install to type chinese characters for a non-chinese user? There are too many choices and I don't know which one is best (BTW I use sid) |
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| 16:24.13 | DANNX | hi all, good afternoon |
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| 16:24.32 | Lord_Nudel | hi |
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| 16:24.58 | mbroeker | du olle nudel, jetzt krieg ich schmacht. :) |
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| 16:25.52 | stew | !de |
| 16:25.52 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 16:26.43 | adama | killall: command not found |
| 16:26.49 | adama | what package is that in? |
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| 16:27.01 | azeem | adama: /msg dpkg search |
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| 16:30.47 | byte_slave | when i do lspci i can see that that my 2 network cards appear but i've have only one configured (eth0) how can i add the other one? |
| 16:30.58 | chops | !tell byte_slave about interfaces |
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| 16:32.10 | stew | byte_slave: does the other show up when you run "ifconfig -a" ? |
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| 16:33.33 | yassine | hi everyone |
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| 16:35.44 | WormFood | sighs |
| 16:35.57 | WormFood | nobody can suggest an x11 chinese input package to install? |
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| 16:36.36 | byte_slave | stew, i completely forgot the -a switch in ifconfig, and with that now i can see that there is an eth1 which is the one i want now. Before this, i used only ifconfig and only the configured one appeared, and i wasn't seeing how to get the other, but now i see, and i think is just adding it to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:36.57 | abrotman | !cn |
| 16:36.58 | dpkg | methinks cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 16:37.21 | WormFood | I don't speak chinese, I just want a chinese input method for x11 |
| 16:37.34 | byte_slave | stew, thanks! |
| 16:37.37 | abrotman | who better to ask than chinese people ? |
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| 16:37.49 | WormFood | there are chinese people here too ;) |
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| 16:37.55 | WormFood | thanks for the tip, I'll give it a shot |
| 16:38.04 | simonrvn | WormFood: scim? |
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| 16:38.37 | WormFood | I know nothing about other input methods, but I see that...thanks simonrvn |
| 16:39.31 | WormFood | great...I can ask myself in #debian-zh....because I'M THE ONLY ONE THERE! :P |
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| 16:39.36 | Strogg | Is there a mirror for the netinst images? cdimage.debian.org seems to be down and there's no mirrors listed on the page. |
| 16:39.38 | Renfield | Hello. |
| 16:39.52 | Renfield | What is NETCACHE, and how do I kill it? |
| 16:40.11 | Renfield | I would like to be able to access apache on localhost port 80, but this NETCACHE thing keeps getting in the way. |
| 16:41.02 | WormFood | "killall NETCACHE"? |
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| 16:41.07 | abrotman | WormFood: then ask google ? |
| 16:41.17 | maligor | you mean proxies? |
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| 16:41.34 | WormFood | thanks abrotman...what is google? :P |
| 16:41.37 | erik__ | is there a tool to repair my file backup.tar.gz ? it won't gunzip...format error |
| 16:41.44 | Renfield | WormFood Nope, there is no process called NETCACHE. |
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| 16:42.00 | maligor | proxy settings for localhost should be typically disabled anyway |
| 16:42.27 | WormFood | Renfield, "netstat -nlp|grep 80", look for what is on port 80, and kill that pid |
| 16:42.32 | stew | Renfield: where do you see "NETCACHE". how is it getting in the way? |
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| 16:43.35 | stew | Strogg: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 16:44.03 | Strogg | stew: Thanks |
| 16:44.07 | stew | Strogg: some (but maybe not all) of the mirros should have the cds |
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| 16:49.30 | CastingCrowns | Can someone help me get the newer kernel installed? version 2.6.22.3? I cant seem to get headers installed for it |
| 16:49.44 | Spec | what's a good general-purpose disk i/o benchmark that I can just point to a mount-point and have it torture it/report on performance? |
| 16:49.46 | gonzaloaf | hi, why do I have a high cpu usage by xorg? from 4% to 45% |
| 16:50.21 | abrotman | CastingCrowns: where did you get that kernel? which veresion of debian are you using ? |
| 16:50.33 | abrotman | Spec: bonnie or uhm .. lmbench ? |
| 16:51.01 | Spec | yeah, i was using lmbench but it takes a long time and does more than just disk-checks |
| 16:51.13 | abrotman | !info bonnie++ etch |
| 16:51.16 | dpkg | bonnie++: (Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite.), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.03a+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 16:51.28 | abrotman | not sure if that's useful or not |
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| 16:51.35 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: I got it from the synaptic pakage manager |
| 16:51.43 | abrotman | and which version of debian ? |
| 16:51.49 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: how do I find the dbian version? |
| 16:51.52 | abrotman | !version |
| 16:51.52 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 16:52.08 | abrotman | steps away |
| 16:52.38 | byte_slave | does anyone already experienced network interfaces stop responding and also a kernel panic at same time, telling "not sincyng: fatal exception in interrup" but only when i try to use more from it, i mean it happens with 2 differents brand NICs and when i make for example a backup with smbclient |
| 16:52.43 | CastingCrowns | abrotman: cat /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid |
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| 16:53.09 | Strogg | Hrmm.. I've finding the files I would need to make an image, but no iso files.. hrmm |
| 16:53.20 | yassine | anyone here using twiki's debian package here? |
| 16:53.23 | maligor | byte_slave, could be a bug in the motherboard, tried other pci slots? |
| 16:53.35 | stew | yassine: just assume someone is and ask your real question |
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| 16:53.42 | stew | CastingCrowns: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:53.54 | noll | can anybody tell me if there exists a firewall that will allow me to disable certain applications from reaching the internet? like block all browsers except iceweasel? |
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| 16:54.04 | byte_slave | maligor, one NIC is pci other is onboard |
| 16:54.17 | CastingCrowns | stew: atm it says 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 16:54.17 | yassine | im trying to install an addOn for twiki and wonders where is the "twiki installation directory" under debian |
| 16:54.36 | byte_slave | maligor, it has happened with debian and ubuntu server |
| 16:54.38 | stew | CastingCrowns: and so you are trying to get a newer version of the kernel? or headers for some other version? or what |
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| 16:55.24 | \amethyst | yassine: the output of apt-file list twiki seems to imply it's /var/lib/twiki |
| 16:55.51 | byte_slave | maligor, it happens with a 100Mbps connection or 1Gbps connection, which makes thinking is not a bandwith issue |
| 16:55.51 | yassine | \amethyst: thanks ill try that |
| 16:55.52 | maligor | byte_slave, I'd say it's a motherboard bug of some type anyway, tried searching your model and issues on google? |
| 16:56.43 | CastingCrowns | stew: haha I wish I really new. I am trying to go to a newer kernel, but when I boot to 2.6.22 I have no headers or sources installed and so I cant get online because I am stuck using ndiswrapper, so I am trying to get the sources and or headers ( I dont know what I need) so I can get my ndiswrapper installed. |
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| 16:57.16 | byte_slave | maligor, fyi if i jus t use http requests, downloads, ssh connections it behaves good. I will see if mb webite has some bioss update or something. |
| 16:57.24 | CastingCrowns | stew: ndiswrapper installed from source, because no internet |
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| 16:57.48 | noll | Im also having problems trying to get madwifi or ndiswrapper to work. seems like Im missing stuff, but Im sure Ive got kernel headers |
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| 16:58.01 | maligor | byte_slave, I'm not too familiar with the world of kernel pci configuration, but it's possible that would be workable around with a setting too |
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| 16:58.06 | noll | /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build is missing, please set KERNELPATH. |
| 16:58.10 | SerajewelKS | oh for fuck's sake |
| 16:58.25 | SerajewelKS | they removed the gnome-terminal option to disable cursor blinking? |
| 16:58.40 | \amethyst | noll: you need the linux-headers-2.6.18-6.686 package |
| 16:58.47 | \amethyst | noll: in order to build modules |
| 16:59.19 | SerajewelKS | way to unnecessarily piss people off, gnome |
| 16:59.37 | vvd | SerajewelKS: its in keyboard setup |
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| 16:59.41 | maligor | byte_slave, you could also check your ram with memtest86, bad ram can cause some strange effects |
| 17:00.05 | SerajewelKS | vvd: i want it to blink in text boxes -- i do not want it to blink in the terminal |
| 17:00.11 | CastingCrowns | stew: When I try and install the linux-headers for the 2.6.22 kernel, I get a message: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.22 but it is not installable |
| 17:00.15 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: ugh, and you can't even set it via gconf, either |
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| 17:00.24 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: the key doesn't do anything anymore |
| 17:00.30 | SerajewelKS | god dammit |
| 17:00.50 | SerajewelKS | (1) rollback the package (2) patch it |
| 17:01.00 | SerajewelKS | (3) use something else... |
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| 17:01.06 | byte_slave | maligor, i'm remembering that application name memtest86 from the famous and great swiss army knife calledHirens boot cd, thanks for your advice |
| 17:01.11 | vvd | (4) let it blinl |
| 17:01.14 | vvd | k |
| 17:02.05 | noll | \amethyst: Ive got linux-kernel-headers version 2.6.18-7 |
| 17:02.16 | SerajewelKS | vvd: every time it blinks i lose my concentration |
| 17:02.24 | SerajewelKS | vvd: i'm not even kidding -- i can't stand it |
| 17:02.32 | stew | CastingCrowns: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:02.35 | vvd | SerajewelKS: (5) disable it globally :) |
| 17:02.43 | CastingCrowns | stew: lenny |
| 17:02.46 | SerajewelKS | if it didn't severely fuck up my brain i wouldn't be as pissed about it :) |
| 17:03.06 | stew | CastingCrowns: yeah, 2.6.22 was removed from lenny and replaced by 2.6.24 |
| 17:03.17 | \amethyst | noll: that's the the right version for your kernel |
| 17:03.19 | noll | \amethyst: sorry, seems like I got the wrong one |
| 17:03.34 | noll | I need 2.6.18-6 like you said |
| 17:03.40 | CastingCrowns | stew: Oh, I dont see .24 in the listing |
| 17:03.40 | \amethyst | noll: oh, linux-kernel-headers is different |
| 17:03.42 | stew | SerajewelKS: i had to work on a redhat box today where broken links were blinking red, which had a similar effect |
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| 17:03.49 | stew | CastingCrowns: then you need to update |
| 17:03.52 | CastingCrowns | stew: Perhaps I have the wrong sourcees? |
| 17:04.10 | SerajewelKS | every time it blinks it's like someone is sticking a needle into my eye |
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| 17:04.16 | \amethyst | noll: linux-headers-$(uname -r) (2.6.18-6-686 in your case) is the one you need for building modules |
| 17:04.23 | stew | CastingCrowns: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:04.29 | \amethyst | noll: linux-kernel-headers is for user-space programs |
| 17:05.33 | SerajewelKS | i'm about to apt-get source gnome-terminal and patch the fucker myself |
| 17:05.54 | noll | \amethyst: so, I ll need the package linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 from synaptic? |
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| 17:06.08 | noll | \amethyst: sorry for being dense, Im new to debian |
| 17:06.59 | \amethyst | noll: yes, that's right |
| 17:07.12 | adama | how can I tell if my sound cars is installed properly? I don't think it is because there's no /dev/dsp or /dev/audio devices |
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| 17:07.16 | noll | \amethyst: do I need kernel-source too ? |
| 17:07.22 | adama | s/cars/card/ |
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| 17:08.21 | CastingCrowns | stew: Whats the command to have irc spit out the list of pastebins? |
| 17:08.31 | \amethyst | noll: not unless you want to recompile the kernel---the headers package contains all you need for building modules |
| 17:08.48 | stew | CastingCrowns: http://paste.debian.net |
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| 17:09.25 | stew | noll: you don't need to install anything manually, just use 'm-a prepare' (/msg dpkg madwifi-install) |
| 17:09.31 | Lord_Nudel | hi |
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| 17:09.48 | CastingCrowns | stew: Here is the url: http://paste.debian.net/52033 |
| 17:09.49 | Lord_Nudel | Wer will an meiner geiler langer harter Nudel lecken? |
| 17:09.53 | Lord_Nudel | Wer will an meiner geiler langer harter feuchter weisser Nudel lecken? |
| 17:10.31 | noll | thx stew |
| 17:10.49 | noll | is there something simliar for ndiswrapper too? |
| 17:11.20 | stew | noll: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 17:11.27 | stew | !de |
| 17:11.27 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 17:11.58 | stew | CastingCrowns: your sources are correct. though you really should point to a mirror instead of ftp.debian.org, which country are you in? |
| 17:12.17 | noll | stew: be glad you dont know what Lord Nudel said |
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| 17:13.02 | CastingCrowns | stew: U.S. |
| 17:13.14 | stew | CastingCrowns: use http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian then |
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| 17:13.24 | ben_goodger_ | evening, various humanoids |
| 17:13.28 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: you want my patch after i test it? |
| 17:13.31 | CastingCrowns | stew: for all of them right? |
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| 17:13.39 | stew | CastingCrowns: not for security.debian.org |
| 17:13.45 | CastingCrowns | stew: ok |
| 17:13.57 | stew | CastingCrowns: but anyway, this is not the source of your problem. it sounds like you just need to "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" |
| 17:13.57 | jerome | hi there, i'm having some troubles trying to get a DVD device working . It is handled by cdrom+ide_cd : hdb, but complains with Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) The failed "Read 10" packet command was: |
| 17:14.07 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: sure, my email address is in my ircname |
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| 17:14.15 | jerome | any idea how to get this thing working ? |
| 17:14.35 | CastingCrowns | stew: so, to get the 2.6.24 kernel, what do I need to select for install so I will be able to have the new kernel and also be able to get my video installed as well as ndiswrapper? |
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| 17:14.54 | rgri1 | Question: Let's say package A says that it conflicts with package B, but B does not say it conflicts with A. Should dpkg/apt-get say that's an error? Or should it just follow (Policy, Chapter 7) ad literam and allow one to install B after A but not the other way around? |
| 17:14.56 | jerome | I installed debian with this device, so I guess it's functionnal but misconfigured/handled |
| 17:15.18 | CastingCrowns | stew: Whats aptitude update? I did apt-get update lastnight. took forever |
| 17:15.27 | stew | CastingCrowns: aptitude upate is basically the same thing |
| 17:16.00 | stew | rgrig: no, if one package conflicts with another, they both cannot be installed at the same time, regardless of the order in which they are installed |
| 17:16.16 | CastingCrowns | stew: I ran it from within KDE, should I have been out of kde and been on a command line? |
| 17:16.26 | rgrig | stew: thanks |
| 17:16.35 | stew | rgrig: and policy states this pretty clearly |
| 17:17.03 | CastingCrowns | stew: Oh Im sorry, I ran apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:17.05 | stew | CastingCrowns: it doens't matter |
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| 17:17.25 | SleepingSloth | has there been an iceweasel update in the last day or so? |
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| 17:17.37 | stew | SleepingSloth: http://pacakges.qa.debian.org/iceweasel |
| 17:17.52 | stew | SleepingSloth: err http://packages.qa.debian.org/iceweasel |
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| 17:18.47 | CharminTheMoose | how can I set what keymap my VTs use? |
| 17:19.03 | SleepingSloth | stew, am i going blind - I see a version number, but not a release time |
| 17:19.04 | stew | CastingCrowns: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 17:19.10 | CastingCrowns | stew: Well I have to leave for work. Ill have t try and takcle this some other time |
| 17:19.11 | stew | SleepingSloth: look at the "NEWS" section |
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| 17:20.54 | rgrig | stew: it says "will refuse to allow them to be installed at the same time". that can be read as refusing an action (eg, apt-get install A B) rather than refusing a state (both A and B are installed). this interpretation is suggestef by the next paragraph that clearly discusses an action, not a state. (section 7.3) |
| 17:21.06 | WormFood | does anyone have experience with scim on debian? I can't for the life of me get it to do anything. I have read the web page, and the docs, and maybe I'm overlooking something, but I can't get it to do shit. |
| 17:21.22 | stew | rgrig: "If one package is to be installed, the other must be removed first - " |
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| 17:22.01 | SleepingSloth | okay. I've not got unstable/testing repos enabled, but I have version 2.0.0.12 |
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| 17:22.55 | stew | SleepingSloth: what is the debian version of your iceweasel package? (which you could get from 'apt-cache policy iceweasel' or 'dpkg -l iceweasel') |
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| 17:23.26 | adama | problem: /dev/dsp and /dev/audio do not exist. How to proceed? |
| 17:23.32 | WormFood | do I have to restart x11 to get scim to work under debian? |
| 17:23.34 | SleepingSloth | stew - 2.0.0.12-0etch |
| 17:23.43 | streuner | adama: /dev/dsp is OSS ... |
| 17:23.44 | rgrig | stew: if you have "package A, conflict B" it's not clear if "one" means "A" or "any of A, B" |
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| 17:23.50 | noll | looks like ndiswrapper works alright, but I see no interface. Any help with that? |
| 17:23.53 | SleepingSloth | stew - which is the stable version... |
| 17:23.54 | stew | SleepingSloth: you installed that from etch-backports from backports.org |
| 17:23.57 | aoeu | what format does sylpheed keep its mailbox folder in? |
| 17:24.07 | aoeu | and can this be read by any windows apps? |
| 17:24.11 | stew | rgrig: i don't understand what you are saying |
| 17:24.26 | streuner | noll: didnt the download contain a README or such? |
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| 17:24.45 | SleepingSloth | stew - not deliberately ;) but okay - is there an easy way of rolling back? |
| 17:24.46 | adama | streuner: what does that mean? |
| 17:24.48 | stew | rgrig: oh, i understand |
| 17:24.58 | streuner | noll: usually you are using ALSA |
| 17:25.09 | stew | rgrig: and it means either |
| 17:25.26 | rgrig | stew: your interpretation makes more sense; i just don't think it's completely unambiguous |
| 17:25.32 | rgrig | stew: thanks again |
| 17:25.48 | streuner | adama: you need that for a game or such? |
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| 17:26.20 | adama | streuner: no, for encoding audio using darkice, to send to an icecast2 server |
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| 17:26.42 | streuner | adama: fine, iam out then |
| 17:26.44 | WormFood | nobody here uses scim? |
| 17:26.57 | adama | :( |
| 17:27.05 | streuner | #icecast 33 Current release: 2.3.1 || Please read the docs before asking questions, then just ask right away. Ask as accurately as possible, and be patient for answers. || FORUM: http://forum.icecast.org/ || Understanding Icecast: http://liveice.sourceforge.net/understanding.html || No arseholes please |
| 17:27.08 | noll | streuner: alsa? |
| 17:27.15 | abrotman | streuner: how'd you get in that channel!? |
| 17:27.34 | streuner | abrotman: magic! |
| 17:27.40 | abrotman | streuner: it says no arseholes! |
| 17:27.52 | streuner | !+tell noll -about alsa |
| 17:27.53 | dpkg | told noll about alsa. |
| 17:27.55 | streuner | haha |
| 17:28.07 | streuner | abrotman: iam here, not there :-P |
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| 17:28.26 | streuner | abrotman: /list #icecast ;-) |
| 17:28.31 | abrotman | nooooo |
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| 17:28.57 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: sent |
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| 17:29.04 | WormFood | the real way to join that channel is to type "/disco #icecast" :P |
| 17:29.07 | SleepingSloth | stew - can i roll back to the stable version? |
| 17:29.09 | streuner | noll: ask there in #icecast about |
| 17:29.35 | stew | SleepingSloth: yes, "aptitude isntall iceweasel=version" "apt-cache policy iceweasel" will enemerate available versions |
| 17:30.02 | stew | SleepingSloth: though the correct spelling of "isntall" is left as an exercise to the reader |
| 17:30.16 | DeadFishMan | lol |
| 17:30.17 | SleepingSloth | stew ^-^ |
| 17:30.35 | streuner | abrotman: but its the right place for you, because you are usually proud to be one ;-) |
| 17:30.37 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: received, thanks |
| 17:30.44 | SleepingSloth | trapper-keeper:~# apt-cache policy ieweasel |
| 17:30.45 | SleepingSloth | W: Unable to locate package ieweasel |
| 17:30.46 | abrotman | streuner: perhaps |
| 17:30.48 | SleepingSloth | :S |
| 17:30.51 | abrotman | SleepingSloth: spell it right |
| 17:30.52 | streuner | iceweasel |
| 17:30.59 | SleepingSloth | abrotman, yes, it was just a joke |
| 17:31.01 | streuner | not ieweasel |
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| 17:31.27 | SleepingSloth | in response to spelling isntall properly. never mind.... |
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| 17:31.59 | vlt | Hello. What is the easiest way to fetch mail from an IMAP folder and store it in a maildir? fetchmail and maildrop? |
| 17:32.41 | stew | vlt: that works, so does offlineimap |
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| 17:33.39 | CharminTheMoose | how can I set what keymap my VTs use? |
| 17:33.44 | stew | CharminTheMoose: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 17:33.51 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: np, it's going on my blog too |
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| 17:34.34 | rgrig | Another packages question: Is a cycle of PreDepends an error? |
| 17:34.40 | vlt | stew: Thank you. |
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| 17:35.05 | stew | rgrig: yes |
| 17:35.13 | SleepingSloth | stew - excuse my stupidity - the version table only shows the version i have installed.... |
| 17:35.22 | rgrig | stew: ok, thanks. |
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| 17:36.01 | stew | SleepingSloth: bah, its my fault, sorry. you have the current stable version, forget what i said about backports |
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| 17:36.50 | stew | SleepingSloth: which was released for stable on 2/16 |
| 17:37.10 | SleepingSloth | stew. no worries - then my problem may be a bug I guess :S |
| 17:37.26 | stew | SleepingSloth: what is the problem? |
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| 17:39.03 | SleepingSloth | stew, after some browsing, I *think* always with multiple tabs, sometimes an attempt to load a URL results in the page loading, but the screen isnt refreshed - so I'm still looking at the last page I visited. |
| 17:39.05 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: http://www.chrishowie.com/2008/03/28/gnome-terminal-cursor/ -- tell your friends! :) |
| 17:39.32 | SleepingSloth | stew, I had a similar problem once on Ubuntu with applications running under beryl. thankfully I am now ubuntu and beryl free :) |
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| 17:40.16 | streuner | noll: where did you download the driver? and what kind of chipset do you have? |
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| 17:41.05 | stew | SleepingSloth: odd. do have any oddball extensions? is it repeatable? |
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| 17:41.21 | SleepingSloth | stew, the quick fix seems to be to restart the browser - but that isn't really ideal behaviour, especially when the tabs won't be recovered on next startup since iceweasel didnt crash |
| 17:41.39 | SleepingSloth | stew - the only extension I have is web developer |
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| 17:42.07 | SleepingSloth | stew, and the problem is the intermittency - I cant reliably reproduce :( |
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| 17:43.09 | abrotman | for a sleeping sloth .. you type fast |
| 17:43.15 | SleepingSloth | stew, I guess I'll see if I can nail down the problem, and submit a bug report....? |
| 17:43.47 | SleepingSloth | abrotman, have you ever seen a sleeping sloth? ;) |
| 17:44.00 | abrotman | how would you know the difference :) |
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| 17:44.07 | SleepingSloth | abrotman, fair point |
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| 17:45.43 | SchrodingersSlot | better? |
| 17:45.54 | SchrodingersSlot | meh. not enough letters. |
| 17:46.07 | abrotman | SchrodingersSlot: FWIW .. sleeping aardvarks are ugly :) |
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| 17:46.49 | jerome | grmpf, I can't get this DVD device to read my discs. Now it says "Read of scrambled sector without authentication" |
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| 17:47.14 | SchrodingerSloth | anyway - I've not submitted a bug report before - is this sort of behaviour even worth a submittal? givent the fact i cant reproduce it consistently, and the problem may not be with iceweasel, it might be with something else - like nvidia drivers.. ?? |
| 17:47.27 | abrotman | or the website ? |
| 17:48.26 | themill | SchrodingerSloth: http://picpaste.com/pics/Schroedinger__s_Cats.1206726490.png |
| 17:49.12 | SchrodingerSloth | themill, lol |
| 17:49.32 | themill | SchrodingerSloth: a personal favourite :) |
| 17:50.24 | Hoxzer | Hmm, I'm under a expression that any type of mass if traveling fast enough has wave properities |
| 17:50.51 | SchrodingerSloth | Hoxzer, .... |
| 17:50.55 | Hoxzer | However dont know if too heavy objects have to exceed light speed which would make it compilicated |
| 17:51.04 | abrotman | Hoxzer: wrong channel ? |
| 17:51.13 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 17:51.13 | Hoxzer | abrotman: somebody pasted a image |
| 17:51.27 | themill | hides in the corner |
| 17:51.29 | SchrodingerSloth | it sure is slow on the support front right now..... |
| 17:51.31 | abrotman | Hoxzer: and you're "under the impression" |
| 17:52.02 | Hoxzer | abrotman: you're right :D I was wondering what the word was |
| 17:52.08 | hoxu | glues themill to the corner |
| 17:52.10 | SchrodingerSloth | abrotman, and there was me thinking he was sitting under a giant "e=mc squared" |
| 17:52.17 | themill | bastard |
| 17:52.48 | hoxu | I'm under the impression .fi + friday + insightful physics thoughts equals "excess alcohol usage" |
| 17:53.00 | themill | oi... what are you implying. |
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| 17:53.17 | themill | SchrodingerSloth: I see exactly the same behaviour as you with iceweasel appearing not to load pages. (The title changes, but the contents of the page do not; links on the "outdated" page usually stop working at this time too. |
| 17:53.53 | SchrodingerSloth | themill, ah, interesting. Have you only noticed this behaviour recently? |
| 17:53.55 | hoxu | firefox is a buggy shit overall, I'm not surprised by stuff like that |
| 17:54.00 | crashanddie | Hi, when using dh_make, is possible to force it to not look at the directory structure ? |
| 17:54.06 | crashanddie | is it** |
| 17:54.10 | hoxu | I used to often get detached windows that were actually an iframe on a page or something similar |
| 17:54.34 | hoxu | for example, when switching a tab firefox would stop redrawing that tab area, and I'd get a detached window with the tab content instead |
| 17:54.43 | SchrodingerSloth | hoxu, I'll probably get flamed for this - but firefox on windows has no such issues... although they do seem to release an update every other day |
| 17:54.47 | themill | SchrodingerSloth: There is no pattern for when this starts happening, but it is perhaps related to the number of pages visited as it occurs more frequently if I have lots of windows and tabs open at the same time. (Session manager + ctrl+alt+esc is my usual fix) |
| 17:55.02 | craigevil | hasnt had any real iceweasel problems since around the 1.5 |
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| 17:55.14 | crashanddie | themill, this has nothing to do with firefox being buggy or anything |
| 17:55.14 | hoxu | SchrodingerSloth, I haven't seen that particular one on windows, true, but it's not like it isn't suffering of any problems... |
| 17:55.35 | crashanddie | themill, it's just your connection to the server that's basically stalled, just hit stop and refresh and wait for the page to load fully |
| 17:55.38 | themill | SchrodingerSloth: I've noticed this behaviour for at least all of the 2.x and possibly also 1.5 but I can't remember for sure. I've not seen it in windoze either but don't use legacy operating systems as much. |
| 17:55.48 | themill | crashanddie: no. that's not it at all. |
| 17:55.56 | SchrodingerSloth | hoxu, well, true - but I don't see it as being any worse than any other browser when it's running on windows... |
| 17:56.09 | SchrodingerSloth | hoxu, of course, that is just an opinion' |
| 17:56.35 | crashanddie | themill, it's exactly that |
| 17:56.41 | hoxu | I can also confirm pages "partially loading"; only the title may change and the page area itself becomes blank |
| 17:56.51 | abrotman | SchrodingerSloth: i get that problem on windows .. the page takes a long time to load ? |
| 17:56.58 | hoxu | crashanddie, don't insist and force your ideas about problems |
| 17:57.00 | abrotman | SchrodingerSloth: are you using gnome? |
| 17:57.31 | themill | crashanddie: you are wrong here. Please accept that. When this happens, it even happens on locally loaded pages (file:///) and also from localhost served pages. |
| 17:57.45 | SchrodingerSloth | abrotman, I am using gnome - and the page does load fully - it just never refreshes |
| 17:57.47 | schemelab | on Debian/etch, I'm having problems running pdflatex - http://rafb.net/p/vRyLAC50.html |
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| 17:58.12 | SchrodingerSloth | themill abrotman crashanddie - I can confirm that - in fact I first noticed it on http://localhost addresses |
| 17:58.17 | abrotman | SchrodingerSloth: FWIW .. i stopped using IW/FF and started using epiphany when i wanted a gecko browser (i normally use opera) |
| 17:58.24 | themill | crashanddie: the rendering engine appears to be detached (for want of a better word) from the main pane. Even the back button stops refreshing the page being displayed (only the title changes). This is out of cache and has nothing to do with the network connection. |
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| 17:58.54 | crashanddie | themill, ok, sorry, would it be possible to find more info as of how this bug occurs ? |
| 17:59.00 | crashanddie | themill, or rather, when ? |
| 17:59.03 | SchrodingerSloth | abrotman, I would do the same, but I keep epiphany for the stuff I shouldnt be doing, and IW for the stuff I should ;) |
| 17:59.14 | crashanddie | themill, also, do the other tabs still work ? |
| 17:59.15 | abrotman | SchrodingerSloth: i think you need to focus! |
| 17:59.23 | SchrodingerSloth | abrotman, hahah |
| 17:59.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: does flash work in your opera? |
| 17:59.44 | abrotman | SchrodingerSloth: i find epiphany to be less .. cumbersome |
| 17:59.48 | abrotman | jelly-home: yes |
| 17:59.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: i use the static .deb |
| 17:59.55 | themill | crashanddie: it's not specific to a particular website nor to extensions being loaded or not. All tabs are buggered when it happens. Although opening a new tab often works for the *first* page you go to but not to subsequent pages. |
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| 18:00.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: ah. |
| 18:00.17 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm not a KDE user .. so the deps would probably suck :) |
| 18:00.18 | SchrodingerSloth | abrotman, maybe I should set epiphany to be the default, and hide IW away instead ;) |
| 18:00.41 | themill | crashanddie: Ctrl+left click on links and then closing the current tab can keep me from killing the browser for a little while. |
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| 18:00.51 | themill | crashanddie: I've not been able to work out anything more though. |
| 18:00.52 | abrotman | SchrodingerSloth: which is exactly what i did (though i was also on a quest to make epiphany act like opera and nearly succeeded) |
| 18:00.59 | crashanddie | themill, ok |
| 18:01.17 | crashanddie | themill, I never noticed this though, nor heard about it, were you doing anything in particular ? |
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| 18:01.52 | n0mad | hei, any flv to viedo konverter on linux ? |
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| 18:02.46 | hoxu | crashanddie, I think firefox bugs in general are quite elusive, so it's kind of difficult to retrace your steps and try to reproduce them when you run into them, especially since it seems the likeliness of running into stuff increases when browsing with a lot of tabs etc |
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| 18:02.51 | lxsu | hej |
| 18:03.01 | stew | n0mad: apt-cache search flv |
| 18:03.19 | n0mad | flv = 0 |
| 18:03.21 | hoxu | lxsu, we can't fix your broken internet, but is there anything else we can help with? |
| 18:03.22 | n0mad | hmn |
| 18:03.30 | themill | crashanddie: it can screw up like this when visiting any website at all. (including pretty plain html ones i.e no flash or java, but inevitably they will be loaded by some other tab somewhere else). It's so irreproducible that it's impossible to provoke it into happening to try it in a clean-ish environment. |
| 18:03.49 | abrotman | n0mad: because you're using elive and not debian ? |
| 18:03.56 | n0mad | :> |
| 18:04.06 | crashanddie | themill, hmm, ok |
| 18:04.08 | n0mad | i gues |
| 18:04.18 | abrotman | n0mad: either ask #elive or ##linux |
| 18:04.22 | schemelab | on Debian/etch, what package would have pst-pdf? |
| 18:04.30 | schemelab | it's a latex style |
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| 18:04.34 | stew | schemelab: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:04.36 | hoxu | themill, heh, the best "reproducable" bugs I've run with firefox were mostly ones where reproducing meant "I can go back to previous page and then forward again to reproduce it" ;) |
| 18:04.40 | n0mad | im asked alredy - q is penfing :) |
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| 18:04.57 | schemelab | dpkg: apt-file pst-pdf.sty |
| 18:05.02 | schemelab | I cant get it to respond |
| 18:05.06 | themill | schemelab: what does it do? (never come across if) |
| 18:05.09 | themill | *it |
| 18:05.12 | stew | dpkg: tell schemelab about apt-file |
| 18:05.19 | schemelab | I think it's pstricks pdf extension |
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| 18:05.28 | themill | schemelab: ewww. |
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| 18:05.53 | schemelab | i love LaTeX |
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| 18:06.05 | SchrodingerSloth | there are websites for the likes of you ;) |
| 18:06.26 | themill | schemelab: it might not be packaged. (I love LaTeX too, but pstricks and pdf output just shouldn't go together.... I use tikz for pdf stuff) |
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| 18:06.56 | abrotman | texlive ? |
| 18:07.04 | schemelab | yes, but texlive isnt part of tetex is it? |
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| 18:07.17 | schemelab | apt-file search pst-pdf.sty # returns nothing |
| 18:07.23 | schemelab | on Debian/etch |
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| 18:07.44 | themill | schemelab: It appears not to be packaged for debian. You'll have to grab it yourself and stick it in your own texmf directory. |
| 18:07.50 | schemelab | oh |
| 18:08.01 | schemelab | sigh |
| 18:08.03 | themill | schemelab: don't forget to run texhash after putting it in the right place |
| 18:08.06 | hoxu | if anyone is curious, here is one screenshot of the "detached tabs/div elements" bug in firefox: http://cookie.tar.googlepages.com/firefox-buggytab.png |
| 18:08.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: i found an EDTV!!! |
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| 18:08.43 | schemelab | why is the thing not zipped or tarred - http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/graphics/pstricks/contrib/pst-pdf/ |
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| 18:09.08 | RedShift | my backspace key doesn't work in ncurses apps, what gives? |
| 18:09.14 | maligor | hoxu, but we all use iceweasel :P |
| 18:09.22 | hoxu | !rack maligor |
| 18:09.22 | dpkg | pushes a server rack slightly and makes it fall on maligor leaving a large wet spot |
| 18:09.30 | schemelab | wait pst-pdf is listed here - http://ddtp.debian.net/ddt.cgi?diff1=24747&diff2=33214 |
| 18:10.03 | mbroeker | RedShift, check /etc/inputrc |
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| 18:10.08 | hoxu | maligor, it could've been from the time before iceweasel ;) |
| 18:10.08 | themill | schemelab: http://www.ctan.org/get/macros/latex/contrib/pst-pdf.zip |
| 18:10.26 | schemelab | good bye to teTeX, hello TeXLive! |
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| 18:12.30 | h0ax | will the minimal install cd... on PPC ... work well with the G3 ? |
| 18:13.38 | themill | schemelab: it might be that only the lenny texlive package has those files.... |
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| 18:13.46 | schemelab | oh |
| 18:13.49 | schemelab | prays |
| 18:14.02 | schemelab | apt-file certainly showed no different |
| 18:14.07 | streuner | h0ax: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s01.html.en |
| 18:14.15 | h0ax | ty |
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| 18:14.55 | themill | schemelab: texlive-latex-extra contains it, but only in lenny/sid |
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| 18:15.03 | schemelab | oh |
| 18:15.10 | schemelab | well thanks for looking themill |
| 18:15.42 | themill | schemelab: np. Probably easier to grab it from ctan than to bump to lenny just for that... |
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| 18:18.53 | Jaytheon | hey whats a good program on linux that can tell me and log if someones paketing me etc or flooding me |
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| 18:19.51 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I find the bus of the memory installed on my system? |
| 18:19.53 | streuner | !nagios |
| 18:19.54 | dpkg | Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring application software. It watches hosts and services that you specify, alerting you when things go bad and again when they get better. |
| 18:20.05 | streuner | gonzaloaf: what for? |
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| 18:20.59 | Solver | nagios wakes me up at night :) |
| 18:21.12 | streuner | hehe, SMS? evil |
| 18:21.12 | stew | gonzaloaf: what exactly do you mean? |
| 18:21.18 | gonzaloaf | streuner, I want to buy another bank, I want to but the same bus... I know that I can find out opening my box, is there another way? |
| 18:21.21 | Solver | yep sms :) |
| 18:21.46 | streuner | gonzaloaf: in some systems dmidecode works well, if not, just open the case :-) |
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| 18:22.10 | streuner | !info dmidecode |
| 18:22.12 | dpkg | dmidecode: (Dump Desktop Management Interface data), section utils, is important. Version: 2.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
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| 18:24.01 | gonzaloaf | streuner, yes... I got it |
| 18:24.05 | gonzaloaf | thanks |
| 18:24.11 | streuner | np |
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| 18:28.15 | enouf | !myram |
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| 18:28.16 | dpkg | myram is, like, install and run dmidecode -t memory as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs |
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| 18:29.07 | streuner | !factinfo myram |
| 18:29.07 | dpkg | myram -- last modified at Sun Mar 2 12:14:32 2008 by enouf!n=stompthe@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net; it has been requested 2 times, last by enouf, 52s ago. |
| 18:29.36 | enouf | you found me :-P |
| 18:29.40 | cheekee | how do I Identify users on my system? |
| 18:29.51 | streuner | no wonder you remember that :-) |
| 18:30.03 | streuner | man who, man w |
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| 18:30.20 | enouf | streuner: i actually had to do a 'listvals eeprom' to find it :-P |
| 18:30.37 | streuner | enouf: listauth enouf? |
| 18:31.00 | streuner | !listauth enouf |
| 18:31.00 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'enouf' (14): cydork ;; eggnog ;; dbse ;; giawo2 ;; upvsdistup ;; sdj ;; polopony ;; kcc fix ;; bbg ;; etb ;; testing borks ;; no: blob ;; iinm ;; auto-apt. |
| 18:31.02 | enouf | well, someone may have .. ya know .. in the meantime |
| 18:31.24 | enouf | oh, hrm |
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| 18:32.12 | cheekee | streuner: thanks |
| 18:32.20 | gonzaloaf | offtopic, if the clock of my cpu is 200Mhz, the bus is? |
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| 18:32.48 | streuner | gonzaloaf: paste the entire thing (output) in paste.debian.net please |
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| 18:33.55 | gonzaloaf | streuner, http://paste.debian.net/52037 |
| 18:34.16 | gonzaloaf | streuner, I want to know the bus of the cpu in order to buy the correct memory ram bus |
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| 18:36.18 | streuner | gonzaloaf: dmidecode -t memory |
| 18:36.23 | reloop | hi, if i should install a debian linux on my desktop has the desktop standard installation any open services i whould know about? :) |
| 18:36.34 | reloop | *should |
| 18:36.39 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 18:36.39 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 18:36.44 | chops | reloop: nmap localhost and/or netstat -nlp |
| 18:37.21 | chops | reloop: I don't happen to know if there are any services listening by default on Debian installs, but it's easy to check |
| 18:37.25 | reloop | chops, but then i have to install it first ;) |
| 18:37.35 | aAttems | hello, could any1 help me please? i tried to find out the debian kernel directory but i wasnt successful, standard directory /usr/src is empty and cmd find didnt help |
| 18:37.39 | gonzaloaf | streuner, http://paste.debian.net/52038 |
| 18:37.51 | reloop | chops, no problem :) |
| 18:37.54 | chops | reloop: There aren't any surplus services that can't be removed pretty easily if you don't want them IIRC (maybe portmap and FAM or something) |
| 18:37.58 | jelly-home | aAttems: why do you need it? |
| 18:38.10 | lunaphyte_ | if i set up an install on one machine, and then moved the disk to a different but physically identical machine, why would the ethernet interfaces change from eth0 and eth 1 to eth2 and eth3? |
| 18:38.33 | jelly-home | lunaphyte_: /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 18:38.43 | chops | lunaphyte_: You may have the MAC addresses from the old machine in your z25 configuration (what jelly-home said) |
| 18:38.49 | gonzaloaf | streuner, see this information about my motherboard http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/D865PERL/sb/CS-008964.htm |
| 18:39.05 | aAttems | jelly-home, because i want to try build gentoo on it :) |
| 18:39.21 | chops | lunaphyte_: Debian makes efforts to keep network interface names bound to unique MAC addresses to avoid screwing people who hotplug network cards and/or whose kernels change interface names on them |
| 18:39.21 | simonrvn | right |
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| 18:39.39 | reloop | chops, ya i know. was just thinking bout the possibility to install a standard desktop system. would be nice to know that there are no / or this and that service(s) listening by default. so i dont have to worry bout them, and the all the other stuff i install i take care off :D |
| 18:39.53 | reloop | but no problem to install it first ;) |
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| 18:40.15 | jelly-home | aAttems: what is "gentoo", the distro? Why would it need kernel sources? How is this a Debian issue? |
| 18:40.16 | chops | reloop: Debian is pretty secure by default if you keep up with security updates (and isn't secure regardless of what's listening if you don't) |
| 18:40.21 | streuner | gonzaloaf: Doesnt the mobo manual contain what kind of RAM you should use? |
| 18:40.27 | w3rd_ | guys i have been trying to flag my hddv's on a netra t100 as a linux raid but for some reason the system keeps setting up 2 partitions on 1 drive and missing the 2nd one all together... says that its not listed in /etc/fstab? n e help? |
| 18:41.04 | aAttems | jelly-home, because debian dont have problems with HW detection |
| 18:41.10 | aAttems | :) |
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| 18:41.38 | gonzaloaf | streuner, yes, thats the reason why I want to know my system bus speed, 800, 533 or 400 mhz |
| 18:41.46 | gonzaloaf | because* |
| 18:41.55 | jelly-home | aAttems: you ought to solve your gentoo problems in the channel dedicated to that distro. |
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| 18:42.05 | aAttems | k |
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| 18:42.33 | debchat | I am experiencing this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464129. |
| 18:42.41 | reloop | chops, yeah i know. i'll give it a try. heard a lot of good stuff bout it, so i think i may be experienced enough now :P |
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| 18:42.44 | debchat | How do I install debian? |
| 18:42.49 | chops | reloop: k |
| 18:42.52 | chops | reloop: Good luck :-) |
| 18:43.13 | reloop | chops, thanks :) may the source be with you! :) |
| 18:43.43 | debchat | There is a program for windows (to create the image .iso in pendrive) ? |
| 18:44.09 | craigevil | debchat: take a look at www.pendrivelinux.com |
| 18:44.56 | debchat | Through the windows, is to create an image of debian? |
| 18:44.58 | debchat | oks |
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| 18:45.49 | cheekee | Has anyone here been able to use Amarok with an ATI 9800 or less, graphics card? |
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| 18:46.06 | jelly-home | what does Amarok have to do with graphic cards? |
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| 18:46.34 | chops | cheekee: I've been able to use it with a card that doesn't have 3d at all. Does that count as, "or less"? :-) |
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| 18:48.26 | cheekee | chops: I can't get Amarok to run bcos I get a "error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1:" msg. I scanned google and it seems that my 9200SE isn't up to the job. |
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| 18:48.59 | jelly-home | cheekee: which version of amarok is that? |
| 18:49.08 | chops | cheekee: That does not sound accurate to me. |
| 18:49.30 | chops | cheekee: Have you by any chance installed binary drivers from ATI or anything? |
| 18:49.47 | debchat | Through the windows, is to create an image of debian ? |
| 18:50.09 | jelly-home | !br |
| 18:50.09 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 18:50.40 | cheekee | jelly-home: the Amarok version that comes with Lenny, but I couldn't run it with the Etch version either. |
| 18:50.49 | stew | cheekee: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 18:51.37 | cheekee | chops: I only installed Lenny on Etch. I don't know how to check my video driver |
| 18:51.43 | cheekee | lenny |
| 18:51.51 | stew | cheekee: what do you mean by "installed lenny on etch"? |
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| 18:52.16 | jelly-home | cheekee: what do "dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1" and "dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-glx libc6 | tail -2" say? |
| 18:52.24 | chops | cheekee: Do you get any errors (or any other information) than the error message you gave above? |
| 18:52.26 | cheekee | I mean I changed the sources and then ran an upgrade |
| 18:52.47 | jelly-home | cheekee: you need to do a "dist-upgrade". /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 18:53.07 | cheekee | I did that |
| 18:53.42 | cheekee | I did a dist-upgrade, forgive my imprecision |
| 18:53.42 | jelly-home | pastebin the requested data, then |
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| 18:54.34 | eeedarius_v | is somebody knowing a repository that contains emerald? |
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| 18:54.53 | jelly-home | cheekee: does running "glxinfo" result in the same error? |
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| 18:55.56 | cheekee | jelly-home: 1st answer is- libgl1-mesa-glx: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
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| 18:56.50 | abrotman | eeedarius_v: isn't that the E17 thing ? |
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| 18:57.19 | abrotman | eeedarius_v: no .. debian doesn't distribute that |
| 18:57.43 | eeedarius_v | abrotman, its an window decorator in partnership with compiz |
| 18:57.47 | w3rd_ | http://rafb.net/p/yHmrli34.html |
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| 18:58.21 | w3rd_ | could someone tell me why my system configured multiple partions when i flagged all for linux raid? |
| 18:58.33 | w3rd_ | partitions* |
| 18:58.37 | abrotman | !find emerald |
| 18:58.42 | dpkg | xemeraldia: (not just another tetris clone), section games, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
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| 18:59.11 | craigevil | eeedarius_v: nothing in official debian repos, you can try http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=1, but when it breaks you get to keep the pieces |
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| 18:59.27 | eeedarius_v | craigevil, thx |
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| 18:59.39 | cheekee | jelly-home: 2nd answer http://pastebin.com/d447cbd64 |
| 18:59.58 | jelly-home | cheekee: also "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1" and "ldd $(which amarokapp)|grep libGL" |
| 19:00.34 | stew | cheekee: have you checked the bts? |
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| 19:01.13 | mitchell_ | anyone nows were I can get crossover from free? |
| 19:01.51 | cheekee | jelly-home: glxinfo ... "command not found" |
| 19:01.51 | jelly-home | mitchell_: crossover office? you can get a 30day evaluation from the vendor |
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| 19:02.31 | ma3x | hello, is there installation cd of debian with the support of AHCI? |
| 19:02.43 | mitchell_ | jelly-home: i dont want the evalutation version I need the real version |
| 19:02.49 | jelly-home | mitchell_: buy it. |
| 19:03.00 | jelly-home | this is not #warez |
| 19:03.16 | craigevil | mitchell_: buy it so they can continue to make improvements |
| 19:03.21 | jugglinx | i see today the add a new kernel in testing... will my old netinstall install 2.6.22 or 2.6.24? |
| 19:03.29 | cheekee | jelly-home: ls: cannot access /usr/lib/libGL.so.: No such file or directory |
| 19:03.31 | mitchell_ | no money guys |
| 19:03.45 | jelly-home | cheekee: try it without typos |
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| 19:04.05 | stew | mitchell_: pirating software is inappropriate for this irc network. unless you have a debian question, please move along |
| 19:04.07 | alpaco | what do you recommend for a usenet newsreader? |
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| 19:04.46 | mitchell_ | ok thks |
| 19:04.49 | jelly-home | stew: it's appropriate for other irc networks? :-) |
| 19:05.13 | mitchell_ | hope u don't have any pirated software on ur pc |
| 19:05.39 | abrotman | !tell mitchell_ about u |
| 19:05.39 | craigevil | mitchell_: debian has over 20k packages why would we need to |
| 19:05.52 | abrotman | mitchell_: this is not a channel for warez .. try elsewhere |
| 19:06.16 | abrotman | alpaco: i used to use "pan" .. but haven't read news in a long time |
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| 19:07.09 | rom | hi |
| 19:07.09 | rom | do you know ksynaptic? |
| 19:07.09 | cheekee | jelly-home: ldd $(which amarokapp)|grep libGL libGL.so.1 => not found |
| 19:07.09 | rom | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468905 |
| 19:07.09 | rom | it has been removed |
| 19:07.09 | alpaco | abrotman: is it a shell program or an gui program? |
| 19:07.09 | abrotman | alpaco: gtk program |
| 19:07.10 | rom | but it worked very well, and touchfreeze is not in repositories |
| 19:07.10 | rom | :( |
| 19:07.10 | abrotman | alpaco: if you want CLI .. try tin or slrn |
| 19:07.12 | alpaco | abrotman: gr8, thx |
| 19:07.24 | jelly-home | cheekee: what about that "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1"? |
| 19:08.19 | ma3x | hello, is there installation cd of debian with the support of AHCI? |
| 19:08.20 | cheekee | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2008-03-25 21:17 /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2 |
| 19:08.37 | abrotman | ma3x: the normal one? |
| 19:08.57 | jelly-home | cheekee: you have installed fglrx. Your card doesn't need or support it. |
| 19:09.04 | ma3x | abrotman, debian stable with ahci support (drivers_ |
| 19:09.12 | stew | if i have an ssl cert and several possible keys, does anyone know of a method i could use to determine which key is the right one for the cert? |
| 19:09.39 | abrotman | darts |
| 19:09.51 | stew | abrotman: didn't work |
| 19:09.57 | stew | i'm tired of throwing them |
| 19:10.03 | abrotman | stew: access a site .. see if the key file was accessed ? |
| 19:10.13 | abrotman | eh .. i bet it only gets read on startup |
| 19:10.17 | abrotman | throws a dart |
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| 19:10.33 | jelly-home | stew: verify their modulos? |
| 19:10.36 | cheekee | jelly-home: :-( ok so I have to revert to the Debian ATI driver? |
| 19:10.43 | jelly-home | moduli* |
| 19:10.43 | stew | jelly-home: que? |
| 19:10.47 | abrotman | stew: move the key files .. restart apache .. see which one fails? :) |
| 19:11.00 | jelly-home | stew: openssl something ... lemme look it up |
| 19:11.34 | linkslice | I've got an older sarge box and the servers I had set up in my sources.list file are no longer respnding, is there a command I can run to set up the a new list like I did when I went through the install? |
| 19:11.49 | abrotman | linkslice: which ones aren't responding? |
| 19:12.08 | ma3x | anybody care to answer? |
| 19:12.08 | linkslice | mirrors.kernel.org |
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| 19:12.14 | abrotman | that one is there |
| 19:12.15 | jelly-home | stew: "openssl x509 -noout -modulus -in foo.pem" and "openssl rsa -noout -modulus -in foo.key" ought to match |
| 19:12.20 | cheekee | jelly-home: but that was why I asked initially whether anyone with a card lower than ATI 9800 could run Amarok and how they did it? |
| 19:12.21 | abrotman | ma3x: i said the regular one |
| 19:12.30 | abrotman | ma3x: try the expert mode |
| 19:12.37 | jelly-home | cheekee: "they" didn't install fglrx |
| 19:13.12 | stew | jelly-home: awesome, thanks |
| 19:13.15 | cheekee | ok |
| 19:13.53 | jelly-home | cheekee: yes, use driver from the distro |
| 19:14.48 | ma3x | abrotman, sorry didn't read that. what can I do in the expert mode? |
| 19:14.52 | abrotman | !ig |
| 19:14.53 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 19:15.58 | jelly-home | is rather sure he already pointer ma3x to kmuto's images at least once |
| 19:16.08 | jelly-home | pointed* |
| 19:16.53 | chops | cheekee: As a general rule, with Debian you should stick with drivers that are included with the distro. Unless you have special needs (like, well, 3d acceleration :-( ), you don't need to track down separately-provided drivers and install them. |
| 19:17.01 | ma3x | jelly-home, kmuto or the standard one? |
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| 19:17.28 | jelly-home | I just said kmuto's didn't I |
| 19:17.51 | ma3x | didnt what |
| 19:18.18 | jelly-home | !confuse ma3x |
| 19:18.19 | dpkg | No, how was your ferret tomorrow, ma3x? pants of the monarchy of belarus with extra cream |
| 19:18.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: try pig latin |
| 19:18.30 | abrotman | !pig latin hello jelly-home |
| 19:18.31 | dpkg | Get up, latin hello jelly-home boy. I bet you can squeal. I bet you can squeal like a pig. |
| 19:18.35 | dworkin | every time i try to run a binary file (compiled for my architecture) i get "bash: ./elf32bitbinaryprogram: Permission denied". i have rwx permissions. what can be the problem? |
| 19:18.35 | abrotman | nope |
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| 19:18.46 | abrotman | !piglatin hello jelly-home |
| 19:18.47 | dpkg | ellohay elly-homejay |
| 19:18.58 | jelly-home | ma3x: try the 2.6.23 from kmuto.jp/debian/d-i |
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| 19:19.01 | abrotman | dworkin: device mounted noexec ? |
| 19:19.52 | abrotman | !piglatin jelly-home: try the 2.6.23 from kmuto.jp/debian/d-i |
| 19:19.53 | dpkg | elly-homejay: tryay ethay 2.6.23way omfray uto.jp/debian/d-ikmay |
| 19:19.59 | abrotman | hides |
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| 19:20.04 | w3rd_ | once you load something in to /etc/fstab is there a way to reinitiate the system to recognize the edit? |
| 19:20.05 | jelly-home | woohoo, 3way! |
| 19:20.07 | cheekee | chops: Okay! so how do I replace the fglrx driver |
| 19:20.10 | dworkin | abrotman, yes. thank you :) |
| 19:20.12 | w3rd_ | or is it immediate? |
| 19:20.14 | cheekee | ? |
| 19:20.19 | stew | 23way even |
| 19:20.23 | jelly-home | w3rd_: "mount -a" |
| 19:20.27 | w3rd_ | k |
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| 19:20.38 | abrotman | goes back to XSL |
| 19:20.45 | jelly-home | w3rd_: unless it's already mounted, in which case you'll need to umount it first |
| 19:20.52 | w3rd_ | k |
| 19:21.01 | w3rd_ | but do i need to specify what drive |
| 19:21.02 | cheekee | chops: apt-get install ? |
| 19:21.10 | w3rd_ | like /dev/sda? |
| 19:21.18 | abrotman | w3rd_: what is the mount point for the device? |
| 19:21.36 | w3rd_ | well... im trying to config it as a linux raid 1 |
| 19:21.43 | w3rd_ | so there is not a mount point defined |
| 19:21.44 | w3rd_ | ... |
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| 19:22.03 | w3rd_ | http://rafb.net/p/yHmrli34.html |
| 19:22.12 | w3rd_ | that is the cp of my fdisk -l |
| 19:22.26 | w3rd_ | im concerned about /dev/sdb? |
| 19:22.29 | w3rd_ | dont know ? |
| 19:22.46 | jelly-home | w3rd_: which arch is this? |
| 19:23.09 | w3rd_ | which arch? not familiar with that term? |
| 19:23.17 | jelly-home | which architecture? |
| 19:23.23 | w3rd_ | debian sparc |
| 19:23.28 | w3rd_ | 64bit |
| 19:23.35 | chops | cheekee: If you installed it the Debian way, you can just apt-get remove it |
| 19:23.59 | chops | cheekee: The Debian-provided OSS drivers are generally in packages called xserver-xorg-video-foo |
| 19:24.16 | jelly-home | w3rd_: it looks like your sdb device isn't formatted at all, no disk label |
| 19:24.22 | w3rd_ | i know |
| 19:24.26 | w3rd_ | why would that be... |
| 19:24.33 | w3rd_ | is the disk bad? |
| 19:24.37 | jelly-home | w3rd_: because you didn't create one? |
| 19:24.51 | w3rd_ | what do you mean.. i didnt create a partion table? |
| 19:24.57 | jelly-home | yes |
| 19:24.58 | cheekee | chops: I can't remember how I installed it. I stopped using Debian for 6 months |
| 19:25.01 | w3rd_ | oh |
| 19:25.05 | w3rd_ | can i ask you |
| 19:25.18 | cheekee | chops |
| 19:25.23 | w3rd_ | why when i create a partion table does the system automatically create multiple partions? |
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| 19:25.36 | cheekee | chops: its a dual-boot system |
| 19:25.43 | w3rd_ | if i create a partion it laysout all these partitions |
| 19:25.49 | abrotman | w3rd_: have you ever used linux or bsd before? |
| 19:25.54 | w3rd_ | yes... |
| 19:25.59 | w3rd_ | i understand why... |
| 19:26.02 | w3rd_ | but this is weird |
| 19:26.11 | w3rd_ | i have like multiple mirrored configure sets |
| 19:26.14 | w3rd_ | on the same drive |
| 19:26.16 | cheekee | chops: and my keyboard did not support Linux ...or the other way round |
| 19:26.21 | w3rd_ | the layout should be on one partion |
| 19:26.25 | w3rd_ | not three... |
| 19:26.31 | abrotman | w3rd_: lay off the enter key! |
| 19:26.41 | w3rd_ | sorry about that... |
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| 19:28.24 | w3rd_ | abrotman: does that make sense though.... i have configured each of the patitions per slice ie /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3, and flagged each as linux raid... is this the appropriate way to proceed? |
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| 19:30.07 | MalMen | hi |
| 19:30.21 | jelly-home | w3rd_: note that sda1 and sda3 overlap (which is normal for a sun label) and begin at the beginning of the disk. It could be that Linux' fdisk is just dumb, detects the very same label on sda1 and sda3 and displays them too |
| 19:30.25 | MalMen | grep a filename.txt give to me all lines with 'a' inside right? and the reverse? |
| 19:30.38 | MalMen | i want all lines with no 'a' on line |
| 19:30.39 | w3rd_ | oh.... |
| 19:30.45 | w3rd_ | but they are esentially the same right? |
| 19:31.24 | jelly-home | w3rd_: you can just ignore the sda1p* and sda3p* output |
| 19:31.31 | w3rd_ | i think that i see what you are saying i need to create new partion layouts... it seems that i was successful with the config for /dev/sdb and it looks like it has only one partions... |
| 19:31.31 | w3rd_ | k |
| 19:31.50 | w3rd_ | i was wandering, does debian sparc just have issues with the hardware... is that why it does that? |
| 19:31.52 | jelly-home | w3rd_: what? I see no label on sdb at all. |
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| 19:32.08 | w3rd_ | i just configured /deb/sdb so it wont be on the pastebin |
| 19:32.15 | w3rd_ | per ur advice |
| 19:32.28 | jelly-home | oh |
| 19:32.49 | jelly-home | MalMen: grep -v, man grep. |
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| 19:33.28 | MalMen | thanks |
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| 19:34.44 | rob234 | how can I change video modes with xorg? |
| 19:34.49 | abrotman | !drxx rob234 |
| 19:34.49 | dpkg | rob234: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 19:34.59 | abrotman | or use xrandr if you've already defined them |
| 19:35.19 | rob234 | awesome I'll try that out |
| 19:35.43 | w3rd_ | jelly-home: is there a way to change the disk label so that it doesnt say sun disk label? |
| 19:36.39 | jelly-home | w3rd_: why? openprom only knows how to handle that one partition table format |
| 19:36.51 | w3rd_ | oh i see OBP |
| 19:37.09 | w3rd_ | that is what dictates the name so there is not a way to change it i understand, thanks |
| 19:37.10 | stew | rob234: using xrandr |
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| 19:37.53 | jelly-home | w3rd_: "sun disk label" is a format that sun hardware know how to boot from. you don't want to change it! |
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| 19:38.33 | w3rd_ | i didnt know if i could change on the basis of asthetics... it appears that changing it could be detrimental to the sytem... |
| 19:39.47 | w3rd_ | jelly-home why does the system produce /dev/sda3 ? arent all of the slices on drive /dev/sda all the same? |
| 19:39.53 | jelly-home | w3rd_: that's not a name, that's just a partition table type. There are others, like MS-DOS partition tables (most common on PCs), GPT, etc |
| 19:40.15 | w3rd_ | if i deleted contents for /dev/sda i should have nothing but that one drive and one slice correct? |
| 19:40.31 | jelly-home | w3rd_: that's a feature of sun disk label, the third slice is always the whole disk by default |
| 19:40.34 | w3rd_ | oh... i understand... that has nothing to do with naming |
| 19:40.44 | w3rd_ | oh... |
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| 19:41.07 | w3rd_ | does the third slice have signifigance in regard to disk space? |
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| 19:41.24 | w3rd_ | or does it actually just mirror the data of the other slices? |
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| 19:42.02 | rob234 | I did the reconfigure, I can't get xrandr to work. just gives me usage information. |
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| 19:42.22 | simonrvn | so read it ;) |
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| 19:42.48 | stew | rob234: how are you calling xrandr? |
| 19:42.51 | rob234 | simonrvn: yeah I tried that. didn't work. ;) what's <size>? |
| 19:43.04 | rob234 | stew xrandr -s 1024x768 |
| 19:43.07 | simonrvn | e.g. 800x600 |
| 19:43.15 | stew | rob234: and what happens? |
| 19:43.19 | jelly-home | w3rd_: it's just the usual setup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_disklabel |
| 19:43.47 | rob234 | stew: gives me usage information. |
| 19:44.19 | stew | dunno, works for me. maybe becuase i have a different version |
| 19:44.24 | w3rd_ | i think that i deleted all the contents from the drive.. the system is still letting me navigate cause its hangin on to the old partition table until i reboot... i dont think that a software raid is going to hold up ? |
| 19:44.27 | simonrvn | that's the correct command |
| 19:44.52 | cheekee | oh! oh! I tried to uninstall the fglrx driver and now get the msg "dpkg-divert: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/diversions corrupt: missing altname |
| 19:44.52 | simonrvn | xrandr -v\nServer reports RandR version 1.2 |
| 19:44.59 | rob234 | It's running off of the vga out.. would that matter? |
| 19:45.47 | rob234 | simonrvn: I got 1.1 |
| 19:45.50 | jelly-home | cheekee: sounds like fglrx didn't play well with dpkg. |
| 19:46.18 | jelly-home | cheekee: pastebin "dpkg-divert --list" |
| 19:46.21 | Ergo^ | is it safe to create a backport from experimental ? |
| 19:46.37 | Ergo^ | i want filezilla ftp client and its only in experimental |
| 19:46.40 | beardy | Most likely not. |
| 19:46.50 | jelly-home | Ergo^: creating a backport should be somewhat safe. _using it_, otoh... :-) |
| 19:46.58 | simonrvn | use lftp |
| 19:47.04 | beardy | Or rather, absolutely not. And what jelly-home said.. |
| 19:47.06 | Ergo^ | or can anyone point me to a good gui client for ftp - with editing capabilitioes ? |
| 19:47.33 | SchrodingerSloth | Ergo^, I dont think there is one |
| 19:47.57 | SchrodingerSloth | Ergo^, in my experience, Filezilla is a waste of spce |
| 19:48.04 | Ergo^ | erm... how is that possible in linux land ? ;-) |
| 19:48.17 | SchrodingerSloth | Ergo^, pass. you use it in windows? |
| 19:48.19 | jelly-home | Ergo^: if you're pretty sure this filezilla thingy doesn't touch other packages' stuff, and are prepared to deal with flaky or nonexisting install scripts and other package breakage, you could try it. At your own risk. |
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| 19:48.31 | cheekee | jelly-home: the same. internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/diversions corrupt: missing altname |
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| 19:48.48 | jelly-home | cheekee: interesting. pastebin that whole file, then |
| 19:48.56 | Ergo^ | well it did work very well on windows ( the 3.x) branch , and in sid there is very outdated beta :( |
| 19:49.01 | abrotman | Ergo^: uh .. filezilla is in lenny ? |
| 19:49.02 | abrotman | or was |
| 19:49.06 | SchrodingerSloth | Ergo^, IMO, filezilla is the best GUI FTP client around. In linux it is poor. or at least, the backport version is poor. |
| 19:49.22 | abrotman | there is gftp .. and nautilus and konq can do ftp also |
| 19:49.24 | chops | Ergo^: curlftpfs lets you use an existing GUI filesystem tool of your choice :-) |
| 19:49.25 | SchrodingerSloth | Ergo^, my biggest complaint is that there is no CTRL+R to reconnect. frustrating |
| 19:49.25 | Ergo^ | its in lenny, but beta 2 , while we have like 3.0.8x version |
| 19:49.32 | jelly-home | just uses lftp, or curlftpfs |
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| 19:50.04 | Ergo^ | abrotman: sorry its in sid , not lenny |
| 19:50.06 | Ergo^ | my mistake |
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| 19:50.19 | Ergo^ | experimental has decent packages tho |
| 19:50.19 | jelly-home | curlftpfs is nice... one can boot debian from iso image that's not downloaded :-) |
| 19:50.25 | SchrodingerSloth | Ergo^, gFTP is better. |
| 19:50.48 | Ergo^ | ill take a look at it |
| 19:50.48 | maligor | jelly-home, a vm? |
| 19:50.48 | chops | jelly-home: I would not recommend that. curlftpfs is not notable for its performance characteristics :-) |
| 19:51.01 | jelly-home | Ergo^: there is no "experimental". Package quality in there depends solely on the maintainers and varies wildly |
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| 19:51.11 | cheekee | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/d222198da |
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| 19:51.17 | jelly-home | maligor: a real machine that can boot from a local .iso |
| 19:51.56 | Ergo^ | well if the gnomes ftp would remember ftp connections it would be great |
| 19:52.27 | Ergo^ | oh it does |
| 19:52.35 | Ergo^ | maybe that will do for ftp client ;-) |
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| 19:53.15 | jelly-home | cheekee: weird. delete the empty first line (if your paste is correct), and add a single line at the end saying bitchx-ssl, just like line 4 |
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| 19:54.08 | Xteven | hello |
| 19:54.32 | Xteven | I'm looking for a webbased system to manage websites, mailaccounts and mailinglists |
| 19:54.35 | jelly-home | maligor: most brand name servers have this capability these days, sometimes at extra cost to get a license for it |
| 19:54.44 | Xteven | is there something like it in debian apt ? |
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| 19:56.03 | ma3x | sorry i got vista crash |
| 19:56.23 | jim | what do I need to have imap which looks at a local maildir? |
| 19:56.24 | Ergo^ | starnge.. never had a crash with vista ;-) |
| 19:56.30 | jim | under etch |
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| 19:56.46 | cheekee | jelly-home: after dist-upgrade and error correction "Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/sbin/dpkg-divert line 127, <O> line 8 |
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| 19:57.09 | ma3x_ | gee disconnected again |
| 19:57.17 | chops | Xteven: All I can really tell you is don't use webmin |
| 19:57.30 | stew | Xteven: i don't believe any such thing is in debian |
| 19:57.45 | chops | Xteven: We use a homebrew web frontend here that speaks back to a DB and various files, because when we looked for an existing one we didn't find one :-( |
| 19:57.54 | stew | Xteven: have a look at vhcs2 |
| 19:58.05 | jelly-home | cheekee: maybe you have messed it up somehow (added extra whitespace); try copying diversions-old over the current one |
| 19:58.17 | chops | Xteven: ("one" being a user/permissions management tool) |
| 19:58.52 | Xteven | chops: I've had some bad experiences with webmin aswell |
| 19:58.57 | Xteven | stew: thx, I will |
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| 19:59.43 | jim | webmin may present its content to a web browser, but so far as I know does not manage web sites |
| 20:00.39 | cheekee | jelly-home: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 20:00.53 | Ergo^ | wonders why linux doesnt have a decent ftp client :/ |
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| 20:01.01 | jelly-home | Ergo^: what's wrong with lftp? |
| 20:01.03 | jim | the one bad thing about webmin I've heard that I believe is some of the modules don't work properly |
| 20:01.13 | cheekee | jelly-home: I can't do anymore dist-upgrades ;-( |
| 20:01.44 | simonrvn | nothing wrong with lftp |
| 20:01.47 | NOOBiSAN | where can i find a new repository url or a list of repositories |
| 20:01.56 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: its command line / |
| 20:01.58 | Ergo^ | ? |
| 20:02.08 | jim | NOOBiSAN: www.debian.org |
| 20:02.16 | simonrvn | yeh, so? |
| 20:02.19 | jelly-home | Ergo^: I see no problem with that |
| 20:02.23 | NOOBiSAN | I am looking for libc6 version 2.6 |
| 20:02.29 | cheekee | jelly-home: is there any way of getting Linux to automatically re-configure the file? |
| 20:02.44 | NOOBiSAN | my repository only offers me libc6.2.3.6 |
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| 20:02.50 | jim | NOOBiSAN: what version do you have now? |
| 20:03.23 | jelly-home | cheekee: you could just remove it, only bitchx and bitchx-ssl will be confused |
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| 20:03.32 | DGMurdockIII | http://www.woot.com/Default.aspx 2 gig SD card for $6 |
| 20:03.46 | NOOBiSAN | 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
| 20:03.47 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: its not a problem per se - depends what you want from your client, the only thing usable more or less was midnight commander - im a webdeveloper so sometimes i want to quickly jump in with my client edit file , and save it , without bothering to get, put etc. filezilla was great with that |
| 20:04.27 | jim | NOOBiSAN: what would happen if you upgraded that lib? |
| 20:04.37 | NOOBiSAN | if it offered me to upgrade it |
| 20:04.46 | NOOBiSAN | can I force this |
| 20:04.53 | jelly-home | Ergo^: eh, I have usability problems all over the OS, it's not there yet |
| 20:05.14 | cheekee | jelly-home: you mean if I delete the file and remove bitchx the problem will go away? |
| 20:05.23 | jim | what would happen if you did? here's some hints... how many of your packages are linked to libc6 now? |
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| 20:05.33 | Ergo^ | well gnomes ftp solution would probably do - if it would cache the dirs - so far it was slow as hll for me ;-) |
| 20:05.36 | jelly-home | Ergo^: if you were a command line person, you could use curlftpfs for that... it "mounts" the remote ftp site |
| 20:05.59 | stew | NOOBiSAN: getting a newer libc6 would require you to upgrade to the testing version of debian, which we would not necessarily recommend. why do you want a newer libc6? |
| 20:06.15 | stew | NOOBiSAN: you should probably be backporting a package instead of upgrading libc6 |
| 20:06.32 | Ergo^ | well i could use that i guess, but i would have to store all the clients sites data then in unencrypted form, not very comfortable... heh i know im demanding |
| 20:06.38 | jelly-home | I dislike gnome and kde's vfs solutions because I do most of the work in shell |
| 20:06.42 | NOOBiSAN | well I wantet to try out micropolis |
| 20:06.50 | jelly-home | Ergo^: unencrypted? |
| 20:06.52 | NOOBiSAN | and it only runs on the newer version |
| 20:07.07 | jelly-home | Ergo^: how the hell would filezilla help you with that? |
| 20:07.23 | stew | NOOBiSAN: you should recompile it then |
| 20:07.42 | jim | NOOBiSAN, so how many of your packages do you think are linked to libc6 now? |
| 20:07.43 | NOOBiSAN | still havn't found the repository list on debian.org |
| 20:07.53 | NOOBiSAN | anybody more specific than that |
| 20:07.57 | stew | NOOBiSAN: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:08.00 | Ergo^ | i think i read that it didnt store the data open text, but im not sure |
| 20:08.27 | Ergo^ | well ill have to do some roundups on ftp clients in linux then... |
| 20:08.44 | jelly-home | Ergo^: you can always try wine+whatever :-) |
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| 20:09.05 | Ergo^ | true wine would work ;P |
| 20:09.24 | jelly-home | that's optimistic |
| 20:09.33 | Ergo^ | photoshop works |
| 20:09.41 | Ergo^ | team fortress 2 works ;-) |
| 20:09.45 | NOOBiSAN | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list thanks |
| 20:09.47 | jelly-home | crossover office works. wine... works at times |
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| 20:10.18 | Ergo^ | well so far wine had only good surprises for me , civ4 works ;D |
| 20:10.29 | NOOBiSAN | ERGO photoshop works well?? |
| 20:10.32 | jim | NOOBiSAN: ever had a program and had to have a lib to make it work? |
| 20:10.39 | Ergo^ | no it doesnt work well |
| 20:10.47 | stew | jim: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:10.51 | NOOBiSAN | JIM my name says it all |
| 20:10.58 | Ergo^ | it works well enough to do sophisticated stuff with some patience |
| 20:11.00 | NOOBiSAN | I am NOOB to the debian world |
| 20:11.12 | simonrvn | we know |
| 20:11.16 | jim | NOOBiSAN: and the question still stands... ever had that? |
| 20:11.26 | stew | jim: why are you asking this? |
| 20:11.26 | NOOBiSAN | nope |
| 20:11.41 | Ergo^ | im sitting in appdb helping to catch and iron the bugs |
| 20:11.42 | NOOBiSAN | well now I do |
| 20:11.51 | NOOBiSAN | :) |
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| 20:12.12 | NOOBiSAN | so what do I do jim |
| 20:12.15 | jim | you actually have a lot of programs, most of them dependent on libs |
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| 20:12.25 | NOOBiSAN | well I assume that |
| 20:12.28 | stew | NOOBiSAN: where did you download micropolis from? |
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| 20:12.43 | NOOBiSAN | well its an ubuntu packaged deb |
| 20:12.47 | NOOBiSAN | ;) |
| 20:12.53 | jim | so what would happen if you removed a lib that a program needed? |
| 20:13.06 | Ergo^ | it would crash |
| 20:13.07 | NOOBiSAN | thats all I could find |
| 20:13.07 | stew | jim: what is it that you are trying to do? |
| 20:13.10 | ma3x | does the standard debian etch include support for ahci and intel wireless? |
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| 20:13.23 | NOOBiSAN | jim is trying to ask some smart questions |
| 20:13.23 | stew | NOOBiSAN: you should NOT try to install ubuntu packages directly onto debian. you should 'backport' them so that they match the libs on your system. /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:13.26 | jim | stew: something |
| 20:13.30 | stew | jim: be more specific |
| 20:13.40 | jelly-home | starts windows update in iexplore in cxoffice... "Windows Update has found 22 critical updates for your computer." |
| 20:13.43 | jim | when I'm done, I might |
| 20:13.53 | hotwired | is there a debian package for vmware-tools that anyone knows of ? |
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| 20:14.31 | jim | NOOBiSAN: so if a program didn't have a lib it needed, would you expect it to still work? |
| 20:14.34 | NOOBiSAN | well stew is there a debian-stable micropolis package? if yes where would I look |
| 20:14.52 | NOOBiSAN | That is why I am here JIMBO |
| 20:14.58 | jim | (btw, what does a lib have that makes programs work?) |
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| 20:15.32 | stew | NOOBiSAN: there isn't. you'd have to backport it. "/msg dpkg ssb" but where it says "sid" or "unstable" you'd use a ubuntu source |
| 20:16.04 | simonrvn | jelly-home: hehe |
| 20:16.17 | NOOBiSAN | backporting means exactly what: recompile with libs leaning towards my system |
| 20:16.42 | jelly-home | simonrvn: frankly I didn't expect it to work at all... I'll just get the ie patches :-) |
| 20:16.50 | jim | NOOBiSAN: "leaning toward" is more like "libs whose version you have" |
| 20:16.58 | stew | NOOBiSAN: yes, recompiling against your system so it depends on the versions of the libs available to you |
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| 20:17.16 | simonrvn | yeh. the update h app is all over the place with "windows update" it's weird |
| 20:17.18 | craigevil | NOOBiSAN: take a look at> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=460674 |
| 20:17.18 | NOOBiSAN | great thanks |
| 20:17.56 | cheekee | jelly-home: clearing the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/diversions solved the dist-upgrade problem, but how do I confirm the installed video driver |
| 20:18.00 | cheekee | ? |
| 20:18.08 | jim | NOOBiSAN: just so I know, do you want to learn new stuff? |
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| 20:18.56 | jelly-home | cheekee: log out of X; log in again, check that /etc/X11/xorg.conf has "ati" driver and not "fglrx" |
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| 20:19.31 | NOOBiSAN | sure Jim |
| 20:19.52 | NOOBiSAN | I am just about to try to compile my first kernel |
| 20:19.56 | NOOBiSAN | :) |
| 20:20.09 | stew | NOOBiSAN: why would you compile a kernel? |
| 20:20.10 | jelly-home | cheekee: verify that /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 now points to and existing file, and is not related to fglrx any more |
| 20:20.13 | jim | ok.... so, what I'm trying to do here, is offer you some clues as to what happens if you do certain things to your libs |
| 20:20.15 | NOOBiSAN | for funs sake |
| 20:20.21 | jelly-home | s/and/an/ |
| 20:20.49 | jim | if you find that fun, I don't think you're much of a newbie... |
| 20:21.02 | NOOBiSAN | well I am in a sense |
| 20:21.03 | ShiftOnYou | how can i create a user without any rights?? so that i can give him only right to access to one folder (and only read access) |
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| 20:21.28 | NOOBiSAN | I wouldn't call myself a noob noob but I am also not that advanced |
| 20:21.37 | jim | NOOBiSAN: so what do you think is in a lib, that makes other programs work? how does a lib support programs? |
| 20:21.52 | NOOBiSAN | guess with .so files |
| 20:22.01 | jim | what stuff is in them? |
| 20:22.33 | stew | ShiftOnYou: how is this user goingto login to the machine? |
| 20:22.41 | ShiftOnYou | ssh |
| 20:22.46 | stew | ShiftOnYou: then no |
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| 20:22.53 | stew | ShiftOnYou: you don't do that |
| 20:22.58 | ShiftOnYou | y? |
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| 20:23.46 | valdyn | !library |
| 20:23.48 | stew | ShiftOnYou: becuase they can't login without being able to read lots of stuff from lots of directores, such as /usr/bin/sshd and /bin/bash and lots of files in /lib |
| 20:23.52 | valdyn | oo |
| 20:24.09 | jim | when your user can ssh in, he already has a lot of things he can do even if you try to restrict him in other ways |
| 20:24.16 | ShiftOnYou | stew: so ho do i create a user whit only the minimal rights? |
| 20:24.21 | valdyn | jim: umm |
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| 20:24.43 | stew | ShiftOnYou: if you don't trust a user to be able to read such directories, you shouldn't give them shell access at all |
| 20:24.50 | stew | ShiftOnYou: adduser username |
| 20:24.54 | NOOBiSAN | craigevil thanks for the link |
| 20:25.01 | stew | ShiftOnYou: or define "minimal rights" |
| 20:25.08 | ShiftOnYou | i want him to access over filezilla to the directory |
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| 20:25.29 | ShiftOnYou | in this dir he can view files, ohter files / folders : not :) |
| 20:25.35 | valdyn | jim: he can only do what the shell you give him enables him to do |
| 20:25.58 | craigevil | NOOBiSAN: you can get the download that works without installing from http://www.donhopkins.com/home/micropolis/ |
| 20:26.47 | valdyn | df |
| 20:27.15 | stew | ShiftOnYou: you could setup something like scponly |
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| 20:27.32 | ShiftOnYou | hmmm |
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| 20:28.03 | cheekee | Hmm! Linux is without an app to automatically detect the video driver. Or am I wrong? |
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| 20:28.15 | valdyn | cheekee: you're wrong |
| 20:28.38 | stew | cheekee: you are wrong |
| 20:29.14 | cheekee | valdyn: stew: ok oK! so correct me. what's the app? |
| 20:29.33 | valdyn | cheekee: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
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| 20:30.45 | cheekee | the bash command does sound like an app to me, but I'll give it a go |
| 20:31.02 | stew | cheekee: what is an app? |
| 20:31.15 | abrotman | | |
| 20:31.23 | valdyn | cheekee: apps dont have to look like "winword.exe" |
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| 20:31.38 | abrotman | am i the only one that renamed all his binaries to foo.exe ? |
| 20:31.40 | stew | valdyn: that's a program not an app |
| 20:31.49 | valdyn | oh damn |
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| 20:32.04 | WickedMetalHead | Hm, does debian not have a mysqli package or am i just retarded and missing it |
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| 20:32.25 | abrotman | WickedMetalHead: i don't think that's DFSG-free |
| 20:32.38 | abrotman | !phillysmite WickedMetalHead |
| 20:32.38 | dpkg | obliterates WickedMetalHead with a giant clothespin |
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| 20:32.56 | WickedMetalHead | lol |
| 20:33.12 | stew | giant clothespin? |
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| 20:33.37 | abrotman | stew: across the street from city hall .. the HUGE clothespin |
| 20:33.47 | cheekee | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is like swatting a fly with a grenade-launcher |
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| 20:34.03 | abrotman | stew: http://www.worldofstock.com/closeups/AAB1320.php |
| 20:34.18 | valdyn | cheekee: you just hit enter ~5 times if your hardware is "detected" correctly |
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| 20:34.40 | abrotman | stew: you |
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| 20:34.44 | abrotman | stew: you've never seen that? |
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| 20:34.57 | cheekee | oh boy! you guys luv the hard life |
| 20:34.59 | abrotman | or heard rather |
| 20:35.19 | stew | abrotman: not that I recall. though i must admit i've been pretty successfull at staying the hell away from philly |
| 20:35.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:35.35 | valdyn | cheekee: im sure the developers are open to suggestions to make it easier than hitting enter a few times |
| 20:35.37 | abrotman | stew: you at least know Love park right ? |
| 20:35.44 | stew | abrotman: no? |
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| 20:35.52 | abrotman | really? |
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| 20:36.23 | abrotman | stew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Park .. that sign doesn't look familiar ? |
| 20:36.39 | stew | i've seen it on shopping bags |
| 20:36.47 | NetEcho | is there an app in linux to check for bad sectors on a HDD? |
| 20:36.57 | stew | NetEcho: badblocks |
| 20:36.57 | valdyn | NetEcho: "badblocks" |
| 20:36.58 | abrotman | stew: it was a skateboarding thing .. not sure if you did any of that |
| 20:37.01 | NOOBiSAN | can anybody sugggest a userfriendly irc client |
| 20:37.07 | stew | !best irc client |
| 20:37.07 | dpkg | irssi is, like, the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 20:37.10 | valdyn | !userfriendly |
| 20:37.10 | dpkg | i heard userfriendly is a hilarious computing comic strip which constantly raises Linux to the skies and puts Bill in the mud. It can be found at http://www.userfriendly.org/. |
| 20:37.25 | cheekee | anyway maybe I should try my hand at developing an app that simply says what drivers are running on the system |
| 20:37.27 | valdyn | NOOBiSAN: what do you expect from a user friendly irc program? |
| 20:37.38 | abrotman | clicky! |
| 20:37.40 | stew | cheekee: which drivers are currently being used? |
| 20:37.48 | NOOBiSAN | pidgin windows |
| 20:37.48 | stew | NOOBiSAN: if you like clicky interfaces, try xchat |
| 20:37.54 | stew | NOOBiSAN: then use pidgin |
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| 20:38.18 | NOOBiSAN | where would I find it for debian |
| 20:38.23 | NOOBiSAN | or would you compile it |
| 20:38.26 | NOOBiSAN | into etch |
| 20:38.27 | stew | NOOBiSAN: backports.org |
| 20:38.31 | abrotman | he can use gaim |
| 20:38.38 | abrotman | and i don't think pidgin is at bpo yet |
| 20:38.38 | NetEcho | Pidgin = gaim |
| 20:38.39 | NOOBiSAN | oh thats right |
| 20:38.39 | valdyn | NOOBiSAN: just installing gaim should do it |
| 20:38.43 | stew | abrotman: i do |
| 20:38.48 | abrotman | stew: finally? |
| 20:38.48 | NOOBiSAN | gaim is pidgin in etch |
| 20:38.57 | stew | abrotman: yes? |
| 20:39.12 | abrotman | stew: http://packages.debian.org/pidgin |
| 20:39.13 | stew | NOOBiSAN: etch was released before the project was renamed to pidgin |
| 20:39.18 | cheekee | stew: yes |
| 20:39.30 | abrotman | oh damn .. missed it .. |
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| 20:39.32 | abrotman | stew: ignore me |
| 20:39.44 | NetEcho | I rather use aMSN |
| 20:39.45 | stew | cheekee: you can easily see that in the logfile |
| 20:39.52 | NetEcho | well for MSN that is |
| 20:39.57 | NetEcho | IRSSI or xchat for IRC |
| 20:40.19 | abrotman | NetEcho: finch ? |
| 20:41.01 | NetEcho | if I wanted commant line MSN i'd use bitlbee |
| 20:41.59 | abrotman | i keep forgetting amsn isn't CLI |
| 20:42.31 | NetEcho | lol |
| 20:42.42 | NetEcho | yea its almost to the point of looking like Windows Live messenger lol |
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| 20:44.15 | gigo | i installed the xine-ui but I am not able to play FLV files. what more do I need to install? |
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| 20:44.53 | gigo | I get this error, "The audio device is unavailable". Please help me to fix it. |
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| 20:46.25 | cheekee | stew: ok I'll check |
| 20:47.18 | NOOBiSAN | yes i know |
| 20:47.37 | NOOBiSAN | so is there some pidgin in gaim |
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| 20:48.34 | gigo | "The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured." - please help me to fix this. |
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| 20:49.24 | JoeThomas | Hi, I am running dwm, so I don't have any gnome preferences for adding fonts and what not, yet I want to get ProFont or ProggyTiny fonts working on my machine. Still having trouble doing so. |
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| 20:54.43 | dorje | I am doing a fresh install off CD. It a server with new MB and chipset. Driver is not supported. I built my newtork driver and have the resulting .ko file. |
| 20:55.25 | dorje | I put the driver.ko on floppy. Install complains it does not see a driver on the floppy. |
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| 20:56.33 | dorje | Is the .ko file sufficient? Where do I get details on building and installing drivers? |
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| 20:57.17 | cheekee | stew: To check whether the fglrx driver had been removed, I waded through about 200 lines of text in Xorg.0.log, and am still confused. Is there a simpler way? |
| 20:57.20 | jim | stew: so what I was doing before (and which I finished doing successfully), was to let him think through the consequences of doing a libc6 upgrade |
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| 20:59.58 | lunaphyte_ | jelly-home, chops: thanks, that was it. the z25 config had the old mac addresses. |
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| 21:00.23 | chops | lunaphyte_: np |
| 21:00.46 | chops | cheekee: Install it in the Debian way next time is the easier way :-/ |
| 21:01.18 | chops | cheekee: You can try to use 'cruft' or the like to find stray files, but it's pretty difficult in general to completely uninstall things that have been installed without package management |
| 21:01.27 | cheekee | chops: Lol.....a bit late for that :-) |
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| 21:02.16 | Daveman | yay, laptop shopping! |
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| 21:03.10 | jim | let's see... 34... 23... 35... OK, I'm ready to order my laptop! |
| 21:03.46 | NickBurnsSNL | Greetings to all ... |
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| 21:03.56 | NickBurnsSNL | Anyone have a link/recipe to clean up /boot? I have no less than 7 kernel version (and their associated files) in there, and I want to clear these up to the latest working version, without having any problems of course ;) |
| 21:04.02 | Daveman | haha now if only I knew what I wanted ;) |
| 21:04.23 | JoeThomas | Daveman: *cough* macbook pro *cough* |
| 21:04.26 | JoeThomas | :) |
| 21:05.09 | Daveman | heh |
| 21:05.14 | Daveman | yeah? |
| 21:05.17 | Daveman | how's it run lenny? |
| 21:05.39 | JoeThomas | I don't run lenny on it |
| 21:05.44 | Daveman | rolls his eyes |
| 21:05.51 | JoeThomas | I just have multiple machines, stopped using dualboots and bootcamp. |
| 21:05.51 | abrotman | Daveman: FWIW .. lenovo is having a pretty good sale on thinkpads |
| 21:05.55 | Daveman | Yeah... sorry Thomas, I don't swing that way ;p |
| 21:06.01 | Daveman | abrotman, heh |
| 21:06.03 | Daveman | yeah? |
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| 21:06.23 | abrotman | Daveman: i configured a fairly decent T61 for a bit over 1k |
| 21:06.23 | Daveman | Are the latest line flame retardant? |
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| 21:06.31 | Daveman | hmm |
| 21:06.46 | DeathWolf | lilo doesnt seem to do anything => what to do? |
| 21:06.49 | abrotman | Daveman: and no .. i haven't bought one .. yet |
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| 21:06.57 | Daveman | heh |
| 21:07.00 | DeathWolf | (it's "frozen") |
| 21:07.08 | Daveman | abrotman, well honestly, I've never been a fan of their design. |
| 21:07.17 | mhall | I have a file which contains \r\n\r\n characters by mistake. How can I repair it by replacing all instances of \r\n\r\n with \r\n? |
| 21:07.26 | Daveman | and furthermore, they seem to be under the misconception that most of the market adores it. |
| 21:07.28 | mhall | tr is not enough it seems |
| 21:07.28 | abrotman | Daveman: i prefer function over form :) |
| 21:07.42 | Daveman | Hence I don't believe it's changed radically over the past eight to ten years. |
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| 21:07.51 | Daveman | abrotman, myself included. |
| 21:08.06 | Daveman | Then again, I also don't want ugly useless shit on a piece of electronics I own, if I don't have to have it ;) |
| 21:08.09 | abrotman | Daveman: for me function ~= works with linux .. and they have a damn good track record there |
| 21:08.14 | Daveman | e.g. cellphone cameras :P |
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| 21:08.27 | cab46 | hi |
| 21:08.30 | Daveman | abrotman, yeah :) |
| 21:08.33 | cab46 | how can install skype on debian etch for sparc ? |
| 21:08.33 | Daveman | that's true :) |
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| 21:08.45 | abrotman | cab46: it's binary only .. seriously doubt you can |
| 21:08.46 | Daveman | hmm, I wonder how cheap they're tossing 'em out these days... |
| 21:08.47 | cheekee | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.49 | nkuttler | cab46: uuuuuuh..... |
| 21:09.05 | abrotman | Daveman: my G40 that i got four years ago .. everything works out of the box with etch |
| 21:09.13 | Daveman | sweet :] |
| 21:09.15 | abrotman | oh .. except the goofy winmodem |
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| 21:09.20 | Daveman | pfft :P |
| 21:09.25 | Daveman | winmodem? who neds that! |
| 21:09.26 | ephesius | hey guys I'm trying to setup a server at my school and my etch box won't get a dhcp address any ideas |
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| 21:09.36 | abrotman | though they may have fixed that in lenny ( i haven't tried) |
| 21:09.40 | abrotman | mhall: ask #sed |
| 21:10.02 | nkuttler | ephesius: are you sure there is a dhcp server? checked the cables etc? ran dhclient? |
| 21:10.11 | Daveman | shit |
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| 21:10.33 | Daveman | if only batteries didn't suck so badly |
| 21:10.34 | nkuttler | who needs modems anyway... |
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| 21:10.57 | ephesius | nkuttler: yea im on my laptop now...I have ubuntu 7.10 and it connected over dhcp with the same cable I've only done static setups before how would i run dhclient |
| 21:11.30 | nkuttler | ephesius: sound like a #ubuntu question to me... but you'd run it from the command line after installing it |
| 21:11.42 | Daveman | damn, they're all dual core crap |
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| 21:11.49 | abrotman | Daveman: what's wrong with that? |
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| 21:12.17 | nkuttler | ephesius: after that, see man 5 interfaces |
| 21:12.21 | ephesius | nkuttler: i have etch on the server which isn't working...i tested the connection on a different box but i am trying to connect from debian etch...are there any options i would have to run |
| 21:12.54 | Daveman | abrotman, it blows |
| 21:13.08 | Daveman | for what I'm looking for, it'd just be a waste of juice |
| 21:13.21 | nkuttler | ephesius: just run dhclient |
| 21:13.27 | Daveman | :\ |
| 21:13.55 | ephesius | nkuttler: its not working its going to 255.255.255.255 does it matter that the netmask is usualy 255.255.255.128 |
| 21:14.08 | abrotman | Daveman: eeepeeceee ? |
| 21:15.36 | nkuttler | ephesius: no |
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| 21:16.10 | ephesius | nkuttler: hmmm this is very odd I don't get why it isn't working oh well ill check out the manpages |
| 21:16.37 | nkuttler | ephesius: sounds like a hardware problem to me. hook your laptop to the server's cable and try |
| 21:17.19 | ephesius | nkuttler: well it got dhcp when it was connected to my router i just wanna hook it straight to the wall now |
| 21:17.35 | ShiftOnYou | how can i add a directory to a chroot, created with makejail? |
| 21:17.37 | Daveman | abrotman, what? :) |
| 21:18.22 | NOOBiSAN | what is a good repository set up? |
| 21:18.28 | abrotman | Daveman: eePC or whatever itis |
| 21:18.31 | NOOBiSAN | in the sources.list |
| 21:18.41 | abrotman | !eeePC |
| 21:18.41 | dpkg | http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net |
| 21:18.41 | nkuttler | NOOBiSAN: define good |
| 21:18.44 | Daveman | heh |
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| 21:18.52 | NOOBiSAN | well what is needed |
| 21:19.02 | nkuttler | NOOBiSAN: define what is needed |
| 21:19.03 | stew | !sources.list |
| 21:19.03 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 21:19.44 | NOOBiSAN | yes I know dpkg |
| 21:19.52 | abrotman | dpkg: greet NOOBiSAN |
| 21:19.52 | dpkg | Salutations, NOOBiSAN |
| 21:20.12 | NOOBiSAN | greets |
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| 21:20.45 | NOOBiSAN | it seems my repository that I have right now does not support main or non-free packages |
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| 21:21.03 | Daveman | Abrotman, how cute :) |
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| 21:21.19 | abrotman | Daveman: you were saying about using too much juice .. supposedly you can get debian on it |
| 21:21.23 | nkuttler | NOOBiSAN: paste it |
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| 21:22.37 | Daveman | yeah supposedly |
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| 21:22.48 | Daveman | abrotman, though they advertize a shitty celled battery with it |
| 21:22.53 | Daveman | and I wonder how failicious it is |
| 21:23.00 | Daveman | nonetheless, it's interesting :p |
| 21:23.06 | Daveman | not to mention adorable ;) |
| 21:23.09 | NOOBiSAN | nk where to |
| 21:23.16 | Daveman | (so long as I wouldn't be force to use their child OS) :P |
| 21:23.39 | NOOBiSAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.39 | NOOBiSAN | Fetched 1B in 2s (0B/s) |
| 21:23.39 | NOOBiSAN | Failed to fetch http://mirror.switch.sh/ftp/pub/Linux/debian/dists/etch/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'mirror.switch.sh' |
| 21:23.39 | NOOBiSAN | Failed to fetch http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/pub/Linux/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 130.59.10.34 80] |
| 21:23.39 | *** kick/#debian [NOOBiSAN!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 21:24.03 | nkuttler | ... |
| 21:24.17 | ShiftOnYou | how can i add a directory to a chroot, created with makejail? |
| 21:24.33 | nkuttler | ShiftOnYou: mkdir? just a guess |
| 21:24.50 | ShiftOnYou | ok, but a link to a file outside of the chroot xD |
| 21:25.04 | nkuttler | that sounds wrong somehow |
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| 21:25.30 | Daveman | it is somewhat pitiful, given the pricetag though :\ |
| 21:25.32 | ShiftOnYou | i know... but i dont want to cp all my files into that dir... so a link would be the simplest way :/ |
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| 21:25.48 | NOOBiSAN | nk how do I paste in irc |
| 21:25.52 | Daveman | then agian, they probably just dumped a shitload of their company into trying to market it :p |
| 21:25.55 | nkuttler | NOOBiSAN: /topic |
| 21:26.20 | Mantaar | Daveman: well, it's hip. And it's pretty much the only such thing around. Explains the price tag. |
| 21:26.31 | nkuttler | NOOBiSAN: btw, that error was pretty clear, wasn't it? |
| 21:26.32 | Mantaar | Thought about gettin a used laptop? |
| 21:26.40 | NOOBiSAN | well I fixed it |
| 21:26.44 | NOOBiSAN | the sh |
| 21:26.48 | Daveman | hah! |
| 21:26.51 | Daveman | Mantaar, haha yeah, totally. |
| 21:27.14 | Daveman | notebooks nowadays are some of the worst pieces of shit I've ever seen |
| 21:27.31 | nkuttler | NOOBiSAN: try install netselect-apt, get it from pdo |
| 21:27.35 | Daveman | in many respects |
| 21:27.40 | nkuttler | NOOBiSAN: and don't /msg me, thanks |
| 21:27.58 | pgpkeys | readies the nuke against the other Dave |
| 21:28.07 | NOOBiSAN | k |
| 21:28.18 | NOOBiSAN | sry |
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| 21:28.23 | Daveman | rolls his eyes at pgpkeys |
| 21:28.26 | abrotman | Daveman: beggar? chooser? ;) |
| 21:28.27 | pgpkeys | hehe |
| 21:28.47 | pgpkeys | hey you're the one that wanted to pull a sword at a nuke fight |
| 21:28.51 | Daveman | :p |
| 21:28.53 | abrotman | Mantaar: there are a few competitors |
| 21:28.55 | nkuttler | Could not resolve 'mirror.switch.sh' |
| 21:29.03 | nkuttler | try ftp.TLD.debian.org |
| 21:29.03 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, like what, if you don't mind my asking |
| 21:29.08 | NOOBiSAN | yes I fixed that |
| 21:29.12 | NOOBiSAN | that was an earlier error |
| 21:29.22 | NOOBiSAN | i have ch |
| 21:29.31 | nkuttler | NOOBiSAN: so paste your sources.list... see /topic for how to paste |
| 21:29.43 | Mantaar | Yeah, though not widely known. Seems Asus managed to leap ahead. I'm thinking of getting one, too. Or a used laptop |
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| 21:30.16 | Daveman | Schrodinger, are you seriously asking? |
| 21:30.32 | Mantaar | portable low-end machines are crap. And portable high-end machines are more expensive than their weight in Platin.. :-\ |
| 21:30.34 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, yeah - I'm just curious |
| 21:30.58 | Mantaar | *platinum... duh. |
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| 21:31.05 | SchrodingerSloth | Mantaar, that is the price of portability... |
| 21:31.13 | spacegoose | hi folks.. |
| 21:31.20 | Daveman | Materials, noise, channel interference, finish, keyboards, chasis alignment, for starters |
| 21:31.32 | NOOBiSAN | I gave to dpkg |
| 21:31.55 | Daveman | I'm sure I could formulate a more lengthy list of complaints and grievances. |
| 21:31.57 | nkuttler | !tell NOOBiSAN about paster |
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| 21:32.04 | spacegoose | dudes... if my system partition is reiserfs, and has 2 corruptions, ... can i fix it with --rebuild-tree and be able to run the OS again? |
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| 21:32.48 | NOOBiSAN | how can I paste my sources.list |
| 21:32.53 | Mantaar | Daveman: my Samsung recently died. 1,5 years old. And an expensive bitch that was. Never gonna put so much money into one o' dem buggers again. |
| 21:32.55 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, isnt there the same price/quality curve in laptops as there is in desktops? |
| 21:33.09 | Daveman | hardly |
| 21:33.20 | Mantaar | spacegoose: do you have a seperate /home partition with your critical data on it? |
| 21:33.25 | Daveman | Honestly, no thought or financial investment goes into design and parts nowadays |
| 21:33.35 | Daveman | it's magnitudes worse for notebooks |
| 21:33.54 | nkuttler | NOOBiSAN: .... http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:33.59 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, Mantaar - I'm still running an inspiron 6000 which is a couple of years old now - it runs windows, but i use it often, it gets smacked about, and i've never had the slightest problem with it. for £600 at the time, IMO - its been worth its weight in platinum |
| 21:34.00 | Daveman | though I'm sure desktops are terrible too, but they're not exactly moved around a lot or sat on, dropped, or put your ear next to :p |
| 21:34.17 | Daveman | Nice. |
| 21:34.21 | Spec | abrotman: any chance you wanna enlighten me on an output field from bonnie++? |
| 21:34.27 | Daveman | I can't say the same about their latest line of inspirons ;p |
| 21:35.06 | nkuttler | has a thinkpad t41 ... more than enough horsepower for a laptop |
| 21:35.07 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, its a shitty budget laptop - but... I spent a pretty penny on my desktop so it would last - and it has - but as you said, I effectively expect a lot less from it. |
| 21:35.12 | pingouin_ | how can i allow root to lauch a software that have X gui under the session of a simple user ? |
| 21:35.27 | Daveman | yeah :) |
| 21:35.28 | NOOBiSAN | okay got it |
| 21:35.29 | Spec | pingouin_: as the user, do xhost + |
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| 21:35.33 | NOOBiSAN | ? |
| 21:35.33 | Daveman | comforts Schrodinger |
| 21:35.36 | nkuttler | pingouin_: why would you want to do that? |
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| 21:35.38 | Spec | pingouin_: and as root, do export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 21:36.00 | jelly-home | pingouin_: use sux, gksu or gksudo |
| 21:36.04 | ttyS1 | what program can I use to open a rar file ? |
| 21:36.12 | nkuttler | ttyS1: unrar |
| 21:36.13 | Daveman | plus honestly, I've seen some of -the- worst keyboard layouts in my lifetime over the past couple months. |
| 21:36.13 | Spec | unrar |
| 21:36.15 | pingouin_ | nkuttler: to install a software |
| 21:36.20 | Mantaar | ttyS1: apt-get install unrar |
| 21:36.22 | Daveman | What the fuck are some of these manufacturers thinking? |
| 21:36.23 | jelly-home | Spec: xhost + is not a smart idea |
| 21:36.32 | Spec | jelly-home: neither is running X programs as root |
| 21:36.32 | pingouin_ | nkuttler: i must log out from user, than lauch x under root etc.... |
| 21:36.37 | nkuttler | pingouin_: what sofrware? |
| 21:36.39 | Daveman | When did squished/shrunken keys in mismatched areas become the new fad? |
| 21:36.43 | Mantaar | Daveman: You're not likely to understand it - it'll be Chinese all the way. |
| 21:36.45 | pingouin_ | nkuttler: seamonkey |
| 21:36.52 | Daveman | If only. |
| 21:36.53 | nkuttler | ouch |
| 21:36.54 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, I'll give you that. Mind you, I tried an EZ-reach. that lasted about 10 minutes. impossible to write code from |
| 21:37.05 | Daveman | Yeah :( |
| 21:37.05 | jelly-home | Spec: ah yes, justifying one dumb move with another! |
| 21:37.16 | Daveman | I mean seriously, to me, keyboard is everything nowadays. |
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| 21:37.17 | nkuttler | pingouin_: you don't need to be root for that... |
| 21:37.26 | pingouin_ | nkuttler: i do |
| 21:37.27 | Gryfelhase | I use a ps/2 keyboard on a usb-hub with build in ps/2 converters on my laptop :) |
| 21:37.35 | Spec | jelly-home: i don't see a problem |
| 21:37.39 | pingouin_ | nkuttler: when i lauch the installer, i doesnt wnat to open |
| 21:37.41 | Daveman | I might be able to get a top of the line, ooh la la notebook with all that for $500-600 but fuck me, if I can't type worth a damn, how am I ever going to get any work done on it? |
| 21:37.47 | Daveman | :( |
| 21:37.49 | nkuttler | pingouin_: whatever... /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
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| 21:37.56 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, its not a laptop keyboard, but the one I am using now - and this is probably 3 or 4 years old, and i wouldnt swap it for the world, is a gyration radio keyboard. |
| 21:38.05 | ttyS1 | unrar-free doesn't seem to work |
| 21:38.06 | Daveman | yeah |
| 21:38.06 | NOOBiSAN | nk did you get it |
| 21:38.08 | Daveman | :D |
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| 21:38.15 | ttyS1 | the package says: Unrar can extract files from .rar archives. Can't handle archives in the |
| 21:38.15 | ttyS1 | RAR 3.0 format, only the non-free "unrar" package can do that. |
| 21:38.19 | nkuttler | ttyS1: so get the evil one |
| 21:38.26 | ttyS1 | hehe |
| 21:38.35 | Spec | pingouin_: the easiest way is to just launch it with sudo |
| 21:38.36 | ttyS1 | nkuttler: which is the evil one ? |
| 21:38.40 | jelly-home | Spec: xhost is a wide open hole for other local users (and if X is listening on a tcp port, for remote users as well) |
| 21:38.41 | pingouin_ | nkuttler: can you ask dpkg to told me about mit-magic-cookie please, this bot is racist and never awsered to me ;) |
| 21:38.44 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, but it cost a lot when I bought it, and the accompanying gyro-mouse broke about a year ago. even so - well worth the cash |
| 21:38.52 | jelly-home | just use sux |
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| 21:39.09 | nkuttler | !tell pingouin_ about mit-magic-cookie |
| 21:39.09 | Daveman | aw |
| 21:39.19 | pingouin_ | thanks nkuttler |
| 21:39.33 | nkuttler | ttyS1: i guess /msg dpkg non-free |
| 21:39.51 | Daveman | Schrodinger, it's sad though, I wanted to move towards a really small, ultra-portable device, however... keyboards and battery life has thus far thrwarted any practical attempt to do so... |
| 21:39.52 | nkuttler | ttyS1: unrar-nonfree here |
| 21:39.55 | pingouin_ | seem to be a little bit complicated all that..finnaly |
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| 21:40.04 | pingouin_ | guest the fastest way i to log as root |
| 21:40.05 | ttyS1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.11 | pingouin_ | thanks anyway |
| 21:40.15 | nkuttler | oh wait, i don't have unrar installed... no idea |
| 21:40.24 | Daveman | I'd even be willing to settle with a shitty finish, display, and size/weight if it had juice and a usable keyboard layout |
| 21:40.26 | Daveman | :\ |
| 21:40.27 | NOOBiSAN | nkuttler found the problem |
| 21:40.29 | nkuttler | pingouin_: no! don't do that! |
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| 21:40.33 | NOOBiSAN | thanks |
| 21:40.45 | nkuttler | brings the herring back to the fridge |
| 21:40.46 | spacegoose | thanks Mantaar |
| 21:40.48 | SchrodingerSloth | has anyone got hold of one of the $100 laptops ? |
| 21:40.57 | SchrodingerSloth | or were they $199? cant remember |
| 21:41.02 | Mantaar | Daveman: you won't find acceptable keyboards in a subnotebook anytime soon. |
| 21:41.11 | Mantaar | Not before the advent of holographic keyboards. |
| 21:41.15 | Daveman | sadly no |
| 21:41.26 | Daveman | no, but what's sad is |
| 21:41.39 | Daveman | if they just shrunk the keys proportionally, I wouldn't be complaining as much |
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| 21:41.47 | Daveman | alas |
| 21:41.50 | Mantaar | SchrodingerSloth: You mean the OLPC stuff? |
| 21:42.35 | Mantaar | Daveman: *I* would certainly mind. /me's a Bass-player. Huge fingers and stuff, y'know ;-) Don't like small keys. |
| 21:42.48 | Daveman | haha yeah |
| 21:42.58 | Daveman | see, my advantage is I have small nimble fingers |
| 21:43.03 | SchrodingerSloth | Mantaar, yeah, thats the one |
| 21:43.06 | Daveman | and have been used to small keys for many years |
| 21:43.10 | Daveman | so I wouldn't complain that much |
| 21:43.14 | Daveman | so long as shit is all proportional |
| 21:43.32 | Daveman | I can't type when 1/17th of the keys are shrunken and/or stuck in awkward places, etc |
| 21:43.45 | abrotman | Spec: there aren't any docs? i'm about to head out? |
| 21:44.02 | Mantaar | SchrodingerSloth: I think they weren't really destined for us rich asses in the western hemisphere. More educational stuff for Africa and S-America |
| 21:44.05 | Daveman | Where's the consumer reports for debian developers? ;) |
| 21:44.22 | Mantaar | ... so, no. Never seen one. |
| 21:44.27 | SchrodingerSloth | Mantaar, I thought the idea was - you buy one, and some kid in africa gets one free. |
| 21:44.43 | Mantaar | Sounds like a nice idea... |
| 21:44.47 | SchrodingerSloth | Mantaar, I was impressed with the feature list when i saw it |
| 21:44.48 | pingouin_ | sorry nkuttler , but the trick dpkg told me doest work |
| 21:44.51 | nkuttler | SchrodingerSloth: or asia, or america,... maybe even more |
| 21:44.52 | pingouin_ | so must be root |
| 21:45.03 | SchrodingerSloth | Mantaar, but - I think you'd need a whole load of them to do anything worthwhile |
| 21:45.10 | pingouin_ | i know it's bad, but it's just for fews seconds |
| 21:45.22 | SchrodingerSloth | nkuttler, it's a worthy cause, whatever continent |
| 21:45.38 | nkuttler | SchrodingerSloth: i won't argue with that |
| 21:46.05 | Mantaar | nkuttler: I was just trying to use stereotypes. I'm not saying I'm good at that. |
| 21:46.06 | Mantaar | :-) |
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| 21:47.07 | strav | eh. Open office in sid... package broken or? |
| 21:47.31 | nkuttler | strav: you tell us |
| 21:47.58 | Daveman | OH, and that's another thing I don't want (hence the disdain towards he hellacore pcs), is a notebook, for once, that doesn't scream and whine just because it's fucking sitting their idling :) |
| 21:48.11 | Daveman | I'd rather take the 300MHz celeron, thanks :) |
| 21:48.24 | abrotman | Daveman: look for a via CPU notebook ? |
| 21:48.27 | abrotman | or ask ##hardware |
| 21:48.39 | merlijn | Hello, I'm looking to speak with someone of the debian gsoc team concerning the netconf idea, #debian-soc seems a little dead, is anybody here available? |
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| 21:49.12 | Daveman | abrotman, and shorten the "conversation" here? ;) |
| 21:49.15 | abrotman | merlijn: did you try on OFTC ? |
| 21:49.16 | abrotman | !ot |
| 21:49.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 21:49.19 | abrotman | Daveman: yeah? :) |
| 21:49.21 | Daveman | tosses abrotman a cold beer |
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| 21:49.50 | merlijn | abrotman: no i haven't yet, thank you. |
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| 21:50.08 | abrotman | !tell V about root |
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| 21:50.39 | streuner | V: log out and back in as user, otherwise you cannot speak here |
| 21:50.56 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, is there a silent laptop available? |
| 21:51.00 | abrotman | merlijn: http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2008?highlight=%28Summer%29#head-b775ad5a48a477bcf04afe76deb035a6db1c4703 |
| 21:51.08 | Mantaar | duh. what should I install for glib-gettext headers? I have autotools-dev, gettext{,-base,-doc}, but this autconf script still says it can't find glib-gettextize... |
| 21:51.16 | Daveman | schrodinger, yeah, sure |
| 21:51.26 | Daveman | but under $2000 in today's market? |
| 21:51.28 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 21:51.40 | dorje | Is this the place to ask ETCH install questions? |
| 21:51.43 | strav | nkuttler, openoffice.org-core is of version 2.4.0~rc6-1 while openoffice.org-common is version 2.4.0-1 (writer and such are all rc) |
| 21:51.49 | Daveman | I have several, unfortunately they're many years old |
| 21:51.52 | streuner | dorje: sure |
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| 21:52.35 | dorje | I have a 64bit motherboard with a driver that is not included in the etch package. |
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| 21:52.47 | Daveman | Schrodinger, clue me in if you have new information, though :) |
| 21:52.53 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, yeah. my laptop is noisier than my dual oppie desktop. |
| 21:52.56 | |seb| | is eth0:0, eth0:1 stuff to have multiple IPs on same NIC? |
| 21:53.01 | dorje | I compiled the driver on another etch machine. It generated a driver.ko file. |
| 21:53.08 | Administrador | compiz fusion works with debian? |
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| 21:53.19 | Madd_Matt | Administrador, yes. |
| 21:53.22 | strav | Administrador, it does. |
| 21:53.28 | SchrodingerSloth | Administrador, it depends what you mean by 'works' |
| 21:53.38 | SchrodingerSloth | Administrador, it works as well as it works anywhere else, i guess |
| 21:53.42 | dorje | I put the .ko on a ext2 floppy. But installer does not recognize it. |
| 21:53.52 | Daveman | schrodinger, unacceptable! |
| 21:53.58 | Madd_Matt | I think SchrodingerSloth's answer was the best :-P |
| 21:54.18 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, no! |
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| 21:54.19 | dorje | Does the driver (and any other files) go into a specific folder? Need any support files? |
| 21:54.24 | Daveman | seriously, I may just pick up one of those PCPEE thingies that abroman alluded to just due to that |
| 21:54.25 | thechef | konqueror crashes at acid3 test |
| 21:54.33 | Daveman | haha I wonder what the keyboard layout is like... hahaha |
| 21:54.41 | strav | Mantaar, if you wish to compile, make sure you install the -dev packages. |
| 21:54.55 | Administrador | thank you guys |
| 21:54.55 | SchrodingerSloth | Dave2, I'm lloking at a photo - it actually *looks* okay |
| 21:55.02 | SchrodingerSloth | oops. |
| 21:55.05 | Daveman | :o |
| 21:55.08 | Daveman | Really now? |
| 21:55.12 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, I'm looking at a photo - it actually *looks* okay |
| 21:55.17 | Daveman | Your observations intrigue me... |
| 21:55.25 | strav | anyone recently updated openoffice on sid? |
| 21:55.27 | Mantaar | strav: thanks allright. I'm not really looking for -dev pkgs, though. I need the glib-gettexize binary (besides, I *have* the -dev stuff)... |
| 21:55.35 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:55.35 | dpkg | -dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! One of our staffer used brackets in a kline, and this caused the servers to crash. We're working on an immediate fix for this problem, and hopefully will have something as soon as possible. I'm very sorry for the interuptions that this has caused, and thank you all for your patience. |
| 21:55.42 | Madd_Matt | |seb|, yes, that exactly what its for. |
| 21:55.45 | SchrodingerSloth | why does tab completion in xchat not give you the last poster with that start to their handle? grr |
| 21:55.54 | Daveman | haha finally he admits the truth! |
| 21:55.55 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 21:55.58 | tomaw | haha |
| 21:56.03 | tomaw | dpkg++ |
| 21:56.03 | Supaplex | because irssi > xchat ;) |
| 21:56.04 | Daveman | Yeah, I was waiting for that one. |
| 21:56.09 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, http://www.pcpro.co.uk/picture_library/dir_139/it_portal_pic_69882.jpg?3190 |
| 21:56.17 | Madd_Matt | Irssi ftw! (I'm using xchat) |
| 21:56.26 | Daveman | high-fives Supaplex |
| 21:56.32 | jugglinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.34 | dorje | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.54 | Daveman | http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/24539.jpg |
| 21:57.11 | Mantaar | jugglinx: what does 'sudo ifconfig -a give you'? |
| 21:57.15 | Daveman | hrm |
| 21:57.28 | strav | Mantaar, try "locate glib-gettextize", it should give you something in /usr/bin (I does here) |
| 21:57.31 | Daveman | could be worse... I suppose :p |
| 21:57.31 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 21:57.34 | SchrodingerSloth | be fair - its a gj |
| 21:57.49 | Daveman | haha |
| 21:57.51 | SchrodingerSloth | although - those keys do look like a fly could break them |
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| 21:57.53 | Mantaar | jugglinx: 'sudo iwlist wlan0 scan' could also help.. |
| 21:57.54 | jugglinx | one seac... i will paste it in somewhere Mantaar |
| 21:58.00 | Daveman | though I think they wasted display space |
| 21:58.13 | infernal_jesus | haha |
| 21:58.13 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, for *sure* |
| 21:58.19 | streuner | dorje: what kind of driver is that? |
| 21:58.25 | SchrodingerSloth | nice big black frame... |
| 21:58.25 | Daveman | yeah, plus no offense |
| 21:58.38 | Daveman | but I'm not looking for a computer which can make noises |
| 21:58.50 | Mantaar | strav: Only if the package is installed. Since I don't have gnome, that's not here for me by default. |
| 21:58.51 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, don't worry, I didn't make it |
| 21:58.59 | Daveman | :) |
| 21:59.09 | dorje | intel gb ethernet igb-1.2.x |
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| 21:59.17 | dorje | intel igb ethernet igb-1.2.x |
| 21:59.21 | Mantaar | strav: could you please try to find out (apt-file should do the trick) which package it belongs to? I just don't know what to install :-( |
| 21:59.21 | jugglinx | Mantaar, http://rafb.net/p/e9RM2r40.html |
| 21:59.22 | strav | Mantaar, of course but I wanted to know if you did installed it. |
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| 21:59.46 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, I do think they are quite cool, but in the same way I think an ipod is quite cool. Nice idea, but in practical terms, utterly useless (for me) |
| 21:59.58 | streuner | dorje: ok, what does 'lspci -v | grep eth' say? |
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| 22:00.35 | jugglinx | Mantaar, http://rafb.net/p/wmeQZn50.html |
| 22:00.43 | streuner | dorje: ok, what does 'lspci -v | grep -i eth' say? |
| 22:00.44 | Daveman | haha, sweet! http://www.devicepedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/asus_eee_pc_inside.jpg |
| 22:00.58 | dorje | I am building on 1 machine, then moving the .ko to floppy for an install on another. |
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| 22:01.05 | Daveman | Schrodinger, yeah |
| 22:01.09 | dorje | Running install am at the NIC section. |
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| 22:01.20 | Daveman | I'm still rockin' teh md ;p |
| 22:01.22 | strav | Mantaar, perhaps libglib2.0 |
| 22:01.24 | Daveman | ATRAC FOREVER! |
| 22:01.25 | Mantaar | jugglinx: good news: your card is most likely working perfectly fine! bad news: now you have to tell stupid KDE about it. worse news: I can't help you with that :-( |
| 22:01.27 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, by which I mean I never have need for portable mp3s. office has pcs, home has stero, car has stero. |
| 22:01.28 | jugglinx | Mantaar, in the scan i can see the network |
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| 22:01.35 | Daveman | yep :) |
| 22:01.37 | dorje | Do you want me to go to another console and type 'lspci -v | grep -i eth' |
| 22:01.47 | adama | uname -r shows 2.6.23-1-686 but apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-686 wants to install 2.6.18 stuff, is that OK? |
| 22:01.49 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, oooh - car and home stero are MD :) (and cd at home, obviously) |
| 22:01.53 | dorje | steuner: Do you want me to go to another console and type 'lspci -v | grep -i eth' |
| 22:01.55 | jugglinx | Mantaar, will u suggest using cli? |
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| 22:02.13 | Daveman | ooh! |
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| 22:02.20 | Daveman | high-fives Schrodinger |
| 22:02.22 | Daveman | :D |
| 22:02.25 | SchrodingerSloth | :) |
| 22:02.28 | pmv | md? |
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| 22:02.31 | Daveman | Mini Disc |
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| 22:02.33 | pmv | ah |
| 22:02.35 | Mantaar | jugglinx: uhm. Well. I'm not using anything *besides* cli on my computers, but that's really a matter of taste... So if you want it to work with KDE, you should try to. |
| 22:02.37 | Daveman | :) |
| 22:02.46 | |seb| | Madd_Matt: thanks |
| 22:02.48 | SchrodingerSloth | oh, I meant I have managing directors ;p |
| 22:02.48 | Mantaar | strav: thanks, I'll look into it. |
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| 22:02.53 | bthornton | I'm trying to hook in a Windows XP box to my network via my Linux box which has two interfaces (one to the 'net, and the other directly connected to the Win host). I know it's possible to use NAT across different subnets to allow the Win host talk to the main network, but is it possible to put the Win host on the same subnet as the Linux host? |
| 22:03.02 | pmv | ahaha |
| 22:03.03 | bthornton | I can't bridge the interfaces on the Linux host because one of them is Wifi. |
| 22:03.12 | jugglinx | Mantaar, ok, thanks a lot :-D |
| 22:03.12 | SchrodingerSloth | cant beat a minidisc - you should see the treatment they get in my passenger footwell, and they still work |
| 22:03.20 | pmv | bthornton, you cannot bridge wifi? |
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| 22:03.25 | pmv | is this a linux thing? .. |
| 22:03.35 | adama | 'uname -r' shows 2.6.23-1-686 but 'apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-686' wants to install 2.6.18 stuff, is that OK? |
| 22:03.49 | SchrodingerSloth | pmv, you can bridge wifi |
| 22:03.49 | bthornton | pmv: apparently not; see: http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Net:Bridge#It_doesn.27t_work_with_my_Wireless_card.21 |
| 22:03.57 | pmv | huh? |
| 22:04.09 | pmv | bthornton, maybe it is a nic-specific issue |
| 22:04.22 | bthornton | could be |
| 22:04.27 | bthornton | I might try it just to be sure, but... |
| 22:04.43 | bthornton | since my Wifi connection is handled by NetworkManager, is it still possible to bridge? |
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| 22:04.53 | pmv | what is networkmanager? |
| 22:04.55 | pmv | a gnome thing? |
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| 22:05.08 | bthornton | uhhm.... <starts to sweat> |
| 22:05.13 | bthornton | yes... |
| 22:05.16 | strav | Mantaar, yep it's in libglib2.0-dev |
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| 22:05.22 | pmv | anyway, why cant you put the win host on the linux subnet? |
| 22:05.24 | Daveman | haha rut roh |
| 22:05.41 | pmv | should be fine |
| 22:05.46 | Mantaar | strav: Yeah, just found that out, thank you! :-) |
| 22:05.47 | bthornton | pmv: That's ultimately what I'm trying to do. |
| 22:05.56 | pmv | ah, you mean you are trying to find a way to do that |
| 22:06.03 | grand_gr3nt | adama : Did you change the source.list? If you got the kernel with a source.list, then change it and try to get headers, it may cause troubles |
| 22:06.07 | pmv | well bridging would work nicely |
| 22:06.08 | Daveman | Schrodinger, I'm seeing plethoras of threads and results similar to this, http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=44838 |
| 22:06.10 | pmv | and why not hat? |
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| 22:06.12 | Daveman | I think you called it, man :) |
| 22:06.14 | pmv | er |
| 22:06.15 | pmv | nat |
| 22:06.24 | bthornton | pmv: yeah, I basically want it to look like the Win host is plugged directly into the same "hub" that the Linux host is and have an IP on the same subnet |
| 22:06.31 | pmv | hm |
| 22:06.42 | pmv | no more space on the hub/switch? |
| 22:06.54 | pmv | or is there a reason you want them separated? |
| 22:06.56 | pmv | dmz or whatever |
| 22:07.02 | bthornton | pmv: The only issue is that there is no "hub"; the Linux host connects to the main 'net via Wifi, and the Windows host doesn't have a Wifi card. So I'm trying to use the Linux box as a gateway to the Wireless network |
| 22:07.12 | adama | grand_gr3nt: the kernel came with a custom-net-install CD |
| 22:07.14 | pmv | oh |
| 22:07.22 | pmv | well then NAT would easy |
| 22:07.39 | pmv | I would not bridge in this scenario |
| 22:07.43 | pmv | though it can be done |
| 22:07.43 | adama | sources.lst is all etch sources |
| 22:07.46 | strav | about openoffice (not that I'm a fan but... I just use it), why is there a version conflict in sid? |
| 22:07.54 | pmv | how were you thinking of doing it? |
| 22:07.55 | bthornton | {192.168.1.x} <--- wifi ---> [Linux Host: 192.168.1.2] <--- ethernet ---> [Windows Host: 192.168.1.3] |
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| 22:08.12 | pmv | and these are all on the same subnet? |
| 22:08.21 | bthornton | so I can NAT from the 192.168.1.x network to the 192.168.1.x network? |
| 22:08.22 | bthornton | yes |
| 22:08.30 | pmv | depends on your subnetting |
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| 22:08.38 | pmv | the 1.x is what, /24? |
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| 22:08.43 | bthornton | yeah |
| 22:08.51 | bthornton | everything is /24 |
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| 22:09.15 | pmv | put the non-wifi linux if and the windows box on 2.0/24 then |
| 22:09.16 | pmv | then nat |
| 22:09.32 | pmv | but both on 1.0/24 would be complicated |
| 22:09.37 | Tr0gd0r | on ubuntu apt-get install linux-rt to get the real time kernel, this doesnt work on debian. Is there a different command to do this? |
| 22:10.08 | pmv | Tr0gd0r, have not used rt myself, but it might just be called a different package |
| 22:10.18 | pmv | Tr0gd0r, apt-cache search <pkg> to see |
| 22:10.26 | streuner | abrotman: what happend to Nyle? |
| 22:10.40 | tarzeau | !seen Nyle |
| 22:10.40 | dpkg | nyle <n=stoned@unaffiliated/stoned> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15d 6h 36m 27s ago, saying: '!debian clone'. |
| 22:10.41 | bthornton | pmv: yeah. that will definitely work, I was just trying to avoid the routing issues that come with having 192.168.2.x talk to 192.168.1.x :/ |
| 22:11.09 | pmv | routing issues? |
| 22:11.13 | streuner | tarzeau: i saw just debstats... |
| 22:11.23 | Tr0gd0r | pmv apt-cache covers more than 1 screen, how can i scroll up? |
| 22:11.29 | pmv | Tr0gd0r, pipe to less |
| 22:11.29 | strav | he I wish to know is there a problem in that openoffice.org-core is of version 2.4.0~rc6-1 while openoffice.org-common is version 2.4.0-1 (writer and such are all rc)? |
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| 22:11.33 | pmv | Tr0gd0r, apt-cache search <pkg> | less |
| 22:11.33 | bthornton | well, say the Windows host at 192.168.2.3 wants to talk to the Samba server on 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 22:11.41 | dorje | steuner: 'lspci -v | grep -i eth' gives me 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel corp Unknown device 10a7 (rev 02) |
| 22:11.53 | pmv | bthornton, 1.1 is the linux box? |
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| 22:12.06 | ghis | I was following this guide, http://blog.madtech.cx/2006/12/08/debian-etch-libapache2-mod-php5-with-bundled-libgd-gdlib/ but i don't get any deb files... anyone know why? |
| 22:12.10 | pmv | so have samba listen on all interface then |
| 22:12.11 | bthornton | pmv: 1.2 is the host with multiple interfaces |
| 22:12.15 | ghis | i did configure, make, make installl |
| 22:12.19 | pmv | what is 1.1? |
| 22:12.20 | bthornton | 1.1 is just another host on the network that I might want to talk to |
| 22:12.22 | pmv | ah |
| 22:12.23 | pmv | I see |
| 22:12.33 | pmv | bthornton, that is fine |
| 22:12.57 | pmv | bthornton, add say 2.1 (linux if) as the default gateway on the windows box (say 2.2) |
| 22:13.09 | bthornton | okay |
| 22:13.09 | streuner | dorje: where did you download the driver (third-party) itself? |
| 22:13.10 | pmv | and the routing on the linux box should already be there |
| 22:13.29 | pmv | as long as the win box knows where to direct traffic it is fine |
| 22:13.31 | streuner | dorje: is that a laptop? |
| 22:13.32 | Tr0gd0r | pmv I suspect it might be in a different repo, do you have any suggestions as to which one? |
| 22:13.44 | pmv | Tr0gd0r, no idea mate. try google. |
| 22:13.48 | bthornton | pmv: one more thing: when I setup the linux interface, do I need to add a gateway to that interface? or just leave that blank? |
| 22:13.52 | dorje | streuner:'lspci -v | grep -i eth' reports: 2 devices: 1st is: 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel corp Unknown device 10a7 (rev 02) |
| 22:14.18 | pmv | bthornton, they do not have to be on the same network to communicate. how do you think your 192.168.0.0/16 laptop at home talks to the internet? |
| 22:14.26 | dorje | No it's a new xeon dual server gb ethernet |
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| 22:14.40 | dorje | streuner: No it's a new xeon dual server gb ethernet |
| 22:14.46 | pmv | bthornton, nah. no need. if it has ifs that go on the same target network it should know where to direct traffic. |
| 22:14.53 | streuner | dorje: ok, do you have another NIC handy? |
| 22:14.59 | abrotman | streuner: ask one of his friends .. i'm not one of them |
| 22:15.11 | abrotman | streuner: and you can tell me later :) |
| 22:15.13 | bthornton | pmv: thanks so much for the assitance! I'm going to try it out now |
| 22:15.13 | dorje | streuner: got driver from Intel site. It's for Debian |
| 22:15.14 | abrotman | goes |
| 22:15.14 | pmv | i.e. if your wifi nic is 1.2/0, it should already know (i.e. have a route) to the 1.0/24 network |
| 22:15.17 | pmv | bthornton, no prob |
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| 22:15.28 | dorje | streuner: No that's the problem. An no free slots |
| 22:15.29 | SchrodingerSloth | Daveman, sorry, was afk. it doesnt surprise me - for something under £200... |
| 22:15.46 | SchrodingerSloth | Anyway - I've got to jet everyone - places to be and all that... nn all |
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| 22:15.56 | dorje | streuner: And no free slots |
| 22:15.59 | pmv | drive safe an all |
| 22:16.07 | streuner | dorje: what's the URL? |
| 22:16.23 | streuner | abrotman: ok |
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| 22:17.52 | streuner | dorje: i have no idea about cross-compiling, the best thing would be, you install all packages to compile the driver on that box |
| 22:18.01 | dorje | streuner: latest driver url is http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=42302&package_id=237808 |
| 22:18.05 | pmv | out of curiousity, one can use the command line to add at least a default route on windows, right? what is the syntax? |
| 22:18.31 | jim | pmv: for windows? no idea |
| 22:18.39 | dorje | streuner: :o |
| 22:18.51 | pmv | it always pisses me off trying to change static network config on windows.. the damn config window takes too long |
| 22:19.12 | pmv | and on win98 you hafta restart the damn thing! |
| 22:19.16 | jim | so are you glad you're running also something else? |
| 22:19.23 | nkuttler | #windows |
| 22:19.27 | streuner | dorje: you need build-essential and linux-kernel-headers |
| 22:19.33 | pmv | nkuttler, haha, no thanks. I was just curious |
| 22:19.53 | dorje | streuner: Would you download full media as I do not have network untill I build the system |
| 22:19.55 | pmv | just wondering what they were thinking |
| 22:20.13 | jim | sounds like a pretty specific curiousity to me... why not satisfy it on #windows or your manual or soemthing? |
| 22:20.18 | Supaplex | pmv: you still ask 10 years later? |
| 22:20.44 | nkuttler | i think they were trying to launch that msn thing back then... whatever |
| 22:21.09 | pmv | Supaplex, even with today's implementation the network stack feels strangely inaccessible |
| 22:21.21 | dorje | streuner: Is build-essential gcc and linux-kernel-headers all part of install disk1 CD and DVD? |
| 22:21.23 | pmv | can you even assign addresses statically on the command line now? |
| 22:21.47 | streuner | dorje: e1000 module isnt available on your box? |
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| 22:22.05 | dondelelcaro | pmv: of course you can |
| 22:22.20 | pmv | dondelelcaro, really? how? |
| 22:22.32 | Supaplex | man ifconfig :) |
| 22:22.35 | dondelelcaro | pmv: using ifconfig or ip |
| 22:22.36 | pmv | lawwl |
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| 22:22.38 | dorje | streuner: I believe I require igb not e1000 |
| 22:22.38 | streuner | dorje: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 22:22.39 | pmv | read context |
| 22:22.41 | pmv | was talking about windows |
| 22:22.49 | Supaplex | no we're talking #debian |
| 22:22.55 | dondelelcaro | pmv: this is #debian, not #windows; We don't answer those sorts of questions... |
| 22:22.56 | Agiofws | hello |
| 22:22.57 | pmv | *sigh* |
| 22:22.58 | pmv | okay |
| 22:23.06 | Agiofws | can someone tell me what am i missing here |
| 22:23.08 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/ElB3qK27.html |
| 22:23.23 | pmv | not meaning to be rude, so I will explain. it was a rhetorical musing. |
| 22:23.26 | Agiofws | this script is complaining about something and is not working well |
| 22:23.36 | dondelelcaro | Agiofws: you're missing the actual error there |
| 22:23.36 | stew | Agiofws: what is the rest of the stacktrace? |
| 22:23.40 | Supaplex | Agiofws: the script? what script? |
| 22:23.59 | pmv | because I was telling the guy earlier back there to add a static route on his windows box |
| 22:24.00 | Supaplex | must be some tomcat widget |
| 22:24.02 | streuner | dorje: build-essential is on the first CD/DVD, so you have good chance that these packages there, but i doubt about linux-kernel-headers |
| 22:24.09 | pmv | and I realize I did not know how to do that on windows |
| 22:24.14 | pmv | (not that i care at this moment) |
| 22:24.18 | stew | pmv: wrong channel |
| 22:24.22 | pmv | (not that i care at this moment) |
| 22:24.33 | Agiofws | can someone tell me what am i missing here ? dondelelcaro stew Supaplex http://rafb.net/p/eBazUh13.html |
| 22:25.03 | streuner | dorje: do on that box "modinfo e1000" |
| 22:25.20 | stew | Agiofws: one woul dhave to look at DoneListServlet.java line 112 |
| 22:25.21 | Supaplex | Agiofws: can you tell us what you're trying to do first? we fail at mind reading school |
| 22:25.28 | dorje | streuner: hold on |
| 22:25.40 | streuner | goes in standby modus |
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| 22:26.25 | Daveman | beers Supaplex |
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| 22:26.34 | pmv | okay, now for some apropos debian talk. a lot of people often ask about this here, so where may one find a reference list of packages per release CD? |
| 22:26.44 | Agiofws | its a render farm stew Supaplex runing slaves on hosts but they are java oreinted and all of the sudden tha master or the slaves are not rendering anything i suspect its something to do with fking java |
| 22:26.45 | stew | pmv: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 22:26.50 | pmv | thanks |
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| 22:26.56 | Agiofws | DoneListServlet.java line 112 |
| 22:27.08 | Agiofws | ? |
| 22:27.31 | pmv | Agiofws, are you using some kind of text justifying irc client? |
| 22:27.33 | Supaplex | no idea Agiofws. I'm java clueless, and I think I'd like to keep it that way |
| 22:27.35 | dorje | streuner: sh: modinfo no found |
| 22:27.55 | Agiofws | me too |
| 22:27.57 | Agiofws | pmv, ? |
| 22:27.59 | stew | Agiofws: that is the approximate location of the bug in the java code. without seeing the code there is no way we'd be able to tell you what is wrong |
| 22:27.59 | dondelelcaro | Agiofws: yeah, someone in ##java probably will be able to help you more than I can |
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| 22:28.17 | Agiofws | ok |
| 22:28.20 | Agiofws | wait |
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| 22:28.54 | dorje | streuner: I am only running the installer so far |
| 22:29.17 | streuner | dorje: so just finish that process now |
| 22:29.37 | ghis | Is there a way to get php5-gd bundle version in debian? |
| 22:29.44 | Agiofws | stew, what code the java code ? |
| 22:29.47 | Agiofws | hm... |
| 22:29.58 | streuner | module-init-tools: /sbin/modinfo |
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| 22:30.23 | davidL | I can't boot into a fresh install of Etch, GRUB doesn't load, I only get the error message "Bad PBR sig" after POST, any ideas on what this means? |
| 22:30.25 | pmv | ghis, what do you mean by bundle version? |
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| 22:31.02 | ghis | pmv, the version included in stable php5 doesn't have all the functions that GD contains |
| 22:31.21 | pmv | ghis, apt-cache search for gd stuff |
| 22:31.38 | pmv | if it aint there you might hafta get it manually |
| 22:31.49 | ghis | php5-gd is there |
| 22:31.51 | ghis | http://se2.php.net/imagerotate |
| 22:31.53 | streuner | dorje: module-init-tools provides modinfo, you should have that |
| 22:31.59 | ghis | " Note: This function is only available if PHP is compiled with the bundled version of the GD library." |
| 22:32.01 | stew | Agiofws: yes, the java code |
| 22:32.35 | ghis | I don't know why debian doesn't use the bundled version? |
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| 22:33.02 | ghis | ubuntu have the same problem |
| 22:33.32 | bthornton | pmv: it worked great! thanks again |
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| 22:34.14 | ghis | pmv, i found this guide, http://blog.madtech.cx/2006/12/08/debian-etch-libapache2-mod-php5-with-bundled-libgd-gdlib/ |
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| 22:34.19 | pmv | bthornton, no prob |
| 22:34.23 | ghis | but i don't get any .deb files |
| 22:34.32 | gonzaloaf | hi, why does my system change the time every time it boots? |
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| 22:34.54 | ghis | gonzaloaf, checkupt ntpdupdate |
| 22:34.57 | streuner | ntpdate installed? |
| 22:34.59 | dorje | streuner: I am off to the machine will try and install w/o the nic and then bring the nic to life after i get the baseline going. |
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| 22:35.26 | stew | ghis: what command from that howto did you expect to create the .debs? |
| 22:35.35 | pmv | ghis, this guy seems to have rolled his own debs |
| 22:35.44 | stew | ghis: did any of the commands give you an error? |
| 22:35.49 | pmv | ghis, either ask for the debs or do as he suggests |
| 22:35.49 | gonzaloaf | ghis, noup |
| 22:36.06 | gonzaloaf | ghis, but it wasnt installed and worked well before |
| 22:36.11 | ghis | stew, i did like it said, configure, make, make install... and that it says that i should get alot of *.deb files.. but i don't get any |
| 22:36.15 | pmv | gonzaloaf, check your bios clock settings too |
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| 22:36.23 | gonzaloaf | pmv, it is ok |
| 22:36.30 | stew | ghis: no, you shoudl not run any of those 3 commands |
| 22:36.35 | deadbeef | hi there, excuseme, i just "aptitude upgrade"'d lenny and gdm at boot stopped working |
| 22:36.43 | deadbeef | it seems like i'm missing the command start_daemon |
| 22:36.47 | pmv | ghis, at which point does it stop? |
| 22:36.48 | ghis | stew, really? what should i run with src code? |
| 22:36.48 | stew | ghis: that howto doesn't tell you to run those commands |
| 22:36.56 | stew | ghis: just follow the howto |
| 22:36.56 | deadbeef | can anyone can a "whereis start_daemon" for me pls ? |
| 22:37.09 | deadbeef | *do a |
| 22:37.14 | pmv | stew, why do you have to install from source? |
| 22:37.21 | pmv | I do not see him saying that |
| 22:37.22 | ghis | stew, "actually go through the configure and make process. Drink coffee (or tea, a nice cup of redbush, yes, thatÂ’ll do nicely)" |
| 22:37.38 | pmv | he says install? |
| 22:37.49 | stew | ghis: yes, that is what would happen if you run the command on that line |
| 22:37.49 | pmv | he says recompile the php packaging |
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| 22:38.05 | ghis | pmv, how do i do that? |
| 22:38.10 | byte_slave | hello |
| 22:38.28 | ghis | i have change the gd- line inside debian/rules |
| 22:38.36 | stew | ghis: "debian/rules binary # actually go through the configure and..." |
| 22:38.42 | stew | ghis: that is a command (with a coment) |
| 22:38.52 | ghis | oh |
| 22:38.55 | thechef | do you have an idea what i could examine or what the cause could be for a non-bridging openvpn ethernet to not work with broadcasts? |
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| 22:39.07 | ghis | stew, i didn't get that |
| 22:39.11 | pmv | :) |
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| 22:39.51 | ghis | stew, running "debian/rules binary" now.. will it get me the deb files? |
| 22:39.53 | Shadow_mil | Where are devel lib files keeped? |
| 22:40.06 | stew | ghis: hold up a second |
| 22:40.16 | byte_slave | i had to change my hardware, specificaly the motherboard, and i've a full installation of debian but for the original motherboard, i have to all the installation steps from the beginning, or i just have to recompile the kernel? |
| 22:40.19 | stew | ghis: yes, but there is somehting else you should do first. hit ctrl-c if you've started that |
| 22:40.24 | nkuttler | Shadow_mil: apt-cache search lib dev ? |
| 22:40.32 | ghis | stew, ok! |
| 22:41.13 | ghis | stew, i have changed the gd line inside debian/rules if that's what you ment? |
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| 22:41.25 | stew | ghis: run "dch --nmu" from the command line, which will dump you into an editor editing the changelog. the changelog is how it determines what version it is building. it will add a changelog entry with a version number ending in ".1" or something. make that be ".1+gd" or something. |
| 22:41.40 | Shadow_mil | nkuttler, maybe you can help me, I wanna start learning qt4 libs, I installed libqt4-dev, but it can't find the header files when I try to install. |
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| 22:41.56 | Shadow_mil | when I try to compile* |
| 22:41.59 | nkuttler | Shadow_mil: dpkg -L package ? |
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| 22:42.07 | stew | ghis: you want to differentiate the version you are building as being different than the version you started with, so that dpkg knows this is a new version. then after you install it, you can tell apt to 'hold' this version, to prevent a new version from blowing away your changed version |
| 22:42.31 | ghis | stew, hmm ok |
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| 22:43.07 | ghis | stew, how come the howto doesn't do any of this? |
| 22:43.08 | Shadow_mil | nkuttler, ok that says its installed |
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| 22:43.17 | Shadow_mil | nkuttler, why can't it path the libs? |
| 22:43.20 | stew | ghis: becuase the guy that wrote the howto doesn't know debian as well as i do |
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| 22:43.52 | nkuttler | Shadow_mil: L! not l! |
| 22:44.01 | qwazz | do nvidia cards work OOTB with the latest debian or does it require some manual configuration? All I get is a "no devices found" or a "can't load nvidia module" error when i startx |
| 22:44.10 | Shadow_mil | nkuttler, I DID! |
| 22:44.31 | nkuttler | Shadow_mil: that gives you a list of all files in a package... |
| 22:44.31 | poolio | Hello, I'm trying to install a custom kernel. I downloaded the kernel source and copied the default /boot/config but I'm getting a kernel panic. Any ideas? The two configs are the same, I ran make oldconfig in the kernel source directory with the old config. |
| 22:44.36 | ghis | stew, ok cool, i will try that |
| 22:44.41 | Shadow_mil | nkuttler, ok |
| 22:44.53 | pmv | stew heh :) |
| 22:45.04 | Shadow_mil | nkuttler, why does #include <headername> says "WTF?" its installed. |
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| 22:45.26 | nkuttler | poolio: /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:45.34 | nkuttler | Shadow_mil: #debian-kde i guess |
| 22:45.53 | pmv | Shadow_mil, have you checked your include paths? |
| 22:45.54 | ghis | stew, -bash: dch: command not found |
| 22:45.57 | stew | ghis: it will probably give you a version number like 5.2.0-8.1+etch10 at the top, i'd recommend "5.2.0-8.1+etch10+gd": or something. the important thing is that you are distingusing your version of the package from the debian version |
| 22:46.00 | Shadow_mil | nkuttler, I think its a problem with the include oaths |
| 22:46.02 | pmv | Shadow_mil, are you sure the headers are there? |
| 22:46.02 | stew | ghis: aptitude install devscripts |
| 22:46.02 | Shadow_mil | paths* |
| 22:46.11 | Shadow_mil | pmv, yes |
| 22:46.12 | pmv | Shadow_mil, make sure the header exists |
| 22:46.19 | poolio | nkuttler: Thanks. I was reading through that guide, built the kernel with make-kpkg kernel_image, installed the .deb, and am now getting the kernel panic |
| 22:46.22 | nkuttler | oh, that simple actually |
| 22:46.23 | pmv | show the exact -L you are doing |
| 22:46.54 | nkuttler | poolio: which kernel panic? you probably messed the kernel config |
| 22:47.24 | qwazz | do nvidia cards work OOTB with the latest debian or does it require some manual configuration? All I get is a "no devices found" or a "can't load nvidia module" error when i startx |
| 22:47.27 | ghis | stew, what exaclty should I edit inside the changelog? |
| 22:47.34 | poolio | I did not. It's clean. The only thing is I'm using a vanilla kernel from kernel.org instead of the debian sources kernel. |
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| 22:47.47 | poolio | nkuttler: something like the VFS unable to mount root |
| 22:47.52 | nkuttler | poolio: ... |
| 22:47.55 | poolio | But it's the same config...it should have all the proper support |
| 22:48.05 | stew | ghis: the version number at the top. it will say "Non maintainer upload" by defualt, you could, if you like, change that to "added gd" or whatever, but probably nobody is ever going to look |
| 22:48.20 | Shadow_mil | pmv, /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/QApplication exist. But I still get a: main.cpp:1:24: error: QApplication: No such file or directory on compile |
| 22:48.31 | poolio | nkuttler: Is it that the debian sources have patches that fix things, or is there something special I need to do? |
| 22:48.39 | poolio | nkuttler: The guide said it was the same steps as with the debian sources... |
| 22:48.42 | nkuttler | poolio: you're missing something like... root filesystem, hdd controller driver, chipset... whatever |
| 22:48.46 | ghis | stew, inside the comment? |
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| 22:49.02 | nkuttler | poolio: make menuconfig, chose the things you need |
| 22:49.22 | poolio | nkuttler: Well, if I'm using the same config from the working kernel that should have all the options I need |
| 22:49.30 | nkuttler | poolio: doing a lsmod with a working debian kernel helbs |
| 22:49.32 | PyroticShadow | Alright as the story goes, I was updating to "SID" from "LENNY" so I changed my sources.list and did the update, did the upgrade, and now onto the dist-upgrade. It failed somewhere in the middle of all this. Here is the output. |
| 22:49.34 | poolio | Should I try building one with intrd? |
| 22:49.37 | ghis | stew, or before the comment where it says php5 (5.2.0-8+etch10.1) stable-security; urgency=low |
| 22:49.39 | nkuttler | poolio: debian kernels use a initramfs |
| 22:49.41 | infernal_jesus | poolio: you can just copy the old .config |
| 22:49.46 | poolio | infernal_jesus: That's what I did |
| 22:49.49 | PyroticShadow | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. |
| 22:49.50 | PyroticShadow | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:49.50 | PyroticShadow | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.52 | nkuttler | !beer poolio |
| 22:49.52 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Spaten Optimator for poolio |
| 22:49.52 | Shadow_mil | pmv, do I need to update the lib or something? |
| 22:50.04 | PyroticShadow | I tried apt-get -f install, no such luck. |
| 22:50.05 | PyroticShadow | any ideas? |
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| 22:50.45 | poolio | I copied the old config in /boot --> .config in the source directory. Built with make-kpkg |
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| 22:51.37 | qwazz | can someone tell me in which repository nvidia-glx is located? |
| 22:51.53 | stew | ghis: the only line you need to edit is the first line of the file |
| 22:51.56 | infernal_jesus | poolio: or you could've done make oldconfig |
| 22:52.01 | nkuttler | poolio: initrd... initrd... |
| 22:52.03 | infernal_jesus | but as long as it works :) |
| 22:52.16 | pmv | Shadow_mil, the .h or .hpp you are including is there? |
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| 22:52.26 | ghis | stew, really doesn't matter what i add to it? |
| 22:52.34 | ghis | stew, just to fool apt-get ? |
| 22:52.35 | mbroeker | Shadow_mil, are you sure that you are using a g++ compiler and not gcc? |
| 22:52.37 | pmv | what is line 24? |
| 22:52.45 | Shadow_mil | pmv, its not a .h file, it has no extension (as with most C++ libs) |
| 22:52.54 | pmv | ah I see |
| 22:53.01 | Shadow_mil | mbroeker, yes |
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| 22:53.02 | pmv | and line 24 is? |
| 22:53.03 | stew | ghis: if it now says "5.2.0-8+etch10.1" that is fine, just save the file |
| 22:53.29 | stew | ghis: if it were me, i'd make it "5.2.0-8+etch10.1+gd" or something |
| 22:53.29 | ghis | ok |
| 22:53.35 | ghis | ah ok |
| 22:54.05 | ghis | stew, and now i could run the binary thing? |
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| 22:54.47 | stew | ghis: yes |
| 22:55.07 | Shadow_mil | pmv, I was able to fix it by changing it to: #include <qt4/QtGui/QApplication>, but now... the header file can't find includes it needs |
| 22:55.13 | ghis | stew, thanks alot.. |
| 22:55.21 | pmv | Shadow_mil, what was it before? |
| 22:55.32 | stew | ghis: and btw, this isn't really to "foo apt-get" this is to inform apt-get :) you aren't telling apt that this is a new version of php, you are telling it that this is a new revision of the packaging of php |
| 22:55.32 | pmv | just QApplication? |
| 22:55.34 | Shadow_mil | just #include <QApplication> |
| 22:55.46 | Shadow_mil | Now I get a bunch of errors like: /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/qapplication.h:27:37: error: QtCore/qcoreapplication.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:55.47 | pmv | should work okay if your -L is correct |
| 22:56.02 | nkuttler | Shadow_mil: is the package you are trying to build already in debian? |
| 22:56.03 | pmv | yeah, this will happen, because of course QApplication also needs its own includes |
| 22:56.14 | pmv | this sounds like job for #c++ |
| 22:56.52 | stew | ok, its beer o'clock. happy friday debianites! |
| 22:56.53 | pmv | Shadow_mil, are you sure you are not supposed to compile with pkg-config or something |
| 22:57.01 | w3rd_ | hello, im trying to find out if my system mount and configure the 2 drives i have in them as a raid 1 config, could some one review my pastbin to see if i was successful? http://rafb.net/p/zRcaAE71.html |
| 22:57.02 | pmv | Shadow_mil, because this sounds unnecesasrily hairy |
| 22:57.02 | nkuttler | !beer stew |
| 22:57.02 | dpkg | pours a quart of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for stew |
| 22:57.05 | ghis | stew, dch --nmu <-- is a program to change the changelog of src codes? |
| 22:57.25 | stew | haha i'm actually going out to buy dogfishhead 60 minute right this minute |
| 22:57.25 | ghis | stew, happy beer'ing.. 5th going down :) |
| 22:57.27 | mbroeker | Shadow_mil, http://rafb.net/p/AtJnbj69.html you need these includes i think |
| 22:57.29 | Shadow_mil | pmv, I am writing my own application. |
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| 22:57.46 | pmv | Shadow_mil, but for the QT stuff |
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| 22:57.51 | Komunista | hallo |
| 22:57.53 | pmv | Shadow_mil, I can see that |
| 22:58.12 | stew | ghis: "dch" is. "--nmu" means that this is a "non-maintainer-upload" which is going to place the new version somewhere between this version from debian and the next version of debian |
| 22:58.21 | pmv | Shadow_mil, but even when I write my own gtk stuff, I just use the pkg-config linking metadata |
| 22:58.23 | Komunista | can somebody help my with RTL 8211B? under Debian Etch? |
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| 22:58.33 | poolio | nkuttler: aha, initrd :) |
| 22:58.40 | poolio | nkuttler: is there a reason for that |
| 22:58.44 | byte_slave | everytime a change some hardware piece such as a NIC, graphic card, Memory show i recompile kernel? |
| 22:58.47 | ghis | stew, cool thanks again |
| 22:58.59 | ghis | i will try to remember that |
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| 22:59.07 | qwazz | another question...please help me out...when i try to apt-get update i get an error "dynamic mmap ran out of room", "...package lists could not be parsed or opened..." |
| 22:59.08 | MuSqUiT | Hola |
| 22:59.10 | Shadow_mil | mbroeker, yes, I have that |
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| 22:59.26 | nkuttler | poolio: yes |
| 22:59.29 | Shadow_mil | Oh... I see the problem |
| 22:59.37 | Shadow_mil | qmake is making it for qt3 |
| 22:59.39 | poolio | nkuttler: thanks |
| 22:59.43 | pmv | Shadow_mil, again, are you sure the QT stuff does not have a read pkg-config entry? |
| 22:59.50 | nkuttler | poolio: np |
| 22:59.54 | stew | qwazz: /msg dpkg mmap |
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| 23:00.06 | WiQert | 1st |
| 23:00.33 | Shadow_mil | ok I got it fixed |
| 23:00.52 | pmv | so what was it? |
| 23:01.01 | qwazz | stew: i don't follow..."need an action option" |
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| 23:01.22 | qwazz | stew: dpkg -i mmap? |
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| 23:01.52 | PyroticShadow | thanks for the help, not. |
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| 23:03.14 | Shadow_mil | pmv, qmake was linked to qmake-qt3, I changed to link to qmake-qt4 |
| 23:03.58 | infernal_jesus | PyroticShadow> thanks for the help, not. |
| 23:04.09 | infernal_jesus | sucks when people don't want to try and figure it out by reading |
| 23:04.18 | infernal_jesus | but just want others to solve their problems |
| 23:04.20 | Shadow_mil | pmv, yeah, I don't even need to do #include <qt4/QtGui...> now |
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| 23:04.52 | Shadow_mil | Thanks for the help. |
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| 23:04.58 | nkuttler | !comfort infernal_jesus |
| 23:04.58 | dpkg | There, there, infernal_jesus. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:05.22 | qwazz | stew: cat >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d.70debconf APT::Cache-Limit "n"; |
| 23:05.34 | infernal_jesus | lol thanks nkuttler. There's nothing more comforting than a bot telling me everything's gonna be ok :P |
| 23:05.36 | qwazz | is that's what you meant by dpkg mmap |
| 23:05.48 | infernal_jesus | nkuttler: my alcohol problem is solved! :D :P |
| 23:06.09 | infernal_jesus | the counselor called it a problem, I don't really think it is :P |
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| 23:07.43 | qwazz | and that did it...xstarted |
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| 23:08.06 | qwazz | see...the power of ignoring me forced me to do my own homework...and figure it out on my own. :) |
| 23:08.09 | qwazz | you guys rock! |
| 23:08.23 | victo- | is it possible to make nano highlight the current line my cursor is on? Would help greatly with cutting/pasting |
| 23:08.55 | qwazz | now...I can withhold this new found knowledge from future inquisitors |
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| 23:09.00 | infernal_jesus | qwazz: if that's what it takes, then go ask for help in #idle next time :D |
| 23:09.07 | qwazz | hehe |
| 23:09.11 | nkuttler | infernal_jesus: cheers XD |
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| 23:09.38 | qwazz | well...take care |
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| 23:12.46 | infernal_jesus | Does anyone else find it annoying in debian 4.0 that root cannot login from the initial screen after boot? |
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| 23:14.14 | nkuttler | infernal_jesus: works for me. ubuntu? |
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| 23:14.53 | stew | infernal_jesus: root can login from the initial screen after boot |
| 23:14.58 | Agiofws | hey guys |
| 23:14.59 | infernal_jesus | debian |
| 23:15.13 | nkuttler | hm, maybe x? that would be a feature. |
| 23:15.13 | infernal_jesus | today I installed debian 4.0 in a virtual machine, tried to login as root |
| 23:15.17 | Agiofws | apt-get install nfs ---->http://rafb.net/p/z00ITS88.html ? |
| 23:15.22 | infernal_jesus | System Adminstrator cannot login |
| 23:15.27 | infernal_jesus | yeah, must be X |
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| 23:16.09 | stew | Agiofws: show us the output of "bash -x /etc/init.d/nfs-common start" |
| 23:16.19 | infernal_jesus | that is the first time in probably a year I've encountered that login screen though, all my interactions with my debian are through putty :P |
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| 23:16.42 | paul__ | yay, i am officially ubuntu free |
| 23:16.50 | stew | infernal_jesus: yes, if you are using gnome and therefore gdm, it would prevent root logins by default. but you can login to /dev/tty1 (by hitting ctrl-alt-f1) |
| 23:16.52 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# /etc/init.d/nfs-common start |
| 23:16.52 | Agiofws | Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! |
| 23:16.59 | stew | Agiofws: show us the output of "bash -x /etc/init.d/nfs-common start" |
| 23:17.14 | infernal_jesus | stew: oh so it's to do with gdm... thanks :) |
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| 23:17.33 | stew | infernal_jesus: and logging into X as root is not a good idea anyway |
| 23:17.43 | Agiofws | stew, ixus:/home/agiofws# bash -x /etc/init.d/nfs-common start 2>&1 | paste |
| 23:17.43 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/Ds88GK59.html |
| 23:17.45 | infernal_jesus | stew: why? :P |
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| 23:19.53 | stew | Agiofws: so its a problem starting rpc.statd... is rpc.statd already running perhaps? |
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| 23:20.25 | simonrvn | infernal_jesus: large setuid binary running, amongst other reasons |
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| 23:21.02 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# ps aux | grep rpc |
| 23:21.02 | Agiofws | root 27560 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 01:18 0:00 [rpciod/0] |
| 23:21.02 | Agiofws | root 27561 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 01:18 0:00 [rpciod/1] |
| 23:21.04 | stew | anytime you are doing something with more privileges than needed, its more dangerous than needed |
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| 23:21.22 | stew | Agiofws: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:21.34 | simonrvn | stew: exactly |
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| 23:23.03 | Agiofws | stew, lenny |
| 23:23.17 | simonrvn | stew: how did you get to be so smart? ;) |
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| 23:24.20 | redlizard | where can i find information on how "config" scripts in deb packages are called? |
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| 23:24.44 | redlizard | the debian policy manual only contains proper information on preinst, postinst, prerm, postrm scripts |
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| 23:25.18 | stew | Agiofws: check the bts? |
| 23:25.27 | stew | simonrvn: by spending too much time in here :) |
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| 23:25.35 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 23:26.11 | nkuttler | redlizard: which config scripts? |
| 23:26.21 | simonrvn | same thing happened to me actually... learned (and still do) a lot in here |
| 23:26.21 | Tramp | hmm. statd fails to start, if the portmapper is not running, I guess - where does the script start portmap? |
| 23:26.37 | simonrvn | portmap |
| 23:26.42 | redlizard | nkuttler: DEBIAN/config |
| 23:26.48 | simonrvn | statd won't touch it |
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| 23:28.24 | lymeca | I want to download a package and its dependencies but not install/unpack |
| 23:28.31 | nkuttler | redlizard: no idea what you're talking about |
| 23:28.32 | lymeca | I see apt-get -d but how do I use it? |
| 23:28.41 | lymeca | apt-get -d install complains I hjave the package installed already |
| 23:28.48 | lymeca | which is true but I want the .deb |
| 23:28.51 | Tramp | I'm talking about the postinst of his nfs-kernel-server. It starts nfs-common but not portmap, as far as I see.. |
| 23:29.04 | simonrvn | reinstall it, with -d it'll just download it |
| 23:29.17 | lymeca | simonrvn: reinstall how? |
| 23:29.34 | simonrvn | Tramp: oh i see.. it assumes portmap is running IIRC |
| 23:29.35 | lymeca | remove it first? |
| 23:29.41 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:29.45 | nkuttler | lymeca: --reinstall, man apt-get |
| 23:29.54 | Tramp | simonrvn: obviously. So it's a bug in the postinst, I presume. |
| 23:30.19 | simonrvn | i'd say it was yeh... at least should be a check if it's running |
| 23:30.26 | Tramp | Agiofws: start portmap by hand, then retry. |
| 23:30.26 | simonrvn | there should |
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| 23:33.13 | redlizard | where can i find the specification of .deb packages? The debian policy manual doesn't contain much information |
| 23:33.52 | nkuttler | redlizard: try the new maintainer guide |
| 23:33.56 | streuner | !nm |
| 23:33.56 | dpkg | nm is probably New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>. |
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| 23:34.06 | simonrvn | nmg has that info... |
| 23:34.07 | streuner | !maint-guide |
| 23:34.07 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
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| 23:34.17 | freudalis | hidiho |
| 23:34.34 | streuner | holladiehoe |
| 23:36.10 | redlizard | the maint-guide still doesn't specify config scripts |
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| 23:36.34 | streuner | !nmg |
| 23:36.34 | dpkg | methinks nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/, or ask me about <mentors> and <mg> |
| 23:36.41 | rootard | Does anyone in here use the bind9 package? |
| 23:36.46 | stew | rootard: many people |
| 23:37.00 | rootard | how abut anyone that uses IPv6 at the same time? |
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| 23:37.52 | stew | ping6s ::1 while running nslookup :P |
| 23:38.21 | rootard | I used to force the daemon to listen on IPv4 (-4) interfaces only but I can't get named to listen on any IPv6 interface for port 53 |
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| 23:39.23 | mecca_ | Do you have "listen-on-v6 { any; };" defined in named.conf? |
| 23:40.23 | rootard | ... checking |
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| 23:41.43 | redlizard | streuner: i can't find anything in there about DEBIAN/config |
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| 23:42.06 | freudalis | is trying to install debian on a prehistoric nec notebook with 128 mb ram & 100 mhz or something. and needs *help* |
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| 23:42.22 | streuner | freudalis: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 23:42.31 | rootard | ugh, looks like an included config file was commented out. That in turn "removed" the ipv6 line. |
| 23:42.32 | streuner | you might have luck and its mention there |
| 23:42.39 | rootard | hangs head in shame |
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| 23:42.50 | rootard | stew/mecca_: thanks |
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| 23:42.58 | streuner | 100 Mhz is kinda pain in the ass |
| 23:43.11 | streuner | nowadays |
| 23:43.20 | simonrvn | kinda? :) |
| 23:43.22 | mecca_ | rootard, :) |
| 23:43.27 | streuner | simonrvn: hehe |
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| 23:44.14 | streuner | well, 2.4.x kernel and not using DE's might help |
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| 23:44.38 | streuner | and not using modern browsers |
| 23:44.43 | freudalis | streuner: thx. but my advise was only to warn you, that i'm going to ask here if i will be in perplexity. :D |
| 23:44.49 | simonrvn | yeh.. use something real light |
| 23:45.05 | eriktdebi | !tell streuner leet |
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| 23:45.16 | streuner | 128 MB RAM isnt that bad, but 100 Mhz CPU is hard |
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| 23:45.50 | lunaphyte | if i were to install lenny beta 1, and configure my sources to track testing - if i regularly (e.g. weekly, whatever) updated with dist-upgrade, once lenny becomes stable, would my system become diverged from the "new" testing? |
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| 23:46.05 | lunaphyte | i'm not sure if i asked that well... |
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| 23:46.17 | freudalis | streuner: my thinkpad has sad goodbye. :( |
| 23:46.18 | themill | lunaphyte: you probably want to track "lenny" not "testing" |
| 23:46.19 | paul__ | hehe...libbobs |
| 23:46.23 | paul__ | liboobs |
| 23:46.28 | freudalis | *said |
| 23:46.48 | Decepticn | hi i just installed a geforce fx 5500, and as soon as my computer tries to start gdm, i get a message "failed to start the X server. it is liekly that it is not set up correctly. would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem? yes/no" |
| 23:46.50 | freudalis | lalala. have to learn english soon. |
| 23:46.59 | lunaphyte | i guess i'd like to better understand the nuances of what happens to testing when it's time for a release. |
| 23:47.04 | paul__ | Decepticn: and did you choose yes? |
| 23:47.14 | Decepticn | yes i did |
| 23:47.14 | streuner | Decepticn: use "nv", done |
| 23:47.33 | Decepticn | at the end it says "fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 23:47.43 | paul__ | Decepticn: change the line in xorg.conf to say "nv" not "nvidia" |
| 23:47.52 | Decepticn | ok will do |
| 23:47.53 | Decepticn | one sec |
| 23:48.20 | lunaphyte | does testing continue to truly flow on indefinitely even as stable releases come and go, or is it a bit more disjointed? |
| 23:48.42 | Maulkin | !freeze |
| 23:48.42 | dpkg | hmm... freeze is when we put the testing version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable' |
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| 23:48.48 | themill | lunaphyte: If you are tracking lenny, then the rate of package change will just drop to essentially zero once lenny becomes stable. If you were to instead track "testing", then you would end up tracking the as yet unnamed lenny+1 and all hell tends to break loose in "testing" just after a release happens. |
| 23:49.45 | Decepticn | does it matter if its saying "(EE) no devices detected" in the log right before the "fatal server error: no screens found" line |
| 23:49.55 | streuner | sure |
| 23:50.06 | streuner | EE is error, WW is warning |
| 23:50.09 | paul__ | Decepticn: did you change that line? |
| 23:50.16 | Decepticn | i am changing it |
| 23:50.55 | Decepticn | i dont see a 'nvidia' inside xorg.conf |
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| 23:51.21 | Decepticn | i had no vidoe card before hand (i think it was using some intel integrated video before) this is a desktop |
| 23:52.16 | Decepticn | section-> device -> identifier = "intel corporation 82815 cgc chipset graphics controller |
| 23:52.25 | Decepticn | do i need to change that? |
| 23:52.34 | streuner | Decepticn: lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 23:52.46 | streuner | 2 lines are ok here |
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| 23:54.35 | Decepticn | it says "vga compatile controller: nViadia corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] {rev a1{ (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 23:54.57 | streuner | so the onboard-chip is disabled |
| 23:54.58 | Decepticn | sorry im on a nother computer so i have to type it up , instead of pasting it |
| 23:55.16 | Decepticn | yes i think so streuner , because when i tried plugging my monitor there in the onbooard video output, nothing came up |
| 23:55.32 | Decepticn | streuner: i had to plug into the geforce fx 5500 video output to see a screen |
| 23:55.47 | streuner | !drxx Decepticn |
| 23:55.48 | dpkg | Decepticn: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 23:56.01 | Decepticn | thank you |
| 23:56.06 | Decepticn | i will try that now |
| 23:56.08 | streuner | and choose "nv" and low values for resolution and bpp |
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| 23:56.33 | Decepticn | bpp is black panther party? |
| 23:56.36 | Decepticn | :/ |
| 23:56.37 | Decepticn | what is bpp |
| 23:56.55 | amphi | colour depth |
| 23:57.03 | streuner | !bpp |
| 23:57.03 | dpkg | streuner: Insert "DefaultColorDepth 16" into /etc/X11/XF86Config for 16bpp. or man XF86Config to find out where to put it, heh.. Bits Per Pixel |
| 23:57.04 | Decepticn | haha ok :) will do |
| 23:57.07 | amphi | (bits per pizel) |
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| 23:57.23 | Adremelech | can someone help me with my apache2 on debian lenny? |
| 23:57.38 | Adremelech | nodetwo:~# apache2 -k start |
| 23:57.38 | Adremelech | apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 23:57.43 | Adremelech | im getting this error :< |
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| 23:59.21 | xdr | what do I need to install to be able to read another compus console over serial port? |
